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[01-Dec-2010 05:49:46] <Weetos> Hey there. Just discovered something weird : I have a device with no graphs for the ethernetCsmacd templates (there are no rrd files in the directories corresponding to the interfaces either)
[01-Dec-2010 05:50:56] <Weetos> I can snmpwalk the values without any problem, but somehow zenoss won't graph the values for that devices. Other devices in the same device class don't have this problem
[01-Dec-2010 05:51:11] <Weetos> any clue ?
[01-Dec-2010 05:52:51] <Weetos> I guess deleting and re-discover the device may help, but the 'microsoft-like' way to resolve problems is not my favorite by far - I need to understand what is causing this problem
[01-Dec-2010 06:10:18] <Simon4> try remodelling the device
[01-Dec-2010 06:31:28] <Weetos> Hi Simon4. I already tried that, but it doesn't seem to make any difference : still no RRDs
[01-Dec-2010 06:32:58] <Simon4> Weetos: when you look at the device does it actually show the interfaces are there?
[01-Dec-2010 06:33:21] <Weetos> yes it does
[01-Dec-2010 06:33:34] <Simon4> is zenperfsnmp running?
[01-Dec-2010 06:34:10] <Weetos> yet it is, first thing I checked  other devices are normally graphed
[01-Dec-2010 06:34:23] <Simon4> I had to ask 
[01-Dec-2010 06:34:47] <Weetos> np 
[01-Dec-2010 06:38:23] <Simon4> Weetos: the other thing to try is a "Push Changes" if you haven't for the device
[01-Dec-2010 06:38:37] <Weetos> zenperfsnmp's log shows 7 failures, all related to a few currently down devices, so nothing unusual here
[01-Dec-2010 06:38:47] * Simon4 backspaces about the logs 
[01-Dec-2010 06:39:03] <Weetos> 
[01-Dec-2010 06:39:27] <Weetos> I did "Push Changes" as well, to no avail
[01-Dec-2010 06:40:28] <Weetos> It seems like zenperfsnmp is not asked to collect data from this device
[01-Dec-2010 06:41:33] <Weetos> one more info, I have no CPU and RAM graphs for this device either
[01-Dec-2010 06:41:50] <Simon4> you ccould try restarting zenperfsnmp for sure
[01-Dec-2010 06:41:55] <Simon4> since that'll force a config reload
[01-Dec-2010 06:42:10] <Weetos> Ok I'm gonna try that
[01-Dec-2010 06:43:25] <Weetos> before the restart, I tail the log to see if the query counter is increased after the restart
[01-Dec-2010 06:43:39] <Simon4> plan
[01-Dec-2010 06:44:31] <Weetos> 276 devices queried before the restart
[01-Dec-2010 06:46:39] <Weetos> ha.. 289 devices configured at startup 
[01-Dec-2010 06:46:48] <Simon4> sounds healthier
[01-Dec-2010 06:46:49] <Weetos> looks like something good happened !
[01-Dec-2010 06:47:28] <Weetos> I guess I'll see when the next cycle is completed
[01-Dec-2010 06:48:04] <Weetos> Anyway thanks for the help so far, Simon4
[01-Dec-2010 06:48:10] <Simon4> no worries
[01-Dec-2010 06:48:47] <Weetos> Every time I have a problem on my zenoss server, you're there to the rescue 
[01-Dec-2010 06:51:09] <Weetos> hum the cycle completed showing 276 queries
[01-Dec-2010 06:52:06] <Weetos> looks like 13 devices among the 289 configured at startup aren't queried during the cycles
[01-Dec-2010 06:52:20] <Weetos> that's weird
[01-Dec-2010 06:53:22] <kokey> i don't get this....
[01-Dec-2010 06:53:40] <kokey> so i had these file systems that were NFS mounts
[01-Dec-2010 06:53:56] <kokey> and was getting alerts from all the systems that mounted it
[01-Dec-2010 06:54:08] <kokey> so i changed the snmp config and remodelled and it skips those file systems
[01-Dec-2010 06:54:17] <kokey> but it still reports alerts for it
[01-Dec-2010 06:55:31] <Simon4> kokey: is it just that they haven't been cleared?
[01-Dec-2010 06:55:39] <Simon4> (check the last time for the alert)
[01-Dec-2010 06:57:16] <kokey> last seen is like a minute ago
[01-Dec-2010 07:10:11] <kokey> yeah it's still at it
[01-Dec-2010 07:11:48] <Simon4> kokey: try a push changes
[01-Dec-2010 07:11:53] <Simon4> or a zenperfsnmp restart
[01-Dec-2010 07:12:00] <Simon4> (I'm a broken record today!)
[01-Dec-2010 07:12:09] <Weetos> 
[01-Dec-2010 07:13:09] <kokey> hehe
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[01-Dec-2010 07:17:41] <froztbyte> razed (one of my coworkers) is a strong believer in the "if force doesn't work, you're not using enough" policy
[01-Dec-2010 07:24:40] <kokey> it's as smart as 'if the cat doesn't understand what you are saying, speak louder' policy
[01-Dec-2010 07:25:00] <kokey> i dated someone who seemed to think that
[01-Dec-2010 07:25:12] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[01-Dec-2010 07:25:23] <kokey> i had to explain the difference between language comprehension and being a 4 month old cat
[01-Dec-2010 07:30:32] <kokey> Simon4: push changes didn't seem to help but a zenperfsnmp restart is looking like it's doing the trick
[01-Dec-2010 07:31:41] <kokey> Weetos: you also running 3.0.3?
[01-Dec-2010 07:33:15] <Weetos> no, I run 2.5.2 on my main zenoss server - I'm testing 3.0.3 aside
[01-Dec-2010 07:33:47] <Simon4> kokey: zenperfsnmp (and the other daemons) cache their config that they get from the zenhub
[01-Dec-2010 07:34:05] <Simon4> push changes is supposed to remind the daemons to check/refresh that config, but occasionally it doesn't work
[01-Dec-2010 07:34:11] <Simon4> hence the restart definitely fixing it
[01-Dec-2010 07:35:51] <kokey> aaah
[01-Dec-2010 07:36:04] <kokey> thanks i was about to ask why
[01-Dec-2010 07:36:19] <kokey> i don't mind doing thngs that would rescan and rebuild stuff from scratch
[01-Dec-2010 07:39:08] <Simon4> *nod*
[01-Dec-2010 07:39:10] * Simon4 lunches
[01-Dec-2010 07:47:07] <froztbyte> 12/01 14:25:23 < kokey> i had to explain the difference between language comprehension and being a 4 month old cat
[01-Dec-2010 07:47:11] <froztbyte> 
[01-Dec-2010 08:03:03] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[01-Dec-2010 09:11:35] <Weetos> Simon4> Well still no graph for my device, I'm gonna delete it and add it again
[01-Dec-2010 09:11:47] <Simon4> Weetos: that's very fruity
[01-Dec-2010 09:12:18] <Weetos> too bad I didn't understand what could have lead to this situation
[01-Dec-2010 09:12:42] <Simon4> Weetos: have you tried restartnig zenoss fully?
[01-Dec-2010 09:13:12] <Weetos> Simon4> you're right, I should try
[01-Dec-2010 09:13:33] <Simon4> just a random thought - the zenhub is what gives out the config to zenperfsnmp, so maybe that's confused
[01-Dec-2010 09:14:39] <Weetos> makes sense
[01-Dec-2010 09:15:35] <Weetos> do you know if a zenoss process reloads its config when  it's given a HUP signal ?
[01-Dec-2010 09:16:06] <Weetos> I guess the best way to test that is by actually doing it 
[01-Dec-2010 09:16:17] <Simon4> yeah, I dunno
[01-Dec-2010 09:17:56] <Weetos> well doesn't seem to work
[01-Dec-2010 09:18:34] <Weetos> ok Zenoss restarted, I'm going wait for a little while to see if RRDs are created
[01-Dec-2010 09:20:57] <chachan> Hi guys, I'm still having problem with my SNMP, I looks like there's not problem but the alerts still doesn't clear
[01-Dec-2010 09:22:07] <chachan> I increased the level of zenperfsnmp I can't see anything weird
[01-Dec-2010 09:22:16] <Weetos> chachan> What say the alerts ? SNMP Errors ?
[01-Dec-2010 09:22:23] <chachan> snmpwalk works from zenoss and from local
[01-Dec-2010 09:22:35] <chachan> Alerts says "SNMP is down"
[01-Dec-2010 09:22:56] <chachan> "SNMP agent down"*
[01-Dec-2010 09:23:41] <Weetos> you may want to perform a tcpdump on the zenoss server and see what OIDs are being queried
[01-Dec-2010 09:24:32] <Weetos> Have you checked Zenoss uses the right SNMP community ?
[01-Dec-2010 09:25:36] <Weetos> using a wrong community leads to no response from the queried device, so that could be what you're experiencing
[01-Dec-2010 09:25:42] <chachan> It works somethings, somethings it clears the alert
[01-Dec-2010 09:25:53] <chachan> sometimes*
[01-Dec-2010 09:25:54] <chachan> sorry
[01-Dec-2010 09:26:14] <chachan> it works sometimes
[01-Dec-2010 09:27:26] <chachan> I checked the community and it's the same
[01-Dec-2010 09:27:43] <Weetos> run tcpdump and you'll see what's causing the alerts
[01-Dec-2010 09:27:55] <chachan> Ok, let me see
[01-Dec-2010 09:29:22] <Weetos> if you have a large amount of device, you may have to use a filter so your trafic capture shows only the device you're interested in
[01-Dec-2010 09:29:35] <Simon4> you'll want to anyway if you're ssh'ed in 
[01-Dec-2010 09:29:50] <Weetos>  Yeah
[01-Dec-2010 09:29:59] <Simon4> nothing like the hall of mirrors tcpdump 
[01-Dec-2010 09:30:24] <Weetos> something like "tcpdump -nieth0 udp port snmp and host yourdevice"
[01-Dec-2010 09:31:54] <chachan> Weetos, yep, well I'm usign " | grep device-name"
[01-Dec-2010 09:32:19] <chachan> I see traffic, but nothing weird so far, I'll wait a little more
[01-Dec-2010 09:32:36] <Weetos> ensure you have a reply for each query
[01-Dec-2010 09:35:30] <Weetos> Simon4> still nothing... I'm left with the plan B :/
[01-Dec-2010 09:35:46] <Simon4> Weetos: fancy testing something?
[01-Dec-2010 09:35:50] <chachan> Weetos, It looks right
[01-Dec-2010 09:36:17] <chachan> zenoss sent a request and device responses it
[01-Dec-2010 09:36:50] <Simon4> Weetos: try this in zendmd and see what you get back
[01-Dec-2010 09:36:51] <Simon4> from Products.ZenHub.services.SnmpPerfConfig import getDeviceConfig
[01-Dec-2010 09:36:51] <Simon4> cfg = getDeviceConfig(find("PROBLEM_DEVICE_NAME"))
[01-Dec-2010 09:41:32] <chachan> so, I think it's not a connection problem
[01-Dec-2010 09:41:42] <chachan> it's not a community problem
[01-Dec-2010 09:42:02] <chachan> what else could be?
[01-Dec-2010 09:42:07] <Simon4> chachan: have you tried increasing the timeout slightly?
[01-Dec-2010 09:42:18] <RuslanPopov> ppl, what MIB do I have to use to get dskPercent graph for server?
[01-Dec-2010 09:42:26] <chachan> Simon4, yep, double it
[01-Dec-2010 09:42:29] <RuslanPopov> 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.9.9?
[01-Dec-2010 09:42:48] <chachan> Simon4, let me check again
[01-Dec-2010 09:46:25] <RuslanPopov> cannot understand how to add for existent server a graph for dksPercent 
[01-Dec-2010 09:47:46] <Weetos> chachan> have you check zenperfsnmp log ?
[01-Dec-2010 09:48:07] <chachan> yep, but I don't see anything weird
[01-Dec-2010 09:48:27] <Simon4> chachan: try this as the zenoss user
[01-Dec-2010 09:48:34] <Simon4> zenperfsnmp stop; zenperfsnmp start -v 3
[01-Dec-2010 09:48:39] <Simon4> then look at zenperfsnmp.log
[01-Dec-2010 09:48:44] <Simon4> you'll get a bunch more information
[01-Dec-2010 09:50:24] <Weetos> chachan> have you check zenperfsnmp log ?
[01-Dec-2010 09:50:48] <Weetos> ok next time I'll read before I post 
[01-Dec-2010 09:51:36] <chachan> Simon4, Weetos, I ckecked before, but I'm looking it again
[01-Dec-2010 09:53:10] <Weetos> using the -v3 option Simon4 suggested will give you much more info
[01-Dec-2010 09:56:43] <chachan> I don't see any errors, warnings or somethings
[01-Dec-2010 10:04:12] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[01-Dec-2010 10:04:23] <Weetos> hmm I'm out of clues chachan... sorry
[01-Dec-2010 10:06:14] <chachan> Weetos, don't worry, you guys have helped me a lot
[01-Dec-2010 10:09:09] <RuslanPopov> heh
[01-Dec-2010 10:23:23] <cgibbons> hurm
[01-Dec-2010 10:23:30] <cgibbons> this laptop used to be fast
[01-Dec-2010 10:42:49] <chachan> Weetos, Simon4, for some reason, there's a lot of traffic in the devices servers (another problem), so it's timeout, I had to increased from 7 seconds to 30 seconds
[01-Dec-2010 10:43:11] <chachan> Now I have to check those servers, thanks 
[01-Dec-2010 10:43:54] <Simon4> cgibbons: seen it before when modelling devices where you just get DEBUG zen.ZenModeler: Running 1 clients continuously after most of the plugins have run fine?
[01-Dec-2010 10:44:08] <Simon4> even removing all the collection plugins it seems to do it :/
[01-Dec-2010 10:44:21] <cgibbons> yeah
[01-Dec-2010 10:44:29] <cgibbons> probably means there's an exception in ye olde zenhub log
[01-Dec-2010 10:45:01] * Simon4 checks ye olde zenhub.log
[01-Dec-2010 10:45:52] <Simon4> RemoteConflictError: Remote exception: ZODB.POSException.ConflictError: database conflict error (oid 0x019822a6, class Products.ZenModel.Device.Device)Traceback (most recent call last):
[01-Dec-2010 10:45:54] <Simon4> gah
[01-Dec-2010 10:45:59] <cgibbons> woohoo!
[01-Dec-2010 10:48:43] <Simon4> cgibbons: thoughts as to how to fix? I get it trying to model any device (I only have four so far) on a new remote collector
[01-Dec-2010 10:48:58] <cgibbons> you should just be able to do it again?
[01-Dec-2010 10:49:09] <Simon4> grrr
[01-Dec-2010 10:49:19] * Simon4 has been trying for a while
[01-Dec-2010 10:50:34] * Simon4 goes to grab a snack, hopefully it'll be feeling better behaved when I return
[01-Dec-2010 10:52:54] <cgibbons> usually that should only happen if you've got really high activity for something that is changing the model
[01-Dec-2010 10:59:24] <st3v3o> morning
[01-Dec-2010 11:01:51] <rmatte> Simon4: I only ever get that when I try to kick off multiple models all at once
[01-Dec-2010 11:02:02] <rmatte> if I kick off 1 model, then wait about 10 seconds before kicking off the next it works fine
[01-Dec-2010 11:02:14] <Simon4> rmatte: yeah, wondering if someone's messing with things in the background (shared dev env)
[01-Dec-2010 11:09:10] <rmatte> possibly
[01-Dec-2010 11:09:44] <Simon4> back from snack, modelling now
[01-Dec-2010 11:09:50] <Simon4> must have been someone else doing "stuff"
[01-Dec-2010 11:09:51] <rmatte> 
[01-Dec-2010 11:10:03] * Simon4 tries another
[01-Dec-2010 11:10:18] <Simon4> aaaand broken again 
[01-Dec-2010 11:10:36] <rmatte> could someone else be modelling stuff right now?
[01-Dec-2010 11:10:41] <rmatte> or maybe the automated remodel is in progress?
[01-Dec-2010 11:49:24] <Simon4> great improvement, now it's just timing out and not raising a error in zenhub.log :/
[01-Dec-2010 11:49:42] * Simon4 restarts
[01-Dec-2010 11:53:07] <rmatte> lol
[01-Dec-2010 11:53:41] <Simon4> today is clearly not a day to be working on zenoss 
[01-Dec-2010 11:53:54] <rmatte> 
[01-Dec-2010 11:55:28] <rmatte> docs/DOC-10224
[01-Dec-2010 11:55:38] <rmatte> freshly updated
[01-Dec-2010 11:56:25] <kokey> hehe
[01-Dec-2010 12:03:40] <zykes-> rmatte: how to clea manage ip `?
[01-Dec-2010 12:03:58] <rmatte> just use the reset IP function and don't put any IP address in
[01-Dec-2010 12:04:01] <rmatte> then submit
[01-Dec-2010 12:04:26] <zykes-> the ip is still there..
[01-Dec-2010 12:04:34] <zykes-> under ip address
[01-Dec-2010 12:04:37] <rmatte> try putting a space then clicking submit
[01-Dec-2010 12:04:50] <rmatte> you're using 2.5 or 3.0?
[01-Dec-2010 12:05:46] <zykes-> 3.0
[01-Dec-2010 12:05:50] <zykes-> not budging
[01-Dec-2010 12:05:58] <rmatte> hold on, I'll try on my 3.0 test box
[01-Dec-2010 12:06:31] <rmatte> you know, if you have zPingMonitorIgnore enabled for the class that the devices are in, you can always just assign each device the same IP (the one that resolves to the hostname)
[01-Dec-2010 12:06:34] <rmatte> that works as well
[01-Dec-2010 12:07:15] <rmatte> oh I see why, yeh, in 3.0 they have this "Blank to use DNS" option
[01-Dec-2010 12:07:24] <rmatte> just set the IP to the IP that the hostname resolves to
[01-Dec-2010 12:07:27] <rmatte> it won't hurt anything
[01-Dec-2010 12:09:51] <zykes-> ah i see
[01-Dec-2010 12:09:57] <zykes-> what does the http zenpack do again ?
[01-Dec-2010 12:11:43] <kokey> http
[01-Dec-2010 12:12:00] <kokey> ok i'm going to burn in hell
[01-Dec-2010 12:12:41] <kokey> This ZenPack provides status and response time monitoring of HTTP URLs.
[01-Dec-2010 12:12:53] * Simon4 finds the person who decided to remodel half the platform, and has them strung up and killed
[01-Dec-2010 12:13:02] <Simon4> (on the test box, no less)
[01-Dec-2010 12:16:14] <Sam-I-Am> woohoo, next week i get started on zenoss again.
[01-Dec-2010 12:16:47] <Sam-I-Am> still planning to roll 2.5.2 unless something has changed
[01-Dec-2010 12:17:07] <rmatte> yeh, I'd still say go with 2.5.2... did I ever give you my 2.5.2 patch list?
[01-Dec-2010 12:17:12] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[01-Dec-2010 12:17:15] <Sam-I-Am> we's good
[01-Dec-2010 12:17:20] <rmatte> cool
[01-Dec-2010 12:20:14] <zykes-> patch list ?
[01-Dec-2010 12:22:16] <rmatte> for 2.5.2
[01-Dec-2010 12:22:23] <rmatte> you're using 3.0, doesn't apply to you
[01-Dec-2010 12:27:24] <elc0_work> I have a couple devices that are being monitored via ping.  Currently they are resolving to an incorrect IP address.  I assume if I chose 'reset ip' and just fill in the correct IP that will be enough for zenoss to avoid DNS resolution?
[01-Dec-2010 12:28:18] <elc0_work> or are there properties somewhere that will ensure that DNS is avoided
[01-Dec-2010 12:33:27] <rmatte> yeh, just set an IP
[01-Dec-2010 12:33:47] <rmatte> it doesn't automatically go looking for IP addresses unless you tell it to or you're initially adding a device
[01-Dec-2010 12:34:54] bzed_ is now known as bzed
[01-Dec-2010 12:38:00] <rmatte> time for foods, afk
[01-Dec-2010 12:57:34] <elc0_work> thanks rmatte
[01-Dec-2010 12:57:44] <elc0_work> ditto
[01-Dec-2010 13:01:07] <rmatte> np
[01-Dec-2010 13:31:45] <evilliger> Has anyone been able to get the libvirt ZenPack to work in 3.0.3?
[01-Dec-2010 13:32:05] <rmatte> I haven't tried
[01-Dec-2010 13:32:44] <rmatte> I don't think it's been officially tested with 3.0
[01-Dec-2010 13:33:01] <rmatte> the components in it probably haven't been updated to work with the new UI
[01-Dec-2010 13:34:38] <evilliger> It hasn't, but I'm just testing it on my test zenoss install.  I've hacked it a little so it can work with older versions of libvirt.
[01-Dec-2010 13:34:41] <rmatte> what are you looking to monitor with it?
[01-Dec-2010 13:35:02] <evilliger> Howerver, it doesn't work when you try to model a device.
[01-Dec-2010 13:35:41] <evilliger> my Xen guest VM's.  I provides more info than the VirtualHostMonitor and XenMonitor ZenPacks.
[01-Dec-2010 13:35:58] <rmatte> yeh, it's really good for Xen
[01-Dec-2010 13:36:12] <rmatte> you should contact the author and see if they plan to update it
[01-Dec-2010 13:37:10] <evilliger> was planning to.  I was just hoping that someone else hacked it too.
[01-Dec-2010 13:39:14] <rmatte> doubt it 
[01-Dec-2010 13:39:21] <evilliger> the last check-in of the code was 8 months ago.  I hope the author didn't abandoned the project.
[01-Dec-2010 13:44:13] <rmatte> ZenPacks get abandoned all the time
[01-Dec-2010 13:44:36] <rmatte> luckily the majority of the more popular ones have active maintainers
[01-Dec-2010 13:50:41] <Orbixx> Question, probably more snmp-orientated I'm guessing... I'm just setting up snmp monitoring for what is essentially the first time.
[01-Dec-2010 13:51:46] <Orbixx> Zenoss appears to grab local information fine but when I add a remote Linux server (which has snmp set up with 'rocommunity public <zenossip>'), it's only capable of basic device identification, how can I get it to grab info on disk partitions, CPU/memory usage and such?
[01-Dec-2010 14:02:21] <cgibbons> hurm
[01-Dec-2010 14:11:44] <rmatte> Orbixx: your SNMP config on the Linux box is too restrictive
[01-Dec-2010 14:11:51] <rmatte> by default net-snmp has paranoid settings
[01-Dec-2010 14:11:54] <rmatte> you need to adjust them
[01-Dec-2010 14:12:04] <rmatte> the default net-snmp config won't cut it.
[01-Dec-2010 14:12:37] <rmatte> or is rocommunity public the only line in the config file?
[01-Dec-2010 14:12:46] <axelilly> I'm trying to install the EsxTop zenpack...everything looks good, but when I model a ESX host, I do not see the modeler running the esx plugin and there are no guests showing for the device...any tips?
[01-Dec-2010 14:13:12] <rmatte> axelilly: have you verified that the plugin is actually assigned to the device class?
[01-Dec-2010 14:13:13] <Orbixx> rmatte: The config file literally just contains the line stated above.
[01-Dec-2010 14:13:23] <Orbixx> 'rocommunity public'
[01-Dec-2010 14:13:34] <rmatte> Orbixx: you restarted snmpd after you put that line in?
[01-Dec-2010 14:14:14] <axelilly> rmatte: yes, there is only one modeler assigned to EsxTop class:  zenoss.cmd.esx.esxtop
[01-Dec-2010 14:15:19] <rmatte> Orbixx: You can try this config: http://fpaste.org/h6rT/raw/
[01-Dec-2010 14:15:34] <Orbixx> rmatte: Yes.
[01-Dec-2010 14:15:54] <axelilly> rmatte: I watched the esxTop zenoss video, but it's not turning out the same 
[01-Dec-2010 14:16:08] <rmatte> axelilly: I haven't tried the pack myself yet
[01-Dec-2010 14:17:13] <rmatte> you do have esxtop installed right?
[01-Dec-2010 14:17:17] <rmatte> it doesn't come with the pack
[01-Dec-2010 14:17:28] <axelilly> rmatte: yea, just installed it
[01-Dec-2010 14:17:51] <rmatte> did you restart Zenoss after installing the ZenPack?
[01-Dec-2010 14:17:53] <axelilly> rmatte: it's only pulling in data on the esx host, but I don't see the listing of the virtual machines on the host
[01-Dec-2010 14:17:58] <axelilly> rmatte: yep
[01-Dec-2010 14:18:08] <rmatte> permissions perhaps?
[01-Dec-2010 14:18:34] <rmatte> I didn't think esxtop did the guests as well
[01-Dec-2010 14:18:42] <rmatte> thought it was only for the host
[01-Dec-2010 14:18:56] <axelilly> rmatte: oh...I though it included the guests.
[01-Dec-2010 14:19:06] * axelilly queues up the video again
[01-Dec-2010 14:19:12] <rmatte> no, that's what the new VMWare ESXi ZenPack by Eric Enns is for
[01-Dec-2010 14:19:35] <axelilly> rmatte: hmmm, maybe I got something confused
[01-Dec-2010 14:19:54] <Orbixx> rmatte: Ah, looks like it's beginning to work, but it's still incapable of fetching memory information.
[01-Dec-2010 14:20:33] <axelilly> rmatte: blogs/zenossblog/2010/10/29/vmware-esxtop-monitoring-zenpack-screencast-video
[01-Dec-2010 14:21:03] <Orbixx> Also missing partition info.
[01-Dec-2010 14:21:03] <rmatte> Orbixx: you do know it takes 15 minutes for Zenoss to start graphing stuff right?
[01-Dec-2010 14:21:18] <rmatte> Orbixx: did you try the config I provided?
[01-Dec-2010 14:22:24] <Orbixx> rmatte: Yes, I'm saying it's began to graph some stuff, but not the memory and there's no sign of anything pertaining to partition info.
[01-Dec-2010 14:22:36] <rmatte> you remodeled?
[01-Dec-2010 14:23:12] <rmatte> partition info doesn't get automatically seen, you have to remodel the device
[01-Dec-2010 14:24:51] <axelilly> rmatte: yea, the VMs are supposed to show up under "Components"
[01-Dec-2010 14:25:00] <Orbixx> You'll have to forgive me, I'm terribly ignorant of Zenoss and snmp.
[01-Dec-2010 14:25:12] <Orbixx> I'm not entirely sure what 'remodelling' is.
[01-Dec-2010 14:25:16] <rmatte> axelilly: yeh not sure why they wouldn't be then, I'm watching the video right now
[01-Dec-2010 14:25:20] <axelilly> rmatte: In the video, when he models, something call PythonCommand runs....but when I remodel it doesn't.
[01-Dec-2010 14:25:32] <rmatte> Orbixx: If you're on the device page, look at the bottom left
[01-Dec-2010 14:25:36] <rmatte> there's a gear menu
[01-Dec-2010 14:25:38] <rmatte> click on that
[01-Dec-2010 14:25:44] <rmatte> there will be an option to remodel
[01-Dec-2010 14:26:32] <rmatte> remodelling is the process where Zenoss goes out and actually discovers components on devices, such as processes, interfaces, filesystems, etc...
[01-Dec-2010 14:28:05] <Orbixx> Thanks rmatte.
[01-Dec-2010 14:28:08] <rmatte> np
[01-Dec-2010 14:28:42] <Orbixx> INFO zen.ZenModeler: Skipping Physical memory (ram) as it matches zFileSystemMapIgnoreTypes.
[01-Dec-2010 14:28:42] <Orbixx> Ah, that'll explain it.
[01-Dec-2010 14:28:48] <rmatte> nah
[01-Dec-2010 14:28:50] <rmatte> that's normal
[01-Dec-2010 14:29:01] <rmatte> that just means it won't show up as a filesystem
[01-Dec-2010 14:29:14] <rmatte> but you should still see a memory graph in "Graphs"
[01-Dec-2010 14:30:00] <Orbixx> Ah.
[01-Dec-2010 14:30:04] <Orbixx> Yes I do, but it's not being populated.
[01-Dec-2010 14:30:15] <rmatte> what do you see in it?
[01-Dec-2010 14:30:26] <rmatte> any error messages?
[01-Dec-2010 14:31:24] <Orbixx> Hmm, now it's being populated.
[01-Dec-2010 14:31:28] <Orbixx> Apparently I was being impatient.
[01-Dec-2010 14:31:29] <Orbixx> 
[01-Dec-2010 14:31:40] <Orbixx> Or I did something to fix it unknowingly.
[01-Dec-2010 14:31:40] <rmatte> It takes 15 minutes for any graph to generate (3 polling cycles at 5 minutes per cycle)
[01-Dec-2010 14:31:43] <Orbixx> Likely the former.
[01-Dec-2010 14:31:46] <rmatte> until then you'll see "nan"
[01-Dec-2010 14:31:51] <rmatte> which stands for not a number
[01-Dec-2010 14:32:19] <nyeates> anyone know contact info for commuity members: Shane William Scott, Colin Hudler, Steven O'donell, Steven Bambling
[01-Dec-2010 14:32:28] <nyeates> they won prizes and tryin to get a hold of em
[01-Dec-2010 14:32:40] <rmatte> can you not find them on the community site?
[01-Dec-2010 14:32:52] <nyeates> yeah they didnt link their email addy's
[01-Dec-2010 14:33:09] <rmatte> ah
[01-Dec-2010 14:33:16] <nyeates> i found a number of other ones by googling their names and finding gmail addresses or linkedin accts....but these i cannot
[01-Dec-2010 14:33:20] <rmatte> just send them a message on the site
[01-Dec-2010 14:33:29] <nyeates> yeah that is what ill do next
[01-Dec-2010 14:34:12] <rmatte> ah, Shane William Scott is hackman238
[01-Dec-2010 14:36:02] <axelilly> rmatte: any clues after seeing that video?
[01-Dec-2010 14:36:20] <rmatte> axelilly: nope, it should just appear, unless your zProperties aren't configured correctly
[01-Dec-2010 14:36:42] <axelilly> rmatte: Is there a way to manually model in debug?
[01-Dec-2010 14:36:49] <rmatte> yes...
[01-Dec-2010 14:36:55] <rmatte> zenmodeler run -v10 -d <devicename>
[01-Dec-2010 14:37:00] <rmatte> as the zenoss user at the commandline
[01-Dec-2010 14:37:13] <axelilly> rmatte: I'll try that
[01-Dec-2010 14:39:20] <axelilly> rmatte: yep, the output shows that modeler doesn't run the esxtop plugin....doesn't even try
[01-Dec-2010 14:39:57] <rmatte> hmm
[01-Dec-2010 14:40:09] <rmatte> you said you restarted Zenoss after installing the pack, yes?
[01-Dec-2010 14:41:04] <axelilly> rmatte: crap...I only restarted zeoctl
[01-Dec-2010 14:41:14] <axelilly> zopectl
[01-Dec-2010 14:43:28] <axelilly> silly me
[01-Dec-2010 14:43:53] <axelilly> rmatte: have you heard anything about plans to add a way to do split second perf checking?
[01-Dec-2010 14:47:12] <straterra> rmatte: find anything out?
[01-Dec-2010 14:49:39] <rmatte> oh right sorry, let me ask
[01-Dec-2010 14:51:34] <straterra> No problem
[01-Dec-2010 14:52:48] <axelilly> rmatte: got it working
[01-Dec-2010 14:53:05] <rmatte> axelilly: cool, what was it?
[01-Dec-2010 14:53:13] <axelilly> rmatte: but it's not very complete...doesn't show memory or IO, etc.
[01-Dec-2010 14:53:35] <axelilly> rmatte: it was like you said, I needed to do a zenoss restart
[01-Dec-2010 14:56:18] <nyeates> when in doubt, just restout
[01-Dec-2010 14:56:23] <nyeates> zenoss restart works miracles
[01-Dec-2010 14:56:49] <rmatte> axelilly: yeh, always restart zenoss after installing any ZenPack
[01-Dec-2010 14:57:25] <rmatte> axelilly: there's some stuff that gets pre-compiled on startup, so a restart makes sure that everything is ready to go
[01-Dec-2010 14:57:56] <axelilly> bah
[01-Dec-2010 14:58:08] <rmatte> straterra: still waiting to hear back from my manager, I'll reply to your email as soon as he replies to me
[01-Dec-2010 14:58:16] <axelilly> it still can't find the virtual machines on nodes other then 1
[01-Dec-2010 14:58:27] <straterra> rmatte: sure, thanks
[01-Dec-2010 14:59:16] <rmatte> woohoo, deleting 7 million events from ossim
[01-Dec-2010 14:59:25] <rmatte> going to take forever
[01-Dec-2010 15:00:40] <nyeates> i think i might re-stout myself after today..that is, drink a stout :-)
[01-Dec-2010 15:00:45] <nyeates> what is ossim?
[01-Dec-2010 15:01:03] <rmatte> it's an open source security analyzer
[01-Dec-2010 15:01:11] <nyeates> like snort?
[01-Dec-2010 15:01:15] <rmatte> similar to
[01-Dec-2010 15:01:28] <nyeates> i almost worked at sourcefire, makers of snort, instead of zenoss
[01-Dec-2010 15:01:29] <rmatte> only ossim's performance is horrific so far
[01-Dec-2010 15:01:40] <rmatte> I'm supposed to get it working but I'm having one heck of a time
[01-Dec-2010 15:01:49] <rmatte> cool
[01-Dec-2010 15:02:02] <rmatte> ossim is developed by a company called alienvault
[01-Dec-2010 15:02:32] <nyeates> u tried zabbix or any other zenoss competitors?
[01-Dec-2010 15:02:45] <rmatte> I tried zabbix for the heck of it
[01-Dec-2010 15:02:50] <rmatte> never had any hopes of actually using it
[01-Dec-2010 15:02:52] <rmatte> it's alright
[01-Dec-2010 15:03:08] <rmatte> honestly, I wouldn't trade Zenoss for anything else for 1 reason, transforms
[01-Dec-2010 15:03:22] <rmatte> nothing else that I've seen has anything that can compare
[01-Dec-2010 15:03:52] <rmatte> I've tried OpenNMS, Nagios
[01-Dec-2010 15:04:17] <rmatte> Groundworks (which is just Nagios wrapped in with a bunch of other stuff)
[01-Dec-2010 15:04:39] <nyeates> ive wanted to try some other competitors...i might set some up for comparison... i know tho with zenoss that u have to get into to it and know how everything is setup to really use effectively... but once that happens, zenoss is super effective
[01-Dec-2010 15:04:56] <nyeates> i wonder if other platforms are like that or not....if they need learning curves to really be useful
[01-Dec-2010 15:04:59] <rmatte> yeh, it took me about a year to get good with Zenoss
[01-Dec-2010 15:05:00] <Orbixx> Hmm, I'm trying to create 'CentOS' as a manufacturer and add the OS versions so I can categorise the servers I add.
[01-Dec-2010 15:05:12] <rmatte> and now that I've been at it for 2 years intensively I can almost do anything with it
[01-Dec-2010 15:05:30] <Orbixx> I've created them fine, but I can't alter the servers with them.
[01-Dec-2010 15:05:45] <rmatte> Orbixx: make sure they are set to software
[01-Dec-2010 15:05:48] <Orbixx> It lets me select CentOS as the manufacturer, but the versions don't appear in 'OS Model'.
[01-Dec-2010 15:05:48] <rmatte> and not hardware
[01-Dec-2010 15:05:53] <rmatte> Products can be either
[01-Dec-2010 15:05:58] <rmatte> and there's a setting on each product
[01-Dec-2010 15:06:00] <Orbixx> Even if I select the OS Manufacturer as CentOS, it doesn't save it.
[01-Dec-2010 15:06:27] <rmatte> even if you select something below it?
[01-Dec-2010 15:06:33] <nyeates> does it save it for a bit, and then when remodeled its gone?
[01-Dec-2010 15:06:45] <Orbixx> rmatte: afaik they're 'OS's.
[01-Dec-2010 15:06:54] <rmatte> try them as software instead
[01-Dec-2010 15:06:56] <Orbixx> not hardware
[01-Dec-2010 15:07:03] <Orbixx> There are 3 types listed
[01-Dec-2010 15:07:05] <rmatte> in my experience OS' don't work
[01-Dec-2010 15:07:08] <rmatte> yeh, try software
[01-Dec-2010 15:07:14] <rmatte> I noticed OS never shows up at all
[01-Dec-2010 15:07:19] <Orbixx> If I select something else, their OS versions load into the selection.
[01-Dec-2010 15:07:22] <Orbixx> No.
[01-Dec-2010 15:07:26] <Orbixx> It just plain doesn't save it.
[01-Dec-2010 15:07:29] <rmatte> hmmm
[01-Dec-2010 15:07:36] <rmatte> sounds like an old bug that was closed as "fixed"
[01-Dec-2010 15:07:42] <rmatte> I'll dig up the trac ticket
[01-Dec-2010 15:07:56] <rmatte> after this Novell Moonlight install finishes
[01-Dec-2010 15:08:01] <Orbixx> The manufacturer appears, but the products underneath it do not; even if I simply save the manufacturer under a server, it doesn't take effect.
[01-Dec-2010 15:08:11] * rmatte nods
[01-Dec-2010 15:08:22] <rmatte> yeh, the whole products thing has been messed up for a while
[01-Dec-2010 15:08:26] * Orbixx checks what the others are listed as
[01-Dec-2010 15:08:29] <rmatte> well, for as long as I can remember anyways
[01-Dec-2010 15:08:36] <Orbixx> The others are listed as 'Operating System' types and not software.
[01-Dec-2010 15:08:44] <Orbixx> For example, under 'Debian'.
[01-Dec-2010 15:08:54] <rmatte> well try OS then
[01-Dec-2010 15:09:06] <nyeates> yeah i agree with rmatte, the products and manufacturers has had defects in the past
[01-Dec-2010 15:09:13] <nyeates> especally when u add ones yerself
[01-Dec-2010 15:09:26] * rmatte nods
[01-Dec-2010 15:09:31] <rmatte> the auto-detection works fine
[01-Dec-2010 15:09:36] <rmatte> but adding manually doesn't work so well
[01-Dec-2010 15:09:54] <rmatte> though I remember when it was the complete opposite
[01-Dec-2010 15:09:56] <rmatte> in 2.3.3
[01-Dec-2010 15:10:02] <rmatte> the auto-detection didn't work at all
[01-Dec-2010 15:10:08] <nyeates> if either of u finds a directly related public trac ticket, and u are seeing this on 3.0.3....let me know and ill reopen
[01-Dec-2010 15:10:08] <rmatte> but setting it manually worked fine
[01-Dec-2010 15:10:11] <Orbixx> rmatte: Aha, apparently if you don't populate 'Product Keys' it will not show up.
[01-Dec-2010 15:10:19] <rmatte> Product Keys eh?
[01-Dec-2010 15:10:21] <rmatte> hmmm
[01-Dec-2010 15:10:50] <rmatte> I'll dig up the trac ticket that I'm thinking of once I can open firefox again
[01-Dec-2010 15:10:52] <rmatte> lol
[01-Dec-2010 15:11:17] <Orbixx> Bit odd.
[01-Dec-2010 15:11:18] <nyeates> PM me if u find so...im going away
[01-Dec-2010 15:11:28] <Orbixx> And mildly irritating.
[01-Dec-2010 15:11:49] <nyeates> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac
[01-Dec-2010 15:11:57] <nyeates> that is our public defect system
[01-Dec-2010 15:12:28] <rmatte> finding the ticket shall be fun 
[01-Dec-2010 15:12:41] <nyeates> there is a page there that explains how to enter new bugs: http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/wiki/HowToAddTicket
[01-Dec-2010 15:14:26] <rmatte> bingo
[01-Dec-2010 15:14:28] <rmatte> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5473
[01-Dec-2010 15:15:39] <rmatte> that's the original issue is 2.5, I suspect elements of that are still lingering
[01-Dec-2010 15:21:48] <axelilly> I wish I knew how to improve one of these vmware zenpacks.
[01-Dec-2010 15:22:19] <axelilly> they are all lacking data...like ESXi Monitor looks pretty good, but it doesn't monitor network usage.
[01-Dec-2010 15:22:41] <rmatte> learn to code in python 
[01-Dec-2010 15:23:00] <rmatte> I didn't know python before I started using Zenoss, now I know it fairly well
[01-Dec-2010 15:23:20] <axelilly> rmatte: I'm pretty good at Python
[01-Dec-2010 15:23:28] <rmatte> enough to win a grand prize in the summer of ZenPacks contest anyways 
[01-Dec-2010 15:23:37] <axelilly> rmatte: I need to look into how to hack on this stuff
[01-Dec-2010 15:23:38] <rmatte> well, just unzip the .egg file
[01-Dec-2010 15:23:44] <rmatte> and look at the structure and scripts in it
[01-Dec-2010 15:24:17] <rmatte> a .egg file (ZenPack) is just a zip file with a specific structure
[01-Dec-2010 15:25:13] <axelilly> rmatte: checking it out
[01-Dec-2010 15:25:31] <Orbixx> Just added a CentOS server and received this on the event log: threshold of low CPU idle not met: current value 1.00
[01-Dec-2010 15:25:44] <rmatte> axelilly: you may be interested in this: http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/zenpacks/
[01-Dec-2010 15:25:47] * Orbixx is slightly confused
[01-Dec-2010 15:25:55] <rmatte> some of the data is a little outdated, but it's a good paper as a starting point
[01-Dec-2010 15:26:30] <rmatte> Orbixx: that means that the CPU was completely idle
[01-Dec-2010 15:26:39] <rmatte> Orbixx: I just disable that threshold
[01-Dec-2010 15:26:48] <rmatte> along with the swap threshold, since it's hardcoded at 1024
[01-Dec-2010 15:26:51] <rmatte> which is useless
[01-Dec-2010 15:27:06] <rmatte> I still need to make my own dynamic ones for Linux
[01-Dec-2010 15:27:24] <rmatte> it'll be easy with my formula data source pack
[01-Dec-2010 15:28:04] <Orbixx> O.o
[01-Dec-2010 15:28:07] <Orbixx> Bit of a silly threshold.
[01-Dec-2010 15:28:16] <Orbixx> Nothing wrong with an idle server.
[01-Dec-2010 15:28:17] <rmatte> yeh, the default linux ones are bad lol
[01-Dec-2010 15:28:38] <rmatte> well, some people might treat that as an indication that it isn't doing what it should be
[01-Dec-2010 15:28:44] <Orbixx> At least, it should be assumed an idle server isn't bad by default.
[01-Dec-2010 15:28:45] <rmatte> but I don't personally see the value in it
[01-Dec-2010 15:28:51] <Orbixx> Could be bad in certain cases of usage.
[01-Dec-2010 15:29:04] <rmatte> either way, it's easy to edit the template and remove the threshold
[01-Dec-2010 15:29:07] <rmatte> so no big deal
[01-Dec-2010 15:29:09] <Orbixx> mhmm
[01-Dec-2010 15:29:11] <Orbixx> Just figured it out.
[01-Dec-2010 15:29:14] <Orbixx> Thanks.
[01-Dec-2010 15:29:53] <Orbixx> How does this Google map integration work?
[01-Dec-2010 15:30:10] <venture37> hii
[01-Dec-2010 15:30:27] <venture37> what's the status of ipv6 support on zenosss?
[01-Dec-2010 15:30:44] <axelilly> I'm wondering what the best way to monitor vSphere is
[01-Dec-2010 15:31:05] <Simon4> venture37: non-existent in current versions
[01-Dec-2010 15:31:36] <venture37> does running zenoss cause the system to barf on dual stacked hosts?
[01-Dec-2010 15:31:41] <Simon4> nope
[01-Dec-2010 15:31:50] <venture37> that's good to hear
[01-Dec-2010 15:36:38] <venture37> has anyone done any work on creating a zenoss port for monitoring?
[01-Dec-2010 15:36:54] <venture37> sorry
[01-Dec-2010 15:37:02] <venture37> a zenoss port for FreeBSD
[01-Dec-2010 15:37:13] <Orbixx> Does anybody get heartbeat failures from zenoss daemons?
[01-Dec-2010 15:39:22] <rmatte> Orbixx: yeh, ignore them, they are useless
[01-Dec-2010 15:39:29] <rmatte> they are overly sensitive and kick off all the time
[01-Dec-2010 15:39:47] * Orbixx nods
[01-Dec-2010 15:39:59] <rmatte> I have 15 production Zenoss servers running and I get hundreds of heartbeat failures per day on each one, but they run perfectly fine
[01-Dec-2010 15:40:09] <Orbixx> Apparently the creators run zenoss on quantum computers.
[01-Dec-2010 15:40:09] <Orbixx> ^^
[01-Dec-2010 15:40:14] <rmatte> apparently
[01-Dec-2010 15:40:34] <rmatte> It would be fine if there was a way to actually tune them
[01-Dec-2010 15:41:07] <Orbixx> I'm having a serious OCD moment where I cannot sit there and let them *be* in the event log.
[01-Dec-2010 15:41:08] * Simon4 found the code at one point
[01-Dec-2010 15:41:39] <rhettardo> hello
[01-Dec-2010 15:41:43] <Simon4> it's hardcoded to three cycles before recording failure
[01-Dec-2010 15:42:04] <rmatte> they can just be tuned out
[01-Dec-2010 15:42:23] <rmatte> I don't bother, I have a ticket daemon that I wrote which clears junk events automatically every 30 mins
[01-Dec-2010 15:42:57] <rmatte> rhettardo: hi
[01-Dec-2010 15:44:35] <Orbixx> Is there a way to ignore them that's built-in to zenoss?
[01-Dec-2010 15:45:06] <rmatte> there's an event tuning system built in to Zenoss
[01-Dec-2010 15:45:23] <rmatte> you just need to learn it
[01-Dec-2010 15:45:49] <Orbixx> Yeah.
[01-Dec-2010 15:45:53] <Orbixx> Perusing over it now...
[01-Dec-2010 15:46:00] <rmatte> actually just do this...
[01-Dec-2010 15:46:29] <rmatte> go in to Events -> Event Classes
[01-Dec-2010 15:46:39] <rmatte> Then Status
[01-Dec-2010 15:46:44] <rmatte> Then Heartbeat
[01-Dec-2010 15:47:02] <rmatte> Then Configuration Properties (in the left hand menu)
[01-Dec-2010 15:47:23] <rmatte> change zEventAction from status to either history or drop
[01-Dec-2010 15:47:30] <rmatte> history will keep the event (move it directly to history)
[01-Dec-2010 15:47:37] <Orbixx> Been there already.
[01-Dec-2010 15:47:40] <rmatte> drop will completely get rid of it
[01-Dec-2010 15:47:41] <Orbixx> Couldn't figure out what to do from there.
[01-Dec-2010 15:48:00] <rmatte> hehe
[01-Dec-2010 15:48:02] <rmatte> well now you know
[01-Dec-2010 15:49:19] <rmatte> man, I moved my Zenoss servers over to a new faster SAN, what a difference in speed
[01-Dec-2010 15:49:47] <davetoo> mysql and rrd?
[01-Dec-2010 15:50:06] <rmatte> I have mysql and rrd on the same box as Zenoss
[01-Dec-2010 15:50:09] <rmatte> 15 different instances
[01-Dec-2010 15:50:26] <Orbixx> Thanks 
[01-Dec-2010 15:50:30] <rmatte> just general responsiveness of the UI has improved
[01-Dec-2010 15:50:34] <rmatte> Orbixx: np
[01-Dec-2010 15:51:29] <rmatte> apparently I might be spinning up a 16th instance soon
[01-Dec-2010 15:51:44] <davetoo> rmatte: I mean.. which filesystems are still on local storage?
[01-Dec-2010 15:51:59] <rmatte> not sure I follow
[01-Dec-2010 15:52:19] <rmatte> they are vms
[01-Dec-2010 15:52:21] <davetoo> Are the mysql files and /opt/zenoss/perf on the same filesystem?
[01-Dec-2010 15:52:22] <davetoo> oh
[01-Dec-2010 15:52:23] <davetoo> ah
[01-Dec-2010 15:52:27] <rmatte> I VMotioned them from the old blade to the new one
[01-Dec-2010 15:52:31] <davetoo> *nod*
[01-Dec-2010 15:52:32] <rmatte> erm old SAN
[01-Dec-2010 15:52:33] <rmatte> rather
[01-Dec-2010 15:52:41] <davetoo> what kind of blade?
[01-Dec-2010 15:52:54] <rmatte> They are spread out across 3 HP blades
[01-Dec-2010 15:53:06] <davetoo> *nod*
[01-Dec-2010 15:53:12] <rmatte> each blade has between 32 and 64 GB of RAM
[01-Dec-2010 15:53:18] <rmatte> and about 15GHz of CPU
[01-Dec-2010 15:53:35] <rhettardo> i've been testing zenoss 3 on a supermicro atom box
[01-Dec-2010 15:53:42] <davetoo> We were using IBM stuff.
[01-Dec-2010 15:53:52] <davetoo> ESX were always on big boxes
[01-Dec-2010 15:53:53] <rmatte> I can't see Zenoss running well on an atom
[01-Dec-2010 15:53:55] <rhettardo> just because i have spare ones and my network is pretty small
[01-Dec-2010 15:53:57] <rhettardo> it dosnt
[01-Dec-2010 15:54:25] <rhettardo> request take about ~2 seconds
[01-Dec-2010 15:55:17] <rhettardo> load averages at .4
[01-Dec-2010 15:55:17] <rmatte> rough
[01-Dec-2010 15:55:32] <rmatte> well, .4 isn't bad, but 2 second requests at that level is
[01-Dec-2010 15:55:33] <rmatte> 
[01-Dec-2010 15:55:38] <rhettardo> yeah
[01-Dec-2010 15:55:47] <Orbixx> Running it on a VPS here.
[01-Dec-2010 15:55:49] <rhettardo> its on the verge of painful
[01-Dec-2010 15:56:01] <rmatte> Orbixx: how's that working for you?
[01-Dec-2010 15:56:15] <Orbixx> Requests aren't all that fast, but it's fine.
[01-Dec-2010 15:56:20] <rhettardo> i need move my monitoring domU to another box
[01-Dec-2010 15:56:20] * rmatte nods
[01-Dec-2010 15:56:24] <Orbixx> Nears to 1 second.
[01-Dec-2010 15:56:28] <Orbixx> For most requests.
[01-Dec-2010 15:57:12] <rmatte> after the 7 commissions that I have on the go are done I'll be up to over 1100 devices total
[01-Dec-2010 15:57:57] <rhettardo> the atom box is doing about 50 right now
[01-Dec-2010 15:58:07] <rhettardo> overall im below 100
[01-Dec-2010 15:58:14] <rmatte> well, that's 1100 spread out across 15 servers
[01-Dec-2010 15:58:25] <rhettardo> ah
[01-Dec-2010 15:58:28] <rmatte> I have 420 of those on 1 server
[01-Dec-2010 15:58:38] <rmatte> the separation between servers isn't related to performance
[01-Dec-2010 15:58:47] <rmatte> it's so that each customer can login and only view their devices
[01-Dec-2010 15:58:55] <rhettardo> ah, i see
[01-Dec-2010 15:59:22] <rmatte> I have 3 servers that are multi-client servers
[01-Dec-2010 15:59:25] <rhettardo> that was a problem for me when one of our very few VPS customers wanted to look at their graphs
[01-Dec-2010 15:59:26] <rmatte> the rest are single client
[01-Dec-2010 15:59:51] <rhettardo> ended up setting up a cacti user for them since its easy to regulate who can see what in cacti
[01-Dec-2010 16:00:02] <csabo> evening
[01-Dec-2010 16:00:14] <csabo> rmatte:  you here mate
[01-Dec-2010 16:01:37] <csabo> mray: hows the new job treating you?
[01-Dec-2010 16:03:03] <rmatte> csabo: I am
[01-Dec-2010 16:03:11] <rmatte> straterra: I just replied to your email
[01-Dec-2010 16:03:19] <csabo> rmatte:  hi mate, its parabola..
[01-Dec-2010 16:03:31] <csabo> so I got my first install if tivoli monitoring up and running...
[01-Dec-2010 16:03:42] <csabo> zenoss is about a million times easier
[01-Dec-2010 16:03:50] <mray> csabo: enjoying it very much, Chef is good stuff and Opscode is a great company
[01-Dec-2010 16:03:56] <rmatte> csabo: lol, nice
[01-Dec-2010 16:04:00] <csabo> mray: glad to hear it 
[01-Dec-2010 16:04:07] <csabo> mray: its nice to see you here still
[01-Dec-2010 16:04:12] <straterra> rmatte: Lemme go fire up Outlook and take a look-see
[01-Dec-2010 16:04:20] <csabo> the hard part was installing and configuring DB2
[01-Dec-2010 16:04:34] <csabo> but yeah, just thought i'd share that.. figured someone could appreicate it
[01-Dec-2010 16:04:37] <straterra> rmatte: heh..I was using nprobe test version too 
[01-Dec-2010 16:04:38] <csabo> took me 2 business days to get it running
[01-Dec-2010 16:04:41] * froztbyte finds the buttons for a zenoss enterprise trial
[01-Dec-2010 16:04:43] <rmatte> 
[01-Dec-2010 16:04:52] <straterra> rmatte: But..I did find a free alternative to ManageEngine you might wanna try
[01-Dec-2010 16:04:59] <mray> csabo: mostly lurking these days
[01-Dec-2010 16:05:11] <straterra> http://www.plixer.com/products/netflow-sflow/scrutinizer-netflow-sflow.php
[01-Dec-2010 16:05:12] <rmatte> straterra: which is that?
[01-Dec-2010 16:05:17] <rmatte> oh, plixer, yeh I've seen it
[01-Dec-2010 16:05:26] <rmatte> it doesn't quite do what manageengine does though
[01-Dec-2010 16:05:28] <straterra> It'll use netflor or sflow
[01-Dec-2010 16:05:30] <rmatte> not the free version of it anyways
[01-Dec-2010 16:05:31] <straterra> Oh
[01-Dec-2010 16:05:35] <straterra> It'll do what I need 
[01-Dec-2010 16:05:42] <straterra> I just need to see whos pegging the T1
[01-Dec-2010 16:05:47] <rmatte> by the way, there's a scrutiziner ZenPack
[01-Dec-2010 16:06:08] <straterra> Oh rly?
[01-Dec-2010 16:06:28] <csabo> yarly
[01-Dec-2010 16:06:33] <csabo> is the esxi zenpack out yet?
[01-Dec-2010 16:12:24] <froztbyte> wait, there's a queue on this thing? :/
[01-Dec-2010 16:12:46] <axelilly> csabo: which one?  there are a few out
[01-Dec-2010 16:14:28] <straterra> rmatte: I think I'm going to use sflow with Host sFlow. It allows multiple collectors and such
[01-Dec-2010 16:14:32] <straterra> Oh..and its free
[01-Dec-2010 16:16:49] * axelilly is disappointed with the ESX zenpack he just installed
[01-Dec-2010 16:19:28] <csabo> axelilly there wasnt 6 weeks ago when i last looked
[01-Dec-2010 16:19:36] <csabo> esxi 4.x
[01-Dec-2010 16:22:02] <axelilly> csabo: I just installed this one:  docs/DOC-9384
[01-Dec-2010 16:22:16] <csabo> thats lovely
[01-Dec-2010 16:22:18] <csabo> but thats not esxi
[01-Dec-2010 16:22:20] <csabo> thats ESX
[01-Dec-2010 16:22:25] <csabo> they are two totally differnet products
[01-Dec-2010 16:22:53] <csabo> ESX is RHEL i believe, linux either way
[01-Dec-2010 16:22:55] <csabo> esxi is not linux
[01-Dec-2010 16:23:18] <rmatte> csabo: I've been ssh'd in to esxi and I beg to differ
[01-Dec-2010 16:23:27] <rmatte> they claim it isn't, but it is
[01-Dec-2010 16:23:42] <davetoo> VMWare Server used to run a stripped-down rhel (4, I think) as a management console
[01-Dec-2010 16:23:49] <rmatte> the dead giveaway is /proc
[01-Dec-2010 16:24:09] <Orbixx> Hmm, just grabbed an Asterisk SNMP ZenPack and installed it, but I'm unsure how to associate it with a device.
[01-Dec-2010 16:24:11] <csabo> its not linux.
[01-Dec-2010 16:24:12] <csabo> i promise
[01-Dec-2010 16:24:23] brandonleach_ is now known as brandonleach
[01-Dec-2010 16:24:32] <Orbixx> It's showing up in monitoring templates, but when I go to add a device, it doesn't show up under 'Device Class'.
[01-Dec-2010 16:25:01] <Orbixx> Hmm.
[01-Dec-2010 16:25:05] <rmatte> well then it's "not linux" with all of the same file structure lol
[01-Dec-2010 16:25:21] <rmatte> I find it hard to believe that they coded an OS from scratch just for ESXi
[01-Dec-2010 16:26:05] <rmatte> but anyways, doesn't matter
[01-Dec-2010 16:26:37] <csabo> yeah
[01-Dec-2010 16:26:45] <csabo> but /proc being there doesnt mean much
[01-Dec-2010 16:26:46] <axelilly> csabo: I'm wondering if it matters....that zenpack simply parses the output of esxtop
[01-Dec-2010 16:26:49] <csabo> i'm looking at AIX boxes with /proc 
[01-Dec-2010 16:27:05] <axelilly> csabo: well, I know that ESXi runs busybox
[01-Dec-2010 16:27:55] <rmatte> csabo: /proc is emulated at best on every other unix OS that I've used
[01-Dec-2010 16:27:58] <rmatte> except for Linux
[01-Dec-2010 16:28:24] <rmatte> FreeBSD for example, the only time you have /proc is as part of FreeBSD's Linux emulation.
[01-Dec-2010 16:29:40] <Orbixx> I think I'm missing a crucial bit of information that's making me miss the obvious.
[01-Dec-2010 16:30:09] <axelilly> csabo: interesting, wikipedia says that ESXi is a linux based appliance...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox
[01-Dec-2010 16:30:32] <axelilly> not that it's right
[01-Dec-2010 16:31:03] <rmatte> Seriously, if you ssh in to it it's clearly a very scaled down version of linux
[01-Dec-2010 16:31:05] <rmatte> but it's still linux
[01-Dec-2010 16:31:19] <rmatte> It's pretty bare-bones
[01-Dec-2010 16:32:10] <axelilly> so, there are no working zenpacks for ESXi?
[01-Dec-2010 16:32:26] <csabo> there should be
[01-Dec-2010 16:32:30] <csabo> the summer zenpack thing had one i thought
[01-Dec-2010 16:32:35] <rmatte> axelilly: the one from the ZenPack contest
[01-Dec-2010 16:32:39] <rmatte> that Eric Enns made
[01-Dec-2010 16:33:43] <axelilly> any one have a link?  trying to find it
[01-Dec-2010 16:34:14] <axelilly> found it
[01-Dec-2010 16:39:41] <csabo> ugh
[01-Dec-2010 16:39:46] <csabo> i miss not using agents already
[01-Dec-2010 16:39:55] <rhettardo> ha
[01-Dec-2010 16:40:03] <csabo> 2.8GB pack of agents copying to server now
[01-Dec-2010 16:40:14] <cgibbons> ew
[01-Dec-2010 16:40:21] <csabo> thats not even all of them.
[01-Dec-2010 16:40:32] <csabo> not sure whats up with the size.. theres got to be somthing else in here
[01-Dec-2010 16:40:37] <csabo> apparently theres like 200 agents availible
[01-Dec-2010 16:40:41] <csabo> they've got one for everything
[01-Dec-2010 16:40:44] <rmatte> yeh, that's ridiculous
[01-Dec-2010 16:40:54] <csabo> i heard about this new technology
[01-Dec-2010 16:40:57] <csabo> called WMI and SNMP
[01-Dec-2010 16:40:58] <rmatte> why on earth does it take 2.8GB of data for an agent?
[01-Dec-2010 16:41:01] <csabo> i heard they are like, voodoo
[01-Dec-2010 16:41:06] <csabo> and you can get alot of system stats from them
[01-Dec-2010 16:41:15] <rmatte> is it also hosting a video game server, ventrilo server, and an internet radio station while it's at it?
[01-Dec-2010 16:41:23] <csabo> nah, mumble
[01-Dec-2010 16:41:24] <csabo> no vent
[01-Dec-2010 16:41:27] <rmatte> lol
[01-Dec-2010 16:41:51] <csabo> we shall see how well it all works
[01-Dec-2010 16:41:57] <csabo> i wont get any agents deployed today
[01-Dec-2010 16:42:03] <csabo> i have to build my agent depot first
[01-Dec-2010 16:42:22] <csabo> once you get the OS agent on the box, you can supposedly push any nonOS (application) agents from the webgui
[01-Dec-2010 16:42:28] <rmatte> "Sorry, we can't monitor your guruplug unless you have 2.8GB free on it"
[01-Dec-2010 16:42:31] <rhettardo> i  use agents in the form of monit
[01-Dec-2010 16:42:35] <csabo> lmao
[01-Dec-2010 16:43:15] <axelilly> what agents are you talking about?
[01-Dec-2010 16:43:24] <csabo> the ones from the matrix
[01-Dec-2010 16:43:26] <csabo> installing smith atm
[01-Dec-2010 16:43:35] <axelilly> oh, smith agent
[01-Dec-2010 16:43:42] <csabo> or Flo
[01-Dec-2010 16:43:47] <csabo> the progressive lady
[01-Dec-2010 16:43:50] <csabo> shes an agent right?
[01-Dec-2010 16:43:56] <axelilly> or clerk?
[01-Dec-2010 16:44:09] <csabo> stop being sassy axelilly
[01-Dec-2010 16:44:28] * axelilly goes back to installing ESXi monitor
[01-Dec-2010 16:44:34] <csabo> lol @ ibm terms, the event console is called "situation console"
[01-Dec-2010 16:44:43] <rmatte> woot
[01-Dec-2010 16:44:48] <csabo> BOSS! we've got 10 situations here
[01-Dec-2010 16:44:48] <rmatte> "we've got a situation here!"
[01-Dec-2010 16:44:51] <csabo> lol
[01-Dec-2010 16:44:54] <rmatte> haha
[01-Dec-2010 16:44:57] <rmatte> that would rock
[01-Dec-2010 16:45:05] <csabo> its 110% java
[01-Dec-2010 16:45:07] <rmatte> I vote that Zenoss rename the event console to the situation console
[01-Dec-2010 16:45:08] <csabo> it crashes like mad
[01-Dec-2010 16:45:11] <csabo> +1
[01-Dec-2010 16:45:13] <csabo> cgibbons: do it
[01-Dec-2010 16:45:15] <rmatte> yeh, java blows, hard
[01-Dec-2010 16:45:37] <rmatte> java's hold up line is "GIVE ME ALL YOUR MEMORY!"
[01-Dec-2010 16:45:42] <cgibbons> mmm java
[01-Dec-2010 16:45:55] <rmatte> It's fine for smaller apps
[01-Dec-2010 16:47:24] <csabo> lol
[01-Dec-2010 16:47:34] <csabo> heres 2 entries in the HUGE list of unix agents availible
[01-Dec-2010 16:47:36] <csabo> http://pastebin.com/4qe85Zef
[01-Dec-2010 16:47:41] <csabo> can you tell wtf they are? i cant
[01-Dec-2010 16:49:19] <csabo> when in doubt, install everythign
[01-Dec-2010 16:50:16] <rmatte> baaaaad idea
[01-Dec-2010 16:50:17] <rmatte> 
[01-Dec-2010 16:50:25] <rhettardo> ha
[01-Dec-2010 16:50:30] <csabo> pfft
[01-Dec-2010 16:50:32] <csabo> so you say
[01-Dec-2010 16:50:43] <csabo> you dont even live in a real country
[01-Dec-2010 16:50:46] <csabo> i cant trust you
[01-Dec-2010 16:50:54] <rmatte> you sound like one of those people who decide to install every single ZenPack on the ZenPack page and then complain that their install isn't working properly
[01-Dec-2010 16:51:25] <rmatte> 
[01-Dec-2010 16:51:38] <csabo> lol
[01-Dec-2010 16:51:50] <csabo> i didnt have to install any zenpacks to have issues
[01-Dec-2010 16:51:52] <csabo> i used 3.0
[01-Dec-2010 16:51:58] <csabo> its codename is issues
[01-Dec-2010 16:52:11] <rmatte> right now, yeh
[01-Dec-2010 16:52:36] <csabo> hopefully they are doing a 304
[01-Dec-2010 16:52:37] <csabo> not 310
[01-Dec-2010 16:52:46] <rmatte> I doubt they are
[01-Dec-2010 16:52:56] <rmatte> they are jumping straight to 3.1 from the looks of it
[01-Dec-2010 16:53:11] <csabo> makes you kinda feel like you're using a daily CVS build of windows Vista 
[01-Dec-2010 16:53:18] <rmatte> lol
[01-Dec-2010 16:53:38] <rmatte> that's why I'll be on 2.5.2 until I see something to make me change my mind
[01-Dec-2010 16:53:39] <csabo> step 1) git sync step 2) crash zenoss step 3) profit!
[01-Dec-2010 17:00:34] <venture37> looking around there was talk of an attempt at creating a freebsd port of zenoss
[01-Dec-2010 17:00:39] <venture37> what happened?
[01-Dec-2010 17:07:21] <cgibbons> i kinda doubt the next release will be called 3.1 
[01-Dec-2010 17:07:57] <rmatte> 4.0?
[01-Dec-2010 17:19:53] <venture37> java is required doing upgrades?
[01-Dec-2010 17:20:19] <rmatte> he's not talking about Zenoss
[01-Dec-2010 17:20:22] <rmatte> he's talking about tivoli
[01-Dec-2010 17:20:53] <venture37> sorry rmatte, that was an unrelated question, I should've been clearer
[01-Dec-2010 17:21:11] <venture37> reading the zenoss core installation guide from source
[01-Dec-2010 17:21:18] <venture37> 10.1.2.1. Verify Prerequisites
[01-Dec-2010 17:21:25] <venture37> "Verify that Sun JRE 1.5 or later version is installed on your system."
[01-Dec-2010 17:22:02] <venture37> is that a legacy dependancy or java is required for doing upgrades going forward
[01-Dec-2010 17:26:04] <rmatte> why are you even doing a source install?
[01-Dec-2010 17:26:22] <venture37> because you have provided a package for my platform
[01-Dec-2010 17:26:24] <venture37> 
[01-Dec-2010 17:26:37] <rmatte> what platform?
[01-Dec-2010 17:26:41] <venture37> freebsd
[01-Dec-2010 17:26:45] <rmatte> ah
[01-Dec-2010 17:27:08] <rmatte> have you ever tried enabling Linux emulation and just doing a stack install?
[01-Dec-2010 17:27:22] <venture37> I'd rather not
[01-Dec-2010 17:27:42] <rmatte> I'd be curious to see if it works, FreeBSD's Linux emulation is very good
[01-Dec-2010 17:28:16] <rmatte> either way, I don't know why they ask for JRE, I don't see any Java libraries in the dependencies
[01-Dec-2010 17:28:27] <venture37> I detest linux so it's not an option for me + I'm trying to have a got at writing a port
[01-Dec-2010 17:28:29] <mray> it's a build optimization
[01-Dec-2010 17:28:39] <mray> there's a java tool that optimizes the javascript
[01-Dec-2010 17:28:46] <rmatte> ah
[01-Dec-2010 17:28:48] <mray> slower UI if you build without it
[01-Dec-2010 17:29:02] <rmatte> mray to the rescue 
[01-Dec-2010 17:29:21] * mray returns to his Ruby book
[01-Dec-2010 17:29:24] <rmatte> yeh, I remember looking at some of the javascript, all squashed on to 1 line
[01-Dec-2010 17:29:27] <rmatte> guess that's what that does
[01-Dec-2010 17:29:35] <venture37> ah cool
[01-Dec-2010 17:29:45] <venture37> cause I'm having major issues with java atm
[01-Dec-2010 17:30:10] <venture37> up until openjdk 1.7 java is broken on dual stacked hosts
[01-Dec-2010 17:30:38] <venture37> I'm ready to throw in the towl with opennms & give this a whirl
[01-Dec-2010 17:31:07] <Orv> venture37: You could do worse...
[01-Dec-2010 17:31:20] <rmatte> There are a few people who do run Zenoss on FreeBSD, but it tends to be a bit problematic
[01-Dec-2010 17:31:25] <venture37> openjdk 1.7 is now installed but now opennms has issues with jdk, sigh
[01-Dec-2010 17:31:37] <venture37> how so?
[01-Dec-2010 17:31:59] <rmatte> In my personal experience... weird issue such as a daemon will be running fine and all of a sudden one day it'll refuse to start
[01-Dec-2010 17:32:04] <rmatte> just out of the blue
[01-Dec-2010 17:32:29] <rmatte> upgrades are apparently a pain too when upgrading source (I've never done one, just from what I've heard)
[01-Dec-2010 17:32:55] <venture37> are you running it on freebsd too rmatte ?
[01-Dec-2010 17:33:01] <rmatte> no, linux
[01-Dec-2010 17:33:12] <rmatte> the install on linux takes minutes, and runs flawlessly
[01-Dec-2010 17:33:20] <rmatte> but I guess you guys are an all BSD shop?
[01-Dec-2010 17:33:57] <venture37> it's for myself, a mixture of the 3 main bsds, solaris, cisco & juniper routers
[01-Dec-2010 17:34:18] <rmatte> honestly, for the monitoring server I'd recommend linux
[01-Dec-2010 17:34:28] <rmatte> if you plan to use Zenoss
[01-Dec-2010 17:34:43] <rmatte> It's not tested in FreeBSD, so you can run in to all sorts of fun problems with it
[01-Dec-2010 17:35:11] <rmatte> Unless you're one of those people who are allergic to Linux for whatever reasobn
[01-Dec-2010 17:35:13] <rmatte> reason*
[01-Dec-2010 17:35:24] <rmatte> I used to be like that for the first couple years I used FreeBSD
[01-Dec-2010 17:35:28] <rmatte> lol
[01-Dec-2010 17:35:36] <venture37> scroll up
[01-Dec-2010 17:35:52] <rmatte> to which?
[01-Dec-2010 17:35:57] <venture37> "venture37: I detest linux so it's not an option for me + I'm trying to have a got at writing a port"
[01-Dec-2010 17:36:02] <rmatte> ah
[01-Dec-2010 17:36:18] <rmatte> oh, if you're trying to write a port good stuff
[01-Dec-2010 17:36:29] <rmatte> I've been meaning to give that a go but haven't gotten around to it
[01-Dec-2010 17:36:43] <venture37> I found this http://blog.caseyhillman.com/?p=88#more-88
[01-Dec-2010 17:36:55] <venture37> that's why I was asking about the freebsd port
[01-Dec-2010 17:36:57] <rmatte> yeh, I remember reading that
[01-Dec-2010 17:37:01] <rmatte> that was for 2.4 though
[01-Dec-2010 17:37:10] <rmatte> quite a bit has changed between 2.4 and 3.0
[01-Dec-2010 17:37:26] <rmatte> not to say that the steps won't work
[01-Dec-2010 17:37:35] <rmatte> just something to consider
[01-Dec-2010 17:37:41] <venture37> what's with the build script, why impose running under the user zenoss?
[01-Dec-2010 17:38:00] <rmatte> permissions most likely
[01-Dec-2010 17:38:15] <venture37> that can be set afterwards though?!
[01-Dec-2010 17:38:29] <venture37> fix_zenhome_owner_and_group()
[01-Dec-2010 17:38:30] <venture37> lol
[01-Dec-2010 17:54:14] * rmatte shrugs
[01-Dec-2010 17:54:44] <rmatte> maybe something to do with zope access
[01-Dec-2010 17:55:00] <rmatte> the zenoss user has a bunch of environment variables set on it
[01-Dec-2010 17:55:51] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/dkeH/raw/
[01-Dec-2010 17:56:03] <rmatte> It probably needs the env vars as part of the setup
[01-Dec-2010 17:56:28] <cgibbons> rmatte: yeah, 4.0 or maybe 3.5
[01-Dec-2010 17:56:35] <rmatte> 3.5 sounds better
[01-Dec-2010 17:56:37] <rmatte> 
[01-Dec-2010 17:56:42] <rmatte> don't want to jump too quickly
[01-Dec-2010 17:56:53] <rmatte> "We are prod to announce Zenoss 27.1"
[01-Dec-2010 17:56:55] <rmatte> proud*
[01-Dec-2010 17:57:24] <cgibbons> The architectural changes are pretty massive so there's a lot of good reasons to make it sound scary 
[01-Dec-2010 17:57:38] <rmatte> lol
[01-Dec-2010 17:57:44] <cgibbons> I don't know about a 3.0.4 though. Right now, certainly not in the works at all. But lots can change at any time with that sort of thing.
[01-Dec-2010 17:57:51] <rmatte> yeh, I'm looking forward to seeing how well relstorage works out
[01-Dec-2010 17:58:36] <rmatte> I'm going to write up what I think should be changed in terms of template editing/copying on the new UI and pin it to a trac ticket
[01-Dec-2010 17:58:52] <rmatte> there are 3 or 4 small changes that could be made and it would be way better
[01-Dec-2010 17:59:21] nonsenso_ is now known as nonsenso
[01-Dec-2010 17:59:55] <rmatte> If even those small changes were to make it in to a 3.0.4 release I'm sure people would be ecstatic, since they are basically all I'm waiting on before upgrading
[01-Dec-2010 18:00:53] <rmatte> the UI in general is pretty decent
[01-Dec-2010 18:30:21] <rhettardo> why is there no chicken in my black pepper chicken!
[01-Dec-2010 18:30:25] <rhettardo> damn you panda express
[01-Dec-2010 18:32:50] <ablew_> black pepper chicken racket
[01-Dec-2010 18:33:34] <cgibbons> yum
[01-Dec-2010 18:35:15] <SEJeff_work> How do you tell zenoss to classify an incoming syslog message that it should be in a specific event class?
[01-Dec-2010 18:35:20] <SEJeff_work> instead of the default of /Unknown
[01-Dec-2010 18:48:11] <willwh> hey guys - I could use a little help in some basic snmp troubleshooting
[01-Dec-2010 18:48:37] <willwh> I've just set up a new zenoss deploy (splitting our infrastructure down the middle)
[01-Dec-2010 18:48:46] <willwh> so we have a 2.5.* and 3.0* zenoss setup
[01-Dec-2010 18:49:27] <willwh> one of the boxing I am monitoring was just fine on the old 2.5.* setup -> when I add it through our 3.0* deploy - I can't snmpwalk it remotly
[01-Dec-2010 18:51:25] <Orv> willwh: Check your snmpd.conf on that box; make sure it's not restricted to responding to the IP address of the old zenoss install.
[01-Dec-2010 18:51:31] <rhettardo> ^
[01-Dec-2010 18:52:19] <willwh> hah - interesting - I don't have any restrictions like that
[01-Dec-2010 18:52:33] <willwh> and indeed - all I do have is rocommunity, syslocation and contact
[01-Dec-2010 18:55:24] <willwh> hrm, I checed uptables too - no drop all or anything
[01-Dec-2010 18:55:33] <willwh> or drops rules for the zenoss ip
[01-Dec-2010 18:55:35] <willwh> hrm
[01-Dec-2010 19:01:57] <willwh> I am stumped.
[01-Dec-2010 19:03:21] <willwh> I am using v2c too... not 3.
[01-Dec-2010 19:03:38] <nonsenso> can you telnet to the port?
[01-Dec-2010 19:04:14] <rhettardo> its udp
[01-Dec-2010 19:04:16] <rhettardo> by default
[01-Dec-2010 19:04:34] <willwh> yeah - like I say - I can snmpwalk it locally
[01-Dec-2010 19:04:45] <willwh> just not external - and I don't have any explicit denies anywhere
[01-Dec-2010 19:04:49] <rhettardo> you can still walk it from the 2.5 box?
[01-Dec-2010 19:05:07] <nonsenso> oh, right.  udp.  
[01-Dec-2010 19:05:07] <rhettardo> can you take down iptables for a few seconds and see if you can walk it then?
[01-Dec-2010 19:05:27] <nonsenso> tcpwrappers or somethin?
[01-Dec-2010 19:05:31] <willwh> rhettardo: I can still yes
[01-Dec-2010 19:06:46] <rhettardo> what distro is this btw, not that it matters all that much
[01-Dec-2010 19:07:54] <willwh> errr, this box is running centos I think
[01-Dec-2010 19:08:41] <willwh> yup
[01-Dec-2010 19:08:48] <rhettardo> i'd start by 'service iptables stop' then try to walk it externally
[01-Dec-2010 19:09:28] <rhettardo> from there i'd probably add/modify the com2sec line to something like this 'com2sec mynetwork 0.0.0.0/24 public'
[01-Dec-2010 19:09:34] <willwh> and......success.
[01-Dec-2010 19:10:14] <rhettardo> cool
[01-Dec-2010 19:11:32] <cgibbons> argh sql puzzle
[01-Dec-2010 19:12:12] <willwh> rhettardo: sorry the com2sec line
[01-Dec-2010 19:12:19] <willwh> what's that? (I'll go google)
[01-Dec-2010 19:12:45] <willwh> ah snmp rules 
[01-Dec-2010 19:13:09] <rhettardo> yes
[01-Dec-2010 19:13:15] <willwh> I would have expected this; [~]# iptables -L -n | grep com2sec
[01-Dec-2010 19:13:19] <willwh> to return something
[01-Dec-2010 19:13:19] <willwh> ?
[01-Dec-2010 19:13:34] <rhettardo> no
[01-Dec-2010 19:13:37] <willwh> iptables -L -n
[01-Dec-2010 19:13:40] <rhettardo> its in /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf
[01-Dec-2010 19:13:47] <willwh> or, should be 
[01-Dec-2010 19:15:19] <rhettardo> http://pastebin.com/hhfRCJLd  simple snmpd.conf
[01-Dec-2010 19:16:17] <willwh> mynetwork being the community name?
[01-Dec-2010 19:16:39] <rhettardo> no, thats just an identifier, 'public' is the community name
[01-Dec-2010 19:16:53] <willwh> gotcha 
[01-Dec-2010 19:18:46] <willwh> hang on....
[01-Dec-2010 19:18:50] <willwh> < need to slap myself
[01-Dec-2010 19:18:59] <venture37> making slow progress with missing dependencies as I try to build 3.0.3 on freebsd
[01-Dec-2010 19:19:35] <willwh> rhettardo: thanks muchly for the assistance - although I see the problem
[01-Dec-2010 19:19:39] <willwh> 
[01-Dec-2010 19:19:43] <willwh> *I hope* 
[01-Dec-2010 19:20:18] <rhettardo> no problem
[01-Dec-2010 19:20:49] <willwh> hmm
[01-Dec-2010 19:20:50] <willwh> or not
[01-Dec-2010 19:23:59] <willwh> rhettardo: I should just need to add your first line to my snmpd.conf and restart snmpd service?
[01-Dec-2010 19:24:09] <willwh> with correct community name
[01-Dec-2010 19:25:17] <willwh> must be something to do with my iptables - but I am not sure what
[01-Dec-2010 19:25:23] <willwh> more digging required tomorrow - time for home
[01-Dec-2010 19:25:24] <willwh> 
[01-Dec-2010 19:25:30] <willwh> thanks again!
[01-Dec-2010 19:29:38] <rhettardo> nah, if it works w/ iptables down then we need to open up that by editing /etc/sysconfig/iptables
[01-Dec-2010 19:31:59] <rhettardo> if you add this "-A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p udp -m udp -m state --dport 161 --state NEW -j ACCEPT" above your "REJECT" line and do 'service iptables restart' you should be good
[01-Dec-2010 19:32:12] <rhettardo> but that opens up SNMP to everything
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[01-Dec-2010 20:00:58] <venture37> is the build process smart enough to recognise components are already installed & skip them or does it have to build each components itself
[01-Dec-2010 20:01:10] <venture37> e.g nagios plugins
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[02-Dec-2010 05:38:56] <kokey> which modeler plugin does all the interface stuff?
[02-Dec-2010 05:41:19] <Simon4> InterfaceMap
[02-Dec-2010 05:42:21] <kokey> aah
[02-Dec-2010 05:42:52] <kokey> thanks
[02-Dec-2010 05:43:01] <kokey> i was looking in the zenmodel dir
[02-Dec-2010 05:47:06] <Simon4> DataCollector/Plugins/zenoss/snmp I think
[02-Dec-2010 05:47:33] <kokey> yeah found it, nice
[02-Dec-2010 05:47:58] <kokey> we got the guy who is leaving saying there's some custom stuff we have to do on our extranet routers
[02-Dec-2010 05:48:15] <Simon4> custom modellers aren't too hard
[02-Dec-2010 05:52:39] <kokey> e.g. we need alerting only on ethernet0/0, which i figure is something that can be set up outside of modding a modeler
[02-Dec-2010 05:52:55] <Simon4> but you want graphs for other interfaces?
[02-Dec-2010 05:52:59] <kokey> but we also need to do the util stuff based on something else which is not the actual line speed
[02-Dec-2010 05:53:11] <kokey> yeah i'm happy with graphing all the interfaces
[02-Dec-2010 05:53:20] <kokey> i prefer just graphing all the interfaces anyway
[02-Dec-2010 05:53:26] <Simon4> oui
[02-Dec-2010 05:53:50] <Simon4> so you could event transform any interface that's not eth0 to be evt._action = drop
[02-Dec-2010 05:54:14] <kokey> transform, outside of the modeling?
[02-Dec-2010 05:54:35] <kokey> ah, actually yeah on alerting rules
[02-Dec-2010 05:54:38] <Simon4> yeah, event transforms happen when an event is raised/sent to the zenhub, they're snippets of python you can write to do all sorts of shit to events
[02-Dec-2010 05:54:46] <kokey> yeah cool
[02-Dec-2010 05:54:48] <Simon4> so before alerting rules get fired
[02-Dec-2010 05:55:24] * Simon4 can't say his job is ever boring, today I'm tcpdumping a hudson irc bot
[02-Dec-2010 05:55:31] <kokey> now just to sort out this business where he is saying the line speed is not actually the speed to the customer
[02-Dec-2010 05:55:48] <Simon4> is the speed available via snmp on the device elsewhere?
[02-Dec-2010 05:56:35] <kokey> dunno, the guy who is leaving babbled some stuff
[02-Dec-2010 05:56:51] <kokey> personally i suspect that the line speed is right
[02-Dec-2010 05:56:59] <Simon4> *dontforgetthisreallyfuckingimportantthing* BYE!
[02-Dec-2010 05:57:21] <kokey> it's just that even tho it's an openview implementation he wrote the stuff that got the info off the interfaces manually
[02-Dec-2010 05:58:10] <kokey> the conversation this morning started with him wanting to know if we could so something like trigger a script to check the interfaces to set them up since the ifindex changes
[02-Dec-2010 05:58:54] <Simon4> argh
[02-Dec-2010 05:58:59] <Simon4> ifindex changing makes for pain
[02-Dec-2010 05:59:13] <kokey> well i'm sure it's picked up during modeling
[02-Dec-2010 05:59:16] <Simon4> a remodel will sort that out though
[02-Dec-2010 05:59:17] <Simon4> yeah
[02-Dec-2010 05:59:21] <kokey> and everything else after that happens by ifname since
[02-Dec-2010 06:00:10] <kokey> the issue here is that it seems like he reinvented the wheel here massively and in a convoluted way that only he can manage
[02-Dec-2010 06:00:33] <kokey> and the system spews out thousands of alerts each day that no one looks at
[02-Dec-2010 06:00:43] <kokey> lots of duplicates
[02-Dec-2010 06:00:57] <kokey> and i'm sure openview has some ability to deal with duplicates
[02-Dec-2010 06:01:22] <kokey> but i've seen a lot of his home grown plugins for openview sends out emails themselves etc.
[02-Dec-2010 06:01:35] <Simon4> oh joy
[02-Dec-2010 06:02:07] <kokey> the guy writes some nice scripts tho, and likes to learn new languages
[02-Dec-2010 06:02:31] <kokey> i think he was just left on his own too long to do this
[02-Dec-2010 06:23:47] <kokey> is there a way to trigger a mass remodel?
[02-Dec-2010 06:25:33] <Simon4> zenmodeler run -p "/Device/Class/Goes/Here"
[02-Dec-2010 06:28:01] <kokey> nice one, thanks
[02-Dec-2010 06:28:08] <kokey> i owe you a lot of beer by now
[02-Dec-2010 06:29:11] <kokey> urgh so the guy who is leaving
[02-Dec-2010 06:29:17] <kokey> i'll just call him exit guy from now on
[02-Dec-2010 06:29:28] <kokey> he rolled out systemedge everywhere
[02-Dec-2010 06:29:41] <kokey> and he loves snmp traps
[02-Dec-2010 06:29:57] <kokey> and he's changed the global systemedge config to throw all the traps to my box
[02-Dec-2010 06:30:15] <kokey> i wonder how many of those traps are custom and how many are standard
[02-Dec-2010 06:30:22] <kokey> i'll load the mib and see
[02-Dec-2010 06:42:04] <kokey> mib is tiny, yeah lots of custom nonsense
[02-Dec-2010 06:43:07] <froztbyte> \o/
[02-Dec-2010 06:43:13] <kokey> can one load mibs from the command line?
[02-Dec-2010 06:43:18] <froztbyte> yup
[02-Dec-2010 06:43:33] <kokey> zenmib run ./nameofmib.mib.
[02-Dec-2010 06:43:35] <Simon4> zenmib
[02-Dec-2010 06:43:38] <Simon4> 
[02-Dec-2010 06:43:41] <froztbyte> smack them in a path somewhere, su - zenoss, cd /path/to/mibs; zenmib run *
[02-Dec-2010 06:44:04] <froztbyte> PROTIP: snmpd CANNOT do its own dir enumeration
[02-Dec-2010 06:44:18] <froztbyte> you need to -M it for anything extra you want to add....
[02-Dec-2010 06:44:21] <kokey> does it always use the file in that path or does it load them and keep them in the db?
[02-Dec-2010 06:44:30] <Simon4> the latter
[02-Dec-2010 06:44:32] <froztbyte> loads them into DB
[02-Dec-2010 06:44:43] <kokey> ok cool
[02-Dec-2010 06:44:50] <froztbyte> it reads the mib and compiles an in-zenoss set of information for use by the event manager
[02-Dec-2010 06:44:50] <kokey> since the sysedge mibs are on an NFS mount
[02-Dec-2010 06:45:48] <kokey> if you load the same mib twice should it behave?
[02-Dec-2010 06:46:02] <Simon4> *nod*
[02-Dec-2010 06:46:11] <Simon4> it'll probably just have a whinge
[02-Dec-2010 06:46:18] <kokey> ok cool
[02-Dec-2010 06:48:34] <froztbyte> speaking of mibs, does anyone have a recommendation for compiling them? not something I've done before, but might need to do soon
[02-Dec-2010 06:49:40] <kokey> good luck
[02-Dec-2010 06:50:12] <Simon4> we've been ditching traps for using zenoss's syslogd here of late
[02-Dec-2010 06:50:30] <Simon4> it saves writing transforms for traps to make them more human readable for 24/7 type people
[02-Dec-2010 06:50:30] <froztbyte> I need a mix of traps with syslog
[02-Dec-2010 06:50:42] <froztbyte> mostly because of vendor equipment stuff
[02-Dec-2010 06:51:01] <froztbyte> speaking of, I need to do that zensyslog patch this week
[02-Dec-2010 06:51:06] <kokey> i don't like traps
[02-Dec-2010 06:51:12] <kokey> i avoid them as far as possible
[02-Dec-2010 06:51:20] <kokey> i rather poll for stuff
[02-Dec-2010 06:51:39] <froztbyte> I don't have an option otherwise
[02-Dec-2010 06:51:52] <froztbyte> I've got some devices that will literally fall over if I poll them
[02-Dec-2010 06:52:03] <kokey> i find with most things you can poll the same status as a trap goes for
[02-Dec-2010 06:52:05] <froztbyte> but their architecture allows for traps to come out
[02-Dec-2010 06:52:12] <kokey> froztbyte: haha, ok
[02-Dec-2010 06:52:19] <froztbyte> and they don't syslog
[02-Dec-2010 06:52:52] <froztbyte> half, at most, of the devices I ever need to care about is a *nix-like system that I can have it do my bidding
[02-Dec-2010 06:53:12] <froztbyte> the other chunk are embedded devices that I can't tweak really far
[02-Dec-2010 06:53:18] <kokey> even APC gear is not too crap at polling
[02-Dec-2010 06:53:30] <froztbyte> and that's where most of my work on zenoss has gone to so far
[02-Dec-2010 06:53:39] <froztbyte> kokey: yeah, APC are pretty damn SNMP friendly
[02-Dec-2010 06:54:04] <kokey> HP PDUs and the likes too
[02-Dec-2010 06:54:17] <Simon4> the problem with polling something like an APC ATS is that in 5 minutes you could have a power event where it flicks over then back, and you'll miss it
[02-Dec-2010 06:54:24] <froztbyte> mmmmm, I haven't had any of those to deal with yet
[02-Dec-2010 06:54:27] <kokey> only monitored Denco aircons before, but they're fine to scrape a web page instead of doing traps
[02-Dec-2010 06:54:34] <Simon4> as much as it might not impact service, knowing about it helps to point the finger at colo providers 
[02-Dec-2010 06:54:42] <froztbyte> but given HPs touting of SIM and such, I imagine their whole stack is pretty nice
[02-Dec-2010 06:55:10] <kokey> we had over 1000 HP DL360 servers at my last gig
[02-Dec-2010 06:55:21] <kokey> and i monitored them over snmp using the HP agents
[02-Dec-2010 06:55:40] <kokey> hpasm but now has some new names
[02-Dec-2010 06:55:54] <kokey> little plugins written in C to poll them over snmp
[02-Dec-2010 06:56:13] <kokey> worked fine even with nagios spawning children to run these plugins
[02-Dec-2010 06:57:05] <froztbyte> the latest incarnation with iLO3 is called Insight Manager, iirc
[02-Dec-2010 06:57:11] <froztbyte> it looks pretty damn hot
[02-Dec-2010 06:57:24] <froztbyte> I haven't had a chance to roll it out completely in my env, no VM space previously
[02-Dec-2010 06:57:37] <froztbyte> but with the KVM tests we're doing now, I might have a shot at playing with it
[02-Dec-2010 06:58:19] <kokey> can an ilo3 interface also be used as a normal interface?
[02-Dec-2010 06:58:28] <kokey> i vaguely remember that being possible from ilo2
[02-Dec-2010 06:58:35] <froztbyte> how do you mean?
[02-Dec-2010 06:58:53] <froztbyte> ilo3 used in a browser, standalone per box?
[02-Dec-2010 06:58:58] <kokey> in older ilo you can only get to the ilo stuff on that interface
[02-Dec-2010 06:59:10] <kokey> but with newer ilo you can also have it be a nic to the OS
[02-Dec-2010 06:59:15] <RuslanPopov> re
[02-Dec-2010 06:59:19] <froztbyte> kokey: ooooh
[02-Dec-2010 06:59:35] <kokey> in other words you can use it as a management interface to ssh into the OS or get to the snmpd on the OS too
[02-Dec-2010 06:59:43] <RuslanPopov> ppl, how to show SNMP's dskPercent as a graph on zenoss page?
[02-Dec-2010 06:59:45] <kokey> kind of like how it works on sun servers
[02-Dec-2010 06:59:47] <froztbyte> yes, one of the later ilo2 editions already solved that issue on the shared ports
[02-Dec-2010 07:00:15] <froztbyte> so the interface doubles up as ilo and a NIC, different MACs presented on one physical interface
[02-Dec-2010 07:00:23] <froztbyte> think that was around the g5's
[02-Dec-2010 07:00:32] <Simon4> kokey: you can?
[02-Dec-2010 07:00:42] <froztbyte> RuslanPopov: edit the performance template
[02-Dec-2010 07:00:47] <kokey> we just had dl360 g3, g4 and g4p
[02-Dec-2010 07:01:05] <froztbyte> we've got a few g5's, and then now rolling out g7's everywhere
[02-Dec-2010 07:01:11] <kokey> Simon4: yeah it's handy on 1U boxes where you have say two NICs for redundancy and use the ilo then for management
[02-Dec-2010 07:01:15] <froztbyte> they're so pretty *drools*
[02-Dec-2010 07:01:26] <Simon4> kokey: I need to work out how to do this 
[02-Dec-2010 07:01:26] <kokey> we've got g5s where i am now
[02-Dec-2010 07:01:39] <kokey> but we use a lot of DL380 boxes here
[02-Dec-2010 07:01:39] <froztbyte> Simon4: it's a setting under the ilo network setup somewhere
[02-Dec-2010 07:01:48] * Simon4 will dig, cheers 
[02-Dec-2010 07:01:53] <kokey> and just took on some HP blades which i'm keen to toy with
[02-Dec-2010 07:02:31] <froztbyte> we've got split deployments between blades and 360s/380s
[02-Dec-2010 07:02:42] <froztbyte> depending on what he client orders
[02-Dec-2010 07:03:19] <froztbyte> Simon4: iLO documentation refers to it as Shared Network, looks like
[02-Dec-2010 07:03:53] <kokey> heh
[02-Dec-2010 07:04:05] <kokey> i added a router now, seems like it has 343 routes
[02-Dec-2010 07:04:31] <froztbyte> do that with a full global routing table sometime :/
[02-Dec-2010 07:05:14] <Simon4> heh
[02-Dec-2010 07:05:26] <Simon4> routemapcollectindirect or osmething in configuration properties
[02-Dec-2010 07:05:30] <Simon4> you can neuter it I think
[02-Dec-2010 07:05:41] <froztbyte> yeah, I've had to remove the collector in some places
[02-Dec-2010 07:05:49] <froztbyte> but man, that can raep your router...
[02-Dec-2010 07:06:19] <froztbyte> not all our clients have big-cpu routers, and especially on the smaller ciscos that hurts
[02-Dec-2010 07:12:29] <RuslanPopov> froztbyte, DeviceList -> MyDev -> Status -> v -> More -> Templates ???
[02-Dec-2010 07:12:51] <RuslanPopov> there is just 'device' template (I use zenoss 2.5)
[02-Dec-2010 07:13:20] <RuslanPopov> ah, this is performance template
[02-Dec-2010 07:13:21] <froztbyte> RuslanPopov: have you referred to the documentation to see how to edit templates?
[02-Dec-2010 07:14:17] <RuslanPopov> not yet, coz I don't know where to begin, now it seems I know 
[02-Dec-2010 07:14:47] <froztbyte> the documentation is very good
[02-Dec-2010 07:14:53] <froztbyte> there's just a helluva lot of it at times
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[02-Dec-2010 07:16:34] <RuslanPopov> 13. Performance Monitoring
[02-Dec-2010 07:49:49] <kokey> ok, silly thing, i got this multi nic card i'm monitored and i get events on a bunch of ports i don't care about, how can i disable events for that?
[02-Dec-2010 07:51:34] <froztbyte> event transform them
[02-Dec-2010 07:52:02] <kokey> all i want to do is click on them and select 'shut up forever'
[02-Dec-2010 07:52:23] <froztbyte> yeah, it's a bit annoying that it's not supported by default :/
[02-Dec-2010 07:52:49] <froztbyte> it's the same with some of the OSProcess stuff, zenoss tends to fight you a bit on unmonitoring them
[02-Dec-2010 07:53:56] <froztbyte> you can do evt._action = "drop" or evt._action = "history", depending on whether you care to keep them around
[02-Dec-2010 07:54:15] <kokey> these are stuff that comes out of the HP proliant zenpack
[02-Dec-2010 07:55:23] <kokey> it's just that some of the network interface hardware stuff gives a status of 'other'
[02-Dec-2010 07:56:23] <kokey> ok i guess i have to learn how to do event transforms
[02-Dec-2010 07:56:35] <froztbyte> docs/DOC-2554
[02-Dec-2010 07:56:37] <froztbyte> good read
[02-Dec-2010 07:56:43] <kokey> but it goes against the whole idea about trying to do as little as possible custom stuff on this setup
[02-Dec-2010 07:57:02] <froztbyte> docs/DOC-3538 is also awesome
[02-Dec-2010 07:57:06] <froztbyte> kokey: yup :/
[02-Dec-2010 07:57:16] <Simon4> kokey: you can save your customisations like that to a zenpack
[02-Dec-2010 07:57:16] <kokey> with processes it's been easy
[02-Dec-2010 07:57:19] <Simon4> which makes them portable
[02-Dec-2010 07:57:42] <kokey> i just override monitoring in a class that i don't want that process monitored in
[02-Dec-2010 07:57:52] <kokey> for that process
[02-Dec-2010 07:59:47] <kokey> isn't there a way to tell it that the current state is the way we want it to be?
[02-Dec-2010 08:00:10] <Simon4> what is the exact alert you're seeing?
[02-Dec-2010 08:00:30] <kokey> e.g. i like those interfaces in the 'other' state, which is because no cable is plugged in, and i want it to alert when that changes
[02-Dec-2010 08:00:44] <kokey> threshold of status exceeded: current status other
[02-Dec-2010 08:00:53] <kokey> Component:       cpqNicIfPhysAdapter3_4
[02-Dec-2010 08:00:54] <Simon4> okay
[02-Dec-2010 08:00:54] <kokey> Event Class:      /Change/Set/Status
[02-Dec-2010 08:01:01] <Simon4> so it's a threshold in a template
[02-Dec-2010 08:02:13] <kokey> ah i think you've pointed me in a good way now
[02-Dec-2010 08:02:17] <csabo> good morning
[02-Dec-2010 08:03:13] <kokey> tho i would have thought if i could just acknowledge that it's in that state now, shut up until something new happens, that would suit me
[02-Dec-2010 08:03:27] <Simon4> you can acknoweledge the event
[02-Dec-2010 08:03:40] <Simon4> but that does leave it there
[02-Dec-2010 08:03:49] <csabo> you guys need a situation console
[02-Dec-2010 08:04:14] <Simon4> kokey: you migh tneed to look into a "point threshold" to get change notification type stuff
[02-Dec-2010 08:04:37] <RuslanPopov> how to check what template was used for device?
[02-Dec-2010 08:04:38] <Simon4> since normal thresholds don't take the previous value into account, just hte current one and a comparison value
[02-Dec-2010 08:04:41] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[02-Dec-2010 08:10:12] <kokey> perhaps i could just change the thresholds for now
[02-Dec-2010 08:11:03] <kokey> tho i don't understand this threshold thing StatusThreshold
[02-Dec-2010 08:11:16] <kokey> i guess i just need to read through that stuff in the docs
[02-Dec-2010 08:11:27] <kokey> like how to set these things up from scratch
[02-Dec-2010 08:30:42] <RuslanPopov> ZenOSS claims: User-supplied Python expression (${here.getTotalBlocks()/blockSize}) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks usedBlocks']
[02-Dec-2010 08:30:48] <RuslanPopov> what does it wont?
[02-Dec-2010 08:33:03] <RuslanPopov> I have loast my perf graphs, aaaaa
[02-Dec-2010 08:43:36] <froztbyte> does blockSize exist?
[02-Dec-2010 08:47:06] <RuslanPopov> I don't know, how to check it?
[02-Dec-2010 08:49:26] <froztbyte> RuslanPopov: using the technique from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkmlujV-TvU
[02-Dec-2010 08:54:41] <RuslanPopov> I guess the lyric is funny but I don't understand it
[02-Dec-2010 09:10:02] <chachan> good morning guys
[02-Dec-2010 09:42:46] <kokey> oh dear
[02-Dec-2010 09:42:49] <kokey> exit guy is becoming trouble
[02-Dec-2010 09:43:03] <kokey> he discovered that you can run nagios plugins in zenoss
[02-Dec-2010 09:43:22] <kokey> well i'll let him play with that maybe just to keep him distracted
[02-Dec-2010 09:43:31] <kokey> he can migrate his over and then i can switch them off after he leaves
[02-Dec-2010 09:43:58] <kokey> he's done stuff like write a nagios plugin that runs for 60 seconds, to wait 50 seconds between getting values over snmp so it can work out bytes/sec averages
[02-Dec-2010 10:02:18] <rmatte> kokey: a lot of his nagios plugins are probably pointless to migrate
[02-Dec-2010 10:02:28] <rmatte> kokey: make sure you keep an eye on what he's trying to do lol
[02-Dec-2010 10:04:07] <RuslanPopov> I hate zenoss  and it does the same to me
[02-Dec-2010 10:07:18] <rmatte> then you're not using it correctly 
[02-Dec-2010 10:07:48] <RuslanPopov> I have bind one template and zenoss ceases to show perf page
[02-Dec-2010 10:07:56] <RuslanPopov> how to get them back?
[02-Dec-2010 10:08:41] <RuslanPopov> zenoss is written with alien's logic in mind 
[02-Dec-2010 10:09:52] <rmatte> you're using Zenoss 2.5 or 3.0?
[02-Dec-2010 10:10:01] <RuslanPopov> 2.5
[02-Dec-2010 10:10:10] <rmatte> you need to hold down ctrl to select the templates
[02-Dec-2010 10:10:19] <rmatte> if you just click it'll unselect what's already selected
[02-Dec-2010 10:10:42] <rmatte> that's been changed in 3.0
[02-Dec-2010 10:10:59] <RuslanPopov> I am on /Devices/Server/Linux/pc01 and did More -> Templates
[02-Dec-2010 10:11:08] <RuslanPopov> I see there unneeded template
[02-Dec-2010 10:11:21] <RuslanPopov> but don't understand how to reset it
[02-Dec-2010 10:14:31] <RuslanPopov> heh, continue tomorrow
[02-Dec-2010 10:14:45] <csabo> lovely quit message
[02-Dec-2010 10:16:17] <kokey> rmatte: i see him testing out check_ping
[02-Dec-2010 10:21:45] <csabo> lol itanium windows agents
[02-Dec-2010 10:21:52] <csabo> put that in your situation console and smoke it
[02-Dec-2010 10:41:43] <rmatte> kokey: why bother with check_ping?
[02-Dec-2010 10:41:59] <rmatte> kokey: also, there's already an fping ZenPack that does that
[02-Dec-2010 10:42:23] mray1 is now known as mray
[02-Dec-2010 10:46:35] <kokey> rmatte: i know, but i'm starting to realise more why they are letting him go
[02-Dec-2010 10:46:45] <rmatte> lol
[02-Dec-2010 10:47:01] <kokey> he really should spend more time as a developer
[02-Dec-2010 10:47:05] <kokey> he likes writing code
[02-Dec-2010 10:47:21] <kokey> and likes to reinvent the wheel instead of finding out how something is supposed to be used
[02-Dec-2010 10:48:08] <rmatte> well, I love coding too, but I rarely re-invent the wheel
[02-Dec-2010 10:58:00] <csabo> rmatte hasnt grasped round objects
[02-Dec-2010 10:58:05] <csabo> he likes making squares
[02-Dec-2010 11:00:56] <cgibbons> hurm
[02-Dec-2010 11:15:52] <csabo> hi gibbons
[02-Dec-2010 11:17:23] <Simon4> kokey: he's done stuff like write a nagios plugin that runs for 60 seconds, to wait 50 seconds between getting values over snmp so it can work out bytes/sec averages <-- that's totally awesome 
[02-Dec-2010 11:17:31] <Simon4> you should introduce him to your friend COUNTER
[02-Dec-2010 11:26:13] <kokey> is /Net/Link/instances/snmp_linkUp something that comes with zenoss?
[02-Dec-2010 11:26:58] <csabo> not that i recall no
[02-Dec-2010 11:27:03] <csabo> i dont remember /net being a class
[02-Dec-2010 11:32:30] <kokey> Error processing transform/mapping on Event Class /Net/Link/instances/snmp_linkUp
[02-Dec-2010 11:33:06] <kokey> Problem with line 6: for obj in device.os.interfaces.objectItems():
[02-Dec-2010 11:33:18] <kokey> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'os'
[02-Dec-2010 11:33:32] <kokey> the transform is 0 index = None 1 for key, value in evt.__dict__.items(): 2 if key.find('1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.1') >= 0: 3 index = value 4 break 5 if index is not None: 6 for obj in device.os.interfaces.objectItems(): 7 if obj[1].ifinde
[02-Dec-2010 11:33:38] <kokey> it's on localhost
[02-Dec-2010 11:33:47] <kokey> i wonder if it's a bug or something he's busy breaking
[02-Dec-2010 11:34:21] <kokey> doesn't look like there's been modifications to that one tho
[02-Dec-2010 11:34:47] <Simon4>  /Net/Link is builtin
[02-Dec-2010 11:35:00] <Simon4> and it has mappings/transforms for snmp_linkUp and Down
[02-Dec-2010 11:35:18] <Simon4> that or exit guy has been hacking my test vm instance 
[02-Dec-2010 11:35:21] <csabo> hm shows what i know 
[02-Dec-2010 11:35:27] <csabo> i dont even use zenoss anymore lol
[02-Dec-2010 11:35:32] <csabo> i wish i did 
[02-Dec-2010 11:40:25] <rmatte> kokey: "device" doesn't exist by default
[02-Dec-2010 11:40:30] <rmatte> it either needs to be dev.
[02-Dec-2010 11:40:46] <rmatte> or something like: device = dmd.Devices.findDevice(evt.device)
[02-Dec-2010 11:40:49] <rmatte> needs to occur before it
[02-Dec-2010 11:41:07] <rmatte> change it to dev.os.interfaces.objectItems():
[02-Dec-2010 11:41:18] <rmatte> also, I don't recall a transform that complex being in that class by default
[02-Dec-2010 11:41:32] * rmatte checks
[02-Dec-2010 11:41:56] <rmatte> ah, so it is
[02-Dec-2010 11:42:00] <kokey> yeah please check
[02-Dec-2010 11:42:04] <zykes-> rmatte: how was it again to clear ip ?
[02-Dec-2010 11:42:11] <kokey> but i checked the modifications log and nothing's been changed it seems
[02-Dec-2010 11:42:15] <rmatte> zykes-: I said you couldn't in 3.0
[02-Dec-2010 11:42:22] <rmatte> just set it to whatever that device actually resolves to
[02-Dec-2010 11:42:28] <rmatte> but make sure zPingMonitorIgnore is active
[02-Dec-2010 11:42:34] <rmatte> and zSnmpMonitorIgnore
[02-Dec-2010 11:42:56] <rmatte> you can have multiple devices with the same IP as long as Zenoss isn't trying to monitor them all
[02-Dec-2010 11:43:23] <rmatte> kokey: it looks like the zenoss devs changed something to screw that transform up and no one caught it because not many people actually use that trap
[02-Dec-2010 11:43:24] <csabo> hmm
[02-Dec-2010 11:43:30] <rmatte> check the event transform
[02-Dec-2010 11:43:35] <csabo> zykes you have dynamic devices you want to monitor?
[02-Dec-2010 11:43:41] <csabo> and you're having issues with IPs changing?
[02-Dec-2010 11:43:42] <rmatte> and change device.os.interfaces.objectItems() to dev.os.interfaces.objectItems()
[02-Dec-2010 11:43:46] <rmatte> that should fix it
[02-Dec-2010 11:43:54] <rmatte> csabo: no no\
[02-Dec-2010 11:43:59] <csabo> ah
[02-Dec-2010 11:43:59] <rmatte> csabo: he has a bunch of websites
[02-Dec-2010 11:44:10] <csabo> porn i hope
[02-Dec-2010 11:44:10] <rmatte> the best way to monitor those is by hostname
[02-Dec-2010 11:44:14] <csabo> right
[02-Dec-2010 11:44:39] <rmatte> so I'm telling him to create devices and put them in a class, set zPingMonitorIgnore and zSnmpMonitorIgnore on the class
[02-Dec-2010 11:44:48] <rmatte> and set the IP on all of them to whatever they resolve to
[02-Dec-2010 11:44:57] <rmatte> which won't matter since Zenoss won't be looking at the IP
[02-Dec-2010 11:45:04] <csabo> yea
[02-Dec-2010 11:45:09] <rmatte> the HttpMon and Synthetic Transaction packs can monitor with just the hostname
[02-Dec-2010 11:45:12] <kokey> rmatte: ah so you think it's an snmp trap that triggered it?
[02-Dec-2010 11:45:24] <rmatte> kokey: I'm positive that it is
[02-Dec-2010 11:45:33] <rmatte> that event mapping is for an snmp trap
[02-Dec-2010 11:45:44] <kokey> hmmm i wonder if it was generated by systemedge then
[02-Dec-2010 11:45:50] <rmatte> Error processing transform/mapping on Event Class /Net/Link/instances/snmp_linkUp
[02-Dec-2010 11:45:56] <rmatte> snmp_linkUp is a trap
[02-Dec-2010 11:46:07] <csabo> rmatte is a trap
[02-Dec-2010 11:46:11] <rmatte> either way, the transform is wrong
[02-Dec-2010 11:46:16] <rmatte> "It's a trap!"
[02-Dec-2010 11:46:18] <csabo> haha
[02-Dec-2010 11:46:23] <rmatte> *deathstar opens fire*
[02-Dec-2010 11:46:35] <csabo> *hippys get owned*
[02-Dec-2010 11:46:48] <csabo> thats what they get for not stopping a huge metal ball from floating around their planet
[02-Dec-2010 11:47:05] <rmatte> honestly, you could just completely remove that transform
[02-Dec-2010 11:47:45] <Sam-I-Am> morning folks
[02-Dec-2010 11:47:48] <rmatte> wow, that's such a badly coded transform in general
[02-Dec-2010 11:47:54] <rmatte> index = None
[02-Dec-2010 11:47:54] <rmatte> for key, value in evt.__dict__.items():
[02-Dec-2010 11:47:54] <rmatte>    if key.find('1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.1') >= 0:
[02-Dec-2010 11:47:54] <rmatte>       index = value
[02-Dec-2010 11:47:54] <rmatte>       break
[02-Dec-2010 11:47:54] <rmatte> if index is not None:
[02-Dec-2010 11:47:54] <rmatte>    for obj in device.os.interfaces.objectItems():
[02-Dec-2010 11:47:55] <rmatte>       if obj[1].ifindex == index:
[02-Dec-2010 11:47:55] <rmatte>          evt.component = obj[1].id
[02-Dec-2010 11:47:56] <rmatte>          break
[02-Dec-2010 11:47:56] * Sam-I-Am is back on the zenoss project now
[02-Dec-2010 11:48:11] <rmatte> fun fun
[02-Dec-2010 11:48:21] <kokey> it was from localhost
[02-Dec-2010 11:48:24] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, boss is raising its priority
[02-Dec-2010 11:48:34] <kokey> i have no idea why it would have sent such a trap
[02-Dec-2010 11:48:57] <rmatte> it's a trap indicating that an interface changed state to up
[02-Dec-2010 11:49:07] <rmatte> but hold up
[02-Dec-2010 11:49:16] <rmatte> just because the error looks like it came from localhost doesn't mean anything
[02-Dec-2010 11:49:22] <rmatte> errors always look like they came from localhost
[02-Dec-2010 11:49:29] <rmatte> doesn't mean the actual trap did
[02-Dec-2010 11:49:37] <kokey> aaah
[02-Dec-2010 11:49:57] <rmatte> either way, it doesn't matter, go in and comment out or remove that transform
[02-Dec-2010 11:50:33] <rmatte> that should be submitted as a bug actually
[02-Dec-2010 11:50:40] <rmatte> "device" needs to be changed to "dev"
[02-Dec-2010 11:51:03] <rmatte> change device. to dev. and see if that fixes it
[02-Dec-2010 11:51:15] <rmatte> do the same for /Events /Net /Link /snmp_linkDown
[02-Dec-2010 11:51:28] <kokey> is there any log i can check to find maybe the trap source and/or oid?
[02-Dec-2010 11:52:12] <rmatte> no, it literally errored out while processing the event
[02-Dec-2010 11:52:16] <rmatte> there won't be any record of it
[02-Dec-2010 11:52:18] <kokey> ah ok
[02-Dec-2010 11:52:27] <kokey> lots of traps are being thrown at this box
[02-Dec-2010 11:52:32] <rmatte> just adjust the transforms like I said so that next time it does actually come in
[02-Dec-2010 11:52:38] <kokey> i suspect it's the sysedge stuff
[02-Dec-2010 11:53:41] <kokey> actually i get a lot of traps from sysedge from devices i haven't officially added yet
[02-Dec-2010 11:53:48] <kokey> i wonder what a nice way would be to add them
[02-Dec-2010 11:54:26] <kokey> thing is if i just let it discover everything and move those to some class it's going to keep moaning about not being able to snmp poll them etc.
[02-Dec-2010 11:54:45] <kokey> unless i create a class for stuff i don't know wtf they are and take out the snmp polling stuff out of them
[02-Dec-2010 11:54:51] <rmatte> yup
[02-Dec-2010 11:55:02] <kokey> but i guess if i had functional reverse DNS then at least i would have names
[02-Dec-2010 11:55:15] <kokey> so maybe making reverse DNS functional should be a first step
[02-Dec-2010 11:55:20] <kokey> since discovery sucks a bit at the moment
[02-Dec-2010 11:57:36] <kokey> anyway, thanks rmatte
[02-Dec-2010 11:57:48] <kokey> i think i'm just get paranoid about what exit guy could break
[02-Dec-2010 11:58:19] <kokey> i'm still sensitive from my last job where they got me some 'help' working in india that i didn't watch like a hawk and basically ruined the project
[02-Dec-2010 11:59:54] <rmatte> lol
[02-Dec-2010 12:00:10] <csabo> its sad that freenodes webchat is better than any windows client
[02-Dec-2010 12:00:21] <rmatte> mIRC is pretty decent
[02-Dec-2010 12:00:21] <csabo> aside from mirc, which im not using here
[02-Dec-2010 12:00:36] <csabo> i forgot how much i hated irssi for multiple channels and easy reading
[02-Dec-2010 12:00:44] <rmatte> http://www.silverex.org/news/
[02-Dec-2010 12:00:47] <rmatte> there's also that
[02-Dec-2010 12:00:57] <rmatte> XChat 2 port to windows
[02-Dec-2010 12:00:58] <csabo> xchat is a piece of crap
[02-Dec-2010 12:01:00] <csabo> 110%
[02-Dec-2010 12:01:07] <rmatte> nah, it's alright
[02-Dec-2010 12:01:13] <csabo> i get random crashes, theres some key combos that close windows, or detach them
[02-Dec-2010 12:01:17] <rmatte> I use cli clients anyways
[02-Dec-2010 12:01:21] <csabo> and i've yet to figure out what i'm hitting to cause it
[02-Dec-2010 12:01:30] <rmatte> BitchX in a screen session
[02-Dec-2010 12:01:33] <csabo> bitchx i dont mind
[02-Dec-2010 12:01:38] <rmatte> or irssi
[02-Dec-2010 12:01:44] <csabo> i like macirrsi it has a gui
[02-Dec-2010 12:01:53] <csabo> little text buttons for chans/networks and user list
[02-Dec-2010 12:02:06] <rmatte> yeh, I've lost the need for a gui really
[02-Dec-2010 12:02:06] <csabo> visualIRC , bersirc, pchat..ect all suck
[02-Dec-2010 12:02:27] <Sam-I-Am> i'm using irssi+screen here
[02-Dec-2010 12:02:41] <csabo> at home i use mirc, i'm on 3 networks and a dozen or so channels
[02-Dec-2010 12:02:50] <csabo> alt'ing between channels is retarded
[02-Dec-2010 12:02:58] <csabo> "oh my new message on ALT+5!!"
[02-Dec-2010 12:03:07] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[02-Dec-2010 12:03:12] <Sam-I-Am> i'm so used to it...
[02-Dec-2010 12:03:34] <csabo> have you seen/ used freenodes webchat?
[02-Dec-2010 12:03:40] <rmatte> HydraIRC looks alright for windows
[02-Dec-2010 12:03:55] <csabo> hydra is okay
[02-Dec-2010 12:03:59] <rmatte> oh actually
[02-Dec-2010 12:04:03] <rmatte> the best I've ever seen is Quassel
[02-Dec-2010 12:04:07] <csabo> http://webchat.freenode.net
[02-Dec-2010 12:04:07] <rmatte> for windows
[02-Dec-2010 12:04:19] <rmatte> http://quassel-irc.org/node/104
[02-Dec-2010 12:04:34] <csabo> yea looking at it now
[02-Dec-2010 12:04:41] <rmatte> simple and sleek
[02-Dec-2010 12:04:48] <csabo> very much so
[02-Dec-2010 12:04:50] <csabo> thank you!
[02-Dec-2010 12:04:52] <rmatte> np
[02-Dec-2010 12:04:54] <csabo> ive never heard of it
[02-Dec-2010 12:05:07] <rmatte> yeh, I've seen people using it around here so checked it out one day
[02-Dec-2010 12:23:50] cgbspender is now known as tiredofme
[02-Dec-2010 12:37:10] <cgibbons> much be lunchtime somewhere, it got all quiet and stuff
[02-Dec-2010 12:44:11] * nyeates *munch* *munch*
[02-Dec-2010 12:44:24] <rmatte> going for food shortly
[02-Dec-2010 12:44:30] <rmatte> after I finish wrestling with ossim
[02-Dec-2010 12:46:24] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: do you usually set passwords for the zenoss mysql user and zope user?
[02-Dec-2010 12:46:41] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: and if so, do they get set in zenoss_init_pre before install... or is that just how i tell zenoss what i made them ahead of time
[02-Dec-2010 12:49:06] <rmatte> I just leave them as is
[02-Dec-2010 12:49:11] <Sam-I-Am> okey
[02-Dec-2010 12:49:32] <rmatte> but you can change them is standard mysql fashion and update it in the UI if you want after the fact
[02-Dec-2010 12:49:35] <rmatte> so it's not a big deal
[02-Dec-2010 12:49:38] <rmatte> in*
[02-Dec-2010 12:49:40] <Sam-I-Am> got someone wearing a tinfoil hat here 
[02-Dec-2010 12:49:45] <rmatte> lol
[02-Dec-2010 12:55:10] <opapo> is there a way in Zenoss to track io performance (iostat data)?
[02-Dec-2010 12:57:55] <Sam-I-Am> i think theres an snmp thinger for that
[02-Dec-2010 12:59:59] <nyeates> opapo: message/27852
[02-Dec-2010 13:00:43] <Sam-I-Am> that works
[02-Dec-2010 13:08:02] <opapo> I'll look into that.  If I have problems with it can I come here for help?
[02-Dec-2010 13:08:40] <Sam-I-Am> probably
[02-Dec-2010 13:10:36] <rmatte> hmmm, rsyslog is weird
[02-Dec-2010 13:10:46] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[02-Dec-2010 13:10:46] <rmatte> if I rotate the logfile, it stops writing to it
[02-Dec-2010 13:10:59] <Sam-I-Am> doesnt write to the new one?
[02-Dec-2010 13:11:14] <rmatte> correct
[02-Dec-2010 13:11:17] <rmatte> just sits there
[02-Dec-2010 13:11:26] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, wonder if it has a weird file handle problem
[02-Dec-2010 13:11:53] <Sam-I-Am> does it require a -1 to recognize file rotation?
[02-Dec-2010 13:12:14] <rmatte> beats me
[02-Dec-2010 13:12:36] <Sam-I-Am> i've had to cron stuff in the past to shoot a -1 to a process when things changed from underneath it
[02-Dec-2010 13:13:05] <rmatte> I might just say screw it and configure the logrotate script to restart rsyslog
[02-Dec-2010 13:13:20] <Sam-I-Am> that also works
[02-Dec-2010 13:15:19] <rmatte> yeh, I guess I'll just do that
[02-Dec-2010 13:15:28] <rmatte> only takes a split second to restart it
[02-Dec-2010 13:28:00] <pplask> hello zen users 
[02-Dec-2010 13:28:05] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: can i move a device to another collector later?
[02-Dec-2010 13:28:24] <Sam-I-Am> keeping same templates and whatnot, but the rrd file will probably get replaced
[02-Dec-2010 13:30:14] <rmatte> you can move it, the RRD files need to move with it
[02-Dec-2010 13:30:21] <rmatte> though Egor's ZenPack handles that automagically
[02-Dec-2010 13:30:26] <pplask> is that a way to find out why my device isnt showing any components? im using snmp
[02-Dec-2010 13:30:39] <rmatte> pplask: what kind of device?
[02-Dec-2010 13:30:56] <pplask> all my devices are working well, but the ones i added today arent showing the components menu
[02-Dec-2010 13:31:03] <pplask>  /server/linux
[02-Dec-2010 13:31:08] <rmatte> then snmp isn't configured on them properly
[02-Dec-2010 13:31:14] <rmatte> by default net-snmp has paranoid settings
[02-Dec-2010 13:31:20] <rmatte> which don't provide all the info that Zenoss needs
[02-Dec-2010 13:31:28] <pplask> but its the same configuration of the other devices. Just one line "rocommunity public"
[02-Dec-2010 13:31:42] <rmatte> then the mibs are screwed on those server possibly
[02-Dec-2010 13:31:47] <rmatte> or there's some weird firewall issue
[02-Dec-2010 13:31:48] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: whats that zenpack called?
[02-Dec-2010 13:31:51] <pplask> its ubuntu 10.04
[02-Dec-2010 13:31:52] <rmatte> are they behind an ASA by chance?
[02-Dec-2010 13:31:59] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: which?
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:03] <rmatte> oh
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:05] <Sam-I-Am> egor's zenpack
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:05] <pplask> sry, what is ASA?
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:07] <rmatte> Distributed Collectors
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:11] <rmatte> it's his fancy collectors pack
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:18] <Sam-I-Am> ah, do i need that with enterprise?
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:20] <rmatte> can't believe you haven't heard of it 
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:24] <rmatte> no no
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:31] <rmatte> if you're using enterprise, enterprise does all that for you as well
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:36] <Sam-I-Am> aight
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:45] <rmatte> I keep forgetting you're an enterprise user
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:51] <rmatte> enterprise users aren't usually so active in here
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:52] <rmatte> 
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:54] <Sam-I-Am> asa = firewall
[02-Dec-2010 13:32:58] <rmatte> Cisco ASA
[02-Dec-2010 13:33:05] <Sam-I-Am> or the box itself has a firewall on it
[02-Dec-2010 13:33:16] <rmatte> It can be a number of things
[02-Dec-2010 13:33:19] <pplask> ah, dont know. the device is at a datacenter
[02-Dec-2010 13:33:30] <rmatte> you might just have a broken install of net-snmp on those servers
[02-Dec-2010 13:33:31] <pplask> it has firewall, but the port 161 is opend
[02-Dec-2010 13:33:35] <rmatte> or broken mibs on them
[02-Dec-2010 13:33:37] <Sam-I-Am> you could tcpdump on the interface to see if the snmp requests are getting out
[02-Dec-2010 13:33:44] <rmatte> pplask: try this...
[02-Dec-2010 13:33:45] <Sam-I-Am> or run snmpwalk manually
[02-Dec-2010 13:33:59] <rmatte> in zProperties, change zMaxOIDPerRequest to 10 for those devices
[02-Dec-2010 13:34:05] <rmatte> default is 40
[02-Dec-2010 13:34:05] <Sam-I-Am> by default zenoss will use a default community and snmp version 1
[02-Dec-2010 13:34:06] <pplask> snmp is working, i cant get the graphs, but not the components (interfaces, services, etc)
[02-Dec-2010 13:34:08] <rmatte> then model and see how it does
[02-Dec-2010 13:34:09] <Sam-I-Am> you probably need snmp version 2
[02-Dec-2010 13:34:21] <rmatte> yes, always monitor with snmp version 2
[02-Dec-2010 13:34:23] <pplask> ok i will try now
[02-Dec-2010 13:34:34] <pplask> im using version 1!
[02-Dec-2010 13:34:36] <rmatte> though v1 does spit out all that component info, you just won't get 64bit counters
[02-Dec-2010 13:34:44] <rmatte> but switch to v2
[02-Dec-2010 13:34:47] <pplask> ok
[02-Dec-2010 13:37:17] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: can you export templates, besides making a zenpack?
[02-Dec-2010 13:37:31] <rmatte> nope, ZenPack is the only way
[02-Dec-2010 13:37:35] <Sam-I-Am> aight
[02-Dec-2010 13:37:41] <rmatte> It would be nice though I'll admit
[02-Dec-2010 13:38:02] <Sam-I-Am> although i should probably make a zenpack for some of the common stuff
[02-Dec-2010 13:39:37] <rmatte> yeh, I have a bunch of custom company ZenPacks that I made for various things
[02-Dec-2010 13:46:28] <rmatte> well, after wrestling with ossim for days and allocating it 16GB of RAM, it seems to be running smoothly so far, the real test will be to leave it running until monday, if it's in a usable state by then, mission accomplished
[02-Dec-2010 13:46:37] <rmatte> if the UI freezes up and becomes completely useless again, garbage
[02-Dec-2010 13:47:10] <rmatte> and even then, configuring this thing to do anything useful is still a mystery to me
[02-Dec-2010 13:57:35] <pplask> well guys, i changed to snmp v2c, then i tried to remodel the device. nothing happens
[02-Dec-2010 13:57:42] <pplask> just keep waiting and waiting
[02-Dec-2010 13:57:45] <pplask> with v1 too
[02-Dec-2010 14:01:54] <pplask> found one job stucked
[02-Dec-2010 14:02:00] <pplask> how do i stop it?
[02-Dec-2010 14:02:56] <pplask> manually
[02-Dec-2010 14:03:05] <pplask> the web interface isnt responding 
[02-Dec-2010 14:14:30] <nyeates> zopectl restart
[02-Dec-2010 14:17:54] <pplask> when i remodel the device, it should appear as a job in advanced/jobs right?
[02-Dec-2010 14:19:53] <pplask> cant see the job there
[02-Dec-2010 14:26:04] <cgibbons> hurm
[02-Dec-2010 14:27:08] <pplask> and i still cant see the components of the device
[02-Dec-2010 14:27:14] <pplask> does it take long to show up?
[02-Dec-2010 14:28:10] <pplask> it says model time: 1969/12/31 21:00:00
[02-Dec-2010 14:29:38] <rmatte> that means it's never been modeled
[02-Dec-2010 14:29:46] <rmatte> that's 0 in epoch time
[02-Dec-2010 14:30:28] <csabo> fuck tivoli
[02-Dec-2010 14:30:32] <rmatte> well, more like -240 in epoch time
[02-Dec-2010 14:30:37] <csabo> i could have deployed 10 zenoss installs today
[02-Dec-2010 14:30:43] <csabo> All day, i cant even get an AGENT on a computer
[02-Dec-2010 14:31:10] <csabo> i even gave up and used a setup.exe on my machine, it installed the agent, and started it, but i have NO WAY to tell it where the monitoring server is
[02-Dec-2010 14:32:57] <csabo> rmatte:  i need a death star
[02-Dec-2010 14:33:05] <csabo> im blowing up IBMs homeworld
[02-Dec-2010 14:37:47] <pplask> rmatte i think i found the problem, but its weirs. It says WARNING zen.ZenModeler: Client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx timeout. But if i manually run snmpwalk it works!
[02-Dec-2010 14:37:55] <pplask> weird*
[02-Dec-2010 14:39:08] <csabo> what did you walk for
[02-Dec-2010 14:39:21] <csabo> and how much stuff is being querieid in the class you're adding it to
[02-Dec-2010 14:39:30] <csabo> shitty connection / shitty server can cause that
[02-Dec-2010 14:42:27] <rmatte> pplask: did you try adjusting the zMaxOIDPerRequest value like I had said to do?
[02-Dec-2010 14:43:00] <rmatte> also, since it's timing out, that tells me it's just taking a long time...
[02-Dec-2010 14:43:09] <rmatte> if you snmpwalk the device, does it go slowly?
[02-Dec-2010 14:43:30] <rmatte> maybe it has a large routing table or something?
[02-Dec-2010 14:43:55] <rmatte> in any case, try increasing the zCollectorClientTimeout value to 3000
[02-Dec-2010 14:43:58] <rmatte> and see if that helps
[02-Dec-2010 14:44:05] <rmatte> if it still times out bump it to 5000 and then try
[02-Dec-2010 14:44:12] <csabo> what kind of device
[02-Dec-2010 14:44:12] <pplask> rmatte, yes i adjusted, and when i run snmpwalk it takes a looong time, too much info
[02-Dec-2010 14:44:26] <rmatte> ok, so bump up the zCollectorClientTimeout value
[02-Dec-2010 14:44:32] <rmatte> which will prevent it from timing out
[02-Dec-2010 14:44:34] <rmatte> and then wait
[02-Dec-2010 14:44:58] <rmatte> you may want to disable the snmp.RouteMap modeler plugin if it's spitting out lots of route info
[02-Dec-2010 14:45:17] <rmatte> that's the most common culprit for long snmpwalk times
[02-Dec-2010 14:45:21] <csabo> haha, Tivoli backwards is " I lov it"
[02-Dec-2010 14:45:28] <rmatte> lol
[02-Dec-2010 14:45:35] <csabo> im about to snap
[02-Dec-2010 14:45:39] <pplask> thanks
[02-Dec-2010 14:45:39] <rmatte> you know you're going crazy when
[02-Dec-2010 14:45:46] <rmatte> pplask: np
[02-Dec-2010 14:46:01] <csabo> dude its just such a shitty product
[02-Dec-2010 14:46:04] <csabo> just the OS agent for windows
[02-Dec-2010 14:46:09] <csabo> is a 150MB install , 2400 files
[02-Dec-2010 14:46:22] <csabo> PLUS, it requires a specific build of JRE 1.5.0
[02-Dec-2010 14:46:44] <csabo> and i still cant figure out how to configure it
[02-Dec-2010 14:47:30] <pplask> csabo, what are u talking about?
[02-Dec-2010 14:47:35] <pplask> i like zenoss 
[02-Dec-2010 14:47:39] <csabo> The worst monitoring product in the world
[02-Dec-2010 14:47:41] <csabo> not zenoss
[02-Dec-2010 14:47:57] <pplask> ah
[02-Dec-2010 14:47:58] <pplask> i got it
[02-Dec-2010 14:48:05] <csabo> IBM tivoli monitoring
[02-Dec-2010 14:48:15] <csabo> it maybe lovely if oyu can actually use it
[02-Dec-2010 14:48:29] <csabo> the 2 600 page PDFs dont really say what to do when your machine already has an agent on it
[02-Dec-2010 14:48:38] <csabo> and you want to configure it to point to the moniotring server
[02-Dec-2010 15:27:52] <nyeates> interesting comments on tivoli
[02-Dec-2010 15:28:30] <nyeates> maybe it should be called tietahi
[02-Dec-2010 15:28:36] <rmatte> lol
[02-Dec-2010 15:31:10] <nyeates> a 150 meg agent tho has to suck
[02-Dec-2010 15:36:37] <csabo> yeah it does 
[02-Dec-2010 15:36:42] <csabo> i got a unix agent "working"
[02-Dec-2010 15:36:56] <csabo> but somthings wrong with it, the names are all funky of each agent, its just a string of letters and numbers
[02-Dec-2010 15:39:19] <nyeates> seems like when companies are good at making software on one OS, and when they try to port a remake or agent on to other OS's, they dont do so good a job...i saw this with a backup software called Acronis
[02-Dec-2010 15:39:42] <nyeates> agentless gets around that problem pretty well
[02-Dec-2010 15:40:41] <Sam-I-Am> when configuring collectors, do i send traps to them as well or the main hub?
[02-Dec-2010 15:40:58] <csabo> i LOVE acronis
[02-Dec-2010 15:41:13] <csabo> the collector
[02-Dec-2010 15:41:20] <Sam-I-Am> ok
[02-Dec-2010 15:41:29] <csabo> only makes sense
[02-Dec-2010 15:41:30] <nyeates> which then fwds it to the master
[02-Dec-2010 15:41:40] <Sam-I-Am> via snmp or some other form?
[02-Dec-2010 15:41:43] <csabo> otherwise you'd have to NAT everything to make it availbile
[02-Dec-2010 15:41:46] <csabo> which would defeat the purpose
[02-Dec-2010 15:41:49] <Sam-I-Am> yeah
[02-Dec-2010 15:41:54] <csabo> i'm not sure what traffic type gets sent
[02-Dec-2010 15:42:04] <csabo> doubt it fwds the actual events
[02-Dec-2010 15:42:10] <csabo> probobly sql traffic
[02-Dec-2010 15:42:14] <csabo> or somthing proprietary
[02-Dec-2010 15:42:20] <nyeates> i loved acronis when i used to be on a windows machine....then i tried to use their enterprise version to backup servers and have a centralized backup servers, etc....it SUCKKKKEDD
[02-Dec-2010 15:44:59] <Sam-I-Am> any idea when zenoss might support ipv6?
[02-Dec-2010 15:45:37] <nyeates> touchy subject
[02-Dec-2010 15:45:41] <csabo> oh yeah i've only used it on windows lol
[02-Dec-2010 15:45:55] <csabo> i still use it all my machines run chain backups at the house
[02-Dec-2010 15:46:13] <nyeates> we are definentely talking about ipv6 and looking into it quite seriously
[02-Dec-2010 15:46:21] <nyeates> not sure what the official stance is tho yet
[02-Dec-2010 15:46:25] <Sam-I-Am> aight
[02-Dec-2010 15:46:49] <nyeates> a lot of customers are getting serious about it, and data centers are getting mandates
[02-Dec-2010 15:46:56] <nyeates> sooner or later, it will have to come
[02-Dec-2010 15:48:04] <nyeates> i think the us govt has a mandate on new hardware bought after some date has to be ipv6
[02-Dec-2010 15:48:23] <Sam-I-Am> i've had ipv6 deployed since 2003 heh
[02-Dec-2010 15:48:29] <Sam-I-Am> and still not much supports it fully
[02-Dec-2010 15:48:36] <nyeates> anyone else in here have a vote for ipv6 support?
[02-Dec-2010 15:49:35] <Sam-I-Am> guess that says something :/
[02-Dec-2010 15:52:01] <csabo> never used it
[02-Dec-2010 15:52:06] <Sam-I-Am> maybe it needs one of those zenoss customer support polls
[02-Dec-2010 15:52:09] <csabo> oh once, i had a BNC for EFnet that was ipv6
[02-Dec-2010 15:52:13] <csabo> back in like 2004
[02-Dec-2010 16:41:13] <rmatte> I still think ipv6 is a long ways off in terms of global adoptation of it
[02-Dec-2010 16:41:37] * froztbyte would <3 v6 support
[02-Dec-2010 16:41:55] <froztbyte> also:
[02-Dec-2010 16:41:56] <froztbyte> 12/02 23:03:02 < jjarmoc>  saw a guy at defcon with the old cliche 'there's no place like 127.0.0.1' t-shirt.. then i realized, he'd applied a patch with "::1"
[02-Dec-2010 16:41:59] <froztbyte> 12/02 23:03:11 < jjarmoc> so he had patched his shirt for IPv6
[02-Dec-2010 16:41:59] <rmatte> I haven't even personally seen ipv6 heavily in use in the wild
[02-Dec-2010 16:42:20] <rmatte> lol, nice
[02-Dec-2010 16:45:12] <Simon4> wonder if twisted supports ipv6 these days
[02-Dec-2010 16:45:22] <froztbyte> rmatte: well, it won't really help if no-one starts using IPv6, because no-one is serving IPv6, because no-one is using IPv6, because ...
[02-Dec-2010 16:45:25] <froztbyte> Simon4: lemme ask
[02-Dec-2010 16:45:38] * Simon4 notes that "auto discovery" would be come moot 
[02-Dec-2010 16:45:43] <Simon4> go scan that /64, dare ya
[02-Dec-2010 16:46:13] <Sam-I-Am> does ldap authentication in zenoss support tls or only ssl?
[02-Dec-2010 16:46:37] <froztbyte> Simon4: I'd expect much stronger integration with stuff like SLAAC and v6RA
[02-Dec-2010 16:46:47] <rmatte> it's not really zenoss ldap support per-say, it's zope ldap support
[02-Dec-2010 16:46:48] <Simon4> froztbyte: yeah
[02-Dec-2010 16:47:08] <Simon4> I need to sort my ip6fw issues actually, get my home v6 lab back up
[02-Dec-2010 16:47:23] <Sam-I-Am> well, yeah
[02-Dec-2010 16:47:44] <Sam-I-Am> seems like it might only support the ssl-on-port-636 hack rather than the more official tls on port 389
[02-Dec-2010 16:48:46] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: it supports the following...
[02-Dec-2010 16:48:56] <rmatte> LDAP, LDAP over SSL, LDAP over IPC
[02-Dec-2010 16:49:00] <Sam-I-Am> ipc?
[02-Dec-2010 16:49:07] <rmatte> no idea what that is
[02-Dec-2010 16:49:11] <rmatte> but it's an option
[02-Dec-2010 16:49:16] <rmatte> those are the only 3 options
[02-Dec-2010 16:49:25] <Sam-I-Am> interesting
[02-Dec-2010 16:58:06] <froztbyte> http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/ticket/3014
[02-Dec-2010 16:59:13] <Simon4> three years 
[02-Dec-2010 17:02:52] <froztbyte> at least activity on it, though
[02-Dec-2010 17:03:00] <Simon4> yah
[02-Dec-2010 17:03:09] <Simon4> that'll drive the zenoss support though I think
[02-Dec-2010 17:03:28] <froztbyte> pretty much
[02-Dec-2010 17:03:39] <froztbyte> wonder how much zope patches will be required for dealing with interface shite
[02-Dec-2010 17:03:51] <Simon4>  /Networks is a rewrite
[02-Dec-2010 17:04:11] <Simon4> other than that it's a bunch of templates and function changes I guess
[02-Dec-2010 17:04:17] <Simon4> some new modellers
[02-Dec-2010 17:04:50] <froztbyte> yeah
[02-Dec-2010 17:05:09] <Sam-I-Am> one of these days we'll get some good routemap plugins
[02-Dec-2010 17:05:14] <froztbyte> the topology code and such shouldn't really need much work beyond just being made aware of how v6 looks
[02-Dec-2010 17:05:19] <Sam-I-Am> with like.. filtering capabilities
[02-Dec-2010 17:05:30] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: you could write one 
[02-Dec-2010 17:05:36] <Sam-I-Am> i was working on one for a bit
[02-Dec-2010 17:05:46] <froztbyte> Sam-I-Am: if I ever get around to writing my dep code, I'll prolly write one
[02-Dec-2010 17:05:52] <Sam-I-Am> then i got pulled off the zenoss project here for a few weeks
[02-Dec-2010 17:06:13] <Simon4> yeah, I've been pulled from the monitoring at work and into the network team for a bit
[02-Dec-2010 17:06:34] <Simon4> good chance to play with ipv6 and other stuff whilst on the clock 
[02-Dec-2010 17:08:07] <Sam-I-Am> i'm deploying a 10g backbone here this month
[02-Dec-2010 18:01:19] <wobblyonions> Hi everyone
[02-Dec-2010 18:02:37] <wobblyonions> could anyone possibly help me with a small Zenoss issue at all, I have a load of devices that are showing as down based on ping yet I can ping them from the CLI and through Zenoss yet they still show as down?
[02-Dec-2010 18:05:28] <rmatte> wobblyonions: try restarting zenping
[02-Dec-2010 18:05:56] <wobblyonions> mmm ok thanks let met try that and get back to you
[02-Dec-2010 18:06:29] <wobblyonions> I used Zenoss Enterprise before and loved it now in a new company any want to get it working here, so using Zenoss Core to proove the system before upgrading
[02-Dec-2010 18:06:39] <rmatte> I'm done for the day, not sure what country you're in but this place is more active during the day american time
[02-Dec-2010 18:06:54] <rmatte> I'll be back around tomorrow
[02-Dec-2010 18:07:04] <wobblyonions> Im in Australia, will try restart zenping and see if that helps at all
[02-Dec-2010 18:07:16] <rmatte> k cool, you can always post on the forums as well
[02-Dec-2010 18:07:21] <rmatte> they are pretty active
[02-Dec-2010 18:07:35] <wobblyonions> yeah did that and got no reply
[02-Dec-2010 18:07:39] <wobblyonions> where you based?
[02-Dec-2010 18:07:42] <rmatte> Canada
[02-Dec-2010 18:07:49] <rmatte> (Ottawa)
[02-Dec-2010 18:08:58] <rmatte> I'm out, have a good day
[02-Dec-2010 18:09:14] <Simon4> wobblyonions: is htere anything in zenping.log?
[02-Dec-2010 18:12:20] <wobblyonions> Hi Simon4
[02-Dec-2010 18:12:28] <Simon4> heya
[02-Dec-2010 18:12:33] <Simon4> aussie huh? 
[02-Dec-2010 18:12:34] <wobblyonions> I have restarted zenping and it appears to have resolved the issue :-)
[02-Dec-2010 18:12:37] <wobblyonions> yeah man
[02-Dec-2010 18:12:38] <wobblyonions> you?
[02-Dec-2010 18:12:40] <Simon4> <-- kiwi 
[02-Dec-2010 18:12:57] <wobblyonions> sweet
[02-Dec-2010 18:13:00] <wobblyonions> North/South??
[02-Dec-2010 18:13:11] <Simon4> south originally, now hanging out in London
[02-Dec-2010 18:13:25] <wobblyonions> ah I did 10 years there just got to Oz
[02-Dec-2010 18:13:38] <wobblyonions> used to work in Canary Wharf and Hammersmith
[02-Dec-2010 18:13:44] <wobblyonions> what you doing over there?
[02-Dec-2010 18:18:16] <newmon> Hi all!
[02-Dec-2010 18:19:22] <Simon4> wobblyonions: I'm generally making trouble and enjoying the consulting scene over here - lots of cool gigs and fun stuff to play with 
[02-Dec-2010 18:19:24] <Simon4> hey newmon
[02-Dec-2010 18:53:03] <willwh> hi guys 
[02-Dec-2010 18:53:56] <willwh> Simon4: here's a question for you, do you monitor the server you have zenoss running on?
[02-Dec-2010 18:54:16] <Simon4> "who watches the watcher?"
[02-Dec-2010 18:55:50] <Simon4> where I work now we have a 24/7 dept, who have a wall with zenoss dashboard on one of the screens. Plans are to make the "can't refresh the page" ajax error full screen and red
[02-Dec-2010 18:55:51] <willwh> is that a no? :]
[02-Dec-2010 18:56:04] <Simon4> well, it's a "we have humans" 
[02-Dec-2010 18:56:10] <willwh> gotcha
[02-Dec-2010 18:56:44] <Simon4> if we didn't have humans I would be looking at something like pingdom or similar to watch my monitoring ui and exposing that to the internets
[02-Dec-2010 18:56:45] <willwh> you weren't around yesterday around this time I don't think
[02-Dec-2010 18:56:53] <Simon4> or something kinda similar
[02-Dec-2010 18:56:54] <willwh> I am assuming I killed my snmpd.conf
[02-Dec-2010 18:57:00] <willwh> or it's not quite configured correctly
[02-Dec-2010 18:57:07] <Simon4> yeah, I'm not up this late normally
[02-Dec-2010 18:57:11] <willwh> I was having issues snmpwalking externally
[02-Dec-2010 18:57:20] <willwh> which I fixed
[02-Dec-2010 18:57:21] <willwh> although
[02-Dec-2010 18:57:38] <willwh> I am getting a bunch of debug errors (bad oid)
[02-Dec-2010 18:57:47] <Simon4> *nod*
[02-Dec-2010 18:57:48] <willwh> which i am assuming could be permisisons issues for the rocommunity
[02-Dec-2010 18:57:56] <willwh> or just bad snmpd.conf
[02-Dec-2010 18:59:26] <willwh> if I were to pastebin mine - would you mind takign a peek?
[02-Dec-2010 19:01:29] <Simon4> yeah, no worries
[02-Dec-2010 19:02:56] <sytem> hmmm, 2910 messages in spool of sms-gw after adding one device to zenoss...
[02-Dec-2010 19:03:53] <sytem> got 75 to my mobile before i found right server to shut that sms-gw down
[02-Dec-2010 19:04:42] <Simon4> heh
[02-Dec-2010 19:05:31] * Simon4 has done that before, with far less modern phones
[02-Dec-2010 19:05:33] <wobblyonions> guys anyone got holt winters working on Zenoss Core I cant seem to get it working at all, is it something only supported under Enterprise
[02-Dec-2010 19:05:53] <Simon4> undoing n thousand sms's on a 8 year old nokia
[02-Dec-2010 19:05:54] <sytem> something weird going on here, i got those 4k critical events from single ip-address witch was not in device-listing (searching for that ip returns nothing), and when i add that ip (maintenance state), the flood starts
[02-Dec-2010 19:06:17] <Simon4> wobblyonions: hmm, I haven't tried it under core or enterprise, btu I'm fairy sure it started as a core zenpack anyway
[02-Dec-2010 19:06:37] <Simon4> sytem: example of the alert?
[02-Dec-2010 19:06:40] <wobblyonions> yeah thats what I though but I cant get it to load for some reason
[02-Dec-2010 19:06:54] <sytem> my alert rule has "production state >= development", why i got those alerts
[02-Dec-2010 19:06:58] <Simon4> the whole holt winters thing is a rrd feature
[02-Dec-2010 19:07:02] <wobblyonions> had it working on another install at a different company but not on this one
[02-Dec-2010 19:07:48] <wobblyonions> ok well I will play with it and see what I can get working now, need to look at Windows WMI thing now to monitor processes on gay windows servers
[02-Dec-2010 19:08:02] <Simon4> sytem: are most of the alerts the same? how many devices are you monitoring? what kinds of alerts are you getting? etc
[02-Dec-2010 19:08:08] <wobblyonions> I know windows is crap and should not be used but they use it here for some stupid reason
[02-Dec-2010 19:08:10] <sytem> Simon4: "IP spoofing! From 192.168.2.41:65481 to 239.255.255.250:1900, proto UDP" and others like that
[02-Dec-2010 19:08:35] <Simon4> wobblyonions: bigegor's wmi zenpacks are teh way if you're doing zenoss core wmi
[02-Dec-2010 19:08:38] <Simon4> sytem: AHHH
[02-Dec-2010 19:08:50] <Simon4> so you're pointing syslog at zenoss from linux hosts ah?
[02-Dec-2010 19:09:16] <wobblyonions> ah wicked will see what I can find, more concerned about what is needed on the windows server itself and Im not a windows man at all
[02-Dec-2010 19:09:21] <Simon4> they're not zenoss alerts, they're your hosts spamming syslog for things that aren't important
[02-Dec-2010 19:09:30] <sytem> yep, and for some reason groupings wont work in this case
[02-Dec-2010 19:09:46] <Simon4> sytem: I've never pointed linux syslog at zenoss for this reason
[02-Dec-2010 19:10:02] <Simon4> you probably need something in the way to filter yoru syslog feed - maybe syslog-ng?
[02-Dec-2010 19:10:36] <sytem> i have
[02-Dec-2010 19:10:51] <wobblyonions> Zenoss, logs events to a mysql database called events dosent it?
[02-Dec-2010 19:11:21] <Simon4> it does
[02-Dec-2010 19:11:30] <Simon4> it's a very boring and basic database 
[02-Dec-2010 19:12:00] <sytem> in this case i have no idea what this device is, and why it was flooding to zenoss even zenoss has it not monitored
[02-Dec-2010 19:12:24] <Simon4> sytem: I would be looking at that device, and why it's syslogging to the ip of the zenoss host 
[02-Dec-2010 19:12:37] <wobblyonions> yeah interesting thing is when I connect to the mysql-server I cant see it
[02-Dec-2010 19:12:39] <wobblyonions> :-)
[02-Dec-2010 19:12:43] <wobblyonions> brb need a coffee
[02-Dec-2010 19:12:52] <sytem> i have already removed some 70k events from this host, after yesterday
[02-Dec-2010 19:13:35] <sytem> Simon4: it is syslogging because it is configured so, like every other 600 hosts we are monitoring
[02-Dec-2010 19:14:52] <Simon4> sytem: we run thousands of hosts with zenoss, but we don't redirect hte syslog of those hosts to zenoss
[02-Dec-2010 19:15:10] <Simon4> mainly because my experience of syslog on linux hosts is that it's spammy as hell
[02-Dec-2010 19:15:23] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[02-Dec-2010 19:15:39] <sytem> well, this is not linux, looks like its juniper
[02-Dec-2010 19:15:55] <Simon4> hmm, we have junipers syslogging to zenoss
[02-Dec-2010 19:15:58] <Simon4> they're not that noisy
[02-Dec-2010 19:17:13] <sytem> the question here is, why zenoss wont discard events coming from host it doesnt monitor
[02-Dec-2010 19:17:32] <Simon4> heh, actually that's a good question
[02-Dec-2010 19:17:55] <sytem> and why all those events in db generate alarm when the host is added
[02-Dec-2010 19:17:58] <Simon4> we've used that "feature" as a way to poke teams who didn't add devices to monitoring
[02-Dec-2010 19:17:59] <Simon4> 
[02-Dec-2010 19:18:41] <Simon4> you could event transform events in /Unknown that weren't from "known" devices to be action = drop
[02-Dec-2010 19:22:24] <willwh> Simon4: not sleeping yet? 
[02-Dec-2010 19:22:28] <willwh> sorry I got called away from desk
[02-Dec-2010 19:22:37] <Simon4> willwh: vodka 
[02-Dec-2010 19:22:49] <Simon4> responses may or may not be tainted
[02-Dec-2010 19:23:12] <willwh> haha - awesome 
[02-Dec-2010 19:25:25] * Simon4 grins
[02-Dec-2010 19:28:12] <willwh> hmm
[02-Dec-2010 21:03:27] <mosen> hiya
[02-Dec-2010 21:16:40] <wobblyonions> guys. if events are not being logged to a mysql database where would they be logged to?
[02-Dec-2010 21:18:28] <davetoo> wobblyonions: ?  What problem are you trying to solve?
[02-Dec-2010 21:18:58] <davetoo> We need a faq/search 'bot in here
[02-Dec-2010 21:19:16] <wobblyonions> I want to do something else with the events that I cant do in Zenosso but need to see the raw event
[02-Dec-2010 21:20:31] <davetoo> hang on .. looking for something
[02-Dec-2010 21:20:47] <wobblyonions> ok sure going to get a coffee so long
[02-Dec-2010 21:21:01] <davetoo> docs/DOC-3538
[02-Dec-2010 21:21:30] <davetoo> I"m a little rusty.. it's been a few months.
[02-Dec-2010 21:21:42] <wobblyonions> awesome thanks very much
[02-Dec-2010 21:21:55] <wobblyonions> got to admit I started using Zenoss 3 years ago and I totally love it
[02-Dec-2010 21:22:23] <davetoo> same here, and yet it's complicated and deep
[02-Dec-2010 21:22:33] <davetoo> much more stable/reliable these days, though
[02-Dec-2010 21:23:12] <wobblyonions> yeah so much better than anything else on the market
[02-Dec-2010 21:23:26] <wobblyonions> trying to get my head around some of the reporting functionality at the moment as well
[02-Dec-2010 21:23:38] <wobblyonions> looks very deep and dark in that section :-)
[02-Dec-2010 21:25:30] <davetoo> I find it... a bit tedious.  In the past I've extracted the data with external tools.. and made my own graphs/reports for a few one-off requirements
[02-Dec-2010 21:26:10] <wobblyonions> cool
[02-Dec-2010 21:26:28] <wobblyonions> management have some very specific report requirments that I am trying to work towards
[02-Dec-2010 21:26:45] <wobblyonions> is there  way to flush all events at all from a cli?
[02-Dec-2010 21:28:42] <davetoo> There must be 
[02-Dec-2010 21:34:27] <wobblyonions> yeah that what I though but damed if I canf ind it
[02-Dec-2010 22:59:38] <mosen> wobbly i don't know from the cli, but i find it really easy with the jabber/xmpp pack
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[03-Dec-2010 01:42:51] <RuslanPopov> ppl, help me, I need to remove template from device, how to do that with zenoss 2.5
[03-Dec-2010 01:43:35] <RuslanPopov> I've just added Filesystem template and perf tab crashed
[03-Dec-2010 01:46:52] <froztbyte> ...you go to the perf templates that are bound to the device, and unbind it?
[03-Dec-2010 01:47:01] <froztbyte> you're still not reading the documentation, RuslanPopov
[03-Dec-2010 01:47:46] <froztbyte> 12/03 02:17:13 < sytem> the question here is, why zenoss wont discard events coming from host it doesnt monitor
[03-Dec-2010 01:47:49] <froztbyte> 12/03 02:17:32 < Simon4> heh, actually that's a good question
[03-Dec-2010 01:47:52] <froztbyte> 12/03 02:17:56 < sytem> and why all those events in db generate alarm when the host is added
[03-Dec-2010 01:48:12] <froztbyte> they can't follow the normal eventmanager process, because it doesn't know what to do with them
[03-Dec-2010 01:48:16] <RuslanPopov> I don't see there the topic "removing template"
[03-Dec-2010 01:48:33] <froztbyte> there's no host or template against which they can be evaluated
[03-Dec-2010 01:48:46] <froztbyte> RuslanPopov: go to the section about performance templates, and /read/ it
[03-Dec-2010 01:52:11] <RuslanPopov> 4. click on 'local copy'
[03-Dec-2010 01:52:20] <RuslanPopov> 5. in 'threshold area' ....
[03-Dec-2010 01:52:38] <RuslanPopov> wtf, I don't see that area after clicking on 'local copy'
[03-Dec-2010 01:53:14] <froztbyte> uhm
[03-Dec-2010 01:53:21] <froztbyte> why are you clicking on local copy?
[03-Dec-2010 01:53:39] <RuslanPopov> coz item four of list tells me
[03-Dec-2010 01:54:08] <RuslanPopov> how to remove template from device (performance monitoring section does not tell about)?
[03-Dec-2010 01:54:32] <RuslanPopov> I just need to get it back and forget about this crazy system
[03-Dec-2010 01:54:43] <froztbyte> "item four"?
[03-Dec-2010 01:54:44] <froztbyte> where?
[03-Dec-2010 01:55:22] <RuslanPopov> page 136
[03-Dec-2010 01:56:29] <froztbyte> of what, the qu'ran?
[03-Dec-2010 01:56:59] <froztbyte> (maybe you should be a bit more specific, and actually tell people what instructions where you are following, then they can try to help)
[03-Dec-2010 01:57:59] <RuslanPopov> ok, I go into /Devices/Server/Linux/pc01, then click 'More' -> 'Templates'
[03-Dec-2010 01:58:20] <RuslanPopov> I see the list of two templates: Device and FileSystem
[03-Dec-2010 01:58:50] <RuslanPopov> Now I click remove local copy and both items have 'create local copy' buttons
[03-Dec-2010 01:59:05] <RuslanPopov> the question is: how to remove FileSystem template from this device?
[03-Dec-2010 01:59:18] <froztbyte> what was the original problem that you caused?
[03-Dec-2010 01:59:41] <froztbyte> how did you "Add the filesystem template"?
[03-Dec-2010 01:59:48] <froztbyte> do you mean you bound it?
[03-Dec-2010 02:00:19] <RuslanPopov> I bind it
[03-Dec-2010 02:01:09] <RuslanPopov> don't ask me how, I did it with zenoss interface
[03-Dec-2010 02:01:18] <RuslanPopov> and I can't reproduce
[03-Dec-2010 02:02:16] <froztbyte> ..did you try clicking the dropdown menu *in* the actual performance templates listing?
[03-Dec-2010 02:02:38] <froztbyte> (like it's shown in the documentation under the section for binding perf templates)
[03-Dec-2010 02:02:50] <RuslanPopov> ah, Devices -> Templates -> click on template -> menu Bind Templates
[03-Dec-2010 02:03:31] <RuslanPopov> page 127?
[03-Dec-2010 02:04:19] <froztbyte> still in the qu'ran?
[03-Dec-2010 02:05:03] <RuslanPopov> ah, I understand now what do you mean under unknown word "qu'ran", hehe
[03-Dec-2010 02:05:50] <RuslanPopov> geography is not your favourite 
[03-Dec-2010 02:07:19] <RuslanPopov> hm, sweden
[03-Dec-2010 02:08:24] <RuslanPopov> now, I understand why people told me to move to zabbix
[03-Dec-2010 02:09:04] <froztbyte> HAHAHAHAHAHA
[03-Dec-2010 02:09:07] <froztbyte> yeah
[03-Dec-2010 02:09:09] <froztbyte> uhm, no.
[03-Dec-2010 02:09:18] <froztbyte> I think the only reason people in russia could tell you to be
[03-Dec-2010 02:09:30] <froztbyte> to move to zabbix is because it's written by a russian*
[03-Dec-2010 02:10:45] <froztbyte> it's a ridiculously shit system
[03-Dec-2010 02:10:58] <froztbyte> anyway, go for it
[03-Dec-2010 02:12:43] <froztbyte> there you don't have to worry about not ever reading the documentation like you're doing now
[03-Dec-2010 02:12:46] <RuslanPopov> if it would solve my tasks
[03-Dec-2010 02:12:52] <froztbyte> it's all out of date and wrong anyway
[03-Dec-2010 02:12:56] <froztbyte> so you can just ignore it completely
[03-Dec-2010 02:13:46] <RuslanPopov> you can't answer on simple question: how to remove template from device, you prefer to show the your importance 
[03-Dec-2010 02:14:31] <froztbyte> RuslanPopov: well, if no-one tells you to actually /understand/ the system, instead of just prodding random knobs and hoping it works, you'll just continue doing that
[03-Dec-2010 02:14:32] <RuslanPopov> just say: I don't know, but I think it is impossible
[03-Dec-2010 02:14:44] <froztbyte> I knew exactly what you need to do
[03-Dec-2010 02:15:10] <froztbyte> I run 6 zenoss installations with at least 2000 data sources each
[03-Dec-2010 02:15:25] <froztbyte> and craploads of customisations for all the shit in the networks
[03-Dec-2010 02:15:40] <froztbyte> /you/, on the other hand, are just hoping that things will magically work
[03-Dec-2010 02:15:49] <RuslanPopov> I just need to remove this f..king template and I never see this system again. Why I need to read thounsand pages of system that I will never use.
[03-Dec-2010 02:16:23] <RuslanPopov> You're VIP, as I said before. Thank God, you speak with me 
[03-Dec-2010 02:17:02] <RuslanPopov> nono, Thanks Allah 
[03-Dec-2010 02:17:19] <RuslanPopov> so, are you still in qu'ran?
[03-Dec-2010 02:17:32] * froztbyte rolls around laughing
[03-Dec-2010 02:25:56] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[03-Dec-2010 04:37:47] <kokey> morning
[03-Dec-2010 05:30:41] <RuslanPopov> ppl, help me, I need to remove template from device, how to do that with zenoss 2.5
[03-Dec-2010 05:57:28] <kokey> how do you supress events?
[03-Dec-2010 05:59:01] <froztbyte> evt._action = "history"
[03-Dec-2010 05:59:09] <froztbyte> or "drop"
[03-Dec-2010 05:59:15] <froztbyte> the latter deletes, the former closes
[03-Dec-2010 06:01:27] <kokey> hmmm
[03-Dec-2010 06:01:57] <kokey> so i can't just click on the supress event button that should be next to the acknowledge button?
[03-Dec-2010 06:02:05] <kokey> except for the fact that it doesn't exist
[03-Dec-2010 06:02:21] <froztbyte> oh
[03-Dec-2010 06:02:22] <froztbyte> well, you can
[03-Dec-2010 06:02:33] <froztbyte> that's basically evt._action = "history"
[03-Dec-2010 06:02:40] <froztbyte> I thought you meant programmatically
[03-Dec-2010 06:02:52] <kokey> there is a supress button?
[03-Dec-2010 06:10:55] <froztbyte> 12/03 13:08:47 < froztbyte> kokey: I'm till on 2.5, but yes
[03-Dec-2010 06:10:55] <froztbyte> 12/03 13:09:06 < froztbyte> there's a little checkmark left of the close button (which is an x)
[03-Dec-2010 06:10:58] <froztbyte> 12/03 13:09:12 < froztbyte> I think it's called acknowledge
[03-Dec-2010 06:11:01] <froztbyte> 12/03 13:09:34 < froztbyte> that acks events and suppresses them until that event closes
[03-Dec-2010 06:11:04] <froztbyte> 12/03 13:09:40 < froztbyte> doesn't change new ones, though
[03-Dec-2010 06:11:06] <froztbyte> 12/03 13:09:46 < froztbyte> that's event transform territory
[03-Dec-2010 06:11:09] <froztbyte> 12/03 13:09:56 < froztbyte> (maybe automate creating transforms)
[03-Dec-2010 06:11:11] <froztbyte> 12/03 13:10:39 < froztbyte> .........
[03-Dec-2010 06:11:21] <kokey> ah ok
[03-Dec-2010 06:11:24] <froztbyte> fscking line at home freaking out
[03-Dec-2010 06:11:39] <kokey> yeah i can acknowledge events
[03-Dec-2010 06:12:12] <froztbyte> kokey: I'm till on 2.5, but yes
[03-Dec-2010 06:12:12] <froztbyte> there's a little checkmark left of the close button (which is an x)
[03-Dec-2010 06:12:12] <froztbyte> I think it's called acknowledge
[03-Dec-2010 06:12:12] <froztbyte> that acks events and suppresses them until that event closes
[03-Dec-2010 06:12:14] <froztbyte> doesn't change new ones, though
[03-Dec-2010 06:12:17] <froztbyte> that's event transform territory
[03-Dec-2010 06:12:19] <froztbyte> (maybe automate creating transforms)
[03-Dec-2010 06:12:22] <froztbyte> .........
[03-Dec-2010 06:13:13] <kokey> weird on the v3 interface you can acknowledge events but then they remain there
[03-Dec-2010 06:13:28] <kokey> but under the status dropdown you can tick to show suppressed events
[03-Dec-2010 06:13:52] <froztbyte> and theeeere we go
[03-Dec-2010 06:13:53] <froztbyte> goddamn that's annoying
[03-Dec-2010 06:13:56] <kokey> but it doesn't look like you can actually set any event to suppressed through the gui
[03-Dec-2010 06:14:11] <froztbyte> oh, yeah
[03-Dec-2010 06:14:13] <froztbyte> they'll remain there
[03-Dec-2010 06:14:15] <froztbyte> but they just won't do anything
[03-Dec-2010 06:18:22] <kokey> i'm going to actually rftm
[03-Dec-2010 06:18:27] <kokey> the whole section on events
[03-Dec-2010 06:28:13] <froztbyte> hehe
[03-Dec-2010 06:28:21] <froztbyte> also read the event management paper
[03-Dec-2010 06:28:25] <froztbyte> it's fantastic
[03-Dec-2010 06:31:32] <kokey> yeah for sure i'll want to get into all the nice stuff one can do with event transforms
[03-Dec-2010 06:32:04] <kokey> however i want to try stick to the stock features as far as possible since i suspect it might get too easy to reinvent the wheel by accident with transforms
[03-Dec-2010 06:34:04] <froztbyte> indeed
[03-Dec-2010 06:34:13] <froztbyte> I'm very guilty of that in some places
[03-Dec-2010 06:36:40] <kokey> i've noticed
[03-Dec-2010 06:36:41] <kokey> hehe
[03-Dec-2010 06:36:48] <froztbyte> 
[03-Dec-2010 06:36:53] * froztbyte is a glue engineer
[03-Dec-2010 06:37:17] <froztbyte> if I don't have time to do it otherwise, it gets stuck together and I add a note to my guilt list
[03-Dec-2010 06:37:26] <froztbyte> later when I have time I revisit the guilt list 
[03-Dec-2010 06:37:31] <kokey> i have the same habit but the point of my current implementation is to put it together in such a way that i can bugger off and someone else can manage it
[03-Dec-2010 06:38:11] <froztbyte> that's the ideal way to do it
[03-Dec-2010 06:38:11] <kokey> so i need to try keep it as close to the stock way of doing things as i can with as little as possible customisations
[03-Dec-2010 07:01:33] <kokey> i think i picked the wrong day to rtfm
[03-Dec-2010 07:01:39] <kokey> chatty day at the office
[03-Dec-2010 07:24:17] <kokey> hmmmm
[03-Dec-2010 08:07:46] <froztbyte> one of those days?
[03-Dec-2010 08:08:00] <csabo> crap
[03-Dec-2010 08:08:09] <csabo> I forgot to change backup tapes yesterday
[03-Dec-2010 08:09:37] <csabo> anyone here used Erics new esxi zenpack?
[03-Dec-2010 08:10:10] <csabo> i followed the instructions to a T, and its not working, when i model it takes 1 second, literally. and it shows ESXi stuff, but theres nothing there
[03-Dec-2010 08:10:13] <csabo> I let it sit overnight
[03-Dec-2010 08:10:44] <csabo> 2010-12-03 08:05:45,352 INFO zen.ZenModeler: plugins: community.cmd.VMwareESXiGuestMap, community.cmd.VMwareESXiHostMap
[03-Dec-2010 08:10:55] <csabo> 2010-12-03 08:05:45,353 INFO zen.PythonClient: Getting VMware ESXi guest info for device VMwareHost_2
[03-Dec-2010 08:11:08] <csabo> no change detected, 2010-12-03 08:05:45,472 INFO zen.ZenModeler: Scan time: 0.14 seconds
[03-Dec-2010 08:22:16] <Sam-I-Am> i might be testing that one out soon...
[03-Dec-2010 08:27:46] <ericenns> Hey Eric's here
[03-Dec-2010 08:30:35] <froztbyte> aaaahahahahaha
[03-Dec-2010 08:30:38] <froztbyte> man, I was confused now
[03-Dec-2010 08:30:53] <froztbyte> had a set of devices that were auto-acked in alerts
[03-Dec-2010 08:31:01] <froztbyte> and I /know/ that no-one applied those
[03-Dec-2010 08:31:38] <froztbyte> ended up being the topology stuff doing what it's supposed to..it's my only network with enough gathered topology information
[03-Dec-2010 08:31:42] <froztbyte> 
[03-Dec-2010 09:07:54] <forsberg> how do i fastest get all devices into my no-alert group, we have xmas dinner at companay, im on duty and dont want any alarms
[03-Dec-2010 09:07:57] <forsberg> ;>
[03-Dec-2010 09:08:30] <froztbyte> just change the alert rules, or kill the script that gets killed 
[03-Dec-2010 09:08:48] <forsberg> think ill just kill the sms gateway
[03-Dec-2010 09:08:50] <forsberg> easiest
[03-Dec-2010 09:08:51] <forsberg> 
[03-Dec-2010 09:09:12] <csabo> ericenns: hey mate
[03-Dec-2010 09:09:24] <csabo> do you mind helping me for a minute with your zenpack? i followed the instructions listed
[03-Dec-2010 09:09:31] <ericenns> csabo: hey ya I can do that
[03-Dec-2010 09:11:35] <csabo> ericenns: i installed each of the dependencies, restarted zope each time, installed yours, restarted zenoss
[03-Dec-2010 09:11:42] <ericenns> csabo: so can I assume that you have zVSphere[Username|Password] and zCommand[Username|Password] set to your vsphere account
[03-Dec-2010 09:11:49] <csabo> well kind of
[03-Dec-2010 09:11:54] <csabo> vsphere is broken atm
[03-Dec-2010 09:12:01] <csabo> so i used the local root accounts on the esx box
[03-Dec-2010 09:12:05] <csabo> esxi*
[03-Dec-2010 09:12:10] <ericenns> oh I see hmm
[03-Dec-2010 09:12:14] <csabo> will that not work?
[03-Dec-2010 09:12:32] <ericenns> well the zenpack uses the vsphere perl sdk
[03-Dec-2010 09:12:32] <csabo> heres the issue, the vmware boxes have external IPs for their management interface..
[03-Dec-2010 09:12:55] <ericenns> ok
[03-Dec-2010 09:16:00] <ericenns> can you go to templates and select the "VMwareHost" template
[03-Dec-2010 09:17:56] <ericenns> and then select "VMwareHost" datapoint and do view edit details and test against your esxi server
[03-Dec-2010 09:21:09] <csabo> sorry was talking to my boss
[03-Dec-2010 09:21:12] <csabo> oen sec  doing tha tnow
[03-Dec-2010 09:21:32] <ericenns> ok no problem, I got 40 min until I have a meeting
[03-Dec-2010 09:22:25] <ericenns> that command hopefully shouldn't take that long to run
[03-Dec-2010 09:24:48] <csabo> Can't locate VMware/VIRuntime.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.VMwareDataSource-1.0.egg/ZenPacks/community/VMwareDataSource/libexec/esxi_performance.pl line 9. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/ZenP
[03-Dec-2010 09:25:41] <csabo> that doesnt look good 
[03-Dec-2010 09:26:11] <csabo> ericenns: did i fail at somthing?
[03-Dec-2010 09:26:33] <ericenns> looks like your missing the vsphere perl api
[03-Dec-2010 09:27:36] <rmatte> ericenns: I'm going to try out your ZenPack today against our vSphere ESX environment
[03-Dec-2010 09:27:56] <ericenns> rmatte: ok cool, let me know how it goes
[03-Dec-2010 09:28:30] <csabo> ericenns: thats the case, i didnt know i needed to install it lol, so i need to put it on the zenoss server then?
[03-Dec-2010 09:28:40] <csabo> that will be interesting, i dont have SSH access (303 upgrade broke SSH)
[03-Dec-2010 09:29:04] <ericenns> yup it was a dependency for the VMware Data Source portion, oh fun
[03-Dec-2010 09:31:01] <csabo> okay, once i get that installed, should this just start working after a remodel?
[03-Dec-2010 09:31:44] <ericenns> it should I would try that command again to be sure, but that seems to be the only problem, another thing is the device named the same as it's dns entry
[03-Dec-2010 09:32:48] <Sam-I-Am> anyone know if this happens to work on zen 2.5?
[03-Dec-2010 09:32:48] <Sam-I-Am> docs/DOC-8499
[03-Dec-2010 09:32:53] <Sam-I-Am> only claims 3, but who knows.
[03-Dec-2010 09:33:33] <ericenns> if it has no gui parts it should technically work on 2.5
[03-Dec-2010 09:45:16] <RuslanPopov> ppl, help me, I need to remove template from device, how to do that with zenoss 2.5
[03-Dec-2010 09:49:01] <Sam-I-Am> go to device, select the leftmost menu (with the down arrow), select templates, remove as needed.
[03-Dec-2010 09:52:42] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: that ZenPack should work
[03-Dec-2010 09:52:52] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: It's just a plugin and templates
[03-Dec-2010 09:54:13] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: aight
[03-Dec-2010 10:04:35] <RuslanPopov> open device page
[03-Dec-2010 10:04:45] <RuslanPopov> more -> templates
[03-Dec-2010 10:05:03] <RuslanPopov> see a list of two templates
[03-Dec-2010 10:05:04] <Sam-I-Am> well, the show graph portlet for 3 does not work in 2.5
[03-Dec-2010 10:05:15] <RuslanPopov> but I can't select it, I am admin there
[03-Dec-2010 10:05:58] <Sam-I-Am> if its a non-inherited template, you'll see a 'remove' button on the right
[03-Dec-2010 10:06:21] <RuslanPopov> on right I see only 'create local copy'
[03-Dec-2010 10:06:27] <Sam-I-Am> then its an inherited template
[03-Dec-2010 10:06:45] <RuslanPopov> so, what do I have to do?
[03-Dec-2010 10:06:54] <Sam-I-Am> change the location of it in the device tree
[03-Dec-2010 10:07:02] <Sam-I-Am> to something that contains the correct template
[03-Dec-2010 10:07:31] <RuslanPopov> no device contains that template
[03-Dec-2010 10:07:40] <RuslanPopov> I bind it on one only
[03-Dec-2010 10:07:47] <Sam-I-Am> for non-inherited stuff, the menu in the upper left contains 'bind' and 'add'
[03-Dec-2010 10:07:59] <Sam-I-Am> maybe you're looking for bind/add...
[03-Dec-2010 10:08:24] <RuslanPopov> add , bind and reset
[03-Dec-2010 10:08:45] <rmatte> does anyone know of any good software that I could run to temporarily collect traffic stats on a device via snmp?
[03-Dec-2010 10:08:47] <RuslanPopov> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[03-Dec-2010 10:09:02] <RuslanPopov> I bind the first template and it overwrites all
[03-Dec-2010 10:09:04] <rmatte> I'm basically looking for something that I can use to track down interfaces with high interface utilization
[03-Dec-2010 10:09:06] <RuslanPopov> THANKYOU!
[03-Dec-2010 10:09:13] <rmatte> but to be used as a temporary thing
[03-Dec-2010 10:09:18] <RuslanPopov> zenoss is written by aliens
[03-Dec-2010 10:09:28] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte:zenoss wont do it?
[03-Dec-2010 10:09:28] <rmatte> awesome aliens
[03-Dec-2010 10:09:49] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: well, I don't want to enable monitoring of it in Zenoss because I also have port status monitoring tied to my templates
[03-Dec-2010 10:09:55] <Sam-I-Am> ah
[03-Dec-2010 10:09:56] <Sam-I-Am> cacti?
[03-Dec-2010 10:09:58] <rmatte> and if I enable it for all those user ports, alerts galore
[03-Dec-2010 10:10:09] <rmatte> I was hoping more of a desktop app
[03-Dec-2010 10:10:14] <Sam-I-Am> not really
[03-Dec-2010 10:10:20] <rmatte> hmmm
[03-Dec-2010 10:10:27] <LarsN> rmatte: do you know the process offhand to remove "/status/ping" from a device class?
[03-Dec-2010 10:10:37] <Sam-I-Am> i only monitor ports via trap, and on the ports i dont care about, i tell the switch/router not to send traps
[03-Dec-2010 10:10:47] <rmatte> /Status/Ping is a device class
[03-Dec-2010 10:10:51] <rmatte> so I don't get what you're asking
[03-Dec-2010 10:11:02] <rmatte> well, an event class
[03-Dec-2010 10:11:14] <RuslanPopov> it would be better I move to russian zabbix 
[03-Dec-2010 10:11:16] <Sam-I-Am> maybe stop zenoss from pinging something?
[03-Dec-2010 10:11:22] <RuslanPopov> their logic I understand more
[03-Dec-2010 10:11:25] <rmatte> LarsN: do you mean to disable ping monitoring on a class?
[03-Dec-2010 10:11:28] <LarsN> rmatte: yes
[03-Dec-2010 10:11:31] <LarsN> sorry,
[03-Dec-2010 10:11:35] <rmatte> simple, zProperties for the class
[03-Dec-2010 10:11:40] <rmatte> set zPingMonitorIgnore to true
[03-Dec-2010 10:11:41] <rmatte> done
[03-Dec-2010 10:11:44] <LarsN> danke
[03-Dec-2010 10:11:46] <rmatte> np
[03-Dec-2010 10:12:14] <cgibbons> tada
[03-Dec-2010 10:12:31] <cgibbons> okay, so last chance to ask me questions in the next few hours. today's my last day in the big Z.
[03-Dec-2010 10:12:36] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[03-Dec-2010 10:12:56] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: you leaving too?
[03-Dec-2010 10:13:05] <cgibbons> too?
[03-Dec-2010 10:13:09] <Sam-I-Am> mray left
[03-Dec-2010 10:13:25] <cgibbons> ah yes, a while back, so yeah
[03-Dec-2010 10:13:31] <Sam-I-Am> where to?
[03-Dec-2010 10:14:23] <cgibbons> no where! taking a long time off 
[03-Dec-2010 10:14:40] <Sam-I-Am> uh, wow
[03-Dec-2010 10:14:55] * LarsN keeps reading about avalon
[03-Dec-2010 10:15:00] <cgibbons> the plan is a year, but if i take it to the end of january it'll be a miracle
[03-Dec-2010 10:15:08] * LarsN hopes for an early christmas, but knows it's unlikely
[03-Dec-2010 10:15:10] <Sam-I-Am> any plans after that?
[03-Dec-2010 10:15:42] <cgibbons> not yet
[03-Dec-2010 10:15:47] <Sam-I-Am> wow
[03-Dec-2010 10:15:55] <Sam-I-Am> why not just take a sabbatical from zenoss?
[03-Dec-2010 10:16:32] <cgibbons> i didn't ask, but i doubt i'd want to come back to the same thing after a long break
[03-Dec-2010 10:16:56] <Sam-I-Am> i suppose you wont have too much trouble finding another job...
[03-Dec-2010 10:17:09] <cgibbons> nah, the hard part is ignoring the stuff that comes out of the woodwork
[03-Dec-2010 10:17:13] <rmatte> guess I'm stuck using cacti
[03-Dec-2010 10:17:23] <Sam-I-Am> cacti isnt toooo bad
[03-Dec-2010 10:17:31] <froztbyte> it's not tooooo good either
[03-Dec-2010 10:17:33] <Sam-I-Am> at least for basic graphing
[03-Dec-2010 10:17:39] <froztbyte> my main reason for still using it is lack of time 
[03-Dec-2010 10:17:45] <froztbyte> it's collection abilities fail so hard
[03-Dec-2010 10:17:47] <froztbyte> even with spine
[03-Dec-2010 10:18:07] <rmatte> cgibbons: wow, seems like people are just flying out the door there lately
[03-Dec-2010 10:18:12] <froztbyte> cgibbons: could you ask someone to prod me further up in the enterprise-trial queue? 
[03-Dec-2010 10:18:15] <rmatte> Matt, Mark, and now you
[03-Dec-2010 10:18:39] <cgibbons> i'm sure there will be more, as the company grows you naturally have more turn-over. just normal. us 3 were some of the more noisy ones though.
[03-Dec-2010 10:19:12] * Sam-I-Am needs a zenoss guy to work here lol
[03-Dec-2010 10:19:29] <cgibbons> in my case, being remote as the company grew became a big hassle
[03-Dec-2010 10:19:39] <Sam-I-Am> i can see that
[03-Dec-2010 10:20:20] <froztbyte> err, where isthe company based?
[03-Dec-2010 10:20:23] <froztbyte> is the*
[03-Dec-2010 10:20:27] <Sam-I-Am> maryland?
[03-Dec-2010 10:20:52] <froztbyte> don't know america, but somehow texas comes to mind
[03-Dec-2010 10:21:09] <cgibbons> the HQ is in Annapolis, MD, but most of the company is in Austin, TX
[03-Dec-2010 10:21:22] <cgibbons> I live in a suburb of Houston, TX, so I do a lot of 6-hour commuting every other week
[03-Dec-2010 10:21:33] <cgibbons> had an apartment here in town last year to make it easier, etc
[03-Dec-2010 10:21:33] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, austins pretty nice
[03-Dec-2010 10:21:39] <cgibbons> yeah, austin is great town
[03-Dec-2010 10:21:46] <Sam-I-Am> beats houston with a stick
[03-Dec-2010 10:21:56] <cgibbons> in some ways
[03-Dec-2010 10:24:06] <cgibbons> I did this really awesome report for the new reporting feature in the past couple of weeks. Nice way to go out on. All shiny 
[03-Dec-2010 10:25:45] <Sam-I-Am> cgibbons: so whats on for the next few months?
[03-Dec-2010 10:26:03] <cgibbons> some travel, catchin' up on this huge queue of research I want to do
[03-Dec-2010 10:26:07] <cgibbons> lots of sports
[03-Dec-2010 10:26:25] <Sam-I-Am> trip to an all-inclusive in mexico? heh
[03-Dec-2010 10:30:30] <tiredofme> has anyone ever had success with monitoring backup exec jobs?
[03-Dec-2010 10:30:54] <rmatte> tiredofme: I do it all the time
[03-Dec-2010 10:31:25] <tiredofme> rmatte: what is your approach? windows event log, syslog?
[03-Dec-2010 10:32:30] <rmatte> tiredofme: backup exec can be configured to send traps
[03-Dec-2010 10:32:52] <cgibbons> here's what some of the future reports might look like: http://www.pastethat.com/networkhealth 
[03-Dec-2010 10:33:14] <rmatte> cgibbons: looks slick, too bad it'll be enterprise only lol
[03-Dec-2010 10:33:30] <tiredofme> rmatte: ah, I'll have to discuss that with the backup guys, thanks
[03-Dec-2010 10:33:41] <cgibbons> well, they thinking of selling the reporting feature to core users, too, without needing all of enterprise
[03-Dec-2010 10:33:43] <rmatte> tiredofme: no problem
[03-Dec-2010 10:33:52] <cgibbons> dunno if they'll actually do that, but right now they want to
[03-Dec-2010 10:34:00] <rmatte> cgibbons: that would be cool if they did
[03-Dec-2010 10:34:04] <rmatte> we'd definitely pick it up
[03-Dec-2010 10:35:04] <rmatte> cgibbons: is that screenshot just proof of concept?
[03-Dec-2010 10:35:09] <rmatte> or is that actually a working report?
[03-Dec-2010 10:35:14] <cgibbons> that's a screen shot of an actual working report
[03-Dec-2010 10:35:19] <rmatte> sweet
[03-Dec-2010 10:35:34] <rmatte> then trending is what'll really make those nice
[03-Dec-2010 10:36:27] <cgibbons> most of the ones in the first release will be very simple (lots of Top-N reports), but the PM has been asking me to get a fancy demo for a while so I spent some time doing it. We wanted to integrate the R Analytics system into the reporting system (it's designed to do it) but it turns out you can do the simple statistical regressions within the charting package.
[03-Dec-2010 10:36:32] <rmatte> cgibbons: so Zenoss are moving away from remote people I guess?
[03-Dec-2010 10:36:56] <rmatte> nice, yeh it looks good
[03-Dec-2010 10:37:26] <cgibbons> not especially, but just as the team as grown mostly in Austin the # of remote people is pretty small now. It's myself, Kells somewhere in the great white north, Eric Edgar in MN, and then probably just sales people
[03-Dec-2010 10:37:30] <rmatte> once you guys have those reports done it'll be easy to build a solarwinds style portal page
[03-Dec-2010 10:37:37] <cgibbons> yeah
[03-Dec-2010 10:37:56] <rmatte> so are you actually leaving Zenoss or just taking a break and coming back?
[03-Dec-2010 10:38:32] <cgibbons> The reporting feature is some Zenoss modifications (ZenPacks, 'core' changes) and then a new server component (intended to be on a separate system) that is running tomcat, mysql, jasperserver, and some of our code.
[03-Dec-2010 10:38:33] <cgibbons> leaving
[03-Dec-2010 10:38:36] <rmatte> ah
[03-Dec-2010 10:39:15] <cgibbons> JS also includes a wonderful ad-hoc reporting system that's all drag-and-drop and easy for end-users to do crosstabs and whatever without having to know SQL.
[03-Dec-2010 10:39:44] <rmatte> nice
[03-Dec-2010 10:40:20] <rmatte> I think the new reports are going to push Zenoss' value up significantly
[03-Dec-2010 10:40:37] <cgibbons> indeed
[03-Dec-2010 10:40:45] <rmatte> now if only they can get the template editing in the new UI sorted out, it'll be one heck of a product 
[03-Dec-2010 10:41:06] <rmatte> that's the only thing that's been holding me back from upgrading
[03-Dec-2010 10:41:55] <rmatte> speaking of which, today shall be the day that I write up a list of issues with the template editing
[03-Dec-2010 10:42:24] <cgibbons> one thing I didn't get finished in that report is solving the missing data issue. the sinusoidal pattern in the historical line in the middle chart is artificial, as we don't have data for every hour in that time range.
[03-Dec-2010 10:44:15] <rmatte> ohhh
[03-Dec-2010 10:44:24] <rmatte> I thought it looked a bit too neat
[03-Dec-2010 10:44:24] <rmatte> hehe
[03-Dec-2010 10:45:04] <rmatte> I'm sure they'll figure it out
[03-Dec-2010 10:49:00] <cgibbons> RRD handles that with its consolidation function feature
[03-Dec-2010 10:50:00] <kokey> there going to be mouse selectable multi graph stuff?
[03-Dec-2010 10:51:21] <mray> interesting, Amazon Cloudwatch monitoring is now free
[03-Dec-2010 10:53:03] <rmatte> smart on their part, gives them a leg up on the competition
[03-Dec-2010 11:07:40] <rmatte> cgibbons: hmm, in that screenshot, the data in the Input, Output, and Total columns is presented a bit weird
[03-Dec-2010 11:07:55] <rmatte> .02839GB instead of whatever that is in MB
[03-Dec-2010 11:08:00] <cgibbons> yeah well, details
[03-Dec-2010 11:08:03] <rmatte> 
[03-Dec-2010 11:09:03] <cgibbons> one of the things i wanted to finish for that, but didn't get a chance to do so, is the auto-scaling of those values into G, M, K, or whatever. it's too grungy right now.
[03-Dec-2010 11:09:18] * rmatte nods
[03-Dec-2010 11:09:57] <rmatte> was the actual graph generation coded from scratch or did you use something pre-built for that?
[03-Dec-2010 11:20:38] <cgibbons> the layering is jasperserver -> jasperreports -> jfreecharts (or fusion charts, which is flash based)
[03-Dec-2010 11:20:50] <cgibbons> so that's using a graph customizer that in turn uses the jfreechart API to do some simple customizations
[03-Dec-2010 11:21:24] <cgibbons> the trending is added dynamically as a dataset based upon the data coming from the database, and the rendering types is changed (limited options in the jasperreport UI to configure the type of rendering)
[03-Dec-2010 11:21:46] <cgibbons> typically what you'd do is build a chart customizer like that, and make it into a chart theme that can then be applied to charts as you build reports... imagine a network-utilization chart theme, for example.
[03-Dec-2010 11:22:13] <willwh> hi guys 
[03-Dec-2010 11:22:48] <willwh> just a quick question re: Zenoss 3.0* and regex on check_http
[03-Dec-2010 11:23:06] <willwh> I used that in 2.5.* to hit sites and look for a regex (a guid)
[03-Dec-2010 11:23:46] <willwh> anyway - I have a local template for the device in question - but I don't see how I can access the http ip service params for that device only
[03-Dec-2010 11:25:22] <willwh> in 2.5* I'd simply make a local template and go, more > templates
[03-Dec-2010 11:25:32] <willwh> or wait, I am remebering incorrectly maybe
[03-Dec-2010 11:25:34] <willwh> cart before the horse
[03-Dec-2010 11:27:18] <rmatte> hmmm, on one of my Zenoss servers I have an aggregate interface graph that is showing 0
[03-Dec-2010 11:27:25] <rmatte> yet last time we ran it it worked fine
[03-Dec-2010 11:27:31] <rmatte> and there is definitely monitored interfaces
[03-Dec-2010 11:27:36] <rmatte> anyone ever seen this before?
[03-Dec-2010 11:28:08] <willwh> hmm
[03-Dec-2010 11:28:20] <willwh> nope - mine all seem to be working nicely
[03-Dec-2010 11:28:29] <willwh> (I just migrated from 2.5* -> 3.*)
[03-Dec-2010 11:29:21] <willwh> I did have a similar graph in my 2.5* deploy - it always worked nicely
[03-Dec-2010 11:29:33] <rmatte> yeh, they work fine on my other Zenoss installs
[03-Dec-2010 11:29:39] <rmatte> this issue just popped up today on one of them
[03-Dec-2010 11:29:46] <willwh> huh
[03-Dec-2010 11:29:52] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: aggregate interface as in 802.1ad?
[03-Dec-2010 11:29:57] <Sam-I-Am> or maybe its 802.3...
[03-Dec-2010 11:30:17] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: It's just a graph showing all traffic on a single graph
[03-Dec-2010 11:30:23] <Sam-I-Am> oh
[03-Dec-2010 11:30:31] <rmatte> it's showing nothing
[03-Dec-2010 11:30:32] <Sam-I-Am> so... adding it all up?
[03-Dec-2010 11:30:37] <rmatte> yes
[03-Dec-2010 11:30:41] <rmatte> it comes standard with Zenoss
[03-Dec-2010 11:30:46] <Sam-I-Am> huh, weird
[03-Dec-2010 11:30:54] <rmatte> Reports -> Performance Reports -> Aggregate Reports
[03-Dec-2010 11:35:19] <rmatte> interesting
[03-Dec-2010 11:35:21] <rmatte> RenderServer Failed generating graph from plugin test
[03-Dec-2010 11:35:48] <rmatte> I don't recall adding a datasource called test, maybe I did
[03-Dec-2010 11:37:09] <Sam-I-Am> yay renderserver
[03-Dec-2010 11:39:26] <rmatte> yeh
[03-Dec-2010 11:39:35] <Sam-I-Am> its caused me many hours of pain
[03-Dec-2010 11:39:57] <Sam-I-Am> especially with that issue where i figured out something requires at least 1 avg consolidation in the rrd, even if its only 2 points and nothing uses it
[03-Dec-2010 11:40:09] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/t8H0/raw/
[03-Dec-2010 11:40:17] <rmatte> that's what I'm seeing in a log
[03-Dec-2010 11:40:23] <rmatte> though it says 0 unresolved
[03-Dec-2010 11:40:34] <rmatte> so technically that should be harmless, but I figure it's related in some way
[03-Dec-2010 11:40:46] <Sam-I-Am> ew
[03-Dec-2010 11:42:26] <rmatte> hmmm, I just generated the graph and didn't see that error though
[03-Dec-2010 11:43:09] <rmatte> every time I load a graph I see a conflict error though
[03-Dec-2010 11:43:34] <Sam-I-Am> something is f'd
[03-Dec-2010 11:44:49] <willwh> incedently lads... I have a 3.* deploy running on an ec2 micro instance ;o
[03-Dec-2010 11:45:07] <willwh> dd ftw, I gave her a chunk of swap - and off to the races 
[03-Dec-2010 11:45:28] <willwh> the interface is not snappy - but I am not monitoring much more than 50 devices on that deploy
[03-Dec-2010 11:45:37] <willwh> been running for a week so far, nicely.
[03-Dec-2010 11:45:38] <rmatte> I've solved more difficult Zenoss problems than this so I'm sure I'll figure it out 
[03-Dec-2010 11:45:45] <willwh> :>
[03-Dec-2010 11:46:02] <rmatte> willwh: cool, gaps in graphs at all?
[03-Dec-2010 11:46:27] <willwh> not that I have noticed yet....
[03-Dec-2010 11:47:43] <willwh> and even if there are - it's not an enormous worry
[03-Dec-2010 11:47:49] * rmatte nods
[03-Dec-2010 11:48:11] <willwh> s'just quite a cost effective way to do run it, small scale, of course 
[03-Dec-2010 11:48:17] <willwh> -do
[03-Dec-2010 11:48:31] <willwh> sorry, first coffee, so I am not up to speed yet 
[03-Dec-2010 11:48:49] <rmatte> yup
[03-Dec-2010 11:50:24] <cgibbons> oooh coffee
[03-Dec-2010 11:50:57] <Sam-I-Am> coffee isnt working here
[03-Dec-2010 11:51:17] <kokey> someone just brought me a starbacks latte
[03-Dec-2010 11:51:25] <kokey> and i'm rather sensitive to caffiene
[03-Dec-2010 11:51:28] <kokey> so this is going to be fun
[03-Dec-2010 11:51:32] <kokey> starbucks
[03-Dec-2010 11:51:36] <rmatte> aha, that failed generating graph from plugin test message is related to the aggregate graph
[03-Dec-2010 11:51:44] <rmatte> now I just need to figure out what "test" is
[03-Dec-2010 11:52:16] <kokey> heh
[03-Dec-2010 11:52:26] <kokey> so we've hadded some routers to zenoss
[03-Dec-2010 11:52:37] <kokey> and the networking guy noticed that i can see like 339 routes on it
[03-Dec-2010 11:52:51] <kokey> and he realised that's not right since the customer routers aren't supposed to get all the routes, only a couple
[03-Dec-2010 11:53:03] <kokey> so he fixed it, but seems like it's now lost the route back to my zenoss server
[03-Dec-2010 11:53:33] <rmatte> lol
[03-Dec-2010 11:54:47] <kokey> that's what happens when you 'fix' things on a friday afternoon
[03-Dec-2010 11:55:21] <kokey> ok half way through that latte now and i'm _wired_
[03-Dec-2010 11:55:34] <willwh> 
[03-Dec-2010 11:55:52] <kokey> i am cornholio
[03-Dec-2010 12:00:03] <Sam-I-Am> kokey: if that was the case, wouldnt zenoss not be able to see it
[03-Dec-2010 12:00:30] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: yeah it can't ping it now
[03-Dec-2010 12:01:29] <Sam-I-Am> durrr
[03-Dec-2010 12:38:34] <rmatte> this aggregate graph issue is such a pain
[03-Dec-2010 12:42:42] <rmatte> there's a spot to specify devices for this aggregate report, but it doesn't work
[03-Dec-2010 12:45:53] <Sam-I-Am> wow @ incompetent technical support folks... it would help if they knew how their own products worked.
[03-Dec-2010 12:48:14] <rmatte> ?
[03-Dec-2010 12:48:57] <Sam-I-Am> brocade
[03-Dec-2010 12:49:33] <Sam-I-Am> i clearly explained a situation that isnt working as expected, provided configs, and somehow they screwed it all up.
[03-Dec-2010 12:49:41] <rmatte> lol
[03-Dec-2010 12:49:52] <Sam-I-Am> simple things like you can't name an ACL one thing, and then try to apply it using a different name.
[03-Dec-2010 12:50:05] <rmatte> was the tech support rep someone with an indian accent who introduced themselves as "Paul"?
[03-Dec-2010 12:50:12] <rmatte> because if so, that should have been your first clue
[03-Dec-2010 12:50:17] <Sam-I-Am> these guys use their real foreign names
[03-Dec-2010 12:50:25] <Sam-I-Am> so theres no guessing
[03-Dec-2010 12:50:27] <rmatte> haha
[03-Dec-2010 12:50:36] <Sam-I-Am> usually they're pretty good, but this is a bit disturbing
[03-Dec-2010 12:50:52] <rmatte> you should contact someone at brocade and complain
[03-Dec-2010 12:50:56] <Sam-I-Am> also, if you're trying to test an outbound ACL, you can't just configure another interface on the same router and loop the ports together
[03-Dec-2010 12:51:02] <Sam-I-Am> its just going to ping internally
[03-Dec-2010 12:51:08] <rmatte> yup
[03-Dec-2010 12:51:18] <rmatte> that's just common sense
[03-Dec-2010 12:51:19] <Sam-I-Am> thats more or less what they are doing and saying "oh, it works!"
[03-Dec-2010 12:51:31] <rmatte> lol
[03-Dec-2010 12:54:48] <cgibbons> poufta!
[03-Dec-2010 12:58:38] <rmatte> lol
[03-Dec-2010 13:13:24] <rmatte> damnit, I've tried everything that I can find to fix this
[03-Dec-2010 13:37:56] <mdustman> Windows 2003 SP2 SQL Server 2005
[03-Dec-2010 13:37:57] <mdustman> Zenpack WMIPerfMSSQL2005
[03-Dec-2010 13:37:57] <mdustman> Testing the
[03-Dec-2010 13:37:57] <mdustman> Data Point gets me
[03-Dec-2010 13:37:57] <mdustman> ERROR:zen.WMIClient:Received NT code 0x80041010 from query:
[03-Dec-2010 13:37:57] <mdustman> Any thoughts?
[03-Dec-2010 13:42:15] <csabo> yes
[03-Dec-2010 13:42:16] <csabo> stop
[03-Dec-2010 13:42:17] <csabo> typing
[03-Dec-2010 13:42:18] <csabo> like
[03-Dec-2010 13:42:18] <csabo> this
[03-Dec-2010 13:42:29] <csabo> its annoying, if you dont have time to use spacebar, you dont have time to fix your issue
[03-Dec-2010 13:42:45] <csabo> that error code isnt the WMI plugin, its your server
[03-Dec-2010 13:43:07] <rmatte> 
[03-Dec-2010 13:43:16] <rmatte> I used to type like that all the time
[03-Dec-2010 13:43:26] <csabo> as did I, when i was like 12
[03-Dec-2010 13:43:35] <rmatte> yeh lol
[03-Dec-2010 13:44:28] <csabo> im getting used to this clietn
[03-Dec-2010 13:44:36] <csabo> its a little odd, not gonna lie, but I do like it
[03-Dec-2010 13:44:50] <rmatte> Is that the Quassel one?
[03-Dec-2010 13:44:56] <csabo> yes sir
[03-Dec-2010 13:45:03] <rmatte> ah, cool, yeh it looks nice
[03-Dec-2010 13:45:17] <csabo> there were some nice themes, they just dont apply right to windows builds, doesnt theme the channel bar or nicklist
[03-Dec-2010 13:45:20] <rmatte> but it still won't pull be away from bitchx lol
[03-Dec-2010 13:45:24] <csabo> lol
[03-Dec-2010 13:45:32] <rmatte> ah
[03-Dec-2010 13:46:17] <csabo> 6.2.2-TIV-ITM_TMV-Agents-FP0003.tar = 3.355 GB
[03-Dec-2010 13:46:37] <csabo> i've downloaded 25gb so far in the last 24 hours for this
[03-Dec-2010 13:47:03] <rmatte> lol
[03-Dec-2010 13:47:25] <rmatte> let me know when you get the quake game server portion of the agents running
[03-Dec-2010 13:48:02] <rmatte> actually, that's probably Blizzard's secret, they are packaging WoW server software in to tivoli agents to reduce costs
[03-Dec-2010 13:48:24] * rmatte taps the side of his head with his index finger in a meaninful manner
[03-Dec-2010 13:50:11] <rmatte> "Hello, Tivoli support, I just got a strange error message that I was wondering if you could help me with.  'Unknown exception: "sword of truth"'."
[03-Dec-2010 13:50:52] <csabo> haha
[03-Dec-2010 13:51:08] <csabo> that pack is only the base OS agents
[03-Dec-2010 13:51:20] <csabo> agent for AIX,UNIX,Windows,Linux,Solaris,i5/OS
[03-Dec-2010 13:53:32] <csabo> good lord
[03-Dec-2010 13:53:42] <rmatte> ?
[03-Dec-2010 13:54:13] <rmatte> that's pretty huge for just agents
[03-Dec-2010 13:54:29] <rmatte> agents are supposed to be lightweight
[03-Dec-2010 13:54:31] <csabo> just OS agents
[03-Dec-2010 13:54:36] <csabo> not even application support
[03-Dec-2010 13:54:48] <csabo> lol to uninstall theres an uninstall.sh file
[03-Dec-2010 13:54:55] <rmatte> nice hehe
[03-Dec-2010 13:55:06] <csabo> i said good lord because the way to remove everything is "uninstall.sh REMOVE EVERYTHING"
[03-Dec-2010 13:55:08] <csabo> lol
[03-Dec-2010 13:55:25] <rmatte> oh, that's just dumb
[03-Dec-2010 13:55:49] <rmatte> Whatever happened to "Are you sure you want to proceed?"
[03-Dec-2010 13:55:55] <rmatte> 
[03-Dec-2010 13:55:59] <csabo> I dunno
[03-Dec-2010 13:56:22] <csabo> uninstall was alot easier than an install
[03-Dec-2010 13:56:36] * csabo wishes for install.sh INSTALL EVERYTHING
[03-Dec-2010 13:56:42] <rmatte> 
[03-Dec-2010 13:56:59] <csabo> its all good, this is frustrating for sure, but its a good learning experience
[03-Dec-2010 13:57:08] <rmatte> nah, it would be: ./install.sh LET'S DO THIS!
[03-Dec-2010 13:57:11] <csabo> lol
[03-Dec-2010 13:57:25] <csabo> install.sh TURN IT TO ELEVENTY
[03-Dec-2010 13:57:32] <rmatte> hehe
[03-Dec-2010 13:57:48] <csabo> so hows ryan today
[03-Dec-2010 13:57:48] <rmatte> "This one, goes to eleven" *smugly poses*
[03-Dec-2010 13:57:53] <csabo> lol
[03-Dec-2010 13:57:53] <Orv> :-)
[03-Dec-2010 13:57:57] <csabo> sup Orv
[03-Dec-2010 13:58:10] <Orv> rmatte: "Spinal Network Tap"  ??  :-D
[03-Dec-2010 13:58:20] <rmatte> I'd be a lot better if I could figure out this stupid zope database conflict error that is causing my aggregate network report graph to generate with absolutely no data
[03-Dec-2010 13:58:33] <csabo> NAN: 1 / rmatte : 0
[03-Dec-2010 13:58:40] <rmatte> not even nan
[03-Dec-2010 13:58:42] <rmatte> it shows 0
[03-Dec-2010 13:58:44] <csabo> lol
[03-Dec-2010 13:59:32] <davetoo> using the formula stuff?
[03-Dec-2010 13:59:39] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/ruL1/raw/
[03-Dec-2010 13:59:53] <rmatte> davetoo: hm?
[03-Dec-2010 14:00:14] <davetoo> how are you creating the aggregate to graph?
[03-Dec-2010 14:00:29] <rmatte> it's the default aggregate graph that comes with Zenoss
[03-Dec-2010 14:00:35] <davetoo> 'k
[03-Dec-2010 14:00:42] <rmatte> /Reports /Performance Reports /Aggregate Reports
[03-Dec-2010 14:00:48] <rmatte> It was working fine last month
[03-Dec-2010 14:00:53] <rmatte> suddenly this month, no go
[03-Dec-2010 14:01:50] <rmatte> hmmm, time to delete all RRD files and see if that fixes it
[03-Dec-2010 14:02:01] <rmatte> If it does, groovy, if not, I'll restore the old RRDs
[03-Dec-2010 14:03:55] <davetoo> http://www.python.org/~jeremy/weblog/030514.html  <-- low-level zodb thing I just found and started reading...
[03-Dec-2010 14:04:08] <davetoo> about these conflicts
[03-Dec-2010 14:05:32] <rmatte> generally they are harmless, but in this case they appear to be an issue
[03-Dec-2010 14:08:24] <davetoo> http://fpaste.org/YTny/
[03-Dec-2010 14:09:10] <davetoo> I don't fully understand that yet; maybe a race condition somewhere?
[03-Dec-2010 14:09:53] <rmatte> I understand that
[03-Dec-2010 14:10:00] <rmatte> what it's basically saying is...
[03-Dec-2010 14:10:18] <rmatte> When version 2 of an object is written, it sets version 1 to invalid...
[03-Dec-2010 14:10:34] <rmatte> so if I'm in the process of reading version 1, I know to check for a newer version and read version 2 instead
[03-Dec-2010 14:10:39] <rmatte> is basically what it's saying
[03-Dec-2010 14:10:51] <davetoo> right; what I don't understand is how that condition could happen
[03-Dec-2010 14:11:04] <davetoo> unless you're reading a large object that takes a while to load
[03-Dec-2010 14:11:10] <rmatte> yeh
[03-Dec-2010 14:11:23] <davetoo> interesting
[03-Dec-2010 14:12:10] * rmatte bangs head on desk
[03-Dec-2010 14:12:18] <rmatte> this is one of the more frustrating problems I've dealt with
[03-Dec-2010 14:15:28] <rmatte> the thing is, I'm not always seeing that error when the graph generates
[03-Dec-2010 14:15:32] <rmatte> so I'm wondering if it's unrelated
[03-Dec-2010 14:17:48] <rmatte> wish Chet was around, he'd probably say "Oh yeh, I've seen that before" and have some script to fix it
[03-Dec-2010 14:17:53] <rmatte> lol
[03-Dec-2010 14:19:18] <mcgarnicle> hey guys, I was wondering if anyone knows of a cli way to delete a device? I have a device that still throws alerts, but has been missing from the web interface since doing the 3 upgrade
[03-Dec-2010 14:20:01] <rmatte> mcgarnicle: I have something for you to try...
[03-Dec-2010 14:20:27] <mcgarnicle> rmatte: ok, I'll give it a go =)
[03-Dec-2010 14:20:38] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/I8mw/raw/
[03-Dec-2010 14:20:42] <rmatte> try that in zendmd
[03-Dec-2010 14:27:21] <mcgarnicle> rmatte: still getting the device already exists when I try and add it
[03-Dec-2010 14:28:13] <rmatte> but it doesn't show up in the list?
[03-Dec-2010 14:28:24] <rmatte> did you happen to have the device in a custom device state?
[03-Dec-2010 14:29:15] <rmatte> custom production state I mean
[03-Dec-2010 14:29:28] <rmatte> because the only devices shown in the device view in 3.0 by default are Production devices
[03-Dec-2010 14:29:30] <mcgarnicle> correct, not in the list, I don't think it was in a custom prod state, but it wasn't in "production"
[03-Dec-2010 14:29:35] <rmatte> you need to drop the Production State dropdown
[03-Dec-2010 14:29:41] <rmatte> and select anything else you want to see
[03-Dec-2010 14:30:13] <rmatte> I'm guessing that's your problem
[03-Dec-2010 14:32:55] <mcgarnicle> ah so I figured out a workaround. The device is set as production, but didn't show in the list, but if I went into the events history and found the event and clicked the device it took me there.  Thanks for helping.
[03-Dec-2010 14:33:08] <rmatte> np
[03-Dec-2010 14:36:01] <csabo> rmatte did gibbons get you hired yet?
[03-Dec-2010 14:36:28] <rmatte> lol, nope, and cgibbons is done with Zenoss now
[03-Dec-2010 14:36:32] <rmatte> he's out the door as of today
[03-Dec-2010 14:37:04] <rmatte> I would like a job with Zenoss, but there needs to be an opening lol
[03-Dec-2010 14:37:22] <rmatte> and it has to be for a position where I can work remotely
[03-Dec-2010 14:37:40] <csabo> wtf he quit?
[03-Dec-2010 14:37:42] <csabo> why
[03-Dec-2010 14:37:50] <rmatte> didn't say
[03-Dec-2010 14:37:55] <csabo> hmm
[03-Dec-2010 14:37:56] <mray> he's a rolling stone
[03-Dec-2010 14:38:00] <csabo> not looking good for zenoss
[03-Dec-2010 14:38:06] <csabo> mray leaves
[03-Dec-2010 14:38:10] <rmatte> nah, they still have plenty of people
[03-Dec-2010 14:38:13] <csabo> wont say why, same for gibbons
[03-Dec-2010 14:38:17] <rmatte> Mark Hinkle left too, I hadn't even realized
[03-Dec-2010 14:38:22] <rmatte> he's working for Cloud.com now
[03-Dec-2010 14:38:24] <csabo> if they were great to work for, they wouldnt be leaving
[03-Dec-2010 14:38:38] <rmatte> not necessarily the case
[03-Dec-2010 14:38:43] <rmatte> but maybe
[03-Dec-2010 14:39:00] <mray> I really enjoyed my job, I just got an even better offer
[03-Dec-2010 14:39:10] <rmatte> yeh, OpsCode is a sweet gig
[03-Dec-2010 14:39:38] <csabo> did you get them to fix the homepage yet
[03-Dec-2010 14:39:45] <csabo> or is it still a single huge ramble of marketing crap
[03-Dec-2010 14:39:54] <csabo> that gives zero insight into what the product actually is
[03-Dec-2010 14:39:59] <mray> csabo: it's coming
[03-Dec-2010 14:40:02] <csabo> lol
[03-Dec-2010 14:40:06] <csabo> it is pretty epic
[03-Dec-2010 14:40:07] <rmatte> Well, it does say "What is Chef?"
[03-Dec-2010 14:40:11] <mray> they're rewriting the whole site
[03-Dec-2010 14:40:12] <rmatte> but that's about it
[03-Dec-2010 14:40:14] <csabo> i dont remember
[03-Dec-2010 14:40:43] <csabo> Chef is an open source systems integration framework built to bring the benefits of configuration management to your entire infrastructure
[03-Dec-2010 14:40:46] <csabo> crap like that
[03-Dec-2010 14:40:52] <rmatte> yeh
[03-Dec-2010 14:40:55] <csabo> looks a bit different
[03-Dec-2010 14:40:58] <csabo> but still doesnt say much
[03-Dec-2010 14:40:59] <rmatte> they need to have examples, screenshots, etc...
[03-Dec-2010 14:41:23] <csabo> lol
[03-Dec-2010 14:41:26] <rmatte> "You have 1000 servers and need to edit a config file on all of them, my lord, what do you do!?  CHEF!"
[03-Dec-2010 14:41:44] <csabo> lol
[03-Dec-2010 14:41:52] <csabo> my phone just rebooted its self
[03-Dec-2010 14:41:59] <rmatte> "You need a webserver up NOW!  What do you do!?  CHEF!"
[03-Dec-2010 14:42:01] <csabo> i havent touched it in an hour, its just sitting on my desk
[03-Dec-2010 14:42:11] <rmatte> lol
[03-Dec-2010 14:42:15] <rmatte> what kind of phone?
[03-Dec-2010 14:42:18] <csabo> "we need the biggest marketing jargon sentence ever what do i do? CHEF
[03-Dec-2010 14:42:25] <rmatte> hehe
[03-Dec-2010 14:42:26] <csabo> Moto Droid 1
[03-Dec-2010 14:42:34] <csabo> AOSP 2.2.1
[03-Dec-2010 14:42:50] <csabo> 23C , it didnt over heat
[03-Dec-2010 14:42:54] <csabo> owell its linux, who cares
[03-Dec-2010 14:42:59] <rmatte> "We need a product that briefly explains what it does in 1 cryptic sentence.  CHEF!"
[03-Dec-2010 14:43:01] <rmatte> 
[03-Dec-2010 14:43:08] <csabo> haha
[03-Dec-2010 14:43:15] <mray> heh, just pulled out my Nexus 1 and the battery is completely dead. Been sitting in a drawer for 6 weeks
[03-Dec-2010 14:43:19] <rmatte> either way, chef is cool and is definitely going to get bigger
[03-Dec-2010 14:43:28] <csabo> mray: you arent using the N1?
[03-Dec-2010 14:43:29] <rmatte> I want a Nexus S when they come out
[03-Dec-2010 14:43:41] <csabo> i'll wait for the tegra 2 stuff early next year
[03-Dec-2010 14:43:44] <csabo> dual core nvidia GPU = win
[03-Dec-2010 14:43:54] <csabo> dual core cpu, w/ nvidia gpu **
[03-Dec-2010 14:43:55] <mray> csabo: still rolling with my classic iPhone 3G
[03-Dec-2010 14:43:58] <rmatte> mray: did Zenoss get a deal on the Dell Streak and just have a bunch of them laying around or something?
[03-Dec-2010 14:44:04] <csabo> LOL you chose an iphone over an N1?
[03-Dec-2010 14:44:16] <csabo> wanna sell your N1?
[03-Dec-2010 14:44:21] <rmatte> I have an iphone, but I want to switch to a Nexus S when it comes out
[03-Dec-2010 14:44:25] <mray> got the N1 at OSCON, free unlocked
[03-Dec-2010 14:44:30] <csabo> 
[03-Dec-2010 14:44:33] <csabo> gimmie
[03-Dec-2010 14:44:38] <rmatte> I have a gen 1 iphone all jailbroken/unlocked and still kicking
[03-Dec-2010 14:44:44] <csabo> wait
[03-Dec-2010 14:44:45] <mray> we gave away Dell Streaks so they were ostensibly "Open Source" hardware
[03-Dec-2010 14:44:48] <rmatte> yeh, google hands them out at conferences
[03-Dec-2010 14:45:06] <rmatte> mray: should have given away Nexus 1's lol
[03-Dec-2010 14:45:16] <mray> Google doesn't sell them anywmore
[03-Dec-2010 14:45:27] <rmatte> I was watching the video on the dell streak, the guy goes "It can be used as a phone" and holds it up to his ear
[03-Dec-2010 14:45:33] <csabo> haha
[03-Dec-2010 14:45:35] <rmatte> and all I could think was "Oh my lord, that's huge"
[03-Dec-2010 14:45:45] <rmatte> totally doesn't work as a phone
[03-Dec-2010 14:45:51] <rmatte> and I'm not a tablet person
[03-Dec-2010 14:45:53] <csabo> is chef just a webgui for creating expect scripts?
[03-Dec-2010 14:45:58] <rmatte> no no
[03-Dec-2010 14:46:01] <csabo> rmatte:  thats what she said
[03-Dec-2010 14:46:05] <mray> csabo: hah
[03-Dec-2010 14:46:05] <rmatte> chef is super powerful
[03-Dec-2010 14:46:10] <csabo> lol
[03-Dec-2010 14:46:14] <csabo> like you even know what chef is
[03-Dec-2010 14:46:15] <rmatte> you build "recipes"
[03-Dec-2010 14:46:26] <csabo> mray doesnt even know what it is
[03-Dec-2010 14:46:31] <csabo> did you even look at that website?
[03-Dec-2010 14:46:32] <rmatte> you can basically load up a blank slate server
[03-Dec-2010 14:46:39] <rmatte> tell chef that it's a webserver
[03-Dec-2010 14:46:41] <rmatte> and it makes it so
[03-Dec-2010 14:46:49] <rmatte> automagically does all of the setup/config
[03-Dec-2010 14:47:04] <rmatte> then if down the road you decide that it's not longer going to be a webserver, it's going to be a database server
[03-Dec-2010 14:47:16] <rmatte> you tell chef it's a database server, and presto change-o
[03-Dec-2010 14:48:17] <csabo> no way its that easy
[03-Dec-2010 14:48:21] <csabo> you have to build the scripts to do that
[03-Dec-2010 14:48:23] <mray> better than that, you can roll out 10 webservers, 2 databases and a load balancer and everything can automatically be configured to use everything
[03-Dec-2010 14:48:36] <mray> and then deploy to EC2 and Rackspace and Terremark
[03-Dec-2010 14:48:53] <rmatte> yes, you have to build the scripts, but that are plenty of pre-made recipes available online
[03-Dec-2010 14:49:03] <rmatte> so you can just grab those and modify them as necessary
[03-Dec-2010 14:49:20] <rmatte> there are*
[03-Dec-2010 14:49:51] <mray> slowly working on the Zenoss cookbook, so devices are automatically monitored
[03-Dec-2010 14:49:59] <rmatte> http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/12/03/038255/Ransomware-Making-a-Comeback
[03-Dec-2010 14:50:11] <rmatte> lock up your daughters, it's *gasp* ransomware
[03-Dec-2010 14:50:20] <rmatte> yet another thing that makes me glad I'm a Linux user
[03-Dec-2010 14:50:33] <csabo> lol
[03-Dec-2010 14:50:43] <csabo> how does chef interface with the hardware?
[03-Dec-2010 14:50:52] <csabo> or do you have to install the BOS
[03-Dec-2010 14:51:02] <mray> base OS for now
[03-Dec-2010 14:51:16] <rmatte> yeh, but just use kickstart for that
[03-Dec-2010 14:51:17] <csabo> sorry, too much aix
[03-Dec-2010 14:51:18] <mray> most of our users are using cloud/vm
[03-Dec-2010 14:51:26] <rmatte> kickstart + chef == awesome
[03-Dec-2010 14:51:31] <csabo> so which OS's are supported
[03-Dec-2010 14:52:08] <mray> Ubuntu, Debian are the best supported
[03-Dec-2010 14:52:16] <mray> CentOS is improving
[03-Dec-2010 14:52:23] <mray> as far as cookbooks go
[03-Dec-2010 14:52:23] <rmatte> it's definitely not a windows thing
[03-Dec-2010 14:52:34] <mray> rmatte: actually it is
[03-Dec-2010 14:52:38] <rmatte> oh?
[03-Dec-2010 14:52:40] <mray> RightScale is working on that
[03-Dec-2010 14:52:45] <rmatte> ah, interesting
[03-Dec-2010 14:52:54] <mray> http://wiki.opscode.com/display/chef/Installation+on+Windows
[03-Dec-2010 14:53:34] <rmatte> csabo: this is better than their home page: http://wiki.opscode.com/display/chef/Home
[03-Dec-2010 14:53:36] <mray> as far as clients go, Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, CentOS, FreeBSD, Gentoo, Windows, Solaris
[03-Dec-2010 14:53:46] <rmatte> Gentoooo!
[03-Dec-2010 14:53:54] <mray> and Arch 
[03-Dec-2010 14:54:09] <rmatte> I've used every one of those except Arch
[03-Dec-2010 14:54:16] <rmatte> 
[03-Dec-2010 14:55:05] <rmatte> And on a completely unrelated note, there is a fish called a Wahoo
[03-Dec-2010 14:55:07] <rmatte> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahoo
[03-Dec-2010 14:56:19] <rmatte> aloha Nick
[03-Dec-2010 14:56:42] <csabo> hmm
[03-Dec-2010 14:56:48] <csabo> so, what do you mean by clients
[03-Dec-2010 14:56:53] <rmatte> hmmm, I'm still making zero progress on this aggregate graph issue
[03-Dec-2010 14:57:08] <csabo> that makes 2 of us
[03-Dec-2010 14:57:14] <csabo> i've been at tivoli monitoring all week
[03-Dec-2010 14:57:21] <csabo> im about to wipe the server for a 3rd time and start over
[03-Dec-2010 14:57:29] <rmatte> you have your chef server, and then anything running a chef client is a client
[03-Dec-2010 14:57:40] <csabo> i'm confused why you would have a client
[03-Dec-2010 14:57:50] <rmatte> so that it can communicate and perform tasks
[03-Dec-2010 14:57:55] <csabo> from what you said, theres a server that will script the app install/config
[03-Dec-2010 14:57:56] <rmatte> you manage everything from the server
[03-Dec-2010 14:58:01] <rmatte> and the server goes out and does stuff
[03-Dec-2010 14:58:05] <csabo> so you install the base OS on a box
[03-Dec-2010 14:58:08] <csabo> then the chef agent
[03-Dec-2010 14:58:11] <rmatte> yes
[03-Dec-2010 14:58:13] <csabo> alright
[03-Dec-2010 14:58:15] <rmatte> and then you go from there
[03-Dec-2010 14:58:20] <csabo> can you remotely deploy the agent
[03-Dec-2010 14:58:32] <rmatte> that would be simple enough to script
[03-Dec-2010 14:58:42] <csabo> hm, so no
[03-Dec-2010 14:58:44] <rmatte> though you could just use kickstart and have it install chef as part of the install
[03-Dec-2010 14:58:51] <csabo> is there a webgui to manage everything?
[03-Dec-2010 14:59:02] <csabo> ie, for creating cookbooks and moniotring the status..ect
[03-Dec-2010 14:59:05] <rmatte> I'm not sure if they've made a web gui yet or not
[03-Dec-2010 14:59:14] <mray1> csabo: not really yet
[03-Dec-2010 14:59:21] <mray1> csabo: it's a JSON API
[03-Dec-2010 14:59:31] <csabo> i see
[03-Dec-2010 14:59:32] <mray1> with a CLI tool called 'knife'
[03-Dec-2010 14:59:45] <csabo> is there a free version of this proudct
[03-Dec-2010 14:59:54] <mray1> csabo: it's free and open source
[03-Dec-2010 15:00:00] <csabo> somthing costs money
[03-Dec-2010 15:00:00] <mray1> apache licensed
[03-Dec-2010 15:00:04] <csabo> or you wouldnt be getting paid
[03-Dec-2010 15:00:13] <csabo> trickery at hand here
[03-Dec-2010 15:00:16] <mray1> csabo: if you choose to use the Opscode platform, that's not free
[03-Dec-2010 15:00:19] <rmatte> clearly you don't understand how an open source business model works
[03-Dec-2010 15:00:23] <mray1> but you can run your own server
[03-Dec-2010 15:00:30] <rmatte> people get paid to develop Firefox, but you don't pay a cent for it
[03-Dec-2010 15:00:59] <rmatte> generally open source companies make most of their money on support/training
[03-Dec-2010 15:01:08] <rmatte> and some get funding from companies
[03-Dec-2010 15:01:21] <mray1> Opscode makes their money offering Chef-Server as a services (a 'SAAS')
[03-Dec-2010 15:01:22] <csabo> im smart enough to know they sell somthing
[03-Dec-2010 15:01:33] <csabo> middleware ftw
[03-Dec-2010 15:01:35] <mray1> but Chef-Server is also free and open source
[03-Dec-2010 15:01:39] <csabo> gotcha
[03-Dec-2010 15:01:56] <mray1> most people realize it's cheaper to have us run the server (and more reliable)
[03-Dec-2010 15:02:08] <mray1> 1 less box to keep up
[03-Dec-2010 15:02:11] <csabo> what are you using for virtualization
[03-Dec-2010 15:02:25] * rmatte guesses Xen
[03-Dec-2010 15:02:26] <mray1> dedicated hardware colo'd
[03-Dec-2010 15:02:31] mray1 is now known as mray
[03-Dec-2010 15:02:31] <csabo> ...
[03-Dec-2010 15:02:31] <rmatte> ah
[03-Dec-2010 15:02:39] <csabo> you arent virtualizing anything?
[03-Dec-2010 15:02:48] <csabo> why
[03-Dec-2010 15:02:48] <mray> probably some stuff
[03-Dec-2010 15:03:07] <rmatte> probably cheaper in the long run to spin up a new dedicated box for each client in the long run
[03-Dec-2010 15:03:17] <rmatte> and I repeated myself on the long run part
[03-Dec-2010 15:03:19] <csabo> not to the client it isnt
[03-Dec-2010 15:03:19] <rmatte> 
[03-Dec-2010 15:03:19] <mray> rmatte: oh hell no, this isn't puppet
[03-Dec-2010 15:03:52] <rmatte> I'm saying from the stand point that you don't need to buy a lot of hardware to start off
[03-Dec-2010 15:04:05] <rmatte> you're not buying some really expensive blade, you're just buying servers as clients come on
[03-Dec-2010 15:04:07] <mray> we have a lot of users
[03-Dec-2010 15:04:13] <rmatte> it's not more cost effective at the end
[03-Dec-2010 15:04:16] <rmatte> but it is in the beginning
[03-Dec-2010 15:05:06] <rmatte> Hmmm, this is the first time where I have a Zenoss problem that I honestly think I'll never solve
[03-Dec-2010 15:05:19] <rmatte> has never happened before lol
[03-Dec-2010 15:06:51] <csabo> welcome to my world
[03-Dec-2010 15:07:18] <csabo> zenoss is my lifelong enemy now
[03-Dec-2010 15:07:19] <rmatte> Well, I've had some really really tough ass problems in the past, but I was always able to solve them
[03-Dec-2010 15:07:23] <rmatte> but this one is just crazy
[03-Dec-2010 15:07:43] <csabo> i STILL cant rdp into my zenoss box anymore after that upgrade to 303 lol
[03-Dec-2010 15:07:55] <csabo> that why cigibbons quit "upgrade it parabola it'll work fine"
[03-Dec-2010 15:07:57] <mray> csabo: you're gonna love Tivoli then 
[03-Dec-2010 15:08:05] <csabo> mray: dont remind me, i already do
[03-Dec-2010 15:08:13] <rmatte> the words "rdp" and "zenoss" don't belong together 
[03-Dec-2010 15:08:13] <csabo> mray: did you know Tivoli says "I lov it" backwards/
[03-Dec-2010 15:08:18] <csabo> erm
[03-Dec-2010 15:08:18] <csabo> ssh
[03-Dec-2010 15:08:23] <csabo> lol
[03-Dec-2010 15:08:23] <rmatte> 
[03-Dec-2010 15:08:52] <rmatte> yeh, mray made the comment that it should be called tietahi
[03-Dec-2010 15:08:58] <csabo> oh yeah
[03-Dec-2010 15:09:06] <mray> that was somebody else… cgibbons?
[03-Dec-2010 15:09:11] <csabo> might be
[03-Dec-2010 15:09:15] <rmatte> maybe Nick
[03-Dec-2010 15:09:26] <rmatte> could have been cgibbons
[03-Dec-2010 15:10:04] <csabo> it wasnt nick
[03-Dec-2010 15:10:06] <csabo> i've never seen him talk
[03-Dec-2010 15:10:12] <rmatte> lol
[03-Dec-2010 15:10:18] <rmatte> he talks once in a blue moon
[03-Dec-2010 15:10:26] <rmatte> definitely not as talkative as mray
[03-Dec-2010 15:10:31] <csabo> ffs, i broke tietahi
[03-Dec-2010 15:10:38] <rmatte> 
[03-Dec-2010 15:10:52] <csabo> so motorola is a sick bastard
[03-Dec-2010 15:11:05] <csabo> i was looking at replacing my BT heapdhones with the newest "version"
[03-Dec-2010 15:11:28] <csabo> so i did a side by side compare on their site, they listed the weight of the new pair in grams
[03-Dec-2010 15:11:33] <csabo> and the old one in Ounces
[03-Dec-2010 15:11:38] <rmatte> lol
[03-Dec-2010 15:11:42] <csabo> people are stupid enough to fall for it
[03-Dec-2010 15:11:45] <csabo> the new ones are twice as heavy
[03-Dec-2010 15:11:53] <csabo> The Tivoli Enterprise Portal client has been terminated because a server connection error has occurred.
[03-Dec-2010 15:12:02] <mray> next they'll start measuring in "stone"
[03-Dec-2010 15:12:06] <csabo> haha
[03-Dec-2010 15:12:21] <rmatte> haha
[03-Dec-2010 15:13:08] <nyeates> it was me
[03-Dec-2010 15:13:09] <nyeates> nick
[03-Dec-2010 15:13:12] <nyeates> tietahi
[03-Dec-2010 15:13:15] <csabo> no it wasnt
[03-Dec-2010 15:13:18] <csabo> dont lie, you dont speak
[03-Dec-2010 15:13:21] <csabo> wtf IBM was hiding a wiki !!!
[03-Dec-2010 15:13:21] <rmatte> and measuring battery time in hourglasses
[03-Dec-2010 15:13:22] <nyeates> i recall typing it heh
[03-Dec-2010 15:13:32] <csabo> lol ryan
[03-Dec-2010 15:13:37] <csabo> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/wikis/display/tivolimonitoring/Home
[03-Dec-2010 15:13:39] <csabo> i win!
[03-Dec-2010 15:14:11] <csabo> its a really bad "wiki"
[03-Dec-2010 15:14:14] <csabo> but still
[03-Dec-2010 15:14:25] <rmatte> better than nothing
[03-Dec-2010 15:14:29] <csabo> yup
[03-Dec-2010 15:14:46] <rmatte> speaking of which, I haven't checked to see if ossim has crashed and burned on me again yet
[03-Dec-2010 15:14:49] <csabo> oh nick
[03-Dec-2010 15:15:02] <csabo> you need to rename the event console to a "situation console"
[03-Dec-2010 15:15:08] <csabo> or "oppertunity console"
[03-Dec-2010 15:15:18] <csabo> since we have oppertunitys not problems
[03-Dec-2010 15:15:25] <rmatte> hmmm, it's actually performing surprisingly well
[03-Dec-2010 15:15:26] <nyeates> heh....dont tell marketing that
[03-Dec-2010 15:15:31] <mray> "crisitunity"
[03-Dec-2010 15:15:31] <csabo> haha
[03-Dec-2010 15:15:41] <csabo> mray gimmie an email for someone in marketing
[03-Dec-2010 15:15:53] <csabo> its my new goal to get it renamed to an oppertunity console
[03-Dec-2010 15:16:00] <mray> nyeates@zenoss.com 
[03-Dec-2010 15:16:05] <csabo> sweet
[03-Dec-2010 15:16:08] <csabo> he wont even see it coming,
[03-Dec-2010 15:16:14] <csabo> don't tell him it was me
[03-Dec-2010 15:16:25] <rmatte> I still like situation console
[03-Dec-2010 15:16:33] <csabo> i was trying to be positive
[03-Dec-2010 15:16:37] <rmatte> "SIR, WE HAVE A SITUATION HERE!"
[03-Dec-2010 15:16:38] <csabo> but yes, i have situations right now
[03-Dec-2010 15:16:40] <csabo> 4 actually
[03-Dec-2010 15:16:45] <rmatte> be all military-like
[03-Dec-2010 15:16:54] <rmatte> "CODE ORANGE!"
[03-Dec-2010 15:17:06] <nyeates> we are going to call service-oriented monitoring the zenoss impact manager
[03-Dec-2010 15:17:10] <nyeates> dont ask me on that one
[03-Dec-2010 15:17:14] <rmatte> "ROGER, BEGINNING TRIAGE!"
[03-Dec-2010 15:17:28] <rmatte> impact manager
[03-Dec-2010 15:17:37] <csabo> haha
[03-Dec-2010 15:17:54] <nyeates> yup ZIM
[03-Dec-2010 15:17:56] <rmatte> I'm still reeling from the fact that they consider "copy" and "override" to be interchangeable terms
[03-Dec-2010 15:17:57] <csabo> how about agent orange?
[03-Dec-2010 15:18:12] <nyeates> ZIM ZEC ZAR
[03-Dec-2010 15:18:19] <nyeates> but shh i didnt speak those secret code names
[03-Dec-2010 15:18:21] <rmatte> I'm going to rally until that button reads "Copy"
[03-Dec-2010 15:18:23] <rmatte> as it should
[03-Dec-2010 15:18:30] <csabo> <outburst>
[03-Dec-2010 15:18:32] <mray> rmatte: make a patch
[03-Dec-2010 15:18:36] <nyeates> i am with u there rmatte
[03-Dec-2010 15:18:38] <csabo> WHOS THE F'ING MAN!! ITM WORKS
[03-Dec-2010 15:18:41] <nyeates> seriously it neds to be copy
[03-Dec-2010 15:18:42] <mray> and socialize it
[03-Dec-2010 15:18:43] <csabo> </outburst>
[03-Dec-2010 15:18:55] <rmatte> mray: I would require the .psd used to generate that button
[03-Dec-2010 15:19:05] <mray> oh, it's an image?
[03-Dec-2010 15:19:08] <csabo> after the upgrade and reconfiguration, the agents display the right names now
[03-Dec-2010 15:19:08] <rmatte> yessir
[03-Dec-2010 15:19:10] <mray> you sure?
[03-Dec-2010 15:19:16] <rmatte> pretty positive
[03-Dec-2010 15:19:21] <mray> I thought that menu was text
[03-Dec-2010 15:19:28] <rmatte> I'll double check
[03-Dec-2010 15:19:39] <csabo> who wants my autograph
[03-Dec-2010 15:19:46] <rmatte> I'll pass
[03-Dec-2010 15:19:48] <rmatte> 
[03-Dec-2010 15:19:50] <csabo> im an ex-MLB player
[03-Dec-2010 15:19:55] <csabo> AND a tivoli master
[03-Dec-2010 15:19:59] <csabo> all in one
[03-Dec-2010 15:20:02] <rmatte> I'm not a baseball fan
[03-Dec-2010 15:20:07] <csabo> me either, horrid sport
[03-Dec-2010 15:20:11] <rmatte> if you were an ex-NHL player, then we'd have a deal
[03-Dec-2010 15:20:19] <csabo> stupid canadians
[03-Dec-2010 15:20:23] <rmatte> 
[03-Dec-2010 15:20:29] <nyeates> rmatte: in all seriousness, i think there may be a trac for that override -> copy thing... if not, it needs to be made and elevated... im willing to take a charge on that
[03-Dec-2010 15:20:30] <csabo> "hey look a frozen lake aye"
[03-Dec-2010 15:20:41] <csabo> "omg lets take sticks and smack some rubber around on it and fight"
[03-Dec-2010 15:20:45] <rmatte> nyeates: good, we shall be partners in war
[03-Dec-2010 15:21:14] <rmatte> actually, I was going to make a list including a couple of other bugs/regressions in template handling
[03-Dec-2010 15:21:20] <rmatte> but I got caught up on this graph issue
[03-Dec-2010 15:21:25] <rmatte> which I still haven't figured out
[03-Dec-2010 15:22:25] <csabo> shit
[03-Dec-2010 15:22:31] <csabo> rmatte: I have a critial situation
[03-Dec-2010 15:22:36] <nyeates> to tell the truth, i havent messed much with templates in 3.0.... ppl say its bad
[03-Dec-2010 15:22:41] <csabo> NT_Process_CPU_Critical .. that cant be good
[03-Dec-2010 15:22:45] <csabo> my workstation CPU is critical
[03-Dec-2010 15:22:52] <nyeates> when i did do some initial messing on it, i thought it was bettter than b4
[03-Dec-2010 15:22:57] <rmatte> nyeates: it's the only reason I haven't upgraded to 3.0 in production yet
[03-Dec-2010 15:23:18] <rmatte> nyeates: pretty much everything else in 3.0 is fine
[03-Dec-2010 15:23:19] <nyeates> u know that u can now tell which templates are components and which are device really easily
[03-Dec-2010 15:23:21] <nyeates> i liked that
[03-Dec-2010 15:23:39] <rmatte> yeh, there are some nice enhancements for sure
[03-Dec-2010 15:23:43] <nyeates> and u can view it in multiple organizational methods
[03-Dec-2010 15:23:50] <rmatte> yup
[03-Dec-2010 15:23:54] <rmatte> I really like those changes
[03-Dec-2010 15:24:02] <nyeates> ryan, lemme know if u get a list together, id like to understand the bad thigns
[03-Dec-2010 15:24:04] <rmatte> but the other stuff, like the way paths are displayed in the dropdown when copying
[03-Dec-2010 15:24:17] <rmatte> who the heck through that: "Cisco" in /Devices/Network
[03-Dec-2010 15:24:24] <rmatte> was better than /Devices/Network/Cisco
[03-Dec-2010 15:24:25] <rmatte> ?
[03-Dec-2010 15:24:25] <nyeates> if u do a list tho, throw some good things in there too so we dont get too depressed
[03-Dec-2010 15:24:36] <rmatte> and / becomes: "Devices" in "Devices"
[03-Dec-2010 15:24:41] <rmatte> it makes me cringe every time I use it
[03-Dec-2010 15:24:48] <rmatte> proper paths are essential
[03-Dec-2010 15:25:29] <nyeates> got a moment to show me?
[03-Dec-2010 15:27:29] <rmatte> the path thing?
[03-Dec-2010 15:27:49] <rmatte> (sorry for the delayed response, one of our engineers pinged me about something)
[03-Dec-2010 15:27:49] <nyeates> yeah the templates stuff
[03-Dec-2010 15:27:54] <rmatte> sure man
[03-Dec-2010 15:27:58] <nyeates> got skype?
[03-Dec-2010 15:28:04] <rmatte> I don't have it here
[03-Dec-2010 15:28:11] <rmatte> only at home
[03-Dec-2010 15:28:11] <nyeates> k hold, ill pm u
[03-Dec-2010 15:28:14] <rmatte> k
[03-Dec-2010 15:31:32] <csabo> man this ITM product is going to be endlessly configurable
[03-Dec-2010 15:33:39] <csabo> gui makes my brain hurt
[03-Dec-2010 15:52:40] <davetoo> speaking of middleware...
[03-Dec-2010 15:52:53] <davetoo> any zookeeper users here?
[03-Dec-2010 15:53:47] <Orv> Anyone watching services on a Groupwise server with Zenoss?
[03-Dec-2010 15:54:02] <davetoo> csabo: ITM?
[03-Dec-2010 15:54:38] <csabo> ibm tivoli monitoring
[03-Dec-2010 15:54:46] <csabo> rmatte: loves it
[03-Dec-2010 15:55:41] <davetoo> I don't know anything about Tivoli other than it's big and $spendy
[03-Dec-2010 15:55:46] <csabo> yeah
[03-Dec-2010 15:56:32] <tiredofme> can anyone explain the how zWinEventlogClause works?
[03-Dec-2010 15:57:14] <tiredofme> I'm guessing that I can use that to specify the events that I want to see?
[03-Dec-2010 16:19:51] * davetoo wonders if there's a known-stable rev of the trunk I could use to experiment with RelStorage
[03-Dec-2010 16:22:07] <rmatte> mray: you're right it is text
[03-Dec-2010 16:32:23] <davetoo> mray: did you make it to Kona Brewing Company?
[03-Dec-2010 16:32:40] <mray> davetoo: sadly no. We didn't make it to Kona
[03-Dec-2010 16:33:02] <mray> we were staying about 45 minutes away
[03-Dec-2010 16:33:06] <davetoo> You'll just have to go back 
[03-Dec-2010 16:33:29] <davetoo> I took a couple of drives up that way, am sure I've seen where you were staying
[03-Dec-2010 16:34:16] <mray> roger that
[03-Dec-2010 16:34:34] <mray> we were at the Mauna Lani
[03-Dec-2010 16:36:19] <davetoo> Isnt' the white coral/rock graffitti a trip?
[03-Dec-2010 16:41:11] <mray> yup
[03-Dec-2010 17:39:59] <nyeates> whoof - gettin cold outside here
[03-Dec-2010 17:40:55] <nyeates> anyone here use x-chat?
[03-Dec-2010 17:41:04] <davetoo> heh
[03-Dec-2010 17:41:14] <davetoo> it barely ever frosts here
[03-Dec-2010 17:41:38] <nyeates> trying to recall where here is for u
[03-Dec-2010 17:41:42] <Orv> nyeates: Not in years...
[03-Dec-2010 17:41:48] <davetoo> California.. Silly Valley
[03-Dec-2010 17:42:00] <Orv> davetoo: Silly Valley?  I'm in Slimy Valley
[03-Dec-2010 17:42:07] <davetoo> hahaha
[03-Dec-2010 17:42:18] <Orv> (Simi Valley)
[03-Dec-2010 17:42:21] <davetoo> Orv: I lived in T.O. for a couple of years, worked in Camarillo
[03-Dec-2010 17:42:23] <davetoo> I know...
[03-Dec-2010 17:42:28] <davetoo> did Red Cross work there after the 'quake
[03-Dec-2010 17:42:29] <nyeates> i just met with a VC that came from silicone valley last night....he is in dc now....and he said that he liked the lifestyle here in dc better
[03-Dec-2010 17:42:30] <Orv> davetoo: Where are you now?
[03-Dec-2010 17:42:35] <davetoo> Fremont, CA
[03-Dec-2010 17:42:42] <Orv> Cool.  Nice area
[03-Dec-2010 17:43:15] <davetoo> Took classes at Moorpark College
[03-Dec-2010 17:43:27] <Orv> Me, too, but just a few at night.
[03-Dec-2010 17:43:30] <davetoo> lived in Oxnard (Hueneme, really) for a couple of years
[03-Dec-2010 17:43:47] <Orv> Was just out there last weekend, touring around with my brother, who was out visiting.
[03-Dec-2010 17:43:48] <davetoo> (I grew up in Santa Barbara county)
[03-Dec-2010 17:43:56] <Orv> We went to the Murphy Auto Museum.  That was cool.
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:08] <nyeates> dave...sorry....a few months back, i pissed in yer drinkng water
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:09] <davetoo> I.. don't remember where that is
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:10] <nyeates> quite literally
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:15] <davetoo> hah
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:19] <nyeates> i was in yosemite valley
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:20] <davetoo> I dont'
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:22] <nyeates> high country
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:24] <nyeates> backpacking
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:25] <davetoo> oh
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:37] <nyeates> actually i was more around tuolumne
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:42] <davetoo> I actually have a map somewhere of where mine..
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:46] <Orv> davetoo:  http://www.murphyautomuseum.org/
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:52] <davetoo> well, yeah, that's more likely to be where mine comes from
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:53] <Orv> South Oxnard
[03-Dec-2010 17:44:54] <davetoo> Hetch Hetchy
[03-Dec-2010 17:45:23] <davetoo> I think Hetch Hetchy is fed by the Tuolmne
[03-Dec-2010 17:46:03] <nyeates> yeah i saw that from the top of a mt hoffman
[03-Dec-2010 17:46:30] <nyeates> there were fires in hetch hetchy when i was there
[03-Dec-2010 17:46:33] <davetoo> Orv: what kind of place you working at?
[03-Dec-2010 17:50:54] <davetoo> I want to find a sufficiently-stable rev of trunk to do a P.O.C. with RelStorage
[03-Dec-2010 17:53:00] <Orv> davetoo: At a hospital in Glendale.  But it ends at the end of the month :-/
[03-Dec-2010 17:53:09] * Orv is job-hunting
[03-Dec-2010 17:53:27] <davetoo> you know EC2?
[03-Dec-2010 17:53:35] <Orv> No, sorry.
[03-Dec-2010 17:53:44] <Orv> I could learn...  ;-)
[03-Dec-2010 17:54:05] <davetoo> I'm not hiring ... was goign to show you an opp up in Santa Barbara
[03-Dec-2010 17:54:25] <Orv> Thanks.  But that's a REALLY tough commute from Simi Valley.
[03-Dec-2010 17:54:32] <Orv> I'm not currently able to relocate.
[03-Dec-2010 17:54:39] <Orv> So I'm shopping locally.
[03-Dec-2010 17:54:44] <davetoo> *nod*
[03-Dec-2010 17:55:47] <Orv>  So, what's up next for Zenoss?  3.0.4, or ??
[03-Dec-2010 17:55:49] <Orv> And when?
[03-Dec-2010 17:55:56] * Orv has been distracted lately
[03-Dec-2010 17:58:23] <davetoo> The next release codename is Avalon; I'm guessing that will be 3.1. Due in January but who knows if there will be more point releases before then
[03-Dec-2010 17:59:08] <Orv> OK.
[03-Dec-2010 18:10:55] <nyeates> there likely will not be point releases
[03-Dec-2010 18:11:05] <nyeates> avalon is lkely nexxt
[03-Dec-2010 18:11:18] <nyeates> and it probably wont be 3.1
[03-Dec-2010 18:11:26] <nyeates> we are in debate about that now
[03-Dec-2010 18:11:31] <davetoo> yeah, lot of changes.
[03-Dec-2010 18:11:39] <davetoo> Will the new Events system be in Avalon?
[03-Dec-2010 18:11:41] <nyeates> its a large upgrade and change in core aspects
[03-Dec-2010 18:11:54] <nyeates> i think they are aiming for it to be
[03-Dec-2010 18:12:01] <davetoo> interesting
[03-Dec-2010 18:12:43] <davetoo> That's all stuff that would be really useful for this customer project...
[03-Dec-2010 18:12:46] <Orv> nyeates: Hopefully there'll be a clean upgrade path from 3.0.x??
[03-Dec-2010 18:12:57] <davetoo> which I have to start building next week 
[03-Dec-2010 18:13:00] <nyeates> what u mean by clean?
[03-Dec-2010 18:13:40] <Orv> Few or zero intermediate steps, I guess.
[03-Dec-2010 18:13:47] <davetoo> oh,
[03-Dec-2010 18:13:49] <davetoo> no chance
[03-Dec-2010 18:14:02] <nyeates> there will for sure be upgrade scripts from 3.0.x.... its looking like u wont be able to upgrade to avalon from 2.x
[03-Dec-2010 18:14:21] <Orv> Hmmm...
[03-Dec-2010 18:14:27] <davetoo> for one thing the object storage (Data.fs) is moving to an opaque MySQL database
[03-Dec-2010 18:14:38] <Orv> Oh, yeah, that's right.
[03-Dec-2010 18:14:53] <davetoo> Hopefully that works well and quickly...
[03-Dec-2010 18:14:53] <nyeates> it kinda is tough for us....because we know that a good chunk of ppl didnt go to  3.0 cause its too new...and now its almost like we are releasing a 4.0
[03-Dec-2010 18:15:14] <nyeates> our devs really kicked some ass over the last 6 months on avalon....its amazing stuff
[03-Dec-2010 18:15:26] <davetoo> nyeates: is there much change in the UI?
[03-Dec-2010 18:15:34] <davetoo> yeah, I noticed that,
[03-Dec-2010 18:15:41] <davetoo> and many new names on the svn commits.
[03-Dec-2010 18:16:14] <nyeates> yes we hired a lot of new devs
[03-Dec-2010 18:16:28] <nyeates> some gone alreeady, most of them are great tho
[03-Dec-2010 18:16:38] <nyeates> so UI in avalon...
[03-Dec-2010 18:16:43] <davetoo> but you're doing the crucial stuff to make Zenoss scalable
[03-Dec-2010 18:17:11] <Orv> davetoo: Yeah, THAT's really important.
[03-Dec-2010 18:17:14] <nyeates> msot of the UI changes have come and gone....im admitedly still getting used to them...but i do not think there will be any substantial UI changes
[03-Dec-2010 18:17:20] <davetoo> ok
[03-Dec-2010 18:17:53] <davetoo> well I think the changes in the Events system will make it easier to hook in our own processors
[03-Dec-2010 18:18:17] <nyeates> in Enterprise, there is a UI change but its a completely new feature set, so its more of a UI add...we are adding a 'Service' Main menu item at the top, which has its own new set of UI stuff
[03-Dec-2010 18:18:30] <davetoo> Dynamic Service stuff
[03-Dec-2010 18:18:49] <nyeates> yeah service oriented monitoring, device dependancy
[03-Dec-2010 18:19:06] <davetoo> AFAICT more than just device dependency.. service dependencies also
[03-Dec-2010 18:19:23] <davetoo> Just give Egor a month and he'll have a Core zenpack for that 
[03-Dec-2010 18:19:37] <Orv> :-)
[03-Dec-2010 18:19:49] <nyeates> u can say like....i could care less about this server and that server and this db and that app....but as a whole...our business cares about the Email service, and u can then define the email servce to contain those 4 servers, those 3 db's, and those 2 app's
[03-Dec-2010 18:20:05] <davetoo> exactly
[03-Dec-2010 18:20:06] <nyeates> hah on the egor comment
[03-Dec-2010 18:20:45] <davetoo> and for Zenoss to be useful in modern distributed, fault-tolerant, cloud-y environments you definitely need that
[03-Dec-2010 18:20:55] <nyeates> there is an amazing visualization platform behind the service stuff, so its really pretty, lines linking to each components of the service that u define
[03-Dec-2010 18:21:16] <nyeates> and u can define and setup the relationships...and it effects how events work and how stuff effectrs each other
[03-Dec-2010 18:22:00] <nyeates> the amazingly awesome features lke this tho go straight to enterprise understandably :-) i really think it will be a hot thing for ppl to buy once they understand what it does for them
[03-Dec-2010 18:22:49] <davetoo> What will be Hot is when that (directed) graph can be built programmatically/autodiscovered
[03-Dec-2010 18:24:21] <nyeates> ive thought about that and so have a lot of ppl at zenoss inc.....its VERY VERY hard to do....would require very good AI i think.....its like giving a machine your lasagna dish and asking it to shoot back the ingrediants
[03-Dec-2010 18:25:00] <davetoo> yes,
[03-Dec-2010 18:25:27] <davetoo> what you really need is for the tools that deploy your app to know how to add them to Zenoss
[03-Dec-2010 18:26:35] <nyeates> what machines can do, is look at the lasagna, gets the 5 main ingrediants, look at commonly used recipes - provide you with the building blocks....and then u specify from there
[03-Dec-2010 18:48:23] <Sam-I-Am> gotta love explaining to your vendor's tech support how their stuff works
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[03-Dec-2010 19:44:58] <davetoo> hahah
[03-Dec-2010 19:45:03] <davetoo> yeah
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[04-Dec-2010 08:31:01] <forsberg> hmmm ericenns awake ? 
[04-Dec-2010 09:08:47] <forsberg> hmmmz anyone using docs/DOC-10225 ? cant get it to graph, very strange
[04-Dec-2010 11:50:13] <smw> can someone help me? I am new to zenoss. I setup an http monitor on a test EC2 instance. I setup http monitor when I know that httpd is not running. However, I am not getting any errors
[04-Dec-2010 12:07:07] <smw> nm, I solved the problem
[04-Dec-2010 13:19:34] <voxter1> Hey guys, im sure most of you arent around on the weekend, but im curious - I was about to write a simple event correlation system that allowed me to install agents on machines and have them push arbitrary events into a management system. Is this something that Zenoss provides the ability to do already?
[04-Dec-2010 13:42:33] <Parabola> zenoss is agentless
[04-Dec-2010 13:43:25] <Simon4> voxter1: your agents could a) raise snmp traps to zenoss, or b) fire a piece of json at the zenoss server to raise events that zenoss would then aggregate / tag to the relevant device
[04-Dec-2010 13:43:39] <Simon4> but as Parabola said, zenoss doesn't have agents by default, you would need to provide that bit
[04-Dec-2010 13:44:59] <voxter1> Well, im looking to correlate arbitrary data. in my case, registration and state data about SIP phones - so I would have to write my own data collector for sure. I'm curious however if the construct exists in zenoss to use it as an arbitrary data aggregator/grapher, if i am able to write my own collector to collect the necessary data, and potentially some sort of reporting agent that would push it back to zenoss core
[04-Dec-2010 13:45:22] <voxter1> If i were to write my own event engine id have to do that on my own anyways, but if the server side piece is in place already, thats one less thing to write.
[04-Dec-2010 13:46:25] <Simon4> so the event aggregation is definitely there, and you can very easily get zenoss to run a command on a remote server (via ssh or similar) to fetch arbitary performance metrics and then provide an interface to graph them
[04-Dec-2010 13:46:59] <voxter1> Simon4:  ok. I'm specifically interested in pushing data TO a correlator, rather than making zenoss request it
[04-Dec-2010 13:47:14] <voxter1> Simon4:  but im sure thats just a small detail.
[04-Dec-2010 13:48:03] <voxter1> Simon4:  I guess what I need to know is, can i create a device or node of some type in zenoss, and build arbitrary data value types that i can populate. for instance, can i build a device type I call 'clientXYZ' and then push arbitrary data like 'phone 100' status: online
[04-Dec-2010 13:48:26] <voxter1> and update/track each item as a known entity in zenoss on my own?
[04-Dec-2010 13:49:31] <voxter1> I realize i may be asking a confusing question, ive just got a bunch of data that may simply be an event that i want to do something with and i either need to write an event bus system on my own that sits beside zenoss, or incorporate the two, and im looking for what you might consider a "best practice debate" answer on wether i should be considering zenoss for the job, or just step aside it.
[04-Dec-2010 13:49:50] <Simon4> so there's a couple of ways to so online/offline status.. one way is to just have your "agent" raise a "clear" event when it sees the phone online, and an "error" event when it's not
[04-Dec-2010 13:50:09] <Simon4> that'll get zenoss to at least alert when phones go down, and tell you when they come back etc
[04-Dec-2010 13:50:16] <Simon4> so very simple to leverage the event system
[04-Dec-2010 13:50:56] <Simon4> you can then get far more complex, and define custom "device" types in zenoss via zenpacks, so custom components, dynamically modelled types etc but that's a far deeper rabbit hole that requires some python knowledge and a bunch of time and effort 
[04-Dec-2010 13:51:23] <voxter1> Sure. That makes sense.  It was one example of the type of data i might be interested in, but not necessarily the only data type.  Specifically speaking to an event correlation system, like the way snmp traps work, I need to make sure that i can use particular hooks to keep track of things like state, but also sometimes i just want to say "I have a piece of information that the client considers critical. ITs just text, and i just want to tell you about it" or
[04-Dec-2010 13:52:05] <Simon4> if you have a zenoss install running, check out $ZENHOME/bin/zensendevent - it's a tiny snippet of python that does exactly what you want
[04-Dec-2010 13:52:49] <voxter1> not having a recent zenoss installation, and coming back towards the 'everything needs to be monitored' mantra, I'm just conceptualizing the components that are important to us in a monitoring system, and trying to determine if i can get away with (or if its smart to try) using just zenoss, or a combination of tools
[04-Dec-2010 13:53:07] <voxter1> I will definitely have some combination, its just a matter of on what fronts.
[04-Dec-2010 13:53:11] <Simon4> one of the cool features of the zenoss event system is you can just keep sending "clear" events if you wish, and zenoss dedupilicates them so you don't fill a db - we have "agent" toys that are run by cron that send clears every time unless somehting's wrong
[04-Dec-2010 13:53:37] <voxter1> For example, I dont think zenoss can touch what smokeping can provide me, today, or another specific piece of software that we use on our network to analyze RTP data and measure MoS scores (and i wouldnt expect it to, thats not its job)
[04-Dec-2010 13:54:01] <voxter1> Simon4:  ah, precisely. - thats a very good point.  The lack of a 'im ok' means something.
[04-Dec-2010 13:54:57] <voxter1> Simon4:  which is something im looking at doing of course since id rather not have zenoss go and probe for everything. sometimes it absolutely makes sense to have devices 'report in' and if you're doing it that way, the only way to know that something isnt right, is to know that 'that device hasnt checked in in <x> timeframe, raise an alarm'
[04-Dec-2010 13:56:24] <Simon4> that's a bit trickier to do with zenoss, because of it's polling nature... there should be a way to do it though
[04-Dec-2010 13:56:37] <voxter1> im sure it'll be a combination
[04-Dec-2010 13:56:51] <voxter1> I havent used zenoss now since the new v3 UI was in alpha/beta
[04-Dec-2010 13:57:07] <voxter1> I used the first few alpha/betas, how has it been since its gone mainstream? well received?
[04-Dec-2010 13:57:21] <voxter1> the UI improvements alone were a huge leap forward in my opinion
[04-Dec-2010 13:57:32] <Simon4> yeah - I'm still on 2.5 for various reasons, but the 3.0 UI is definitely a great improvement
[04-Dec-2010 13:58:34] <voxter1> I saw a bunch of virtualization zenpack stuff got updated recently. I know there's been a significant focus on vmware, do you know if xen has gotten any attention?
[04-Dec-2010 13:59:25] <Simon4> not sure sorry, I haven't been looking.
[04-Dec-2010 13:59:40] <voxter1> no problem.
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[04-Dec-2010 14:46:29] <forsberg> anyone awake who use the ZenPacks.community.VMwareESXiMonitor-1.2.egg ?
[04-Dec-2010 15:06:16] <sergeymasushko> hi 2 all. weired situation when I try to follow a link from an alert email I see error message: Error parsing json response: null. instead of login screen. if I login first before clicking on the link all is ok. Is there a fix?
[04-Dec-2010 15:07:39] <Simon4> sergeymasushko: that's not one I've heard of in here, maybe check the forums?
[04-Dec-2010 15:08:10] <sergeymasushko> I found 1 post with the same question without a resolution 
[04-Dec-2010 15:08:27] <Simon4> doh :/
[04-Dec-2010 15:08:43] <sergeymasushko> Simon4: can you reproduce it?
[04-Dec-2010 15:08:55] <Simon4> I'm not running 3.0, so most likely not
[04-Dec-2010 15:09:05] <sergeymasushko> heh..
[04-Dec-2010 15:09:20] <sergeymasushko> I'm running 3.0.2
[04-Dec-2010 15:09:38] <Simon4> you could see if 3.0.3 fixes it? I know it had a bunch of bugfixes
[04-Dec-2010 15:09:48] <Simon4> it's a minor upgrade anyway and recommended
[04-Dec-2010 15:11:45] <sergeymasushko> Simon4: even minor upgrade is a headache for us. we're running zenoss on Freebsd, so we need to install it from source...
[04-Dec-2010 15:12:01] <Simon4> ahh
[04-Dec-2010 15:12:35] <sergeymasushko> anyway thanks for the point will check the tickets. maybe there is a patch...
[04-Dec-2010 15:12:50] <Simon4> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7243
[04-Dec-2010 15:12:53] <Simon4> is it that?
[04-Dec-2010 15:13:43] <sergeymasushko> Simon4: yes
[04-Dec-2010 15:14:00] <Simon4> 
[04-Dec-2010 15:14:27] <sergeymasushko> Simon4: thanks a lot 
[04-Dec-2010 15:19:01] <Simon4> no worries
[04-Dec-2010 15:27:53] <forsberg> 
[04-Dec-2010 15:29:55] <sergeymasushko> it works!
[04-Dec-2010 16:00:13] <sergeymasushko> one more thing I noticed a lot of errors in the zenhub.log like: uncatalogObject unsuccessfully attempted to uncatalog an object with a uid of .... someone knows about it? what does it mean? is it safe to ignore?
[04-Dec-2010 16:22:36] <Simon4> sergeymasushko: I get that on modelling a bit, I've always just ignored it
[04-Dec-2010 16:22:51] <Simon4> it doesn't seem to break anything (that I can tell  )
[04-Dec-2010 16:24:02] <sergeymasushko> just I see hartbeats events belongs to zencommand daemon and trying to investigate it...
[04-Dec-2010 16:24:24] <Simon4> heartbeat errors are unrelated to that
[04-Dec-2010 16:24:49] <sergeymasushko> I see
[04-Dec-2010 16:24:53] <Simon4> have a look in zencommand.log - see if it's not finishing in it's cycle time (generally 5 minutes)
[04-Dec-2010 16:26:25] <sergeymasushko> I do not see there something weird...
[04-Dec-2010 19:51:04] <davetoo> sqlalchemy??
[04-Dec-2010 19:51:34] <davetoo> man there are some huge changes going on
[04-Dec-2010 20:00:13] <davetoo> ah, oubiwann rises again
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[05-Dec-2010 18:01:04] <wobblyonions> Hi all
[05-Dec-2010 18:01:12] <wobblyonions> anyone here any good with Zenoss reports at all?
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[05-Dec-2010 19:39:30] <wobblyonions> anyone know where the config for the events database is located?
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[06-Dec-2010 03:44:44] <forsberg> ericenns you here mate?
[06-Dec-2010 03:44:57] <forsberg> ah pittsburg, guess its another 8 hours then ;>
[06-Dec-2010 04:04:51] <Weetos> I'm trying to call the dmd.Networks.findIp(ip) method through a REST Call, but zenoss won't return a device name, instead it returns the network the requested IP belongs to
[06-Dec-2010 04:05:30] <Weetos> in a transform, this method return a device name, which is what I want
[06-Dec-2010 04:06:29] <Weetos> I'm using this url : http://zenoss/zport/dmd/Networks/findIP?ip=172.16.10.34
[06-Dec-2010 04:06:48] <Weetos> and zenoss returns this : "172.16.10.34/29"
[06-Dec-2010 04:09:21] <Weetos> is there a way to get the same behaviour as 'dmd.Networks.findIp(ip)' when used in a transform ? it returns an object, that you can use to get the name of the device the IP belongs to
[06-Dec-2010 04:24:57] <Simon4> Weetos: there should be
[06-Dec-2010 04:25:12] <Weetos> Hi Simon4
[06-Dec-2010 04:25:23] <Simon4> heya
[06-Dec-2010 04:26:16] <Simon4> >>> dmd.Devices.findDevice('172.23.59.25')
[06-Dec-2010 04:26:16] <Simon4> <Device at /zport/dmd/Devices/Server/devices/foo.baa.local>
[06-Dec-2010 04:26:19] <Simon4> 
[06-Dec-2010 04:28:21] * Simon4 heads towards the office
[06-Dec-2010 04:28:39] <Weetos> yep I tried that, but it doesn't seem to work in REST Call
[06-Dec-2010 04:28:59] <Weetos> zport/dmd/Devices/findDevice?ip=172.16.10.34 returns an error
[06-Dec-2010 04:31:25] * Simon4 has a look
[06-Dec-2010 04:34:54] <Simon4> it may be that it's not ip= ?
[06-Dec-2010 04:40:11] <Simon4> ZenModel/DeviceClass.py:    def findDevicePath(self, devicename):
[06-Dec-2010 04:40:11] <Simon4> ZenModel/DeviceClass.py:    def findDevice(self, devicename):
[06-Dec-2010 04:40:11] <Simon4> ZenModel/DeviceClass.py:    def findDeviceByIdOrIp(self, devicename):
[06-Dec-2010 04:40:11] <Simon4> ZenModel/DeviceClass.py:    def findDeviceByIdExact(self, devicename):
[06-Dec-2010 04:40:12] <Simon4> ZenModel/DeviceClass.py:    def findDevicePingStatus(self, devicename):
[06-Dec-2010 04:40:27] <Simon4> they could all be worth looking at, and it looks like it's findDevice?devicename=1.2.3.4
[06-Dec-2010 04:40:55] <Simon4> and with that, *gone*
[06-Dec-2010 06:59:54] <kokey> is there somewhere i can check the logs of when it attempts to send email out?
[06-Dec-2010 07:00:08] <kokey> my smtp server is a different box i can't watch
[06-Dec-2010 07:00:28] <Simon4> possibly zenactions.log?
[06-Dec-2010 07:00:39] <Simon4> you might need to restart zenactions with a higher log level
[06-Dec-2010 07:02:02] <kokey> ah, ok
[06-Dec-2010 07:02:28] <kokey> i'll just tcpdump port 25 for now and see if anything happens when the next alert comes in
[06-Dec-2010 07:03:38] <kokey> ah ok seems like i missed something
[06-Dec-2010 07:03:42] <kokey> cool, the switching to debug optio
[06-Dec-2010 07:03:43] <kokey> n
[06-Dec-2010 07:21:26] <forsberg> i need help with the ipservice, the smtp one specifically, it says expect regex 220, but i dont get an error even tho i get 550 5.7.1 relaying denied
[06-Dec-2010 07:21:31] <forsberg> anyone who have experience with this?
[06-Dec-2010 07:23:34] <Weetos> forsberg> 220 code is sent at the beginning (connection OK) however 550 is sent later when the recipient (rcpt to:) is not allowed for relaying
[06-Dec-2010 07:23:46] <forsberg> no
[06-Dec-2010 07:24:14] <forsberg> thats not entirely true, this server is actually ment to not relay, and allow me to spam:
[06-Dec-2010 07:24:15] <forsberg> [root@mon03 log]# telnet ec1-route1.net.comendo.com 25
[06-Dec-2010 07:24:15] <forsberg> Trying 195.242.120.141...
[06-Dec-2010 07:24:15] <forsberg> Connected to ec1-route1.net.comendo.com.
[06-Dec-2010 07:24:15] <forsberg> Escape character is '^]'.
[06-Dec-2010 07:24:36] <forsberg> thats from the zenoss box
[06-Dec-2010 07:25:08] <forsberg> I also have a telnet: connect to address 89.104.216.72: Connection refused, that one doesnt report error either
[06-Dec-2010 07:25:29] <forsberg> the ip services smtp just sits there green and nice
[06-Dec-2010 07:25:32] <forsberg> dont understand
[06-Dec-2010 07:25:46] <Weetos> hmmm I don't see any code in what you pasted
[06-Dec-2010 07:25:52] <forsberg> excactly
[06-Dec-2010 07:26:07] <forsberg> so if it fails on not finding the regex 220 it should fail?!
[06-Dec-2010 07:26:16] <Weetos> should be "220 blahblah" after "Escape character is..."
[06-Dec-2010 07:26:21] <forsberg> excactly
[06-Dec-2010 07:26:46] <Weetos> well you're right, you should have an alert
[06-Dec-2010 07:28:13] <forsberg> have no idea where to troubleshoot
[06-Dec-2010 07:29:22] <Weetos> I guess you can inspect zenoss' logs as a start
[06-Dec-2010 07:32:03] <forsberg> yeah, im not sure what log file should say anything specific about this tho, and since this actually have been going on for months i havent seen anything about it
[06-Dec-2010 07:33:01] <Weetos> but does your STMP server works as expected ?
[06-Dec-2010 07:34:32] <forsberg> yes
[06-Dec-2010 07:34:47] <forsberg> smtp is not my problem 
[06-Dec-2010 07:35:33] <forsberg> this ONLY regards the ip service monitoring in zenoss, one of my servers went bananza, and reject connections on port 25
[06-Dec-2010 07:35:42] <Weetos> Well it seems there's a problem though, you can't telnet it from your zenoss box on port 25, is there any firewall inbetween ?
[06-Dec-2010 07:36:20] <forsberg> i got the alarm due to a queue threshold, so everything is fine, but i started wondering why i did not get alarm on the port 25 thing, and i notice this that actually they should all have failed all along, since even the ones workign does not send 220
[06-Dec-2010 07:36:29] <forsberg> i can telnet
[06-Dec-2010 07:37:29] <Weetos> you can telnet , but how come you won't get any 220 code ? this is required by RFC
[06-Dec-2010 07:37:52] <forsberg> http://paste.tyk.nu/index.php?id=20101206133743_39955
[06-Dec-2010 07:38:03] <forsberg> no its not, and its totally beside the point
[06-Dec-2010 07:38:10] <forsberg> 
[06-Dec-2010 07:38:19] <kokey> heh i figured out my smtp issue
[06-Dec-2010 07:38:32] <kokey> nothing wrong with it
[06-Dec-2010 07:38:36] <forsberg> we have a node/router setup, and our routers ONLY needs to accept connections from the nodes,
[06-Dec-2010 07:38:43] <Weetos> I meant you should have at least a code 
[06-Dec-2010 07:38:43] <kokey> my alerting rule was set to only send emails for systems in a test state
[06-Dec-2010 07:38:49] <Weetos> and I see you got one
[06-Dec-2010 07:38:54] <forsberg> yes i get code 554
[06-Dec-2010 07:38:57] <forsberg> that is NOT 220
[06-Dec-2010 07:38:58] <forsberg> 
[06-Dec-2010 07:39:08] <Weetos> ok ok
[06-Dec-2010 07:39:10] <Weetos> I see now
[06-Dec-2010 07:39:27] <forsberg> and the problem is that i have a bunch of servers all with port 25 up, but all should be fail in zenoss, cause none of them sends 220
[06-Dec-2010 07:39:27] <Weetos> just took me a while to understand
[06-Dec-2010 07:39:36] <Weetos> exactly
[06-Dec-2010 07:39:54] <forsberg> yeah ok sorry :> english is not my native, and the setup might not be standard
[06-Dec-2010 07:40:11] <Weetos> no problem
[06-Dec-2010 07:40:48] <Weetos> It looks like zenoss just check if TCP25 is open and won't do the regex 220
[06-Dec-2010 07:41:29] <forsberg> yeah
[06-Dec-2010 07:41:45] <forsberg> well tbh i dont trust it does anything.....
[06-Dec-2010 07:41:50] <forsberg> right now
[06-Dec-2010 07:41:51] <forsberg> hehe
[06-Dec-2010 07:41:51] <forsberg> 
[06-Dec-2010 07:41:57] <Weetos> that's misleading, I always thought I did 
[06-Dec-2010 07:42:22] * Weetos now worries about the status of his SMTP servers
[06-Dec-2010 07:42:25] <Weetos> 
[06-Dec-2010 07:42:26] <forsberg> well obviously only regarding this matter
[06-Dec-2010 07:42:27] <forsberg> hehe
[06-Dec-2010 07:43:05] <forsberg> im about to extensify our monitoring in that area, but the very most basic one totally fails me
[06-Dec-2010 07:43:11] <forsberg> need to get this sorted out before i can continue
[06-Dec-2010 07:43:26] <Weetos> yeah I understannd you concerns
[06-Dec-2010 08:09:52] <csabo> good monring
[06-Dec-2010 08:14:46] <ericenns> forsberg: here now
[06-Dec-2010 08:23:08] <forsberg> nice! 
[06-Dec-2010 08:24:09] <forsberg> eric, ive tried the ZenPacks.community.VMwareESXiMonitor-1.2.egg.zip during the weekend
[06-Dec-2010 08:24:25] <forsberg> but i cannot get it to work at all, only tab that seems to get populated is the guest tab
[06-Dec-2010 08:24:49] <forsberg> on zenoss 2.5.2 and did all the dependencies
[06-Dec-2010 08:25:31] <forsberg> and i was hoping you could maybe help troubleshoot it abit
[06-Dec-2010 08:53:30] <kokey> argh
[06-Dec-2010 08:53:49] <kokey> seems like getting this zope thing to be proxied from apache is not straightforward
[06-Dec-2010 08:55:52] <Simon4> we do something like this to get apache doing ssl
[06-Dec-2010 08:55:53] <Simon4> http://pastie.org/1352108
[06-Dec-2010 08:56:38] <kokey> ah i got mine to work
[06-Dec-2010 08:57:05] <kokey> argh stupid company proxy things pastie.org is a spyware site
[06-Dec-2010 08:57:43] <kokey> anyway i used a rewriterule pointing to a /VirtualHostBase/
[06-Dec-2010 08:58:06] <kokey> now i just need to figure out where to change the url included in emails
[06-Dec-2010 08:59:27] <csabo> its not hard to change
[06-Dec-2010 08:59:33] <csabo> i dont remember how i did it, but i changed mine
[06-Dec-2010 08:59:39] <csabo> and im retarded
[06-Dec-2010 09:00:34] <Simon4> kokey: zenactions.conf 
[06-Dec-2010 09:00:48] <Simon4> zopeurl is the thing to change
[06-Dec-2010 09:01:06] <csabo> Simon is my bus driver
[06-Dec-2010 09:01:14] <csabo> he stops me from licking windows
[06-Dec-2010 09:01:23] <Simon4> please keep hands and feet inside the bus
[06-Dec-2010 09:02:27] <csabo> timmah
[06-Dec-2010 09:02:42] <kokey> ah, cool, done that, restarting zopeactions
[06-Dec-2010 09:05:00] <kokey> urgh
[06-Dec-2010 09:05:11] <kokey> i have this process i monitored for a while
[06-Dec-2010 09:05:20] <kokey> but we don't want to any more really since it's a test setup
[06-Dec-2010 09:05:30] <kokey> i disabled the monitoring for it, but  still got alerts
[06-Dec-2010 09:05:40] <kokey> i even went as far as removing that os process check
[06-Dec-2010 09:05:43] <kokey> and remodelled
[06-Dec-2010 09:05:56] <kokey> and restarted zenperfsnmp
[06-Dec-2010 09:06:02] <kokey> and i am still getting alerts for this process
[06-Dec-2010 09:06:50] <Simon4> restart zenprocess
[06-Dec-2010 09:06:57] <Simon4> it's what does the checking
[06-Dec-2010 09:07:10] <kokey> aha
[06-Dec-2010 09:07:16] <kokey> cool, lemme try that
[06-Dec-2010 09:07:27] <kokey> i suspect that should do the trick
[06-Dec-2010 10:06:16] <rmatte> I always restart zenprocess after changing anything to do with processes
[06-Dec-2010 10:06:29] <rmatte> it's pretty flaky
[06-Dec-2010 10:06:40] <rmatte> once it's restarted it works fine though
[06-Dec-2010 10:09:23] <ericenns> hey rmatte have you tried my ESXi zenpack yet?
[06-Dec-2010 10:10:59] <rmatte> not yet, been meaning to, just keep getting more stuff piled on me, I'll install it right now and give it a shot...
[06-Dec-2010 10:11:18] <rmatte> can I point it to my vSphere server, or does it have to be pointed to each Zenoss server individually?
[06-Dec-2010 10:11:21] <ericenns> ok just wondering how it worked in 2.5
[06-Dec-2010 10:11:38] <rmatte> I'll try it out and fix any problems that I come across
[06-Dec-2010 10:11:42] <ericenns> I am not sure
[06-Dec-2010 10:12:28] <ericenns> I don't think it would work right now with the VSphere server
[06-Dec-2010 10:12:35] <rmatte> k
[06-Dec-2010 10:13:14] <ericenns> yup forsberg has been trying to get it to work in 2.5 but for some reason the rrd's are not being generated or gathered
[06-Dec-2010 10:13:36] <rmatte> k, I'll have a look
[06-Dec-2010 10:13:43] <ericenns> I plan on trying to test it out at home tonight when I setup a new ESXi server
[06-Dec-2010 10:16:46] <rmatte> cool
[06-Dec-2010 10:25:48] <rmatte> ericenns: /Server/Virtual Machine Host is the class you used?
[06-Dec-2010 10:26:08] <ericenns> correct while ESXi under that
[06-Dec-2010 10:26:15] <rmatte> k cool
[06-Dec-2010 10:29:22] <csabo> sup mray
[06-Dec-2010 10:29:26] <rmatte> well, so far it screws up zProperties in 2.5
[06-Dec-2010 10:29:34] <rmatte> I get a traceback when I go to view the zProperties page
[06-Dec-2010 10:29:39] <rmatte>     *
[06-Dec-2010 10:29:40] <rmatte> AttributeError: zVsphereMonitorIgnore
[06-Dec-2010 10:29:57] <ericenns> oh really hmm other user didn't have that problem
[06-Dec-2010 10:30:12] <rmatte> other 2.5 users?
[06-Dec-2010 10:30:17] <ericenns> yes
[06-Dec-2010 10:30:21] <rmatte> hmmm
[06-Dec-2010 10:30:39] <mray> morning all
[06-Dec-2010 10:30:46] <rmatte> morning
[06-Dec-2010 10:31:01] <csabo> morning
[06-Dec-2010 10:31:14] <Simon4> rmatte: restarted? (have to ask  )
[06-Dec-2010 10:32:25] <rmatte> yes, I did
[06-Dec-2010 10:33:08] <ericenns> rmatte: you installed the data source zenpack also right
[06-Dec-2010 10:33:21] <rmatte> yes
[06-Dec-2010 10:33:36] <rmatte> it's not possible to install the ESXi pack without it
[06-Dec-2010 10:33:43] <ericenns> thats true
[06-Dec-2010 10:34:49] <csabo> rmatte broke it
[06-Dec-2010 10:34:51] <csabo> layer 8
[06-Dec-2010 10:35:00] <rmatte> 
[06-Dec-2010 10:35:56] <ericenns> rmatte: did the device preexist
[06-Dec-2010 10:36:23] <rmatte> no, it didn't
[06-Dec-2010 10:36:31] <ericenns> ok
[06-Dec-2010 10:38:18] <rmatte> nice, and there's no routine in your pack to remove zProperties when the pack is uninstalled
[06-Dec-2010 10:38:30] <rmatte> time to screw around in zendmd
[06-Dec-2010 10:39:20] <ericenns> It removes them automatically I thought
[06-Dec-2010 10:39:28] <rmatte> didn't for me
[06-Dec-2010 10:39:44] <ericenns> ok
[06-Dec-2010 10:39:50] <rmatte> I'll try a restart, but I don't generally have to
[06-Dec-2010 10:40:07] <rmatte> actually wait...
[06-Dec-2010 10:40:14] <rmatte> the zProperties are provided by the datasource pack?
[06-Dec-2010 10:40:14] <ericenns> ok
[06-Dec-2010 10:40:21] <ericenns> yes that is correct
[06-Dec-2010 10:40:23] <rmatte> (I was thinking they were provided by the ESXi pack)
[06-Dec-2010 10:40:24] <rmatte> ah ok
[06-Dec-2010 10:42:58] <rmatte> hmmmm, that explains it
[06-Dec-2010 10:43:12] <rmatte> you have...
[06-Dec-2010 10:43:14] <rmatte> #('zVSphereMonitorIgnore', False, 'boolean'),
[06-Dec-2010 10:43:16] <rmatte> commented out
[06-Dec-2010 10:43:32] <ericenns> oh yeah you had an older version
[06-Dec-2010 10:43:50] <rmatte> yeh
[06-Dec-2010 10:43:57] <rmatte> is that no longer in use?
[06-Dec-2010 10:44:07] <ericenns> not at the moment
[06-Dec-2010 10:44:09] <rmatte> k
[06-Dec-2010 10:44:38] <rmatte> easy enough to fix then
[06-Dec-2010 10:50:37] <forsberg> 
[06-Dec-2010 10:52:33] <forsberg> im home and standy ;>
[06-Dec-2010 10:54:47] <rmatte> ericenns: does your pack work for ESX or just ESXi?
[06-Dec-2010 10:57:48] <ericenns> both
[06-Dec-2010 10:57:54] <rmatte> k
[06-Dec-2010 10:57:58] <ericenns> coffee time now back in a bit
[06-Dec-2010 10:58:02] <rmatte> k
[06-Dec-2010 11:03:06] <rmatte> 2010-12-06 11:02:42WARNING zen.ZenModelerThe plugin community.cmd.VMwareESXiGuestMap returned no results.
[06-Dec-2010 11:03:06] <rmatte> 2010-12-06 11:02:42WARNING zen.ZenModelerThe plugin community.cmd.VMwareESXiHostMap returned no results.
[06-Dec-2010 11:03:18] <rmatte> I know I'm using the right username and password
[06-Dec-2010 11:03:35] <csabo> which fields 
[06-Dec-2010 11:03:44] <rmatte> the correct ones 
[06-Dec-2010 11:03:47] <csabo> uh huh
[06-Dec-2010 11:04:05] <csabo> did you read that it wants both the builtin zproperties for user/pass filled in, as well as the newly added ones?
[06-Dec-2010 11:04:08] <rmatte> zVSphereUsername, zVSpherePassword
[06-Dec-2010 11:04:21] <rmatte> nope, did not read that
[06-Dec-2010 11:04:25] <csabo>  give that a shot
[06-Dec-2010 11:04:41] <csabo> zcommandpassowrd or w/e it is
[06-Dec-2010 11:04:52] <rmatte> ah
[06-Dec-2010 11:05:56] <rmatte> still no good
[06-Dec-2010 11:06:02] <bigegor> hi, Data Replication Groups monitoring added to HPEVAMon ZenPack 1.9
[06-Dec-2010 11:06:27] <rmatte> cool
[06-Dec-2010 11:07:04] <forsberg> yeah, same for me before i did zCommanduser and pass also
[06-Dec-2010 11:07:13] <forsberg> that was for rmatte
[06-Dec-2010 11:07:14] <forsberg> 
[06-Dec-2010 11:08:25] <rmatte> doesn't work even with those set
[06-Dec-2010 11:08:36] <rmatte> I'm trying against 3 different servers too
[06-Dec-2010 11:08:48] <rmatte> 1 is an ESXi server, 1 is an ESX server, and 1 is a vSphere server
[06-Dec-2010 11:08:52] <rmatte> no dice on any of them
[06-Dec-2010 11:09:05] <csabo> it wont work on ESX
[06-Dec-2010 11:09:18] <csabo> did you install the vsphere perl CLI stuff on your zenoss box?
[06-Dec-2010 11:09:19] <rmatte> ericenns just said it would
[06-Dec-2010 11:09:29] <rmatte> oh right, I forgot about that
[06-Dec-2010 11:09:33] <csabo> there ya go
[06-Dec-2010 11:10:43] <forsberg> I have the perl vmware sdk, and i get some https traffic on first model, but after that its just only ICMP to that box, and no rrd files, thus no graphs anywhere
[06-Dec-2010 11:12:08] <rmatte> well, once I get the modelling working I'll be able to figure out a solution to that
[06-Dec-2010 11:12:20] <forsberg> \o/
[06-Dec-2010 11:13:10] <rmatte> nice, you need a vmware account to download it?
[06-Dec-2010 11:13:19] <forsberg> yeah
[06-Dec-2010 11:13:39] <forsberg> you need 32 or 64bit ?
[06-Dec-2010 11:13:56] <rmatte> 64
[06-Dec-2010 11:14:24] <forsberg> only have the 32bit around
[06-Dec-2010 11:14:28] <rmatte> k
[06-Dec-2010 11:14:39] <forsberg> i have an account ready tho, since i made it the other day hehe
[06-Dec-2010 11:14:56] <csabo> you had to have an acocunt to download vsphere or esx /esxi
[06-Dec-2010 11:14:59] <csabo> so login with that
[06-Dec-2010 11:15:10] <csabo> accept the new licesnse agreement, and get your DL
[06-Dec-2010 11:15:27] <csabo> god i cant type when its cold
[06-Dec-2010 11:16:16] <forsberg> hehe well that was looong ago, and they made the password a little to nazi for me to remember what i ended up with ;>
[06-Dec-2010 11:16:24] <csabo> ah
[06-Dec-2010 11:19:24] <forsberg> http://upload.foppa.dk/files/VMware-vSphere-Perl-SDK-4.1.0-254719.x86_64.tar.gz 64bit version is there anyways
[06-Dec-2010 11:19:48] <forsberg> http://upload.foppa.dk/files/VMware-vSphere-Perl-SDK-4.1.0-254719.i386.tar.gz aaaand 32bit one
[06-Dec-2010 11:20:37] <csabo> 1054KB/sec from .dk , woot
[06-Dec-2010 11:20:42] <csabo> or is it hosted in the states
[06-Dec-2010 11:21:38] <forsberg> nono its dkdk
[06-Dec-2010 11:22:00] <forsberg> from the employee rack in our datacenter ;>
[06-Dec-2010 11:22:09] <csabo> Cool
[06-Dec-2010 11:23:53] <rmatte> lol, I just registered for an account... thanks for the links
[06-Dec-2010 11:24:01] <csabo> haha
[06-Dec-2010 11:24:11] <forsberg> sorry you had to go through it man
[06-Dec-2010 11:24:12] <forsberg> ;>
[06-Dec-2010 11:24:18] <rmatte> just grabbed it
[06-Dec-2010 11:24:19] <csabo> pfft i've got 3 accounts now
[06-Dec-2010 11:24:40] <csabo> its not that bad 
[06-Dec-2010 11:25:21] <forsberg> only thing that is bad that it insisted on my lamer password was not strong even tho its 9 chars, have capitals and small letters and numbers
[06-Dec-2010 11:25:26] <forsberg> :>
[06-Dec-2010 11:25:48] <forsberg> aaaanyways
[06-Dec-2010 11:26:09] <kokey> urgh
[06-Dec-2010 11:26:32] <kokey> my rewrite rule to proxy stuff through to the zenoss interface from apache doesn't seem to work well with direct URLs when a user is not logged in
[06-Dec-2010 11:26:37] <ericenns> has anyone tried it on ESX
[06-Dec-2010 11:27:30] <ericenns> the vSphere SDK says it works for both ESX and ESXi and I didn't do anything specific to ESXi
[06-Dec-2010 11:27:37] <rmatte> I will be trying it
[06-Dec-2010 11:27:47] <ericenns> ok
[06-Dec-2010 11:27:49] <rmatte> I'll be trying it on vSphere, on ESX and ESXi
[06-Dec-2010 11:27:52] <rmatte> I have all 3
[06-Dec-2010 11:30:00] <rmatte> bingo, worked against ESX
[06-Dec-2010 11:30:22] <ericenns> ok cool
[06-Dec-2010 11:30:28] <forsberg> i guess i hope it doesnt work for you on esxi
[06-Dec-2010 11:30:29] <forsberg> hehe
[06-Dec-2010 11:30:30] <rmatte> now to see if I can figure out this RRD issue
[06-Dec-2010 11:31:41] <rmatte> It works on the actual vSphere server too
[06-Dec-2010 11:31:58] <rmatte> (the one server that we can manage multiple vmware servers from)
[06-Dec-2010 11:32:08] <ericenns> oh really thats cool so it shows all vms on it?
[06-Dec-2010 11:32:13] <rmatte> yessir
[06-Dec-2010 11:32:23] <ericenns> cool
[06-Dec-2010 11:32:31] <rmatte> It's the server that we use to migrate vm's between vmware servers and stuff
[06-Dec-2010 11:32:38] <rmatte> it acts as an overseer
[06-Dec-2010 11:32:52] <ericenns> I understand what the purpose of it is
[06-Dec-2010 11:32:56] * rmatte nods
[06-Dec-2010 11:33:05] <rmatte> wasn't sure if you were familliar with it
[06-Dec-2010 11:33:55] * ericenns nods
[06-Dec-2010 11:34:33] <ericenns> so do the graphs work for you or no?
[06-Dec-2010 11:35:15] <rmatte> waiting to see
[06-Dec-2010 11:35:43] <csabo> so you installed the vsphere perl SDK on the vsphere server and it works?
[06-Dec-2010 11:35:45] <ericenns> do you remember how to run zencommand for a device in the command line
[06-Dec-2010 11:35:45] <rmatte> hmmm, nope
[06-Dec-2010 11:35:48] <rmatte> doesn't appear to
[06-Dec-2010 11:35:50] <csabo> hm, is there a windows build of that SDK?
[06-Dec-2010 11:36:03] <rmatte> I'll check the RRD folder and then verify the parsing
[06-Dec-2010 11:36:53] <ericenns> ok
[06-Dec-2010 11:37:07] <rmatte> yeh, it hasn't even created the RRD folder... I'll have a look at the parser code, probably something stupid
[06-Dec-2010 11:38:22] <ericenns> rmatte run this zencommand run -v 10 -d "device"
[06-Dec-2010 11:38:32] <ericenns> that should show you whats going wrong
[06-Dec-2010 11:38:36] * rmatte nods
[06-Dec-2010 11:38:42] <ericenns> same to you forsberg
[06-Dec-2010 11:39:01] <rmatte> hmmm, doesn't show anything
[06-Dec-2010 11:39:03] <forsberg> yes there is csabo
[06-Dec-2010 11:39:26] <rmatte> ericenns: http://fpaste.org/wbQs/raw/
[06-Dec-2010 11:39:34] <rmatte> It's like it's not even trying to execute anything
[06-Dec-2010 11:40:15] <ericenns> yeah thats really weird after the updating threshold it should run the command
[06-Dec-2010 11:40:20] <forsberg> http://paste.tyk.nu/index.php?id=20101206174015_54803
[06-Dec-2010 11:40:52] <ericenns> yeah after line 20 there should be multiple running command
[06-Dec-2010 11:41:17] <rmatte> yup
[06-Dec-2010 11:41:33] <ericenns> perhaps zencommand changed from 2.5 to 3.0
[06-Dec-2010 11:42:12] <rmatte> well...
[06-Dec-2010 11:42:21] <rmatte> I just checked in templates for the ESXi class
[06-Dec-2010 11:42:28] <ericenns> ok
[06-Dec-2010 11:42:31] <rmatte> there's a template called "Device"
[06-Dec-2010 11:42:38] <rmatte> there's a datasource called "cpuUsage"
[06-Dec-2010 11:42:42] <rmatte> the datasource is completely blank
[06-Dec-2010 11:43:00] <rmatte> same goes for the 2 other templates
[06-Dec-2010 11:43:04] <rmatte> the datasources have no values
[06-Dec-2010 11:43:25] <rmatte> oh nevermind, they have PerformanceSource values
[06-Dec-2010 11:43:28] <ericenns> ok there should be a VMwareHost templare and a VirtualMachine template
[06-Dec-2010 11:43:30] <rmatte> but shouldn't they have something else?
[06-Dec-2010 11:43:36] <kokey> it seems like zenoss and rewriterules doesn't play well together when a user is not logged in and i can't put my finger on why
[06-Dec-2010 11:43:57] <rmatte> PerformanceSource has a value in both of those
[06-Dec-2010 11:43:59] <rmatte> but that's it
[06-Dec-2010 11:44:08] <rmatte> is that normal?
[06-Dec-2010 11:44:30] <ericenns> VMwareHost template has a VMwareHost DataSource with multiple data points under it
[06-Dec-2010 11:45:05] <rmatte> right, but what values in the datasource itself should be filled in?
[06-Dec-2010 11:45:08] <rmatte> just Performance Source?
[06-Dec-2010 11:45:14] <rmatte> does instance need to be populated?
[06-Dec-2010 11:45:26] <ericenns> and VirtualMachine template has a VMwareGuest DataSOurce and multiple data points, umm I don't quite understand
[06-Dec-2010 11:45:48] <rmatte> In the datasource you coded in different fields
[06-Dec-2010 11:45:49] <ericenns> oh yeah just Performance Source
[06-Dec-2010 11:45:53] <ericenns> not Instance
[06-Dec-2010 11:45:55] <rmatte> k
[06-Dec-2010 11:45:59] <rmatte> so that's fine then
[06-Dec-2010 11:46:19] <ericenns> yup
[06-Dec-2010 11:47:01] <ericenns> rmatte: forsberg was getting a blank screen when trying to test the datasource in host
[06-Dec-2010 11:47:08] <rmatte> so am I
[06-Dec-2010 11:47:32] <ericenns> thats weird It really should show the command it's running
[06-Dec-2010 11:47:58] <rmatte> It doesn't show any output at all
[06-Dec-2010 11:48:30] <rmatte> oh actually... I think this is part of something that I changed to make my pack 2.5 compatible
[06-Dec-2010 11:48:33] <rmatte> let me check my code
[06-Dec-2010 11:48:35] <ericenns> and your equation datasource does, because I remember making changes you recommende
[06-Dec-2010 11:48:52] <rmatte> yeh, maybe you just didn't make the changes correctly or something
[06-Dec-2010 11:48:57] <rmatte> I'll review the code
[06-Dec-2010 11:49:05] <ericenns> ok that could be
[06-Dec-2010 11:51:42] <rmatte> yup, you're missing a change that I made
[06-Dec-2010 11:52:49] <rmatte> actually hmmm
[06-Dec-2010 11:52:55] <rmatte>                 if REQUEST.get('renderTemplate',True):
[06-Dec-2010 11:52:56] <rmatte>                         header, footer = self.commandTestOutput().split('OUTPUT_TOKEN')
[06-Dec-2010 11:53:00] <rmatte> I don't have that code
[06-Dec-2010 11:53:08] <rmatte> did you add that?
[06-Dec-2010 11:53:20] <ericenns> ok I that remained
[06-Dec-2010 11:53:26] <rmatte> ?
[06-Dec-2010 11:53:35] <ericenns> I don't think I specifically added that
[06-Dec-2010 11:54:26] <rmatte> k
[06-Dec-2010 11:54:57] <jmp242> Hey, anyone using the core apache zenpack and getting an info event Server replied: 302 Found to action GET /server-status?auto with nan for the graphs?
[06-Dec-2010 11:55:12] <rmatte> lol
[06-Dec-2010 11:55:20] <rmatte> do you realize you have 2 render sections in your code?
[06-Dec-2010 11:55:35] <ericenns> probably not lol
[06-Dec-2010 11:55:59] <rmatte> I think I told you to put the change under #Render, but you put it at the wrong spot
[06-Dec-2010 11:56:08] <ericenns> oh I see
[06-Dec-2010 11:56:17] <ericenns> that could very well be true
[06-Dec-2010 11:56:33] <rmatte> actually sorry, I have render in 2 spots (the comment #render)
[06-Dec-2010 11:56:40] <rmatte> I just swapped screens and lost track of which was which
[06-Dec-2010 11:56:41] <ericenns> oh ok
[06-Dec-2010 11:56:55] <ericenns> what file are you modifying?
[06-Dec-2010 11:57:13] <rmatte> bingo...
[06-Dec-2010 11:57:19] <rmatte> ok, I think I've got the fix, give me a second
[06-Dec-2010 11:57:23] <rmatte> the datasource script file
[06-Dec-2010 11:57:26] <ericenns> k
[06-Dec-2010 11:58:11] <forsberg> :))))))))))))
[06-Dec-2010 11:58:25] <forsberg> have to eat now, both kid and wife is yelling, afk
[06-Dec-2010 11:58:37] <rmatte> k
[06-Dec-2010 11:58:54] <ericenns> I am about to put my code up on github
[06-Dec-2010 11:59:03] <ericenns> just got to figure out how to use it
[06-Dec-2010 11:59:14] <rmatte> k, when I have this fixed I'll provide you with the updates
[06-Dec-2010 11:59:18] <ericenns> k
[06-Dec-2010 11:59:23] <rmatte> yeh, I haven't figured out git yet
[06-Dec-2010 11:59:47] <rmatte> I'm a subversion guy lol
[06-Dec-2010 11:59:51] <ericenns> me too lol
[06-Dec-2010 12:00:00] <ericenns> as of like 2 weeks ago lol
[06-Dec-2010 12:00:04] <csabo> god i hate democrats sometimes
[06-Dec-2010 12:00:07] <csabo> Unemployment payments, which had already been extended by Congress for to up to 99 weeks from a traditional 26 weeks, expire this month for 2 million Americans whose benefits have now run out.
[06-Dec-2010 12:00:07] <csabo> Democrats want the payments extended for another year, and also want to make tax cuts permanent for families who make less than $250,00 a year, or $200,000 for individuals
[06-Dec-2010 12:00:30] <csabo> you know what, if someone makes 250k a year, why should i pay less in taxes simply because they WORKED HARDER
[06-Dec-2010 12:00:47] <csabo> taxes should increase for everyone, i thought i heard it mentioned that we are horribly in debt.....
[06-Dec-2010 12:01:00] <jmp242> csabo: what does that have to do with Zenoss?
[06-Dec-2010 12:01:11] <csabo> only channel im in with people
[06-Dec-2010 12:01:16] <rmatte> lol
[06-Dec-2010 12:01:22] <csabo> deal with it
[06-Dec-2010 12:01:36] <jmp242> I'm not a mod, but I'd suggest keeping politics out of a software support channel
[06-Dec-2010 12:07:28] <rmatte> jmp242: meh, conversations have a tendency to wander, as long as the conversation is appropriate (read: non-vulgar/sexual/offensive in nature), then I personally don't have a problem with it.
[06-Dec-2010 12:08:06] <rmatte> eugh, this code should be working
[06-Dec-2010 12:08:25] <jmp242> ok, I just know politics can lead quickly to flame wars...
[06-Dec-2010 12:09:27] <kokey> i think complaining about taxes is appropriate everywhere
[06-Dec-2010 12:09:36] <Simon4> *whinge*
[06-Dec-2010 12:09:44] <kokey> i pay more than half my day rate in taxes at the moment
[06-Dec-2010 12:10:03] <kokey> and now, for the sound of a jet engine
[06-Dec-2010 12:11:52] <rmatte> lol
[06-Dec-2010 12:11:53] <jmp242> Annnnddd back to Zenoss for me
[06-Dec-2010 12:12:18] <jmp242> Anyone tested in 3.x the Predictive threshold zenpack? It just has "needs testing" on the zenpack page
[06-Dec-2010 12:12:29] <rmatte> nope
[06-Dec-2010 12:12:49] <rmatte> If it hasn't been updated then it probably won't work
[06-Dec-2010 12:12:54] <rmatte> since it has interface components
[06-Dec-2010 12:13:08] <jmp242> mmm
[06-Dec-2010 12:13:10] <rmatte> and they've changed the way that interface components are defined in 3.0
[06-Dec-2010 12:13:14] <jmp242> That's too bad
[06-Dec-2010 12:13:19] <rmatte> uses a different file
[06-Dec-2010 12:13:24] <rmatte> you can give it a shot though and see
[06-Dec-2010 12:14:14] <jmp242> Yea- I might, but it's also python 2.4 so I suppose it needs to be updated
[06-Dec-2010 12:15:09] <rmatte> well, the python syntax hasn't really changed much
[06-Dec-2010 12:15:23] <rmatte> I have plenty of ZenPacks that I developed under 2.4 which work under 2.6
[06-Dec-2010 12:15:47] <rmatte> just remove the -py2.4 from the filename when you install it
[06-Dec-2010 12:15:50] <jmp242> I might just do a back up and try it out then.
[06-Dec-2010 12:15:55] * rmatte nods
[06-Dec-2010 12:16:17] <jmp242> I'm thinking of just using it on stuff I don't currently really watch at all, but to get a notice if it's "unusual" might be nice
[06-Dec-2010 12:17:26] <rmatte> yeh
[06-Dec-2010 12:17:35] <rmatte> afk for a few
[06-Dec-2010 12:18:31] <forsberg> i dont remember me authorising your break ?!
[06-Dec-2010 12:18:33] <forsberg> ;>
[06-Dec-2010 12:19:55] <ericenns> rmatte: any luck
[06-Dec-2010 12:33:55] <rmatte> still working on it
[06-Dec-2010 12:34:08] <rmatte> the stupid part is that the code for the test is basically identical to mine now
[06-Dec-2010 12:34:11] <rmatte> and it's still not working
[06-Dec-2010 12:35:14] <froztbyte> what's up?
[06-Dec-2010 12:35:45] <froztbyte> or down, I guess
[06-Dec-2010 12:38:53] <ericenns> oh hmm
[06-Dec-2010 12:38:57] <ericenns> well its on github now
[06-Dec-2010 12:40:11] <rmatte> I'll figure it out, just need to keep at it
[06-Dec-2010 12:40:27] <ericenns> k
[06-Dec-2010 12:53:29] <rmatte> the thing is, I do see the test on the VMwareGuest template
[06-Dec-2010 12:53:52] <ericenns> oh weird
[06-Dec-2010 12:54:07] <froztbyte> ohcrapvmware
[06-Dec-2010 12:54:11] * froztbyte runs for cover
[06-Dec-2010 12:54:57] <rmatte> ericenns: does the test run on the host template in 3.0?
[06-Dec-2010 12:55:12] <ericenns> yes it does for the host template
[06-Dec-2010 12:55:29] <rmatte> hmm
[06-Dec-2010 13:01:05] <rmatte> hmmm, it's complaining about the version of libxml
[06-Dec-2010 13:01:11] <rmatte> Warning: XML::LibXML compiled against libxml2 20706, but runtime libxml2 is older 20702
[06-Dec-2010 13:01:16] <rmatte> wonder if that's partly to blame
[06-Dec-2010 13:01:27] <rmatte> I get no output when I run the command
[06-Dec-2010 13:01:42] <ericenns> yes thats partly to blame been meaning to fix that lol
[06-Dec-2010 13:02:09] <kokey> hmmmm
[06-Dec-2010 13:02:19] <kokey> i wonder if i've hit some kind of snag with changing host name on the zenoss box
[06-Dec-2010 13:02:21] <rmatte> it shouldn't technically matter that it was compiled against a newer version
[06-Dec-2010 13:02:22] <ericenns> was going to add a thing in the parser yet to log those Warnings
[06-Dec-2010 13:02:26] <kokey> i wonder how many places i have to change it in
[06-Dec-2010 13:02:33] <rmatte> but I'm getting no output when I run the command to get host performance data
[06-Dec-2010 13:02:52] <ericenns> thats because it see that line and doesn't like it
[06-Dec-2010 13:03:10] <ericenns> it only parses one line of output and with that you get two lines
[06-Dec-2010 13:03:13] <rmatte> so how do I fix that?
[06-Dec-2010 13:03:37] <rmatte> there must be some way to quiet it down
[06-Dec-2010 13:03:38] <rmatte> lol
[06-Dec-2010 13:04:17] <rmatte> even if I redirect the error output to /dev/null it's still failing to give any output when I run the command from the commandline by hand
[06-Dec-2010 13:04:26] <ericenns> in vmware.py in the parsers
[06-Dec-2010 13:05:09] <ericenns> just eat all the lines until you see an |
[06-Dec-2010 13:05:32] <ericenns> or wait
[06-Dec-2010 13:05:44] <ericenns> yup before line 19
[06-Dec-2010 13:06:21] <ericenns> actually maybe more that but I am assuming output is only 1 line
[06-Dec-2010 13:06:24] <rmatte> I just don't get why I'm getting zero output from the script
[06-Dec-2010 13:06:36] <rmatte> like, not even on a second line
[06-Dec-2010 13:06:53] <ericenns> oh yeah
[06-Dec-2010 13:07:03] <ericenns> not sure about that
[06-Dec-2010 13:07:21] <rmatte> I notice you have --options 'hostperf:blah'
[06-Dec-2010 13:07:28] <rmatte> does blah have to be the hostname?
[06-Dec-2010 13:07:32] <rmatte> or can it be the ip?
[06-Dec-2010 13:10:16] <ericenns> it has rto be the hostname
[06-Dec-2010 13:10:22] <rmatte> ah
[06-Dec-2010 13:11:11] <ericenns> it how the data is stored in vsphere
[06-Dec-2010 13:11:44] <rmatte> so I just tried it with the hostname that's set on there, still no data
[06-Dec-2010 13:11:57] <rmatte> aha
[06-Dec-2010 13:12:03] <rmatte> I had to add the domain name to it
[06-Dec-2010 13:12:16] <ericenns> cool I just made a script to show an AUP at login in gnome and if you don't accept it, reboot
[06-Dec-2010 13:12:16] <rmatte> that's probably why nothing is working
[06-Dec-2010 13:12:19] <rmatte> didn't realize that
[06-Dec-2010 13:12:30] <ericenns> yes it needs fqdn
[06-Dec-2010 13:12:43] <rmatte> k
[06-Dec-2010 13:12:56] <rmatte> do you have that in the instructions on the ZenPack page?
[06-Dec-2010 13:13:00] <rmatte> if not, you should add it
[06-Dec-2010 13:13:26] <rmatte> it's case sensitive too
[06-Dec-2010 13:13:41] <ericenns> yes I will have to add that
[06-Dec-2010 13:14:19] <rmatte> I'm still getting no command output when testing the VMwareHost datasource though
[06-Dec-2010 13:15:21] <rmatte> do you have time to fix that error message thing?
[06-Dec-2010 13:15:30] <rmatte> so that it ignores until it sees a |
[06-Dec-2010 13:15:31] <rmatte> ?
[06-Dec-2010 13:16:19] <rmatte> actually, I have a good temporary solution for now...
[06-Dec-2010 13:16:59] <rmatte> just added 2>/dev/null to the end of the command strings
[06-Dec-2010 13:17:02] <rmatte> that'll do for now
[06-Dec-2010 13:18:10] <ericenns> oh yeah thats true
[06-Dec-2010 13:18:27] <ericenns> I will work on that error message thing tonight
[06-Dec-2010 13:18:33] <rmatte> k
[06-Dec-2010 13:18:41] <rmatte> hopefully I can get this working
[06-Dec-2010 13:19:41] <ericenns> ya hope so too
[06-Dec-2010 13:24:01] <rmatte> check this out
[06-Dec-2010 13:24:03] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/s74R/
[06-Dec-2010 13:24:35] <rmatte> it's choking on this line: cmd = RRDDataSource.RRDDataSource.getCommand(self, context, cmd)
[06-Dec-2010 13:24:38] <rmatte> for whatever reason
[06-Dec-2010 13:25:18] <ablew> is it possible to copy a monitoring template locally to an entire subclass instead of just one individual machine?
[06-Dec-2010 13:26:04] <rmatte> yes
[06-Dec-2010 13:26:10] <rmatte> they call it "Override" right now
[06-Dec-2010 13:26:17] <rmatte> which is going to be renamed to Copy
[06-Dec-2010 13:26:21] <rmatte> since it's a stupid name for it
[06-Dec-2010 13:26:29] <rmatte> Advanced -> Monitoring templates
[06-Dec-2010 13:26:37] <rmatte> select the template you want to copy by clicking on it
[06-Dec-2010 13:26:45] <rmatte> then select override from the bottom left menu
[06-Dec-2010 13:28:12] <ablew> ahhhh
[06-Dec-2010 13:28:15] <ablew> thanks much!
[06-Dec-2010 13:28:18] <rmatte> np
[06-Dec-2010 13:30:51] <ericenns> hmm weird
[06-Dec-2010 13:52:30] <rmatte> I'm getting to the point that I'm stumped, I can't see anything wrong with the code anymore, I'd have to rewrite the script from scratch using mine as a base line
[06-Dec-2010 13:57:44] <ablew> has anybody heard of anyone doing Zenoss/Puppet integration for things like adding new hosts?
[06-Dec-2010 13:58:11] <rmatte> there's a puppet ZenPack, that's about all that I know
[06-Dec-2010 13:58:21] <rmatte> though Zenoss is very easy to integrate with anything provided you know python
[06-Dec-2010 13:58:27] <ablew> sweet
[06-Dec-2010 14:05:01] <rmatte> ericenns: you have an editProperties routine
[06-Dec-2010 14:05:12] <rmatte> I don't have that in mine
[06-Dec-2010 14:05:37] <rmatte> guess that's just to grab the zProperty values
[06-Dec-2010 14:13:01] <forsberg> :8
[06-Dec-2010 14:19:55] <rmatte> done the rewrite, now to see if it works
[06-Dec-2010 14:21:12] <Simon4> ablew: blogs/zenossblog/2009/01/13/new-zenoss-module-for-puppet/
[06-Dec-2010 14:21:19] <Simon4> I haven't played with it though
[06-Dec-2010 14:24:09] <ablew> Simon4: ohh, thanks
[06-Dec-2010 14:24:20] <ablew> the one on the community zenpacks list appears to have been updated more recntly
[06-Dec-2010 14:24:22] <ablew> *recently
[06-Dec-2010 14:27:04] <ericenns> ok any luck rmatte
[06-Dec-2010 14:27:14] <rmatte> ericenns: did a complete rewrite, same issue when testing
[06-Dec-2010 14:27:33] <ericenns> ok weird well I will look at it tonight
[06-Dec-2010 14:27:45] <rmatte> you have a 2.5 install to use?
[06-Dec-2010 14:27:52] <ericenns> I'll set one up
[06-Dec-2010 14:28:45] * LarsN hopes to get an early christmas present and see Zenoss - 3.1 is out soon. 
[06-Dec-2010 14:28:47] <ericenns> It doesn't make sense for me to do it at work so I'll try it at home
[06-Dec-2010 14:29:03] <rmatte> k
[06-Dec-2010 14:29:20] <rmatte> I'm going to try a few more things
[06-Dec-2010 14:29:50] <ericenns> ok
[06-Dec-2010 14:36:15] <rmatte> for some reason it's always complaining about this line
[06-Dec-2010 14:36:16] <rmatte> cmd = RRDDataSource.RRDDataSource.getCommand(self, context, cmd)
[06-Dec-2010 14:36:43] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/5Vjy/
[06-Dec-2010 14:41:16] <ericenns> weird
[06-Dec-2010 14:41:25] <ericenns> is yours like that? like the line
[06-Dec-2010 14:41:33] <rmatte> yeh, pretty much...
[06-Dec-2010 14:41:41] <rmatte> I just don't have multiple commands
[06-Dec-2010 14:44:36] <csabo> dammit
[06-Dec-2010 14:44:42] <csabo> i broke ITM 
[06-Dec-2010 14:45:04] <ericenns> ok hmm
[06-Dec-2010 14:48:52] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[06-Dec-2010 14:49:03] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[06-Dec-2010 14:51:04] <mray> LarsN: prepare for disappointment
[06-Dec-2010 14:51:34] <rmatte> 3.1 isn't due out for like another 3 or 4 months
[06-Dec-2010 14:51:40] <LarsN> rmatte: I know.
[06-Dec-2010 14:51:46] <LarsN> but a man can dream, right?
[06-Dec-2010 14:53:11] <rmatte> dreaming is forbidden!
[06-Dec-2010 15:18:52] <jmp242> how do you set a process on a specific device to not be monitored? The Monitoring drop down is always greyed out as far as I can tell
[06-Dec-2010 15:19:52] <forsberg> os process ?
[06-Dec-2010 15:21:36] <forsberg> oh wait, im on 2.5.2 :>
[06-Dec-2010 15:21:40] <forsberg> just remove the process from the list hehe
[06-Dec-2010 15:28:41] <jmp242> forsberg: yes, but if I did that
[06-Dec-2010 15:28:47] <jmp242> it'd just come back when re-modeled
[06-Dec-2010 15:28:51] <jmp242> every 12 hrs
[06-Dec-2010 15:29:13] <forsberg> oh, I have locked devices... mostly :>
[06-Dec-2010 15:30:01] <rmatte> jmp242: set it to not monitored and then lock it
[06-Dec-2010 15:30:30] <jmp242> I get that
[06-Dec-2010 15:30:40] <jmp242> but monitored in the dropdown in 3.0.2 is greyed out
[06-Dec-2010 15:30:47] <jmp242> so I can't set it to not monitored on the device
[06-Dec-2010 15:30:50] <jmp242> clicking does nothing
[06-Dec-2010 15:31:06] <jmp242> Maybe that was fixed in 3.0.3
[06-Dec-2010 15:31:32] <rmatte> why are you still on 3.0.2?
[06-Dec-2010 15:31:37] <rmatte> 3.0.3 had a lot of fixes
[06-Dec-2010 15:31:56] <rmatte> I still wouldn't use it in production... but it's sure as heck better than 3.0.2
[06-Dec-2010 15:32:46] <jmp242> Well, no need to update?
[06-Dec-2010 15:32:56] <jmp242> and I'm always a bit scared of the updates lol
[06-Dec-2010 15:33:26] <jmp242> I was just trying to see if I missed something in how the new GUI worked
[06-Dec-2010 15:34:10] <rmatte> I'm checking right now
[06-Dec-2010 15:34:32] <rmatte> you're afraid of updates yet you gung-ho'd in to 3.0?
[06-Dec-2010 15:35:17] <jmp242> no, I waited for what seemed like the last release of the 3.0.x series
[06-Dec-2010 15:35:28] <jmp242> 3.0.3 came after I'd seen messaging that 3.0.2 was it
[06-Dec-2010 15:35:33] <rmatte> I find everyone was all "ooooooh, eye candy!" only to come to the realization that nothing really worked lol
[06-Dec-2010 15:35:42] <jmp242> and I don't like to be 2 "mid" releases behind
[06-Dec-2010 15:35:57] <jmp242> i.e., when they release 3.2 betas I'm likely to try 3.1
[06-Dec-2010 15:36:26] <jmp242> and 3.0.2 isn't bad compared to 2.5.2 - it's about the same
[06-Dec-2010 15:36:26] <davetoo> heh,
[06-Dec-2010 15:36:30] <jmp242> just the upgrade hurt a LOT
[06-Dec-2010 15:36:40] <davetoo> they.. may skip right to 4.x
[06-Dec-2010 15:36:54] <jmp242> but the new UI is anything but intuitive compared to 2.x
[06-Dec-2010 15:37:09] <davetoo> there are some major infrastructure changes planned for the next major release
[06-Dec-2010 15:37:10] <jmp242> I kind of hate the MS style lets change it for the pretty but no other reason
[06-Dec-2010 15:37:24] <rmatte> and yes you're right, monitoring is always greyed out for os processes, which is a bug
[06-Dec-2010 15:37:31] <jmp242> davetoo: damn
[06-Dec-2010 15:37:34] <rmatte> log a trac
[06-Dec-2010 15:37:38] <jmp242> ok I will
[06-Dec-2010 15:38:05] <jmp242> I wish they had held off on 3.x then . . . seems like that change will be another likely to kill everything
[06-Dec-2010 15:38:17] <jmp242> the number of "lost zenpacks" with the 3.x upgrade is bad
[06-Dec-2010 15:38:30] <davetoo> jmp242: did you see the Roadmap blog post?
[06-Dec-2010 15:38:32] <rmatte> necessary evil
[06-Dec-2010 15:38:32] <jmp242> if whatever's next kills more, they'll have lost a lot of community resources
[06-Dec-2010 15:38:55] <jmp242> I think I did - something about SQL storage for data.fs
[06-Dec-2010 15:38:59] <rmatte> meh, if ZenPacks aren't maintained they are ultimately doomed to die anyways
[06-Dec-2010 15:39:06] <rmatte> relstorage, yes
[06-Dec-2010 15:39:07] <davetoo> yeah,
[06-Dec-2010 15:39:11] <jmp242> True
[06-Dec-2010 15:39:31] <davetoo> the other big thing I've been able to suss out may not actually affect Core too much right now
[06-Dec-2010 15:39:31] <opapo> What companies are there that support Zenoss at a reasonable price?
[06-Dec-2010 15:39:52] <jmp242> I don't know if that's good or not lol
[06-Dec-2010 15:39:52] <davetoo> opapo: what is a "reasonable price"?
[06-Dec-2010 15:39:58] <rmatte> there are a few consulting places that do it, but what's a "reasonable price" to you?
[06-Dec-2010 15:40:30] <opapo> I saw on Zenoss.com that they charge $225/hour
[06-Dec-2010 15:40:37] <opapo> I think that is not reasonable.
[06-Dec-2010 15:40:48] <davetoo> jmp242: the Events system is being reworked/extended to use AMQP messaging
[06-Dec-2010 15:40:52] <opapo> I am looking to monitor 125-150 nodes
[06-Dec-2010 15:40:52] <rmatte> well, I think that's for coding work
[06-Dec-2010 15:41:02] <davetoo> opapo: I work for a consulting partner in California
[06-Dec-2010 15:41:16] <opapo> I work in Utah
[06-Dec-2010 15:41:30] <rmatte> opapo, why do you need support?  just read the documentation and ask questions in here
[06-Dec-2010 15:42:03] <opapo> rmatte: I am not in charge of this.  If I were to do this for me I would do that
[06-Dec-2010 15:42:16] <jmp242> Interesting, I suppose that's to make it easier to integrate with other systems
[06-Dec-2010 15:42:47] <davetoo> jmp242: the first use case is an Enterprise extension, of course 
[06-Dec-2010 15:42:47] <rmatte> opapo: you're telling me you have no actual employees who can do the technical bits?
[06-Dec-2010 15:42:58] <opapo> The network guys don't have time to do that and they would be more comfortable with hiring a company to support it than take a chance on me.
[06-Dec-2010 15:43:40] <rmatte> Jane Curry does Zenoss consulting
[06-Dec-2010 15:43:53] <rmatte> http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/
[06-Dec-2010 15:43:59] <rmatte> based out of the UK
[06-Dec-2010 15:44:17] <rmatte> I would do consultency but my contract prevents it
[06-Dec-2010 15:45:29] <ablew> is there a way to change the retention of syslog events?  For example if I didn't want to keep anything past 30 days how would that work?
[06-Dec-2010 15:45:39] <forsberg> hire me, ill just use rmatte here @ irc
[06-Dec-2010 15:45:43] <forsberg> ^^
[06-Dec-2010 15:45:51] <rmatte> lol
[06-Dec-2010 15:46:07] <Simon4> heh
[06-Dec-2010 15:46:11] <rmatte> ablew: Zenoss treats all events the same, it doesn't distinguish between syslogs and other events
[06-Dec-2010 15:46:33] <ablew> rmatte: ahh...
[06-Dec-2010 15:46:41] <ablew> rmatte: does it have any event lifecycle type facility?
[06-Dec-2010 15:47:13] <rmatte> It has a feature to automatically delete events after a certain period of time, but it applies to all events
[06-Dec-2010 15:47:29] <ablew> gotcha
[06-Dec-2010 15:47:30] <rmatte> there are plenty of ways to do what you want, but it all involves some coding
[06-Dec-2010 15:47:44] <ablew> gotcha.
[06-Dec-2010 15:47:57] <rmatte> well, the easiest way would be to setup syslog-ng between the outside and Zenoss
[06-Dec-2010 15:48:00] <ablew> does it store all the events in mysql?
[06-Dec-2010 15:48:05] <rmatte> have Zenoss' syslog server on a different port
[06-Dec-2010 15:48:12] <rmatte> have syslog-ng dump the syslogs to disk
[06-Dec-2010 15:48:17] <rmatte> then forward them on to Zenoss for alerting
[06-Dec-2010 15:48:22] <rmatte> and logrotate them
[06-Dec-2010 15:48:33] <rmatte> and yes, all events are in MySQL
[06-Dec-2010 15:48:56] <ablew> yea, i'm thinking i'll just forward warn and up to zenoss directly and then everything on to the central log store in another syslog.conf entry
[06-Dec-2010 15:49:11] <rmatte> that's what I do for some of my clients
[06-Dec-2010 15:49:12] <rmatte> works fine
[06-Dec-2010 15:49:20] <rmatte> you need to compile syslog-ng with spoofing
[06-Dec-2010 15:49:43] <ablew> i'm actually liking rsyslog more these days
[06-Dec-2010 15:50:13] <ablew> you can have it watch normal files and forward them on, newer versions have support for the hadoop distributed filesystem
[06-Dec-2010 15:51:13] <rmatte> I've worked with rsyslog too, I find syslog-ng is higher performance
[06-Dec-2010 15:54:31] <ablew> what kind of volume were you throwing at rsyslog before you ran into issues?
[06-Dec-2010 15:55:20] <rmatte> can't remember
[06-Dec-2010 15:55:48] <rmatte> either way, if you're not having performance issues with it then it doesn't matter
[06-Dec-2010 15:56:16] <rmatte> well, I just brought up my 16th production Zenoss box
[06-Dec-2010 15:57:24] <ablew> for one environment?
[06-Dec-2010 15:57:30] <rmatte> no, multiple
[06-Dec-2010 15:57:32] <rmatte> we're an MSP
[06-Dec-2010 15:57:33] <ablew> ahh
[06-Dec-2010 15:57:36] <rmatte> we have a bunch of clients
[06-Dec-2010 15:57:59] <ablew> makes sense
[06-Dec-2010 15:58:03] <rmatte> opapo: have you ever thought of having an MSP do the monitoring for you?
[06-Dec-2010 16:01:44] <davetoo> rmatte: how are you monitoring all your zenoss boxes? 
[06-Dec-2010 16:01:53] <rmatte> with a Zenoss box
[06-Dec-2010 16:01:54] <rmatte> 
[06-Dec-2010 16:02:10] <rmatte> and I have a different Zenoss box monitoring that one
[06-Dec-2010 16:02:15] <ericenns> inception
[06-Dec-2010 16:02:15] <rmatte> it works well
[06-Dec-2010 16:02:33] <davetoo> I haven't seen that flick yet
[06-Dec-2010 16:02:39] <ericenns> me neither lol
[06-Dec-2010 16:02:39] <rmatte> it's a good movie
[06-Dec-2010 16:02:47] <rmatte> best I've seen recently
[06-Dec-2010 16:03:06] <davetoo> I was just looking at Ellen Page's IMDB page a few seconds ago
[06-Dec-2010 16:03:14] <rmatte> lol
[06-Dec-2010 16:03:24] <rmatte> have you seen the movie hard candy?
[06-Dec-2010 16:03:27] <rmatte> (she starred in it)
[06-Dec-2010 16:03:30] <rmatte> crazy movie
[06-Dec-2010 16:03:33] <davetoo> bits and pieces
[06-Dec-2010 16:03:46] <davetoo> yeah, was looking at the page for that
[06-Dec-2010 16:04:10] <davetoo> Reminds me of that movie with Ben Kingsley and Sigourney Weaver, which i
[06-Dec-2010 16:04:16] <davetoo> also have only seen bits of
[06-Dec-2010 16:04:25] <rmatte> never seen that one
[06-Dec-2010 16:04:54] <rmatte> Synopsis: An armed ex-political prisoner puts her presumed torturer on trial at her home in South America. From the Ariel Dorfman play.
[06-Dec-2010 16:04:58] <rmatte> sounds about right
[06-Dec-2010 16:05:20] <davetoo> title?
[06-Dec-2010 16:05:41] <rmatte> Death And The Maiden
[06-Dec-2010 16:05:58] <davetoo> Polanski
[06-Dec-2010 16:06:05] <opapo> rmatte: I don't think the network guys would go for a solution managed elsewhere.
[06-Dec-2010 16:06:10] <davetoo> I was going to guess that Mamet was involved
[06-Dec-2010 16:06:12] <opapo> thanks though
[06-Dec-2010 16:10:56] <rmatte> opapo: alright, it generally ends up being cheaper than managing it in-house, especially if you need support
[06-Dec-2010 16:13:31] <opapo> rmatte: for kicks and giggles who would you suggest as a MSP?
[06-Dec-2010 16:13:51] <rmatte> you'd have to hunt around
[06-Dec-2010 16:14:02] <rmatte> I don't really keep track of other MSPs
[06-Dec-2010 16:14:30] <opapo> "other MSPs" are you an MSP?
[06-Dec-2010 16:14:35] <rmatte> yeh, we are
[06-Dec-2010 16:18:27] <csabo> uh oh
[06-Dec-2010 16:18:32] <csabo> i'm modifying my tivoli situations!
[06-Dec-2010 16:18:39] <csabo> my situation console was full of situations
[06-Dec-2010 16:22:35] <xuru> hey everyone
[06-Dec-2010 16:23:19] <csabo> hi
[06-Dec-2010 16:25:33] <csabo> lol jane curry knows tivoli
[06-Dec-2010 16:25:36] <csabo> i should find him/her
[06-Dec-2010 16:26:16] <rmatte> her
[06-Dec-2010 16:28:51] <xuru> anyone know of a zenpack for openvpn?  google couldn't find one for me 
[06-Dec-2010 16:29:08] <rmatte> what are you looking to monitor for openvpn?
[06-Dec-2010 16:29:10] <csabo> yeah
[06-Dec-2010 16:29:16] <csabo> just ping the other gateway
[06-Dec-2010 16:29:19] <csabo> if it fails, you know its down
[06-Dec-2010 16:29:38] <xuru> usage, through put through the tunnels, etc
[06-Dec-2010 16:30:02] <rmatte> well, you could make something like that with an ssh datasource
[06-Dec-2010 16:30:15] <rmatte> just need to figure out what commands you need to execute to capture/format the data
[06-Dec-2010 16:30:25] <xuru> I've had some complaints about slow through put through the vpn at times
[06-Dec-2010 16:31:06] <csabo> cant you monitor that with whatever product is your gateway?
[06-Dec-2010 16:31:13] <csabo> if anything, pull the data from them
[06-Dec-2010 16:31:40] <xuru> I know I can do that, I was just wondering if someone else did the leg work
[06-Dec-2010 16:31:53] <forsberg> msp Michigan State Police ?
[06-Dec-2010 16:32:06] <rmatte> xuru: doubt it
[06-Dec-2010 16:32:07] <Simon4> hj
[06-Dec-2010 16:32:11] <Simon4> yup, rmatte is a cop 
[06-Dec-2010 16:32:16] <xuru> hehe
[06-Dec-2010 16:32:25] <rmatte> darn straight
[06-Dec-2010 16:32:29] <rmatte> don't make me taze yo ass
[06-Dec-2010 16:32:46] <forsberg> maybe Managed Service Provider then ;>
[06-Dec-2010 16:32:56] <rmatte> 
[06-Dec-2010 16:33:16] <Simon4> massively successful penguin
[06-Dec-2010 16:33:28] <csabo> +1
[06-Dec-2010 16:33:28] <Simon4> so many possibilities 
[06-Dec-2010 16:33:39] <csabo> monster sized penis?
[06-Dec-2010 16:35:06] <forsberg> :)))
[06-Dec-2010 16:53:01] <xfader86> Hi all. When I set a filestystems "monitored" property to false I still receive alerts about the filesystem being full, these are typically cdrom mounts. What is the correct was to disable monitoring of these filesystems?
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[06-Dec-2010 17:21:06] <wobblyonions> anyone alive here today?
[06-Dec-2010 17:27:20] <ablew> off and on 
[06-Dec-2010 17:46:57] <QubeZ> hello all
[06-Dec-2010 17:47:18] <QubeZ> any tutorials on creating custom graphs? i have a projector up on a large wall and would like to have custom grahs up
[06-Dec-2010 17:51:19] <ablew> the jmx zenpack actually has some info related to that
[06-Dec-2010 17:51:22] <ablew> (in the documentation)
[06-Dec-2010 17:51:29] <QubeZ> thanks
[06-Dec-2010 17:51:42] <xuru> QubeZ: this might be a start too:  docs/DOC-2478
[06-Dec-2010 17:51:49] <QubeZ> is the dashboard configurable only in enterprise edition?
[06-Dec-2010 17:51:59] <xuru> nope
[06-Dec-2010 17:51:59] <QubeZ> xuru: thanks
[06-Dec-2010 17:52:33] <QubeZ> ok thanks
[06-Dec-2010 17:52:49] <xuru> lot of that is in the admin guide too
[06-Dec-2010 18:17:30] <ablew> blarg...trying to set up an HTTP alert and getting pattern not found
[06-Dec-2010 18:33:03] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[06-Dec-2010 18:33:11] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[06-Dec-2010 18:56:12] <rhettardo> ablew: you can specify a specific page to grab when you edit the template
[06-Dec-2010 18:56:43] <rhettardo> just make sure you create a local copy if each device you're going to monitor w/ the http template needs separate pages checked
[06-Dec-2010 18:57:16] <ablew> yea, made the local copy and specified the url to grab
[06-Dec-2010 18:57:49] <ablew> the return text is "Okee Dokee", but i haven't been able to make it successfully detect that string whether the regex is inverted or not
[06-Dec-2010 18:57:52] <ablew> it's kind of odd
[06-Dec-2010 19:00:07] <ablew> when i test at the command line with libexec/checkhttpd it works as expected
[06-Dec-2010 19:06:29] <ablew> interesting
[06-Dec-2010 19:06:38] <ablew> rhettardo: if I take the space out of the regular expression it works...
[06-Dec-2010 19:06:51] <ablew> i had it in quotes but maybe I just need to escape the space..
[06-Dec-2010 19:07:05] <ablew> oh wait
[06-Dec-2010 19:07:06] <ablew> there it goes
[06-Dec-2010 19:07:09] <ablew> failing again :/
[06-Dec-2010 19:08:32] <rhettardo> :\
[06-Dec-2010 19:08:53] <rhettardo> i normally refine those strings from the console
[06-Dec-2010 19:09:00] <ablew> what's the command(s)?
[06-Dec-2010 19:09:08] <wobblyonions> does anyone know where you can change the database that zenoss stores all the events in ?
[06-Dec-2010 19:10:27] <rhettardo> as the zenoss user /opt/zenoss/libexec/check_http -H HOST -I IP -p 80 -t 60 -f follow
[06-Dec-2010 19:11:48] <ablew> rhettardo: yea, it works from the CLI
[06-Dec-2010 19:12:11] <ablew> i'm thinking i may just delete the copy of the template and re-do it
[06-Dec-2010 19:12:25] <rhettardo> go for it
[06-Dec-2010 19:14:45] <rhettardo> you can also use '-u path' to check a seperate site/p
[06-Dec-2010 19:14:47] <rhettardo> AH
[06-Dec-2010 19:14:52] <rhettardo> damn cat sitting on enter key
[06-Dec-2010 19:15:02] <ablew> helping!
[06-Dec-2010 19:15:03] <ablew> 
[06-Dec-2010 19:15:11] <rhettardo> always
[06-Dec-2010 19:16:19] <rhettardo> exampe: /opt/zenoss/libexec/check_http -H HOST -I IP -p 80 -t 60 -u /dir/example.php -f follow
[06-Dec-2010 19:19:26] <ablew> it's working as expected on the CLI
[06-Dec-2010 19:20:31] <rhettardo> :\
[06-Dec-2010 19:20:40] <rhettardo> well this is ballocks
[06-Dec-2010 19:20:48] <ablew> is there a log that shows the full command it attempts to run for the check?
[06-Dec-2010 19:21:08] <rhettardo> i THINK it shows you in the event details
[06-Dec-2010 19:21:18] <rhettardo> i dont remember what log it would go into though
[06-Dec-2010 19:21:21] <rhettardo> let me see if i can find it
[06-Dec-2010 19:21:36] <ablew> grepping for check_http in log/* 
[06-Dec-2010 19:21:48] <rhettardo> me too!
[06-Dec-2010 19:21:59] <ablew> awesome
[06-Dec-2010 19:22:43] <rhettardo> my logs are fairly large; i havnt found anything yet
[06-Dec-2010 19:23:16] <ablew> oh
[06-Dec-2010 19:23:17] <ablew> hehe
[06-Dec-2010 19:23:21] <ablew> it doesn't work on the fifos
[06-Dec-2010 19:23:51] <rhettardo> ha
[06-Dec-2010 19:29:54] <ablew> do you know how ot set the default selection for the production state of devices in the list in the GUI?
[06-Dec-2010 19:31:43] <ericenns_> rmatte what version of ubuntu do you use?
[06-Dec-2010 19:32:20] <rhettardo> i actually dont, ablew
[06-Dec-2010 19:32:44] <ablew> rhettardo: doh
[06-Dec-2010 19:33:08] <ablew> rhettardo: seems to be working after re-adding the check too
[06-Dec-2010 19:33:09] <ablew> :/
[06-Dec-2010 19:33:16] <rhettardo> :\ funky
[06-Dec-2010 19:33:51] <rhettardo> i typically just have alerting on specific device classes so production state dosnt matter for /Discovered or any other
[06-Dec-2010 19:37:10] <ablew> oh, interesting
[06-Dec-2010 19:37:18] <davetoo> What bugs me about /Discovered is the visual spam on the events console
[06-Dec-2010 19:38:00] <rhettardo> ha
[06-Dec-2010 19:38:05] <rhettardo> yeah
[06-Dec-2010 19:38:24] <davetoo> but more often than not I use external tools to scan, classify, and load devices
[06-Dec-2010 19:39:08] <wobblyonions> rhettardo: do you know where the config is that tells Zenoss where to store events i.e which database etc
[06-Dec-2010 19:40:40] <rhettardo> yeah
[06-Dec-2010 19:41:05] <rhettardo> go to advanced
[06-Dec-2010 19:41:29] <rhettardo> ah crap i forgot in v3
[06-Dec-2010 19:41:30] <rhettardo> hold on
[06-Dec-2010 19:43:05] <rhettardo> i thought it was under collectors but im missing something because i dont see it
[06-Dec-2010 19:43:12] <rhettardo> and im still getting used to the v3 interface
[06-Dec-2010 19:45:09] <rhettardo> ok
[06-Dec-2010 19:45:11] <rhettardo> in v3
[06-Dec-2010 19:45:23] <rhettardo> click on events -> event manager -> edit
[06-Dec-2010 19:46:33] <wobblyonions> ok let me take a look now give me a second
[06-Dec-2010 19:47:56] <wobblyonions> got it thanks very much, it seems that when Zenoss was installed it brought up a new mysql instance on 3307 rather than using the already installing mysql on 3306 for some weird reason
[06-Dec-2010 19:48:24] <rhettardo> ah, did you install the stack?
[06-Dec-2010 19:48:35] <rhettardo> the stack installer uses port 3007 by default i believe
[06-Dec-2010 19:49:50] <wobblyonions> ah right that would be the case then, mmm interesting ok any idea how to get into that DB then at all, i.e whats the password by default etc
[06-Dec-2010 19:50:20] <wobblyonions> I need to extract data from the database seperately to what Zenoss does etc
[06-Dec-2010 19:54:30] <rhettardo> i want to say zenoss/zenoss
[06-Dec-2010 19:54:35] <rhettardo> but i dont know for certain
[06-Dec-2010 19:55:30] <wobblyonions> nope that dont work
[06-Dec-2010 19:55:34] <wobblyonions> :-(
[06-Dec-2010 19:59:00] <rhettardo> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html#resetting-permissions-unix
[06-Dec-2010 20:32:20] <wobblyonions> maybe I should just re-create a new db and point it to that
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[06-Dec-2010 21:39:25] <dgarcia_> the stack installer prompts you for the zenoss (mysql user) password
[06-Dec-2010 21:40:02] <davetoo> and?
[06-Dec-2010 21:40:07] <davetoo> oh
[06-Dec-2010 21:40:08] <davetoo> n/mind
[06-Dec-2010 21:40:53] <dgarcia_> you can find it in global.conf
[06-Dec-2010 21:41:14] <dgarcia_> grep for mysqlpasswd
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[07-Dec-2010 04:37:42] <kokey> morning
[07-Dec-2010 06:06:45] <kokey> hmmmm
[07-Dec-2010 06:07:01] <kokey> i wonder how i can make zenoss quiet about traps it doesn't have MIBs for
[07-Dec-2010 06:07:10] <kokey> or rather change the severity for it
[07-Dec-2010 06:07:21] <Simon4> event transform in /Unknown
[07-Dec-2010 06:08:26] <kokey> cool
[07-Dec-2010 07:13:13] <kokey> is there a way to debug or watch logs on event transforms?
[07-Dec-2010 07:45:06] <Simon4> kokey: zenhub.log, and you can add logging with
[07-Dec-2010 07:45:09] <Simon4> (please hold, caller)
[07-Dec-2010 07:46:39] <Simon4> import logging
[07-Dec-2010 07:46:39] <Simon4> log = logging.getLogger("zen.Events")
[07-Dec-2010 07:46:39] <Simon4> # log.error("Foo was here in this interface transform")
[07-Dec-2010 07:46:47] <Simon4> minus the #, of course
[07-Dec-2010 07:47:13] <kokey> ah ok
[07-Dec-2010 07:47:19] <kokey> seems like i've been lucky so far tho
[07-Dec-2010 07:47:31] <kokey> ok, just wondering if this can be written better:
[07-Dec-2010 07:47:32] <kokey> match = re.search('1.3.6.1.4.1.546', evt.summary)
[07-Dec-2010 07:47:33] <kokey> if match: evt._action = "history"
[07-Dec-2010 07:47:57] <kokey> i guess i can search on message instead
[07-Dec-2010 07:48:01] <kokey> message is: snmp trap 1.3.6.1.4.1.546.1.1.11
[07-Dec-2010 07:48:33] <kokey> also maybe i also want to modify the severity first
[07-Dec-2010 07:50:36] <Simon4> if you want to avoid regex things you can say if "1.3.6.1.foo" in evt.summary:
[07-Dec-2010 07:51:12] <Simon4> and if your transform throws an exception it'll end up in zenhub.log also
[07-Dec-2010 07:51:58] <kokey> heh, i forgot an import re
[07-Dec-2010 07:52:10] <kokey> well i want to do it for all 1.3.6.1.4.1.546*
[07-Dec-2010 07:52:24] <kokey> i should match on '^snmp trap 1.3.6.1.4.1.546' really
[07-Dec-2010 07:52:43] <Simon4> yeah, if "foo" in baa: will catch substrings
[07-Dec-2010 07:53:25] <kokey> oh
[07-Dec-2010 07:53:28] <kokey> interesting
[07-Dec-2010 07:53:34] <kokey> lemme try that
[07-Dec-2010 07:54:14] <kokey> if '1.3.6.1.4.1.546.' in evt.message:
[07-Dec-2010 08:04:33] <kokey> this event stuff turns me on
[07-Dec-2010 08:04:38] <kokey> i can see how it can get addictive
[07-Dec-2010 08:05:25] <Simon4> heheh
[07-Dec-2010 08:26:06] <kokey> haha
[07-Dec-2010 08:26:15] <kokey> i can't figure out where thresholds are set
[07-Dec-2010 08:26:31] <Simon4> always in templates... what is it for?
[07-Dec-2010 08:26:52] <kokey> aah
[07-Dec-2010 08:27:00] <kokey> high load
[07-Dec-2010 08:28:41] <Simon4> Device tempalaet
[07-Dec-2010 08:28:43] <Simon4> template
[07-Dec-2010 08:28:43] <Simon4> even
[07-Dec-2010 08:29:56] <kokey> threshold of high load exceeded: current value 2431.00
[07-Dec-2010 08:32:11] <kokey> aah ok was in /Server/Linux
[07-Dec-2010 08:32:26] <kokey> I guess I should create some more
[07-Dec-2010 08:32:36] <kokey> e.g. we don't really care about load on our dev servers
[07-Dec-2010 08:33:09] <kokey> what's the best way to do that... create a template e.g. /Server/Linux/Dev and a group for Dev and then put those servers in that group?
[07-Dec-2010 08:42:08] <jmp242> kokey: I think you may want variable thresholds for that? Or in ,,,/dev you could just remove the default template
[07-Dec-2010 08:42:40] <jmp242> Variable Thresholds: docs/DOC-4724#Another_method_for_Per_Device_Filesystem_thresholds
[07-Dec-2010 08:43:58] <Simon4> kokey: yeah
[07-Dec-2010 08:44:14] <Simon4> basically put the dev servers into their own class then override the "Device" template in that class and remove the thresholds
[07-Dec-2010 08:45:34] <kokey> i think for now it will just be a case of very high thresholds for dev servers, and something blanket/default for the rest
[07-Dec-2010 08:46:40] <kokey> a loadavg of 30 will do
[07-Dec-2010 08:46:46] <kokey> looks like default is 13
[07-Dec-2010 08:47:08] <kokey> boss said today i should get a quote for enterprise but it looks like they will buy it
[07-Dec-2010 08:47:09] <Simon4> yeah, the 2431 above is actually 24
[07-Dec-2010 08:47:31] * Simon4 keeps meaning to write a quick event transform to fix that message here
[07-Dec-2010 08:54:05] <jmp242> kokey: either way, you can always come to IRC and the forums for help
[07-Dec-2010 08:55:17] <kokey> hmmmm, can't figure out how to override a template for a class
[07-Dec-2010 08:55:22] <kokey> just per device
[07-Dec-2010 08:55:40] <kokey> jmp242: yeah i have, the help here has been brilliant
[07-Dec-2010 08:56:18] <kokey> buying enterprise is more for stuff like the deeper access control, some of the cisco, checkpoint, netapp and vmware stuff, etc.
[07-Dec-2010 08:58:09] <csabo> good morning
[07-Dec-2010 08:58:40] <jmp242> kokey: to do that, you need to click on either Details -> or the gear in the left hand pane
[07-Dec-2010 08:58:55] <jmp242> I don't recall exactly, but it's not as obvious in v3 compared to v2
[07-Dec-2010 09:00:45] <csabo> what are you looking for?
[07-Dec-2010 09:00:54] <csabo> i've been using 3 exclusivly since release date
[07-Dec-2010 09:00:57] <jmp242> Actually, I take that back
[07-Dec-2010 09:01:11] <jmp242> how do you see the templates at the Device Class level
[07-Dec-2010 09:01:38] <csabo> let me look
[07-Dec-2010 09:01:53] <kokey> it actually lists the monitoring templates
[07-Dec-2010 09:01:54] <csabo> i'm a visual guy (need a num pad to remember phone nubmers 
[07-Dec-2010 09:02:02] <kokey> just like in the device itself
[07-Dec-2010 09:02:15] <jmp242> Oh, it was just Opera vs Firefox I think
[07-Dec-2010 09:02:19] <kokey> but for devices you have an option to create a local template
[07-Dec-2010 09:02:21] <jmp242> I usually scrape by with Opera
[07-Dec-2010 09:02:29] <kokey> at class level you only have bind templates option
[07-Dec-2010 09:02:31] <jmp242> I think they call it Override Template now
[07-Dec-2010 09:02:45] <jmp242> that will make a copy of the template
[07-Dec-2010 09:02:52] * Simon4 has a look
[07-Dec-2010 09:03:04] <kokey> yeah i can do that per device
[07-Dec-2010 09:03:10] <Simon4> I'm sure I found this
[07-Dec-2010 09:03:40] <jmp242> I've been using Zenoss since 1.01 and still am fumbling with 3.x interface
[07-Dec-2010 09:04:27] <Simon4> ah, got it
[07-Dec-2010 09:04:31] <Simon4> what a f**king palava
[07-Dec-2010 09:04:45] <Simon4> kokey: listen very carefully, I vill say zis only once
[07-Dec-2010 09:04:48] <kokey> i guess you have to create a template elsewhere
[07-Dec-2010 09:04:52] <kokey> and then bind it
[07-Dec-2010 09:04:55] <Simon4> go to Advanced
[07-Dec-2010 09:05:03] <Simon4> then click on "Monitoring Templates"
[07-Dec-2010 09:05:07] <Simon4> wait for list of templates to load
[07-Dec-2010 09:05:27] <Simon4> click on the name of the template you care about, and it should expand to show you the places that that template is "overridden"
[07-Dec-2010 09:05:53] <Simon4> click on the one you want to override, click the gear menu, select "override template"
[07-Dec-2010 09:06:15] <Simon4> pick where you want to place your "overridden template" (i.e. the dev class where you want to make changes to it)
[07-Dec-2010 09:06:19] <Simon4> hit okay
[07-Dec-2010 09:06:22] <Simon4> ... profit!
[07-Dec-2010 09:06:23] <jmp242> That is quite convoluted - I hope they remember to fix this in later versions
[07-Dec-2010 09:06:31] <jmp242> Simon4: can I add that to the ForumFAQ part 2?
[07-Dec-2010 09:06:31] <kokey> cool
[07-Dec-2010 09:06:31] * Simon4 dies a little inside
[07-Dec-2010 09:06:45] <Simon4> jmp242: heh, go for it 
[07-Dec-2010 09:06:56] <kokey> yeah it was actually reasonable intuitive once i found the monitoring templates thing under advanced
[07-Dec-2010 09:07:28] <jmp242> lol
[07-Dec-2010 09:07:37] <jmp242> nevermind, I should check my own faq occasionally
[07-Dec-2010 09:07:38] <jmp242> docs/DOC-4724#HowdoIcopytemplatesinZenoss3
[07-Dec-2010 09:07:42] <Simon4> heh
[07-Dec-2010 09:07:59] <jmp242> I thought that was something I had figured out before - I remembered the gear icon
[07-Dec-2010 09:08:05] <kokey> hehe
[07-Dec-2010 09:08:06] <kokey> oh
[07-Dec-2010 09:08:17] <jmp242> but why it didn't give the option when looking at the Infrastructure tab I'll never know
[07-Dec-2010 09:08:26] <Simon4> changing the "group by" to device class vs template it's a bit more intuative also
[07-Dec-2010 09:08:38] <kokey> another snag, once you've created the new template you have to make sure you select it first before editing it or else you modify the original
[07-Dec-2010 09:08:50] <Simon4> heh
[07-Dec-2010 09:10:09] <jmp242> I've found it's always a good idea to check a few times what Zenoss thinks you're editing vs what you think you're doing
[07-Dec-2010 09:11:41] <kokey> hehe
[07-Dec-2010 09:11:42] <kokey> yeah
[07-Dec-2010 09:33:27] <csabo> lmao, IBMs webchat support is called "IBMs Virtual Innovation Center"
[07-Dec-2010 09:33:48] <csabo> its so fun finding things on their page
[07-Dec-2010 09:41:58] <csabo> rmatte: you here mate
[07-Dec-2010 09:46:49] <rmatte> yup
[07-Dec-2010 09:46:54] <rmatte> just got in
[07-Dec-2010 09:51:22] <csabo> hey, so im looking at the boxes of DVDs for the ITM install stuff, and im just overwhelmed, its literally over 30 dvds
[07-Dec-2010 09:51:49] <csabo> I know Jane has some exp, with tivoli, i dont want anyone to do my work for me, i just dont even know where to begin with figuring out wtf all these discs are, where the files i need are..ect
[07-Dec-2010 09:51:55] <csabo> do you know of a good way to get ahold of her/
[07-Dec-2010 09:51:59] <csabo> without like, stalking her
[07-Dec-2010 09:53:09] <jmp242> Try her website?
[07-Dec-2010 09:53:21] <jmp242> or e-mail her
[07-Dec-2010 09:53:23] <Simon4> tivoli is... fun 
[07-Dec-2010 09:53:34] <csabo> Yeah i found her email on google, from skills 1st
[07-Dec-2010 09:53:44] <csabo> but i didnt want to intrude and just email her like that
[07-Dec-2010 09:53:55] <csabo> that just feels rude, since im asking her for help
[07-Dec-2010 09:54:11] <csabo> im trying to find IBMs support for this product right now, i keep ending up in circles
[07-Dec-2010 09:54:24] <csabo> Simon4: you've used it?
[07-Dec-2010 09:54:50] <Simon4> csabo: not in the last 8 years, no
[07-Dec-2010 09:54:51] <csabo> do you know of a redbook or whitepaper that basically explains the architecture of the product?
[07-Dec-2010 09:55:01] <csabo> im looking at a package of 11 dvds called agent support files
[07-Dec-2010 09:55:01] <Simon4> which product is it?
[07-Dec-2010 09:55:06] <csabo> Tivoli monitoring
[07-Dec-2010 09:55:20] <csabo> things like seeding agent support to products, wtf does that even mean
[07-Dec-2010 09:55:37] <csabo> i am trying to relate the hundreds of pages of PDFs i've read to previous experience
[07-Dec-2010 09:55:38] <csabo> and its impossible
[07-Dec-2010 09:56:30] <rmatte> csabo: email her
[07-Dec-2010 09:56:54] <rmatte> or send her a message on the community site
[07-Dec-2010 09:58:54] <csabo> crap i just emaile dher
[07-Dec-2010 09:59:02] * csabo throws ITM dvds at rmatte
[07-Dec-2010 09:59:23] <csabo> i've got plenty, reminds me of futurama with zoidburg (oh a liver! "take, i have more")
[07-Dec-2010 10:01:40] <csabo> tough crowd today
[07-Dec-2010 10:01:49] <csabo> you humans, always looking down on us zoidbergs
[07-Dec-2010 10:02:07] <ericenns> I keep getting zenrender heartbeat failures but I don't know why
[07-Dec-2010 10:02:41] <ericenns> looked at the zenrender logs and nothing noticable there
[07-Dec-2010 10:02:49] <csabo> clear the heartbeats
[07-Dec-2010 10:02:51] <csabo> it happens
[07-Dec-2010 10:03:16] <ericenns> how do I clear the heartbeats I deleted the events but they come back
[07-Dec-2010 10:03:27] <ericenns> every minute
[07-Dec-2010 10:04:15] <csabo> i dont remember, one sec ill look
[07-Dec-2010 10:04:17] <csabo> you in 3.x?
[07-Dec-2010 10:04:21] <ericenns> yes
[07-Dec-2010 10:05:06] <csabo> k
[07-Dec-2010 10:05:17] <csabo> Events > Event Manager > Gear > clear all heartbeats
[07-Dec-2010 10:06:22] <ericenns> that looks like it did it
[07-Dec-2010 10:06:33] <ericenns> thanks
[07-Dec-2010 10:07:05] <csabo> np
[07-Dec-2010 10:08:54] ericenns is now known as ericenns_
[07-Dec-2010 10:09:43] ericenns_ is now known as ericenns
[07-Dec-2010 10:36:33] brandonleach_ is now known as brandonleach
[07-Dec-2010 10:42:22] <ericenns> hey rmatte what version of ubuntu are you using
[07-Dec-2010 10:52:06] <Simon4> hmm, joyous zenoss snmpv3 bug
[07-Dec-2010 10:52:21] <Simon4> tcpdump sees the "you got your auth wrong" packet, zenoss ignores it and zenmodeler just hangs 
[07-Dec-2010 10:54:31] <rmatte> ericenns: 10.04 on the box I was testing on
[07-Dec-2010 10:54:39] <rmatte> ericenns: but I have 8.04 in production
[07-Dec-2010 11:25:01] <ericenns> rmatte: k thanks
[07-Dec-2010 11:25:51] <csabo> Jane responded with a nice long email
[07-Dec-2010 11:26:24] <Simon4> which boiled down to "run away!"
[07-Dec-2010 11:26:26] <Simon4> ?
[07-Dec-2010 11:26:41] <csabo> haha no, not quite, but close 
[07-Dec-2010 11:26:53] <zykes-> is there any plans for integrate device history
[07-Dec-2010 11:26:54] <zykes-> to zenoss ?
[07-Dec-2010 11:27:02] <csabo> she provided translations for IBMs terminology, to real world stuff
[07-Dec-2010 11:27:03] <csabo> and zenoss
[07-Dec-2010 11:27:08] <zykes-> so you can get more detailed device change history
[07-Dec-2010 11:27:08] <csabo> which helped
[07-Dec-2010 11:28:36] <csabo> zykes-:
[07-Dec-2010 11:28:51] <zykes-> csabo: ?
[07-Dec-2010 11:28:57] <csabo> zykes-: ??
[07-Dec-2010 11:29:01] <zykes-> what ?
[07-Dec-2010 11:29:06] <csabo> who?
[07-Dec-2010 11:29:17] <rmatte> "We've got a situation here!"
[07-Dec-2010 11:29:25] * csabo enters it into his situation console
[07-Dec-2010 11:29:37] <rmatte> 
[07-Dec-2010 11:29:47] <csabo> i did do somthing pretty lulz
[07-Dec-2010 11:30:09] <csabo> i setup an action for the test windows boxes, it just runs notepad
[07-Dec-2010 11:30:26] <csabo> step2 launch notepad randomly on my coworkers PC
[07-Dec-2010 11:30:33] <csabo> step 3) profit
[07-Dec-2010 11:30:56] <csabo> the command stuff up front looks pretty basic rmatte
[07-Dec-2010 11:31:08] <rmatte> lol
[07-Dec-2010 11:31:16] <csabo> you can actually just type a command in like you would to a runbox, or a cmd prompt, they have a "system command" option which is pretty neat
[07-Dec-2010 11:31:29] <rmatte> cool
[07-Dec-2010 11:31:42] <csabo> yeah, getting it to run one in response to an event, is another story, working on that now 
[07-Dec-2010 11:31:45] <csabo> im sorry, a situation
[07-Dec-2010 11:31:48] <csabo> I dont have events
[07-Dec-2010 11:32:03] <rmatte> lol
[07-Dec-2010 11:33:08] <csabo> wow
[07-Dec-2010 11:33:17] <csabo> the situation editor, is epic
[07-Dec-2010 11:33:34] <csabo> the condition selection is huge, every possible thing you can think of in windows or on a pc, can be added
[07-Dec-2010 11:34:22] <rmatte> cool
[07-Dec-2010 11:34:33] <csabo> yeah, this is actually very neat
[07-Dec-2010 11:34:44] <csabo> i shall screenshot
[07-Dec-2010 11:37:56] <csabo> rmatte: http://imgur.com/q2Ufc.jpg
[07-Dec-2010 11:38:48] <rmatte> cool
[07-Dec-2010 11:43:32] <csabo> wow you can even fill in a field called "Expert advice"
[07-Dec-2010 11:43:44] <csabo> so if you want errors sent to helpdeks, you can provide step by step fix instructions with it
[07-Dec-2010 11:45:01] <csabo> looks they even provide some
[07-Dec-2010 11:45:27] <rmatte> cool
[07-Dec-2010 11:45:43] <csabo> that would be helpful if you can dedicate the time to providing that information
[07-Dec-2010 11:46:00] <csabo> i suppose you could do that in zenoss, with seperate emails
[07-Dec-2010 12:01:38] <rmatte> yeh
[07-Dec-2010 12:01:42] <rmatte> or with transforms
[07-Dec-2010 12:01:47] <rmatte> just have it added to the event message
[07-Dec-2010 12:02:01] <rmatte> I've done that for a couple events
[07-Dec-2010 12:16:40] <kokey> i wonder if i hit a bug in zenoss 3.0.3
[07-Dec-2010 12:17:05] <kokey> seems like the event detail link sent over email gets a json error if the user's browser is not logged in already
[07-Dec-2010 12:17:48] <rmatte> could be
[07-Dec-2010 12:18:28] <kokey> it's either like that or becomes like that if i change the hostname of the server
[07-Dec-2010 12:21:04] <forsberg> sorry to interrupt, sup rmatte, did you and eric figure out something last night ?
[07-Dec-2010 12:21:37] <kokey> yeah it looks like it's only an issue with viewDetail?evid=whatever when it's not logged in
[07-Dec-2010 12:31:15] <rmatte> forsberg: not as far as I'm aware
[07-Dec-2010 12:31:29] <rmatte> forsberg: he was going to look at it last night, I can't since my monitor at home is busted
[07-Dec-2010 12:31:51] <rmatte> I'm too busy to look at it today but I do definitely want to fix it, so I'll get back to it soon enough
[07-Dec-2010 12:34:17] <forsberg> yeah yeah, super, just had to ask  I really appreciate it hehe, all my private shit is on an esxi now and also very interesting for work to be able to use it properly 
[07-Dec-2010 12:34:28] <rmatte> yeh
[07-Dec-2010 12:34:38] <rmatte> we've been wanting vmware monitoring support for quite a while now
[07-Dec-2010 12:35:52] <rmatte> I hate when people just randomly point devices to trap back to Zenoss and don't check to make sure that the device isn't spamming the hell out of it
[07-Dec-2010 12:39:05] <rmatte> delete from history where device like "SPAMMASTER";
[07-Dec-2010 12:40:53] <forsberg> ^^
[07-Dec-2010 12:45:40] <sytem> i add "limit 200000" to delete-queries and run them while there is something to remove
[07-Dec-2010 12:46:21] <rmatte> meh
[07-Dec-2010 12:46:33] <rmatte> I'm not a super SQL guy, I just know enough
[07-Dec-2010 12:47:43] <sytem> me either
[07-Dec-2010 12:48:22] <sytem> just have found out that queries trying to remove to much will fail, and cause rollback
[07-Dec-2010 12:48:48] <rmatte> ah
[07-Dec-2010 13:37:03] <jmp242> rmatte: do you happen to know if I wanted to change the Zenoss user MySQL password - where would I do it so it could still save events?
[07-Dec-2010 13:37:10] <jmp242> in 3.x
[07-Dec-2010 13:43:03] <rmatte> jmp242: Events -> Event Manager
[07-Dec-2010 13:43:03] <rmatte> same as in 2.5
[07-Dec-2010 13:43:03] <rmatte> you'd have to change the password in mysql as well though
[07-Dec-2010 13:43:07] <rmatte> that's just the place to tell Zenoss what the password is, not to actually change it
[07-Dec-2010 13:43:20] <jmp242> right - and silly me
[07-Dec-2010 13:43:29] <jmp242> I thought it'd be in Advanced -> something
[07-Dec-2010 13:43:30] <jmp242> lol
[07-Dec-2010 13:43:33] <rmatte> lol
[07-Dec-2010 13:43:58] <jmp242> If anyone from Zenoss reads these things, they really ought to put Event Manager in the config screens
[07-Dec-2010 13:44:12] <rmatte> well, it relates to events
[07-Dec-2010 13:44:15] <rmatte> hence the events screen
[07-Dec-2010 13:44:16] <rmatte> lol
[07-Dec-2010 13:46:13] <forsberg> :9
[07-Dec-2010 13:54:22] <jmp242> Well, the predictive threshold installed in 3.0.2 anyway - let me select it as a threshold type, but I can't figure out how to get in to the settings like the screen shots show. I'm guessing this has to do with what we talked about yesterday on here for the gui definitions or changed file names or something
[07-Dec-2010 13:54:25] <jmp242> any ideas?
[07-Dec-2010 13:58:00] <rmatte> for new ZenPacks, they need to have a interfaces.py, info.py, and configure.zcml file in them to display new interface components
[07-Dec-2010 13:58:19] <rmatte> whereas the old ones just needed a skin file
[07-Dec-2010 13:58:29] <rmatte> and you need both to make it cross-compatible
[07-Dec-2010 13:58:43] <jmp242> So like docs/DOC-10073#d0e8189
[07-Dec-2010 13:58:50] <jmp242> what they say in their zenpack conversion page
[07-Dec-2010 13:58:53] <rmatte> so if no interfaces, info, or configure files have been authored for it, and it has UI components, it's guaranteed not to work
[07-Dec-2010 13:59:27] <rmatte> yup
[07-Dec-2010 13:59:43] <jmp242> Great.
[07-Dec-2010 14:25:33] <jmp242> well, don't know how to make predictive thresholds work, but did get upgraded to 3.0.3 !
[07-Dec-2010 14:25:36] <jmp242> yay
[07-Dec-2010 14:29:27] <rmatte> good day Nick
[07-Dec-2010 14:50:11] <csabo> haha
[07-Dec-2010 14:50:26] <csabo> rmatte:  i created a task to run ccleaner in silent mode against windows machines
[07-Dec-2010 14:50:40] <nyeates> hola ryan
[07-Dec-2010 14:50:46] <csabo> sup nick
[07-Dec-2010 14:51:04] <nyeates> had a good first LUG presentation of zenoss last night
[07-Dec-2010 14:51:14] <csabo> nice
[07-Dec-2010 14:51:17] <jmp242> cool
[07-Dec-2010 14:52:02] <nyeates> 3 ppl were super interested, 2 walked out, and the rest of the 15 were mildly interested
[07-Dec-2010 14:52:14] <jmp242> I'm amazed more people aren't interested
[07-Dec-2010 14:52:25] <nyeates> the 2 that walked out grilled me on why do we use zope and mysql...apparently they think that these are components of the past
[07-Dec-2010 14:52:51] <jmp242> Though when I gave a presentation on our Assets server running OSS (OCSNG, GLPI, Zenoss) at HEPIX and thought people would be interested in zenoss and biased the presentation on that
[07-Dec-2010 14:53:08] <jmp242> the only questions were about OCSNG lol
[07-Dec-2010 14:53:13] <csabo> ocsng
[07-Dec-2010 14:53:14] <csabo> ?
[07-Dec-2010 14:53:15] <jmp242> which I just touched on
[07-Dec-2010 14:53:31] <jmp242> http://www.ocsinventory-ng.org/
[07-Dec-2010 14:53:40] <nyeates> yeah its hard to present not know what your audience wants
[07-Dec-2010 14:54:07] <jmp242> The zope and mysql people
[07-Dec-2010 14:54:17] <jmp242> what did they think were the stuff of the future then
[07-Dec-2010 14:54:18] <jmp242> ??
[07-Dec-2010 14:54:23] <rmatte> nyeates: your answer for next time is that nothing else was around when the project was started 
[07-Dec-2010 14:54:24] <jmp242> Postgres?
[07-Dec-2010 14:54:43] <csabo> neat product
[07-Dec-2010 14:54:49] <csabo> hard to setup?
[07-Dec-2010 14:54:55] <rmatte> People have come in here asking why you don't use plone, over and over
[07-Dec-2010 14:55:03] <nyeates> hahaha rmatte....likely that is the *real* answer....but really we make it scale pretty big
[07-Dec-2010 14:55:04] <rmatte> Plone didn't exist when Zenoss was created
[07-Dec-2010 14:55:17] <rmatte> I personally like Zope
[07-Dec-2010 14:55:18] <jmp242> csabo - is that to me re OCSNG?
[07-Dec-2010 14:55:23] <nyeates> i guess they were maybe refering to like ruby on rales and nosql stuff
[07-Dec-2010 14:55:26] <csabo> jmp242:  yup
[07-Dec-2010 14:55:29] <rmatte> ah
[07-Dec-2010 14:55:35] <jmp242> if so, it's just an agent install and a server install
[07-Dec-2010 14:55:49] <jmp242> run the server on Linux and the appropriate agent(s) and it's pretty easy
[07-Dec-2010 14:56:13] <jmp242> The problem is like Zenoss Core there's no ACLs to speak of
[07-Dec-2010 14:56:19] <nyeates> they were asking like why is zenoss so hard and it goes overboard....i think they are probly trying to run a small shop and were frustrated by the power (and learning curve) zenoss wields
[07-Dec-2010 14:56:24] <csabo> ah
[07-Dec-2010 14:56:52] <csabo> its FUGLY
[07-Dec-2010 14:56:56] <jmp242> but add GLPI for the user interface (lol) and it has full ACL and lots of stuff - it just imports the data from OCSNG
[07-Dec-2010 14:56:56] <jmp242> there's also Fusion Inventory
[07-Dec-2010 14:57:05] <jmp242> that may skip OCSNG entirely later on
[07-Dec-2010 14:57:08] <nyeates> i told rusty, those guys can go use whats up gold
[07-Dec-2010 14:57:19] <csabo> does it support BITS on windows?
[07-Dec-2010 14:57:22] <jmp242> ehh, Zenoss wasn't pretty when I started using it either
[07-Dec-2010 14:57:23] <nyeates> rusty is another employee here...head of support
[07-Dec-2010 14:57:26] <dec3pti01> this might be a silly question but perhaps someone here knows... I have ntpMonitor installed and I would like to have it alert if the offset is higher than 10ms
[07-Dec-2010 14:57:38] <jmp242> I care about functionality
[07-Dec-2010 14:57:55] <jmp242> csabo - no it does it's own downloading, doesn't use BITS
[07-Dec-2010 14:57:57] <dec3pti01> do I need to setup the threshold which right now has none ?
[07-Dec-2010 14:58:01] <csabo> jmp242:  :-\
[07-Dec-2010 14:58:17] <jmp242> well, it's a unix port more or less
[07-Dec-2010 14:58:18] <csabo> jmp242:  hows that work over slow wan links and site to site / mpls..ect
[07-Dec-2010 14:58:33] <nyeates> dec: im not intimate with ntpMonitor, but does it have a datapoint already for the offset?
[07-Dec-2010 14:58:41] <csabo> jmp242:  im asking because i iknow someone who could use it
[07-Dec-2010 14:58:45] <jmp242> Well, I just use it at one site, but you can break up the packages to whatever size you want
[07-Dec-2010 14:58:51] <jmp242> and set in delays etc
[07-Dec-2010 14:59:01] <jmp242> it will re-download any part that fails
[07-Dec-2010 14:59:18] <jmp242> you can also set up distributed file servers with it so they dl it and the clients get the package from the local server
[07-Dec-2010 14:59:18] <csabo> throttling/
[07-Dec-2010 14:59:34] <csabo> ?*
[07-Dec-2010 14:59:36] <jmp242> and if you use the compatible FusionInventory client, it does P2P distribution
[07-Dec-2010 14:59:43] <jmp242> no throttling that I know of though
[07-Dec-2010 14:59:43] <csabo> nice
[07-Dec-2010 15:00:17] <jmp242> It's a true OSS product lol - there's a bit of a fork going on with the agent right now
[07-Dec-2010 15:00:26] <nyeates> dec3pti01: did u see my questions?
[07-Dec-2010 15:00:34] <jmp242> the "official" one doesn't do Win 7 x64, but the Fusion one does
[07-Dec-2010 15:00:45] <nyeates> question, rather
[07-Dec-2010 15:00:45] <csabo> oh nice
[07-Dec-2010 15:01:24] <jmp242> We use them for all our distribution needs, though eventually I hope to get to use Puppet
[07-Dec-2010 15:01:24] <dec3pti01> nyeates: sorry it does have a datapoint
[07-Dec-2010 15:01:44] <jmp242> once it has decent Windows support and a single binary (I hope in 2.7 ish)
[07-Dec-2010 15:02:10] <csabo> Cool
[07-Dec-2010 15:02:24] <csabo> ever used shavlik?
[07-Dec-2010 15:02:30] <nyeates> dec3pti01: ok if it has a datapoint, just set a minmaxthreshold type in the graph definitions screen
[07-Dec-2010 15:02:31] <rmatte> Zenoss has a learning curve, but you can do basically anything with it once you learn
[07-Dec-2010 15:02:36] <dec3pti01> nyeates: but it doesn't have any indication that it alerts once it goes over a certain value
[07-Dec-2010 15:02:49] <jmp242> nope
[07-Dec-2010 15:02:57] <dec3pti01> nyeates: cool
[07-Dec-2010 15:03:13] <csabo> jmp242:  quite expensive, i think it was 6 figures but it was pretty nice
[07-Dec-2010 15:03:18] <jmp242> If you couldn't tell, I'm a big OSS fan
[07-Dec-2010 15:03:32] <jmp242> as well as someone who wants to use the same tools on Windows, Linux, and Mac when possible
[07-Dec-2010 15:03:36] <nyeates> dec3pti01: yes, so go into the template (do you know how to do this?) and add in a new threshold, and also add the threshold to the existing graph
[07-Dec-2010 15:03:38] <csabo> jmp242:  could deploy software, update software, push windows patches, run reports, and vuln/security checks
[07-Dec-2010 15:04:03] <nyeates> dec3pti01: then test it. Make it go above, see it on the graph, and look for the event
[07-Dec-2010 15:04:09] <csabo> very granular with groups and such
[07-Dec-2010 15:04:10] <jmp242> Working at a research lab funded by grants, 4 figures is possible - sometimes. more than that and ... good luck lol
[07-Dec-2010 15:04:20] <csabo> 
[07-Dec-2010 15:04:20] <nyeates> dec3pti01: thresholds show as a red line in graphs
[07-Dec-2010 15:04:38] <dec3pti01> nyeates: cool thanks will do that now and test it out
[07-Dec-2010 15:04:47] <jmp242> We had a quote from CFengine in the low 5 figures and basically said, no thanks
[07-Dec-2010 15:05:58] <csabo> gotcha
[07-Dec-2010 15:06:11] <csabo> i didnt pick out shavlik for what its worth  it was there when i got there
[07-Dec-2010 15:06:14] <jmp242> I am trying to see if I can get acceptable pricing from powerbroker though
[07-Dec-2010 15:06:16] <nyeates> enterprise Z is probably low 5 figures....u can get lucky with 4 figures tho
[07-Dec-2010 15:06:18] <csabo> i was just tasked with setting it up
[07-Dec-2010 15:06:30] <csabo> nyeates:  Z as in zenoss?
[07-Dec-2010 15:06:37] <csabo> pfft, starts at 25 grand buddy
[07-Dec-2010 15:06:42] <nyeates> yes
[07-Dec-2010 15:06:49] <nyeates> depends
[07-Dec-2010 15:06:55] <csabo> on what
[07-Dec-2010 15:06:56] <jmp242> Starts at 25 grand? Last I saw it was like $100k
[07-Dec-2010 15:06:58] <nyeates> on what u are doing with it
[07-Dec-2010 15:07:07] <csabo> min 100 nodes, 250 per node
[07-Dec-2010 15:07:12] <csabo> so your website says
[07-Dec-2010 15:07:26] <jmp242> plus we like to monitor lots of stuff and do like the non thinking about licenses
[07-Dec-2010 15:07:30] <nyeates> hmmm, maybe i havent seen what sales guys have as their criteria lately
[07-Dec-2010 15:07:53] <jmp242> we're already over a barrel with stuff like Microwave Studio --- pain!!!
[07-Dec-2010 15:07:59] <nyeates> they are pushing higher, but can do lower if needed....edu might get a 4 figure deal...likely not anymore tho
[07-Dec-2010 15:08:00] <csabo> nyeates:  im already bitter about it,  i offered fully fund development of a MUCH needed feature, and they wouldnt do it for 2 reasons
[07-Dec-2010 15:08:03] <jmp242> And Autodesk Inventor
[07-Dec-2010 15:08:18] <csabo> nyeates: 1st, i wanted what they wrote to be provided in the free version not just enterprise.. they said "F OFF"
[07-Dec-2010 15:08:33] <rmatte> nyeates: the pricing is pretty high for smaller clients, you really need to be a large client to make it worthwhile
[07-Dec-2010 15:08:34] <csabo> nyeates: 2nd, they will only discuss paid feature development if you're already an enterprise customer
[07-Dec-2010 15:08:50] <nyeates> rmatte: yeah
[07-Dec-2010 15:09:23] <jmp242> csabo: I'm surprised on not wanting to release a paid for feature if the client wanted to... I thought they did that
[07-Dec-2010 15:09:37] <rmatte> csabo: they do paid feature development for non-ms clients
[07-Dec-2010 15:09:50] <csabo> rmatte:  MS?
[07-Dec-2010 15:09:53] <jmp242> I wonder if there's any third party devs willing to work on zenpacks
[07-Dec-2010 15:09:57] <csabo> jmp242:  i was too, i was very dissapointed
[07-Dec-2010 15:09:59] <rmatte> non-enterprise
[07-Dec-2010 15:10:01] <rmatte> rather
[07-Dec-2010 15:10:05] <csabo> rmatte: no, they dont
[07-Dec-2010 15:10:09] <csabo> i talked to them about it
[07-Dec-2010 15:10:14] <rmatte> csabo: I've seen them do it man
[07-Dec-2010 15:10:22] <csabo> or they may now, they didnt 4 months ago
[07-Dec-2010 15:10:24] <rmatte> they did it for some US government agency, I forget which
[07-Dec-2010 15:10:29] <csabo> lol
[07-Dec-2010 15:10:29] <rmatte> and they were running core
[07-Dec-2010 15:10:33] <csabo> the govt sure
[07-Dec-2010 15:10:37] <csabo> thats a big future sale
[07-Dec-2010 15:10:46] <nyeates> csabo: sorry to hear yer frustrations man. I am not too privvy of your conversations with us. I do imagine there are reasons we cant do certain things.
[07-Dec-2010 15:11:12] <jmp242> I imagine Zenoss is just quite busy
[07-Dec-2010 15:11:17] <nyeates> mostly it doenst make sense for us to get into making customizations for things that wont be useful to a vast majority of our customers.... u have to recall that we are venture backed
[07-Dec-2010 15:11:26] <csabo> nyeates: its alright, its your companies loss, the feature was monitoring by DNS name, not IP.. like nagios can do
[07-Dec-2010 15:11:32] <rmatte> nyeates: If you guys sold enterprize with no support, or pay per-support at a really low price, you'd have a lot more customers hehe
[07-Dec-2010 15:11:32] <nyeates> that puts different kinds of pressures on a company, than a company that is funded in other way
[07-Dec-2010 15:11:44] <csabo> nyeates:  i ended up writing a script that wipes out stored IPs for devices in a specific class, and re-resolves...
[07-Dec-2010 15:12:12] <mray> pay per-support will never fly
[07-Dec-2010 15:12:18] <mray> nobody sane does that
[07-Dec-2010 15:12:20] <csabo> mray:  the man!
[07-Dec-2010 15:12:30] <mray> you only end up with the worst of the worst problems
[07-Dec-2010 15:12:32] <rmatte> mray: then just no support at a lower price
[07-Dec-2010 15:12:44] <csabo> per incident isnt a bad thing
[07-Dec-2010 15:12:45] <rmatte> mray: which is no extra stress on Zenoss as a company, but generates extra revenue
[07-Dec-2010 15:12:58] <csabo> yeah id pay for an ent version with no support
[07-Dec-2010 15:13:09] <jmp242> Plenty of companies do sell a product separate from a support contract
[07-Dec-2010 15:13:11] <csabo> or do a modular style
[07-Dec-2010 15:13:14] <mray> rmatte: I'd made the suggestion, I am no longer privvy to the roadmap 
[07-Dec-2010 15:13:15] <jmp242> look at, say, Acronis for instance
[07-Dec-2010 15:13:20] <csabo> let us buy enterprise zenpacks seperatly
[07-Dec-2010 15:13:25] <csabo> i love acronis
[07-Dec-2010 15:13:42] <csabo> sell stuff like Untangle does
[07-Dec-2010 15:13:44] <jmp242> I love Acronis also, but hate their licensing department - bunch of a cluster**** for me lol
[07-Dec-2010 15:13:45] <mray> csabo: you could do per-incident if you made it crazy expensive
[07-Dec-2010 15:13:47] <nyeates> acronis enterprise succkkks
[07-Dec-2010 15:14:12] <rmatte> I think he's more referring to the sale model rather than the product's performance
[07-Dec-2010 15:14:42] <nyeates> i too like the idea of an enterprise zenpack store....i think management has taken it into consideration, but likely not the way we are going
[07-Dec-2010 15:15:14] <csabo> it is what it is, you make a very good product
[07-Dec-2010 15:15:16] <rmatte> but yeh, if you guys offered an unlimited enterprise license with no support for like $10,000/year people would be picking it up left right and center.
[07-Dec-2010 15:15:22] <csabo> that lacks reasons to actually pay for it
[07-Dec-2010 15:15:30] <nyeates> acronis enterprise product is good in theory, but didnt work on linux, acronis enterprise support sucked more,
[07-Dec-2010 15:15:31] <csabo> +1 rmatte
[07-Dec-2010 15:16:01] <csabo> nyeates:  what about an SaaS model?
[07-Dec-2010 15:16:34] <nyeates> a few of us in support were trying to push for that....again, i dont think its happening anytime soon
[07-Dec-2010 15:16:52] <csabo> sounds like no one on the support end likes management
[07-Dec-2010 15:17:03] <nyeates> mmm, not true
[07-Dec-2010 15:17:08] <csabo> i dont mean from a personality standpoint
[07-Dec-2010 15:17:41] <nyeates> for a bit, mgmt didnt communicate what they were doing....for me, its getting better, im hearing more...and im trying to help disiminate
[07-Dec-2010 15:18:14] <csabo> how long have you worked there
[07-Dec-2010 15:18:21] <nyeates> 2 yrs
[07-Dec-2010 15:18:30] <jmp242> Hmmm, I haven't tried using Acronis for Linux really
[07-Dec-2010 15:18:39] <nyeates> dont do it james
[07-Dec-2010 15:18:44] <rmatte> you must have started there just after I first started using Zenoss 
[07-Dec-2010 15:18:52] <jmp242> but it's great for Windows and support is better than I've had with many companies
[07-Dec-2010 15:19:22] <jmp242> I've found it much better than Symantec Ghost for instance
[07-Dec-2010 15:19:27] <jmp242> even though I could get that much cheaper lol
[07-Dec-2010 15:19:32] <nyeates> hah....support in the forums is part of your making james :-) thanks btw for all u done
[07-Dec-2010 15:19:46] <nyeates> oh u mean for acronis
[07-Dec-2010 15:19:47] <jmp242> no problem, I like to give back when I can
[07-Dec-2010 15:19:55] <jmp242> err, well yes acronis
[07-Dec-2010 15:20:24] <jmp242> Zenoss support is great also
[07-Dec-2010 15:20:33] <nyeates> acronis windows....amazing, yes
[07-Dec-2010 15:20:51] <jmp242> On linux we never need to do the image style stuff
[07-Dec-2010 15:21:04] <jmp242> it's just a different culture than Windows here at the lab
[07-Dec-2010 15:21:22] <csabo> i've used mondo archive for my linux boxes
[07-Dec-2010 15:21:35] <csabo> but i rarely do images of them
[07-Dec-2010 15:21:45] <csabo> jmp242:  do you use the chain backup method in newer acronis versions?
[07-Dec-2010 15:21:56] <jmp242> ?
[07-Dec-2010 15:22:01] <jmp242> chain backup?
[07-Dec-2010 15:22:13] <jmp242> Do you mean the plans like GFS and Tower of Hanoi?
[07-Dec-2010 15:22:15] <csabo> yeah, its their own thing, instead of just full/inc/diff
[07-Dec-2010 15:22:27] <csabo> nah sec ill find the exact description
[07-Dec-2010 15:22:43] <jmp242> I've used Grandfather Father Son (GFS - love the overloaded TLAs)
[07-Dec-2010 15:22:48] <csabo> its called version chain
[07-Dec-2010 15:22:51] <jmp242> it works great if you've got the disk space
[07-Dec-2010 15:23:00] <jmp242> I've only used Advanced Workstation myself
[07-Dec-2010 15:23:16] <nyeates> i was trying to setup a acronis central server (not sure what they call it), and get win servers and linux servers alike to all backup to the central server....the central server wouldnt get backups from windows (it was spotty), and linux would get seg faults
[07-Dec-2010 15:23:19] <jmp242> so if it's only in Server, I've not gotten the funding yet - $1k a box is too much as you might have guessed
[07-Dec-2010 15:23:32] <jmp242> Ahh, no I never used their backup server
[07-Dec-2010 15:23:45] <csabo> http://kb.acronis.com/content/13656
[07-Dec-2010 15:23:53] <jmp242> I loved the fact that I could just have them backup to a samba share on a bog standard nix box
[07-Dec-2010 15:24:04] <csabo> its pretty neat how it works, i've got a 500gb buffalo nas that all it does is hold the backups of the HTPC and the desktops in the house
[07-Dec-2010 15:24:07] <csabo> run once a week
[07-Dec-2010 15:24:37] <jmp242> Ok, yes that used to be called in B&R 10 a plan
[07-Dec-2010 15:24:40] <jmp242> GFS etc
[07-Dec-2010 15:24:45] <csabo> ah okay
[07-Dec-2010 15:24:45] <jmp242> or you could define your own
[07-Dec-2010 15:24:48] <csabo>  yeah
[07-Dec-2010 15:24:54] <csabo> its the default config choice for home so i left it hehe
[07-Dec-2010 15:24:57] <jmp242> that looks like it has some different defaults but otherwise the same
[07-Dec-2010 15:25:07] <jmp242> My problem was space
[07-Dec-2010 15:25:12] <csabo> yeah
[07-Dec-2010 15:25:19] <nyeates> im looking into crashplan and backblaze for my linux box 3tb raid at home
[07-Dec-2010 15:25:33] <jmp242> I wanted to use it for laptops, but ended up needing a 1:4 space for images
[07-Dec-2010 15:25:34] <csabo> backblaze?
[07-Dec-2010 15:25:44] <csabo> i'm using BSD and ZFS for my home storage
[07-Dec-2010 15:25:55] <csabo> anything of importance is on there, raidz1
[07-Dec-2010 15:25:56] <jmp242> I just trust FreeNAS and RaidZ2 for my 4.5TB
[07-Dec-2010 15:26:02] <jmp242> at home
[07-Dec-2010 15:26:05] <csabo> jmp242:  oh god stop using freenas
[07-Dec-2010 15:26:16] <jmp242> why? it's sooo easy and maintenance free
[07-Dec-2010 15:26:23] <csabo> let me rephrase, if you use the webgui in current freenas versions then stop
[07-Dec-2010 15:26:39] <jmp242> ummm, I set it up with that, but don't otherwise use it?
[07-Dec-2010 15:26:40] <csabo> i spoke to the guy who wrote the zfs portion of the webgui, he did it in a night, hasnt touched it sense
[07-Dec-2010 15:26:42] <jmp242> it just works
[07-Dec-2010 15:26:44] <csabo> jmp242:  then you're fine
[07-Dec-2010 15:26:56] <csabo> jmp242:  i was making changes from webgui, and it ruined my pool
[07-Dec-2010 15:27:12] <jmp242> ahh - well there's supposed to be an update when v8 comes out I think
[07-Dec-2010 15:27:13] <nyeates> what is raidz1 and 2
[07-Dec-2010 15:27:14] <csabo> jmp242:  if you use freenas, until 8 is stable, use zfs and zpool from ssh
[07-Dec-2010 15:27:21] <csabo> nyeates:  z1 = raid 5 z2 = raid6
[07-Dec-2010 15:27:24] <jmp242> I just plan on leaving it alone until that
[07-Dec-2010 15:27:36] <jmp242> well, raidz2 is dual stripe, but it's not really raid6
[07-Dec-2010 15:27:36] <csabo> jmp242:  8 is a 100% rewrite, no more monowall interface
[07-Dec-2010 15:27:50] <jmp242> It better support an upgrade is all I can say
[07-Dec-2010 15:27:54] <jmp242> or I'll be very sad
[07-Dec-2010 15:27:58] <csabo> jmp242: based on FBSD 8.1 release
[07-Dec-2010 15:28:13] <csabo> going from version like 8 of ZFS to im goin to guess at least 15 or 16
[07-Dec-2010 15:28:27] <csabo> jmp242:  even if you cant upgrade you can wipe the OS and just import your zfs pool, then upgrade it
[07-Dec-2010 15:28:32] <csabo> infact, i'd recommend you dont upgrade
[07-Dec-2010 15:28:33] <nyeates> i took all this time to learn mdadm and setup a nice raid5 at home....all to realize that i dont care about losing a drive....i need offsite backup....i care about losing the server, or deleting the wrong file
[07-Dec-2010 15:28:34] <jmp242> I'm so happy BSD got ZFS though
[07-Dec-2010 15:28:37] <csabo> zfs import <pool>
[07-Dec-2010 15:28:54] <csabo> then zfs upgrade 
[07-Dec-2010 15:28:54] <jmp242> because Open Solaris is dead as far as I can tell
[07-Dec-2010 15:29:01] <csabo> its offically dead
[07-Dec-2010 15:29:04] <csabo> been that way for a while
[07-Dec-2010 15:29:04] <jmp242> never really usable anyway for me - too picky on hardware
[07-Dec-2010 15:29:31] <jmp242> nyeats - disaster recovery I see, but it's just a media server for me
[07-Dec-2010 15:29:35] <csabo> jmp242:  theres a new project that is going to keep making osol, but its not offically sposnored
[07-Dec-2010 15:29:42] <csabo> i forget its name
[07-Dec-2010 15:29:49] <jmp242> but you can use snapshots in ZFS or whatever to protect against deletions
[07-Dec-2010 15:30:16] <csabo> does the version of zfs on freenas 7 even support the snapshotting/
[07-Dec-2010 15:30:19] <nyeates> i gave up ever trying ZFS when apple decided not to use it
[07-Dec-2010 15:30:39] <csabo> nyeates:  if you dont care about your data, then theres no need to use it
[07-Dec-2010 15:31:02] <csabo> its only benefit is its handling of data writing and cache, and being a transactional FS you are pretty much bullet proof
[07-Dec-2010 15:31:15] <nyeates> yes call me a fan boy....but i viewed it more as....if apple doesnt way this OSS, is that a good sign for it long term?
[07-Dec-2010 15:31:18] <csabo> i suppose the dynamic stripe is a bonus, if you dont use over 80% of your space
[07-Dec-2010 15:31:48] <csabo> nyeates: i cannot make a comment on that, apple isnt perfect, they just make good hardware
[07-Dec-2010 15:31:53] <jmp242> csabo: what happens if you go over 80%
[07-Dec-2010 15:32:05] <csabo> jmp242:  performance decrease, gets pretty bad :-\
[07-Dec-2010 15:32:09] <jmp242> Ahh
[07-Dec-2010 15:32:15] <csabo> jmp242:  due to the dynamic striping it uses
[07-Dec-2010 15:32:27] <csabo> i think it was 80% i'll have to double check
[07-Dec-2010 15:32:29] <jmp242> I guess I'll want to upgrade to 2TB disks sooner than I thought then, or just delete files sooner, but that's quite a hit
[07-Dec-2010 15:32:35] <jmp242> on useable space then
[07-Dec-2010 15:32:47] <csabo> well remember, you cannot upgrade a raidz<X>
[07-Dec-2010 15:32:55] <csabo> you can create another array and add to your pool
[07-Dec-2010 15:33:30] <jmp242> mmmm - can't just replace disks one at a time and rebuild the array?
[07-Dec-2010 15:33:51] <csabo> ah, that i dont know
[07-Dec-2010 15:33:57] <csabo> i thought you ment adding more disks 
[07-Dec-2010 15:34:01] <csabo> lemme look real quick
[07-Dec-2010 15:34:21] <jmp242> afk for a little while
[07-Dec-2010 15:34:31] <csabo> yes you can
[07-Dec-2010 15:34:44] <csabo> or so im reading
[07-Dec-2010 15:35:10] <nyeates> csabo: i didnt understand what u wrote. so u are saying ZFS is mostly useful for good data handling - like it will perform better and not get corrupt
[07-Dec-2010 15:35:37] <csabo> nyeates: correct, performance is better until you hit high capactiy, then perf goes down
[07-Dec-2010 15:35:52] <csabo> nyeates:  however its bascially bulletproof to data loss
[07-Dec-2010 15:36:00] <csabo> except for actual drive failures (multiple at once)
[07-Dec-2010 15:36:14] <csabo> i've tested, pulled drives while datas writing, it handles it like a champ
[07-Dec-2010 15:36:40] <nyeates> does it ease management? like in this situation where he wants to easily upgrade his array and usable space, and maintain the same properties of the array
[07-Dec-2010 15:36:40] <csabo> nyeates:  zfs uses 256bit checksums, end to end
[07-Dec-2010 15:37:11] <csabo> management is pretty good yeah, he can issue a replace command one disk at a time
[07-Dec-2010 15:37:38] <csabo> it would be 100x better if you could add additional drives to an array, but you cannot. you can add multiple sets/arrays to a single pool
[07-Dec-2010 15:37:57] <nyeates> which changes the properties of the data security yes?
[07-Dec-2010 15:38:13] <csabo> what do you mena?
[07-Dec-2010 15:38:14] <csabo> mean**
[07-Dec-2010 15:38:47] <nyeates> like now uv got multiple arrays instead of one...so maybe u can lose less drives b4 u have to worry
[07-Dec-2010 15:38:55] <nyeates> hmm, sorry hard for me to explain
[07-Dec-2010 15:39:06] <dec3pti01> hmm ok I set the threshold to 1 (just to test) which I assume is milisecons and I got an alert for offset -141 secs but that is so much higher than what ntpq reports for this box being alerted
[07-Dec-2010 15:39:29] <csabo> oh i see what you're asking nyeates no, if you are say in my shoes, with raizd1 (raid5) additional arrays in the pool wont secure that data anymore
[07-Dec-2010 15:39:50] <csabo> nyeates:  however, zfs does have disk cloning, and snapshots, so you could setup a 2nd raidz1 to snapshot your original to, yes
[07-Dec-2010 15:39:56] <nyeates> dec3pti01: get us a screenshot of your template setup
[07-Dec-2010 15:40:50] <nyeates> csabo: huh, ok
[07-Dec-2010 15:41:54] <csabo> very good filesystem, downsides include limited OS support (although still actively developed) it doesnt like a controller card managing the cache.. so if you use a controller, do it JBOD style
[07-Dec-2010 15:42:25] <nyeates> I might also might try Novells iFolder, which is free open source now....anyone experience iFolder? Its dropbox but you gotta set it all up and have a server and client on each participating comp
[07-Dec-2010 15:42:38] <csabo> why not use dropbox?
[07-Dec-2010 15:42:40] <csabo> seems like less work 
[07-Dec-2010 15:42:44] <nyeates> true
[07-Dec-2010 15:42:50] <nyeates> but i want to do it with 2 TB
[07-Dec-2010 15:43:01] <csabo> oh lol
[07-Dec-2010 15:43:08] <csabo> whats their pricing model for that?
[07-Dec-2010 15:43:17] <csabo> if you're keeping it internal, just use rysnc
[07-Dec-2010 15:43:18] <nyeates> OR, i could get rif of my HD movies....but itd still be 800Gigs and expenseive on dropbox
[07-Dec-2010 15:43:28] <csabo> www.rysnc.net
[07-Dec-2010 15:44:19] <nyeates> i dont think my wife would know how to add a folder to be rsynced when she makes a new music directory on her mac
[07-Dec-2010 15:44:22] <csabo> ^ heard good things about them if you want it external
[07-Dec-2010 15:44:32] <nyeates> unless it was all in the same folder structure i guess
[07-Dec-2010 15:45:18] <nyeates> are u meaning the linux rsync?
[07-Dec-2010 15:45:20] <nyeates> http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/
[07-Dec-2010 15:45:21] <jmp242> iFolder sucks - at least the last time I tried it
[07-Dec-2010 15:45:40] <jmp242> I wanted to use it to back up laptops to a local sync point that could then be backed up to tape
[07-Dec-2010 15:45:48] <jmp242> it would just stop working randomly
[07-Dec-2010 15:46:07] <jmp242> Finally, after no updates or fixes for a year, we gave up
[07-Dec-2010 15:46:07] <nyeates> jmp: what part of it would stop working? windows clients? or server side?
[07-Dec-2010 15:46:12] <jmp242> windows clients
[07-Dec-2010 15:46:26] <nyeates> wow, no change for a year....dead development eh
[07-Dec-2010 15:46:41] <jmp242> The server did seem to keep working, though we weren't sure as the clients seemed to glitch
[07-Dec-2010 15:47:00] * nyeates rethinks ifolder plans ... there needs to a be an easy DIY dropbox
[07-Dec-2010 15:47:07] <csabo> yeah
[07-Dec-2010 15:47:10] <csabo> rsync lol
[07-Dec-2010 15:47:15] <jmp242> Well, what about folder sync?
[07-Dec-2010 15:47:31] <jmp242> On Windows I use AllWaySync
[07-Dec-2010 15:47:35] <csabo> nyeates: http://alternativeto.net/software/dropbox/
[07-Dec-2010 15:47:40] <csabo> alterativeto.net = best site ever
[07-Dec-2010 15:47:45] <nyeates> yes, that is my fav site
[07-Dec-2010 15:48:00] <nyeates> i got on it and was like the 20th user
[07-Dec-2010 15:48:05] <jmp242> never heard of it before
[07-Dec-2010 15:48:07] <jmp242> 
[07-Dec-2010 15:48:09] <nyeates> gone back to it for years
[07-Dec-2010 15:48:10] <csabo> jmp242:  check it out
[07-Dec-2010 15:48:25] <jmp242> I always wonder if I want something like XXXX what it might be lol
[07-Dec-2010 15:48:42] <jmp242> Though I'd advise against Mozy too
[07-Dec-2010 15:49:05] <jmp242> I used it to back up files in the free version, had to reload WinXP and never could figure out how to get Mozy to let me download my files on the new OS
[07-Dec-2010 15:49:25] <nyeates> i saw this bad ass DIY 67TB server today: http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/
[07-Dec-2010 15:49:36] <csabo> lol
[07-Dec-2010 15:49:41] <nyeates> its from backblaze, a thing i found on alternativeto.net
[07-Dec-2010 15:49:42] <csabo> ah yes
[07-Dec-2010 15:49:53] <csabo> i forget who it was, i think rackspace
[07-Dec-2010 15:50:06] <csabo> they had an article like this ,they were using lots of budget hardware, in this ingenius setup
[07-Dec-2010 15:50:14] <csabo> no wait
[07-Dec-2010 15:50:20] <csabo> it was backblaze, this was the thing i read
[07-Dec-2010 15:50:20] <nyeates> backblaze wanted a way to provide $5 all u can backup cloud services....they had to make their own commodity-parts-driven servers
[07-Dec-2010 15:51:04] <nyeates> u can make it yerself...all parts are orderable...even the custom case design....u can make taht 67TB for $7800!
[07-Dec-2010 15:51:15] <csabo> lol
[07-Dec-2010 15:51:17] <csabo> fk thsat
[07-Dec-2010 15:51:37] <nyeates> well its good for businesses that want to get into the cloud business cheap
[07-Dec-2010 15:54:37] <csabo> Silicon Image SiI3726 chip
[07-Dec-2010 15:54:45] <csabo> god, the IO must be TERRIBLE on these things
[07-Dec-2010 15:55:34] <jmp242> Sil chips gave me a headache when I was trying their split connectors
[07-Dec-2010 15:55:50] <jmp242> but work OK with my home RAID for Cheap
[07-Dec-2010 15:55:51] <jmp242> lol
[07-Dec-2010 15:57:03] <jmp242> What do you all think of wuala?
[07-Dec-2010 15:57:17] <jmp242> I tried it a while ago and wasn't impressed really, but has it gotten better?
[07-Dec-2010 16:00:08] <rmatte> I don't do the online storage thing, I have a dedicated server with plenty of storage space
[07-Dec-2010 16:00:48] <jmp242> Yea, I was just going with the off site backup lol. I have lots of storage at home that is idle, so Wuala might be interesting if it wasn't for the internet speed limits lol
[07-Dec-2010 16:01:11] <rmatte> well, my dedicated server is in a datacenter, not at home 
[07-Dec-2010 16:01:56] <jmp242> oh
[07-Dec-2010 16:02:03] <jmp242> well, yes I suppose that would be a solution
[07-Dec-2010 16:02:21] <csabo> i've thought about taking mine to the colo i just dont feel comfortable with that
[07-Dec-2010 16:02:23] <rmatte> I also run a nameserver, irc server, web server, etc... on it
[07-Dec-2010 16:02:25] <rmatte> mail server
[07-Dec-2010 16:02:40] <rmatte> yeh, I didn't colo, I rent it
[07-Dec-2010 16:02:46] <rmatte> good deal for what I'm getting though
[07-Dec-2010 16:03:24] <rmatte> $109/month for 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM, 2 x 500GB HDs in RAID 1, 10Mbps connection, 3TB of throughput
[07-Dec-2010 16:03:41] <dec3pti01> nyeates: sent u an pm with the screenshot url
[07-Dec-2010 16:03:49] <rmatte> I also have access to powercycle the server remotely if need be
[07-Dec-2010 16:04:13] <rmatte> I can upgrade the connection to 100Mbps for $8/month, but no need, it's already plenty fast
[07-Dec-2010 16:05:57] <csabo> ah
[07-Dec-2010 16:06:13] <csabo> i could do mine for free, just drive over there and throw in a rack hehe
[07-Dec-2010 16:06:33] <csabo> but its shared space with 2 companies, lockable racks, but still
[07-Dec-2010 16:06:36] <rmatte> well yeh, if it's your datacenter 
[07-Dec-2010 16:06:45] <rmatte> or your rack
[07-Dec-2010 16:06:50] <csabo> yeah
[07-Dec-2010 16:06:59] <rmatte> I have a 3U rackmount server sitting at home collecting dust
[07-Dec-2010 16:07:02] <rmatte> 6.4GHz
[07-Dec-2010 16:07:06] <csabo> ?
[07-Dec-2010 16:07:16] <csabo> pretty sure 6.4ghz cpus arent out yet
[07-Dec-2010 16:07:26] <rmatte> it has multiple CPUs
[07-Dec-2010 16:07:28] <csabo> the power7s are 5 somthing ghz
[07-Dec-2010 16:07:32] <rmatte> 4x1.6
[07-Dec-2010 16:07:45] <csabo> what is wrong iwth you
[07-Dec-2010 16:07:52] <rmatte> ?
[07-Dec-2010 16:07:57] <csabo> 4 1.6ghz doesnt add up to a single 6.4ghz chip
[07-Dec-2010 16:07:59] <csabo> lol
[07-Dec-2010 16:08:05] <rmatte> I was quoting a total
[07-Dec-2010 16:08:08] <csabo> is that some canadian thing?
[07-Dec-2010 16:08:10] <rmatte> I never said it was one chip
[07-Dec-2010 16:08:16] <rmatte> 
[07-Dec-2010 16:08:42] <csabo> crap
[07-Dec-2010 16:08:44] <csabo> crashed quaffel
[07-Dec-2010 16:08:47] <rmatte> I was quoting a total
[07-Dec-2010 16:08:48] <rmatte> I never said it was one chip
[07-Dec-2010 16:08:49] <csabo> or w/e it is
[07-Dec-2010 16:08:49] <rmatte> 
[07-Dec-2010 16:08:51] <csabo> oh, this client is ghetto
[07-Dec-2010 16:08:53] <csabo> no /clear
[07-Dec-2010 16:08:57] <rmatte> lol
[07-Dec-2010 16:09:08] <rmatte> even I have /clear and I'm using a cli client
[07-Dec-2010 16:09:19] <csabo> you recommended this client
[07-Dec-2010 16:09:21] <csabo> dont give me that
[07-Dec-2010 16:09:26] <rmatte> haha
[07-Dec-2010 16:09:38] <rmatte> I said it looked good, I also said I'd never actually tried it
[07-Dec-2010 16:10:49] <csabo> your face
[07-Dec-2010 16:11:41] <csabo> lol
[07-Dec-2010 16:11:47] <csabo> tivoli has a hyper-v agent
[07-Dec-2010 16:12:11] <rmatte> hyper-v is crap, using vmware like the rest of the world
[07-Dec-2010 16:12:15] <csabo> +1
[07-Dec-2010 16:12:16] <rmatte> use*
[07-Dec-2010 16:12:20] <csabo> thats why i laughed
[07-Dec-2010 16:12:51] <rmatte> We're a microsoft "gold partner", so we got a demonstration of Hyper-V, which I was invited to so I went out of curiosity
[07-Dec-2010 16:13:10] <rmatte> so lame... yes it can do vmotion style stuff, and yes it can do most of what vmware can...
[07-Dec-2010 16:13:17] <rmatte> but you're anchored down to using windows
[07-Dec-2010 16:13:23] <nyeates> heh
[07-Dec-2010 16:13:25] <rmatte> which takes all of the value out of the product
[07-Dec-2010 16:14:44] <csabo> it didnt have a few key features
[07-Dec-2010 16:14:47] <csabo> memory balooning
[07-Dec-2010 16:14:50] <csabo> a good p2v tool
[07-Dec-2010 16:14:57] <csabo> not needing 2gb of ram overhead for the host OS
[07-Dec-2010 16:15:14] <rmatte> yeh
[07-Dec-2010 16:15:15] <jmp242> rmatte: how do you get mouse and keyboard working remotely?
[07-Dec-2010 16:15:20] <jmp242> on Hyper-V
[07-Dec-2010 16:15:27] <jmp242> cause I tried, and it just didn't with logmein
[07-Dec-2010 16:15:33] <jmp242> only time ever had a problem with logmein too
[07-Dec-2010 16:15:38] <rmatte> jmp242: heck if I know lol, I don't use Hyper-V
[07-Dec-2010 16:15:51] <rmatte> ESX is god
[07-Dec-2010 16:16:02] <csabo> i **
[07-Dec-2010 16:16:14] <rmatte> lol
[07-Dec-2010 16:16:20] <csabo> esx is also stupid
[07-Dec-2010 16:16:35] <csabo> sure better mgmt tools onbox, but youre again hosting a full OS for what should be a bare metal hypervisor
[07-Dec-2010 16:16:36] <rmatte> in what sense?
[07-Dec-2010 16:16:38] <csabo> its fking redhat
[07-Dec-2010 16:16:58] <csabo> i'd rather my VMs get my ram
[07-Dec-2010 16:17:21] <rmatte> it's a small detail, RAM is cheap
[07-Dec-2010 16:18:08] <csabo> wouldnt get used to it  5x is supposedly going to do away with ESX
[07-Dec-2010 16:18:16] <csabo> its less secure, and more work for them
[07-Dec-2010 16:18:19] <csabo> esxi only
[07-Dec-2010 16:18:50] <rmatte> we'll see, I can't see them just screwing their ESX clients over
[07-Dec-2010 16:19:10] <jmp242> I wasn't impressed with esxi really
[07-Dec-2010 16:19:18] <jmp242> but then, I can't afford real VMWare anyway
[07-Dec-2010 16:19:25] <jmp242> the price just isn't even in the ballpark
[07-Dec-2010 16:19:35] <csabo> ?
[07-Dec-2010 16:19:43] <rmatte> We have 3 ESX servers attached to 2 SANs, and all controlled from 1 vSphere server
[07-Dec-2010 16:19:46] <rmatte> it is awesome
[07-Dec-2010 16:19:49] <csabo> and it was cheap too
[07-Dec-2010 16:19:55] <csabo> the essentials bundle is cheap
[07-Dec-2010 16:20:03] <csabo> i got it for a little under 500 USD ealier this year
[07-Dec-2010 16:20:11] <csabo> good for 6 CPUs
[07-Dec-2010 16:20:15] <csabo> and a copy of vsphere server
[07-Dec-2010 16:20:16] <rmatte> we're paying a few thousand for our licenses
[07-Dec-2010 16:20:48] <rmatte> our ESX servers are 15GHz servers
[07-Dec-2010 16:21:43] <jmp242> We're using RedHat KVM and hoping it gets better fast lol
[07-Dec-2010 16:21:44] <rmatte> (and yes, that's not just 1 CPU :P)
[07-Dec-2010 16:21:52] <rmatte> nice
[07-Dec-2010 16:21:59] <rmatte> yeh, hopefully it does
[07-Dec-2010 16:22:06] <jmp242> When I looked into VMWare it was just too expensive at 2k per CPU
[07-Dec-2010 16:22:13] <jmp242> and we'd need more than 3 hosts
[07-Dec-2010 16:22:18] <csabo> xen
[07-Dec-2010 16:22:20] <jmp242> hell, we've already got 4 KVM hosts
[07-Dec-2010 16:22:31] <rmatte> well, I'm sure we don't pay 2k per CPU, we cut some sort of deal
[07-Dec-2010 16:22:34] <jmp242> I looked into xen, not too impressed, plus it's out of Redhat
[07-Dec-2010 16:22:47] <csabo> not impressed?
[07-Dec-2010 16:22:49] <jmp242> our linux admin only wants stuff supported by redhat really
[07-Dec-2010 16:22:50] <rmatte> Xen is actually not bad, it's just not polished
[07-Dec-2010 16:22:54] <csabo> oh
[07-Dec-2010 16:22:57] <jmp242> Well, when I tried v 5.5
[07-Dec-2010 16:22:58] <csabo> yeah xen has all the features
[07-Dec-2010 16:23:03] <csabo> its just horrid to work with
[07-Dec-2010 16:23:04] <jmp242> it just wasn't that fast or easy to use
[07-Dec-2010 16:23:06] <csabo> like zenoss
[07-Dec-2010 16:23:09] <csabo> (3)
[07-Dec-2010 16:23:10] <jmp242> KVM was much faster
[07-Dec-2010 16:23:14] <rmatte> there's a web interface that someone made for it that helps
[07-Dec-2010 16:23:18] <csabo> yeah
[07-Dec-2010 16:23:21] <rmatte> ugliest interface ever
[07-Dec-2010 16:23:22] <rmatte> but it works
[07-Dec-2010 16:23:24] <csabo> lol
[07-Dec-2010 16:23:26] <jmp242> so I went that way figure that eventually the features will be there soonish
[07-Dec-2010 16:23:36] <jmp242> unless redhat gives up the space to MS w/ hyper-v
[07-Dec-2010 16:23:44] <csabo> hah
[07-Dec-2010 16:24:22] <csabo> jesus a 207 page PDF for a single agent
[07-Dec-2010 16:24:30] <csabo> (exchange)
[07-Dec-2010 16:24:39] <csabo> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v15r1/topic/com.ibm.itmfms.doc/main_kex.pdf
[07-Dec-2010 16:24:55] <rmatte> "Hello, I'm an Agent... Smith... Agent Smith."
[07-Dec-2010 16:25:15] <csabo> you're agent hyperV
[07-Dec-2010 16:25:32] <rmatte> I most certainly am not
[07-Dec-2010 16:25:42] <rmatte> I'm Agent Zenoss
[07-Dec-2010 16:25:56] <rmatte> We deal with events, not situations
[07-Dec-2010 16:26:04] <csabo> nice
[07-Dec-2010 16:26:11] * csabo pats his situation console
[07-Dec-2010 16:26:17] <rmatte> lol
[07-Dec-2010 16:26:22] <csabo> ive been busy today, i can run notepad on peoples workstations
[07-Dec-2010 16:26:30] <csabo> and ccleaner from mine
[07-Dec-2010 16:27:19] * csabo runs hyper-v on rmatte
[07-Dec-2010 16:29:09] <jmp242> rmatte: lol
[07-Dec-2010 16:29:13] <jmp242> that's a good one
[07-Dec-2010 16:29:43] cgbspender is now known as tiredofme
[07-Dec-2010 16:32:16] <rmatte> 
[07-Dec-2010 16:33:00] <rmatte> eugh, time to fix something in solarwinds
[07-Dec-2010 16:33:09] * rmatte hates solarwinds
[07-Dec-2010 16:33:25] <rmatte> we constantly have problems with it
[07-Dec-2010 16:37:29] <csabo> we have it here too
[07-Dec-2010 16:37:35] <csabo> never really touched it
[07-Dec-2010 16:40:27] <rmatte> wish I didn't have to
[07-Dec-2010 17:26:06] bigegor_ is now known as bigegor
[07-Dec-2010 19:09:27] <ablew> anybody have a command template/data source definition handy for check_ping?
[07-Dec-2010 20:08:39] <davide_> is there a way to monitor remote windows machine (i mean machine on a remote site) without a vpn?
[07-Dec-2010 20:09:11] <willwh> davide_: yes
[07-Dec-2010 20:09:37] <willwh> you need to allow udp 161 for your zenoss server through any firewalls
[07-Dec-2010 20:09:46] <willwh> but snmp can poll windows servers
[07-Dec-2010 20:09:49] <davide_> snmp is working ok
[07-Dec-2010 20:09:57] <davide_> the problem is wmi
[07-Dec-2010 20:10:37] <davide_> and the info of almost what i need to monitor is gathered through wmi ... i think
[07-Dec-2010 20:11:09] <davide_> windows services, exchange, iis, sql etc
[07-Dec-2010 20:11:36] <willwh> I don't see what the problem is with wmi?
[07-Dec-2010 20:12:00] <willwh> a vpn is a good idea for security
[07-Dec-2010 20:12:04] <willwh> but I don't think it's essential
[07-Dec-2010 20:12:24] <davide_> cant have a vpn for each customer site
[07-Dec-2010 20:15:22] <davide_> wmi is working correctly for my local servers but not with customer servers which are located at customers site and which i am triing to access through internet without vpn
[07-Dec-2010 20:16:38] <davide_> the problem is that customer servers are natted behind their router public ip and wmi just doesnt work with natted devices
[07-Dec-2010 20:21:42] <davide_> does anyone know if WINRM is supported to access wmi data?
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[07-Dec-2010 22:24:20] dec3pti01 is now known as dec3pti0n
[07-Dec-2010 22:57:59] <ericenns> hey rmatte you around
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[08-Dec-2010 02:25:21] <MrCerulean> I'm having some weird snmp behavior. I can no longer snmpwalk one of my nodes.
[08-Dec-2010 02:25:36] <MrCerulean> However, the log on the node shows that the master did make a connection.
[08-Dec-2010 02:25:41] <MrCerulean> But the connection then times out.
[08-Dec-2010 04:45:12] <kokey> monring
[08-Dec-2010 04:45:16] <kokey> morning, i mean
[08-Dec-2010 04:45:27] <forsberg> mornings
[08-Dec-2010 04:45:28] <kokey> it would have been nice if the transform editor box had syntax highlighting
[08-Dec-2010 04:45:28] <forsberg> :>
[08-Dec-2010 07:57:51] <csabo> man what a night
[08-Dec-2010 07:58:47] <csabo> so in case anyone was wondering, a macbook going down a set of wooden stairs in a bag, stil breaks it
[08-Dec-2010 07:59:19] <csabo> they apparently are not built ford tough
[08-Dec-2010 08:00:41] <ericenns> forsberg: & rmatte I got a fix for my zenpack
[08-Dec-2010 08:17:15] <forsberg> :P~~~~~~~
[08-Dec-2010 08:17:20] <forsberg> wauw nice! im ready 
[08-Dec-2010 08:17:30] <ericenns> just uploading it now
[08-Dec-2010 08:19:32] <ericenns> 1.1 available here docs/DOC-10242
[08-Dec-2010 08:19:55] <ericenns> the problem was that I was using a variable introduced in 3.0 but I didn't know that
[08-Dec-2010 08:22:32] * Simon4 wonders if r5d5 is the droid he is looking for
[08-Dec-2010 08:23:01] <forsberg> nice, lub you!!!
[08-Dec-2010 08:23:08] <forsberg> the manly kind of lub you know
[08-Dec-2010 08:24:12] <ericenns> haha k lol
[08-Dec-2010 08:25:36] <forsberg> so you think ill just remove the vmwaredatasource zenpack from gui, maybe restart zenoss, and then install the new one ?
[08-Dec-2010 08:26:35] <ericenns> you don't need to remove the old zenpack just install it will upgrade
[08-Dec-2010 08:27:44] <forsberg> Done installing ZenPack.
[08-Dec-2010 08:27:45] <forsberg> 
[08-Dec-2010 08:27:50] <forsberg> im so exciiiittted
[08-Dec-2010 08:27:58] <ericenns> ok you will need to restart zope after that
[08-Dec-2010 08:28:34] <forsberg> yes, well restarted whole zenoss ;>
[08-Dec-2010 08:28:41] <ericenns> oh ok
[08-Dec-2010 08:29:57] <forsberg> drwxr-x---  3 zenoss zenoss 4.0K Dec  8 14:29 svinet.foppa.dk
[08-Dec-2010 08:30:08] <forsberg> weeeee looking good, the rrd folder in /Devices has been made
[08-Dec-2010 08:30:08] <forsberg> 
[08-Dec-2010 08:30:10] <ericenns> wicked
[08-Dec-2010 08:31:36] <fragfutter> who is the current community manager?
[08-Dec-2010 08:32:19] <ericenns> nyeates aka Nick Yeates
[08-Dec-2010 08:32:25] <fragfutter> thanks
[08-Dec-2010 08:36:40] <fragfutter> if i remember correctly the subversion repository for dev has been replaced with git?
[08-Dec-2010 08:36:51] <fragfutter> s/with/by
[08-Dec-2010 08:37:02] <ericenns> I believe they use both
[08-Dec-2010 08:37:30] <forsberg> ericenns - the os tab is not gonna be populated right
[08-Dec-2010 08:37:31] <forsberg> ?
[08-Dec-2010 08:37:40] <ericenns> correct neither hardware
[08-Dec-2010 08:38:23] <forsberg> some of the guests doenst populate either, gonna wait some more hehe
[08-Dec-2010 08:38:42] <forsberg> 1 freebsd and 2 centos servers doesnt but have 2 other freebsd and ... 5 centos which does
[08-Dec-2010 08:38:55] <ericenns> like you mean graphs wise yeah that may take a bit
[08-Dec-2010 08:39:13] <forsberg> jup, graphs
[08-Dec-2010 08:39:27] <forsberg> but ^ber cool
[08-Dec-2010 08:39:30] <forsberg> über also
[08-Dec-2010 08:40:03] <ericenns> haha yeah thanks, took a bit of work and I ended up printing the entire vSphere perl SDK manual
[08-Dec-2010 08:40:14] <forsberg> oi, sorry about that hehe
[08-Dec-2010 08:40:34] <ericenns> oh no that was just in the initial development not for this bug fix
[08-Dec-2010 08:40:50] <forsberg> ahh ok
[08-Dec-2010 08:41:14] <forsberg> but it really helps alot of people i think, its really über community zenpack imo :> hehe
[08-Dec-2010 08:41:56] <ericenns> yeah I eneded up with about 3 rewrites to get it to these functioning version, and yeah I'm sure it does. helps me out at home don't have to open up a vm to open VI client to performance data
[08-Dec-2010 08:41:58] * fragfutter remembers someone printing the complete emacs manual. the postscript form. as ascii. and someone replaced paper three times before noticing what crap came out of the printer.
[08-Dec-2010 08:44:02] <forsberg> yeah
[08-Dec-2010 08:44:03] <forsberg> haha
[08-Dec-2010 08:51:12] <forsberg> it totally works man, GJ
[08-Dec-2010 08:51:19] <forsberg> ill give a beer next time we meet
[08-Dec-2010 08:51:34] <forsberg> and rmatte too
[08-Dec-2010 08:51:42] <forsberg> ow him a case :/
[08-Dec-2010 08:52:15] <kokey> i want my transform to check if evt.oid exists and then do stuff
[08-Dec-2010 08:52:22] <ericenns> haha ok
[08-Dec-2010 08:52:22] <kokey> if evt.oid:
[08-Dec-2010 08:52:41] <kokey> doesn't seem to be it
[08-Dec-2010 08:52:51] <kokey> im a python newbie
[08-Dec-2010 08:52:58] <ericenns> forsberg: I doubt you'll ever be in my neck of the woods lol
[08-Dec-2010 08:53:41] <kokey> if hasattr(evt, 'oid'):
[08-Dec-2010 08:53:43] <kokey> i guess?
[08-Dec-2010 08:54:06] <forsberg> haha not likely ;( going to new york on tuesday tho!
[08-Dec-2010 08:54:10] <forsberg> for xmas shopping! 
[08-Dec-2010 08:56:45] <ericenns> oh sounds fun
[08-Dec-2010 08:58:05] <forsberg> not as fun as watching my grapsh in zenoss now!
[08-Dec-2010 08:58:05] <forsberg> 
[08-Dec-2010 08:59:53] <ericenns> haha lol, those graphs are pretty sweet
[08-Dec-2010 09:04:32] <csabo> i still need to install the perl sdk on the zenoss box
[08-Dec-2010 09:04:41] <csabo> someone here posted links the other day ,they still active?
[08-Dec-2010 09:04:57] <csabo> long story, but i cant ssh into the zenoss box, so a link i can wget is helpful hehe
[08-Dec-2010 09:04:59] <fragfutter> won't it create a dark void to couple perl and python?
[08-Dec-2010 09:05:10] <csabo> i dunno
[08-Dec-2010 09:05:50] <ericenns> csabo: why not download it to your machine then host it with apache and do a wget
[08-Dec-2010 09:06:07] <csabo> because i dont have any access to do so
[08-Dec-2010 09:06:21] <csabo> dont have time to explain, but trust me, weird series of events, i cannot d othat
[08-Dec-2010 09:06:45] <ericenns> ok I see well you will have to as forsberg I believe he was hosting it for a bit
[08-Dec-2010 09:07:11] <csabo> yeah, i dont work at the company whos zenoss box im putting this on, i'm helping them out, i cannot do it during business hours
[08-Dec-2010 09:07:20] <csabo> ill probobly throw them on my dropbox
[08-Dec-2010 09:07:48] <ericenns> oh ok I see
[08-Dec-2010 09:07:55] <csabo> yeah, its my old employer 
[08-Dec-2010 09:07:57] <csabo>  *
[08-Dec-2010 09:08:08] <csabo> wow, im reading a 554 page pdf on the agent builder for tivoli
[08-Dec-2010 09:08:25] <ericenns> Im to OCD to be able to read that much stuff
[08-Dec-2010 09:08:42] <csabo> WMI,permon,SSH,SNMP,ICMP,JMX,CIM,JDBC, and any external scripts can all be used to pull data
[08-Dec-2010 09:08:58] <csabo> ericenns: i am too, its very hard for me to sit and read stuff like this, but its gotta get done
[08-Dec-2010 09:10:01] <csabo> oh, this is gonna suck
[08-Dec-2010 09:10:12] <csabo> this builder is just a plugin for eclipse..
[08-Dec-2010 09:15:51] <kokey> i'm trying to read through the infoblox documentation
[08-Dec-2010 09:16:00] <csabo> whats that
[08-Dec-2010 09:25:25] <kokey> a dns appliance
[08-Dec-2010 09:25:29] <forsberg> yes
[08-Dec-2010 09:25:33] <forsberg> still active, hold on
[08-Dec-2010 09:26:14] <forsberg> 32bit or 64 ?
[08-Dec-2010 09:26:29] <forsberg> http://upload.foppa.dk/files/VMware-vSphere-Perl-SDK-4.1.0-254719.i386.tar.gz 32 bit
[08-Dec-2010 09:27:53] <forsberg> http://upload.foppa.dk/files/VMware-vSphere-Perl-SDK-4.1.0-254719.x86_64.tar.gz
[08-Dec-2010 09:28:33] <forsberg> on centos i had to yum install which and in cpan install Crypt::SSLeay
[08-Dec-2010 09:28:39] <forsberg> and that was it
[08-Dec-2010 09:42:12] <dec3pti0n> hmm after adding a threshold and adding it to the graph definition, I should be able to see the threshold line on the map right ?
[08-Dec-2010 09:42:23] <dec3pti0n> s/map/graph
[08-Dec-2010 09:47:15] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: only if the threshold isn't out of range of what's being displayed
[08-Dec-2010 09:47:25] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: and only if you've actually added the threshold to the graph
[08-Dec-2010 09:47:26] <dec3pti0n> it's not
[08-Dec-2010 09:47:36] <dec3pti0n> and I did
[08-Dec-2010 09:47:49] <rmatte> so you see the threshold listed in the legend on the graph?
[08-Dec-2010 09:48:01] <dec3pti0n> yep
[08-Dec-2010 09:48:07] <ericenns> rmatte: I have an Updated version of VMwareDataSource with 2.5 compatibility
[08-Dec-2010 09:48:07] <rmatte> what's the threshold set at?
[08-Dec-2010 09:48:19] <rmatte> ericenns: groovy, please fire me a link
[08-Dec-2010 09:48:32] <rmatte> what was the fix?
[08-Dec-2010 09:48:56] <ericenns> rmatte: dev/name changed to dev/id lol docs/DOC-10242
[08-Dec-2010 09:49:08] <rmatte> omg, seriously?
[08-Dec-2010 09:49:11] <rmatte> I didn't catch that one
[08-Dec-2010 09:49:15] <rmatte> makes sense though
[08-Dec-2010 09:49:19] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: the Max value is 10 and no min Value ... I'm wonderig if I should change the Event Class from /Perf/Snmp to /Status/Ntp
[08-Dec-2010 09:49:23] <ericenns> yup lol took me a while to catch it
[08-Dec-2010 09:49:39] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: the class has nothing to do with a line being drawn
[08-Dec-2010 09:49:43] <rmatte> it's just an organizational thing
[08-Dec-2010 09:49:58] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: what is the top value you're currently seeing on the graph?
[08-Dec-2010 09:50:01] <rmatte> graphs auto-scale
[08-Dec-2010 09:50:29] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: no top value is "20 m"
[08-Dec-2010 09:51:02] <rmatte> 20m is smaller than 10
[08-Dec-2010 09:51:09] <rmatte> the m stands for milli
[08-Dec-2010 09:51:17] <rmatte> so it's like 0.0002
[08-Dec-2010 09:51:20] <rmatte> or something
[08-Dec-2010 09:51:32] <rmatte> so that's why you're not seeing the threshold line
[08-Dec-2010 09:51:43] <dec3pti0n> well that's what's a bit confusing since I wasn't sure if that value would be related to seconds in the threshold section or not
[08-Dec-2010 09:52:00] <rmatte> you can get rid of that "m" translation...
[08-Dec-2010 09:52:03] <rmatte> are you using 3.0?
[08-Dec-2010 09:52:07] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: cool let me try that
[08-Dec-2010 09:52:23] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: no this is a 2.5 version
[08-Dec-2010 09:52:23] <rmatte> you need to change the format on the graphpoint
[08-Dec-2010 09:52:31] <rmatte> it'll be something like %5.1lf%s
[08-Dec-2010 09:52:35] <rmatte> remove the %s at the end
[08-Dec-2010 09:52:52] <rmatte> and it'll prevent that translation to milli, mega, etc... from occuring
[08-Dec-2010 09:58:23] <dec3pti0n> cool thanks , changed it to .005 for 5 m and I see it now ... silly me 
[08-Dec-2010 09:58:31] <rmatte> lol
[08-Dec-2010 10:07:43] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[08-Dec-2010 10:32:30] <rmatte> ok... now to try ericenn's updated pack
[08-Dec-2010 10:32:34] <rmatte> quite excited
[08-Dec-2010 10:32:55] <rmatte> ericenns: you didn't happen to fix that error message parsing issue?
[08-Dec-2010 10:34:03] <ericenns> err not yet but now I have to because centos doesn't like me redirecting stderr in zenoss
[08-Dec-2010 10:34:38] <rmatte> ah
[08-Dec-2010 10:34:56] <rmatte> that's weird
[08-Dec-2010 10:35:08] <ericenns> or maybe it is just 3.0.x
[08-Dec-2010 10:35:22] <ericenns> make it work in one break it in the other I guess
[08-Dec-2010 10:35:23] <rmatte> possibly
[08-Dec-2010 10:35:30] <rmatte> haha, yup
[08-Dec-2010 10:35:42] <rmatte> let me know when that fix is out 
[08-Dec-2010 10:35:47] <ericenns> I guess I'll fix that now
[08-Dec-2010 10:35:49] <ericenns> will do
[08-Dec-2010 10:35:52] <rmatte> I'll just add some redirects in for now
[08-Dec-2010 10:35:59] <rmatte> for testing purposes
[08-Dec-2010 10:36:04] <ericenns> oh I added redirects in there already for the moment
[08-Dec-2010 10:36:08] <rmatte> ah ok
[08-Dec-2010 10:36:08] <rmatte> cool
[08-Dec-2010 10:38:47] <rmatte> well, the host perf test works now
[08-Dec-2010 10:38:48] <rmatte> woot woot
[08-Dec-2010 10:39:08] <rmatte> and I have nan graphs
[08-Dec-2010 10:39:12] <rmatte> looking very promising 
[08-Dec-2010 10:39:28] <ericenns> yup
[08-Dec-2010 10:40:03] <rmatte> the one thing that would be killer is if your pack picked up the ESX hostname of the host automatically
[08-Dec-2010 10:40:11] <rmatte> it's a pain having to go and find it by hand if it's unknown
[08-Dec-2010 10:40:53] <rmatte> Does the API support that?
[08-Dec-2010 10:41:05] <ericenns> hmm I'm not sure what your getting at
[08-Dec-2010 10:41:26] <rmatte> well, you know how I had to manually specify "ESX01.novanoc.com" as the hostname for it to collect host stats properly?
[08-Dec-2010 10:41:36] <rmatte> It should automatically pick that up and name the device that
[08-Dec-2010 10:41:44] <rmatte> (if possible)
[08-Dec-2010 10:42:06] <ericenns> so when you added your device to zenoss it didn't get the hostname?
[08-Dec-2010 10:42:15] <ericenns> thats what I assume happens
[08-Dec-2010 10:42:29] <rmatte> it'll only get the hostname if it's in DNS
[08-Dec-2010 10:42:33] <rmatte> but in cases where it's not...
[08-Dec-2010 10:43:02] <rmatte> anyways, it's not something required right away... I may take a shot at figuring it out
[08-Dec-2010 10:43:18] <ericenns> I'm not sure how It would get that data
[08-Dec-2010 10:43:35] <rmatte> yeh, it's just an idea, I don't know if it's possible
[08-Dec-2010 10:44:51] <rmatte> hmmm, I'm trying to gather hostperf data from the vSphere server, but it's not working
[08-Dec-2010 10:45:23] <rmatte> I'll try variations to the hostname
[08-Dec-2010 10:45:59] <ericenns> just try running the command in terminal I may need to change something to support that
[08-Dec-2010 10:46:17] <rmatte> It's something to do with the hostname
[08-Dec-2010 10:46:34] <ericenns> oh ok
[08-Dec-2010 10:46:47] <rmatte> well I think anyways
[08-Dec-2010 10:46:49] <rmatte> checking right now
[08-Dec-2010 10:51:01] * ericenns coffee time
[08-Dec-2010 10:58:35] <rmatte> hmmm, I'm trying to figure out what the ESX pack does that yours can't
[08-Dec-2010 10:58:40] <rmatte> doesn't look like there's anything
[08-Dec-2010 10:58:48] <rmatte> by ESX pack I mean ESXTOP pack
[08-Dec-2010 11:10:35] <rmatte> yeh, it looks like vSphere server doesn't support reporting host info or something
[08-Dec-2010 11:10:44] <rmatte> I'm positive I'm using the right hostname
[08-Dec-2010 11:15:09] <st3v3o> alright, I deleted a devices and all events and rrd data…then re-added the device as ping only …but it keeps giving me alarms for snmp
[08-Dec-2010 11:15:36] <st3v3o> looking at the configuration properties zSnmpMonitorIgnore = True
[08-Dec-2010 11:16:20] <st3v3o> any clue what the hell would cause that
[08-Dec-2010 11:19:35] <Orv> st3v3o: Try restarting Zenoss.
[08-Dec-2010 11:19:48] <st3v3o> just a bummer that is needed
[08-Dec-2010 11:19:56] <Orv> Yeah.
[08-Dec-2010 11:20:35] <rmatte> just restart zenperfsnmp
[08-Dec-2010 11:20:39] <rmatte> don't restart all of zenoss
[08-Dec-2010 11:20:40] <Orv> I deleted a "system" from Zenoss yesterday.  ALL the devices in the system disappeared.  They didn't re-appare I did database maintenance and restarted zenoss.
[08-Dec-2010 11:20:45] <Orv> rmatte: Good idea
[08-Dec-2010 11:24:28] <kokey> reboot the server and all the devices
[08-Dec-2010 11:24:40] <rmatte> ericenns: just a suggestion... you should make the ZenPack so that it has a /Devices/Server/Virtual Machine Host/ESX, ESXi, and vSphere organizer
[08-Dec-2010 11:24:44] <kokey> ;-)
[08-Dec-2010 11:24:47] <rmatte> make the ESX one identical to the ESXi one
[08-Dec-2010 11:24:58] <rmatte> and make the vSphere one without the host template bound to it
[08-Dec-2010 11:25:05] <rmatte> since it doesn't appear to support providing host info
[08-Dec-2010 11:25:09] <rmatte> it would just be more organized
[08-Dec-2010 11:25:28] <rmatte> I just did it and it's nice
[08-Dec-2010 11:26:21] <ericenns> I could do that
[08-Dec-2010 11:26:30] <ericenns> almost have a fix out for you
[08-Dec-2010 11:26:33] <rmatte> cool
[08-Dec-2010 11:26:43] <rmatte> the redirect is working fine, but that fix will be good
[08-Dec-2010 11:27:16] <rmatte> too bad you didn't called it the vSphere ZenPack
[08-Dec-2010 11:27:20] <rmatte> since that's basically what it is
[08-Dec-2010 11:27:25] <rmatte> call*
[08-Dec-2010 11:27:36] <ericenns> haha yeah I could change it to that
[08-Dec-2010 11:27:44] <rmatte> Might be a good idea
[08-Dec-2010 11:27:49] <rmatte> more descriptive of what it actually does
[08-Dec-2010 11:28:23] <ericenns> yup well I will work on that later on tonight, I'll just get that bug fixed for now
[08-Dec-2010 11:28:33] <rmatte> oh sick, just noticed something
[08-Dec-2010 11:28:44] <ericenns> oh yeah
[08-Dec-2010 11:28:44] <rmatte> it hides the command line arguments when executing the commands
[08-Dec-2010 11:28:49] <rmatte> that's excellent
[08-Dec-2010 11:29:12] <rmatte> just a thought, if you could modify it to sensor the password when executing test commands it would be stellar
[08-Dec-2010 11:29:19] <rmatte> these passwords are generally quite sensitive
[08-Dec-2010 11:29:36] <ericenns> yeah I was thinking about that today
[08-Dec-2010 11:30:09] <rmatte> wouldn't be overly difficult, just set a new variable from the command variable
[08-Dec-2010 11:30:13] <rmatte> and then run a regex against it
[08-Dec-2010 11:30:37] <ericenns> yup just have to find where it prints it out
[08-Dec-2010 11:30:51] <rmatte> it's in the datasource file
[08-Dec-2010 11:31:02] <ericenns> yup I knew that
[08-Dec-2010 11:31:20] <rmatte> I changed my message to "Calculating formula "1 + 1 (or whatever)" against device whatever"
[08-Dec-2010 11:31:25] <ericenns> guess I got time, since my custom ubuntu is still building
[08-Dec-2010 11:31:30] <rmatte> cool
[08-Dec-2010 11:31:34] <rmatte> custom ubuntu eh?
[08-Dec-2010 11:32:05] <ericenns> while more like pre-configured, we use ubuntu at work with AD authentication and some people have trouble setting that up
[08-Dec-2010 11:32:17] <rmatte> ah
[08-Dec-2010 11:32:20] <rmatte> yeh
[08-Dec-2010 11:32:34] <rmatte> I set that up the other day on a CentOS box
[08-Dec-2010 11:32:41] <ericenns> ok cool
[08-Dec-2010 11:32:45] <rmatte> since I'm migrating a CVS server from windows to linux
[08-Dec-2010 11:32:51] <rmatte> and they use AD auth for CVS
[08-Dec-2010 11:32:54] <ericenns> i see
[08-Dec-2010 11:33:04] <rmatte> (this is for a client of ours, I'm going to their site tomorrow to continue the project(
[08-Dec-2010 11:33:06] <rmatte> )
[08-Dec-2010 11:33:22] <rmatte> This is the only on-site project I've ever done, but I'm the Linux guy around here
[08-Dec-2010 11:33:26] <rmatte> this is mostly a windows shop
[08-Dec-2010 11:33:32] <rmatte> really just me and my manager are linux guys
[08-Dec-2010 11:33:54] <rmatte> we also have a unix engineer but he's more solaris/hpux/aix, that sort of thing
[08-Dec-2010 11:33:56] <ericenns> oh I see, we are strictly ubuntu for desktop centos for server
[08-Dec-2010 11:34:08] <rmatte> I'd love to work at your place lol
[08-Dec-2010 11:34:22] <rmatte> My manager and I have ubuntu desktops
[08-Dec-2010 11:34:26] <rmatte> everyone else is windows
[08-Dec-2010 11:34:35] <rmatte> I have a windows 7 VM running in virtualbox
[08-Dec-2010 11:34:46] <rmatte> I use it for outlook and vmware
[08-Dec-2010 11:34:49] <ericenns> I see most of run a windows vm
[08-Dec-2010 11:35:02] <rmatte> (vmware's management software not running in Linux natively == epic fail)
[08-Dec-2010 11:35:33] <ericenns> I know, oh what was that zencommand test I told you yesterday
[08-Dec-2010 11:35:44] <rmatte> which one?
[08-Dec-2010 11:35:48] <rmatte> I don't recall
[08-Dec-2010 11:35:56] <rmatte> zencommand run -v10 -d?
[08-Dec-2010 11:35:58] <rmatte> you mean?
[08-Dec-2010 11:36:02] <ericenns> Just figured it out yeah that was it
[08-Dec-2010 11:36:06] <rmatte> ah ok
[08-Dec-2010 11:36:17] <rmatte> yeh, you can do that with practically any daemon
[08-Dec-2010 11:36:38] <rmatte> also, if you want the daemon to continue cycling as it normally would, but in the foreground you just add --cycle
[08-Dec-2010 11:36:49] <rmatte> zencommand run -v10 --cycle
[08-Dec-2010 11:39:00] <ericenns> ok
[08-Dec-2010 11:40:04] <dec3pti0n> wondering if I can really trust this ntpmonitor drifting  hope i can
[08-Dec-2010 11:43:29] <kokey> there was some redhat 64bit problem on some hp systems with a strange bios that made it gain 10 seconds every minute
[08-Dec-2010 11:43:44] <rmatte> weird
[08-Dec-2010 11:43:56] <kokey> i ran a chron job every minute to sync it to the ntp server until hopefully someone did the upgrade
[08-Dec-2010 11:44:30] <rmatte> lol
[08-Dec-2010 11:44:32] <kokey> that was the same place i discovered the problem with oracle client libraries hanging if the system uptime was over 180 days
[08-Dec-2010 11:44:46] <dec3pti0n> kokey: so the ntpmonitor helped alerting that ?
[08-Dec-2010 11:45:08] <kokey> when that contract was finishing i had an interview at the guardian and somehow that problem came up
[08-Dec-2010 11:45:32] <kokey> they asked me how i fixed it, and i explained to them the stuff i had to do to hack an unofficial oracle patch into the system
[08-Dec-2010 11:45:43] <kokey> they told me they just solved it by rebooting twice a year
[08-Dec-2010 11:46:06] <kokey> dec3pti0n: this was in 2007 so i didn't use ntpmonitor
[08-Dec-2010 11:46:24] <rmatte> ericenns: it's not always hiding the options when running the script
[08-Dec-2010 11:46:29] <rmatte> I just saw it run with them visible
[08-Dec-2010 11:46:52] <ericenns> yeah I see it show them in zencommand
[08-Dec-2010 11:47:02] <rmatte> showing them in zencommand doesn't matter
[08-Dec-2010 11:47:16] <rmatte> it's when it shows them in the actual datasource test, or at the commandline
[08-Dec-2010 11:47:19] <rmatte> that's the issue
[08-Dec-2010 11:47:22] <ericenns> ok well where are you seeing it
[08-Dec-2010 11:47:32] <ericenns> commandline with what?
[08-Dec-2010 11:47:33] <rmatte> I running htop (like top)
[08-Dec-2010 11:47:41] <rmatte> I'm*
[08-Dec-2010 11:47:56] <rmatte> for the most part is does "Hiding the command line arguments"
[08-Dec-2010 11:48:04] <rmatte> but sometimes it shows them
[08-Dec-2010 11:48:38] <ericenns> ok I'm not sure right now how to fix that
[08-Dec-2010 11:48:53] <rmatte> k, just something to look in to at some point 
[08-Dec-2010 11:49:35] <rmatte> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=308126
[08-Dec-2010 11:49:39] <rmatte> here's a thread on it
[08-Dec-2010 11:52:13] <ericenns> rmatte: something you could do at the moment is create a read only user for vsphere
[08-Dec-2010 11:52:40] <ericenns> thats what I use
[08-Dec-2010 11:53:05] <rmatte> well, it doesn't matter at the moment since I'm just testing
[08-Dec-2010 11:53:23] <rmatte> but yeh, that is a good idea
[08-Dec-2010 12:07:53] <rmatte> hmmmm
[08-Dec-2010 12:08:06] <rmatte> is there any way to collect disk and interface stats from the host via that?
[08-Dec-2010 12:08:38] <ericenns> possibly that is on the future list
[08-Dec-2010 12:08:43] * rmatte nods
[08-Dec-2010 12:09:06] <rmatte> but yeh, awesome man, good job
[08-Dec-2010 12:09:08] <rmatte> 
[08-Dec-2010 12:09:14] <ericenns> thanks
[08-Dec-2010 12:09:40] <ericenns> I don't know If I have set up any alerting on the graphs yet
[08-Dec-2010 12:09:46] <rmatte> once I get my computer monitor at home fixed I'll start working on updates to the formula datasource pack
[08-Dec-2010 12:09:54] <rmatte> nah you haven't, but that's easily doable
[08-Dec-2010 12:10:07] <rmatte> especially since memory and CPU usage are in percentages
[08-Dec-2010 12:10:17] <ericenns> oh ok, yup
[08-Dec-2010 12:10:22] <rmatte> the disk usage doesn't really make sense
[08-Dec-2010 12:10:34] <ericenns> for warnings?
[08-Dec-2010 12:11:00] <rmatte> it's telling me 22.09k usage on a server that has a 10GB filesystem with almost 5GB used
[08-Dec-2010 12:11:10] <ericenns> Those graphs are supposed to look just like enterprise
[08-Dec-2010 12:11:16] <rmatte> so I don't get what that value is supposed to represent
[08-Dec-2010 12:11:18] <ericenns> thats not that disk usage its Kps
[08-Dec-2010 12:11:26] <rmatte> ok, so it's I/O
[08-Dec-2010 12:11:28] <ericenns> kbps I mean
[08-Dec-2010 12:11:38] <rmatte> You should change the title of the graph to Disk I/O
[08-Dec-2010 12:11:45] <LiamMac> Can anyone tell me how the interface status lights are updated I have an interface that's operation status shows as down if I check the "IpInterface" page but the "status" light on the OS page still shows as green
[08-Dec-2010 12:11:56] <rmatte> LiamMac: yes...
[08-Dec-2010 12:12:24] <rmatte> LiamMac: an event needs to come in for the /Status/IpInterface event class (which needs to be created by hand), and it needs to have the interface name as the component of the event
[08-Dec-2010 12:12:30] <ericenns> just gotta read the  y axis there rmatte nudge nudge
[08-Dec-2010 12:12:47] <rmatte> LiamMac: read this: docs/DOC-2494
[08-Dec-2010 12:13:02] <LiamMac> thanks rmatte that's exactly what I was looking for
[08-Dec-2010 12:13:03] <rmatte> ericenns: true, but still lol
[08-Dec-2010 12:13:22] <ericenns> blame enterprise for that I blatantly ripped there graphs off
[08-Dec-2010 12:13:31] <rmatte> ah ok
[08-Dec-2010 12:13:33] <rmatte> good man then
[08-Dec-2010 12:13:35] <rmatte> 
[08-Dec-2010 12:13:40] <ericenns> haha yup lol
[08-Dec-2010 12:13:51] <rmatte> but yeh, interface and LUN info will be killer
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[08-Dec-2010 12:14:20] <ericenns> yes it would
[08-Dec-2010 12:15:48] <rmatte> I have a write-up that I need to get to some time soon
[08-Dec-2010 12:16:11] <rmatte> it's a monitoring technique complimentary to the interface status polling write-up
[08-Dec-2010 12:16:28] <rmatte> it uses ifLastChange to detect if an interface status changed between polling cycles
[08-Dec-2010 12:16:33] <rmatte> so you never miss an interface reset
[08-Dec-2010 12:16:46] <rmatte> and don't need to use traps, which vary between different types of devices and can be unreliable
[08-Dec-2010 12:16:47] <ericenns> oh yeah
[08-Dec-2010 12:17:20] <rmatte> I spent a whole day configuring/testing it, then put it in to production, and it's been working great
[08-Dec-2010 12:57:27] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: u mentioned to remove that %s from the graph point format .. is there one for the alerting too ? cause I'm testing with 0.002 and I get the alert summary as "hreshold of Ntpdrift exceeded: current value 0.00"
[08-Dec-2010 13:15:39] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: thresholds default to 2 decimal places
[08-Dec-2010 13:15:55] <rmatte> not sure if there's a way to change that, I don't recall ever seeing one
[08-Dec-2010 13:16:47] <ablew> anybody know how to change the default production states that are selected?
[08-Dec-2010 13:16:56] <rmatte> ablew: yes, in settings
[08-Dec-2010 13:17:20] <rmatte> Advanced -> Settings
[08-Dec-2010 13:17:31] <rmatte> you'll see "State Conversions"
[08-Dec-2010 13:17:42] <rmatte> different value ranges represent different things
[08-Dec-2010 13:17:48] <rmatte> what exactly are you looking to create?
[08-Dec-2010 13:21:13] <ablew> yea...i'm just trying to make it so pre-production and testing are always in my view of devices
[08-Dec-2010 13:31:21] <dec3pti0n> this is strange on zenoss 3.0 version when I try to edit a graph point I show no name for it
[08-Dec-2010 13:32:48] <ericenns> jb are you jbeard in the community
[08-Dec-2010 13:39:16] <csabo> hes jailbait
[08-Dec-2010 13:42:55] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: that's a known bug
[08-Dec-2010 13:43:44] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7597
[08-Dec-2010 13:59:25] <rmatte> ablew: don't get what you mean by always in your view
[08-Dec-2010 13:59:39] <ablew> so say i'm in the device list
[08-Dec-2010 13:59:46] <rmatte> yeh
[08-Dec-2010 13:59:49] <ablew> by default the only production state that is selected is "Production"
[08-Dec-2010 13:59:56] <rmatte> oh, you want it to always be more?
[08-Dec-2010 13:59:59] <ablew> i'd like to adjust that
[08-Dec-2010 14:00:00] <ablew> yep
[08-Dec-2010 14:00:20] <rmatte> hmmmm, not sure if that's possible, it should technically save the last view that you had like the event console does
[08-Dec-2010 14:00:33] <ablew> i don't think it does
[08-Dec-2010 14:00:34] <rmatte> If it doesn't, I'd call that a bug
[08-Dec-2010 14:00:41] <ablew> it seems to lose it as i navigate around
[08-Dec-2010 14:00:56] <rmatte> I just tested and yeh, it defaults to just production
[08-Dec-2010 14:01:05] <rmatte> and doesn't save
[08-Dec-2010 14:01:42] <ablew> at least it's not just me 
[08-Dec-2010 14:01:53] <rmatte> nope
[08-Dec-2010 14:02:16] <rmatte> they should technically show all devices by default
[08-Dec-2010 14:02:27] <ablew> yea...it'd be great to be able to set a preference
[08-Dec-2010 14:02:34] <rmatte> yeh
[08-Dec-2010 14:02:43] <rmatte> open a trac ticket for it
[08-Dec-2010 14:02:50] <ablew> do you have the URL handy?
[08-Dec-2010 14:02:50] <rmatte> dev.zenoss.com/trac login with zenoss/zenoss
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[08-Dec-2010 14:09:08] <kevin7kal> how can I tell which version of Zenoss is installed on a system?
[08-Dec-2010 14:09:23] <rmatte> well first off, what does the interface look like?
[08-Dec-2010 14:09:31] <rmatte> is there a menu on the left?
[08-Dec-2010 14:09:36] <rmatte> or at the top?
[08-Dec-2010 14:10:47] <rmatte> (do you see "DASHBOARD, EVENTS, INFRASTRUCTURE, etc... listed at the top?"
[08-Dec-2010 14:11:29] <rmatte> or do you see "Dashboard, Event Console, Device List, etc..." listed down the left hand side?
[08-Dec-2010 14:12:41] <kevin7kal> at the top right I have search with username, Preferences, Logout, and Help underneath.
[08-Dec-2010 14:12:59] <rmatte> k, so it's the old interface
[08-Dec-2010 14:13:04] <rmatte> go to Settings
[08-Dec-2010 14:13:08] <rmatte> then click on the Versions tab
[08-Dec-2010 14:13:09] <kevin7kal> on the left MainViews> Dashboard, Evnt Console Device List, Network Map
[08-Dec-2010 14:13:10] <kevin7kal> ok
[08-Dec-2010 14:13:13] <rmatte> it'll show you the Zenoss version
[08-Dec-2010 14:13:26] <rmatte> it's probably 2.5.x
[08-Dec-2010 14:13:34] <kevin7kal> yes - 2.5
[08-Dec-2010 14:13:36] <kevin7kal> Thanks!
[08-Dec-2010 14:13:40] <rmatte> 2.5.what?
[08-Dec-2010 14:13:46] <rmatte> 2.5.0, .1, .2, .3?
[08-Dec-2010 14:13:47] <kevin7kal> 2.5.0
[08-Dec-2010 14:13:56] <rmatte> k, that's really bad because 2.5.0 was really buggy
[08-Dec-2010 14:14:03] <rmatte> upgrade to 2.5.2 at the very least
[08-Dec-2010 14:14:07] <kevin7kal> great !  :-)
[08-Dec-2010 14:14:32] <rmatte> 3.0.3 is out, but I wouldn't personally recommend it, it still has annoying bugs
[08-Dec-2010 14:15:03] <rmatte> I also have a list of patches that you can apply to 2.5.2 to spiff it up
[08-Dec-2010 14:15:14] <rmatte> Fix zeodb churn: zenpatch 18589 && zenpatch 18908 && zenpatch 18890 && zenpatch 18941
[08-Dec-2010 14:15:14] <rmatte> Fix sawtooth zenprocess graph: zenpatch 19577
[08-Dec-2010 14:15:14] <rmatte> Fix InterfaceAliasMap issue in 3.0: zenpatch 22540
[08-Dec-2010 14:15:25] <rmatte> ignore the last one
[08-Dec-2010 14:15:29] <rmatte> that's for 3.0
[08-Dec-2010 14:15:34] <rmatte> but the first 2 are good
[08-Dec-2010 14:17:41] <kevin7kal> thanks rmatte
[08-Dec-2010 14:17:45] <rmatte> np
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[08-Dec-2010 15:42:41] <kevin7kal> is there a way to tell whether an instance of zenoss 2.5.0 was installed from the source tarball or a binary stack installer ?
[08-Dec-2010 15:56:28] <rmatte> well, what is the path to $ZENHOME?
[08-Dec-2010 15:56:36] <rmatte> as the zenoss user do: echo "$ZENHOME"
[08-Dec-2010 16:22:12] <forsberg> history ?
[08-Dec-2010 16:22:13] <forsberg> 
[08-Dec-2010 16:22:34] <forsberg> rpm -qa ?
[08-Dec-2010 16:25:17] <rmatte> it was probably ages ago forsberg
[08-Dec-2010 16:25:20] <rmatte> history rolls over
[08-Dec-2010 16:25:42] <forsberg> yeah i know, it was to obvious
[08-Dec-2010 16:25:48] <rmatte> I just need to know his $ZENHOME path
[08-Dec-2010 16:26:05] <rmatte> if it's /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss then it's stack
[08-Dec-2010 16:26:06] <forsberg> if i had done the tarball, i would have the source .tar.gz in my root dir and prolly also a folder with that name ;>
[08-Dec-2010 16:26:27] <rmatte> who in their right mind does the tarball when the stack and rpm are available?
[08-Dec-2010 16:26:40] <forsberg> i wouldnt
[08-Dec-2010 16:26:43] <rmatte> takes 10 times as long
[08-Dec-2010 16:26:44] <forsberg> unless i was trying on bsd
[08-Dec-2010 16:26:46] <forsberg> 
[08-Dec-2010 16:26:48] <rmatte> yeh
[08-Dec-2010 16:27:04] <rmatte> someone needs to maintain a BSD port of it
[08-Dec-2010 16:27:28] <forsberg> would be awesome 
[08-Dec-2010 16:28:34] <rmatte> I've done ports authoring before, but it was ages ago
[08-Dec-2010 16:28:45] <rmatte> I haven't even touched BSD in like 2 years
[08-Dec-2010 16:29:08] <rmatte> I used FreeBSD for 5 years before I even used Linux though
[08-Dec-2010 16:29:11] <rmatte> so I know both quite well
[08-Dec-2010 16:29:16] <forsberg> 
[08-Dec-2010 16:29:24] <rmatte> anyways, I'm out of here
[08-Dec-2010 16:29:27] <rmatte> later folks
[08-Dec-2010 16:29:29] <forsberg> kk later
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[08-Dec-2010 21:34:16] <theyknow> good day. is there a way for zenoss core 3.03 to forward SNMP Traps?
[08-Dec-2010 21:35:17] <theyknow> basically, SNMP Trap Forwarding..
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[09-Dec-2010 06:40:58] <kokey> argh
[09-Dec-2010 06:41:37] <kokey> i can't figure out where to set interface utilization thresholds
[09-Dec-2010 06:41:52] <Simon4> kokey: ethernetCsmacd64
[09-Dec-2010 06:42:02] * Simon4 adds a beer to the total
[09-Dec-2010 06:42:09] <fragfutter> *ring*
[09-Dec-2010 06:42:46] <kokey> hehe
[09-Dec-2010 06:43:00] <fragfutter> max((here.speed or 1e9), 1e9) / 8 * .75
[09-Dec-2010 06:43:10] <kokey> it's going to have to be a weekend long drinking session since you'll die of alcohol poisoning in one night
[09-Dec-2010 06:44:35] <kokey> hmmm
[09-Dec-2010 06:45:59] <kokey> perhaps instead of fiddling with custom thresholds for a certain group of devices i should try figure out why it's hitting a threshold when utilisation is nowhere near the peak
[09-Dec-2010 06:46:29] <fragfutter> detect wrong interface max-speed during modelling.
[09-Dec-2010 06:46:43] <fragfutter> check what here.speed is for a complaining device
[09-Dec-2010 06:47:52] <kokey> it's weird tho since i'm getting them both on cisco routers and on server nics
[09-Dec-2010 06:47:57] <kokey> ok i figured out the cisco router one
[09-Dec-2010 06:48:05] <kokey> it's tunnel interfaces and their speed is set quite low
[09-Dec-2010 06:49:12] <kokey> heh, the lo interface on a server is 10mbit?
[09-Dec-2010 06:49:24] <Simon4> kokey: on some cisco interfaces you can specify "bandwidth xxxxxxxxx" in the interface configuration
[09-Dec-2010 06:49:27] <Simon4> which fixes that problem
[09-Dec-2010 06:49:33] * Simon4 had to do it on vlan interfaces
[09-Dec-2010 06:50:15] <fragfutter> kokey: which os?
[09-Dec-2010 06:50:34] <kokey> Simon4: ah cool that might be handy, since exit guy wrote this hack to kind of guess it based on location and interface name, e.g. if it's a T1 etc.
[09-Dec-2010 06:51:05] <kokey> fragfutter: red hat el5
[09-Dec-2010 06:51:22] <fragfutter> kokey: hehe, now you know why i have this max line in my threshold
[09-Dec-2010 06:52:00] <kokey> what's the max for?
[09-Dec-2010 06:52:19] <fragfutter> raising minimum interface speed i care for to gigabit 
[09-Dec-2010 06:52:22] <kokey> oh max returns the highest in the list
[09-Dec-2010 06:52:42] <kokey> ok well we kind of care about the 600kbit connections
[09-Dec-2010 06:52:42] <fragfutter> exactly your problem.
[09-Dec-2010 06:52:51] <kokey> we have lots of stuff like T1 connections to banks etc.
[09-Dec-2010 06:53:10] <fragfutter> then customize the interface only for your servers
[09-Dec-2010 06:53:34] <kokey> i'll have a chat with the network guys so we can figure out what we'll do about thresholds on the tunnels etc.
[09-Dec-2010 06:53:47] * fragfutter doesn't care for anything below gigabit, if you saturate your 10mbit link, that's not my problem
[09-Dec-2010 06:54:15] <kokey> servers, it's a bit strange the lo interface thing that's 10mbit/sec
[09-Dec-2010 06:54:20] <fragfutter> or ignore loopback interfaces
[09-Dec-2010 06:54:29] <kokey> and it seems across red hat servers, physical and virtual ones
[09-Dec-2010 06:54:49] <Simon4> we ignore lo in the zInterfaceMapIgnoreBlahBlahBlah
[09-Dec-2010 06:54:56] <fragfutter> loopback is no real interace. so net-snmp reports an arbitary value.
[09-Dec-2010 06:55:15] <fragfutter> developers thought 10mbit would be fine.
[09-Dec-2010 06:55:24] <kokey> on solaris the loopback interface speed is reported as 127mbit
[09-Dec-2010 06:55:54] <fragfutter> either customise the template or ignore all loopback interfaces
[09-Dec-2010 06:56:01] <kokey> yeah ignoring alerts for loopback makes sense
[09-Dec-2010 06:56:10] <kokey> still handy to graph it to get a feel for local db query traffic etc.
[09-Dec-2010 06:56:51] <tehhobbit> kokey: why not run local db traffic over unix sockets ?
[09-Dec-2010 06:56:58] <tehhobbit> (just curious)
[09-Dec-2010 06:57:27] <kokey> tehhobbit: that's a way, but even with that it's still nice to graph that
[09-Dec-2010 06:57:46] <kokey> we don't really have much local db stuff, if any, it's just an example
[09-Dec-2010 06:58:37] <kokey> i now wonder how to disable thresholds for 'lo' interfaces
[09-Dec-2010 06:58:59] <kokey> should i put something funky in the maximum value field?
[09-Dec-2010 07:02:06] <Simon4> kokey: I just tell zenoss not to find lo interfaces
[09-Dec-2010 07:02:08] <Simon4> it's much easier
[09-Dec-2010 07:47:08] <kokey> but i want graphs for them
[09-Dec-2010 07:47:15] <kokey> it's helped me debug many things before
[09-Dec-2010 07:47:32] <kokey> e.g. when you argue with java devs about their local proxy stuff etc.
[09-Dec-2010 07:54:19] <Simon4> you might be able to convince net-snmp to report something different for the speed?
[09-Dec-2010 07:55:07] <kokey> that's a bit of a big change before i've made them go puppet here
[09-Dec-2010 07:55:17] <Simon4> 
[09-Dec-2010 07:55:22] <kokey> i think i'll just do a transform then
[09-Dec-2010 07:55:25] <Simon4> you could hack the zenoss modeler 
[09-Dec-2010 07:55:37] <kokey> just let it send these things to history or drop them
[09-Dec-2010 07:55:39] <Simon4> if "lo" in if.description if.speed = 1e9
[09-Dec-2010 07:55:40] <Simon4> 
[09-Dec-2010 07:55:56] <kokey> i don't really want alerts i just want graphs
[09-Dec-2010 07:56:11] <Simon4> yeah, event transforming em will be the cheapest
[09-Dec-2010 07:56:17] <Simon4> just a simple drop
[09-Dec-2010 07:56:51] <zykes-> will zenoss snmpd hammer some times ?
[09-Dec-2010 07:58:11] <kokey> haha
[09-Dec-2010 07:58:24] * ericenns snowy morning
[09-Dec-2010 07:59:07] * Simon4 would like to note that zenoss is great for testing the udp capabilities of routers or VPN tunnels
[09-Dec-2010 07:59:09] <kokey> ok it looks like on other virtual machines eth0 to eth3 are all 10mbit anyway
[09-Dec-2010 08:00:40] <kokey> Simon4: hehe, yeah at partygaming i was doing over 1000 snmp packets per second through the management firewall
[09-Dec-2010 08:01:05] <Simon4> kokey:  the size of the packets twisted spits out are also impressive
[09-Dec-2010 08:01:08] <Simon4> right up to 64k
[09-Dec-2010 08:01:12] <kokey> with nagios that is
[09-Dec-2010 08:01:22] <Simon4> so firewalls with frag chain limits start hurling shit away
[09-Dec-2010 08:01:32] <kokey> yeah the issue is that for udp a session based firewall maintains a session with a few minute timeout for most of them
[09-Dec-2010 08:01:43] <Simon4> oui
[09-Dec-2010 08:01:54] <Simon4> so it has to defrag the frame to ensure it's part of the conversation
[09-Dec-2010 08:02:08] * Simon4 has spent the last two days learning all about how cisco does this
[09-Dec-2010 08:02:11] <kokey> Simon4: ah thanks for the heads up on that
[09-Dec-2010 08:02:29] <Simon4> not to mention finding a cool bug in the ASR firmware, malloc errors on a cisco 
[09-Dec-2010 08:02:30] <kokey> didn't know twisted would do that sort of thing
[09-Dec-2010 08:02:40] <Simon4> kokey: yeah, it's why zenperfsnmp is so fast
[09-Dec-2010 08:02:57] <kokey> i tried playing with twisted two weeks ago trying to make an ssh client thing
[09-Dec-2010 08:03:00] <kokey> and it did my head in
[09-Dec-2010 08:03:02] <Simon4> is a good thing, but can make some stacks hurt
[09-Dec-2010 08:03:04] <Simon4> hah
[09-Dec-2010 08:03:07] <Simon4> async coding 
[09-Dec-2010 08:03:16] <kokey> tip of the day.... if you want to learn python don't try to work with twisted
[09-Dec-2010 08:03:27] <kokey> learn with something else first
[09-Dec-2010 08:04:13] <kokey> at my last job if i was just left in a corner to do nothing i was tempted to write a nice C based multithreaded SNMP thing
[09-Dec-2010 08:04:17] <Simon4> kokey: yes, very much 
[09-Dec-2010 08:04:18] <kokey> probably like zenperfsnmp
[09-Dec-2010 08:04:38] <Simon4> twisted is something to learn in itself, not whilst picking up a new language
[09-Dec-2010 08:04:46] <kokey> i thought i don't want to install any of the other stuff that makes ssh easy through python i'm going to make do with what ships with zenoss
[09-Dec-2010 08:04:50] <kokey> big mistake
[09-Dec-2010 08:05:08] <Simon4> 
[09-Dec-2010 08:05:37] <kokey> twisted is hardcore
[09-Dec-2010 08:12:19] <kokey> fragfutter's solution is becoming more appealing: max((here.speed or 1e9), 1e9) / 8 * .75
[09-Dec-2010 08:13:45] <zykes-> Simon4: any solution for it ?
[09-Dec-2010 08:14:26] <Simon4> zykes-: solution for? the cisco thing?
[09-Dec-2010 08:16:42] <zykes-> SNMP hammering alike thing
[09-Dec-2010 08:17:15] <Simon4> you can set zMaxOIDsPerRequest to something lower than the default of 40
[09-Dec-2010 08:17:24] <Simon4> which shrinks the snmp packets, and slows things down some
[09-Dec-2010 08:20:28] <zykes-> getting something like this: http://pastie.org/1361858
[09-Dec-2010 08:33:46] <kokey> last place i worked at used very few cisco gear
[09-Dec-2010 08:33:53] <kokey> only for a couple of management switches
[09-Dec-2010 08:34:22] <Simon4> zykes-: looks reasonable - zenperfsnmp and zenprocess both make snmp connections to your hosts
[09-Dec-2010 08:34:27] <Simon4> so two every 5 minutes
[09-Dec-2010 08:34:52] <Simon4> and if you're logging each connection like it seems you are, there's a good chance there could be that many requests
[09-Dec-2010 08:36:20] <zykes-> hmm, k
[09-Dec-2010 08:36:35] <zykes-> for some reason there's high cpu load from it :/
[09-Dec-2010 08:37:08] <Simon4> are you using snmpv3?
[09-Dec-2010 08:37:29] <zykes-> v2
[09-Dec-2010 08:37:30] <zykes-> i think
[09-Dec-2010 08:40:39] <kokey> no extra modules in your snmpd?
[09-Dec-2010 08:40:43] <kokey> e.g. for hp hardware etc.
[09-Dec-2010 08:41:38] <zykes-> don't think so
[09-Dec-2010 08:42:02] * Simon4 has issues with net-snmp chewing cpu when walking the process table
[09-Dec-2010 08:42:12] <Simon4> nfi what it is though :/ but it'll eat a single core easily enough
[09-Dec-2010 08:55:06] <zykes-> hmmms, how to fix i wonder
[09-Dec-2010 10:08:31] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[09-Dec-2010 10:56:44] <dec3pti0n> monring
[09-Dec-2010 10:59:40] <nyeates> Hi everyone.... devs will be incoming soon
[09-Dec-2010 10:59:57] <dec3pti0n> hello there
[09-Dec-2010 11:00:35] <nyeates> dec3pti0n: ever get your thresh working?
[09-Dec-2010 11:02:06] <dec3pti0n> nyeates: yep thanks , we actually had ntp going nuts yesterday due to some kernel updates reboots and ntp offset got higher than 10ms 
[09-Dec-2010 11:03:20] <dec3pti0n> I remember long time ago when I actually read about ntp, reading something that ntp sometimes cannot recover when the drift/offset is too high
[09-Dec-2010 11:03:45] <nyeates> good to hear it wasnt yer fault it was being wacky
[09-Dec-2010 11:03:47] <dec3pti0n> so I kept getting email alerts  
[09-Dec-2010 11:03:59] dean is now known as Guest84439
[09-Dec-2010 11:04:36] <dec3pti0n> yeah the only thing that confused me was the whole 0.02 for representing 20ms for the threshold value
[09-Dec-2010 11:07:12] <dec3pti0n> I know I've done this before on another zenoss box ... but I should be able to write a transform so that I can change the summary to display the value in ms instead of .020 , right ?
[09-Dec-2010 11:07:22] <nyeates> yeah the diff measurements and markings for them on rrd can be less than intuitive
[09-Dec-2010 11:08:31] <nyeates> jcausey: btw do u know anything about new daemon creation for users wanting to implement them for zenpacks?
[09-Dec-2010 11:08:49] <nyeates> like can give any pointers or answer simple architecture Qs
[09-Dec-2010 11:09:05] <dec3pti0n> do you guys have info on ipv6 support ?
[09-Dec-2010 11:10:33] <nyeates> dec3pti0n: yeah, its in our product matrix and we are considerig it seriously.... not sure of when we will implement it, but it will happen eventually
[09-Dec-2010 11:10:47] <nyeates> wont happen on avalon release i do not think
[09-Dec-2010 11:11:20] <dec3pti0n> cool thanks
[09-Dec-2010 11:11:34] <jcausey> about daemon creation: I can certainly help answer any questions -- am currently looking for a good example amongst our core/community zenpacks
[09-Dec-2010 11:14:01] <nyeates> oh nice jcausey, we have two members in the community who want to learn more about it....i sent email to try to get jane curry in
[09-Dec-2010 11:14:09] <nyeates> she wants to write documentation on it
[09-Dec-2010 11:14:24] <nyeates> if u have seen janes docs on other subjects....its as good as our internal docs
[09-Dec-2010 11:14:30] <nyeates> so itd be great if u and her can talk
[09-Dec-2010 11:17:30] <nyeates> So any questions or issues or tracebacks out there?
[09-Dec-2010 11:17:42] <nyeates> anyone alive? :-)
[09-Dec-2010 11:17:50] <Jane_Curry> Thanks Nick......
[09-Dec-2010 11:17:56] <nyeates> ahh there u are jae
[09-Dec-2010 11:18:08] <Jane_Curry> Just finished updating my Zenoss Faststart class to V3 so....
[09-Dec-2010 11:18:34] <nyeates> ask away about daemons or whaterver Qs you had about that
[09-Dec-2010 11:18:36] <Jane_Curry> Updating the Creating ZenPacks document has just about got to the top of the pile
[09-Dec-2010 11:19:11] <nyeates> was your questions about making new daemons....or just making zenpacks?
[09-Dec-2010 11:19:24] <Jane_Curry> I've not done anything about creating my own daemons though (yet!)
[09-Dec-2010 11:19:34] <nyeates> ahh gotcha....welp ask away
[09-Dec-2010 11:21:13] <Jane_Curry> I have been fighting performance templates a bit this week with V3
[09-Dec-2010 11:21:29] <Jane_Curry> Anyone got any more comments about the points in message/55303#55303
[09-Dec-2010 11:22:58] <nyeates> restate the subject(s) here breifly
[09-Dec-2010 11:23:16] <Jane_Curry> copying trmplates in 3.x
[09-Dec-2010 11:23:33] <nyeates> ahhh, the override templates thing?
[09-Dec-2010 11:23:40] <jrh0090> When you go to override a template, it doesn't display the same path the template is in. For instance if you define it in /Devices you wont see that in the drop down when you override.
[09-Dec-2010 11:23:40] <Jane_Curry> yup
[09-Dec-2010 11:23:50] <jrh0090> otherwise it should show "Devices in /" (the root)
[09-Dec-2010 11:23:58] <jrh0090> if I understand your question correctly 
[09-Dec-2010 11:24:34] <Jane_Curry> Also struggled with Graph definition loses "Has Summary" setting - message/55279#55279
[09-Dec-2010 11:25:40] <jcausey> @jane, just read through the 55303 thread -- I believe this may be an oversight/bug in the  3.X UI. I'll create a ticket for it, and we'll start working on it
[09-Dec-2010 11:26:20] <Jane_Curry> .. but if a try and copy a template, say Device from /Server/Linux, I still cannot copy it to Device in Devices
[09-Dec-2010 11:26:45] <Jane_Curry> Thanks jcausey....
[09-Dec-2010 11:27:07] <Jane_Curry> I had another scarier issue when playing this morning.  This is what I did...
[09-Dec-2010 11:27:41] <Jane_Curry> Create top-level template fred - which, with Add template, you can put in Devices top level
[09-Dec-2010 11:27:48] <jrh0090> from what I understand the "Devices in /" is actually "Devices in /Devices" (confusingly enough)
[09-Dec-2010 11:27:58] <Jane_Curry> Use template override to copy it to /Power
[09-Dec-2010 11:28:09] <jrh0090> the has_summary is definitely a problem and the ticket is assigned to me 
[09-Dec-2010 11:28:14] <Jane_Curry> Rename the top-level fred
[09-Dec-2010 11:28:34] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[09-Dec-2010 11:28:38] <Jane_Curry> Then I tried to add a new threshold to the copy at /Power
[09-Dec-2010 11:29:02] <Jane_Curry> sorry - before changing the /Power fred, I renamed the top-level fred to fred1
[09-Dec-2010 11:29:48] <Jane_Curry> When I saved the lower-level fred, it winged that it couldnt find the path to top-level fred
[09-Dec-2010 11:30:26] <Jane_Curry> Surely when I did the override it should have made a new copy in /Power, not just a link to the template at the top-level????
[09-Dec-2010 11:32:01] <Jane_Curry> Thanks jrh0090 - found the ticket but the target is Avalon - not sure when that is but this seems like a pretty crucial patch required
[09-Dec-2010 11:34:11] <nyeates> guys - ive got to go, as I have my kid unexpectedlyskype
[09-Dec-2010 11:34:17] <jcausey> @jane -- yeah, that certainly is really sketchy behavior. Probably a deep copy problem with the template's relationships. Would you mind creating a ticket for it?
[09-Dec-2010 11:34:25] <nyeates> wow whops
[09-Dec-2010 11:34:55] <nyeates> ive got to go though, and jcausey and dgarcia will handle you guys
[09-Dec-2010 11:35:06] <fragfutter> nyeates: good luck
[09-Dec-2010 11:35:20] <jrh0090> @jane, unfortunately not only is the target avalon, but the fix will be entirely in javascript which is difficult to zenpatch
[09-Dec-2010 11:36:24] <Jane_Curry> Oh no! zenpatch is wonderful.  I don't want to hear that more and more becomes un-zenpatchable.....
[09-Dec-2010 11:37:21] <jrh0090> we are still working out a way to be able to zenpatch, bascially we would have to do the regular zenpatch and then minify/compress the javascript
[09-Dec-2010 11:37:22] <jcausey> @jane -- we will be giving zenpatch some love and care with Avalon's release to make it useful again
[09-Dec-2010 11:37:56] <Jane_Curry> Another thing I saw when updating the class for v3 templates was..
[09-Dec-2010 11:38:18] <Jane_Curry> create a template at /Server level and bind it there
[09-Dec-2010 11:38:40] <Jane_Curry> I had 2 devices in /Server/Linux and 1 in /Server windows
[09-Dec-2010 11:39:10] <Jane_Curry> the template only got bound to 1 linux + doze - not the other Linux
[09-Dec-2010 11:39:25] <Jane_Curry> nothing odd ata all that I know about the other Linux
[09-Dec-2010 11:39:38] <Jane_Curry> Anyone else seen this sort of quirky stuff????
[09-Dec-2010 11:44:05] <jrh0090> That is quirky! I honestly have no idea why that would happen
[09-Dec-2010 11:44:16] <jrh0090> one would think they would all either get it or not
[09-Dec-2010 11:46:17] <jrh0090> when you call device.getRRDTemplates() in the dmd it doesn't return that template, correct ?
[09-Dec-2010 11:46:29] <jrh0090> on the device that does not have the template
[09-Dec-2010 11:48:04] <ericenns> any devs here have experience writting zencomand parser's
[09-Dec-2010 11:52:47] <npmccallum> ericenns: sure, what's your question?
[09-Dec-2010 11:54:28] <ericenns> ok I have a parser for my vSphere zenpack, which gets data from a perl script, but on ubuntu users get warning messages before output, so it is multiline in that case. I can't seem to get the last line or loop through the output each thing I try stops rrds being filled\
[09-Dec-2010 11:55:03] <ericenns> this is my parser https://github.com/ericenns/ZenPacks.community.VMwareDataSource/blob/master/ZenPacks/community/VMwareDataSource/parsers/vmware.py that I can't figure out to get to accept multiline output
[09-Dec-2010 11:55:13] <ericenns> I am not sure how to get usefull debugging informatoin
[09-Dec-2010 11:59:05] <ericenns> I tried a simple test with splitting cmd.result.output on newline characters and loop through it but that didn't fill the RRD's
[09-Dec-2010 12:00:42] <npmccallum> $cmd | tail -n1 doesn't work?
[09-Dec-2010 12:00:57] <npmccallum> or perhaps $cmd 2>&1 | tail -n1
[09-Dec-2010 12:01:38] <ericenns> hmm I had tried 2> /dev/null at the end of the script, but zenoss complained about misuse of builtin shell commands
[09-Dec-2010 12:02:20] <ericenns> the tail thing might work though will have to try
[09-Dec-2010 13:18:25] <dec3pti0n> do all type of alerts in zenoss only provide 2 decimal point in the aler summary ? I never really nocited that til now
[09-Dec-2010 13:30:53] <nyeates> alert summary as in the email that comes to you?
[09-Dec-2010 13:32:32] <nyeates> and which part of data are you refering to? Like what field from the event is it coming from?
[09-Dec-2010 14:12:33] <dec3pti0n> nyeates: I'm talking about the message and summary of the event in the even console example : "summary threshold of driftmin not met: current value -0.01" .. I haven't had time  to really look into it yet .. but I'm gonna find a way to change that
[09-Dec-2010 14:26:22] dgarcia__ is now known as dgarcia_
[09-Dec-2010 14:29:07] <Jane_Curry> Anyone still around to discuss template copying???
[09-Dec-2010 14:30:22] <Maximus_Power> Hey; I'm trying to monitor some windows mountpoints over WMI that don't have a drive letter assigned to them; any thoughts on how to accomplish that?
[09-Dec-2010 14:31:32] dgarcia__ is now known as dgarcia_
[09-Dec-2010 14:47:56] <dec3pti0n> what could prevent a monitoring template to be propagated to all devices under a device class ? on one zenoss box it worked fine when I binded the NtpMonitor to a device class and all servers on that class got it... now on another zenoss box the same is not working
[09-Dec-2010 14:48:34] <dec3pti0n> well not working for a particular device class
[09-Dec-2010 15:15:21] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[09-Dec-2010 15:15:23] <Jane_Curry> That's what I saw - some devices got it - some didn't - 3.0.3
[09-Dec-2010 15:34:31] <davetoo> meh
[09-Dec-2010 15:34:50] <davetoo> I wish Pidgin had ced-/bash-style editing
[09-Dec-2010 15:51:14] <davetoo> oh, poo, I missed a dev IRC session
[09-Dec-2010 15:51:41] <davetoo> where are the logs?
[09-Dec-2010 16:23:23] <nyeates> logs you will have to wait on
[09-Dec-2010 16:23:33] <davetoo> 'k
[09-Dec-2010 16:25:01] <Simon4> davetoo: http://pastie.org/1363407 should be most of them
[09-Dec-2010 16:25:07] <nyeates> they are atcommunity/documentation/irc
[09-Dec-2010 16:25:17] <nyeates> gracias
[09-Dec-2010 16:26:01] <Simon4> sweet as
[09-Dec-2010 17:11:27] * rmatte yawns
[09-Dec-2010 17:11:52] <rmatte> finally finished a CVS migration from a windows server to a linux server
[09-Dec-2010 17:12:01] <rmatte> including AD authentication
[09-Dec-2010 17:12:25] <rmatte> (was at a customer's site all day doing it)
[09-Dec-2010 17:17:21] <straterra> CVS as in..revision control?
[09-Dec-2010 17:17:44] <rmatte> yeh
[09-Dec-2010 17:17:49] <straterra> That's fun
[09-Dec-2010 17:17:55] <rmatte> they were using CVS on a windows server and wanted it migrated to windows
[09-Dec-2010 17:18:31] <rmatte> to I setup a CentOS box, configured AD auth, configured CVS, and then messed around with file/directory permissions until it worked properly
[09-Dec-2010 17:18:36] <rmatte> to == so
[09-Dec-2010 17:19:10] <straterra> Sounds like my various Linux + Apache httpd + LDAP for AD programs I've written for work
[09-Dec-2010 17:19:16] <rmatte> I still need to go back since they have some CVS -> bugzilla integration between the windows box and their old linux box that is currently running bugzilla
[09-Dec-2010 17:19:23] <rmatte> I need to duplicate the integration
[09-Dec-2010 17:19:39] <rmatte> since I'm also migrating bugzilla, taskzilla, twiki, over to the new box as well
[09-Dec-2010 17:19:55] <rmatte> yeh, close to hehe
[09-Dec-2010 17:20:15] <rmatte> their integration is horrific right now
[09-Dec-2010 17:21:04] <rmatte> it uses some ISPs smtp server to send mail to a gmail account from the windows box, then the linux box running bugzilla scrapes the gmail account and sends an email to bugzilla using sendmail which generates a ticket
[09-Dec-2010 17:21:20] <rmatte> since I now have CVS and bugzilla running on the same box I can dramatically simplify the process
[09-Dec-2010 17:22:17] <rmatte> but that'll be later next week
[09-Dec-2010 17:25:43] <straterra> That..integration sounds ugly
[09-Dec-2010 17:25:49] <rmatte> very
[09-Dec-2010 17:26:00] <rmatte> the first time I ever went over to that client's site is because that integration was broken
[09-Dec-2010 17:26:08] <rmatte> it took me a half hour just to wrap my mind around the setup
[09-Dec-2010 17:26:09] <rmatte> lol
[09-Dec-2010 17:27:01] <rmatte> there's a 500 line perl script on the windows box and a 5 line bash script on the linux box powering it all
[09-Dec-2010 17:27:04] <rmatte> 
[09-Dec-2010 17:27:47] <rmatte> I'm probably going to end up just using a single bash script to do it all
[09-Dec-2010 17:28:06] <rmatte> bash, perl, or python, haven't decided which
[09-Dec-2010 17:28:14] <rmatte> bash is easier to work with for stuff like this
[09-Dec-2010 17:28:24] <rmatte> so probably bash
[09-Dec-2010 17:30:28] <straterra> I'd do it in perl, personally 
[09-Dec-2010 17:30:41] <rmatte> I'm more of a python guy than a perl guy
[09-Dec-2010 17:30:43] <straterra> I hate python and I'd want portability..that leaves perl
[09-Dec-2010 17:30:47] <straterra> Yeah yeah, I know
[09-Dec-2010 17:30:49] <rmatte> perl is what all the more seasoned sys admins use
[09-Dec-2010 17:30:50] <rmatte> 
[09-Dec-2010 17:30:59] <rmatte> one of my friends is a god at perl
[09-Dec-2010 17:31:14] <straterra> It's not very..clean
[09-Dec-2010 17:31:21] <straterra> But damnitt, I can get something hacked together quickly
[09-Dec-2010 17:31:23] <rmatte> yeh, I find the code a bit messy to read
[09-Dec-2010 17:31:30] <rmatte> lots of =>'s everywhere
[09-Dec-2010 17:31:37] <rmatte> lol
[09-Dec-2010 17:31:39] <straterra> That and I love using regex
[09-Dec-2010 17:31:47] <rmatte> I'm still learning regex
[09-Dec-2010 17:32:00] <rmatte> I know the basics off by heart
[09-Dec-2010 17:32:09] <rmatte> but I generally have to reference for the more complicated stuff
[09-Dec-2010 17:32:12] <straterra> Yeah..thats where I think most people should be
[09-Dec-2010 17:32:23] <straterra> You'll drive yourself batty memorizing all of the advanced stuff
[09-Dec-2010 17:32:25] <rmatte> This site is my best friend: http://gskinner.com/RegExr/
[09-Dec-2010 17:32:38] <straterra> I use that site too
[09-Dec-2010 17:32:43] <rmatte> it's awesome
[09-Dec-2010 17:33:03] <rmatte> probably wasn't overly complex for him to code either
[09-Dec-2010 17:33:06] <rmatte> but extremely useful
[09-Dec-2010 17:33:53] <rmatte> anyways, I'm getting out of here for the day, I'll be back around tomorrow
[09-Dec-2010 17:33:54] <rmatte> ciao
[09-Dec-2010 17:35:49] <straterra> Later
[09-Dec-2010 17:52:29] <Orv> So, I deleted a "System" and now while the count of devices in the Ping group is correct, none of the devices show up there.  Any idea how I can recover them?
[09-Dec-2010 17:53:24] <Orv> I've done zeopack, and restarted zenoss.  Didn't help.
[09-Dec-2010 17:53:29] <Orv> Not sure what else to do.
[09-Dec-2010 18:22:50] dgarcia__ is now known as dgarcia_
[09-Dec-2010 18:24:35] <dgarcia_> did you delete the "System" organizer?
[09-Dec-2010 18:35:25] <Orv> dgarcia_: No
[09-Dec-2010 18:35:51] <Orv> Ping shows a device count of 53, but there's none shown
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[10-Dec-2010 03:26:48] <matschi> good morning
[10-Dec-2010 03:27:53] <matschi> anyone familiar with the HP ProLiant zenpack?
[10-Dec-2010 03:29:54] <fragfutter> matschi: the one from bigegeor?
[10-Dec-2010 03:30:19] <matschi> fragfutter: yes
[10-Dec-2010 03:30:31] <fragfutter> i have it running
[10-Dec-2010 03:30:47] <matschi> fragfutter: uuh, does ist show you fans, voltage etc.?
[10-Dec-2010 03:30:58] <fragfutter> lets see 
[10-Dec-2010 03:31:42] <fragfutter> yes. cpus (with idents), fans, memory modules, physical drives ...
[10-Dec-2010 03:32:20] <matschi> okay.. i only get some basic information, nothing proliant specific
[10-Dec-2010 03:32:29] <fragfutter> you do have the HP snmp agents on the target machine?
[10-Dec-2010 03:32:53] <matschi> yes, i installed the .deb file bigegor recommended
[10-Dec-2010 03:33:44] <matschi> ich have cmahealthd cmastdeqd and cmahostd running now
[10-Dec-2010 03:34:02] <matschi> s/ich/i/
[10-Dec-2010 03:34:13] <fragfutter> matschi: welcome to germany 
[10-Dec-2010 03:34:16] <matschi> ...
[10-Dec-2010 03:35:21] <fragfutter> i don't have the snmp oids of hp in my head, so we will check your snmpd.conf first. is there a dlmod cmaX /usr/lib64/libcmaX64.so in it?
[10-Dec-2010 03:35:35] <matschi> nope
[10-Dec-2010 03:35:53] <fragfutter> so you are missing the hp specific extension.
[10-Dec-2010 03:36:07] <matschi> that the meaning of this line.. i see
[10-Dec-2010 03:36:16] <matschi> okay, brb
[10-Dec-2010 03:36:27] <fragfutter> it means that the shared library ... is loaded into the snmpd agent.
[10-Dec-2010 03:39:38] <matschi> okay, i added the line
[10-Dec-2010 03:39:58] <matschi> do i need to remodel my device in zenoss?
[10-Dec-2010 03:41:37] <forsberg> restart snmpd
[10-Dec-2010 03:41:43] <forsberg> and try remodel
[10-Dec-2010 03:41:48] <matschi> done that
[10-Dec-2010 03:41:57] <matschi> still no additional information
[10-Dec-2010 03:41:59] <forsberg> and wait ~15 mins
[10-Dec-2010 03:42:05] <fragfutter> try snmp walk of this oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.232.2
[10-Dec-2010 03:42:10] <matschi> k
[10-Dec-2010 03:42:51] <matschi> No such object available
[10-Dec-2010 03:44:56] <matschi> fragfutter: http://pastebin.com/bScsu7zE
[10-Dec-2010 03:45:05] <matschi> my snmpd.conf
[10-Dec-2010 03:45:19] <matschi> i must admit i'm a snmp newbie
[10-Dec-2010 03:46:29] <fragfutter> matschi: you are missing the hp insight snmp agent and a proper net-snmpd config. i have no ideas about the details of your system. so just doing a copy paste of a module extension is most likely the wrong step.
[10-Dec-2010 03:46:44] <matschi> maybe the basic snmp setup lassej mentioned in the second post on docs/DOC-3394 is sufficient
[10-Dec-2010 03:47:22] <matschi> you are right
[10-Dec-2010 03:47:50] <matschi> i'll do some more research and come back if i can ask something more specific
[10-Dec-2010 03:48:02] <matschi> +questions
[10-Dec-2010 03:48:13] <matschi> thanks fragfutter
[10-Dec-2010 08:02:20] <csabo> morn
[10-Dec-2010 08:03:28] <forsberg> morn
[10-Dec-2010 08:03:38] <forsberg> anyone awake with the ipservice in zenoss (2.5.2)?
[10-Dec-2010 08:03:47] <forsberg> im having great problems with our production installation
[10-Dec-2010 08:03:58] <forsberg> with knowledge of ipservice even
[10-Dec-2010 08:27:36] * Simon4 has some knowlege
[10-Dec-2010 08:28:05] <forsberg> 
[10-Dec-2010 08:28:27] <forsberg> im having great troubles with it, it doesnt work as expected, on my home installation it does
[10-Dec-2010 08:28:37] <forsberg> i eneblad the zenstatus debug
[10-Dec-2010 08:29:18] <forsberg> and, i noticed that it only took 50 devices, so ichanged some settings in the daemons zenstatus configuration
[10-Dec-2010 08:29:38] <forsberg> the parallel was set up to 250 (in the log it said 177 devices)
[10-Dec-2010 08:29:50] <forsberg> and now it actually checks the servers which it didnt check before
[10-Dec-2010 08:29:56] <forsberg> but it still doenst error
[10-Dec-2010 08:30:08] <forsberg> more specifically its the smtp ip service
[10-Dec-2010 08:30:22] <Simon4> can you screenshot the config for the ipservice?
[10-Dec-2010 08:30:43] <forsberg> yeah
[10-Dec-2010 08:30:47] <forsberg> its the build in smtp one
[10-Dec-2010 08:31:40] <forsberg> http://upload.foppa.dk/files/Capture.JPG
[10-Dec-2010 08:31:46] <Simon4> so it's failing when it shouldn't be? or it's not failing when it should?
[10-Dec-2010 08:32:08] <forsberg> its not failing
[10-Dec-2010 08:32:10] <forsberg> [root@mon03 ~]# telnet 89.104.216.72 25
[10-Dec-2010 08:32:10] <forsberg> Trying 89.104.216.72...
[10-Dec-2010 08:32:10] <forsberg> Connected to 89.104.216.72.
[10-Dec-2010 08:32:10] <forsberg> Escape character is '^]'.
[10-Dec-2010 08:32:10] <forsberg> 550 5.7.1 relaying denied
[10-Dec-2010 08:32:29] <Simon4> that's not the ip address in the screenshot?
[10-Dec-2010 08:33:13] <forsberg> [root@mon03 ~]# telnet 89.104.216.71 25
[10-Dec-2010 08:33:13] <forsberg> Trying 89.104.216.71...
[10-Dec-2010 08:33:13] <forsberg> Connected to 89.104.216.71.
[10-Dec-2010 08:33:13] <forsberg> Escape character is '^]'.
[10-Dec-2010 08:33:14] <forsberg> 550 5.7.1 relaying denied
[10-Dec-2010 08:33:24] <forsberg> (have 3 routers in that cluster ;>)
[10-Dec-2010 08:34:31] <forsberg> http://paste.tyk.nu/index.php?id=20101210143424_47074
[10-Dec-2010 08:34:37] <forsberg> from the zenstatus log
[10-Dec-2010 08:34:54] <forsberg> looks like it regisreres there is no 220
[10-Dec-2010 08:35:05] <forsberg> but still it continues to time out while waiting for it
[10-Dec-2010 08:35:47] <forsberg> on my private zenoss, if i force postfix to not do 220 (through access map) it very quickly fails on the ip service and everything works fine
[10-Dec-2010 08:36:08] <tiredofme> hmm has anyone ever seen Zenoss send 3 emails when a users password is reset?
[10-Dec-2010 08:36:32] <forsberg> on our production one, setting the parallel to 250 actually made around 10 servers which should have failed before, begin to fail, but im still missing atleast 30 servers which should fail
[10-Dec-2010 08:36:45] <forsberg> and i have no idea where to look/continue troubleshooting this
[10-Dec-2010 08:38:38] <forsberg> 2010-12-10 14:37:54,853 DEBUG zen.ZenTcpClient: twisted.internet.error.TimeoutError
[10-Dec-2010 08:38:43] <forsberg> also that one im not sure about :>
[10-Dec-2010 08:39:03] <fragfutter> forsberg: do you see zenoss connecting in the logs on the smtp-server?
[10-Dec-2010 08:39:20] <forsberg> yeah, that was my paste.tyk.nu link
[10-Dec-2010 08:39:25] <forsberg> oh
[10-Dec-2010 08:39:26] <forsberg> sorry
[10-Dec-2010 08:39:28] <forsberg> misunderstood
[10-Dec-2010 08:40:02] <forsberg> actually i cannot see that on this particular server, since we use a hmmmmmm modified version of ecelerity, a high speed mta
[10-Dec-2010 08:40:13] <fragfutter> if i don't understand one end, i always debug the other.
[10-Dec-2010 08:40:17] <forsberg> we process _alot_ of email and
[10-Dec-2010 08:40:21] <forsberg> yeah i hear you
[10-Dec-2010 08:40:32] <fragfutter> can you sniff the traffic?
[10-Dec-2010 08:40:36] <forsberg> and on the postfix i can force the error on at home i do see it in the log
[10-Dec-2010 08:40:44] <forsberg> yeah i can tcpdump it, hold on
[10-Dec-2010 08:40:59] * fragfutter loves IT. 
[10-Dec-2010 08:41:28] <fragfutter> debug one end, debug other end and if all fails: WIRESHARK
[10-Dec-2010 08:41:39] <fragfutter> boy will this get ugly the moment everything is encrypted
[10-Dec-2010 08:41:44] <forsberg> hehe yeah
[10-Dec-2010 08:41:46] <forsberg> its not, but still
[10-Dec-2010 08:42:11] <forsberg> i understand your approach, just cant understand since zenoss very obviously gets the 550 and closes the connection
[10-Dec-2010 08:42:24] <Simon4> forsberg: I'm thinking about it... just doing something else for 10 min, will come back
[10-Dec-2010 08:42:32] <Simon4> it rings a bell for some reason
[10-Dec-2010 08:43:09] <forsberg> cool, fragfutter i see the smtp traffic, but the tcpdump hmmm
[10-Dec-2010 08:43:11] <forsberg> i cannot read :>
[10-Dec-2010 08:43:40] <fragfutter> lazy solution, use wireshark. it will decode everything for you.
[10-Dec-2010 08:44:08] <fragfutter> or increase snaplength, print out packet payload data and read it
[10-Dec-2010 08:44:11] <forsberg> yeah
[10-Dec-2010 08:44:11] <forsberg> but
[10-Dec-2010 08:44:49] <forsberg> yes, havent been to much of that, just need the data from the tcpdump over to my wireshark here on windows
[10-Dec-2010 08:45:40] <Weetos> How would I go about changing a given interface's speed in Zenoss 3 ? Dialer default to 56k, which is wrong in this case (14Mbps DSL)
[10-Dec-2010 08:46:45] <Weetos> Zenoss gives me alerts saying this inferface's threshold has been crossed
[10-Dec-2010 08:47:11] <fragfutter> interface speed is detected during modelling.
[10-Dec-2010 08:47:43] <fragfutter> if you do automatic remodelling you need to fix the snmp value reported by your device
[10-Dec-2010 08:47:53] <Weetos> yep but for some reason this cisco router says the dialer speed is 56k, which is wrong
[10-Dec-2010 08:48:39] <fragfutter> log into the cisco router and set the bandwith value on the interface
[10-Dec-2010 08:49:20] <Weetos> fragfutter> oh ok I thought I could tell zenoss to ignore what the router says
[10-Dec-2010 08:49:44] <fragfutter> Weetos: you should fix it once on the router. every montitoring tool will then work.
[10-Dec-2010 08:50:09] <Weetos> fragfutter> makes sense. Thanks 
[10-Dec-2010 08:50:16] <fragfutter> Weetos: or you apply a customized template to your device in zenoss, set the threshold manual there.
[10-Dec-2010 08:53:25] <forsberg> 6     19.630230     89.104.216.71     89.104.192.28     SMTP     S: 550 5.7.1 relaying denied
[10-Dec-2010 08:54:11] <forsberg> im not really certain still what im looking for, but the tcpdump clearly says that it answers 550 blah blah, the same thing that gets logged in zenstatus.log
[10-Dec-2010 09:21:30] <fragfutter> anyone running a tftpd with dropped privileges?
[10-Dec-2010 09:37:24] <forsberg> gonna leave work now, if anyone reads my cry for help, or fragfutter og simon4 comes up with anything, please leave msg  thanks and good weekend to all! 
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[10-Dec-2010 09:38:04] <fragfutter> forsberg: i started reading zenoss sources but got distracted (well real work) with a tftp problem 
[10-Dec-2010 09:57:59] <navanjr> any one know how to trouble shoot Event Commands?
[10-Dec-2010 09:58:57] <navanjr> my command is..... twitter set "${evt/device} -- ${evt/summary}"
[10-Dec-2010 10:13:48] <fragfutter> why do our servers need eight cores? So we can run seven crashed java programs and still do some work.
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[10-Dec-2010 11:30:01] <willwh> hey guys - I am having trouble getting the regex portion of check http on a local basis in my 3* install
[10-Dec-2010 11:30:14] <willwh> or rather, trying to find where on earth in the template I do that.
[10-Dec-2010 11:34:17] <willwh> rmatte: can yuo give me a poke when you're around? 
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[10-Dec-2010 18:33:24] <ablew> anybody doing puppet integration with zenoss 3.x?
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[11-Dec-2010 14:48:57] <sergeymasushko> hi 2 all I have a weird situation. looks like acknowledged events are not clearing... is it a normal behaviour?
[11-Dec-2010 14:50:33] <forsberg> hmm doesnt sound normal 
[11-Dec-2010 14:54:47] <sergeymasushko> just there was an event (which was accidentally  acknowledged) from zencommand (Slave SQL not running!) and it was not cleared for about 12 hours. once I back it state to new and run from shell : zencommand run -v10 -d <devicename> it was cleared... I'm  going to try to reproduce it...
[11-Dec-2010 15:55:46] <sergeymasushko> who creates heartbeat events about zenoss' daemons?
[11-Dec-2010 15:56:33] <Simon4> not me 
[11-Dec-2010 15:57:04] <sergeymasushko> Simon4: I'm pretty sure that you're right! 
[11-Dec-2010 15:57:24] <Simon4> more serious answer, they're created within either zenhub or zope - not sure which... but they're generated when a daemon fails to check in 3xcycle times
[11-Dec-2010 15:58:11] <sergeymasushko> ok. if there is an event about zenhub?
[11-Dec-2010 15:58:33] <Simon4> I think at that point you can consider zenoss down
[11-Dec-2010 15:58:58] <Simon4> I would need to go read the source again to see what processes daemon heartbeats
[11-Dec-2010 15:59:11] <Simon4> you could turn zenhub off for 10 min and see if it heartbeat fails?
[11-Dec-2010 15:59:31] <Simon4> I would doubt it - thinking about it, since zenhub is what sends events to mysql/zenactions
[11-Dec-2010 16:00:42] * forsberg still cant get his ipservice to function properly
[11-Dec-2010 16:00:55] <Simon4> forsberg: the smtp one?
[11-Dec-2010 16:01:07] <Simon4> I would recommend a bigger hammer
[11-Dec-2010 16:01:09] <forsberg> yeah
[11-Dec-2010 16:01:10] <forsberg> hehehe
[11-Dec-2010 16:01:27] <Simon4> have you tried changing the regex to something else?
[11-Dec-2010 16:01:57] <forsberg> no not really? to what?
[11-Dec-2010 16:02:02] <sergeymasushko> Simon4: yep. I analyzed load statistic and found that the event appeared at the same time when there was a high cpu load. I believe it caused creation of the event... so I'd like to know if it is possible to tune thresholds of heartbeats due to I see such events too frequently...
[11-Dec-2010 16:02:04] <forsberg> 220 is a pretty good indication
[11-Dec-2010 16:02:12] <forsberg> if it works or not
[11-Dec-2010 16:02:12] <forsberg> 
[11-Dec-2010 16:02:45] <Simon4> forsberg: and you're getting a timeout, not a fail, yeah?
[11-Dec-2010 16:03:54] <Simon4> sergeymasushko: some people reckon heartbeart errors are a pain for that reason (load can cause em to trip), but my opinion is that if  your load is high enough that a given daemon fails to check in three times in a row you possibly need to look at tuning or scaling
[11-Dec-2010 16:04:19] <Simon4> a heatbeat error event is only thrown after three full failures, which can be up to 15 minutes for a 5 minute cycle time
[11-Dec-2010 16:04:32] <Simon4> if you're high load for that length, maybe that's a bad thing
[11-Dec-2010 16:05:04] <sergeymasushko> no there was no so long high load...
[11-Dec-2010 16:05:36] <Simon4> forsberg: if it was me I would change the expect regex to "550" and see if it suddenly succeds (from memory your tests returned 550's)... if that works at least you know it's looking at the right output
[11-Dec-2010 16:05:51] <forsberg> yeah right could try that
[11-Dec-2010 16:06:16] <Simon4> it's not massively useful other than as a sanity check, but sanity is good 
[11-Dec-2010 16:06:34] <sergeymasushko> hm in the zenhub log I see a lot of errors like: ERROR Zope.ZCatalog: uncatalogObject unsuccessfully attempted to uncatalog an object with a uid of /zport/dmd/Devices/Server/Porta/devices/...
[11-Dec-2010 16:06:56] <Simon4> sergeymasushko: I get a bunch of those and they don't affect heartbeats at all
[11-Dec-2010 16:06:56] <forsberg> zenstatus log shows that it tries the given server, and it looks throught the connect string, and doesnt find 220 then closes the connection. And around ~15 secs later it logs timeout waiting for 220 and then closes the connection again
[11-Dec-2010 16:07:01] <forsberg> but yeah right, ill try that road abit
[11-Dec-2010 16:07:06] <forsberg> the sanity road
[11-Dec-2010 16:07:07] <forsberg> 
[11-Dec-2010 16:07:25] <Simon4> forsberg: end of hte day, when all else fails, you gotta start at the real basics 
[11-Dec-2010 16:08:04] * Simon4 has spent far too many hours staring at problems, clearly
[11-Dec-2010 16:08:46] <sergeymasushko> now I'm completely confused...
[11-Dec-2010 16:10:19] <Simon4> sergeymasushko: what heartbeat errors are you seeing?
[11-Dec-2010 16:10:44] <sergeymasushko> message         localhost zenhub heartbeat failure
[11-Dec-2010 16:11:21] <Simon4> aight, I'm clearly utterly wrong about the order of processing 
[11-Dec-2010 16:11:56] <Simon4> I presume zenhub is still running whilst this is happening
[11-Dec-2010 16:12:35] <Simon4> the one thing i can think is that automated modelling might be happening, and somewhere in the server-zenoss-mysql-modelling chain things are being slowed down
[11-Dec-2010 16:17:29] <sergeymasushko> hm... is there a way to find this place and try to tune it?
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[12-Dec-2010 06:07:12] <froztbyte> meh
[12-Dec-2010 06:07:36] <froztbyte> just realized I accidentally managed to nuke my whole /Power class on one of my installations at some point in time
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[12-Dec-2010 19:34:57] <chriskilian> hi all
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[12-Dec-2010 22:41:58] <wobblyonions> anyone seen multiple occurences of getting zenheartbeat failures at all
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[13-Dec-2010 07:17:50] <matschi> fragfutter: Hey, can you tell me if there is an easy way to see, if the hp-snmp-agent is configured correctly on a hp proliant?
[13-Dec-2010 09:04:30] <rmatte> matschi: snmpwalk it?
[13-Dec-2010 09:09:10] <matschi> rmatte: on which OID?
[13-Dec-2010 09:12:19] <matschi> i get some action on 1.3.6.1.4.1.232, but i'm not sure it that is an indicator for a correctly configured hp-agent
[13-Dec-2010 09:30:13] <rmatte> you're talking about on a switch right?
[13-Dec-2010 09:30:36] <rmatte> oh no, you're talking about on a server
[13-Dec-2010 09:30:40] <rmatte> sorry, I was thinking procurve
[13-Dec-2010 09:30:53] <rmatte> Just find an OID that it should dish out and then try walking it
[13-Dec-2010 09:31:12] <rmatte> you could try some OIDs from the HP Temperature Sensor ZenPack
[13-Dec-2010 09:31:55] <rmatte> hold on, I'll grab some
[13-Dec-2010 09:32:21] <rmatte> hmmm, that pack uses a script, so there seems to be quite a few
[13-Dec-2010 09:33:06] <fragfutter> matschi: if you can walk the 1.3.6.1.4.1.232, then net-snmp is loading the extensions of the hp-snmp agent. The hp-snmp agent can contain multiple modules itself, so it only tells you that net-snmp agent is configured correctly.
[13-Dec-2010 09:34:03] <rmatte> matschi: http://www.oidview.com/mibs/232/CPQHLTH-MIB.html
[13-Dec-2010 09:34:10] <rmatte> you should be able to walk those values apparently
[13-Dec-2010 09:34:21] <matschi> fragfutter: okay, so it works, but maybe some modules don't..
[13-Dec-2010 09:34:27] <matschi> rmatte: thanks, i'll give it a try
[13-Dec-2010 09:35:51] <matschi> :/ enterprises.232.6 = No such object available
[13-Dec-2010 09:36:06] <matschi> back to reading documentation 
[13-Dec-2010 09:36:09] <matschi> thanks guys
[13-Dec-2010 09:38:38] * forsberg trying to find some documentation to read on his f¤#()¤king smtp ipservice problem
[13-Dec-2010 09:38:42] <forsberg> +is
[13-Dec-2010 09:41:53] <matschi> hmm, .232.6.23 works
[13-Dec-2010 09:54:59] <froztbyte> forsberg: what's up?
[13-Dec-2010 09:57:16] <rmatte> matschi: you're not actually trying to walk enterprises.*?  or is that just when it translates it?
[13-Dec-2010 09:58:04] <forsberg> in short, ive had the smtp ipservice check on alot of servers, but it was brought to my attention that a few servers which should report errors, doesnt. I enabled debug log in zenstatus, and i can see that some servers answer 550 blah blah, and not the 220 as expected, yet those never get an alert
[13-Dec-2010 09:59:00] <froztbyte> moar debug level required!
[13-Dec-2010 09:59:23] <froztbyte> are the configs the same on all those serves?
[13-Dec-2010 10:02:06] <froztbyte> servers*
[13-Dec-2010 10:02:42] <forsberg> well some of them answered 550 cause it was not suppose to relay and one of them was crashed, so it didnt respond at all.
[13-Dec-2010 10:03:06] <forsberg> my initial investigations led me to raise a parallel value from 50 to above the number of jobs it actually ran
[13-Dec-2010 10:03:27] <forsberg> because the servers in question was nowhere to find in the zenstatus log
[13-Dec-2010 10:03:59] <forsberg> after raising the value, it now looks like it actually goes through all the servers, but still doesnt respond properly to the 550 and the "dead" servers
[13-Dec-2010 10:04:00] <forsberg> very strange
[13-Dec-2010 10:04:14] <forsberg> I have now removed the expect 220 from the ipservice itself
[13-Dec-2010 10:04:22] <forsberg> and now it responds to "dead" servers
[13-Dec-2010 10:04:25] <forsberg> atleast look like it
[13-Dec-2010 10:07:06] * Sam-I-Am is back on the zenoss bandwagon
[13-Dec-2010 10:07:13] <Sam-I-Am> vm cluster is up finally
[13-Dec-2010 10:07:16] <Sam-I-Am> after weeks of delays
[13-Dec-2010 10:16:42] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: ooh funs tuff
[13-Dec-2010 10:17:17] <Sam-I-Am> yeah
[13-Dec-2010 10:17:19] <Sam-I-Am> quite
[13-Dec-2010 10:17:38] <Sam-I-Am> trying to remember where zenoss stores the default graph size
[13-Dec-2010 10:21:00] <rmatte> default graph size?
[13-Dec-2010 10:21:26] <rmatte> you talking width/height or actual RRD params?
[13-Dec-2010 10:33:16] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: yeah
[13-Dec-2010 10:38:13] <rmatte> yeah which?
[13-Dec-2010 10:54:54] <Sam-I-Am> width/height
[13-Dec-2010 10:55:10] <Sam-I-Am> which it think translates to rrd params
[13-Dec-2010 11:14:04] <rmatte> pretty sure those are hardcoded
[13-Dec-2010 11:14:13] <rmatte> (the defaults I mean)
[13-Dec-2010 11:19:08] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[13-Dec-2010 11:36:09] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[13-Dec-2010 11:38:54] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: ah, okey
[13-Dec-2010 11:50:54] <csabo> is avalon 3.1?
[13-Dec-2010 11:51:13] <csabo> or are they buying an avalon and driving it around with bumper stickers and window stickers
[13-Dec-2010 11:51:54] <enjoi> interesting
[13-Dec-2010 11:56:54] <rmatte> avalon could be 3.5, or 4.0
[13-Dec-2010 11:57:15] <froztbyte> *gulp*
[13-Dec-2010 11:57:28] * froztbyte is still on 2.7 or something
[13-Dec-2010 11:57:39] <rmatte> there is no 2.7 
[13-Dec-2010 11:57:46] <rmatte> you mean 2.5?
[13-Dec-2010 11:58:21] <fragfutter> python 2.7
[13-Dec-2010 11:58:25] <fragfutter> i would guess ,)
[13-Dec-2010 11:58:34] <rmatte> fragfutter: doubt that
[13-Dec-2010 11:58:41] <rmatte> they just moved to python 2.6
[13-Dec-2010 11:58:45] <rmatte> and there is no python 2.7
[13-Dec-2010 11:58:48] <rmatte> there's python 3.0 now
[13-Dec-2010 11:59:08] <fragfutter> rmatte: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.7/
[13-Dec-2010 11:59:32] <rmatte> meh, bugfix release, not major release
[13-Dec-2010 11:59:50] <rmatte> "Python 2.7 is scheduled to be the last major version in the 2.x series"
[13-Dec-2010 12:00:03] <rmatte> the distros tend to carry 2.4, 2.6, and 3.0
[13-Dec-2010 12:00:09] <rmatte> I haven't seen 2.7 in the repos
[13-Dec-2010 12:00:23] <rmatte> and 2.4 is being abolished
[13-Dec-2010 12:00:58] <fragfutter> 2.7 is released. 2.7.1 is the current python2 version.
[13-Dec-2010 12:01:44] <enjoi> interesting
[13-Dec-2010 12:01:47] <fragfutter> if you only read the first line of the link, that is 2.7.1 is a bugfix release... please continue reading.
[13-Dec-2010 12:01:58] <csabo> owned
[13-Dec-2010 12:02:11] <csabo> lol rmatte will be on 2.5 when everyone else is on 4
[13-Dec-2010 12:02:37] <rmatte> only if they don't fix the bugs with the template editing
[13-Dec-2010 12:02:44] <rmatte> which I personally went over with Nick, and he took notes
[13-Dec-2010 12:02:52] <rmatte> so hopefully they'll be resolved in time for the next release
[13-Dec-2010 12:03:16] <rmatte> I can't work with templates in 3.0, it's like being handcuffed
[13-Dec-2010 12:03:50] <csabo> i figured you'd like that
[13-Dec-2010 12:03:55] <rmatte> I just did something to a template in 2.5 that would have taken me 5 times as long in 3.0
[13-Dec-2010 12:04:32] <csabo> i cant imagine jumping to 4.0.. wouldnt make any sense
[13-Dec-2010 12:04:47] <csabo> 3.0 was a new gui, some broken stuff. i guess i can see that
[13-Dec-2010 12:04:59] <csabo> so is 4.0 going to be the 3.0 gui with everything actually working, like 2.5?
[13-Dec-2010 12:05:15] <rmatte> no, 4.0 has some major changes
[13-Dec-2010 12:05:20] <rmatte> well, the next version I mean
[13-Dec-2010 12:05:32] <rmatte> It has relstorage for one thing, which is huge
[13-Dec-2010 12:05:36] <csabo> the ability to monitor a host by dns not ip in that list by anychance?
[13-Dec-2010 12:05:41] <csabo> relstorage? what is that
[13-Dec-2010 12:05:42] <rmatte> also a whole new reporting system
[13-Dec-2010 12:06:01] <fragfutter> csabo: storing in a relational database instead of zodb
[13-Dec-2010 12:06:03] <rmatte> relstorage acts as a layer between MySQL and Zope, meaning everything will be stored in MySQL instead of a Data.fs file
[13-Dec-2010 12:06:06] <csabo> oh 
[13-Dec-2010 12:06:10] <csabo> cool fragfutter
[13-Dec-2010 12:06:25] <csabo> should improve performance i'd imagine
[13-Dec-2010 12:06:27] <rmatte> It should dramatically improve performance
[13-Dec-2010 12:06:40] <fragfutter> csabo: i like zodb. forcing everything into a relational database schema is not my thing.
[13-Dec-2010 12:07:09] <rmatte> fragfutter: it's still going to behave the same way
[13-Dec-2010 12:07:17] <rmatte> from a user standpoint there's no difference
[13-Dec-2010 12:07:23] <csabo> honestly, i didnt know it wasnt already using mysql.
[13-Dec-2010 12:07:32] <rmatte> It uses MySQL to store events
[13-Dec-2010 12:07:33] <csabo> i never would have guessed a product made for large environments would use a flat file
[13-Dec-2010 12:07:41] <rmatte> but everything else is stored in a Data.fs flat file
[13-Dec-2010 12:07:47] <rmatte> in $ZENHOME/var/Data.fs
[13-Dec-2010 12:07:49] <csabo> ah
[13-Dec-2010 12:07:56] <csabo> lol @ zenoss/zenoss
[13-Dec-2010 12:08:01] <csabo> are they gonna fix that in avalon? 
[13-Dec-2010 12:08:08] <rmatte> That's not a bug man
[13-Dec-2010 12:08:08] <fragfutter> rmatte: yep. i know. seen the talks about relstorage when it came up in 2001 
[13-Dec-2010 12:08:13] <rmatte> everyone thinks it is, but it's not
[13-Dec-2010 12:08:35] <rmatte> /usr/local/zenoss contains all of the environment files, such as python, and other linux binaries
[13-Dec-2010 12:08:39] <ericenns> thats just the way the all in one installer works
[13-Dec-2010 12:08:50] <rmatte> then /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss contains the actual Zenoss files
[13-Dec-2010 12:08:59] <rmatte> /usr/local/zenoss contains MySQL too
[13-Dec-2010 12:09:07] <rmatte> it's their way of packaging everything in to a single package
[13-Dec-2010 12:09:15] <rmatte> and having a separate environment for Zenoss
[13-Dec-2010 12:09:24] <fragfutter> zodb is not a flat file, it is structured. think like bdb files.
[13-Dec-2010 12:09:28] <rmatte> If you install via RPM it installs differently
[13-Dec-2010 12:09:33] <rmatte> it goes to /opt/zenoss
[13-Dec-2010 12:09:40] <rmatte> and the rest is all in it's standard system location
[13-Dec-2010 12:10:26] <enjoi> damn zenoss
[13-Dec-2010 12:10:27] * csabo changes rmatts $HOME to /home/rmatte/rmatte 
[13-Dec-2010 12:10:29] <csabo> see how you like it
[13-Dec-2010 12:10:36] <csabo> hehe
[13-Dec-2010 12:10:37] <rmatte> I like the fact that all the dependencies are in /usr/local/zenoss, means the rest of the system can't mess with Zenoss' environment
[13-Dec-2010 12:10:49] <rmatte> you don't magically find out one day that Python has been upgraded and Zenoss is complaining
[13-Dec-2010 12:11:17] <rmatte> csabo: if $HOME == $ZENHOME then I'd agree with you, but it doesn't 
[13-Dec-2010 12:11:39] <Simon4> rmatte: that's a terrible example  all the zenoss packages come with their own python
[13-Dec-2010 12:11:41] <Simon4> even the RPM
[13-Dec-2010 12:11:48] <rmatte> I suppose they could have made it /usr/local/zenenv/zenoss or something
[13-Dec-2010 12:11:50] <rmatte> but whatever
[13-Dec-2010 12:12:07] <rmatte> Simon4: I haven't used the RPM, I've just read about it, and I didn't think it did
[13-Dec-2010 12:12:12] <rmatte> I thought it installed it as a dep
[13-Dec-2010 12:12:14] <Simon4> it does
[13-Dec-2010 12:12:18] <Simon4> nahhhp
[13-Dec-2010 12:12:23] <rmatte> k, I stand corrected
[13-Dec-2010 12:12:25] <rmatte> MySQL then
[13-Dec-2010 12:12:31] <Simon4> much better 
[13-Dec-2010 12:12:34] <rmatte> lol
[13-Dec-2010 12:15:53] <rmatte> well, time to grab some lunch, afk
[13-Dec-2010 12:16:39] <fragfutter> time to finish the day 
[13-Dec-2010 12:16:57] * Simon4 is about to call it a day also
[13-Dec-2010 12:24:35] <rmatte> that's crazy that the metrodome's roof collapsed
[13-Dec-2010 12:26:51] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[13-Dec-2010 12:26:53] <Sam-I-Am> little bit o snow
[13-Dec-2010 12:29:07] <enjoi> Snow
[13-Dec-2010 12:47:55] * davetoo yawns
[13-Dec-2010 12:50:53] <rmatte> the way it fell it looked more like water than snow lol
[13-Dec-2010 12:50:55] <rmatte> crazy
[13-Dec-2010 12:54:03] <davetoo> ?
[13-Dec-2010 12:54:20] <rmatte> just when it hit the field, the way it sort of splashed
[13-Dec-2010 12:54:28] <davetoo> I got caught in a sleetburst once 
[13-Dec-2010 12:55:11] <rmatte> can't say I ever have
[13-Dec-2010 12:55:14] <davetoo> going over the mountains on hwy 80 from Reno to California.  Thunder and lightning and a near whiteout but it was sleet.  Not even hail.
[13-Dec-2010 12:55:29] <davetoo> Got so thick that everybody slowed down and stopped.
[13-Dec-2010 12:55:42] <davetoo> Long enough for people to get out of their cars and chat 
[13-Dec-2010 12:55:51] <rmatte> lol
[13-Dec-2010 12:56:13] <davetoo> So... with Egor's distributed collector pack,
[13-Dec-2010 12:56:35] <davetoo> how do you force it to model devices and suchlike?
[13-Dec-2010 12:56:51] <davetoo> i.e. how do you run zenoss commands on the remotes
[13-Dec-2010 12:57:00] <rmatte> you have to literally run it on the remote
[13-Dec-2010 12:57:08] <davetoo> 'k
[13-Dec-2010 12:57:23] <rmatte> as part of the setup though you setup an ssh keypair yes?
[13-Dec-2010 12:57:37] <rmatte> so you could just execute the commands remotely via ssh without having to actually login to a prompt
[13-Dec-2010 12:57:38] <davetoo> Haven't done it yet.  Couple of days I wll be
[13-Dec-2010 12:57:42] <rmatte> ah ok
[13-Dec-2010 12:58:25] <davetoo> I wonder how that's all going to work (or not) after Avalon is released
[13-Dec-2010 12:58:51] <rmatte> I'd imagine it'll work the same
[13-Dec-2010 12:59:02] <rmatte> might require a few updates or something
[13-Dec-2010 12:59:07] <rmatte> but Egor is good about maintaining his packs
[13-Dec-2010 13:00:32] <davetoo> The Events are what I'm worried about
[13-Dec-2010 13:02:27] <rmatte> why's that?
[13-Dec-2010 13:03:06] <davetoo> because of the new RabitMQ messaging infrastructure
[13-Dec-2010 13:03:18] <rmatte> oh, I hadn't even heard of that
[13-Dec-2010 13:03:41] <rmatte> either way, don't be in a rush to upgrade until you know it's going to work
[13-Dec-2010 13:03:46] <rmatte> that's what gets people in to trouble
[13-Dec-2010 13:03:57] <rmatte> "ZOMFG! NEW RELEASE! UPGRADE!"
[13-Dec-2010 13:04:03] <rmatte> "NOTHING WORKS ANYMORE, HELP!"
[13-Dec-2010 13:04:24] <rmatte> I wouldn't hesitate to use the pack
[13-Dec-2010 13:04:59] <davetoo> I have good reason to be interested, though; Client wants to do some crazy stuff and RelStorage would help
[13-Dec-2010 13:05:11] <rmatte> for sure
[13-Dec-2010 13:05:48] * Sam-I-Am is enjoying mass template building
[13-Dec-2010 13:06:22] <davetoo> mass?
[13-Dec-2010 13:06:24] <davetoo> how?
[13-Dec-2010 13:07:01] <Sam-I-Am> just a lot of them... primarily making one, then using the zope backend to copy it with some adjustments
[13-Dec-2010 13:07:19] <davetoo> yeah, somehow I expect to be using ZMI a lot with v3
[13-Dec-2010 13:07:40] <rmatte> yeh, the template copying is one of the things that I showed Nick
[13-Dec-2010 13:07:46] <Sam-I-Am> i tend to find it easier for certain things
[13-Dec-2010 13:07:47] <rmatte> we did a webex session and I showed him the problems with it
[13-Dec-2010 13:07:59] <rmatte> so hopefully he'll be able to bring it to their attention and they can fix it
[13-Dec-2010 13:08:05] <Sam-I-Am> this is 2.5.2
[13-Dec-2010 13:08:08] <Sam-I-Am> but i did try 3
[13-Dec-2010 13:08:08] <rmatte> oh
[13-Dec-2010 13:08:13] <davetoo> Besides being named weirdly, what's wrong with it?
[13-Dec-2010 13:08:22] <davetoo> I haven't actuall run a worknig copy of 3 yet
[13-Dec-2010 13:08:24] <davetoo> working
[13-Dec-2010 13:08:33] <rmatte> 2.5.2 isn't so bad, but I know what you mean, I used ZMI in the same way when I was making my Windows SNMP Performance (Advanced) ZenPack
[13-Dec-2010 13:09:13] <davetoo> well I spent a lot of time in ZMI figuring out LDAP auth.  Even with Enterprise.  
[13-Dec-2010 13:09:14] <Sam-I-Am> its easier to mass-rename stuff in zmi after copying too
[13-Dec-2010 13:09:27] <Sam-I-Am> ldap auth wasnt too bad here, but it did require zmi
[13-Dec-2010 13:09:39] <Sam-I-Am> kinda surprised thats not built into the general config on enterprise
[13-Dec-2010 13:09:40] <rmatte> LDAP auth was easy for me in 2.5, pain in the ass in 3.0 so far, but I think it's because I don't have all the correct libraries on the system
[13-Dec-2010 13:10:15] <rmatte> it can't be built in to the general config since it's dependant on system libraries
[13-Dec-2010 13:10:38] <rmatte> on a virtual appliance it could
[13-Dec-2010 13:10:44] <davetoo> I had to monkey with the user caching, I think
[13-Dec-2010 13:10:51] <rmatte> ah
[13-Dec-2010 13:11:08] <davetoo> plus Corp IT's LDAP servers all behaved differently
[13-Dec-2010 13:11:10] <davetoo> was very odd
[13-Dec-2010 13:11:27] <rmatte> ah, we just have 1
[13-Dec-2010 13:11:40] <davetoo> We had some users who never could log in via LDAP and I never figured out why.
[13-Dec-2010 13:11:57] <rmatte> probably something simple
[13-Dec-2010 13:11:58] <Sam-I-Am> i'm kinda surprised the ldap thinger doesnt support tls yet
[13-Dec-2010 13:12:00] <davetoo> So I set up system accounts for them
[13-Dec-2010 13:12:25] <davetoo> yeah, it was all the old-timers like me who still had Unix email.  Something about the way it searched for users, I think.
[13-Dec-2010 13:12:26] <rmatte> yeh, I can't go the system account route, too many servers
[13-Dec-2010 13:13:01] <davetoo> It gets *really* confused when you have a system account username that matches an LDAP username.
[13-Dec-2010 13:13:13] <rmatte> I've never tried that 
[13-Dec-2010 13:13:14] <Sam-I-Am> yeah
[13-Dec-2010 13:13:15] <davetoo> so I started prefixing system usernames with an '-'
[13-Dec-2010 13:13:21] <davetoo> it was accidental
[13-Dec-2010 13:13:22] <rmatte> ah
[13-Dec-2010 13:28:38] * rmatte yawns
[13-Dec-2010 13:28:54] <rmatte> Matt arrives and everything quiets right down
[13-Dec-2010 13:29:14] <davetoo> I'm still half asleep
[13-Dec-2010 13:30:23] <rmatte> I'm fairly awake today for a change
[13-Dec-2010 13:32:07] <rmatte> I got invited to box seats for a hockey game tonight, can't wait until work is over
[13-Dec-2010 13:33:53] <davetoo> nice
[13-Dec-2010 13:39:30] <davetoo> I wish I knew more about RPMs.  I'd like to have an install just for Egor's remote collectors that omits MySQL
[13-Dec-2010 13:43:55] <rmatte> this ossim documentation is horrific
[13-Dec-2010 13:44:31] <rmatte> "OSSIM with by default, remove events from MySQL, compress, and archive them every 5 days"
[13-Dec-2010 13:44:34] <rmatte> but doesn't say to where
[13-Dec-2010 13:44:44] <rmatte> with == will
[13-Dec-2010 13:46:12] <davetoo> URL?
[13-Dec-2010 13:46:40] <rmatte> closed it
[13-Dec-2010 13:46:49] * rmatte tries to find it again
[13-Dec-2010 13:47:16] <rmatte> http://www.ossim.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=user_manual:analysis:siem#events_in_database
[13-Dec-2010 13:57:17] <davetoo> are you just starting out with it?
[13-Dec-2010 13:57:23] <rmatte> yes
[13-Dec-2010 13:57:35] <rmatte> well, I have 10+ million events in the database right now
[13-Dec-2010 13:57:41] <rmatte> but we're still in the configuration phase
[13-Dec-2010 13:57:57] <davetoo> zenoss events?
[13-Dec-2010 13:57:57] <rmatte> the documentation is severely lacking so far
[13-Dec-2010 13:58:01] <rmatte> no no
[13-Dec-2010 13:58:03] <rmatte> this is ossim
[13-Dec-2010 13:58:05] <rmatte> not Zenoss
[13-Dec-2010 13:58:13] <davetoo> not tied in. OK.
[13-Dec-2010 13:58:17] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Dec-2010 13:58:23] <rmatte> it's just going to be a standalone SIM
[13-Dec-2010 13:58:50] <rmatte> it's analyzing syslogs and pulling down events from cisco ips devices via SDEE
[13-Dec-2010 13:59:08] <rmatte> and it will be generating alerts if we can ever figure out how to tune it to do so
[13-Dec-2010 13:59:27] <davetoo> SDEE?
[13-Dec-2010 13:59:28] <rmatte> the tuning interfaces are horrific and what little documentation we've found hasn't been much help
[13-Dec-2010 13:59:50] <rmatte> Yeh, it basically logs in to the device's web interface and pulls the data down
[13-Dec-2010 13:59:53] <rmatte> it's a Cisco thing
[13-Dec-2010 14:00:03] <davetoo> sounds hackish 
[13-Dec-2010 14:00:21] <rmatte> nah, it's not
[13-Dec-2010 14:00:24] <rmatte> it's the proper way to do it
[13-Dec-2010 14:00:34] <rmatte> actual Cisco software does the same
[13-Dec-2010 14:00:38] <davetoo> do you get XML?
[13-Dec-2010 14:00:53] <rmatte> I'm not sure how it grabs it's it's a pre-built plugin that comes with OSSIM
[13-Dec-2010 14:01:26] <rmatte> It's limited to gathering from 1 device but I hacked around and managed to get 2 going
[13-Dec-2010 14:01:36] <rmatte> (for the SDEE)
[13-Dec-2010 14:02:01] <davetoo> I'll have to look at the docs.
[13-Dec-2010 14:02:12] <davetoo> Do you build ACLs with log statements or what?
[13-Dec-2010 14:02:12] <rmatte> do you use OSSIM?
[13-Dec-2010 14:02:40] <rmatte> you mean do I limit what kinds of logs come in?
[13-Dec-2010 14:02:43] <davetoo> no
[13-Dec-2010 14:02:54] <rmatte> you talking about log definitions?
[13-Dec-2010 14:03:03] <davetoo> I mean how does the Cisco generate events?
[13-Dec-2010 14:03:42] <rmatte> 2 of the cisco devices generate them via syslog... rsyslog gathers it and scrapes the log file, then logs the events in to MySQL
[13-Dec-2010 14:03:50] <rmatte> and I have the log file that it's scraping rotating daily
[13-Dec-2010 14:04:07] <rmatte> the other 2 devices, OSSIM logs in to them every few seconds and grabs any recent events via SDEE
[13-Dec-2010 14:04:34] <davetoo> *nod*
[13-Dec-2010 14:05:06] <davetoo> new topic: mysql tuning
[13-Dec-2010 14:05:12] <rmatte> Security Device Event Exchange (SDEE) is a new standard proposed by ICSA that specifies the format of messages and protocol used to communicate events generated by security devices.
[13-Dec-2010 14:05:13] <davetoo> so with Zenoss 2.5.2, when you looked at a Device organizer page with.. hundreds of devices, or more, the time to query the events/status tables made the page load/build incredibly slow.
[13-Dec-2010 14:05:33] <davetoo> has that improved?
[13-Dec-2010 14:05:42] <rmatte> really?
[13-Dec-2010 14:05:52] <rmatte> when you say hundreds, how many are we talking?
[13-Dec-2010 14:05:55] <davetoo> Maybe my server was hosed.
[13-Dec-2010 14:06:02] <davetoo> 500
[13-Dec-2010 14:06:05] <davetoo> maybe more
[13-Dec-2010 14:06:09] <davetoo> I can't remember
[13-Dec-2010 14:06:14] <rmatte> I have a server with 410 and the device page loads in a couple seconds
[13-Dec-2010 14:06:17] <davetoo> been almost 9 months
[13-Dec-2010 14:06:36] <rmatte> device list page I should say
[13-Dec-2010 14:06:44] <davetoo> right
[13-Dec-2010 14:07:26] <rmatte> also, the only thing stored in MySQL are events, so viewing devices has nothing to do with MySQL at all
[13-Dec-2010 14:07:27] * davetoo looks up "mysql storage engine comparison"
[13-Dec-2010 14:07:31] <rmatte> it will in the next version
[13-Dec-2010 14:07:42] <davetoo> rmatte: it does for the status "pills" christmas trees
[13-Dec-2010 14:07:53] <rmatte> ?
[13-Dec-2010 14:08:02] <rmatte> oh
[13-Dec-2010 14:08:06] <rmatte> yeh, you're right, it does
[13-Dec-2010 14:08:12] <rmatte> but it only checks active events
[13-Dec-2010 14:08:18] <rmatte> which is a 2 second check compared to event history
[13-Dec-2010 14:08:40] <rmatte> unless you have a gazillion active events
[13-Dec-2010 14:11:07] <davetoo> blah
[13-Dec-2010 14:11:18] <davetoo> msql.com wants a login to read this whitepaper
[13-Dec-2010 14:11:32] <rmatte> google the title of the white paper
[13-Dec-2010 14:11:37] <rmatte> some other site might have it
[13-Dec-2010 14:12:40] <davetoo> They're not going to get a useful sales lead out of me by making me register 
[13-Dec-2010 14:12:52] <rmatte> lol
[13-Dec-2010 14:27:02] <davetoo> I wish they'd used postgreSQL 
[13-Dec-2010 14:29:25] <rmatte> meh
[13-Dec-2010 14:38:37] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: do you generally keep interface status as an snmp data point?
[13-Dec-2010 15:18:01] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: yes
[13-Dec-2010 15:20:56] <Sam-I-Am> woot, thought so
[13-Dec-2010 15:21:09] <Sam-I-Am> may not use it on everything, but it could be useful for polling
[13-Dec-2010 15:21:29] <Sam-I-Am> mostly in 3.x though which has a bug in OAM
[13-Dec-2010 15:21:42] <rmatte> I poll interface status and ifLastChange on every interface I monitor
[13-Dec-2010 15:21:50] <rmatte> way better than relying on traps for interface status
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[13-Dec-2010 15:24:02] <Sam-I-Am> interesting
[13-Dec-2010 15:24:10] <Sam-I-Am> what do you do with lastchange?
[13-Dec-2010 15:26:38] <jrbrown> Anybody have time for a zen-jmx Q?
[13-Dec-2010 15:35:30] <jrbrown> My question is around the Object Name, it appears that zenjmx does not support wild cards, or in some cases regular expressions.  Would anybody know if this is by design, or it either are supposed to be supported?
[13-Dec-2010 15:39:26] <jrbrown> For example, I ma trying the following string hadoop:service=DataNode,name=DataNodeActivity*  to match an object name similar to DataNodeActivity-DS-1591638972-10.200.32.8-50010-1289644188785.  The values after DS- change from machine to machine so I need a to match on a wild card or a regex.....
[13-Dec-2010 15:42:12] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: lastchange is a timestamp of when the last interface status change was
[13-Dec-2010 15:42:20] <rmatte> the timestamp is the number of timeticks since the device booted
[13-Dec-2010 15:42:31] <rmatte> so I use a counter datasource to monitor that and threshold if it increases at all
[13-Dec-2010 15:42:38] <rmatte> that tells me if an interface reset between polls
[13-Dec-2010 15:42:46] <rmatte> that way I don't miss even the quickest resets
[13-Dec-2010 15:43:03] <Sam-I-Am> ah, interesting
[13-Dec-2010 15:53:52] <rmatte> I'm going to do a writeup for it, but not today
[13-Dec-2010 15:53:55] <rmatte> whenever I have some time
[13-Dec-2010 15:54:05] <rmatte> it'll be similar to the polling writeup
[13-Dec-2010 16:10:19] <rmatte> ericenns: you around?
[13-Dec-2010 16:12:04] <ericenns> for the moment
[13-Dec-2010 16:12:41] <rmatte> k... should your pack be trying to collect data for VMs that aren't actually running?
[13-Dec-2010 16:12:52] <rmatte> it's doing it for one of them and fails every time
[13-Dec-2010 16:13:01] <ericenns> by fail what do you mean?
[13-Dec-2010 16:13:14] <rmatte> as in I get a command failed event
[13-Dec-2010 16:13:17] <rmatte> every polling cycle
[13-Dec-2010 16:13:26] <rmatte> I just added a transform to filter them out for now
[13-Dec-2010 16:13:34] <ericenns> hmm I don't get that in 3.0
[13-Dec-2010 16:14:02] <rmatte> Code: 1 - Msg: General error
[13-Dec-2010 16:14:05] <rmatte> when it fails
[13-Dec-2010 16:14:24] <ericenns> I don't remember putting anything specific in there to stop it from that
[13-Dec-2010 16:14:30] <rmatte> It only seems to be doing it on my vSphere server though
[13-Dec-2010 16:14:52] <ericenns> oh ok
[13-Dec-2010 16:15:04] <ericenns> can you run the command manually?
[13-Dec-2010 16:15:05] <rmatte> I'll try to figure out what's causing it
[13-Dec-2010 16:15:15] <rmatte> when I run it manually I get no output at all
[13-Dec-2010 16:15:15] <ericenns> oh ok umm are you running 1.1.1
[13-Dec-2010 16:15:25] <rmatte> just 1.1 I think
[13-Dec-2010 16:15:35] <rmatte> what does 1.1.1 fix?
[13-Dec-2010 16:15:58] <ericenns> that makes sense, oh ok in 1.1.1 I do a tail -n1 instead of 2> /dev/null for zenoss 3 compatibility
[13-Dec-2010 16:16:15] <rmatte> ah
[13-Dec-2010 16:17:22] <rmatte> I have tons of gaps in my graphs too
[13-Dec-2010 16:17:24] <ericenns> yeah make it work in one break it another
[13-Dec-2010 16:17:54] <ericenns> is that just for your vsphere server or for all
[13-Dec-2010 16:17:55] <rmatte> I'll try increasing my zCommandCommandTimeout value
[13-Dec-2010 16:18:13] <ericenns> yeah the backend scripts take a while to run
[13-Dec-2010 16:18:19] <rmatte> seems to be doing it mostly on the vsphere server
[13-Dec-2010 16:18:33] <ericenns> that makes sense
[13-Dec-2010 16:18:56] <ericenns> since that is quering a bunch of data
[13-Dec-2010 16:18:57] <rmatte> I just increased the timeout from 15 to 60, I'll see if that makes a difference
[13-Dec-2010 16:19:22] <ericenns> ok
[13-Dec-2010 16:19:53] <ericenns> I am leaving shortly but I may log onto irc at home depends
[13-Dec-2010 16:20:04] <rmatte> k, I'm out in about an hour anyways
[13-Dec-2010 16:20:31] <rmatte> the graphs on my actual ESX boxes look great though
[13-Dec-2010 16:21:15] <rmatte> Meh, I'm not even going to bother monitoring the vSphere server, it's redundant anyways
[13-Dec-2010 16:21:23] <ericenns> cool next thing on my list is interface modeling
[13-Dec-2010 16:21:29] <rmatte> nice
[13-Dec-2010 16:21:45] <ericenns> yeah better to go to the actual machines removes the single point of failure
[13-Dec-2010 16:21:52] <rmatte> If you need help with that, I've done work with interface modeler plugins before
[13-Dec-2010 16:22:08] <rmatte> though I've only done snmp stuff
[13-Dec-2010 16:22:14] <rmatte> but I doubt it'll be overly difficult
[13-Dec-2010 16:22:17] <ericenns> ok that would be nice I got to make the back end script thought first
[13-Dec-2010 16:22:22] <rmatte> just need to use the linux command interface plugin as reference
[13-Dec-2010 16:22:36] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Dec-2010 16:22:55] <ericenns> might be better to look at my existing modeler plugins
[13-Dec-2010 16:23:20] <ericenns> but I'm off now later
[13-Dec-2010 16:23:23] * ericenns away
[13-Dec-2010 16:23:42] <rmatte> later
[13-Dec-2010 16:28:30] <rhys> I've been reading through documents about events. All I need to change the class of something is an EventClass Mapping right?
[13-Dec-2010 16:29:00] <rmatte> yes
[13-Dec-2010 16:29:05] <rmatte> if it's coming in as /Unknown
[13-Dec-2010 16:29:08] <rhys> i added a mapping with a bit of regex that i've tested in python to /Ignore but the events are still coming up /Unknown
[13-Dec-2010 16:29:28] <rmatte> k, I can help you out with that, I'm very good at event mappings...
[13-Dec-2010 16:29:51] <rhys> pattern = re.compile("\(root\) CMD.*") pattern.match("(root) CMD (/etc/ping_hosts.sh)")
[13-Dec-2010 16:29:52] <rmatte> when you view the details of the events in the event console...
[13-Dec-2010 16:30:04] <rmatte> k hold up...
[13-Dec-2010 16:30:13] <rmatte> what does the actual event summary of the event look like first off?
[13-Dec-2010 16:30:30] <rhys> ah. i take it the match isnt against the summary?
[13-Dec-2010 16:30:52] <rmatte> It is... but there's more to it than that
[13-Dec-2010 16:31:00] <rhys> (root) CMD (/etc/ping_hosts.sh) is the summary
[13-Dec-2010 16:31:06] <rmatte> ok now...
[13-Dec-2010 16:31:11] <rmatte> view the event details of the event
[13-Dec-2010 16:31:17] <rmatte> and tell me if eventClassKey is blank or not
[13-Dec-2010 16:31:55] <rhys> its not blank. it has /usr/sbin/cron
[13-Dec-2010 16:32:08] <rmatte> ok, and your event mapping is called /usr/sbin/cron?
[13-Dec-2010 16:32:25] <rhys> oh. no?
[13-Dec-2010 16:32:31] <rmatte> ok...
[13-Dec-2010 16:32:37] <rmatte> delete the event mapping that you created
[13-Dec-2010 16:32:47] <rhys> i wondered why it asked me for "ID"
[13-Dec-2010 16:33:01] <rmatte> I'll show you a shortcut that works with most mappings
[13-Dec-2010 16:33:21] <rmatte> let me know once you've deleted it
[13-Dec-2010 16:33:31] <rhys> deleted
[13-Dec-2010 16:33:44] <rmatte> ok, so click on the event in the event console that you want to create a mapping for
[13-Dec-2010 16:33:58] <rmatte> then you'll see a button in the top left of the event console that looks like an upside down candlestick
[13-Dec-2010 16:34:01] <rmatte> click on that
[13-Dec-2010 16:34:06] <rmatte> then select /Ignore as the class
[13-Dec-2010 16:34:15] <rmatte> and click submit
[13-Dec-2010 16:34:28] <rmatte> then click on the link that comes up to navigate to the newly created mapping
[13-Dec-2010 16:35:02] <rhys> ah
[13-Dec-2010 16:35:10] <rmatte> now... do you want to ignore all /usr/sbin/cron events, or just for that 1 specific ping_hosts shell script?
[13-Dec-2010 16:35:13] <rhys> i tried that. now i just modify the regex to encompass all 4 rules
[13-Dec-2010 16:35:23] <rmatte> no...
[13-Dec-2010 16:35:27] <willwh> hi guys 
[13-Dec-2010 16:35:32] <willwh> rmatte: was looking for you on friday 
[13-Dec-2010 16:35:32] <rmatte> It'll match based on the eventClassKey by default
[13-Dec-2010 16:35:44] <rmatte> so if anything comes in with the /usr/sbin/cron eventClassKey it'll ignore it
[13-Dec-2010 16:35:56] <rmatte> but if you want it to be more specific you need to setup rules in the event mapping
[13-Dec-2010 16:36:09] <rhys> and its changed it to usr_sbin_cron as the eventClassKey
[13-Dec-2010 16:36:14] <rmatte> are there very specific event summaries that you want to ignore, or are you good with having it ignore anything from /usr/sbin/cron?
[13-Dec-2010 16:36:20] <rmatte> that's fine
[13-Dec-2010 16:36:39] <rmatte> I guess / is not a valid character for the eventClassKey
[13-Dec-2010 16:36:46] <rmatte> it does have slashes in the actual event though?
[13-Dec-2010 16:36:53] <rhys> yes.
[13-Dec-2010 16:37:01] <rhys> oh
[13-Dec-2010 16:37:15] <rmatte> perhaps you were looking at the component?
[13-Dec-2010 16:37:19] <rmatte> and not the eventClassKey?
[13-Dec-2010 16:37:30] <rhys> scratch that. Name and eventClassKey. eventClassKey is right, name was changed to underscores
[13-Dec-2010 16:37:31] * rmatte is just guessing
[13-Dec-2010 16:37:33] <rhys> i understand now
[13-Dec-2010 16:37:42] <rmatte> ok cool
[13-Dec-2010 16:37:51] <rmatte> the eventClassKey is really what matters
[13-Dec-2010 16:37:54] <rmatte> the name can be anything
[13-Dec-2010 16:38:12] <rmatte> but yeh, so now any events coming in with that eventClassKey will be ignored
[13-Dec-2010 16:38:18] <rmatte> but you can adjust the mapping to make it more specific
[13-Dec-2010 16:38:25] <rhys> so first it checks eventClassKey, then RegEx?
[13-Dec-2010 16:38:41] <rmatte> well, regex checks the summary... but you can also use rules...
[13-Dec-2010 16:38:42] <rmatte> for example...
[13-Dec-2010 16:38:59] <rmatte> you see the "Rule" box at the top?
[13-Dec-2010 16:39:12] <rmatte> you can add something to that box like...
[13-Dec-2010 16:39:19] <rhys> yes.
[13-Dec-2010 16:39:30] <rmatte> if evt.summary = "This text" or evt.summary = "This other text" or evt.summary = "blah"
[13-Dec-2010 16:39:47] <rmatte> and then the mapping will only apply to events matching those event properties
[13-Dec-2010 16:40:07] <rmatte> also, lets say you wanted some events to go to history and some to be dropped entirely, then you could use a transform
[13-Dec-2010 16:40:26] <rmatte> you would set the action in zProperties to status (or whatever you want the default to be) and then you'd do something like...
[13-Dec-2010 16:40:35] <rmatte> if evt.summary = "This text":
[13-Dec-2010 16:40:44] <rmatte>  evt._action = 'drop'
[13-Dec-2010 16:40:52] <rmatte> oops sorry...
[13-Dec-2010 16:40:57] <rmatte> if evt.summary == "This text":
[13-Dec-2010 16:41:00] <rmatte>  evt._action = 'drop'
[13-Dec-2010 16:41:08] <rmatte> if evt.summary == "This other text":
[13-Dec-2010 16:41:17] <rmatte>  evt._action = 'history'
[13-Dec-2010 16:41:17] <rhys> does the function need to be just an if statement?
[13-Dec-2010 16:41:26] <rhys> can i put full functions and just make sure they return booleans?
[13-Dec-2010 16:41:43] <rmatte> the transform section can be any type of python script
[13-Dec-2010 16:41:50] <rmatte> and you can access the event properties with evt.whatever
[13-Dec-2010 16:41:59] <rhys> ah
[13-Dec-2010 16:42:00] <rmatte> evt.summary, evt.message, evt.severity, etc...
[13-Dec-2010 16:42:04] <rmatte> and do anything you want
[13-Dec-2010 16:42:09] <rmatte> you can even modify the event itself
[13-Dec-2010 16:42:15] <rmatte> evt.summary = 'whatever'
[13-Dec-2010 16:42:20] <rmatte> evt.severity = '3'
[13-Dec-2010 16:42:22] <rmatte> or whatever value
[13-Dec-2010 16:42:25] <rmatte> it's quite powerful
[13-Dec-2010 16:43:50] <rmatte> rhys: this is a good read: docs/DOC-2554
[13-Dec-2010 16:44:17] <willwh> I'm just wondering if I'm crazy, or blind 
[13-Dec-2010 16:44:24] <rmatte> willwh: why's that?
[13-Dec-2010 16:44:34] <willwh> the template menus/setup seem to have changed a bit from 2.5 > 3*
[13-Dec-2010 16:44:55] <rmatte> yes, the template stuff in 3.0 sucks right now
[13-Dec-2010 16:44:56] <willwh> I used to have a bunch of local templates on my 2.5* deploy for monitoring regex from a few sites
[13-Dec-2010 16:44:56] <rhys> so i get basic if/and/or etc statements in "Rule" ...this is purely for curiosity now, but what does the regex box do?
[13-Dec-2010 16:44:59] <willwh> for the life of me
[13-Dec-2010 16:45:06] <willwh> I cannot figure out how to do so in 3.*
[13-Dec-2010 16:45:18] <rmatte> willwh: you mean how to create local templates?
[13-Dec-2010 16:46:01] <rmatte> willwh: I know the template system in 3.0 inside and out (though I'm not a fan at the moment, they need to fix some things)
[13-Dec-2010 16:46:05] <willwh> well, no, I have local templates for a couple of 'em
[13-Dec-2010 16:46:06] <rmatte> what exactly are you trying to do?
[13-Dec-2010 16:46:23] <willwh> well - for a couple of boxes which run multiple websites
[13-Dec-2010 16:46:34] <willwh> I'd like to have additional local templates to monitor the sites themselves
[13-Dec-2010 16:46:53] <rmatte> so you want to create a new template locally is what you're saying?
[13-Dec-2010 16:47:13] <willwh> yes, which I am pretty sure I have done
[13-Dec-2010 16:47:35] <willwh> advanced -> Monitoring Templates
[13-Dec-2010 16:47:52] <willwh> shows /server/windows/device-name
[13-Dec-2010 16:47:59] <rmatte> ok simple
[13-Dec-2010 16:48:02] <rmatte> navigate to that device
[13-Dec-2010 16:48:14] <rmatte> and in the left hand menu you'll see "Monitoring Templates"
[13-Dec-2010 16:48:20] <rmatte> and you'll see the template right underneath that
[13-Dec-2010 16:48:32] <rmatte> just click on it to edit it
[13-Dec-2010 16:48:48] <rmatte> you can also edit it right from Advanced -> Monitoring Templates
[13-Dec-2010 16:48:54] <rmatte> as long as it shows up under that device
[13-Dec-2010 16:48:56] <willwh> ok
[13-Dec-2010 16:48:57] <willwh> so
[13-Dec-2010 16:49:22] <willwh> I used to use the check_http module to check some regex returns ok
[13-Dec-2010 16:49:25] <willwh> I think 
[13-Dec-2010 16:49:29] <rmatte> ok
[13-Dec-2010 16:49:34] <willwh> (dumped that deploy - so not sure exactly)
[13-Dec-2010 16:49:40] <willwh> I'd need to add a new data source?
[13-Dec-2010 16:49:45] <willwh> and threshold?
[13-Dec-2010 16:50:09] <rmatte> new datasource for starters yes... though isn't there a check_httpd template that you can just copy over and modify?
[13-Dec-2010 16:50:16] <rmatte> one comes with that pack by default
[13-Dec-2010 16:50:26] <rmatte> and gets put in /Devices//HTTP I believe
[13-Dec-2010 16:50:32] <willwh> ah
[13-Dec-2010 16:50:49] <rmatte> Copying it is a pain in the ass though in 3.0
[13-Dec-2010 16:51:09] <rmatte> you'll need to copy it to the class that the device is in for starters, hint... copying is currently called Override
[13-Dec-2010 16:51:22] <rmatte> which is apparently changing back to "Copy" eventually, since Override sounds stupid
[13-Dec-2010 16:51:33] <rmatte> but that option is available in Advanced -> Monitoring Templates
[13-Dec-2010 16:51:47] <rmatte> so select the template you want to copy, click override
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[13-Dec-2010 16:52:11] <rmatte> then select the class (they don't show them in path format anymore, which is another thing I'm rallying to have changed)
[13-Dec-2010 16:52:23] <rmatte> once it's in that class, then you can bind it to that device
[13-Dec-2010 16:52:27] <rmatte> and create a local copy
[13-Dec-2010 16:52:45] <rmatte> to bind the template to the device, just navigate to that device's page
[13-Dec-2010 16:52:52] <rmatte> then in the bottom left there's a gear icon menu
[13-Dec-2010 16:52:56] <rmatte> click on that and click bind templates
[13-Dec-2010 16:53:15] <rmatte> now the big question is how to properly create a local copy for performance templates
[13-Dec-2010 16:53:15] <rmatte> hmmm
[13-Dec-2010 16:53:33] <rmatte> oh I see
[13-Dec-2010 16:53:38] <rmatte> I think you highlight the template on the left
[13-Dec-2010 16:53:47] <rmatte> then select "Override template here" from the same menu
[13-Dec-2010 16:53:54] <rmatte> and then you can edit it locally on that device
[13-Dec-2010 16:54:01] <themactech> Can anyone here answer an 'Event Command' question?
[13-Dec-2010 16:54:13] <rmatte> themactech: if you make it quick, I have to go in 5
[13-Dec-2010 16:54:32] <themactech> ok, i call a script in the 'Command' field
[13-Dec-2010 16:54:47] <themactech> it does not trigger on 'Clear' severity
[13-Dec-2010 16:54:53] <rmatte> Are you talking about in Events - Event Manager - Commands?
[13-Dec-2010 16:54:57] <rmatte> or actual command datasources?
[13-Dec-2010 16:55:00] <rmatte> just want to be clear
[13-Dec-2010 16:55:05] <themactech> only above 'Clear' even if I put a filter to trigger on Clear+
[13-Dec-2010 16:55:13] <themactech> not a datasourc
[13-Dec-2010 16:55:20] <themactech> a script to trigger on all events
[13-Dec-2010 16:55:25] <rmatte> filters specify what not to trigger on, remove the severity filter entirely
[13-Dec-2010 16:55:44] <themactech> even with no filter it does not trigger on clear
[13-Dec-2010 16:55:46] <rmatte> If it still doesn't work after doing that, file a trac ticket because it's a bug at that point
[13-Dec-2010 16:55:55] <themactech> i assume that is the reason for the 'Clear Command' filed
[13-Dec-2010 16:56:17] <themactech> but any script called from the 'Clear Command' field loses event variables
[13-Dec-2010 16:56:20] <rmatte> sorry, I have to take off
[13-Dec-2010 16:56:23] <themactech> tx
[13-Dec-2010 16:56:31] <rmatte> it sounds like a bug honestly
[13-Dec-2010 16:56:37] <themactech> i posted in forums
[13-Dec-2010 16:56:44] <themactech> will see if any1 has ideas
[13-Dec-2010 16:56:45] <rmatte> document it precisely and log a trac ticket (look to see if you can find any pre-existing first)
[13-Dec-2010 16:56:49] <rmatte> k
[13-Dec-2010 16:56:52] <themactech> later
[13-Dec-2010 16:56:54] <rmatte> later
[13-Dec-2010 16:56:54] <themactech> tx again
[13-Dec-2010 16:56:58] <rmatte> np
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[13-Dec-2010 17:28:43] <wobblyonions> Hi guys, having some issues with Zenoss in that it keeps trigering hearbeat failures etc for Zenoss processors,anyone got any ideas at all?
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[14-Dec-2010 09:29:48] * davetoo yawns
[14-Dec-2010 09:30:48] * Sam-I-Am too
[14-Dec-2010 09:30:55] <Sam-I-Am> sodark in the morning
[14-Dec-2010 09:31:57] <davetoo> yep
[14-Dec-2010 09:32:10] <davetoo> starting a new gig today
[14-Dec-2010 09:32:15] * Sam-I-Am is writing rrdtool stuffs for a custom graph definition
[14-Dec-2010 09:32:16] <Sam-I-Am> cool
[14-Dec-2010 09:32:18] <davetoo> commute is going to be hells
[14-Dec-2010 09:32:19] <Sam-I-Am> where at?
[14-Dec-2010 09:33:02] <davetoo> it's a short contract, but... downtown San Jose (CA), which is going to be a lousy commute
[14-Dec-2010 09:34:12] <rmatte> speaking of lousy commutes
[14-Dec-2010 09:34:25] <rmatte> I left my place at 7:10 this morning, arrived at work at 9:30
[14-Dec-2010 09:34:33] <davetoo> damn
[14-Dec-2010 09:34:39] <rmatte> Normally it takes me only an hour by bus, but this morning was hell
[14-Dec-2010 09:34:53] <rmatte> ended up waiting a full hour for just 1 bus, then 2 of them arrive back to back (idiots)
[14-Dec-2010 09:35:05] <rmatte> then the bus I'm on gets stuck in snow, so we have to wait for another
[14-Dec-2010 09:35:06] <Sam-I-Am> davetoo: commuting anywhere in CA sucks
[14-Dec-2010 09:35:32] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: good thing you have internet access on your phone (or something)
[14-Dec-2010 09:35:37] <Sam-I-Am> and hope you had coffee
[14-Dec-2010 09:35:47] <ericenns> and they say my city has the worst transit
[14-Dec-2010 09:36:05] <davetoo> ericenns: where?
[14-Dec-2010 09:36:17] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am: when the weather is good I ride a motorcycle
[14-Dec-2010 09:36:18] <ericenns> winnipeg, mb
[14-Dec-2010 09:36:35] <davetoo> hmm
[14-Dec-2010 09:36:40] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am:  where are you?
[14-Dec-2010 09:36:48] <ericenns> we have the best transit access system, in canada but the worst transit if that makes sense
[14-Dec-2010 09:37:46] <davetoo> rmatte: I can't remember where you are.  Seattle?
[14-Dec-2010 09:37:58] <davetoo> anyway, yeah, and there's no parking where I'm going today.
[14-Dec-2010 09:38:03] <davetoo> it's 06:38
[14-Dec-2010 09:38:12] <davetoo> I don't *do* mornings 
[14-Dec-2010 09:38:19] <Sam-I-Am> davetoo: kansas!
[14-Dec-2010 09:38:51] <davetoo> ah, I "know" somebody (on-line) in Manhattan 
[14-Dec-2010 09:39:17] <Sam-I-Am> i'm in lawrence... about 1.5 hours from there.
[14-Dec-2010 09:39:28] <Sam-I-Am> i have equipment there though
[14-Dec-2010 09:39:32] <Sam-I-Am> and many other locations in kansas
[14-Dec-2010 09:39:50] <davetoo> heh... The Day After
[14-Dec-2010 09:40:14] <davetoo> are you old enough to have seen that? 
[14-Dec-2010 09:40:53] <rmatte> davetoo: Ottawa, Canada
[14-Dec-2010 09:40:58] <rmatte> I'm a canuck
[14-Dec-2010 09:41:08] <davetoo> Canuckistani 
[14-Dec-2010 09:41:19] <rmatte> lol
[14-Dec-2010 09:41:19] <davetoo> My ex-boss was a Newfie
[14-Dec-2010 09:41:37] <rmatte> yeh well, Newfs take it to the extreme
[14-Dec-2010 09:41:41] <rmatte> we don't talk like that here
[14-Dec-2010 09:41:43] <rmatte> 
[14-Dec-2010 09:42:48] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[14-Dec-2010 09:55:59] <davetoo> so is *nobody* testing trunk?
[14-Dec-2010 09:57:11] <rmatte> no, I wait until the beta before testing
[14-Dec-2010 09:57:37] <davetoo> I want (need?) to test relstorage
[14-Dec-2010 09:58:05] <davetoo> I'd better get off my but and start moving 
[14-Dec-2010 09:58:13] <davetoo> My brain doesn't work well in the morning
[14-Dec-2010 09:58:21] <rmatte> lol
[14-Dec-2010 09:58:35] <davetoo> if it starts raining before 9:00 the traffic will suck
[14-Dec-2010 10:04:58] <Sam-I-Am> so... the docs seem a bit vague
[14-Dec-2010 10:05:17] <Sam-I-Am> why would i want a remote hub instead of just remote collectors?
[14-Dec-2010 10:05:22] <davetoo> eh,
[14-Dec-2010 10:05:30] <rmatte> "remote hub"?
[14-Dec-2010 10:05:32] <Sam-I-Am> first time deploying remote anything here
[14-Dec-2010 10:05:40] <davetoo> rmatte: one of the Enterprise options
[14-Dec-2010 10:05:45] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am: you don't.
[14-Dec-2010 10:05:45] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, apparently you can have remote hubs
[14-Dec-2010 10:05:55] <rmatte> pretty sure that's just for redundancy
[14-Dec-2010 10:06:10] <Sam-I-Am> didnt think so, but the docs werent too particular on what each one does (well, what more the hub does)
[14-Dec-2010 10:06:11] <rmatte> either that, or it's to have a single point of collection on a client's network which then feeds it back to the main elsewhere
[14-Dec-2010 10:06:16] <Simon4> it's not for redundancy
[14-Dec-2010 10:06:30] <Simon4> it's for "uber" scaling apparently, when things get busy enough that you need more than one hub
[14-Dec-2010 10:06:32] <davetoo> I was told that the connection between the daemons and the hub is more robust than hub-to-zodb
[14-Dec-2010 10:06:35] <Simon4> (or so I was told)
[14-Dec-2010 10:06:43] <Simon4> davetoo: I would agree with that
[14-Dec-2010 10:06:46] <davetoo> that was almost two years ago
[14-Dec-2010 10:07:03] <rmatte> it's probably for situation where you would have say 3 different subnets feeding back to the hub, then the hub feeding back to the master, so the master can't talk directly to any of those 3 subnets
[14-Dec-2010 10:07:05] <davetoo> and the daemons are slowly being made more robust there as well.
[14-Dec-2010 10:07:07] <rmatte> for security reasons or whatever
[14-Dec-2010 10:07:24] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am: Enterprise, yes?
[14-Dec-2010 10:07:44] <rmatte> yeh he's running ent
[14-Dec-2010 10:08:06] <Simon4> rmatte: I tested exactly that, and it still worked better with just theone hub and multiple collectors via a vpn tunnel
[14-Dec-2010 10:08:17] <davetoo> of course you'll want some worker hub threads configured.  Depending upon * of cpu cores
[14-Dec-2010 10:08:17] * rmatte shrugs
[14-Dec-2010 10:08:22] <Sam-I-Am> davetoo: yep
[14-Dec-2010 10:10:53] <davetoo> now... when Avalon comes out, that will be interesting
[14-Dec-2010 10:11:13] <davetoo> the hub will also be talking to a new daemon (zeneventd)
[14-Dec-2010 10:12:19] <rmatte> yeh, that's with that new RabbitMQ thing or whatever it's called
[14-Dec-2010 10:12:26] <davetoo> yes
[14-Dec-2010 10:12:38] <fragfutter> introducing rabbitMQ into zenoss?
[14-Dec-2010 10:12:40] <davetoo> offloads mapping/transforms, I think.
[14-Dec-2010 10:12:42] <davetoo> yep
[14-Dec-2010 10:12:44] <rmatte> fragfutter: yup
[14-Dec-2010 10:12:49] <davetoo> transporting events stuff.
[14-Dec-2010 10:12:58] <fragfutter> i know what rabbitMQ is 
[14-Dec-2010 10:13:21] <davetoo> I"m guessing it's also the transport for the Zen Events Collector/corellator/whatever they call it,
[14-Dec-2010 10:13:43] <davetoo> and it's also for transport to/from some new Java-based enterprise features
[14-Dec-2010 10:14:04] <davetoo> fragfutter: have you used rabbitMQ?
[14-Dec-2010 10:15:08] <fragfutter> davetoo: no. i read up on it, it is in evaluation for a messaging service (distributed computers talking to each other, publish-subscriber model)
[14-Dec-2010 10:15:33] <davetoo> fragfutter: I know about rabbitMQ too    But only since hearing about it here.
[14-Dec-2010 10:16:10] <davetoo> Also, MCollective (now owned by Puppet Labs) can use it; that's an interesting-looking cluster management tool
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[14-Dec-2010 10:40:10] <davetoo> Hopefully $client's firewall will let me back into IRC later.
[14-Dec-2010 10:40:12] <davetoo> see y'all
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[14-Dec-2010 10:51:12] <Sam-I-Am> hmm weird
[14-Dec-2010 10:51:26] <Sam-I-Am> something dumped a .orig file of something, 0 size, with no permissions
[14-Dec-2010 10:51:38] <Sam-I-Am> which b0rked rsync for collector creation
[14-Dec-2010 10:51:57] <Sam-I-Am> anyone know of a patch that would affect testActionRuleWindow.py?
[14-Dec-2010 10:52:22] <Sam-I-Am> sure looks like the DST patch
[14-Dec-2010 11:02:48] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, automated collector deployment in enterprise is a little rough at best
[14-Dec-2010 11:07:11] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: lets just say you have to have everything ... just right
[14-Dec-2010 11:08:40] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[14-Dec-2010 11:09:47] <Sam-I-Am> looking at the instructions for generating the ssh keys, someone might want to add "make sure you ssh in as the zenoss user first" ... since zenoss doesnt answer "yes" to the accept-this-key question
[14-Dec-2010 11:13:37] <fragfutter> i would install the host-key of the target for all users on the server.
[14-Dec-2010 11:14:37] <fragfutter> i once had a puppet setup that would (upon installation of a new server) collect the new host-key, and distribute it on all linux machines. This way if anything like "do you trust" came up everyone knew something is broken, you should never be asked in a properly configured environment.
[14-Dec-2010 11:16:46] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: hah, that caused me much swearing
[14-Dec-2010 11:16:51] <Simon4> and yeah, I now have puppet do that
[14-Dec-2010 11:17:15] * fragfutter wants to play with puppet(s) again
[14-Dec-2010 11:24:26] <fragfutter> guess i will go home before hell freezes over
[14-Dec-2010 11:30:09] <Sam-I-Am> huh, wonder why my more-specific device template is not automagically being used
[14-Dec-2010 11:30:48] <Sam-I-Am> its definitely there and configured the same way it was on my test box
[14-Dec-2010 11:30:56] <Sam-I-Am> if i add a device underneath it... it should take
[14-Dec-2010 11:50:30] <nzle> if I have a template with a datasource with 'use ssh' checked, then zenoss should be ssh'ng to the host in question using the creds in the zproperties, and running the script in the template, right?
[14-Dec-2010 11:52:43] <nzle> I dont see a login attempt in the hosts secure log. so it doesnt seem to be attempting.
[14-Dec-2010 11:54:19] <Sam-I-Am> hmmmm @ graphing with remote collectors
[14-Dec-2010 11:54:23] <Sam-I-Am> no graphs are showing
[14-Dec-2010 11:54:26] <nzle> also, and perhaps this in some way showes what Im missing,  the component in the template has something meaningfull but in the timeout event the component just says zencommand.
[14-Dec-2010 11:54:28] <Sam-I-Am> no errors either
[14-Dec-2010 11:55:52] <Sam-I-Am> so what calls rrdtool for a remote collector... collector or hub/main?
[14-Dec-2010 11:56:41] <Simon4> zenrender on the collector
[14-Dec-2010 11:56:48] <Simon4> so the render url becomes critical
[14-Dec-2010 11:58:27] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm, wonder what url its calling...
[14-Dec-2010 11:59:25] <Sam-I-Am> the render url points to the main box
[14-Dec-2010 11:59:33] <Sam-I-Am> on 8090
[14-Dec-2010 12:01:39] <Simon4> try right clicking on the broken graph image link and seeing what the url is
[14-Dec-2010 12:02:48] <Sam-I-Am> cant actually tell where its pointing
[14-Dec-2010 12:02:54] <Sam-I-Am> i see the zoom buttons and some arrows
[14-Dec-2010 12:04:26] <Simon4> view source
[14-Dec-2010 12:05:24] <Sam-I-Am> still not having any luck
[14-Dec-2010 12:05:30] <Sam-I-Am> the documentation for remote collectors is terrible
[14-Dec-2010 12:08:48] <Sam-I-Am> interesting, port 8090 is not mentioned anwhere in the docs
[14-Dec-2010 12:09:04] <Sam-I-Am> but looking through the message board it needs to be open on the hub
[14-Dec-2010 12:13:06] <Sam-I-Am> hmm thats weird
[14-Dec-2010 12:13:19] <Sam-I-Am> apparently my local browser needs access to 8090 on the zenoss server now
[14-Dec-2010 12:13:23] <Sam-I-Am> not the server itself
[14-Dec-2010 12:22:51] <Sam-I-Am> oh, thats awesome
[14-Dec-2010 12:23:06] <Sam-I-Am> zenoss completely ignores my default rrd CF
[14-Dec-2010 12:23:55] <Simon4> I found I had to restart all the daemons to get that picked up
[14-Dec-2010 12:24:10] <Sam-I-Am> on which?
[14-Dec-2010 12:24:11] <Simon4> which generally meant stopping all the daemons, cleaning up the rrd files, and starting them again
[14-Dec-2010 12:24:13] <Simon4> everywhere
[14-Dec-2010 12:24:15] <Sam-I-Am> ugh
[14-Dec-2010 12:24:23] <Simon4> the daemons cache the rrd create command at startup
[14-Dec-2010 12:24:33] <Simon4> so changing it doesn't seem to propogate
[14-Dec-2010 12:24:36] <Simon4> in my experience anyway
[14-Dec-2010 12:24:49] <Sam-I-Am> interesting
[14-Dec-2010 12:24:56] <Sam-I-Am> well, guess ill find out in a sec
[14-Dec-2010 12:29:22] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm @ deleting devices from collector didnt actually delete them... sorta
[14-Dec-2010 12:34:23] <Sam-I-Am> i think that worked
[14-Dec-2010 12:41:45] <nzle> Can anyone suggest why a template using the 'use ssh' to call a script on a  remote machine might not be working.   Paths and such all seem in order, but no ssh session is hitting the remote machine.
[14-Dec-2010 12:43:10] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: yeah the heartbeats stayed
[14-Dec-2010 12:43:42] <ericenns> Sam-I-Am: nevermind I'm thinking of deleting remote collectors
[14-Dec-2010 12:44:34] <nzle> im still here, that was another session
[14-Dec-2010 12:49:06] <willwh_> hi guys - anyone tried this? docs/DOC-9451#d0e5029
[14-Dec-2010 12:49:24] <willwh_> I'm a little stuck on 10+....
[14-Dec-2010 12:49:40] <willwh_> does the command go in the command template field? (I am guessing?)
[14-Dec-2010 12:49:48] <ericenns> yes that is correct
[14-Dec-2010 12:49:52] <willwh_> this all seems stupidly laborious
[14-Dec-2010 12:49:55] <willwh_> compared with 2.5*
[14-Dec-2010 12:50:04] <willwh_> to be able to monitor regex on check_http on a local basis
[14-Dec-2010 12:50:10] <ericenns> it checks to see if the command is in $ZENHOME/libexec I believe
[14-Dec-2010 12:50:26] <willwh_> well - it doesn't seem to be
[14-Dec-2010 12:50:28] <willwh_> incedently.
[14-Dec-2010 12:50:42] <ericenns> have you set your command to be executable
[14-Dec-2010 12:51:07] <willwh_> I am running 3* -> that is $ZENHOME\common\
[14-Dec-2010 12:51:11] <willwh_> libexec*
[14-Dec-2010 12:51:29] <ericenns> I am running 3.0 and for me it is $ZENHOME/libexec
[14-Dec-2010 12:51:45] <willwh_> if I; cd $ZENHOME/common/libexec/./check_http -> is np
[14-Dec-2010 12:51:51] <willwh_> what are you running it on ericenns ?
[14-Dec-2010 12:51:56] <willwh_> ubuntu 10.10..
[14-Dec-2010 12:52:36] <Sam-I-Am> and so goes the big question... derive w/ 0 minimum vs. straight counter for network interfaces
[14-Dec-2010 12:52:51] * Simon4 derives(tm)
[14-Dec-2010 12:54:55] <ericenns> im running centos but I used the rpm install not the stack
[14-Dec-2010 12:54:57] <Sam-I-Am> do you drink before it?
[14-Dec-2010 12:55:26] <Sam-I-Am> think i'll do the derive thing... it'll help the most on 32-bit counters i think
[14-Dec-2010 12:55:35] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: always 
[14-Dec-2010 12:58:02] <Sam-I-Am> think my collector is finally behaving... thanks
[14-Dec-2010 12:58:10] <Sam-I-Am> only 3 more to wrangle 
[14-Dec-2010 13:01:08] <willwh_> 
[14-Dec-2010 13:49:55] <joko> hola
[14-Dec-2010 13:50:48] <joko> im looking for guidance on monitoring DFS shares
[14-Dec-2010 13:52:54] <joko> I've tried just simply mapping a drive on a server, and removing the NetworkDrives zProperty to no avail
[14-Dec-2010 13:53:14] <joko> but i believe it grabs that info via SNMP
[14-Dec-2010 13:54:34] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, not familiar with that... are you using a zenpack?
[14-Dec-2010 13:59:27] <rmatte> joko: have you tried an "snmpdf" to see if that drive even shows up via snmp?
[14-Dec-2010 13:59:36] <rmatte> that filesystem, rather
[14-Dec-2010 13:59:43] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: for iflastchange, did you do counter or derive/min=0 ?
[14-Dec-2010 13:59:57] <rmatte> let me check, I think it was counter but I'll make sure
[14-Dec-2010 14:00:49] <Sam-I-Am> noticed my network gear got a new feature recently... when you clear counters in the CLI, it doesnt clear SNMP
[14-Dec-2010 14:02:53] <mducharme-laptop> afternoon
[14-Dec-2010 14:03:07] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: http://fpaste.org/YHpw/raw/
[14-Dec-2010 14:03:11] <rmatte> there's everything I did
[14-Dec-2010 14:03:18] <rmatte> oh sorry, forgot to include the datasource type in that
[14-Dec-2010 14:03:20] * rmatte doh
[14-Dec-2010 14:03:24] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[14-Dec-2010 14:04:07] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/R8Mf/raw/
[14-Dec-2010 14:04:09] <rmatte> voila
[14-Dec-2010 14:05:15] <Sam-I-Am> ah, so it is a derive
[14-Dec-2010 14:05:21] <rmatte> yup
[14-Dec-2010 14:05:28] <rmatte> the transform was the tricky part though
[14-Dec-2010 14:06:24] <rmatte> not too tricky, but took some time and testing
[14-Dec-2010 14:07:32] <Sam-I-Am> thanks
[14-Dec-2010 14:10:11] <rmatte> np
[14-Dec-2010 14:19:41] <Sam-I-Am> btw, if you need any semi-nifty rrd graph definition recipies...
[14-Dec-2010 14:22:05] <rmatte> will do 
[14-Dec-2010 14:23:07] <rmatte> certain devices can be a bit buggy when it comes to the ifLastChange value, so if you find a device is spamming the crap out of you with alerts because the value is constantly changing but isn't affecting the port, just disable the threshold for that one specific interface
[14-Dec-2010 14:23:10] <Sam-I-Am> havent done a lot of other creative stuff yet that you havent done yet
[14-Dec-2010 14:23:19] <rmatte> I've had that happen a few times, but it's been less than 20 interfaces out of thousands
[14-Dec-2010 14:24:09] <Sam-I-Am> right now i use traps for that, but depending on the situation, the 'up' trap gets lost
[14-Dec-2010 14:25:10] <rmatte> down traps can get lost too
[14-Dec-2010 14:25:14] <rmatte> it's not very reliable
[14-Dec-2010 14:25:19] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, same there
[14-Dec-2010 14:25:35] <rmatte> plus I monitor lots of different types of devices
[14-Dec-2010 14:25:41] <rmatte> not all of them send interface traps
[14-Dec-2010 14:25:42] <Sam-I-Am> so i think polling might work a little better
[14-Dec-2010 14:25:50] <rmatte> and the ones that do, the traps are different between different makes
[14-Dec-2010 14:25:54] <rmatte> and models
[14-Dec-2010 14:26:01] <Sam-I-Am> junipers are nice enough to queue traps
[14-Dec-2010 14:26:12] <rmatte> polling ifOperStatus and ifLastChange is the best blanket solution
[14-Dec-2010 14:26:15] <Sam-I-Am> but it only knows if it can't directly reach the next hop
[14-Dec-2010 14:26:20] <rmatte> yeh
[14-Dec-2010 14:26:29] <rmatte> it doesn't see problems down the line
[14-Dec-2010 14:41:11] <Sam-I-Am> should i send traps to the collector or the hub?
[14-Dec-2010 14:44:19] <nzle> rmatte:   I have a command template for a host which has the 'use ssh' option checked.  This should cause it to execute the script in the template on the host, right.   Its not doing it, its not trying to ssh to it at all.   Can you advise what may be going on?   This was working before.  I have tried restarting zenoss,   and I have verified the IP for the host, and the credential in zproperties.
[14-Dec-2010 14:45:43] <rmatte> nzle: do you have your zProperties configured correctly?
[14-Dec-2010 14:45:49] <rmatte> the username and password need to be specified in them
[14-Dec-2010 14:46:05] <rmatte> oh nevermind
[14-Dec-2010 14:46:07] <rmatte> I see you have
[14-Dec-2010 14:46:15] <rmatte> login to the server as the zenoss user
[14-Dec-2010 14:46:17] <rmatte> then do...
[14-Dec-2010 14:46:25] <rmatte> zencommand run -v10 -d devicename
[14-Dec-2010 14:46:33] <rmatte> replace devicename with the name of the device obviously
[14-Dec-2010 14:46:49] <rmatte> that'll give you details as to what zencommand is doing, and you'll see any errors that it is encountering
[14-Dec-2010 14:50:14] <Sam-I-Am> meh
[14-Dec-2010 14:50:21] <Sam-I-Am> theres not much documentation on enterprise features
[14-Dec-2010 14:51:13] <nzle> Ok that showed the ssh being done.  Ill examin it to see where my script is breakin gdown.  thanx
[14-Dec-2010 14:53:01] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: you round?
[14-Dec-2010 14:53:59] <joko>  hmm
[14-Dec-2010 14:54:19] <nzle> rmatte:  also, could you suggest why events caused by this template are coming up with a component of zencommand, instead of the meaninful component I have configured in the template?
[14-Dec-2010 14:55:36] <joko> snmpdf, interesting
[14-Dec-2010 14:56:59] <joko> very cool lil program
[14-Dec-2010 14:57:35] <joko> but yeah, it doesn't grab network drive info 
[14-Dec-2010 14:59:33] <rmatte> joko: there's a net-snmp config option to make it
[14-Dec-2010 14:59:59] <rmatte> oh, actually it's to skip them
[14-Dec-2010 15:00:45] <rmatte> oh, that's the one
[14-Dec-2010 15:00:46] <rmatte> storageUseNFS 1
[14-Dec-2010 15:00:52] <rmatte> try adding that to you snmpd.conf
[14-Dec-2010 15:00:58] <rmatte> (if you're using net-snmp)
[14-Dec-2010 15:01:06] <joko> well, yeah, it's windows cifs
[14-Dec-2010 15:01:10] <joko> DFS, whatever
[14-Dec-2010 15:01:23] <rmatte> but it's mapped to a linux box?
[14-Dec-2010 15:01:40] <joko> nope
[14-Dec-2010 15:01:53] <rmatte> ah, so this is a network drive on a windows box using dfs
[14-Dec-2010 15:01:57] <rmatte> yeh, doubt that's possible
[14-Dec-2010 15:01:58] <joko> correct
[14-Dec-2010 15:02:02] <joko> 
[14-Dec-2010 15:02:04] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: i know you dont use enterprise, but do you know if traps should get sent to the collector or the main box?
[14-Dec-2010 15:02:04] <rmatte> you could probably get it via WMI though
[14-Dec-2010 15:02:04] <joko> darn
[14-Dec-2010 15:02:07] <joko> yea
[14-Dec-2010 15:02:14] <joko> i was thinking mayybe WMI
[14-Dec-2010 15:02:18] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: collector
[14-Dec-2010 15:02:29] <Sam-I-Am> interesting
[14-Dec-2010 15:02:43] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: the collector runs zentrap and forwards them to zenhub on the master
[14-Dec-2010 15:03:03] <Sam-I-Am> ahh, so same on enterprise as the zenpack for community?
[14-Dec-2010 15:03:09] <rmatte> the only things running on the collector are things like zenperfsnmp, zentrap, zensyslog, zenwin
[14-Dec-2010 15:03:15] <rmatte> and all of those connect back to zenhub on the master
[14-Dec-2010 15:03:31] <rmatte> I believe so, the community method is based on the enterprise method
[14-Dec-2010 15:03:46] <rmatte> It wouldn't make much sense to have traps having to go the master
[14-Dec-2010 15:03:54] <rmatte> but then being able to monitor everything else on the collectors
[14-Dec-2010 15:03:56] <rmatte> same with syslogs
[14-Dec-2010 15:04:04] <Sam-I-Am> aight
[14-Dec-2010 15:04:11] * Sam-I-Am heads to a meeting
[14-Dec-2010 15:05:20] <joko> hmm
[14-Dec-2010 15:05:38] <joko> rmatte: do you work for zenoss? i always see you on the community forums
[14-Dec-2010 15:06:55] <rmatte> nope
[14-Dec-2010 15:06:58] <rmatte> wish I did lol
[14-Dec-2010 15:07:06] <nzle> I thought you did..
[14-Dec-2010 15:07:06] <rmatte> I work for a company called Nova Networks
[14-Dec-2010 15:07:09] <joko> sounds like it 
[14-Dec-2010 15:07:10] <rmatte> and we use Zenoss heavily here
[14-Dec-2010 15:07:15] <joko> nice
[14-Dec-2010 15:07:24] <rmatte> I have 16 Production instances of Zenoss at the moment
[14-Dec-2010 15:07:32] <joko> wow, nice
[14-Dec-2010 15:07:33] <rmatte> and 3 lab instances
[14-Dec-2010 15:07:34] <rmatte> 
[14-Dec-2010 15:07:42] <joko> i have 1 production....
[14-Dec-2010 15:07:49] <joko> 
[14-Dec-2010 15:07:54] <joko> and 1 lab
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:07] <rmatte> yeh, we do monitoring for different clients so we have 1 per client for our larger clients, and then a few multi-client servers
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:14] <joko> ahh
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:21] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, meeting rescheduled
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:23] <rmatte> and it all feeds back in to our ticketing system
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:25] <Sam-I-Am> yay for one more hour of productivity
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:29] <joko> what version do you prefer?
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:32] <rmatte> tickets get automatically opened for alerts
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:36] <joko> nice
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:38] <rmatte> I'm using 2.5.2 in production
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:40] <joko> yea
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:42] <rmatte> waiting for 3.x to shape up
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:44] <joko> 2.5.2 is pretty nice
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:48] <joko> same
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:50] <Sam-I-Am> and i'm using 2.5.2 as per rmatte's opinion 
[14-Dec-2010 15:08:56] <rmatte> hehe
[14-Dec-2010 15:09:02] <Sam-I-Am> i tried 3... it was... needswork
[14-Dec-2010 15:09:06] <rmatte> yeh
[14-Dec-2010 15:09:16] <rmatte> I have a 3.x lab that I've been upgrading as they do new releases
[14-Dec-2010 15:09:23] <rmatte> and it's still not production-worthy in my opinion
[14-Dec-2010 15:09:35] <rmatte> it's mostly the template editing that drives me nuts in the new UI
[14-Dec-2010 15:09:54] <rmatte> but I had a webex session with Nick Yeates and brought those bugs to his attention
[14-Dec-2010 15:10:00] <rmatte> hopefully something will be done about them
[14-Dec-2010 15:10:07] <rmatte> soon
[14-Dec-2010 15:10:08] <rmatte> lol
[14-Dec-2010 15:10:30] <joko> Mapped network drive seems to work with Windows 2003. However the WMI specification says that  this query on mapped drives have been deprecated... please report back you have tested this with later version of Windows server.
[14-Dec-2010 15:10:32] <Sam-I-Am> i figure once i get 2.5.2 perfectly rolled out, 3 will become good.
[14-Dec-2010 15:10:37] <joko> WMI Files monitor zenpack
[14-Dec-2010 15:10:45] <rmatte> I understand it's a new UI and all, but I can't believe some of the bugs made it past QA
[14-Dec-2010 15:10:47] <joko> that was meant to be " "
[14-Dec-2010 15:11:18] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: probably the case
[14-Dec-2010 15:11:35] <rmatte> the files monitor zenpack is for monitoring files
[14-Dec-2010 15:11:37] <rmatte> not filesystems
[14-Dec-2010 15:11:49] <rmatte> just get the WMI Data Source and WMI Windows Performance packs
[14-Dec-2010 15:11:54] <joko> yeah, i just saw that
[14-Dec-2010 15:11:59] <joko> yeah, i have those
[14-Dec-2010 15:11:59] <rmatte> (Make sure they are Egor's packs)
[14-Dec-2010 15:12:06] <rmatte> then just model the device
[14-Dec-2010 15:12:09] <rmatte> and you should see it
[14-Dec-2010 15:12:17] <rmatte> put the device in /CIM/WMI
[14-Dec-2010 15:12:21] <joko> the network share?
[14-Dec-2010 15:12:25] <rmatte> yeh
[14-Dec-2010 15:12:30] <joko> hmm.
[14-Dec-2010 15:12:34] <rmatte> you weren't getting it via SNMP before
[14-Dec-2010 15:12:36] <joko> lemme check 'er out
[14-Dec-2010 15:12:38] <joko> yea
[14-Dec-2010 15:12:44] <rmatte> if you do full WMI monitoring you should see it
[14-Dec-2010 15:12:56] <joko> kk, lets try it
[14-Dec-2010 15:13:01] <rmatte> I have a mod that I'm going to do to that pack so that it can see windows mounts
[14-Dec-2010 15:13:08] <rmatte> since it can't the way it's currently polling
[14-Dec-2010 15:13:30] <rmatte> joko: is it mounted to a drive letter?
[14-Dec-2010 15:13:34] <rmatte> or is it mounted to a folder?
[14-Dec-2010 15:13:53] <rmatte> if it's mounted to a folder like C:\mymountedfolder
[14-Dec-2010 15:14:00] <rmatte> then you're currently out of luck
[14-Dec-2010 15:14:16] <joko> yea, mounted to a drive letter
[14-Dec-2010 15:14:30] <joko> logged in as the user WMI uses
[14-Dec-2010 15:14:34] <joko> mounted under, that is
[14-Dec-2010 15:15:08] <rmatte> so it's mounted as a windows share than rather than an actual drive letter
[14-Dec-2010 15:15:13] <rmatte> if so, you're currently out of luck
[14-Dec-2010 15:15:20] <rmatte> though that's a project that I'll be working on soon
[14-Dec-2010 15:15:49] <rmatte> I have the WMI queries all figured out
[14-Dec-2010 15:15:52] <rmatte> just need to do some coding
[14-Dec-2010 15:16:39] <joko> nice
[14-Dec-2010 15:19:15] <joko> rmatte: the share is mounted to X:\ for example
[14-Dec-2010 15:19:41] <joko> i have to run this damn packet capture before i can look back into it
[14-Dec-2010 15:20:30] <rmatte> oh, if it's connected right on X:\ then you're fine
[14-Dec-2010 15:20:50] <rmatte> actually, I'm surprised it wasn't available via SNMP
[14-Dec-2010 15:21:01] <rmatte> but I guess mapped drives may get ignored
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[14-Dec-2010 15:48:05] <joko> quick question
[14-Dec-2010 15:48:19] <Sam-I-Am> shoot?
[14-Dec-2010 15:48:21] <joko> in 2.5.2, can reports be setup to automagically email?
[14-Dec-2010 15:48:34] <joko> i was pretty sure i checked before, and didn't see anything
[14-Dec-2010 15:48:39] <rmatte> you need to cron zensendmail
[14-Dec-2010 15:48:43] <joko> ahh
[14-Dec-2010 15:49:10] <joko> cool
[14-Dec-2010 15:49:28] <rmatte> actually hmm, is that what it's called
[14-Dec-2010 15:49:30] <rmatte> I always forget
[14-Dec-2010 15:49:45] <joko> as long as i know its possible, i can run with it 
[14-Dec-2010 15:50:00] <rmatte> yeh, there's some commandline utility that does it
[14-Dec-2010 15:51:09] <rmatte> hmmm weird
[14-Dec-2010 15:51:20] <rmatte> I just did a search for it in /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss and didn't find it
[14-Dec-2010 15:51:28] <rmatte> but I know it existed since I used it before
[14-Dec-2010 15:52:28] <joko> i would think that would be a common thing people would want, i wonder if its implemented in 3.x
[14-Dec-2010 15:52:39] <rmatte> nah
[14-Dec-2010 15:52:46] <rmatte> there's nothing new with reports in 3.x
[14-Dec-2010 15:52:53] <joko> nice ...
[14-Dec-2010 15:52:59] <rmatte> there's a whole new reports system in avalon, but it might be enterprise only
[14-Dec-2010 15:53:06] <rmatte> and even if it does come to core it'll be a pay feature
[14-Dec-2010 15:53:12] <joko> ah
[14-Dec-2010 15:53:26] <joko> yeah, we are considering moving to enterprise after the first of the year, lil steep tho
[14-Dec-2010 15:54:06] <rmatte> yeh it was called zenreportmail
[14-Dec-2010 15:54:11] <rmatte> and I don't see it anywhere in 2.5.2
[14-Dec-2010 15:54:41] <rmatte> lame that it's missing
[14-Dec-2010 15:54:58] <joko> hmmph
[14-Dec-2010 15:55:10] <rmatte> oh nevermind
[14-Dec-2010 15:55:16] <rmatte> it's just called "reportmail" now
[14-Dec-2010 15:56:22] <rmatte> # Mail File System Utilization Report to Jared at Midnight Every Day
[14-Dec-2010 15:56:22] <rmatte> 0 0 * * * bash -lc '/opt/zenoss/bin/reportmail --user=admin --passwd=zenoss --from="zenoss@example.com"; --address="yourname@example.com"; --subject="File System Utilization Report" --url="http://zenoss:8080/zport/dmd/Reports/Performance%20Reports/Filesystem%20Util%20Report"'
[14-Dec-2010 15:56:26] <rmatte> there's an example
[14-Dec-2010 15:56:40] <rmatte> replace the path with the actual path
[14-Dec-2010 15:56:51] <rmatte> it won't necessarily be in /opt/zenoss/bin
[14-Dec-2010 15:56:52] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: do you know if syslog should go to the collector too?
[14-Dec-2010 15:57:00] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: yes, it should
[14-Dec-2010 15:57:04] <Sam-I-Am> makes sense..
[14-Dec-2010 15:57:10] <rmatte> any data should go to/from the collector
[14-Dec-2010 15:57:22] <rmatte> for the devices on that collector
[14-Dec-2010 15:57:47] <rmatte> joko: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5201
[14-Dec-2010 15:57:49] <joko> rmatte: nice! thanks much 
[14-Dec-2010 15:57:52] <Sam-I-Am> its weird that my web browser contacts the main box on a strange port to render stuff off the collector
[14-Dec-2010 15:59:08] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: is more of a pain if your web interface is behind a ssl httpd - I ended up patching bits to get it all working nicely
[14-Dec-2010 15:59:30] <rmatte> I'm out, later guys
[14-Dec-2010 15:59:42] <rmatte> joko: np
[14-Dec-2010 16:00:33] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: we get our routers/switches to send syslog to two of our collectors
[14-Dec-2010 16:00:38] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: it is behind an ssl httpd
[14-Dec-2010 16:00:57] <Sam-I-Am> and hence creates some "some of this isnt encrypted" messages
[14-Dec-2010 16:01:00] <Simon4> gives us a bit of redundancy and the only downside is the count on an event goes up by two
[14-Dec-2010 16:01:21] <Sam-I-Am> not sure i have the resources yet to duplicate syslog and whatnot, but its a good idea
[14-Dec-2010 16:01:51] <Sam-I-Am> meeting!
[14-Dec-2010 16:02:00] * Simon4 will see if he can dig out the fix he sorted
[14-Dec-2010 16:02:05] <Sam-I-Am> sure
[14-Dec-2010 16:02:10] <Sam-I-Am> thatd be cool
[14-Dec-2010 16:02:48] <Simon4> heh http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7348
[14-Dec-2010 16:02:52] <Simon4> is my ticket
[14-Dec-2010 16:07:20] * Simon4 makes some notes in a blog post
[14-Dec-2010 16:25:39] <joko> very cool
[14-Dec-2010 16:27:10] <joko> i didn't realize there was something "special" with using /CIM/WMI
[14-Dec-2010 16:30:21] <joko> i would really like to sit down with a good zenoss book
[14-Dec-2010 16:30:38] <davetoo> it's changing too quickly 
[14-Dec-2010 16:30:51] <Simon4> read the last 6 months of irc logs 
[14-Dec-2010 16:30:54] <joko> well, perhaps
[14-Dec-2010 16:30:56] <joko> yea
[14-Dec-2010 16:31:05] <joko> irc has proven to be an amazing way to learn
[14-Dec-2010 16:31:12] <joko> and i've only been on it for a day
[14-Dec-2010 16:31:22] <joko> i have all the basics down, but i know theres tricks
[14-Dec-2010 17:26:08] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: for when you get back, I'm off to bed but I'm 90% through getting it documented/a patch, will finish tomorrow
[14-Dec-2010 17:28:30] <ericenns_> nge364
[14-Dec-2010 17:28:52] <ericenns_> hey rmatte you around
[14-Dec-2010 17:35:04] <bigegor> Hi all, i'm proud to announce my new ZenPack https://github.com/epuzanov/ZenPacks.community.CiscoEnvMon
[14-Dec-2010 17:35:39] <ericenns_> cool do you have a description
[14-Dec-2010 17:36:11] <bigegor> it adds Cisco Fan, Power Supply and Temperature sensor monitoring
[14-Dec-2010 17:36:36] <bigegor> and installed modules collection and reporting
[14-Dec-2010 17:36:40] <ericenns_> ok so like for example on my catalyst 6500
[14-Dec-2010 17:37:13] <ericenns_> that’s cool
[14-Dec-2010 17:37:40] <radix> Speaking of monitoring, say I'm writing a new application server in Python -- what's the best way for me to get my application monitored by Zenoss? Can I proved an RPC server and get it to ask me how I'm doing?
[14-Dec-2010 17:37:46] <radix> s/proved/provide/
[14-Dec-2010 17:38:45] <radix> or the other way around, connect to zenoss and tell it how I'm doing every so often?
[14-Dec-2010 18:46:58] <davetoo> argh
[14-Dec-2010 18:47:22] <davetoo> CentOS doesn't want me to set a null mysql root password
[14-Dec-2010 18:47:43] <davetoo> what does the stupid mysql-server base RPM set the password to?
[14-Dec-2010 18:53:36] <wobblyonions> Hi all, is there anyway to bulk add devices in Zenoss at all either from a CSV file or something, surely you cant be expected to add each and every devices when there are 3400 of them :-)
[14-Dec-2010 18:53:49] <wobblyonions> discover wont work in my situtation either
[14-Dec-2010 19:03:18] <davetoo> wobblyonions: yes
[14-Dec-2010 19:04:40] <willwh_> hi guys  docs/DOC-9451#d0e5029 - my path for libexec is slightly different - presumably I can just symlink it?
[14-Dec-2010 19:05:11] <willwh_> $ZENHOME/common/libexec (I used the stack installer on a debian based distro)
[14-Dec-2010 19:05:26] <davetoo> symlink should work
[14-Dec-2010 19:06:29] <davetoo> wobblyonions: docs/DOC-2503
[14-Dec-2010 19:06:46] <davetoo> That dog is horribly incomplete, though
[14-Dec-2010 19:06:53] <davetoo> I'm looking for a better reference.
[14-Dec-2010 19:07:01] <davetoo> You can set many options.,
[14-Dec-2010 19:08:41] <davetoo> wobblyonions:  blogs/zenossblog/2010/06/29/tip-of-the-month-bulk-loading-devices-with-zenbatchload
[14-Dec-2010 19:08:45] <davetoo> that one is much better
[14-Dec-2010 19:09:30] <davetoo> wobblyonions: be aware, though, that as far as I remmeber this only loads the devices and queues them up for when zenmodeler runs next,
[14-Dec-2010 19:10:25] <wobblyonions> ok great thanks davetoo will take a look into it now
[14-Dec-2010 19:13:04] <davetoo> for 3400 devices, it should take about two days 
[14-Dec-2010 19:13:10] <davetoo> seriously
[14-Dec-2010 19:13:25] <davetoo> but I'll bet my lunch money that it crashes
[14-Dec-2010 19:29:04] <willwh_> davetoo: yah symlink worked np
[14-Dec-2010 19:29:08] <willwh_> o/
[14-Dec-2010 19:29:10] <willwh_> I'm out!
[14-Dec-2010 19:29:22] <davetoo> willwh_: wait
[14-Dec-2010 19:30:23] <davetoo> one thing to think about: if you're doing very heavy usage, a symlink might have a performance penalty.  Maybe that's not an issue with modern inode caching.
[14-Dec-2010 19:34:37] <davetoo> Will Wheaton runs Zenoss 
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[15-Dec-2010 02:31:32] <MrCerulean> I would like to monitor some performance stats on a web application I have. I can create a URL on the app server that responds with the numbers I'm trying to gather. What's the best way to integrate this into ZenOSS?
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[15-Dec-2010 03:11:33] <fragfutter> MrCerulean: write a nagios cmd that outputs the performance data. I've never done that, but docs should be somewhere in zenoss.org
[15-Dec-2010 03:11:58] <MrCerulean> fragfutter: Yeah. I'm going through that now.
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[15-Dec-2010 06:45:12] <st3v3o> morning folks
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[15-Dec-2010 07:58:57] <ericenns> morning
[15-Dec-2010 08:05:18] <st3v3o> morning
[15-Dec-2010 08:05:42] <digitalmortician> hello
[15-Dec-2010 08:06:33] <digitalmortician> i tried upgrading zenoss-stack on a debian system. the upgrade failed with the information that i shall install "ZenPacks.zenoss.PreUpgrade30". unfortunately, the zenpack-binary is not existing anymore  any advice would be appreciated...
[15-Dec-2010 08:12:11] <csabo> morning
[15-Dec-2010 08:12:33] <Jane_Curry> You shouldn't need a binary - just download the package by following the "here" link in the first line at
[15-Dec-2010 08:12:37] <Jane_Curry> community/zenpacks
[15-Dec-2010 08:13:11] <csabo> Jane_Curry !
[15-Dec-2010 08:13:18] <csabo> thanks again for your email regarding tivoli
[15-Dec-2010 08:13:22] <Jane_Curry> Make sure you follow the instructions in the install guide about running zencatalog
[15-Dec-2010 08:13:49] <csabo> Jane_Curry: i've got 4 of the 3day online courses coming up early next year
[15-Dec-2010 08:14:02] <Jane_Curry> <csabo> - you're welcome!  Have you been on your class yet for alphabet soup???
[15-Dec-2010 08:15:52] <csabo> I have not  they start early next month.. i've got my sandbox enviroment up though, been playing with it, some pretty neat features
[15-Dec-2010 08:16:24] <Jane_Curry> I'd be interested in any comparison thoughts you have at this stage....
[15-Dec-2010 08:16:41] <csabo> sure, any particular features, or just overall?
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[15-Dec-2010 08:16:51] <Jane_Curry> both!
[15-Dec-2010 08:17:06] <csabo> do you want it in here, or in an email?
[15-Dec-2010 08:19:05] <csabo> overall, its a nice product, I don't like the biased nature of the documentation, most all examples and the step by steps are for windows installations, more configuration is automated.  and seeing as IBM produces AIX I'd think the AIX version would get some special treatment
[15-Dec-2010 08:19:19] <csabo> they dont give you alot of reason to want to run it off of windows.
[15-Dec-2010 08:19:56] <csabo> I like the TEPS client, the workspaces implementation is really nice
[15-Dec-2010 08:20:44] <csabo> It feels like it was designed for longterm (ie staring at it all day) where as zenoss, i get the feeling its a "get in and get out" type of interface
[15-Dec-2010 08:21:36] <csabo> I'm not a fan of having to deploy agents to machines, but the process of deploying the base agent is pretty straightforward and painless. I'd like to see the ability to SCP or copy to IPC share, for the initial agent assuming you have the credentials
[15-Dec-2010 08:22:41] <csabo> i do really like not dealing with 60s polling intervals, and the ability to run commands against the OS nativley via the agent is great
[15-Dec-2010 08:23:32] <csabo> and again i've only been playing with it for a couple weeks off and on when i've had time, so i dont have alot to say about the other agents, i've only deployed unix log and premium AIX agents
[15-Dec-2010 08:24:05] <csabo> overall, i'd say both products are good products, They both require an overall understanding of how they handle events and data, before you can really do anything with them
[15-Dec-2010 08:24:43] <csabo> imho zenoss's strong point is that its agentless, and wmi/snmp is pretty much out of the box, i've yet to figure out how to get wmi working on the windows machines.
[15-Dec-2010 08:26:48] <csabo> for a large environment I would have to seriously weigh the costs.. from my amateur standpoint ITM is far more expensive, and complex (requires training or alot of learning time). However its more configurable from the TEPS client, and the huge amount of agents make it a supierior product, for an enterprise environment
[15-Dec-2010 08:27:19] <digitalmortician> Jane_Curry: I already downloaded the zenpack from the link you mentioned. but how to install it? /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenpack is not existing...
[15-Dec-2010 08:27:38] <csabo> zenoss is again a great product, and if you know python and are good with the included technologies, i'm sure zenoss is more configurable than i give it credit for.
[15-Dec-2010 08:28:03] <csabo> digitalmortician i'm not sure thats the right path for zenpacks
[15-Dec-2010 08:28:20] <csabo> i dont recall them being in /bin..
[15-Dec-2010 08:30:05] <digitalmortician> the zenpacks are located in /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/ZenPacks/ . can i just copy it to that directory to install it?
[15-Dec-2010 08:30:17] <csabo> no
[15-Dec-2010 08:30:25] <csabo> digitalmortician do you have access to the webgui?
[15-Dec-2010 08:30:42] <digitalmortician> no, zenoss is not running at the moment
[15-Dec-2010 08:30:46] <csabo> okay
[15-Dec-2010 08:30:52] <csabo> ssh or open the terminal
[15-Dec-2010 08:30:56] <csabo> do "su - zenoss"
[15-Dec-2010 08:31:09] <digitalmortician> -su: /usr/local/zenoss/scripts/setenv.sh: No such file or directory
[15-Dec-2010 08:31:15] <csabo> the command to install a zenpack is : "zenpack --install <filename>
[15-Dec-2010 08:31:28] <csabo> digitalmortician that script probobly modifies your $PATH..ect
[15-Dec-2010 08:31:33] <digitalmortician> -su: zenpack: command not found
[15-Dec-2010 08:31:36] <csabo> looks like you have some issues with your install
[15-Dec-2010 08:31:49] <csabo> we will get to that in a second 
[15-Dec-2010 08:32:01] <csabo> but the command, when working will be "zenpack --install <filename>"
[15-Dec-2010 08:32:08] <digitalmortician> if i do a "locate zenpack", there is nothing which looks like an executable
[15-Dec-2010 08:32:25] <csabo> look in the install dir for an uninstall sh file
[15-Dec-2010 08:32:32] <ericenns> digitalmortician: do you have a backup
[15-Dec-2010 08:33:00] <digitalmortician> ericenns: unfortunately not
[15-Dec-2010 08:33:11] <digitalmortician> csabo: i did install zenoss-stack using apt
[15-Dec-2010 08:33:15] <csabo> oh
[15-Dec-2010 08:33:22] <digitalmortician> apt-get remove --purge ?
[15-Dec-2010 08:33:22] <csabo> in the future, use the stack installer from the website
[15-Dec-2010 08:33:25] <digitalmortician> ok
[15-Dec-2010 08:33:28] <csabo> i'd remove it yeah :-\
[15-Dec-2010 08:33:49] <csabo> digitalmortician i know apt is great (longtime debian user here 
[15-Dec-2010 08:34:00] <csabo> digitalmortician but zenoss doesnt like other install methods lol
[15-Dec-2010 08:34:16] <csabo> digitalmortician: just grab the .bin file from the website, make it executable (chmod +x <file>)
[15-Dec-2010 08:34:22] <csabo> digitalmortician then ./FILE
[15-Dec-2010 08:34:47] <csabo> digitalmortician the binary stack installer has a builtin updater, so when the new one comes out, just dl and run the new bin like normal, it will detect the install and upgrade
[15-Dec-2010 08:34:49] <csabo> digitalmortician works great
[15-Dec-2010 08:35:13] <csabo> digitalmortician the only thing i can say, and i cant stress this enough, dont do the installs over VPN or anything. i lost my SSH session once during install, hosed my zenoss and broke SSH on my debian server
[15-Dec-2010 08:36:03] <digitalmortician> csabo: thank you very much. i'm currently downloading the .bin
[15-Dec-2010 08:36:29] <csabo> digitalmortician no problem mate, if you have any questions just ask we can help 
[15-Dec-2010 08:36:32] <digitalmortician> i only get about 130Kb/s  this will take a while 
[15-Dec-2010 08:36:35] <csabo> hehe
[15-Dec-2010 08:36:37] <digitalmortician> thanks!
[15-Dec-2010 08:36:39] <csabo> np
[15-Dec-2010 09:02:56] <Guest75658> Damnit
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[15-Dec-2010 09:07:40] <digitalmortician> csabo: when i execute the bin, I am again asked to install ZenPacks.zenoss.PreUpgrade30
[15-Dec-2010 09:19:01] <Jane_Curry> Are you doing a fresh install now or an upgrade from a 2.x environment??
[15-Dec-2010 09:28:40] <digitalmortician> i did a fresh install to the same directory as before
[15-Dec-2010 09:29:29] <digitalmortician> which basicly is an upgrade 
[15-Dec-2010 09:30:08] <ericenns> digitalmortician: how about uninstall again then do a isntall of the older version then install do the preupgrade stuff
[15-Dec-2010 09:32:48] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[15-Dec-2010 09:41:01] <Jane_Curry> If you already have Zenoss 2.x installed then it will definitely want the preUpgrade ZenPack before upgrading to 3.x
[15-Dec-2010 09:41:25] <Jane_Curry> Do you have sufficient in your 2.x that you want to preserve???
[15-Dec-2010 09:41:53] <Jane_Curry> If not, go direct to 3.0.3 stack installer and then you don't need this pre-upgrade ZenPack
[15-Dec-2010 09:44:02] <digitalmortician> well, i do want to keep the statistic and config data from the 2.x installation
[15-Dec-2010 09:44:44] <digitalmortician> do i have to install 2.x and then upgrade to 3.0.3?
[15-Dec-2010 09:44:49] <digitalmortician> with the zenpack?
[15-Dec-2010 10:06:12] <ericenns> digitalmortician: if you really want a clean installation you can wipe /usr/local/zenoss or else you will have to install prior version and go throught the upgrade process
[15-Dec-2010 10:07:21] <joko2> Darn tootin
[15-Dec-2010 10:19:43] <digitalmortician> ericenns: is there a way to copy the config-files/statistics or even the mysql-db to restore the data after a clean installation?
[15-Dec-2010 10:21:14] <Simon4> digitalmortician: you can copy the rrd files from one install to another
[15-Dec-2010 10:21:21] <Simon4> $ZENHOME/perf/Devices
[15-Dec-2010 10:21:30] <Simon4> that's all your staticstics/performance data
[15-Dec-2010 10:22:08] <ericenns> digitalmortician: the mysql database schema changed from 2.x to 3.x
[15-Dec-2010 10:22:48] <digitalmortician> Simon4: TY
[15-Dec-2010 10:23:11] <Simon4> if you want to migrate anything else, you need to follow the _entire_ upgrade procedure from teh website
[15-Dec-2010 10:23:16] <Simon4> which includes the preupgrade zenpack
[15-Dec-2010 10:23:22] <Simon4> it's critical you do every step
[15-Dec-2010 10:25:49] <mistich> good morning
[15-Dec-2010 10:26:03] <tehhobbit> whats the best way to monitor apache vhosts, making a local template for every vhost feels like alot of work
[15-Dec-2010 10:26:36] <mistich> anyone know the xmlrpc method to change a ip on a device?
[15-Dec-2010 10:32:31] <mistich> no takers?
[15-Dec-2010 10:36:08] <mistich> anyone home?
[15-Dec-2010 10:47:17] <mistich> setManageIp
[15-Dec-2010 10:47:22] <mistich> thanks mistich 
[15-Dec-2010 10:47:40] <rmatte> it's always going to be the same as in zendmd
[15-Dec-2010 10:47:51] <rmatte> just go in to zendmd and use tab completion to see the list of possible functions
[15-Dec-2010 10:47:53] <rmatte> 
[15-Dec-2010 10:48:16] <mistich> not always have found a few that do not work
[15-Dec-2010 10:48:28] <rmatte> right, but for the most part they do
[15-Dec-2010 10:48:57] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm @ things like hw make / hw model randomly disappearing from a device page...
[15-Dec-2010 10:48:58] <mistich> yeah gotten away from this stuff for a while coming back to me
[15-Dec-2010 10:49:14] <mistich> how you been rmatte?
[15-Dec-2010 10:49:15] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: in 2.5?
[15-Dec-2010 10:49:18] <Sam-I-Am> yeah
[15-Dec-2010 10:49:20] <rmatte> mistich: good good
[15-Dec-2010 10:49:22] <Sam-I-Am> if i remodel it comes back
[15-Dec-2010 10:49:27] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: odd, I've never had that happen to me
[15-Dec-2010 10:49:48] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: has it happened more than once?
[15-Dec-2010 10:49:50] <Sam-I-Am> but changing anything about the device (e.g., comment/link) makes it go away again
[15-Dec-2010 10:49:53] <Sam-I-Am> sure
[15-Dec-2010 10:50:02] <rmatte> hmmm
[15-Dec-2010 10:50:15] <rmatte> I know that going to the edit tab and changing anything messes it up for me
[15-Dec-2010 10:50:19] <rmatte> so I avoid using the edit tab
[15-Dec-2010 10:50:25] <Sam-I-Am> doing it in zope?
[15-Dec-2010 10:50:35] <Sam-I-Am> i think the edit tab is the issue
[15-Dec-2010 10:50:36] <rmatte> doing it in zope shouldn't
[15-Dec-2010 10:50:55] <Sam-I-Am> weird..
[15-Dec-2010 10:50:56] <rmatte> but no, for changing device state for instance, I do it from the device list
[15-Dec-2010 10:50:59] <rmatte> same for group, and such
[15-Dec-2010 10:51:11] <rmatte> the only one I need to use ZMI for is the serial number
[15-Dec-2010 10:51:29] <Sam-I-Am> i seem to have snmp grabbing serial numbers for most of the stuff so far
[15-Dec-2010 10:51:55] <rmatte> yeh, there's a Cisco plugin that does that for Cisco devices
[15-Dec-2010 10:52:07] <rmatte> though for stacked devices it'll only grab the serial of the primary device
[15-Dec-2010 10:52:15] <rmatte> enterprise has some tab for stacked devices though I noticed
[15-Dec-2010 10:52:22] <Sam-I-Am> how do you change a devices group/location without the edit tab or zmi?
[15-Dec-2010 10:52:33] <rmatte> from the device list
[15-Dec-2010 10:52:35] <Sam-I-Am> i dont have any stacked stuff... yet.
[15-Dec-2010 10:52:46] <rmatte> go to the device list
[15-Dec-2010 10:52:51] <rmatte> put a checkmark next to the device
[15-Dec-2010 10:53:13] <rmatte> Then do "Set Location" "Set Production State" "Set Groups"
[15-Dec-2010 10:53:17] <rmatte> or whatever from the menu
[15-Dec-2010 10:53:24] <rmatte> that's what I do to get around the edit tab problem
[15-Dec-2010 10:53:27] <Sam-I-Am> ahhh yeah, that way
[15-Dec-2010 10:53:31] * rmatte nods
[15-Dec-2010 10:54:54] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, that seems to leave the data intact
[15-Dec-2010 10:55:01] <rmatte> yup
[15-Dec-2010 10:55:02] <Sam-I-Am> funky buggeroo
[15-Dec-2010 10:55:05] <rmatte> hehe
[15-Dec-2010 10:55:16] <rmatte> yeh, but even with that bug I'm still not inclined to upgrade 
[15-Dec-2010 10:55:22] <rmatte> since it's a very minor bug
[15-Dec-2010 10:55:30] <Sam-I-Am> i seldom change things like this... just the initial populating bit
[15-Dec-2010 11:01:13] <joko2> Interesting
[15-Dec-2010 11:01:35] <joko2> O: 2.2TB
[15-Dec-2010 11:02:04] <joko2> rmatte: i didn't realize the significance of /CIM/WMI ... so i plopt a server in their and didn't use SNMP
[15-Dec-2010 11:02:12] <joko2> I got a bunch of extra drives
[15-Dec-2010 11:02:19] <rmatte> yeh, it does full WMI monitoring
[15-Dec-2010 11:02:24] <rmatte> it's a complete alternative to SNMP
[15-Dec-2010 11:02:31] <rmatte> you can thank Egor (bigegor) for that 
[15-Dec-2010 11:02:43] <joko2> yeah, he the man
[15-Dec-2010 11:03:36] <joko2> im not getting any reporting on disk utilization after doing that tho
[15-Dec-2010 11:03:43] <joko2> not even on the local C: drive
[15-Dec-2010 11:04:04] <joko2> i haven't checked into that yet tho
[15-Dec-2010 11:04:17] <rmatte> read up on datasource aliases
[15-Dec-2010 11:04:28] <rmatte> you need to add one to make it work with the disk report
[15-Dec-2010 11:04:33] <joko2> nice
[15-Dec-2010 11:04:38] <rmatte> though he may have included his own WMI disk report or something in the pack
[15-Dec-2010 11:04:54] <joko2> interesting, i'll dig around
[15-Dec-2010 11:05:23] <rmatte> hmmm, doesn't look like he did
[15-Dec-2010 11:06:24] <rmatte> The alias for the existing FileSystem template is: Aliases
[15-Dec-2010 11:06:25] <rmatte> usedFilesystemSpace__bytes | ${here/blockSize},*
[15-Dec-2010 11:06:55] <joko2> Win32_LogicalDisk.DeviceID="${here/id}:"
[15-Dec-2010 11:07:00] <joko2> er
[15-Dec-2010 11:07:24] <rmatte> that's the source, not the alias
[15-Dec-2010 11:07:35] <rmatte> hmmm
[15-Dec-2010 11:07:42] <rmatte> doesn't look like WMI datasource support aliases
[15-Dec-2010 11:07:48] <rmatte> I'll have to ask Egor about that
[15-Dec-2010 11:07:53] <rmatte> there's probably something he can do
[15-Dec-2010 11:07:57] <joko2> usedFilesystemSpace__bytes | ${here/blockSize},*
[15-Dec-2010 11:08:06] <joko2> i see that now
[15-Dec-2010 11:08:07] <rmatte> though the datasource is called usedBlocks
[15-Dec-2010 11:08:11] <rmatte> so the report should be picking it up
[15-Dec-2010 11:08:37] <rmatte> actually...
[15-Dec-2010 11:08:50] <rmatte> if you just switched to WMI monitoring, obviously you won't have any data in the report
[15-Dec-2010 11:08:53] <rmatte> it needs time to collect it
[15-Dec-2010 11:09:02] <joko2> well, i switched yesterday before i left work
[15-Dec-2010 11:09:12] <rmatte> that's still not enough data for a 7 day report
[15-Dec-2010 11:09:18] <rmatte> which is the default for reports
[15-Dec-2010 11:09:41] <joko2> P: 1.7TB unknown unknown unknown
[15-Dec-2010 11:09:46] <rmatte> I'll test the filesystem report against a device that I've been collecting via WMI for a while
[15-Dec-2010 11:10:01] <rmatte> that means it hasn't collected any info about the filesystem other than it's size
[15-Dec-2010 11:10:05] <joko2> yea
[15-Dec-2010 11:10:08] <rmatte> you sure your WMI settings are correct?
[15-Dec-2010 11:10:15] <rmatte> (on the device)
[15-Dec-2010 11:10:29] <rmatte> what level of access does the account that you're using have?
[15-Dec-2010 11:10:30] <joko2> that im not, im just testing this out now
[15-Dec-2010 11:10:36] <joko2> it's a domain admin
[15-Dec-2010 11:10:38] <rmatte> k
[15-Dec-2010 11:11:09] <rmatte> yeh, the filesystem report works fine for me against a WMI device
[15-Dec-2010 11:11:21] <joko2> i've used zenoss for the past 5 months, but now it's ramping up more in production and im taking it over more fulltime, so trying to add more value to it
[15-Dec-2010 11:11:32] * rmatte nods
[15-Dec-2010 11:12:02] <rmatte> I've been using it for over 2 years 
[15-Dec-2010 11:12:17] <rmatte> It's come a long way since then
[15-Dec-2010 11:12:31] <rmatte> especially the core zenpacks
[15-Dec-2010 11:12:32] <joko2> nice, yeah i wanna get deeper into it now
[15-Dec-2010 11:12:40] <rmatte> there was no proper WMI pack when I started out with it
[15-Dec-2010 11:12:46] <joko2> :\
[15-Dec-2010 11:13:18] <joko2> well, time to help my lotus notes admin use linux.......... ..... .   :O
[15-Dec-2010 11:13:44] <rmatte> lol
[15-Dec-2010 11:14:03] <rmatte> It's not rocket science if he has a GUI
[15-Dec-2010 11:15:10] <joko2> agreed.... but when you can't even remember regular commands like 'ls'
[15-Dec-2010 11:15:35] <joko2> and the / directory is 100% full
[15-Dec-2010 11:15:39] <joko2> 
[15-Dec-2010 11:15:45] <tehhobbit> How do I ignore _everything_ from a certain windows component ?
[15-Dec-2010 11:16:52] <rmatte> tehhobbit: which component?
[15-Dec-2010 11:17:12] <tehhobbit> Health Service module
[15-Dec-2010 11:17:25] <rmatte> you want to ignore any events with that as the component?
[15-Dec-2010 11:17:51] <tehhobbit> Health Service Modules_10830 <- as example
[15-Dec-2010 11:17:56] <tehhobbit> yes
[15-Dec-2010 11:18:08] <rmatte> so evt.component == "Health Service Modules_10830"?
[15-Dec-2010 11:18:28] <rmatte> you would do the following...
[15-Dec-2010 11:18:37] <rmatte> add a transform at the events level
[15-Dec-2010 11:18:42] <rmatte> (do you know how to do that?)
[15-Dec-2010 11:18:48] <tehhobbit> problem is uit has littary thousand of different evt.classes
[15-Dec-2010 11:18:56] <rmatte> that's fine
[15-Dec-2010 11:18:59] <rmatte> doesn't matter
[15-Dec-2010 11:19:04] <tehhobbit> and I dont want to hear anything from it so Health Service Modules_*
[15-Dec-2010 11:19:14] <rmatte> ok...
[15-Dec-2010 11:19:30] <rmatte> do you know how to add a transform at the /Events level?
[15-Dec-2010 11:19:34] <rmatte> if not I'll show you
[15-Dec-2010 11:19:50] <tehhobbit> now I have been adding one of the other to /Ignonre/Win but starting to realise that there are just to many of them
[15-Dec-2010 11:20:01] <rmatte> yeh, remove any mappings you've done
[15-Dec-2010 11:20:12] <rmatte> and answer my question please
[15-Dec-2010 11:20:20] <rmatte> do you know how to add a transform at the /Events level?
[15-Dec-2010 11:20:22] <tehhobbit> I wouldnt mind a hint
[15-Dec-2010 11:20:28] <rmatte> are you using 2.5 or 3.0?
[15-Dec-2010 11:20:32] <tehhobbit> 3.0
[15-Dec-2010 11:20:35] <rmatte> k, one sec
[15-Dec-2010 11:20:47] <rmatte> click on Events at the top
[15-Dec-2010 11:20:54] <rmatte> then click on Event Classes
[15-Dec-2010 11:21:25] <rmatte> then in the bottom left hand menu (the one with the gear) click Transform
[15-Dec-2010 11:21:42] <rmatte> since we're in the /Events class when clicking it, the transform will apply to the whole class
[15-Dec-2010 11:21:49] <rmatte> now, the transform should be as follows...
[15-Dec-2010 11:22:55] <rmatte> if evt.component.startswith('Health Service Modules_')
[15-Dec-2010 11:22:56] <rmatte>  evt._action = 'drop'
[15-Dec-2010 11:23:09] <tehhobbit> tnx 
[15-Dec-2010 11:23:10] <rmatte> note the space before the second line
[15-Dec-2010 11:23:12] <rmatte> that's required
[15-Dec-2010 11:23:23] <rmatte> first line should have no space before it, second line should have 1 space
[15-Dec-2010 11:23:25] <tehhobbit> yeah I know that much pyhton
[15-Dec-2010 11:23:27] <tehhobbit> 
[15-Dec-2010 11:23:29] <rmatte> paste that in there and save, problem solved
[15-Dec-2010 11:23:32] <rmatte> k cool
[15-Dec-2010 11:25:11] <tehhobbit> just one more question in that generally usable for other parts orf event (for example eventClassKey)
[15-Dec-2010 11:25:33] <tehhobbit> or is it just some of the fields that can be checked that way ?
[15-Dec-2010 11:25:46] <rmatte> it's usable for anything, heck, you can block all events from a specific device using evt.device if you want to
[15-Dec-2010 11:25:51] <rmatte> evt.whatever
[15-Dec-2010 11:25:55] <tehhobbit> tnx
[15-Dec-2010 11:26:00] <rmatte> np
[15-Dec-2010 11:26:04] <tehhobbit> that is gonna prove really usefull
[15-Dec-2010 11:26:19] <rmatte> transforms are godly
[15-Dec-2010 11:26:37] <rmatte> afk for a sec
[15-Dec-2010 11:30:27] <rmatte> but yeh, the thing to understand is that a transform is a python script with certain things pre-imported
[15-Dec-2010 11:30:36] <rmatte> so you can access event values via the evt object
[15-Dec-2010 11:30:49] <rmatte> but since it's a python script the sky is the limit
[15-Dec-2010 11:31:07] <rmatte> you can have it do stuff like change the IP of a device in Zenoss if a specific event comes in.
[15-Dec-2010 11:31:20] <rmatte> or any attribute of a device really
[15-Dec-2010 11:31:33] <rmatte> same goes for any other object
[15-Dec-2010 11:31:48] <rmatte> you can actually modify events with them as well
[15-Dec-2010 11:31:58] <rmatte> if you want a specific event to have a different summary you'd do something like...
[15-Dec-2010 11:32:05] <rmatte> evt.summary = "My new summary!"
[15-Dec-2010 11:32:13] <csabo> hes lying.
[15-Dec-2010 11:32:16] <csabo> dont believe a word he says
[15-Dec-2010 11:32:19] <rmatte> you can also fill in the summary based on other variables
[15-Dec-2010 11:32:27] <rmatte> if I had a variable called message for instance...
[15-Dec-2010 11:32:43] <rmatte> evt.summary = "Message: %s" % (message)
[15-Dec-2010 11:32:49] <rmatte> csabo: 
[15-Dec-2010 11:33:19] <tehhobbit> just one more question, any searchable online version of api docs ?
[15-Dec-2010 11:34:36] <rmatte> tehhobbit: not that I've seen, the developer's guide would be as close as it comes
[15-Dec-2010 11:35:38] <tehhobbit> ok
[15-Dec-2010 11:41:22] <tehhobbit> Event: 'An alert couldn't be inserted to the database. This could have happened because
[15-Dec-2010 11:41:25] <tehhobbit> of one of the following reasons:
[15-Dec-2010 11:41:41] <tehhobbit> could that be because I added the transform befor deleting all the mapping
[15-Dec-2010 11:45:22] <rmatte> no
[15-Dec-2010 11:45:42] <rmatte> well, delete the mappings anyways to be sure
[15-Dec-2010 11:46:05] <rmatte> though the transforms should kick off in order, and the /Events transform should go first
[15-Dec-2010 11:51:10] <tehhobbit>  hmms getting wiered error with the good I got
[15-Dec-2010 11:51:21] <tehhobbit> and transform text is red 
[15-Dec-2010 11:53:35] <rmatte> that means something is wrong with the transform
[15-Dec-2010 11:53:39] <rmatte> you sure you put it in right?
[15-Dec-2010 11:53:45] <rmatte> fpaste.org what you have in there
[15-Dec-2010 11:54:10] <csabo> man i love my job
[15-Dec-2010 11:54:13] <csabo> my company is so badass
[15-Dec-2010 11:54:28] <csabo> when theres an outage (rare.) the CIO himself send the email to the whole company
[15-Dec-2010 11:54:34] <rmatte> lol
[15-Dec-2010 11:54:40] <csabo> he takes the questions,bitching and heat
[15-Dec-2010 11:54:46] <csabo> literally, our phones havent rang yet
[15-Dec-2010 11:54:51] <rmatte> cool
[15-Dec-2010 11:54:55] <csabo> large outage for id say an hour
[15-Dec-2010 11:55:03] <csabo> yup
[15-Dec-2010 11:55:13] <csabo> last job the CIO and my directors job was to throw someone else under the bus
[15-Dec-2010 11:55:17] <csabo> and never get a phone call
[15-Dec-2010 11:55:42] <csabo> hed call i'd be like "rmatte did it"
[15-Dec-2010 11:55:47] <rmatte> lol
[15-Dec-2010 11:55:59] <csabo> hed be all like "IM OFF TO CANADIA!"
[15-Dec-2010 11:56:05] <csabo> "BRB MOOSE"
[15-Dec-2010 11:56:18] <csabo> ..sorry lot of sugar, bought cookies yesterday, all gone today
[15-Dec-2010 11:56:30] <csabo> Finishing the last one now
[15-Dec-2010 11:56:30] <rmatte> 
[15-Dec-2010 11:56:44] * csabo sticks cookie on monitor and tries /dcc send cookie rmatte
[15-Dec-2010 11:56:46] <tehhobbit> rmatte: http://pastie.org/1379925
[15-Dec-2010 11:59:48] <rmatte> hmmmm, so that first transform was there already?
[15-Dec-2010 12:00:09] <rmatte> and was working properly?
[15-Dec-2010 12:00:45] <tehhobbit> yes
[15-Dec-2010 12:00:53] <tehhobbit> used it since 2.5
[15-Dec-2010 12:01:19] <rmatte> hmmm
[15-Dec-2010 12:01:44] <rmatte> try putting my transform above that one
[15-Dec-2010 12:02:04] <csabo> autobots!
[15-Dec-2010 12:02:19] <csabo> rmatte did you name one of your transforms optimus?
[15-Dec-2010 12:02:32] <rmatte> csabo: decaf!
[15-Dec-2010 12:02:39] <rmatte> lol
[15-Dec-2010 12:02:49] <csabo>  sorry, i am new here so i odnt have any real work aside from small scripts
[15-Dec-2010 12:02:52] <tehhobbit> still red 
[15-Dec-2010 12:02:59] <csabo> so i spend 10 hours a day in a room by myself, no people no windows
[15-Dec-2010 12:03:04] <rmatte> must be nice
[15-Dec-2010 12:03:07] <csabo> i get..edgy,, esp with cookies
[15-Dec-2010 12:03:19] <csabo> i can respect the fact that i've never had this before in a job, but it doesnt mean its great
[15-Dec-2010 12:03:26] <rmatte> tehhobbit: try putting a line between the if statements
[15-Dec-2010 12:03:29] <tehhobbit> is okay you can kill me now
[15-Dec-2010 12:03:36] <tehhobbit> missed :
[15-Dec-2010 12:03:36] <csabo> no way
[15-Dec-2010 12:03:41] <rmatte> I know my transform is perfect
[15-Dec-2010 12:03:46] <csabo> rmatte is perfect
[15-Dec-2010 12:03:48] <rmatte> so not sure why it's crying
[15-Dec-2010 12:04:01] <tehhobbit> rmatte: I missed the : at the end of the if statement
[15-Dec-2010 12:04:06] <rmatte> oh
[15-Dec-2010 12:04:15] <rmatte> ah, so you did
[15-Dec-2010 12:04:29] <rmatte> that's actually my favult
[15-Dec-2010 12:04:32] <rmatte> fault*
[15-Dec-2010 12:04:46] <rmatte> I forgot it when I typed it in to the channel
[15-Dec-2010 12:04:49] <rmatte> my bad
[15-Dec-2010 12:13:09] <tehhobbit> ops now something else went south, zenhub just ate 100% of my cpu and after restart it does the same as soon as you login
[15-Dec-2010 12:16:19] <ericenns> tehhobbit: you cant use a 386
[15-Dec-2010 12:16:22] <ericenns> lol
[15-Dec-2010 12:19:19] <tehhobbit> hehe
[15-Dec-2010 12:20:07] <tehhobbit> na found that error too, fastest way to list att atributes for an event (the naming scheme from looking at the web doesnt seem to fit)
[15-Dec-2010 12:23:56] <tehhobbit> eventClassKey is what attribute ?
[15-Dec-2010 12:29:04] <rmatte> it's the class key for the event
[15-Dec-2010 12:29:10] <rmatte> it's what's used to associate it with an event mapping
[15-Dec-2010 12:29:19] <rmatte> it can be different things
[15-Dec-2010 12:29:29] <rmatte> for syslogs it's the first bit of the syslog (the identifier)
[15-Dec-2010 12:29:45] <rmatte> for traps it's the name of the trap
[15-Dec-2010 12:29:53] <rmatte> some events don't have an eventClassKey
[15-Dec-2010 12:30:23] <rmatte> but there are tricks to create mappings for those
[15-Dec-2010 12:31:32] <rmatte> ericenns: you around?
[15-Dec-2010 12:31:33] <ericenns> rmatte: so I almost have my backend scripts done for LUNs, Host Bus Adapters, Interfaces, Host Volumes, Host Volume Partitions and Processors
[15-Dec-2010 12:31:41] <rmatte> lol, good timing
[15-Dec-2010 12:31:48] <rmatte> nice
[15-Dec-2010 12:31:52] <ericenns> haha yup
[15-Dec-2010 12:31:54] <rmatte> I coworker of mine had a good question
[15-Dec-2010 12:31:55] <rmatte> ...
[15-Dec-2010 12:32:01] <rmatte> A coworker*
[15-Dec-2010 12:32:05] <ericenns> ok
[15-Dec-2010 12:32:28] <rmatte> what happens if you're monitoring an ESX environment that is setup to auto-migrate hosts between ESX servers to load balance?
[15-Dec-2010 12:32:56] <rmatte> Is there any way to have it re-discover the guest list and perhaps even migrate RRD files between devices for guests?
[15-Dec-2010 12:33:09] <Simon4> enterprise has a esx modelling daemon that does that kind of thing
[15-Dec-2010 12:33:33] <rmatte> Simon4: but does that depend on the zenmodeler interval?
[15-Dec-2010 12:33:39] <ericenns> rmatte: the guest list is populated every model time, not sure about migrating the rrd files though
[15-Dec-2010 12:33:47] <Simon4> rmatte: no, it's it's own daemon that runs jsut to track vm's
[15-Dec-2010 12:33:51] <rmatte> ah
[15-Dec-2010 12:33:58] <rmatte> yeh, that sounds like what needs to be done
[15-Dec-2010 12:34:15] <rmatte> (eventually)
[15-Dec-2010 12:34:34] <rmatte> but that's awesome that you almost have the stuff done for all of that
[15-Dec-2010 12:34:42] <rmatte> can't wait to see the end result
[15-Dec-2010 12:35:08] <ericenns> stuff I'm working on right now is really just informational
[15-Dec-2010 12:35:30] <rmatte> so no performance data you mean?
[15-Dec-2010 12:35:30] <ericenns> thought the interfaces part will get a graph
[15-Dec-2010 12:35:36] <rmatte> ah
[15-Dec-2010 12:35:53] <rmatte> would be nice if LUNs got graphs too
[15-Dec-2010 12:36:27] <ericenns> yeah as I have said before I'm working of what I see in enterprise, where there LUNs have no graphs, so right now I'm assumming if they can't then I probably can't
[15-Dec-2010 12:37:06] <ericenns> The interface graph is really the only graph I am missing right now
[15-Dec-2010 12:37:42] <ericenns> rmatte: do you use NETAPP with your ESX environment
[15-Dec-2010 12:37:57] <rmatte> ericenns: no, we have HP SANs
[15-Dec-2010 12:38:15] <rmatte> ericenns: cool
[15-Dec-2010 12:38:21] <ericenns> ok and your using iSCSI for that
[15-Dec-2010 12:38:28] <rmatte> fiber
[15-Dec-2010 12:38:37] <rmatte> via a brocade fiber channel switch
[15-Dec-2010 12:39:05] <ericenns> oh ok interesting would it be possible for you to run a perl script for me
[15-Dec-2010 12:39:11] <rmatte> sure
[15-Dec-2010 12:46:03] <joko2> hmm
[15-Dec-2010 12:46:27] <joko2> which value in the collector would I look at to determine how often i'm probing CPU ?
[15-Dec-2010 12:46:35] <joko2> i believe its using WMI for that
[15-Dec-2010 12:53:02] <rmatte> joko2: there's no specific value just for CPU
[15-Dec-2010 12:53:06] <rmatte> it's a global value
[15-Dec-2010 12:53:10] <rmatte> and it defaults at 5 minutes
[15-Dec-2010 12:53:14] <rmatte> which is what I leave it at
[15-Dec-2010 13:02:08] <joko2> ah
[15-Dec-2010 13:02:12] <joko2> good good
[15-Dec-2010 13:07:17] <joko2> so if i use a count of 3 for an alert, thats essential 15 minutes
[15-Dec-2010 13:07:24] <joko2> for WMI
[15-Dec-2010 13:19:40] <rmatte> yes
[15-Dec-2010 13:24:48] <joko2> for crap sake
[15-Dec-2010 13:25:30] <joko2> all i want for xmas is an organized zenoss and organized zenoss
[15-Dec-2010 13:25:35] <joko2> in production...
[15-Dec-2010 13:26:27] <Sam-I-Am> this one is special...
[15-Dec-2010 13:26:27] <Sam-I-Am> DS1-MIB::dsx1IntervalIndex.104.1 = INTEGER: 104
[15-Dec-2010 13:26:27] <Sam-I-Am> Error: OID not increasing: DS1-MIB::dsx1IntervalIndex.104.1 >= DS1-MIB::dsx1IntervalIndex.104.1
[15-Dec-2010 13:26:32] <Sam-I-Am> thanks cisco.
[15-Dec-2010 13:44:20] <rmatte> lol
[15-Dec-2010 13:45:10] <rmatte> that's when running zenmib?
[15-Dec-2010 13:45:11] <rmatte> or what?
[15-Dec-2010 13:45:39] <rmatte> or when snmpwalking?
[15-Dec-2010 13:47:28] <Sam-I-Am> snmpalking
[15-Dec-2010 13:47:48] <rmatte> ah
[15-Dec-2010 13:55:28] <bigegor> CiscoEnvMon ZenPack in public: docs/DOC-10256
[15-Dec-2010 13:56:18] <rmatte> bigegor: nice, I'll definitely be taking a look at that
[15-Dec-2010 13:56:27] <Simon4> bigegor: nice 
[15-Dec-2010 13:56:30] <rmatte> bigegor: 2.5 support?
[15-Dec-2010 13:56:33] <rmatte> or only 3.0?
[15-Dec-2010 13:56:34] <bigegor> yes
[15-Dec-2010 13:56:41] <rmatte> k cool, thankya 
[15-Dec-2010 13:56:44] <bigegor> both 2.5 and 3.0
[15-Dec-2010 13:57:06] <rmatte> going to install it on my lab box now and test it out
[15-Dec-2010 13:57:33] <bigegor> no external dependencies deviceAdvDetail is optional
[15-Dec-2010 13:57:49] <rmatte> cool
[15-Dec-2010 13:58:18] <joko2> HMMM
[15-Dec-2010 13:58:56] <bigegor> have tested with IOS based switches and routers (C6500, C4X00)
[15-Dec-2010 13:58:56] <rmatte> bigegor: It would be cool if you could make something that shows stacked device info like they have in enterprise on a "Stacked Devices" tab or something for Cisco devices as well
[15-Dec-2010 13:59:02] <rmatte> perhaps extend that ZenPack to provide that
[15-Dec-2010 13:59:11] <rmatte> just with name/serial number of each
[15-Dec-2010 13:59:29] <rmatte> (no performance data)
[15-Dec-2010 14:00:06] <rmatte> I just add dummy devices in to represent stacked devices at the moment which works fine as well
[15-Dec-2010 14:00:41] <bigegor> only temperature
[15-Dec-2010 14:00:56] * Simon4 also labs up said zenpack
[15-Dec-2010 14:01:22] <rmatte> oh, you have an expansion card mapping too
[15-Dec-2010 14:01:23] <rmatte> cool
[15-Dec-2010 14:01:47] <bigegor> check reports 
[15-Dec-2010 14:01:51] <Simon4> bigegor: I'll report back shortly with results on 3560/4900/3120x/others
[15-Dec-2010 14:01:55] <rmatte> yeh, modules
[15-Dec-2010 14:01:59] <rmatte> very neat
[15-Dec-2010 14:02:40] <joko2> so, im monitoring a linux box with SNMP just now. All the info shows up, sans file system used/free/util% .... I assume that is just going to take a while to populate?
[15-Dec-2010 14:02:58] <rmatte> hmmmm, it doesn't seem to have adjusted my Network/Router/Cisco class
[15-Dec-2010 14:03:28] * rmatte scratches his head
[15-Dec-2010 14:03:52] <rmatte> I should have new tabs should I not?
[15-Dec-2010 14:04:14] <rmatte> I see that the collector plugins got added
[15-Dec-2010 14:04:33] <rmatte> I just don't see any of the new stuff
[15-Dec-2010 14:04:35] <joko2> woohoo
[15-Dec-2010 14:06:08] <rmatte> it's like the skin didn't get installed
[15-Dec-2010 14:07:08] <rmatte> bigegor: I should be seeing additional tabs for devices in /Network/Router/Cisco, yes?
[15-Dec-2010 14:07:19] <bigegor> no
[15-Dec-2010 14:07:37] <rmatte> oh
[15-Dec-2010 14:07:45] <rmatte> so it doesn't provide any performance stats?
[15-Dec-2010 14:08:01] <bigegor> only for temperature sensors
[15-Dec-2010 14:08:08] <rmatte> where do I see those?
[15-Dec-2010 14:08:28] <rmatte> oh, maybe the template isn't bound
[15-Dec-2010 14:08:37] <Simon4> OS tab maybe?
[15-Dec-2010 14:08:40] <Simon4> or HW
[15-Dec-2010 14:08:44] <rmatte> ah, it's local, so it must be
[15-Dec-2010 14:08:53] <rmatte> I tried HW and OS
[15-Dec-2010 14:09:00] <bigegor> on Hardware tab
[15-Dec-2010 14:09:09] <rmatte> oh, maybe I need to remodel
[15-Dec-2010 14:09:13] <rmatte> stupid me
[15-Dec-2010 14:09:15] <rmatte> lol
[15-Dec-2010 14:09:46] <rmatte> I see them now
[15-Dec-2010 14:09:48] <rmatte> awesome
[15-Dec-2010 14:10:10] <rmatte> does it only work for routers?
[15-Dec-2010 14:10:14] <rmatte> or will it work for switches too?
[15-Dec-2010 14:10:48] <rmatte> hmmm, I have a switch on my lab, I'll test
[15-Dec-2010 14:11:34] <bigegor> switches too (IOS based)
[15-Dec-2010 14:11:39] <rmatte> cool
[15-Dec-2010 14:12:43] * Simon4 is just modelling a 3560E once the lab zenoss install wakes up
[15-Dec-2010 14:13:05] <rmatte> bigegor: I've been meaning to ask you something...
[15-Dec-2010 14:13:20] <rmatte> I've seen this in the MSSQL WMI template pack, and now in this ZenPack...
[15-Dec-2010 14:13:31] <rmatte> the templates install fine, but if I try to copy them I get: BadRequest: The property zendoc does not exist
[15-Dec-2010 14:13:38] <rmatte> any idea how to get around that?
[15-Dec-2010 14:14:21] <bigegor> which zenoss version?
[15-Dec-2010 14:14:30] <rmatte> 2.5
[15-Dec-2010 14:14:30] <csabo> IBM training docs are funny
[15-Dec-2010 14:14:45] <csabo> they write about everything like its incredible, and that they invented it
[15-Dec-2010 14:15:00] <rmatte> pink shirt book!
[15-Dec-2010 14:15:14] <csabo> i'm reading an AIX book right now, its discussing paging.. they make it out to be some super proprietary thing.. then its like to activate use 'swapon'
[15-Dec-2010 14:15:15] <csabo> i luled
[15-Dec-2010 14:15:44] <rmatte> lol
[15-Dec-2010 14:15:50] <rmatte> swapoff -a && swapon -a
[15-Dec-2010 14:16:09] <csabo> they write about everything like that
[15-Dec-2010 14:16:12] <csabo> disk mirroring.. good god
[15-Dec-2010 14:16:30] <csabo> and apparently IBM created the only LVM in the world
[15-Dec-2010 14:18:32] <bigegor> rmatte: templates was created with zenoss 3 (maybe backward compatibility problem ???)
[15-Dec-2010 14:18:45] <Simon4> csabo: well they did invent it 
[15-Dec-2010 14:18:57] <rmatte> bigegor: looks like, it's a huge pain since once the templates are there I can't do anything with them
[15-Dec-2010 14:19:38] <Simon4> bigegor: works well on this 3560E 
[15-Dec-2010 14:19:51] <bigegor> cool
[15-Dec-2010 14:20:12] <Simon4> just waiting to let some temp sensor data appear, and will model a few more devs
[15-Dec-2010 14:20:19] <rmatte> eugh, I neeeeeed to get these copied to my switch class
[15-Dec-2010 14:20:21] <rmatte> hmmmm
[15-Dec-2010 14:20:25] <rmatte> zendoc...
[15-Dec-2010 14:21:32] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/Jfra/raw/
[15-Dec-2010 14:21:54] <rmatte> I wonder how I can delete that property
[15-Dec-2010 14:22:11] <rmatte> or the requirement for that property rather
[15-Dec-2010 14:22:17] <bigegor> rmatte: try to remove this property from original template with ZMI
[15-Dec-2010 14:22:24] <rmatte> k
[15-Dec-2010 14:23:02] <rmatte> I can't even view properties for the template, get a different error
[15-Dec-2010 14:23:19] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/RzfC/raw/
[15-Dec-2010 14:25:06] <rmatte> bleh, this sucks
[15-Dec-2010 14:25:08] <rmatte> hmm
[15-Dec-2010 14:25:17] <bigegor> i hate devtypes 
[15-Dec-2010 14:25:43] <Simon4> CiscoFan copied okay using ZMI
[15-Dec-2010 14:25:46] <rmatte> well, that's another ZenPack that I can't use to it's full advantage until I upgrade
[15-Dec-2010 14:26:05] <rmatte> Simon4: really? what about the others?
[15-Dec-2010 14:26:12] <Simon4> failing so far
[15-Dec-2010 14:26:18] * rmatte nods
[15-Dec-2010 14:26:54] <rmatte> oh wait
[15-Dec-2010 14:26:59] <Simon4> http://fpaste.org/ZoKj/
[15-Dec-2010 14:27:02] <rmatte> nevermind, I finally got in to the properties via ZMI
[15-Dec-2010 14:27:08] <rmatte> so I think I can delete zendoc
[15-Dec-2010 14:27:11] <Simon4> could just edit it out of the objects.xml and rebuild
[15-Dec-2010 14:27:21] <rmatte> zendoc is set to: "Cisco Environment Fans status template"
[15-Dec-2010 14:27:27] <rmatte> I'm going to remove it
[15-Dec-2010 14:27:31] <Simon4> yeah
[15-Dec-2010 14:27:34] * Simon4 doing same
[15-Dec-2010 14:28:05] <Simon4> wheee
[15-Dec-2010 14:28:06] <Simon4> moved
[15-Dec-2010 14:28:13] <rmatte> zendoc looks like some replacement for description or something
[15-Dec-2010 14:28:40] <rmatte> glad to know that workaround now, since I can get the MSSQL ZenPack installed and get the template copied to /CIM/WMI as well
[15-Dec-2010 14:29:03] <rmatte> copied, woot
[15-Dec-2010 14:29:16] <Simon4> huzzah, now with remodel templates applied
[15-Dec-2010 14:29:23] <rmatte> god I love ZMI sometimes
[15-Dec-2010 14:29:25] <rmatte> lol
[15-Dec-2010 14:29:55] <Simon4> right, 3750 time
[15-Dec-2010 14:31:02] <rmatte> model doesn't matter, IOS is IOS 
[15-Dec-2010 14:31:27] <rmatte> hmmmm, it didn't pick up anything for my switch
[15-Dec-2010 14:31:27] <Simon4> rmatte: so before this the guy before me had a different "temp" template per model
[15-Dec-2010 14:31:36] <Simon4> as the OID apparently changed with some models
[15-Dec-2010 14:31:36] * rmatte scratches his head
[15-Dec-2010 14:31:41] <rmatte> it should have found something
[15-Dec-2010 14:31:46] <Simon4> the templates are certainly different
[15-Dec-2010 14:31:49] * rmatte tries again
[15-Dec-2010 14:32:06] <Simon4> bigegor's pack however is totally winning
[15-Dec-2010 14:32:06] <rmatte> oh, it's not even trying to model with the other plugins
[15-Dec-2010 14:32:18] <Simon4> found all six sensors in our 4900M 
[15-Dec-2010 14:32:32] <rmatte> hmmm, I have the plugins defined for the class, but no go when modeling
[15-Dec-2010 14:32:35] <rmatte> strange
[15-Dec-2010 14:33:23] * Simon4 realises that having zenperfsnmp started could probably help with graphing
[15-Dec-2010 14:33:33] <Simon4> time for a beer, I think 
[15-Dec-2010 14:35:46] <Simon4> ah, worked out why $coworker made all these templates, it was purely to allow for the changing snmpindex
[15-Dec-2010 14:35:48] <Simon4> that makes more sens
[15-Dec-2010 14:35:49] <Simon4> +e
[15-Dec-2010 14:36:07] <Simon4> can get rid of those now, hurrah
[15-Dec-2010 14:36:49] <rmatte> hmmm, the pack shouldn't be alerting on status "notPresent" for power supplies
[15-Dec-2010 14:37:00] <rmatte> If it's not in the device then I don't care about it
[15-Dec-2010 14:37:12] <rmatte> 
[15-Dec-2010 14:37:16] <rmatte> I'll just adjust the threshold
[15-Dec-2010 14:37:53] <rmatte> hmmm, so for whatever reason it's not running any of those plugins for the /Network/Switch/Cisco class
[15-Dec-2010 14:38:02] <rmatte> Simon4: did they run for you in an alternate class?
[15-Dec-2010 14:38:20] <Simon4> rmatte: yeah, I just added them to /Network/Switch and copied the templates to /Network/Switch
[15-Dec-2010 14:38:32] <rmatte> well, I have /Network/Switch/Cisco
[15-Dec-2010 14:38:37] <rmatte> so I copied them there
[15-Dec-2010 14:38:51] <rmatte> but when I model I don't see it trying the plugins
[15-Dec-2010 14:38:56] <Simon4> you're not overriding the collector plugins further down the tree?
[15-Dec-2010 14:39:03] <rmatte> maybe I have local plugin settings on the device itself
[15-Dec-2010 14:39:05] <rmatte> I'll check
[15-Dec-2010 14:39:33] <rmatte> figures, that's what it was
[15-Dec-2010 14:39:45] <rmatte> I didn't think I'd set anything local on that device
[15-Dec-2010 14:39:52] <rmatte> there we go
[15-Dec-2010 14:39:56] <rmatte> woot
[15-Dec-2010 14:40:32] <rmatte> lol, it never picks up the Watts, Voltage (for Power Supplies), or Type (for fans)
[15-Dec-2010 14:40:33] * Simon4 wishes the devs wouldn't enable collection for _every_ device on the lab install of zenoss
[15-Dec-2010 14:40:37] <rmatte> always shows Unknown
[15-Dec-2010 14:40:45] <rmatte> you seeing the same?
[15-Dec-2010 14:40:58] <Simon4> one box trying to collect the same number of devices as our 4 box master/collector setup makes for slow
[15-Dec-2010 14:41:00] <Simon4> just checking
[15-Dec-2010 14:41:12] <Simon4> yeah, unknown here
[15-Dec-2010 14:41:19] <rmatte> strange
[15-Dec-2010 14:41:28] <Simon4> my collection hasn't run three times though, so I'm unsure if it's a getRRD or a zope property
[15-Dec-2010 14:41:38] <rmatte> true
[15-Dec-2010 14:41:51] <rmatte> mine has though
[15-Dec-2010 14:42:03] <rmatte> and it's still unknown
[15-Dec-2010 14:42:51] <Simon4> shelson@access002:~$ ./testSwitches.sh fe-sw0-z5.oob.telhc.local 1.3.6.1.4.1.9.9.13.1.5.1.3
[15-Dec-2010 14:42:51] <Simon4> CISCO-ENVMON-MIB::ciscoEnvMonSupplyState.1059 = INTEGER: normal(1)
[15-Dec-2010 14:42:53] <Simon4> hmm
[15-Dec-2010 14:43:01] <Simon4> the oid it's trying to collect is there
[15-Dec-2010 14:43:59] * Simon4 waits longer
[15-Dec-2010 14:45:05] <rmatte> bigegor: is it normal for watts, voltage, and type (for fans) not to be populated?
[15-Dec-2010 14:45:14] <rmatte> they all show up as unknown for both of us
[15-Dec-2010 14:47:28] <Simon4> rmatte: the modeller plugin doesn't look to find/populate those values as far as I can see, and the template doesn't refer to them, maybe it's a future placeholder?
[15-Dec-2010 14:47:53] <Simon4> http://pastie.org/1380512
[15-Dec-2010 14:48:00] <Simon4> being the table it parses on modelling
[15-Dec-2010 14:48:21] <rmatte> perhaps
[15-Dec-2010 14:48:31] <rmatte> or maybe the columns were just left there
[15-Dec-2010 14:48:32] <bigegor> rmatte: yes
[15-Dec-2010 14:48:42] <rmatte> bigegor: is that something you're planning to add?
[15-Dec-2010 14:50:02] <Simon4> w00t, graphs now working for PSU
[15-Dec-2010 14:50:30] <bigegor> rmatte: no, check this http://www.oidview.com/mibs/9/CISCO-ENVMON-MIB.html
[15-Dec-2010 14:51:12] <bigegor> for PSU and Fans i can get only status 
[15-Dec-2010 14:51:15] <Simon4> bigegor: where do I send beer? this pack has just closed three tickets in my queue 
[15-Dec-2010 14:51:22] <rmatte> bigegor: why not just remove those columns then?
[15-Dec-2010 14:51:24] <rmatte> or is that not possible?
[15-Dec-2010 14:51:47] <ericenns> bigegor: should this work in another device class for example /Network/Switch/Cisco
[15-Dec-2010 14:52:07] <rmatte> ericenns: it does, you need to copy the templates over
[15-Dec-2010 14:52:10] <Simon4> ericenns: you need to copy the templates out of /Network/Router/Cisco to somewhere higher, I put mine in /Networks
[15-Dec-2010 14:52:13] <rmatte> and assign the collector plugins to the class
[15-Dec-2010 14:52:18] <rmatte> it works fine
[15-Dec-2010 14:52:19] <Simon4> and it's working just fine for switches etc
[15-Dec-2010 14:52:34] <ericenns> ok cool I plan on using for my catalyst 6500
[15-Dec-2010 14:52:43] <Simon4> and now for a bonus bit of fun, an ASR1000 which is IOS-XE
[15-Dec-2010 14:52:50] <rmatte> it's running IOS and not CatOS I assume?
[15-Dec-2010 14:52:50] <fus10nx> Is there a way to track downtown in a chart or something? So I can see consecutive uptime and downtime?
[15-Dec-2010 14:53:00] <ericenns> yes that is correct
[15-Dec-2010 14:53:01] <rmatte> downtown == downtime?
[15-Dec-2010 14:53:11] <fus10nx> yes sorry ha ha
[15-Dec-2010 14:53:14] <rmatte> 
[15-Dec-2010 14:53:27] <Simon4> rmatte: IOS-XE, the new one that's just different enough to be generally irritating and full of wierd bugs
[15-Dec-2010 14:53:30] <rmatte> fus10nx: not out of the box, you'd have to write something...
[15-Dec-2010 14:53:57] <rmatte> fus10nx: downtime isn't stored in RRD, it's calculated based on ping down events in the database
[15-Dec-2010 14:54:24] <rmatte> fus10nx: http://dmon.org/downloads/zenoss/reports/availability.py
[15-Dec-2010 14:54:42] <rmatte> there's a duplication of the availability report that I wrote from scratch to be a standalone script
[15-Dec-2010 14:54:52] <bigegor> rmatte: all is possible, but i think it's not really necessary
[15-Dec-2010 14:54:54] <fus10nx> where do I put this ?
[15-Dec-2010 14:55:26] <rmatte> fus10nx: it won't generate a graph for you, just a report, I'm giving it to you as a guideline
[15-Dec-2010 14:55:36] <rmatte> bigegor: I just find it's cleaner and less confusing
[15-Dec-2010 14:55:38] <fus10nx> even a report would be great
[15-Dec-2010 14:55:50] <rmatte> bigegor: first thing that came to my mind was "Why is it not picking those values up?"
[15-Dec-2010 14:56:10] <rmatte> but it's obviously not necessary
[15-Dec-2010 14:56:43] <rmatte> fus10nx: well, have you not seen the device availability report in the UI?
[15-Dec-2010 14:57:31] <rmatte> the script does exactly the same thing but dumps the output as csv format
[15-Dec-2010 14:57:40] <rmatte> we use it as part of our automated monthly report
[15-Dec-2010 14:57:53] <fus10nx> hmmm well I see an availability percentage
[15-Dec-2010 14:58:02] <fus10nx> but I was hoping to see each time its gone up or down and for how long it has at each time
[15-Dec-2010 14:58:32] <rmatte> yeh, you'd have to write something to do that
[15-Dec-2010 14:58:41] <rmatte> the only way in the UI is to go in to the event history
[15-Dec-2010 14:58:43] <fus10nx> gotcha, OK, I'll have to hire a python dev or something
[15-Dec-2010 14:58:49] <fus10nx> ah, OK
[15-Dec-2010 14:58:50] <rmatte> and filter for /Status/Ping events
[15-Dec-2010 14:59:02] <rmatte> and look at the first time and last time of each event
[15-Dec-2010 14:59:17] <fus10nx> i gotcha
[15-Dec-2010 15:00:21] <fus10nx> so someone could easily write a report based off these events to graph it all out
[15-Dec-2010 15:00:21] <fus10nx> nice
[15-Dec-2010 15:00:22] <fus10nx> thanks
[15-Dec-2010 15:00:53] <Simon4> interesting, on the ASR1002 I got the expansion cards, but no fans, psus or temps
[15-Dec-2010 15:00:59] <Simon4> I'll dig tomorrow to see what mibs they support
[15-Dec-2010 15:02:53] <rmatte> fus10nx: yes, the script I pasted you already has most of the code required
[15-Dec-2010 15:03:23] <fus10nx> ah, OK, so is there a way to see what type of report this will generate? The item you sent me
[15-Dec-2010 15:03:53] <rmatte> you just run it and it literally dumps it like device,ip,property1,property2,etc...
[15-Dec-2010 15:03:56] <rmatte> csv format
[15-Dec-2010 15:04:01] <fus10nx> so I can put it anywhere?
[15-Dec-2010 15:04:07] <fus10nx> or does it need a specific directory
[15-Dec-2010 15:04:12] <rmatte> I have a bunch of those that I wrote, we execute them via ssh to generate monthly reports for our clients
[15-Dec-2010 15:04:21] <rmatte> the data gets dumped in that format then parsed in a separate script
[15-Dec-2010 15:04:28] <rmatte> put it anywhere
[15-Dec-2010 15:04:32] <rmatte> but execute it as the zenoss user
[15-Dec-2010 15:05:01] <fus10nx> su zenoss availability.py or whatever?
[15-Dec-2010 15:05:10] <rmatte> just do sudo su - zenoss
[15-Dec-2010 15:05:12] <rmatte> then execute it
[15-Dec-2010 15:05:46] <fus10nx> ill give it a shot, thanks
[15-Dec-2010 15:09:04] <fus10nx> this can't be right ! ha ha
[15-Dec-2010 15:09:13] <fus10nx> almost all sites having 99.9% uptime
[15-Dec-2010 15:09:33] <fus10nx> but the report on the web interface shows much lower
[15-Dec-2010 15:10:58] <rmatte> the web interface runs for 7 days by default
[15-Dec-2010 15:11:03] <rmatte> what options did you specify in the report?
[15-Dec-2010 15:11:14] <rmatte> you need to run it with a start date, end date
[15-Dec-2010 15:11:25] <rmatte> and optionally with a function, such as average or maximum
[15-Dec-2010 15:11:34] <rmatte> average is what is most useful
[15-Dec-2010 15:11:42] <rmatte> actually, that doesn't take average or max
[15-Dec-2010 15:11:49] <rmatte> only my rrd scripts do
[15-Dec-2010 15:11:53] <rmatte> so just start date and end date
[15-Dec-2010 15:12:26] <fus10nx> yea i just did start and end
[15-Dec-2010 15:13:23] <rmatte> for 7 days?
[15-Dec-2010 15:13:57] <rmatte> I know that report script is accurate since I've compared the values many times with the values in the interface report
[15-Dec-2010 15:14:01] <rmatte> and they are always dead on
[15-Dec-2010 15:14:04] <fus10nx> no i did it for an entire year
[15-Dec-2010 15:14:24] <rmatte> then that would explain it
[15-Dec-2010 15:14:40] <rmatte> obviously devices are going to have very good percentage of uptime over an entire year
[15-Dec-2010 15:14:50] <rmatte> if they were down for 7 hours during a year it's almost nothing
[15-Dec-2010 15:15:02] <rmatte> but if they were down for 7 hours during a week, the percentage will be much lower
[15-Dec-2010 15:15:09] <rmatte> since it's a bigger piece of the pie
[15-Dec-2010 15:15:15] <rmatte> understand?
[15-Dec-2010 15:15:37] <fus10nx> yea i gotcha
[15-Dec-2010 15:15:45] <fus10nx> but even running it as a 1 week its still really high
[15-Dec-2010 15:15:47] <fus10nx> rather 2 week
[15-Dec-2010 15:15:53] <fus10nx> when i know theres been a ton of downtime lately
[15-Dec-2010 15:15:53] <fus10nx> 1 sec
[15-Dec-2010 15:16:19] <fus10nx> i see
[15-Dec-2010 15:16:19] <fus10nx> ok
[15-Dec-2010 15:16:21] <fus10nx> thanks
[15-Dec-2010 15:19:00] <rmatte> it's not so much the number of downtime events, it's the duration
[15-Dec-2010 15:19:24] <rmatte> if things are just dropping for a couple minutes then coming back up, and doing that every few minutes, it's not going to be as big of a deal as if a device is totally hard down for hours
[15-Dec-2010 15:20:39] <fus10nx> gotcga
[15-Dec-2010 15:20:48] <fus10nx> yea i guess we'll have to create the report im looking for
[15-Dec-2010 15:20:52] <fus10nx> i figured it would be common
[15-Dec-2010 15:20:58] <fus10nx> see downtime and uptime graphically
[15-Dec-2010 15:21:44] <rmatte> It's intensive to generate something like that though
[15-Dec-2010 15:21:59] <rmatte> also... differentiating between hundreds, possibly thousands of devices on a graph isn't practical
[15-Dec-2010 15:22:12] <rmatte> what we do for our monthly report is have it run that report script for each day of the month
[15-Dec-2010 15:22:14] <csabo> it would be a CF of lines
[15-Dec-2010 15:22:18] <rmatte> then we can provide a daily percentage
[15-Dec-2010 15:22:23] <rmatte> we find that useful enough
[15-Dec-2010 15:31:40] <fus10nx> nah its cool man, thanks for that
[15-Dec-2010 15:33:26] <rmatte> np
[15-Dec-2010 15:40:29] * joko2 plays circus music
[15-Dec-2010 15:40:55] <joko2> sometimes, it just feels like a damned circus in IT
[15-Dec-2010 15:42:58] <rmatte> yup
[15-Dec-2010 15:43:11] <rmatte> minus the laughter
[15-Dec-2010 16:00:39] * ericenns super mario allstars 25 anniversary time
[15-Dec-2010 16:01:01] <Simon4> ooh, that reminds me
[15-Dec-2010 16:01:07] <Simon4> must download scaletrix for iphone 
[15-Dec-2010 16:01:21] <Simon4> 3D slotcars for the win
[15-Dec-2010 16:02:55] <rmatte> that means I'm about 6 months older than super mario all-stars
[15-Dec-2010 16:02:56] <rmatte> lol
[15-Dec-2010 16:04:20] * Simon4 is about 10, damnit
[15-Dec-2010 16:04:25] <Simon4> this getting old thing sucks
[15-Dec-2010 16:06:35] <rmatte> lol
[15-Dec-2010 16:06:49] <Simon4> I can vaugely remember 25
[15-Dec-2010 16:08:04] <rmatte> 
[15-Dec-2010 16:08:18] <fus10nx> here's another question - is there a way to ignore events ?
[15-Dec-2010 16:08:24] <fus10nx> so they dont pop up in 'device issue' window?
[15-Dec-2010 16:16:12] <ohkus> hello
[15-Dec-2010 16:16:27] <ohkus> anyone know how to get zenoss to play nice with a new ip on the server
[15-Dec-2010 16:17:49] <Simon4> gear menu-> reset ip
[15-Dec-2010 16:17:55] <Simon4> leave blank to use dns
[15-Dec-2010 16:19:11] <joko2> dslakd;slak
[15-Dec-2010 16:20:11] <ohkus> Simon4: I can't get to the web interface?
[15-Dec-2010 16:20:25] <joko2> 
[15-Dec-2010 16:20:26] <Simon4> oh, on the zenoss server itself?
[15-Dec-2010 16:20:33] <ohkus> yes
[15-Dec-2010 16:20:53] <Simon4> I would have htought restarting zenoss should do it
[15-Dec-2010 16:20:59] <ohkus> it hasn't
[15-Dec-2010 16:21:22] <Simon4> hmm, there's nothing I know of in the zenoss config that makes it listen on a particular IP by default
[15-Dec-2010 16:21:31] <Simon4> check $ZENHOME/etc/zope.conf
[15-Dec-2010 16:25:42] <Sam-I-Am> whattup folks
[15-Dec-2010 16:25:53] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: hows your web 'hack' coming along?
[15-Dec-2010 16:26:25] * Simon4 remembers what he was supposed to be doing
[15-Dec-2010 16:26:37] <Simon4> lemme see if I can get the diffs done, the writeup is all done 
[15-Dec-2010 16:26:44] <Simon4> today was a bit hellish
[15-Dec-2010 16:26:54] <Sam-I-Am> k
[15-Dec-2010 16:28:09] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: you run 2.5.2?
[15-Dec-2010 16:28:43] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[15-Dec-2010 16:28:50] <Simon4> cool
[15-Dec-2010 16:29:01] <Sam-I-Am> seems to be the popular thing
[15-Dec-2010 16:29:26] <Simon4> 
[15-Dec-2010 16:33:46] * Simon4 works out why his diffs are huge
[15-Dec-2010 16:33:53] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[15-Dec-2010 16:34:12] <Simon4> turns out my local vm is 2.5.1.. quick upgrade time
[15-Dec-2010 16:34:18] <Sam-I-Am> whoops
[15-Dec-2010 16:34:57] <Simon4> very little differences int he files, but enough to make the diff frustrating
[15-Dec-2010 16:37:59] <rmatte> ohkus: update your hosts file
[15-Dec-2010 16:38:02] <rmatte> with the new IP
[15-Dec-2010 16:38:22] <rmatte> also, there should be nothing preventing you from hitting Zenoss just because you changed the IP
[15-Dec-2010 16:38:28] <rmatte> it's not specifically bound to an IP address
[15-Dec-2010 16:38:43] <rmatte> I change IPs on Zenoss servers all the time, and all I have to update is the hosts file
[15-Dec-2010 16:39:15] <rmatte> make sure your routes are correct on the server
[15-Dec-2010 16:39:30] <rmatte> if they aren't the server won't be able to do anything
[15-Dec-2010 16:39:47] <rmatte> can you try pinging out from the server?
[15-Dec-2010 17:21:26] <rhettardo> why the hell did zenoss just start sending me snmp down alerts for hosts w/ snmpignore set to true
[15-Dec-2010 17:21:38] <rhettardo> this started happening directly after i created a backup
[15-Dec-2010 17:25:35] <rmatte> rhettardo: try a reindex in zendmd
[15-Dec-2010 17:25:46] <rmatte> sounds like the zendmd indexes might be out of whack
[15-Dec-2010 17:26:15] <wobblyonions> hi guys, how much is involved in migrating hosts etc from one Zenoss server to a new one
[15-Dec-2010 17:26:28] <wobblyonions> having major perf issues on the current server and need to migrate to a new install
[15-Dec-2010 17:26:43] <rmatte> wobblyonions: there's quite a bit involved
[15-Dec-2010 17:27:18] <rmatte> wobblyonions: you need to create a zenbackup, then attempt to restore from that (which possibly won't work, make sure you have all the same ZenPacks installed on the other instance as you do on the current one
[15-Dec-2010 17:27:39] <rmatte> wobblyonions: Are you moving from one physical server to another physical server?
[15-Dec-2010 17:27:47] <rhettardo> giving that a shot now
[15-Dec-2010 17:27:59] <rhettardo> first time i've seen or heard of doing that as a possible fix
[15-Dec-2010 17:27:59] <rhettardo> thanks
[15-Dec-2010 17:28:00] <rmatte> rhettardo: don't forget to commit()
[15-Dec-2010 17:28:09] <rhettardo> ok
[15-Dec-2010 17:28:16] <wobblyonions> rmatte: yes from one server to another one
[15-Dec-2010 17:28:44] <rmatte> rhettardo: it might not work, but I recall reindexes fixing weird issues such as that with pings and process monitoring
[15-Dec-2010 17:28:57] <wobblyonions> cant seem to resolve ongoing performance issues with the current server and not 100% happy with the stack install myself to be honest either
[15-Dec-2010 17:29:12] <rmatte> rhettardo: if that doesn't work, restart zenperfsnmp
[15-Dec-2010 17:30:11] <rhettardo> ok
[15-Dec-2010 17:30:19] <rmatte> wobblyonions: why not boot both servers with a linux livecd and dd the old filesystem contents across, then resize them (provided the new disk is larger than the old one)?
[15-Dec-2010 17:30:42] <rmatte> wobblyonions: then just boot it, and modify the network settings, hostname, etc...
[15-Dec-2010 17:31:19] <wobblyonions> want a fresh install and dont want the zenoss-stack install on the new server
[15-Dec-2010 17:31:37] <rhettardo> this sure is taking a whle
[15-Dec-2010 17:31:47] <rmatte> well, you'll have to use zenbackup to backup everything, then try restoring it to the new server
[15-Dec-2010 17:31:57] <rmatte> what do you have against the stack install?
[15-Dec-2010 17:32:18] <rmatte> you'll also need to copy the RRD files over so you don't lose historical performance data
[15-Dec-2010 17:32:25] <rmatte> the zenrestore from the backup may or may not work
[15-Dec-2010 17:33:11] <rmatte> If it doesn't work you'll be stuck pretty much moving everything by hand (you can use zenbatchload to speed things up)
[15-Dec-2010 17:33:27] <Simon4> wobblyonions: you can also a) backup the rrd files, b) grab the Data.fs from $zenhome/var once zenoss is STOPPED and c) take a mysql backup
[15-Dec-2010 17:33:27] <wobblyonions> will give it a go and see how I get on I think in that case, fingers crossed and hpe for the best :-)
[15-Dec-2010 17:33:36] <rmatte> that's true
[15-Dec-2010 17:33:44] <Simon4> put em all back on a new box after starting zenoss once and then stopping it, and you should be awesome
[15-Dec-2010 17:33:48] <rmatte> just pull the Data.fs across, the problem is, he's moving from stack to something else
[15-Dec-2010 17:34:00] <rmatte> Zope might not like the fact that it's suddenly in a new path
[15-Dec-2010 17:34:01] <Simon4> that shouldn't matter for those components
[15-Dec-2010 17:34:05] <rmatte> k
[15-Dec-2010 17:34:17] <wobblyonions> well I will give it a go and feed back to you guys
[15-Dec-2010 17:34:30] <wobblyonions> as a metter of interest what RAID what you guys suggest as best for Zenoss etc?
[15-Dec-2010 17:34:40] <rmatte> a lot of people use RAID 10
[15-Dec-2010 17:34:49] <wobblyonions> and your views on that?
[15-Dec-2010 17:34:50] <rhettardo> damnit, this is still screwed up
[15-Dec-2010 17:34:51] <Simon4> I keep rrd files on raid 0+1, more spindles = faster
[15-Dec-2010 17:35:06] <Simon4> and keep mysql away from rrd and away from Data.fs
[15-Dec-2010 17:35:09] <rmatte> I use a fiber connected SAN, haven't really worked with Zenoss and a regular RAID setup
[15-Dec-2010 17:35:15] <Simon4> those three things are basically your IO hogs
[15-Dec-2010 17:35:27] <Simon4> so keeping them apart makes life much happier
[15-Dec-2010 17:35:39] <rmatte> rhettardo: did you try restarting zenperfsnmp?
[15-Dec-2010 17:35:42] <rhettardo> yeah
[15-Dec-2010 17:35:49] <rmatte> hmmm
[15-Dec-2010 17:35:51] <wobblyonions> will feed back and let you guys know how I get on with the move
[15-Dec-2010 17:36:18] <rmatte> rhettardo: the devices all have zPingMonitorIgnore set on the class, and don't have anything set locally for that?
[15-Dec-2010 17:36:26] <rmatte> erm
[15-Dec-2010 17:36:35] <rhettardo> its alerting hosts down for hosts that are set to maintenance/decomisshined
[15-Dec-2010 17:36:37] <rmatte> zSnmpMonitorIgnore
[15-Dec-2010 17:36:41] <rmatte> I meant to say
[15-Dec-2010 17:36:43] <rhettardo> yes
[15-Dec-2010 17:36:53] <Simon4> wobblyonions: back up those three things on the old install and you can't lose anything
[15-Dec-2010 17:36:58] <rmatte> have you tried completely restarting Zenoss?
[15-Dec-2010 17:37:20] <rhettardo> i tried doing that before this reindex
[15-Dec-2010 17:37:20] * Simon4 makes for bed, night all
[15-Dec-2010 17:37:24] <rhettardo> going to give it another shot right now
[15-Dec-2010 17:37:28] <rmatte> k
[15-Dec-2010 17:43:52] <rhettardo> shit, its still doing it
[15-Dec-2010 17:44:00] <rhettardo> this is annoying
[15-Dec-2010 17:45:31] <rhettardo> fwiw its not alerting me on these errors either which are within the constraints of my global ">= warning" rule
[15-Dec-2010 17:58:36] <rmatte> do you not have a production state filter on your alerting rule?
[15-Dec-2010 17:59:01] <rmatte> either way, there's not much else I can suggest remotely
[15-Dec-2010 17:59:05] <rmatte> that's really weird issue
[15-Dec-2010 17:59:12] <rmatte> I'd say run zenperfsnmp with -v10
[15-Dec-2010 17:59:17] <rmatte> zenperfsnmp run -v10
[15-Dec-2010 17:59:21] <rmatte> and see if you can spot any errors
[15-Dec-2010 17:59:31] <rmatte> also check the zenperfsnmp log file (and other log files)
[15-Dec-2010 19:50:49] <davetoo> ------
[15-Dec-2010 19:50:50] <davetoo> 2010-12-15T16:28:24 INFO ZEO.ClientStorage zeostorage Server authentication protocol None
[15-Dec-2010 19:50:50] <davetoo> ------
[15-Dec-2010 19:50:50] <davetoo> 2010-12-15T16:28:24 INFO ZEO.ClientStorage zeostorage Connected to storage: ('localhost.localdomain', 8100)
[15-Dec-2010 19:50:50] <davetoo> ------
[15-Dec-2010 19:51:29] <davetoo> wow, sorry, I REALLY did not mean to paste that much crap.
[15-Dec-2010 19:58:51] <rhettardo> thank rmatte, i forgot about -v10
[15-Dec-2010 20:39:56] <davetoo> -v1 
[15-Dec-2010 20:42:01] <davetoo> man the v3 UI is  baffling to me.
[15-Dec-2010 20:42:08] <davetoo> First time I've gotten to use it in production.
[15-Dec-2010 20:42:18] <davetoo> I can't find where to set/change the modeler plugins 
[15-Dec-2010 20:42:23] <davetoo> Guess I should RTFM
[15-Dec-2010 20:46:06] <rhettardo> under the device click on modeler plugins
[15-Dec-2010 20:50:20] <davetoo> I need to change it for the entire organizer, not individual device.
[15-Dec-2010 20:50:32] <rhettardo> oh
[15-Dec-2010 20:51:15] <rhettardo> i dunno
[15-Dec-2010 20:51:26] <davetoo> it's probably staring me in the face
[15-Dec-2010 20:51:50] <davetoo> yep
[15-Dec-2010 20:51:51] <davetoo> it was
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[16-Dec-2010 02:44:32] <fragfutter> morning. any dev/community manager present?
[16-Dec-2010 02:46:15] <Simon4> wrong timezone for that most likely
[16-Dec-2010 02:46:28] <fragfutter> i know, but i can still ask 
[16-Dec-2010 02:46:30] <Simon4> they're probably all asleep
[16-Dec-2010 02:46:32] <Simon4> 
[16-Dec-2010 02:46:49] <fragfutter> (and someone didn't clean the topic)
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[16-Dec-2010 08:44:09] <ericenns> morning
[16-Dec-2010 08:51:50] <csabo> hello
[16-Dec-2010 08:52:04] <ericenns> morning
[16-Dec-2010 08:54:43] <csabo> man i wish i had an iphone
[16-Dec-2010 08:54:48] <csabo> android is going to be the death of me
[16-Dec-2010 08:54:56] <ericenns> really
[16-Dec-2010 08:55:01] <csabo> Yes
[16-Dec-2010 08:55:14] <ericenns> I'd go with android I got a blackberry
[16-Dec-2010 08:55:18] <csabo> I went with android because it was an open platform, or supposed to be
[16-Dec-2010 08:55:57] <ericenns> more open then iphone
[16-Dec-2010 08:56:08] <csabo> this is true
[16-Dec-2010 08:56:21] <csabo> but the carriers and mfgs are still doing their best to stop all unauthorized software
[16-Dec-2010 08:56:44] <csabo> and i have some bugs with things like bluetooth that i need for work (music!) that cause reboots..ect
[16-Dec-2010 08:56:52] <ericenns> guess that's true and it is kinda fracturing
[16-Dec-2010 08:57:01] <csabo> yeah
[16-Dec-2010 08:57:27] <csabo> apple does lockdown things really tight, however, from an out of box standpoint, i'd rather have an iphone, or my old BB Bold
[16-Dec-2010 08:57:38] <ericenns> I would almost just have an android for the google black magic
[16-Dec-2010 08:57:39] <csabo> the out of box on a BB or iphone is more polished than android
[16-Dec-2010 08:58:00] <csabo> I do like the account sync stuff with android, you can wipe your phone without fear of losing anything
[16-Dec-2010 08:58:02] <ericenns> I think the nexus and nexus s are polished
[16-Dec-2010 08:58:12] <csabo> your contacts,bookmarks, WIFI settings, BT pairings..ect all get backed up
[16-Dec-2010 08:58:23] <csabo> the N1 is a very nice phone, this is true
[16-Dec-2010 08:58:46] <csabo> I have a motorola droid 1.. every phone since the D1 that verizon has released has been more and more locked down
[16-Dec-2010 08:59:00] <csabo> the samsung even includes BING search, and google search is BLOCKED, you cant install from market
[16-Dec-2010 08:59:05] <ericenns> yeah well thats what carries love to do
[16-Dec-2010 09:01:12] <csabo> Yup, find somthing, exploit it, find better ways to exploit it
[16-Dec-2010 09:01:27] <csabo> android was a goldmine for them, a great OS that they can destroy lockdown and sell off in pieces
[16-Dec-2010 09:03:30] <ericenns> yup
[16-Dec-2010 09:04:27] <ericenns> any you ever get a internal server error while trying to view an event in zenoss
[16-Dec-2010 09:04:44] <csabo> Yup
[16-Dec-2010 09:05:03] <csabo> my fix, stop trying to view that event 
[16-Dec-2010 09:05:35] <ericenns> eugh, looking in the logs it looks as if utf8 can't decode the info
[16-Dec-2010 09:09:25] <ericenns> for me it's a trap from my cisco ips
[16-Dec-2010 09:11:47] <joko2> lalala
[16-Dec-2010 09:17:03] <joko2> must... obtain... coffee...
[16-Dec-2010 09:28:58] <fragfutter> mray, are you alive?
[16-Dec-2010 09:29:11] <mray> is this some sort of Turing test?
[16-Dec-2010 09:29:34] <fragfutter> correct answer would be "does it bother you to be alive"
[16-Dec-2010 09:30:37] <fragfutter> i want to release some code to the zenoss community. i signed the contributers agreement. are you the right person to get write access to subversion?
[16-Dec-2010 09:31:02] <mray> unfortunately I no longer have that ability, since I'm not working for Zenoss anymore
[16-Dec-2010 09:31:11] <fragfutter> mray: right, i forgot.
[16-Dec-2010 09:31:16] <mray> but email nyeates@zenoss.com and he'll hook you up
[16-Dec-2010 09:31:28] <mray> what kind of code?
[16-Dec-2010 09:31:37] <fragfutter> modelling LLDP Links of switches.
[16-Dec-2010 09:31:46] <mray> you can release anything you want at any time
[16-Dec-2010 09:32:01] <mray> but getting devs to patch it in is going to take a ticket with a patch
[16-Dec-2010 09:32:08] <mray> and a bit of pestering
[16-Dec-2010 09:32:18] <fragfutter> it's not a patch, it is a modeller plugin.
[16-Dec-2010 09:32:20] <mray> since I know they're pretty busy right about now
[16-Dec-2010 09:32:33] <mray> fragfutter: you can put that in a zenpack, that'll be easier
[16-Dec-2010 09:33:11] <fragfutter> mray: i mean it is a zenpack. i just want the code to live in a public accessible subversion instead of our private one.
[16-Dec-2010 09:33:17] <mray> oh sure
[16-Dec-2010 09:33:24] <mray> ping nyeates, tell him you have a new ZenPack
[16-Dec-2010 09:33:49] <fragfutter> i tried to catch him in irc, but looks like timezones are too different.
[16-Dec-2010 09:35:48] <rmatte> mray: I'd imagine Nick is completely swamped with packs at the moment, 2 out of 3 of my new packs that I submitted to the contest don't even have ZenPack pages yet 
[16-Dec-2010 09:36:17] <mray> 
[16-Dec-2010 09:36:27] <rmatte> I really want to get my Cisco Catalyst pack out there
[16-Dec-2010 09:36:29] <mray> fragfutter: I'd say email him
[16-Dec-2010 09:36:34] <rmatte> since quite a lot of people expressed interest in it
[16-Dec-2010 09:36:35] <mray> rmatte: it's still not out?
[16-Dec-2010 09:36:41] <rmatte> nope
[16-Dec-2010 09:36:42] <mray> wtf
[16-Dec-2010 09:36:56] <rmatte> My Formula Datasource pack is the only one officially released
[16-Dec-2010 09:37:11] <rmatte> the Cisco Catalyst and UCD FileSystem packs aren't done yet
[16-Dec-2010 09:37:52] <mray> if you see kells around, he does the development side of ZenPack publishing
[16-Dec-2010 09:37:57] <rmatte> It seems like pages were created for all of the contest winners, but none of the non-contest winner packs have pages yet
[16-Dec-2010 09:38:02] <mray> Nick handles the announcements and stuff
[16-Dec-2010 09:38:04] <rmatte> ah, cool
[16-Dec-2010 09:38:12] <rmatte> I'll see if I can catch Kells then
[16-Dec-2010 09:41:32] <tehhobbit> anyone that give me some quick tips on how thru dmd list what properties, class and functions  a object has (in this case and event)
[16-Dec-2010 09:42:15] <fragfutter> dir
[16-Dec-2010 09:42:42] <mray> tehhobbit: or tab-complete
[16-Dec-2010 09:42:47] <tehhobbit> seems like dmd + tab complete seems like the best and closest api documentation
[16-Dec-2010 09:42:58] <tehhobbit> mray: yeah
[16-Dec-2010 09:54:27] <rmatte> yeh, that's what I always use
[16-Dec-2010 09:54:32] <rmatte> I love the tab completion
[16-Dec-2010 09:55:39] <fragfutter> and there is always the good old grep and use the source luke
[16-Dec-2010 10:03:20] <rmatte> yup
[16-Dec-2010 10:05:34] <tehhobbit> for ruby you have rdoc that can generate html api docs from code comments etc anything like that for python ?
[16-Dec-2010 10:06:00] <fragfutter> tehhobbit: take an educated guess. hint it starts with p
[16-Dec-2010 10:06:01] <rmatte> there probably is, but I don't know of any
[16-Dec-2010 10:06:41] <fragfutter> tehhobbit: and in the python shell (dmd) there is "help"
[16-Dec-2010 10:07:20] <tehhobbit> PDoc is an inline comment parser and JavaScript documentation generator written in Ruby. <- uuuhm same function but everything else was wrong =)
[16-Dec-2010 10:07:24] <rmatte> he's talking about actually dynamically generating api docs though
[16-Dec-2010 10:07:30] <fragfutter> tehhobbit: pydoc
[16-Dec-2010 10:07:31] <rmatte> not just getting help on coding
[16-Dec-2010 10:07:46] <fragfutter> rmatte: help(dmd)
[16-Dec-2010 10:07:48] <rmatte> yeh, pydoc looks like what you want
[16-Dec-2010 10:07:48] <tehhobbit> pydoc it is
[16-Dec-2010 10:08:30] <fragfutter> help will use pydoc to generate documentation and can be called from inside an interactive python shell
[16-Dec-2010 10:10:50] <tehhobbit> now all I need is a test installation so I can start breaking stuff
[16-Dec-2010 10:10:55] <tehhobbit> 
[16-Dec-2010 10:11:56] <rservers> Im seriously considering doing a migration from groundwork + cacti to zenoss.  That way I can combine my 2 monitoring systems.
[16-Dec-2010 10:12:55] <rmatte> rservers: you most likely won't be dissapointed if you do
[16-Dec-2010 10:12:58] <rmatte> Zenoss is great
[16-Dec-2010 10:13:30] <rmatte> man, I really need to talk to Nick about cleaning up the ZenPacks page, it's becoming a huge mess
[16-Dec-2010 10:13:51] <rmatte> I'll have to help with going through and verifying if packs are obsolete, and non-2.5 compatible
[16-Dec-2010 10:14:10] <rmatte> non-3.0 compatible rather
[16-Dec-2010 10:14:37] <tehhobbit> rmatte: a second "frontpage" were you pick version might be an idea
[16-Dec-2010 10:14:47] <rmatte> oh, actually the WMI packs have been cleaned up
[16-Dec-2010 10:14:49] <rmatte> which is good
[16-Dec-2010 10:15:13] <tehhobbit> I cant get zenjmx and zenwmi to work with multiple collectors :/
[16-Dec-2010 10:15:19] <Sam-I-Am> morning folks
[16-Dec-2010 10:15:22] <rmatte> tehhobbit: sounds too complex to maintain... I'm more just looking to see the obsolete packs taken off the ZenPacks page
[16-Dec-2010 10:16:19] <tehhobbit> rmatte: ok, and suppose you can get the same really from tags
[16-Dec-2010 10:16:31] <rmatte> yeh
[16-Dec-2010 10:16:43] <rmatte> Some packs obsolete older packs
[16-Dec-2010 10:16:45] <rmatte> for instance...
[16-Dec-2010 10:16:55] <rmatte> docs/DOC-3436 obsoletes docs/DOC-3402
[16-Dec-2010 10:17:04] <rmatte> which is already obsolete since it's not 3.0 compatible
[16-Dec-2010 10:17:24] <ericenns> and my zenpacks obsolete some lol
[16-Dec-2010 10:17:58] <rmatte> yeh, your VMWare pack is just about to obsolete every vmware pack out there
[16-Dec-2010 10:18:31] <ericenns> haha yup was going to work on it last night but super mario bros allstars took precedence
[16-Dec-2010 10:18:50] <rmatte> lol
[16-Dec-2010 10:19:11] <rmatte> I watched a documentary of the world record holder of donkey kong
[16-Dec-2010 10:19:19] <rmatte> it was pretty interesting
[16-Dec-2010 10:22:00] <tehhobbit> ericenns: docs/DOC-10225 ?
[16-Dec-2010 10:22:14] <rmatte> yup
[16-Dec-2010 10:22:19] <tehhobbit> ericenns: could use a nice esx pack think I'll try it out
[16-Dec-2010 10:22:37] <rmatte> it works for ESX as well (the name is misleading)
[16-Dec-2010 10:23:09] <rmatte> and I tested it against our vSphere server... it picked up the Guests, but no host info
[16-Dec-2010 10:23:19] <rmatte> but that's probably because the vSphere server isn't actually a host
[16-Dec-2010 10:24:11] <tehhobbit> ericenns: just a question for a larger esx cluster I install this on the vSphere host not on the cluster nodes right ?
[16-Dec-2010 10:24:25] <rmatte> install what?
[16-Dec-2010 10:24:32] <rmatte> nothing gets installed on the ESX hosts
[16-Dec-2010 10:24:37] <tehhobbit> sry not install use on
[16-Dec-2010 10:24:47] <rmatte> you can use it on the vSphere host, yeh
[16-Dec-2010 10:24:59] <rmatte> but you won't actually get host stats
[16-Dec-2010 10:25:09] <rmatte> I personally use it on the actual vmware servers
[16-Dec-2010 10:25:24] <rmatte> against* rather
[16-Dec-2010 10:25:49] <tehhobbit> ok
[16-Dec-2010 10:26:08] <tehhobbit> aaah now I see exp+lanation came with the depens
[16-Dec-2010 10:26:50] <tehhobbit> couldnt figure out how it was gonna pulla data from the hosts without extra stuff untill I looked at the VMWARE DATA SOURCE
[16-Dec-2010 10:27:06] <rmatte> ericenns: I was thinking about the issue where hosts could be moving between ESX servers automatically based on load...
[16-Dec-2010 10:27:19] <davetoo> anybody have a modified rpm/install script for Egor's Distributed Collectors that installs the base zenoss without mysql and without the zodb load?  (is the latter possible?)
[16-Dec-2010 10:27:49] <rmatte> ericenns: a daemon is really the only way to go about that properly
[16-Dec-2010 10:27:54] <Simon4> davetoo: remove .fresh_install before starting zenoss
[16-Dec-2010 10:28:01] <Simon4> that stops the initial zodb load
[16-Dec-2010 10:28:47] <davetoo> oh, ok, I vaguely remember that one.
[16-Dec-2010 10:28:50] <rmatte> yeh, you can probably do a force install on the rpm with a no deps option or something to avoid installing MySQL
[16-Dec-2010 10:29:58] <davetoo> Eventually I would also like to fix the postinstall script to find the actual hostname and routed IP address of the local host for the initial device load it does with wget
[16-Dec-2010 10:30:09] <rmatte> ericenns: the powered/status only get updated in your pack during remodel?
[16-Dec-2010 10:30:15] <davetoo> so I don't have to go in and re-name and re-IP "localhost".
[16-Dec-2010 10:30:57] <rmatte> davetoo: it grabs that from the hosts file
[16-Dec-2010 10:31:09] <davetoo> hmm.. ok
[16-Dec-2010 10:32:36] <davetoo> here's another one: 
[16-Dec-2010 10:34:12] <davetoo> For the config and zproperty settings, do y'all use a setup script (zendmd/json) or do you put those into a custom zenpack?  E.g. to ignore "unrouted interfaces" on Ciscos, and set 0.0.0.0/0 autodiscovery to False before starting, and set custom snmp community strings, etc?
[16-Dec-2010 10:34:38] <rmatte> davetoo: it works off the stuff on the master
[16-Dec-2010 10:35:00] <rmatte> so there's no need.
[16-Dec-2010 10:35:07] <davetoo> sorry, I was switching contexts.  I meant for a new Master/Standalone instance.
[16-Dec-2010 10:35:22] <rmatte> I personally have a VMWare template that I keep up to date
[16-Dec-2010 10:35:22] <davetoo> Say for Disaster Recovery or a new site?
[16-Dec-2010 10:35:31] <rmatte> when I want a new one I just clone that
[16-Dec-2010 10:35:33] <rmatte> then spin it up
[16-Dec-2010 10:35:45] <rmatte> not sure how others do it
[16-Dec-2010 10:36:13] * Sam-I-Am gets to load mibs into zenoss
[16-Dec-2010 10:36:16] <Sam-I-Am> joy and rapture
[16-Dec-2010 10:37:09] <davetoo> I've done both ways; the Zenpack is "supported" but hides the details way down the directory tree in objects.xml.  The script is easy to read but takes zendmd hacking skills to create.
[16-Dec-2010 10:37:54] <joko2> interesting
[16-Dec-2010 10:38:11] <davetoo> $client is using hardware servers but also refuses to just clone VMs anyway.  It's Kickstart+Cobbler+Cfengine, or nothing.
[16-Dec-2010 10:38:45] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am: why?  Traps?
[16-Dec-2010 10:38:57] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[16-Dec-2010 10:39:18] <rmatte> davetoo: well forget cloning... approach it this way...
[16-Dec-2010 10:39:42] <joko2> I'm monitoring a win2008 server, via WMI. Everything seems fine, although under the windows services, I don't seem to get any information related to "domain services", a better way to put that is the Logon Name or Start Name of the service includes the AD domain, such as ADDOMAIN\svc_user
[16-Dec-2010 10:39:52] <rmatte> setup a temp server, do a clean install of Zenoss on it, copy the Zenoss directory from the prod server, tar it up, move it to the temp server, untar it to the install location
[16-Dec-2010 10:40:02] <rmatte> then fire up zenoss, remove all devices and events
[16-Dec-2010 10:40:05] <rmatte> then tar it back up
[16-Dec-2010 10:40:29] <rmatte> if you want to do a Zenoss install on a physical server, do a fresh install, then untar that
[16-Dec-2010 10:40:37] <rmatte> then you have your Zope, all your ZenPacks, everything
[16-Dec-2010 10:41:02] <davetoo> That's a possibility, yeah.
[16-Dec-2010 10:41:35] <rmatte> keeping the "temporary" server running indefinitely to constantly keep it up to date would be good too
[16-Dec-2010 10:41:51] <rmatte> it basically accomplishes the same thing as a clone with a bit more work
[16-Dec-2010 10:42:12] <rmatte> I really have to use clones since I have a lot more setup on the image than just Zenoss
[16-Dec-2010 10:42:19] <rmatte> and I also have Zenoss integrations with the US
[16-Dec-2010 10:42:31] <rmatte> for instance, the hosts file gets automagically updated from Zenoss
[16-Dec-2010 10:42:43] <rmatte> plus the image is configured for LDAP auth
[16-Dec-2010 10:42:49] <rmatte> (via ssh, and zenoss)
[16-Dec-2010 10:42:53] <davetoo> The Enterprise distributed collector pack just uses somethign to the effect of ( cd /opt/zenoss; tar cfv - .) | ssh $remote ( cd /opt/zenoss; tar xf -)
[16-Dec-2010 10:42:53] joko2 is now known as joko
[16-Dec-2010 10:42:55] <davetoo> 
[16-Dec-2010 10:42:59] <rmatte> and it has ZipTie installed and pre-configured
[16-Dec-2010 10:43:13] <rmatte> US == OS
[16-Dec-2010 10:43:35] <rmatte> davetoo: yeh, sounds about right
[16-Dec-2010 10:43:36] <tehhobbit> ZipTie ?
[16-Dec-2010 10:44:02] <davetoo> *nod*
[16-Dec-2010 10:44:04] <rmatte> ZipTie was an open source solution for doing config backups of network devices (as well as mass executing commands on them)
[16-Dec-2010 10:44:21] <davetoo> I need to figure out LDAP (AD) auth for Core, too.
[16-Dec-2010 10:44:30] <rmatte> The company that was funding/controlling the project got bought out by the same company that bought out the MSP I used to work for (and trashed it)
[16-Dec-2010 10:44:52] <davetoo> Hate when that happens
[16-Dec-2010 10:45:03] <rmatte> they changed the licensing so that it is now called Network Authority Inventory, and can only be used for internal business purposes (not to provide services)
[16-Dec-2010 10:45:20] <rmatte> since we're backing up stuff for our clients, we're using the last version of ZipTie that was available under the old license
[16-Dec-2010 10:45:25] <rmatte> it works well enough
[16-Dec-2010 10:45:32] <davetoo> similar to RANCID?
[16-Dec-2010 10:45:47] <rmatte> better than in my opinion
[16-Dec-2010 10:45:47] <davetoo> (which I have yet to use; we used Opsware at $job[-1]
[16-Dec-2010 10:45:48] <davetoo> )
[16-Dec-2010 10:45:59] <rmatte> it has an interface for comparing configs, executing commands, etc...
[16-Dec-2010 10:46:10] <rmatte> you can tell it to run whatever commands you want across however many devices you want
[16-Dec-2010 10:46:56] <davetoo> (speaking of commands.. I find it extremely cool that Cisco NX-OS has 'sed' and several other basic unix commands)
[16-Dec-2010 10:47:10] <rmatte> That's because it's built on top of linux
[16-Dec-2010 10:47:31] <rmatte> It's basically an emulated IOS on top of a Linux shell
[16-Dec-2010 10:47:36] <davetoo> One thing I always wished for was for IOS to keep the comments in config files I uploaded
[16-Dec-2010 10:47:42] <davetoo> yeah, has tshark too 
[16-Dec-2010 10:48:06] <davetoo> of course that only sees slow-path packets, which is next to useless
[16-Dec-2010 10:48:40] <rmatte> yeh
[16-Dec-2010 10:49:01] <rmatte> well, time to work on improving Egor's WMI Windows Performance pack...
[16-Dec-2010 10:49:06] <Applic> Hey
[16-Dec-2010 10:49:08] <davetoo> 
[16-Dec-2010 10:49:15] * davetoo <-- shower&
[16-Dec-2010 10:49:19] <rmatte> I'm going to make it able to see mount points
[16-Dec-2010 10:49:37] <rmatte> since right now it can only see filesystems directly under a drive letter
[16-Dec-2010 10:50:22] <Applic> I want to apply for ns-3 gsoc can anybody tell me how i could begin
[16-Dec-2010 10:50:34] <Applic> I have read some of the ideas on the ideas page
[16-Dec-2010 10:53:21] <rmatte> I don't even know what ns-3 gsoc is, or what it has to do with Zenoss
[16-Dec-2010 10:53:27] <joko> hmm
[16-Dec-2010 10:53:45] <joko> Custom WinServices... "Service Keys"?
[16-Dec-2010 10:55:43] <rmatte> hunh?
[16-Dec-2010 10:56:53] <joko> I'm monitoring a win2008 server, via WMI. Everything seems fine, although under the windows services, I don't seem to get any information related to "domain services", a better way to put that is the Logon Name or Start Name of the service includes the AD domain, such as ADDOMAIN\svc_user
[16-Dec-2010 10:57:12] <joko> im using a domain admin for WMI
[16-Dec-2010 10:57:29] <joko> I was thinking I might add a custom service, altho never done that
[16-Dec-2010 10:57:31] <ericenns> rmatte: back now thanks for answering those questions and yeah I watched king of kong recently
[16-Dec-2010 10:57:54] <rmatte> yeh, that's the one I watched
[16-Dec-2010 10:58:43] <rmatte> joko: you need to go in to Services on the left and enable anything that's disabled that you want to monitor
[16-Dec-2010 10:58:48] <ericenns> yes the up/down status is just updated at model time
[16-Dec-2010 10:58:50] <rmatte> actually you're probably using 3.0
[16-Dec-2010 10:58:59] <rmatte> there's a services section, probably under infrastructure
[16-Dec-2010 10:59:03] <joko> rmatte: im using 2.5.2
[16-Dec-2010 10:59:09] <rmatte> ok, then services on the left
[16-Dec-2010 10:59:12] <ericenns> it does that in the guest modeler plugin
[16-Dec-2010 10:59:15] <joko> will check
[16-Dec-2010 10:59:19] <rmatte> enable any that are disabled that you want monitored
[16-Dec-2010 10:59:23] <rmatte> and then they'll show up
[16-Dec-2010 10:59:43] <rmatte> ericenns: ah, it's too bad it's not checking status every polling cycle
[16-Dec-2010 10:59:52] <rmatte> would be a nice monitoring feature
[16-Dec-2010 11:00:02] <rmatte> generate alerts when devices are powered off/on
[16-Dec-2010 11:00:09] <ericenns> do modeler plugins not run at every polling cycle?
[16-Dec-2010 11:00:14] <rmatte> no
[16-Dec-2010 11:00:32] <rmatte> zenmodeler only runs every 720 minutes by default
[16-Dec-2010 11:00:35] <rmatte> it's configurable
[16-Dec-2010 11:00:41] <ericenns> oh interesting so basically that would need to be done in the template?
[16-Dec-2010 11:00:46] <rmatte> I don't run it at all, I only model by hand
[16-Dec-2010 11:00:59] <rmatte> since we monitor across some slow links, and it's too intensive to remodel all the time
[16-Dec-2010 11:01:13] <ericenns> yup
[16-Dec-2010 11:01:27] <rmatte> but yeh, checking the state per cycle would be cool
[16-Dec-2010 11:01:45] <joko> yeah, unfortunately the service is not even listed there
[16-Dec-2010 11:01:55] <rmatte> as far as VMs jumping between hosts, that's a whole other bag of worms hehe
[16-Dec-2010 11:02:02] <ericenns> I will definitely look into changing that wonder how to do that lol, I got a feeling I will have to ditch the ZenossVirtualHostMonitor soon
[16-Dec-2010 11:02:15] <rmatte> joko: the service actually shows up in services on the server?
[16-Dec-2010 11:02:42] <rmatte> ericenns: I'm wondering if you can't just automatically do a remodel every cycle, but only for devices in that class
[16-Dec-2010 11:02:57] <ericenns> not sure
[16-Dec-2010 11:02:57] <joko> yep, but there is one key difference, it does not logon as a local system account, but an AD account
[16-Dec-2010 11:03:00] <rmatte> bit of a sketchy way to do it
[16-Dec-2010 11:03:03] <rmatte> lol
[16-Dec-2010 11:03:14] <ericenns> yeah that would be
[16-Dec-2010 11:04:59] <joko> D:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft BizTalk Server 2010\BTSNTSvc.exe" -group "BizTalk Group" -name "BizTalkServerApplication" -btsapp "{EB1C2081-744A-4941-AABB-C6D7CE118FA5}"
[16-Dec-2010 11:05:13] <joko> odd
[16-Dec-2010 11:05:38] <rmatte> that's an exe
[16-Dec-2010 11:05:45] <rmatte> does it actually show up in the list of services though?
[16-Dec-2010 11:05:49] <rmatte> or is it simply running as a process?
[16-Dec-2010 11:06:02] <joko> yeah, no it shows up in the services
[16-Dec-2010 11:06:05] <rmatte> if it's simply running as a process then it needs to be added to the Processes section
[16-Dec-2010 11:06:07] <rmatte> ah ok
[16-Dec-2010 11:06:25] <rmatte> It should be picking it up automagically, you said you're using a domain admin account?
[16-Dec-2010 11:06:29] <joko> there are about 5 of the similar non-local logon svc accounts that don't show
[16-Dec-2010 11:06:41] <joko> yeah, domain admin
[16-Dec-2010 11:06:45] <rmatte> hmmm
[16-Dec-2010 11:06:47] <rmatte> strange
[16-Dec-2010 11:06:50] <joko> yea
[16-Dec-2010 11:06:58] <joko> I have it in /CIM/WMI
[16-Dec-2010 11:07:13] <rmatte> Is it a windows 2000 server?
[16-Dec-2010 11:07:14] <joko> odd
[16-Dec-2010 11:07:18] <joko> 2008r2
[16-Dec-2010 11:07:21] <rmatte> k
[16-Dec-2010 11:08:53] <joko> it's a quirky one to google
[16-Dec-2010 11:09:01] <joko> may post in forums
[16-Dec-2010 11:19:10] <tehhobbit> ericenns: 2010-12-16 17:18:41,476 WARNING zen.ZenModeler: The plugin community.cmd.VMwareESXiGuestMap returned no results. <- in what log can I find debug result for this ?
[16-Dec-2010 11:20:44] <ericenns> tehhobbit: that may possibly mean that you haven't set ZVsphere[username|password] or zCommand[username|password]
[16-Dec-2010 11:21:10] <ericenns> those plugins are using zencommand
[16-Dec-2010 11:21:19] <ericenns> could try looking in that log
[16-Dec-2010 11:22:38] <tehhobbit> ok tnx hmm might be an issue with using domain users maybe
[16-Dec-2010 11:23:03] <ericenns> is there a \ in the username then
[16-Dec-2010 11:23:32] <ericenns> if so that may be the problem and I know how to fix that then
[16-Dec-2010 11:25:42] <tehhobbit> ok when I use a the ssh access account I get Error: Permission to perform this operation was denied.
[16-Dec-2010 11:25:53] <tehhobbit> so atleast a step forward
[16-Dec-2010 11:26:14] <tehhobbit> are those using ssh ?
[16-Dec-2010 11:26:24] <ericenns> they use the vsphere accounts
[16-Dec-2010 11:26:42] <ericenns> so for example what you use to log into vsphere on windows
[16-Dec-2010 11:29:54] <Sam-I-Am> meh, loading mibs into zenoss is super frustrating
[16-Dec-2010 11:30:06] <Sam-I-Am> especially when the python deal decides it cant parse something
[16-Dec-2010 11:30:09] <rmatte> It can be, yes
[16-Dec-2010 11:30:22] <rmatte> what Mibs are you trying to load?
[16-Dec-2010 11:30:59] <Sam-I-Am> stuff for brocade/foundry ethernet gear
[16-Dec-2010 11:31:22] <Sam-I-Am> i fixed what i think caused the parse error in the mib, but zenoss still sees the old issue
[16-Dec-2010 11:31:31] <Sam-I-Am> maybe it sorta sucked it in, now i need to delete it first
[16-Dec-2010 11:33:12] <rmatte> I just found a typo that Egor made in the WMI FileSystem plugin
[16-Dec-2010 11:33:20] <rmatte> I shall fix that while I'm at modifying it
[16-Dec-2010 11:33:20] <rmatte> 
[16-Dec-2010 11:33:47] <Sam-I-Am> oops
[16-Dec-2010 11:34:54] <Sam-I-Am> claims to be finding the error in the pythonized mib
[16-Dec-2010 11:34:57] <Sam-I-Am> wonder where it stores those
[16-Dec-2010 11:37:43] <ericenns> rmatte: I think I may have figured out how to update up down status
[16-Dec-2010 11:40:55] <tehhobbit> ericenns: get a feeling we have a somewhat different setup, got a virtual center server setup which you login against then that one talks to the accuall esx hosts
[16-Dec-2010 11:41:18] <rmatte> ericenns: nice
[16-Dec-2010 11:41:26] <tehhobbit> ericenns: becasue my domain user and pass works with client but with perl it seems intent on using a local account
[16-Dec-2010 11:41:45] <rmatte> tehhobbit: yeh, you have a vSphere server
[16-Dec-2010 11:41:48] <rmatte> we have the same thing here
[16-Dec-2010 11:41:52] <rmatte> I tested it against that
[16-Dec-2010 11:41:56] <rmatte> it pulled down the guests fine
[16-Dec-2010 11:42:01] <rmatte> but not the host info (on the perf tab)
[16-Dec-2010 11:42:58] * tehhobbit is now  HAPPY CAMPER
[16-Dec-2010 11:43:02] <tehhobbit> ops caps
[16-Dec-2010 11:43:10] <ericenns> tehhobbit: I have an idea
[16-Dec-2010 11:43:47] <tehhobbit> ericenns: I need local account if I do esx host but not against the virtual center computer
[16-Dec-2010 11:43:58] <tehhobbit> so all good at the end
[16-Dec-2010 11:44:04] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: do you know how to 'unconfuse' zenoss into re-reading what appears to be a corrected mib?
[16-Dec-2010 11:44:07] <ericenns> ok so you got it all figured out then
[16-Dec-2010 11:44:19] <Sam-I-Am> seems like the parser doesnt like units spanning more than one line
[16-Dec-2010 11:44:25] <Sam-I-Am> so i think i fixed it
[16-Dec-2010 11:44:54] <tehhobbit> dammit should start working US hours while I fiddle with this, chanells is to quite on CET 
[16-Dec-2010 11:45:02] <tehhobbit> but bet my boss wont like that
[16-Dec-2010 11:45:04] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[16-Dec-2010 11:45:25] <ericenns> rmatte: yeah I am going to have to ditch the ZenossVirtualHostMonitor to enable updates to guest status
[16-Dec-2010 11:46:12] <ericenns> rmatte: I knew this would happen but I was hoping it wouldn't happen so soon
[16-Dec-2010 11:46:32] <Sam-I-Am> then the question is does the collector need the mibs, or the hub
[16-Dec-2010 11:47:04] <Sam-I-Am> i think the hub... since thats whats viewing them
[16-Dec-2010 11:47:42] <tehhobbit> Sam-I-Am: all transforms and eventhandling is on the hub afaik
[16-Dec-2010 11:49:44] <ericenns> poll: for VSphere Zenpack should I remove the ZenossVirtualHost dependencie first so that guest status is updated at zencommand polling or should I first of all add information on interfaces, LUNs, Host Bus Adapters, Host Volumes, and Host Volume partitions (that is no performance data)
[16-Dec-2010 11:51:17] <ericenns> rmatte what you think?
[16-Dec-2010 11:52:05] <ericenns> leaving for lunch now so leave me a irc message of what you guys think
[16-Dec-2010 11:56:13] <tehhobbit> http://pastie.org/1383072
[16-Dec-2010 11:56:19] <tehhobbit> this cant be good
[16-Dec-2010 11:58:11] <Sam-I-Am> eeeeooooo
[16-Dec-2010 13:04:34] <rmatte> hmmm, I wish bigegor were around right now
[16-Dec-2010 13:05:46] <rmatte> in his WMI FileSystem template he has: Win32_LogicalDisk.DeviceID="${here/id}:"
[16-Dec-2010 13:05:59] <rmatte> I need him to explain how it knows to pull the usedBlocks value from that
[16-Dec-2010 13:06:09] <rmatte> since there isn't actually a property called usedBlocks in WMI
[16-Dec-2010 13:06:15] <rmatte> so he must have it defined somewhere else
[16-Dec-2010 13:07:29] <rmatte> hmmm, apparently not
[16-Dec-2010 13:22:07] <kokey> i'm back on the radar
[16-Dec-2010 13:22:13] <kokey> after a week of being properly ill
[16-Dec-2010 13:24:30] <rmatte> cool
[16-Dec-2010 13:24:30] <rmatte> lol
[16-Dec-2010 13:25:04] <mistich> hello all
[16-Dec-2010 13:25:31] <mistich> any one seen where /tmp get filled up beacuse of zenoss
[16-Dec-2010 13:25:38] <rmatte> nope
[16-Dec-2010 13:25:50] <rmatte> Zenoss barely even touches my /tmp on any of my Zenoss servers
[16-Dec-2010 13:26:01] <mistich> if I restart zenoss it clears up which is weird
[16-Dec-2010 13:26:11] <rmatte> yeh, that is odd
[16-Dec-2010 13:26:21] <mistich> but then comes back lsof shows big deleted files
[16-Dec-2010 13:26:27] <rmatte> was that you yesterday having that funky snmp issue?
[16-Dec-2010 13:26:38] <mistich> nope
[16-Dec-2010 13:26:53] <rmatte> oh no, that was rhettardo
[16-Dec-2010 13:26:57] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: when zenoss parses "pythonizes" mibs, does it store them in any temporary location?
[16-Dec-2010 13:27:12] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: I believe so, but I don't know where that would be
[16-Dec-2010 13:27:12] <mistich> I was the one that forgot how to use xmlrpc 
[16-Dec-2010 13:27:23] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: ha, neither do i
[16-Dec-2010 13:27:25] <Sam-I-Am> but it seems to
[16-Dec-2010 13:27:28] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: It uses some non-zenoss tool to do the parsing
[16-Dec-2010 13:27:32] <rmatte> I forget the name of it
[16-Dec-2010 13:27:45] <Sam-I-Am> nice
[16-Dec-2010 13:28:08] <rmatte> smidump
[16-Dec-2010 13:28:12] <rmatte> that's what it uses
[16-Dec-2010 13:28:32] <rmatte> to dump it anyways
[16-Dec-2010 13:28:59] <rmatte> sometimes smidump barfs on certain mibs in my experience
[16-Dec-2010 13:29:17] <Sam-I-Am> keeps getting hung up on this mib... i thought i fixed it, but its indicating the same position for the error as if it has another copy of the mib somewhere.
[16-Dec-2010 13:30:02] <rmatte> well... when it barfs it still usually loads the Mib in to Zenoss anyways with 0 nodes
[16-Dec-2010 13:30:07] <rmatte> have you checked to see if it's in there?
[16-Dec-2010 13:30:11] <rmatte> if so, remove it
[16-Dec-2010 13:31:42] <Sam-I-Am> i'm not seeing it in there
[16-Dec-2010 13:33:25] <rmatte> k
[16-Dec-2010 13:33:43] <rmatte> do an "updatedb" as root
[16-Dec-2010 13:33:49] <rmatte> then locate "MIBNAME"
[16-Dec-2010 13:34:01] <rmatte> if there is a temp file, good chance it'll be named like that
[16-Dec-2010 13:34:13] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, i did that except with 'find' ... no dice
[16-Dec-2010 13:34:14] <rmatte> replace mibname with the name of the actual mib obviously
[16-Dec-2010 13:34:24] <rmatte> ah, locate is quicker than find hehe
[16-Dec-2010 13:42:58] <tehhobbit> rmatte: any chance to debug stuff like this futher with dmd http://pastie.org/1383072
[16-Dec-2010 13:43:30] <rmatte> tehhobbit: not sure about that one
[16-Dec-2010 13:45:02] <tehhobbit> kinda itching to have a regular sql db at times like this
[16-Dec-2010 13:45:07] <rmatte> weird
[16-Dec-2010 13:45:16] <rmatte> it looks like it's trying to link a route to an interface
[16-Dec-2010 13:45:17] <tehhobbit> but thats prolly just because I'm more used to it
[16-Dec-2010 13:45:18] <rmatte> or something
[16-Dec-2010 13:45:28] <tehhobbit> being noob always makes you long stuff you know
[16-Dec-2010 13:45:52] <rmatte> lol
[16-Dec-2010 13:46:03] <rmatte> when are you seeing that error?
[16-Dec-2010 13:46:05] <tehhobbit> yes there are some hearth beat nets and stuff inside the vmware env that arent routed
[16-Dec-2010 13:46:11] <rmatte> an error message is useless without context
[16-Dec-2010 13:46:25] <tehhobbit> getting the error on the guest tab for the esx template
[16-Dec-2010 13:46:49] <tehhobbit> basicly get a 500 and that in event.log
[16-Dec-2010 13:46:55] <rmatte> is that ericenn's pack?
[16-Dec-2010 13:48:05] <rmatte> ?
[16-Dec-2010 13:48:35] <tehhobbit> yes
[16-Dec-2010 13:48:55] <rmatte> he just just added interface support
[16-Dec-2010 13:49:01] <rmatte> so it's probably a bug in the pack
[16-Dec-2010 13:49:15] <rmatte> I doubt it's your actual Zenoss instance
[16-Dec-2010 13:49:54] <tehhobbit> no I was thinking if was the guests that dont have routes that messed up (so not a bug rather something you havent taken into account)
[16-Dec-2010 13:50:16] <rmatte> It doesn't gather anything from the guests except for performance data (memory, cpu)
[16-Dec-2010 13:50:16] <tehhobbit> we have a few nets that online excist between vmware instances (mostly dev test envs)
[16-Dec-2010 13:50:39] <tehhobbit> no but the vmware hosts have virt switches with those nets
[16-Dec-2010 13:50:51] <rmatte> k, report it to ericenns
[16-Dec-2010 13:53:39] <joko> NO
[16-Dec-2010 13:54:15] <rmatte> hmmm, anyone good with python... how do I set a string variable and have it treat the entire string as actual characters without having to put in escape characters?
[16-Dec-2010 13:57:28] <tehhobbit> oh reminds me, for transforms do I still have to import re ?
[16-Dec-2010 13:57:42] <tehhobbit> (if I want regexps that is)
[16-Dec-2010 13:58:08] <tehhobbit> not that good with python yet so most of my work looks like translated shellscripts
[16-Dec-2010 14:02:24] <rmatte> yes
[16-Dec-2010 14:02:26] <joko> i've been dabbling in python, i'd really love to learn it fully
[16-Dec-2010 14:02:35] <rmatte> I actually figured out an alternative so I'm good
[16-Dec-2010 14:02:43] <rmatte> I'm just using re.search to match a different part of the string
[16-Dec-2010 14:03:08] <tehhobbit> so no import
[16-Dec-2010 14:03:49] <tehhobbit> coming from ruby the python namespaces in import confuses me some
[16-Dec-2010 14:04:23] <tehhobbit> need to experiment futher with import 'module' vs from module import *
[16-Dec-2010 14:05:19] <rmatte> import re
[16-Dec-2010 14:05:39] <rmatte> and yes you do in transforms
[16-Dec-2010 14:08:34] joko is now known as joko2
[16-Dec-2010 14:08:52] <joko2> w t j
[16-Dec-2010 14:09:32] <tehhobbit> rmatte: ok
[16-Dec-2010 14:09:48] <tehhobbit> so transforms run as a script of thier own
[16-Dec-2010 14:10:28] <rmatte> yes
[16-Dec-2010 14:10:36] <tehhobbit> mmo updated, back to my real life
[16-Dec-2010 14:10:36] <rmatte> though they have dmd and evt pre-imported
[16-Dec-2010 14:10:38] <tehhobbit> 
[16-Dec-2010 14:10:38] <joko2> im not a fan of "transforms" term
[16-Dec-2010 14:10:44] <rmatte> as well as device
[16-Dec-2010 14:10:52] <rmatte> you can access event properties via evt.whatever
[16-Dec-2010 14:11:00] <rmatte> device properties via device.whatever
[16-Dec-2010 14:11:07] <rmatte> and dmd properties via dmd.whatever
[16-Dec-2010 14:11:25] <rmatte> I like the transforms term
[16-Dec-2010 14:11:31] <joko2> 
[16-Dec-2010 14:11:33] <rmatte> since their primary function is to transform events
[16-Dec-2010 14:11:43] <joko2> well, i guess im just not familiar with them
[16-Dec-2010 14:12:20] <joko2> i think the first time i heard that term was from either a forum reply by you or matt ray
[16-Dec-2010 14:13:14] <tehhobbit> rmatte: can they be extended to do more ?
[16-Dec-2010 14:14:32] <csabo> I copied the needed DVDs to my machine for the ITM install rmatte
[16-Dec-2010 14:14:36] <csabo> total folder size: 33.9GB
[16-Dec-2010 14:14:39] <rmatte> I just noticed something
[16-Dec-2010 14:14:49] <rmatte> there is no longer any reference at all to Zenoss Core at zenoss.com
[16-Dec-2010 14:14:56] <csabo> really?
[16-Dec-2010 14:15:09] <rmatte> there used to be links to it, but I can't find any
[16-Dec-2010 14:15:19] <csabo> same
[16-Dec-2010 14:15:24] <csabo> ah
[16-Dec-2010 14:15:28] <csabo> Community home, upper right hand corner
[16-Dec-2010 14:15:39] <rmatte> ah, that's a bit hidden
[16-Dec-2010 14:15:51] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: did the free version lose the 'core' name?
[16-Dec-2010 14:16:00] <csabo> rmatte 33.9GB !!
[16-Dec-2010 14:16:15] <rmatte> lol
[16-Dec-2010 14:16:18] <rmatte> that's nuts
[16-Dec-2010 14:27:21] <joko2> lawl
[16-Dec-2010 14:27:40] <joko2> my problem earlier regarding WinServices was related to the fact that it was a clustered application
[16-Dec-2010 14:27:54] <joko2> blasphemy
[16-Dec-2010 14:31:32] <joko2> monitoring clustered services seems to be a pain
[16-Dec-2010 14:33:51] <rmatte> ah
[16-Dec-2010 14:34:02] <rmatte> well, that's a WMI limitation if anything
[16-Dec-2010 14:34:27] <mray> man, 127 megabytes for the stack installer is a pain for downloading to a VM multiple times
[16-Dec-2010 14:34:38] <joko2> yea
[16-Dec-2010 14:34:46] * mray is testing automating Zenoss deployments
[16-Dec-2010 14:36:15] <rmatte> lol
[16-Dec-2010 14:36:17] <rmatte> nice
[16-Dec-2010 14:37:23] <mray> my plan is to keep working on the Zenoss cookbook for Chef.  zenoss::server first, then zenoss::client, then zenoss::distributedcollector 
[16-Dec-2010 14:39:06] <joko2> Chef?
[16-Dec-2010 14:39:07] <mray> I had to write a bit of logic around the unsigned apt repo, but when I test it in the future I assume I can copy the .deb into some apt directory to skip the download again
[16-Dec-2010 14:39:09] <mray> yeah
[16-Dec-2010 14:41:42] <joko2> I would enjoy a cookbook
[16-Dec-2010 14:42:01] <joko2> have to wade through a lot of iffy info to find good solutions
[16-Dec-2010 14:42:15] <mray> joko2: https://github.com/mattray/cookbooks/tree/master/zenoss
[16-Dec-2010 14:42:33] <mray> if this pans out, I may have some good stuff to upload in a bit
[16-Dec-2010 14:43:08] <joko2> awesome
[16-Dec-2010 14:43:16] <joko2> 
[16-Dec-2010 14:45:41] <rmatte> bigegor: I'm in the process of implementing that volume filesystem monitoring that I had mentioned
[16-Dec-2010 14:45:51] <rmatte> I have the modelling working, just sorting out the polling now
[16-Dec-2010 14:45:55] <rmatte> quick question...
[16-Dec-2010 14:46:10] <rmatte> Win32_PerfRawData_PerfDisk_LogicalDisk.Name="${here/id}"
[16-Dec-2010 14:46:17] <rmatte> is that some function that you coded that you're calling on?
[16-Dec-2010 14:46:25] <rmatte> or will that work for any WMI class?
[16-Dec-2010 14:46:59] <rmatte> aha!
[16-Dec-2010 14:47:04] <rmatte> I just got utilization working
[16-Dec-2010 14:47:23] <rmatte> now I just need to get the Win32_PerfRawData_PerfDisk_LogicalDisk graphs populating
[16-Dec-2010 14:48:35] <bigegor> hi, Win32_PerfRawData_PerfDisk_LogicalDisk is WMI class. What do you means by 'any WMI class'?
[16-Dec-2010 14:49:24] <rmatte> nah, I was thinking about it wrong, I finally got the disk utilization datapoint working so I understand now
[16-Dec-2010 14:49:46] <bigegor> cool
[16-Dec-2010 14:50:29] <rmatte> for some reason this isn't working...
[16-Dec-2010 14:50:30] <rmatte> Win32_PerfRawData_PerfDisk_LogicalDisk.Name="${here/mount}"
[16-Dec-2010 14:50:46] <rmatte> even though I have the mount names matching identically what the Name value is
[16-Dec-2010 14:51:10] <rmatte> This works: Win32_Volume.Name="${here/mount}"
[16-Dec-2010 14:51:29] <rmatte> well, actually it's: Win32_Volume.Name="${here/mount}\"
[16-Dec-2010 14:51:36] <rmatte> since Volume has \ after the names
[16-Dec-2010 14:51:44] <rmatte> and Win32_PerfRawData_PerfDisk_LogicalDisk doesn't
[16-Dec-2010 14:52:56] <bigegor> you can use M$ WMI studio to get exact instance name ( _PATH attribute)
[16-Dec-2010 14:55:07] <rmatte> I'm an idiot, forgot to click Save after changing that one WQL Queue
[16-Dec-2010 14:55:30] <rmatte> should work now
[16-Dec-2010 14:55:41] * rmatte tests
[16-Dec-2010 14:56:06] <rmatte> I'll send you the code and the changes that I made to the templates when I'm done
[16-Dec-2010 14:56:27] <rmatte> bingo, that did it
[16-Dec-2010 14:56:38] <rmatte> going to leave it for a bit and make sure everything is good
[16-Dec-2010 14:59:03] lemma_ is now known as lemma
[16-Dec-2010 15:02:52] <davetoo> *sigh*
[16-Dec-2010 15:03:25] <davetoo> How the heck does one add the 0.0.0.0/0 block to Networks, in order to set zProperties for all IP4 space?
[16-Dec-2010 15:06:32] <davetoo> grr
[16-Dec-2010 15:07:10] <Sam-I-Am> what happens if you try to add it?
[16-Dec-2010 15:07:35] <davetoo> says bad netmask
[16-Dec-2010 15:07:53] <Sam-I-Am> i got it from adding  device with a default route
[16-Dec-2010 15:07:59] <Sam-I-Am> er, adding a device
[16-Dec-2010 15:08:06] <Sam-I-Am> stupid fingers
[16-Dec-2010 15:08:11] <davetoo> yeah,
[16-Dec-2010 15:08:37] <davetoo> Maybe there's another way; I just need to disable autodiscovery by default before starting zenoss.
[16-Dec-2010 15:08:47] <davetoo> I'm gonna try the ZMI 
[16-Dec-2010 15:10:27] <davetoo> hah, it worked 
[16-Dec-2010 15:10:53] <davetoo> Now if I can save it to my "base" zenpack and it loads OK, I'm golden.
[16-Dec-2010 15:12:13] <ericenns> rmatte: so I got it figured out to not collect data if the guest is down
[16-Dec-2010 15:13:14] <davetoo> I can't see how to add dmd/Networks to a zenpack, though.
[16-Dec-2010 15:13:43] <rmatte> ericenns: nice
[16-Dec-2010 15:14:15] <ericenns> yup what I had been doing was just kill collection now I just return no values
[16-Dec-2010 15:15:08] <rmatte> cool
[16-Dec-2010 15:23:11] <rhettardo> i was having the funky alerting issues
[16-Dec-2010 15:23:31] <rhettardo> i guess they're snmp related since the devices set to ignore are not being ignored
[16-Dec-2010 15:24:31] <rmatte> bigegor: http://oi54.tinypic.com/8vukau.jpg
[16-Dec-2010 15:24:42] <rmatte> that's what I've added
[16-Dec-2010 15:24:55] <rmatte> collects data from Volume instead of LogicalDisk
[16-Dec-2010 15:25:37] <bigegor> interesting
[16-Dec-2010 15:25:51] <rmatte> 
[16-Dec-2010 15:26:03] <rmatte> Apparently even the enterprise WMI doesn't do that
[16-Dec-2010 15:29:06] <joko2> hmm
[16-Dec-2010 15:41:32] * Sam-I-Am is getting the stupid zenrender heartbeat failure again
[16-Dec-2010 15:43:39] <joko2> heartbeats are srs buiznez
[16-Dec-2010 15:43:53] <Sam-I-Am> interesting that zenrender isnt even listed as a valid process on the localhost collector
[16-Dec-2010 15:44:00] <Sam-I-Am> but its fine on the remote collectors
[16-Dec-2010 15:44:09] <rmatte> what do you mean by "valid process"?
[16-Dec-2010 15:44:51] <Sam-I-Am> its not in the list
[16-Dec-2010 15:54:56] <ericenns> rmatte: updated the VMwareDataSource zenpack
[16-Dec-2010 15:55:11] <rmatte> cool
[16-Dec-2010 15:55:18] <ericenns> servlet/JiveServlet/download/10242-5-3400/ZenPacks.community.VMwareDataSource-1.1.2.egg.zip
[16-Dec-2010 15:56:58] <rmatte> cool, I'll grab it in a few, just wrapping up this volume monitoring that I'm working on
[16-Dec-2010 15:57:06] <ericenns> ok no rush lol
[16-Dec-2010 15:57:27] <ericenns> thanks again for the suggestions
[16-Dec-2010 15:57:32] <rmatte> np
[16-Dec-2010 15:57:47] <rmatte> so the next thing is all the LUN, and such info I guess
[16-Dec-2010 15:58:23] <ericenns> no I still need to do a ui rewrite to show guest up down status
[16-Dec-2010 15:58:28] <rmatte> ah
[16-Dec-2010 15:58:45] <ericenns> I wish I would be done that lol not yet though
[16-Dec-2010 15:58:54] <rmatte> yeh
[16-Dec-2010 16:03:54] * ericenns see y'all tommorow
[16-Dec-2010 16:05:22] <Sam-I-Am> later
[16-Dec-2010 16:07:52] <Sam-I-Am> sometimes i dont understand the mib system in zenoss
[16-Dec-2010 16:08:02] <rmatte> lol
[16-Dec-2010 16:09:07] <rmatte> bigegor: the changes I made are working perfectly, I'm going to email them to you now and hopefully you can include them in the next update
[16-Dec-2010 16:09:22] <bigegor> ok
[16-Dec-2010 16:10:20] <rmatte> (if you could do an update to the 2.5 version as well it would be appreciated :))
[16-Dec-2010 16:10:26] <Sam-I-Am> so zenoss clearly has this trap in the mib/oid list
[16-Dec-2010 16:10:28] <bigegor> i' working now on Oracle Monitoring Zenpack
[16-Dec-2010 16:10:32] <Sam-I-Am> however, its still not translating it
[16-Dec-2010 16:10:35] <rmatte> cool
[16-Dec-2010 16:10:48] <Sam-I-Am> i wonder if this has anything to do with collector-hub junk
[16-Dec-2010 16:10:52] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: did you restart Zenoss after installing the Mib?
[16-Dec-2010 16:11:01] <rmatte> if not, that's your problem
[16-Dec-2010 16:11:34] <Sam-I-Am> oh, didnt know it required a restart
[16-Dec-2010 16:11:46] <Sam-I-Am> just about everything seems to though
[16-Dec-2010 16:11:54] <rmatte> yup
[16-Dec-2010 16:12:08] <rmatte> I had forgotten about that at some point and figured it out again
[16-Dec-2010 16:12:30] <Sam-I-Am> sweet
[16-Dec-2010 16:12:45] <rmatte> bigegor: what email address should I send this to?
[16-Dec-2010 16:12:56] <Sam-I-Am> entirely restart or just a piece?
[16-Dec-2010 16:13:26] <rmatte> I restart the whole thing, but I suspect it's just zope that needs to be restarted
[16-Dec-2010 16:13:42] <rmatte> though whenever I restart zope 9 out of 10 times Zenoss completely stops works (interface-wise)
[16-Dec-2010 16:13:45] <rmatte> so I just do full restarts
[16-Dec-2010 16:13:55] <rmatte> stops working*
[16-Dec-2010 16:14:23] <Sam-I-Am> weird
[16-Dec-2010 16:15:33] <bigegor> rmatte: old one
[16-Dec-2010 16:16:25] <rmatte> can you privmsg me the address please?
[16-Dec-2010 16:19:11] <bigegor> rmatte: check email
[16-Dec-2010 16:19:29] <rmatte> yup, just saw it, and just sent the email to you
[16-Dec-2010 16:19:32] <rmatte> let me know what you think
[16-Dec-2010 16:19:48] <rmatte> ah crap
[16-Dec-2010 16:19:52] <rmatte> forgot to attach the file lol
[16-Dec-2010 16:20:33] <rmatte> there, I re-sent it with the file attached
[16-Dec-2010 16:23:10] <sergeymasushko> can someone guide me with zendmd. I need to bulk update of datasources in some template.
[16-Dec-2010 16:23:48] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: explain in more details?
[16-Dec-2010 16:23:53] <rmatte> detail*
[16-Dec-2010 16:27:02] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: hello. glad to see you. you told me about such an operation a lot of time ago. I have about 100 datasources which currently has not set checkobox "Enabled". Here is what I tried: http://fpaste.org/Kpy4/
[16-Dec-2010 16:28:18] <rmatte> t.getObject() for brain in templates... that doesn't look like it could possibly work
[16-Dec-2010 16:28:39] <rmatte> you should be using a for loop
[16-Dec-2010 16:28:48] <sergeymasushko> yes
[16-Dec-2010 16:29:06] <rmatte> give me a minute
[16-Dec-2010 16:29:12] <sergeymasushko> here is what I did earlier...
[16-Dec-2010 16:29:23] <mray> well… it takes 30 minutes but I now have Zenoss installing with Chef: https://gist.github.com/744048
[16-Dec-2010 16:29:30] <davetoo> I wish dmd.Networks came with a default 0.0.0.0/0 block.  I like heirarchy 
[16-Dec-2010 16:29:33] <rmatte> 30 minutes?
[16-Dec-2010 16:29:47] <rmatte> should only take like 15 lol, but I guess the download is the long bit
[16-Dec-2010 16:29:49] <mray> download and install the .deb on VMware Fusion
[16-Dec-2010 16:29:52] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: http://fpaste.org/O686/
[16-Dec-2010 16:30:32] <rmatte> ok
[16-Dec-2010 16:33:44] <rmatte> well first off t isn't defined in that, so that's not going to work
[16-Dec-2010 16:33:49] <rmatte> give me a few to adjust this
[16-Dec-2010 16:33:53] <Sam-I-Am> meh, restarting the hub didnt fix the trap issue
[16-Dec-2010 16:34:43] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: where did you even get this code from?
[16-Dec-2010 16:34:51] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: you're sure it's coming in with the exact same OID?
[16-Dec-2010 16:34:57] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[16-Dec-2010 16:35:01] <rmatte> Zenoss has been known to strip 0s off of stuff sometimes
[16-Dec-2010 16:35:10] <Sam-I-Am> looks ok to me..
[16-Dec-2010 16:35:18] <rmatte> when you look at the Mib in Mibs
[16-Dec-2010 16:35:22] <rmatte> how many nodes are listed?
[16-Dec-2010 16:36:15] <Sam-I-Am> 0 nodes, 117 notifications
[16-Dec-2010 16:36:21] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: let me check the history....
[16-Dec-2010 16:36:25] <Sam-I-Am> the latter i thought being traps
[16-Dec-2010 16:37:11] <rmatte> hmmmm k
[16-Dec-2010 16:37:23] <rmatte> when you click on it you actually see objects?
[16-Dec-2010 16:37:24] <Sam-I-Am> 1.3.6.1.4.1.1991.0.1202 is how i see it in the mib, and also the event.
[16-Dec-2010 16:37:28] <Sam-I-Am> sure
[16-Dec-2010 16:37:30] <rmatte> k
[16-Dec-2010 16:37:38] <rmatte> so you restarted all of Zenoss?
[16-Dec-2010 16:37:52] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, and for kicks i just restarted the collector
[16-Dec-2010 16:38:21] <rmatte> oh, yeh, didn't realize you had a collector type setup
[16-Dec-2010 16:38:31] <Sam-I-Am> didnt think the collector knew much about the mibs
[16-Dec-2010 16:38:34] <rmatte> that would make sense that it needs to be restarted
[16-Dec-2010 16:38:43] <rmatte> the collector is connected directly to zenhub on the master
[16-Dec-2010 16:39:00] <rmatte> It's aware of everything on the master
[16-Dec-2010 16:39:49] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: I need to work on something for a bit, so I don't have time to mess around with this
[16-Dec-2010 16:40:07] <sergeymasushko> rmatte:  mrchippy provided this code.
[16-Dec-2010 16:40:16] <sergeymasushko> and it worked... ^)
[16-Dec-2010 16:40:17] <rmatte> doing mass template mods like this is one of the most painful things to figure out in zendmd
[16-Dec-2010 16:40:29] <rmatte> I just tried the code myself and it didn't,
[16-Dec-2010 16:40:34] <rmatte> so you're possibly missing some code
[16-Dec-2010 16:40:35] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: ok, thanks will dig dipper...
[16-Dec-2010 16:40:37] <Sam-I-Am> guess i'll wait for the next trap to see if it decodes after restarting the collector
[16-Dec-2010 16:40:44] <rmatte> I mean, where does t get set?
[16-Dec-2010 16:40:49] <rmatte> or is templates supposed to be t?
[16-Dec-2010 16:40:58] <rmatte> I tried changing templates to t and then the second line errors out
[16-Dec-2010 16:41:02] <rmatte> you're missing stuff
[16-Dec-2010 16:41:23] <sergeymasushko> it was along time ago... probably zendmd structure was different.
[16-Dec-2010 16:41:24] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: I think it will
[16-Dec-2010 16:41:31] <rmatte> possibly
[16-Dec-2010 16:44:33] <davetoo> hmm; so I created a 'base' zenpack with the handful of zProperty overrides I need (custom default snmp community, default snmp versions in a couple of places); some of those changes were all the way up at /Devices, so I had to add /Devices to the zenpack.
[16-Dec-2010 16:44:50] <davetoo> Now my zenpack replicates the entire default organizer tree.  Every single organizer.
[16-Dec-2010 16:45:03] <rmatte> meaning you lose all your devices?
[16-Dec-2010 16:45:15] <davetoo> I had no devices loaded yet,
[16-Dec-2010 16:45:47] <davetoo> not sure if it will interfere with things or not.  I'd run into this a few times before, I'd just forgotten about it.
[16-Dec-2010 16:45:48] <mray> anyone recall the file that signals that an install is new?  I want to skip the new install wizard
[16-Dec-2010 16:46:08] <davetoo> .fresh_install but I forget where it iss
[16-Dec-2010 16:46:54] <mray> thanks!
[16-Dec-2010 16:47:15] <davetoo> FRESH_INSTALL=${ZENHOME}/.fresh_install
[16-Dec-2010 16:48:08] <davetoo> google gave me Paul's sandbox
[16-Dec-2010 16:48:16] <davetoo> how funny
[16-Dec-2010 16:48:35] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: k, I have a second to help you, is this a device template?
[16-Dec-2010 16:50:54] <rmatte> SPLIIIIIT!
[16-Dec-2010 16:51:49] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: you there?
[16-Dec-2010 16:51:56] <rmatte> I have working code that does what you're asking
[16-Dec-2010 16:53:08] * rmatte yawns
[16-Dec-2010 16:53:30] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/Yenk/raw/
[16-Dec-2010 16:54:30] <rmatte> It'll only work for device templates though, not for stuff like interfaces, disks, etc...
[16-Dec-2010 16:54:34] <rmatte> Replace Devicename and Templatename with appropriate values (it has to be a template bound to a device)
[16-Dec-2010 16:54:41] <rmatte> and don't forget to commit() afterwards
[16-Dec-2010 16:55:41] <rmatte> goddamnit
[16-Dec-2010 16:57:42] <rmatte> holy bad timing for a netsplit
[16-Dec-2010 16:57:45] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: you there?
[16-Dec-2010 16:57:58] <rmatte> [04:46pm] -> (sergeymasushko) Here's the code you want: http://fpaste.org/Yenk/raw/
[16-Dec-2010 16:57:58] <rmatte> [04:47pm] -> (sergeymasushko) It'll only work for device templates though, not for stuff like interfaces, disks, etc...
[16-Dec-2010 16:57:58] <rmatte> [04:47pm] -> (sergeymasushko) Replace Devicename and Templatename with appropriate values (it has to be a template bound to a device)
[16-Dec-2010 16:58:03] <rmatte> [04:47pm] -> (sergeymasushko) and don't forget to commit() afterwards
[16-Dec-2010 16:58:57] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: ???
[16-Dec-2010 16:59:15] <rmatte> I want to know whether you got the info I just sent so that I can go do other things
[16-Dec-2010 16:59:31] <davetoo> heh
[16-Dec-2010 16:59:41] <rmatte> I hate when people ask for help then vanish
[16-Dec-2010 16:59:44] <davetoo> IRC ~~ UDP
[16-Dec-2010 16:59:55] <rmatte> lol
[16-Dec-2010 16:59:59] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[16-Dec-2010 17:00:01] <rmatte> yeh, IRC can be a bit unstable
[16-Dec-2010 17:00:12] <Sam-I-Am> fire and forget!
[16-Dec-2010 17:00:28] <rmatte> more like: fire in the hole!
[16-Dec-2010 17:00:38] <davetoo> I think there might be something bigger going on;
[16-Dec-2010 17:00:46] <davetoo> I lost some of my IM connections as well
[16-Dec-2010 17:00:51] <davetoo> some still wont' come back
[16-Dec-2010 17:00:52] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: so the key was... restart collectors too
[16-Dec-2010 17:00:59] <rmatte> yeh, some people dropped off instead of splitting too
[16-Dec-2010 17:01:05] <rmatte> it looks like something internet-wide
[16-Dec-2010 17:01:14] <sergeymasushko> did goole.com just die?
[16-Dec-2010 17:01:14] <Sam-I-Am> someone clogged the tubes
[16-Dec-2010 17:01:18] * Sam-I-Am grabs his plunger
[16-Dec-2010 17:01:18] <rmatte> ah wow, yeh
[16-Dec-2010 17:01:19] <davetoo> somebody's redistributing their IGP again 
[16-Dec-2010 17:01:24] <rmatte> we just lost connectivity to our biggest client
[16-Dec-2010 17:01:27] <rmatte> which never happens
[16-Dec-2010 17:01:37] <Sam-I-Am> things seem to be fine here
[16-Dec-2010 17:01:45] <rmatte> actually, to a shit-ton of clients
[16-Dec-2010 17:02:06] <rmatte> ah nope sorry, just the 1
[16-Dec-2010 17:02:11] <rmatte> but they have links all over the world
[16-Dec-2010 17:02:51] <davetoo> I can't get back into AIM
[16-Dec-2010 17:03:06] <Sam-I-Am> aim seems ok here
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[16-Dec-2010 17:05:50] <rmatte> hmmm, I still can't hit that client
[16-Dec-2010 17:06:31] <rmatte> ah, just regained connectivity
[16-Dec-2010 17:07:19] <sergeymasushko> looks like google's name servers are messed up / not responding
[16-Dec-2010 17:09:07] <rmatte> nice
[16-Dec-2010 17:09:34] <sergeymasushko> it looks ok now.
[16-Dec-2010 17:09:47] <rmatte> yeh, everything just came back for me too
[16-Dec-2010 17:14:20] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: re code you provided: http://fpaste.org/dhOC/
[16-Dec-2010 17:15:53] <rmatte> hmmmm, the firefox addon pages are screwed right now
[16-Dec-2010 17:16:09] <rmatte> oh nevermind, their menu alignment just sucks
[16-Dec-2010 17:24:57] <mray> anyone know if it's more/less efficient to make multiple REST calls to add a device or to use zenbatchload?
[16-Dec-2010 17:25:13] <rmatte> doubt there's much of a difference
[16-Dec-2010 17:25:19] <rmatte> if any
[16-Dec-2010 17:25:21] <mray> I seem to remember zenbatchload spreads the load a bit
[16-Dec-2010 17:25:34] <mray> I'd hate to DOS my own Zenoss server pushing in 1000 devices 1 at a time
[16-Dec-2010 17:25:55] <davetoo> Does the current zenbatchload version use zenjobs?
[16-Dec-2010 17:25:56] <rmatte> I doubt you'd DOS it...
[16-Dec-2010 17:26:02] <rmatte> why not add them without modelling them?
[16-Dec-2010 17:26:06] <rmatte> there's an option to do that
[16-Dec-2010 17:26:15] <rmatte> then once they are added, run zenmodel
[16-Dec-2010 17:26:29] <mray> rmatte: yeah, then you'd be modeling 1000 devices
[16-Dec-2010 17:26:33] <rmatte> that way they all get added in instantly
[16-Dec-2010 17:26:42] <rmatte> right, but zenmodel spreads the load pretty well
[16-Dec-2010 17:26:54] <rmatte> I mean, it runs regularly by default
[16-Dec-2010 17:27:16] <rmatte> and it's not like it's doing any more collection on an initial model than it does on it's scheduled runs
[16-Dec-2010 17:28:00] <rmatte> I also have a script you could use... you just have to provide it with a txt files with the device IPs or hostnames line by line and run it
[16-Dec-2010 17:28:06] <rmatte> and it'll model the devices one at a time
[16-Dec-2010 17:29:01] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: so what can you tell about my last paste?
[16-Dec-2010 17:29:15] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: I pasted a bunch of stuff for you
[16-Dec-2010 17:29:23] <rmatte> oh
[16-Dec-2010 17:29:26] <rmatte> didn't see you respond
[16-Dec-2010 17:29:49] <rmatte> mray: http://fpaste.org/FaUw/raw/
[16-Dec-2010 17:30:04] <rmatte> save as .sh file, chmod +x it, then run it like ./script.sh file.txt
[16-Dec-2010 17:30:43] <rmatte> it's because you didn't put a space before the s.enabled line
[16-Dec-2010 17:30:49] <rmatte> indentation is very important in python
[16-Dec-2010 17:30:54] <rmatte> it's how it determines it's structure
[16-Dec-2010 17:30:56] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: I see
[16-Dec-2010 17:31:06] <rmatte> don't forget to commit() afterwards
[16-Dec-2010 17:33:50] <mray> zenbatchload might be nice since I can use it to set zproperties, modelers and create device classes
[16-Dec-2010 17:34:14] <rmatte> the problem with that is that it sets the zProperty locally on each device
[16-Dec-2010 17:34:28] <mray> no, you can set them on device classes with zenbatchload
[16-Dec-2010 17:34:31] <rmatte> I remember having to go through one of my server and remove tons of locally set properties by hand from a batch load script that I was using
[16-Dec-2010 17:34:35] <rmatte> ah ok
[16-Dec-2010 17:34:48] <mray> here's an example I used before
[16-Dec-2010 17:35:23] <mray> https://gist.github.com/744135
[16-Dec-2010 17:35:25] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: thanks it works... looks like I missed it first time... really strange...
[16-Dec-2010 17:35:34] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: np
[16-Dec-2010 17:36:16] <rmatte> mray: cool
[16-Dec-2010 17:57:16] <bigegor_> Oracle Monitor ZenPack https://github.com/epuzanov/ZenPacks.community.OracleMon
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[16-Dec-2010 17:59:08] <davetoo> bigegor probably knows this answer: 
[16-Dec-2010 17:59:19] <rmatte> ?
[16-Dec-2010 17:59:22] <bigegor> ???
[16-Dec-2010 17:59:27] <davetoo> What is the "supported" way to customize zProperties that can't be placed in a zenpack?
[16-Dec-2010 17:59:36] <davetoo> For example,
[16-Dec-2010 18:00:02] <davetoo> I need to make sure that dmd.Networks.zAutoDiscover is False (and is not overridden at that level)
[16-Dec-2010 18:00:38] <davetoo> In the past, I put them in a json structure and hacked them in with custom python
[16-Dec-2010 18:01:15] <davetoo> I wonder if it can be done via the zope objects.xml import method
[16-Dec-2010 18:01:20] <rmatte> I don't quite understand the "that can't be placed in a ZenPack" part
[16-Dec-2010 18:01:50] <davetoo>  /Devices organizers can be added to a zenpack
[16-Dec-2010 18:01:58] <davetoo>  /Networks can't, as far as I can tell
[16-Dec-2010 18:02:13] <rmatte> oh, I see what you mean
[16-Dec-2010 18:03:13] <davetoo> If I  were just doing this for my own project I'd keep using my json loader, but for this client I want to find a/the "supported" method.
[16-Dec-2010 18:03:26] <davetoo> I've asked this question  before... about 1 year and 2 years ago
[16-Dec-2010 18:03:51] <bigegor> davetoo: dc = app.zport.dmd.Devices.getOrganizer('Network')
[16-Dec-2010 18:03:56] <davetoo> fact when I had an Enterprise license I asked a couple of times
[16-Dec-2010 18:04:03] <davetoo> they didn't know 
[16-Dec-2010 18:04:23] <davetoo> no, not that one
[16-Dec-2010 18:04:29] <bigegor> if not hasattr(aq_base(dc), '.zAutoDiscover')
[16-Dec-2010 18:04:31] <davetoo> app.zport.dmd.Networks
[16-Dec-2010 18:04:46] <davetoo> Not network devices,
[16-Dec-2010 18:04:51] <davetoo> the actual IP networks themselves
[16-Dec-2010 18:05:07] <davetoo> but that aq_base gives me a clue 
[16-Dec-2010 18:06:08] <davetoo> wow, it's easier than that
[16-Dec-2010 18:06:16] <bigegor> davetoo: check __init__.py from WMIPoerf_Windows ZenPack
[16-Dec-2010 18:06:30] <davetoo> In [20]: app.zport.dmd.Networks.aqBaseHasAttr('zAutoDiscover')
[16-Dec-2010 18:06:30] <davetoo> Out[20]: True
[16-Dec-2010 18:07:00] <davetoo> bigegor: ok,
[16-Dec-2010 18:07:20] <bigegor> but app.zport.dmd.Networks.aqBaseHasAttr('zAutoDiscover') looks beter 
[16-Dec-2010 18:09:20] <davetoo> What somebody told me a couple of years ago (80% chance it was Chet   was that I could subclass ZenPackLoader in the top __init__.py and extend that with my own methods
[16-Dec-2010 18:10:06] <davetoo> I have a better understanding now of Zope properties/acquisitions so I can try that again
[16-Dec-2010 18:10:36] <davetoo> but the customer is going to ask me whether it's "supported" or not 
[16-Dec-2010 20:10:25] <sergeymasushko> is there a way to limit length of subject of the alerts sent by zenoss or edit by a regexp?
[16-Dec-2010 20:18:22] <tehhobbit> I bet
[16-Dec-2010 20:18:37] <tehhobbit> as in pls post on forums
[16-Dec-2010 20:19:01] <tehhobbit> Ibet you are struggling with windows event log
[16-Dec-2010 20:30:52] <ericenns_> hmm where do I create a template in zenoss 2.5.x
[16-Dec-2010 21:04:04] <Sam-I-Am> same place you would go to bind/delete/move one i think
[16-Dec-2010 21:05:01] <ericenns_> I am so used to 3 where there is a template tav
[16-Dec-2010 21:05:03] <ericenns_> tab
[16-Dec-2010 21:05:16] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[16-Dec-2010 21:05:21] * Sam-I-Am is all about 2 lately
[16-Dec-2010 21:05:57] <ericenns_> I am doing VSphere development on 2.5
[16-Dec-2010 21:06:09] <Sam-I-Am> mmm
[16-Dec-2010 21:06:27] <Sam-I-Am> the sysmin here hasnt gotten to putting his vm stuff into zenoss yet
[16-Dec-2010 21:06:36] <Sam-I-Am> hopefully soon so he can test those goodies you're doing
[16-Dec-2010 21:06:50] <ericenns_> yup since some of you guys are all for 2.5 I might as well start upgrading in 2.5 then make sure it works in 3
[16-Dec-2010 21:07:28] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[16-Dec-2010 21:07:48] <Sam-I-Am> i suspect i'll start testing 3 more next summer
[16-Dec-2010 21:08:10] <ericenns_> I use 3 in production and am liking it
[16-Dec-2010 21:08:34] <ericenns_> I do have a smaller server base to monitor though
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[17-Dec-2010 03:01:56] <Weetos> Hey there - Just wondering : I'm currently evaluating Core 3.0.3 from stack and I found two faulty features so far, nothing big, but maybe some of you guys may shed some light on this : When adding 'Prod State' to the available fields in the event console, you can't filter events on this
[17-Dec-2010 03:03:00] <Weetos> can't remember the second thing - should have written it down ;P
[17-Dec-2010 03:03:42] <Weetos> oh yes, you can't shift multiselect events using Chrome
[17-Dec-2010 03:04:01] <fragfutter> chrome is not officially supported
[17-Dec-2010 03:04:44] <Weetos> well I know that, but just discovered it doesn't seem to work in FF3.6 either
[17-Dec-2010 03:06:31] <fragfutter> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/6959
[17-Dec-2010 03:06:52] <fragfutter> fixed in 3.0.4 (not released yet)
[17-Dec-2010 03:07:34] <Weetos> thanks fragfutter, it seems I can apply a patch though
[17-Dec-2010 03:08:10] <Weetos> Do you think is it safe to apply it now, or do I have to wait for 3.0.4 ?
[17-Dec-2010 03:08:47] <fragfutter> i would wait. It's a minor issue for me
[17-Dec-2010 03:09:21] <Weetos> ok - I can live without as well
[17-Dec-2010 03:10:03] <Weetos> Regarding the first issue, I'll check if there is a ticket
[17-Dec-2010 03:10:33] <Weetos> if there's not, What is the procedure ?
[17-Dec-2010 03:11:03] <fragfutter> make a ticket 
[17-Dec-2010 03:11:34] <fragfutter> use username/password zenoss/zenoss and create a new ticket
[17-Dec-2010 03:12:22] <Weetos> haha ok - thanks 
[17-Dec-2010 03:14:08] <fragfutter> here is your bug http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7643
[17-Dec-2010 03:14:55] <Weetos> you beat me to it 
[17-Dec-2010 03:15:48] <Weetos> ok so I hope this going to be assigned soon and fixed in the upcoming release
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[17-Dec-2010 03:39:20] <zykes-> has anyone written an api library for the json thing ?
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[17-Dec-2010 04:13:17] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
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[17-Dec-2010 07:44:49] <kokey> hmmm
[17-Dec-2010 07:44:55] <kokey> damn being ill for over a week
[17-Dec-2010 07:45:02] <kokey> now i can't remember what i wanted to do in zenoss
[17-Dec-2010 08:03:09] <kokey> ah ok
[17-Dec-2010 08:07:25] <csabo> morn
[17-Dec-2010 08:19:44] <ericenns> morning
[17-Dec-2010 08:21:08] <csabo> eric sup man
[17-Dec-2010 08:22:27] <ericenns> not much just found out I pretty much need to rewrite portions of my zenpack to extend its functionality
[17-Dec-2010 08:50:41] <rmatte> good morning all (and afternoon for some)
[17-Dec-2010 08:52:45] <ericenns> morning
[17-Dec-2010 08:53:21] <fragfutter> merry christmas and happy new year
[17-Dec-2010 08:53:35] <fragfutter> (in case i don't see you 
[17-Dec-2010 08:53:40] <rmatte> yeh, I really need to get my christmas shopping done
[17-Dec-2010 08:53:44] <rmatte> lol
[17-Dec-2010 08:53:53] <ericenns> I just finished yesterday
[17-Dec-2010 08:53:58] <rmatte> nice
[17-Dec-2010 08:54:16] <rmatte> I always leave it until the last minute when it's not so much shopping as a contact sport
[17-Dec-2010 08:54:34] <ericenns> haha I love barging my way through lol
[17-Dec-2010 08:54:39] <rmatte> lol
[17-Dec-2010 08:55:27] <ericenns> I was at walmart yesterday and all the stereos where on to some crappy hiphop teenager station out here so I turned all there volume controls to zero
[17-Dec-2010 09:01:54] <ericenns> yay my test python class is working
[17-Dec-2010 09:02:12] <rmatte> woot
[17-Dec-2010 09:02:54] <ericenns> I gotta remember to setup vpn at home tonight so I can work on my zenpacks this weekend
[17-Dec-2010 09:09:24] <rmatte> 
[17-Dec-2010 09:09:55] <ericenns> Yup I am going to start to do the big rewrite
[17-Dec-2010 09:10:27] <rmatte> cool
[17-Dec-2010 09:10:37] <rmatte> I'm working on coding a MUD this weekend
[17-Dec-2010 09:10:49] <rmatte> (text based rpg)
[17-Dec-2010 09:11:00] <ericenns> oh I see fun stuff
[17-Dec-2010 09:11:14] <rmatte> yeh, it's a project that I have going with a few people from the US and the UK
[17-Dec-2010 09:12:16] <rmatte> another guy originally coded the engine and whatever is done of the game so far, but he's lost interest and doesn't have time to finish it
[17-Dec-2010 09:12:28] <rmatte> so I sweet talked my way in to getting the sourcecode
[17-Dec-2010 09:12:31] <rmatte> lol
[17-Dec-2010 09:12:40] <rmatte> it's pretty crazy the amount of coding that he's done
[17-Dec-2010 09:12:50] <rmatte> he coded his own compiler/language for the mud itself
[17-Dec-2010 09:12:56] <ericenns> ok cool, I got another open source project I was working on but haven't touched it in months
[17-Dec-2010 09:13:03] <rmatte> which is that?
[17-Dec-2010 09:13:20] <rmatte> (this MUD isn't open source, the coders own the rights to the code, but it'll be free to play)
[17-Dec-2010 09:14:09] <ericenns> basically it is a web app which lets you share one scanner, so you use your web browser to use a scanner, I added adf functionality to it and was updating the ui
[17-Dec-2010 09:14:33] <rmatte> cool
[17-Dec-2010 09:14:40] <rmatte> very neat
[17-Dec-2010 09:15:32] <ericenns> yup at the moment I don't really have a ubuntu machine setup, but I do want to finish it, in the scanner app it also converts scans to text
[17-Dec-2010 09:19:53] <Sam-I-Am> morning folks
[17-Dec-2010 09:20:12] <Sam-I-Am> sotired.
[17-Dec-2010 09:20:15] <ericenns> morning
[17-Dec-2010 09:20:31] <Sam-I-Am> its been cloudy for about a week here
[17-Dec-2010 09:20:40] <Sam-I-Am> taking a toll on my sanity
[17-Dec-2010 09:34:10] <rmatte> grrrr, zenrender, why must you be such a pain in my ass
[17-Dec-2010 09:36:14] <joko2> is there any easy trick to monitoring interfaces so they will give an alert?
[17-Dec-2010 09:37:13] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: yes!
[17-Dec-2010 09:38:52] <rmatte> joko2: when they go down you mean?
[17-Dec-2010 09:39:05] <joko2> yes sir
[17-Dec-2010 09:39:07] <Sam-I-Am> i need to get some event transforms going so interface traps get decoded to the interface number or name
[17-Dec-2010 09:39:12] <rmatte> joko2: docs/DOC-2494
[17-Dec-2010 09:39:22] <joko2> gracias 
[17-Dec-2010 09:39:42] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: not difficult to do
[17-Dec-2010 09:39:50] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: zenrender choking on something and giving you strange errors?
[17-Dec-2010 09:40:02] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: The aggregate report graphs...
[17-Dec-2010 09:40:12] <Sam-I-Am> the same problem from a few weeks ago?
[17-Dec-2010 09:40:17] <rmatte> I can generate an aggregate report network graph on every one of my Zenoss servers except for one
[17-Dec-2010 09:40:20] <rmatte> yeh, exact same problem
[17-Dec-2010 09:40:23] <rmatte> haven't figured it out yet
[17-Dec-2010 09:40:24] <Sam-I-Am> thats weird
[17-Dec-2010 09:40:39] <rmatte> It's always showing 0 instead of what it should be
[17-Dec-2010 09:42:03] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[17-Dec-2010 09:57:46] <joko2> interesting, an aggregate report network graph, i've been thinking about that myself
[17-Dec-2010 09:58:28] <joko2> would be cool to be able to hone in on switch interfaces that have the most traffic going through them too
[17-Dec-2010 10:01:01] <rmatte> interesting
[17-Dec-2010 10:01:08] <rmatte> so I just found out why the graph is always showing as 0
[17-Dec-2010 10:01:20] <rmatte> I dissected the actual script that generates the graph... it collects the data by doing...
[17-Dec-2010 10:01:41] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/MxtP/
[17-Dec-2010 10:01:49] <rmatte> so I tried that in zope, it only returns 2 interfaces
[17-Dec-2010 10:02:03] <rmatte> and they both have 0 bytes going through them since they are loopbacks
[17-Dec-2010 10:02:03] <Sam-I-Am> hmm
[17-Dec-2010 10:02:12] <rmatte> so now I just need to figure out why it's only returning those 2 interfaces
[17-Dec-2010 10:08:19] <rmatte> ah, I think I see why
[17-Dec-2010 10:08:25] <rmatte> it's actually a flaw in the script
[17-Dec-2010 10:09:07] <rmatte> the 64bit templates have ifHCInOctets instead of ifInOctets
[17-Dec-2010 10:09:17] <rmatte> the script doesn't take that in to account
[17-Dec-2010 10:10:29] <Sam-I-Am> why are the others working?
[17-Dec-2010 10:10:50] <rmatte> because I have more devices on them and some of those devices have 32bit templates
[17-Dec-2010 10:10:56] <Sam-I-Am> ah
[17-Dec-2010 10:11:00] <rmatte> it just so happens that this 1 particular server is mostly 64bit templates
[17-Dec-2010 10:11:04] <rmatte> so the issue was more noticeable
[17-Dec-2010 10:11:13] <Sam-I-Am> i find the template selected automagically sometimes isnt correct
[17-Dec-2010 10:11:55] <rmatte> tends to work fine for me
[17-Dec-2010 10:12:15] <rmatte> either way, I need to add something to the script to fix this
[17-Dec-2010 10:12:19] <Sam-I-Am> i think its only been an issue on my cisco stuff... sometimes zenoss picks a 64-bit template when the interfaces are really only 32-bit
[17-Dec-2010 10:19:56] <rmatte> ah
[17-Dec-2010 10:36:36] <rmatte> there, I changed all of the datasources/datapoint names in the 64bit template then ran a script to rename all the RRDs
[17-Dec-2010 10:36:42] <rmatte> and now the graph generates
[17-Dec-2010 10:36:55] <rmatte> pain in the ass because now I have to do it for the other servers too (15 others)
[17-Dec-2010 10:37:35] <Sam-I-Am> fun times
[17-Dec-2010 10:39:26] <rmatte> yup
[17-Dec-2010 10:39:52] <rmatte> I have to go in to ZMI to actually rename the datapoint under the datasources since it's hidden for SNMP datasources
[17-Dec-2010 10:39:53] <rmatte> lol
[17-Dec-2010 10:40:57] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, i've had to do that
[17-Dec-2010 10:46:00] <Sam-I-Am> i'd still like to figure out which bug keeps me from copying templates into the pre-created /device/network/cisco tree
[17-Dec-2010 10:46:17] <Sam-I-Am> the folks at zenoss confirmed the issue and told me to use zmi (which i was already doing) but its still weird
[17-Dec-2010 10:48:03] <rmatte> all templates?
[17-Dec-2010 10:48:31] <Sam-I-Am> anything i want to copy into /device/network/cisco ... the entire tree doesnt show up in the list of validtargets
[17-Dec-2010 10:48:34] <rmatte> what kind of error do you get when copying them?
[17-Dec-2010 10:48:39] <rmatte> oh
[17-Dec-2010 10:48:54] <rmatte> have you tried actually typing "Cisco" in to the dropdown field?
[17-Dec-2010 10:49:00] <rmatte> (I assume you're using 3.0)
[17-Dec-2010 10:49:03] <Sam-I-Am> 2.5.2
[17-Dec-2010 10:49:06] <rmatte> oh
[17-Dec-2010 10:49:08] <rmatte> that's really weird
[17-Dec-2010 10:49:32] <Sam-I-Am> yeah
[17-Dec-2010 10:49:33] <rmatte> I don't recall there ever being a /Device/Network/Cisco
[17-Dec-2010 10:49:46] <rmatte> there's a /Devices/Network/Router/Cisco
[17-Dec-2010 10:49:51] <rmatte> which is the default path
[17-Dec-2010 10:50:03] <rmatte> if you have /Devices/Network/Cisco you would have had to have created that yourself
[17-Dec-2010 10:50:40] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, i never had a /devices/network/router/cisco
[17-Dec-2010 10:50:48] <Sam-I-Am> i think one of the zenpacks did this
[17-Dec-2010 10:51:27] <rmatte> I never had any cisco ZenPacks when I originally installed Zenoss
[17-Dec-2010 10:51:38] <rmatte> and I distinctly remember there being /Devices/Network/Router/Cisco
[17-Dec-2010 10:51:50] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, i do too... except not in this install
[17-Dec-2010 10:51:51] <rmatte> you're using enterprise though are you not?
[17-Dec-2010 10:51:53] <Sam-I-Am> yes
[17-Dec-2010 10:51:58] <rmatte> then that's probably why
[17-Dec-2010 10:51:59] <Sam-I-Am> stupid enterprise...
[17-Dec-2010 10:52:09] <rmatte> I'm used to Core
[17-Dec-2010 10:52:21] <rmatte> but they have all their fancy shmancy Cisco monitoring stuff by default in enterprise
[17-Dec-2010 10:52:22] <Sam-I-Am> i'm not totally convinced i need enterprise
[17-Dec-2010 10:52:24] <rmatte> I had to build all of mine
[17-Dec-2010 10:52:25] <rmatte> hehe
[17-Dec-2010 10:52:30] <Sam-I-Am> i wind up rebuilding it anyway
[17-Dec-2010 10:52:37] <Sam-I-Am> strip out all the crap i dont need
[17-Dec-2010 10:52:37] <rmatte> hehe
[17-Dec-2010 10:53:01] <rmatte> I wish I had enterprise here, would make life much easier
[17-Dec-2010 10:53:02] <rmatte> lol
[17-Dec-2010 10:53:09] <rmatte> but the pricing is crazy
[17-Dec-2010 10:53:11] <Sam-I-Am> well, in that case, i LOVE enterprise 
[17-Dec-2010 10:53:19] <rmatte> we don't have a fixed set of devices, we constantly get more and more
[17-Dec-2010 10:53:23] <rmatte> so we'd need an MSP license
[17-Dec-2010 10:53:27] <Sam-I-Am> i work for a non-profit, so its not nearly as expensive
[17-Dec-2010 10:53:27] <rmatte> which would be muchos expensive
[17-Dec-2010 10:53:34] <rmatte> we're already barely breaking even
[17-Dec-2010 10:53:47] <rmatte> ah
[17-Dec-2010 10:54:09] <rmatte> they should offer unlimited licenses with no support for $10,000/year
[17-Dec-2010 10:54:16] <rmatte> if they did I'd scoop it up in 2 seconds
[17-Dec-2010 10:55:22] <Sam-I-Am> i should open a ticket on this zenrender heartbeat issue
[17-Dec-2010 10:55:55] <rmatte> ?
[17-Dec-2010 10:56:00] <rmatte> heartbeat issue?
[17-Dec-2010 11:06:05] <Sam-I-Am> yeah
[17-Dec-2010 11:06:14] <Sam-I-Am> heartbeat failure for zenrender on the hub
[17-Dec-2010 11:08:34] <rmatte> ah
[17-Dec-2010 11:08:42] <rmatte> I get heartbeat failures for all sorts of daemons
[17-Dec-2010 11:08:47] <rmatte> heartbeat events are useless
[17-Dec-2010 11:08:50] <rmatte> I just ignore them
[17-Dec-2010 11:09:21] <Sam-I-Am> that also works 
[17-Dec-2010 11:17:16] <Weetos> just wondering, why heartbeats won't clear themselves ?
[17-Dec-2010 11:18:54] <rmatte> they should clear themselves if the event does actually clear
[17-Dec-2010 11:19:08] <rmatte> if it's not clearing eventually then you probably have an actual problem
[17-Dec-2010 11:19:16] <rmatte> or the hardware that you're running Zenoss on is way too slow
[17-Dec-2010 11:19:48] <Weetos> that's what I thought, does it have to do with the fact my zenoss box isn't named 'localhost'
[17-Dec-2010 11:19:49] <Weetos> ?
[17-Dec-2010 11:26:00] <rmatte> mo
[17-Dec-2010 11:26:02] <rmatte> no*
[17-Dec-2010 11:26:08] <rmatte> none of my zenoss boxes are named localhost
[17-Dec-2010 11:26:14] <rmatte> but I still have a localhost entry in the hosts file
[17-Dec-2010 11:26:18] <rmatte> which is pretty standard to have
[17-Dec-2010 11:26:35] <rmatte> linked to the loopback
[17-Dec-2010 11:27:14] <rmatte> 127.0.0.1       localhost
[17-Dec-2010 11:27:15] <rmatte> 30.30.241.100   lab01.novanoc.com lab01
[17-Dec-2010 11:27:17] <rmatte> like that
[17-Dec-2010 11:36:08] <Weetos> yep that's what I have too
[17-Dec-2010 11:38:54] <joko2> if i move a device to a different class, does it re-model itself upon moving?
[17-Dec-2010 11:41:26] <rmatte> no
[17-Dec-2010 11:41:30] <rmatte> you need to remodel it
[17-Dec-2010 11:41:55] <joko2> ah, too bad
[17-Dec-2010 11:46:13] <joko2> i wish i could mass re-model devicex
[17-Dec-2010 11:46:14] <joko2> i wish i could mass re-model devices
[17-Dec-2010 11:47:05] <joko2> going through 253 servers individually sounds painful
[17-Dec-2010 11:47:33] <Sam-I-Am> you can, with a command
[17-Dec-2010 11:47:41] <joko2> interesting
[17-Dec-2010 11:48:19] <joko2> zenmodeler
[17-Dec-2010 11:51:48] <joko2> zenmodeler run -p /Devices/Server/Windows
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[17-Dec-2010 12:08:22] <rmatte> yeh, that'll do it
[17-Dec-2010 12:20:22] <joko> hmm
[17-Dec-2010 12:20:33] * joko waits for 250 devices to be remodeled
[17-Dec-2010 12:21:10] <joko> if i was really OCD this organization would probably put me over the edge
[17-Dec-2010 12:24:00] <Sam-I-Am> trying to figure out groups/systems/locations here is hard if you're OCD
[17-Dec-2010 12:24:20] <Sam-I-Am> theres just too many logical ways to group things that make sense in some ways, but are incompatible with each other
[17-Dec-2010 12:51:58] <joko> true that sam
[17-Dec-2010 13:08:44] <joko> hmmmm
[17-Dec-2010 13:34:48] <tiredofme_> i've got a device that I can SNMPwalk from the zenoss server but I can't model it
[17-Dec-2010 13:34:51] <tiredofme_> SNMP always times out
[17-Dec-2010 13:35:06] <tiredofme_> I've tweaked the max OID requests and the timeout settings to no avail
[17-Dec-2010 13:35:13] <tiredofme_> has anyone ever seen something like this?
[17-Dec-2010 13:35:30] <xuru> hey guys
[17-Dec-2010 13:36:40] <joko> tiredofme_: do you have the correct SNMP info in the zProperties? community, vers?
[17-Dec-2010 13:36:49] <xuru> quick question...  how can I debug the httpmonitor?  I set it up but there are no graphs
[17-Dec-2010 13:36:57] <tiredofme_> joko: yep the information is consistent
[17-Dec-2010 13:37:10] <joko> hmm
[17-Dec-2010 13:37:20] <joko> in the past i've ran tcpdumps or wiresharks to debug
[17-Dec-2010 13:37:41] <joko> the SNMP issue that is
[17-Dec-2010 13:37:41] <tiredofme_> joko: i'm trying to model it from the console right now. the box is heavily firewalled, i'm wondering if that has something to do with it
[17-Dec-2010 13:38:05] <joko> very possible, if your at all familiar with packet captures, i'd try that
[17-Dec-2010 13:38:08] <xuru> joko: I meant debugging the httpmonitor template
[17-Dec-2010 13:38:22] <xuru> doesn't seem like it's doing anything
[17-Dec-2010 13:38:40] <joko> xuru: yeah, it's been awhile since i looked into that
[17-Dec-2010 13:39:00] <joko> lunch calls...
[17-Dec-2010 13:39:02] <joko> bbl
[17-Dec-2010 13:39:09] <tiredofme_> joko: i think that did it. The device is only authorized to accept SNMP connections from the zenoss remote collector. I believe that during the modeling process on the webui, the IP of the main hub was being used for some reason
[17-Dec-2010 13:39:09] <xuru> joko: thanks though
[17-Dec-2010 13:39:28] <tiredofme_> joko: modeling from the command prompt seemed to take care of the issue. thanks for your assistance
[17-Dec-2010 13:50:37] <xuru> is there a way to force an update on a httpmonitor?  like running zenmodeler on a device...  or will modeling it do it?
[17-Dec-2010 13:59:08] <rmatte> xuru: httpmonitor is just gathering data with a datasource
[17-Dec-2010 13:59:12] <rmatte> there is no modelling involved
[17-Dec-2010 13:59:17] <rmatte> so I don't quite follow
[17-Dec-2010 14:02:02] <xuru> I think I found one of the problems...  check_http wasn't on the path
[17-Dec-2010 14:02:28] <xuru> what process runs the command so I can see the log output, etc...
[17-Dec-2010 14:04:12] <rmatte> zencommand
[17-Dec-2010 14:06:34] <xuru> is there a way to monitor an internal web site?  for example, we have a data entry site at kap.kingcompanies.com, but that is in our DNS as the ip 192.168.0.45, and I already have that device added as appserver01.kingcompanies.com
[17-Dec-2010 14:06:58] <xuru> so the device appserver01 can monitor the http service, but no the specific url
[17-Dec-2010 14:07:29] <xuru> we've had cases where the web app has gone away, or is stuck so to speak
[17-Dec-2010 14:16:50] <joko> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17-Dec-2010 14:32:35] <xuru> so, anyone know how I can monitor an internal website based on the content it displays?
[17-Dec-2010 14:33:08] <Sam-I-Am> probably have to write something to parse it
[17-Dec-2010 14:34:13] <xuru> yeah, I suppose I could right up a python script to fetch it and do a regex on it
[17-Dec-2010 14:37:05] <xuru> looks like the check_http app can do that
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[17-Dec-2010 15:02:14] <joko> xuru: maybe /usr/local/zenoss/common/libexec/check_http would work?
[17-Dec-2010 15:02:16] <joko> oh
[17-Dec-2010 15:02:17] <joko> der
[17-Dec-2010 15:02:29] <joko> didn't read that last sentence
[17-Dec-2010 15:03:13] <joko> check_tcp is lovely
[17-Dec-2010 15:04:28] <xuru> joko: yeah, I linked that to /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/libexec so zenoss would find it
[17-Dec-2010 15:04:40] <joko> yea, thats a tad annoying
[17-Dec-2010 15:04:50] <joko> but easily fixed
[17-Dec-2010 15:05:05] <xuru> hmm... still no graphs though
[17-Dec-2010 15:05:49] <joko> the httpmonitor zenpack you mean?
[17-Dec-2010 15:05:54] <xuru> yeah
[17-Dec-2010 15:08:01] <joko> hmm, i have that installed and a webserver setup for it, but i never put much effort into it... checking it out now since im bored tho
[17-Dec-2010 15:09:52] <xuru> 
[17-Dec-2010 15:10:28] <joko> off hand i know my setup is funky, because the server doesn't resolve correctly internally
[17-Dec-2010 15:15:04] <joko> im not sure with httpmonitor, but i wonder if it uses the hostname or IP
[17-Dec-2010 15:15:20] <joko> the IP resolves entirely differently for me internally
[17-Dec-2010 15:20:03] * joko bangs his head on the keyboard
[17-Dec-2010 15:29:07] * xuru nods
[17-Dec-2010 15:59:16] <joko> for the love of pete
[17-Dec-2010 16:04:21] <ericenns> so I think my server plug may have come in the mail
[17-Dec-2010 16:05:09] <ericenns> guess I'll find out when I get home though
[17-Dec-2010 16:14:10] <}dec3pti0n{> ok I think there is something wierd .. I have delete 100s of devices and zenoss is still alerting snmp for them ... I have restarted zenoss and also cleared the mysql table and they kepp coming back
[17-Dec-2010 16:14:20] <rmatte> ericenns: nice
[17-Dec-2010 16:14:37] <ericenns> yeah but unfornationaly $26 of custom fees
[17-Dec-2010 16:15:25] <ericenns> if it is the server that means no zenpack development this weekend unless I can install zenoss on it lol
[17-Dec-2010 16:16:06] <rmatte> shipped via UPS I take it?
[17-Dec-2010 16:16:19] <ericenns> FEDEX
[17-Dec-2010 16:16:21] <rmatte> always ship USPS, almost never any customs fees
[17-Dec-2010 16:16:33] <rmatte> UPS and FEDEX are garbage for cross-border shipping
[17-Dec-2010 16:16:57] <ericenns> wasn't my choice
[17-Dec-2010 16:17:02] <rmatte> lame
[17-Dec-2010 16:17:03] <rmatte> lol
[17-Dec-2010 16:17:15] <ericenns> yeah I usually always get usps, I never even got a shipping notice
[17-Dec-2010 16:19:52] <rmatte> weird
[17-Dec-2010 16:20:14] * ericenns weekend time later
[17-Dec-2010 16:20:27] <joko> i want to go home
[17-Dec-2010 16:50:18] <davetoo> Is there a recipe/cookbook for using egor's Distributed Collector pack?
[17-Dec-2010 16:50:42] <davetoo> There seems to be several other steps that one must perform manually
[17-Dec-2010 16:51:19] <davetoo> I've seen some comment threads but if those have been condensed into a current HOWTO, I'd rather find that 
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[17-Dec-2010 16:52:10] <rmatte> davetoo: look in the comments on the ZenPack page
[17-Dec-2010 16:52:15] <rmatte> I posted links and steps for most of it
[17-Dec-2010 16:52:20] <rmatte> haven't typed anything up formally yet
[17-Dec-2010 16:52:28] <davetoo> ok.
[17-Dec-2010 16:52:59] <davetoo> Can the ssh environment problem be fixed by sourcing .bashrc from .profile?  And/or does sshd_config still have to be touched?
[17-Dec-2010 16:54:39] <rmatte> sshd.config has to be touched
[17-Dec-2010 16:54:40] <davetoo> docs/DOC-2496  from that doc?
[17-Dec-2010 16:54:42] <rmatte> to allow env variables
[17-Dec-2010 16:54:59] <rmatte> by default env variables are disabled for remote command execution
[17-Dec-2010 16:55:19] <davetoo> ok so it's not simply a matter of using the wrong init files (interactive vs. non-interactive logins)
[17-Dec-2010 16:57:15] <davetoo> What about the zeo.conf access control comments?
[17-Dec-2010 16:57:53] <davetoo> oh, that's not really access control, that's socket binding
[17-Dec-2010 17:08:41] <rmatte> yeh
[17-Dec-2010 17:14:17] <ericenns__> rmatte: I got the uk version ugh
[17-Dec-2010 17:15:46] <rmatte> lol
[17-Dec-2010 17:15:54] <rmatte> that blows
[17-Dec-2010 17:16:03] <rmatte> sending it back or going to buy an adapter?
[17-Dec-2010 17:16:17] <ericenns__> I don't know
[17-Dec-2010 17:16:54] <rmatte> I'd send it back as "warranty" and then have them send it to you as "warranty" so you don't end up paying brokerage fees again
[17-Dec-2010 17:17:29] <ericenns__> that will probably cost as much as an adapter though I may have a cable that will work with it though
[17-Dec-2010 17:17:35] <ericenns__> if it is that easy
[17-Dec-2010 17:17:38] <ericenns__> probably not though
[17-Dec-2010 17:17:43] <rmatte> It probably is
[17-Dec-2010 17:18:03] <mray> sweet, automatically installing ZenPacks via Chef now
[17-Dec-2010 17:18:04] <ericenns__> it says it is
[17-Dec-2010 17:18:11] <rmatte> mray: nice
[17-Dec-2010 17:18:25] <mray> can't quite set the password for the admin yet
[17-Dec-2010 17:18:32] <mray> zenpass is resisting scripting
[17-Dec-2010 17:18:40] <rmatte> ericenns: it doesn't have the plug build in to it, it uses an adapter?
[17-Dec-2010 17:18:45] <rmatte> built*
[17-Dec-2010 17:19:07] <ericenns__> it has snap on pieces
[17-Dec-2010 17:19:19] <rmatte> mray: just use twill to actually login and set it via the web interface
[17-Dec-2010 17:19:25] <rmatte> >:)
[17-Dec-2010 17:19:34] <mray> sounds like a recipe for failure
[17-Dec-2010 17:19:37] <rmatte> ah, cool
[17-Dec-2010 17:19:41] <rmatte> mray: could be
[17-Dec-2010 17:19:43] <mray> I'm trying to skip the startup wizard
[17-Dec-2010 17:19:53] * rmatte nods
[17-Dec-2010 17:19:54] <mray> and just add a user and set admin programatically
[17-Dec-2010 17:20:12] <mray> zenpass doesn't actually use it's own arguments
[17-Dec-2010 17:20:20] * mray feels the need to go open a bug
[17-Dec-2010 17:20:25] <rmatte> grin
[17-Dec-2010 17:20:43] <rmatte> (sorry, was coding a mud and I'm still in mud mode)
[17-Dec-2010 17:20:53] * rmatte grins
[17-Dec-2010 17:20:54] <mray> I may have to make a direct Python call 
[17-Dec-2010 17:21:00] <rmatte> hmmm
[17-Dec-2010 17:21:11] <rmatte> can't write a zendmd script to do it?
[17-Dec-2010 17:21:19] <mray> hmmm… good idea
[17-Dec-2010 17:21:37] <rmatte> app.acl_users.userManager.updateUserPassword('admin', 'newPassword')
[17-Dec-2010 17:21:37] <rmatte> commit()
[17-Dec-2010 17:21:42] <rmatte> there you are
[17-Dec-2010 17:21:47] <mray> you're the man!
[17-Dec-2010 17:21:49] <rmatte> a bit of modification to that and you're flyin
[17-Dec-2010 17:21:53] <rmatte> 
[17-Dec-2010 17:22:14] <mray> zendmd > CLI tools >> Python calls directly
[17-Dec-2010 17:22:22] <rmatte> yeh
[17-Dec-2010 17:22:24] <rmatte> for sure
[17-Dec-2010 17:22:29] <rmatte> zendmd is godly
[17-Dec-2010 17:23:07] <mray> and now I'm wondering if I should put a provider wrapper around zendmd for future re-use
[17-Dec-2010 17:23:28] <mray> I just added a provider for Chef for installing/removing ZenPacks
[17-Dec-2010 17:23:30] <rmatte> might be an idea
[17-Dec-2010 17:27:13] <ericenns__> phew found a power cable that works
[17-Dec-2010 17:27:28] <ericenns__> probably woundn't have ever plugged it directly into the wall ever anyways
[17-Dec-2010 17:28:51] <rmatte> lol
[17-Dec-2010 17:28:59] <rmatte> nice
[17-Dec-2010 17:29:12] <rmatte> well gents, it is most definitely bar time for me
[17-Dec-2010 17:29:13] <rmatte> ttyl
[17-Dec-2010 17:30:40] <bigegor> hi
[17-Dec-2010 17:31:42] <bigegor> rmatte: please test: https://github.com/epuzanov/ZenPacks.community.WMIPerf_Windows
[17-Dec-2010 17:31:55] <Sam-I-Am> mmm, bar time
[17-Dec-2010 17:42:47] <ericenns__> do I try installing zenoss on this guru server plug
[17-Dec-2010 18:54:36] <SEJeff_work> What is the best way to shrink the size of the mysql database for zenoss?
[17-Dec-2010 18:55:21] <SEJeff_work> I tried /opt/zenoss/Products/ZenUtils/ZenDeleteHistory.py --numDays=15, but it didn't shrink the size of the mysql database for zenoss
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[18-Dec-2010 17:30:01] <orioni> hi there , is there a way to export to a PNG/JPG the network map ?
[18-Dec-2010 17:36:17] <orioni> any help/idea ?
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[19-Dec-2010 14:23:33] <Blitz__> hey guys, I just discovered zenoss ... and this tool seems amazing ! how i did without it !
[19-Dec-2010 14:24:19] <Blitz__> but I am wondering on which server I am gonna to install it ... I have two servers (one for the db and the otehr one for tomcat/nginx and memcached)
[19-Dec-2010 14:25:00] <Blitz__> I would to monitor and have alert on all those services ... without over loading my prod environment
[19-Dec-2010 14:26:04] <Blitz__> my tomcat server is low in memory but always idle in term of cpu consomation, my db server have 1 Go of free memory and can be at 50% of cpu comsomation from time to time
[19-Dec-2010 14:26:52] <Blitz__> On which server I install zenoss ? or do i have to invest in another server in order to not overload those two ?
[19-Dec-2010 14:41:50] <davetoo> How many systems do you want to monitor?
[19-Dec-2010 14:47:55] <davetoo> I don't think I've ever heard of anybody who is *not* running Zenoss on a server dedicated to monitoring or even just Zenoss.   RRDTool (the measurement data storage) is very disk-intensive, and the strategy is to have enough RAM for most/all of the RRD files to be cached in memory.  (Perhaps that's no longer the case, since Zenoss version 3 uses RRDCache)
[19-Dec-2010 16:31:36] * rmatte2 yawns
[19-Dec-2010 17:05:50] <zykes-> has anyone worked on expanding the json api example library ?
[19-Dec-2010 17:32:28] <davetoo> The only programmatic stuff I've done (beyond shell scripts using WGET) has all been with the zendmd libraries on the server itself.
[19-Dec-2010 17:33:41] <Parabola> i wrote a zenpack to monitor my deathstar
[19-Dec-2010 17:33:47] <Parabola> and the current rebel scum activities
[19-Dec-2010 17:34:00] <davetoo> heh
[19-Dec-2010 17:35:03] <zykes-> i meant the JSON api library example with python
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[20-Dec-2010 04:14:03] * Simon4 needs a nocturnal npmccallum 
[20-Dec-2010 06:18:05] <kokey> is there an easy way to list the event transforms i've made?
[20-Dec-2010 06:18:29] <Simon4> kokey: there's a report - can't remember if it's part of a zenpack or not
[20-Dec-2010 06:18:49] <kokey> because after a few i don't seem to be able to keep track of where i've made them before
[20-Dec-2010 06:18:56] <Simon4> yeah
[20-Dec-2010 06:19:36] <Simon4> ZenPacks.sodonnell.TransformReport
[20-Dec-2010 06:19:44] <Simon4> provides "All Event Transforms" report
[20-Dec-2010 06:19:50] <kokey> nice
[20-Dec-2010 06:23:04] <kokey> blah our vending machine at work has no drinks left
[20-Dec-2010 06:34:34] <kokey> Link to http://pypi.python.org/simple/ZenPacks.sodonnell.TransformReport/ ***BLOCKED*** by --allow-hosts
[20-Dec-2010 06:35:48] <kokey> not that there's anything at that url anyway
[20-Dec-2010 06:36:04] <Simon4> how were you trying to install that?
[20-Dec-2010 06:37:54] <kokey> i tried the interface first
[20-Dec-2010 06:38:05] <kokey> then tried zenpack --install
[20-Dec-2010 06:38:12] <Simon4> on the .egg ?
[20-Dec-2010 06:38:19] <kokey> first on the zip
[20-Dec-2010 06:38:21] <kokey> then on the egg
[20-Dec-2010 06:38:30] <Simon4> oh, you're on v3 yeah?
[20-Dec-2010 06:38:33] <kokey> yeah
[20-Dec-2010 06:38:50] <Simon4> rename the .egg to remove the py-2.4 bit if it's there
[20-Dec-2010 06:39:50] <kokey> ah, cool, looks promising
[20-Dec-2010 06:40:19] <kokey> excellent
[20-Dec-2010 06:42:06] <kokey> gosh there's a lot of event transforms i got with the HP plugins
[20-Dec-2010 06:42:57] <kokey> ok this is strange
[20-Dec-2010 06:43:06] <kokey> it's got all the transforms except the ones i made
[20-Dec-2010 06:52:34] <kokey> is there a log file where transforms end up in?
[20-Dec-2010 06:52:54] <Simon4> exceptions from transforms end up in zenhub.log
[20-Dec-2010 06:53:05] <Simon4> and you can import logging in a transform to output stuff there also
[20-Dec-2010 06:55:52] <kokey> 2010-12-20 11:55:35,255 ERROR zen.Events: list index out of range
[20-Dec-2010 07:13:19] <kokey> hmmmm
[20-Dec-2010 07:13:26] <kokey> would help if i put a == in
[20-Dec-2010 07:16:07] * Simon4 is writing architecture docs today, boring as hell
[20-Dec-2010 07:19:02] <kokey> i'm back at the office for the first time in a long time
[20-Dec-2010 07:19:06] <kokey> i've been quite ill
[20-Dec-2010 07:21:21] <Simon4> crappy :/
[20-Dec-2010 07:21:30] <Simon4> I went down heavily with 'flu or something on thursday, today's my first day out of bed, and I'm working from home today as I'm not 100%
[20-Dec-2010 07:21:40] <Simon4> we lost another guy to the same thing last week as well
[20-Dec-2010 07:36:09] <kokey> i was hardcore ill it sucked
[20-Dec-2010 07:36:17] <kokey> proper man flu or something
[20-Dec-2010 07:36:24] <kokey> snotty nose, coughing, fever
[20-Dec-2010 07:36:43] <kokey> i still cough and sneeze stuff and have a funny taste in my mouth, but i'm fine otherwise
[20-Dec-2010 07:37:03] <Simon4> yeah
[20-Dec-2010 07:37:04] <Simon4> that thing
[20-Dec-2010 07:37:11] <Simon4> how long were you down for?
[20-Dec-2010 07:53:34] <kokey> mine started to kick in on thursday 16 december
[20-Dec-2010 07:53:56] <kokey> i mean it kicked in on 9 december
[20-Dec-2010 07:54:05] <kokey> i started working from home on 16 december
[20-Dec-2010 07:54:08] <Simon4> oof, ouch
[20-Dec-2010 07:54:24] <kokey> so it knocked me over for over a week really
[20-Dec-2010 07:54:26] * Simon4 counts himself lucky then
[20-Dec-2010 07:54:40] <kokey> however, i did try to gibraltar over the weekend to see the gf
[20-Dec-2010 07:54:55] <kokey> i think that must have made me ill for 2 more days at least
[20-Dec-2010 07:55:03] <kokey> try=fly
[20-Dec-2010 07:55:17] <kokey> i just ate lots of cold & flu caps and got onto the flights
[20-Dec-2010 07:55:17] <Simon4> well done on getting in and out of  London over the weekend 
[20-Dec-2010 07:55:34] <kokey> that was last weekend, this weekend i just stayed at home
[20-Dec-2010 07:55:40] <Simon4> ah right
[20-Dec-2010 07:56:11] <Simon4> hmm, food time I think
[20-Dec-2010 07:56:26] <Simon4> given there's some sun outside I might even venture out
[20-Dec-2010 08:00:28] <kokey> flightradar24's coverage of southern spain is slowly getting better
[20-Dec-2010 08:00:36] <kokey> but still not good enough to find my gf much of the time
[20-Dec-2010 08:01:23] * Simon4 is off to Lanzerote on thurs all going well
[20-Dec-2010 08:01:43] <kokey> nice
[20-Dec-2010 08:01:51] <kokey> i'm going to leicester, hehe
[20-Dec-2010 08:09:15] <Simon4> I did Norwich last year to see the family
[20-Dec-2010 08:09:20] <Simon4> this year we wanted sun 
[20-Dec-2010 08:10:12] <Simon4> right ----> lunch
[20-Dec-2010 08:15:15] <kokey> hmmm
[20-Dec-2010 08:15:26] <kokey> i wonder where i can mess with the modeler plugins
[20-Dec-2010 08:38:38] <npmccallum> yawn
[20-Dec-2010 08:40:08] <npmccallum> Simon4: morning
[20-Dec-2010 08:40:21] <ericenns_> morning
[20-Dec-2010 08:48:25] <npmccallum> ericenns_: morning
[20-Dec-2010 09:13:12] * Simon4 returns
[20-Dec-2010 09:13:22] <Simon4> morning npmccallum  you got mail
[20-Dec-2010 09:29:43] <danuvius> hello 0/
[20-Dec-2010 09:33:41] <npmccallum> Simon4: yeah, I saw
[20-Dec-2010 10:04:17] <Sam-I-Am> morning
[20-Dec-2010 10:06:25] <kokey> morning
[20-Dec-2010 10:35:22] <davetoo> hmm
[20-Dec-2010 10:37:02] <davetoo> Looking at some of my Perl code from a couple of years ago.  Baffling 
[20-Dec-2010 10:37:50] <Sam-I-Am> does it remind you of line noise on a modem?
[20-Dec-2010 10:38:15] <davetoo> No, I try to be very explicit with Perl.
[20-Dec-2010 10:38:26] <davetoo> I just don't remember a lot of the Idioms
[20-Dec-2010 10:38:59] <Sam-I-Am> i find it too easy to code garbage in perl
[20-Dec-2010 10:39:11] <davetoo> anyway a former co-worker is with Monolith Software now; says it's perl-based.  Makes me want to stay far away from it 
[20-Dec-2010 10:40:24] <kokey> i like perl
[20-Dec-2010 10:40:26] <davetoo> (only reason I care is because a prospective client for $employer is comparing it with Zenoss)
[20-Dec-2010 10:50:35] <st3v3o> morning
[20-Dec-2010 10:59:39] <st3v3o> anyone have an issue win 3.0.2 where if you click on a created user group that you get an error?  Via the web UI it shows the following
[20-Dec-2010 10:59:40] <st3v3o> Type:
[20-Dec-2010 10:59:40] <st3v3o> Value:
[20-Dec-2010 11:01:04] <st3v3o> if I tail the /opt/zenoss/log/event.log I see a zope db error  herer http://pastebin.com/XE5YLRSk
[20-Dec-2010 11:07:56] <Jane_Curry> Afternoon....
[20-Dec-2010 11:08:10] <st3v3o> Good Afternoon
[20-Dec-2010 11:08:37] <Jane_Curry> Has anyone had any success creating a new role with Zenoss 2.5.2??
[20-Dec-2010 11:08:57] <Jane_Curry> I want a kiosk user that can see specific reports configured for the dashboard
[20-Dec-2010 11:09:09] <Sam-I-Am> theres a doc for that somewhere...
[20-Dec-2010 11:09:09] <Jane_Curry> but doesn't see any left-hand menu stuff
[20-Dec-2010 11:09:33] <Sam-I-Am> its more or less an account that logs in w/o a URL and shows only the dashboard
[20-Dec-2010 11:09:40] <Sam-I-Am> er, without a u/p
[20-Dec-2010 11:09:44] <Sam-I-Am> the url skips the login process
[20-Dec-2010 11:11:33] <davetoo> oh
[20-Dec-2010 11:11:47] <davetoo> my impression was that the granularity was far too large and on the wrong axes, so to speak
[20-Dec-2010 11:12:24] <davetoo> That was with Enterprise, with the ZenOperator role, even.
[20-Dec-2010 11:12:58] <Sam-I-Am> enterprise has better support for that sort of thing, but its not very complete
[20-Dec-2010 11:15:11] <Jane_Curry> I know Enterprise has much better support..
[20-Dec-2010 11:15:45] <Jane_Curry> mebbe I'm paranoid but I do feel that getting info for Core users to hack roles has got harder over the last couple of years.....
[20-Dec-2010 11:16:14] <Jane_Curry> The problem with the standard kiosk user is that they have normal ZenUser role access to all the left-hand menu stuff
[20-Dec-2010 11:16:19] <Jane_Curry> and I don't want that
[20-Dec-2010 11:16:55] <Sam-I-Am> with the one i set up i seem to remember the menu being there, but nothing on it working
[20-Dec-2010 11:16:59] <Sam-I-Am> or working enough to see anything
[20-Dec-2010 11:17:38] <davetoo> I'm scared of the UI    So complicated.  I don't know whether to look at zpt or... ? or .. ?
[20-Dec-2010 11:18:56] <Sam-I-Am> ?
[20-Dec-2010 11:21:02] <rmatte> Jane_Curry: I'm just jumping in to this convo now, but I assume you've read this: docs/DOC-2504 ?
[20-Dec-2010 11:21:04] <davetoo> If I ever want/need to do UI stuff for zenpacks.  So far I haven't done any model extensions or the like.
[20-Dec-2010 11:21:18] <Sam-I-Am> oh
[20-Dec-2010 11:21:21] <rmatte> I know it's for the old UI, but I'd imagine the process for the new UI wouldn't be much different
[20-Dec-2010 11:23:05] <rmatte> oh, you said 2.5.2
[20-Dec-2010 11:23:10] <rmatte> so yeh, that doc should do what you want
[20-Dec-2010 11:23:22] <rmatte> It's funny to see so many people still using 2.5 
[20-Dec-2010 11:24:18] <rmatte> hmmm, you want to get rid of the left hand menu though
[20-Dec-2010 11:24:27] <rmatte> not sure if that covers that (doesn't appear to)
[20-Dec-2010 11:28:30] <Jane_Curry> Yup rmatte - seen that doc - but you still get the LH menu
[20-Dec-2010 11:29:00] <Jane_Curry> I have found that if you set the role of kiosk to ZenUser then you see the LH menu and see the graphs
[20-Dec-2010 11:29:26] <Jane_Curry> If you clear that role (so kiosk has no assigned role) then any LH menu prompts for a login..
[20-Dec-2010 11:29:43] <Jane_Curry> .. which will do nicely - but none of the graphs have any data!
[20-Dec-2010 11:30:30] <Jane_Curry> I've also tried using the ZMI to copy the leftPane object from zenmodel onto kiosk
[20-Dec-2010 11:31:48] <Jane_Curry> This appears nicely in the ZMI under portal_skins/kiosk and, if you edit it, you get the right results with the test tab...
[20-Dec-2010 11:32:20] <Jane_Curry> .. but using thestandard Zenoss GUI you still get the standard LH menu - Baaahhhhhh!!
[20-Dec-2010 11:52:42] <rmatte> hmmm
[20-Dec-2010 11:53:06] <rmatte> I wonder if you can just copy the start page and configure a different one for just that 1 specific user
[20-Dec-2010 11:53:16] <rmatte> and have the start page be the dashboard with the left hand menu removed
[20-Dec-2010 11:55:56] <Jane_Curry> not sure what defines the "start page" - any suggestions?
[20-Dec-2010 11:56:21] <Jane_Curry> I must say I was surprised that my copying leftPane kludge didn't work....
[20-Dec-2010 11:56:33] <davetoo> Zope is full of FM
[20-Dec-2010 12:26:30] <rhettardo> so i am still having issues w/ my even console showing events that it shouldnt.  what I am seeing now is that some of the events that show up in the even console do not actually show up under the individual device
[20-Dec-2010 12:27:09] <rhettardo> for example one of my mysql slaves has an 'snmpd down' event, but when i browse the device there is nothing and i know snmp is up
[20-Dec-2010 12:37:21] <rmatte> rhettardo: how old is that event though?
[20-Dec-2010 12:38:04] <rhettardo> Start Time:     2010/12/15 14:43:44.000
[20-Dec-2010 12:38:05] <rhettardo> Stop Time:     2010/12/20 09:19:59.000
[20-Dec-2010 12:38:05] <rhettardo> Count:     2009
[20-Dec-2010 12:38:24] <rhettardo> the 15th was the last time i cleared all the events the last time we discussed it
[20-Dec-2010 12:38:36] <rmatte> odd, try restarting zenperfsnmp
[20-Dec-2010 12:38:44] <rhettardo> tried that multiple times
[20-Dec-2010 12:38:51] * Sam-I-Am is still building device templates
[20-Dec-2010 12:38:52] <Sam-I-Am> yay!
[20-Dec-2010 12:39:26] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/uGQT/raw/
[20-Dec-2010 12:39:32] <rmatte> try that in zendmd
[20-Dec-2010 12:40:26] <rhettardo> will do
[20-Dec-2010 12:58:11] <rhettardo> still getting this crap
[20-Dec-2010 12:58:18] <rhettardo> this is shitty
[20-Dec-2010 13:05:23] <rmatte> you said the events don't look like they are coming from any device name that you actually have in your inventory?
[20-Dec-2010 13:05:38] <rmatte> or they are?
[20-Dec-2010 13:13:59] <rhettardo> mysql03 shows an snmp down even in the event console but i know snmp isnt down and when i go to the device and view the events, its clear and shows no errors
[20-Dec-2010 13:14:14] <rhettardo> its only in the global console i see all these arbitrary events
[20-Dec-2010 13:14:25] <rhettardo> most of which are for devices i have set to maintenance or decomishoned
[20-Dec-2010 13:20:02] <rhettardo> this all started happening after i ran zenbackup to try and migrate this to another box
[20-Dec-2010 13:21:22] <rhettardo> i have 103 events, most of which are these info events for "[smux_accept]", "Received SNMP packets from UDP 127.0.0.1", and "Connection from UDP 127.0.0.1" which i never saw before
[20-Dec-2010 13:21:39] <rhettardo> this all started happening at the same time directly after i created a backup
[20-Dec-2010 13:27:14] <rmatte> when I saw create a class, I mean a device class in Zenoss, not a WMI class 
[20-Dec-2010 13:27:17] <rmatte> oops
[20-Dec-2010 13:27:22] <rmatte> meant for privmsg
[20-Dec-2010 13:32:40] <Jane_Curry> still hacking on with more restrivted menus for the kiosk user.....
[20-Dec-2010 13:33:06] <Jane_Curry> Anyone know how to test in a skins file for the userid that is invoking the skin??
[20-Dec-2010 13:39:10] <rmatte> not off hand
[20-Dec-2010 13:45:47] frozty_sa is now known as froztbyte
[20-Dec-2010 13:50:28] <rmatte> one thing I hate about grep
[20-Dec-2010 13:50:30] <rmatte> echo msg\$\(1\) | grep 'msg\$\(1\)'
[20-Dec-2010 13:50:33] <rmatte> returns nothing
[20-Dec-2010 13:50:39] <rmatte> though you'd think it would return the line
[20-Dec-2010 13:50:56] <rmatte> it treats \(\) as so special "OR"
[20-Dec-2010 13:50:58] <rmatte> some*
[20-Dec-2010 13:51:41] <rmatte> ah nevermind
[20-Dec-2010 13:51:52] <rmatte> just realized that I can just do grep 'msg\$(1)'
[20-Dec-2010 14:30:21] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: you know of any way to force zenmib to load mibs missing various revision data?
[20-Dec-2010 14:30:27] <Sam-I-Am> the juniper mibs are obviously crap
[20-Dec-2010 14:30:44] <Sam-I-Am> stuff like this...
[20-Dec-2010 14:30:45] <Sam-I-Am> /tmp/mibs/mib-jnx-vlan.txt:48: revision date after last update
[20-Dec-2010 14:30:45] <Sam-I-Am> /tmp/mibs/mib-jnx-vlan.txt:53: revision for last update is missing
[20-Dec-2010 14:30:45] <rmatte> there's no way to force it to do anything
[20-Dec-2010 14:30:51] <rmatte> if it doesn't like them it doesn't like them
[20-Dec-2010 14:30:54] <Sam-I-Am> its too much to fix by hand
[20-Dec-2010 14:31:02] <rmatte> I've ended up fixing mibs by hand to get them to load
[20-Dec-2010 14:31:23] <Sam-I-Am> this is about 20-30 different mibs with issues
[20-Dec-2010 14:31:27] <Sam-I-Am> guess i could do it, but ugh
[20-Dec-2010 14:31:31] <rmatte> better get crackin'
[20-Dec-2010 14:31:32] <rmatte> lol
[20-Dec-2010 14:31:35] <Sam-I-Am> suppose i'll have to BS the missing fields
[20-Dec-2010 14:31:40] <rmatte> release it as a ZenPack too when you're done
[20-Dec-2010 14:31:43] <rmatte> 
[20-Dec-2010 14:32:38] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[20-Dec-2010 14:33:23] * Sam-I-Am wonders how much alcohol he'll need for this
[20-Dec-2010 14:37:38] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[20-Dec-2010 14:40:00] <Sam-I-Am> funny thing is, on a second run, some of them are loading
[20-Dec-2010 14:49:05] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, they load individually, just not by *
[20-Dec-2010 14:58:35] <mducharme-laptop> hello Jane_Curry
[20-Dec-2010 14:58:49] <mducharme-laptop> I had a question for you about your bridge mib zenpack
[20-Dec-2010 15:18:19] <st3v3o> Is there a way to globally disable zenoss from pulling the windows event log via wmi
[20-Dec-2010 15:18:39] <rmatte> st3v3o: yeh, just change the zProperty at the /Devices level
[20-Dec-2010 15:19:03] <rmatte> and it doesn't pull it via WMI, it pulls it via WinPerf
[20-Dec-2010 15:19:28] <st3v3o> is this what I need to set zWinEventlogMinSeverity
[20-Dec-2010 15:19:33] <rmatte> nope
[20-Dec-2010 15:19:38] <st3v3o> zWinEventlog
[20-Dec-2010 15:19:39] <rmatte> that's to set the minimum severity
[20-Dec-2010 15:19:45] <rmatte> yeh, zWinEventLog is what you want
[20-Dec-2010 15:20:44] <st3v3o> cool, we've had some event storms from teh windows servers …so we've determined we need to write individual checks :/
[20-Dec-2010 15:21:12] <rmatte> ah
[20-Dec-2010 15:21:26] <st3v3o> damn snow balled windows events 
[20-Dec-2010 15:21:34] <rmatte> smile
[20-Dec-2010 15:21:50] <rmatte> that's microsoft for you
[20-Dec-2010 15:21:52] <rmatte> 
[20-Dec-2010 15:22:29] <rmatte> I like how they use error codes, so you have to go and look up what the error actually is a lot
[20-Dec-2010 15:22:48] <rmatte> Error 0x391E9A
[20-Dec-2010 15:22:54] <rmatte> very useful
[20-Dec-2010 15:22:56] <st3v3o> hahaha
[20-Dec-2010 17:32:21] <davetoo> finally 
[20-Dec-2010 17:32:25] <davetoo> welcome back 
[20-Dec-2010 17:47:52] <wobblyonions> Hi all
[20-Dec-2010 17:51:15] <rhettardo> hello
[20-Dec-2010 17:52:01] <wobblyonions> how you doing rhettardo
[20-Dec-2010 17:52:55] <rhettardo> dont have all that much to complain about
[20-Dec-2010 17:53:48] <wobblyonions> cool :-) im trying to sort out my Zenoss install that's not to happy at all
[20-Dec-2010 17:54:25] <rhettardo> whats up with it
[20-Dec-2010 17:55:08] <wobblyonions> getting a load of errors in the event console about zensyslog heartbeat failure etc alogn with others for the zenoss processors and cant figure it out for shit, thinking the stack install was not a good way to go :-)
[20-Dec-2010 18:02:48] <rhettardo> hm
[20-Dec-2010 18:02:52] <rhettardo> i am not quite sure
[20-Dec-2010 18:03:00] <rhettardo> sounds like maybe not
[20-Dec-2010 18:41:48] rhettardo_ is now known as rhettardo
[20-Dec-2010 18:45:45] <wobblyonions> ??
[20-Dec-2010 18:45:48] <wobblyonions> what you mean
[20-Dec-2010 19:32:15] <nyeates> stack install works good if u got nothing else much running on the box
[20-Dec-2010 19:32:38] <nyeates> or well....it *should* run fine with anything else running since mysql is installed as its own instance
[20-Dec-2010 19:33:24] <nyeates> stack is ussually the lesser error prone install.....rpm is more permanent and expandable, but requires slightly more knowledge into what you are doing
[20-Dec-2010 19:48:06] <wobblyonions> thats the issue is that the mysql is in its own instance and I cant seem to connect to it to see the db,
[20-Dec-2010 19:48:23] <wobblyonions> unless somone knows the username and passwd it uses
[20-Dec-2010 19:49:03] <wobblyonions> I am seeing a load of syslog traffic hitting the box but not much being shown in the event console at all and trying to get to the bottom of it as we may be missing messages etc
[20-Dec-2010 19:59:58] <davetoo> rmatte: ping
[20-Dec-2010 20:21:32] <davetoo> meh.  Is drag and drop *really* the only way to change device classes now?
[20-Dec-2010 20:23:24] <wobblyonions> looks like it yeah
[20-Dec-2010 20:23:40] <wobblyonions> unless you know hwo to get into the device database which if you did a stack install good luck :-)
[20-Dec-2010 20:30:08] <wobblyonions> guys, anyone had any issues getting zenoss to query a device on a differnet snmp port other than 161 at all?
[20-Dec-2010 20:37:53] <davetoo> oh I know how to do it via the WMI and the python API,
[20-Dec-2010 20:38:05] <davetoo> but I have to train users who I don't want using those interfaces 
[20-Dec-2010 21:04:13] <davetoo> argh
[20-Dec-2010 21:04:41] <davetoo> The Performance Monitor Renderserver URL target is resolved by the *client browser*
[20-Dec-2010 21:04:46] <davetoo> not by zenhub
[20-Dec-2010 21:05:20] <davetoo> This lab has no useful DNS; the zenoss boxes have hostfiles but my laptop is using "real" dns from dhcp.
[20-Dec-2010 21:05:30] <davetoo> Once I've put IP addresses instead, now I get graphs.
[20-Dec-2010 21:05:31] <davetoo> feh.
[20-Dec-2010 22:15:13] <wobblyonions> anyone had issues with getting zenoss working for a device listening on a different snmp port then 161 at all cant seem to get it working at all
[20-Dec-2010 23:52:46] <wobblyonions> hi guys, how ini the new Zenoss can you get the event console as a portlet on the dashboard ?
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[21-Dec-2010 04:17:17] <Weetos> I have a hundred devices to batch import in Zenoss 3.0.3, and I made a script that generates a csv file formatted as follow:
[21-Dec-2010 04:17:45] <Weetos> $deviceName manageIp='$deviceIP', zSnmpCommunity='community', zSnmpVer='v2c', devicePath='/Devices/...'
[21-Dec-2010 04:18:27] <Weetos> but I can't remember how I imported the csv in Zenoss (2.5 at the time)
[21-Dec-2010 04:18:41] <Simon4> zenbatchload from memory
[21-Dec-2010 04:19:24] <Weetos> it takes this formatting as input ?
[21-Dec-2010 04:19:57] <Simon4> I'm unsure - I haven't used it, but that's the tool I know people use to batch load lists of devices
[21-Dec-2010 04:20:05] <Weetos> I thought it requires a format like "/device/path \n device1\n device2" and so on
[21-Dec-2010 04:20:39] <Weetos> well I'm going to take a look
[21-Dec-2010 04:22:04] <Weetos> thanks
[21-Dec-2010 04:22:23] <Simon4> np, hopefully it helps
[21-Dec-2010 04:24:00] <Weetos> it seems it's the one I'm looking for, I'm currently trying zenbatchload --sample_configs
[21-Dec-2010 04:24:19] <Weetos> and see what I can do
[21-Dec-2010 04:24:32] <Simon4> good luck 
[21-Dec-2010 04:24:37] * Simon4 meanders off to the office
[21-Dec-2010 04:24:41] <Weetos> thanks 
[21-Dec-2010 05:08:40] <Weetos> well as usual, Zenoss turned something easy into a nightmare : 32 devices out of 100 imported, and I can't add the remaining device because Zenoss says they already exist, but I can't see them in the device list
[21-Dec-2010 05:09:10] <Weetos> So now let's waste my time debugging this mess
[21-Dec-2010 05:09:21] <Weetos> I should have add them one by one
[21-Dec-2010 05:09:24] <Weetos> So cool
[21-Dec-2010 05:13:29] <Weetos> Ok, so next step : Does anyone know how to delete invisible devices ?
[21-Dec-2010 05:24:06] <Weetos> sometimes I just hate Zenoss as much as I like it
[21-Dec-2010 06:03:25] <skiold> weird, on a box snmpwalk lists only the first entry of hrSWRunPath
[21-Dec-2010 06:04:22] <skiold> but, when you query the full resource it seems to be there (i.e HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPath.1497 works as expected)
[21-Dec-2010 09:22:35] <tiredofme> anyone monitoring sonicwall devices?
[21-Dec-2010 09:23:25] <tiredofme> I've found a discrepancy with some of the OIDs
[21-Dec-2010 09:54:19] <Sam-I-Am> heh, wouldnt be the first device with snmp issues
[21-Dec-2010 11:11:31] <Jane_Curry> Anyone around who could do a couple of 3.x tests???
[21-Dec-2010 11:16:29] <rmatte> what kinds of tests?
[21-Dec-2010 11:16:51] <rmatte> I have a 3.0.3 lab box
[21-Dec-2010 11:16:55] <Jane_Curry> Just put an append at thread/15224
[21-Dec-2010 11:17:30] <Jane_Curry> I don't get the event status from various components reflected up to the parent device details component type
[21-Dec-2010 11:20:33] <rmatte> I'll see what I can do in terms of testing that
[21-Dec-2010 11:24:12] <Jane_Curry> Thanks
[21-Dec-2010 11:24:17] <rmatte> looks fine for windows services
[21-Dec-2010 11:25:14] <rmatte> I have a windows service down event
[21-Dec-2010 11:25:19] <rmatte> and I can see the status icon as red
[21-Dec-2010 11:26:16] <Jane_Curry> I only checked IP services - good to hear it at least works for you on Win services
[21-Dec-2010 11:26:28] <rmatte> I'll test ip services
[21-Dec-2010 11:28:39] <rmatte> g'day Nick
[21-Dec-2010 11:29:48] <rmatte> Jane_Curry: IP Services works
[21-Dec-2010 11:30:19] <rmatte> Jane_Curry: did you refresh the whole page to see if maybe you just caught the event between refreshes?
[21-Dec-2010 11:31:51] <rmatte> Jane_Curry: http://oi55.tinypic.com/14xhtl.jpg
[21-Dec-2010 11:34:22] <nyeates> hola ryan
[21-Dec-2010 11:34:50] <nyeates> thx for replying back that guy on yer new zp page
[21-Dec-2010 11:40:00] <rmatte> np
[21-Dec-2010 11:40:11] <rmatte> the screenshots are missing on the page btw
[21-Dec-2010 11:40:15] <rmatte> not sure what happened there 
[21-Dec-2010 11:40:27] <nyeates> refering to me?
[21-Dec-2010 11:41:41] <rmatte> yessir
[21-Dec-2010 11:41:53] <nyeates> hmmmm
[21-Dec-2010 11:42:07] <rmatte> It just shows links to CatOS_2.jpg
[21-Dec-2010 11:42:08] <rmatte> CatOS_1.jpg
[21-Dec-2010 11:42:11] <rmatte> and they are broken
[21-Dec-2010 11:42:13] <nyeates> oh ugly
[21-Dec-2010 11:42:24] <rmatte> 
[21-Dec-2010 11:42:56] <nyeates> im up'ing a ton of new zenpacks on the backlog....i hope the others worked too
[21-Dec-2010 11:43:25] <rmatte> hopefully
[21-Dec-2010 11:44:58] <nyeates> mind if I move your notice to the end of the description?
[21-Dec-2010 11:45:11] <nyeates> or u think its important enough to be first?
[21-Dec-2010 11:45:21] <rmatte> yeh, it is
[21-Dec-2010 11:45:33] <rmatte> I have similar notices on other ZenPack pages of mine above the description
[21-Dec-2010 11:45:44] <rmatte> they help since people don't end up wasting their time if the pack isn't what they expected
[21-Dec-2010 11:45:58] <nyeates> ahh, k....yer consistent :-)
[21-Dec-2010 11:46:03] <rmatte> indeed
[21-Dec-2010 11:46:03] <rmatte> 
[21-Dec-2010 11:46:35] <nyeates> do the screens show now?
[21-Dec-2010 11:46:44] <rmatte> yup
[21-Dec-2010 11:46:58] <rmatte> looks good, thanks
[21-Dec-2010 11:48:39] <rmatte> you guys should have another contest for updating old ZenPacks that don't work with 3.0 to work with 3.0
[21-Dec-2010 11:49:04] <rmatte> or for confirming that packs work with 3.0, there appears to be a very large testing backlog
[21-Dec-2010 11:50:17] <nyeates> eeek, yeah, ive noticed
[21-Dec-2010 11:50:55] <nyeates> i dont have a lot of insight there, ill have to talk to matt ray
[21-Dec-2010 11:51:15] * rmatte nods
[21-Dec-2010 11:51:29] <nyeates> like im not sure if ppl are just not responsive, hadnt upgraded yet, or they need another push, or if we just need to go through and test em
[21-Dec-2010 11:51:59] <rmatte> it's a mix of all of the above
[21-Dec-2010 11:52:10] <rmatte> a lot of packs are no longer maintained
[21-Dec-2010 11:53:51] <Jane_Curry> Hmmm - IP services definitely don't work for me - http://tinypic.com/r/2dhxtg9/7
[21-Dec-2010 11:54:42] <rmatte> strange
[21-Dec-2010 11:54:57] <rmatte> so you have tried refreshing the whole page?
[21-Dec-2010 11:55:06] <rmatte> the left hand menu doesn't refresh on it's own
[21-Dec-2010 11:57:56] <rmatte> Nick, you should determine which ZenPacks are orphaned and have an "Adopt a ZenPack" project... and if a ZenPack is outdated, and no one has any interest in it then it should be put on a separate obsolete ZenPacks list (leaving it in there for reference)
[21-Dec-2010 11:58:17] <rmatte> I think it would really help clean up the main ZenPacks list
[21-Dec-2010 11:58:23] <rmatte> because it's sort of getting out of hand
[21-Dec-2010 11:58:24] <rmatte> 
[21-Dec-2010 11:59:22] <Jane_Curry> yup - refreshed the whole page - even stopped and restarted all the zenoss daemons! - no component type event status beyond green
[21-Dec-2010 11:59:46] <rmatte> strange
[21-Dec-2010 12:00:14] <nyeates> interesting idea ryan, thx
[21-Dec-2010 12:00:28] <rmatte> np
[21-Dec-2010 12:01:26] <Jane_Curry> Totally agree with the comments aboyt ZenPacks to V3 - like the idea of "Adopt a ZenPack"..
[21-Dec-2010 12:01:42] <rmatte> yeh, I think a lot of people would be interested in that
[21-Dec-2010 12:02:05] <Jane_Curry> .. though what happens if you end up with shared-ownership ZenPacks and Contributors Agreement, I don't know....
[21-Dec-2010 12:02:09] <rmatte> there's a much higher number of people who are savvy enough to author ZenPacks these days
[21-Dec-2010 12:02:42] <rmatte> well, I don't think that's much of an issue... you're basically signing away your rights to the ZenPack with the contributors agreement in the first place
[21-Dec-2010 12:02:59] <rmatte> so to have 2 people doing that doesn't affect the end result
[21-Dec-2010 12:03:33] <rmatte> It'll have to be organized, if 2 or more authors are working on the same pack they need to colaborate to some degree 
[21-Dec-2010 12:04:16] <nyeates> Maybe attempt to contact the former author - give some time frame for them to get back
[21-Dec-2010 12:04:32] <rmatte> yeh, that's what would need to be done
[21-Dec-2010 12:05:32] <nyeates> ill mention the idea to some people here, see what they think...also see if we have the time/resources to do it
[21-Dec-2010 12:07:46] <Jane_Curry> yeh - that's what I've done with a couple of ZenPack updates - contacted the original author first
[21-Dec-2010 12:08:27] <Jane_Curry> But I and some others, do have issues with signing the carte blanche Contributor Agreement - that's where the legalities can get a little confused
[21-Dec-2010 12:10:17] <nyeates> so i mentioned the idea here in the zenoss center of excellence (heh) - they liked the idea of deprecating select ZenPacks
[21-Dec-2010 12:10:33] <nyeates> but didnt think there could ever be "too many" zenpacks
[21-Dec-2010 12:13:29] <nyeates> Jane, understood on the contrib agreement. Yes, its something we would have to look into, if others started working cross-project.
[21-Dec-2010 12:13:41] <rmatte> there, done updating the cisco catalyst zp page
[21-Dec-2010 12:14:05] <rmatte> now I just have the UCD FileSystem ZenPack left
[21-Dec-2010 12:15:02] <nyeates> are u planning to create that page yerself? :-)
[21-Dec-2010 12:15:20] <rmatte> no, you appear to have a template going 
[21-Dec-2010 12:15:26] <rmatte> but no rush
[21-Dec-2010 12:16:17] <nyeates> well, I am one person, and I am trying to get ZP developers to help out as much as possible....but i do understand that u all took the effort to spend time making it in the first place
[21-Dec-2010 12:16:28] <nyeates> trying to strike a balance and get help whenever i can ;-)
[21-Dec-2010 12:21:36] <rmatte> well, I used to do my own commits to subversion before you switched to git (which I have absolutely no idea how to use)
[21-Dec-2010 12:22:00] <rmatte> we're an all subversion shop here
[21-Dec-2010 12:23:41] <nyeates> We have a new(er) set of ZenPack instructions that explain which steps you can do yourself, and the git commands to run: docs/DOC-7454
[21-Dec-2010 12:24:09] <davetoo> There are ways to do a two-way conversion
[21-Dec-2010 12:24:22] <nyeates> for git, my understanding is that you employ a pull request taht our devs receive, and then we accept that request
[21-Dec-2010 12:24:37] <nyeates> explain dave, not sure what thta means
[21-Dec-2010 12:26:03] <davetoo> I'm just getting started with git, but there seems to be a concept something like SVN's "external", and there are (mostly perl) tools to use a gateway between SVN and Git as that external
[21-Dec-2010 12:26:32] <davetoo> so in a sense your local Git repo acts as a client to the SVN repot, and can check out and in.
[21-Dec-2010 12:26:48] <davetoo> But that's well beyond my skill level right now.
[21-Dec-2010 12:27:18] <davetoo> I have tried to import the Core SVN repo into Git but there is some inconsistency in the SVN archive that blows up the conversion
[21-Dec-2010 12:27:47] <davetoo> I wish I could get some tips from one of your devs who uses Git for the core
[21-Dec-2010 12:28:04] <Jane_Curry> Phonegi wrote a super doc on how to use git - pull the pdf from here -  docs/DOC-10223
[21-Dec-2010 12:28:27] <Jane_Curry> Heh Nick...
[21-Dec-2010 12:28:53] <Jane_Curry> Postie just brought me a UK Guru Plug - many thanks!!!!!
[21-Dec-2010 12:30:43] <nyeates> haha very nice! what u plan to do with that teeny linux server?
[21-Dec-2010 12:30:54] <davetoo> I want to use Git with the main repo
[21-Dec-2010 12:31:13] <davetoo> I wish I was a committer 
[21-Dec-2010 12:31:27] <davetoo> There is a bug that drives me nuts on every new installation
[21-Dec-2010 12:33:22] <davetoo> Somehow dmd.Devices and dmd.Devices.Server get initialized with a missing property, which causes one of the python methods most important to me to crash and burn
[21-Dec-2010 12:33:53] <rmatte> davetoo: odd, I've never noticed that
[21-Dec-2010 12:33:57] <rmatte> open a trac ticket
[21-Dec-2010 12:34:03] <davetoo> I did; looking for it
[21-Dec-2010 12:34:48] <davetoo> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5464
[21-Dec-2010 12:39:26] <Jane_Curry> Anyone else seen issues with component event status not reflected to a device's left-hand menu - thread/15224
[21-Dec-2010 12:39:51] <Jane_Curry> Ryan has obviously managed to avoid this one - what's your Op Sys there, Ryan?
[21-Dec-2010 12:40:48] <rmatte> For the server or my workstation?
[21-Dec-2010 12:41:18] <rmatte> The server is Ubuntu Server 8.0.4
[21-Dec-2010 12:41:25] <rmatte> 8.04 rather
[21-Dec-2010 12:41:31] <rmatte> and my workstation is Ubuntu 10.04
[21-Dec-2010 12:42:25] <davetoo> I wish I could remember my trac password 
[21-Dec-2010 12:43:03] <davetoo> w00t!
[21-Dec-2010 12:43:05] <davetoo> just did
[21-Dec-2010 12:43:07] <rmatte> lol
[21-Dec-2010 12:43:35] <rmatte> took me a while to memorize mine, it's some random mix of characters that Matt came up with
[21-Dec-2010 12:44:15] <davetoo> I had him change mine the day before he left
[21-Dec-2010 12:44:18] <mray> you're welcome
[21-Dec-2010 12:44:19] <rmatte> lol
[21-Dec-2010 12:44:35] <davetoo> 
[21-Dec-2010 12:45:09] <rmatte> davetoo: "Matt, can you change my password to davetooisthegreatest?"
[21-Dec-2010 12:45:15] <davetoo> hehe
[21-Dec-2010 12:45:27] <rmatte> mray: "Eugh, it'll cost you $20"
[21-Dec-2010 12:45:39] <rmatte> davetoo: "Check's in the mail"
[21-Dec-2010 12:45:50] <davetoo> I need to make a version of my internal blog post about my troubleshooting boondoggle yesterday.
[21-Dec-2010 12:46:04] <rmatte> "boondoggle" mhmmm
[21-Dec-2010 12:46:10] <davetoo> Short version: $client's lab has no DNS so I'm schlepping around hostfiles,
[21-Dec-2010 12:46:26] <davetoo> using distributed collectors, the Render URL gets set to the hostname,
[21-Dec-2010 12:46:35] <rmatte> mray: I found a fun bug with the network aggregate report graph yesterday
[21-Dec-2010 12:46:40] <davetoo> but under testing, my laptop can't resolve those.
[21-Dec-2010 12:46:48] <rmatte> mray: doesn't graph 64bit interfaces
[21-Dec-2010 12:46:54] <davetoo> but there's no error message anywhere that tells me why the graphs are broken./
[21-Dec-2010 12:47:02] <rmatte> ah
[21-Dec-2010 12:47:19] <davetoo> I don't know if that's buried in some javascript or what.
[21-Dec-2010 12:47:23] faffi_ is now known as faffi
[21-Dec-2010 12:47:27] <mray> rmatte: not much I can do to help you 
[21-Dec-2010 12:47:42] <rmatte> mray: yeh, I know 
[21-Dec-2010 12:49:09] <davetoo> I need to figure out how to write some automated tests against the Distribted Collector stuff.
[21-Dec-2010 12:50:53] <davetoo> oh, here's a question about that one
[21-Dec-2010 12:51:33] <davetoo> if I create a daemons.txt on the master (but don't create DAEMONS_TXT_ONLY) will that be used to set the remote daemon running set?
[21-Dec-2010 12:51:41] <rmatte> no
[21-Dec-2010 12:51:55] <rmatte> not unless Egor coded it to
[21-Dec-2010 12:51:55] <davetoo> cause I don't *want* to run performance daemons on the master/hub
[21-Dec-2010 12:52:00] <Simon4> davetoo: collectordaemons.txt in enterprise
[21-Dec-2010 12:52:09] <davetoo> oh that's new.  interesting.
[21-Dec-2010 12:52:10] <rmatte> I think Egor's pack automatically creates the daemons.txt on the remote on it's own
[21-Dec-2010 12:52:15] <Simon4> if you create that it sets what daemons run on the collectors
[21-Dec-2010 12:52:22] <Simon4> so you can have a diff list on the master
[21-Dec-2010 12:52:32] <rmatte> ah
[21-Dec-2010 12:52:35] <davetoo> rmatte: that's been my experience; it starts over there whatever is running on the hub.
[21-Dec-2010 12:52:44] <davetoo> I was looking at Egor's code last night.
[21-Dec-2010 12:53:16] <davetoo> the monky patches make me nervous about upgrades to Core.
[21-Dec-2010 12:53:56] <davetoo> but it's certainly the easier way to do it.
[21-Dec-2010 12:54:09] <rmatte> yup
[21-Dec-2010 12:54:43] <rmatte> alright, afk for a few, need to concentrate on template editing
[21-Dec-2010 12:54:49] <davetoo> 'k
[21-Dec-2010 12:54:57] <rmatte> need to rename all of the datapoints in my 64bit templates across 16 servers
[21-Dec-2010 12:55:07] <davetoo> zendmd FTW
[21-Dec-2010 12:55:07] <rmatte> so that the aggregate network graph will work for them
[21-Dec-2010 12:55:29] <rmatte> nah, I'm just going to do it on one, load it in to my interfaces ZenPack then deploy that across the board
[21-Dec-2010 12:55:53] <rmatte> and I wrote a script to automagically rename all the RRD files
[21-Dec-2010 12:56:00] <davetoo> nice
[21-Dec-2010 12:56:18] <davetoo> bbl
[21-Dec-2010 12:56:22] <rmatte> later
[21-Dec-2010 13:15:50] <nyeates> doing a interview with Los Alamos Labs engineer right now, for a possible blog post. They maintain a custom version of Zenoss for their HPC system which is in the top 10 super computers.....any questions or curiosity from the community?
[21-Dec-2010 13:17:06] <davetoo> maybe...
[21-Dec-2010 13:17:27] <davetoo> it's been a while since I looked at their stuff.  Are their pages current?
[21-Dec-2010 13:18:34] <nyeates> they upped a more current RPM
[21-Dec-2010 13:18:49] <nyeates> its based on 2.4 and heaavily customized
[21-Dec-2010 13:19:21] <nyeates> they may be looking to move to 3.0 and make that available....we'll see
[21-Dec-2010 13:19:31] <davetoo> right, they were doing some kind of consolidation,
[21-Dec-2010 13:19:36] <davetoo> but was that just for Events?
[21-Dec-2010 13:19:46] <davetoo> Are they the inspiration for ZEC?
[21-Dec-2010 13:20:09] <nyeates> ill clarify that with her
[21-Dec-2010 13:20:50] <nyeates> they are trying to handle large amts of events, yes. I do not think ZEC was inspired by that, but its generally a growth out of that direction
[21-Dec-2010 13:20:51] <davetoo> the UI gets a bit difficult with  more than 1000 systems..
[21-Dec-2010 13:21:24] <davetoo> ok, here's one: how do they handle event floods and dependencies to filter alerts?
[21-Dec-2010 13:22:36] <nyeates> thx
[21-Dec-2010 13:25:01] <nyeates> what do u mean by dependencies to filter alerts?
[21-Dec-2010 13:25:03] <rmatte> hmmm that's weird, I installed a ZenPack on my Zenoss template image and now the UI is fubar
[21-Dec-2010 13:25:31] <rmatte> no dropdown menus and no dashboard
[21-Dec-2010 13:27:59] <rmatte> ah fixed
[21-Dec-2010 13:28:04] <rmatte> had to close the tab and open a fresh one
[21-Dec-2010 13:31:05] <nyeates> sometimes gotta clear browser cache
[21-Dec-2010 13:33:36] <braynyac> well hello everyone =)
[21-Dec-2010 13:48:18] <davetoo> nyeates:
[21-Dec-2010 13:48:46] <davetoo> Nominally, zenping pingtree is supposed to cause events below a failed router to be suppressed
[21-Dec-2010 13:49:06] <braynyac> hello everyone
[21-Dec-2010 13:49:23] <davetoo> but due to polling cycles one has to really watch the alerting delays and such.
[21-Dec-2010 13:49:55] <davetoo> Also, if a large layer 2 switch fails, hundreds if not thousands of events can come in all at once
[21-Dec-2010 13:50:04] <davetoo> and most of those will probably result in alerts
[21-Dec-2010 13:50:50] <braynyac> not so quick question....running esxtop against 3 vSphere 4.0 servers, runs fine, but I can't add additional data sources, say for network or physical disk.  Rather, I can add them, but no data points graph after I add those.  Here's the forum post: thread/15222?tstart=0.  Do you guys have any thoughts?
[21-Dec-2010 13:51:18] <braynyac> I am able to add additional data points to existing sources (under that source) for the esxtophost, without issues
[21-Dec-2010 13:52:49] <braynyac> do I need to create a *new* monitoring template, or override the existing template for EsxTopHost in order for this to work correctly?
[21-Dec-2010 14:02:21] <braynyac> Hello?  Can you guys even see me?
[21-Dec-2010 14:03:17] <Simon4> braynyac: I can see you but I don't know the answer to your question sorry
[21-Dec-2010 14:03:40] <braynyac> no worries =)  Just wanted to make sure....I've been having issues with IRC today.  Thanks for the response
[21-Dec-2010 14:03:49] <Simon4> pong 
[21-Dec-2010 14:04:31] <axelilly> When I direct a device to send syslog to zenoss, where does it show up in Zenoss?
[21-Dec-2010 14:05:13] <rmatte> braynyac: you're sure the datasources are relatively identical to the ones already there?
[21-Dec-2010 14:05:19] <rmatte> and you've tested them?
[21-Dec-2010 14:05:27] <braynyac> rmatte: yes, and yes
[21-Dec-2010 14:05:39] <Simon4> axelilly: as events tied to the device that's sending the events
[21-Dec-2010 14:05:40] <braynyac> rmatte: I ran the check_esxtop command by hand to make sure
[21-Dec-2010 14:05:47] <Simon4> or under hte event class of /Unknown
[21-Dec-2010 14:06:12] <rmatte> braynyac: under the datasource there's a spot to enter a device name and click test
[21-Dec-2010 14:06:19] <rmatte> braynyac: have you tried doing that?
[21-Dec-2010 14:06:31] <rmatte> (or at least there should be a spot to do that)
[21-Dec-2010 14:07:32] <rmatte> braynyac: also, I've found the vSphere servers don't provide host info, on guest info
[21-Dec-2010 14:07:42] <rmatte> you need to query the actual physical servers for the host info
[21-Dec-2010 14:07:42] <braynyac> rmatte: if the command is wrong, it returns <something>, but if it is correct, nothing is returned.  I did also run it that way, and again, it returns nothing, which means that it at least likes the syntax.  There is a way to get check_esxtop to return all data sources, which I've done, and I copy / pasted that into the new data source
[21-Dec-2010 14:07:44] <braynyac> really?
[21-Dec-2010 14:07:45] <rmatte> (in my experience)
[21-Dec-2010 14:08:07] <braynyac> rmatt: I have the host info on them, but only for the data sources set up in the zenpack
[21-Dec-2010 14:08:09] <rmatte> yeh, there's the new VMWare ESXi pack that Eric Enns made, which uses the vSphere API to monitor ESX, ESXi, and vSphere
[21-Dec-2010 14:08:17] <rmatte> but when I query my vSphere server I get zero host info
[21-Dec-2010 14:08:28] <rmatte> yet I get the info when I query my ESX servers directly
[21-Dec-2010 14:08:33] <braynyac> ok, I'm querying the hosts directly
[21-Dec-2010 14:08:41] <rmatte> that should be working
[21-Dec-2010 14:08:47] <braynyac> not the vsphere, as I couldn't get that to work, and there are only 3 of them
[21-Dec-2010 14:08:53] <rmatte> you may want to try our Eric Enn's pack instead
[21-Dec-2010 14:08:55] <rmatte> it's very good
[21-Dec-2010 14:09:06] <braynyac> yeah, I can add additional data points the the already defined data sources, but no new data sources
[21-Dec-2010 14:09:11] <braynyac> OK, I'm taking a look now
[21-Dec-2010 14:09:42] <rmatte> oh also, in Eric's pack, the devices need to be named the same as the hostname of the device
[21-Dec-2010 14:09:51] <rmatte> if they don't match it won't collect the info properly
[21-Dec-2010 14:09:54] <braynyac> ok
[21-Dec-2010 14:10:32] <axelilly> Simon4: do they get put in as soon as received?  I don't see my syslog entries showing up.
[21-Dec-2010 14:10:45] <rmatte> braynyac: docs/DOC-10242
[21-Dec-2010 14:10:51] <axelilly> Simon4: also, how does it know what syslog entries relate to which device?
[21-Dec-2010 14:10:52] <rmatte> braynyac: docs/DOC-10225
[21-Dec-2010 14:10:54] <Simon4> axelilly: yeah, they should be
[21-Dec-2010 14:11:04] <axelilly> Simon4: is there a way to debug it?
[21-Dec-2010 14:11:04] <Simon4> axelilly: the source ip from the syslog udp packet
[21-Dec-2010 14:11:10] <braynyac> rmatte: already at the 10225 =)
[21-Dec-2010 14:11:29] <braynyac> rmatte: can I add additional data points if needed?
[21-Dec-2010 14:11:38] <rmatte> braynyac: k, you need 10242 installed as a pre-requisite
[21-Dec-2010 14:11:39] <axelilly> Simon4: do I have to enable syslog receiving in Zenoss?
[21-Dec-2010 14:11:54] <Simon4> axelilly: so long as zensyslog is running you should be fine
[21-Dec-2010 14:12:07] <Simon4> check $ZENHOME/logs/zensyslog.log
[21-Dec-2010 14:12:38] <rmatte> braynyac: well, he uses a custom perl script to collect the info, you can try but it's not simple to do.
[21-Dec-2010 14:12:52] <rmatte> braynyac: He's adding support for interfaces, LUNs, etc... soon
[21-Dec-2010 14:12:58] <braynyac> rmatte: that kinda stinks...k
[21-Dec-2010 14:13:23] <rmatte> braynyac: Zenoss Core had zero VMWare monitoring support a few months ago, just be happy that there's anything available lol
[21-Dec-2010 14:13:29] <axelilly> Simon4: file doesn't exist
[21-Dec-2010 14:13:30] <braynyac> rmatte: that was one of the reasons I like the esxtop script, it *should* be able to grab just about anything esxtop can see
[21-Dec-2010 14:13:44] <braynyac> rmatte: Indeed I am!  Very Very Very happy!
[21-Dec-2010 14:13:48] <rmatte> braynyac: yeh, it should, I don't know where you'd be going wrong with that one
[21-Dec-2010 14:14:02] <braynyac> k
[21-Dec-2010 14:14:03] <Simon4> axelilly: sorry, $ZENHOME/log
[21-Dec-2010 14:14:04] <rmatte> I've never tried the esxtop pack
[21-Dec-2010 14:14:05] <Simon4> not logs
[21-Dec-2010 14:14:30] <braynyac> rmatte: it's pretty slick, as long as you understand what the values mean
[21-Dec-2010 14:14:57] <rmatte> yeh
[21-Dec-2010 14:15:16] <braynyac> rmatte: the data in the zenpack you recommended is EXACTLY the data I'm trying to get esxtop to return
[21-Dec-2010 14:15:31] <rmatte> yeh, it's pretty good data
[21-Dec-2010 14:15:49] <rmatte> Eric's been using the enterprise vmware pack as a guideline of what to include
[21-Dec-2010 14:16:03] <rmatte> though it doesn't share any code with the enterprise pack obviously
[21-Dec-2010 14:16:04] <rmatte> lol
[21-Dec-2010 14:16:46] <axelilly> Simon4: looks like it's running, but it's not seeing any syslog activity.
[21-Dec-2010 14:16:51] <braynyac> rmatte: Nice!  that's the way to do it - build off someone else's hard work 
[21-Dec-2010 14:17:04] <rmatte> lol
[21-Dec-2010 14:17:14] <rmatte> well more reference than build off
[21-Dec-2010 14:17:15] <rmatte> but yeh
[21-Dec-2010 14:17:16] <Simon4> axelilly: you have set up devices to send syslog packets to the zenoss host, right?
[21-Dec-2010 14:18:53] <braynyac> rmatte: Thanks a ton for the help, I'm working on installing it now.  Hopefully between the two, I'll get the data I'm looking for =)
[21-Dec-2010 14:21:24] <axelilly> Simon4: I fixed it....duh, forgot to allow UDP 514 inbound in the zenoss firewall
[21-Dec-2010 14:21:36] <Simon4> axelilly: excellent 
[21-Dec-2010 14:22:40] <axelilly> Simon4: so what severity level do you usually send in from network devices?
[21-Dec-2010 14:23:23] <Simon4> axelilly: I've found that the severity that cisco syslogs at isn't too bad, and we event transform anything that we don't agree with at the zenoss end
[21-Dec-2010 14:24:03] <axelilly> Simon4: yea, I mean though what trap level do you set on the cisco device to send over to zenoss?  Informational, debug?
[21-Dec-2010 14:24:32] <Simon4> ah, lemme check
[21-Dec-2010 14:24:56] <Simon4> logging trap notifications
[21-Dec-2010 14:25:32] <axelilly> Simon4: cool
[21-Dec-2010 14:31:04] <braynyac> what are the new features / benefits of Avalon over 3?
[21-Dec-2010 14:33:49] <braynyac> rmatte: do the devices need to be named the FQDN, or just the NETBIOS name?
[21-Dec-2010 14:34:52] <nyeates> braynyac: see our blog for a entry about product roadmap that explains some of what avalon has in store
[21-Dec-2010 14:35:13] <braynyac> nyeates: will do!  Thanks =)
[21-Dec-2010 14:35:49] <nyeates> additional roadmap blogs are planned to be released.
[21-Dec-2010 14:36:17] <nyeates> ZEC is a huge avalon plus - event processing that will be much more scalable and easier to handle
[21-Dec-2010 14:38:03] <nyeates> appologies, its not called ZEC....but there are currently planned to be many updates to the event processing architecture
[21-Dec-2010 14:41:43] <Sam-I-Am> meh, really wish zenoss wasnt such a resource hog
[21-Dec-2010 14:42:21] <axelilly> Simon4: strange, I set IOS to log all commands, but they never show up in zenoss.
[21-Dec-2010 14:42:25] <Sam-I-Am> its not playing well on this vm cluster...
[21-Dec-2010 14:42:54] <Simon4> axelilly: are they logging on the device?
[21-Dec-2010 14:43:03] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: memory and IO
[21-Dec-2010 14:43:22] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: yeah, mainly
[21-Dec-2010 14:43:23] <axelilly> Simon4: yea, as severity 5
[21-Dec-2010 14:43:36] <axelilly> Simon4: does zenoss filter out log lines?
[21-Dec-2010 14:43:39] <Sam-I-Am> when the collection runs the thing more or less grinds to a halt
[21-Dec-2010 14:43:42] <Simon4> axelilly: not that I know of
[21-Dec-2010 14:43:45] <Sam-I-Am> and this is not a small box
[21-Dec-2010 14:43:47] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: how many devices?
[21-Dec-2010 14:43:49] <axelilly> Simon4: strange
[21-Dec-2010 14:44:04] <Sam-I-Am> probably 30 at this point
[21-Dec-2010 14:44:21] <Simon4> damn, what's the IOwait when a collection happens?
[21-Dec-2010 14:44:24] <Simon4> and what size is your vm?
[21-Dec-2010 14:44:29] <nyeates> i think there is a perfomance tips guide out there....lemme dig it up
[21-Dec-2010 14:44:50] <Sam-I-Am> its not that bad
[21-Dec-2010 14:44:55] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: size of what part?
[21-Dec-2010 14:45:15] <axelilly> Simon4: do you have archive turned on?
[21-Dec-2010 14:45:47] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, iowait is hitting 100%
[21-Dec-2010 14:45:49] <Simon4> axelilly: I don't believe so, and I don't log all commands
[21-Dec-2010 14:46:31] <axelilly> Simon4: it looks like zenoss might be filtering syslog data.
[21-Dec-2010 14:46:37] <nyeates> docs/DOC-10163 Zenoss Performance Tuning
[21-Dec-2010 14:46:39] <Sam-I-Am> vm has 8 gigs of ram and 2 vcpu
[21-Dec-2010 14:47:16] <nyeates> iowait is hitting 100 means your disk is not keeping up ussually
[21-Dec-2010 14:47:19] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: if IO is hitting 100% it feels like your vm has been given very contested disk
[21-Dec-2010 14:47:20] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: thanks
[21-Dec-2010 14:47:31] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: which is weird since its the only vm on the cluster right now
[21-Dec-2010 14:47:52] <Simon4> I have boxes with raid-1 collecting for hundreds of devices that hit about 30% iowait and it worries me
[21-Dec-2010 14:48:03] <Simon4> 100% is def something to worry about
[21-Dec-2010 14:48:27] <Sam-I-Am> guess i'll go poke the sysadmin 
[21-Dec-2010 14:48:32] <nyeates> you will want to look at your storage specifics....i think that there are contention and qos storage settings in VM that you may be able to mess with
[21-Dec-2010 14:48:46] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: yeah, i think that might be the ticket here.
[21-Dec-2010 14:48:56] <Sam-I-Am> it was just weird to see an issue with only 30 devices
[21-Dec-2010 14:49:09] <Sam-I-Am> ram is not an issue, which is good.
[21-Dec-2010 14:49:14] <nyeates> glad we could be of help
[21-Dec-2010 14:49:20] <Simon4> I was surprised to see 100% IOwait with 30 devices, for sure
[21-Dec-2010 14:50:38] <Sam-I-Am> i'm not sure about the specifics behind the storage on this thing... i just know its iscsi
[21-Dec-2010 14:52:39] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: I haven't forgotten my promise re: render url's either - I've been sick for the last 4 days so am playing catchup a whole bunch
[21-Dec-2010 14:53:43] <Sam-I-Am> eeew
[21-Dec-2010 14:53:48] <Sam-I-Am> there's some nasty going around here too
[21-Dec-2010 14:53:58] <Simon4> yeah, this was quality :/
[21-Dec-2010 14:53:58] <braynyac> yeah, here too (I know, I have it)
[21-Dec-2010 14:54:00] <Sam-I-Am> people seem to be in the mood of giving this season
[21-Dec-2010 14:54:11] <Sam-I-Am> we have sick days, but they come to the office anyway
[21-Dec-2010 14:54:24] <braynyac> worst decision EVER
[21-Dec-2010 14:56:17] <rmatte> lol
[21-Dec-2010 14:57:08] <axelilly> Simon4: it looks like if zenoss receives a syslog entry that it doesn't have a map for, it just throws it away.
[21-Dec-2010 14:57:31] <Simon4> axelilly: nahh, it should be filing it in /Unknown but still tagged to the device that sent it
[21-Dec-2010 14:57:59] <axelilly> Simon4: my zenoss is just eating them.
[21-Dec-2010 14:58:13] <axelilly> Simon4: nothing gets flagged as unknown
[21-Dec-2010 14:59:39] <axelilly> Simon4: I wonder if unknown is disabled or somthing
[21-Dec-2010 15:01:01] <axelilly> Simon4: do you get any unknowns?
[21-Dec-2010 15:01:19] <Simon4> yeah, anything we haven't mapped
[21-Dec-2010 15:01:36] <axelilly> man, what's going on?
[21-Dec-2010 15:02:03] <Simon4> I would be double checking my kit to make sure it's actually sending the messages, or maybe getting tcpdump out on the zenoss box interface to see whether a) it's sending them or b) they're getting to the box
[21-Dec-2010 15:02:21] <axelilly> good idea on tcpdump, trying that out
[21-Dec-2010 15:10:17] <axelilly> Simon4: yes, just verified via tcpdump that zenoss receives the syslog message
[21-Dec-2010 15:10:28] <axelilly> Simon4: however, it never shows up anywhere in zenoss
[21-Dec-2010 15:10:44] <Simon4> axelilly: wierd :/
[21-Dec-2010 15:11:21] <rmatte> Simon4: what level is the syslog?
[21-Dec-2010 15:11:40] <rmatte> errr
[21-Dec-2010 15:11:46] <rmatte> axelilly: that was directed at you
[21-Dec-2010 15:11:52] <axelilly> rmatte: local7
[21-Dec-2010 15:12:00] <Simon4> rmatte: axelilly: Simon4: yea, as severity 5
[21-Dec-2010 15:12:04] <rmatte> that's your problem, the default lowest level is 6
[21-Dec-2010 15:12:20] <rmatte> axelilly: go to the daemons section and click edit config for zensyslog
[21-Dec-2010 15:12:24] <rmatte> you'll see that it's set to 6
[21-Dec-2010 15:12:28] <axelilly> rmatte: ah ha!
[21-Dec-2010 15:12:33] <Simon4> rmatte win 
[21-Dec-2010 15:12:35] <rmatte> you can lower it, but you'll be sorry if you do
[21-Dec-2010 15:12:39] <rmatte> 
[21-Dec-2010 15:12:55] <axelilly> rmatte: why?
[21-Dec-2010 15:13:04] <rmatte> because below level 6 is very noisy
[21-Dec-2010 15:13:15] <rmatte> be prepared to tune like crazy if you have a lot of devices sending syslogs to it
[21-Dec-2010 15:13:32] <axelilly> rmatte: ah, and it can't be set per device?
[21-Dec-2010 15:17:44] <axelilly> alrighty then 
[21-Dec-2010 15:21:05] <npmccallum> Simon4: sorry I haven't gotten back to you yet, its still on my todo list
[21-Dec-2010 15:21:27] <Simon4> npmccallum: no worries, it's christmas, the wolves are somewhat on holiday 
[21-Dec-2010 15:22:14] * Simon4 should be one of these days
[21-Dec-2010 15:30:16] <mray> npmccallum: quick question, does zenbatchload have the smarts to not remodel something that is loaded but unchanged?
[21-Dec-2010 15:30:54] <npmccallum> mray: IDK
[21-Dec-2010 15:31:02] <mray> fair enough
[21-Dec-2010 15:31:31] <mray> I'm making progress on my zenoss cookbook for Chef and I'm thinking of ways to update the server as new devices come online
[21-Dec-2010 15:31:55] <mray> I figured I'd use zenbatchload because I'm worried about the REST api getting slammed if I try to add 500 devices at the same time
[21-Dec-2010 15:32:37] <mray> AFAIK there isn't a queueing mechanism there
[21-Dec-2010 15:33:41] <rocket> zenbatchload --nomodel
[21-Dec-2010 15:33:59] <rocket> you can then have the regular daemon pick it up later
[21-Dec-2010 15:34:08] <mray> rocket: yeah, but I want things to get modeled when they're added the first time
[21-Dec-2010 15:34:12] <Simon4> zendisc won't remodel someting that exists
[21-Dec-2010 15:34:18] <Simon4> unless you tell it to
[21-Dec-2010 15:34:34] <mray> Simon4: thanks, that's what I was hoping for
[21-Dec-2010 15:34:56] <npmccallum> Simon4: that's true, I'm just not sure if zenbatchload is calling zendisc exclusively, or if it is calling zenmodel directly
[21-Dec-2010 15:35:15] <Simon4> npmccallum: yeah, I've never used zenbatchload, I've just scripted zendisc
[21-Dec-2010 15:35:39] <npmccallum> same here
[21-Dec-2010 15:36:02] <mray> I'll let you know what I find when I find out 
[21-Dec-2010 15:36:39] <mray> so far I've got the server installing, putting in a couple zenpacks and putting the pubkey on the clients so they can be monitored via SSH
[21-Dec-2010 15:38:22] <mray> next will be adding devices, I just want to make sure I don't DOS the zenoss server if someone were to add 500 devices at the same time. zenbatchload solves that, but I don't want to remodel everything everytime
[21-Dec-2010 15:39:25] <rocket> zenbatchload is slow though matt ..
[21-Dec-2010 15:39:43] <rocket> especially if you are planning on just appending to the batch loading file etc
[21-Dec-2010 15:40:04] <Simon4> mray: wouldn't you have a device register itself when it's built/configured via chef?
[21-Dec-2010 15:40:11] <mray> Simon4: yes
[21-Dec-2010 15:40:35] <mray> Simon4: and the server will build it's zenbatchload list on a chef-client run
[21-Dec-2010 15:40:38] <mray> via search
[21-Dec-2010 15:41:07] <mray> find any devices to be monitored, using Roles for their Device Class and Systems
[21-Dec-2010 15:41:28] <rocket> I guess I would do two things ... a small zendmd snippet that gets the list of devices and dump that to a file
[21-Dec-2010 15:41:30] <mray> so attributes on the Roles will map to zProperties
[21-Dec-2010 15:41:52] <rocket> and then compare new to old and only add the new ones via zenbatchload
[21-Dec-2010 15:42:02] <mray> rocket: hmmm… interesting idea
[21-Dec-2010 15:42:14] <mray> but how does that handle remodeling based on changes?
[21-Dec-2010 15:42:27] <mray> like if a box is no longer providing a particular application?
[21-Dec-2010 15:42:46] <Simon4> mray: so you want the chef run to trigger a model anyway?
[21-Dec-2010 15:42:55] <Simon4> (if something happens)
[21-Dec-2010 15:43:00] <mray> No, I only want to model if something changes
[21-Dec-2010 15:43:09] <mray> so obviously "New"
[21-Dec-2010 15:43:30] <rocket> mray: if chef did work update a file that says "I changed" have zenoss remodel.
[21-Dec-2010 15:44:07] <mray> yeah, I may end up with something like that
[21-Dec-2010 15:44:15] <rocket> ideally performance in this case wouldnt be an issue .. but you are right ddos is a possibility ..
[21-Dec-2010 15:44:29] <mray> rocket: which is why I can't use the REST API 
[21-Dec-2010 15:44:39] <rocket> are you sure the rest api will remodel?
[21-Dec-2010 15:44:43] <Simon4> call "collectDevice" via the API, but you would need it to be very async
[21-Dec-2010 15:44:45] <mray> there's a call for it
[21-Dec-2010 15:44:49] <Simon4> presuming it's exposed
[21-Dec-2010 15:44:58] <mray> It is, I know I've done it
[21-Dec-2010 15:45:03] <mray> I just have to find it again
[21-Dec-2010 15:45:17] <Simon4> mray: dev.collectDevice() in dmd at least
[21-Dec-2010 15:45:45] <mray> Simon4: yeah, I've already got a zendmd lightweight resource provider in my Zenoss cookbook, so I can make zendmd calls
[21-Dec-2010 15:45:58] <rocket> mray: I would put in a defect if the api cant handle batch loading of devices in a sane way
[21-Dec-2010 15:46:24] <mray> rocket: there probably is a call for doing a batch, but my problem is each device will be checking itself in
[21-Dec-2010 15:46:35] <rocket> mray: I would look at using the json side if at all possible .. you know as well as I the changes happening inside right now
[21-Dec-2010 15:46:53] <Simon4> mray: possibly use hte zenjobs api (if there is one?)
[21-Dec-2010 15:47:02] <Simon4> v3 seems to use that for adding/modelling devices
[21-Dec-2010 15:47:10] <mray> Simon4: I haven't seen that listed in the JSON API
[21-Dec-2010 15:47:12] <Simon4> it might go a way to queue tasks vs DOS'ing things
[21-Dec-2010 15:47:24] <Simon4> mray: code it? 
[21-Dec-2010 15:47:26] <mray> yeah, maybe I need to wait for the Developer IRC chat 
[21-Dec-2010 16:06:16] <davetoo> mray: I think I've seen somebody do that kind of thing with event transforms
[21-Dec-2010 16:06:33] <mray> davetoo: hmm… that is ringing a bell
[21-Dec-2010 16:06:40] <davetoo> they wrote a transform that called the right python widgets to do the remodel,
[21-Dec-2010 16:06:48] <davetoo> and a shell script to send that event class
[21-Dec-2010 16:10:15] <LarsN> I need a bit of advice.  I currently have three public netblocks, a /24,/25,& /26.  We currently maintain a table in a Trac Wiki that lists which server/VPS (and usually a weburl) associated with each assigned IP address.  If I wanted to make Zenoss a one stop clearing house for all things related to a server / IP.  How would you manage getting the information we have into zenoss?
[21-Dec-2010 16:11:19] <LarsN> it doesn't need to auto-populate the list.  Although that'd be pretty cool:)  I imagine we'd like to be able to run a report later that would output a .csv or similar file with the data.
[21-Dec-2010 16:16:17] brandonleach_ is now known as brandonleach
[21-Dec-2010 16:26:42] <trialbyfire> what's the default install directory? running ver 3.0.3 on centos 5.5 x86_64
[21-Dec-2010 16:28:43] <rmatte> trialbyfire: it depends on what installer you used
[21-Dec-2010 16:29:11] <rmatte> stack installer installs to /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss, rpm installs to /opt/zenoss (I believe)
[21-Dec-2010 16:29:13] <rmatte> etc...
[21-Dec-2010 16:30:14] <Simon4> trialbyfire: check $ZENHOME when the zenoss suer
[21-Dec-2010 16:30:14] <trialbyfire> it was the rpm, thanks rmatte
[21-Dec-2010 16:30:16] <Simon4> user even
[21-Dec-2010 16:30:50] <trialbyfire> i'll check that also- thanks Simon4
[21-Dec-2010 16:32:01] <rmatte> yeh, $ZENHOME is the best reference
[21-Dec-2010 16:32:38] <davetoo> does Egor's distributed pack move the RRDFiles to the remote as well?
[21-Dec-2010 16:32:49] <rmatte> davetoo: yes
[21-Dec-2010 16:32:58] <rmatte> I think it uses rsync or scp or something
[21-Dec-2010 16:33:25] <davetoo> I'm looking at the code; it uses zenoss features
[21-Dec-2010 16:33:32] <rmatte> ah ok, even better
[21-Dec-2010 16:33:38] <rmatte> I know he was thinking of using rsync before
[21-Dec-2010 16:33:44] <rmatte> but I guess he found something better
[21-Dec-2010 16:33:47] <davetoo> self.dmd.RenderServer.unpackageRRDFiles(self.id)
[21-Dec-2010 16:34:10] <davetoo> I think that's a relatively new function in Core to support the Enterprise packs
[21-Dec-2010 16:34:23] <davetoo> I'm still not sure where his log messages go, though
[21-Dec-2010 16:34:54] <rmatte> log messages?
[21-Dec-2010 16:35:08] <rmatte> they should go to the log files on the collectors?
[21-Dec-2010 16:35:10] <Simon4> davetoo: there are a bunch of "sending RRD files around the place" functions in the renderserver code
[21-Dec-2010 16:35:15] <Simon4> but I haven't seen them used yet
[21-Dec-2010 16:35:17] <rmatte> ah
[21-Dec-2010 16:35:28] <Simon4> (even in enterprise)
[21-Dec-2010 16:35:36] <davetoo> well Egor's using them 
[21-Dec-2010 16:35:51] <Simon4> when changing the collector for a device?
[21-Dec-2010 16:36:06] <davetoo> looks like it.  I'm going to verify
[21-Dec-2010 16:36:27] * Simon4 wanted enterprise to do that, but had to script around it
[21-Dec-2010 16:36:47] <Simon4> that or it's doing it and failing lots in our install
[21-Dec-2010 16:37:36] <rmatte> every second, of every day, someone, somewhere, is swearing...
[21-Dec-2010 16:37:38] <rmatte> at Zenoss
[21-Dec-2010 16:37:42] <davetoo> hah
[21-Dec-2010 16:37:49] <rmatte> 
[21-Dec-2010 16:37:53] <davetoo> I was, yesterday
[21-Dec-2010 16:37:58] <Simon4> rmatte: it's funny cos it's true 
[21-Dec-2010 16:37:59] <rmatte> I love it and all but sometimes it's the bane of my existence
[21-Dec-2010 16:38:25] <davetoo> now I'm grabbing Wireshark to figure out exactly who does the DNS resolving for the Renderserver URLs
[21-Dec-2010 16:38:48] <Simon4> pff wireshark, just tcpdump -s0 -A -vv it 
[21-Dec-2010 16:39:04] <Simon4> yeah, i've had a day of tcpdump today
[21-Dec-2010 16:39:05] <davetoo> I don't read hex
[21-Dec-2010 16:39:13] <rmatte> tcpdump is fun
[21-Dec-2010 16:40:35] <davetoo> I need another (third) monitor here
[21-Dec-2010 16:40:51] <rmatte> you can get tcpdump to dump it in text instead of hex 
[21-Dec-2010 16:41:24] <Simon4>  -A being that option
[21-Dec-2010 16:41:29] <rmatte> yop
[21-Dec-2010 16:42:04] <davetoo> hmm
[21-Dec-2010 16:42:14] <davetoo> wonder what Windows vista UAC will do with winpcap
[21-Dec-2010 16:43:17] * Simon4 evilly hopes for a dimmed screen and a prompt per packet
[21-Dec-2010 16:53:37] <davetoo> so the browser client pulls directly from the renderserver.
[21-Dec-2010 16:53:44] <davetoo> For the remote collector.
[21-Dec-2010 16:56:44] * Simon4 has a blog post happening about that whole render url thing, but it's a day or two away
[21-Dec-2010 16:56:55] <mray> hey rmatte, is there a post-3.0.3 recommended patchlist somewhere?
[21-Dec-2010 16:57:17] <Simon4> we made a few changes to the code to make it a bit more sane in distributed environments
[21-Dec-2010 16:57:59] <davetoo> $client isn't happy with the security implications
[21-Dec-2010 16:58:30] <davetoo> the master ought to be configurable as a proxy
[21-Dec-2010 16:59:53] <Simon4> davetoo: yeah, is exactly what $blog_post is about
[21-Dec-2010 16:59:56] <Simon4> incl how to do it
[21-Dec-2010 17:00:07] <davetoo> where are you posting it to?
[21-Dec-2010 17:00:27] <Simon4> nettikconsulting.wordpress.com - but I'll let you know anyway
[21-Dec-2010 17:00:44] <Simon4> I was writing it up for Sam-I-Am  anyway
[21-Dec-2010 17:01:27] <davetoo> gah. Jira wiki editor sucks.
[21-Dec-2010 17:02:01] <rmatte> mray: I haven't made one since I haven't really been using 3.0.3 for anything more than testing
[21-Dec-2010 17:02:07] <mray> ok, thanks
[21-Dec-2010 17:02:26] <mray> I was just wondering if there was a list of recommended patches, since 3.0.4 is unlikely
[21-Dec-2010 17:02:46] <rmatte> yeh, I will be making a list since I'm tracking most of the nastiest bugs
[21-Dec-2010 17:02:55] <rmatte> but the majority aren't fixed yet
[21-Dec-2010 17:03:46] <mray> hmmm… docs/DOC-8511 could be updated to reflect 3.0.3
[21-Dec-2010 17:05:19] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: thanks 
[21-Dec-2010 17:06:59] * Simon4 has tomorrow morning blocked out for trying to get that stuff finished 
[21-Dec-2010 17:07:47] <davetoo> Simon4: can you give me a couple of sentences about how you deal with direct renderserver access issue?
[21-Dec-2010 17:08:41] <Simon4> davetoo: we modified the code so there was a "external render url" also in a collector configuration which was presented to the client for drawing graphs, and then httpd on the master server would use that url encoding to mod_proxy the request to the appropriate renderserver
[21-Dec-2010 17:09:05] <Simon4> that way the "render url" would still work for such things as zope trying to getRRDValue() to a renderserver
[21-Dec-2010 17:09:21] <davetoo> wow
[21-Dec-2010 17:09:37] <davetoo> This has got to have been a problem for people before, no?
[21-Dec-2010 17:09:46] <Simon4> see, I thought so too
[21-Dec-2010 17:10:16] <davetoo> This could be a showstopper.
[21-Dec-2010 17:10:36] <davetoo> At the last place I didn't have to worry because it was all "inside"
[21-Dec-2010 17:11:05] <Simon4> the other epic showstopper is if you hide your zenoss behind a ssl httpd, or NAT, etc
[21-Dec-2010 17:11:08] <Simon4> the same issues aries
[21-Dec-2010 17:11:11] <Simon4> arise
[21-Dec-2010 17:22:02] <mray> Zenoss Cookbook 0.4 is now complete: https://github.com/mattray/cookbooks/blob/master/zenoss/TODO.txt
[21-Dec-2010 17:22:20] <mray> next step… adding clients
[21-Dec-2010 17:22:27] <mray> and zenpatches
[21-Dec-2010 17:25:50] <wobblyonions> guys, if I wanted to schedule a backup each night of ALL of Zenoss what would you suggest is the best things to backup, I have instaleld using the stack installer by the way
[21-Dec-2010 17:26:24] <Simon4> cron up zenbackup
[21-Dec-2010 17:26:46] <Simon4> it'lll get a) the zopedb, b) the mysql db and c) the rrd files
[21-Dec-2010 17:26:54] <Simon4> which are the three critical things
[21-Dec-2010 17:36:19] <wobblyonions> ok great thanks Simon4 I will do that now and see how it goes I think
[21-Dec-2010 17:38:13] <Simon4> wobblyonions: check out the command-line options (--help) to make sure it's doing what you want etc
[21-Dec-2010 17:48:40] <wobblyonions> yeah I will do thanks Simon4 Im hoping I can make some changes to it as I dont have enough space in /tmp :-)
[21-Dec-2010 17:48:58] <Simon4> wobblyonions: that one's easy --temp-dir foo
[21-Dec-2010 17:49:31] <Simon4> --temp-dir=foo even
[21-Dec-2010 17:49:37] <wobblyonions> taking a look at it now :-)
[21-Dec-2010 17:51:00] <wobblyonions> really not 100% happy with this Stack install at all, this whole thing of a seperate sql instance drives me mad
[21-Dec-2010 17:51:19] <Simon4> wobblyonions: I just use the RPM install with our own mysql
[21-Dec-2010 17:53:36] <rmatte> 1.8GB of RRD files on one of my Zenoss boxes
[21-Dec-2010 17:54:32] <wobblyonions> yip wishing I had done that as well , well the deb install anyways if there is one, thinking of installing on a new server in fact now this is driving me 100% mental now
[21-Dec-2010 17:55:30] <rmatte> there is a deb install
[21-Dec-2010 17:55:39] <rmatte> it's just the stack installer wrapped up in a deb
[21-Dec-2010 17:55:45] <rmatte> I personally just use the plain stack installer
[21-Dec-2010 17:56:33] <rmatte> but I don't install Zenoss on boxes already running MySQL 
[21-Dec-2010 17:56:48] <rmatte> Zenoss is pretty intensive, best to give it it's own MySQL instance
[21-Dec-2010 17:58:31] <rmatte> http://oi55.tinypic.com/33cw0lv.jpg
[21-Dec-2010 17:58:38] <rmatte> now that's an aggregate network graph 
[21-Dec-2010 17:58:53] <rmatte> it's graphing the 64bit interfaces now too since I changed the datasource/datapoint names
[21-Dec-2010 17:59:46] <rmatte> glad to have that over with
[21-Dec-2010 18:08:56] * davetoo looks for the page with the firewall settings...
[21-Dec-2010 18:09:06] <davetoo> but wonders if that page took distributed collectors into account
[21-Dec-2010 18:09:23] <rmatte> it should have
[21-Dec-2010 18:09:39] <rmatte> I think it's just port 8091 for distrib collectors
[21-Dec-2010 18:09:49] <rmatte> and possibly 8090
[21-Dec-2010 18:12:47] <davetoo> seems about right
[21-Dec-2010 18:13:52] <davetoo> ok I'm relocating to the home office :)O
[21-Dec-2010 18:14:01] <rmatte> I'm relocating to the bar
[21-Dec-2010 18:14:02] <rmatte> ttyl
[21-Dec-2010 18:14:36] <wvcain> (re) installing ZenOSS on Ubuntu via the package installer.  It is hanging at "loading default data into database" & 100% in progress bar.  How long should I wait?
[21-Dec-2010 18:14:48] <wvcain> is there a process or file I can check.
[21-Dec-2010 18:15:01] <rmatte> wvcain: it's not actually at 100%
[21-Dec-2010 18:15:12] <rmatte> it's at like 99%
[21-Dec-2010 18:15:20] <rmatte> give it a bit
[21-Dec-2010 18:15:21] <wvcain> five nines if you will
[21-Dec-2010 18:15:25] <rmatte> it can take like 15 to 20 mins
[21-Dec-2010 18:15:42] <wvcain> Cool, I have 45 mins left.
[21-Dec-2010 18:16:11] <wvcain> But where Can I check'; can I do a select against zoDB at this time?
[21-Dec-2010 18:16:34] <rmatte> nah, you just have to wait
[21-Dec-2010 18:16:41] <rmatte> trust me, that's completely normal
[21-Dec-2010 18:16:46] <rmatte> don't kill it, it'll finish
[21-Dec-2010 18:17:24] <wvcain> I know it's normal.  I just like to feel a pulse.
[21-Dec-2010 18:17:29] <rmatte> lol
[21-Dec-2010 18:17:51] <rmatte> you can always run strace against the build process
[21-Dec-2010 18:18:12] <rmatte> strace -p <pid>
[21-Dec-2010 18:18:38] <wvcain> EXCELLENT.... I grabbed the pid when I start this!
[21-Dec-2010 18:18:54] <wvcain> PID of the installer or PID of the ?
[21-Dec-2010 18:19:15] <rmatte> you'd have to figure out which process is actually building the database at the moment
[21-Dec-2010 18:19:25] <rmatte> do "top" and see what is taking up the most resources
[21-Dec-2010 18:19:29] <rmatte> good chance it'll be that
[21-Dec-2010 18:19:34] <wvcain> It's the Zope DB right; MYSQL is for events?
[21-Dec-2010 18:19:39] <rmatte> strace -v -f -s 2048 -p <pid>
[21-Dec-2010 18:19:44] <rmatte> is the full strace command I usually use
[21-Dec-2010 18:19:51] <rmatte> the Zope DB, yes
[21-Dec-2010 18:20:03] <rmatte> MySQL is only for events, correct
[21-Dec-2010 18:20:34] <rmatte> though in the next release everything will be in MySQL since they are using a layer called relstorage that allows Zope to store it's database in MySQL
[21-Dec-2010 18:22:15] <wvcain> Will the relstorage mangle names in the database or can I go direct w/ my SQL select...
[21-Dec-2010 18:22:51] <rmatte> I have no idea, haven't seen it
[21-Dec-2010 18:23:02] <rmatte> though I'd imagine it will store stuff in a relatively clear fashion
[21-Dec-2010 18:23:20] <wvcain> I suspect not.  ORMs tend to mess with you.
[21-Dec-2010 18:23:31] <rmatte> yeh
[21-Dec-2010 18:33:27] <wvcain> this process appears to be in a loop... /usr/local/zenoss/python/bin/.python.bin /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/zenbuild.py -s localhost -u zenoss -p zenoss -d events -t 3307
[21-Dec-2010 18:33:46] <wvcain> [pid  3880] select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {0, 50000}) = 0 (Timeout) over and over again...
[21-Dec-2010 18:34:06] <rmatte> hmmm
[21-Dec-2010 18:34:14] <rmatte> did you try with -v -f -s 2048
[21-Dec-2010 18:34:16] <rmatte> ?
[21-Dec-2010 18:34:21] <wvcain> Will let it run over night..
[21-Dec-2010 18:34:31] <wvcain> strace -v -f -s 2048 -p 3880
[21-Dec-2010 18:34:36] <rmatte> k
[21-Dec-2010 18:34:50] <rmatte> that timeout thing is normal by the way
[21-Dec-2010 18:34:57] <rmatte> that's just garbage, doesn't mean anything
[21-Dec-2010 18:35:10] <rmatte> It's basically keepalives for the process
[21-Dec-2010 18:35:17] <wvcain> Cool tool, lots to see and learn.  Have a good night.  (your east or west coast)
[21-Dec-2010 18:36:27] <rmatte> east
[21-Dec-2010 18:36:30] <rmatte> you too
[21-Dec-2010 18:36:46] <wvcain> West... go home my friend.  Bye
[21-Dec-2010 18:36:53] <rmatte> headed to the bar shortly 
[21-Dec-2010 18:36:54] <rmatte> bye
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[22-Dec-2010 05:23:40] <Simon4> woohoo, my guruplug server has arrived
[22-Dec-2010 09:17:38] <ericenns_> Simon4: awesome did you get the right power adapters
[22-Dec-2010 09:18:38] <Simon4> ericenns_: I did  much kudos for them getting me a UK one
[22-Dec-2010 09:19:05] <ericenns_> I got Euro ones, and I live in canada lol
[22-Dec-2010 09:19:18] <ericenns_> luckly I had an old laptop adapter cord which fit
[22-Dec-2010 09:19:30] <Simon4> heh doh
[22-Dec-2010 09:19:59] <ericenns_> haha yeah
[22-Dec-2010 09:20:35] <ericenns_> I tried putting zenoss on it but gave up when it didn't like my usb drive mounted as /usr/local/zenoss
[22-Dec-2010 09:20:45] <jb> erm, any zenoss folks here?
[22-Dec-2010 09:20:52] <Simon4> ericenns_: ouch, that would hurt resource-wise 
[22-Dec-2010 09:21:10] <rmatte> jb: npmccallum and rocket are, not sure if they are actually around
[22-Dec-2010 09:21:38] <ericenns_> Simon4: yeah, I figured it may work for simple zenpack development
[22-Dec-2010 09:21:51] <jb> Exception bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30977, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery') in  ignored
[22-Dec-2010 09:21:54] <jb> anybody seen this?
[22-Dec-2010 09:22:07] <rmatte> wow
[22-Dec-2010 09:22:12] <Simon4> that's a new one to me
[22-Dec-2010 09:22:16] <rmatte> where are you seeing that?
[22-Dec-2010 09:22:20] <jb> zenwinperf..
[22-Dec-2010 09:22:23] <jb> its so unstable.  ugh.
[22-Dec-2010 09:22:32] <rmatte> bsddb... sounds like something more bsd related than zope related
[22-Dec-2010 09:22:39] * rmatte scratches his head
[22-Dec-2010 09:23:45] <wvcain> Morning matt.  Left install running overnight and it never finished.  Did cancel and the backout never finished.  Time to clean up and try again.  Just thought you would like to closed loop.  BC
[22-Dec-2010 09:24:06] <Simon4> ericenns_: save me reading the manual, does this server come up on a specific ip? or as a dhcp client?
[22-Dec-2010 09:24:09] <rmatte> wvcain: that's really weird, you're installing via the deb?
[22-Dec-2010 09:24:24] <wvcain> deb/Ubuntu 10.4
[22-Dec-2010 09:24:33] <rmatte> try just installing from the plain stack installer
[22-Dec-2010 09:24:41] <rmatte> it's just a .bin file that you chmod +x then execute as root
[22-Dec-2010 09:25:04] <Sam-I-Am> morning guys
[22-Dec-2010 09:25:09] <wvcain> I am using the plain stack installer, the /bin file.  a chmod +x and go.
[22-Dec-2010 09:25:12] <rmatte> It'll be the same result as the deb, it just won't show up in dpkg
[22-Dec-2010 09:25:15] <rmatte> ah
[22-Dec-2010 09:25:22] <rmatte> ok
[22-Dec-2010 09:25:32] <rmatte> that's weird that it never finished
[22-Dec-2010 09:25:53] <rmatte> maybe something like apparmour is screwing it up
[22-Dec-2010 09:26:08] <rmatte> apparmor / selinux == pain in the arse
[22-Dec-2010 09:27:06] <wvcain> I have installed it on my system before.  May go down the VM road.  Like virutal box.
[22-Dec-2010 09:27:43] <rmatte> yeh, virtualbox is nice
[22-Dec-2010 09:29:31] <rmatte> afk for a few
[22-Dec-2010 09:29:36] <Sam-I-Am> hopefully oracle doesnt kill it
[22-Dec-2010 09:30:16] <wvcain> hopefully oracle gives mysql the love it needs.
[22-Dec-2010 09:34:46] <rocket> jb .. zenoss version?
[22-Dec-2010 09:35:38] <jb> fixed it
[22-Dec-2010 09:35:44] <jb> my support portal login wasn't working
[22-Dec-2010 09:35:48] <jb> it's 2.5.2
[22-Dec-2010 09:36:26] <rocket> jb if you have a support portal account there is a patch for 2.5.2 and zenwinperf if you havent already had it installed
[22-Dec-2010 09:36:27] <jb> i have had this problem before.. had to delete $ZENHOME/perf/Daemons/localhost/zenwinperf*.pickle and zenwinperf.* db.
[22-Dec-2010 09:36:51] <jb> I think I have already applied it.. I'll check
[22-Dec-2010 09:37:19] <rocket> yeah sounds like a zenwinperf.db corruption ..
[22-Dec-2010 09:38:44] <npmccallum> rmatte: I'm around now 
[22-Dec-2010 09:40:51] <rmatte> npmccallum: cool, I wasn't the one looking for you 
[22-Dec-2010 09:41:55] <rmatte> hmmm, out of all the ZenPacks out there, there's no Cisco PIX ZenPack
[22-Dec-2010 09:41:59] <rmatte> I do believe I shall make one
[22-Dec-2010 09:42:14] <npmccallum> ugh, PIX
[22-Dec-2010 09:43:49] <rmatte> My sentiments exactly
[22-Dec-2010 09:43:53] <rmatte> but I have no choice lol
[22-Dec-2010 09:44:02] <rmatte> ASA > PIX
[22-Dec-2010 09:45:26] <straterra> PIX make me want to stab kittens
[22-Dec-2010 09:45:33] <Sam-I-Am> well, found my i/o issue from yesterday
[22-Dec-2010 09:45:38] <Sam-I-Am> turns out there was a problem with the san
[22-Dec-2010 09:45:47] <Simon4> 
[22-Dec-2010 09:45:48] <Sam-I-Am> i was gonna say... polling 30 devices shouldnt kill the storage
[22-Dec-2010 09:46:43] <rmatte> hmmm, I can't find a rosetta stone for PIX
[22-Dec-2010 09:46:52] <rmatte> I need the OID for CPU, and any memory OIDs
[22-Dec-2010 09:48:51] <rmatte> aha, found the value for CPU, now I just need memory
[22-Dec-2010 09:52:07] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[22-Dec-2010 09:53:15] <rmatte> hmmm that's easy, the memory values are the same as the ones I used in the standard Cisco IOS template
[22-Dec-2010 09:53:25] <rmatte> so I just need to copy that template over and change the CPU OID and I'm done
[22-Dec-2010 09:55:10] <rmatte> now, time to mess around with some perl
[22-Dec-2010 09:55:12] * rmatte cringes
[22-Dec-2010 09:58:21] <rmatte> one thing I still don't understand in perl is "=>"
[22-Dec-2010 09:58:49] <rmatte> I know it's some way to pull data
[22-Dec-2010 10:15:20] <wvcain> Matt, the "=>" can be used for hash tables, rather than a comma.  It looks cleaner.  %foo = ("matt" => "east coast"); == %bar = ("matt" , "east coast");
[22-Dec-2010 10:16:06] <wvcain> And of course the % means hash.  I like python's data structure so much I switched.
[22-Dec-2010 10:23:33] <rmatte> My last name is Matte by the way, first name is Ryan 
[22-Dec-2010 10:23:54] <rmatte> ah ok
[22-Dec-2010 10:23:55] <wvcain> Ryan, it's my pleasure to correct my error.
[22-Dec-2010 10:24:03] <rmatte> 
[22-Dec-2010 10:24:18] <rmatte> I think I figured out the changes that I need to make to this perl script, fairly simple stuff
[22-Dec-2010 10:24:24] <rmatte> hopefully it doesn't blow anything up
[22-Dec-2010 10:36:12] <rmatte> weird, the memory OIDs that should work for this pix don't
[22-Dec-2010 10:36:26] <rmatte> oh wait nevermind they do
[22-Dec-2010 10:36:27] <rmatte> hmmm
[22-Dec-2010 10:38:12] <rmatte> interesting, when I run zenperfsnmp against this particular device it gets stuck
[22-Dec-2010 10:38:49] <rmatte> oh I think I know what it is
[22-Dec-2010 10:39:05] <rmatte> zMaxOIDPerRequest value probably
[22-Dec-2010 10:39:41] <rmatte> yup, that was it, figures
[22-Dec-2010 10:47:40] <mistich> hello all
[22-Dec-2010 10:47:45] <rmatte> aloha
[22-Dec-2010 10:48:08] <mistich> anyone know how to add a deviceClass relationship to a device that does not have one?
[22-Dec-2010 10:48:21] <mistich> need to do it in zendmd
[22-Dec-2010 10:48:43] <mistich> zenfixit didn't fix this one
[22-Dec-2010 10:49:16] <rmatte> hmmm, that's a weird one
[22-Dec-2010 10:49:23] <mistich> yeah I know
[22-Dec-2010 10:49:39] <rmatte> are you even able to view the device at all via the UI?
[22-Dec-2010 10:49:55] <rmatte> the device class is literally the path to the device in the db, so I don't see how one can even exist without it
[22-Dec-2010 10:50:11] * Simon4 has seen that before
[22-Dec-2010 10:50:18] <Simon4> is a pita
[22-Dec-2010 10:50:26] <mistich> yes but can't change the class or delete it when I go to manage then click deviceclass it says This relationship does not currently point to an object
[22-Dec-2010 10:50:38] <rmatte> I've seen devices that exist on the collector but not in the main DB before
[22-Dec-2010 10:50:51] <rmatte> ah ok, so it is visible, interesting
[22-Dec-2010 10:50:52] <mistich> so need to add the relationship to the device to a class
[22-Dec-2010 10:51:27] <rmatte> I think you'd be better off just removing it via zendmd and then adding it fresh
[22-Dec-2010 10:51:31] <rmatte> backup the RRD data for it
[22-Dec-2010 10:51:33] <mistich> so simon gow I fix it
[22-Dec-2010 10:51:38] <mistich> how
[22-Dec-2010 10:51:48] <rmatte> he said it's a pita, which I took to mean he doesn't know
[22-Dec-2010 10:51:56] <mistich> yeah can not delete it
[22-Dec-2010 10:52:07] <Simon4> it means "I'm trying to remember without bringing back the pain" 
[22-Dec-2010 10:52:13] <rmatte> ah
[22-Dec-2010 10:52:16] <mistich> 
[22-Dec-2010 10:52:26] <Simon4> mistich: give me a couple of mins
[22-Dec-2010 10:53:50] <mistich> ok thanks
[22-Dec-2010 10:53:56] <Simon4> mistich: you can try this in zendmd
[22-Dec-2010 10:54:00] <Simon4> dev = find('devname')
[22-Dec-2010 10:54:06] <mistich> done
[22-Dec-2010 10:54:26] <Simon4> dev.deviceClass.addRelation(dmd.Devices.Device.Class.Here)
[22-Dec-2010 10:55:17] <rmatte> ah, neato
[22-Dec-2010 10:55:32] <mistich> that worked
[22-Dec-2010 10:55:41] <Simon4> 
[22-Dec-2010 10:55:54] <rmatte> I'm going to save that in a txt file for later, I have a folder full of txt files with different fixes in them
[22-Dec-2010 10:56:06] <Simon4> rmatte: dev.perfServer.addRelation(dmd.Monitors.Performance.localhost)
[22-Dec-2010 10:56:11] <Simon4> is also useful if that relation breaks
[22-Dec-2010 10:56:17] <Simon4> the pattern works for most relation type things
[22-Dec-2010 10:56:19] <mistich> we all have the text files
[22-Dec-2010 10:56:27] <mistich> and the device is now deleted
[22-Dec-2010 10:56:55] <Simon4> we had zenoss crash half-way through removing a device
[22-Dec-2010 10:57:20] <Simon4> took me a fair while to work through all the relations and repair them before being able to remove it
[22-Dec-2010 10:57:20] <mistich> yeah ran it to this before but chet never told me how he fix it
[22-Dec-2010 10:57:31] <Simon4> was a learning experience, that's for sure 
[22-Dec-2010 10:57:44] <mistich> that needs to be added to zenfixit
[22-Dec-2010 10:59:01] <rmatte> yeh
[22-Dec-2010 12:02:40] <nyeates> dev chat tomorrow
[22-Dec-2010 12:02:45] <nyeates> at 11 est
[22-Dec-2010 12:02:57] <Simon4> nyeates: I have a guruplug server sitting on my desk - thank you!
[22-Dec-2010 12:03:45] <rmatte> lol, everyone in here is going to have guruplugs
[22-Dec-2010 12:04:18] <davetoo> good morning
[22-Dec-2010 12:07:15] <rocket> mistich: thats actually one we havent seen too often, only reason its not in our current zenfixit yet .. :/
[22-Dec-2010 12:07:59] <davetoo> what?
[22-Dec-2010 12:08:19] * davetoo wonders how different the current zenfixit is from the version I got a year ago
[22-Dec-2010 12:09:42] <Simon4> davetoo: quite a lot at a guess
[22-Dec-2010 12:10:18] <rocket> somewhat, it gets appended to depending on the fixes we find a need to add
[22-Dec-2010 12:10:36] <davetoo> rocket: I have a couple of fixes for you to add 
[22-Dec-2010 12:10:39] <mistich> where is the best place to get the newest zenfixit
[22-Dec-2010 12:11:01] <mistich> rocket I've seen it 2 or 3 times in the past
[22-Dec-2010 12:11:49] <rocket> mistich: if you have a support account its in the KB articles "Using zenfixit for common errors"
[22-Dec-2010 12:12:07] <rocket> davetoo: do you have the code already?  i can take a look at integrating it
[22-Dec-2010 12:12:14] <davetoo> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/5464   <-- missing 'devtypes' property on dmd.Devices and dmd.Devices.Server breaks ZMI and some zendmd functionality
[22-Dec-2010 12:12:34] <davetoo> not code, really, but the initial zodb load
[22-Dec-2010 12:14:28] <davetoo> I haven't yet figured out how devtpes is used to know what is the best way to fix it; I just use zendmd to add a list with a single two-null-string tuple
[22-Dec-2010 12:14:49] <davetoo> dmd.Devices.devtypes = [('','')]
[22-Dec-2010 12:15:31] <mistich> yeah I do but wasn't sure if that was the official spot.  thanks
[22-Dec-2010 12:16:35] <rocket> also
[22-Dec-2010 12:16:37] <rocket>             ('/Server/Windows', 'Windows Server', 'SNMP'),
[22-Dec-2010 12:16:37] <rocket>             ('/Server/Linux', 'Linux Server', 'SNMP'),
[22-Dec-2010 12:16:38] <rocket>             ('/Network', 'Generic Switch/Router', 'SNMP'),
[22-Dec-2010 12:16:55] <davetoo> rocket: who's that for?
[22-Dec-2010 12:17:11] <rocket> those are the other devtypes we set at the organizer level
[22-Dec-2010 12:17:12] <davetoo> oh
[22-Dec-2010 12:17:24] <davetoo> what uses that info?
[22-Dec-2010 12:18:13] <davetoo> my point is that something in the initial objects load is creating an inconsistent object that other Device methods barf on
[22-Dec-2010 12:19:12] <rocket> davetoo: it *shouldnt* but it has happened yes...
[22-Dec-2010 12:19:41] <rocket> devices.xml isnt loading properly on install for you? is that the correct understanding?
[22-Dec-2010 12:19:43] <davetoo> What do you think is the proper fix?  What I'm doing is fixing those in my post-install steps.
[22-Dec-2010 12:19:55] <davetoo> It is; everything works
[22-Dec-2010 12:20:08] <rocket> any tracebacks in the logs?
[22-Dec-2010 12:20:21] <rocket> is this a clean install or an upgrade?
[22-Dec-2010 12:20:23] <davetoo> but when I find the need to use ZMI at Devices or Devices.Server it causes that
[22-Dec-2010 12:20:25] <davetoo> clean
[22-Dec-2010 12:22:03] <davetoo> The traceback shown in the ticket is all that's produced; it's pretty clear.  The property is defined in the metadata but propertyItems() or whatever it calls can't handle not finding an attribute that's in the metadata
[22-Dec-2010 12:22:58] <davetoo> Maybe that's an OFS failing or ... ?  I'm prety confused about which of the properties stuff is Zenoss and which is Zope/OFS/etc/etc
[22-Dec-2010 12:24:01] <rocket> I am trying to replicate, 1 sec
[22-Dec-2010 12:26:11] <davetoo> Just try to use the ZMI at /Devices 
[22-Dec-2010 12:26:31] <davetoo> or in zendmd try dmd.Devices.propertyItems()
[22-Dec-2010 12:27:00] <rocket> davetoo: zenoss version you are using?
[22-Dec-2010 12:27:43] <davetoo> 3.0.3 Core but has happened in all versions since 2.4.3 (and maybe before)
[22-Dec-2010 12:27:52] <rocket> 2.4.0
[22-Dec-2010 12:28:05] <davetoo> I created that ticket when I was with an Enterprise customer
[22-Dec-2010 12:28:11] <davetoo> (am not currently)
[22-Dec-2010 12:28:21] <davetoo> so that was filed against Enterprise
[22-Dec-2010 12:30:19] <davetoo> anyway a quick fix would be to add that hack to zenfixit, I suppose   But since I'm not currently an Enterprise customer I won't get the benefit 
[22-Dec-2010 12:30:43] <rocket> hrmm really its an easy fix.  basically our Devices.xml doesnt contain a default at the / Level.
[22-Dec-2010 12:30:54] <davetoo> yep.
[22-Dec-2010 12:34:12] <rocket> try:
[22-Dec-2010 12:34:18] <rocket>    dmd.Devices.propertyItems()
[22-Dec-2010 12:34:23] <rocket> except:
[22-Dec-2010 12:34:39] <rocket>     dmd.Devices.register_devtype('','')
[22-Dec-2010 12:34:57] <rocket> add that to your post install and it will take care of it
[22-Dec-2010 12:35:30] <davetoo> ok.  What uses that property anyway?
[22-Dec-2010 12:36:47] <rocket> zope mainly it appears
[22-Dec-2010 12:37:39] <davetoo> *nod*
[22-Dec-2010 12:37:44] <rocket> zenmodeller probably as well
[22-Dec-2010 12:37:57] <rocket> code search for propertyItems ..
[22-Dec-2010 12:38:10] <davetoo> Given how useful ZMI can be to advanced users, will be nice to see this fixed.
[22-Dec-2010 12:38:24] <davetoo> I've not seen anybody else mention it, though.
[22-Dec-2010 12:38:38] <rocket> dont get too used to ZMI, it probably will be neutered over time ..
[22-Dec-2010 12:38:58] <Sam-I-Am> and replaced with what?
[22-Dec-2010 12:39:11] <rocket> aka people have done stupid things with it, that we would like to keep from happening...
[22-Dec-2010 12:39:30] <rocket> replaced with code that should do what people are going into zmi for .. eventually anyway
[22-Dec-2010 12:39:34] <davetoo> It often doesn't play well with Zenoss but it's good for looking at thngs,
[22-Dec-2010 12:39:43] <rocket> however there is a divide about how to do so etc ..
[22-Dec-2010 12:39:50] <davetoo> and I certainly need it for things like doing LDAP auth, etc.
[22-Dec-2010 12:40:14] <rocket> davetoo: it will always exist for that type of thing until we have a better way of doing that
[22-Dec-2010 12:40:43] <rocket> davetoo: I have updated your ticket
[22-Dec-2010 12:40:48] <davetoo> thanks
[22-Dec-2010 12:41:46] * davetoo is excited about RelStorage and RabbitMQ   Hoping Avalon is close to being on schedule.
[22-Dec-2010 12:41:56] <rocket> its behind at this point
[22-Dec-2010 12:42:19] <davetoo> *nod*
[22-Dec-2010 12:42:39] <rocket> we had to divert resources for a large customer request, letting it slip a bit
[22-Dec-2010 12:42:56] <rocket> bigger changes are in the works for the event console as well
[22-Dec-2010 12:42:56] <davetoo> I wish I knew which revs of Trunk are likely to be the most stable for exploring RelStorage, at least
[22-Dec-2010 12:43:32] <rocket> wouldnt touch trunk much at the moment, it will build but major features are likely still missing
[22-Dec-2010 12:43:58] <davetoo> *nod*
[22-Dec-2010 12:44:58] <davetoo> I've been trying to import the entire repo into Git but it blows up.  I dont' know how to use the import tool to start at a particular SVN rev without it automatically going all the way back to rev 1 the next time I use it.
[22-Dec-2010 12:50:15] <rocket> the entire repo into git is painful ..
[22-Dec-2010 12:50:25] <rocket> especially if you want the tags
[22-Dec-2010 12:50:40] <davetoo> I don't really want anything before 2.4.0 or so
[22-Dec-2010 12:51:59] <davetoo> Perhaps easier for me just to figure out how to use SVN vendor branches
[22-Dec-2010 12:52:03] <bigegor> WMI Windows Performance ZenPack version 2.5 is released
[22-Dec-2010 12:52:12] <davetoo> yay!
[22-Dec-2010 12:52:27] <rocket> davetoo: we usually do [svn-remote "trunk" ]
[22-Dec-2010 12:52:37] <rocket> davetoo: [svn-remote "25x" ]
[22-Dec-2010 12:52:48] <davetoo> bigegor: got a minute for a couple of questions about the distributed collector pack?
[22-Dec-2010 12:52:54] <rocket> then to get the latest code we do "git svn fetch trunk"
[22-Dec-2010 12:52:59] <bigegor> yes
[22-Dec-2010 12:53:04] <rocket> then to get the latest code we do "git svn fetch 25x"
[22-Dec-2010 12:53:45] <davetoo> bigegor: I notice that you build daemons.txt based on what's currently running on the master?  What if we're not monitoring *anything* on the master?
[22-Dec-2010 12:54:39] <davetoo> What I want to do is modify it to look for a file called "collectordaemons.txt" or similar
[22-Dec-2010 12:54:46] <davetoo> and copy that over instead
[22-Dec-2010 12:55:19] <bigegor> davetoo: i've thinked about this.
[22-Dec-2010 12:56:30] <bigegor> davetoo: it is big problem for you to have daemons running on muster?
[22-Dec-2010 12:56:47] <davetoo> (and also, I see some logging statements in the code but none of this is showing up in a browser dialog when I create a remote monitor.. should I be seeing stuff in the javascript widget?)
[22-Dec-2010 12:56:53] <davetoo> eh, not really.
[22-Dec-2010 12:57:04] <davetoo> If they're not doing anything they don't take up resources
[22-Dec-2010 12:57:19] <davetoo> but I like to simplify where I can
[22-Dec-2010 12:57:49] <davetoo> This is something I can fix easily myself but just wondered if you had thought about it.
[22-Dec-2010 12:57:51] <bigegor> davetoo: logging works in zenoss 2.5, but not in zenoss 3.x
[22-Dec-2010 12:57:58] <davetoo> interesting
[22-Dec-2010 12:58:56] <bigegor> davetoo: you can stoping daemons on the muster before 'remote collectors update'
[22-Dec-2010 12:59:27] <davetoo> Do you have a process/scriptlet for using it from the shell/command-line?  We're going to try to automate most things.
[22-Dec-2010 13:00:13] <davetoo> bigegor: I could do that, yes.
[22-Dec-2010 13:02:30] <davetoo> I am very pleased with the way you move the RRD files to the correct place 
[22-Dec-2010 13:02:57] <bigegor> davetoo: what things do you means?
[22-Dec-2010 13:04:10] <davetoo> I am consulting for a client who wants to be able to deploy a system with Distrbuted Collectors without having to log into the UI/web interface
[22-Dec-2010 13:05:51] <bigegor> davetoo: i think you can do this with zendmd
[22-Dec-2010 13:10:19] <davetoo> rocket: you still around?
[22-Dec-2010 13:10:28] <davetoo> new topic
[22-Dec-2010 13:16:43] <bigegor> davetoo:  try to run within zendmd: dmd.Monitors.manage_addRemoteMonitor('yourremotemonitorname')
[22-Dec-2010 13:17:21] <rocket> davetoo: ok
[22-Dec-2010 13:19:00] <davetoo> rocket:  Simon4 and I have been talkign about the fact that with Distributed Collectors, the browser talks directly to the Renderserver
[22-Dec-2010 13:19:19] <rocket> yea
[22-Dec-2010 13:19:19] <davetoo> which security policy at my current client won't allow
[22-Dec-2010 13:19:47] <davetoo> Simon has a workaround;
[22-Dec-2010 13:19:57] <davetoo> what are you guys thinking about this internally?
[22-Dec-2010 13:20:21] <rocket> it doesnt have to talk directly to the renderserver
[22-Dec-2010 13:20:36] <rocket> you can configure it to talk to the zenhub
[22-Dec-2010 13:20:45] <davetoo> oh??
[22-Dec-2010 13:21:31] <rocket> when zenrender starts zenhub opens a port to listen to
[22-Dec-2010 13:22:53] <rocket> http://zenhub:8090/remote_collector_id
[22-Dec-2010 13:22:53] <davetoo> ok I will go look for that
[22-Dec-2010 13:23:03] <rocket> change the render url to that
[22-Dec-2010 13:23:05] <davetoo> holy crap 
[22-Dec-2010 13:23:13] <rocket> zenrender has to be running for it to work
[22-Dec-2010 13:23:43] <davetoo> ok I'll test that
[22-Dec-2010 13:23:51] <rocket> should see port 8090 in use on your zenhub machine
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[22-Dec-2010 13:35:42] <timcharper> having a tremendously difficult time with Zenoss event commands... I am trying to follow the documentation, but I must be missing something obvious
[22-Dec-2010 13:36:21] <timcharper> I have a script that just dumps args and env variables, located here: /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/envdump
[22-Dec-2010 13:36:34] <timcharper> if I specify "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/envdump TRIGGER", it works, it executes it
[22-Dec-2010 13:37:11] <timcharper> if I specify "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/envdump TRIGGER ${device/id}", I get in the log "KeyError: 'device'"...
[22-Dec-2010 13:38:19] <timcharper> if I specify "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/envdump TRIGGER ${dev/id}", I get this in the log: "TraversalError: (None, 'id')"
[22-Dec-2010 13:38:40] <timcharper> according to the docs, id is an attribute for device.
[22-Dec-2010 13:39:00] <timcharper> I'm totally and completely frustrated... does anyone have some examples of valid event commands that use TALES attributes ?
[22-Dec-2010 13:39:03] <timcharper> we are running 2.5.2
[22-Dec-2010 13:41:53] <timcharper> never mind... I found this docs/DOC-7815
[22-Dec-2010 13:41:59] <timcharper> it cleared it up!
[22-Dec-2010 13:42:08] <davetoo> cool
[22-Dec-2010 13:42:16] <davetoo> I'm still confused by TALES
[22-Dec-2010 13:42:21] <timcharper> would be great to link something like that in the docs as the documentation, though high in quantity, is not high in clarity for those unfamiliar with it.
[22-Dec-2010 13:42:41] <timcharper> lol
[22-Dec-2010 13:52:42] <nyeates> Simon4: glad you got your guruplug intact! let me know if you do anything cool with it
[22-Dec-2010 13:56:18] <nyeates> imcharper: i had not seen that events to rss thing before....thx for linking that up and thx to eric enns for coming up wit it
[22-Dec-2010 14:33:14] <Sam-I-Am> is there any way to stagger snmp collection runs?
[22-Dec-2010 14:33:35] <Sam-I-Am> like... each collector runs every 5 minutes, but not at the same clock time?
[22-Dec-2010 14:38:03] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: not really, just manually
[22-Dec-2010 14:38:15] <rmatte> like, you could go in to a collector, shutdown the daemons, then starts them back up again
[22-Dec-2010 14:38:23] <rmatte> I think they each run on their own time
[22-Dec-2010 14:38:27] <rmatte> I could be wrong though
[22-Dec-2010 14:38:45] <rmatte> If their run times are controlled by the master then you're out of luck (which I suspect it is)
[22-Dec-2010 14:39:06] <nyeates> hmmmm
[22-Dec-2010 14:40:56] <nyeates> yeah starting them at different times is probly best
[22-Dec-2010 14:41:04] <Sam-I-Am> not sure... almost seems they run at their intervals based on startup
[22-Dec-2010 14:41:08] <nyeates> i was thinking of modeling....you can set modeling to occur at certain times
[22-Dec-2010 14:41:10] <nyeates> by using cron
[22-Dec-2010 14:41:19] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, i'll probably need to do that too
[22-Dec-2010 14:41:26] <nyeates> huh?
[22-Dec-2010 14:41:39] <nyeates> no modeling is what runs every 12 hrs (default)
[22-Dec-2010 14:41:44] <nyeates> u can set that more easily
[22-Dec-2010 14:41:49] <nyeates> collection is different tho
[22-Dec-2010 14:42:29] <nyeates> im actually not too sure on the details of it...someone here though said that starting the collectors at different times was best
[22-Dec-2010 14:44:16] <Sam-I-Am> i was saying i need to change modeling too i think
[22-Dec-2010 14:44:24] <nyeates> oh cool...missed that
[22-Dec-2010 14:44:30] <rmatte> eugh ok... someone who is good in perl
[22-Dec-2010 14:44:39] <Sam-I-Am> yay confusion
[22-Dec-2010 14:44:39] <rmatte> how would I replace \ with \\ in a string?
[22-Dec-2010 14:44:47] <rmatte> it's driving me nuts
[22-Dec-2010 14:45:08] <Sam-I-Am> /\\/\\\\/ ?
[22-Dec-2010 14:45:10] <rmatte> I've tried "s/\/\\/g" I've tried "s/\\/\\\\/g"
[22-Dec-2010 14:45:24] <ericenns_> rmatte: I have done just that let me look
[22-Dec-2010 14:45:31] <rmatte> thanks
[22-Dec-2010 14:45:41] <Sam-I-Am> should just need to escape each \ , but perl can be weird
[22-Dec-2010 14:46:00] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: well, when I try to escape each \ in sed it barfs lol
[22-Dec-2010 14:46:08] <rmatte> so perl is probably doing something similar
[22-Dec-2010 14:46:24] <rmatte> rmatte@noc:~$ echo "C:\blah" | sed "s/\\/\\\\/g"
[22-Dec-2010 14:46:24] <rmatte> sed: -e expression #1, char 8: unterminated `s' command
[22-Dec-2010 14:46:42] <rocket> q
[22-Dec-2010 14:48:05] <rmatte> q?
[22-Dec-2010 14:48:51] <Sam-I-Am> single ticks work instead of quotes?
[22-Dec-2010 14:49:06] <ericenns_> using sed this works echo "\a" | sed 's/\\/\\\\/g'
[22-Dec-2010 14:49:46] <rmatte> hmmm, it must not like the double quotes
[22-Dec-2010 14:50:38] <rmatte> I'll try single quotes and see if that makes a difference
[22-Dec-2010 14:51:51] <rmatte> nope, that didn't help
[22-Dec-2010 14:52:02] <ericenns_> rmatte: did you try my command
[22-Dec-2010 14:53:01] <rmatte> yes, and it works
[22-Dec-2010 14:53:06] <rmatte> but I need to get it working in perl
[22-Dec-2010 14:53:07] <rmatte> lol
[22-Dec-2010 14:53:22] <rmatte> I have $componentsearch =~ 's/\\/\\\\/g';
[22-Dec-2010 14:53:22] <ericenns_> ok
[22-Dec-2010 14:53:24] <rmatte> but it's not working
[22-Dec-2010 14:53:35] <rmatte> I have it outputting the results to a log file...
[22-Dec-2010 14:53:44] <rmatte> Before: D:\ Label:Drive-D  Serial Number e840e4f6
[22-Dec-2010 14:53:44] <rmatte> After: D:\ Label:Drive-D  Serial Number e840e4f6
[22-Dec-2010 14:53:49] <rmatte> nothing changes
[22-Dec-2010 14:54:01] <rmatte> I need the \ to be a \\
[22-Dec-2010 14:56:54] <ericenns_> rmatte: remove backticks they are not needed this works in perl $componentsearch =~ s/
[22-Dec-2010 14:57:06] <ericenns_> s/\\/\\\\/g
[22-Dec-2010 14:57:32] <rmatte> k
[22-Dec-2010 14:57:48] <nyeates> i got a headache looking back at this channel :-p
[22-Dec-2010 14:57:57] <davetoo> hah
[22-Dec-2010 14:58:18] * Sam-I-Am gets to figure out mass-adding via zenbatchload
[22-Dec-2010 14:58:43] <nyeates> mray has been touching zenbatchload recently...for chef integration
[22-Dec-2010 14:58:46] <rmatte> nyeates: yeh, lots of slashes lol
[22-Dec-2010 14:59:26] <Sam-I-Am> think it'll be the easiest way to add about 400 devices in a specific IP range to a specific collector
[22-Dec-2010 14:59:32] <Sam-I-Am> unless theres something easier..
[22-Dec-2010 15:00:27] * rmatte waits in suspense for the ticket script to kick off again
[22-Dec-2010 15:00:58] <rmatte> awesome, that worked
[22-Dec-2010 15:00:59] <rmatte> thanks
[22-Dec-2010 15:01:08] <ericenns_> no promblem
[22-Dec-2010 15:01:18] * ericenns_ sucks at typing today
[22-Dec-2010 15:01:35] <nyeates> Sam-I-Am: if its specific hosts, yeah
[22-Dec-2010 15:01:58] <rmatte> ok, now for the moment of truth, this had better work
[22-Dec-2010 15:02:19] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: well, probably everything in a certain range of IPs
[22-Dec-2010 15:02:22] <nyeates> if its a range of hosts like 192.168.0.1-400.... i imagin there has to be a better single call
[22-Dec-2010 15:02:52] <Sam-I-Am> the key is being able to add them to the appropriate collector first shot
[22-Dec-2010 15:03:03] <nyeates> which would jobify it and queue it to discover them
[22-Dec-2010 15:03:13] <nyeates> o
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[22-Dec-2010 15:24:17] <Sam-I-Am> so... the hub does not need to see the device i'm adding to a collector somewhere else, right?
[22-Dec-2010 15:24:30] <Sam-I-Am> in other words, the hub does not have direct IP access to the device
[22-Dec-2010 15:24:47] <Sam-I-Am> because all this is doing is timing out
[22-Dec-2010 15:24:57] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: it should be running zendisc on the collector via ssh
[22-Dec-2010 15:26:18] <Simon4> heh, fun statistics
[22-Dec-2010 15:26:26] <Simon4> our zenoss install rendered 3 million graphs in the last month
[22-Dec-2010 15:26:41] <Sam-I-Am> nice
[22-Dec-2010 15:26:50] <Simon4> just on 1.1 per second
[22-Dec-2010 15:31:29] <rmatte> bigegor: just noticed you posted the update to the WMI performance pack, thanks, sorry I didn't have time to test it
[22-Dec-2010 15:31:46] <bigegor> np
[22-Dec-2010 16:07:28] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm...
[22-Dec-2010 16:36:02] <navanjr> im kinda new to Zenoss...  looking for help graphing "\.NET CLR Memory(_Global_)\% Time in GC"...  I cant seem to figure it out.
[22-Dec-2010 17:06:41] <navanjr> anybody home?
[22-Dec-2010 17:27:04] <timcharper> i am not home
[22-Dec-2010 17:32:35] <davetoo> and I have no idea about graphing windows stuff
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[22-Dec-2010 18:43:07] <rhettslap> i have a ppp interface on my firewall that has an 'unknown' status within zenoss.  how do i get zenoss to monitor that?
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[23-Dec-2010 09:46:49] * rmatte yawns
[23-Dec-2010 09:46:51] <rmatte> morning all
[23-Dec-2010 10:06:03] <rmatte> good day all
[23-Dec-2010 10:08:21] <mray> good morning
[23-Dec-2010 10:11:07] <nyeates> morin
[23-Dec-2010 10:12:18] <nyeates> developer(s) should be in in an ~hour
[23-Dec-2010 10:12:22] <ericenns_> morning
[23-Dec-2010 10:12:58] <ericenns_> nyeates: could you add my VMwareESXiMonitor and VMwareDataSource documents links to the zenpack page
[23-Dec-2010 10:13:28] <nyeates> sure, gimme the doc links here if u have em handy
[23-Dec-2010 10:14:13] <ericenns_> docs/DOC-10225 and docs/DOC-10242
[23-Dec-2010 10:14:23] <nyeates> soory for the backlog on geting those up there...im working on getting many of them up
[23-Dec-2010 10:14:46] <ericenns_> yeah no problem I understand there were a lot of contest entries
[23-Dec-2010 10:15:36] <nyeates> it would be awesome if you can you get some screen shot(s) up on those landing pages
[23-Dec-2010 10:15:56] <nyeates> makes em so much more useful and friendly
[23-Dec-2010 10:16:51] <ericenns_> Yeah I could try to do that
[23-Dec-2010 10:18:57] <nyeates> posting now
[23-Dec-2010 10:19:06] <ericenns_> sweet thanks
[23-Dec-2010 10:19:59] <rmatte> nyeates: could you fix the blank cell at the bottom of that ZenPack table while you're at it?
[23-Dec-2010 10:20:09] <rmatte> not sure if I have OCD or something but it bothers me for some reason lol
[23-Dec-2010 10:20:20] <rmatte> 
[23-Dec-2010 10:21:02] <nyeates> sure
[23-Dec-2010 10:21:33] <nyeates> man we got so many vmware-based zenpacks its hard to differentiate em
[23-Dec-2010 10:21:52] <rmatte> yeh, honestly some of them need to be obsoleted like I was explaining the other day
[23-Dec-2010 10:23:17] <mray> nyeates: you need to make a decision tree for them 
[23-Dec-2010 10:23:29] <mray> "Are you running ESX?  ESXi?"
[23-Dec-2010 10:23:43] <mray> SNMP?
[23-Dec-2010 10:24:02] <nyeates> where would something like that go matt?
[23-Dec-2010 10:24:24] <mray> dunno, put it on the wiki and have each VMware ZenPack reference it?
[23-Dec-2010 10:24:39] <rmatte> mray: the problem is that ericenn's pack covers every version of ESX
[23-Dec-2010 10:24:40] <mray> "Wondering if this is the VMware ZenPack for you?  Go here"
[23-Dec-2010 10:24:46] <rmatte> mray: so it kind of obsoletes everything else
[23-Dec-2010 10:24:55] <rmatte> but it's named "ESXi"
[23-Dec-2010 10:25:01] <rmatte> so people get misled
[23-Dec-2010 10:25:02] <mray> except ESX Top
[23-Dec-2010 10:25:10] <rmatte> yeh, ESX Top is a good one too
[23-Dec-2010 10:25:24] <rmatte> but honestly, his pack is getting close to providing those details as well
[23-Dec-2010 10:25:25] <mray> so the decision tree just go easier 
[23-Dec-2010 10:25:35] <mray> s/go/got/
[23-Dec-2010 10:25:40] <rmatte> lol
[23-Dec-2010 10:25:54] <rmatte> like I was saying, there should be a separate ZenPack page for obsoleted packs
[23-Dec-2010 10:26:02] <rmatte> and we should start reviewing which need to be obsoleted
[23-Dec-2010 10:26:14] <rmatte> it's nice to keep a second page in case anyone wants to reference old packs for development reasons
[23-Dec-2010 10:26:21] <rmatte> but there's no reason to have them on the main ZenPack page
[23-Dec-2010 10:27:17] <nyeates> ryan: if we decide to do something like that, would you be up for helping to head that effort?
[23-Dec-2010 10:27:23] <mray> There are other ZenPacks that have been deprecated, if the ESXi one is a superset of functionality, deprecate the others
[23-Dec-2010 10:27:32] <rmatte> nyeates: certainly
[23-Dec-2010 10:27:35] <nyeates> ||||\\
[23-Dec-2010 10:27:41] <nyeates> sorry kid
[23-Dec-2010 10:27:45] <nyeates> ?? k
[23-Dec-2010 10:28:04] <rmatte> The ZenPack page is becoming an eyesore, I would love to help out with that
[23-Dec-2010 10:28:09] <rmatte> lol
[23-Dec-2010 10:28:37] <nyeates> she wants to be like daddy, typing on the comp
[23-Dec-2010 10:28:45] <rmatte> haha
[23-Dec-2010 10:29:06] <rmatte> she'll be a Zenoss wiz in no time
[23-Dec-2010 10:29:36] <nyeates> ]
[23-Dec-2010 10:29:41] <rmatte> It looks like I'm going to get a lot busier soon, my boss is leaving for another job, and I think I'm going to be taking over his
[23-Dec-2010 10:30:11] <ericenns_> nyeates: should I be seeing those changes on the zenpack page?
[23-Dec-2010 10:30:14] <mray> congrats
[23-Dec-2010 10:30:32] <nyeates> kid is kinda preoccup[ying me
[23-Dec-2010 10:30:33] <rmatte> mray: thanks lol, it means double the workload until/if I find someone to replace me though
[23-Dec-2010 10:30:42] <nyeates> i will get em eric
[23-Dec-2010 10:30:55] <mray> rmatte: sounds like you need more infrastructure automation 
[23-Dec-2010 10:31:07] <ericenns_> nyeates: ok I just misunderstood you no problem
[23-Dec-2010 10:31:18] <rmatte> mray: nah, it's not an issue with the automation, we have plenty of automation...
[23-Dec-2010 10:31:39] <rmatte> mray: the problem is that we're a young MSP developing our own tools, and it's a constant project
[23-Dec-2010 10:31:51] <nyeates> Eric, both ZPs tested for 3.0?
[23-Dec-2010 10:31:52] <rmatte> mray: we end up with managers going "We need to be able to do this now"
[23-Dec-2010 10:32:01] <rmatte> so then we have to develop it
[23-Dec-2010 10:32:06] <rmatte> and that we just became I
[23-Dec-2010 10:34:14] <rmatte> I brushed up on my perl... now I need to brush up on my php
[23-Dec-2010 10:34:35] <ericenns_> nyeates: yes
[23-Dec-2010 10:35:30] <ericenns_> nyeates: they are supported in both 2.5.x and 3.0.x
[23-Dec-2010 10:54:13] <nyeates> ericenns: posted
[23-Dec-2010 10:54:21] <nyeates> not as easy as it looks
[23-Dec-2010 10:54:51] <nyeates> mray is right we need a decision tree for esx zenpacks
[23-Dec-2010 10:54:54] <rmatte> Yeh, so I was just officially given the new position
[23-Dec-2010 10:55:03] <rmatte> time to do a wackload of knowledge transfer
[23-Dec-2010 10:55:03] <nyeates> wow, congrats bud
[23-Dec-2010 10:55:06] <rmatte> thanks
[23-Dec-2010 10:55:14] <mray> yeah, congratulations
[23-Dec-2010 10:55:21] <rmatte> I'll be afk for most of the day.  Talk to you guys later.
[23-Dec-2010 10:55:30] <nyeates> later
[23-Dec-2010 10:55:35] <mray> he's got to go get fitted for a suit
[23-Dec-2010 11:02:32] <npmccallum> w00t
[23-Dec-2010 11:03:03] <nyeates> We have some dev's in the house right before the holidays here
[23-Dec-2010 11:03:16] <nyeates> any issues, questions, discussions, etc, fire away
[23-Dec-2010 11:04:21] <nyeates> ericenns: you have any extra cycles to help me on making a decision tree for ESX ZenPacks?
[23-Dec-2010 11:07:07] <mray>  I asked this the other day, but does anyone know if zenbatchload remodels if there are no changes?
[23-Dec-2010 11:08:53] <mray> hmm… answered that myself. It does
[23-Dec-2010 11:09:31] <mray> looking for a way to bulk-add devices, but only model the new ones
[23-Dec-2010 11:09:43] <mray> zenbatchload notices that stuff is new, but still models
[23-Dec-2010 11:09:52] <mray> and notices if stuff exists
[23-Dec-2010 11:10:22] <mray> I guess I can keep the batchload file from the previous run, and only run zenbatchload on the diff
[23-Dec-2010 11:10:27] <mray> thanks devs!
[23-Dec-2010 11:10:33] <mray> 
[23-Dec-2010 11:12:04] <nyeates> heh
[23-Dec-2010 11:12:48] <nyeates> lets poke one of them from their slumber
[23-Dec-2010 11:17:30] <jgartman> I don't know; am looking at zenbatchload now to see what it does.
[23-Dec-2010 11:18:30] <mray> no worries, I got what I needed
[23-Dec-2010 11:19:26] <jgartman> Now it's bothering me that I don't know.
[23-Dec-2010 11:19:46] <nyeates> yeah Brian B wasnt sure how to do it either matt
[23-Dec-2010 11:20:05] <sloof3> Is it possible to create a graph that shows the sum of inbound and outbound bandwidth on a bunch of interfaces on different devices?
[23-Dec-2010 11:21:13] <nyeates> sloof3: one part of the solution might be the ZenPack Formula DataSource
[23-Dec-2010 11:21:14] <nyeates> docs/DOC-10224
[23-Dec-2010 11:21:16] <sloof3> For example if I wanted graph all my wans links to get an aggregate
[23-Dec-2010 11:21:25] <mray> what's kind of interesting is that it looks like you're setting zProperties on Device Classes with zenbatchload, but it actually sets them on the individual devices.  A bit of a bug in my opinion, but I'm going straight to zendmd anyway
[23-Dec-2010 11:22:22] <mray> and you can't create device classes with zenbatchload either
[23-Dec-2010 11:23:19] <nyeates> sloof3: how you would get all of the graphs togeher....maybe using multi-graph?
[23-Dec-2010 11:23:35] <nyeates> look in the admin guide at Multi-graph Reports section
[23-Dec-2010 11:23:52] <nyeates> or Graph Reports section
[23-Dec-2010 11:24:30] <Jane_Curry> hiya
[23-Dec-2010 11:25:22] <nyeates> Hi Jane
[23-Dec-2010 11:25:52] <nyeates> Rmatte left earlier cause his boss lef
[23-Dec-2010 11:26:04] <nyeates> left and he now has his job
[23-Dec-2010 11:26:06] <nyeates> heh
[23-Dec-2010 11:27:07] <Jane_Curry> That should keep him busy!
[23-Dec-2010 11:28:36] <nyeates> what u been up to lately Jane? anything exciting IT wise?
[23-Dec-2010 11:29:46] <nyeates> sloof3: does that help, what i gave you?
[23-Dec-2010 11:30:32] <Jane_Curry> I have been trying to get to (better) grips with the new V3 interface - expect another drop of the Bridge MIB sometime soon
[23-Dec-2010 11:31:08] <ericenns_> nyeates: yeah I could help you out
[23-Dec-2010 11:31:10] <Jane_Curry> Also had a real struggle with component events feeding up to Device DetilaView as per thread/15224
[23-Dec-2010 11:31:52] <Jane_Curry> Ryan Matte said he wasn't seeing thes issues but i have it on 2 different Zenoss 3.0.3 so I am looking for more input...
[23-Dec-2010 11:32:49] <nyeates> simon, an employee here, was the biggest complainer on the new interface....he has been using it a number months now and went back and had to use the old interface...now he says he knows the new UI is better, but its still got work needed
[23-Dec-2010 11:33:18] <nyeates> huh havent heard of that component events thing....
[23-Dec-2010 11:34:12] <Jane_Curry> I'm finding it is simply flaky - sometimes you get the status non-green against the component type in the detail view,
[23-Dec-2010 11:34:16] <nyeates> ericenns: awesome - we should probably do what mray was saying...start by making a wiki or community page depicting all the options and what you should pick
[23-Dec-2010 11:34:25] <Jane_Curry> sometimes it just won't budge
[23-Dec-2010 11:35:15] <nyeates> screenshot it, write how to replicate it, and put into a trac tic
[23-Dec-2010 11:35:20] <nyeates> or is it already?
[23-Dec-2010 11:35:33] <Jane_Curry> Is there an easy way to duplicate a zenoss-users forum entry to zenoss-dev???
[23-Dec-2010 11:35:53] <Jane_Curry> We want to copy message/55513#55513 whhich has some brilliant detective work by
[23-Dec-2010 11:35:59] <Jane_Curry> phonegi on the new UI
[23-Dec-2010 11:36:30] <mray> Jane_Curry: nyeates could move the thread if that's what you mean
[23-Dec-2010 11:37:33] <nyeates> send me it in email form, ill see what magic i can work
[23-Dec-2010 11:37:36] <jcausey> @jane -- i've seen that before, and found an existing ticket for it: http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/7546
[23-Dec-2010 11:41:21] <Jane_Curry> mray - I really want a copy in both forums and then continue the thread in dev - I don't want to lost the users thread though...
[23-Dec-2010 11:42:03] <ericenns_> nyeates: yeah that would work out
[23-Dec-2010 11:42:21] <rmatte> mray: no suit 
[23-Dec-2010 11:42:44] <ericenns_> rmatte: no pins in your collar either?
[23-Dec-2010 11:43:01] <rmatte> lol
[23-Dec-2010 11:43:03] <rmatte> 
[23-Dec-2010 11:43:09] <jgartman> mray: There's a --nomodel option for zenbatchload, you could bulk add your devices with zenbacthload --nomodel, then using some zendmd voodoo only model the new ones.
[23-Dec-2010 11:43:18] <nyeates> jcausey: yeah we have seen a few of these similar types of tickets...generally, there are a few use-cases where device status icons or event counts do not roll up
[23-Dec-2010 11:43:20] <rmatte> I'm a t-shirt guy, the most formal it gets is a golf shirt
[23-Dec-2010 11:43:49] <rmatte> I quote the line from anti-trust "Guys, don't you know that the worse you look, the smarter they think you are."
[23-Dec-2010 11:43:58] <rmatte> 
[23-Dec-2010 11:44:03] <ericenns_> haha cool
[23-Dec-2010 11:47:23] <nyeates> and smarter != money... sometimes, but not always
[23-Dec-2010 11:47:29] <rmatte> bigegor: your pack works perfectly
[23-Dec-2010 11:47:35] <rmatte> just finished trying it out
[23-Dec-2010 11:47:40] <Jane_Curry> jcausey:  Thanks 7546 looks like exactly the same though the ticket says it is open against Avalon and seems to suggest that
[23-Dec-2010 11:47:46] <rmatte> I like what you did with the snmp index thing, very crafty 
[23-Dec-2010 11:47:56] <Jane_Curry> it works in 3.0.3.  My 3.0.3 definitely has the bug
[23-Dec-2010 11:48:09] <nyeates> rmatte: which ZP?
[23-Dec-2010 11:48:43] <rmatte> The Windows Performance pack, I sent him details on implementing monitoring of filesystems from Win32_Volume instead of Win32_LogicalDisks
[23-Dec-2010 11:48:45] <Jane_Curry> Any sign of a fix for this event rollup??
[23-Dec-2010 11:48:52] <rmatte> so that monitoring of windows mount points is possible
[23-Dec-2010 11:49:12] <rmatte> I had modified the plugin and the template and had it working, sent him the modified plugins and the details, he was kind enough to implement it in the latest release
[23-Dec-2010 11:49:15] <jgartman> Jane_Curry: Yes, definitely, but indirectly.
[23-Dec-2010 11:49:26] <jgartman> At least for Avalon.
[23-Dec-2010 11:49:37] <rmatte> and he did something crafty to avoid having to modify the filesystem template for different plugins
[23-Dec-2010 11:50:22] <Jane_Curry> How about 3.0.3????  Workaround????
[23-Dec-2010 11:51:21] <jgartman> A fix for 3.0.3 would be completely different as the event system for Avalon is going through quite an overhaul. I cannot speak to fixes for 3.0.3, sorry :[
[23-Dec-2010 11:52:10] <Jane_Curry> In that case, I think I'll append to the ticket with a request for a 3.0.x fix and confirm the problem exists there
[23-Dec-2010 11:52:19] <jgartman> Yup, that sounds reasonable.
[23-Dec-2010 11:52:21] <nyeates> Jane: please add to the ....ok yup, you guessed it:-)
[23-Dec-2010 11:53:15] <jcausey> @jane -- good idea -- additionally, I'll bump it's priority to see if we can get some better traction on it
[23-Dec-2010 11:53:44] <nyeates> write about how it effects your operations, and why it should be important
[23-Dec-2010 11:55:15] <nyeates> jgartman: i changed that ticket to say for 3.0.3 by accident ....should that have stayed as Avalon?
[23-Dec-2010 11:55:35] <nyeates> errr...maybe that was angled at jcausey
[23-Dec-2010 11:55:36] <nyeates> either of u
[23-Dec-2010 11:56:09] <sloof3> nyeates: Not quite.  I don't think I grasp templates yet
[23-Dec-2010 11:57:17] <jgartman> nyeates: No, we want it fixed for 3.0.3, The bug is irrelevant in Avalon (the event system is completely different).
[23-Dec-2010 11:57:20] <nyeates> sloof3: yeah there are a lot of concepts in zenoss that are quite different and take a bit to grasp....like linux, once you "get it" it is very powerful
[23-Dec-2010 11:57:43] <jgartman> and by irrelevant I mean that the problem should be fixed but the code causing the bug is not relevant since it wont exist in Avalon.
[23-Dec-2010 11:58:06] <nyeates> got it
[23-Dec-2010 11:58:08] <Jane_Curry> 7546 updated
[23-Dec-2010 11:58:25] <nyeates> yeah thx jane, i think all this will help it get some limelight
[23-Dec-2010 11:58:59] <sloof3> nyeates: Sounds like the link you sent me as saying I need make a new device template dedeicated to this summation graph.  Which is not what really want to do.  A simple report with a graph (interface BW1 + interface BW2). Interfaces are on different devices.
[23-Dec-2010 12:00:56] <nyeates> sloof3: i dont understand what it is you want
[23-Dec-2010 12:02:41] <nyeates> it is harder to do it in a single graph i think
[23-Dec-2010 12:04:49] <jcausey> nyeates - ticket modified and returned to defect review to get higher priority
[23-Dec-2010 12:05:57] <sloof3> I work for an ISP.  I'm currently graphing my WAN links to multiple providers.  I want see a graph of the aggregate utilization of multiple interfaces.
[23-Dec-2010 12:12:37] <nyeates> sloof3: yeah so i asked some others - the best you can do is to use the Multi-Graph functionality and you will have to do some custom graph command magic
[23-Dec-2010 12:13:20] <nyeates> sloof3: its not easy, especially if you say you dont understand templates yet
[23-Dec-2010 12:13:32] <nyeates> it can be done, but is going to require a bit of homework and reading and understanding on your part
[23-Dec-2010 12:14:39] <nyeates> a graph command is how zenoss makes its graphs...we send off a shell-command-like string to create our graphs....you would have to go in and edit this. its in the interface, but you have to know how to alter and effect rrd graph commands
[23-Dec-2010 12:20:08] <nyeates> Announcement: Plans are that we will release another maintenance release before Avalon.
[23-Dec-2010 12:20:12] <Jane_Curry> Hi sloof3....
[23-Dec-2010 12:20:32] <Jane_Curry> I don't know where you are at with Zenoss so far.....
[23-Dec-2010 12:21:02] <Jane_Curry> but something we have just finished updating is a 1-day hands-on workshop "Zenoss FastStart"
[23-Dec-2010 12:21:38] <Jane_Curry> it's designed to get folk from nothing to a reasonable working Zenoss by a series of exercises
[23-Dec-2010 12:22:04] <rmatte> sloof3: have you seen Reports -> Performance Reports -> Aggregate Graph Reports?
[23-Dec-2010 12:22:07] <Jane_Curry> We've always run it as a face-to-face class here in the UK but we are seriously considering
[23-Dec-2010 12:22:27] <Jane_Curry> running it with cloud machines as a remote class
[23-Dec-2010 12:22:56] <nyeates> interesting Jane - you should do it
[23-Dec-2010 12:23:07] <Jane_Curry> I appreciate most people on this forum are WAY past a 1-day FastStart, but I would be interested in people's reaction to the idea
[23-Dec-2010 12:23:14] <rmatte> Maintenance release is planned?
[23-Dec-2010 12:23:27] <rmatte> that would be great lol
[23-Dec-2010 12:23:41] <nyeates> Yes. bug fixes that are exiting and upcoming
[23-Dec-2010 12:23:55] <rmatte> Are the issues that we discussed in our webex going to be addressed?
[23-Dec-2010 12:23:58] <Jane_Curry> will it include 7546???   and when?
[23-Dec-2010 12:25:14] <nyeates> Appreciate your concerns. And right now, I just dont know.
[23-Dec-2010 12:25:28] <nyeates> I have to head to the doctor for my child though, so I will be excusing myself
[23-Dec-2010 12:25:36] <rmatte> have a nice day
[23-Dec-2010 12:25:40] <nyeates> Have a happy holidays!
[23-Dec-2010 12:25:43] <rmatte> you too
[23-Dec-2010 12:28:28] <sloof3> rmatte: Yes.  I saw the aggregate graph.  By default its useless.  I'm supposed to be able to edit it but the admin guide deosn't even appear to have a section on it.
[23-Dec-2010 12:32:36] <rmatte> sloof3: nah, you can't edit that one, what you'd be looking for is a custom graph report
[23-Dec-2010 12:33:18] <rmatte> the standard aggregate graph report is generated from a python script, so it's static in terms of datasources (graphs everything)
[23-Dec-2010 12:33:31] <rmatte> If you just want to adjust the period of time the graph is for though you can do so by clicking on it
[23-Dec-2010 12:37:21] <sloof3> rmatte: It's useless as in a graph of 200 routes isn't useful
[23-Dec-2010 12:37:27] <sloof3> routers*
[23-Dec-2010 12:39:26] <rmatte> k, then the closest thing to what you want is custom graph reports
[23-Dec-2010 12:39:34] <rmatte> there's a section in the zenoss admin guide explaining them
[23-Dec-2010 12:40:04] <rmatte> The Zenoss reporting features are not very good currently, there is supposed to be a new reporting package with the next release, but I don't think it's going to be included with Core
[23-Dec-2010 12:40:08] <rmatte> It'll be Enterprise only
[23-Dec-2010 12:40:30] <rmatte> I've personally coded a lot of my own reports in python to get around the limitations of the reporting system
[23-Dec-2010 12:43:13] <bigegor> hi all
[23-Dec-2010 12:47:40] <Jane_Curry> hi
[23-Dec-2010 13:18:55] <rmatte> I have this annoying WMI issue with a server
[23-Dec-2010 13:19:10] <rmatte> the WMI service is started, the account I'm using is a domain admin account, and it works fine on other servers
[23-Dec-2010 13:19:17] <rmatte> I can login to the server with the account
[23-Dec-2010 13:19:39] <rmatte> I verified permissions for WMI root and made sure that the account is getting admin access
[23-Dec-2010 13:19:52] <rmatte> but I get NTSTATUS_ACCESS_DENIED when I try to query WMI on it
[23-Dec-2010 13:20:00] <rmatte> anyone have any idea on what I can try to fix this?
[23-Dec-2010 13:25:56] <rmatte> all I'm seeing is:
[23-Dec-2010 13:25:57] <rmatte> ERROR: Login to remote object.
[23-Dec-2010 13:25:58] <rmatte> NTSTATUS: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED - Access denied
[23-Dec-2010 14:52:47] <rmatte> meh, I'll just pass it off to a windows engineer and they can deal with it
[23-Dec-2010 14:52:54] <rmatte> I suspect the server needs a reboot or something
[23-Dec-2010 14:54:53] <rhettslap> three times
[23-Dec-2010 14:59:51] <rmatte> lol
[23-Dec-2010 15:12:59] <sloof3> I created a subgroup under /Network/Router/Cisco/ for the two routers I want to use in this multigraph report.  Put this group in the collection.  Defined the DataPoints ifHCInOctets and ifHCOutOctets.  Made the Graph group...now the grapgh just shows NaN
[23-Dec-2010 15:13:31] <sloof3> Granted these two routers have ~150 interfaces a piece...I didn't define anywhere which interfaces I wanted to include.
[23-Dec-2010 15:17:54] <rmatte> sloof3: how long have you been collecting data for those devices?
[23-Dec-2010 15:17:58] <rmatte> and how long was the report for?
[23-Dec-2010 15:18:18] <rmatte> if you only have less than a day's worth of data, and you're generating a report for a month, it's not going to work too well since it tries to summarize the data
[23-Dec-2010 15:19:09] <sloof3> I let it go for at least 2 hours before I made my last comment.
[23-Dec-2010 15:19:29] <sloof3> For the purposes of trying to get something to graph I did this.
[23-Dec-2010 15:20:17] <sloof3> I changed the collection the include just 1 router and then just the two interfaces I wanted.  All else is the same.  Let it go for about 1 hour? Or can I get something meaningful in less time.
[23-Dec-2010 15:20:51] <sloof3> Even though I have about 3 weeks of data on these interfaces I can't make reports on the already saved data?
[23-Dec-2010 15:25:38] <tiredofme> whenever I go to modify an existing alert group, i get the following error:
[23-Dec-2010 15:25:44] <tiredofme> AttributeError: groupManager
[23-Dec-2010 15:25:47] <tiredofme> it just came up
[23-Dec-2010 15:25:49] <tiredofme> any ideas?
[23-Dec-2010 15:33:46] <rmatte> tireofme: fpaste the full traceback
[23-Dec-2010 15:36:39] <tiredofme> k
[23-Dec-2010 15:37:12] <tiredofme> http://pastebin.com/P1Nfd7hg
[23-Dec-2010 15:38:03] <sloof3> Is there a way to remove all interfaces from monitoring that include "unrouted" in the name.  These are added automatically and they are nuisance since they have no stats to monitor.
[23-Dec-2010 15:39:46] <tiredofme> rmatte: http://pastebin.com/P1Nfd7hg
[23-Dec-2010 15:43:38] <fall3n_j0ker> Is there a way to have links displayed for point-to-point connections? The networks/ips show up but they are not registered as the same network so they do not create a link on the map?
[23-Dec-2010 15:45:18] <fall3n_j0ker> Also sorry, one more question, is it possible to set password / snmp info for a group of objects without using the "device classes" ? I would like to set passwords / snmp by location or logical group not by device type?
[23-Dec-2010 15:46:39] <rmatte> fall3n_j0ker: nah, they are only drawn for same networks
[23-Dec-2010 15:47:14] <rmatte> fall3n_j0ker: properties can only be set by device type
[23-Dec-2010 15:47:52] <rmatte> fall3n_j0ker: you could write a zendmd script to update properties on devices based on what location/group they are in and cron it to run once a minute or something, but that's the best you're going to do
[23-Dec-2010 15:48:47] <fall3n_j0ker> Ok where can I put in a feature request because I would say that these two "features" are very necessary for multi-site locations.
[23-Dec-2010 15:50:15] <fall3n_j0ker> I am trying to use this in a MSP type setup and not being able to setup username/passwords by location is going to make my job difficult :-)
[23-Dec-2010 15:50:48] <tiredofme> rmatte: so what the hell caused that error? This is the last thing that I need right before going on vacation
[23-Dec-2010 15:52:37] <rmatte> I'm looking
[23-Dec-2010 15:52:41] <sloof3> fall3n_j0ker: Make a sub group for the device groups.  e.g. /Network/Router/Cisco/NewYork
[23-Dec-2010 15:54:01] <rmatte> tiredofme 3.0 or 2.5?
[23-Dec-2010 15:54:10] <tiredofme> rmatte: 3.0
[23-Dec-2010 15:54:12] <rmatte> k
[23-Dec-2010 15:54:28] <fall3n_j0ker> sloof3: I have thought of doing this but was hoping to avoid this since that means I have to create subgroups for every type of device for all my customers, it makes more sense to be able to create a top group - Customer A, and assign properties based on that group. I fail to see the logic for not allowing to set properties based on groups or locations
[23-Dec-2010 15:57:50] <rmatte> tiredofme: do you have access to the "admin" account?
[23-Dec-2010 15:57:57] <tiredofme> rmatte: yes
[23-Dec-2010 15:58:53] <rmatte> ok... first off, with your regular user account navigate to: http://your-zenoss-server:8080/zport/acl_users/groupManager/manage_groups
[23-Dec-2010 15:58:58] <rmatte> tell me what you see there
[23-Dec-2010 15:59:47] <tiredofme> I see all of the groups along with the assigned members
[23-Dec-2010 15:59:52] <rmatte> k
[23-Dec-2010 16:00:02] <rmatte> can you try logging in with the admin account
[23-Dec-2010 16:00:06] <tiredofme> yep
[23-Dec-2010 16:00:08] <rmatte> and then try modifying a group
[23-Dec-2010 16:00:19] <rmatte> I want to see if the same traceback gets thrown or not
[23-Dec-2010 16:00:56] <rmatte> the part that it's failing on in the actual code is...
[23-Dec-2010 16:00:57] <rmatte>     def _getG(self):
[23-Dec-2010 16:00:57] <rmatte>         return self.zport.acl_users.groupManager
[23-Dec-2010 16:01:31] <rmatte> it's possible that self isn't getting populated with a proper value, I want to check that next
[23-Dec-2010 16:02:38] <tiredofme> same error
[23-Dec-2010 16:06:59] <sloof3> fall3n_j0ker: Then make a Customer group with subgroup router/location... Or are you saying you use the same credentials per location across multiple customers
[23-Dec-2010 16:08:56] <fall3n_j0ker> sloof3: Can I move the device types into a top device group? Can I duplicate them?
[23-Dec-2010 16:09:59] <sloof3> fall3n_j0ker: Probably.  Just have to make sure the templates you want are there too.
[23-Dec-2010 16:10:00] <rmatte> tiredofme: have you been able to edit alerting groups in 3.0 previously?
[23-Dec-2010 16:10:17] <tiredofme> rmatte: yes, it's been working fine
[23-Dec-2010 16:10:18] <fall3n_j0ker> sloo3: nm I just answered my question the interface won't let me drag the device classes under a new top group
[23-Dec-2010 16:10:19] <sloof3> fall3n_j0ker: Can you explain your desired hierarchy for credentials?
[23-Dec-2010 16:10:31] <tiredofme> rmatte: just this afternoon, for no apparent reason, it craped out
[23-Dec-2010 16:11:31] <fall3n_j0ker> sloof3: Sure, we are an MSP and I have several customers, so I would like to see "Customer A: (snmp / wmi / shell ) -> Device Type A / Device Type B / Device Type C"
[23-Dec-2010 16:11:41] <tiredofme> rmatte: the only change that I have made was in zendmd, to alter the default speed of an interface on a PIX firewall
[23-Dec-2010 16:12:23] <fall3n_j0ker> sloof3: I would prefer not setting username/passwords based on device type but more on logical groupings as this makes more sense, you normally set passwords based on group or customer not switch or router
[23-Dec-2010 16:12:28] <fall3n_j0ker> (at least in our company)
[23-Dec-2010 16:12:56] <rmatte> tiredofme: honestly, I've reached the limit of my troubleshooting remotely, I'd have to mess around with it directly
[23-Dec-2010 16:13:44] <tiredofme> rmatte: thanks for trying. I guess I'll have to use zope to make all of my changes now. ughhh
[23-Dec-2010 16:15:38] <rmatte> you should ask a dev about it when you see one around, could be a bug
[23-Dec-2010 16:17:40] <tiredofme> rmatte: thanks man. I just made a forum post.
[23-Dec-2010 16:27:51] <rmatte> cool, hopefully someone bites
[23-Dec-2010 16:56:29] <sloof3> rmatte: ok So I got some graphs happening! Now just the scale of the graph is wrong.  If I look at the interface BW /Network/Router/Cisco/Blah its 389.Mbps while the multigrapgh report says its 46.7.  The graph shape is right...just the numbers are wrong.
[23-Dec-2010 17:05:34] <sloof3> rmatte: Off by a factor 8....there is a bits/bytes issue here.  Where do I correct this? I have the Y axis at bits/sec on noth the report and regular view..thought I think its just cosmetic
[23-Dec-2010 17:10:12] <sloof3> rmatte: Nevermind RPN: 8,*
[23-Dec-2010 17:25:10] <sloof3> Hmmm ok last small problem thus far: I have two interfaces in my collection.  I'd rather the description I used in the collection be used on the graph rather than the interface name
[23-Dec-2010 17:36:21] <fall3n_j0ker> Is there a way to remodel multiple devices at once?
[23-Dec-2010 18:02:16] <sloof3> While looking into how to sum ifInHCOctets from multiple interfaces it doesn't appear each interface is has a unique DEF in the RRD scripting.
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[24-Dec-2010 03:27:24] <lc0952730> hi
[24-Dec-2010 03:27:36] <lc0952730> can zenoss make log management?
[24-Dec-2010 10:14:11] <sloof3> Seems I get an error everytime I click 'Printable'
[24-Dec-2010 13:01:41] <sloof3> Start date on my daily graph is off my by months...but the x-axis is graphed properly
[24-Dec-2010 13:02:42] <sloof3> e.g. Start date for a daily interface bw is 9/15/2010 when the x-axis only shows about 1 week.
[24-Dec-2010 13:18:35] <rmatte> sloof3: you probably won't get much help in here today, most people are off work... I'd help but I'm only at my computer for 2 mins then I have to go to a meeting... running around like a chicken with it's head cut off today
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[25-Dec-2010 00:08:14] <spelunk68> can someone point me in the right direction with this? trying to install zenoss on ubuntu using the install.sh logged in as zenoss user, I added zenoss user to RabbitMQ, set virt host, and set permissions but the scrip keeps failing at RabbitMQ virt host, username and pass with the Failed to connect to RabbitMQ server at: amqp://zenoss@localhost:5672/zenoss
[25-Dec-2010 00:08:15] <spelunk68> RabbitMQ validation failed. message (rabbitmq service is running) I am not sure how to troubleshoot what is causing RabbitMQ to fail
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[27-Dec-2010 05:20:29] <hmp> hello, i have a problem with a script executed by zenactions. it has a db connection which has a 5sec timeout that seemes to expire in like 0.5% cases. no of parallel processes is set to 10 and that seemes to be the problem. Events don't happen very often so would it be a problem if i set it to 1, so locked db doesn't pose a problem. Any reason why that would be a bad idea?
[27-Dec-2010 05:20:59] <hmp> in zenactions.log, most of events complete in 0.00s - 0.01s, but there are some that take like 9s to compolete
[27-Dec-2010 05:23:46] <hmp> there is also an option of inc the timeout of db connection, to like 30s
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[28-Dec-2010 09:20:42] <tehhobbit> how to I bundle a bunch of OSProcesses into a template ?
[28-Dec-2010 09:31:26] <AndyGraybeal> is there a way to 'monitor' alexa page ranking with zenoss?
[28-Dec-2010 09:59:59] <tehhobbit> I would make a scraper like a nagios alarm and use that
[28-Dec-2010 10:13:17] <AndyGraybeal> k
[28-Dec-2010 10:13:22] <AndyGraybeal> i don't know how to do that.
[28-Dec-2010 13:27:21] <mducharme-work> afternoon
[28-Dec-2010 14:36:35] <krondor> so I think I did something dumb, playing with webserverauth I disabled the activation for cookieauth and now can't login.  Is there a command line fix to zope to re-enable cookieauth?
[28-Dec-2010 15:21:12] <davetoo> yarg
[28-Dec-2010 15:22:08] <Simon4> yes.
[28-Dec-2010 15:22:28] <Simon4> (to the yarg, not so much the "anything I can do"
[28-Dec-2010 15:23:19] <davetoo> heh
[28-Dec-2010 15:23:35] <davetoo> ok: CQ, CQ
[28-Dec-2010 15:24:01] <davetoo> in other words: I'm bored
[28-Dec-2010 15:24:20] <davetoo> and I wish $client would let me onto their VPN so I could check on my stuff from home
[28-Dec-2010 15:24:53] * Simon4 grins
[28-Dec-2010 15:25:27] <Simon4> I'm on call this week, but can't quite get up the motivation to actually work as well, so I think I'm just going to make the week a semi-holiday
[28-Dec-2010 15:25:46] <davetoo> I could have worked today if I wanted to, but got home too late last night.
[28-Dec-2010 15:26:06] <davetoo> I started an experiment last week;
[28-Dec-2010 15:26:12] <davetoo> left the remote collector up but stopped the hub.
[28-Dec-2010 15:26:34] <davetoo> Will be interesting to see if anything's blocked.  I don't have a lot of events being generated, though.
[28-Dec-2010 15:27:05] <Simon4> yeah, I'm def interested in the results of that
[28-Dec-2010 15:27:16] <Simon4> _theoretically_ (and they'll tell you this) it'll be fine
[28-Dec-2010 15:27:20] <davetoo> Did you ever finish your RenderServer URL patch?
[28-Dec-2010 15:27:41] <davetoo> yes; I'll need to retest it under actual production-sized load.
[28-Dec-2010 15:28:09] <Simon4> can't remmeber if I showed you this or not - http://nettikconsulting.wordpress.com/ (latest post).. has writeup and attached files
[28-Dec-2010 15:28:25] <Simon4> I got it finished about 2 hours before I leapt on a flight to the canary islands
[28-Dec-2010 15:29:01] <davetoo> I don't remember either; you might have, because I noted that SSL was not part of my problem.
[28-Dec-2010 15:29:25] <Simon4> yeah, the title is a bit misleading, it's the same issue for NAT or any other url misdirection
[28-Dec-2010 15:29:52] <Simon4> basically if your clients can't see the collectors by the same URL that your hub does
[28-Dec-2010 15:30:05] <davetoo> right
[28-Dec-2010 15:30:57] <davetoo> $client is also wishes that if a datacenter is down, he could look at the RRD files from the collector in that datacenter to help with diagnostics.
[28-Dec-2010 15:31:06] <davetoo> I don't know if there's any solution to that.
[28-Dec-2010 15:31:26] <davetoo> i.e. duplicate the RRD files elsewhere and be able to use them easily.
[28-Dec-2010 15:31:27] <Simon4> other than shipping rrd files, not an easy one that I know of
[28-Dec-2010 15:31:38] <Simon4> our initial install was a single hub + collector
[28-Dec-2010 15:31:56] <Simon4> and we shipped the rrd files from collector-> hub, and set the render url to http://hub for all collectors
[28-Dec-2010 15:32:00] <Simon4> that works just fine
[28-Dec-2010 15:32:19] <davetoo> interesting
[28-Dec-2010 15:32:22] <Simon4> but the disk IO load for rsyncing a heap of rrd files whilst also updating them gets very high very fast
[28-Dec-2010 15:32:30] <davetoo> yes indeed
[28-Dec-2010 15:32:43] <Simon4> if you have a read of the source files I've edited you'll get the idea for how the render url works fairly quickly
[28-Dec-2010 15:32:56] <Simon4> it's not too complex, and opens itself up to all sorts of fun and games
[28-Dec-2010 15:33:04] <davetoo> ok
[28-Dec-2010 15:33:09] <davetoo> (back in a few minutes)
[28-Dec-2010 15:33:11] <Simon4> 
[28-Dec-2010 15:33:46] <Simon4> renderurl vs extrenderurl basically
[28-Dec-2010 15:42:33] <davetoo> *nod*
[28-Dec-2010 15:42:52] <davetoo> I need to look into patching Egor's zenpack, I suppose
[28-Dec-2010 15:43:51] <Simon4> shouldn't be too evil from my brief look the other day
[28-Dec-2010 15:48:11] * Simon4 reads the guruplug wiki, and is quite stunned at the crazy that is within it
[28-Dec-2010 15:48:33] <Simon4> "this device will be an access point, and you need to go edit a bunch of files to stop that and make it something else"
[28-Dec-2010 16:34:44] <SEJeff> Would it be possible to get (via pm) rodney wilson's number? I've got a support issue and need to escalate it.
[28-Dec-2010 16:35:24] <SEJeff> I'd rather talk to him directly, before my management gets back from vacation.
[28-Dec-2010 16:47:39] <SEJeff> errrr rusty
[28-Dec-2010 17:51:31] <amorphic> hello all...
[28-Dec-2010 17:52:19] <amorphic> would anyone be able to help me with a keyerror I'm getting on the reports page?
[28-Dec-2010 17:52:32] <amorphic> I'm at a bti of a loose end
[28-Dec-2010 23:12:06] <davetoo> Simon4: typo alert
[28-Dec-2010 23:49:14] <davetoo> interesting
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[29-Dec-2010 03:42:59] <davetoo>  on /opt/zenoss from login shell is not the same as /opt/zenoss
[29-Dec-2010 03:43:01] <davetoo> hmm
[29-Dec-2010 04:04:14] <davetoo> trunk wants Maven in order to build
[29-Dec-2010 05:45:01] <kokey> nice thing about everyone on holiday is that the guy who is leaving here who does the monitoring is also not around to break things
[29-Dec-2010 06:01:36] <kokey> i'm wondering about how to use zenoss, at a sort of higher level
[29-Dec-2010 06:02:48] <kokey> ah it seems like the getting started docs might help
[29-Dec-2010 06:03:17] <kokey> i'm sortof trying to figure out in which way we should be interacting with the whole thing and deal with events etc.
[29-Dec-2010 08:50:23] <csabo> good morning
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[29-Dec-2010 09:31:29] <nstinson> Hello all
[29-Dec-2010 09:31:49] <nstinson> Does anyone have a script I could use to send notification instant messages
[29-Dec-2010 09:31:56] <nstinson> We have it set up to use notification tweets
[29-Dec-2010 09:32:08] <nstinson> would like to add instant messaging if possibkle
[29-Dec-2010 09:32:18] <csabo> I do not
[29-Dec-2010 09:32:22] <csabo> however that should be a quick google
[29-Dec-2010 09:32:31] <csabo> sa far as protocols go, you might be stuck with jabber
[29-Dec-2010 09:32:44] <nstinson> been trying google
[29-Dec-2010 09:32:52] <csabo> let me see if i can find it
[29-Dec-2010 09:32:52] <nstinson> seems you might could with zenoss events
[29-Dec-2010 09:32:54] <csabo> i know i saw it
[29-Dec-2010 09:32:57] <nstinson> someone mentions it..
[29-Dec-2010 09:33:03] <nstinson> but doesn't really explain it
[29-Dec-2010 09:33:06] <csabo> worse case, you can write an expect script for the event
[29-Dec-2010 09:33:16] <csabo> and have a jabber client installed on the server its self
[29-Dec-2010 09:33:30] <csabo> so you could do (example) "jabber <name> <message>
[29-Dec-2010 09:33:45] <nstinson> hmmmm
[29-Dec-2010 09:36:43] <csabo> infact thats the only way i'd know how
[29-Dec-2010 09:36:47] <csabo> do you follow me on that?
[29-Dec-2010 09:36:51] <nstinson> sort of
[29-Dec-2010 09:36:55] <nstinson> don't know anything about jabber
[29-Dec-2010 09:37:03] <nstinson> low tech
[29-Dec-2010 09:37:05] <csabo> you can go into event manager and have it do a command when an event occurs right?
[29-Dec-2010 09:37:18] <csabo> so, find a cli'ed im client that lets you do that
[29-Dec-2010 09:37:25] <csabo> I dont either, but i'm sure someones got one
[29-Dec-2010 09:38:53] <nstinson> hmmmm
[29-Dec-2010 09:38:56] <nstinson> cli'ed?
[29-Dec-2010 09:39:03] <nstinson> oh, c l i>?
[29-Dec-2010 09:40:46] <csabo> yeah
[29-Dec-2010 09:40:49] <csabo> command line interface 
[29-Dec-2010 09:40:55] <csabo> one that lets you send IMs via a terminal
[29-Dec-2010 09:40:57] <csabo> so you could script it
[29-Dec-2010 09:41:15] <nstinson> hmmmm
[29-Dec-2010 09:41:18] <csabo> one sec
[29-Dec-2010 09:41:24] <csabo> docs/DOC-3496
[29-Dec-2010 09:41:27] <csabo> way to google man..
[29-Dec-2010 09:41:35] <csabo> thats what you want right there a jabber bot for zenoss
[29-Dec-2010 09:41:42] <nstinson> ah hah
[29-Dec-2010 09:41:49] <nstinson> waasn't looking for jabber keywords before:-p
[29-Dec-2010 09:42:37] <csabo> 
[29-Dec-2010 09:59:16] <nstinson> back
[29-Dec-2010 09:59:17] <nstinson> had a meeting
[29-Dec-2010 09:59:20] <nstinson> let's look at this...
[29-Dec-2010 10:01:04] <nstinson> so, I'd need to download this
[29-Dec-2010 10:12:02] <st3v3o> morning
[29-Dec-2010 10:14:21] <st3v3o> I'm trying to think of a way to build a mirror image of the zenoss box we have now for testing.  I was building a new system installing zenoss from RPM and then doing a device dump to xml and importing it …
[29-Dec-2010 10:14:42] <st3v3o> Is there a way to export all zenpacks to import into another system ?
[29-Dec-2010 10:39:43] <rmatte> st3v3o: you'd have to do a full zenbackup/restore to do that, or export each ZenPack invidually and install them individually (which would be the cleaner way to do it)
[29-Dec-2010 10:40:18] <st3v3o> yeah doing a zenbackup and restore didn't catch the zenpacks correctly
[29-Dec-2010 10:40:28] <rmatte> hmmm, it's supposed to
[29-Dec-2010 10:40:33] <st3v3o> can you export the default zenpacks ?
[29-Dec-2010 10:40:42] <st3v3o> I've only been able to export those that I have created
[29-Dec-2010 10:41:00] <rmatte> well... why would you export ZenPacks which you can easily download from the ZenPacks site?
[29-Dec-2010 10:41:54] <rmatte> but for future reference... if ZenPack isn't in development mode it can't be imported.  To restore a ZenPack to development mode you have to do...
[29-Dec-2010 10:42:04] <rmatte> cd $ZENHOME/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.whatever.whatever
[29-Dec-2010 10:42:04] <st3v3o> to verify we have a 1 for 1 match and we havn't mucked with them for some reason or another
[29-Dec-2010 10:42:16] <rmatte> cp $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/ZenPackTemplate/* .
[29-Dec-2010 10:43:13] <st3v3o> cool thanks rmatte
[29-Dec-2010 10:43:26] <rmatte> cp
[29-Dec-2010 10:43:28] <rmatte> np*
[29-Dec-2010 10:43:29] <rmatte> lol
[29-Dec-2010 10:43:39] <st3v3o> anyone have a cool project idea for these guru plugs ?
[29-Dec-2010 10:43:58] <st3v3o> I"m almost done with my xbmc box and I'll need a new project 
[29-Dec-2010 10:44:07] <rmatte> not really... I'd just turn it in to a glorified wireless router
[29-Dec-2010 10:44:15] <rmatte> 
[29-Dec-2010 10:45:10] <mray> st3v3o: remote collector
[29-Dec-2010 10:45:25] <st3v3o> mray…thats a good one.
[29-Dec-2010 10:45:44] <mray> should be about the right amount of computing/ram
[29-Dec-2010 10:45:47] <st3v3o> we have some PFS lite sites that only have 8 or so boxes
[29-Dec-2010 10:46:09] <mray> the guru plug probably can't run a full zenoss install
[29-Dec-2010 10:46:45] <st3v3o> yea I don't think it has that kind of power
[29-Dec-2010 10:46:50] <st3v3o> btw…hows the new gig
[29-Dec-2010 10:46:56] <mray> very good
[29-Dec-2010 11:07:53] <rmatte> grrr, one of the guys here scheduled a veeam backup to run at 11am instead of 11pm
[29-Dec-2010 11:08:15] <csabo> nice
[29-Dec-2010 11:08:47] <rmatte> and I don't have login rights to change it, heck I don't even know what server they put veeam on 
[29-Dec-2010 11:08:52] <rmatte> and he's on holidays
[29-Dec-2010 11:09:21] <rmatte> it's removing a snapshot after backing up our ldap/dns server
[29-Dec-2010 11:09:27] <rmatte> and it's freezing the server right up
[29-Dec-2010 11:09:34] <rmatte> which in turn is screwing with everything else
[29-Dec-2010 11:10:16] <rmatte> rabid, foam, kill kill kill
[29-Dec-2010 11:10:17] <rmatte> 
[29-Dec-2010 11:10:55] <st3v3o> thats no bueno
[29-Dec-2010 11:12:17] <rmatte> yup
[29-Dec-2010 12:30:09] <joko> hmm
[29-Dec-2010 12:30:49] <joko> monitoring processes in linux
[29-Dec-2010 12:31:06] <joko> haven't tried it yet
[29-Dec-2010 12:31:14] <joko> is it a pain?
[29-Dec-2010 12:31:20] <joko> does it use snmp?
[29-Dec-2010 12:31:23] <Simon4> uses snmp
[29-Dec-2010 12:31:33] <joko> hmm
[29-Dec-2010 12:31:40] <Simon4> is not difficult, define process under Processes, model device with said process, watch it appear on device and be modelled
[29-Dec-2010 12:31:53] <joko> sweet, thats what i was hoping 
[29-Dec-2010 12:32:10] <Simon4> the main trick is getting the process regex nice and tidy
[29-Dec-2010 12:32:18] <Simon4> so you don't catch all  sorts of fruity stuff
[29-Dec-2010 12:32:43] <joko> and by that, you mean the very exact name of the process
[29-Dec-2010 12:33:18] <joko> hmm
[29-Dec-2010 12:33:26] <joko> alright, lets try this
[29-Dec-2010 12:33:39] <Simon4> yup, or something that matches process + whichever cmdline argument you care about
[29-Dec-2010 12:35:40] <joko> Very nice
[29-Dec-2010 12:35:44] <joko> worked like a charm
[29-Dec-2010 12:35:54] * joko hugs zenoss
[29-Dec-2010 12:36:37] <joko> ps aux
[29-Dec-2010 12:36:39] <joko> woops
[29-Dec-2010 13:00:24] <joko> MCLOVEN
[29-Dec-2010 13:03:19] <csabo> lol
[29-Dec-2010 13:59:02] <rmatte> joko: he gets that a lot 
[29-Dec-2010 14:01:20] <mloven2> I do....    I'm just glad it references a good movie.  
[29-Dec-2010 14:01:27] <rmatte> lol
[29-Dec-2010 14:01:44] <davetoo> what did I miss? 
[29-Dec-2010 14:02:40] <rmatte> [12:53pm] <joko> MCLOVEN
[29-Dec-2010 14:02:55] <Simon4> that was pretty much the highlight of the day
[29-Dec-2010 14:02:57] <davetoo> whoosh
[29-Dec-2010 14:03:00] <rmatte> lol
[29-Dec-2010 14:03:03] * davetoo has no idea
[29-Dec-2010 14:03:20] <davetoo> so I got trunk built and started on my debian system last night 
[29-Dec-2010 14:03:34] <davetoo> dunno if it works, though; nothing to monitor here at home
[29-Dec-2010 14:04:41] <mray> davetoo: monitor the host server?
[29-Dec-2010 14:05:14] <davetoo> yeah, I could use the AMQP zenpack on it 
[29-Dec-2010 14:07:37] <davetoo> mray: you guys working this week?
[29-Dec-2010 14:07:45] <mray> some are
[29-Dec-2010 14:27:15] <joko> hmmm
[29-Dec-2010 14:27:22] * joko burps
[29-Dec-2010 14:28:26] <davetoo> right
[29-Dec-2010 14:52:36] <rmatte> interesting, if you do a whois on paypal.com you see...
[29-Dec-2010 14:52:42] <rmatte> Server Name: PAYPAL.COM.ZZZZZ.GET.LAID.AT.WWW.SWINGINGCOMMUNITY.COM
[29-Dec-2010 14:52:55] <mloven2> lol
[29-Dec-2010 14:53:47] <davetoo> http://geektools.com/whois.php
[29-Dec-2010 14:53:52] <rmatte> looks like tucow's domain database got fubared
[29-Dec-2010 14:53:52] <davetoo> not through geektools
[29-Dec-2010 14:54:03] <rmatte> nah, it's in the whois server info
[29-Dec-2010 14:54:07] <davetoo> rmatte: or "Anonymoused"
[29-Dec-2010 14:54:07] <rmatte> not the actual domain info
[29-Dec-2010 14:54:30] <rmatte>    Server Name: PAYPAL.COM.ZZZZZ.GET.LAID.AT.WWW.SWINGINGCOMMUNITY.COM
[29-Dec-2010 14:54:30] <rmatte>    IP Address: 69.41.185.207
[29-Dec-2010 14:54:30] <rmatte>    Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
[29-Dec-2010 14:54:30] <rmatte>    Whois Server: whois.tucows.com
[29-Dec-2010 14:54:30] <rmatte>    Referral URL: http://domainhelp.opensrs.net
[29-Dec-2010 14:54:41] <rmatte> wonder how they seeded that
[29-Dec-2010 14:54:57] <davetoo> I used to know how that worked 
[29-Dec-2010 14:55:02] <Simon4> my laptop returns that also
[29-Dec-2010 14:55:26] <rmatte> lol
[29-Dec-2010 14:58:26] <davetoo> so Simon4
[29-Dec-2010 14:58:39] <davetoo> I found a typo in that blog post, but I forgot what it was 
[29-Dec-2010 14:59:06] <Simon4> I thought of another way to do it also 
[29-Dec-2010 14:59:50] <davetoo> I'm curious about the performance implications
[29-Dec-2010 15:00:56] <Simon4> by having apache proxying the requests? or?
[29-Dec-2010 15:04:06] <davetoo> zenhub proxying all the render requests
[29-Dec-2010 15:04:14] <Simon4> ah yeah
[29-Dec-2010 15:04:37] <Simon4> so if you're proxying via httpd anyway, you can bypass that and have httpd talk direct to zenrender on the collector
[29-Dec-2010 15:04:45] <Simon4> keeps the zenhub free to do zenhub type things
[29-Dec-2010 15:05:16] <davetoo> I suppose proxying is something we could do
[29-Dec-2010 15:05:26] <davetoo> I need to start simple, though
[29-Dec-2010 15:06:45] <Simon4> you can also tune the number of zenhub workers, which would help some with perf if you find that rendering is hurting it
[29-Dec-2010 15:06:59] <Simon4> I doubt that that would be your first choke point though in a busy system
[29-Dec-2010 15:07:07] <Simon4> we're a bit special in the number of eyes we have on the UI
[29-Dec-2010 15:07:22] <davetoo> aye
[29-Dec-2010 15:10:05] <davetoo> trunk UI seems confused
[29-Dec-2010 15:14:13] <csabo> rmatte:
[29-Dec-2010 15:14:29] <csabo> can you think of any reason why i cant exec certain binaries when an event occurs? i dont get any errors
[29-Dec-2010 15:14:41] <csabo> like, i can run /usr/bin/killall just fine
[29-Dec-2010 15:14:54] <csabo> but if i do /usr/bin/firefox or just "firefox" it doesnt work
[29-Dec-2010 15:15:03] <csabo> from a term on the workstation, works fine of course
[29-Dec-2010 15:15:39] <davetoo> firefox is a complicated case
[29-Dec-2010 15:15:45] <csabo> okay
[29-Dec-2010 15:16:01] <csabo> I picked it simply for testing
[29-Dec-2010 15:16:03] <davetoo> you've got X environment and permissions,
[29-Dec-2010 15:16:28] <davetoo> a running zenoss will have no $DISPLAY set
[29-Dec-2010 15:16:35] <csabo> ah, this isnt zenoss
[29-Dec-2010 15:16:45] <csabo> this is tivoli, and its got an agent on the workstation
[29-Dec-2010 15:16:48] <csabo> and all commands are run as root
[29-Dec-2010 15:17:31] <csabo> however the X thing still seems to apply
[29-Dec-2010 15:17:38] <davetoo> I didn't realize I was in #bigSpendyMonitoringApp
[29-Dec-2010 15:17:42] <csabo> i can make it run an update with the package manager
[29-Dec-2010 15:17:44] <csabo> lol dave
[29-Dec-2010 15:17:46] <davetoo> 
[29-Dec-2010 15:17:53] <Simon4> davetoo: oh, shit, sorry, that's the other thing that happened today
[29-Dec-2010 15:17:57] <csabo> eg, yum update -y works fine
[29-Dec-2010 15:17:59] <Simon4> we all moved to tivoli
[29-Dec-2010 15:18:04] <csabo> yeah
[29-Dec-2010 15:18:07] <csabo> its boss right simon?
[29-Dec-2010 15:18:25] <Simon4> it's ... something
[29-Dec-2010 15:19:06] <csabo> yeah
[29-Dec-2010 15:19:15] <csabo> you work with the tools you've got im afraid
[29-Dec-2010 15:19:46] <Simon4> csabo: what command are you trying to run? chances are you're running into somethin gthat wants $DISPLAY (i.e. X) or something else set in the environment
[29-Dec-2010 15:19:54] <csabo> gotcha
[29-Dec-2010 15:20:14] <csabo> i tested on gedit, and firefox,  avisual output is easier to see
[29-Dec-2010 15:20:25] <csabo> when i did cli, i piped output to a txt file and cat'ed it to make sure it worked
[29-Dec-2010 15:20:25] <davetoo> hah
[29-Dec-2010 15:20:30] <Simon4> create a shell script that echos something to a file
[29-Dec-2010 15:20:34] <Simon4> make it call that
[29-Dec-2010 15:20:35] <csabo> already did
[29-Dec-2010 15:20:47] <Simon4> using X apps will be fail, pretty much every time
[29-Dec-2010 15:20:53] <csabo> gotcha 
[29-Dec-2010 15:21:20] <Simon4> now, since this is Tivoli, here is my invoice for £1,000,000
[29-Dec-2010 15:21:22] <Simon4> 
[29-Dec-2010 15:22:58] <csabo> lol
[29-Dec-2010 15:23:06] <csabo> looks like its a a good product
[29-Dec-2010 15:23:10] <csabo> once i get it figured out
[29-Dec-2010 15:32:17] <csabo> this logic doesnt make any sense
[29-Dec-2010 15:32:29] <csabo> i literally cant seem to do somthing as simple as if its not a running process do this
[29-Dec-2010 15:32:40] <csabo> i have to pick which state i want, and there  seems to be no OR option
[29-Dec-2010 15:32:42] <csabo> its just AND
[29-Dec-2010 15:33:48] <rmatte> what do you mean "if it's a running process"?
[29-Dec-2010 15:33:57] <rmatte> if it were running the alert wouldn't have come in in the first place, no?
[29-Dec-2010 15:34:05] <csabo> thats what im going for
[29-Dec-2010 15:34:11] <csabo> i have to pick a state for the process
[29-Dec-2010 15:34:15] <csabo> the usual list is there
[29-Dec-2010 15:34:40] <rmatte> oh, this is tivoli you're talking about?
[29-Dec-2010 15:34:40] <csabo> running,sleeeping,zombie,trace, N/A, Disk and dead
[29-Dec-2010 15:34:42] <csabo> yeah
[29-Dec-2010 15:34:44] <csabo> its retarded
[29-Dec-2010 15:34:44] <rmatte> ah
[29-Dec-2010 15:34:52] <csabo> theres a greater than less than option
[29-Dec-2010 15:35:02] <csabo> but that doesnt do any good due to the way they are numbered
[29-Dec-2010 15:35:46] <csabo> because -1 is not larger than 5
[29-Dec-2010 15:55:06] <rmatte> nice
[29-Dec-2010 16:36:25] <rmatte> I hate Microsoft CRM so very much
[29-Dec-2010 16:51:04] <tehhobbit> sharepoint ?
[29-Dec-2010 17:01:04] <SEJeff> s/CRM/Software/ then you have my opinion 
[29-Dec-2010 17:02:49] <tehhobbit> just heard of it dont have the slightest idea what it is
[29-Dec-2010 17:03:30] <davetoo> sharepoint?
[29-Dec-2010 17:03:39] <davetoo> it's teh Borg
[29-Dec-2010 17:18:31] <rmatte> it's not sharepoint, it's a customer relations manager
[29-Dec-2010 17:18:39] <rmatte> which they make us use to track our time
[29-Dec-2010 17:18:42] <rmatte> and it's absolutely horrid
[29-Dec-2010 18:16:11] <mray> does anyone have examples of setting properties via zendmd?
[29-Dec-2010 18:16:26] <mray> I can't get setZenProperty('zCommandUsername', 'zenoss') to work
[29-Dec-2010 18:16:36] <mray> or actually
[29-Dec-2010 18:16:44] <mray> dmd.Devices.Server.SSH.Linux.setZenProperty('zCommandUsername','zenoss2')
[29-Dec-2010 18:24:58] <mray> oh jeez, don't try setting properties after you've already corrupted your zeodb 
[29-Dec-2010 19:06:44] <davetoo> I need an snmp agent simulator ($free) 
[29-Dec-2010 19:08:52] <davetoo> I suppose if I needed one badly enough I could figure out a way to do it with net-snmp
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[30-Dec-2010 07:26:23] <Ai__> is anyone able to point me in the right direction for info on how to get data in graphs
[30-Dec-2010 07:26:39] <Ai__> I have been up all night but still no success
[30-Dec-2010 07:26:48] <Ai__> my graphs are empty
[30-Dec-2010 07:27:38] <Ai__> if there is a link to the right place for a good step by step I would really appreciate it, thanks in advance
[30-Dec-2010 08:30:45] <csabo> morn
[30-Dec-2010 09:03:58] <Ai__> I need help with getting graphs done, right now my graphs are empty
[30-Dec-2010 09:04:42] <csabo> yeah
[30-Dec-2010 09:04:46] <kokey> dunno about graphs really
[30-Dec-2010 09:04:50] <csabo> stop zenoss
[30-Dec-2010 09:04:59] <csabo> ssh in, wipe out the RRD folder
[30-Dec-2010 09:05:00] <csabo> then start zenoss
[30-Dec-2010 09:05:06] <csabo> it should start building them
[30-Dec-2010 09:05:17] <csabo> you will lose any graph history that you did have
[30-Dec-2010 09:05:57] <Ai__> thanks, will try that.
[30-Dec-2010 09:06:40] <csabo> yup 
[30-Dec-2010 09:06:48] <csabo> if that doesnt fix it let us know, but you should b egood
[30-Dec-2010 09:11:20] <kokey> i guess fiddling with graph settings might give some rrd problems
[30-Dec-2010 09:12:34] <Ai__> The graphs should have loaded automatically but it did not work with my stack-install 
[30-Dec-2010 09:12:48] <csabo> wait have they ever worked?
[30-Dec-2010 09:12:58] <csabo> way to be a luser, you didnt say they never worked
[30-Dec-2010 09:13:05] <Ai__> no not yet
[30-Dec-2010 09:13:08] <csabo> Thats not the zenoss install, thats you not setting up monitoring correctly
[30-Dec-2010 09:13:12] * csabo leaves
[30-Dec-2010 09:13:30] <Ai__> I fugured
[30-Dec-2010 09:13:49] <Ai__> I was really hoping that perhaps you could point me to the right place
[30-Dec-2010 09:14:09] <Ai__> I tried the Admin guide but still cannot find my way
[30-Dec-2010 09:14:22] <csabo> WMI or SNMP
[30-Dec-2010 09:14:27] <Ai__> I think I may be close just not there yet
[30-Dec-2010 09:14:36] <Ai__> SNMP
[30-Dec-2010 09:14:43] <Ai__> Linux servers
[30-Dec-2010 09:14:44] <csabo> when you model the device
[30-Dec-2010 09:14:57] <csabo> does the verbose window show the stuff it found?
[30-Dec-2010 09:15:03] <csabo> and do you see the stats
[30-Dec-2010 09:16:31] <Ai__> Yep
[30-Dec-2010 09:16:48] <Ai__> here is an example
[30-Dec-2010 09:16:52] <csabo> use pastebin
[30-Dec-2010 09:16:53] <Ai__> name_a, zenoss.cmd.df, zenoss.cmd.linux.ifconfig, zenoss.cmd.linux.memory, zenoss.cmd.linux.netstat_rn, zenoss.cmd.linux.netstat_an, zenoss.cmd.linux.process
[30-Dec-2010 09:16:58] <csabo> k
[30-Dec-2010 09:17:14] <csabo> at the bottom it should say configuration changes were made
[30-Dec-2010 09:17:17] <csabo> doe sit?
[30-Dec-2010 09:17:42] <Ai__> 2010-12-30 09:15:40,037 INFO zen.ZenModeler: Changes in configuration applied
[30-Dec-2010 09:18:16] <csabo> hm
[30-Dec-2010 09:18:25] <csabo> how long did you wait after first model for graphs to show up
[30-Dec-2010 09:19:03] <Ai__> This is my second install and to tell you the truth I am yet to see graphs
[30-Dec-2010 09:19:13] <csabo> it can take 20min or more for them to show up
[30-Dec-2010 09:19:13] <Ai__> I went on vacation and came back
[30-Dec-2010 09:19:16] <csabo> oh lol
[30-Dec-2010 09:19:26] <Ai__> was up all of last night until now
[30-Dec-2010 09:19:27] <csabo> are you using the default classes for stuff?
[30-Dec-2010 09:19:29] <Ai__> still no joy
[30-Dec-2010 09:19:39] <csabo> or are you using custom classes for the servers
[30-Dec-2010 09:19:39] <Ai__> yep
[30-Dec-2010 09:19:42] <csabo> hm
[30-Dec-2010 09:20:05] <Ai__> no I am using mostly defaults
[30-Dec-2010 09:20:11] <Ai__> actually
[30-Dec-2010 09:20:32] <Ai__> I was hope to tweak once I got going
[30-Dec-2010 09:20:38] <Ai__> this is strange
[30-Dec-2010 09:22:23] <Ai__> simple things, (what appears simple) did not work for me
[30-Dec-2010 09:22:36] <Ai__> stuff like FileSystem usage
[30-Dec-2010 09:22:49] <Ai__> I get the total available
[30-Dec-2010 09:23:05] <Ai__> but no usage nor % utilizations
[30-Dec-2010 09:23:10] <csabo> i'm not sure i'll be able to help you mate 
[30-Dec-2010 09:23:13] <csabo> sounds like your snmp config is bad
[30-Dec-2010 09:23:23] <csabo> i didnt do much with SNMP with zenoss, it was all WMI
[30-Dec-2010 09:23:41] <Ai__> I see
[30-Dec-2010 09:23:45] <csabo> rmatte:  you here
[30-Dec-2010 09:23:52] <csabo> someone needs you to save the day
[30-Dec-2010 09:23:59] <Ai__> I do not have a Window box to compare the restults
[30-Dec-2010 09:24:29] <Ai__> I could get one set up and the reverse engineer
[30-Dec-2010 09:24:37] <Ai__> that would take me some time
[30-Dec-2010 09:24:46] <Ai__> but I am willing to go the distance
[30-Dec-2010 09:25:30] <csabo> nah no need
[30-Dec-2010 09:25:32] <csabo> i'm just useless
[30-Dec-2010 09:25:37] <csabo> not sure where everyone is
[30-Dec-2010 09:25:40] <Ai__> no not at all
[30-Dec-2010 09:25:47] <csabo> but theres a handfull in here that will be able to get you resolved
[30-Dec-2010 09:25:48] <Ai__> I appreciate you help
[30-Dec-2010 09:25:59] <Ai__> I wish I knew more as wll
[30-Dec-2010 09:26:01] <Ai__> well
[30-Dec-2010 09:26:25] <csabo> 
[30-Dec-2010 09:27:21] <csabo> one sec lemme login to old zenos sinstall
[30-Dec-2010 09:27:37] <Ai__> okay
[30-Dec-2010 09:28:52] <csabo> okay, i have my linux servers in /Server/Linux
[30-Dec-2010 09:29:02] <csabo> and using SNMP, with the "Device" template bound, my graphs work
[30-Dec-2010 09:29:07] <Ai__> Likewise
[30-Dec-2010 09:29:15] <csabo> can you check bound templates
[30-Dec-2010 09:29:35] <csabo> (click the gear in the bottom left)
[30-Dec-2010 09:29:42] <csabo> top option is "bind templates"
[30-Dec-2010 09:30:19] <Ai__> in the selected section I have /Server/Linux
[30-Dec-2010 09:30:28] <csabo> it should say device
[30-Dec-2010 09:30:37] <Ai__> yes Device
[30-Dec-2010 09:30:38] <csabo> it says name of template, and its bound location
[30-Dec-2010 09:30:39] <csabo> Alright
[30-Dec-2010 09:30:48] <Ai__> Device(/Server/Linux)
[30-Dec-2010 09:30:56] <csabo> do me a fave, do a remodel
[30-Dec-2010 09:31:01] <csabo> and copy / paste the entire thing
[30-Dec-2010 09:31:06] <csabo> and put in www.pastebin.com
[30-Dec-2010 09:32:26] <Ai__> done
[30-Dec-2010 09:32:35] <Ai__> wow, never used that before
[30-Dec-2010 09:32:39] <Ai__> hope it worked
[30-Dec-2010 09:33:49] <Ai__> I did not wait got the last four line
[30-Dec-2010 09:33:50] <Ai__> s
[30-Dec-2010 09:34:20] <csabo> 
[30-Dec-2010 09:34:22] <Ai__> but pretty much is said: Changes in configuration applied
[30-Dec-2010 09:34:24] <csabo> whats the URL
[30-Dec-2010 09:34:32] <csabo> for the pastebin
[30-Dec-2010 09:34:44] <Ai__> http://pastebin.com/CWuhgR50
[30-Dec-2010 09:36:57] <csabo> hmm
[30-Dec-2010 09:38:58] <csabo> well your output for SNMP plugins is different from mine
[30-Dec-2010 09:39:12] <csabo> although depending on what its detected thats not a bad or uncommon thing
[30-Dec-2010 09:39:24] <csabo> plugins: zenoss.snmp.NewDeviceMap, zenoss.snmp.DeviceMap, zenoss.snmp.InterfaceMap, zenoss.snmp.RouteMap, zenoss.snmp.IpServiceMap, zenoss.snmp.HRFileSystemMap, zenoss.snmp.HRSWRunMap
[30-Dec-2010 09:39:26] <csabo> was my list for instnace
[30-Dec-2010 09:40:48] <Ai__> I do have some of those values
[30-Dec-2010 09:41:00] <csabo> can you pastebin your snmpd config ?
[30-Dec-2010 09:41:00] <Ai__> but perhaps I need to clean it up a bit
[30-Dec-2010 09:41:12] <Ai__> sure
[30-Dec-2010 09:44:37] <Ai__> http://pastebin.com/Pz9Wnu5e
[30-Dec-2010 09:44:47] <Ai__> the stuff without comments
[30-Dec-2010 09:45:53] <csabo> did you get that out of the community zenoss page?
[30-Dec-2010 09:47:24] <Ai__> I am sure parts came from there?
[30-Dec-2010 09:47:38] <Ai__> I may have strayed a bit on the web
[30-Dec-2010 09:47:38] <csabo> k
[30-Dec-2010 09:47:47] <csabo> one sec
[30-Dec-2010 09:48:02] <csabo> i dont have zenoss at this job, im trying to remember all the ips/ports/logins for my last job 
[30-Dec-2010 09:48:32] <Ai__> The port I am using is the default 161
[30-Dec-2010 09:48:35] <kokey> heh
[30-Dec-2010 09:48:42] <Ai__> I know I know
[30-Dec-2010 09:48:56] <csabo> im RDPing into a server so i can SSH into the linux server
[30-Dec-2010 09:49:00] <csabo> and look at my snmpd config
[30-Dec-2010 09:49:04] <csabo> i was more open with mine
[30-Dec-2010 09:49:14] <csabo> i did ro on a couple things but didnt limit it
[30-Dec-2010 09:49:25] <Ai__> oh okay
[30-Dec-2010 09:49:31] <Ai__> please do tell
[30-Dec-2010 09:49:33] <Ai__> thanks
[30-Dec-2010 09:49:34] <csabo> 
[30-Dec-2010 09:49:40] <kokey> your snmpd config seems like it should work
[30-Dec-2010 09:49:46] <kokey> but test it with an snmpwalk anyway
[30-Dec-2010 09:49:59] <csabo> it pulls data just fine
[30-Dec-2010 09:50:02] <joko> shizzle
[30-Dec-2010 09:50:05] <csabo> its graphs that arent working
[30-Dec-2010 09:50:11] <csabo> I dunno if they are NAN'ed or not loading
[30-Dec-2010 09:50:24] <kokey> i'm looking at the one on http://pastebin.com/Pz9Wnu5e and it looks wide open to me
[30-Dec-2010 09:50:27] <joko> make sure all the zenoss processes are started
[30-Dec-2010 09:50:33] <csabo> yea
[30-Dec-2010 09:50:34] <Ai__>  the grapgs show nan
[30-Dec-2010 09:50:49] <csabo> zenperf right?
[30-Dec-2010 09:50:54] <kokey> what oids are you using for the graphs?
[30-Dec-2010 09:51:04] <joko> csabo: think so
[30-Dec-2010 09:51:04] <kokey>  
[30-Dec-2010 09:51:28] <kokey> snmpwalk them and see if they actually work
[30-Dec-2010 09:52:03] <kokey> or doesn't the entire graphs thing for a particular server work?
[30-Dec-2010 09:52:15] <kokey> or are we talking about adding a graph for a custom value?
[30-Dec-2010 09:52:43] <csabo> first one
[30-Dec-2010 09:53:02] <joko> rm -rf /usr/local/zenoss
[30-Dec-2010 09:53:38] <csabo> lol
[30-Dec-2010 09:53:44] <Ai__> http://pastebin.com/tnqd0inr
[30-Dec-2010 09:54:00] <kokey> ok i wasn't really following
[30-Dec-2010 09:54:18] <kokey> went for lunch
[30-Dec-2010 09:54:35] <Ai__> lunch where in the world are you?
[30-Dec-2010 09:54:58] <kokey> london
[30-Dec-2010 09:55:03] <Ai__> Oh I see
[30-Dec-2010 09:55:05] <Ai__> I am in DC
[30-Dec-2010 09:55:15] <kokey> which stop on the subway is that?
[30-Dec-2010 09:55:20] <kokey> ;-)
[30-Dec-2010 09:55:23] <Ai__> LOL
[30-Dec-2010 09:55:41] <joko> 'the tube' don't you mean
[30-Dec-2010 09:55:45] <kokey> i would have said tube but then it may have been less funny for you
[30-Dec-2010 09:55:55] <joko> lawl
[30-Dec-2010 09:55:59] <Ai__> I would have been lost indeed
[30-Dec-2010 09:56:03] <kokey> i do remember a girl trying to find swindon on the tube map
[30-Dec-2010 09:56:07] <Ai__> not yet been to London
[30-Dec-2010 09:56:43] <Ai__> so any ideas yet
[30-Dec-2010 09:56:59] <joko> mind the gap!
[30-Dec-2010 09:57:13] <kokey> between the ears of the commuters
[30-Dec-2010 09:57:22] <Ai__> okay
[30-Dec-2010 09:57:24] <Ai__> LOL
[30-Dec-2010 09:57:37] <Ai__> I have been up for 24hrs now
[30-Dec-2010 09:57:40] <kokey> Ai__: not really, it looks like your snmp setup is right
[30-Dec-2010 09:57:54] <kokey> Ai__: you've either managed to mangle something a bit
[30-Dec-2010 09:58:01] <Ai__> hmmm
[30-Dec-2010 09:58:04] <Ai__> figured
[30-Dec-2010 09:58:14] <Ai__> not sure what that could be?
[30-Dec-2010 09:58:20] <kokey> Ai__: or there's some strange little detail in there somewhere that will only become evident with a fresh look
[30-Dec-2010 09:58:33] <joko> tcpdump it
[30-Dec-2010 09:58:33] <Ai__> been looking for a while
[30-Dec-2010 09:58:38] <kokey> yeah tcpdump it
[30-Dec-2010 09:58:45] <kokey> so you can see if it's actually making the requests
[30-Dec-2010 09:58:51] <kokey> to the right ip addresses, etc.
[30-Dec-2010 09:58:56] <joko> indeed
[30-Dec-2010 09:59:10] <Ai__> I need some help here
[30-Dec-2010 09:59:14] <kokey> it sounds to me that it's going to be some little detail that has thrown a spanner in the works
[30-Dec-2010 09:59:25] <kokey> tcpdump -n port 161
[30-Dec-2010 09:59:27] <Ai__> tcpdump? what is the actual command that I need
[30-Dec-2010 09:59:42] <kokey> or tcpdump -n -i eth0 port 161
[30-Dec-2010 09:59:46] <joko> tcpdump -ni eth0 'udp port 161'
[30-Dec-2010 10:00:20] <kokey> and you should see a fair amount of snmp chatter after a while
[30-Dec-2010 10:01:33] <joko> packet captures work great to analyze the snmp requests tho, highly recommend, helped me solve or pinpoint numerous zenoss/snmp issues
[30-Dec-2010 10:02:00] <joko> tcpdump -ni eth0 'host x.x.x.x & udp port 161'
[30-Dec-2010 10:06:30] <joko> blah, what a pointless work day.
[30-Dec-2010 10:09:54] <Ai__> http://pastebin.com/vc1bY3Nx
[30-Dec-2010 10:10:06] <Ai__> this is my tcpdump output so far
[30-Dec-2010 10:10:43] <joko> okay
[30-Dec-2010 10:10:49] <joko> you need to make sure you filter it though
[30-Dec-2010 10:10:58] <joko> i would recommend
[30-Dec-2010 10:11:02] <joko> tcpdump -ni eth0 'host x.x.x.x & udp port 161'
[30-Dec-2010 10:11:28] <joko> for host x.x.x.x use the host you are sending snmp requests to
[30-Dec-2010 10:11:32] <davetoo> .
[30-Dec-2010 10:11:50] <kokey> that looks like the output of tcpdump -n
[30-Dec-2010 10:11:54] <kokey> without anything else
[30-Dec-2010 10:11:57] <joko> yea
[30-Dec-2010 10:12:01] <joko> you are seeing everything
[30-Dec-2010 10:12:02] <kokey> that's why it contains ssh and https traffic
[30-Dec-2010 10:15:36] <Ai__> I am getting the same thing either way?
[30-Dec-2010 10:15:47] <Ai__> I may have it all too wide open
[30-Dec-2010 10:15:56] <kokey> that's weird
[30-Dec-2010 10:16:04] <kokey> what's the exact tcpdump command you are using?
[30-Dec-2010 10:16:16] <kokey> and options
[30-Dec-2010 10:16:26] <Ai__> tcpdump -ni eth0 host 141.161.54.174 & udp port 161
[30-Dec-2010 10:16:37] <kokey> ah
[30-Dec-2010 10:16:46] <kokey> put '141.161.54.174 & udp port 161'
[30-Dec-2010 10:16:57] <kokey> no
[30-Dec-2010 10:16:57] <kokey> sorry
[30-Dec-2010 10:17:02] <kokey> 'host 141.161.54.174 & udp port 161'
[30-Dec-2010 10:17:15] <Ai__> I get a syntax error with that
[30-Dec-2010 10:17:19] <kokey> if you leave the quotes out, then it runs everything up to the & in background
[30-Dec-2010 10:17:31] <kokey> replace the & with the word 'and' then
[30-Dec-2010 10:17:35] <Ai__> let me go again
[30-Dec-2010 10:17:36] <kokey> host 141.161.54.174 and udp port 161
[30-Dec-2010 10:17:46] <kokey> i normally use and instead of &
[30-Dec-2010 10:17:52] <kokey> today was the first time i saw someone use &
[30-Dec-2010 10:18:11] <kokey> with and you don't have to use the quotes either
[30-Dec-2010 10:18:17] <Ai__> okay
[30-Dec-2010 10:18:26] <Ai__> let me try that then
[30-Dec-2010 10:18:32] <kokey> tcpdump -ni eth0 host 141.161.54.174 and udp port 161
[30-Dec-2010 10:20:01] <Ai__> nothing yet
[30-Dec-2010 10:20:15] <Ai__> hanging and waiting for verbose option
[30-Dec-2010 10:20:36] <kokey> hmmm, interesting
[30-Dec-2010 10:20:43] <kokey> it's looking a bit like there's no snmp traffic then
[30-Dec-2010 10:20:59] <kokey> replace port 161 with port 443 and you'll see traffic
[30-Dec-2010 10:21:07] <kokey> but that would be https
[30-Dec-2010 10:21:20] <kokey> but would show that the tcpdump options are working as expected
[30-Dec-2010 10:21:53] <Ai__> nope still hanging with 443
[30-Dec-2010 10:22:06] <kokey> weird
[30-Dec-2010 10:22:09] <kokey> paste your command line
[30-Dec-2010 10:22:21] <Ai__> tcpdump -ni eth0 host 141.161.54.174 and udp port 443
[30-Dec-2010 10:22:34] <kokey> well actually keep that running while clicking on the web interface
[30-Dec-2010 10:22:55] <kokey> it probably only does stuff with every 60 seconds refresh if you are not doing something on it
[30-Dec-2010 10:24:06] <Ai__> no joy
[30-Dec-2010 10:24:18] <kokey> ooh
[30-Dec-2010 10:24:20] <kokey> doh
[30-Dec-2010 10:24:25] <Ai__> I know
[30-Dec-2010 10:24:30] <kokey> change udp to tcp for port 443
[30-Dec-2010 10:24:31] <kokey> my bad
[30-Dec-2010 10:24:55] <kokey> heh so much for a quick little test if we keep on giving you bad options
[30-Dec-2010 10:25:23] <Ai__> tcp on port 80 dumps stuff out
[30-Dec-2010 10:25:29] <kokey> ok cool
[30-Dec-2010 10:25:36] <kokey> so tcpdump works as expected
[30-Dec-2010 10:25:49] <joko> w3rd
[30-Dec-2010 10:25:53] <kokey> but if you leave it on port 161 you see nothing
[30-Dec-2010 10:26:03] <kokey> which seems to indicate that it's not even trying to make snmp requests
[30-Dec-2010 10:26:03] <Ai__> correct
[30-Dec-2010 10:26:28] <kokey> actually leave it for a couple of minutes, i'm not sure how many hosts you are monitoring but it might not be wanting to send that much stuff
[30-Dec-2010 10:26:43] <joko> yea
[30-Dec-2010 10:26:56] <Ai__> I only have a few on right now
[30-Dec-2010 10:26:57] <kokey> joko: what's the default polling time on zenoss, 1 minute?
[30-Dec-2010 10:27:09] <kokey> or 5 minutes?
[30-Dec-2010 10:27:13] <joko> for snmp, 5 i think
[30-Dec-2010 10:27:19] <kokey> ah ok
[30-Dec-2010 10:27:20] <joko> pretty sure
[30-Dec-2010 10:27:26] <joko> you can remodel the device
[30-Dec-2010 10:27:28] <kokey> makes sense that's what i always use
[30-Dec-2010 10:27:35] <Ai__> okay
[30-Dec-2010 10:27:40] <Ai__> yep here we go
[30-Dec-2010 10:27:43] <kokey> yeah remodel and watch the snmp traffic
[30-Dec-2010 10:27:59] <kokey> if you don't see anything during a remodel then something weird is borked
[30-Dec-2010 10:29:14] <Ai__> http://pastebin.com/y5taAsGR
[30-Dec-2010 10:29:23] <Ai__> the output
[30-Dec-2010 10:29:54] <kokey> looks like snmp works fine there
[30-Dec-2010 10:30:20] <joko> yea
[30-Dec-2010 10:30:30] <joko> talking back and forth fine
[30-Dec-2010 10:30:39] <Ai__> still no graph data 
[30-Dec-2010 10:31:07] <Ai__> I think we are close
[30-Dec-2010 10:31:11] <joko> what device are you using to look at
[30-Dec-2010 10:31:13] <Ai__> whats next
[30-Dec-2010 10:31:13] <joko> er
[30-Dec-2010 10:31:17] <joko> whats the OS of the device
[30-Dec-2010 10:31:20] <joko> yopu are monitoring
[30-Dec-2010 10:31:34] <Ai__> CentOS x86_64
[30-Dec-2010 10:31:40] <joko> okay
[30-Dec-2010 10:32:10] <joko> and you have correctly binded the Device template for linux to that Perf tab?
[30-Dec-2010 10:32:20] <Ai__> Hmm
[30-Dec-2010 10:32:30] <Ai__> not sure about what you just said
[30-Dec-2010 10:32:38] <joko> what version of zenoss?
[30-Dec-2010 10:32:46] <Ai__> 3.0.3
[30-Dec-2010 10:32:48] <joko> hmm
[30-Dec-2010 10:32:54] <joko> im not so familiar with that one
[30-Dec-2010 10:33:13] <Ai__> I was wondering if I got bit by that bug
[30-Dec-2010 10:33:19] <Ai__> what version are you using?
[30-Dec-2010 10:33:36] <joko> 2.5.2
[30-Dec-2010 10:33:42] <joko> well, it should essentially be similar
[30-Dec-2010 10:33:48] <kokey> i'm on 3.0.3
[30-Dec-2010 10:33:50] <joko> in your centos device
[30-Dec-2010 10:34:10] <joko> in the performance area, can you go further into a template area?
[30-Dec-2010 10:34:31] <kokey> in 3.0.3 you just drag the device to /Server/Linux
[30-Dec-2010 10:34:39] <joko> hmm
[30-Dec-2010 10:34:46] <Ai__> yes that is what I did pretty much
[30-Dec-2010 10:35:12] <joko> i dunno then with 3.0.3.
[30-Dec-2010 10:35:16] <kokey> if you are on the actual device detail page
[30-Dec-2010 10:35:27] <kokey> does it show stuff under components?
[30-Dec-2010 10:35:34] <joko> have you tried 'zenoss restart' ?
[30-Dec-2010 10:35:52] <Ai__> I restarted a few hours ago
[30-Dec-2010 10:36:02] <Ai__> just before coming onto irc
[30-Dec-2010 10:36:07] <joko> yeah, does it pull any SNMP information?
[30-Dec-2010 10:36:10] <kokey> like network routes, interfaces, os processes, file systems, etc?
[30-Dec-2010 10:36:16] <Ai__> oh yes
[30-Dec-2010 10:36:19] <Ai__> it does
[30-Dec-2010 10:36:20] <joko> yea
[30-Dec-2010 10:36:26] <kokey> ok so that works
[30-Dec-2010 10:36:30] <Ai__> I get my location and contact
[30-Dec-2010 10:37:02] <kokey> ok that's on the overview section
[30-Dec-2010 10:37:07] <Ai__> yep
[30-Dec-2010 10:37:15] <joko> i've had problems like that before, usually it was a process problem in zenoss... the
[30-Dec-2010 10:37:19] <kokey> but under the components section it shows stuff like interfaces, file systems etc?
[30-Dec-2010 10:37:32] <joko> you might want to poke around in /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/log  and see if you see any issues
[30-Dec-2010 10:37:37] <kokey> and if you click on interfaces
[30-Dec-2010 10:37:39] <Ai__> yes it does
[30-Dec-2010 10:37:44] <kokey> and display is set to graphs
[30-Dec-2010 10:37:59] <kokey> does it show graphs with just NaN values in them?
[30-Dec-2010 10:38:17] <joko> is NaN 'not available now'?
[30-Dec-2010 10:38:21] <Ai__> correct just nan values in all the fields
[30-Dec-2010 10:38:26] <kokey> hmmm
[30-Dec-2010 10:38:36] <kokey> yeah check the log
[30-Dec-2010 10:38:42] <joko> i would check the logs and see if you can find errors
[30-Dec-2010 10:38:48] <kokey> but this is sounding familiar
[30-Dec-2010 10:39:02] <kokey> how did you install, with an RPM?
[30-Dec-2010 10:39:10] <kokey> i'm just wondering if it's a permissions problem on the rrd files
[30-Dec-2010 10:39:10] <Ai__> no I did not
[30-Dec-2010 10:39:17] <Ai__> with the stack install
[30-Dec-2010 10:39:18] <joko> i've had hung processes, and had to clear out stale files
[30-Dec-2010 10:39:39] <joko> Ai__ : are you starting zenoss with the user zenoss?
[30-Dec-2010 10:39:48] <Ai__> no
[30-Dec-2010 10:39:52] <joko> okay
[30-Dec-2010 10:39:58] <kokey> actually you can search for the rrd files and do an rrdtool info on one of them and check the last update time
[30-Dec-2010 10:40:02] <Ai__> I think we are on to something
[30-Dec-2010 10:40:15] <Ai__> where
[30-Dec-2010 10:40:26] <Ai__> $ZENHOME/?
[30-Dec-2010 10:40:29] <joko> Ai__ : You need to stop zenoss then as root, or whomever started it. Then su - zenoss and start zenoss as the zenoss user
[30-Dec-2010 10:40:54] <rmatte> Ai__: I'm coming in to this conversation late... but you're not getting data in your performance graphs for a Linux server?
[30-Dec-2010 10:41:22] <Ai__> yes
[30-Dec-2010 10:41:23] <kokey> in my case one is at /opt/zenoss/perf/Devices/testapp/os/interfaces/eth0/ifInOctets_ifInOctets.rrd
[30-Dec-2010 10:41:28] <kokey> where testapp is a hostname
[30-Dec-2010 10:41:41] <rmatte> Ai__: 90% of the time it's because net-snmp is left with it's default config, is that what you did?
[30-Dec-2010 10:41:58] <rmatte> the default config has paranoid security settings, so it doesn't provide all of the SNMP OIDs that Zenoss needs
[30-Dec-2010 10:42:04] <Ai__> I made a few minor changes
[30-Dec-2010 10:42:08] <kokey> rmatte: we checked he's got 1.* open
[30-Dec-2010 10:42:08] <joko> ahh
[30-Dec-2010 10:42:16] <joko> yeah, i would rip out the config and just have the basics
[30-Dec-2010 10:42:17] <rmatte> Ai__: I'll give you a working config
[30-Dec-2010 10:42:23] <kokey> rmatte: and it seems to pick up the interfaces etc.
[30-Dec-2010 10:42:25] <Ai__> great
[30-Dec-2010 10:42:33] <kokey> hmmmm
[30-Dec-2010 10:42:38] <rmatte> kokey: I guarantee it's his snmp config
[30-Dec-2010 10:42:53] <kokey> but you may have a point from the snmp walk that he did paste looks like one where it only prints the default tree
[30-Dec-2010 10:43:01] <kokey> but it's hard to say with only the first 30 lines
[30-Dec-2010 10:43:10] <joko> bonk
[30-Dec-2010 10:43:16] <rmatte> Ai__: http://fpaste.org/DZ13/raw/
[30-Dec-2010 10:43:22] <rmatte> use that
[30-Dec-2010 10:43:39] <rmatte> change the trapsink destination from 192.168.0.1 to the IP of your Zenoss server, or comment them out if you don't want traps
[30-Dec-2010 10:43:52] <rmatte> change the community strings from public/private to whatever you want
[30-Dec-2010 10:44:04] <rmatte> the rwcommunity is disabled by default (commented out)
[30-Dec-2010 10:44:14] <rmatte> also modify the syslocation and syscontact lines
[30-Dec-2010 10:44:17] <rmatte> then restart snmpd
[30-Dec-2010 10:44:20] <rmatte> and you should be in business
[30-Dec-2010 10:53:35] <davetoo> 'morning
[30-Dec-2010 10:54:40] <rmatte> mornin'
[30-Dec-2010 10:55:09] <davetoo> I realized/found a new way to keep and eye on what's coming up in trunk 
[30-Dec-2010 10:55:26] <davetoo> look at the migration scripts
[30-Dec-2010 10:55:32] <kokey> hehe
[30-Dec-2010 10:56:20] <davetoo> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/browser/trunk/Products/ZenModel/migrate?order=date&desc=1
[30-Dec-2010 10:59:58] <Ai__> Good people thanks for all your help
[30-Dec-2010 11:00:06] <Ai__> I am now waiting
[30-Dec-2010 11:00:16] <Ai__> but I remain optimistic
[30-Dec-2010 11:00:47] <Ai__> I know it may take a few more minutes, however, I must leave to take care of a domestic issue
[30-Dec-2010 11:01:00] <Ai__> All the very best for 2011 and thanks again
[30-Dec-2010 11:01:05] <Ai__> Ai
[30-Dec-2010 11:01:13] <kokey> get some sleep
[30-Dec-2010 11:01:23] <Ai__> that I will certainly do
[30-Dec-2010 11:01:25] <Ai__> 
[30-Dec-2010 11:05:25] <kokey> haha
[30-Dec-2010 11:05:43] <kokey> i just saw the task spec my boss put down for my zenoss project....
[30-Dec-2010 11:05:44] <kokey> A. All servers, firewalls, routers, switches, participant routers and the
[30-Dec-2010 11:05:44] <kokey> kitchen sink to be monitored with general metrics. Eg, UP / Down, Memory, CPU
[30-Dec-2010 11:05:44] <kokey> and Disk usage.
[30-Dec-2010 11:07:28] <rmatte> kokey: that's really not that bad
[30-Dec-2010 11:07:42] <rmatte> that's what we do here, and then some
[30-Dec-2010 11:08:42] <kokey> that's just point A of phase 1
[30-Dec-2010 11:08:55] <kokey> but yeah that's very minimal really
[30-Dec-2010 11:09:06] <brtb> kitchen sink? hah
[30-Dec-2010 11:09:16] <kokey> last job i monitored about 250 different things per device across over 1000 devices
[30-Dec-2010 11:09:30] <kokey> i just find the kitchen sink bit to be amusing
[30-Dec-2010 11:10:16] <davetoo> he used that phrase?
[30-Dec-2010 11:10:41] <kokey> yeah he did, that's a copy and paste
[30-Dec-2010 11:11:51] <davetoo> I've been going to Meetups where some of the really big guys have talked a bit about monitoring, and some of them chose to trim out metrics that never changed.
[30-Dec-2010 11:12:23] <davetoo> I... have had to go minimalist due to zenoss system resources, in the past,
[30-Dec-2010 11:12:30] <kokey> ah
[30-Dec-2010 11:12:47] <kokey> i forgot about the resource issue
[30-Dec-2010 11:12:55] <kokey> fortunately this is a tiny environment
[30-Dec-2010 11:13:03] <kokey> i think it'll only be about 750 devices
[30-Dec-2010 11:13:15] <davetoo> that's not tiny for that many metrics 
[30-Dec-2010 11:13:27] <kokey> well not doing 250 per device
[30-Dec-2010 11:13:34] <kokey> that was the nagios setup i built at my last job
[30-Dec-2010 11:13:35] <davetoo> You will need good disk IO for that
[30-Dec-2010 11:14:19] <kokey> i had a single nagios box monitoring over 500 devices, 250 services each, a couple of parameters per service, so it was around 25000 rrd graphs per site
[30-Dec-2010 11:14:35] <davetoo> I dont' remember if Zenoss 3.0.3 has rrdcache in production yet;
[30-Dec-2010 11:14:49] <kokey> with about 120,000 metrics
[30-Dec-2010 11:15:10] <davetoo> ok, if you had that many RRD files you know what to build 
[30-Dec-2010 11:15:16] <kokey> the biggest bottleneck initially was really that nagios spawns a child process and run a plugin like that
[30-Dec-2010 11:15:28] <kokey> so i used very small C based plugins to do the snmp queries
[30-Dec-2010 11:15:57] <davetoo> What was generating the RRD files? I didn't know that Nagios used them without add-on packages.
[30-Dec-2010 11:16:11] <kokey> and also a small little bit of C to be the command that nagios uses to write perf data to the fifo
[30-Dec-2010 11:16:23] <kokey> then the fifo data was handled by a perl script that would populate the RRD files
[30-Dec-2010 11:18:04] <kokey> disk io wasn't too bad
[30-Dec-2010 11:18:20] <kokey> it was on an HP DL360 G4 server
[30-Dec-2010 11:18:52] <kokey> because it was mostly writes it wasn't a problem usually
[30-Dec-2010 11:19:12] <davetoo> It used to be the case that for that many metrics, I tried to guarantee that I had enough RAM to cache all of the RRD files   I have no idea how well rrdcache works.
[30-Dec-2010 11:19:36] <kokey> at the same time i had a big perl cgi based interface that allowed you to select and display and combine graphs
[30-Dec-2010 11:19:37] <davetoo> so my last couple of big systems had 20G and 32G of RAM
[30-Dec-2010 11:19:48] <kokey> like opening a page for a device would often load up about 30 graphs in one go
[30-Dec-2010 11:19:52] <kokey> and it was quite fast
[30-Dec-2010 11:19:53] <davetoo> *nod*
[30-Dec-2010 11:19:59] <kokey> the graph part wasn't the slowest really
[30-Dec-2010 11:20:07] <kokey> it was parsing the nagios status file each time
[30-Dec-2010 11:20:43] <kokey> i did eventually have to implement caching the data structures creating after parsing when page loads became a bit slow
[30-Dec-2010 11:20:53] <davetoo> I've been talking to a zenoss user at a large site; they're putting the RRD files on an NFS volume and using some home-grown tools like you mentioned to do reporting
[30-Dec-2010 11:20:57] <kokey> i worked fine with 2GB of RAM
[30-Dec-2010 11:21:05] <kokey> actually the whole thing worked ok on 1GB really
[30-Dec-2010 11:21:26] <kokey> until we had the hyderabadi developers add some tomcat service on it that would make jmx requests
[30-Dec-2010 11:21:32] <davetoo> hah
[30-Dec-2010 11:21:32] <kokey> poof gone another gig of RAM
[30-Dec-2010 11:22:08] <kokey> davetoo: now that gives me a nice idea
[30-Dec-2010 11:22:18] <kokey> thing is with zenoss is that multi graph reports and the interface for it is poo
[30-Dec-2010 11:22:30] <kokey> it's nothing like graphite or circonus or any of those
[30-Dec-2010 11:22:33] <davetoo> yes
[30-Dec-2010 11:22:34] <kokey> or even like the thing i wrote
[30-Dec-2010 11:22:46] * davetoo makes a note to go figure out what circonus is
[30-Dec-2010 11:22:53] <kokey> i could maybe use my code to work on the zenoss RRD graphs
[30-Dec-2010 11:23:13] <kokey> circonus... actually look at the reconnoiter demo video
[30-Dec-2010 11:23:15] <kokey> it's the same thing
[30-Dec-2010 11:23:15] <mray> davetoo: it's a monitoring SAAS
[30-Dec-2010 11:23:23] <davetoo> ah
[30-Dec-2010 11:23:26] <kokey> lovely interface for selecting graphs and applying functions on them and saving them for later
[30-Dec-2010 11:23:46] <davetoo> I wish I were more of a developer 
[30-Dec-2010 11:24:18] <kokey> that's maybe what's wrong with my current contract
[30-Dec-2010 11:24:20] <kokey> i probably miss coding
[30-Dec-2010 11:24:30] <kokey> i'm actually going out of my way to avoid coding anything since i know i'm leaving
[30-Dec-2010 11:24:36] <kokey> i don't want to leave them with custom stuff to maintain
[30-Dec-2010 11:24:39] <davetoo> I have some ideas about shoving RRD data into matplotlib for graphing but I don't have much UI experience.
[30-Dec-2010 11:24:57] <kokey> that's why i pushed for zenoss and try to figure out how to do things as standard as possible with the features built in
[30-Dec-2010 11:25:12] <davetoo> kokey: how are you with python?
[30-Dec-2010 11:25:18] <kokey> davetoo: it's strange that many of the monitoring stuff doesn't get graph interfaces right
[30-Dec-2010 11:25:28] <kokey> i'm a bit crap with python at the moment
[30-Dec-2010 11:25:32] <kokey> actually it's funny
[30-Dec-2010 11:25:44] <kokey> i figured this project will at least get my python skills up to scratch
[30-Dec-2010 11:25:46] <davetoo> would you believe: as far as I can tell, Zenoss began life as a configuration management tool 
[30-Dec-2010 11:25:49] <mray> davetoo: I think Simon4 had some external graphing stuff going on
[30-Dec-2010 11:25:49] <kokey> but i scared myself a bit
[30-Dec-2010 11:26:08] <davetoo> mray: you know anything about the early CM genesis of Zenoss?
[30-Dec-2010 11:26:09] <kokey> i thought my first task to do with python was to use the twisted libs that ships with zenoss to do some automated ssh login stuff for me
[30-Dec-2010 11:26:13] <kokey> what a huge bloody mistake
[30-Dec-2010 11:26:19] <mray> davetoo: pretty sure it was always monitoring
[30-Dec-2010 11:26:20] <davetoo> Wasnt one of it's first names "zenconfmon?"
[30-Dec-2010 11:26:23] <davetoo> or "confmon"?
[30-Dec-2010 11:26:27] <mray> "zentinel"
[30-Dec-2010 11:26:29] <kokey> using twisted with multiple connections is no way to start out on python
[30-Dec-2010 11:26:30] <davetoo> maybe he borrowed code from a different project of his
[30-Dec-2010 11:26:38] <kokey> it scared me so much that i'm put off python for a while
[30-Dec-2010 11:26:42] <davetoo> oh
[30-Dec-2010 11:26:52] <davetoo> yeah, twisted confuses me still
[30-Dec-2010 11:27:09] <mray> it was written because Nagios was a pain to configure
[30-Dec-2010 11:27:11] <kokey> it's fine if you launch it once, let it do one thing, and then exit the script completely
[30-Dec-2010 11:27:15] <davetoo> but you shouldn't have to get that far down
[30-Dec-2010 11:27:24] <mray> and didn't scale very far at the time
[30-Dec-2010 11:27:37] <mray> the use of Zope gave the inheritance and object model
[30-Dec-2010 11:27:37] <kokey> i think i managed to break all the nagios scaling records
[30-Dec-2010 11:27:43] <kokey> and it also taught me to dislike nagios
[30-Dec-2010 11:27:50] <kokey> probably why i appreciate zenoss so much now
[30-Dec-2010 11:28:05] <davetoo> anyway, kokey, install ipython as the zenoss user (in the zenoss private python install) and it will make interactive zendmd *soooo* much more useful
[30-Dec-2010 11:28:07] <mray> I think the more they continue to abstract away from Zope, the better
[30-Dec-2010 11:28:14] <davetoo> very good to learn about the code
[30-Dec-2010 11:28:23] <davetoo> mray: *nod*
[30-Dec-2010 11:28:47] <kokey> i'm going to be doing some integration work between zenoss and infoblox
[30-Dec-2010 11:28:57] <davetoo> mray: at the least, the more they move away from Zope 2-isms
[30-Dec-2010 11:28:59] <mray> infoblox?
[30-Dec-2010 11:29:01] <kokey> and want to write one portlet
[30-Dec-2010 11:29:02] <davetoo> kokey: hah
[30-Dec-2010 11:29:10] <kokey> infoblox is a DNS and IP management thing
[30-Dec-2010 11:29:11] <davetoo> kokey: let me know how that goes;
[30-Dec-2010 11:29:31] <mray> kokey: interesting
[30-Dec-2010 11:29:41] <mray> my Chef deployment of Zenoss is going very well
[30-Dec-2010 11:30:01] <davetoo> mray: too bad Chef is Ruby 
[30-Dec-2010 11:30:03] <mray> I've got device classes, locations and groups working
[30-Dec-2010 11:30:40] <mray> davetoo: meh, I've been around the block enough not to be a language bigot.
[30-Dec-2010 11:30:53] <mray> my resume had 14 languages at 1 point, now I just say "lately"
[30-Dec-2010 11:31:05] <davetoo> mray: it's just that I don't know Ruby 
[30-Dec-2010 11:31:34] <mray> davetoo: it's nice, it's come a long way since I started with it 3 years ago
[30-Dec-2010 11:31:48] <mray> I think there's a perfect language somewhere between Python and Ruby
[30-Dec-2010 11:32:00] <davetoo> Zenoss is the reason I put Ruby on hold and learned Python.
[30-Dec-2010 11:32:32] <mray> yeah, but Zenoss make Python look bad because it uses Zope
[30-Dec-2010 11:33:40] <davetoo> that's what I've heard 
[30-Dec-2010 11:34:36] <davetoo> erik did briefly entertain moving to Django 
[30-Dec-2010 11:35:10] <mray> yeah, development is slowly removing the zope stuff piecemeal
[30-Dec-2010 11:35:26] <mray> Avalon is going to be a big change
[30-Dec-2010 11:35:38] <mray> with more java in the mix
[30-Dec-2010 11:37:11] <davetoo> mray: I fired up trunk yesterday.  The UI didn't work, but I managed to get my RabbitMQ config working.
[30-Dec-2010 11:37:41] <kokey> ooh
[30-Dec-2010 11:37:44] <kokey> rabbitmq?
[30-Dec-2010 11:37:51] <kokey> what is that going to be used for?
[30-Dec-2010 11:37:56] <davetoo> yes; they're reworking the Events system
[30-Dec-2010 11:38:15] <kokey> rabbitmq then just used internally?
[30-Dec-2010 11:38:29] <kokey> or it going to be catching messages with it from elsewhere?
[30-Dec-2010 11:38:29] <davetoo> kokey: from what I can tell, the major impetus was for comms between the new Java stuff and the python/zope stuff
[30-Dec-2010 11:38:40] <kokey> ah ok
[30-Dec-2010 11:38:44] <davetoo> but it will also be able to farm out events to other daemons/boxes
[30-Dec-2010 11:38:45] <kokey> what new java stuff?
[30-Dec-2010 11:39:08] <mray> the event subsystem is getting rewritten in java
[30-Dec-2010 11:39:11] <davetoo> most of the new java stuff seems to be for Enterprise; they have some new dependency management stuff
[30-Dec-2010 11:39:20] <kokey> ah ok
[30-Dec-2010 11:39:24] <kokey> shame that it's in java
[30-Dec-2010 11:39:38] <kokey> but then again zope can also be a pain
[30-Dec-2010 11:39:50] <mray> that's been the usual reaction, but supposedly the performance gains are an order of magnitude
[30-Dec-2010 11:39:58] <davetoo> some of that is because they seem to have found that the yfiles library is a good fit for directed-graph stuff they want to do
[30-Dec-2010 11:40:06] <davetoo> ah
[30-Dec-2010 11:40:11] <kokey> yeah my first thought was that there will be performance gains
[30-Dec-2010 11:40:14] <mray> last I heard they were using Neo4J
[30-Dec-2010 11:40:20] <kokey> i'm a bit strange
[30-Dec-2010 11:40:20] <davetoo> oh!
[30-Dec-2010 11:40:22] <mray> for the graph DB
[30-Dec-2010 11:40:27] <davetoo> even better
[30-Dec-2010 11:40:47] <kokey> i like to do stuff in perl, because most of the time it performs as fast as other people's java stuff and for a fraction of the size of deployment or memory usage
[30-Dec-2010 11:40:49] <davetoo> I need to learn Java
[30-Dec-2010 11:41:27] <kokey> i think i have a resistence to languages i can't do on a dev server with vi
[30-Dec-2010 11:41:35] <kokey> where it only works nicely with some IDE on a desktop
[30-Dec-2010 11:41:40] <kokey> i don't like anything on a desktop
[30-Dec-2010 11:41:57] <kokey> i mean you can do java with vi
[30-Dec-2010 11:41:59] <rmatte> grrrr, our analysts here drive me nuts sometimes
[30-Dec-2010 11:42:00] <kokey> or vim
[30-Dec-2010 11:42:04] <kokey> but it's painful
[30-Dec-2010 11:42:06] <rmatte> They use the term "trap" for everything
[30-Dec-2010 11:42:08] <davetoo> Smalltalk? 
[30-Dec-2010 11:42:15] <kokey> rmatte: haha
[30-Dec-2010 11:42:27] <rmatte> I get a call last night "There's a memory trap that came in"... I come in this morning and it's a Zenoss threshold that kicked off
[30-Dec-2010 11:42:28] <kokey> i can't wait until the previous monitoring guy has left
[30-Dec-2010 11:42:31] <kokey> one more month
[30-Dec-2010 11:42:43] <kokey> because his idea of monitoring is to have everything be sent out as traps
[30-Dec-2010 11:42:45] <davetoo> I use Eclipse with Pydev because the class browsers and folding editors help my less-than-seven-item short-term memory
[30-Dec-2010 11:42:50] <kokey> and make custom traps for everything too
[30-Dec-2010 11:42:57] <rmatte> I try to use traps as little as possible
[30-Dec-2010 11:43:03] <kokey> i like to use traps as little as possible
[30-Dec-2010 11:43:04] <rmatte> I use them for stuff like eigrp, bgp alerts
[30-Dec-2010 11:43:08] <kokey> *5*
[30-Dec-2010 11:43:11] <rmatte> and environmental alerts
[30-Dec-2010 11:43:25] <davetoo> problem with traps is, they're UDP
[30-Dec-2010 11:43:36] <rmatte> exactly
[30-Dec-2010 11:43:46] <kokey> davetoo: yeah i might have to do something like that
[30-Dec-2010 11:43:55] <rmatte> which is why I do all my interface monitoring through snmp polling
[30-Dec-2010 11:43:58] <rmatte> much more effective
[30-Dec-2010 11:44:05] <rmatte> plus interface traps change from device to device
[30-Dec-2010 11:44:09] <kokey> actually perhaps python might be a good way for me to get the hang of using eclipse on stuff i want to deploy and test on servers
[30-Dec-2010 11:44:14] <rmatte> pain in the ass to customize it for each type
[30-Dec-2010 11:44:25] <kokey> i've always had that pain on java, write some stuff in eclipse and don't know how to deploy it elsewhere
[30-Dec-2010 11:44:57] <kokey> the guy who is leaving used systemedge on all the systems
[30-Dec-2010 11:45:04] <kokey> it is not bad, and has a MIB i just load
[30-Dec-2010 11:45:15] <kokey> but he's obviously got a big config doing lots of stuff
[30-Dec-2010 11:45:22] <kokey> and it's spitting out traps like mad
[30-Dec-2010 11:45:34] <kokey> they make some sense but there are so many that everyone just ignores it
[30-Dec-2010 11:46:05] <kokey> one of the first transforms i did on zenoss
[30-Dec-2010 11:46:15] <kokey> if it's from the sysedge oid tree, send to history ;-)
[30-Dec-2010 11:53:53] <rmatte> lol
[30-Dec-2010 11:54:59] <davetoo> yeah, speaking of Java, you need Maven (and RabbitMQ >= 1.8) to build/install trunk
[30-Dec-2010 11:55:44] <joko> hmmmm
[30-Dec-2010 12:01:13] <davetoo> kokey: have you used rabbitmq?
[30-Dec-2010 12:03:20] <kokey> nope not really
[30-Dec-2010 12:03:29] <kokey> but been looking into it and things like activemq
[30-Dec-2010 12:03:37] <kokey> i'm fond of the concept
[30-Dec-2010 12:04:17] <kokey> ok, sneak off home early time
[30-Dec-2010 12:04:22] <davetoo> Apparently the AMQP 1.0 spec gets rid of a lot of the stuff that looks interesting (to me) in 0.9.1
[30-Dec-2010 12:04:30] <davetoo> ok have a safe weekend
[30-Dec-2010 15:00:52] <LarsN> Hello All!  Happy Newyear!  (Nearly)
[30-Dec-2010 15:01:24] <LarsN> I don't suppose any of you know of a working on Zenoss 3.0.x AIX zenpack?
[30-Dec-2010 15:01:58] <LarsN> stripping the py-2.4 extension from the zenpack listed on the site doesn't work.  I found another AIX 1.1 for Py-2.6 that I installed but it also fails to show up in the list of loaded zenpacks.
[30-Dec-2010 15:03:00] <davetoo> after you loaded that did you restart zenoss?
[30-Dec-2010 15:04:11] <davetoo> I haven't had any AIX systems to monitor in 3.0.x, though
[30-Dec-2010 15:05:21] <LarsN> davetoo: I did, although I'm not opposed to removing the one that's there, restarting, re-installing, and restarting again.
[30-Dec-2010 15:05:27] <LarsN> let me try that and see if it helps
[30-Dec-2010 15:05:43] <davetoo> that sounds like a good idea
[30-Dec-2010 15:08:01] <LarsN> where does zenoss drop logs relating to zenpack installation?
[30-Dec-2010 15:08:15] <davetoo> darn good question
[30-Dec-2010 15:08:40] <davetoo> and I don't know the answer; are you using the shell/cli app or the UI?
[30-Dec-2010 15:10:03] <LarsN> we installed via the UI
[30-Dec-2010 15:10:15] <LarsN> I suppose I could try installing via the cli.
[30-Dec-2010 15:10:20] <LarsN> that would likely tell me if it errors
[30-Dec-2010 15:10:41] <davetoo> the 'zenpack' command.  I don't know if you can change the verbosity or not.
[30-Dec-2010 15:10:57] <LarsN> if this test fails
[30-Dec-2010 15:10:59] <LarsN> I'll try that.
[30-Dec-2010 15:19:46] <rmatte> LarsN: installing via the UI is crap, always install ZenPacks via CLI
[30-Dec-2010 15:20:02] <rmatte> and there is no log file for ZenPack install info
[30-Dec-2010 15:20:08] <rmatte> it's output while installing the pack
[30-Dec-2010 15:20:33] <davetoo> does zenpack --install take a -vnn setting?
[30-Dec-2010 15:24:54] <LarsN> http://pastie.org/1418071
[30-Dec-2010 15:24:59] <LarsN> does ^ mean anything to anyone?
[30-Dec-2010 15:25:55] <rmatte> davetoo: I don't know if it takes a -v10 setting or not
[30-Dec-2010 15:26:06] <rmatte> I don't think it does
[30-Dec-2010 15:26:33] <rmatte> LarsN: get rid of the =
[30-Dec-2010 15:26:42] <mray> sweet: http://imagebin.org/130286
[30-Dec-2010 15:26:43] <rmatte> also wow
[30-Dec-2010 15:26:53] <rmatte> LarsN: do not do that as root for the love of god lol
[30-Dec-2010 15:26:56] <rmatte> become the zenoss user
[30-Dec-2010 15:27:03] <rmatte> su - zenoss or sudo su - zenoss
[30-Dec-2010 15:27:15] <rmatte> then: zenpack --install ZenPacks.community.AIX-1.1-py2.6.egg
[30-Dec-2010 15:27:55] <rmatte> mray: very nice
[30-Dec-2010 15:28:29] <mray> rmatte: device classes, locations, groups and systems all generated by chef
[30-Dec-2010 15:28:42] <rmatte> yeh, I read the descript  nice
[30-Dec-2010 15:28:49] <mray> the device classes actually have zproperties set and the locations are live in Google maps
[30-Dec-2010 15:28:59] <mray> the Systems map to Chef recipes
[30-Dec-2010 15:29:26] <mray> now I just have to dump a bunch of devices into the right device class, location, groups and systems
[30-Dec-2010 15:29:33] <mray> automatically of course
[30-Dec-2010 15:30:20] <mray> SSH keys are handled properly already, so SSH monitoring "just works" 
[30-Dec-2010 15:30:32] <davetoo> mray: how are you doing this?  zendmd or json?
[30-Dec-2010 15:30:38] <mray> zendmd
[30-Dec-2010 15:30:39] <davetoo> or a zenpack
[30-Dec-2010 15:30:42] <davetoo> aye
[30-Dec-2010 15:30:57] <rmatte> zendmd == uber
[30-Dec-2010 15:31:15] <csabo> tivoli == WIN
[30-Dec-2010 15:31:19] <csabo> amirite?
[30-Dec-2010 15:31:20] <davetoo> yes, but I worry whether it migh be abandoned
[30-Dec-2010 15:31:20] <mray> yeah, I found that zenbatchload doesn't actually set things on device classes or other organizers
[30-Dec-2010 15:31:29] <davetoo> really?
[30-Dec-2010 15:31:54] <davetoo> Just sets them on the devices in that paragraph, eh?
[30-Dec-2010 15:31:54] <mray> yeah, the file format shows that it's applying them to the device class, but it actually applies them to each individual device
[30-Dec-2010 15:31:59] <davetoo> boo
[30-Dec-2010 15:31:59] <mray> yeah
[30-Dec-2010 15:32:08] <mray> zendmd FTW
[30-Dec-2010 15:32:24] <csabo> 
[30-Dec-2010 15:32:26] <csabo> tivoli FTW
[30-Dec-2010 15:32:31] <csabo> can i get a amen?
[30-Dec-2010 15:32:33] <davetoo> csabo: you're in the wrong channel then
[30-Dec-2010 15:32:36] <csabo> lol
[30-Dec-2010 15:32:54] <csabo> there isnt a tivoli channel no one likes it
[30-Dec-2010 15:32:54] <mray> I don't think Tivoli has channels, they have to pay to talk to other Tivoli users 
[30-Dec-2010 15:32:54] <davetoo> I have a zendmd tool that uses json as an input format to set properties
[30-Dec-2010 15:33:04] <davetoo> csabo: this is IRC
[30-Dec-2010 15:33:05] <davetoo> make one
[30-Dec-2010 15:33:08] <davetoo> but not on freenode
[30-Dec-2010 15:33:08] <csabo> no wya
[30-Dec-2010 15:33:11] <csabo> i'd be in there on my own
[30-Dec-2010 15:33:13] <davetoo> we'll K-line you 
[30-Dec-2010 15:33:13] <csabo> lol
[30-Dec-2010 15:33:17] <csabo> i talk to myself enough as itis
[30-Dec-2010 15:33:46] <davetoo> theres' one thing in the default zenoss config that blows up my json-dump tool.
[30-Dec-2010 15:34:00] <davetoo> simplejson can't serialize the cDateTime value for some reason,
[30-Dec-2010 15:34:33] <davetoo> so I have to delete that (and also fix the missing devtypes on /Devices) before I can dump the existing properties to json
[30-Dec-2010 15:35:13] <mray> https://github.com/mattray/cookbooks/blob/zenoss-0.5/zenoss/providers/zendmd.rb
[30-Dec-2010 15:35:24] <davetoo> anyway, I really do hope that zendmd continues to do everything we/I need and is not left to wither
[30-Dec-2010 15:35:30] <mray> zendmd wrapper with methods for device classes, groups, systems and locations
[30-Dec-2010 15:36:00] <LarsN> rmatte: that "sudo -H -u zenoss" does the next command as a fully authenticated zenoss user.  but I'll go ahead and su to zenoss.
[30-Dec-2010 15:36:01] <davetoo> nice; I do need to look at chef sometime soon
[30-Dec-2010 15:36:06] <mray> gonna go grab some coffee, then knock this out of the park
[30-Dec-2010 15:36:24] <rmatte> davetoo: I highly doubt that zendmd will be "left to wither"
[30-Dec-2010 15:36:31] <mray> I figure 10 devices automatically assigned to the right organizers will be pretty slick
[30-Dec-2010 15:36:59] <rmatte> davetoo: plus, zendmd has access to practically any functions that the Zenoss code does
[30-Dec-2010 15:37:00] <davetoo> rmatte: I hear that "they" are thinking about actively neutering ZMI
[30-Dec-2010 15:37:05] <rmatte> so it's not like it'll get outdated
[30-Dec-2010 15:37:15] <rmatte> it's just a python shell with access to the zope dmd ojects
[30-Dec-2010 15:37:23] <davetoo> aye
[30-Dec-2010 15:37:25] * csabo gives rmatte a couple of situations
[30-Dec-2010 15:37:34] <mray> zendmd is how Support fixes things
[30-Dec-2010 15:37:35] <rmatte> neutering ZMI would be stupid, but yes, I had heard that
[30-Dec-2010 15:37:53] <csabo> isnt straterra a drug
[30-Dec-2010 15:37:59] <mray> zmi was restricted a bit more in 3.0
[30-Dec-2010 15:38:13] <rmatte> ZMI is the only thing keeping some 3.0 users sane right now lol
[30-Dec-2010 15:38:17] <davetoo> mray: I couldn't get to the zope top level when I tried, yesterday
[30-Dec-2010 15:39:14] <davetoo> but yes, you can break things with ZMI; my impression is that the zope programming model wasn't strictly followed
[30-Dec-2010 15:39:14] <mray> http://ubuntu1004:8080/zport/dmd/manage
[30-Dec-2010 15:39:30] <davetoo> and there is logic in the page templates or something that should have been done in a lower layer,
[30-Dec-2010 15:39:30] <mray> you can only slap "manage" on the end of zport/dmd/
[30-Dec-2010 15:39:43] <davetoo> you used to be able to do it from the root 
[30-Dec-2010 15:39:48] * mray is off to go get coffee
[30-Dec-2010 15:41:58] <LarsN> New Errors: http://pastie.org/1418101
[30-Dec-2010 15:44:11] <rmatte> you don't need to do bin/zenpack by the way, just do zenpack
[30-Dec-2010 15:44:25] <rmatte> the zenoss user has that bin in it's $PATH
[30-Dec-2010 15:45:04] <rmatte> it's complaining because the ZenPacks.community.PointThreshold pack is a dependency and you don't have it installed
[30-Dec-2010 15:45:13] <rmatte> No local packages or download links found for ZenPacks.community.PointThreshold>=1.1
[30-Dec-2010 15:45:39] <rmatte> install that pack, then it'll install
[30-Dec-2010 15:47:04] <LarsN> ok
[30-Dec-2010 15:48:15] <mray> working upstairs from a coffee shop is awesome
[30-Dec-2010 15:48:19] <rmatte> lol
[30-Dec-2010 15:48:52] <LarsN> mray: only if the coffee shop is worth it's salt.
[30-Dec-2010 15:49:00] <LarsN> mray: privately owned, or chain?
[30-Dec-2010 15:49:16] <csabo> its a 7-11
[30-Dec-2010 15:49:19] <mray> LarsN: private
[30-Dec-2010 15:49:20] <csabo> im calling it
[30-Dec-2010 15:49:21] <rmatte> lol
[30-Dec-2010 15:49:27] <LarsN> mray: awesome.
[30-Dec-2010 15:49:34] <mray> there are 5 coffee shops in walking distance
[30-Dec-2010 15:49:40] <LarsN> mray: I used to live across the street from a coffee roaster.
[30-Dec-2010 15:50:01] <rmatte> I used to drink coffee a lot, but I quit
[30-Dec-2010 15:50:08] <csabo> I cant stand the taste
[30-Dec-2010 15:50:08] <LarsN> fresh coffee smells good, Fresh roasted coffee smells even better.  I can't think of anything else I'd rather wake up to, that I'll admit to on an open forum.  
[30-Dec-2010 15:50:12] <davetoo> I find that smell somewhat unpleasant, actually.  I lived near a small roaster.
[30-Dec-2010 15:50:13] <csabo> tastes like hot water run through a jock strap
[30-Dec-2010 15:50:15] <rmatte> I don't like needing a coffee to feel awake in the morning
[30-Dec-2010 15:50:52] <bigegor> davetoo: are you still searching for an snmp agent simulator?
[30-Dec-2010 15:51:01] <mray> well, I'm not ashamed to admit I need coffee to get through each and every day
[30-Dec-2010 15:51:23] <rmatte> bigegor: I've been looking for one that I can just feed an snmpwalk to and have it simulate a device
[30-Dec-2010 15:51:23] <davetoo> bigegor: I downloaded a trial verson of the one from iReasoning, but havent' tried it yet
[30-Dec-2010 15:51:30] <csabo> i tried going no caffiene
[30-Dec-2010 15:51:33] <csabo> it didnt work 
[30-Dec-2010 15:51:46] <rmatte> well, I still drink redbull the very odd time
[30-Dec-2010 15:51:46] <csabo> i have to have at least a diet soda in the early afternoon or i crash
[30-Dec-2010 15:51:50] <bigegor> http://raddle.sourceforge.net/
[30-Dec-2010 15:52:04] <davetoo> nice; thank you
[30-Dec-2010 15:52:19] <rmatte> yeh, I've seen raddle, but I was hoping for something simpler
[30-Dec-2010 15:52:45] <bigegor> rmatte: it is super simple
[30-Dec-2010 15:52:50] <bigegor> 
[30-Dec-2010 15:52:55] <davetoo> bigegor: did we talk about the Renderserver URL in your Distributed Collector pack?
[30-Dec-2010 15:53:02] <mray> Jane Curry uses it quite a bit
[30-Dec-2010 15:53:14] <rmatte> bigegor: doesn't seem like it from the description lol
[30-Dec-2010 15:54:52] <rmatte> I'll have to install it on my lab box and give it a shot
[30-Dec-2010 15:54:57] <davetoo> bigegor: have you got a couple of minutes?
[30-Dec-2010 15:55:15] <bigegor> davetoo: yes
[30-Dec-2010 15:55:57] <bigegor> rmatte: read this http://raddle.sourceforge.net/docs/SNMPAgent.html
[30-Dec-2010 15:56:02] <davetoo> My $client is concerned that the renderserver URLs point directly to the remote collectors.  He'd rather use the hub on the master.
[30-Dec-2010 15:56:03] <rmatte> yeh I just read it
[30-Dec-2010 15:56:07] <rmatte> hadn't seen that page before
[30-Dec-2010 15:56:11] <davetoo> bigegor: if you read this: http://nettikconsulting.wordpress.com/2010/12/22/multiple-zenoss-collectors-behind-ssl-and-rendering-graphs/
[30-Dec-2010 15:56:13] <rmatte> seems simple enough
[30-Dec-2010 15:56:28] <davetoo> that describes a slightly different use case, but the solution is about the same
[30-Dec-2010 15:57:04] <davetoo> so I was thinking of trying to patch your zenpack with an option to use the master/hub zenrender port
[30-Dec-2010 15:58:42] <rmatte> If I had to deal with this I'd lose it: http://www.erked.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/cable_mess.jpg
[30-Dec-2010 15:58:51] <LarsN> rmatte: well I got the dependancy installed.  I'm still running into trouble with the AIX zenpack:  http://pastie.org/1418130
[30-Dec-2010 15:59:06] <davetoo> rmatte: carpet knife
[30-Dec-2010 15:59:08] <davetoo> and start over
[30-Dec-2010 15:59:34] <rmatte> LarsN...
[30-Dec-2010 15:59:35] <rmatte> 2010-12-30 15:50:55,539 WARNING zen.AddToPack: Unable to find context path /zport/dmd/Mibs/AIX/mibs (line 2601 ?) for IBM-AIX-MIB
[30-Dec-2010 15:59:51] <rmatte> because of the way the pack was made, you probably have to create the AIX Mibs organizer by hand
[30-Dec-2010 15:59:56] <rmatte> so do that, then try again
[30-Dec-2010 16:00:22] <rmatte> they probably added the MIBs directly to the pack instead of the organizer itself
[30-Dec-2010 16:00:35] <rmatte> so it's expecting for the AIX Mibs organizer to already exist
[30-Dec-2010 16:01:19] <rmatte> understand?
[30-Dec-2010 16:01:29] <LarsN> I do, but I'm not sure how to add the MIBs organizer
[30-Dec-2010 16:01:59] <rmatte> very simple...
[30-Dec-2010 16:01:59] <LarsN> so just mkdir /zport/dmd/Mibs/AIX/mibs?
[30-Dec-2010 16:02:04] <rmatte> no no
[30-Dec-2010 16:02:07] <LarsN> ok
[30-Dec-2010 16:02:08] <rmatte> in the Zenoss UI
[30-Dec-2010 16:02:27] <rmatte> go to Advanced -> MIBs
[30-Dec-2010 16:02:52] <rmatte> then click on the gear menu at the top
[30-Dec-2010 16:03:00] <csabo> men in black?
[30-Dec-2010 16:03:02] <rmatte> and select Add New Organizer
[30-Dec-2010 16:03:02] <bigegor> davetoo: you don't want to use direct connection to render server?
[30-Dec-2010 16:03:10] <LarsN> rmatte: roger.
[30-Dec-2010 16:03:13] <rmatte> Type in AIX for the ID
[30-Dec-2010 16:03:16] <rmatte> and click OK
[30-Dec-2010 16:03:16] <davetoo> bigegor: my client does not, right.
[30-Dec-2010 16:03:20] <rmatte> then try installing the pack again
[30-Dec-2010 16:03:30] <LarsN> Danke.
[30-Dec-2010 16:03:34] <davetoo> It's easy to fix manually,
[30-Dec-2010 16:04:01] <rmatte> np
[30-Dec-2010 16:04:31] <davetoo> but they would like to automate as much as possible for disaster recovery
[30-Dec-2010 16:04:55] <LarsN> that did it.
[30-Dec-2010 16:04:57] <LarsN> thanks.
[30-Dec-2010 16:05:14] <csabo> http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/movie/meninblack/men_in_black_1.jpg
[30-Dec-2010 16:08:27] <LarsN> rmatte: so there are two problems with that zenpack.  First, it's missing a dependancy declaration in the docs.  and Second, it fails to build the MIBS folder properly.
[30-Dec-2010 16:08:32] <LarsN> rmatte: does that sound about right?
[30-Dec-2010 16:09:19] <rmatte> LarsN: well, the not creating the organizer thing is a common thing with ZenPacks
[30-Dec-2010 16:09:31] <rmatte> it should be added as a dependency on the ZenPack page so that people are aware of it
[30-Dec-2010 16:09:44] <bigegor> davetoo: i've checked DistributedCollector ZenPack history, until ver. 1.4 inderect connection was used (port 8090). But i think i have changed it because of problem with remote graphs.
[30-Dec-2010 16:09:58] <rmatte> the author of the pack could fix that, but they probably won't
[30-Dec-2010 16:10:12] <davetoo> bigegor: I see.
[30-Dec-2010 16:11:21] <davetoo> standby... I think it's zooming OK for me with 3.0.3
[30-Dec-2010 16:12:15] <bigegor> davetoo: it was not a zooming problem
[30-Dec-2010 16:12:33] <davetoo> ok, different problem.  Do you recall what it was?
[30-Dec-2010 16:13:45] <davetoo> oh,
[30-Dec-2010 16:13:50] <davetoo> I was wrong;
[30-Dec-2010 16:15:37] <bigegor> davetoo: it was problem with cacheRRDValue method, by catching data from remote collector.
[30-Dec-2010 16:16:10] <davetoo> ah
[30-Dec-2010 16:16:45] <davetoo> That makes sense; I have not yet used/learned rrdCache
[30-Dec-2010 17:09:31] <rmatte> lol
[30-Dec-2010 17:09:43] <rmatte> first time I've seen that done on an IRC network
[30-Dec-2010 17:16:05] <davetoo> what?
[30-Dec-2010 17:16:17] <davetoo> I have messages going to /dev/null
[30-Dec-2010 17:23:59] <rmatte> !tomaw:*! Evening all!  Our customary new year celebrations are being held in #freenode-newyears.  Feel free to join us there!
[30-Dec-2010 17:24:03] <rmatte> that's what I was referring to
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[31-Dec-2010 07:14:40] <kokey> hehe
[31-Dec-2010 07:14:43] <kokey> happy coming new years
[31-Dec-2010 07:14:50] <kokey> though i wonder if it's new years in NZ already
[31-Dec-2010 07:14:57] <Simon4> it was, 1 hour 14 ago
[31-Dec-2010 07:15:07] * Simon4 has been on the phone to drunk people for the last hour 
[31-Dec-2010 07:15:11] <kokey> hahaha
[31-Dec-2010 07:15:20] <kokey> my aussie house mate will probably have the same now
[31-Dec-2010 07:15:39] <kokey> then he gets ready for his flight to dublin this afternoon to have nye there
[31-Dec-2010 07:16:04] <kokey> i'm throwing a party at our house
[31-Dec-2010 07:18:12] <kokey> though i still have to spend more time getting used to the serato setup
[31-Dec-2010 07:56:20] <kokey> ok now going to have to do a bit of dancing with other vendors to get quotes for comparison with zenoss enterprise
[31-Dec-2010 07:56:39] <kokey> we need 3 quotes etc.
[31-Dec-2010 07:57:08] <kokey> from my memory zenoss was still way better value feature wise than stuff like hyperic
[31-Dec-2010 07:57:12] <kokey> and cheaper
[31-Dec-2010 07:57:20] <kokey> and certainly cheaper than the HP/IBM stuff
[31-Dec-2010 10:06:36] * Simon4 opens a beer
[31-Dec-2010 10:55:53] <kokey> hehe
[31-Dec-2010 10:55:54] <kokey> nice
[31-Dec-2010 10:56:00] <kokey> the office is very empty at the moment
[31-Dec-2010 10:56:10] <kokey> lots of people still working from home tho
[31-Dec-2010 10:56:32] <kokey> seems like more people confirmed for my house party tonight
[31-Dec-2010 10:56:43] <kokey> and I have other DJs coming
[31-Dec-2010 10:56:44] <Simon4> superstar dj 
[31-Dec-2010 10:57:45] * Simon4 might get his torq xponent out tonight for a play
[31-Dec-2010 10:57:49] <Simon4> decks are back in nz :/
[31-Dec-2010 10:58:04] <kokey> nice one
[31-Dec-2010 10:58:31] <kokey> i've only really been playing on the numark omni kontrol and NS7 out and about
[31-Dec-2010 10:58:47] <kokey> oh and behringer bcd3000 and a little hercules i've taken on travels
[31-Dec-2010 10:59:03] <Simon4> cool
[31-Dec-2010 10:59:11] <kokey> at the house we have two technics SLs, and two CDJ1000 mk3s
[31-Dec-2010 10:59:20] <Simon4> hah awesome
[31-Dec-2010 10:59:44] <kokey> and the serato scratch rane thing
[31-Dec-2010 10:59:54] <Simon4> I haven't let myself buy vinyl over here int he UK
[31-Dec-2010 11:00:04] <kokey> my housemate likes serato, i'm more of a traktor person
[31-Dec-2010 11:00:10] <Simon4> it would end badly, with a large containerful of it ending up being shipped back to NZ
[31-Dec-2010 11:00:17] <kokey> he's away, fortunately the serato software is free so i've been playing with it
[31-Dec-2010 11:00:23] <kokey> hehe, yeah
[31-Dec-2010 11:00:32] <kokey> vinyl is a mission really
[31-Dec-2010 11:00:41] <kokey> i was playing on the SLs after xmas getting the hang of them
[31-Dec-2010 11:00:42] <Simon4> still my fav thing to mix on but
[31-Dec-2010 11:01:00] <kokey> and going through the vinyl at home trying to sort it in useful ways
[31-Dec-2010 11:01:16] <kokey> actually there's two things that annoy me
[31-Dec-2010 11:01:30] <kokey> the main thing really is how much time it takes to dig through vinyl, find stuff, try it out, and move on
[31-Dec-2010 11:01:41] <kokey> with digital you can read through a list and preview tracks
[31-Dec-2010 11:01:45] <Simon4> yeah, you have to know your tunes for sure
[31-Dec-2010 11:01:56] <kokey> yeah with someone else's collection it's a mission
[31-Dec-2010 11:02:14] <kokey> well on digital it's bad too but at least you can preview to make sure it's not utter nonsense
[31-Dec-2010 11:02:22] <kokey> and on digital you can have your music on a usb key
[31-Dec-2010 11:02:39] <kokey> so you can actually have it with you if you need to take over from someone
[31-Dec-2010 11:02:57] <Simon4> ah.. the future 
[31-Dec-2010 11:03:05] <kokey> the other issue really is that i've been getting used to all sorts of fun things i can do with the sync locked
[31-Dec-2010 11:03:12] <kokey> things you can't really do with turntables
[31-Dec-2010 11:03:30] * Simon4 has somewhat fond memories of lugging flight cases of vinyl across fields for outdoor gigs
[31-Dec-2010 11:04:12] <kokey> a friend of mine, a bit of a nutter collector, would take 3500 CDs with him if he's playing some gigs a few times on a weekend festival
[31-Dec-2010 11:04:18] <kokey> 3500 CDs are heavy
[31-Dec-2010 11:04:23] <Simon4> thats quite mental
[31-Dec-2010 11:04:39] <kokey> the guy is quite strange, had 45000 albums at that stage
[31-Dec-2010 11:04:45] <kokey> 13,000 of them were CD
[31-Dec-2010 11:04:49] <kokey> the rest vinyl
[31-Dec-2010 11:05:01] <kokey> not sure if he's still doing it last i checked he was more into trading books
[31-Dec-2010 11:05:09] <kokey> and just collecting MP3s
[31-Dec-2010 11:05:24] <kokey> and he's back in south africa
[31-Dec-2010 11:05:41] <kokey> would come to the UK every year or two over january and would just shop full time for a month for second hand stuff
[31-Dec-2010 11:05:50] <kokey> and ship like 300kg of stuff back afterwards
[31-Dec-2010 11:06:11] <Simon4> youch
[31-Dec-2010 11:06:20] <Simon4> I see full collections fly past on gumtree occasionally
[31-Dec-2010 11:06:22] <kokey> though he would buy CDs, take them out of their cases, and put them into those big CD bags
[31-Dec-2010 11:06:32] <Simon4> so tempting to pick one up and cherry pick stuff out of it
[31-Dec-2010 11:06:33] <kokey> and take those on the plane
[31-Dec-2010 11:06:39] <kokey> and carry them past customs
[31-Dec-2010 11:06:54] <kokey> i like buying my digital music
[31-Dec-2010 11:07:12] <kokey> like if i do get to play regularly i will have one evening of the week listening to new releases and pick some and buy them
[31-Dec-2010 11:07:34] <Simon4> in nz we had a record shop over the road from one of our local bars
[31-Dec-2010 11:07:35] <kokey> and another night i'll DJ to myself for a bit to get the hang of them
[31-Dec-2010 11:07:38] <Simon4> wed night was new tune night
[31-Dec-2010 11:07:49] <kokey> then i know my tracks by the weekend
[31-Dec-2010 11:08:05] <kokey> so i wouldn't sit with a gazillion tracks downloaded from the interwebs that i don't know well
[31-Dec-2010 11:08:15] <Simon4> it's a good plan
[31-Dec-2010 11:08:23] <kokey> except i have one problem now
[31-Dec-2010 11:08:35] <kokey> with traktor it lists the tracks with a little edge like the side of an album cover
[31-Dec-2010 11:08:47] <kokey> so you get to remember them by picture and the names doesn't always stick so well
[31-Dec-2010 11:09:10] <Simon4> heh, I do that with vinyl covers/labels, vs the names
[31-Dec-2010 11:09:17] <kokey> then when they're just a list of names in serato i don't always remember what they are until i've played them for a second
[31-Dec-2010 11:09:49] <kokey> it's too easy to buy vinyl for me if i wanted to since i live right by brick lane
[31-Dec-2010 11:09:56] <kokey> good thing i won't
[31-Dec-2010 11:10:20] <Simon4> I just know how much it hurts to move house with more than about 4 crates of vinyl
[31-Dec-2010 11:11:17] <kokey> just one box is too much weight for me
[31-Dec-2010 11:11:34] <kokey> gosh i even got tired of carrying the bcd3000 around which is lighter than the omni kontrol
[31-Dec-2010 11:11:55] <Simon4> a 16GB usb stick must be way more than a crate of vinyl these days I guess
[31-Dec-2010 11:12:25] <Simon4> yeah, if mp3 it's stupidly more
[31-Dec-2010 11:12:30] <Simon4> ze world has changed
[31-Dec-2010 11:12:40] <kokey> i think my entire collection is still way smaller than 16GB
[31-Dec-2010 11:16:07] <kokey> what area do you stay in?
[31-Dec-2010 11:16:19] <Simon4> I'm living out in ealing broadway these days
[31-Dec-2010 11:16:31] <kokey> goodness a lot of people out that way that i know lately
[31-Dec-2010 11:16:38] <kokey> i never knew any people that way before
[31-Dec-2010 11:16:41] <Simon4> heh
[31-Dec-2010 11:16:50] <Simon4> I was living in bethnal green before, fun place to be
[31-Dec-2010 11:16:55] <kokey> but now as i move back i keep on bumping into people from there
[31-Dec-2010 11:17:05] <kokey> yeah i'm living right on the bethnal green/shoreditch border
[31-Dec-2010 11:17:09] <kokey> cheshire street
[31-Dec-2010 11:17:15] <kokey> above beyond retro
[31-Dec-2010 11:17:21] <Simon4> ah nice
[31-Dec-2010 11:17:41] <kokey> dangerous place to live in
[31-Dec-2010 11:17:48] <kokey> won't be good for my health long term
[31-Dec-2010 11:24:05] <Simon4> yeah, I go out a bunch less living here
[31-Dec-2010 11:24:09] <Simon4> getting old 
[31-Dec-2010 11:26:38] <kokey> i don't even have to leave the building for it to be dangerous a lot of the time
[31-Dec-2010 11:26:47] <kokey> we have fun neighbours
[31-Dec-2010 11:27:15] <Simon4> hah awesome
[31-Dec-2010 11:28:52] * Simon4 is well in need of a decent night out, i must see what's on in Jan
[31-Dec-2010 11:40:12] <kokey> and here i am thinking i should try take it as easy as possible in jan
[31-Dec-2010 11:40:27] <Simon4> 
[31-Dec-2010 11:40:30] <kokey> that said i think it'll just happen naturally as people burned themselves out over this december
[31-Dec-2010 11:40:48] <kokey> mid jan might be a good night to go to clubs as it won't be too busy
[31-Dec-2010 11:42:36] <Simon4> might see what supatronix are up to, they generally put on decent gigs
[31-Dec-2010 11:56:44] <Simon4> gisborne NZ sunrise http://ow.ly/i/6PHc
[31-Dec-2010 16:21:14] <davetoo> http://distractedfocus.blogspot.com/2010/11/zenoss-303-disappointments.html
[31-Dec-2010 17:20:48] <Egyptian[Home]> ping?
[31-Dec-2010 17:24:47] <davetoo> ack
[31-Dec-2010 17:25:52] <Simon4> davetoo: heh, life is always hard when trying to drive a canoe up a 4wd track (reading that blog)
[31-Dec-2010 17:26:03] <Simon4> but the observations are totally correct
[31-Dec-2010 17:28:00] <davetoo> I almost always install from source but I'm working with RPM installs right now so was searching for issues
[31-Dec-2010 17:28:18] <Simon4> we install from rpm via puppet
[31-Dec-2010 17:28:35] <Simon4> the only thing we change though is we add the zenoss user with a custom uid/gid before the rpm install
[31-Dec-2010 17:28:39] <Simon4> which doesn't break it
[31-Dec-2010 17:28:53] <davetoo> no? it's smart about that?
[31-Dec-2010 17:29:10] <Simon4> it seems to happily work with an existing user
[31-Dec-2010 17:29:18] <Simon4> even with a different uid
[31-Dec-2010 17:29:29] <Simon4> this was a relief to me a month or 4 back 
[31-Dec-2010 17:29:31] <davetoo> When you do that, does it then not delete that user when you uninstall the RPM?
[31-Dec-2010 17:29:58] <davetoo> like it does normally
[31-Dec-2010 17:30:27] <davetoo> I don't have an rpm-using system here at home to test with.  But that would make things easier.
[31-Dec-2010 17:30:39] <Simon4> probably, I haven't tried - if someone's manually uninstalling rpm's off our systems they deserve anything they get
[31-Dec-2010 17:30:42] <davetoo> I would like to have the zenoss homedir all set up beforehand.
[31-Dec-2010 17:30:59] <Simon4> so I set up the user, homedir and a bunch of scripts in the homedir, then install the rpm
[31-Dec-2010 17:31:03] <Simon4> works fine
[31-Dec-2010 17:31:14] <davetoo> cool
[31-Dec-2010 17:31:49] <Simon4> I'm still considering stripping their SRPM so it doesn't run the postinst bullshit though
[31-Dec-2010 17:31:59] <davetoo> yeah we need to get the ssh configs out there, and I have some tools I want to install ...
[31-Dec-2010 17:32:12] <davetoo> yeah, I don't like that it greps the hostfile for 'localhost'
[31-Dec-2010 17:32:14] <Simon4> i.e. for collectors you could have a stripped version tht doesn't fire up/config mysql or snmpd or the rest of the world
[31-Dec-2010 17:32:20] <davetoo> exactly
[31-Dec-2010 17:32:37] <davetoo> don't need the remote collector to spend five minutes building the zodb
[31-Dec-2010 17:32:58] <Simon4> or configuring mysql if you are running a big install with remote mysql
[31-Dec-2010 17:33:06] * Simon4 has to get puppet to neuter that stuff afterwards
[31-Dec-2010 17:34:16] <davetoo> $client wants to install *everything* with rpms, including some python packages I want in the zenoss python environment (ipython, mostly)
[31-Dec-2010 17:34:24] <davetoo> They don't like .eggs
[31-Dec-2010 17:34:49] <davetoo> I don't know how to counter/comply
[31-Dec-2010 17:34:52] <Simon4> I've struggled with that argument also... I get puppet to put stuff into zenoss's python lib dir... it's a bit dirty but works
[31-Dec-2010 17:35:13] <Simon4> other way is script up easy_install, but it requires 'net access
[31-Dec-2010 17:35:17] <davetoo> What I'd like is to bust the RPM and add the packages for the stock Zenoss install to do
[31-Dec-2010 17:35:21] <davetoo> right
[31-Dec-2010 17:35:57] <davetoo> yeah I have most of the install shellscripts open in editor windows right now learning how they work,
[31-Dec-2010 17:35:58] <Simon4> I hit this with pyyaml initially
[31-Dec-2010 17:36:23] <Simon4> as we have a script which builds multi-graph reports based on yaml files in svn
[31-Dec-2010 17:36:46] <davetoo> nice
[31-Dec-2010 17:37:08] <davetoo> I created some small scripts but didn't have a nice UI
[31-Dec-2010 17:37:15] <davetoo> for others to select which to graph
[31-Dec-2010 17:38:43] <davetoo> I guess I need to figure out how to bust apart/reconstruct/build  RPMs
[31-Dec-2010 17:39:12] <davetoo> We definitely want a compiled install for speed but I want to hack the install scripts
[31-Dec-2010 17:40:14] <davetoo> I fired up trunk on my home system the other day.  UI didn't work but the daemons seemed to be ok
[31-Dec-2010 17:40:48] <davetoo> oh, I pointed Egor to your blog post a day or two ago
[31-Dec-2010 17:41:40] <Simon4> ah yeah
[31-Dec-2010 17:42:20] <davetoo> I just now realized that a conclusion I came to yesterday was based on faulty process; i.e. I screwed up my renderserver URLs
[31-Dec-2010 17:45:43] <davetoo> I saw something wonderful in the trunk source: the (eventual?) ability to set polling cycle times on a per-device basis
[31-Dec-2010 17:45:51] <davetoo> Not sure how close to complete it is
[31-Dec-2010 17:46:04] <Simon4> oooeeeeooo
[31-Dec-2010 17:46:13] <Simon4> that's quite the code change
[31-Dec-2010 17:46:28] <Simon4> given the way the current snmp collector behaves
[31-Dec-2010 17:46:36] <Simon4> hmm, I guess not too hard
[31-Dec-2010 17:46:46] <Simon4> just more of a scheduler-based fire and forget
[31-Dec-2010 17:47:21] <davetoo> All I saw was something in the migration scripts that added a new zenproperty; I have not tracked that down in the rest of the code
[31-Dec-2010 17:57:32] <Simon4> the tricky one would be the dependencies thing, with some kind of IPC between the daemons
[31-Dec-2010 18:32:46] <SEJeff> Simon4, If everything is on a message bus (which the Avalon event system is supposed to be on), it would be easy
[31-Dec-2010 18:33:19] <SEJeff> One big bus to send messages. Each daemon that needs to send / listen for a certain type of message can subscribe to that group. It is very similar to multicast at the network layer, but on layer 7
[31-Dec-2010 18:37:11] <Simon4> SEJeff: yeah
[31-Dec-2010 18:37:32] <SEJeff> The current system certainly needs some love
[31-Dec-2010 18:37:41] <SEJeff> As does the perfDir stuff, where it is a global
[31-Dec-2010 18:37:54] <SEJeff> So you can't save rrds to different spindles for daemons that poll a lot or very quickly
[31-Dec-2010 18:38:24] <Simon4> yeah, that would be cool
[31-Dec-2010 20:24:24] Matt____ is now known as mattrk
[31-Dec-2010 20:26:34] <mattrk> I have a quick question regarding switching from SNMP monitoring to WMI monitoring for my windows boxes. Is it possible to bring over the historical data for CPU, Memory, etc that i gather using SNMP informant to the new WMI graphs?
[31-Dec-2010 20:27:39] <mattrk> I see that when i move my devices back to their old device organizer the data is still there. I'd love to be able to bring that data over to the new WMI based graphs. Any ideas how?
[31-Dec-2010 20:28:43] <rhettardo> i know nothing about WMI but you may be able to reuse your rrd's for the wmi datasources
[31-Dec-2010 20:28:55] <rhettardo> im not sure if there is any formatting different between the templates
[31-Dec-2010 20:29:37] <mattrk> Ah good idea.
[31-Dec-2010 20:31:18] <mattrk> Is this something i would do via the linux filesystem or some sort of zenoss provided tool? I assume i would just copy the old RRD file from the old SNMP graphs and paste it over the newly created RRD for the WMI graphs. I'll make sure the two are the same. (I'm pretty sure they are)
[31-Dec-2010 20:31:51] <rhettardo> i dont know of atool, everyother time i've had the need to retain historical data i do it via the fs
[31-Dec-2010 20:34:15] <mattrk> Awesome. Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it.
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