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[01-Oct-2010 08:57:55] <ericenns_> good morning
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[01-Oct-2010 09:01:08] <Simon4> afternoon
[01-Oct-2010 09:23:07] <Parabola> good morning
[01-Oct-2010 09:27:56] <rmatte> ok, so maybe someone in here who has more net-snmp experience than me can explain how one would go about limiting which filesystems net-snmp reports]
[01-Oct-2010 09:28:17] <ericenns> morning
[01-Oct-2010 09:28:20] <rmatte> I'm trying to filter out auto-mount shares on some solaris servers because it's totally screwing up monitoring
[01-Oct-2010 09:28:23] <rmatte> good morning
[01-Oct-2010 09:28:46] <rmatte> I've tried "disk" and "ignoredisk" options, they have zero effect
[01-Oct-2010 09:29:18] <pokui> rmatte: "disk"
[01-Oct-2010 09:29:19] <pokui> oh.
[01-Oct-2010 09:29:31] <rmatte> yeh, I've tried that, it's useless
[01-Oct-2010 09:29:56] <rmatte> for example, right now I have an ISO mounted on a virtual cd drive on the vm at /mnt/cdrom
[01-Oct-2010 09:29:59] <rmatte> and snmp is reporting it
[01-Oct-2010 09:30:07] <rmatte> if I add: disk / to the config
[01-Oct-2010 09:30:10] <rmatte> and restart net-snmp
[01-Oct-2010 09:30:12] <fragfutter> rmatte: it should actually work with ignoredisk but you need to specify the device
[01-Oct-2010 09:30:21] <rmatte> /mnt/cdrom is still shown
[01-Oct-2010 09:30:32] <rmatte> If I do "ignoredisk /dev/sr0"
[01-Oct-2010 09:30:36] <rmatte> It's still shown
[01-Oct-2010 09:30:38] <fragfutter> rmatte: ignoredisk /dev/hd*
[01-Oct-2010 09:31:00] <rmatte> fragfutter: well, I'd imagine ignoredisk /dev/sr0 should work, no?
[01-Oct-2010 09:31:12] <rmatte> which it doesn't
[01-Oct-2010 09:31:45] <fragfutter> rmatte: it should
[01-Oct-2010 09:32:00] <rmatte> yeh, it
[01-Oct-2010 09:32:02] <rmatte> it's not
[01-Oct-2010 09:32:08] * rmatte bangs head on desk
[01-Oct-2010 09:32:31] <rmatte> This stupid monitoring issue has been plaguing me for 2 months now, I just want to get it fixed and forget about it
[01-Oct-2010 09:32:39] * fragfutter will test
[01-Oct-2010 09:32:51] <rmatte> If Zenoss monitored based on disk names instead of disk index I wouldn't be having this problem
[01-Oct-2010 09:33:16] <rmatte> I might have to write up some fancy transform that automatically updates the indexes or something
[01-Oct-2010 09:33:35] <fragfutter> rmatte: the idea with monitoring by name instead of snmp id is good proposal
[01-Oct-2010 09:33:38] <pokui> rmatte: so on solaris when you mount an iso, what does it show up as? /path/to/iso or /dev/loop or something else?
[01-Oct-2010 09:33:51] <pokui> i.e in the "device" column
[01-Oct-2010 09:33:54] <rmatte> fragfutter: I thought so, but the Zenoss devs didn't, lol
[01-Oct-2010 09:34:02] <cgibbons> no, that's a misrepresentation, ramtte
[01-Oct-2010 09:34:13] <cgibbons> you have to fight with other priorities
[01-Oct-2010 09:34:20] <cgibbons> but, y'all have the code: get busy
[01-Oct-2010 09:34:27] <rmatte> cgibbons: fair enough
[01-Oct-2010 09:35:32] <cgibbons> i dont think that would be that difficult to add, either. snmpindex is pervasive, but we do use different techniques for different data sources, so there's no reason an snmp data source couldn't be smarter.
[01-Oct-2010 09:36:45] <rmatte> Yeh, the simplest way to do it would be to add a routine that updates the indexes based on the names prior to each collection
[01-Oct-2010 09:38:02] <cgibbons> I never did find out from Erik why more dynamic modeling isn't done. I suspect it was just expensive.
[01-Oct-2010 09:38:29] <rmatte> pokui: I'm mounting the ISO as a virtual cd drive on a vm, so the device when I mount it is /dev/sr0
[01-Oct-2010 09:39:06] <rmatte> cgibbons: probably
[01-Oct-2010 09:39:21] <rmatte> It basically doubles the polls needed each cycle
[01-Oct-2010 09:39:49] <Simon4> and then some, since it has to do get/getNext, not many OID's in a request
[01-Oct-2010 09:39:56] <rmatte> I think the best overall solution would be to have alternate snmp plugins available for each thing (interfaces, disks, etc...) that can optionally be used on devices which those change often on
[01-Oct-2010 09:40:15] <rmatte> that way you can only use it where necessary
[01-Oct-2010 09:40:51] <rmatte> I may take a stab at modifying the filesystem plugin to do what I want
[01-Oct-2010 09:43:09] <cgibbons> file system collection could also be less frequent by its very nature i suspect, making the hit less of an issue
[01-Oct-2010 09:44:10] <rmatte> well, I think 5 minutes is reasonable for it, in case a drive suddenly massively increases in disk usage.
[01-Oct-2010 09:44:15] <rmatte> better to catch it early
[01-Oct-2010 09:46:49] <rmatte> cgibbons: What file is actually responsible for the filesystem data collection?  HRFileSystemMap appears to just be for modelling at first glance.
[01-Oct-2010 09:47:07] <rmatte> ah nevermind
[01-Oct-2010 09:47:19] <cgibbons> the template + the snmpindex found by that plugin
[01-Oct-2010 09:47:30] <cgibbons> so regular ol zenperfsnmp
[01-Oct-2010 09:47:30] <rmatte> ah
[01-Oct-2010 09:47:42] <ericenns> anyone on here interested on working on my VMwareDataSource plugin with me
[01-Oct-2010 09:47:43] <rmatte> hmmm, this could be more difficult than I thought then
[01-Oct-2010 09:47:55] <Simon4> rmatte: "collector plugins" is a total misnomer 
[01-Oct-2010 09:48:12] <rmatte> Simon4: Yeh, lol
[01-Oct-2010 09:49:13] <logyati> hello!
[01-Oct-2010 09:49:35] <rmatte> hi
[01-Oct-2010 09:51:37] <rmatte> pokui: and sorry, I didn't see that you had said "on solaris"...
[01-Oct-2010 09:51:50] <rmatte> pokui: I don't actually have access to the solaris servers, the client is being anal about that
[01-Oct-2010 09:51:56] <rmatte> pokui: so I'm testing on a Linux VM
[01-Oct-2010 09:52:50] <pokui> rmatte: ah. ok. I also realised I'd mis-read your question. Thought you were quering the solaris snmp not the vm snmp.
[01-Oct-2010 09:53:07] <rmatte> well, they are both running net-snmp
[01-Oct-2010 09:53:13] <rmatte> so it's pretty much the same
[01-Oct-2010 09:58:46] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[01-Oct-2010 09:59:06] <logyati> im about to install zenoss and a question came through my mind. I have debian lenny 64bit. Should i use the stack installer or the native .DEB package? Whats the difference?
[01-Oct-2010 10:00:09] <ericenns> stack includes all dependencies and is pretty much standalone
[01-Oct-2010 10:01:51] <logyati> ericenns, so, the .bin installer is better?
[01-Oct-2010 10:02:15] <ericenns> yes in a sense then you could remove anything from your system and still have a running installation
[01-Oct-2010 10:02:52] <logyati> hmmm
[01-Oct-2010 10:03:04] <logyati> thats good
[01-Oct-2010 10:03:07] <logyati> thanks
[01-Oct-2010 10:03:11] <ericenns> no problem
[01-Oct-2010 10:03:20] <logyati> its easier to backup then, right?
[01-Oct-2010 10:03:47] <ericenns> I would assume that It should all be contained under a single directory
[01-Oct-2010 10:03:58] <logyati> yep
[01-Oct-2010 10:04:51] <ericenns> just so know the stack installer stays at 99% for a while so don't kill it just wait
[01-Oct-2010 10:07:47] <logyati> ok
[01-Oct-2010 10:08:13] <logyati> waiting at 99% 
[01-Oct-2010 10:08:45] <ericenns> ok cool mine took over 1 hour on a p4 xeon at home
[01-Oct-2010 10:20:09] <fragfutter> rmatte: would it be an option to write your own device modeller that scans dskDevice?
[01-Oct-2010 10:20:38] <logyati> ericenns, done 
[01-Oct-2010 10:20:41] <fragfutter> (1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.9.1.2)
[01-Oct-2010 10:20:51] <ericenns> awesome
[01-Oct-2010 10:20:57] <rmatte> fragfutter: what good is that going to do?  zenperfsnmp is hardcoded to use snmp indexes
[01-Oct-2010 10:21:02] <rmatte> fragfutter: hehe
[01-Oct-2010 10:21:27] <fragfutter> rmatte: dskDevice is explictly defined (including order) in snmpd.conf
[01-Oct-2010 10:22:06] <rmatte> fragfutter: Right, but I'm not sure if you're seeing the big picture here...
[01-Oct-2010 10:22:29] <rmatte> the problem is that as the filesystems are auto mounted or unmounted on a solaris server, the indexes move up and down for any devices/filesystems below them
[01-Oct-2010 10:23:06] <rmatte> unless you're suggesting actually monitoring the /dev/whatever devices directly, which I wasn't aware was possible.
[01-Oct-2010 10:23:09] <fragfutter> i assume you only want to mount a specific set of disks and ignore all automounted ones?
[01-Oct-2010 10:23:29] <rmatte> fragfutter: yes, I only want to monitor the non-automounted ones...
[01-Oct-2010 10:23:39] <rmatte> the problem is that the auto-mounted ones screw with the snmp indexes
[01-Oct-2010 10:23:51] <rmatte> as they are mounted and unmounted the snmp indexes for the drives that I do want to monitor change
[01-Oct-2010 10:24:03] <rmatte> so I end up with thresholds kicking off for 1000+% disk utilization
[01-Oct-2010 10:24:07] <fragfutter> rmatte: if you use dskDevice (which is by default _empty_) you could say in snmpd.conf to only include these
[01-Oct-2010 10:24:09] <rmatte> or -100, or whatever
[01-Oct-2010 10:24:29] <fragfutter> rmatte: and these indexes would not move
[01-Oct-2010 10:24:56] <rmatte> right, but I should just be able to specify ignoredisk to ignore the disks I don't want to monitor
[01-Oct-2010 10:24:59] <rmatte> but it's not working
[01-Oct-2010 10:25:13] <fragfutter> ignordisk only works for specific tables
[01-Oct-2010 10:25:20] <rmatte> I'd rather figure out how to fix that than go off coding some weird thing using a different table
[01-Oct-2010 10:25:51] <rmatte> so an ignoredisk won't affect an snmpdf?
[01-Oct-2010 10:26:13] <rmatte> and even if that's so, I should also be able to use the "disk" option to specify only the things I want to monitor
[01-Oct-2010 10:26:16] <rmatte> which also doesn't work
[01-Oct-2010 10:26:33] <fragfutter> disk will populate only the table dskDevice
[01-Oct-2010 10:26:40] <rmatte> I basically want to tune what shows up in hrStorage
[01-Oct-2010 10:26:46] <fragfutter> it has nothing to do with the table hrStorage table
[01-Oct-2010 10:27:01] <rmatte> so there's absolutely no way to modify the hrStorage table?
[01-Oct-2010 10:27:13] <fragfutter> afaik no.
[01-Oct-2010 10:28:14] <fragfutter> to be sure, i would need to read c-code (and i can't code C 
[01-Oct-2010 10:29:24] <rmatte> wow, you're right
[01-Oct-2010 10:29:42] * fragfutter loves to here that
[01-Oct-2010 10:29:53] <rmatte> that dskDevice collection idea wouldn't be a bad idea
[01-Oct-2010 10:35:30] <rmatte> I'm going to work on coding that this morning, and if I get it working that's one more ZenPack submission from me for the contest
[01-Oct-2010 10:35:31] <rmatte> 
[01-Oct-2010 10:35:49] <rmatte> It honestly shouldn't be hard
[01-Oct-2010 10:37:22] <rmatte> hmmmm, one thing is the values that it outputs for total and such are different than hrStorage
[01-Oct-2010 10:37:32] <rmatte> that's going to be a bit of a pain
[01-Oct-2010 10:39:39] <rmatte> oh, they do it using an alias from the looks of it, hmmm
[01-Oct-2010 10:39:44] <rmatte> usedFilesystemSpace__bytes  |  ${here/blockSize},*
[01-Oct-2010 10:40:00] <rmatte> oh nevermind
[01-Oct-2010 10:40:07] <rmatte> those are aliases for use in reports and the UI
[01-Oct-2010 10:40:14] <rmatte> hmmm
[01-Oct-2010 10:40:39] <rmatte> actually, no
[01-Oct-2010 10:40:48] <rmatte> I think that is the actual calculation done
[01-Oct-2010 10:40:49] <rmatte> hmmm
[01-Oct-2010 10:41:59] <rmatte> wow, I didn't even know you could do that
[01-Oct-2010 10:43:56] * rmatte scratches his head
[01-Oct-2010 10:44:17] <Parabola|Work> hey ryan
[01-Oct-2010 10:44:51] <Parabola|Work> i'm getting alerts that zenperfwmi isnt avialible on my remote collectors.. think it'll fix it if i just install the zenpack on the remote collector
[01-Oct-2010 10:45:02] <Parabola|Work> i thought egors pack deployed the zenpacks, i dunno what happened with it
[01-Oct-2010 10:45:41] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: The pack needs to be installed on the remote collector and zenperfwmi needs to be configured like any other daemon
[01-Oct-2010 10:45:46] <rmatte> with the local and remote config options
[01-Oct-2010 10:46:10] <rmatte> His pack copies ZenPack directories over...
[01-Oct-2010 10:46:10] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  hmm, why did egor say his remote collector zenpack copies the zenpacks over for you
[01-Oct-2010 10:46:14] <Parabola|Work> oh
[01-Oct-2010 10:46:16] <rmatte> but in the case of daemons, it's very different
[01-Oct-2010 10:46:24] <rmatte> daemons need to actually be installed, running, and configured correctly
[01-Oct-2010 10:46:26] <bigegor> Parabola|Work: do not install anything on remote collector
[01-Oct-2010 10:46:27] <rmatte> which can't be automated
[01-Oct-2010 10:46:46] <rmatte> bigegor: how is he going to get zenperfwmi working?
[01-Oct-2010 10:47:14] <rmatte> there's no way to automate installation of that pack without starting up zope on the remote collector first
[01-Oct-2010 10:47:24] <rmatte> and then configuring the daemon to connect back to zenhub on the master
[01-Oct-2010 10:47:31] <Parabola|Work> it does that
[01-Oct-2010 10:47:34] <Parabola|Work> iirc, lemme check the configs
[01-Oct-2010 10:47:38] <rmatte> k
[01-Oct-2010 10:48:02] <bigegor> zenperfwmi daemon must bu running un master. zenpack get list of running daemons and send config to remote collector.
[01-Oct-2010 10:48:43] <bigegor> so if zenperfwmi daemon running on master it will be started on remote collector
[01-Oct-2010 10:49:08] <Parabola|Work> yup
[01-Oct-2010 10:49:12] <Parabola|Work> hubhost is set
[01-Oct-2010 10:49:17] <Parabola|Work> and monitor is set
[01-Oct-2010 10:49:19] <rmatte> cool, didn't know the pack supported that
[01-Oct-2010 10:49:22] <rmatte> very nice
[01-Oct-2010 10:49:25] <Parabola|Work> yeah
[01-Oct-2010 10:49:37] <Parabola|Work> well i first noticed i had a problem when i was unable to remodel
[01-Oct-2010 10:49:45] <Parabola|Work> it wouldnt error, it would just sit there forever
[01-Oct-2010 10:49:51] <rmatte> ah
[01-Oct-2010 10:49:59] <Parabola|Work> i'll tinker and let you know what i find
[01-Oct-2010 10:50:04] <Parabola|Work> might be worth documenting somehwere
[01-Oct-2010 10:50:55] <Parabola|Work> putty needs tabs
[01-Oct-2010 10:52:33] <xuru> morning
[01-Oct-2010 10:52:38] <Parabola|Work> morning
[01-Oct-2010 10:55:22] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: just get SecureCRT
[01-Oct-2010 10:55:43] <Parabola|Work> i'm not paying money for an ssh client
[01-Oct-2010 10:55:45] <Parabola|Work> but, good find
[01-Oct-2010 10:56:04] <rmatte> Well, honestly, SecureCRT is worth the money
[01-Oct-2010 10:56:14] <rmatte> it has tons of cool features, like macro support
[01-Oct-2010 10:56:15] <Orv> ilan: Hey
[01-Oct-2010 10:57:40] <Parabola|Work> ffs so i have to blame this zenoss install
[01-Oct-2010 10:57:50] <rmatte> lol
[01-Oct-2010 10:57:53] <Parabola|Work> two seperate PCs, 3 different browsers.. the grey bar at the bottom is broken
[01-Oct-2010 10:57:59] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  seperate issue seperate client box
[01-Oct-2010 10:58:06] <Parabola|Work> lol mine are broken for my own reasons 
[01-Oct-2010 10:58:13] <Parabola|Work> i cant add zenpacks
[01-Oct-2010 10:58:18] <Parabola|Work> add devices
[01-Oct-2010 10:58:50] <Parabola|Work> and actually it appears like the bar at the top is gone too
[01-Oct-2010 11:00:00] <Parabola|Work> ie 7 / ie 8, firefox 3.6 and 4.0, chrome 6 and 7
[01-Oct-2010 11:00:06] <Parabola|Work> is there another browser worth testing?
[01-Oct-2010 11:06:02] <Parabola|Work> haha, i've been getting alerts on a windows server because the d drive has zero bytes fre
[01-Oct-2010 11:06:05] <Parabola|Work> its my cd rom 
[01-Oct-2010 11:06:48] <pokui> Parabola: rmatte's been raving about a similar problem
[01-Oct-2010 11:07:05] <Parabola|Work> easy fix is to disable monitoring on that drive
[01-Oct-2010 11:07:11] <Parabola|Work> but not exactly a good long term solution
[01-Oct-2010 11:07:57] <rmatte> pokui: nah, my problem is more complex than that
[01-Oct-2010 11:08:07] <Parabola|Work> what is your problem rmatte
[01-Oct-2010 11:08:17] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: just disable monitoring on it and lock it so that monitoring doesn't get enabled on it again
[01-Oct-2010 11:08:38] <rmatte> If it's a Linux server, add /mnt/cdrom or whatever to the ignored filesystem names in zProperties
[01-Oct-2010 11:09:08] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: my problem has to do with solaris servers which auto-mount/unmount user home directories as people login/out of the server
[01-Oct-2010 11:09:15] <rmatte> which messes up the snmp indexes in the hrStorage table
[01-Oct-2010 11:09:31] <Parabola|Work> ah
[01-Oct-2010 11:09:48] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  it was a windows server for me 
[01-Oct-2010 11:10:00] <rmatte> fragfutter: explained that if I code a modeler plugin that uses the dskDevice table, then it'll resolve the issue (and he's right)
[01-Oct-2010 11:10:04] <rmatte> so I'm working on that now
[01-Oct-2010 11:10:13] <Parabola|Work> nice
[01-Oct-2010 11:10:29] <rmatte> I was wondering why an ignoredisk options wasn't work in snmpd.conf...
[01-Oct-2010 11:10:41] <rmatte> but it's because it affects the dskDevice table, not the hrStorage table
[01-Oct-2010 11:10:55] <rmatte> s/work/working
[01-Oct-2010 11:17:49] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  couldnt you just ignore thoes directories
[01-Oct-2010 11:18:07] <Parabola|Work> i dont know much about solaris, only used osol a couple of times.. but i'm sure the usr dirs are in the same location
[01-Oct-2010 11:18:09] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: no, they mess up the snmp indexes
[01-Oct-2010 11:18:11] <rmatte> for instance...
[01-Oct-2010 11:18:15] <rmatte> if you have:
[01-Oct-2010 11:18:18] <rmatte> 1: /
[01-Oct-2010 11:18:24] <rmatte> 2: /home/jerry
[01-Oct-2010 11:18:29] <rmatte> 3: /home/steve
[01-Oct-2010 11:18:33] <rmatte> 4: /var
[01-Oct-2010 11:18:38] <rmatte> and then bob logs in
[01-Oct-2010 11:18:42] <rmatte> you end up having...
[01-Oct-2010 11:18:45] <rmatte> 1: /
[01-Oct-2010 11:18:50] <rmatte> 2: /home/bob
[01-Oct-2010 11:18:54] <rmatte> 3: /home/jerry
[01-Oct-2010 11:18:59] <rmatte> 4: /home/steve
[01-Oct-2010 11:19:01] <rmatte> 5: /var
[01-Oct-2010 11:19:15] <rmatte> so the snmp index for var, which you do want to monitor, just changed from 4 to 5
[01-Oct-2010 11:19:31] <rmatte> so now Zenoss thinks that /home/steve are the values for /var
[01-Oct-2010 11:19:35] <rmatte> and it screws everything up
[01-Oct-2010 11:20:32] <xuru> anyone know what would be causing this:  threshold of low CPU idle not met: current value 0.00?
[01-Oct-2010 11:20:45] <Simon4> xuru: 100% cpu usage
[01-Oct-2010 11:21:10] <xuru> hmm
[01-Oct-2010 11:21:47] <xuru> Simon4: thanks!
[01-Oct-2010 11:21:56] <rmatte> xuru: just disable that threshold
[01-Oct-2010 11:22:02] <rmatte> it's there by default and it's useless
[01-Oct-2010 11:22:11] <rmatte> same with the swap space one
[01-Oct-2010 11:22:14] <xuru> why is it useless?
[01-Oct-2010 11:22:19] <rmatte> it's hardcoded at 1024, it's not dynamic
[01-Oct-2010 11:22:20] <rmatte> useless
[01-Oct-2010 11:22:34] <rmatte> It's useless because every server is going to hit 100% CPU from time to time
[01-Oct-2010 11:22:47] <rmatte> It'll pick up the odd spike and you'll get alerts several times each day
[01-Oct-2010 11:23:07] <xuru> true, but in this case it's been an ongoing issue and it actually was correct
[01-Oct-2010 11:23:22] <rmatte> k, you can keep it if you want, just saying
[01-Oct-2010 11:23:28] <Simon4> it's the kind of alert you only want to get if the CPU is pinned for the whole 5 min
[01-Oct-2010 11:23:34] <Simon4> vs "snapshot CPU"
[01-Oct-2010 11:23:34] <xuru> yeah
[01-Oct-2010 11:23:34] <rmatte> yeh
[01-Oct-2010 11:23:38] <xuru> that's what I was thinking
[01-Oct-2010 11:23:58] <Simon4> the other reason it's useless
[01-Oct-2010 11:24:08] <Simon4> is that if a single-threaded app pins a core at 100% you want to know about it
[01-Oct-2010 11:24:09] <xuru> looks like puppet was trying to run vmware-config-tools.pl and it got stuck
[01-Oct-2010 11:24:18] <Simon4> yet on a multi-core box, that'll only register as say 25%
[01-Oct-2010 11:24:27] <xuru> oh, not good
[01-Oct-2010 11:24:44] * Simon4 has a to-to to look at a processor modeller/whether net-snmp puts out per-core stats
[01-Oct-2010 11:24:52] <Simon4> gah, to-do even
[01-Oct-2010 11:25:26] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  cant you rebuild that index
[01-Oct-2010 11:25:31] <xuru> also, we have tomcat servers that have the GC setup such that it's taking a single CPU to 100% all the time, and that's normal
[01-Oct-2010 11:26:10] <Simon4> cpu monitoring is harder than it seems on the surface these days
[01-Oct-2010 11:26:12] <logyati> guys im trying to run zenoss over apacheSSL. I didnt understand this line RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://${SERVER_NAME}:8080/VirtualHostBase/https/${SERVER_NAME}:443/VirtualHostRoot/$1 [L,P]
[01-Oct-2010 11:26:25] <logyati> should i replace "Virtualhostbase..." for something?
[01-Oct-2010 11:26:30] <Simon4> no
[01-Oct-2010 11:26:39] <pokui> logyati: nope. it's zope specific
[01-Oct-2010 11:26:48] <Simon4> it uses a zope feature so that zope makes sure all the url's get returned to the browser correctly
[01-Oct-2010 11:26:52] <pokui> just SERVER_NAME
[01-Oct-2010 11:27:35] <Simon4> actually, that will only work if ${SERVER_NAME} is the same as the url
[01-Oct-2010 11:27:43] <xuru> anyone using / have had success with the puppet zenpack?
[01-Oct-2010 11:28:28] <Simon4> i.e. for a client we have http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/https/external.hostname.here/443/$1
[01-Oct-2010 11:28:48] <logyati> hmm i followed the DOC, and its not working  im getting 403 forbidden, and "client denied by server configuration: proxy:http://monitor.example.com:8080/VirtualHostBase/https/monitor.example.com:443/VirtualHostRoot/" in apache logs
[01-Oct-2010 11:29:09] <logyati> its the same url
[01-Oct-2010 11:29:34] <logyati> could you paste your apache config?
[01-Oct-2010 11:29:41] <pokui> logyati: well, then you're one step closer. paste your apache config for the virtualhost in pastie.org
[01-Oct-2010 11:29:48] <Simon4> what if you go to http://monitor.example.com:8080/VirtualHostBase/https/monitor.example.com:443/VirtualHostRoot/ with your browser?
[01-Oct-2010 11:30:35] <Parabola|Work> hmm
[01-Oct-2010 11:30:45] <logyati> Simon4, it works with the url you said
[01-Oct-2010 11:30:49] <logyati> im pasting
[01-Oct-2010 11:31:01] <Simon4> right, so the zope bit works, it's just the apache config somewhere
[01-Oct-2010 11:31:05] <Parabola|Work> bigegor, now i'm getting zenmodeler heartbeat failures with the remote collector, i restarted zenoss to try and clear up the zenwmiperf issues
[01-Oct-2010 11:37:28] <elc0> im running 2.5 and having trouble getting the network map to display anything.
[01-Oct-2010 11:37:58] <elc0> I want the 'network map start object' to be 172.20.0.0/23
[01-Oct-2010 11:38:34] <elc0> my zenoss box is sitting on another network.  I can see a switch that is located on the 172.20.0.0 network, and snmp can see all interfaces on tha tswitch
[01-Oct-2010 11:38:37] <rmatte> the start object has to be an actual device
[01-Oct-2010 11:38:40] <rmatte> not a network address
[01-Oct-2010 11:38:43] <elc0> ohhhh
[01-Oct-2010 11:39:38] <rmatte> Also, if you go to Advanced -> Users -> <your username> you can set "Network Map Start Object"
[01-Oct-2010 11:39:43] <rmatte> that way it will default to it
[01-Oct-2010 11:39:54] <elc0> right.  I am setting that field, but nothing shows
[01-Oct-2010 11:40:07] <rmatte> did you hit enter after typing in the ip?
[01-Oct-2010 11:40:13] <elc0> does it take a while to build the map?
[01-Oct-2010 11:40:17] <rmatte> no
[01-Oct-2010 11:40:22] <rmatte> it should just come up right away
[01-Oct-2010 11:40:44] <logyati> guys sorry my delay http://pastebin.com/CXt0gWn2
[01-Oct-2010 11:41:00] <pokui>  also.. tiirc he map is of detected hosts (and networks) - does 2.x have switch mapping?
[01-Oct-2010 11:42:07] <elc0> pokui, thanks.  I will test on another device
[01-Oct-2010 11:42:13] <rmatte> pokui: that network graph hasn't changed at all since ages ago
[01-Oct-2010 11:42:18] <rmatte> network map, rather
[01-Oct-2010 11:43:43] <pokui> rmatte: what i meant is if zenos does auto discovery for devices plugged into switches in 2.x .. if it does those devices will show up if you only model a switch (as discovered etc)
[01-Oct-2010 11:45:48] <elc0> my map must be broke or something
[01-Oct-2010 11:46:00] <bigegor> Parabola|Work: you can try to reset heartbeats
[01-Oct-2010 11:46:06] <ninjazjb> Is it possible to view the comments of a server through zendmd?
[01-Oct-2010 11:46:29] <rmatte> pokui: does it even do that in 3.0?
[01-Oct-2010 11:46:41] <rmatte> pokui: I've never heard of Zenoss doing that
[01-Oct-2010 11:47:07] <pokui> rmatte: i think it was put up as a wish-list people could vote on, but I didn't follow up on if it got implemented
[01-Oct-2010 11:48:13] <Parabola|Work> bigegor, i have an idea, im testing now
[01-Oct-2010 11:48:20] <Parabola|Work> i had to remove zenoss on the remote collector and reinstall though
[01-Oct-2010 11:48:25] <rmatte> yeh well, all that wishlist stuff probably won't be implemented for another 2 years or more
[01-Oct-2010 11:48:32] <rmatte> they go based on priority
[01-Oct-2010 11:49:04] <rmatte> right now the focus is performance improvements and reporting
[01-Oct-2010 11:49:22] <Parabola|Work> zenoss does eat up a box with 2gb of ram pretty easily
[01-Oct-2010 11:49:45] <rmatte> yeh, well, in all fairness so does almost every other piece of monitoring software out there
[01-Oct-2010 11:49:57] <pokui> logyati: that looks fine. make sure that httpd -M (or httpd2 -M ) lists the proxy_module and proxy_http (at minimum) as well as the rewrite_module
[01-Oct-2010 11:50:01] <Parabola|Work> i know one tha tdoesnt
[01-Oct-2010 11:50:08] <Parabola|Work> just open a cmd window and ping every device 
[01-Oct-2010 11:50:14] <Parabola|Work> have monitors full of ping windows
[01-Oct-2010 11:50:56] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: Nagios would be another, but that's very barebones, which is why I said "almost every other"
[01-Oct-2010 11:51:30] <logyati> solved  it was apache conf... debian sets proxy.conf to default deny!
[01-Oct-2010 11:51:54] <logyati> thanks!
[01-Oct-2010 11:52:04] <Parabola|Work> yeah i've never used nagios
[01-Oct-2010 11:52:09] <Parabola|Work> just zabbix , solarwinds and zenoss
[01-Oct-2010 11:52:20] <Parabola|Work> ipmonitor was nice
[01-Oct-2010 11:52:33] <Parabola|Work> very straightfoward
[01-Oct-2010 11:52:38] <Parabola|Work> no hidden settings, or weird verbage
[01-Oct-2010 11:52:53] <pokui> logyati: cool. enjoy. (just make sure your conf hasn't made your box an open forward proxy) - that's the only gotcha.
[01-Oct-2010 11:53:13] <logyati> pokui, how may i check it?
[01-Oct-2010 11:55:57] <pokui> I am not familiar with debian configs but check http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_proxy.html#access that gives some guidelines
[01-Oct-2010 11:57:17] <rmatte> just download one of he millions of open proxy scanners out there and scan your box lol
[01-Oct-2010 11:57:21] <rmatte> simplest way to know
[01-Oct-2010 11:57:28] <rmatte> s/he/the
[01-Oct-2010 11:59:57] <pokui> logyati: in general for this use simply enabling the modules (and not the ProxyRequests directive) is sufficient. not sure what that translates to on a debian box.
[01-Oct-2010 12:01:08] <bigegor> later
[01-Oct-2010 12:03:34] <logyati> pokui, "ProxyRequests Off"
[01-Oct-2010 12:03:45] <pokui> logyati: yup.
[01-Oct-2010 12:03:49] <logyati> this is my config in proxy.conf 
[01-Oct-2010 12:04:15] <pokui> logyati: ok. then it should be fine. as rmatte a scanner could double-check.
[01-Oct-2010 12:07:14] <Parabola|Work> god zenoss just freaked me out , got an alert "Asterisk is down!!!"
[01-Oct-2010 12:07:16] <Parabola|Work> and it wasnt
[01-Oct-2010 12:09:51] <Parabola|Work> nagios is ugly
[01-Oct-2010 12:11:03] <ericenns> your train of thought is confusing lol
[01-Oct-2010 12:13:28] <logyati> last thing. "We also recommend you update zenactions.conf and set the zopeurl field to be https://${SERVER_NAME}.  Doing so results in zenactions sending out emails that refer to the https server you are fronting Zenoss with."
[01-Oct-2010 12:13:37] <logyati> there is nothing inside this file!
[01-Oct-2010 12:17:58] <rmatte> logyati: edit it from the UI
[01-Oct-2010 12:18:08] <rmatte> Advanced -> Daemons
[01-Oct-2010 12:18:13] <rmatte> edit config
[01-Oct-2010 12:18:59] <rmatte> All the conf files are blank by default and Zenoss knows to use the default settings, as soon as you edit the options from the UI and click save it populates the file
[01-Oct-2010 12:19:40] <Parabola|Work> ericenns, me ?
[01-Oct-2010 12:19:46] <ericenns> Parabola|Work: yes
[01-Oct-2010 12:19:52] <Parabola|Work> haha, why do you say that
[01-Oct-2010 12:19:56] <Parabola|Work> the randomness?
[01-Oct-2010 12:20:01] <rmatte> yeh, the randomness
[01-Oct-2010 12:20:05] <ericenns> haha yeah the nagios randomness
[01-Oct-2010 12:20:09] <rmatte> talking about zenoss, then commenting on nagios being ugly
[01-Oct-2010 12:20:50] <Parabola|Work> 
[01-Oct-2010 12:20:54] <Parabola|Work> i decided to go look at it
[01-Oct-2010 12:21:26] <rmatte> yeh, it's very ugly
[01-Oct-2010 12:21:47] <rmatte> GroundWorks kind of pretties it up a bit, but not much
[01-Oct-2010 12:22:28] <ericenns> it is ugly, before I picked zenoss I compared it with nagios and zabbix
[01-Oct-2010 12:24:34] <rmatte> http://image.moongift.jp/intro3/Zenoss_BDC1/zenoss032.png
[01-Oct-2010 12:24:38] <rmatte> old screenshot of Zenoss
[01-Oct-2010 12:25:00] <ericenns> oh god looks similar to zabbix
[01-Oct-2010 12:25:04] <rmatte> hehe
[01-Oct-2010 12:25:41] <rmatte> http://image.moongift.jp/intro3/Zenoss_BDC1/zenoss043.png
[01-Oct-2010 12:25:47] <rmatte> gotta love the purple
[01-Oct-2010 12:25:55] <rmatte> which is still in certain reports unfortunately
[01-Oct-2010 12:25:55] <rmatte> lol
[01-Oct-2010 12:26:01] <xuru> anyone know of a zenpack for Pillar AxiomONE SANs?
[01-Oct-2010 12:26:02] <ericenns> oh my lol
[01-Oct-2010 12:26:14] <rmatte> xuru: If it's not on the ZenPacks page it doesn't exist
[01-Oct-2010 12:26:23] <xuru> ah, ok
[01-Oct-2010 12:27:16] <Parabola|Work> lol
[01-Oct-2010 12:27:23] <Parabola|Work> that oldschool zenoss ui looks faster
[01-Oct-2010 12:27:25] <Parabola|Work> id trade
[01-Oct-2010 12:27:49] <rmatte> lol
[01-Oct-2010 12:29:38] <Parabola|Work> ALL GREeN
[01-Oct-2010 12:29:40] <Parabola|Work> EN*
[01-Oct-2010 12:29:44] <Parabola|Work> no more yellow / reds
[01-Oct-2010 12:30:31] <Parabola|Work> bet that lasts about 2min
[01-Oct-2010 12:30:35] <rmatte> lol
[01-Oct-2010 12:30:51] <Parabola|Work> "Warning: You dont have any bright yellow !'s"
[01-Oct-2010 12:31:31] <ericenns> Yellowish on your monitor with 3 color technology
[01-Oct-2010 12:31:40] <Parabola|Work> hehe
[01-Oct-2010 12:31:45] <Parabola|Work> do you guys have all green all the time?
[01-Oct-2010 12:31:53] <Parabola|Work> i think i've taken care of the BS that gave me the yellow
[01-Oct-2010 12:34:05] <ericenns> hmm I dunno if I understand?
[01-Oct-2010 12:34:15] <Parabola|Work> in zenoss, when you click on devices
[01-Oct-2010 12:34:20] <Parabola|Work> are your classes all green
[01-Oct-2010 12:34:31] <Parabola|Work> i've got checks!
[01-Oct-2010 12:34:33] <rmatte> only if there are no events in the event console 
[01-Oct-2010 12:34:39] <logyati> guys do you know varnish right? my experience here is too slow
[01-Oct-2010 12:34:41] <Parabola|Work> i deleted them all lol
[01-Oct-2010 12:34:47] <logyati> accessing the web UI
[01-Oct-2010 12:35:03] <logyati> seems like the server is taking long time to generate the pages i request
[01-Oct-2010 12:35:13] <rmatte> "do you know varnish right?" -> hunh!?
[01-Oct-2010 12:35:28] <pokui> varnish?
[01-Oct-2010 12:35:28] <ericenns> Parabola|Work: always have the warning signs
[01-Oct-2010 12:35:33] <logyati> varnish, http accelerator
[01-Oct-2010 12:35:42] <rmatte> logyati: what are the server's specs? (how much ram/cpu)?
[01-Oct-2010 12:35:51] <Parabola|Work> lol rmatt
[01-Oct-2010 12:35:55] <Parabola|Work> its slow either way 
[01-Oct-2010 12:36:03] <Parabola|Work> iv'e got one with a gig of ram, and another with 4
[01-Oct-2010 12:36:17] <logyati> 4gb ram, Xeon 3450  @ 2.67GHz, 8 cores
[01-Oct-2010 12:36:24] <Parabola|Work> owned
[01-Oct-2010 12:36:32] <logyati> 1GB bandwidth
[01-Oct-2010 12:36:42] <Parabola|Work> logyati,  the webgui just runs like crap
[01-Oct-2010 12:36:56] <rmatte> logyati: docs/DOC-2521
[01-Oct-2010 12:37:04] <logyati> maybe if i cache it would be faster
[01-Oct-2010 12:37:09] <rmatte> use those settings and I guarantee a performance improvement
[01-Oct-2010 12:37:37] <xuru> yeah, mine was slow too
[01-Oct-2010 12:37:44] <xuru> but now it's snapy
[01-Oct-2010 12:38:10] <logyati> but these settings are usefull when the server is slow because of monitoring a lot of servers right?
[01-Oct-2010 12:38:14] <logyati> i just installed zenoos
[01-Oct-2010 12:38:16] <logyati> zenoss
[01-Oct-2010 12:38:20] <logyati> i have nothing added
[01-Oct-2010 12:38:31] <rmatte> no
[01-Oct-2010 12:38:34] <xuru> the memory adjustments you make to zope etc
[01-Oct-2010 12:38:36] <rmatte> they are useful on multi-core boxes
[01-Oct-2010 12:38:41] <rmatte> you need more zenhub workers
[01-Oct-2010 12:38:41] <logyati> ah nice 
[01-Oct-2010 12:39:05] <rmatte> zenhub is only using 1 thread for you right now, meaning it's using 1/8th of your cpu power
[01-Oct-2010 12:39:29] <logyati> how many workers should i set?
[01-Oct-2010 12:39:33] <xuru> I have 8 cores and bumped it up to 6
[01-Oct-2010 12:39:34] <rmatte> your zope pool size is too small for the amount of RAM you have
[01-Oct-2010 12:39:38] <rmatte> just make the tweaks
[01-Oct-2010 12:39:40] <rmatte> lol
[01-Oct-2010 12:40:09] <rmatte> the page mentions how to figure out how many workers to use
[01-Oct-2010 12:40:12] <rmatte> look at the comments
[01-Oct-2010 12:40:20] <rmatte> (comments in the example config)
[01-Oct-2010 12:40:31] <Parabola|Work> lol @ rmatte  having a picture of himself on the zenoss forums
[01-Oct-2010 12:41:03] <Parabola|Work> *draws a nice mustache on it*
[01-Oct-2010 12:41:08] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: quite a few people do 
[01-Oct-2010 12:41:42] <Parabola|Work> draw mustaches on you?
[01-Oct-2010 12:41:43] <Parabola|Work> cool
[01-Oct-2010 12:41:44] <rmatte> It's on my profile
[01-Oct-2010 12:41:45] <rmatte> no
[01-Oct-2010 12:41:48] <rmatte> have photos 
[01-Oct-2010 12:41:48] <Parabola|Work> 
[01-Oct-2010 12:42:00] <Parabola|Work> woot and it works
[01-Oct-2010 12:42:13] <Parabola|Work> i wrote an expect script to restart services on a linux box when they stop / crash
[01-Oct-2010 12:42:15] <Parabola|Work> and it worked!
[01-Oct-2010 12:42:23] <rmatte> lol
[01-Oct-2010 12:42:25] <rmatte> congrats
[01-Oct-2010 12:42:28] <Parabola|Work> ty
[01-Oct-2010 12:42:44] * Parabola|Work celebrates by putting a party hat on rmatte's profile picture
[01-Oct-2010 12:42:57] <Parabola|Work> i just figured it wouldnt work
[01-Oct-2010 12:43:08] <ericenns> haha you know what's fun making a bash script mutaul exclusive
[01-Oct-2010 12:43:37] <xuru> wow, you guys got some ugly people there 
[01-Oct-2010 12:43:44] <Parabola|Work> haha
[01-Oct-2010 12:43:45] <rmatte> 
[01-Oct-2010 12:43:47] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  isnt that ugly
[01-Oct-2010 12:43:56] <ericenns> haha
[01-Oct-2010 12:44:00] <xuru> I was j/k
[01-Oct-2010 12:44:09] * xuru hides any photos laying around
[01-Oct-2010 12:44:20] * Parabola|Work steals one and posts on 4chan
[01-Oct-2010 12:44:24] * rmatte adds xuru and Parabola|Work to his "no more Zenoss support for you" list
[01-Oct-2010 12:44:29] <Parabola|Work> D:
[01-Oct-2010 12:44:32] <rmatte> hehe
[01-Oct-2010 12:44:49] <xuru> hehe
[01-Oct-2010 12:44:55] * Parabola|Work hits xuru 
[01-Oct-2010 12:44:59] <Parabola|Work> good job, you got us blacklisted
[01-Oct-2010 12:45:21] * xuru cries like a little school girl
[01-Oct-2010 12:45:27] <Parabola|Work> aww
[01-Oct-2010 12:45:30] * Parabola|Work gives xuru some candy
[01-Oct-2010 12:45:41] <rmatte> "I have a problem with such and such in Zenoss"...
[01-Oct-2010 12:45:48] <xuru> ok, I'm worried about you now Parabola
[01-Oct-2010 12:45:50] <rmatte> rmatte: "I'm sorry, you're not on the list."
[01-Oct-2010 12:45:52] <Parabola|Work> lol
[01-Oct-2010 12:45:57] <xuru> 
[01-Oct-2010 12:46:01] <Parabola|Work> xuru,  wanna see my big white van?
[01-Oct-2010 12:46:07] <xuru> uhh
[01-Oct-2010 12:46:13] <Parabola|Work> rmatte, with the performance changes
[01-Oct-2010 12:46:16] <ericenns> rmatte: you mean sorry your on the list
[01-Oct-2010 12:46:18] <pokui> rmatte: i thought it'd be "sorry you _are_ on the list"
[01-Oct-2010 12:46:18] <rmatte> It looks........ spacious
[01-Oct-2010 12:46:27] <Parabola|Work> have you tested these with a vm?
[01-Oct-2010 12:46:29] <ericenns> beat you pokui
[01-Oct-2010 12:46:35] <pokui> heh
[01-Oct-2010 12:46:39] <rmatte> pokui: lol
[01-Oct-2010 12:46:40] <Parabola|Work> i've got this on an esxi host, with 1 vcpu assigned to it
[01-Oct-2010 12:46:50] <Parabola|Work> the host has more CPUs obviously, but the VM..
[01-Oct-2010 12:46:53] <ericenns> rmatte: give credit where credit is due man
[01-Oct-2010 12:47:21] <rmatte> lol
[01-Oct-2010 12:47:40] <rmatte> ok anyways, I really need to get back to coding this modeler plugin
[01-Oct-2010 12:47:45] <Parabola|Work> bye
[01-Oct-2010 12:47:52] <Parabola|Work> i'll entertain xuru while you're gone
[01-Oct-2010 12:48:00] * Parabola|Work shows xuru the van again
[01-Oct-2010 12:48:02] <xuru> >.>
[01-Oct-2010 12:48:04] <ericenns> bye
[01-Oct-2010 12:48:34] <xuru> sweet, the mibs browser is actually usable now
[01-Oct-2010 12:49:10] <xuru> it would be nice if you could select an OID and walk it
[01-Oct-2010 12:51:52] <Parabola|Work> you should run it, its faster
[01-Oct-2010 12:52:02] <Parabola|Work> ..get it
[01-Oct-2010 12:52:15] <xuru> the mib browser zenpack?
[01-Oct-2010 12:52:27] <Parabola|Work> hmm
[01-Oct-2010 12:52:31] <Parabola|Work> egor!
[01-Oct-2010 12:52:36] <Parabola|Work> your zenpack screwed up
[01-Oct-2010 12:52:47] <Parabola|Work> i dont have config files for the zenpacks i have installed on the hub
[01-Oct-2010 12:55:02] <logyati> guys, most of those files had only "#PARAMETER" inside
[01-Oct-2010 12:55:04] <logyati> no lines
[01-Oct-2010 12:55:18] <logyati> is that correct?
[01-Oct-2010 12:55:31] <Parabola|Work> yes
[01-Oct-2010 12:55:34] <ericenns> logyati: yup
[01-Oct-2010 12:55:37] <Parabola|Work> just add stuff
[01-Oct-2010 13:00:56] <logyati> after those changes "Daemon: zopectl Error: section names must not be re-used within the same container:'main'"
[01-Oct-2010 13:01:59] <logyati> ops
[01-Oct-2010 13:02:01] <logyati> found the error
[01-Oct-2010 13:16:59] <logyati> hell yeah, now its fast. I've done the tunning, and im using varnish!
[01-Oct-2010 13:17:17] <logyati> apache ssl > varnish accelerator > zenoss
[01-Oct-2010 13:33:38] <xuru> has anyone looked at the MIB browser zenpack?  seems to crash when you try and install a mib through it
[01-Oct-2010 13:37:30] <rmatte> woot, just confirmed that my Catalyst ZenPack works in 3.0
[01-Oct-2010 13:37:36] <rmatte> works in 2.5 too
[01-Oct-2010 13:40:54] <Orv> rmatte: Cool.
[01-Oct-2010 13:41:02] <Orv> I'll try it out for you :-)
[01-Oct-2010 13:42:00] <rmatte> Orv: doesn't your catalyst switch run IOS?
[01-Oct-2010 13:42:07] <rmatte> My pack is for CatOS
[01-Oct-2010 13:44:20] <Orv> rmatte: It's a 6509.  I'll check it.
[01-Oct-2010 13:44:39] <rmatte> the 6509s I monitor are CatOS
[01-Oct-2010 13:44:47] <rmatte> but I don't know if they support IOS or not
[01-Oct-2010 13:45:17] <Orv> Yep, you're right - this 6509 is running IOS 12.2
[01-Oct-2010 13:45:22] <Orv> Oh, well...
[01-Oct-2010 13:45:43] <rmatte> ah
[01-Oct-2010 13:45:49] <Orv> How come the ones you monitor aren't running IOS?
[01-Oct-2010 13:45:54] <Orv> just curious...
[01-Oct-2010 13:46:10] <rmatte> No idea, they aren't my switches lol
[01-Oct-2010 13:46:15] <rmatte> they belong to a client
[01-Oct-2010 13:46:28] <rmatte> and probably because they don't feel like migrating the configuration to IOS format then update
[01-Oct-2010 13:46:52] <Orv> I can sympathize with that...
[01-Oct-2010 13:46:52] <imeyer> is anyone here using the mysql zenpack?
[01-Oct-2010 13:46:54] <imeyer> over ssh
[01-Oct-2010 13:46:56] <rmatte> CatOS is still used quite a bit
[01-Oct-2010 13:48:19] * Orv shuts down his zenoss to add more RAM to the server.
[01-Oct-2010 13:48:20] <Orv> Finally...
[01-Oct-2010 13:52:28] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[01-Oct-2010 13:58:21] <cgibbons> hurm
[01-Oct-2010 13:59:40] <cgibbons> T-4hrs & counting 
[01-Oct-2010 14:00:54] <rmatte> to?
[01-Oct-2010 14:02:49] <cgibbons> holiday
[01-Oct-2010 14:02:55] <willwh_> lucky sod 
[01-Oct-2010 14:03:00] <rmatte> ah
[01-Oct-2010 14:03:23] <rmatte> not so much lucky as earned
[01-Oct-2010 14:03:23] <rmatte> lol
[01-Oct-2010 14:03:49] <imeyer> mray: there? i have a couple of questions about the mysqlssh zenpack
[01-Oct-2010 14:04:26] <rmatte> imeyer: just ask your questions here
[01-Oct-2010 14:04:30] <rmatte> it could be something one of us knows
[01-Oct-2010 14:05:26] <imeyer> i was gonna ask public anyway.. was just tyring to get his attention 
[01-Oct-2010 14:05:50] <imeyer> i'm not seeing anything getting graphed, and when i go to test against a device, it says the user doesn't have access
[01-Oct-2010 14:06:06] <imeyer> it seems like it's trying to hit the mysql instance on the zenoss server, and not the device name i give it
[01-Oct-2010 14:06:31] <imeyer> because if i ssh zenoss@hostname '/usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_mysql.sh user pass' from the zenoss host, it works
[01-Oct-2010 14:07:50] <rmatte> command tests aren't an accurate representation of what the daemon is doing
[01-Oct-2010 14:08:06] <rmatte> they can fail, but the daemon may be doing it fine, depending on how the command is defined
[01-Oct-2010 14:08:37] <imeyer> ah okay.. that's one thing
[01-Oct-2010 14:08:38] <imeyer> 
[01-Oct-2010 14:08:44] <rmatte> can you show me what the datasource is set to execute in the template?
[01-Oct-2010 14:08:53] <imeyer> yah
[01-Oct-2010 14:09:07] <imeyer> /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_mysql.sh ${here/zMySqlUsername} ${here/zMySqlPassword}
[01-Oct-2010 14:09:13] <rmatte> ok, now...
[01-Oct-2010 14:09:26] <rmatte> you mentioned doing... ssh zenoss@hostname '/usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_mysql.sh user pass
[01-Oct-2010 14:09:34] <rmatte> does it prompt you for a password when you do that?
[01-Oct-2010 14:10:01] <imeyer> nope
[01-Oct-2010 14:10:08] <imeyer> the data is returned from mysql correctly
[01-Oct-2010 14:10:22] <rmatte> so you have an ssh auth key setup
[01-Oct-2010 14:10:27] <imeyer> yep
[01-Oct-2010 14:10:36] <imeyer> i have other ssh checks against these devices as well
[01-Oct-2010 14:10:57] <st3v3o> rmatte:  If you have a bit of time today do you think you could assist in getting a script that will list devices IDs within a location (not sub devices).
[01-Oct-2010 14:10:59] <rmatte> what is zCommandPassword set to in zProperties?
[01-Oct-2010 14:11:09] <imeyer> nil
[01-Oct-2010 14:12:00] <imeyer> i use passwordless auth
[01-Oct-2010 14:12:06] <rmatte> imeyer: as the zenoss user, try doing: zencommand run -v10 -d <device>
[01-Oct-2010 14:12:11] <imeyer> k
[01-Oct-2010 14:12:19] <rmatte> obviously replace <device> with the device name you are running it against
[01-Oct-2010 14:12:22] <rmatte> and see what happens
[01-Oct-2010 14:12:49] <rmatte> st3v3o: I wouldn't imagine it would be overly difficult
[01-Oct-2010 14:13:50] <st3v3o> I can't seem to get my head warpped around it...
[01-Oct-2010 14:15:12] <rmatte> well, the main issue I see are spaces in location names
[01-Oct-2010 14:16:09] <imeyer> rmatte: https://gist.github.com/13f81db494215f805959
[01-Oct-2010 14:16:41] <rmatte> st3v3o: question...
[01-Oct-2010 14:16:59] <rmatte> st3v3o: What are you expecting?  To pass it the name of a location and have it list the devices...
[01-Oct-2010 14:17:07] <rmatte> or to have it recursively list them for each location?
[01-Oct-2010 14:18:01] <rmatte> asdfasdf is actually a device?
[01-Oct-2010 14:18:16] <rmatte> (directed at imeyer)
[01-Oct-2010 14:18:28] <imeyer> no, i edited out incriminating hostnames 
[01-Oct-2010 14:18:42] <rmatte> I see
[01-Oct-2010 14:18:51] <rmatte> well, it doesn't even look like the command is running at all
[01-Oct-2010 14:18:54] <rmatte> is the datasource enabled?
[01-Oct-2010 14:18:57] <Parabola|Work> lol @ rmatte
[01-Oct-2010 14:19:02] <Parabola|Work> "adfadfds is actually a device"
[01-Oct-2010 14:19:24] <imeyer> yeah
[01-Oct-2010 14:20:02] <st3v3o> rmatte:  yes
[01-Oct-2010 14:20:17] <rmatte> st3v3o: yes to which?
[01-Oct-2010 14:20:35] <st3v3o> pass it the location name and get a list of devices.
[01-Oct-2010 14:20:44] <st3v3o> device IDs (names)
[01-Oct-2010 14:21:19] <rmatte> k
[01-Oct-2010 14:22:39] <rmatte> st3v3o: I just figured it out, give me a minute...
[01-Oct-2010 14:22:46] <st3v3o> cool
[01-Oct-2010 14:24:37] <rmatte> location = 'This is a test location'
[01-Oct-2010 14:24:37] <rmatte> for d in dmd.Locations.getObjByPath('/zport/dmd/Locations/%s' % (location)).getSubDevices():
[01-Oct-2010 14:24:37] <rmatte>     d.id
[01-Oct-2010 14:24:40] <rmatte> there you have it
[01-Oct-2010 14:24:41] <imeyer> rmatte: just pmd you image of data source config
[01-Oct-2010 14:25:13] <rmatte> replace This is a test location with the name of the location
[01-Oct-2010 14:25:17] <rmatte> case sensitive I'd imagine
[01-Oct-2010 14:25:49] <rmatte> imeyer: the check_sql script is on the remote device?
[01-Oct-2010 14:26:13] <imeyer> yes sir
[01-Oct-2010 14:26:20] <st3v3o> rock on
[01-Oct-2010 14:27:28] <rmatte> imeyer: It might be expecting to use zCommandPassword instead of a key
[01-Oct-2010 14:27:43] <rmatte> imeyer: It might not be attempting since that property is blank
[01-Oct-2010 14:27:55] <rmatte> I don't have enough experience with SSH datasources to really help you any further
[01-Oct-2010 14:28:09] <imeyer> ah okay.. thanks rmatte for your help thus far 
[01-Oct-2010 14:28:25] <rmatte> np
[01-Oct-2010 14:29:57] <rmatte> alrighty, back to coding lol
[01-Oct-2010 14:36:25] <logyati> guys, what is the right think to do when it comes to snmp? make zenoss check every device, or just make the devices send traps to zenoss?
[01-Oct-2010 14:36:40] <rmatte> logyati: both
[01-Oct-2010 14:36:49] <rmatte> poll and have the devices send traps
[01-Oct-2010 14:37:02] <ganiman> hello
[01-Oct-2010 14:37:04] <rmatte> hi
[01-Oct-2010 14:37:05] <logyati> hmmm
[01-Oct-2010 14:37:19] <rmatte> logyati: you're obviously going to have to tune some traps out
[01-Oct-2010 14:37:23] <logyati> and where do i get the snmp trap string inside zenoss?
[01-Oct-2010 14:37:25] <logyati> cant find it
[01-Oct-2010 14:37:32] <rmatte> logyati: We use syslogs, traps, and snmp polling to monitor network devices
[01-Oct-2010 14:37:36] <ganiman> I'm drawing a blank - what is the url to get into zope where you can write custom python scripts, etc?
[01-Oct-2010 14:37:43] <rmatte> each one provides a certain level of monitoring
[01-Oct-2010 14:37:47] <rmatte> then I tune out any duplicates
[01-Oct-2010 14:38:01] <rmatte> ganiman: just add /manage to the end of the url
[01-Oct-2010 14:38:41] <logyati> rmatte, i never worked with snmp traps, have to study it to learn how to tune it
[01-Oct-2010 14:38:44] <rmatte> logyati: Zenoss doesn't care about the trap string
[01-Oct-2010 14:38:47] <rmatte> it accepts any traps
[01-Oct-2010 14:38:51] <rmatte> just configure the devices to send them
[01-Oct-2010 14:39:01] <rmatte> same goes for syslogs
[01-Oct-2010 14:39:16] <rmatte> and you'll need to install the appropriate Mibs for the devices
[01-Oct-2010 14:39:19] <ganiman> rmatte: thanks that is what I was looking for
[01-Oct-2010 14:39:21] <rmatte> so that the traps get translated properly
[01-Oct-2010 14:39:32] <rmatte> ganiman: np
[01-Oct-2010 14:40:29] <ganiman> now, what is the easiest way to extract all the IPs zenoss is monitoring?
[01-Oct-2010 14:40:43] <rmatte> to just get a list of IPs?
[01-Oct-2010 14:40:44] <ganiman> I'm taking over zenoss - guy who was doing it left the company
[01-Oct-2010 14:40:45] <ganiman> yeah
[01-Oct-2010 14:40:52] <rmatte> you know what zendmd is?
[01-Oct-2010 14:41:01] <ganiman> yup
[01-Oct-2010 14:41:04] <rmatte> go in to zendmd
[01-Oct-2010 14:41:06] <rmatte> and do...
[01-Oct-2010 14:41:08] <ganiman> command line tool, correcT?
[01-Oct-2010 14:41:17] <rmatte> for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices():
[01-Oct-2010 14:41:29] <rmatte>     d.getManageIp()
[01-Oct-2010 14:41:53] <rmatte> yes, the commandline tool
[01-Oct-2010 14:42:08] <ganiman> or I could make a python script in a /manage to do the same, right?
[01-Oct-2010 14:42:28] <rmatte> well, why would you want to make it in /manage?
[01-Oct-2010 14:42:32] <rmatte> for xml-rpc?
[01-Oct-2010 14:42:56] <ganiman> yes
[01-Oct-2010 14:43:01] <ganiman> or rest calls
[01-Oct-2010 14:43:08] <rmatte> yeh, you should be able to, I've never done it personally
[01-Oct-2010 14:43:12] <rmatte> I have to go for a bit
[01-Oct-2010 14:43:13] <rmatte> bbiab
[01-Oct-2010 14:43:16] <ganiman> thanks for the tips
[01-Oct-2010 15:23:37] <ninjazjb> rmatte: is there a way to get a list of commands from zendmd?  For instance I found d.os.interfaces and d.getManageIp() in the developers guide, but how am I able to get other commands?
[01-Oct-2010 15:26:16] <logyati> how can i check if zenoss is receiving the traps?
[01-Oct-2010 15:27:58] <wvcain> if you have tcpdump on the system you can look at the nic to be sure a firewall isn't stepping on it.
[01-Oct-2010 15:28:56] <wvcain> On *NIX it goes like this sudo tcpdump -i eth0 port 162
[01-Oct-2010 15:29:30] <xuru> also, in the event details the agent will be zentrap I believe
[01-Oct-2010 15:30:00] <st3v3o> does anyone currently monitor zenoss with another monitoring service like nagios to verify that zenoss processes are running
[01-Oct-2010 15:30:03] <xuru> mine came in /Unknown without a component for some reason
[01-Oct-2010 15:30:34] <wvcain> Thats the event class not the receiver.
[01-Oct-2010 15:30:34] <xuru> st3v3o: I use monit alot for that kind of thing
[01-Oct-2010 15:30:47] <st3v3o> do you do it via SNMP with and OID ?
[01-Oct-2010 15:31:28] <xuru> no, it's a lot more simple then that
[01-Oct-2010 15:31:34] <xuru> monit runs on the same box
[01-Oct-2010 15:31:52] <xuru> and checks if the different pids exist and if it doesn't, restarts them
[01-Oct-2010 15:31:58] <xuru> or sends and alert
[01-Oct-2010 15:31:59] <xuru> etc
[01-Oct-2010 15:32:56] <st3v3o> ah we are required to have an off site box monitor the monitor system to verify that its up
[01-Oct-2010 15:33:12] <xuru> ah, yeah, that wouldn't work then
[01-Oct-2010 15:33:23] <xuru> use another zenoss 
[01-Oct-2010 15:33:39] <xuru> with only one box to monitor
[01-Oct-2010 15:35:09] <st3v3o> yeah taht is the plan for the future as me move off of cacti/nagios
[01-Oct-2010 15:47:48] <logyati> xuru, same problem here. /unknown
[01-Oct-2010 15:48:05] <logyati> why?
[01-Oct-2010 15:48:09] <xuru> yeah, you need to remap them
[01-Oct-2010 15:48:34] <xuru> probably because it doesn't know what you want them to be I guess
[01-Oct-2010 15:49:17] <xuru> What I do is go to the events page select it, and click on the "Map event to class" button
[01-Oct-2010 15:49:56] <xuru> if there isn't an event class that you like you can always make another
[01-Oct-2010 15:50:02] <rmatte> yeh, they'll come in as Unknown by default
[01-Oct-2010 15:50:07] <rmatte> you need to map them to the class you want
[01-Oct-2010 15:50:23] <rmatte> and then optionally configure the mapping how you want
[01-Oct-2010 15:50:56] <xuru> you would think that it would map it to something like /trap/unknown or something though
[01-Oct-2010 15:51:04] <wvcain> I just pointed syslog at Zenoss and added thousands of events to the event log.
[01-Oct-2010 15:51:11] <wvcain> now I want to delete them.
[01-Oct-2010 15:51:13] <rmatte> xuru: no, that's not the way it's coded
[01-Oct-2010 15:51:26] <rmatte> /Unknown just means it hasn't been mapped yet
[01-Oct-2010 15:51:33] <rmatte> It does the same thing with syslogs
[01-Oct-2010 15:51:33] <xuru> ah, ok
[01-Oct-2010 15:51:37] <wvcain> Know SQL but with power comes responsibility..
[01-Oct-2010 15:51:58] <rmatte> wvcain: did they all come in from one device?
[01-Oct-2010 15:52:26] <wvcain> delete * from detail name = 'foo' sound dangrous.
[01-Oct-2010 15:52:40] <wvcain> Yep one device.
[01-Oct-2010 15:52:52] <wvcain> where... of course
[01-Oct-2010 15:52:59] <rmatte> hold on
[01-Oct-2010 15:54:40] <rmatte> I have the proper mysql statement somewhere, I'm just trying to find it
[01-Oct-2010 15:54:57] <rmatte> k...
[01-Oct-2010 15:54:59] <wvcain> Thank you.  Not crisis.
[01-Oct-2010 15:55:04] <rmatte> mysql -u root -p -P 3307 --socket /usr/local/zenoss/mysql/tmp/mysql.sock -D events
[01-Oct-2010 15:55:09] <rmatte> DELETE FROM history WHERE device LIKE 'cisco-49-A7-60';
[01-Oct-2010 15:55:17] <rmatte> replace cisco-49-A7-60 with the name of the device
[01-Oct-2010 15:56:34] <wvcain> thanks.
[01-Oct-2010 15:57:28] <rmatte> np
[01-Oct-2010 15:58:11] <wvcain> Kind of a tricky question... can I assume there are triggers to take care of any relationships.
[01-Oct-2010 15:58:17] <rmatte> that'll work if they are in history though
[01-Oct-2010 15:58:26] <rmatte> if they are currently in the active event console you'll need to do...
[01-Oct-2010 15:58:51] <rmatte> DELETE FROM status WHERE device LIKE 'cisco-49-A7-60';
[01-Oct-2010 15:59:42] <dec3pti0n> hmm I'm a bit confused on 3.0 .... under /Devices/Server/Linux I only see "Device (/Server/Linux) for monitoring templates. on the old 2.X version I have filesystem,IPService, OSprocess, ethernetCsmaccd and smaccd64
[01-Oct-2010 16:00:09] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: go to Advanced -> Monitoring Templates
[01-Oct-2010 16:00:28] <rmatte> The template handling in 3.0 is still a bit crappy
[01-Oct-2010 16:02:26] <wvcain> Interesting... it in the database as the ip address (used to first add/model) but I change the name.  The first name sticks.
[01-Oct-2010 16:03:35] <rmatte> a lot of people have been having that problem
[01-Oct-2010 16:03:39] <wvcain> 2145 rows created in 10 min.  time to turn down logging.  thanks to all.
[01-Oct-2010 16:03:40] <rmatte> I don't know what causes that
[01-Oct-2010 16:03:55] <rmatte> actually...
[01-Oct-2010 16:03:59] <dec3pti0n> how do I enable it ?  I see nothing to enable it
[01-Oct-2010 16:04:04] <rmatte> did you change the name before or after the events came in?
[01-Oct-2010 16:04:11] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: enable what?
[01-Oct-2010 16:04:17] <cgibbons> tick tock tick rock
[01-Oct-2010 16:04:31] <rmatte> s/rock/tock
[01-Oct-2010 16:04:32] <rmatte> 
[01-Oct-2010 16:06:09] <dec3pti0n> under monitoring template I see the "/Devices" under ethernetCsmacd_64 does not have a green on
[01-Oct-2010 16:06:22] <dec3pti0n> like the ones under the Device template
[01-Oct-2010 16:07:18] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: you can't "enable" a template
[01-Oct-2010 16:07:25] <rmatte> especially interface templates
[01-Oct-2010 16:07:34] <rmatte> they just get used automatically based on the type of each interface
[01-Oct-2010 16:07:42] <rmatte> if the type matches the name of the interface template it gets used
[01-Oct-2010 16:07:47] <dec3pti0n> I guess something is messed up then
[01-Oct-2010 16:08:21] <rmatte> plus I don't know why you're relying on the icons in that section
[01-Oct-2010 16:08:26] <rmatte> do you see any having icons in there?
[01-Oct-2010 16:08:36] <dec3pti0n> yep
[01-Oct-2010 16:09:01] * rmatte logs in to his 3.0 test box to jog his memory
[01-Oct-2010 16:09:35] <dec3pti0n> ok I guess the togle must have done something cause now I see the ethernetCsmacd_64 under monitoring templates
[01-Oct-2010 16:09:49] <rmatte> green means it's a local template at that level
[01-Oct-2010 16:10:00] <rmatte> grey means it's inherited at that level
[01-Oct-2010 16:10:27] <rmatte> no idea what no icon means
[01-Oct-2010 16:10:44] <rmatte> but if it's an ethernet template it's irrelevant
[01-Oct-2010 16:10:57] <rmatte> well, an interface template
[01-Oct-2010 16:35:33] <Parabola|Work> hm
[01-Oct-2010 16:49:16] <cgibbons> blorp!
[01-Oct-2010 16:51:15] <dec3pti0n> i'm done with zenoss for today ... got get this 3.0 interface figured out
[01-Oct-2010 17:39:32] <Parabola|Work> how can i verify that a remote collector has been deleted
[01-Oct-2010 17:39:52] <Parabola|Work> the reason i ask, is i've still got alerts coming up saying heartbeat failure from a collector i got rid of
[01-Oct-2010 17:40:39] <logyati> guys, i have a device inside /Server/Virtual Hosts/Xen, but i would like to bind the template /server/linux to it too. How can i do that?
[01-Oct-2010 17:40:48] <chkraise_> have you cleared the heartbeats
[01-Oct-2010 17:40:50] <Parabola|Work> you need to do an overide
[01-Oct-2010 17:40:53] <Parabola|Work> chkraise_,  yes about 20 times now
[01-Oct-2010 17:40:56] <Parabola|Work> all day its been doing it
[01-Oct-2010 17:41:00] <Parabola|Work> logyati, advanced
[01-Oct-2010 17:41:10] <Parabola|Work> logyati, advanced > monitoring templates
[01-Oct-2010 17:41:22] <Parabola|Work> select the one you want to have elsewhere
[01-Oct-2010 17:41:33] <Parabola|Work> and do ovveride template
[01-Oct-2010 17:41:34] <logyati> 
[01-Oct-2010 17:41:35] <logyati> thanks
[01-Oct-2010 17:41:36] <Parabola|Work> 
[01-Oct-2010 17:41:37] <Parabola|Work> np
[01-Oct-2010 17:41:38] <Parabola|Work> oh!
[01-Oct-2010 17:41:49] <Parabola|Work> ive heard it doesnt work well on the perf wmi stuff egor did
[01-Oct-2010 17:43:45] <logyati> but parabola, im there. what should i do? drag and drop ?
[01-Oct-2010 17:43:50] <Parabola|Work> no
[01-Oct-2010 17:43:51] <logyati> copy?
[01-Oct-2010 17:43:54] <Parabola|Work> do ovveride
[01-Oct-2010 17:43:55] <logyati> how?
[01-Oct-2010 17:44:00] <Parabola|Work> and select in the dropdown the new class
[01-Oct-2010 17:44:07] <Parabola|Work> give it a minute to pouplate that dropdown
[01-Oct-2010 17:44:18] <Parabola|Work> it wont remove the current location it'll just add that template to the new location as well
[01-Oct-2010 17:44:22] <logyati> "Do you wish to override the selected monitoring template? This will affect all devices using the monitoring template."
[01-Oct-2010 17:44:29] <Parabola|Work> sure
[01-Oct-2010 17:44:35] <Parabola|Work> yes
[01-Oct-2010 17:47:42] <Parabola|Work> i read that removing the collector from the web GUI should take care of it
[01-Oct-2010 17:47:54] <Parabola|Work> but it didnt  all the daemons are coming back with heartbeat failure
[01-Oct-2010 17:48:07] <logyati> would be nice if zenoss had an iphone app 
[01-Oct-2010 17:48:23] <Parabola|Work> would be nice if zenoss didnt drive me nuts
[01-Oct-2010 17:56:57] <Simon4> Parabola|Work: "clear heartbeats" under event manager
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[01-Oct-2010 21:29:34] <Parabola> hm
[01-Oct-2010 21:57:35] <Parabola> awsome clear heartbeats did it
[01-Oct-2010 21:57:40] <Parabola> now if they would only stay away
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[02-Oct-2010 14:51:04] <imeyer> i've bound a new template to a device that is to run /sbin/ifconfig against the system (from Linux Monitor Addon zenpack) and i don't see the command run with zencommand run -v10 -d device
[02-Oct-2010 14:51:21] <imeyer> i'm using 3.0.2, do i need to restart anything other than zope?
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[04-Oct-2010 00:54:12] <ironpaw> hi!
[04-Oct-2010 00:54:17] <ironpaw> anyone alive?
[04-Oct-2010 01:05:04] <ironpaw> need to vigure out how to create an event remotely
[04-Oct-2010 01:08:17] <ironpaw> ok
[04-Oct-2010 01:08:25] <ironpaw> found out how to do it via a wget cmd
[04-Oct-2010 01:08:28] <ironpaw> thanks!
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[04-Oct-2010 09:46:32] <st3v3o> morning
[04-Oct-2010 10:04:15] <fus10nx> morning all
[04-Oct-2010 10:04:26] <fus10nx> having more issues today  - just trying to model a device and getting this error - failed NT status (c00000b5) in dcerpc_pipe_connect_b_recv
[04-Oct-2010 10:04:47] <fus10nx> username/password are correct, netsh firewall set service RemoteAdmin enable is performed on the machine so not sure what else it can be
[04-Oct-2010 10:11:41] <fus10nx> weird - aapparently I didn't do the netsh firewall command - my apologies - it is working now
[04-Oct-2010 10:16:47] <rmatte> 
[04-Oct-2010 10:17:21] <fus10nx> so I sitll have to go through the admin guide in depth but there's a way to monitor running programs correct? So if I wanted to keep an eye on 'myapplication.exe' and it's NOT a service - it's possible?
[04-Oct-2010 10:17:31] <fus10nx> ZenOSS could e-mail me if it wasn't running/crashed/stopped/started/etc. ?
[04-Oct-2010 10:23:23] <fus10nx> And last, is there any reason why my google map wouldn't be drawing lines between locatins ?
[04-Oct-2010 10:25:33] <rmatte> fus10nx: yes, lines are only drawn when there is a device at each location in the same subnet
[04-Oct-2010 10:25:59] <rmatte> so if your network design doesn't provide that, then you won't see lines
[04-Oct-2010 10:27:10] <fus10nx> ah, same subnet IP as in IP address
[04-Oct-2010 10:35:05] <rmatte> I mean 2 devices have to have interfaces with IPs in the same subnet
[04-Oct-2010 10:35:12] <fus10nx> hmmm
[04-Oct-2010 10:35:14] <rmatte> subnet as in subnet mask
[04-Oct-2010 10:35:21] <rmatte> you understand the concept of subnets?
[04-Oct-2010 10:35:22] <fus10nx> well what if it's like 5.205.1.7 and 5.206.1.7
[04-Oct-2010 10:35:24] <fus10nx> yea
[04-Oct-2010 10:35:31] <rmatte> no...
[04-Oct-2010 10:35:35] <rmatte> it would be something like...
[04-Oct-2010 10:35:44] <fus10nx> or u mean 255.255.etc
[04-Oct-2010 10:36:01] <rmatte> one of the devices has 10.2.1.50 in 255.255.255.0 and the other has 10.2.1.51 in 255.255.255.0
[04-Oct-2010 10:36:02] <rmatte> or whatever
[04-Oct-2010 10:36:13] <rmatte> usually smaller subnets are used for connections between locations
[04-Oct-2010 10:36:17] <fus10nx> sure but as long as the 255.255.255.0 is the same?
[04-Oct-2010 10:36:19] <rmatte> something like 255.255.255.252
[04-Oct-2010 10:37:10] <rmatte> the addresses just need to be in the same subnet like I said
[04-Oct-2010 10:37:19] <fus10nx> ok gotcha
[04-Oct-2010 10:37:22] <fus10nx> see if i can get this going
[04-Oct-2010 10:37:40] <rmatte> if 255.255.255.252 is the mask, then 10.0.0.1 would be the network address, 10.0.0.2 would be site A, 10.0.0.3 would be site B, and 10.0.0.4 would be the broadcast address
[04-Oct-2010 10:37:50] <rmatte> then 10.0.0.5 would be the starts of a different subnet
[04-Oct-2010 10:37:54] <fus10nx> so as long as the SUBNET is the same it'll draw the lines ?
[04-Oct-2010 10:37:58] <rmatte> or sorry
[04-Oct-2010 10:38:04] <rmatte> 10.0.0.0 would be network address rather
[04-Oct-2010 10:38:09] <rmatte> 10.0.0.1 would be site A
[04-Oct-2010 10:38:10] <rmatte> and so on
[04-Oct-2010 10:38:14] <fus10nx> yup
[04-Oct-2010 10:38:25] <fus10nx> well then this should work since the subnet for the Hamachi VPN is always 255.0.0.0
[04-Oct-2010 10:38:40] <rmatte> are they in the same IP space?
[04-Oct-2010 10:38:57] <rmatte> same first octet I mean
[04-Oct-2010 10:38:59] <fus10nx> no - 5.204.177.171 and 5.206.175.63
[04-Oct-2010 10:39:01] <fus10nx> yes
[04-Oct-2010 10:39:20] <rmatte> it should technically work then, though I've never dealt with class A netmasks in Zenoss
[04-Oct-2010 10:39:24] <rmatte> you'd have to ask a Zenoss dev
[04-Oct-2010 10:39:39] <fus10nx> its not drawing it between locations BUT at one location I have multiple devices in multiple subnets
[04-Oct-2010 10:39:43] <fus10nx> so let me try moving it outside of that
[04-Oct-2010 10:39:45] <rmatte> but that's how it was explained to me by a dev once upon a time
[04-Oct-2010 10:39:50] <fus10nx> gotcha
[04-Oct-2010 10:40:51] <fus10nx> newp - didnt work
[04-Oct-2010 10:40:56] <fus10nx> that stinks :-/
[04-Oct-2010 10:41:12] <fus10nx> so everything must have to be the same except LAST octect
[04-Oct-2010 10:42:04] <rmatte> normally if a network is setup in the ideal way, you would have small subnets dedicated to your links between locations
[04-Oct-2010 10:42:18] <rmatte> so each link between locations would have it's own 2 unique IP addresses
[04-Oct-2010 10:42:23] <fus10nx> I don't really have total control of the Hamachi VPn service
[04-Oct-2010 10:42:35] <rmatte> well, the other thing is that you're using VPN
[04-Oct-2010 10:42:49] <rmatte> Zenoss has to be aware of the addresses at both ends
[04-Oct-2010 10:43:09] <rmatte> so it needs to be aware of all of the tunnel interfaces and their IPs
[04-Oct-2010 10:43:16] <rmatte> which hamachi may not be exposing
[04-Oct-2010 10:43:53] <fus10nx> well i guess the simple question is, is there a way to draw the line sbetween different subnets?
[04-Oct-2010 10:43:57] <fus10nx> i dont see why it wouldnt
[04-Oct-2010 10:46:24] <st3v3o> does zenoss an OID that can be queried for status from a remote machine ?
[04-Oct-2010 10:47:54] <Parabola> you want to monitor your monitoring box?
[04-Oct-2010 10:49:21] <st3v3o> yeah to make sure its up from a remote site
[04-Oct-2010 10:49:35] <rmatte> st3v3o: you could monitor the zenoss processes via Zenoss on a different server
[04-Oct-2010 10:49:41] <rmatte> but there's no be all end all OID to query for status
[04-Oct-2010 10:49:44] <st3v3o> yeah that is the long term goal
[04-Oct-2010 10:49:49] <rmatte> Zenoss isn't an snmp server
[04-Oct-2010 10:49:57] <rmatte> you'd have to configure net-snmp to spit back status somehow
[04-Oct-2010 10:50:21] <st3v3o> yeah I wasn't sure if there was something already setup …I'll just extend via net-snmp if not
[04-Oct-2010 10:50:59] <klinstifen> morning all
[04-Oct-2010 10:51:21] <fus10nx> morning
[04-Oct-2010 10:51:26] <klinstifen> i may be rebuilding my zenoss box
[04-Oct-2010 10:51:35] <klinstifen> and i am not too concerned about readding devices
[04-Oct-2010 10:51:40] <klinstifen> but i want to keep their performance history
[04-Oct-2010 10:51:55] <Simon4> klinstifen: grab the rrd files from $ZENHOME/perf
[04-Oct-2010 10:51:56] <klinstifen> can i just copy the rrd files from a 2.5.2 install into the appropriate folder in 3.0.2?
[04-Oct-2010 10:52:03] <Simon4> yup
[04-Oct-2010 10:52:17] <klinstifen> Simon4, no need for any conversion or zenmigrate stuff, right?
[04-Oct-2010 10:52:23] <Simon4> correct
[04-Oct-2010 10:52:28] <klinstifen> cool thx
[04-Oct-2010 10:54:16] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[04-Oct-2010 11:07:49] <rmatte> woohoo, just finished a new collector plugin for filesystems
[04-Oct-2010 11:08:17] <rmatte> It collects filesystem info from
[04-Oct-2010 11:08:23] <rmatte> UCD-SNMP-MIB
[04-Oct-2010 11:08:28] <rmatte> instead of HOST-RESOURCES
[04-Oct-2010 11:08:42] <rmatte> time to see if it'll solve my solaris monitoring problems
[04-Oct-2010 11:10:02] <fus10nx> good luck 
[04-Oct-2010 11:10:45] <fus10nx> what are some of the 'must have' zenpacks out there/
[04-Oct-2010 11:11:40] <rmatte> it really depends on what you want to monitor
[04-Oct-2010 11:11:45] <rmatte> there aren't really any "must have"
[04-Oct-2010 11:11:51] <fus10nx> im looking at network weathermap
[04-Oct-2010 11:12:10] <rmatte> is that a new pack?
[04-Oct-2010 11:12:14] <rmatte> I haven't seen that one
[04-Oct-2010 11:12:21] <mray> it's on the wiki under integrations
[04-Oct-2010 11:13:16] <rmatte> I can't even find it
[04-Oct-2010 11:13:41] <mray> community/documentation/wiki/integrations
[04-Oct-2010 11:13:48] <mray> docs/DOC-2543
[04-Oct-2010 11:14:22] <rmatte> ah
[04-Oct-2010 11:14:50] <fus10nx> My question from earlier was never answers and wondering if anyone can help answer - is there a way to monitor running programs correct? So if I wanted to keep an eye on 'myapplication.exe' and it's NOT a service - it's possible? ZenOSS could e-mail me if it wasn't running/crashed/stopped/started/etc. ?
[04-Oct-2010 11:15:48] <mray> fus10nx: http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jcurry.html check out "Methods of monitoring processes with Zenoss"
[04-Oct-2010 11:15:59] <mray> I assume you can get the process list of windows machines via snmp
[04-Oct-2010 11:16:03] <mray> I could be wrong on that
[04-Oct-2010 11:19:27] <imeyer> mray: are you using the mysql ssh monitor zenpack on 3.0.2 ?
[04-Oct-2010 11:19:39] <fus10nx> thanks
[04-Oct-2010 11:19:53] <mray> imeyer: I used it with 3.0 and 3.0.1 so it probably still works
[04-Oct-2010 11:20:04] <mray> it's a bit of a hack
[04-Oct-2010 11:20:12] <mray> but you need to copy the scripts to the remote box
[04-Oct-2010 11:21:03] <imeyer> yep, i had it all working via cli from the zenoss server, but it'd never collect anything
[04-Oct-2010 11:21:14] <imeyer> and when i did zencommand for that device, i never saw the command being run
[04-Oct-2010 11:21:20] <imeyer> so i haven't figured out what's going on :/
[04-Oct-2010 11:21:29] <mray> it's kinda tricky, you've got the ssh creds all correct?
[04-Oct-2010 11:21:34] <mray> and the path on the remote machine set?
[04-Oct-2010 11:21:55] <imeyer> yep.. i can do ssh zenoss@remotehost 'pathtoscript user pass'
[04-Oct-2010 11:21:57] <imeyer> and i get the data back
[04-Oct-2010 11:22:08] <mray> hmmm...
[04-Oct-2010 11:22:24] <mray> does anything show up in the zencommand log?
[04-Oct-2010 11:22:46] <imeyer> i think the problem is the device isn't running the command, but i don't know why yet.. it doesn't show up in the log
[04-Oct-2010 11:32:21] <mray> Zenoss 3.0.x Performance Enhancements: docs/DOC-8511
[04-Oct-2010 11:32:39] <mray> rmatte: inspired by your 2.5.x and 2.4.5 articles 
[04-Oct-2010 11:34:31] <Simon4> mray: so there will be a 3.0.3?
[04-Oct-2010 11:34:36] <Simon4> by the looks of http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/query?status=assigned&status=backlog&status=closed&status=fixrejected&status=new&status=verification&group=patch_state&patch=3.0.3&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=owner&col=priority&col=milestone&col=component&col=changetime&report=6&order=status ?
[04-Oct-2010 11:35:08] <mray> Simon4: it's not planned
[04-Oct-2010 11:35:33] <Simon4> ah, "if there is"
[04-Oct-2010 11:35:35] <mray> we collect the tickets in case there has to be another release, but it's not on the map
[04-Oct-2010 11:35:37] * Simon4 reads better
[04-Oct-2010 11:35:54] <mray> development is way oversubscribed for the next release
[04-Oct-2010 11:52:55] <imeyer> 3.1 is next?
[04-Oct-2010 11:53:04] <mray> I believe they're calling it 3.5
[04-Oct-2010 11:53:09] <mray> nothing's official yet
[04-Oct-2010 11:53:58] <Simon4> "Zenoss '95"
[04-Oct-2010 11:55:22] <mray> now with J++
[04-Oct-2010 11:56:04] <st3v3o> required windows windows NT 
[04-Oct-2010 12:12:48] <imeyer> haha
[04-Oct-2010 12:15:14] <klinstifen> is there a way to export from the command line?
[04-Oct-2010 12:15:27] <klinstifen> can I just copy the zepack directory from $ZENHOME/ZenPacks?
[04-Oct-2010 12:15:41] <klinstifen> my gui export doesnt seem to be working
[04-Oct-2010 12:16:04] <Simon4> klinstifen: check $ZENHOME/exports
[04-Oct-2010 12:16:13] <klinstifen> empty
[04-Oct-2010 12:16:37] <st3v3o> what browser ?
[04-Oct-2010 12:16:52] <klinstifen> chrome
[04-Oct-2010 12:16:59] <st3v3o> try FF
[04-Oct-2010 12:20:00] <rmatte> klinstifen: you need to get the GUI export function to work because it does stuff like building the objects.xml file on export
[04-Oct-2010 13:40:53] <imeyer> is there a gpg key for the deb repo on dev.zenoss.org ?
[04-Oct-2010 13:49:22] <rmatte> I doubt it
[04-Oct-2010 13:49:33] <rmatte> why bother even using the repo?
[04-Oct-2010 13:49:38] <rmatte> just download the debs as they come out
[04-Oct-2010 13:56:05] <mray> http://dev.zenoss.org/yum/RPM-GPG-KEY-zenoss
[04-Oct-2010 13:57:18] <rmatte> he's talking about the deb repo
[04-Oct-2010 13:57:22] <rmatte> isn't that for yum?
[04-Oct-2010 13:57:29] <rmatte> he means the aptitude repo
[04-Oct-2010 13:57:59] <mray> http://dev.zenoss.org/deb/dists/main/stable/binary-i386/Release.gpg
[04-Oct-2010 13:58:43] <rmatte> yup, that'd be the one
[04-Oct-2010 13:59:50] <fus10nx> here's an interesting one - when I get e-mail alerts they link to the localhost address DNS name so "http://zenoss:8080" so if i click nt he link outside of the network it doesn'tw ork - how can I change that?
[04-Oct-2010 14:00:01] <fus10nx> i want it to be the full DNS name 'zenoss.mycompany.com'
[04-Oct-2010 14:00:45] <Simon4> fus10nx: $ZENHOME/etc/zenactions.conf
[04-Oct-2010 14:00:53] <fus10nx> eidt that file?
[04-Oct-2010 14:00:58] <fus10nx> there's no way to do it through the GUI?
[04-Oct-2010 14:01:10] <Simon4> zopeurl                         http://where.zenoss.really.lives
[04-Oct-2010 14:01:21] <Simon4> you might be able to edit it in the gui actually
[04-Oct-2010 14:01:22] * Simon4 looks
[04-Oct-2010 14:02:03] <fus10nx> $ZENHOME/bin/zensnpp localhost 444 $RECIPIENT
[04-Oct-2010 14:02:04] <fus10nx> no
[04-Oct-2010 14:02:05] <fus10nx> hmmmm
[04-Oct-2010 14:02:16] <Simon4> a ha
[04-Oct-2010 14:02:22] <Simon4> go to "advanced"
[04-Oct-2010 14:02:26] <Simon4> then "Daemons" on the side
[04-Oct-2010 14:02:26] <fus10nx> yup
[04-Oct-2010 14:02:31] <Simon4> and click on "edit config" beside zenactions
[04-Oct-2010 14:02:37] <Simon4> you can set the zopeurl there
[04-Oct-2010 14:03:03] <fus10nx> thanks man !
[04-Oct-2010 14:03:13] <Simon4> np
[04-Oct-2010 14:04:34] <fus10nx> is there a way to keep the google map zoomed out so even when it refreshs it doesn't go back to the view?
[04-Oct-2010 14:07:25] <rmatte> fus10nx: nope
[04-Oct-2010 14:07:35] <rmatte> it auto-scales
[04-Oct-2010 14:07:38] <fus10nx> its semi cutting one of the sites off but fair enough
[04-Oct-2010 14:08:44] <fus10nx> ohh i found a bug 
[04-Oct-2010 14:08:55] <fus10nx> in the alerts if you put a repear time in then try to take it out you get a site error
[04-Oct-2010 14:09:03] <fus10nx> so you've gotta put in 0 I'm guessing
[04-Oct-2010 14:11:01] <rmatte> I didn't even know you could put a repair time in
[04-Oct-2010 14:11:11] <fus10nx> repeat sorry
[04-Oct-2010 14:11:12] <fus10nx> not repair
[04-Oct-2010 14:11:43] <rmatte> oh, I've never noticed that
[04-Oct-2010 14:11:53] <rmatte> I don't use repeat times
[04-Oct-2010 14:11:57] <rmatte> but yeh, that would be a bug
[04-Oct-2010 14:12:10] <rmatte> something to do with the new UI, I know that option worked in the old UI
[04-Oct-2010 14:14:19] <fus10nx> im @ 3.0.1
[04-Oct-2010 14:17:15] <rmatte> yeh exactly
[04-Oct-2010 14:17:19] <rmatte> and you should upgrade to 3.0.2
[04-Oct-2010 14:17:30] <rmatte> major bug fixes between 3.0.1 and 3.0.2
[04-Oct-2010 14:17:46] <rmatte> I don't know why everyone seems to still be running 3.0.0 or 3.0.1
[04-Oct-2010 14:24:53] <xuru> howdy
[04-Oct-2010 14:25:47] <xuru> Are there any options out there for perf monitoring on SQL2008 on 64bit machines (and are free)?
[04-Oct-2010 14:26:22] <rmatte> xuru: you've tried the MSSQL WMI ZenPack?
[04-Oct-2010 14:26:28] <xuru> looks like WMIPerfMSSQL2008 doesn't work with 64bit machines
[04-Oct-2010 14:26:37] <rmatte> hunh?
[04-Oct-2010 14:26:41] <rmatte> WMI is WMI
[04-Oct-2010 14:26:43] <bigegor> xuru: try this docs/DOC-3391
[04-Oct-2010 14:26:47] <xuru> rmatte: it requires snmp-informant-SQLv2
[04-Oct-2010 14:26:49] <rmatte> doesn't matter what the arch is
[04-Oct-2010 14:27:00] <rmatte> xuru: the WMI pack, no snmp
[04-Oct-2010 14:27:21] <rmatte> you can try the ODBC pack too that egor just pasted
[04-Oct-2010 14:27:28] <xuru> according to this he says there is:  http://www.good.is/post/americans-are-horribly-misinformed-about-who-has-money/
[04-Oct-2010 14:27:32] <xuru> doh
[04-Oct-2010 14:27:36] <xuru> wrong URL
[04-Oct-2010 14:27:36] <rmatte> lol
[04-Oct-2010 14:27:37] <xuru> sorry
[04-Oct-2010 14:27:50] <xuru> hehe, hate that when it happens
[04-Oct-2010 14:27:55] <xuru> docs/DOC-4641
[04-Oct-2010 14:28:25] <rmatte> ah
[04-Oct-2010 14:28:30] <rmatte> try the ODBC pack
[04-Oct-2010 14:28:48] <xuru> ok, I'll try that one
[04-Oct-2010 14:28:52] <xuru> looks good
[04-Oct-2010 14:28:59] <rmatte> yeh, it's a good pack for sure
[04-Oct-2010 14:29:01] <Parabola|Work> hey guys
[04-Oct-2010 14:29:04] <Parabola|Work> how is everyone
[04-Oct-2010 14:29:08] <rmatte> good good
[04-Oct-2010 14:29:09] <rmatte> what's up?
[04-Oct-2010 14:29:15] <xuru> hey Parabola
[04-Oct-2010 14:29:16] <Parabola|Work> eating fresh
[04-Oct-2010 14:29:20] <Parabola|Work> i got me some subway
[04-Oct-2010 14:29:25] <rmatte> nice, I love subway
[04-Oct-2010 14:29:33] <Parabola|Work> yup i got extra meat for free
[04-Oct-2010 14:29:37] <rmatte> nice lol
[04-Oct-2010 14:29:42] <Parabola|Work> girl was new, and nervous and felt bad for whatever reason
[04-Oct-2010 14:29:51] <rmatte> strange, but worked out for you
[04-Oct-2010 14:29:53] <Parabola|Work> yeah
[04-Oct-2010 14:29:59] <Parabola|Work> and zenoss has been stable all weekend
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:01] <Parabola|Work> it was awesome
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:06] <rmatte> lol
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:07] <xuru> damn, I'm hungry now
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:12] <Parabola|Work> i got a BMT
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:16] <rmatte> my Zenoss instances have all been perfectly stable since 2.5.2
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:22] <rmatte> 2.4 was a pain in the ass
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:24] <Parabola|Work> shh
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:31] <Parabola|Work> are you running 3 in prod?
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:33] <Parabola|Work> or still 2.5.2
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:34] <rmatte> massive RRD memory leak
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:38] <rmatte> nah, no 3 in prod yet
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:43] <Parabola|Work> yea
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:46] <Parabola|Work> thats why yours works
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:49] <rmatte> I haven't had time to develop a proper upgrade process
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:55] <Parabola|Work> you can do it my way
[04-Oct-2010 14:30:59] <Parabola|Work> just upgrade it and see what happens
[04-Oct-2010 14:31:07] <rmatte> well, are you running 3.0.2 though?
[04-Oct-2010 14:31:10] <Parabola|Work> yes
[04-Oct-2010 14:31:18] <rmatte> and it's not stable?
[04-Oct-2010 14:31:29] <imeyer> ah that gpg key wasn't what i was looking for :/
[04-Oct-2010 14:31:29] <Parabola|Work> zenactions and zenjobs stop randomly
[04-Oct-2010 14:31:42] <Parabola|Work> and, i've had some other small issues
[04-Oct-2010 14:31:47] <rmatte> imeyer: just download the .deb manually 
[04-Oct-2010 14:31:58] <Parabola|Work> who cares about gpg keys.. really
[04-Oct-2010 14:32:00] <Parabola|Work> just get the file
[04-Oct-2010 14:32:04] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: that's weird
[04-Oct-2010 14:32:20] <Parabola|Work> yeah
[04-Oct-2010 14:32:21] <Parabola|Work> i get that alot
[04-Oct-2010 14:32:21] <imeyer> rmatte: why would i do that?
[04-Oct-2010 14:32:31] <Parabola|Work> why wouldnt you
[04-Oct-2010 14:32:33] <rmatte> imeyer: because it takes 2 seconds to do
[04-Oct-2010 14:32:41] <Parabola|Work> who would waste time on setting up encryption and shit to get the deb file
[04-Oct-2010 14:32:44] <Parabola|Work> when you can download it in 2 seconds
[04-Oct-2010 14:32:46] <rmatte> you grab the .deb from the zenoss site and then dpkg -i <filename>
[04-Oct-2010 14:32:55] <imeyer> i'm not doing this manually
[04-Oct-2010 14:33:01] <rmatte> or you can just grab the stack installer as a .bin, and chmod +x it then run it
[04-Oct-2010 14:33:16] <rmatte> imeyer: what's your issue with doing it manually exactly?
[04-Oct-2010 14:33:17] <imeyer> i'm writing a zenoss chef cookbook
[04-Oct-2010 14:33:31] <Parabola|Work> not being a smartass
[04-Oct-2010 14:33:41] <Parabola|Work> but it doesnt sound like you're having very good luck
[04-Oct-2010 14:33:45] <Parabola|Work> and why not just use the stack installer
[04-Oct-2010 14:34:45] <Simon4> imeyer: I think you can disable gpg checking on a repo by repo basis for apt?
[04-Oct-2010 14:34:49] <Simon4> that might get you around it
[04-Oct-2010 14:34:53] <Parabola|Work> yes you can
[04-Oct-2010 14:34:57] <Parabola|Work> you can ignore it
[04-Oct-2010 14:35:04] <rmatte> Simon4: yeh, you can as far as I recall
[04-Oct-2010 14:35:04] <imeyer> Simon4: yeah, that's what i was gonna do next
[04-Oct-2010 14:35:12] <Parabola|Work> ack this webserver is eating up 3gb of ram
[04-Oct-2010 14:35:19] <rmatte> gpg is just a precaution, it doesn't affect anything
[04-Oct-2010 14:35:32] <Parabola|Work> it stops the man from watching what you're doing!
[04-Oct-2010 14:35:39] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: wth are you running on there?
[04-Oct-2010 14:35:40] <rmatte> lol
[04-Oct-2010 14:37:31] <Parabola|Work> lol all kinds of goodies
[04-Oct-2010 14:37:41] <rmatte> apparently
[04-Oct-2010 14:37:48] <Parabola|Work> its vTiger causing it
[04-Oct-2010 14:37:53] <Parabola|Work> i know it is
[04-Oct-2010 14:38:23] <Parabola|Work> woo zenoss is working correctly, this is a good day
[04-Oct-2010 14:38:30] <Parabola|Work> no bs alerts, i got them all fixed last week
[04-Oct-2010 14:38:38] <Parabola|Work> cleared out my broken heartbeats
[04-Oct-2010 14:38:41] <rmatte> the end date for the ZenPack contest is the 14th?
[04-Oct-2010 14:38:48] <imeyer> rmatte: sure it's just a precaution, i just found it curious that there isn't one.
[04-Oct-2010 14:39:19] <rmatte> I already have a new pack to submit, and one more that I want to code (trying something new, going to make my own datasource type)
[04-Oct-2010 14:39:23] <imeyer> i think i saw it mentioned somewhere as though there used to be one
[04-Oct-2010 14:39:43] <rmatte> imeyer: It's possible but I wouldn't know where to look
[04-Oct-2010 14:40:04] <Parabola|Work> you made some packs? cool
[04-Oct-2010 14:40:05] <imeyer> yah, the place it said where it was 404d, so i asked in here 
[04-Oct-2010 14:40:22] <Parabola|Work> imeyer,  what do you need? the gpg keys for the apt repo?
[04-Oct-2010 14:40:39] <imeyer> Parabola|Work: yah, that's all.. so i can apt-key add it
[04-Oct-2010 14:40:51] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: well, I have my updated Cisco Mibs pack that I still have to wrap up and submit, and a newly created pack that I made today for collection Filesystem info from UCD instead of HOST-RESOURCES
[04-Oct-2010 14:40:56] <imeyer> i'll ignore gpg if i absolutely have to, but i'd rather not
[04-Oct-2010 14:41:12] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: and I've already submitted my Cisco Catalyst pack
[04-Oct-2010 14:41:13] <Parabola|Work> sec lemme take a look for you
[04-Oct-2010 14:41:35] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: My next project is a datasource type that allows you to do mathematical calculations with datapoints
[04-Oct-2010 14:41:42] <Parabola|Work> cool, but why
[04-Oct-2010 14:41:55] <rmatte> so you'd have 2 datapoints that you want to add together to threshold on (prior to graphing)
[04-Oct-2010 14:42:10] <rmatte> so you'd create a new datasource which allows you to add both of them together and then threshold against it
[04-Oct-2010 14:42:14] <imeyer> rmatte: ooo i would looove that
[04-Oct-2010 14:42:16] <Parabola|Work> cool
[04-Oct-2010 14:42:18] <rmatte> I've wanted that functionality in Zenoss for ages
[04-Oct-2010 14:42:27] <Parabola|Work> do you have any idea how you're going to wriet it
[04-Oct-2010 14:42:32] <imeyer> rmatte: i use graphite for something similar
[04-Oct-2010 14:43:20] <Parabola|Work> imeyer, : http://dev.zenoss.org/yum/RPM-GPG-KEY-zenoss
[04-Oct-2010 14:43:27] <Parabola|Work> that 404'ed for you?
[04-Oct-2010 14:43:29] <Parabola|Work> pulls up fine here
[04-Oct-2010 14:43:40] <Parabola|Work> oh, RPm
[04-Oct-2010 14:43:41] <Parabola|Work> my bad
[04-Oct-2010 14:44:24] <Parabola|Work> yeah i cant find one either
[04-Oct-2010 14:44:27] <imeyer> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Hardy#Zenoss
[04-Oct-2010 14:44:33] <imeyer> that's where i got the key location from
[04-Oct-2010 14:44:53] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: The pack for collecting filesystem info via UCD instead of HOST-RESOURCES has a few applications.  When you configure what disks to output info for via snmp in the net-snmp config file it only affects the UCD info, not the HOST-RESOURCES info which Zenoss collects from by default...
[04-Oct-2010 14:45:06] <mray> rmatte: why stop at 2?
[04-Oct-2010 14:45:43] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: In the case of Solaris with AutoMountFS, filesystems get mounted and unmounted as users login or logout of the server, so it screws up the snmp indexing
[04-Oct-2010 14:45:46] <Simon4> rmatte: so it models filesystems out of UCD? or disks?
[04-Oct-2010 14:45:53] <rmatte> correct
[04-Oct-2010 14:46:05] <Simon4> which one
[04-Oct-2010 14:46:06] <Simon4> ?
[04-Oct-2010 14:46:11] <rmatte> which one what?
[04-Oct-2010 14:46:24] <Simon4> is it monitoring mounted filesystems, or raw partitions
[04-Oct-2010 14:46:29] <Simon4> two distinct things
[04-Oct-2010 14:46:43] <rmatte> filesystems
[04-Oct-2010 14:46:50] <Simon4> cool
[04-Oct-2010 14:47:19] <rmatte> there's already a UCDHardDisks plugin that does what you described
[04-Oct-2010 14:47:29] <rmatte> (in theory)
[04-Oct-2010 14:47:38] <Simon4> yeah, I got 90% through coding my own one night before finding/using it 
[04-Oct-2010 14:47:45] <rmatte> lol
[04-Oct-2010 14:47:58] <rmatte> yeh, this one is called UCDFileSystemsMap
[04-Oct-2010 14:48:03] <Simon4> funky
[04-Oct-2010 14:48:08] <rmatte> 
[04-Oct-2010 14:48:36] <rmatte> mray: I won't, I just don't know if I can get the next pack done fast enough
[04-Oct-2010 14:48:41] <rmatte> I'll try though
[04-Oct-2010 14:49:22] <zenChild> anyone seen this when trying to delete a device?  "AttributeError: iqnCatalog"
[04-Oct-2010 14:49:41] <rmatte> zenChild: nope, sounds possibly like an index issue though
[04-Oct-2010 14:49:52] <rmatte> have you tried reindexing in zendmd?
[04-Oct-2010 14:50:32] <zenChild> yeah, i was going to do that, but it takes about 15-20 minutes to reindex on our db so I was hoping to not have to.  Oh well.
[04-Oct-2010 14:51:27] <Parabola|Work> oh my god
[04-Oct-2010 14:51:31] <rmatte> I'd say that's your best bet
[04-Oct-2010 14:51:32] <Parabola|Work> i just cant get a break! 
[04-Oct-2010 14:51:39] <rmatte> and that's a huge db, you might want to run a zeopack on that
[04-Oct-2010 14:51:40] <Parabola|Work> I get zenoss working, and now my Vms are hard locking
[04-Oct-2010 14:51:49] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: lame
[04-Oct-2010 14:51:54] <zenChild> rmatte: thanks.  I'll give it a try.
[04-Oct-2010 14:52:02] <rmatte> 
[04-Oct-2010 14:57:58] <Parabola|Work> hmm
[04-Oct-2010 14:58:19] <Parabola|Work> so possiblity.. zenoss is crashing the wmi process on this server 2008 r2 box
[04-Oct-2010 15:00:36] <Parabola|Work> that would certailny explain the random wmi warnings i'm getting
[04-Oct-2010 15:00:57] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  are you using egors wmi plugins & monitoring any 2008 r2 boxes?
[04-Oct-2010 15:02:51] <xuru> I installed the MS SQL ODBC zenpack, but it's not showing up in the list to bind the template...
[04-Oct-2010 15:03:59] <Parabola|Work> check what class its bound to
[04-Oct-2010 15:04:00] <xuru> In Monitoring Templates, I can see them in the list
[04-Oct-2010 15:04:04] <Parabola|Work> and either put your devices in there
[04-Oct-2010 15:04:07] <Parabola|Work> or do an override
[04-Oct-2010 15:04:23] <xuru>  it says /Server/Windows
[04-Oct-2010 15:04:29] <xuru> which my servers are under
[04-Oct-2010 15:04:44] <Parabola|Work> did you restart zope & remodel any of the devices?
[04-Oct-2010 15:05:25] <xuru> I restarted zenoss-stack but I didn't remodel all of my servers...
[04-Oct-2010 15:05:55] <Parabola|Work> try remodeling one of them
[04-Oct-2010 15:06:01] <Parabola|Work> then wait a bit, it wont show up right away
[04-Oct-2010 15:06:26] <xuru> k
[04-Oct-2010 15:18:09] <mray> FYI, the MAC Address Report ZenPack is now 3.0 compatible: docs/DOC-3512
[04-Oct-2010 15:19:44] <bigegor> xuru: you must model your server with community.odbc.MsSqlDatabaseMap plugin. But befor you do that, FreeTDS must be installed and running on your Zenoss server.
[04-Oct-2010 15:20:39] <xuru> bigegor: yeah, that's what I'm doing now, is making sure I had setup the odbc.ini file correctly
[04-Oct-2010 15:23:19] <bigegor> xuru: you don't need to setup odbc.ini but odbcinst.ini
[04-Oct-2010 15:24:14] <xuru> bigegor: ok, that makes sense with only needing the connection string
[04-Oct-2010 15:25:40] <xuru> ok, I installed pyodbc and copied over a python script to test it
[04-Oct-2010 15:25:55] <bigegor> xuru: you can set zMsSqlSrvInstances zProperty if you have multiple SQL Server Instances installed on server
[04-Oct-2010 15:25:58] <xuru> getting Unable to connect to data source for some reason
[04-Oct-2010 15:26:41] <bigegor> xuru: first of all test connectivity with isql command
[04-Oct-2010 15:27:14] <xuru> cool, didn't know that command existed
[04-Oct-2010 15:27:47] <Parabola|Work> mray whats up
[04-Oct-2010 15:27:48] <bigegor> xuru: isql DSN user password
[04-Oct-2010 15:28:14] <mray> Parabola|Work: not much
[04-Oct-2010 15:28:18] <xuru> I was able to connect
[04-Oct-2010 15:28:35] <xuru> hehe
[04-Oct-2010 15:29:11] <xuru> I just got this message from my daughter (8yrs):  sorry a box heilder bug just jumpt down from the top of the computer on the key bord
[04-Oct-2010 15:29:12] <xuru> lol
[04-Oct-2010 15:29:48] <imeyer> haha
[04-Oct-2010 15:29:52] <imeyer> that's cute!
[04-Oct-2010 15:30:00] <xuru> : and I scremed!
[04-Oct-2010 15:30:03] <xuru> hehe
[04-Oct-2010 15:30:50] <xuru> she'll be a hacker by age 12 
[04-Oct-2010 15:31:18] <imeyer> i'm sure you can get her hacking by age 10
[04-Oct-2010 15:31:53] * xuru plans on putting ubuntu on the laptop soon 
[04-Oct-2010 15:32:13] <bigegor> my kids (11 and 10), playing now with scratch programming language 
[04-Oct-2010 15:32:23] <Parabola|Work> lol
[04-Oct-2010 15:32:35] <xuru> bigegor: ah, nice
[04-Oct-2010 15:32:39] <xuru> I was going to look into that
[04-Oct-2010 15:32:54] <bigegor> http://scratch.mit.edu/
[04-Oct-2010 15:33:08] <mray> the guy who wrote the Zenoss book for Packt wrote the Scratch book for them too
[04-Oct-2010 15:33:09] <xuru> cool, thanks!
[04-Oct-2010 15:33:27] <mray> supposedly he's working on a Zenoss 3.0 update of the book
[04-Oct-2010 15:33:32] <Sam-I-Am> howdy
[04-Oct-2010 15:33:59] <xuru> wow, they have a deb
[04-Oct-2010 15:34:00] <xuru> nice
[04-Oct-2010 15:34:08] <rmatte> mray: yeh, I'm supposed to review it when I'm done, but I haven't heard anything about it for a while
[04-Oct-2010 15:34:18] <rmatte> when they're done, rather
[04-Oct-2010 15:34:19] <mray> me neither
[04-Oct-2010 15:34:30] <bigegor> i'll be back in 10 min
[04-Oct-2010 15:35:24] <rmatte> imeyer: my kids will be hacking in to banks by age 14
[04-Oct-2010 15:35:26] <rmatte> 
[04-Oct-2010 15:35:33] <rmatte> and I don't even have any yet
[04-Oct-2010 15:35:38] <Sam-I-Am> anyone here work with the showgraph portlet much?
[04-Oct-2010 15:36:40] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: The tip of the month this month explained it pretty well, but I haven't worked with it first hand
[04-Oct-2010 15:37:34] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, i have it working... pretty spiffy since i think i can use it and the acl features in enterprise to almost limit a user to only see a few specific graphs
[04-Oct-2010 15:37:46] <rmatte> nice
[04-Oct-2010 15:37:56] <Sam-I-Am> it'd be cool to have a way to zoom or change the time span though
[04-Oct-2010 15:37:56] <mray> I've used it for writing the tip of the month 
[04-Oct-2010 15:38:16] <rmatte> hehe
[04-Oct-2010 15:38:27] <rmatte> Matt Ray, the Zenoss rockstar
[04-Oct-2010 15:38:29] <Sam-I-Am> i guess i should back up a bit and explain my ultimate goal in case someone here has a better way to do this...
[04-Oct-2010 15:38:34] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, i see that name frequently 
[04-Oct-2010 15:38:37] <rmatte> 
[04-Oct-2010 15:38:53] <mray> meh, I'm the drummer
[04-Oct-2010 15:39:00] <rmatte> he's being modest
[04-Oct-2010 15:39:02] <Sam-I-Am> right now i have zenoss for monitoring all sorts of details... and only the employees here have access
[04-Oct-2010 15:39:10] <rmatte> he also plays guitar simultaneously
[04-Oct-2010 15:39:11] <xuru> lol
[04-Oct-2010 15:39:12] <Sam-I-Am> i use cacti to show a handful of graphs to the public
[04-Oct-2010 15:39:19] <mray> "What do you call a guy who hangs out with musicians?"
[04-Oct-2010 15:39:22] <mray> The drummer
[04-Oct-2010 15:39:27] <rmatte> lol
[04-Oct-2010 15:39:51] <Sam-I-Am> i'd like to get zenoss to provide the same sort of thing... either 1 account with very limited access to maybe some graph/multigraph reports... or 1 user per customer i have with access to only their device.
[04-Oct-2010 15:40:01] <rmatte> I disagree, drummers are musicians, my answer to that question would be "The triangle player"
[04-Oct-2010 15:40:31] <mray> rmatte: I joke because I was a drummer
[04-Oct-2010 15:40:41] <mray> Sam-I-Am: so you're using Enterprise?
[04-Oct-2010 15:40:46] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[04-Oct-2010 15:40:56] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: interesting... the problem is, I don't know if ACLs actually prevent the routines that actually grab the graphs
[04-Oct-2010 15:41:16] <Sam-I-Am> performance and device reports seem to work... but not other stuff
[04-Oct-2010 15:41:21] <mray> well, you can use Administered Objects to only allow a user to see certain devices or organizers
[04-Oct-2010 15:41:31] <Sam-I-Am> i can add a graph to performance reports and see it via showgraph portlet
[04-Oct-2010 15:41:51] <mray> but you want just the report?
[04-Oct-2010 15:41:58] <Sam-I-Am> ideally just the report
[04-Oct-2010 15:42:17] <mray> reportmail could email it to them...
[04-Oct-2010 15:42:21] <Sam-I-Am> one or more graphs pertaining to their connection to my network... traffic, errors, etc
[04-Oct-2010 15:42:41] <mray> I'm not really familiar with where the ACLs fit in in Enterprise, being the Core guy
[04-Oct-2010 15:42:53] <Sam-I-Am> that'd also work, except my users want graphs they can zoom/adjust
[04-Oct-2010 15:43:26] <Sam-I-Am> mray: understood.  thought there might be some interesting zope hacks floating around or something.
[04-Oct-2010 15:43:44] <mray> Sam-I-Am: there certainly are
[04-Oct-2010 15:43:57] <mray> http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jcurry.html
[04-Oct-2010 15:44:13] <mray> look at Crafting Zenoss Core users for events and zProperties
[04-Oct-2010 15:44:20] <mray> that covers hacking on permissions in Zope
[04-Oct-2010 15:44:31] <klinstifen> is there an easy way to rename a zenpack?
[04-Oct-2010 15:45:00] <mray> Sam-I-Am: I assume you read through the ACLs in the Extended Monitoring Guide?
[04-Oct-2010 15:45:14] <rmatte> mray: cool, didn't know your play an instrument 
[04-Oct-2010 15:45:31] <mray> rmatte: jeez, it's been 10+ years
[04-Oct-2010 15:45:49] <mray> had a band in college, played parties and a few shows
[04-Oct-2010 15:45:52] <rmatte> I'm sure you could still play if you wanted to
[04-Oct-2010 15:45:56] <mray> nothing remarkable
[04-Oct-2010 15:46:26] <Sam-I-Am> mray: it seems fairly vague, at least about reports
[04-Oct-2010 15:46:36] * aclark starts alt rock band w/mray
[04-Oct-2010 15:46:42] <rmatte> My brother goes to university for guitar (which I didn't even know was possible before he did)
[04-Oct-2010 15:46:43] <mray> aclark: hah!
[04-Oct-2010 15:47:05] <rmatte> You can actually get a PHD in guitar
[04-Oct-2010 15:47:16] <Sam-I-Am> actually seems to be the same text thats in the admin guide
[04-Oct-2010 15:47:21] <mray> Sam-I-Am: yeah, it does look vague… Jane's paper at least has more about what that ZenPack is doing under the covers
[04-Oct-2010 15:47:24] <mray> since she went into Zope
[04-Oct-2010 15:47:44] <rmatte> All of Jane's stuff is good because she goes in to depth
[04-Oct-2010 15:47:49] <mray> rmatte: our CTO had a masters in guitar I think
[04-Oct-2010 15:47:56] <rmatte> mray: nice
[04-Oct-2010 15:48:51] <Sam-I-Am> mray: i'll give it a read and see if it give me some insight... i suspect playing with zope will be the ideal, although possibly grotesque, solution for this.
[04-Oct-2010 15:49:21] <mray> grotesque solutions and Zenoss go hand in hand
[04-Oct-2010 15:49:23] <mray> 
[04-Oct-2010 15:49:26] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[04-Oct-2010 15:49:36] <rmatte> not so much grotesque as spaghetti
[04-Oct-2010 15:49:48] <rmatte> spaghetti code is fun
[04-Oct-2010 15:50:03] <Sam-I-Am> only with the right sauce
[04-Oct-2010 15:50:06] <theacolyte> I like spaghetti
[04-Oct-2010 15:50:16] <rmatte> well, spaghetti code == job security
[04-Oct-2010 15:50:25] <rmatte> "good luck figuring this !@#$ out when I leave"
[04-Oct-2010 15:50:28] <theacolyte> haha, I think that's a myth more than anything
[04-Oct-2010 15:50:32] <theacolyte> everyone is replaceable
[04-Oct-2010 15:50:39] <theacolyte> they would just rewrite it
[04-Oct-2010 15:50:40] <rmatte> nah, I've seen it in action at previous jobs
[04-Oct-2010 15:50:46] <theacolyte> (in a way that doesn't suck)
[04-Oct-2010 15:50:58] <theacolyte> usually I find that perception is only on the person that actually wrote the code, not on the management side hehe
[04-Oct-2010 15:51:00] <rmatte> "Don't touch anything, you'll break it, Shawn set that up and we have no idea how to change it without breaking it"
[04-Oct-2010 15:51:02] <rmatte> no joke
[04-Oct-2010 15:51:11] <theacolyte> but did that keep him employed?
[04-Oct-2010 15:51:28] <rmatte> until he went on to a better paying job
[04-Oct-2010 15:51:31] <rmatte> so in a sense, yes
[04-Oct-2010 15:51:35] <theacolyte> hehe
[04-Oct-2010 15:52:09] <rmatte> I'm actually doing work for a client right now, and having to go through crap like that trying to disect everything to move it to a new server
[04-Oct-2010 15:52:12] <rmatte> lots of fun
[04-Oct-2010 15:52:27] <rmatte> so far I've migrated the CVS server from windows to Linux which was a pain
[04-Oct-2010 15:52:34] <rmatte> and migrated their wiki system, which was a pain
[04-Oct-2010 15:53:00] <rmatte> now I just have bugzilla and taskzilla to migrate, then I have to figure out this wacky integration they have between bugzilla and CVS
[04-Oct-2010 15:53:06] <rmatte> and then duplicate it
[04-Oct-2010 15:53:09] <rmatte> lots of fun
[04-Oct-2010 15:53:14] <theacolyte> Sounds like it
[04-Oct-2010 15:53:25] <rmatte> I got volunteered to work on that since I'm one of the 3 linux people in my building
[04-Oct-2010 15:53:29] <theacolyte> I'm still in fix what the last guy did wrong mode at my new job
[04-Oct-2010 15:53:32] <rmatte> out of like 100 employees
[04-Oct-2010 15:53:32] <rmatte> lol
[04-Oct-2010 15:53:41] <theacolyte> 2 months into it
[04-Oct-2010 15:53:58] <theacolyte> Things like... the guy halfassed set all the disk timeouts for our HBA's and VM's
[04-Oct-2010 15:54:12] <rmatte> nice
[04-Oct-2010 15:54:14] <theacolyte> So I can't do a firmware update on our SAN because it won't tolerate  failover (Not to mention if there was an actual issue)
[04-Oct-2010 15:54:23] <rmatte> yeh
[04-Oct-2010 15:54:28] <rmatte> bad bad bad
[04-Oct-2010 15:54:50] <theacolyte> hahah and things like this 3 disk RAID 5 group on our IBM array
[04-Oct-2010 15:54:54] <imeyer> ah yeah, you can't ignore apt repos that aren't signed
[04-Oct-2010 15:54:57] <theacolyte> seriously... 3 disk RAID5?
[04-Oct-2010 15:55:07] <imeyer> so because it's not signed you can't do apt-get install -y zenoss-stack
[04-Oct-2010 15:55:12] <imeyer> wait, 3 disk raid 5?
[04-Oct-2010 15:55:15] <rmatte> imeyer: there's a flag to ignore that it's not signed though
[04-Oct-2010 15:55:19] <theacolyte> yeah I've got a few of those
[04-Oct-2010 15:55:29] <rmatte> imeyer: I remember using it ages ago
[04-Oct-2010 15:55:56] <imeyer> yah, but i'd prefer to use a signed repo so that people trust the source
[04-Oct-2010 15:56:21] <rmatte> it's from zenoss.com, how much more trustworthy can it be when it comes to Zenoss
[04-Oct-2010 15:56:23] <rmatte> ?
[04-Oct-2010 15:56:26] <rmatte> lol
[04-Oct-2010 15:56:55] <Simon4> rmatte: without the gpg key you can't be sure it is from zenoss.com, that's the point 
[04-Oct-2010 15:57:06] <rmatte> true
[04-Oct-2010 15:57:19] <imeyer> yeah, i want to know that the packages up there are truly zenoss
[04-Oct-2010 15:57:32] <rmatte> you could get crafty and just write your own script that grabs the latest package file
[04-Oct-2010 15:57:39] <rmatte> wouldn't take much
[04-Oct-2010 15:57:52] <mray> we do publish the MD5s
[04-Oct-2010 15:58:07] <mray> but I guess those could be faked too
[04-Oct-2010 15:58:21] <xuru> bigegor: you around?
[04-Oct-2010 15:58:34] <imeyer> mray: you could always sign the repo too 
[04-Oct-2010 15:58:36] <rmatte> yeh
[04-Oct-2010 16:01:04] <bigegor> yes
[04-Oct-2010 16:03:13] <xuru> bigegor: question for ya
[04-Oct-2010 16:03:48] <xuru> when I pass in a connection string, what does it use out of that string?  does it use UID and PWD?
[04-Oct-2010 16:04:03] <xuru> or does it only look at zWinUser and password
[04-Oct-2010 16:05:20] <bigegor> if UID=${here/zWinUser} then zWinUser, if UID='somename' then 'somename'
[04-Oct-2010 16:05:43] <xuru> hmm... doesn't look like it's picking that up then
[04-Oct-2010 16:06:03] <xuru> Login failed for user <zWinUser>
[04-Oct-2010 16:06:32] <xuru> and my connection string looks like this:  DRIVER={FreeTDS};dsn=KingSql1;UID=readonly;PWD=xxxxxxx;TDS_Version=8.0;PORT=1433
[04-Oct-2010 16:07:11] <bigegor> remove 'dsn'
[04-Oct-2010 16:07:30] <xuru> oh yeah
[04-Oct-2010 16:08:12] <bigegor> modeler will add 'server' and 'database' options to connection string
[04-Oct-2010 16:08:12] <xuru> still using the zWinUser
[04-Oct-2010 16:09:39] <xuru> what should be in the zMsSqlSrvInstances?
[04-Oct-2010 16:09:41] <bigegor> xuru: wait, modeler used zWinUser and zWinPassword properties.
[04-Oct-2010 16:09:56] <xuru> yes
[04-Oct-2010 16:11:06] <bigegor> if you have only one instance then nothing, if you have more then one then lost of instances names like: Instane1 instance2 instance3
[04-Oct-2010 16:11:38] <xuru> ok, cool,
[04-Oct-2010 16:12:23] <xuru> so yeah, it's still using the zWinUser/zWinPassword
[04-Oct-2010 16:17:56] <bigegor> xuru: is it problem for you?
[04-Oct-2010 16:18:06] <xuru> yes, they aren't the same
[04-Oct-2010 16:18:15] <xuru> I'm using a database user, not a windows user
[04-Oct-2010 16:19:45] <bigegor> you can add windows user to database users
[04-Oct-2010 16:20:19] <xuru> I could, but it's not really an option
[04-Oct-2010 16:20:28] <xuru> i think I have a fix for you though
[04-Oct-2010 16:21:42] <bigegor> you can model your SQL Server one time with Windows account, but monitor with database account.
[04-Oct-2010 16:22:07] <rmatte> that's fine as long as they don't have zenmodel running on regular intervals
[04-Oct-2010 16:22:14] <rmatte> unless they lock it down
[04-Oct-2010 16:22:31] <xuru> I think it would be better to have the connection string override it
[04-Oct-2010 16:23:03] <xuru> ok, I "think" I got it to work
[04-Oct-2010 16:23:27] <xuru> in MsSqlDatabaseMap.py I added this:
[04-Oct-2010 16:23:37] <xuru> options = dict([x.split('=') for x in cs[0].split(';')])
[04-Oct-2010 16:24:05] <xuru> then just check if the key "UID" exists, and use that.  Default to zWinUser
[04-Oct-2010 16:24:30] <rmatte> did you submit a suggestion to the ZenPack creator about that addition of code?
[04-Oct-2010 16:24:31] <rmatte> lol
[04-Oct-2010 16:24:42] <xuru> hehe
[04-Oct-2010 16:25:07] <xuru> I'll have to run it through some unit testing 
[04-Oct-2010 16:25:21] <rmatte> If not, I suggest you do, the community ZenPacks are becoming exceedingly impressive, best to keep the quality up
[04-Oct-2010 16:25:48] <xuru> sure, np
[04-Oct-2010 16:25:51] <rmatte> egor is leading the pack in terms of impressiveness
[04-Oct-2010 16:25:57] <rmatte> 
[04-Oct-2010 16:26:21] <bigegor> yes, i do 
[04-Oct-2010 16:26:32] <xuru> I just wish I had more time, or I would add a few myself
[04-Oct-2010 16:26:52] <rmatte> yeh well, everyone does what they can
[04-Oct-2010 16:29:38] <xuru> why does zenmodeler return without doing anything on the commandline, but not in the web interface?
[04-Oct-2010 16:29:54] <xuru> I must be missing a commandline option:  zenmodeler run -d kssql01.kingcompanies.com
[04-Oct-2010 16:29:58] <rmatte> xuru: you've tried the -v10 option?
[04-Oct-2010 16:30:14] <rmatte> zenmodeler -v10 -d blah
[04-Oct-2010 16:30:20] <xuru> ah
[04-Oct-2010 16:30:24] <xuru> ok
[04-Oct-2010 16:30:32] <rmatte> it's the max verbosity for the zenoss daemons
[04-Oct-2010 16:31:08] <xuru> ah, that's why:  Collection slots filled
[04-Oct-2010 16:31:16] <rmatte> hehe
[04-Oct-2010 16:31:22] <rmatte> I've never actually seen that before
[04-Oct-2010 16:31:26] <rmatte> fun new message
[04-Oct-2010 16:32:12] <xuru> bigegor: Well, I don't think it completely fixed it...  I get a ValueError: Ids can not be None now
[04-Oct-2010 16:32:27] <xuru> MsSqlDatabaseMap.py", line 131
[04-Oct-2010 16:32:57] <rmatte> oh oh Egor, unhappy customers  (kidding obviously)
[04-Oct-2010 16:33:04] <ashp> Today is not my day
[04-Oct-2010 16:33:11] <ashp> I deleted Service/Windows/WMI
[04-Oct-2010 16:33:14] <rmatte> ashp: oh?
[04-Oct-2010 16:33:18] <ashp> instead of the individual machines
[04-Oct-2010 16:33:22] <rmatte> yikes
[04-Oct-2010 16:33:32] <ashp> luckily i was deleting ALL the machines in WMI/
[04-Oct-2010 16:33:34] <bigegor> xuru: can you post you modifications somwhere?
[04-Oct-2010 16:33:38] <ashp> so it's not like it's causing me a problem but i feel dumb :/
[04-Oct-2010 16:33:46] <xuru> bigegor: sure 
[04-Oct-2010 16:34:12] <rmatte> ashp: well, I'm not going to say that you shouldn't, but !@#$ happens.
[04-Oct-2010 16:34:39] <xuru> bigegor: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/271067/
[04-Oct-2010 16:34:42] <ashp> At least I didn't destroy anything I needed, that's what I get for skipping afternoon coffee
[04-Oct-2010 16:35:10] <rmatte> lol
[04-Oct-2010 16:36:18] <xuru> hmm... shouldn't even be in that part of the code (line 131)
[04-Oct-2010 16:36:49] <xuru> zMsSqlSrvInstances is empty
[04-Oct-2010 16:37:25] * rmatte thinks he's in denial about the new UI
[04-Oct-2010 16:37:53] <rmatte> once in a while when I use it, especially for editing templated I get thoughts like "what the !@#$ were they thinking when they designed this?"
[04-Oct-2010 16:38:04] <bigegor> xuru: line 131, how it looks like?
[04-Oct-2010 16:38:06] <rmatte> templates*
[04-Oct-2010 16:38:25] <xuru> bigegor: I haven't changed it from what's in the latest git
[04-Oct-2010 16:39:30] <xuru> oh, I know...
[04-Oct-2010 16:39:55] <bigegor> xuru: but you have added new lines, i can not identify which line is 131 now.
[04-Oct-2010 16:39:55] <xuru> bigegor: the attribute exists, because I tried setting zMsSqlSrvInstances then blanked it out
[04-Oct-2010 16:40:30] <xuru> bigegor: oh, right, it's these two lines:
[04-Oct-2010 16:40:37] <xuru>             om = self.objectMap(inst)
[04-Oct-2010 16:40:37] <xuru>             om.id = self.prepId(om.dbsiname)
[04-Oct-2010 16:40:47] <xuru> in the method process
[04-Oct-2010 16:41:42] <xuru> yeah, so it would then fall into that for loop because there is an attribute; it's just empty
[04-Oct-2010 16:42:51] <xuru> hmm... after deleting the local zMsSqlSrvInstances attribute I still get the traceback
[04-Oct-2010 16:43:28] <xuru> bigegor: here is the traceback if you want to see:  http://paste.pocoo.org/show/271068/
[04-Oct-2010 16:45:19] <anvil14> hi all
[04-Oct-2010 16:45:35] <xuru> hey
[04-Oct-2010 16:45:38] <anvil14> I was wondering if there is a way where I can use a graph on another page without having to auth
[04-Oct-2010 16:46:59] <bigegor> xuru: it looks like you gets no instance name (dbsiname = None)
[04-Oct-2010 16:47:15] <xuru> true
[04-Oct-2010 16:48:47] <bigegor> xuru: try first sql query with isql
[04-Oct-2010 16:50:01] <xuru> there is no instance for that server
[04-Oct-2010 16:50:07] <xuru> as far as I know
[04-Oct-2010 16:51:27] <xuru> so maybe if there isn't an instance, we could put it into a 'default' instance?
[04-Oct-2010 16:52:54] <bigegor> xuru: default instace name is SQLServer i think
[04-Oct-2010 16:55:12] <bigegor> xuru: one more thing, rename pyodbc.so to pyodbc.old, and try to remodel device
[04-Oct-2010 16:55:38] <xuru> ok
[04-Oct-2010 16:58:49] <xuru> ok, ./.python-eggs/pyodbc-2.1.8-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg-tmp/pyodbc.so was the onlyone I could find
[04-Oct-2010 16:58:54] <xuru> and I renamed it
[04-Oct-2010 16:58:59] <xuru> same traceback
[04-Oct-2010 17:00:48] <bigegor> xuru: try this query with isql: SELECT CONVERT(Char(128), SERVERPROPERTY('InstanceName')) AS InstanceName
[04-Oct-2010 17:02:44] <xuru> nothing...  http://paste.pocoo.org/show/271076/
[04-Oct-2010 17:03:24] <xuru> this database was created and maintained by a bunch of morons for the last 8 years
[04-Oct-2010 17:04:02] <xuru> still I have to deal with it
[04-Oct-2010 17:04:17] <bigegor> xuru: the same query with SQL Management Studio?
[04-Oct-2010 17:04:32] <anvil14> ok I found how to do it however it prompts me for a login
[04-Oct-2010 17:04:48] <xuru> bigegor: I'm not on windows, but I can query it using exclipse if you want
[04-Oct-2010 17:04:55] <anvil14> so how can I use a graph from Zenoss on another page without suppling username / password
[04-Oct-2010 17:05:48] <xuru> bigegor: I get back NULL from DBViewer as well
[04-Oct-2010 17:06:05] <bigegor> xutu: hmm
[04-Oct-2010 17:06:15] <xuru> 
[04-Oct-2010 17:08:17] <bigegor> xuru: insert in line: if not om.dbsiname: om.dbsiname = 'MSSQLSERVER' befor om.id = self.prepId(om.dbsiname)
[04-Oct-2010 17:08:36] <rmatte> well, I'm done for the day, later guys
[04-Oct-2010 17:08:38] <xuru> ok
[04-Oct-2010 17:08:56] <bigegor> rmatte: bye
[04-Oct-2010 17:09:05] <xuru> rmatte: later
[04-Oct-2010 17:10:34] <xuru> no error 
[04-Oct-2010 17:11:12] <BKTEC> anyone know how to put the initial db initilization into a debug mode?
[04-Oct-2010 17:11:16] <xuru> sweet, we have a Databases component
[04-Oct-2010 17:11:48] <xuru> bigegor: they don't look too healthy though
[04-Oct-2010 17:12:03] <xuru> Total bytes and used bytes are 0.0B
[04-Oct-2010 17:12:27] <bigegor> xuru: wait 15 mins (3 collector cycles)
[04-Oct-2010 17:12:33] <xuru> ah, ok
[04-Oct-2010 17:13:13] <xuru> bigegor: will the templates show up then too?
[04-Oct-2010 17:14:17] <bigegor> xuru: Zenoss will bind templates to components automatically
[04-Oct-2010 17:15:53] <xuru> ah, ok, it's not a template that you have to bind yourself
[04-Oct-2010 17:15:55] <xuru> got it
[04-Oct-2010 17:16:09] <xuru> very nice BTW
[04-Oct-2010 17:16:11] <xuru> thanks
[04-Oct-2010 17:16:18] <bigegor> xuru: np
[04-Oct-2010 17:17:06] <xuru> bigegor: want me to submit those changes?
[04-Oct-2010 17:18:18] <xuru> ah, I found the contribution form
[04-Oct-2010 17:18:29] <bigegor> xuru: i'll do that tomorrow
[04-Oct-2010 17:18:49] <xuru> ok
[04-Oct-2010 17:19:13] <bigegor> xuru: thanks for pointing that out
[04-Oct-2010 17:19:19] <xuru> np
[04-Oct-2010 17:19:24] <xuru> I'm good at breaking things
[04-Oct-2010 17:19:33] <bigegor> 
[04-Oct-2010 17:19:38] <bigegor> i'm too
[04-Oct-2010 17:20:14] <bigegor> leter
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[05-Oct-2010 09:39:09] <rmatte> ericenns: you around?
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[05-Oct-2010 10:00:46] <rmatte> good day
[05-Oct-2010 10:02:26] <mray> howdy
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[05-Oct-2010 10:03:29] * rmatte is trying to wrap his head around creating a new datasource type
[05-Oct-2010 10:06:07] <Sam-I-Am> morning folks
[05-Oct-2010 10:09:20] <chachan> morning
[05-Oct-2010 10:16:07] <Parabola|Work> mray, you use a mac?
[05-Oct-2010 10:16:35] <fus10nx> When I get the alert messages and it sends the %(device)s - it's sending the IP address of the device - any way to send the name ?
[05-Oct-2010 10:17:34] <Parabola|Work> fus10nx,  yeah
[05-Oct-2010 10:17:39] <mray> Parabola|Work: yes
[05-Oct-2010 10:17:41] <Parabola|Work> if what happened to me is happening to you, anyway
[05-Oct-2010 10:17:48] <fus10nx> and what was that?
[05-Oct-2010 10:17:56] <Parabola|Work> fus10nx,  pull up the device , and look at the URL, is it /IP/ or /NAME
[05-Oct-2010 10:18:23] <Parabola|Work> theres a bug in 3, that when adding a device with a name, it doesnt actually add it by the name, its just setting some display property.. the device name is still the IP
[05-Oct-2010 10:18:30] <fus10nx> Device name is : AVIVA_FL_FEDERAL_HGHY
[05-Oct-2010 10:18:40] <Parabola|Work> not in the display box, in the URL?
[05-Oct-2010 10:18:50] <fus10nx> ah, yes, in the URL it's the IP address
[05-Oct-2010 10:18:53] <Parabola|Work> yeah
[05-Oct-2010 10:18:59] <Parabola|Work> click the gear, do "rename device"
[05-Oct-2010 10:19:04] <Parabola|Work> and enter in the name you want 
[05-Oct-2010 10:19:15] <Parabola|Work> when it refreshes, that URL should change from IP to the new device name
[05-Oct-2010 10:19:18] <Parabola|Work> that will fix your reports
[05-Oct-2010 10:19:22] <fus10nx> nice ! thanks a lot
[05-Oct-2010 10:19:27] <fus10nx> worked already - thanks a lot man
[05-Oct-2010 10:19:32] <Parabola|Work> due to my limited knowledge i was not able to script this
[05-Oct-2010 10:19:39] <Parabola|Work> i manually changed it on all of mine 
[05-Oct-2010 10:19:47] <fus10nx> luckily we just started
[05-Oct-2010 10:19:49] <Parabola|Work> but its def a bug in 3, glad it worked for you!
[05-Oct-2010 10:19:59] <fus10nx> yea much apprecaited
[05-Oct-2010 10:20:07] <Parabola|Work> anytime
[05-Oct-2010 10:20:09] <fus10nx> i figured it woulda happened automnatically when i entered in 'Device Name' but fair enough
[05-Oct-2010 10:20:14] <Parabola|Work> you would think 
[05-Oct-2010 10:20:20] <fus10nx> haha
[05-Oct-2010 10:20:20] * Parabola|Work pokes mray
[05-Oct-2010 10:20:59] * mray looks up
[05-Oct-2010 10:21:16] * fus10nx slaps mray around a bit with a large trout
[05-Oct-2010 10:21:27] <fus10nx> today should be 3rd person day
[05-Oct-2010 10:23:43] <Parabola|Work> mray,  its the display name bug i had mentioned a while back
[05-Oct-2010 10:24:13] <xuru> morning
[05-Oct-2010 10:24:46] <mray> Parabola|Work: is there a ticket for it? http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/report ?
[05-Oct-2010 10:30:19] <Parabola|Work> mray, no idea
[05-Oct-2010 10:30:29] <Parabola|Work> i didnt create one, didnt think i could
[05-Oct-2010 10:31:13] <Parabola|Work> wow, 211 results for "display name"
[05-Oct-2010 10:31:20] <Parabola|Work> when i get some free time ill take a look in there for it
[05-Oct-2010 10:31:24] <Parabola|Work> i cant do that now
[05-Oct-2010 10:31:39] <mray> Parabola|Work: creds are zenoss/zenoss
[05-Oct-2010 10:31:44] <Sam-I-Am> mray: whats the best way to file an enhancement request for the showgraph portlet?
[05-Oct-2010 10:31:48] <mray> or email me and I can give you your own account
[05-Oct-2010 10:32:07] <mray> Sam-I-Am: dev.zenoss.org
[05-Oct-2010 10:32:10] <Sam-I-Am> mray: seems like someone requested adding zoom/timeline buttons to it, but i cant find the actual request
[05-Oct-2010 10:32:28] <mray> Sam-I-Am: or a patch would be more likely to happen
[05-Oct-2010 10:33:07] <mray> there are something like 800 enhancements
[05-Oct-2010 10:33:30] <Sam-I-Am> well, its a third party portlet... not a core zenoss thing, if that matters.
[05-Oct-2010 10:35:15] <mray> Sam-I-Am: the site window portlet was incorporated into 2.5
[05-Oct-2010 10:35:24] <mray> Sam-I-Am: oh duh
[05-Oct-2010 10:35:29] <mray> show graph...
[05-Oct-2010 10:35:33] <Sam-I-Am> yez
[05-Oct-2010 10:35:59] <mray> zenpacks.zenoss.org has a Trac instance for community zenpacks, but it's virtually ignored
[05-Oct-2010 10:36:09] <mray> a comment on the zenpack page is more likely to get attention
[05-Oct-2010 10:36:30] <Sam-I-Am> aight
[05-Oct-2010 10:40:00] <xuru> mray: is the last part of your email .com or .org?
[05-Oct-2010 10:40:07] <Sam-I-Am> mray: i guess thats why it says most of the content moved to the wiki?
[05-Oct-2010 10:40:20] <xuru> mray: I want to get an account setup for trac
[05-Oct-2010 10:41:24] <mray> xuru: either works
[05-Oct-2010 10:41:30] <mray> just email me and I'll set you up
[05-Oct-2010 10:41:34] <xuru> ok, cool, thanks
[05-Oct-2010 10:51:34] <mray> done
[05-Oct-2010 10:51:50] <xuru> cool, thanks
[05-Oct-2010 10:52:53] <xuru> looking through the JMX tickets now 
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[05-Oct-2010 10:58:31] <tornado> Hi guys
[05-Oct-2010 10:58:40] <Sam-I-Am> howdy
[05-Oct-2010 10:59:03] <tornado> Have a question: if I have several suggestions about the Zenoss interface, where should I post them?
[05-Oct-2010 10:59:21] <Sam-I-Am> what sort of suggestions?
[05-Oct-2010 11:00:42] <tornado> Example.. Events section of some device. there is no "Return to the new" button.
[05-Oct-2010 11:01:11] <tornado> Also, there is no posibility to filter events
[05-Oct-2010 11:01:39] <tornado> and it's very annoing now, because Shift+click doesn't work 
[05-Oct-2010 11:02:20] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, i know i can filter events in zenoss 3
[05-Oct-2010 11:02:46] <tornado> ... on the some device event section?
[05-Oct-2010 11:03:14] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[05-Oct-2010 11:04:02] <Sam-I-Am> in zenoss 2 there's a search box for events
[05-Oct-2010 11:04:09] <Sam-I-Am> but its not an active filter
[05-Oct-2010 11:05:16] <Sam-I-Am> and return to new... you can change the state to 'new' ?
[05-Oct-2010 11:06:41] <zykes-> should it be "ok" to upgrade from Zenoss 2.5.2 to 3.0.2 ?
[05-Oct-2010 11:07:03] <Sam-I-Am> i suppose as long as you backup first and follow the update docs
[05-Oct-2010 11:07:41] <Simon4> zykes-: read the update docs carefully
[05-Oct-2010 11:07:50] <Simon4> it's a multi-step process, but doable
[05-Oct-2010 11:09:09] <tornado> Sorry Sam, but can you show me, where I can use the filter on that page? - http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/a/9/upload/4c840f61.png
[05-Oct-2010 11:10:21] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, mine looks different...
[05-Oct-2010 11:10:23] <fragfutter> tornado: in the events console
[05-Oct-2010 11:11:07] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, thats what i was looking at
[05-Oct-2010 11:11:13] <Sam-I-Am> durrr (need more coffee)
[05-Oct-2010 11:11:15] <tornado> But this is my suggestion - to make that possible at the Events section of the device
[05-Oct-2010 11:11:34] <fragfutter> tornado: more then ten active events on one device?
[05-Oct-2010 11:12:21] <Sam-I-Am> i know on 2.x there was a search box in device events
[05-Oct-2010 11:12:49] <tornado> several Acknolwged, and I don't want them to bother me
[05-Oct-2010 11:13:29] <tornado> OK. It seems like I can put questions/suggestions here 
[05-Oct-2010 11:14:23] <mray> tornado: I know we discussed that in a defect review, I'm pretty sure there's a ticket for it somewhere
[05-Oct-2010 11:16:05] <tornado> another question - is it possible to make the icons on the Infrastructure tree to be shaded if alerts are acknoleged?
[05-Oct-2010 11:20:40] <zykes-> well cause last time I did it i got alot of python errors..
[05-Oct-2010 11:21:01] <mray> tornado: you can open an enhancement request on http://dev.zenoss.org (user/pass zenoss/zenoss)
[05-Oct-2010 11:21:40] <mray> interestingly, if you turn on the row-based coloring, it does use shading
[05-Oct-2010 11:22:11] <zykes-> after upgrading a zenpack, then just issue a zopectl restart ?
[05-Oct-2010 11:22:24] <mray> zykes-: usually a good idea
[05-Oct-2010 11:22:32] <tornado> about shanding - maybe I've described bad.. 1 min - I'll make a screenshot
[05-Oct-2010 11:25:35] <tornado> http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/3/6/upload/6b86e297.png an icon in the green circle shall inform me somehow, that all event are acknoleged
[05-Oct-2010 11:26:19] <mray> yeah, open an enhancement for that
[05-Oct-2010 11:26:45] <mray> there are a bunch of tickets about events and acknowledgements, hopefully we'll roll them all up and sort it out
[05-Oct-2010 11:29:33] <tornado> ok. thanks
[05-Oct-2010 11:32:30] <klinstifen> morning all
[05-Oct-2010 11:32:40] <klinstifen> i have a couple old zip zenpacks i am converting to egg
[05-Oct-2010 11:32:54] <klinstifen> and when i go to install the egg it complains about the skins directory being missing
[05-Oct-2010 11:33:05] <klinstifen> i create that directory then do a reinstall of the egg and it works
[05-Oct-2010 11:33:19] <klinstifen> is there a way to modify the egg to include that skins directory?
[05-Oct-2010 11:33:29] <mray> klinstifen: the .egg is just a .zip file
[05-Oct-2010 11:33:37] <mray> so you can zip it up and rename it
[05-Oct-2010 11:34:14] <klinstifen> oh and just create the skins directory in the zip file...
[05-Oct-2010 11:34:17] <klinstifen> seems easy enough
[05-Oct-2010 11:34:24] <mray> yup
[05-Oct-2010 11:34:59] <klinstifen> oh it also threw an error about py2.4
[05-Oct-2010 11:35:08] <klinstifen> if i remove that from the name
[05-Oct-2010 11:35:10] <klinstifen> then it works
[05-Oct-2010 11:35:32] <klinstifen> should i just leave that part out of the name? or is this related to some misconfigured dependency thing?
[05-Oct-2010 11:41:56] <mray> the py2.4 is a hint to setup tools that it's a Python 2.4 .egg
[05-Oct-2010 11:42:09] <mray> if you're loading it into Zenoss 3.0, just drop the extension and it usually works
[05-Oct-2010 11:42:16] <mray> since Zenoss 3.0 is Python 2.6
[05-Oct-2010 11:44:17] <zykes-> any way i can fix ZenPacks.community.ZenODBC (broken)
[05-Oct-2010 11:46:11] <zykes-> tried installing the sqldatasource zenpack but "ERROR: zenpack command failed. Reason: AttributeError: 'ZenPack' object has no attribute '__of__'" ?
[05-Oct-2010 11:48:31] <rmatte> zykes-: what is the ZenPack filename at the moment?
[05-Oct-2010 11:48:46] <rmatte> I'm guessing it's a .egg.zip?
[05-Oct-2010 11:49:00] <zykes-> nop, ZenPacks.community.SQLDataSource-1.3.egg
[05-Oct-2010 11:49:06] <rmatte> hmmm
[05-Oct-2010 11:49:14] <rmatte> What version of Zenoss are you installing it in?
[05-Oct-2010 11:49:19] <zykes-> 2.5.2
[05-Oct-2010 11:49:46] <rmatte> I believe version 1.3 of that pack is specifically for 3.0
[05-Oct-2010 11:49:54] <rmatte> and very possibly not backwards compatible
[05-Oct-2010 11:49:58] <rmatte> try an older version of the pack
[05-Oct-2010 11:50:04] <zykes-> tried 1.0 as well
[05-Oct-2010 11:50:05] <zykes-> same thing
[05-Oct-2010 11:50:16] <rmatte> what's the full traceback when you try to install it?
[05-Oct-2010 11:50:21] <rmatte> that one line doesn't give me much to go on
[05-Oct-2010 11:50:50] <zykes-> how to get that ?
[05-Oct-2010 11:50:59] <rmatte> just install the pack
[05-Oct-2010 11:51:05] <rmatte> I'm sure you're getting more than just that 1 line
[05-Oct-2010 11:51:11] <rmatte> there should be like 20 to 30 of them
[05-Oct-2010 11:51:39] <rmatte> once you have it, visit fpaste.org paste it
[05-Oct-2010 11:51:44] <rmatte> and then paste the url for it here
[05-Oct-2010 11:51:51] <zykes-> http://pastebin.com/M1WHLuk0
[05-Oct-2010 11:52:11] <zykes-> that's 1.3
[05-Oct-2010 11:52:25] <zykes-> If i try 1.0 I get http://pastebin.com/gPLpKrNh
[05-Oct-2010 11:52:57] <klinstifen> @mray, k thanks
[05-Oct-2010 11:53:09] <rmatte> mhmmm
[05-Oct-2010 11:53:37] <rmatte> that second error is telling you that file doesn't exist
[05-Oct-2010 11:53:55] <rmatte> you're sure that /home/zenoss/zp/ZenPacks.community.SQLDataSource-1.0.egg is a valid path to a file?
[05-Oct-2010 11:54:30] <zykes-> i had deleted it, but unzipped again and tried, same as with 1.3
[05-Oct-2010 11:55:29] <rmatte> does it show up in the zenpacks list?
[05-Oct-2010 11:55:33] <rmatte> zenpack --list
[05-Oct-2010 11:55:44] <zykes-> http://pastebin.com/51sD2ff9
[05-Oct-2010 11:56:20] <rmatte> ?
[05-Oct-2010 11:56:27] <zykes-> it's not there no
[05-Oct-2010 11:56:43] <tornado> guys... I also had an error with "object has no attribute '__of__'"" whil upgrading (but it was ZenODBC). I don't remember even how exactely I've fixed that - but about 30 minutes was spended...
[05-Oct-2010 11:57:00] <rmatte> zykes-: Have you tried restarting Zenoss and reindexing?
[05-Oct-2010 11:57:14] <tornado> try to use "easy_install --site-dirs=$ZENHOME/ZenPacks -d $ZENHOME/ZenPacks path to egg"
[05-Oct-2010 11:57:39] <rmatte> actually, hold up...
[05-Oct-2010 11:57:45] <rmatte> as root, I'd like you to do...
[05-Oct-2010 11:57:47] <rmatte> updatedb
[05-Oct-2010 11:57:48] <rmatte> then
[05-Oct-2010 11:57:57] <rmatte> locate ZenPacks.community.SQLDataSource
[05-Oct-2010 11:58:00] <rmatte> paste the results
[05-Oct-2010 11:58:13] <rmatte> you probably have a stale folder laying around somewhere
[05-Oct-2010 11:58:22] <zykes-> maybe
[05-Oct-2010 11:59:16] <zykes-> yeh, there's "/opt/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.SQLDataSource-1.0.egg" and underneath
[05-Oct-2010 11:59:30] <rmatte> there's your problem
[05-Oct-2010 11:59:36] <rmatte> remove that directory
[05-Oct-2010 11:59:50] <rmatte> then try installing again
[05-Oct-2010 12:00:13] <zykes-> same error :/
[05-Oct-2010 12:00:28] <rmatte> now that you've remove that directory, restart zenoss
[05-Oct-2010 12:00:35] <rmatte> then go in to zendmd
[05-Oct-2010 12:00:38] <rmatte> reindex()
[05-Oct-2010 12:00:40] <rmatte> commit()
[05-Oct-2010 12:00:42] <rmatte> then exit zendmd
[05-Oct-2010 12:00:44] <rmatte> and try again
[05-Oct-2010 12:04:35] <zykes-> ouch
[05-Oct-2010 12:04:41] <zykes-> now i get errors on other zenpacks as well
[05-Oct-2010 12:05:17] <zykes-> "No handlers could be found for logger "root"
[05-Oct-2010 12:06:10] <rmatte> did you make it through the reindex?
[05-Oct-2010 12:06:33] <zykes-> yes
[05-Oct-2010 12:06:44] <rmatte> no errors on reindex or commit?
[05-Oct-2010 12:06:49] <zykes-> zendmd gives errors when starting, but not the reindex
[05-Oct-2010 12:06:52] <zykes-> nor commit
[05-Oct-2010 12:07:22] <rmatte> k
[05-Oct-2010 12:07:36] <rmatte> check the file $ZENHOME/ZenPacks/easy-install.pth
[05-Oct-2010 12:07:49] <rmatte> See if there is a line for ZenPacks.community.SQLDataSource
[05-Oct-2010 12:07:52] <rmatte> if so, remove it
[05-Oct-2010 12:08:34] <zykes-> did that
[05-Oct-2010 12:08:44] <zykes-> but still alot of errors around the logger root thing
[05-Oct-2010 12:13:47] <zykes-> I used the way tornado said ..
[05-Oct-2010 12:13:48] <zykes-> It worked
[05-Oct-2010 12:14:04] <rmatte> k
[05-Oct-2010 12:18:45] <zykes-> even though it still doesn't show in zenpack --list....
[05-Oct-2010 12:18:49] <zykes-> damned
[05-Oct-2010 12:18:57] <rmatte> reinstall it normally now
[05-Oct-2010 12:19:00] <rmatte> and it will
[05-Oct-2010 12:19:19] <zykes-> "ERROR: zenpack command failed. Reason: AttributeError: 'ZenPack' object has no attribute '__of__'"
[05-Oct-2010 12:19:26] <zykes-> still the same after the easy install
[05-Oct-2010 12:19:33] <zykes-> even with 1.0 and 1.3
[05-Oct-2010 12:19:43] * rmatte scratches his head
[05-Oct-2010 12:20:12] <rmatte> I wish it was my install, it's hard to troubleshoot stuff like this remotely lol
[05-Oct-2010 12:20:13] <zykes-> i do "easy_install --site-dirs=$ZENHOME/ZenPacks -d $ZENHOME/ZenPacks ZenPacks.community.SQLDataSource-1.3.egg"
[05-Oct-2010 12:20:25] <zykes-> then "zenpack --install ZenPacks.community.SQLDataSource-1.3.egg"
[05-Oct-2010 12:20:32] <rmatte> restart zenoss after the easy_install
[05-Oct-2010 12:20:37] <rmatte> then try zenpack --install again
[05-Oct-2010 12:22:08] <zykes-> http://pastebin.com/LgczMUTF
[05-Oct-2010 12:22:11] <zykes-> darnit
[05-Oct-2010 12:22:20] <rmatte> check in $ZENHOME/Products
[05-Oct-2010 12:22:29] <rmatte> do you see a folder in there matching the name of the ZenPack?
[05-Oct-2010 12:22:56] <zykes-> no, it's within $ZENHOME/ZenPacks
[05-Oct-2010 12:23:02] <rmatte> k
[05-Oct-2010 12:24:01] <zykes-> this happened the last time I tried to upgrade as well..
[05-Oct-2010 12:24:04] <zykes-> pretty annoying 
[05-Oct-2010 12:29:11] <zykes-> gah, guess i'll have to rollback 
[05-Oct-2010 12:30:20] <zykes-> mray: you got a clue ?
[05-Oct-2010 12:32:09] <mray> nope, you might want to keep an eye out for bigegor if he logs in
[05-Oct-2010 12:33:17] <zykes-> the worst thing is it's not the first time.
[05-Oct-2010 12:36:37] <rmatte> pretty sure I had that happen to me once and figured it out, but it was ages ago
[05-Oct-2010 12:39:04] <rmatte> http://www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg28498.html
[05-Oct-2010 12:39:07] <rmatte> according to that...
[05-Oct-2010 12:39:14] <rmatte> "That error is usually because zope is out of sync with the zeodb.   Restart
[05-Oct-2010 12:39:14] <rmatte> zope-- 'zopectl restart' or even better, 'zenoss restart'.
[05-Oct-2010 12:39:16] <rmatte> "
[05-Oct-2010 12:39:33] <rmatte> which you've tried
[05-Oct-2010 12:39:34] <rmatte> hmmm
[05-Oct-2010 12:39:58] <zykes-> don't know how many times i've tried that part 
[05-Oct-2010 12:40:10] <rmatte> yeh, I know
[05-Oct-2010 12:40:16] <rmatte> I'm looking for other options
[05-Oct-2010 12:41:09] <rmatte> so you're upgrading from what version to what version?
[05-Oct-2010 12:42:11] <zykes-> I'm wanting to install the SQLDatasource..
[05-Oct-2010 12:42:22] <rmatte> right, but you're doing a Zenoss upgrade as well?
[05-Oct-2010 12:42:39] <zykes-> later on
[05-Oct-2010 12:42:52] <zykes-> yes
[05-Oct-2010 12:43:05] <rmatte> so do you upgrade zenoss before or after you try upgrading the pack?
[05-Oct-2010 12:43:20] <zykes-> after
[05-Oct-2010 12:43:59] <rmatte> ok, so you haven't even attempted the upgrade yet then?
[05-Oct-2010 12:44:32] <zykes-> nopp
[05-Oct-2010 12:45:13] <zykes-> arg
[05-Oct-2010 12:45:23] <zykes-> now i'm starting to get angry at the thing
[05-Oct-2010 12:45:32] <zykes-> tried every solution I can come over
[05-Oct-2010 12:46:26] <rmatte> If you're able to roll back, perhaps you could try removing the old version of the pack, restarting zenoss, reindexing, and THEN installing the newer version
[05-Oct-2010 12:46:51] <zykes-> the problem is that in order to do that I need to remove like 4 other ones as well
[05-Oct-2010 12:46:55] <zykes-> pgsql etc
[05-Oct-2010 12:47:47] <zykes-> oh, lookie there
[05-Oct-2010 12:47:48] <rmatte> there's egor
[05-Oct-2010 12:48:04] <bigegor> hi
[05-Oct-2010 12:48:04] <rmatte> your problem might have to do with those other packs
[05-Oct-2010 12:48:09] <zykes-> bigegor: "ERROR: zenpack command failed. Reason: AttributeError: 'ZenPack' object has no attribute '__of__'"
[05-Oct-2010 12:48:21] <zykes->  zenpack --install ZenPacks.community.SQLDataSource-1.3.egg
[05-Oct-2010 12:48:23] <rmatte> afk for a few
[05-Oct-2010 12:48:23] <bigegor> and?
[05-Oct-2010 12:48:34] <zykes-> any suggestions ?
[05-Oct-2010 12:48:53] <bigegor> zenpack --list
[05-Oct-2010 12:49:25] <zykes-> http://pastebin.com/GnR0ip6x
[05-Oct-2010 12:50:09] <bigegor> ZenODBC brocken, remove it or reinstall
[05-Oct-2010 12:50:24] <zykes-> reinstall zenoss ?
[05-Oct-2010 12:50:37] <bigegor> ZenODBC zenPack
[05-Oct-2010 12:50:43] <zykes-> "ERROR: zenpack command failed. Reason: AttributeError: 'ZenPack' object has no attribute '__of__'"
[05-Oct-2010 12:50:47] <zykes-> on that as well
[05-Oct-2010 12:51:00] <zykes-> zenpack --remove ZenPacks.community.ZenODBC
[05-Oct-2010 12:52:37] <zykes-> any info needed ?
[05-Oct-2010 12:53:14] <bigegor> try to reinstall ZenODBC ZenPack
[05-Oct-2010 12:53:16] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[05-Oct-2010 12:54:15] <zykes-> gives the same error even for the same version as I had earlier
[05-Oct-2010 12:54:52] <zykes-> hmm, nvm, that worked
[05-Oct-2010 12:54:59] <zykes-> then try to install the odbc ?
[05-Oct-2010 12:55:03] <zykes-> sorry, sql datasource
[05-Oct-2010 12:55:57] <zykes-> ah, there goes !
[05-Oct-2010 12:56:28] <zykes-> thanks bigegor
[05-Oct-2010 12:56:35] <bigegor> np
[05-Oct-2010 12:57:33] <zykes-> Products.ZenModel.ZenPack seems to be missing now
[05-Oct-2010 12:58:04] <zykes-> nvm
[05-Oct-2010 12:58:43] <mistich> anyone see this error when creating a event ZenEventError: Required event field timeout not found:
[05-Oct-2010 13:23:16] <zykes-> rmatte: you got time to check 2 zenpacks ?
[05-Oct-2010 13:25:08] <rmatte> check?
[05-Oct-2010 13:25:20] <mistich> anyone see this error when creating a event ZenEventError: Required event field timeout not found:
[05-Oct-2010 13:25:37] <rmatte> mistich: no, I haven't, timeout isn't even an event field
[05-Oct-2010 13:25:44] <mistich> great
[05-Oct-2010 13:25:56] <rmatte> mistich: where are you even seeing that?
[05-Oct-2010 13:26:00] <rmatte> and what are you doing when you see it?
[05-Oct-2010 13:26:05] <rmatte> you're not giving us much to go on lol
[05-Oct-2010 13:26:23] <mistich> when you create a event from the gui
[05-Oct-2010 13:26:46] <mistich> nevermind I just created a group not a instance
[05-Oct-2010 13:27:30] <rmatte> k
[05-Oct-2010 13:27:45] <mistich> workaround 
[05-Oct-2010 13:29:06] <bigegor> xuru: you around?
[05-Oct-2010 13:40:19] <rmatte> bigegor: If I create a new datasource type, do I absolutely need to code a daemon for it?
[05-Oct-2010 13:40:40] <rmatte> Or is there some other way to generate the RRDs?
[05-Oct-2010 13:41:22] <bigegor> no
[05-Oct-2010 13:41:33] <rmatte> k
[05-Oct-2010 13:42:06] <rmatte> I want to code a new datasource type that allows me to do calculations between other datasources
[05-Oct-2010 13:42:16] <rmatte> then generate an RRD from the result
[05-Oct-2010 13:42:29] <rmatte> should be a fun project
[05-Oct-2010 13:43:01] <bigegor> if your datasource inherit from BasicDataSource, then zencommand daemon do that for you.
[05-Oct-2010 13:43:21] <rmatte> cool
[05-Oct-2010 13:43:31] <bigegor> i mean RRD reneration
[05-Oct-2010 13:43:37] <bigegor> generation
[05-Oct-2010 13:43:39] <rmatte> right
[05-Oct-2010 13:43:54] <rmatte> sounds like a plan
[05-Oct-2010 13:44:29] <rmatte> this is my first attempt at coding a datasource
[05-Oct-2010 13:44:51] <rmatte> I wish there were some blank datasource template somewhere that I could look at
[05-Oct-2010 13:44:55] <rmatte> that is just barebones code
[05-Oct-2010 13:45:08] <rmatte> but oh well, I'll just study the WMIDataSource pack
[05-Oct-2010 13:45:34] <bigegor> my zenperfwmi, zenperfwbem and zenperfsql daemons do calculations before writing RRDs
[05-Oct-2010 13:45:35] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[05-Oct-2010 13:46:08] <rmatte> cool
[05-Oct-2010 13:46:30] <rmatte> so I need the datasource, the skin, but not necessarily the daemon
[05-Oct-2010 13:46:38] <rmatte> anything else needed besides the datasource and the skin?
[05-Oct-2010 13:48:42] <bigegor> for zenoss 3.0 you need info.py, interfaces.py and configure.zcml
[05-Oct-2010 13:49:18] <mray> off to go do the Getting Started Webinar, see you there: http://forms.zenoss.com/getting-started
[05-Oct-2010 13:49:20] <rmatte> hmmmm
[05-Oct-2010 13:52:24] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[05-Oct-2010 14:01:24] <xuru> bigegor: I am now
[05-Oct-2010 14:01:58] <xuru> bigegor: I could use your help too
[05-Oct-2010 14:02:57] <bigegor> xuru: can you test this: http://github.com/epuzanov/Community-Zenpacks/blob/master/ZenPacks.community.MsSQLMon_ODBC/ZenPacks/community/MsSQLMon_ODBC/modeler/plugins/community/odbc/MsSqlDatabaseMap.py
[05-Oct-2010 14:03:18] <xuru> bigegor: sure np
[05-Oct-2010 14:03:31] <bigegor> xuru: thanks
[05-Oct-2010 14:06:21] <Parabola|Work> awesome
[05-Oct-2010 14:06:25] <Parabola|Work> office lost internet
[05-Oct-2010 14:06:47] <klinstifen> trying to import a zenpack i made in 2.5.2 into 3.0.2 and getting this error:
[05-Oct-2010 14:06:56] <xuru> bigegor: 2010-10-05 13:02:05,701 ERROR zen.ZenModeler: Unable to fill collection slots: [Failure instance: Traceback (failure with no frames): : 'list' object has no attribute 'strip' ]
[05-Oct-2010 14:07:08] <klinstifen> AttributeError: 'function' object has no attribute 'id'
[05-Oct-2010 14:07:15] <klinstifen> anyone have clues as to that meaning?
[05-Oct-2010 14:08:20] <xuru> bigegor: I think you need to do something like [x.strip().upper() for x in opt.split('=')]
[05-Oct-2010 14:09:01] <bigegor> no, options = [opt.split('=')[0].strip().upper() for opt in cs[0].split(';')]
[05-Oct-2010 14:09:09] <newmon> Hi everyone... good day
[05-Oct-2010 14:09:40] <newmon> I'm trying to understand how I would go about monitoring Java OOM alerts within Zenoss
[05-Oct-2010 14:10:10] <xuru> bigegor: ok,that works
[05-Oct-2010 14:10:41] <xuru> bigegor: nice work 
[05-Oct-2010 14:10:56] <bigegor> xuru: thanks
[05-Oct-2010 14:12:32] <xuru> bigegor: so if the option is already in the connection string, it just leaves it alone
[05-Oct-2010 14:12:53] <bigegor> yes
[05-Oct-2010 14:13:06] <xuru> cool, works for me
[05-Oct-2010 14:13:42] <xuru> However, I can't seem to get any data back from the servers
[05-Oct-2010 14:14:47] <zykes-> rmatte: yeh, the web zenpack
[05-Oct-2010 14:14:50] <zykes-> how can i convert it ?
[05-Oct-2010 14:15:57] <xuru> bigegor: ok, i have three sql servers, one is a 2000, and two are 2008
[05-Oct-2010 14:16:22] <xuru> we're going to be converting the 2000 to a 2008, so I'm not too worried about that one
[05-Oct-2010 14:16:41] <bigegor> xuru: 2000 is not supported for now
[05-Oct-2010 14:16:46] <xuru> yeah
[05-Oct-2010 14:17:11] <xuru> bigegor: I get the following message from the /Status/PyDBAPI eventclass:
[05-Oct-2010 14:17:13] <xuru> Could not fetch data from source (Received error (('00000', '[ISQL]ERROR: Could not SQLExecute')) from query
[05-Oct-2010 14:17:24] <xuru> I wont paste to whole sql statement
[05-Oct-2010 14:17:52] <xuru> any ideas on what might be going on?
[05-Oct-2010 14:18:00] <bigegor> you got this error from sql 2000 server?
[05-Oct-2010 14:18:06] <xuru> no, 2008
[05-Oct-2010 14:18:14] <xuru> well, all three actually
[05-Oct-2010 14:18:43] <xuru> could it be the db user?
[05-Oct-2010 14:18:47] <newmon> I hate to poke my nose in while y'all are working, but would it be possible if someone could send me a link in regards to Java Out Of Memory (OOM) errors being monitored by Zenoss. I have not been able to find much on the web.
[05-Oct-2010 14:18:55] <xuru> I'm using one that has only readonly
[05-Oct-2010 14:19:39] <bigegor> xuru: i think, this can be a problem
[05-Oct-2010 14:20:07] <xuru> I should try it with sa just to see if it works
[05-Oct-2010 14:22:16] <bigegor> xuru: SQL 2000 doesn't support PIVOT statements is queries.
[05-Oct-2010 14:22:41] <xuru> bigegor: yeah, I figured that
[05-Oct-2010 14:22:44] <bigegor> in queries
[05-Oct-2010 14:22:55] <xuru> but the two 2008 servers should
[05-Oct-2010 14:23:04] <bigegor> yes
[05-Oct-2010 14:26:11] <xuru> ok, using sa works on the 2008 sql servers
[05-Oct-2010 14:26:40] <xuru> so there must be some permissions that the "readonly" user needs
[05-Oct-2010 14:27:22] <bigegor> xuru: i think this can be a problem: DECLARE @tt TABLE (dbname varchar(50), UnallocatedSpace bigint, Status int)
[05-Oct-2010 14:28:00] <xuru> so the user needs table creation rights
[05-Oct-2010 14:28:38] <bigegor> i think so
[05-Oct-2010 14:28:49] <xuru> I'll try that for you
[05-Oct-2010 14:39:35] <xuru> I couldn't find a way to give the db login rights to create tables and still stay readonly
[05-Oct-2010 14:40:00] <xuru> it seems like you ether have the rights to read and write or not
[05-Oct-2010 14:41:42] <xuru> bigegor: do you have a link that explains the different queries for statistics?  It would be interesting to see what I can do to work around this, or come up with an alternate solution
[05-Oct-2010 14:43:26] <bigegor> xuru: which link do you means?
[05-Oct-2010 14:43:49] <xuru> any websites that could be of use to figuring this out
[05-Oct-2010 14:44:07] <xuru> I'm no sql expert 
[05-Oct-2010 14:44:33] <bigegor> xuru: i'm also
[05-Oct-2010 14:45:22] <xuru> sweet, on the first 2008 server, I had set it to sa and it's now showing graphs and stuff 
[05-Oct-2010 14:45:39] <xuru> maybe I'll just use a different sql login and call it a day
[05-Oct-2010 14:52:09] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[05-Oct-2010 15:18:16] <suprsonic> so I'm trying to get my wmi user/pass working
[05-Oct-2010 15:18:38] <suprsonic> the test example in the docs product a sucessful result, but not within zenoss.  am I missing anything?
[05-Oct-2010 15:22:29] <xuru> bigegor: http://www.mssqlcity.com/Articles/Undoc/SQL2000UndocSP.htm
[05-Oct-2010 15:22:38] <xuru> bigegor: found that real interesting
[05-Oct-2010 15:23:13] <xuru> suprsonic: did you try it from the command line with wmic?
[05-Oct-2010 15:23:31] <suprsonic> let me try xuru
[05-Oct-2010 15:24:04] <bigegor> xuru: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187961.aspx
[05-Oct-2010 15:24:33] <xuru> hehe, nice
[05-Oct-2010 15:25:54] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[05-Oct-2010 15:26:18] <bigegor> xuru: access performance data within sql server: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms189806.aspx
[05-Oct-2010 15:27:32] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[05-Oct-2010 15:29:44] <xuru> bigegor: this works pretty slick:  EXEC sp_MSforeachtable @command1=\"EXEC sp_spaceused '?'\"
[05-Oct-2010 15:29:48] <suprsonic> odd xuru commandline worked
[05-Oct-2010 15:30:29] <suprsonic> but still fails in zenoss
[05-Oct-2010 15:30:37] <xuru> suprsonic: hmm... I would check the zproperties at the device to see if they are over written or something
[05-Oct-2010 15:30:54] <suprsonic> good call
[05-Oct-2010 15:31:13] <xuru> if it's a common user/pass (i.e. domain admin) I usually just set it at the /Device/Servers/Windows level
[05-Oct-2010 15:31:27] <suprsonic> which I am
[05-Oct-2010 15:32:04] <suprsonic> could my special chars in the password be messing it up?
[05-Oct-2010 15:32:30] <xuru> maybe...  I'm no zenoss expert
[05-Oct-2010 15:32:42] <bigegor> xuru: sp_MSforeachtable is not officially supported by Microsoft and can be any time deprecated
[05-Oct-2010 15:32:45] <xuru> you could try modeling a device from the command line to see the output as well
[05-Oct-2010 15:32:57] <xuru> bigegor: true
[05-Oct-2010 15:33:14] <suprsonic> oddly enough, all the queries aren't locking the AD account
[05-Oct-2010 15:33:29] <suprsonic> you'd think with all of the denials, it would lock the account
[05-Oct-2010 15:33:40] <xuru> hehe, you would think
[05-Oct-2010 15:33:50] <xuru> suprsonic: zenmonitor run -v 10 -d mydevice.domain.com
[05-Oct-2010 15:33:54] <xuru> as the zenoss user
[05-Oct-2010 15:34:08] <xuru> -v 10 is debug, so look forward to lots of text
[05-Oct-2010 15:35:28] <suprsonic> opdd
[05-Oct-2010 15:35:31] <suprsonic> file doens't exist
[05-Oct-2010 15:35:33] <suprsonic> zenmonitor
[05-Oct-2010 15:35:50] <xuru> doh, zenmodeler
[05-Oct-2010 15:35:54] <xuru> heh
[05-Oct-2010 15:36:12] <xuru> might help if I could spell 
[05-Oct-2010 15:36:29] <suprsonic> k
[05-Oct-2010 15:36:29] <suprsonic> trying
[05-Oct-2010 15:36:40] <suprsonic> wow
[05-Oct-2010 15:36:42] <suprsonic> lots of output
[05-Oct-2010 15:41:18] <suprsonic> seems to have worked xuru
[05-Oct-2010 15:41:26] <suprsonic> still doesn't help with zenoss though
[05-Oct-2010 15:42:08] <xuru> that's what zenoss runs to collect it's information.
[05-Oct-2010 15:42:26] <xuru> did you try modeling the device from the webpage and look at it's output?
[05-Oct-2010 15:42:41] <suprsonic> yes
[05-Oct-2010 15:42:45] <suprsonic> I looked at its output
[05-Oct-2010 15:42:48] <suprsonic> looks fine
[05-Oct-2010 15:42:58] <xuru> so what isn't being updated?
[05-Oct-2010 15:43:43] <suprsonic> when I enable wmi on the windows sub cat, it says access denied
[05-Oct-2010 15:44:13] <xuru> when you model a device in that sub category?
[05-Oct-2010 15:44:19] <suprsonic> yes
[05-Oct-2010 15:44:25] <suprsonic> well, all of the devices are there
[05-Oct-2010 15:44:41] <suprsonic> so I just enable winuser at the category
[05-Oct-2010 15:44:48] <suprsonic> then all of the emails come in saying FU!
[05-Oct-2010 15:44:55] <xuru> hehe
[05-Oct-2010 15:45:12] <suprsonic> oops
[05-Oct-2010 15:45:14] <suprsonic> I think I found it
[05-Oct-2010 15:45:41] <suprsonic> grrr
[05-Oct-2010 15:45:47] <suprsonic> its been the evenlog this whole time
[05-Oct-2010 15:45:54] <xuru> doh
[05-Oct-2010 15:48:03] <xuru> suprsonic: well, at least you know how to track down issues if you need too
[05-Oct-2010 15:48:13] <suprsonic> hahah
[05-Oct-2010 15:48:14] <suprsonic> yup
[05-Oct-2010 15:48:17] <suprsonic> thanks for the help xuru
[05-Oct-2010 15:48:21] <xuru> np
[05-Oct-2010 15:48:54] <suprsonic> by chance are you running3x?
[05-Oct-2010 15:49:01] <xuru> yeah
[05-Oct-2010 15:49:04] <xuru> 3.0.2
[05-Oct-2010 15:49:27] <suprsonic> under infrastructure, what does the little snow flake denote?
[05-Oct-2010 15:49:34] <suprsonic> rather than a green check
[05-Oct-2010 15:50:23] <theacolyte> It means that you're a beautiful little snowflake and everything is OK
[05-Oct-2010 15:50:38] <suprsonic> wow
[05-Oct-2010 15:51:18] <xuru> heh, it means there is an event, and it has that severity
[05-Oct-2010 15:51:24] <xuru> I think info?
[05-Oct-2010 15:51:38] <suprsonic> ah sweet
[05-Oct-2010 15:52:28] <xuru> yeah, severity 1, where the caution triangle it severity 3
[05-Oct-2010 15:53:28] <xuru> orange triangle is 4, and 5 is the red
[05-Oct-2010 15:53:50] <suprsonic> perfect thanks
[05-Oct-2010 16:00:06] <newmon> hi again
[05-Oct-2010 16:00:25] <newmon> i've installed the Jave JMX zenpack and configured some data points, yet my graph remains empty
[05-Oct-2010 16:00:38] <newmon> and thoughts or resources I could take a look at?
[05-Oct-2010 16:00:43] <newmon> i can provide more details as needed
[05-Oct-2010 16:14:07] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[05-Oct-2010 16:15:07] <Parabola|Work> anyone run into a clean 3.0.2 install where the buttons on the bottom bar do not show up?
[05-Oct-2010 16:16:21] mrayzenoss1 is now known as mray
[05-Oct-2010 16:16:44] <Parabola|Work> i'll try reinstalling
[05-Oct-2010 16:16:46] <Parabola|Work> i have no idea
[05-Oct-2010 16:30:51] <chachan> Parabola|Work, It happend to me once. I resolved it cleanning my browser cache
[05-Oct-2010 16:31:35] <chachan> browser's cache*
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[05-Oct-2010 17:21:13] <juanman> hi, anyone uses zenoss for db2 monithoring?
[05-Oct-2010 17:26:30] <juanman> i've found the check_db2_health nagios plugin, but i dont know if work in zenoss
[05-Oct-2010 17:26:56] <xuru> is it snmp?
[05-Oct-2010 17:27:15] <mray> it should work with a Command Data source
[05-Oct-2010 17:31:38] <newmon> Hi mray, can you point me to a resource that will help me configure an alert for monitoring Java OOM errors?
[05-Oct-2010 17:31:58] <newmon> I have installed the JMX zenpack, setup data points and the graph, but it is not populated
[05-Oct-2010 17:32:18] <newmon> i used the following as a template docs/DOC-8039
[05-Oct-2010 17:33:43] <mray> newmon: did you test it with jconsole from the zenoss box?
[05-Oct-2010 17:33:53] <newmon> i have not
[05-Oct-2010 17:33:57] <newmon> i will try that now
[05-Oct-2010 17:34:23] <mray> also, make sure the jdk version is correct and the zenjmx daemon has started
[05-Oct-2010 17:38:45] <chachan> it's needy restart zenoss if I install a MySQL monitor Zenpack?
[05-Oct-2010 17:39:16] <chachan> I can't see the "zMySqlRootPassword"
[05-Oct-2010 17:39:52] <mray> chachan: at least zopectl
[05-Oct-2010 17:39:57] <chachan> cool
[05-Oct-2010 17:40:14] <mray> 9 times out of 10, zopectl needs to be restarted after a zenpack installation
[05-Oct-2010 17:40:55] <chachan> mm, that's a great info for me, I'm about to install like 5 zenpack right now 
[05-Oct-2010 17:44:45] <imeyer> chachan: are you gonna use the MySQLSSH zenpack?
[05-Oct-2010 17:45:37] <chachan> no, I installed "MYSQL MONITOR". this one: docs/DOC-3501
[05-Oct-2010 17:45:39] <chachan> why?
[05-Oct-2010 17:45:59] <imeyer> ah, i was trying to get the mysqlssh one working, but got stuck
[05-Oct-2010 17:46:10] <imeyer> so was curious if you were using it and how you got it to work 
[05-Oct-2010 17:48:28] <chachan> why don't you use "MYSQL MONITOR"?
[05-Oct-2010 17:48:41] <imeyer> cause i want to do it via ssh
[05-Oct-2010 17:49:49] <mray> mysql monitor requires port 3306
[05-Oct-2010 17:50:08] <mray> the SSH one connects to the machine via SSH and makes the calls locally
[05-Oct-2010 17:50:48] <chachan> mm, that's something that I need to check out
[05-Oct-2010 17:52:11] <xuru> how do I ignore a whole eventclass?
[05-Oct-2010 17:52:15] <chachan> I'm able to allow zenoss connection through MySQL port, so, that isn't a problem for me
[05-Oct-2010 17:52:28] <xuru> and I'll want to turn it back on later
[05-Oct-2010 17:53:31] <mray> xuru: you can go modify the event class to lower the priority, send events straight to history or drop them completely
[05-Oct-2010 17:53:45] <xuru> zEventAction?
[05-Oct-2010 17:54:55] <xuru> I take it existing events in the event viewer will be unaffected, and only future ones will?
[05-Oct-2010 17:55:23] <xuru> ah, yep, I can see them coming in now
[05-Oct-2010 17:59:23] <xuru> Why is it that I keep getting SNMP agent down and when I do an snmpwalk from the zenoss server, it completes just fine?
[05-Oct-2010 18:00:11] <mray> xuru: probably timing out somewhere
[05-Oct-2010 18:00:58] <xuru> where should I set a good timeout?
[05-Oct-2010 18:01:21] <xuru> zCollectorClientTimeout?
[05-Oct-2010 18:01:36] <xuru> or zSnmpTimeout?
[05-Oct-2010 18:05:39] <mray> zSnmpTimeout
[05-Oct-2010 18:05:50] <xuru> ok, thanks
[05-Oct-2010 18:06:07] <mray> new Asterisk 1.6 SNMP ZenPack: docs/DOC-8497
[05-Oct-2010 18:14:50] <mray> new Huawei Switches Zenpack: docs/DOC-8498
[05-Oct-2010 18:16:38] <fus10nx> there's no way to have multiple google maps?
[05-Oct-2010 18:17:20] <mray> sure you can
[05-Oct-2010 18:17:30] <mray> just add additional map portlets
[05-Oct-2010 18:17:37] <fus10nx> oh
[05-Oct-2010 18:17:38] <fus10nx> ha
[05-Oct-2010 18:17:47] <fus10nx> but like you said i cant have one zoomed in and stayed that way, right ?
[05-Oct-2010 18:18:29] <fus10nx> its tough to view it all the way zoomed out because we have like 50 locations in NYC so they look like 1 dot on the map but then sites in Florida and Arizona so you see those clearly
[05-Oct-2010 18:21:49] <mray> you can set them to a starting Location
[05-Oct-2010 18:22:05] <mray> so if you have NYC and it has 50 sublocations, set it to /NYC
[05-Oct-2010 18:22:11] <mray> and set the other to /
[05-Oct-2010 18:22:35] <mray> new Iomega NAS ZenPack: docs/DOC-8499
[05-Oct-2010 18:22:55] <imeyer> iomega still exists?
[05-Oct-2010 18:23:09] <mray> that was my reaction 
[05-Oct-2010 18:23:52] <imeyer> haha
[05-Oct-2010 18:23:56] <mray> this is all part of Andrea's plan to flood the contest with ZenPacks
[05-Oct-2010 18:24:02] <mray> I'm publishing 8 new ones for him today
[05-Oct-2010 18:24:30] <fus10nx> ahhhh I see !
[05-Oct-2010 18:25:33] <Parabola> maaaaat
[05-Oct-2010 18:27:31] <fus10nx> hmmmm
[05-Oct-2010 18:28:25] <imeyer> that's awesome tho 
[05-Oct-2010 18:28:46] <fus10nx> mray: can you show me a screen shot example of how to setup the locations so I can do that? I've setup FL (no address) then under FL an address and in that address a device -- then I setup NY (no address) then under NY a few address and 1 device at each address but it's not mapping any points on the map now
[05-Oct-2010 18:29:00] <mray> new Lenovo ThinkServer ZenPack: docs/DOC-8500
[05-Oct-2010 18:29:15] <fus10nx> or do I have to set the root of the FL and NY as some address? Maybe just enter the state name ?
[05-Oct-2010 18:30:18] <fus10nx> Ahhh yes, nice ! got it !
[05-Oct-2010 18:30:31] <fus10nx> thanksmray
[05-Oct-2010 18:31:15] <mray> fus10nx: http://imagebin.org/117180
[05-Oct-2010 18:31:41] <mray> I've got 2 locations, Austin and Annapolis
[05-Oct-2010 18:31:46] <fus10nx> woah ! what's that weather wideget
[05-Oct-2010 18:31:48] <mray> Annapolis could have sub-locations
[05-Oct-2010 18:31:49] <fus10nx> and the event count
[05-Oct-2010 18:31:51] <fus10nx> how u have all those?!
[05-Oct-2010 18:31:54] <mray> it's just the site-window portlet
[05-Oct-2010 18:32:17] <mray> using http://weather.yahoo.com/images/s_central_sat_440x297.jpg
[05-Oct-2010 18:32:31] <mray> check out docs/DOC-5334
[05-Oct-2010 18:33:03] <fus10nx> man i'd LOVE to get our ticket system integrated
[05-Oct-2010 18:34:11] <davetoo> I refused to integrate ours
[05-Oct-2010 18:34:26] <davetoo> because I wasn't given enough resources to stop the massive alert floods that happened someitmes
[05-Oct-2010 18:34:30] <davetoo> sometimes network problems,
[05-Oct-2010 18:34:38] <davetoo> sometimes user PEBKAC
[05-Oct-2010 18:35:06] <davetoo> so without summarization/rate limiting, it would just have made a second problem (ticket cleanup) to add to the first
[05-Oct-2010 18:36:06] <mray> yeah, talk to rmatte about the work he's done for their integration
[05-Oct-2010 18:37:52] <fus10nx> awww
[05-Oct-2010 18:37:54] <fus10nx> so it's only images
[05-Oct-2010 18:37:56] <fus10nx> not real time data 
[05-Oct-2010 18:38:23] * davetoo is hoping I don't get rained on on my way home... I rode my moto to the office
[05-Oct-2010 18:42:22] <mray> new Microtick Router ZenPack: docs/DOC-8521
[05-Oct-2010 18:42:48] <fus10nx> mray: is there an overall uptime report thats easy to create - one for ALL uptime and one for device specific uptime ?
[05-Oct-2010 18:43:09] <mray> not sure about the all uptime
[05-Oct-2010 18:44:51] <Parabola> mines "integrated"
[05-Oct-2010 18:45:12] <Parabola> ie, emails goto the helpdesk, and if it fixes its self, it closes the ticket based on the CLEAR
[05-Oct-2010 18:48:29] <mray> new Motorola PTP & Canopy Wireless ZenPack: docs/DOC-8522
[05-Oct-2010 18:49:27] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[05-Oct-2010 18:49:54] <mray> I'll have to do the other 2 after I get home tonight
[05-Oct-2010 18:50:08] <mray> MS IAS Radius and Ubiquiti NanoStations
[05-Oct-2010 18:50:15] <mray> later all
[05-Oct-2010 18:50:23] <xuru> night MrWGW
[05-Oct-2010 18:50:28] <xuru> doh
[05-Oct-2010 18:50:32] <xuru> wasn't fast enough
[05-Oct-2010 18:51:17] <fus10nx> where do i get that event count report
[05-Oct-2010 20:35:58] Cal is now known as Guest67796
[05-Oct-2010 20:36:43] <Guest67796> Hi folks.  having an issue with 2.5.2.  I've just upgraded.  Generally all good.  but for one remote collector.  the OS tab takes forever to load.  can anyone point me in the right direction?
[05-Oct-2010 22:17:06] <JuStIcIa_> Hello is any one alive ?
[05-Oct-2010 23:06:06] <Orv> Just barely...
[05-Oct-2010 23:21:42] <JuStIcIa_> Hello is any one alive ?
[05-Oct-2010 23:21:49] <JuStIcIa_> i have one question
[05-Oct-2010 23:22:08] <Orv> Ask it.
[05-Oct-2010 23:25:26] <JuStIcIa_> Man
[05-Oct-2010 23:25:40] <JuStIcIa_> i have many routers cisco and i want install zenoss core
[05-Oct-2010 23:26:21] <JuStIcIa_> i can install the same mibs of cisco for the version 2.6
[05-Oct-2010 23:26:25] <JuStIcIa_> a mean
[05-Oct-2010 23:26:48] <JuStIcIa_> the MIB zenpack 2.6 is compatible with the new version of zenoss 3.0.2
[05-Oct-2010 23:26:49] <JuStIcIa_>  ?
[05-Oct-2010 23:27:08] <Orv> Let me check, but I believe that is correct.  One minute...
[05-Oct-2010 23:27:51] <Orv> Yes, the 2.6 Cisco MIB Zenpack is the one you want for Zenoss 3.0.2.
[05-Oct-2010 23:28:32] <JuStIcIa_> 
[05-Oct-2010 23:28:46] <JuStIcIa_> Man the zenoss version 2.5 have many bugs for the cisco devices
[05-Oct-2010 23:28:52] <Orv> Read the notes about the zenpack, though.
[05-Oct-2010 23:28:55] <JuStIcIa_> the new version correct that erros ?
[05-Oct-2010 23:29:01] <JuStIcIa_> errors*
[05-Oct-2010 23:29:10] <Orv> I don't know - I haven't used it for Cisco enough myself yet.
[05-Oct-2010 23:29:29] <JuStIcIa_> 
[05-Oct-2010 23:36:04] <JuStIcIa_> man
[05-Oct-2010 23:36:28] <JuStIcIa_> they exist one form to monitoring Asterisk without the zenpack for asterisk
[05-Oct-2010 23:36:34] <JuStIcIa_> ?
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[06-Oct-2010 03:15:28] <rbw> Yelo
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[06-Oct-2010 04:38:55] <tornado> is everybody sleeping there now?
[06-Oct-2010 04:48:58] <zykes-> tornado: nopp
[06-Oct-2010 04:49:08] <zykes-> just not working with zenoss atm
[06-Oct-2010 04:50:40] <tornado> I have a small question about the "zPingFailTresh" property...
[06-Oct-2010 04:51:17] <tornado> So, I need someone from Zenoss Inc. 
[06-Oct-2010 04:52:31] <Simon4> or read the source of zenping.py 
[06-Oct-2010 05:45:19] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[06-Oct-2010 05:56:19] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[06-Oct-2010 06:01:38] <tornado> <Simon4> I just want to ask, why default value is 168?
[06-Oct-2010 06:02:00] <Simon4> hmmm
[06-Oct-2010 08:56:36] <zumple> hello, is there a way to do a manually refresh of the status of some devices in the web gui?
[06-Oct-2010 09:06:27] <klinstifen> morning
[06-Oct-2010 09:06:41] <klinstifen> anyone having issues with snmpwalk command through the gui in 3.0.2?
[06-Oct-2010 09:06:47] <klinstifen> it doesn't work for me in chrome
[06-Oct-2010 09:06:49] <klinstifen> but it does in ff
[06-Oct-2010 09:07:31] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm
[06-Oct-2010 09:07:39] <Sam-I-Am> i know modeling works... let me give snmpwalk a try
[06-Oct-2010 09:08:01] <klinstifen> yeah modeling works for me too
[06-Oct-2010 09:08:04] <klinstifen> in chrome
[06-Oct-2010 09:09:05] <Sam-I-Am> so... commands->snmpwalk for a device?
[06-Oct-2010 09:09:40] <klinstifen> right
[06-Oct-2010 09:09:55] <klinstifen> actually none of the commands work
[06-Oct-2010 09:10:07] <Sam-I-Am> they work here... open a similar window thing to modeling
[06-Oct-2010 09:10:07] <klinstifen> any work for you in chrome?
[06-Oct-2010 09:10:13] <klinstifen> huh
[06-Oct-2010 09:10:14] <Sam-I-Am> this is in firefox
[06-Oct-2010 09:10:21] <klinstifen> oh yeah in ff it works
[06-Oct-2010 09:10:24] <klinstifen> do you ahve chrome?
[06-Oct-2010 09:10:27] <Sam-I-Am> ah, right...
[06-Oct-2010 09:10:30] <imeyer> yeah they don't work in safari either
[06-Oct-2010 09:10:38] <imeyer> probably a webkit thing
[06-Oct-2010 09:10:39] <klinstifen> oh good
[06-Oct-2010 09:10:48] <klinstifen> finally a 3.0.2 issue that isn't just me
[06-Oct-2010 09:10:53] <imeyer> meant to file a bug, just haven't yet 
[06-Oct-2010 09:11:31] <Sam-I-Am> klinstifen: yep, its broken
[06-Oct-2010 09:11:47] <klinstifen> ok thx for confirming
[06-Oct-2010 09:26:55] <ericenns> good morning
[06-Oct-2010 09:42:32] <Parabola|Work> good morning
[06-Oct-2010 09:44:05] <suprsonic> so I installed the wmi data source and mapped WMIDevice as a template, but the graphs are mapping data.
[06-Oct-2010 09:44:20] <Parabola|Work> maybe you worded that wrong
[06-Oct-2010 09:44:24] <Parabola|Work> none of that sounded bad
[06-Oct-2010 09:44:54] <suprsonic> aren't
[06-Oct-2010 09:44:56] <suprsonic> sorry
[06-Oct-2010 09:45:35] <Parabola|Work> ah
[06-Oct-2010 09:45:39] <Parabola|Work> are you getting nan% s?
[06-Oct-2010 09:47:20] <Parabola|Work> if so, remember the graphed data takes at least 15 minutes to show up
[06-Oct-2010 09:47:36] <suprsonic> there is goes
[06-Oct-2010 09:47:37] <suprsonic> thanks
[06-Oct-2010 09:47:44] <Parabola|Work> np
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[06-Oct-2010 10:00:03] <xuru_> howdy
[06-Oct-2010 10:03:15] <Parabola|Work> good morning
[06-Oct-2010 10:21:26] <imeyer> morning!
[06-Oct-2010 10:26:07] <Parabola|Work> do i have to pay some piper to make auto discovery worK?
[06-Oct-2010 10:26:52] <makkalot> hi i downloaded the .bin for fedora the instalation goes well but at the end of the instalation, where it says that it is initializing the mysql i get an error, that can not connect to mysql, mysql is up and i can connect to it via command line ,any ideas ?
[06-Oct-2010 10:27:57] <Parabola|Work> wrong pass during setup?
[06-Oct-2010 10:27:58] <rmatte> makkalot: do you already have MySQL installed on the server before you start the install?
[06-Oct-2010 10:28:03] <makkalot> yes
[06-Oct-2010 10:28:06] <makkalot> rmatte:
[06-Oct-2010 10:28:13] <rmatte> then that's your problem
[06-Oct-2010 10:28:21] <rmatte> the .bin install comes bundled with it's own MySQL
[06-Oct-2010 10:28:26] <rmatte> so the two are conflicting
[06-Oct-2010 10:28:49] <makkalot> rmatte: if i turn of the mine is it ok ?
[06-Oct-2010 10:29:05] <Parabola|Work> if its a zenoss box
[06-Oct-2010 10:29:10] <Parabola|Work> why not just remove it
[06-Oct-2010 10:29:13] <Parabola|Work> and let zenoss do its thing
[06-Oct-2010 10:29:23] <rmatte> makkalot: yeh, you really should install Zenoss on a clean server
[06-Oct-2010 10:29:40] <makkalot> Parabola|Work: just trying zenoss
[06-Oct-2010 10:29:42] <rmatte> makkalot: it's not advisable to install it on a server that is already serving a different purpose
[06-Oct-2010 10:30:13] <rmatte> makkalot: Zenoss can be quite resource intensive depending on what you're monitoring
[06-Oct-2010 10:31:47] <makkalot> rmatte: just want to test will monitor 1 or 2 Linux machines
[06-Oct-2010 10:32:13] <makkalot> we ara going to use a monitoring software and trying all of them zenoss, nagios and etc
[06-Oct-2010 10:33:56] <rmatte> Zenoss blows Nagios out of the water
[06-Oct-2010 10:34:01] <pokui> makkalot: in which case consider using the zenoss vmware appliance. it should be easier to get up and running and give you a quicker feel for features.
[06-Oct-2010 10:34:13] <rmatte> yeh, just use the vmware appliance for testing
[06-Oct-2010 10:37:01] <makkalot> rmatte: what i want actually is explore its plugin architecture,i know Python and if writing plugins is easy probably we will choose the zenoss, i dont want to bother with perl really ...
[06-Oct-2010 10:37:26] <pokui> makkalot: you can do that with the appliance.
[06-Oct-2010 10:37:40] <fragfutter> or use an rpm based installer
[06-Oct-2010 10:37:59] <makkalot> fragfutter: i didnt find one for fedora 13
[06-Oct-2010 10:38:17] <makkalot> and also which one should i try 3.0.2 or 2.5 ?
[06-Oct-2010 10:38:53] <rmatte> makkalot: Zenoss uses the exact same format as Nagios plugins do
[06-Oct-2010 10:39:00] <pokui> hi all, is there a way to do snmpv3 when autodiscovering a range of devices?
[06-Oct-2010 10:39:02] <rmatte> for command plugins
[06-Oct-2010 10:39:15] <rmatte> There are also collector plugins that can be written in python, but that's a bit more advanced
[06-Oct-2010 10:39:40] <pokui> makkalot: 3.0.2 in my opinion.
[06-Oct-2010 10:39:52] <rmatte> yeh, might as well go with 3.0.2
[06-Oct-2010 10:40:00] <rmatte> no point in learning the old user interface
[06-Oct-2010 10:43:20] <makkalot> probably will try the vmware appliance
[06-Oct-2010 10:43:55] <rmatte> ok, just don't use the appliance in production if you do decide on Zenoss
[06-Oct-2010 10:48:16] <makkalot> rmatte: sure 
[06-Oct-2010 10:50:03] <pokui> hmm. looks like discovery will try version 2 then version 1 for snmp. 
[06-Oct-2010 10:50:10] * pokui configures net-snmp
[06-Oct-2010 10:50:21] <rmatte> so?
[06-Oct-2010 10:50:40] <rmatte> v2 is most common
[06-Oct-2010 10:50:47] <pokui> the server farm i wanted to add using autodiscovery is currently v3 only.
[06-Oct-2010 10:50:55] <rmatte> oh
[06-Oct-2010 10:51:38] <rmatte> there is some zenoss utility to bulk add devices from a list...
[06-Oct-2010 10:51:42] <rmatte> I forget what it's called
[06-Oct-2010 10:51:58] <pokui> rmatte: hmm.. let me look that up.
[06-Oct-2010 10:52:23] <rmatte> I use a different older utility to do it just because I'm used to using it
[06-Oct-2010 10:52:36] <rmatte> it's a bit of a pain though, so I'll probably switch eventually
[06-Oct-2010 10:52:48] <pokui> zenbatchload
[06-Oct-2010 10:52:51] <pokui> thanks
[06-Oct-2010 10:52:52] <rmatte> that's the one
[06-Oct-2010 10:52:53] <rmatte> np
[06-Oct-2010 10:53:52] <rmatte> yeh, zenbatchload looks a lot easier
[06-Oct-2010 10:54:22] <makkalot> is there some manual for writing plugins ?
[06-Oct-2010 10:54:32] <rmatte> I use jc_batch_load.py, which Jane Curry wrote
[06-Oct-2010 10:54:48] <rmatte> makkalot: Well, it depends on what type of plugin you're talking about
[06-Oct-2010 10:54:51] <rmatte> what do you have in mind?
[06-Oct-2010 10:56:48] <makkalot> rmatte: we have some devices (wtihout os) and want to monitor them , collecting some info about what are they doing , if they are alive and etc , is zenoss suitable for that ?
[06-Oct-2010 10:57:15] <rmatte> what do you mean "without os"?
[06-Oct-2010 10:57:17] <makkalot> rmatte: i need manual for plugins that will do that , want to develop plugins
[06-Oct-2010 10:57:29] <makkalot> rmatte: embedded devices
[06-Oct-2010 10:57:36] <rmatte> makkalot: right, I need to get an idea of what type of data you're wanting to collect via the plugins
[06-Oct-2010 10:57:48] <rmatte> just performance data?
[06-Oct-2010 10:57:59] <pokui> makkalot: how do you talk to the devices? snmp? ping? custom api?
[06-Oct-2010 10:58:05] <rmatte> yeh, that too
[06-Oct-2010 10:58:25] <makkalot> rmatte: permormance data and also they generate some numbers (something they compute)
[06-Oct-2010 10:58:29] <makkalot> pokui: custom api
[06-Oct-2010 10:58:45] <rmatte> makkalot: It's simple, enough... the script just needs to output in nagios format...
[06-Oct-2010 10:58:48] <rmatte> such as...
[06-Oct-2010 10:58:58] <rmatte> |datapoint1=57 datapoint2=98
[06-Oct-2010 10:59:07] <rmatte> where datapoint# is the name of the datapoint
[06-Oct-2010 10:59:17] <rmatte> and the number after the = sign is the returned value
[06-Oct-2010 10:59:28] <rmatte> then you just configure that as a command datasource in Zenoss, create the datapoints
[06-Oct-2010 10:59:34] <rmatte> and then you can graph and threshold against them
[06-Oct-2010 10:59:53] <makkalot> rmatte: sounds easy
[06-Oct-2010 11:00:01] <rmatte> yeh, it's not hard
[06-Oct-2010 11:00:13] <rmatte> the template design (graphs, thresholds, datasources) is done in the UI
[06-Oct-2010 11:01:01] <makkalot> rmatte: can i show the data in tables also , to filter data for example for dates and etc
[06-Oct-2010 11:01:05] <rmatte> so you could have it output like: |CPU=98 Memory=34 Paging=37
[06-Oct-2010 11:01:08] <rmatte> or whatever
[06-Oct-2010 11:02:32] <makkalot> rmatte: i will collect some data in a database and then show it in zenoss in tables is that hard to integrate ?
[06-Oct-2010 11:02:54] <rmatte> makkalot: yeh, that's much more complex
[06-Oct-2010 11:03:04] <rmatte> because then you're getting in to UI skin design, and collector plugin design
[06-Oct-2010 11:03:29] <rmatte> and unless your Python is good, you'll have a tough time with that
[06-Oct-2010 11:03:43] <Parabola|Work> rmatte, is there somthing i have to do to get autodiscovery working on the zenoss's local network?
[06-Oct-2010 11:03:54] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  before the re-install it did it on its own just fine :-\
[06-Oct-2010 11:03:56] <makkalot> rmatte: my Python is good but i have played with zope in the past and zope is not easy 
[06-Oct-2010 11:04:09] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: I'm not sure, I don't use auto-discovery because it's messy
[06-Oct-2010 11:04:35] <rmatte> makkalot: yeh, Zope takes time to wrap your head around, it's not too bad though once you get the hang of it
[06-Oct-2010 11:05:04] <rmatte> makkalot: Recommended reading is the Zenoss Administration Guide...
[06-Oct-2010 11:05:23] <rmatte> and the Zenoss Developer's Guide, in your case
[06-Oct-2010 11:05:31] <LarsN> If I wanted to add a few text entry fields to the "device-->Overview" page.  Is that possible, will the changes persist through upgrades, and how would I go about it. 
[06-Oct-2010 11:05:49] <LarsN> (Zenoss 3.0.2)
[06-Oct-2010 11:05:49] <makkalot> rmatte: ok thanks , will start reading after make it work firstly 
[06-Oct-2010 11:06:20] <rmatte> LarsN: It wouldn't be easy, you'd have to create a skin file to override the existing one
[06-Oct-2010 11:06:37] <rmatte> LarsN: plus, that page is probably subject to change, it's a new UI, I doubt anything is final.
[06-Oct-2010 11:06:45] <LarsN> I "can" put things like PDU: power06 Port: 6  Console: ts01.lldc 3500  in the links: Comments
[06-Oct-2010 11:06:51] <LarsN> but that doesn't search well.  
[06-Oct-2010 11:07:14] <rmatte> yeh well, that's kind of what we're stuck with until they add customizable fields to the status page
[06-Oct-2010 11:07:16] <LarsN> I guess I could add custom zproperties
[06-Oct-2010 11:07:19] davidh38_ is now known as davidh38
[06-Oct-2010 11:07:28] <LarsN> that at least I could search for, and/or run reports on.
[06-Oct-2010 11:07:45] <rmatte> you don't even need zProperties, you can use customer properties
[06-Oct-2010 11:07:47] <rmatte> cProperties
[06-Oct-2010 11:07:51] <rmatte> custom*
[06-Oct-2010 11:07:52] <Parabola|Work> wow
[06-Oct-2010 11:07:57] <Parabola|Work> i cant download the zenoss admin pdf
[06-Oct-2010 11:08:11] <Parabola|Work> POS site gives me download.htm
[06-Oct-2010 11:08:23] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: are you wgetting the file?
[06-Oct-2010 11:08:28] <Parabola|Work> no
[06-Oct-2010 11:08:30] <Parabola|Work> im on windows
[06-Oct-2010 11:08:55] <rmatte> downloads fine for me
[06-Oct-2010 11:09:04] <Parabola|Work> chrome sucks then
[06-Oct-2010 11:09:04] <rmatte> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/zenoss/Documentation/zenoss-3.0.x-docs/zendocs-3.0.1/Zenoss_Administration_06-072010-3.0-v02.pdf?r=http%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.zenoss.org%2Fcommunity%2Fdocumentation%2Fofficial_documentation%2Fzenoss-guide&ts=1286377727&use_mirror=iweb
[06-Oct-2010 11:09:10] <rmatte> there's the direct link
[06-Oct-2010 11:09:22] <rmatte> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/zenoss/Documentation/zenoss-3.0.x-docs/zendocs-3.0.1/Zenoss_Administration_06-072010-3.0-v02.pdf
[06-Oct-2010 11:09:32] <Parabola|Work> thanks but that doesnt help me 
[06-Oct-2010 11:09:40] <Parabola|Work> it will open not save the file
[06-Oct-2010 11:09:44] <Parabola|Work> its fine really
[06-Oct-2010 11:09:46] <Parabola|Work> ill just read on the page
[06-Oct-2010 11:09:46] <rmatte> k
[06-Oct-2010 11:10:06] <rmatte> even if it opens the file you can do file -> save as I believe
[06-Oct-2010 11:10:10] <LarsN> Parabola|Work: in IE/FF "file" "save as" with the PDF open.
[06-Oct-2010 11:10:31] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[06-Oct-2010 11:10:43] <Parabola|Work> too bad i dont use either of thoes, again its not me not being smart enough to wget the file or use antohoer browser
[06-Oct-2010 11:10:50] <Parabola|Work> its me not wanting to spend the time 
[06-Oct-2010 11:10:58] <LarsN> rmatte: would it be wrong of me to be amazed Zenoss.com hasn't offered you a job yet? 
[06-Oct-2010 11:11:01] <Parabola|Work> im already reading the html version looking to fix this
[06-Oct-2010 11:11:13] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[06-Oct-2010 11:11:30] <rmatte> LarsN: They haven't had any openings lol
[06-Oct-2010 11:11:57] <Sam-I-Am> any of you guys using enterprise?
[06-Oct-2010 11:12:22] <Parabola|Work> mray: forgive me if im missing it in the admin guide, but my autodiscovery isnt working, i dont think its even trying..
[06-Oct-2010 11:12:37] <Parabola|Work> is there a way to force it to do it?
[06-Oct-2010 11:12:55] <rmatte> LarsN: I'm just trying to figure out where they've hidden the option to add custom properties (been a while since I created one)
[06-Oct-2010 11:13:32] <Parabola|Work> i assume zendisc can do this
[06-Oct-2010 11:13:49] <LarsN> rmatte: that makes two of us 
[06-Oct-2010 11:14:23] <fragfutter> Parabola|Work: you mean automatic nightly is not running? can you run it from cli?
[06-Oct-2010 11:14:30] <rmatte> LarsN: I know there's an option in the UI, it's just in an unobvious place
[06-Oct-2010 11:14:31] <Parabola|Work> fragfutter,  id ont know the command
[06-Oct-2010 11:14:35] <Parabola|Work> thats what im looking for
[06-Oct-2010 11:15:07] <fragfutter> Parabola|Work: zendisc run --now -d ip --deviceclass /Discovered
[06-Oct-2010 11:15:21] <rmatte> LarsN: found it...
[06-Oct-2010 11:15:34] <Parabola|Work> ty
[06-Oct-2010 11:15:35] <rmatte> LarsN: Infrastructure -> Details -> Custom Schema
[06-Oct-2010 11:15:45] <fragfutter> Parabola|Work: and all the glory options with: zendisc run -h
[06-Oct-2010 11:16:45] <Parabola|Work> i think zenjobs freaked out
[06-Oct-2010 11:20:51] <LarsN> rmatte: how do I go about modifying it?
[06-Oct-2010 11:21:56] <LarsN> rmatte: nevermind. I'm a big dummy 
[06-Oct-2010 11:22:09] <LarsN> was at device - class - details - custom schema
[06-Oct-2010 11:22:21] <Parabola|Werk> that worked
[06-Oct-2010 11:22:27] Parabola|Werk is now known as Parabola|w
[06-Oct-2010 11:23:49] davidh38_ is now known as davidh38
[06-Oct-2010 11:29:13] <fus10nx> mray: really strange about not being able to draw between subnets because it's drawing the lines with a lot of others but just not that 1 site
[06-Oct-2010 11:30:42] <fus10nx> 5.206.176.x - 5.54.44.x - 5.54.55.250 -- all draw lines but 5.206.175.x doesn't draw a line
[06-Oct-2010 11:31:54] <mray> fus10nx: I believe you can add an route to "fake" the connection if it's not working
[06-Oct-2010 11:32:32] <fus10nx> any doc on that? i'd like it to be real data but i cant figure out why this would possible be happening
[06-Oct-2010 11:34:13] <fragfutter> i need a bullet/feature list nagios vs zenoss, if someone cares to point out cool zenoss features i'm missing: http://pastebin.com/EzY6yn6K
[06-Oct-2010 11:34:27] <rmatte> I wish there was a way to rename locations without having to go in to the zope management interface
[06-Oct-2010 11:35:22] <Parabola|w> hmm
[06-Oct-2010 11:35:25] <Parabola|w> anyone monitoring printers?
[06-Oct-2010 11:35:36] <Parabola|w> can toner status and stuff be pulled via snmp
[06-Oct-2010 11:35:50] <fragfutter> Parabola|w: afaik HP yes
[06-Oct-2010 11:35:59] <Parabola|w> this isnt an hp
[06-Oct-2010 11:36:00] <Parabola|w> 
[06-Oct-2010 11:36:13] <Parabola|w> its a clients, i havent seen it, but it says its an "aficio mp c3300"
[06-Oct-2010 11:36:20] <rmatte> Parabola|w: It all depends on whether or not the manufacturer included SNMP capability
[06-Oct-2010 11:36:23] <rmatte> do your homework
[06-Oct-2010 11:36:28] <Parabola|w> 
[06-Oct-2010 11:36:35] <mray> fragfutter: for #19, you can suppress flapping by adding a count or delay on alerting
[06-Oct-2010 11:37:07] <mray> fragfutter: http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jcurry.html  check out "Open Source Management Options" for the comparison
[06-Oct-2010 11:37:12] <LarsN> can also suppress flapping by filling the offending device with dynamite and removing the problem once and for all 
[06-Oct-2010 11:37:30] <LarsN> this may however negatively impact other parts of your network... *grin*
[06-Oct-2010 11:37:46] <rmatte> C4 is much more effective
[06-Oct-2010 11:38:01] <fragfutter> mray: flap detection in nagios is a bit different then just adding a delay. but your point is still valid.
[06-Oct-2010 11:38:04] davidh38_ is now known as davidh38
[06-Oct-2010 11:40:53] <fragfutter> mray: i know skimmed over janes paper. as i know nagios realy well and played with zenoss the last months i'm at the moment at the point, that i can do everything i need with any of those tools.
[06-Oct-2010 11:41:37] <fragfutter> i just thought, ask the channel to see if someone points out a huge advantage (beside python) that i missed in zenoss.
[06-Oct-2010 11:42:04] <mray> I'm less familiar with Nagios, and obviously biased 
[06-Oct-2010 11:42:27] <fragfutter> you can still shoot. i'm also biased 
[06-Oct-2010 11:42:54] <st3v3o> morning
[06-Oct-2010 11:42:58] <rmatte> fragfutter: this kind of falls under python, but transforms
[06-Oct-2010 11:42:58] <LarsN> fragfutter: as someone who's also used Nagios, although quite a bit less than Zenoss.
[06-Oct-2010 11:42:59] <st3v3o> or uh ..afternooon
[06-Oct-2010 11:43:09] <rmatte> fragfutter: transforms are godly
[06-Oct-2010 11:43:12] <Parabola|w> fragfutter,  wmi ?
[06-Oct-2010 11:43:26] <Parabola|w> zenoss is agentless and has wmi
[06-Oct-2010 11:43:27] <fragfutter> Parabola|w: windows management instrumentation
[06-Oct-2010 11:43:28] <rmatte> fragfutter: ZenPacks would be another
[06-Oct-2010 11:43:29] <Parabola|w> thats why i use it
[06-Oct-2010 11:43:34] <LarsN> fragfutter: what I can suggest is that, being able to view events, configure monitoring, etc.  From a single interface across multiple sites, with "many" monitoring servers.  Is very nice.
[06-Oct-2010 11:43:38] <Parabola|w> fragfutter,  no no i was saying why you would use zenoss lol
[06-Oct-2010 11:43:59] <Parabola|w> if you arent monitoring windows servers, or have snmp setup on them, and you know nagios, use it
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:08] <Parabola|w> it all comes down to what works and not spending all your time on it
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:11] <mray> and speaking of new things with Zenoss… the VMware appliance if finally up
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:14] <LarsN> fragfutter: Zenoss can be used as a hub & spoke, which at least at the time I used it last, Nagios doesn't do.
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:15] <st3v3o> besides a transform is there anyway to make it so that a device that is in pre-production doesn't show in the event log…or can be filtered
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:17] <mray> docs/DOC-3240
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:24] <fragfutter> Parabola|w: i can do wmi in nagios too. the amount of windows server is less then 10
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:27] <rmatte> mray: The CentOS based one you mean
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:31] <rmatte> ?
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:32] <mray> rmatte: yes
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:35] <rmatte> cool
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:36] <mray> 32 & 64-bit
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:38] <Parabola|w> fragfutter,  does nagios require an agent?
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:39] <rmatte> no more rPath lol
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:55] <fragfutter> Parabola|w: check_snmp, so snm
[06-Oct-2010 11:44:57] <rmatte> Parabola|w: I don't think it necessarily requires one, but it has one
[06-Oct-2010 11:45:03] <mray> rmatte: yeah, less moving parts for QA to test
[06-Oct-2010 11:45:07] <rmatte> yup
[06-Oct-2010 11:45:20] <fragfutter> Parabola|w: what you mean is nrpe, but you will stop deploying it after two days 
[06-Oct-2010 11:45:35] <Parabola|w> are you making up acronyms?
[06-Oct-2010 11:45:38] <Parabola|w> snm, nrpe ?
[06-Oct-2010 11:45:41] <Parabola|w> or is it just bad typing
[06-Oct-2010 11:45:42] <fragfutter> LarsN: passive checks can be done by remote colletors.
[06-Oct-2010 11:46:03] <LarsN> fragfutter: roger.  Like I said I'm just more familiar with Zenoss 
[06-Oct-2010 11:46:09] <fragfutter> Parabola|w: nrpe is nagios remote whateverthoseothertwolettersmean, and snm is missing its p
[06-Oct-2010 11:46:17] <Parabola|w> ah 
[06-Oct-2010 11:46:41] <LarsN> fragfutter: typically, to do what Zenoss does, most people deploy Nagios and Cacti it seems.  possibly also mrtg, although I'd tend to run mrtg in conjunction with Zenoss anyway 
[06-Oct-2010 11:47:08] <LarsN> I actually like the all in one solution we have here with Zenoss.
[06-Oct-2010 11:47:11] <fragfutter> LarsN: yes. that's what i thought.
[06-Oct-2010 11:47:31] <st3v3o> LarsN/Parabola….to get full functionality you need nagios and cacti we are moving off both onto Zenoss currently
[06-Oct-2010 11:47:52] <LarsN> fragfutter: since I work for a Zope/Plone shop, zenoss is a pretty good fit for our company.
[06-Oct-2010 11:48:13] <rmatte> Zenoss is just more polished in general than Nagios/Cacti setup
[06-Oct-2010 11:48:20] <rmatte> Nagios is fugly
[06-Oct-2010 11:48:22] <fragfutter> LarsN: knowing zope makes zenoss a lot less scary.
[06-Oct-2010 11:48:25] <st3v3o> much easier to manage also
[06-Oct-2010 11:48:55] <st3v3o> cacti is a big PITA for getting detailed reporting setup
[06-Oct-2010 11:50:07] <LarsN> mray: do you think there would be any intrest in us writing a plugin/patch/zenpack that would connect Zenoss to a "MultiTech iSMS" sms gateway?
[06-Oct-2010 11:50:36] <LarsN> mray: we're writing a series of scripts that send notifications by SMS, and allow us to clear events by SMS as well.
[06-Oct-2010 11:50:48] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: i'm in the process of trying to replace cacti's functions with zenoss. its been... interesting.
[06-Oct-2010 11:51:01] <mray> LarsN: I'm always going to say "yes"
[06-Oct-2010 11:51:16] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: I'm sure it's a bit different for you
[06-Oct-2010 11:51:21] <LarsN> mray: I'll work on packaging it up after we finish fine tuning the scripts.
[06-Oct-2010 11:51:24] <mray> it either helps other users of Zenoss/MultiTech or other SMS users
[06-Oct-2010 11:51:24] <LarsN> 
[06-Oct-2010 11:51:41] <mray> LarsN: post it on community/documentation/wiki/integrations and I'll get it linked up
[06-Oct-2010 11:51:47] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: biggest problem so far has been access control
[06-Oct-2010 11:51:57] <LarsN> mray: one other question for you...  can I send you a /msg?
[06-Oct-2010 11:52:11] <mray> certainly
[06-Oct-2010 11:52:18] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: in cacti i could give users certain access to specific graphs, groups of graphs, etc... not so much in zenoss.
[06-Oct-2010 11:53:13] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: i thought reports would work, but i'm having problems with "acl'd" users accessing any reports.  i see the button at the top next to "infrastructure" and "dashboard" ... but it just brings me to a login screen.
[06-Oct-2010 11:53:24] <Sam-I-Am> best i can tell that means i dont have permission to any reprts
[06-Oct-2010 11:53:31] davidh38_ is now known as davidh38
[06-Oct-2010 11:54:59] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: It sounds like you have a very specific and uncommon usage scenario.
[06-Oct-2010 11:55:22] <Sam-I-Am> well, according to the docs, acl'd users should be able to see at least performance and device reports.
[06-Oct-2010 11:55:31] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: I've never seen the need to only allow users to view specific graphs on a device.  If they have rights to a device it's because they should be able to view all the data for that device in the majority of cases
[06-Oct-2010 11:56:05] <rmatte> I've never actually worked with the enterprise ACLs so I'm not sure how they work exactly
[06-Oct-2010 11:56:05] <Sam-I-Am> oh they can view all graphs on a device they have access to... i.e., devices in some object group
[06-Oct-2010 11:56:40] <Sam-I-Am> problem is i have some graphs that need to be reports since they pull data from several devices ... all of which those restricted users have access to
[06-Oct-2010 11:57:12] <Sam-I-Am> so you'd think if the user can see all of the various graphs for devices X Y and Z, they should be able to see some sort of report involving those devices.
[06-Oct-2010 11:57:35] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: i opened a case with zenoss support since this isnt really a core issue.
[06-Oct-2010 11:57:39] <rmatte> Well, that is if they have access to the reports sections
[06-Oct-2010 11:57:47] <Sam-I-Am> but i figured maybe someone here has figured it out
[06-Oct-2010 11:58:01] <rmatte> I doubt it, this place is mostly core users, with the odd enterprise user
[06-Oct-2010 11:58:02] <Sam-I-Am> i suspect its going to be some sort of zope thing which i'm not familiar
[06-Oct-2010 11:58:15] <rmatte> well, Zope has roles in it
[06-Oct-2010 11:58:20] <Sam-I-Am> or someone here hacked it into core 
[06-Oct-2010 11:58:31] <rmatte> and I'm pretty sure that's what ACLs work off of
[06-Oct-2010 11:58:35] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[06-Oct-2010 11:59:02] <st3v3o> ok …how can you have a cpu be to idle…or am I missing something with this event
[06-Oct-2010 11:59:02] <rmatte> I've worked with roles a bit when setting up LDAP auth, but I didn't go in to any great detail
[06-Oct-2010 11:59:02] <st3v3o> threshold of low CPU idle not met: current value 0.00
[06-Oct-2010 11:59:05] <Sam-I-Am> i'm a network engineer, so messing with the internals of zenoss is not really my specialty
[06-Oct-2010 11:59:20] <rmatte> st3v3o: means the CPU is at 100% usage, I usually disable that threshold
[06-Oct-2010 11:59:25] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: i think ldap might be another way to do this... sorta.
[06-Oct-2010 11:59:40] <Sam-I-Am> anywho, i need to run along to a meeting
[06-Oct-2010 11:59:45] <rmatte> k
[06-Oct-2010 12:00:30] <st3v3o> rmatte:  the other graphs don't show it anywhere near 100% …more lke 5%
[06-Oct-2010 12:01:31] <fragfutter> can i delete old events from the history table without breaking something? (like mysql connect and delete)?
[06-Oct-2010 12:01:42] <st3v3o> fragfutter..yes
[06-Oct-2010 12:01:48] <Orv> rmatte: Are you certain about that low CPU idle?  I got it with a CPU that was in fact idle.
[06-Oct-2010 12:02:20] <st3v3o> Minimum Value 2….what happens when there is not processing 
[06-Oct-2010 12:02:31] <Orv> st3v3o: I just set that to zero.
[06-Oct-2010 12:02:37] <Orv> Guess I could have disabled it...
[06-Oct-2010 12:02:53] <st3v3o> yeah that effectivly disables it 
[06-Oct-2010 12:02:59] <st3v3o> effectively
[06-Oct-2010 12:07:26] <fragfutter> ok, why is deleting the event history speeding up the UI?
[06-Oct-2010 12:07:31] davidh38_ is now known as davidh38
[06-Oct-2010 12:09:56] <mray> fragfutter: the event tables are smaller
[06-Oct-2010 12:10:01] <mray> easier to get totals?
[06-Oct-2010 12:10:46] <fragfutter> but outside the event console, like going to a device in zport/dmd/Devices/Network/Switch/Foundry/devices is faster? (at least it feals like it)
[06-Oct-2010 12:11:11] <mray> fragfutter: good point, there are some event counts on those pages
[06-Oct-2010 12:11:51] <fragfutter> mray: that's what i thought but i can't find anything (no counts, no average availability, no...)
[06-Oct-2010 12:12:32] <fragfutter> or maybee it's just coffee kicking in and live get's speedy again
[06-Oct-2010 12:15:08] <wvcain> Want to setup a status check for a https web page.  Loaded the most excellent checkhttp zenpack.  Have it working- it polls and alerts if time is too long.
[06-Oct-2010 12:15:49] <wvcain> However have to scale this thing to more than one web site.  So questions around how best to arrange within the device tree
[06-Oct-2010 12:16:54] <wvcain> Should I create a node with just the one monitoring template; discover the device(s) and move them into the node?
[06-Oct-2010 12:17:11] <wvcain> Also how do I turn off the ping test.
[06-Oct-2010 12:18:28] BTEC is now known as BKTEC
[06-Oct-2010 12:18:32] <Orv> wvcain: It's under Configuration Properties for that device
[06-Oct-2010 12:18:39] <fragfutter> zPingMonitorIgnore?
[06-Oct-2010 12:18:47] <Orv> Yeah, that's the ticket :-)
[06-Oct-2010 12:18:54] <wvcain> Instant gratification.
[06-Oct-2010 12:19:08] <Orv> wvcain: I don't generally use discover; I just add the device in to the proper device class.
[06-Oct-2010 12:19:29] <Orv> Then I don't have to mess with the configuration properties as much afterwards.
[06-Oct-2010 12:19:31] <anvil14> is it just me or is 3.0.2 seem "slower" when navigating
[06-Oct-2010 12:19:46] <Orv> anvil14: It can be; have you made the optimization recommendations?
[06-Oct-2010 12:19:54] <Orv> They help a lot.
[06-Oct-2010 12:20:09] <Orv> There's some from Zenoss, and also rmatte posted some backend performance tweaks.
[06-Oct-2010 12:20:30] <anvil14> um, nope must have missed that
[06-Oct-2010 12:25:56] <rmatte> Orv: yes, I'm sure about that threshold
[06-Oct-2010 12:26:06] <rmatte> Orv: it'll trigger even on a spike, which is why I don't use it
[06-Oct-2010 12:26:11] <rmatte> I rely on the high load threshold
[06-Oct-2010 12:26:53] <ericenns> is there a way to see if my .rrd files have any values in them?
[06-Oct-2010 12:27:53] <wvcain> rrdtool fetch <filename> AVERAGE
[06-Oct-2010 12:28:55] <ericenns> awesome thanks
[06-Oct-2010 12:50:00] <fus10nx> mray: were you able to find anyway to 'fake' the link between the locations ?
[06-Oct-2010 12:50:19] <fus10nx> its still baffling me why they can't see that site but can see all the others and create the link, bizarre !
[06-Oct-2010 12:51:57] <Simon4> gah
[06-Oct-2010 12:52:03] <Simon4> so mapping SNMP traps
[06-Oct-2010 12:52:17] <Simon4> can I say "map all traps that start with this OID to this event class"
[06-Oct-2010 12:52:36] <Simon4> it seems I have to map every individual trap, which implies I can send every trap in a test environment
[06-Oct-2010 12:53:29] <Simon4> I tried wildcard matching on eventclasskey, but no luck
[06-Oct-2010 12:53:43] <mray> fus10nx:  docs/DOC-3231
[06-Oct-2010 12:54:28] <fus10nx> wow ! ha ha what a process
[06-Oct-2010 12:54:43] <st3v3o> YEAH layer 2 creation 
[06-Oct-2010 12:54:54] <st3v3o> or in this case I guess layer 3 still
[06-Oct-2010 12:58:00] <Simon4> a ha, looks like "defaultmapping" is the way to go
[06-Oct-2010 13:10:13] <rmatte> yeh, defaultmapping
[06-Oct-2010 13:10:36] <rmatte> I use that for filtering certain garbage syslogs
[06-Oct-2010 13:11:09] <rmatte> they have to be coming in as /Unknown initially for that to work though
[06-Oct-2010 13:11:54] <Simon4> yeah, they are traps, so they do
[06-Oct-2010 13:11:58] <Simon4> much goodness
[06-Oct-2010 13:12:08] <Simon4> all the junip
[06-Oct-2010 13:12:10] <Simon4> meh
[06-Oct-2010 13:12:14] <Simon4> anyway, beertime - thanks 
[06-Oct-2010 13:12:34] <ericenns> hey so I'm trying to use zencommand to see if my datasources are working but I get a stop event
[06-Oct-2010 13:15:36] <rmatte> a stop event?
[06-Oct-2010 13:15:58] <ericenns> yeah thats what it says
[06-Oct-2010 13:16:13] <ericenns> zent a 'stop' event
[06-Oct-2010 13:16:30] <ericenns> sent
[06-Oct-2010 13:17:59] <rmatte> hmmm
[06-Oct-2010 13:18:22] <ericenns> now its working
[06-Oct-2010 13:18:25] <rmatte> k
[06-Oct-2010 13:18:51] <ericenns> I get this often, but after a few restarts it seems to work lol
[06-Oct-2010 13:20:56] <rmatte> lol
[06-Oct-2010 13:21:08] <rmatte> well, you might want to figure out what's causing it if it's reoccuring
[06-Oct-2010 13:21:32] <ericenns> my thought is that another instance is already running
[06-Oct-2010 13:21:55] <rmatte> well, you'll have to implement some sort of check for that
[06-Oct-2010 13:29:08] <bigegor> I've update my MsSQLMon_ODBC ZenPack to version 3.1.
[06-Oct-2010 13:29:43] <xuru> bigegor: sweet, is it just the changes we talked about, or is there more?
[06-Oct-2010 13:31:02] <bigegor> xuru: only changes we talked about.
[06-Oct-2010 13:31:11] <bigegor> for now
[06-Oct-2010 13:31:14] <xuru> ok, cool, thanks again!
[06-Oct-2010 13:33:30] <bigegor> if some want test MySQLMon_ODBC ZenPack with multiple instance support, new MySQL data source and without ODBC dependency ;), its here: http://github.com/epuzanov/Community-Zenpacks/tree/master/ZenPacks.community.MySQLMon_ODBC
[06-Oct-2010 13:58:18] <newmon> Hi everyone
[06-Oct-2010 13:58:39] <newmon> i need some help in configuring the Java JMX zenpack to monitor heap memory
[06-Oct-2010 13:58:39] <rmatte> hi
[06-Oct-2010 13:58:55] <newmon> I've installed the zenpack and setup a graph, but nothing is populated
[06-Oct-2010 13:59:42] <rmatte> very few people in here use that pack, but it sounds like your datasource isn't properly setup
[06-Oct-2010 14:00:19] <fus10nx> Anyone have screenshots of some good 'overall' graphs they've created? For an entire network notjust site specific ?
[06-Oct-2010 14:00:20] <newmon> would there be another option to monitor Java (heap memory)
[06-Oct-2010 14:00:39] <rmatte> newmon: I have no idea, I don't work with JMX
[06-Oct-2010 14:01:09] <rmatte> fus10nx: you're talking about aggregate graphs?
[06-Oct-2010 14:01:14] <newmon> im running into a situation where one of my app servers is spitting memory errors (heap memory) and causing the app to crash, I would like to monitor and report the incident
[06-Oct-2010 14:01:35] <fus10nx> yea but more than what's 'out of the box'
[06-Oct-2010 14:01:46] <fus10nx> im trying to think of some useful graphs to put on the dashboard
[06-Oct-2010 14:02:13] <rmatte> newmon: wish I could help, I know nothing about monitoring java apps
[06-Oct-2010 14:02:26] <rmatte> there are some people in here who do, but they are rarely around
[06-Oct-2010 14:02:30] <rmatte> I can't remember specifically who
[06-Oct-2010 14:02:36] <xuru> newmon: I do here
[06-Oct-2010 14:02:49] <rmatte> ah, maybe Xuru can help you
[06-Oct-2010 14:02:55] <newmon> ok, thanks for your feedback anyway rmatte
[06-Oct-2010 14:03:12] <xuru> let me see what I got for a configuration
[06-Oct-2010 14:03:24] <newmon> cool, thanks
[06-Oct-2010 14:05:27] <xuru> ok, here is what I did
[06-Oct-2010 14:05:59] <xuru> I have /Server/Linux/Appserver to contain my tomcat servers
[06-Oct-2010 14:06:24] <xuru> at that level, and not on the devices themselves, I bound the template for JMX
[06-Oct-2010 14:06:37] <newmon> ok
[06-Oct-2010 14:06:55] <newmon> how does the data source configuration work?
[06-Oct-2010 14:06:59] <xuru> then go into the configuration properties
[06-Oct-2010 14:07:07] <xuru> and set the zJmx* variables
[06-Oct-2010 14:07:45] <newmon> would it be possible to do this at the host level? I am trying on a staging server before i deploy to production
[06-Oct-2010 14:08:02] <xuru> sure, doesn't matter
[06-Oct-2010 14:08:15] <xuru> I ahve these set in the tomcat startup file:
[06-Oct-2010 14:08:25] <xuru> JAVA_OPTS="$JAVA_OPTS -Dcom.sun.management.jmxremote"
[06-Oct-2010 14:08:25] <xuru> JAVA_OPTS="$JAVA_OPTS -Dcom.sun.management.jmxremote.port=9000"
[06-Oct-2010 14:08:25] <xuru> JAVA_OPTS="$JAVA_OPTS -Dcom.sun.management.jmxremote.authenticate=false"
[06-Oct-2010 14:08:25] <xuru> JAVA_OPTS="$JAVA_OPTS -Dcom.sun.management.jmxremote.ssl=false"
[06-Oct-2010 14:08:43] <xuru> I just chose 9000, but you can choose any port that doesn't conflict
[06-Oct-2010 14:08:57] <xuru> once you restart your java process
[06-Oct-2010 14:09:11] <newmon> ok, great
[06-Oct-2010 14:09:17] <newmon> i can work with this
[06-Oct-2010 14:09:18] <xuru> you should test if you can connect to it using jvisualvm
[06-Oct-2010 14:09:49] <xuru> if you can connect to it with jconsole or jvisualvm, the ZenJMX template shouldn't have any problems
[06-Oct-2010 14:10:08] <xuru> let me know how it goes 
[06-Oct-2010 14:10:10] <fus10nx> rmatte: any suggestions for other aggregate graphs?
[06-Oct-2010 14:10:24] <newmon> i can connect with my windows laptop, but can not connect with linux zenoss server
[06-Oct-2010 14:10:41] <newmon> will follow up with you, thank you kindly xuru!
[06-Oct-2010 14:10:49] <xuru> np
[06-Oct-2010 14:11:21] <xuru> I have another trick you can try from the zenoss box if you can't find the problem
[06-Oct-2010 14:11:40] <rmatte> fus10nx: not really, maybe interface errors
[06-Oct-2010 14:11:58] <Parabola|w> anyone here good with expect scripts?
[06-Oct-2010 14:12:01] <fus10nx> here's a good question, are u running ZenOSS on a Ubuntu box? or linux box ?
[06-Oct-2010 14:12:07] <Parabola|w> i've got one that is set to restart a service on a linux box when it dies
[06-Oct-2010 14:12:12] <Parabola|w> and it doesnt appear to be working
[06-Oct-2010 14:12:13] <rmatte> fus10nx: Ubuntu Server
[06-Oct-2010 14:12:19] <Parabola|w> ubuntu is linux...
[06-Oct-2010 14:12:23] <rmatte> fus10nx: and Ubuntu IS Linux
[06-Oct-2010 14:12:24] <Parabola|w> just throwing that out there
[06-Oct-2010 14:12:24] <rmatte> 
[06-Oct-2010 14:12:29] <Parabola|w> my brain now hurts
[06-Oct-2010 14:12:39] <xuru> rmatte: Woot
[06-Oct-2010 14:12:43] <fus10nx> rmatte: here's something i can't figure out - on my 'localhost' it doesn't give me any stats like uptime and all of that
[06-Oct-2010 14:12:55] <Parabola|w> fus10nx,  you have to setup snmp on your zenoss box
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:00] <Parabola|w> or else how could it
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:02] <rmatte> CentOS, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Debian, RHEL, Fedora, etc... are all flavours of Linux
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:08] <Parabola|w> you missed, so many distros
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:13] <fus10nx> and i get a lot of missing OID stuff like 'error reading value for "memCached" on localhost (oid.1.3.6.1.4.1xxxxxxx)
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:14] <rmatte> just like OpenBSD, NetBSD, and FreeBSD are all flavours of BSD
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:15] <Parabola|w> 
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:21] <fus10nx> yea i thought i did that
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:26] <fus10nx> let me putty into it
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:38] <Parabola|w> fus10nx, i would google for a setup guide rather than having us walk you through it
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:42] <Parabola|w> snmpd isnt hard to setup
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:45] <fus10nx> thatsexactly what i did
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:47] * xuru shutters at the mention of putty
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:47] <rmatte> fus10nx: If you're getting debug messages like that then your net-snmp isn't configured correctly
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:54] <Parabola|w> rmatte, event manager : expect scripts
[06-Oct-2010 14:13:57] <rmatte> by default it's configured too strictly
[06-Oct-2010 14:14:10] <fus10nx> i fllowed this exactly
[06-Oct-2010 14:14:10] <fus10nx> http://vimeo.com/7850538
[06-Oct-2010 14:14:13] <Parabola|w> it tells me its fixing it, but it doesnt appear to be the case
[06-Oct-2010 14:14:34] <Parabola|w> clear out your snmpd.conf and put this "rocommunity public"
[06-Oct-2010 14:14:36] <Parabola|w> and save the file 
[06-Oct-2010 14:14:47] <fus10nx> that's it?
[06-Oct-2010 14:14:51] <Parabola|w> yup
[06-Oct-2010 14:15:02] <Parabola|w> read only for public
[06-Oct-2010 14:15:03] <Parabola|w> any IP
[06-Oct-2010 14:15:04] <rmatte> fus10nx: http://pastebin.com/dtLCZk8g
[06-Oct-2010 14:15:09] <Parabola|w> assuming you dont have your stuff DMZed
[06-Oct-2010 14:15:13] <Parabola|w> theres no real threat there
[06-Oct-2010 14:15:15] <rmatte> example of a net-snmp config that will work with Zenoss
[06-Oct-2010 14:15:21] <Parabola|w> or do it his way if you want
[06-Oct-2010 14:15:27] <Parabola|w> my way is just quicker and wont cause problems
[06-Oct-2010 14:15:33] <Parabola|w> due to ip restrictions..ect
[06-Oct-2010 14:15:42] <Parabola|w> although less secure
[06-Oct-2010 14:16:47] <rmatte> yeh, less secure and no traps 
[06-Oct-2010 14:17:19] <Parabola|w> you're a trap
[06-Oct-2010 14:17:29] <fus10nx> rmatte: and this is set for 'public' ?
[06-Oct-2010 14:17:33] <Parabola|w> http://pawsru.org/fc/src/fc25336_trap.jpg
[06-Oct-2010 14:19:21] <rmatte> fus10nx: it's not set for public, you need to replace "your-key" with the key you want
[06-Oct-2010 14:19:24] <rmatte> do NOT use public
[06-Oct-2010 14:19:27] <rmatte> that's just stupid
[06-Oct-2010 14:19:44] <fus10nx> bah - fair enough
[06-Oct-2010 14:20:11] <rmatte> using public means that anyone can snmpwalk your server
[06-Oct-2010 14:20:23] <fus10nx> even if it's all VPN'd ?
[06-Oct-2010 14:20:28] <fus10nx> and not open to the public
[06-Oct-2010 14:20:32] <rmatte> well obviously they'd need to be on your network
[06-Oct-2010 14:20:38] <fus10nx> oh then who cares
[06-Oct-2010 14:20:45] <rmatte> but that's no excuse for not setting a unique key
[06-Oct-2010 14:20:49] <fus10nx> that's true
[06-Oct-2010 14:20:51] <fus10nx> ill work on that
[06-Oct-2010 14:21:00] <rmatte> security through obscurity is bad
[06-Oct-2010 14:21:01] <rmatte> lol
[06-Oct-2010 14:21:05] <fus10nx> 
[06-Oct-2010 14:21:28] <fus10nx> why when i put my devices in /Server/Windows it doesn't give it the cute little windows icon but in /Server/Linux cute Tux appears
[06-Oct-2010 14:23:54] <Parabola|w> do you use wmi zenpacks?
[06-Oct-2010 14:24:05] <Parabola|w> if so move them to /cim/wmi
[06-Oct-2010 14:24:29] <fus10nx> nah i dont use the wmi zenpacks
[06-Oct-2010 14:24:34] <fus10nx> never had luck w/ getting them to work in previous release
[06-Oct-2010 14:24:49] <Parabola|w> hm
[06-Oct-2010 14:24:50] <Parabola|w> you should
[06-Oct-2010 14:24:55] <Parabola|w> they work well if you do it right
[06-Oct-2010 14:24:57] <fus10nx> doesnt snmp informant do the same ?
[06-Oct-2010 14:24:59] <Parabola|w> and windows firewall is turned off
[06-Oct-2010 14:25:14] <fus10nx> ill try it again - all windows firewall stuff is off on our master image
[06-Oct-2010 14:25:20] <fus10nx> we image all our machines to be exact same naturally
[06-Oct-2010 14:29:45] <newmon> xuru-- I can use jconsole from the zenoss gui and connect accordingly
[06-Oct-2010 14:29:55] <newmon> yet, i still have an empty graph.
[06-Oct-2010 14:30:22] <fus10nx> Parabola|w: what's need to get those WMI zenpacks working ? and will it provide any more additional information that SNMP Informant doesn't already provide ?
[06-Oct-2010 14:33:48] <fus10nx> nice graph would be aggregated (and site specific) uptime
[06-Oct-2010 14:33:50] <fus10nx> or availability
[06-Oct-2010 14:33:59] <Parabola|w> i dont know what informant does
[06-Oct-2010 14:34:04] <Parabola|w> i know i have access to windows services
[06-Oct-2010 14:34:08] <Parabola|w> and installed software
[06-Oct-2010 14:34:15] <fus10nx> with WMI Zenpack?
[06-Oct-2010 14:34:18] <Parabola|w> yes.
[06-Oct-2010 14:34:20] <xuru> newmon: one sec
[06-Oct-2010 14:34:30] <Parabola|w> even pulls serial numbers from my desktops
[06-Oct-2010 14:34:31] <Parabola|w> and servers
[06-Oct-2010 14:34:40] <Parabola|w> makes calling for RMAs alot easier
[06-Oct-2010 14:34:42] <fus10nx> ill have to download it and install it again and try it out
[06-Oct-2010 14:34:48] <Parabola|w> if you need help let me know
[06-Oct-2010 14:34:57] <fus10nx> thanks - from my understanding it's pretty simple
[06-Oct-2010 14:35:07] <Parabola|w> rmatte, you're right egors packs dont like template overrides
[06-Oct-2010 14:35:12] <Parabola|w> i tried to get it out of /CIM 
[06-Oct-2010 14:35:22] <newmon> xuru-- np, ill be here all day 
[06-Oct-2010 14:35:33] <fus10nx> oh yea that means I need to change all the device classes
[06-Oct-2010 14:35:36] <fus10nx> wonder how it will play
[06-Oct-2010 14:35:49] <Parabola|w> fus10nx,  make sure you install the WMI data zenpack, then the wmi performance one
[06-Oct-2010 14:36:27] <xuru> newmon: go here and download this to the zenoss box as the zenoss user.  You can use: "wget http://crawler.archive.org/cmdline-jmxclient/cmdline-jmxclient-0.10.3.jar" to do it, but here is the site:  http://crawler.archive.org/cmdline-jmxclient/downloads.html
[06-Oct-2010 14:36:39] <xuru> that will download a command line jmx client
[06-Oct-2010 14:36:52] <xuru> then as the zenoss user, you can try the jmx command
[06-Oct-2010 14:37:01] <newmon> ok
[06-Oct-2010 14:37:16] <newmon> thanks very much xuru
[06-Oct-2010 14:37:19] <newmon> will give it a shot
[06-Oct-2010 14:37:22] <xuru> anytime
[06-Oct-2010 14:37:46] <fus10nx> will do Parabola|w
[06-Oct-2010 14:37:55] <fus10nx> i dont understand why you can't put live grapghs on the dashboard
[06-Oct-2010 14:37:58] <fus10nx> that should deff be a feature
[06-Oct-2010 14:38:43] * Simon4_ has live graphs on his dashboard?
[06-Oct-2010 14:38:50] <xuru> newmon: see my comment here:  http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/2873#comment:11
[06-Oct-2010 14:39:07] <Simon4_> fus10nx: I use this: docs/DOC-3421
[06-Oct-2010 14:39:52] <fus10nx> ohhhhh snap
[06-Oct-2010 14:39:55] <fus10nx> works well ?
[06-Oct-2010 14:39:56] <mray> fus10nx: if you just need 1 graph, docs/DOC-5334
[06-Oct-2010 14:40:02] <Simon4_> does what it says on the tin
[06-Oct-2010 14:40:10] <fus10nx> yea mray i did that but its like what if i want to zoom ?
[06-Oct-2010 14:40:15] Simon4_ is now known as Simon4
[06-Oct-2010 14:40:15] <xuru> So, why doesn't zenoss take the SNMP SysName and set the Device Name if it's still the IP?
[06-Oct-2010 14:40:28] <fus10nx> change the device name - thats what i had to do
[06-Oct-2010 14:40:50] <xuru> I know, but it seems when you model a device, it should grab it's name
[06-Oct-2010 14:41:00] <xuru> at least it would be nice 
[06-Oct-2010 14:41:17] <Parabola|w> xuru all that is a bug
[06-Oct-2010 14:41:31] <xuru> ah
[06-Oct-2010 14:41:32] <Parabola|w> just like renaming the device from that edit box
[06-Oct-2010 14:41:40] <Parabola|w> it should actually rename the device, and it doesnt
[06-Oct-2010 14:41:45] <Parabola|w> you have to click the gear, and do rename device
[06-Oct-2010 14:41:56] <Parabola|w> you can verify its been renamed by looking at the URL of the device
[06-Oct-2010 14:41:57] <fus10nx> the gear is key to all success
[06-Oct-2010 14:42:02] <Parabola|w> +1
[06-Oct-2010 14:42:22] <xuru> hmm... setting it in the edit box works for me on 3.0.2
[06-Oct-2010 14:51:05] <xuru> is shift-select a known bug too?  having to hold down the control key and select them all is kind of a pain
[06-Oct-2010 14:53:01] <newmon> xuru-- cool, so i got a result using the jar command
[06-Oct-2010 14:53:25] <newmon> does this mean i may have an issue with the graph definitions?
[06-Oct-2010 14:53:54] <newmon> thus far i can jconsole from the zenoss server GUI and I can use the jar command from cli on the zenoss server to get results
[06-Oct-2010 14:54:05] <newmon> however, the graph remains unpopulated
[06-Oct-2010 14:54:30] <rmatte> xuru: it may appear to work, but if you check the device in a report you'll probably see the old name
[06-Oct-2010 14:54:50] <fus10nx> still working on this Parabola|w - ill keep you posted
[06-Oct-2010 14:55:16] <xuru> newmon: I think the next step would be to see if the data source works
[06-Oct-2010 14:55:31] <xuru> go to the device that you have the JMX template bound to it
[06-Oct-2010 14:55:48] <newmon> ok
[06-Oct-2010 14:55:52] <xuru> select the ZenJMX under the monitoring templates
[06-Oct-2010 14:56:01] <xuru> you should see a list of Data Sources
[06-Oct-2010 14:56:19] <newmon> so far i have HeapMemoryUsage as a data source
[06-Oct-2010 14:56:36] <xuru> there should be four of them
[06-Oct-2010 14:56:45] <newmon> I am using a locally defined template
[06-Oct-2010 14:56:57] <newmon> interesting, i may be using a different template
[06-Oct-2010 14:57:10] <xuru> yeah, i would remove the locally defined one
[06-Oct-2010 14:57:19] <newmon> ok.
[06-Oct-2010 14:57:22] <xuru> and bind it with the ZenJMX template
[06-Oct-2010 14:57:28] <newmon> so do i need to reinstall the zenpack?
[06-Oct-2010 14:57:32] <xuru> that will give you 4 data sources
[06-Oct-2010 14:57:34] <xuru> no
[06-Oct-2010 14:58:05] <xuru> under the gear menu, there should be a "Remove Local Template"
[06-Oct-2010 14:58:19] <newmon> got it
[06-Oct-2010 14:58:20] <xuru> or "Reset Bindings" will work as well
[06-Oct-2010 14:58:29] <xuru> then select "Bind Templates"
[06-Oct-2010 14:58:30] <newmon> ok,im going to bing the ZenJMX template now
[06-Oct-2010 14:58:33] <rmatte> no it won't, not if the template is a local copy
[06-Oct-2010 14:58:39] <xuru> ah, ok
[06-Oct-2010 14:58:58] <rmatte> If it's a local copy you need to remove it, then verify the bindings
[06-Oct-2010 14:58:59] <newmon> cool, i now have 4 data sources
[06-Oct-2010 14:59:05] * xuru feels nervous with rmatte looking over his shoulder 
[06-Oct-2010 14:59:12] <rmatte> hehe
[06-Oct-2010 14:59:13] <newmon> haha, don't we all!
[06-Oct-2010 14:59:15] <rmatte> 
[06-Oct-2010 14:59:15] <newmon> lol
[06-Oct-2010 14:59:18] <xuru> hehe
[06-Oct-2010 14:59:44] <xuru> ok, cool, try modeling the device and see if you start getting some data in your graphs
[06-Oct-2010 14:59:47] <rmatte> you're doing fine, I'm just making the odd correction so that you're aware 
[06-Oct-2010 14:59:49] <newmon> so im guessing i now need to define each data source, threshold and graph defintion?
[06-Oct-2010 14:59:51] <xuru> it may take a while
[06-Oct-2010 15:00:03] <newmon> modeling now
[06-Oct-2010 15:00:18] <xuru> newmon: no, you get all that for free... graphs anyway
[06-Oct-2010 15:00:25] <newmon> cool
[06-Oct-2010 15:00:59] <xuru> you may want to select the datasource, and select the gear in the top bar > View and Edit Details
[06-Oct-2010 15:01:05] <newmon> alright, the new graphs have shown up, but so far have not populated.
[06-Oct-2010 15:01:12] <newmon> ill take a look at the details
[06-Oct-2010 15:01:15] <xuru> I had to put the correct port number in there
[06-Oct-2010 15:01:43] <xuru> Down toward the bottom, "Management Port"
[06-Oct-2010 15:01:50] <newmon> the modeling mentioned something about a 'attribute error' for the management port
[06-Oct-2010 15:01:53] <newmon> i will do that now
[06-Oct-2010 15:02:01] <xuru> yeah
[06-Oct-2010 15:02:23] <newmon> should protocol be RMI or JMXXP
[06-Oct-2010 15:02:26] <xuru> I think that is a bug, becuase it should grab the zJmxManagementPort
[06-Oct-2010 15:02:38] <xuru> RMI
[06-Oct-2010 15:02:41] <newmon> ok
[06-Oct-2010 15:02:46] <xuru> I just left everything else alone
[06-Oct-2010 15:03:41] <newmon> cool, ive adjusted the port on the data sources
[06-Oct-2010 15:04:01] <xuru> I tried to put something like ${here/zJmxManagementPort} in the management port field, but it wouldn't take it (wanted a number)
[06-Oct-2010 15:04:28] <newmon> im being pulled away
[06-Oct-2010 15:04:31] <newmon> be back in a bit
[06-Oct-2010 15:04:36] <newmon> THANK YOU Xuru!!
[06-Oct-2010 15:04:42] <xuru> np
[06-Oct-2010 15:04:55] <xuru> 
[06-Oct-2010 15:04:59] <rmatte> well, now I know who to send people to for JMX issues
[06-Oct-2010 15:05:00] <rmatte> lol
[06-Oct-2010 15:05:10] <xuru> oh oh
[06-Oct-2010 15:05:13] <xuru> hehe
[06-Oct-2010 15:05:17] <rmatte> 
[06-Oct-2010 15:06:02] * xuru changes his nick
[06-Oct-2010 15:06:32] * rmatte keeps track of hostnames
[06-Oct-2010 15:06:34] <rmatte> >:)
[06-Oct-2010 15:06:39] <xuru> damn 
[06-Oct-2010 15:07:17] <xuru> so far JMX has been working great for me, except for Open File Descriptors
[06-Oct-2010 15:07:26] <xuru> I'm not sure how to get around it though
[06-Oct-2010 15:07:39] <xuru> It's an issue with ubuntu and debian systems
[06-Oct-2010 15:08:03] <xuru> the init scripts fire them off as root, and they change to the tomcat user
[06-Oct-2010 15:08:07] <rmatte> why specifically debian based systems?
[06-Oct-2010 15:08:13] <rmatte> ah
[06-Oct-2010 15:08:24] <xuru> that's fine, but then it doesn't have access to /proc/<pid>/fd anymore
[06-Oct-2010 15:08:35] <xuru> and that's where JMX pulls the info from
[06-Oct-2010 15:08:55] <xuru> something about the way the setup the init scripts I think
[06-Oct-2010 15:09:09] <rmatte> sounds like
[06-Oct-2010 15:09:13] <xuru> course if I change tomcat to run as root, it works fine
[06-Oct-2010 15:09:20] <xuru> but I really don't want to do that
[06-Oct-2010 15:09:46] <rmatte> you could just edit the startup script to launch as tomcat
[06-Oct-2010 15:09:50] <rmatte> if that's what's needed
[06-Oct-2010 15:10:32] <xuru> but then the next upgrade will break initscript again
[06-Oct-2010 15:10:51] <xuru> I'd rather not change files that belong from a package if possible
[06-Oct-2010 15:11:17] <xuru> now here is another wierd thing...
[06-Oct-2010 15:11:37] <xuru> I have a dev system and I tried running tomcat as root just to see if it would work
[06-Oct-2010 15:11:54] <xuru> and of course there were permision issues after changing it back to tomcat
[06-Oct-2010 15:11:54] <rmatte> well, you could create your own startup script that runs after that one and chmods those procs dirs
[06-Oct-2010 15:12:07] <xuru> so I chown'd all the tomcat directories
[06-Oct-2010 15:12:27] <xuru> when I started it up from the init scripts, it was running as tomcat and so was /proc
[06-Oct-2010 15:12:56] <xuru> rmatte: even root cat chown those
[06-Oct-2010 15:13:07] <xuru> they are open file descriptors
[06-Oct-2010 15:13:14] <rmatte> I see
[06-Oct-2010 15:13:19] <rmatte> hmm
[06-Oct-2010 15:13:53] <xuru> it's not that much of a show stopper
[06-Oct-2010 15:14:23] <xuru> just one of those puzzles that nag at the back of your head and insists on being solved
[06-Oct-2010 15:15:23] <rmatte> yup
[06-Oct-2010 15:16:02] <xuru> well, that and the 5000+ /Status/JMX events
[06-Oct-2010 15:16:22] <rmatte> lol
[06-Oct-2010 15:18:09] <xuru> what happens when zenoss gets a trap that it knows nothing about (the OID that is)?
[06-Oct-2010 15:19:09] <xuru> I'm getting "snmp trap enterprises.45.6.1.5.0.31", and when I try and look at the event, it wants to reload or dismiss
[06-Oct-2010 15:21:54] <fus10nx> how do i get to the transform in the new zenoss
[06-Oct-2010 15:22:14] <fus10nx> Navigate to /Events/Perf/Memory and select More -> Transform from the menu.  Insert the following transform and save:
[06-Oct-2010 15:23:13] <rmatte> I see you're installing my ZenPack
[06-Oct-2010 15:23:14] <rmatte> lol
[06-Oct-2010 15:23:38] <fus10nx> this is yours?
[06-Oct-2010 15:23:42] <fus10nx> it looks awesome ha ha
[06-Oct-2010 15:23:50] <fus10nx> i certainly wanna see all my cores !
[06-Oct-2010 15:24:50] <rmatte> Events -> Event Classes -> Perf -> Memory -> Gear menu in bottom left -> Transform
[06-Oct-2010 15:24:55] <rmatte> not much different
[06-Oct-2010 15:25:32] <fus10nx> thanks
[06-Oct-2010 15:25:33] <rmatte> make sure you have the the "bc" and "snmpwalk" utilities installed on the server
[06-Oct-2010 15:25:42] <rmatte> bc is pretty standard so you should already have it
[06-Oct-2010 15:25:48] <fus10nx> yea i have both
[06-Oct-2010 15:25:51] <rmatte> k
[06-Oct-2010 15:26:04] <fus10nx> so now my devices are already in /Server/Windows so i'll automatically see these graphs now?
[06-Oct-2010 15:26:10] <rmatte> I'm going to convert that pack to use a collector plugin eventually, I just haven't had a chance
[06-Oct-2010 15:26:15] <rmatte> no
[06-Oct-2010 15:26:46] <rmatte> they need to be put in to the appropriate sub class
[06-Oct-2010 15:27:02] <rmatte> /Server/Windows/1 Processor, etc...
[06-Oct-2010 15:27:19] <rmatte> there's no way to dynamically create datasources
[06-Oct-2010 15:27:24] <rmatte> so that's the only solution I could use
[06-Oct-2010 15:28:03] <rmatte> there are instructions on the ZenPack page on how to determine what class to put devices in
[06-Oct-2010 15:28:07] <rmatte> snmpwalk -v1 -c <snmp string> <host> hrProcessorLoad
[06-Oct-2010 15:28:18] <rmatte> the number of lines corresponds with the number of cores
[06-Oct-2010 15:28:23] <rmatte> so put it in the corresponding group
[06-Oct-2010 15:29:53] <QubeZ> to upgrade to 3.0.2, can I just use the stack installer or do I need some other modules as well?
[06-Oct-2010 15:29:58] <QubeZ> i dont see the upgrade doc
[06-Oct-2010 15:30:09] <rmatte> just use the stack installer
[06-Oct-2010 15:30:12] <ericenns> QubeZ: installation guide covers upgrade
[06-Oct-2010 15:30:15] <rmatte> run it and it'll walk you through the upgrade
[06-Oct-2010 15:30:26] <rmatte> you probably want to read the installation guide though
[06-Oct-2010 15:30:30] <QubeZ> ok thanks
[06-Oct-2010 15:30:36] <rmatte> since it explains backing up your data prior to the upgrade
[06-Oct-2010 15:30:37] <ericenns> rmatte: does stack work from an install that isn't initially stack
[06-Oct-2010 15:30:45] <rmatte> ericenns: no
[06-Oct-2010 15:31:03] <ericenns> ok didn't think so, didn't know if QubeZ used stack initially
[06-Oct-2010 15:31:33] <rmatte> ericenns: you have to upgrade using the same install source you did previously
[06-Oct-2010 15:31:35] <QubeZ> oh then i can't do that, i never used the stack installer
[06-Oct-2010 15:31:39] <QubeZ> i used rpm
[06-Oct-2010 15:31:47] <rmatte> then upgrade using rpm
[06-Oct-2010 15:31:57] <rmatte> just like you'd upgrade any other rpm
[06-Oct-2010 15:31:57] <ericenns> ya the guide covers rpm upgrade
[06-Oct-2010 15:32:02] <rmatte> yup
[06-Oct-2010 15:32:06] <QubeZ> only need the 3.0.2 rpm, not modules or anything like that right (zenpacks rpm)?
[06-Oct-2010 15:32:16] <ericenns> make sure you read the guide and don't just run an upgrade k
[06-Oct-2010 15:32:22] <rmatte> You probably want to install a newer zenpacks rpm if there is one
[06-Oct-2010 15:32:38] <rmatte> and yeh, read the guide
[06-Oct-2010 15:40:02] <mray> docs/DOC-4624 is getting closer to manageable
[06-Oct-2010 15:40:20] <mray> hitting up bigegor's 8 updates next
[06-Oct-2010 15:40:52] <st3v3o> mray I have two more I'll be sending in next monday
[06-Oct-2010 15:41:08] <st3v3o> out of the office this week for NANOG and ARIN meetings
[06-Oct-2010 15:41:22] <mray> st3v3o: yay
[06-Oct-2010 15:41:39] <newmon> hi xuru-- im back with an update
[06-Oct-2010 15:41:59] <xuru> cool, what did you find?
[06-Oct-2010 15:42:15] <newmon> unfortunately, graphs are still not populated
[06-Oct-2010 15:42:30] <newmon> should i edit the thresholds? i've made them to the debug leve
[06-Oct-2010 15:42:33] <newmon> *level
[06-Oct-2010 15:43:02] <newmon> also most datapoints are labeled (missing) on the thresholds details
[06-Oct-2010 15:43:17] <xuru> hmm... shouldn't ahve any thresholds that I'm aware of.  Unless you made them yourself?
[06-Oct-2010 15:43:45] <newmon> the event class is /perf/snmp be default, should that change to /status/JMX or /status/JMXConnection?
[06-Oct-2010 15:44:15] <rmatte> mray: I have my UCDFileSystem pack, and Cisco Mibs pack on the way within the next 2 to 3 days.  I'm also going to try to get that datasource pack I was talking about done before the 15th as well.
[06-Oct-2010 15:44:44] <newmon> i have deleted the threshold. I created it to see if i could get the graphs populated
[06-Oct-2010 15:44:51] <Sam-I-Am> mray: whats the 'interface graphs' zenpack on that list?
[06-Oct-2010 15:45:02] <Sam-I-Am> since that already seems to work... unless its just an update.
[06-Oct-2010 15:45:18] <xuru> newmon: it shouln't have anything to do with snmp...   you might want to just clear it off, and start over
[06-Oct-2010 15:45:39] <newmon> ok, i've removed the threshold
[06-Oct-2010 15:45:49] <newmon> i have zero thresholds at this point
[06-Oct-2010 15:45:53] <xuru> ok
[06-Oct-2010 15:46:05] <newmon> do i need to manage/edit the graph definitions?
[06-Oct-2010 15:46:13] <xuru> and 4 data sources
[06-Oct-2010 15:46:31] <newmon> yes, still have the 4 data sources
[06-Oct-2010 15:46:34] <xuru> each datasource needs to have the correct management port set
[06-Oct-2010 15:46:45] <newmon> yes, i have confirmed the port
[06-Oct-2010 15:46:51] <newmon> for each
[06-Oct-2010 15:46:53] <xuru> other then that, you shouldn't have to do anything else
[06-Oct-2010 15:47:14] <xuru> you tried from the command line and it worked right?
[06-Oct-2010 15:47:17] <newmon> i just ran a model and i am still getting the "attribute Error: zJmxManagementPort"
[06-Oct-2010 15:47:25] <newmon> i'll re-apply the ports
[06-Oct-2010 15:47:32] <newmon> yes, cli worked
[06-Oct-2010 15:48:05] <xuru> are you putting anything in the datasource other then the management port?
[06-Oct-2010 15:48:12] <xuru> and it's a number like 9000 right?
[06-Oct-2010 15:48:33] <newmon> i ran the following:  java -jar cmdline-jmxclient-0.10.3.jar "-:-" server_i_am_contacting:port_number_to_connect java.lang:type=Memory NonHeapMemoryUsage
[06-Oct-2010 15:48:56] <newmon> can i change the port number? I used a different port
[06-Oct-2010 15:49:10] <xuru> yeah
[06-Oct-2010 15:49:18] <newmon> the result was clean: committed: 42729472
[06-Oct-2010 15:49:20] <newmon> init: 24313856
[06-Oct-2010 15:49:21] <xuru> when you edit the datasource
[06-Oct-2010 15:49:21] <newmon> max: 226492416
[06-Oct-2010 15:49:23] <newmon> used: 42606584
[06-Oct-2010 15:49:37] <mray> Sam-I-Am: it's from Simon4
[06-Oct-2010 15:49:41] <xuru> put in the correct port under "management port" and it should be a number
[06-Oct-2010 15:50:07] <mray> "gives the ability to view all the interface stats for a device on a single page"
[06-Oct-2010 15:50:25] <mray> Sam-I-Am: http://projects.nzdance.net/interfaceGraphs.png
[06-Oct-2010 15:50:41] <mray> pretty sexy
[06-Oct-2010 15:50:47] <xuru> sweet
[06-Oct-2010 15:50:48] <newmon> yes, i have put in the same port as i used with the CLI command
[06-Oct-2010 15:51:01] * Simon4 waves 
[06-Oct-2010 15:51:27] <mray> Simon4: sorry for the delay, as you can see I just made it though Andrea Consadori's 8 new and 5 updated ZenPacks
[06-Oct-2010 15:51:27] <xuru> newmon: did you set the zJmxManagementPort in the configuration properties?
[06-Oct-2010 15:51:39] <Simon4> mray: no probs 
[06-Oct-2010 15:51:43] <newmon> yes, it is the same port
[06-Oct-2010 15:52:04] <mray> Simon4: we also just closed Subversion commits, so it's GitHub from here out
[06-Oct-2010 15:52:14] <Simon4> mray: yeah, I need to switch 
[06-Oct-2010 15:52:20] <Sam-I-Am> hmm.. my interface graphs are under 'components' ... generated by the interface modeler plugin
[06-Oct-2010 15:52:27] <mray> svn will continue to be available read-only
[06-Oct-2010 15:52:33] <xuru> newmon: model it again, and paste the output here: http://paste.pocoo.org/
[06-Oct-2010 15:52:33] <mray> and kept in-sync
[06-Oct-2010 15:52:48] <newmon> ok
[06-Oct-2010 15:53:00] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: yeah, it's a convenience zenpack to stop you having to click on each interface - makes spotting trends easy
[06-Oct-2010 15:53:18] <Sam-I-Am> now thats handy.  can i configure whats graphed via templates?
[06-Oct-2010 15:53:43] <Simon4> there are a couple of zProperties that control what bits of an interface are graphed, and how they're ordered
[06-Oct-2010 15:53:59] <Simon4> so you can say "give me throughput and errors only"
[06-Oct-2010 15:54:07] <Sam-I-Am> does it support custom graph definitions?
[06-Oct-2010 15:55:05] <Simon4> no, it's very simple - it just collects the interface graphs you would see under "components" and puts them in one place
[06-Oct-2010 15:55:10] <Sam-I-Am> ahhh ok
[06-Oct-2010 15:55:40] <Sam-I-Am> so whatever i have in there... i can select which ones might appear with your zenpack
[06-Oct-2010 15:55:41] <Simon4> it was the result of a conversation in here once and a need we had at work
[06-Oct-2010 15:56:08] <Sam-I-Am> its a really good idea... the people looking at graphs on my stuff always ask what to click
[06-Oct-2010 15:56:17] <Sam-I-Am> under that i can put the stuff they're most likely to need
[06-Oct-2010 15:56:35] <Sam-I-Am> which is more or less just throughput on a handful of interfaces... things like errors and stuff are for the netadmins to pay attention to
[06-Oct-2010 15:56:56] <Simon4> well.. this just does interfaces vs any other components, but it's great to just be able to see all the interfaces on one page
[06-Oct-2010 15:56:57] <st3v3o> what did I sent you 
[06-Oct-2010 15:57:05] <st3v3o> sorry wrong window
[06-Oct-2010 15:57:09] <Sam-I-Am> cool
[06-Oct-2010 15:57:13] <Sam-I-Am> well, i'll give it a shot when its out
[06-Oct-2010 15:57:35] <Sam-I-Am> right now i'm testing out 3 for rollout in a month or two
[06-Oct-2010 16:00:13] <Sam-I-Am> mray: not sure how much of a window you have into zenoss development, but i heard the next release (3.1?) might contain support for rrdcached... do you know if thats true?
[06-Oct-2010 16:00:25] <QubeZ> where do I find the zenpacks rpm? i never see it on the same page as the other's
[06-Oct-2010 16:00:45] <mray> Sam-I-Am: it's true
[06-Oct-2010 16:00:52] <mray> already checked in
[06-Oct-2010 16:00:54] <QubeZ> nevermind, followed the sourceforge link to all files
[06-Oct-2010 16:01:16] <Sam-I-Am> mray: awww yeah.  any idea on release date?
[06-Oct-2010 16:01:19] <mray> Sam-I-Am: thread/13718
[06-Oct-2010 16:01:27] <mray> release date… January maybe
[06-Oct-2010 16:01:32] <Sam-I-Am> that'll make my sysadmin happy
[06-Oct-2010 16:01:38] <mray> nothing official yet
[06-Oct-2010 16:01:55] <Sam-I-Am> he's been going nuclear over the idea of 30k+ rrd files getting accessed
[06-Oct-2010 16:02:18] <Sam-I-Am> its the "monitor more" crowd vs the cranky sysadmin that doesnt want his stuff grinding to a halt
[06-Oct-2010 16:02:23] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: only 30k? 
[06-Oct-2010 16:02:26] <Sam-I-Am> haha
[06-Oct-2010 16:02:31] <Sam-I-Am> initial estimate
[06-Oct-2010 16:02:44] * Simon4 has about 150k at last count 
[06-Oct-2010 16:02:57] <Sam-I-Am> still researching what all i can monitor... what the company and customers need graphed, etc.
[06-Oct-2010 16:03:00] <Sam-I-Am> wow
[06-Oct-2010 16:03:01] <Simon4> but yes, it's an IO headache
[06-Oct-2010 16:03:04] <Sam-I-Am> what sort of machine is doing that?
[06-Oct-2010 16:03:13] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: spread across four collectors
[06-Oct-2010 16:03:29] <Simon4> but disk IO was the killer, vs anything else
[06-Oct-2010 16:03:37] <Sam-I-Am> from what i've gleaned from rrdtool, it only updates one data point and a pointer for each cycle... but consolidation cycles and even reads for graphing could break the bank
[06-Oct-2010 16:03:41] <Simon4> rrdcached should make a huge difference
[06-Oct-2010 16:03:49] <QubeZ> I'm getting a dead link when trying to pull the install manual @ http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/Zenoss_Core_Installation_04-092010-3.0-v04.pdf
[06-Oct-2010 16:03:58] <QubeZ> its a link directly from the community zenoss site (broken)
[06-Oct-2010 16:04:05] <Sam-I-Am> hmm
[06-Oct-2010 16:04:39] <Sam-I-Am> QubeZ: huh, yeah
[06-Oct-2010 16:05:30] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: how many devices are you monitoring?
[06-Oct-2010 16:05:57] <Sam-I-Am> and how long does it take to complete an snmp/rrdupdate cycle?
[06-Oct-2010 16:06:07] <Sam-I-Am> assuming you've looking at 150k oids 
[06-Oct-2010 16:06:11] <Sam-I-Am> er, youre
[06-Oct-2010 16:07:23] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: about 700 at last count, but we have a custom ZenPack that raises the number of datapoints significantly
[06-Oct-2010 16:07:39] <Simon4> user applications can basically expose whatever datapoints they want, and we pick it up dynamically
[06-Oct-2010 16:07:44] <Sam-I-Am> ah
[06-Oct-2010 16:07:59] <Simon4> so if you're not doing that you can scale a lot further 
[06-Oct-2010 16:08:01] <Sam-I-Am> thats awesome
[06-Oct-2010 16:08:10] <xuru> how can I delete a zenpack when the zenpack command tracesback on trying to remove it?
[06-Oct-2010 16:08:31] <xuru> can I just delete it out of the Zenpacks directory?
[06-Oct-2010 16:08:53] <Sam-I-Am> this will mainly be about 50 devices... 20 base oids per device, then another 6-10 per network interface... up to 40 interfaces per device.
[06-Oct-2010 16:09:08] <Sam-I-Am> theres also another somewhat related set of 400 devices with much less to monitor per-device
[06-Oct-2010 16:09:17] <Sam-I-Am> and also at a larger interval
[06-Oct-2010 16:09:29] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: zenperfsnmp on one of our collectors is getting 16,000 OIDs in 70 seconds, even with one or two problematic devices
[06-Oct-2010 16:09:33] <Sam-I-Am> the 50 devices will need detailed info in rrd files for a long time making them a bit large
[06-Oct-2010 16:09:37] <Simon4> twisted snmp is very efficient
[06-Oct-2010 16:09:59] <Sam-I-Am> as oppose to netsnmp?
[06-Oct-2010 16:10:04] <pokui> twisted snmp?
[06-Oct-2010 16:10:13] <Simon4> twisted snmp is what the zenoss collector uses, sorry
[06-Oct-2010 16:10:19] <pokui> ah
[06-Oct-2010 16:10:34] <Sam-I-Am> oh, i thought it uses netsnmp
[06-Oct-2010 16:11:07] <Simon4> the collector is python, and uses a library called twisted for it's collection - asynchronous and very fast
[06-Oct-2010 16:11:18] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: what sort of cpu load during the probing cycle?
[06-Oct-2010 16:11:28] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: on the collector? very low
[06-Oct-2010 16:11:41] <Simon4> it's all about IO on collectors that I've seen
[06-Oct-2010 16:11:57] <Sam-I-Am> what sort of hardware do you have backing this?
[06-Oct-2010 16:12:32] <rmatte> ideal is about 3GHz, 4GB Ram, and fast disk(s), only need about 10GB to 20GB of space
[06-Oct-2010 16:12:50] <Simon4> yeah, space isn't the issue
[06-Oct-2010 16:13:06] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, rrdfiles are nicely static once created
[06-Oct-2010 16:13:12] <rmatte> yup
[06-Oct-2010 16:13:15] <Simon4> I'm running the RRD store on a 6 disk RAID0+1 array on the new collectors, makes IO nice and fast
[06-Oct-2010 16:13:33] <Simon4> and that's only because political issues stopped me buying 2 x SSD's and running em RAID-1
[06-Oct-2010 16:13:46] <Sam-I-Am> i think the sysadmin here is planning to run zenoss on a VM with iscsi access to 0/1 for rrd files
[06-Oct-2010 16:13:52] <xuru> SSD = yum
[06-Oct-2010 16:14:16] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: it's all about IOPS vs throughput
[06-Oct-2010 16:14:22] <Simon4> lots of read/write cycles basically
[06-Oct-2010 16:14:43] <xuru> how can you tell how much your pushing?
[06-Oct-2010 16:14:43] <Sam-I-Am> i bet rrdcached will fix a bunch of that
[06-Oct-2010 16:14:52] <xuru> I'm curious now
[06-Oct-2010 16:15:16] <rmatte> how much what you're pushing?
[06-Oct-2010 16:15:24] <Sam-I-Am> heh, zenoss needs a graph for how much resources its using 
[06-Oct-2010 16:15:29] <xuru> how much disk usage
[06-Oct-2010 16:15:39] <xuru> IOPs
[06-Oct-2010 16:15:44] <Sam-I-Am> thats i/o
[06-Oct-2010 16:15:57] <Sam-I-Am> good question... probably more of an underlying OS thing
[06-Oct-2010 16:16:13] <xuru> there's iotop
[06-Oct-2010 16:16:15] <Sam-I-Am> might be difficult given all the processes and multithreading
[06-Oct-2010 16:16:24] <xuru> but it's a realtime thing
[06-Oct-2010 16:17:18] <Simon4> xuru: you can apply the zenoss.snmp.UCDHardDiskMap modelling plugin to your zenoss host
[06-Oct-2010 16:17:31] <xuru> ah, there you go
[06-Oct-2010 16:17:33] <Simon4> which will give you physical partition level IO stats under the "hardware" tab
[06-Oct-2010 16:17:38] <Sam-I-Am> oooh
[06-Oct-2010 16:17:59] * Simon4 used it ages ago to teach the DBA's the real meaning of "IO Load"
[06-Oct-2010 16:18:37] <xuru> lol
[06-Oct-2010 16:19:41] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: box with 80k datapoints is doing on average 400-600IOPS
[06-Oct-2010 16:19:47] <Simon4> in my environment anyway
[06-Oct-2010 16:20:29] <Sam-I-Am> cool
[06-Oct-2010 16:20:40] <Sam-I-Am> where might i find that ucdharddiskmap plugin?
[06-Oct-2010 16:20:55] <Simon4> go to zproperties for the device
[06-Oct-2010 16:21:01] <Simon4> and then "collector plugins"
[06-Oct-2010 16:21:06] <Sam-I-Am> oh, so its built-in
[06-Oct-2010 16:21:11] <rmatte> yes
[06-Oct-2010 16:21:11] <Sam-I-Am> i was looking at zenpacks..
[06-Oct-2010 16:21:12] <Simon4> indeed
[06-Oct-2010 16:21:22] <Simon4> hidden awesome feature 
[06-Oct-2010 16:21:27] <rmatte> Simon4: "zProperties" doesn't exist anymore, it's just "Properties"
[06-Oct-2010 16:21:29] <rmatte> 
[06-Oct-2010 16:21:38] <Sam-I-Am> aww, "z" is trendy
[06-Oct-2010 16:21:40] <Simon4> rmatte: pfffff, I like being oldschool 
[06-Oct-2010 16:21:43] <rmatte> don't confuzzle people
[06-Oct-2010 16:22:03] * Simon4 will attempt to remember "Configuration Properties"
[06-Oct-2010 16:22:58] <Sam-I-Am> woot, got it
[06-Oct-2010 16:23:06] <Sam-I-Am> just need to get snmp on my test zenoss box
[06-Oct-2010 16:23:14] <xuru> I'm starting to think I should avoid cmd modeler plugins....
[06-Oct-2010 16:23:28] <Sam-I-Am> speaking of modeler plugins, anyone use routemap?
[06-Oct-2010 16:25:17] <rmatte> routemap is pretty much used by default
[06-Oct-2010 16:25:29] <rmatte> It just pulls down the network routes from the device
[06-Oct-2010 16:25:40] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, except when you're trying to monitor devices that contain the entire internet routing table
[06-Oct-2010 16:25:44] <Sam-I-Am> then it pukes
[06-Oct-2010 16:25:54] <rmatte> right
[06-Oct-2010 16:26:02] <rmatte> because it'll try to pull down every route
[06-Oct-2010 16:26:06] <Sam-I-Am> tep
[06-Oct-2010 16:26:08] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[06-Oct-2010 16:26:37] <Simon4> right.. social time.. night all
[06-Oct-2010 16:26:45] <xuru> night
[06-Oct-2010 16:26:47] <Sam-I-Am> so, the oids are organized as blah.blah.blah.1.2.3.4
[06-Oct-2010 16:26:50] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: night, thanks
[06-Oct-2010 16:27:07] <Sam-I-Am> would be nice to be able to filter based on maybe the first few octets
[06-Oct-2010 16:27:15] <rmatte> you can
[06-Oct-2010 16:27:22] <rmatte> it just takes some minor craftiness
[06-Oct-2010 16:27:25] <Sam-I-Am> sheeeit, really?
[06-Oct-2010 16:27:38] <rmatte> are you talking about filtering traps?
[06-Oct-2010 16:27:56] <rmatte> oh, you mean filtering routes
[06-Oct-2010 16:27:57] <Sam-I-Am> no, just filtering what routemap pulls during modeling for dependency purposes
[06-Oct-2010 16:28:00] <rmatte> nah, you can't do that
[06-Oct-2010 16:28:02] <Sam-I-Am> damn
[06-Oct-2010 16:28:12] <Sam-I-Am> cant use auto-dependencies without it...
[06-Oct-2010 16:28:32] <rmatte> the dependencies don't even work that well anyways
[06-Oct-2010 16:28:42] <Sam-I-Am> might not be super hard to modify it only to grab routes for my two /16 networks
[06-Oct-2010 16:28:47] <Sam-I-Am> oh, boo
[06-Oct-2010 16:29:05] <Sam-I-Am> its one of those "things" on my list to test with 3 that didnt work on 2
[06-Oct-2010 16:29:07] <rmatte> I'm never able to grab every route to make the dependencies work
[06-Oct-2010 16:29:13] <rmatte> you literally need every device in Zenoss
[06-Oct-2010 16:29:21] <rmatte> and have all routes pulled down
[06-Oct-2010 16:29:35] <Sam-I-Am> i can manage that aside from the internet routing table problem
[06-Oct-2010 16:29:42] <Sam-I-Am> all 320k or so routes 
[06-Oct-2010 16:29:52] <rmatte> even the smallest gap in topology and it'll complain and not work
[06-Oct-2010 16:30:20] <rmatte> you can tell Zenoss only to pull down local routes, but it still goes over the entire table of routes
[06-Oct-2010 16:30:27] <rmatte> it just won't pull them in to the database
[06-Oct-2010 16:30:42] <Sam-I-Am> how do i tell it which routes to pull?
[06-Oct-2010 16:31:18] <rmatte> There are some Properties...
[06-Oct-2010 16:31:22] <rmatte> zRouteMapCollectOnlyLocal
[06-Oct-2010 16:31:25] <rmatte> zRouteMapCollectOnlyIndirect
[06-Oct-2010 16:31:30] <rmatte> zRouteMapMaxRoutes
[06-Oct-2010 16:31:40] <rmatte> those are the only options you have
[06-Oct-2010 16:31:54] <Sam-I-Am> hmm
[06-Oct-2010 16:34:18] <Sam-I-Am> how does it determine a local route?
[06-Oct-2010 16:34:55] <rmatte> no idea, but it does know the difference
[06-Oct-2010 16:35:00] <rmatte> probably based on the OID or something
[06-Oct-2010 16:35:47] <Sam-I-Am> hmm...
[06-Oct-2010 16:35:57] <Sam-I-Am> theres also something called 'ospfroutemap' in the list of plugins...
[06-Oct-2010 16:36:05] <rmatte> yeh
[06-Oct-2010 16:36:10] <Sam-I-Am> havent seen that before
[06-Oct-2010 16:36:19] <rmatte> not sure exactly what that does
[06-Oct-2010 16:36:31] <rmatte> though I'd imagine it would pull down routes from OSPF
[06-Oct-2010 16:36:46] <rmatte> though it's not like there's an eigrproutemap plugin listed there
[06-Oct-2010 16:36:46] <rmatte> lol
[06-Oct-2010 16:37:02] <Sam-I-Am> i suspect so.. will need to investigate further.  if it does ospf only, that'd keep the big honkin' bgp table out of zenoss
[06-Oct-2010 16:37:12] <rmatte> yeh
[06-Oct-2010 16:37:24] <Sam-I-Am> just need to figure out how it integrates into zenoss dependency mapping... if at all
[06-Oct-2010 16:37:30] <Sam-I-Am> mmm, so. many. things.
[06-Oct-2010 16:37:42] <rmatte> it's just modeler plugin
[06-Oct-2010 16:37:48] <rmatte> you apply it against a device or device class
[06-Oct-2010 16:37:50] <rmatte> them remodel the device
[06-Oct-2010 16:37:52] <Sam-I-Am> yeah
[06-Oct-2010 16:37:54] <Sam-I-Am> gonna try it
[06-Oct-2010 16:38:25] <Sam-I-Am> just not sure if zenoss will use it for dependencies
[06-Oct-2010 16:38:58] <rmatte> If it pulls it down as a route it will
[06-Oct-2010 16:39:04] <rmatte> as long as you see routes in the routes component
[06-Oct-2010 16:40:53] <Sam-I-Am> local appears to grab routes defined as 'local' in the router... which seems to be connected
[06-Oct-2010 16:41:24] <rmatte> yup
[06-Oct-2010 16:41:41] <Sam-I-Am> theres also indirect...
[06-Oct-2010 16:42:58] <rmatte> which just means a route to a device through another device
[06-Oct-2010 16:43:17] <Sam-I-Am> yeah
[06-Oct-2010 16:43:32] <Sam-I-Am> not sure exactly how much zenoss needs to build dependencie
[06-Oct-2010 16:43:44] <Sam-I-Am> not that they'd work, but its something to experiment with
[06-Oct-2010 16:43:49] <Sam-I-Am> on my list of "requests"
[06-Oct-2010 16:44:51] <rmatte> well, they do work in theory, I'm just saying I've never gotten them working
[06-Oct-2010 16:57:04] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, ospfroutemap didnt do anything...
[06-Oct-2010 16:57:24] <Sam-I-Am> also found 'newroutemap' ... cant seem to figure out if it added any new configuration properties.
[06-Oct-2010 16:57:32] <Sam-I-Am> still see the same 3... indirect, local, max routes
[06-Oct-2010 16:57:51] <rmatte> the config properties don't get dynamically added by collector plugins
[06-Oct-2010 16:58:01] <rmatte> the only time they are added or removed is when installing/removing ZenPacks
[06-Oct-2010 16:58:10] <rmatte> other than that, what you see is what you get
[06-Oct-2010 16:58:42] <Sam-I-Am> ah
[06-Oct-2010 16:58:48] <Sam-I-Am> well, guess these didnt add anything
[06-Oct-2010 17:01:11] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, looks like i might be able to hack these plugins
[06-Oct-2010 17:02:51] <rmatte> yeh, I've modified collector plugins on a few occasions
[06-Oct-2010 17:02:58] <rmatte> It's not too difficult
[06-Oct-2010 17:03:16] <rmatte> Though I'd recommend copying it to a different name and modifying that instead
[06-Oct-2010 17:03:27] <rmatte> I don't modify the actual existing plugins
[06-Oct-2010 17:03:39] <rmatte> and after copying it you need to go in and change any instance of the old name in the file to the new name
[06-Oct-2010 17:03:53] <rmatte> there should be 3 instances I believe
[06-Oct-2010 17:06:16] <Sam-I-Am> hence 'routemap' and 'newroutemap'
[06-Oct-2010 17:07:11] <xuru> is it community.wmi.DiskDriveMap that gets you the IOPS graph on the windows boxes?
[06-Oct-2010 17:08:07] <rmatte> xuru: You're talking about a Windows server?
[06-Oct-2010 17:08:20] <xuru> I'm using zenoss.snmp.UCDHardDiskMap but I don't see an IOPS graph on my linux box
[06-Oct-2010 17:08:23] <xuru> rmatte: yes
[06-Oct-2010 17:08:31] <rmatte> wmi is for windows, not Linux
[06-Oct-2010 17:08:36] <xuru> I know
[06-Oct-2010 17:08:46] <xuru> the windows server has an IOPS graph
[06-Oct-2010 17:08:46] <rmatte> Where are you looking for the IOPs graph?
[06-Oct-2010 17:08:51] <xuru> I wan that for my linux box
[06-Oct-2010 17:08:55] <Simon4> xuru: check the hardware tab
[06-Oct-2010 17:08:58] <Simon4> not the OS tab
[06-Oct-2010 17:09:09] <Simon4> and you'll need to remodel the device
[06-Oct-2010 17:09:15] <rmatte> yeh, you're probably looking at the wrong tab
[06-Oct-2010 17:09:27] <xuru> 3.0.2?
[06-Oct-2010 17:09:45] <rmatte> Hardware in components on the device page
[06-Oct-2010 17:09:53] <rmatte> which has replaced the tabs that were in 2.5.2
[06-Oct-2010 17:09:59] <xuru> ok
[06-Oct-2010 17:10:00] <rmatte> look on the left
[06-Oct-2010 17:10:17] <xuru> I don't have a Hardware component
[06-Oct-2010 17:10:28] * Simon4 tries it in 3.0.2
[06-Oct-2010 17:10:37] <rmatte> how can you not?
[06-Oct-2010 17:10:40] * rmatte checks 3.0
[06-Oct-2010 17:10:45] <xuru> *shrug*
[06-Oct-2010 17:11:10] <rmatte> I'm sick of everything being moved around, makes explaining anything 10 times as hard
[06-Oct-2010 17:11:10] <rmatte> lol
[06-Oct-2010 17:11:17] <xuru> hehe
[06-Oct-2010 17:11:18] <Simon4> xuru: you should get a set of componetns called "Hard Disks" after remodelling
[06-Oct-2010 17:11:21] * Simon4 does
[06-Oct-2010 17:11:31] <xuru> yes, I have Hard Disks
[06-Oct-2010 17:11:36] <rmatte> k, look at that
[06-Oct-2010 17:11:40] <rmatte> those are the physical disks
[06-Oct-2010 17:11:46] <Simon4> those _should_ populate graphs with iops, etc
[06-Oct-2010 17:11:47] <rmatte> that will give you IOPs
[06-Oct-2010 17:12:11] <xuru> ok, that's what I thought, but there is no graph and the type, RPM is blank and size is 0
[06-Oct-2010 17:12:19] <xuru> status is unknown
[06-Oct-2010 17:12:27] <Simon4> type and RPM is blank on mine too
[06-Oct-2010 17:12:33] <Simon4> just giving it 10 min to see if it graphs
[06-Oct-2010 17:12:47] * Simon4 hasn't done this in 3 before
[06-Oct-2010 17:12:57] <xuru> yeah, it's been about 10 minutes already
[06-Oct-2010 17:13:21] <xuru> wouldn't the graph come up anyway though?
[06-Oct-2010 17:13:25] <xuru> just empty?
[06-Oct-2010 17:13:32] <rmatte> 15 minutes for graph generation
[06-Oct-2010 17:13:41] <rmatte> do you at least see "nan" for the values in the graph?
[06-Oct-2010 17:13:45] <Simon4> xuru: not until anything has been collected
[06-Oct-2010 17:13:58] <xuru> no graph at all
[06-Oct-2010 17:14:23] <xuru> I'll wait a while and see what happens
[06-Oct-2010 17:14:35] <rmatte> xuru: well, do you have Graphs selected in the dropdown?
[06-Oct-2010 17:14:44] <rmatte> there's different sections that you can select
[06-Oct-2010 17:14:46] <xuru> rmatte: hehe, yes
[06-Oct-2010 17:14:48] <rmatte> k
[06-Oct-2010 17:15:03] <xuru> I know, you have to ask 
[06-Oct-2010 17:15:27] <xuru> at least it sees the drives
[06-Oct-2010 17:15:39] <xuru> cciss_c0d0p1
[06-Oct-2010 17:15:47] <rmatte> yeh, but you should at least be seeing a graph with "nan" values
[06-Oct-2010 17:15:54] <rmatte> since the RRD should have been created on first poll
[06-Oct-2010 17:15:55] <Simon4> xuru: no debug events for that device?
[06-Oct-2010 17:16:46] <xuru> nope
[06-Oct-2010 17:17:00] <xuru> I could try modeling it with debug, see if I see anything
[06-Oct-2010 17:17:02] <rmatte> Simon4: maybe it's a template thing?
[06-Oct-2010 17:17:06] <Simon4> xuru: if you click on a hard disk - and pick "template" from the "Display" drop down
[06-Oct-2010 17:17:09] <Simon4> what do you see?
[06-Oct-2010 17:17:15] <xuru> nothing in the list
[06-Oct-2010 17:17:21] * Simon4 also 
[06-Oct-2010 17:17:27] <rmatte> xuru: are you literally seeing no graph at all, or do you at least see the arrows to navigate right and left through the graph?
[06-Oct-2010 17:17:28] <Simon4> I wonder if that exists - lemme check
[06-Oct-2010 17:17:38] <Simon4> rmatte: I'm seeing no template bound to the component
[06-Oct-2010 17:17:41] <rmatte> k
[06-Oct-2010 17:17:42] <xuru> rmatte: no graph at all
[06-Oct-2010 17:18:06] <rmatte> If he's not seeing a graph at all it's a template issue
[06-Oct-2010 17:18:09] <Simon4> okay
[06-Oct-2010 17:18:10] <Simon4> wierd
[06-Oct-2010 17:18:26] <Simon4> in a fresh 3.0.2 install the HardDisk template is only applied under /Server/Windows
[06-Oct-2010 17:18:32] * Simon4 wonders who regressed what
[06-Oct-2010 17:18:41] <xuru> oh?
[06-Oct-2010 17:19:01] <Simon4> xuru: I don't think it's you 
[06-Oct-2010 17:19:11] <xuru> ah, ha
[06-Oct-2010 17:19:16] <rmatte> Simon4: sounds like a trac ticket begging to be opened
[06-Oct-2010 17:19:26] <xuru> I'll do an override and see if that works
[06-Oct-2010 17:19:43] <Simon4> rmatte: yeah, the only HardDisk template is designed for snmp informant
[06-Oct-2010 17:20:07] <xuru> I was wondering why you guys excited about it 
[06-Oct-2010 17:20:25] <Simon4> wah hey
[06-Oct-2010 17:20:30] <newmon> xuru-- so another update
[06-Oct-2010 17:20:33] <Simon4> xuru: if yo uoverride it to /Devices
[06-Oct-2010 17:20:41] <Simon4> it starts to try and draw graphs
[06-Oct-2010 17:20:47] <newmon> i've gone through the rebuild (host, template, configurations, etc)
[06-Oct-2010 17:20:55] <newmon> still no graph input.
[06-Oct-2010 17:21:13] <newmon> where are the thresholds set, if I don't manually create them?
[06-Oct-2010 17:21:13] <rmatte> I'm done for the day, be back tomorrow
[06-Oct-2010 17:21:32] <Sam-I-Am> seeya, thanks
[06-Oct-2010 17:21:37] <xuru> rmatte: see ya
[06-Oct-2010 17:21:51] <xuru> newmon: there are no thresholds by default
[06-Oct-2010 17:22:11] <xuru> newmon: should get it actually graphing something first
[06-Oct-2010 17:22:13] <newmon> so what is being 'monitored'?
[06-Oct-2010 17:22:56] <xuru> well, there is monitoring for historical purposes, and there are alerts
[06-Oct-2010 17:23:28] <xuru> because JMX is different in a lot of different shops, you kind of have to set those yourself
[06-Oct-2010 17:23:49] <xuru> newmon: that kind of sucks that it didn't work
[06-Oct-2010 17:24:00] <newmon> yea... i really appreciate your help though
[06-Oct-2010 17:24:00] <xuru> is it giving you that attribute error?
[06-Oct-2010 17:24:04] <newmon> yes
[06-Oct-2010 17:24:21] <xuru> is this a test box that you are on?
[06-Oct-2010 17:24:22] <newmon> i would like monitoring and alerts and hopefully reporting
[06-Oct-2010 17:24:38] <newmon> yes
[06-Oct-2010 17:24:47] <newmon> but it's higher then a dev/qa status
[06-Oct-2010 17:24:57] <xuru> ah
[06-Oct-2010 17:25:00] <newmon> so i cant completely blow it up
[06-Oct-2010 17:25:01] <xuru> what are you running on it?
[06-Oct-2010 17:25:10] <newmon> centos 5
[06-Oct-2010 17:25:23] <Simon4> xuru: http://projects.nzdance.net/template.png is the template in 2.5 which is called HardDisk under /Devices
[06-Oct-2010 17:25:39] <Simon4> if you recreate it in v3 in the same place you should get the graphs
[06-Oct-2010 17:25:52] <xuru> ah, sweet, thanks
[06-Oct-2010 17:25:59] <Simon4> but really, it's a trac ticket to be raised since it's a regression from 2.5 to 3
[06-Oct-2010 17:26:43] <xuru> newmon: not sure what to tell you at this point
[06-Oct-2010 17:27:01] <newmon> no worries, i'll bang my head a few more hours
[06-Oct-2010 17:27:05] <newmon> again, thank you
[06-Oct-2010 17:27:13] <xuru> newmon: you could always uninstall zenoss, clean off the pc and install it again
[06-Oct-2010 17:27:19] <xuru> good luck
[06-Oct-2010 17:27:51] <newmon> zenoss works fine for all other devices and monitors on the 'problem' machine
[06-Oct-2010 17:27:56] <newmon> just not for the JMX stuff
[06-Oct-2010 17:27:59] <newmon> boo
[06-Oct-2010 17:28:11] <xuru> bummer
[06-Oct-2010 17:29:23] <xuru> newmon: hey, just a thought
[06-Oct-2010 17:29:31] <newmon> sure
[06-Oct-2010 17:29:36] <xuru> if you got that command line jmx app still
[06-Oct-2010 17:29:52] <xuru> you can always make a command template
[06-Oct-2010 17:30:14] <xuru> i.e. make your own template, and cal that app from the data source
[06-Oct-2010 17:30:30] <xuru> not exactly sure how you do it, but it's possible
[06-Oct-2010 17:30:57] <newmon> that sounds like a ton of work, since i would have no idea on 'how' to do that
[06-Oct-2010 17:31:05] <newmon> it is something to keep in mind though....
[06-Oct-2010 17:31:19] <xuru> yeah
[06-Oct-2010 17:31:26] <newmon> this is kinda important, so i may invest some time
[06-Oct-2010 17:32:43] <newmon> the 'model time' listed on the overview tab is stated as 1969/12/31 16:00:00
[06-Oct-2010 17:32:50] <newmon> which is obviously wrong
[06-Oct-2010 17:33:17] <newmon> i wonder how i can update that.
[06-Oct-2010 17:33:44] <xuru> mine are correct
[06-Oct-2010 17:33:59] <xuru> Does your server have the correct time?
[06-Oct-2010 17:34:32] <xuru> Simon4: sweet, got the empty graph now
[06-Oct-2010 17:34:51] <newmon> this is just for the problem server
[06-Oct-2010 17:34:55] <Simon4> xuru: nice one 
[06-Oct-2010 17:34:57] <newmon> all others seem to be accurate
[06-Oct-2010 17:35:17] <Simon4> remind me tommorrow to raise a "wtf is our template" ticket
[06-Oct-2010 17:36:51] <newmon> scratch that... it seems like several Linux machines are reporting the same inaccuracy
[06-Oct-2010 17:46:33] <Sam-I-Am> does zenoss call the compiled version of a modeling plugin?
[06-Oct-2010 17:46:35] <Sam-I-Am> or any other thing...
[06-Oct-2010 17:48:33] <ericenns> nah
[06-Oct-2010 17:49:06] <Sam-I-Am> so whats the  pyc and pyo files for?
[06-Oct-2010 17:49:10] <ericenns> I sometimes just edit the .py file and don't compile it and it will take my changes
[06-Oct-2010 17:49:28] <Sam-I-Am> disclaimer (if you can't tell) ... i'm not a python coder
[06-Oct-2010 17:50:05] <ericenns> I'm a beginner python coder, It may compile them as a way to test if there good, I may be outta town also lol
[06-Oct-2010 17:51:13] <cmcgraw> http://docs.python.org/tutorial/modules.html#compiled-python-files
[06-Oct-2010 17:51:23] <ericenns> maybe it does use the compiled files
[06-Oct-2010 17:52:45] <Sam-I-Am> cmcgraw: ding, thanks!
[06-Oct-2010 17:53:08] <cmcgraw> no prob
[06-Oct-2010 17:56:13] <Simon4> you don't need to compile a py file
[06-Oct-2010 17:56:28] <Simon4> python automatically picks up any changes and makes the pyc/pyo files
[06-Oct-2010 17:56:47] <Simon4> but if you don't change the py it will use the pre"compiled" ones that are there
[06-Oct-2010 17:58:43] <Sam-I-Am> got it
[06-Oct-2010 18:02:30] <xuru> Simon4: so is UCDHardDiskMap windows only?
[06-Oct-2010 18:02:43] <xuru> or informant only?
[06-Oct-2010 18:02:51] <Simon4> xuru: not at all, it's linux only as far as I know
[06-Oct-2010 18:03:03] <Simon4> it seems that in 3.0 they missed out the template to go with the modeller plugin
[06-Oct-2010 18:03:12] <xuru> Error reading value for "cciss/c0d0p6" on 172.22.3.240 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.1.1.15.30 is bad)
[06-Oct-2010 18:03:25] <xuru> I got that part working, but now I get that
[06-Oct-2010 18:03:43] <Simon4> hence the oids in the template I posted the screenshot for are different from the "HardDisk" template in 3.0
[06-Oct-2010 18:04:02] <xuru> oh, sorry, didn't catch that
[06-Oct-2010 18:04:04] <Simon4> yeah, you'll need to create a new template thatmatches the screenshot I posted, put it in /Devices/Server or similar
[06-Oct-2010 18:04:14] <Simon4> vs overriding the windows one
[06-Oct-2010 18:04:56] <Simon4> I'll open a ticket with zenoss to get it put back tomorrow (it's late here in the uk) but to get it working now you can just add the template manually
[06-Oct-2010 18:05:12] <xuru> yeah, np
[06-Oct-2010 18:12:10] <Sam-I-Am> so if i were to change some of the properties for a plugin that would show up under configuration, how do i get zenoss to show them if it doesnt repopulate the list automatically? (referencing earlier conversation)
[06-Oct-2010 18:12:35] <Sam-I-Am> for example, adding a function to the routemap plugin so you can select a particular routing protocol to grab
[06-Oct-2010 18:16:50] <xuru> do any of you guys notice an issue with firefox and the zenoss web interface?
[06-Oct-2010 18:17:12] <xuru> it seems like when I just start firefox, everything is pretty snappy
[06-Oct-2010 18:17:22] <xuru> but then a few hours later it's just crawling
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[06-Oct-2010 19:07:26] <imeyer> xuru: that's just firefox 
[06-Oct-2010 20:57:36] <newmon> xuru-- are you still around?
[06-Oct-2010 20:57:40] <newmon> I got it working!!!
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[07-Oct-2010 01:55:27] <sergeymasushko> hi 2 all. we tried to update zenoss to 3.0.2. Looks like it is started, but seems zencommand daemon does not work... or maybe there is something else... Please take a look at this http://fpaste.org/H6k3/
[07-Oct-2010 02:02:27] <Parabola> hm
[07-Oct-2010 02:02:37] <Parabola> sergeymasushko did you try a simple "zenoss restart" as the user zenoss?
[07-Oct-2010 02:09:58] <sergeymasushko> sure
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[07-Oct-2010 05:16:16] <mattish> good morning 
[07-Oct-2010 05:50:39] Simon4_ is now known as Simon4
[07-Oct-2010 06:11:35] <mattish> our zenoss server is feeling a bit poorly, diskio/iowait wise, Im guessing this is just down to the machine not being upto the job, we have just under 17k rrd files in perf
[07-Oct-2010 06:11:52] <mattish> new server with a decent raid array the best option here ?
[07-Oct-2010 06:12:09] <Simon4> mattish: yeah, get the RRD files onto a set of spindles that's not shared with anything else
[07-Oct-2010 06:12:45] <mattish> watching iotop it appears to be the mysqld that is eating the io tho ? is that expected ?
[07-Oct-2010 06:13:18] <mattish> sorry if these are daft questions, I dont usually manage our zenoss box here and dont know it very well
[07-Oct-2010 06:14:15] <Simon4> I have seen that before.. I presume you hae mysql and the rrd files sharing a partition?
[07-Oct-2010 06:15:13] <mattish> yes
[07-Oct-2010 06:15:32] <mattish> its the usual case of a box being put together quickly to trial zenoss, then getting put into production :|
[07-Oct-2010 06:15:56] <Simon4> I would definitely separate those out onto different physical spindles... since otherwise collection/graphing fights with event management
[07-Oct-2010 06:16:00] <mattish> zenoss seems to be working well, bar the load, so i guess its time to upgrade the server
[07-Oct-2010 06:16:18] <Simon4> we run a large install here with a fully separate MySQL server for htat reason
[07-Oct-2010 06:16:42] <mattish> would it be worth trying a second normal disk for the rrd's and seeing if that helps ?
[07-Oct-2010 06:16:57] <sergeymasushko> with my zenoss also something wrong. could you please take a look at this? Please take a look at this http://fpaste.org/H6k3/
[07-Oct-2010 06:17:04] <Simon4> yeah, or by the sounds of it in your install, maybe move mysql to that second disk
[07-Oct-2010 06:18:11] <mattish> the rrd usage is seperate from the mysql usage im guessing ?
[07-Oct-2010 06:19:07] <Simon4> correct
[07-Oct-2010 06:19:19] <Simon4> rrd files live under /opt/zenoss/perf and hold all the data that's used for graphing etc
[07-Oct-2010 06:19:35] <Simon4> the mysql data lives wherever your install of mysql lives, and holds all the events
[07-Oct-2010 06:19:50] <mattish> so if the multiple mysql instances are hitting 100% io sometimes more than one at 100% there is a heavy mysql load too ?
[07-Oct-2010 06:20:04] <Simon4> sounds like it yes
[07-Oct-2010 06:20:08] <mattish> (using iotop)
[07-Oct-2010 06:20:27] <Simon4> it could also be that some mysql buffer tuning will help a bit
[07-Oct-2010 06:20:32] <Simon4> (not a DBA)
[07-Oct-2010 06:20:41] <mattish> nor me, i will ask someone who knows a bit more 
[07-Oct-2010 06:21:18] <mattish> doesnt seem quite right that the mysqld is eating so much io performance, its not a massive install
[07-Oct-2010 06:21:58] <Simon4> how many events have you got in the system?
[07-Oct-2010 06:22:08] <sergeymasushko> mattish: what is the hrardware there?
[07-Oct-2010 06:25:56] <mattish> intel e3120, 4gb ddr2 800mhz, standard sata disk
[07-Oct-2010 06:26:02] <mattish> the disk is the issue here im sure
[07-Oct-2010 06:26:28] <fragfutter> mattish: a typical stock mysql package (as supplied by package management) is tuned for small memory size
[07-Oct-2010 06:27:28] <mattish> ok ill have a look at the conf and see if theres anything i can do to improve it
[07-Oct-2010 06:27:49] <fragfutter> mattish: you might want to increase buffer sizes a lot. Depending if you are using innodb or myisam as storage engine
[07-Oct-2010 06:28:21] <fragfutter> http://fpaste.org/Dpz1/
[07-Oct-2010 06:28:43] <fragfutter> and wiping older event data helps a lot
[07-Oct-2010 06:28:51] <mattish> ta
[07-Oct-2010 06:29:22] <fragfutter> i dropped from 350k to 50k events yesterday and speedup is noticeable
[07-Oct-2010 06:30:20] <sergeymasushko> so can someone guide me with my issue?
[07-Oct-2010 06:37:33] <mattish> fragfutter, which config file did those come from ?
[07-Oct-2010 06:40:39] <DUEDAHL> i keep getting this error then trying til monitor windows 7 with WMI -> http://pastebin.com/X4UPkRG4
[07-Oct-2010 06:40:56] <DUEDAHL> does anybody know this error?
[07-Oct-2010 06:44:31] <fragfutter> mattish: /etc/my.cnf
[07-Oct-2010 06:44:56] <mattish> ive got a very large ibdata1 so im guessing its using innodb
[07-Oct-2010 06:46:46] <mattish> is there not a way of tidying up the db ?
[07-Oct-2010 06:55:27] <fragfutter> mattish: you mean deleting old events?
[07-Oct-2010 06:55:40] <mattish> im not sure really, the db seems far too big
[07-Oct-2010 06:55:43] <mattish> 51gb!
[07-Oct-2010 06:55:56] <fragfutter> connect to your mysql instance with a mysql client
[07-Oct-2010 06:56:32] <fragfutter> select count(*) from history;
[07-Oct-2010 07:00:27] <mattish> one mo
[07-Oct-2010 07:18:02] <mattish> maybe a bit more than one mo, its taking forever
[07-Oct-2010 07:18:04] <mattish> lol
[07-Oct-2010 07:22:23] <Simon4> heh, that's quite the history table 
[07-Oct-2010 07:22:49] <Simon4> mattish: you can tell zenoss to only keep N days of history, sounds like currently you're keeping it forever
[07-Oct-2010 07:23:21] <mattish> I was told by the guys that installed it that it was clearing older history, guess it isnt tho
[07-Oct-2010 07:23:28] <mattish> its still going!
[07-Oct-2010 07:26:49] <mattish> under the zenoss gui its set to delete history older than 60days
[07-Oct-2010 07:27:02] <fragfutter> 
[07-Oct-2010 07:27:39] <fragfutter> actualy where is the option in the 3.0 gui to set this automatic delete?
[07-Oct-2010 07:28:07] <mattish> this box is still 2.5.something
[07-Oct-2010 07:48:41] <mattish> hmm, its still going :|
[07-Oct-2010 07:53:07] <mattish> finished .. yey
[07-Oct-2010 07:53:15] <mattish> only took 36mins
[07-Oct-2010 07:53:23] <mattish> 28700591 lol
[07-Oct-2010 07:53:46] <fragfutter> cleaning day...
[07-Oct-2010 07:53:54] <mattish> indeed
[07-Oct-2010 07:54:18] <mattish> is that really just 60days worth ? im guessing the delete bit isnt doing what it should ?
[07-Oct-2010 07:56:13] <fragfutter> select distinct stateChange from history order by stateChange limit 10;
[07-Oct-2010 07:56:38] <fragfutter> wait
[07-Oct-2010 07:56:44] <fragfutter> no key on stateChange
[07-Oct-2010 07:56:46] <fragfutter> bad idea
[07-Oct-2010 07:57:19] <mattish> Im going to have a think on what to do now, and run it past the chap who set this box up
[07-Oct-2010 07:57:24] <fragfutter> select distinct from_unixtime(firstTime) from history order by firstTime limit 10;
[07-Oct-2010 07:57:33] <mattish> whats distinct ?
[07-Oct-2010 07:57:43] <fragfutter> no duplicates
[07-Oct-2010 07:58:19] <fragfutter> should give you a rough idea about the oldest event
[07-Oct-2010 07:58:51] <mattish> 
[07-Oct-2010 08:00:06] <fragfutter> and?
[07-Oct-2010 08:01:33] <mattish> 16/10/2009 is earliest
[07-Oct-2010 08:01:41] <fragfutter> ;)))
[07-Oct-2010 08:03:45] <fragfutter> delete from history where unix_timestamp()-lastTime > 60*24*60*60;
[07-Oct-2010 08:04:34] <mattish> safe to just clear older history i gues ?
[07-Oct-2010 08:05:10] <mattish> im guessing the db will shrink in size a bit after 
[07-Oct-2010 08:06:24] <fragfutter> no it won't shrink
[07-Oct-2010 08:06:30] <fragfutter> innodb files never shrink
[07-Oct-2010 08:06:38] <fragfutter> they reuse invalid records
[07-Oct-2010 08:08:02] <mattish> once cleared worth doing a backup and restore to new db on a new hdd then ?
[07-Oct-2010 08:08:12] <mattish> thinking it cant hurt to seperate the rrd's and mysql anyway
[07-Oct-2010 08:08:20] <fragfutter> only if you need the diskspace
[07-Oct-2010 08:08:22] <mattish> as its running on standard 7200rpm sata disk with no raid
[07-Oct-2010 08:08:32] <fragfutter> there is no speedup if you shrink the innodb data file
[07-Oct-2010 08:08:42] <mattish> ok ta 
[07-Oct-2010 08:08:59] <mattish> you have been a great help, thankyou very much
[07-Oct-2010 08:09:04] <fragfutter> np
[07-Oct-2010 08:11:28] <mattish> so do you think if i clear the event history it will speed up the iowait issues ?
[07-Oct-2010 08:14:26] <fragfutter> yes
[07-Oct-2010 08:44:48] <ali3n0> hi folks. would you suggest to deploy zenoss core on a IaaS environment?
[07-Oct-2010 08:47:24] <fragfutter> you need to calculate it yourself. Zenoss eats quite some resources (disk, _ram_, io) could be rather expensive
[07-Oct-2010 08:48:13] <ali3n0> fragfutter, I'm trying to understand if there's a best place for it, maybe just there isn't
[07-Oct-2010 08:48:51] <ali3n0> I mean, I want to deploy it one day (once that I've got enough knowledge) but I want to know in advance where will it be
[07-Oct-2010 08:49:34] <ali3n0> my doubt is if technically speaking there's a reason to avoid a IaaS solution
[07-Oct-2010 09:34:15] <fus10nx> How can I tell why ZenOSS thinks my system is down when infact i can reach it just fine?
[07-Oct-2010 09:34:37] <fus10nx> ahhh /Status/Ping
[07-Oct-2010 09:34:41] <fus10nx> thats really, really strange
[07-Oct-2010 09:44:48] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm
[07-Oct-2010 09:45:04] <Sam-I-Am> so when does zenoss add items to config properties?  particularly those from modeling plugins...
[07-Oct-2010 09:45:18] <Sam-I-Am> trying to mod a plugin and give it more options, but they're not showing up
[07-Oct-2010 09:46:12] <Sam-I-Am> its definitely not dynamic..
[07-Oct-2010 09:57:26] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, quiet here in the mornings
[07-Oct-2010 10:04:59] <wvcain> ack
[07-Oct-2010 10:06:18] <fus10nx> is it OK to install LAMP on the same box as ZenOSS?
[07-Oct-2010 10:07:38] <wvcain> Not the expert but I suspect you may have some port collisions.  ZenOSS does a good job of trying not to step on others.
[07-Oct-2010 10:08:24] <wvcain> Can Zenoss graph from other RRD files (webalizer) and display via the gui
[07-Oct-2010 10:08:37] <Sam-I-Am> wvcain: probably
[07-Oct-2010 10:08:42] <Sam-I-Am> you'd just need a custom graph
[07-Oct-2010 10:08:51] <Sam-I-Am> which means putting in your own rrd commands
[07-Oct-2010 10:10:09] <wvcain> Thanks... all I ask is a direction to work... I will start looking at custom graph.
[07-Oct-2010 10:11:21] <Sam-I-Am> they're fun
[07-Oct-2010 10:11:36] <Sam-I-Am> as long as zenoss has permissions to read those rrd files it should work
[07-Oct-2010 10:17:22] <rmatte> fus10nx: I'd advise against doing a LAMP setup on a Linux server, I mean, Apache, and PHP are fine, it's the MySQL bit that's going to give you headaches
[07-Oct-2010 10:17:31] <rmatte> erm, on a Zenoss server, I meant to say
[07-Oct-2010 10:17:37] <rmatte> 
[07-Oct-2010 10:18:01] <rmatte> Zenoss should have it's own dedicated server in my opinion
[07-Oct-2010 10:18:27] <imeyer> zenoss as a service
[07-Oct-2010 10:18:28] <imeyer> 
[07-Oct-2010 10:32:36] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: do you know how i can get zenoss to load updated zproperties (well, config properties in 3.0) when i change them in a modeling plugin?
[07-Oct-2010 10:32:57] <rmatte> I don't follow
[07-Oct-2010 10:33:02] <Sam-I-Am> hmm...
[07-Oct-2010 10:33:36] <Sam-I-Am> so right now in config properties, the routemap plugin added 3 things to config properties... localonly, indirectonly, and maxroutes
[07-Oct-2010 10:33:43] <Sam-I-Am> mm, redundant typing..
[07-Oct-2010 10:33:44] <rmatte> k
[07-Oct-2010 10:33:59] <rmatte> as I explained yesterday, the routemap plugin did not add those
[07-Oct-2010 10:34:00] <Sam-I-Am> i'm editing the plugin's code and want to add a few more properties
[07-Oct-2010 10:34:02] <rmatte> those are always there
[07-Oct-2010 10:34:07] <Sam-I-Am> oh
[07-Oct-2010 10:34:10] <Sam-I-Am> thats what that was..
[07-Oct-2010 10:34:12] <rmatte> same as every other zProperty
[07-Oct-2010 10:34:32] <rmatte> the only time zProperties get added are when ZenPacks are installed, if they are coded to add zProperties then they will
[07-Oct-2010 10:34:48] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, i wonder what zenpack contained routemap... seems like a core item.
[07-Oct-2010 10:34:57] <rmatte> It is a core item
[07-Oct-2010 10:35:06] <rmatte> Core comes with a whole bunch of plugins and zProperties by default
[07-Oct-2010 10:35:12] <Sam-I-Am> ah
[07-Oct-2010 10:35:13] <rmatte> those zProperties and that plugins are one of them
[07-Oct-2010 10:35:21] <rmatte> plugin*
[07-Oct-2010 10:35:32] <Sam-I-Am> so there's no way to fix this without editing what's installed and reinstalling?
[07-Oct-2010 10:35:49] <Sam-I-Am> or i suppose rolling my own zenpack...
[07-Oct-2010 10:36:06] <rmatte> I don't even understand what you're trying to do
[07-Oct-2010 10:36:15] <Sam-I-Am> hmm...
[07-Oct-2010 10:36:38] <Sam-I-Am> so for each network device i have, i want to suck the routing table out to make dependencies happy... if they even work
[07-Oct-2010 10:37:01] <rmatte> which is what routemap does to begin with
[07-Oct-2010 10:37:13] <rmatte> though I remember you having big bgp routing tables
[07-Oct-2010 10:37:15] <Sam-I-Am> right now, the routemap plugin slurps all routes, even bgp, which makes it die horribly after 350k routes come in
[07-Oct-2010 10:37:18] <Sam-I-Am> yes
[07-Oct-2010 10:37:35] <Sam-I-Am> what i want to do is have it slurp only static, connected, and igp routes
[07-Oct-2010 10:37:41] <rmatte> It's only dying because it's timing out I'd imagine
[07-Oct-2010 10:37:47] <rmatte> you could just increase the timeout
[07-Oct-2010 10:38:03] <Sam-I-Am> i can modify the code to do that, but i would like an option in zproperties to adjust which routes it slurps
[07-Oct-2010 10:39:21] <rmatte> example of adding and removing zProperties via zendmd...
[07-Oct-2010 10:39:26] <rmatte> >>> ch = devices
[07-Oct-2010 10:39:27] <rmatte> >>> ch._setProperty('zTest', 'Test', type='string')
[07-Oct-2010 10:39:28] <rmatte> >>> commit()
[07-Oct-2010 10:39:29] <rmatte> for adding
[07-Oct-2010 10:39:33] <rmatte> >>> ch = devices
[07-Oct-2010 10:39:33] <rmatte> >>> ch._delProperty('zTest')
[07-Oct-2010 10:39:34] <rmatte> >>> commit()
[07-Oct-2010 10:39:36] <rmatte> for removing
[07-Oct-2010 10:39:45] <rmatte> You know what zendmd is?
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[07-Oct-2010 10:45:20] <Sam-I-Am> sorry, phone rang... circuit outage
[07-Oct-2010 10:45:49] <Sam-I-Am> i havent used zendmd
[07-Oct-2010 10:46:02] <rmatte> you just type zendmd as the zenoss user
[07-Oct-2010 10:46:08] <rmatte> it's a python shell with access to zope
[07-Oct-2010 10:46:19] <fragfutter> switch to ip-phones -> circuit outage -> instant silence
[07-Oct-2010 10:52:44] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: cool, that worked.. thanks
[07-Oct-2010 10:58:33] <rmatte> np
[07-Oct-2010 11:07:59] <BKTEC> should zenoss_init_pre be able to run by itself? eg, from bash directly? I'm trying to debug why my zenoss install hangs when the service is started for the first time...
[07-Oct-2010 11:15:36] <rmatte> BKTEC: what service is hanging?
[07-Oct-2010 11:16:03] <rmatte> or should I say, where is the install is it hanging?
[07-Oct-2010 11:16:07] <rmatte> in*
[07-Oct-2010 11:16:25] <BKTEC> rmatte: hangs while populating the db
[07-Oct-2010 11:17:14] <rmatte> BKTEC: that's completely normal, you have to be patient
[07-Oct-2010 11:17:28] <rmatte> it'll take 15+ minutes for that to finish
[07-Oct-2010 11:17:30] <BKTEC> rmatte: I waited several days at one point
[07-Oct-2010 11:17:40] <rmatte> k, several days is obviously over the top
[07-Oct-2010 11:17:48] <rmatte> you're talking about when it hits 99% in progress?
[07-Oct-2010 11:18:00] <rmatte> Is this a clean install or an upgrade?
[07-Oct-2010 11:18:25] <BKTEC> rmatte: clean, tho I have installed it so may times trying to figure out this...
[07-Oct-2010 11:22:50] <BKTEC> rmatte: It happens when it runs the "run_zenbuild start" from the fresh install function
[07-Oct-2010 11:31:05] <rmatte> what distro are you installing it on?
[07-Oct-2010 11:31:54] <BKTEC> rmatte: centos 5.5
[07-Oct-2010 11:32:00] <BKTEC> 5.4
[07-Oct-2010 11:32:30] <rmatte> you're doing stack install?
[07-Oct-2010 11:32:35] <rmatte> or rpm?
[07-Oct-2010 11:32:39] <BKTEC> rpm
[07-Oct-2010 11:32:55] <rmatte> Do you already have MySQL installed on that server?
[07-Oct-2010 11:33:00] <BKTEC> yes
[07-Oct-2010 11:33:04] <rmatte> then that's your problem
[07-Oct-2010 11:33:23] <rmatte> Zenoss comes with it's own MySQL package
[07-Oct-2010 11:33:34] <rmatte> so you're causing a conflict by having MySQL installed ahead of time
[07-Oct-2010 11:33:41] <BKTEC> oh...ok then
[07-Oct-2010 11:34:08] <BKTEC> do it's not a default install of mysql
[07-Oct-2010 11:34:29] <rmatte> Zenoss creates it's own install environment, including it's own python, MySQL, etc...
[07-Oct-2010 11:34:50] <BKTEC> ok...i'll uninstall it all.
[07-Oct-2010 11:34:54] <rmatte> k
[07-Oct-2010 11:35:01] <rmatte> well, don't uninstall python
[07-Oct-2010 11:35:09] <rmatte> system python isn't going to conflict with Zenoss python
[07-Oct-2010 11:35:10] <Simon4> the zenoss rpm install doesn't include mysql, it just pulls it in
[07-Oct-2010 11:35:14] <rmatte> it's just MySQL you need to remove
[07-Oct-2010 11:35:34] <rmatte> Simon4: right, but if he already has MySQL setup with a different username/password
[07-Oct-2010 11:35:44] <rmatte> then he's going to have problems obviously
[07-Oct-2010 11:35:45] <BKTEC> this is fresh VM
[07-Oct-2010 11:35:59] <BKTEC> it's only job is to do zenoss, it had no previous config
[07-Oct-2010 11:36:03] <Simon4> yeah, if the admin password isn't blank you'll hit issues
[07-Oct-2010 11:36:04] <rmatte> I'd say just remove MySQL and let Zenoss pull it down
[07-Oct-2010 11:36:43] <rmatte> also, make sure that iptables isn't intefering with any local communications
[07-Oct-2010 11:36:54] <BKTEC> rmatte: iptables is stopped
[07-Oct-2010 11:37:00] <rmatte> k
[07-Oct-2010 11:37:27] <BKTEC> Simon4: admin password is blank
[07-Oct-2010 11:37:58] <BKTEC> "/opt/zenoss/bin/zenbuild --evtport 3306 -s localhost -u zenoss -p zenoss -d events  " is command it freezes on
[07-Oct-2010 11:38:29] <Simon4> crazy.. def worth trying rmatte's suggestion of removing mysql then trying again to rule that out
[07-Oct-2010 11:39:14] <BKTEC> doing it now.
[07-Oct-2010 11:41:00] <BKTEC> rmatte: is there a reason I would need both i386 and x86_64?
[07-Oct-2010 12:19:44] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: in zendmd, is there a way to show the current device properties?
[07-Oct-2010 12:19:52] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: referring to what you showed me earlier
[07-Oct-2010 12:20:57] <sergeymasushko> hi 2 all. we tried to update zenoss to 3.0.2. Looks like it is started, but seems zencommand daemon does not work... or maybe there is something else... Please take a look at this http://fpaste.org/H6k3/
[07-Oct-2010 12:21:26] <Sam-I-Am> for some reason i dont think the routemap plugin is getting my new variable handed to it
[07-Oct-2010 12:23:10] <mray> sergeymasushko: simplejson is no longer in Python 2.6
[07-Oct-2010 12:23:20] <mray> upgrade the ShowGraphPortlet
[07-Oct-2010 12:24:11] <sergeymasushko> mray: does it affect daemons?
[07-Oct-2010 12:27:30] <mray> yes, since Python 2.6 is running the daemons too
[07-Oct-2010 12:28:12] <sergeymasushko> mray: I see, thank you.
[07-Oct-2010 12:38:15] <Sam-I-Am> mray: you familiar with creating new zproperties via zendmd?
[07-Oct-2010 12:39:12] <sergeymasushko> mray: I've uninstalled this zenpack, restarted zenoss and here is what I see in the zenactions.log (also other logs still not updating):
[07-Oct-2010 12:39:12] <sergeymasushko> 2010-10-07 12:22:45,504 WARNING ZEO.zrpc: (16438) CW: error connecting to ('localhost', 8100): ECONNREFUSED
[07-Oct-2010 12:39:34] <mray> Sam-I-Am: not specifically, I'd grok around in community/documentation/wiki/zendmd
[07-Oct-2010 12:40:09] <Sam-I-Am> mray: thanks.
[07-Oct-2010 12:41:03] <suprsonic> http://pastebin.com/VsLwUQx8
[07-Oct-2010 12:41:16] <suprsonic> when trying to view the graphs on a sql server box
[07-Oct-2010 12:43:00] <sergeymasushko> mray: is there a way to check what is wrong there?
[07-Oct-2010 12:44:29] <mray> sergeymasushko: looking for the fix, it's a security thing
[07-Oct-2010 12:44:34] <mray> you using distributed collectors?
[07-Oct-2010 12:45:00] <sergeymasushko> mray: what do you mean?
[07-Oct-2010 12:45:57] <mray> I believe this is related to the zeo.conf having 'localhost:8100', I think you need 'fqdn:8100' when you use distributed collectors.
[07-Oct-2010 12:47:03] <Simon4> <zeo>
[07-Oct-2010 12:47:03] <Simon4>         address 8100
[07-Oct-2010 12:47:05] <sergeymasushko> mray: dunno we use defaults
[07-Oct-2010 12:47:07] <Simon4> is the correct format
[07-Oct-2010 12:47:13] <Simon4> in $ZENHOME/etc/zeo.conf
[07-Oct-2010 12:51:24] <sergeymasushko> mray: here is what I see in the event.log after restart http://fpaste.org/gibD/
[07-Oct-2010 12:52:05] <mray> sergeymasushko: there aren't any errors there
[07-Oct-2010 12:54:57] <sergeymasushko> mray: in the zenhub log I see uncatalogObject unsuccessfully attempted to uncatalog an object with a uid of /zport/dmd/Devices/Server/Mycompany/devices/Mycompany.com/os/ipservices/udp_00929.
[07-Oct-2010 12:57:32] <BKTEC> Simon4: uninstalled zenoss & mysql; reinstalled zenoss, dep mysql installed; Service started 56 minutes ago and still "loading initial zenoss objects into Zeo database"
[07-Oct-2010 12:57:50] <fragfutter> io load? cpu load?
[07-Oct-2010 12:58:20] <fragfutter> strace on the install process?
[07-Oct-2010 12:58:22] <mray> BKTEC: how slow/old is the machine?
[07-Oct-2010 12:58:44] <BKTEC> 6 months. 2xquad core, 24 gb of memory running zenserver.
[07-Oct-2010 12:58:54] <BKTEC> vm running centos 5.4
[07-Oct-2010 12:58:59] <fragfutter> too old. definitive 
[07-Oct-2010 12:59:24] <mray> hmmm… you need twenty… five gigs of RAM 
[07-Oct-2010 12:59:32] <BKTEC> oh damn
[07-Oct-2010 12:59:34] <Simon4> BKTEC: that's fairly fruity
[07-Oct-2010 12:59:41] <mray> heh, that sounds weird
[07-Oct-2010 12:59:44] <fragfutter> mray: played monkey island two recently?
[07-Oct-2010 13:00:04] <mray> no, not in the last 15 years probably
[07-Oct-2010 13:00:19] <imeyer> they were just released for iphone right?
[07-Oct-2010 13:00:21] <fragfutter> BKTEC: can you check if there is any activity, like a simple top?
[07-Oct-2010 13:00:27] <fragfutter> imeyer: no idea.
[07-Oct-2010 13:00:44] <mray> I barely remember those lucasgams
[07-Oct-2010 13:00:46] <mray> games
[07-Oct-2010 13:00:54] <imeyer> yep, july 7
[07-Oct-2010 13:01:01] * Simon4 has been playing monkey island again since it was £5 on steam the other week
[07-Oct-2010 13:01:34] <fragfutter> Simon4: that's the point  and meeting the men of low morale, getting money but lacking the last coin....
[07-Oct-2010 13:01:50] <BKTEC> fragfutter: ps aux work?
[07-Oct-2010 13:01:56] <fragfutter> yes
[07-Oct-2010 13:03:28] <BKTEC> fragfutter: http://pastebin.com/bYMYPDAa
[07-Oct-2010 13:03:36] <rmatte> lol, I haven't played monkey island since it came out
[07-Oct-2010 13:03:54] <rmatte> back on my old 486
[07-Oct-2010 13:04:22] <BKTEC> rmatte: uninstalling mysql and reinstalled zen didn't work
[07-Oct-2010 13:05:09] <fragfutter> BKTEC: looks idle. try to strace 14352
[07-Oct-2010 13:05:33] <fragfutter> and is there a mysql on localhost:3306 that you can connect?
[07-Oct-2010 13:06:02] <BKTEC> fragfutter: yes, and iptables service is stopped
[07-Oct-2010 13:07:02] <BKTEC> fragfutter: I've never used strace, just installed it on the box.
[07-Oct-2010 13:07:32] <BKTEC> fragfutter: it's doing a bunch of gettimeofday and select calls
[07-Oct-2010 13:08:45] <fragfutter> sounds like waiting for something.
[07-Oct-2010 13:08:48] <BKTEC> fragfutter: http://pastebin.com/AG40daNU   -> timeouts
[07-Oct-2010 13:09:04] <fragfutter> i should consume 100% cpu (or io) during building of the dmd
[07-Oct-2010 13:09:31] <BKTEC> fragfutter: 0% of cpu used
[07-Oct-2010 13:11:06] <fragfutter> BKTEC: no idea
[07-Oct-2010 13:12:23] <BKTEC> fragfutter: thanks for trying
[07-Oct-2010 13:13:19] <BKTEC> it's auto incrementing
[07-Oct-2010 13:13:44] <BKTEC> @mray: any idea?
[07-Oct-2010 13:14:49] <rmatte> BKTEC: try the stack installer instead of the RPM to see if that works
[07-Oct-2010 13:15:19] <BKTEC> rmatte: just the file from the ws?
[07-Oct-2010 13:16:17] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: i added the zproperty via zendmd but i dont think my plugin is seeing it.  made changes to the plugin's code to add it to the list of properties slurped in... at least i copied/modified how the others were done.  do i need to restart anything after zendmd commit, re-add the plugin, etc?
[07-Oct-2010 13:17:06] <BKTEC> rmatte: thanks again
[07-Oct-2010 13:17:45] <mray> BKTEC: not ringing a bell, but I'm asking the L3 dev
[07-Oct-2010 13:17:50] <mray> what was http://pastebin.com/AG40daNU from?
[07-Oct-2010 13:20:13] <mray> I'm running it by the L3 dev
[07-Oct-2010 13:20:25] <mray> RPM install right?
[07-Oct-2010 13:21:50] <mray> BKTEC: Kells suggests hitting Ctrl-C on the install and looking at the trace, it's boned
[07-Oct-2010 13:22:26] <mray> you should be able to re-run zenbuild
[07-Oct-2010 13:24:14] <mray> post the contents of the install.log if you could
[07-Oct-2010 13:26:10] <mray> are you using SELinux?
[07-Oct-2010 13:27:23] <BKTEC> @mray: selinux is disabled. zen has been removed, i'm installing with the stack.
[07-Oct-2010 13:27:32] <BKTEC> (still downloading)
[07-Oct-2010 13:27:33] <mray> oh… ok
[07-Oct-2010 13:27:46] <mray> BTW, the new VMware appliance is available, it's CentOS-based
[07-Oct-2010 13:27:55] <mray> writing up the blog post now
[07-Oct-2010 13:28:03] <BKTEC> we run xenserver....
[07-Oct-2010 13:28:17] <mray> is there not a migration tool?
[07-Oct-2010 13:28:25] * mray really doesn't know much about Xen
[07-Oct-2010 13:28:36] <BKTEC> doesn't work well
[07-Oct-2010 13:28:41] <mray> fair enough
[07-Oct-2010 13:28:52] <BKTEC> does windows boxes ok
[07-Oct-2010 13:29:11] <mray> ok, well I'm off to grab some lunch
[07-Oct-2010 13:29:20] <BKTEC> @mray: thanks again.
[07-Oct-2010 13:36:51] <BKTEC> @mray: same with the stack installer
[07-Oct-2010 13:44:05] <rmatte> BKTEC: you're downloading the correct installer for your architechture?
[07-Oct-2010 13:46:52] <BKTEC> rmatte: yes. x64 centos
[07-Oct-2010 13:47:40] <rmatte> k
[07-Oct-2010 13:48:16] <rmatte> Well, I'm out of ideas, as far as I'm aware Zenoss is actually developed and tested on CentOS
[07-Oct-2010 13:48:24] <rmatte> The new vmware appliance is CentOS based
[07-Oct-2010 13:48:36] <rmatte> so I can't understand how that is tripping up for you
[07-Oct-2010 13:49:38] <rmatte> Are you installing that on a vmware VM?
[07-Oct-2010 13:50:12] <BKTEC> rmatte: no, its zen
[07-Oct-2010 13:50:27] <rmatte> I assume you mean Xen?
[07-Oct-2010 13:50:39] <BKTEC> rmatte: yes
[07-Oct-2010 13:50:42] <rmatte> k
[07-Oct-2010 13:52:07] <rmatte> The RPM you were using was http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/zenoss-3.0.2.el5.x86_64.rpm ?
[07-Oct-2010 13:52:18] <BKTEC> i added the reop
[07-Oct-2010 13:52:20] <BKTEC> repo*
[07-Oct-2010 13:52:24] <rmatte> I see
[07-Oct-2010 13:55:05] <rmatte> where do they even have the repo listed?
[07-Oct-2010 13:55:10] <rmatte> I don't see it on the download page
[07-Oct-2010 13:55:39] <BKTEC> rmatte: http://dev.zenoss.org/yum/stable/
[07-Oct-2010 13:56:27] <rmatte> I have a freshly installed CentOS server sitting on my other desk, I'll boot it up and give it a go
[07-Oct-2010 13:56:38] <BKTEC> rmatte: thanks
[07-Oct-2010 14:01:02] <rmatte> so what's the easiest way for me to add this repo?
[07-Oct-2010 14:01:07] <rmatte> I don't work with CentOS very often
[07-Oct-2010 14:01:26] <BKTEC> rmatte: download the rpm, install it, then yum install zenoss
[07-Oct-2010 14:01:37] <BKTEC> http://dev.zenoss.org/yum/stable/zenoss-repo-1-1.noarch.rpm
[07-Oct-2010 14:01:43] <rmatte> k
[07-Oct-2010 14:02:17] <rmatte> rpm -Uhv http://dev.zenoss.org/yum/stable/zenoss-repo-1-1.noarch.rpm
[07-Oct-2010 14:02:19] <rmatte> works
[07-Oct-2010 14:02:39] <rmatte> running the install now
[07-Oct-2010 14:03:05] <BKTEC> ok
[07-Oct-2010 14:08:27] <rmatte> BKTEC: so is it freezing on "Loading initial Zenoss objects into the Zeo database"?
[07-Oct-2010 14:08:35] <BKTEC> rmatte: yes
[07-Oct-2010 14:08:40] <rmatte> k, I'm at that step now
[07-Oct-2010 14:08:44] <rmatte> I'll let you know how it goes
[07-Oct-2010 14:08:52] <BKTEC> rmatte: roger
[07-Oct-2010 14:10:29] <rmatte> bah, I want to go grab lunch but I have to wait for a client to call me back
[07-Oct-2010 14:10:34] * rmatte taps his foot
[07-Oct-2010 14:10:55] <BKTEC> i know the feeling
[07-Oct-2010 14:11:20] <rmatte> I'm one of the 3 Linux experts in an all Windows shop, so I end up dealing with Linux stuff for the odd client
[07-Oct-2010 14:11:24] <rmatte> it's not a regular thing though
[07-Oct-2010 14:12:06] <rmatte> I'm migrating this particular client's CVS server from Windows to Linux
[07-Oct-2010 14:12:12] <rmatte> once of the less pleasant things I've had to do
[07-Oct-2010 14:12:14] <rmatte> one*
[07-Oct-2010 14:12:24] <BKTEC> I've never had the pleasure
[07-Oct-2010 14:12:28] <rmatte> hehe
[07-Oct-2010 14:12:51] <rmatte> So far I have it migrated, have AD authentication setup on the Linux box, Linux CVS clients can commit, but windows CVS clients can't
[07-Oct-2010 14:12:55] <rmatte> so I need to figure that out
[07-Oct-2010 14:13:26] <rmatte> then I need to migrate a whole bunch of websites and duplicate some integration that they have between the Windows CVS and bugzilla
[07-Oct-2010 14:13:34] <rmatte> lots of fun
[07-Oct-2010 14:13:39] <BKTEC> sounds like it
[07-Oct-2010 14:13:49] <rmatte> luckily today, they are just having a problem with vsftpd on one of their Linux servers
[07-Oct-2010 14:13:52] <rmatte> should be a quick fix
[07-Oct-2010 14:14:09] <BKTEC> i've been p2v a bunch of boxes...and xen doesn't do that well.
[07-Oct-2010 14:14:35] <rmatte> p2v isn't fun
[07-Oct-2010 14:15:33] <BKTEC> my linux skill has turned to crap since I started work at this nearly all windows shop. This experience with xen makes me want to swtich my desktop back to fedora because I feel inept.
[07-Oct-2010 14:15:37] <rmatte> well, python is using 100% CPU, so it's definitely building the objects
[07-Oct-2010 14:15:50] <rmatte> hehe
[07-Oct-2010 14:16:00] <rmatte> I run Ubuntu on my desktop here
[07-Oct-2010 14:16:09] <rmatte> I think I'm the only person in the whole building with a Linux desktop
[07-Oct-2010 14:16:22] <rmatte> With a windows VM running in VirtualBox
[07-Oct-2010 14:16:31] <BKTEC> I'v always been a redhat guy. Run fedora at home, but hardly turn that on anymore.
[07-Oct-2010 14:16:46] <rmatte> I work with Linux all day long though, I have 15 Zenoss servers that I manage
[07-Oct-2010 14:16:50] <BKTEC> I have 7 with linux and xp in virtual box
[07-Oct-2010 14:16:59] <BKTEC> owooo
[07-Oct-2010 14:17:00] <rmatte> along with a bunch of other Linux servers
[07-Oct-2010 14:17:05] <BKTEC> 15? for the same network?
[07-Oct-2010 14:17:12] <rmatte> nah, different clients
[07-Oct-2010 14:17:22] <BKTEC> I was gonna say.
[07-Oct-2010 14:17:23] <rmatte> 3 of the boxes are multi-client boxes, so we monitor several clients on each one
[07-Oct-2010 14:17:28] <rmatte> the rest are 1 client per box
[07-Oct-2010 14:17:38] <rmatte> largest one has over 400 devices monitored
[07-Oct-2010 14:17:44] <rmatte> average is over 100
[07-Oct-2010 14:17:47] <BKTEC> are they hosted on the client's network or your own?
[07-Oct-2010 14:18:01] <rmatte> The Zenoss servers are hosted in datacenter space that we rent
[07-Oct-2010 14:18:10] <rmatte> and we tunnel in to the client's networks from there
[07-Oct-2010 14:18:37] <rmatte> All of the servers are VMs running on some beefy blades and 2 SANs
[07-Oct-2010 14:19:01] <BKTEC> I had zenoss up and running to some degree monitoring the two edges of our microwave network, so much traffic it shutdown half of the voip phones...
[07-Oct-2010 14:19:21] <BKTEC> that was a few months ago on a debian box.
[07-Oct-2010 14:19:58] <BKTEC> They may make me buy MAPS next year if I cant show this will work.
[07-Oct-2010 14:20:40] <rmatte> We use Ubuntu Server here
[07-Oct-2010 14:20:44] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/SJwN/
[07-Oct-2010 14:20:58] <rmatte> The install worked
[07-Oct-2010 14:21:30] <BKTEC> what version of centos are you running?
[07-Oct-2010 14:21:34] <rmatte> 5.5
[07-Oct-2010 14:21:48] <BKTEC> i'm running 5.4 because xen doesn't like 5.5
[07-Oct-2010 14:21:57] <rmatte> I did a cat /etc/redhat-release at the bottom of that paste
[07-Oct-2010 14:22:00] <rmatte> oh
[07-Oct-2010 14:22:07] <BKTEC> didnt see
[07-Oct-2010 14:22:13] <rmatte> hmmm
[07-Oct-2010 14:22:29] <rmatte> I honestly can't see a slight version difference like that causing something like this
[07-Oct-2010 14:22:43] <rmatte> there's something super wonky going on there
[07-Oct-2010 14:22:48] <rmatte> perhaps something to do with Xen
[07-Oct-2010 14:23:13] <BKTEC> yea....sounds about right
[07-Oct-2010 14:24:41] <BKTEC> I have no idea how to trouble shoot that
[07-Oct-2010 14:25:22] <BKTEC> I'm a liar. I am running 5.5
[07-Oct-2010 14:25:40] <rmatte> I'd say try another fresh install of 5.5. and then try again
[07-Oct-2010 14:28:21] <BKTEC> rmatte: thanks again
[07-Oct-2010 14:28:25] <rmatte> np
[07-Oct-2010 14:34:14] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: got another question about adding a zproperty in zendmd...
[07-Oct-2010 14:34:37] <Parabola|Werk> good afternoon
[07-Oct-2010 14:34:42] Parabola|Werk is now known as Parabola|W
[07-Oct-2010 14:43:05] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: yes?
[07-Oct-2010 14:58:30] <rmatte> weird, I've told Zenoss to send me certain thresholds as Info severity but it's not listening to me
[07-Oct-2010 15:04:22] * JonnyV sale para la ofi porq sino dgalvez_lm se va a poner a llorar en cualquier momento
[07-Oct-2010 15:05:29] <rmatte> unhunh
[07-Oct-2010 15:08:28] * Simon4 gets network weathermap rocking with zenoss rrd files
[07-Oct-2010 15:08:35] <Simon4> much awesomeness
[07-Oct-2010 15:08:42] <sciolist> if I have to change some code in a .py file in a ZenPack, how do I get it to recompile?
[07-Oct-2010 15:09:27] <Simon4> sciolist: you don't need to
[07-Oct-2010 15:09:32] <sciolist> ??
[07-Oct-2010 15:09:41] <Simon4> if you change it, python works it out and recompiles it on the fly
[07-Oct-2010 15:09:57] <Simon4> you may need to restart the daemon that's using it though
[07-Oct-2010 15:10:00] <sciolist> not the observed behavior I'm getting
[07-Oct-2010 15:10:02] <Simon4> s/may/will
[07-Oct-2010 15:10:16] <sciolist> ah, that might be it....
[07-Oct-2010 15:10:20] <sciolist> thx
[07-Oct-2010 15:10:20] <Simon4> sciolist: I'm guessing you're not restarting the thing that's using it
[07-Oct-2010 15:10:23] <Simon4> np
[07-Oct-2010 15:12:12] <Simon4> rmatte: interesting problem today
[07-Oct-2010 15:12:27] <Simon4> we've found that net-snmp will "forget" filesystems from time to time, even static ones
[07-Oct-2010 15:12:40] <Simon4> which causes all sorts of havoc with zenoss and snmpindexes 
[07-Oct-2010 15:13:57] <rmatte> Simon4: I haven't observed that personally
[07-Oct-2010 15:14:24] <Simon4> I hadn't until today... but we had had an ongoing issue with intermittent negative disk space alerts
[07-Oct-2010 15:14:50] <rmatte> yeh, anything like that is almost guaranteed to be an indexing issue
[07-Oct-2010 15:14:52] <Simon4> managed to catch it where a snmpwalk would report all filesystems bar 1
[07-Oct-2010 15:15:00] <rmatte> I see
[07-Oct-2010 15:15:03] <Simon4> and yeah, the indexes were reordered
[07-Oct-2010 15:15:21] <rmatte> my UCDFileSystemMap plugin is working nicely for Solaris servers
[07-Oct-2010 15:15:27] <Simon4> will be interesting to see what more testing tomorrow comes up with
[07-Oct-2010 15:15:35] <rmatte> I'm going to submit it for the ZenPack contest by end of week
[07-Oct-2010 15:15:52] <Simon4> I've moved out of the active monitoring team now, but it doesn't mean I don't get bugged lol
[07-Oct-2010 15:17:02] <rmatte> hehe
[07-Oct-2010 15:17:32] <rmatte> I honestly wish I was just managing Zenoss for 1 single large company, would be easier to get !@#$ done
[07-Oct-2010 15:18:58] <rmatte> We ask a client for access to some servers, they refuse.  We ask them to provide us with a config file on the servers, almost a month later we finally get the config file from them.
[07-Oct-2010 15:19:18] <rmatte> Now I need to get them to actually configure SNMP on the servers to only reveal certain filesystems via the UCD mib
[07-Oct-2010 15:19:23] <rmatte> lord knows how long that's going to take
[07-Oct-2010 15:20:06] <rmatte> Yet they bring it up in every meeting they have with our director
[07-Oct-2010 15:20:14] <rmatte> and the answer is always "Waiting on you..."
[07-Oct-2010 15:20:40] * rmatte shrugs
[07-Oct-2010 15:23:36] <Simon4> heh, ouch
[07-Oct-2010 15:23:46] <rmatte> meh, it's a common thing
[07-Oct-2010 15:24:11] <rmatte> when we ask a client for something it takes decades, when they for something from us they expect it to be done in seconds
[07-Oct-2010 15:24:23] <rmatte> when they ask for something*
[07-Oct-2010 15:24:32] <Simon4> yeah, for sure
[07-Oct-2010 15:24:38] <Simon4> same in a huge corporate
[07-Oct-2010 15:24:41] <Simon4> just that clients = other depts
[07-Oct-2010 15:24:44] <xuru> sounds like our users
[07-Oct-2010 15:24:48] <rmatte> well, not as bad, but yeh, I've experienced that
[07-Oct-2010 15:26:15] <Parabola|W> fus10nx, hey man
[07-Oct-2010 15:26:17] <Parabola|W> i just saw your message lol
[07-Oct-2010 15:26:22] <Parabola|W> did you get the wmi stuff figured out?
[07-Oct-2010 15:34:27] <rmatte> cool, can I see the report?
[07-Oct-2010 15:34:29] <rmatte> oops
[07-Oct-2010 15:36:43] <rmatte> and there are probably some other patches too
[07-Oct-2010 15:36:48] <rmatte> oops again
[07-Oct-2010 15:36:51] <rmatte> keep forgetting to hit tab
[07-Oct-2010 15:42:56] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[07-Oct-2010 16:01:44] <twm1010> rmatte: do you remember who it was using the striped FusionIO cards in their zenoss box?
[07-Oct-2010 16:05:02] <JuStIcIa_> someone works with zenoss/cisco?
[07-Oct-2010 16:08:26] <rmatte> JuStIcIa_: I do
[07-Oct-2010 16:11:08] <JuStIcIa_> man one question
[07-Oct-2010 16:11:08] <JuStIcIa_> in zenoss 3.0.2 the cisco devices like 2800 and switches 3560 dont have the same problem of OID like 2.5
[07-Oct-2010 16:11:08] <JuStIcIa_> ?
[07-Oct-2010 16:11:08] <rmatte> what OID problem did they have?
[07-Oct-2010 16:11:08] <rmatte> I monitor lots of 2800 and 3560s and haven't seen any issues
[07-Oct-2010 16:11:17] <JuStIcIa_> well in the version 2.5 i was have problem with some interfaces
[07-Oct-2010 16:11:40] <JuStIcIa_> and they gitme some incorrects oid
[07-Oct-2010 16:11:44] <rmatte> that's just because those interfaces don't support the specific OIDs that the interface performance template is trying to use
[07-Oct-2010 16:11:54] <rmatte> first off, you need to check the type listed for the interfaces
[07-Oct-2010 16:11:55] <JuStIcIa_> mm...
[07-Oct-2010 16:12:01] <JuStIcIa_> i see
[07-Oct-2010 16:12:04] <rmatte> then you need to rename the ethernetCsmacd template to match the type
[07-Oct-2010 16:12:08] <rmatte> (case sensitive)
[07-Oct-2010 16:12:13] <rmatte> and then adjust it accordingly
[07-Oct-2010 16:12:23] <rmatte> I have 20+ interface templates
[07-Oct-2010 16:12:40] <rmatte> and even then, you'll have to make local copies of the templates and remove the specific OIDs for things like sub interfaces
[07-Oct-2010 16:13:04] <JuStIcIa_> well the problem is simple i dont know how works that.
[07-Oct-2010 16:13:14] <JuStIcIa_> the part of templates i never understand that.
[07-Oct-2010 16:14:16] <rmatte> I just explained it
[07-Oct-2010 16:14:35] <rmatte> interface templates get applied automatically if the name of the interface exactly matches the type listed for the interface
[07-Oct-2010 16:14:46] <rmatte> you'll see the type in the details for the interface
[07-Oct-2010 16:15:00] <rmatte> interface templates are stored under /Devices
[07-Oct-2010 16:15:04] <JuStIcIa_> in the cisco device right ?
[07-Oct-2010 16:15:08] <rmatte> no
[07-Oct-2010 16:15:12] <JuStIcIa_> yup i got it
[07-Oct-2010 16:15:14] <rmatte> this is not a Cisco specific thing
[07-Oct-2010 16:15:35] <JuStIcIa_> is from /Devices ?
[07-Oct-2010 16:15:40] <JuStIcIa_> on zenoss right ?
[07-Oct-2010 16:15:58] <rmatte> I'm saying the ethernetCsmacd template that comes with Zenoss is under /Devices
[07-Oct-2010 16:16:09] <rmatte> you need to copy that template and then rename the copy to match the type of each type of interface
[07-Oct-2010 16:16:13] <JuStIcIa_> ahhh
[07-Oct-2010 16:16:14] <rmatte> and adjust the datasources
[07-Oct-2010 16:16:39] <rmatte> that way the appropriate template gets applied to each interface
[07-Oct-2010 16:16:49] <JuStIcIa_> one question , i can copy changing the names ?
[07-Oct-2010 16:17:01] <rmatte> Zenoss is not a piece of monitoring software that you just add devices and go, you need to do development work with it to get it configured correctly
[07-Oct-2010 16:17:10] <rmatte> no, you copy first, then change the name after
[07-Oct-2010 16:17:18] <JuStIcIa_> Ok !
[07-Oct-2010 16:17:20] <rmatte> it'll copy it to something like copy_of_whatever
[07-Oct-2010 16:17:24] <rmatte> then you just rename it
[07-Oct-2010 16:17:40] <rmatte> make sure you copy it to the same location "/"
[07-Oct-2010 16:17:48] <JuStIcIa_> Ok
[07-Oct-2010 16:19:23] <JuStIcIa_> one question , if i copy the ethernetCsmacd i change the name tehn i can change the oid for monitoing the interfaces what i want ?
[07-Oct-2010 16:19:33] <JuStIcIa_> then*
[07-Oct-2010 16:19:44] <rmatte> yes
[07-Oct-2010 16:19:59] <JuStIcIa_> mm...
[07-Oct-2010 16:20:14] <rmatte> though I usually just stick with what's there and just remove what's not working
[07-Oct-2010 16:20:28] <rmatte> some interfaces don't support collection of error statistics, such as software interfaces
[07-Oct-2010 16:20:43] <rmatte> error statistics are only useful for physical interfaces
[07-Oct-2010 16:20:59] <rmatte> some don't support collection of packet statistics
[07-Oct-2010 16:21:25] <JuStIcIa_> For example i take one ethernetCsmacd for one 2811 " i really have a lot of problem with that router" and i then i change the name, and the third step i change the oid for the correct oid, Right ?
[07-Oct-2010 16:21:40] <rmatte> well hold up
[07-Oct-2010 16:21:47] <rmatte> do you understand what you'd be changing the name to?
[07-Oct-2010 16:22:04] <JuStIcIa_> Yep
[07-Oct-2010 16:22:11] <rmatte> to what?
[07-Oct-2010 16:22:15] <JuStIcIa_> when i do the copy, then i change the name
[07-Oct-2010 16:22:24] <rmatte> yes, but what are you changing the name to?
[07-Oct-2010 16:22:55] <JuStIcIa_> for exmplae ethernetCsmacd TO ethernetCDSmacd for example
[07-Oct-2010 16:22:59] <JuStIcIa_> :/
[07-Oct-2010 16:23:31] <rmatte> no!
[07-Oct-2010 16:23:41] <rmatte> ok, I'll explain this as plainly as possible
[07-Oct-2010 16:23:50] <rmatte> there are different kinds of interfaces
[07-Oct-2010 16:23:52] <JuStIcIa_> ok
[07-Oct-2010 16:23:54] <rmatte> there are ethernet interfaces
[07-Oct-2010 16:23:57] <rmatte> serial interfaces
[07-Oct-2010 16:24:00] <rmatte> vlans
[07-Oct-2010 16:24:00] <JuStIcIa_> yup
[07-Oct-2010 16:24:01] <rmatte> etc...
[07-Oct-2010 16:24:21] <rmatte> ethernet interfaces should ALWAYS use the ethernetCsmacd template
[07-Oct-2010 16:24:33] <rmatte> no, if you have a serial interface on a cisco device, the type will be "frame-relay"
[07-Oct-2010 16:24:42] <rmatte> if you view the details of the interface in Zenoss
[07-Oct-2010 16:24:57] <rmatte> now, by default it's going to use the ethernetCsmacd template
[07-Oct-2010 16:25:03] <rmatte> but it may not support some of the OIDs
[07-Oct-2010 16:25:11] <JuStIcIa_> OHHH ! !
[07-Oct-2010 16:25:16] <rmatte> so what you would do is take the ethernetCsmacd, copy it, and then rename it to frame-relay
[07-Oct-2010 16:25:28] <rmatte> then Zenoss knows to automatically apply it to any interfaces of type frame-relay
[07-Oct-2010 16:25:30] <rmatte> comprende?
[07-Oct-2010 16:26:03] <rmatte> go view the details of an interface right now
[07-Oct-2010 16:26:08] <rmatte> you'll see type listed as a property
[07-Oct-2010 16:26:13] <rmatte> THAT is what you rename the template to
[07-Oct-2010 16:26:19] <rmatte> you create a different template for each type
[07-Oct-2010 16:27:44] <rmatte> does anyone know the equivalent of dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventList() for the event history?
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[07-Oct-2010 16:32:43] <JuStIcIa_> rmate r u there ?
[07-Oct-2010 16:32:47] <rmatte> yes
[07-Oct-2010 16:32:53] <JuStIcIa_> sorry
[07-Oct-2010 16:32:59] <JuStIcIa_> i have problem with my conection
[07-Oct-2010 16:33:05] <JuStIcIa_> 
[07-Oct-2010 16:33:15] <rmatte> [04:20pm] <rmatte> so what you would do is take the ethernetCsmacd, copy it, and then rename it to frame-relay
[07-Oct-2010 16:33:15] <rmatte> [04:20pm] <rmatte> then Zenoss knows to automatically apply it to any interfaces of type frame-relay
[07-Oct-2010 16:33:15] <rmatte> [04:20pm] <rmatte> comprende?
[07-Oct-2010 16:33:15] <rmatte> [04:21pm] <rmatte> go view the details of an interface right now
[07-Oct-2010 16:33:15] <rmatte> [04:21pm] <rmatte> you'll see type listed as a property
[07-Oct-2010 16:33:16] <rmatte> [04:21pm] <rmatte> THAT is what you rename the template to
[07-Oct-2010 16:33:16] <rmatte> [04:21pm] <rmatte> you create a different template for each type
[07-Oct-2010 16:33:18] <rmatte> If you missed it
[07-Oct-2010 16:33:30] <JuStIcIa_> Yup
[07-Oct-2010 16:33:33] <JuStIcIa_> for example
[07-Oct-2010 16:34:09] <JuStIcIa_> i copy ethernetCsmac i need rename it to gigabyteCsmac
[07-Oct-2010 16:34:47] <JuStIcIa_> and insert the correct oid
[07-Oct-2010 16:34:59] <rmatte> gigabyteCsmac isn't even a real interface type
[07-Oct-2010 16:35:05] <JuStIcIa_> =D
[07-Oct-2010 16:35:08] <rmatte> I keep telling you to go check the details for an interface in Zenoss
[07-Oct-2010 16:35:11] <rmatte> and you're not listening
[07-Oct-2010 16:35:24] <rmatte> go click on an interface in zenoss and view it's details
[07-Oct-2010 16:35:28] <rmatte> you'll see the type listed there
[07-Oct-2010 16:35:36] <rmatte> the type is what you need to rename the template to
[07-Oct-2010 16:36:07] <JuStIcIa_> 
[07-Oct-2010 16:36:20] <JuStIcIa_> finally i understanddd ! ! ! !
[07-Oct-2010 16:36:58] <rmatte> good
[07-Oct-2010 16:37:06] <JuStIcIa_> thx bro
[07-Oct-2010 16:37:08] <rmatte> np
[07-Oct-2010 16:37:12] <JuStIcIa_> 
[07-Oct-2010 16:37:32] <JuStIcIa_> tomorow im tell you how was the experiment 
[07-Oct-2010 16:37:35] <rmatte> k
[07-Oct-2010 16:38:19] <JuStIcIa_> you are monitoring 6500 ?
[07-Oct-2010 16:39:27] <rmatte> I'm monitoring all sorts of Cisco stuff, I have a ton of different clients that I monitor stuff for
[07-Oct-2010 16:39:32] <rmatte> over 1000 devices total
[07-Oct-2010 16:39:44] <JuStIcIa_> uff that is too much.
[07-Oct-2010 16:40:04] <JuStIcIa_> is normally run zenoss on VMware
[07-Oct-2010 16:40:23] <JuStIcIa_> i am running Zenoss under Debian/VMware
[07-Oct-2010 16:40:35] <rmatte> Yeh, I have 15 different Zenoss servers running on Ubuntu Server/VMWare ESXi
[07-Oct-2010 16:41:31] <JuStIcIa_> but for the netflow monitoring you do the integration with plixer/scrutinizer ?
[07-Oct-2010 16:42:08] <rmatte> I don't actually do netflow monitoring
[07-Oct-2010 16:42:31] <JuStIcIa_> i see
[07-Oct-2010 16:44:13] <JuStIcIa_> the multigraph reporting dont affect the RDD tools ?
[07-Oct-2010 16:44:39] <rmatte> what do you mean?
[07-Oct-2010 16:45:50] <JuStIcIa_>  the multigraph reporting is a extra, a mean if i want i do one special multigraph report for all traffic
[07-Oct-2010 16:46:21] <JuStIcIa_> but i want to know if that multigraph affect in any form the RDDtools
[07-Oct-2010 16:46:22] <JuStIcIa_> ?
[07-Oct-2010 16:46:37] <rmatte> It uses rrdtools to generate itself
[07-Oct-2010 16:46:38] <JuStIcIa_> if the multigraph takes much CPU and all that
[07-Oct-2010 16:46:45] <rmatte> it's not like it's going to wreck anything
[07-Oct-2010 16:46:56] <rmatte> oh, no, not much
[07-Oct-2010 16:47:43] <JuStIcIa_> man how many devices of cisco u recommend in only one zenoss server ?
[07-Oct-2010 16:48:20] <rmatte> it depends on how powerful the server is
[07-Oct-2010 16:48:24] <twm1010> depends on the hardware
[07-Oct-2010 16:48:34] <rmatte> and it depends on how many interfaces you're monitoring on each device
[07-Oct-2010 16:48:58] <rmatte> if you have 20 interfaces with 600+ interfaces on each, it's going to work out to about the same as monitoring 200 Cisco routers
[07-Oct-2010 16:49:06] <rmatte> 20 devices, rather
[07-Oct-2010 16:49:41] <JuStIcIa_> for example i have zenoss running on debian with vmware but i have one blade server with 4gb of memory with two cores of 3.2
[07-Oct-2010 16:50:30] <rmatte> you have to understand, it doesn't boil down to a matter of number of devices, it's a matter of number of datapoints
[07-Oct-2010 16:50:38] <JuStIcIa_> im monitoring 53 routers 2800 and 85 3560
[07-Oct-2010 16:50:45] <rmatte> for instance, every interface counts for 3 datapoints (possibly less)
[07-Oct-2010 16:50:49] <JuStIcIa_> i see ! ! !
[07-Oct-2010 16:50:57] <rmatte> so if you have 1 device with 10 interfaces, that's like 60 datapoints
[07-Oct-2010 16:51:09] <rmatte> but if you have a device with 1000 interface, that's 6000 datapoints
[07-Oct-2010 16:51:20] <JuStIcIa_> the point is the datapoints
[07-Oct-2010 16:51:25] <rmatte> yes
[07-Oct-2010 16:51:30] <JuStIcIa_> 
[07-Oct-2010 16:51:31] <rmatte> number of devices means nothing
[07-Oct-2010 16:51:41] <JuStIcIa_> thats the words
[07-Oct-2010 16:51:50] <rmatte> I could have 1 million devices that I'm just doing ping monitoring on, it's not going to compare to a million devices with snmp monitoring
[07-Oct-2010 16:53:35] <JuStIcIa_> 
[07-Oct-2010 16:54:39] <twm1010> I would start getting rid of your bad OID messages by creating interface type templates
[07-Oct-2010 16:54:58] <twm1010> and then edit the REGEX for ignored device types to stop even attempting to monitor interfaces types you don't care about
[07-Oct-2010 16:58:52] <rmatte> yup
[07-Oct-2010 16:59:49] <twm1010> rmatte: you move production to v3 yet?
[07-Oct-2010 17:02:34] <rmatte> nope
[07-Oct-2010 17:02:46] <rmatte> there's a 3.0.3 that's going to be released
[07-Oct-2010 17:02:50] <rmatte> fixes some nasty bugs
[07-Oct-2010 17:03:02] <twm1010> I got a chance to start over (changed jobs), so I started with v3 this time.
[07-Oct-2010 17:03:09] <rmatte> plus even after 3.0.3 comes out, I still won't have time for quite a while to finish testing and then upgrade
[07-Oct-2010 17:03:14] <rmatte> cool
[07-Oct-2010 17:03:38] <rmatte> I'm writing a script right now to dump all syslog events from the Zenoss event history
[07-Oct-2010 17:03:44] * rmatte yawns
[07-Oct-2010 17:03:51] <mray> 3.0.3 is likely at this point, but still not 100%
[07-Oct-2010 17:04:29] <rmatte> it'll be pretty dissapointing if it doesn't happen, there are some nasties
[07-Oct-2010 17:05:33] <rmatte> it generally seems like each release gets left half-finished lol
[07-Oct-2010 17:06:34] <rmatte> each major release I should say
[07-Oct-2010 17:07:35] <rmatte> though 2.5.2 was quite good
[07-Oct-2010 17:25:45] <rmatte> I'm out, later guys
[07-Oct-2010 17:25:51] <mray> later
[07-Oct-2010 17:38:00] <kreign> hi, I"m curious: do the zenoss core services bind to a specific account UID?
[07-Oct-2010 17:38:16] <kreign> trying to install the rpm I get: useradd: UID 1337 is not unique
[07-Oct-2010 17:38:34] <kreign> is there any way to specify a different UID? :|
[07-Oct-2010 17:39:02] <kreign> that's colliding with our directory service
[07-Oct-2010 17:39:26] <xuru> what OS?
[07-Oct-2010 17:39:36] <kreign> xuru, centos 5.5
[07-Oct-2010 17:39:36] <xuru> or distro rather
[07-Oct-2010 17:39:57] <kreign> following the zenoss core installation PDF.
[07-Oct-2010 17:39:57] <xuru> hmm... zenoss user on my ubuntu server is 500
[07-Oct-2010 17:40:18] <kreign> xuru, do you have all 499 system accounts full? :|
[07-Oct-2010 17:40:22] <xuru> are you installing with the stack rpm?
[07-Oct-2010 17:40:39] <xuru> kreign: no, it chooses from around 500 up
[07-Oct-2010 17:40:49] <kreign> xuru, no, the 'standalone, use distro packages' one.
[07-Oct-2010 17:41:04] <kreign> xuru, so it's random and I should run it again and let it pick another?
[07-Oct-2010 17:41:22] <kreign> why isn't it using a system account?  any idea? that breaks things. :|
[07-Oct-2010 17:41:30] <xuru> no, if it's giving you that error, it means they are trying to use that ID for some reason
[07-Oct-2010 17:41:37] <xuru> yeah
[07-Oct-2010 17:41:50] <xuru> is zenoss in the /etc/passwd?
[07-Oct-2010 17:42:12] <kreign> xuru, that's the UID of the user I'm logged in as (and sudo'd)
[07-Oct-2010 17:42:29] <kreign> xuru, no, it is not
[07-Oct-2010 17:42:59] <xuru> are you installing it as root?
[07-Oct-2010 17:43:15] <kreign> xuru, sudo'd as root
[07-Oct-2010 17:43:17] <kreign> sudo -i
[07-Oct-2010 17:43:31] <kreign> let's see if it behaves with su
[07-Oct-2010 17:43:47] <kreign> still bitchy.
[07-Oct-2010 17:43:56] <xuru> or I would try adding a zenoss user manually, and then try and install it
[07-Oct-2010 17:44:06] <xuru> it will probably complain, but it's worth a shot
[07-Oct-2010 17:45:03] <kreign> hmm
[07-Oct-2010 17:45:08] <kreign> what a pain.
[07-Oct-2010 17:45:22] <xuru> yeah, never seen that before
[07-Oct-2010 17:45:35] <kreign> does not make me feel comfortable about the actual quality of this system. :/
[07-Oct-2010 17:45:42] <kreign> oh I've seen it before
[07-Oct-2010 17:45:50] <kreign> it's just usually with proprietary half-assed garbage
[07-Oct-2010 17:45:57] <kreign> written by windows devs
[07-Oct-2010 17:46:03] <xuru> hehe, yeah
[07-Oct-2010 17:46:39] <xuru> well, it went pretty smooth on ubuntu
[07-Oct-2010 17:47:19] <kreign> xuru, that's almost telling. :|
[07-Oct-2010 17:48:02] <kreign> xuru, so is the user a system user or a passworded user?
[07-Oct-2010 17:48:10] <kreign> mind sharing your /etc/passwd entry?
[07-Oct-2010 17:48:13] <xuru> system
[07-Oct-2010 17:48:31] <xuru> zenoss:x:500:500::/usr/local/zenoss:/bin/bash
[07-Oct-2010 17:49:00] <kreign> thanks.
[07-Oct-2010 17:49:12] <xuru> I take that back, it's kind of inbetween I guess
[07-Oct-2010 17:49:24] <xuru> no password, but it's home dir is where zenoss is installed
[07-Oct-2010 17:49:43] <kreign> ... snap, missed that.
[07-Oct-2010 17:49:45] <xuru> some things it's nice to sudo - su to zenoss and do
[07-Oct-2010 17:49:49] * kreign used useradd -r
[07-Oct-2010 17:50:40] <kreign> think that means it's time for a bathroom break
[07-Oct-2010 17:50:51] <xuru> 
[07-Oct-2010 18:04:15] * Orv brings a novice Zenoss user along slowly...
[07-Oct-2010 18:04:31] <Orv> since when did I graduate from novice myself??  :-)
[07-Oct-2010 18:06:37] <davetoo> heh
[07-Oct-2010 18:06:46] <davetoo> when you started teaching
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[08-Oct-2010 01:05:37] <rhettardo_> where do i go to add templates in V3
[08-Oct-2010 01:06:04] <rhettardo_> i've still been using 2.5 in production and want to make the migration but i forgot where the hell to go to add templates in the latest release!
[08-Oct-2010 01:17:56] <Orv> Under the device, in Infrastructure.
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[08-Oct-2010 06:38:19] <high_towe> Hi All- simple question, what documentation do I need to look at to get my alerts to be emailed to me?
[08-Oct-2010 06:44:43] <high_towe> hello? 
[08-Oct-2010 07:15:41] <fragfutter> the admin guide
[08-Oct-2010 08:49:13] <rmatte> does anyone here know how to specify an alternate temp location when zeopacking per chance?
[08-Oct-2010 09:16:11] <fragfutter> anyone familiar with distutils present? i need to install a script with a different name
[08-Oct-2010 09:25:34] <Parabola|W> good morning
[08-Oct-2010 09:26:13] <Parabola|W> anyone ever had zenoss not run the wizard after install?
[08-Oct-2010 09:28:24] <Parabola|W> ugh
[08-Oct-2010 09:28:42] <Parabola|W> i've installed this 4 times now, it never once did the same shit
[08-Oct-2010 09:28:48] <Parabola|W> every install, same binary file, random results
[08-Oct-2010 09:34:42] <Parabola|W> i checked admin/setup/getting started guides
[08-Oct-2010 09:34:57] <Parabola|W> and theres nothing about a new install just not showing you the little wizard
[08-Oct-2010 09:35:07] <Parabola|W> or the exact url for it
[08-Oct-2010 09:37:13] <fragfutter> Parabola|W: you mean you installed zenoss, uninstalled, installed again and it is not showing you the wizard?
[08-Oct-2010 09:37:29] <Parabola|W> no.
[08-Oct-2010 09:37:30] <Parabola|W> new server
[08-Oct-2010 09:37:32] <Parabola|W> new os install
[08-Oct-2010 09:37:34] <Parabola|W> new zenoss
[08-Oct-2010 09:37:35] <fragfutter> ok.
[08-Oct-2010 09:37:36] <Parabola|W> no fking wizard
[08-Oct-2010 09:37:43] <Parabola|W> and theres nothing in the guides about it
[08-Oct-2010 09:37:45] <fragfutter> so new install on new server, no wizard coming up.
[08-Oct-2010 09:37:48] <Parabola|W> or what the default admin passw ould be
[08-Oct-2010 09:37:50] <Parabola|W> yeah
[08-Oct-2010 09:38:20] <Parabola|W> ive had this happen one other time, i cleared out the URL field and re-entered. and i got the wizard
[08-Oct-2010 09:38:31] <Parabola|W> no such luck this time
[08-Oct-2010 09:40:33] <fragfutter> Parabola|W: and what happens if you surf to host:8080/zport/dmd ?
[08-Oct-2010 09:41:00] <Parabola|W> takes me right back to this
[08-Oct-2010 09:41:03] <Parabola|W> zport/acl_users/cookieAuthHelper/login_form?came_from=http%3A//10.0.0.236%3A8080/zport/dmd
[08-Oct-2010 09:41:27] <fragfutter> ok. so you are looking for the admin user in zope?
[08-Oct-2010 09:41:40] <Parabola|W> i'm looking to use the product
[08-Oct-2010 09:41:43] <Parabola|W> i dont have a login right now
[08-Oct-2010 09:41:57] <rmatte> Parabola|W: you're unable to login with admin/zenoss?
[08-Oct-2010 09:42:14] <Parabola|W> didnt know that was the login
[08-Oct-2010 09:42:21] <rmatte> Yes, that's the default
[08-Oct-2010 09:42:29] <Parabola|W> wasnt in the 3 docs i listed above, if it was, it wasnt in a logical spot (in order)
[08-Oct-2010 09:42:35] <Parabola|W> that worked, thanks
[08-Oct-2010 09:42:37] <rmatte> np
[08-Oct-2010 09:42:57] <fragfutter> . o O (and i started to search my docs for the zope password reset procedure)
[08-Oct-2010 09:43:04] <rmatte> hehe
[08-Oct-2010 09:43:05] <Parabola|W> lol
[08-Oct-2010 09:43:14] <Parabola|W> i tried admin/no pass / password as the pass
[08-Oct-2010 09:43:19] <Parabola|W> root w/ same combo
[08-Oct-2010 09:43:30] <Parabola|W> then i gave up in case it has a lockout procedure in place
[08-Oct-2010 09:43:40] <rmatte> fragfutter:
[08-Oct-2010 09:43:41] <rmatte> app.acl_users.userManager.updateUserPassword('admin', 'newPassword')
[08-Oct-2010 09:43:42] <rmatte> commit()
[08-Oct-2010 09:43:46] <rmatte> that's how you do it, in zendmd
[08-Oct-2010 09:43:56] <fragfutter> thanks
[08-Oct-2010 09:43:59] <rmatte> np
[08-Oct-2010 09:44:06] <fragfutter> i looked for my generic zpasswd.py
[08-Oct-2010 09:44:11] <rmatte> 
[08-Oct-2010 09:44:46] <rmatte> one of my zenoss servers was completely out of disk space because some idiot set the disk threshold on our infrastructure monitoring instance to 95%
[08-Oct-2010 09:44:57] <rmatte> I dropped it down to 80 for my zenoss boxes
[08-Oct-2010 09:45:16] <rmatte> I managed to clear out about 550MB of space, now I'm running a zeopack hoping that will be enough space to do it
[08-Oct-2010 09:45:32] <rmatte> if not, I'll have to migrate the mysql data off the server temporarily, zeopack, then bring the data back
[08-Oct-2010 09:45:45] <fragfutter> add a new shard on the san, resize the filesystem...
[08-Oct-2010 09:45:55] <rmatte> nah, not in the mood lol
[08-Oct-2010 09:46:02] <rmatte> that's a last resort
[08-Oct-2010 09:46:14] <rmatte> I have to be at a customer's site too
[08-Oct-2010 09:46:21] <rmatte> so I'm going for quick and dirty at the moment
[08-Oct-2010 09:47:16] <fragfutter> zeopack normaly needs free space in the size of Data.fs
[08-Oct-2010 09:47:33] <rmatte> no, it doesn't, it just needs enough free space to generate the Data.fs.pack file
[08-Oct-2010 09:47:38] <rmatte> which is always smaller than Data.fs
[08-Oct-2010 09:47:44] <rmatte> in this case, it will be quite a bit smaller
[08-Oct-2010 09:48:19] <fragfutter> i used it as a monitoring rule during nagios days. if host is running zope, make sure free diskspace is at least sum(data.fs-files)
[08-Oct-2010 09:48:20] <rmatte> I've packed a 12GB Data.fs file with 3GB of free space
[08-Oct-2010 09:48:48] <rmatte> packing with 550MB is pushing it, but it might work
[08-Oct-2010 09:49:25] <fragfutter> don't you get an old file? memory is muddy with the internals of zodb
[08-Oct-2010 09:49:47] <rmatte> yeh, but the old file can be deleted
[08-Oct-2010 09:50:14] <rmatte> The free space has to be whatever zeopack manages to crunch the Data.fs down to
[08-Oct-2010 09:50:31] <rmatte> In this case the Data.fs is 11GB, so it should be able to crush it down to like 2 to 3 gb
[08-Oct-2010 09:50:42] <rmatte> so in all probability this 550mb won't be enough
[08-Oct-2010 09:50:48] <rmatte> but I'm giving it a shot anyways
[08-Oct-2010 09:51:17] <rmatte> most of the time the Data.fs ends up being around 1GB shoudl
[08-Oct-2010 09:51:19] <rmatte> though*
[08-Oct-2010 09:51:30] <rmatte> It's amazing how much junk zope throws in there
[08-Oct-2010 09:51:46] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[08-Oct-2010 09:54:08] <rmatte> woohoo
[08-Oct-2010 09:54:10] <rmatte> the zeopack finished
[08-Oct-2010 09:54:21] <rmatte> with 353MB to spare even
[08-Oct-2010 09:54:21] <rmatte> lol
[08-Oct-2010 09:54:32] <fragfutter> rmatte: every time you change an object you get a copy...
[08-Oct-2010 09:55:01] <rmatte> zeopacked 11GB down to 195MB
[08-Oct-2010 09:55:10] <fragfutter> long time no pack.
[08-Oct-2010 09:55:55] <rmatte> hehe
[08-Oct-2010 09:56:09] <Parabola|W> what the hell is zeopack
[08-Oct-2010 09:56:12] <rmatte> there we go 12GB free
[08-Oct-2010 09:56:20] <Parabola|W> i mean i can see it frees up space by compressing data
[08-Oct-2010 09:56:23] <Parabola|W> but, is that its only role
[08-Oct-2010 09:56:25] <rmatte> Parabola|W: you run it to shrink your zope database
[08-Oct-2010 09:56:29] <Parabola|W> ah
[08-Oct-2010 09:56:32] <rmatte> the zope database gets useless crap in it
[08-Oct-2010 09:56:39] <rmatte> zeopack cleans it up
[08-Oct-2010 09:56:41] <Parabola|W> i have no idea how big my db is
[08-Oct-2010 09:56:43] <rmatte> and it does it on the fly too
[08-Oct-2010 09:56:43] <fragfutter> Parabola|W: every time you change something in the zodb it creates a new copy.
[08-Oct-2010 09:56:51] <rmatte> Parabola|W just go in to $ZENHOME/var
[08-Oct-2010 09:56:55] <rmatte> and check the size of Data.fs
[08-Oct-2010 09:56:59] <rmatte> just do ls -alh
[08-Oct-2010 09:57:04] <Parabola|W> yes yes 
[08-Oct-2010 09:57:12] <fragfutter> Parabola|W: zeopack removes any instances of old objects older then X days from the zodb
[08-Oct-2010 09:57:18] <rmatte> If it's over 1GB you probably want to zeopack at some point
[08-Oct-2010 09:57:26] <xuru> morning
[08-Oct-2010 09:57:26] <rmatte> I really need to Cron the zeopack process
[08-Oct-2010 09:57:28] <Parabola|W> hmm
[08-Oct-2010 09:57:38] <rmatte> anyways, I need to head to a customer's site
[08-Oct-2010 09:57:40] <rmatte> later all
[08-Oct-2010 09:58:11] <Parabola|W> 244mb
[08-Oct-2010 09:58:23] <xuru> anyone know what this means: "AttributeError titleOrId"  I get that in the Events screen after I did a "Configure" > Clear filters and then hit the Refresh button
[08-Oct-2010 09:58:35] <xuru> and now it's doing it when ever it refresh
[08-Oct-2010 10:00:38] <rmatte> xuru: did you upgrade recently?
[08-Oct-2010 10:00:43] <xuru> nope
[08-Oct-2010 10:00:54] <rmatte> the only fix I've seen for a titleOrId error is: zenmigrate --step=AddTitleOrIdToCatalogs
[08-Oct-2010 10:00:56] <xuru> just started doing this :/
[08-Oct-2010 10:01:04] <rmatte> anyways, I have to go (that's probably not the fix for your particular issue)
[08-Oct-2010 10:01:15] <xuru> yeah, thanks anyway
[08-Oct-2010 10:01:19] <xuru> rmatte: later 
[08-Oct-2010 10:04:05] <xuru> Anyone know how to get rid of this too: Ignoring unresolvable object '<persistent broken ZenPacks.community.mib_utils.ZenPack  ?
[08-Oct-2010 10:04:16] <xuru> I tried to uninstall it, but it wouldn't uninstall
[08-Oct-2010 10:30:50] <ericenns> my one server went down on wednesday but I never received an alert that it was down any ideas?
[08-Oct-2010 10:31:02] <twm1010> you receive alerts for "events"
[08-Oct-2010 10:31:14] <twm1010> go to the server's events, and see if there is a ping down event from yesterday
[08-Oct-2010 10:31:23] <twm1010> it will be red (critical)
[08-Oct-2010 10:31:39] <ericenns> I am using snmp monitoring, There was no event generated for ping down
[08-Oct-2010 10:31:42] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[08-Oct-2010 10:32:19] <twm1010> well, snmp is used to query performance statistics and configuration, server up/down events are generated zenping on a cycle
[08-Oct-2010 10:32:37] <twm1010> by default, zenoss pings all your devices to check if they are up or not
[08-Oct-2010 10:32:45] <ericenns> also zPingMonitorIgnore is set to false
[08-Oct-2010 10:33:04] <twm1010> then it is NOT ignoring it, meaning the server may have continued pinging
[08-Oct-2010 10:34:10] <Parabola|W> zeeenowssss
[08-Oct-2010 10:34:26] <twm1010> you said it man
[08-Oct-2010 10:34:44] <ericenns> yes so that means i should have got an event
[08-Oct-2010 10:35:01] <twm1010> right, in your event history you should see a critical ping down event generated
[08-Oct-2010 10:35:39] <twm1010> quite possible the network stack stayed up enough to answer a ping, what kind of failure was it?
[08-Oct-2010 10:36:48] <Parabola|W> it depends on how you set your event up
[08-Oct-2010 10:38:15] <xuru> my zenoss is unusable now :/
[08-Oct-2010 10:39:11] <twm1010> well, if your fairly defaulted, yes, you should get critical ping down events any time a monitored device , set to "production" state, is down
[08-Oct-2010 10:40:30] <xuru> is there any way to go through all the little bits of customization and save it off so that I can reinstall?
[08-Oct-2010 10:41:55] <Parabola|W> yes
[08-Oct-2010 10:41:59] <Parabola|W> zenbackup
[08-Oct-2010 10:42:25] <xuru> ok, I did a backup through the UI
[08-Oct-2010 10:42:35] <xuru> is there different options I should apply?
[08-Oct-2010 10:42:37] <Parabola|W> dunno
[08-Oct-2010 10:42:43] <Parabola|W> ive only used zenbackup from cli
[08-Oct-2010 10:42:49] <Parabola|W> and it worked fine
[08-Oct-2010 10:45:46] <xuru> --no-eventsdb  the eventsdb is just the current events and event history?  So if I wanted a clean start, I can do this switch?
[08-Oct-2010 10:45:54] <twm1010> yes
[08-Oct-2010 10:46:22] <xuru> ok, thanks
[08-Oct-2010 11:01:59] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[08-Oct-2010 11:08:37] <xuru> where does zenoss put it's backups?
[08-Oct-2010 11:14:02] <twm1010> looks like $ZENHOME/backups to me
[08-Oct-2010 11:14:15] <twm1010> at least, thats where the UI puts them
[08-Oct-2010 11:14:49] <xuru> k, thanks
[08-Oct-2010 11:29:14] <djspiewak> so I'm having a problem with a JMX operation data source in zenoss 2.5.1.  Even though I can query the value successfully in jconsole, I don't ever get anything but nan in zenoss.  The value is a primitive long, and a few other JMX data sources on the same server work fine (though those are attributes, not operations)
[08-Oct-2010 11:42:39] <Orv> What does 'nan' stand for? Just curious...
[08-Oct-2010 11:45:23] <djspiewak> "Not a Number"
[08-Oct-2010 11:48:06] <Orv> thanks.
[08-Oct-2010 11:50:50] <imeyer> anyone have good/bad experience with running zenoss in distributed mode across high latency links? (i.e. us -> europe)
[08-Oct-2010 11:51:13] <twm1010> plenty of people in here do
[08-Oct-2010 11:51:27] <twm1010> hang around for a while, im pretty sure rmatte is
[08-Oct-2010 11:52:06] <imeyer> cool.. looking to pick up some best practices for such scenarios.. monitoring europe from the US has annoyed me for long enough. 
[08-Oct-2010 11:52:29] <twm1010> you may want to setup a remote collector, depending on the number of devices and interfaces you're going to monitor
[08-Oct-2010 11:53:24] <imeyer> yeah, cause i still want to get multi-graphs for all devices regardless of location
[08-Oct-2010 11:55:47] <twm1010> well, i meant to address the latency, you may wish to do your monitoring via a remote device that watches all of europe, but provides it data back to your US zenoss box
[08-Oct-2010 11:56:05] <twm1010> when you access reports, graphs, etc
[08-Oct-2010 11:56:19] <imeyer> i understand
[08-Oct-2010 12:25:53] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[08-Oct-2010 12:48:04] <mattish> good evening, how would i get zenoss to monitor extoutput.1 and alert me if the result is not as i set (eg result is not 'OK') ?
[08-Oct-2010 12:54:29] <xuru> bigegor: howdy
[08-Oct-2010 12:54:45] <bigegor> xuru: hi
[08-Oct-2010 12:54:55] <rmatte> mattish: what is extoutput.1?
[08-Oct-2010 12:55:12] <rmatte> ohhhh, it's an snmp value?
[08-Oct-2010 12:55:42] <mattish> aye i basicly want to check .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.8.1.101.1 and see if the result is OK
[08-Oct-2010 12:55:53] <rmatte> what does the output actually look like when you walk that?
[08-Oct-2010 12:55:58] <rmatte> walk it with the -On option
[08-Oct-2010 12:56:03] <rmatte> so that it doesn't get translated
[08-Oct-2010 12:56:37] <mattish> .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.8.1.101.2 = STRING: OK
[08-Oct-2010 12:56:54] <mattish> sorry im checking .2 there .. but .1 gives same output
[08-Oct-2010 12:57:15] <rmatte> so it literally gives a string of OK
[08-Oct-2010 12:57:27] <mattish> i can make it give me what string i want, as its a custom script the other end
[08-Oct-2010 12:57:34] <mattish> at the mo it gives 'OK' or 'FAIL'
[08-Oct-2010 12:57:38] <rmatte> the only way I can think of via Zenoss would be to write a script that pulls that value
[08-Oct-2010 12:57:50] <rmatte> and then have the script either exit normally if it's OK or exit with an error code if it's not
[08-Oct-2010 12:57:58] <rmatte> read up on command datasources
[08-Oct-2010 12:58:04] <rmatte> the Zenoss Admin guide covers them
[08-Oct-2010 12:58:26] <mattish> ta, just getting confused as to where to start, was alot easier in nagios, but thats so dated now
[08-Oct-2010 12:59:03] <rmatte> Zenoss uses the same concept/format as nagios for command plugins
[08-Oct-2010 12:59:09] <rmatte> trust me, it's not much more difficult
[08-Oct-2010 13:01:10] <rmatte> to have an alert generated via a bash script you'd just do something like...
[08-Oct-2010 13:01:19] <rmatte> echo "This is the error message I want to see in Zenoss"
[08-Oct-2010 13:01:20] <rmatte> exit 2
[08-Oct-2010 13:02:06] <rmatte> so you can just use snmpwalk or snmpget to grab the value, then check it using an if loop, and either exit normally or exit with an error depending on the value
[08-Oct-2010 13:02:16] <rmatte> then just create a template and add the script as a command datasource
[08-Oct-2010 13:02:49] <mattish> 
[08-Oct-2010 13:02:54] <mattish> ta ill have a read and see what i can do
[08-Oct-2010 13:02:57] <rmatte> k
[08-Oct-2010 13:03:03] <mattish> a point in the right direction helps alot  thankyou
[08-Oct-2010 13:03:08] * rmatte nods
[08-Oct-2010 13:03:41] <mattish> home time now, thanks again
[08-Oct-2010 13:04:33] <rmatte> np
[08-Oct-2010 13:07:29] <imeyer> rmatte: do you run multiple zenoss instances over latent links?
[08-Oct-2010 13:08:44] <rmatte> imeyer: define "latent links"
[08-Oct-2010 13:08:55] <imeyer> us -> europe
[08-Oct-2010 13:09:08] <rmatte> the only europe monitoring we do is for 1 client
[08-Oct-2010 13:09:12] <imeyer> not within the same facility
[08-Oct-2010 13:09:20] <rmatte> and we just VPN to their central office in the US then branch out from there
[08-Oct-2010 13:09:28] <rmatte> we don't actually have any tunnels going to europe ourselves
[08-Oct-2010 13:09:47] <rmatte> so in short, no
[08-Oct-2010 13:09:48] <rmatte> lol
[08-Oct-2010 13:09:49] <imeyer> yeah, i'm trying to monitor us and ireland from ec2
[08-Oct-2010 13:10:02] <imeyer> and we monitor ireland from us and it's getting on my nerves 
[08-Oct-2010 13:10:09] <rmatte> why?
[08-Oct-2010 13:10:28] <rmatte> I monitor stuff in ireland, france, uk, etc...
[08-Oct-2010 13:10:32] <imeyer> because there is a difference of 100ms for app performance
[08-Oct-2010 13:10:39] <rmatte> It's a bit slow, but it still works
[08-Oct-2010 13:10:47] <rmatte> I just disable zenmodel from running automatically
[08-Oct-2010 13:10:53] <rmatte> since that causes major performance issues
[08-Oct-2010 13:11:17] <imeyer> yeah, it's when we're measuring response time of our apps that it becomes an issue
[08-Oct-2010 13:11:27] <rmatte> ah
[08-Oct-2010 13:11:45] <rmatte> like http response time?
[08-Oct-2010 13:11:45] <imeyer> so i was going to stand up an instance in ireland to measure just those servers in ireland, and potentially send them back to a master instance
[08-Oct-2010 13:11:48] <imeyer> yeah
[08-Oct-2010 13:12:29] <rmatte> you could do that, or you could rig up some sort of curl script on a linux server over there, and just have Zenoss ssh in and execute it from there, then graph the stats
[08-Oct-2010 13:12:37] <rmatte> would be a bit less complex than setting up a whole new instance
[08-Oct-2010 13:12:42] <imeyer> ah that's true
[08-Oct-2010 13:15:31] <rmatte> I wrote a script to dump all syslog events from Zenoss but it's taking forever lol
[08-Oct-2010 13:16:55] <xuru> rmatte: hey, can I have a look at that script?
[08-Oct-2010 13:18:04] <rmatte> xuru: http://fpaste.org/Lfhk/
[08-Oct-2010 13:18:18] <xuru> rmatte: sweet, thanks
[08-Oct-2010 13:18:22] <rmatte> np
[08-Oct-2010 13:18:35] <rmatte> It's quite slow since it's using the API instead of directly going in to MySQL
[08-Oct-2010 13:18:46] <rmatte> I'll probably write another that just accesses MySQL directly at some point
[08-Oct-2010 13:18:59] <xuru> yeah, I just wanted to do something similar, so it's good reference 
[08-Oct-2010 13:19:04] <rmatte> cool
[08-Oct-2010 13:19:44] <xuru> unfortunatly I think I have to completely blow away zenoss, and start over 
[08-Oct-2010 13:19:57] <rmatte> I hate how python outputs to files though
[08-Oct-2010 13:20:08] <rmatte> it outputs in large chunks, and seems to do nothing for long periods of time
[08-Oct-2010 13:20:11] <rmatte> then you get a flood of data
[08-Oct-2010 13:20:38] <xuru> you can tell it not to buffer
[08-Oct-2010 13:20:43] <rmatte> how?
[08-Oct-2010 13:21:00] * xuru tries to remember now
[08-Oct-2010 13:21:23] <xuru> I know you can do fd.flush() to flush it right away, but I know you can set it to not buffer
[08-Oct-2010 13:23:00] <xuru> ah, that was it
[08-Oct-2010 13:23:13] <xuru> you can use the -u switch to python to make it not do buffering
[08-Oct-2010 13:23:26] <xuru> or set PYTHONUNBUFFERED
[08-Oct-2010 13:23:52] <rmatte> ah
[08-Oct-2010 13:24:11] <xuru> or Wrap sys.stdout in an object that flushes after every write
[08-Oct-2010 13:24:53] <rmatte> yeh, you're looking at the same page that I am 
[08-Oct-2010 13:24:59] <xuru> hehe
[08-Oct-2010 13:25:09] <xuru> I remember having to use the -u though
[08-Oct-2010 13:25:19] <rmatte> apparently I can just specify the buffer size as 0
[08-Oct-2010 13:25:22] <xuru> when I was writing an interactive command line app
[08-Oct-2010 13:25:36] <xuru> kind of looks that way
[08-Oct-2010 13:25:41] <xuru> myFile= open( "a.log", "w", 0 )
[08-Oct-2010 13:25:46] <rmatte> sys.stdout = open("syslog-dump.csv", 'a', 0)
[08-Oct-2010 13:25:48] <rmatte> in my case
[08-Oct-2010 13:26:03] <xuru> yep
[08-Oct-2010 13:26:45] <xuru> gah, I keep getting "AttributeError titleOrId"
[08-Oct-2010 13:26:53] <rmatte> I just restarted the script, we'll see if that works
[08-Oct-2010 13:27:03] <rmatte> when did you start getting that error?
[08-Oct-2010 13:27:11] <rmatte> where are you seeing it?
[08-Oct-2010 13:27:18] <rmatte> and can you paste a full traceback?
[08-Oct-2010 13:27:49] <xuru> 1) this morning
[08-Oct-2010 13:27:57] <xuru> 2) the main event view
[08-Oct-2010 13:28:14] <xuru> 3) nope, I see it in the popup thingy
[08-Oct-2010 13:28:20] <rmatte> hmmm
[08-Oct-2010 13:28:25] <rmatte> check the log files
[08-Oct-2010 13:28:31] <rmatte> see if there's a full message in one of them
[08-Oct-2010 13:28:33] <xuru> If I apply a filter, I don't get it anymore
[08-Oct-2010 13:28:54] <rmatte> It probably has something to do with 1 specific event
[08-Oct-2010 13:29:02] <xuru> yeah, I'm tailing all the log files in another window, and there is nothing
[08-Oct-2010 13:29:10] <rmatte> hmmm
[08-Oct-2010 13:29:19] <rmatte> you didn't upgrade recently did you?
[08-Oct-2010 13:29:56] <rmatte> also, does it only say "AttributeError titleOrId", or does it give anything else?
[08-Oct-2010 13:29:58] <xuru> I think it started after I deleted some events in the event view for a device, then I hit the "view it in the events window" button.
[08-Oct-2010 13:30:20] <xuru> when I hit the clear filters menu item, it started doing that
[08-Oct-2010 13:30:25] <xuru> just that
[08-Oct-2010 13:30:33] <xuru> and no, I installed it as 3.0.2
[08-Oct-2010 13:30:38] <rmatte> k
[08-Oct-2010 13:30:41] <rmatte> hmm
[08-Oct-2010 13:31:10] <xuru> I did a backup, but I *really* don't want to go though all those little tweaks I did
[08-Oct-2010 13:31:20] <xuru> be doing a complete reinstall
[08-Oct-2010 13:31:44] <rmatte> you've tried restarting Zenoss?
[08-Oct-2010 13:31:50] <xuru> yes
[08-Oct-2010 13:31:56] <rmatte> have you tried a reindex in zendmd?
[08-Oct-2010 13:32:04] <xuru> the box as well (unrelated, but yeah)
[08-Oct-2010 13:32:07] <xuru> yep
[08-Oct-2010 13:32:13] <xuru> let me think
[08-Oct-2010 13:32:27] <xuru> The first time I did a reindex it failed iwth a traceback
[08-Oct-2010 13:32:32] <xuru> the second time, it worked
[08-Oct-2010 13:32:48] <xuru> that was yesterday, so I don't have the trace back
[08-Oct-2010 13:32:52] <xuru> hold up
[08-Oct-2010 13:32:55] <rmatte> just that error alone is useless, usually there's something trailing the error explaining what function it's refering to
[08-Oct-2010 13:32:56] <xuru> I just saw a trace back
[08-Oct-2010 13:33:00] <rmatte> strange that you're not able to see it
[08-Oct-2010 13:33:09] <xuru> ok, this is it
[08-Oct-2010 13:33:17] <xuru> KeyError: -1250063180
[08-Oct-2010 13:33:36] <xuru> modeler
[08-Oct-2010 13:33:39] <rmatte> you're seeing that where?
[08-Oct-2010 13:33:45] <xuru> let me paste the whole thing
[08-Oct-2010 13:33:47] <xuru> form the logs
[08-Oct-2010 13:34:19] <rmatte> which log in particular?
[08-Oct-2010 13:34:30] <xuru> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/272774/
[08-Oct-2010 13:34:39] <xuru> /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/log/zenhub.log
[08-Oct-2010 13:34:44] <rmatte> k
[08-Oct-2010 13:34:49] <xuru> /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/log/zenmodeler.log
[08-Oct-2010 13:35:40] <xuru> twisted/spread/banana.py? lol
[08-Oct-2010 13:36:11] <rmatte> yeh, that's the sense of humour of the twisted dev team
[08-Oct-2010 13:36:19] <xuru> heh
[08-Oct-2010 13:36:25] <xuru> I'll try doing a reindex
[08-Oct-2010 13:36:29] <rmatte> now we need to figure out what -1250063180 refers to
[08-Oct-2010 13:36:34] <xuru> it sure looks like an index problem
[08-Oct-2010 13:36:51] <xuru> how do we do that?
[08-Oct-2010 13:37:07] <rmatte> I think I know what it is
[08-Oct-2010 13:37:10] <Parabola|W> ugh
[08-Oct-2010 13:37:11] <rmatte> I think it refers to epoch time
[08-Oct-2010 13:37:18] <rmatte> current epoch time is 1286559405
[08-Oct-2010 13:37:24] <xuru> oh
[08-Oct-2010 13:37:31] <rmatte> it's a pretty perfect fit
[08-Oct-2010 13:37:32] <Parabola|W> hypothetical: if you install a zenpack on a clean zenoss install, and it doesnt error, and doesnt show up, and you restart zenoss and the same thing occurs
[08-Oct-2010 13:37:37] <Parabola|W> what should one do?
[08-Oct-2010 13:37:57] <rmatte> Parabola|W: what zenpack?
[08-Oct-2010 13:38:18] <Parabola|W> wmi data source
[08-Oct-2010 13:38:20] <Parabola|W> from egor
[08-Oct-2010 13:38:33] <rmatte> Parabola|W: fresh 3.0.2 install?
[08-Oct-2010 13:38:35] <Parabola|W> yes
[08-Oct-2010 13:38:39] <xuru> rmatte: should I go ahead and see if a reindex works?
[08-Oct-2010 13:38:45] <rmatte> no idea, I've never seen it fail
[08-Oct-2010 13:38:49] <Parabola|W> same here
[08-Oct-2010 13:38:51] <Parabola|W> thats why i asked 
[08-Oct-2010 13:38:52] <rmatte> try to install a different pack
[08-Oct-2010 13:38:54] <rmatte> see if it works
[08-Oct-2010 13:39:17] <rmatte> xuru: yes, for starters, though the issue may be in your events database, but if that's the case we can probably fix it
[08-Oct-2010 13:39:32] <xuru> ok
[08-Oct-2010 13:39:51] <xuru> if it makes things easier, I really don't care about the events right now
[08-Oct-2010 13:39:58] <xuru> it's not in production yet
[08-Oct-2010 13:40:42] <Parabola|W> rmatte,
[08-Oct-2010 13:40:49] <Parabola|W> tried the linux monitor addon, it did the same thing
[08-Oct-2010 13:41:18] <rmatte> Parabola: check your log files for errors
[08-Oct-2010 13:41:28] <Parabola|W> im not gonna lie, where are the logs
[08-Oct-2010 13:41:31] <rmatte> xuru: yeh, that does make things easier
[08-Oct-2010 13:41:39] <rmatte> xuru: let me know if the reindex doesn't work
[08-Oct-2010 13:41:48] <xuru> ok, thanks
[08-Oct-2010 13:42:25] <Parabola|W> rmatte,  whcih log? i'm in zenhome/logs
[08-Oct-2010 13:42:34] <Parabola|W> they look like logs for each module
[08-Oct-2010 13:42:44] <rmatte> Parabola|W: I don't know, the most likely would be zenhub.log
[08-Oct-2010 13:42:57] <rmatte> and yes, they are logs for each modules
[08-Oct-2010 13:43:03] <rmatte> I'm just saying to generally check them for errors
[08-Oct-2010 13:43:07] <rmatte> the error could be in any of them
[08-Oct-2010 13:43:08] <Parabola|W> k
[08-Oct-2010 13:43:41] <xuru> Parabola|W: you could always do something like  tail -f zen*.log
[08-Oct-2010 13:43:50] <xuru> then try installing the zenpack
[08-Oct-2010 13:44:06] <rmatte> Parabola|W: you can also try: zenpack -v10 install
[08-Oct-2010 13:44:09] <rmatte> to get more verbose output
[08-Oct-2010 13:44:17] <xuru> there you go
[08-Oct-2010 13:45:06] <Parabola|W> good idea
[08-Oct-2010 13:45:10] <Parabola|W> lol, nothing in logs
[08-Oct-2010 13:45:15] <Parabola|W> very cool tho
[08-Oct-2010 13:45:28] <rmatte> hehe
[08-Oct-2010 13:45:36] <Parabola|W> ffs
[08-Oct-2010 13:45:38] <Parabola|W> reinstlal i guess
[08-Oct-2010 13:45:42] <Parabola|W> reinstall*
[08-Oct-2010 13:45:57] <rmatte> well, if it's a fresh install I doubt a reinstall is going to help
[08-Oct-2010 13:46:03] <rmatte> there must be something about the system itself
[08-Oct-2010 13:46:18] <xuru> try it with the -v10...  it has to say something
[08-Oct-2010 13:46:24] <rmatte> yeh
[08-Oct-2010 13:46:31] <Parabola|W> ugh
[08-Oct-2010 13:46:36] <Parabola|W> that means i have to copy the zenpack to the server
[08-Oct-2010 13:46:37] <rmatte> zenpack -v10 --install whatever
[08-Oct-2010 13:46:41] <Parabola|W> you know how worthless that is lol
[08-Oct-2010 13:46:45] <Parabola|W> thats what a webgui is for
[08-Oct-2010 13:46:59] <xuru> lol
[08-Oct-2010 13:47:06] <xuru> rmatte: ConflictError: database conflict error (oid 0x220218, class BTrees.IIBTree.IISet, serial this txn started with 0x03896bde5a1d62ee 2010-10-08 17:34:21.120654, serial currently committed 0x03896be07da60499 2010-10-08 17:36:29.448869)
[08-Oct-2010 13:47:17] <xuru> 
[08-Oct-2010 13:48:04] <rmatte> yeh, that's not that great
[08-Oct-2010 13:48:07] <rmatte> ok, do this...
[08-Oct-2010 13:48:15] <rmatte> as the zenoss user stop zenoss
[08-Oct-2010 13:48:20] <rmatte> "zenoss stop"
[08-Oct-2010 13:48:26] <rmatte> then do:
[08-Oct-2010 13:48:30] <rmatte> "zeoctl start"
[08-Oct-2010 13:48:38] <rmatte> then go in to zendmd and try the reindex again
[08-Oct-2010 13:48:55] <xuru> ok
[08-Oct-2010 13:49:38] <xuru> is zenoss stop suppose to stop the mysql db too?
[08-Oct-2010 13:49:47] <rmatte> no, but that doesn't matter
[08-Oct-2010 13:49:53] <rmatte> you clearly have a zope problem there
[08-Oct-2010 13:49:53] <xuru> k
[08-Oct-2010 13:50:43] <xuru> I think it all started trying to remove that blasted mib_utils zenpack :/
[08-Oct-2010 13:50:49] <xuru> it wouldn't let me
[08-Oct-2010 13:51:01] <rmatte> that's a fair assumption
[08-Oct-2010 13:51:27] <xuru> so I deleted it out of the Zenpack directory and removed it from the pth file
[08-Oct-2010 13:51:41] <xuru> but then zenoss complained
[08-Oct-2010 13:51:56] <xuru> so I tried reinstalling it, and it wouldn't let me do that either
[08-Oct-2010 13:52:48] <xuru> there should be a "force" option for bad behaving zenpacks
[08-Oct-2010 13:54:04] <rmatte> yeh, but that would potentially mess things up even more lol
[08-Oct-2010 13:54:45] <xuru> true
[08-Oct-2010 13:56:09] <rmatte> do you guys actually get Monday off?
[08-Oct-2010 13:56:21] <rmatte> (for Columbus day)
[08-Oct-2010 13:58:34] <imcdona|2> lylix.net
[08-Oct-2010 13:58:48] <imcdona|2> is another VPS provider specialzing in Asterisk
[08-Oct-2010 13:59:59] <imcdona|2> oops...wrong room
[08-Oct-2010 14:00:55] <imeyer> if i don't use zenperfsnmp, i can remove it from starting?
[08-Oct-2010 14:03:54] <xuru> rmatte: it finished reindexing
[08-Oct-2010 14:04:05] <xuru> without a traceback
[08-Oct-2010 14:05:09] <rmatte> good
[08-Oct-2010 14:05:13] <rmatte> now start zenoss back up
[08-Oct-2010 14:05:19] <rmatte> "zenoss start"
[08-Oct-2010 14:05:22] <rmatte> oh wait
[08-Oct-2010 14:05:26] <rmatte> did you commit after the reindex?
[08-Oct-2010 14:05:45] <xuru> not yet
[08-Oct-2010 14:05:51] <rmatte> commit
[08-Oct-2010 14:05:54] <xuru> done
[08-Oct-2010 14:05:58] <rmatte> then start zenoss
[08-Oct-2010 14:08:02] <xuru> sweet! no more error
[08-Oct-2010 14:08:31] <xuru> rmatte: thank you very much
[08-Oct-2010 14:17:44] <rmatte> no problem
[08-Oct-2010 14:19:20] <rmatte> Parabola|W: I never install zenpacks via the UI because you don't get the kind of output you get at commandline
[08-Oct-2010 14:19:30] <rmatte> Parabola|W: much easier to troubleshoot it if it goes sour
[08-Oct-2010 14:19:41] <rmatte> just a tip
[08-Oct-2010 14:20:08] <rmatte> I have an nfs share mounted on all of my Zenoss servers, so I just drop the ZenPack in to that and install it on them from there
[08-Oct-2010 14:20:18] <rmatte> works nicely
[08-Oct-2010 14:20:44] <rmatte> you can always wget zenpacks to your server
[08-Oct-2010 14:20:50] <rmatte> so you don't have to mess around with ftp or whatever
[08-Oct-2010 14:21:13] <rmatte> scp and sftp are other solutions
[08-Oct-2010 14:21:21] <rmatte> you could use winscp
[08-Oct-2010 14:21:25] <rmatte> if you're a windows user
[08-Oct-2010 14:22:16] <rmatte> this syslog dump is going to take until doomsday, I'm definitely going to code something that just goes directly in to MySQL whenever I have time to
[08-Oct-2010 14:25:52] <forsberg> 
[08-Oct-2010 14:26:26] <xuru> just a question, the "test against a device" option in some data sources..  why doesn't it default to the device you're currently looking at?
[08-Oct-2010 14:30:30] <rmatte> xuru: because most templates are assigned to classes rather than directly to devices
[08-Oct-2010 14:30:36] <rmatte> xuru: wouldn't make sense to do that
[08-Oct-2010 14:30:53] <rmatte> usually if you go to a device and click on the template it brings you to the template's location in the class, not on the device itself
[08-Oct-2010 14:30:57] <xuru> if it was a local template would it do that?
[08-Oct-2010 14:31:00] <rmatte> no
[08-Oct-2010 14:31:05] <rmatte> it hasn't been coded to
[08-Oct-2010 14:31:12] <xuru> ah
[08-Oct-2010 14:33:19] <xuru> hmm.. I still get a bunch of these from zenperfsnmp:
[08-Oct-2010 14:33:23] <xuru> WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Failed to collect on 172.22.3.21 (<type 'exceptions.ValueError'>: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'C')
[08-Oct-2010 14:33:37] <xuru> is that just because I haven't setup informant on those machines?
[08-Oct-2010 14:33:53] <xuru> seems to be only the windows servers
[08-Oct-2010 14:34:22] <rmatte> no, you don't need informant
[08-Oct-2010 14:34:51] <rmatte> informant was only suggested for monitoring cpu and memory, but I made packs that do that without informant
[08-Oct-2010 14:35:01] <rmatte> everything else is done fine by default with just plain windows snmp
[08-Oct-2010 14:35:22] <rmatte> that's an odd error to be getting
[08-Oct-2010 14:35:52] <rmatte> It's expecting an integer and getting "C" instead of whatever reason
[08-Oct-2010 14:35:55] <rmatte> I've never seen that before
[08-Oct-2010 14:38:26] <xuru> docs/DOC-4724#Ive_changed_my_graph_definition_and_now_get_a_page_load_error
[08-Oct-2010 14:39:06] <rmatte> holy massive font at the top
[08-Oct-2010 14:39:16] <xuru> haha, yeah
[08-Oct-2010 14:39:53] <rmatte> yeh, that's a common thing, having to add the .0
[08-Oct-2010 14:40:03] <rmatte> oh, I see
[08-Oct-2010 14:40:05] <rmatte> the last item
[08-Oct-2010 14:40:11] <xuru> yeah
[08-Oct-2010 14:40:27] <rmatte> did you play with the values they are talking about?
[08-Oct-2010 14:40:40] <xuru> not sure I know what they are talking about
[08-Oct-2010 14:41:14] <rmatte> RPN is used to do calculations in graphs
[08-Oct-2010 14:41:25] <rmatte> when you're seeing that error, where are you seeing it?
[08-Oct-2010 14:41:30] <rmatte> and what are you doing at the time?
[08-Oct-2010 14:41:47] <xuru> I see it in the /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/log/zenperfsnmp.log
[08-Oct-2010 14:41:54] <xuru> when it runs
[08-Oct-2010 14:41:57] <rmatte> ok
[08-Oct-2010 14:42:04] <rmatte> any particular devices?
[08-Oct-2010 14:42:17] <xuru> yeah, mostly windows servers
[08-Oct-2010 14:42:25] <rmatte> ok, go to one of those devices
[08-Oct-2010 14:42:40] <rmatte> then go to the templates page for it
[08-Oct-2010 14:42:44] <rmatte> tell me what templates are bound
[08-Oct-2010 14:43:11] <xuru> WMIDevice and WMIPerfMSSQL2000
[08-Oct-2010 14:43:40] <rmatte> ok, now you're seeing it when it runs instead of when viewing a graph, so it can't be an RPN problem
[08-Oct-2010 14:43:50] <xuru> might not be the best example, there are others withough the SQL
[08-Oct-2010 14:44:01] <xuru> ok
[08-Oct-2010 14:44:02] <rmatte> when you see bigegor in here, you should ask him about it
[08-Oct-2010 14:44:15] <rmatte> he wrote that pack, he'd have a better idea of what might be causing that
[08-Oct-2010 14:44:25] <rmatte> it could be a bug in his code for all I know
[08-Oct-2010 14:44:33] <bigegor> xuru: you can do it right now
[08-Oct-2010 14:44:34] <rmatte> you're using the absolute latest version of those packs?
[08-Oct-2010 14:44:46] <rmatte> ah, didn't know you were around egor
[08-Oct-2010 14:44:48] <xuru> yep
[08-Oct-2010 14:45:07] <rmatte> egor, he's seeing this in his zenperfsnmp.log...
[08-Oct-2010 14:45:08] <rmatte> WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Failed to collect on 172.22.3.21 (<type 'exceptions.ValueError'>: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'C')
[08-Oct-2010 14:45:34] <rmatte> for windows devices that only have WMI templates bound to them
[08-Oct-2010 14:45:39] <xuru> ok, 172.22.3.144 only has the WMIDevice template
[08-Oct-2010 14:45:43] <rmatte> is he maybe trying to use an snmp plugin with a wmi plugin?
[08-Oct-2010 14:46:04] <xuru> I do see a snmp data source
[08-Oct-2010 14:46:05] <rmatte> xuru: actually, I just had a though, go to the collector plugins section for that device
[08-Oct-2010 14:46:18] <rmatte> what datasource would that be?
[08-Oct-2010 14:46:32] <xuru> sysUpTime  1.3.6.1.2.1.1.3.0
[08-Oct-2010 14:46:45] <rmatte> bigegor: your pack doesn't collect uptime via WMI?
[08-Oct-2010 14:47:01] * rmatte checks
[08-Oct-2010 14:47:01] <bigegor> it does.
[08-Oct-2010 14:47:16] <rmatte> ok, so should that datasource be an snmp datasource?
[08-Oct-2010 14:47:28] <bigegor> no
[08-Oct-2010 14:47:48] <rmatte> xuru: what version of those packs are you running?
[08-Oct-2010 14:47:51] <xuru> strange, maybe i should uninstall it, make sure I have the latest, and reinstall
[08-Oct-2010 14:48:02] <bigegor> stop. We are speekink about WMIDevice template?
[08-Oct-2010 14:48:12] <xuru> yep
[08-Oct-2010 14:48:26] <xuru> I did a git pull this morning
[08-Oct-2010 14:48:29] <rmatte> I wonder if maybe he's using the old old WMI pack
[08-Oct-2010 14:48:38] <xuru> when I installed it, it was only about a week ago
[08-Oct-2010 14:48:46] <rmatte> where did you download it from?
[08-Oct-2010 14:48:50] <bigegor> WMIDevice template used snmp to collect uptime
[08-Oct-2010 14:50:25] <bigegor> WMIDevice template was created for mixed SNMP/WMI environment and it must be used for /Servers/Windows devices as replacement for standard Device Template
[08-Oct-2010 14:50:47] <xuru> sorry, I'm looking real quick
[08-Oct-2010 14:51:28] <bigegor> /CIM/WMI device class has its own WMI only Device template
[08-Oct-2010 14:51:55] <xuru> http://github.com/zenoss/Community-Zenpacks.git
[08-Oct-2010 14:53:30] <xuru> what is the name of the zenpack that has that template?
[08-Oct-2010 14:53:42] <xuru> WMIPerf_Windows?
[08-Oct-2010 14:54:09] <bigegor> yep
[08-Oct-2010 14:54:24] <xuru>      2.3
[08-Oct-2010 14:54:34] <rmatte> can I recommend not grabbing them from git?
[08-Oct-2010 14:54:39] <rmatte> there's a lot of old zenpacks in there
[08-Oct-2010 14:54:45] <rmatte> grab stuff from the ZenPacks page
[08-Oct-2010 14:55:00] <rmatte> read the zenpack page before downloading too, there are often essential instructions
[08-Oct-2010 14:55:05] <xuru> oh, I thought that the git repository was where everyone kept the latest
[08-Oct-2010 14:55:23] <mray> it is
[08-Oct-2010 14:55:32] <mray> that's the right one to grab too
[08-Oct-2010 14:55:42] <mray> that's the "published" versions
[08-Oct-2010 14:55:44] <rmatte> mray: So there aren't any ancient Zenpacks in there?
[08-Oct-2010 14:55:56] <bigegor> my ZenPacks you can fing here: http://github.com/epuzanov/Community-Zenpacks
[08-Oct-2010 14:55:58] <rmatte> even still, like I said, ZenPack pages have essential informat
[08-Oct-2010 14:56:02] <rmatte> information*
[08-Oct-2010 14:56:04] <mray> well, there aren't any .zips and I think I've weeded out the deprecated ones
[08-Oct-2010 14:56:14] <rmatte> so if you're just blindly grabbing from git you'll be missing information
[08-Oct-2010 14:56:16] <mray> yeah, if it's in that Git repo, it's updated on the page too
[08-Oct-2010 14:57:26] <xuru> oh oh, got that KeyError again
[08-Oct-2010 14:58:15] <xuru> yeah, I read the pages
[08-Oct-2010 14:58:32] <xuru> I just wanted the latest 3.0 changes as they come in
[08-Oct-2010 14:58:53] <bigegor> xuru: you can disable SNMP for /CIM/WMI device class
[08-Oct-2010 14:59:11] <mray> I'm reading up on Git rebase, so I can merge Egor's stuff in now
[08-Oct-2010 14:59:29] <xuru> cool
[08-Oct-2010 15:00:04] <xuru> man, I'm just a trouble maker heh 
[08-Oct-2010 15:00:37] <rmatte> bizarre, zenperfsnmp refuses to gather snmp info for one of the devices on my lab box
[08-Oct-2010 15:00:43] <rmatte> even though I can snmpwalk the oids fine
[08-Oct-2010 15:01:01] <rmatte> 2010-10-08 14:59:40,064 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: Fetching SNMP status...
[08-Oct-2010 15:01:01] <rmatte> 2010-10-08 14:59:40,067 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: Initiating incremental device load
[08-Oct-2010 15:01:01] <rmatte> 2010-10-08 14:59:40,067 DEBUG zen.zenperfsnmp: Fetching configs for 0 devices
[08-Oct-2010 15:01:07] <rmatte> it acts like it doesn't even exist
[08-Oct-2010 15:01:10] <rmatte> first time I've seen that
[08-Oct-2010 15:01:25] <xuru> ouch
[08-Oct-2010 15:01:33] <rmatte> doesn't matter since it's on my lab box
[08-Oct-2010 15:01:35] <rmatte> but quite weird
[08-Oct-2010 15:01:55] <rmatte> If it happened in production I'd be quite upset
[08-Oct-2010 15:01:57] <mray> rmatte: doesn't work with hostname nor ip address?
[08-Oct-2010 15:02:04] <rmatte> I'll try the IP, good idea
[08-Oct-2010 15:02:23] <rmatte> doesn't work with IP either
[08-Oct-2010 15:02:28] * xuru sighs
[08-Oct-2010 15:02:30] <rmatte> device is in Production state
[08-Oct-2010 15:02:32] <mray> yay?
[08-Oct-2010 15:02:54] <xuru> I think I'm going to have to just dust off and nuke it from orbit
[08-Oct-2010 15:03:03] <mray> only way to be sure
[08-Oct-2010 15:03:11] <xuru> I got too many wierd things going on
[08-Oct-2010 15:03:20] <xuru> start adding zenpacks in one by one
[08-Oct-2010 15:03:58] <xuru> thanks for all your help guys
[08-Oct-2010 15:04:30] <xuru> got to run to a meeting  bbiab
[08-Oct-2010 15:04:30] <rmatte> there other thing is that this device is being monitored fine from a different Zenoss server
[08-Oct-2010 15:04:35] <rmatte> so it's clearly Zenoss at fault
[08-Oct-2010 15:04:49] <rmatte> guess I'll try removing it and re-adding it
[08-Oct-2010 15:07:14] <rmatte> removing it and re-adding it seems to have fixed it
[08-Oct-2010 15:07:15] <rmatte> weird
[08-Oct-2010 15:09:30] <rmatte> woot home time in an hour and a half, plus it's a long weekend
[08-Oct-2010 15:09:51] <twm1010> off monday?
[08-Oct-2010 15:10:17] <mray> wish I got Monday off
[08-Oct-2010 15:11:48] <rmatte> Would you normally have had it off for Columbus day?
[08-Oct-2010 15:12:02] <rmatte> Or is that just one of those non-important holidays?
[08-Oct-2010 15:12:05] <mray> no, I don't think most businesses get it off
[08-Oct-2010 15:12:09] <rmatte> ah ok
[08-Oct-2010 15:12:15] <rmatte> Monday is thanksgiving here
[08-Oct-2010 15:12:19] <rmatte> so that's why I get it off
[08-Oct-2010 15:12:46] <mray> what a rip-off, Thanksgiving on a Monday?  no 4-day weekend? 
[08-Oct-2010 15:12:51] <rmatte> nope
[08-Oct-2010 15:12:54] <rmatte> lol
[08-Oct-2010 15:13:10] <rmatte> our thanksgiving is always the second monday of october
[08-Oct-2010 15:13:42] <rmatte> 3 day weekend is good enough for me 
[08-Oct-2010 15:14:11] <rmatte> I wish people got the day off work on Halloween
[08-Oct-2010 15:14:12] <rmatte> lol
[08-Oct-2010 15:14:38] <mray> it's a Sunday
[08-Oct-2010 15:16:03] <rmatte> true
[08-Oct-2010 15:16:08] <rmatte> they should get the day after off then
[08-Oct-2010 15:16:09] <rmatte> 
[08-Oct-2010 15:16:21] <rmatte> Party, then recovery
[08-Oct-2010 15:17:28] <twm1010> nice, vm appliance now on CentOS?! sweet
[08-Oct-2010 15:18:00] <twm1010> I've been meaning to keep an appliance setup and snapshotted that way i can do like customer surveys with it
[08-Oct-2010 15:18:02] <rmatte> Now here's a scary pumpkin: http://blog.calindaniel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/deathstar1.jpg
[08-Oct-2010 15:18:07] <rmatte> twm1010: yeh it is, thank god
[08-Oct-2010 15:18:16] <rmatte> should eliminate all the stupid rpath specific problems
[08-Oct-2010 15:18:53] <mray> if you've been using CentOS VMs in production and you try it out, please give us any feedback for making it better
[08-Oct-2010 15:21:34] <twm1010> Yeah, my internal 3.02 server was built on CentOS...
[08-Oct-2010 15:21:48] <mray> the new one is based on CentOS 5.4
[08-Oct-2010 15:21:53] <mray> 32 and 64-bit versions
[08-Oct-2010 16:02:41] <rmatte> well, I'm done for the day, later guys
[08-Oct-2010 16:02:49] <xuru> later rmatte
[08-Oct-2010 16:03:54] <klinstifen> anyone running 3.0.2 on ubuntu 10?
[08-Oct-2010 16:04:02] <xuru> yes
[08-Oct-2010 16:04:07] <klinstifen> any issues?
[08-Oct-2010 16:04:17] <klinstifen> with ubuntu 10 specifically?
[08-Oct-2010 16:04:25] <xuru> not any that I didn't create my self
[08-Oct-2010 16:04:30] <xuru> none with ubuntu
[08-Oct-2010 16:04:32] <klinstifen> lol k
[08-Oct-2010 16:04:36] <xuru> what are you seeing?
[08-Oct-2010 16:04:40] <klinstifen> nothing
[08-Oct-2010 16:04:51] <klinstifen> i am just planning an upgrade
[08-Oct-2010 16:04:56] <xuru> ok, yeah, it's been very smooth
[08-Oct-2010 16:05:02] <klinstifen> ok great thanks
[08-Oct-2010 16:05:05] <xuru> np
[08-Oct-2010 16:11:02] <xuru> gah, where is that wiki page that tells what config files to edit to tune up zenoss?  i.e. zenhub.conf, etc
[08-Oct-2010 16:18:24] <mducharme-laptop> afternoon
[08-Oct-2010 16:18:45] <mducharme-laptop> it's been like a month since i've been here.. a month of hell.. finally able to get back to zenoss
[08-Oct-2010 16:18:45] <mducharme-laptop> heh
[08-Oct-2010 16:21:33] <mray> not much has changed… except for all the java
[08-Oct-2010 16:23:21] <mducharme-laptop> I assume 3.0.2 has now stabilized enough to move to
[08-Oct-2010 16:23:41] <mray> yeah, there are still patches available for it
[08-Oct-2010 16:23:58] <twm1010> is there a list of available patches?
[08-Oct-2010 16:24:02] <mray> docs/DOC-8511
[08-Oct-2010 16:30:54] <xuru> is there a place that describes what all the zproperties are for?
[08-Oct-2010 16:31:05] * xuru hopes it wasn't in the admin guide
[08-Oct-2010 16:31:06] <twm1010> the admin guide has some of them i think
[08-Oct-2010 16:31:26] <mducharme-laptop> xuru unfortunately the documentation for all this stuff is not always in one place and not always complete
[08-Oct-2010 16:31:33] <mray> I don't think they're all listed
[08-Oct-2010 16:31:39] <xuru> ok
[08-Oct-2010 16:31:43] <mray> since some come and go with zenpacks
[08-Oct-2010 16:32:03] <xuru> yeah, but the default ones are in the admin guide?
[08-Oct-2010 16:34:26] <mray> yeah, a bunch of them are in there
[08-Oct-2010 16:35:00] <xuru> ah, there we go
[08-Oct-2010 17:06:50] <xuru> mray: where was that web page that had all the optimizing zenoss info?  I dan't seem to find it now
[08-Oct-2010 17:07:44] <mray> docs/DOC-8511
[08-Oct-2010 17:08:06] <xuru> sweet, bookmarked ty
[08-Oct-2010 17:08:17] <mray> feel free to add anything you may find
[08-Oct-2010 17:08:39] <xuru> sure 
[08-Oct-2010 17:10:42] <xuru> heh, the tickets marked for 3.0.3 explains a lot of what I've seen
[08-Oct-2010 17:11:30] <mray> no ETA, but there are some rumblings there _may_ be a 3.0.3 just to fix performance issues
[08-Oct-2010 17:12:31] <xuru> nice
[08-Oct-2010 17:12:37] <mray> the 3.0.3 tickets reflect what will go in
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[08-Oct-2010 17:15:38] <xuru> I love the zenpatch idea
[08-Oct-2010 17:18:31] <mray> especially since upgrades roll-up the patches and leave with you with a "clean" install again
[08-Oct-2010 17:20:05] <xuru> indeed
[08-Oct-2010 17:27:24] <Sam-I-Am> mray: do you know if it'll be fairly seamless to implement rrdcached in 3.x from a 3.0.2 install?
[08-Oct-2010 17:27:34] <Sam-I-Am> with existing rrd files..
[08-Oct-2010 17:29:32] <mray> I don't really know, but that 3.0.X article I linked to had a link to someone doing rrdcache with 3.0.
[08-Oct-2010 17:31:04] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, did you send that to me?
[08-Oct-2010 17:33:46] <mray> docs/DOC-8511
[08-Oct-2010 17:33:58] <mray> that's turning into a popular link today
[08-Oct-2010 17:34:52] <Sam-I-Am> ooo nice
[08-Oct-2010 17:34:57] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, i was OOO all day
[08-Oct-2010 17:35:06] <Sam-I-Am> this shall be useful...
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[08-Oct-2010 18:22:46] <mray> later all
[08-Oct-2010 19:32:30] <xuru> anyone still around?
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[08-Oct-2010 22:49:41] <Orv> Boy, I sure can't get the MySQLMon_ODBC-2.2.egg Zenpack to install.  I install the dependencies, restarted zenoss, and still no joy.
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[09-Oct-2010 13:43:24] <imeyer> i have a distributed collector that says it's trying to profile devices that shouldn't be a part of that collector
[09-Oct-2010 13:43:46] <imeyer> it also includes the correct devices
[09-Oct-2010 15:36:24] <Diddi> hi! I'm not able to enable monitor for an ipservice (: Most ipservices works, but some just don't.. when looking at a device, the monitor status i neither true/false for that ipservice
[09-Oct-2010 15:36:39] <Diddi> not sure what i'm missing
[09-Oct-2010 15:41:31] <Diddi> Ah, I think it's because the ipservice is found when checking netstat or something, but it's not possible to connect to the service...
[09-Oct-2010 16:49:18] <makkalot> hi when change the configuration options of a device, it says on admin guide to remodel the device to ensure the authentication changes are valid what does that meean ?
[09-Oct-2010 16:53:45] <pokui> hi all, could someone point me at the docs that say what rules zenoss follows in automatically replacing the name of a device from the ip to a dns (or host) name?
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[11-Oct-2010 06:31:11] <makkalot> hi i'm following the example from administration guide for users, i created a user with no role assigned
[11-Oct-2010 06:31:41] <makkalot> after that i added a device to user's administrited objects
[11-Oct-2010 06:31:57] <makkalot> when i log in with new user
[11-Oct-2010 06:32:11] <makkalot> i see only the device i'm administering which is what i want
[11-Oct-2010 06:32:24] <makkalot> but when click on device login screen appears again
[11-Oct-2010 06:32:38] <makkalot> any ideas ? am i doing something wrong ?
[11-Oct-2010 06:33:23] <makkalot> using zenoss 3.0.2 from vmware image
[11-Oct-2010 07:26:03] <mf2hd> hmmh, any1 played with wmic + MSCluster namespace with windows 2003 64bit clusters?
[11-Oct-2010 07:26:32] <mf2hd> problems with authentication/permissions i think
[11-Oct-2010 07:29:03] <mf2hd> select * from win32_computersystems works fine, but namespace MSCluster does not. I Have checked DCOM and WMI permsissions and it seems that everything works just fine with win wmic or wbemtest, so it's not account's permissions that are too low...
[11-Oct-2010 08:39:50] <mf2hd> hmph, namespace option was in wrong format, problem solved. ty, chan was helpfull as allways
[11-Oct-2010 09:46:15] <jb> anyone monitoring web site response times and such with zen?
[11-Oct-2010 09:46:24] <tehhobbit> yes
[11-Oct-2010 09:46:44] <jb> what are you using?
[11-Oct-2010 09:48:08] <tehhobbit> the ready made template HTTPMonitor
[11-Oct-2010 09:49:00] <jb> ah ok, i didn't realize it graphed response time
[11-Oct-2010 09:54:04] <st3v3o> morning
[11-Oct-2010 09:59:12] <chachan> morning
[11-Oct-2010 10:02:22] <fus10nx> Morning all
[11-Oct-2010 10:03:10] <fus10nx> Having a really weird issue here - ZenOSS sees that a machine goes down at 6AM roughly every day (6AM daily reboot) - the machine comes back up but ZenOSS keeps sending alerts that it's down until I close all of ZenOSS (or reboot the ZenOSS machine) then the error gets cleared - perhaps this is a bug w/ 3.0.1 ?
[11-Oct-2010 10:08:48] <fus10nx> And is there a way to have SNMP message alerts automatically clear when it reconizes it's back up or is it supposed to do that any how ?
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[11-Oct-2010 11:11:21] <st3v3o> has anyone modeled a carp interface in zenoss
[11-Oct-2010 11:12:13] <st3v3o> we have firewalls that share a VIP but the carp interfaces don't get picked up via SNMP.  So it looks like zenoss is goofing on routing
[11-Oct-2010 11:14:59] <st3v3o> mjv go ahead and do your testing…I need to debug an issue with the zenoss routing
[11-Oct-2010 11:16:49] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[11-Oct-2010 11:17:02] <Sam-I-Am> can you not move templates around in zenoss 3?
[11-Oct-2010 11:17:32] <Sam-I-Am> created one for a specific type of device, then had to redesign the device tree... and i want to move those specific templates to the new location
[11-Oct-2010 11:20:38] <Sam-I-Am> hmm nevermind... just did it in zope
[11-Oct-2010 11:20:49] <Sam-I-Am> although there probably is a 'normal' method somewhere
[11-Oct-2010 11:22:52] <imeyer> how do i change a devices collector after it has been added in 3.0.2?
[11-Oct-2010 11:24:56] <imeyer> ah, found it
[11-Oct-2010 11:31:58] <Parabola|Werk> good morning
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[11-Oct-2010 11:32:19] <Orv> Morning
[11-Oct-2010 11:32:33] <Orv> (assuming you're near UTC -8  ;-)   )
[11-Oct-2010 11:32:48] <Parabola|W> its 11:34am
[11-Oct-2010 11:32:49] <Parabola|W> hehe
[11-Oct-2010 11:32:52] <Parabola|W> EST
[11-Oct-2010 11:32:57] <Orv> OK.  PST here.
[11-Oct-2010 11:32:59] <Parabola|W> so i found this
[11-Oct-2010 11:33:12] <Parabola|W> UGH copy and paste sucks on xchat windows
[11-Oct-2010 11:33:19] <Parabola|W> thread/7019
[11-Oct-2010 11:33:57] <Parabola|W> i see theres a command sequence you can run in zendmd to reset IP addresses
[11-Oct-2010 11:34:07] <Parabola|W> in case anyone was still trying to find a way
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[11-Oct-2010 11:50:57] <fus10nx> In Devices -> Windows Services -> SNMP ---I've turned Enable Monitoring? (zMonitor) to "Set Local Value: No" but i keep getting warning messages on my dashboard that SNMP is down - any idea why this isn't working ?
[11-Oct-2010 11:50:58] <fus10nx> and what's the updating process if I'm on Ubuntu ? I'm on 3.0.1 but I'd like to update to 3.0.2 to see if it fixes these small bugs I'm having issues with
[11-Oct-2010 11:50:59] <Parabola|W> fusion
[11-Oct-2010 11:50:59] <fus10nx> hey Parabola|W
[11-Oct-2010 11:50:59] <Parabola|W> go into the properties of the device, or the class, and set the Ignore SNMP value to True
[11-Oct-2010 11:50:59] <Parabola|W> then remodel
[11-Oct-2010 11:51:01] <fus10nx> ah, i need to remodel after i made the change
[11-Oct-2010 11:51:03] <fus10nx> thats prob why
[11-Oct-2010 11:51:13] <Parabola|W> well the change you made doesnt sound right
[11-Oct-2010 11:51:17] <Parabola|W> wait
[11-Oct-2010 11:51:24] <Parabola|W> are you trying to stop monitoring the windows service, SNMP
[11-Oct-2010 11:51:28] <fus10nx> yea
[11-Oct-2010 11:51:31] <Parabola|W> okay i misread it then
[11-Oct-2010 11:51:43] <Parabola|W> i thought you wanted it to stop trying to query SNMP on the windows boxes
[11-Oct-2010 11:51:44] <fus10nx> so i go into the device, then components, then windows services
[11-Oct-2010 11:51:55] <fus10nx> then SNMP and set the monitor to No
[11-Oct-2010 11:52:08] <Parabola|W> checking
[11-Oct-2010 11:52:13] <Parabola|W> by default it doesnt notify of any services
[11-Oct-2010 11:52:21] <Parabola|W> or at least it didnt for me
[11-Oct-2010 11:52:32] <fus10nx> deff does on /Servers/Windows
[11-Oct-2010 11:52:41] <Parabola|W> hm are you on 2.5?
[11-Oct-2010 11:53:31] <Parabola|W> yeah mine didnt do that
[11-Oct-2010 11:53:31] <fus10nx> 3.0.1
[11-Oct-2010 11:53:37] <fus10nx> http://imagebin.ca/view/i8EqEepU.html
[11-Oct-2010 11:53:40] <fus10nx> thats what i have it set to
[11-Oct-2010 11:54:05] <fus10nx> Default was 'Yes' and 'Critical' so i set to 'No' and 'Critical'
[11-Oct-2010 11:54:12] <fus10nx> errr I mean I set to 'No' and 'Debug'
[11-Oct-2010 11:54:32] <Parabola|W> i honestly have no idea :-\
[11-Oct-2010 11:54:37] <fus10nx> haha its ok
[11-Oct-2010 11:54:39] <fus10nx> ill try to remodel
[11-Oct-2010 11:54:48] <Parabola|W> mines not notifying me of services i didnt manually add
[11-Oct-2010 11:55:00] <Parabola|W> im watching terminal services stuff thats it
[11-Oct-2010 12:16:11] <fus10nx> bah that didnt work Parabola|W
[11-Oct-2010 12:16:35] <Parabola|W> 
[11-Oct-2010 12:19:40] <Parabola|W> anyone here use the fping zenpack
[11-Oct-2010 12:19:44] <Parabola|W> and HAS working graphs?
[11-Oct-2010 12:34:49] <Sam-I-Am> anyone know why custom graphs for interfaces show up under device graphs?
[11-Oct-2010 12:51:13] <Parabola|W> figured it out
[11-Oct-2010 12:51:24] <Parabola|W> the comments are incorrect for the fping zenpack
[11-Oct-2010 12:51:35] <Parabola|W> in ubuntu it installs fping to /usr/bin
[11-Oct-2010 12:51:43] <Parabola|W> the default command is not /usr/bin, its /usr/sbin
[11-Oct-2010 13:02:05] <Parabola|W> hi egor
[11-Oct-2010 13:03:37] <bigegor> hi
[11-Oct-2010 13:14:31] <sergeymasushko> hi to all. can someone help me to find out what is wrong with my zenoss after upgrade to V3?
[11-Oct-2010 13:16:44] <sergeymasushko> I can see that all daemons are started but some of them do not write anything in the logs since october 2 and seems e.g. zencommand daemon is not working 
[11-Oct-2010 13:19:05] <bigegor> sergeymasushko: create empty conf files for that daemons.
[11-Oct-2010 13:20:12] <fus10nx> sergeymasushko: how did you upgrade?
[11-Oct-2010 13:20:35] <sergeymasushko> from source. our OS is FreeBSD
[11-Oct-2010 13:20:36] <fus10nx> Parabola|W: for some reason its still doing the SNMP warning on my 'Device Issues' even after turning it off - seems like a bug perhaps
[11-Oct-2010 13:21:33] <fus10nx> I'm still trying to figure out the best way to upgrade from 3.0.1 to 3.0.2 - debating if fresh install is best
[11-Oct-2010 13:23:57] <bigegor> sergeymasushko: i think Zenoss 3 (daemons based on new collecor framework ) has problem with conf files parsing. If you have something in you conf files, than loggind doesn't work any more.
[11-Oct-2010 13:24:14] <cgibbons> new collector framework doesn't have anything to do with it
[11-Oct-2010 13:24:18] <cgibbons> it's just a bug elsewhere
[11-Oct-2010 13:25:18] <fus10nx> cgibbons: whats the best process for 3.0.1 upgrade to 3.0.2
[11-Oct-2010 13:25:42] <cgibbons> nothing special, just upgrade
[11-Oct-2010 13:25:52] <sergeymasushko> thanks for the info. I'll try to erase the confs and try to restart...
[11-Oct-2010 13:25:53] <fus10nx> so download the newest bin file and just install ?
[11-Oct-2010 13:26:45] <Parabola|W> fus10nx,  sounds like it
[11-Oct-2010 13:26:49] <bigegor> cgibbons: ok,  but only 'new collector framework' based daemons are affected.
[11-Oct-2010 13:26:53] <cgibbons> that defect for the logging issue: http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/7327
[11-Oct-2010 13:27:23] <cgibbons> not true, it happens in the old daemon framework code that every daemon uses
[11-Oct-2010 13:27:35] <cgibbons> but the gory history is in that defect. it'll be fixed in 3.0.3
[11-Oct-2010 13:27:47] <cgibbons> it's zenpatchable now if you want
[11-Oct-2010 13:28:37] <bigegor> cgibbons: sorry, doesn't know this.
[11-Oct-2010 13:31:37] <fus10nx> once I get 3.0.2 bin file I just chmod +x and then ./zenoss-3.0.2.bin, right ?
[11-Oct-2010 13:31:38] <fus10nx> as sudo
[11-Oct-2010 13:31:44] <fus10nx> I keep getting segmentation fault
[11-Oct-2010 13:32:47] <fus10nx> i feel like this cant be the right way to upgrade
[11-Oct-2010 13:32:57] <fus10nx> isnt it going to have conflicting files from 3.0.1 to 3.0.2
[11-Oct-2010 13:32:59] <Parabola|W> it is right
[11-Oct-2010 13:33:01] <fus10nx> maybe left over files or something ?
[11-Oct-2010 13:33:05] <Parabola|W> no it wont calm down
[11-Oct-2010 13:33:10] <Parabola|W> your seg fault is a problem tho
[11-Oct-2010 13:33:22] <fus10nx> ok here we go
[11-Oct-2010 13:33:26] <fus10nx> i didnt chmod as sudo
[11-Oct-2010 13:33:31] <fus10nx> so now its saying select a folder and all that
[11-Oct-2010 13:33:36] <fus10nx> fingers crossed this doesnt break everything
[11-Oct-2010 13:33:40] <Parabola|W> it wont dude
[11-Oct-2010 13:33:47] <Parabola|W> i've upgrade 3 times now using bin files
[11-Oct-2010 13:33:49] <fus10nx> i woulda figured i needed to start the stack installer with like a -u (upgrade) switch or something
[11-Oct-2010 13:33:55] <Parabola|W> it auto detects
[11-Oct-2010 13:33:57] <fus10nx> well i installed the 3.0.1 bin
[11-Oct-2010 13:34:02] <fus10nx> and now im just literally installing the 3.0.2 bin
[11-Oct-2010 13:34:10] <fus10nx> ok well its going
[11-Oct-2010 13:34:11] <Parabola|W> 2.5.2 > 3.0 > 3.0.1 > 3.0.2 for me
[11-Oct-2010 13:34:12] <fus10nx> fingers crossed
[11-Oct-2010 13:35:39] <Parabola|W> hmm
[11-Oct-2010 13:35:46] <Parabola|W> during auto discovery, its not resolving anything
[11-Oct-2010 13:35:56] <Parabola|W> i have 98 devices all by IP :-\
[11-Oct-2010 13:36:04] <fus10nx> Parabola|W: all with just the binf iles?
[11-Oct-2010 13:36:22] <Parabola|W> Yes.
[11-Oct-2010 13:36:25] <fus10nx> cool
[11-Oct-2010 13:36:25] <Parabola|W> please stop asking
[11-Oct-2010 13:36:26] <fus10nx> thx
[11-Oct-2010 13:36:27] <fus10nx> haha
[11-Oct-2010 13:36:30] <fus10nx> paranoid
[11-Oct-2010 13:36:30] <Parabola|W> it works
[11-Oct-2010 13:37:13] <Parabola|W> so i've got a dns server configured on this server
[11-Oct-2010 13:37:16] <fus10nx> I just hope this version fixes some of the bugs I was having
[11-Oct-2010 13:37:19] <Parabola|W> and zenoss is not resolving anything
[11-Oct-2010 13:37:25] <Parabola|W> this is annoying
[11-Oct-2010 13:37:55] <Parabola|W> oh i lied, like 5 resolved
[11-Oct-2010 13:37:58] <fus10nx> hey, whatta ya know, it worked 
[11-Oct-2010 13:38:03] <Parabola|W> duh
[11-Oct-2010 13:38:53] <fus10nx> haha well it did wipe out some of my username /pass stuff
[11-Oct-2010 13:38:54] <fus10nx> but thast OK
[11-Oct-2010 13:39:06] <Parabola|W> hm?
[11-Oct-2010 13:39:09] <Parabola|W> i didnt lose anything
[11-Oct-2010 13:39:48] <fus10nx> yea its weird they are in there and saved but its saying they are incorrect
[11-Oct-2010 13:39:49] <fus10nx> strange
[11-Oct-2010 13:44:04] <sergeymasushko> hm... I erased configs for zenactions, zencatalog, zencommand, zenjobs, zenmodeler, zenping, zenprocess, zenstatus, zentrap. most of logs are updeting now, except: zencatalog and zenjobs 
[11-Oct-2010 13:57:47] <Parabola|W> bigegor,
[11-Oct-2010 13:57:55] <Parabola|W> ZenPackException: A ZenPack egg must contain exactly one zenoss.zenpacks entry p                                                                                        oint.  This egg appears to contain 0 such entry points.
[11-Oct-2010 13:58:11] <Parabola|W> getting this when trying to install your wmi zenpacks, any ideas
[11-Oct-2010 13:58:43] <bigegor> Parabola|W: which one?
[11-Oct-2010 13:58:48] <Parabola|W> wmidata
[11-Oct-2010 14:00:10] <bigegor> Parabola|W: can you post traceback?
[11-Oct-2010 14:05:14] <Parabola|W> bigegor,  how do i get that information
[11-Oct-2010 14:08:12] <Parabola|W> hm
[11-Oct-2010 14:08:19] <Parabola|W> it happens with wmiPerf as well
[11-Oct-2010 14:08:29] <bigegor> Parabola|W: how you installing ZenPack? (command line or UI)
[11-Oct-2010 14:09:38] <Parabola|W> command line
[11-Oct-2010 14:09:46] <Parabola|W> the UI didnt work either, thats why i did it this way
[11-Oct-2010 14:09:53] <Parabola|W> i didnt get any error in UI it just didnt work
[11-Oct-2010 14:17:23] <bigegor> try: zenpack --list
[11-Oct-2010 14:30:13] <sergeymasushko> hm. where I can check that zenoss sends aler emails? I see that zenoss creates events, but I did not receive the alerts...
[11-Oct-2010 14:30:45] <sergeymasushko> alerting rules are enabled
[11-Oct-2010 14:38:05] <Parabola|W> bigegor,  sorry im back
[11-Oct-2010 14:38:07] <Parabola|W> i had to run to a clients
[11-Oct-2010 14:38:14] <Parabola|W> i ran the --list command
[11-Oct-2010 14:38:25] <Parabola|W> and.. after 10 seconds, it came back with nothing
[11-Oct-2010 14:40:39] <Parabola|W> is this zenoss install busted?
[11-Oct-2010 14:40:51] <Parabola|W> its a brand new install on a new server
[11-Oct-2010 14:47:04] <bigegor> hmm. check Zenoss/ZenPack directory
[11-Oct-2010 14:49:25] <Parabola|W> yup they are in the folder
[11-Oct-2010 14:53:09] <bigegor> do 'ls -l'  check owner of Zenpacks directories
[11-Oct-2010 14:54:48] <Parabola|W> zenoss / zenoss
[11-Oct-2010 15:03:30] <bigegor> it's your productive system?
[11-Oct-2010 15:09:29] <Parabola|W> yeah
[11-Oct-2010 15:09:34] <Parabola|W> well no
[11-Oct-2010 15:09:39] <Parabola|W> its supposed to be this clients prod
[11-Oct-2010 15:09:47] <Parabola|W> but, i just set it up the other day and i cant get the packs installed 
[11-Oct-2010 15:16:23] <sergeymasushko> can someone remind me the command to generate sample configuration file for a daemon?
[11-Oct-2010 15:18:31] <bigegor> Parabola|W: reinstall it
[11-Oct-2010 15:25:09] <klinstifen> afternoon all
[11-Oct-2010 15:25:23] <klinstifen> is it possible to backup from a 32 bit os and restore to 64bit?
[11-Oct-2010 15:25:31] <klinstifen> as far as zenbackup is concerned?
[11-Oct-2010 15:43:46] <Parabola|W> my boss just called me.. "can you setup a nagios box tonight and check it out"
[11-Oct-2010 15:43:50] <Parabola|W> lol
[11-Oct-2010 15:48:22] <imeyer> resign
[11-Oct-2010 15:48:26] <imeyer> 
[11-Oct-2010 16:12:07] <Orv> Parabola|W: It's a lot more tedious to set up than Zenoss.
[11-Oct-2010 16:12:55] <Orv> Anyone monitoring print queues on Linux with Zenoss?  Need to know when they get stuck.
[11-Oct-2010 16:14:26] <fus10nx> How the hell can I stop getting these SNMP Agent Down messages every 10 seconds
[11-Oct-2010 16:14:27] <fus10nx> wtf
[11-Oct-2010 16:14:53] <fus10nx>  even in the monitored column it says 'false'
[11-Oct-2010 16:15:51] <Parabola|W> lol
[11-Oct-2010 16:16:05] <Parabola|W> same response as before
[11-Oct-2010 16:16:15] <Parabola|W> change the config for that class
[11-Oct-2010 16:16:21] <Parabola|W> set smtpmonitorIgnore to True
[11-Oct-2010 16:17:26] <fus10nx> where do you change the class configurations again ?
[11-Oct-2010 16:17:39] <fus10nx> Event - Event Classes
[11-Oct-2010 16:17:52] <Parabola|W> no.
[11-Oct-2010 16:17:59] <Parabola|W> devices click on the CLASS
[11-Oct-2010 16:18:03] <Parabola|W> then hit Details in the top of that bar
[11-Oct-2010 16:18:13] <Parabola|W> then click on configuration
[11-Oct-2010 16:18:28] <kreignf> is there any way to reinitialize the setup of zenoss for the first time, as in the documentation?
[11-Oct-2010 16:18:37] <kreignf> apparently something didn't work properly due to OOM
[11-Oct-2010 16:18:52] <kreignf> a couple processes during that first 'service zenoss start' failed
[11-Oct-2010 16:18:54] <fus10nx> zSnmpMonitorIgnore
[11-Oct-2010 16:18:55] <fus10nx> got it
[11-Oct-2010 16:18:58] <Parabola|W> yup
[11-Oct-2010 16:19:01] <kreignf> what might I do to fix this?
[11-Oct-2010 16:19:11] <kreignf> ie wipe out all installation data
[11-Oct-2010 16:19:12] <Parabola|W> kreignf, su zenoss
[11-Oct-2010 16:19:17] <Parabola|W> zenoss restart
[11-Oct-2010 16:19:43] <kreignf> Parabola, just restarting will do the trick?
[11-Oct-2010 16:20:16] <chachan> Parabola|W, I prefer use "su - zenoss", the " - " give you the right enviroment
[11-Oct-2010 16:20:20] <kreignf> Parabola, I recall seeing a bunch of stuff in zenoss's $HOME (or getting written to/sourced from), but ls $HOME as user zenoss doesn't return anything.
[11-Oct-2010 16:23:08] <kreignf> does zenoss have its own self-contained server?
[11-Oct-2010 16:23:16] <kreignf> nothing running on 8080
[11-Oct-2010 16:23:19] <kreignf> no apache/httpd
[11-Oct-2010 16:24:17] <chachan> kreignf, zenoss doesn't use apache, check this: ps -ef | grep zope
[11-Oct-2010 16:24:26] <chachan> do you see some processes?
[11-Oct-2010 16:24:42] <chachan> you could do this too: zenoss status
[11-Oct-2010 16:24:45] <chachan> as zenoss user
[11-Oct-2010 16:25:09] <kreignf> chachan, any reason why it runs on 8080 instead of 80?
[11-Oct-2010 16:25:23] <Parabola|W> incase you have somthing on 80 already is my guess
[11-Oct-2010 16:25:32] <chachan> I guess that too
[11-Oct-2010 16:25:43] <chachan> kreignf, I think you could change it
[11-Oct-2010 16:27:18] <kreignf> hmm
[11-Oct-2010 16:51:01] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[11-Oct-2010 17:12:11] <kreignf> is there any way to reduce the amount of memory overhead that zenoss has?
[11-Oct-2010 17:12:32] <kreignf> seems 1GB+ is a bit steep for a small network (under 1k hosts)
[11-Oct-2010 17:15:07] <sytem> 1k hosts small ?
[11-Oct-2010 17:16:04] <rhett> i have under 100 hosts and i dont consider that small, but i guess thats relative
[11-Oct-2010 17:16:44] <sytem> we have something like 700 and i think its huge for zenoss running in one host
[11-Oct-2010 17:23:41] * Orv watches 250 hosts and couldn't do it with 2 Gigs of RAM :-/
[11-Oct-2010 17:23:49] <Orv> Runs fine with 4 Gigs, though.
[11-Oct-2010 17:25:19] <sytem> we have 16G ram, 8 cores of cpu
[11-Oct-2010 17:27:42] <rhett> im running on 4 cores and 1.5GB in a domU
[11-Oct-2010 17:28:23] <Parabola> awesome
[11-Oct-2010 17:28:28] <Parabola> i get to rename 60 devices 
[11-Oct-2010 17:29:06] <rhett> fun!
[11-Oct-2010 17:29:45] <rhett> in zenoss or on the servers too
[11-Oct-2010 17:30:16] <mray> Parabola: docs/DOC-2532
[11-Oct-2010 17:30:26] <mray> check out "rename_devices.py" and do it with zendmd
[11-Oct-2010 17:33:16] <Parabola> 
[11-Oct-2010 17:33:42] <Sam-I-Am> does anyone know if theres a way to put a specific network interface or bgp/ospf peer in maintenance rather than the entire device?
[11-Oct-2010 17:33:50] <bhansen> is there a zendmd command to change about 80 devices's group? the gui keeps timing out on me
[11-Oct-2010 17:35:26] <kreignf> rhett, actual host count is under 300 due to 'empty' address space.
[11-Oct-2010 17:35:37] <kreignf> Orv, what did you use before you used zenoss?
[11-Oct-2010 17:35:59] <kreignf> just astounds me that it's 'sitting here idle' and consuming so much memory.
[11-Oct-2010 17:36:07] <kreignf> vs. say, cacti with a similar number of hosts.
[11-Oct-2010 17:36:26] <Sam-I-Am> its doing more than cacti
[11-Oct-2010 17:36:34] <imeyer> does cacti do more than graph now?
[11-Oct-2010 17:36:38] <Sam-I-Am> but yeah, in general it is memory hungry
[11-Oct-2010 17:36:44] <imeyer> i thought the only purpose it served was to graph
[11-Oct-2010 17:36:51] <Sam-I-Am> it can trigger alerts of sorts
[11-Oct-2010 17:37:00] <Sam-I-Am> but mainly it just graphs
[11-Oct-2010 17:37:07] <imeyer> oh neat
[11-Oct-2010 17:37:09] <imeyer> i didn't know that
[11-Oct-2010 17:39:36] <Sam-I-Am> i'm trying to use zenoss to replace thing i'm doing in cacti now
[11-Oct-2010 17:39:50] <Sam-I-Am> theres definitely some limitations, specificially with ACLs
[11-Oct-2010 17:40:09] <Sam-I-Am> as in... zenoss doesnt really have a way to limit access on a per-graph basis
[11-Oct-2010 17:40:12] <imeyer> ugh ec2 magic dns really frustrates me
[11-Oct-2010 18:15:10] <kreignf> cacti is pretty useless for anything but graphing.
[11-Oct-2010 18:15:30] <kreignf> I could do without graphing. :|
[11-Oct-2010 18:31:46] <rhett> the plugin architecture makes it not as useless
[11-Oct-2010 18:31:53] <rhett> i use both tools for different things
[11-Oct-2010 18:36:55] <sergeymasushko> Does something changed in the zencommand in zenoss v3? should zencommand daemon create an event if the shell script returns "exit 1"?
[11-Oct-2010 18:38:23] <sergeymasushko> or I should change it to exit 2 now?
[11-Oct-2010 20:12:17] <rhettardo> im still on 2.5.2 and i just created a new deviceClass under /Devices/Server/ and when i try to model any of the hosts in the class i get some long ZenModeler error.  the most common part appears to be "Remote exception: exceptions.AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'index'Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenHub/PBDaemon.py", line 75, in inner return callable(*args, **kw) File "
[11-Oct-2010 20:12:23] <rhettardo> any ideas?
[11-Oct-2010 22:35:20] <sytem> what happens if i drop table history and create it again?
[11-Oct-2010 22:36:53] <sytem> that would leave huge amount of rows to detail-table, but is there some other issues?
[11-Oct-2010 22:37:52] <sytem> we are having frequent broblems with mysql locking, and i think it might be something related to number of rows in history
[11-Oct-2010 22:47:18] <imeyer> how many rows do you have?
[11-Oct-2010 22:48:01] <sytem> in status 5k at the moment, have been 50k sometimes
[11-Oct-2010 22:48:56] <sytem> i think there must be millions of rows in history, select count(1) from history does not work
[11-Oct-2010 22:49:56] <sytem> and thats why i would think dropping the whole history
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[12-Oct-2010 09:09:32] <Parabola|W> good morning
[12-Oct-2010 09:36:34] <rmatte> good morning
[12-Oct-2010 09:37:00] <xuru> morning rmatte
[12-Oct-2010 09:40:35] <fus10nx> morning all
[12-Oct-2010 09:41:16] <fus10nx> On the CPU Aggregate report, how do you know which color coordiniates with which computer? is there any legend or anything to tell ?
[12-Oct-2010 09:41:58] <rmatte> fus10nx: it just assigns the colours automatically
[12-Oct-2010 09:44:00] <fus10nx> so you'd have to go in and look individually then
[12-Oct-2010 09:47:46] <rmatte> Oh I see what you mean
[12-Oct-2010 09:48:11] <rmatte> the aggregate report graphs are not meant so that you can distinguish between items
[12-Oct-2010 09:48:17] <rmatte> It's for trending
[12-Oct-2010 09:48:40] <rmatte> If you made yourself a custom graph report you could achieve the same thing with a legend
[12-Oct-2010 10:08:16] <xuru> Can you disable monitoring of say the IP Services > http  and then enable it on a few devices that you want?
[12-Oct-2010 10:11:01] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[12-Oct-2010 10:16:15] <Parabola|W> oh rmatte  i wanted to say i saw your cisco MIB pack, and i had to laugh at the warning "this pack can take 4 or 5 hours to process"
[12-Oct-2010 10:17:50] <Sam-I-Am> ever see how many mibs cisco has?
[12-Oct-2010 10:18:04] <Sam-I-Am> its insane.  whats more fun is figuring out the ones you actually need.
[12-Oct-2010 10:19:39] <Parabola|W> he included 1148
[12-Oct-2010 10:19:42] <Parabola|W> in his MIB pack
[12-Oct-2010 10:23:26] <imeyer> what's the best place to start debugging distributed collectors not working
[12-Oct-2010 10:24:38] <Parabola|W> hmm
[12-Oct-2010 10:24:49] <Parabola|W> well i can try to help you, i have some experience with egors zenpack that does it
[12-Oct-2010 10:24:55] <imeyer> yeah, that's what i'm using
[12-Oct-2010 10:25:04] <Parabola|W> okay, has it ever worked?
[12-Oct-2010 10:25:08] <Parabola|W> or new seutp
[12-Oct-2010 10:25:11] <imeyer> it's new
[12-Oct-2010 10:25:24] <imeyer> i'm on ec2, so that's another piece of the nightmare
[12-Oct-2010 10:25:36] <Parabola|W> honestly i'm not sure if that would effect this or not
[12-Oct-2010 10:25:44] <rmatte> Parabola|W: 1128 Mibs, though I'm working on an update that will have a few more
[12-Oct-2010 10:25:47] <Parabola|W> but heres the process i went through, you can see if any of it matches up
[12-Oct-2010 10:25:54] <rmatte> there are still some Mibs that refuse to load properly, but oh well
[12-Oct-2010 10:26:34] <rmatte> They refuse to load properly due to formatting errors in the Mibs, and I don't feel like going through and fixing the syntax on them since they have tons of lines worth of problems
[12-Oct-2010 10:26:49] <Parabola|W> imeyer, i setup preshared keys for SSH so zenoss user can login, and forwarded the ports
[12-Oct-2010 10:26:58] <Parabola|W> imeyer, i installed the zenpack on the hub (server1) then restarted zope, then went to advanced > collectors > add remote collector > put in the IP of a fresh Zenoss install
[12-Oct-2010 10:27:11] <imeyer> okay, stop real quick
[12-Oct-2010 10:27:20] <Parabola|W> imeyer,  i then verified the config files got updated with the correct hubhost info, and it worked
[12-Oct-2010 10:27:22] <imeyer> what ports?
[12-Oct-2010 10:27:23] <Parabola|W> sure, whats up
[12-Oct-2010 10:27:36] <Parabola|W> i dont remember, let me look
[12-Oct-2010 10:28:13] <Parabola|W> i may not have the forwarding still setup, because since i set it up, i setup site to site VPN for another reason
[12-Oct-2010 10:28:20] <Parabola|W> so the ports werent needed, so i disabled 
[12-Oct-2010 10:28:22] <Parabola|W> but they still may be in there
[12-Oct-2010 10:29:04] <imeyer> let me tell you what i have open on ec2 and you can see if it sounds right, or if i'm missing something..
[12-Oct-2010 10:29:13] <imeyer> i have verified the configs have the correct monitor and hubhost
[12-Oct-2010 10:29:30] <Sam-I-Am> adding mibs to zenoss is only for traps
[12-Oct-2010 10:29:37] <Parabola|W> alright i have 8090 and 8091 open
[12-Oct-2010 10:29:44] <Sam-I-Am> so if you're planning to graph stuff, you'll still need to call oids directly
[12-Oct-2010 10:30:02] <Parabola|W> i have them open on the remote side
[12-Oct-2010 10:30:11] <imeyer> Parabola|W: okay, cool.. one sec
[12-Oct-2010 10:30:43] <xuru> Can someone point me to information on creating your own snmp datasources -> graphs?  I set one up, but it does't seem to be graphing
[12-Oct-2010 10:31:07] <imeyer> seems i was missing 8090 for some reason
[12-Oct-2010 10:31:39] <rmatte> eugh, finding the OIDs for CPU and Memory of a Cisco WLC 4400 is damn near impossible
[12-Oct-2010 10:32:16] <Parabola|W> i randomly get could not read windows services / could not get WMI instance
[12-Oct-2010 10:32:30] <Parabola|W> its like theres a threshold of polling time thats being exceeded
[12-Oct-2010 10:32:37] <Parabola|W> is there a fix for that
[12-Oct-2010 10:33:11] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: heh
[12-Oct-2010 10:33:22] <Sam-I-Am> i just did the cisco oid dance for 7200s and 2800s recently
[12-Oct-2010 10:33:41] <Sam-I-Am> one thing i like about brocade/foundry... theres one mid.
[12-Oct-2010 10:33:42] <Sam-I-Am> mib
[12-Oct-2010 10:33:59] <imeyer> Parabola|W: did you need to open port 3307 for mysql as well?
[12-Oct-2010 10:34:04] <imeyer> from remote -> master
[12-Oct-2010 10:34:05] <Sam-I-Am> however, they dont come close to cisco on the number of things i can monitor
[12-Oct-2010 10:34:12] <Sam-I-Am> juniper also has a lot of mibs
[12-Oct-2010 10:34:16] <xuru> what do you guys use to find the oids?
[12-Oct-2010 10:34:28] <Sam-I-Am> for cisco?
[12-Oct-2010 10:34:42] <xuru> the only thing I've been able to find is an app called mbrowse
[12-Oct-2010 10:34:56] <Parabola|W> imeyer,  no i didnt
[12-Oct-2010 10:35:19] <Sam-I-Am> i used cisco's site to find compatible mibs... then downloaded them... and with a combination of reading the mib and snmpwalk, figured out whats compatible with my device
[12-Oct-2010 10:35:20] <Parabola|W> imeyer,  the events are sent back to the primary sql instance via zope or somthing
[12-Oct-2010 10:35:39] <imeyer> okay, that's what i thought.. just making sure. 
[12-Oct-2010 10:35:42] <Parabola|W> imeyer,  also im sorry if i dont respond right away, just put my name in the line i'll see it pop up
[12-Oct-2010 10:35:45] <Parabola|W> im working on somthing atm 
[12-Oct-2010 10:35:47] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[12-Oct-2010 10:35:54] <Sam-I-Am> once i determined the 'decoded' names... i had snmpwalk translate them into the oids (-On)
[12-Oct-2010 10:35:56] <imeyer> it's okay 
[12-Oct-2010 10:36:21] <xuru> ah, mbrowser is ok, it's not the best, but you can load a mib with it, and search the descriptions, and snmpwalk and get from the app
[12-Oct-2010 10:36:39] <Sam-I-Am> it'd be really awesome if zenoss just accepted the named oids as long as it had a way to translate them, but it doesnt.
[12-Oct-2010 10:37:37] <twm1010> Sam-I-Am: or at least give you an option to use them
[12-Oct-2010 10:38:33] <cgibbons> that would be a great patch for someone to submit
[12-Oct-2010 10:39:38] <xuru> http://beginlinux.com/server_training/nagios/server_training/157-nagios/1360-browsing-snmp
[12-Oct-2010 10:43:33] <xuru> ok, i have a question that's been bothering me for a while...   If I have a device, say a win2008 IIS machine, and I want to monitor it using WMI
[12-Oct-2010 10:43:48] <xuru> I would put in in the /CIM/WMI device class
[12-Oct-2010 10:44:02] <twm1010> yes, correct
[12-Oct-2010 10:44:04] <twm1010> your question?
[12-Oct-2010 10:44:19] <xuru> but then I want to use http monitoring, but it wants it in the /Devices/Websites class
[12-Oct-2010 10:44:32] <xuru> am I just SOL?
[12-Oct-2010 10:44:45] <twm1010> no, the classes are just a group of zproperties right?
[12-Oct-2010 10:44:45] <xuru> or have to override the template
[12-Oct-2010 10:44:50] <twm1010> you could blow'em all away if you wanted
[12-Oct-2010 10:45:06] <twm1010> so... create an http monitoring template right on the device
[12-Oct-2010 10:45:08] <cgibbons> zProperties and bound templates
[12-Oct-2010 10:45:30] <fus10nx> I keep getting 'message       Message text from Windows not available. See source system's event log.' in the events - if I look at the windows event log I can see what the actual message is - is there anyway to fix this easily? I saw this post message/42618 but there's no OID for this message only a message ID of 4069
[12-Oct-2010 10:45:35] <xuru> but if I wanted to use a zenpack template...
[12-Oct-2010 10:45:44] <fus10nx> rather, ntevid       4096
[12-Oct-2010 10:45:52] <twm1010> fus10nx: just google the eventID
[12-Oct-2010 10:45:59] <twm1010> or go look at the windows server's actual event log
[12-Oct-2010 10:46:01] <fus10nx> yea but i want it in there
[12-Oct-2010 10:46:11] <twm1010> oh
[12-Oct-2010 10:46:21] <fus10nx> its our custom piece of written software
[12-Oct-2010 10:46:42] <fus10nx> so is there a way to map an nteveid to a common name or something or common message that i can enter?
[12-Oct-2010 10:47:07] <fus10nx> so -- if "oscIDkb.exe" sends a 4096 event ID then the message is 'blah blah blah'
[12-Oct-2010 10:47:24] <Parabola|W> imeyer,
[12-Oct-2010 10:47:28] <Parabola|W> did that fix your issue?
[12-Oct-2010 10:48:27] <imeyer> Parabola|W: i'm checking still.. not seeing the data getting back to the master when i go to look at a device
[12-Oct-2010 10:48:39] <imeyer> so now i'm making sure the data is actually getting into the rrds
[12-Oct-2010 10:48:52] <fus10nx> I figured I could make an event class or something
[12-Oct-2010 10:50:04] <imeyer> there we go!
[12-Oct-2010 10:50:12] <imeyer> Parabola|W: thanks man! 
[12-Oct-2010 10:50:31] <imeyer> freakin ec2
[12-Oct-2010 10:55:54] <fus10nx> so yea how can i get a certain event to an event class - thats apparently what i need to do
[12-Oct-2010 10:57:32] <twm1010> by mapping it, and altering the regex for it
[12-Oct-2010 10:57:47] <twm1010> and then if you want it to translate it somehow, you need to setup a transform
[12-Oct-2010 10:59:02] <fus10nx> Yea what should go in the RegEx?
[12-Oct-2010 10:59:09] <fus10nx> and the transform, thats the last 2 thins im trying to figure ut
[12-Oct-2010 11:00:40] <Parabola|W> imeyer,  
[12-Oct-2010 11:00:50] <Parabola|W> i'm glad i could help!
[12-Oct-2010 11:00:59] <Parabola|W> you're only like the 3rd person i've actually been able to help in here lol
[12-Oct-2010 11:01:29] <imeyer> i have another tricky question if you wanna take a stab at it
[12-Oct-2010 11:01:37] <Parabola|W> sure i love puncture wounds
[12-Oct-2010 11:01:38] <Parabola|W> whats up
[12-Oct-2010 11:01:39] <imeyer> but i fear this is more ec2 weirdness
[12-Oct-2010 11:01:50] <imeyer> so, i have two classes right now, zenoss, and queryserver
[12-Oct-2010 11:02:30] <imeyer> i have two regions, us-east and eu-west.. when i add a device to queryserver and set its collector to the one in eu-west, it gets the correct 10.0.0.0 address
[12-Oct-2010 11:03:00] <imeyer> however, if i add the zenoss collector, it gets the public address, even though if i do a look up from the eu-west collector, it returns the correct 10.0.0.0 ip
[12-Oct-2010 11:03:25] <imeyer> i looked at zenjob.log on the master
[12-Oct-2010 11:04:39] <Parabola|W> hm
[12-Oct-2010 11:04:46] <Parabola|W> mine has the public IP
[12-Oct-2010 11:04:52] <Parabola|W> not the internal
[12-Oct-2010 11:05:06] <imeyer> https://gist.github.com/raw/226660eb91f9932e59b4/dd024df61cd979b759fac7cea7d4fe919d3fcc84/gistfile1.txt
[12-Oct-2010 11:05:19] <imeyer> so even the queryserver ends up saying, hey i'm 79.blah blah
[12-Oct-2010 11:05:29] <imeyer> btu in the device pane, it shows 10.x.x.x
[12-Oct-2010 11:05:30] <fus10nx> So on the event classes the R
[12-Oct-2010 11:05:34] <fus10nx> RegEx is the message i want to display?
[12-Oct-2010 11:05:49] <Parabola|W> yeah im not sure imeyer :-\
[12-Oct-2010 11:05:56] <Parabola|W> i know mine the remote collectors show up as external IPs
[12-Oct-2010 11:06:06] <Parabola|W> which it should
[12-Oct-2010 11:06:29] <Parabola|W> i havent noticed the internal IP on any of mine :-\
[12-Oct-2010 11:06:41] <twm1010> fus10nx: you're on the right path, but i've not put any real effort yet into understanding event classification
[12-Oct-2010 11:06:43] <Parabola|W> and i cant check anymore, because again that site to site is up, so i changed it to be the internal address 
[12-Oct-2010 11:06:54] <imeyer> yeah, that's cool. 
[12-Oct-2010 11:06:58] <twm1010> i'd post your question to the forums, and see if you can get a good response, but i think you're in the right direction
[12-Oct-2010 11:07:05] <imeyer> you've been a good help thus far
[12-Oct-2010 11:08:03] <fus10nx> i think i get how transforms work but we'll see
[12-Oct-2010 11:08:19] <Parabola|W>  bigegor is the person to ask on that one, or maybe mray
[12-Oct-2010 11:08:31] <Parabola|W> they have a much better grasp of remote collectors
[12-Oct-2010 11:09:17] <xuru> I'm trying to create a datasource for a template I have using SNMP: 1.3.6.1.2.1.43.11.1.1.9.1
[12-Oct-2010 11:09:31] <xuru> testing it gives back 14 values
[12-Oct-2010 11:09:49] <xuru> how do I get those into data points?
[12-Oct-2010 11:10:21] <twm1010> xuru: well, each data point will have an oid as well
[12-Oct-2010 11:10:48] <twm1010> i don't think SNMP in zenoss allows for one OID to bring back multiple datapoints
[12-Oct-2010 11:11:08] <xuru> bummer
[12-Oct-2010 11:12:36] <mray> xuru: most people wrap the snmp calls in a command data source
[12-Oct-2010 11:13:11] <xuru> yeah, I found a snmp_branch.py that someone was using to do that
[12-Oct-2010 11:13:33] <xuru> I just wanted to make sure I couldn't do that using just strait snmp
[12-Oct-2010 11:15:38] <fus10nx> Is anyone here an Event Class guru ?
[12-Oct-2010 11:15:58] <fus10nx> I can't seem to figure this out
[12-Oct-2010 11:23:02] <jcape> Any suggestions on how to set a utilization threshold on a particular interface?
[12-Oct-2010 11:23:53] <jcape> i.e. I have a router with multiple 100MbE interfaces, I'd like to set the threshold on one of them to 4MbE, even though the interface speed is different.
[12-Oct-2010 11:28:53] <twm1010> jcape: go to the interface itself, then override the template, and adjust the threshold
[12-Oct-2010 11:29:12] <jcape> twm1010: Create Local Copy = Error
[12-Oct-2010 11:29:29] <jcape> "Type:
[12-Oct-2010 11:29:31] <jcape> Value: The property description does not exist "
[12-Oct-2010 11:31:12] <twm1010> jcape: lucky you, i get the same error 
[12-Oct-2010 11:31:14] <jcape> ethernetCsmacd_64, gig port
[12-Oct-2010 11:31:28] <twm1010> mray: is there a ticket for not being able to create a local copy of an interface template in 3.0.2?
[12-Oct-2010 11:31:45] <mray> twm1010: it's cleverly hidden/poorly named
[12-Oct-2010 11:32:01] <jcape> Would setting the bandwidth on the interface accomplish the same goal?
[12-Oct-2010 11:32:08] <rmatte> interesting how python doesn't give me the proper result when I do: ((1000 / 10000) - 1) * -100
[12-Oct-2010 11:32:17] <twm1010> jcape: you mean in the router's config? using the "bandwidth" commnand? probably
[12-Oct-2010 11:32:21] <jcape> Yeah
[12-Oct-2010 11:32:24] <rmatte> It gives me 100, since it's seeing 1000/10000 as 0
[12-Oct-2010 11:32:28] <rmatte> for whatever reason
[12-Oct-2010 11:32:42] <twm1010> since utilization threshold is a percentage, not an absolute value
[12-Oct-2010 11:33:34] <mray> twm1010: go to Advanced->Monitoring Templates
[12-Oct-2010 11:33:39] <mray> twm1010: find the one you want to copy
[12-Oct-2010 11:33:52] <mray> and select "Override Template" from the gear
[12-Oct-2010 11:33:54] <cgibbons> in python 2 the / operator does integer division if both its operators are integers
[12-Oct-2010 11:33:59] <cgibbons> er operands
[12-Oct-2010 11:33:59] <mray> that'll ask you where you want to copy it to
[12-Oct-2010 11:34:34] <rmatte> cgibbons: ok, so how do I get it to float?
[12-Oct-2010 11:34:40] <xuru> cast it
[12-Oct-2010 11:34:44] <xuru> float(num)
[12-Oct-2010 11:34:51] <rmatte> I tried that
[12-Oct-2010 11:35:04] <rmatte> >>> float(((1000 / 10000) - 1) * -100)
[12-Oct-2010 11:35:04] <rmatte> 100.0
[12-Oct-2010 11:35:11] <twm1010> mray: ah, and ovverride it right to the interface
[12-Oct-2010 11:35:14] <cgibbons> the values not the expression
[12-Oct-2010 11:35:19] <xuru> float(1000) / float(10000)
[12-Oct-2010 11:35:26] <rmatte> ah
[12-Oct-2010 11:35:26] <xuru> yeah
[12-Oct-2010 11:35:27] <cgibbons> or just 1000.0 / 10000.0
[12-Oct-2010 11:35:44] <xuru> yeah, if they are just numbers
[12-Oct-2010 11:35:49] <rmatte> gotcha
[12-Oct-2010 11:36:09] <rmatte> cgibbons: thanks
[12-Oct-2010 11:36:44] <jcape> twm1010, mray: I didn't think you could target a template at a particular interface---just a particular device...
[12-Oct-2010 11:37:11] <rmatte> jcape: It depends on the type of template
[12-Oct-2010 11:37:20] <rmatte> there are templates for filesystems, interfaces, processes, etc...
[12-Oct-2010 11:37:51] <rmatte> and interface template is of type Products.ZenModel.IpInterface
[12-Oct-2010 11:38:02] <jcape> rmatte: I see.
[12-Oct-2010 11:38:05] <rmatte> A device performance template is Products.ZenModel.Device
[12-Oct-2010 11:38:11] <rmatte> that's how Zenoss differentiates them
[12-Oct-2010 11:39:39] <jcape> Right. Any way for that target dropdown to not vomit all over itself and throw an "unable to connect to server" error?
[12-Oct-2010 11:40:43] <rmatte> you did actually type something in to it?
[12-Oct-2010 11:41:04] <rmatte> (it's really badly implemented right now, they had a new developer write it and it's pretty messed up
[12-Oct-2010 11:42:26] <jcape> Yes, trying the name of the box throws that error
[12-Oct-2010 11:42:43] <jcape> i.e. "rt"... spins
[12-Oct-2010 11:42:50] <jcape> rt-01.wdc1 = nothing
[12-Oct-2010 11:43:01] <jcape> Cisco = "Cisco in /Devices/..."
[12-Oct-2010 11:43:11] <rmatte> what are you trying to type in to it?
[12-Oct-2010 11:43:19] <rmatte> you can only browse for classes in it
[12-Oct-2010 11:43:23] <rmatte> you're not going to get interface names
[12-Oct-2010 11:43:26] <twm1010> jcape: im trying it here
[12-Oct-2010 11:43:38] <rmatte> or device names for that matter
[12-Oct-2010 11:43:47] <jcape> Right, which is why I didn't expect it to work.
[12-Oct-2010 11:43:50] <twm1010> rmatte: what we're trying to do is copy/create a local template on an interface
[12-Oct-2010 11:43:56] <jcape> rmatte: Trying to override the threshold on a particular interface
[12-Oct-2010 11:45:15] <rmatte> jcape: you need to navigate to that interface on the device page
[12-Oct-2010 11:45:28] <rmatte> then select templates from the dropdown (where it says Graphs)
[12-Oct-2010 11:45:29] <jcape> c.f. scrollback (tried that, errors out)
[12-Oct-2010 11:45:47] <rmatte> then click the copy button next to the template
[12-Oct-2010 11:45:50] <rmatte> to create a local copy
[12-Oct-2010 11:45:54] <rmatte> that's the only way to do it
[12-Oct-2010 11:46:07] <rmatte> Also, if you're trying to specify a new template for a certain type of interface...
[12-Oct-2010 11:46:17] <rmatte> view the details for the interface on a device page, there will be a "type" listed
[12-Oct-2010 11:46:30] <rmatte> such as ethernetCsmacd for ethernet interfaces
[12-Oct-2010 11:46:46] <rmatte> you can copy the existing ethernetCsmacd template and then rename it to match the type of the other interface
[12-Oct-2010 11:46:57] <rmatte> and Zenoss will know to automatically apply it to any interfaces matching that type
[12-Oct-2010 11:47:48] <rmatte> the new interface is incredibly confusing for managing templates right now compared to the old one, but hopefully that'll improve
[12-Oct-2010 11:47:53] <jcape> rmatte: Yeah, the problem is that "Create Local Copy" thrrows an error.
[12-Oct-2010 11:48:04] <rmatte> Then you have deeper problems
[12-Oct-2010 11:48:09] <rmatte> what's the error?
[12-Oct-2010 11:49:02] <twm1010> rmatte: I have the same error, brand new 3.0.2 install
[12-Oct-2010 11:50:09] <rmatte> sounds like a nifty bug then
[12-Oct-2010 11:50:13] * rmatte checks
[12-Oct-2010 11:50:15] <jcape> Create Local Copy = Error
[12-Oct-2010 11:50:18] <jcape> "Type: 10/12/2010 10:29:29 AM
[12-Oct-2010 11:50:20] <jcape> Value: The property description does not exist "
[12-Oct-2010 11:50:32] <rmatte> I'll try it myself, one sec
[12-Oct-2010 11:50:35] <jcape> (the time is from my client, not in the actual error)
[12-Oct-2010 11:51:16] <rmatte> It's too bad they didn't include some way to switch between the old and the new UI lol, but I guess there's too much underlying code tied in to it
[12-Oct-2010 11:52:23] <rmatte> I just created a local copy fine without any errors
[12-Oct-2010 11:53:04] <rmatte> it was for the ethernetCsmacd_64 template, maybe it's specific to the ethernetCsmacd template
[12-Oct-2010 11:53:08] <rmatte> I'll try that one next
[12-Oct-2010 11:53:33] <jcape> I'm using the _64 template as well.
[12-Oct-2010 11:53:50] <rmatte> k well, I managed to create a local copy of the template fine
[12-Oct-2010 11:54:01] <rmatte> this is an upgrade though, not a fresh 3.0.2 install
[12-Oct-2010 11:54:09] <rmatte> so maybe it's something to do with a fresh install
[12-Oct-2010 11:54:46] <jcape> Is there a preferred pastebin?
[12-Oct-2010 11:54:53] <rmatte> I use fpaste.org
[12-Oct-2010 11:55:04] <rmatte> but not really, pick what you want
[12-Oct-2010 11:55:54] <jcape> http://pastebin.com/v1hSLLPJ
[12-Oct-2010 11:56:03] <jcape> Looks like someone isn't properly escaping the contents of description
[12-Oct-2010 11:56:13] <rmatte> wow, if you create a local copy and click on the template name it doesn't even bring you to the template automatically
[12-Oct-2010 11:56:15] <jcape> I've got non-alphanumeric characters
[12-Oct-2010 11:56:18] <rmatte> you have to hunt it down on the left
[12-Oct-2010 11:56:26] <rmatte> this is horrible
[12-Oct-2010 11:57:09] <rmatte> jcape: remove them and see if it works
[12-Oct-2010 11:57:13] <jcape> The description is "Alliance Telecom Internet -  ATG-[<num>] - [AAP-RT #<num>]"
[12-Oct-2010 11:57:15] <rmatte> if it does, then we can file that as a bug
[12-Oct-2010 11:57:18] <jcape> No can do, they're circuit IDs.
[12-Oct-2010 11:57:45] <rmatte> oh, the description for the device you mean?
[12-Oct-2010 11:58:21] <xuru> I have a command data source that returns:
[12-Oct-2010 11:58:23] <xuru> |Cyan Toner=100 Magenta Toner=100 Yellow Toner=100 Black Toner=25 Waste Toner=0 Cyan Photoconductive Drum=57 Magenta Photoconductive Drum=57 Yellow Photoconductive Drum=57 Black Photoconductive Drum=3 Cyan Developer=57 Magenta Developer=57 Yellow Developer=57 Black Developer=3 Fusing Unit=-2
[12-Oct-2010 11:58:29] <xuru> does that look right?
[12-Oct-2010 11:58:40] <rmatte> xuru: you can't have spaces in the names
[12-Oct-2010 11:58:46] <xuru> I'm getting no graphs, so I'm wondering
[12-Oct-2010 11:58:49] <xuru> doh
[12-Oct-2010 11:58:51] <xuru> ok
[12-Oct-2010 11:58:56] <rmatte> xuru: replace the spaces with hyphens
[12-Oct-2010 11:59:02] <jcape> rmatte: No, the circuit is an internet connection, so it contains the circuit ID, phone # to call, etc.
[12-Oct-2010 11:59:24] <jcape> So any yahoo can troubleshoot an alarm like "GI0/0 on <router> is down"
[12-Oct-2010 11:59:31] <rmatte> jcape: ohhhh, you mean the actual description picked up via snmp?
[12-Oct-2010 11:59:35] <jcape> Yes
[12-Oct-2010 11:59:42] <rmatte> ah
[12-Oct-2010 11:59:44] <st3v3o> afternoon guys
[12-Oct-2010 11:59:50] <rmatte> that could be it
[12-Oct-2010 12:00:06] <rmatte> twm1010: you have some funky description on the interface that your tried on?
[12-Oct-2010 12:00:11] <rmatte> you*
[12-Oct-2010 12:01:18] <jcape> I notice in the Details pulldown it's stripping the trailing ] (right bracket)
[12-Oct-2010 12:02:40] <rmatte> jcape: I don't even know why it would be touching the interface description during a copy though
[12-Oct-2010 12:02:56] <rmatte> the more likely culprit is the actual description property for the template itself
[12-Oct-2010 12:03:00] <jcape> I see
[12-Oct-2010 12:03:03] <rmatte> "Standard Other interface template with 75% utilization threshold" or whatever
[12-Oct-2010 12:03:09] <twm1010> umm, one sec, im looking at the interface of a server
[12-Oct-2010 12:03:15] <rmatte> maybe it has some garbage characters, or doesn't get created on clean install
[12-Oct-2010 12:03:30] <twm1010> description is blank
[12-Oct-2010 12:03:59] <rmatte> Try filling out the description
[12-Oct-2010 12:04:01] <rmatte> then copying it
[12-Oct-2010 12:04:09] <rmatte> actually sorry
[12-Oct-2010 12:04:14] <rmatte> you're talking about interface description
[12-Oct-2010 12:04:17] <rmatte> and mixing me up
[12-Oct-2010 12:04:18] <rmatte> lol
[12-Oct-2010 12:04:30] <rmatte> I think it has to do with the description of the template itself
[12-Oct-2010 12:04:35] <rmatte> not the interface description
[12-Oct-2010 12:04:44] <jcape> Any caches that need flushing? Restart zenoss?
[12-Oct-2010 12:05:07] <rmatte> nah
[12-Oct-2010 12:05:18] <jcape> Ohhhkay, where is the template?
[12-Oct-2010 12:05:39] <rmatte> just click on it on the page that you copied it from
[12-Oct-2010 12:05:46] <rmatte> then look on the left, expand the template name
[12-Oct-2010 12:05:52] <rmatte> and click on the one for that interface
[12-Oct-2010 12:05:59] <jcape> Description = "Template for 64-bit interface counters. Must use SNMP v2c for it to work."
[12-Oct-2010 12:06:19] <rmatte> yeh, I'm wondering if that's the description property that it's complaining about
[12-Oct-2010 12:06:57] <st3v3o> I'm randomly getting this error….localhost zeneventlog heartbeat failure ….anyone know what might cause this ?
[12-Oct-2010 12:07:19] <rmatte> either way, since it's repoducible, one of you guys should log a trac ticket
[12-Oct-2010 12:07:42] <rmatte> st3v3o: Just ignore those, they are overly sensitive
[12-Oct-2010 12:07:50] <rmatte> I have them come in constantly, but it doesn't affect anything
[12-Oct-2010 12:07:54] <rmatte> I just don't bother alerting on them
[12-Oct-2010 12:08:12] <st3v3o> do you know what is the source cause ?
[12-Oct-2010 12:08:38] <rmatte> yes, they wrote a heartbeat system that expects a "handshake" or whatever from each daemon within a certain amount of time or it sends a heartbeat alert
[12-Oct-2010 12:08:44] <rmatte> and they made it way too sensitive
[12-Oct-2010 12:08:53] <rmatte> so if a daemon is under high load you'll get heartbeat alerts from it
[12-Oct-2010 12:08:58] <rmatte> it doesn't mean it's not working
[12-Oct-2010 12:09:02] <st3v3o> gotcha
[12-Oct-2010 12:09:25] <rmatte> I'm not sure if there's some way to tune them, I've never really looked in to it
[12-Oct-2010 12:10:00] <jcape>  Nope, no dice
[12-Oct-2010 12:10:25] <jcape> Set to "BrokenQuestion", still broken, so it's something else... hasn't picked up the IF description
[12-Oct-2010 12:13:12] <twm1010> jcape: going to try it off a router's interface
[12-Oct-2010 12:14:13] <twm1010> no joy
[12-Oct-2010 12:14:23] <twm1010> can't seem to create a local copy of any interface's template
[12-Oct-2010 12:14:51] <rmatte> jcape: the IF description is unlikely, that's a different problem alltogether
[12-Oct-2010 12:14:59] <jcape> I see
[12-Oct-2010 12:15:02] <rmatte> since twm1010 is having the issue on all of his interfaces
[12-Oct-2010 12:15:17] <rmatte> jcape: you could try copying it on an interface where it did properly pull down the description
[12-Oct-2010 12:15:23] <rmatte> I'd bet money that you'll get the same results
[12-Oct-2010 12:15:39] <rmatte> It has to be a problem with the way that the zope database is being populated on a clean install
[12-Oct-2010 12:15:42] <jcape> fail
[12-Oct-2010 12:15:50] <jcape> (i.e. also dies)
[12-Oct-2010 12:16:05] <rmatte> since my 3.0.2 install is an upgrade from 2.5 and I can do it
[12-Oct-2010 12:16:11] <jcape> Meh, it respects "bandwidth", which is good enough for me.
[12-Oct-2010 12:16:26] <rmatte> twm1010: open a trac ticket
[12-Oct-2010 12:16:35] <twm1010> rmatte: i have a 3.0.2 virtual appliance here, haven't booted it yet, let me see what happens.
[12-Oct-2010 12:16:41] <rmatte> twm1010: k
[12-Oct-2010 12:17:04] <rmatte> I'm going to go grab food, afk for a few
[12-Oct-2010 12:19:03] <rmatte> or not, seems I forgot to put cash in my wallet
[12-Oct-2010 12:20:57] <twm1010> yeah ok
[12-Oct-2010 12:21:05] <twm1010> 3.0.2 VM does it, right after first boot
[12-Oct-2010 12:21:17] <twm1010> whats the URL to open a  TRAC ticket?
[12-Oct-2010 12:21:46] <jcape> twm1010: After you've got it open I'll paste my trace in there, just lemme know the URL
[12-Oct-2010 12:22:04] <rmatte> dev.zenoss.com/trac
[12-Oct-2010 12:22:15] <rmatte> twm1010: I could have swore you've opened a trac ticket before
[12-Oct-2010 12:22:32] <twm1010> rmatte: like... a year ago 
[12-Oct-2010 12:22:42] <rmatte> you still know your login details?
[12-Oct-2010 12:23:16] <twm1010> I do not
[12-Oct-2010 12:23:55] <rmatte> just login with zenoss/zenoss
[12-Oct-2010 12:23:58] <twm1010> still trying to make sure there isn't an existing ticket for this
[12-Oct-2010 12:24:05] <rmatte> yeh
[12-Oct-2010 12:24:49] <rmatte> These are all the tickets for 3.0.3: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/query?status=assigned&status=backlog&status=closed&status=fixrejected&status=new&status=verification&group=patch_state&patch=3.0.3&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=owner&col=priority&col=milestone&col=component&col=changetime&report=6&order=status
[12-Oct-2010 12:24:55] <twm1010> here
[12-Oct-2010 12:24:57] <twm1010> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/7336
[12-Oct-2010 12:25:00] <rmatte> doesn't seem to be in there
[12-Oct-2010 12:29:14] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[12-Oct-2010 12:47:49] <tonb> HI 
[12-Oct-2010 12:48:52] <tonb> anyone can help me with vmware ver of zenoss 3.0.2 ? i can't login into system. root/admin/my_user account don't work
[12-Oct-2010 12:49:13] <tonb> i'm using vm esxi 4.0, and i'm trying to log into centos from vmware console
[12-Oct-2010 12:50:20] <rmatte> tonb: admin/zenoss
[12-Oct-2010 12:50:31] <rmatte> does that not work?
[12-Oct-2010 12:50:50] <tonb> nope. and zenoss/zenoss don't work too
[12-Oct-2010 12:51:08] <rmatte> k, then ssh to the server, become the zenoss user (sudo su - zenoss)
[12-Oct-2010 12:51:12] <rmatte> type zendmd
[12-Oct-2010 12:51:13] <rmatte> and do...
[12-Oct-2010 12:51:18] <rmatte> app.acl_users.userManager.updateUserPassword('admin', 'newPassword')
[12-Oct-2010 12:51:18] <rmatte> commit()
[12-Oct-2010 12:51:23] <tonb> i can't, (or i don't know really how in this version of centos) i can boot into single user mode..
[12-Oct-2010 12:51:33] <rmatte> obviously replace newPassword with what you want to set the admin password to
[12-Oct-2010 12:51:59] <tonb> doh.
[12-Oct-2010 12:52:02] <rmatte> oh wait, you can't even get in to CentOS?
[12-Oct-2010 12:52:12] <rmatte> that's not really a Zenoss related problem 
[12-Oct-2010 12:52:14] <tonb> root/zenoss but only from SSH console work....
[12-Oct-2010 12:52:17] <tonb> damit..
[12-Oct-2010 12:52:21] <rmatte> lol
[12-Oct-2010 12:52:36] <tonb> you know, i read that ssh to root in vmware appliance in zentoss is blocked
[12-Oct-2010 12:52:40] <tonb> so i didn't event check it.
[12-Oct-2010 12:52:44] <tonb> even
[12-Oct-2010 12:53:19] <tonb> it's stupid. you can't login from console. but from ssh yes
[12-Oct-2010 12:53:44] * rmatte shrugs
[12-Oct-2010 12:54:04] <tonb> doh.
[12-Oct-2010 12:54:55] <tonb> i was forced to install another dhcpd server in vmware, to assing IP to this zentoss vmware app. , then you can login from ssh remotly.. and so on ;-)
[12-Oct-2010 12:55:02] <tonb> anyway ;D thanks for idea !
[12-Oct-2010 12:55:04] <tonb> (ssh)
[12-Oct-2010 12:57:17] <rmatte> np
[12-Oct-2010 13:01:56] <mducharme-laptop> afternoon
[12-Oct-2010 13:02:13] <mducharme-laptop> I've upgraded my development zenoss box (not my main box) to 3.0.2 from 2.5.2 and I'm having a few problems
[12-Oct-2010 13:02:23] <mducharme-laptop> I'm getting heartbeat failures on like everything
[12-Oct-2010 13:03:05] <mducharme-laptop> yet things still appear to work
[12-Oct-2010 13:03:37] <mducharme-laptop> how do I troubleshoot heartbeat failures like this
[12-Oct-2010 13:05:02] <mducharme-laptop> when I go into the "daemons" list it takes forever
[12-Oct-2010 13:15:10] <mducharme-laptop> hrm I might have found the problem
[12-Oct-2010 13:22:49] <mducharme-laptop> nope that wasn't it
[12-Oct-2010 13:32:03] <mducharme-laptop> zenperfsnmp heartbeat failure.. zenmonitor heartbeat failure.. zencommand heartbeat failure
[12-Oct-2010 13:37:30] <twm1010> tonb: I just booted my CentOS virtual appliance, it took root/zenoss from the console
[12-Oct-2010 13:58:38] <cgibbons> hmmm
[12-Oct-2010 14:00:44] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: ignore those, there is no way to fix those
[12-Oct-2010 14:01:02] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: I get them all the time, they got worse with the 2.5 release
[12-Oct-2010 14:01:16] <rmatte> I used to get them occasionally with 2.4 but not as much
[12-Oct-2010 14:01:25] <rmatte> They are basically useless
[12-Oct-2010 14:01:34] <rmatte> doesn't mean your daemons aren't working
[12-Oct-2010 14:16:57] <suprsonic> how often does zenoss pull from a device?
[12-Oct-2010 14:17:02] <suprsonic> every five minutes?
[12-Oct-2010 14:25:45] <rmatte> suprsonic: yes
[12-Oct-2010 14:25:55] <suprsonic> thanks
[12-Oct-2010 14:26:48] <rmatte> I hate it when I only have a free memory datasource to work with instead of a used memory datasource
[12-Oct-2010 14:27:03] <rmatte> pain in the ass to get a good looking threshold line on a graph
[12-Oct-2010 14:27:29] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[12-Oct-2010 14:27:37] <mducharme-laptop> I cannot seem to manually model devices with zenoss 3.0.2
[12-Oct-2010 14:27:45] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: hunh?
[12-Oct-2010 14:27:49] <mducharme-laptop> the automated modeling works just fine
[12-Oct-2010 14:27:50] <rmatte> how so?
[12-Oct-2010 14:28:00] <mducharme-laptop> but if I tell it to model device
[12-Oct-2010 14:28:15] <mducharme-laptop> I get the black window that says model device with the autoscroll checkbox
[12-Oct-2010 14:28:18] <mducharme-laptop> nothing is displayed
[12-Oct-2010 14:28:29] <rmatte> do you at least wait a bit?
[12-Oct-2010 14:28:36] <mducharme-laptop> I think I'm supposed to see something, not just a blank window
[12-Oct-2010 14:28:37] <rmatte> what browser are you using?
[12-Oct-2010 14:28:42] <mducharme-laptop> wel I waited 5-10 minutes the other day
[12-Oct-2010 14:28:45] <mducharme-laptop> tried firefox and IE
[12-Oct-2010 14:28:57] <rmatte> did you upgrade without clearing your browser caches?
[12-Oct-2010 14:31:17] <mducharme-laptop> I cleared my cache after
[12-Oct-2010 14:31:22] <mducharme-laptop> I had to clear it before?
[12-Oct-2010 14:31:48] <rmatte> no
[12-Oct-2010 14:31:50] <rmatte> I meant after
[12-Oct-2010 14:32:08] <mducharme-laptop> I tried from other web browsers and other computers that have never been to our zenoss site
[12-Oct-2010 14:32:09] <rmatte> you upgraded then cleared your caches, yes?
[12-Oct-2010 14:32:22] <rmatte> k, I just modeled and it worked fine, I saw text in the window
[12-Oct-2010 14:32:27] <rmatte> so no idea what's wrong with your install
[12-Oct-2010 14:33:49] <mducharme-laptop> yeah I get nothing in that window
[12-Oct-2010 14:34:07] <mducharme-laptop> ok this is interesting
[12-Oct-2010 14:34:10] <mducharme-laptop> I did a reindex from zendmd
[12-Oct-2010 14:34:13] <mducharme-laptop> i got an error
[12-Oct-2010 14:34:27] <mducharme-laptop> ConflictError: database conflict error (oid 0x06610f, class BTrees.OIBTree.OIBucket, serial this txn started with 0x03898269fbe904cc 2010-10-12 17:45:59.041460, serial currently committed 0x0389827247d9dacc 2010-10-12 17:54:16.840077)
[12-Oct-2010 14:34:32] <mducharme-laptop> what does that mean?
[12-Oct-2010 14:35:27] <rmatte> k, you're going to have to do this to reindex...
[12-Oct-2010 14:35:34] <rmatte> become the zenoss user
[12-Oct-2010 14:35:36] <rmatte> zenoss stop
[12-Oct-2010 14:35:39] <rmatte> zeoctl start
[12-Oct-2010 14:35:41] <rmatte> zendmd
[12-Oct-2010 14:35:43] <rmatte> reindex()
[12-Oct-2010 14:35:45] <rmatte> commit()
[12-Oct-2010 14:35:48] <rmatte> ctrl-d
[12-Oct-2010 14:35:50] <rmatte> zenoss start
[12-Oct-2010 14:37:10] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[12-Oct-2010 14:37:16] <mducharme-laptop> I'm just seeing if the reindex will fix anything
[12-Oct-2010 14:37:39] <rmatte> well, the fact that you have that conflict is obviously going to cause problems
[12-Oct-2010 14:37:49] <rmatte> so it's quite possible that's what the issue is
[12-Oct-2010 14:39:42] <mducharme-laptop> sure takes a bit to do a reindex
[12-Oct-2010 14:42:06] <rmatte> yup
[12-Oct-2010 14:46:01] <rmatte> ericenns was supposed to send me his vmware datasource pack so that I could use it to build my math datasource, but I guess he forgot
[12-Oct-2010 14:46:34] <mducharme-laptop> nah that didn't do anything
[12-Oct-2010 14:46:39] <mducharme-laptop> I don't know how to tell what it's doing
[12-Oct-2010 14:46:52] <mducharme-laptop> I mean I get a white box in the black window
[12-Oct-2010 14:46:54] <mducharme-laptop> and a progress bar
[12-Oct-2010 14:47:02] <mducharme-laptop> then the progress bar goes to the end and the white box turns black
[12-Oct-2010 14:47:48] <rmatte> progress bar?
[12-Oct-2010 14:47:54] <rmatte> I've never seen that before
[12-Oct-2010 14:48:08] <rmatte> screenshot?
[12-Oct-2010 15:08:07] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[12-Oct-2010 15:10:50] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[12-Oct-2010 15:13:59] <xuru> howdy
[12-Oct-2010 15:20:11] <mducharme-laptop> rmatte I don't mean progress bar in the zenoss interface
[12-Oct-2010 15:20:20] <mducharme-laptop> I mean the browser status bar
[12-Oct-2010 15:20:32] <mducharme-laptop> it has a progress indicator
[12-Oct-2010 16:05:38] <fsk141> ohai, I'm trying to install WMI data source on a brand new install of zenoss (3.0.2) and it's not working  I tried through the web interface & in cli
[12-Oct-2010 16:06:07] <fsk141> on the web gui I go to upload, and it refreshes the page, but nothing is there
[12-Oct-2010 16:06:35] <rmatte> fsk141: just install it from the commandline
[12-Oct-2010 16:06:39] <fsk141> and I get errors when I try it in cli. Does anyone know a way to get this to work with no problems
[12-Oct-2010 16:06:41] <rmatte> zenpack --install <filename>
[12-Oct-2010 16:06:43] <rmatte> as the zenoss user
[12-Oct-2010 16:06:52] <rmatte> what errors are you getting?
[12-Oct-2010 16:06:54] <fsk141> I'll try again, and output errors
[12-Oct-2010 16:07:00] <rmatte> k
[12-Oct-2010 16:08:26] <fsk141> rmatte: does it matter if it's zipped, or .egg?
[12-Oct-2010 16:10:19] <Parabola|W> remove the .zip
[12-Oct-2010 16:10:23] <Parabola|W> leave the .egg extension
[12-Oct-2010 16:10:35] * Parabola|W taps rmatte  out
[12-Oct-2010 16:11:48] <Parabola|W> after you add one, if it shows up and says missing or broken, restart the zope daemon
[12-Oct-2010 16:14:28] <fsk141> MEH!
[12-Oct-2010 16:14:33] <fsk141> it worked now
[12-Oct-2010 16:14:54] <fsk141> I setup a new VE & setup zenoss again & installed through cli & it worked
[12-Oct-2010 16:15:21] <fsk141> Parabola|W: I have missing or broken on my other zenoss install, I restarted zope daemon (zopectl restart), and it didn't resolve
[12-Oct-2010 16:15:50] <Parabola|W> fsk141,  did you upgrade that zenoss install to 3.x and then it broke?
[12-Oct-2010 16:16:08] <Parabola|W> if not, and you just installed them, try "zenoss restart" from SSH as the user "zenoss"
[12-Oct-2010 16:16:27] <wvcain> Just installed zenoss.  It on localhost... crud.  where id the GUI IP address configured.
[12-Oct-2010 16:16:45] <Parabola|W> GUI IP?
[12-Oct-2010 16:16:50] <Parabola|W> by default its on port 8080
[12-Oct-2010 16:17:18] <wvcain> running http://localhost:8080 need it on http://foo.bar.com:8080
[12-Oct-2010 16:17:35] <wvcain> System has three hot nic/ports.
[12-Oct-2010 16:17:47] <Parabola|W> you want to configure for a different interface?
[12-Oct-2010 16:17:53] <Parabola|W> I'm not sure how you would do that
[12-Oct-2010 16:18:09] <wvcain> yep, want to move interfaces
[12-Oct-2010 16:18:13] <Parabola|W> sorry, not sure
[12-Oct-2010 16:18:17] <Parabola|W> google might help on that one if no ones here
[12-Oct-2010 16:18:24] <Parabola|W> this place slows down alot in the afternoon / evenings
[12-Oct-2010 16:18:27] <wvcain> time for thew admin guide.
[12-Oct-2010 16:19:11] <fsk141> Parabola|W: is it a big deal if I start zenoss with root user?
[12-Oct-2010 16:19:25] <Parabola|W> fsk141,  you can do that with like /etc/init.d sure
[12-Oct-2010 16:19:32] <Parabola|W> but ive always been told to do it as zenoss
[12-Oct-2010 16:19:40] <Parabola|W> no big deal, just ssh in and "su root"
[12-Oct-2010 16:19:42] <Parabola|W> erm
[12-Oct-2010 16:19:44] <Parabola|W> su zenoss
[12-Oct-2010 16:19:45] <fsk141> ya me too, but with this testing I've been using root
[12-Oct-2010 16:19:52] <Parabola|W> well since your shits broken
[12-Oct-2010 16:19:57] <Parabola|W> i'd say thats a good indicator 
[12-Oct-2010 16:19:59] <fsk141> or sudo -u zenoss /bin/bash 
[12-Oct-2010 16:20:03] <Parabola|W> yes yes
[12-Oct-2010 16:20:03] <fsk141> Parabola|W: lolz
[12-Oct-2010 16:20:14] <fsk141> well on this new install I'm using zenoss user
[12-Oct-2010 16:23:02] <Parabola|W> well shit
[12-Oct-2010 16:23:06] <Parabola|W> my zenoss webgui isnt coming up
[12-Oct-2010 16:23:09] <Parabola|W> its just 'waiting"
[12-Oct-2010 16:23:11] <Parabola|W> adfklasdjflsdjaf
[12-Oct-2010 16:23:54] <rmatte> Parabola|W: If you just started Zenoss it happens from time to time, just stop it and start it again
[12-Oct-2010 16:24:07] <Parabola|W> nah been running for a few days
[12-Oct-2010 16:24:11] <rmatte> ah
[12-Oct-2010 16:24:18] <Parabola|W> lol not good
[12-Oct-2010 16:24:24] <Parabola|W> waiting on SSH
[12-Oct-2010 16:24:31] <wvcain> firewall.  It's all good.
[12-Oct-2010 16:24:38] <Parabola|W> no, its not all good
[12-Oct-2010 16:24:41] <rmatte> haha
[12-Oct-2010 16:24:56] <Parabola|W> k got login as
[12-Oct-2010 16:25:21] <Parabola|W> still not logged in 
[12-Oct-2010 16:25:50] <Parabola|W> hmm
[12-Oct-2010 16:26:01] <Parabola|W> load average 5.49 2.35 1.03
[12-Oct-2010 16:26:07] <Parabola|W> probobly somthing that should be addressed
[12-Oct-2010 16:26:34] <rmatte> ericenns: ah ok
[12-Oct-2010 16:26:36] <rmatte> oops
[12-Oct-2010 16:27:17] <Parabola|W> 5.49 good for a single cpu rmatte  
[12-Oct-2010 16:28:13] <Parabola|W> lets go for 7
[12-Oct-2010 16:30:11] <Parabola|W> rmatte, can you take a quick peak at this: thread/7019
[12-Oct-2010 16:31:45] <rmatte> yes
[12-Oct-2010 16:32:35] <rmatte> actually I have to take off, my ride is leaving
[12-Oct-2010 16:32:39] <rmatte> I'll be around tomorrow
[12-Oct-2010 16:35:13] <Parabola|W> alright
[12-Oct-2010 16:35:16] <Parabola|W> have a good night
[12-Oct-2010 17:07:50] <mray> The Zenoss REST API is now available: blogs/zenossblog/2010/10/12/zenoss-30-json-api-now-available
[12-Oct-2010 17:07:56] <cgibbons> yippie!
[12-Oct-2010 17:08:15] <aclark> mray: nice!
[12-Oct-2010 17:12:33] <xuru> sweet
[12-Oct-2010 17:59:16] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[12-Oct-2010 17:59:36] <Sam-I-Am> is there any way to set maintenance window return states to anything but 'original' ?
[12-Oct-2010 18:02:19] <Sam-I-Am> could just be a bug thats fixed in 3.x...
[12-Oct-2010 18:12:13] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[12-Oct-2010 18:14:31] <mducharme-laptop> ok I think I've found out why it doesn't seem to output data when I run the modeler in the web UI
[12-Oct-2010 18:14:39] <mducharme-laptop> when I run at the command line: /opt/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenmodeler run --now --monitor localhost -F -d ap-grandrapids.gobcn.ca
[12-Oct-2010 18:14:41] <mducharme-laptop> there is no output
[12-Oct-2010 18:14:46] <mducharme-laptop> it just returns to the prompt
[12-Oct-2010 18:14:56] <mducharme-laptop> when I ran that before the upgrade I got output
[12-Oct-2010 18:21:23] <mducharme-laptop> that's why this isn't working
[12-Oct-2010 18:22:22] <mducharme-laptop> when I add on a -v10 switch or -v20 it displays lots of stuff
[12-Oct-2010 18:46:56] <mducharme-laptop> ahh found the issue
[12-Oct-2010 18:47:04] <mducharme-laptop> was fixed in a zenpatch
[12-Oct-2010 18:50:51] <mducharme-laptop> there we go
[12-Oct-2010 18:50:59] <mducharme-laptop> it all works now
[12-Oct-2010 18:51:03] <mducharme-laptop> a few other little glitches but
[12-Oct-2010 18:51:06] <mducharme-laptop> I can fix those later
[12-Oct-2010 18:55:11] <xuru> ok, this is a new one...
[12-Oct-2010 18:55:12] <xuru> The server reported the following error:
[12-Oct-2010 18:55:12] <xuru> ProgrammingError (1064, "You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 's') and severity >= 1 and eventState <= 1 group by severity desc' at line 1")
[12-Oct-2010 18:55:12] <xuru> The system has encountered an error. Please reload the page.
[12-Oct-2010 18:57:43] <xuru> ah, found it http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/7177
[12-Oct-2010 19:00:37] <xuru> sweet, glad that worked
[12-Oct-2010 19:01:13] <xuru> heh, 248 interfaces on this router
[12-Oct-2010 19:04:10] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[12-Oct-2010 19:32:38] <Sam-I-Am> anyone here have a window into internal tickets at zenoss?
[12-Oct-2010 20:36:55] <rmatte> well, this is all pretty straightforward, guess I'll get started
[12-Oct-2010 20:36:57] <rmatte> oops
[12-Oct-2010 20:37:39] <rmatte> nice work, this is looking really good so far
[12-Oct-2010 20:37:45] <rmatte> eugh, again, forgetting to hit tab
[12-Oct-2010 20:37:46] <rmatte> lol
[12-Oct-2010 21:57:52] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: are you still here?
[12-Oct-2010 21:58:55] <rmatte> yes
[12-Oct-2010 21:59:01] <rmatte> though I'm coding right now
[12-Oct-2010 21:59:03] <rmatte> what's up?
[12-Oct-2010 22:16:43] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: something wrong with the zencommand daemon. I can successfully test data source through web and shell and see that it returns data and exit with status 2, but there is no event appears ^(
[12-Oct-2010 22:18:40] <rmatte> how is the data being displayed before it exits?
[12-Oct-2010 22:20:51] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: http://fpaste.org/d0cj/
[12-Oct-2010 22:21:59] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: I noticed it after upgrade to 3.0.2
[12-Oct-2010 22:27:04] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: here is the script http://fpaste.org/b0F4/
[12-Oct-2010 22:28:49] <rmatte> so it was working fine before 3.0.2?
[12-Oct-2010 22:28:58] <sergeymasushko> yep
[12-Oct-2010 22:29:14] <rmatte> then that's a regression of functionality, open a trac ticket
[12-Oct-2010 22:30:06] <sergeymasushko> I'm not sure if all is OK with my zenoss installation now, maybe I missed something...
[12-Oct-2010 22:30:17] <rmatte> well, double check everything
[12-Oct-2010 22:30:35] <rmatte> also, in the datasource, are you specifying the full path to the script?
[12-Oct-2010 22:30:55] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: sure
[12-Oct-2010 22:30:58] <rmatte> k
[12-Oct-2010 22:31:37] <rmatte> have you tried doing: zencommand run -v10 -d devicename
[12-Oct-2010 22:31:41] <rmatte> to see what it's doing/
[12-Oct-2010 22:31:42] <rmatte> ?
[12-Oct-2010 22:32:12] <rmatte> test datasource just executes the script as though you were executing it from the shell
[12-Oct-2010 22:32:20] <rmatte> it's not actually going to generate an event when you test
[12-Oct-2010 22:32:26] <sergeymasushko> I see that all daemons are started... but some logs are not updating... also when I tried to set logseverity to 10 in the conf files to see debug in logs... the logs are stopped to updating at all 
[12-Oct-2010 22:32:28] <rmatte> only an actual polling cycle will do that
[12-Oct-2010 22:32:45] <rmatte> don't bother setting logseverity to 10
[12-Oct-2010 22:32:52] <rmatte> just become the zenoss user and do the command that I said
[12-Oct-2010 22:32:55] <rmatte> it will be equivalent
[12-Oct-2010 22:34:52] <sergeymasushko> I see there "Total of 99 queued events"
[12-Oct-2010 22:35:20] <rmatte> yeh, that's not good
[12-Oct-2010 22:35:40] <rmatte> go to the collectors section and view the performance graphs for the localhost collector
[12-Oct-2010 22:35:47] <rmatte> you'll see a graph showing queued events
[12-Oct-2010 22:35:55] <rmatte> see if it's been that high for a while
[12-Oct-2010 22:38:15] <sergeymasushko> looks ok for me... cur is 0 there
[12-Oct-2010 22:40:15] <rmatte> hmmm
[12-Oct-2010 22:40:38] <rmatte> run the command again
[12-Oct-2010 22:40:50] <rmatte> let me know if it has increased above 99
[12-Oct-2010 22:41:00] <sergeymasushko> let me restart zenoss and try again...
[12-Oct-2010 22:41:09] <rmatte> k
[12-Oct-2010 22:43:41] <rmatte> I'm going to bed soon
[12-Oct-2010 22:43:47] <rmatte> I'll be back around tomorrow
[12-Oct-2010 22:43:58] <sergeymasushko> result is the same
[12-Oct-2010 22:44:09] <sergeymasushko> ok anyway thanks for your help.
[12-Oct-2010 22:44:22] <sergeymasushko> sweet dreams 
[12-Oct-2010 22:44:30] <rmatte> when it was working before... have you changed any settings related to that since?
[12-Oct-2010 22:44:35] <rmatte> or is it all exactly the same?
[12-Oct-2010 22:44:54] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: I did not touch anything there...
[12-Oct-2010 22:46:27] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: that's sad. due to we are closest to upgrade of our softswitch and this monitoring tool is very important... looks like we will do zenoss downgrade...
[12-Oct-2010 22:47:36] <rmatte> you can't downgrade
[12-Oct-2010 22:47:48] <sergeymasushko> I have a backup 
[12-Oct-2010 22:47:54] <rmatte> k
[12-Oct-2010 22:50:01] <rmatte> well, I'm off, goodnight
[12-Oct-2010 22:50:25] <sergeymasushko> CU
[12-Oct-2010 23:23:54] <Parabola> rmatte here at night
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[13-Oct-2010 09:46:23] <Parabola|Work> WOO
[13-Oct-2010 09:46:29] <Parabola|Work> I have a job interview next tues!
[13-Oct-2010 09:46:36] <zykes-> will there be any support for OpenStack ?
[13-Oct-2010 09:49:16] <rmatte> zykes-: only if someone writes it or if a customer demands it lol
[13-Oct-2010 09:50:14] <rmatte> ericenns: you around?
[13-Oct-2010 10:29:28] <Sam-I-Am> hmm @ bug in juniper devices enterprise zenpack
[13-Oct-2010 10:29:36] <Sam-I-Am> simple extra space in code overlooked
[13-Oct-2010 10:30:12] <Sam-I-Am> and it pretty much breaks the modeler's ability to grab device model, serial, and software version
[13-Oct-2010 10:32:19] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: open a support case to get it fixed
[13-Oct-2010 10:32:22] <Sam-I-Am> done 
[13-Oct-2010 10:32:30] <Sam-I-Am> and i included a super simple udiff
[13-Oct-2010 10:32:33] <Sam-I-Am> probably the easiest one ever...
[13-Oct-2010 10:32:34] <rmatte> cool
[13-Oct-2010 10:32:44] <Sam-I-Am> space... no space.
[13-Oct-2010 10:33:02] <wvcain> regex issue?
[13-Oct-2010 10:33:59] <Sam-I-Am> extra space in a variable
[13-Oct-2010 10:34:26] <Sam-I-Am> anyone here have a window into internal zenoss tickets?
[13-Oct-2010 10:35:01] <Parabola|Work> mray is the guy you want
[13-Oct-2010 10:35:04] <Parabola|Work> but hes not here right now
[13-Oct-2010 10:36:13] <Sam-I-Am> ah yeah, he might know.
[13-Oct-2010 10:36:46] <Sam-I-Am> a lot of my tickets disappear into the mystic after support verifies its a bug
[13-Oct-2010 10:41:08] <cgibbons> i can look
[13-Oct-2010 10:41:23] <cgibbons> got a ticket #?
[13-Oct-2010 11:03:31] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: internal or normal support ticket?
[13-Oct-2010 11:03:37] <Sam-I-Am> er, number
[13-Oct-2010 11:03:59] <cgibbons> whatever you want me to look up, prolly the internal ticket #, not the support ticket #
[13-Oct-2010 11:04:15] <cgibbons> although if they followed normal practice the support case will have an open-defect with a defect ticket # listed
[13-Oct-2010 11:04:26] <Sam-I-Am> internal defect is 2643
[13-Oct-2010 11:05:06] <Sam-I-Am> they actually moved the support ticket to closed-defect
[13-Oct-2010 11:05:52] <cgibbons> ok that's new enough it hasn't gone through the defect review yet, next one is thursday
[13-Oct-2010 11:05:54] <Sam-I-Am> probably hasnt been tackled yet
[13-Oct-2010 11:06:05] <Sam-I-Am> cool, thanks
[13-Oct-2010 11:06:51] <cgibbons> the general process is that defects get reviewed twice a week and re-prioritized, unless it's a known high-priority item in which case support will engage the L3 developer on call directly to try and fix it sooner
[13-Oct-2010 11:07:21] <cgibbons> so that one worked in 2.5.x?
[13-Oct-2010 11:07:32] <Parabola|Work> Question, does the fping zenpack cause high CPU load?
[13-Oct-2010 11:07:49] <Parabola|Work> im getting loads around 5.5 with a single cpu 
[13-Oct-2010 11:08:01] <Parabola|Work> and the webui takes a good 60 seconds to open up
[13-Oct-2010 11:08:44] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: dunno yet... i've just been assigned the task of r&d on 3.x
[13-Oct-2010 11:23:33] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: yes, it works in 2.5
[13-Oct-2010 11:23:56] <cgibbons> okie. it was marked regression in the defect also; much higher probability if it being addressedthen.
[13-Oct-2010 11:24:40] <Sam-I-Am> actually, this is 2.4
[13-Oct-2010 11:24:54] <Sam-I-Am> either way...
[13-Oct-2010 11:25:44] <Sam-I-Am> thanks for digging into it... its a feature that pretty much makes or breaks zenoss for my organization
[13-Oct-2010 11:28:55] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: are you aware of any way to put a device's individual interfaces into maintenance?
[13-Oct-2010 11:29:06] <Sam-I-Am> rather than the entire device
[13-Oct-2010 11:30:05] * Sam-I-Am has a list of requests from management he's trying to research for 3.x
[13-Oct-2010 11:46:43] <Parabola|Work> is there a good way to have zenoss monitor linux logs for key events?
[13-Oct-2010 11:46:59] <Parabola|Work> eg: my /var/log/messages has some info like "zeus mpt-statusd: detected non-optimal RAID status"
[13-Oct-2010 11:47:04] <Parabola|Work> that i'd like to be notified about 
[13-Oct-2010 11:49:02] <tiredofme> good afternoon
[13-Oct-2010 11:49:11] <Parabola|Work> Good afternoon
[13-Oct-2010 11:49:30] <tiredofme> i have a few questions regarding zenperfwmi and distributed collectors
[13-Oct-2010 11:50:02] <Parabola|Work> ask away man
[13-Oct-2010 11:50:13] <tiredofme> i've setup a remote collector, its able to talk to the master hub, graphs display correctly
[13-Oct-2010 11:50:33] <Parabola|Work> Alright, Question 1: did you use Egors distributed collector zenpack
[13-Oct-2010 11:50:46] <tiredofme> the only issue is that graphs from wmi sources do not update, in fact they display no data at all
[13-Oct-2010 11:50:49] <tiredofme> no
[13-Oct-2010 11:51:04] <tiredofme> i followed another guide
[13-Oct-2010 11:51:06] <Parabola|Work> alright, when you model a device that was added on the remote collector
[13-Oct-2010 11:51:11] <Parabola|Work> does the WMI information show up?
[13-Oct-2010 11:51:17] <Parabola|Work> or is WMI data not being pulled
[13-Oct-2010 11:51:32] <Parabola|Work> ie, disable SNMP on the /CIM/WMI class, and remodel, see what you get
[13-Oct-2010 11:51:54] <tiredofme> ok, let me do that
[13-Oct-2010 11:51:55] <Parabola|Work> wait, are you using egors WMI data / perf zenpacks
[13-Oct-2010 11:51:58] <tiredofme> yes
[13-Oct-2010 11:52:00] <Parabola|Work> okay good
[13-Oct-2010 11:52:19] <Parabola|Work> let me know if WMI data pulls when you remodel
[13-Oct-2010 11:53:20] <tiredofme> by disabling snmp on /cim/wmi do you mean remove all snmp modeler plugins or set zSnmpMonitorignore to true? or both?
[13-Oct-2010 11:54:10] <Parabola|Work> the latter
[13-Oct-2010 11:54:26] <Parabola|Work> The reason i'm asking you to do this is to see if WMI data is even being collected/ sent back by the remote collector
[13-Oct-2010 11:54:40] <Parabola|Work> without SNMP and WMI you wont get anything useful 
[13-Oct-2010 11:55:07] <tiredofme> ok remodeling now
[13-Oct-2010 11:56:05] <tiredofme> i don't see any wmi data being pulled
[13-Oct-2010 11:56:15] <tiredofme> other than 2010-10-13 11:55:42,000 ERROR zen.WMIClient: Received NT code 0x80041010 from query: SELECT * FROM Win32_Product
[13-Oct-2010 11:56:24] <Parabola|Work> Alright
[13-Oct-2010 11:56:42] <Parabola|Work> first think to check, make sure "monitor" and "Hubhost" are set correctly in the configs
[13-Oct-2010 11:56:48] <Parabola|Work> Do you know where / how to do this
[13-Oct-2010 11:56:58] <tiredofme> yes
[13-Oct-2010 11:57:07] <Parabola|Work> okay
[13-Oct-2010 11:57:12] <tiredofme> all conf files are set accordingly, even zenperfwmi
[13-Oct-2010 11:57:18] <Parabola|Work> do you have ports 8080 and 8081 open?
[13-Oct-2010 11:57:34] <Parabola|Work> open on the remote collector that is
[13-Oct-2010 11:57:40] <rmatte> Ok, since some people in here are much better at python than I, what would be the easiest way to go about doing the following... If I have a variable that is an expression such as "$datasource1 + $datasource2 / $datasource3" and turn it in to "d.getRRDValue('datasource1') + d.getRRDValue('datasource2') / d.getRRDValue('datasource3')"
[13-Oct-2010 11:58:16] <Parabola|Work> rmatte, i'm not sure mate, i know very little python 
[13-Oct-2010 11:58:22] <Parabola|Work> you just want a shorter statement?
[13-Oct-2010 11:58:23] <tiredofme> checking now
[13-Oct-2010 11:58:28] <rmatte> no
[13-Oct-2010 11:58:43] <rmatte> I want to replace anything that starts with $ with the actual function to retrieve rrddata
[13-Oct-2010 11:58:44] <Parabola|Work> oh i misread what you said then
[13-Oct-2010 11:58:54] <rmatte> basically $datasource1 becomes d.getRRDValue('datasource1')
[13-Oct-2010 11:59:04] <tiredofme> netstat -an | grep "LISTEN" shows that no service is listening on 8080 or 8081
[13-Oct-2010 11:59:24] <Parabola|Work> tiredofme, odd
[13-Oct-2010 11:59:59] <tiredofme> however, i can see data being graphed from a nagios plugin thats running on the remote collector
[13-Oct-2010 12:00:51] <tiredofme> 8091 is listening though
[13-Oct-2010 12:01:12] <Parabola|Work> maybe it was 8090 and 8091
[13-Oct-2010 12:01:18] <Parabola|Work> im sorry i have a bad memory sometimes
[13-Oct-2010 12:01:20] <rmatte> actually, I think I might have figured it out...
[13-Oct-2010 12:01:29] <Parabola|Work> the only thing i remember, is that egor had me open an additional port
[13-Oct-2010 12:01:36] <Parabola|Work> i had like 8091 open and he had me open 8090
[13-Oct-2010 12:01:57] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  cool i was googling it for you trying to figure it out
[13-Oct-2010 12:02:06] <Parabola|Work> anytime $datasource* shows up
[13-Oct-2010 12:02:08] <Parabola|Work> or just 1 2 and 3
[13-Oct-2010 12:02:35] <Parabola|Work> replacement_field maybe?
[13-Oct-2010 12:02:51] <Parabola|Work> hrm that only works on strings
[13-Oct-2010 12:03:04] <tiredofme> ok, so other than punching through 8090, is there any other configuration required? i.e changing anything in zenperfwmi.conf (as it stands, the only thing in zenperfwmi.conf are the respective monitor and hubhost entries
[13-Oct-2010 12:03:17] <Parabola|Work> tiredofme,  again i'm no expert
[13-Oct-2010 12:03:21] <Parabola|Work> i have SSH preshared keys setup and thoes 2 ports open
[13-Oct-2010 12:03:27] <Parabola|Work> and the config fiels changed, and mine works :-\
[13-Oct-2010 12:03:42] <tiredofme> hmmm ok, i'll give that a shot
[13-Oct-2010 12:03:59] <Parabola|Work> remember even if WMI starts working, graphs take a while to show up
[13-Oct-2010 12:04:02] <Parabola|Work> 15min or so
[13-Oct-2010 12:04:06] <tiredofme> actually, i've one more question
[13-Oct-2010 12:04:22] <Parabola|Work> sure
[13-Oct-2010 12:04:25] <tiredofme> when modeling these devices, the first line that appears is:
[13-Oct-2010 12:04:28] <tiredofme> "zen.ZenModeler: Connecting to localhost:8789 "
[13-Oct-2010 12:04:42] <tiredofme> should that be referencing the master hub?
[13-Oct-2010 12:04:42] <Parabola|Work> yeah
[13-Oct-2010 12:04:55] <Parabola|Work> are you modeling from the UI?
[13-Oct-2010 12:04:58] <tiredofme> yep
[13-Oct-2010 12:05:16] <rmatte> k, so I got the first part done, just need to figure out how to add a ') to the end of each of the lines now.
[13-Oct-2010 12:05:41] <Parabola|Work> rmatte, lets see what you've got
[13-Oct-2010 12:06:35] <tiredofme> thank you parabola, i'll try this out and see if it works
[13-Oct-2010 12:06:49] <Parabola|Work> np
[13-Oct-2010 12:06:53] <Parabola|Work> sorry i wasnt super informative 
[13-Oct-2010 12:06:54] <rmatte> >>> form = '$data1 + $data2 / $data3'
[13-Oct-2010 12:06:54] <rmatte> >>> form.replace("$","d.getRRDValue('")
[13-Oct-2010 12:06:55] <rmatte> "d.getRRDValue('data1 + d.getRRDValue('data2 / d.getRRDValue('data3"
[13-Oct-2010 12:07:00] <rmatte> that's what I have
[13-Oct-2010 12:07:08] <rmatte> I import string and use replace
[13-Oct-2010 12:07:12] <Parabola|Work> 
[13-Oct-2010 12:07:16] <rmatte> now I just need to put a closing ') on each of them
[13-Oct-2010 12:07:19] <rmatte> and then it's done
[13-Oct-2010 12:07:26] <Parabola|Work> hmm
[13-Oct-2010 12:07:29] <Parabola|Work> http://docs.python.org/library/string.html
[13-Oct-2010 12:07:35] <Parabola|Work> thats what im looking at
[13-Oct-2010 12:07:43] <rmatte> yeh, same here
[13-Oct-2010 12:07:53] <Parabola|Work> yeah again im worthless
[13-Oct-2010 12:07:57] <Parabola|Work> hehe
[13-Oct-2010 12:08:00] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 12:08:15] <rmatte> If Murarth were here he's be like "You obviously just do this this this and this"
[13-Oct-2010 12:08:16] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 12:08:24] <Parabola|Work> i dont know python ive only read a bit of it
[13-Oct-2010 12:08:28] * rmatte nods
[13-Oct-2010 12:08:36] <Parabola|Work> but i do know some C# and a littleb it of cpp
[13-Oct-2010 12:08:39] <rmatte> I know quite a bit, but I'm definitely not pro
[13-Oct-2010 12:08:41] <Parabola|Work> so its just like
[13-Oct-2010 12:08:45] <Parabola|Work> an easier version right?
[13-Oct-2010 12:08:47] <Parabola|Work> lol
[13-Oct-2010 12:08:56] <rmatte> python is closer to perl than anything
[13-Oct-2010 12:09:09] <straterra> Except perl doesn't suck 
[13-Oct-2010 12:09:15] <rmatte> 
[13-Oct-2010 12:09:28] <Parabola|Work> hmm
[13-Oct-2010 12:09:29] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,
[13-Oct-2010 12:09:34] <rmatte> perl is on an even playing field with python
[13-Oct-2010 12:09:36] <Parabola|Work> what if you used += ')'
[13-Oct-2010 12:09:43] <rmatte> you just can't teach old dogs new tricks
[13-Oct-2010 12:10:04] <straterra> I can read perl..every time I try to figure out what a python app is doing, I get frustrated
[13-Oct-2010 12:10:04] <rmatte> seasoned sysadmins are obviously going to prefer perl to python
[13-Oct-2010 12:10:09] <Parabola|Work> rmatte, !!
[13-Oct-2010 12:10:25] <straterra> Then again..I also prefer c/c++
[13-Oct-2010 12:10:32] <rmatte> straterra: I tear my hair out when I'm trying to read complex perl
[13-Oct-2010 12:10:40] <straterra> Really?
[13-Oct-2010 12:10:43] <rmatte> straterra: the code for OTRS for example
[13-Oct-2010 12:10:47] <rmatte> extremely difficult to read
[13-Oct-2010 12:10:50] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  yeah give "+= ')' " a shot
[13-Oct-2010 12:10:59] <Parabola|Work> that should work for you
[13-Oct-2010 12:11:04] <straterra> There is one great thing about perl..regex EVERYWHERE
[13-Oct-2010 12:11:20] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: where would I use that though?
[13-Oct-2010 12:11:46] <rmatte> straterra: it's quite simple to use regex in python
[13-Oct-2010 12:12:04] <Parabola|Work> "d.getRRDValue('data1 + d.getRRDValue('data2 / d.getRRDValue('data3 += ')' "
[13-Oct-2010 12:12:14] <rmatte> I have a hard time with regex, I can get by but I still haven't completely wrapped my head around it
[13-Oct-2010 12:12:27] <Parabola|Work> maybe!! in c# += would add the ) the value, however the backticks should make it read it as a string
[13-Oct-2010 12:12:55] <Parabola|Work> so put backticks around the ) and it should see it as a str
[13-Oct-2010 12:14:11] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: I need it after all 3 functions though, not just the last one
[13-Oct-2010 12:14:40] <Parabola|Work> oh
[13-Oct-2010 12:14:59] <Parabola|Work> so you want "('data2)
[13-Oct-2010 12:15:04] <rmatte> I mean, if I just wanted it at the end I'd just do: string + ")"
[13-Oct-2010 12:15:19] <Parabola|Work> yeah thats what i thought you wanted
[13-Oct-2010 12:15:23] <rmatte> I want ('data2')
[13-Oct-2010 12:15:25] <Parabola|Work> ah okay
[13-Oct-2010 12:16:14] <Parabola|Work> while im working on that, can you save me a bit of time, and inform me of a good way to have zenoss monitor a linux servers /var/log folder
[13-Oct-2010 12:16:21] <Parabola|Work> and be able to setup notifications based on specific events
[13-Oct-2010 12:16:31] <Parabola|Work> im googling for both right now
[13-Oct-2010 12:16:35] <straterra> What kind of events?
[13-Oct-2010 12:16:46] <rmatte> why not just use syslog?
[13-Oct-2010 12:16:50] <straterra> For stuff like that, I write my own nagios style plugin and use it
[13-Oct-2010 12:16:52] <Parabola|Work> in this case, failed HDD in /var/log/messages
[13-Oct-2010 12:17:04] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  ive got a buddy who knows python
[13-Oct-2010 12:17:08] <Parabola|Work> i'm asking him one sec
[13-Oct-2010 12:17:14] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: there is no quick and simple solution, you're looking at something custom either way
[13-Oct-2010 12:17:19] <rmatte> thanks
[13-Oct-2010 12:17:43] <rmatte> once I have this part of my script figured out the rest will be braindead simple
[13-Oct-2010 12:17:44] <straterra> So..If I had to do that, I'd write a little script (prolly perl :P) that tails /var/log/messages..and when it finds something, creates a file elsewhere with information. Then I'd have the nagios plugin check for that file and act accordingly
[13-Oct-2010 12:18:16] <straterra> http://search.cpan.org/~mgrabnar/File-Tail-0.99.3/Tail.pm is GREAT for doing that
[13-Oct-2010 12:18:17] <Parabola|Work> so if i write an expect script, to SSH in, tail the log and if a keyword shows up, do somthing
[13-Oct-2010 12:18:19] <Parabola|Work> that would work?
[13-Oct-2010 12:18:22] <rmatte> I'd just write it in bash, why bother with perl for that?
[13-Oct-2010 12:18:23] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 12:18:52] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: as long as it's correctly implemented, yes
[13-Oct-2010 12:19:16] <rmatte> you have to somehow make sure it doesn't miss any lines though
[13-Oct-2010 12:19:19] <straterra> I wouldn't have it log in and grep/parse
[13-Oct-2010 12:19:23] <straterra> I'd have a running app do the parsing
[13-Oct-2010 12:19:28] <Parabola|Work> hmm
[13-Oct-2010 12:19:34] <rmatte> yeh, more efficient that way
[13-Oct-2010 12:19:38] <straterra> otherwise, the check will take longer and longer as your log file gets bigger
[13-Oct-2010 12:19:47] <straterra> but if you use tail..it doesnt matter
[13-Oct-2010 12:20:20] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  hes working on your probelm now
[13-Oct-2010 12:20:26] <Parabola|Work> form.replace("$","d.getRRDValue('"))
[13-Oct-2010 12:20:30] <Parabola|Work> have you tried tokenizing the string into a list?
[13-Oct-2010 12:20:37] <rmatte> straterra: well, not really, you could just grab the line count by doing "cat filename | wc -l"
[13-Oct-2010 12:20:45] <rmatte> then calculate the difference since the last time it ran
[13-Oct-2010 12:20:49] <rmatte> and tail the difference
[13-Oct-2010 12:20:51] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  im going to try to get him to write it for you
[13-Oct-2010 12:20:55] <Parabola|Work> lol
[13-Oct-2010 12:20:56] <straterra> rmatte: And then open the whole file and go to the line number? 
[13-Oct-2010 12:21:07] <rmatte> straterra: no, that's what tail is for 
[13-Oct-2010 12:21:14] <rmatte> straterra: tail -100 file
[13-Oct-2010 12:21:15] <rmatte> or whatever
[13-Oct-2010 12:21:17] <Parabola|Work> tail -n
[13-Oct-2010 12:21:19] <Parabola|Work> but yeah
[13-Oct-2010 12:21:23] <straterra> eh, I suppose
[13-Oct-2010 12:21:25] <rmatte> you don't need -n
[13-Oct-2010 12:21:27] <Parabola|Work> really?
[13-Oct-2010 12:21:27] <rmatte> -100 works fine
[13-Oct-2010 12:21:28] <Parabola|Work> sweet
[13-Oct-2010 12:21:29] <straterra> i'd still rather have a running process
[13-Oct-2010 12:21:52] <straterra> But thats just me
[13-Oct-2010 12:21:53] <Parabola|Work> so "tail -100 /var/log/messages | grep blah
[13-Oct-2010 12:21:56] <straterra> 100 ways to skin a cat
[13-Oct-2010 12:22:17] <rmatte> straterra: a running process is fine, but if you have like 100 servers that you're going to be using it on, could get tedious setting up that process on all of them
[13-Oct-2010 12:22:27] <rmatte> I prever as much on the monitoring server itself as possible
[13-Oct-2010 12:22:31] <rmatte> prefer*
[13-Oct-2010 12:22:31] <Parabola|Work> yeah i dont know what all failed events i want to watch in the logs
[13-Oct-2010 12:22:34] <Parabola|Work> thats the problem
[13-Oct-2010 12:22:42] <Parabola|Work> I mean in this case this stupid VM says it has a bad HDD
[13-Oct-2010 12:22:49] <Parabola|Work> which im sure is because i P2Ved it
[13-Oct-2010 12:23:03] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: honestly, look in to setting up syslog on all of them
[13-Oct-2010 12:23:03] <straterra> ew
[13-Oct-2010 12:23:08] <rmatte> and have them syslog back to the zenoss server
[13-Oct-2010 12:23:25] <rmatte> It's basically the proper way to do what you're looking to do
[13-Oct-2010 12:23:35] <Parabola|Work> does zenoss accept syslogs
[13-Oct-2010 12:23:35] <Orv> Can I make Zenoss poll remote devices through an ssh tunnel?
[13-Oct-2010 12:23:40] <Parabola|Work> or would i need to set somthing else up
[13-Oct-2010 12:23:41] <rmatte> You'll have to do quite a bit of tuning on the zenoss end though
[13-Oct-2010 12:23:43] <Parabola|Work> like splunk
[13-Oct-2010 12:23:48] <Parabola|Work> :-\
[13-Oct-2010 12:23:55] <rmatte> Zenoss has a built in syslog server
[13-Oct-2010 12:24:01] <rmatte> you just send the events and it'll get them
[13-Oct-2010 12:24:05] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  can you explain what you're trying to do with the python
[13-Oct-2010 12:24:08] <Parabola|Work> He can write this for you
[13-Oct-2010 12:24:14] <Parabola|Work> I just dont really know how to explain what you're trying to do
[13-Oct-2010 12:24:34] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: I have a word that starts with a $, I want to remove the $ and encase it in a function
[13-Oct-2010 12:24:49] <rmatte> so basically I want $word to become blah('word')
[13-Oct-2010 12:25:14] <rmatte> and it needs to do it for any word starting with $
[13-Oct-2010 12:25:32] <Parabola|Work> alright
[13-Oct-2010 12:25:37] <straterra> ^\$(.*)$
[13-Oct-2010 12:25:37] <Parabola|Work> one sec on phone and talking to him 
[13-Oct-2010 12:25:40] <Parabola|Work> he will fix for you
[13-Oct-2010 12:25:40] <straterra> REGEX FTW!
[13-Oct-2010 12:26:07] <straterra> That regex will capture everything but the first $
[13-Oct-2010 12:26:33] <rmatte> straterra: I'm kind of looking for a one off solution for doing this that hits every word and actually does the replacement
[13-Oct-2010 12:26:43] <rmatte> there's probably a simpler way than using regex
[13-Oct-2010 12:27:04] <rmatte> I mean, I'm already half way there with a simple replace
[13-Oct-2010 12:27:10] <straterra> I need to sit down and learn extedended regex
[13-Oct-2010 12:27:22] <straterra> You're prolly right..my brain just thinks in regex whenever it can 
[13-Oct-2010 12:27:27] <rmatte> hehe
[13-Oct-2010 12:27:50] <straterra> http://xkcd.com/208/ <-- me
[13-Oct-2010 12:28:09] <rmatte> I'm not a big awk guy, I prefer cut and sed 
[13-Oct-2010 12:28:17] <straterra> cutter
[13-Oct-2010 12:28:51] <Parabola|Work> rmatte, : he needs to first, tokenize the string by each space, and put each token into a list, then he needs to loop through the list and find anything that starts with  $, remove the $ and then call blah(listOfTokens[x])
[13-Oct-2010 12:28:53] <rmatte> haha, that xkcd is too funny
[13-Oct-2010 12:29:31] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: ah, yeh, I suppose I could do it that way
[13-Oct-2010 12:31:48] <Parabola|Work> he says thats the way you should do it
[13-Oct-2010 12:32:24] <rmatte> k, I may actually just do something simpler, since even if I do it that way then I open the door for issues with spaces and stuff... I'll figure something out
[13-Oct-2010 12:32:37] <rmatte> thanks 
[13-Oct-2010 12:33:53] <Parabola|Work> :-\
[13-Oct-2010 12:34:09] <Parabola|Work> if i have syslogs sent to zenoss, where do i view thoes logs
[13-Oct-2010 12:34:14] <rmatte> I may just have the user put something like: $('data1') + $('data2') / $('data3')
[13-Oct-2010 12:34:29] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: they come in as events, just like any other event
[13-Oct-2010 12:34:46] <Parabola|Work> okay and you can bind it to a host?
[13-Oct-2010 12:34:50] <cgibbons> hurm
[13-Oct-2010 12:34:54] <rmatte> bind it?
[13-Oct-2010 12:34:57] <Parabola|Work> wrong term maybe
[13-Oct-2010 12:34:57] <cgibbons> any of y'all use R or know it?
[13-Oct-2010 12:35:03] <cgibbons> R, not Yaarrrr
[13-Oct-2010 12:35:03] <rmatte> R?
[13-Oct-2010 12:35:06] <rmatte> ruby?
[13-Oct-2010 12:35:13] <Parabola|Work> railgun?
[13-Oct-2010 12:35:15] <cgibbons> R, statistical languge
[13-Oct-2010 12:35:16] <Parabola|Work> yeah im good at quake
[13-Oct-2010 12:35:17] <Parabola|Work> oh
[13-Oct-2010 12:35:36] <rmatte> unfortunately not
[13-Oct-2010 12:36:00] <Parabola|Work> so doing this will spam the hell out of my events lol
[13-Oct-2010 12:36:13] <Parabola|Work> due to FTP that randomly gets hammered by people in russia
[13-Oct-2010 12:38:00] <Parabola|Work> I miss using splunk
[13-Oct-2010 12:38:03] <Parabola|Work> i should setup splunk
[13-Oct-2010 12:51:54] <rmatte> re.sub(r"\$(\w*)", r"d.getRRDValue('\1')", whatever)
[13-Oct-2010 12:51:56] <rmatte> oops
[13-Oct-2010 12:53:14] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[13-Oct-2010 12:54:11] <ericenns> credit?
[13-Oct-2010 12:55:19] <Parabola|Work> Hm
[13-Oct-2010 12:55:20] <Parabola|Work> interesting
[13-Oct-2010 12:55:39] <ericenns> that was done by me just so ya know
[13-Oct-2010 12:55:52] <rmatte> Yeh so ericenns came up with this: re.sub(r"\$(\w*)", r"d.getRRDValue('\1')", form)
[13-Oct-2010 12:55:55] <rmatte> and it works beautifully
[13-Oct-2010 12:56:19] <ericenns> thanks for the credit
[13-Oct-2010 12:56:26] <rmatte> 
[13-Oct-2010 12:56:49] <rmatte> alrighty, the rest will be simple now
[13-Oct-2010 13:00:09] <Parabola|Work> 
[13-Oct-2010 13:00:14] <Parabola|Work> no one likes my help
[13-Oct-2010 13:08:56] <Parabola|Work> im learning all kinds of neat things
[13-Oct-2010 13:09:01] <Parabola|Work> about mydns and ps
[13-Oct-2010 13:09:08] <Parabola|Work> ps is pretty handy
[13-Oct-2010 13:09:26] <Sam-I-Am> Parabola|Work: was looking at scrollback... you can have zenoss watch syslogs for stuff
[13-Oct-2010 13:09:56] <Parabola|Work> thanks 
[13-Oct-2010 13:09:58] <Parabola|Work>  **
[13-Oct-2010 13:13:58] <Orv> Where is it defined which port the zenoss web server listens on?
[13-Oct-2010 13:14:17] <Orv> looks like zope.conf...
[13-Oct-2010 13:14:20] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[13-Oct-2010 13:14:24] <Sam-I-Am> its a zope thing
[13-Oct-2010 13:15:34] <Orv> anyone running SSL on their zope?  I have a requirement to do that...
[13-Oct-2010 13:15:53] <Sam-I-Am> i use apache in front of zope for that
[13-Oct-2010 13:16:03] <Orv> Yeah, that's what I'm finding...
[13-Oct-2010 13:16:12] <Orv> Where do I find the howto on that?
[13-Oct-2010 13:16:28] <Sam-I-Am> i think its just mod proxy
[13-Oct-2010 13:16:57] <Orv> Ah - OK.
[13-Oct-2010 13:42:34] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[13-Oct-2010 13:50:47] <tiredofme> hi parabola, i got port 8090 open, still no luck
[13-Oct-2010 13:51:06] <Parabola|Work> Hmm
[13-Oct-2010 13:51:13] <tiredofme> i can see events from the windows boxes showing up
[13-Oct-2010 13:51:32] <tiredofme> the graphs continue to say "nan%"
[13-Oct-2010 13:52:20] <Parabola|Work> how long has it been modeled?
[13-Oct-2010 13:52:32] <tiredofme> 15-20 mins roughly
[13-Oct-2010 13:52:46] <twm1010> anyone here monitoring equallogic with Zenoss?
[13-Oct-2010 13:54:28] <tiredofme> i can see my graphs from the check_http nagios plugin, just nothing from wmi
[13-Oct-2010 13:56:12] <rmatte> tiredofme: give it another 10 mins or so
[13-Oct-2010 14:01:51] <rmatte> tiredofme: have you tested one of the datasources against a device?
[13-Oct-2010 14:02:09] <rmatte> If you go in to the template and go in to a datasource there's an option to run a test
[13-Oct-2010 14:02:16] <rmatte> you just put a device name in and click test
[13-Oct-2010 14:02:23] <tiredofme> yes, i'm able to get information returned
[13-Oct-2010 14:02:24] <rmatte> see if you're getting output or if it's just erroring
[13-Oct-2010 14:02:26] <rmatte> k
[13-Oct-2010 14:02:27] <tiredofme> and by using wmic
[13-Oct-2010 14:03:22] <wvcain> ls
[13-Oct-2010 14:03:40] <wvcain> (oops wrong window)
[13-Oct-2010 14:07:57] <Sam-I-Am> hmm... how come a network interface with status admin up / oper down shows up as "up" in zenoss, and gets monitored/graphed?
[13-Oct-2010 14:08:59] <Sam-I-Am> and something admindown/operdown is 'unknown'
[13-Oct-2010 14:09:22] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: the automatic enabling of monitoring is done via administrative status since if an interface is admin up it's safe to assume it should be monitored
[13-Oct-2010 14:09:41] <Sam-I-Am> shouldnt it show as 'down' though, but monitored?
[13-Oct-2010 14:09:46] <Sam-I-Am> since it has no link
[13-Oct-2010 14:09:55] <rmatte> What if one of your interfaces was operationally down when adding a device, you'd never notice that it wasn't being monitored after it came back up
[13-Oct-2010 14:10:08] <rmatte> oh, I see what you're saying
[13-Oct-2010 14:10:11] <Sam-I-Am> yeah...
[13-Oct-2010 14:10:26] <rmatte> docs/DOC-2494
[13-Oct-2010 14:10:49] <rmatte> for it to show as down there has to be an event in /Status/IpInterface with a component that matches the interface name
[13-Oct-2010 14:11:01] <rmatte> you need to create the /Status/IpInterface class if it doesn't exist
[13-Oct-2010 14:11:19] <rmatte> the document I just linked explains how to set it up for polling
[13-Oct-2010 14:11:26] <rmatte> you could do it for traps too, but it would be more involved
[13-Oct-2010 14:14:33] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: thx, i'll take a look at it
[13-Oct-2010 14:14:41] <rmatte> np
[13-Oct-2010 14:17:35] <rmatte> eugh, I got my datasource test working...
[13-Oct-2010 14:17:43] <rmatte> but it displays the following in a white window...
[13-Oct-2010 14:18:02] <rmatte> <tr><td>Executing command /home/zenoss/ZenPacks.community.FormulaDataSource/ZenPacks/community/FormulaDataSource/libexec/calc_formula.py --device='30.30.241.100' --datasource='TEST' --formula='%laLoadInt1 + %laLoadInt15 + %laLoadInt5' against lab01.novanoc.com</td></tr>
[13-Oct-2010 14:18:02] <rmatte> <tr><td></td></tr>
[13-Oct-2010 14:18:02] <rmatte> <tr><td>|TEST=115.74</td></tr>
[13-Oct-2010 14:18:02] <rmatte> <tr><td></td></tr>
[13-Oct-2010 14:18:02] <rmatte> <tr><td></td></tr>
[13-Oct-2010 14:18:02] <rmatte> <tr><td>DONE in 2 seconds</td></tr>
[13-Oct-2010 14:18:02] <rmatte> <tr><td>Executing command /home/zenoss/ZenPacks.community.FormulaDataSource/ZenPacks/community/FormulaDataSource/libexec/calc_formula.py --device='30.30.241.100' --datasource='TEST' --formula='%laLoadInt1 + %laLoadInt15 + %laLoadInt5' against lab01.novanoc.com</td></tr>
[13-Oct-2010 14:18:03] <rmatte> <tr><td></td></tr>
[13-Oct-2010 14:18:03] <rmatte> <tr><td>|TEST=115.74</td></tr>
[13-Oct-2010 14:18:04] <rmatte> <tr><td></td></tr>
[13-Oct-2010 14:18:04] <rmatte> <tr><td></td></tr>
[13-Oct-2010 14:18:05] <rmatte> <tr><td>DONE in 2 seconds</td></tr>
[13-Oct-2010 14:18:07] <rmatte> oops, sorry for double paste
[13-Oct-2010 14:18:33] <rmatte> so the test is working, but it's not displaying how I'd expect it to
[13-Oct-2010 14:22:41] <rmatte> hmmm, I think I might have figured out why
[13-Oct-2010 14:23:44] <rmatte> I hope I don't get this working in 2.5 to find out that it doesn't work in 3.0 lol
[13-Oct-2010 14:24:16] <rmatte> bingo, got it fixed
[13-Oct-2010 14:27:06] <rmatte> wot
[13-Oct-2010 14:27:08] <rmatte> woot*
[13-Oct-2010 14:27:14] <rmatte> now to try and break it 
[13-Oct-2010 14:47:34] mrayzenoss1 is now known as mray
[13-Oct-2010 14:48:08] <cgibbons> hum
[13-Oct-2010 14:52:41] <Sam-I-Am> hmm?
[13-Oct-2010 15:36:40] <rmatte> Almost done this pack, it's going to rock so much ass lol
[13-Oct-2010 15:42:16] <rmatte> hmmm, another thing to figure out, how to have the name of the datapoint automatically renamed when the datasource is renamed
[13-Oct-2010 15:42:21] <klinstifen> afternoon all
[13-Oct-2010 15:42:37] <klinstifen> anyone ever have issue where zenoss stops listening on 8080
[13-Oct-2010 15:43:03] <rmatte> klinstifen: that used to happen occasionally for me before Zenoss 2.5
[13-Oct-2010 15:43:33] <klinstifen> seems to be happening now for me on 3.0.2
[13-Oct-2010 15:55:42] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: whats your pack do?
[13-Oct-2010 15:56:21] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: It's a new datasource type called FORMULA
[13-Oct-2010 15:56:50] <rmatte> Basically, you create a FORMULA type datasource, and in the datasource properties you can specify a formula
[13-Oct-2010 15:56:55] <rmatte> which would be something like
[13-Oct-2010 15:57:09] <rmatte> $datapoint1 + $datapoint2 / $datapoint3
[13-Oct-2010 15:57:19] <rmatte> and then that datapoint becomes the result of that every polling cycle
[13-Oct-2010 15:57:35] <Sam-I-Am> can they come from different devices?
[13-Oct-2010 15:57:35] <rmatte> Only having RPN available when graphing is too limited
[13-Oct-2010 15:57:39] <rmatte> no
[13-Oct-2010 15:57:43] <rmatte> it's limited to the same device
[13-Oct-2010 15:58:00] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, rpn is meh
[13-Oct-2010 15:58:16] <rmatte> RPN is fine for graphing, but it's useless for things like thresholds
[13-Oct-2010 15:58:28] <rmatte> I prefer to threshold against memory utilization rather than available memory
[13-Oct-2010 15:58:39] <rmatte> but if a device only provides available memory and total I'm screwed right now
[13-Oct-2010 15:58:53] <rmatte> with this new datasource type I'll be able to make my own utilization datasource
[13-Oct-2010 15:59:18] <rmatte> that's just one of many possible applications
[13-Oct-2010 15:59:33] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[13-Oct-2010 15:59:38] <Sam-I-Am> sounds cool
[13-Oct-2010 16:00:05] <Sam-I-Am> i have some ideas for zenpacks, but i'm not much of a coder
[13-Oct-2010 16:00:13] <Sam-I-Am> although some of these things might already exist somewhere
[13-Oct-2010 16:00:57] <Sam-I-Am> does anyone know what zenoss does if it loses connectivity with a collector?
[13-Oct-2010 16:03:38] <Sam-I-Am> kinda wondering if it'll behave or set everything on that collector as down
[13-Oct-2010 16:03:57] <rmatte> no ideas, I've never tested that
[13-Oct-2010 16:04:05] <rmatte> I'd imagine you won't get alerts for the devices
[13-Oct-2010 16:04:16] <rmatte> since the events are actually generated in the daemons and then sent to zenhub
[13-Oct-2010 16:06:25] <Sam-I-Am> ahh, that makes sense
[13-Oct-2010 16:07:40] <Sam-I-Am> also be nice if autodiscovery could place devices into the correct groups or systems based on something or other
[13-Oct-2010 16:09:33] <Sam-I-Am> i'll have about 500 devices to add to this new install, so if it could automatically place the devices by hostname or IP... awesome.
[13-Oct-2010 16:13:12] <bigegor> Sam-I-Am: look at this: docs/DOC-8508
[13-Oct-2010 16:15:36] <Sam-I-Am> bigegor: oooh, that looks nice
[13-Oct-2010 16:40:58] <rmatte> I'm out, later olks
[13-Oct-2010 16:41:00] <rmatte> folks*
[13-Oct-2010 16:42:39] <xuru> damn, missed him
[13-Oct-2010 16:42:48] <xuru> talk about bad timing hehe
[13-Oct-2010 16:44:21] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[13-Oct-2010 16:44:32] <Sam-I-Am> anyone here familiar with event mappings/transforms in 3.x?
[13-Oct-2010 16:44:45] <Sam-I-Am> cant seem to get the one described for interface status polling working
[13-Oct-2010 16:46:04] <Sam-I-Am> at least its not changing the event summary
[13-Oct-2010 18:15:11] <cgibbons> "math is hard!"
[13-Oct-2010 18:33:05] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: transforms are the same between 2.5 and 3.0
[13-Oct-2010 18:33:11] <rmatte> if it's not working double check the code
[13-Oct-2010 18:33:18] <rmatte> make sure you didn't paste it wrong or something
[13-Oct-2010 18:35:59] <rmatte> man, how the hell can people do template development with 3.0?
[13-Oct-2010 18:36:12] <rmatte> I've been working with it for 5 minutes and I'm already ready to tear my hair out
[13-Oct-2010 18:36:38] <rmatte> I'm just trying to create a template at the /Devices level, but when I go to do it, and click on the dropdown to select the template path the loading icon just spins and spins
[13-Oct-2010 18:36:44] <rmatte> until I eventually get a Server Exception
[13-Oct-2010 19:22:53] <rmatte> woohoo, the pack is finally done, works in both 2.5 and 3.0.  I'm just testing some graphing.
[13-Oct-2010 19:23:41] <aclark> w00t
[13-Oct-2010 19:31:08] Parabola is now known as tanknspank
[13-Oct-2010 19:31:13] tanknspank is now known as Parabola
[13-Oct-2010 19:31:22] Parabola is now known as robyr
[13-Oct-2010 19:31:48] robyr is now known as Parabola
[13-Oct-2010 19:34:34] <rmatte> mhmmm, I go to edit a graph point and the save button remains deactivated
[13-Oct-2010 19:36:37] <rmatte> nice, so I can't edit graphpoints and I can't create templates
[13-Oct-2010 19:41:59] <rmatte> well, there's a bug for me to file tomorrow
[13-Oct-2010 19:41:59] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 19:42:18] <rmatte> oh, I see what the problem is
[13-Oct-2010 19:42:32] <rmatte> the name field isn't being auto-populated with the name of the graphpoint
[13-Oct-2010 19:52:56] <imeyer> yah that reminds me to file a bug against the max/min Y fields not accepting float values
[13-Oct-2010 19:53:20] <rmatte> yeh, there are so many little bugs, especially to do with template editing
[13-Oct-2010 19:53:40] <rmatte> since it's not a commonly accessed part of the UI
[13-Oct-2010 20:05:34] <rmatte> Well, I have 3 ZenPacks to submit tomorrow
[13-Oct-2010 20:52:52] <Orv> rmatte: Which ones?
[13-Oct-2010 20:53:47] <rmatte> ZenPacks.Nova.UCDFileSystemMap, ZenPacks.Nova.Cisco.Mibs (Update), ZenPacks.community.FormulaDataSource
[13-Oct-2010 20:55:00] <rmatte> I already have my Catalyst (CatOS) ZenPack submitted too
[13-Oct-2010 20:57:54] <Orv> Cool. Congrats
[13-Oct-2010 20:58:09] <rmatte> thanks
[13-Oct-2010 20:58:19] <rmatte> the FormulaDataSource pack is the best one
[13-Oct-2010 20:58:35] <Orv> I'll have to check it out :-)
[13-Oct-2010 20:58:47] <Orv> What's the "Nova" for?  I'm not familiar with that.
[13-Oct-2010 20:59:02] <rmatte> It's the company I work for
[13-Oct-2010 20:59:04] <rmatte> Nova Networks
[13-Oct-2010 20:59:07] <Orv> Ah - OK.
[13-Oct-2010 20:59:24] <rmatte> I put that for anything that I code purely at work
[13-Oct-2010 20:59:35] <rmatte> the FormulaDataSource pack was coded mostly on my own time
[13-Oct-2010 20:59:39] <rmatte> so I used the community tag
[13-Oct-2010 20:59:48] <Orv> What will it provide?
[13-Oct-2010 21:00:03] <rmatte> It provides a new datasource type called FORMULA
[13-Oct-2010 21:00:09] <rmatte> what you can do with that is...
[13-Oct-2010 21:00:28] <rmatte> you create a FORMULA datasource, and you can specify a "Data Formula"
[13-Oct-2010 21:00:44] <rmatte> you can specify integers and datasources
[13-Oct-2010 21:01:07] <rmatte> so if I had 2 datasources that I wanted to add together, I'd set the formula to $datasource1 + $datasource2
[13-Oct-2010 21:01:10] <Orv> So, a means to do math on information Zenoss retrieves?
[13-Oct-2010 21:01:14] <Orv> I see.
[13-Oct-2010 21:01:16] <rmatte> and the forumula datapoint becomes the result of those 2
[13-Oct-2010 21:01:30] <Orv> Very nice.  I can see where that would be useful.
[13-Oct-2010 21:01:38] <rmatte> I mean, you can already use RPN for graphing, but it's useless for things like thresholds
[13-Oct-2010 21:01:42] <Orv> Did you have a specific itch you need to scratch with that?
[13-Oct-2010 21:01:45] <rmatte> it's a feature that I've wanted for ages
[13-Oct-2010 21:01:51] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Oct-2010 21:01:53] <rmatte> I do
[13-Oct-2010 21:02:07] <rmatte> some devices only provide total memory and available/free memory via WMI
[13-Oct-2010 21:02:35] <rmatte> graphing and threshold against memory utilization is a lot easier/cleaner than doing it against free memory
[13-Oct-2010 21:02:40] <rmatte> so that was my inspiration for it
[13-Oct-2010 21:02:47] <rmatte> but it has infinite applications
[13-Oct-2010 21:03:00] <Orv> Cool.  How many hours do you think you put in on it? (the pack)
[13-Oct-2010 21:03:01] <rmatte> sorry, not via WMI, via SNMP
[13-Oct-2010 21:03:03] <rmatte> I meant to say
[13-Oct-2010 21:03:08] <rmatte> about 10 hours total
[13-Oct-2010 21:03:09] <Orv> I knew what you meant :-)
[13-Oct-2010 21:03:15] <rmatte> It's my first time writing a datasource
[13-Oct-2010 21:03:20] <rmatte> so it was an experience
[13-Oct-2010 21:03:24] <rmatte> ericenns helped a ton
[13-Oct-2010 21:03:40] <rmatte> he provided me with a copy of his VMwareDataSource pack for reference
[13-Oct-2010 21:03:41] <Orv> Excellent.
[13-Oct-2010 21:03:44] <rmatte> and I worked off of that
[13-Oct-2010 21:04:00] <rmatte> I gave him feedback on fixing his pack to work with Zenoss 2.5
[13-Oct-2010 21:04:05] <rmatte> so it worked out both ways hehe
[13-Oct-2010 21:04:18] <rmatte> I made sure the pack works with both 2.5 and 3.0
[13-Oct-2010 21:05:27] <Orv> Very tidy :-)
[13-Oct-2010 21:06:09] <rmatte> yeh well, it scores extra points in the contest that way, and it's of benefit to me since I'm currently using 2.5 in production but plan to upgrade to 3.0 eventually
[13-Oct-2010 21:06:31] <Orv> Cool.
[13-Oct-2010 21:06:32] <Orv> brb
[13-Oct-2010 21:06:47] <rmatte> k
[13-Oct-2010 21:10:27] <Orv> back - wife wanted to show me something on TV :-)
[13-Oct-2010 21:10:42] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 21:11:14] <Orv> (Took the day off)
[13-Oct-2010 21:11:26] <Orv> Got a tour of a place I might go work for next year.
[13-Oct-2010 21:11:32] <rmatte> cool
[13-Oct-2010 21:11:44] <Orv> Yeah, well, current job ends at the end of this year :-/
[13-Oct-2010 21:11:51] <Orv> So, hoping for continued employment.
[13-Oct-2010 21:12:12] <rmatte> ah
[13-Oct-2010 21:12:14] <rmatte> contract?
[13-Oct-2010 21:12:28] <Orv> Nope - tossed to the curb  :-(
[13-Oct-2010 21:12:37] <rmatte> ah, lame
[13-Oct-2010 21:12:41] <Orv> weird story.
[13-Oct-2010 21:12:43] <Orv> Yeah.
[13-Oct-2010 21:12:51] <rmatte> guess we won't be seeing you around here much then unless the new job involves zenoss lol
[13-Oct-2010 21:13:00] <Orv> Well, it might -
[13-Oct-2010 21:13:30] <Orv> They have a whole 'monitoring' group that has spend 100s of thousands of dollars on monitoring, and all the screens are still dark, 18 months later :-/
[13-Oct-2010 21:13:41] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 21:13:45] <Orv> The linux sysadmins are ready to rebel and put in their own monitoring, just in self-defense.
[13-Oct-2010 21:13:55] <rmatte> I could fix that with Zenoss in like a week at this point
[13-Oct-2010 21:13:56] <Orv> Senior guy wants Nagios, but I might demo Zenoss for him.
[13-Oct-2010 21:14:07] <Orv> rmatte: Yeah - I think it would take me a month :-D
[13-Oct-2010 21:14:10] <Orv> But, still.
[13-Oct-2010 21:14:20] <rmatte> Nagios would take you a year lol
[13-Oct-2010 21:14:35] <rmatte> It's too complex
[13-Oct-2010 21:14:47] <Orv> I'm familiar with Nagios and yeah, it's got lots of nooks & crannies, that's for sure.
[13-Oct-2010 21:14:56] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Oct-2010 21:15:24] <rmatte> I looked at groundworks/nagios and wanted to shoot myself pretty quickly
[13-Oct-2010 21:16:08] <Orv> :-)
[13-Oct-2010 21:16:24] <Orv> Well, when I started using it about 5 years ago, it was pretty much the best game in town.
[13-Oct-2010 21:16:39] <Orv> Things have changed, though.
[13-Oct-2010 21:16:50] <rmatte> Zenoss has been the best game in town for well over a year in my opinion
[13-Oct-2010 21:17:09] <rmatte> I started using Zenoss at version 2.3.2 and loved it
[13-Oct-2010 21:17:30] <rmatte> actually, that would have been almost 2 years ago
[13-Oct-2010 21:17:35] <Orv> Yeah.  When I looked at it about 3 years ago, I couldn't even get it installed.  I might not have worked at it a lot, but I had Nagios running at that time, and didn't pursue it any more.
[13-Oct-2010 21:17:46] <rmatte> ah
[13-Oct-2010 21:17:51] <rmatte> yeh, it's come a long way
[13-Oct-2010 21:25:26] <willwh> I have to agree
[13-Oct-2010 21:25:35] <willwh> running a little bit of an aged install at work (2.5.0)
[13-Oct-2010 21:25:40] <willwh> but it is reaking awesome 
[13-Oct-2010 21:25:43] <willwh> freaking*
[13-Oct-2010 21:25:51] <rmatte> you should upgrade to 2.5.2, 2.5.0 was a POS
[13-Oct-2010 21:26:01] <rmatte> MAJOR bugs in it
[13-Oct-2010 21:26:03] <willwh> rmatte: I know... but I'm running a jumpbox deploy..
[13-Oct-2010 21:26:12] <willwh> which was installed via deb
[13-Oct-2010 21:26:22] <willwh> so I am confident on being able to upgrade it
[13-Oct-2010 21:26:23] <rmatte> so, just upgrade it lol
[13-Oct-2010 21:26:36] <willwh> just grab the bin and go?
[13-Oct-2010 21:26:42] <willwh> I guess I should give it shot
[13-Oct-2010 21:26:57] <willwh> the only little issue I am going to have moving forward is no free snmp informant for win2k8
[13-Oct-2010 21:27:02] <willwh> and their licensing is just insane
[13-Oct-2010 21:27:10] <willwh> I guess maybe have to use WMI
[13-Oct-2010 21:27:18] <rmatte> why do you need snmp informant?
[13-Oct-2010 21:27:32] <willwh> I guess don't really, just some extra useful info
[13-Oct-2010 21:27:52] <rmatte> I made ZenPacks to provide cpu/memory info from standard snmp
[13-Oct-2010 21:28:05] <rmatte> and everything else works fine
[13-Oct-2010 21:28:31] <rmatte> Egor's WMI packs work well too
[13-Oct-2010 21:28:38] <rmatte> we're phasing in to using those for the majority of our clients
[13-Oct-2010 21:29:31] <rmatte> but I'm monitoring tons of windows servers with just plainw indows snmp
[13-Oct-2010 21:29:45] <rmatte> works great
[13-Oct-2010 21:32:46] <rmatte> willwh: you installed it with the .deb?
[13-Oct-2010 21:34:39] <rmatte> If so, just grab the 2.5.2 .deb and install it
[13-Oct-2010 21:35:08] <rmatte> though the .deb is just the stack installer wrapped up, so you can technically use the .bin too
[13-Oct-2010 21:35:17] <willwh> oh, nono
[13-Oct-2010 21:35:18] <rmatte> but you might as well just use the deb if that's what you did before
[13-Oct-2010 21:35:24] <willwh> jumpbox is a vm deploy effectively
[13-Oct-2010 21:35:29] <rmatte> oh
[13-Oct-2010 21:35:30] <willwh> they have their *own* dev
[13-Oct-2010 21:35:32] <willwh> deb*
[13-Oct-2010 21:35:50] <rmatte> you mean you guys built your own?
[13-Oct-2010 21:35:57] <rmatte> or are you talking about the virtual appliance?
[13-Oct-2010 21:36:00] <willwh> jumpbox did..
[13-Oct-2010 21:36:05] <rmatte> ah
[13-Oct-2010 21:36:07] <willwh> built their own deb I mean
[13-Oct-2010 21:36:13] <rmatte> I see
[13-Oct-2010 21:36:18] <willwh> yeah
[13-Oct-2010 21:36:21] <rmatte> and they don't have any more recent ones?
[13-Oct-2010 21:36:29] <willwh> they have a 2.5.2 now
[13-Oct-2010 21:36:31] <rmatte> is zenoss in /usr/local/zenoss on there?
[13-Oct-2010 21:36:35] <willwh> but I don't think you can upgrade using their debs
[13-Oct-2010 21:36:42] <willwh> hmm, I don't have logins handy here....
[13-Oct-2010 21:36:43] <rmatte> ok, then grab the 2.5.2 and upgrade
[13-Oct-2010 21:36:53] <rmatte> trust me, 2.5.0 was garbage
[13-Oct-2010 21:37:10] <rmatte> I'll even pass you some patch numbers that you can apply after the install
[13-Oct-2010 21:37:12] <willwh> I can't use aptitude to upgrade with their debs
[13-Oct-2010 21:37:14] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: what do you think of 2.4?
[13-Oct-2010 21:37:22] <rmatte> just use dpkg -i
[13-Oct-2010 21:37:28] <rmatte> dpkg -i <whatever.deb>
[13-Oct-2010 21:37:31] <willwh> ah
[13-Oct-2010 21:37:33] <willwh> hmm
[13-Oct-2010 21:37:40] <willwh> k
[13-Oct-2010 21:38:09] <rmatte> hold on, I'll get you some patch numbers, save these somewhere...
[13-Oct-2010 21:38:35] <rmatte> if my workstation at work responds lol
[13-Oct-2010 21:38:44] <rmatte> waiting for ssh
[13-Oct-2010 21:38:55] <Sam-I-Am> computers are overrated heh
[13-Oct-2010 21:39:02] <rmatte> of course vpn had to reset 1 second ago
[13-Oct-2010 21:39:22] <rmatte> trying again...
[13-Oct-2010 21:39:23] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 21:39:39] <rmatte> bah
[13-Oct-2010 21:39:42] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: i got the fun task of "r&d" on 3.x so my org can upgrade from 2.4
[13-Oct-2010 21:39:58] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 21:40:12] <rmatte> honestly, upgrade to 2.5.2, don't touch 3.0 yet
[13-Oct-2010 21:40:24] <Sam-I-Am> zenoss is a bit interesting in a mostly-networking environment
[13-Oct-2010 21:40:35] <rmatte> I'll give you the patches you need to make 2.5.2 very stable and quick
[13-Oct-2010 21:41:01] <Sam-I-Am> is 3 not stable yet?
[13-Oct-2010 21:41:05] <rmatte> by the way, there was a memory leak in rrdtool in 2.4 which isn't present in 2.5
[13-Oct-2010 21:41:22] <rmatte> upgrading to 2.5 will make your instance infinitely more stable
[13-Oct-2010 21:41:56] <rmatte> grrrrrr, I hate vpnc for linux
[13-Oct-2010 21:41:58] <rmatte> POS
[13-Oct-2010 21:42:02] <rmatte> keeps resetting the tunnel
[13-Oct-2010 21:42:07] <Sam-I-Am> i wonder if someone will backport the coming patches for 3 to allow use of rrdcached
[13-Oct-2010 21:42:29] <rmatte> it's the actual tool itself
[13-Oct-2010 21:42:48] <rmatte> it has nothing to do with zenoss code
[13-Oct-2010 21:43:01] <Sam-I-Am> oh, renderserver doesnt have to understand it?
[13-Oct-2010 21:43:15] <Sam-I-Am> and maybe snmpperfd
[13-Oct-2010 21:43:32] <rmatte> the memory leak is actually in rrdtool itself in the version that was included with 2.4
[13-Oct-2010 21:43:40] <rmatte> it'll just continuously eat memory
[13-Oct-2010 21:43:47] <rmatte> I hated 2.4 for that
[13-Oct-2010 21:43:52] <rmatte> anyways...
[13-Oct-2010 21:43:59] <rmatte> upgrade to 2.5.2 and apply the following patches
[13-Oct-2010 21:44:06] <rmatte> Fix zeodb churn: zenpatch 18589 && zenpatch 18908 && zenpatch 18890 && zenpatch 18941
[13-Oct-2010 21:44:06] <rmatte> Fix sawtooth zenprocess graph: zenpatch 19577
[13-Oct-2010 21:44:30] <rmatte> you need to upgrade to 2.5.x as part of the upgrade process anything
[13-Oct-2010 21:44:32] <rmatte> anyways*
[13-Oct-2010 21:44:43] <rmatte> I've been running 2.5.2 in production with those patches for a long time now
[13-Oct-2010 21:44:52] <rmatte> it runs beautifully
[13-Oct-2010 21:44:58] <rmatte> certainly much better than 2.4.x did
[13-Oct-2010 21:45:29] <Sam-I-Am> i think the folks at work planned to do a clean install of 3 since theres a just of junk in 2.4... but i'll bring up 2.5.2
[13-Oct-2010 21:45:36] <rmatte> I used to have to restart my 2.4.x instances almost weekly
[13-Oct-2010 21:45:38] <Sam-I-Am> funny thing is i'm the network engineer 
[13-Oct-2010 21:45:49] <Sam-I-Am> 2.4 has been stable... just slow at times.
[13-Oct-2010 21:45:54] <rmatte> I had 2.5.2 running for over 3 months without a restart on 14 different servers
[13-Oct-2010 21:46:07] <rmatte> it's infinitely morestable
[13-Oct-2010 21:46:12] <rmatte> more stable*
[13-Oct-2010 21:46:28] <Sam-I-Am> how many devices are you monitoring?
[13-Oct-2010 21:46:31] <rmatte> and it's a lot quicker
[13-Oct-2010 21:46:39] <rmatte> 400+ on 1 server
[13-Oct-2010 21:46:46] <rmatte> 100+ on the rest
[13-Oct-2010 21:47:17] <rmatte> basically almost 2k devices
[13-Oct-2010 21:47:33] <rmatte> routers, witches, servers
[13-Oct-2010 21:47:37] <Sam-I-Am> i'll probably have about 500 devices, 470 or so are network devices
[13-Oct-2010 21:47:38] <rmatte> switches rather
[13-Oct-2010 21:47:48] <rmatte> but that's on one instance
[13-Oct-2010 21:48:11] <rmatte> on my 400+ instance the upgrade from 2.4 to 2.5 was amazingl
[13-Oct-2010 21:48:20] <rmatte> performance increased by a huge amount
[13-Oct-2010 21:48:40] <Sam-I-Am> do your instances run on vms or bare hardware?
[13-Oct-2010 21:48:45] <rmatte> especially with those patches
[13-Oct-2010 21:48:50] <rmatte> vms
[13-Oct-2010 21:48:54] <rmatte> across 3 blades
[13-Oct-2010 21:49:06] <rmatte> linked to 2 SANS
[13-Oct-2010 21:49:12] <rmatte> most are running on the 1
[13-Oct-2010 21:49:17] <rmatte> the second SAN is brand new
[13-Oct-2010 21:49:44] <rmatte> afk for a few
[13-Oct-2010 21:49:46] <Sam-I-Am> high end stuff?
[13-Oct-2010 21:51:13] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Oct-2010 21:51:28] <rmatte> we're talking like 20GHz per blade with 32 to 64GB of RAM
[13-Oct-2010 21:51:52] <rmatte> we're running about 30+ VMs across all of them now, 17 of which are Zenoss VMs
[13-Oct-2010 21:51:58] <rmatte> 15 are prod, 2 are lab
[13-Oct-2010 21:52:04] <Sam-I-Am> ha, wow... i dont have the money for that.
[13-Oct-2010 21:52:06] <rmatte> I also have another lab running on a pizza box
[13-Oct-2010 21:52:16] <rmatte> hehe
[13-Oct-2010 21:52:37] <imeyer> i hope there's no pizza in it
[13-Oct-2010 21:52:42] <rmatte> either way, upgrade to 2.5.2 with those patches, you won't be sorry you did
[13-Oct-2010 21:52:52] <Sam-I-Am> my org focuses on network stuff... so its often hard to justify systems since they dont bring in much money to cover them
[13-Oct-2010 21:52:53] <rmatte> sometimes, but the server monsters eat it
[13-Oct-2010 21:53:04] <rmatte> understandable
[13-Oct-2010 21:53:05] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: you got a page listing those patches?
[13-Oct-2010 21:53:16] <rmatte> I haven't made a page
[13-Oct-2010 21:53:26] <rmatte> please just save them as a txt file and email them to yourself or something
[13-Oct-2010 21:53:30] <rmatte> I'll make a page tomorrow
[13-Oct-2010 21:53:31] <Sam-I-Am> sure
[13-Oct-2010 21:53:47] <rmatte> I made a page for 2.4.5 with a whole wackload of patches
[13-Oct-2010 21:53:50] <Sam-I-Am> i'll run the idea by the powers that be at the next meeting
[13-Oct-2010 21:53:50] <rmatte> hehe
[13-Oct-2010 21:53:57] <rmatte> cool
[13-Oct-2010 21:54:07] <rmatte> I seriously suggest waiting on upgrading to 3.x
[13-Oct-2010 21:54:16] <rmatte> the backend works fine but the interface is still rough
[13-Oct-2010 21:54:23] <Sam-I-Am> this isnt planned for rollout until january i think...
[13-Oct-2010 21:54:24] <rmatte> especially to do with managing templates
[13-Oct-2010 21:54:28] <rmatte> very paintful
[13-Oct-2010 21:54:30] <rmatte> painful*
[13-Oct-2010 21:54:33] <Sam-I-Am> i noticed some iffy stuff with the interface on 3
[13-Oct-2010 21:54:42] <rmatte> yeh, it's bad
[13-Oct-2010 21:54:50] <Sam-I-Am> not to mention in one of my browsers, some of it shows up in french
[13-Oct-2010 21:54:53] <rmatte> 2.5.2 with those patches and you'll be gold for now
[13-Oct-2010 21:55:03] <rmatte> haha, that's funny
[13-Oct-2010 21:55:06] <rmatte> never heard of that
[13-Oct-2010 21:55:20] <rmatte> I speak french so wouldn't be a big deal for me 
[13-Oct-2010 21:55:43] <Sam-I-Am> it was a bit confusing at first... kinda like wtf
[13-Oct-2010 21:55:49] <rmatte> haha
[13-Oct-2010 21:56:04] <rmatte> alright, I'm going for a smoke, bbiab
[13-Oct-2010 21:56:08] <Sam-I-Am> enjoy
[13-Oct-2010 22:03:37] <rmatte> back
[13-Oct-2010 22:03:44] <willwh> 
[13-Oct-2010 22:03:52] <willwh> yummy nicotine, haha
[13-Oct-2010 22:04:06] <willwh> rmatte: you in Canada?
[13-Oct-2010 22:04:08] <willwh> or the US?
[13-Oct-2010 22:04:19] <rmatte> Canada
[13-Oct-2010 22:04:31] <willwh> 
[13-Oct-2010 22:04:32] <willwh> me too
[13-Oct-2010 22:04:33] <rmatte> I don't smoke much, I limit myself to like 10 a week or less
[13-Oct-2010 22:04:33] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 22:04:37] <willwh> yar
[13-Oct-2010 22:04:38] <rmatte> whereabouts?
[13-Oct-2010 22:04:44] <willwh> after food is good
[13-Oct-2010 22:04:51] <willwh> Victoria, BC
[13-Oct-2010 22:04:56] <rmatte> I'm in Ottawa
[13-Oct-2010 22:04:57] <aclark> ooo smoking :-)
[13-Oct-2010 22:04:59] * aclark quit
[13-Oct-2010 22:05:07] <imeyer> quitters never win and winners never quit
[13-Oct-2010 22:05:10] <imeyer> 
[13-Oct-2010 22:05:11] <rmatte> hehe
[13-Oct-2010 22:05:24] <Sam-I-Am> <- kansas in the land down south
[13-Oct-2010 22:05:38] <imeyer> that said, smoking for 19 years is gross.
[13-Oct-2010 22:05:41] <aclark> for about a year after, i had one once a month. none for past few years
[13-Oct-2010 22:05:51] <rmatte> one of the guys in here said he might be in Ottawa for BSD Can (I forget who, too many faces)
[13-Oct-2010 22:06:00] <aclark> <- MD, USA (since we're discussing loc)
[13-Oct-2010 22:06:13] <willwh> excuse my ignorace, MD?
[13-Oct-2010 22:06:17] <imeyer> maryland
[13-Oct-2010 22:06:20] <rmatte> Maryland
[13-Oct-2010 22:06:25] * imeyer NYC
[13-Oct-2010 22:06:25] <willwh> and spelling 
[13-Oct-2010 22:06:28] <rmatte> Annapolis?
[13-Oct-2010 22:06:31] <aclark> yeah, near Washington, DC actually
[13-Oct-2010 22:06:44] <Sam-I-Am> its all one big metro area down there
[13-Oct-2010 22:06:46] <willwh> I'm from Scotland, been here 3 years now
[13-Oct-2010 22:06:52] <willwh> so my NA geo is getting better
[13-Oct-2010 22:07:05] <aclark> rmatte: no that's about 1/2 hour, 45 minutes away
[13-Oct-2010 22:07:28] <rmatte> ah
[13-Oct-2010 22:07:51] <aclark> rmatte: balt, wash, annap are all about that dist from each other (i'm orig from balto)
[13-Oct-2010 22:07:51] <rmatte> not too far
[13-Oct-2010 22:07:58] <aclark> right
[13-Oct-2010 22:07:59] <rmatte> cool
[13-Oct-2010 22:08:07] <rmatte> you could get a job at zenoss 
[13-Oct-2010 22:08:17] <aclark> i could, but then i'd have to leave the house ;-)
[13-Oct-2010 22:08:27] <aclark> i've been there a couple times
[13-Oct-2010 22:08:41] <rmatte> hehe
[13-Oct-2010 22:08:42] <imeyer> leaving the house is overrated
[13-Oct-2010 22:09:03] <aclark> well, once for a Python meetup…
[13-Oct-2010 22:09:05] <rmatte> I'd like to get a job with them but it would have to be remote and pay more than I'm making (which wouldn't be hard)
[13-Oct-2010 22:09:08] <Sam-I-Am> unless it involves a coffee shop
[13-Oct-2010 22:09:43] <rmatte> I quit drinking coffee, got sick of feeling like ass in the morning before having a cup
[13-Oct-2010 22:09:50] <rmatte> orange juice works fine for me
[13-Oct-2010 22:10:00] <aclark> rmatte: that's my dilemma, i interviewed once for something, they don't have a gig that' realistic for me to take (but they're über cool about helping folks get zenoss gigs)
[13-Oct-2010 22:10:36] <rmatte> aclark: yeh, they had a potential job opening that I was interested in, but it's on hold now apparently
[13-Oct-2010 22:10:41] <rmatte> which is fine
[13-Oct-2010 22:10:59] <Sam-I-Am> you guys mostly coders or sysadmins?
[13-Oct-2010 22:11:14] <rmatte> I do both
[13-Oct-2010 22:11:24] <willwh> sysadmin mostly
[13-Oct-2010 22:11:24] <rmatte> my official title is sysadmin but I do a lot of coding
[13-Oct-2010 22:11:48] <rmatte> mostly bash, perl, and python
[13-Oct-2010 22:11:49] <willwh> I do bits of .net, and a bunch of sql bits and pieces
[13-Oct-2010 22:12:06] <rmatte> I'm not that great at perl, I'm godly at bash, and my python is getting better and better
[13-Oct-2010 22:13:16] * Sam-I-Am is the odd one out
[13-Oct-2010 22:13:37] <aclark> I do "Python consulting" http://aclark.net, largely based on 5 years of Plone work
[13-Oct-2010 22:13:52] <Sam-I-Am> however, i was a sysadmin w/ associated scripting stuff for about 10 years
[13-Oct-2010 22:14:05] <rmatte> cool
[13-Oct-2010 22:14:07] * aclark has admin bg
[13-Oct-2010 22:14:23] <aclark> rmatte: yeah Python is so much fun it's ridiculous
[13-Oct-2010 22:14:46] <Sam-I-Am> i need to learn python to really customize zenoss for my org, but IANAC at the current job... so... who knows where its going.
[13-Oct-2010 22:15:08] <rmatte> I've only been in IT for like 6 years now, first year was helpdesk, second was network analyst, third was "LAN Admin" which was desktop support in person with some active directory work, then I was a network analyst again, then a senior network analyst, and now a sysadmin
[13-Oct-2010 22:15:25] <Sam-I-Am> job titles are funny sometimes
[13-Oct-2010 22:15:32] <Sam-I-Am> especially at big corps
[13-Oct-2010 22:15:33] <rmatte> I started using FreeBSD when I was 14 though, so I have over 10 years experience with unix
[13-Oct-2010 22:15:34] <willwh> rmatte: similar for me 
[13-Oct-2010 22:15:40] <rmatte> which most 25 year olds can't say
[13-Oct-2010 22:15:53] <willwh> nice, unix wise I was a late starter
[13-Oct-2010 22:15:58] <willwh> I am 28
[13-Oct-2010 22:16:10] <willwh> happy with bash tho
[13-Oct-2010 22:16:11] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: i took about the same route... started with linux in 94 when i was 14
[13-Oct-2010 22:16:15] <willwh> and unix tools in general 
[13-Oct-2010 22:16:19] * Sam-I-Am turns 30 soon... ewwww!
[13-Oct-2010 22:16:36] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: nice, I don't talk to many people who started that early
[13-Oct-2010 22:16:38] <rmatte> it's rare
[13-Oct-2010 22:16:38] * aclark is apparently the "old man" at 39 :-p
[13-Oct-2010 22:16:49] <willwh> is it not scary that in lots of place, people our age are responsible for all this "stuff" 
[13-Oct-2010 22:16:56] <aclark> but i look 18 so that's good ;-)
[13-Oct-2010 22:16:58] <willwh> part of the reason I LOVE zenoss :>
[13-Oct-2010 22:17:04] <rmatte> hehe
[13-Oct-2010 22:17:27] <rmatte> yeh, if I leave the company I'm at they'd kind of be screwed
[13-Oct-2010 22:17:58] <rmatte> 15 production Zenoss servers, and no one really knows anything about it besides me
[13-Oct-2010 22:17:58] <Sam-I-Am> is there an anti-aging zenpack?
[13-Oct-2010 22:18:10] <aclark> rmatte: wow
[13-Oct-2010 22:18:14] <rmatte> Hmmm, I should have written one for the ZenPack contest
[13-Oct-2010 22:18:20] <willwh> haha
[13-Oct-2010 22:18:43] <willwh> rmatte: I'm in a similar situation - people in the organization know about *nix, a little....
[13-Oct-2010 22:18:46] <rmatte> I can write an ANTI-AGING datasource for you, it won't really do much though
[13-Oct-2010 22:18:50] <willwh> but not even enough to get themselves in trouble
[13-Oct-2010 22:18:52] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[13-Oct-2010 22:18:58] <rmatte> it'll just randomly generate events saying "You're only getting younger"
[13-Oct-2010 22:18:58] <willwh> and that is the glue holding a lot of stuff together
[13-Oct-2010 22:19:00] <rmatte> does that work?
[13-Oct-2010 22:19:35] <rmatte> willwh: we're an all windows shop, there are 3 *nix guys in the building
[13-Oct-2010 22:19:42] <willwh> same in our place
[13-Oct-2010 22:19:46] <willwh> it's a crying shame 
[13-Oct-2010 22:19:49] <Sam-I-Am> do you scare them?
[13-Oct-2010 22:19:57] <willwh> mostly >.>
[13-Oct-2010 22:20:02] <Sam-I-Am> give them crap about patch tuesday?
[13-Oct-2010 22:20:07] <willwh> hahaha
[13-Oct-2010 22:20:11] <rmatte> willwh: not really, I prefer it that way, let the windows admins go wild, it just created more value for us *nix guys
[13-Oct-2010 22:20:20] <Sam-I-Am> put entire organization into maintenance..
[13-Oct-2010 22:20:21] <willwh> this is true...
[13-Oct-2010 22:20:32] <willwh> rmatte: you played with nginx much?
[13-Oct-2010 22:20:42] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: black tuesday as they say in the windows world
[13-Oct-2010 22:20:48] <willwh> I was looking at benchmarks for various webservers serving different types of content
[13-Oct-2010 22:20:52] <rmatte> willwh: never touched nginx
[13-Oct-2010 22:20:56] <willwh> alrighty
[13-Oct-2010 22:21:01] <willwh> just finely tuned apache? :]
[13-Oct-2010 22:21:16] <rmatte> pretty much
[13-Oct-2010 22:21:25] <aclark> rmatte: get your nginx on! it's handy
[13-Oct-2010 22:21:30] <rmatte> hehe
[13-Oct-2010 22:21:35] <rmatte> I'll take a look at it
[13-Oct-2010 22:22:33] <willwh> yeah depends on what you're serving
[13-Oct-2010 22:22:45] <willwh> but it is pretty nice (or was, when we deployed it for a short term project)
[13-Oct-2010 22:22:46] <willwh> 
[13-Oct-2010 22:22:51] <Sam-I-Am> think its possible to write a zenpack to put individual interfaces on a network device into maintenance rather than the whole device?
[13-Oct-2010 22:23:02] <Sam-I-Am> or other hackery...
[13-Oct-2010 22:23:20] <rmatte> I have a project going on at one of our client's sites where I'm migrating their windows CVS to linux CVS, biggest pain in the ass project
[13-Oct-2010 22:23:28] <Sam-I-Am> ugh @ cvs
[13-Oct-2010 22:23:29] <willwh> cvs?
[13-Oct-2010 22:23:30] <willwh> yeah
[13-Oct-2010 22:23:31] <willwh> lol
[13-Oct-2010 22:23:34] <rmatte> I don't normally do on-site stuff, but I'm the linux guy
[13-Oct-2010 22:23:55] <rmatte> so far I have the database copied over, fixed file and directory permissions with a bunch of trickery
[13-Oct-2010 22:24:02] <rmatte> I have AD authentication for CVS
[13-Oct-2010 22:24:12] <rmatte> I still need to go back and finish a bunch of stuff
[13-Oct-2010 22:24:20] <willwh> yuck 
[13-Oct-2010 22:24:28] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[13-Oct-2010 22:24:29] <Sam-I-Am> fun times
[13-Oct-2010 22:24:34] <rmatte> like moving their bugzilla over from their old Linux server to the new one, then duplicating a bunch of integration between their windows CVS and bugzilla
[13-Oct-2010 22:24:35] <willwh> I am actually enjoying using git, a lot..... although... at work, sourcegear vault
[13-Oct-2010 22:24:42] <rmatte> I saw the code for the integration, it made my head spin
[13-Oct-2010 22:25:01] <rmatte> yeh, I'm a subversion guy
[13-Oct-2010 22:25:05] <rmatte> CVS is a nightmare
[13-Oct-2010 22:25:18] <rmatte> though git looks really nice
[13-Oct-2010 22:25:44] <willwh> it's nice to use from a user standpoint, and I imagine it's ok for "the admin" - or whoever deals with merges etc etc etc
[13-Oct-2010 22:25:47] <willwh> but
[13-Oct-2010 22:26:00] <willwh> that's the one problem with distributed version control
[13-Oct-2010 22:26:07] <willwh> the guy at the top is crying in to his cornflakes, a lot.
[13-Oct-2010 22:26:09] <aclark> rmatte: git's nice and github is addictive, I swear I'm hacking on http://github.com/aclark4life/Parse-to-Plone/blob/master/parse2plone.py just so i can push to github
[13-Oct-2010 22:26:16] <willwh> or more likely, seriously ocd 
[13-Oct-2010 22:26:19] <rmatte> hehe
[13-Oct-2010 22:26:38] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: if i had the time... python knowledge... and another job title, i'd really like to customize zenoss for more network-centric operations.
[13-Oct-2010 22:26:40] <rmatte> I can't believe how many people are in here tonight, it usually completely dies after like 6pm EDT
[13-Oct-2010 22:26:53] <willwh> I'm on PST
[13-Oct-2010 22:27:00] <Sam-I-Am> i'm a nerd with no life
[13-Oct-2010 22:27:00] <willwh> and just happen to be around, not doing much tonight
[13-Oct-2010 22:27:05] <Sam-I-Am> wait, thats redundant
[13-Oct-2010 22:27:07] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: I would really like to improve the way Zenoss handles interface templates/monitoring
[13-Oct-2010 22:27:12] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: it's a nightmare
[13-Oct-2010 22:27:16] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[13-Oct-2010 22:27:37] <willwh> I have to say, even after locking some interfaces from update and monitoring
[13-Oct-2010 22:27:40] <Sam-I-Am> coming from the network world thats pretty much what i see/use
[13-Oct-2010 22:27:44] <willwh> (I am guessing this must be a bug in 2.5.0)
[13-Oct-2010 22:27:52] <rmatte> Yeh, I come from a heavy network world lol
[13-Oct-2010 22:27:53] <willwh> sometimes after a remodel, some of them will be back on
[13-Oct-2010 22:27:59] <rmatte> lots of exposure to cisco
[13-Oct-2010 22:28:04] <rmatte> which makes me good at what I do
[13-Oct-2010 22:28:14] <Sam-I-Am> i've got mostly foundry/brocade and juniper
[13-Oct-2010 22:28:23] <willwh> I have to agree - I'm the same, cisco certs a long time ago, but networking first
[13-Oct-2010 22:28:28] <rmatte> yeh, I know brocade and juniper
[13-Oct-2010 22:28:30] <rmatte> no foundry
[13-Oct-2010 22:28:37] <willwh> talk to young devs nowadays, and they are like, "WTF is the OSI model"
[13-Oct-2010 22:28:42] <willwh> ./slap
[13-Oct-2010 22:28:44] <Sam-I-Am> brocade bought foundry... before that they were just fiberchan
[13-Oct-2010 22:28:45] <rmatte> I never got my cisco cert, but I did the courses
[13-Oct-2010 22:28:56] <rmatte> I used to be able to configure cisco routers and switches with my eyes closed
[13-Oct-2010 22:29:00] <Sam-I-Am> their stuff is rock solid
[13-Oct-2010 22:29:05] <rmatte> but I don't use it on a day to day basis anymore
[13-Oct-2010 22:29:19] <rmatte> so I've forgotten a lot of it
[13-Oct-2010 22:29:25] <willwh> yup, I was doing it around, erm, IOS 11x
[13-Oct-2010 22:29:28] <willwh> me too
[13-Oct-2010 22:29:44] <willwh> I actually saw a number of job postings that would be fun recently, but I'm not really up for moving
[13-Oct-2010 22:29:56] <willwh> in that realm..
[13-Oct-2010 22:30:02] <willwh> which is why I mentioned it
[13-Oct-2010 22:30:19] <rmatte> I remember in school, it was like "you have 20 minutes to configure these 3 routers with OSPF, EIGRP, and RIP between each of them respectively, go!"
[13-Oct-2010 22:30:25] <rmatte> and I could do it in like 10 mins
[13-Oct-2010 22:30:28] <willwh> yup
[13-Oct-2010 22:30:28] <rmatte> but it's been yearrrrs
[13-Oct-2010 22:30:34] <Sam-I-Am> heh, eigrp
[13-Oct-2010 22:30:34] <willwh> same here
[13-Oct-2010 22:30:48] <willwh> there's an ack here and an ack ack there
[13-Oct-2010 22:30:53] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Oct-2010 22:30:55] <Sam-I-Am> and a syn ack
[13-Oct-2010 22:30:55] <willwh> here an ack there an ack, everywhere an ack ack 
[13-Oct-2010 22:31:05] <willwh> old mcdonald had a network farm >.>
[13-Oct-2010 22:31:32] <imeyer> NERDS
[13-Oct-2010 22:31:34] <imeyer> haha
[13-Oct-2010 22:31:48] <willwh>  
[13-Oct-2010 22:31:51] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: reason for the per-interface maint thing is i have devices connected to several carriers.  if one wants to do maint, i'd rather not put the whole device into maint so i'll know if another one fails.
[13-Oct-2010 22:32:01] <Sam-I-Am> imeyer: yes, i am a nerd!
[13-Oct-2010 22:32:10] <Sam-I-Am> and proud of it
[13-Oct-2010 22:32:14] <imeyer> its okay, me too.
[13-Oct-2010 22:32:17] <imeyer> just not a networking nerd
[13-Oct-2010 22:32:17] <Sam-I-Am> except women run away screaming
[13-Oct-2010 22:34:15] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: yeh, that would be interesting to code
[13-Oct-2010 22:35:10] <Sam-I-Am> since you can control whether an intf is monitored or not, most of the stuff is probably already there.
[13-Oct-2010 22:35:27] <Sam-I-Am> i suspect simply changing it from monitored to not and back again would do the trick
[13-Oct-2010 22:37:18] <Sam-I-Am> also need a more robust routemap plugin that can filter routes... by default it'll slurp the bgp table from my devices which is about 350k routes... it chokes and dies.
[13-Oct-2010 22:37:34] <Sam-I-Am> for a lan it probably works fine with just ospf and some static routes
[13-Oct-2010 22:37:42] <Sam-I-Am> but i run a transport network
[13-Oct-2010 22:38:10] <willwh> ah 
[13-Oct-2010 22:38:20] <willwh> gotta love the ppl you can run in to here 
[13-Oct-2010 22:38:26] <willwh> who you working for Sam-I-Am ?
[13-Oct-2010 22:38:28] <rmatte> yeh, the route plugin is brutal
[13-Oct-2010 22:38:46] <rmatte> I could probably code a better one, I just haven't had time
[13-Oct-2010 22:38:52] <straterra> in...perl?
[13-Oct-2010 22:38:53] * straterra ducks
[13-Oct-2010 22:38:54] <rmatte> I've done other modeler plugins
[13-Oct-2010 22:38:59] <willwh> hahaha 
[13-Oct-2010 22:39:00] <rmatte> python 
[13-Oct-2010 22:39:03] <straterra> BAH
[13-Oct-2010 22:39:08] <rmatte> last I checked Zenoss didn't run on perlk
[13-Oct-2010 22:39:14] <straterra> I know, I know
[13-Oct-2010 22:39:26] <straterra> At least its not Java
[13-Oct-2010 22:39:39] <rmatte> yeh, I'm massively anti-java for anything other than we applets
[13-Oct-2010 22:39:45] <rmatte> it should stick to it's roots
[13-Oct-2010 22:39:46] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 22:39:47] <willwh> haha - a lot of people are
[13-Oct-2010 22:39:57] <straterra> Found an interesting bug in Java today
[13-Oct-2010 22:39:59] <willwh> I have to say though - we're running wowza media server for lots of content delivery
[13-Oct-2010 22:40:07] <willwh> it's written in java....
[13-Oct-2010 22:40:22] <willwh> there was a period with some JDK bugs that caused heap crashes
[13-Oct-2010 22:40:24] <straterra> If it uses cups over IP instead of UNIX sockets..it will fail to get a printer list like 30% of the time
[13-Oct-2010 22:40:27] <willwh> but, it's become really stable
[13-Oct-2010 22:40:31] <willwh> and it does all sorts of stuff 
[13-Oct-2010 22:40:45] <straterra> And throw a null exception error and die
[13-Oct-2010 22:40:47] <willwh> straterra: huh, odd
[13-Oct-2010 22:41:04] <straterra> Yeah. We noticed it in our ERP system sporadically
[13-Oct-2010 22:41:14] <straterra> Co-worker wrote a quick test app..and we pinpointed it to that
[13-Oct-2010 22:41:36] <Sam-I-Am> i work for kanren
[13-Oct-2010 22:41:39] <Sam-I-Am> kanren.net
[13-Oct-2010 22:41:50] <straterra> There is only one language I'd use less than Java
[13-Oct-2010 22:41:53] <straterra> Objective C
[13-Oct-2010 22:42:12] <willwh> 
[13-Oct-2010 22:42:15] <willwh> Sam-I-Am: cool 
[13-Oct-2010 22:42:38] <willwh> we're doign some live feed distribution for these folks: http://www2.ucar.edu/
[13-Oct-2010 22:42:43] <willwh> mostly lecture delivery etc
[13-Oct-2010 22:42:49] <Sam-I-Am> fixing the routemap plugin would get dependencies working for me
[13-Oct-2010 22:42:51] <willwh> their guys are a nice bunch though 
[13-Oct-2010 22:42:56] <Sam-I-Am> ah yes, ucar
[13-Oct-2010 22:43:08] <Sam-I-Am> i almost worked for them
[13-Oct-2010 22:44:04] <Sam-I-Am> i'm a weather nerd, so i thought it might hit the spot... but then i figured out what they were running and ran away screaming
[13-Oct-2010 22:44:21] <willwh> ahaha 
[13-Oct-2010 22:45:01] <Sam-I-Am> fortran isnt my thing
[13-Oct-2010 22:45:15] <willwh> no 
[13-Oct-2010 22:46:19] <rmatte> cobalt!
[13-Oct-2010 22:46:45] <rmatte> I had a teacher in college nicknamed captain cobalt
[13-Oct-2010 22:46:46] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 22:47:00] <willwh> Sam-I-Am: is that a plesk login I see on there
[13-Oct-2010 22:47:14] <willwh> I hope it's not the windows version
[13-Oct-2010 22:47:20] <willwh> man plesk is brutal 
[13-Oct-2010 22:47:31] <willwh> better in *nix, but I am still not a fan.
[13-Oct-2010 22:50:02] <Sam-I-Am> its on unix
[13-Oct-2010 22:50:32] <willwh> 
[13-Oct-2010 22:50:34] <willwh> easy peasy then
[13-Oct-2010 22:50:40] <willwh> you running bsd mostly?
[13-Oct-2010 22:51:09] <Sam-I-Am> used to be primarily bsd... now its more linux with some osx
[13-Oct-2010 22:51:31] <willwh> 
[13-Oct-2010 22:51:47] <willwh> I haven't touched much osx, but we are mostly running debian stuff
[13-Oct-2010 22:51:52] <willwh> I run gentoo on my laptop
[13-Oct-2010 22:52:03] <rmatte> I used to run BSD but the compatibility with Linux is so much higher these days
[13-Oct-2010 22:52:17] <willwh> and carry backtrack usb/cd around
[13-Oct-2010 22:52:20] <Sam-I-Am> i've been a debian fan for years... but this shop is centos.  i'm not the sysadmin, so i really dont get much say.
[13-Oct-2010 22:52:23] <willwh> never know when you might need it 
[13-Oct-2010 22:52:29] <Sam-I-Am> i like backtrack
[13-Oct-2010 22:52:38] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: we use Ubuntu Server for our servers, I'm a debian fan myself
[13-Oct-2010 22:52:44] <willwh> it's good for scaring the shit out of people, that's for sure
[13-Oct-2010 22:52:45] <rmatte> CentOS is a pain in the ass
[13-Oct-2010 22:52:52] <willwh> agreed.
[13-Oct-2010 22:52:59] <Sam-I-Am> rpm is a pita 
[13-Oct-2010 22:53:11] <willwh> oh, what, you don't have your desktop bios' passworded in any way?
[13-Oct-2010 22:53:18] <willwh> give me about 6 minutes.....
[13-Oct-2010 22:53:28] <willwh> logging in as admin to your windows domain box
[13-Oct-2010 22:53:31] <willwh> hahaha
[13-Oct-2010 22:53:38] <Sam-I-Am> i was involved heavily in ubuntu server development for a few years... then it kinda went a bad direction (imho)
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[13-Oct-2010 22:53:50] <willwh> mray: o/
[13-Oct-2010 22:53:54] <Sam-I-Am> primarily with directory services (ldap)
[13-Oct-2010 22:54:17] <willwh> ah - I don't ever need to use it, so no opinion on it
[13-Oct-2010 22:54:28] <willwh> bah
[13-Oct-2010 22:54:29] <Sam-I-Am> integrating ldap, kerberos, samba, dns, dhcp, blah blah... making it all one big happy family.
[13-Oct-2010 22:54:33] <willwh> I won't be in the office at that time
[13-Oct-2010 22:55:10] <willwh> alrighty lads, I'm out io/
[13-Oct-2010 22:55:14] <willwh> speak soon 
[13-Oct-2010 22:55:15] <Sam-I-Am> night
[13-Oct-2010 22:55:26] <Sam-I-Am> zenoss developers on irc... awesome
[13-Oct-2010 23:08:32] <Sam-I-Am> sure got quiet
[13-Oct-2010 23:09:29] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Oct-2010 23:09:39] <rmatte> I was talking to Matt
[13-Oct-2010 23:10:22] <rmatte> 
[13-Oct-2010 23:11:18] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[13-Oct-2010 23:13:05] <Sam-I-Am> meh, i'm tired tonight... on-call week is kicking my ass
[13-Oct-2010 23:13:19] <rmatte> I'm on-call 24x7
[13-Oct-2010 23:13:20] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 23:13:39] <rmatte> which I told the CEO to factor in to my raise whenever I happen to receive it
[13-Oct-2010 23:14:21] <rmatte> getting woken up at 3 in the morning constantly blows (as I'm sure you're aware)
[13-Oct-2010 23:14:32] <Sam-I-Am> ooooh yeah
[13-Oct-2010 23:14:52] <rmatte> I don't even get paid to be on call right now, I'm gett screwed, but no one else is going to do it
[13-Oct-2010 23:15:07] <Sam-I-Am> i dont get paid for it either
[13-Oct-2010 23:15:15] <rmatte> I spoke with the CEO though about a raise including that, but lord knows when that will come through
[13-Oct-2010 23:15:22] <Sam-I-Am> some weeks nothing happens, other weeks its a nightmare
[13-Oct-2010 23:15:27] <rmatte> I'm making peanuts right now for what I do
[13-Oct-2010 23:15:49] <rmatte> same amount as I was making when I was a senior network analyst
[13-Oct-2010 23:15:55] <Sam-I-Am> i think many of us are
[13-Oct-2010 23:15:59] <rmatte> which ended a year and a half ago
[13-Oct-2010 23:16:00] <Sam-I-Am> stupid economy of fail
[13-Oct-2010 23:16:19] <rmatte> well, the economy isn't that bad over here besides the stupid HST
[13-Oct-2010 23:16:36] <rmatte> (new tax they implemented)
[13-Oct-2010 23:16:40] <rmatte> it's raping us dry lol
[13-Oct-2010 23:16:51] <rmatte> massive cash grab
[13-Oct-2010 23:17:58] <Sam-I-Am> that sucks
[13-Oct-2010 23:18:27] <Sam-I-Am> supposedly some tax cuts here are ending soon... extra chunk coming out of the paycheck soon
[13-Oct-2010 23:19:05] <rmatte> yeh... basically what they've done here is robbery...
[13-Oct-2010 23:19:12] <rmatte> we had 2 taxes. GST and PST...
[13-Oct-2010 23:19:30] <rmatte> GST was 5% and PST was 8%
[13-Oct-2010 23:19:59] <rmatte> we didn't get chargest PST on a LOT of stuff, including electricity, gas, etc...
[13-Oct-2010 23:20:11] <rmatte> now they've merged both taxes in to 1 tax called the HST
[13-Oct-2010 23:20:15] <rmatte> which is 13%
[13-Oct-2010 23:20:26] <rmatte> but now all the stuff that we weren't paying PST on, suddenly we are
[13-Oct-2010 23:20:30] <Sam-I-Am> ugh
[13-Oct-2010 23:20:33] <Sam-I-Am> bend over
[13-Oct-2010 23:20:34] <rmatte> so our electricity bills have doubles
[13-Oct-2010 23:20:37] <rmatte> doubled*
[13-Oct-2010 23:20:39] <rmatte> etc...
[13-Oct-2010 23:20:44] <rmatte> yeh, it's super lame
[13-Oct-2010 23:20:59] <rmatte> like, if they want to merge them, fine, but drop it to 10% to compensate or something
[13-Oct-2010 23:21:04] <rmatte> rather than screwing us
[13-Oct-2010 23:21:06] <Sam-I-Am> glad to see canadas just as messed up
[13-Oct-2010 23:21:25] <rmatte> well, it's really on this 1 province
[13-Oct-2010 23:21:42] <rmatte> the only other province that has that is BC and they had a massive uprising about it and it's on it's way out
[13-Oct-2010 23:21:51] <rmatte> so we're the 1 province who is screwed with it
[13-Oct-2010 23:22:22] <Sam-I-Am> you cant have an uprising?
[13-Oct-2010 23:22:24] <rmatte> our "premiere" who is the equivalent of a governor is a douchebag
[13-Oct-2010 23:22:35] <rmatte> I'll be surprised if he gets voted in again
[13-Oct-2010 23:22:53] <rmatte> nah, BC have different rules than us
[13-Oct-2010 23:22:58] <rmatte> they are allowed to uprise against it
[13-Oct-2010 23:23:01] <rmatte> we can't
[13-Oct-2010 23:23:05] <rmatte> it's stupid
[13-Oct-2010 23:23:43] <rmatte> once I have enough money to get my own house and car I'm going to live in the next province over
[13-Oct-2010 23:23:48] <rmatte> everything is wayyyy cheaper there
[13-Oct-2010 23:24:03] <rmatte> and it's not much further to drive to work from there
[13-Oct-2010 23:24:26] <Sam-I-Am> quebec?
[13-Oct-2010 23:24:29] <rmatte> yup
[13-Oct-2010 23:24:37] <rmatte> much lower taxes
[13-Oct-2010 23:24:39] <rmatte> lower gas
[13-Oct-2010 23:24:41] <Sam-I-Am> never been there... just ontario
[13-Oct-2010 23:24:43] <rmatte> lower beer
[13-Oct-2010 23:24:44] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 23:25:14] <rmatte> where in ontario?
[13-Oct-2010 23:25:33] <Sam-I-Am> toronto, ottawa, and points in between... just a vacation.  twice i guess.
[13-Oct-2010 23:25:44] <rmatte> cool
[13-Oct-2010 23:25:49] <Sam-I-Am> toronto was awesome
[13-Oct-2010 23:26:04] <rmatte> I live in Ottawa, like I said, definitely not as grandesque as Toronto lol
[13-Oct-2010 23:26:13] <rmatte> the CN tower is quite the sight
[13-Oct-2010 23:26:18] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[13-Oct-2010 23:26:23] <Sam-I-Am> not sure if i could do the winters up there
[13-Oct-2010 23:26:39] <rmatte> it's something you have to get used to
[13-Oct-2010 23:26:43] <rmatte> I'm seasoned for it
[13-Oct-2010 23:26:55] <rmatte> the majority of the sports I do are winter sports
[13-Oct-2010 23:26:59] <rmatte> skiing, snowboarding, skating
[13-Oct-2010 23:27:11] <Sam-I-Am> i lived in colorado for 4 years, that was enough insane winter for me... i'm not big into winter sports.
[13-Oct-2010 23:27:19] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 23:27:31] <Sam-I-Am> i'm a cyclist
[13-Oct-2010 23:27:31] <rmatte> I personally love winter
[13-Oct-2010 23:27:48] <rmatte> no bugs, no allergies to deal with
[13-Oct-2010 23:27:49] <Sam-I-Am> i like cold over hot for sure, but not snow.
[13-Oct-2010 23:28:01] <rmatte> and no, I don't live indoors during the summer
[13-Oct-2010 23:28:02] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 23:28:07] <Sam-I-Am> the short daylight hours are a bit rough too
[13-Oct-2010 23:28:25] <rmatte> the short daylight hours are one of the things I don't like during winter
[13-Oct-2010 23:28:29] <rmatte> but oh well
[13-Oct-2010 23:28:32] <rmatte> you get used to it
[13-Oct-2010 23:28:54] <Sam-I-Am> less than 2 months away from the earliest sunset
[13-Oct-2010 23:28:55] <rmatte> snowball fights are always fun
[13-Oct-2010 23:29:40] <Sam-I-Am> i tried getting into skiing but it was just too expensive
[13-Oct-2010 23:30:12] <rmatte> I only go occasionally and I rent
[13-Oct-2010 23:30:18] <Sam-I-Am> most of my buddies learned a long time ago when it was cheaper and already progressed to doing their own backcountry thing
[13-Oct-2010 23:30:19] <rmatte> my expensive sport is paintball
[13-Oct-2010 23:30:27] <Sam-I-Am> havent tried that one
[13-Oct-2010 23:30:33] <rmatte> I love it
[13-Oct-2010 23:30:55] <Sam-I-Am> even in winter?
[13-Oct-2010 23:31:21] <rmatte> I rarely play in winter, but there are winter paintballs you can buy
[13-Oct-2010 23:31:26] <rmatte> they are filled with powder
[13-Oct-2010 23:31:33] <rmatte> and much softer
[13-Oct-2010 23:31:53] <rmatte> you couldn't play in winter with regular paintballs, you'd end up killing someone
[13-Oct-2010 23:31:54] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 23:31:57] <Sam-I-Am> ha
[13-Oct-2010 23:32:17] <Sam-I-Am> cycling is the money sucking sport here... especially racing
[13-Oct-2010 23:32:49] <Sam-I-Am> but it pales in comparison to flying
[13-Oct-2010 23:33:10] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Oct-2010 23:33:16] <rmatte> top line cycles are expensive
[13-Oct-2010 23:33:20] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[13-Oct-2010 23:33:23] <rmatte> probably comparable to paintball though
[13-Oct-2010 23:33:31] <rmatte> my paintball gun alone is worth over $1000
[13-Oct-2010 23:33:34] <Sam-I-Am> i think any sport when done 'right' gets expensive
[13-Oct-2010 23:33:44] <rmatte> then I have all my gear
[13-Oct-2010 23:33:50] <rmatte> my mask alone is $150
[13-Oct-2010 23:33:51] <rmatte> and so on
[13-Oct-2010 23:33:54] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[13-Oct-2010 23:34:10] <Sam-I-Am> having fun isnt cheap, but you only live once
[13-Oct-2010 23:34:34] <Sam-I-Am> i made the mistake of owning houses earlier in life... now that i'm out of that mess, its time to have fun.
[13-Oct-2010 23:35:15] <rmatte> hehe
[13-Oct-2010 23:35:25] <rmatte> I'm working towards buying a house right now
[13-Oct-2010 23:35:29] <rmatte> going to take a while but yeh
[13-Oct-2010 23:35:38] <Sam-I-Am> i lost 45k in the last one
[13-Oct-2010 23:35:45] <Sam-I-Am> so... not doing that again
[13-Oct-2010 23:35:50] <rmatte> then you didn't do it right lol
[13-Oct-2010 23:35:57] <rmatte> or just had bad luck
[13-Oct-2010 23:36:02] <Sam-I-Am> economy tanked, job went south.
[13-Oct-2010 23:36:09] <rmatte> yeh, bad luck
[13-Oct-2010 23:36:10] <Sam-I-Am> i am king of bad luck
[13-Oct-2010 23:36:15] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 23:36:27] <Sam-I-Am> which makes me wonder why i fly airplanes
[13-Oct-2010 23:36:45] <Sam-I-Am> only a matter of time before that ends badly
[13-Oct-2010 23:38:35] <rmatte> lol
[13-Oct-2010 23:40:50] <Sam-I-Am> how's the housing market up there?
[13-Oct-2010 23:41:52] <rmatte> not too bad, prices are going up
[13-Oct-2010 23:42:05] <rmatte> which is bad for me who is looking to buy a house
[13-Oct-2010 23:42:11] <rmatte> good for people who already own them
[13-Oct-2010 23:42:16] <Sam-I-Am> interest rates down?
[13-Oct-2010 23:42:32] <rmatte> they are basically what they've been at for year
[13-Oct-2010 23:42:35] <rmatte> years*
[13-Oct-2010 23:43:44] <Sam-I-Am> things seem a bit flat here... home sales are up slightly, but prices havent come up
[13-Oct-2010 23:45:12] <rmatte> ah
[13-Oct-2010 23:49:33] <Sam-I-Am> well, time to hit the sack... hopefully get some decent sleep before the pager goes off at 3 am
[13-Oct-2010 23:49:42] <rmatte> good night
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[14-Oct-2010 09:23:11] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[14-Oct-2010 09:23:57] <cgibbons> oink
[14-Oct-2010 09:25:29] <Sam-I-Am> caffeine++
[14-Oct-2010 09:26:02] <imeyer> baaa
[14-Oct-2010 09:29:56] <Parabola> good morning
[14-Oct-2010 09:30:06] <Parabola> man, time to head to work
[14-Oct-2010 09:30:14] <Parabola> i slept in today 
[14-Oct-2010 09:37:56] <imeyer> sleeping in rules
[14-Oct-2010 09:38:48] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 09:38:53] <rmatte> I'm just going to work from home today
[14-Oct-2010 09:39:01] <ericenns> morning
[14-Oct-2010 09:39:07] <imeyer> wfh is much better
[14-Oct-2010 09:39:07] <rmatte> good morning
[14-Oct-2010 09:39:18] <imeyer> we have VC meetings all day so we *have* to be in the office
[14-Oct-2010 09:39:26] <rmatte> lame
[14-Oct-2010 09:39:26] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 09:40:49] <sergeymasushko> morning
[14-Oct-2010 09:42:31] <rmatte> well, time to wrap my cisco mibs pack up and export it
[14-Oct-2010 09:45:22] <sergeymasushko> hm... something weird... I run "zenpack --help" and it returns the following http://fpaste.org/0uzw/
[14-Oct-2010 09:47:09] <rmatte> hmmm
[14-Oct-2010 09:47:23] <cgibbons> well there's your problem!
[14-Oct-2010 09:47:43] <rmatte> ?
[14-Oct-2010 09:47:49] <imeyer> ha
[14-Oct-2010 09:48:11] <sergeymasushko> cgibbons: what is my problem?
[14-Oct-2010 09:48:27] <rmatte> yeh, I can't see what would cause that
[14-Oct-2010 09:48:38] <rmatte> but he probably knows something that we don't
[14-Oct-2010 09:48:41] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 09:48:45] <cgibbons> no i'm being a smartass
[14-Oct-2010 09:48:48] <rmatte> ah
[14-Oct-2010 09:49:27] <sergeymasushko> hm when I run it without "--help" all is OK  anyway it's weird...
[14-Oct-2010 09:50:28] <rmatte> --help doesn't even give you the relevant options anyways
[14-Oct-2010 09:50:38] <rmatte> since the dmd options override them
[14-Oct-2010 09:51:27] <sergeymasushko> one more thing... my zencatalog.log is not updating since upgrade to 3.0.2 ... any ideas?
[14-Oct-2010 09:52:09] <rmatte> almost every time I hear the words "since I upgraded to 3.0.2" it's usually some bug
[14-Oct-2010 09:52:39] <sergeymasushko> heh...
[14-Oct-2010 09:53:13] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: I just tested zenpack --help on my 3.0 test box, it does the same thing
[14-Oct-2010 09:53:21] <rmatte> so there's another bug
[14-Oct-2010 09:57:10] <imeyer> how are dependencies on events handled? if the host is down, i don't want any other events from that host/device
[14-Oct-2010 09:58:31] <rmatte> imeyer: as long as there's a ping down event present you won't receive any other alerts
[14-Oct-2010 09:58:54] <rmatte> sometimes some other alert will squeak by before the ping down alert comes in
[14-Oct-2010 09:58:56] <rmatte> but it's care
[14-Oct-2010 09:59:04] <rmatte> s/care/rare
[14-Oct-2010 09:59:26] <imeyer> right, but what about http service returning 503? i don't want events about response times
[14-Oct-2010 09:59:44] <imeyer> cause the service is in a failed state so response time events are moot
[14-Oct-2010 09:59:50] <rmatte> you will get zero events like I said, unless one actually squeaks by
[14-Oct-2010 10:00:01] <rmatte> a ping down event acts as a total event suppressor
[14-Oct-2010 10:00:13] <imeyer> sorry, i was using the ping down as a hypothetical
[14-Oct-2010 10:00:16] <rmatte> Zenoss literally stops trying to monitor everything on a device if it's ping down
[14-Oct-2010 10:00:26] <imeyer> yeah, ignore my ping down scenario.. sorry 
[14-Oct-2010 10:00:38] <rmatte> yeh, I see, you're talking about some other event
[14-Oct-2010 10:00:45] <rmatte> you'd have to use a transform for that
[14-Oct-2010 10:00:54] <sergeymasushko> what does zencatalog?
[14-Oct-2010 10:01:05] <imeyer> okay, i'll poke around in the docs and see if i can figure something out
[14-Oct-2010 10:01:08] <rmatte> zencatalog has to do with the zope database I believe
[14-Oct-2010 10:01:18] <rmatte> imeyer: k
[14-Oct-2010 10:01:19] <st3v3o> morning
[14-Oct-2010 10:01:25] <rmatte> st3v3o: morning
[14-Oct-2010 10:02:14] <st3v3o> its a rainy day around the DC area.  Make's for crazy traffic….its like idiots just add water
[14-Oct-2010 10:02:55] <sergeymasushko> how can I check its functionality? when I do "zenoss stop" zencatalog is stay alive and I can do only "kill -9 <PID of zencatalog>... there is no log for that daemon... I'm confused...
[14-Oct-2010 10:05:40] <st3v3o> was zencatalog a daemon installed from a zenpack ?
[14-Oct-2010 10:05:42] <st3v3o> I don't have that
[14-Oct-2010 10:06:43] <sergeymasushko> no. st3v3o, as far as I understand it came after uprade to 3.0.2 
[14-Oct-2010 10:08:01] <st3v3o> interesting did you build from source or install via RPM…I upgraded to 3.0.2 (via RPM) and don't have a zencatalog daemon….  But I'm also having an issue where I can't get zenoss to start anymore because I let another guy "fix" it
[14-Oct-2010 10:08:52] <sergeymasushko> st3v3o: from source. our OS is freebsd 
[14-Oct-2010 10:09:07] <st3v3o> nothing wrong with the bsd's 
[14-Oct-2010 10:09:27] <st3v3o> I'm not as knowledgeable with them…but we run a lot of openbsd stuff
[14-Oct-2010 10:10:27] <sergeymasushko> we have freebsd everywhere... even on desktops in the office 
[14-Oct-2010 10:10:43] <rmatte> I used FreeBSD as my desktop OS for like 5 years
[14-Oct-2010 10:10:45] <st3v3o> thats pretty sweet
[14-Oct-2010 10:10:55] <st3v3o> freebsd can be a nice desktop OS
[14-Oct-2010 10:10:59] <rmatte> eventually switched over to Linux
[14-Oct-2010 10:11:04] <rmatte> Gentoo helped with the transition
[14-Oct-2010 10:11:13] <st3v3o> rmatte what flavor you run
[14-Oct-2010 10:11:24] <rmatte> Ubuntu now, mostly because I just want a hassle free experience
[14-Oct-2010 10:11:27] <sergeymasushko> sure... but freeBSD is so slow for updates...
[14-Oct-2010 10:11:28] <rmatte> compiling source is fine for servers
[14-Oct-2010 10:11:41] <st3v3o> yeah ubuntu has great repos
[14-Oct-2010 10:11:50] <st3v3o> I've always also been a fedora fan
[14-Oct-2010 10:12:07] <rmatte> When I was using FreeBSD and Gentoo it would take me like a week to initially setup the OS
[14-Oct-2010 10:12:12] <rmatte> because of the compile times
[14-Oct-2010 10:12:22] <rmatte> with Ubuntu it's just bada-bing bada-boom
[14-Oct-2010 10:13:02] <rmatte> Fedora is meh for me, I'm not a big fan of RHEL derivatives
[14-Oct-2010 10:13:10] <rmatte> I work with them when I have to
[14-Oct-2010 10:13:19] <sergeymasushko> just updated my desktop at home to 10.10  it was first dist update without errors 
[14-Oct-2010 10:13:29] <rmatte> really?
[14-Oct-2010 10:13:41] <rmatte> I've dist upgraded this workstation from 7.04 all the way to 10.04
[14-Oct-2010 10:13:46] <rmatte> without any major problems
[14-Oct-2010 10:14:12] <st3v3o> rmatee:  wow …about every two versions I just do a clean install ….but nice that upgrade path is working
[14-Oct-2010 10:14:21] <rmatte> yeh
[14-Oct-2010 10:14:30] <rmatte> I don't do clean installs unless I have to
[14-Oct-2010 10:14:31] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: I have russian localization... that sometimes causes problems 
[14-Oct-2010 10:14:33] <ericenns> I do a clean install every version lol
[14-Oct-2010 10:14:45] <rmatte> this thing has also been converted from kubuntu, to ubuntu, then recently back to kubuntu
[14-Oct-2010 10:14:54] <rmatte> once I get my 30" screen I'm switching to xubuntu
[14-Oct-2010 10:15:04] <sergeymasushko> huh
[14-Oct-2010 10:15:18] <rmatte> just different window manager and splash screen on the same install
[14-Oct-2010 10:15:31] <rmatte> kubuntu is kde, ubuntu is gnome, xubuntu is xfce
[14-Oct-2010 10:15:38] <Sam-I-Am> i've liked xubuntu
[14-Oct-2010 10:15:42] <rmatte> you can switch between them with aptitude
[14-Oct-2010 10:15:44] <Sam-I-Am> little bit lighter weight
[14-Oct-2010 10:15:49] <rmatte> yeh, and customizable
[14-Oct-2010 10:16:10] <Sam-I-Am> meh, ipv6 sometimes confuses the hell out of thunderbird
[14-Oct-2010 10:16:28] <rmatte> I like the look and feel of kde 4, but until they get icon transparency working for the system tray, I won't be keeping it around
[14-Oct-2010 10:16:33] <sergeymasushko> I use xubuntu on "HP omnibook 4150" 
[14-Oct-2010 10:16:51] <rmatte> it totally ruins the look when you have this really nice light theme, and then all your system tray icons have black squares around them
[14-Oct-2010 10:18:28] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: cool
[14-Oct-2010 10:21:49] <Sam-I-Am> one more night of getting woken up by zenoss
[14-Oct-2010 10:21:56] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 10:22:24] <Sam-I-Am> i think for this one circuit i need to tell zenoss that between 12 and 6 AM, let 5-10 pings fail before paging
[14-Oct-2010 10:22:30] <Sam-I-Am> if thats possible...
[14-Oct-2010 10:22:56] <Sam-I-Am> its a stupid microwave circuit that experiences 'snap fade' during the night... and the provider hasnt figured out how to fix it
[14-Oct-2010 10:23:56] <rmatte> well, the simplest way would be to lower the severity of the event to a level that you don't alert at (if you have such a level)
[14-Oct-2010 10:24:11] <rmatte> and then have a transform that ups the severity when the event count reaches a certain number
[14-Oct-2010 10:24:39] <rmatte> We only alerts on Critical, Error, and Warning
[14-Oct-2010 10:25:00] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, escalation sort of stuff...
[14-Oct-2010 10:25:04] <rmatte> yup
[14-Oct-2010 10:25:07] <Sam-I-Am> thats in the plans for the new rollout
[14-Oct-2010 10:25:33] <Sam-I-Am> also if the on-call person doesnt respond within 15 mins or so, page a secondary person, etc
[14-Oct-2010 10:25:59] <rmatte> yup
[14-Oct-2010 10:26:13] <rmatte> all of that is possible, just takes some cratiness 
[14-Oct-2010 10:26:16] <rmatte> craftiness*
[14-Oct-2010 10:26:20] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[14-Oct-2010 10:26:40] <rmatte> zenoss isn't the most braindead thing to setup/configure, but you can do almost anything with it
[14-Oct-2010 10:26:54] <rmatte> which is what makes it boatloads of awesome
[14-Oct-2010 10:27:15] <st3v3o> I like the term "boatloads of awesome"
[14-Oct-2010 10:27:22] <rmatte> and when the new UI stops being so buggy, it will be even more awesome
[14-Oct-2010 10:27:25] <st3v3o> they need to have that somewhere on teh website
[14-Oct-2010 10:27:29] <rmatte> hehe
[14-Oct-2010 10:27:38] <rmatte> "Boatloads of awesome." - Ryan Matte
[14-Oct-2010 10:28:22] <st3v3o> lol
[14-Oct-2010 10:28:23] <Sam-I-Am> the customizability is nice, but it can become an issue of scope creep and time suck
[14-Oct-2010 10:28:47] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: scope creep in what sense?
[14-Oct-2010 10:29:20] <Sam-I-Am> i keep finding stuff zenoss can do and it keeps getting added to my list of things to make work.
[14-Oct-2010 10:29:38] <rmatte> ah, yeh, welcome to the club man
[14-Oct-2010 10:29:44] <Sam-I-Am> the previous guy we had operating zenoss basically wrote it off as worthless and told everyone it wouldnt do anything we wanted
[14-Oct-2010 10:29:52] <rmatte> I have so many trac tickets open in our internal trac system it's ridiculous
[14-Oct-2010 10:30:07] <Sam-I-Am> so people here generally got the impression its worthless
[14-Oct-2010 10:30:24] <Sam-I-Am> then i got the project and started tackling all the tickets that had been open for a few years
[14-Oct-2010 10:30:35] <rmatte> then the previous guy belongs at a helpdesk in india
[14-Oct-2010 10:30:42] <Sam-I-Am> he got canned
[14-Oct-2010 10:30:46] <rmatte> I wonder why
[14-Oct-2010 10:30:47] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 10:30:55] <rmatte> "Scripting?  What's that?"
[14-Oct-2010 10:31:01] <tehhobbit> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1089782 
[14-Oct-2010 10:31:05] <Sam-I-Am> he didnt understand the command line
[14-Oct-2010 10:31:12] <Sam-I-Am> so obviously extending zenoss was an issue
[14-Oct-2010 10:31:20] <rmatte> yeh
[14-Oct-2010 10:31:37] <rmatte> linux knowhow is a must have
[14-Oct-2010 10:31:40] <rmatte> so is scripting
[14-Oct-2010 10:32:01] <rmatte> but if you're proficient at both you can make it do really cool stuff
[14-Oct-2010 10:33:02] <rmatte> I'm thinking my next coding project is going to be a datasource type that can gather info from an snmp index and dynamically generate datapoints
[14-Oct-2010 10:33:04] <Sam-I-Am> yep.  so management spread his 'jobs' to other people here... and i got most of them.  it started out as fixing our rrd-based graphs, now zenoss...
[14-Oct-2010 10:33:32] <Sam-I-Am> that'd be cool... assuming the vendor was smart enough to index stuff.  brocade... not so much.
[14-Oct-2010 10:34:04] <rmatte> well, it's more for stuff like wireless access points where each base station has it's own OID for stats when it comes to signal strength
[14-Oct-2010 10:34:07] <rmatte> or whatever
[14-Oct-2010 10:34:12] <rmatte> multiple cpus
[14-Oct-2010 10:34:15] <rmatte> stuff like that
[14-Oct-2010 10:34:24] <Sam-I-Am> cisco and juniper are pretty good about indexing
[14-Oct-2010 10:34:34] <rmatte> yeh, they are
[14-Oct-2010 10:34:42] <rmatte> Cisco's snmp handling is generally top notch
[14-Oct-2010 10:34:48] <rmatte> they have the odd stupidity
[14-Oct-2010 10:34:48] <Sam-I-Am> brocade decided they would use strings everywhere
[14-Oct-2010 10:34:58] <rmatte> yeh, that's so dumb
[14-Oct-2010 10:35:09] <Sam-I-Am> strings are good for readability out of snmpwalk, but not for automation.
[14-Oct-2010 10:35:12] <rmatte> net-app did that too for their temperature stuff in newer versions apparently
[14-Oct-2010 10:35:18] <rmatte> instead of 70 it's 70F
[14-Oct-2010 10:35:22] <Sam-I-Am> i think they designed it to work with their management app
[14-Oct-2010 10:35:23] <rmatte> so stupid
[14-Oct-2010 10:35:30] <rmatte> yeh
[14-Oct-2010 10:36:16] <Sam-I-Am> i'm also a bit miffed i cannot get counters out of logical interfaces
[14-Oct-2010 10:36:25] <Sam-I-Am> vlans, vlls, vpls, etc
[14-Oct-2010 10:36:30] <rmatte> that ubuntu thread is hillarious
[14-Oct-2010 10:36:35] <rmatte> I just read it now
[14-Oct-2010 10:36:39] <rmatte> tehhobbit: nice hehe
[14-Oct-2010 10:36:58] <tehhobbit> good snmp is often something that comes with those extra $ that really dont have an inpact of the product it self
[14-Oct-2010 10:37:11] <tehhobbit> s/of/on/
[14-Oct-2010 10:37:26] <rmatte> yeh
[14-Oct-2010 10:42:40] <rmatte> So I did a bit more research and it turns out that Evolution's mascot is a monkey giving further credence to the fact that the developers of Evolution are Darwinists. I don't know about you but I wasn't born from a monkey, and I don't want any monkeys on my desktop to further the Darwinist agenda. How am I going to explain to the children why there is a program in Ubuntu CE called Evolution which has a leering monkey as a mascot? Please remove Evolution from our 
[14-Oct-2010 10:42:43] <rmatte> that's too funny
[14-Oct-2010 10:45:31] <Sam-I-Am> yeh
[14-Oct-2010 10:47:22] * Sam-I-Am gets confused why auto-remodeling still shows the juniperdevice plugin failing, yet modeling manually works
[14-Oct-2010 10:47:59] <tehhobbit> hmmmm didnt realise what ubuntu ce was, kinda odd to base your desktop os on your religion (if your religon isnt your desktop os aka geeks)
[14-Oct-2010 10:50:54] <rmatte> yeh well, people are dumb like that
[14-Oct-2010 10:52:20] <aclark> w 11
[14-Oct-2010 10:52:23] <aclark> gah
[14-Oct-2010 10:53:05] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[14-Oct-2010 10:54:07] <tehhobbit> maybe a dist with a kernel compiled under the full moon by 2 naked virgins
[14-Oct-2010 10:57:48] <fus10nx> Is there any reason why my CPU aggregate reports stopped working on the 11th and i've had no data since then? I did upgrade to 3.0.2 but that was the 12th - any reason why all sites would stop reporting that
[14-Oct-2010 10:58:02] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[14-Oct-2010 11:00:32] <cgibbons> is this thing on?
[14-Oct-2010 11:02:17] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[14-Oct-2010 11:03:22] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: you suggested me to run "zencommand run -v10 -d <device>" to check how zencommand works... here is what I found in the output: http://fpaste.org/MIpI/
[14-Oct-2010 11:03:22] <sergeymasushko> so I believe something wrong there...
[14-Oct-2010 11:05:44] <mray> Another Zenoss IRC session, jplouis will be handling questions
[14-Oct-2010 11:06:08] <rmatte> rocket: long time no see
[14-Oct-2010 11:08:16] <sergeymasushko> hi to Zenoss staff. Could you please take a look at this http://fpaste.org/MIpI/ since upgrade to 3.0.2 I do not receive events from my shell script ran by zencommand. however I can see another events from the zencommand daemon. Could you suggest me what I should check there?
[14-Oct-2010 11:11:11] <rmatte> $laLoadInt1+$laLoadInt15/$laLoadInt5+sqrt(1000)
[14-Oct-2010 11:11:13] <rmatte> oops
[14-Oct-2010 11:12:06] <rocket> hey rmatte
[14-Oct-2010 11:16:29] <jplouis> sergey: so no events show up at all from zencommand?  I don't see any send errors in the log you provided.  Do you have any transforms that may be dropping the events?
[14-Oct-2010 11:17:04] <sergeymasushko> I do not use transforms...
[14-Oct-2010 11:19:15] <sergeymasushko> jplouis: from zencommand I see only events such a "bla-bla command timed out bla-bla" my script exit with status 2 if there is an error but no event appear.
[14-Oct-2010 11:19:34] <sergeymasushko> it works just fine on 2.5.4
[14-Oct-2010 11:19:45] <sergeymasushko> worked*
[14-Oct-2010 11:24:42] <sergeymasushko> also I noticed that zencatalog.log is not updating and if run "zenoss stop" it stay alive and only thing what I can do is "kill -9 <pid>". could it be relevant?
[14-Oct-2010 11:25:21] <sergeymasushko> zenoss was updated from source, OS is freebsd
[14-Oct-2010 11:27:54] <Parabola|W> good morning
[14-Oct-2010 11:28:02] <Parabola|W> And hello developers
[14-Oct-2010 11:29:38] <jplouis> sergey are you on trunk or the 3.0.x branch?
[14-Oct-2010 11:30:02] <sergeymasushko> jplouis: sorry, my fault. there is a transform... http://fpaste.org/DD0n/ but there are no relevant events: http://fpaste.org/DD0n/
[14-Oct-2010 11:32:42] <sergeymasushko> jplouis: 3.0.2
[14-Oct-2010 11:32:53] <jplouis> the debug output you provided shows that the event is being created and queued, So I'm not really sure where it is being dropped. Have you checked the event history?
[14-Oct-2010 11:34:15] <jplouis> zencatalog is a one time script.  It is supposed to be run before upgrading from 2.5.x to 3.0.x.  Once it finishes it should log a success message.
[14-Oct-2010 11:34:15] <st3v3o> Is there a way to remove a transform not using the web UI
[14-Oct-2010 11:34:29] <st3v3o> we entered a bad transform that crashed zenoss
[14-Oct-2010 11:34:57] <rmatte> st3v3o: you can't even access the zope management console?
[14-Oct-2010 11:35:07] <st3v3o> nope dude super borked it
[14-Oct-2010 11:35:16] <rmatte> can you get in to zendmd?
[14-Oct-2010 11:35:25] <rmatte> also, what the heck kind of a transform was it that it caused that?
[14-Oct-2010 11:35:56] <st3v3o> to move windows events to history if the last event time was over an hour
[14-Oct-2010 11:36:11] <st3v3o> but he didn't define all the variables…i think he copied and pasted code together
[14-Oct-2010 11:36:12] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: is there a way to template which network interfaces zenoss monitors by default?
[14-Oct-2010 11:36:28] <st3v3o> nope I can't even get into zendmd
[14-Oct-2010 11:36:31] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: what do you mean?
[14-Oct-2010 11:36:41] <rmatte> st3v3o: then you're completely hosed
[14-Oct-2010 11:36:43] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: by default, it monitors all the interfaces it finds.
[14-Oct-2010 11:36:44] <rmatte> the problem is in zope
[14-Oct-2010 11:36:54] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: which also makes a ton of rrd files by default
[14-Oct-2010 11:36:59] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: oh, there's a zProperty to ignore interfaces based on names
[14-Oct-2010 11:37:00] <cgibbons> wow
[14-Oct-2010 11:37:01] <st3v3o> yeah I get this Daemon: zopectl Error: no values for 'path'; 1 required
[14-Oct-2010 11:37:01] <st3v3o> (line 747 in file:///opt/zenoss/etc/zope.conf)
[14-Oct-2010 11:37:01] <st3v3o> For help, use /opt/zenoss/lib/python/Zope2/Startup/zopectl.py -h
[14-Oct-2010 11:37:04] <sergeymasushko> jplouis: OK. I checked event history and didn't find anything there... I removed the event transform, now it works. thanks for the point.
[14-Oct-2010 11:37:34] * sergeymasushko confused... 
[14-Oct-2010 11:37:58] <rmatte> It sounds like you might have actually deleted an object path in zope
[14-Oct-2010 11:38:06] <rmatte> can I see the transform code?
[14-Oct-2010 11:38:16] <st3v3o> sure let me find it in the logs
[14-Oct-2010 11:38:20] <rmatte> k
[14-Oct-2010 11:39:29] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: maybe the transform was dropping them rather than moving them to history
[14-Oct-2010 11:39:34] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: does that take regexes?
[14-Oct-2010 11:39:46] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: yes
[14-Oct-2010 11:39:54] <Sam-I-Am> cool, got it thx
[14-Oct-2010 11:40:06] <rmatte> the default is a regex
[14-Oct-2010 11:40:17] <rmatte> it's something like ^(name1|name2|name3)
[14-Oct-2010 11:40:27] <rmatte> which tells it to ignore any interfaces that start with those names
[14-Oct-2010 11:40:30] <st3v3o> http://pastebin.com/NZT2QSAZ
[14-Oct-2010 11:40:37] <Sam-I-Am> be even more cool if i could do it by group instead of device
[14-Oct-2010 11:40:52] <st3v3o> well I guess I can alway restore from a zenoss backup
[14-Oct-2010 11:40:53] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: sure, the events were dropped... but I do not understand why...
[14-Oct-2010 11:41:01] <st3v3o> I have one from 10pm last night that is good
[14-Oct-2010 11:41:15] <rmatte> st3v3o: you can do it by device class, but not by ground
[14-Oct-2010 11:41:17] <rmatte> group*
[14-Oct-2010 11:41:27] <rmatte> erm, that was meant for Sam-I-Am
[14-Oct-2010 11:41:28] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 11:42:18] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[14-Oct-2010 11:42:27] <rmatte> st3v3o: what version of Zenoss?
[14-Oct-2010 11:43:20] <rmatte> I'm trying to see what this transform could have possibly done to cause that...
[14-Oct-2010 11:43:49] <st3v3o> 3.0.2
[14-Oct-2010 11:44:04] <rmatte> k, just for future reference, dmd is automatically define for transforms
[14-Oct-2010 11:44:12] <st3v3o> what do you mean not by group ?
[14-Oct-2010 11:44:22] <rmatte> st3v3o: that was directed at Sam-I-Am
[14-Oct-2010 11:44:29] <rmatte> I accidentally put your name
[14-Oct-2010 11:44:42] <st3v3o> ok
[14-Oct-2010 11:44:53] <st3v3o> yeah I don't know why he definded dmd again
[14-Oct-2010 11:45:17] <rmatte> wouldn't have hurt it, it's just unncessary
[14-Oct-2010 11:45:23] <rmatte> unnecessary*
[14-Oct-2010 11:45:40] <rmatte> he didn't need to import Globals either
[14-Oct-2010 11:45:57] <st3v3o> yeah just needs time
[14-Oct-2010 11:47:04] <st3v3o> the issue is that he is calling Mins…but didn
[14-Oct-2010 11:47:08] <st3v3o> didn't define it anywhere
[14-Oct-2010 11:47:30] <sergeymasushko> one more thing... I have an event http://fpaste.org/XmTq/ what is wrong with this python expressin?
[14-Oct-2010 11:47:32] <st3v3o> under the Hours variable
[14-Oct-2010 11:47:40] <st3v3o> which still looks unneeded
[14-Oct-2010 11:47:51] <rmatte> the functions he's using...
[14-Oct-2010 11:48:20] <rmatte> he could have just done...
[14-Oct-2010 11:48:42] <rmatte> for e in dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventList():
[14-Oct-2010 11:48:44] <rmatte>     evt = dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventDetailFromStatusOrHistory(e.evid)
[14-Oct-2010 11:48:59] <rmatte> he's doing so many steps just to get that same result
[14-Oct-2010 11:49:30] <st3v3o> alright time to clean this up a little
[14-Oct-2010 11:51:29] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: checking...
[14-Oct-2010 11:51:47] <st3v3o> http://pastebin.com/dTJqJyNL
[14-Oct-2010 11:51:56] <st3v3o> ok a little cleaner I think
[14-Oct-2010 11:52:26] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: that expression looks fine
[14-Oct-2010 11:52:45] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: that is why I am confused...
[14-Oct-2010 11:53:06] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: best guess, bad RRD files
[14-Oct-2010 11:53:59] <rmatte> If it doesn't have usedBlocks to work with it's going to fail
[14-Oct-2010 11:54:05] <rmatte> same with total blocks
[14-Oct-2010 11:54:49] <rmatte> ok, back to st3v3o's transform...
[14-Oct-2010 11:55:26] <rmatte> he did define Minutes
[14-Oct-2010 11:55:36] <rmatte> #
[14-Oct-2010 11:55:36] <rmatte>  31   TimeDiff = CurrTime - epoch
[14-Oct-2010 11:55:36] <rmatte> #
[14-Oct-2010 11:55:36] <rmatte>  32   Minutes  = (TimeDiff / 60)
[14-Oct-2010 11:55:48] <st3v3o> yeah but not Min
[14-Oct-2010 11:55:55] <rmatte> yeh, just noticed that
[14-Oct-2010 11:56:00] <st3v3o> http://fpaste.org/Dm94/
[14-Oct-2010 11:56:00] <rmatte> he abbreviated it on the next line
[14-Oct-2010 11:56:01] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 11:56:06] <st3v3o> here is my newest version
[14-Oct-2010 11:56:15] <st3v3o> pastebin stopped working for me all the sudeen
[14-Oct-2010 11:56:16] <rmatte> I'm still trying to figure out how that could have hosed zope
[14-Oct-2010 11:57:04] <st3v3o> evt = dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventDetailFromStatusOrHistory(e.evid)  ….this will also get events already in history ?
[14-Oct-2010 11:57:04] <rmatte> what exactly does this transform do, auto-clear events older than an hour or something?
[14-Oct-2010 11:57:20] <rmatte> yes, hence the name
[14-Oct-2010 11:57:24] <rmatte> from status or history
[14-Oct-2010 11:57:25] <rmatte> 
[14-Oct-2010 11:57:26] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 11:57:30] <st3v3o> Just making sure 
[14-Oct-2010 11:57:37] <rmatte> hehe
[14-Oct-2010 11:57:48] <st3v3o> we only wanna search events currenlty in the event console
[14-Oct-2010 11:58:07] <rmatte> that's what for e in dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventList(): does
[14-Oct-2010 11:58:15] <rmatte> it goes through events that are currently in the event console
[14-Oct-2010 11:58:28] <st3v3o> oh failboat
[14-Oct-2010 11:58:32] <rmatte> ?
[14-Oct-2010 11:58:40] <st3v3o> I didn't read above..my bad
[14-Oct-2010 11:58:48] <rmatte> hehe
[14-Oct-2010 11:59:01] <rmatte> can you explain what this is doing?
[14-Oct-2010 11:59:08] <rmatte> clearing events older than an hour?
[14-Oct-2010 11:59:12] <st3v3o> the main goal is to remove windows events that come in from the windows event log that just hang there and never get a clear event
[14-Oct-2010 11:59:22] <rmatte> right
[14-Oct-2010 11:59:29] <rmatte> so what span of time do you want to clear them for?
[14-Oct-2010 11:59:43] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: how can I check that rrd files are bad?
[14-Oct-2010 11:59:47] <st3v3o> if they are older then an hour and the count hasn't incremented
[14-Oct-2010 12:00:23] <rmatte> k, I have a cleaner way to do that...
[14-Oct-2010 12:00:33] <st3v3o> I'm all for that
[14-Oct-2010 12:00:55] <rmatte> one sec
[14-Oct-2010 12:01:12] <Parabola|W> wow
[14-Oct-2010 12:02:02] <rmatte> evt = dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventDetailFromStatusOrHistory(e.evid)
[14-Oct-2010 12:02:02] <rmatte> pattern = '%Y/%m/%d %H:%M:%S'
[14-Oct-2010 12:02:02] <rmatte> epoch = int(time.mktime(time.strptime(evt.lastTime.split('.')[0], pattern)))
[14-Oct-2010 12:02:02] <rmatte> if time.time() - epoch > 3600:
[14-Oct-2010 12:02:02] <rmatte>     dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_deleteEvents(evt.evid)
[14-Oct-2010 12:02:06] <rmatte> that'll do what you want
[14-Oct-2010 12:02:14] <rmatte> I wrote that for my ticket creation daemon
[14-Oct-2010 12:02:27] <rmatte> it also auto-clears events older than an hour since the Zenoss mechanism for doing it is broken
[14-Oct-2010 12:02:32] <OiPolloi> Hello
[14-Oct-2010 12:02:38] <rmatte> hi
[14-Oct-2010 12:03:12] <OiPolloi> anyone has any tips for optimizing ZenOSS? I have a ZenOSS installation but it's getting really slow, specially when I do some operations like modelling a device or seeing the whole Infrastructure tree
[14-Oct-2010 12:03:29] <rmatte> oh, you must have taken that from me at some point
[14-Oct-2010 12:03:43] <rmatte> I didn't even notice you are using almost the same code
[14-Oct-2010 12:03:44] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 12:03:45] <nyeates> Oi:gotta find the bottle neck first
[14-Oct-2010 12:04:10] <nyeates> maybe its zenhub, maybe its zope....look at their cpu and mem usage and logs too....figure out where bottleneck is
[14-Oct-2010 12:04:13] <rmatte> st3v3o: but yeh, you don't need to use the variables timediff, minutes, etc... just do it the way I showed
[14-Oct-2010 12:04:59] <st3v3o> http://fpaste.org/3RMo/
[14-Oct-2010 12:04:59] <rmatte> OiPolloi: yes...
[14-Oct-2010 12:05:00] <st3v3o> so that
[14-Oct-2010 12:05:20] <rmatte> OiPolloi: docs/DOC-2521
[14-Oct-2010 12:05:52] <rmatte> st3v3o: exactly, see how simple that is? lol
[14-Oct-2010 12:05:53] <OiPolloi> oh, nice
[14-Oct-2010 12:06:01] <OiPolloi> thanks for the document
[14-Oct-2010 12:06:28] <nyeates> nice doc ryan
[14-Oct-2010 12:06:43] <rmatte> nyeates: I didn't write the whole thing, I just updated it, but thanks
[14-Oct-2010 12:06:55] <OiPolloi> i'm still using 3.0.0. do you think it's worth it upgrading to 3.0.2 (i'm afraid of latent bugs)
[14-Oct-2010 12:07:08] <rmatte> OiPolloi: very worth it, 3.0.2 addresses a lot of bugs
[14-Oct-2010 12:07:14] <mray> 3.0.2 is definitely better than 3.0.0
[14-Oct-2010 12:07:16] <rmatte> and a 3.0.3 release will be coming out
[14-Oct-2010 12:07:23] <OiPolloi> ok, will do that then.
[14-Oct-2010 12:07:25] <nyeates> yeah weve got something similar for customers.... i think we toy with putting it into docs
[14-Oct-2010 12:07:41] <willwh> hi folks 
[14-Oct-2010 12:08:42] <OiPolloi> one more thing, what do you consider to be a large zenoss installation? do you think 144 machines is a large installation? it's currently with 4 GB of RAM
[14-Oct-2010 12:09:23] <cgibbons> tiny
[14-Oct-2010 12:09:37] <mray> I've seen smaller
[14-Oct-2010 12:09:43] <OiPolloi> good 
[14-Oct-2010 12:10:03] <OiPolloi> i'm using a remote collector, but mostly because of network issues
[14-Oct-2010 12:11:13] <nyeates> 4GB should be good - unles they are swtiches with thousands of datapoints....set mysql settings to use it right
[14-Oct-2010 12:12:49] <OiPolloi> actually, mysql is not using much memory
[14-Oct-2010 12:13:00] <OiPolloi> i'd say mysql is the least of my problems
[14-Oct-2010 12:13:33] <fracBlend> hey
[14-Oct-2010 12:13:42] <fracBlend> File "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/InterfaceMap.py", line 135, in process
[14-Oct-2010 12:13:42] <fracBlend> if row['iptype'] != 1:
[14-Oct-2010 12:13:42] <fracBlend> KeyError: 'iptype'
[14-Oct-2010 12:13:50] <fracBlend> any ideas what might cause this?
[14-Oct-2010 12:14:57] <nyeates> Oi: set zope cache-size set to 50000
[14-Oct-2010 12:15:15] <nyeates> or play with the number...restarting zenoss each time
[14-Oct-2010 12:15:18] <nyeates> see how it works
[14-Oct-2010 12:15:52] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: hey, you're the guy who worked on one of my cases
[14-Oct-2010 12:16:25] <nyeates> This setting will most likely have the single biggest impact on UI performance, it is related to how many objects are in the ZEO database
[14-Oct-2010 12:16:35] <OiPolloi> nyeates: ohh, nice... let me try that
[14-Oct-2010 12:16:43] <Parabola|W> nyeates,  is there an article or white paper on that setting?
[14-Oct-2010 12:16:58] <Parabola|W> i've got a 302 install thats on a nice vmware box, single vcpu with 4gb of ram
[14-Oct-2010 12:16:59] <Parabola|W> and the UI lags
[14-Oct-2010 12:17:07] <Parabola|W> less than 200 objects being monitored
[14-Oct-2010 12:17:32] <nyeates> there is a KB article for customers....see the cool things u get when u sign up!
[14-Oct-2010 12:18:01] <Parabola|W> yeah, but honestly 25 grand is crazy for a product that cannot even monitor dynamic hosts
[14-Oct-2010 12:18:04] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: i'm the guy who griped about the userland reports not working
[14-Oct-2010 12:18:08] <Parabola|W> should have been like the 3rd thing that was added to zenoss, and it wasnt
[14-Oct-2010 12:18:15] <Parabola|W> not to be rude, i do like the product
[14-Oct-2010 12:18:22] <Parabola|W> but i have to keep a zabbix vm around just for that reason
[14-Oct-2010 12:19:39] <rmatte> Parabola|W: which dynamic components in particular?
[14-Oct-2010 12:19:53] <cgibbons> DHCP hosts?
[14-Oct-2010 12:19:56] <Parabola|W> rmatte,  i have a couple hundred small businesses and retail shops that i'd like to monitor their wan links
[14-Oct-2010 12:20:02] <Parabola|W> and alot of them their only option is att dsl
[14-Oct-2010 12:20:06] <Parabola|W> yes
[14-Oct-2010 12:20:19] <Parabola|W> and for whatever reason, the leases last about 24 hours
[14-Oct-2010 12:20:21] <rmatte> oh, I see, you mean monitor via dns
[14-Oct-2010 12:20:23] <Parabola|W> yes.
[14-Oct-2010 12:20:35] <rmatte> yeh, I agree, that's a really basic feature that should have been implemented
[14-Oct-2010 12:20:37] <Parabola|W> i found a script on the forumsfor it
[14-Oct-2010 12:20:45] <Parabola|W> but if you have any with static IP's it wipes thoes out too
[14-Oct-2010 12:20:46] <Parabola|W> so i cannot use it
[14-Oct-2010 12:20:50] <rmatte> yeh, it would be simple enough to script
[14-Oct-2010 12:20:54] <rmatte> ah
[14-Oct-2010 12:21:06] <Parabola|W> yeah theres no logic to do that apparently
[14-Oct-2010 12:21:17] <Parabola|W> what i do know is i offered to fund the development of that feature
[14-Oct-2010 12:21:17] <rmatte> you'd have to add a zProperty
[14-Oct-2010 12:21:21] <Parabola|W> and no one seemed interested
[14-Oct-2010 12:21:26] <rmatte> and have the script use that to determine if it's static or not
[14-Oct-2010 12:21:32] <rmatte> that's the only way you'd manage it
[14-Oct-2010 12:21:36] <Parabola|W> yeah
[14-Oct-2010 12:21:55] <Parabola|W> again, not trying to insult you devs, i do like the product alot
[14-Oct-2010 12:22:06] <Parabola|W> its leaps and bounds better in many many ways than the compitition
[14-Oct-2010 12:22:20] <rmatte> yeh, it is missing a few little things like that
[14-Oct-2010 12:22:33] <rmatte> also the auto-event clearing not working for Critical events is another
[14-Oct-2010 12:22:42] <rmatte> just little stuff like that which seems to never get fixed
[14-Oct-2010 12:22:43] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 12:22:48] <Parabola|W> +1
[14-Oct-2010 12:22:56] <rmatte> but oh well
[14-Oct-2010 12:22:59] <Parabola|W> we killed the conversation 
[14-Oct-2010 12:23:06] <Parabola|W> now look what you did
[14-Oct-2010 12:23:06] <rmatte> I just coded my own event clearing in to the ticket creation daemon that I wrote
[14-Oct-2010 12:23:10] <rmatte> so that's working for me for now
[14-Oct-2010 12:23:13] <Parabola|W> sweet
[14-Oct-2010 12:23:21] <Parabola|W> i'm actually looking to see if ipmonitor does WMI
[14-Oct-2010 12:23:30] <Parabola|W> i have used that product in the past, i was a big fan
[14-Oct-2010 12:23:50] <rmatte> well, I know solarwinds does WMI
[14-Oct-2010 12:23:54] <rmatte> but probably not IPMonitor
[14-Oct-2010 12:24:01] <Parabola|W> solarwinds is too pricey
[14-Oct-2010 12:24:03] <Parabola|W> iirc
[14-Oct-2010 12:24:08] <rmatte> solarwinds is a piece of junk
[14-Oct-2010 12:24:15] <rmatte> we have it at work, I absolutely hate it
[14-Oct-2010 12:24:29] <rmatte> the web interface is a nightmare to work with
[14-Oct-2010 12:24:34] <rmatte> no inherited properties
[14-Oct-2010 12:24:49] <rmatte> input fields that you have to change from True to False by typing instead of dropdowns
[14-Oct-2010 12:24:53] <rmatte> just lots of stupidities
[14-Oct-2010 12:24:57] <Parabola|W> lol
[14-Oct-2010 12:25:07] <Parabola|W> hmm
[14-Oct-2010 12:25:40] <rmatte> the only reason we have it is because it's "pretty"
[14-Oct-2010 12:26:19] <Parabola|W> uh oh
[14-Oct-2010 12:26:20] <Parabola|W> Monitor routers, switches, and servers out-of-the-box via SNMP and WMI
[14-Oct-2010 12:26:23] <Parabola|W> ipmonitor does do it
[14-Oct-2010 12:26:42] <Parabola|W> maybe ill get a trial. the last version i used was in 2008 and the install was done all wrong, notifications were bad.e.ct
[14-Oct-2010 12:26:47] <Parabola|W> so i set it up from scratch took me an afternoon
[14-Oct-2010 12:26:57] <rmatte> it runs on windows :|
[14-Oct-2010 12:27:02] <rmatte> that's another negative
[14-Oct-2010 12:27:15] <rmatte> the words windows and stability don't go together
[14-Oct-2010 12:27:25] <OiPolloi> nyeates: the ui seems a lot snappier
[14-Oct-2010 12:27:39] <rmatte> OiPolloi: yeh, it should be
[14-Oct-2010 12:27:39] <Parabola|W>  rmatte  yeah
[14-Oct-2010 12:27:45] <OiPolloi> i'll take a good look at the other optimizations on that DOC
[14-Oct-2010 12:27:48] <OiPolloi> thanks 
[14-Oct-2010 12:28:12] <rmatte> np
[14-Oct-2010 12:30:33] <klinstifen> afternoon all
[14-Oct-2010 12:30:40] <klinstifen> how do you install mibs in 3.0.2?
[14-Oct-2010 12:30:51] <rmatte> the same way as in 2.5
[14-Oct-2010 12:30:53] <klinstifen> i don't see an option in the gui to loab a MIB file
[14-Oct-2010 12:30:54] <rmatte> and 2.4
[14-Oct-2010 12:30:56] <rmatte> and 2.3
[14-Oct-2010 12:30:56] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 12:31:05] <rmatte> klinstifen: just use zenmib from the commandline
[14-Oct-2010 12:31:09] <rmatte> don't bother with the UI
[14-Oct-2010 12:31:20] <klinstifen> so uhh not the same then
[14-Oct-2010 12:31:36] <rmatte> I'm sure there's a way to do it from the UI too
[14-Oct-2010 12:31:45] <rmatte> but the commandline is the best way to do it
[14-Oct-2010 12:31:49] <rmatte> always has been
[14-Oct-2010 12:32:01] <rmatte> trust me, if I had built the Cisco Mibs pack via the UI I would have shot myself
[14-Oct-2010 12:32:21] <rmatte> just put the Mibs in a directory on the server, become the Zenoss user, and do "zenmib run *" inside the directory
[14-Oct-2010 12:33:22] <klinstifen> thx
[14-Oct-2010 12:34:31] <klinstifen> and to refresh my memory, after the mibs are loaded zenoss will start interpreting oid's correctly, right?
[14-Oct-2010 12:34:52] <rmatte> what I've noticed is that after installing new Mibs you have to restart Zenoss for them to take effect
[14-Oct-2010 12:35:05] <rmatte> and then yes, provided you have the correct Mibs installed the traps will be translated
[14-Oct-2010 12:35:45] <Parabola|W> lo
[14-Oct-2010 12:35:50] <Parabola|W> i changed the zope cache
[14-Oct-2010 12:35:53] <Parabola|W> zope no longer starts
[14-Oct-2010 12:36:05] <rmatte> Parabola|W: what did you change it to?
[14-Oct-2010 12:36:15] <Parabola|W> 25k
[14-Oct-2010 12:36:16] <rmatte> it can't be something ridiculously high or it'll exceed your memory space 
[14-Oct-2010 12:36:54] <Parabola|W> did he not say set it to 50k?
[14-Oct-2010 12:37:02] <Parabola|W>  i believe i see that in the buffer a couple min ago
[14-Oct-2010 12:37:09] <fracBlend> Anyone know how to get juniper ssg interfaces to model?
[14-Oct-2010 12:37:10] <rmatte> I have mine set as 60k on one of my servers
[14-Oct-2010 12:37:13] <rmatte> so yeh, 25k is fine
[14-Oct-2010 12:37:17] <Parabola|W> 
[14-Oct-2010 12:37:21] <rmatte> what are you seeing in zope.log?
[14-Oct-2010 12:38:39] <rmatte> I typed the "it can't be something ridiculously high" before I read your "25k"
[14-Oct-2010 12:39:06] <OiPolloi> i just set mine to 50k and it's working fine, apparently
[14-Oct-2010 12:39:49] <OiPolloi> one more thing: each time i restart zenoss, and sometimes when i'm doing something intensive, i get a few heartbeat events
[14-Oct-2010 12:39:55] <OiPolloi> is this normal?
[14-Oct-2010 12:40:05] <rmatte> OiPolloi: ignore those
[14-Oct-2010 12:40:13] <rmatte> They are basically useless since they are overly-sensitive
[14-Oct-2010 12:40:20] <rmatte> that's something that needs to be fixed
[14-Oct-2010 12:40:49] <OiPolloi> yeah, i thought it was something like that... because everything seems to be working fine, even when I get those
[14-Oct-2010 12:40:57] <rmatte> yeh, they won't affect anything
[14-Oct-2010 12:44:39] <Parabola|W> you can clear your heartbeats
[14-Oct-2010 12:44:52] <rmatte> yes, but they'll just come back
[14-Oct-2010 12:44:54] <rmatte> it's pointless
[14-Oct-2010 12:45:00] <Parabola|W> offtopic: anyone in here ever play bioshock? my fiance just finished her graphite sketch of the little sister
[14-Oct-2010 12:45:06] <Parabola|W> and she framed it
[14-Oct-2010 12:45:17] <rmatte> Parabola|W: yeh, I played it a bit
[14-Oct-2010 12:45:23] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 12:45:24] <Parabola|W> http://imgur.com/xAAd0.jpg
[14-Oct-2010 12:45:27] <Parabola|W> check it out
[14-Oct-2010 12:45:42] <rmatte> cool
[14-Oct-2010 12:46:01] <Parabola|W> yeah
[14-Oct-2010 12:46:09] <Parabola|W> shes not an artist, i think she did a pretty good job
[14-Oct-2010 12:46:16] <rmatte> yup
[14-Oct-2010 12:50:45] <Parabola|W> i told her next i wanted a big daddy 
[14-Oct-2010 12:51:07] <rmatte> hehe
[14-Oct-2010 12:53:38] <Parabola|W> wow @ 7.10 load on a single vcpu
[14-Oct-2010 12:53:39] <Parabola|W> go zenoss
[14-Oct-2010 12:53:55] <rmatte> mine never go that high 
[14-Oct-2010 12:54:37] <Parabola|W> good
[14-Oct-2010 12:56:16] <Sam-I-Am> is there a way to model more than one device at a time?
[14-Oct-2010 12:56:17] <Sam-I-Am> like, a group
[14-Oct-2010 12:56:25] <Sam-I-Am> remodel, i mean
[14-Oct-2010 12:56:36] <rmatte> in 3.0 it's simple
[14-Oct-2010 12:56:44] <rmatte> just ctrl-click on all the devices you want to remodel
[14-Oct-2010 12:56:49] <rmatte> then select to remodel them
[14-Oct-2010 12:57:40] <Sam-I-Am> thats what i thought, just not seeing where the remodel option is hiding
[14-Oct-2010 12:57:54] <rmatte> hmmm weird, hold on, let me look
[14-Oct-2010 12:58:55] <rmatte> hmmm, I could have swore there was an option for that
[14-Oct-2010 12:59:12] <rmatte> you can always just run zenmodel from the commandline
[14-Oct-2010 12:59:16] <Sam-I-Am> rue
[14-Oct-2010 12:59:18] <Sam-I-Am> true
[14-Oct-2010 12:59:49] <rmatte> I think there's an option to specify a group
[14-Oct-2010 13:00:12] <rmatte> I wish they'd just add it as a UI option
[14-Oct-2010 13:00:34] <rmatte> hmmm, you could technically add it to commands
[14-Oct-2010 13:00:40] <Sam-I-Am> i suspect it would go under 'action'
[14-Oct-2010 13:00:41] <fus10nx> Is there any reason why my CPU aggregate reports stopped working on the 11th and i've had no data since then? I did upgrade to 3.0.2 but that was the 12th - any reason why all sites would stop reporting that
[14-Oct-2010 13:00:44] <Sam-I-Am> with other related items
[14-Oct-2010 13:01:01] <Sam-I-Am> fus10nx: are they seeing their data?
[14-Oct-2010 13:01:19] <rmatte> Advanced -> Commands -> Create a new one called model, and make it run: zenmodel run -d ${device/id}
[14-Oct-2010 13:01:31] <rmatte> then you'll be able to select the devices in the group and run that command
[14-Oct-2010 13:01:36] <rmatte> which will model all of them 1 by 1
[14-Oct-2010 13:01:38] <rmatte> little workaround
[14-Oct-2010 13:05:20] <Sam-I-Am> awesome, thx
[14-Oct-2010 13:07:22] <rmatte> np
[14-Oct-2010 13:10:48] <Parabola|W> parabola's famous pro tips #23
[14-Oct-2010 13:11:02] <Parabola|W> If your zenoss VM starts running like crpa, check to make sure someone else didnt decide it only needed a GIG of ram
[14-Oct-2010 13:11:08] <Parabola|W> </protip>
[14-Oct-2010 13:11:20] <Parabola|W> crpa is crap
[14-Oct-2010 13:11:45] <imeyer> Parabola|W: do you have multi-graph reports with remote collectors?
[14-Oct-2010 13:11:51] <imeyer> rmatte too ^^
[14-Oct-2010 13:12:35] <rmatte> I don't use remote collectors in production right now
[14-Oct-2010 13:12:46] <rmatte> st3v3o: go in to zendmd
[14-Oct-2010 13:13:05] <Parabola|W> i dont do any reporting
[14-Oct-2010 13:13:09] <Parabola|W> or havent had a need yet
[14-Oct-2010 13:13:13] <imeyer> ah
[14-Oct-2010 13:13:46] <imeyer> i keep getting nan for remote devices
[14-Oct-2010 13:15:36] <Parabola|W> hm
[14-Oct-2010 13:15:45] <imeyer> but not remove devices on their own.. only if i have local/remote devices on the same graph
[14-Oct-2010 13:15:48] <imeyer> it's odd
[14-Oct-2010 13:25:35] <Parabola|W> anyone here good with expect scripting?
[14-Oct-2010 13:25:40] <Parabola|W> i need to verify that i wrote this right
[14-Oct-2010 13:26:04] <rmatte> imeyer: probably because the graphs are generated by zenrender, and zenoss isn't able to generate a graph from 2 different instances of zenrender
[14-Oct-2010 13:26:14] <rmatte> there's the remote zenrender and the local zenrender
[14-Oct-2010 13:26:22] <rmatte> you can't have them both generate 1 graph
[14-Oct-2010 13:26:44] <rmatte> so the values would have to be passed to the local zenrender somehow
[14-Oct-2010 13:26:56] <rmatte> remote collectors aren't as well supported in core as in enterprise
[14-Oct-2010 13:27:13] <imeyer> that makes perfect sense 
[14-Oct-2010 13:28:08] <imeyer> so in theory i could have an rsync job between the two
[14-Oct-2010 13:28:16] <imeyer> but, that seems weird and hacky
[14-Oct-2010 13:28:38] <rmatte> yup
[14-Oct-2010 13:29:04] <rmatte> the proper way would be to code something to allow the 2 instanced of zenrender to coordinate with each other, which is probably what they did for enterprise
[14-Oct-2010 13:29:08] <rmatte> but that's a lot of dev work
[14-Oct-2010 13:29:15] <rmatte> instances*
[14-Oct-2010 13:29:28] <imeyer> yeah
[14-Oct-2010 13:37:32] <Parabola|W> yeah back to 0.07 on load
[14-Oct-2010 13:37:43] <Parabola|W> thanks for making my VM swap like a mofo guys
[14-Oct-2010 13:37:48] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 13:38:06] <Parabola|W> would explain the horrid performance in the webui
[14-Oct-2010 13:38:12] <rmatte> yup
[14-Oct-2010 13:38:27] <Parabola|W> runs like a raped ape now
[14-Oct-2010 13:38:36] <Parabola|W> rmatte you have any expect scripts setup in your zenoss
[14-Oct-2010 13:38:45] <rmatte> nope
[14-Oct-2010 13:38:58] <Parabola|W> darn
[14-Oct-2010 13:39:00] <rmatte> why?
[14-Oct-2010 13:39:10] <Parabola|W> because mine looks like its working
[14-Oct-2010 13:39:19] <Parabola|W> but the service isnt being restart properly or somthing
[14-Oct-2010 13:39:22] <Parabola|W> so i wanted to check with someone
[14-Oct-2010 13:39:27] <Parabola|W> have a 2nd set of eyes look at it
[14-Oct-2010 13:39:33] <rmatte> well, test it manually
[14-Oct-2010 13:39:46] <rmatte> if it works manually then there's something wrong with your event manager filter for kicking off the script
[14-Oct-2010 13:40:14] <Parabola|W> nah, it says process restarted in the event manager
[14-Oct-2010 13:40:14] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: remember our conversation about interface monitoring after modeling?
[14-Oct-2010 13:40:19] <Parabola|W> i'll figure it out
[14-Oct-2010 13:40:25] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: yes
[14-Oct-2010 13:40:48] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: i'm reading your posts in message/44368#44368
[14-Oct-2010 13:41:01] <Sam-I-Am> and you mentioned zenoss wont monitor interfaces it sees operationally down
[14-Oct-2010 13:41:13] <rmatte> that was the old behaviour in 2.4
[14-Oct-2010 13:41:16] <Sam-I-Am> (this was in 2.5)
[14-Oct-2010 13:41:19] <Sam-I-Am> oh
[14-Oct-2010 13:41:22] <Sam-I-Am> theres the confusion
[14-Oct-2010 13:41:29] <rmatte> It won't monitor interfaces it sees administratively down now
[14-Oct-2010 13:41:36] <rmatte> that was re-coded between those 2 versions
[14-Oct-2010 13:42:04] <Sam-I-Am> ok that makes a bit more sense... and also explains why its monitoring a bunch of stuff thats adminup/operdown
[14-Oct-2010 13:42:29] <rmatte> monitoring stuff that's admin up honestly makes more sense
[14-Oct-2010 13:42:39] <rmatte> ports that aren't being used should be set to admin down
[14-Oct-2010 13:42:44] <rmatte> it's best practice for security reasons
[14-Oct-2010 13:42:46] <Sam-I-Am> although i'm seeing it mark stuff thats admindown/operdown as "unknown" and monitor=true
[14-Oct-2010 13:42:49] <rmatte> and it's just more organized
[14-Oct-2010 13:43:35] <rmatte> well, see, I don't know how the 3.0 interface itself handles it
[14-Oct-2010 13:43:49] <Sam-I-Am> magic
[14-Oct-2010 13:43:51] <rmatte> they could have messed it all up between 2.5 and 3.0
[14-Oct-2010 13:43:54] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 13:43:56] <Sam-I-Am> i'm trying to figure it out
[14-Oct-2010 13:45:25] <imeyer> rmatte: hm, the rsync idea is what i'm going with.. and actually works pretty well
[14-Oct-2010 13:45:34] <rmatte> cool
[14-Oct-2010 13:46:09] <rmatte> it should only show unknown if monitor is set to false
[14-Oct-2010 13:46:11] <rmatte> not true
[14-Oct-2010 13:46:38] <rmatte> eugh wtf, I'm trying to export my Mibs in to a ZenPack and it keeps bitching about concurrent access to objects
[14-Oct-2010 13:46:51] <rmatte> extremely frustrating since I stopped all of the daemons
[14-Oct-2010 13:48:26] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: it does change interfaces listed as up/down to unknown when i change monitor from true to false...
[14-Oct-2010 13:48:35] <Sam-I-Am> however, after modeling theres a lot of unknown/monitor=true
[14-Oct-2010 13:48:47] <rmatte> then that's a bug in the 3.0 interface
[14-Oct-2010 13:49:00] <rmatte> there are tons of them
[14-Oct-2010 13:49:19] <Sam-I-Am> guess i'll open a case and see if its known already... probably is
[14-Oct-2010 13:49:32] <Sam-I-Am> wont be until next week that i can run the 2.5.2 thing past management
[14-Oct-2010 14:21:45] <robo_> hi: i'd like to know what date and time a server is unavailable. Is there some report or graph that can show this? I have a device that has 99.45% availability and i'd like to narrow this down to a date/time so I can investigate.
[14-Oct-2010 14:24:55] <Sam-I-Am> i suspect some form of report
[14-Oct-2010 14:29:07] <rmatte> robo_ just search for all of the ip down events in the event console for that device
[14-Oct-2010 14:31:30] <Sam-I-Am> or that...
[14-Oct-2010 14:32:39] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: have you messed with event transforms in 3?  i'm working on interface polling.. got the event class /status/ipinterface configured... but i cant get the eventclass mapping to work (no eventkey in event?)
[14-Oct-2010 14:33:12] <Sam-I-Am> just trying to make the error message from the threshold a little more human readable as per the posts about interface polling
[14-Oct-2010 14:33:46] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: Did you set the right event class for the thresholds?
[14-Oct-2010 14:33:57] <rmatte> The threshold events should come in as /Status/IpInterface
[14-Oct-2010 14:34:04] <Sam-I-Am>  /status/ipinterface
[14-Oct-2010 14:34:05] <rmatte> and you should apply the transform on the class itself
[14-Oct-2010 14:34:07] <rmatte> not in a mapping
[14-Oct-2010 14:34:09] <Sam-I-Am> the events are in the right place
[14-Oct-2010 14:34:12] <Sam-I-Am> hmm...
[14-Oct-2010 14:34:13] <rmatte> so the eventclasskey is irrelevent
[14-Oct-2010 14:34:35] <rmatte> you created an event mapping?
[14-Oct-2010 14:34:39] <rmatte> if you did, that's wrong
[14-Oct-2010 14:35:15] <Sam-I-Am> this seems odd in 3
[14-Oct-2010 14:35:30] <Sam-I-Am> so i created an event /status/ipinterface
[14-Oct-2010 14:35:41] <Sam-I-Am> the threshold events get tossed into it correctly
[14-Oct-2010 14:35:47] <rmatte> ok, first off it's case sensitive
[14-Oct-2010 14:35:55] <rmatte> so it had better be /Status/IpInterface
[14-Oct-2010 14:35:56] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, i lost my shift key on irc
[14-Oct-2010 14:35:59] <rmatte> not ipinterface
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:08] <rmatte> then you need to navigate in to that class
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:11] <Sam-I-Am> they're getting categorized properly
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:14] <rmatte> then in the bottom left hand menu
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:17] <rmatte> at the very bottom right
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:25] <rmatte> select transform
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:32] <rmatte> put it in there
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:42] <rmatte> if evt.summary.startswith('threshold of operational status '):
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:42] <rmatte>     if evt.severity > 0:
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:42] <rmatte>         evt.summary = "interface operationally down"
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:42] <rmatte>         evt.message = "interface operationally down"
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:42] <rmatte>     else:
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:43] <rmatte>         evt.summary = "interface operationally up"
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:43] <rmatte>         evt.message = "interface operationally up"
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:48] <Sam-I-Am> oh sweet, the sysadmin just blew my VM up
[14-Oct-2010 14:36:53] <rmatte> nice
[14-Oct-2010 14:37:43] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, seems something big failed here
[14-Oct-2010 14:38:42] <newmon> G'morning everyone
[14-Oct-2010 14:39:05] <rmatte> hey
[14-Oct-2010 14:39:28] <rmatte> I said "at the very bottom right" I meant "at the very bottom left"
[14-Oct-2010 14:39:37] <rmatte> If you ever get your VM unexploded
[14-Oct-2010 14:39:39] <robo_> rmatte, you said to search the event console -- that has nothing. I think the event was so small that it didn't log to the console?
[14-Oct-2010 14:39:51] <rmatte> robo_: the event history bud
[14-Oct-2010 14:39:57] <robo_> hmm, is that in the gui?
[14-Oct-2010 14:40:01] <rmatte> the link for event history is in the bottom right of the event console
[14-Oct-2010 14:40:03] <rmatte> or bottom left
[14-Oct-2010 14:40:05] <robo_> o
[14-Oct-2010 14:40:07] <rmatte> I forget where it is in 3.0
[14-Oct-2010 14:40:21] <rmatte> I think there's a link on the top bar for it possibly
[14-Oct-2010 14:40:29] <rmatte> "Event History"
[14-Oct-2010 14:40:44] <rmatte> then you need to change the last time date to what you want to see back to
[14-Oct-2010 14:40:57] <rmatte> there have to be events there because that's how the availability is calculated
[14-Oct-2010 14:41:12] <rmatte> it scrapes the event database for ip down events and uses those to calculate the availability
[14-Oct-2010 14:41:18] <cgibbons> hum
[14-Oct-2010 14:41:30] <robo_> rmatte, it isn't showing anything :-/
[14-Oct-2010 14:41:31] <newmon> I was online last week to get help working on the JMX monitoring for Java. I eventually got it to work! Many thanks to Xuru the Java Guru!!
[14-Oct-2010 14:41:43] <rmatte> robo_: you're positive that you're in the event console?
[14-Oct-2010 14:41:47] <rmatte> and you're in event history
[14-Oct-2010 14:41:53] <rmatte> not just viewing current events?
[14-Oct-2010 14:42:00] <newmon> Xuru-- when you have a sec, i would like to walk through the last steps to get it to work
[14-Oct-2010 14:42:22] <robo_> ah, i found it rmatte. Ty for your help!
[14-Oct-2010 14:42:26] <rmatte> np
[14-Oct-2010 14:43:10] <ericenns> anyone monitoring a md3000i with zenoss
[14-Oct-2010 14:43:21] <ericenns> Dell md3000i
[14-Oct-2010 14:43:28] <rmatte> ericenns: noop
[14-Oct-2010 14:43:55] <slank> I'm including some zProperties in a command template, but I'd like them hidden in the event output. Any way to do that?
[14-Oct-2010 14:44:40] <rmatte> slank: you'd have to write an event transform using regex to strip them out, and you could only strip them out based on their position in the string really.
[14-Oct-2010 14:44:57] <rmatte> slank: there's no simple way to do it
[14-Oct-2010 14:44:59] <Parabola|W> ericenns,  no but i have one that i would like to monitor
[14-Oct-2010 14:45:34] <slank> rmatte: That's perfect. Someone else mentioned an event transform but I can't find any mention of that in the docs.
[14-Oct-2010 14:46:49] <newmon> general question here: What is the best way to plan for resources when building a zenoss server. I will be monitoring only about 300 devices (network/server) in 3 different locations (NY, 2 SF Bay Area Cities). I need to purchase a machine that can handle the load and scale if needed
[14-Oct-2010 14:47:00] <rmatte> slank: I'm sure there's info about them in the docs
[14-Oct-2010 14:47:07] <rmatte> slank: google around as well, there's info all over the place
[14-Oct-2010 14:47:23] <rmatte> slank: an event transform is just a small python script to manipulate an event
[14-Oct-2010 14:47:37] <rmatte> slank: docs/DOC-2554
[14-Oct-2010 14:47:38] <newmon> im thinking 4GB RAM, RAID 1- 40gb sas drives, x64, intel 3.0Ghz cpu (2 sockets)
[14-Oct-2010 14:47:57] <Parabola|W> ericenns,  im working on that now
[14-Oct-2010 14:48:03] <slank> rmatte: Ah thanks. I'm not sure how I missed that.
[14-Oct-2010 14:48:13] <ericenns> Parabola|W: oh yeah sweet
[14-Oct-2010 14:48:22] <ericenns> Parabola|W: Let me know how it goes
[14-Oct-2010 14:48:28] <rmatte> np
[14-Oct-2010 14:49:52] <Parabola|W> will do
[14-Oct-2010 14:54:07] <Parabola|W> god i hate dell
[14-Oct-2010 14:54:10] <Parabola|W> open the MIB readme
[14-Oct-2010 14:54:11] <Parabola|W> Please refer to the PowerVault MD3000 documentation for information on the DellMDStorageArray SNMP MIB.
[14-Oct-2010 14:54:34] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 14:55:09] <Parabola|W> i was wondering why the readme was so small
[14-Oct-2010 14:55:20] <ericenns> haha yeah lol I tried to find the mibs and couldn't at the moment
[14-Oct-2010 14:56:36] <Parabola|W> np
[14-Oct-2010 14:56:41] <Parabola|W> ill take a look and let you know
[14-Oct-2010 15:03:21] <kedavra> hi, can you help me with configuring events? i want to disable alarms for one device, when the other is down. how can i do it with event class Transform?
[14-Oct-2010 15:04:35] <Parabola|W> woo
[14-Oct-2010 15:04:38] <Parabola|W> ericenns,  i found the MIB
[14-Oct-2010 15:05:08] <ericenns> oh ok
[14-Oct-2010 15:05:31] <Parabola|W> program files \ dell \ md storage manager \ client \dellmdstoragearray.mib
[14-Oct-2010 15:05:46] <ericenns> oh ok
[14-Oct-2010 15:08:00] <Parabola|W> lol @ me
[14-Oct-2010 15:08:05] <Parabola|W> i dont even know what to do with this file
[14-Oct-2010 15:08:36] <ericenns> haha do a zenmib something on it
[14-Oct-2010 15:08:44] <ericenns> on the zenoss server'
[14-Oct-2010 15:09:09] <Parabola|W> lol k
[14-Oct-2010 15:09:11] <Parabola|W> lemme upload it
[14-Oct-2010 15:11:36] <Parabola|W> lots of unalbe to parse information
[14-Oct-2010 15:11:38] <Parabola|W> skipping
[14-Oct-2010 15:11:59] <Parabola|W> woo
[14-Oct-2010 15:12:02] <ericenns> hmm
[14-Oct-2010 15:12:05] <Parabola|W> wonder if dell would care if i made a zenpack out of this
[14-Oct-2010 15:12:21] <Parabola|W> nah it worked
[14-Oct-2010 15:12:34] <Parabola|W> its a generic MIB
[14-Oct-2010 15:14:10] <Parabola|W> retarded question, how do i use this mib now that its installed /loaded
[14-Oct-2010 15:14:16] <Parabola|W> i looked under templates i dont see it
[14-Oct-2010 15:16:33] <xuru> newmon: hey!  Just got back from a long lunch
[14-Oct-2010 15:16:34] <ericenns> The mib will translat snmp traps
[14-Oct-2010 15:17:23] <ericenns> also it is under Advanced Mibs in zenoss 3.0.x
[14-Oct-2010 15:18:13] <Parabola|W> yeah i saw it there
[14-Oct-2010 15:19:35] <Parabola|W> so its not going to pull any data
[14-Oct-2010 15:19:42] <Parabola|W> its just if the device sends one of thoes events
[14-Oct-2010 15:19:42] <ericenns> ok well if you look at that it should show the oid's
[14-Oct-2010 15:19:44] <fus10nx> Is there any reason why my CPU aggregate reports stopped working on the 11th and i've had no data since then? I did upgrade to 3.0.2 but that was the 12th - any reason why all sites would stop reporting that
[14-Oct-2010 15:19:45] <Parabola|W> it will know what to do with it
[14-Oct-2010 15:19:51] <Parabola|W> it does show oids
[14-Oct-2010 15:21:09] <ericenns> ok well if you wanted to make a template you would have to use those oid's manually
[14-Oct-2010 15:21:17] <Parabola|W> okay
[14-Oct-2010 15:21:36] <Parabola|W> forgive my ignorance, but this isnt going to allow it to pull any data from the device via snmp is it
[14-Oct-2010 15:21:43] <Parabola|W> these are just there for alerts that get sent to the trap
[14-Oct-2010 15:21:54] <Parabola|W> and the MIB just tells zenoss how to interprate?
[14-Oct-2010 15:22:18] <ericenns> yes that is correct
[14-Oct-2010 15:22:24] <Parabola|W> okay, that was my confusion
[14-Oct-2010 15:22:30] <Parabola|W> so theres no need to make a template, correct?
[14-Oct-2010 15:22:39] <ericenns> no need for a template
[14-Oct-2010 15:22:41] <Parabola|W> as long as the MIB is loaded, if the event occurs, it will notify us
[14-Oct-2010 15:22:43] <Parabola|W> okay cool
[14-Oct-2010 15:22:55] <ericenns> as long as you set the md to send snmp traps
[14-Oct-2010 15:23:39] <Parabola|W> yup
[14-Oct-2010 15:23:55] <ericenns> yes
[14-Oct-2010 15:25:25] <Parabola|W> cool i made a zenpack so i have it next time i need it 
[14-Oct-2010 15:25:42] <xuru> anyone use WMI to model there windows servers?  I keep getting a ton of "Could not get WMI Instance" events, even though I can do it using wmic just fine (or test it from the data source)
[14-Oct-2010 15:25:49] <ericenns> haha ok cool sumbit it into the contest lol
[14-Oct-2010 15:26:17] <Parabola|W> lol why would anyone want it
[14-Oct-2010 15:26:21] <Parabola|W> they could just import the mib
[14-Oct-2010 15:26:26] <Parabola|W> xuru: i do
[14-Oct-2010 15:26:37] <Parabola|W> and yes, thoes show up for me as well
[14-Oct-2010 15:26:39] <Parabola|W> i just ignore them honestly
[14-Oct-2010 15:26:51] <Parabola|W> sometimes when it polls it doesnt work, but its random at best
[14-Oct-2010 15:28:09] <Parabola|W> hmm, give me an egg right now zenoss
[14-Oct-2010 15:31:12] <fus10nx> Why the hell isn't this damn report working?!
[14-Oct-2010 15:31:37] <Parabola|W> 
[14-Oct-2010 15:31:53] <Parabola|W> ooh i know
[14-Oct-2010 15:31:55] <Parabola|W> because reports are stupid
[14-Oct-2010 15:32:09] <Parabola|W> ericenns,  did you already import the mib
[14-Oct-2010 15:34:11] <ericenns> yes I did import the mib
[14-Oct-2010 15:36:49] <Parabola|W> boss
[14-Oct-2010 15:36:59] <Parabola|W> did you look at it, says last modified 2005
[14-Oct-2010 15:39:43] <kedavra> anyone?
[14-Oct-2010 15:41:07] <fus10nx> well they were working fine
[14-Oct-2010 15:42:10] <fus10nx> its literally just stopped on the 12th, all aggregated reports stopped on the 11th
[14-Oct-2010 15:42:10] <fus10nx> wtf
[14-Oct-2010 15:42:19] <fus10nx> except network output/input
[14-Oct-2010 15:44:40] <rmatte> http://dmon.org/downloads/zenoss/zenpacks/ZenPacks.community.FormulaDataSource-1.3.egg
[14-Oct-2010 15:44:52] <rmatte> There's my formula data source pack if anyone's interested
[14-Oct-2010 15:45:09] <rmatte> It's tested and working in 2.5 and 3.0
[14-Oct-2010 15:45:34] <fus10nx> rmatte: any idea why all aggregated reports would just stop working for the past few das ?
[14-Oct-2010 15:45:36] <fus10nx> days*
[14-Oct-2010 15:45:43] <rmatte> fus10nx: no idea
[14-Oct-2010 15:46:09] <rmatte> is the actual data available on the devices?
[14-Oct-2010 15:46:45] <rmatte> ...and have you tried restarting Zenoss?
[14-Oct-2010 15:47:42] <Parabola|W> hmm
[14-Oct-2010 15:47:55] <Parabola|W> rmatte, if i have snmp trap setup for a device
[14-Oct-2010 15:48:03] <Parabola|W> but i have snmp monitor turned off for that device
[14-Oct-2010 15:48:09] <Parabola|W> when an alert is thrown and the crap is sent to zenoss
[14-Oct-2010 15:48:13] <Parabola|W> will it ignore it?
[14-Oct-2010 15:48:43] <Parabola|W> i guess what im asking is for that MIB pack to work, do i need snmpmonitorignore set to false?
[14-Oct-2010 15:48:49] <wvcain> Different ports.  SNMP gets are 161 and traps fly on 162
[14-Oct-2010 15:48:51] <Parabola|W> i would test it, but its my SAN
[14-Oct-2010 15:48:54] <Parabola|W> oh okay cool
[14-Oct-2010 15:49:04] <rmatte> no, it won't ignore it
[14-Oct-2010 15:49:16] <rmatte> anything that's sent to zenoss is received, even by devices that you don't have in zenoss
[14-Oct-2010 15:49:20] <rmatte> same goes for syslogs
[14-Oct-2010 15:49:31] <rmatte> you can obviously create rules to prevent that if it were an issue
[14-Oct-2010 15:49:43] <wvcain> Zenoss should continue to listen for traps.  Also if you load the mibs you will get meaningful names for the traps, not just a strange number.
[14-Oct-2010 15:50:15] <Parabola|W> awesome
[14-Oct-2010 15:50:15] <rmatte> yeh, load the mibs and restart Zenoss after you've loaded them
[14-Oct-2010 15:50:34] <Parabola|W> kk
[14-Oct-2010 15:51:10] <kedavra> how can i find an existing event from event transform of other device?
[14-Oct-2010 15:53:03] <rmatte> kedavra:
[14-Oct-2010 15:53:09] <rmatte> for e in dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventList():
[14-Oct-2010 15:53:10] <rmatte>     oevt = dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventDetailFromStatusOrHistory(e.evid)
[14-Oct-2010 15:53:18] <rmatte> oevt will be like evt for each other event
[14-Oct-2010 15:53:24] <rmatte> then you can check stuff
[14-Oct-2010 15:53:36] <rmatte> like if oevt.summary == "whatever"
[14-Oct-2010 15:53:50] <kedavra> rmatte: no other way in 3.0. ?
[14-Oct-2010 15:53:54] <rmatte> no
[14-Oct-2010 15:53:59] <rmatte> that's the way you have to do it
[14-Oct-2010 15:54:09] <rmatte> transforms are python
[14-Oct-2010 15:54:17] <rmatte> that's the python functions for accessing events
[14-Oct-2010 15:54:30] <kedavra> rmatte: thank you :), i had a problem, because did not use for .. in ..
[14-Oct-2010 15:54:41] * rmatte nods
[14-Oct-2010 15:54:41] <Sam-I-Am> wow, that was a huge mess
[14-Oct-2010 15:54:50] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: finally got it cleaned up?
[14-Oct-2010 15:55:03] <Sam-I-Am> one of the admins managed to set all of the access ports on the server switch to tagged only
[14-Oct-2010 15:55:33] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 16:00:23] <fus10nx> Sam-I-Am: you were trying to speak w/ me earlier regarding my issues w/ the aggregated reports - any further ideas?
[14-Oct-2010 16:13:27] <wvcain> Want to use the hp monitor zenpack to monitor a Suse server on HP, of course.
[14-Oct-2010 16:14:13] <wvcain> Installed zenpack the zenpacks but no joy.
[14-Oct-2010 16:14:41] <wvcain> How to check that the server is working ok, that it is responding.  Is there an OID or a command.
[14-Oct-2010 16:16:46] <rmatte> If you're monitoring it with SNMP you'd get an SNMP Agent Down event if snmp stopped working
[14-Oct-2010 16:22:34] <xuru> quadro_: I'm getting an snmp trap from a printer, how do I get the event to be a bit more verbose and tell me something other then an OID?
[14-Oct-2010 16:23:33] <wvcain> I have snmp running on the box.  but the oid (1.3.6.1.4.1.232.6.2.9.3.1.7) doesn't walk.  Note this is capacity used.  Looks like the suse instance isn't responding.
[14-Oct-2010 16:23:50] <wvcain> snmpwalk bla bla system works.
[14-Oct-2010 16:24:47] <rmatte> well, all I know is that those HP management cards need some sort of SNMP forwarding configured on them
[14-Oct-2010 16:25:00] <rmatte> so that they forwards polls for the OS SNMP info but also for their own info
[14-Oct-2010 16:25:06] <rmatte> and I'm not even sure that can work with Linux
[14-Oct-2010 16:25:11] <rmatte> but I've never set one up first hand
[14-Oct-2010 16:25:18] <rmatte> you need to look at the settings on the card
[14-Oct-2010 16:25:23] <wvcain> yep... makes sense... will let you know the results.
[14-Oct-2010 16:25:41] <rmatte> k
[14-Oct-2010 16:26:12] <ballison> ls
[14-Oct-2010 16:26:29] <ballison> can someone here point me to the docs for how to make my own command to collect data into zenoss?
[14-Oct-2010 16:26:35] <ballison> i just need an example
[14-Oct-2010 16:26:56] <rmatte> ballison: an example of what, the output of the command?
[14-Oct-2010 16:27:01] <rmatte> or on how to setup the datasource?
[14-Oct-2010 16:27:39] <rmatte> the basics are that you create a command datasource in your template
[14-Oct-2010 16:27:49] <rmatte> then under the datasource you create 1 or more datapoints
[14-Oct-2010 16:27:54] <rmatte> and you configure the command that you want to run
[14-Oct-2010 16:28:45] <wvcain> Found a snmp rpm.  I only installed the cmd line version of the tools.
[14-Oct-2010 16:28:50] <rmatte> you can pass things to the command such as "/path/to/script '${here/manageIp}' '${here/zWhatever}'
[14-Oct-2010 16:28:52] <wvcain> hp-snmp-agents-8.6.0.18-17.sles10.x86_64.rpm
[14-Oct-2010 16:29:12] <rmatte> then let's say you created 2 datapoints under the datasource called dataPoint1 and dataPoint2
[14-Oct-2010 16:29:20] <rmatte> your script would need to output like...
[14-Oct-2010 16:29:33] <rmatte> |dataPoint1=27 dataPoint2=879
[14-Oct-2010 16:29:45] <rmatte> and those values will be applied to their respecting datapoints
[14-Oct-2010 16:29:47] <rmatte> is that clear?
[14-Oct-2010 16:32:47] <ballison> not really - but i have more details from the user now
[14-Oct-2010 16:32:52] <ballison> here's what he wants
[14-Oct-2010 16:33:06] <ballison> you get an alert into Zenoss and rather than page someone he wants to run a remote command FIRST
[14-Oct-2010 16:33:14] <ballison> if the command fixes the problem then clear the event
[14-Oct-2010 16:33:17] <ballison> else page someone.
[14-Oct-2010 16:33:30] <ballison> so the question is - how do we respond to an alart by running a remote.
[14-Oct-2010 16:39:27] <Sam-I-Am> fus10nx: what was it you were trying to show? aggregate cpu?
[14-Oct-2010 16:41:09] * Sam-I-Am got blown off course this afternoon with things breaking
[14-Oct-2010 16:41:28] <rmatte> ballison: Event Manager
[14-Oct-2010 16:42:11] <rmatte> Events -> Event Manager -> Commands
[14-Oct-2010 16:42:31] <rmatte> If you're running a remote command you'll have to do it with an expect script or something
[14-Oct-2010 16:42:44] <rmatte> example of a command...
[14-Oct-2010 16:43:10] <rmatte> /mspfiles/scripts/create_ticket.pl -autonotify -customer 'customer-00000' -device '${dev/id}' -deviceIP '${dev/manageIp}' -collector `hostname -f` -first '${evt/firstTime}' -last '${evt/lastTime}' -count '${evt/count}' -summary '${evt/summary}' -noteTitle 'System Monitor Error' -note '${evt/message}' -severity '${evt/severity}' -group '${evt/DeviceGroups}' -impact '${evt/DevicePriority}' -component '${evt/component}' -queue 'Front Line' >> ~/APIOutput.txt
[14-Oct-2010 16:43:22] <rmatte> you can pass event properties to the command when it's executed
[14-Oct-2010 16:44:24] <Sam-I-Am> creating tickets off alerts? thats pretty cool
[14-Oct-2010 16:44:37] <rmatte> well, we have a much fancier way to do it now
[14-Oct-2010 16:44:42] <rmatte> I wrote a whole daemon to do it
[14-Oct-2010 16:44:49] <rmatte> that was the old way that we were doing it
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:10] <Sam-I-Am> showoff 
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:15] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:21] <fus10nx> ANd i realize now my Uptime isnt being shown and it was before in 3.0.1
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:22] <fus10nx> wtf
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:33] <Sam-I-Am> fus10nx: thats an snmp deal
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:36] <kedavra> rmatte: are you aware about any issues with using event transform with 3.0.2? i've added the following rule, and no more events appear for the device. it is very odd
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:37] <kedavra> for e in dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventList():
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:37] <kedavra>     check_event = dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventDetailFromStatusOrHistory(e.evid)
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:37] <kedavra>     if check_event.summary == "whatever"
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:37] <kedavra>         evt.eventState = 2 # suppressed
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:37] <kedavra> are there any problems with syntax i used or whitespaces?
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:45] <rmatte> fus10nx: make sure you actually have the sysUptime datasource in the templates for your devices
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:47] <fus10nx> Sam-I-Am: well it was working fine
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:57] <rmatte> It's in the standard "Devices" template at the root level
[14-Oct-2010 16:45:58] <fus10nx> yea i had it in there before why would it have been removed
[14-Oct-2010 16:46:00] <rmatte> make sure that is bound
[14-Oct-2010 16:46:08] <fus10nx> everything is in /Servers/Windows
[14-Oct-2010 16:46:09] <Sam-I-Am> fus10nx: is it showing up as a data point?
[14-Oct-2010 16:46:12] <rmatte> maybe the binding was affected or something
[14-Oct-2010 16:46:13] <fus10nx> no
[14-Oct-2010 16:46:29] <fus10nx> ok ill take a look - what am i look for?
[14-Oct-2010 16:46:41] <Sam-I-Am> see if theres a datapoint in the /device template for sysuptime
[14-Oct-2010 16:46:57] <rmatte> fus10nx: I see the uptime in my 3.0.2 install
[14-Oct-2010 16:47:05] <rmatte> so it has to be a settings issue
[14-Oct-2010 16:47:10] <fus10nx> cpuPercentProcessorTime - memoryAvailableKBytes - memoryPagesPerSec - sysUpTime
[14-Oct-2010 16:47:22] <fus10nx> for Data Sources
[14-Oct-2010 16:47:29] <fus10nx> Device template is /Server/Windows
[14-Oct-2010 16:47:30] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: found my issue with the event transform... working now. thx.
[14-Oct-2010 16:47:40] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: cool, what was it?
[14-Oct-2010 16:47:55] <Sam-I-Am> me not seeing the settings icon way in the lower left corner
[14-Oct-2010 16:48:04] <rmatte> right
[14-Oct-2010 16:48:11] <rmatte> that's what I was saying lol
[14-Oct-2010 16:48:18] <rmatte> 
[14-Oct-2010 16:48:33] <fus10nx> If I go to 'edit data point' - read only is checked
[14-Oct-2010 16:48:46] <rmatte> read only, that's weird
[14-Oct-2010 16:48:49] <fus10nx> maybe the upgrade got botched and I should do a fresh install ?
[14-Oct-2010 16:48:54] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: yeah... and then everything on the server switch broke lol
[14-Oct-2010 16:49:07] <rmatte> fus10nx: I doubt you need a fresh install just for that
[14-Oct-2010 16:49:11] <fus10nx> ok...
[14-Oct-2010 16:49:57] <Sam-I-Am> fus10nx: double clicking on the data point says read only?
[14-Oct-2010 16:50:00] <rmatte> read only being checked is normal
[14-Oct-2010 16:50:03] <fus10nx> yea
[14-Oct-2010 16:50:19] <fus10nx> Enabled is checked
[14-Oct-2010 16:50:23] <fus10nx> and I can do Test Against a Device
[14-Oct-2010 16:50:27] <Sam-I-Am> oh, i see where you're talking about
[14-Oct-2010 16:50:29] <Sam-I-Am> thats normal
[14-Oct-2010 16:50:55] <Sam-I-Am> does testing pull the right data?
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:12] <fus10nx> Preparing Command...
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:12] <fus10nx> Executing command snmpwalk -cpublic -v1 5.1.12.13 1.3.6.1.2.1.1.3.0 against 5.54.126.193
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:12] <fus10nx> DISMAN-EVENT-MIB::sysUpTimeInstance = Timeticks: (3891198) 10:48:31.98
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:12] <fus10nx> DONE in 0 seconds
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:22] <rmatte> is it missing for all devices or just some?
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:26] <fus10nx> all
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:29] <rmatte> is there any other snmp data missing?
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:32] <rmatte> or just the uptime?
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:34] <fus10nx> yea
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:36] <kedavra> =( event transform doesn't work for me, no more new events appear
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:37] <fus10nx> cpu report
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:38] <fus10nx> memory
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:51] <rmatte> can you literally not see the cpy or memory performance graphs for any devices?
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:52] <fus10nx> cpu percent
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:57] <rmatte> cpu*
[14-Oct-2010 16:51:58] <fus10nx> nope
[14-Oct-2010 16:52:11] <rmatte> so effectively all SNMP is not working
[14-Oct-2010 16:52:12] <fus10nx> if i click on cpu utilization i see stuff
[14-Oct-2010 16:52:23] <rmatte> ?
[14-Oct-2010 16:52:26] <fus10nx> well im geting errors when something stops like a service
[14-Oct-2010 16:52:29] <fus10nx> so its still communicating
[14-Oct-2010 16:52:35] <fus10nx> would 3.0.2 overwrite my snmpd.conf?
[14-Oct-2010 16:52:44] <rmatte> no
[14-Oct-2010 16:52:50] <rmatte> zenoss has nothing to do with net-snmp
[14-Oct-2010 16:52:53] <rmatte> it'll never touch that
[14-Oct-2010 16:52:53] <fus10nx> k
[14-Oct-2010 16:53:09] <fus10nx> if i go to aggregate reports, all the data stops on the 11t
[14-Oct-2010 16:53:12] <rmatte> that's like asking if apache will overwrite your vsftpd.conf lol
[14-Oct-2010 16:53:13] <fus10nx> 11th*
[14-Oct-2010 16:53:16] <fus10nx> was working fine
[14-Oct-2010 16:53:24] <rmatte> hmmm
[14-Oct-2010 16:53:30] <fus10nx> want me to send a screen shot?
[14-Oct-2010 16:53:39] <rmatte> you could try clearing out $ZENHOME/perf/Devices
[14-Oct-2010 16:53:42] <fus10nx> network output/input is still working
[14-Oct-2010 16:53:47] <rmatte> maybe your RRD files are screwed
[14-Oct-2010 16:53:50] <fus10nx> and then re-adding all my devices?
[14-Oct-2010 16:53:53] <rmatte> no
[14-Oct-2010 16:54:06] <rmatte> just delete the directories in $ZENHOME/perf/Devices
[14-Oct-2010 16:54:22] <rmatte> they'll get recreated automatically if zenperfsnmp is running properly
[14-Oct-2010 16:54:32] <Sam-I-Am> zenoss may be logging something about the problem
[14-Oct-2010 16:54:38] <Sam-I-Am> either in zenperfsnmp log or event log
[14-Oct-2010 16:54:55] <rmatte> well, you can always try "zenperfsnmp run -v10"
[14-Oct-2010 16:54:58] <rmatte> as the zenoss user
[14-Oct-2010 16:55:02] <fus10nx> ok
[14-Oct-2010 16:55:02] <rmatte> and see if you can spot any errors
[14-Oct-2010 16:55:07] <fus10nx> and how do i login as the zenoss user again?
[14-Oct-2010 16:55:17] <rmatte> login with an account that has root access
[14-Oct-2010 16:55:23] <rmatte> then do: sudo su - zenoss
[14-Oct-2010 16:55:35] <rmatte> by root access I mean sudo access
[14-Oct-2010 16:55:45] <rmatte> or login as root and just do: su - zenoss
[14-Oct-2010 16:55:49] <rmatte> both ways work
[14-Oct-2010 16:56:11] <fus10nx> hmmmm
[14-Oct-2010 16:56:44] <fus10nx> ok ive run that
[14-Oct-2010 16:57:01] <rmatte> look for any errors
[14-Oct-2010 16:57:29] <rmatte> you could specify a certain device to shorten the output
[14-Oct-2010 16:57:30] <fus10nx> my screen doesnt scroll that far 
[14-Oct-2010 16:57:35] <rmatte> zenperfsnmp run -v10 -d devicename
[14-Oct-2010 16:57:52] <rmatte> and you could pipe it to more or less
[14-Oct-2010 16:57:55] <rmatte> zenperfsnmp run -v10 -d devicename | more
[14-Oct-2010 16:57:57] <rmatte> zenperfsnmp run -v10 -d devicename | less
[14-Oct-2010 16:58:27] <fus10nx> lots of debug and info
[14-Oct-2010 16:58:29] <fus10nx> no error
[14-Oct-2010 16:59:17] <fus10nx> oh wait
[14-Oct-2010 16:59:23] <fus10nx> is there anyway to parse this output to a file?
[14-Oct-2010 16:59:31] <rmatte> you can just do...
[14-Oct-2010 16:59:40] <rmatte> zenperfsnmp run -v10 -d devicename 2> file.txt
[14-Oct-2010 16:59:57] <fus10nx> well how can i do device name if this is for all devices? dont i want the whole thing
[14-Oct-2010 17:00:17] <rmatte> -d has it only run against 1 device
[14-Oct-2010 17:00:31] <rmatte> if you want the entire output just do: zenperfsnmp run -v10 2> file.txt
[14-Oct-2010 17:00:32] <Sam-I-Am> for testing, 1 is good
[14-Oct-2010 17:00:56] <rmatte> obviously replace devicename with the name of a device if you're using the -d option
[14-Oct-2010 17:01:15] <fus10nx> yea
[14-Oct-2010 17:01:17] <fus10nx> but theres no errors
[14-Oct-2010 17:01:33] <Sam-I-Am> kedavra: where did you put this transform?
[14-Oct-2010 17:01:49] <Sam-I-Am> kedavra: and were events getting classified fine before?
[14-Oct-2010 17:01:53] <rmatte> fus10nx: ok, so just delete the RRD files like I said
[14-Oct-2010 17:02:03] <kedavra> Sam-I-Am: editEventClassTransform
[14-Oct-2010 17:02:04] <fus10nx> will that do any more further damange ?
[14-Oct-2010 17:02:05] <rmatte> delete all the directories in $ZENHOME/perf/Devices
[14-Oct-2010 17:02:10] <rmatte> and then wait for them to be recreated
[14-Oct-2010 17:02:16] <rmatte> and see if that solves the problem
[14-Oct-2010 17:02:22] <rmatte> you'll obviously lose all your data
[14-Oct-2010 17:02:31] <rmatte> you could move the RRDs somewhere rather than deleting them
[14-Oct-2010 17:02:33] <rmatte> up to you
[14-Oct-2010 17:02:51] <rmatte> and no, it won't do any more damage
[14-Oct-2010 17:02:52] <kedavra> Sam-I-Am: yeah. they worked before upgade
[14-Oct-2010 17:02:55] <fus10nx> ill try
[14-Oct-2010 17:02:57] <rmatte> deleting RRDs is completely harmless
[14-Oct-2010 17:03:00] <rmatte> they just get recreated
[14-Oct-2010 17:03:04] <fus10nx> do this as the zenoss user, yea?
[14-Oct-2010 17:03:08] <rmatte> correct
[14-Oct-2010 17:03:15] <rmatte> cd $ZENHOME/perf/Devices
[14-Oct-2010 17:03:20] <rmatte> rm -r *
[14-Oct-2010 17:03:24] <Sam-I-Am> kedavra: i think the code you pasted earlier is at least missing a colon after the second if statement
[14-Oct-2010 17:03:34] <rmatte> or mv * /path/to/wherever
[14-Oct-2010 17:03:37] <rmatte> to move them
[14-Oct-2010 17:03:40] <rmatte> up to you which you want
[14-Oct-2010 17:04:15] <fus10nx> then remodel the devices?
[14-Oct-2010 17:04:19] <rmatte> no
[14-Oct-2010 17:04:22] <rmatte> remodel is not necessary
[14-Oct-2010 17:04:33] <rmatte> just wait 15 to 20 minutes for the graphing to start again
[14-Oct-2010 17:04:34] <kedavra> Sam-I-Am: damn. where were my eyes
[14-Oct-2010 17:04:46] <fus10nx> ill see what happens - so all historical data is gone now ?
[14-Oct-2010 17:04:55] <rmatte> yeh, if you deleted them
[14-Oct-2010 17:05:00] <fus10nx> yessir
[14-Oct-2010 17:05:01] <rmatte> you could have moved them somewhere like I said
[14-Oct-2010 17:05:03] <fus10nx> well moved them
[14-Oct-2010 17:05:05] <fus10nx> yea i did
[14-Oct-2010 17:05:11] <rmatte> then you can always move them back
[14-Oct-2010 17:05:12] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 17:05:21] <fus10nx> here's something else in the meantime - why do my processors always show up as unknown ?
[14-Oct-2010 17:05:24] <rmatte> though if this fixes the problem you won't want to
[14-Oct-2010 17:05:30] <fus10nx> right
[14-Oct-2010 17:05:36] <Sam-I-Am> fus10nx: unknown as in unknown model?
[14-Oct-2010 17:05:38] <fus10nx> yea
[14-Oct-2010 17:05:41] <rmatte> only certain processor types show up
[14-Oct-2010 17:05:54] <rmatte> it's however they coded the hardware collector plugin
[14-Oct-2010 17:05:54] <Sam-I-Am> its part of a modeler plugin i think...
[14-Oct-2010 17:06:11] <rmatte> It needs updating to add more processor types
[14-Oct-2010 17:06:22] <Sam-I-Am> fus10nx: you could probably update it
[14-Oct-2010 17:06:23] <fus10nx> yea some get detected, others dont
[14-Oct-2010 17:06:28] <fus10nx> how difficult is it to update?
[14-Oct-2010 17:06:33] <Sam-I-Am> just editing a file and remodeling
[14-Oct-2010 17:06:38] <fus10nx> which file?
[14-Oct-2010 17:06:41] <rmatte> you'd have to edit a python script, I've never actually looked at the code
[14-Oct-2010 17:06:43] <rmatte> so no idea
[14-Oct-2010 17:07:01] <rmatte> not even sure exactly which file, and not in the mood to dig right now
[14-Oct-2010 17:07:02] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 17:07:08] <fus10nx> no worries
[14-Oct-2010 17:07:15] <fus10nx> prob be easier to ask mray when he's around
[14-Oct-2010 17:07:21] <kedavra> Sam-I-Am: thanks that you noted it. man, i'm sorry that i'm so inattentive
[14-Oct-2010 17:08:41] <Sam-I-Am> fus10nx: its CpuMap.py .. or probably something more specific if you have the HP and Dell modeler plugins (zenpacks)
[14-Oct-2010 17:09:05] <Sam-I-Am> if you're running hp or dell
[14-Oct-2010 17:09:21] <rmatte> nah, CpuMap is probably it
[14-Oct-2010 17:09:39] <fus10nx> there's 2 /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/CpuMap.py
[14-Oct-2010 17:09:51] <fus10nx> and  \/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/tests/testCpuMap.py
[14-Oct-2010 17:09:59] <fus10nx> ah tests
[14-Oct-2010 17:10:00] <fus10nx> nevermind
[14-Oct-2010 17:11:28] <fus10nx> not as straight forward as i thought ha ha
[14-Oct-2010 17:11:47] <Sam-I-Am> theres an array of things it will detect
[14-Oct-2010 17:11:54] <Sam-I-Am> if it aint that, it returns unknown
[14-Oct-2010 17:14:10] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: yeh, that's what I figured, name thing it does for interface types and hard disk types
[14-Oct-2010 17:14:16] <rmatte> s/name/same
[14-Oct-2010 17:14:45] <fus10nx> still no reports  ill keep waiting
[14-Oct-2010 17:15:05] <rmatte> it's going to take 20 minutes just to get the graphs regenerated
[14-Oct-2010 17:20:45] * Sam-I-Am cranks up some rush
[14-Oct-2010 17:21:13] <imeyer> A+
[14-Oct-2010 17:21:22] <imeyer> my coworker is listening to rick ross really loud
[14-Oct-2010 17:26:53] <Sam-I-Am> dammit, every time i listen to rush at work i drum on my desk and knock shit over
[14-Oct-2010 17:27:06] <imeyer> neil would not approve
[14-Oct-2010 17:32:26] <rmatte> lol
[14-Oct-2010 17:36:51] <ballison> new problem:  Can Zenoss monitor a generic port?
[14-Oct-2010 17:37:10] <ballison> specifically I need to see if syslog-ng (udp port 514) is up and running on a remote device
[14-Oct-2010 17:40:45] <ballison> or just a way to do generic port polling in general?
[14-Oct-2010 17:41:17] <Sam-I-Am> might want to make sure the process is running
[14-Oct-2010 17:41:21] <rmatte> ballison: The Zenoss Admin Guide covers IP Service monitoring
[14-Oct-2010 17:41:24] <rmatte> which is what you want
[14-Oct-2010 17:41:46] <rmatte> you can also monitor the process itself as Sam-I-Am said, which is also covered in the Zenoss Admin Guide
[14-Oct-2010 17:42:57] <ballison> zenstats - does TCP port up/down
[14-Oct-2010 17:42:59] <ballison> what about UDP ?
[14-Oct-2010 17:43:09] <rmatte> UDP is a stateless protocol
[14-Oct-2010 17:43:41] <rmatte> but I seem to recall Zenoss having that capability
[14-Oct-2010 17:43:47] <rmatte> checking now
[14-Oct-2010 17:44:15] <Sam-I-Am> it can also query the machine running syslog-ng to see if the port is listening in netstat
[14-Oct-2010 17:44:20] <Sam-I-Am> as oppose to poking the port remotely
[14-Oct-2010 17:45:55] <Sam-I-Am> wow, its been a looooong day
[14-Oct-2010 17:46:07] <ballison> hmm then i think zenprocess would work better
[14-Oct-2010 17:46:16] <ballison> i want to make sure syslog-ng is running on a remote device
[14-Oct-2010 17:46:45] <ballison> so i do Advanced > Monitoring Template > Create new Template for syslog-ng > then try to add a Data Source, but there's no options for zenprocess  .... ?
[14-Oct-2010 17:47:04] <ballison> zenprocess pulled from SNMP ... so do I pick SNMP as the datasource?
[14-Oct-2010 17:47:18] <rmatte> ballison: Services -> IP Services -> Privileged -> search for "514"
[14-Oct-2010 17:47:27] <rmatte> change monitor to true for it
[14-Oct-2010 17:47:30] <rmatte> then remodel the device
[14-Oct-2010 17:47:33] <rmatte> it's not complicated
[14-Oct-2010 17:47:53] <rmatte> or search for syslog
[14-Oct-2010 17:47:59] <rmatte> you'll find it
[14-Oct-2010 17:48:36] <ballison> hmmm so it's on a PER device basis.  I can't create a template called "monitor syslog-ng" .. ok
[14-Oct-2010 17:48:50] <rmatte> no, it's not on a per device basis
[14-Oct-2010 17:49:00] <rmatte> when you enable monitoring of it in there it'll find it when you remodel any device
[14-Oct-2010 17:49:20] <rmatte> like I said, the Zenoss Admin guide explains this
[14-Oct-2010 17:49:22] <rmatte> have a read
[14-Oct-2010 17:54:06] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: you aware of any way to manually alter network interface descriptions?
[14-Oct-2010 17:54:18] <Sam-I-Am> they pull from snmp normally
[14-Oct-2010 17:54:33] <rmatte> no, you can't
[14-Oct-2010 17:54:44] <Sam-I-Am> durrr... sounds like a good feature to add.
[14-Oct-2010 17:54:47] <rmatte> you could probably go in via the zope management interface, but that's messy
[14-Oct-2010 17:54:51] <rmatte> and why would you want to?
[14-Oct-2010 17:55:04] <rmatte> If you want it changed, change it on the device itself
[14-Oct-2010 17:55:26] <Sam-I-Am> well, the device descriptions i store on the devices contain a lot of technical stuff (like circuit IDs) ... and some of the people looking at zenoss would benefit from a bit more "user friendly" descriptions
[14-Oct-2010 17:55:32] <Sam-I-Am> like "this is your wan interface"
[14-Oct-2010 17:56:36] <rmatte> right, which is why they should implement tagging
[14-Oct-2010 17:56:41] <rmatte> not screw with the descriptions
[14-Oct-2010 17:57:03] <Sam-I-Am> or that
[14-Oct-2010 18:00:48] <Sam-I-Am> time to wander home...
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[15-Oct-2010 07:36:37] <forsberg> so anyone have done anything nice lately with zenoss and esxi 4+ ? 
[15-Oct-2010 09:07:31] <ericenns> hey has anyone on here used ZenossVirtualHostMonitor
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[15-Oct-2010 09:44:13] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[15-Oct-2010 09:44:20] <wvcain> moo hoo
[15-Oct-2010 09:44:53] <Sam-I-Am> mmm caffeine
[15-Oct-2010 09:45:28] <wvcain> (c)
[15-Oct-2010 09:45:31] <ericenns> good morning
[15-Oct-2010 09:46:03] <ericenns> Anybody know how the Uptime on a machines Overview page works
[15-Oct-2010 09:46:57] <Sam-I-Am> it reads off snmp
[15-Oct-2010 09:47:02] <wvcain> Most likely if your using SNMP, it is sysUpTime
[15-Oct-2010 09:47:06] <Sam-I-Am> if that oid is being monitored
[15-Oct-2010 09:47:37] <wvcain> If shell based... and *NIX, it's uptime
[15-Oct-2010 09:47:45] <wvcain> For windows, I haven't a clue
[15-Oct-2010 09:48:02] <ericenns> ok well I have a custom datapoint that returns it in seconds
[15-Oct-2010 09:48:03] <Parabola|W> only way i know in windows is "systeminfo" from a cmd line 
[15-Oct-2010 09:48:28] <ericenns> and it says 10h uptime in zenoss which has to wrong does zenoss maybe think my seconds are minutes
[15-Oct-2010 09:48:29] <wvcain> Google shows an interesting blurb... MSoft's is a 32bit counter so it rolls over after 49.7 days!
[15-Oct-2010 09:48:48] <Sam-I-Am> wvcain: thats old news i think
[15-Oct-2010 09:49:11] <Sam-I-Am> can probably use wmi for windows stuff
[15-Oct-2010 09:49:28] <Sam-I-Am> anyone here familiar with zendmd?
[15-Oct-2010 09:49:39] <wvcain> yep.  old news.  Who would of thought that a server would be up for more than 49.7 days.
[15-Oct-2010 09:49:48] <Sam-I-Am> especially a windows server
[15-Oct-2010 09:50:08] <wvcain> Then again, SNMP grew out of network devices and they really are expected to be up for years.
[15-Oct-2010 09:50:22] <wvcain> It's the 32 bit counter issue.
[15-Oct-2010 09:50:41] <Sam-I-Am> trying to figure out why adding a zproperty in zendmd adds it into the list, but i dont think that variable is getting passed to the plugin that uses it
[15-Oct-2010 09:51:13] <Sam-I-Am> most interfaces over t1 speeds or so use 64 bit counters these days
[15-Oct-2010 09:51:31] <Sam-I-Am> graphing utils usually handle rollovers well, but not when they're happening every 5 minutes
[15-Oct-2010 09:56:24] <ericenns> I figured it zenoss wants sysUpTime in milliseconds but I was giving it seconds
[15-Oct-2010 10:06:28] <ericenns> maybe I actually haven't figured it out
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[15-Oct-2010 10:09:48] <ericenns> mray do you know anything about the uptime in device overview, like say if I have a data named sysUpTIme can the value be milliseconds?
[15-Oct-2010 10:14:37] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: iirc, sysuptime is a standardized unit
[15-Oct-2010 10:15:31] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: Oh well unfortunately vmware doesn't like to follow standards and they give it in seconds
[15-Oct-2010 10:16:18] <Sam-I-Am> for the usual oid?
[15-Oct-2010 10:16:35] <ericenns> ESXi doesn't use snmp
[15-Oct-2010 10:17:12] <Sam-I-Am> oh
[15-Oct-2010 10:17:22] <Sam-I-Am> i think theres a zenpack for esx
[15-Oct-2010 10:17:41] <ericenns> I am creating a new zenpack for ESXi and ESX that doesn't use snmp
[15-Oct-2010 10:18:50] <Sam-I-Am> whats it use?
[15-Oct-2010 10:19:57] <ericenns> It gets the host and guest performance
[15-Oct-2010 10:20:17] <ericenns> fills the gap that there is right now
[15-Oct-2010 10:24:31] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: ESX and ESXi's SNMP support used to be ok, but they totally crippled it in their last release.
[15-Oct-2010 10:25:49] <ericenns> ESX or ESXi users do you usually name your guest the same as its hostname?
[15-Oct-2010 10:26:00] <rmatte> usually
[15-Oct-2010 10:26:07] <rmatte> you can name them however you want
[15-Oct-2010 10:26:14] <rmatte> it just makes sense to do it that way
[15-Oct-2010 10:26:20] <rmatte> though I don't use the fqdn
[15-Oct-2010 10:26:23] <rmatte> just the hostname
[15-Oct-2010 10:26:29] <ericenns> oh ok
[15-Oct-2010 10:26:41] <rmatte> sometimes they can be named differently though
[15-Oct-2010 10:26:48] <rmatte> you'd probably have to account for both possible scenarios
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[15-Oct-2010 10:27:27] <ericenns> it doesn't make a huge difference just means that there may not be links to the device in zenoss for the first release
[15-Oct-2010 10:28:03] <rmatte> ah
[15-Oct-2010 10:28:35] <rmatte> you going to have the first release done in time for the contest?
[15-Oct-2010 10:28:51] <rmatte> by the way, did you get my email with that render code you were missing for the test routine?
[15-Oct-2010 10:28:57] <ericenns> I already have one version in the running I'm working on the update now
[15-Oct-2010 10:29:10] <ericenns> yes I got your email
[15-Oct-2010 10:29:11] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 10:29:24] <rmatte> yeh, without that code the test would work, but it would just output in html on a white screen
[15-Oct-2010 10:29:27] <rmatte> wasn't very pretty
[15-Oct-2010 10:29:28] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 10:29:33] <ericenns> trying to get the update in before the contest is done
[15-Oct-2010 10:29:38] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 10:29:42] <ericenns> haha ok cool
[15-Oct-2010 10:29:42] <rmatte> I hope you manage to
[15-Oct-2010 10:30:04] <ericenns> once this sysuptime is figured out which I may have, then I might be done
[15-Oct-2010 10:30:11] <rmatte> nice
[15-Oct-2010 10:30:20] <rmatte> I'd say submit it regardless of it's state
[15-Oct-2010 10:30:25] <rmatte> you've put a lot of time in to it
[15-Oct-2010 10:31:00] <ericenns> haha yeah, I got another zenpack that I have been workign on but it doesn't seem to work now lol
[15-Oct-2010 10:31:00] <rmatte> plus I'd be willing to bet that it'll work fine in both 2.5 and 3.0 after all those fixes that you made to the skins file and the datasource script
[15-Oct-2010 10:31:11] <ericenns> oh yeag
[15-Oct-2010 10:31:21] <rmatte> you did make the other changes I mentioned right?
[15-Oct-2010 10:31:28] <rmatte> such as the bad case on that one variable
[15-Oct-2010 10:31:35] <rmatte> lower case l instead of uppercase L
[15-Oct-2010 10:31:51] <ericenns> I haven't yet that;s on my list after I get my VMwareESXiMonitor one done
[15-Oct-2010 10:32:00] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 10:32:08] <ericenns> this one relies on the dataSource pack
[15-Oct-2010 10:32:14] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 10:32:28] <rmatte> there was another fix that I mentioned but I forget what it was
[15-Oct-2010 10:32:41] <rmatte> you have all the stuff that I mentioned documented somewhere?
[15-Oct-2010 10:32:54] <rmatte> (I can always go through and figure out what it was again if not
[15-Oct-2010 10:32:57] <ericenns> ya I got it all the emails
[15-Oct-2010 10:33:08] <rmatte> a couple of the changes I only mentioned on here though
[15-Oct-2010 10:33:11] <rmatte> like the L
[15-Oct-2010 10:33:17] <rmatte> and one other change
[15-Oct-2010 10:33:17] <ericenns> oh well then I lost those lol
[15-Oct-2010 10:33:20] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 10:33:33] <ericenns> im working from home today and those were at work
[15-Oct-2010 10:33:42] <rmatte> ah
[15-Oct-2010 10:33:51] <rmatte> let me see if I can remember what they were...
[15-Oct-2010 10:35:25] <rmatte> k so yeh, anywhere where it says errorlog instead of errorLog that needs to be changed
[15-Oct-2010 10:35:52] <ericenns> to lowercase l
[15-Oct-2010 10:35:56] <rmatte> no
[15-Oct-2010 10:36:02] <rmatte> they all need to be uppercase L
[15-Oct-2010 10:36:09] <ericenns> ok running a regex in vim
[15-Oct-2010 10:36:11] <rmatte> it only says "errorlog" in 2 places
[15-Oct-2010 10:36:18] <rmatte> you need to change those to "errorLog" hehe
[15-Oct-2010 10:36:50] <rmatte> well, you could have just done: sed -i "s/errorlog/errorLog/g" VMwareDataSource.py
[15-Oct-2010 10:36:52] <rmatte> 
[15-Oct-2010 10:37:13] <rmatte> now I need to see if I can remember the second one
[15-Oct-2010 10:37:19] <ericenns> ya but I got a vim window open already so :%s/errorlog/errorLog/g is easier
[15-Oct-2010 10:37:23] <rmatte> ah
[15-Oct-2010 10:37:26] <rmatte> yup
[15-Oct-2010 10:37:27] <cgibbons> hurm
[15-Oct-2010 10:38:47] <ericenns> i got the = sign in the skins file
[15-Oct-2010 10:39:02] <ericenns> other one was in displaying it
[15-Oct-2010 10:39:16] <rmatte> k
[15-Oct-2010 10:39:25] <rmatte> there was something else weird about the skins file
[15-Oct-2010 10:39:40] <rmatte> I included it in an email
[15-Oct-2010 10:39:40] <ericenns> something about header and footer in datasource
[15-Oct-2010 10:39:52] <rmatte> nah, that was the latest problem
[15-Oct-2010 10:40:02] <rmatte> there were 3 problems with the datasource script and 2 with the skins file
[15-Oct-2010 10:40:11] <ericenns> oh ok
[15-Oct-2010 10:40:34] <rmatte> I'll check my sent mail folder
[15-Oct-2010 10:40:57] <rmatte> ah yeh
[15-Oct-2010 10:41:00] <rmatte> you were missing a td
[15-Oct-2010 10:41:08] <rmatte> </td>
[15-Oct-2010 10:41:27] <rmatte> ReGiStRaS: VMwareDataSource ZenPack (Fixes for skins file)
[15-Oct-2010 10:41:30] <rmatte> bah
[15-Oct-2010 10:41:30] <ericenns> remember which line
[15-Oct-2010 10:41:42] <rmatte> check for an email with that title, minue the registras
[15-Oct-2010 10:41:48] <rmatte> it autocompleted RE to that name
[15-Oct-2010 10:41:49] <rmatte> hehe
[15-Oct-2010 10:41:58] <ericenns> i see it
[15-Oct-2010 10:42:07] <rmatte> Add </td> to the end of line 58.
[15-Oct-2010 10:42:26] <rmatte> Go to line 97.
[15-Oct-2010 10:42:26] <rmatte> Change:
[15-Oct-2010 10:42:26] <rmatte> <tal:block tal:condition"python:here.sourcetype in ('VMware')">
[15-Oct-2010 10:42:26] <rmatte> To:
[15-Oct-2010 10:42:26] <rmatte> <tal:block tal:condition="python:here.sourcetype in ('VMware')">
[15-Oct-2010 10:42:27] <rmatte> You were missing the equals sign.
[15-Oct-2010 10:42:37] <rmatte> after you make those 2 changes the skins file is good to go
[15-Oct-2010 10:42:38] <ericenns> ya i got that one
[15-Oct-2010 10:42:42] <rmatte> k
[15-Oct-2010 10:42:57] <rmatte> now, to see if I can figure out what that other change was
[15-Oct-2010 10:43:20] <rmatte> add the render code I sent in the spot that I specified
[15-Oct-2010 10:43:23] <rmatte> for starters
[15-Oct-2010 10:43:32] <suprsonic> my CPU threshold is triggering an email alert even with a escalate count of 10
[15-Oct-2010 10:44:02] <rmatte> suprsonic: the escalate count doesn't mean to only trigger an alert if the count equals 10
[15-Oct-2010 10:44:03] <suprsonic> when looking at graphs its clear the boxes are reaching 90% over a 50 minute time frame
[15-Oct-2010 10:44:29] <suprsonic> oh
[15-Oct-2010 10:44:42] <rmatte> you can add an actual alert filter to filter based on count
[15-Oct-2010 10:44:57] <rmatte> which would accomplish what you want
[15-Oct-2010 10:45:01] <suprsonic> filter?
[15-Oct-2010 10:45:05] <suprsonic> can you explain for me?
[15-Oct-2010 10:45:15] <rmatte> eugh, ok, so go in to the alert properties
[15-Oct-2010 10:45:30] <suprsonic> email altering?
[15-Oct-2010 10:45:31] <rmatte> at the bottom you'll see stuff like "if Production State equals Production
[15-Oct-2010 10:45:33] <rmatte> or whatever
[15-Oct-2010 10:45:39] <rmatte> no, nothing to do with the email
[15-Oct-2010 10:45:39] <suprsonic> ah right
[15-Oct-2010 10:45:40] <suprsonic> k
[15-Oct-2010 10:45:48] <rmatte> just add one of those filters for count
[15-Oct-2010 10:45:50] <rmatte> and set it to 10
[15-Oct-2010 10:45:58] <rmatte> that way it'll only trigger alerts if the count equals 10
[15-Oct-2010 10:46:08] <rmatte> you might have to create a separate alerting rule just for CPU alerts
[15-Oct-2010 10:46:21] <rmatte> since you probably don't want some of the other alerts only triggering on 10
[15-Oct-2010 10:46:33] <rmatte> so you create 2 alerting rules and make 1 only match certain events based on the filters
[15-Oct-2010 10:46:35] <rmatte> understand?
[15-Oct-2010 10:46:42] <suprsonic> got it thanks rmatte
[15-Oct-2010 10:46:45] <rmatte> np
[15-Oct-2010 10:47:44] <rmatte> ericenns: ok, so I'm working on finding that last problem...
[15-Oct-2010 10:47:56] <ericenns> ok cool made all those other changes though
[15-Oct-2010 10:48:16] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 10:48:29] <ericenns> and I got uptime working awesome
[15-Oct-2010 10:50:19] <rmatte> nice
[15-Oct-2010 10:50:31] <ericenns> good day lol
[15-Oct-2010 10:50:44] <rmatte> I just unzipped the pack in a fresh state and copied the clean skins file in to it, so it'll be easy to track down the issue with the datasource script
[15-Oct-2010 10:50:49] <rmatte> won't take long
[15-Oct-2010 10:50:50] <ericenns> rmatte: would you have time to test my zenpack?
[15-Oct-2010 10:50:57] <ericenns> k
[15-Oct-2010 10:51:23] <rmatte> I don't really have time to actually test it against ESX today unfortunately
[15-Oct-2010 10:51:31] <ericenns> ok that’s fine
[15-Oct-2010 10:51:35] <rmatte> I need to work on getting my Cisco Mibs pack packaged and out
[15-Oct-2010 10:51:43] <ericenns> oh yeah makes sense
[15-Oct-2010 10:52:19] <rmatte> ericenns: you don't have an ESX box to test it against?
[15-Oct-2010 10:52:27] <rmatte> or are you just worried it won't work in 2.5?
[15-Oct-2010 10:52:38] <ericenns> 2.5 is my only concern
[15-Oct-2010 10:53:17] <rmatte> k
[15-Oct-2010 10:53:56] <ericenns> it should work after these changes I know my VMwareESXiMonitor is 2.5 compatible from I based it off of
[15-Oct-2010 10:53:58] <rmatte> well at least you'll be able to say the datasource pack is 2.5 compatible
[15-Oct-2010 10:53:59] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 10:54:12] <rmatte> ah ok
[15-Oct-2010 10:54:12] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 10:54:33] <suprsonic> rmatte so what is the escalate function used for?
[15-Oct-2010 10:54:34] <ericenns> ya it uses ZennosVirtualHost which has a 2.5 version
[15-Oct-2010 10:57:24] <rmatte> suprsonic: I don't remember, I'd have to look and I don't have time, it's explained in the admin guide
[15-Oct-2010 10:57:34] <suprsonic> no worries
[15-Oct-2010 10:57:35] <suprsonic> thakns
[15-Oct-2010 10:57:48] <ericenns> escalation increases the severity when more events come in
[15-Oct-2010 10:58:02] <rmatte> ericenns found it
[15-Oct-2010 10:58:05] <rmatte> you're missing this line
[15-Oct-2010 10:58:07] <rmatte> from Products.ZenWidgets import messaging
[15-Oct-2010 10:58:18] <ericenns> in which file
[15-Oct-2010 10:58:57] <rmatte> the datasource script
[15-Oct-2010 10:59:22] <ericenns> oh ok sweet thanks
[15-Oct-2010 10:59:32] <rmatte> np
[15-Oct-2010 11:13:02] <chachan> Hi everyone, my snmpd agent is going down frecuently (once per day). I didn't see anything wrong in logs. I use CentOS 5.5, does anyone is having this trouble?
[15-Oct-2010 11:14:16] <ericenns> I am using CentOS 5.5 with no problem
[15-Oct-2010 11:14:37] <rmatte> chachan: you're talking about net-snmp I assume?
[15-Oct-2010 11:15:30] <rmatte> ericenns: yeh, I just made all those changes and tested the datasource, everything looks good.
[15-Oct-2010 11:15:39] <chachan> rmatte, net-snmp.x86_64
[15-Oct-2010 11:15:49] <chachan> you're right
[15-Oct-2010 11:15:52] <ericenns> ok sweet I am ready to send In my second entry then start on my 3rd lol
[15-Oct-2010 11:15:58] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 11:18:37] <chachan> rmatte, why did you ask about it?
[15-Oct-2010 11:19:39] <rmatte> chachan: I was curious if you were referring to zenperfsnmp
[15-Oct-2010 11:19:50] <rmatte> there could be a million reasons why it's crashing
[15-Oct-2010 11:20:12] <rmatte> You'd almost be better off asking in #linux or something
[15-Oct-2010 11:20:22] <chachan> rmatte, it's there a way to see these reason
[15-Oct-2010 11:20:27] <chachan> mm, ok
[15-Oct-2010 11:20:32] <rmatte> well, have you checked your log files?
[15-Oct-2010 11:20:39] <rmatte> in /var/log
[15-Oct-2010 11:20:48] <rmatte> and have you done "dmesg" looking for errors?
[15-Oct-2010 11:20:57] <rmatte> those 2 steps are pretty basic stuff
[15-Oct-2010 11:21:11] <chachan> rmatte, yep, and I can't see anything relate with it
[15-Oct-2010 11:21:34] <rmatte> Has anything else been crashing on that box?
[15-Oct-2010 11:21:50] <chachan> I look into /var/log/messages
[15-Oct-2010 11:22:40] <chachan> no lately
[15-Oct-2010 11:22:57] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: got a sec for a question about zproperties i've added in zendmd getting passed to their appropriate modeler plugins?
[15-Oct-2010 11:23:20] <rmatte> chachan: explained crashes like that can be hardware related
[15-Oct-2010 11:23:24] <rmatte> bad RAM possibly
[15-Oct-2010 11:23:38] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: If I can answer it I will
[15-Oct-2010 11:23:43] <Sam-I-Am> woot!
[15-Oct-2010 11:24:12] <chachan> rmatte, 0.o
[15-Oct-2010 11:24:25] <rmatte> s/explained/unexplained
[15-Oct-2010 11:24:41] <chachan> rmatte, Ok, thanks, I will search deeply on that
[15-Oct-2010 11:24:48] <Sam-I-Am> so i made a zproperty zRouteMapCollectOnlyIGP in ch._setProperty under devices
[15-Oct-2010 11:25:07] <rmatte> chachan: make sure something isn't eating up large amounts of memory on the box too
[15-Oct-2010 11:25:20] <Sam-I-Am> its a boolean... and i think i added it with the right variables
[15-Oct-2010 11:25:23] <rmatte> if memory utilization becomes critically low Linux will automatically try to kill off processes using high memory
[15-Oct-2010 11:25:39] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: ok...
[15-Oct-2010 11:25:50] <chachan> rmatte, it's no my case, I have 6G free in average
[15-Oct-2010 11:25:57] <Sam-I-Am> i see it in the list of zproperties, and i can set it.  i modified routemap.py to accept the variable (adding to the other 3 in the list)
[15-Oct-2010 11:25:59] <rmatte> cachan: k
[15-Oct-2010 11:26:04] <Sam-I-Am> however, i dont think its getting passed
[15-Oct-2010 11:26:35] <Sam-I-Am> mostly since changing it to true or false has no effect, but hardcoding the value in routemap.py works
[15-Oct-2010 11:26:35] <rmatte> show me the code in routemap.py
[15-Oct-2010 11:26:48] <Sam-I-Am> one sec, pastebinning
[15-Oct-2010 11:26:50] <rmatte> k
[15-Oct-2010 11:26:51] <chachan> rmatte, it's a server becaming to disuse
[15-Oct-2010 11:27:04] <chachan> so, It's no critical, thx
[15-Oct-2010 11:27:08] <rmatte> ah ok
[15-Oct-2010 11:35:04] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: http://pastebin.com/acBFuTRK
[15-Oct-2010 11:35:09] <Sam-I-Am> so i included the stuff i changed
[15-Oct-2010 11:35:20] <Sam-I-Am> also at the bottom is how i added the zproperty... which might be wrong
[15-Oct-2010 11:44:49] <Sam-I-Am> if works fine if i hardcode igpOnly to True in the code
[15-Oct-2010 12:42:50] <ericenns> cgibbons: you around
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[15-Oct-2010 13:06:22] <chachan> now, I'm having this: Unable to read processes on device server.com; Timeout on device
[15-Oct-2010 13:06:40] <chachan> ideas?
[15-Oct-2010 13:06:58] <rmatte> my guess would be that if you snmpwalked the device you'd see a timeout
[15-Oct-2010 13:07:08] <chachan> mm
[15-Oct-2010 13:13:10] <chachan> I'm snmpwalking and it semms faster enough
[15-Oct-2010 13:13:44] <rmatte> yes, but does it actually finish or does it timeout before it gets to the end?
[15-Oct-2010 13:14:36] <chachan> It finished
[15-Oct-2010 13:16:56] <chachan> it finished without getting time out
[15-Oct-2010 13:17:19] <rmatte> then I have no idea why it's timing out
[15-Oct-2010 13:17:39] <rmatte> and what is "faster enough"?
[15-Oct-2010 13:17:48] <rmatte> can you literally read the snmpwalk line by line as it goes?
[15-Oct-2010 13:21:47] <chachan> rmatte, well, I do just for "system", so, it's short, let me do it for all
[15-Oct-2010 13:22:08] <rmatte> eugh
[15-Oct-2010 13:22:12] <rmatte> I meant literally do a walk
[15-Oct-2010 13:22:15] <rmatte> not just system
[15-Oct-2010 13:22:19] <chachan> to see the behavior
[15-Oct-2010 13:22:24] <rmatte> just walking system is useless for testing lol
[15-Oct-2010 13:22:27] <chachan> ok, I'll
[15-Oct-2010 13:22:33] <chachan> 
[15-Oct-2010 13:22:34] <chachan> ok
[15-Oct-2010 13:25:08] <chachan> ok, it's snmpwalinkg, I'm also checking the time execution
[15-Oct-2010 13:26:05] <chachan> Ok, after 1m20 seg. I get a timeout
[15-Oct-2010 13:26:55] <chachan> I guess I need to increase the timeout value in zProperties, right?
[15-Oct-2010 13:27:21] <rmatte> no no
[15-Oct-2010 13:27:22] <rmatte> hold on
[15-Oct-2010 13:27:35] <rmatte> you're actually doing the snmpwalk from the commandline right?
[15-Oct-2010 13:27:38] <rmatte> not from the zenoss ui?
[15-Oct-2010 13:28:12] <chachan> mm, right, yes, I'm doing it from CLI
[15-Oct-2010 13:28:24] <chachan> let me do it from GUI
[15-Oct-2010 13:28:47] <rmatte> no no no
[15-Oct-2010 13:28:57] <rmatte> I wanted to make sure you were doing it from the CLI and not from the GUI
[15-Oct-2010 13:29:03] <chachan> ah ok
[15-Oct-2010 13:29:12] <rmatte> ok, so you run the walk from the CLI and it eventually times out?
[15-Oct-2010 13:29:24] <rmatte> then net-snmp is screwed on the server
[15-Oct-2010 13:29:25] <chachan> yep
[15-Oct-2010 13:29:32] <rmatte> it has nothing to do with zenoss
[15-Oct-2010 13:29:36] <chachan> 0.o
[15-Oct-2010 13:30:06] <chachan> I started to having this issue in 5 servers
[15-Oct-2010 13:30:19] <chachan> you mean zenoss server?
[15-Oct-2010 13:30:23] <ashp> they made me do a presentation on zenoss during our monthly meeting
[15-Oct-2010 13:30:27] <ashp> it went really, really, bad :/
[15-Oct-2010 13:31:31] <rmatte> is there some kind of firewall device between zenoss and those servers?
[15-Oct-2010 13:31:39] <rmatte> that sucks but that had nothing to do with Zenoss
[15-Oct-2010 13:31:41] <chachan> rmatte, yes
[15-Oct-2010 13:31:46] <rmatte> any other monitoring tool would have died too
[15-Oct-2010 13:31:56] <rmatte> I'm guessing the firewall device is interfering with the snmp traffic
[15-Oct-2010 13:32:27] <chachan> but I get snmp response and it stopped after 1m20seg.
[15-Oct-2010 13:32:31] <rmatte> can you try snmpwalking one of the servers from the actual LAN segment that they are on?
[15-Oct-2010 13:32:34] <rmatte> I know
[15-Oct-2010 13:32:45] <rmatte> firewalls can let traffic flow for a bit then cut it off
[15-Oct-2010 13:32:48] <rmatte> it's entirely possible
[15-Oct-2010 13:32:48] <chachan> rmatte, ok, I'll do it
[15-Oct-2010 13:32:54] <rmatte> k
[15-Oct-2010 13:32:56] <chachan> rmatte, ok
[15-Oct-2010 13:33:51] <cgibbons> hmmm
[15-Oct-2010 13:33:59] <cgibbons> ericenns: i am now
[15-Oct-2010 13:34:30] <ericenns> cgibbons: ok well I gave up on that problem for now so that’s ok
[15-Oct-2010 13:34:44] <cgibbons> excellent; glad i could help
[15-Oct-2010 13:34:50] <ericenns> haha yeah lol
[15-Oct-2010 13:35:21] <ericenns> but well your hear, do you know why I can snmp walk an oid but zenoss can't get the info for it
[15-Oct-2010 13:35:53] <cgibbons> is it the .0 at the end issue?
[15-Oct-2010 13:36:37] <ericenns> I dont think so, when I walk It i get this for one of the 8 results SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.12740.2.1.7.1.3.1.1153338017.1 = Gauge32: 4860
[15-Oct-2010 13:37:18] <ericenns> i walked with this oid 1.3.6.1.4.1.12740.2.1.7.1.3.1
[15-Oct-2010 13:37:44] <ericenns> another result gives this SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.12740.2.1.7.1.3.1.1390860128.1 = Gauge32: 4950
[15-Oct-2010 13:41:33] <st3v3o> does anyone know how to run zendmd script from cron ?
[15-Oct-2010 13:42:33] <bhansen> I have a question, can I take the zope backup from a 2.5.2 and import it into a fresh install of 3.0.2?
[15-Oct-2010 13:42:53] <st3v3o> bhansen..I don't believe so
[15-Oct-2010 13:43:22] <bhansen> ugh
[15-Oct-2010 13:43:50] <bhansen> so if I did a fresh install of 2.5.2 and imported then upgraded it would probably work?
[15-Oct-2010 13:44:04] <st3v3o> that sounds like it would
[15-Oct-2010 13:46:08] <bhansen> so in zenoss 3.0 what was the thought in not letting you select multiple alarms with shift and click?
[15-Oct-2010 13:46:47] <st3v3o> I have that same question 
[15-Oct-2010 13:47:15] <ericenns> it has to do with AJAX refreshing
[15-Oct-2010 13:48:26] <ericenns> what would happene is your would select a bunch then bam it refreshes and your selection is messed up
[15-Oct-2010 13:48:59] <bhansen> but would you not have the same issue with ctrl click
[15-Oct-2010 13:50:21] <ericenns> I don't know I asked this question months ago and can't exactly remember the answer
[15-Oct-2010 13:52:40] <bhansen> I have a large monitoring footprint and Im trying to evaluate if upgrading to 3.0.2 is worth it, myeventviews zenpack does not seem to work properly on 3.0
[15-Oct-2010 13:53:05] <twm1010> bhansen: is your zenoss virtualized?
[15-Oct-2010 13:53:23] <bhansen> not atm but it will be
[15-Oct-2010 13:53:41] <twm1010> if it were me, i'd wait for the VM, that way you can snapshot it and rollback if necessary
[15-Oct-2010 13:54:18] <ericenns> the 3.0.2 vm is out
[15-Oct-2010 13:54:26] <bhansen> yeah, the things that I can see that would keep me are cosmetic at this point
[15-Oct-2010 13:54:40] <bhansen> other then the event views we uses them
[15-Oct-2010 13:54:59] <bhansen> and the python2.6 version does not seem to function
[15-Oct-2010 13:55:10] <bhansen> well it kinda works
[15-Oct-2010 13:56:33] <fus10nx> still couldnt get my damn aggregate reports to work
[15-Oct-2010 13:57:00] <fus10nx> is there a way to 100% remove ZenOSS and lose all my historical data and do a fresh install or should i fresh install everyting, linux included?
[15-Oct-2010 13:59:47] <rmatte> fus10nx: how did you install Zenoss?
[15-Oct-2010 14:09:12] <Orv> Can you upgrade a zenpack by just installing the newer version?  Or do you have to remove/reinstall?  (It's appears to be a minor upgrade)
[15-Oct-2010 14:09:45] <mray> Orv: just install the newer version
[15-Oct-2010 14:10:09] <Orv> Thanks.
[15-Oct-2010 14:13:29] <ericenns> mray: how late today do I have to submit a zenpack for the contest
[15-Oct-2010 14:14:23] <rmatte> I would imagine midnight
[15-Oct-2010 14:14:41] <rmatte> or EOB
[15-Oct-2010 14:14:47] <ericenns> for what timezone
[15-Oct-2010 14:14:58] <ericenns> EOB?
[15-Oct-2010 14:17:15] <mray> I'll check my email tomorrow morning, whatever's in there is in 
[15-Oct-2010 14:17:41] <ericenns> haha ok sweet I think I will submit a copy of my DellEqualLogicMon
[15-Oct-2010 14:19:04] <twm1010> ericenns: what does it do?
[15-Oct-2010 14:20:02] <ericenns> It lists all the harddisks and there size and status, the fans speeds, the storage pool info, and volume info and status
[15-Oct-2010 14:20:30] <twm1010> fantastic...
[15-Oct-2010 14:20:49] <twm1010> i'm building an EQL vmware lab right now
[15-Oct-2010 14:21:06] <ericenns> thanks right now it only works with 1 storage pool because that's all I have to test on
[15-Oct-2010 14:21:36] <ericenns> but I have two Dell EqualLogic 6010xv and you only need one monitored to get all the data
[15-Oct-2010 14:31:33] <ericenns> I am getting an error reading value oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.12740.16.1.2.1.1 is bad, but if I snmp walk it I get a value back
[15-Oct-2010 14:32:32] <ericenns> is this something with the python snmp?
[15-Oct-2010 14:32:44] <rmatte> add a .0 to the end
[15-Oct-2010 14:32:51] <rmatte> it's an index, not an OID
[15-Oct-2010 14:33:04] <rmatte> zenoss is picky about that
[15-Oct-2010 14:33:42] <ericenns> hrm doesn't make sense but I'll try
[15-Oct-2010 14:34:02] <rmatte> ok, I'll make sense of it for you...
[15-Oct-2010 14:34:15] <rmatte> snmpwalk doesn't care whether something is an absolute OID or an index
[15-Oct-2010 14:34:29] <rmatte> so if you walk 1.3.6.1.4.1.12740.16.1.2.1.1 you'll get 1 value back
[15-Oct-2010 14:34:37] <rmatte> but it could theoretically display multiple values
[15-Oct-2010 14:34:45] <rmatte> you need to specify that you're polling the first value
[15-Oct-2010 14:34:47] <rmatte> hence the .0
[15-Oct-2010 14:35:04] <rmatte> understand?
[15-Oct-2010 14:35:24] <fus10nx> rmatte: from the bin file
[15-Oct-2010 14:35:35] <rmatte> fus10nx: /usr/local/zenoss/uninstall as root
[15-Oct-2010 14:35:36] <fus10nx> i installed 3.0.1 and then installed 3.0.2 the same way as you advised
[15-Oct-2010 14:35:39] <rmatte> will uninstall Zenoss
[15-Oct-2010 14:35:46] <ericenns> but the index is .2 there and the instance is .1.1
[15-Oct-2010 14:35:46] <fus10nx> and 100% get rid of everything ?
[15-Oct-2010 14:35:46] <rmatte> then you can download the .bin and install it from scratch
[15-Oct-2010 14:36:08] <fus10nx> it stinks that i'll lose my historial data but i guess that's life right now
[15-Oct-2010 14:36:34] <twm1010> you can save your performance data off
[15-Oct-2010 14:36:48] <fus10nx> eh it's not super important
[15-Oct-2010 14:36:55] <rmatte> ericenns: I'd be willing to bet it's actually 1.1.0
[15-Oct-2010 14:37:09] <rmatte> fus10nx: yes, that will get rid of everything
[15-Oct-2010 14:37:16] <rmatte> the .bin installs everything in /usr/local/zenoss
[15-Oct-2010 14:37:20] <rmatte> there's nothing outside of that
[15-Oct-2010 14:37:28] <fus10nx> its fine ill do a full re-install of Zenoss
[15-Oct-2010 14:37:30] <rmatte> running the uninstall will remove that, and remove the zenoss user
[15-Oct-2010 14:37:37] <cgibbons> yeah, .1.3.6.1.4.1.12740.16.1.2.1. is a table still
[15-Oct-2010 14:37:46] <ericenns> rmatte: I can't add a .0 to the end of it since it is using a snmpindex
[15-Oct-2010 14:37:46] <rmatte> that's what I thought
[15-Oct-2010 14:37:47] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 14:37:59] <fus10nx> hmmm
[15-Oct-2010 14:38:04] <fus10nx> do i have to manually delete /home/zenoss ?"
[15-Oct-2010 14:38:21] <rmatte> ericenns: oh, true
[15-Oct-2010 14:38:34] <ericenns> rmatte: ya so that's the issue im facing
[15-Oct-2010 14:38:38] <rmatte> fus10nx: no
[15-Oct-2010 14:38:45] <fus10nx> no ?
[15-Oct-2010 14:38:45] <fus10nx> ok
[15-Oct-2010 14:38:49] <fus10nx> can I?
[15-Oct-2010 14:38:59] <rmatte> fus10nx: even if that directory gets left behind it won't affect anything
[15-Oct-2010 14:39:01] <rmatte> just leave it
[15-Oct-2010 14:39:03] <fus10nx> k
[15-Oct-2010 14:39:08] <fus10nx> now ill do a fresh install of 3.0.2
[15-Oct-2010 14:39:11] <rmatte> k
[15-Oct-2010 14:39:16] <ericenns> like I set the datasource to 1.3.6.1.4.1.12740.16.1.2.1.1 and then zenoss adds on the .1.1
[15-Oct-2010 14:39:36] <rmatte> yeh, I gotcha
[15-Oct-2010 14:39:54] <ericenns> ya I can show you what snmpwalk outputs for the table
[15-Oct-2010 14:39:55] <rmatte> not sure how you're going to tackle that
[15-Oct-2010 14:40:01] <rmatte> k
[15-Oct-2010 14:40:04] <rmatte> do it with -On
[15-Oct-2010 14:41:19] <ericenns> http://pastebin.com/gP1TRgVS
[15-Oct-2010 14:41:31] <fus10nx> so all i have to do is ./zenoss-stack-3.0.2-linux-x64.bin right?
[15-Oct-2010 14:41:34] <fus10nx> i did chmod +x on it already
[15-Oct-2010 14:41:53] <fus10nx> or ‘sudo ./zenoss-stack-3.0.2-linux-x64.bin right’
[15-Oct-2010 14:42:12] <rmatte> run it as root
[15-Oct-2010 14:42:13] <rmatte> yes
[15-Oct-2010 14:42:32] <fus10nx> installing
[15-Oct-2010 14:42:49] <fus10nx> so when i ran the uninstall it got rid of python, mysql, etc?
[15-Oct-2010 14:43:19] <rmatte> ericenns: oh, I see how they've done the indexing
[15-Oct-2010 14:43:29] <ericenns> oh yeah?
[15-Oct-2010 14:43:55] <rmatte> you need to specify 1.3.6.1.4.1.12740.16.1.2.1 as the address for the snmp table
[15-Oct-2010 14:44:12] <rmatte> then you need to put .1.1 as the value for the table
[15-Oct-2010 14:44:17] <ericenns> i tried that but then zenoss adds on .1.1 and complains again
[15-Oct-2010 14:44:36] <rmatte> hmmm
[15-Oct-2010 14:45:00] <rmatte> yeh I see what you mean, the problem is with the template itself
[15-Oct-2010 14:45:10] * rmatte scratches his head
[15-Oct-2010 14:45:21] <rmatte> you need to somehow get it to add the index and 1.1 together
[15-Oct-2010 14:45:25] <rmatte> instead of just the index
[15-Oct-2010 14:45:31] <ericenns> rmatte: another thing when I try to do a test in zenoss I get back no values is that normal
[15-Oct-2010 14:45:46] <rmatte> if it's not liking the OID, then yes
[15-Oct-2010 14:47:11] <ericenns> ya it doesn't seem to read the same table through zenos
[15-Oct-2010 14:48:00] <ericenns> btw the value is a Counter64
[15-Oct-2010 14:48:06] <rmatte> this is for an actual modeler plugin that you're coding, yes?
[15-Oct-2010 14:48:19] <rmatte> that's fine, shouldn't matter
[15-Oct-2010 14:48:24] <rmatte> a value is a value
[15-Oct-2010 14:48:37] <ericenns> yes testing the oid lower down the tree it only reports on the INTEGER values
[15-Oct-2010 14:48:44] <rmatte> ah
[15-Oct-2010 14:48:56] <rmatte> I'd expect it to be able to handle the counter64 values
[15-Oct-2010 14:48:58] <rmatte> but maybe not
[15-Oct-2010 14:49:14] <ericenns> I guess it doesn't that's kinda dumb
[15-Oct-2010 14:49:20] <rmatte> yeh
[15-Oct-2010 14:49:32] <rmatte> you might have to end up writing a script to handle that data collection
[15-Oct-2010 14:49:40] <ericenns> the test uses snmp v1
[15-Oct-2010 14:49:45] <ericenns> when I snmp I use v2
[15-Oct-2010 14:50:05] <rmatte> the test just uses snmpwalk too
[15-Oct-2010 14:50:22] <rmatte> and zenoss doesn't
[15-Oct-2010 14:50:23] <ericenns> i think it may be a snmp version problem
[15-Oct-2010 14:50:25] <rmatte> zenoss uses twisted
[15-Oct-2010 14:50:29] <rmatte> so the test isn't very useful
[15-Oct-2010 14:50:47] <ericenns> yup changed the version and now it's showing values
[15-Oct-2010 14:50:51] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 14:51:05] <rmatte> either way, Zenoss uses twisted
[15-Oct-2010 14:51:07] <rmatte> not snmpwalk
[15-Oct-2010 14:51:11] <rmatte> so the test is irrelevant
[15-Oct-2010 14:51:30] <ericenns> guess I'll wait and see if the values start coming up now, yeah but it still has to use a certain snmp version or no?
[15-Oct-2010 14:51:38] <rmatte> correct
[15-Oct-2010 14:51:45] <rmatte> you need to change the version to v2 in zProperties
[15-Oct-2010 14:51:52] <ericenns> that’s what I did
[15-Oct-2010 14:51:52] <rmatte> though I think it defaults to v2
[15-Oct-2010 14:51:56] <rmatte> k
[15-Oct-2010 14:52:19] <ericenns> it was at v1 for some reason
[15-Oct-2010 14:52:24] <rmatte> k
[15-Oct-2010 14:53:02] <ericenns> that makes sense to me though for stuff that was happening before on here
[15-Oct-2010 14:53:53] <rmatte> I hope you get your packs in in time lol
[15-Oct-2010 14:54:25] <ericenns> only got this one left so I will submit at end of day however it is lol most of it is working I have been just adding new features
[15-Oct-2010 14:54:27] <rmatte> I'm testing my Cisco Mibs pack right now, but it takes like 5 hours to install
[15-Oct-2010 14:54:30] <rmatte> so I just have to wait
[15-Oct-2010 14:54:35] <ericenns> oh yeah fun stuff
[15-Oct-2010 14:55:00] <rmatte> It creates like 76000 Zope objects for the Mibs
[15-Oct-2010 14:55:01] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 14:55:19] <ericenns> oh wow lol
[15-Oct-2010 14:57:42] <fus10nx> OK hopefully this works
[15-Oct-2010 14:58:44] <cgibbons> what's the worst that could happen...
[15-Oct-2010 15:06:53] <ericenns> so I have a component based off of os and I want Graphs in the display dropdown how do I do that
[15-Oct-2010 15:09:52] <mistich> hello all
[15-Oct-2010 15:10:10] <mistich> quick question where do I set the snmp buffer size cannot remember . this if for pix firewalls had to lower something to allow it to get snmp data?
[15-Oct-2010 15:10:28] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[15-Oct-2010 15:11:44] <mistich> anyone here?
[15-Oct-2010 15:12:10] <fus10nx> why do I always get -       Error reading value for "memoryPagesPerSec" on 5.54.126.193 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.10.0 is bad)
[15-Oct-2010 15:12:21] <fus10nx> same on Memory Avaialble KBytes and CpuPrecent Processor Time
[15-Oct-2010 15:12:31] <fus10nx> does that mean there’s no MIB file for that OID or something?
[15-Oct-2010 15:13:02] <twm1010> mistich: you're looking for zproperty maxoid i think
[15-Oct-2010 15:13:05] <twm1010> change it from 40 to 20
[15-Oct-2010 15:13:20] <twm1010> root
[15-Oct-2010 15:13:22] <mistich> ok thanks
[15-Oct-2010 15:17:44] <fus10nx> whats the best way to upload a mIB?
[15-Oct-2010 15:18:06] <fus10nx> through ssh or web interface?
[15-Oct-2010 15:18:14] <ericenns> download to zenoss then ssh and zenmib run mibfile
[15-Oct-2010 15:18:32] <fus10nx> zenmib whatever.mib ?
[15-Oct-2010 15:18:47] <ericenns> zenmib run whatever.mib i believe
[15-Oct-2010 15:21:47] <fus10nx> bah didnt do anything
[15-Oct-2010 15:33:48] <fus10nx> whats the default admin password?
[15-Oct-2010 15:36:12] <cgibbons> zenoss ?
[15-Oct-2010 15:37:11] <mray> fus10nx: zenpasswd can reset the admin password if you've lost it
[15-Oct-2010 15:42:37] <rmatte> There have been reports of the setup wizard not running in 3.0.2 on a fresh install
[15-Oct-2010 15:42:49] <rmatte> and people don't see to know that the default username and password are admin/zenoss
[15-Oct-2010 15:42:50] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 15:43:02] <rmatte> don't seem to know*
[15-Oct-2010 15:44:14] <cgibbons> if you can run zendmd there's a line you can use to set/reset the flag that lets the quickstart wizard thinger run
[15-Oct-2010 15:44:22] <mray> hmmm… I thought I saw this the other day, I thought my mind had played a trick on me
[15-Oct-2010 15:44:38] <mray> I'm recording demo videos
[15-Oct-2010 15:44:46] <rmatte> cgibbons: right, but you'd expect it to run on a fresh install
[15-Oct-2010 15:44:47] <mray> and my VM didn't reset
[15-Oct-2010 15:45:02] <cgibbons> i blame the cosmic rays
[15-Oct-2010 15:45:06] <rmatte> 
[15-Oct-2010 15:45:07] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 15:45:08] <cgibbons> (i've seen t it too)
[15-Oct-2010 15:45:25] <cgibbons> usually i just assume i did something wrong
[15-Oct-2010 15:45:33] <mray> now I'm writing my script for monitoring template management… yuck
[15-Oct-2010 15:46:03] <rmatte> working with templates in 3.0 is angering
[15-Oct-2010 15:46:33] <rmatte> I've yet to be able to create a template at the root level
[15-Oct-2010 15:46:36] <rmatte> it always messes up
[15-Oct-2010 15:46:52] <rmatte> the dropdown doesn't even load to pick the path
[15-Oct-2010 15:50:06] <fus10nx> mray: really strange i get an error when running zenpasswd
[15-Oct-2010 15:50:21] <rmatte> fus10nx: did you try the password zenoss?
[15-Oct-2010 15:50:24] <rmatte> admin/zenoss
[15-Oct-2010 15:50:28] <fus10nx> check this - http://pastebin.com/kUYGPRk0
[15-Oct-2010 15:50:39] <fus10nx> when i just type ‘zenpasswd’ i get that
[15-Oct-2010 15:50:43] <fus10nx> rmatte: ill try that now
[15-Oct-2010 15:50:56] <rmatte> yeh, that error is displayed when you type a command that doesn't exist
[15-Oct-2010 15:50:59] <rmatte> I noticed that yesterday
[15-Oct-2010 15:51:10] <rmatte> that just means that zenpasswd doesn't actually exist
[15-Oct-2010 15:51:33] <fus10nx> ah, ok
[15-Oct-2010 15:51:36] <fus10nx> i figured out why now
[15-Oct-2010 15:51:40] <fus10nx> i didnt run throught he wizard first
[15-Oct-2010 15:51:41] <fus10nx> all good
[15-Oct-2010 15:51:53] <rmatte> did the wizard load for you?
[15-Oct-2010 15:52:33] <fus10nx> yea
[15-Oct-2010 15:52:37] <rmatte> k
[15-Oct-2010 15:52:38] <fus10nx> im all set now
[15-Oct-2010 15:52:40] <fus10nx> thanks guys
[15-Oct-2010 15:52:41] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 15:52:42] <rmatte> np
[15-Oct-2010 15:56:33] <fus10nx> damnit the aggregate CPU reports still aren’t working
[15-Oct-2010 15:56:38] <fus10nx> maybe it takes a lot longer
[15-Oct-2010 15:58:05] <rmatte> what are you trying to monitor CPU for?
[15-Oct-2010 15:59:01] <rmatte> From what I recall that aggregate report expects very specific datapoint names...
[15-Oct-2010 15:59:19] <rmatte> you need to read up on datapoint aliases
[15-Oct-2010 16:00:44] <fus10nx> i didnt have to do any of that on 3.0.1
[15-Oct-2010 16:00:47] <fus10nx> it just -- worked
[15-Oct-2010 16:00:52] <fus10nx> then ceased working
[15-Oct-2010 16:01:04] <rmatte> no idea thenm
[15-Oct-2010 16:01:06] <rmatte> then*
[15-Oct-2010 16:01:14] <rmatte> maybe try installing 3.0.1 and see if it works again?
[15-Oct-2010 16:01:25] <rmatte> if so, then obviously something changed between 3.0.1 and 3.0.2 which broke it
[15-Oct-2010 16:01:26] <fus10nx> another issue is why my map isnt linking sites that can talk to each other it was so weird because before i had a link from NY to AZ and NOT FL and now i only have a link from NY to FL and no AZ - bizarre
[15-Oct-2010 16:01:46] <rmatte> it links based on each site having an IP address within the same subnet
[15-Oct-2010 16:01:50] <fus10nx> yea its only pulling the CPU information from the Linux server which stinks
[15-Oct-2010 16:01:50] <rmatte> if they don't then you'll get no link
[15-Oct-2010 16:01:57] <fus10nx> they all are
[15-Oct-2010 16:03:05] <fus10nx> such strange behavior with ZenOSS all the time for me
[15-Oct-2010 16:03:09] <fus10nx> always seems ‘buggy’
[15-Oct-2010 16:03:47] <rmatte> they made massive changes between 2.5 and 3.0 so obviously it's going to be buggy
[15-Oct-2010 16:04:01] <fus10nx> zenhub heartbeat failure - what does that mean
[15-Oct-2010 16:04:07] <rmatte> ignore those
[15-Oct-2010 16:04:13] <rmatte> they are too sensitive ever since 2.4/2.5
[15-Oct-2010 16:05:07] <fus10nx> ok
[15-Oct-2010 16:07:01] <fus10nx> rmatte: how many devices are you monitoring/
[15-Oct-2010 16:07:11] <rmatte> over 1000 across 15 servers
[15-Oct-2010 16:08:35] <fus10nx> do u have a picture of your map? that must look awesome
[15-Oct-2010 16:08:47] <rmatte> well it's not 1 map
[15-Oct-2010 16:08:52] <rmatte> it's 15 separate zenoss instances
[15-Oct-2010 16:09:12] <fus10nx> ah i see
[15-Oct-2010 16:09:31] <fus10nx> here i am struggling to get like 4 devices working ha ha
[15-Oct-2010 16:09:40] <rmatte> This is the biggest one: http://dmon.org/graphics/zenoss/gen2.png
[15-Oct-2010 16:31:42] <fus10nx> nice !
[15-Oct-2010 16:31:50] <fus10nx> ok so for some reason now im lockd out entirely
[15-Oct-2010 16:31:51] <fus10nx> wtf
[15-Oct-2010 16:31:59] <fus10nx> oh no
[15-Oct-2010 16:32:00] <fus10nx> wtf !
[15-Oct-2010 16:32:00] <fus10nx> haha
[15-Oct-2010 16:32:04] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[15-Oct-2010 16:32:54] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: did you get a chance to see my code snippet earlier?
[15-Oct-2010 16:36:32] <twm1010> fus10nx: just not your day, go get a beer
[15-Oct-2010 16:37:51] <rmatte> there we go, I just got my last ZenPack submitted to the contest
[15-Oct-2010 16:37:52] <rmatte> woot
[15-Oct-2010 16:38:16] <rmatte> that makes 6 (2 of which are just because I verified that they work in 3.0)
[15-Oct-2010 16:38:22] <Sam-I-Am> woot
[15-Oct-2010 16:38:27] <rmatte> 1 update and 3 new packs
[15-Oct-2010 16:38:54] <Sam-I-Am> i just passed my flight physical, so i can go be unhealthy for 5 more years.
[15-Oct-2010 16:39:04] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 16:39:04] <Sam-I-Am> what a big stressor
[15-Oct-2010 16:41:35] <ericenns> rmatte: leave some prizes for me lol
[15-Oct-2010 16:42:06] <rmatte> hehe
[15-Oct-2010 16:42:18] <ericenns> im still a university student lol
[15-Oct-2010 16:42:49] <rmatte> oh yeh, I forgot about that, you're just working with Zenoss as a project?
[15-Oct-2010 16:43:19] <ericenns> yeh one of my many projects, at my job until christmas then back to the books
[15-Oct-2010 16:43:28] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 16:43:57] <ericenns> Yup, I'm thinking these ZenPacks should make my resume A little better
[15-Oct-2010 16:44:00] <rmatte> I'll maintain your vmware packs if you're not able to
[15-Oct-2010 16:44:10] <rmatte> after you're done school
[15-Oct-2010 16:44:26] <ericenns> I got an ESXi server at home so I can still work on it for the time being
[15-Oct-2010 16:44:43] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 16:44:59] <ericenns> but thanks for the offer, my one zenpack I won't be able to maintain after the job, since I don't have no $100,000 SAN in my closet
[15-Oct-2010 16:45:05] * Sam-I-Am hasnt made a zenpack yet
[15-Oct-2010 16:45:10] <rmatte> hehe
[15-Oct-2010 16:45:20] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: what? everyone has one of those.
[15-Oct-2010 16:45:31] <ericenns> haha really, dang I;m missing out
[15-Oct-2010 16:46:36] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: been slowly trying to hack together an improved routemap plugin
[15-Oct-2010 16:46:54] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 16:47:15] <Sam-I-Am> that variable is still not getting passed into it, but by hardcoding i can make it do stuff
[15-Oct-2010 16:47:43] <Sam-I-Am> also figured out part of the problem is it'll suck down the entire route table and then begin processing... so if you have a large routing table it'll choke anyway.
[15-Oct-2010 16:47:53] <rmatte> yup
[15-Oct-2010 16:48:01] <Sam-I-Am> so i'm trying to modify it to only suck down specified networks
[15-Oct-2010 16:48:09] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 16:48:28] <Sam-I-Am> or an alternative is suck down a specified protocol
[15-Oct-2010 16:49:02] <Sam-I-Am> not sure to what extent i want to fix this... it depends on what the boss thinks.
[15-Oct-2010 16:49:32] <ericenns> I think I may be done this one zenpack now, dont feel like adding anything else at the moment
[15-Oct-2010 16:49:56] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: want to make one that does proper route slurping for dependencies?
[15-Oct-2010 16:50:21] <Sam-I-Am> or something that'll provide a non-braindead way to do manual dependencies
[15-Oct-2010 16:50:45] <ericenns> haha not tonight, I am not really so sure what this all about at the moment
[15-Oct-2010 16:51:29] <ericenns> might be a good python exercise once I learn more of it
[15-Oct-2010 16:51:44] <Sam-I-Am> in short, zenoss will determine device dependencies by pulling routes out of your hosts and routers... supposedly automated. it might work in a small environment, but i run a transport network with 350k routes.  it chokes and dies.
[15-Oct-2010 16:52:10] <twm1010> thats a lot of routes :O
[15-Oct-2010 16:52:23] <ericenns> oh I see, I have a pretty small network I'm dealing with
[15-Oct-2010 16:52:25] <Sam-I-Am> usually either by killing the cpu in the router, or consuming all of the ram on the zenoss box
[15-Oct-2010 16:53:00] <twm1010> Sam-I-Am: is SNMP simply trying to grab too much simultaneously maybe?
[15-Oct-2010 16:53:34] <Sam-I-Am> twm1010: well, the way the plugin is written (and it doesnt help the oids are a bit weird) ... it sucks the entire thing out in one shot.
[15-Oct-2010 16:53:38] <Sam-I-Am> there is no filtering in the plugin
[15-Oct-2010 16:53:49] <Sam-I-Am> as of now it takes zenoss about 30 seconds to process 300 routes.
[15-Oct-2010 16:53:58] <Sam-I-Am> so 350k... might as well give up
[15-Oct-2010 16:54:20] <Sam-I-Am> in fact it never even gets that far... it blows chunks filling the array
[15-Oct-2010 16:54:47] <twm1010> hrmm... you happen to have support?
[15-Oct-2010 16:54:52] <Sam-I-Am> yes
[15-Oct-2010 16:55:00] <twm1010> what's they're take?
[15-Oct-2010 16:55:04] <twm1010> *their
[15-Oct-2010 16:55:39] <Sam-I-Am> well, in general the opinion there... and in here... is it needs a rewrite.  however, for *most* people's environments, it works fine.
[15-Oct-2010 16:55:54] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[15-Oct-2010 16:55:55] <Sam-I-Am> like, probably 99% of their customers
[15-Oct-2010 16:56:51] <Sam-I-Am> the best way to do it using snmp would be to request only what's need to build the dependency tree... not the entire table at once and then process it.
[15-Oct-2010 16:57:13] <rmatte> eugh, that is so weird
[15-Oct-2010 16:57:21] <rmatte> I changed the severity of 36 thresholds to Info
[15-Oct-2010 16:57:28] <rmatte> yet they are still coming in as Warning
[15-Oct-2010 16:57:34] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: rrrreeeboot!
[15-Oct-2010 16:57:42] <rmatte> nah, I've already restarted zenoss
[15-Oct-2010 16:57:44] <rmatte> doesn't help
[15-Oct-2010 16:57:49] <Sam-I-Am> fr0mat heh
[15-Oct-2010 16:58:07] <Sam-I-Am> this in 2.5 or 3?
[15-Oct-2010 16:58:13] <rmatte> 2.5
[15-Oct-2010 17:02:48] <rmatte> oh I see why
[15-Oct-2010 17:02:49] <twm1010> remote collector? did you push?
[15-Oct-2010 17:03:03] <rmatte> the severity is actually set on the event class itself
[15-Oct-2010 17:03:07] <rmatte> hadn't noticed that
[15-Oct-2010 17:03:18] <twm1010> doh!
[15-Oct-2010 17:03:26] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 17:03:33] <twm1010> I'm headed out! have a good weekend everyone.
[15-Oct-2010 17:03:40] <rmatte> you too
[15-Oct-2010 17:04:28] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[15-Oct-2010 17:08:44] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: so in addition to adding the zproperty in zendmd, do i also need to add it to the device class?
[15-Oct-2010 17:09:05] <rmatte> no, zProperties are global
[15-Oct-2010 17:09:08] <Sam-I-Am> hmm
[15-Oct-2010 17:09:20] <rmatte> make sure it's actually set to the proper setting in Zenoss
[15-Oct-2010 17:09:37] <Sam-I-Am> i see the zproperty... i can set it to true/false
[15-Oct-2010 17:09:47] <rmatte> k
[15-Oct-2010 17:09:51] <rmatte> that should be enough then
[15-Oct-2010 17:09:55] <Sam-I-Am> but it isnt making it into the plugin
[15-Oct-2010 17:10:13] <rmatte> you're trying to pull it in with getattr?
[15-Oct-2010 17:10:18] <Sam-I-Am> yes
[15-Oct-2010 17:10:32] <rmatte> ericenns said he was having the same problem with getattr in his vmware pack
[15-Oct-2010 17:10:35] <Sam-I-Am> igpOnly = getattr(device, 'zRouteMapCollectOnlyIGP', False)
[15-Oct-2010 17:10:37] <rmatte> I'm not sure what the solution is
[15-Oct-2010 17:10:41] <Sam-I-Am> it pulls in the other ones
[15-Oct-2010 17:10:48] <Sam-I-Am> but they were also defined before i touched all this
[15-Oct-2010 17:11:02] <rmatte> yeh, he's having a problem with a boolean too
[15-Oct-2010 17:11:10] <rmatte> it's something about the handling of the boolean zproperties
[15-Oct-2010 17:11:29] <rmatte> oh no wait, his was a username and pass
[15-Oct-2010 17:11:31] <rmatte> nevermind
[15-Oct-2010 17:11:32] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 17:11:40] <rmatte> but still same type of issue
[15-Oct-2010 17:11:43] <Sam-I-Am> yeh
[15-Oct-2010 17:11:45] <Sam-I-Am> dammit..
[15-Oct-2010 17:11:58] <rmatte> have you looked at other plugins for reference?
[15-Oct-2010 17:12:16] <Sam-I-Am> this plugin already has 2 booleans that work fine
[15-Oct-2010 17:12:22] <rmatte> hmmm
[15-Oct-2010 17:12:34] <rmatte> there must be a place where it's initially pulling the values down to them
[15-Oct-2010 17:12:43] <rmatte> something like _properties = whatever
[15-Oct-2010 17:12:48] <Sam-I-Am> i'm not enough of a python wizard... or zenoss debugger.. to figure out if the variable is even getting passed to the plugin
[15-Oct-2010 17:12:50] <rmatte> and then getattr pulls from there or something
[15-Oct-2010 17:13:06] <Sam-I-Am> there no errors or anything
[15-Oct-2010 17:13:18] <rmatte> pastebin the plugin code
[15-Oct-2010 17:13:35] <rmatte> I can't troubleshoot without seeing the code
[15-Oct-2010 17:13:43] <Sam-I-Am> one sec..
[15-Oct-2010 17:14:26] <rmatte> k
[15-Oct-2010 17:15:53] <Sam-I-Am> http://pastebin.com/rTya1S9U
[15-Oct-2010 17:16:19] <Sam-I-Am> its more or less the standard routemap.py with some mods
[15-Oct-2010 17:16:36] <Sam-I-Am> and thats just the meat that matters...
[15-Oct-2010 17:16:45] <rmatte> yeh, I see
[15-Oct-2010 17:16:46] <rmatte> hmmm
[15-Oct-2010 17:16:54] <cgibbons> you restart zenhub after changing it?
[15-Oct-2010 17:17:11] <Sam-I-Am> i... dont think so
[15-Oct-2010 17:17:17] <cgibbons> whoops
[15-Oct-2010 17:17:54] <rmatte> yeh, you need to restart to have Zenoss pick up on the new code
[15-Oct-2010 17:18:00] <rmatte> also... I'm not quite sure if this...
[15-Oct-2010 17:18:01] <rmatte> if indirectOnly and om.routetype != 'indirect':
[15-Oct-2010 17:18:05] <rmatte> should be changed to...
[15-Oct-2010 17:18:15] <rmatte> if indirectOnly == "True" and om.routetype != 'indirect':
[15-Oct-2010 17:18:26] <rmatte> It probably does work the first way
[15-Oct-2010 17:18:28] <Sam-I-Am> oh, i hadnt touched that part
[15-Oct-2010 17:18:40] <Sam-I-Am> my stuff was igp-related (the ospf crap)
[15-Oct-2010 17:18:43] <rmatte> oh
[15-Oct-2010 17:18:46] <rmatte> ok
[15-Oct-2010 17:19:02] <rmatte> that's fine then
[15-Oct-2010 17:19:10] <rmatte> but yeh, if you hadn't restarted then that's your problem
[15-Oct-2010 17:19:11] <Sam-I-Am> basically this...
[15-Oct-2010 17:19:12] <Sam-I-Am> if igpOnly and om.routeproto != 'ospf' and om.routeproto != 'local':
[15-Oct-2010 17:19:17] <rmatte> yeh, I saw
[15-Oct-2010 17:19:30] <Sam-I-Am> didnt know about the restart thing... just zenhub or the whole shebang?
[15-Oct-2010 17:19:49] <rmatte> I do the whole shebang, but I think zenhub is all that's required
[15-Oct-2010 17:20:29] <cgibbons> for this just zenhub and the zenmodeler
[15-Oct-2010 17:22:20] <Sam-I-Am> might explain why my fix for the juniperdevice plugin took for manual remodeling, but periodic/automatic kept blowing up
[15-Oct-2010 17:22:38] <Sam-I-Am> something needed a restart
[15-Oct-2010 17:24:10] <rmatte> yup
[15-Oct-2010 17:26:02] <Sam-I-Am> ah, now its working
[15-Oct-2010 17:26:09] <Sam-I-Am> thx
[15-Oct-2010 17:26:45] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 17:27:09] <rmatte> If you get it working well it might be worth trying to get it implemented in a future version
[15-Oct-2010 17:27:19] <Sam-I-Am> the route map fix?
[15-Oct-2010 17:27:25] <rmatte> yes
[15-Oct-2010 17:27:36] <rmatte> I agree that it shouldn't be sucking every damn route down
[15-Oct-2010 17:27:37] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 17:27:50] <Sam-I-Am> at a minimum it should do selective sucking
[15-Oct-2010 17:27:58] <Sam-I-Am> its just a matter of how to do selection
[15-Oct-2010 17:28:07] <rmatte> yeh
[15-Oct-2010 17:28:15] <Sam-I-Am> i suppose i'll do it by network/mask and/or protocol
[15-Oct-2010 17:28:30] <Sam-I-Am> and then derive the oids from those
[15-Oct-2010 17:28:41] <Sam-I-Am> pretty much backwards of how it works now
[15-Oct-2010 17:30:00] <rmatte> yeh
[15-Oct-2010 17:30:03] <rmatte> makes sense
[15-Oct-2010 17:30:18] <Sam-I-Am> now i just need to write it... and i guess learn me some more python
[15-Oct-2010 17:30:29] <rmatte> hehe
[15-Oct-2010 17:30:32] <rmatte> python isn't that bad
[15-Oct-2010 17:30:44] <Sam-I-Am> sure, its just not anywhere close to being in my job description.
[15-Oct-2010 17:30:50] <rmatte> one of the easiest languages, but very powerful
[15-Oct-2010 17:30:58] <rmatte> hehe
[15-Oct-2010 17:31:08] <Sam-I-Am> so its more a matter of convincing someone i need to do this and it'll benefit the org
[15-Oct-2010 17:31:19] <rmatte> using Zenoss and learning python pretty much go hand in hand
[15-Oct-2010 17:31:26] <rmatte> I didn't know any python before I started using Zenoss
[15-Oct-2010 17:31:27] <Sam-I-Am> i think working dependencies would be awesome (assuming the rest of the dependency stuff works)
[15-Oct-2010 17:31:34] <rmatte> yeh
[15-Oct-2010 17:32:17] <Sam-I-Am> or just making a way to do manual dependencies
[15-Oct-2010 17:32:54] <rmatte> Interesting
[15-Oct-2010 17:33:01] <rmatte> I just got a potential job offer from google
[15-Oct-2010 17:33:02] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 17:33:09] <rmatte> out of the blue
[15-Oct-2010 17:33:21] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[15-Oct-2010 17:33:28] <Sam-I-Am> once you get sucked in, you dont come back
[15-Oct-2010 17:33:36] <Sam-I-Am> i've had 2 friends go to work there and i havent heard from them since
[15-Oct-2010 17:33:46] <rmatte> haha
[15-Oct-2010 17:35:13] <rmatte> Network Transport Engineer
[15-Oct-2010 17:35:21] <rmatte> Install and maintain operational support systems for optical network elements. Develop automation tools for testing, configuration, auditing and monitoring of fault and performance of optical network elements.
[15-Oct-2010 17:35:22] <Sam-I-Am> doesnt sound very zenossy
[15-Oct-2010 17:35:30] <rmatte> I suspect they want me for my monitoring experience
[15-Oct-2010 17:35:35] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[15-Oct-2010 17:35:45] <Sam-I-Am> although zenoss doesnt have a clue how to monitor my optical gear
[15-Oct-2010 17:35:51] <Sam-I-Am> its all proprietary from ciena
[15-Oct-2010 17:36:00] <rmatte> yeh, something would need to be coded
[15-Oct-2010 17:36:12] <rmatte> I'm pretty good at customizing Zenoss at this point
[15-Oct-2010 17:36:17] <Sam-I-Am> i'd say so
[15-Oct-2010 17:36:42] <Sam-I-Am> its something i need to do too... not sure how i'd get it working yet
[15-Oct-2010 17:36:44] <rmatte> the emphasis of this job appears to be optical
[15-Oct-2010 17:36:52] <rmatte> and I have almost no experience with optical gear
[15-Oct-2010 17:37:10] <Sam-I-Am> eh, its more or less link up/down, light levels, and errors
[15-Oct-2010 17:37:18] <Sam-I-Am> making sure whatever you've provisioned is working
[15-Oct-2010 17:38:13] <ericenns> damn
[15-Oct-2010 17:38:27] <Sam-I-Am> depends on what they're doing for optical transport
[15-Oct-2010 17:38:30] <rmatte> wow, I don't know if I want to pursue that or not
[15-Oct-2010 17:38:32] <rmatte> it's tempting
[15-Oct-2010 17:38:52] <ericenns> sounds tempting
[15-Oct-2010 17:38:56] <Sam-I-Am> cant hurt
[15-Oct-2010 17:39:02] <Sam-I-Am> maybe you can at least figure out what they want
[15-Oct-2010 17:39:28] <rmatte> yeh, I think I will reply
[15-Oct-2010 17:39:37] <rmatte> google would be a pimp company to get in to
[15-Oct-2010 17:39:38] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 17:39:51] <ericenns> damn rights lol
[15-Oct-2010 17:39:53] <Sam-I-Am> and then we'll never hear from you again
[15-Oct-2010 17:39:58] <Sam-I-Am> farewell!
[15-Oct-2010 17:41:08] <Sam-I-Am> google poked me for a job once... then it turned out it was something totally different than they told me
[15-Oct-2010 17:44:40] <rmatte> there, I just replied, I'll see what they say
[15-Oct-2010 17:45:06] <rmatte> It's nice getting an offer from an actual big company for a change, normally I just get calls from recruiters every other day
[15-Oct-2010 17:45:07] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 17:46:02] <Sam-I-Am> go for it
[15-Oct-2010 17:46:18] <Sam-I-Am> its a work hard play hard environment
[15-Oct-2010 17:51:16] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[15-Oct-2010 17:52:00] <cgibbons> they've been bugging a lot of the zenoss devs for a while, too
[15-Oct-2010 17:52:11] <Sam-I-Am> they cant have everyone
[15-Oct-2010 17:52:21] <Sam-I-Am> otherwise we'd just have google and walmart... oh wait.
[15-Oct-2010 17:52:23] <rmatte> yeh, Matt just mentioned that to me
[15-Oct-2010 17:52:42] <rmatte> The recruiter's linkedin page says "Currently looking for excellent coders with background in systems or networking."
[15-Oct-2010 17:52:58] <rmatte> they must have some monitoring project on the go
[15-Oct-2010 17:53:08] <cgibbons> california is always the showstopper for moi
[15-Oct-2010 17:53:09] <Sam-I-Am> they have every project on the go
[15-Oct-2010 17:53:15] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: tell me about it
[15-Oct-2010 17:53:23] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[15-Oct-2010 17:53:25] <Sam-I-Am> too crowded, too expensive, but the weather's nice
[15-Oct-2010 17:53:39] <rmatte> yeh, well, I'm not going to move for the job though, so if it required relocation that's a no go
[15-Oct-2010 17:53:43] <ericenns> any ideas as what to do to figure out why a snmp modeler plugin isn't getting picked up I have looked at the zenhub and zenmodeler logs to no avail
[15-Oct-2010 17:54:02] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: its not showing up in the plugins list?
[15-Oct-2010 17:54:11] <ericenns> it shows up in the plugin list
[15-Oct-2010 17:54:17] <ericenns> no it doesn't i men
[15-Oct-2010 17:54:17] <Sam-I-Am> did you select it?
[15-Oct-2010 17:54:18] <ericenns> mean
[15-Oct-2010 17:54:24] <ericenns> i selected it
[15-Oct-2010 17:54:34] <rmatte> you sure you have the folder structure correct in the pack?
[15-Oct-2010 17:54:57] <ericenns> yes correct folder struc
[15-Oct-2010 17:55:10] <rmatte> hmmm
[15-Oct-2010 17:55:21] <rmatte> you're sure the class names in the plugin are all correct?
[15-Oct-2010 17:55:26] <rmatte> even the smallest error and you won't see it
[15-Oct-2010 17:55:30] <ericenns> it is the only one in my modeler plugin list I will check again
[15-Oct-2010 17:55:35] <rmatte> k
[15-Oct-2010 17:56:06] * Sam-I-Am wanders off... home time!
[15-Oct-2010 17:56:21] <rmatte> later
[15-Oct-2010 17:59:18] <ericenns> ok so I'm restarting zenoss then I will try again
[15-Oct-2010 18:04:16] <ericenns> You know what it's good for now lol
[15-Oct-2010 18:06:14] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 18:06:44] <ericenns> ya lol I'm tired and need to eat I got the broken stuff working so it's good
[15-Oct-2010 18:09:05] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 18:09:13] <rmatte> what was it?
[15-Oct-2010 18:09:25] <ericenns> what was broken, just some graphs
[15-Oct-2010 18:09:43] <ericenns> oh I never got the modeler plguin working I gave up
[15-Oct-2010 18:11:06] <ericenns> I was going to add some temp stuff but It was going to take a long time so it's left for later
[15-Oct-2010 18:11:17] <rmatte> cool
[15-Oct-2010 18:13:38] <Sam-I-Am> ahh, home... where more irc is
[15-Oct-2010 18:14:32] <ericenns> and quick
[15-Oct-2010 18:15:07] <Sam-I-Am> bout 1.5 miles
[15-Oct-2010 18:18:49] <ericenns> cool, I got a 10Km bike to work
[15-Oct-2010 18:22:26] <ericenns> sent of my 3rd new zenpack
[15-Oct-2010 18:22:33] <ericenns> woohoo
[15-Oct-2010 18:24:04] <cgibbons> hurm i could use a bike ride today
[15-Oct-2010 18:24:07] <cgibbons> cool, eric
[15-Oct-2010 18:24:58] <ericenns> yup I bike to work everyday in a city where motorists extremely distest cyclests
[15-Oct-2010 18:25:37] <rmatte> if I biked to work I wouldn't make it until the end of the day
[15-Oct-2010 18:25:38] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 18:25:48] <ericenns> haha no lol why not
[15-Oct-2010 18:26:01] <rmatte> I live crazy far from work
[15-Oct-2010 18:26:11] <rmatte> it's almost an hour by car, 2 hours by bus
[15-Oct-2010 18:26:17] <rmatte> biking would be ridiculous
[15-Oct-2010 18:26:38] <ericenns> mine is 45 min by bus, 30 by bike, and 20 by car
[15-Oct-2010 18:26:41] <cgibbons> when i had a place in austin last year i would bike commute to zenoss a lot. i miss doing that.
[15-Oct-2010 18:27:09] <cgibbons> so instead now i just go for long rides during lunch 
[15-Oct-2010 18:27:36] <ericenns> cool, I enjoy biking a lot
[15-Oct-2010 18:27:49] <rmatte> well, the other thing is it's almost an hour by highway, and you can't go on the highway with a bike
[15-Oct-2010 18:28:00] <rmatte> so I'd have to take the route that would be like an hour and a half by car
[15-Oct-2010 18:28:01] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 18:28:20] <ericenns> oh I see lol
[15-Oct-2010 18:28:57] <cgibbons> that sounds perfect
[15-Oct-2010 18:29:04] <cgibbons> you'd never be stressed out @ work or after with that
[15-Oct-2010 18:29:05] <rmatte> bleh
[15-Oct-2010 18:29:18] <rmatte> I'd never get any work either because I'd be sleeping under my desk
[15-Oct-2010 18:29:23] <rmatte> work done*
[15-Oct-2010 18:29:25] <chachan> ericenns, where are you from?
[15-Oct-2010 18:29:42] <ericenns> I'm from Winnipeg
[15-Oct-2010 18:29:47] <rmatte> winter is also coming up, biking in -30 degree weather is impossible
[15-Oct-2010 18:30:26] <ericenns> I know I may have until end of November if I'm lucky these 3 celsius rides in the morning are starting to get cold lol
[15-Oct-2010 18:30:28] <Sam-I-Am> oh, its fun!
[15-Oct-2010 18:30:31] <cgibbons> yeah that would suck
[15-Oct-2010 18:30:33] * Sam-I-Am has studded tires on his bike
[15-Oct-2010 18:30:38] <cgibbons> but riding when it's 110f heat index out sucks really bad, too
[15-Oct-2010 18:31:06] <ericenns> non studded riding in winter is fun when the wind comes and knocks you over
[15-Oct-2010 18:31:07] <cgibbons> i spent last week at high altitude so coming back home was like getting a shot of EPO or something. too bad that won't last.
[15-Oct-2010 18:31:28] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: yeah, this summer was super hot
[15-Oct-2010 18:31:36] <Sam-I-Am> <- racer
[15-Oct-2010 18:31:55] <Sam-I-Am> some of those hot races just killed me... i'd overheat, puke, and be done.
[15-Oct-2010 18:32:06] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: road or mountain
[15-Oct-2010 18:32:09] <Sam-I-Am> road
[15-Oct-2010 18:32:13] <rmatte> yeh, I can't handle extreme heat overly well
[15-Oct-2010 18:32:33] <cgibbons> there's a point where the heat/humidty just kills me, even though i live in it all t he time. can't cool down, so the brain will shut me down. it sucks. feels like a bonk when it happens. once the first cool front @ the end of september came in it was such a treat.
[15-Oct-2010 18:32:36] <Sam-I-Am> anything much above 85 with humidity is rediculous
[15-Oct-2010 18:32:40] <cgibbons> yep
[15-Oct-2010 18:32:45] <cgibbons> that's the point
[15-Oct-2010 18:32:48] <ericenns> oh my favorite ride this year was when a wasp went down my collar and bike me three times while in rush hour traffic
[15-Oct-2010 18:32:57] <Sam-I-Am> my trainer seems to think he can improve my hot weather riding capabilities... but we'll see.
[15-Oct-2010 18:33:02] <rmatte> wasps suck
[15-Oct-2010 18:33:03] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: ugh..
[15-Oct-2010 18:33:09] <rmatte> I got nailed last time I was playing paintball
[15-Oct-2010 18:33:33] <chachan> I can't ride bike in my city, it's dangerous
[15-Oct-2010 18:33:36] <cgibbons> i had a couple of long runs a few weeks ago... one week it was 78F with 75F dew point.. 9 agonizing miles. next week it was 75F with a 55F dew point, did 10 miles 11 minutes faster total than the 9 miles the week before. crazyness.
[15-Oct-2010 18:33:37] <ericenns> yeah I went to the closest bike shop and bought a cycling jersey right away so that it wouldn't happen again
[15-Oct-2010 18:33:38] <rmatte> I was in a truck with my buddy, and a wasp started stinging his leg
[15-Oct-2010 18:33:39] <chachan> 
[15-Oct-2010 18:33:40] <Sam-I-Am> i love this time of year... been great riding since early september
[15-Oct-2010 18:33:41] <rmatte> we almost went off the road
[15-Oct-2010 18:33:42] <rmatte> lol
[15-Oct-2010 18:34:10] <Sam-I-Am> too bad race season is mostly over by then
[15-Oct-2010 18:34:28] <ericenns> chachan: ya that sucks I've been lucky it seems I hear a lot of people in my city get door prizes
[15-Oct-2010 18:34:38] <cgibbons> i had a wasp/bee land on my leg when i was descending off wolf creek pass on colorado this june... didn't think and swatted at it, bad idea at 45 mph. bike got squirrely. could have ended very very badly.
[15-Oct-2010 18:34:57] <chachan> cya guys
[15-Oct-2010 18:35:04] <cgibbons> the locals reminded me to 'take the sting' 
[15-Oct-2010 18:35:08] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: the thing i notice most is heart rate.  i can hammer at 180 forever, but much above that i cant maintain even if i'm not going any faster/harder. in hot weather, i quickly see 195 at the same effort level and poof, i'm blown
[15-Oct-2010 18:35:35] <cgibbons> yeah that whole effort per heart rate is a great indicator in the heat
[15-Oct-2010 18:35:36] <cgibbons> do you train with power?
[15-Oct-2010 18:35:47] <Sam-I-Am> nope, just HR for now
[15-Oct-2010 18:36:02] <Sam-I-Am> i think my trainer is hooking me up with power this winter
[15-Oct-2010 18:36:33] <cgibbons> there's a cool metric some of the software does... the Pw:HR ratio. imagine two linear trend-lines for your heat-rate and power.. if the percentage difference is close (under 5%) then it means you're pretty fit, otherwise you need more base fitness.... in theory... if you don't live somewhere hot.
[15-Oct-2010 18:36:45] <cgibbons> all summer my Pw:HR would be like 15-20%... as soon as that cool front came through, 2.5%
[15-Oct-2010 18:36:49] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, i think thats kinda what he's looking at
[15-Oct-2010 18:37:08] <cgibbons> training with power is awesome, really helps
[15-Oct-2010 18:37:34] <Sam-I-Am> i remember a time trial from june... hit 195 quickly, puked, and averaged 21 mph.  just did the same time trial last weekend in 55F... i kept a solid 180 and did 24 mph avg.  also didnt puke.
[15-Oct-2010 18:37:53] <cgibbons> ugh
[15-Oct-2010 18:37:54] <Sam-I-Am> and i'm way less fit now than i was during peak of race season
[15-Oct-2010 18:38:00] <cgibbons> those #s.... you must be young 
[15-Oct-2010 18:38:12] <Sam-I-Am> ha, soon hitting the big three zero
[15-Oct-2010 18:38:20] <Sam-I-Am> it kinda sucked this year putting my race age as "30"
[15-Oct-2010 18:38:24] <cgibbons> heh
[15-Oct-2010 18:38:44] <Sam-I-Am> i'm a weird beast though... i can kill people on hills, but flats i kinda suck.
[15-Oct-2010 18:38:51] <Sam-I-Am> might be 4 years of living in colorado
[15-Oct-2010 18:38:56] <cgibbons> highest ive ever seen mine was at 184... that was also in my first crit in '08... i made the mistake of looking, i saw that #, and immediately got dropped since i mentally freaked out at the #. lesson learned.
[15-Oct-2010 18:38:57] <ericenns> any sugesstions what I should but for company in the contribution forms, can't put mine for legal reasons
[15-Oct-2010 18:39:47] <Sam-I-Am> ha, there is the heart rate freaking problem... coach tells me i might just avoid wearing one for things other than time trials
[15-Oct-2010 18:39:55] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: "god, inc."
[15-Oct-2010 18:40:20] <ericenns> haha nice
[15-Oct-2010 18:40:37] <ericenns> I'll just go with my online alias
[15-Oct-2010 18:40:54] <Sam-I-Am> why would your company not want the info published?
[15-Oct-2010 18:42:06] <ericenns> because they don't believe in open source, but my boss and supervisor do
[15-Oct-2010 18:42:16] <cgibbons> you wouldn't like rides like this one then (one of my normal longer routes): http://connect.garmin.com/activity/43700388 - ~110 ft real elevation gain over 72 miles. no hills, but lots of wind!
[15-Oct-2010 18:44:03] <cgibbons> do you not have any IP agreements you have to worry about, eric, or is this all after-hours stuff anyway?
[15-Oct-2010 18:44:15] <Sam-I-Am> heh, houston
[15-Oct-2010 18:44:18] <Sam-I-Am> super humid!
[15-Oct-2010 18:45:01] <ericenns> I have no IP agreements to worry about
[15-Oct-2010 18:45:07] <cgibbons> excellent
[15-Oct-2010 18:45:15] <Sam-I-Am> i spent the first 4 years of my life in missouri city
[15-Oct-2010 18:45:16] <mray> yeah, as long as it's in good faith
[15-Oct-2010 18:45:18] <cgibbons> why not just n/a then?
[15-Oct-2010 18:45:35] <cgibbons> right next door to me then
[15-Oct-2010 18:45:39] <ericenns> I could've done that, but oh well a little to late
[15-Oct-2010 18:45:39] <cgibbons> litterally across the street
[15-Oct-2010 18:45:44] <Sam-I-Am> 2239 stillmeadow drive
[15-Oct-2010 18:45:50] <Sam-I-Am> probably still there
[15-Oct-2010 18:45:52] <mray> cgibbons: I'd think about switching to a Garmin setup, but I like my Nike+ stats
[15-Oct-2010 18:46:20] <cgibbons> i really like mine, matt. i've got the 310xt and then i just got the edge 500 recently for just the bike. i'll use the 310xt for the multi-sport days.
[15-Oct-2010 18:46:26] <Sam-I-Am> wait, i just realized something... a group of nerds who get exercise?
[15-Oct-2010 18:46:37] <mray> heh
[15-Oct-2010 18:46:38] <cgibbons> i think briane is getting a 300 after seeing the garmin connect website
[15-Oct-2010 18:46:48] <Sam-I-Am> i havent gone gps on the bike yet
[15-Oct-2010 18:46:54] <mray> cgibbons: I've got around 300 or so runs logged, 1200 miles or so
[15-Oct-2010 18:46:55] <Sam-I-Am> still running old school
[15-Oct-2010 18:47:39] <mray> later gents, happy exercising ;p
[15-Oct-2010 18:48:00] <Sam-I-Am> enjoy
[15-Oct-2010 18:48:14] <Sam-I-Am> probably ride tomorrow... cant pass up on the weather
[15-Oct-2010 18:48:25] <Sam-I-Am> although its gonna be windy... so both flying and cycling will suck.
[15-Oct-2010 18:48:37] <ericenns> later
[15-Oct-2010 18:48:53] <Sam-I-Am> flying makes cycling look cheap
[15-Oct-2010 18:52:47] <Sam-I-Am> time to find me a coffee shop
[15-Oct-2010 19:10:22] <cgibbons> pouf
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[18-Oct-2010 09:25:04] <ericenns> morning
[18-Oct-2010 09:33:30] <imeyer> g'morning!
[18-Oct-2010 09:36:55] <Sam-I-Am> morning folks
[18-Oct-2010 09:37:37] <aclark> ericenns, imeyer, Sam-I-Am: howdy
[18-Oct-2010 09:37:58] * imeyer bows
[18-Oct-2010 09:38:04] <imeyer> how was everyone's weekend?
[18-Oct-2010 09:38:30] <Sam-I-Am> busy
[18-Oct-2010 09:38:35] <Sam-I-Am> need more weekend to recover
[18-Oct-2010 09:39:07] <imeyer> ha, yeah
[18-Oct-2010 09:40:50] <ericenns> not long enough
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[18-Oct-2010 10:17:09] <Sam-I-Am> durrr, i was hoping the application profiles zenpack would classify by device name
[18-Oct-2010 10:23:31] <mducharme1> morning
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[18-Oct-2010 10:24:00] <mducharme> why in zenoss 3.x is the feature now gone where the color dims if all events have been acknowledged
[18-Oct-2010 10:24:39] <mducharme> we have a device with a false critical alert, we just acknowledged it in 2.5.2 so that it goes to the pale red color instead of bright red
[18-Oct-2010 10:24:55] <mducharme> now that we have upgraded to 3.0.2 it is bright red even though it is accknowledged
[18-Oct-2010 10:25:31] <mducharme> how do we get the pale colors back again?
[18-Oct-2010 10:26:59] <Sam-I-Am> dunno... the interface changed quite a bit
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[18-Oct-2010 10:44:21] <cgibbons> zzz
[18-Oct-2010 10:45:07] <Simon4> bit early for that? 
[18-Oct-2010 10:45:34] <cgibbons> coming off my coffee high i think
[18-Oct-2010 10:46:03] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, interesting how the default routemap plugin skips /32 interfaces
[18-Oct-2010 10:46:10] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: add more caffeine
[18-Oct-2010 10:46:26] * Sam-I-Am is americano-ing
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[18-Oct-2010 11:20:56] <xuru> hey guys
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[18-Oct-2010 11:21:25] <xuru> quick question, how do I get software inventory to work on linux machines?
[18-Oct-2010 11:22:17] <xuru> I have zenoss.snmp.HRSWInstalledMap plugin enabled, but it doesn't seem to work
[18-Oct-2010 11:25:18] <mray> xuru: which Linux?
[18-Oct-2010 11:25:19] <Sam-I-Am> did you try running it from the command line?
[18-Oct-2010 11:25:30] <xuru> mray: ubuntu
[18-Oct-2010 11:25:33] <mray> xuru: it probably only works with RHEL
[18-Oct-2010 11:25:38] <mray> xuru: 1 second
[18-Oct-2010 11:25:50] <mray> xuru: blogs/zenossblog/2009/02/18/tip-of-the-month-snmp-software-inventory-for-debian-and-ubuntu-machines
[18-Oct-2010 11:26:01] <xuru> ooo sweet, ty
[18-Oct-2010 11:26:48] <xuru> that would be nice to have in a zenpack
[18-Oct-2010 11:29:14] <xuru> I thought that ZenPacks.community.Ubuntu would work with zenoss.cmd.linux.ubuntu_aptitude
[18-Oct-2010 11:33:59] <mray> yeah, that would be useful
[18-Oct-2010 11:39:26] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[18-Oct-2010 11:58:13] <ericenns> any one monitoring a clustor with zenoss?
[18-Oct-2010 11:58:39] <imeyer> define cluster
[18-Oct-2010 11:58:49] <imeyer> i monitoring about 34 nodes with it
[18-Oct-2010 11:58:52] <imeyer> that do one thing
[18-Oct-2010 11:58:59] <ericenns> a rocks clustor?
[18-Oct-2010 11:59:10] <imeyer> oh
[18-Oct-2010 11:59:40] <ericenns> eg. my clustors are running centos rocks, I have a head node, but the other nodes are on a clustor only subnet
[18-Oct-2010 12:01:01] <ericenns> the head node is running a ganglia server and the clustor nodes are running a ganglia service
[18-Oct-2010 12:01:39] <imeyer> ericenns: you could install zenoss on the headnode and run it in distributed mode
[18-Oct-2010 12:02:16] <ericenns> hmm I have never done that before, I'll think about that
[18-Oct-2010 12:03:43] <imeyer> i'm doing that for monitoring instances in each of our ec2 regions
[18-Oct-2010 12:03:53] <imeyer> to circumvent latency issues 
[18-Oct-2010 12:06:43] <ericenns> ok cool are you planning on uses bigegor zenpack
[18-Oct-2010 12:07:07] <imeyer> that's what i'm using
[18-Oct-2010 12:07:37] <ericenns> ok I will try that on my test cluster we are already using ganglia so I plan on using the ganglia zenpack
[18-Oct-2010 12:12:59] <Sam-I-Am> do you guys know if a 32-bit collector will work with a 64-bit zenoss "management" install?
[18-Oct-2010 12:13:10] <Sam-I-Am> or do all collectors need to be the same bitness as the central server
[18-Oct-2010 12:19:46] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[18-Oct-2010 12:19:55] <ericenns> I don't know this is my first foray
[18-Oct-2010 12:20:01] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: It should work in theory, it's just relaying data
[18-Oct-2010 12:20:05] <rmatte> it's the same data being relayed
[18-Oct-2010 12:20:32] <rmatte> That's kind of like asking if a 32bit version of firefox can communicate with a 64bit web server
[18-Oct-2010 12:20:42] <rmatte> 
[18-Oct-2010 12:22:20] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, i figured it would be fine
[18-Oct-2010 12:22:37] <kobalt> Sam-I-Am, yes it will I am running it now
[18-Oct-2010 12:22:59] <Sam-I-Am> does the collector handle device templates and alerting rules?
[18-Oct-2010 12:23:26] <kobalt> I have had no problems it collects the data etc, etc
[18-Oct-2010 12:23:43] <kobalt> the RRD are created on the 32 for the devices that are monitored by the 32
[18-Oct-2010 12:23:56] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[18-Oct-2010 12:24:11] <Sam-I-Am> which would be an issue if i needed to move them to a 64-bit box... but for this particular set of data its not a big del
[18-Oct-2010 12:24:20] <kobalt> been running about 8 months with no problems
[18-Oct-2010 12:24:29] <Sam-I-Am> not sure why rrdtool hasnt fixed their architecture issues
[18-Oct-2010 12:24:41] <kobalt> there is a RRD to XML converter script you can use
[18-Oct-2010 12:24:54] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[18-Oct-2010 12:26:37] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: although the sysadmin here suspected it'd be fine, he likes solid answers 
[18-Oct-2010 12:26:53] <xuru> mray: gah, I figured out what it was...  I installed the ubuntu zenpack and restarted zope, but something else needed to be restarted because it wasn't getting to the modelers
[18-Oct-2010 12:27:08] <Sam-I-Am> trying to get a zenoss + collector(s) environment going... spreading out from 1 box doing everything.
[18-Oct-2010 12:30:56] <imeyer> if you assign a group an alerting rule, all members of said group will get the alert, yes?
[18-Oct-2010 12:31:11] <Sam-I-Am> i believe so
[18-Oct-2010 12:31:13] <imeyer> (provided it's configured to send an email/sms/whatever)
[18-Oct-2010 12:32:39] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: the master always handles templates, event rules, alerting rules
[18-Oct-2010 12:33:10] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: all the remote collector does is run the collection daemons to gather the data and fire it back to zenhub on the master
[18-Oct-2010 12:33:14] <rmatte> the master does everything else
[18-Oct-2010 12:35:50] <Sam-I-Am> so if a box dies that the collector is monitoring, it just passes that a ping failed, and the master determines what to alert on from there?
[18-Oct-2010 12:36:06] <Sam-I-Am> i know i could just read about this, but i have someone sitting over my shoulder 
[18-Oct-2010 12:36:26] <rmatte> yeh, instead of the master going to the locally running zenping it goes to the remote zenping for that device
[18-Oct-2010 12:36:36] <rmatte> same for zenperfsnmp, etc...
[18-Oct-2010 12:37:01] <rmatte> zope is not actually running on the remote collector
[18-Oct-2010 12:37:04] <ericenns> I can't install zenoss on my computer since the /home partition is mounted any ideas on how I can change the location for the zenoss user?
[18-Oct-2010 12:37:05] <rmatte> just the collector daemons
[18-Oct-2010 12:37:10] <Sam-I-Am> aight
[18-Oct-2010 12:37:33] <rmatte> ericenns: I'm not sure I follow
[18-Oct-2010 12:38:02] <ericenns> ok I try to install zenoss but it fails to create the user, I need to use /export/home instead of /home
[18-Oct-2010 12:38:19] <rmatte> ericenns: what does /home point to?
[18-Oct-2010 12:39:26] <ericenns> I've not exaclty sure but I know I can't use it
[18-Oct-2010 12:39:45] <ericenns> would I be able to create a zenoss user before I install?
[18-Oct-2010 12:40:02] <Simon4> ericenns: I do when using the rpm install
[18-Oct-2010 12:40:07] <Simon4> (create the user first)
[18-Oct-2010 12:40:35] <ericenns> ok I will try that then, just a useradd zenoss and pwd zenoss?
[18-Oct-2010 12:40:57] <Simon4> that should work, I do it in puppet as part of our automation
[18-Oct-2010 12:41:22] <rmatte> well, he's going to have to specify the home dir, the shell, etc...
[18-Oct-2010 12:41:24] <rmatte> but yeh
[18-Oct-2010 12:41:51] <rmatte> there's also the environment variables... not sure if the setup will configure those properly after the fact
[18-Oct-2010 12:43:14] <ericenns> ok hmm will try
[18-Oct-2010 12:43:30] <rmatte> I'm surprised that you guys don't just have /home as a symlink to /export/home
[18-Oct-2010 12:46:13] <ericenns> I forgot to do a rocks sync users
[18-Oct-2010 12:46:23] <ericenns> I'm new to this clustering stuff
[18-Oct-2010 12:46:43] <rmatte> ah
[18-Oct-2010 12:46:50] <rmatte> yeh, I've never done clustering
[18-Oct-2010 12:47:26] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: for a single device, do you know if zenoss can do independent timing for different parts?  in other words, is there a way to monitor network interfaces every 1 minute, but the chassis stuff (fan speed, etc) on the same devices at 5 min intervals?
[18-Oct-2010 12:49:00] <rmatte> no it can't
[18-Oct-2010 12:49:03] <rmatte> those are global
[18-Oct-2010 12:49:09] <rmatte> well, global per collector
[18-Oct-2010 12:49:18] <Sam-I-Am> thought so
[18-Oct-2010 12:49:26] <Sam-I-Am> theres some huge pow-wow in my office right now :/
[18-Oct-2010 12:49:39] <rmatte> lol
[18-Oct-2010 12:50:00] <rmatte> yeh, you work for some aboriginal organization yeh?
[18-Oct-2010 12:50:28] <Sam-I-Am> aboriginal?
[18-Oct-2010 12:50:43] <rmatte> or am I thinking of someone else
[18-Oct-2010 12:50:47] <rmatte> there was someone in here who did
[18-Oct-2010 12:50:54] <rmatte> aboriginal as in first nations
[18-Oct-2010 12:51:01] <ericenns> i.e. Native, American Indian, First Nations
[18-Oct-2010 12:51:08] <Sam-I-Am> oh, no
[18-Oct-2010 12:51:11] <Sam-I-Am> well, not i
[18-Oct-2010 12:51:15] <rmatte> ok, then it was someone else in here
[18-Oct-2010 12:51:25] <ericenns> thats mducharme
[18-Oct-2010 12:51:28] <rmatte> ah, right
[18-Oct-2010 12:51:42] <rmatte> lol
[18-Oct-2010 12:52:10] <rmatte> I took "pow-wow" in the literal sense
[18-Oct-2010 12:53:01] <Sam-I-Am> haha
[18-Oct-2010 12:53:08] <rmatte> 
[18-Oct-2010 12:56:50] <ericenns> anyone here use bigegors remote collector zenpack
[18-Oct-2010 12:57:06] <ericenns> i.e. Distributed Collectors
[18-Oct-2010 12:57:07] <rmatte> no, but I know a lot about it
[18-Oct-2010 12:57:18] <rmatte> also egor just joined lol
[18-Oct-2010 12:57:39] <ericenns> ok I saw that lol, I am kinda confused by the directions lol
[18-Oct-2010 12:57:46] <rmatte> which part?
[18-Oct-2010 12:58:17] <ericenns> I installed the zenpack yay and did a restart, then I just installed zenoss on another device and setup public key authentication to it
[18-Oct-2010 12:58:28] <rmatte> read down in the comments on the zenpack page, I made some posts explaining that in greater detail.  I'll have to write it up more formally and get it added to the page itself.
[18-Oct-2010 12:58:37] <rmatte> there are some extra steps required
[18-Oct-2010 12:58:59] <ericenns> oh yeah thats what I thought, I glanced at the comments but I guess I didn't see yours
[18-Oct-2010 12:59:08] <rmatte> yeah, they are there 
[18-Oct-2010 13:00:10] <rmatte> man I need more RAM in this PC
[18-Oct-2010 13:12:39] <ericenns> lol yeah
[18-Oct-2010 13:13:15] <imeyer> rmatte: buy a mac
[18-Oct-2010 13:13:18] <imeyer> 
[18-Oct-2010 13:13:35] <rmatte> imeyer: I prefer to run Linux
[18-Oct-2010 13:13:43] <Simon4> then he'll just say "I need more RAM in this mac" 
[18-Oct-2010 13:13:48] <imeyer> Simon4: haha
[18-Oct-2010 13:13:52] <rmatte> I can run Linux on a Mac, but what's the point?
[18-Oct-2010 13:13:58] <imeyer> it's a mac
[18-Oct-2010 13:13:58] <rmatte> at that point it's just really expensive hardware
[18-Oct-2010 13:14:02] <rmatte> lol
[18-Oct-2010 13:14:11] <imeyer> really expensive, sexy hardware.
[18-Oct-2010 13:14:18] <rmatte> If I wanted a gaming laptop I'd get a macbook pro, otherwise, not worth it
[18-Oct-2010 13:14:37] <rmatte> $2000+ for a laptop is ridiculous
[18-Oct-2010 13:15:23] <imeyer> i mean, you don't have to spend $2K on a mac laptop
[18-Oct-2010 13:15:45] <imeyer> but i was really just teasing earlier.. not trying to start the pc/linux vs mac war
[18-Oct-2010 13:15:48] <imeyer> 
[18-Oct-2010 13:17:15] <rmatte> hehe
[18-Oct-2010 13:17:28] <imeyer> (macs are still better tho)
[18-Oct-2010 13:17:44] <rmatte> I do a lot of work with the terminal, so Linux is better for me
[18-Oct-2010 13:17:51] <rmatte> even though I'm aware that Mac has a terminal
[18-Oct-2010 13:17:55] <rmatte> it's just not the same though
[18-Oct-2010 13:18:00] straterr1 is now known as straterra
[18-Oct-2010 13:18:01] <imeyer> close enough
[18-Oct-2010 13:18:09] <imeyer> i mean, you don't get 256 colors with terminal.app
[18-Oct-2010 13:18:13] <imeyer> but, whatever
[18-Oct-2010 13:18:33] <rmatte> It's more having access to aptitude or yum
[18-Oct-2010 13:18:40] <rmatte> that I would miss
[18-Oct-2010 13:19:00] <imeyer> mac has this awesome thing called homebrew that rules hard
[18-Oct-2010 13:19:04] <imeyer> brew install whatever
[18-Oct-2010 13:19:24] <rmatte> yeh, but then the question is, how are the repos?
[18-Oct-2010 13:19:26] <imeyer> http://github.com/mxcl/homebrew/tree/master/Library/Formula/
[18-Oct-2010 13:19:33] <rmatte> I doubt they'd be comparable to ubuntu repos
[18-Oct-2010 13:20:04] <imeyer> well, it's not really repo oriented
[18-Oct-2010 13:20:20] <imeyer> it's more.. here's the formula to install this software.. and it does it pretty cleanly
[18-Oct-2010 13:20:34] <imeyer> it's definitely not the same as yum install or apt-get install
[18-Oct-2010 13:21:21] <rmatte> I'll just stick to Linux 
[18-Oct-2010 13:21:51] <rmatte> I don't need to buy Apple hardware and software with Linux, much cheaper
[18-Oct-2010 13:22:07] <imeyer> yeah, i hear you
[18-Oct-2010 13:22:17] <imeyer> thankfulyl all my work can be done from terminal.app
[18-Oct-2010 13:24:00] <ericenns> rmatte: I'm still lost
[18-Oct-2010 13:24:14] <rmatte> ericenns: what in particular is tripping you up?
[18-Oct-2010 13:24:51] <ericenns> zenoss isn't running on the remote server, I follow the steps and expect it to start and nothing happens or is that normal?
[18-Oct-2010 13:25:48] <ericenns> I get no errors on the central zenoss, I just don't know excalty what I'm supposed to expect
[18-Oct-2010 13:26:06] <rmatte> you're not going to have access to a web UI on the remote collector, if that's what you're saying
[18-Oct-2010 13:26:17] <rmatte> only certain daemons will be running
[18-Oct-2010 13:26:34] <ericenns> ok well I don't see anything running when I do a zenoss status
[18-Oct-2010 13:26:50] <rmatte> I though the pack was supposed to configure and launch the processes
[18-Oct-2010 13:27:03] <rmatte> you're sure your environment variables are configured as I described in my posts?
[18-Oct-2010 13:27:10] <ericenns> thats what I was assuming but I don't see anything I didn'
[18-Oct-2010 13:27:26] <ericenns> Do I need to do that one I did the ssh_config thing
[18-Oct-2010 13:27:44] <rmatte> you also need to add the environment file like I described
[18-Oct-2010 13:27:49] <rmatte> read what I said really carefully
[18-Oct-2010 13:28:32] <ericenns> ok but I get no error when I do update remote collector
[18-Oct-2010 13:28:37] <rmatte> afk for a few, I need to grab some lunch
[18-Oct-2010 13:28:43] <ericenns> ok ttyl
[18-Oct-2010 13:30:33] <Sam-I-Am> pb&j sammich here.
[18-Oct-2010 13:32:34] <Sam-I-Am> well, the zenoss build party is finally done here... i think
[18-Oct-2010 13:32:40] <Sam-I-Am> yay for spontaneous meetings
[18-Oct-2010 13:32:50] <Sam-I-Am> now i just get to make it all work
[18-Oct-2010 13:35:27] <bigegor> ericenns: run 'zenoss status' on remote server as zenoss user, zeoctl and zenhub shall not be listed, and other daemons must running
[18-Oct-2010 13:37:08] <ericenns> bigegor: they are not running
[18-Oct-2010 13:37:56] <ericenns> bigegor: I just followed the instructions you posted I never started zenoss myself on the remote collector is that needed or no?
[18-Oct-2010 13:38:20] <ericenns> I run update remote collectors with no error
[18-Oct-2010 13:41:01] <bigegor> is DAEMON_TXT_ONLY file in remote zenoss/etc directory?
[18-Oct-2010 13:41:32] <ericenns> no it does not exist there
[18-Oct-2010 13:42:23] <ericenns> this is on 3.0.2 if that matters
[18-Oct-2010 13:43:05] <bigegor> no. If you starting ssh to remotecollector  as zenoss user on master server, do you get login prompt?
[18-Oct-2010 13:43:27] <xuru> ok, this is weird...  I increased the zCollectorClientTimeout so that software collection would finish, but instead (when I run it with debug), it finishes and repeats this message:
[18-Oct-2010 13:43:32] <xuru> 2010-10-18 12:34:08,101 DEBUG zen.ZenModeler: Running 2 clients
[18-Oct-2010 13:43:33] <ericenns> I do not get a login prompt I login with no pasword
[18-Oct-2010 13:45:07] <ericenns> I have all my paths also set correctly for remote ssh
[18-Oct-2010 13:45:20] <ianm> hello. is it possible to modify the ssh client in zenoss to 'enable' on cisco devices like the telnet client does?
[18-Oct-2010 13:45:25] <xuru> looks like zenoss.cmd.linux.ubuntu_aptitude is causing all of my ubuntu machines to timeout modeling
[18-Oct-2010 13:45:31] <bigegor> ericenns: name of remote collector in zenoss must be the same as DNS name.
[18-Oct-2010 13:46:02] <ericenns> I ran a hostname on the remote machine and used that the FQDN
[18-Oct-2010 13:46:21] <rmatte> ianm: it's not intended for network monitoring, it's intended for server monitoring
[18-Oct-2010 13:46:53] <ericenns> bigegor: I just tried it with the fqdn and it asked me to accept the host so maybe that was the problem will report back
[18-Oct-2010 13:46:54] <ianm> rmatte: regardless. is it possible?
[18-Oct-2010 13:46:59] <Simon4> ianm: I had a look at doing that at one point, it's possible in code, but not trivial
[18-Oct-2010 13:47:20] <rmatte> Anything is possible lol, it would just take some dev time
[18-Oct-2010 13:47:22] <ericenns> bigegor: it's taking longer now so thats promising
[18-Oct-2010 13:47:25] <Simon4> (not trivial for my coding skil level, anyway  )
[18-Oct-2010 13:47:52] <bigegor> ericenns: have you added remote collector with 'Add Remote Monitor...' ?
[18-Oct-2010 13:48:59] <ericenns> bigegor: it's working now I hadn't tested pki ssh with the fqdn only hostname so I had tried example instead of example.here.com which I added it in zenoss as
[18-Oct-2010 13:49:55] <ianm> right, right
[18-Oct-2010 13:50:00] <rmatte> ericenns: hehe, well at least it was a simple fix
[18-Oct-2010 13:50:06] <bigegor> ericenns: you can use hostname too, but add it to /etc/hosts file of zenoss master
[18-Oct-2010 13:50:19] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: thanks for the help earlier.  spontaneous meeting completed with sysadmin and network engineers leaving happy.
[18-Oct-2010 13:50:25] <rmatte> np
[18-Oct-2010 13:50:37] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: pretty much decided on separate collectors for various things... 4 of them to start... and 2.5.2
[18-Oct-2010 13:51:18] <rmatte> cool, and yeh, I'm still sticking with 2.5.2 for the time being
[18-Oct-2010 13:51:33] <rmatte> 3.0 is getting better, but working with templates in it is a nightmare
[18-Oct-2010 13:51:46] <Sam-I-Am> figured out the rrd intervals and history levels for the various groups of devices too... yay progress.
[18-Oct-2010 13:51:56] <rmatte> cool
[18-Oct-2010 13:52:01] <Sam-I-Am> only 3 consolidations so the sysadmin is happy about i/o
[18-Oct-2010 13:52:59] <Sam-I-Am> i think our plan is to roll 2.5.2 now and then begin testing 3.x officially when it gains significant features... perhaps 3.1 or whatever.
[18-Oct-2010 13:54:27] <rmatte> yeh
[18-Oct-2010 13:54:39] <rmatte> there will still be an upgrade path to follow, but oh well
[18-Oct-2010 13:54:47] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[18-Oct-2010 13:55:12] <Sam-I-Am> we're more concerned about rrd history than alerts and stuff, so even if upgrading breaks.
[18-Oct-2010 13:55:22] <Sam-I-Am> the thing i'd rather not do is have to re-add devices and reconfigure all the templates
[18-Oct-2010 13:55:31] <rmatte> yeh
[18-Oct-2010 13:57:37] <ericenns> is it going to be a problem if all my clusters internal subnet is the same and I wan't to monitor hosts in zenoss from a remote collector?
[18-Oct-2010 13:58:27] <Sam-I-Am> as long as the ip stuff routes properly
[18-Oct-2010 13:58:46] <ericenns> I mean maybe some will end up with the same ips
[18-Oct-2010 13:59:13] <Sam-I-Am> how?
[18-Oct-2010 13:59:34] <ericenns> lets say I have 2 clusters
[18-Oct-2010 13:59:44] <Sam-I-Am> clusters of what?
[18-Oct-2010 14:00:38] <ericenns> they are rocks clusters where only the head node is only on the internal subnet
[18-Oct-2010 14:01:01] <ericenns> and with the cluster it itself there is a subnet that only cluster 1 uses
[18-Oct-2010 14:01:04] <rmatte> you have to do some sort of natting or something on the head node to the internal nodes
[18-Oct-2010 14:01:09] <Sam-I-Am> yeah
[18-Oct-2010 14:01:18] <Sam-I-Am> or run a collector there
[18-Oct-2010 14:01:25] <rmatte> yeh, that too
[18-Oct-2010 14:01:41] <ericenns> the head node is going to run a collector but my co-workers are dragging me too lunch so brb
[18-Oct-2010 14:01:41] <Sam-I-Am> but if the internal nodes have the same IPs as the internal nodes of other clusters...
[18-Oct-2010 14:05:40] <xuru> has anyone seen this?  where zenmodeler waits on a client until it times out?
[18-Oct-2010 14:06:09] <rmatte> xuru: well, is the client actually responding?
[18-Oct-2010 14:06:47] <xuru> I made sure there was only one modeler plugin, and it ran, and responded
[18-Oct-2010 14:07:17] <xuru> then it just sits there spitting out:
[18-Oct-2010 14:07:20] <xuru> 2010-10-18 12:59:26,497 DEBUG zen.ZenModeler: Running 1 clients
[18-Oct-2010 14:07:36] <rmatte> yeh, that's normal output though
[18-Oct-2010 14:07:55] <rmatte> you need to figure out what is hanging up that plugin
[18-Oct-2010 14:09:05] <imeyer> man i love multi-graph reports so much
[18-Oct-2010 14:09:18] <xuru> I'll try and dig around
[18-Oct-2010 14:11:59] <xuru> hmm... after stopping zenoss-stack I have about 7 zenmodeler still running
[18-Oct-2010 14:19:29] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[18-Oct-2010 14:21:50] <rmatte> I'm finally upgrading my windows VM from Vista to Windows 7
[18-Oct-2010 14:22:06] <rmatte> xuru: did you run those zenmodeler processes from the commandline?
[18-Oct-2010 14:22:22] <xuru> rmatte: yeah, with -v10
[18-Oct-2010 14:22:50] <rmatte> right, stopping zenoss-stack literally just does a "zenmodeler stop"
[18-Oct-2010 14:22:59] <rmatte> but if you have like 10 of them running it'll only end up stopping 1 of them
[18-Oct-2010 14:23:03] <rmatte> lol
[18-Oct-2010 14:23:28] <xuru> yeah, that's why I wanted to shut it all down, so I can see what was hagging
[18-Oct-2010 14:23:51] <xuru> and they weren't the ones that I ran from the command line
[18-Oct-2010 14:24:15] <rmatte> eugh lame, windows 7 wants 13 gigs free to upgrade
[18-Oct-2010 14:24:42] <xuru> upgrade to linux 
[18-Oct-2010 14:24:44] <rmatte> you said zenmodeler was only running 1 plugin, which one?
[18-Oct-2010 14:24:47] <rmatte> I have linux
[18-Oct-2010 14:24:53] <rmatte> this is a windows VM running on top of Linux
[18-Oct-2010 14:24:58] <rmatte> lol
[18-Oct-2010 14:25:02] <xuru> ah, good man 
[18-Oct-2010 14:25:41] <xuru> On the machine I was experimenting with, I only had the zenoss.cmd.df
[18-Oct-2010 14:26:50] <rmatte> If it's hanging I would guess that it's because it's having problems getting in to issue the command or something
[18-Oct-2010 14:27:23] <rmatte> If you model the device from the UI what kind of output do you get?
[18-Oct-2010 14:30:29] <xuru> sorry, one sec
[18-Oct-2010 14:33:12] <xuru> after hanging there for 5 minutes (I set the timeout two 360), it dumps a lot of timeout tracebacks
[18-Oct-2010 14:33:39] <xuru> and I'm seeing this in the zenmodeler logs:  2010-10-18 13:27:59,309 WARNING zen.ZenModeler: Client otmtdapp1.kingcompanies.com timeout
[18-Oct-2010 14:36:25] <rmatte> message/53712
[18-Oct-2010 14:36:29] <rmatte> read that thread
[18-Oct-2010 14:36:35] <rmatte> there's a patch there that might help with that
[18-Oct-2010 14:37:54] <xuru> yep, that looks like the traceback
[18-Oct-2010 14:38:15] <xuru> why do I always get the wierd ones...
[18-Oct-2010 14:38:18] <rmatte> k, you didn't mention a traceback
[18-Oct-2010 14:38:21] <rmatte> so I was guessing
[18-Oct-2010 14:38:34] <rmatte> a timeout and a traceback are a bit different 
[18-Oct-2010 14:38:41] <xuru> "after hanging there for 5 minutes (I set the timeout two 360), it dumps a lot of timeout tracebacks"
[18-Oct-2010 14:38:50] <xuru> well...
[18-Oct-2010 14:38:53] <xuru> ok, sorry
[18-Oct-2010 14:38:53] <rmatte> yeh, you mentioned that after the fact
[18-Oct-2010 14:38:58] <rmatte> initially you didn't
[18-Oct-2010 14:38:59] <rmatte> lol
[18-Oct-2010 14:39:12] <rmatte> but anyways, try that patch out
[18-Oct-2010 14:39:18] <xuru> I don't get the traceback until it times out after 5 minutes
[18-Oct-2010 14:39:46] <rmatte> still, try the patch anyways
[18-Oct-2010 14:39:59] <rmatte> that timeout you're getting might be legit though
[18-Oct-2010 14:40:06] <rmatte> can you ssh to that device from the zenoss server?
[18-Oct-2010 14:40:25] <rmatte> you're sure you put the right username and password in to zProperties?
[18-Oct-2010 14:40:57] <xuru> yep
[18-Oct-2010 14:41:07] <ericenns> rmatte: I'm back do you know of any documentation for adding monitoring devices conencted to remote collectors
[18-Oct-2010 14:41:14] <xuru> I can ssh from the zenoss machine as zenoss to the box
[18-Oct-2010 14:41:20] <xuru> with the username password
[18-Oct-2010 14:41:24] <xuru> [01:30 PM]zenoss@ks-mgmt-monitor-01:~$ zenpatch 20813
[18-Oct-2010 14:41:25] <rmatte> ericenns: what do you mean?
[18-Oct-2010 14:41:31] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: if you select the collector, it'll monitor them from there
[18-Oct-2010 14:41:34] <xuru> patching file trac-6779/Products/DataCollector/SnmpClient.py
[18-Oct-2010 14:41:34] <xuru> Hunk #1 FAILED at 168.
[18-Oct-2010 14:41:34] <xuru> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file trac-6779/Products/DataCollector/SnmpClient.py.rej
[18-Oct-2010 14:41:38] <rmatte> ericenns: just add the device as you would normally, but select the different collector when adding it
[18-Oct-2010 14:41:43] <rmatte> ericenns: it's not complicated
[18-Oct-2010 14:42:03] <ericenns> oh even if main zenoss can't see those devices?
[18-Oct-2010 14:42:26] <rmatte> no, Zenoss has to see the devices
[18-Oct-2010 14:42:39] <rmatte> at that point it's not a Zenoss issue, it's a networking issue
[18-Oct-2010 14:42:47] <rmatte> Zenoss needs routing to any devices that you intend to monitor
[18-Oct-2010 14:42:51] <ericenns> oh really this won't work for me
[18-Oct-2010 14:43:04] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, i thought only the collector did...
[18-Oct-2010 14:43:08] <ericenns> I don't want those devices exposed to the subnet zenoss is in
[18-Oct-2010 14:43:10] <rmatte> no product on the planet is going to be able to magically monitor something it can't see lol
[18-Oct-2010 14:43:24] <ericenns> well the remote collector can see those devices
[18-Oct-2010 14:43:31] <rmatte> well, you would have to have a collector within that subnet
[18-Oct-2010 14:43:48] <rmatte> but you'd still need to have it slightly exposed so that the collector could connect back to the master
[18-Oct-2010 14:44:08] <rmatte> oh, then that's the problem?
[18-Oct-2010 14:44:11] <ericenns> my remote collector has multiple nics and one can connect back to master
[18-Oct-2010 14:44:18] <rmatte> the master doesn't need to be able to see them to my knowledge
[18-Oct-2010 14:44:28] <ericenns> oh I'm so confused
[18-Oct-2010 14:44:41] <rmatte> ok, let me get this straight...
[18-Oct-2010 14:44:47] <rmatte> you have your master outside that subnet
[18-Oct-2010 14:44:54] <rmatte> then you have the remote collector inside that subnet
[18-Oct-2010 14:44:55] <ericenns> correct
[18-Oct-2010 14:45:06] <rmatte> ok, now what exactly is confusing you/
[18-Oct-2010 14:45:11] <rmatte> ?
[18-Oct-2010 14:45:31] <ericenns> how to add devices? can I discover that subnet in zenoss
[18-Oct-2010 14:45:45] <ericenns> or do I have to add individualy by device ip
[18-Oct-2010 14:45:47] <rmatte> does that subnet conflict with any other subnet that the master can see directly?
[18-Oct-2010 14:45:57] <ericenns> not at the moment
[18-Oct-2010 14:46:05] <rmatte> like, you're not going to end up with 2 devices with the same IP, correct?
[18-Oct-2010 14:46:10] <ericenns> I can change those other subnets I was talking about before
[18-Oct-2010 14:46:24] <rmatte> as long as it's a unique subnet, just add a device like you would normally
[18-Oct-2010 14:46:30] <rmatte> there's a spot to select what collector you want to use
[18-Oct-2010 14:46:36] <rmatte> just make sure you select the remote collector
[18-Oct-2010 14:46:55] <ericenns> I don't normally add a single device within zenoss I discover a subnet or use cmd line
[18-Oct-2010 14:47:11] <rmatte> does the discovery not have an option to select a different collector?
[18-Oct-2010 14:47:14] <rmatte> I could have swore it did
[18-Oct-2010 14:47:27] <ericenns> doesn't look like it
[18-Oct-2010 14:47:29] <kobalt> it does let me find the syntax
[18-Oct-2010 14:49:19] <sergeymasushko> is it possible to change device IP from shell? I'm unable to do it through the web...
[18-Oct-2010 14:52:34] <kobalt> its --monitor localhost
[18-Oct-2010 14:52:51] <kobalt> so it would be --monitor collectorname
[18-Oct-2010 14:53:08] <kobalt> with command line
[18-Oct-2010 15:01:08] <tiredofme> hello everyone, i've got a quick question
[18-Oct-2010 15:01:31] <tiredofme> i've got a remote collector setup and everything appears ok
[18-Oct-2010 15:02:09] <tiredofme> except when I create a command (i.e. check_http) the command is executed on the master and not the remote collector
[18-Oct-2010 15:02:53] <ericenns> kobalt: I tried adding the subnet via zendisc cmd line and it didn't find the devices since only the remote collector can see them I'm guessing
[18-Oct-2010 15:03:09] <tiredofme> how can i get around this?
[18-Oct-2010 15:05:11] <Sam-I-Am> tiredofme: did you tell it to use the remote collector?
[18-Oct-2010 15:06:07] <tiredofme> yes, the device is associated to the remote collector
[18-Oct-2010 15:06:50] <tiredofme> there is actually a post on the forums asking the exact same question, however it received no responses
[18-Oct-2010 15:06:50] <tiredofme> thread/13792;jsessionid=6EAFE507284CFDD568C08BDA431F26FB.node0
[18-Oct-2010 15:07:33] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm
[18-Oct-2010 15:07:41] <tiredofme> the collector works with zenperfwmi, i'm able to see my graphs, i'm just unable to specify that nagios plugins get executed on the remote collector
[18-Oct-2010 15:08:44] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, commands seem bound to the central host...
[18-Oct-2010 15:09:23] <tiredofme> my zencommand.conf specifies hubhost x.x.x.x and monitor x.x.x.x
[18-Oct-2010 15:11:47] <Sam-I-Am> tiredofme: hmm, i'm not familiar with that
[18-Oct-2010 15:12:17] <Sam-I-Am> someone here might know...
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[18-Oct-2010 15:12:48] <tiredofme> i'm hoping so, this is driving me crazy
[18-Oct-2010 15:13:20] <tiredofme> it seemed to execute correctly last week, i then reinstalled and now it no longer functions the same way
[18-Oct-2010 15:14:45] <Sam-I-Am> hmm
[18-Oct-2010 15:24:38] <ericenns> so I am trying to discover a device on my remote collector with the following command
[18-Oct-2010 15:25:20] <ericenns> zendisc run --now --net subnet --monitor remote.zenoss --deviceclass Ganglia --hubhost main.zenoss
[18-Oct-2010 15:25:48] <ericenns> and I get a timeconnecting to zenhub this command is run on the remote.zenoss
[18-Oct-2010 15:26:15] <ericenns> time out
[18-Oct-2010 15:28:08] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: can you run it with some debug info?
[18-Oct-2010 15:28:16] <Sam-I-Am> maybe see if its actually contacting the collector?
[18-Oct-2010 15:29:47] <xuru> rmatte: I moved my servers out of SSH and into /Servers/Linux instead and I'm only using snmp and it works fine now
[18-Oct-2010 15:30:31] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: yes in a moment
[18-Oct-2010 15:30:41] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: but I was running the command on the remote collector
[18-Oct-2010 15:31:26] <kobalt> you have to run the command on the master it stores what is where, and the remote collecter gets it info from the master
[18-Oct-2010 15:32:08] * LarsN wonders if there will be a 3.0.3 or if we'll jump straight to 3.X 
[18-Oct-2010 15:32:23] <ericenns> I was looking at the jobs zenoss runs and it runs it on the remote collector via ssh
[18-Oct-2010 15:34:46] <rmatte> unreal, vista is taking up so much space that I can't even upgrade it, garrrrr
[18-Oct-2010 15:34:54] <bigegor> kobalt: zenmodeler and zendisc can be started on remote collector too, with --monitor and --hubhost options
[18-Oct-2010 15:35:12] <kobalt> ahh didnt know that
[18-Oct-2010 15:35:21] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: hi, can you suggest me how to change device's IP address through zendmd?
[18-Oct-2010 15:36:05] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: There are forum posts about that, I don't know off the top of my head, I'd have to dig for it, and I don't have time to right now
[18-Oct-2010 15:36:17] <rmatte> search on the community site
[18-Oct-2010 15:36:26] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: thanks
[18-Oct-2010 15:37:55] <LarsN> rmatte: isn't it sad when a Base OS, with no additional software takes up more space than a full *nix install, with all the software you'll ever use?
[18-Oct-2010 15:37:56] <ericenns> bigegor: do you get an error looking for zendisc.conf when you run zendisc on remote collector
[18-Oct-2010 15:38:35] * LarsN has a not finely tuned slackware install (read install all) that's smaller than base windows 7.
[18-Oct-2010 15:38:48] <rmatte> LarsN: yeh, it's because of the stupid winsxs folder where they have to store a million copies of every dll to avoid version conflicts
[18-Oct-2010 15:39:27] <rmatte> Look like my only option is to do a fresh install of Windows 7, which blows since I'll have to re-do all my settings
[18-Oct-2010 15:39:35] <rmatte> but oh well, guess it's going to have to be done.
[18-Oct-2010 15:41:36] <bigegor> ericenns: hmm, don't know. I'll check this tomorrow.
[18-Oct-2010 15:41:48] <ericenns> ok thanks
[18-Oct-2010 15:42:18] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: so running it with -v 10 it hangs at logging in as admin to my main zenoss
[18-Oct-2010 15:44:46] <tiredofme> could anyone shed some light on why when I create a command data source, the command is executed on my zenoss master as opposed to the remote collector?
[18-Oct-2010 15:45:22] <tiredofme> all *.conf files contain monitor x.x.x.x and hubhost x.x.x.x
[18-Oct-2010 15:45:55] <ericenns> bigegor: is your zenpack supposed to create all the *.conf files on a remote collector
[18-Oct-2010 15:46:23] <bigegor> yes
[18-Oct-2010 15:47:44] <ericenns> ok it doesn't look like it has created all of them could you point me towards the code in your zenpack which does that
[18-Oct-2010 15:48:15] <ericenns> the source link on the zenpack page is nonexistant
[18-Oct-2010 15:50:44] <ericenns> also does Distributed Collectors write to a log somewhere
[18-Oct-2010 15:51:43] <rmatte> well, which ones are missing?
[18-Oct-2010 15:52:02] <ericenns> from what I can tell zendisc so dar
[18-Oct-2010 15:52:04] <ericenns> far
[18-Oct-2010 15:53:33] <rmatte> zendisc isn't a daemon
[18-Oct-2010 15:53:42] <rmatte> as far as I remember
[18-Oct-2010 15:53:59] <ericenns> I'm not sure but it does have a conf file
[18-Oct-2010 15:54:39] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: does your main zenoss log anything?
[18-Oct-2010 15:55:19] <bigegor> ericenns: http://github.com/epuzanov/ZenPacks.community.DistributedCollectors
[18-Oct-2010 15:55:48] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: umm where would I look for that
[18-Oct-2010 15:56:00] <ericenns> thanks bigegor
[18-Oct-2010 15:56:01] <Simon4> tiredofme: have you set the collector on your device?
[18-Oct-2010 15:56:30] <tiredofme> Simon4: yes, the collector is associated with the device
[18-Oct-2010 15:56:35] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: /opt/zenoss/log
[18-Oct-2010 15:56:55] <Simon4> tiredofme: try restarting zencommand on the master and collector
[18-Oct-2010 15:57:01] <tiredofme> Simon4: I actually think that it's working, after running zencommand run -v10, i can see that check_http is being executed
[18-Oct-2010 15:57:19] <Simon4> cool
[18-Oct-2010 15:57:38] <tiredofme> Simon4: it's just testing it through the web ui shows that check_http isn't receiving 200ok
[18-Oct-2010 15:58:01] <tiredofme> Simon4: which, I suppose the test commands are executed from the master and not the remote collector?
[18-Oct-2010 15:58:11] <Simon4> tiredofme: very likely
[18-Oct-2010 15:58:43] <tiredofme> Simon4: interesting, thanks for your help
[18-Oct-2010 15:59:03] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: any log file in particular or any of them
[18-Oct-2010 16:00:13] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm
[18-Oct-2010 16:04:21] <Sam-I-Am> i havent worked with collectors yet
[18-Oct-2010 16:04:31] <Sam-I-Am> so, i'd say look through the ones that seem most obvious
[18-Oct-2010 16:05:07] <ericenns> oh ok I've left it there and its still trying to connect and I believe I added more zenhub worksers if that was in rmatte perf guide
[18-Oct-2010 16:05:39] <rmatte> yeh, not really my guide, I just helped edit it to make it clearer and so have more optimal settings
[18-Oct-2010 16:05:51] <rmatte> some of the things that were in the guide before actually had a negative impact on performance hehe
[18-Oct-2010 16:06:23] <ericenns> oh ok lol
[18-Oct-2010 16:07:02] <ericenns> rmatte: you got the link for it
[18-Oct-2010 16:07:11] <rmatte> one thing I love about VMs, formatting is basically instantaneous
[18-Oct-2010 16:07:21] <rmatte> for the guide?
[18-Oct-2010 16:07:28] <ericenns> perf guide
[18-Oct-2010 16:07:31] <rmatte> just go to the community site and search for "tweak zenoss"
[18-Oct-2010 16:07:37] <rmatte> it'll be the first result
[18-Oct-2010 16:08:12] <ericenns> ahh I was googling with different words
[18-Oct-2010 16:08:48] <rmatte> hehe
[18-Oct-2010 16:10:25] <ericenns> you know what my firewall may be blocking
[18-Oct-2010 16:10:39] <rmatte> it's possible
[18-Oct-2010 16:11:00] <ericenns> any one know if its tcp or udp
[18-Oct-2010 16:11:42] <rmatte> tcp
[18-Oct-2010 16:12:16] <rmatte> (if you're talking about how the daemons communicate with one and other)
[18-Oct-2010 16:12:16] <ericenns> now its working lol it was my firewall urgh
[18-Oct-2010 16:12:20] <rmatte> ah
[18-Oct-2010 16:12:21] <rmatte> cool
[18-Oct-2010 16:13:15] <ericenns> feel like an idiot lol
[18-Oct-2010 16:13:22] <rmatte> 
[18-Oct-2010 16:13:31] <ericenns> had to take the duck
[18-Oct-2010 16:13:34] <rmatte> you'll know what to check next time
[18-Oct-2010 16:13:41] <ericenns> yes I will
[18-Oct-2010 16:14:19] <rmatte> woohoo, hockey game on tonight
[18-Oct-2010 16:18:58] <Sam-I-Am> woo!
[18-Oct-2010 16:20:08] <rmatte> Senators vs Penguins
[18-Oct-2010 16:20:34] <rmatte> well, I finally have windows 7 installed, now I just need to reconfigure everything on it
[18-Oct-2010 16:35:02] <ericenns> anyone here use the ganglia zenpack
[18-Oct-2010 16:44:31] <ericenns> if a zenpack returns self.hostname and I get attribute error what should it return
[18-Oct-2010 16:48:13] <ericenns> guess I'll just have to wait for SEJeff to come online one of these datas
[18-Oct-2010 16:48:15] <ericenns> days
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[19-Oct-2010 10:00:12] <ericenns> morning
[19-Oct-2010 10:01:56] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[19-Oct-2010 10:02:41] <ericenns> It's gone quiet here after the contest is over lol
[19-Oct-2010 10:02:48] <rmatte> a bit
[19-Oct-2010 10:02:50] <rmatte> hehe
[19-Oct-2010 10:03:01] <rmatte> It was a flurry of activity during the contest
[19-Oct-2010 10:03:04] <ericenns> people are back to there real work I guess
[19-Oct-2010 10:03:09] <chachan> morning guys
[19-Oct-2010 10:03:16] <rmatte> yeh, well, my ZenPacks were part of my real work luckily
[19-Oct-2010 10:03:20] <chachan> what contest?
[19-Oct-2010 10:03:22] <rmatte> but now I have other stuff to work on
[19-Oct-2010 10:03:24] <ericenns> well mine too lol
[19-Oct-2010 10:03:25] <rmatte> ZenPack contest
[19-Oct-2010 10:03:31] <chachan> mm
[19-Oct-2010 10:03:34] <rmatte> Summer of ZenPacks
[19-Oct-2010 10:03:42] <rmatte> there were like 40 submissions or something
[19-Oct-2010 10:03:54] <rmatte> so be ready to see a ton of new ZenPacks released in the near future
[19-Oct-2010 10:04:06] <fus10nx> What’s the best way to reset the admin password?
[19-Oct-2010 10:04:11] <fus10nx> zenpasswd ?
[19-Oct-2010 10:05:13] <fus10nx> It doesn
[19-Oct-2010 10:05:23] <fus10nx> errr - it doesn’t seem to exist so I was wondering where I can download it from
[19-Oct-2010 10:05:27] <rmatte> fus10nx: go in to zendmd...
[19-Oct-2010 10:05:47] <fus10nx> I can’t get in via the browser
[19-Oct-2010 10:05:52] <fus10nx> so I’m SSH’d into the linux machine it sits on
[19-Oct-2010 10:05:56] <rmatte> you don't need to be able to get in via browser
[19-Oct-2010 10:06:04] <ericenns> zendmd is a shell access
[19-Oct-2010 10:06:06] <rmatte> login via ssh, become the zenoss user, start zendmd
[19-Oct-2010 10:06:11] <rmatte> then in zendmd do...
[19-Oct-2010 10:06:12] <rmatte> app.acl_users.userManager.updateUserPassword('admin', 'newPassword')
[19-Oct-2010 10:06:12] <rmatte> commit()
[19-Oct-2010 10:06:20] <rmatte> replace newPassword with whatever
[19-Oct-2010 10:07:00] <fus10nx> web interface doesn’t like it - still says incorrect
[19-Oct-2010 10:07:25] <fus10nx> http://pastebin.com/JkNBnsvC
[19-Oct-2010 10:07:33] <rmatte> did you go in to zendmd and do that?
[19-Oct-2010 10:07:38] <fus10nx> yup
[19-Oct-2010 10:07:49] <rmatte> you did commit() after right?
[19-Oct-2010 10:07:49] <twm1010> clear your browser cache
[19-Oct-2010 10:08:01] <rmatte> you have to do a commit after
[19-Oct-2010 10:08:14] <rmatte> otherwise it just sits in a modification queue and never gets applied to the actual db
[19-Oct-2010 10:08:21] <fus10nx> well look at you, fancy pants 
[19-Oct-2010 10:08:25] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 10:08:30] <fus10nx> thanks man
[19-Oct-2010 10:08:32] <rmatte> np
[19-Oct-2010 10:08:39] <fus10nx> the issue im having is it’s not emailing when an error comes
[19-Oct-2010 10:08:44] <fus10nx> it did it by default last time
[19-Oct-2010 10:09:08] <rmatte> well, is your alerting rule configured correctly?
[19-Oct-2010 10:09:39] <fus10nx> I’ll have to check on it but before by default it was just emailing on critical
[19-Oct-2010 10:09:46] <fus10nx> where do I set the alerting rules again (sorry)...
[19-Oct-2010 10:09:56] <rmatte> under users
[19-Oct-2010 10:09:59] <rmatte> in settings
[19-Oct-2010 10:10:15] <rmatte> you'll have to figure out what user you configured the alerts on
[19-Oct-2010 10:10:20] <rmatte> or you may have setup alerting groups
[19-Oct-2010 10:10:30] <rmatte> which is in the same spot (users page)
[19-Oct-2010 10:11:10] <fus10nx> I
[19-Oct-2010 10:11:13] <fus10nx> I’ll check it out 0 thansk
[19-Oct-2010 10:11:17] <rmatte> np
[19-Oct-2010 10:11:58] <fus10nx> Do you consult for ZenOSS projects rmatte?
[19-Oct-2010 10:12:17] <twm1010> he should 
[19-Oct-2010 10:12:26] <fus10nx> yea, I’d have a lot of work for him 
[19-Oct-2010 10:13:32] <rmatte> nah I can't, current job doesn't allow it
[19-Oct-2010 10:13:40] <fus10nx> sucks
[19-Oct-2010 10:13:48] <rmatte> I really should negotiate it in at some point though
[19-Oct-2010 10:13:49] <fus10nx> whats weird now - all my network links are being drawn and the other day they werent
[19-Oct-2010 10:13:50] <fus10nx> whakcy
[19-Oct-2010 10:14:12] <rmatte> fus10nx: oh well, rejoice in the splendour that is the unexplained success
[19-Oct-2010 10:14:28] <fus10nx> deep man, deep.;
[19-Oct-2010 10:14:37] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 10:14:47] <fus10nx> oh! lets see if my aggregated reports work
[19-Oct-2010 10:14:52] * fus10nx holds my breathe
[19-Oct-2010 10:15:19] <fus10nx> hmmm it appears they kinda do
[19-Oct-2010 10:15:26] <fus10nx> but patterns seem all too coincidental
[19-Oct-2010 10:16:12] <rmatte> nice, so I can only find Office 2010 on our app share, but I only have a key for Office 2007, garrrr
[19-Oct-2010 10:16:27] <rmatte> plus office 2010 is a pain to work with
[19-Oct-2010 10:16:36] <fus10nx> I have MSDN if that helps
[19-Oct-2010 10:16:52] <rmatte> well, I just need to get my hands on the Office 2007 install file
[19-Oct-2010 10:22:41] <Sam-I-Am> openoff...er..libresomething! 
[19-Oct-2010 10:23:07] <rmatte> I really only use office for Outlook mostly, so that doesn't help lol
[19-Oct-2010 10:24:00] <rmatte> Oracle kicked the LibreOffice devs off the OpenOffice.org board
[19-Oct-2010 10:24:20] <rmatte> Conflict of interest or something
[19-Oct-2010 10:24:26] <rmatte> stupid in my opinion
[19-Oct-2010 10:28:35] <rmatte> My Vista install was taking up 19.5GB, Windows 7 is taking up 8.5GB
[19-Oct-2010 10:28:38] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 10:29:18] <ericenns> office 2010 looks so nice
[19-Oct-2010 10:29:41] <rmatte> I just don't like how Microsoft decides to move all of the menus around between every version
[19-Oct-2010 10:29:53] <rmatte> so you have to re-learn it each time
[19-Oct-2010 10:29:58] <rmatte> huge pain
[19-Oct-2010 10:30:04] <ericenns> yeah I never liked 2007 and really never used irt
[19-Oct-2010 10:30:08] <ericenns> it
[19-Oct-2010 10:30:19] <rmatte> I got used to 2007 so that's what I'm sticking with for now
[19-Oct-2010 10:30:24] <rmatte> It's not even that outdated
[19-Oct-2010 10:30:29] <rmatte> heck, I still like Office 2003
[19-Oct-2010 10:30:37] <rmatte> 
[19-Oct-2010 10:30:47] <ericenns> lol thats the only version I own
[19-Oct-2010 10:31:08] <rmatte> hehe
[19-Oct-2010 10:32:20] <rmatte> The Ottawa Senators got destroyed last night, they are playing so bad so far this season.
[19-Oct-2010 10:32:45] <rmatte> and the maple leafs are first in the conference, which never happens
[19-Oct-2010 10:43:02] <rmatte> well, time to commission 20 devices
[19-Oct-2010 10:43:26] <rmatte> (as in add them in to Zenoss)
[19-Oct-2010 10:43:59] <twm1010> anyone monitoring a lot of juniper switches?
[19-Oct-2010 10:44:30] <rmatte> nah, just netscreens, and some of their new JunOS devices (which I still need to make a performance template for)
[19-Oct-2010 10:44:32] <Sam-I-Am> twm1010: juniper routers
[19-Oct-2010 10:44:51] <Sam-I-Am> i monitor things like chassis stuff, interfaces (graphs), etc
[19-Oct-2010 10:45:24] <Sam-I-Am> i have a handful of juniper switches i need to monitor, but they're so few i'll add them near the end of this project
[19-Oct-2010 10:45:25] <twm1010> do you find it slightly annoying that every interfaces has at least one subinterface?
[19-Oct-2010 10:45:38] <twm1010> so like ge0/0/0 and ge 0/0/0.0 ?
[19-Oct-2010 10:46:02] <rmatte> not really, used to that sort of thing
[19-Oct-2010 10:46:43] <Sam-I-Am> i tend to ignore a lot of interfaces on the junipers
[19-Oct-2010 10:46:48] <Sam-I-Am> mostly because theres a ton of internal ones
[19-Oct-2010 10:47:05] <Sam-I-Am> whether or not you monitor 0 and 0.0 depends on your config
[19-Oct-2010 10:47:11] <twm1010> yeah, i see here, pime, pimd, tap, lsi, ,dsc
[19-Oct-2010 10:47:29] <Sam-I-Am> if you only have one vlan on a port, then you can just monitor 0... otherwise you'll want to monitor .X for each vlan and then 0 for total bandwidth
[19-Oct-2010 10:48:10] <twm1010> well, sure, so i've got a 24-port switch, with 23 access ports and one trunk
[19-Oct-2010 10:48:34] <twm1010> 48 ethernet interfaces
[19-Oct-2010 10:48:39] <Sam-I-Am> i pretty much run ^(softwareLoopback|MPLS|Encapsulation|Other) for zInterfaceMapIgnoreTypes
[19-Oct-2010 10:48:46] <twm1010> + the vlan virtual interfaces if i'm having that kind of fun
[19-Oct-2010 10:49:11] <twm1010> ah look at that, the type is different
[19-Oct-2010 10:49:16] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[19-Oct-2010 10:49:19] <Sam-I-Am> propvirtual for .X
[19-Oct-2010 10:49:20] <Sam-I-Am> i think
[19-Oct-2010 10:49:40] <twm1010> hrmm, maybe i'll just leave it alone unless the # of datapoints becomes an issue
[19-Oct-2010 10:49:55] <Sam-I-Am> depends what you're looking for
[19-Oct-2010 10:50:28] <twm1010> Just trying to come up with a common config of sorts, so if a customer has ten 48 port switches, i'll be adding alot of datapoints in 
[19-Oct-2010 10:50:32] <Sam-I-Am> one thing i've wondered is if i'm monitoring the loopback IP, yet i skip it from the interface map, does it really monitor it properly?
[19-Oct-2010 10:50:53] <Sam-I-Am> i dont need to graph the loopback
[19-Oct-2010 10:51:03] <twm1010> well, i set the device IP to the monitoring IP, i filter out loopbacks usually
[19-Oct-2010 10:51:19] <twm1010> junipers are a little odd with the management interface, confuzzles me slightly
[19-Oct-2010 10:56:24] <Sam-I-Am> the fxp0 thing?
[19-Oct-2010 11:02:20] <xuru> morning
[19-Oct-2010 11:03:04] <rmatte> morning
[19-Oct-2010 11:06:31] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[19-Oct-2010 11:06:36] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[19-Oct-2010 11:11:05] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[19-Oct-2010 11:16:34] <rmatte> I hate the way IE does downloads
[19-Oct-2010 11:16:47] <rmatte> downloads the file to a temp location then copies it, so stupid
[19-Oct-2010 11:18:11] <wvcain> Working with the HP monitor, not discovering some of the things I would like.  Seeing warning in log, Skipping Physical memory (ram) as it matches zFileSystemMapIgnoreTypes
[19-Oct-2010 11:18:37] <wvcain> Is there something somewhere somehow that I need to touch... an update to FileSystemMapIgnoreTypes for the class?
[19-Oct-2010 11:18:46] <xuru> when making a custom report does the Query have to be in one line?
[19-Oct-2010 11:19:02] <wvcain> Oh... morning...
[19-Oct-2010 11:20:55] <Sam-I-Am> wvcain: probably need to update that
[19-Oct-2010 11:20:59] <Sam-I-Am> then remodel
[19-Oct-2010 11:21:04] <wvcain> The doc (admin guide) say "do not use"
[19-Oct-2010 11:21:12] <Sam-I-Am> for what?
[19-Oct-2010 11:21:21] <wvcain> in the IP Services section.
[19-Oct-2010 11:21:48] <wvcain> Where is it set...
[19-Oct-2010 11:22:35] <Sam-I-Am> what does ip services have to do with file systems?
[19-Oct-2010 11:23:00] <wvcain> ssh, smtp, sunrpc, smux, sunrpc, snmp,
[19-Oct-2010 11:23:57] <wvcain> Ah, it's zFileSystemMapIgnoreTypes not zFileSystemMapIgnoreNames
[19-Oct-2010 11:24:22] <wvcain> I will modify and see how it changes behavior.  Wish I really groked Zenoss.
[19-Oct-2010 11:24:23] <rmatte> yeh, it's based on the type of the filesystem
[19-Oct-2010 11:24:49] <wvcain> How does filesystem relate to a cpu?
[19-Oct-2010 11:25:10] <wvcain> or other or memory
[19-Oct-2010 11:25:33] <rmatte> the RAM is displayer in the hrStorage table
[19-Oct-2010 11:25:36] <rmatte> displayed*
[19-Oct-2010 11:25:44] <rmatte> but it obviously has nothing to do with CPU
[19-Oct-2010 11:26:16] <rmatte> wvcain: I think you're confusing yourself though
[19-Oct-2010 11:26:25] <rmatte> having it skip RAM in filesystems is perfectly normal
[19-Oct-2010 11:26:26] <wvcain> The displayer is hrStorage or is displayed?
[19-Oct-2010 11:26:45] <rmatte> I corrected myself already
[19-Oct-2010 11:26:48] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 11:26:54] <rmatte> I said "displayed*"
[19-Oct-2010 11:27:05] <rmatte> but like I said, having it ignore that as a filesystem is normal
[19-Oct-2010 11:27:13] <wvcain> Off to change one thing and a time.  Must of be a virutal VoIP connections.
[19-Oct-2010 11:27:22] <rmatte> if you want to monitor CPU and Memory you should find out what SNMP OIDs correspond to those, and then create a performance template
[19-Oct-2010 11:27:26] <rmatte> that's the proper way to do it
[19-Oct-2010 11:27:28] <wvcain> Still type faster than I think.
[19-Oct-2010 11:27:35] <xuru> Can you call a method in a report Query?  for example, I have a method at /zport/dmd/Devices/getSQLServers and I set the Query in my report to:  getSQLServers(context) != None   But I get this error:  Query error: name 'getSQLServers' is not defined
[19-Oct-2010 11:32:57] <Parabola|Work> I WIN A PRIZE
[19-Oct-2010 11:33:02] <rmatte> ?
[19-Oct-2010 11:33:05] <Parabola|Work> system load: 111.04 / 831 processes
[19-Oct-2010 11:33:07] <Parabola|Work> owned.
[19-Oct-2010 11:33:10] <rmatte> wow
[19-Oct-2010 11:33:20] <rmatte> that's pretty much the highest I've seen
[19-Oct-2010 11:33:27] <Parabola|Work> yup i win
[19-Oct-2010 11:33:31] <Parabola|Work> i havent had time to look at it yet
[19-Oct-2010 11:33:36] <Parabola|Work> and the website on the vm still runs just fine
[19-Oct-2010 11:33:41] <Parabola|Work> so i havent been worried
[19-Oct-2010 11:33:56] <Parabola|Work> its ispconfig, the cron job that runs a script that apparently gets / sends mail is broken
[19-Oct-2010 11:33:58] <Parabola|Work> not in that mail doesnt work
[19-Oct-2010 11:34:05] <Parabola|Work> but in the script keeps running over and over
[19-Oct-2010 11:34:15] <Parabola|Work> it started as a load of 40.3
[19-Oct-2010 11:34:19] <Parabola|Work> with a couple hundred processes
[19-Oct-2010 11:34:46] <rmatte> wow
[19-Oct-2010 11:34:48] <Parabola|Work> 2 running processes, 827 sleeping now
[19-Oct-2010 11:34:58] <Parabola|Work> zenoss graph is a " / " lol
[19-Oct-2010 11:35:00] <Parabola|Work> for its CPU usage
[19-Oct-2010 11:35:08] <rmatte> nice lol
[19-Oct-2010 11:35:09] <Parabola|Work> again its a prod box i cant just reboot
[19-Oct-2010 11:35:14] <Parabola|Work> but the services are working just fine
[19-Oct-2010 11:35:16] <rmatte> memory usage is probably pretty high too
[19-Oct-2010 11:35:18] <Parabola|Work> not even slow
[19-Oct-2010 11:35:23] <Parabola|Work> nah
[19-Oct-2010 11:35:27] <Parabola|Work> 2.1gb of 3gb used
[19-Oct-2010 11:35:50] <Parabola|Work> i just stopped cron, didnt fix it
[19-Oct-2010 11:36:30] <Parabola|Work> i just stopped and started cron again, got it down to 778
[19-Oct-2010 11:37:22] <rmatte> still crazy
[19-Oct-2010 11:37:22] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 11:37:26] <Parabola|Work> yup
[19-Oct-2010 11:37:37] <Parabola|Work> part of me, the bastard side wants to see how high it gets before it crashes
[19-Oct-2010 11:37:56] <rmatte> hehe
[19-Oct-2010 11:38:24] <rmatte> "So let's get this straight, you had ample opportunity to prevent the failure and instead you grabbed a bag of popcorn and watched?"
[19-Oct-2010 11:38:34] <Parabola|Work> " yes sir, but look how big it is!"
[19-Oct-2010 11:38:37] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 11:39:57] <Parabola|Work> i dont know a good way to stop this
[19-Oct-2010 11:40:10] <rmatte> killall works nicely
[19-Oct-2010 11:40:42] <Parabola|Work> assuming its a speceific process
[19-Oct-2010 11:40:54] <rmatte> well, are they all different?
[19-Oct-2010 11:40:59] <rmatte> do they share anything in common?
[19-Oct-2010 11:42:02] <Parabola|Work> 06:30   0:00 /bin/sh -c /usr/local/ispconfig/server/server.sh > /dev/null 2>> /var/log/ispconfig/cron.log
[19-Oct-2010 11:42:07] <Parabola|Work> 06:30   0:00 /bin/bash /usr/local/ispconfig/server/server.sh
[19-Oct-2010 11:42:12] <Parabola|Work> yeah, the script name
[19-Oct-2010 11:42:25] <rmatte> killall -9 server.sh
[19-Oct-2010 11:42:37] <Parabola|Work> thats great but what if it breaks ispconfig 
[19-Oct-2010 11:43:29] <rmatte> well, what exactly is the script doing?
[19-Oct-2010 11:43:45] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[19-Oct-2010 11:43:59] <rmatte> just mail?
[19-Oct-2010 11:45:43] <Parabola|Work> dunno
[19-Oct-2010 11:45:45] <rmatte> also, is that a homebrew script or something included with ispconfig?
[19-Oct-2010 11:45:46] <Parabola|Work> lemme look
[19-Oct-2010 11:45:48] <Parabola|Work> included
[19-Oct-2010 11:46:03] <rmatte> k, you should report that as a bug, since that's just stupid that it's doing that
[19-Oct-2010 11:46:03] <Parabola|Work> hm
[19-Oct-2010 11:46:15] <Parabola|Work> all it does is include more PATH locations
[19-Oct-2010 11:46:23] <Parabola|Work> and, execute a php script
[19-Oct-2010 11:46:35] <rmatte> yeh, but each time it runs it should be terminating properly
[19-Oct-2010 11:46:42] <rmatte> not just endlessly piling up
[19-Oct-2010 11:47:14] <Parabola|Work> how do i use killall without any prompts
[19-Oct-2010 11:47:16] <Parabola|Work> will a -y do it
[19-Oct-2010 11:47:24] <Parabola|Work> yeah its never done this before, i bet a reboot takes care of it for now
[19-Oct-2010 11:47:28] <rmatte> what do you mean without prompts?
[19-Oct-2010 11:47:34] <Parabola|Work> theres like 500 of these
[19-Oct-2010 11:47:38] <Parabola|Work> im not hitting "y" 500 times
[19-Oct-2010 11:47:40] <Parabola|Work> im checking man page now
[19-Oct-2010 11:47:44] <rmatte> there are no prompts for killall
[19-Oct-2010 11:47:57] <Parabola|Work> yes there are
[19-Oct-2010 11:47:59] <Parabola|Work> or there are here
[19-Oct-2010 11:48:00] <Parabola|Work> i just ran it
[19-Oct-2010 11:48:03] <Parabola|Work> it asks about every PID
[19-Oct-2010 11:48:05] <rmatte> what OS?
[19-Oct-2010 11:48:11] <Parabola|Work> ubuntu 9.04
[19-Oct-2010 11:48:22] <rmatte> I've used killall a million times and never seen prompts, I use it in ubuntu all the time
[19-Oct-2010 11:48:26] <rmatte> what's the command you're running?
[19-Oct-2010 11:48:32] <rmatte> (what options)?
[19-Oct-2010 11:48:39] <Parabola|Work> killall -9 server.sh
[19-Oct-2010 11:48:52] <Parabola|Work> odd
[19-Oct-2010 11:48:57] <Parabola|Work> i hit up, ran the command again
[19-Oct-2010 11:49:00] <Parabola|Work> and it didnt prompt
[19-Oct-2010 11:49:06] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 11:49:08] <Parabola|Work> better
[19-Oct-2010 11:49:12] <Parabola|Work> but still at 475 processes
[19-Oct-2010 11:49:15] <Parabola|Work> lets see
[19-Oct-2010 11:49:29] <rmatte> are they still server.sh processes?
[19-Oct-2010 11:49:38] <Parabola|Work> sec piping to a txt file so i cna read it
[19-Oct-2010 11:49:56] <rmatte> you could just pipe it to less
[19-Oct-2010 11:49:59] <rmatte> | less
[19-Oct-2010 11:50:18] <Parabola|Work> alot of server.php
[19-Oct-2010 11:50:22] <rmatte> I'm guessing that those processes are nohupped
[19-Oct-2010 11:50:31] <rmatte> I forget how to kill a nohup process, I'll check
[19-Oct-2010 11:51:11] <rmatte> try kill -15
[19-Oct-2010 11:51:55] <Parabola|Work> i really dont want to kill php
[19-Oct-2010 11:52:25] <rmatte> lol, you won't unless php is named server.sh
[19-Oct-2010 11:52:29] <rmatte> 
[19-Oct-2010 11:52:38] <rmatte> killall -15 server.sh
[19-Oct-2010 11:52:48] <rmatte> also, there is probably a bash process that in spawning those processes
[19-Oct-2010 11:52:55] <rmatte> you might have to track that down and kill it
[19-Oct-2010 11:53:05] <Parabola|Work> yeah
[19-Oct-2010 11:53:12] <Parabola|Work> how to find it? pmap ?
[19-Oct-2010 11:54:06] <Parabola|Work>  /usr/bin/php -q /usr/local/ispconfig/server/server.php
[19-Oct-2010 11:54:17] <Parabola|Work> that is obviously riddled throughout my ps output
[19-Oct-2010 11:54:29] <rmatte> yeh
[19-Oct-2010 11:54:44] <rmatte> you can always pipe it to a grep -v to ommit those
[19-Oct-2010 11:55:02] <rmatte> ps aux | grep -v "php -q /usr"
[19-Oct-2010 11:55:05] <rmatte> or whatever
[19-Oct-2010 12:02:18] * Sam-I-Am installs 2.5.2
[19-Oct-2010 12:02:40] <rmatte> 
[19-Oct-2010 12:03:08] <rmatte> I'm anxious to hear the results of the ZenPack contest, but it's going to take weeks
[19-Oct-2010 12:03:36] <Sam-I-Am> also need to patch this...
[19-Oct-2010 12:03:47] <rmatte> yup
[19-Oct-2010 12:03:53] <rmatte> I gave you a patch list right?
[19-Oct-2010 12:03:56] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[19-Oct-2010 12:04:00] <rmatte> k
[19-Oct-2010 12:04:48] <rmatte> I wonder when the 3.0.3 release is going to make it out
[19-Oct-2010 12:04:57] * rmatte checks to see if any new items got added to that release
[19-Oct-2010 12:06:49] <rmatte> nope, not really
[19-Oct-2010 12:07:53] <twm1010> 3.x is growing on me
[19-Oct-2010 12:08:00] <twm1010> i like the interface the more I use it
[19-Oct-2010 12:08:02] <Sam-I-Am> twm1010: hmm, i'd see a doctor about that
[19-Oct-2010 12:08:38] <Sam-I-Am> the interface in 3 is nice, but... it does have some issues.
[19-Oct-2010 12:08:50] <twm1010> well, the event selection things a "gotta fix" for me
[19-Oct-2010 12:08:52] <xuru> damn EST!  missed the webinar
[19-Oct-2010 12:08:53] <twm1010> thats getting annoying
[19-Oct-2010 12:09:09] <rmatte> twm1010: the 3.0 interface is great until you have to do any work with templates
[19-Oct-2010 12:09:10] <Sam-I-Am> xuru: i almost did that yesterday for a webinar... and it was in my time zone.
[19-Oct-2010 12:09:14] <rmatte> then it's just a pain in the ass
[19-Oct-2010 12:09:22] <xuru> hehe
[19-Oct-2010 12:09:41] <twm1010> rmatte: I would agree, it was easier before
[19-Oct-2010 12:09:46] <rmatte> twm1010: what event selection thing?
[19-Oct-2010 12:10:03] <twm1010> i can't shift select or ctrl select in any event mgr view
[19-Oct-2010 12:10:15] <twm1010> or... just shift, apparently
[19-Oct-2010 12:10:28] <rmatte> the shift was removed on purpose
[19-Oct-2010 12:10:48] <rmatte> since it would select a range and potentially include events in the range that weren't currently displayed
[19-Oct-2010 12:11:08] <twm1010> ahh... so if you filtered out a certain severity
[19-Oct-2010 12:11:12] <twm1010> they were still being selected?
[19-Oct-2010 12:11:19] <rmatte> no...
[19-Oct-2010 12:11:44] <rmatte> more like, if an event came in while you were selecting them but which you hadn't refreshed to see, and it fell within that range, it would be affected as well
[19-Oct-2010 12:12:06] <rmatte> which is obviously undesirable
[19-Oct-2010 12:12:30] <rmatte> I agree that shift click to select is a must have feature though
[19-Oct-2010 12:12:37] <rmatte> so hopefully they'll find a way to make it work eventually
[19-Oct-2010 12:16:15] <Sam-I-Am> mmm, installing objects into zope db.. guess i should grab a snickers.
[19-Oct-2010 12:17:56] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[19-Oct-2010 12:20:05] <rmatte> good day Matt
[19-Oct-2010 12:20:12] <Parabola|Work> woo
[19-Oct-2010 12:20:18] <Parabola|Work> i had an interview this morning
[19-Oct-2010 12:20:21] <Parabola|Work> having a hard time focusing on my work
[19-Oct-2010 12:20:33] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 12:20:33] <mray> morning
[19-Oct-2010 12:20:40] <mducharme-laptop> morning all
[19-Oct-2010 12:20:45] <mray> I'm about to step out for some lunch, busy morning
[19-Oct-2010 12:21:03] <Sam-I-Am> Parabola|Work: brain fried?
[19-Oct-2010 12:21:06] <rmatte> same here (mmmm, lunch)
[19-Oct-2010 12:21:28] <mducharme-laptop> I have a zenoss 3.0.2 gui related question
[19-Oct-2010 12:21:33] <Parabola|Work> Sam-I-Am, yeah sorta, i spent all weekend reviewing , and reading interview books and taking notes
[19-Oct-2010 12:21:39] <mducharme-laptop> docs/DOC-3583
[19-Oct-2010 12:21:45] <Parabola|Work> it ended up being i didnt need the book, but i am glad i did anyway
[19-Oct-2010 12:22:00] <mducharme-laptop> in zenoss 3.0.2 things appear under "components" with headings
[19-Oct-2010 12:22:47] <mducharme-laptop> I was wondering why there are two bridge interfaces in the new version, that might be a limitation of zenoss?
[19-Oct-2010 12:23:13] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: where are these zenpatches located?
[19-Oct-2010 12:23:14] <mducharme-laptop> as in perhaps you can't customize column headings under components -> (name of custom component) ??
[19-Oct-2010 12:23:38] <ericenns> mducharme: No you can customize column headings under components
[19-Oct-2010 12:24:18] <mducharme-laptop> ok so then
[19-Oct-2010 12:24:27] <mducharme-laptop> there is no real need to have things set up the way jane curry does in that zenpack
[19-Oct-2010 12:24:31] <ericenns> I'll show you a screenshot in a second
[19-Oct-2010 12:24:38] <mducharme-laptop> it's possible to just have everything under components-bridgeinterfaces
[19-Oct-2010 12:25:10] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: they are fetched from the zenoss svn server
[19-Oct-2010 12:25:26] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: you just need to use zenpatch to install them
[19-Oct-2010 12:25:28] <ericenns> mducharme-laptop: yes correct
[19-Oct-2010 12:25:38] <mducharme-laptop> ok cool
[19-Oct-2010 12:25:42] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: as the zenoss user just execute: zenpatch <patch number>
[19-Oct-2010 12:25:47] <mducharme-laptop> because I have to start work on reprogramming my trango plugin
[19-Oct-2010 12:25:57] <mducharme-laptop> I used to have it using interfaces
[19-Oct-2010 12:26:13] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: ahh
[19-Oct-2010 12:26:15] * Sam-I-Am goes looking
[19-Oct-2010 12:26:41] <mducharme-laptop> even though it doesn't have an IETF iftable
[19-Oct-2010 12:26:50] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: I thought I gave you all of the zenpatch commands that you needed
[19-Oct-2010 12:27:00] <ericenns> mducharme-laptop: if you have any Dell servers you can try Dell Monitor the 3.0.x version
[19-Oct-2010 12:27:23] <rmatte> Fix zeodb churn: zenpatch 18589 && zenpatch 18908 && zenpatch 18890 && zenpatch 18941
[19-Oct-2010 12:27:24] <rmatte> Fix sawtooth zenprocess graph: zenpatch 19577
[19-Oct-2010 12:28:06] <mducharme-laptop> hopefully there will be a fix soon for portrait orientation monitors in maximized windows
[19-Oct-2010 12:28:19] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: just the #s
[19-Oct-2010 12:28:32] <rmatte> ah ok, well there are the commands
[19-Oct-2010 12:28:33] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 12:28:37] <Sam-I-Am> oh yeah, i guess it does have &&
[19-Oct-2010 12:28:49] <rmatte> && is a standard linux operator lol
[19-Oct-2010 12:28:53] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[19-Oct-2010 12:28:58] * Sam-I-Am overlooked
[19-Oct-2010 12:28:59] <rmatte> well, bash I should say
[19-Oct-2010 12:29:03] <rmatte> 
[19-Oct-2010 12:29:07] <Sam-I-Am> sometimes i use && when talking to people
[19-Oct-2010 12:29:13] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 12:29:27] <rmatte> I like && since it only runs the next command if the last one finished without erroring
[19-Oct-2010 12:29:39] <mducharme-laptop> you know you're a geek when
[19-Oct-2010 12:29:40] <rmatte> it's a lot safer than just ;
[19-Oct-2010 12:29:54] <Sam-I-Am> ooooh, i see... zenpatch actually fetches it too.
[19-Oct-2010 12:30:00] <rmatte> I always use == instead of = in chat conversations
[19-Oct-2010 12:30:04] <rmatte> force of habbit
[19-Oct-2010 12:30:04] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 12:30:08] <Sam-I-Am> nerds!
[19-Oct-2010 12:30:13] <rmatte> geeks 
[19-Oct-2010 12:30:20] <rmatte> I don't wear no spinny hat
[19-Oct-2010 12:31:34] <Sam-I-Am> dunno, i think the word 'nerd' got more trendy
[19-Oct-2010 12:31:46] <Sam-I-Am> hell, if hipsters are trendy, nerds are trendy... they dress worse than us
[19-Oct-2010 12:31:54] <rmatte> nerd doesn't define someone who is computer savvy though
[19-Oct-2010 12:32:10] <rmatte> it's more aimed at scientist/mathematician types
[19-Oct-2010 12:33:05] <Sam-I-Am> mmkay, 2.5.2+patches is installed
[19-Oct-2010 12:33:14] <rmatte> cool, restart zenoss after patching
[19-Oct-2010 12:33:17] <rmatte> and then you're good to go
[19-Oct-2010 12:33:18] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[19-Oct-2010 12:33:32] <Sam-I-Am> now to see if it actually works
[19-Oct-2010 12:33:38] <rmatte> office is taking foreveeeeeeer to install
[19-Oct-2010 12:33:45] <rmatte> It took me less time to install windows
[19-Oct-2010 12:33:46] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 12:34:40] <Parabola|Work> question for you guys
[19-Oct-2010 12:34:59] <Parabola|Work> i had an interview today, i think it went well, they gave me business cards and said if i had any questions i could email them.
[19-Oct-2010 12:35:24] <Parabola|Work> is it frowned upon to email saying thanks for taking the time to meet with me, i'm very interested in the position..ect
[19-Oct-2010 12:35:30] <ericenns> I perfer the word geek
[19-Oct-2010 12:35:41] <imeyer> Parabola|Work: that's usually the preferred action to take
[19-Oct-2010 12:35:44] <Parabola|Work> fine, i have an inquiry for you geeks
[19-Oct-2010 12:35:52] <Parabola|Work> imeyer,  okay, so it wouldnt make me look bad to do it?
[19-Oct-2010 12:36:00] <Parabola|Work> i really want this job
[19-Oct-2010 12:36:11] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: I wouldn't personally do that, but you might want to send an email asking some intelligent questions about the job to make yourself visible.
[19-Oct-2010 12:36:13] <imeyer> "Thanks for taking your time to meet with me. The position sounds very much in line wiht what I'm looking for and I look forward to the next steps."
[19-Oct-2010 12:36:18] <ericenns> haha lol I was relaying that at Sam-I-Am
[19-Oct-2010 12:36:22] <rmatte> I think everyone has their own style when it comes to that though
[19-Oct-2010 12:36:40] <Parabola|Work> yeah, the people i met with would be my supervisor, and manager
[19-Oct-2010 12:36:49] <Parabola|Work> so they were it guys, who got promoted, and sitll do actual work
[19-Oct-2010 12:36:53] <Parabola|Work> not just manager stuff
[19-Oct-2010 12:37:00] <rmatte> I wouldn't use the term "next steps", it makes it sound like you're expecting them to give you the job
[19-Oct-2010 12:37:01] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 12:37:02] <ericenns> Parabola|Work: might want to make sure there are no spelling mistakes in it though
[19-Oct-2010 12:37:07] <rmatte> but the rest of it sounds fine.
[19-Oct-2010 12:37:10] <imeyer> rmatte: not really
[19-Oct-2010 12:37:21] <imeyer> even if the next steps are "thanks but no thanks"
[19-Oct-2010 12:37:27] <ericenns> oh crap meant imeyer
[19-Oct-2010 12:37:42] <Parabola|Work> so, what i'm hearing is, in general , emailing saying thank you and that you're interested, is NOT a bad thing?
[19-Oct-2010 12:37:46] * imeyer rolls eyes
[19-Oct-2010 12:37:56] <imeyer> Parabola|Work: yeah
[19-Oct-2010 12:38:07] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: It should be fine, yeh
[19-Oct-2010 12:38:16] <imeyer> write it in your own style and try not to sound robotic
[19-Oct-2010 12:38:21] <Parabola|Work> yeah I will
[19-Oct-2010 12:38:24] <imeyer> 
[19-Oct-2010 12:39:01] <Sam-I-Am> hopefully installing the zenoss enterprise zenpacks wont cause issues with these patches
[19-Oct-2010 12:39:30] <Parabola|Work> i'm just worried it might seem needy, or annoying
[19-Oct-2010 12:39:36] <Parabola|Work> i dont want them to associate me with annoying
[19-Oct-2010 12:39:44] <imeyer> who cares if they think you're annoying
[19-Oct-2010 12:39:45] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: It won't, there's only 1 enterprise pack that doesn't agree with the zeodb churn fixes, the Cisco UC pack.
[19-Oct-2010 12:39:52] <Parabola|Work> i do?
[19-Oct-2010 12:39:56] <imeyer> why?
[19-Oct-2010 12:40:01] <rmatte> but they probably fixed the problem with that pack by now
[19-Oct-2010 12:40:07] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: will it try to install and blow up?
[19-Oct-2010 12:40:09] <Parabola|Work> why would i not want my future bosses to think i'm annoying?
[19-Oct-2010 12:40:11] <Parabola|Work> really
[19-Oct-2010 12:40:33] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: I'm not sure, I'm just relaying what I was told by rocket
[19-Oct-2010 12:40:47] * Sam-I-Am waits to see
[19-Oct-2010 12:40:55] <Sam-I-Am> need to grab another fattening snickers
[19-Oct-2010 12:41:08] <Sam-I-Am> one thing i need to do on the final install of this is remove all the zenpacks i dont need
[19-Oct-2010 12:41:12] <Sam-I-Am> tons of clutter
[19-Oct-2010 12:41:15] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: one email is not an annoyance
[19-Oct-2010 12:41:22] <Parabola|Work> good point
[19-Oct-2010 12:41:28] <rmatte> Parabola|Work: If you mailbomb them, that's another matter
[19-Oct-2010 12:41:29] <Parabola|Work> lemme write this up
[19-Oct-2010 12:41:29] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 12:41:40] <imeyer> Yeah, just one email doesn't make you annoying
[19-Oct-2010 12:41:46] <imeyer> and if it does, you don't want to work there anyway.
[19-Oct-2010 12:41:52] <rmatte> yeh, exactly
[19-Oct-2010 12:42:04] <Parabola|Work> oo, should i just email the supervisor
[19-Oct-2010 12:42:08] <Parabola|Work> or both?
[19-Oct-2010 12:42:14] <rmatte> speaking of which, I need to email my resume over to google
[19-Oct-2010 12:42:16] <Parabola|Work> the supervisor and me kind of hit it off, hes probobly 30
[19-Oct-2010 12:42:16] <imeyer> who was the interview mainly with
[19-Oct-2010 12:42:22] <Parabola|Work> the supervisor led it
[19-Oct-2010 12:42:27] <Parabola|Work> the manager was there but didnt say a whole lot
[19-Oct-2010 12:42:35] <imeyer> supervisor then
[19-Oct-2010 12:42:38] <Parabola|Work> kk
[19-Oct-2010 12:45:00] <rmatte> Yeh, always target the person doing the interview.  Managers are just spectators most of the time at interviews.
[19-Oct-2010 12:45:08] <Parabola|Work> yeah
[19-Oct-2010 12:45:15] <Parabola|Work> to see if i like pick my nose
[19-Oct-2010 12:45:16] <Parabola|Work> 
[19-Oct-2010 12:45:22] <rmatte> It's horrible practice to have managers do interviews because you end up with useless employees
[19-Oct-2010 12:45:23] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 12:45:38] <rmatte> "They seemed nice, great personality"
[19-Oct-2010 12:45:40] <imeyer> well, depends on the manager
[19-Oct-2010 12:45:46] <rmatte> "Do they know anything about networking, or servers?"
[19-Oct-2010 12:45:51] <rmatte> "Uhhh....."
[19-Oct-2010 12:46:00] <imeyer> if it's a paper pushing mangager, then yeah.. totally.
[19-Oct-2010 12:46:11] <rmatte> yeah, if it's a technical manager then it's fine
[19-Oct-2010 12:46:14] <imeyer> yeah
[19-Oct-2010 12:46:30] <imeyer> i'm a "manager" but i'm not *that* kind of manager
[19-Oct-2010 12:47:08] <rmatte> hehe
[19-Oct-2010 12:47:59] <imeyer> but then again, when i interview people i don't really care about their technical skills
[19-Oct-2010 12:48:08] <imeyer> i care about how adept they are and if they're a toolbag
[19-Oct-2010 12:48:27] <rmatte> yeh
[19-Oct-2010 12:48:35] <imeyer> cause using linux at company a will always be different than company b, even if it's the same distro
[19-Oct-2010 12:49:15] <rmatte> yup
[19-Oct-2010 12:49:34] <rmatte> afk for a few
[19-Oct-2010 12:50:03] <Parabola|Work> yeah
[19-Oct-2010 12:50:18] <Parabola|Work> imeyer,  the position i applied for was linux and aix
[19-Oct-2010 12:50:27] <Sam-I-Am> pronounced "aches"
[19-Oct-2010 12:50:43] <imeyer> how do people still use aix?
[19-Oct-2010 12:50:53] <imeyer> last time i used aix was 01
[19-Oct-2010 12:50:56] <Sam-I-Am> oh sure
[19-Oct-2010 12:51:01] <Parabola|Work> dunno they love it
[19-Oct-2010 12:51:08] <imeyer> that's kinda cool
[19-Oct-2010 12:51:09] <Parabola|Work> i'm all for learning
[19-Oct-2010 12:51:12] <imeyer> i like shops like that
[19-Oct-2010 12:51:16] <Parabola|Work> yeah they were all windows
[19-Oct-2010 12:51:24] <Parabola|Work> they are moving to linux, theres like, 2 racks left of windows stuff lol
[19-Oct-2010 12:51:29] <Parabola|Work> erm, linux and aix
[19-Oct-2010 12:51:32] <Sam-I-Am> virtualization on ibm stuff rocks
[19-Oct-2010 12:51:40] <Parabola|Work> yeah verios or somthing like that
[19-Oct-2010 12:51:56] <Parabola|Work> it sounded pretty neat, <3 hypervisors
[19-Oct-2010 12:52:06] <Parabola|Work> writing this isnt easy
[19-Oct-2010 12:52:36] <Sam-I-Am> Parabola|Work: heh, yeah... i know how that goes.  brain gooping up.
[19-Oct-2010 12:52:38] <imeyer> gist what you have so far
[19-Oct-2010 12:52:41] <Sam-I-Am> "did i write this correctly?"
[19-Oct-2010 12:54:42] <Parabola|Work>  I just wanted to say thank you very much for taking time out of your day to interview me for this position.  I really liked what I saw.  It looks like a fantastic place to work, that rewards hard work and dedication.  I'm at a loss for a way to word this, but I'm extremely interested in this position, and if you have any questions for me, please feel free to ask.
[19-Oct-2010 12:54:45] <Parabola|Work> thats what i've got
[19-Oct-2010 12:55:11] <Parabola|Work> i was thinking somthing like "if you have any reservations about my qualifications or experience, please let me know"
[19-Oct-2010 12:59:22] <imeyer> it's a bit..
[19-Oct-2010 12:59:24] <Sam-I-Am> eh
[19-Oct-2010 12:59:30] <imeyer> needy and over-enthusiastic
[19-Oct-2010 12:59:41] <imeyer> drop: "I'm at a loss for a way to word this, but I'm extremely interested in this position, and"
[19-Oct-2010 12:59:47] <Sam-I-Am> agreed
[19-Oct-2010 13:00:51] <Parabola|Work> kk
[19-Oct-2010 13:01:02] <Parabola|Work> scrap that
[19-Oct-2010 13:01:11] <Sam-I-Am> and you can remove the "i just wanted to say..."
[19-Oct-2010 13:01:32] <Parabola|Work> done
[19-Oct-2010 13:01:34] <Parabola|Work> i didnt like that bit
[19-Oct-2010 13:01:38] <Parabola|Work> it was just a filler until i got somthing better
[19-Oct-2010 13:01:46] <Parabola|Work> whats a good way to say you're interested in the position
[19-Oct-2010 13:01:52] <imeyer> here's what i said in my last email to a potential employer: "Thanks for having me in to meet the rest of the team. Everyone is really smart and personable with great senses of humor. It was a good time.  I'm looking forward to the next steps!"
[19-Oct-2010 13:02:02] <Parabola|Work> nice
[19-Oct-2010 13:02:31] <Sam-I-Am> something like "thank you very much for taking the time to interview me this morning.  i enjoyed the interview and look forward to hearing from you in the near future.  feel free to ask me any questions or follow up on items discussed at the interview."
[19-Oct-2010 13:02:43] <imeyer> yeah, that's good too ^^
[19-Oct-2010 13:03:45] <Parabola|Work> hows this
[19-Oct-2010 13:03:47] <Parabola|Work>  I just wanted to say thank you very much for taking time out of your day to interview me this morning.  I really liked what I saw.  It looks like a fantastic place to work, that rewards hard work and dedication. I look forward to hearing from you in the near future.  Feel free to ask me any questions or follow up on items discussed in the interview.
[19-Oct-2010 13:03:58] <Parabola|Work> (thanks a bunch for helping me guys, its good to get some feedback on this)
[19-Oct-2010 13:04:10] <imeyer> of course! 
[19-Oct-2010 13:04:27] <Parabola|Work> that sound good?
[19-Oct-2010 13:04:28] <kobalt> yeah reading that as a hiring manager myself it sounds fine
[19-Oct-2010 13:04:33] <Sam-I-Am> e-mails relating to interviews drive my mind crazy... not sure about you guys
[19-Oct-2010 13:04:38] <imeyer> Sam-I-Am: me too
[19-Oct-2010 13:04:38] <Parabola|Work> +1
[19-Oct-2010 13:04:41] <Sam-I-Am> i can work on them forever
[19-Oct-2010 13:04:42] <imeyer> i iterate for hours/days sometimes
[19-Oct-2010 13:04:51] <Sam-I-Am> stupid OCD
[19-Oct-2010 13:04:54] <Parabola|Work> I really want this job, so its worth it
[19-Oct-2010 13:04:56] <imeyer> until i just get fed up and fire off something stupid
[19-Oct-2010 13:05:38] <Sam-I-Am> do any of you adhere to the 'write once, delete, write again' theory for angry e-mails?
[19-Oct-2010 13:06:40] <imeyer> for i in `jot 20 1`; do write $i; delete $; done;
[19-Oct-2010 13:07:01] <imeyer> in short, yes.
[19-Oct-2010 13:07:15] <Parabola|Work> lol
[19-Oct-2010 13:07:29] <Parabola|Work> oh, any of you have any experience with Tivoli monitoring?
[19-Oct-2010 13:07:39] <Sam-I-Am> not i
[19-Oct-2010 13:07:46] <Parabola|Work> its not setup very well i was told
[19-Oct-2010 13:07:51] <imeyer> i know a guy who does
[19-Oct-2010 13:08:01] <Parabola|Work> so its somthing i could fix
[19-Oct-2010 13:09:01] <imeyer> sounds fun 
[19-Oct-2010 13:09:51] <Parabola|Work> lol fun
[19-Oct-2010 13:09:55] <Parabola|Work> if its half as "fun" as zenoss
[19-Oct-2010 13:10:00] <Parabola|Work> i may jump in front of a train 
[19-Oct-2010 13:10:13] <Sam-I-Am> you just replace it with zenoss
[19-Oct-2010 13:14:17] <rmatte> lol, I have 5 zennies on my desk
[19-Oct-2010 13:14:24] <rmatte> briefly, before I give them away
[19-Oct-2010 13:15:39] * Sam-I-Am watches his mac mini chug away running zenoss in a vm
[19-Oct-2010 13:15:52] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 13:16:00] <rmatte> that's going to be slooooow
[19-Oct-2010 13:16:03] * Sam-I-Am watches it catch fire
[19-Oct-2010 13:16:37] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: sysmin is rolling a new vm environment, so this is what i get to use for a few days
[19-Oct-2010 13:17:09] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 13:17:19] <rmatte> at least it's not prod 
[19-Oct-2010 13:17:37] <Sam-I-Am> did i mention we're very low budget? lol
[19-Oct-2010 13:17:39] <rmatte> "Our entire infrastructure depends on this intrepid little mac mini!"
[19-Oct-2010 13:17:43] <Sam-I-Am> could be a cluster of minis... who knows.
[19-Oct-2010 13:17:47] <rmatte> hehe
[19-Oct-2010 13:21:02] <Parabola|Work> lol
[19-Oct-2010 13:21:05] <Parabola|Work> mac minis
[19-Oct-2010 13:21:51] <Sam-I-Am> heh @ clicking on a screenshot and wondering why the buttons dont work
[19-Oct-2010 13:24:30] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 13:24:44] <rmatte> that's one thing I've never done
[19-Oct-2010 13:25:14] <rmatte> I've seen it happen plenty of times though
[19-Oct-2010 13:26:21] * Sam-I-Am wonders if he should 'update' the foundry zenpack to be more brocade-like
[19-Oct-2010 13:26:26] <Sam-I-Am> since brocade bought foundry
[19-Oct-2010 13:29:54] <Sam-I-Am> although theres already a brocade zenpack... might be ideal to merge the two
[19-Oct-2010 13:31:58] <rmatte> the brocade ZenPack that is there right now is garbage
[19-Oct-2010 13:32:08] <rmatte> the way they designed it, it's only capable of monitoring the first port on the switch
[19-Oct-2010 13:32:12] <rmatte> they did it all wrong
[19-Oct-2010 13:32:22] <imeyer> brocade bought foundry?
[19-Oct-2010 13:32:24] <imeyer> when?
[19-Oct-2010 13:32:32] <rmatte> for it to be done properly a proper modeler/collector plugin would need to be written
[19-Oct-2010 13:33:06] <rmatte> I'm going to write one eventually since we need to be able to properly monitor our brocade switches
[19-Oct-2010 13:33:54] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: fc or ethernet switches?
[19-Oct-2010 13:34:04] <rmatte> fc
[19-Oct-2010 13:34:06] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: guess a lot of stuff needs rewriting :/
[19-Oct-2010 13:34:11] <rmatte> which is what the pack is designed for
[19-Oct-2010 13:34:27] <rmatte> yeh, there are some bad quality ZenPacks out there
[19-Oct-2010 13:34:33] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 13:34:44] <rmatte> "This seems to work, let's submit it"
[19-Oct-2010 13:35:07] <rmatte> the only good thing about the current brocade pack is that it saves me from having to hunt down the OIDs when I do decide to write my own
[19-Oct-2010 13:35:56] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[19-Oct-2010 13:36:06] <Sam-I-Am> i think a lot of people just write enough to make the basics work
[19-Oct-2010 13:36:12] <Sam-I-Am> at least enough for whatever they need
[19-Oct-2010 13:36:13] <rmatte> yeh
[19-Oct-2010 13:36:22] <rmatte> that's exactly it
[19-Oct-2010 13:36:27] <rmatte> but it's bad practice
[19-Oct-2010 13:37:49] <imeyer> itch scratching
[19-Oct-2010 13:40:37] <Sam-I-Am> hm, some of my zenpacks need earlier releases for 2.5...
[19-Oct-2010 13:41:25] <Sam-I-Am> at least the ones named py2.6
[19-Oct-2010 13:43:20] <rmatte> yeh, most of them are backwards compatible though
[19-Oct-2010 13:43:43] <rmatte> you'll notice both a 2.4 and a 2.6 file on some of the pages
[19-Oct-2010 13:43:58] <rmatte> it's the same file just renamed to 2.4 and 2.6
[19-Oct-2010 13:45:09] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, i got some funky ass errors for one of the py2.6 ones
[19-Oct-2010 13:47:13] <rmatte> show me?
[19-Oct-2010 13:47:18] <rmatte> oh wait
[19-Oct-2010 13:47:28] <rmatte> you said you're running 2.5.2?
[19-Oct-2010 13:47:31] <Sam-I-Am> yeah
[19-Oct-2010 13:47:53] <rmatte> ok, you absolutely can't have -py2.6 in the filename to install on 2.5.2
[19-Oct-2010 13:47:58] <rmatte> what ZenPack?
[19-Oct-2010 13:48:13] <Sam-I-Am> yeah i figured as much
[19-Oct-2010 13:48:17] <Sam-I-Am> the showgraph portal
[19-Oct-2010 13:48:19] <rmatte> you can try removing the -py2.6 from the filename
[19-Oct-2010 13:48:22] <rmatte> and then it'll install
[19-Oct-2010 13:48:28] <rmatte> but there's no guarantee it's going to work
[19-Oct-2010 13:48:28] <Sam-I-Am> ah, i'll try that
[19-Oct-2010 13:48:34] <rmatte> if it was specifically coded for the new UI
[19-Oct-2010 13:48:43] <Sam-I-Am> well, theres a 1.01 for 2.x and 1.03 for 3.x
[19-Oct-2010 13:48:44] <rmatte> the showgraph portal should work
[19-Oct-2010 13:48:47] <Sam-I-Am> i can just install the 1.01
[19-Oct-2010 13:48:51] <rmatte> since the dashboard hasn't really changed much
[19-Oct-2010 13:49:04] <rmatte> well, you could install the 1.03
[19-Oct-2010 13:49:10] <rmatte> you'd just have to remove the -py2.6 from the filename
[19-Oct-2010 13:49:15] <rmatte> it's only erroring because of the filename
[19-Oct-2010 13:49:29] <Sam-I-Am> ah
[19-Oct-2010 13:49:30] <Sam-I-Am> i'll try it
[19-Oct-2010 13:49:31] <rmatte> but I don't know if the 1.03 would work with the old UI
[19-Oct-2010 13:49:43] <rmatte> depends on how much dashboard coding changed from 2.5 to 3.0
[19-Oct-2010 13:49:52] <Sam-I-Am> theres also the foundrymonitor one... but nothings changed except the -py2.6 part of the filename
[19-Oct-2010 13:49:58] <jb> gr
[19-Oct-2010 13:50:05] <jb> hey mray?
[19-Oct-2010 13:50:51] <mray> yes?
[19-Oct-2010 13:53:27] <rmatte> *tumbleweed*
[19-Oct-2010 13:53:52] <rmatte> did he call your name and run away?
[19-Oct-2010 13:53:58] * Sam-I-Am monitors tumbleweed in zenoss
[19-Oct-2010 13:53:59] <jb> no.
[19-Oct-2010 13:54:02] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 13:54:31] <rmatte> tumbleweed dust threshold exceeded
[19-Oct-2010 13:55:47] <mray> tada!
[19-Oct-2010 13:55:48] <jb> 
[19-Oct-2010 13:55:51] <jb> thanks!
[19-Oct-2010 13:55:57] <cgibbons> damn summoning spells
[19-Oct-2010 13:56:00] <jb> ha
[19-Oct-2010 13:56:16] <Sam-I-Am> people magically appear...
[19-Oct-2010 13:56:57] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 13:59:55] <imeyer> mray: any update on that debian repo signing? 
[19-Oct-2010 14:00:33] <mray> imeyer: it's sitting in the queue.  I know our build engineer has been busy with the VMware appliance and getting 3.0.3 shaped up
[19-Oct-2010 14:02:21] <rmatte> 3.0.4 FTW!
[19-Oct-2010 14:02:27] <rmatte> (kidding)
[19-Oct-2010 14:02:37] <rmatte> I guess it's straight to 3.1 after 3.0.3
[19-Oct-2010 14:03:02] <cgibbons> you never know
[19-Oct-2010 14:03:22] <rmatte> there are some funny python errors in 3.0
[19-Oct-2010 14:03:38] <rmatte> if you do --help on any of the daemons you get an error
[19-Oct-2010 14:03:52] <rmatte> same with other commands like zenpack and zenmib
[19-Oct-2010 14:04:25] <Sam-I-Am> is that what thats all about
[19-Oct-2010 14:08:33] <imeyer> mray: awesome  thanks!
[19-Oct-2010 14:10:19] <jmp242> I'm trying to run ZenDeviceDump on 2.5.2 and keep getting: AttributeError: 'HttpMonitorDataSource' object has no attribute '__of__' ... This has been an issue, and so before trying to upgrade to 3.0.2, I was going to clean up a bit. So I deleted the template that was using it, no real fix. Then I removed the zenpack that provides the datasource figuring I can re-install later a newer version. No luck. So I then restarted Zenoss to see if that would
[19-Oct-2010 14:10:19] <jmp242> clear out the error, no luck.
[19-Oct-2010 14:10:34] <jmp242> any ideas to clean this up short of a clean reinstall?
[19-Oct-2010 14:11:13] <twm1010> hrmmm.. you're absolutely certain no other templates use that datasource?
[19-Oct-2010 14:12:53] <jmp242> Hmm, pretty certain. Is there a way to check short of clicking through all device classes and looking in the templates?
[19-Oct-2010 14:13:27] <twm1010> i thought there was a context dropdown to show "all" templates
[19-Oct-2010 14:15:00] <jmp242> Oh ho, there is
[19-Oct-2010 14:15:02] <jmp242> looking now
[19-Oct-2010 14:20:31] <Sam-I-Am> wow, someone just ssh hammered my laptop
[19-Oct-2010 14:20:38] <Sam-I-Am> stupid scans
[19-Oct-2010 14:20:40] <rmatte> nice
[19-Oct-2010 14:20:50] <twm1010> so you get right on SSH hammering them back
[19-Oct-2010 14:20:51] <rmatte> my server gets nailed all the time by those
[19-Oct-2010 14:20:51] <Sam-I-Am> couldnt figure out why the fan cranked up so loud
[19-Oct-2010 14:21:29] <rmatte> twm1010: it's usually done with some script worm that someone writes
[19-Oct-2010 14:22:06] <rmatte> It would actually be braindead simple to write one lol
[19-Oct-2010 14:24:22] <xuru> bigegor: you around?  I'm having some difficulty with MsSQLMon_ODBC :/
[19-Oct-2010 14:24:42] <bigegor> yes, i'm here.
[19-Oct-2010 14:25:55] <xuru> I have this as my connection string:  DRIVER={FreeTDS};UID=myuser;PWD=mypasswd
[19-Oct-2010 14:26:15] <xuru> and KingSql1 in zMsSqlSrvinstances
[19-Oct-2010 14:26:35] <xuru> I'm getting a connection error
[19-Oct-2010 14:26:59] <xuru> Received error (('08001', '[08001] [unixODBC][FreeTDS][SQL Server]Unable to connect to data source (0) (SQLDriverConnectW)'))
[19-Oct-2010 14:27:37] <xuru> I have a script using pyodbc with the same connection string that works...
[19-Oct-2010 14:28:47] <xuru> I haven't changed any source, and it's a fresh install
[19-Oct-2010 14:30:50] <bigegor> xuru: check /home/zenoss/.odbc.ini
[19-Oct-2010 14:31:39] <xuru> ah, was that generated?
[19-Oct-2010 14:32:19] <xuru> think I see the problem
[19-Oct-2010 14:32:34] <bigegor> xuru: yes, if you don't install pyodbc
[19-Oct-2010 14:33:04] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, thats weird.  trying to add a command to zenoss, it keeps claiming i'm using an invalid or blank password.
[19-Oct-2010 14:33:11] <Sam-I-Am> yet its definitely the password i used to log in
[19-Oct-2010 14:34:17] <xuru> bigegor: ok, that worked.  I put the db in the instance variable which was just dumb on my part lol
[19-Oct-2010 14:34:49] <bigegor> xuru: np
[19-Oct-2010 14:34:58] <xuru> thanks 
[19-Oct-2010 14:36:31] <bigegor> xuru: are you a Java guru? 
[19-Oct-2010 14:36:55] <xuru> I don't know about guru, but that's what I'm developing in now
[19-Oct-2010 14:37:08] <xuru> <- software developer
[19-Oct-2010 14:37:35] <bigegor> xuru: how about ZenPack for Tomcat and JBoss monitoring
[19-Oct-2010 14:37:40] <bigegor> ?
[19-Oct-2010 14:37:59] <xuru> the JMX zenpack works pretty well
[19-Oct-2010 14:38:19] <xuru> but are you saying more like providing a list of apps and such?
[19-Oct-2010 14:38:29] <bigegor> yes
[19-Oct-2010 14:38:53] <xuru> that would be really cool...  I might be able to devote some time here at work too it
[19-Oct-2010 14:39:10] <xuru> I'll float it past my boss and see what he says
[19-Oct-2010 14:40:41] <bigegor> I don't realy know what exactly is important for Java Apps Monitoring 
[19-Oct-2010 14:41:24] <xuru> Currently with the JMX zenpack you can monitor overall heap and memory usage
[19-Oct-2010 14:41:35] <xuru> it would be nice to graph that out per app
[19-Oct-2010 14:41:49] <xuru> for leaks or bad behavior
[19-Oct-2010 14:42:04] <bigegor> and how to get apps list?
[19-Oct-2010 14:44:17] <xuru> good question...  I would assume you can get that through JMX
[19-Oct-2010 14:44:32] <xuru> much as you would with something like WMI
[19-Oct-2010 14:44:36] <xuru> query based
[19-Oct-2010 14:44:47] <xuru> http://code.google.com/p/psi-probe/
[19-Oct-2010 14:44:59] <xuru> we use that off of tomcat to see details for each app
[19-Oct-2010 14:45:06] <xuru> might be a place to look
[19-Oct-2010 14:46:13] <xuru> they use mbeans
[19-Oct-2010 14:47:17] * xuru is looking through his jvisualvm app
[19-Oct-2010 14:47:52] <xuru> so the mbean would be something like Catalina.Cache.localhost
[19-Oct-2010 14:48:26] <xuru> Catalina:type=Cache,host=localhost,path=/probe
[19-Oct-2010 14:50:06] <xuru> bigegor: you can download this app to use the commandline for testing  http://crawler.archive.org/cmdline-jmxclient/
[19-Oct-2010 14:51:35] <bigegor> cool
[19-Oct-2010 14:51:41] <Parabola|Work> imeyer,  you still here mate?
[19-Oct-2010 14:53:27] <imeyer> i am sir
[19-Oct-2010 14:53:48] <Sam-I-Am> any of you guys see a good reason to remove 'unused' zenpacks?
[19-Oct-2010 14:53:54] <Sam-I-Am> even if they were installed from core/enterprise rpms
[19-Oct-2010 14:55:31] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: my OCD tendencies make me want to 
[19-Oct-2010 14:55:36] <Sam-I-Am> mine too
[19-Oct-2010 14:55:41] <Sam-I-Am> but sometimesthose are bad
[19-Oct-2010 14:55:45] <Simon4> yeah
[19-Oct-2010 14:55:55] <jmp242> What are people using for Linux SNMP monitoring now that the ImprovedLinux zenpack is gone?
[19-Oct-2010 14:56:14] <jmp242> I'm trying to upgrade to v3, and figure I have to get rid of this zenpack first as it's not an egg
[19-Oct-2010 14:56:32] <jmp242> but I don't want to lose all the monitoring and would prefer not to try and recreate by hand
[19-Oct-2010 14:56:48] <Parabola|Work> he replied back to my email
[19-Oct-2010 14:56:58] <Sam-I-Am> woot
[19-Oct-2010 14:57:15] <Sam-I-Am> jmp242: gone as in no longer maintained?
[19-Oct-2010 14:57:29] <merlincorey> anyone happen to read my query from yesterday evening?
[19-Oct-2010 14:57:55] <jmp242> Well, removed from the download list
[19-Oct-2010 14:58:16] <jmp242> it's too bad as if I still had the installer .zip I could try eggifying it
[19-Oct-2010 14:58:44] <merlincorey> just curious if there is a good way to automate data point creation from data sources I make
[19-Oct-2010 14:59:40] <merlincorey> kind of like how munin plugins write their own rrds often
[19-Oct-2010 14:59:53] <merlincorey> by saying what they need
[19-Oct-2010 14:59:59] <Sam-I-Am> jmp242: maybe
[19-Oct-2010 15:00:00] <Sam-I-Am> er
[19-Oct-2010 15:00:06] <Sam-I-Am> maybe 'linux monitoring addon' ?
[19-Oct-2010 15:00:16] <jmp242> Yea, but that uses SSH
[19-Oct-2010 15:00:30] <jmp242> I guess people aren't using SNMP much for Linux
[19-Oct-2010 15:00:44] <Sam-I-Am> i'm a network guy, so i dont pay much attention to systems things
[19-Oct-2010 15:00:50] <Sam-I-Am> and now its time for a fun meeting...
[19-Oct-2010 15:00:55] <ericenns> I use snmp for linux'
[19-Oct-2010 15:01:08] <bigegor> I'm too
[19-Oct-2010 15:01:10] <Simon4> we use SNMP for linux
[19-Oct-2010 15:01:12] <ericenns> merlincorey: yes there is
[19-Oct-2010 15:01:14] <jmp242> See:
[19-Oct-2010 15:01:14] <jmp242> blogs/zenossblog/tags/mibs
[19-Oct-2010 15:01:18] <jmp242> way at the end
[19-Oct-2010 15:01:27] <jmp242> one of the first posts was the ImprovedLinux zenpack
[19-Oct-2010 15:01:29] <xuru> bigegor: http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/catalina/funcspecs/mbean-names.html
[19-Oct-2010 15:01:38] <ericenns> I do it in my zenpack
[19-Oct-2010 15:01:48] <jmp242> Does the current default SNMP stuff differentiate between cached memory
[19-Oct-2010 15:01:50] <merlincorey> ericenns: could you please give me a pointer? is it basically I need to make a zenpack instead of using the interface?
[19-Oct-2010 15:02:04] <jmp242> and used memory (i.e. filesystem cache)
[19-Oct-2010 15:02:09] <jmp242> and actual programs
[19-Oct-2010 15:02:15] <ericenns> merlincorey: are you making your own datasource or just a template?
[19-Oct-2010 15:02:24] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[19-Oct-2010 15:02:40] <bigegor> xuru: thanks, i think i can start development.
[19-Oct-2010 15:03:05] <xuru> bigegor: yeah, that last link will tell you all the mbeans
[19-Oct-2010 15:07:14] <merlincorey> ericenns: not sure what you mean as far as the distinction; I am making a template for a server type that I have my own COMMAND data source for... but it has like 17 metrics and they are repeated 3 times for a total of 51... don't want to do that by hand ever again (and I will be adding more metrics to this set in the future)
[19-Oct-2010 15:07:43] <Simon4> merlincorey: you can create templates and datasources within a template with zendmd
[19-Oct-2010 15:08:10] <merlincorey> Simon4: you mean the web interface?
[19-Oct-2010 15:08:21] <ericenns> merlincorey: ok that's what I was looking for I will give you a look at my source
[19-Oct-2010 15:08:24] <Simon4> merlincorey: no, the scripting interface
[19-Oct-2010 15:08:48] <merlincorey> Simon4: I see the docs now thanks
[19-Oct-2010 15:08:59] <merlincorey> ericenns: thanks
[19-Oct-2010 15:09:14] <Simon4> merlincorey: let me know if you want me to pastie a sample or two, i have some sample code somewhere
[19-Oct-2010 15:09:15] <merlincorey> so do I basically then make a .egg or zenpack or whatever that has a script that uses the zendmd?
[19-Oct-2010 15:09:34] <merlincorey> that would certainly save me some time, but I am gonna read through the docs eventually 
[19-Oct-2010 15:09:34] <Simon4> you can just make a python script that uses zendmd as the zenoss user
[19-Oct-2010 15:10:06] <merlincorey> so I'd be making like an "install-template.py" basically and run it as zen user with zen's python?
[19-Oct-2010 15:10:11] <ericenns> merlincorey: nevermind my way
[19-Oct-2010 15:10:17] <Simon4> merlincorey: indeed
[19-Oct-2010 15:10:24] <merlincorey> excellent that's pretty much what I was looking for
[19-Oct-2010 15:10:32] <ericenns> I thought you had a custom data source
[19-Oct-2010 15:10:36] <merlincorey> it is custom data source
[19-Oct-2010 15:10:40] <merlincorey> a custom command
[19-Oct-2010 15:10:45] <merlincorey> that outputs 51 data points :S
[19-Oct-2010 15:10:53] <merlincorey> adding them into the interface by hand was a really long process yesterday
[19-Oct-2010 15:11:14] <ericenns> merlincorey: No I mean a custom datasource type
[19-Oct-2010 15:11:26] <merlincorey> oh you mean like separate from say SNMP or COMMAND?
[19-Oct-2010 15:11:34] <ericenns> yes exactly
[19-Oct-2010 15:11:51] <Simon4> merlincorey: if you've already done it, the other thing you can do is make a zenpack in the GUI, then add that template to the zenpack
[19-Oct-2010 15:11:58] <Simon4> then you can export the zenpack and use it elsewhere
[19-Oct-2010 15:12:03] <merlincorey> well I need to modify it
[19-Oct-2010 15:12:11] <merlincorey> I am adding more metrics / removing some I don't find useful
[19-Oct-2010 15:12:16] <Simon4> right, if you want to modify things than scritping it is definitely the way to go
[19-Oct-2010 15:12:41] <merlincorey> but I wonder if there is a better way to go about what I am doing
[19-Oct-2010 15:13:06] <ericenns> you can always re-add it to the zenpack but that involves updating it everychnage
[19-Oct-2010 15:13:13] <merlincorey> essentially, I have a service that runs 3 different instances on a single server on 3 different servers, so I am graphing data from each of the services on each of the servers
[19-Oct-2010 15:13:38] <merlincorey> so my hacky way at the moment was to write a command that received the three ports to check status on and then outputs data points for each one
[19-Oct-2010 15:13:49] <merlincorey> but obviously, if I have 2 instances or 4 instaces in the future, I'll have to rewrite this
[19-Oct-2010 15:13:59] <merlincorey> or at least redo the zen template
[19-Oct-2010 15:14:09] <merlincorey> anyway thanks for zendmd makes this sustainable for now
[19-Oct-2010 15:14:19] <Simon4> merlincorey: I scripted up the creation of custom apache templates for exactly that reason
[19-Oct-2010 15:14:33] <Simon4> it let me create copies of the template with different ports and names for datapoints etc very easily
[19-Oct-2010 15:15:00] <merlincorey> excellent, sounds like I went a decent way then
[19-Oct-2010 15:15:01] <Simon4> so in my opinion at least, you're on the right track
[19-Oct-2010 15:15:30] <merlincorey> I just was really sure there was a better way than spending and hour in the web interface if I need to do this again 
[19-Oct-2010 15:15:33] <merlincorey> rather WHEN
[19-Oct-2010 15:15:34] <merlincorey> thanks again
[19-Oct-2010 15:15:57] <Simon4> no probs 
[19-Oct-2010 15:19:45] <Parabola|Work> hm
[19-Oct-2010 15:19:50] <Parabola|Work> so if a service is shown as stopped
[19-Oct-2010 15:19:57] <Parabola|Work> is that a "critical" severity
[19-Oct-2010 15:20:01] <Parabola|Work> erm, os process not service
[19-Oct-2010 15:20:31] <Parabola|Work> nevermind
[19-Oct-2010 15:20:33] <Simon4> Parabola|Work: depends on zFailSeverity on that process
[19-Oct-2010 15:20:35] <Parabola|Work> i see you can change that
[19-Oct-2010 15:20:40] <Parabola|Work> yeah, sorry for asking before i looked
[19-Oct-2010 15:20:46] <Simon4> 
[19-Oct-2010 15:21:08] <Parabola|Work> reason being i stopped one that used to notify us
[19-Oct-2010 15:21:15] <xuru> bigegor: this is awesome for exploring:  http://www.cyclopsgroup.org/projects/jmxterm/
[19-Oct-2010 15:21:17] <Parabola|Work> and i left it off for 10min, and nothing, its set to delay by 300 seconds
[19-Oct-2010 15:22:21] <bigegor> xuru: thanks
[19-Oct-2010 15:22:28] <xuru> np, just found it
[19-Oct-2010 15:28:08] <xuru> bigegor: where in the Device object are the databases stored?  i.e. Device.os.ipservices are the ipservices I think, would it be Device.os.databases?
[19-Oct-2010 15:28:53] <bigegor> os.softwaredatabases
[19-Oct-2010 15:29:46] <xuru> sweet, thanks
[19-Oct-2010 15:32:03] <bigegor> in zendmd: find('devicename').os.__dict__
[19-Oct-2010 15:32:32] <xuru> ah, good to remember
[19-Oct-2010 15:33:07] <bigegor> database instances in: os.softwaredbsrvinstances
[19-Oct-2010 15:34:19] <bigegor> find('devicename').os.softwaredatabases() list components
[19-Oct-2010 15:39:03] <leshak> hello! i'm using zenoss core 3.0.1 under ubuntu 10.04 just for test and the buttons this servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/102-7789-9-4582/34-24/Action_Menu.png on ADVANCE -> USER, it don't exist so i can't create USERS and alerts rules.. ;/
[19-Oct-2010 15:39:39] <leshak> tested on Chrome and FF this button don't exist
[19-Oct-2010 15:39:51] <leshak> with admin account and manager account, ;/
[19-Oct-2010 15:43:23] <xuru> bigegor: quick question, does the user that you use for the ODBC stuff have to have access to all the databases or just to master?
[19-Oct-2010 15:44:07] <bigegor> for now, it need access to all databases
[19-Oct-2010 15:45:00] <xuru> ok
[19-Oct-2010 15:45:44] <xuru> with only a 'public' role?
[19-Oct-2010 15:52:37] <bigegor> hmm, i'm not sure, my query create one variable table.
[19-Oct-2010 15:55:22] <xuru> seems to work
[19-Oct-2010 16:02:26] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[19-Oct-2010 16:11:33] <jmp242> Ok, so the upgrade actually seemed to work!
[19-Oct-2010 16:19:37] <jmp242> Zenoss 3 isn't all that bad - actually pretty quick to learn I guess
[19-Oct-2010 16:19:52] <jmp242> I'm amazed we were able to get the upgrade to work
[19-Oct-2010 16:21:37] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 16:25:44] <jmp242> I like surprises like this
[19-Oct-2010 16:25:48] <jmp242> saves a longish rebuild
[19-Oct-2010 16:36:57] <rmatte> yup
[19-Oct-2010 16:43:02] <Firestar> jmp242, once you get used to it, you'll like the UI changes they've made
[19-Oct-2010 16:58:59] <rmatte> The UI is fine as long as you're not trying to copy templates
[19-Oct-2010 17:02:50] <xuru> anyone setup ODBC for mysql?
[19-Oct-2010 17:04:09] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: i just realized how much templates kinda sucked in 3
[19-Oct-2010 17:04:33] <rmatte> they blow in 3
[19-Oct-2010 17:04:35] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 17:04:48] <rmatte> well, actually editing them isn't that bad
[19-Oct-2010 17:04:57] <rmatte> but doing any sort of copying or template creation is a nightmare
[19-Oct-2010 17:05:02] <rmatte> especially at the root /Devices level
[19-Oct-2010 17:05:11] <rmatte> it's basically impossible to create or copy templates there
[19-Oct-2010 17:05:18] <rmatte> every time I try zenoss jams up and I have to restart it
[19-Oct-2010 17:05:19] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 17:05:57] <rmatte> and whoever had the idea of naming the paths in the dropdown as: "Path" in /Path/Path is out of their minds
[19-Oct-2010 17:06:19] <rmatte> It should just be /Path/Path/Path
[19-Oct-2010 17:13:22] <kobalt> today I applyed 18990 to my zenoss 2.5.2 and now after that when I model a device I get the following traceback error
[19-Oct-2010 17:13:23] <kobalt> http://pastebin.com/WqKjFvXd
[19-Oct-2010 17:13:40] <kobalt> any Ideas on what is causing it
[19-Oct-2010 17:15:19] <rmatte> what is that patch for?
[19-Oct-2010 17:15:30] <kobalt> Zencommand Memory leak
[19-Oct-2010 17:15:44] <kobalt> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/6406
[19-Oct-2010 17:16:59] <rmatte> not sure, your best bet would be to try and talk to bedwards about it
[19-Oct-2010 17:17:13] <rmatte> that patch may not have been compatible with 2.5.2
[19-Oct-2010 17:17:45] <kobalt> the entry it was created for was 2.5.2
[19-Oct-2010 17:18:01] <kobalt> with a release target of 2.5.3
[19-Oct-2010 17:18:28] <rmatte> right, 2.5.2 never existed, so it might have been done against the early 3.0 codebase
[19-Oct-2010 17:18:36] <rmatte> which uses python 2.6 instead of 2.4
[19-Oct-2010 17:18:40] <rmatte> just saying, it's a possibility
[19-Oct-2010 17:18:50] <kobalt> 2.5.2 never existed?
[19-Oct-2010 17:18:53] <rmatte> erm, I meant to say 2.5.3 never existed
[19-Oct-2010 17:18:56] <rmatte> typo
[19-Oct-2010 17:18:57] <kobalt> ok
[19-Oct-2010 17:19:27] <kobalt> everything seems to be running fine I just noticed it when I did a manual model
[19-Oct-2010 17:19:33] <rmatte> post on the forums and see if mray can get bedwards to take a look at it
[19-Oct-2010 17:19:54] <cgibbons> yeah that change was only put into the trunk for the 3.0 release
[19-Oct-2010 17:20:12] <rmatte> yeh, that's what I figured
[19-Oct-2010 17:20:19] <cgibbons> but looks harmless, nothing 3.0 specific
[19-Oct-2010 17:21:07] <rmatte> yeh, but he might have done something that plays nice in python 2.6 but not in 2.4
[19-Oct-2010 17:21:14] * rmatte shrugs
[19-Oct-2010 17:22:10] <rmatte> It's funny that it's a traceback about traceback.py
[19-Oct-2010 17:23:34] <kobalt> I was having issues with my database size on mysql so I nuked it and reset the database settings today, that would not be related tho
[19-Oct-2010 17:24:28] <kobalt> have not figured out how to read these yet where do you see its about traceback.py
[19-Oct-2010 17:25:06] <kobalt> the last call line
[19-Oct-2010 17:25:07] <kobalt> >
[19-Oct-2010 17:25:08] <kobalt> ?
[19-Oct-2010 17:25:43] <rmatte> yes, the last call
[19-Oct-2010 17:25:54] <rmatte> a traceback just traces back through all of the functions that were called
[19-Oct-2010 17:26:01] <rmatte> the last function called is where the problem is
[19-Oct-2010 17:26:20] <rmatte> basically it bounced through all of the functions up to that point and then got caught up there
[19-Oct-2010 17:26:27] <rmatte> of course, the issue can originate from higher up
[19-Oct-2010 17:26:35] <rmatte> but it gives you a starting point to troubleshoot when coding
[19-Oct-2010 17:27:51] <kobalt> funny thing is if I model with the cli it gives no errors
[19-Oct-2010 17:28:42] <rmatte> odd
[19-Oct-2010 17:29:05] <rmatte> zencommand is probably used in some way when modeling from the UI
[19-Oct-2010 17:29:20] <cgibbons> directly in fact
[19-Oct-2010 17:29:32] <cgibbons> er zenmodeler  not zencommand
[19-Oct-2010 17:29:52] <kobalt> here is the cli run http://pastebin.com/MPKu2XHT
[19-Oct-2010 17:40:43] <xuru> anyone use community.odbc.MySqlDatabaseMap?
[19-Oct-2010 17:46:06] <willwh> howdy guys
[19-Oct-2010 17:46:17] <willwh> xuru: not yet butI plan to give some kind of mysql monitoring a whirl 
[19-Oct-2010 17:46:35] <willwh> excuse a noob, but, where do I change the device template associated device in 3.*?
[19-Oct-2010 17:46:58] <xuru> willwh: cool, I'll let you know what I find out
[19-Oct-2010 17:48:54] <rmatte> willwh: you mean template bindings?
[19-Oct-2010 17:49:50] <willwh> yeah I guess so
[19-Oct-2010 17:50:03] <willwh> I just fired up the latest zenoss on my home server here for kicks
[19-Oct-2010 17:50:03] <rmatte> willwh: it's simple, go to the device page for that device, then in the bottom left you'll see 3 menus
[19-Oct-2010 17:50:06] <rmatte> click on the middle one
[19-Oct-2010 17:50:13] <rmatte> and select Bind Templates
[19-Oct-2010 17:50:18] <willwh> ofc I had some extras bits and pieces in my /etc/hosts and it threw a bit of a wobbly
[19-Oct-2010 17:50:25] <willwh> ah nice ok
[19-Oct-2010 17:50:33] <willwh> got all that sorted and moving onward
[19-Oct-2010 17:50:39] <rmatte> cool
[19-Oct-2010 17:50:39] <willwh> but wow - quite a different interface
[19-Oct-2010 17:50:47] <rmatte> not really, it's just re-arranged
[19-Oct-2010 17:50:53] <willwh> and I notice - buggy as all hell in chrome
[19-Oct-2010 17:50:54] <rmatte> the majority of the screens are identical
[19-Oct-2010 17:51:08] <willwh> I remember that being elsehwre
[19-Oct-2010 17:51:09] <rmatte> It's buggy in general, but Chrome isn't really a fully supported browser
[19-Oct-2010 17:51:10] <bigegor> xuru: you have a problem with community.odbc.MySqlDatabaseMap?
[19-Oct-2010 17:51:13] <willwh> I am clearly losing it 
[19-Oct-2010 17:51:14] <rmatte> firefox is the way to go
[19-Oct-2010 17:51:30] <willwh> yeah, I am doing so
[19-Oct-2010 17:51:43] <willwh> it's just a shame, I've totally ditched it for chrome (my other lover)
[19-Oct-2010 17:51:47] <xuru> bigegor: oh, I guess that one is yours too 
[19-Oct-2010 17:52:23] <xuru> bigegor: for some reason, setting the zMySqlUsername and zMySqlPassword doesn't work
[19-Oct-2010 17:52:29] <xuru> I get access denied
[19-Oct-2010 17:52:42] <xuru> however, if I put it in the UID= and PWD= it works fine
[19-Oct-2010 17:53:45] <xuru> bigegor: I love the plugins btw 
[19-Oct-2010 17:54:07] <bigegor> you can set UID=${here/zMySqlUsername}
[19-Oct-2010 17:54:35] <rmatte> xuru: I can't ditch firefox until there's a greasemonkey and firebug equivalent for chrome
[19-Oct-2010 17:54:50] <xuru> I'll see if that works, but it should
[19-Oct-2010 17:54:55] <xuru> rmatte: ?
[19-Oct-2010 17:55:06] <xuru> 
[19-Oct-2010 17:55:50] <rmatte> they are plugins for firefox that I use all the time
[19-Oct-2010 17:56:01] <rmatte> firebug is for troubleshooting problems with code
[19-Oct-2010 17:56:15] <rmatte> and greasemonkey allows you to run cool scripts that do different things...
[19-Oct-2010 17:56:24] <xuru> rmatte: yeah, but you were talking with willwh not me 
[19-Oct-2010 17:56:37] <rmatte> for instance I have one where I can hold down the mouse button on 1 checkbox, and then drag it along the rest of the checkboxes and it checks all of them
[19-Oct-2010 17:56:37] <xuru> and I use those all the time too 
[19-Oct-2010 17:56:52] <rmatte> ah true
[19-Oct-2010 17:57:00] <xuru> rmatte: that's pretty slick
[19-Oct-2010 17:57:04] <rmatte> I'm tired, losing track hehe
[19-Oct-2010 17:57:23] <xuru> hehe, np
[19-Oct-2010 17:57:38] <xuru> man, finally done with my report
[19-Oct-2010 17:57:55] <cgibbons> mmm reports
[19-Oct-2010 17:58:23] <xuru> it lists all servers with SQL servers and the databases in them (MS and MySql)
[19-Oct-2010 17:58:45] <xuru> takes forever to run though
[19-Oct-2010 17:59:48] <rmatte> xuru: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/73700
[19-Oct-2010 17:59:56] <rmatte> that's the checkbox script for greasemonkey
[19-Oct-2010 18:00:00] <rmatte> in case you're interested
[19-Oct-2010 18:00:15] <xuru> yeah, nice, thanks
[19-Oct-2010 18:00:19] <rmatte> np
[19-Oct-2010 18:07:00] <willwh> rmatte: huh, I don
[19-Oct-2010 18:07:00] <willwh> 't
[19-Oct-2010 18:07:06] <willwh> have anything available in my bind templates
[19-Oct-2010 18:07:07] <willwh> how odd
[19-Oct-2010 18:07:32] <rmatte> then there are no templates available to the class that the device is in.
[19-Oct-2010 18:07:35] <willwh> in selected I have Device(/Devices)
[19-Oct-2010 18:07:44] <rmatte> yeh, which is the default
[19-Oct-2010 18:07:48] <willwh> gotcha
[19-Oct-2010 18:08:14] <rmatte> you'll have to get more templates by creating them or by installing ZenPacks
[19-Oct-2010 18:09:41] <rmatte> man, I wish I could go back in time and set up my Zenoss instances from scratch with what I know now
[19-Oct-2010 18:09:47] <rmatte> It would be so much cleaner
[19-Oct-2010 18:09:47] <rmatte> lol
[19-Oct-2010 18:14:36] <cgibbons> that would make a good blog post
[19-Oct-2010 18:14:56] <imeyer> rmatte: i feel like doing things over too
[19-Oct-2010 18:15:01] <imeyer> i've started over three times
[19-Oct-2010 18:15:05] <imeyer> and i like the set up i have now
[19-Oct-2010 18:16:03] <willwh> should I be getting confirmation on installing a zenpack?
[19-Oct-2010 18:17:09] <willwh> after installing the mysqld zenpack - I didn't get any confirmation, and nothing in  my loaded zenpacks list
[19-Oct-2010 18:17:12] <willwh> hrm
[19-Oct-2010 18:26:19] <xuru> later everyeon
[19-Oct-2010 18:38:23] <willwh> rmatte: you still here?
[19-Oct-2010 18:55:03] <willwh> 
[19-Oct-2010 18:55:05] <willwh> all sorted
[19-Oct-2010 18:55:48] <willwh> bigegor: you aorund?
[19-Oct-2010 18:55:57] <bigegor> yes
[19-Oct-2010 18:56:10] <willwh> I have the dependency for your mysql zenpack (sqldatasource) installed no problems
[19-Oct-2010 18:56:20] <willwh> but I get nothing when trying to install
[19-Oct-2010 18:56:25] <willwh> I should do from the cli
[19-Oct-2010 18:56:54] <willwh> is it still just; zenpack --install <filename> ?
[19-Oct-2010 18:56:57] <willwh> in zenoss 3.0?
[19-Oct-2010 18:57:12] <bigegor> yes
[19-Oct-2010 18:57:29] <willwh> hmm, I installed from the .deb
[19-Oct-2010 18:57:32] <willwh> I don't have that in path
[19-Oct-2010 18:57:34] <bigegor> why not to use GUI?
[19-Oct-2010 18:57:35] <willwh> or an alias or anything
[19-Oct-2010 18:57:40] <willwh> well I tried the GUI
[19-Oct-2010 18:57:43] <willwh> I get no output
[19-Oct-2010 18:57:44] <willwh> at all
[19-Oct-2010 18:57:50] <willwh> when I try to install your zenpack
[19-Oct-2010 18:58:11] <willwh> tyring to install v3.0
[19-Oct-2010 18:58:32] <bigegor> zenoss restart
[19-Oct-2010 18:58:42] <bigegor> zenpack --list
[19-Oct-2010 18:59:24] <willwh> mmm, like I say, I can't do that
[19-Oct-2010 18:59:33] <willwh> I'm running on ubuntu, so I do, service zenoss-stack restart
[19-Oct-2010 19:00:08] <bigegor> su zenoss
[19-Oct-2010 19:00:24] <willwh> ah 
[19-Oct-2010 19:00:52] <bigegor> you must install all zenpacks as zenoss user
[19-Oct-2010 19:01:12] <willwh> ye I've only tried installing yours through the GUI
[19-Oct-2010 19:01:17] <willwh> I did not install the dependancy first
[19-Oct-2010 19:01:23] <willwh> which is probably why I am now having problems
[19-Oct-2010 19:02:38] <bigegor> can be
[19-Oct-2010 19:03:01] <willwh> and the zenoss user pw, I set that on install
[19-Oct-2010 19:03:08] <willwh> the "admin" p.w they ask for
[19-Oct-2010 19:04:02] <bigegor> MySqlMon_ODBC depend also on deviceAvdDetails and RDBMS ZenPacks
[19-Oct-2010 19:04:32] <willwh> ah, ok
[19-Oct-2010 19:05:38] <willwh> docs/DOC-3388
[19-Oct-2010 19:05:45] <willwh> not listed on the page for that zenpack
[19-Oct-2010 19:06:14] <willwh> ZenPack Dependencies: SQL Data Source
[19-Oct-2010 19:08:36] <willwh> I see now though
[19-Oct-2010 19:08:53] <willwh> rdbms req's adv device details
[19-Oct-2010 19:08:54] <willwh> etc
[19-Oct-2010 19:09:37] <bigegor> hmm, sorry my bad
[19-Oct-2010 19:09:49] <willwh> not your fault 
[19-Oct-2010 19:10:05] <willwh> it just might be useful to say on the Mysql zenpack - all required dependencies
[19-Oct-2010 19:16:23] <willwh> it just might be useful to say on the Mysql zenpack - all required dependencies
[19-Oct-2010 19:16:26] <willwh> wups 
[19-Oct-2010 19:16:40] <willwh> zopectl restart 
[19-Oct-2010 19:22:16] <bigegor> you must restart zenoss, is you restarts only zeoctl new daemons will not start.
[19-Oct-2010 19:24:14] <willwh> ok
[19-Oct-2010 19:24:28] <willwh> and I set the zProps for each server I need to monitor
[19-Oct-2010 19:26:20] <willwh> I just need to spend some more time reading 
[19-Oct-2010 19:26:28] <willwh> I'll perhaps come back with questions, thx for your time!
[19-Oct-2010 19:27:05] <bigegor> np
[19-Oct-2010 19:27:18] <willwh> hmm
[19-Oct-2010 19:27:21] <willwh> am I being blind?
[19-Oct-2010 19:27:28] <willwh> where is zProperties now?
[19-Oct-2010 19:27:32] <willwh> or the "more" menu 
[19-Oct-2010 19:32:18] <willwh> ah, is just called "configuration properties"
[19-Oct-2010 19:32:19] <willwh> 
[19-Oct-2010 19:41:21] <k7_> Hi, I keep getting "Test failed: - [Errno -2] Name or service not known"
[19-Oct-2010 19:41:31] <k7_> when testing user e-mails
[19-Oct-2010 19:41:41] <willwh> hi k7_ 
[19-Oct-2010 19:41:50] <willwh> I'm just a regular lurker, I can try and help though
[19-Oct-2010 19:42:00] <willwh> you configured SMTP
[19-Oct-2010 19:42:04] <k7_> ah, thanks
[19-Oct-2010 19:42:11] <willwh> it is a local relay or remote smtp?
[19-Oct-2010 19:42:12] <k7_> yes gmail + smtp
[19-Oct-2010 19:42:42] <willwh> ah, I have not tried to use gmail smtp
[19-Oct-2010 19:43:06] <willwh> let me see
[19-Oct-2010 19:43:52] <willwh> so you have port / TLS etc configured correctly?
[19-Oct-2010 19:43:59] <willwh> let me see if I can test this on my own install
[19-Oct-2010 19:44:03] <willwh> you are using Zenoss 3.0.2?
[19-Oct-2010 19:44:17] <k7_> yeah zenoss 3.0.2
[19-Oct-2010 19:44:35] <k7_> followed instruction from google support
[19-Oct-2010 19:44:36] <k7_> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13287
[19-Oct-2010 19:45:50] <k7_> using TLS and port 587
[19-Oct-2010 19:46:21] <k7_> too bad I can't search the source code from withing Trac
[19-Oct-2010 19:47:25] <willwh> mm, well, I just sent a test email
[19-Oct-2010 19:47:41] <willwh> where did you get your error info?
[19-Oct-2010 19:48:07] <k7_> every time I click test
[19-Oct-2010 19:48:32] <k7_> settings -> users -> list -> test
[19-Oct-2010 19:48:36] <willwh> interesting
[19-Oct-2010 19:48:39] <willwh> it worked for me no problem
[19-Oct-2010 19:48:43] <willwh> I have my test e-mail.
[19-Oct-2010 19:48:51] <k7_> wow, ok
[19-Oct-2010 19:48:53] <willwh> username; user@gmail.com
[19-Oct-2010 19:49:30] <willwh> also - make sure that your from address email is the same (I haven't tried with them different)
[19-Oct-2010 19:49:45] <willwh> and use TLS is checked
[19-Oct-2010 19:51:41] <k7_> I had a slightly different from address address+zenoss@domain
[19-Oct-2010 19:51:50] <k7_> I changed that to address@domain
[19-Oct-2010 19:52:41] <k7_> and yeah, I have TLS checked on port 587
[19-Oct-2010 19:52:46] <k7_> testing again now
[19-Oct-2010 19:53:06] <willwh> :>
[19-Oct-2010 19:53:22] <willwh> let me know how you go
[19-Oct-2010 19:53:33] <willwh> be nice if we could use a different from email and have it deliver successfully
[19-Oct-2010 19:54:31] <k7_> nah, that didn't help
[19-Oct-2010 19:54:36] <k7_> still the same error
[19-Oct-2010 19:54:42] <willwh> hrm
[19-Oct-2010 19:54:56] <willwh> try with your gmail address in the from email field then
[19-Oct-2010 19:55:15] <k7_> ok, trying that
[19-Oct-2010 19:55:44] <k7_> that too doesn;t work
[19-Oct-2010 19:55:53] <k7_> trying a different smtp user/pass
[19-Oct-2010 19:57:48] <k7_> taht too doesn't work
[19-Oct-2010 19:58:05] <willwh> well that is very strange.
[19-Oct-2010 19:58:13] <willwh> is this a brand new install?
[19-Oct-2010 19:58:22] <willwh> I set the one up I tested with today
[19-Oct-2010 19:58:34] <k7_> yeah, I too set it up yesterday
[19-Oct-2010 19:58:52] <willwh> I run a 2.5* deploy at work
[19-Oct-2010 19:58:58] <willwh> I am just testing 3 on my LAN at home 
[19-Oct-2010 19:59:31] <k7_> not bad 
[19-Oct-2010 19:59:47] <willwh> that's odd - so have you installed any extra zenpacks?
[19-Oct-2010 19:59:51] <willwh> or restarted zenoss?
[19-Oct-2010 20:00:08] <willwh> I have installed zenpacks, so ended up restarting zenoss a couple of times
[19-Oct-2010 20:00:27] <k7_> I don't know if I have installed anything extra...I downloaded the deb from the site yesterday
[19-Oct-2010 20:00:31] <willwh> there is a probably a little more verbose output though
[19-Oct-2010 20:00:34] <willwh> for your error
[19-Oct-2010 20:00:42] <willwh> somewhere... 
[19-Oct-2010 20:00:48] <willwh> just a case of finding it
[19-Oct-2010 20:00:58] <k7_> ah, yeah
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[19-Oct-2010 20:02:57] <k7_> Setting -> Daemons -> logs
[19-Oct-2010 20:03:02] <k7_> checking those
[19-Oct-2010 20:06:02] <k7_> there are a few entries in the zenactions log
[19-Oct-2010 20:06:39] <k7_> 2010-10-20 11:04:41,389 INFO zen.ZenActions: rule '1' failed to send email to [myemailaddress]: [zenoss] 192.168.1.24 localhost zenactions heartbeat failure <class 'socket.gaierror'> - [Errno -2] Name or service not known
[19-Oct-2010 20:08:33] <willwh> huh
[19-Oct-2010 20:08:37] <willwh> odd
[19-Oct-2010 20:08:57] <willwh> it does seem that the deb install on a recent-ish ubuntu install
[19-Oct-2010 20:09:05] <willwh> there are some conflicts with the ipv6 address in /etc/hosts
[19-Oct-2010 20:09:16] <willwh> (I also had some custom stuff in there was causing probs when I installed)
[19-Oct-2010 20:11:10] <k7_> I don't have custome ipv6 stuff in the hosts file
[19-Oct-2010 20:11:17] <k7_> ipv4 yes
[19-Oct-2010 20:11:22] <k7_> and I am running Ubuntu 9.10 \n \l
[19-Oct-2010 20:12:21] <k7_> actually, there are some default ipv6 stuff
[19-Oct-2010 20:12:23] <k7_> # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
[19-Oct-2010 20:12:23] <k7_> ::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
[19-Oct-2010 20:12:23] <k7_> fe00::0 ip6-localnet
[19-Oct-2010 20:12:23] <k7_> ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
[19-Oct-2010 20:12:23] <k7_> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
[19-Oct-2010 20:12:26] <k7_> ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
[19-Oct-2010 20:12:28] <k7_> ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
[19-Oct-2010 20:13:44] <willwh> that shouldn't be affecting your mail though
[19-Oct-2010 20:13:48] <willwh> sorry - total tangent
[19-Oct-2010 20:42:51] <ashp> Anyone here know if the mysql pack can pick up replication stats of any kind?
[19-Oct-2010 20:42:56] <ashp> so I can spot if mysql replication flails out?
[19-Oct-2010 20:44:24] <ashp> Only thing I can find is a .py script from 2 years ago..
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[20-Oct-2010 08:13:16] <jmp242> Any idea what, if anything I should do with zenhub logs like
[20-Oct-2010 08:13:17] <jmp242> INFO zen.Relations: Ignoring unresolvable object '<persistent broken Products.ApacheMonitor.datasources.ApacheMonitorDataSource.ApacheMonitorDataSource instance '\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\xfa\x00'>'
[20-Oct-2010 09:08:03] <rmatte> jmp242: try a reindex, if that doesn't fix it, then I'd say reinstall that ZenPack
[20-Oct-2010 09:11:49] <jmp242> I've been trying actually.
[20-Oct-2010 09:11:58] <jmp242> I can't get it to uninstall ...
[20-Oct-2010 09:12:10] <rmatte> what error are you getting?
[20-Oct-2010 09:12:22] <jmp242> thread/14776?tstart=0
[20-Oct-2010 09:12:30] <jmp242> I posted there with all the details I have
[20-Oct-2010 09:13:22] <rmatte> hmm
[20-Oct-2010 09:13:36] <rmatte> you've tried just installing the pack again without removing it?
[20-Oct-2010 09:13:59] <jmp242> I've tried installing the newer version for 3.0 - that didn't do anything
[20-Oct-2010 09:14:11] <jmp242> but I haven't tried the old version (will 3.0 even let me try)?
[20-Oct-2010 09:14:25] <jmp242> I am trying the reindex though
[20-Oct-2010 09:14:30] <rmatte> yes it will, just remove -py2.6 from the filename
[20-Oct-2010 09:14:44] <rmatte> or sorry, remove py2.4 from the filename
[20-Oct-2010 09:14:46] <rmatte> rather
[20-Oct-2010 09:15:31] <jmp242> ok
[20-Oct-2010 09:15:41] <jmp242> I'm going to wait for the reindex to finish though, then try that
[20-Oct-2010 09:15:51] <rmatte> yup
[20-Oct-2010 09:17:00] <jmp242> From the forum posts, (and now my experience ) - Zenoss really ought to have a way to force kill (kill -9 lol) a zenpack. Or at least something that can't get as screwed up as often as it does.
[20-Oct-2010 09:17:52] <rmatte> it basically just uses easy_install
[20-Oct-2010 09:17:52] <Sam-I-Am> moooo.
[20-Oct-2010 09:18:45] <jmp242> Hmm, well - that didn't seem to help much, though I'm not sure exactly how to tell - when I click on the zenpack, I still get an error
[20-Oct-2010 09:18:56] <jmp242> (in the zenpacks area of the GUI): Type:
[20-Oct-2010 09:18:57] <jmp242> Value: list.index(x): x not in list
[20-Oct-2010 09:19:09] <jmp242> but I'm not sure it should work with the older version . . .
[20-Oct-2010 09:19:18] <rmatte> restart zenoss
[20-Oct-2010 09:19:53] <jmp242> good idea
[20-Oct-2010 09:20:05] <rmatte> you should try installing the older version, then removing it
[20-Oct-2010 09:24:42] <jmp242> Ok, so after the restart I should try the install of the older version again? or try removing it first?
[20-Oct-2010 09:25:15] <rmatte> try installing the old version
[20-Oct-2010 09:25:22] <rmatte> remove the -py2.4 from the filename if it's there
[20-Oct-2010 09:25:32] <rmatte> then after it's installed restart zenoss
[20-Oct-2010 09:25:35] <rmatte> and then try removing it
[20-Oct-2010 09:28:36] <jmp242> ho - using the command line is better than the GUI when stuff is bad
[20-Oct-2010 09:29:15] <jmp242> so http://pastebin.com/x61ZcGBM
[20-Oct-2010 09:29:24] <jmp242> is what I get when I try and install the zenpack at the command line
[20-Oct-2010 09:29:33] <jmp242> the old one
[20-Oct-2010 09:29:37] <jmp242> after a reboot
[20-Oct-2010 09:29:42] <rmatte> I never use the GUI to install ZenPacks
[20-Oct-2010 09:29:46] <jmp242> err restart
[20-Oct-2010 09:30:00] <jmp242> It's convenient when it works
[20-Oct-2010 09:30:12] <rmatte> try to install the new one then
[20-Oct-2010 09:30:17] <jmp242> ok
[20-Oct-2010 09:31:33] <jmp242> looks like the same error
[20-Oct-2010 09:32:55] <rmatte> I know one way to remove it, but it probably won't fix the problem
[20-Oct-2010 09:33:08] <rmatte> easy_install --site-dirs=$ZENHOME/ZenPacks -d $ZENHOME/ZenPacks/<ZenPackDirectory>
[20-Oct-2010 09:33:11] <rmatte> worth a shot
[20-Oct-2010 09:33:31] <jmp242> I should do this at zendmd command line or bash command line
[20-Oct-2010 09:33:33] <Parabola|Work> morning
[20-Oct-2010 09:33:34] <jmp242> or somewhere else?
[20-Oct-2010 09:33:53] <rmatte> bash
[20-Oct-2010 09:33:57] <rmatte> as the zenoss user
[20-Oct-2010 09:34:07] <jmp242> AttributeError: 'ApacheMonitorDataSource' object has no attribute '__of__'
[20-Oct-2010 09:34:15] <jmp242> THat does seem to be the problem
[20-Oct-2010 09:34:21] <jmp242> so I also am not sure this will help
[20-Oct-2010 09:34:22] <rmatte> yes
[20-Oct-2010 09:34:26] <jmp242> is that something in ZOPE then?
[20-Oct-2010 09:34:29] <rmatte> yes
[20-Oct-2010 09:34:36] <rmatte> have you tried the easy_install?
[20-Oct-2010 09:34:42] <jmp242> not yet
[20-Oct-2010 09:34:49] <jmp242> I was just trying to understand what's going on
[20-Oct-2010 09:35:26] <rmatte> a function is trying to query an attribute that ApacheMonitorDataSource should have in Zope, but for whatever reason is missing
[20-Oct-2010 09:35:32] <rmatte> so it's barfing
[20-Oct-2010 09:36:05] <jmp242> Hey, looking in $ZENHOME/ZenPacks it's interesting:
[20-Oct-2010 09:36:08] <jmp242> I have folders for
[20-Oct-2010 09:36:16] <jmp242> ZenPacks.zenoss.ApacheMonitor-2.1.0.egg
[20-Oct-2010 09:36:16] <jmp242> ZenPacks.zenoss.ApacheMonitor-2.1.0-py2.4.egg
[20-Oct-2010 09:36:16] <jmp242> ZenPacks.zenoss.ApacheMonitor-2.1.2-py2.6.egg
[20-Oct-2010 09:36:28] <jmp242> That seems strange also
[20-Oct-2010 09:36:42] <Sam-I-Am> you might need to delete the dir with -py2.6
[20-Oct-2010 09:36:46] <Sam-I-Am> or at least the 'incorrect' ones
[20-Oct-2010 09:37:11] <rmatte> I'd move the directories out of the folder
[20-Oct-2010 09:37:20] <rmatte> and then move them back in 1 at a time
[20-Oct-2010 09:37:26] <rmatte> to see if 1 of them behaves properly
[20-Oct-2010 09:37:45] <jmp242> for the uninstall? (i.e. before using the easy_install)
[20-Oct-2010 09:37:53] <rmatte> no, try easy_install first
[20-Oct-2010 09:38:00] <jmp242> ok, doing that now
[20-Oct-2010 09:38:02] <rmatte> and take not of which directory vanishes (if any)
[20-Oct-2010 09:38:07] <rmatte> note*
[20-Oct-2010 09:38:18] <chachan> morning guys
[20-Oct-2010 09:38:20] <rmatte> actually, you can do the easyinstall for each of those directories
[20-Oct-2010 09:38:25] <jmp242> ok
[20-Oct-2010 09:39:28] <jmp242> Should I do this with Zenoss running or off?
[20-Oct-2010 09:39:40] <rmatte> it has to be running
[20-Oct-2010 09:41:02] <jmp242> Well, that didn't work well for the first directory, see:
[20-Oct-2010 09:41:03] <jmp242> http://pastebin.com/g8F4ppqs
[20-Oct-2010 09:41:49] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: do you tend to delete core/enterprise zenpacks you're not using?
[20-Oct-2010 09:41:56] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: they seem to clutter things up a bit
[20-Oct-2010 09:42:28] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: as a rule of thumb, yes
[20-Oct-2010 09:42:54] <jmp242> Heck, I only install the zenpacks I'm using - just because of issues like I'm fighting
[20-Oct-2010 09:43:13] <Sam-I-Am> i guess if i need to reinstall individual ones from the original rpm, i can just unpack the rpm and install the egg right?
[20-Oct-2010 09:43:47] <rmatte> jmp242: odd, I've never seen that message before when doing that
[20-Oct-2010 09:44:04] <rmatte> jmp242: at this point I'd need to go hands on to troubleshoot
[20-Oct-2010 09:44:09] <jmp242> I think
[20-Oct-2010 09:44:14] <rmatte> no point in just guessing off the top of my head
[20-Oct-2010 09:44:16] <jmp242> there may be a mismatch with the path
[20-Oct-2010 09:44:21] <jmp242> which python gives
[20-Oct-2010 09:44:27] <jmp242> /opt/zenoss/bin/python
[20-Oct-2010 09:44:38] <jmp242> PYTHONPATH is '/opt/zenoss/lib/python'
[20-Oct-2010 09:44:47] <jmp242> I wonder if that changed in one of the updates
[20-Oct-2010 09:44:49] <Sam-I-Am> are you the zenoss user when installing these?
[20-Oct-2010 09:44:55] <jmp242> yes
[20-Oct-2010 09:45:00] <Sam-I-Am> and have to logged out/logged back in as it?
[20-Oct-2010 09:45:05] <Sam-I-Am> (if any path stuff changed)
[20-Oct-2010 09:45:11] <Sam-I-Am> s/to/you
[20-Oct-2010 09:45:19] <jmp242> that's interesting, I'm not sure I have - let me try
[20-Oct-2010 09:45:43] <jmp242> tried, same issue
[20-Oct-2010 09:45:50] <jmp242> but should I manually change PYTHONPATH?
[20-Oct-2010 09:46:16] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm
[20-Oct-2010 09:46:19] <rmatte> that pythonpath should be correct
[20-Oct-2010 09:46:33] <rmatte> Zenoss uses it's own python environment instead of the system environment
[20-Oct-2010 09:46:51] <Sam-I-Am> my python path as the zenoss user is /opt/zenoss/lib/python
[20-Oct-2010 09:47:39] <jmp242> I'll have to check with my Linux SysAdmin
[20-Oct-2010 09:47:45] <rmatte> ?
[20-Oct-2010 09:48:01] <jmp242> about the python
[20-Oct-2010 09:48:09] <jmp242> I would expect though that Zenoss sets that up itself
[20-Oct-2010 09:48:17] <rmatte> It does
[20-Oct-2010 09:48:25] <rmatte> echo $PYTHONPATH
[20-Oct-2010 09:48:34] <rmatte> /usr/local/zenoss/python/lib/python2.4/site-packages:/usr/local/zenoss/common/lib:/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/lib/python:/usr/local/zenoss/python/lib:
[20-Oct-2010 09:48:37] <rmatte> that's mine
[20-Oct-2010 09:48:46] <Sam-I-Am> jmp242: are you trying to install the -2.4 version now?
[20-Oct-2010 09:48:47] <jmp242> Mine is just
[20-Oct-2010 09:48:47] <jmp242> /opt/zenoss/lib/python
[20-Oct-2010 09:49:06] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: he's getting an attribute error when trying to do anything with the installed pack
[20-Oct-2010 09:49:20] <rmatte> I've seen this before and I've never seen it fully fixed
[20-Oct-2010 09:49:31] <Sam-I-Am> ahh
[20-Oct-2010 09:49:38] <rmatte> then again I've never experienced it firsthand, otherwise I would have found a fix for it
[20-Oct-2010 09:49:44] <rmatte> it's much easier to work on something directly
[20-Oct-2010 09:49:48] <jmp242> Strange that I've got it with a zenoss core zenpack...
[20-Oct-2010 09:50:00] <rmatte> how is that strange?
[20-Oct-2010 09:50:14] <jmp242> rmatte, I may be able to get you a login if you're willing to look at it - I certainlty would be grateful
[20-Oct-2010 09:50:25] <jmp242> I would have expected it with a community zenpack
[20-Oct-2010 09:50:37] <jmp242> i.e. by someone who doesn't have as much experiance with the system
[20-Oct-2010 09:51:26] <rmatte> honestly, had you removed the pack prior to the upgrade you'd probably be fine lol
[20-Oct-2010 09:51:48] <jmp242> Had I known it was broken I would have
[20-Oct-2010 09:52:00] <jmp242> as I did remove several 'problem' zenpacks before the upgrade
[20-Oct-2010 09:52:11] <rmatte> I'm strapped for time today, so I wouldn't be able to spend much time troubleshooting it
[20-Oct-2010 09:52:22] <rmatte> If you see a dev online you can ask them
[20-Oct-2010 09:52:44] <jmp242> sure - I'm not really in a big hurry - 95% of Zenoss seems to be working fine
[20-Oct-2010 09:53:04] <jmp242> and a whole re-install would be a pain (I was planning for it, but also dreading it)
[20-Oct-2010 09:53:17] <jmp242> brb
[20-Oct-2010 09:56:40] <forsberg> im still suffering from my reinstall over a 1 year ago! must.... not .... break!
[20-Oct-2010 09:56:45] <rmatte> lol
[20-Oct-2010 09:56:46] <forsberg> im never updating or installing zenpacks again
[20-Oct-2010 09:56:47] <forsberg> 
[20-Oct-2010 09:57:03] <rmatte> reinstalls are never an option for me
[20-Oct-2010 09:57:08] <rmatte> if I have a problem I figure it out
[20-Oct-2010 09:57:09] <rmatte> lol
[20-Oct-2010 09:57:30] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: do you know how ipservice checks udp ports?  e.g., dns on 53
[20-Oct-2010 09:57:47] <forsberg> it doesnt
[20-Oct-2010 09:57:56] <Sam-I-Am> it only checks the tcp side?
[20-Oct-2010 09:58:05] <forsberg> it makes a dns question and checks if it gets answer
[20-Oct-2010 09:58:15] <Sam-I-Am> oh. hmm.
[20-Oct-2010 09:58:25] <Sam-I-Am> had a strange dns failure the other night which zenoss didnt detect
[20-Oct-2010 09:58:33] <Sam-I-Am> ports were open, no one was home.
[20-Oct-2010 09:58:36] <rmatte> well, did port 53 actually go down?
[20-Oct-2010 09:58:43] <rmatte> I see
[20-Oct-2010 09:58:51] <Sam-I-Am> so it was not responding to queries
[20-Oct-2010 09:59:07] <rmatte> the named process didn't fail?
[20-Oct-2010 09:59:10] <Sam-I-Am> nope
[20-Oct-2010 09:59:14] <Sam-I-Am> it just hung
[20-Oct-2010 09:59:18] <rmatte> weird, I've never seen that before
[20-Oct-2010 10:00:07] <Sam-I-Am> apparently we dove head first into full dnssec a few months ago and the version is a bit... unstable.
[20-Oct-2010 10:00:12] <Sam-I-Am> it dies in new and interesting ways
[20-Oct-2010 10:00:18] <forsberg> :)=
[20-Oct-2010 10:00:19] <Sam-I-Am> however running a query would detect most failures
[20-Oct-2010 10:00:55] <st3v3o> morning
[20-Oct-2010 10:00:57] <forsberg> ZenPacks.zenoss.DnsMonitor
[20-Oct-2010 10:01:01] <forsberg> isnt it was the core pack does ?
[20-Oct-2010 10:01:03] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[20-Oct-2010 10:01:06] <Sam-I-Am> theres also digmonitor
[20-Oct-2010 10:01:12] <Sam-I-Am> ah crap, meeting time.
[20-Oct-2010 10:01:16] <forsberg> hf 
[20-Oct-2010 10:01:24] <forsberg> going home time.
[20-Oct-2010 10:01:57] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[20-Oct-2010 10:04:11] <ericenns> anyone use chrome with lots of tabs, i.e zenoss tabs
[20-Oct-2010 10:05:08] <rmatte> nope, I use firefox with lots of tabs lol
[20-Oct-2010 10:05:36] <ericenns> ok I'm trying to use chrome but then I have unreadable tabs lol
[20-Oct-2010 10:05:55] <rmatte> chrome isn't 100% supported
[20-Oct-2010 10:06:17] <ericenns> rmatte: yeah I know just wondering if anybody used it
[20-Oct-2010 10:06:34] <rmatte> nope, I learned long ago, stick with firefox when it comes to Zenoss
[20-Oct-2010 10:06:35] <rmatte> lol
[20-Oct-2010 10:07:19] <cgibbons> the devs like chrome and try to make it work, but you know how javascript stuff goes...
[20-Oct-2010 10:07:51] <ericenns> yeah javascript and chrome, kinda like us and iraq?
[20-Oct-2010 10:07:52] <rmatte> yeh, there are trac tickets open for chrome issues
[20-Oct-2010 10:09:03] <rmatte> I'm so tired today, I hate 3am changes lol
[20-Oct-2010 10:10:35] <rmatte> I'm going to be designing something to compliment the interface polling method that Chet came up with...
[20-Oct-2010 10:10:44] <rmatte> going to also be polling the LastChange time for interfaces
[20-Oct-2010 10:10:54] <rmatte> so that we'll detect even the quickest resets without needing traps
[20-Oct-2010 10:11:05] <rmatte> I can't wait to see the bombard of alerts lol
[20-Oct-2010 10:11:41] <rmatte> I'm going to write up a guide for it once I get it working.
[20-Oct-2010 10:11:51] <ericenns> Is there a specific way to go about updating someone elses zenpack
[20-Oct-2010 10:12:27] <ericenns> I'm using one zenpack that was made for zenoss 2.5.2 and I'm getting it to work in 3.0.x
[20-Oct-2010 10:13:00] <rmatte> ericenns: ask Matt about that
[20-Oct-2010 10:13:18] <rmatte> In my opinion, you should just be able to append your name after the original author's name and submit it to him
[20-Oct-2010 10:13:25] <rmatte> Original Author, Your Name
[20-Oct-2010 10:13:49] <rmatte> Although you may want to contact the original author to make sure they are ok with that
[20-Oct-2010 10:13:53] <rmatte> just as a courtesy
[20-Oct-2010 10:13:54] <ericenns> ok I will see about that I would prefer to talk to the original author first but haven't seen him on irc for a while
[20-Oct-2010 10:14:05] <rmatte> send him a message on the community site
[20-Oct-2010 10:14:24] <ericenns> guess I could do that but he doesn't seem very active on there
[20-Oct-2010 10:14:26] <rocket> hidy ho neighbor ... 
[20-Oct-2010 10:14:56] <rmatte> ericenns: who is it?
[20-Oct-2010 10:15:09] <ericenns> known as SEJeff
[20-Oct-2010 10:15:13] <ericenns> on irc
[20-Oct-2010 10:15:17] <rmatte> oh yeh, he used to be around a lot
[20-Oct-2010 10:15:20] <rmatte> but not lately
[20-Oct-2010 10:15:27] <rmatte> I think he got a new job or something
[20-Oct-2010 10:15:36] <ericenns> oh that would make sense
[20-Oct-2010 10:16:30] <ericenns> but zenpack devel is on hold for a while for me, gotta do some cluster benchmarking
[20-Oct-2010 10:17:08] <rmatte> fun
[20-Oct-2010 10:18:16] <ericenns> oh yeah
[20-Oct-2010 10:21:32] <rocket> rmatte: your just a slacker!
[20-Oct-2010 10:22:31] <rmatte> lol
[20-Oct-2010 10:22:43] <rmatte> I submitted 3 new ZenPacks to the ZenPack contest 
[20-Oct-2010 10:22:51] <rmatte> plus an update
[20-Oct-2010 10:23:40] <rocket> I am no longer eligible ... plus I have to fix all the tickets you submit .. you jerk! .. 
[20-Oct-2010 10:23:52] <rmatte> I haven't really submitted many lately
[20-Oct-2010 10:24:22] <Sam-I-Am> rocket: you work for zenoss?
[20-Oct-2010 10:24:31] <rmatte> he does now, yeh
[20-Oct-2010 10:24:41] <rocket> yeah i do ..
[20-Oct-2010 10:25:31] <Sam-I-Am> woot
[20-Oct-2010 10:31:01] <jmp242> back
[20-Oct-2010 10:37:29] <rocket> front
[20-Oct-2010 10:37:32] <rocket> 
[20-Oct-2010 10:37:43] <Sam-I-Am> side
[20-Oct-2010 10:37:46] <Parabola|Work> rmatte,  so that box that hit 800 processes..
[20-Oct-2010 10:37:46] <Parabola|Work> i figured out what was broken, but not why
[20-Oct-2010 10:37:46] <Parabola|Work> it was the ispconfig system info page script that runs to generate any issues you may have
[20-Oct-2010 10:38:32] <rmatte> so did you fix it?
[20-Oct-2010 10:58:23] <jmp242> Wow - so e-mail gateway ate about half of my post on the zenpack issue
[20-Oct-2010 10:58:38] <jmp242> that's worrysome when trying to post code / error messages
[20-Oct-2010 11:00:17] * Sam-I-Am tries to figure out what the 'diagram' zenpack does
[20-Oct-2010 11:00:28] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: let me know when you do 
[20-Oct-2010 11:02:28] totalsat^ is now known as kobalt
[20-Oct-2010 11:15:59] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[20-Oct-2010 11:16:07] <Parabola|W> clear
[20-Oct-2010 11:17:00] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[20-Oct-2010 11:17:39] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[20-Oct-2010 11:19:14] <Parabola|W> question: @ this link, when he says " a whole group" does he mean a class? http://www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg28329.html
[20-Oct-2010 11:21:20] <rmatte> he's saying that refers to all devices
[20-Oct-2010 11:21:48] <rmatte> and yes, that access device classes
[20-Oct-2010 11:22:03] <rmatte> If you wanted all devices under the server class you'd do...
[20-Oct-2010 11:22:09] <rmatte> dmd.Devices.Server.getSubDevices()
[20-Oct-2010 11:22:13] <Parabola|W> yeah, i could setup a new class under ping
[20-Oct-2010 11:22:20] <Parabola|W> of dynamic devices and then run this against it
[20-Oct-2010 11:22:25] <rmatte> yes
[20-Oct-2010 11:22:47] <Parabola|W> so thats for the server class?
[20-Oct-2010 11:22:56] <rmatte> dmd.Devices.Ping.Whatever.getSubDevices()
[20-Oct-2010 11:23:00] <Parabola|W> awesome
[20-Oct-2010 11:23:09] <rmatte> It's just a path basically
[20-Oct-2010 11:23:22] <Parabola|W> in your experience, what would be the most effective way to have this run on a schedule
[20-Oct-2010 11:23:25] <rmatte> dmd.Devices.Network.Cisco.Router.getSubDevices()
[20-Oct-2010 11:23:34] <Parabola|W> actually scratch that
[20-Oct-2010 11:23:34] <rmatte> cron
[20-Oct-2010 11:23:48] <Parabola|W> having it run when a device in that class fails to ping
[20-Oct-2010 11:23:53] <Parabola|W> that could work too
[20-Oct-2010 11:23:54] <rmatte> I use crontab for script scheduling
[20-Oct-2010 11:24:17] <Parabola|W> yeah but the problem with a schedule is if i do 30min and it changes 1min after it ran
[20-Oct-2010 11:24:25] <Parabola|W> its "down" for 29min
[20-Oct-2010 11:24:37] <rmatte> yup
[20-Oct-2010 11:24:58] <jmp242> Event Command Parabola|W ...?
[20-Oct-2010 11:25:00] <Parabola|W> can i execute the dmd stuff directly from the alert commands, like i would my expect scripts?
[20-Oct-2010 11:25:05] <Parabola|W> yeah
[20-Oct-2010 11:25:55] <jmp242> to get to zope web interface in Zenoss 3 - do you still append /manage to the URL?
[20-Oct-2010 11:26:02] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[20-Oct-2010 11:26:14] <rmatte> Parabola|W: Events Manager -> Commands can execute anything based on events
[20-Oct-2010 11:26:28] <rmatte> jmp242: yes, you do
[20-Oct-2010 11:26:46] <rmatte> jmp242: though... there's a heck of a lot of ajax, so the path that you're appending to isn't always correct
[20-Oct-2010 11:26:52] <Parabola|W> rmatte,  yeah thats what i ment
[20-Oct-2010 11:27:00] <Parabola|W> i just didnt remember where it was at  i knew i'd find it tho hehe
[20-Oct-2010 11:27:15] <rmatte> jmp242: you should starts at the dmd level and drill down from there in the majority of cases
[20-Oct-2010 11:27:29] <rmatte> start*
[20-Oct-2010 11:28:35] <jmp242> That works.. I'm beginning to wonder if I should poke around in Zope a bit to see if the Zenpacks giving me issues are even in there
[20-Oct-2010 11:30:59] <jmp242> I wonder if I try deleting the zenpack from Zope and then the filesystem if that would make anything worse (in other parts of the app)
[20-Oct-2010 11:31:07] <rmatte> man I love this formula zenpack
[20-Oct-2010 11:31:19] <rmatte> I'm finally able to create memory thresholds properly for a bunch of my templates
[20-Oct-2010 11:32:01] <ericenns> haha yeah cool
[20-Oct-2010 11:32:32] <rmatte> I deployed it to all of my servers last night (during our change window)
[20-Oct-2010 11:33:00] <jmp242> where are you finding these new zenpacks?
[20-Oct-2010 11:33:05] <rmatte> I made that one
[20-Oct-2010 11:33:06] <rmatte> lol
[20-Oct-2010 11:33:15] <ericenns> wicked I really need to start writting some zenoss documentation for when my term is up
[20-Oct-2010 11:33:24] <rmatte> I can give you a link if you want jmp
[20-Oct-2010 11:33:48] <rmatte> http://dmon.org/downloads/zenoss/zenpacks/ZenPacks.community.FormulaDataSource-1.3.egg
[20-Oct-2010 11:33:59] <jmp242> No, I don't really need it, I just like to see what new zenpacks are out
[20-Oct-2010 11:34:04] <rmatte> k
[20-Oct-2010 11:34:34] <rmatte> there are like 40 ZenPacks in queue to be released from the contest
[20-Oct-2010 11:35:15] <Parabola|W> they need an rss feed
[20-Oct-2010 11:35:17] <rmatte> ericenns: yeh, I'm waiting for your vmware pack to get released so that I can test it out
[20-Oct-2010 11:35:26] <rmatte> packs rather
[20-Oct-2010 11:35:32] <Parabola|W> any esxi packs?
[20-Oct-2010 11:35:40] <ericenns> yup I made some
[20-Oct-2010 11:35:43] <Parabola|W> amazing
[20-Oct-2010 11:35:47] <Parabola|W> what do they monitor
[20-Oct-2010 11:36:02] * Sam-I-Am wants some esxi zenpacks too
[20-Oct-2010 11:36:11] <Sam-I-Am> or just vmware in general
[20-Oct-2010 11:36:15] <rmatte> he made a vmware datasource pack that monitors via the actual vmware API
[20-Oct-2010 11:36:18] <rmatte> which is just awesome
[20-Oct-2010 11:36:24] <Parabola|W> using vstorage?
[20-Oct-2010 11:36:41] <ericenns> no I use the vsphere perl api
[20-Oct-2010 11:36:46] <Parabola|W> oh okay
[20-Oct-2010 11:36:53] <Parabola|W> Cool man 
[20-Oct-2010 11:36:56] <Parabola|W> wheres the pack!?
[20-Oct-2010 11:37:34] <ericenns> I don't have it hosted anywhere at the moment
[20-Oct-2010 11:38:03] <rmatte> They'll be out soon enough
[20-Oct-2010 11:38:09] <st3v3o> looks like another SOA check failed at 11 and came back at 11:14
[20-Oct-2010 11:38:09] <ericenns> but I did just get my own website
[20-Oct-2010 11:38:21] <st3v3o> wrong windows sorry guys
[20-Oct-2010 11:38:28] <rmatte> 
[20-Oct-2010 11:39:18] <ericenns> maybe tonight I will try to get a basic html site out later tonight with a guide on how to use them If I do I will for sure notify you guys\
[20-Oct-2010 11:41:57] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: sounds cool
[20-Oct-2010 11:42:07] <Sam-I-Am> i'd be willing to test it for you
[20-Oct-2010 11:42:20] <Sam-I-Am> well, my sysadmin might... but something tells me i'll be configuring it
[20-Oct-2010 11:42:32] <Sam-I-Am> somehow i've become the zenoss bitch here.
[20-Oct-2010 11:43:45] <rmatte> lol
[20-Oct-2010 11:44:09] <rocket> Sam-I-Am: hrmm seems that way for me too .. 
[20-Oct-2010 11:45:07] <ericenns> ok cool lol, well if you guys want a head start you will need to install this one your zenoss server http://www.vmware.com/support/developer/viperltoolkit/
[20-Oct-2010 11:46:10] <ericenns> also you will need this docs/DOC-5802
[20-Oct-2010 11:46:13] <xuru> ericenns: what for?  some esx goodness?
[20-Oct-2010 11:46:23] <ericenns> xuru: yup for esx goodness
[20-Oct-2010 11:46:33] * xuru loves ericenns 
[20-Oct-2010 11:47:04] <rmatte> lol
[20-Oct-2010 11:47:12] <xuru> too bad they don't have a python toolkit
[20-Oct-2010 11:47:18] <rmatte> yeh
[20-Oct-2010 11:47:44] <ericenns> yeh some guy is working on a project called psphere but it didn't look far enough along yet
[20-Oct-2010 11:48:12] <xuru> actually, I remember looking into this a while ago....  going to dig around a bit
[20-Oct-2010 11:48:17] <rmatte> yeh, libvirt's esx support is practically non-existant too
[20-Oct-2010 11:49:15] <xuru> using pywbem, I can querry esx status
[20-Oct-2010 11:49:34] <rmatte> yeh, but how deep does that go?
[20-Oct-2010 11:49:46] <ericenns> eugh yeah I looked into that and it isn't really good for performance stats
[20-Oct-2010 11:49:54] <ericenns> thats what my original plan was
[20-Oct-2010 11:50:03] <xuru> uses CIM so anything in that tree
[20-Oct-2010 11:50:04] <xuru> ah
[20-Oct-2010 11:50:30] <xuru> http://communities.vmware.com/docs/DOC-7170
[20-Oct-2010 11:50:49] <ericenns> yeah seen that one a while ago
[20-Oct-2010 11:51:07] <xuru> ok, just played with it a little, that's about it
[20-Oct-2010 11:51:28] <ericenns> i got alot of my inspiration from http://www.op5.org/community/plugin-inventory/op5-projects/check-esx-plugin
[20-Oct-2010 11:52:48] <xuru> very cool
[20-Oct-2010 11:53:05] <xuru> looks a bit more grown up
[20-Oct-2010 11:53:43] <ericenns> yup
[20-Oct-2010 11:54:00] <xuru> are you just starting on it?
[20-Oct-2010 11:54:14] <ericenns> i have a version already done
[20-Oct-2010 11:54:26] <ericenns> submitted into the contest
[20-Oct-2010 11:54:40] <ericenns> its actually two zenpacks
[20-Oct-2010 11:55:06] <xuru> Sweet, I'll volunteer to be a guinea pig 
[20-Oct-2010 11:55:12] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[20-Oct-2010 11:55:31] <Sam-I-Am> i just got 'approval' from the sysmin-saurus for testing it
[20-Oct-2010 11:55:37] <xuru> is the contest still going on?
[20-Oct-2010 11:55:38] <Parabola|W> just throw them on a dropbox account
[20-Oct-2010 11:55:41] <Parabola|W> free file hosting
[20-Oct-2010 11:55:51] <ericenns> haha ok well I'll post them on my site in a moment
[20-Oct-2010 11:55:58] <xuru> k
[20-Oct-2010 11:56:05] <Parabola|W> any docs to go with them
[20-Oct-2010 11:56:19] <ericenns> will post a simple text html page
[20-Oct-2010 11:56:20] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: theres no rush here, just that i can play guinea pig
[20-Oct-2010 11:56:29] <ericenns> I got a moment
[20-Oct-2010 11:56:35] <xuru> we had a fan fail on one of our qlogic fiber switches this morning, so getting those into zenoss is top priority atm
[20-Oct-2010 11:56:54] <rmatte> you couldn't just have the device trap back?
[20-Oct-2010 11:56:56] <Sam-I-Am> xuru: i'm having to do a lot of custom snmp stuff for one-offs like that
[20-Oct-2010 11:57:07] <Sam-I-Am> some stuff just doesnt trap things it should
[20-Oct-2010 11:57:21] <xuru> yeah
[20-Oct-2010 11:57:30] <Parabola|W> heres what i've got in my event manager for resetting the IPs, this look accurate? http://pastebin.com/W6N4uzZC
[20-Oct-2010 11:57:32] <rmatte> hardware alert traps and syslogs makes life so much easier
[20-Oct-2010 11:57:32] <rmatte> lol
[20-Oct-2010 11:57:40] <xuru> hehe, I know
[20-Oct-2010 11:57:43] <Sam-I-Am> yes, they do
[20-Oct-2010 11:57:55] <xuru> I've just about got all the devices setup to send traps to zenoss
[20-Oct-2010 11:57:59] <Sam-I-Am> the brocade network gear is a bit... weird.
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:04] <rmatte> Parabola|W: no lol, that won't work...
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:06] <xuru> ... except these fiber switches...
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:07] <Parabola|W> 
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:11] <Sam-I-Am> sometimes it'll trap, sometimes it'll syslog, and sometimes both
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:11] <Parabola|W> rmatte,  whats broken
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:22] <rmatte> you didn't code it properly, give me a second and I'll show you...
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:28] <Sam-I-Am> and sometimes the syslog message is infinitely more informative
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:28] <Parabola|W> thanks man 
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:37] <Parabola|W> brocade is a good company tho
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:46] <rmatte> Parabola|W: http://pastebin.com/1Q53C1LD
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:46] <Parabola|W> an old coworker/friend of mine is an engineer there
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:50] <Parabola|W> he loves it
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:55] <Parabola|W> they treat them very well
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:55] <Sam-I-Am> this is ex-foundry stuff
[20-Oct-2010 11:58:57] <rmatte> you have to use a for loop, you can't just use the function by itself
[20-Oct-2010 11:59:09] <Sam-I-Am> its cool equipment... lacks a little in a few areas.
[20-Oct-2010 11:59:15] <Parabola|W> oh okay thanks
[20-Oct-2010 11:59:20] <rmatte> np
[20-Oct-2010 11:59:22] <Parabola|W> may i ask why?
[20-Oct-2010 11:59:27] <Parabola|W> i like to understand stuff not just remember it
[20-Oct-2010 11:59:34] <rmatte> ok... well...
[20-Oct-2010 11:59:45] * xuru sits down to listen
[20-Oct-2010 11:59:56] <rmatte> you're calling setManageIp() as a function on d
[20-Oct-2010 12:00:02] <rmatte> but d needs to be set to something
[20-Oct-2010 12:00:09] <Parabola|W> gotcha
[20-Oct-2010 12:00:18] <Parabola|W> so i could change that to a if i wnated correct?
[20-Oct-2010 12:00:33] <rmatte> what the for loop is doing is executing getSubDevices, and for each object in the execution it sets d to the path to that particular device
[20-Oct-2010 12:00:40] <rmatte> and then it executes setManageIP() for it
[20-Oct-2010 12:00:45] <Parabola|W> ah makes sense
[20-Oct-2010 12:01:03] <rmatte> and no, you can't use an if, it has to be a for loop
[20-Oct-2010 12:01:17] <Parabola|W> no no
[20-Oct-2010 12:01:17] <rmatte> for example, if getSubDevices() returned...
[20-Oct-2010 12:01:22] <rmatte> device1
[20-Oct-2010 12:01:23] <rmatte> device2
[20-Oct-2010 12:01:23] <Parabola|W> i ment that as "a"
[20-Oct-2010 12:01:28] <xuru> list comprehensions...
[20-Oct-2010 12:01:31] <Parabola|W> lol
[20-Oct-2010 12:01:46] <Parabola|W> i was just curious why everyone seems to use a d
[20-Oct-2010 12:01:53] <rmatte> then the result would be device1.setManageIp() and device2.setManageIp()
[20-Oct-2010 12:01:57] <rmatte> oh
[20-Oct-2010 12:02:01] <Parabola|W> 
[20-Oct-2010 12:02:03] <rmatte> yeh, you can use whatever letter you want
[20-Oct-2010 12:02:10] <rmatte> d is just short and stands for device
[20-Oct-2010 12:02:16] <rmatte> if I'm working with events I use an e
[20-Oct-2010 12:02:19] <rmatte> or i for interfaces
[20-Oct-2010 12:02:21] <Parabola|W> ah gotcha
[20-Oct-2010 12:02:36] <rmatte> but you can do: for blahblahblah in
[20-Oct-2010 12:02:39] <rmatte> lol
[20-Oct-2010 12:02:44] <Parabola|W> yeah
[20-Oct-2010 12:03:27] <rmatte> now, if you're wanting to execute that as a standalone script you'll need: docs/DOC-3217
[20-Oct-2010 12:08:16] nonsenso_ is now known as nonsenso
[20-Oct-2010 12:22:54] <Sam-I-Am> how do you guys tend to organize your stuff in systems/groups?
[20-Oct-2010 12:23:54] <Sam-I-Am> at first i thought i'd make a group for each network i manage... and within that divide into systems/network, then backbone/site, etc.
[20-Oct-2010 12:24:01] <Sam-I-Am> but there's also the systems method
[20-Oct-2010 12:24:21] <rmatte> you can do it however you like
[20-Oct-2010 12:24:25] <rmatte> there is no right way to do it
[20-Oct-2010 12:24:27] <Sam-I-Am> i have some other classifications i need to figure out like critical and non-critical.
[20-Oct-2010 12:24:32] <Sam-I-Am> but should those be groups or systems...
[20-Oct-2010 12:24:37] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: it sure seems that way
[20-Oct-2010 12:24:46] <rmatte> you can set device severity
[20-Oct-2010 12:24:51] <ericenns> ok I got a website up very basic http://futamill.ca/
[20-Oct-2010 12:24:52] <rmatte> I just set critical devices to high severity
[20-Oct-2010 12:24:57] <rmatte> high priority, rather
[20-Oct-2010 12:25:02] <rmatte> and set everything else to normal
[20-Oct-2010 12:25:05] <Sam-I-Am> that also works
[20-Oct-2010 12:25:19] <ericenns> only have py 2.6 eggs up at the moment
[20-Oct-2010 12:25:37] <Sam-I-Am> oh nos!
[20-Oct-2010 12:25:47] <ericenns> it is 2.5.2 compatible though
[20-Oct-2010 12:25:48] * Sam-I-Am uses 2.5.2... or will be... i think.
[20-Oct-2010 12:25:51] <Sam-I-Am> oh, thats good
[20-Oct-2010 12:26:01] <ericenns> just haven't built the eggs for that
[20-Oct-2010 12:26:15] <ericenns> I don't have a test 2.5 up yet
[20-Oct-2010 12:28:17] <ericenns> had links mixed up fixed them though
[20-Oct-2010 12:28:20] <rmatte> ericenns: you can just remove the -py2.6 to make the egg work in 2.5 and 3.0
[20-Oct-2010 12:28:42] <ericenns> rmatte: I know I can do that
[20-Oct-2010 12:28:58] <rmatte> no point in building a whole new egg for 2.5.2
[20-Oct-2010 12:29:02] <rmatte> just use the existing egg
[20-Oct-2010 12:29:11] <ericenns> true
[20-Oct-2010 12:29:29] <rmatte> all 3 ZenPacks that I submitted are cross-compatible and use the same egg
[20-Oct-2010 12:29:35] <ericenns> oh ok
[20-Oct-2010 12:29:43] <ericenns> well I can change that then
[20-Oct-2010 12:29:47] <rmatte> 
[20-Oct-2010 12:30:48] <kobalt> is there a way to roll back a patch?
[20-Oct-2010 12:30:53] <rmatte> yeh
[20-Oct-2010 12:30:57] <rmatte> just run zenpatch again
[20-Oct-2010 12:31:03] <rmatte> and when it asks to assume -r answer yes
[20-Oct-2010 12:32:54] <ericenns> rmatte: ok I changed it
[20-Oct-2010 12:33:41] <kobalt> it seems the traceback error Im getting message/53857#53857 is stopping the modeling
[20-Oct-2010 12:34:14] <ericenns> xuru Sam-I-Am here they are http://futamill.ca/
[20-Oct-2010 12:34:21] <kobalt> it goes throught the process but then throws the traceback and does not update the data
[20-Oct-2010 12:34:54] <xuru> ericenns: will it work with ESX 4.0?  or just ESXi?
[20-Oct-2010 12:34:57] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: cool.  once the vmware shiz is up i'll give them a whirl
[20-Oct-2010 12:35:17] <ericenns> xuru: It works with ESX and ESXi, or it should they use the same things
[20-Oct-2010 12:35:22] <Sam-I-Am> yeh
[20-Oct-2010 12:35:28] <ericenns> only tested on ESXi
[20-Oct-2010 12:35:32] <Sam-I-Am> also, apparently vmware is planning to drop esx in the future
[20-Oct-2010 12:35:41] <xuru> I'll give it a whurl
[20-Oct-2010 12:35:44] <ericenns> and esxi?
[20-Oct-2010 12:35:45] <Sam-I-Am> leaving only esxi (which they should have just called sexi)
[20-Oct-2010 12:35:56] <ericenns> haha yeah and xuru cool
[20-Oct-2010 12:40:19] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[20-Oct-2010 12:41:17] <rmatte> why the heck would they drop ESX?
[20-Oct-2010 12:41:23] <rmatte> that's their money maker lol
[20-Oct-2010 12:41:29] <Sam-I-Am> well, replacing it with esxi
[20-Oct-2010 12:41:39] <ericenns> ESXi plus addons is also a money amker
[20-Oct-2010 12:41:41] <Sam-I-Am> which still requires $$$$ for any useful features
[20-Oct-2010 12:41:43] <rmatte> which they will then charge money for?
[20-Oct-2010 12:41:53] <rmatte> I see
[20-Oct-2010 12:41:58] <Sam-I-Am> esxi is only free if you want to do one thing... basic VMs with no redundancy
[20-Oct-2010 12:42:21] <rmatte> yeh
[20-Oct-2010 12:42:33] <rmatte> we use ESXi in our lab (the free version)
[20-Oct-2010 12:42:36] <Sam-I-Am> vmotion is the killer
[20-Oct-2010 12:42:38] <rmatte> but we have ESX in production
[20-Oct-2010 12:42:43] <Sam-I-Am> followed by storagemotion
[20-Oct-2010 12:42:50] <rmatte> yeh, we have vmotion
[20-Oct-2010 12:42:53] <rmatte> works nicely
[20-Oct-2010 12:42:58] <Sam-I-Am> even for a non-profit like myself its stupid expensive
[20-Oct-2010 12:43:19] <Sam-I-Am> i wonder how well redhat's vm solution works. vmware needs a little competition.
[20-Oct-2010 12:43:29] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[20-Oct-2010 12:43:57] <rmatte> well, there's always XEN
[20-Oct-2010 12:43:58] <xuru> I agree with Sam-I-Am
[20-Oct-2010 12:44:16] <xuru> I don't trust Citrix
[20-Oct-2010 12:44:59] <rmatte> Xen Hypervisor
[20-Oct-2010 12:45:18] <rmatte> not Citrix
[20-Oct-2010 12:45:31] <xuru> yeah, I thought citrix bought them
[20-Oct-2010 12:45:49] <rmatte> well, Citrix has some "XenServer" product that is based on it
[20-Oct-2010 12:45:52] <rmatte> but it's not the same thing
[20-Oct-2010 12:46:09] <rmatte> plus the majority of the Xen code was done prior to Citrix buying them
[20-Oct-2010 12:46:25] <xuru> true
[20-Oct-2010 12:46:37] <rmatte> I don't trust Citrix as a product
[20-Oct-2010 12:46:51] <rmatte> since the biggest IT disaster I've ever experienced was with Citrix
[20-Oct-2010 12:47:04] <xuru> yes
[20-Oct-2010 12:47:18] <xuru> and that product is such a resource hog
[20-Oct-2010 12:47:34] <rmatte> yup
[20-Oct-2010 12:47:41] <Parabola|W> crap half of my pinged hosts using the fping zenpack dont have graphs
[20-Oct-2010 12:47:46] <Parabola|W> i just cannot win
[20-Oct-2010 12:47:54] <rmatte> but yeh, if you download xen from xen.org it's the opensource version of the project
[20-Oct-2010 12:48:00] <rmatte> and it has a lot of bells and whistles
[20-Oct-2010 12:48:10] <rmatte> It can do vmotion style redundency
[20-Oct-2010 12:48:14] <Parabola|W> xen is a very cool product
[20-Oct-2010 12:48:25] <Parabola|W> good amount of reading involved
[20-Oct-2010 12:48:28] <xuru> ok, I thought it was like what happened with MySql
[20-Oct-2010 12:48:29] <rmatte> yeh
[20-Oct-2010 12:48:38] <rmatte> xuru: nah
[20-Oct-2010 12:48:47] <Parabola|W> i'm using vmware esxi 4 right now, but when we move colos
[20-Oct-2010 12:48:51] <forsberg> is there an interface to xen as the vm sphere point and click ? 
[20-Oct-2010 12:48:52] <Parabola|W> i've thought about setting up xen boxes instead
[20-Oct-2010 12:49:01] <Parabola|W> forsberg,  there are webguis to manage it yes
[20-Oct-2010 12:49:06] <forsberg> aight
[20-Oct-2010 12:49:09] <Parabola|W> i dont know functionality wise what tehy can or cannot do
[20-Oct-2010 12:49:15] <Parabola|W> again i've only read about xen and paravirtualization
[20-Oct-2010 12:49:18] <Parabola|W> i've never actually used it
[20-Oct-2010 12:49:25] <Parabola|W> i'm thinking of trying to move to it
[20-Oct-2010 12:49:30] <rmatte> well, it supports virtual console, live snapshots, vmotion style movement of servers
[20-Oct-2010 12:49:31] <forsberg> i just need to be able to make a machine fast, without reading man and all that sheit ;>
[20-Oct-2010 12:49:39] <forsberg> even if its 2 years since i did it last 
[20-Oct-2010 12:49:52] <xuru> I hope they make it easy enough that people will adapt it
[20-Oct-2010 12:50:23] <xuru> you can make the best product in the world, but if it isn't easy to use, no one will use it
[20-Oct-2010 12:51:15] <forsberg> on that note, anything "new" in the esxi snmp zenoss department that is not represented on the zenoss.org website ? 
[20-Oct-2010 12:51:41] <forsberg> can only find "older" stuff which does not work fully
[20-Oct-2010 12:51:42] <xuru> ericenns: all loaded
[20-Oct-2010 12:51:51] <ericenns> xuru: cool
[20-Oct-2010 12:52:00] <ericenns> xuru: like my awesome webpage
[20-Oct-2010 12:52:14] <xuru> hehe, it's very too the point
[20-Oct-2010 12:52:24] <xuru> but says everything you need
[20-Oct-2010 12:52:53] <ericenns> xuru: haha yeah before it just said helloworld, haven't decided what I want to do with it yet
[20-Oct-2010 12:54:17] <rmatte> http://www.xvpsource.org/?topic=about&page=screenshots
[20-Oct-2010 12:54:24] <rmatte> that's the web interface available for Xen
[20-Oct-2010 12:54:29] <rmatte> it's not fancy, but it's functional
[20-Oct-2010 12:54:40] <xuru> damn, I started a dd of a drive across the network yesterday at 3pm and it's still going....
[20-Oct-2010 12:55:28] <xuru> rmatte: interesting
[20-Oct-2010 12:55:35] <ericenns> forsberg: check out my site futamill.ca
[20-Oct-2010 12:55:44] <rmatte> what is a futamill?
[20-Oct-2010 12:56:00] <ericenns> it is just an online alias I created years ago
[20-Oct-2010 12:56:04] <rmatte> ah
[20-Oct-2010 12:56:26] <jmp242> oh god - I really thought it was something else
[20-Oct-2010 12:56:26] <ericenns> futamill = future millionare; lol adolescence
[20-Oct-2010 12:56:29] <Sam-I-Am> does anyone here use or know how to make zenoss contain links for devices pointing to their counterparts in a wiki i.e., documentation?
[20-Oct-2010 12:56:30] <rmatte> my main domains are dmon.org and demonic.cc
[20-Oct-2010 12:56:36] <rmatte> haha, nice
[20-Oct-2010 12:56:43] <xuru> hehe
[20-Oct-2010 12:56:57] <ericenns> I'm a dreamer lol
[20-Oct-2010 12:56:58] <jmp242> Sam-I-Am: use zLinks
[20-Oct-2010 12:57:21] <ericenns> rmatte: do you colocate?
[20-Oct-2010 12:57:25] <jmp242> I used it once for an iFrame that pointed to our GLPI instance for the heck of it
[20-Oct-2010 12:57:43] <jmp242> and if logged in to both, you could see the inventory stuff in the iframe in Zenoss
[20-Oct-2010 12:58:13] <Sam-I-Am> can i use html code in it?
[20-Oct-2010 12:58:17] <Sam-I-Am> seems to just show a string right now
[20-Oct-2010 12:58:22] <xuru> jmp242: sweet, we use GLPI as well
[20-Oct-2010 12:58:40] <jmp242> I was able to in 2.5.x
[20-Oct-2010 12:59:03] <jmp242> I haven't checked for 3.0.2 yet as I'm still banging my head against the zenpack horror that may force me to re-install after all 
[20-Oct-2010 12:59:32] <xuru> hey bigegor
[20-Oct-2010 12:59:55] <bigegor> hi
[20-Oct-2010 12:59:59] <rmatte> ericenns: yes, we do colo
[20-Oct-2010 13:00:12] <rmatte> ericenns: we have a rack at a datacenter in town here
[20-Oct-2010 13:00:49] <Sam-I-Am> jmp242: ah cool, that works
[20-Oct-2010 13:01:14] <ericenns> rmatte: ok cool I would love to host my own webserver but I can't afford colo
[20-Oct-2010 13:01:17] <Parabola|W> is there a way to monitor the ping job to say if ping is over 150MS for x minutes, send out a notification?
[20-Oct-2010 13:01:32] <rmatte> ericenns: oh, you meant for me personally, not for my work?
[20-Oct-2010 13:01:52] <rmatte> I rent a dedicated server
[20-Oct-2010 13:01:52] <ericenns> yeah your dmon.org and demonic.cc
[20-Oct-2010 13:01:53] <jmp242> Parabola|W: hmmm, I don't believe so with the built in zenping
[20-Oct-2010 13:01:55] <rmatte> from sagonet
[20-Oct-2010 13:02:03] <rmatte> it's about $110/month
[20-Oct-2010 13:02:11] <jmp242> but you could potentially use the FPing Zenpack and thresholds and some clever alerting rules to do that
[20-Oct-2010 13:02:21] <ericenns> rmatte: oh ok I have nosupportlinuxhosting for $1 per website a month
[20-Oct-2010 13:02:26] <rmatte> 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM, 2 x 500GB HDs in RAID 1, 3TB of monthly throughput
[20-Oct-2010 13:02:44] <rmatte> yeh, but I run a webserver, nameserver, mailserver, irc server, etc...
[20-Oct-2010 13:03:18] <rmatte> the nice thing about renting is, if anything goes on the server it gets replaced instantly free of charge
[20-Oct-2010 13:03:19] <jmp242> All right - thanks to rocket for all his help even though it didn't fix it. The next thing I'm going to try is moving the zenpack filesystem directories out of $ZENHOME and then delete the reference in the zope interface. I figure it can't break the zenpack any more than it already is
[20-Oct-2010 13:03:32] <ericenns> rmatte: ahh i see, I have a 2U server at home that would be perfect for webserving but i Don't have a connection for it
[20-Oct-2010 13:03:47] <rmatte> I have a 3U server sitting at home doing nothing
[20-Oct-2010 13:03:50] <rmatte> 6.4GHz server
[20-Oct-2010 13:03:51] <rmatte> lol
[20-Oct-2010 13:04:08] <rmatte> I think I'm going to either turn it in to a Zenoss lab or sell it.
[20-Oct-2010 13:04:12] <ericenns> oh shit lol I just have a dual 2.4 GHz p4 server
[20-Oct-2010 13:04:14] <xuru> I'll take them off your hands if you want
[20-Oct-2010 13:04:25] <ericenns> it is my zenoss lab at home
[20-Oct-2010 13:04:28] <rmatte> yeh, mine is a quad 1.6 Xeon server
[20-Oct-2010 13:04:54] <ericenns> oh I meant p4 XEON
[20-Oct-2010 13:05:00] <rmatte> yeh, same
[20-Oct-2010 13:05:01] <ericenns> so 2 single cores
[20-Oct-2010 13:05:10] <rmatte> well, it's really not cores
[20-Oct-2010 13:05:13] <rmatte> it's hyperthreading
[20-Oct-2010 13:05:16] <rmatte> which is different
[20-Oct-2010 13:05:23] * Sam-I-Am likes working at a service provider... 13 gigs of internet bandwidth and some free rack space.
[20-Oct-2010 13:05:29] <ericenns> I have two physical cpus
[20-Oct-2010 13:05:45] <rmatte> yeh, but P4 Xeons support hyperthreading
[20-Oct-2010 13:05:50] <Parabola|W> jmp242,  yeah i'm using fping, and having my own set of issues
[20-Oct-2010 13:05:51] <rmatte> so you can make it act like 4 total cores
[20-Oct-2010 13:05:54] <rmatte> 2 on each processor
[20-Oct-2010 13:05:55] <Parabola|W> i have the path to the binary file correct
[20-Oct-2010 13:06:03] <rmatte> mine looks like 8 cores
[20-Oct-2010 13:06:04] <Parabola|W> but over half my ping hosts dont have graphs
[20-Oct-2010 13:06:07] <ericenns> rmatte: ok hmm I may have to check that out on my server then
[20-Oct-2010 13:06:10] <xuru> ericenns: I see two "Guests"
[20-Oct-2010 13:06:10] <Parabola|W> its been 2 weeks so its not time related
[20-Oct-2010 13:06:40] <ericenns> xuru: yes that is an artifact of Zenoss.VirtualMachine zenpack I believer
[20-Oct-2010 13:06:51] <xuru> ok
[20-Oct-2010 13:07:03] <ericenns> xuru: but I'll check to make sure
[20-Oct-2010 13:07:26] <rmatte> The only problem with my server is that it only has 2GB of RAM, I need to buy more for it
[20-Oct-2010 13:07:43] <rmatte> It supports up to 16GB
[20-Oct-2010 13:08:01] <ericenns> rmatte: oh I see I have 6 GB of ram which is max and 6 36.4 10K rpm disks
[20-Oct-2010 13:08:04] <rmatte> the RAM is expensive though
[20-Oct-2010 13:08:22] <rmatte> I have 3 76gb 10k disks
[20-Oct-2010 13:08:25] <rmatte> SCSI
[20-Oct-2010 13:08:31] <ericenns> SCSI also
[20-Oct-2010 13:08:35] <xuru> ericenns: I get this after running a test:
[20-Oct-2010 13:08:38] <xuru> Warning: XML::LibXML compiled against libxml2 20706, but runtime libxml2 is older 20702
[20-Oct-2010 13:08:38] <xuru> Enter password:
[20-Oct-2010 13:08:38] <xuru> stty: standard input
[20-Oct-2010 13:08:38] <xuru> : Invalid argument ERROR: stty failed
[20-Oct-2010 13:09:00] <ericenns> xuru: did you set ZCommandPassword and ZVSpherePassword
[20-Oct-2010 13:09:23] <ericenns> xuru: also ZCommandUsername and ZVSpherePassword
[20-Oct-2010 13:10:16] <xuru> of course not!  do you think I read directions all day!  hehe
[20-Oct-2010 13:10:18] <ericenns> rmatte: I have an HP DL380 G3 server lol
[20-Oct-2010 13:10:31] <ericenns> xuru: haha well there you go lol
[20-Oct-2010 13:11:09] <ericenns> rmatte: ebay find for $50, so $100 shipped
[20-Oct-2010 13:13:15] <rmatte> ericenns: mine is an IBM X360
[20-Oct-2010 13:14:07] <ericenns> rmatte: ooh cool, the mailmain didn't like how heavy my server was
[20-Oct-2010 13:14:45] <xuru> 2010-10-20 12:08:49,260 WARNING zen.ZenModeler: The plugin community.cmd.VMwareESXiGuestMap returned no results.
[20-Oct-2010 13:14:45] <xuru> 2010-10-20 12:08:49,260 WARNING zen.ZenModeler: The plugin community.cmd.VMwareESXiHostMap returned no results.
[20-Oct-2010 13:15:05] <Parabola|W> LOL jesus
[20-Oct-2010 13:15:27] <Parabola|W> i have 1103 processes running on my zenoss server :-\
[20-Oct-2010 13:15:29] <ericenns> xuru: ok umm any events generated, complaining that something isn't executable
[20-Oct-2010 13:15:59] <xuru> ericenns: nope
[20-Oct-2010 13:16:11] <xuru> I ran it with -v10 and didn't see anything else
[20-Oct-2010 13:16:17] <ericenns> xuru: That error also happened to me when I hadn't set ZCommandUsername and ZCommandPassword
[20-Oct-2010 13:16:51] <xuru> maybe it hasn't been pushed yet...
[20-Oct-2010 13:17:01] <ericenns> ok I'll check something on my end
[20-Oct-2010 13:19:47] <ericenns> xuru: could you check $ZENHOME/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.VMwareESXiMonitor blah blah modeler/plugins/community/cmd/VMwareGuestMap.py
[20-Oct-2010 13:20:04] <xuru> xure
[20-Oct-2010 13:20:07] <xuru> err sure
[20-Oct-2010 13:20:14] <ericenns> xuru: thanks
[20-Oct-2010 13:20:21] <xuru> looking at the perl scripts
[20-Oct-2010 13:20:29] <xuru> don't seem to be much too them is there
[20-Oct-2010 13:20:38] <ericenns> no not much at all
[20-Oct-2010 13:21:33] <xuru> might actually be able to tolerate that much perl hehe
[20-Oct-2010 13:22:15] <ericenns> if you wanted you could test the perl script by esxi_guestinfo.pl --server 'hostname or ip' --username --password
[20-Oct-2010 13:22:30] <xuru> yeah, that's what I'm doing now
[20-Oct-2010 13:22:39] <ericenns> ok
[20-Oct-2010 13:23:15] <ericenns> it expects perl installed at /usr/bin/perl
[20-Oct-2010 13:23:57] <ericenns> which is standard but maybe your server is non standard
[20-Oct-2010 13:23:59] <xuru> yeah, it ran fine from the command line
[20-Oct-2010 13:24:16] <xuru> I wonder if the warning is screwing up the parsing though
[20-Oct-2010 13:24:19] <ericenns> ok cool then only thing is the password, try a zopectl restart
[20-Oct-2010 13:24:32] <xuru> [12:17 PM]zenoss@ks-mgmt-monitor-01:libexec$ perl ./esxi_guestinfo.pl --server 172.22.0.243 --username root --password solutions
[20-Oct-2010 13:24:32] <xuru> Warning: XML::LibXML compiled against libxml2 20706, but runtime libxml2 is older 20702
[20-Oct-2010 13:24:33] <xuru> _esXpress: ks-prod-esx-03 Helper 16,256,Other Linux (32-bit),poweredOff,green
[20-Oct-2010 13:24:53] <xuru> those aren't the real username/password btw
[20-Oct-2010 13:24:59] <ericenns> yeah that warning is probably it
[20-Oct-2010 13:25:40] <ericenns> hmm could turn off use warnings
[20-Oct-2010 13:25:45] <xuru> my libxml2 is up to date for my distro
[20-Oct-2010 13:25:54] <ericenns> ok I'm using centos
[20-Oct-2010 13:26:08] <Sam-I-Am> xuru: aww, i wanted to haxx0r j00
[20-Oct-2010 13:26:15] <xuru> hehe
[20-Oct-2010 13:26:48] <xuru> ericenns: Ubuntu here, I commented out the use warnings with no effect
[20-Oct-2010 13:27:02] <ericenns> does it still give that warning?
[20-Oct-2010 13:27:07] <xuru> yeah
[20-Oct-2010 13:27:17] <ericenns> ok hmm I'm thinking
[20-Oct-2010 13:27:23] <Parabola|W> all my fping graphs just NAN'ed on me
[20-Oct-2010 13:27:30] <Parabola|W> any ideas what could have caused this
[20-Oct-2010 13:27:39] <Parabola|W> fping is still in the correct dir
[20-Oct-2010 13:28:25] <xuru> ericenns: it's printing the warning on stderr
[20-Oct-2010 13:28:38] <xuru> this works:  perl ./esxi_guestinfo.pl --server 172.22.0.243 --username root --password solutions 2> /dev/null
[20-Oct-2010 13:28:50] <ericenns> xuru: ok cool
[20-Oct-2010 13:28:59] <Sam-I-Am> of course that'll also ditch any other errors
[20-Oct-2010 13:29:05] <ericenns> xuru: another thing that would work is using cpan to get the new version
[20-Oct-2010 13:29:30] <xuru> true, but I'd rather not mix distro and cpan
[20-Oct-2010 13:29:37] <xuru> makes for nasty upgrades
[20-Oct-2010 13:29:43] <ericenns> xuru: or I could figure out a way to put the warnings into a event
[20-Oct-2010 13:29:49] <ericenns> xuru: yeah thats true
[20-Oct-2010 13:30:05] <ericenns> afk for a moment
[20-Oct-2010 13:33:22] <ericenns> back
[20-Oct-2010 13:33:54] <ericenns> xuru: one thing you will notice under components it will always show Down for status I haven't figured out how to change that yet
[20-Oct-2010 13:35:21] <xuru> ok, I figured out what the problem is
[20-Oct-2010 13:35:26] <Sam-I-Am> oooh, didnt know i could set collector by group
[20-Oct-2010 13:35:29] <Sam-I-Am> thats awesome
[20-Oct-2010 13:35:39] <ericenns> xuru: oh yeah
[20-Oct-2010 13:35:47] <xuru> I printed out the contents of output and:
[20-Oct-2010 13:35:56] <xuru> Error connecting to server at 'https://ks-prod-esx-03.vm.kingsolutions.local/sdk/webService': Bad hostname
[20-Oct-2010 13:36:00] <xuru> after the warning
[20-Oct-2010 13:36:18] <Parabola|W> woo, all my dns hosts are being monitored now
[20-Oct-2010 13:36:22] <Parabola|W> time to test
[20-Oct-2010 13:36:39] <ericenns> xuru: ok hmm does ip work?
[20-Oct-2010 13:37:25] <ericenns> I'll check my vsphere settings
[20-Oct-2010 13:37:36] <xuru> from a web browser yes
[20-Oct-2010 13:38:21] <ericenns> so when you run the command from shell the hostname doesn't work
[20-Oct-2010 13:38:23] <xuru> but not by name with the web browser either
[20-Oct-2010 13:38:42] <xuru> sounds like DNS to me
[20-Oct-2010 13:39:35] <xuru> I'll fix our DNS and try again
[20-Oct-2010 13:39:51] <ericenns> yeah did you set name and dns in the vsphere client udner configuration
[20-Oct-2010 13:40:12] <xuru> yeah, I believe so
[20-Oct-2010 13:40:29] <ericenns> ok yeah
[20-Oct-2010 13:41:04] <xuru> gah, the other admin here doesn't know what he's doing with DNS
[20-Oct-2010 13:41:20] <Sam-I-Am> heh, most admins dont
[20-Oct-2010 13:41:37] <ericenns> xuru: oh yeah lol
[20-Oct-2010 13:44:08] <Parabola|W> ericenns,  you know a way to mass-disable snmp agent monitoring?
[20-Oct-2010 13:44:18] <Parabola|W> snmpignore is true on the class, and all devices
[20-Oct-2010 13:44:25] <Parabola|W> the only template bound is f_ping
[20-Oct-2010 13:44:39] <Parabola|W> yet it keeps bitching about it
[20-Oct-2010 13:45:09] <ericenns> Parabola|W: hmm I haven't really ever done that I usually put devices in /ping to turn off snmp monitoring
[20-Oct-2010 13:45:17] <Parabola|W> they ARE in ping
[20-Oct-2010 13:45:20] <Parabola|W> thats why im asking
[20-Oct-2010 13:45:22] <ericenns> oh really
[20-Oct-2010 13:45:23] <Parabola|W> it went full retard on me
[20-Oct-2010 13:45:25] <Parabola|W> yes its pissing me off
[20-Oct-2010 13:45:33] <ericenns> hmm what version you running
[20-Oct-2010 13:45:36] <Parabola|W> newest
[20-Oct-2010 13:45:45] <ericenns> ok I have newest also
[20-Oct-2010 13:45:57] <Parabola|W> my pre existing arent having the problem
[20-Oct-2010 13:46:01] <Parabola|W> just the 30 i added today
[20-Oct-2010 13:47:04] <ericenns> hmm so if you go to one of the 30 does zSnmpMonitorIgnore = false just to see if the settings were set properly
[20-Oct-2010 13:47:11] <Parabola|W> i already checked 10
[20-Oct-2010 13:47:17] <ericenns> I mean TRUE lol
[20-Oct-2010 13:47:18] <Parabola|W> they are all correct, im not clikcing the other 20
[20-Oct-2010 13:47:25] <Parabola|W> its set to true
[20-Oct-2010 13:47:27] <ericenns> ok
[20-Oct-2010 13:47:30] <Parabola|W> im telling you man its setup right
[20-Oct-2010 13:47:31] <Parabola|W> its bugged out
[20-Oct-2010 13:47:41] <Parabola|W> ignore is true, only template bound is fping
[20-Oct-2010 13:47:50] <ericenns> ok have you tried a restart?
[20-Oct-2010 13:47:53] <Parabola|W> i wipe out the events from event mgr and they just come back
[20-Oct-2010 13:48:03] <Parabola|W> restart zenoss? no im trying to fix things without doing that
[20-Oct-2010 13:48:12] <ericenns> oh ok
[20-Oct-2010 13:48:52] <ericenns> well a zopectl restart, won't restart zenoss but it does cascade changes
[20-Oct-2010 13:51:22] <xuru> ericenns: ok, looks like it's doing a lot more during the model now
[20-Oct-2010 13:52:59] <xuru> ok, so now I'm getting Error: Cannot complete login due to an incorrect user name or password.
[20-Oct-2010 13:53:10] <xuru> I'll make sure that I got the correct username/password
[20-Oct-2010 13:53:24] <ericenns> ok its the vsphere client one
[20-Oct-2010 13:53:42] <ericenns> afk for lunch open a chat with me if you wanna leave me a message
[20-Oct-2010 13:54:12] <xuru> k, thanks 
[20-Oct-2010 13:56:01] <Parabola|W> restarted zenoss
[20-Oct-2010 13:56:05] <Parabola|W> still screwed up
[20-Oct-2010 13:56:14] <Parabola|W> does this product ever get to a point where it just works
[20-Oct-2010 13:56:20] <Parabola|W> or is it like a child
[20-Oct-2010 13:56:30] <Parabola|W> i have so many random things just stop working
[20-Oct-2010 14:00:20] <Sam-I-Am> wiping events from event manager or event console?
[20-Oct-2010 14:01:12] <Parabola|W> i dont know i click on events
[20-Oct-2010 14:01:18] <Parabola|W> and selected them and deleted
[20-Oct-2010 14:01:44] <Sam-I-Am> thats the console
[20-Oct-2010 14:01:48] <Sam-I-Am> so chances are they're recurring
[20-Oct-2010 14:01:53] <Sam-I-Am> either from traps or something else
[20-Oct-2010 14:02:06] <Parabola|W> whatever SNMP is disabled
[20-Oct-2010 14:02:16] <Parabola|W> and its not supposed to be checking it
[20-Oct-2010 14:02:40] <Sam-I-Am> traps are separate from polling
[20-Oct-2010 14:02:42] <Parabola|W> i cant keep spending hours out of my week fixing shit that was working
[20-Oct-2010 14:02:43] <rmatte> Parabola|W: 3.0 has huge changes in it, expect bugs
[20-Oct-2010 14:03:04] <Parabola|W> then they shouldnt have released it as stable/prod
[20-Oct-2010 14:03:05] <rmatte> It does seem like the implementation of new features takes precedence over fixing bugs though
[20-Oct-2010 14:03:30] <Parabola|W> yeah i dont go even a week without having to login and restart zenoss, its not like i'm in here playing around, i dont login to it unless it breaks
[20-Oct-2010 14:03:34] <Parabola|W> whcih is a weekly thing
[20-Oct-2010 14:03:46] <rmatte> I have a ticket that has been open for like 10 months now for fixing the automatic event clearing since it's incapable of clearing critical severity events
[20-Oct-2010 14:03:51] <rmatte> and they still haven't fixed it
[20-Oct-2010 14:03:52] <rmatte> lol
[20-Oct-2010 14:03:53] <Parabola|W> yeah
[20-Oct-2010 14:03:59] <Parabola|W> well my fping worked for 2 weeks
[20-Oct-2010 14:04:03] <Parabola|W> and now all are NAN'ed
[20-Oct-2010 14:04:11] <Parabola|W> thats a little aggrivating
[20-Oct-2010 14:04:21] <rmatte> that sounds like a zencommand problem
[20-Oct-2010 14:04:28] <Parabola|W> you'd think restarting zenoss would fi xit
[20-Oct-2010 14:04:30] <Parabola|W> but it didnt
[20-Oct-2010 14:04:39] <rmatte> have you tried moving the RRDs out of a device to see if it'll generate new RRDs and work?
[20-Oct-2010 14:04:50] <rmatte> no, restarting won't fix it if the RRDs are screwed
[20-Oct-2010 14:04:53] <Parabola|W> i honestly dont know how to do that
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:00] <Parabola|W> but if thats a bi weekly thing
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:01] <rmatte> $ZENHOME/perf/Devices
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:03] <Parabola|W> i'm not using this product
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:06] <rmatte> all the RRD files are stored in there
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:09] <Parabola|W> lets be honest the point of this is to save you time 
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:17] <rmatte> just go in there, go in to a device's folder, find the RRD file, and move it
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:26] <rmatte> Zenoss will see that it's missing and generate a new one
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:31] <Sam-I-Am> Parabola|W: did you upgrade to 3?
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:34] <Parabola|W> no
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:36] <rmatte> if it starts graphing normally after that thend the RRD was screwed
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:40] <Parabola|W> and this is my THIRD server
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:45] <Parabola|W> first was 2.5 worked fine
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:47] <rmatte> Parabola|W: what version are you running?
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:51] <Parabola|W> setup a new 3.0 when it came out
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:58] <Parabola|W> it was screwy, so i built a new vm
[20-Oct-2010 14:05:59] <Parabola|W> 302
[20-Oct-2010 14:06:08] <rmatte> yeh, 3.0 is very screwy
[20-Oct-2010 14:06:15] <Parabola|W> to be honest this is a terrible product
[20-Oct-2010 14:06:17] <rmatte> which is why I'm sticking to 2.5 for now
[20-Oct-2010 14:06:17] <Parabola|W> 2.5 was great
[20-Oct-2010 14:06:27] <rmatte> yeh, 2.5 works very well
[20-Oct-2010 14:06:36] <rmatte> I can't deal with any instability or usability issues right now
[20-Oct-2010 14:06:37] <Parabola|W> it would be better if the webGUI made sense on 3
[20-Oct-2010 14:06:39] <Parabola|W> but it doesnt
[20-Oct-2010 14:06:40] <Sam-I-Am> i was trying 3.0.2... no issues requiring restarts... but i think i'm dropping back to 2.5.2 for a while
[20-Oct-2010 14:06:45] <rmatte> so It's going to be a long while before 3.0 hits production here
[20-Oct-2010 14:06:50] <Parabola|W> i may setup a new 2.5 vm
[20-Oct-2010 14:06:55] <rmatte> I might end up waiting until 3.1 at the rate that 3.x is going
[20-Oct-2010 14:07:13] <Sam-I-Am> how long did it take 2 to stabilize?
[20-Oct-2010 14:07:15] <Parabola|W> my fave bug is in the stack installer
[20-Oct-2010 14:07:28] <Parabola|W> the zenhome path is "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss" by DEFAULT
[20-Oct-2010 14:07:35] <Parabola|W> i typed nothing in for install path, i just hit enter for defaults on it
[20-Oct-2010 14:07:37] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: it never really stabilizes persay lol
[20-Oct-2010 14:07:39] <Parabola|W> it does it every time, cracks me up
[20-Oct-2010 14:07:40] <Sam-I-Am> i havent used a stack installer
[20-Oct-2010 14:07:51] <Sam-I-Am> just rpm/deb
[20-Oct-2010 14:07:52] <Parabola|W> i was told the stack is the supported method
[20-Oct-2010 14:07:58] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: 2.3.3 was fine, 2.4 was garbage all the way up to 2.4.5, and even then it needed a bunch of patches
[20-Oct-2010 14:08:07] <rmatte> 2.5.0 and 2.5.1 were garbage up until 2.5.2
[20-Oct-2010 14:08:16] <Sam-I-Am> sweet
[20-Oct-2010 14:08:17] <rmatte> 2.5.2 needs a few patches but not as many
[20-Oct-2010 14:08:20] <Parabola|W> rmatte,  i have 30 broken devices
[20-Oct-2010 14:08:27] <Parabola|W> if i just delete all of the RRDs
[20-Oct-2010 14:08:31] <Parabola|W> will they rebuild for everything?
[20-Oct-2010 14:08:40] <rmatte> Parabola|W: yes, you'll lose the historical data though
[20-Oct-2010 14:08:42] <Parabola|W> its not like the information is accurate
[20-Oct-2010 14:08:45] <Parabola|W> who cares
[20-Oct-2010 14:09:05] <rmatte> yeh, you can get rid of any directory or rrd file in the perf/Devices directory and it'll automatically regenerate
[20-Oct-2010 14:09:57] <Parabola|W> i just want to get my job done, is that to much to ask zenoss?
[20-Oct-2010 14:10:03] <rmatte> lol
[20-Oct-2010 14:10:44] <Parabola|W> thats what i get for thinking i made progress with the auto-resolve dns stuff 
[20-Oct-2010 14:10:50] <rmatte> 3.0.3 should be out within the next week or two
[20-Oct-2010 14:11:13] <Parabola|W> i'm sure it will solve all my problems
[20-Oct-2010 14:11:16] <Parabola|W> ...
[20-Oct-2010 14:11:25] <Parabola|W> graphs all gone
[20-Oct-2010 14:11:28] <rmatte> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/query?status=assigned&status=backlog&status=closed&status=fixrejected&status=new&status=verification&group=patch_state&patch=3.0.3&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=owner&col=priority&col=milestone&col=component&col=changetime&report=6&order=status
[20-Oct-2010 14:11:30] <Parabola|W> i so need to find another product
[20-Oct-2010 14:11:31] <rmatte> that's what it fixes
[20-Oct-2010 14:11:41] <Parabola|W> change list "revert back to 2.5 guys"
[20-Oct-2010 14:11:44] <Parabola|W> hehe
[20-Oct-2010 14:11:52] <rmatte> I don't even see how you're having so many problems with it
[20-Oct-2010 14:12:01] <rmatte> I mean, I've had problems with Zenoss, but nothing like that
[20-Oct-2010 14:12:03] <Parabola|W> me either
[20-Oct-2010 14:12:10] <rmatte> the graphs on my 3.0.2 box are working fine
[20-Oct-2010 14:12:14] <Parabola|W> rub it in
[20-Oct-2010 14:12:53] <Sam-I-Am> something weird has to be up
[20-Oct-2010 14:12:57] <Parabola|W> i would agree
[20-Oct-2010 14:12:59] <rmatte> Parabola|W: you're not running the virtual appliance or something are you?
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:02] <Parabola|W> thats why i rebuilt it twice
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:03] <Parabola|W> hell no
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:09] <Parabola|W> ubuntu 9.10
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:09] <rmatte> k
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:11] <Sam-I-Am> is zenoss having trouble getting through the snmp/rrd graphing cycle before the next one starts?
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:14] <Parabola|W> and the stack install
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:23] <Parabola|W> no sorry its ubuntu 10.04
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:32] <Parabola|W> the OS its self is a VM but that doesnt matter
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:35] <Sam-I-Am> that'll caused weird crap i your graphs
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:36] <rmatte> what Sam is saying is a possible cause
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:43] <Sam-I-Am> ugh, cant type
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:46] <Parabola|W> i dont know
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:48] <rmatte> if the fping scripts are taking assloads of time to finish you may be running over your cycle
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:50] <Parabola|W> the load on the box is 0.05
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:52] <Sam-I-Am> cycle too quick, too much i/o, etc
[20-Oct-2010 14:13:57] <Parabola|W> and the fping thing just started today
[20-Oct-2010 14:14:07] <Parabola|W> when i added all these hosts
[20-Oct-2010 14:14:16] <rmatte> how many hosts?
[20-Oct-2010 14:14:35] <Parabola|W> less than 100
[20-Oct-2010 14:14:37] <Parabola|W> 90 somthing
[20-Oct-2010 14:14:41] <Sam-I-Am> hmm...
[20-Oct-2010 14:14:42] <Parabola|W> 85 are fping only
[20-Oct-2010 14:14:46] <rmatte> and how many did you have previously?
[20-Oct-2010 14:14:48] <Sam-I-Am> what all is getting monitored on them?
[20-Oct-2010 14:14:50] <Parabola|W> 30 less
[20-Oct-2010 14:14:56] <Parabola|W> there are 6 servers being monitored
[20-Oct-2010 14:15:00] <Parabola|W> 3 WMI 3 SNMP
[20-Oct-2010 14:15:02] <Parabola|W> the rest is just ping
[20-Oct-2010 14:15:07] <rmatte> what are the specs of that server?
[20-Oct-2010 14:15:14] <Parabola|W> 1 VCPU 3gb of ram
[20-Oct-2010 14:15:23] <rmatte> how many ghz?
[20-Oct-2010 14:15:28] <Parabola|W> who cares i dont know
[20-Oct-2010 14:15:31] <Parabola|W> enough
[20-Oct-2010 14:15:40] <Parabola|W> dual quad xeons with 24gb of ram is the host
[20-Oct-2010 14:15:44] <Parabola|W> its one of 4 vms on this box.
[20-Oct-2010 14:15:58] <rmatte> so is the vcpu uncapped then?
[20-Oct-2010 14:15:59] <Parabola|W> speed doesnt matter
[20-Oct-2010 14:16:02] <Parabola|W> the load is 0.05
[20-Oct-2010 14:16:06] <Parabola|W> Yes its uncapped
[20-Oct-2010 14:16:09] <rmatte> k
[20-Oct-2010 14:16:13] <Parabola|W> i doubt its perf related
[20-Oct-2010 14:16:17] <Parabola|W> webgui runs like a raped ape
[20-Oct-2010 14:16:23] <rmatte> I'm just exploring all possibilities here
[20-Oct-2010 14:16:24] <Parabola|W> over a gig of free ram
[20-Oct-2010 14:16:27] <Parabola|W> i understand
[20-Oct-2010 14:16:44] <rmatte> did you tweak your zope memory pool size?
[20-Oct-2010 14:16:52] <Parabola|W> yeah
[20-Oct-2010 14:16:57] <Parabola|W> we had this convo before 
[20-Oct-2010 14:17:02] <rmatte> what kind of storage is the VM using?
[20-Oct-2010 14:17:13] <Parabola|W> Dell MD3000i via iscsi
[20-Oct-2010 14:17:36] <rmatte> k, so not an IO issue
[20-Oct-2010 14:17:39] <Sam-I-Am> one of the logs will show the timestamp on monitoring/perf cycles...
[20-Oct-2010 14:18:21] <Parabola|W> im telling you now theres no way its perf related, the host is idle lol
[20-Oct-2010 14:18:30] <Parabola|W> that fixed my graphs rmatte
[20-Oct-2010 14:18:34] <Parabola|W> rephrase: fixed it for now
[20-Oct-2010 14:18:39] <rmatte> k
[20-Oct-2010 14:18:39] <Parabola|W> lets see what happens in a week
[20-Oct-2010 14:18:43] <Parabola|W> ty 
[20-Oct-2010 14:18:46] <Parabola|W>  **
[20-Oct-2010 14:18:46] <rmatte> np
[20-Oct-2010 14:18:51] <Sam-I-Am> nan usually means they're not getting data
[20-Oct-2010 14:18:56] <Parabola|W> not a number
[20-Oct-2010 14:19:11] <Parabola|W> it wouldnt have been confusing if it hadnt been working for the previous two weeks
[20-Oct-2010 14:19:18] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: yeh, but if he removes them, they re-generate, and he gets data, then it means that the RRD files got screwed somehow
[20-Oct-2010 14:19:19] <Parabola|W> no changes to zenoss or os updates/changes and it broke
[20-Oct-2010 14:19:20] <Sam-I-Am> if you still have the old ones, you could use rrdtool to look at when things started
[20-Oct-2010 14:19:30] <Parabola|W> nah i rmed them
[20-Oct-2010 14:24:01] <Parabola|W> cool, the CIO wants to meet me at the place i interviewed at yesterday
[20-Oct-2010 14:24:18] <Sam-I-Am> cool.
[20-Oct-2010 14:24:26] <Parabola|W> Yeah, thats good news
[20-Oct-2010 14:24:27] <Orv> So, I've got a device in maintenance mode (it's down) and zenoss is still pinging it - what's up with that??
[20-Oct-2010 14:24:40] <Parabola|W> Orv, newsflash: zenoss is full retard
[20-Oct-2010 14:24:48] <Parabola|W> think of it like the road runner
[20-Oct-2010 14:24:54] <Parabola|W> he can walk on air because he doesnt know about gravity
[20-Oct-2010 14:25:03] <Parabola|W> zenoss doesnt know any better, so ping works, hehe
[20-Oct-2010 14:25:05] <Orv> Even set a maintenance period for that box - still pings it..
[20-Oct-2010 14:25:05] <Sam-I-Am> Orv: it will still monitor in maint mode
[20-Oct-2010 14:25:10] <Sam-I-Am> Orv: it just wont alert on it
[20-Oct-2010 14:25:21] <Orv> Sam-I-Am: Well, it is - I'm still getting alerts on it.
[20-Oct-2010 14:25:27] <Orv> Let me verify that...
[20-Oct-2010 14:25:28] <Sam-I-Am> it changes sate from production to maint and back again
[20-Oct-2010 14:25:54] <Orv> Yep, it's still alerting..
[20-Oct-2010 14:26:21] <Sam-I-Am> on a particular device or things nested below the device?
[20-Oct-2010 14:26:54] <Sam-I-Am> i know whomever configured groups/devices/systems here the first time does not work well for maintenance windows.
[20-Oct-2010 14:27:00] <Parabola|W> rmatte,  so i restarted zenoss and my processes dropped from 110 to 100 somthing
[20-Oct-2010 14:27:02] <Sam-I-Am> since the dependencies are all screwed up
[20-Oct-2010 14:27:02] <Parabola|W>  erm 1100*
[20-Oct-2010 14:27:20] <Sam-I-Am> what were the leftover processed named?
[20-Oct-2010 14:27:27] <Parabola|W> oh they were all fping
[20-Oct-2010 14:27:30] <Parabola|W> ps doesnt lie
[20-Oct-2010 14:27:42] <Sam-I-Am> hmmmmmm interesting
[20-Oct-2010 14:27:48] <Parabola|W> yea
[20-Oct-2010 14:28:00] <Sam-I-Am> sounds like fping has some sort of issue
[20-Oct-2010 14:28:04] <Parabola|W> 1103 to be exact, 1100 were sleeping
[20-Oct-2010 14:28:08] <Parabola|W> cpu load was still 0.05
[20-Oct-2010 14:28:22] <Parabola|W> my next task is to create an alert based on the results of fping
[20-Oct-2010 14:28:25] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, but zenoss could be waiting for them to terminate... or enough of them arent returning data
[20-Oct-2010 14:29:28] <Sam-I-Am> so why fping over the default method of checking connectivity?
[20-Oct-2010 14:29:38] <Parabola|W> for the graphs
[20-Oct-2010 14:31:33] <Sam-I-Am> looking at RTT?
[20-Oct-2010 14:31:59] <Parabola|W> latency and loss
[20-Oct-2010 14:32:11] <Parabola|W> have hotels being monitored
[20-Oct-2010 14:32:17] <Parabola|W> its good to be able to see the graphs of trouble times..ect
[20-Oct-2010 14:32:24] <Parabola|W> (when you dont have to delete them that is)
[20-Oct-2010 14:34:31] <Sam-I-Am> hmm...
[20-Oct-2010 14:34:36] <Sam-I-Am> question is wtf is going on with fping
[20-Oct-2010 14:34:50] <Sam-I-Am> why would it not terminate itself
[20-Oct-2010 14:34:57] <Sam-I-Am> i dont think its a zenoss thing
[20-Oct-2010 14:35:36] <Sam-I-Am> fping works as a command, right?
[20-Oct-2010 14:37:07] <Parabola|W> i restarted zenoss, and the processes went away
[20-Oct-2010 14:37:19] <Parabola|W> i wipe out my rrd graphs and the new ones work
[20-Oct-2010 14:37:24] <Sam-I-Am> sure... its spawning the processes
[20-Oct-2010 14:37:27] <Parabola|W> right
[20-Oct-2010 14:37:35] <Sam-I-Am> so when the parent terminates, so do the children (if they behave)
[20-Oct-2010 14:37:37] <Parabola|W> it cant be zenoss its an external process
[20-Oct-2010 14:38:13] <Sam-I-Am> your graphs are getting screwed up because zenoss isn't receiving data back from fping either a) in time or b) ever or c) in a format it understands
[20-Oct-2010 14:38:43] <ashp> damn, how do i raise the priority of the high disk space usage monitoring
[20-Oct-2010 14:38:49] <ashp> because it gives it a priority of -1 so i didn't get an email
[20-Oct-2010 14:38:53] <ashp> and then my database ran out of disk
[20-Oct-2010 14:39:42] <Parabola|W> lol
[20-Oct-2010 14:40:00] <Parabola|W> monitoring disk space i should start doing that
[20-Oct-2010 14:40:36] <Parabola|W> hmm, this linux host shows total size of drives
[20-Oct-2010 14:40:39] <Parabola|W> but not used/free
[20-Oct-2010 14:40:43] <ashp> I just wish I knew how to bump the priority :/
[20-Oct-2010 14:40:54] <Parabola|W> for a filesystem?
[20-Oct-2010 14:41:23] <imeyer> Parabola|W: i get the same thing for a few cycles
[20-Oct-2010 14:41:29] <imeyer> and then it detects things correctly
[20-Oct-2010 14:41:34] <imeyer> but i'm using the cmd, not snmp
[20-Oct-2010 14:43:06] <Parabola|W> imeyer, this server has been here for a couple months 
[20-Oct-2010 14:43:14] <Parabola|W> its fine ill figure it out
[20-Oct-2010 14:44:31] <Parabola|W> lol, i try to model, does nothing
[20-Oct-2010 14:44:34] <Parabola|W> i rename it, then model, works!
[20-Oct-2010 14:46:25] <imeyer> weiiird
[20-Oct-2010 14:46:40] <imeyer> yeah, i find the df -kP over ssh is sketchy at best
[20-Oct-2010 14:47:27] <Parabola|W> i'm using snmp
[20-Oct-2010 14:48:01] <Sam-I-Am> Parabola|W: have you looked at the performance of your collector? graphs might tell you over time if something is hanging
[20-Oct-2010 14:49:01] <Parabola|W> hmm
[20-Oct-2010 14:49:16] <Parabola|W> snmp is timing out, version 2c, 10 second timeout
[20-Oct-2010 14:49:21] * Parabola|W kicks the server
[20-Oct-2010 14:51:32] <Sam-I-Am> mmm, meeting time
[20-Oct-2010 14:52:49] <Parabola|W> netstat does not lie
[20-Oct-2010 14:52:53] <Parabola|W> i dont see 161 listening
[20-Oct-2010 15:03:20] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[20-Oct-2010 15:14:10] <ericenns> is there any example as to how I should generate events in def process of a modeler
[20-Oct-2010 15:20:46] <ericenns> will log.warning work?
[20-Oct-2010 15:21:03] <tiredofme> using egors wmiperf zenpack, what would be the appropriate syntax for setting a memory threshold at 90%?
[20-Oct-2010 15:25:20] <tiredofme> using a numeric value, such as .9 doesn't appear to work
[20-Oct-2010 15:29:05] <jmp242> See the admin guide
[20-Oct-2010 15:29:06] <jmp242> docs/DOC-7680#d0e4663
[20-Oct-2010 15:29:36] <jmp242> This seems appliciable
[20-Oct-2010 15:29:36] <jmp242> Minimum Value - If this field contains a value, then each time one of the select data points falls below this value an event is triggered. This field may contain a number or a Python expression.
[20-Oct-2010 15:29:37] <jmp242> When using a Python expression, the variable here references the device or component for which data is being collected. For example, an 85% threshold on an interface might be specified as:
[20-Oct-2010 15:29:37] <jmp242> here.speed * .85/8
[20-Oct-2010 15:29:37] <jmp242> The division by 8 is because interface speed frequently is reported in bits/second, where the performance data is bytes/second.
[20-Oct-2010 15:30:31] <tiredofme> how do I find the variable name for something like available kbytes?
[20-Oct-2010 15:30:52] <tiredofme> I think i'm just failing to understand where these variables are coming from (i.e. here.speed)
[20-Oct-2010 15:33:59] <jmp242> no one knows lol
[20-Oct-2010 15:34:07] <jmp242> you just find them on the forums
[20-Oct-2010 15:34:30] <jmp242> it's kind of like an adventure game (ok, I've been fighting zenoss too much today and want to go home)
[20-Oct-2010 15:34:49] <tiredofme> oh great, that should be a nice headache when I start adding thresholds for IIS...
[20-Oct-2010 15:35:07] <cgibbons> eh you can look at the code or use zendmd to find out what a component has
[20-Oct-2010 15:35:11] <jmp242> seriously, if there's one complaint, it's that the only real way to know what all the variables are is to collect them from helpful forum members who happened to know them
[20-Oct-2010 15:35:14] <jmp242> or to look at the code
[20-Oct-2010 15:35:23] <jmp242> or zendmd yes
[20-Oct-2010 15:35:34] <tiredofme> I'll have to find a zendmd guide now haha
[20-Oct-2010 15:35:41] <jmp242> but it reminds me of TVTrops MoonLogic / GuideDangIt
[20-Oct-2010 15:35:55] <jmp242> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoonLogicPuzzle
[20-Oct-2010 15:35:55] <tiredofme> I like zenoss a lot; my only complaint is how arcane it is
[20-Oct-2010 15:36:01] <jmp242> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GuideDangIt
[20-Oct-2010 15:36:06] <tiredofme> nagios seems like childs play sometimes
[20-Oct-2010 15:36:20] <cgibbons> not that i'm defending it's state - i dislike the fact we don't have a real defined API at these layers. we do now, with the new http/json API, but that's not used by modeler plugins, etc. so it's not a 100% thing yet.
[20-Oct-2010 15:36:44] <jmp242> Zenoss is great - as long as it works. The worst part is how you can inadvertently break the whole install with say, a zenpack
[20-Oct-2010 15:36:55] <tiredofme> I just went through that last week
[20-Oct-2010 15:36:58] <jmp242> or whatever, and have to do a clean install to fix it
[20-Oct-2010 15:37:21] <Simon4> jmp242: general rule, zenbackup --no-eventsdb --no-perfdata before any zenpack install
[20-Oct-2010 15:37:29] <Simon4> gets the zopedb as a very fast snapshot
[20-Oct-2010 15:37:35] <jmp242> Especially when the zenpack only really affects itself for much of the time
[20-Oct-2010 15:37:44] <jmp242> yea, that would make sense (and is good to know)
[20-Oct-2010 15:37:49] <cgibbons> zenpacks need a real API
[20-Oct-2010 15:37:55] * Simon4 learned that lesson a long time ago 
[20-Oct-2010 15:38:08] <jmp242> but my problem - and others - is when you don't know the zenpack broke say in v2.4.5
[20-Oct-2010 15:38:16] <jmp242> and now are trying to fix it for 3.0.2
[20-Oct-2010 15:38:20] <rocket> cgibbons: I agree .. I think we should make that matt's problem ;p
[20-Oct-2010 15:38:21] <jmp242> or whatever
[20-Oct-2010 15:38:38] <cgibbons> that's his job! but he goes off and goofs around with forums and zenpacks submissions instead
[20-Oct-2010 15:38:40] <Simon4> jmp242: yeah - in "core" there's definitely a requirement to keep up with the community and keep involved
[20-Oct-2010 15:38:48] <rocket> 
[20-Oct-2010 15:38:52] <cgibbons> so yeah i totally blame him
[20-Oct-2010 15:38:59] <Simon4> I found it very hard until I hung out in here and kept up with what was changing/going on
[20-Oct-2010 15:39:05] <jmp242> yea - I make a big effort to do that - but untill this time
[20-Oct-2010 15:39:25] <jmp242> I didn't realize I had to update the zenpacks that weren't failing on me so I could update them when you guys changed python versions lol
[20-Oct-2010 15:39:36] <rocket> you guys should just pay for support  .. look how much time you would save ... 
[20-Oct-2010 15:39:56] <Simon4> rocket: we do  I just solved 90% of the issues before I finally talked em into it 
[20-Oct-2010 15:39:59] <jmp242> Yea right - I can get budgets for $1k a year support contracts
[20-Oct-2010 15:40:05] <jmp242> not $100k a year
[20-Oct-2010 15:40:22] <rocket> jmp242: to be fair 3rd party zenpacks werent really supported directly for the upgrade .. :/
[20-Oct-2010 15:40:22] <tiredofme> I'm in the same boat
[20-Oct-2010 15:40:38] <jmp242> yea, but the 3rd party zenpacks are the ones that worked !
[20-Oct-2010 15:40:49] <jmp242> it was the two zenoss core zenpacks that died
[20-Oct-2010 15:40:55] <rocket> lies! 
[20-Oct-2010 15:41:03] <rocket> which ones?
[20-Oct-2010 15:41:06] <Simon4> the 2.5-> 3 upgrade was definitely a big jump, and one that nearly everyone should have been talked into staging on a dev env
[20-Oct-2010 15:41:15] <Simon4> vs just trying on live
[20-Oct-2010 15:41:29] <Simon4> (hindsight = awesome, etc)
[20-Oct-2010 15:41:38] <rocket> the december release will be fairly significant as well just so everyone is warned ..
[20-Oct-2010 15:41:52] <cgibbons> december?
[20-Oct-2010 15:42:02] <Simon4> this is how rumours start 
[20-Oct-2010 15:42:12] <rocket> errr decemberish/january possibility of a release
[20-Oct-2010 15:42:14] <mray> rocket has a very optimistic sense of timing
[20-Oct-2010 15:42:20] <mray> I won my bet about 3.0.3
[20-Oct-2010 15:42:22] <cgibbons> it's been january for a long time
[20-Oct-2010 15:42:24] <rocket> possibly later ..
[20-Oct-2010 15:42:26] <mray> I predict February
[20-Oct-2010 15:42:31] <Simon4> mray: that it's happening?
[20-Oct-2010 15:42:40] <mray> 3.0.3 is definitely happening
[20-Oct-2010 15:42:42] <jmp242> ApacheMonitor and MySQL monitor
[20-Oct-2010 15:42:44] <jmp242> message/53889#53889
[20-Oct-2010 15:42:47] <Simon4> mray: cool
[20-Oct-2010 15:42:52] * Simon4 will tell the team at work
[20-Oct-2010 15:43:03] <jmp242> is another user who sounds like he just installed and randomly got (one of) the issues I had
[20-Oct-2010 15:43:33] <jmp242> I'm not really sure how this happens with a clean install, but I'm also not at all sure what I did that would have broken it. I'm assuming it was when I finally migrated to a new server
[20-Oct-2010 15:43:52] <Simon4> mray: is zenoss looking at any kind of "real-time" additions for monitoring in the pipeline?
[20-Oct-2010 15:43:58] <rocket> jmp242: this was an upgrade or a clean install?
[20-Oct-2010 15:44:04] <Simon4> vs the current polling infrastructure?
[20-Oct-2010 15:44:16] <mray> Simon4: cgibbons could tell you more
[20-Oct-2010 15:44:30] <cgibbons> is there any system out there that does that?
[20-Oct-2010 15:44:45] <mray> yes
[20-Oct-2010 15:45:02] <Simon4> cgibbons:  interested since I'm now "network team" and we're looking to solve the problem of immediate information
[20-Oct-2010 15:45:05] <cgibbons> how? a publish-subscribe mechanism based upon when the source device generates data?
[20-Oct-2010 15:45:09] <jmp242> rocket: ? wich for who?
[20-Oct-2010 15:45:38] * Simon4 has been playing with a very efficient (twisted snmp) collector on network devs which pushes into a set of websockets for subscribed users
[20-Oct-2010 15:45:41] <rocket> for you .. to see the issue did you have a fresh install or was it after an upgrade?
[20-Oct-2010 15:46:02] <jmp242> it is after an upgrade
[20-Oct-2010 15:46:13] <jmp242> I plan on doing a clean install next tuesday to fix this
[20-Oct-2010 15:46:16] <rocket> Simon4: which collector?
[20-Oct-2010 15:46:24] <jmp242> though, now Simon4 is scaring me with the December comment
[20-Oct-2010 15:46:31] <jmp242> >O
[20-Oct-2010 15:46:37] <cgibbons> i might by reading too much into the phrase real-time, since it has a very specific meaning to me.
[20-Oct-2010 15:46:59] <jmp242> cgibbons: I can't see how you can do real-time over ethernet
[20-Oct-2010 15:47:07] <jmp242> too much lag and unpredictibility
[20-Oct-2010 15:47:09] <rocket> as am I .. but I think they are referring to per second monitoring of certain datasets
[20-Oct-2010 15:47:13] <Simon4> rocket: I just wrote a wee proof of concept piece of code using twisted snmp that grabs interface stats as fast as possible from some network kit
[20-Oct-2010 15:47:14] <jmp242> though if you don't mean 'hard' real-time
[20-Oct-2010 15:47:41] <jmp242> even per second updates . . . whooo
[20-Oct-2010 15:47:48] <Simon4> more "not every minute" or "not every 5 minutes"
[20-Oct-2010 15:47:56] <Simon4> which are both far too slow for any hosting environment
[20-Oct-2010 15:48:15] <jmp242> Ahh, I guess so - in my environment every 5 minutes is fine
[20-Oct-2010 15:48:17] <mray> One of our customers uses http://www.itrsgroup.com/
[20-Oct-2010 15:48:17] <Simon4>  - not an easy problem to solve, but very interesting 
[20-Oct-2010 15:48:21] <mray> in additoin to Zenoss
[20-Oct-2010 15:48:54] <Simon4> you can look at say netflow in a large routed env, but in a medium switched environment netflow isn't an option, so something else is needed
[20-Oct-2010 15:49:20] <Firestar> Is there any way to add custom properties to a device's overview page?
[20-Oct-2010 15:49:36] <jmp242> Anyway - back to zenpacks - you guys ought to look at some method to implement a guaranteed uninstaller of them lol
[20-Oct-2010 15:49:49] <cgibbons> hmmmm i disagree with that, that it's far too slow even for hosting. the faster you look the more likely you are to get caught in the hysteresis effect. the only time you truly need immediate monitoring is when you're doing live troubleshooting on an active problem, otherwise you're causing more trouble than anything else.
[20-Oct-2010 15:50:50] <Simon4> cgibbons: sure, so you're not looking at saving data at that resolution, but being able to "looking glass" at it by subscribing to specific bits of your infrastructure would be awesome
[20-Oct-2010 15:51:08] <Simon4> not suggesting just upping collection frequencies to silly values, for sure
[20-Oct-2010 15:51:17] <cgibbons> yeah, that's useful, sorta like zooming in to a specific interface for a troubleshooting issue
[20-Oct-2010 15:51:23] <Simon4> *nod*
[20-Oct-2010 15:51:26] <cgibbons> or logging onto the box so you can see 'top' in live or whatever
[20-Oct-2010 15:51:36] <cgibbons> in any event, to answer the immediate question you had: no, that's not on the roadmap at all. don't know if anyone has been brought it up to our product management people either.
[20-Oct-2010 15:51:45] <Simon4> sweet
[20-Oct-2010 15:52:01] <cgibbons> if it happens, it'll happen as a side-effect because of some other reason. for example, the CIsco UCS ZenPack we have is just about to change to receive data as it changes instead of poll based.
[20-Oct-2010 15:52:07] <Simon4> yeah, was def not a "requirement" , just interested to know if it was on the roadmap, etc
[20-Oct-2010 15:52:14] <Simon4> oh nice
[20-Oct-2010 15:52:23] <cgibbons> but it polls internally so in the end it's just about optimizing the channels we open to the device
[20-Oct-2010 15:52:54] <Simon4> we have some test UCS kit kicking about that I need to spend some time with, and need to point zenoss at it
[20-Oct-2010 15:52:57] <rocket> part of the problem is how we store the data .. we just assume the rrd data will store the data
[20-Oct-2010 15:55:07] <ericenns> Are any of you devs familiar with ZenPacks.zenoss.ZenossVirtualHostMonitor
[20-Oct-2010 15:56:05] <cgibbons> i've seen it in the source tree directory structure...
[20-Oct-2010 15:56:57] <ericenns> yeah I'm using it for my ESXi zenpack and there is one thing that I can't figure out how to change the guest status from DOWN to UP
[20-Oct-2010 15:57:04] <tiredofme> has anyone been bold enough to attempt to store raw performance data into a mysql db?
[20-Oct-2010 15:57:17] <tiredofme> and not just the rrds?
[20-Oct-2010 15:57:18] <mray> ericenns: there's a slightly newer version in Subversion I believe
[20-Oct-2010 15:57:24] <mray> part of the 3.0.3 release
[20-Oct-2010 15:57:30] <ericenns> oh yeah
[20-Oct-2010 15:57:50] <ericenns> hmm is there a list of fixes for it?
[20-Oct-2010 15:58:14] <Sam-I-Am> tiredofme: rrd is way more compact than mysql
[20-Oct-2010 15:58:21] <ericenns> mray: can you post a link to it
[20-Oct-2010 15:58:28] <Sam-I-Am> tiredofme: its a different database method altogther
[20-Oct-2010 15:58:46] <Sam-I-Am> i suppose it might be emulated in mysql, but not sure how well
[20-Oct-2010 15:59:17] <mray> ericenns: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/branches/zenoss-3.0.x/zenpacks/ZenPacks.zenoss.ZenossVirtualHostMonitor
[20-Oct-2010 15:59:29] <tiredofme> Sam-I-Am: I'm aware of its advantages, however a guy that I work with wants to see if its possible to store these values so that we can look at long term trending with custom reports
[20-Oct-2010 15:59:50] <Sam-I-Am> ah
[20-Oct-2010 15:59:57] <Simon4> tiredofme: so I'm plotting doing some tests with a) mysql, b) some nosql type stores
[20-Oct-2010 16:00:07] <Simon4> keen to see if rrd has had it's day with a decent sized system
[20-Oct-2010 16:00:18] <cgibbons> In the next release, there will be an enterprise reporting feature that will be exporting all of the data, including perf data, to a single MySQL instance that can be used for reporting & analytics.
[20-Oct-2010 16:00:20] <Simon4> (pet project)
[20-Oct-2010 16:00:39] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: read from rrd or direct?
[20-Oct-2010 16:00:43] <tiredofme> Simon4: I would be interested to see your results
[20-Oct-2010 16:00:55] <cgibbons> a reporting engine on top of that, and we've done some internal prototyping of some statistical analysis using R
[20-Oct-2010 16:00:59] <Simon4> tiredofme: once I get around to it I'll certainly publish em
[20-Oct-2010 16:01:14] <cgibbons> the data will be exported from RRD at periodic intervals and then stored into the mysql instance
[20-Oct-2010 16:01:30] <mray> zensystemcrusher
[20-Oct-2010 16:01:55] <tiredofme> that's exactly what I'm looking for, too bad I'll have to figure out a way to do it in core
[20-Oct-2010 16:02:00] <tiredofme> no budget for enterprise 
[20-Oct-2010 16:02:33] <cgibbons> I was hoping we'd do the extract part of the feature in core, but that's not in the picture for now
[20-Oct-2010 16:03:00] <tiredofme> understandable
[20-Oct-2010 16:03:07] <ericenns> mray: thanks looks alot nicer
[20-Oct-2010 16:03:37] <tiredofme> we've been brainstorming some ways of accomplishing this, basically we narrowed it down to one of two possibilities:
[20-Oct-2010 16:03:52] <tiredofme> use rrdextract to dump the data to xml, xml to mysql
[20-Oct-2010 16:04:06] <cgibbons> sure
[20-Oct-2010 16:04:13] <ericenns> mray: is there a way to download it from there
[20-Oct-2010 16:04:21] <cgibbons> actually dump it out to csv from rrdexport
[20-Oct-2010 16:04:29] <cgibbons> if you want to get a fast load
[20-Oct-2010 16:04:39] <tiredofme> or insert a layer between the performance collectors that will essentially write the raw data to mysql
[20-Oct-2010 16:04:51] <tiredofme> however I'm not sure if thats entirely feasibly
[20-Oct-2010 16:04:55] <tiredofme> feasible*
[20-Oct-2010 16:05:06] <mray> ericenns: svn co http://dev.zenoss.org/svn/branches/zenoss-3.0.x/zenpacks/ZenPacks.zenoss.ZenossVirtualHostMonitor/ZenPacks/zenoss/ZenossVirtualHostMonitor
[20-Oct-2010 16:05:34] <cgibbons> someone here did a prototype of doing effectively that, except it was just forwarding off the datapoint sample onto a UDP connection that got consumed by something else. handy if you want the data as its polled, and don't care if you miss some.
[20-Oct-2010 16:06:03] <cgibbons> longer term we'll be using AMQP stuff to accomplish that and get it into the database @ sample time
[20-Oct-2010 16:06:15] <cgibbons> we're using AMQP for some new event work in Avalon
[20-Oct-2010 16:06:49] <mray> tiredofme: I know I saw a patchset for RRDTool somewhere that allowed you to have it write to files and dbs
[20-Oct-2010 16:06:57] <tiredofme> thanks for the ideas, I feel a little better knowing that this is at least possible now, up until this point it was just all speculation for us
[20-Oct-2010 16:07:11] <Sam-I-Am> anything is possible, its just a matter of coding it.
[20-Oct-2010 16:07:12] <tiredofme> mray: cool, I'll have to look for that
[20-Oct-2010 16:07:16] <Sam-I-Am> and if it works WELL
[20-Oct-2010 16:07:23] <ericenns> mray: could not read status line error I'm not allowed to do it
[20-Oct-2010 16:07:49] <cgibbons> I would suggest getting very comfortable with the idea of doing it on a periodic polling interval.. you probably don't really need the data fast (really!) and the faster you get it the more architecture you need and the more resiliency you'll need.
[20-Oct-2010 16:08:13] <mray> ericenns: what's that?
[20-Oct-2010 16:08:19] <cgibbons> Also consider using the ARCHIVE storage engine in MySQL; I haven't tried it yet, but effectively performance data is write-once data.
[20-Oct-2010 16:08:44] <ericenns> mray Could not read status line: Connection reset by peer (http://dev.zenoss.org)
[20-Oct-2010 16:08:49] <tiredofme> thats exactly what I was thinking, however, my co-worker really wants the data available on demand
[20-Oct-2010 16:08:57] <ericenns> mray: while trying to a svn co
[20-Oct-2010 16:09:01] <mray> ericenns: that's odd, I just did it
[20-Oct-2010 16:09:16] <tiredofme> but I agree that a slower polling interval is the best way to do it
[20-Oct-2010 16:09:16] <mray> svn co http://dev.zenoss.org/svn/branches/zenoss-3.0.x/zenpacks
[20-Oct-2010 16:09:49] <ericenns> mray: yeah same error
[20-Oct-2010 16:10:14] <cgibbons>   Make them 'the graph'
[20-Oct-2010 16:10:23] <cgibbons> the one that shows you sample time to cost
[20-Oct-2010 16:10:33] <cgibbons> notice that it's exponential, not logarthmic
[20-Oct-2010 16:10:38] <cgibbons> then tell them to STFU
[20-Oct-2010 16:10:40] <cgibbons> or pony up
[20-Oct-2010 16:10:54] <tiredofme> haha, thats a good way of putting it
[20-Oct-2010 16:11:12] <tiredofme> well let me finalize my zenoss setup first, then we'll move onto modding the hell out of it
[20-Oct-2010 16:11:55] <cgibbons> I did some math recently on this, too
[20-Oct-2010 16:12:01] <cgibbons> on the storage requirements
[20-Oct-2010 16:12:06] <cgibbons> it's a lot, but not outrageous
[20-Oct-2010 16:12:23] <mray> ericenns: svn co http://dev.zenoss.com/svn/branches/zenoss-3.0.x/zenpacks ?  switch to zenoss.com?
[20-Oct-2010 16:12:23] <cgibbons> Say 11 TB a year for all the raw data for 25000 devices of about 100 data points average per device
[20-Oct-2010 16:12:35] <tiredofme> hmmm
[20-Oct-2010 16:12:44] <cgibbons> and the reality is you won't have many, even by a long shot, nor would you want every data point
[20-Oct-2010 16:13:12] <cgibbons> so figure you'd want 3 years tops in a database for analysis before it gets too old... ok, that's still within the realm of possibility of management for a single DB server
[20-Oct-2010 16:13:28] <ericenns> mray: same could not read status line error
[20-Oct-2010 16:13:37] <tiredofme> well i'm worried about project bloat, as this will be used for supplying data to a custom dashboard so that management can see pretty graphs
[20-Oct-2010 16:13:55] <cgibbons> with MySQL it would be really tempting to have once instance by the write-instance and then use MySQL replication to allow other instances to get the data and be the ones that do the processing
[20-Oct-2010 16:13:57] <tiredofme> so I'm concerned that there will be a push to collect almost every metric
[20-Oct-2010 16:14:02] <ericenns> mray: I tried a random svn website and I succeded but not dev zenoss ones
[20-Oct-2010 16:14:15] <mray> ericenns: crazy...
[20-Oct-2010 16:14:25] <cgibbons> if you just want custom, pretty graphs....
[20-Oct-2010 16:14:34] <cgibbons> you can get the data from RRD in real-time via  an xmlrpc API
[20-Oct-2010 16:14:52] <tiredofme> using getrrd()?
[20-Oct-2010 16:14:55] <ericenns> mray: yeah it's weird maybe if I try later on it will work
[20-Oct-2010 16:14:59] <cgibbons> so if you wanted to watch 10 data points on  your dashboard, you could just grab that data then, format it using your fancy tool, then you don't have to store it
[20-Oct-2010 16:15:47] <tiredofme> i think theyre more concerned with being able to compare it to data, lets say 3 months back
[20-Oct-2010 16:16:05] <tiredofme> as opposed to just having the graphs accessible
[20-Oct-2010 16:16:17] <cgibbons> yeah, so a real reporting dashboard then
[20-Oct-2010 16:16:21] <tiredofme> exactly
[20-Oct-2010 16:16:28] <tiredofme> on a shoe-string budget
[20-Oct-2010 16:16:45] <cgibbons> they should totally fire you and use the saved $ to pay for enterprise then!
[20-Oct-2010 16:16:49] <cgibbons> er wait, did i say that outloud? 
[20-Oct-2010 16:16:58] <tiredofme> uhhhhh.....
[20-Oct-2010 16:17:02] <cgibbons> lol teasing
[20-Oct-2010 16:17:32] <xuru> hehe
[20-Oct-2010 16:17:59] <mray> ericenns: check your email
[20-Oct-2010 16:18:12] <tiredofme> thanks for the ideas, I feel more confident in our ability to accomplish this now
[20-Oct-2010 16:18:23] <tiredofme> time to go screw around with zendmd...
[20-Oct-2010 16:18:25] <ericenns> mray: thanks
[20-Oct-2010 16:18:30] <mray> tiredofme: I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of community project starts up around this feature, it comes up frequently
[20-Oct-2010 16:18:31] <cgibbons> I'll give you a line of code to go check out
[20-Oct-2010 16:18:33] <cgibbons> or function anyway
[20-Oct-2010 16:18:41] <cgibbons> check out RRDDaemon.py, and look at the writeRRD function
[20-Oct-2010 16:19:21] <tiredofme> mray: great, thats something to watch out for
[20-Oct-2010 16:19:33] <cgibbons> er wait I made that up
[20-Oct-2010 16:19:50] <tiredofme> haha
[20-Oct-2010 16:20:11] <cgibbons> ZenCollector/daemon.py, writeRRD
[20-Oct-2010 16:20:32] <cgibbons> that's in the 'new' collector framework, and not all collector daemons have been converted to use it, but the rest of them do effectively the same code
[20-Oct-2010 16:20:54] <tiredofme> awesome, I'll have a look at it
[20-Oct-2010 16:56:29] <ericenns> mray: I notice an error in that zenpack you sent you
[20-Oct-2010 16:56:35] <ericenns> mray: I mean me
[20-Oct-2010 16:57:36] <xuru> ericenns: what is the timeout on esxi_performance.pl?  I'm getting a lot of command timed out warnings...   is that just the zComamndLoginTimeout?
[20-Oct-2010 16:58:03] <ericenns> I have mine set to 15.0
[20-Oct-2010 16:58:17] <ericenns> never mind thats standard
[20-Oct-2010 16:58:25] <xuru> mine was at 10 for some reason
[20-Oct-2010 16:58:45] <ericenns> oh hmm well try 15 and let me know
[20-Oct-2010 16:58:53] <ericenns> the command can take a while
[20-Oct-2010 16:58:57] <xuru> bumped it up to 20... they are busy machines
[20-Oct-2010 16:59:17] <ericenns> xuru: ok cool
[20-Oct-2010 17:01:17] <ericenns> xuru: I have some zendmd commands you can do to get rid of the duplicate Guest in 3.0.x
[20-Oct-2010 17:01:36] <xuru> oh, sweet
[20-Oct-2010 17:01:48] <ericenns> I'm going to post it on my website
[20-Oct-2010 17:01:59] <xuru> cool, thanks
[20-Oct-2010 17:02:37] <xuru> well, this can't be good...
[20-Oct-2010 17:02:57] <xuru> database conflict error (oid 0x0c30, class BTrees.IIBTree.IITreeSet, ...
[20-Oct-2010 17:03:12] <ericenns> oh yeah whats that from
[20-Oct-2010 17:03:32] <xuru> zenhub
[20-Oct-2010 17:03:35] <ericenns> xuru: fix posted here http://futamill.ca/
[20-Oct-2010 17:04:47] <rocket> xuru .. Go to http://YOURZENOSS:8080/manage
[20-Oct-2010 17:04:48] <rocket> Click on "temp_folder"
[20-Oct-2010 17:04:48] <rocket> Click on "session_data"
[20-Oct-2010 17:04:48] <rocket> Change the "Timeout resolution (in seconds)" value from 20 to 1200.
[20-Oct-2010 17:04:48] <rocket> Click "Change". This will change the setting immediately, but will not survive a Zenoss restart. To make this change permanent you will also want to perform the following steps.
[20-Oct-2010 17:04:51] <rocket> Edit $ZENHOME/etc/zope.conf
[20-Oct-2010 17:04:53] <rocket> Search for "session-resolution-seconds"
[20-Oct-2010 17:04:56] <rocket> Add the following line below it
[20-Oct-2010 17:04:58] <rocket> session-resolution-seconds 1200
[20-Oct-2010 17:05:01] <rocket> Save zope.conf
[20-Oct-2010 17:05:53] <rocket> now if only I can make irssi scroll back .. I forgot to start inside of screen :/
[20-Oct-2010 17:06:22] <xuru> heh
[20-Oct-2010 17:06:37] <xuru> I get Site Error
[20-Oct-2010 17:06:37] <xuru> An error was encountered while publishing this resource.
[20-Oct-2010 17:06:37] <xuru> Sorry, a site error occurred.
[20-Oct-2010 17:07:00] <ericenns> xuru: from my change?
[20-Oct-2010 17:07:10] <xuru> no, don't think so
[20-Oct-2010 17:07:28] <xuru> going to shut it down and relink
[20-Oct-2010 17:07:34] <ericenns> xuru: ok well try a zopectl restart
[20-Oct-2010 17:15:10] <xuru> err  reindex I mean
[20-Oct-2010 17:16:54] <xuru> ericenns: worked like a charm (the duplicate Guests thing)  thanks
[20-Oct-2010 17:17:07] <ericenns> xuru: yeah no problem
[20-Oct-2010 17:22:24] <xuru> hmm... what device class do you give a fiber switch?
[20-Oct-2010 17:23:54] <ericenns> xuru: you don't happen to use DellEqualLogic SANs do you
[20-Oct-2010 17:24:11] <xuru> yeah, we have a couple
[20-Oct-2010 17:24:27] <xuru> or one I think
[20-Oct-2010 17:24:38] <xuru> we use Pillar for our production machines though
[20-Oct-2010 17:24:47] <ericenns> xuru: well I just added my zenpack for that too my website I have tested it on a Dell EqualLogic 6010xv
[20-Oct-2010 17:25:00] <xuru> oooo
[20-Oct-2010 17:25:20] <ericenns> those are all the ones I have developed
[20-Oct-2010 17:25:29] <xuru> downloading 
[20-Oct-2010 17:25:40] <ericenns> ok cool
[20-Oct-2010 17:39:23] <ericenns> when I export an egg in zenoss it autogenerates __ini__.py code which is wrong
[20-Oct-2010 17:53:04] <xuru> anyone know what the mysql username/password is by default?
[20-Oct-2010 17:55:25] <xuru> ERROR:zen.ZenPackCmd:zenpack command failed
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[20-Oct-2010 21:31:11] <john---_> hey i'm trying to debug a modeler plugin i'm writing, is there a way i can model a specific device via the command line
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[21-Oct-2010 07:17:21] <fragfutter> *hm* chrome can't access url /++resource++zenui/js/zenoss/devdetail.js
[21-Oct-2010 09:24:13] <ericenns> morning
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[21-Oct-2010 09:38:29] <Sam-I-Am> moo
[21-Oct-2010 09:39:34] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: so I have already done a few fixes to my ESXi zenpacks from xuru testing
[21-Oct-2010 09:40:57] <Sam-I-Am> woot
[21-Oct-2010 09:41:18] <Sam-I-Am> i have not installed them yet... sysmin does not have cluster up yet
[21-Oct-2010 09:41:47] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: oh ok not a problem
[21-Oct-2010 09:46:17] <beng_> is anyone familiar with setting memory thresholds for wmi data sources? I've been trying with the following: "${here/hw/totalMemory},/,100,*.9"
[21-Oct-2010 09:46:29] <beng_> I can't seem to get it to work though
[21-Oct-2010 09:47:39] <Parabola> good morning
[21-Oct-2010 09:48:43] <ericenns> beng_: have you tried replacing '/' with '.'
[21-Oct-2010 09:49:10] <beng_> ericenns: no, let me give that a try
[21-Oct-2010 09:51:23] <beng_> ericenns: when I look through ZenPacks/community/WMIPerf_Windows/objects/objects.xml I see several options available: "${here/hw/totalMemory},/,100,*" "1024,*,${here/hw/totalMemory},/,1,-,-100,*" or "1024,*,${dev/hw/totalMemory},/,100,*"
[21-Oct-2010 09:52:00] <beng_> ericenns: for PerfOSMemory_memoryAvailableKBytes
[21-Oct-2010 09:53:43] <ericenns> beng_: have you tried looking at the templates
[21-Oct-2010 09:54:37] <beng_> ericenns: from within the Zenoss ui?
[21-Oct-2010 09:54:42] <ericenns> beng_: yes
[21-Oct-2010 09:54:58] <BryanWB> hey folks, my boss wants some compelling reasons to use zenoss instead of nagios. Can anyone point me to online reviews/blog articles comparing the 2? I have searched google and only found a few random ML threads discussing the subject
[21-Oct-2010 09:55:07] <ericenns> if in 3.0.X that is ADVANCED/Monitoring Templates
[21-Oct-2010 09:55:11] <beng_> ericenns: yes, there was no threshold set for high memory utilization
[21-Oct-2010 09:56:56] <ericenns> beng_: I'm going to look at one thing
[21-Oct-2010 10:00:42] <beng_> ericenns: it seems like setting a memory threshold as a percentage is fairly difficult to accomplish. I haven't been able to find anything on the forums
[21-Oct-2010 10:01:25] <ericenns> beng_: I have done it before
[21-Oct-2010 10:03:45] <ericenns> beng_: you are trying to set Maximum Value for a MinMaxThreshold correct
[21-Oct-2010 10:04:06] <beng_> ericenns: correct, something like 90% max
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[21-Oct-2010 10:04:52] <ericenns> beng_: ok well it doesn't use rpn and example is this "here.totalBlocks * .9"
[21-Oct-2010 10:05:20] <ericenns> beng_: so yours might look like "here.hw.totalMemory * .9"
[21-Oct-2010 10:05:37] <beng_> ericenns: ok, let me try that
[21-Oct-2010 10:05:47] <beng_> ericenns: where did you look to obtain that variable?
[21-Oct-2010 10:06:47] <ericenns> I installed ZenPacks.community.WMIPerf_Windows-2.4 and at the template FileSystem for /CIM/WMI
[21-Oct-2010 10:07:05] <ericenns> beng_: then I looked at the threshold high disk usage
[21-Oct-2010 10:08:00] <Sam-I-Am> meh @ insanely stressful mornings
[21-Oct-2010 10:09:56] <ericenns> no fun
[21-Oct-2010 10:10:22] <beng_> ericenns: I think that worked, I'm not seeing any errors. I just set it to a lower threshold so I can verify that its working (something like .3)
[21-Oct-2010 10:10:44] <ericenns> beng_: ok cool
[21-Oct-2010 10:12:35] <beng_> ericenns: I don't see the threshold appearing on the graph though
[21-Oct-2010 10:12:58] <ericenns> beng_: where is the template bound too?
[21-Oct-2010 10:13:13] <beng_> ericenns: /cim/wmi/win2003
[21-Oct-2010 10:13:37] <ericenns> does the template name show up the device under templates?
[21-Oct-2010 10:14:07] <Parabola> how is zenoss with spaces in device names?
[21-Oct-2010 10:14:12] <Parabola> im trying to make the emails more friendly
[21-Oct-2010 10:14:15] <beng_> ericenns: yep
[21-Oct-2010 10:14:36] <ericenns> beng_: and what does your data point report in ?
[21-Oct-2010 10:15:02] <beng_> ericenns: it actually seems like the threshold isn't working, I haven't seen any events regarding high memory usage despite setting the threshold at a much lower level
[21-Oct-2010 10:15:46] <beng_> ericenns: PerOSMemory_memoryAvailableKBytes
[21-Oct-2010 10:16:05] <ericenns> so it reports in KBytes?
[21-Oct-2010 10:16:35] <beng_> ericenns: correct, that's probably got something to do with it
[21-Oct-2010 10:18:19] <ericenns> beng_: Ok hmm I'm not sure If bigegor gets on here you may wan't to ask him I don't use WMI
[21-Oct-2010 10:19:02] <beng_> ericenns: will do. I just changed it to "1024 / here.hw.totalMemory * .3" and I was just alerted that the threshold was exceeded
[21-Oct-2010 10:19:29] <beng_> ericenns: the threshold line now shows, but it's at the 100 mark, not 30, where it should be
[21-Oct-2010 10:19:38] <ericenns> oh ok
[21-Oct-2010 10:20:20] <ericenns> beng_: try this "(here.hw.totalMemory / 1024) * .3"
[21-Oct-2010 10:22:00] <beng_> ericenns: that brought the threshold line down to about 75%
[21-Oct-2010 10:22:18] <beng_> ericenns: I think we're on the right track, just seems like its slightly irregular
[21-Oct-2010 10:22:40] <ericenns> rmatte: you here?
[21-Oct-2010 10:23:41] <ericenns> beng_: so now that I think of it this threshold won't work, but if you use a zenpack rmatte made we might be able to have this working nicely
[21-Oct-2010 10:24:26] <beng_> ericenns: what zenpack is that?
[21-Oct-2010 10:24:34] <Parabola> hmm
[21-Oct-2010 10:25:10] <ericenns> beng_: It isn't on the community site, it is a mathimatical datasource where you can take a datapoint and perform math on it
[21-Oct-2010 10:26:02] <beng_> ericenns: interesting. ughh what a headache this has been
[21-Oct-2010 10:26:29] <ericenns> beng_: but I have another Idea it won't graph the threshold but we might get an alert, try this "(here.hw.totalMemory / 1024) * .3"
[21-Oct-2010 10:26:52] <ericenns> beng_: were doing this cause your datapoint is in kBytes and totalMemory is in bytes
[21-Oct-2010 10:27:00] <Sam-I-Am> so how do you guys use groups and systems in zenoss?
[21-Oct-2010 10:27:53] <beng_> ericenns: gotcha, I just changed the threshold, let's see what happens
[21-Oct-2010 10:28:36] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: I haven't used groups yet but I here some ISP's that use zenoss use that to group there busines clients in
[21-Oct-2010 10:29:02] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: or if a colo center was using zenoss, then a group would be per client
[21-Oct-2010 10:29:10] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: my thoughts at least
[21-Oct-2010 10:30:07] <beng_> ericenns: I think that did it
[21-Oct-2010 10:30:14] <ericenns> beng_: ok cool
[21-Oct-2010 10:30:24] <beng_> ericenns: the graph is incorrect, but it appears that the threshold is at least accurate
[21-Oct-2010 10:30:35] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: yeah, its a bit vague... extensible, yet vage.
[21-Oct-2010 10:30:57] <Sam-I-Am> systems and groups are similar... yet not.
[21-Oct-2010 10:31:01] <ericenns> beng_: the reason the threshold wont appear is that the graph does math on the data point before it displays it
[21-Oct-2010 10:31:11] <beng_> ericenns: thank you for putting me on the right track
[21-Oct-2010 10:31:15] <ericenns> beng_: but I may have a solution to that
[21-Oct-2010 10:32:11] <ericenns> beng_: ok yeah I got no solution for graphing the threshold, but at least you got alerts
[21-Oct-2010 10:32:26] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: yeah thats true
[21-Oct-2010 10:32:43] <beng_> ericenns: yeah, thats all that really matters. Now time to figure out paging, etc..
[21-Oct-2010 10:33:51] <ericenns> beng_: yeah well have fun
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[21-Oct-2010 10:57:02] <Sam-I-Am> anyone know why the default ethernet templates use derive instead of counter?
[21-Oct-2010 10:57:36] <Sam-I-Am> some people seem to like counter, while others like derive w/ an rrd minimum of 0
[21-Oct-2010 10:57:54] <Sam-I-Am> i've never really had an issue with counter, but i noticed zenoss was different out of the box
[21-Oct-2010 11:05:11] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: derive with minimum of zero deals with counter resets better than counter
[21-Oct-2010 11:05:18] <Simon4> it stores NaN vs a huge spike
[21-Oct-2010 11:09:37] <Sam-I-Am> what about rollovers?
[21-Oct-2010 11:10:27] <Simon4> rollovers just store a NaN for the single rollover value
[21-Oct-2010 11:11:17] <Sam-I-Am> ah
[21-Oct-2010 11:11:26] * Sam-I-Am wishes he could apply templates to groups
[21-Oct-2010 11:33:15] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: that would get too complex from a hierarchical standpoint
[21-Oct-2010 11:33:59] <ericenns> rmatte: I got an idea for your mathematical data source
[21-Oct-2010 11:34:26] <ericenns> rmatte: being able to use values like here.hw.memoryTotal
[21-Oct-2010 11:34:48] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, i just have an issue where juniper devices for company A get xyz RRD CF values and those for company B get another.  i was hoping to only make one template for juniper stuff with those RRD create values.  however, for the official rollout (outside of my small testing box) i can probably do those on a per-collector basis.
[21-Oct-2010 11:36:09] <rmatte> ericenns: yeh, I'll have to add that in eventually
[21-Oct-2010 11:36:42] <ericenns> rmatte: also can it handle like + 1000
[21-Oct-2010 11:36:57] <rmatte> ericenns: what do you mean "like + 1000"?
[21-Oct-2010 11:37:13] <ericenns> eq. $DataPoint1 + 1000
[21-Oct-2010 11:37:22] <rmatte> yes
[21-Oct-2010 11:37:27] <rmatte> It can handle anything
[21-Oct-2010 11:37:28] <ericenns> ok cool
[21-Oct-2010 11:37:35] <rmatte> except for the here. properties
[21-Oct-2010 11:37:39] <ericenns> yeah
[21-Oct-2010 11:37:58] <rmatte> you can literally do: $DataPoint1 + $DataPoint2 / sqrt($DataPoint3) + 1000
[21-Oct-2010 11:38:09] <rmatte> or...
[21-Oct-2010 11:38:17] <rmatte> you can literally do: $DataPoint1+$DataPoint2/sqrt($DataPoint3)+1000
[21-Oct-2010 11:38:32] <rmatte> adding the ability to use the here. properties shouldn't be too difficult
[21-Oct-2010 11:39:31] <ericenns> rmatte: yeah hopefully
[21-Oct-2010 11:39:45] <rmatte> my next update is going to add the ability to use the here. properties and I'm thinking of working in some performance enhancements to speed things up a bit
[21-Oct-2010 11:39:56] <rmatte> though it's pretty fast as is
[21-Oct-2010 11:40:06] <ericenns> rmatte: ok cool
[21-Oct-2010 11:40:06] <rmatte> only takes about 2 seconds to return a result
[21-Oct-2010 11:42:13] <ericenns> rmatte: ok I need to figure out how to fix my one zenpack because when I export it errors get added to it in the autogenerat __init__
[21-Oct-2010 11:42:44] <rmatte> strange
[21-Oct-2010 11:42:52] <ericenns> yeah really weird
[21-Oct-2010 11:43:12] <rmatte> well, you could export it, unzip it, drop the proper __init__ in, and then zip it back up again
[21-Oct-2010 11:43:29] <rmatte> just make sure it's a .egg when you zip it back up
[21-Oct-2010 11:43:31] <ericenns> rmatte: it wrecks other files then that though
[21-Oct-2010 11:43:43] <rmatte> ?
[21-Oct-2010 11:43:51] <rmatte> hmmm
[21-Oct-2010 11:44:02] <rmatte> you could just zip up the folder instead of doing an actual export
[21-Oct-2010 11:44:05] <rmatte> and then rename it to a .egg
[21-Oct-2010 11:44:17] <rmatte> that way the files will stay how you intend them to
[21-Oct-2010 11:44:25] <ericenns> rmatte: oh ok well I have another idea
[21-Oct-2010 11:44:27] <rmatte> though the export generates an objects.xml file
[21-Oct-2010 11:44:43] <rmatte> but you could just grab that and throw it in to your pack before zipping it
[21-Oct-2010 11:47:20] <Parabola> hey guys
[21-Oct-2010 11:47:34] <Parabola> if i rename a device, does that change / remove the DNS name it was added with?
[21-Oct-2010 11:47:50] <Parabola> i have a bunch of devices i ping that the name is just the DNS name, i'd like to friendly them up
[21-Oct-2010 11:50:54] <rmatte> Parabola: you can't have 2 names for a device
[21-Oct-2010 11:51:25] <rmatte> You can rename them, but you're not going to have the dns name anywhere afterwards
[21-Oct-2010 11:51:32] <rmatte> Zenoss monitors by IP anyways though
[21-Oct-2010 11:52:53] <Parabola> renaming will break the name?
[21-Oct-2010 11:52:59] <Parabola> rmatte these are DYNAMIC hosts 
[21-Oct-2010 11:53:05] <Parabola> remember that little script yesterday to reset the ips?
[21-Oct-2010 11:53:09] <Parabola> this applies to the same hosts
[21-Oct-2010 11:53:22] <rmatte> your script won't work if you rename them
[21-Oct-2010 11:53:30] <Parabola> 
[21-Oct-2010 11:53:31] <rmatte> Zenoss has to have something to go on
[21-Oct-2010 11:53:38] <rmatte> there's only 1 spot for a hostname
[21-Oct-2010 11:53:42] <Parabola> wow
[21-Oct-2010 11:53:51] <Parabola> this product continues to amaze me
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:03] <Parabola> so if i change that display name, and its a dyamic host
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:04] <rmatte> Honestly man, name another product that can hold 2 names for a device
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:06] <Parabola> i have no way to resolve again
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:07] <rmatte> I've never seen one
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:10] <cgibbons> zenoss has 2 names
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:12] <Parabola> its called zabbix
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:12] <rmatte> and I've seen quite a few
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:18] <cgibbons> there's the manageIp for a device, and then tehre is the title
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:22] <cgibbons> you can make the title be whatever the heck you want
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:22] <Parabola> you can set a display name in zabbix
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:37] <Parabola> and you can set it to use a static ip, or a DNS name.
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:44] <Parabola> and its all right in the webGUI, i'm lookin at it now
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:44] <rmatte> cgibbons: is the title something new in 3.0?
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:48] <cgibbons> no 2.5.x
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:52] <cgibbons> or maybe 2.4.x
[21-Oct-2010 11:54:55] <rmatte> I've never noticed it
[21-Oct-2010 11:55:17] * rmatte checks around
[21-Oct-2010 11:55:18] <Parabola> cgibbons: i have these DSL line offices that renew every 24 hours or so, i have them added by DNS names
[21-Oct-2010 11:55:31] <Parabola> cgibbons i have a script set to wipe out the ips and resolve again
[21-Oct-2010 11:55:38] <cgibbons> the name() function on a device or component actually calls titleOrId(); if a title is set it uses that, ortherwise it  uses the Id
[21-Oct-2010 11:55:40] <Parabola> if i do a device rename, will it break that?
[21-Oct-2010 11:55:43] <rmatte> yeh, what cgibbons is saying is that there's a title that you can set
[21-Oct-2010 11:56:04] <rmatte> It'll override what you see in the last, but not affect the management name
[21-Oct-2010 11:56:16] <rmatte> I didn't know that they had added that
[21-Oct-2010 11:56:20] <Parabola> i'm not gonna lie i'm kind of nervious to change this
[21-Oct-2010 11:56:22] <cgibbons> I will say that your use case, dynamic hosts, is not one zenoss is tailored for. People don't usually run data centers that way. I realize that's not what you're monitoring, but it's a really, really infrequently requested feature.
[21-Oct-2010 11:56:45] <rmatte> yeh, monitoring dynamic hosts is a rare thing to encounter
[21-Oct-2010 11:56:56] <rmatte> but it's something that will need to be tackled eventually
[21-Oct-2010 11:57:03] <fragfutter> cgibbons: add dhcp without fixed ip addresses and it becomes more common
[21-Oct-2010 11:57:22] <rmatte> fragfutter: yeh, if you're monitoring workstations
[21-Oct-2010 11:57:29] <rmatte> fragfutter: which is also rare
[21-Oct-2010 11:57:29] <fragfutter> rmatte: also servers
[21-Oct-2010 11:57:39] <rmatte> why would you have servers with dhcp addresses?
[21-Oct-2010 11:57:44] <rmatte> that's a bit, dumb
[21-Oct-2010 11:57:51] * rmatte shrugs
[21-Oct-2010 11:58:06] <ericenns> static dhcp where maybe once in a bluemoon you change the ip?
[21-Oct-2010 11:58:12] * Simon4 has toyed with the idea in a heavily virtualised environment before, if your dns is good enough it shouldn't make any difference at all
[21-Oct-2010 11:58:25] <cgibbons> When you add a device, it'll determine then it's manageIp value via DNS or whatever (or try); the device id uses the DNS name if available or the IP address if not. the title is not set. you can set a friendly title value in the GUI or when zendmd and that'll be what shows up in most places you see the device (the UI, reports, etc.). but the id of the device is still what the original one was; as is the manage Ip.
[21-Oct-2010 11:58:46] <cgibbons> you can change the manageIp and title all day long; but changing the id is a true device "rename" and that changes how the device is looked up by zenoss itself.
[21-Oct-2010 11:59:04] <rmatte> cgibbons: I'm not seeing a way to set a title in 2.5, maybe I'm just blind
[21-Oct-2010 11:59:11] <cgibbons> sec
[21-Oct-2010 11:59:31] <cgibbons> that old UI is so intuitive rmeember 
[21-Oct-2010 11:59:56] <rmatte> I like the old UI honestly, the new one is nice but incredibly crammed
[21-Oct-2010 12:00:05] <rmatte> lose 1/3 of the horizontal space
[21-Oct-2010 12:00:37] <cgibbons> in 2.5.x on the add device screen it was the the title field in the Attributes section, right-hand column, right above the comments. On an existing device, it's in the Edit table in the same place.
[21-Oct-2010 12:00:57] <rmatte> ah ok
[21-Oct-2010 12:01:12] <rmatte> yeh, I see it now
[21-Oct-2010 12:01:37] <rmatte> I try to avoid the edit screen in 2.5 since it's impossible to use it and maintain the OS Make and OS Version info
[21-Oct-2010 12:01:40] <rmatte> it gets cleared
[21-Oct-2010 12:03:04] <cgibbons> in the 3.0 UI, the add dialog has the title on the right; in the device Overview screen the 'Device Name' field is changing the title. if you want to change the id you'd have to use the Rename Device command from the gear menu.
[21-Oct-2010 12:03:27] <rmatte> That "Device Name" field is confusing
[21-Oct-2010 12:03:33] <rmatte> it should be renamed to "Device Title"
[21-Oct-2010 12:03:45] <rmatte> everyone assumed it renames the management name of the device
[21-Oct-2010 12:03:50] <Parabola> Hmm
[21-Oct-2010 12:03:55] <Parabola> Heres why i want to rename
[21-Oct-2010 12:04:08] <Parabola> I am formatting the alert emails all nice and pretty, so clients can get them
[21-Oct-2010 12:04:21] <Parabola> ie, the chain of stores owner can get an email when one of his stores loses internet
[21-Oct-2010 12:04:34] <Parabola> The problem is, getting a no-ip dyndns name isnt the best way to do it
[21-Oct-2010 12:04:42] <rmatte> Parabola: just go to each device, there's a "Device Name" field on the overview page
[21-Oct-2010 12:04:46] <cgibbons> yep, and that's a really good use case for title
[21-Oct-2010 12:04:47] <rmatte> change that to whatever you want
[21-Oct-2010 12:04:49] <cgibbons> unfortunately for you
[21-Oct-2010 12:04:52] <rmatte> and the management hostname will be kept
[21-Oct-2010 12:04:54] <cgibbons> title doesn't get sent out on alerts.... that's a bug
[21-Oct-2010 12:04:57] <Parabola> Hmm
[21-Oct-2010 12:05:04] <Parabola> ...
[21-Oct-2010 12:05:07] <rmatte> oh
[21-Oct-2010 12:05:08] <Parabola> you're killing me smalls
[21-Oct-2010 12:05:11] <rmatte> lol
[21-Oct-2010 12:05:17] <cgibbons> you can fix it for us 
[21-Oct-2010 12:05:18] <cgibbons> i'll even review it!
[21-Oct-2010 12:05:24] <cgibbons> should be easy
[21-Oct-2010 12:06:59] <rmatte> cgibbons: you couldn't do something like %(title)s in the message format?
[21-Oct-2010 12:07:07] <cgibbons> no idea, haven't used that feature at all myself
[21-Oct-2010 12:07:10] <rmatte> ah guess not
[21-Oct-2010 12:07:13] <rmatte> those are evt. values
[21-Oct-2010 12:07:23] <rmatte> the title would need to be an event value
[21-Oct-2010 12:08:31] <cgibbons> seriously, I do think it's an easy thing to fix
[21-Oct-2010 12:09:15] <cgibbons> lemme find that defect #
[21-Oct-2010 12:09:22] <Parabola> find it ill take a look
[21-Oct-2010 12:09:34] <rmatte> well, you'd have to make it pull titleOrId from the device instead of the devicename and be able to call on it with %(device)s
[21-Oct-2010 12:09:50] <rmatte> It's probably a bit more complex than it looks
[21-Oct-2010 12:09:56] <cgibbons> 7249
[21-Oct-2010 12:10:01] <rmatte> since it's pulling the device name in the alert from the event
[21-Oct-2010 12:10:04] <cgibbons> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/7249
[21-Oct-2010 12:10:10] <rmatte> and the event has the device management name
[21-Oct-2010 12:10:19] <rmatte> so you'd have to have the event come in with the title instead
[21-Oct-2010 12:10:41] <rmatte> but then that could potentially open up another can of worms
[21-Oct-2010 12:11:16] <rmatte> in terms of linking and reporting
[21-Oct-2010 12:11:22] <ericenns> cgibbons: I found an error with one of the core zenpacks and I have a fix for it, who do I notify
[21-Oct-2010 12:11:31] <cgibbons> mray
[21-Oct-2010 12:11:44] <mray> open a ticket
[21-Oct-2010 12:11:49] <ericenns> ok
[21-Oct-2010 12:11:51] <mray> with the patch attached
[21-Oct-2010 12:20:44] <Parabola> cgibbons YES I've run into that i already know the fix
[21-Oct-2010 12:21:02] <Parabola> If you rename on the main page, it does have that issue, the giveaway is the URL
[21-Oct-2010 12:21:11] <Parabola> if you click the gear and rename the device, it works fine
[21-Oct-2010 12:29:30] <john---_> is there a way i can run zenmodeler against a specific device?
[21-Oct-2010 12:29:45] <Simon4> zenmodeler run -d device
[21-Oct-2010 12:29:48] <rmatte> john---_: you mean from the commandline or the UI?
[21-Oct-2010 12:29:56] <rmatte> ^^what he said
[21-Oct-2010 12:30:00] <cgibbons> yes that would be the workaround, parabola
[21-Oct-2010 12:34:22] <makkalot> hi which version of zope was used for zenoss 3.0.2 ?
[21-Oct-2010 12:34:38] <mray> 2.12.2 I believe
[21-Oct-2010 12:34:51] <rmatte> makkalot: Advanced -> Settings -> Versions
[21-Oct-2010 12:35:08] <makkalot> mray: it uses still old zope hmm
[21-Oct-2010 12:35:23] <arrrghhh> hey all, i'm wondering if i can get error statistics from my frame-relay connections.  i had to create a special monitoring template for the frame-relay connections, while the ppp connections just use the default ethernetCsmacd template.
[21-Oct-2010 12:35:29] <rmatte> Zope 2.12.1
[21-Oct-2010 12:35:35] <rmatte> according to the versions page for 3.0.2
[21-Oct-2010 12:36:43] <john---_> thanks i'll try -d
[21-Oct-2010 12:36:57] <john---_> oh
[21-Oct-2010 12:37:18] <Sam-I-Am> arrrghhh: you can get anything that speaks snmp
[21-Oct-2010 12:37:38] <arrrghhh> Sam-I-Am, all my routers do.
[21-Oct-2010 12:37:48] <Sam-I-Am> you might need to make a template based on the interface type zenoss sees.. which isnt necessarily one of the standards listed in iftype
[21-Oct-2010 12:38:13] <arrrghhh> Sam-I-Am, yea i created a special monitoring template "frame-relay"
[21-Oct-2010 12:38:28] <arrrghhh> and i removed the ifOutErrors and ifInErrors because they were causing those bogus events.
[21-Oct-2010 12:38:58] <arrrghhh> how can i tell what the data points are called...?
[21-Oct-2010 12:39:35] <Sam-I-Am> does frame not indicate errors as ifouterrors/ifinerrors?
[21-Oct-2010 12:40:20] <arrrghhh> I can try adding it back, but I'm sure I removed them because they were causing those grey errors... man it's been a while i forgot what those errors even were.
[21-Oct-2010 12:40:29] <arrrghhh> probably just unable to get this snmp metric or some such.
[21-Oct-2010 12:40:47] <elc0> why would a device with class = /ping be throwing events event_class=/status/wmi and saying "could not read the windows event log"
[21-Oct-2010 12:41:00] <elc0> I thought setting the class to /ping would only do ping monitoring
[21-Oct-2010 12:42:45] <Sam-I-Am> arrrghhh: you could try snmpwalking it
[21-Oct-2010 12:44:05] <elc0> I notice my /ping class has zWinEventLog=true.  i could try setting to false, but im not exactly sure what I am doing =/  not sure why ping would be expect event logs
[21-Oct-2010 12:45:14] <arrrghhh> Sam-I-Am, i did the snmpwalk and did "|grep error" and it came up with nothing...
[21-Oct-2010 12:45:27] <Sam-I-Am> that doesnt necessarily work
[21-Oct-2010 12:45:32] <Sam-I-Am> well, depending on what was before it
[21-Oct-2010 12:45:35] <arrrghhh> lol ok.
[21-Oct-2010 12:45:42] <arrrghhh> i don't know what i'm looking for in the entire walk
[21-Oct-2010 12:45:53] <Sam-I-Am> snmpwalk -v 2c -c yourcommunity device.dns.name iferror
[21-Oct-2010 12:45:57] <Sam-I-Am> and see what comes up
[21-Oct-2010 12:45:59] <arrrghhh> ok
[21-Oct-2010 12:46:29] <arrrghhh> unknown object identifier
[21-Oct-2010 12:49:46] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, take off 'iferror' and see what comes up
[21-Oct-2010 12:50:04] <Sam-I-Am> er, its gonna be ifinerror and ifouterror
[21-Oct-2010 12:50:06] <Sam-I-Am> stupid brain
[21-Oct-2010 12:52:42] <arrrghhh> yea it's flooding me with ridiculousness when i just do the command with nothing.
[21-Oct-2010 12:52:44] <arrrghhh> oh
[21-Oct-2010 12:52:45] <arrrghhh> haha
[21-Oct-2010 12:52:55] <rmatte> Updated version of my Formula Data Source ZenPack http://dmon.org/downloads/zenoss/zenpacks/ZenPacks.community.FormulaDataSource-1.4-py2.4.egg
[21-Oct-2010 12:52:57] <arrrghhh> hey that did work
[21-Oct-2010 12:52:59] <arrrghhh> wth
[21-Oct-2010 12:53:07] <arrrghhh> in&out
[21-Oct-2010 12:53:09] <rmatte> Includes the ability to use here. device properties now, such as here.hw.totalMemory
[21-Oct-2010 12:53:27] <arrrghhh> how do you copy a template in 3.x?
[21-Oct-2010 12:54:08] <arrrghhh> I guess I could just disable my frame-relay template, but i'm pretty sure i created it for a reason...
[21-Oct-2010 12:54:23] <rmatte> http://dmon.org/downloads/zenoss/zenpacks/ZenPacks.community.FormulaDataSource-1.4.egg
[21-Oct-2010 12:54:31] <rmatte> just renamed it to remove the py2.4 since it's cross compatible
[21-Oct-2010 12:55:22] <Sam-I-Am> arrrghhh: good question
[21-Oct-2010 12:55:45] <arrrghhh> it seems that ability was removed...?
[21-Oct-2010 12:55:47] <Sam-I-Am> arrrghhh: so to get the snmp oid for those, just do -On in snmpwalk
[21-Oct-2010 12:56:25] <Sam-I-Am> i'd hope its still there... somewhere
[21-Oct-2010 12:56:50] <arrrghhh> yea i didn't realize i'm killing myself on all these frame-relay circuits.
[21-Oct-2010 12:57:13] <Sam-I-Am> i didnt know frame relay existed anymore
[21-Oct-2010 12:57:29] <arrrghhh> lol all our new ckts are frame-relay for some reason.
[21-Oct-2010 12:57:35] <arrrghhh> i don't get why they're not using ppp, but whatever.
[21-Oct-2010 12:57:41] <rmatte> yeh, I monitor a ton of frame-relay stuff
[21-Oct-2010 12:57:48] <rmatte> it's still pretty common
[21-Oct-2010 12:57:56] <Sam-I-Am> frame relay is a circuit type, not a transport layer
[21-Oct-2010 12:58:05] <Sam-I-Am> (you can run hdlc or ppp over frame, t-1, whatever)
[21-Oct-2010 12:58:09] <arrrghhh> true.
[21-Oct-2010 13:00:33] <elc0> I am getting zeneventlog errors on my /ping devices.  they seem to be looking for eventlogs via WMI.  Are /ping device intended to do this by default?
[21-Oct-2010 13:01:19] <arrrghhh> Sam-I-Am, ah that was the problem.  the OIDs from the default template don't match up 
[21-Oct-2010 13:01:22] <rmatte> elc0: check the properties for the class
[21-Oct-2010 13:01:54] <rmatte> elc0: you probably have the zWinEventlog property set to True
[21-Oct-2010 13:01:59] <Sam-I-Am> arrrghhh: yep... i usually build templates on a per-device (each model of whatever) basis... make sure those are good
[21-Oct-2010 13:02:23] <arrrghhh> yea
[21-Oct-2010 13:02:29] <arrrghhh> i was trying to be lazy, so many devices 
[21-Oct-2010 13:02:31] <Sam-I-Am> the default interface-type templates should work, but certain things just act weird.
[21-Oct-2010 13:02:42] <elc0> rmatte, yes it is set to true.  just seems strange that it would be set to true.  I can set it to false, but just trying to understand the idea behind it being set at true
[21-Oct-2010 13:02:43] <arrrghhh> indeed.
[21-Oct-2010 13:02:43] <rmatte> yup
[21-Oct-2010 13:02:45] <Sam-I-Am> heh, one thing zenoss has taught me is there is no lazy.
[21-Oct-2010 13:02:54] <arrrghhh> bwhahaha
[21-Oct-2010 13:02:57] <rmatte> elc0: did you change it to true at the /Device level?
[21-Oct-2010 13:03:07] <rmatte> elc0: lower levels inherit from higher levels
[21-Oct-2010 13:03:31] <arrrghhh> i keep hoping i can find a relatively hands off network monitoring system.  zenoss seems pretty good once you get it setup.  seems to be true of all of them tho.
[21-Oct-2010 13:03:39] <elc0> rmatte, ok.  i dont think we did, but I cannot be certain.  doesnt sound like i am overlooking anything obvious then.
[21-Oct-2010 13:03:40] <rmatte> elc0: it should be set to false on every class by default
[21-Oct-2010 13:03:48] <rmatte> elc0: you would have had to have changed it to true
[21-Oct-2010 13:03:56] <Sam-I-Am> arrrghhh: the previous incarnation of zenoss here was set up lazily without any planning and all it did was make people hate it.
[21-Oct-2010 13:04:00] <elc0> rmatte, ok.  probably one of my co-workers here =)
[21-Oct-2010 13:04:15] <rmatte> elc0: It sounds like someone messed around with it, find out what layer they set it to true and and change it there
[21-Oct-2010 13:04:18] <Sam-I-Am> arrrghhh: its good once you get done setting it up... correctly, that is.
[21-Oct-2010 13:04:24] <rmatte> only set it at the layer that you need it at
[21-Oct-2010 13:04:37] <elc0> rmatte, thanks
[21-Oct-2010 13:04:40] <rmatte> np
[21-Oct-2010 13:11:31] <Orv> Anyone else finding the community.zenoss.org website really slow at this moment?
[21-Oct-2010 13:12:15] <rmatte> Orv: it slows down from time to time, it's mostly the images from third party sites that take ages to load
[21-Oct-2010 13:12:37] <rmatte> it's actually working pretty well for me right now
[21-Oct-2010 13:12:46] <rmatte> yeh, stuff is loading normally
[21-Oct-2010 13:13:17] <Orv> OK, thanks.
[21-Oct-2010 13:15:12] <rmatte> well, time to get food
[21-Oct-2010 13:15:13] <rmatte> afk
[21-Oct-2010 13:37:22] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[21-Oct-2010 13:38:13] <aramisbear> is there any material out there on using Zenoss to monitor Rackspace Cloud Servers or Slicehost?
[21-Oct-2010 13:40:46] <rmatte> aramisbear: not as far as I've seen, I know it supports amazon ec2
[21-Oct-2010 13:41:07] <aramisbear> haven't been able to find much either
[21-Oct-2010 13:41:34] <arrrghhh> so i always forget, when i update a template do i have to do anything to have it take effect or does it do so automatically...?
[21-Oct-2010 13:41:41] <aramisbear> surprising though, I'd heard that the Rackspace Cloud had made a pretty heft dent in Amazon's market share
[21-Oct-2010 13:41:49] <rmatte> Rackspace actually uses Zenoss, so I'm not sure if there's something in enterprise for managing their cloud stuff
[21-Oct-2010 13:42:18] <rmatte> arrrghhh: updated templates immediately take effect
[21-Oct-2010 13:42:20] <aramisbear> yea, I'd hoped so
[21-Oct-2010 13:42:26] <arrrghhh> cool.
[21-Oct-2010 13:42:30] <arrrghhh> let's see...
[21-Oct-2010 13:43:14] <Parabola> cgibbons, even with the Title bug, is there anyway to get the display name / title to show up in the alert emails?
[21-Oct-2010 13:43:16] <rmatte> aramisbear: http://gevaperry.typepad.com/main/2010/09/have-google-app-engine-and-microsoft-azure-surpassed-rackspace.html
[21-Oct-2010 13:43:40] <cgibbons> dunno, i haven't used the feature
[21-Oct-2010 13:44:08] <xuru> what causes heartbeat failures?
[21-Oct-2010 13:44:16] <rmatte> Parabola: I doubt it, the variables used in the alert layout are event properties, and there is no title property for events
[21-Oct-2010 13:44:29] <ericenns> anyone know how to delete a zenProperty from within zendmd
[21-Oct-2010 13:44:36] <rmatte> %(device)s refers to evt.device
[21-Oct-2010 13:44:48] <Parabola> ahh
[21-Oct-2010 13:44:50] <Parabola> rmatte dang 
[21-Oct-2010 13:44:58] <st3v3o> Is there a way to adjust the check interval for ip service checks ?
[21-Oct-2010 13:45:07] <xuru> ericenns: I do
[21-Oct-2010 13:45:37] <st3v3o> also does anyone know how 3.0.2 does an IP service check …is this via telnet or does it also use snmp ?
[21-Oct-2010 13:45:56] <ericenns> xuru: sweet like I totaly want to remove it, I have some invalid properties I need to get rid of
[21-Oct-2010 13:46:17] <rmatte> ericenns, I just messaged you the method
[21-Oct-2010 13:48:13] <rmatte> cgibbons: is this not the correct way to remove a zProperty...?
[21-Oct-2010 13:48:17] <Parabola> grr
[21-Oct-2010 13:48:18] <rmatte> >>> ch = devices
[21-Oct-2010 13:48:18] <rmatte> >>> ch._delProperty('zTest')
[21-Oct-2010 13:48:19] <rmatte> >>> commit()
[21-Oct-2010 13:48:28] <cgibbons> uhhh
[21-Oct-2010 13:48:39] <cgibbons> i've only done it with the ui
[21-Oct-2010 13:48:53] <rmatte> ah, via management interface?
[21-Oct-2010 13:49:13] <cgibbons> sorry misunderstanding. you don't mean a local override, you mean removing the existence of the zProperty from the system...
[21-Oct-2010 13:49:20] <cgibbons> one sec
[21-Oct-2010 13:49:22] <rmatte> yessir
[21-Oct-2010 13:49:33] <cgibbons> maybe if you buy me something shiny i'll fix it for you, parabola
[21-Oct-2010 13:49:36] <rmatte> oh, I see, what I just showed was removing an override I guess
[21-Oct-2010 13:49:38] <cgibbons> really really shiny
[21-Oct-2010 13:49:41] <cgibbons> like tinsel or something
[21-Oct-2010 13:49:45] <rmatte> haha
[21-Oct-2010 13:49:55] <rmatte> or a shiny cowbell
[21-Oct-2010 13:50:02] <rmatte> more cowbell baby!
[21-Oct-2010 13:50:08] <ericenns> Moar
[21-Oct-2010 13:50:10] <cgibbons> It got marked a P4 so it's not likely to get fixed, ever, but I think it's more important than that myself.
[21-Oct-2010 13:50:23] <xuru> seriously, what causes heartbeat failures?  All of my processes are not doing anything, and racking up those failures
[21-Oct-2010 13:50:40] <cgibbons> heartbeat is supposed to indicate that a daemon isn't doing its job ,i.e. it's blocked or down
[21-Oct-2010 13:50:46] <cgibbons> which daemon(s) are you getting heartbeats for?
[21-Oct-2010 13:50:49] <cgibbons> er errors for
[21-Oct-2010 13:50:55] <xuru> all of them
[21-Oct-2010 13:51:04] <cgibbons> that would be bad
[21-Oct-2010 13:51:09] <xuru> zenmodeler, zentrap, zenstatus, zenping..
[21-Oct-2010 13:51:16] <cgibbons> i'd be checkin' the zenhub log to see if something is amiss
[21-Oct-2010 13:51:36] <xuru> I'm tailing all the logs, and there is nothing coming into the logs
[21-Oct-2010 13:51:58] <xuru> every now and then ZenAction puts processed 1 rules in 0.54 secs
[21-Oct-2010 13:52:00] <cgibbons> pick one of the daemons, like say zenmodeler, and run it interactively in debug, too, and see if you get any more info: zenmodeler run -v10 -c
[21-Oct-2010 13:52:01] <xuru> but that's it
[21-Oct-2010 13:53:19] <xuru> suddenly all the apps start up....
[21-Oct-2010 13:53:24] <rmatte> cgibbons: So my ticket on automated event aging not working for Critical events being marked as a P4 means it's likely to just sit there for another 15 months?
[21-Oct-2010 13:53:51] <xuru> strange...  it's like I had to kick start it with a model in order to get it going...
[21-Oct-2010 13:54:03] <cgibbons> I'd say more like forever unless someone takes pity on the defect or some more information comes in that makes it a higher priority.
[21-Oct-2010 13:54:33] <rmatte> I see it higher than a p4 personally, event aging doesn't work properly
[21-Oct-2010 13:54:36] <rmatte> I had to code my own
[21-Oct-2010 13:54:46] <cgibbons> We all have a bunch of pet-peeve P4's that we try & fix at the start of a release dev cycle but we're pretty overwhelmed this time.
[21-Oct-2010 13:54:49] <rmatte> and it's not like it's an uncommon feature
[21-Oct-2010 13:55:09] <rmatte> yeh, the focus seems to be more on new features rather than fixing old bugs
[21-Oct-2010 13:55:12] * rmatte shrugs
[21-Oct-2010 13:55:34] <rmatte> though I know there's a mountain of old bugs
[21-Oct-2010 13:55:44] <rmatte> some of them probably aren't even valid anymore lol
[21-Oct-2010 13:55:47] <cgibbons> dunno what to tell you. the review of the defects has dev, support, product mgmt representatives that weigh in on it, so P4s don't happen if anyone thinks its important
[21-Oct-2010 13:56:18] <cgibbons> but you know, not everyone agrees with the final decision on a defect assignment either 
[21-Oct-2010 13:57:24] <rmatte> yeh, the event aging thing is a pretty glaringly obvious issue though, who do I have to bribe to get the priority upped on that?
[21-Oct-2010 13:57:36] * rmatte grins
[21-Oct-2010 13:57:41] <cgibbons> what's the defect?
[21-Oct-2010 13:57:48] <rmatte> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5366
[21-Oct-2010 13:57:58] <rmatte> It's still present in 3.0
[21-Oct-2010 13:58:00] <cgibbons> although unless it's gonna be turned into a P1 it's not likely to get any time either, we're swamped
[21-Oct-2010 13:59:00] <rmatte> If you go to events -> event manager there is a "Event Aging Threshold" with a "Don't age this severity and above" dropdown
[21-Oct-2010 13:59:22] <rmatte> the problem is, the highest option in the dropdown is Critical, and there's no way to get it to disregard the dropdown
[21-Oct-2010 13:59:31] <rmatte> so zenoss sees that as "Don't age Critical and above"
[21-Oct-2010 13:59:45] <rmatte> so it's impossible to get it to move Critical events to history automatically
[21-Oct-2010 13:59:49] <rmatte> it'll move everything else though
[21-Oct-2010 14:00:09] <rmatte> I had to code a function in to a daemon that I wrote to do it
[21-Oct-2010 14:02:24] <rmatte> It's not really a problem for me anymore since I came up with my own solution, but users less resourceful than myself would be hitting a roadblock if they wanted that functionality
[21-Oct-2010 14:03:00] <rmatte> Even if it gets turned in to a p2 or p3, at least it will eventually get looked at, not just sit in a black hole
[21-Oct-2010 14:10:51] <cgibbons> when I get done code reviewing this one thing I'll look @ your issue Parabola
[21-Oct-2010 14:28:55] <Parabola>  thanks man
[21-Oct-2010 14:31:24] <imeyer> how does the "page" functionality work?
[21-Oct-2010 14:31:37] <imeyer> can it just be another email address?
[21-Oct-2010 14:35:23] <st3v3o> mray you available ?
[21-Oct-2010 14:36:10] <mray> st3v3o: yeah
[21-Oct-2010 14:37:38] <st3v3o> in 3.0.2 what method is used for tcp/udp IP service checks ?
[21-Oct-2010 14:38:05] <st3v3o> also does the status cycle interval still apply to the cycle for those checks ?
[21-Oct-2010 14:38:33] <mray> zenstatus is the daemon, I don't really know off the top of my head
[21-Oct-2010 14:39:40] <st3v3o> ok, I'll keep searching the forums..maybe its hidden 
[21-Oct-2010 14:53:02] <rmatte> imeyer: no, page uses SNPP
[21-Oct-2010 14:53:07] <rmatte> docs/DOC-3044
[21-Oct-2010 14:54:03] <rmatte> imeyer: though there's a page command listed under settings which could technically be edited to use a command to send an email instead
[21-Oct-2010 14:55:31] <rmatte> imeyer: page would be a phone number, but if your pager accepts email then just use the email action
[21-Oct-2010 14:56:05] <rmatte> imeyer: If you're sending it to a pager change plaintext to true
[21-Oct-2010 14:57:19] <imeyer> yah, issue being i don't want to have two seperate users for escalation purposes
[21-Oct-2010 14:57:28] <imeyer> like, i don't want an email at 3 am. i want an sms
[21-Oct-2010 14:57:35] <imeyer> i'll look into changing the pager command
[21-Oct-2010 15:02:03] <rmatte> why would you need 2 different users?
[21-Oct-2010 15:02:11] <rmatte> you can just setup 2 different alert rules on the same user
[21-Oct-2010 15:02:20] <imeyer> i use groups for email
[21-Oct-2010 15:02:31] <imeyer> so it goes to each user in that group.. to their email
[21-Oct-2010 15:02:32] <rmatte> ah
[21-Oct-2010 15:02:45] <imeyer> but say i want them to go to their sms email
[21-Oct-2010 15:02:57] <imeyer> then i'd need another email field or, two users
[21-Oct-2010 15:03:40] <rmatte> yeh, in that case you'll need to change the snpp field
[21-Oct-2010 15:03:44] <rmatte> I've seen it done before
[21-Oct-2010 15:03:53] <rmatte> have a search on the community site
[21-Oct-2010 15:05:32] <imeyer> thanks 
[21-Oct-2010 15:07:04] * mray sighs
[21-Oct-2010 15:07:10] <mray> updated the FAQ: docs/DOC-4724#HowdoIcopytemplatesinZenoss3
[21-Oct-2010 15:09:26] <arrrghhh> Sam-I-Am, so i've got it setup, but the OIDs it's pulling seem to be wrong.
[21-Oct-2010 15:09:58] <arrrghhh> i told it to pull from .1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.20, and it's telling me .1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.20.561 is bad... i didn't tell it to look at 561, where is it getting that value from?
[21-Oct-2010 15:10:30] <Parabola> aww
[21-Oct-2010 15:10:37] <Parabola> so my script to reset IPs isnt workign 
[21-Oct-2010 15:12:59] <Parabola> mray: does this look right? http://pastebin.com/MA43AWLv
[21-Oct-2010 15:16:10] <mray> I assume you have a /Ping/Dynamic device class?
[21-Oct-2010 15:16:19] <Parabola> yup
[21-Oct-2010 15:16:22] <Parabola> and the device is in there
[21-Oct-2010 15:16:48] <Parabola> wait, what severity level is two !! ?
[21-Oct-2010 15:16:58] <mray> 2 is info
[21-Oct-2010 15:17:03] <Parabola> 2 red ones
[21-Oct-2010 15:17:04] <Parabola> is info?
[21-Oct-2010 15:17:10] <mray> I think so
[21-Oct-2010 15:17:14] <mray> 5 is critical?
[21-Oct-2010 15:17:14] <Parabola> thats retarded
[21-Oct-2010 15:17:27] <Parabola> we are 110% not talking about the same thing
[21-Oct-2010 15:17:34] <Parabola> jesus who made this UI?
[21-Oct-2010 15:18:26] <Parabola> i ment the Icon
[21-Oct-2010 15:18:43] <Parabola> okay so the command is setup right as far as rules are concerned
[21-Oct-2010 15:18:52] <Parabola> if its in ping/dynamic and its critical, run the script
[21-Oct-2010 15:19:20] <Parabola> hmm i do see though in the event details, it says "eventClass     /Status/Ping"
[21-Oct-2010 15:19:30] <Parabola> however i'm looking at it, and it is in the /Ping/Dynamic
[21-Oct-2010 15:25:36] <Parabola>      Error running: resolve IPs: /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpecte
[21-Oct-2010 15:25:43] <Parabola> mray the script apparently isnt right?
[21-Oct-2010 15:26:43] <Parabola> forgive me for being a little slow, but do i need to call this from some app, or somthing?
[21-Oct-2010 15:26:49] <Parabola> or should what i pasted just work?
[21-Oct-2010 15:26:53] <mray> you can call it from zendmd
[21-Oct-2010 15:27:08] <mray> community/documentation/wiki/zendmd
[21-Oct-2010 15:27:23] <mray> and probably docs/DOC-3217
[21-Oct-2010 15:28:08] <Parabola> okay, so you cant just run that command i had then
[21-Oct-2010 15:28:21] <mray> zendmd is a Python shell with the zope object database already loaded
[21-Oct-2010 15:28:29] <mray> nope
[21-Oct-2010 15:28:40] <Parabola> yeah, half the issue is everyone in here assumes everyone knows python
[21-Oct-2010 15:28:55] <mray> yeah, that's a problem
[21-Oct-2010 15:28:58] <Parabola> you saying call it from zendmd doesnt honestly help me 
[21-Oct-2010 15:28:59] <mray> at least it's not Perl
[21-Oct-2010 15:29:02] <Parabola> true
[21-Oct-2010 15:29:13] <st3v3o> THANK GOD! its not perl
[21-Oct-2010 15:29:18] <Parabola> the 2nd link looks like a winner i guess
[21-Oct-2010 15:29:40] <mray> hey hey, the Dev Guide is finally updated
[21-Oct-2010 15:29:41] <mray> docs/DOC-9284
[21-Oct-2010 15:29:55] <elc0> is perl the new php?
[21-Oct-2010 15:29:56] <mray> it's finally 3.0-compatible
[21-Oct-2010 15:30:01] <elc0> been outa scripting for a while
[21-Oct-2010 15:31:40] <imeyer> elc0: ha, what?
[21-Oct-2010 15:31:55] <elc0> just seen the verbal jabs at perl
[21-Oct-2010 15:31:59] <imeyer> perl | php < everything else
[21-Oct-2010 15:32:33] <elc0> is that statement based on performance?
[21-Oct-2010 15:32:37] <elc0> stability?
[21-Oct-2010 15:32:40] <elc0> just curious
[21-Oct-2010 15:32:46] <imeyer> based on trollability
[21-Oct-2010 15:32:52] <cgibbons> hateful
[21-Oct-2010 15:32:59] <imeyer> 
[21-Oct-2010 15:33:11] <elc0> i see
[21-Oct-2010 15:33:28] <imeyer> in the end, they're all the same to me
[21-Oct-2010 15:33:38] <imeyer> whichever you're most comfortable with
[21-Oct-2010 15:33:56] <mray> VB FTW!
[21-Oct-2010 15:34:00] <imeyer> !
[21-Oct-2010 15:34:26] <mray> no one wins when it comes to scripting with Windows
[21-Oct-2010 15:34:33] <elc0> lol
[21-Oct-2010 15:34:38] <elc0> very true
[21-Oct-2010 15:34:51] <elc0> if its more involved than batch scripting im out
[21-Oct-2010 15:34:59] <elc0> .net ftl
[21-Oct-2010 15:35:22] <Parabola> ic
[21-Oct-2010 15:35:25] <Parabola> ick
[21-Oct-2010 15:35:25] <cgibbons> powershell is nice
[21-Oct-2010 15:35:29] <elc0> though I'm surely not qualified to say that.
[21-Oct-2010 15:35:36] <cgibbons> too bad it didn't exist in say, '94
[21-Oct-2010 15:35:54] <Parabola> ffs
[21-Oct-2010 15:36:06] <Parabola> how do you execute a python script ?
[21-Oct-2010 15:36:22] <Parabola> im trying to google this and its just not working, i cant make a test run because i need to make sure that the event command runs it
[21-Oct-2010 15:36:40] <mray> Parabola: try this
[21-Oct-2010 15:36:46] <mray> just run zendmd as the zenoss user
[21-Oct-2010 15:36:51] <mray> then type in your script
[21-Oct-2010 15:37:00] <mray> if that works, you know you've got the syntax right at least
[21-Oct-2010 15:37:10] <Parabola> but im still left with the actual problem
[21-Oct-2010 15:37:17] <Parabola> of i need this to be automated
[21-Oct-2010 15:37:22] <mray> right, but get the script right first
[21-Oct-2010 15:37:34] <mray> then setup an event command and it'll be fine
[21-Oct-2010 15:37:51] <Parabola> you're again assuming i know how to do that
[21-Oct-2010 15:38:02] <Parabola> the syntax of it im sure is fine
[21-Oct-2010 15:38:07] <mray> I'll walk you through it, it's pretty easy
[21-Oct-2010 15:38:09] <Parabola> my issue is i dont know how to call dmd from the script
[21-Oct-2010 15:38:39] <mray> docs/DOC-3217 is the link for doing that
[21-Oct-2010 15:38:53] <mray> that will wrap your zendmd script with the Python harness
[21-Oct-2010 15:38:58] <mray> so it's a stand-alone script
[21-Oct-2010 15:39:27] <Parabola> its fine ill figure it out, i need a little break, i know you're trying to help and i thank you
[21-Oct-2010 15:39:42] <Parabola> but you're not understanding my question, i've already got it wrapped in python
[21-Oct-2010 15:39:49] <Parabola> thanks again matt, have a good afternoon
[21-Oct-2010 15:39:56] <ericenns> Parabola|W: python blah.py
[21-Oct-2010 15:40:11] <ericenns> Parabola: runs a python script in a terminal
[21-Oct-2010 15:40:31] <ericenns> Parabola: or chmod +x blah.py, then ./blah.py
[21-Oct-2010 15:40:35] <cgibbons> parabola: take your paste: http://pastebin.com/MA43AWLv and put itnto where it says "your script here" in mray's link
[21-Oct-2010 15:40:46] <cgibbons> that's it, done. you've now got a shell script that does your thing anywhere.
[21-Oct-2010 15:41:08] <Parabola> thanks eric, the python *.py is what i needed
[21-Oct-2010 15:41:27] <ericenns> Parabola: no problem
[21-Oct-2010 15:41:32] <Parabola> i know i could have tested and figured it out, but i didnt want to excute this and have the Down devices to get fixed
[21-Oct-2010 15:42:06] <cgibbons> a regular .py script isn't going to work  unless you've loaded the zendmd framework like that link shows.
[21-Oct-2010 15:42:26] <Parabola> cgibbons yes, i already did all that
[21-Oct-2010 15:42:54] <Parabola> all i was looking for, was how to excute it from that command field in the webgui.
[21-Oct-2010 15:43:11] <cgibbons> a few lines ago you said you don't know how to call dmd from the script.
[21-Oct-2010 15:43:17] <cgibbons> you're being very unclear.
[21-Oct-2010 15:43:41] <Parabola> read up a bit more, matt linked the link you both linked over again 10min ago
[21-Oct-2010 15:43:47] <Parabola> i said "2nd link looks like a winner"
[21-Oct-2010 15:43:53] <Parabola> i'm sorry if im being unclear
[21-Oct-2010 15:54:40] <rmatte> bah, there's an uptimeStr() function but no uptime() function just to dump it as plain timeticks
[21-Oct-2010 15:55:13] <cgibbons> .sysUpTime()
[21-Oct-2010 15:55:36] <rmatte> excellent, thanks
[21-Oct-2010 15:57:51] <cgibbons> I can relate to the frustration factor you're feeling right now, Parabola. Software's 2nd purpose in life I think...
[21-Oct-2010 15:58:35] <Parabola> cgibbons yeah, again dont think i meant any of it to sound like i was mad at you guys
[21-Oct-2010 15:58:49] <Parabola> i know you're just trying to help, communication mixup tied into my lack of experience makes for a fun afternoon
[21-Oct-2010 15:59:04] <Parabola> i did get it working like a boss though, i put the script in the zenhome folder, worked right away
[21-Oct-2010 15:59:12] <Parabola> is this somthing i can make a zenpack out of somehow?
[21-Oct-2010 15:59:22] <Parabola> someone else out there has to be in a similar situation
[21-Oct-2010 15:59:39] <cgibbons> There's a whole lot of firehose to drink from when you start using advanced Zenoss before you're comfortable with it... on the flip side then you can do anything.
[21-Oct-2010 15:59:41] <cgibbons> sure
[21-Oct-2010 16:00:35] <mray> Parabola: so it's a new device class with an event command for resetting ip addresses?
[21-Oct-2010 16:00:44] <mray> when ping goes down on those?
[21-Oct-2010 16:00:58] <Parabola> mray yup 
[21-Oct-2010 16:01:19] <mray> let me check if you can put event commands into a zenpack through the UI
[21-Oct-2010 16:01:30] <Parabola> anytime any device in /Ping/Dynamic goes down, it resets the IPs for all devices in that folder
[21-Oct-2010 16:01:37] <mray> yeah, that's handy
[21-Oct-2010 16:01:42] <Parabola> erm sed s/folder/class
[21-Oct-2010 16:02:27] <mray> I don't see that as a UI option… cgibbons is there a better way to do that?
[21-Oct-2010 16:02:30] <Parabola> i actually still need to get that zenpack out for the dell MD3000i
[21-Oct-2010 16:02:44] <mray> cgibbons: isn't there access to dmd via transforms?
[21-Oct-2010 16:02:49] <cgibbons> yeah
[21-Oct-2010 16:02:51] <Parabola> cgibbons agreed, but in my job thats the case 9/10, i dont get time to research things before doing them for the most part
[21-Oct-2010 16:02:59] <Parabola> cgibbons its usually "this needs done" and i just figure it out
[21-Oct-2010 16:03:03] <cgibbons> i hear ya
[21-Oct-2010 16:03:11] <Parabola> i hate it, leaves big knowledge gaps
[21-Oct-2010 16:03:42] <Parabola> mray has anyone submitted a zenpack for the snmp traps for dell md3000i ?
[21-Oct-2010 16:03:56] <arrrghhh> parabola, i think it's like that almost everywhere.  sometimes i research stuff and then they lax on it for 8 months, and then we need to implement quickly.  so i have to go and review all my 8 month old research.  maddening.
[21-Oct-2010 16:03:56] <Parabola> i didnt see one on the page last time i looked
[21-Oct-2010 16:04:04] <cgibbons> yeah I think you could do that with a transform pretty easily come to think o fit
[21-Oct-2010 16:04:17] <Parabola> arrrghhh +1
[21-Oct-2010 16:04:24] <mray> Parabola: MIBs? or MIBs and event class mappings?
[21-Oct-2010 16:04:29] <Parabola> yeah
[21-Oct-2010 16:04:36] <mray> Parabola: there's this: docs/DOC-4537
[21-Oct-2010 16:05:01] <Parabola> oh cool
[21-Oct-2010 16:05:30] <mray> not exactly the same thing, but on the same track/vendor
[21-Oct-2010 16:05:31] <Parabola> if i can save at least one person the trouble i went through getting this auto resolve setup, i'm all for a bit of work
[21-Oct-2010 16:08:19] <mray> Parabola: if you want to do the IP address reset in a zenpack, you'll need to move your logic from your script to an event transform
[21-Oct-2010 16:08:50] <cgibbons> you can include a script in the libexec dir of a zenpack, too. but is it that the event command can't be added to a zenpack?
[21-Oct-2010 16:09:05] <mray> not through the UI at least
[21-Oct-2010 16:09:21] <ericenns> mray: that dell zenpack you posted can I get the source to make it 3.0.X compat?
[21-Oct-2010 16:09:24] <mray> I don't know of any examples off the top of my head of that
[21-Oct-2010 16:09:48] <mray> ericenns: source is linked at the bottom
[21-Oct-2010 16:09:54] <mray> it's also in the GitHub repo
[21-Oct-2010 16:10:24] <ericenns> mray: ok so If I update it do I just send it to you?
[21-Oct-2010 16:10:32] <mray> yeah
[21-Oct-2010 16:10:50] <mray> there's also a py2.6 build already here: http://dev.zenoss.org/zenpacks/
[21-Oct-2010 16:11:04] <mray> if you want to test and see if it just works
[21-Oct-2010 16:11:05] <ericenns> oh well then I wont worry about it
[21-Oct-2010 16:11:11] <ericenns> I can test it though
[21-Oct-2010 16:11:14] <mray> it still needs testing
[21-Oct-2010 16:11:28] <rmatte> sweet, I think I got this ifLastChange threshold worked out, if this works it's going to be awesome
[21-Oct-2010 16:12:57] <Parabola> sorry im back
[21-Oct-2010 16:13:04] <Parabola> lunch of the champions
[21-Oct-2010 16:13:05] <Parabola> hot pocket
[21-Oct-2010 16:13:50] <Parabola> mray is there any documentation on creating an event transform?
[21-Oct-2010 16:14:01] <Parabola> ( dont even know what it is  )
[21-Oct-2010 16:14:59] <mray> ericenns: http://github.com/zenoss/Community-Zenpacks is the GitHub repo FYI
[21-Oct-2010 16:15:08] <mray> Parabola: community/documentation/official_documentation/zenoss-guide
[21-Oct-2010 16:15:09] <ericenns> mray: thanks
[21-Oct-2010 16:15:21] <mray> grab yourself the PDF or EPUB, it's easier to search
[21-Oct-2010 16:15:51] <mray> docs/DOC-7738#d0e7108
[21-Oct-2010 16:16:30] <Parabola> alright i'll work on this
[21-Oct-2010 16:16:38] <Parabola> if i have any questiosn (good chance) mind if i ask here?
[21-Oct-2010 16:16:50] <Parabola> or is RTFM the answer
[21-Oct-2010 16:17:19] <arrrghhh> parabola, if it's in the manual you should read it 
[21-Oct-2010 16:17:27] <Parabola> i am ia m
[21-Oct-2010 16:17:40] <Parabola> actually im taking a 15min break to eat and read some android news
[21-Oct-2010 16:22:29] <rmatte> It's been a while... if I want the RRD value to be the difference between the currently collected value and the last collected value I'd use a counter datasource yes?
[21-Oct-2010 16:22:59] <ericenns> DERIVE
[21-Oct-2010 16:24:01] <rmatte> "A source declared as COUNTER will save the rate of change of the value over a step period. This assumes that the value is always increasing (the difference between the current and the previous value is greater than 0)."
[21-Oct-2010 16:24:20] <rmatte> DERIVE is the same as COUNTER, but it allows negative values as well.
[21-Oct-2010 16:24:44] <rmatte> Here's my usage scenario...
[21-Oct-2010 16:25:14] <rmatte> I'm collecting ifLastChange for each interface, which is a timestamp of the last time the interface changed in relation to when the device was booted
[21-Oct-2010 16:25:38] <rmatte> so whenever the interface status changes, it takes on a value equal to the uptime timeticks value at that given point in time and then stays there
[21-Oct-2010 16:25:51] <rmatte> so what I want to do is collect the value each cycle and compare it to the last cycle
[21-Oct-2010 16:26:00] <rmatte> if it has even changed by 1 I want to trigger a threshold
[21-Oct-2010 16:26:11] <rmatte> that way I'll get a threshold any time an interface status changed
[21-Oct-2010 16:26:31] <rmatte> is derive or counter what I want in that case?
[21-Oct-2010 16:28:08] <rmatte> the thing is, when the value returns to 0, after a reboot/reload or something, I don't want an alarm triggered
[21-Oct-2010 16:28:13] <rmatte> only when it actually increases
[21-Oct-2010 16:30:26] <rmatte> yeh, I think counter is what I want
[21-Oct-2010 16:30:49] <ericenns> ok I am having some weird issues I try and export a zenpack through the zenoss ui then zenoss decides to change some files which break the zenpack
[21-Oct-2010 16:32:21] <Sam-I-Am> arrrghhh: you still here?
[21-Oct-2010 16:32:30] <arrrghhh> Sam-I-Am, yessir
[21-Oct-2010 16:33:16] <Sam-I-Am> so... just got back from flying and read scrollback
[21-Oct-2010 16:33:27] <Sam-I-Am> the last number of index-based snmp stuff is the interface
[21-Oct-2010 16:33:30] <Sam-I-Am> you can leave it off
[21-Oct-2010 16:33:36] <Sam-I-Am> zenoss will add it for you based on the ifindex
[21-Oct-2010 16:33:41] <arrrghhh> hrm
[21-Oct-2010 16:33:48] <arrrghhh> i didn't tell it to look at .156 tho...
[21-Oct-2010 16:35:24] <arrrghhh> i stopped at .20 and .14
[21-Oct-2010 16:36:46] <Sam-I-Am> huh?
[21-Oct-2010 16:37:05] <Sam-I-Am> if the interface matches a template it'll monitor it
[21-Oct-2010 16:37:17] <Sam-I-Am> and you've told it to monitor said interface
[21-Oct-2010 16:37:30] <arrrghhh> hrm maybe i haven't told it specifically enough...?
[21-Oct-2010 16:39:11] <Sam-I-Am> typically for interface oids (if-mib) its the oid you see using snmpwalk -On minus the last number (.xxx) which is the ifindex
[21-Oct-2010 16:40:25] <arrrghhh> yea, that's what i told it to use
[21-Oct-2010 16:40:39] <arrrghhh> which is ironically the same OID as the ethernetCsmacd is using...
[21-Oct-2010 16:40:56] <arrrghhh> it seems to be getting the ifindex wrong, from my uneducated eyes.
[21-Oct-2010 16:41:02] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm
[21-Oct-2010 16:41:22] <Sam-I-Am> have you made any changes to the device that involve interfaces since the last time you modeled it?
[21-Oct-2010 16:42:19] <arrrghhh> nope
[21-Oct-2010 16:42:22] <arrrghhh> i haven't modeled in a while tho
[21-Oct-2010 16:46:46] <arrrghhh> Sam-I-Am, i'm not sure what to look for...
[21-Oct-2010 16:46:56] <Sam-I-Am> try remodeling it
[21-Oct-2010 16:47:09] <Sam-I-Am> also make sure the device isnt changing interface indexes on you
[21-Oct-2010 16:47:16] <Sam-I-Am> ... at reboot
[21-Oct-2010 16:47:23] <Sam-I-Am> some things theres commands to force them static
[21-Oct-2010 16:49:38] <arrrghhh> let me remodel this one
[21-Oct-2010 16:49:43] <arrrghhh> see if it makes a difference.
[21-Oct-2010 16:52:50] <arrrghhh> (oid .1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.20.561 is bad) - so that .561 is the ifIndex value?
[21-Oct-2010 16:57:09] <rmatte> yes
[21-Oct-2010 16:57:17] <rmatte> that particular device probably doesn't support that OID
[21-Oct-2010 16:57:19] <arrrghhh> how can i confirm that value is valid?
[21-Oct-2010 16:57:24] <rmatte> erm, particular interface
[21-Oct-2010 16:57:25] <rmatte> rather
[21-Oct-2010 16:57:29] <arrrghhh> but i found it did with an snmpwalk.
[21-Oct-2010 16:57:29] <arrrghhh> hrm.
[21-Oct-2010 16:57:36] <rmatte> some interfaces don't support showing errors, some don't support packets
[21-Oct-2010 16:57:39] <arrrghhh> i don't get why i can't have error stats on my frame-relay circuits 
[21-Oct-2010 16:57:53] <rmatte> some don't support packets, errors, or traffic
[21-Oct-2010 16:57:54] <arrrghhh> but i see the errors when i snmpwalk ifinerrors & ifouterrors
[21-Oct-2010 16:58:12] <rmatte> snmpwalk those with -On
[21-Oct-2010 16:58:18] <rmatte> and compare the OIDs that you seee
[21-Oct-2010 16:58:20] <rmatte> see*
[21-Oct-2010 16:58:29] <arrrghhh> yea, they don't match 
[21-Oct-2010 16:58:49] <rmatte> so they are both ifInErrors but aren't the same?
[21-Oct-2010 16:58:59] <rmatte> kind of odd
[21-Oct-2010 16:59:13] <arrrghhh> well the OID matches up to that last octet or whatever you call it.
[21-Oct-2010 16:59:40] <rmatte> right, which is fine because the collector plugin fills in the last octet
[21-Oct-2010 16:59:47] <rmatte> based on the index of the interface
[21-Oct-2010 16:59:48] <arrrghhh> .1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.14.26 = Counter32: 395099
[21-Oct-2010 16:59:48] <arrrghhh>  - i told it to look at .1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.14, and it's throwing errors on that last octet.
[21-Oct-2010 17:00:08] <arrrghhh> i don't see how it's .26 when i snmpwalk but zenoss is looking at .561...
[21-Oct-2010 17:00:36] <rmatte> check the indexes of the interfaces on the device
[21-Oct-2010 17:00:42] <rmatte> see if one of them has 561 listed as the index
[21-Oct-2010 17:00:42] <arrrghhh> sorry where?
[21-Oct-2010 17:00:49] <rmatte> just click on each interface
[21-Oct-2010 17:00:55] <rmatte> and you'll see an index value in the details
[21-Oct-2010 17:01:01] <rmatte> select details from the dropdown
[21-Oct-2010 17:01:11] <arrrghhh> i did.
[21-Oct-2010 17:01:16] <arrrghhh> i don't see index value at a...
[21-Oct-2010 17:01:17] <arrrghhh> all
[21-Oct-2010 17:01:28] <rmatte> are you using 2.5.2 or 3.0?
[21-Oct-2010 17:01:44] <arrrghhh> interface name, status, description, ip, mac, type, mtu, speed, ip addresses, admin status, op status, duplex mode
[21-Oct-2010 17:01:45] <arrrghhh> 3.01
[21-Oct-2010 17:01:54] <arrrghhh> i was on 2.5.2
[21-Oct-2010 17:01:55] * rmatte cringes
[21-Oct-2010 17:01:59] <arrrghhh> but decided to upgrade 
[21-Oct-2010 17:02:01] <rmatte> upgrade to 3.0.2 whenever you can
[21-Oct-2010 17:02:04] <arrrghhh> oh
[21-Oct-2010 17:02:07] <arrrghhh> i could right now.
[21-Oct-2010 17:02:07] <rmatte> or wait for 3.0.3
[21-Oct-2010 17:02:11] <arrrghhh> i can do that too
[21-Oct-2010 17:02:11] <arrrghhh> lol
[21-Oct-2010 17:02:14] <rmatte> which will be out in a week or two
[21-Oct-2010 17:02:17] <arrrghhh> this still isn't in production.
[21-Oct-2010 17:02:30] <rmatte> k, let me check my 3.0 test box for where they've stuck the index info
[21-Oct-2010 17:02:36] <arrrghhh> ok.
[21-Oct-2010 17:02:52] <rmatte> wow, epic fail
[21-Oct-2010 17:02:55] <rmatte> it doesn't even show it
[21-Oct-2010 17:03:05] <arrrghhh> 
[21-Oct-2010 17:03:09] <rmatte> the new interface has all sorts of little annoyances like that
[21-Oct-2010 17:03:15] <arrrghhh> yea, i've noticed that...
[21-Oct-2010 17:03:24] <arrrghhh> makes me kinda wish i would've stuck with 2.5.2.  oh well.
[21-Oct-2010 17:03:38] <rmatte> yeh, I'm sticking with 2.5.2 for quite a while at this point
[21-Oct-2010 17:03:45] <rmatte> too many stupid little things like that in 3.0
[21-Oct-2010 17:04:02] <rmatte> did you remodel that device recently?
[21-Oct-2010 17:04:17] <arrrghhh> well i JUST did on a tip from Sam-I-Am
[21-Oct-2010 17:04:25] <arrrghhh> but i haven't remodeled any device in a while.
[21-Oct-2010 17:05:04] <rmatte> a remodel would have picked up the latest indexes
[21-Oct-2010 17:05:09] <rmatte> clear the debug message
[21-Oct-2010 17:05:12] <rmatte> and see if it comes back
[21-Oct-2010 17:05:18] <arrrghhh> k
[21-Oct-2010 17:06:11] <arrrghhh> do i have to wait 5 mins?
[21-Oct-2010 17:07:18] <rmatte> yes
[21-Oct-2010 17:07:25] <arrrghhh> weird, i can select multiple events with the ctrl key
[21-Oct-2010 17:07:27] <arrrghhh> but not shift...
[21-Oct-2010 17:07:36] <rmatte> shift is disabled on purpose
[21-Oct-2010 17:07:46] <arrrghhh> oh?
[21-Oct-2010 17:08:01] <rmatte> shift selects a range and can select events that came in since the last time you refreshed but which you don't actually know are there
[21-Oct-2010 17:08:10] <rmatte> until they can fix that behaviour, it's disabled
[21-Oct-2010 17:09:01] <arrrghhh> ah
[21-Oct-2010 17:09:02] <arrrghhh> i see
[21-Oct-2010 17:09:51] <arrrghhh> so i'm going to have to remodel all my devices if this fixes this one site i assume?
[21-Oct-2010 17:11:04] <Sam-I-Am> theres a feature for zenoss to auto-model periodically
[21-Oct-2010 17:11:08] <Sam-I-Am> i thought it was on by default
[21-Oct-2010 17:11:24] <arrrghhh> i remember discussion on that a while back...
[21-Oct-2010 17:11:36] <Sam-I-Am> usually its to handle new interfaces on network stuff, or to update descriptions... but... changing interface indexes will make it hork
[21-Oct-2010 17:12:01] <arrrghhh> lol
[21-Oct-2010 17:12:35] <Sam-I-Am> you should find the command on your network gear for static interface indices
[21-Oct-2010 17:13:30] <arrrghhh> Sam-I-Am, oh so the index is determined by the device?  and they're dynamic?
[21-Oct-2010 17:14:13] <Sam-I-Am> yes and sometimes
[21-Oct-2010 17:14:16] <Sam-I-Am> depends on the device
[21-Oct-2010 17:19:44] <Sam-I-Am> arrrghhh: on a cisco you might have this
[21-Oct-2010 17:19:45] <Sam-I-Am> snmp-server ifindex persist
[21-Oct-2010 17:20:04] <arrrghhh> yea, we're all cisco
[21-Oct-2010 17:20:06] <arrrghhh> basically
[21-Oct-2010 17:20:28] <arrrghhh> there's some one-offs in the data center, but for the most part all our network gear is cisco.
[21-Oct-2010 17:22:58] <Sam-I-Am> the other option is dont ever reboot
[21-Oct-2010 17:23:04] <Sam-I-Am> but thats difficult with cisco stuff 
[21-Oct-2010 17:23:26] <arrrghhh> hahaha
[21-Oct-2010 17:23:39] <arrrghhh> well our network gear doesn't need to be reset that frequently.
[21-Oct-2010 17:23:46] <arrrghhh> still not sold on their voip system, but hey i didn't buy it.
[21-Oct-2010 17:24:00] <Sam-I-Am> <- brocade and juniper shop, mostly
[21-Oct-2010 17:24:23] <Sam-I-Am> any cisco stuff is pretty much legacy
[21-Oct-2010 17:24:44] <arrrghhh> yea we have some juniper & force10 gear.
[21-Oct-2010 17:28:00] <arrrghhh> hrm
[21-Oct-2010 17:28:02] <arrrghhh> no errors yet
[21-Oct-2010 17:28:04] <arrrghhh> but no graphs either.
[21-Oct-2010 17:32:08] <cgibbons> what could go wrong...
[21-Oct-2010 17:33:55] <arrrghhh> hrm.
[21-Oct-2010 17:34:04] <arrrghhh> something i can do to force it?  i'm not sure what's wrong at this point.
[21-Oct-2010 17:37:15] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: Cisco gear is good about keeping indexes
[21-Oct-2010 17:37:32] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: I rarely run in to problems and I monitor a ton of cisco gear
[21-Oct-2010 17:37:42] <Sam-I-Am> if you tell it to
[21-Oct-2010 17:37:57] <Sam-I-Am> depends on the device i guess
[21-Oct-2010 17:37:59] <rmatte> nah, nothing special has been done with any of the stuff that I monitor
[21-Oct-2010 17:38:18] <Sam-I-Am> i had to use the snmp-server ifindex persist on mine
[21-Oct-2010 17:38:21] <arrrghhh> well i don't have the event.  but i also have no graphs...
[21-Oct-2010 17:39:05] <rmatte> sweet, I got this last change monitoring working
[21-Oct-2010 17:39:14] <rmatte> now we won't miss any interface resets
[21-Oct-2010 17:39:21] <Sam-I-Am> oooh?
[21-Oct-2010 17:39:30] <rmatte> I'm going to do a writeup on it once I have it finalized and implemented
[21-Oct-2010 17:39:54] <rmatte> I'm configuring Zenoss to poll the ifLastChange value for each interface
[21-Oct-2010 17:40:11] <rmatte> and I'm using a counter datasource type so it compares the previous value to the current value
[21-Oct-2010 17:40:43] <rmatte> if the ifLastChange value increases at all from the last polling cycle that means there was a state change on the interface
[21-Oct-2010 17:40:57] <rmatte> we also poll for operational status, but polling for operational status can miss things
[21-Oct-2010 17:47:06] <xuru> when is 3.0.3 coming out?  I hope it's soon...
[21-Oct-2010 17:51:28] <mray> xuru: we're on RC4
[21-Oct-2010 17:51:42] <mray> if I had to guess… probably Monday or Tuesday
[21-Oct-2010 17:51:46] <xuru> awesome
[21-Oct-2010 17:52:03] <xuru> do you have that link handy for the bugs fixed in it?
[21-Oct-2010 17:52:24] <mray> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/report/6
[21-Oct-2010 17:52:25] <arrrghhh> can i go straight from 3.01 to 3.03 or do i have to upgrade to 3.02 ...?
[21-Oct-2010 17:52:33] <xuru> mray: thanks!
[21-Oct-2010 17:52:36] <mray> you can go straight
[21-Oct-2010 17:52:58] <arrrghhh> nice.
[21-Oct-2010 17:53:07] <mray> so you can see those tickets that are still set to "verification"
[21-Oct-2010 17:53:11] <mray> QA is checking off on those
[21-Oct-2010 17:53:20] <xuru> ok, nice
[21-Oct-2010 17:53:33] <mray> so essentially 2 bugs, 1 of which is doc
[21-Oct-2010 17:53:52] <mray> unless QA finds something else in the meantime
[21-Oct-2010 17:54:27] <mray> the focus of the release is scalability
[21-Oct-2010 17:54:42] <xuru> good
[21-Oct-2010 17:54:43] <arrrghhh> that's good news 
[21-Oct-2010 17:54:44] <mray> we had a large customer who couldn't go to 3.0.2, so 3.0.3 became a requirement
[21-Oct-2010 17:55:07] <xuru> enterprise is expensive 
[21-Oct-2010 17:55:37] <mray> the customers showing up in enterprise keep getting bigger too
[21-Oct-2010 17:55:57] <xuru> what size companies usually buy it?
[21-Oct-2010 17:57:54] <arrrghhh> we're considering it
[21-Oct-2010 17:57:58] <xuru> If i have my math right, we have around 100 devices @ $100 each is about $10,000/yr correct?
[21-Oct-2010 17:57:59] <arrrghhh> we're small potatoes
[21-Oct-2010 17:58:16] <xuru> and that doesn't even include any of the users desktops
[21-Oct-2010 17:58:49] <mray> yeah, sales knows they're missing out, they need to find a way to make it cost efficient
[21-Oct-2010 17:58:57] <mray> supporting customers costs money
[21-Oct-2010 17:59:04] <arrrghhh> well just networking gear we're at like 600.
[21-Oct-2010 17:59:04] <mray> but turning people away costs money
[21-Oct-2010 17:59:12] <arrrghhh> everything costs money 
[21-Oct-2010 17:59:23] <mray> not open source software 
[21-Oct-2010 17:59:38] <arrrghhh> hahaha
[21-Oct-2010 17:59:45] <arrrghhh> so you're unpaid? 
[21-Oct-2010 18:00:03] <mray> heh, I'm paid
[21-Oct-2010 18:00:05] <xuru> why not sell the product cheaper, and pay for support like most other things
[21-Oct-2010 18:00:09] <arrrghhh> ja.  so you cost money 
[21-Oct-2010 18:00:24] <arrrghhh> xuru, you're paying for support... the product is free.
[21-Oct-2010 18:00:32] <mray> xuru: enterprise is essentially features + support
[21-Oct-2010 18:00:42] <mray> if they offered it without support, that might work
[21-Oct-2010 18:00:59] <xuru> exactly
[21-Oct-2010 18:01:09] <mray> but it's also licensed by subscription
[21-Oct-2010 18:01:54] <xuru> I suppose it's the way most do it
[21-Oct-2010 18:03:14] <xuru> http://www.vyatta.com  has a similar model
[21-Oct-2010 18:03:28] <xuru> btw, best damn firewall there is
[21-Oct-2010 18:03:44] <mray> can you configure vyatta remotely?
[21-Oct-2010 18:03:49] <mray> like via REST calls?
[21-Oct-2010 18:03:58] <xuru> it has a web interface
[21-Oct-2010 18:04:04] <xuru> but I don't know if it uses REST
[21-Oct-2010 18:04:26] <mray> just wondering if you could configure it with a tool like Puppet or Chef
[21-Oct-2010 18:04:58] <xuru> it stores everything in a config file that you can backup
[21-Oct-2010 18:05:07] <xuru> btw, I use puppet extensively here
[21-Oct-2010 18:05:11] <mray> interesting
[21-Oct-2010 18:05:21] <xuru> and yeah, I use puppet to configure it
[21-Oct-2010 18:05:36] <xuru> it's basicly a version of debian linux on it
[21-Oct-2010 18:05:38] <mray> oh yeah?  have you seen other people doing that?
[21-Oct-2010 18:05:47] <mray> very interesting
[21-Oct-2010 18:05:52] <xuru> no, did it myself really
[21-Oct-2010 18:06:10] <mray> xuru: you should totally blog that, I'd love to read it 
[21-Oct-2010 18:06:32] <xuru> I think the only puppet module I use on it, is one to put the backuppc cert on it so it can be backed up
[21-Oct-2010 18:06:48] <xuru> mray: hehe, yeah, I've learned a ton from working here
[21-Oct-2010 18:07:10] <mray> I've done some integrations between zenoss and puppet, cfengine and chef and I think there's a lot of power there if you can tie all your config management to monitoring automatically
[21-Oct-2010 18:07:34] <xuru> yeah, I thought about that myself
[21-Oct-2010 18:07:39] <xuru> just wish I had the time
[21-Oct-2010 18:08:00] <xuru> something like puppet dashboard inside of zenoss
[21-Oct-2010 18:08:14] <mray> docs/DOC-5818
[21-Oct-2010 18:08:27] <arrrghhh> rmatte, so i'm not getting any errors after the remodel... but i don't get the error graph either.  what do i do now...?
[21-Oct-2010 18:08:54] <xuru> mray: yeah, totally broken, but I may have time to work on it in a few weeks
[21-Oct-2010 18:08:57] <mray> xuru: that lists puppet clients and the status of the server
[21-Oct-2010 18:09:14] <mray> I wrote the cfengine one based on that
[21-Oct-2010 18:09:32] <mray> the cfengine has metrics for compliance added
[21-Oct-2010 18:09:34] <xuru> ah, nice
[21-Oct-2010 18:09:37] <mray> and I'll be doing Chef soon
[21-Oct-2010 18:09:46] <mray> but first Chef deploying Zenoss
[21-Oct-2010 18:10:02] <mray> one of our engineers has some Puppet/Zenoss integration stuff as well
[21-Oct-2010 18:10:08] <xuru> haven't played with Chef yet
[21-Oct-2010 18:10:09] <mray> automatically deploying Zenoss from Puppet
[21-Oct-2010 18:10:22] <xuru> that would rock
[21-Oct-2010 18:10:28] <xuru> shouldn't be too hard
[21-Oct-2010 18:10:30] <mray> here it is: http://github.com/eedgar/puppet-master
[21-Oct-2010 18:10:49] <mray> Cobber+VirtualBox+Puppet+Zenoss
[21-Oct-2010 18:11:13] <xuru> interesting
[21-Oct-2010 18:12:00] <xuru> heh, even more to read 
[21-Oct-2010 18:12:39] <xuru> going to have to read up on Cobbler
[21-Oct-2010 18:12:52] <xuru> been thinking about a kickstart
[21-Oct-2010 18:13:45] <Orv> So, I'm trying to monitor a Windows XP workstation with Zenoss (yeah, I know..) I have an administrative login and password, and what passes for WMI on the workstation is working.
[21-Oct-2010 18:14:05] <xuru> mray: how does Chef compare to puppet?
[21-Oct-2010 18:15:31] <mray> http://wiki.opscode.com/display/chef/FAQ#FAQ-HowisChefdifferentthanPuppet%3F
[21-Oct-2010 18:16:33] <mray> xuru: I have basic experience with all of them
[21-Oct-2010 18:17:59] <mray> xuru: blogs/zenossblog/2010/09/16/zenoss-at-ohio-linuxfest-followup-updated has my slides on Zenoss + Config Management tools
[21-Oct-2010 18:18:02] <xuru> mray: thought of writing my own using python and faberic
[21-Oct-2010 18:18:22] <mray> xuru: somewhere there's a Python version of Chef
[21-Oct-2010 18:18:44] <mray> since the server + clients speak to each other via REST, you could write clients in any language
[21-Oct-2010 18:19:01] <mray> and a Perl version too
[21-Oct-2010 18:19:28] <xuru> very cool
[21-Oct-2010 18:23:00] <xuru> ok, got to run
[21-Oct-2010 18:23:14] <xuru> night everyone
[21-Oct-2010 18:23:18] <mray> later
[21-Oct-2010 18:37:43] <cgibbons> poufta
[21-Oct-2010 18:42:25] <Parabola> hm
[21-Oct-2010 18:42:30] <Parabola> i removed networkDisk from ignored filesystems
[21-Oct-2010 18:42:36] <Parabola> and my NFS mount isnt showing up in zenoss
[21-Oct-2010 18:42:38] <Parabola> (linux)
[21-Oct-2010 18:44:23] <ashp> did you remodel?
[21-Oct-2010 18:44:47] <Parabola> of course
[21-Oct-2010 18:44:52] <Parabola> no changes detected
[21-Oct-2010 18:48:34] <Parabola> i may have found a fix
[21-Oct-2010 18:48:43] <Parabola> however i found a place in the GUI to create transforms
[21-Oct-2010 18:48:49] <Parabola> docs/DOC-4673
[21-Oct-2010 18:48:52] <Parabola> for nfs
[21-Oct-2010 18:57:32] <Parabola> hmm didnt work
[21-Oct-2010 18:57:38] <Parabola> and snmp just timed out on me :-\
[21-Oct-2010 18:58:28] <merlincorey> you sure your snmp agent is installed and not listening on localhost?
[21-Oct-2010 18:58:48] <merlincorey> on debian related things you need both the packages snmp and snmpd to get it to work
[21-Oct-2010 19:00:38] <Parabola> oh im sure its setup right
[21-Oct-2010 19:00:47] <Parabola> it does this becuse its a piece of crap
[21-Oct-2010 19:00:55] <Parabola> randomly this one server will not respond
[21-Oct-2010 19:01:12] <Parabola> i can model in 5min itll work fine
[21-Oct-2010 21:07:47] <kedavra> hello, can anyone help me please with this error:       User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks() * .85) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks'] ?
[21-Oct-2010 21:08:18] <kedavra> i have no idea why it appears, the same template work on other devices
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[22-Oct-2010 04:10:44] <skiold> morning
[22-Oct-2010 04:11:28] <skiold> I broke zenhub, it seems
[22-Oct-2010 04:11:54] <skiold> zenhub run just dies with: http://pastie.org/1240142
[22-Oct-2010 04:12:26] <skiold> any hint?
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[22-Oct-2010 09:02:27] <frozty_sa> skiold: bury it and run!
[22-Oct-2010 09:03:11] <frozty_sa> looks like there's some db corruption or something
[22-Oct-2010 09:03:37] <frozty_sa> (whatever is returning perfConf at that point)
[22-Oct-2010 09:23:28] <Parabola> morning
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[22-Oct-2010 10:05:39] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[22-Oct-2010 10:05:49] <Simon4> bok bok
[22-Oct-2010 10:06:02] <Sam-I-Am> sup
[22-Oct-2010 10:07:21] <elc0> so I had an alert on a machine that went down last night and the device name in the email was the IP, but in zenoss its defined with device as the hostname
[22-Oct-2010 10:07:45] <elc0> is there somewhere else i need to define the device name to have the email format properly?
[22-Oct-2010 10:09:02] <Sam-I-Am> hm, it should be sending the name as entered in zenoss
[22-Oct-2010 10:10:51] <elc0> strange.  well I just renamed the device, maybe the one being displayed in zenoss is just a dns resolution from the IP?  possibly the email alert would do the same resolution before sending it out?
[22-Oct-2010 10:11:04] <elc0> *wouldnt
[22-Oct-2010 10:12:20] <Sam-I-Am> once zenoss grabs the initial IP of the device, it doesnt matter what you rename it to
[22-Oct-2010 10:12:27] <Sam-I-Am> i'm pretty sure at least
[22-Oct-2010 10:17:48] <frozty_sa> usually
[22-Oct-2010 10:18:03] <frozty_sa> I've had one or two devices that elc0's experience happens with
[22-Oct-2010 10:18:10] <frozty_sa> haven't gone digging to find out why
[22-Oct-2010 10:24:46] <Parabola|W> hmm
[22-Oct-2010 10:25:15] <Parabola|W> its a big
[22-Oct-2010 10:25:17] <Parabola|W> bug
[22-Oct-2010 10:25:32] <Parabola|W> when you rename it, rename through the little gear icon in the bottom left hand corner
[22-Oct-2010 10:25:44] <Parabola|W> if you just modify that editbox on the overview page, it wont do anything
[22-Oct-2010 10:26:09] <Parabola|W> you can verify this by looking at the URL for that device, when its changed correctly, you will see the new name instead of the IP
[22-Oct-2010 10:33:54] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, i've got a weird problem
[22-Oct-2010 10:34:05] <Sam-I-Am> for some reason i cannot copy a template into /devices/network/cisco
[22-Oct-2010 10:34:12] <Sam-I-Am> it will let me copy it into any other place
[22-Oct-2010 10:34:24] <Sam-I-Am> oddly, that part of the tree doesnt even show up as an option
[22-Oct-2010 10:42:09] <Parabola|W> Oct 21 08:35:22 <HOSTNAME> snmpd[4388]: Connection from UDP:
[22-Oct-2010 10:42:21] <Parabola|W> so snmp is timing out against this host, even if i set for 60 seconds with 2 retries..
[22-Oct-2010 10:42:32] <Parabola|W> yet i see that entry over and over in th syslog
[22-Oct-2010 10:42:47] <Parabola|W> no errors, if i reboot this host, snmp will work fine for about half a day then it breaks again
[22-Oct-2010 10:42:56] <Parabola|W> restarting snmpd doesnt fix it, any ideas
[22-Oct-2010 10:42:57] <Sam-I-Am> what kind of thing is it?
[22-Oct-2010 10:43:01] <Parabola|W> ubuntu server
[22-Oct-2010 10:43:30] <Sam-I-Am> i'd run tcpdump and see if it's conversing after it breaks
[22-Oct-2010 10:43:51] <Parabola|W> this server does so much traffic
[22-Oct-2010 10:43:54] <Sam-I-Am> or whatever might be going on
[22-Oct-2010 10:43:57] <Sam-I-Am> on the ubuntu end
[22-Oct-2010 10:44:00] <Parabola|W> not to  mention, it says UDP
[22-Oct-2010 10:44:06] <wvcain> filter by the port... 161 and 162
[22-Oct-2010 10:44:08] <Sam-I-Am> so?
[22-Oct-2010 10:44:10] <Parabola|W> good call
[22-Oct-2010 10:44:11] <Sam-I-Am> filters
[22-Oct-2010 10:44:14] <Parabola|W> tcp dump
[22-Oct-2010 10:44:18] <Parabola|W> i've never used it, but it says tcp 
[22-Oct-2010 10:44:18] <Sam-I-Am> does both
[22-Oct-2010 10:44:21] <Parabola|W> oh
[22-Oct-2010 10:44:26] <Parabola|W> kk
[22-Oct-2010 10:44:27] <Sam-I-Am> actually, does a LOT
[22-Oct-2010 10:44:30] <Sam-I-Am> the name is a bit misleading
[22-Oct-2010 10:44:51] <Sam-I-Am> tcpdump -ln -i <interface> udp and port 161
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[22-Oct-2010 10:45:13] <Sam-I-Am> or 162 depending on what you've got going on
[22-Oct-2010 10:45:28] <wvcain> Also you can turn up the detail.  Not really needed for finding if it's working but handy if troubleshooting
[22-Oct-2010 10:45:42] <wvcain> 161 = snmpgets.... Zenoss getting perf data.
[22-Oct-2010 10:45:58] <wvcain> 162 = snmptraps... the host kicking out a message to zenoss.
[22-Oct-2010 10:48:31] <Sam-I-Am> arggh
[22-Oct-2010 10:48:46] <Sam-I-Am> anyone know why i would not even see part of the device tree to copy a template into?
[22-Oct-2010 10:48:51] <Sam-I-Am> its as if i dont have some sort of access to it
[22-Oct-2010 10:49:38] <Sam-I-Am> i think its one of the trees created by a cisco-related zenpac
[22-Oct-2010 10:51:04] <Parabola|W> ive had that happen
[22-Oct-2010 10:51:13] <Parabola|W> i logged out, clear temp logged back in :-\
[22-Oct-2010 10:53:34] <Sam-I-Am> even switching browsers doesnt help this
[22-Oct-2010 10:53:53] <Sam-I-Am> i'm guessing the zenpack has a bug that screws up permissions in zope somewhere
[22-Oct-2010 10:54:02] <Sam-I-Am> and i'm not enough of a zope guru to fix it
[22-Oct-2010 10:55:52] <Parabola|W> awesome
[22-Oct-2010 10:56:02] <Parabola|W> im watching the traffic
[22-Oct-2010 10:56:06] <Parabola|W> and....
[22-Oct-2010 10:56:27] <Parabola|W> weird output here Sam-I-Am
[22-Oct-2010 10:56:40] <Parabola|W> GetRequest(583) and GetBulk(30) stuff
[22-Oct-2010 10:56:55] <Parabola|W> getnextrequest (21)
[22-Oct-2010 10:58:18] <Sam-I-Am> is it only coming from the zenoss box?
[22-Oct-2010 10:58:28] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: got a sec for a q?
[22-Oct-2010 10:58:34] <Parabola|W> Yeah it is
[22-Oct-2010 10:58:45] <Parabola|W> I'm doing it with a -v and outputting to file for pastebin so i cna read it
[22-Oct-2010 10:58:47] <Parabola|W> gimmie a min 
[22-Oct-2010 10:58:48] <Sam-I-Am> so the ubuntu box is not responding at all?
[22-Oct-2010 10:59:03] <Parabola|W> zenoss says snmp timed out
[22-Oct-2010 10:59:10] <Parabola|W> i see on the ubuntu box the requests coming in
[22-Oct-2010 10:59:23] <Parabola|W> or i see traffic, lets see what verbose gives us
[22-Oct-2010 10:59:54] <Sam-I-Am> if you dont see traffic from ubuntu IP to zenoss IP then its not responding
[22-Oct-2010 11:00:19] <Sam-I-Am> at that point i'd run snmpd in debug mode to see if its seeing anything
[22-Oct-2010 11:00:22] <Sam-I-Am> also check any firewall rules
[22-Oct-2010 11:00:55] <Parabola|W> i know its not firewall related
[22-Oct-2010 11:01:02] <Parabola|W> again, if i reboot the server
[22-Oct-2010 11:01:05] <Parabola|W> it works fine for about 12 hours
[22-Oct-2010 11:01:09] <Parabola|W> then it breaks again
[22-Oct-2010 11:01:20] <Parabola|W> sec
[22-Oct-2010 11:02:23] <Sam-I-Am> anything in the logs?
[22-Oct-2010 11:03:27] <Parabola|W> http://pastebin.com/6kVzcQVh
[22-Oct-2010 11:03:58] <Parabola|W> i see .16 sending data to .9, .9  is the ubuntu box
[22-Oct-2010 11:04:39] <Sam-I-Am> snmpd on ubuntu is not responding
[22-Oct-2010 11:04:44] <Parabola|W> yup
[22-Oct-2010 11:05:25] <Parabola|W> i restart snmp, nothin
[22-Oct-2010 11:05:29] <Parabola|W> restart server, its fine
[22-Oct-2010 11:06:32] <Sam-I-Am> i'd look into debug modes for snmpd
[22-Oct-2010 11:19:36] <Parabola|W> yeah im looking into that now
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[22-Oct-2010 11:28:18] <Sam-I-Am> meh
[22-Oct-2010 11:28:24] <Sam-I-Am> well, opened a support ticket with zenoss
[22-Oct-2010 11:28:39] <Sam-I-Am> not sure wtf is going on with that template problem, but i dont remember it in 3.0.2
[22-Oct-2010 11:38:21] <rmatte> eugh, epic fail Cisco
[22-Oct-2010 11:38:53] <rmatte> 1.3.6.1.4.1.9.9.449.1.4.1.1.6 is the OID to check EIGRP uptime, but it outputs as a string instead of timeticks
[22-Oct-2010 11:39:07] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[22-Oct-2010 11:39:16] <Sam-I-Am> gotta love overuse of strings
[22-Oct-2010 11:39:46] <rmatte> yup
[22-Oct-2010 11:39:51] <Sam-I-Am> foundry/brocade LOVE them which makes monitoring a lot of stuff just... impossible.
[22-Oct-2010 11:40:27] <Sam-I-Am> cant seem to find anything unusual in zope for this issue...
[22-Oct-2010 11:41:01] <rmatte> it's not really impossible, but you have to use custom scripts to collect the data
[22-Oct-2010 11:41:10] <rmatte> which is a huge waste of time for something that should be simple
[22-Oct-2010 11:41:34] <Sam-I-Am> yeah
[22-Oct-2010 11:41:54] <Sam-I-Am> i get the feeling the ironware management tools can 'read' these strings just fine
[22-Oct-2010 11:42:12] <Sam-I-Am> they seem to use them in place of real indices
[22-Oct-2010 11:42:29] <rmatte> yeh, still a dumb way to do it
[22-Oct-2010 11:42:46] <rmatte> they probably do it that way so that people will just give up and guy their software
[22-Oct-2010 11:42:47] <rmatte> lol
[22-Oct-2010 11:42:54] <rmatte> buy*
[22-Oct-2010 11:43:10] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[22-Oct-2010 11:43:41] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: do you use /devices/network/cisco for your cisco devices?
[22-Oct-2010 11:44:58] <rmatte> I have /Devices/Network/Router/Cisco, /Devices/Network/Switch/Cisco, /Device/Network/Wireless/Cisco
[22-Oct-2010 11:46:01] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, i didnt organize mine like that
[22-Oct-2010 11:46:30] <Sam-I-Am> cant really separate router and switch here at the lines are very messy if nonexistant
[22-Oct-2010 11:47:01] <Sam-I-Am> so i have /devices/network/brocade, /devices/network/cisco (pre-created by some zenpack i think), and /devices/network/juniper (also created by some zenpack)
[22-Oct-2010 11:47:28] <rmatte> yeh
[22-Oct-2010 11:47:46] <rmatte> I separate them as best I can, but both classes use the same template
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[22-Oct-2010 11:47:56] <rmatte> except for the wireless stuff obviously
[22-Oct-2010 11:48:00] <rmatte> and the cisco asa stuff
[22-Oct-2010 11:48:08] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[22-Oct-2010 11:48:21] <Sam-I-Am> inside say, cisco, i have model numbers
[22-Oct-2010 11:48:27] <Sam-I-Am> 2800, 7200, asa, etc
[22-Oct-2010 11:50:25] <rmatte> I don't bother with that since we monitor so many different models
[22-Oct-2010 11:50:38] <rmatte> we've got almost everything under the sun lol
[22-Oct-2010 11:50:56] <Sam-I-Am> i usually wouldnt either, but at least with cisco stuff (not so much juniper and brocade), i need some custom templates due to mib differences
[22-Oct-2010 11:51:08] <Sam-I-Am> like... temperature sensors are not the same oid on 2800 and 7200
[22-Oct-2010 11:51:35] <Sam-I-Am> hopefully the zenoss support folks will tell me what's broken in my /devices/network/cisco sub-device tree
[22-Oct-2010 11:51:39] <Sam-I-Am> its super weird
[22-Oct-2010 11:51:47] <Sam-I-Am> and apparently broken in my 2.4.1 prod install too
[22-Oct-2010 12:07:42] <rmatte> define "broken"
[22-Oct-2010 12:09:38] <Sam-I-Am> can't copy a template into that tree
[22-Oct-2010 12:09:44] <Sam-I-Am> it just doesnt show up in the list
[22-Oct-2010 12:09:58] <Sam-I-Am> i dont recall seeing this in 3
[22-Oct-2010 12:11:02] <Parabola|W> lol sam
[22-Oct-2010 12:11:07] <Parabola|W> i found a solution to my issue
[22-Oct-2010 12:11:12] <Parabola|W> i'm setting up a new server 
[22-Oct-2010 12:11:18] <cgibbons> when in doubt, more servers!
[22-Oct-2010 12:11:22] <Parabola|W> ubuntu 10.10 and newest version of ispconfig
[22-Oct-2010 12:11:25] <Sam-I-Am> more servars!!!
[22-Oct-2010 12:11:35] <Parabola|W> cgibbons,  i got tired of trying to fix snmp
[22-Oct-2010 12:11:43] <Parabola|W> it would stop responding after a biz day or so
[22-Oct-2010 12:11:43] <Sam-I-Am> what ver of ubuntu were you using before?
[22-Oct-2010 12:11:47] <Parabola|W> 9.04
[22-Oct-2010 12:11:51] <Parabola|W> restarting snmpd didnt fix it
[22-Oct-2010 12:12:19] <Sam-I-Am> any bug reports on that?
[22-Oct-2010 12:12:43] <Parabola|W> dont know
[22-Oct-2010 12:12:44] <Parabola|W> dont care
[22-Oct-2010 12:12:46] <Parabola|W> new server
[22-Oct-2010 12:12:53] <Parabola|W> the server has other issuse to
[22-Oct-2010 12:12:57] <Sam-I-Am> i guess that works.
[22-Oct-2010 12:13:04] <Parabola|W> like after two weeks of uptime, a system load of 125.5
[22-Oct-2010 12:13:11] <Sam-I-Am> i havent had issues with snmp on linux, but on other platforms... bleeeeggghhhh
[22-Oct-2010 12:13:14] <Sam-I-Am> uh
[22-Oct-2010 12:13:41] <Sam-I-Am> seems any platform where a commercial ($) application is available for monitoring, the vendor seems to make snmp suck.
[22-Oct-2010 12:14:01] <Sam-I-Am> unless their app uses snmp, of course, but even then you get some weird stuff (like strings)
[22-Oct-2010 12:16:22] <cgibbons> i think the vendors make everything suck at some level
[22-Oct-2010 12:16:29] <Sam-I-Am> yes.
[22-Oct-2010 12:16:34] <cgibbons> it's enterprise software: it's not supposed to be good, just useful
[22-Oct-2010 12:16:43] <Simon4> can't sell professional services if your product is awesome
[22-Oct-2010 12:17:38] <Sam-I-Am> depends
[22-Oct-2010 12:17:46] <Sam-I-Am> i tend to like professional support on stuff
[22-Oct-2010 12:17:54] <Sam-I-Am> but it depends on the stuff
[22-Oct-2010 12:18:31] <Sam-I-Am> for a lot of my gear, support is purely for hardware RMA and firmware upgrades... not so much configuration questions or bug issues
[22-Oct-2010 12:19:06] <jmp242> Hmm, SNMP works great for me on most things I'm trying, then again, it's basically servers. . .
[22-Oct-2010 12:22:06] <rmatte> snmp works fine for me on network gear, but we're not monitoring much more than the default stuff
[22-Oct-2010 12:22:52] <jmp242> Yea, it's also good for my access points
[22-Oct-2010 12:23:05] <jmp242> I will mention that it sucks on the cheaper procurves, but that's HPs fault
[22-Oct-2010 12:23:23] <rmatte> yeh, I monitor some procurves, but the expensive ones lol
[22-Oct-2010 12:24:02] <rmatte> I remember seeing an HP switch that didn't actually provide proper interface names via snmp
[22-Oct-2010 12:24:10] <Orv> So, can you monitor a Windows XP box using WMI?
[22-Oct-2010 12:24:15] <cgibbons> yep
[22-Oct-2010 12:24:22] <rmatte> ifDescription would be something like "Ethernet Interface" and then ifName would be ""
[22-Oct-2010 12:24:28] <Sam-I-Am> mmm, i have some hp stuff to monitor
[22-Oct-2010 12:24:31] <Sam-I-Am> havent gotten to it yet
[22-Oct-2010 12:24:46] <Orv> Wonder why it doesn't answer..   It's enabled, has administrative account, and firewall is off..
[22-Oct-2010 12:24:54] <rmatte> Orv: you can monitor basically anything above windows 98 using WMI
[22-Oct-2010 12:24:55] <cgibbons> disable simple file sharing?
[22-Oct-2010 12:25:04] <Orv> rmatte: Cool..
[22-Oct-2010 12:25:07] <Orv> cgibbons: ??
[22-Oct-2010 12:25:22] <cgibbons> If it's not in a domain, you have to disable simple file sharing in the Control Panel -> Folder Options applet.
[22-Oct-2010 12:25:26] <jmp242> simple file sharing is evil and breaks a lot of management stuff - but if you're in a domain
[22-Oct-2010 12:25:28] <cgibbons> It's a poorly named setting.
[22-Oct-2010 12:25:29] <jmp242> it's already off
[22-Oct-2010 12:25:46] <cgibbons> What it does is cause all DCE/RPC connections to use the Anonymous user, regardless of what credentials are provided.
[22-Oct-2010 12:29:54] <rmatte> yeh, poorly named like half of the stuff in windows
[22-Oct-2010 12:29:55] <rmatte> lol
[22-Oct-2010 12:31:54] * Sam-I-Am notices zenhub quit running
[22-Oct-2010 12:32:07] <Sam-I-Am> c'mon sysmin, give me my real test environment back!
[22-Oct-2010 12:35:00] <sciolist> what would be a quick way of determining why a device is being collected upon?
[22-Oct-2010 12:35:42] <sciolist> I've checked (via GUI and zendmd) that it has appropriate templates bound to it, but it's not actually collecting information
[22-Oct-2010 12:36:49] <Sam-I-Am> snmp collection?
[22-Oct-2010 12:37:08] <sciolist> no, using the Nagios check_http plugin
[22-Oct-2010 12:38:01] <sciolist> I see in the zencommand log that it removed a collection command earlier (a screw-up in binding the wrong template), but nothing after that
[22-Oct-2010 12:38:19] <sciolist> it should just be using ping and HTTP checks
[22-Oct-2010 12:42:44] <sciolist> could I run zencommand -v 10 -d <hostname>?
[22-Oct-2010 12:42:56] <sciolist> err, zencommand run -v 10 -d <hostname>?
[22-Oct-2010 12:43:28] <rmatte> yes
[22-Oct-2010 12:45:03] <Sam-I-Am> uggghh... i think zenoss died a slow painful death on this vm
[22-Oct-2010 12:47:37] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, it takes a couple of gigs of ram just to start zenoss with 1 device.
[22-Oct-2010 12:48:09] <sciolist> rmatte:  thanks
[22-Oct-2010 12:48:09] * Sam-I-Am watches his tiny vm thrash
[22-Oct-2010 12:48:49] <sciolist> hrm, no commands being run against the suspect host, although a check against a known 'good' host shows expected output....
[22-Oct-2010 12:50:16] <sciolist> well that's weird... a second run starts showing data from the suspect host
[22-Oct-2010 12:50:26] * sciolist shrigs
[22-Oct-2010 12:50:37] <sciolist> err, "shrugs"
[22-Oct-2010 12:51:21] <Sam-I-Am> heh, 15 minutes to restart zenoss
[22-Oct-2010 13:08:43] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[22-Oct-2010 13:14:32] <rmatte> 15 minutes?
[22-Oct-2010 13:14:35] <rmatte> that's insane
[22-Oct-2010 13:18:45] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: yeah, i went from a nice 12 or somesuch core box with umpteen gigs of ram to... the mac mini
[22-Oct-2010 13:18:53] <Sam-I-Am> while the sysadmin rebuilds the vm dev environment
[22-Oct-2010 13:34:36] <rmatte> wow, this makes a ton of sense
[22-Oct-2010 13:34:42] <rmatte> >>> int
[22-Oct-2010 13:34:43] <rmatte> '185'
[22-Oct-2010 13:34:51] <rmatte> >>> d.sysUpTime()
[22-Oct-2010 13:34:51] <rmatte> 332711.87
[22-Oct-2010 13:34:55] <rmatte> >>> int > d.sysUpTime()
[22-Oct-2010 13:34:55] <rmatte> True
[22-Oct-2010 13:35:10] <rmatte> oh wait, I think I know why
[22-Oct-2010 13:35:11] <rmatte> damnit
[22-Oct-2010 13:35:45] <Sam-I-Am> eh
[22-Oct-2010 13:35:54] <rmatte> int is a string, I missed that
[22-Oct-2010 13:35:58] <rmatte> need to convert it to an int
[22-Oct-2010 13:36:11] <Sam-I-Am> does string to int work very well?
[22-Oct-2010 13:36:32] <rmatte> well, I can just convert it to a float, simple to do
[22-Oct-2010 13:36:36] <rmatte> int = float(int)
[22-Oct-2010 13:36:38] <rmatte> works fine
[22-Oct-2010 13:45:06] <Parabola|W> hmm
[22-Oct-2010 13:57:32] <Parabola|W> that worries me
[22-Oct-2010 13:57:36] <Parabola|W> this zenpack doesnt show up in the gui
[22-Oct-2010 13:58:40] <Parabola|W> ah had to create the /Network/Router/Cisco class myself
[22-Oct-2010 13:59:03] <Sam-I-Am> i thought the cisco zenpack made /devices/network/cisco, but who knows
[22-Oct-2010 13:59:31] <Parabola|W> well its throwing up errors too
[22-Oct-2010 13:59:36] <Parabola|W> lets see what i get
[22-Oct-2010 14:00:33] <Parabola|W> my boss wants this clients ASA 5505 to get BW usage over snmp
[22-Oct-2010 14:00:38] <Parabola|W> i told him i doubt thats going to work
[22-Oct-2010 14:03:01] <Sam-I-Am> why wouldnt it work?
[22-Oct-2010 14:03:15] <Sam-I-Am> interface stats are pretty standardized
[22-Oct-2010 14:04:22] mrayzenoss1 is now known as mray
[22-Oct-2010 14:04:22] <Parabola|W> because zenoss hates me
[22-Oct-2010 14:07:37] <rmatte> BW usage as in traffic?
[22-Oct-2010 14:07:45] <rmatte> that's collected by default for each interface
[22-Oct-2010 14:18:46] davidh38_ is now known as davidh38
[22-Oct-2010 14:24:24] <Sam-I-Am> meh @ making custom graph definitions
[22-Oct-2010 14:32:25] davidh38_ is now known as davidh38
[22-Oct-2010 14:42:01] <twm1010> Friday! w00t!
[22-Oct-2010 14:44:21] <Sam-I-Am> yez
[22-Oct-2010 14:44:33] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, i wonder what rra consolidation the internal sysuptime functions in zenoss use
[22-Oct-2010 14:44:41] <Sam-I-Am> apparently it doesnt like when i get rid of 'avg'
[22-Oct-2010 14:49:17] davidh38_ is now known as davidh38
[22-Oct-2010 14:54:21] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: I doubt it uses any consolidation, it's just grabbing the most current value
[22-Oct-2010 14:58:07] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[22-Oct-2010 15:11:32] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: meh
[22-Oct-2010 15:11:39] <Sam-I-Am> well, now its not re-creating that rrd file
[22-Oct-2010 15:11:42] <Sam-I-Am> for sysuptime
[22-Oct-2010 15:12:51] <rmatte> are you sure that you have a template bound to the device that actually provides that?
[22-Oct-2010 15:13:33] <Sam-I-Am> yup
[22-Oct-2010 15:13:55] <Sam-I-Am> i deleted the rrd files earlier while testing some template changes
[22-Oct-2010 15:14:02] <Sam-I-Am> every one came back except that one
[22-Oct-2010 15:14:30] <Sam-I-Am> and uptime shows as unknown
[22-Oct-2010 15:19:29] davidh38_ is now known as davidh38
[22-Oct-2010 15:20:48] <Sam-I-Am> apparently its very specific about what it wants for the rrd creation spec
[22-Oct-2010 15:21:13] * Sam-I-Am looks in the code to figure out what sysuptime does
[22-Oct-2010 15:21:26] <cgibbons> it just fetches the cached rrd value, nothing more
[22-Oct-2010 15:21:48] <Sam-I-Am> cached where?
[22-Oct-2010 15:22:03] <rmatte> in the RRD
[22-Oct-2010 15:22:29] <cgibbons> yeah just this: return self.cacheRRDValue('sysUpTime', -1)
[22-Oct-2010 15:23:01] <rmatte> what's the difference between cacheRRDValue and getRRDValue in terms of data accuracy?
[22-Oct-2010 15:23:08] <rmatte> I heard that cacheRRDValue can be a bit behind
[22-Oct-2010 15:23:44] <Sam-I-Am> so it looks for last_ds in the rrd file?
[22-Oct-2010 15:24:21] <cgibbons> pretty much
[22-Oct-2010 15:24:25] <rhettardo> is there a way to set a device specific ip service alert count?  i swear there is but its been so long that i've had to go set these details
[22-Oct-2010 15:24:26] <cgibbons> nothing really special about sysUpTime
[22-Oct-2010 15:24:39] <xuru> bigegor: are you around today?
[22-Oct-2010 15:24:55] <cgibbons> other than yes, if you want to use the Device.py's version of sysUpTime, it has to match exactly the same RRD definition as the default Device template
[22-Oct-2010 15:24:59] <rmatte> rhettardo: hunh?
[22-Oct-2010 15:25:04] <bigegor> yes
[22-Oct-2010 15:25:21] <Sam-I-Am> somethings up... zenoss still shows "unknown" for uptime
[22-Oct-2010 15:25:25] <cgibbons> note, for example, in the /Server/Windows/WMI device class, sysUpTime gets returned and stored differently, so the Device class there does a different calc to get the same value
[22-Oct-2010 15:25:37] <Sam-I-Am> the rrdfile is getting written to
[22-Oct-2010 15:25:52] <xuru> bigegor: I was hoping you could help me with a large number of events I've been getting from MsSqlodbc
[22-Oct-2010 15:26:00] <cgibbons> sounds like that little cache isn't being updated, but i'm not sure what causes that to happen (never explored it)
[22-Oct-2010 15:26:11] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: you do realize it's going to take 3 polling cycles before any data is displayed, yes?
[22-Oct-2010 15:26:37] <xuru> bigegor: I'm getting: Could not fetch data from source...
[22-Oct-2010 15:26:38] <rhettardo> i want to have my alert count for an ipservice (afpovertcp, http, ftp) set to 2 instead of 1 like the global value.  i wanted to set that per device (creating a local copy?)
[22-Oct-2010 15:27:13] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: i changed the default rrd creation command to have different consolidations... different from the default collector settings (4 avgs, 3 maxes) ... although if it just uses last_ds, it shouldnt care.
[22-Oct-2010 15:27:40] <cgibbons> anything change if you restart zope?
[22-Oct-2010 15:27:49] <bigegor> try zenperfsql run -v10 -d yourserver
[22-Oct-2010 15:27:50] <cgibbons> that'll clear out that little cache
[22-Oct-2010 15:27:57] <Sam-I-Am> lemmie do that...
[22-Oct-2010 15:28:13] <xuru> bigegor: ok, getting logged into the server and stuff
[22-Oct-2010 15:28:38] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: just reading last_ds shouldnt take 3 cycles... but drawing a graph would
[22-Oct-2010 15:28:58] <rmatte> rhettardo: the only way to do that is with 2 alerting rules
[22-Oct-2010 15:29:25] <rmatte> rhettardo: you'd create 1 that matches everything except whatever, then you'd create a second that matches whatever
[22-Oct-2010 15:29:34] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: zopectl process?
[22-Oct-2010 15:29:42] <cgibbons> yeah zopectl restart
[22-Oct-2010 15:29:47] <Sam-I-Am> got it..
[22-Oct-2010 15:30:04] <rhettardo> alrighty
[22-Oct-2010 15:30:06] <rmatte> whenever I do zopectl restart without restarting the other daemons the web interface never comes back
[22-Oct-2010 15:30:41] <ericenns> weird man
[22-Oct-2010 15:30:50] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: that did it
[22-Oct-2010 15:31:12] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: how does zenoss figure out availability?  perhaps thats where it looks for a specific CF
[22-Oct-2010 15:31:15] <xuru> bigegor: I'm getting the same ODBC error:  Received error (('08001', '[08001] [unixODBC][FreeTDS][SQL Server]Unable to connect to data source (0) (SQLDriverConnectW)'))
[22-Oct-2010 15:31:35] <cgibbons> check the ZenModel/*.py code for that calculation. i'm sure it's non-trivial.
[22-Oct-2010 15:31:40] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: it figures out availability by scraping the event database for ip <blah> is down events
[22-Oct-2010 15:31:43] <xuru> I'm thinking it's just a configuration thing, but I'm not sure what I am missing
[22-Oct-2010 15:31:45] <ericenns> xuru: I fixed that error it is corrected on my website http://futamill.ca
[22-Oct-2010 15:31:54] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: availability is done via MySQL, nothing to do with RRD
[22-Oct-2010 15:32:17] <xuru> ericenns: the dell equal logic one?
[22-Oct-2010 15:32:42] <ericenns> xuru: yes
[22-Oct-2010 15:32:42] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: it looks that way
[22-Oct-2010 15:33:01] <bigegor> xuru: have you changed default connection string
[22-Oct-2010 15:33:04] <bigegor> ?
[22-Oct-2010 15:33:14] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: here's a script that I wrote that calculates availability the same way Zenoss does: http://dmon.org/downloads/zenoss/reports/availability.py
[22-Oct-2010 15:34:00] <xuru> bigegor: I have:  DRIVER={FreeTDS};UID=xxxx;PWD=xxxxx
[22-Oct-2010 15:35:46] <bigegor> xuru: can you use the same acount for Windows monitoring and SQL monitoring?
[22-Oct-2010 15:39:08] <xuru> bigegor: sorry, had a phone call
[22-Oct-2010 15:39:38] <xuru> I can try it, but it didn't work before...  let me give it another shot here
[22-Oct-2010 15:40:17] <rmatte> too bad that you guys moved away from the crab naming convention
[22-Oct-2010 15:40:18] <rmatte> http://www.iheartchaos.com/post/1375009229/finally-someone-went-and-invented-a-live-crab-vending
[22-Oct-2010 15:41:15] <bigegor> xuru: set connection string to 'DRIVER={FreeTDS};TDS_Version=8.0;PORT=1433'
[22-Oct-2010 15:41:28] <xuru> bigegor: ok
[22-Oct-2010 15:41:50] <bigegor> xuru: try to use domain user
[22-Oct-2010 15:42:08] <xuru> bigegor: yeah, I have a domain user setup just for zenoss
[22-Oct-2010 15:43:21] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: ha
[22-Oct-2010 15:45:13] <Sam-I-Am> huh... it most definitely looks for a specific CF
[22-Oct-2010 15:46:20] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, it uses renderserver to find the uptime
[22-Oct-2010 15:46:25] <Sam-I-Am> which... doesnt actually make a graph.
[22-Oct-2010 15:47:00] <Sam-I-Am> RenderServer /dev/null DEF:sysUpTime_r=/opt/zenoss/perf/Devices/kr-walnut.kanren.net/sysUpTime_sysUpTime.rrd:ds0:AVERAGE CDEF:sysUpTime_c=sysUpTime_r VDEF:sysUpTime=sysUpTime_c,LAST PRINT:sysUpTime:%.2lf --start=1287647093
[22-Oct-2010 15:47:36] <Sam-I-Am> it looks for the last value of whatever average CF fits best
[22-Oct-2010 15:48:54] <dec3pti0n> i can't seem to figure out y this is failing on a device model after setting up mysqlmonitor on Z3.0
[22-Oct-2010 15:48:58] <dec3pti0n> http://pastebin.ca/1970277
[22-Oct-2010 15:49:27] <dec3pti0n> I have setup everything like I've done before on another zenoss setup 2 & 3
[22-Oct-2010 15:49:50] <xuru> bigegor: when I try and use a windows accout I get this in the sql logs:  Attempting to use an NT account name with SQL Server Authentication
[22-Oct-2010 15:50:08] <cgibbons> whoops
[22-Oct-2010 15:51:38] <bigegor> xuru: hmmm, is on your database no NT authentication enabled?
[22-Oct-2010 15:52:18] <xuru> bigegor: I check the use in sql management studio and it is setup as windows authentication
[22-Oct-2010 15:53:07] <bigegor> xuru: add domain name to user name: DOMAIN\username
[22-Oct-2010 15:53:19] <xuru> yep, got that
[22-Oct-2010 15:56:53] <xuru> ok, logging in as that user, I can't seem to bring up studio...  it fails to log in
[22-Oct-2010 15:57:00] <xuru> got some ground work to do yet...
[22-Oct-2010 16:03:49] davidh38_ is now known as davidh38
[22-Oct-2010 16:23:25] <xuru> bigegor: doesn't want to get past pyodbc or FreeTDS for some reason
[22-Oct-2010 16:23:56] <xuru> bigegor: if I use domain\zenoss it can't connect, but if I use a sql user it works fine
[22-Oct-2010 16:24:14] <xuru> do I need to do something special with the '\'?
[22-Oct-2010 16:24:33] <bigegor> no
[22-Oct-2010 16:24:52] <xuru> yeah, I tried forward slash instead and it came back as login failed instead
[22-Oct-2010 16:25:24] <jmp242> Anyone have issues with some snmp traps not being able to be seen in the event console details view - I get a server error in Safari, Opera and Firefox . . .
[22-Oct-2010 16:25:59] <xuru> so the logs on the sql server says that I'm trying to use an nt login as a sql login... is there something special I need to do to tell it it's a windows login?  or something with winexe?
[22-Oct-2010 16:27:02] <bigegor> xuru: it meant NT login not allowed
[22-Oct-2010 16:39:47] <rmatte> eugh, this is annoying, if I threshold on a counter interface it generates 2 threshold events (a second one the next polling cycle even though the change is 0)
[22-Oct-2010 16:41:52] <xuru> bigegor: I wrote a little test... This works:  http://paste.pocoo.org/show/278985/
[22-Oct-2010 16:43:08] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[22-Oct-2010 16:45:06] <bigegor> xuru: try native isql client. rename pyodbc.so and restart zenoss.
[22-Oct-2010 16:55:37] <xuru> bigegor: grrr   same thing...   isql connects just fine, but it uses a DSN (which is pretty much the same info as my connection string)
[22-Oct-2010 16:56:25] <xuru> is ${here/manageIp} the correct syntax for the server IP?
[22-Oct-2010 16:57:28] <bigegor> you can try ${dev/manageIp}
[22-Oct-2010 16:59:37] * xuru sighs
[22-Oct-2010 16:59:48] <xuru> nothing seems to make a difference
[22-Oct-2010 17:04:41] <xuru> guess I'll have to uninstall the zenpack.  bigegor: thanks for the help
[22-Oct-2010 17:06:40] <bigegor> xuru: one more idea: you can set connection string to 'DSN=DSNNAME' and put UID and PWD in DSN
[22-Oct-2010 17:07:07] <xuru> ok, I'll give it a try
[22-Oct-2010 17:07:47] <cgibbons> omg
[22-Oct-2010 17:08:29] <mducharme-laptop> ugh.. stupid OTRS
[22-Oct-2010 17:08:29] * mducharme-laptop kicks OTRS
[22-Oct-2010 17:11:17] <rmatte> lol
[22-Oct-2010 17:11:26] <rmatte> what's the problem with it?
[22-Oct-2010 17:13:49] <davetoo> otrs > or < than RT?
[22-Oct-2010 17:15:11] <davetoo> so do we have pretty good LDAP auth with Core now?
[22-Oct-2010 17:15:50] <rmatte> LDAP has always worked in Core, it's just not braindead simple to setup
[22-Oct-2010 17:15:55] <xuru> bigegor: I'm getting a login failure because it's using the windows login now (which I took out because it didn't work for some reason [our end probably])
[22-Oct-2010 17:16:15] <rmatte> davetoo: I personally find OTRS to be more powerful than RT
[22-Oct-2010 17:17:28] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[22-Oct-2010 17:18:31] <bigegor> xuru: maybe FreeTDS has some options to force sql login. I don't know.
[22-Oct-2010 17:18:50] <mducharme-laptop> rmatte well
[22-Oct-2010 17:19:03] <mducharme-laptop> I just installed a fresh copy of the current OTRS version
[22-Oct-2010 17:19:11] <mducharme-laptop> and the current ITSM on top of it
[22-Oct-2010 17:19:53] <mducharme-laptop> I keep getting the error message: Can't locate object method "EventHandlerInit" via package "Kernel::System::ITSMChange" at /opt/otrs//Kernel/System/ITSMChange.pm line 142.
[22-Oct-2010 17:19:54] <xuru> bigegor: taking DSN out of the string makes it see the UID=/PWD= in the string again (and yeah, I tried it in the /etc/odbc.ini DSN as well and not in the string)
[22-Oct-2010 17:20:04] <mducharme-laptop> in random places
[22-Oct-2010 17:20:25] <mducharme-laptop> I think the double-slash in that file path is probably causing some kind of problem
[22-Oct-2010 17:20:31] <mducharme-laptop> but have no idea what is calling it
[22-Oct-2010 17:20:32] <xuru> bigegor: so the sql username I'm using is connecting, it just can't get to "data source (0)"
[22-Oct-2010 17:21:05] <bigegor> xuru: rights problem?
[22-Oct-2010 17:21:45] <xuru> using the same user, I can query stuff out of the database using pyodbc without issues...
[22-Oct-2010 17:22:25] <xuru> what database does it add to the connection string?
[22-Oct-2010 17:23:33] <bigegor> master
[22-Oct-2010 17:25:19] <mducharme-laptop> it's really irritating
[22-Oct-2010 17:26:15] <Sam-I-Am> hmm... figured out a 2-point avg CF will make sysuptime happy in zenoss
[22-Oct-2010 17:26:46] <xuru> bigegor: ok, I added every possible rights, and doesn't make a difference
[22-Oct-2010 17:28:49] <bigegor> xuru: sorry, i have no idea  I can only say, that i'm using it to monitor SQL2005 64-bit cluster with 8 SqlServer Instances.
[22-Oct-2010 17:34:01] <xuru> bigegor: np, it could be something unrelated too *shrug*
[22-Oct-2010 17:49:22] <wvcain> THANK due to bigegor for the zenpacks.   Just used the WMI one.
[22-Oct-2010 17:49:37] <wvcain> I assume you are the author of WMI
[22-Oct-2010 17:50:04] <bigegor> author of WMI is Microsoft 
[22-Oct-2010 17:50:13] <xuru> hehe
[22-Oct-2010 17:50:21] <wvcain> but of course...
[22-Oct-2010 17:50:31] <xuru> I'm using the WMI zenpacks as well, thanks!
[22-Oct-2010 17:50:31] <bigegor> but WMIDataSouurce is my
[22-Oct-2010 17:51:10] <bigegor> i'm also using it  np
[22-Oct-2010 17:54:59] <wvcain> Question for the wise:  I have software lists from servers via HostResource MIB.  I want to do some research; if it was SQL I could build the selects but the data is in Zope.  Where to go to understand Zope towards doing SQL'ish selects.
[22-Oct-2010 17:55:33] <wvcain> New to the object oriented database thing.
[22-Oct-2010 17:56:04] <xuru> I wish you can shift-select more then one entry in the events tab
[22-Oct-2010 17:56:26] <rmatte> xuru: they'll have that added back at some point
[22-Oct-2010 17:56:58] <xuru> combined with the select all bug...  very annoying
[22-Oct-2010 17:57:05] <rmatte> yup
[22-Oct-2010 17:57:09] <cgibbons> it's not annoying; it's really lame.
[22-Oct-2010 17:57:19] <xuru> hehe
[22-Oct-2010 17:57:21] <rmatte> the select all bug will be fixed in 3.0.3 I believe
[22-Oct-2010 17:57:21] <cgibbons> you can at least control-select events
[22-Oct-2010 17:57:32] <xuru> yeah
[22-Oct-2010 17:57:47] <rmatte> yeh, but control-selecting events is a huge waste of time if you want to close like 30 of them
[22-Oct-2010 17:57:57] <cgibbons> oh yes
[22-Oct-2010 17:57:59] <xuru> exactly
[22-Oct-2010 17:58:12] <rmatte> then shift select was nice while it lasted
[22-Oct-2010 17:58:18] <rmatte> would be nice to see it fixed and re-implemented
[22-Oct-2010 17:58:29] <rmatte> s/then/the
[22-Oct-2010 18:00:12] <mray> even though it was broken?
[22-Oct-2010 18:00:20] <xuru> yeah, especially when bigegor's zenpacks goes crazy and adds 50 at a time    j/k
[22-Oct-2010 18:02:38] <rmatte> mray: the fact that it was broken didn't affect me personally since I don't actually use the event console unless I'm doing development work, or just clearing events out for whatever reason
[22-Oct-2010 18:02:58] <rmatte> but that's why I said that it would be nice for it to be fixed and re-implemented
[22-Oct-2010 18:03:25] <mray> rmatte: yeah, unfortunately it's one of those things that will probably remain unfixed
[22-Oct-2010 18:03:58] <rmatte> then they should add checkboxes for selecting events so that people can at least use things like checkboxmate
[22-Oct-2010 18:04:15] <rmatte> that's one thing I miss about the old console, the checkmarks
[22-Oct-2010 18:04:16] <rmatte> lol
[22-Oct-2010 18:04:29] <rmatte> I'm going to miss it big time for things like interfaces
[22-Oct-2010 18:04:47] <xuru> seriously?  My boss is holding off buying enterprise because of some of these UI issues...
[22-Oct-2010 18:05:07] <xuru> well, and the price, but...
[22-Oct-2010 18:05:25] <rmatte> well, I think it would be more the price combined with the bugs lol
[22-Oct-2010 18:05:40] <mray> xuru: I just meant it's a low priority compared to fixing bugs and adding features
[22-Oct-2010 18:05:49] <xuru> yeah, but if I was going to spend 20k on a product, it should just work
[22-Oct-2010 18:06:13] <mray> heh, that's what everybody thinks
[22-Oct-2010 18:06:17] <mray> all software has bugs
[22-Oct-2010 18:06:24] <xuru> mray: I agree that everything needs to be prioritized.  It's just these kind of things are highly visible
[22-Oct-2010 18:06:24] <mray> even when you pay millions for it
[22-Oct-2010 18:06:34] <cgibbons> the more it costs the more horrible bugs it has
[22-Oct-2010 18:06:56] <rmatte> yeh, but most software projects don't give bugs the back seat to adding features
[22-Oct-2010 18:07:00] <rmatte> it's the other way around
[22-Oct-2010 18:07:04] <cgibbons> i do think for all teh time we've spent discussing this particular issue (it comes up a LOT internally) we coul dhave fixed it a few times over, alas
[22-Oct-2010 18:07:24] <xuru> hehe, true
[22-Oct-2010 18:07:27] <rmatte> I suppose microsoft does, but I certainly wouldn't model myself after them
[22-Oct-2010 18:07:34] <cgibbons> mmmmmm i've never worked at a software company were that is actually true
[22-Oct-2010 18:07:36] <xuru> Maybe I'll have a look at it soon
[22-Oct-2010 18:08:22] <cgibbons> the quality bar moves between companies, and what  qualifies as an important enough defect moves, but features always come first... sometimes you get lucky and have a release that's a fixin' release, but it's pretty rare
[22-Oct-2010 18:08:29] <rmatte> cgibbons: you really think that projects like firefox would put off fixing usability bugs in favour of adding new features?
[22-Oct-2010 18:08:38] <cgibbons> they do in fact
[22-Oct-2010 18:08:49] <xuru> it's all about sales
[22-Oct-2010 18:09:00] <cgibbons> you can just go look through their bugzilla to see that
[22-Oct-2010 18:09:10] <rmatte> Well if they do they do a mighty good job of hiding it
[22-Oct-2010 18:09:12] <cgibbons> they do, however, have users that actually contribute and fix those core bugs instead of just stuff like zenpacks 
[22-Oct-2010 18:09:27] <cgibbons> (that's a hint, egor)
[22-Oct-2010 18:09:31] <cgibbons> get to work!
[22-Oct-2010 18:09:34] <mray> and with that… I'm out of here
[22-Oct-2010 18:09:34] <xuru> hehe
[22-Oct-2010 18:09:38] <cgibbons> seeya matt
[22-Oct-2010 18:09:40] <rmatte> lol
[22-Oct-2010 18:09:42] <rmatte> later
[22-Oct-2010 18:09:43] <xuru> later
[22-Oct-2010 18:10:53] <xuru> why is it that when I bring up the details on an event, it sometimes says:  Unable to connect to the server and wants me to reload the page?
[22-Oct-2010 18:11:09] <rmatte> yeh, I get that a lot too
[22-Oct-2010 18:11:12] * rmatte shrugs
[22-Oct-2010 18:11:18] <xuru> usually with snmp traps
[22-Oct-2010 18:11:26] <rmatte> another bug probably
[22-Oct-2010 18:11:27] <rmatte> who knows
[22-Oct-2010 18:11:29] <cgibbons> huh
[22-Oct-2010 18:12:03] <rmatte> cgibbons: I'll be working with the event console and then I get a "Unable to connect to the server" popup and I have to refresh the page to continue using the event console
[22-Oct-2010 18:12:13] <rmatte> It happens at least a couple of times a day to me
[22-Oct-2010 18:12:13] <xuru> hmm... how do I get it to give me a better trap message then "snmp trap synoptic.6.1.5.0.31"?
[22-Oct-2010 18:12:19] <rmatte> and I don't even use the event console as heavily as most
[22-Oct-2010 18:12:27] <cgibbons> that sucks, no traceback spam in the z2.log when that happens?
[22-Oct-2010 18:12:36] <rmatte> not that I've seen
[22-Oct-2010 18:12:42] <xuru> when it happens to me (like the trap) it's consistant
[22-Oct-2010 18:12:44] <rmatte> I'll have to check next time it happens
[22-Oct-2010 18:13:00] <cgibbons> if either you have firebug, try it with that enabled, you should see a specific connection fail there when it does
[22-Oct-2010 18:13:14] <cgibbons> it would be interesting to know if the URL got munged or something like that, or if the server is returning some http error code
[22-Oct-2010 18:13:28] <rmatte> ok, good pointer, I'll check that too
[22-Oct-2010 18:14:32] <rmatte> counter datasource + threshold = 2 events no matter what
[22-Oct-2010 18:14:44] <rmatte> even though the counter only increased on the first polling cycle
[22-Oct-2010 18:15:09] <rmatte> oh well, guess our event counts will just be inaccurate
[22-Oct-2010 18:16:15] <xuru> ok, so I got that server exception and firebug open
[22-Oct-2010 18:16:26] <xuru> what is it you wanted to see?
[22-Oct-2010 18:17:02] <rmatte> look for a connection fail
[22-Oct-2010 18:17:08] <rmatte> and look for abnormalities in the URL
[22-Oct-2010 18:17:17] <cgibbons> you'll need to be in the Net tab of firebug, should h ave said that, too
[22-Oct-2010 18:17:32] <cgibbons> also for you,since it's happening more often, see if there's any spam in Z2.log
[22-Oct-2010 18:19:26] <xuru> ok, no spam in the logs
[22-Oct-2010 18:19:31] <xuru> I have the net info
[22-Oct-2010 18:20:00] <rmatte> pastebin the net info
[22-Oct-2010 18:20:01] <xuru> wow, this is pretty slick
[22-Oct-2010 18:20:09] <rmatte> yeh, firebug is pimp
[22-Oct-2010 18:20:12] <rmatte> I use it all the time
[22-Oct-2010 18:20:41] <xuru> never used the net window
[22-Oct-2010 18:21:49] <xuru> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/279010/
[22-Oct-2010 18:22:03] <mducharme-laptop> woo yes
[22-Oct-2010 18:22:05] <mducharme-laptop> otrs is working
[22-Oct-2010 18:22:07] <xuru> is that what you wanted to see?
[22-Oct-2010 18:22:44] <xuru> there were two that had Internal Server Error
[22-Oct-2010 18:23:54] <cgibbons> ok so a  http 500 back, so yeah that definitely means zope had some sort of error
[22-Oct-2010 18:24:03] <cgibbons> so there should really be some spam in your Z2log or something
[22-Oct-2010 18:24:13] <xuru> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/279011/
[22-Oct-2010 18:24:20] <xuru> nothing
[22-Oct-2010 18:24:59] <xuru> that post is the response from that POST
[22-Oct-2010 18:25:09] <cgibbons> looka bs hem
[22-Oct-2010 18:25:15] <cgibbons> er, looks bad, hmm
[22-Oct-2010 18:26:10] <cgibbons> that might be happening from some data in an event that has some unicode decoding problems, that would xplain the behavior you're seeing
[22-Oct-2010 18:26:17] <cgibbons> i think i recall hearing about something like that in a defect review recently
[22-Oct-2010 18:26:57] <rmatte> It appears to be erroring on...
[22-Oct-2010 18:26:59] <rmatte> Products/ZenUI3/browser/resources/js/deploy/zenoss-compiled.js
[22-Oct-2010 18:27:01] <rmatte> line 10
[22-Oct-2010 18:27:47] <rmatte> too bad the whole damn function is written on 1 line
[22-Oct-2010 18:27:56] <rmatte> so it's impossible to know exactly what it's not liking in that
[22-Oct-2010 18:27:59] <cgibbons> there's a way to get the friendly version
[22-Oct-2010 18:28:08] <cgibbons> if you're running in debug mode, it uses the non-compiled version of the javascript
[22-Oct-2010 18:28:12] <cgibbons> slower, but it's not compressed
[22-Oct-2010 18:29:55] <cgibbons> xuru: if you can get it to happen consistently by opening up a specific event, open a defect with that event detail if you can, it'll be a big clue
[22-Oct-2010 18:30:02] <cgibbons> must go, have a weekend
[22-Oct-2010 18:30:18] <rmatte> pretty sure he meant "have a good weekend"
[22-Oct-2010 18:30:21] <rmatte> lol
[22-Oct-2010 18:31:24] <rmatte> xuru: if you run in debug mode and get another network tab dump we can probably pinpoint exactly what part of the javascript it's choking on
[22-Oct-2010 18:37:38] <xuru> k, I have to get going... maybe tomorrow
[22-Oct-2010 18:38:01] <rmatte> k
[22-Oct-2010 18:38:03] <rmatte> later
[22-Oct-2010 18:38:06] <xuru> thanks though
[22-Oct-2010 18:38:20] <rmatte> np
[22-Oct-2010 18:38:21] <xuru> well, I'm not leaving, I just have to get working on something else
[22-Oct-2010 18:38:28] <rmatte> ah, I've gotta head home
[22-Oct-2010 18:38:29] <rmatte> ttyl
[22-Oct-2010 18:38:35] <xuru> later
[22-Oct-2010 18:43:34] <wvcain> To all a good weekend... bye.
[22-Oct-2010 19:03:03] <Sam-I-Am> .
[22-Oct-2010 19:03:59] <Orv> Are WMI polls done at the same rate as SNMP polls, by default?
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[23-Oct-2010 12:50:35] <sergeymasushko> weird situation. I tried to change IP address on a device and it says that this IP is aready assigned. but I do not see a device with this ip address...
[23-Oct-2010 12:55:59] <sergeymasushko> here is what I tried... http://fpaste.org/ew65/
[23-Oct-2010 12:57:10] <Simon4> you could navigate through the "networks"  UI, and find the ip address, see if there's an owner, and if not delete it
[23-Oct-2010 12:57:19] <Simon4> I think it's under "infrastructure" in v3
[23-Oct-2010 12:59:37] <sergeymasushko> Simon4: THANKS A LOT...
[23-Oct-2010 17:58:26] <willwh> hi folks
[23-Oct-2010 17:58:35] <willwh> bigegor: are you here? 
[23-Oct-2010 18:04:32] <willwh> is anyone using the MySQLmon zenpack?
[23-Oct-2010 18:06:19] <willwh> it's installed ok for me, but no news graphs
[23-Oct-2010 18:06:24] <willwh> to I have to manualy templates?
[23-Oct-2010 18:06:33] <willwh> the device itself is using the /Server template
[23-Oct-2010 18:07:59] <willwh> and I have a msqld process being monitored over snmp
[23-Oct-2010 18:16:16] <Orv> willwh: Did you remodel the device?
[23-Oct-2010 18:18:44] <willwh> I don't think I have since I restarted zenoss
[23-Oct-2010 18:18:47] <willwh> hang on 
[23-Oct-2010 18:19:23] <willwh> "no change in configuration"
[23-Oct-2010 18:19:45] <willwh> hmm
[23-Oct-2010 18:23:20] <willwh> Orv: where's the best place to start troubleshooting?
[23-Oct-2010 18:24:23] <Orv> willwh: I'm afraid you're asking the wrong person; I've only been using Zenoss for about 4 months :-/
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[23-Oct-2010 18:32:41] <willwh> ok 
[23-Oct-2010 18:32:55] <willwh> I have been for longer, but 2.5x - and never installed custom zenpacks
[23-Oct-2010 18:33:16] <willwh> this is a 3x deploy for testing
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[25-Oct-2010 08:18:31] <jmp242> willwh: you there?
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[25-Oct-2010 10:20:46] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[25-Oct-2010 10:21:39] <rmatte> moo indeed
[25-Oct-2010 10:22:10] <Sam-I-Am> precious caffeine molecules
[25-Oct-2010 10:22:17] <rmatte> lol
[25-Oct-2010 10:22:25] <Sam-I-Am> (notadrug)
[25-Oct-2010 10:23:54] <rmatte> I'm remodelling and renaming around 40 devices right now, boooooring
[25-Oct-2010 10:24:17] <Sam-I-Am> sometimes i wonder what sort of crack the redhat/centos "fastestmirror" plugin smokes
[25-Oct-2010 10:24:43] <Sam-I-Am> i've got 13 gigs of internet connectivity and it always seems to find the server that pushes about 100k/s
[25-Oct-2010 10:24:51] <rmatte> lol
[25-Oct-2010 10:26:26] <Sam-I-Am> dammit, i'm just going to get out and push
[25-Oct-2010 10:26:43] <Sam-I-Am> stupid dumptrucks in my tubes
[25-Oct-2010 10:28:30] <cgibbons> it's faster than 30k/s!
[25-Oct-2010 10:28:32] <rmatte> 
[25-Oct-2010 10:45:23] <fragfutter> Sam-I-Am: wait until you need to access official redhat servers...
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[25-Oct-2010 10:50:39] <Sam-I-Am> fragfutter: that bad?
[25-Oct-2010 10:51:07] <fragfutter> Sam-I-Am: sometimes
[25-Oct-2010 10:52:00] <fragfutter> that's my reason to run all avaluation and tests with centos. kickstarting and updating a centos system takes 1/10th of the time i need to wait for a redhat update
[25-Oct-2010 10:53:11] <tehhobbit> Sam-I-Am: use local mirror then
[25-Oct-2010 10:54:58] <Simon4> hmm.. anyone know if interface "drops" are exposed via snmp in net-snmp?
[25-Oct-2010 11:01:30] <rmatte> "drops"?
[25-Oct-2010 11:01:45] <rmatte> you mean time of last reset?
[25-Oct-2010 11:02:27] <Simon4> I can get errors, but not drops in the IF-MIB it seems
[25-Oct-2010 11:02:33] <Simon4> RX packets:303626462994 errors:2 dropped:2312873 overruns:0 frame:1
[25-Oct-2010 11:02:33] <Simon4> the "dropped" number
[25-Oct-2010 11:02:42] <rmatte> The closest thing is ifLastChange I believe
[25-Oct-2010 11:02:49] <rmatte> which just tells you the last time the interface dropped
[25-Oct-2010 11:03:08] <rmatte> (based on number of timeticks since bootup)
[25-Oct-2010 11:03:28] <fragfutter> i think packets dropped is meant. that shout be ifInDiscard
[25-Oct-2010 11:03:45] <Simon4> yeah, going to try and catch it from the switch end instead
[25-Oct-2010 11:03:46] <rmatte> ifInDiscard is just discarded packets
[25-Oct-2010 11:03:50] <rmatte> but yeh, I think he's right
[25-Oct-2010 11:03:57] <rmatte> dropped is probably discarded packets
[25-Oct-2010 11:04:00] <rmatte> not interface resets
[25-Oct-2010 11:04:12] <Simon4> indeed
[25-Oct-2010 11:05:11] * fragfutter scratches his brain. what the heck is "shout"? what did i think? 
[25-Oct-2010 11:05:57] <Sam-I-Am> drops are discards
[25-Oct-2010 11:06:32] <Sam-I-Am> errors are... errors.
[25-Oct-2010 11:07:01] <Sam-I-Am> on some devices, vendor-specific mibs may let you read why packets were dropped
[25-Oct-2010 12:09:59] <willwh> jmp242: I'm here now - you?
[25-Oct-2010 12:10:50] <Parabola> wheres 303?
[25-Oct-2010 12:24:52] <Parabola> 
[25-Oct-2010 12:25:22] <Sam-I-Am> heh... sysmin is out of town, and i still have a ticket open on zenoss 3
[25-Oct-2010 12:25:34] <Sam-I-Am> so i made another vm and installed 3 just to respond to the ticket
[25-Oct-2010 12:31:19] <wvcain> Is there a way, via a GUI, to add/extend a device's attributes.  Looking at adding maintenance vendor and expiration or something like that.  Ideas?
[25-Oct-2010 12:31:45] <wvcain> Also is there a way to query, like SQL, the zope database?
[25-Oct-2010 12:31:55] <rmatte> wvcain nope, not really, you can create custom properties (similar to zProperties), but I doubt that's what you'd want
[25-Oct-2010 12:32:09] <rmatte> wvcain: to query the zope database you use zendmd
[25-Oct-2010 12:32:38] <wvcain> Can go dev style.  Noted a new developer guide.  Sounds like zProperties are the way to go.
[25-Oct-2010 12:32:51] <rmatte> well, cProperties, not zProperties in that case
[25-Oct-2010 12:32:52] <rmatte> but yeh
[25-Oct-2010 12:33:01] <rmatte> cProperties can be added via the UI
[25-Oct-2010 12:33:55] <wvcain> Did some basic stuff with zendmd.  Don't really get how the data is layed out... don't no the analog to select * from foo where device = "bar%"  Is there a ood doc or tutorial for ZenOSS specific stuff?
[25-Oct-2010 12:34:39] <rmatte> well, you can't actually do a select statement...
[25-Oct-2010 12:34:50] <rmatte> you're just calling on specific functions to pull data
[25-Oct-2010 12:35:41] <rmatte> for instance, if you wanted to list the hostname and IP of every device you'd do...
[25-Oct-2010 12:35:53] <rmatte> for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices():
[25-Oct-2010 12:36:22] <rmatte>  print "%s - %s" % (d.getId(),d.getManageIp())
[25-Oct-2010 12:37:04] <rmatte> If you wanted to also list the snmp community string for each device you'd do...
[25-Oct-2010 12:37:18] <rmatte>  print "%s - %s - %s" % (d.getId(),d.getManageIp(),d.zSnmpCommunity)
[25-Oct-2010 12:37:31] <wvcain> So where is the "attributes" documented... d.getID() and other of similar ilk.
[25-Oct-2010 12:37:50] <rmatte> they aren't really documented anywhere, zendmd has tab completion though
[25-Oct-2010 12:37:52] <rmatte> you can do...
[25-Oct-2010 12:38:00] <rmatte> d = dmd.Devices.findDevice('devicename')
[25-Oct-2010 12:38:04] <rmatte> then type d. and hit tab
[25-Oct-2010 12:38:10] <rmatte> and you'll see a full list of objects/functions
[25-Oct-2010 12:38:17] <rmatte> or d.get and hit tab
[25-Oct-2010 12:38:21] <rmatte> to see all the get functions
[25-Oct-2010 12:38:50] <rmatte> you can test them out right in zendmd to make sure they give the data that you want
[25-Oct-2010 12:39:00] <rmatte> you can also just do d = find('devicename')
[25-Oct-2010 12:39:02] <rmatte> easier to remember
[25-Oct-2010 12:39:13] <rmatte> I just like doing dmd.Devices.findDevice since it's more efficient when scripting
[25-Oct-2010 12:40:34] <rmatte> also, if you wanted to list all devices under the Network class, instead of "for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices():" you would do "for d in dmd.Devices.Network.getSubDevices():"
[25-Oct-2010 12:40:47] <rmatte> or dmd.Devices.Network.Cisco.getSubDevices()
[25-Oct-2010 12:40:51] <rmatte> whatever the path happens to be
[25-Oct-2010 12:41:18] <wvcain> I like the idea of path/class structures.  Very clean; unlike other big NMSes.
[25-Oct-2010 12:41:48] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Oct-2010 12:41:59] <rmatte> Solarwinds is a nightmare for that
[25-Oct-2010 12:42:18] <wvcain> (Yea Management like that nightmare.
[25-Oct-2010 12:42:22] <rmatte> yup
[25-Oct-2010 12:44:00] <wvcain> Did search in pdfs (doc) for zProperties and cProperites.  No direct hit.  Will do some research and if still lost, get back.  THanks for the pointers.  Bye
[25-Oct-2010 12:44:32] <rmatte> well... what version of Zenoss are you using?
[25-Oct-2010 12:45:17] <wvcain> 3.0.2.  (but will have migrate  a legacy system from 2.x when I finish building the new one.
[25-Oct-2010 12:45:38] <rmatte> k, I know how to create cProperties from the UI in 2.5... checking my 3.0 install to see where they moved it to
[25-Oct-2010 12:46:01] <rmatte> ah, there it is
[25-Oct-2010 12:46:06] <rmatte> go to Infrastructure
[25-Oct-2010 12:46:12] <rmatte> then click on the Details button on the left
[25-Oct-2010 12:46:18] <rmatte> then click on Custom Schema
[25-Oct-2010 12:46:32] <rmatte> cDateTest is an example that should already be present
[25-Oct-2010 12:46:43] <rmatte> you could call something cWhatever and add it from there
[25-Oct-2010 12:47:13] <rmatte> once it's created you can just do...
[25-Oct-2010 12:47:31] <rmatte> d = dmd.Devices.findDevice('devicename')
[25-Oct-2010 12:47:37] <rmatte> d.cWhatever
[25-Oct-2010 12:47:44] <rmatte> or actually use the for loop
[25-Oct-2010 12:47:51] <rmatte> for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices():
[25-Oct-2010 12:47:55] <rmatte>  d.cWhatever
[25-Oct-2010 12:48:10] <rmatte> Orv: print "%s" % (d.cWhatever)
[25-Oct-2010 12:48:14] <rmatte> bah
[25-Oct-2010 12:48:17] <rmatte> meant to type or:
[25-Oct-2010 12:48:25] <rmatte> client auto-completed to Orv lol
[25-Oct-2010 12:48:38] <wvcain> That is it.  Can you do this for a class or just a device.
[25-Oct-2010 12:48:53] <rmatte> hmmmm, I think it applies to classes as well
[25-Oct-2010 12:49:08] <rmatte> yeh it does
[25-Oct-2010 12:49:08] <wvcain> devices.server.linux.mylinux.  No gui, but there is alwas the command line.
[25-Oct-2010 12:49:16] <rmatte> right there you're adding it at the top level
[25-Oct-2010 12:49:32] <wvcain> Ah.  got to flip from tree to details.. I bet.
[25-Oct-2010 12:49:38] <rmatte> yes
[25-Oct-2010 12:49:49] <rmatte> details shows the details for whatever you have highlighted in the tree view
[25-Oct-2010 12:49:51] <wvcain> Yep there it is.
[25-Oct-2010 12:50:23] <wvcain> thank you,
[25-Oct-2010 12:50:49] <rmatte> no problem
[25-Oct-2010 13:10:01] <cgibbons> tada!
[25-Oct-2010 13:12:02] <rmatte> ?
[25-Oct-2010 13:35:01] <ashp> hmm, is there any kind of rest api or whatever the hell people use now whereby I can get machines into maint mode
[25-Oct-2010 13:35:11] <ashp> we use something called 'vibe' to do our netapp vm snapshots
[25-Oct-2010 13:35:24] <ashp> and i was thinking to put machines into maintenance mode when it triggers as it causes timeouts overnight
[25-Oct-2010 13:35:26] <mray> ashp: JSON API: community/documentation/official_documentation/api
[25-Oct-2010 13:35:53] <mray> if production states aren't covered, open a ticket and I'll try to get Development to update the doc to cover them
[25-Oct-2010 13:35:55] <ashp> ahhh, ok, i'll take a look and see if i can hack that vibe thing to do what i want
[25-Oct-2010 13:37:16] <ashp> setProductionState()
[25-Oct-2010 13:39:25] <davetoo> I don't remember hearing about this JSON API
[25-Oct-2010 13:42:48] <willwh> hi guys, anyone using the MySQL Zenpack from bigegor?
[25-Oct-2010 13:42:56] <willwh> I installed it - but not quite sure how to get it going
[25-Oct-2010 13:43:28] <willwh> I have added connection string / user / pass in the Config Properties
[25-Oct-2010 13:43:35] <willwh> although I don't see the graph templates at all
[25-Oct-2010 13:43:46] <willwh> device has the /Server template bound
[25-Oct-2010 13:43:56] <willwh> I have restarted zenoss since adding the zenpack too
[25-Oct-2010 13:44:02] <willwh> can anyone offer any pointers? 
[25-Oct-2010 13:44:29] <nickanderson> Interesting, I am getting Error reading value for an snmp oid, but I can querythe same oid manually and get a result
[25-Oct-2010 13:44:36] <nickanderson> ideas?
[25-Oct-2010 13:46:12] <rmatte> nice, I just had a new project dumped on me, OSSIM
[25-Oct-2010 13:46:19] <rmatte> so I have to learn that now
[25-Oct-2010 13:48:03] <rmatte> nickanderson: yes, when you're querying it you're using snmpwalk which doesn't care if you're querying a tree or an actual OID
[25-Oct-2010 13:48:20] <rmatte> do the snmpwalk with the -On option and you'll see what the actual OID is
[25-Oct-2010 13:48:36] <rmatte> usually it's just a matter of adding .0 to the end of it
[25-Oct-2010 13:48:41] <rmatte> but it can be a different value sometimes
[25-Oct-2010 13:50:24] <davetoo> rmatte: OSSIM?  URL?
[25-Oct-2010 13:51:27] <davetoo> http://www.ossim.org/OSSIM/OSSIM.html   <-- *that* ossim?
[25-Oct-2010 13:52:33] <davetoo> or this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSSIM
[25-Oct-2010 13:52:42] <rmatte> no
[25-Oct-2010 13:52:45] <rmatte> http://www.alienvault.com/products.php?section=OpenSourceSIM
[25-Oct-2010 13:53:03] <davetoo> *nod*
[25-Oct-2010 13:53:31] <rmatte> the interface is actually pretty awesome
[25-Oct-2010 13:53:42] <rmatte> it has a nagios backend but the front-end is very nice
[25-Oct-2010 13:54:55] <willwh> no one able to offer any tips for my little zenpack issue?
[25-Oct-2010 13:56:18] <rmatte> willwh: there is no such thing as a /Server template
[25-Oct-2010 13:56:33] <rmatte> willwh: you need to make sure that whatever MySQL template the ZenPack added is bound to the device
[25-Oct-2010 13:57:06] <rmatte> /Server is a device class
[25-Oct-2010 13:57:37] <willwh> ok, so how do I ensure the mysql template is bound? (it's not currently)
[25-Oct-2010 13:58:11] <rmatte> eugh hold on, I acidentally typed /server as an IRC command and my irc client is going apeshit
[25-Oct-2010 13:58:38] <willwh> eep
[25-Oct-2010 13:58:55] <ianAtWork> I'm having difficulty with the DnsMonitor ZenPack throwing a TypeError with args of ('Could not adapt', , ).  I'm using the latest ZenOSS Core Debian stack insatller and the DNS ZenPack from the distribution page.
[25-Oct-2010 13:59:10] <ianAtWork> Googling for this error doens't reveal anything useful.  Does anyone have any pointers?
[25-Oct-2010 13:59:23] <rmatte> eugh, brb
[25-Oct-2010 14:00:44] <rmatte> willwh: binding templates is covered in the admin guide by the way
[25-Oct-2010 14:00:53] <willwh> alright, I'll take a week, thank you
[25-Oct-2010 14:00:57] <willwh> peek**
[25-Oct-2010 14:01:01] <rmatte> lol
[25-Oct-2010 14:01:17] <rmatte> you're using 3.0 I assume?
[25-Oct-2010 14:01:45] <rmatte> If you want to bind templates for a class you go to Infrastructure
[25-Oct-2010 14:01:48] <rmatte> highlight the device class
[25-Oct-2010 14:01:56] <rmatte> then in the bottom left gear menu select bind templates
[25-Oct-2010 14:02:09] <rmatte> you can also do the same thing right from the device page of the device if you want to just bind it to a single device
[25-Oct-2010 14:04:36] <ianAtWork> I get the error with the LDAPServer plugin too.  Looks like anything I add externally gets that error?
[25-Oct-2010 14:04:41] <nickanderson> rmatte: no .0 is appeneded to that oid
[25-Oct-2010 14:04:59] <ianAtWork> I'm using the the 2.6 .eggs
[25-Oct-2010 14:05:40] <rmatte> nickanderson: then I have no idea, the way Zenoss queries snmp is different than snmpwalk
[25-Oct-2010 14:05:48] <rmatte> like I said, you need the exact OID, so something is wrong with the OID
[25-Oct-2010 14:06:00] <nickanderson> that oid works on other devices
[25-Oct-2010 14:06:04] <nickanderson> (F5 load balancer)
[25-Oct-2010 14:06:15] <nickanderson> same software rev
[25-Oct-2010 14:06:16] <rmatte> then perhaps that 1 specific device has a different OID with something different than .0
[25-Oct-2010 14:06:18] <davetoo> argh
[25-Oct-2010 14:06:22] <rmatte> indexes can vary from device to device
[25-Oct-2010 14:06:47] <nickanderson> but it works when i query the same oid on multiple devices manually
[25-Oct-2010 14:06:57] <rmatte> another thing you can try is lowering the zMaxOIDPerRequest property for that device
[25-Oct-2010 14:07:04] <nickanderson> k
[25-Oct-2010 14:07:05] <rmatte> it defaults to 40, lower it to 10
[25-Oct-2010 14:07:35] <rmatte> yeh, querying them manually uses snmpwalk though
[25-Oct-2010 14:07:41] <rmatte> Zenoss doesn't use snmpwalk, it uses twisted
[25-Oct-2010 14:07:48] <rmatte> twisted is more sensitive about OIDs
[25-Oct-2010 14:08:26] <rmatte> for instance, I might do an snmpwalk on 1.2.3.4.5 on one device and see a value of 1.2.3.4.5.0, but on another device it might be 1.2.3.4.5.22
[25-Oct-2010 14:08:32] <rmatte> it depends on how the indexing is done
[25-Oct-2010 14:08:39] <rmatte> if it's not static then it'll vary from device to device
[25-Oct-2010 14:08:47] <nickanderson> Right, these are static
[25-Oct-2010 14:09:03] <rmatte> k, then zMaxOIDPerRequest is your best bet
[25-Oct-2010 14:09:07] <nickanderson> ok thanks
[25-Oct-2010 14:09:09] <nickanderson> trying it now
[25-Oct-2010 14:09:18] <rmatte> you might want to do: zenperfsnmp run -v10 -d <devicename> and look for errors
[25-Oct-2010 14:11:24] <davetoo> feh
[25-Oct-2010 14:11:35] <willwh> rmatte: odd, I don't have any available Bind Templates when I at the infrastructure page
[25-Oct-2010 14:11:51] <willwh> it shows my selected; Device (/Server)
[25-Oct-2010 14:11:57] <willwh> but nothing in the available list.
[25-Oct-2010 14:12:02] <ericenns> is there any documentation on how to setup wmi monitoring
[25-Oct-2010 14:12:08] <willwh> and yes, I am running 3.0
[25-Oct-2010 14:13:01] <nickanderson> oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.3375.2.2.10.11.3.1.6.1.4.192.41.9.73 is bad thats really descriptive
[25-Oct-2010 14:15:01] <rmatte> willwh: perhaps the template is actually in /Server/Windows?
[25-Oct-2010 14:15:15] <rmatte> willwh: templates can be at different levels, you won't see them at higher levels if they are at a lower level
[25-Oct-2010 14:15:22] <sciolist> nickanderson:  so F5 has their own enterprise mib... nice
[25-Oct-2010 14:15:54] <nickanderson> sciolist: using it to track traffic on "Virtual Servers"
[25-Oct-2010 14:16:01] <ianAtWork> Anyone?  A quick hint as to why I get Server Exception and TypeErrors with every ZenPack I install?
[25-Oct-2010 14:16:20] <nickanderson> so the situation is I have 2 load balancers, I have a template that collects information on a bunch of these oids
[25-Oct-2010 14:16:24] <nickanderson> they work fine.
[25-Oct-2010 14:16:38] <sciolist> I've seen that OID nomenclature before, too (IP == oid_index)
[25-Oct-2010 14:16:40] <willwh> rmatte: odd, seems that no matter which template I look at, I see no available templates
[25-Oct-2010 14:16:44] <willwh> which seems strange.
[25-Oct-2010 14:17:36] <Orv> ianAtWork: You're installing them as the zenoss user, right?
[25-Oct-2010 14:17:44] <nickanderson> the $boss wants only one graph, so that data is only in one graph, there is an internal vip that follows the active LB, but when i tried adding that as a device i cant seem to pull the snmp data with zenoss
[25-Oct-2010 14:18:44] <willwh> rmatte: guessing at some stage someone hit "reset bindings" at the device classes level
[25-Oct-2010 14:18:46] <ianAtWork> Orv, yes I am.  THe installation doesn't show any errors, the problems appear after I try to bind a template to a device
[25-Oct-2010 14:18:50] <willwh> I don't see any available templates at any point
[25-Oct-2010 14:18:57] <nickanderson> So since that dosnt seem to be working is there any easy way to "add" two graphs?
[25-Oct-2010 14:19:27] <davetoo> cgibbons: ping
[25-Oct-2010 14:20:09] <Orv> ianAtWork: And you restarted Zenoss after installing the Zenpacks?
[25-Oct-2010 14:20:17] <ianAtWork> Is ZenOSS sensitive to DNS?  Eg, does the machine it is installed on actually need a working fwd/rev DNS entry?
[25-Oct-2010 14:20:42] <ianAtWork> Orv, No I didn't restart ZenOSS.  I wasn't aware that this was a required step.  Let me try that and I'll get back to you.  Hang on.
[25-Oct-2010 14:21:02] <jmp242> ianAtWork: Zenoss itself will resolve certain DNS entries, though you can use straight IP addresses
[25-Oct-2010 14:21:17] <cgibbons> que?
[25-Oct-2010 14:21:21] <jmp242> but if you've used localhost for the Zenoss server itself, and not a FQDN that doesn't resolve
[25-Oct-2010 14:21:47] <jmp242> it should be fine in my experience - though then you have to specify, say SNMP permissions via IP and not FQDN
[25-Oct-2010 14:22:33] <willwh> rmatte: yeah - if I go and look at the Detail for any Template, the only thing in zDeviceTemplates is "Device"
[25-Oct-2010 14:22:36] <willwh> doh 
[25-Oct-2010 14:22:43] <willwh> presumably that is the default
[25-Oct-2010 14:22:46] <willwh> bah.
[25-Oct-2010 14:27:49] <rmatte> yeh, someone probably cleared all your bindings
[25-Oct-2010 14:27:55] <rmatte> you'll have to go through and fix them all by hand
[25-Oct-2010 14:28:11] <rmatte> keep the monkeys out of your zenoss interface lol
[25-Oct-2010 14:29:15] <Parabola|W> hey guys
[25-Oct-2010 14:29:16] <willwh> sigh 
[25-Oct-2010 14:30:14] <ianAtWork> Interesting, Orv, looks like installing and restarting took care of those errors from the web ui.  Thanks, I'll poke around more.
[25-Oct-2010 14:31:53] <sciolist> nickanderson:  if your template is able to create a new CDEF as a summation of the indexed vaules (which is a guess on how you've implemented the template) you can RPN a new value from them
[25-Oct-2010 14:32:52] <Parabola|W> ugh
[25-Oct-2010 14:34:15] <Parabola|W> rmatte, you ever seen this with the cisco zenpack? http://pastebin.com/shWrZtBq
[25-Oct-2010 14:34:37] <rmatte> which Cisco ZenPack?
[25-Oct-2010 14:35:02] <Parabola|W> CiscoASA
[25-Oct-2010 14:35:08] <Parabola|W> i believe you had mentioned to get htis one
[25-Oct-2010 14:36:11] <Parabola|W> well i found somthing on it
[25-Oct-2010 14:36:16] <Parabola|W> in the comments of the zenpack
[25-Oct-2010 14:36:52] <Parabola|W> okay theres a patch for it
[25-Oct-2010 14:36:55] <Parabola|W> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/7177
[25-Oct-2010 14:37:42] <rmatte> yeh, that patch is going to make it's way in to 3.0.3
[25-Oct-2010 14:38:16] <Parabola|W> it doesnt metnion anything special for this
[25-Oct-2010 14:38:25] <Parabola|W> just patch < *.diff right?
[25-Oct-2010 14:38:25] <ericenns> anybody know of a thorough guide for setting up wmi monitoring
[25-Oct-2010 14:38:35] <Parabola|W> ericenns,  not really, i just figured it out as i went
[25-Oct-2010 14:38:35] <davetoo> zenpatch?
[25-Oct-2010 14:38:36] <rmatte> no
[25-Oct-2010 14:38:38] <rmatte> zenpatch
[25-Oct-2010 14:38:46] <Parabola|W> oh okay 
[25-Oct-2010 14:38:52] <ericenns> ok
[25-Oct-2010 14:38:55] <rmatte> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/changeset/22780
[25-Oct-2010 14:38:59] <rmatte> the patch number is 22780
[25-Oct-2010 14:39:04] <rmatte> so you do: zenpatch 22780
[25-Oct-2010 14:39:07] <rmatte> as the zenoss user
[25-Oct-2010 14:39:18] <Parabola|W> and it will download the patch?
[25-Oct-2010 14:39:20] <Parabola|W> thats cool as hell
[25-Oct-2010 14:39:22] <rmatte> yes
[25-Oct-2010 14:39:25] <rmatte> lol
[25-Oct-2010 14:39:31] <rmatte> downloads and patches automagically
[25-Oct-2010 14:40:12] <Parabola|W> Cool 
[25-Oct-2010 14:40:18] <Parabola|W> how did you find the change number?
[25-Oct-2010 14:40:28] <Parabola|W> i was just looking at the trouble ticket
[25-Oct-2010 14:40:29] <rmatte> look at the bottom of the trac ticket
[25-Oct-2010 14:40:54] <rmatte>     * patch_state changed from Accepted to Patched
[25-Oct-2010 14:40:54] <rmatte> (In [22780]) * Patches #7177: merge from trunk. Reviewed by J Gartman
[25-Oct-2010 14:41:01] <Parabola|W> hmm
[25-Oct-2010 14:41:04] <Parabola|W> i foudn this also http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/7177
[25-Oct-2010 14:41:09] <Parabola|W> so its availible in two places?
[25-Oct-2010 14:41:11] <rmatte> yeh, scroll down
[25-Oct-2010 14:41:17] <rmatte> it's in the comments
[25-Oct-2010 14:41:27] <rmatte> they always post the patch number in the comments of the trac ticket
[25-Oct-2010 14:41:32] <Parabola|W> gotcha
[25-Oct-2010 14:41:33] <Parabola|W> cool
[25-Oct-2010 14:41:33] <rmatte> sometimes they post more than 1, always take the last one
[25-Oct-2010 14:41:46] <rmatte> sometimes they just make minor adjustments and re-post
[25-Oct-2010 14:42:17] <rmatte> don't patch unless it's marked as verified too, which means the patch has actually been tested
[25-Oct-2010 14:42:25] <Parabola|W> i understand
[25-Oct-2010 14:42:28] <Parabola|W> well that worked man
[25-Oct-2010 14:42:35] <Parabola|W> even graphs for throughput
[25-Oct-2010 14:42:37] <rmatte> also, if you want to reverse a patch, just run the same zenpatch command again
[25-Oct-2010 14:42:42] <Parabola|W> oh cool
[25-Oct-2010 14:42:44] <rmatte> but when it asks "assume -R"?
[25-Oct-2010 14:42:45] <Parabola|W> no patch -R
[25-Oct-2010 14:42:46] <rmatte> say yes
[25-Oct-2010 14:42:53] <rmatte> and it'll reverse it
[25-Oct-2010 14:43:11] <rmatte> pretty sure you can just do zenpatch -R 22780 as well
[25-Oct-2010 14:45:33] <rmatte> man, some of our client's setups are so mickey mouse
[25-Oct-2010 14:45:51] <rmatte> I'm logging in to a windows server and there's some domain installation policy that's installing all of this desktop software as I login
[25-Oct-2010 14:46:04] * rmatte shakes his head
[25-Oct-2010 14:46:16] <rmatte> oh well, whatever, who doesn't want microsoft office on their Server 2008 box?
[25-Oct-2010 14:46:25] <Parabola|W> lol
[25-Oct-2010 14:46:38] <Parabola|W> Always great when people dont put a condition in to verify OS version
[25-Oct-2010 14:46:43] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Oct-2010 14:46:46] <Parabola|W> or at least apply your GPOs to the proper OUs
[25-Oct-2010 14:46:46] <rmatte> pretty lame
[25-Oct-2010 14:46:59] <Parabola|W>  I'm just happy this is working
[25-Oct-2010 14:47:06] <rmatte> they probably have lots of nesting
[25-Oct-2010 14:50:27] <ianAtWork> What does one check when seeing if a Monitoring Template/Data Source is being polled?  I've added the LDAPServer Template, configured it, and when I run 'zencommand run -v10 -d hostname' I don't see the LDAPServer plugin being used.
[25-Oct-2010 14:50:40] <ianAtWork> Is this another case of the program needing to be restarted?
[25-Oct-2010 14:51:19] <rmatte> ianAtWork: check the graphs?
[25-Oct-2010 14:52:02] <rmatte> usually it's actually templates that do the polling though, not plugins
[25-Oct-2010 14:53:14] <ianAtWork> Yes, I see a LDAP Response Time graph under the device.  But is there any way to tell (from the zenoss side, vs the LDAP server side) whether the LDAP bind and query was actually successful?
[25-Oct-2010 14:53:54] <rmatte> I honestly have no idea, I've never used that pack
[25-Oct-2010 14:54:11] <rmatte> are you not able to run a test on the datasource from the monitoring template?
[25-Oct-2010 14:54:42] <ianAtWork> .. I dunno, how do I do that?  I'm coming from the world of Nagios, sorry.
[25-Oct-2010 14:55:46] <rmatte> you really should read through the Zenoss Admin guide so that you understand how stuff is laid out
[25-Oct-2010 14:55:54] <rmatte> it's exhausting explaining basics that are documented
[25-Oct-2010 14:56:24] <ianAtWork> Will do.  Thanks for the help.
[25-Oct-2010 14:56:27] <rmatte> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/Zenoss_Administration_06-072010-3.0-v02.pdf
[25-Oct-2010 14:56:54] <rmatte> It's over 100 pages but it explains a ton of stuff
[25-Oct-2010 14:57:16] <rmatte> I read it from top to bottom when I first started using Zenoss and it was a huge help
[25-Oct-2010 14:57:23] <rmatte> it makes you go "Ohhhhhh, that's how that works!"
[25-Oct-2010 14:57:59] <Parabola|W> WOO
[25-Oct-2010 14:58:03] <Parabola|W> looks like i'm gonna get the job!
[25-Oct-2010 14:58:34] <ericenns> cool, your email didn't scare them off lol
[25-Oct-2010 14:58:37] <cgibbons> woot
[25-Oct-2010 14:58:45] <Parabola|W> haha, nah it went well
[25-Oct-2010 14:59:03] <Parabola|W> i was told my previous bosses gave me "very good" recommendations
[25-Oct-2010 14:59:22] <Parabola|W> and i met the CIO today, it went well, more of a personality thing. And i just got asked via email about a start date.
[25-Oct-2010 14:59:45] <ericenns> cool
[25-Oct-2010 15:00:01] <Parabola|W> hmm, i'm getting SNMP agent down on this ASA, yet it modeled correctly, i still dont have graph data, but its only been about 10min
[25-Oct-2010 15:00:24] <Simon4> Parabola|W: ASA's are picky about the number of OID's in a request
[25-Oct-2010 15:00:31] <Simon4> there's a configuration property where you can drop it in zenoss
[25-Oct-2010 15:01:21] <ericenns> Simon4: make that most cisco's
[25-Oct-2010 15:01:45] <Simon4> ericenns: I seem to be able to hammer catalyst switches as hard as I want with no issues
[25-Oct-2010 15:02:06] <ericenns> Simon4: hmm well my Catalyst 6500 IOS is a wuss
[25-Oct-2010 15:04:30] <Parabola|W> oh okay
[25-Oct-2010 15:04:36] <Parabola|W> how do i change that, or what should i google for
[25-Oct-2010 15:04:54] <rmatte> Parabola|W: zMaxOIDPerRequest
[25-Oct-2010 15:04:57] <rmatte> drop it to 10
[25-Oct-2010 15:05:14] <Parabola|W> done, thanks 
[25-Oct-2010 15:05:24] <Parabola|W> what effect will this have on the monitoring
[25-Oct-2010 15:05:29] <rmatte> none
[25-Oct-2010 15:05:43] <rmatte> it just packages less OIDs in to a single request
[25-Oct-2010 15:05:47] <rmatte> won't impact anything
[25-Oct-2010 15:06:12] <rmatte> It'll drop the efficiency a bit but not enough to really notice
[25-Oct-2010 15:06:17] <rmatte> just don't change the setting globally hehe
[25-Oct-2010 15:06:32] <nickanderson> When defining graph definitions is there a way to auto scale besides logrythmic?
[25-Oct-2010 15:06:32] <rmatte> I just changed the setting on my actual ASA class
[25-Oct-2010 15:07:47] <Parabola|W>  that fixed it
[25-Oct-2010 15:19:14] <davetoo> heh...
[25-Oct-2010 15:19:34] <davetoo> I'm importing Zope into Enterprise Architect...
[25-Oct-2010 15:19:43] <davetoo> it's rather huge just by itself
[25-Oct-2010 15:20:18] <davetoo> in fact it just crashed the app 
[25-Oct-2010 15:21:46] <Parabola|W> my new project,
[25-Oct-2010 15:22:00] <Parabola|W> write a script that migrates ISPconfig3 from one box to another
[25-Oct-2010 15:22:48] <davetoo> heh
[25-Oct-2010 15:22:53] <Parabola|W> yeah
[25-Oct-2010 15:23:02] <Parabola|W> so far looks like it will be straight forward
[25-Oct-2010 15:23:05] <davetoo> apparently there's a Twisted package called "insults" (sorry, unrelated)
[25-Oct-2010 15:23:10] <davetoo> What is ISPconfig3?
[25-Oct-2010 15:23:38] <Parabola|W> ispconfig is a free product that used for easy setup/management of websites,email,dns..ect
[25-Oct-2010 15:23:46] <Parabola|W> Time warner uses it
[25-Oct-2010 15:23:58] <Parabola|W> http://www.ispconfig.org/
[25-Oct-2010 15:24:18] <Parabola|W> theres an issue on the prod server that i have been unable to resolve, and the devs dont seem to know why its broke either
[25-Oct-2010 15:24:28] <Parabola|W> so i'm going to attempt to move the data to another box i setup
[25-Oct-2010 17:01:46] <Parabola|W> anyone here good with expect?
[25-Oct-2010 17:02:01] <Parabola|W> i'm looking for a smart way to ssh into a box, and extract multiple files, each to seperate directories
[25-Oct-2010 17:02:20] <Parabola|W> or even good with tar.
[25-Oct-2010 19:07:34] <ilan> hello, does zenoss' check_http support digest ?
[25-Oct-2010 19:19:45] <rhettardo_> it has "basic auth" under the config options
[25-Oct-2010 19:20:22] <rhettardo_> just make sure to create a local copy of the template or else the changes you make will be global for the class(s) the template is bound to
[25-Oct-2010 19:23:49] <ilan> ya, basic auth isn't what im looking for.  i need digest authentication
[25-Oct-2010 19:47:20] <ashp> has anyone here used something like cucumber-nagios with zenoss to do more sophisicated behavioural testing?
[25-Oct-2010 19:53:54] <ballison> hello
[25-Oct-2010 19:54:06] <ballison> can anyone help me with setting up a monitor to monitor ntp ?
[25-Oct-2010 19:54:14] <ballison> i went to Infrastructure > Ip Services
[25-Oct-2010 19:54:19] <ballison> selected ntp and selected monitor
[25-Oct-2010 19:54:29] <ballison> and then went to the remote host and shut down ntpd
[25-Oct-2010 19:54:34] <ballison> and got no alerts
[25-Oct-2010 19:54:54] <ballison> also when i go to Infrastructure > IP Services, I don't see the device listed
[25-Oct-2010 20:01:03] <ballison> Simon - you there?
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[27-Oct-2010 08:44:34] <tiredofme> has anyone attempted to monitored an AIX host over SNMP with core?
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[27-Oct-2010 08:49:38] <tiredofme> it seems like the OIDs in Zenoss don't match up to those on the AIX device
[27-Oct-2010 08:50:09] <Simon4> tiredofme: I think someone wrote an AIX zenpack once to get around that, but that may have been snarfed into enterprise
[27-Oct-2010 08:50:23] <Simon4> since hte someone (rocket) got hired by Zenoss after writing it
[27-Oct-2010 08:50:36] <Simon4> would be worth checking the zenpacks list though
[27-Oct-2010 08:50:56] <tiredofme> Simon4: I saw it earlier, doesn't look like its compatible with 3.0 though
[27-Oct-2010 09:10:18] <rmatte> Apparently monitoring AIX via SNMP is very sketchy
[27-Oct-2010 09:10:22] <LorenzoCentrelli> anyone using Zenoss to monitor Windows servers ?
[27-Oct-2010 09:10:37] <rmatte> rocket actually wrote a new SSH based ZenPack for Enterprise to monitor AIX
[27-Oct-2010 09:10:44] <rmatte> LorenzoCentrelli: yes
[27-Oct-2010 09:10:48] <tiredofme> ah, I'm on core
[27-Oct-2010 09:10:58] <rmatte> yeh I know, just saying hehe
[27-Oct-2010 09:11:00] <LorenzoCentrelli> hey rmatte, im not a windows guys, so how is the WMI setup ?
[27-Oct-2010 09:11:05] <tiredofme> and SNMP is all the unix admin will allow
[27-Oct-2010 09:11:50] <rmatte> LorenzoCentrelli: there are tons of guides online about setting up WMI
[27-Oct-2010 09:12:04] <LorenzoCentrelli> ok, maybe I'll send them to our windows group ;-)
[27-Oct-2010 09:12:11] <tiredofme> it's strange that I can pull information about its filesystems and NIC, just not CPU and mem
[27-Oct-2010 09:12:20] <LorenzoCentrelli> using it to monitor your exchange ? Any good graphs come from that ?
[27-Oct-2010 09:12:31] <rmatte> tiredofme: the filesystem and NIC info is pretty standard stuff
[27-Oct-2010 09:12:35] <rmatte> CPU/memory varies
[27-Oct-2010 09:12:59] <rmatte> LorenzoCentrelli: We just started doing Exchange monitoring with it, there are lots of good graphs but so far we only have 2 or 3 graphs actually working
[27-Oct-2010 09:13:06] <Sam-I-Am> mornings.
[27-Oct-2010 09:13:13] <rmatte> I think we need to do a wmiadap /f on the exchange servers and then reboot them
[27-Oct-2010 09:13:20] <rmatte> we just haven't had an opportunity to try yet
[27-Oct-2010 09:13:33] <rmatte> I honestly do the majority of our windows monitoring with SNMP
[27-Oct-2010 09:13:38] <rmatte> we just started getting in to using WMI
[27-Oct-2010 09:13:51] <LorenzoCentrelli> gotcha ...
[27-Oct-2010 09:15:12] <tiredofme> rmatte: If I can obtain the IBM AIX specific MIBs and add that to Zenoss, would that remedy the SNMP issues?
[27-Oct-2010 09:15:22] <rmatte> no
[27-Oct-2010 09:15:30] <rmatte> Mibs are only used for trap translation in Zenoss
[27-Oct-2010 09:15:41] <tiredofme> ohh ok, so not for active polling then?
[27-Oct-2010 09:15:47] <rmatte> you would need to adjust the performance template to use the appropriate OIDs (whatever they may be)
[27-Oct-2010 09:16:03] <rmatte> correct, Mibs are not used for polling, actual OIDs are used for polling
[27-Oct-2010 09:22:36] <LorenzoCentrelli> anyone had this Error in Zenoss about the actual Zenoss server:  "localhost zenrender heartbeat failure"
[27-Oct-2010 09:25:29] <tiredofme> LorenzoCentrelli: try restarting the zenoss service
[27-Oct-2010 09:35:43] <RoAkSoAx> npmccallum, ping
[27-Oct-2010 09:36:30] <LorenzoCentrelli> tiredofme , it comes back after awhile, even after resetart, just wish I knew what it meant
[27-Oct-2010 09:37:35] <Simon4> LorenzoCentrelli: it means that zenrender is not running, this may not be a bad thing
[27-Oct-2010 09:37:40] <Simon4> go to advanced->collectors
[27-Oct-2010 09:37:51] <Simon4> then from the gear menu (I think!) select "clear all heartbeats"
[27-Oct-2010 09:37:55] <Simon4> then see if it comes back
[27-Oct-2010 09:41:46] <LorenzoCentrelli> must be different on 3.0 Simon4
[27-Oct-2010 09:42:10] <Sam-I-Am> morning cgibbons
[27-Oct-2010 09:42:15] <cgibbons> howdee
[27-Oct-2010 09:44:12] <Simon4> cgibbons: where is "clear all heartbeats" in 3.0?
[27-Oct-2010 09:44:20] <LorenzoCentrelli> looking ...
[27-Oct-2010 09:46:33] <rmatte> probably in the same spot as in 2.5
[27-Oct-2010 09:46:41] <rmatte> just in the bottom left menu on the same page
[27-Oct-2010 09:47:16] * Simon4 finds a 3.0 install
[27-Oct-2010 09:53:15] <rmatte> Yeh, it is in the same spot: Events -> Event Manager -> bottom left hand menu -> Clear All Heartbeats
[27-Oct-2010 09:53:21] <Simon4> ah
[27-Oct-2010 09:53:22] <Simon4> event manager
[27-Oct-2010 09:53:24] <rmatte> a lot of stuff is basically in the same place in 3.0
[27-Oct-2010 09:53:24] <Simon4> not collectors
[27-Oct-2010 09:53:27] <rmatte> you just have to look
[27-Oct-2010 09:53:28] <Simon4> brain not working today 
[27-Oct-2010 09:53:33] <rmatte> lol
[27-Oct-2010 09:57:59] <LorenzoCentrelli> ahh, clear heartbeats is now under each device , under the "gear" menu
[27-Oct-2010 09:58:02] <cgibbons> glad i could help
[27-Oct-2010 09:59:05] <Simon4> cgibbons: beers for you 
[27-Oct-2010 10:07:59] <rmatte> LorenzoCentrelli: [09:47am] <rmatte> Yeh, it is in the same spot: Events -> Event Manager -> bottom left hand menu -> Clear All Heartbeats
[27-Oct-2010 10:08:19] <rmatte> not sure why you would clear heartbeats at the device level
[27-Oct-2010 10:10:03] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, its interesting that the zenoss manual says collectors must be the same arch as the hub
[27-Oct-2010 10:11:58] <Sam-I-Am> so... you guys were saying you've mixed 32/64-bit archs without an issue
[27-Oct-2010 10:38:12] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: yes, they communicate via TCP/IP
[27-Oct-2010 10:38:16] <rmatte> the arch doesn't matter
[27-Oct-2010 10:38:49] <Sam-I-Am> hmm odd, wonder why they say that
[27-Oct-2010 10:39:07] <rmatte> say what?
[27-Oct-2010 10:39:57] <Sam-I-Am> docs/DOC-5459#d0e7281
[27-Oct-2010 10:40:02] <Sam-I-Am> "restrictions and requirements"
[27-Oct-2010 10:41:38] <rmatte> no idea, but I don't see how the architechture affects it in any way
[27-Oct-2010 10:41:57] <rmatte> It's not like they are communicating to each other in different languages becaused the arch is different
[27-Oct-2010 10:42:10] <rmatte> because*
[27-Oct-2010 10:42:11] <tiredofme> could anyone point me to some sample code that might shed some light on setting up event correlations? I suppose that I'm referring to event transforms, specifically the ability to group (digest) similar events (across several  hosts)  into one email alert
[27-Oct-2010 10:42:36] <tiredofme> as I am python challenged, this seems particularly daunting
[27-Oct-2010 10:43:33] <rmatte> tiredofme: there are no existing examples, I'd really have to mess around to find code that works.  The concept in my head would be to have the events come in at a lower severity and then have a transform that ups the severity of one of them and changes the message in it if the other events are present
[27-Oct-2010 10:43:43] <rmatte> but it would take quite a bit of testing/coding, and I'm swamped with work right now
[27-Oct-2010 10:45:34] <tiredofme> rmatte: oh I understand completely, I wouldn't expect you to produce any code. Some of the higher ups at work are tired of coming into 40 alert emails from the previous evening, with most of them being standard failures across several identical hosts
[27-Oct-2010 10:46:11] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[27-Oct-2010 10:46:14] <Sam-I-Am> welcome to my world
[27-Oct-2010 10:46:35] <LorenzoCentrelli> agreed ... we like zenoss alot, but still use Nagios for our actual Alerting
[27-Oct-2010 10:46:37] <rmatte> another way would be to setup some sort of layer between zenoss and the mailserver that intelligently correlates the events before sending them off, but that would probably take even more work
[27-Oct-2010 10:46:48] <tiredofme> rmatte: the only other thing that I could think of would be using a mailing list with digesting enabled but I feel like that would defeat the purpose of the alerts as the delay would be extreme
[27-Oct-2010 10:46:55] <Sam-I-Am> the issue here is inability to put bgp neighbors OR individual network interfaces on a device into maint
[27-Oct-2010 10:47:30] <rmatte> yeh, it's all or nothing
[27-Oct-2010 10:47:31] <Sam-I-Am> when one of my sites loses total connectivity, all the other routers in the ibgp mesh toss out traps
[27-Oct-2010 10:47:58] <Sam-I-Am> so i get a bunch of angry, tired people wondering why they got 24+ alerts for one router outage
[27-Oct-2010 10:48:08] <tiredofme> LorenzeoCentrelli: unfortunately nagios isn't an option for us at the moment (admins refuse to have agents installed on their servers)
[27-Oct-2010 10:49:39] <tiredofme> Sam-I-Am: I can sympathize. Too bad you can't just tell them to toughen up haha
[27-Oct-2010 10:50:05] <rmatte> meh, agent based monitoring kind of sucks anyways
[27-Oct-2010 10:50:10] <Sam-I-Am> well, they seem to expect zenoss to be perfect out of the box
[27-Oct-2010 10:50:25] <rmatte> Nothing is perfect out of the box
[27-Oct-2010 10:50:35] <tiredofme> Sam-I-Am: Do we work at the same place?
[27-Oct-2010 10:50:45] <Sam-I-Am> tiredofme: i think this is every place i've worked
[27-Oct-2010 10:50:55] <LorenzoCentrelli> tiredofme, agreed, NRPE makes it easier, but you could always do SNMP with Nagios ... im not pushing it, its just what we use here for our alarming ( not quite as noisy as zenoss )
[27-Oct-2010 10:50:56] <rmatte> No one has that expectation here, but they know that I can do just about anything with it
[27-Oct-2010 10:51:01] <rmatte> so I'm constantly adding new features
[27-Oct-2010 10:51:22] <Sam-I-Am> i suspect hiring a full-time coder who spends a lot of time customizing zenoss would improve things considerably.  zenoss is infinitely (almost) extensible give the time and experience.
[27-Oct-2010 10:51:39] <rmatte> yup
[27-Oct-2010 10:51:54] <rmatte> Zenoss is like 90% of what I do
[27-Oct-2010 10:52:02] <tiredofme> agreed, that would help me out immensely
[27-Oct-2010 10:52:07] <Sam-I-Am> however, i'm a network engineer who got the job of deploying a new run of zenoss... and its not a full time job by any means.
[27-Oct-2010 10:52:08] <LorenzoCentrelli> Zenoss has become a replacement for Cacti, as Zenoss has much better graphing and it works out of the box, also can graph our synthetic transactions ... its our 2ndary alerting tool
[27-Oct-2010 10:52:33] <rmatte> the synthetic transactions ZenPack is nice
[27-Oct-2010 10:52:58] <Sam-I-Am> LorenzoCentrelli: cacti was used here as a "public" graphing tool since the previous admin couldnt figure out ACLs.  now i have a guest-only account which can view graphs and nothing else.
[27-Oct-2010 10:52:59] <tiredofme> we're using the nagios plugin webinject for that sort of thing
[27-Oct-2010 10:53:01] <LorenzoCentrelli> its hard to just use one monitoring tool, even at big companies, we used multiple .... Like I still use SmokePing along side of Zenoss / Nagios
[27-Oct-2010 10:56:08] <cgibbons> rmatte/sam: that's because the enterprise distributed collector copies source/binaries from the master to the remote collectors, so they need to be the same arch
[27-Oct-2010 10:57:16] <tiredofme> I've really only done sysadmin work for SMBs with mostly homogeneous environments. Recently got a new job at a large corp and I've been tasked with creating this panacea monitoring/dashboard system using zenoss as the core
[27-Oct-2010 10:57:53] <LorenzoCentrelli> the arch needs to match, but the distro does not I dont believe, im running RHEL 5 for my Master, and Centos 5 for my remote collector ( basically same OS though )
[27-Oct-2010 10:58:23] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: oh, didnt know that.  any way around that?
[27-Oct-2010 10:58:42] <cgibbons> i'm sure, but that's the supported config
[27-Oct-2010 10:58:50] <fragfutter> LorenzoCentrelli: centos tries to stay binary compatible to rhel. no surprise there
[27-Oct-2010 10:59:28] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, theres one case where i'm going to need a collector thats 32-bit vs. the 64-bit core... some old legacy hardware that will hopefully go away
[27-Oct-2010 11:00:30] <Parabola> Good morning
[27-Oct-2010 11:02:57] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[27-Oct-2010 11:03:09] <Parabola> Sam-I-Am i'm having some issues that i think are going to drive me insane
[27-Oct-2010 11:03:25] <Sam-I-Am> those keep you employed 
[27-Oct-2010 11:03:29] <Parabola> linux,snmp , processes showing up as not running randomly
[27-Oct-2010 11:03:44] <Parabola> im pretty sure its when an snmp poll fails
[27-Oct-2010 11:03:51] <Sam-I-Am> why is the poll failing?
[27-Oct-2010 11:03:53] <Parabola> would zenoss then mark the process as not running?
[27-Oct-2010 11:04:11] <Sam-I-Am> i suspect that depends on thresholds for the process
[27-Oct-2010 11:04:18] <Sam-I-Am> but if it can't read the proc table
[27-Oct-2010 11:04:21] <Parabola> okay, let me see
[27-Oct-2010 11:05:30] <Parabola> Process not running: rasterisk vr
[27-Oct-2010 11:05:36] <Parabola> got an email about that, phones were sitll working
[27-Oct-2010 11:05:53] <Parabola> that was at 10:23am , at 10:41am i got a CLEAR on it
[27-Oct-2010 11:08:21] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm
[27-Oct-2010 11:08:40] <Sam-I-Am> so is snmp breaking?
[27-Oct-2010 11:09:11] <tiredofme> LoreznoCentrelli: with your Nagios setup, do you have email alerts grouped into a single messages for groups of hosts or events?
[27-Oct-2010 11:10:16] <Parabola> Sam-I-Am i'm not sure how to check for that to be honest
[27-Oct-2010 11:10:20] <Parabola> im looking at events now
[27-Oct-2010 11:10:38] <Sam-I-Am> zenoss has logs for whats going on internally
[27-Oct-2010 11:11:38] <Parabola> oh i dont think snmp failed on zenoss, nothing else popped up
[27-Oct-2010 11:11:41] <Parabola> it woudl be this one server
[27-Oct-2010 11:11:51] <LorenzoCentrelli> tiredofme, events I believe
[27-Oct-2010 11:12:15] <Sam-I-Am> well, snmp not failing on zenoss... more like it not responding on the server you're checking.  is the load average high?
[27-Oct-2010 11:12:27] <tiredofme> LorenzoCentrelli: Did you accomplish that with builtin Nagios features?
[27-Oct-2010 11:12:54] <Parabola> no
[27-Oct-2010 11:13:28] <Parabola> graph says max load was 4.1  avg is 0.17
[27-Oct-2010 11:13:59] <Parabola> the spike was yesterday at 4pm, when it 4
[27-Oct-2010 11:14:03] <Parabola> only lasted for a minute
[27-Oct-2010 11:14:25] <Parabola> whre would i find log events of snmp not responding sam?
[27-Oct-2010 11:14:36] <Parabola> i'm looking in the history, 23 counts of that process not running, nothing else for that box
[27-Oct-2010 11:15:13] <Parabola> hmm, maxOIDperRequest is set to 10 for this class
[27-Oct-2010 11:15:19] <Parabola> should i put that at default of 40?
[27-Oct-2010 11:16:36] <Sam-I-Am> perhaps zenperfsnmp.log ?
[27-Oct-2010 11:16:45] <Sam-I-Am> not sure if thats just perf stuff or any checks via snmp
[27-Oct-2010 11:16:56] <Simon4> process checking is done via zenprocess
[27-Oct-2010 11:17:07] <LorenzoCentrelli> tiredofme, yes, all built in features ... we do have multiple groups setup though, so we can group certain hosts or apps into a group , also,  you can setup contact groups
[27-Oct-2010 11:17:21] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: so, the zenprocess log?
[27-Oct-2010 11:17:27] <Simon4> indeed
[27-Oct-2010 11:17:36] <Simon4> look for "could not read process table on device xxxxx" type errors
[27-Oct-2010 11:17:41] <Sam-I-Am> there you go
[27-Oct-2010 11:17:59] <Sam-I-Am> Parabola: i havent had to mess with those settings yet.   however, i'm also not monitoring any systems (yet)
[27-Oct-2010 11:18:27] <Parabola> okay  checking now, thanks!
[27-Oct-2010 11:19:27] <Parabola> hmm
[27-Oct-2010 11:19:30] <Parabola> Simon4 i'm not seeing errors
[27-Oct-2010 11:19:40] <Parabola> but i see the datapoints value goes up on every line
[27-Oct-2010 11:19:45] <Parabola> is that normal? its at 1200 somthing right now
[27-Oct-2010 11:20:06] <Simon4> Parabola: I think there's a zenpatch for ath
[27-Oct-2010 11:20:06] <Simon4> that
[27-Oct-2010 11:20:43] <Parabola> 2010-10-27 10:34:04,266 INFO zen.collector.scheduler: Tasks: 3 Successful_Runs: 27 Failed_Runs: 8 Missed_Runs: 0
[27-Oct-2010 11:20:43] <Parabola> 2010-10-27 10:34:23,964 WARNING zen.zenprocess: Process not running: rasterisk vr
[27-Oct-2010 11:21:10] <Simon4> Parabola: so you could stop zenprocess, then run it again as zenprocess start -v 3
[27-Oct-2010 11:21:15] <Simon4> and you'll get much more logging
[27-Oct-2010 11:21:29] <Simon4> (do that as the zenoss user)
[27-Oct-2010 11:21:29] <Parabola> alright
[27-Oct-2010 11:21:40] <Parabola> ty for the help man
[27-Oct-2010 11:21:43] <Parabola> i really do appreciate it
[27-Oct-2010 11:22:41] <Parabola> so the datapoints value going up and up is a bad thing
[27-Oct-2010 11:22:43] <Parabola> correct?
[27-Oct-2010 11:23:51] <Parabola> alright, started with -v 3
[27-Oct-2010 11:24:33] <Simon4> Parabola: I think it's just a display bug, not a "bad thing"
[27-Oct-2010 11:26:14] <Parabola> alright
[27-Oct-2010 11:26:24] <Parabola> i'm just looking to track down and isolate the random issues i seem to have
[27-Oct-2010 11:26:50] <Parabola> snmp polling timing out randomly, or even better a scan time of zero seconds, only fix is to rename the device and remodel
[27-Oct-2010 11:28:18] <Simon4> tried increasing the snmp timeouts and retries?
[27-Oct-2010 11:28:40] <Parabola> yeah
[27-Oct-2010 11:28:47] <Parabola> did it up to 60 seconds with 5 retries on one lol
[27-Oct-2010 11:29:02] <Parabola> i'm pretty sure that particular server just has issues, if i reboot the server snmp works for a few housr then breaks again
[27-Oct-2010 11:29:08] <Parabola> restarting snmp doesnt fix it
[27-Oct-2010 11:29:15] <Parabola> so im looking at the log, lots of detail now
[27-Oct-2010 11:30:06] <Parabola> alright so i see the asterisk server,
[27-Oct-2010 11:30:52] <Parabola> DEBUG zen.zenprocess: Device Trixbox [174.46.66.14] scanned successfully
[27-Oct-2010 11:31:04] <Parabola> i guess leave -v 3 on until it breaks again?
[27-Oct-2010 11:31:16] <Simon4> Parabola: seems reasonable to me 
[27-Oct-2010 11:31:34] <Parabola> Alright
[27-Oct-2010 11:31:39] <Parabola> as far as maxOIDsperRequest
[27-Oct-2010 11:31:47] <Parabola> should that stay at 40 for anything not cisco?
[27-Oct-2010 11:31:59] <Parabola> will lower cause problems
[27-Oct-2010 11:32:01] <Simon4> I leave it at that, but it shouldn't make too much difference in this regard
[27-Oct-2010 11:32:22] <rmatte> Parabola: lowering it won't cause problems, but you probably don't have to
[27-Oct-2010 11:32:24] <Simon4> nahh, it just means more smaller requests, which will slow collection by a smidge, but nothing too noticable
[27-Oct-2010 11:32:29] <rmatte> Cisco ASAs are the only thing I've had to lower that for
[27-Oct-2010 11:32:38] <Parabola> alright 
[27-Oct-2010 11:32:39] <Simon4> and certainly won't cause timeouts I wouldn't think
[27-Oct-2010 11:32:43] <rmatte> you could try lowering it if you want
[27-Oct-2010 11:32:46] <Parabola> i've got snmp timeout at 5 seconds with 2 retries
[27-Oct-2010 11:32:56] <Sam-I-Am> if i have a particular model of device, say a juniper router, which needs to get treated differently depending on which network its on, do i need to make another template for it?
[27-Oct-2010 11:33:15] <Sam-I-Am> in other words... the juniper for company X needs to monitor T1 stats, but the same model for company Y does not
[27-Oct-2010 11:33:31] <Parabola> as far as config goes?
[27-Oct-2010 11:33:38] <Parabola> like zproperties?
[27-Oct-2010 11:33:59] <Parabola> if so, no you can modify the class or the device its self, if you do the device make sure you push changes back to the collector
[27-Oct-2010 11:34:27] <Sam-I-Am> its more like interface graphing templates
[27-Oct-2010 11:34:45] <Parabola> o
[27-Oct-2010 11:35:02] <Parabola> i dont know for sure, but if you want to modify a template i would say yes
[27-Oct-2010 11:35:09] <Parabola> the templates are linked, so changing it would change for any linked class
[27-Oct-2010 11:35:09] <Sam-I-Am> like ethernetCsmacd_64 for model X router needs to monitor a slightly different set of data points than model X on company Y
[27-Oct-2010 11:35:12] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: I would have a device class for company X, and one for company Y, then override the template for each and customise it
[27-Oct-2010 11:35:21] <Parabola> Simon4 you can do that?
[27-Oct-2010 11:35:24] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: sounds like thats how it'll work
[27-Oct-2010 11:35:27] <Simon4> Parabola: you so can
[27-Oct-2010 11:35:32] <Parabola> the override wont modify the same template?
[27-Oct-2010 11:35:42] <Parabola> or the original
[27-Oct-2010 11:35:43] <Simon4> nope, "overriding" makes a local copy
[27-Oct-2010 11:35:45] <Parabola> oh wow
[27-Oct-2010 11:35:46] <Sam-I-Am> i was hoping to keep companies out of my device trees, but...
[27-Oct-2010 11:35:49] <Parabola> i didnt know that, ignore me Sam-I-Am 
[27-Oct-2010 11:35:57] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[27-Oct-2010 11:36:18] <rmatte> the term "Override" was poorly chosen
[27-Oct-2010 11:36:33] <Simon4> template management was pooly implemented :/
[27-Oct-2010 11:36:42] <rmatte> yeh, it's horrible
[27-Oct-2010 11:36:43] <rmatte> lol
[27-Oct-2010 11:36:47] * Simon4 finally tried to do something with it in 3 the other day
[27-Oct-2010 11:36:50] <Simon4> gave up and went back to 2.5
[27-Oct-2010 11:36:52] <Sam-I-Am> it IS better in 2.5.2 though
[27-Oct-2010 11:36:58] <rmatte> yeh
[27-Oct-2010 11:36:58] <Sam-I-Am> its making my life a lot better
[27-Oct-2010 11:37:07] <Sam-I-Am> except for this one case i have open with zenoss support
[27-Oct-2010 11:37:40] <Sam-I-Am> actually need to open another one regarding 64-bit master + 32-bit collector
[27-Oct-2010 11:37:51] * Sam-I-Am waits for zenoss support to hate him
[27-Oct-2010 11:37:55] <rmatte> lol
[27-Oct-2010 11:38:08] <rmatte> If that's an actual limitation I'll be amazed
[27-Oct-2010 11:38:44] <Parabola> im thinking about setting up a new 2.5 server
[27-Oct-2010 11:38:50] <Parabola> and getting rid of 3 :-\
[27-Oct-2010 11:38:59] <rmatte> might be a plan for the time being
[27-Oct-2010 11:39:00] <Sam-I-Am> i think theres some weird overload of tickets at zenoss... support has gotten excruciatingly slow
[27-Oct-2010 11:39:12] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: yeh, because of 3.0 lol
[27-Oct-2010 11:39:18] <Sam-I-Am> that bad?
[27-Oct-2010 11:39:27] <rmatte> speaking of which, I wonder when 3.0.3 is coming out
[27-Oct-2010 11:39:32] <Sam-I-Am> sooooon?
[27-Oct-2010 11:40:03] <rmatte> There are no fixes for template handling in it though
[27-Oct-2010 11:40:11] <rmatte> It's mostly backend stuff
[27-Oct-2010 11:41:56] <rmatte> someone needs to go through and try to create/modify a template with 3.0, there are a bunch of blatantly obvious bugs
[27-Oct-2010 11:42:13] <rmatte> like, if you click to edit a graph, it doesn't actually fill in the field for the name of the graph automatically
[27-Oct-2010 11:42:19] <rmatte> so you can't save until you type it in manually
[27-Oct-2010 11:42:25] <rmatte> just stupid stuff like that
[27-Oct-2010 11:42:52] <rmatte> I don't even know how that made it through QA
[27-Oct-2010 11:45:04] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: so your collectors with different archs are using the 'core' zenpack method for distributed collectors?
[27-Oct-2010 11:45:28] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: and every time you edit that graph, it erases the name.
[27-Oct-2010 11:47:47] <rmatte> I don't use distrib collectors in production
[27-Oct-2010 11:47:56] <Sam-I-Am> oh, i thought you did for some reason
[27-Oct-2010 11:47:59] <Sam-I-Am> what do you do?
[27-Oct-2010 11:48:01] <rmatte> and I've never tested with different archs, I'm just saying that I don't see why it wouldn't work
[27-Oct-2010 11:48:04] <rmatte> it's just tcp/ip
[27-Oct-2010 11:48:17] <rmatte> I have 15 separate Zenoss instances
[27-Oct-2010 11:48:29] <rmatte> (not counting labs)
[27-Oct-2010 11:48:46] <Sam-I-Am> totally separate?
[27-Oct-2010 11:48:52] <rmatte> yes
[27-Oct-2010 11:48:53] <Sam-I-Am> wow
[27-Oct-2010 11:48:56] <Sam-I-Am> that must be fun
[27-Oct-2010 11:48:57] <tiredofme> has anyone experienced periodic command timeouts?
[27-Oct-2010 11:49:00] <rmatte> it is indeed
[27-Oct-2010 11:49:19] <rmatte> tiredofme: increase the timeout on the command perhaps?
[27-Oct-2010 11:49:27] <tiredofme> my zcommandtimeout is set quite high, 50 seconds and for the most part the commands are always successful
[27-Oct-2010 11:49:43] <rmatte> right, but there are actual timeout values on the command datasource in the template
[27-Oct-2010 11:49:43] <tiredofme> yet every once in a while i'll get some timeouts
[27-Oct-2010 11:49:48] <rmatte> it defaults to 300 seconds, 5 minutes
[27-Oct-2010 11:49:53] <tiredofme> yep, i
[27-Oct-2010 11:49:55] <rmatte> make sure you don't have it set to something lower
[27-Oct-2010 11:49:58] <tiredofme> i've tweaked those too
[27-Oct-2010 11:50:15] <rmatte> have you tried running the command manually to see if it's just taking too long?
[27-Oct-2010 11:50:19] <rmatte> I mean, there is a limit
[27-Oct-2010 11:50:27] <rmatte> you can't have a command taking 10 minutes to execute
[27-Oct-2010 11:51:00] <tiredofme> the command can usually execute in >30 secs
[27-Oct-2010 11:51:10] <rmatte> usually, being the key word
[27-Oct-2010 11:51:26] <rmatte> the key to your problem is the command itself, I doubt Zenoss has anything to do with it
[27-Oct-2010 11:54:28] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: how does the zenoss hub read graphs from rrd files stored on a collector?
[27-Oct-2010 11:54:43] <Sam-I-Am> er, generate graphs from..
[27-Oct-2010 12:00:44] <rmatte> zenrender handles that
[27-Oct-2010 12:04:55] <Sam-I-Am> thats what i thought..
[27-Oct-2010 12:06:38] <Parabola> jesus christ
[27-Oct-2010 12:06:47] <Parabola> exchange database corrupted
[27-Oct-2010 12:07:03] <Parabola> at the JET level, free corrupted tables for all
[27-Oct-2010 12:07:05] <Sam-I-Am> Parabola: nows a good time to take lunch
[27-Oct-2010 12:07:11] <Parabola> haha
[27-Oct-2010 12:07:13] <Parabola> i wish
[27-Oct-2010 12:07:14] <Simon4> or a leave of absence
[27-Oct-2010 12:07:17] <frozty_sa> Parabola: glhf
[27-Oct-2010 12:07:34] <Parabola> yeah im gonna try using ese to take a look
[27-Oct-2010 12:07:43] <Parabola> what lead me to look at this was bouncebacks people are getting
[27-Oct-2010 12:07:53] <Parabola> randomly, and its not user error!
[27-Oct-2010 12:08:06] <Sam-I-Am> i've never heard good things about exchange
[27-Oct-2010 12:08:23] <Parabola> ah its a good product
[27-Oct-2010 12:08:25] <Parabola> it really is
[27-Oct-2010 12:08:40] <Simon4> even I have good things to say about exhange, which is saying something
[27-Oct-2010 12:08:45] <Parabola> i like 2007, and 2010 while i havent used it, supposedly they made some good enhancements
[27-Oct-2010 12:09:00] <Parabola> apparently IO was redone to improve perf on SATA disks
[27-Oct-2010 12:09:08] <Parabola> everythings much more efficnet blah blah
[27-Oct-2010 12:09:45] <Parabola> and clustering is out of the box now
[27-Oct-2010 12:09:57] <Parabola> (microsoft guy was onsite to help fix an 07 issue, was telling us about it)
[27-Oct-2010 12:10:00] <Sam-I-Am> also, IANASA 
[27-Oct-2010 12:10:12] <Parabola> dunno what that is
[27-Oct-2010 12:10:18] <Sam-I-Am> i am not a sys admin
[27-Oct-2010 12:10:44] <frozty_sa> exchange is a nice integrated package deal
[27-Oct-2010 12:10:46] <frozty_sa> which is cool
[27-Oct-2010 12:10:56] <frozty_sa> but just all the issues that it comes with...
[27-Oct-2010 12:11:06] <rmatte> exchange and AD are the only 2 microsoft products worth mentioning
[27-Oct-2010 12:11:11] <rmatte> everything else is garbage
[27-Oct-2010 12:11:11] <rmatte> lol
[27-Oct-2010 12:12:39] <Sam-I-Am> only mail installs i've run (when IWASA) were postfix/cyrus/ldap
[27-Oct-2010 12:13:02] <rmatte> well, time for me to grab lunch, bbiab
[27-Oct-2010 12:13:05] <Sam-I-Am> enjoy
[27-Oct-2010 12:13:15] * Sam-I-Am is already hungry for lunch
[27-Oct-2010 12:13:58] * frozty_sa still needs to have an extended breakfast
[27-Oct-2010 12:14:03] <frozty_sa> at 18h00...
[27-Oct-2010 12:15:13] <Sam-I-Am> mmm bacon
[27-Oct-2010 12:15:23] <Parabola> rmatte +1
[27-Oct-2010 12:15:28] <Parabola> actually no
[27-Oct-2010 12:15:32] <Parabola> visual studio
[27-Oct-2010 12:15:50] <Parabola> gives new meaning to rapid app development
[27-Oct-2010 12:16:00] <Parabola> .net framework actually could go in that list too
[27-Oct-2010 12:16:10] <frozty_sa> don't agree
[27-Oct-2010 12:16:14] <Parabola> why not
[27-Oct-2010 12:16:41] <Parabola> aside from target version issues, which in the end comes down to companies being stubborn about deployment of the framework
[27-Oct-2010 12:16:42] <frozty_sa> I've got ruby and python people who will /bulldoze/ the speed of app rollout that VS people can generally do
[27-Oct-2010 12:17:04] <Parabola> yeah.. most companys dont want python apps
[27-Oct-2010 12:17:10] <Parabola> its a windows world mate
[27-Oct-2010 12:18:04] <frozty_sa> I disagree again
[27-Oct-2010 12:18:08] <frozty_sa> most companies want stuff that work
[27-Oct-2010 12:24:39] <rmatte> It's only a windows world because microsoft has a monopoly and open source apps are not viewed as being user friendly
[27-Oct-2010 12:24:49] <rmatte> which is changing little by little
[27-Oct-2010 12:25:45] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[27-Oct-2010 12:27:38] <theacolyte> is there a way to take an older xml based objects.xml file from an old zenpack (old!) and convert it without rewriting manually
[27-Oct-2010 12:27:42] <theacolyte> question mark
[27-Oct-2010 12:29:17] <rmatte> I'd personally just use an older version of Zenoss to convert it to an egg
[27-Oct-2010 12:29:27] <rmatte> I assume you're talking about a zip pack
[27-Oct-2010 12:30:30] <rmatte> there is no simple way to convert it if the formatting is different, you either use an older version of Zenoss which can read it in and then export it as a newer format objects.xml
[27-Oct-2010 12:30:45] <rmatte> or you figure out what the formatting differences are an script something to correct them (which would be more of a hassle)
[27-Oct-2010 12:34:30] <theacolyte> yeah this is a zip pack
[27-Oct-2010 12:34:42] <theacolyte> what's the last version to do zip packs? it was pre 2.5
[27-Oct-2010 12:35:17] <rmatte> pretty sure 2.5 can do it, but 2.4 is your best bet
[27-Oct-2010 12:35:42] <rmatte> I'm trying to find the guide for eggifying zenpacks, hold on...
[27-Oct-2010 12:35:53] <theacolyte> cool, thanks man
[27-Oct-2010 12:35:57] <rmatte> docs/DOC-2372;jsessionid=4ECB9347CA83C2205D673738EFB07742.node0
[27-Oct-2010 12:36:05] <theacolyte> I'd rather just conver this symmetra pack then rewrite it
[27-Oct-2010 12:36:33] <rmatte> yeh
[27-Oct-2010 12:36:48] <rmatte> Is it a pack on the ZenPack page?
[27-Oct-2010 12:36:52] <rmatte> or one that you made?
[27-Oct-2010 12:37:12] <Sam-I-Am> ahh shiz, stupid microwave circuit went down again
[27-Oct-2010 12:40:05] <rmatte> damn, just as I was about to cook my pizza pocket
[27-Oct-2010 12:40:08] <rmatte> 
[27-Oct-2010 12:40:40] <theacolyte> rmatte: you da man
[27-Oct-2010 12:40:46] <theacolyte> rmatte: it's one on the zenpack page
[27-Oct-2010 12:41:05] <theacolyte> docs/DOC-3433
[27-Oct-2010 12:41:09] <rmatte> cool
[27-Oct-2010 12:41:10] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: microwaves arent even good at cooking stuff, at least evenly
[27-Oct-2010 12:41:18] <rmatte> once you've converted it, be sure to send it to Matt Ray
[27-Oct-2010 12:41:22] <theacolyte> I will yeah
[27-Oct-2010 12:41:23] <Sam-I-Am> one side burns the heck out of you, the other is still frozen
[27-Oct-2010 12:41:25] <rmatte> cool
[27-Oct-2010 12:41:40] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: I know, hence the rotating tray
[27-Oct-2010 12:41:47] <rmatte> lol
[27-Oct-2010 12:41:56] <Sam-I-Am> then you just have more pockets of hot and frozen
[27-Oct-2010 12:42:06] <Parabola> it looks like every 60 seconds processes are bieng checked
[27-Oct-2010 12:42:13] <Parabola> id like to raise that
[27-Oct-2010 12:42:16] <Parabola> like, 5min or somthing
[27-Oct-2010 12:42:17] <rmatte> hence the overcooking until you have pockets of scolding hot and hot
[27-Oct-2010 12:42:37] <rmatte> then allowing it to sit for 5 minutes before consumption
[27-Oct-2010 12:42:48] <Parabola> zCommandCycleTime ?
[27-Oct-2010 12:42:59] <rmatte> Parabola: you're talking about process monitoring via snmp?
[27-Oct-2010 12:43:03] <Parabola> yeah
[27-Oct-2010 12:43:07] <rmatte> that's 5 minutes just like every other snmp monitoring
[27-Oct-2010 12:43:11] <Parabola> okay
[27-Oct-2010 12:43:21] <Parabola> i just closed it, but i thought i saw it running every min in zenprocess log
[27-Oct-2010 12:43:25] <Parabola> i must have misread it
[27-Oct-2010 12:46:05] <ericenns>  3.0.3 out today?
[27-Oct-2010 12:47:51] <ericenns> Yes 3.0.3 is now out awesome
[27-Oct-2010 12:48:08] <Parabola> it is?
[27-Oct-2010 12:48:24] <ericenns> for sure just 25 minutes ago
[27-Oct-2010 12:48:41] <Parabola> yup sure is 
[27-Oct-2010 12:48:51] <Parabola> let me know how the update goes
[27-Oct-2010 12:49:09] <ericenns> wil do doing it on my test instance in a moment
[27-Oct-2010 12:49:42] <ericenns> It makes my ESXi zenpack look prettier
[27-Oct-2010 12:50:13] <Parabola> how
[27-Oct-2010 12:50:27] <rmatte> makeup
[27-Oct-2010 12:50:55] <ericenns> Because they updated one of the core zenpack's which moves it into components instead of having it's own Item
[27-Oct-2010 12:51:32] <rmatte> nice
[27-Oct-2010 12:52:03] <ericenns> yuppers they also bundled there free esxtop zenpack with the 3.0.3 release
[27-Oct-2010 12:52:12] <rmatte> I saw that
[27-Oct-2010 12:52:26] <rmatte> between your pack and the esxtop pack, should be nice
[27-Oct-2010 12:52:31] <davetoo> what was the topic I came into the middle of?
[27-Oct-2010 12:52:37] <ericenns> yuppers
[27-Oct-2010 12:52:44] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: your zenpack works on 2.5.2 right?
[27-Oct-2010 12:52:55] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: yes that is correct
[27-Oct-2010 12:53:00] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: in theory, I don't think he's tested in to 2.5.2
[27-Oct-2010 12:53:04] <rmatte> or am I mistaken?
[27-Oct-2010 12:53:09] <rmatte> I know the datasource does
[27-Oct-2010 12:53:35] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: yes only in theory at the moment, I didn't create any gui stuff just relied on a zenpack that is 2.5.2 comaptible for that
[27-Oct-2010 12:54:00] <ericenns> I may actually have time today to tell you for sure that it is 2.5.2 compatible
[27-Oct-2010 12:54:37] <Sam-I-Am> woot
[27-Oct-2010 12:54:48] <Sam-I-Am> maybe i'll be the 2.5.2 guinea pig
[27-Oct-2010 12:54:57] <Sam-I-Am> still waiting on the sysmin to get his new vmware build done
[27-Oct-2010 12:55:04] <Sam-I-Am> (hence why i'm testing zenoss on a mac mini)
[27-Oct-2010 12:55:06] <rmatte> grrrr, the A/C just kicked on in here
[27-Oct-2010 12:55:12] * rmatte preps for meatlocker conditions
[27-Oct-2010 12:55:19] <Sam-I-Am> you'll live longer preserved
[27-Oct-2010 12:55:25] <rmatte> so they say
[27-Oct-2010 12:55:31] <ericenns> haha
[27-Oct-2010 12:55:51] <rmatte> I have no idea why they are running the A/C, it's 16*C out
[27-Oct-2010 12:56:50] <ericenns> yeah that's pretty messed
[27-Oct-2010 12:57:23] <rmatte> oh well, their electrictiy bill, not mine
[27-Oct-2010 12:57:30] <rmatte> electricity*
[27-Oct-2010 12:57:37] <ericenns> yup
[27-Oct-2010 12:57:59] <davetoo> I'm glad it's starting to cool down here.  Now I can turn off the A/C and just use a window fan
[27-Oct-2010 12:58:31] <rmatte> davetoo: whereabouts?
[27-Oct-2010 12:59:01] <Sam-I-Am> its been pleasantly cool here for about 2 months now... however, winter is close.
[27-Oct-2010 12:59:31] <Sam-I-Am> although it sure beats last year where at this time we already had a day or two with the high below freezing
[27-Oct-2010 13:00:44] <davetoo> SF Bay Area.  My home office.  My workstation puts out a lot of heat.  Seven spindles   (old, smaller drives)
[27-Oct-2010 13:01:03] <Sam-I-Am> i thought it was always cool in sf
[27-Oct-2010 13:01:49] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am: I'm not in The City.  I'm 20 miles south-east, and it's usually about 10 degrees (F) warmer over here.
[27-Oct-2010 13:02:05] <rmatte> A friend of mine was killed in a car crash near SF on Friday
[27-Oct-2010 13:02:16] <Sam-I-Am> ew
[27-Oct-2010 13:02:17] <rmatte> In Santa Cruz
[27-Oct-2010 13:02:46] <davetoo> fuck
[27-Oct-2010 13:02:47] <rmatte> some guy was driving stoned, fell asleep at the wheel, crossed the center line and hit her
[27-Oct-2010 13:02:50] <davetoo> sorry
[27-Oct-2010 13:02:52] <rmatte> it was his jeep vs her honda civic
[27-Oct-2010 13:02:53] <Sam-I-Am> ugh
[27-Oct-2010 13:02:57] <davetoo> oh, I read about that.
[27-Oct-2010 13:03:00] <rmatte> yeh
[27-Oct-2010 13:03:09] <davetoo> she was visiting from Canada?
[27-Oct-2010 13:03:35] <davetoo> sorry for your loss.
[27-Oct-2010 13:04:30] <rmatte> well, my friend Mike who is her husband was out there for business (he works for Adobe in Ottawa)
[27-Oct-2010 13:04:45] <rmatte> and Jaye (who was killed) and they 10 month old son went with him
[27-Oct-2010 13:04:51] <Sam-I-Am> having somewhat consistently coolish weather for cycling would be nice, but not sure i could deal with the insane crowding and expense out there.
[27-Oct-2010 13:05:02] <rmatte> their son was in the car too, he was doing ok in hospital but he started having seizures yesterday
[27-Oct-2010 13:05:02] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am: where are you?
[27-Oct-2010 13:05:06] <Sam-I-Am> davetoo: kansas
[27-Oct-2010 13:05:07] <davetoo> 
[27-Oct-2010 13:05:26] <ericenns> 3.0.3 upgrade seems to have went smoothly
[27-Oct-2010 13:05:31] <Sam-I-Am> my neighbor's wife and kid died in a car accident a bit ago... not sure how he's coping with the mess.
[27-Oct-2010 13:05:36] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am: I have an acquaintance (well, on-line) in Manhattan, KS
[27-Oct-2010 13:05:43] <ericenns> via centos rpm upgrade
[27-Oct-2010 13:05:50] <davetoo> 303 is out, eh?
[27-Oct-2010 13:05:50] <Sam-I-Am> ah, i'm in lawrence... bout an hour and change east of there.
[27-Oct-2010 13:05:52] <rmatte> Well, I hope he doesn't end up losing the kid because then I think he'll really lose it
[27-Oct-2010 13:06:00] <rmatte> but he seems to be coping as well as can be expected
[27-Oct-2010 13:06:15] <rmatte> yeh, 303 just came out
[27-Oct-2010 13:06:22] <davetoo> was he in the car (father?)  I didn't read carefully.
[27-Oct-2010 13:06:32] <rmatte> no, he was doing work
[27-Oct-2010 13:06:47] <rmatte> she was out with her son sightseeing, they were heading back to him when it happened
[27-Oct-2010 13:06:54] <rmatte> it was going to be their last day there
[27-Oct-2010 13:07:25] <davetoo> right
[27-Oct-2010 13:07:51] _dv_ is now known as dv_
[27-Oct-2010 13:08:15] <davetoo> I used to ride through there on my moto once or twice a month.  Often at ... somewhat elevated speed, depending on the traffic.
[27-Oct-2010 13:08:34] <davetoo> I don't know how I'd react if somebody drifted over like that.
[27-Oct-2010 13:08:58] <rmatte> well, the accident wouldn't have happened had the guy not just come up a hill before he crossed over in to the other lane, and had he not fallen asleep at the wheel at that exact moment
[27-Oct-2010 13:09:02] <rmatte> kind of a freak coincidence
[27-Oct-2010 13:09:16] <rmatte> the guy in the jeep ended up dying 3 hours later, but he had admitted that he was stoned
[27-Oct-2010 13:09:17] <davetoo> so she had no view ahead.
[27-Oct-2010 13:09:22] <rmatte> exactly
[27-Oct-2010 13:09:46] <davetoo> ok, now I see those hills in my mind, and I"m not sure I want to
[27-Oct-2010 13:09:53] <davetoo> i.e. I know the road well.
[27-Oct-2010 13:10:23] * rmatte nods
[27-Oct-2010 13:10:52] <rmatte> Adobe were nice enough to fly my friend's family down and put them up in the same hotel
[27-Oct-2010 13:11:03] <rmatte> he's stuck down there until his son recovers
[27-Oct-2010 13:11:04] <Parabola> anyone upgrade to 303 yet?
[27-Oct-2010 13:11:18] <xuru> it's out?
[27-Oct-2010 13:11:20] <Parabola> Yes.
[27-Oct-2010 13:11:21] <rmatte> Parabola: I'm probably going to end up trying the upgrade tomorrow
[27-Oct-2010 13:11:24] <rmatte> xuru: just came out
[27-Oct-2010 13:11:27] <Parabola> gotcha
[27-Oct-2010 13:11:37] <Parabola> shouldnt break any zenpacks right?
[27-Oct-2010 13:11:43] <xuru> is there debs yet?
[27-Oct-2010 13:11:52] <Parabola> go look
[27-Oct-2010 13:11:56] <Parabola> im not gonna look for ya
[27-Oct-2010 13:12:03] <Parabola> i only use stack installers
[27-Oct-2010 13:12:06] <ericenns> Parabola: I have upgraded and now im going to do it in production
[27-Oct-2010 13:12:08] <Parabola> i would guess tehy released all at the same time
[27-Oct-2010 13:12:09] <davetoo> back to Zenoss: I can't remember, is there an idiom or zenpack to monitor network connections (e.g. netstat -a)?
[27-Oct-2010 13:12:10] <ericenns> I use rpms
[27-Oct-2010 13:13:19] <Sam-I-Am> i think theres one...
[27-Oct-2010 13:13:46] <ericenns> xuru: yes there are debs already
[27-Oct-2010 13:13:54] <xuru> yeah, just found it
[27-Oct-2010 13:14:00] <xuru> sweet
[27-Oct-2010 13:14:07] <ericenns> everything is there including the virtual appliance
[27-Oct-2010 13:14:26] <xuru> cool, upgrading
[27-Oct-2010 13:14:47] <ericenns> cool
[27-Oct-2010 13:15:39] <ericenns> do I also need to update my distributed collector?
[27-Oct-2010 13:16:15] <rmatte> yes you do
[27-Oct-2010 13:18:04] * rmatte rejoices
[27-Oct-2010 13:18:15] <rmatte> finally fixed some false positives that were coming in
[27-Oct-2010 13:19:16] <Sam-I-Am> woot
[27-Oct-2010 13:20:09] <davetoo> I hate MS Word
[27-Oct-2010 13:30:56] <Sam-I-Am> thats why i dont use it
[27-Oct-2010 13:31:13] <Sam-I-Am> then again OOo isnt much better (unless you have 4 cores and 4 gigs of ram for it to load)
[27-Oct-2010 13:32:11] <rmatte> lol
[27-Oct-2010 13:32:14] <ericenns> Eugh I can't stand OOo I had to actually use it to write documentation for it man did that ever suck
[27-Oct-2010 13:32:35] <Sam-I-Am> i'm a big tex fan for serious documentation
[27-Oct-2010 13:32:46] <Sam-I-Am> a WYCIWYG interface
[27-Oct-2010 13:33:00] <Sam-I-Am> (c=code)
[27-Oct-2010 13:33:02] <davetoo> I just need a nice outliner at the moment.
[27-Oct-2010 13:33:28] <Orv> ericenns: ABIWord is lighter-weight.
[27-Oct-2010 13:33:30] <davetoo> What I would really like is a self-contained app, that I can send to somebody and have them use/edit the expandable outline
[27-Oct-2010 13:33:53] <ericenns> yeah I am planning on learning tex yet, but my I had to use OOo template for writting university usage documentation for OOo, after that my group found out that OOo is really not that usable
[27-Oct-2010 13:38:14] <rmatte> ooo is alright, but could be better
[27-Oct-2010 13:38:53] <rmatte> Microsoft Office 2010 is a usability nightmare
[27-Oct-2010 13:38:57] <ericenns> it feels to me like office 2002, maybe actually a little older
[27-Oct-2010 13:39:02] <rmatte> which is why I'm sticking with 2007
[27-Oct-2010 13:54:29] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[27-Oct-2010 14:10:24] <Parabola> rofl
[27-Oct-2010 14:10:31] <Parabola> the internet is down according to zenoss
[27-Oct-2010 14:10:38] <Parabola> both my zabbix and zenoss boxes are freaking out
[27-Oct-2010 14:10:52] <Parabola> 50 emails from each easy about stuff being down
[27-Oct-2010 14:10:54] <Parabola> diff isps..ect lol
[27-Oct-2010 14:11:13] <Parabola> aahh still pouring in
[27-Oct-2010 14:11:55] <Sam-I-Am> but is it down?
[27-Oct-2010 14:14:05] <Parabola> no
[27-Oct-2010 14:14:13] <Parabola> well not by the time i started pinging stuff
[27-Oct-2010 14:14:19] <Parabola> i got clears shortly after
[27-Oct-2010 14:14:35] <Parabola> the zabbix box and zenoss box are hosted in two different offices, on different connections, i think skynet is taking over
[27-Oct-2010 14:21:21] <LarsN> is there any talk on how far out 3.1(?) is.
[27-Oct-2010 14:21:26] <xuru> the new update seems to be working great
[27-Oct-2010 14:21:30] * LarsN can't wait for Relstorage. 
[27-Oct-2010 14:26:13] <davetoo> LarsN: I'm investigating whether it can be used with 3.0.x
[27-Oct-2010 14:26:35] <davetoo> digging into the ZODB/Zope/RelStorage docs directly
[27-Oct-2010 14:27:08] <LarsN> davetoo: there was some talk about a blog post explaining how to backport the changes.
[27-Oct-2010 14:27:25] <LarsN> davetoo: I'd rather stay on "supported"  even though I'm technically using the community version. 
[27-Oct-2010 14:27:46] <davetoo> oh? Do you have a URL?
[27-Oct-2010 14:28:21] <LarsN> davetoo: I do a lot of RelStorage in Plone.  My understanding with Zenoss is that the zenhub bits talk directly to the zodb (I might be remembering that slightly wrong) which means they also would need to be adapted.
[27-Oct-2010 14:28:35] <davetoo> I have a client (well, still just a prospect) who wants to do crazy stuff with Core
[27-Oct-2010 14:28:36] <davetoo> yeah,
[27-Oct-2010 14:28:39] <LarsN> davetoo: if it ever got posted mray would have the link.
[27-Oct-2010 14:28:47] <davetoo> I have been looking at the code changes
[27-Oct-2010 14:29:14] <davetoo> I'm still learning the ZODB interface, but..
[27-Oct-2010 14:29:26] <cgibbons> ian finally set me all the diffs last night, sec
[27-Oct-2010 14:29:28] <davetoo> Zenoss does some stuff to watch for object changes
[27-Oct-2010 14:30:02] <LarsN> davetoo: I typically use relstorage in Plone (a zope based CMS) to do crazy things with FreeBSD & CARP.  Like...  Two servers, each with the hosting proxy chain in front on CARP addresses across both servers.  Zope instances across BOTH servers load balanced, and have those talk to MySQL on an internal CARP interface.  Using MySQL replication to keep both databases in sync.
[27-Oct-2010 14:30:08] <davetoo> The ZODB-dev guys say that it is technically possible to just plug RelStorage into the back of ZEO,
[27-Oct-2010 14:30:31] <davetoo> but the changes might not be seen, and Ian thinks it would be slower than whale snot
[27-Oct-2010 14:30:32] <LarsN> get the performance of two servers, but will survive the loss of either server while dropping something less than 3 packets to the user.
[27-Oct-2010 14:30:36] <Parabola> what is relstorage?
[27-Oct-2010 14:31:03] <davetoo> Relational Storage for Zope Object Databases
[27-Oct-2010 14:31:05] <LarsN> cgibbons: with the relstorage changes, it should theoretically be possible to run multiple zope instances as well yes?
[27-Oct-2010 14:31:09] <Parabola> oh my
[27-Oct-2010 14:31:13] <cgibbons> who knows
[27-Oct-2010 14:31:15] <Parabola> tw telecom just dropped
[27-Oct-2010 14:31:28] <Parabola> go clec!
[27-Oct-2010 14:31:51] <davetoo> LarsN: what is CARP?
[27-Oct-2010 14:31:54] <LarsN> Parabola: typically zope stores everything in a single file (data.fs) relstorage takes those python objects, and sticks them inside MySQL / Oracle / PostgreSQL for you.
[27-Oct-2010 14:32:03] <Parabola> oh cool 
[27-Oct-2010 14:32:05] <Parabola> I didnt realize that
[27-Oct-2010 14:32:25] <LarsN> davetoo: Free/OpenBSD technology that allows you to share an IP address across two machines.  Either for load balancing, or for redundancy
[27-Oct-2010 14:32:32] <Parabola> i assumed it was already stored in mysql
[27-Oct-2010 14:32:34] <davetoo> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/wiki/RelStorage
[27-Oct-2010 14:32:37] <LarsN> think LACP/LAGG but across multiple machines rather than Multiple NICS
[27-Oct-2010 14:32:48] <davetoo> interesting
[27-Oct-2010 14:32:54] <Parabola> pfsense supports it out of the box
[27-Oct-2010 14:33:00] <davetoo> I usually run FreeBSD 
[27-Oct-2010 14:33:11] <LarsN> davetoo: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/carp.html
[27-Oct-2010 14:33:12] <davetoo> but not for servers, just as my usual unix workstation
[27-Oct-2010 14:33:39] <LarsN> my netbook is running PC-BSD.  I manage ~ 200 or so FreeBSD servers and VMs
[27-Oct-2010 14:33:46] <davetoo> would love to see Zenoss working on FreeBSD   Supported would be even better 
[27-Oct-2010 14:33:59] <davetoo> ITYM TheoBSD, btw 
[27-Oct-2010 14:34:23] <LarsN> TheoBSD is OpenBSD.
[27-Oct-2010 14:34:27] <LarsN> 
[27-Oct-2010 14:34:34] <davetoo> exactly
[27-Oct-2010 14:34:46] <LarsN> I've got no Open servers on our network.
[27-Oct-2010 14:34:47] <Parabola> SHIT
[27-Oct-2010 14:34:50] <Parabola> this exchange DB is corrupted
[27-Oct-2010 14:34:52] <Parabola> 
[27-Oct-2010 14:35:09] <Parabola> JET_errDatabaseCorrupted ftw
[27-Oct-2010 14:35:16] <LarsN> TheoBSD gave me at least two GREAT technologies.  PF && CARP 
[27-Oct-2010 14:36:33] <davetoo> yknow,
[27-Oct-2010 14:36:35] <Parabola> while they didnt give it to me, they still suport it, so a shoutout for ZFS!
[27-Oct-2010 14:36:44] <davetoo> I used to be well-versed in IPF,
[27-Oct-2010 14:36:50] <davetoo> never have made the transition to PF
[27-Oct-2010 14:37:39] <Sam-I-Am> pf and its components (like altq) are awesome
[27-Oct-2010 14:37:39] <davetoo> I wasn't allowed to deploy FreeBSD at work, except as Dummynet WAN simulators 
[27-Oct-2010 14:37:50] <davetoo> stupid high-level business deal with RedHat
[27-Oct-2010 14:37:57] <Sam-I-Am> i'm not impressed with any other things in openbsd
[27-Oct-2010 14:38:08] <Sam-I-Am> its like time warping to 1994
[27-Oct-2010 14:38:34] <cgibbons> insert floppy
[27-Oct-2010 14:39:58] <davetoo> floppy = DAT = VHS
[27-Oct-2010 14:40:20] <davetoo> floppy media is great for solar observation, though   Makes a great filter.
[27-Oct-2010 14:40:28] <davetoo> (So do CDs, though)
[27-Oct-2010 14:41:36] <davetoo> so has anyone on here written a modeler and/or datacollector/datasource?
[27-Oct-2010 14:41:46] <Parabola> question
[27-Oct-2010 14:41:55] <Sam-I-Am> i've modified some modeling plugins
[27-Oct-2010 14:42:05] <Parabola> is there any risk with 303 to break my zenpacks
[27-Oct-2010 14:42:19] <Parabola> davetoo im pretty sure rmatte mentioned he mad
[27-Oct-2010 14:42:27] <rmatte> Parabola: If 3.0.2 didn't break them then 3.0.3 won't lol
[27-Oct-2010 14:42:34] <davetoo> I wonder at what point a datasource component wins over a Nagios-format script?
[27-Oct-2010 14:42:53] <cgibbons> all we did with 3.0.3 is make it faster and fix a bunch of bug. what could go wrong?
[27-Oct-2010 14:43:01] <davetoo> hehehe
[27-Oct-2010 14:43:24] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: just a heads up, inter-arch collectors are definitely not supported by zenoss
[27-Oct-2010 14:43:35] <davetoo> inter-arch?
[27-Oct-2010 14:43:40] <Parabola> cgibbons 
[27-Oct-2010 14:43:42] <Parabola> what could go wrong?
[27-Oct-2010 14:43:49] <Sam-I-Am> inter-architecture.  aka, 64-bit hub, 32-bit collector(s)
[27-Oct-2010 14:43:52] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: lame
[27-Oct-2010 14:44:05] <Sam-I-Am> apparently the hub fondles the collectors via more than IP
[27-Oct-2010 14:44:12] <Sam-I-Am> particularly patches, apparently
[27-Oct-2010 14:44:17] <rmatte> ah
[27-Oct-2010 14:44:21] <Sam-I-Am> or at least it applies things via ssh
[27-Oct-2010 14:44:35] <davetoo> oh, yeah,
[27-Oct-2010 14:44:49] <davetoo> it uses ssh to ship over a copy of the directory tree
[27-Oct-2010 14:44:56] <davetoo> don't remember if that's via rsync or not
[27-Oct-2010 14:45:00] <davetoo> well,
[27-Oct-2010 14:45:05] <davetoo> 2.5.x did,
[27-Oct-2010 14:45:09] <Sam-I-Am> guess one of my customers is about to buy new hardware
[27-Oct-2010 14:45:17] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am: you talking about Enterprise?
[27-Oct-2010 14:45:19] <Sam-I-Am> yes
[27-Oct-2010 14:45:22] <davetoo> yeah,
[27-Oct-2010 14:45:25] <Parabola> hmm
[27-Oct-2010 14:45:34] <Parabola> maybe i should apply all these patches to ubuntu too while im at it
[27-Oct-2010 14:45:42] <Parabola> i'm missing 45 updates and 30 somthing security updates
[27-Oct-2010 14:45:49] <davetoo> I don't have access to an Enterprise system right now, but that's what I recall
[27-Oct-2010 14:45:58] <Sam-I-Am> Parabola: if you patch ubunti, it'll only tell you another update is available within 10 minutes. rinse, repeat.
[27-Oct-2010 14:46:04] <Parabola> lol
[27-Oct-2010 14:46:15] <Parabola> honestly i havent been patching incase one of the updates breaks zenoss 
[27-Oct-2010 14:46:19] <Parabola> i've just ignored them
[27-Oct-2010 14:46:28] <Sam-I-Am> hmm... not sure those would really cuase an issue
[27-Oct-2010 14:46:31] <Sam-I-Am> but i do tend to review patches
[27-Oct-2010 14:46:46] <Sam-I-Am> usually upgrade vs. dist-upgrade will keep big changes away
[27-Oct-2010 14:46:51] <rmatte> If you installed via the .deb or the stack installer it's impossible for a patch to mess up Zenoss
[27-Oct-2010 14:46:56] <rmatte> Zenoss comes with it's own environment
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:00] <Parabola> oh cool 
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:02] <Parabola> I used the stack
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:04] <rmatte> everything it needs to run is in /usr/local/zenoss
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:12] <rmatte> besides the obvious system account
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:12] <davetoo> cgibbons: do you guys have a good "component diagram" of how the hub/daemons/web UI communicate?
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:16] <mray> BOOM: Zenoss Core 3.0.3 is out! Major scalability improvements, assorted bugs fixed, good stuff http://bit.ly/azCv2A
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:22] <cgibbons> woot
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:26] <Parabola> mray OLD NEWS!
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:29] <Parabola> change topic 
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:31] <davetoo> BAM!  Kick it up a notch!
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:31] <rmatte> haha
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:35] <mray> yeah, I'm here to change the topic
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:37] <cgibbons> uh we do, but i don't know if that's published or not. do you know matt?
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:41] <Sam-I-Am> does it have crabs or something?
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:49] <mray> last of the crab releases
[27-Oct-2010 14:47:53] <rmatte> nah, they've done away with crabs
[27-Oct-2010 14:48:01] <cgibbons> you're awful optimistic. no bets on 3.0.4?
[27-Oct-2010 14:48:12] <claug> i keep getting page errors within Zenoss 3.0.2...simple things like deleting devices....adding single devices, however adding multiple devices will work....but I cannot delete any devices within Zenoss web gui...any ideas?
[27-Oct-2010 14:48:13] <rmatte> I would really really want to see a 3.0.4
[27-Oct-2010 14:48:14] <mray> cgibbons: I already won the bet there'd be a 3.0.3
[27-Oct-2010 14:48:17] <Parabola> crabs?
[27-Oct-2010 14:48:18] <davetoo> cgibbons: 'cause I'm about to make my own   I bought the software that Paul used to make his zenpack class diagrams
[27-Oct-2010 14:48:18] <rmatte> with template UI fixes!!!
[27-Oct-2010 14:48:32] <Parabola> claug restart zenoss, try again?
[27-Oct-2010 14:48:47] <davetoo> It does a great job of parsing the code and creating diagrams
[27-Oct-2010 14:48:58] <claug> Parabola: tried that just about 5 min ago....zippo!
[27-Oct-2010 14:49:05] <Parabola> hmm :-\
[27-Oct-2010 14:49:12] <claug> hmm...yes...
[27-Oct-2010 14:49:12] <Parabola> upgrade to 303? lol
[27-Oct-2010 14:49:15] <Parabola> see if it fixes it 
[27-Oct-2010 14:49:22] <claug> oh boy...
[27-Oct-2010 14:49:26] <Parabola> hehe
[27-Oct-2010 14:49:31] <claug> 
[27-Oct-2010 14:49:34] <Parabola> claug honestly i've found browsers to cause alot of issues
[27-Oct-2010 14:49:38] <Parabola> what browser/version are you using
[27-Oct-2010 14:49:57] <claug> it's in both IE7 and Firefox
[27-Oct-2010 14:50:09] <Parabola> hmm i have only used ie8 and chrome
[27-Oct-2010 14:50:10] <claug> I mean IE8
[27-Oct-2010 14:50:12] <Parabola> ah
[27-Oct-2010 14:50:29] <Parabola> i dunno man, honestly i'd upgrade it to 303 and see what happens lol
[27-Oct-2010 14:50:35] <Parabola> but i'm not the best planner when it comes to zenoss
[27-Oct-2010 14:50:45] <claug> yea I might try that then....
[27-Oct-2010 14:50:57] <Parabola> Try it, theres people here to help if that doesnt fix it 
[27-Oct-2010 14:50:58] <claug> I have all the updates...
[27-Oct-2010 14:51:02] <Parabola> what installer do you use
[27-Oct-2010 14:51:18] <claug> rpm in centOS
[27-Oct-2010 14:51:57] <Sam-I-Am> i've had good luck with firefox
[27-Oct-2010 14:52:07] <Parabola> on a side note, i finally moved my putty exe into C:\windows
[27-Oct-2010 14:52:10] <Parabola> so i can start > run putty
[27-Oct-2010 14:52:12] <claug> yea....
[27-Oct-2010 14:52:16] <Parabola> i dunno why i didnt do this years ago lol
[27-Oct-2010 14:52:22] <Sam-I-Am> 2.5 also works well ok in opera... not so much with 3
[27-Oct-2010 14:52:39] <Parabola> claug i hate to recommend it, but clear all temp files relaunch browser?
[27-Oct-2010 14:52:54] <claug> good point...
[27-Oct-2010 14:53:03] <davetoo> Parabola: I did exactly the same thing yesterday 
[27-Oct-2010 14:53:13] <claug> did it help?
[27-Oct-2010 14:53:36] <Parabola> i've had it help me before
[27-Oct-2010 14:53:52] <Parabola> but its been a while, chromes been pretty good to me
[27-Oct-2010 14:54:56] <claug> i might try that first then....
[27-Oct-2010 14:55:07] <Parabola> upgrading to 303 woot
[27-Oct-2010 14:55:21] * Parabola wonders if rmatte just laughs at everyone upgrading all the time
[27-Oct-2010 14:57:46] <Parabola> crap, my ssh session timed out on me while zenoss was installing
[27-Oct-2010 14:58:08] <ericenns> Parabola: gotta use nohub
[27-Oct-2010 14:58:13] <Parabola> shit
[27-Oct-2010 14:58:15] <Parabola> i cant ssh back in
[27-Oct-2010 14:58:20] <ericenns> i mean nohup
[27-Oct-2010 14:58:20] * Parabola opens vsphere
[27-Oct-2010 14:58:40] <Parabola> ericenns i would assume my session is still there
[27-Oct-2010 14:58:52] <Parabola> might be able to screen my way back to it
[27-Oct-2010 14:59:03] <ericenns> oh you screened it
[27-Oct-2010 14:59:32] <Parabola> what else can break today
[27-Oct-2010 14:59:39] <Parabola> clients exchange db is ruined, CLEC went out for a bit
[27-Oct-2010 14:59:43] <Parabola> and now i cant ssh into tihs box
[27-Oct-2010 15:01:45] <Parabola> FML
[27-Oct-2010 15:01:57] <Parabola> error during install, renaming to -backup
[27-Oct-2010 15:02:02] <ericenns> I have to use Lotus Notes - FML
[27-Oct-2010 15:02:54] <Parabola> haha
[27-Oct-2010 15:03:06] * Parabola looks for any docs on recovering from a failed upgrade
[27-Oct-2010 15:05:44] <Parabola> great, i cant run zenbackup
[27-Oct-2010 15:05:46] <pr0mised> hello, i'm using zenoss 3.0.2 and i'm learning about him, so.. i need monitore an server that is an webserver.. but the website that have a index.php page need be compared with mirror.php using md5. exist some method from i monitore this files if index and mirror are using the same md5? if the md5 be diffirent the zenoss show an alert!
[27-Oct-2010 15:06:36] <Parabola> Well that sucked
[27-Oct-2010 15:06:39] <Parabola> the zenoss upgrade killed ssh
[27-Oct-2010 15:06:45] <Parabola> how is that even possible
[27-Oct-2010 15:07:30] <pr0mised> O_o
[27-Oct-2010 15:07:40] <pr0mised> Parabola, same/
[27-Oct-2010 15:07:48] <pr0mised> very strange.
[27-Oct-2010 15:07:58] <rmatte> killed ssh?
[27-Oct-2010 15:08:04] <pr0mised> i think so this is not possible.
[27-Oct-2010 15:08:14] <Parabola> Yeah
[27-Oct-2010 15:08:16] <rmatte> in what sense?
[27-Oct-2010 15:08:23] <Parabola> as in it says fk off when you try to ssh into it
[27-Oct-2010 15:08:25] <rmatte> the client or the daemon?
[27-Oct-2010 15:08:29] <Parabola> daemon
[27-Oct-2010 15:08:34] <rmatte> strange
[27-Oct-2010 15:08:35] <Parabola> i tried restarting it, and then the server
[27-Oct-2010 15:08:36] <Parabola> still nothing 
[27-Oct-2010 15:08:47] <Parabola> and my zenoss upgrade died, so the box is dead
[27-Oct-2010 15:08:47] <rmatte> that was with the stack installer?
[27-Oct-2010 15:08:48] <Parabola> yes
[27-Oct-2010 15:09:00] <rmatte> I'll test it out and see if I get the same results
[27-Oct-2010 15:09:03] <rmatte> going to take a snapshot first
[27-Oct-2010 15:09:34] <Parabola> i dont see how its possible
[27-Oct-2010 15:09:49] <Parabola> hmm
[27-Oct-2010 15:09:57] <Parabola> i may just restore the VM
[27-Oct-2010 15:09:59] <rmatte> the stack installer might be doing something funky, bitrock can be full of surprises
[27-Oct-2010 15:10:36] <Parabola> error: There has been an error
[27-Oct-2010 15:10:45] <Parabola> renaming /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/etc to etc-backup
[27-Oct-2010 15:10:48] <Parabola> i quit
[27-Oct-2010 15:11:56] <rmatte> snapshot done, downloading installer...
[27-Oct-2010 15:11:57] <Parabola> hey cgibbons
[27-Oct-2010 15:11:59] <Parabola> what could go wrong?
[27-Oct-2010 15:12:09] <Parabola> 
[27-Oct-2010 15:12:33] <Parabola> new topic, lol: [14:42] <@cgibbons> all we did with 3.0.3 is make it faster and fix a bunch of bug. what could go wrong?
[27-Oct-2010 15:13:07] <cgibbons> error in what?
[27-Oct-2010 15:13:13] <cgibbons> during the install part?
[27-Oct-2010 15:13:20] <rmatte> so far 2 people have lost ssh while installing
[27-Oct-2010 15:13:23] <rmatte> as in sshd dies
[27-Oct-2010 15:13:32] <rmatte> I'm just about the test that myself
[27-Oct-2010 15:13:48] <rmatte> running the installer right now...
[27-Oct-2010 15:13:54] <Parabola> cgibbons so it crashed my upgrade (stack) and now i cannot get ssh to come back
[27-Oct-2010 15:14:03] <Parabola> nor can i upgrade zenoss :-\ errors out now
[27-Oct-2010 15:14:13] <cgibbons> nice!
[27-Oct-2010 15:14:24] <Parabola> i bet you dont have to restore a VM now
[27-Oct-2010 15:14:25] <Parabola> i do
[27-Oct-2010 15:16:45] <Parabola> segfaults in syslog when i try to ssh
[27-Oct-2010 15:17:15] <rmatte> almost sounds like bad memory
[27-Oct-2010 15:17:47] <rmatte> though pr0mised had the same issue
[27-Oct-2010 15:18:00] <rmatte> I'm waiting to see if mine finishes properly
[27-Oct-2010 15:18:18] <Parabola> yeah, but its just a vm on a box with 20 other vms that are working fine
[27-Oct-2010 15:18:34] * Orv watches with interest, while he downloads...
[27-Oct-2010 15:18:35] <Parabola> somthing broke it, i dunno how it could be zenoss install, but i wasnt doign anything else
[27-Oct-2010 15:18:39] <Parabola> lol orv
[27-Oct-2010 15:18:58] <Parabola> i removed openssh-server and reinstalled, didnt fix it 
[27-Oct-2010 15:19:16] <rmatte> if it screws up for me I'll take a stab at fixing it
[27-Oct-2010 15:19:43] <cgibbons> 100% of our QA for these things happens over ssh, so you would think the install wouldn't be the culprit there...
[27-Oct-2010 15:19:51] <Parabola> i would agree
[27-Oct-2010 15:19:56] <Parabola> im not saying it was
[27-Oct-2010 15:20:06] <Parabola> it went out during the install, and now i cant get it back
[27-Oct-2010 15:20:46] <Simon4_> Parabola: what happens if you run sshd -D -d on the vm, then try to ssh to it (making sure to stop ssh on the server first)
[27-Oct-2010 15:20:55] <Simon4_> (presuming you can log onto the console)
[27-Oct-2010 15:21:47] <Sam-I-Am> i have a pretty much stock (non-customized) VM of 3.0.2 i can upgrade if needed...
[27-Oct-2010 15:21:48] <xuru> in a event class would this work in the Rule section:  component = "IMAService"
[27-Oct-2010 15:21:50] <Sam-I-Am> its enterprise
[27-Oct-2010 15:21:53] <Sam-I-Am> but other than that...
[27-Oct-2010 15:22:01] <rmatte> xuru: ==
[27-Oct-2010 15:22:02] <rmatte> not =
[27-Oct-2010 15:22:04] <rmatte> but yes
[27-Oct-2010 15:22:08] <xuru> err... yeah
[27-Oct-2010 15:22:15] <xuru> but no here.component or something?
[27-Oct-2010 15:22:16] <rmatte> actually sorry...
[27-Oct-2010 15:22:18] <rmatte> evt.component
[27-Oct-2010 15:22:28] <xuru> ah, ok. that's what I forgot
[27-Oct-2010 15:22:32] <rmatte> evt.component == "IMAService"
[27-Oct-2010 15:22:37] <xuru> tyvm
[27-Oct-2010 15:22:41] <rmatte> np
[27-Oct-2010 15:22:45] <Parabola> honestly even if i fix ssh i still have a ruined zenoss install
[27-Oct-2010 15:22:55] <Parabola> so i'm not too eager to fix ssh on this when i sitll have no working zenoss
[27-Oct-2010 15:23:09] <rmatte> how do you figure that it's ruined?
[27-Oct-2010 15:23:20] <Parabola> well when the stack installer wont run and errors out
[27-Oct-2010 15:23:26] <Parabola> thats ruined in my book
[27-Oct-2010 15:23:34] <Parabola> I suppose i could remove the current and install all over again
[27-Oct-2010 15:23:36] <rmatte> you were running the stack installer as root, right?
[27-Oct-2010 15:23:37] <Sam-I-Am> i've never used a stack installer
[27-Oct-2010 15:23:39] <Parabola> or just restore the vm from last night
[27-Oct-2010 15:23:44] <Parabola> jesus yes rmatte
[27-Oct-2010 15:23:54] <Parabola> and i didnt do it with my eyes closed typign with my feet
[27-Oct-2010 15:24:12] <rmatte> I was just asking because of the error relating to movie /etc to /etc-old
[27-Oct-2010 15:24:16] <Parabola> sorry, im just having a bad day
[27-Oct-2010 15:24:16] <rmatte> moving*
[27-Oct-2010 15:24:17] <Sam-I-Am> Parabola: actually, thats sometimes the best way to handle upgrades... dont forget the ouija board 
[27-Oct-2010 15:24:28] <Parabola> 3 big things have gone wrong so far today
[27-Oct-2010 15:24:59] <rmatte> my upgrade worked
[27-Oct-2010 15:25:04] <rmatte> so not sure what went wrong with yours
[27-Oct-2010 15:25:08] <Parabola> what OS?
[27-Oct-2010 15:25:17] <Parabola> ubuntu 10.04 x64 here
[27-Oct-2010 15:25:19] <rmatte> Ubuntu 10.04
[27-Oct-2010 15:25:21] <rmatte> x64
[27-Oct-2010 15:25:25] <Parabola> I dunn
[27-Oct-2010 15:25:27] <xuru> My upgrade worked fine too
[27-Oct-2010 15:25:27] <Parabola> dunno*
[27-Oct-2010 15:25:41] <Parabola> i'll restore, and just leave it until i can setup 2.5.2 again
[27-Oct-2010 15:25:44] <xuru> same hardware as rmatte
[27-Oct-2010 15:27:34] <Parabola> dkfgadsjlkfjdskfjad
[27-Oct-2010 15:27:40] <Parabola> CLEC is out again, my vmware hosts have no connection
[27-Oct-2010 15:29:01] <rmatte> the graph zooming controls certainly look nicer in 3.0.3 lol
[27-Oct-2010 15:29:17] <Parabola> rub it in 
[27-Oct-2010 15:29:55] * Orv downloads, and backs-up, in preparation for upgrade.
[27-Oct-2010 15:30:01] <rmatte> $20 says they haven't done anything to performance template UI
[27-Oct-2010 15:30:38] <cgibbons> if dmd.user == 'rmatte': # don't show fixes
[27-Oct-2010 15:30:45] <rmatte> 
[27-Oct-2010 15:30:56] <Orv> Heh
[27-Oct-2010 15:31:21] <rmatte> Graph Definitions -> Manage Graph Points -> click on the gear
[27-Oct-2010 15:31:28] <rmatte> graph point info loads with no name
[27-Oct-2010 15:31:35] <rmatte> can't save until the name is manually populated
[27-Oct-2010 15:31:47] <rmatte> it's stuff like that that I can't believe made it through QA
[27-Oct-2010 15:31:48] <Sam-I-Am> that drove me nuts
[27-Oct-2010 15:31:59] <cgibbons> its worse than that
[27-Oct-2010 15:32:19] <cgibbons> it made it through QA, then I tried to use it to add some stuff to an ent. zenpack I was working on, and then it got fixed to at least be almost usable.
[27-Oct-2010 15:32:30] <cgibbons> i couldn't even make any edits before then, no idea how it made that far 
[27-Oct-2010 15:32:42] * rmatte cries
[27-Oct-2010 15:33:02] <rmatte> the template handling in the new UI is the one reason left for me not to upgrade
[27-Oct-2010 15:33:07] <rmatte> everything else looks pretty solid now
[27-Oct-2010 15:33:49] <rmatte> the work I did today and yesterday on interface templates would have been impossible to do in the new UI
[27-Oct-2010 15:34:06] <Parabola> god today sucks
[27-Oct-2010 15:34:09] * Sam-I-Am found his stuff in 2.5.2 took much less time than 3.0 on clean slates
[27-Oct-2010 15:34:10] <Parabola> CLEC keeps dropping
[27-Oct-2010 15:34:24] <Sam-I-Am> Parabola: what kind of circuit is that?
[27-Oct-2010 15:34:49] <Parabola> its fiber from tw telecom
[27-Oct-2010 15:34:57] <Sam-I-Am> ethernet delivery?
[27-Oct-2010 15:34:58] <Parabola> and they keep dropping
[27-Oct-2010 15:34:59] <Parabola> yes
[27-Oct-2010 15:35:05] <Parabola> i do believe so
[27-Oct-2010 15:35:14] <rmatte> It's not like you can ask for intrusive testing during the day either
[27-Oct-2010 15:35:29] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: you *can* ... it just might get more interesting.
[27-Oct-2010 15:35:37] <rmatte> yeh, that's what I meant
[27-Oct-2010 15:35:39] <Sam-I-Am> i've done it when the circuit is hopelessly broken anyway
[27-Oct-2010 15:35:46] <rmatte> unless it's legitimately hard down, not always the best idea
[27-Oct-2010 15:36:02] <Parabola> Yeah its rather annoying
[27-Oct-2010 15:36:05] <Parabola> my session died AGAIN
[27-Oct-2010 15:36:17] <Parabola> this time during the move of the vm files
[27-Oct-2010 15:36:26] <rmatte> might as well call your telecom and at least make them aware that you're having problems
[27-Oct-2010 15:36:30] <Sam-I-Am> someone recently multiplexed some T1s on the same cat5 and wondered why they're not working right.
[27-Oct-2010 15:36:35] <Parabola> oh my boss is on it
[27-Oct-2010 15:36:35] <rmatte> could be some carrier-wide issue or something
[27-Oct-2010 15:36:41] <Parabola> it is
[27-Oct-2010 15:36:49] <rmatte> figures
[27-Oct-2010 15:36:51] <Sam-I-Am> Parabola: where are you located?
[27-Oct-2010 15:37:32] <rmatte> When I was a network analyst, half of what I did all day was dealing with carriers
[27-Oct-2010 15:37:35] <rmatte> lots of fun
[27-Oct-2010 15:37:44] <Sam-I-Am> so much fun
[27-Oct-2010 15:37:48] <Sam-I-Am> like this microwave circuit
[27-Oct-2010 15:37:56] <theacolyte> fortunately I just realized that 2.4 has a vmware image
[27-Oct-2010 15:38:00] <rmatte> "We told you under no circumstances to test intrusively during business hours, and you went ahead and did it anyways!?"
[27-Oct-2010 15:38:00] <Sam-I-Am> its been unstable for at least 2 months
[27-Oct-2010 15:38:04] <rmatte> lots of that sort of thing
[27-Oct-2010 15:38:12] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: that assumes you get a human
[27-Oct-2010 15:38:32] <rmatte> well, with AT&T we had a web based system that we logged in to
[27-Oct-2010 15:38:45] <rmatte> which was kind of ok, because you could schedule a test yourself without speaking to anyone
[27-Oct-2010 15:39:00] <Sam-I-Am> here its the 'business direct' crap
[27-Oct-2010 15:39:02] <rmatte> though the automated testing software screwed up sometimes
[27-Oct-2010 15:39:28] Simon4_ is now known as Simon4
[27-Oct-2010 15:39:28] <rmatte> business direct, yeh, that's the one
[27-Oct-2010 15:39:56] <rmatte> It's not too bad, but it's not the best
[27-Oct-2010 15:40:07] <rmatte> You should have seen the web interfaces that we got from Bell
[27-Oct-2010 15:40:14] <rmatte> it looked like a 4 year old designed and coded it
[27-Oct-2010 15:40:19] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[27-Oct-2010 15:41:09] <Sam-I-Am> some of the providers here are lightyears ahead of att with support... especially with maint notifications.
[27-Oct-2010 15:41:17] <Sam-I-Am> att just breaks crap and tells no one
[27-Oct-2010 15:41:38] <theacolyte> WE have a bit of an inside joke - whenever we see an att truck we brace for outage
[27-Oct-2010 15:41:40] <Sam-I-Am> then you call their automated system since theres nothing else... and eventually they close the ticket saying it was maint
[27-Oct-2010 15:42:04] <Sam-I-Am> theacolyte: ha, same here.  there was an att fiber truck outside this building a few weeks ago and we were told to keep and eye on the guy
[27-Oct-2010 15:42:51] <Parabola> Sam-I-Am sorry was afk
[27-Oct-2010 15:42:54] <Parabola> Sam-I-Am i'm in cols ohio
[27-Oct-2010 15:43:10] <Sam-I-Am> ah
[27-Oct-2010 15:43:13] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: that is too funny
[27-Oct-2010 15:43:26] <Sam-I-Am> backhoes are even better
[27-Oct-2010 15:43:37] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: I remember an incident where AT&T showed up, spliced some fiber back together, then threw it in to a ditch full of water
[27-Oct-2010 15:43:43] <Sam-I-Am> you know they're going to hit something
[27-Oct-2010 15:43:44] <rmatte> You can guess how long that lasted
[27-Oct-2010 15:43:44] * Orv crosses his fingers and upgrades...
[27-Oct-2010 15:43:45] <Parabola> Sam-I-Am my previous employer we had the same prbolem with ATT
[27-Oct-2010 15:43:54] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[27-Oct-2010 15:43:58] <Parabola> all our offices used ATT, had a nice 100mbit MPLS from here to cali
[27-Oct-2010 15:44:02] <Parabola> and another to texas
[27-Oct-2010 15:44:20] <Parabola> and whenever anything broke, they didnt care, and we got notifications about maint being done
[27-Oct-2010 15:44:35] <Parabola> i wish i had that ability with my job lol, if i break somthing i could just say its maintenance
[27-Oct-2010 15:44:39] <theacolyte> ah crap
[27-Oct-2010 15:44:45] <Parabola> "yeah zenoss is undergoign maint right now"
[27-Oct-2010 15:44:52] <theacolyte> Any of you happen to know the login for the zenoss vm (2.4.5?)
[27-Oct-2010 15:44:54] <theacolyte> Console login
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:01] <Parabola> zenoss / zenoss ?
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:05] <theacolyte> Tried that
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:07] <Parabola> hm
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:09] <theacolyte> This isn't the web interface
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:11] <Parabola> root / zenoss ?
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:15] <Parabola> i have no idea
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:20] <theacolyte> oh nice
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:23] <Sam-I-Am> i kinda like how something will go down, we'll call it in, it'll come back up shortly after with a ticket resolution of "tested and was fine" or "CPE"
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:23] <theacolyte> root no password
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:25] <rmatte> admin/zenoss
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:26] <Parabola> lol
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:37] <Parabola> CPE
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:39] <rmatte> oh, you mean the ssh login?
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:43] <rmatte> no idea
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:44] <Sam-I-Am> cpe is about 85% of their resolutions
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:48] <theacolyte> Not even ssh, this is the 2.4.5 vmware appliance
[27-Oct-2010 15:45:53] <Sam-I-Am> only later to find out it was their stuff
[27-Oct-2010 15:46:05] <rmatte> right, but you're talking about console login, not gui, right?
[27-Oct-2010 15:46:11] <Parabola> theacolyte havent i seen you in vmware?
[27-Oct-2010 15:46:19] <theacolyte> Parabola: yeah
[27-Oct-2010 15:46:20] <theacolyte> rmatte: yeah
[27-Oct-2010 15:46:33] <rmatte> root/zenoss is my best guess, if it's not that, no idea
[27-Oct-2010 15:46:38] <rmatte> that rpath appliance blows ass anyways
[27-Oct-2010 15:46:44] <Parabola> lol
[27-Oct-2010 15:46:50] <theacolyte> It's just root no password
[27-Oct-2010 15:46:52] <Parabola> i was a fan of the stack installer until today
[27-Oct-2010 15:46:53] <rmatte> ah
[27-Oct-2010 15:46:55] <theacolyte> I just need it to efggify
[27-Oct-2010 15:46:55] * Parabola pokes cgibbons
[27-Oct-2010 15:46:58] <theacolyte> err eggify
[27-Oct-2010 15:47:09] <rmatte> I'm still a fan of the stack installer, not sure what happened with yours
[27-Oct-2010 15:47:12] <theacolyte> So framed like that it's perfect
[27-Oct-2010 15:54:25] <theacolyte> rmatte: have you done this eggify stuff? It doesn't seem to create a .egg file
[27-Oct-2010 15:54:43] <theacolyte> Let me try exporting it
[27-Oct-2010 15:57:32] <rmatte> yeh I have done it
[27-Oct-2010 15:57:45] <rmatte> I don't recall it actually spitting out a .egg
[27-Oct-2010 15:57:48] <rmatte> you have to export
[27-Oct-2010 15:58:58] <theacolyte> Interesting, I didn't even get an error when importing that egg... it just closed
[27-Oct-2010 15:59:39] <theacolyte> I'll do it from the CLI, I find that works better (or at least gives me an error)
[27-Oct-2010 15:59:49] <rmatte> well, I don't export then download
[27-Oct-2010 15:59:58] <rmatte> I just export, then grab the egg file via sftp or whatever
[27-Oct-2010 16:00:04] <theacolyte> I exported, and copied over to my machine to import via gui
[27-Oct-2010 16:00:11] <rmatte> ah
[27-Oct-2010 16:00:13] <theacolyte> going to zenpackinstall
[27-Oct-2010 16:00:20] <rmatte> I always install via the CLI
[27-Oct-2010 16:00:24] <rmatte> and it's zenpack --install
[27-Oct-2010 16:00:25] <rmatte> 
[27-Oct-2010 16:00:46] <Sam-I-Am> you guys know of any way to make the dashboard for a user immutable?  e.g, adding/removing portlets, changing password, etc
[27-Oct-2010 16:01:53] <rmatte> meaning so that they aren't able to edit it?
[27-Oct-2010 16:01:56] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[27-Oct-2010 16:02:09] <rmatte> the global dashboard thingie is the only thing that I've seen that allows that
[27-Oct-2010 16:02:20] <rmatte> thread/7082
[27-Oct-2010 16:03:03] <theacolyte> http://pastebin.com/cJuwsmhA
[27-Oct-2010 16:03:03] <rmatte> I intend to develop a dashboard view via the site portlet and then limit all users to that view
[27-Oct-2010 16:03:35] <rmatte> theacolyte: what version of Zenoss are you installing on?
[27-Oct-2010 16:03:41] <theacolyte> 3
[27-Oct-2010 16:03:48] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: and they can't change it?
[27-Oct-2010 16:03:51] <rmatte> remove the -py2.4 from the filename
[27-Oct-2010 16:03:58] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: as far as I understand it
[27-Oct-2010 16:04:27] <Sam-I-Am> interesting
[27-Oct-2010 16:05:15] <theacolyte> Wow that made a big difference, but
[27-Oct-2010 16:05:19] <theacolyte> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.Symmetra40k-2.0.egg/ZenPacks/community/Symmetra40k/skins'
[27-Oct-2010 16:07:47] <theacolyte> sho 'nuff there isn't one
[27-Oct-2010 16:08:04] <theacolyte> Maybe I'll try to steal some skins
[27-Oct-2010 16:08:08] <Orv> 3.0.2 --> 3.0.3 upgrade completed.  No apparent issuesw
[27-Oct-2010 16:08:12] <Orv> er - issues...
[27-Oct-2010 16:08:14] <Sam-I-Am>  /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss looks a little fishy
[27-Oct-2010 16:08:17] <cgibbons> holy crap this is why i don't come to austin more often
[27-Oct-2010 16:08:23] <cgibbons> i just had 15 people come visit me in 20 mins
[27-Oct-2010 16:09:02] <Orv> cgibbons: You da man  ;-)
[27-Oct-2010 16:09:19] <cgibbons> i should charge a fee
[27-Oct-2010 16:10:36] <theacolyte> Ah, nm, that doc says stuff about skins
[27-Oct-2010 16:10:42] <theacolyte> This is a bit of a painful process
[27-Oct-2010 16:10:43] <Orv> 1 beer/question, local bar, after work  :-D
[27-Oct-2010 16:11:01] <Sam-I-Am> answers will get interesting quickly
[27-Oct-2010 16:11:47] <theacolyte> What format is .egg? gz?
[27-Oct-2010 16:11:57] <Simon4> zip
[27-Oct-2010 16:13:15] * Sam-I-Am invents .bacon
[27-Oct-2010 16:13:32] <davetoo> /home/${here/zCommandUsername}/check_ldap -H ${here/zLDAPip}
[27-Oct-2010 16:13:40] <davetoo> What is that first TALES expression doing?
[27-Oct-2010 16:13:48] <davetoo> somebody
[27-Oct-2010 16:13:55] <Sam-I-Am> checking ldap
[27-Oct-2010 16:14:01] <davetoo> somebody's command
[27-Oct-2010 16:14:05] <davetoo> erm,
[27-Oct-2010 16:14:21] <davetoo> '${here/zCommandUsername}' is the TALES expression
[27-Oct-2010 16:14:38] <Sam-I-Am> should be the user that zcommand runs as?
[27-Oct-2010 16:14:54] <Sam-I-Am> its a zproperty
[27-Oct-2010 16:15:07] <davetoo> zCommandUsername is the SSH userna,e
[27-Oct-2010 16:15:08] <davetoo> name.
[27-Oct-2010 16:15:41] <rmatte> hmmm, this is driving me nuts, there's an SNMP value that I'm polling which isn't changing at all, I have a derive datasource, yet Zenoss seems to think that the value is actually changing
[27-Oct-2010 16:15:42] <davetoo> What is confusing me is that it *looks* like it's choosing a different directory per user to find 'check_ldap',
[27-Oct-2010 16:15:49] <davetoo> that doesn't make sense to me
[27-Oct-2010 16:17:47] <theacolyte> eh, screw it, it's not worth the hassle, I guess I'll rebuild this zenpack
[27-Oct-2010 16:17:53] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: wtf?
[27-Oct-2010 16:18:32] <rmatte> ?
[27-Oct-2010 16:19:15] <Sam-I-Am> your snmp thing
[27-Oct-2010 16:19:29] <rmatte> I'm polling ifLastChange on interfaces, which is a timetick of when the last time was that the interface status changed
[27-Oct-2010 16:19:49] <rmatte> The derive datasource should stay at 0 unless the value actually changes
[27-Oct-2010 16:19:53] <rmatte> and for most of the interfaces it is
[27-Oct-2010 16:19:56] <rmatte> but for a few it's not
[27-Oct-2010 16:20:04] <rmatte> I can verify via snmpwalk that the value isn't changing at all
[27-Oct-2010 16:20:07] <Sam-I-Am> ew
[27-Oct-2010 16:20:15] <rmatte> yeh, pretty lame
[27-Oct-2010 16:20:16] <rmatte> lol
[27-Oct-2010 16:22:09] <rmatte> The value was 858993459, I deleted the RRD and allowed it to regenerate, I checked to make sure that the value was still 858993459 after I saw a spike on the graph and it was
[27-Oct-2010 16:22:41] <rmatte> the spike shows an increase of over 2000000
[27-Oct-2010 16:23:00] <rmatte> can't understand how that's happening
[27-Oct-2010 16:24:33] <Sam-I-Am> whats the value contained in the rrd?
[27-Oct-2010 16:24:45] <Sam-I-Am> er, values
[27-Oct-2010 16:25:47] <rmatte> hmmm, good question... I'll check
[27-Oct-2010 16:26:03] <rmatte> what's the rrdtool syntax for that?
[27-Oct-2010 16:26:09] <rmatte> don't feel like messing with zendmd to get it
[27-Oct-2010 16:26:39] <Sam-I-Am> rrdtool last <rrdfile>
[27-Oct-2010 16:26:41] <Sam-I-Am> to get the last
[27-Oct-2010 16:27:06] <Orv> I have an Event called "Unknown"; how do I stop alerting on it?
[27-Oct-2010 16:27:32] <rmatte> The value in the RRD is 1288211136
[27-Oct-2010 16:27:40] <rmatte> which is odd
[27-Oct-2010 16:27:53] <rmatte> The snmpwalk shows: .1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.9.5181 = Timeticks: (858993459) 99 days, 10:05:34.59
[27-Oct-2010 16:27:56] <Sam-I-Am> rrd fetch <rrdfile> with some other stuff will show the contents
[27-Oct-2010 16:27:56] <ericenns> you could also do rrdtool fetch path/tp/rrd AVERAGE
[27-Oct-2010 16:28:08] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, or MAX depending on your CFs
[27-Oct-2010 16:28:34] <xuru> oh, I like the buttons on the graphs now
[27-Oct-2010 16:28:42] <Sam-I-Am> Orv: you'll need to classify it, or set unknown events to not alert
[27-Oct-2010 16:28:43] <rmatte> yeh, it looks like the value is bad from the get go
[27-Oct-2010 16:29:07] <theacolyte> Is there a way to see exactly what command zen modeler is using to model?
[27-Oct-2010 16:29:32] <rmatte> now it just shot down to -9 million
[27-Oct-2010 16:29:37] <rmatte> how the heck is it getting these values
[27-Oct-2010 16:29:46] <Orv> Sam-I-Am: I'd prefer the latter, but can't seem to find where to do that...
[27-Oct-2010 16:31:58] <rmatte> I'm out, talk to you guys tomorrow
[27-Oct-2010 16:32:04] <Orv> Later
[27-Oct-2010 16:32:09] <theacolyte> see ya
[27-Oct-2010 16:39:50] <cgibbons> hey cool 3.0.3 has that logseverity fix
[27-Oct-2010 16:41:17] <Orv> cgibbons: Which bug was that?
[27-Oct-2010 16:41:35] <cgibbons> if logseverity was set, to anything, in a daemon's conf file is fked up logging completely
[27-Oct-2010 16:41:46] <cgibbons> #7327
[27-Oct-2010 16:41:48] <mray> cgibbons: yeah, that was a major bug
[27-Oct-2010 16:42:53] <Orv> Ewww....
[27-Oct-2010 16:48:57] <theacolyte> I literally just installed 3.0.2 yesterday
[27-Oct-2010 16:53:10] <LorenzoCentrelli> whats the logseverity fix ?
[27-Oct-2010 16:55:16] <theacolyte> I keep reading that as longevity fix
[27-Oct-2010 16:56:58] <mray> LorenzoCentrelli: if you had tweaked any of the severity settings for logging, you got no logging.
[27-Oct-2010 17:03:44] <xuru> I have a non-zenoss related question...   our network is extreamly slow (especially across our core switch).  What can I use to find out what the problem is?  I have a feeling the core switch is dropping packets
[27-Oct-2010 17:04:37] <Sam-I-Am> interface counters, either via cli or snmp
[27-Oct-2010 17:04:53] <Sam-I-Am> zenoss via snmp can monitor certain types of packet drops
[27-Oct-2010 17:04:57] <Sam-I-Am> its vendor dependent
[27-Oct-2010 17:05:30] <theacolyte> CPU usage
[27-Oct-2010 17:05:39] <theacolyte> Most vendors have documentation for that
[27-Oct-2010 17:05:56] <xuru> Sam-I-Am: thanks, I'm looking at those but it's not exactly apparent
[27-Oct-2010 17:07:00] <Sam-I-Am> cpu will be vendor specific, but basic interface counters are almost always in IF-MIB
[27-Oct-2010 17:07:08] <xuru> we use a Nortel 8610 and it's given us nothing be headaches
[27-Oct-2010 17:07:20] <LorenzoCentrelli> smokeping is great for packet loss !
[27-Oct-2010 17:07:29] <LorenzoCentrelli> @ xuru
[27-Oct-2010 17:07:43] <Sam-I-Am> xuru: sounds deliciou
[27-Oct-2010 17:07:44] <Sam-I-Am> s
[27-Oct-2010 17:07:46] <theacolyte> No idea on Nortel
[27-Oct-2010 17:07:49] <theacolyte> I'm a cisco guy
[27-Oct-2010 17:07:55] <xuru> LorenzoCentrelli: yeah, I've used that before
[27-Oct-2010 17:08:05] <xuru> so agrivating
[27-Oct-2010 17:08:09] <LorenzoCentrelli> yeah, makes nice pretty colored web pages when packets are being dropped
[27-Oct-2010 17:08:10] <xuru> however you spell it
[27-Oct-2010 17:08:16] <LorenzoCentrelli> :-)
[27-Oct-2010 17:08:20] <theacolyte> aggravating
[27-Oct-2010 17:08:26] <xuru> 
[27-Oct-2010 17:08:28] <theacolyte> hehe
[27-Oct-2010 17:08:44] <theacolyte> I've heard nothing but bad thingsa bout nortel in general though, fwiw (pretty much nothing)
[27-Oct-2010 17:09:25] <xuru> I was doing a raw disk copy across the network and I couldn't see the percent complete for all the "resends" flying across the screen
[27-Oct-2010 17:13:39] <theacolyte> resends are bad
[27-Oct-2010 17:14:05] <theacolyte> You see a lot of retransmits on switches with pegged CPU
[27-Oct-2010 17:15:43] <cgibbons> yay, it took a while but i finally was able to get trunk running again
[27-Oct-2010 17:21:41] <mray> fudge
[27-Oct-2010 17:23:13] <theacolyte> someone remind me how long it takes for NANs to go away
[27-Oct-2010 17:23:16] <theacolyte> is it an hour or so now?
[27-Oct-2010 17:28:49] <Sam-I-Am> should be about 3 snmp cycles
[27-Oct-2010 17:29:29] <theacolyte> ugh, so something is wrong
[27-Oct-2010 17:29:53] <theacolyte> Oh i may have to restart zopectl
[27-Oct-2010 17:30:15] <theacolyte> I can walk it just fine, though the snmpwalk in the GUI doesn't seem to work with snmp v3
[27-Oct-2010 17:43:01] <Sam-I-Am> anyone here have the issue where people think you can make xyz change to zenoss in seconds?
[27-Oct-2010 17:43:08] <Sam-I-Am> sure gets annoying...
[27-Oct-2010 17:43:53] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: you need the ESP zenpack 
[27-Oct-2010 17:43:58] <Simon4> bend that system to your will
[27-Oct-2010 17:44:35] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[27-Oct-2010 17:44:52] <Sam-I-Am> well, they're pretty detailed about what they want... luckily i dont have to read user minds
[27-Oct-2010 17:45:35] <cgibbons> that sounds oddly familar
[27-Oct-2010 17:45:46] <cgibbons> maybe even familiar
[27-Oct-2010 17:47:10] <Sam-I-Am> they want me to restrict the acl'd zenuser so even 'reports' dont show up
[27-Oct-2010 17:47:24] <Sam-I-Am> well, the reports tab... still allow direct urls to reports (or something)
[27-Oct-2010 17:47:44] <Sam-I-Am> i dont think that's easily doable, at least without some zope hackery
[27-Oct-2010 17:48:11] <Sam-I-Am> hiding the preferences link too
[27-Oct-2010 17:51:09] * Sam-I-Am needs to make the omgponies zenpack
[27-Oct-2010 17:51:19] <theacolyte> Ah there we go, it just took a zope restart
[27-Oct-2010 18:01:50] <willwh> theacolyte: was facing similar issues myself 
[27-Oct-2010 18:05:13] <Sam-I-Am> ->home
[27-Oct-2010 19:21:28] <davetoo> wtf?
[27-Oct-2010 19:21:51] <davetoo> why does libgcj, which zenoss 2.5.2 rpm requires, need to build an entire X environment?
[27-Oct-2010 19:21:56] <davetoo> I don't want X on my server
[27-Oct-2010 19:25:35] <nyeates> like X windows?
[27-Oct-2010 19:28:02] <nyeates> no idea tho... maybe some java req?
[27-Oct-2010 19:30:22] <davetoo> gcj is the gnu java environment
[27-Oct-2010 19:30:30] <davetoo> I dunno.. maybe it's just yum going nuts
[27-Oct-2010 19:31:51] <davetoo> maybe I just should have used the stack installer 
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[27-Oct-2010 22:52:07] <nickanderson> hello
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[28-Oct-2010 03:09:50] <frozty_sa> sigh
[28-Oct-2010 03:10:02] <frozty_sa> looks like it's about time I deploy my v3 tests....
[28-Oct-2010 03:10:04] <fragfutter> still thursday....
[28-Oct-2010 03:39:15] <frozty_sa> fragfutter: yeah, but if I leave it long enough, it becomes monday :/
[28-Oct-2010 06:34:19] <fragfutter> oh, new zenoss version
[28-Oct-2010 06:40:08] <fragfutter> i like this one: Impact - Loss of confidence in the product
[28-Oct-2010 07:08:43] <zykes-> is there a remote agent in the works
[28-Oct-2010 07:08:44] <zykes-> ?
[28-Oct-2010 07:08:56] <fragfutter> zykes-: what do you mean by remote agent?
[28-Oct-2010 07:09:46] <zykes-> poll.jspa?poll=1030
[28-Oct-2010 07:13:07] <fragfutter> not that i know off.
[28-Oct-2010 07:13:19] <fragfutter> (and i have no idea why i would need one)
[28-Oct-2010 08:13:27] <tiredofme> hmm I'm having some strange command timeout issues
[28-Oct-2010 08:13:46] <tiredofme> I had several devices with that event from 8pm to 1am last night
[28-Oct-2010 08:14:01] <tiredofme> but almost nothing from 1 am to now
[28-Oct-2010 08:58:06] <cgibbons> hmm at least the rabbitmq-server doesn't seem to use a lot of resources
[28-Oct-2010 09:00:30] <nickanderson> How do people accomplish complex alerting rules?
[28-Oct-2010 09:05:06] <LorenzoCentrelli> tiredofme: network issues or backups ?
[28-Oct-2010 09:09:34] <tiredofme> LorenzeoCentrelli: I believe these are network issues
[28-Oct-2010 09:10:12] <tiredofme> LorenzeoCentrelli: I'm monitoring 45 production websites at the moment and these timeouts usually take place at night
[28-Oct-2010 09:11:42] <tiredofme> LorenzoCentrelli: my command timeouts are set to 85 secs, which should be more than enough time, especially for a simple check_http request. The 15 min load avg on my main hub is only .60 so I know it's not an issue of performance
[28-Oct-2010 09:12:48] <tiredofme> LorenzoCentrelli: It's just irritating more than anything. I guess I'll just filter those alerts ouot
[28-Oct-2010 09:15:58] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[28-Oct-2010 09:16:33] <LorenzoCentrelli> yeah, 85 seconds is really high
[28-Oct-2010 09:17:15] <Simon4> tiredofme: you're not hitting log roatation or something?
[28-Oct-2010 09:17:36] <tiredofme> Simon4: what do you mean by that?
[28-Oct-2010 09:17:46] <tiredofme> the main culprit seems to be webinject
[28-Oct-2010 09:18:03] <Simon4> tiredofme: just wondering if you have a check_http request that hits a restarting apache, so the request never happens
[28-Oct-2010 09:18:08] <Simon4> since you said it was overnight
[28-Oct-2010 09:18:32] <Simon4> can you see the timing out requests in the access logs for the httpd?
[28-Oct-2010 09:18:55] <tiredofme> Simon4: ohh, well I'm actually hitting sites that are load balanced and being served through a content switch
[28-Oct-2010 09:19:06] <Simon4> ah
[28-Oct-2010 09:19:37] <tiredofme> I'm also independently checking the IIS vhost of each site on each server and no timeouts there
[28-Oct-2010 09:19:56] <tiredofme> it's only when I'm hitting the actual public site
[28-Oct-2010 09:20:07] <tiredofme> so I'm wondering if it's a content switch issue
[28-Oct-2010 09:20:15] <Simon4> smells a bit that way
[28-Oct-2010 09:20:38] <Sam-I-Am> mmm, precious mocha
[28-Oct-2010 09:23:57] <tiredofme> It's actually kind of funny (in a not funny way). A good handful of these sites were taking 40+ secs to load
[28-Oct-2010 09:24:08] <tiredofme> one was even at 1700+ seconds
[28-Oct-2010 09:24:16] <tiredofme> which is beyond insane
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[28-Oct-2010 09:29:34] <Sam-I-Am> so i think i've found some documentation to force a dashboard configuration for ALL users
[28-Oct-2010 09:29:42] <Sam-I-Am> but the question is... can i force a config for a single user
[28-Oct-2010 09:30:41] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: you can overwrite the users dashboardstate property - it's just a json string
[28-Oct-2010 09:31:53] <Sam-I-Am> yeah... and how would i overwrite that or make it read-only for this user?
[28-Oct-2010 09:32:02] <Sam-I-Am> assuming they attempted to change stuff
[28-Oct-2010 09:32:12] <Sam-I-Am> (the people i work for are *extremely* paranoid)
[28-Oct-2010 09:32:42] <nickanderson> It seems quite difficult to get monitor level alerts
[28-Oct-2010 09:32:56] <Sam-I-Am> ... at least when it comes to leaving any tiny possibility open for people to do more than they want them to
[28-Oct-2010 09:33:09] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: do you want to be able to periodically overwrite it, or actually stop them changing it?
[28-Oct-2010 09:33:24] <nickanderson> My alerts are needing to become more sophisticated, and I dont see how to do it. Alert filters seem quite limited
[28-Oct-2010 09:33:48] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: ideally, they cannot change it.  however, periodically resetting it would be fine.
[28-Oct-2010 09:37:58] <imeyer> here's an odd issue i'm having.. maybe someone else has seen it
[28-Oct-2010 09:38:18] <imeyer> i have a multi-graph report that combines 1 metric from 8 devices
[28-Oct-2010 09:38:56] <imeyer> when i display them all on the same graph, 4 of them return nan.. but if i do individual graphs, the 4 nans show the correct data
[28-Oct-2010 09:40:55] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: give me 2 min and I'll pastie something up
[28-Oct-2010 09:42:16] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: http://pastie.org/1255459 will copy dashboardstate from user to user, or user to group
[28-Oct-2010 09:43:23] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: cool
[28-Oct-2010 09:43:28] <Sam-I-Am> guess i can just run that now and then...
[28-Oct-2010 09:43:53] <Sam-I-Am> imeyer: sure its grabbing the right stuff from each graph
[28-Oct-2010 09:44:13] <Sam-I-Am> if the underlying per-graph data points change... i suspect it could screw up your multigraph
[28-Oct-2010 09:44:24] <Sam-I-Am> howdy nick
[28-Oct-2010 09:44:27] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: yeah, that's the easiest way vs modifying things to stop them haxing the dashboard
[28-Oct-2010 09:44:50] <Simon4> there are probably code ways to override the template for the page to remove the "modify this" things based on user or group, but effort++
[28-Oct-2010 09:44:53] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: yeh, i dont want to screw so much with zope that zenoss support tells me to diaf 
[28-Oct-2010 09:45:00] <imeyer> Sam-I-Am: what do you mean by "if the underlying per-graph data points change"
[28-Oct-2010 09:45:15] <imeyer> i even looked at rrdtool info of the rrds themselves and nothing seems off about either
[28-Oct-2010 09:45:53] <Sam-I-Am> so, each graph has a bunch of data points... well, each device
[28-Oct-2010 09:45:58] <imeyer> right
[28-Oct-2010 09:46:29] <Sam-I-Am> depending on how you make a multigraph, if any of the underlying data points change, it might get confused
[28-Oct-2010 09:46:46] <imeyer> you mean the names of the data points?
[28-Oct-2010 09:47:19] <imeyer> cause of course the data points change.. ds[0] will be different after each step (in theory.. if you stop recording data then this is moot)
[28-Oct-2010 09:48:20] <imeyer> one sec, i'll show the output
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[28-Oct-2010 09:51:34] <Sam-I-Am> i know the value of ds0 will change
[28-Oct-2010 09:52:01] <Sam-I-Am> i'm thinking bigger changes... or differences between the rrd files in general
[28-Oct-2010 09:52:05] <nyeates> hi sam-i-am
[28-Oct-2010 09:52:19] <imeyer> okay, that's what i thought you mean, but i wasn't sure. 
[28-Oct-2010 09:52:20] <Sam-I-Am> yo
[28-Oct-2010 09:56:22] <imeyer> Sam-I-Am: http://skitch.com/imeyer/d7ix2/omg
[28-Oct-2010 09:56:32] <imeyer> pardon the awful hostname obfuscation
[28-Oct-2010 09:58:14] <Sam-I-Am> so 2 graphs -> 1 graph?
[28-Oct-2010 09:58:52] <imeyer> the first two graphs are what are supposed to be in the third graph
[28-Oct-2010 09:58:57] <imeyer> but only the ie servers show any data
[28-Oct-2010 09:59:28] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: i wonder if a similar script could also reset passwords
[28-Oct-2010 09:59:48] <Sam-I-Am> imeyer: sounds like a config problem on how the multigraph is grabbing the data from the non-working one
[28-Oct-2010 10:00:11] <Sam-I-Am> you could look at the main event.log to see if the renderserver is barfing
[28-Oct-2010 10:00:46] <rmatte> so for some reason I can't hit my dedicated server from work anymore, so I have to jump through my friend's server in colorado to get to it
[28-Oct-2010 10:00:49] * rmatte shakes fist
[28-Oct-2010 10:01:01] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[28-Oct-2010 10:01:08] <imeyer> Sam-I-Am: yah, looked at the log.. nothing
[28-Oct-2010 10:01:09] <imeyer> :/
[28-Oct-2010 10:01:09] <Sam-I-Am> did you check the pipes for dump trucks?
[28-Oct-2010 10:01:19] <Sam-I-Am> imeyer: how are you making this multigraph?
[28-Oct-2010 10:01:47] <rmatte> I can't hit anything in my server's subnet from here though, probably some carrier routing issue
[28-Oct-2010 10:02:40] <imeyer> Sam-I-Am: moment plz
[28-Oct-2010 10:03:10] <rmatte> actually hmmm, I can hit the odd address in that subnet
[28-Oct-2010 10:04:09] <imeyer> the first graph is a collection of the servers in my /Servers/ApiProxy/us-east organizer
[28-Oct-2010 10:04:21] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: whats the network?
[28-Oct-2010 10:04:37] <imeyer> second is collection from /servers/ApiProxy/eu-west, and the third is /Servers/ApiProxy (including suborgs is true)
[28-Oct-2010 10:04:43] <rmatte> well, my server's IP is 64.16.210.42
[28-Oct-2010 10:04:53] <rmatte> which apparently anyone outside of my work can hit
[28-Oct-2010 10:05:00] <rmatte> I'm wondering if they applied some filters here
[28-Oct-2010 10:05:36] <Sam-I-Am> its a solid route from 3 providers here
[28-Oct-2010 10:05:47] <rmatte> yeh, that's what I figured
[28-Oct-2010 10:05:50] <Sam-I-Am> someone at your office doesnt like you lol
[28-Oct-2010 10:05:58] <Sam-I-Am> never piss off the firewall admin 
[28-Oct-2010 10:06:00] <rmatte> I'll give it a couple of days, if it's not fixed by then I'm going to ask around
[28-Oct-2010 10:06:03] <imeyer> u got null routed
[28-Oct-2010 10:06:05] <imeyer> 
[28-Oct-2010 10:06:09] <Sam-I-Am> "hey whats this port 6667 deal... *snip*"
[28-Oct-2010 10:06:13] <rmatte> well, I know the firewall admin, lol
[28-Oct-2010 10:06:15] <Sam-I-Am> ping timeout for rmatte
[28-Oct-2010 10:06:25] <rmatte> actually they wouldn't see 6667
[28-Oct-2010 10:06:31] <rmatte> I ssh to my server then IRC from there
[28-Oct-2010 10:06:39] <rmatte> I just keep the irc client open in a screen session
[28-Oct-2010 10:06:44] <Sam-I-Am> thats how i do it too
[28-Oct-2010 10:06:54] <rmatte> It's more convenient
[28-Oct-2010 10:07:22] <Sam-I-Am> it helps my irc addiction... no lines go unread 
[28-Oct-2010 10:07:25] <imeyer> haha yeah
[28-Oct-2010 10:07:33] <nickanderson> does anyone have advice on complex alerting rules? I want to be able to flag a datapoint as "no sms" or as "sms" so that I dont have to keep adjusting alerting rules when there is a service that we dont want sent sms about
[28-Oct-2010 10:07:37] <imeyer> "man that Sam-I-Am guy has been online a long time!"
[28-Oct-2010 10:07:41] <Sam-I-Am> imeyer: yeah, i'm not sure... i'd need more config data to see whats going on
[28-Oct-2010 10:08:00] <Sam-I-Am> do all of those rrd files use the same consolidation?
[28-Oct-2010 10:08:06] <imeyer> yep
[28-Oct-2010 10:08:07] <Sam-I-Am> or same settings...
[28-Oct-2010 10:08:12] <imeyer> same step, same rra
[28-Oct-2010 10:09:27] <Sam-I-Am> for the same time range, do the points in the rrdfile look consistent?
[28-Oct-2010 10:09:59] <imeyer> i see what i expect to see
[28-Oct-2010 10:11:20] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: would user passwords be modifiable via a similar script?  i guess passwords are a property stored somewhere...
[28-Oct-2010 10:13:23] <rmatte> paswords for what?
[28-Oct-2010 10:13:28] <rmatte> password*
[28-Oct-2010 10:14:36] <Sam-I-Am> user passwords in zenoss
[28-Oct-2010 10:14:58] <Sam-I-Am> the higher ups are extremely paranoid about our "read only" account for customers to view graphs/reports
[28-Oct-2010 10:15:19] <Sam-I-Am> simply having read-only access to a limited set of things is apparently not restrictive enough
[28-Oct-2010 10:15:49] <Sam-I-Am> they want it so this user cannot change the dashboard, password, etc... and ideally, not even see a menubar on the left .... ugh.
[28-Oct-2010 10:16:29] <rmatte> yeh well, good luck with all of that lol
[28-Oct-2010 10:16:40] <rmatte> changing a user's password can be done via a simple zendmd script
[28-Oct-2010 10:16:56] <rmatte> app.acl_users.userManager.updateUserPassword('admin', 'newPassword')
[28-Oct-2010 10:16:56] <rmatte> commit()
[28-Oct-2010 10:17:01] <rmatte> those are the zendmd functions
[28-Oct-2010 10:17:15] <Sam-I-Am> how do you find those things?
[28-Oct-2010 10:17:22] <rmatte> experience
[28-Oct-2010 10:17:22] <rmatte> lol
[28-Oct-2010 10:17:27] <Sam-I-Am> great :/
[28-Oct-2010 10:17:37] <rmatte> generally I dig through the actual Zenoss code
[28-Oct-2010 10:17:46] <rmatte> and see what UI functions are using to do things
[28-Oct-2010 10:18:06] <Sam-I-Am> that works...
[28-Oct-2010 10:18:21] <Sam-I-Am> i tend to poke around the zope db... its often not useful
[28-Oct-2010 10:18:33] <rmatte> well, it can be
[28-Oct-2010 10:18:38] <rmatte> there is also tab completion in zendmd
[28-Oct-2010 10:18:53] <rmatte> dmd.<tab> and it'll show all possible objects under dmd
[28-Oct-2010 10:19:03] <rmatte> if you wanted it for a device...
[28-Oct-2010 10:19:11] <Sam-I-Am> oh, sweet
[28-Oct-2010 10:19:15] <rmatte> d = dmd.Devices.findDevice('devincename')
[28-Oct-2010 10:19:18] <rmatte> d.<tab>
[28-Oct-2010 10:19:23] <rmatte> that sort of thing
[28-Oct-2010 10:20:44] <xuru> yeah, very helpful
[28-Oct-2010 10:20:54] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: so you want a "dashboard only damnit" user view?
[28-Oct-2010 10:20:58] <rmatte> hmmm, I really doubt it was my work causing the connectivity issues, I can't hit my friend's server which is in the same datacenter
[28-Oct-2010 10:21:01] <xuru> would be nice if help() did something useful too 
[28-Oct-2010 10:21:56] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: well, i thought that would be the case, but then i figured out the showgraph portlet does not include buttons for zoom/range... so this read-only user would need access to actual reports.
[28-Oct-2010 10:22:10] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: *nod*
[28-Oct-2010 10:29:04] <twm1010> anyone monitoring palo alto firewalls?
[28-Oct-2010 10:29:19] * Simon4 ponders a cisco-cdp-map zenpack
[28-Oct-2010 10:31:19] <fragfutter> Simon4: you want to see the neighbours of a switch?
[28-Oct-2010 10:31:33] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: i wonder if cisco's moving to lldp
[28-Oct-2010 10:31:37] <Simon4> fragfutter: yeah, and build inter-switch relations based on it
[28-Oct-2010 10:33:19] <twm1010> that, would be damn cool
[28-Oct-2010 10:33:51] <fragfutter> i have a lldp modeller
[28-Oct-2010 10:33:57] <fragfutter> and it works with cisco
[28-Oct-2010 10:34:16] <fragfutter> oh,
[28-Oct-2010 10:34:21] <fragfutter> the core is also no cisco
[28-Oct-2010 10:34:46] <fragfutter> so i have an lldp modeller working at least with foundry and hp 
[28-Oct-2010 10:49:28] * Sam-I-Am drops a pin
[28-Oct-2010 10:55:16] * rmatte deploys the tumbleweeds
[28-Oct-2010 10:55:52] * twm1010 whistles
[28-Oct-2010 10:56:04] <twm1010> im in a classroom today
[28-Oct-2010 10:56:07] <fragfutter> clock is ringing out 12:00
[28-Oct-2010 10:56:20] <rmatte> classroom?
[28-Oct-2010 10:57:01] <twm1010> yeah, getting training on palo alto firewalls
[28-Oct-2010 10:57:30] <rmatte> cool
[28-Oct-2010 10:57:54] <rmatte> wish I got sent on training, I'm just expected to know stuff lol
[28-Oct-2010 10:58:05] <twm1010> its a first for me 
[28-Oct-2010 10:58:11] <rmatte> ah
[28-Oct-2010 10:58:12] <twm1010> some pretty slick shit here
[28-Oct-2010 10:58:37] <rmatte> meaning the firewalls?
[28-Oct-2010 10:58:40] <twm1010> heuristic based traffic classification, SSL decryption/reencryption, kinda scary
[28-Oct-2010 10:58:44] <rmatte> ah
[28-Oct-2010 10:58:55] * Sam-I-Am gets his tinfoil hat on
[28-Oct-2010 10:58:55] <rmatte> that would have to be some very weak SSL
[28-Oct-2010 10:59:13] <rmatte> or the device would have to have the certificate
[28-Oct-2010 10:59:48] <twm1010> i'll know in a few 
[28-Oct-2010 10:59:52] <rmatte> 
[28-Oct-2010 11:00:02] <rmatte> I'll be interested to know what the trick to that is
[28-Oct-2010 11:00:23] <rmatte> though technically the certificate gets sent in plaintext prior to the SSL communication
[28-Oct-2010 11:00:23] <mray> Zenoss 3.0.3 is Now Available: http://bit.ly/azCv2AÂ | Developers are here
[28-Oct-2010 11:00:27] <rmatte> so if you can intercept it
[28-Oct-2010 11:00:29] <mray> oops
[28-Oct-2010 11:00:34] <rmatte> hehe
[28-Oct-2010 11:00:42] <rmatte> they are?
[28-Oct-2010 11:00:47] * rmatte peers around nervously
[28-Oct-2010 11:00:56] <mray> they're sneaky
[28-Oct-2010 11:01:08] <mray> still waiting on bedwards
[28-Oct-2010 11:01:29] <fragfutter> mray: installed this morning, no issues and feels faster.
[28-Oct-2010 11:02:45] <lorenzocentrelli> CLEAR
[28-Oct-2010 11:03:01] <rmatte> I'm manually editing 25 interface templates across 15 Zenoss servers right now, boatloads of fun
[28-Oct-2010 11:05:11] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[28-Oct-2010 11:05:27] <twm1010> that sounds a tad tedious
[28-Oct-2010 11:05:54] <nyeates> rmatte, are each of those templates slightly diff?
[28-Oct-2010 11:05:58] <rmatte> well, I'm just changing a datasource from a counter to a derive in each one
[28-Oct-2010 11:06:10] <rmatte> and they are slightly different, yet
[28-Oct-2010 11:06:12] <rmatte> yeh*
[28-Oct-2010 11:06:22] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: you prefer derive,min=0 to counter?
[28-Oct-2010 11:06:58] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: the reason I'm switchin it from counter to derive is because it's the ifLastChange value for the interface
[28-Oct-2010 11:07:13] <mray> so it looks like bedwards is sitting in some dev meeting
[28-Oct-2010 11:07:14] <rmatte> and on some devices with firmware bugs, it decreases by 1 timetick every few seconds
[28-Oct-2010 11:07:24] <mray> but there are a number of devs in the channel
[28-Oct-2010 11:07:26] <rmatte> counter datasources get thrown off by that
[28-Oct-2010 11:07:28] <rmatte> but derive don't
[28-Oct-2010 11:07:56] <Sam-I-Am> oh, was this your issue from yesterday?
[28-Oct-2010 11:08:03] <rmatte> well, part of it
[28-Oct-2010 11:08:12] <rmatte> though the issues I was explaining at the end of the day yesterday it still present
[28-Oct-2010 11:08:16] <rmatte> the matter of the phantom values
[28-Oct-2010 11:08:20] <rmatte> I'm going to tackle that next
[28-Oct-2010 11:08:40] <rmatte> need to update the templates across all the servers first
[28-Oct-2010 11:08:53] <mray> so I'd like to introduce nyeates, aka Nick Yeates, the new Zenoss Community Manager
[28-Oct-2010 11:09:07] <Sam-I-Am> so thats where he went...
[28-Oct-2010 11:09:20] <themactech> aren't you the zenoss community manager?
[28-Oct-2010 11:09:23] <Sam-I-Am> and where are you going mray?
[28-Oct-2010 11:09:24] <mray> he's been with Zenoss for nearly 2 years, so he's got a good background with the product
[28-Oct-2010 11:09:33] <nyeates> yahoo! hope I can fill some big shoes guys
[28-Oct-2010 11:09:39] <LorenzoCentrelli> :-)
[28-Oct-2010 11:09:43] <mray> tomorrow will be my last day with Zenoss, I'm heading to Opscode to work on Chef
[28-Oct-2010 11:09:57] <Sam-I-Am> wow
[28-Oct-2010 11:10:01] <themactech> (curls in fetal position and weeps)
[28-Oct-2010 11:10:10] <twm1010> mray: it's been fun man! best of luck to you
[28-Oct-2010 11:10:31] <rmatte> mray: wow, best of luck
[28-Oct-2010 11:10:38] <Sam-I-Am> hope that works well for you
[28-Oct-2010 11:10:43] * Sam-I-Am is not terribly familiar with opscode
[28-Oct-2010 11:11:08] <twm1010> of course we expect you to still hang out in here and answer questions
[28-Oct-2010 11:11:09] <twm1010> or else.
[28-Oct-2010 11:11:10] <kobalt> mray: wow good luck in your new adventures
[28-Oct-2010 11:11:18] <mray> thanks everyone, I'll still be around
[28-Oct-2010 11:11:55] <kobalt> nyeates: welcome !
[28-Oct-2010 11:12:31] <nyeates> Ive been in zenoss support for about 2 years, so ill be making the transition to thinking of everything in core perseptive
[28-Oct-2010 11:12:37] <twm1010> nyeates: welcome !
[28-Oct-2010 11:12:38] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: you sure you know what you're getting into? 
[28-Oct-2010 11:12:52] <rmatte> I'm sure he'll do fine lol
[28-Oct-2010 11:13:41] <rmatte> better brush up on your svn and git if you haven't been using them much in your previous position
[28-Oct-2010 11:13:45] <aclark> mray: gratz! have fun
[28-Oct-2010 11:13:53] <nyeates> If i can survive tech support, im thinking I can survive in this role :-D
[28-Oct-2010 11:16:11] <kobalt> this is way worse then tech support
[28-Oct-2010 11:16:14] <kobalt> lol
[28-Oct-2010 11:16:16] <Jane_Curry> Matt - you can't go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[28-Oct-2010 11:16:35] <Jane_Curry> Nick - you have some shoes to fill!!!!!!!!
[28-Oct-2010 11:16:48] <themactech> well Nick, this is an open source software
[28-Oct-2010 11:17:06] <themactech> so you will get tons of people using a free product, then bitch they are not getting their money's worth
[28-Oct-2010 11:17:10] <themactech> lol
[28-Oct-2010 11:17:32] <twm1010> Yeah, I hope you're ready for some insanely obscure and detailed bug finding adventures
[28-Oct-2010 11:18:10] <xuru> mray: wow, wish you the best of luck
[28-Oct-2010 11:19:44] <mray> Yeah, it was a hard decision, but Nick's been getting the firehose of knowledge for nearly a week now
[28-Oct-2010 11:19:55] <xuru> theacolyte: hehe, lol
[28-Oct-2010 11:21:00] <xuru> why did they have to name it Chef?  or Puppet for that matter...  you can't search on those names
[28-Oct-2010 11:21:13] <rmatte> simple and catchy
[28-Oct-2010 11:21:15] <mray> xuru: yeah, they know #opschef is the tag
[28-Oct-2010 11:21:30] <xuru> 
[28-Oct-2010 11:21:41] <mray> I plan on working on the Zenoss cookbook next week
[28-Oct-2010 11:22:05] <nyeates> and they get to brand things cool like "recipes" and "cookbooks"
[28-Oct-2010 11:22:12] <xuru> mray: are you going to do it on-line?
[28-Oct-2010 11:22:22] <xuru> hehe
[28-Oct-2010 11:22:58] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: i'm guessing app.acl_users is 'hidden' as it doesnt show up in tab completion, but its there if i type it in manually...
[28-Oct-2010 11:23:28] <xuru> http://brainspl.at/articles/2009/01/15/chef-suck-on-my-chocolate-salty-balls
[28-Oct-2010 11:23:36] <nyeates> yeah i found that many things dont always show up for tab completion in DMD
[28-Oct-2010 11:24:50] <nyeates> not that that helps :-/ just ive seen the same thing
[28-Oct-2010 11:25:08] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[28-Oct-2010 11:26:28] <xuru> damn it, I guess I'm going to have to look into chef more...
[28-Oct-2010 11:27:33] <Parabola> good morning
[28-Oct-2010 11:27:37] <Parabola> so my vm restore failed 
[28-Oct-2010 11:27:39] <Parabola> still no zenoss
[28-Oct-2010 11:27:47] <Orv> mray: Good luck, man.
[28-Oct-2010 11:27:49] <xuru> mray: do they have plans to support windows (as sorry I am to ask)?
[28-Oct-2010 11:28:21] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: actually, it's below the dmd level
[28-Oct-2010 11:28:39] <xuru> mray: umm...  never mind:  http://wiki.opscode.com/display/chef/Installation+on+Windows
[28-Oct-2010 11:28:59] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: but yeh, you can't access it from the zope management interface
[28-Oct-2010 11:30:02] <kells> zendmd tab completion has a list of things it doesn't automatically auto-complete because they tend to be annoying rather than useful (eg Zope crud).  There's a list you can edit in ZenModel/zendmd.py if you're so inclined to get the extra goo.
[28-Oct-2010 11:30:26] <nyeates> thx kells
[28-Oct-2010 11:30:43] <Sam-I-Am> i'm guessing its possible to write a script that uses zendmd non-interactivly
[28-Oct-2010 11:30:48] <rocket> ignored_prefixes or ignored_names
[28-Oct-2010 11:30:58] <kells> As of 3.0.1, yes
[28-Oct-2010 11:31:03] <kells> zendmd --script=filename
[28-Oct-2010 11:31:25] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: docs/DOC-3217
[28-Oct-2010 11:31:36] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: that or use the first few lines of the script I gave you earlier
[28-Oct-2010 11:31:41] <Simon4> is just connecting to dmd
[28-Oct-2010 11:31:49] <rmatte> yeh, that's what I just pasted
[28-Oct-2010 11:31:50] <rmatte> 
[28-Oct-2010 11:32:05] <Simon4> damn you and your speedy pasting 
[28-Oct-2010 11:32:07] <Sam-I-Am> ah cool
[28-Oct-2010 11:32:07] <kells> Keep in mind that it's pretty much an exact duplicate of typing things on the command-line, so you can't have extra newlines in loops etc, and the last line needs a newline
[28-Oct-2010 11:32:11] <Sam-I-Am> thats what i was thinking...
[28-Oct-2010 11:32:23] <Sam-I-Am> thx
[28-Oct-2010 11:32:25] <kells> Also, there's another option to do a commit at the end: zendmd --script --commit
[28-Oct-2010 11:32:48] <rocket> I would recommend writing a script using the zenscriptbase libraries ..
[28-Oct-2010 11:35:33] <Jane_Curry> mray - does your cookbook have "How to make reports work in V3"???????
[28-Oct-2010 11:35:41] <Jane_Curry> This is still a black art to me
[28-Oct-2010 11:35:58] <twm1010> I haven't messed with reports yet in v3
[28-Oct-2010 11:36:23] <Jane_Curry> Some work - some don't
[28-Oct-2010 11:36:41] <rmatte> I didn't think the reports system really changed in v3
[28-Oct-2010 11:36:44] <twm1010> I heard mumblings yesterday about an add-on reporting product, might be pay-for only though
[28-Oct-2010 11:36:51] <Jane_Curry> My problem, like I suspect, many others, is that you build a ZenPack largely by copying "other stuff"
[28-Oct-2010 11:36:57] <mray> Jane_Curry: alas, I'll be at the mercy of Zenoss development
[28-Oct-2010 11:37:02] <themactech> I have a question regarding dmd scripting, first of all, the manufacturer database (including products) is in there correct?
[28-Oct-2010 11:37:24] <Jane_Curry> .. not necessarily knowing quite what everything does
[28-Oct-2010 11:37:48] <rmatte> Jane_Curry: yeh, that's pretty much the way I feel too
[28-Oct-2010 11:37:49] <Jane_Curry> I find the words in the 3.0 Dev Guide start 2 levels deeper than I can start
[28-Oct-2010 11:37:49] <Simon4> themactech: yes
[28-Oct-2010 11:38:04] <Jane_Curry> It needs a "Dummies guide to Zenpacks on v3"
[28-Oct-2010 11:38:16] <themactech> there is no low level docs on many of the things you need to know for custom compnonents, right now I'm using Jane's doc on BRIDGE zenpack to try and figure it out, btw thanks for that doc Jane
[28-Oct-2010 11:38:30] <rmatte> It needs sort of an "exploded view" as it were, where each piece of the ZenPack structure is explained
[28-Oct-2010 11:38:39] <rmatte> "This is the skins folder, blah blah blah"
[28-Oct-2010 11:38:44] <mray> twm1010: there is definitely going to be a new reporting product with the next release, it will be a commercial add-on, it's packaging is still TBD but it may be available as an add-on for Core
[28-Oct-2010 11:38:52] <themactech> ok, so if the manufacturer database is in the DMD, there should be a way to script creating new manufacturers and/or products, correct?
[28-Oct-2010 11:39:15] <rmatte> mray: If it's not an add-on for Core, is core going to just have the same old reports or will it have zero reporting?
[28-Oct-2010 11:39:18] <Jane_Curry> when you say an add-on for Core, is that a CHARGEABLE add-on??
[28-Oct-2010 11:39:41] <mray> rmatte: it's an add-on for Core and Enterprise, which will both still have the same reports
[28-Oct-2010 11:39:46] <Jane_Curry> zero reporting will kill core
[28-Oct-2010 11:39:51] <rmatte> yup
[28-Oct-2010 11:39:56] <mray> reporting isn't changing essentially
[28-Oct-2010 11:40:23] <themactech> I want to be able to do this from a modeler.  I want a modeler to get the model info from and SNMP OID, query the products database for that manufacturer, and if it doesn't get a hit on that key, creates it, so the product key database self-updates
[28-Oct-2010 11:40:48] <Jane_Curry> mray:  when you say an add-on for Core, is that a CHARGEABLE add-on??
[28-Oct-2010 11:40:58] <mray> Jane_Curry: that's the plan
[28-Oct-2010 11:41:11] <mray> so Core users can buy the reporting package without going to Enterprise
[28-Oct-2010 11:41:23] <rmatte> themactech: well, the only common thing for model info is an OID, you'd have to translate it with the appropriate Mibs.
[28-Oct-2010 11:41:27] <themactech> wasn't reporting included in core before?
[28-Oct-2010 11:41:28] <mray> it uses a 3rd party tool we can't package
[28-Oct-2010 11:41:40] <rmatte> themactech: model info being stored in plaintext is not a standard for devices
[28-Oct-2010 11:41:41] <mray> themactech: the existing reporting will continue to be there
[28-Oct-2010 11:41:46] <Jane_Curry> but if they have no budget then they don't get any new functionality (unless they write it)
[28-Oct-2010 11:42:07] <themactech> rmatte: that would not apply here, these modelers are manufacturer specific, and I know which oid give me a real model name
[28-Oct-2010 11:42:32] <mray> Jane_Curry: agreed, the existing reporting will be supported and have bugs fixed, but probably no new features
[28-Oct-2010 11:42:35] <rmatte> themactech: have a look at the CiscoMap plugin, it does something similar, but for serial number
[28-Oct-2010 11:42:37] <themactech> so after my OID pull from the modeler, I know its a MacBookPro Late 2010, and I know it will be Apple, since its the Apple modeler
[28-Oct-2010 11:42:49] <rmatte> themactech: then you'd just need to figure out the code to actually create the product
[28-Oct-2010 11:43:14] <twm1010> hrmm... this could work better though
[28-Oct-2010 11:43:25] <twm1010> the reporting is what most people are missing and are willing to pay for
[28-Oct-2010 11:43:38] <twm1010> as long as it's a fraction of the cost of enterprise, i think it would get a lot of interest
[28-Oct-2010 11:43:56] <rmatte> I doubt they will provide the reporting as a paid module for Core
[28-Oct-2010 11:43:57] <themactech> I just want to avoid having to log into 15 different zenoss servers and have to add the "MacBook Pro late 2010" to all the databases
[28-Oct-2010 11:43:59] <kells> themactech: Yes, but if you want to add things you can edit them in the UI, associate them with a zenpack and then plunk them into the objects.xml
[28-Oct-2010 11:44:00] <rmatte> It'll be all or nothing
[28-Oct-2010 11:44:17] <Jane_Curry> OK - so for dummies like me, we still nedd a "Dummies guide to reporting in Zenoss 3.0"
[28-Oct-2010 11:44:24] <rmatte> themactech: welcome to my pain
[28-Oct-2010 11:44:26] <rmatte> lol
[28-Oct-2010 11:44:31] <mray> twm1010: no commitment on prices yet, but what is a reasonable price in your mind?
[28-Oct-2010 11:45:10] <themactech> kells, : I understand, but say I deploy this zenpack today at 10 sites, and 2 months from now, Apple releases the "MacBook Pro early 2011", I don't want to have to update product databases at 10 sites
[28-Oct-2010 11:45:30] <kells> Jane_Curry: Reporting hasn't changed in Zenoss 3.0, at least, not AFAIK.  What's the specific pain point?
[28-Oct-2010 11:45:40] <themactech> and to do so every time Apple releases new hardware, or software for that matter, I want the software database to auto-update as well
[28-Oct-2010 11:45:55] <twm1010> mray: I'd have to think about that a little
[28-Oct-2010 11:46:48] <rmatte> themactech: I just update the product databases as necessary on all my servers, it's way too much work to do it any other way, and there's no foolproof way to do it for every possible type of device
[28-Oct-2010 11:46:49] <kells> IIRC, Chet dropped in some code (err... I *think*, and I think in 3.0.0) to allow that to happen automatically on a model.
[28-Oct-2010 11:46:57] <kells> If it doesn't then I'm thinking of a different ticket
[28-Oct-2010 11:47:45] <themactech> I find that I need to make custom modelers for most of the gear I have to keep an eye on, always a little thing missing.
[28-Oct-2010 11:48:03] <rocket> kells: there is a snmp manufacturer script to update the manufacturers
[28-Oct-2010 11:48:07] <themactech> Or some extra info the client wants us to display/track
[28-Oct-2010 11:48:29] <themactech> On big feature I want to add is warranty tracking
[28-Oct-2010 11:48:31] <twm1010> you're talking about mapping the OID to an actual product name?
[28-Oct-2010 11:48:41] <themactech> oid value
[28-Oct-2010 11:48:51] <Sam-I-Am> themactech: how do you monitor laptops since they come and go so often?
[28-Oct-2010 11:49:07] <rocket> well there is a database of manufacturers that map to the snmp address space they were assigned
[28-Oct-2010 11:49:21] <themactech> we mostly monitor servers and infrastructure
[28-Oct-2010 11:49:25] <rocket> most likely that is out of date
[28-Oct-2010 11:49:50] <themactech> I do have some workstations to monitor, I disabled some stuff so I don't get alerts when they get restarted
[28-Oct-2010 11:50:32] <twm1010> it would be nice if you could subscribe to something that kept that database up to date
[28-Oct-2010 11:51:09] <rocket> its supposed to auto populate with the information it finds
[28-Oct-2010 11:51:12] <Jane_Curry> kells: I have no success at all on V3 with my updated groupReporting ZenPack referenced here docs/DOC-5898
[28-Oct-2010 11:51:13] <themactech> in my case for my Apple modeler, since the real model designation you want doesn't reside on the machine anywhere, I have extended the net-snmp to query Apple's web site with the serial number and that is where I get the "MacBook Pro late 2010" model name, that is what they use in all their tech docs, and that info is nowhere in any of the system files or registry
[28-Oct-2010 11:51:50] <themactech> instead the system info on the mac will call your machine MacBookPro 8,1
[28-Oct-2010 11:51:56] <Sam-I-Am> cool
[28-Oct-2010 11:51:56] <themactech> which means nothing to most people
[28-Oct-2010 11:52:28] <themactech> So at my sites, they can look up parts on Apple GSX web site and match it with the info on the zenoss status page
[28-Oct-2010 11:52:32] <mray> twm1010: it's still under consideration for whether it'll be available for purchase with Core, we're just trying to gauge interest
[28-Oct-2010 11:52:58] <mray> I think it should, since there are a heck of a lot of Core users
[28-Oct-2010 11:53:09] <rocket> themactech: you can attach your modeller changes to a trac ticket for possible inclusion in the product and maintenance by zenoss
[28-Oct-2010 11:53:15] <mray> but I'm becoming one of them tomorrow
[28-Oct-2010 11:53:36] <Sam-I-Am> i'm interested in better reporting... although one particular possibly-not-related need is ability to limit reports to users and also give them specific permissions with them
[28-Oct-2010 11:53:55] <themactech> my only problem is my boss won't authorize me to post most stuff I'm working on since it's corporate intellectual property
[28-Oct-2010 11:54:21] <themactech> Just a good zenpack with good warranty tracking would really be a good add
[28-Oct-2010 11:54:38] <themactech> but I've asked some questions here before that I needed answers to and got no responses
[28-Oct-2010 11:54:44] <Sam-I-Am> i wonder how many people actually have enterprise in large installations
[28-Oct-2010 11:55:09] <Sam-I-Am> only reason i have enterprise is for ACLs... which... are not very configurable.
[28-Oct-2010 11:55:25] <themactech> The only features from enterprise I could see worth paying money for are remote collectors, and directory system hook up, both of which I have working on core
[28-Oct-2010 11:55:31] <Sam-I-Am> although going to distibuted collectors soon is another reason
[28-Oct-2010 11:55:55] <themactech> there are many docs in the forums on getting collectors working with core
[28-Oct-2010 11:56:00] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[28-Oct-2010 11:56:16] <kells> Jane_Curry: What's the specific issue?  eg traceback, doesn't show up, message in event.log
[28-Oct-2010 11:56:20] <Sam-I-Am> i'm waiting for a granular acl control
[28-Oct-2010 11:56:24] <themactech> we bid on a very large support contract recently, if we won that we would have used entreprise
[28-Oct-2010 11:56:26] <nyeates> some of the vmware stuff that we give in enterprise is decent...now with esxtop though, you get some of this free :-)
[28-Oct-2010 11:56:29] <themactech> just to ease deployment
[28-Oct-2010 11:57:05] <twm1010> the vmware polish in enterprise, especially with netapp, is very nice
[28-Oct-2010 11:57:10] <twm1010> and for some people worth the whole thing
[28-Oct-2010 11:57:11] <kells> Just to point out, there's a lot more in the enterprise VMware zenpack that is not possible in EsxTop
[28-Oct-2010 11:57:18] <Sam-I-Am> user A can read/write a group of devices, or one device... maybe read-only to one or more reports, perhaps based on a group.
[28-Oct-2010 11:57:48] <Sam-I-Am> twm1010: also doing vmware here soon... going to try the options in enterprise and ericenns zenpack
[28-Oct-2010 11:57:49] <rocket> themactech: distributed collector updates etc are a pain in core,  vmware support, cisco ucs, are all big reasons for enterprise ...
[28-Oct-2010 11:58:14] <twm1010> it'd be nice if core's windows monitoring setup was more like enterprise
[28-Oct-2010 11:58:17] <kells> For reporting, we're looking at a tool that has it's own authentication and authorization mechanisms, and specifically allows for multi-tenant scenarios (ie ISPs)
[28-Oct-2010 11:58:22] <rocket> themactech: also access to the support line and getting a support engineer to evaluate your issue and try and resolve them are also reasons
[28-Oct-2010 11:58:27] <themactech> We have no problems using core, our support contracts can budget it, just that core has done all we need so far
[28-Oct-2010 11:58:31] <twm1010> and i'm inconsistent in my implementations
[28-Oct-2010 11:58:31] <kells> There's nothing stopping people from creating dept etc
[28-Oct-2010 11:58:41] <Sam-I-Am> kells: thats kinda my situation... i'm an isp with multiple customers
[28-Oct-2010 11:58:41] <twm1010> sometimes i rip out the SNMP for windows and do all WMI using egor's packs
[28-Oct-2010 11:59:18] <themactech> I have asked before if we can use core, and purchase a support contract from Zenoss so we get face time with support staff, and was told no
[28-Oct-2010 11:59:33] <rocket> ooh almost forgot all of the windows zenpack items in enterprise ..
[28-Oct-2010 11:59:33] <themactech> kinda frustrating that you can't go with core and pay for support
[28-Oct-2010 11:59:43] <Jane_Curry> kells: the other problem I have is with the terminology in the Dev Guide, chap 14 about conversion tasks..
[28-Oct-2010 11:59:54] <Sam-I-Am> dur, i have a meeting to hit... see y'all in a bit.
[28-Oct-2010 11:59:58] <Sam-I-Am> thanks devs
[28-Oct-2010 12:00:01] <twm1010> well they used to have zenoss professional which was nicely in the middle
[28-Oct-2010 12:00:31] <themactech> if the documentation was very detailed I could get by, but there are many holes in there
[28-Oct-2010 12:00:50] <themactech> (insert conspiracy theories here)
[28-Oct-2010 12:00:56] <Jane_Curry> are my "things" reskinned, redesigned, .....
[28-Oct-2010 12:01:25] <nyeates> holes in docs are no conspiracy theory other than that we are a startup with limited resources....really i think they are better than many other softwares docs
[28-Oct-2010 12:01:34] <themactech> agreed
[28-Oct-2010 12:01:46] <kells> Jane_Curry: what section in chapter 14?
[28-Oct-2010 12:01:49] <davetoo> RTFC 
[28-Oct-2010 12:02:03] <themactech> just frustrating to know you could make something very useful but you are missing just one or two items to get there
[28-Oct-2010 12:02:15] <kells> The dev guide is really in need of an update 
[28-Oct-2010 12:02:45] <Jane_Curry> kells: How to answer the questions in 14.1.1 - what has changed?? - reskinned, redesigned..
[28-Oct-2010 12:03:02] <davetoo> I may at some point have some UML diagrams to contribute
[28-Oct-2010 12:03:11] <kells> 14.1.1?
[28-Oct-2010 12:03:28] <rocket> themactech: its hard to build a support dept though without the steady dollars enterprise brings in ( However I am not the one making any decision here so I am not aware of top level managements reasons)
[28-Oct-2010 12:03:32] <kells> Uhh... I'm not seeing a 14.1.1 here docs/DOC-9251
[28-Oct-2010 12:04:07] <themactech> Like I said, we wanted to PAY for zenoss support but were told we could not.
[28-Oct-2010 12:04:22] <themactech> unless we get on enterprise
[28-Oct-2010 12:04:31] <kells> themactech: if you ask a question in the dev forum, there's a chance it can be answered there
[28-Oct-2010 12:04:59] <davetoo> themactech: there are also partner consultant firms that may be able to help
[28-Oct-2010 12:05:01] <themactech> I do ask, sometimes I get the answer, sometimes I get hints that get me there, sometimes I get dead air
[28-Oct-2010 12:05:09] <themactech> again
[28-Oct-2010 12:05:10] <rocket> themactech: considering devs are available in irc for core I think zenoss is being generous here
[28-Oct-2010 12:05:14] <themactech> the forum is better than most
[28-Oct-2010 12:05:23] <Jane_Curry> kells: Interseting!  I just followed the link on the main Documentation page which downloaded from SourceForge
[28-Oct-2010 12:05:23] <themactech> agreed
[28-Oct-2010 12:05:29] <kells> Is there anything that's bugging you atm?
[28-Oct-2010 12:06:01] <davetoo> I just got here... what's the topic of this mythical 14.1.1 
[28-Oct-2010 12:06:01] <themactech> right now I am trying to figure out how to do custom components, and the best docs I've found so far are from Jane...
[28-Oct-2010 12:06:16] <Jane_Curry> http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/project/zenoss/Documentation/zenoss-3.0.x-docs/zendocs-3.0.2/Zenoss_Developers_Guide_08-102010-3.0-v01.pdf
[28-Oct-2010 12:06:20] <themactech> I need to make a fiber channel interface template
[28-Oct-2010 12:06:30] <kells> Ooh! Cool
[28-Oct-2010 12:06:33] <rocket> themactech: considering the age of the company our support department is very small .. its not like an ibm with hundreds of support people on staff at any given time
[28-Oct-2010 12:06:35] <themactech> a lot of the gear I need to track has fiber channel
[28-Oct-2010 12:07:18] <rmatte> themactech: If the interface data actually all has the same SNMP index value, pretty easy to do
[28-Oct-2010 12:07:18] <kells> Gah!  That's hugely different in the PDF vs HTML
[28-Oct-2010 12:07:22] <rocket> themactech: I will mention it to the head of support however
[28-Oct-2010 12:07:33] <rmatte> when I tried with our fiber switch it didn't though
[28-Oct-2010 12:07:42] <Jane_Curry> kells: Gah it is - but which is better???
[28-Oct-2010 12:07:55] <nyeates> yeah our support staff is small....6 ppl
[28-Oct-2010 12:08:01] <nyeates> we have to focus
[28-Oct-2010 12:08:09] <themactech> I am very grateful that you keep an open source version available.  I just find that some things are very critical when deploying Zenoss and they seem to be the ones with less documentation
[28-Oct-2010 12:08:51] <kells> What specifically is the issue with custom components?
[28-Oct-2010 12:09:04] <themactech> I think anyone using zenoss in any serious fashion will need to customize it at some point, this is where you need to figure most of the stuff out yourself or with piece of information here and there
[28-Oct-2010 12:09:25] <themactech> I want to be able to add custom components to most of my models
[28-Oct-2010 12:09:36] <kells> Jane_Curry: Use the PDF
[28-Oct-2010 12:09:36] <themactech> for instance, I monitoring Promise Vtraks
[28-Oct-2010 12:10:08] <rocket> themactech: you may want to contact our professional services team .. I am not sure what their answer is at this time but they may be able to assist if they are available
[28-Oct-2010 12:10:12] <themactech> I need to list in different tabs in the status page: power supplys, controllers, fans, drives, lun's, storage pools
[28-Oct-2010 12:10:22] <kells> Ah, you're using 2.5
[28-Oct-2010 12:10:30] <themactech> no, 3.0.2
[28-Oct-2010 12:10:39] <themactech> just upped to 3.0.3 on my lab machine
[28-Oct-2010 12:10:54] <themactech> i realize tab is wrong terminology in 3.0.3
[28-Oct-2010 12:11:10] <Jane_Curry> kells: thanks - I do use the PDF anyway
[28-Oct-2010 12:11:12] <kells> Let's go back a bit
[28-Oct-2010 12:11:24] <themactech> it's the components tab in 3.0.3
[28-Oct-2010 12:11:29] <Jane_Curry> my probelm is documented at thread/14529?tstart=0
[28-Oct-2010 12:11:37] <kells> So you want to roder the components that appear when you click on the initial page, right?
[28-Oct-2010 12:11:49] <themactech> I need to be able to list anything I want here
[28-Oct-2010 12:11:55] <mray> rocket: as far as Professional Services, they're overbooked so Core people have been getting turned down
[28-Oct-2010 12:11:56] <kells> Ah, that's easy
[28-Oct-2010 12:12:16] <kells> The component needs to inheriet from a specific class
[28-Oct-2010 12:12:16] <themactech> at the device end, I can make it jump through hoops thanks to net-snmp being insanely versatile
[28-Oct-2010 12:12:19] <kells> Looking it up
[28-Oct-2010 12:12:36] <mray> rocket: so we should refer folks to partners and Core consultants, like Jane_Curry
[28-Oct-2010 12:12:38] <themactech> I can get any info I need to zenoss, I just can't get zenoss to display it the way I need yet
[28-Oct-2010 12:12:47] <kells> HWComponent works
[28-Oct-2010 12:12:56] <Parabola> Hmm
[28-Oct-2010 12:12:57] <rocket> mray: thats another great idea as well
[28-Oct-2010 12:12:58] <davetoo> mray: and Coyote Creek 
[28-Oct-2010 12:13:00] <Parabola> Hey mray:
[28-Oct-2010 12:13:10] <kells> There's a hook inside the code that automagically adds it to the display once it finds the component on the system.
[28-Oct-2010 12:13:18] <themactech> I understand this is probably covered in an advanced zenoss class, but I still think this should be well covered in the docs as I think it is the basics
[28-Oct-2010 12:13:22] <mray> rocket: davetoo works at Coyote Creek, a Zenoss partner
[28-Oct-2010 12:13:41] <Parabola> mray: So i still have my 303 upgrade that hosed up ssh and killed the upgrade.. while im restoring the VM, i still have the broken one, would anyone from zenoss care to take a look to see if they can track it down?
[28-Oct-2010 12:14:00] <Parabola> if so, i can start it up and provide ssh
[28-Oct-2010 12:14:21] <kells> Jane_Curry:  Take a look in the event.log file and dump in the traceback into that message
[28-Oct-2010 12:14:56] <kells> themactech: Starting in 3.0, we've switched to doing graphical displays in JavaScript
[28-Oct-2010 12:15:23] <themactech> well, I'll be off to read more Jane's Zenpack Creation Guide and try and figure this out
[28-Oct-2010 12:15:26] <kells> The upside is that things can be insanely cool, but the downside is that it's a larger learning curve (a lot in some cases)
[28-Oct-2010 12:16:00] <davetoo> "doing graphical displays"?
[28-Oct-2010 12:16:14] <mray> Parabola: start up a forum thread and I'll get QA and devs to respond
[28-Oct-2010 12:16:24] <rocket> well you cant just copy the page templates anymore ..
[28-Oct-2010 12:16:26] <cgibbons> whoops
[28-Oct-2010 12:16:27] <mray> they're looking for 3.0.3 issues right now
[28-Oct-2010 12:16:39] <kells> The component screens which list out the details for a component in the 'overview' section
[28-Oct-2010 12:16:40] <davetoo> oh
[28-Oct-2010 12:16:50] <Jane_Curry> "is that it's a larger learning curve (a lot in some cases)" - hence the need for a Dummies Guide
[28-Oct-2010 12:16:58] <kells> As well as adding in extra items to view in the 'Display' section
[28-Oct-2010 12:17:40] <themactech> Are there really folks who use zenoss core that never want to customize this?
[28-Oct-2010 12:17:44] <kells> That Dummies Guide would be nice.
[28-Oct-2010 12:17:56] <themactech> it would seem that anyone will run into this, sooner than later
[28-Oct-2010 12:18:00] <Jane_Curry> I'm not just asking someone else to do the work here....
[28-Oct-2010 12:18:30] <Parabola> cgibbons
[28-Oct-2010 12:18:31] <kells> It's completely fair, and something that our new community manager probably needs to hear (hint, hint)
[28-Oct-2010 12:18:32] <davetoo> FWIW... I want to ask about the JSON API if we get some time here today
[28-Oct-2010 12:18:42] <Jane_Curry> ... but I am saying I need some help, preferably from less terse help in the Dev Guide,
[28-Oct-2010 12:18:52] <kells> Actually, I've got to bail now
[28-Oct-2010 12:19:30] <Jane_Curry> alternatively as a combined work with someone (Kells???) who actually knows a lot more about how this stuff works
[28-Oct-2010 12:19:42] <Jane_Curry> Did that scare you off???????
[28-Oct-2010 12:19:51] <Jane_Curry> Thanks for the input
[28-Oct-2010 12:20:18] <kells> Heh.  No, I've got a screaming 3 year old.    Things become a lot less scary after a preemie 
[28-Oct-2010 12:21:14] <kells> What you're saying is totally valid, but it needs to get some more serious time to dedicate into it than what I have atm. 
[28-Oct-2010 12:21:37] <Jane_Curry> Other suggestions???  Nick???
[28-Oct-2010 12:21:38] <kells> Again, I'm sure that nyeates would love to hear this feedback, as the developer community is VERY important.
[28-Oct-2010 12:22:35] <themactech> zenoss still hosts the community day every 6 months right?
[28-Oct-2010 12:22:47] <kells> At this point, I sincerely believe that it would be very frustrating to do outside of Zenoss, so it would be something that we should do (there are a lot of things that we should do too, but we have to prioritize things. Sigh)
[28-Oct-2010 12:22:57] <nyeates> lemme catch up in reading
[28-Oct-2010 12:22:59] <kells> Gotta go.  See ya!
[28-Oct-2010 12:23:03] <mray> themactech: actually the next one is in 2 weeks at LISA
[28-Oct-2010 12:23:04] <Jane_Curry> different topic.....
[28-Oct-2010 12:23:14] <davetoo> crap
[28-Oct-2010 12:23:22] <davetoo> I need to see if I have any budget for LISA 
[28-Oct-2010 12:23:32] <mray> themactech: LISA, SCALE, TX LinuxFest, Ohio Linuxfest
[28-Oct-2010 12:23:43] <Jane_Curry> I did an upgrade from 2.5.1 to 2.5.2 yesterday and the VMware ESXi ZenPack broke
[28-Oct-2010 12:23:58] <davetoo> given that it's here in my area
[28-Oct-2010 12:24:11] <themactech> its getting difficult for me to justify to my boss attending it if it will be a basic how-to install, would it be possible in the future to possibly offer a second day with advanced training, at a fee of course
[28-Oct-2010 12:24:17] <mray> davetoo: there are going to be a lot of Zenoss activities at LISA.
[28-Oct-2010 12:24:28] <rocket> 2.5.1 to 2.5.2 is likely to break lots of things .. should not be running 2.5.1 unless you want your zodb to have issues
[28-Oct-2010 12:24:38] <rocket> the problem is 2.5.1 of course
[28-Oct-2010 12:24:48] <Jane_Curry> It's perf template runs a python script that starts #!/usr/bin/env python
[28-Oct-2010 12:25:00] <mray> davetoo: DevOpsDay, OpsCamp, Zenoss BOF, Zenoss talk by ke4qqq, 2 days of the Zenoss booth and a whole day of free training
[28-Oct-2010 12:25:11] <Jane_Curry> and the problem was that it couldn't find the right Python
[28-Oct-2010 12:25:33] <Jane_Curry> I fixed it by changing this first line to include the full path to the Zenoss Python
[28-Oct-2010 12:25:50] <Jane_Curry> but that shouldn't be the job of the script writer....
[28-Oct-2010 12:26:12] <Jane_Curry> .. if it is run from a Zenoss template, the Zenoss env should be in place automatically
[28-Oct-2010 12:26:17] <davetoo> mray: I may be working   not sure
[28-Oct-2010 12:27:24] <Jane_Curry> agree shouldn't be on 2.5.1 - that's why we upgraded - but I hadn't seen breakage before by doing that
[28-Oct-2010 12:30:22] <davetoo> so...
[28-Oct-2010 12:30:24] <davetoo> JSON API?
[28-Oct-2010 12:30:43] <davetoo> It just sort of *appeared* in my perception.  I'm sure I missed something.
[28-Oct-2010 12:30:57] <davetoo> I thought REST was the focus?
[28-Oct-2010 12:31:20] <mray> davetoo: community/documentation/official_documentation/api
[28-Oct-2010 12:31:21] <Jane_Curry> "
[28-Oct-2010 12:31:22] <Jane_Curry> [17:21] <kells> What you're saying is totally valid, but it needs to get some more serious time to dedicate into it than what I have atm. 
[28-Oct-2010 12:31:24] <Jane_Curry> [17:21] <Jane_Curry> Other suggestions???  Nick???
[28-Oct-2010 12:31:25] <Jane_Curry> [17:21] <kells> Again, I'm sure that nyeates would love to hear this feedback, as the developer community is VERY important.
[28-Oct-2010 12:31:46] <rocket> community/documentation/official_documentation/api    <- beginning json api docs
[28-Oct-2010 12:31:46] <davetoo> mray: I know, that's where I heard of it first 
[28-Oct-2010 12:32:27] <Jane_Curry> "It just sort of *appeared" in my perception" - ditto 
[28-Oct-2010 12:32:30] <davetoo> so I have a number of zendmd-based tools.
[28-Oct-2010 12:32:44] <mray> yeah, it was listed in the release notes for 3.0 and dev wasn't ready to ship it
[28-Oct-2010 12:32:59] <mray> so it came out kinda late
[28-Oct-2010 12:33:17] <davetoo> I'm hoping that there will be nothing new in that API layer that ... is in the wrong layer, such that I can't do it via zendmd
[28-Oct-2010 12:33:34] <davetoo> and .. what about XMLRPC?
[28-Oct-2010 12:33:39] <nyeates> Jane_Curry: what was this quote above in reference to? subpar dev docs?
[28-Oct-2010 12:34:06] <mray> davetoo: JSON is ostensibly easier than XML-RPC and that's the API that our UI uses
[28-Oct-2010 12:34:13] <Jane_Curry> Sorry - if it was the 3 lines 2 mins back, I pasted the wrong stuff
[28-Oct-2010 12:34:26] <mray> davetoo: so that's why it's the "official" API
[28-Oct-2010 12:34:34] <ericenns> Is there a plan to fix the ip service events error
[28-Oct-2010 12:34:36] <davetoo> ok,
[28-Oct-2010 12:34:46] <Jane_Curry> The main thread was that we need a dummies guide to writing Zenpacks in V3 and I would definitely need help
[28-Oct-2010 12:35:07] <davetoo> but I'm expecting that the proper MVC/layer separation will be maintained such that if I want to use zendmd I can?
[28-Oct-2010 12:35:25] <mray> davetoo: and if there's something missing in that API, please open a ticket.  Dev just doc'd usecases around device and event management, there's bound to be missing stuff
[28-Oct-2010 12:35:36] <mray> davetoo: yes
[28-Oct-2010 12:36:01] <davetoo> cool, thanks.
[28-Oct-2010 12:36:22] <ericenns> ie there is an smtp ip service and monitoring is set to false but I keep getting events that it is down
[28-Oct-2010 12:36:39] <nyeates> Jane: we'll take dev guides into acct....let me kniw if you go down that road
[28-Oct-2010 12:37:10] <Jane_Curry> nyeates: sorry - don't understand the comment....
[28-Oct-2010 12:37:25] <ke4qqq> davetoo: LISA is the best training money you'll spend.....and plenty of Zenoss stuff for free is available even if you just get a 'free' expo pass
[28-Oct-2010 12:37:38] <Jane_Curry> I was kind-of offering to tackle the dummies guide but I need help - probably from inside Zenoss
[28-Oct-2010 12:38:24] <rocket> ericenns: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7334
[28-Oct-2010 12:38:27] <davetoo> ke4qqq: I've got four LISA t-shirts already   But I have a new gig and if the contract is signed, I won't have the time.
[28-Oct-2010 12:38:30] <Jane_Curry> ericenns: Have you recycled zenstatus since any port config changes?
[28-Oct-2010 12:38:34] <rocket> ericenns: restart zenstatus
[28-Oct-2010 12:38:44] <Jane_Curry> ericenns: and have you remodeled the affected devices?
[28-Oct-2010 12:38:53] <rocket> ericenns: I have logged a defect for it .. but havent had time to fix the daemon so it reloads the config properly
[28-Oct-2010 12:39:18] <nyeates> Jane: I was not uderstanding either. I can try to connect you with some resources along the way.
[28-Oct-2010 12:39:18] <ericenns> rocket: thanks
[28-Oct-2010 12:39:58] <Jane_Curry> nyeates: that would be very helpful - won't be for a week or 2 though
[28-Oct-2010 12:40:08] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[28-Oct-2010 12:40:22] <davetoo> nyeates: btw, I'm the Dave from Netapp you met when we were there doing training 
[28-Oct-2010 12:40:28] <davetoo> (No longer at Netapp)
[28-Oct-2010 12:41:40] <nyeates> Hi Dave!
[28-Oct-2010 12:41:46] <nyeates> good to hear from you again?
[28-Oct-2010 12:41:52] <davetoo> 
[28-Oct-2010 12:42:02] <ke4qqq> davetoo: understandable
[28-Oct-2010 12:42:10] <nyeates> heh
[28-Oct-2010 12:42:30] <nyeates> where are u now dave? if you care to share...
[28-Oct-2010 12:42:55] <davetoo> working with one of your partner consultant firms, Coyote Creek Consulting
[28-Oct-2010 12:43:43] <davetoo> Right now somebody's asking me about crazy HA stuff, in Core
[28-Oct-2010 12:44:37] <nyeates> great to learn about Coyote Creek, we will def keep you guys in mind
[28-Oct-2010 12:44:40] <nyeates> drbd?
[28-Oct-2010 12:44:47] <davetoo> that's one idea,
[28-Oct-2010 12:45:02] <davetoo> but.. he has three or four sites,
[28-Oct-2010 12:45:18] <nyeates> latency plays a factor eh
[28-Oct-2010 12:45:19] <davetoo> and wants cross-site replication for the hub
[28-Oct-2010 12:45:44] <davetoo> thinking one remote collector cluster/pair at each site,
[28-Oct-2010 12:45:55] <davetoo> and .. three hub/db servers,
[28-Oct-2010 12:45:59] <davetoo> not sure how to do the latter yet.
[28-Oct-2010 12:46:26] <davetoo> I could plug RelStorage underneath ZEO but Ian thinks that would be slow as whale snot
[28-Oct-2010 12:48:10] <davetoo> curious: are any of the existing collector daemons going to be "back-ported" to the ZenCollector architecture?
[28-Oct-2010 12:48:23] <nyeates> cool....best of luck with relstorage stuff as of now - will work better come next major rel
[28-Oct-2010 12:48:26] <davetoo> All I see right now is zenprocess
[28-Oct-2010 12:50:15] <nyeates> davetoo: I am not sure. What do you mean by ZenCollector arch?
[28-Oct-2010 12:50:47] <davetoo> New base classes for writing collectors.
[28-Oct-2010 12:51:18] <rocket> davetoo: yes
[28-Oct-2010 12:51:51] <rocket> davetoo: its a work in progress though .. it will take a few releases to cover them all
[28-Oct-2010 12:53:00] <davetoo> What intrigues me is .. the idea of, rather than waiting for the daemon to poll for ping issues,
[28-Oct-2010 12:53:12] <davetoo> pushing them out as they occur
[28-Oct-2010 12:53:34] <davetoo> My concern is in ways to avoid event/alert floods
[28-Oct-2010 12:55:17] <rocket> they are all supposed to do that .. but zenping is tentatively being slated for the next release
[28-Oct-2010 12:55:49] <rocket> they are all supposed to be notified of ping issues
[28-Oct-2010 12:57:24] <davetoo> man, Twisted is Callback Jungle, isn't it? 
[28-Oct-2010 12:59:07] <rocket> it is ..
[28-Oct-2010 12:59:09] <mray> I think that was the old name of the library
[28-Oct-2010 12:59:10] <rocket> bbl
[28-Oct-2010 12:59:21] <davetoo> Callback City? 
[28-Oct-2010 13:14:58] <davetoo> oh,
[28-Oct-2010 13:15:07] <davetoo> I need help with something embarassingly basic
[28-Oct-2010 13:15:42] <davetoo> how to run a nagios plugin on a remote device, via SSH
[28-Oct-2010 13:17:42] <davetoo> the example somebody sent to me had the strings "over SSH" appended to the command
[28-Oct-2010 13:19:15] <xuru> davetoo: do you know how to make a command template?
[28-Oct-2010 13:19:20] <xuru> I think that is the way to do it
[28-Oct-2010 13:20:06] <davetoo> yeah, I just wondered if "over SSH" was some magic keyword that I didn't understand
[28-Oct-2010 13:20:27] <ericenns> davetoo: it automagically does it over ssh
[28-Oct-2010 13:20:45] <davetoo> if you choose "ssh" as the command protocol. Right?
[28-Oct-2010 13:20:50] <ericenns> yes correcty
[28-Oct-2010 13:21:18] <xuru> there is a check box for ssh
[28-Oct-2010 13:24:06] <xuru> is there any way to tell it to hurry up and graph already?  I want to know if the RPN in my graph point is correct...
[28-Oct-2010 13:26:23] <ericenns> you can do zencommand run --now device ip i believe or something like that and see the results of a poll
[28-Oct-2010 13:26:45] <ericenns> wait it is "zencommand run -v10 ip"
[28-Oct-2010 13:26:55] <xuru> hmm... I can try that
[28-Oct-2010 13:28:32] <ericenns> you should see it storing rrd values in the output
[28-Oct-2010 13:29:13] <xuru> yeah, sweet, ty
[28-Oct-2010 13:29:21] <ericenns> np
[28-Oct-2010 13:31:25] <xuru> hey, quick question...  if I created a template though the UI, and then exported it as a zenpack, is that something I could give away to other people, or is it strictly for your own use?
[28-Oct-2010 13:40:59] <ericenns> xuru: you can give that away to other people
[28-Oct-2010 13:41:45] <xuru> interesting
[28-Oct-2010 13:41:59] <davetoo> but, be careful what you wish for 
[28-Oct-2010 13:42:01] <ericenns> just if you are using an added command be sure to bunfle that
[28-Oct-2010 13:42:08] <xuru> so I could use that as a starting place for a comunity zenpack
[28-Oct-2010 13:42:24] <ericenns> for sure
[28-Oct-2010 13:42:28] <xuru> ericenns: cool
[28-Oct-2010 13:46:17] <ericenns> anyone here monitoring a cisco isr vpn router
[28-Oct-2010 13:49:36] <xuru> sorry, not I
[28-Oct-2010 13:50:23] <ericenns> ok
[28-Oct-2010 13:57:59] <xuru> hmm... setting the order of the result fields in a custom view doesn't work
[28-Oct-2010 14:11:09] <Parabola> Alright i got 303 installed on this vm
[28-Oct-2010 14:17:35] <Parabola> LOL
[28-Oct-2010 14:17:46] <Parabola> alright, so i restored the vm, and i did get 303 install, and its working
[28-Oct-2010 14:17:50] <Parabola> but it broke ssh again
[28-Oct-2010 14:17:54] <cgibbons> hmmm
[28-Oct-2010 14:17:58] <cgibbons> i think i missed the dev session
[28-Oct-2010 14:18:56] <Parabola> alright this is pissing me off
[28-Oct-2010 14:19:06] <Parabola> a zenoss upgrade breaks ssh?
[28-Oct-2010 14:19:53] <xuru> how does it break it?
[28-Oct-2010 14:20:13] <Parabola> what do you mean
[28-Oct-2010 14:20:20] <Parabola> works on the server, you install 303 from stack
[28-Oct-2010 14:20:30] <Parabola> then it doenst work, restarting it or the server, or removing ssh and reinstalling doesnt fix
[28-Oct-2010 14:20:39] <Parabola> netstat -l says its listening
[28-Oct-2010 14:20:59] <xuru> so you can't ssh into the vm anymore is what you're saying?
[28-Oct-2010 14:21:02] <Sam-I-Am> firewall problem?
[28-Oct-2010 14:21:05] <Parabola> how is that confusing
[28-Oct-2010 14:21:12] <Parabola> Sam-I-Am yes, the zenoss upgrade hacked the firewall
[28-Oct-2010 14:21:25] <Parabola> im telling you i've restored the snapshot twice, a total of 3 installs now
[28-Oct-2010 14:21:27] <Parabola> its fucking up ssh
[28-Oct-2010 14:21:34] <Parabola> restore snapshot, ssh works
[28-Oct-2010 14:21:40] <Parabola> reinstall the stack install, and its broke
[28-Oct-2010 14:22:09] <xuru> are you using an iptables firewall?
[28-Oct-2010 14:22:39] <Parabola> dude you arent listening
[28-Oct-2010 14:22:43] <Parabola> its not a firewall
[28-Oct-2010 14:23:14] <xuru> <Parabola> Sam-I-Am yes, the zenoss upgrade hacked the firewall
[28-Oct-2010 14:24:43] <Parabola> sarcasm not around on your planet i assume
[28-Oct-2010 14:24:54] <Sam-I-Am> irc needs more sarcasm tags
[28-Oct-2010 14:25:00] <Parabola> theres no firewall setup on this vm
[28-Oct-2010 14:25:07] <Parabola> if i restore the vm to 20min ago before the zenoss upgrade
[28-Oct-2010 14:25:08] <Parabola> SSH WORKS
[28-Oct-2010 14:25:17] <Parabola> 3 for 3 on breaking ssh
[28-Oct-2010 14:25:36] <xuru> damn, just trying to help....   yea for /ignore
[28-Oct-2010 14:25:45] <Parabola> you act like i'd be blaming zenoss if i were making firewall changes at the same time
[28-Oct-2010 14:27:28] <Sam-I-Am> how exactly does ssh break? can't log in, can't get to it on port 22, hanging before prompt, ?
[28-Oct-2010 14:29:58] <Parabola> refuses connection
[28-Oct-2010 14:30:10] <Parabola> server says its listening on 22 or so netstat -l says
[28-Oct-2010 14:30:35] <Parabola> segfaults in ssh in syslog now
[28-Oct-2010 14:31:20] <LorenzoCentrelli> can you ssh to localhost from the console ?
[28-Oct-2010 14:31:49] <LorenzoCentrelli> check /etc/hosts.allow possibly ?  If you get ths  ssh_exchange-blah-blah , thats TCPWrappers or /etc/hosts.allow
[28-Oct-2010 14:31:58] <Sam-I-Am> LorenzoCentrelli: thats not going to cause a segfault
[28-Oct-2010 14:32:03] <Parabola> hm
[28-Oct-2010 14:32:07] <Sam-I-Am> segfaults are usually hardware problems
[28-Oct-2010 14:32:09] <Parabola> cannot ssh into localhost
[28-Oct-2010 14:32:25] <Sam-I-Am> or a library issue
[28-Oct-2010 14:32:28] <Parabola> ssh: /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8: no version information availible required by ssh_exchange_identification
[28-Oct-2010 14:32:41] <Parabola> im getting this error with non ssh related things too
[28-Oct-2010 14:32:59] <LorenzoCentrelli> yeah, sounds like TCPWrapers
[28-Oct-2010 14:34:06] <rmatte> I've seen that particular ssh error, but only when I try to use the ssh client as the zenoss user
[28-Oct-2010 14:34:15] <rmatte> since it has different library paths but tries to use the system ssh
[28-Oct-2010 14:34:27] <Parabola> im logged in as root
[28-Oct-2010 14:35:36] <rmatte> zenoss@lab01:~$ ssh -l rmatte lab01.novanoc.com
[28-Oct-2010 14:35:37] <rmatte> ssh: /usr/local/zenoss/common/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8: no version information available (required by ssh)
[28-Oct-2010 14:35:37] <rmatte> Segmentation fault
[28-Oct-2010 14:35:45] <rmatte> root@lab01:/home/rmatte# ssh -l rmatte lab01.novanoc.com
[28-Oct-2010 14:35:45] <rmatte> The authenticity of host 'lab01.novanoc.com (30.30.241.100)' can't be established.
[28-Oct-2010 14:35:45] <rmatte> RSA key fingerprint is cb:a2:ef:9d:b5:30:35:13:69:f3:59:7e:e2:7d:0f:c5.
[28-Oct-2010 14:35:45] <rmatte> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)
[28-Oct-2010 14:35:47] <rmatte> hmmm
[28-Oct-2010 14:36:00] <rmatte> obviously a library issue, possibly a library path issue for root
[28-Oct-2010 14:36:29] <rmatte> I'm checking the env variables to see what's different between the 2 users...
[28-Oct-2010 14:36:54] <Parabola> yeah i dont actually get the segfault echoed out to me like that
[28-Oct-2010 14:37:00] <Parabola> just the version info line
[28-Oct-2010 14:37:08] <Parabola> the segfault stuff is in the syslog
[28-Oct-2010 14:37:53] <rmatte> yeh, but it's the same segfault basically from the sounds of it
[28-Oct-2010 14:38:02] <rmatte> so if I can figure out what's causing it that could be the answer
[28-Oct-2010 14:38:56] <rmatte> looks like it could be the LD_LIBRARY_PATH env variable
[28-Oct-2010 14:38:59] <Parabola> id still like to know how a zenoss stack installer breaks it
[28-Oct-2010 14:39:05] <Parabola> that makes no sense
[28-Oct-2010 14:39:17] <rmatte> yeh, I'd like to know that too, but first we need to identify where the issue is
[28-Oct-2010 14:39:28] <rmatte> if you type env as root, is LD_LIBRARY_PATH defined?
[28-Oct-2010 14:39:29] <Parabola> hopefully user error
[28-Oct-2010 14:40:07] <Parabola> theres a ZENOSS_LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[28-Oct-2010 14:40:12] <rmatte> what is it set to?
[28-Oct-2010 14:40:17] <LarsN> If I wanted to adjust the threshold at which zenoss things smtp is down.  Where would I make that adjustment?
[28-Oct-2010 14:40:18] <Parabola> ugh sec typing
[28-Oct-2010 14:40:29] <Parabola> no copy and paste hee
[28-Oct-2010 14:40:34] * rmatte nods
[28-Oct-2010 14:40:49] <rmatte> LarsN: I'd imagine it's just based on the snmp timeout settings, either on the collector itself or in zProperties
[28-Oct-2010 14:41:03] <Parabola> /usr/local/zenoss/mysql/lib:/usr/local/zenoss/python/lib:/usr/local/zenoss/common/lib
[28-Oct-2010 14:41:15] <rmatte> and you have that for root?
[28-Oct-2010 14:41:27] <Parabola> yup
[28-Oct-2010 14:41:28] <Simon4_> if it's the ipservice smtp down
[28-Oct-2010 14:41:40] <Simon4_> there's a zProperty just for it
[28-Oct-2010 14:41:40] <rmatte> k, so for some reason your root user is taking on zenoss environment settings
[28-Oct-2010 14:41:44] <rmatte> which would explain your problem
[28-Oct-2010 14:41:46] <Parabola> owned
[28-Oct-2010 14:41:48] * Simon4_ locates the name
[28-Oct-2010 14:42:01] <Parabola> i blame cgibbons
[28-Oct-2010 14:42:15] <rmatte> my root user doesn't even have that env variable
[28-Oct-2010 14:42:22] <LarsN> rmatte: smtp (as in simple mail) as opposed to simple network...
[28-Oct-2010 14:42:24] <Parabola> oh i have more weird ones
[28-Oct-2010 14:42:27] <rmatte> any idea why your root user might be taking those on?
[28-Oct-2010 14:42:41] <Simon4_> LarsN: zStatusConnectTimeout is the one I believe
[28-Oct-2010 14:42:59] <Parabola> zenohome is also defined
[28-Oct-2010 14:43:02] <Parabola> zenhome*
[28-Oct-2010 14:43:09] <Parabola> zenoss_bitrock_stack
[28-Oct-2010 14:43:13] <Parabola> whatever the hell that is
[28-Oct-2010 14:43:14] <Simon4_> zenstatus being the daemon that's checking that service
[28-Oct-2010 14:43:23] <rmatte> bitrock is the company that makes the stack installer
[28-Oct-2010 14:43:28] <rmatte> well, the software
[28-Oct-2010 14:43:31] <Parabola> so
[28-Oct-2010 14:43:33] <LarsN> I'll give it a shot,  Thanks rmatte
[28-Oct-2010 14:43:37] <LarsN> Simon4_: Thanks 
[28-Oct-2010 14:43:39] <Parabola> my env stuff got setup fro the root user
[28-Oct-2010 14:43:42] <Parabola> as well as zenoss?
[28-Oct-2010 14:43:43] <Parabola> lets chec
[28-Oct-2010 14:43:59] <rmatte> well either that or you've got some env file in your root directory that was put there somehow and shouldn't be there
[28-Oct-2010 14:44:04] <Parabola> yeah they are set for both
[28-Oct-2010 14:44:28] <rmatte> I didn't have that happen with my 3.0 upgrade, so not sure what triggered that for you
[28-Oct-2010 14:44:35] <rmatte> but it's something worth figuring out
[28-Oct-2010 14:44:40] <rmatte> might be a problem with the installer
[28-Oct-2010 14:44:56] <cgibbons> How are you going into your root user?
[28-Oct-2010 14:45:09] <rmatte> yeh, you're not going in to root from the zenoss user or anything are you?
[28-Oct-2010 14:46:22] <Parabola> what do yo umean?
[28-Oct-2010 14:46:28] <Parabola> no, i logged into the console as root
[28-Oct-2010 14:46:32] <Parabola> chmod +x'ed the file
[28-Oct-2010 14:46:37] <Parabola> installed
[28-Oct-2010 14:46:42] <Parabola> step 4.) profit
[28-Oct-2010 14:47:06] <rmatte> k...
[28-Oct-2010 14:47:09] <rmatte> go in to /root
[28-Oct-2010 14:47:11] <rmatte> and do...
[28-Oct-2010 14:47:26] <rmatte> grep -ir "ZENOSS_LD_LIBRARY_PATH" *
[28-Oct-2010 14:47:33] <rmatte> see if you get any files returned
[28-Oct-2010 14:48:28] <Parabola> oo lots of scrolling
[28-Oct-2010 14:48:37] <Parabola> lol yeah
[28-Oct-2010 14:48:44] <rmatte> hmmm, I'd only have expected a few lines
[28-Oct-2010 14:48:47] <rmatte> what files are you seeing?
[28-Oct-2010 14:48:49] <Parabola> its well over a hundred
[28-Oct-2010 14:48:56] <Parabola> its vmware console its not very smooth
[28-Oct-2010 14:49:01] <Parabola> lemme try again and write down what i see
[28-Oct-2010 14:49:06] <rmatte> well hold on
[28-Oct-2010 14:49:11] <rmatte> grep -ir "ZENOSS_LD_LIBRARY_PATH" * | less
[28-Oct-2010 14:49:12] <Parabola> i can pipe it
[28-Oct-2010 14:49:14] <rmatte> pipe it to a less
[28-Oct-2010 14:49:15] <Parabola> oh or that
[28-Oct-2010 14:50:44] <Parabola> my mistake i ran that cmd as zenoss
[28-Oct-2010 14:50:56] <Parabola> i forgot i su'ed to zenoss to check if my env stuff matched
[28-Oct-2010 14:50:56] <rmatte> lol
[28-Oct-2010 14:51:04] <Parabola> as root, i get grep: blkid.tab no such file
[28-Oct-2010 14:51:24] <rmatte> hmmm
[28-Oct-2010 14:52:57] <rmatte> I'm trying to find what file actually sets the env variables for the zenoss user...
[28-Oct-2010 14:53:04] <rmatte> doesn't appear to actually be in /home/zenoss
[28-Oct-2010 14:55:11] <rmatte> If any devs want to pipe in with it's location it would be appreciated to keep me from having to grep through 2 tons of files
[28-Oct-2010 14:55:42] <Simon4_> in the rpm things like ZENOSS_HOME are set in /home/zenoss/.bashrc
[28-Oct-2010 14:55:54] <Simon4_> http://pastie.org/1256203
[28-Oct-2010 14:55:57] <rmatte> I'd expect ti to be bashrc, but it's not with the stack
[28-Oct-2010 14:56:01] <rmatte> it*
[28-Oct-2010 14:56:18] <rmatte> I'm even looking for it importing other files in to bashrc
[28-Oct-2010 14:56:22] <rmatte> but I'm either blind or it isn't
[28-Oct-2010 14:57:45] <rmatte> this is mind boggling
[28-Oct-2010 14:57:49] <cgibbons> well wait a minute
[28-Oct-2010 14:57:50] <rmatte> you'd expect it to just be .bashrc
[28-Oct-2010 14:58:10] <cgibbons> you said it killed your ssh session, how were you logged in during your install when that happened? not the VMware console in that case.
[28-Oct-2010 14:58:53] <rmatte> you weren't sshing in to the box as the zenoss user and then sudoing to root?
[28-Oct-2010 14:59:53] <Parabola> remember my vm being hosed
[28-Oct-2010 14:59:56] <Parabola> that was doing it over ssh
[28-Oct-2010 15:00:04] <rmatte> right, but how did you login via ssh?
[28-Oct-2010 15:00:05] <Parabola> i was smarter the next time, i did it from the vmware console
[28-Oct-2010 15:00:08] <rmatte> directly to the root account?
[28-Oct-2010 15:00:10] <Parabola> YES
[28-Oct-2010 15:00:18] <Parabola> look this maybe user error
[28-Oct-2010 15:00:25] <Parabola> but its not related to me installing the stack, or sshing
[28-Oct-2010 15:00:30] <Parabola> i can fking restore the vm
[28-Oct-2010 15:00:34] <Parabola> and ssh works
[28-Oct-2010 15:00:43] <rmatte> yeh, we get that part
[28-Oct-2010 15:01:02] <rmatte> we're just trying to figure out how those env variables are being applied to the root user
[28-Oct-2010 15:01:15] <Parabola> i logged in as root like i always do
[28-Oct-2010 15:01:26] <rmatte> theoretically, had you ssh'd in directly as the zenoss user, then sudoed to root from that user it could mess things up
[28-Oct-2010 15:01:29] <rmatte> that's all we were asking
[28-Oct-2010 15:01:32] <rmatte> ok...
[28-Oct-2010 15:01:46] <rmatte> I'm still working on figuring out where the heck these env variables are coming from in the stack install
[28-Oct-2010 15:01:49] <rmatte> the .bashrc is clean
[28-Oct-2010 15:01:53] <Parabola> got me man
[28-Oct-2010 15:02:28] Simon4_ is now known as Simon4
[28-Oct-2010 15:02:30] <Parabola> i guess restore teh snapshot, save the env
[28-Oct-2010 15:02:33] <Parabola> upgrade, then replace
[28-Oct-2010 15:02:40] <rmatte> well just hold off
[28-Oct-2010 15:02:43] <Parabola> k
[28-Oct-2010 15:02:46] <rmatte> this is probably fixable without a restore
[28-Oct-2010 15:03:55] <rmatte> do you have the following file on there: /root/.ssh/environment?
[28-Oct-2010 15:04:03] <rmatte> (long shot)
[28-Oct-2010 15:04:24] <Parabola> nope
[28-Oct-2010 15:04:27] <rmatte> k
[28-Oct-2010 15:04:32] <Parabola> i even wiped everything out of the .ssh folder to test
[28-Oct-2010 15:04:52] <rmatte> hmmm, so the env vars aren't being set from /home/zenoss and aren't being set from /etc as far as I can see
[28-Oct-2010 15:05:01] <rmatte> I'm going to have to grep the whole damn filesystem to find them
[28-Oct-2010 15:05:07] <Parabola> lol
[28-Oct-2010 15:05:31] <rmatte> never seen this before, they are doing something wacky to set them
[28-Oct-2010 15:05:43] <Parabola> on a side note
[28-Oct-2010 15:05:47] <Parabola> the zenoss graphs are nice now
[28-Oct-2010 15:05:53] <rmatte> lol
[28-Oct-2010 15:05:56] <Parabola> 
[28-Oct-2010 15:05:59] <Parabola> buttons!
[28-Oct-2010 15:06:01] <Simon4> Parabola: all blueish?
[28-Oct-2010 15:06:01] <rmatte> yeh, they do look nicer for sure
[28-Oct-2010 15:06:10] <rmatte> nah, new buttons and titlebars
[28-Oct-2010 15:06:14] <rmatte> styled like the new UI
[28-Oct-2010 15:06:22] <Parabola> i figured it out
[28-Oct-2010 15:06:24] <Parabola> zenoss hates me
[28-Oct-2010 15:06:30] <Parabola> not the product, the entire company
[28-Oct-2010 15:06:30] <rmatte> ?
[28-Oct-2010 15:06:33] <rmatte> lol
[28-Oct-2010 15:07:04] <rmatte> well, I am actually running the grep on the filesystem
[28-Oct-2010 15:07:08] <rmatte> no idea how long it'll take
[28-Oct-2010 15:07:19] <rmatte> I want to know where these elusive env variables are being kept
[28-Oct-2010 15:07:19] <Parabola> what are you looking for
[28-Oct-2010 15:07:23] <Parabola> ah
[28-Oct-2010 15:07:26] <rmatte> grep -ir "ZENOSS_LD_LIBRARY_PATH" *
[28-Oct-2010 15:07:28] <rmatte> in /
[28-Oct-2010 15:07:30] <rmatte> lol
[28-Oct-2010 15:07:32] <Parabola> oh bro, just use the paper clip
[28-Oct-2010 15:07:35] <Parabola> he will help you find it
[28-Oct-2010 15:07:37] <Parabola> then write a letter
[28-Oct-2010 15:07:44] <rmatte> since I already checked /home/zenoss and /etc
[28-Oct-2010 15:07:58] <rmatte> hmmm, I'll check /usr/local/zenoss...
[28-Oct-2010 15:08:25] <rmatte> It should not be this difficult to figure this out, insane
[28-Oct-2010 15:08:31] <Parabola> hehe
[28-Oct-2010 15:09:31] <rmatte> found it
[28-Oct-2010 15:09:48] <rmatte> /usr/local/zenoss/scripts/setenv.sh
[28-Oct-2010 15:10:00] <Parabola> nice
[28-Oct-2010 15:10:12] <rmatte> so for some reason your root user is having that executed for them on login
[28-Oct-2010 15:10:20] <rmatte> in /root do...
[28-Oct-2010 15:10:28] <rmatte> grep -ir "setenv.sh" *
[28-Oct-2010 15:10:30] ke4qqq_ is now known as ke4qqq
[28-Oct-2010 15:10:52] <Parabola> running
[28-Oct-2010 15:11:03] <rmatte> hmmm, I don't even see reference to it in /home/zenoss
[28-Oct-2010 15:11:08] * rmatte scratches his head
[28-Oct-2010 15:11:56] <Parabola> hm still goign 
[28-Oct-2010 15:11:59] <Parabola> no results yet
[28-Oct-2010 15:12:03] * rmatte nods
[28-Oct-2010 15:12:11] <rmatte> I'm checking for scripts that actually launch that
[28-Oct-2010 15:12:13] <Parabola> might help if i delete these bin installers
[28-Oct-2010 15:12:30] <rmatte> probably
[28-Oct-2010 15:12:59] <Parabola> lol yeah
[28-Oct-2010 15:13:01] <Parabola> nada
[28-Oct-2010 15:13:09] <rmatte> k, I'll keep looking
[28-Oct-2010 15:13:14] <Parabola> want help?
[28-Oct-2010 15:13:19] <Parabola> seeing as its my issue
[28-Oct-2010 15:13:32] <rmatte> nah, not much you can do at the moment, just waiting for a grep to finish lol
[28-Oct-2010 15:13:46] <Parabola> on the entire fs?
[28-Oct-2010 15:13:49] <rmatte> nah
[28-Oct-2010 15:13:51] <Parabola> lol
[28-Oct-2010 15:13:52] <rmatte> in /usr/local/zenoss
[28-Oct-2010 15:13:54] <Parabola> ah
[28-Oct-2010 15:13:57] <rmatte> I'll work my way out from there
[28-Oct-2010 15:17:39] <rmatte> hmmm, that script may have more to do with when zenoss is actually starting than anything else
[28-Oct-2010 15:18:36] <rmatte> /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/scripts/ctl.sh is the script that it uses when it's starting up on boot
[28-Oct-2010 15:19:06] <rmatte> and it calls on setenv at the start
[28-Oct-2010 15:19:08] <Parabola> i always laugh at the directory screwup
[28-Oct-2010 15:19:13] <Parabola> local/zenoss/zenoss
[28-Oct-2010 15:19:25] <rmatte> nah, it's not really a screwup
[28-Oct-2010 15:19:29] <Parabola> makes no sense
[28-Oct-2010 15:19:37] <rmatte> stuff like python, mysql, etc... are stored in /usr/local/zenoss
[28-Oct-2010 15:19:38] <Parabola> i was giving them the benefit of the doubt
[28-Oct-2010 15:19:48] <rmatte> and then the zenoss system files are in the zenoss directory under that
[28-Oct-2010 15:19:54] <rmatte> so it ends up being /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss
[28-Oct-2010 15:20:14] <rmatte> I suppose they could have made it /usr/local/zenoss/system or something, but whatever
[28-Oct-2010 15:22:48] <rmatte> I'm out of ideas here, I don't see how the zenoss user can be getting it's env variables from anything other than ~/.bashrc and /etc/profile
[28-Oct-2010 15:23:39] <rmatte> there's nothing in /etc/profile.d either
[28-Oct-2010 15:23:52] <rmatte> maybe /etc/bash.bashrc
[28-Oct-2010 15:25:44] <Parabola> all thoes files are clean
[28-Oct-2010 15:25:47] <Parabola> i just checked
[28-Oct-2010 15:46:49] <rmatte> yeh, I'm out of ideas, but at least we sort of know what the problem is
[28-Oct-2010 15:47:07] <rmatte> we just need to find out how those are being applied
[28-Oct-2010 15:47:24] <rmatte> I have stuff that I need to finish before I leave but we can look at it more tomorrow if you want
[28-Oct-2010 15:47:48] <rmatte> we'd really need a dev to explain exactly how those are getting applied to the zenoss user as a starting point
[28-Oct-2010 15:52:01] <cgibbons> pretty sure the intaller just populates ~zenoss/.bashrc
[28-Oct-2010 15:53:38] <rmatte> I thought so too, but I've checked ~/.bashrc for the zenoss user
[28-Oct-2010 15:53:42] <rmatte> and there's nothing in there
[28-Oct-2010 15:53:56] <rmatte> I've checked every profile related file I could think of, can't find anything
[28-Oct-2010 15:54:29] <rmatte> hmmm
[28-Oct-2010 15:54:41] <rmatte> I just noticed something on one of my 2.5 boxes that I didn't see in my 3.0 install
[28-Oct-2010 15:54:45] <rmatte> unless I just missed it
[28-Oct-2010 15:54:53] <rmatte> . /usr/local/zenoss/scripts/setenv.sh is at the bottom of .bashrc
[28-Oct-2010 15:54:59] * rmatte checks the 3.0 install again
[28-Oct-2010 15:55:26] <rocket> .bashrc or .bash_profile should be updated with the ZENHOME
[28-Oct-2010 15:55:37] <rmatte> oh it is there, just much further down
[28-Oct-2010 15:55:49] <rmatte> ok, so now just to figure out why that's being applied to his root user
[28-Oct-2010 15:56:09] <rmatte> weird that grep didn't pick it up
[28-Oct-2010 15:56:46] <rmatte> yeh, when I grep for it it doesn't find it, hmm
[28-Oct-2010 15:57:04] <ericenns> updatedb?
[28-Oct-2010 15:57:36] <cgibbons> did you use stack installer rmatte?
[28-Oct-2010 15:57:37] <rmatte> isn't that just for locate?
[28-Oct-2010 15:57:41] <rmatte> yeh I did
[28-Oct-2010 15:57:53] <rmatte> it is actually in the .bashrc file when I look manually
[28-Oct-2010 15:57:59] <rmatte> my grep just hadn't picked it up
[28-Oct-2010 15:58:06] <ericenns> yeh that is true
[28-Oct-2010 15:58:39] <rmatte> root@Stone-Crab:/home/zenoss# tail -3 .bashrc
[28-Oct-2010 15:58:39] <rmatte> . /usr/local/zenoss/scripts/setenv.sh
[28-Oct-2010 15:58:39] <rmatte> root@Stone-Crab:/home/zenoss# grep -ir "setenv.sh" *
[28-Oct-2010 15:58:39] <rmatte> root@Stone-Crab:/home/zenoss#
[28-Oct-2010 15:58:46] <rmatte> maybe I'm missing something in my grep
[28-Oct-2010 15:58:52] <rmatte> that has worked for me in the past though
[28-Oct-2010 15:58:56] <Simon4> rmatte: grepping in * doesn't catch files starting with .
[28-Oct-2010 15:59:01] <rmatte> oh
[28-Oct-2010 15:59:06] <rmatte> well that would explain it
[28-Oct-2010 15:59:19] <rmatte> so I'd need to use .*
[28-Oct-2010 15:59:21] <rmatte> gotcha
[28-Oct-2010 15:59:23] <Simon4> yah
[28-Oct-2010 15:59:24] <rmatte> that's my bad then lol
[28-Oct-2010 15:59:36] <Simon4> or use find to get the file list and then grep over the list
[28-Oct-2010 15:59:49] <rmatte> yeh, fair enough, lesson learned
[28-Oct-2010 16:15:10] <rmatte> well, I'm up to over 22k SNMP requests per cycle on one of my Zenoss boxes now
[28-Oct-2010 16:15:19] <imeyer> that's it?
[28-Oct-2010 16:15:22] <imeyer> 
[28-Oct-2010 16:15:29] <rmatte> lol
[28-Oct-2010 16:15:58] <rmatte> If I enabled monitoring of all interfaces it would probably be closer to 70k
[28-Oct-2010 16:26:29] <rmatte> I'm done for the day, be back tomorrow
[28-Oct-2010 16:26:56] <rmatte> have a good evening all (possibly morning for some)
[28-Oct-2010 16:29:24] <S0me1> hi
[28-Oct-2010 16:29:29] <S0me1>  I would like monitoring my system logs, if there is any error or failure happen, alerts me via email. Could you please advice?
[28-Oct-2010 16:31:23] <S0me1> any advice?
[28-Oct-2010 16:36:33] curtis is now known as Guest96745
[28-Oct-2010 16:36:50] Guest96745 is now known as citrus2
[28-Oct-2010 16:37:32] <citrus2> hey,   is it possible to base the "from" email address based on the specific alert?
[28-Oct-2010 16:54:42] <suprsonic> 3.0.3 requires java?
[28-Oct-2010 16:55:08] <rocket> S0me1: forward syslog messages to zensyslog .. and setup alerting rules in zenoss
[28-Oct-2010 16:56:36] <S0me1> rocket: this is the only way?
[28-Oct-2010 16:57:55] <rocket> this is the only "zenoss" way .. you can do it other ways
[28-Oct-2010 16:58:29] <rocket> most likely just need to read your documentation for your syslog software or change to something like syslog-ng if your current software doesnt support it
[28-Oct-2010 16:59:21] <rocket> http://www.campin.net/newlogcheck.html    "email certain logs"
[28-Oct-2010 16:59:46] <S0me1> docs/DOC-4553;jsessionid=173CD0AFEBE004301756FA563CE04359.node0
[28-Oct-2010 17:00:58] <ericenns> anyone on here running an open source IDS
[28-Oct-2010 17:19:10] <xuru> ericenns: not sure it's exactly what you'll looking for, but we just started using: http://www.alienvault.com/community.php?section=Home
[28-Oct-2010 17:21:33] <theacolyte> OSSIM!
[28-Oct-2010 17:21:37] <theacolyte> OSSIM is pretty great
[28-Oct-2010 17:21:54] <theacolyte> We use that as well for internal audits on our PCI scope
[28-Oct-2010 17:22:10] <xuru> ah, it's pretty sweet
[28-Oct-2010 17:22:14] <ericenns> oh yeah its on my list my supervisor gave as well as snort and suricata and others
[28-Oct-2010 17:22:44] <xuru> OSSIM comes with snort and a bunch of other things under the hood
[28-Oct-2010 17:23:15] <theacolyte> yeah
[28-Oct-2010 17:23:37] <ericenns> hmm may have to talk to the sv about this tomorrow I know we are running a Nessus server already
[28-Oct-2010 17:25:08] <Sam-I-Am> meh @ trying to concentrate on work after flying
[28-Oct-2010 17:27:50] <davetoo> big split
[28-Oct-2010 17:28:55] <Sam-I-Am> they happen
[28-Oct-2010 17:49:28] <davetoo> nyeates: hi
[28-Oct-2010 18:44:02] <davetoo> anybody awake?
[28-Oct-2010 18:44:19] <davetoo> What are people doing to monitor TCP connection counts for various protocols?
[28-Oct-2010 19:00:45] <bzed> davetoo: depending on what you want to to do, you migt be interested to count stuff with iptables and graph it with something like munin
[28-Oct-2010 19:00:51] <bzed> or look into ntop
[28-Oct-2010 19:01:07] <bzed> or if you want to know whats going on righ tnow, maybe iptraf?
[28-Oct-2010 19:09:01] <davetoo> the client just wants to graph how many connections he has to mysql and his web app
[28-Oct-2010 19:09:32] <davetoo> I may just do a nagios-style shell-script plugin and run it via ssh
[28-Oct-2010 19:49:08] <bzed> davetoo: tht sounds like a plan.
[28-Oct-2010 20:48:25] <davetoo> he's back
[28-Oct-2010 20:58:12] <Orv> watch out...
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[28-Oct-2010 22:28:39] <lingniao> VERIFY REGISTER lingniao pohlcvtgftkt
[28-Oct-2010 22:46:45] <lingniao2000> sdfsdfll
[28-Oct-2010 22:46:47] <lingniao2000> dgfsdfsdf
[28-Oct-2010 22:49:38] <rhett> orly
[28-Oct-2010 22:50:01] <lingniao> mode #zenoss lingniao -n
[28-Oct-2010 22:50:36] <theacolyte> lol
[28-Oct-2010 22:50:44] <theacolyte> I detect you are having some serious issues with IRC
[28-Oct-2010 22:51:30] <lingniao> i use this irc first
[28-Oct-2010 22:52:11] <lingniao> sfsdf
[28-Oct-2010 22:52:11] <lingniao> sdf
[28-Oct-2010 22:52:12] <lingniao> sdf
[28-Oct-2010 22:52:12] <lingniao> dsf
[28-Oct-2010 22:57:44] <Orv> What was that all about?
[28-Oct-2010 22:59:01] <theacolyte> hahahaha
[28-Oct-2010 22:59:04] <theacolyte> Who knows
[28-Oct-2010 22:59:07] <theacolyte> It's bizzare
[28-Oct-2010 23:11:37] <willwh> wow.
[28-Oct-2010 23:12:04] <willwh> i use this irc first <3
[28-Oct-2010 23:47:15] <rhett> wat
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[29-Oct-2010 00:20:50] <nyeates> that stuff above with lingniao was comical
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[29-Oct-2010 09:19:35] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[29-Oct-2010 09:20:28] <fragfutter> http://me.andering.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/moo.jpg
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[29-Oct-2010 09:29:27] <Sam-I-Am> fragfutter: sfw?
[29-Oct-2010 09:29:31] <ReGiStRaS> Apple is ditching Java support!!!!!!
[29-Oct-2010 09:29:36] <Sam-I-Am> oldnews
[29-Oct-2010 09:29:37] <fragfutter> Sam-I-Am: yes
[29-Oct-2010 09:29:49] <fragfutter> ReGiStRaS: high latency?
[29-Oct-2010 09:29:54] <ReGiStRaS> 
[29-Oct-2010 09:29:55] <ReGiStRaS> sry
[29-Oct-2010 09:29:56] <ReGiStRaS> lol
[29-Oct-2010 09:30:23] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[29-Oct-2010 09:48:38] <rmatte> well, I'm mind boggled at these phantom snmp values
[29-Oct-2010 09:48:53] <rmatte> I can snmpwalk the value over and over as fast as I can and it never changes
[29-Oct-2010 09:49:02] <rmatte> yet Zenoss is graphing it as though it is
[29-Oct-2010 09:50:27] <Sam-I-Am> cheesy
[29-Oct-2010 09:50:55] <rmatte> quite
[29-Oct-2010 09:50:56] <cgibbons> is it recording the correctly in the rrd file?
[29-Oct-2010 09:50:59] <cgibbons> them even
[29-Oct-2010 09:51:19] <rmatte> well, I've regenerated the RRD like 5 times now for 8 different interfaces that it's doing it on
[29-Oct-2010 09:51:22] <rmatte> and it keeps messing up
[29-Oct-2010 09:51:36] <rmatte> It's all the same interface type too
[29-Oct-2010 09:51:47] <rmatte> StackSub interfaces with type propVirtual
[29-Oct-2010 09:52:31] <rmatte> example of interface name: StackSub-St3-1
[29-Oct-2010 09:53:48] <rmatte> one of the graphs actually leveled out and is remaining at 0
[29-Oct-2010 09:53:54] <rmatte> the rest are all still going bonkers
[29-Oct-2010 09:55:14] <rmatte> I may just end up disabling the datasource on just those interfaces, pretty dumb that this is happening though
[29-Oct-2010 09:56:00] <Simon4> rmatte: have you got it as a GAUGE vs a COUNTER?
[29-Oct-2010 09:56:07] <Simon4> (random thought)
[29-Oct-2010 09:56:12] <rmatte> derive
[29-Oct-2010 09:56:18] <rmatte> and that's done on purpose
[29-Oct-2010 09:56:23] <Simon4> for sure
[29-Oct-2010 09:56:24] <rmatte> if there's no change in the value it should be 0
[29-Oct-2010 09:57:56] <rmatte> http://oi55.tinypic.com/6f1202.jpg
[29-Oct-2010 09:58:01] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: so... for those of us not python rockstars, how do you generally find where zenoss hides stuff?  for example... what functions it calls to update the user password from the web interface (and hence where you found it in zendmd) ... i suppose theres some sort of rhyme or reason.
[29-Oct-2010 09:58:03] <rmatte> that's what the graph looks like
[29-Oct-2010 09:58:29] <Sam-I-Am> ha, wow
[29-Oct-2010 09:58:29] <rmatte> I'm not really a python rockstar.  I mostly just dig through source code, and use the zendmd tab completion to find stuff
[29-Oct-2010 09:58:35] <rmatte> when all else fails I ask a dev
[29-Oct-2010 09:59:04] <Sam-I-Am> i guess what i'm asking is how you find stuff in the fairly large source tree... lots of directories and other goodies.
[29-Oct-2010 09:59:36] <rmatte> It's basically figuring out what script in the UI does what you're wanting to do
[29-Oct-2010 09:59:48] <rmatte> then going in to that script and finding the relevant portion of code
[29-Oct-2010 10:00:05] <rmatte> that's really the best way to figure it out
[29-Oct-2010 10:00:37] <rmatte> http://oi54.tinypic.com/r22knl.jpg
[29-Oct-2010 10:00:42] <rmatte> that's what why other graph looks like
[29-Oct-2010 10:00:49] <Sam-I-Am> i think the key for me is relating what i'm seeing in the UI to a script within zenoss...
[29-Oct-2010 10:00:49] <rmatte> it was going crazy too then finally leveled out
[29-Oct-2010 10:01:17] <Sam-I-Am> hmm... weird that its just jittery
[29-Oct-2010 10:01:28] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: turn on live http headers in firefox and watch the calls made when you change a password 
[29-Oct-2010 10:01:37] <Simon4> is what I do when I get really desperate
[29-Oct-2010 10:02:05] <rmatte> well, you can also get in to the zope management interface and dig around to try and figure it out
[29-Oct-2010 10:02:08] <rmatte> it's not always easy
[29-Oct-2010 10:02:13] <Sam-I-Am> i just figured there was some magical way...
[29-Oct-2010 10:02:14] <rmatte> sometimes stuff is hopelessly buried
[29-Oct-2010 10:02:15] <rmatte> lol
[29-Oct-2010 10:02:21] <rmatte> nope
[29-Oct-2010 10:02:25] <rmatte> just grungy hard work
[29-Oct-2010 10:02:29] <Sam-I-Am> trying to dig into things without having to ask around
[29-Oct-2010 10:02:30] <Sam-I-Am> nice
[29-Oct-2010 10:02:47] <rmatte> and when I do figure out how to do something I document it
[29-Oct-2010 10:03:05] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: it'd be weird if inside your rrd file, the values are the same, yet rrdtool graphs it as not a straight line
[29-Oct-2010 10:03:06] <rmatte> though I have a lot of stuff memorized
[29-Oct-2010 10:03:28] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: well, I'll dump the values and see
[29-Oct-2010 10:05:02] <rmatte> nah, the values are changing in the RRD
[29-Oct-2010 10:05:17] <rmatte> so Zenoss is screwing up somehow with it's collection (is the only explanation I can come up with)
[29-Oct-2010 10:05:37] <Sam-I-Am> time to sniff some packets
[29-Oct-2010 10:05:48] <Sam-I-Am> see what values it gets with what is it... twisted?
[29-Oct-2010 10:05:52] <Simon4> rmatte: are you sure the snmpindex hasn't changed?
[29-Oct-2010 10:06:02] <rmatte> Simon4: positive
[29-Oct-2010 10:06:28] <rmatte> and even if it had, I'm walking the values back to back less than a second apart and it's not changing
[29-Oct-2010 10:06:41] <rmatte> so I should be seeing 0, not what I'm seeing in the first image I pasted
[29-Oct-2010 10:07:05] <Simon4> *nod*
[29-Oct-2010 10:07:07] <rmatte> something is getting lost in translation
[29-Oct-2010 10:08:48] <rmatte> the other thing is, it's an snmp value that is only capable of increasing, not decreasing (it has decreased by 1 timetick every few seconds on 1 particular device, but that's from a firmware bug, and using derive made that irrelevant)...
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:02] <rmatte> 1288303200: 0.0000000000e+00
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:03] <rmatte> 1288303500: 0.0000000000e+00
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:03] <rmatte> 1288303800: 0.0000000000e+00
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:03] <rmatte> 1288304100: 4.0120308437e+06
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:03] <rmatte> 1288304400: -2.2867533294e+06
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:03] <rmatte> 1288304700: 2.2813564874e+06
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:03] <rmatte> 1288305000: 1.7199890583e+06
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:04] <rmatte> 1288305300: -3.9115330879e+06
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:04] <rmatte> 1288305600: 4.1401227959e+06
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:05] <rmatte> 1288305900: 2.6347218220e+06
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:05] <rmatte> 1288306200: 2.0042980493e+06
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:06] <rmatte> 1288306500: -7.1577090986e+06
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:06] <rmatte> 1288306800: -3.4365235407e+06
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:07] <rmatte> 1288307100: 0.0000000000e+00
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:40] <rmatte> anyways, to get values like that is very strange
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:47] <zykes-> should zemoss 3.0.3 monitoring around 50 devices hog up 6gb of mem on centos 5.5 ?
[29-Oct-2010 10:09:56] <rmatte> zykes-: no
[29-Oct-2010 10:10:08] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: negative values on a counter are... uh.
[29-Oct-2010 10:10:11] <rmatte> at 50 devices I'd say about 3GB, possibly 4
[29-Oct-2010 10:10:11] <zykes-> it does :(/
[29-Oct-2010 10:10:19] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: it's a derive, not a counter, so negative are possible
[29-Oct-2010 10:10:23] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: it's a derive, it supports negative values
[29-Oct-2010 10:10:29] <zykes-> and a continued load of 10+
[29-Oct-2010 10:10:36] <rmatte> the problem is, why am I even seeing those negative values?
[29-Oct-2010 10:10:42] <rmatte> or any change at all for that matter
[29-Oct-2010 10:10:53] <Simon4> rmatte: my vote's still that zenoss is saving the value from something else into that RRD file
[29-Oct-2010 10:11:31] <rmatte> Simon4: I've remodeled the devices, I've deleted and allowed RRD files to regenerate on multiple occasions
[29-Oct-2010 10:11:39] <rmatte> so if it is, it's a bug
[29-Oct-2010 10:12:02] <Sam-I-Am> i'd sniff the snmp session to see whats going no
[29-Oct-2010 10:12:03] <Sam-I-Am> on
[29-Oct-2010 10:12:10] <rmatte> I'm walking the SNMP index that's set in Zenoss for that interface
[29-Oct-2010 10:12:17] <rmatte> the value doesn't change
[29-Oct-2010 10:12:18] <rmatte> lol
[29-Oct-2010 10:12:28] <Simon4> rmatte: I would modify zenperfsnmp slightly to dump the datapoint name and the value at RRD write time
[29-Oct-2010 10:12:32] <Simon4> try and get the OID also
[29-Oct-2010 10:12:51] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: but you're also using snmpwalk, not what zenoss uses internally?
[29-Oct-2010 10:13:17] <rmatte> correct, twisted doesn't have a commandline utility to my knowledge
[29-Oct-2010 10:13:22] <rmatte> it's just an snmp library for python
[29-Oct-2010 10:13:46] <mray> it's actually all networking protocols, but yeah, I don't know of a CLI
[29-Oct-2010 10:13:50] * rmatte nods
[29-Oct-2010 10:14:48] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: hence the reason to sniff the session, since you can't use it via cli
[29-Oct-2010 10:14:54] <rmatte> I may just give up and disable the datasources on those interfaces.  I'm swamped with other stuff to do, so I don't want to waste another day on this
[29-Oct-2010 10:15:14] <zykes-> rmatte: any way to check what's going on ?
[29-Oct-2010 10:15:44] <rmatte> zykes-: not beyond sniffing packets
[29-Oct-2010 10:16:04] <rmatte> the other thing is, isolating that 1 specific packet out of the thousands lol
[29-Oct-2010 10:17:56] <rmatte> It's just strange that it's only doing it for 1 type of interface
[29-Oct-2010 10:18:00] <Sam-I-Am> just specify the specific host and snmp port... should limit it to at least that device.
[29-Oct-2010 10:18:02] <rmatte> across 4 different zenoss servers
[29-Oct-2010 10:18:46] <rmatte> all other interfaces are fine
[29-Oct-2010 10:40:39] <rmatte> I'm tempted to leave these over the weekend and wait to see if they level out like this other graph has done
[29-Oct-2010 10:45:17] <Parabola|W> good morning
[29-Oct-2010 10:45:21] <Parabola|W> rmatte, how are we today
[29-Oct-2010 10:45:50] <fragfutter> rmatte: have tried turning off and on again
[29-Oct-2010 10:45:59] <fragfutter> (pretty much the same solution 
[29-Oct-2010 10:49:52] <rmatte> lol
[29-Oct-2010 10:50:03] <rmatte> Parabola|W: doing alright, very busy
[29-Oct-2010 10:58:29] <Sam-I-Am> how do you escape a . in zendmd?
[29-Oct-2010 10:59:19] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: something.something._getOb("foo.baa").foo
[29-Oct-2010 11:03:13] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm
[29-Oct-2010 11:03:34] <Sam-I-Am> having trouble figuring out how to pythonify resetting zenoss user password
[29-Oct-2010 11:03:41] <Sam-I-Am> since they're not in the normal tree of user stuff
[29-Oct-2010 11:13:07] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: let me ask someone
[29-Oct-2010 11:13:53] * Sam-I-Am has trouble converting what works in zendmd to what works in python calling zendmd stuff
[29-Oct-2010 11:14:03] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: why aren't you just using LDAP or AD auth?
[29-Oct-2010 11:14:45] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: i think thats the ultimate goal for this in production, but the sysadmin doesnt seem to want this guest account in ldap
[29-Oct-2010 11:14:49] <tiredofme> anyone monitoring MS SQL 2005 using the WMI MSSQL zenpack?
[29-Oct-2010 11:14:53] <fragfutter> Sam-I-Am: what do you have in zendmd?
[29-Oct-2010 11:15:59] <Sam-I-Am> dmd.acl_users.userManager.updateUserPassword('user', 'newpasswd')
[29-Oct-2010 11:16:29] <fragfutter> and what do you want to do? have this in a standlone python script?
[29-Oct-2010 11:16:48] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, its in the same script that resets the user's dashboard to specific stuff
[29-Oct-2010 11:18:18] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: guys here haven't done it, but they've created users and set the password at the time
[29-Oct-2010 11:18:24] <Sam-I-Am> the sysadmin wanted to simply disable this guest user's ability to change its password or the dashboard, but apparently the easiest way around that is periodically run a python script that sets those things
[29-Oct-2010 11:18:56] <Sam-I-Am> the acl stuff built into zenoss enterprise doesnt quite give that level of granularity on guest-style users... they can still change some stuff.
[29-Oct-2010 11:20:40] <fragfutter> Sam-I-Am: http://fpaste.org/Spk5/
[29-Oct-2010 11:22:40] <Sam-I-Am> ahh guess i was looking into that more than just dropping that line into the script
[29-Oct-2010 11:22:54] <Sam-I-Am> updating the dashboard requires a few more lines
[29-Oct-2010 11:23:03] <fragfutter> i forgot the import globals. http://fpaste.org/LcQW/
[29-Oct-2010 11:23:36] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, i had that part
[29-Oct-2010 11:23:38] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: Did you reccommend OSSIM to me for IDS use yesterday?
[29-Oct-2010 11:23:48] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: so you need to get your hands on the acl_users object, then you can play with this too
[29-Oct-2010 11:23:50] <Simon4> self.acl_users._doChangeUser(userid,password,roles,domains)
[29-Oct-2010 11:24:06] <Sam-I-Am> ericenns: uh... i dont think so
[29-Oct-2010 11:24:43] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: ok good to know lol
[29-Oct-2010 11:24:48] <fragfutter> Simon4: _doChangeUser is "private". sam has the updateUserPassword which is better suited
[29-Oct-2010 11:25:06] <Simon4> fragfutter: true
[29-Oct-2010 11:25:33] <Sam-I-Am> thanks guys... some of this is making sense now
[29-Oct-2010 11:28:17] <fragfutter> starting to learn python at the same moment as starting to use zope sucks, but the moment both falls into place...
[29-Oct-2010 11:29:10] <fragfutter> and now it's weeeeekend
[29-Oct-2010 11:29:30] <Sam-I-Am> yay
[29-Oct-2010 11:29:47] <Sam-I-Am> few more hours here... quite a few
[29-Oct-2010 11:31:37] <rmatte> NetIQ is the biggest POS software ever
[29-Oct-2010 11:31:41] * rmatte slams head on desk
[29-Oct-2010 11:31:43] <Sam-I-Am> what is it?
[29-Oct-2010 11:31:48] <rmatte> monitoring software
[29-Oct-2010 11:31:55] <rmatte> we're trying to use it for VoIP monitoring
[29-Oct-2010 11:32:00] <rmatte> nightmare though
[29-Oct-2010 11:32:13] <Parabola|W> lol
[29-Oct-2010 11:32:16] <Sam-I-Am> zenoss cant do it?
[29-Oct-2010 11:32:27] <rmatte> no, it can't
[29-Oct-2010 11:32:35] <Parabola|W> oh yeah
[29-Oct-2010 11:32:53] <rmatte> we're literally going to be monitoring call quality levels
[29-Oct-2010 11:33:01] <Parabola|W> i've got the asterisk 1.6 (snmp) zenpack installed, and it doesnt work for trixbox 2.6, which uses asterisk 1.6
[29-Oct-2010 11:33:23] <Parabola|W> the graphs are all NAN which tells me the snmp stuff was changed
[29-Oct-2010 11:33:28] <rmatte> we're also monitoring Cisco Unity
[29-Oct-2010 11:33:35] <rmatte> neither of which Zenoss can do
[29-Oct-2010 11:33:40] <Parabola|W> im having a hard time finding the info i need to update the or make a new zenpack
[29-Oct-2010 11:33:48] <Parabola|W> where do you find stuff like the snmp info for a product?
[29-Oct-2010 11:33:59] <Sam-I-Am> theres usually a mib for it
[29-Oct-2010 11:34:19] <rmatte> Parabola|W: you either hunt through Mibs or google around
[29-Oct-2010 11:34:26] <Parabola|W> alright :-\
[29-Oct-2010 11:34:35] <Parabola|W> i'd like active calls, channels used.. to all show up
[29-Oct-2010 11:34:40] <rmatte> googling the product model along with the words "snmp rosetta stone" sometimes yields results
[29-Oct-2010 11:34:47] <Parabola|W> oh sweet, thanks
[29-Oct-2010 11:34:52] <rmatte> sometimes I grab cacti templates and rip the OIDs out of those
[29-Oct-2010 11:34:53] <rmatte> lol
[29-Oct-2010 11:34:54] <Parabola|W> i can only assume that trixbox broke or changed somthing
[29-Oct-2010 11:35:06] <Parabola|W> how are OIDs defined/ created
[29-Oct-2010 11:35:11] <Parabola|W> do the devs just pick random numbers
[29-Oct-2010 11:35:20] <Sam-I-Am> theres a vendor number in them
[29-Oct-2010 11:35:29] <Sam-I-Am> after that its more or less up to the vendor how things are numbered
[29-Oct-2010 11:35:32] <rmatte> yeh, they follow some RFC standard
[29-Oct-2010 11:35:38] <rmatte> well, most do
[29-Oct-2010 11:35:53] <Sam-I-Am> there are some standard mibs vendors generally use... at least for network gear
[29-Oct-2010 11:36:02] <rmatte> yeh
[29-Oct-2010 11:36:11] <rmatte> like anything to do with an interface
[29-Oct-2010 11:36:15] <rmatte> is pretty standard stuff
[29-Oct-2010 11:36:19] <Sam-I-Am> you'll get interface stats and stuff, but things like chassis temp and fan speeds are generally vendor stuff
[29-Oct-2010 11:36:30] <rmatte> same with CPU and Memory
[29-Oct-2010 11:36:31] <cgibbons> the data is hierarhical groups, so when you design a MIB you add new fields, subgroups, or tables, and then the numbers get generated automatically from that based on the conventions
[29-Oct-2010 11:36:31] <rmatte> vendor stuff
[29-Oct-2010 11:36:55] * Sam-I-Am hates asn.1 heh
[29-Oct-2010 11:37:42] <Parabola|W> closest thing i found, this make any sense?
[29-Oct-2010 11:37:43] <Parabola|W> http://www.osslab.org.tw/VoIP/IP_PBX/%E8%BB%9F%E9%AB%94%E5%BC%8F_IP_PBX/Asterisk/Tips/Asterisk_Monitoring_(%E7%9B%A3%E6%B8%AC)/Set_SNMP_on_Trixbox_2.6
[29-Oct-2010 11:39:07] <Sam-I-Am> i guess the first question would be is snmp enabled on the box?
[29-Oct-2010 11:39:32] <Sam-I-Am> those instructions first explain turning snmp on
[29-Oct-2010 11:39:53] <Parabola|W> yeah i ment the 2nd half
[29-Oct-2010 11:39:56] <Parabola|W> snmp works fine, no errors
[29-Oct-2010 11:40:02] <Parabola|W> i get processes, network stuff, drives..ect
[29-Oct-2010 11:40:13] <Parabola|W> just, the graphs for the asterisk template/zenpack dont work
[29-Oct-2010 11:40:21] <Parabola|W> so im pretty certain trixbox changed somthing
[29-Oct-2010 11:40:41] <Sam-I-Am> it seems to use the asterisk mib
[29-Oct-2010 11:41:01] <Sam-I-Am> what happens when you call snmpwalk with some of the oids that arent working in zenoss?
[29-Oct-2010 11:41:09] <Parabola|W> i dont know how do to that mate
[29-Oct-2010 11:41:21] <Parabola|W> the product is built on asterisk 1.6, thats why i tried this zenpack
[29-Oct-2010 11:41:45] <Sam-I-Am> snmpwalk -v 2c -c communitystring hostname oid
[29-Oct-2010 11:42:04] <Parabola|W> does this have to be done from the zenoss box ?
[29-Oct-2010 11:42:16] <rmatte> it has to be done from a box that can hit that device
[29-Oct-2010 11:42:16] <Parabola|W> i have no ssh 
[29-Oct-2010 11:42:21] <Parabola|W> so yes in this case
[29-Oct-2010 11:42:27] <Parabola|W> lemme get windows, sec
[29-Oct-2010 11:42:31] <Sam-I-Am> no ssh?
[29-Oct-2010 11:42:45] <Parabola|W> dont ask. cgibbons's fault
[29-Oct-2010 11:44:05] <SEJeff> fyi the support portal page hasn't been updated to reflect ZenOSS 3.0.3 being released
[29-Oct-2010 11:45:28] <ericenns> SEJeff: Hey I was using your Ganglia zenpack in 3.0.X and had a question for you
[29-Oct-2010 11:46:11] <SEJeff> Oh boy
[29-Oct-2010 11:46:23] <SEJeff> ericenns, It was mainly a P.O.C. We don't even use it
[29-Oct-2010 11:47:09] <ericenns> SEJeff: haha yeah I got it to load in 3.0.X, had to make a modification
[29-Oct-2010 11:47:34] <ericenns> SEJeff: yeah it seems to work well for me, do you use something different for ganglia then?
[29-Oct-2010 11:47:41] <SEJeff> gmetad 
[29-Oct-2010 11:47:55] <SEJeff> Actually, we're using graphite for graphs, not zenoss as much anymore
[29-Oct-2010 11:48:17] <SEJeff> We use zenoss for monitoring and graphite + the zenoss rrds for graphs
[29-Oct-2010 11:48:49] <ericenns> SEJeff: oh I see, I needed ganglia monitoring because of the multiple Rocks clusters we have
[29-Oct-2010 11:48:54] <SEJeff> ericenns, Can you setup a github account and send a pull request to the zenoss zenpacks page?
[29-Oct-2010 11:49:02] <SEJeff> Rocks?
[29-Oct-2010 11:49:11] <SEJeff> That is what gmetad is for
[29-Oct-2010 11:49:53] <davetoo> well...dang
[29-Oct-2010 11:49:55] <ericenns> SEJeff: I don't have a github account could make one, http://www.rocksclusters.org/wordpress/
[29-Oct-2010 11:50:01] <davetoo> how long has Graphite been around?
[29-Oct-2010 11:50:30] <SEJeff> Since 2008 when Orbitz released it
[29-Oct-2010 11:50:40] <SEJeff> But it does on the fly arbitrary graphs
[29-Oct-2010 11:50:59] <ericenns> SEJeff: so what you have a server with gmetad and graphite?
[29-Oct-2010 11:51:15] <SEJeff> ericenns, So for graphing various ganglia clusters, just use gmetad
[29-Oct-2010 11:51:35] <SEJeff> It will tcp connect to a gmond node in each cluster and pull the stats it is aware of from every host
[29-Oct-2010 11:51:43] <SEJeff> Then graphs it all with a pretty decent php webui
[29-Oct-2010 11:52:05] <ericenns> SEJeff: could you provide a link to that?
[29-Oct-2010 11:52:42] <SEJeff> ericenns, Did you install ganglia from your package repo?
[29-Oct-2010 11:53:38] <SEJeff> In redhat based distros, the ganglia src rpm builds both gmond and getad packages. You should be able to yum/apt-get install ganglia-gmetad.
[29-Oct-2010 11:53:39] <ericenns> SEJeff: I never installed ganglia, the Rocks cluster distribition sets it up with a web portal on the head node that shows graphs for all devices, I was wanting to integrate that with zenoss
[29-Oct-2010 11:53:51] <SEJeff> ericenns, Ah gotcha
[29-Oct-2010 11:54:00] <SEJeff> I'd be willing to bet that the head node is just running gmetad
[29-Oct-2010 11:54:12] <ericenns> thats probably the case
[29-Oct-2010 11:54:15] <SEJeff> And that you could install gmetad on any server you want and have it connect to all of your clusters
[29-Oct-2010 11:54:22] <SEJeff> for one big shiney webui of it all
[29-Oct-2010 11:54:53] <ericenns> SEJeff: that will just grab all the graphs from each clusters gmetad instance since all nodes are on a private subnet
[29-Oct-2010 11:55:46] <SEJeff> ericenns, Do you know how ganglia works?
[29-Oct-2010 11:56:30] <ericenns> SEJeff: I believe that there is a gmond process running on each node and the head node grabs data from there and stores it?
[29-Oct-2010 11:56:43] <SEJeff> All nodes connect to a multicast address and publish their stats to that multicast address. Every node inherently knows about every other node. You can connect to tcp port 8649 (like the ganglia zenpack) and get an xml dump of the entire cluster from any node running gmond.
[29-Oct-2010 11:56:53] <SEJeff> They default to udp multicast
[29-Oct-2010 11:57:14] <SEJeff> You can use gmetad to tcp connect to port 8649 of any host in a cluster that runs gmond
[29-Oct-2010 11:57:31] <SEJeff> gmetad will periodically poll that port for updated xml stats and write them to rrds on the gmetad server
[29-Oct-2010 11:57:31] <ericenns> ok
[29-Oct-2010 11:57:42] <SEJeff> Doing this, you can have gmetad poll every single cluster
[29-Oct-2010 11:57:54] <SEJeff> and then have one big view separated out nicely by cluster and then by hostname
[29-Oct-2010 11:58:15] <ericenns> Ok hmm will have to search that to figure that out
[29-Oct-2010 11:59:29] <davetoo> damn
[29-Oct-2010 11:59:32] <davetoo> new-info overload 
[29-Oct-2010 11:59:52] <davetoo> Graphite is more than just a graphing engine... it's RRD++
[29-Oct-2010 12:00:14] <SEJeff> ganglia is fantastic in that the agent overhead is basically 0. It is much lower impact than snmp by design
[29-Oct-2010 12:00:30] <SEJeff> Integrating it with zenoss is pretty nice if you're not able to run snmp due to performance overhead
[29-Oct-2010 12:01:00] <davetoo> how do you integrate with zenoss?
[29-Oct-2010 12:01:20] <davetoo> (maybe you said that already, in which case I'll scroll up 
[29-Oct-2010 12:01:46] <SEJeff> davetoo, It is actually based on a how to integrate ganglia with graphite tutorial. You can teach graphite to read zenoss's rrd files
[29-Oct-2010 12:02:06] <SEJeff> http://vuksan.com/blog/2010/09/29/integrating-graphite-with-ganglia/
[29-Oct-2010 12:33:50] <Parabola> K
[29-Oct-2010 12:33:56] <Parabola> So how do i snmpwalk a single oid
[29-Oct-2010 12:34:02] <Parabola> i tried what simon said, the syntax was invalid
[29-Oct-2010 12:34:13] <Parabola> i see a search range switch, but thats it
[29-Oct-2010 12:35:02] <theacolyte> snmpwalk -v 2 -c community serverIP OID
[29-Oct-2010 12:35:06] <theacolyte> or whatever
[29-Oct-2010 12:36:23] <Parabola> ah the -c
[29-Oct-2010 12:36:37] <Parabola> alright, so i was right, trixbox isnt using the same OIDs as asterisk 1.6
[29-Oct-2010 12:36:40] <Parabola> how stupid is that
[29-Oct-2010 12:37:12] <Parabola> no such object availible on this agent
[29-Oct-2010 12:38:18] <SEJeff> Parabola, You might also do -v 2c instead of -v 2
[29-Oct-2010 12:38:24] <SEJeff> I'm not sure if the latter will even work
[29-Oct-2010 12:38:27] <theacolyte> It does
[29-Oct-2010 12:38:41] <SEJeff> Good to know
[29-Oct-2010 12:39:30] <Parabola> SEJeff i did
[29-Oct-2010 12:39:45] <Parabola> its not availbile
[29-Oct-2010 12:40:06] <Parabola> and people on the trixbox forums are apparently not out of the box thinkers, lots of stuff about snmp
[29-Oct-2010 12:40:12] <Parabola> but its them being too stupid to just setup the daemon
[29-Oct-2010 12:40:27] <Parabola> only one post mentioning monitoring channels, active calls..ect
[29-Oct-2010 12:40:31] <Parabola> and no intelligent response on it
[29-Oct-2010 12:42:15] <Parabola> found someone doing it with nagios, heh
[29-Oct-2010 12:57:35] <Parabola> hm
[29-Oct-2010 12:58:18] <Parabola> so i know snmp is working on that server, everything from the device template shows up, just the asterisk one isnt working, is it possible that the OIDs are correct
[29-Oct-2010 12:58:29] <Parabola> but the data still cannot be retrieved?
[29-Oct-2010 13:10:33] <Sam-I-Am> thats kinda odd
[29-Oct-2010 13:10:54] <Sam-I-Am> if snmp is listening and the oid isnt there, it should say so
[29-Oct-2010 13:12:18] <Parabola> "No such object availible on this agent at this OID"
[29-Oct-2010 13:12:51] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, so the oid isnt there
[29-Oct-2010 13:13:42] <Parabola> ffs
[29-Oct-2010 13:13:49] <Parabola> i think i know what the problem is
[29-Oct-2010 13:15:41] <Parabola> im double checking now, but all my work has been based on the assumption that my boss was correct in what version he installed
[29-Oct-2010 13:17:44] <Parabola> damn i was wrong
[29-Oct-2010 13:17:51] <Parabola> it is 1.6
[29-Oct-2010 13:18:07] <Parabola> so yup its broke
[29-Oct-2010 13:22:42] <davetoo> ok, this is the first I've gotten to play with a running 3.0.x system.
[29-Oct-2010 13:22:53] <davetoo> How the heck do I get to the zProperties for /Devices?
[29-Oct-2010 13:24:09] <Sam-I-Am> config properties
[29-Oct-2010 13:24:13] <rocket> davetoo: see the details button?
[29-Oct-2010 13:24:30] <rocket> details -> configuration properties
[29-Oct-2010 13:24:31] <davetoo> I do now
[29-Oct-2010 13:24:37] <davetoo> got it
[29-Oct-2010 13:24:38] <davetoo> thanks
[29-Oct-2010 13:25:09] <rocket> zproperties was determined to be confusing .. so we are trying to get away from that terminology
[29-Oct-2010 13:25:32] <davetoo> in the code aswell, or just in the UI?
[29-Oct-2010 13:25:40] <rocket> mainly the ui
[29-Oct-2010 13:25:42] <rocket> at the moment
[29-Oct-2010 13:26:13] <rocket> I believe it will be a legacy thing for a long time .. :/
[29-Oct-2010 13:26:16] <davetoo> is the whole _properties and _factory_methods stuff... from Zope or Zenoss?
[29-Oct-2010 13:26:51] <rocket> I *believe* zope .. but I would need to ask a historian here .. 
[29-Oct-2010 13:26:54] <davetoo> I haven't gotten enough of the class diagram in my head at once, yet 
[29-Oct-2010 13:27:20] <rocket> good luck .. 3.0 adds a whole new layer to it ..
[29-Oct-2010 13:27:40] <rocket> which is a good thing because we are starting to separate the ui from the device model .. 
[29-Oct-2010 13:27:49] <davetoo> yeah... I jsut tried to get to the ZMI the old way 
[29-Oct-2010 13:27:55] <davetoo> indeed, good thing 
[29-Oct-2010 13:28:07] <davetoo> MVC are separate for a reason 
[29-Oct-2010 13:28:32] <davetoo> w00t!
[29-Oct-2010 13:28:39] <rocket> but it means the current developer guides are even more woefully inadequate again .. 
[29-Oct-2010 13:28:41] <davetoo> ZenLinkManager/layer2_catalog!
[29-Oct-2010 13:28:42] <davetoo> !!!
[29-Oct-2010 13:29:06] <rocket> no layer2 support yet
[29-Oct-2010 13:29:14] <rocket> not really anyway ..
[29-Oct-2010 13:29:25] <davetoo> so I've seen reference in the java stuff to graphs; I know that Enterprise is using some licensed Java graph package.
[29-Oct-2010 13:29:39] <davetoo> Is this just framework for that, or is any of that going to make it into Core?
[29-Oct-2010 13:29:50] <tiredofme> could anyone lend me a hand with setting a threshold for LockWaitTimems on SQL 2005?
[29-Oct-2010 13:29:51] * Sam-I-Am didnt see any java stuff for graphs in enterprise 3.0
[29-Oct-2010 13:30:03] <rocket> davetoo: its for the dynamic view items
[29-Oct-2010 13:30:04] <tiredofme> the returned value is insanely high
[29-Oct-2010 13:30:16] <davetoo> I ask because I've had in my head for a long time the idea of creating a directed graph model in a new zenpack
[29-Oct-2010 13:30:46] <Sam-I-Am> directed graph model?
[29-Oct-2010 13:30:50] <rocket> do you see a menu item on a device for "dynamic view"?
[29-Oct-2010 13:30:55] <rocket> if not then it isnt in core ..
[29-Oct-2010 13:31:05] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am is running Enterprise
[29-Oct-2010 13:31:06] <rocket> I havent looked at a plain core instance in a while ..
[29-Oct-2010 13:31:14] <davetoo> I'm not, currently
[29-Oct-2010 13:32:20] <rocket> dynamic views are rendered using java .. the new reporting engine is also java
[29-Oct-2010 13:32:27] <davetoo> ok, well... I just don't want to go off and invent a wheel that somebody is already working on.
[29-Oct-2010 13:32:41] <rocket> the new reporting engine will be part of the next major release.   Currently sounding like a pay for add on
[29-Oct-2010 13:32:55] <rocket> not sure if that includes core .. havent gotten enough information there
[29-Oct-2010 13:33:25] <davetoo> what is the new "modelservice" I see in svn?
[29-Oct-2010 13:33:27] <rocket> the new engine will pull data from the model and rrd files etc
[29-Oct-2010 13:33:32] <davetoo> that's java-ish too
[29-Oct-2010 13:33:48] <rocket> I believe thats the hooks for the new java engine
[29-Oct-2010 13:34:15] <Sam-I-Am> java means it'll need even more resources :/
[29-Oct-2010 13:34:38] <davetoo> Did anyone ever say that Zenoss was lightweight? 
[29-Oct-2010 13:35:12] <Sam-I-Am> python is bulky, python + java = ???
[29-Oct-2010 13:35:40] * Sam-I-Am sees a separate box for reporting
[29-Oct-2010 13:36:14] <rocket> Sam-I-Am: most likely that is the idea anyway ..
[29-Oct-2010 13:37:10] <tiredofme> hmmm why is my value for lockwaittimems in the millions? it works out to 65,000 seconds...
[29-Oct-2010 13:37:48] <Sam-I-Am> tiredofme: do you see an 'm' in the graph or something?
[29-Oct-2010 13:38:13] <tiredofme> Sam-I-Am: yes, the current value is 65.09m
[29-Oct-2010 13:38:18] <Sam-I-Am> thats milli
[29-Oct-2010 13:38:22] <Sam-I-Am> its confusing as hell
[29-Oct-2010 13:38:32] <Sam-I-Am> youd see a M for mega/million
[29-Oct-2010 13:38:54] <tiredofme> sorry, the M is capitalized
[29-Oct-2010 13:39:29] <Sam-I-Am> whats the mib say about that value?
[29-Oct-2010 13:39:44] <tiredofme> it's over WMI, using the WMI MSSQL zenpack
[29-Oct-2010 13:40:18] <Sam-I-Am> can you see what it is directly and compare with what zenoss sees?
[29-Oct-2010 13:40:22] <Sam-I-Am> i've never used wmi
[29-Oct-2010 13:40:35] <tiredofme> i'm thinking that perhaps it has something to do with the WQL statement, totaling the values
[29-Oct-2010 13:41:58] <tiredofme> the value for "database" is right at 64, while RID is in the millions
[29-Oct-2010 13:43:18] <Sam-I-Am> sure theres not a division factor somewhere?
[29-Oct-2010 13:43:38] <tiredofme> SELECT LockRequestsPersec,LockTimeoutsPersec,LockWaitsPersec,LockWaitTimems,NumberofDeadlocksPersec FROM Win32_PerfRawData_MS${dev/zSQLInstance}_${dev/zSQLInstance}Locks where Name="_Total"
[29-Oct-2010 13:43:50] <davetoo> my users have trouble with the RRD auto-scaling units, at times.
[29-Oct-2010 13:44:01] <tiredofme> no formula on the LockWaitTimems data point either
[29-Oct-2010 13:44:10] <Sam-I-Am> davetoo: for graphs which will get confusing, i just write manual graph definitions to fix it.
[29-Oct-2010 13:44:23] <Sam-I-Am> make sure the units wont freak out
[29-Oct-2010 13:44:35] <Sam-I-Am> the m/M being the hugely confusing one here
[29-Oct-2010 13:44:47] <davetoo> exactly
[29-Oct-2010 13:45:50] <tiredofme> hmmm i'm not sure that I know exactly how to do that
[29-Oct-2010 13:46:17] <Sam-I-Am> wish i knew more about graphing wmi stuff
[29-Oct-2010 13:46:24] <Sam-I-Am> not sure if it stuffs the data into an rrdfile or not
[29-Oct-2010 13:47:54] <cgibbons> so... building a new mini server for the LAN. dhcpd/named and zenoss. 2GB RAM. what OS? centos? ubuntu?
[29-Oct-2010 13:48:15] <Sam-I-Am> interesting combination of things
[29-Oct-2010 13:48:24] <Sam-I-Am> 2gb might not work depending on what zenoss is doing
[29-Oct-2010 13:48:28] <davetoo> I'm running zenoss on debian at home 
[29-Oct-2010 13:48:37] <cgibbons> yeah it will, i had one of these before
[29-Oct-2010 13:48:39] <cgibbons> certainly not zippy
[29-Oct-2010 13:48:47] <cgibbons> last one had died a fiery death
[29-Oct-2010 13:48:49] <Sam-I-Am> i'm a debian guy, but here at the office its centos
[29-Oct-2010 13:48:50] <cgibbons> thanks to crappy fan
[29-Oct-2010 13:49:03] <davetoo> What are you monitoring? (I'm guessing this is at home?)
[29-Oct-2010 13:49:29] <Sam-I-Am> while the server guy builds the new vm env, i'm running zenoss in a vm on a mac mini... 1 gig of ram for the vm... its... slooooooo. (10+ minutes to restart zenoss usually)
[29-Oct-2010 13:49:48] <davetoo> I"m only using debian because I need to learn it; if Zenoss ran on FreeBSD I'd be using that 
[29-Oct-2010 13:50:51] <cgibbons> guess i'll use ubuntu...
[29-Oct-2010 13:52:33] <rmatte> davetoo: the only difference between FreeBSD and Linux is really the kernel, and the /proc system
[29-Oct-2010 13:52:47] <rmatte> everything else is handled basically identical
[29-Oct-2010 13:53:21] <rmatte> obviously package management systems vary
[29-Oct-2010 13:54:24] <rmatte> oh, and startup scripts
[29-Oct-2010 13:54:36] <rmatte> no rc.d in linux
[29-Oct-2010 13:54:39] <rmatte> 
[29-Oct-2010 13:54:59] <davetoo> yeah, the problem is that I know far more about FreeBSD than I do about Linux it's various packagings
[29-Oct-2010 13:55:33] <rmatte> If you're transitioning from FreeBSD to Linux, you might want to use Gentoo for a bit
[29-Oct-2010 13:55:58] <rmatte> I used FreeBSD for 5 years before I even touched Linux
[29-Oct-2010 13:56:07] <davetoo> I started with Slackware in 1994
[29-Oct-2010 13:56:17] <rmatte> ah ok, so you do have some experience
[29-Oct-2010 13:56:18] <davetoo> but grew to prefer FreeBSD after a while
[29-Oct-2010 13:56:19] <davetoo> yes
[29-Oct-2010 13:56:24] <Sam-I-Am> heh... yay for 1994
[29-Oct-2010 13:56:28] <cgibbons> slackware and 3 bazillion floppies
[29-Oct-2010 13:56:29] <Sam-I-Am> mine was yggdrasil though
[29-Oct-2010 13:56:33] <rmatte> FreeBSD is nicer as a server OS
[29-Oct-2010 13:56:35] <davetoo> Instlled from a case of floppies, downloaded at work
[29-Oct-2010 13:56:44] <rmatte> though I always got frustrated with the constant compatibility issues
[29-Oct-2010 13:56:48] <rmatte> with both drivers and packages
[29-Oct-2010 13:57:35] <rmatte> When I first started using FreeBSD it required a boot floppy to install, but the actual media was cdrom
[29-Oct-2010 13:57:44] <Sam-I-Am> thats how yggdrasil was
[29-Oct-2010 13:58:27] <rmatte> I only had 56k at the time, so I had my friend in Kingston download it for me and mail me the CD
[29-Oct-2010 13:58:32] <rmatte> 
[29-Oct-2010 13:58:41] <davetoo> ok-- LinkManager: can I use this?  Is it going to stick around?
[29-Oct-2010 13:59:05] <rmatte> Link Manager?
[29-Oct-2010 13:59:16] <davetoo> rmatte: something I found in the ZMI 
[29-Oct-2010 13:59:20] <rmatte> ah
[29-Oct-2010 13:59:30] <rmatte> what does it do?
[29-Oct-2010 13:59:42] <davetoo> well, there aren't a lot of docstrings 
[29-Oct-2010 13:59:47] <davetoo> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/changeset/6013
[29-Oct-2010 14:00:56] <rmatte> hmmmm, OSI layer property
[29-Oct-2010 14:00:58] <rmatte> dependencies?
[29-Oct-2010 14:01:08] <davetoo> I kind of doubt it's being used right now
[29-Oct-2010 14:01:30] <rmatte> probably not
[29-Oct-2010 14:01:34] <rmatte> but that's probably the intention
[29-Oct-2010 14:03:04] <davetoo> maybe I"m wrong about that
[29-Oct-2010 14:03:09] <davetoo> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/browser/tags/zenoss-3.0.3/Products/ZenUtils/NetworkTree.py
[29-Oct-2010 14:03:43] <rmatte> probably has to do with the layer 3 deps
[29-Oct-2010 14:04:13] <davetoo> and/or the animated network map
[29-Oct-2010 14:04:19] <rmatte> that too
[29-Oct-2010 14:04:47] <rmatte> honestly though, I'd prefer a non-animated network map that shows a better overview of the network
[29-Oct-2010 14:48:26] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[29-Oct-2010 15:10:22] <atomic-penguin> Big thanks whoever put the tuning guide in the new installation PDF for v3.0.3
[29-Oct-2010 15:10:39] <atomic-penguin> ...it made such a huge difference
[29-Oct-2010 15:11:36] <rmatte> tuning guide eh? nice
[29-Oct-2010 15:11:57] <rmatte> probably stuff like increasing zope pool size, increasing zenhub workers, etc...?
[29-Oct-2010 15:12:09] <rmatte> memory pool size rather
[29-Oct-2010 15:12:16] <atomic-penguin> rmatte, yep
[29-Oct-2010 15:12:48] <rmatte> yeh, a guide for that stuff has been kicking around on the community site for a while, it's nice that they put it right in the installation guide now
[29-Oct-2010 15:12:49] <atomic-penguin> So I'm kind of stuck on how to toggle winservice/ipservice monitoring on a device class in version 3.x?
[29-Oct-2010 15:13:18] <rmatte> winservice is only enabled if WMI monitoring is enabled
[29-Oct-2010 15:13:21] <atomic-penguin> Say I want to monitor ds-service only on /Devices/Server/Windows/Active Directory
[29-Oct-2010 15:13:27] <rmatte> you can't do that
[29-Oct-2010 15:13:29] <rmatte> it's global
[29-Oct-2010 15:13:42] <rmatte> you define the processes you want to monitor under processes/services sections
[29-Oct-2010 15:13:50] <rmatte> and then it picks them up automatically when modeling
[29-Oct-2010 15:14:29] <atomic-penguin> rmatte, I could do that on v2.5 though, it was rather convenient
[29-Oct-2010 15:15:21] <atomic-penguin> rmatte, so basically, I should do ipservice monitoring on /servers/linux, and winservice monitoring on /servers/windows
[29-Oct-2010 15:15:37] <atomic-penguin> ...and not mix ipservice/winservice monitoring on /servers/windows
[29-Oct-2010 15:16:26] <rmatte> anything you could do in 2.5 you could do in 3.0
[29-Oct-2010 15:16:35] <rmatte> I've never seen a spot to define specific processes on a class
[29-Oct-2010 15:16:42] <cgibbons> except copy templates, since that is the root of all evil
[29-Oct-2010 15:16:50] <cgibbons> (well okay you still can)
[29-Oct-2010 15:16:55] <Parabola> yeah doesnt work very well in 3
[29-Oct-2010 15:17:07] <rmatte> yeh, copy templates or even create templates is a nightmare
[29-Oct-2010 15:17:19] <rmatte> when I try to create a template at the root /Devices level the UI crashes
[29-Oct-2010 15:17:25] <rmatte> and I have to restart Zenoss to get it back
[29-Oct-2010 15:17:27] <cgibbons> d'oh
[29-Oct-2010 15:17:49] <Parabola> lol
[29-Oct-2010 15:17:53] <rmatte> actually, I haven't tried that in 3.0.3 yet, though I'd imagine it'll still do it
[29-Oct-2010 15:18:49] <Parabola> arlight no work to be done right now
[29-Oct-2010 15:18:54] <Parabola> gonna take a break, watch a law and order
[29-Oct-2010 15:18:58] <Parabola> wee
[29-Oct-2010 15:19:19] <davetoo> dangit
[29-Oct-2010 15:19:30] <davetoo> it's hard to get work done when nobody answers my mail 
[29-Oct-2010 15:19:47] <davetoo> I need some more VMs, and I need the snmp strings for the routers 
[29-Oct-2010 15:19:52] ke4qqq_ is now known as ke4qqq
[29-Oct-2010 15:20:05] * davetoo is digging in the zenping and pingtree code
[29-Oct-2010 15:20:13] <rmatte> cgibbons: if they do do a 3.0.4, someone really needs to just go through changing "Override" to copy, and correcting the way the paths are displayed in the dropdown to the full path instead of Whatever in Whatever/Whatever
[29-Oct-2010 15:20:20] <rmatte> also have the dropdown work without having to type anything in
[29-Oct-2010 15:20:24] <cgibbons> fightin  words
[29-Oct-2010 15:20:28] <Simon4> ^^^^^^ what rmatte said
[29-Oct-2010 15:20:28] <rmatte> just those 3 small changes would make a world of difference
[29-Oct-2010 15:20:42] <cgibbons> it needs work for sure
[29-Oct-2010 15:21:22] <rmatte> hmmm, I can create a template under /Devices now
[29-Oct-2010 15:21:24] <cgibbons> but removal of copy to make it override was deliberate. and i'm not gonna rehash the month long discussion we had on that since it would be pointless. feedback has been heard quite loudly  even had some of our presales guy give the same feedback yesterday when trying to copy the oracle template a bunch of times.
[29-Oct-2010 15:21:29] <rmatte> or under "Devices in Devices" as it puts it
[29-Oct-2010 15:21:33] * rmatte cries
[29-Oct-2010 15:22:07] <davetoo> whose Idea was it, then? 
[29-Oct-2010 15:22:13] <davetoo> let us spam them directly 
[29-Oct-2010 15:22:16] <davetoo> (not really)
[29-Oct-2010 15:22:38] <cgibbons> let's blame matt!
[29-Oct-2010 15:22:45] <rmatte> cgibbons: I'm sure there was some lengthy discussion about it, but it just complicates things
[29-Oct-2010 15:22:55] <Simon4> cgibbons: the only time I miss "copy" is when trying to copy the ethernetCsmacd_64 template to "Layer 2 Virtual LAN using 802.1Q_64" so I could remove the errors oids from it
[29-Oct-2010 15:23:08] <Simon4> now I have to create a new template totally manually
[29-Oct-2010 15:23:08] <cgibbons> it would acutally be a lot easier if the feature was finished and didn't have all the bugs it had 
[29-Oct-2010 15:23:10] <cgibbons> er has
[29-Oct-2010 15:24:14] <cgibbons> now if this usb stick doesn't boot i'm throwing something out the window
[29-Oct-2010 15:25:41] * davetoo starts to create a FreeMind map of how the layer3 dependencies work/don't work
[29-Oct-2010 15:27:47] <cgibbons> huh! this mobo can actually take 4gb, not 2gb. well that's annoying.
[29-Oct-2010 15:28:54] <cgibbons> but not annoying enough to go back to fry's
[29-Oct-2010 15:29:33] <davetoo> heh
[29-Oct-2010 15:30:02] <davetoo> Fry's is such a crapshoot
[29-Oct-2010 15:30:15] <cgibbons> like i tweeted earlier, it's vaguely like going to prison
[29-Oct-2010 15:30:32] <davetoo> I'm often convinced that they sell mfr seconds as new; I've had so many DOA devices that were *not* tagged as returns
[29-Oct-2010 15:30:55] <davetoo> I don't like they way they treat their employees here.
[29-Oct-2010 15:31:15] <davetoo> It's like a sweatshop, at least behind the registers.
[29-Oct-2010 15:31:29] <rmatte> Simon4: you can't copy a template to the same place anymore?
[29-Oct-2010 15:32:12] <davetoo> cgibbons: did you ever try to/figure out how to deal, in PyDev, with all the dynamic package resource crap?
[29-Oct-2010 15:32:21] <cgibbons> nope
[29-Oct-2010 15:32:26] <davetoo> heh, ok 
[29-Oct-2010 15:33:00] <davetoo> I feel better now. Maybe I should just forget about code analysis.
[29-Oct-2010 15:33:24] <davetoo> I just like to be able to follow the tooltip links to referenced packages/classes
[29-Oct-2010 15:36:56] <tiredofme> Sam-I-Am: I ended up figuring it out, I believe. I had to set the RPN for the data point to: 100000000,/
[29-Oct-2010 15:37:48] <tiredofme> Sam-I-Am: which now shows me an avg value of 654.29m(little m) which appears to be the lock wait time in miliseconds
[29-Oct-2010 15:38:32] <atomic-penguin> rmatte, ip/win service monitoring may still be toggled at the device, not just the global level.  You could toggle monitoring per service at the device class level in releases prior to 3.x.  There may still be a way to do toggle monitoring at the device class level, its not immediately obvious from the web interface, though.
[29-Oct-2010 15:42:16] <Simon4> rmatte: I failed to find how to do it if you can
[29-Oct-2010 15:42:58] <Sam-I-Am> tiredofme: makes sense
[29-Oct-2010 15:43:48] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: i wound up copying templates in zope
[29-Oct-2010 15:43:57] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: it actually works for a lot of stuff
[29-Oct-2010 15:44:14] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: *nod*
[29-Oct-2010 15:44:39] <Simon4> yeah, I hadn't gotten quite that desperate yet - and was surprised to see what seemed like useful functionality gone
[29-Oct-2010 15:46:10] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, wonder why i'm getting a lot of heartbeat failures for zenrender
[29-Oct-2010 15:51:57] <davetoo> The HelloWorld zenpack needs updating 
[29-Oct-2010 16:10:58] <rocket> Sam-I-Am: is zenrender running?
[29-Oct-2010 16:11:23] <rocket> Sam-I-Am: there is also a possibility of a heartbeat bug in 3.0 .. we are currently evaluating it
[29-Oct-2010 16:12:24] <Sam-I-Am> its running.  this is 2.5.2
[29-Oct-2010 16:12:32] <Sam-I-Am> graphs seem to be coming up fine
[29-Oct-2010 16:12:50] <rocket> check the contents of the heartbeat table in mysql
[29-Oct-2010 16:13:05] <rocket> if the last update time isnt recent thats a problem
[29-Oct-2010 16:13:15] <rocket> otherwise zenactions may be dorked and need a swift kick
[29-Oct-2010 16:14:16] <Sam-I-Am> yep, time is a few days ago
[29-Oct-2010 16:15:13] <rocket> so zenhub isnt receiving a heartbeat event from zenrender
[29-Oct-2010 16:15:18] <Sam-I-Am> hmm... gui says its there... but i cant find the actual process.
[29-Oct-2010 16:17:09] <Sam-I-Am> hmm wtf, zenrender isnt even listed in the list of daemons...
[29-Oct-2010 16:18:00] <rocket> is this on the master?
[29-Oct-2010 16:18:13] <Sam-I-Am> yes
[29-Oct-2010 16:18:21] <davetoo> zenrender does'nt run on the master
[29-Oct-2010 16:18:22] <rocket> clear the heartbeat events.  zenrender wasnt supposed to be running
[29-Oct-2010 16:18:23] <davetoo> well,
[29-Oct-2010 16:18:32] <rocket> someone started it manually I bet
[29-Oct-2010 16:18:38] <rocket> and it updated the heartbeats table
[29-Oct-2010 16:18:53] <davetoo> I forget: I used to run a few devices on the hub localhost collector;
[29-Oct-2010 16:19:02] <davetoo> does that require zenrender?
[29-Oct-2010 16:19:11] <rocket> once that happens you will get heartbeats until that entry is either manually removed from the table ... or you use the ui and clear heartbeats
[29-Oct-2010 16:19:19] <davetoo> i monitored the remote collectors themselves on the hub
[29-Oct-2010 16:19:39] <Simon4> davetoo: no, it doesn't
[29-Oct-2010 16:19:44] <rocket> no zenrender really is just for the remote collectors
[29-Oct-2010 16:19:49] <davetoo> *nod*
[29-Oct-2010 16:20:14] <davetoo> Can you use zenrender to fetch data, rather than a graph?
[29-Oct-2010 16:20:18] <Sam-I-Am> cleared it... lets see if it comes back.
[29-Oct-2010 16:20:28] <Sam-I-Am> i thought it was gone when i cleared all events a few hours ago
[29-Oct-2010 16:21:12] <Simon4> davetoo: I believe so yeah, something like getsummary
[29-Oct-2010 16:21:12] <rocket> davetoo: I believe you can .. I believe its what is used internally to grab data for calculations as well from remote collectors .. if I recall correctly
[29-Oct-2010 16:21:27] <Simon4> there's getRRDValue which gets a single one
[29-Oct-2010 16:21:53] <Sam-I-Am> dammit, heartbeat event came back
[29-Oct-2010 16:22:07] <rocket> is the daemon now running?
[29-Oct-2010 16:22:19] <Sam-I-Am> dont see it
[29-Oct-2010 16:22:23] <Simon4> davetoo: have a look in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenRRD/ZenRender.py
[29-Oct-2010 16:22:29] <Simon4> gah
[29-Oct-2010 16:22:41] <Simon4> davetoo: have a look in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenRRD/RenderServer.py even
[29-Oct-2010 16:23:03] <davetoo> I had, but I think my eyes were glazing over from fatigue when I was looking
[29-Oct-2010 16:23:32] <Simon4> http://pastie.org/1258830
[29-Oct-2010 16:24:12] <Simon4> there's also fetchValues and currentValues, but they don't have comments so aren't exposed by default
[29-Oct-2010 16:24:29] * Simon4 played with this stuff a heap when playing with client-side graphing
[29-Oct-2010 16:26:04] <davetoo> client-side graphing?
[29-Oct-2010 16:26:40] <Simon4> davetoo: I hacked up a proof of concept page that used jquery/flot to graph data from zenoss, updating by using getRRDValue from the renderserver
[29-Oct-2010 16:26:57] <davetoo> What I've done, which is kind of ugly but maybe faster, is to dump the entire RRD to XML  Then I parsed that to get values for MatPlotLib.
[29-Oct-2010 16:27:15] <davetoo> I combined all of the RRAs to get the highest resolution available for a given period
[29-Oct-2010 16:27:40] <Simon4> heh
[29-Oct-2010 16:27:46] <davetoo> was experimental
[29-Oct-2010 16:27:59] <davetoo> helped show people how RRDs worked, though 
[29-Oct-2010 16:28:14] <Sam-I-Am> explaining rrds can be difficult
[29-Oct-2010 16:28:18] <Simon4> I basically wrote a getJsonSummary method in RenderServer.py, so that the client could pull historical data, then just pull updates
[29-Oct-2010 16:28:25] <Simon4> explaining RRD's makes people's brains bleed
[29-Oct-2010 16:28:30] <Simon4> especially if they're middle management
[29-Oct-2010 16:28:39] <davetoo> "Why can't I get the exact value????"
[29-Oct-2010 16:28:55] <Sam-I-Am> its somewhat entertaining watching that happen to mid management
[29-Oct-2010 16:30:57] <Sam-I-Am> the thing here is people dont get avg vs. max consolidation
[29-Oct-2010 16:31:18] <davetoo> right
[29-Oct-2010 16:33:42] <Sam-I-Am> heh, my little test vm is starting to emit smoke
[29-Oct-2010 16:35:47] <Sam-I-Am> going on a bit over 10 mins to restart zenoss
[29-Oct-2010 16:54:49] <Sam-I-Am> well shit, going on 30 minutes to restart zenoss
[29-Oct-2010 16:54:52] <Sam-I-Am> i think this vm is hosed
[29-Oct-2010 16:55:18] <davetoo> heh
[29-Oct-2010 16:57:41] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, think it might be time to grab the fire extinguisher
[29-Oct-2010 16:58:48] <Sam-I-Am> oh, its done.
[29-Oct-2010 16:58:55] <Sam-I-Am> 35 minutes later.
[29-Oct-2010 16:59:15] <davetoo> wow
[29-Oct-2010 16:59:25] <davetoo> which VM platform?
[29-Oct-2010 16:59:40] <Sam-I-Am> vmware... but its running on a mac mini
[29-Oct-2010 16:59:46] <cgibbons> uh
[29-Oct-2010 16:59:49] <cgibbons> ouf
[29-Oct-2010 16:59:50] <davetoo> dangit, I need another lab system at home.
[29-Oct-2010 16:59:58] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: sysmin took the vm lab away for a while
[29-Oct-2010 17:00:08] <Sam-I-Am> this thing is just swapping itself to shit
[29-Oct-2010 17:00:31] <davetoo> I tore apart my ESXi system because I needed a fast PostgreSQL instance, but now I need VMs too
[29-Oct-2010 17:01:08] <davetoo> did it hose the other VM instances or just the one?
[29-Oct-2010 17:01:33] <Sam-I-Am> there is only one... dont think i could squeeze two on here.
[29-Oct-2010 17:01:40] <Sam-I-Am> i was planning to make another vm for a collector but uhh...
[29-Oct-2010 17:01:44] <Sam-I-Am> it might take 4 hours to load
[29-Oct-2010 17:02:49] <mray> I'm checking out of here, when I return I will no longer be the Community Manager… I'll be a civilian
[29-Oct-2010 17:03:08] * mray was going to use a line from Cabin Boy
[29-Oct-2010 17:03:12] <Simon4> mray: farewell! etc
[29-Oct-2010 17:03:14] <theacolyte> mray: Thank for your help over the past couple of years i've known you
[29-Oct-2010 17:03:18] <Sam-I-Am> have a nice life 
[29-Oct-2010 17:03:19] <Simon4> yeah, thanks 
[29-Oct-2010 17:03:21] <theacolyte> virtually at least
[29-Oct-2010 17:03:33] <davetoo> break a leg 
[29-Oct-2010 17:03:36] <mray> thanks all, I'll be be around
[29-Oct-2010 17:03:44] <mray> virtually at least 
[29-Oct-2010 17:03:46] <cgibbons> seeeya soon, matt
[29-Oct-2010 17:09:34] <Gibby> Hey room, just installed zenoss, demoing it for my company to replace our current SNMP monitoring tool... Is zenoss able to auto discovery the file systems and then automatically alert on them based on a default?
[29-Oct-2010 17:13:20] <Sam-I-Am> pretty much
[29-Oct-2010 17:13:38] <Sam-I-Am> might need a little config... but i think theres a default threshold on some stuff
[29-Oct-2010 17:14:08] <Simon4> there's a default filesystem threshold from memory
[29-Oct-2010 17:14:08] <Gibby> ok, i am re-installing it on a more powerful machine, the other one wasn't handling it to well
[29-Oct-2010 17:14:20] <Simon4> so yes, it'll discover filesystems via snmp then monitor/alert on em
[29-Oct-2010 17:14:26] <Gibby> already have demo'd nagios, zabbix and something else... hoping zenoss is where it is at
[29-Oct-2010 17:15:47] <Gibby> i can then customize the alert on each FS tho right?
[29-Oct-2010 17:16:11] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[29-Oct-2010 17:16:31] <Sam-I-Am> its all templatized and based on inheritance.. you can have a default in general, then add more specific things.
[29-Oct-2010 17:16:50] <Gibby> coool... only 1 other concern... Can I have zenoss forward or genergate SNMP traps to another SNMP server/monior? Base on the alerts defined in zenoss?
[29-Oct-2010 17:17:13] <Gibby> Will it recognize and auto monitor a new FS when it is made on a server?
[29-Oct-2010 17:18:49] <Simon4> Gibby: it will after automatic modelling has happened (which by default is every 12 hours but is configurable)
[29-Oct-2010 17:19:18] <Simon4> you could generate traps based on alerts using an event command, which lets you run any given command based on an event filter
[29-Oct-2010 17:19:22] <Gibby> Need to be able to not touch any of the clients we are going to monitor... just want to define network and current readonly SNMP string and it goes magic 
[29-Oct-2010 17:19:35] <Gibby> that might work...
[29-Oct-2010 17:19:43] <Gibby> so what is this automatic modeling?
[29-Oct-2010 17:20:12] <Gibby> when I was playing with it this morning at 2AM could figure out how to monitor a filesystem... on my ubuntu server all it got was the uptime...
[29-Oct-2010 17:21:20] <Simon4> add the server to /devices/Server/Linux
[29-Oct-2010 17:21:35] <Simon4> the device class you put the server into defines how it's monitored, and what things are looked for
[29-Oct-2010 17:21:54] <Gibby> ahh ok....
[29-Oct-2010 17:22:10] <Gibby> if you were close i would offer you a beer!
[29-Oct-2010 17:22:15] <Simon4> heh
[29-Oct-2010 17:22:17] <Simon4> no worries
[29-Oct-2010 17:22:46] <Gibby> I had high hopes for zabbix.. since it has agents... but took to long to set  up just 1 server
[29-Oct-2010 17:23:28] <Simon4> the automatic modelling is how zenoss discovers configuration on devices after they've been added, it runs twice a day and goes looking for things like filesystems, network interfaces, interesting processes and network services, etc
[29-Oct-2010 17:23:56] <Simon4> so if any of that changes on a host zenoss keeps up automatically
[29-Oct-2010 17:24:22] <Gibby> perfect... and there is an option to do a modeling right now?
[29-Oct-2010 17:24:55] <Simon4> yup
[29-Oct-2010 17:25:03] <Simon4> from the gear menu on the bottom left you can pick "model device"
[29-Oct-2010 17:25:35] <Simon4> so with your base install you could drag the ubuntu server into /devices/Server/Linux, then remodel it
[29-Oct-2010 17:25:45] <Simon4> and it should end up with more interesting things being monitored
[29-Oct-2010 17:28:49] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[29-Oct-2010 17:37:34] <Gibby> coool
[29-Oct-2010 17:38:00] <Gibby> going to let the install finish and go rewire the hot tub, i will be back to test after the sun sets
[29-Oct-2010 17:39:05] Gibby is now known as Gibby_away
[29-Oct-2010 18:44:45] <davetoo> boo.
[29-Oct-2010 18:45:42] <davetoo> I did an easy_install Zope2 on my Windows sytem and it's grabbing zope 2.13.something; not that I'm going to run Zenoss on here but I wonder what that will do to PyDev's code analysis
[29-Oct-2010 18:48:47] <sytem> you have windows sytem? 
[29-Oct-2010 18:49:08] <davetoo> It's my main home workstation
[29-Oct-2010 18:49:34] <sytem> i think im not 
[29-Oct-2010 18:49:46] <davetoo> ?
[29-Oct-2010 18:49:59] <davetoo> I have a windows "system", not "sytem" 
[29-Oct-2010 18:50:03] <davetoo> d'oh
[29-Oct-2010 18:50:08] <davetoo> heh
[29-Oct-2010 18:50:12] <davetoo> good way to bring out the lurkers
[29-Oct-2010 18:50:14] <davetoo> make typos
[29-Oct-2010 18:50:37] <sytem> yep, got hilight 
[29-Oct-2010 18:50:42] <davetoo> that would be a fun script 
[29-Oct-2010 18:51:04] <davetoo> hey aclark alamar Apachez baffle 
[29-Oct-2010 18:58:30] <Byshop> I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall.  I'm getting an authentication issue with my new Zenoss installation.  It's throwing an error when trying to access the SNMP for a Windows 2008 web server.  I'm sure there must be some place I need to set a user and password, but I have no idea where it is.  Any suggestions?  Or am I on the wrong track?
[29-Oct-2010 18:59:26] <aclark> davetoo!
[29-Oct-2010 19:08:45] <davetoo> heh, sorry, I was just riffing on bringing out lurkers by making typos that match nicknames
[29-Oct-2010 19:11:19] <aclark> np :-)
[29-Oct-2010 19:14:12] <Byshop> Is anyone around who has a bit of experience setting up windows SNMP to work with Zenoss?
[29-Oct-2010 19:41:17] <Byshop> hrm... ok I got SNMP walk to work, but its still giving me crap about login credentials hrm
[29-Oct-2010 19:45:34] <xuru> damn, just had an esx server go down.  Zenoss is awesome...  sent out an email to all the admins for each machine and even told me that the citrix licensing WMI service hung on boot
[29-Oct-2010 20:00:55] <Byshop> I used wbemtest to make sure the username and password for my zenoss user worked.. and it does.. access the WMI no problem... I'm still getting an error event in ZenOSS, saying it can't connect.
[29-Oct-2010 20:02:02] <xuru> Byshop: is it timing out?  I had that problem and had to increase the timeout
[29-Oct-2010 20:02:24] <Byshop> hrm.. it shouldn't be... but I can try that... I just installed Zenoss and it's only hitting one machine right now
[29-Oct-2010 20:02:42] <Byshop> Could not read the Windows event log (NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED). Check your username/password settings and verify network connectivity.
[29-Oct-2010 20:03:05] <xuru> ah, ok, that is not it then
[29-Oct-2010 20:03:33] <xuru> Byshop: try it from the command line on your zenoss server
[29-Oct-2010 20:04:07] <Byshop> hrm... how do you mean?
[29-Oct-2010 20:04:14] <Byshop> let me rephrase... 
[29-Oct-2010 20:04:31] <Byshop> Connect to eh WMI from command line with what?
[29-Oct-2010 20:04:45] <xuru> what OS are you running zenoss in?
[29-Oct-2010 20:04:49] <Byshop> <-- installed ZenOSS today
[29-Oct-2010 20:04:55] <Byshop> Centos 5.5
[29-Oct-2010 20:05:06] <xuru> ok, ssh into the machine
[29-Oct-2010 20:05:21] <xuru> log in as root
[29-Oct-2010 20:05:27] <Byshop> worked
[29-Oct-2010 20:05:31] <xuru>  then 'su - zenoss'
[29-Oct-2010 20:05:41] <xuru> so that you're logged in as the zenoss user
[29-Oct-2010 20:05:50] <xuru> then do the following:
[29-Oct-2010 20:06:31] <xuru> wmic -U "domain/user%password" //machine.domain.com "SELECT * FROM Win32_PerfFormattedData"
[29-Oct-2010 20:06:43] <xuru> or whatever select you want to make
[29-Oct-2010 20:07:45] <Byshop> 1 sec
[29-Oct-2010 20:07:53] <Byshop> crap loads of data 
[29-Oct-2010 20:08:11] <xuru> then it worked
[29-Oct-2010 20:08:26] <xuru> you could also do "Select * from Win32_ComputerSystem"
[29-Oct-2010 20:08:29] <Byshop> right.. so... I must be screing something up in the config then...
[29-Oct-2010 20:08:32] <xuru> which will be a nice short list
[29-Oct-2010 20:08:39] <xuru> yeah
[29-Oct-2010 20:09:28] <xuru> for me I set zWinUser and zWinPassword
[29-Oct-2010 20:09:33] <Byshop> I'm using the zWinPassword and yeah..
[29-Oct-2010 20:09:35] <Byshop> that
[29-Oct-2010 20:09:48] <xuru> the user I put in domain/username
[29-Oct-2010 20:09:52] <Byshop> right
[29-Oct-2010 20:10:05] <xuru> zWmiMonitorIgnore == false?
[29-Oct-2010 20:10:13] <Byshop> no thats True
[29-Oct-2010 20:10:15] <Byshop> big deal?
[29-Oct-2010 20:10:37] <xuru> should be false to "not ignore" it
[29-Oct-2010 20:10:56] <Byshop> yay for double negatives
[29-Oct-2010 20:11:03] <xuru> yeah, no shit
[29-Oct-2010 20:11:23] <xuru> what template are you using?
[29-Oct-2010 20:11:30] <Byshop> ok, so I can do it from a windows box.. I can do it from the command line on the zenoss machine
[29-Oct-2010 20:11:41] <Byshop> Device (/Server/Windows)
[29-Oct-2010 20:11:58] <xuru> did you bind a template?
[29-Oct-2010 20:12:06] <Byshop> ummm...
[29-Oct-2010 20:12:24] <xuru> what I usually do is put all the windows boxes in /server/windows
[29-Oct-2010 20:12:33] <xuru> then select that in the device tree
[29-Oct-2010 20:12:37] <Byshop> I'm trying to get one working before I roll this out
[29-Oct-2010 20:12:53] <Byshop> Isn't it bound to a template by default?
[29-Oct-2010 20:12:53] <xuru> ok, then select the device you want to test
[29-Oct-2010 20:13:11] <xuru> if you put it where the template maker whats it to be
[29-Oct-2010 20:13:28] <xuru> for WMI they want it in /CIM/WMI usually
[29-Oct-2010 20:14:08] <xuru> I think WMIDevice is /server/windows now actually
[29-Oct-2010 20:14:24] <xuru> anyway, go to the device you want to test it on
[29-Oct-2010 20:14:28] <Byshop> ok
[29-Oct-2010 20:14:46] <xuru> click on the gear menu
[29-Oct-2010 20:14:55] <Byshop> ok
[29-Oct-2010 20:14:57] <xuru> and select bind template
[29-Oct-2010 20:15:34] <xuru> select WMIDevice on the left and hit the right arrow to move it to the selected side
[29-Oct-2010 20:15:44] <Byshop> it's not on the left... hrm
[29-Oct-2010 20:16:08] <xuru> are you on 3.0.3?
[29-Oct-2010 20:16:14] <Byshop> actually my left box is empty... I have /Server/Windows/ in the right box
[29-Oct-2010 20:16:20] <Byshop> yes
[29-Oct-2010 20:16:35] <xuru> did you install any zenpacks?
[29-Oct-2010 20:16:47] <Byshop> I'm going to assume.. no
[29-Oct-2010 20:16:57] <xuru> hehe
[29-Oct-2010 20:17:02] <xuru> ok, sorry about that
[29-Oct-2010 20:17:04] <Byshop> but I still have this authentication issue
[29-Oct-2010 20:17:16] <Byshop> it's trying to pull basin information
[29-Oct-2010 20:17:19] <Byshop> basic*
[29-Oct-2010 20:17:31] <Byshop> sysUpTime etc
[29-Oct-2010 20:17:54] <xuru> are you sure it's WMI and not SNMP?
[29-Oct-2010 20:18:06] <Byshop> I have both configured
[29-Oct-2010 20:18:13] <xuru> sysUpTime is SNMP
[29-Oct-2010 20:18:16] <Byshop> right
[29-Oct-2010 20:18:40] <xuru> you can go back to your commandline on the zenoss box and do a snmpwalk to see if it's getting through
[29-Oct-2010 20:18:42] <Byshop> but my error is from /Status/WMI
[29-Oct-2010 20:18:51] <xuru> strange
[29-Oct-2010 20:18:55] <Byshop> snmpwalk is getting through the command line AND from the web interface
[29-Oct-2010 20:19:12] <xuru> I didn't thing it did any WMI without installing a zenpack
[29-Oct-2010 20:19:30] <xuru> ok, do this
[29-Oct-2010 20:19:39] <xuru> click on Advanced
[29-Oct-2010 20:19:43] <xuru> in the top bar
[29-Oct-2010 20:19:55] <xuru> and "Monitoring Templates" in the secondary bar
[29-Oct-2010 20:20:08] <xuru> those are all your available templates
[29-Oct-2010 20:20:15] <Byshop> ok
[29-Oct-2010 20:20:23] <xuru> is there any that start with WMI?
[29-Oct-2010 20:20:33] <Byshop> nope
[29-Oct-2010 20:21:02] <xuru> and you're seeing this error in the events view?
[29-Oct-2010 20:21:11] <Byshop> yes
[29-Oct-2010 20:21:46] <xuru> if you double click on the event in the event console, it will bring up a windows and show you more information
[29-Oct-2010 20:21:58] <Byshop> yep
[29-Oct-2010 20:22:12] <xuru> what is the component?
[29-Oct-2010 20:22:40] <Byshop> zeneventlog
[29-Oct-2010 20:22:48] <xuru> ah ha
[29-Oct-2010 20:23:03] <Byshop> Could not read the Windows event log (NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED). Check your username/password settings and verify network connectivity.
[29-Oct-2010 20:23:04] <xuru> that event is coming out of the windows event log on that machine
[29-Oct-2010 20:23:30] <xuru> oh
[29-Oct-2010 20:23:32] <Byshop> hrm
[29-Oct-2010 20:23:33] <xuru> hmm
[29-Oct-2010 20:23:54] <Byshop> using the exact same username and password that works from wbmtest and the command line test we tried
[29-Oct-2010 20:24:01] <xuru> you're right, when you turn on the zeneventlog it tries to read the even log through wmi
[29-Oct-2010 20:24:27] <xuru> I'm not sure that these events get cleared on thier own
[29-Oct-2010 20:24:36] <xuru> try clearing it, and see if it comes back
[29-Oct-2010 20:24:44] <Byshop> I did.. it's up to 33 repeats now 
[29-Oct-2010 20:25:15] <Byshop> I'm SURE it's something I'm doing wrong.. I just can't figure out what that is
[29-Oct-2010 20:25:33] <xuru> ok, do this
[29-Oct-2010 20:25:43] <xuru> at the command line again as zenoss:
[29-Oct-2010 20:25:54] <xuru> zeneventlog run -v10 -d machinenameorIP
[29-Oct-2010 20:26:15] <xuru> -v10 means verbosity level 10 (i.e. debug)
[29-Oct-2010 20:26:28] <Byshop> ok
[29-Oct-2010 20:26:39] <xuru> maybe that will give you more info
[29-Oct-2010 20:26:52] <davetoo> What it really means is that it lowers the logging threshold from the default '30'
[29-Oct-2010 20:26:54] <davetoo> down to '10
[29-Oct-2010 20:27:01] <davetoo> it
[29-Oct-2010 20:27:04] <davetoo> is confusing 
[29-Oct-2010 20:27:15] <davetoo> so -v20 gives you *less* info, not more
[29-Oct-2010 20:27:21] <xuru> yeah 
[29-Oct-2010 20:27:23] <Byshop> hmm.. several erros
[29-Oct-2010 20:27:33] <Byshop> NT_STATUS_NET_WRITE_DEFAULT
[29-Oct-2010 20:27:35] <Byshop> err
[29-Oct-2010 20:27:36] <Byshop> FAULT
[29-Oct-2010 20:27:51] <Byshop> oh crap
[29-Oct-2010 20:27:56] <Byshop> shoot me now
[29-Oct-2010 20:27:59] <xuru> lol
[29-Oct-2010 20:28:00] <Byshop> I think I know what the problem is
[29-Oct-2010 20:28:08] <Byshop> wanna guess?
[29-Oct-2010 20:28:19] <xuru> firewall?
[29-Oct-2010 20:28:24] <Byshop> yeah... I think so
[29-Oct-2010 20:28:25] <xuru> no...
[29-Oct-2010 20:28:30] <xuru> hehe
[29-Oct-2010 20:28:36] <Byshop> let me try that
[29-Oct-2010 20:28:50] <xuru> let me guess 2008?
[29-Oct-2010 20:29:02] <Byshop> yeah 2008 webserver.. locks itself out
[29-Oct-2010 20:29:10] * xuru nods
[29-Oct-2010 20:29:57] <xuru> sorry, I have to run
[29-Oct-2010 20:29:57] <Byshop> any idea where to allow WMI?
[29-Oct-2010 20:30:01] <Byshop> no worries
[29-Oct-2010 20:30:06] <Byshop> thank you for all your help!
[29-Oct-2010 20:30:11] <xuru> np
[29-Oct-2010 20:30:23] <davetoo> search the list archives;
[29-Oct-2010 20:30:25] <xuru> if you open the manage your server thingy
[29-Oct-2010 20:30:36] <davetoo> I haven't really used WMI but it's been discussed a lot
[29-Oct-2010 20:30:43] <Byshop> I'll look for it.. thank you again!
[29-Oct-2010 20:30:48] <xuru> np
[29-Oct-2010 20:54:49] <Byshop> holy crap
[29-Oct-2010 20:54:52] <Byshop> you've got to be kidding me
[29-Oct-2010 20:55:20] <Byshop> I've spent 3 hours trying to solve this. and I found an obscure article somewhere that points out that if you have a $ or an @ in the password it won't authenticate
[29-Oct-2010 21:15:41] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, just tested an account and it works... its using an ldap backend though
[29-Oct-2010 21:16:30] <Byshop> as soon as I took the @ out of the password it worked perfectly
[29-Oct-2010 21:17:13] <Byshop> so random
[29-Oct-2010 21:19:41] <Sam-I-Am> what ver?
[29-Oct-2010 21:20:05] <Byshop> zen? 3.0.3  windows server 2008
[29-Oct-2010 21:21:54] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, wonder if its a windows thing
[29-Oct-2010 21:21:59] <Byshop> oh.. yeah it is
[29-Oct-2010 21:22:18] <Byshop> WMI authentication gets irritable if your password has a $ or @ in it
[29-Oct-2010 21:22:30] <Byshop> throws an unable to bind to UID 49b..... etc
[29-Oct-2010 21:22:40] <Sam-I-Am> sweet
[29-Oct-2010 21:22:59] <Byshop> how random is that?
[29-Oct-2010 21:23:10] <Sam-I-Am> not sure, i dont use windows
[29-Oct-2010 21:23:20] <Byshop> must be nice 
[29-Oct-2010 21:23:28] <Byshop> I'm in a HUGE mixed environment
[29-Oct-2010 21:24:04] <Sam-I-Am> i'm actually a network engineer... i monitor network hardware.  the sysadmin does all the systems monitoring 
[29-Oct-2010 21:24:16] <Sam-I-Am> i spend a lot of time with snmp and performance graphs
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[29-Oct-2010 21:24:37] <Gibby> hmm, just installed zenoss... i point to my IP and port 8080... but nothing....
[29-Oct-2010 21:25:02] <Byshop> started the service?
[29-Oct-2010 21:25:03] <Sam-I-Am> did you start it?
[29-Oct-2010 21:25:08] <Gibby> yep
[29-Oct-2010 21:25:15] <Gibby> verified with ps -ef|grep zenoss
[29-Oct-2010 21:25:15] <Byshop> firewall?
[29-Oct-2010 21:25:33] <Gibby> yes this is the tricky part... i installed it on a Untangle... which is actually Debian Lenny
[29-Oct-2010 21:25:37] <Sam-I-Am> also make sure mysql started before zenoss did
[29-Oct-2010 21:25:43] <Byshop> what Sam said
[29-Oct-2010 21:25:49] <Gibby> doesn't zenoss start mysql?
[29-Oct-2010 21:26:01] <Byshop> its supposed to, but if it failed
[29-Oct-2010 21:26:05] <Byshop> Zenoss might fail
[29-Oct-2010 21:26:27] <Sam-I-Am> zenoss does not start mysql... the init scripts of the OS do
[29-Oct-2010 21:26:54] <Sam-I-Am> for my boxes i generally let mysql start at boot but not zenoss... make sure everything is happy, then manually start zenoss
[29-Oct-2010 21:29:06] <Gibby> hmm, i would have thought mysql would have got installed when i installed zenoss... i don't have an init script for mysql
[29-Oct-2010 21:29:54] <Sam-I-Am> its probably installed... question is... did it start?
[29-Oct-2010 21:29:58] <Sam-I-Am> or if this is even the problem
[29-Oct-2010 21:30:02] <Sam-I-Am> ps -ef | grep mysql
[29-Oct-2010 21:30:30] <Gibby> got 2, they are /usr/local/zenoss/mysql/bin/mysqld.bin and /usr/local/zenoss/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe
[29-Oct-2010 21:30:47] <Gibby> i would think it is the apache2 config somewhere
[29-Oct-2010 21:30:49] <Sam-I-Am> netstat -an | grep 8080
[29-Oct-2010 21:30:57] <Sam-I-Am> there is no apache... its the zope web server
[29-Oct-2010 21:31:05] <Sam-I-Am> you can wrap it with apache, but thats separate
[29-Oct-2010 21:31:31] <Gibby> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:8080            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
[29-Oct-2010 21:32:15] <Gibby> how do i tell zope to run on only 1 interface?
[29-Oct-2010 21:33:32] <Sam-I-Am> not sure
[29-Oct-2010 21:33:39] <Sam-I-Am> sounds like you might have a firewall issue though
[29-Oct-2010 21:35:11] <Gibby> there is no firewall between the computer i am on and zenoss, just 2 switches
[29-Oct-2010 21:35:25] <Sam-I-Am> you sure?  is iptables -L blank?
[29-Oct-2010 21:35:26] <aclark> Gibby: you configure zope.conf, typically… (which is a file created along with the zope instances)
[29-Oct-2010 21:35:45] <Gibby> aclark, found the zope.conf thanks
[29-Oct-2010 21:35:52] <aclark> still, listening on 0.0.0.0 means it's taking all comers :-)
[29-Oct-2010 21:36:53] <Gibby> but it won't interfece with apache2 already running?
[29-Oct-2010 21:37:08] <Sam-I-Am> assuming apache is on port 80, no
[29-Oct-2010 21:37:14] <aclark> Gibby: not unless you configure mod_rewrite
[29-Oct-2010 21:37:44] <Sam-I-Am> aclark: dont you need mod_proxy to wrap apache around zope?
[29-Oct-2010 21:39:14] <aclark> Sam-I-Am: errr, yeah typically mod_rewrite which relies on mod_proxy e.g. in your vhost: http://dpaste.com/266809/
[29-Oct-2010 21:39:38] <Gibby> tcpdump show port 8080 requests coming in
[29-Oct-2010 21:41:10] <Sam-I-Am> do you get a tcp reset back or do the packets just fall into oblivion?
[29-Oct-2010 21:41:49] <Gibby> nothing gets sent back.. i think it is somewhere in the Untangle config.. I checked with Untangle noone has yet to put the 2 on the same server
[29-Oct-2010 21:42:02] <Sam-I-Am> what is untangle?
[29-Oct-2010 21:42:52] <Gibby> basically a firewall built on debian
[29-Oct-2010 21:43:02] <Sam-I-Am> well, theres a firewall running on it then, no?
[29-Oct-2010 21:43:07] <Sam-I-Am> iptables -L
[29-Oct-2010 21:43:15] <Sam-I-Am> if theres more than about 3 lines, theres a firewall running
[29-Oct-2010 21:43:44] <aclark> heh
[29-Oct-2010 21:44:02] <Gibby> http://pastebin.com/nUA2uf5G
[29-Oct-2010 21:44:54] <Sam-I-Am> so try /etc/init.d/iptables stop
[29-Oct-2010 21:45:05] <Sam-I-Am> then try the web server on 8080
[29-Oct-2010 21:46:39] <Gibby> don't have an iptables in init
[29-Oct-2010 21:48:58] <Sam-I-Am> iptables -F should clear the firewall
[29-Oct-2010 21:49:13] <Sam-I-Am> i'm not sure what all untangled is doing
[29-Oct-2010 21:49:15] <Gibby> do i really want to do that on my firewall?
[29-Oct-2010 21:49:30] <Sam-I-Am> however, running a monitoring app on a firewall is... maybe not a good idea.
[29-Oct-2010 21:49:43] <Sam-I-Am> well, if you can figure out where it sets firewall rules, allow outside access to port 8080
[29-Oct-2010 21:50:49] <Gibby> that is what i am looking at now...
[29-Oct-2010 21:50:55] <Sam-I-Am> disabling the firewall would be a temporary thing just to see if its the problem
[29-Oct-2010 21:52:15] <Gibby> trying to find where to disable it at
[29-Oct-2010 21:52:37] <Sam-I-Am> well, i need to wander off...
[29-Oct-2010 21:52:45] <Sam-I-Am> chances are its your problem
[29-Oct-2010 21:52:55] <Gibby> lol
[29-Oct-2010 21:53:20] <aclark> yup especially if you can't telnet to port 8080 from the remote host
[29-Oct-2010 21:53:30] <Sam-I-Am> telnetting to localhost port 8080 from the firewall itself might tell you if zenoss is listening there
[29-Oct-2010 21:53:41] <Sam-I-Am> that sort of thing should avoid the firewall
[29-Oct-2010 21:54:00] <aclark> true
[29-Oct-2010 21:54:27] <Gibby> got it 
[29-Oct-2010 21:54:39] <Gibby> put it in the bypass filters section of Untangle
[29-Oct-2010 21:55:25] <Gibby> wierd tho, i went and looked at what others had to do to install stuff like webmin and ntop on an untangle machine... never referenced bypassing the port
[29-Oct-2010 21:56:50] <aclark> that's because port 80 is open
[29-Oct-2010 21:57:14] <Gibby> well ntop is using port 4000....
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[30-Oct-2010 08:43:57] <kedavra> hello, guys. can i fins somewhere info on how to monitor if VNC is enabled on machine or not?
[30-Oct-2010 08:44:27] <Simon4> kedavra: you could create an IP service check that checks the VNC port
[30-Oct-2010 08:44:51] <Simon4> then after modelling you'll be able to see under that IP Service check's details which machines have it enabled
[30-Oct-2010 08:46:03] <kedavra> Simon4: so nothing specific. ok, thanks, i'll try it right now.
[30-Oct-2010 08:46:10] <kedavra> special*
[30-Oct-2010 08:46:38] <Simon4> yeah, you could also check for the vnc server process using a process check - is up to you and your environment really which is easiest/best
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[30-Oct-2010 10:48:10] <kedavra1> does anybody knows why name of ipservice is added as "tcp_0xxxx", where xxxx - port?
[30-Oct-2010 10:48:47] <kedavra1> i have set another name for this ipService
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[30-Oct-2010 10:58:29] <Gibby2> So for some reason after I model.. I get nothing under Components... woke up this morning and now it is populated.... Where do I change the individual thresholds at? The online docs are detailed enough, is the Wiki better?
[30-Oct-2010 11:49:41] <Gibby_2> How do I change the alert threshold for just 1 filesytem on only 1 server? Can I make it so it has be above a certain percentage and only say 1G free?
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[30-Oct-2010 14:32:29] <zykes-> pingtree is  ?
[30-Oct-2010 14:32:57] <zykes-> nvm.
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[30-Oct-2010 15:46:18] <Gibby_2> Trying to follow post message/46582 the 2nd reply... However I don't have a device page
[30-Oct-2010 15:49:22] <Orv> That was pre-3.0.  It's Infrastructure now.
[30-Oct-2010 15:57:11] <Gibby_2> Ahh ok, got it, I click on my FS i want to change the threshold on, but i don't have a copy anywhere
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[30-Oct-2010 15:59:07] <Orv> You have to create a local copy, down at the bottom, iirc.
[30-Oct-2010 15:59:17] <Orv> (don't have access to a system at the moment to look at it)
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[30-Oct-2010 16:26:27] <Gibby_2> ok, I see it....
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[30-Oct-2010 19:00:46] <davetoo> hmm
[30-Oct-2010 19:00:50] <davetoo> this can't be right
[30-Oct-2010 19:01:07] <davetoo> checking out zenoss-3.0.x branch from svn, it's at 817MB
[30-Oct-2010 19:04:46] <davetoo> maybe it is...
[30-Oct-2010 19:04:46] <davetoo> wow
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[30-Oct-2010 21:13:57] <Gibby_2> So there is not quick way to change the threshold level per FS? or Make it with an AND statement?
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[31-Oct-2010 08:47:55] <kiall> Hiya, trying to setup some windows servers with zenoss, zeneventlog is giving errors access denied errors for the windows event log, yet other WMI stuff and the wmic command seem to work. any ideas?
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[31-Oct-2010 10:10:34] <kiall> nobody around and monitoring windows servers via Zenoss?
[31-Oct-2010 11:25:53] <Parabola> Yes yes
[31-Oct-2010 11:26:00] <Parabola> WMI or SNMP
[31-Oct-2010 11:26:17] <Parabola> lol, we need powershell montioring
[31-Oct-2010 11:30:52] <kiall> Parabola: WMI
[31-Oct-2010 11:31:41] <kiall> strangely, i added a few more and there working perfectly .. then i deleted the 2 original servers and re-added .. same errors .. then deleted rebooted zenoss, and readded - now they work perfectly :
[31-Oct-2010 11:31:59] <kiall> deleted, rebooted zenoss*
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[31-Oct-2010 12:02:37] <Parabola> its buggy yes
[31-Oct-2010 12:02:45] <Parabola> i find that renaming a device then remodeling will fix it too
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[31-Oct-2010 23:14:49] <danryan> hi folks, I just received ~250 emails and text messages because my zenoss install believed that everything was down; nothing was.  This is the 3rd or fourth time in the last month this has occurred
[31-Oct-2010 23:15:27] <danryan> I'm stumped as to what the problem is. The last alert in the event history was "localhost zenactions heartbeat failure"
[31-Oct-2010 23:16:33] <danryan> where do I even begin looking?
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