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[01-Aug-2011 03:02:48] <mennie> somehow all my devices give an error message on Event Class /Status/Web, but i don't know where I can remove this check

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[01-Aug-2011 07:04:20] <photon001> Hi every1, I have some issues with collecting disks IO stats, any1 can help ?

[01-Aug-2011 08:27:14] <Hackman238> Hello all

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[01-Aug-2011 09:20:36] <photon001> hello

[01-Aug-2011 09:20:52] <photon001> <Hackman238> : could use your help in some issue plz

[01-Aug-2011 09:23:31] <Hackman238> photon001: Hi there. Whats up?

[01-Aug-2011 09:24:07] <photon001> <Hackman238> : Hello, I have some issues with collecting disks IO stats

[01-Aug-2011 09:24:32] <Hackman238> photon001: What platform?

[01-Aug-2011 09:24:53] <photon001> <Hackman238> : Linux

[01-Aug-2011 09:25:07] <photon001> <Hackman238> : actually, I'm using UCD Mib

[01-Aug-2011 09:25:54] <photon001> <Hackman238> : My issue is that I can have multiple disks (logical disks) but always one value for IO

[01-Aug-2011 09:26:47] <Hackman238> photon001: Oh you need io stats per logical structure?

[01-Aug-2011 09:29:12] <photon001> <Hackman238> : per mount point or hard drives or even logical drives (RAID), I don"t care much. It's just that having one value for IOs doesnt hold much meaning for me

[01-Aug-2011 09:30:55] <Hackman238> photon001: Hum. Let me google that one

[01-Aug-2011 09:33:32] <Hackman238> photon001: Honestly...I'm not certain how you would collect io data on individual logical disks

[01-Aug-2011 09:33:56] <photon001> <Hackman238> : Okay

[01-Aug-2011 09:34:07] <photon001> <Hackman238> : so what data does it get ?

[01-Aug-2011 09:34:14] <photon001> <Hackman238> : the sum of IOs ?

[01-Aug-2011 09:35:03] <Hackman238> photon001: the io stats youre getting are the sum of all io

[01-Aug-2011 09:35:35] <photon001> <Hackman238> : Okaay ! That's interesting.  are you sure of it ?

[01-Aug-2011 09:36:17] <Hackman238> photon001: There might be a way to do what you need, but I dont know it. Rocket or Klone might know, should pop on later and ask them.

[01-Aug-2011 09:37:13] <photon001> <Hackman238> : okaay. Well I found out that ucd experimental MIB does that. Specific IO OID for each device

[01-Aug-2011 09:37:30] <Hackman238> photon001: Thats really cool

[01-Aug-2011 09:37:56] <photon001> <Hackman238> : yeah ^^. that experimental is scaring me though

[01-Aug-2011 09:40:15] <photon001> <Hackman238> : Right now, I'm more interested in knowing if that value is the sum or just some random device IO. Any idea ?

[01-Aug-2011 09:42:48] <Hackman238> photon001: Should be sum

[01-Aug-2011 09:44:54] <photon001> <Hackman238> : Okaay. Well, thanks alot. Here's the link for disk IOs (for logging purposes) : http://www.net-snmp.org/docs/mibs/ucdDiskIOMIB.html

[01-Aug-2011 09:48:40] <Hackman238> photon001: Nice. TY

[01-Aug-2011 09:49:06] <photon001> <Hackman238> : np ^^

[01-Aug-2011 09:54:20] <SDuensin> Morning.

[01-Aug-2011 10:12:29] <kschroeder> Good morning.

[01-Aug-2011 10:13:21] <Hackman238> SDuensin / kschroeder Morning!

[01-Aug-2011 10:13:42] <SDuensin> Hey Hackman238

[01-Aug-2011 10:15:13] <kschroeder> I am new to zenoss so be gentle please. I have a question for the group. Is it possible to Edit the Location names once they have been created? I cannot figure it out.

[01-Aug-2011 10:16:08] <Hackman238> kschroeder: Its possible, but I wouldnt. A safe solution is to create a new location and move everything from the old location to the new one

[01-Aug-2011 10:20:50] <kschroeder> thats what I was affraid of. All I need to do is add one character to the names. Oh well I guess that is what you get for inheriting someone elses work. Thanks for the help.

[01-Aug-2011 10:30:48] <JohnnyNOC> ^-- i know his feeling

[01-Aug-2011 10:31:37] <JohnnyNOC> fortunately i'm one step closer to starting my fresh 3.1.0 install

[01-Aug-2011 10:33:11] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: How goes it?

[01-Aug-2011 10:36:40] <Sam-I-Am> morning nerds

[01-Aug-2011 10:39:42] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Whats up?

[01-Aug-2011 10:40:10] <Sam-I-Am> not too much

[01-Aug-2011 10:40:27] <Sam-I-Am> reading up on some docs for juniper ssl vpns

[01-Aug-2011 10:46:27] <mennie> where can i see if Zenoss actually tries to execute my Event Command

[01-Aug-2011 10:46:55] <Sam-I-Am> event command?

[01-Aug-2011 10:47:55] <photon001> maybe you can try as an event command  echo "Event Command executed" >> /tmp/toto

[01-Aug-2011 10:47:58] <mennie> i want to send sms

[01-Aug-2011 10:48:37] <Sam-I-Am> isnt sending sms handled by the alerting rules?

[01-Aug-2011 10:54:47] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Juniper IVE's are too much fun!

[01-Aug-2011 10:55:26] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: yeah, really.

[01-Aug-2011 10:55:48] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: How do you like GINA...what a POS that is

[01-Aug-2011 10:55:53] <Hackman238> LOL

[01-Aug-2011 10:56:52] <Sam-I-Am> works better with a VA- in front of it

[01-Aug-2011 10:57:52] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: LOL. I'm talking about the Juniper SSL VPN MS Windows ligin plugin

[01-Aug-2011 10:57:55] <Hackman238> *login

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[01-Aug-2011 10:59:11] <Sam-I-Am> yeah

[01-Aug-2011 11:04:32] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 going well..  just, meetings

[01-Aug-2011 11:06:29] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Always fun LOL

[01-Aug-2011 11:07:16] <JohnnyNOC> yep

[01-Aug-2011 11:07:37] <JohnnyNOC> about to migrate my zenoss master to a new box today so i can start my 3.1.0 install is what i was referring to earlier

[01-Aug-2011 11:07:39] <JohnnyNOC> so i'm happy

[01-Aug-2011 11:07:50] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Nice

[01-Aug-2011 11:07:50] <Sam-I-Am> oooh

[01-Aug-2011 11:07:59] * Sam-I-Am hasnt done zenoss in a while

[01-Aug-2011 11:08:07] <Sam-I-Am> need to get my home lab going at some point

[01-Aug-2011 11:08:15] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: WHAT? Betrayal!

[01-Aug-2011 11:08:15] <JohnnyNOC> Meth lab?

[01-Aug-2011 11:08:21] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: LOL

[01-Aug-2011 11:08:21] <JohnnyNOC> jk

[01-Aug-2011 11:08:21] <Sam-I-Am> yes, meth lab

[01-Aug-2011 11:08:24] <JohnnyNOC> lol

[01-Aug-2011 11:08:38] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: need to keep my knowledge mostly intact

[01-Aug-2011 11:08:42] <JohnnyNOC> my coffee is kickin in full strength

[01-Aug-2011 11:08:58] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Yep

[01-Aug-2011 11:09:03] <Sam-I-Am> my mad openldap/sso skills fell off quickly when i changed to a job which didnt use it

[01-Aug-2011 11:09:15] <Sam-I-Am> so i suspect zenoss will take the same route unless i can put some cycles aside

[01-Aug-2011 11:09:24] <Sam-I-Am> or.. the new job decides to implement it somewhere

[01-Aug-2011 11:09:37] <Sam-I-Am> the last client seriously lacked any sort of network monitoring stuff

[01-Aug-2011 11:09:48] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: I have a pack to monitor juniper IVE's

[01-Aug-2011 11:09:51] <Sam-I-Am> dont notice stuff is broked until customers complain... ugh

[01-Aug-2011 11:10:04] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Types of files, sessions, confs, etc

[01-Aug-2011 11:10:11] <Sam-I-Am> cool

[01-Aug-2011 11:10:13] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: *face palm*

[01-Aug-2011 11:10:14] <JohnnyNOC> Sam-I-Am you got a new gig?

[01-Aug-2011 11:10:21] <Sam-I-Am> JohnnyNOC: yeah, about a month ago

[01-Aug-2011 11:10:30] <Sam-I-Am> last place had some uh... economic issues

[01-Aug-2011 11:10:51] <JohnnyNOC> congrats

[01-Aug-2011 11:10:54] <JohnnyNOC> hope it's going well

[01-Aug-2011 11:10:59] <Sam-I-Am> saw the writing on the wall back in may or so, axe fell in early june

[01-Aug-2011 11:11:36] <JohnnyNOC> so no more Zenoss at work for you is what you're saying?

[01-Aug-2011 11:11:38] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, trying to get on track with the new arrangement...lots of travel for different clients

[01-Aug-2011 11:11:47] <Sam-I-Am> yep, no zenoss

[01-Aug-2011 11:11:47] <JohnnyNOC> say hi if you're in Chicago

[01-Aug-2011 11:12:02] <Sam-I-Am> although i'm trying to get myself into position to deploy it for people

[01-Aug-2011 11:12:28] <JohnnyNOC> for monies

[01-Aug-2011 11:12:29] <JohnnyNOC> ?

[01-Aug-2011 11:12:35] <Sam-I-Am> yeah

[01-Aug-2011 11:12:41] <Sam-I-Am> i'm a consultant now, so i more or less do whatever

[01-Aug-2011 11:13:09] <Sam-I-Am> i'd love to deploy zenoss for people

[01-Aug-2011 11:13:17] <Sam-I-Am> its fresh in my head and i know where to find support

[01-Aug-2011 11:13:20] <JohnnyNOC> maybe there's an opportunity to do something like that woring with the ZCA

[01-Aug-2011 11:13:25] <JohnnyNOC> working

[01-Aug-2011 11:26:16] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: As JohnnyNOC suggests, we're going to try to set something like that up

[01-Aug-2011 11:26:41] <Sam-I-Am> o rly?

[01-Aug-2011 11:26:52] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: rlyrly

[01-Aug-2011 11:36:39] <Sam-I-Am> cool

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[01-Aug-2011 13:55:30] <Hackman238> rocket: How goes it?

[01-Aug-2011 13:55:43] <Sam-I-Am> moo.

[01-Aug-2011 13:58:08] <rmatte> hello all

[01-Aug-2011 13:58:58] <rmatte> is it a holiday in the U.S today too?

[01-Aug-2011 13:59:06] <rmatte> pretty quiet in here

[01-Aug-2011 13:59:17] <Hackman238> rmatte: Hey, how goes it?

[01-Aug-2011 13:59:26] <rmatte> good, holiday today, muahaha

[01-Aug-2011 13:59:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: There is?

[01-Aug-2011 14:00:03] <rmatte> for me there is

[01-Aug-2011 14:00:16] <rocket> Hackman238: it goes ..

[01-Aug-2011 14:00:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: Oh right Canada

[01-Aug-2011 14:00:29] <rmatte> lol

[01-Aug-2011 14:00:32] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL

[01-Aug-2011 14:00:48] <Hackman238> rocket: Good to hear.

[01-Aug-2011 14:01:04] <rmatte> It's not an official statutory holiday but our company gives us the day off anyways

[01-Aug-2011 14:01:50] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: off drinking someplace?

[01-Aug-2011 14:02:01] <rmatte> nah, that was last night lol

[01-Aug-2011 14:02:04] <rmatte> just home relaxing

[01-Aug-2011 14:02:28] <rmatte> trying to figure out how I'm going to write a Zenoss daemon to do what I need it to

[01-Aug-2011 14:04:19] <rmatte> oh right, I need to package that IPSLA pack and send it to Hackman

[01-Aug-2011 14:04:56] <Hackman238> rmatte: Very cool.

[01-Aug-2011 14:05:03] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep, send when you ahve a chance

[01-Aug-2011 14:05:16] <Hackman238> rmatte: I'll roll it in to the v3 and v4 pkgs

[01-Aug-2011 14:05:25] <Hackman238> rmatte: Also ok/cancel button fixes

[01-Aug-2011 14:05:32] <rmatte> cpp;

[01-Aug-2011 14:05:34] <rmatte> cool*

[01-Aug-2011 14:05:50] <rmatte> there were lots of problem with the 2.5 datapoint skin

[01-Aug-2011 14:05:58] <rmatte> it wouldn't even display at first, came up with a traceback

[01-Aug-2011 14:06:00] <rmatte> so I fixed that

[01-Aug-2011 14:06:03] <rmatte> then added alias support

[01-Aug-2011 14:06:26] <rmatte> also added a datapoint to the Jitter template to allow for the packet loss graph/report

[01-Aug-2011 14:06:29] <rmatte> and added the 4 reports

[01-Aug-2011 14:07:39] <rmatte> I actually like how the 3.0 interface works better in that regard

[01-Aug-2011 14:07:48] <rmatte> adding aliases and datapoints is standardized

[01-Aug-2011 14:10:04] <rmatte> I'll increase the version of the pack to 3.1

[01-Aug-2011 14:10:15] <rmatte> since the last few versions have all been 3.0 and it's getting hard to keep track of them

[01-Aug-2011 14:14:03] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep

[01-Aug-2011 14:17:05] <rmatte> one thing that the pack doesn't work with is RTR (the old IPSLA)

[01-Aug-2011 14:17:12] <rmatte> then again, I've looked at RTR and what a mess

[01-Aug-2011 14:17:22] <rmatte> the SNMP implementation for it is practically non-existant

[01-Aug-2011 14:17:37] <rmatte> RTR aka SAA

[01-Aug-2011 14:18:14] <rmatte> I'm probably going to develop some basic templates for it if I can

[01-Aug-2011 14:18:32] <rmatte> I sent the pack to you

[01-Aug-2011 14:18:33] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah, good luck

[01-Aug-2011 14:19:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: TY

[01-Aug-2011 14:20:41] <rmatte> np

[01-Aug-2011 14:21:56] <rmatte> the reports are actually really nice for visualizing the data because you can click on the device name and it'll take you right to the ipsla list for that device, or you can click on the ipsla name and it'll take you to the graphs for it

[01-Aug-2011 14:22:31] <Hackman238> rmatte: Cool

[01-Aug-2011 14:22:36] <Hackman238> rmatte: Can you +o me?

[01-Aug-2011 14:23:15] <Hackman238> rmatte: thnkx

[01-Aug-2011 14:27:00] <rmatte> np

[01-Aug-2011 14:49:31] <dhopp> I know Zenoss was waiting for CentOS 6 to be released before putting any effort into making RHEL/CentOS 6 rpms…do we think the next release of core will have rpms?

[01-Aug-2011 14:49:59] <rmatte> that would be a question for a developer's meeting on a thursday

[01-Aug-2011 14:50:03] <rmatte> no idea

[01-Aug-2011 14:50:38] <rmatte> developer's session rather

[01-Aug-2011 14:50:50] <dhopp> rmatte:  I'm just trying to decide how daring I want to be…I have the stack installer running on RHEL6 now and it works fine, but I'm wondering if I'm better off using RHEL5.5 and the rpms

[01-Aug-2011 14:51:13] <JohnnyNOC> anyone ever experience a windows 2008 machine complaining about not having win32_perfrawdata_perfdisk_physicaldisk?

[01-Aug-2011 14:51:35] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: windows xp box?

[01-Aug-2011 14:53:04] <rmatte> I know windows xp does some funky things like that which is why I ask...

[01-Aug-2011 14:53:11] <rmatte> but chances are you need to rebuild your WMI counters

[01-Aug-2011 14:53:13] <JohnnyNOC> server 2008 r2 sp2

[01-Aug-2011 14:57:16] <JohnnyNOC> it's complaining about missing this class but i can't for the life of me find any docs on how it needs to be fixed

[01-Aug-2011 14:57:32] <JohnnyNOC> and i've got this other machine which is part of the cluster which is setup (as far as i can tell) identically and it's not having this problem

[01-Aug-2011 14:57:33] <JohnnyNOC> :[

[01-Aug-2011 15:35:53] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC:

[01-Aug-2011 15:35:54] <rmatte> For Windows Server 2003

[01-Aug-2011 15:35:54] <rmatte> Use the following command to detect and repair a corrupted WMI Repository:

[01-Aug-2011 15:35:54] <rmatte>     rundll32 wbemupgd, RepairWMISetup

[01-Aug-2011 15:36:01] <rmatte> That will probably work for 2008

[01-Aug-2011 15:36:39] <rmatte> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winservergen/thread/8ed26d46-9994-4052-a307-5b071805aea8/

[01-Aug-2011 15:36:46] <rmatte> follow the procedure on that thread

[01-Aug-2011 15:38:51] <JohnnyNOC> thanks rmatte i'll look into it

[01-Aug-2011 16:08:27] <Hackman238> You know what they say...never drop your zope in the shower.

[01-Aug-2011 16:09:00] <SDuensin> Zope on a Rope fixes that.

[01-Aug-2011 16:09:33] <SDuensin> So this is completely not a Zenoss issue, but is anyone here using Cygwin & Net-SNMP?

[01-Aug-2011 16:10:41] <Hackman238> SDuensin: Aye it would. Never, sorry.

[01-Aug-2011 16:11:31] <SDuensin> It is angering me greatly.

[01-Aug-2011 16:20:58] <JohnnyNOC> anyone seen log messages like "there are 2 pids by the name XYZ" in zenprocess.log ?

[01-Aug-2011 16:21:17] <JohnnyNOC> I see jmp242 posted about this a while ago but I don't believe i saw a clear answer as to why or how it was fixed

[01-Aug-2011 16:21:42] <JohnnyNOC> i'm not sure if this is the problem, but it doesn't look like zenprocess is running as often as it should.  i stopped a process it's monitoring and won't alert until i manually run zenprocess

[01-Aug-2011 16:23:44] <AndrewC_> Hey anyone know how to make the "Commands" button work? When I click on any of the commands in that drop-down button I get no response from Zenoss.

[01-Aug-2011 16:25:05] <dhopp> AndrewC_:  are you using chrome?

[01-Aug-2011 16:25:13] <AndrewC_> haha

[01-Aug-2011 16:25:15] <AndrewC_> maaaaybe

[01-Aug-2011 16:25:22] <dhopp> AndrewC_:  try a different browser

[01-Aug-2011 16:25:34] <AndrewC_> Well who broke the Chrome

[01-Aug-2011 16:25:58] <dhopp> it's a bug in 3.1 (at least that's when I noticed it).  I think I opened up a ticket

[01-Aug-2011 16:26:57] <AndrewC_> yeah IE works fine.

[01-Aug-2011 16:26:59] <AndrewC_> Thanks for the tip

[01-Aug-2011 16:30:41] <Hackman238> SDuensin: Whats it doing?

[01-Aug-2011 16:31:20] <SDuensin> Hackman238, I built Net-SNMP with "--prefix=/opt/net-snmp" and snmpd.exe can't find it's libraries now.  I set PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH.  No dice.

[01-Aug-2011 16:31:31] <SDuensin> Hackman238, trying to rebuild statically now.

[01-Aug-2011 16:31:45] <Hackman238> SDuensin: Good idea

[01-Aug-2011 16:32:09] <Hackman238> SDuensin: I ran in to that type of nonsense trying to get Octave to run under cygwin

[01-Aug-2011 16:32:32] <SDuensin> (The idea being that I can simply "rm -rf /opt/net-smtp" if I want.)

[01-Aug-2011 16:33:03] <Hackman238> SDuensin: yeah

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[02-Aug-2011 04:07:44] <mennie> i get an error in the zenactions log when i try to run my event command

[02-Aug-2011 04:07:45] <mennie> http://pastebin.com/Jus4YHVA

[02-Aug-2011 04:24:59] <daveloper> hia

[02-Aug-2011 04:26:11] <daveloper> I can't select a datasource type: zenoss returns this error: The server reported the following error:AttributeError DeviceThe system has encountered an error. Please reload the page.

[02-Aug-2011 04:26:35] <daveloper> and the output of print hasattr(dmd.Devices.rrdTemplates, 'processMetrics') is false

[02-Aug-2011 05:48:13] <mennie> when i look at my event, at location it says /customer/office, when i use ${dev/location} in my command i get <Location at office>

[02-Aug-2011 05:48:32] <mennie> how can i get /customer/office

[02-Aug-2011 06:07:49] <mennie> huu

[02-Aug-2011 06:17:06] <daveloper> solved thanks

[02-Aug-2011 07:18:35] <rubella> hello all

[02-Aug-2011 07:19:38] <mennie> hi

[02-Aug-2011 07:19:38] <rubella> I have a question...

[02-Aug-2011 07:21:49] <mennie> me too

[02-Aug-2011 07:29:04] <rubella>

[02-Aug-2011 07:29:19] <rubella> yes, but mine is an easy one, i think... 

[02-Aug-2011 07:29:30] <rubella> how's about yours?

[02-Aug-2011 07:31:27] <rubella> ok, good, here we go

[02-Aug-2011 07:31:49] <rubella> I've installed the full CISCO mib....

[02-Aug-2011 07:32:09] <rubella> everything went fine, I used the zenpack (nova.cisco.something else)

[02-Aug-2011 07:32:29] <rubella> I deleted the zenpack afterwards, for performance reasons...

[02-Aug-2011 07:33:01] <rubella> but now, when I receive a trap, I see a translated message (so good thing) but the explanation is a bit confusing....

[02-Aug-2011 07:33:11] <rubella> this is the message: "snmp trap snmpTraps.4"

[02-Aug-2011 07:33:37] <rubella> it should be something like Interface GigabitEthernet8/41, changed state to up

[02-Aug-2011 07:40:09] <rubella> how do i change this?

[02-Aug-2011 07:40:36] <mennie> i dunno

[02-Aug-2011 08:18:03] <rubella> hi rmatte i have a question - you probably knows the answer... 

[02-Aug-2011 08:18:31] <rubella> do you have some seconds to listen to my song? 

[02-Aug-2011 08:30:23] <rubella> anybody here?

[02-Aug-2011 08:31:18] <tsener> from time to time

[02-Aug-2011 08:32:18] <rubella> think so... 

[02-Aug-2011 09:17:31] <mennie> what the hell are the variabled for event commands, like ${dev/id}

[02-Aug-2011 09:19:17] <klone> docs/DOC-9503

[02-Aug-2011 09:22:51] <mennie> i get an error from ${dev/component}

[02-Aug-2011 09:22:53] <mennie> KeyError: 'component'

[02-Aug-2011 09:25:04] <klone> are you trying to get ${evt/component} ? 'component' is not a dev object attribute.

[02-Aug-2011 09:25:13] <JohnnyNOC> if i want to stop zenoss from sending email alerts without disabling every individual alerting rule, is it enough to take down the zenactions daemon?

[02-Aug-2011 09:25:29] <mennie> ok

[02-Aug-2011 09:29:49] <JohnnyNOC> klone?

[02-Aug-2011 09:29:54] <JohnnyNOC> you must know

[02-Aug-2011 09:32:08] <klone> JohnnyNOC, that would do it

[02-Aug-2011 09:33:25] <JohnnyNOC> klone thanks for the confirmation

[02-Aug-2011 09:33:27] <JohnnyNOC> ^5

[02-Aug-2011 09:36:29] <Hackman238> klone: Can v4.0.0 upgrade directly to v4.0.1?

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[02-Aug-2011 09:43:36] <dhopp> Hackman238:  is that a joke?

[02-Aug-2011 09:44:21] <Hackman238> dhopp: No since v4.0.1 fixed migration problems

[02-Aug-2011 09:48:32] <SDuensin> Greetings.

[02-Aug-2011 09:49:10] <rubella> hello SDuensin

[02-Aug-2011 09:49:27] <rubella> is it possible to modify the 'summary' field of an SNMP trap?

[02-Aug-2011 09:49:38] * SDuensin has no idea.  :-/

[02-Aug-2011 09:49:39] <rubella> in the event tab in zenoss core 3.1?

[02-Aug-2011 09:49:51] * rubella too

[02-Aug-2011 09:52:05] <rmatte> SDuensin: yes, it is, you need to use event transforms

[02-Aug-2011 09:52:56] <rubella> rmatte: i asked the question... 

[02-Aug-2011 09:53:03] <rubella> but thanks for the answer

[02-Aug-2011 09:53:09] <rmatte> oh sorry

[02-Aug-2011 09:53:13] * SDuensin is just a confused witness

[02-Aug-2011 09:53:16] <rmatte> misread

[02-Aug-2011 09:53:23] <rubella> no sorry, i'm glas to hear somebody's awake 

[02-Aug-2011 09:53:36] <rmatte> lol

[02-Aug-2011 09:53:48] <rubella> i already asked the question, but nobody was available... 

[02-Aug-2011 09:54:04] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[02-Aug-2011 09:54:04] <rubella> no, i'm using the nove cisco zenpack with all cisco mibs...

[02-Aug-2011 09:54:05] <rmatte> docs/DOC-2554

[02-Aug-2011 09:54:09] <rmatte> there are some example transforms

[02-Aug-2011 09:54:17] <rubella> but now, when I receive a trap, i see following message

[02-Aug-2011 09:54:24] <rmatte> yeh, I made that ZenPack

[02-Aug-2011 09:54:34] <rubella> i know 

[02-Aug-2011 09:54:41] <rmatte> yeh, you'll see snmp trap blahBlahBlah

[02-Aug-2011 09:54:42] <rubella> thanks for that!

[02-Aug-2011 09:54:46] <rubella> "snmp trap snmpTraps.4"

[02-Aug-2011 09:54:56] <rubella> but in fact, it's an interface up/down....

[02-Aug-2011 09:54:59] <rmatte> hmmm that's weird, it should be more translated that than

[02-Aug-2011 09:55:04] <rmatte> than that*

[02-Aug-2011 09:55:11] <rubella> is it possible to display that information?

[02-Aug-2011 09:55:14] <rmatte> what kind of cisco device is it?

[02-Aug-2011 09:55:22] <rubella> ohhh, so something's wrong with my setup...  :-)

[02-Aug-2011 09:55:26] <rubella> 6509

[02-Aug-2011 09:55:30] <rubella> catalyst

[02-Aug-2011 09:55:43] <rubella> so, it's very common equipment

[02-Aug-2011 09:55:50] <rmatte> if it's an interface up/down you should be getting it as snmpLinkUp or something along those lines

[02-Aug-2011 09:56:14] <rmatte> did you restart Zenoss after installing the pack?

[02-Aug-2011 09:56:37] <rubella> when i request more information, i can find the informationbetween the lines... but for our servicedesk, it's more usefull is they see the information directly

[02-Aug-2011 09:56:48] <rubella> yes, did a reboot of the server

[02-Aug-2011 09:57:10] <rubella> do i try another reboot?

[02-Aug-2011 09:57:38] <rmatte> no

[02-Aug-2011 09:57:41] <rubella> has it something to do with the event class it belongs to?

[02-Aug-2011 09:57:57] <rmatte> they belong to /Unknown be default when they aren't mapped

[02-Aug-2011 09:58:04] <rmatte> that's just how you classify the events and map them

[02-Aug-2011 09:58:05] <rubella> at this moment, the traps are /unknown

[02-Aug-2011 09:58:10] <rubella> idd

[02-Aug-2011 09:58:24] <rmatte> either way, you can still map it as is

[02-Aug-2011 09:58:41] <rmatte> create a mapping and use an event transform to make it human readable

[02-Aug-2011 09:59:01] <rubella> yes, but I'm afraid this will be a very time consuming process.... 

[02-Aug-2011 09:59:21] <rmatte> obviously, I can't tell you how many days I've put in to creating event mappings

[02-Aug-2011 09:59:28] <rubella> and it should be like that out of the box... so I try to find out what's going wrong on my environment...

[02-Aug-2011 09:59:38] <rubella> :/

[02-Aug-2011 09:59:49] <rmatte> everyone seems to think that monitoring tools should be perfect out of the box

[02-Aug-2011 09:59:51] <rmatte> none of them are

[02-Aug-2011 09:59:57] <rubella> i know 

[02-Aug-2011 09:59:57] <rmatte> there's always work to be done to customize

[02-Aug-2011 10:00:32] <rubella> yes, but the translation issue, has it something to do with the event class thing?

[02-Aug-2011 10:00:51] <rmatte> the best people to manage monitoring systems are people with network/server administration knowledge who also have development (coding) knowledge because that's what's needed

[02-Aug-2011 10:01:09] <rmatte> the translation issue is a minor detail...

[02-Aug-2011 10:01:19] <rmatte> 6509s are ancient in terms of Cisco gear

[02-Aug-2011 10:01:29] <rubella> ancient... 

[02-Aug-2011 10:01:35] <JohnnyNOC> #firstworldproblem

[02-Aug-2011 10:01:44] <rmatte> it could be that the Mibs for that trap didn't make it in to Cisco's collection of Mibs

[02-Aug-2011 10:01:53] <rmatte> it could be some other Mib out there somewhere

[02-Aug-2011 10:02:15] <rubella> do you think? it's IOS, a recent version

[02-Aug-2011 10:02:22] <rmatte> have you checked to see if 6509s can do link up/down events as syslogs instead of traps?

[02-Aug-2011 10:02:29] <rubella> devices are, i think approx 2 years old...

[02-Aug-2011 10:02:36] <rubella> idd, syslog is working fine

[02-Aug-2011 10:02:43] <rmatte> 6509s can run IOS but they originally shipped with CatOS

[02-Aug-2011 10:02:49] <rmatte> the hardware is old, the software is new

[02-Aug-2011 10:02:49] <rubella> let me show you the difference

[02-Aug-2011 10:03:12] <rubella> yes, but they are equipped with sup720, so that's recent stuff 

[02-Aug-2011 10:03:20] <rmatte> If you're able to get syslogs for when interfaces go up or down, why bother with the traps at all?

[02-Aug-2011 10:03:43] <rubella> syslog: Interface GigabitEthernet8/41, changed state to up

[02-Aug-2011 10:03:53] <rmatte> all the 6509s that I manage have either already been replaced by Cisco Nexus gear (NX-OS) or are in the process of being replaced.

[02-Aug-2011 10:03:55] <rmatte> lol

[02-Aug-2011 10:04:03] <rubella> trap: snmp trap snmpTraps.4

[02-Aug-2011 10:04:15] <rmatte> ok, you don't need both though

[02-Aug-2011 10:04:36] <rmatte> you should be able to selectively disable traps at the OS level

[02-Aug-2011 10:04:46] <rmatte> (certain traps)

[02-Aug-2011 10:04:59] <rmatte> if not, you can just create a mapping for snmpTraps.4 in Zenoss and set it to drop those events

[02-Aug-2011 10:05:00] <rubella> yes, for me, syslog should be enough, but from a servicedesk point of view, when they see 2 different messages, that would be a reason to call me in the middle of the night.... 

[02-Aug-2011 10:05:20] <rmatte> it's 2 different messages saying the exact same thing

[02-Aug-2011 10:05:44] <rubella> indeed, you know that, i know that... but servicedesk.... during the night.... the prefer to call....  

[02-Aug-2011 10:06:07] <rmatte> I don't get what the correlation is between the number of events and service desk calling you

[02-Aug-2011 10:06:33] <rmatte> you don't want redundant events, it causes confusion

[02-Aug-2011 10:06:41] <rubella> well, they only look at the first page, the event page.. they do not double click on an event to analyze the event...

[02-Aug-2011 10:06:55] <rmatte> then what's wrong with the syslog?

[02-Aug-2011 10:07:04] <rmatte> it already comes with everything they need right in the summary

[02-Aug-2011 10:07:08] <rubella> so, there's a big risk they will call because there's something 'unknown' on the screen... 

[02-Aug-2011 10:07:09] <rmatte> so you can just tune the trap out

[02-Aug-2011 10:07:35] <rmatte> ok, it doesn't matter whether a trap is properly translated by Mibs or not, they ALWAYS come in as /Unknown when they are first seen

[02-Aug-2011 10:07:41] <rmatte> they then need to be mapped to a class by hand

[02-Aug-2011 10:07:50] <rmatte> and optionally an event transform can be applied against them

[02-Aug-2011 10:07:55] <rubella> ok, so it's not possible to have a 'good' translation for the snmp trap?

[02-Aug-2011 10:08:20] <rmatte> eugh, ok let me explain it this way...

[02-Aug-2011 10:08:36] <rmatte> When an event comes in, Zenoss has a database of event mappings that it checks the event against.

[02-Aug-2011 10:08:52] <rmatte> If no event mapping exists for it, it creates the event as /Unknown for the class.

[02-Aug-2011 10:09:02] <rmatte> You can then map the event to any event class that you like

[02-Aug-2011 10:09:22] <rmatte> once you have a mapping for the event, you can apply an event transform which is a python script that is run against the event each time it is seen

[02-Aug-2011 10:09:30] <rmatte> using that event transform you can do absolutely anything to the event

[02-Aug-2011 10:09:41] <rmatte> including modifying the summary to be more human readable

[02-Aug-2011 10:09:56] <rubella> ok, i understand this

[02-Aug-2011 10:09:57] <rmatte> you just have to put in the time/effort to get it setup the way you want

[02-Aug-2011 10:11:00] <rubella> i thought it would be 'human readable' out of the box.... so, for all possible events, every first time we see them, we have to create a script, we have to map them, we have to... damn, i never get this sold to my chief... 

[02-Aug-2011 10:11:22] <rubella> an environment with +1000 devices... they become crazy 

[02-Aug-2011 10:11:42] <AndrewC__> Hey rmatte, how do you turn off those green lines on the Locations map?

[02-Aug-2011 10:12:00] <rmatte> the best you'll ever get out of an snmp trap without creating a transform is something like: snmp trap snmpOspfReset

[02-Aug-2011 10:12:01] <rmatte> or whatever

[02-Aug-2011 10:12:05] <rmatte> (just an example)

[02-Aug-2011 10:12:24] <rmatte> If you want it to say "OSPF Reset Detected!" then you'd have to use a transform

[02-Aug-2011 10:12:40] <rmatte> syslogs come in fully readable because the actual text is sent directly from the device

[02-Aug-2011 10:13:01] <rmatte> hence why syslogs are better for the lazy person who doesn't want to create hundreds of event mappings to make things easy to read

[02-Aug-2011 10:13:07] <rubella> yes, the default snmp trap snmpTraps.4 is even worse then snmpOspfReset

[02-Aug-2011 10:13:16] <rmatte> AndrewC__: one second, need to check where the option is in the new UI

[02-Aug-2011 10:13:30] <AndrewC__> rmatte: No problem, thanks for looking

[02-Aug-2011 10:14:17] <rmatte> AndrewC__: Infrastructure -> Networks -> zDrawMapLinks

[02-Aug-2011 10:15:07] <rubella> rmatte: think you're right, we are all lazy persons....

[02-Aug-2011 10:15:11] <rmatte> rubella: what I'd suggest is that you double click on that event, find the OID property so that you know what SNMP OID it's coming in as

[02-Aug-2011 10:15:19] <rmatte> then check to see what MIB that OID is part of (google around)

[02-Aug-2011 10:15:29] <rmatte> once you find out, check to see if that MIB is included in my pack

[02-Aug-2011 10:15:38] <rmatte> if it's a non-cisco MIB that they are using, then it isn't

[02-Aug-2011 10:15:46] <rubella> ok

[02-Aug-2011 10:15:47] <rmatte> or probably isn't anyways

[02-Aug-2011 10:15:47] <AndrewC__> rmatte: Thanks, I'm up to 50 servers and it already was a green blob.

[02-Aug-2011 10:16:08] <rubella> is there a possibility to easily search through the oid's in zenoss?

[02-Aug-2011 10:16:12] <rmatte> AndrewC__: np

[02-Aug-2011 10:17:05] <rmatte> rubella: with the amount of SNMP objects included in that pack it would take ages

[02-Aug-2011 10:17:09] <rmatte> better to just use google

[02-Aug-2011 10:17:22] <rubella>

[02-Aug-2011 10:17:22] <rmatte> give me the OID that you're having problems with

[02-Aug-2011 10:17:25] <rmatte> I'll check myself

[02-Aug-2011 10:17:28] <rubella> ok, one sec

[02-Aug-2011 10:17:52] <rubella>     1.3.6.1.6.3.1.1.5.4

[02-Aug-2011 10:18:28] <rmatte> ok, so that's part of the IF-MIB MIB, which is a standard MIB

[02-Aug-2011 10:19:00] <rubella> ok, so I have to install this mib 

[02-Aug-2011 10:19:02] <rmatte> I'll check if that's actually part of my pack or not

[02-Aug-2011 10:19:08] <rubella> ok, nice

[02-Aug-2011 10:20:33] <rmatte> yeh it's definitely included in my pack

[02-Aug-2011 10:21:32] <rmatte> hmmm, there's no .4 though

[02-Aug-2011 10:21:40] <rmatte> linkDown 1.3.6.1.6.3.1.1.5.0.2

[02-Aug-2011 10:21:44] <rmatte> linkUp 1.3.6.1.6.3.1.1.5.0.3

[02-Aug-2011 10:21:52] <rmatte> those are what they should be

[02-Aug-2011 10:22:13] <rubella> strange

[02-Aug-2011 10:22:29] <rmatte> oh wait

[02-Aug-2011 10:22:54] <rmatte> hmmm interesting...

[02-Aug-2011 10:23:11] <rubella> I always thaught it would be an interesting problem  

[02-Aug-2011 10:23:29] <rubella> or though, how do you write it in english?

[02-Aug-2011 10:23:29] <rmatte> I'm looking at different pages that shows that MIB and they look different

[02-Aug-2011 10:24:09] <rmatte> ah...

[02-Aug-2011 10:24:26] <rmatte> give me a few more minutes, checking a few things

[02-Aug-2011 10:25:07] <rubella> take your time 

[02-Aug-2011 10:25:55] <JohnnyNOC> ok but then i'm next

[02-Aug-2011 10:25:58] <JohnnyNOC>

[02-Aug-2011 10:26:18] <JohnnyNOC> wondering if there's a way to convert an RRD crearted with 5 min polling interval into one that is polling every 60s

[02-Aug-2011 10:26:32] <JohnnyNOC> this particular device is on a collector which is supposedly doing 60s polling but the perf graphs look more lke 5 min

[02-Aug-2011 10:26:33] <JohnnyNOC> :[

[02-Aug-2011 10:26:36] <rubella> JohnnyNOC: please wait...   ;-)

[02-Aug-2011 10:26:43] <JohnnyNOC> hehehe

[02-Aug-2011 10:26:45] <JohnnyNOC> np

[02-Aug-2011 10:26:47] <rubella> there are people waiting before you  :))

[02-Aug-2011 10:26:56] <JohnnyNOC> lol

[02-Aug-2011 10:26:58] <rubella> and the expert is very busy atm 

[02-Aug-2011 10:27:20] <JohnnyNOC> he's probably on redditg

[02-Aug-2011 10:27:22] <JohnnyNOC> -g

[02-Aug-2011 10:27:53] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: I'm pretty sure you need to recreate the RRD from scratch for that, since it's not just a simple setting... it would actually need to add more rows to the file

[02-Aug-2011 10:28:11] <rmatte> there may be some rrdtool magic that you can use to do that that you could script with

[02-Aug-2011 10:28:12] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte i was afraid of that but was hoping otherwise

[02-Aug-2011 10:28:15] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*

[02-Aug-2011 10:28:17] <rmatte> but off the top of my head, no idea

[02-Aug-2011 10:28:17] <JohnnyNOC> i'm looking into that now

[02-Aug-2011 10:29:54] <rmatte> rubella: so apparently those traps are supposed to be part of SNMPv2-MIB which also comes with the pack...

[02-Aug-2011 10:30:07] <rmatte> but for whatever reason they must not have been imported via zenmib

[02-Aug-2011 10:30:32] <rubella> didn't see an errormessage after the import

[02-Aug-2011 10:30:35] <rmatte> you can add them by hand though

[02-Aug-2011 10:30:42] <rmatte> no no, you didn't import anything

[02-Aug-2011 10:30:45] <rmatte> you just installed the pack

[02-Aug-2011 10:31:00] <rmatte> I imported the MIBs in to Zenoss using a utility called zentrap

[02-Aug-2011 10:31:02] <rubella> indeed, i installed the pack using cli 

[02-Aug-2011 10:31:05] <rmatte> and it wasn't easy to do

[02-Aug-2011 10:31:10] <rubella> hahaha

[02-Aug-2011 10:31:13] <rmatte> anyways... follow these steps...

[02-Aug-2011 10:31:19] <rmatte> go to Advanced -> Mibs

[02-Aug-2011 10:31:45] <rmatte> then click on Cisco

[02-Aug-2011 10:31:46] <rubella> yes

[02-Aug-2011 10:31:49] <rubella> done

[02-Aug-2011 10:31:59] <rmatte> then find the MIB called SNMPv2-MIB and click on it

[02-Aug-2011 10:32:22] <rmatte> Then under the Traps section, click on the gear button and select Add Trap

[02-Aug-2011 10:32:45] <rmatte> name the trap linkDown and set the OID to 1.3.6.1.6.3.1.1.5.3

[02-Aug-2011 10:32:48] <rmatte> then save it

[02-Aug-2011 10:32:52] <rubella> he's searching for the mib

[02-Aug-2011 10:33:10] <rmatte> repeat the steps, but name it linkUp with OID 1.3.6.1.6.3.1.1.5.4

[02-Aug-2011 10:33:14] <rmatte> once done, restart Zenoss

[02-Aug-2011 10:33:27] <rmatte> (you don't need to reboot, just restart it from the commandline

[02-Aug-2011 10:33:36] <rmatte> then see if it translates properly, it should

[02-Aug-2011 10:34:08] <rubella> is there a risk I'll have the same kind of issues with other traps?

[02-Aug-2011 10:34:32] <rmatte> possibly though I've been using these Mibs to monitor cisco gear for a long time and I'd say about 99% of the stuff translates

[02-Aug-2011 10:34:42] <rmatte> occasionally I run in to these little one off issues

[02-Aug-2011 10:34:53] <rubella> i see

[02-Aug-2011 10:35:04] <rubella> still searching for the mib

[02-Aug-2011 10:35:33] <rmatte> you're not doing an actual search with the search box are you?

[02-Aug-2011 10:35:39] <rmatte> that'll take ages

[02-Aug-2011 10:35:41] <rmatte> look for it by hand

[02-Aug-2011 10:36:01] <rmatte> the search box not only searches each MIB but every single item under each MIB

[02-Aug-2011 10:36:08] <rmatte> there are like 300,000 objects

[02-Aug-2011 10:36:10] <rubella> i see

[02-Aug-2011 10:36:18] <rubella> indeed, i'll do it by hand

[02-Aug-2011 10:37:02] <rmatte> I'll remember to add those in in the next version of the Cisco pack, not sure when I'll find time to release one

[02-Aug-2011 10:43:05] <rubella> ok rmatte i'm busy with the restart of zenoss... thanks for your help!

[02-Aug-2011 10:43:40] <rmatte> no problem

[02-Aug-2011 10:50:00] <rubella> rmatte: problem persists

[02-Aug-2011 10:50:02] <rubella>

[02-Aug-2011 10:50:40] <rubella> the existing traps aren't translated... maybe, i have to generate a new one?

[02-Aug-2011 10:53:35] <rmatte> you added them to MIB like I said and restarted Zenoss right?

[02-Aug-2011 10:54:15] <rmatte> actually I just thought of something that we could still be missing, hold on

[02-Aug-2011 10:55:27] <rubella> thx

[02-Aug-2011 10:56:59] <AndrewC__> I've got hopefully a simple question...  I have lets say 3 servers and a firewall at one location that are being monitored. I would like to set up an alerting system so that if an SNMP value (VPN up/down) from the firewall is "down" then it does not alert me to the servers being down. What is the best way to do this... add them all to a Group or a System?

[02-Aug-2011 10:58:25] <rmatte> rubella: click on one of the traps that you didn't create

[02-Aug-2011 10:58:35] <rmatte> you'll see there are some extra properties defined

[02-Aug-2011 10:58:43] <rubella> yes

[02-Aug-2011 10:59:06] <rmatte> I'm not sure how you'd actually set those

[02-Aug-2011 10:59:43] <rmatte> either way, the fact that that's a one off bad translation isn't a huge deal, you can just map it as is and make it human readable with a transform

[02-Aug-2011 10:59:49] <rmatte> you shouldn't run in to that problem often

[02-Aug-2011 11:00:16] <rmatte> I mapped them to /Net/Link

[02-Aug-2011 11:01:17] <rubella> ok, good, i'll continue tomorrow, it's time to go home... I'm a bit tired... 

[02-Aug-2011 11:01:37] <rubella> i'll have a look tomorrow, and try to generate some additional traps...

[02-Aug-2011 11:01:49] <rubella> rmatte: thanks for your support!

[02-Aug-2011 11:02:27] <rubella> ciao dudes!

[02-Aug-2011 11:02:54] <rmatte> later

[02-Aug-2011 11:03:35] <realitygeoff_> hi there, does the alert simply mean there is a problem is an snmp run:  "localhost zenperfsnmp heartbeat failure"

[02-Aug-2011 11:05:09] <rmatte> realitygeoff_: ignore those, they are supposed to mean that the daemon isn't responding but they are overly sensitive making them useless

[02-Aug-2011 11:12:58] <realitygeoff_> rmatte: ok, thanks

[02-Aug-2011 11:14:29] <realitygeoff_> rmatte: is that snmp daemon on the node being monitored?

[02-Aug-2011 11:14:43] <realitygeoff_> or on the zenoss server?

[02-Aug-2011 11:17:24] <dhopp> realitygeoff_:  the heartbeats are for zenoss daemons

[02-Aug-2011 11:19:09] <rmatte> realitygeoff_: I monitor all my Zenoss servers from another Zenoss instance

[02-Aug-2011 11:19:33] <rmatte> realitygeoff_: and that's for the Zenoss server

[02-Aug-2011 11:19:46] <rmatte> zenperfsnmp is the zenoss snmp daemon

[02-Aug-2011 11:20:05] <realitygeoff_> yup... I caught that. 

[02-Aug-2011 11:20:34] <realitygeoff_> Is there a way to tune the sensitivity?  Is that in the settings somewhere?

[02-Aug-2011 11:20:43] <rmatte> nope

[02-Aug-2011 11:20:48] <rmatte> hence why I say to ignore them

[02-Aug-2011 11:20:54] <realitygeoff_> ok, thanks

[02-Aug-2011 11:21:07] <rmatte> I've been running 15 zenoss servers for over 2 years and I've never had a daemon suddenly decide to stop working while still running

[02-Aug-2011 11:21:27] <rmatte> monitor the actual processes somehow to make sure they are running, and that'll be good enough

[02-Aug-2011 11:50:13] <penk> hi folks - at my last gig we used zenoss to monitor vmware / esx clusters.  we're having a hard time finding a tool to do the same thing here - is the vmware toolkit for zenoss only available in the enterprise zenoss, or is it in the free/opensource versiona s well?

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[02-Aug-2011 12:01:19] <tsener> penk: there is a Zenpack for monitorin esxi hosts

[02-Aug-2011 12:01:45] <tsener> though you will have to do some manual changes to the ESXi, google  for  zenoss  esxi monitoring

[02-Aug-2011 12:01:46] <penk> yeah, but is it Enterprise only?

[02-Aug-2011 12:01:58] <tsener> nah i don't think its enterprise only

[02-Aug-2011 12:02:31] <penk> hmmm

[02-Aug-2011 12:05:07] <tsener> docs/DOC-10225

[02-Aug-2011 12:05:08] <tsener>

[02-Aug-2011 12:05:51] <rmatte> all of the ESXi packs available for Core are garbage

[02-Aug-2011 12:07:24] <penk> heh.

[02-Aug-2011 12:07:44] <penk> that was my old-sk00l remembrances as well.  there -were- ones for core, but they weren't very good.

[02-Aug-2011 12:10:11] <rmatte> Eric Enns was working on a half decent pack

[02-Aug-2011 12:10:14] <rmatte> but he never finished it

[02-Aug-2011 12:10:35] <rmatte> it also wasn't the most lightweight thing

[02-Aug-2011 12:11:44] <bigegor_> hi, if i get more time, i'll try to create my ESXi ZenPack (WBEM based)

[02-Aug-2011 12:11:57] <rmatte> bigegor_: cool

[02-Aug-2011 12:31:05] <nexex> if I have a device classified as /server is there a way to classify it as /server/linux?

[02-Aug-2011 12:33:48] <tsener> yup

[02-Aug-2011 12:34:02] <tsener> there should be Change class somewhere on the menus

[02-Aug-2011 12:34:38] <tsener> bye all

[02-Aug-2011 12:55:12] bigegor_ is now known as bigegor

[02-Aug-2011 13:11:34] <straterra> I forget...can ZenOSS do snmp traps?

[02-Aug-2011 14:15:09] <nyeates> straterra: Yes

[02-Aug-2011 14:15:22] <straterra> The community version too?

[02-Aug-2011 14:15:43] <straterra> I'd love to get pages on "ZOMG, the ESX server in China just had one of its PSU's die!"

[02-Aug-2011 14:17:02] <nyeates> version 2 traps i believe

[02-Aug-2011 14:17:17] <straterra> Sweet

[02-Aug-2011 14:18:00] <straterra> I can honestly say that I've never messed with snmp traps before

[02-Aug-2011 14:18:21] <nyeates> docs/DOC-9437#SNMPEVENTTransform

[02-Aug-2011 14:18:46] <nyeates> they often come in as events classified into /Unknown

[02-Aug-2011 14:18:49] <straterra> Ooh, documentation

[02-Aug-2011 14:19:02] <straterra> Yeah, i could see that

[02-Aug-2011 14:19:16] <nyeates> later!

[02-Aug-2011 14:19:28] <straterra> Later

[02-Aug-2011 16:03:13] <straterra> wow, 3.1 is out? I'm still on 2.5.2

[02-Aug-2011 16:10:04] <dhopp> 3.1 has been out for a long time

[02-Aug-2011 16:10:24] <dhopp> 3.2 is supposed to be out this month

[02-Aug-2011 16:10:30] <straterra> shows how often I upgrade

[02-Aug-2011 16:10:44] <straterra> hell, I can't even log in to the web interface on this install

[02-Aug-2011 16:10:51] <dhopp> don't worry..a lot of people are still on 2.5.2

[02-Aug-2011 16:11:05] <straterra> I won't be for long

[02-Aug-2011 16:24:09] <straterra> Where is the preupgrade egg at? I'm not seeing at on the zenpacks page

[02-Aug-2011 16:25:11] <Hackman238> straterra: Its on sourceforge last time I got a copy

[02-Aug-2011 16:25:24] <Hackman238> straterra: If you cant find it, pm me your email and I'll send a copy

[02-Aug-2011 16:25:30] <straterra> alrighty

[02-Aug-2011 16:25:39] <straterra> The upgrade guide pdf should be updated with that path

[02-Aug-2011 16:26:25] <Hackman238> straterra: Cant agree more

[02-Aug-2011 16:27:06] <straterra> Should I grab the 3.0.0 or the 3.0.3 preupgrade egg?

[02-Aug-2011 16:28:00] <Hackman238> straterra: http://en.sourceforge.jp/projects/sfnet_zenoss/downloads/zenpacks-3.0/zenpacks-3.0.0/ZenPacks.zenoss.PreUpgrade30-1.0-py2.4.egg/

[02-Aug-2011 16:28:11] <Hackman238> straterra: I'd grab the newer one if you can find it

[02-Aug-2011 16:28:16] <straterra> I did

[02-Aug-2011 16:28:18] <straterra> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/zenoss/zenpacks-3.0/zenpacks-3.0.3/ZenPacks.zenoss.PreUpgrade30-1.1-py2.4.egg?r=http%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fzenoss%2Ffiles%2Fzenpacks-3.0%2Fzenpacks-3.0.3%2F&ts=1312316864&use_mirror=surfnet

[02-Aug-2011 16:28:39] <Hackman238> straterra: yeah use that copy. More error condition ahndling

[02-Aug-2011 16:28:42] <Hackman238> *handeling

[02-Aug-2011 16:29:44] <Hackman238> straterra: Also, its not a bad idea to zenchkrels -x1 -r before running zencatalog

[02-Aug-2011 16:30:17] <straterra> alrighty

[02-Aug-2011 16:31:06] <straterra> Apparantly, zenoss on this server has been stopped for months...who knew

[02-Aug-2011 16:32:15] <Hackman238> straterra: Oh man

[02-Aug-2011 16:32:16] <Hackman238> LOL

[02-Aug-2011 16:32:33] <straterra> We were going to move from it, but other stuff came up..so..its been sitting here

[02-Aug-2011 16:32:47] <Hackman238> straterra: Move from zenoss to another platform?

[02-Aug-2011 16:33:21] <straterra> No, to zenoss from nagios

[02-Aug-2011 16:33:32] <Hackman238> straterra: Ah gotcha.

[02-Aug-2011 16:33:55] <Hackman238> straterra: If you need help, the community is here and if you need consulting, a few of us offer it.

[02-Aug-2011 16:34:09] <straterra> Thanks

[02-Aug-2011 16:34:25] <Hackman238> straterra: NP

[02-Aug-2011 16:34:46] <straterra> The funny part is the number of servers in the "red" keeps climbing..and climbing...and climbing

[02-Aug-2011 16:35:17] <Hackman238> straterra: Yeah...once monitoring is in place it always seems to find things needing to eb fixed

[02-Aug-2011 16:35:20] <Hackman238> LOL

[02-Aug-2011 16:36:25] <Hackman238> straterra: What type of devices are you monitoring? Mostly server/services or network?

[02-Aug-2011 16:36:35] <straterra> Both

[02-Aug-2011 16:36:46] <straterra> I do remember one issue I had with Zenoss

[02-Aug-2011 16:37:21] <straterra> We have many remote plants and they are multi homed..I had issues getting Zenoss to monitor a specific IP on a host.

[02-Aug-2011 16:37:49] <Hackman238> straterra: Do you have overlapping ip space?

[02-Aug-2011 16:38:07] <straterra> Overlapping? No

[02-Aug-2011 16:38:33] <straterra> But we have say..a remote plant with two internet connections. We run OpenVPN over those two links to a central office. Then we use OSPF over the links.

[02-Aug-2011 16:38:43] <straterra> So..if one goes down, it all gets re-routed over the second

[02-Aug-2011 16:39:00] <straterra> But I still need a page that the connection went down, even if Zenoss can reach the remote network

[02-Aug-2011 16:39:32] <straterra> Oh...the zenchkrels ran for a bit and tossed this.. ERROR:zen.Relations:remote relation /zport/dmd/ZenUsers/tyork/messages/msg/messageQueue doesn't point back to /zport/dmd/ZenUsers/tyork/messages/msg/messageQueue

[02-Aug-2011 16:39:37] <Hackman238> straterra: Gotcha. The best way to do that is to use snmp traps to notify zenoss of ospf changes

[02-Aug-2011 16:39:52] <straterra> snmp traps for ospf changes? Ooh..I like that

[02-Aug-2011 16:39:56] <rmatte> that's how I do it

[02-Aug-2011 16:40:10] <straterra> Do you run cisco ospf?

[02-Aug-2011 16:40:30] <rmatte> yes, Cisco

[02-Aug-2011 16:40:32] <Hackman238> straterra: ospf and bgp here at Rackspace, yes

[02-Aug-2011 16:40:46] <straterra> I run quagga and bird here

[02-Aug-2011 16:41:05] <rmatte> actually I think we might use syslog for OSPF, but I know we use traps for BGP and EIGRP

[02-Aug-2011 16:41:12] <rmatte> HSRP as well

[02-Aug-2011 16:41:52] <Hackman238> straterra:

[02-Aug-2011 16:41:58] <Hackman238> straterra: su zenoss; zendmd

[02-Aug-2011 16:42:07] <Hackman238> straterra: paste the following:

[02-Aug-2011 16:42:09] <Hackman238> messageQueue problem

[02-Aug-2011 16:42:09] <Hackman238> for user in dmd.ZenUsers.getUsers(): user.messages.removeRelation()

[02-Aug-2011 16:42:10] <Hackman238> commit()

[02-Aug-2011 16:42:33] <straterra> invalid syntax, heh

[02-Aug-2011 16:42:39] <Hackman238> straterra: Sans the messegeQueue problem line

[02-Aug-2011 16:42:44] <Hackman238> straterra: Sorry

[02-Aug-2011 16:42:45] <Hackman238> LOL

[02-Aug-2011 16:43:09] <straterra> Is it..a capital t or something? The carrot is pointing at the t in commit

[02-Aug-2011 16:43:40] <Hackman238> straterra: No, I forgot to mention you'll need to double return after the for line before commit()

[02-Aug-2011 16:43:44] <straterra> aaah

[02-Aug-2011 16:43:54] <Hackman238> straterra: Been a long day

[02-Aug-2011 16:44:02] <straterra> all better

[02-Aug-2011 16:44:04] <straterra> It's all good

[02-Aug-2011 16:44:37] <Hackman238> straterra: Alrighty, good. do the commit() afterwards

[02-Aug-2011 16:44:47] <Hackman238> straterra: rerun zenchkrels -x1 -r

[02-Aug-2011 16:44:49] <straterra> All done. I'm re-running that scan

[02-Aug-2011 16:44:56] <Hackman238> straterra: Alrighty

[02-Aug-2011 16:45:14] <rmatte> ah nope, we do use traps for ospf

[02-Aug-2011 16:45:31] <straterra> I'll have to pick your brain on that

[02-Aug-2011 16:46:21] <rmatte> not much to it, I didn't even bother to make transforms

[02-Aug-2011 16:46:25] <Hackman238> Yeah, traps tend to eb the best way

[02-Aug-2011 16:46:29] <rmatte> just installed the Cisco Mibs and enabled the traps on the devices

[02-Aug-2011 16:46:48] <straterra> I need to figure out traps anyway so I can get some monitoring on my ESX servers. I just bought essentials just to do SNMP traps

[02-Aug-2011 16:46:50] <Hackman238> Used in conjunction with transforms for path outage alerting

[02-Aug-2011 16:47:09] <Hackman238> straterra: Nice.

[02-Aug-2011 16:47:26] <rmatte> straterra: VMWare have really crippled their SNMP support lately, they are pushing people to use their vSphere API

[02-Aug-2011 16:47:27] <straterra> Good thing essentials is cheap. A grand for 6 licenses

[02-Aug-2011 16:47:41] <rmatte> which is ridiculous because the API has so much overhead it's ridiculous

[02-Aug-2011 16:47:50] <straterra> rmatte: Yeah..I've noticed that. I actually use their vCLI for some stuff

[02-Aug-2011 16:47:55] <rmatte> when I enabled monitoring of all of our VMs with that it doubled the traffic through our link

[02-Aug-2011 16:47:57] <rmatte> I had to disable it

[02-Aug-2011 16:48:23] <rmatte> they're being stupid not providing a proper SNMP agent for their product

[02-Aug-2011 16:48:48] <straterra> They're being stupid for more reasons than that..you should look at the vsphere 5 licensing

[02-Aug-2011 16:49:35] <Hackman238> ....why not OpenStack guys?

[02-Aug-2011 16:50:48] <straterra> Holy..its almost 5

[02-Aug-2011 16:50:58] <straterra> I gotta run..thanks for the help. I'll most certainly be back tomorrow

[02-Aug-2011 16:51:02] <Hackman238> straterra: NP

[02-Aug-2011 16:51:04] <Hackman238> TTYL

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[02-Aug-2011 17:07:02] <Hackman238> Have to run

[02-Aug-2011 17:07:04] <Hackman238> Later all

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[03-Aug-2011 04:28:29] <Rickson-> all my reports has disappeard from the report meny in zenoss core, and i cant create new ones either

[03-Aug-2011 05:37:23] <mennie> after i loaded a mib, what should i do more? the device was already added

[03-Aug-2011 05:47:09] <fragfutter> mennie: the mib is only for snmp trap transformation, you know that, right?

[03-Aug-2011 05:47:45] <mennie> yes

[03-Aug-2011 05:47:51] <mennie> i am receiving traps

[03-Aug-2011 05:47:56] <mennie> and it is just a number

[03-Aug-2011 05:47:56] <fragfutter> ok.

[03-Aug-2011 05:48:25] <mennie> snmp trap 1.3.6.1.4.1.3224.0.200

[03-Aug-2011 05:51:34] <photon001> how can I parse/change a sting returned by SNMP to an integer

[03-Aug-2011 05:51:36] <photon001> ?

[03-Aug-2011 07:03:08] <froztbyte> so

[03-Aug-2011 07:03:15] <froztbyte> I've got a device with multiple IPs

[03-Aug-2011 07:03:21] <froztbyte> on multiple interfaces

[03-Aug-2011 07:03:29] <froztbyte> and I care about the perf data for all those interfaces

[03-Aug-2011 07:03:59] <froztbyte> but I might sometimes lose connectivity to a single IP on it without losing connectivity to the device

[03-Aug-2011 07:04:12] <froztbyte> how can I monitor all those IPs for reachability?

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[03-Aug-2011 08:45:16] <photon_> How can load Mibs into Zenoss ?

[03-Aug-2011 08:54:01] <Hackman238> Morning all!

[03-Aug-2011 09:00:30] <photon001> <Hackman238> : Good morning

[03-Aug-2011 09:00:56] <photon001> <Hackman238> : got some time to spare ?

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[03-Aug-2011 09:04:08] <Sam-I-Am> mooooooo

[03-Aug-2011 09:04:35] <Hackman238> photon001: Sure

[03-Aug-2011 09:06:26] <photon001> <Hackman238> : thanks ^^. I need to know the proper method to load MIBs into Zenoss. I found 3 methods : from GUI, one method in the official doc, another more extended in the website

[03-Aug-2011 09:06:51] <photon001> <Hackman238> : Can you tell which one is the safest ?

[03-Aug-2011 09:12:17] <Sam-I-Am> i use the command line

[03-Aug-2011 09:12:21] <Hackman238> photon001: Which version?

[03-Aug-2011 09:12:21] <Sam-I-Am> zenmib

[03-Aug-2011 09:12:28] <Hackman238> photon001: Your best bet is the CLI

[03-Aug-2011 09:12:54] <Hackman238> photon001: Be forwarned though, MIBs are hit and miss in Zenoss

[03-Aug-2011 09:13:32] <Hackman238> photon001: I generally reccomend that people download the zenoss virtual appliance, start it up, import the mibs and export them to a zenpack.

[03-Aug-2011 09:13:44] <Hackman238> photon001: You can then take than zenpack and install it in your production more safely

[03-Aug-2011 09:14:03] <Hackman238> photon001: ...because once you zenmib, you cannot un-zenmib.

[03-Aug-2011 09:14:04] <Sam-I-Am> mibs are an odd duck

[03-Aug-2011 09:14:20] <Sam-I-Am> you'll need to use debug mode or check the gui to make sure they were imorted

[03-Aug-2011 09:14:23] <Sam-I-Am> imported

[03-Aug-2011 09:19:29] <photon001> Okaay

[03-Aug-2011 09:19:54] <photon001> So, the safest way is to use a zenpack

[03-Aug-2011 09:20:12] <photon001> but how do I load then in my VM appliance ?

[03-Aug-2011 09:20:22] <Sam-I-Am> you'd use the cli

[03-Aug-2011 09:20:27] <photon001> do I use the simple method : copy to /site and zenmib run ?

[03-Aug-2011 09:20:37] <Sam-I-Am> the vm way is a method to launder the mibs so theyre clean for your main install

[03-Aug-2011 09:20:57] <photon001> yes

[03-Aug-2011 09:21:08] <photon001> I understand that

[03-Aug-2011 09:21:50] <photon001> But how to load them directly to Zenoss using CLI ? Copying them to /site and running zenmib is good enough ?

[03-Aug-2011 09:22:12] <photon001> <Hackman238> : Zenoss 3.1

[03-Aug-2011 09:22:23] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, the method outlined for the cli works

[03-Aug-2011 09:22:51] <photon001> what if dependencies are unmet when loading ?

[03-Aug-2011 09:23:08] <Sam-I-Am> you'll need to have those met before loading, ideally

[03-Aug-2011 09:23:14] <Sam-I-Am> thats the fun part of snmp in general

[03-Aug-2011 09:23:30] <photon001> soo much fun indeed

[03-Aug-2011 09:23:36] <Sam-I-Am> what i did was load the mibs into net-snmp and see if snmpwalk gets mad

[03-Aug-2011 09:23:57] <JohnnyNOC> sup Hackman238

[03-Aug-2011 09:23:59] <JohnnyNOC> Sam-I-Am

[03-Aug-2011 09:24:00] <photon001> okay

[03-Aug-2011 09:24:05] <JohnnyNOC> howdy

[03-Aug-2011 09:24:26] <Sam-I-Am> yoyo

[03-Aug-2011 09:24:27] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hey, how goes it?

[03-Aug-2011 09:24:40] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 going alright

[03-Aug-2011 09:24:46] <JohnnyNOC> migration is still on-going

[03-Aug-2011 09:25:00] <JohnnyNOC> I moved my primary master Zenoss server to new hardware yesterday and pointed the collectors to it..  all seems well thus far

[03-Aug-2011 09:25:03] <Hackman238> photon001: Dep problems with Mibs are tricky. I think rmatte has a good amount of experience with mibs

[03-Aug-2011 09:25:08] <JohnnyNOC> so now i FINALLY get to rebuild my primary master as a 3.1.0

[03-Aug-2011 09:25:11] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Congrats!

[03-Aug-2011 09:25:12] <JohnnyNOC> weeeee

[03-Aug-2011 09:27:03] <photon001> Okay. Thanks alot guys

[03-Aug-2011 09:31:26] <Rickson-> all my reports has disappeard from the report meny in zenoss core, and i cant create new ones either, nothing happends when i press submit.

[03-Aug-2011 09:31:37] <JohnnyNOC> are your reports are belong to us

[03-Aug-2011 09:31:53] <JohnnyNOC> Rickson- in all seriousness, that sucks, wish I knew how to help

[03-Aug-2011 09:32:41] <Rickson-> yeah it kind of sucks

[03-Aug-2011 09:35:04] <Rickson-> if i would have been able to create new ones i could have lived with it

[03-Aug-2011 09:35:28] <Sam-I-Am> have you restarted zenoss?

[03-Aug-2011 09:35:35] <Rickson-> yes

[03-Aug-2011 09:35:39] <Sam-I-Am> and out of curiosity, were you doing anything weird at the time?

[03-Aug-2011 09:36:17] <Rickson-> well i had created a test report and i removed it

[03-Aug-2011 09:36:28] <Sam-I-Am> i'd also check the logs

[03-Aug-2011 09:37:17] <Rickson-> and specific log?

[03-Aug-2011 09:37:54] <Sam-I-Am> good question... a problem there could have been logged in a few places

[03-Aug-2011 09:40:00] <klone> i'd check the event.log

[03-Aug-2011 09:40:49] <Sam-I-Am> good first stop

[03-Aug-2011 09:41:23] <klone> also, you could stop zopectl, and then start it up in the foreground with `zopectl fg` and when it says it's ready for connections, try your steps again and see if zope blows up

[03-Aug-2011 09:42:52] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Did you modify any report plugin files?

[03-Aug-2011 09:43:23] <Rickson-> klone will try

[03-Aug-2011 09:43:25] <Rickson-> Hackman238 no

[03-Aug-2011 09:44:35] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Def sounds like zope fun

[03-Aug-2011 09:45:38] <Rickson-> tried to run in fg and i get alot of this error WARNING ZEO.zrpc (31051) CW: error connecting to ('localhost', 8100): ECONNREFUSED

[03-Aug-2011 09:49:25] <Hackman238> Rickson-: do a zeoctl statuz

[03-Aug-2011 09:49:30] <Hackman238> *zeoctl status

[03-Aug-2011 09:54:24] <Rickson-> when running with zopectrl fg it said that the program was not running, when started the zenoss proccess (zenoss start) it showd that the application is running

[03-Aug-2011 10:04:38] <Hackman238> Rickson-: do zopectl stop

[03-Aug-2011 10:04:43] <Hackman238> Rickson-: zopectl fg

[03-Aug-2011 10:04:50] <Hackman238> Rickson-: As the zenoss user

[03-Aug-2011 10:09:55] <Rickson-> done

[03-Aug-2011 10:10:12] <Hackman238> Rickson-: No error?

[03-Aug-2011 10:10:42] <Rickson-> just this warning WARNING ZEO.zrpc (32137) CW: error connecting to ('localhost', 8100): ECONNREFUSED

[03-Aug-2011 10:11:05] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Okay, zeo is messed up

[03-Aug-2011 10:11:16] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Do a zenoss stop

[03-Aug-2011 10:11:22] <Hackman238> Rickson-: then ps aux | grep zeo

[03-Aug-2011 10:11:29] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Any hits on Zeo?

[03-Aug-2011 10:13:27] <Rickson-> no

[03-Aug-2011 10:13:40] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Okay, su zenoss; zeoctl

[03-Aug-2011 10:13:53] <Hackman238> Rickson-: at the zeo prompt 'fg'

[03-Aug-2011 10:14:07] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Does it say port in use?

[03-Aug-2011 10:14:58] <Rickson-> no

[03-Aug-2011 10:15:21] <Rickson-> it says nothing

[03-Aug-2011 10:15:53] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Okay good

[03-Aug-2011 10:15:59] <Hackman238> Rickson-: In a new console, su zenoss

[03-Aug-2011 10:16:01] <Hackman238> zopectl fg

[03-Aug-2011 10:16:15] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Dont close the one running zeoctl

[03-Aug-2011 10:16:59] <Rickson-> Error: address ('localhost', 8100) already in use

[03-Aug-2011 10:16:59] <Rickson-> For help, use /opt/zenoss/lib/python/ZEO/runzeo.py -h

[03-Aug-2011 10:17:32] <Hackman238> Rickson-: That happened when you ran zopectl fg?

[03-Aug-2011 10:17:50] <Rickson-> oh

[03-Aug-2011 10:17:51] <Rickson-> no

[03-Aug-2011 10:18:29] <Rickson-> typed wrong thing, i did right now and no error

[03-Aug-2011 10:18:36] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Okay

[03-Aug-2011 10:19:03] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Re run your report

[03-Aug-2011 10:19:15] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Or try to do whatever wasnt working

[03-Aug-2011 10:22:22] <Rickson-> now i can see this in the termnial http://pastebin.com/XsQgH5sY

[03-Aug-2011 10:22:40] <Rickson-> when i try to access report

[03-Aug-2011 10:24:09] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Gotcha. In yet another console, su zenoss

[03-Aug-2011 10:24:15] <Hackman238> Rickson-: zenchkrels -x1 -r

[03-Aug-2011 10:28:07] <froztbyte> <froztbyte> so

[03-Aug-2011 10:28:07] <froztbyte> <froztbyte> I've got a device with multiple IPs

[03-Aug-2011 10:28:07] <froztbyte> <froztbyte> on multiple interfaces

[03-Aug-2011 10:28:07] <froztbyte> <froztbyte> and I care about the perf data for all those interfaces

[03-Aug-2011 10:28:09] <froztbyte> <froztbyte> but I might sometimes lose connectivity to a single IP on it without losing connectivity to the device

[03-Aug-2011 10:28:13] <froztbyte> <froztbyte> how can I monitor all those IPs for reachability?

[03-Aug-2011 10:28:24] * froztbyte ambushes people while they're around

[03-Aug-2011 10:28:44] <Rickson-> Hackman238 it runs for a while, then i get this error http://pastebin.com/F6mf0cTF

[03-Aug-2011 10:31:17] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Something is seriously wrong...when did this start? What platform, zenoss versiona nd type?

[03-Aug-2011 10:33:20] <Rickson-> http://pastebin.com/gU4Ruv84

[03-Aug-2011 10:33:43] <Rickson-> well it started when i just tried to remove a report

[03-Aug-2011 10:33:45] <Rickson-> so strange

[03-Aug-2011 10:33:50] <Rickson-> everything else is working

[03-Aug-2011 10:34:10] <SDuensin> Greetings.

[03-Aug-2011 10:34:12] <Hackman238> Rickson-: as zenoss, do env python

[03-Aug-2011 10:34:19] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Version 2.6.2?

[03-Aug-2011 10:34:24] <Hackman238> SDuensin: Hello!

[03-Aug-2011 10:34:51] <Rickson-> yes

[03-Aug-2011 10:34:56] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Ok. 1 second

[03-Aug-2011 10:36:31] <Hackman238> Rickson-: As zenoss, zendmd

[03-Aug-2011 10:36:37] <Hackman238> Rickson-: paste the following:

[03-Aug-2011 10:36:41] <Hackman238> for i in dmd.getSubObjects():

[03-Aug-2011 10:36:41] <Hackman238>    try:

[03-Aug-2011 10:36:41] <Hackman238>       i.checkRelations(repair=True)

[03-Aug-2011 10:36:41] <Hackman238>    except:

[03-Aug-2011 10:36:41] <Hackman238>       pass

[03-Aug-2011 10:36:56] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Then press return twice

[03-Aug-2011 10:37:12] <Hackman238> Rickson-: then type 'commit()' and press rtn once more

[03-Aug-2011 10:40:26] <Rickson-> ok

[03-Aug-2011 10:41:18] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Any errors?

[03-Aug-2011 10:42:18] <Rickson-> http://pastebin.com/ivTsEXKL

[03-Aug-2011 10:42:56] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Oh my.

[03-Aug-2011 10:43:05] <Hackman238> Rickson-: in zendmd paste the following:

[03-Aug-2011 10:43:07] <Hackman238> messageQueue problem

[03-Aug-2011 10:43:12] <Hackman238> for user in dmd.ZenUsers.getUsers(): user.messages.removeRelation()

[03-Aug-2011 10:43:28] <Hackman238> Rickson-: ugh...my bad, just the for user line

[03-Aug-2011 10:43:36] <Hackman238> Rickson-: double rtn then commit()

[03-Aug-2011 10:43:41] <ljkite> Problem:When adding ip services in 3.1 i am getting a "had errors"

[03-Aug-2011 10:44:25] <ljkite> where can i go to check on this?

[03-Aug-2011 10:47:10] <Rickson-> Hackman238 user.message.removerelation or the first part?

[03-Aug-2011 10:49:31] <Hackman238> Rickson-: in zendmd paste 'for user in dmd.ZenUsers.getUsers(): user.messages.removeRelation()' without quotes then double rtn

[03-Aug-2011 10:49:38] <Hackman238> Rickson-: then commit()

[03-Aug-2011 10:49:59] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Then repaste the first block of code I sent and double rtn

[03-Aug-2011 10:50:35] <Hackman238> ljkite: strange, no other infos?

[03-Aug-2011 10:52:34] <Hackman238> ljkite: idea, try this: su zenoss; zopectl stop; zopectl fg

[03-Aug-2011 10:52:43] <Hackman238> ljkite: then retry adding an ip service

[03-Aug-2011 10:52:56] <Hackman238> ljkite: Curious if its a ui problem, rel problem or something else

[03-Aug-2011 10:53:08] <Rickson-> Hackman238 seem to be the same error stil

[03-Aug-2011 10:53:19] <Hackman238> Rickson-: MessageQueue?

[03-Aug-2011 10:53:47] <Rickson-> http://pastebin.com/EpY8VUBM

[03-Aug-2011 10:53:51] <Hackman238> Rickson-: did you do a commit() after the messageQueue fixing code?

[03-Aug-2011 10:54:01] <straterra> Hackman238: so once I get this install updated to 3.0.3, I can easily go to 3.1.0, right?

[03-Aug-2011 10:54:07] <dhopp> Can I just have one semi-'normal' day where shit isn't exploding all over?  Is that really so much to ask?

[03-Aug-2011 10:54:31] <Hackman238> straterra: Thats correct

[03-Aug-2011 10:54:44] <Hackman238> dhopp: What happened?

[03-Aug-2011 10:54:59] <dhopp> Hackman238:  it may be easier to ask what didn't happen

[03-Aug-2011 10:55:23] <Hackman238> dhopp: What didnt happen?

[03-Aug-2011 10:55:23] <dhopp> Hackman238:  nothing to do with Zenoss..just seems like everything under the sun is having a problem of some form for the last week

[03-Aug-2011 10:55:49] <Hackman238> dhopp: Ah...I hear that. Level 3 telcommunications almost blew up the internet yesterday

[03-Aug-2011 10:57:02] <dhopp> Hackman238:  you have level 3 for Internet access at your house?

[03-Aug-2011 10:57:46] <Hackman238> dhopp: No no, but they had a shitstorm of problems. World wide throughput dropped 20% while their shit was broke

[03-Aug-2011 10:57:58] <Rickson-> Hackman238 yes i did commit

[03-Aug-2011 10:58:14] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Hum...

[03-Aug-2011 10:58:21] <Hackman238> Rickson-: CTRL + D

[03-Aug-2011 10:58:38] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Then zendmd again

[03-Aug-2011 10:58:50] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Repaste the messageQueue code

[03-Aug-2011 10:59:06] <Hackman238> Rickson-: double rtn, when it returns a prompt commit()

[03-Aug-2011 10:59:21] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Then reindex()

[03-Aug-2011 10:59:28] <Hackman238> Rickson-: And another commit()

[03-Aug-2011 10:59:43] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Sorry, sounds like there could be more than one problem

[03-Aug-2011 11:00:43] <Rickson-> ok i did reindex and commit

[03-Aug-2011 11:01:18] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Okay, CTRL + D again

[03-Aug-2011 11:01:55] <mennie> i try to create a local copy of ethernetCsmacd_64, but i get error Value: The property description does not exist

[03-Aug-2011 11:02:03] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Go to http://yourzenoss:8080/zport/dmd/ZenUsers/manage

[03-Aug-2011 11:02:22] <Hackman238> Rickson-: put a check next to 'admin' and scroll to the bottom and click remove/delete

[03-Aug-2011 11:03:29] <ljkite> hackman:thanks, it was actually a browser issue.. for some reason i can add it in mozilla but not in IE8

[03-Aug-2011 11:04:11] <Hackman238> ljkite: Very strange!

[03-Aug-2011 11:04:24] <Hackman238> ljkite: Please report that bug to zenoss if you ahve time

[03-Aug-2011 11:04:38] <ljkite> yeah, i'd expect ie8 to work for everything but this isn't uncommon with a lot of things

[03-Aug-2011 11:04:46] <ljkite> will do!

[03-Aug-2011 11:04:57] <Rickson-> Hackman238 done

[03-Aug-2011 11:05:40] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Ok. on the zopectl fg page, CTRL + C

[03-Aug-2011 11:05:47] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Should kill zope

[03-Aug-2011 11:05:53] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Did it?

[03-Aug-2011 11:06:06] <Rickson-> yes

[03-Aug-2011 11:06:16] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Okay, zopectl fg again

[03-Aug-2011 11:06:41] <Hackman238> Rickson-: In the zenoss console with dmd, CTRL + D to close it if its still open. zenchkrels -x1 -r

[03-Aug-2011 11:07:33] <straterra> Hackman238: is there a guide for 3.0.3 to 3.1.0 upgrade? I see release notes under the zendocs 3.1.0 directory, but thats it

[03-Aug-2011 11:07:54] <Rickson-> now i stil have this error about CW: error connecting to ('localhost', 8100): ECONNREFUSED

[03-Aug-2011 11:11:34] <Rickson-> worst thing is that i really have to go now aswell, i guess i can ask you next time im at work

[03-Aug-2011 11:16:12] <Hackman238> straterra: There might be. I personally dont know.

[03-Aug-2011 11:16:16] <straterra> Ah, ok

[03-Aug-2011 11:16:23] <Hackman238> straterra: I can walk you through it if you need

[03-Aug-2011 11:16:35] <straterra> Is it the same instructions as 2.5 to 3.0?

[03-Aug-2011 11:16:38] <straterra> If so..I can just follow that

[03-Aug-2011 11:16:42] <Hackman238> straterra: Much simpler

[03-Aug-2011 11:16:45] <straterra> oh really

[03-Aug-2011 11:16:56] <Hackman238> straterra: Yes.

[03-Aug-2011 11:17:05] <straterra> Sure, walk me through it

[03-Aug-2011 11:17:18] <Hackman238> straterra: On the prodcution box: backup

[03-Aug-2011 11:17:26] <Hackman238> straterra: su zenoss; zenoss stop

[03-Aug-2011 11:17:46] <Hackman238> straterra: tar czvf zenoss.backup.tar.gz zenoss

[03-Aug-2011 11:17:56] <Hackman238> straterra: So we have a backup if all hell breaks loose

[03-Aug-2011 11:18:18] <Hackman238> straterra: After backing up, zeoctl start

[03-Aug-2011 11:18:28] <Hackman238> straterra: then zenchkrels -x1 -r

[03-Aug-2011 11:18:48] <Hackman238> straterra: If it completes without error, run zendmd and type reindex() and then commit()

[03-Aug-2011 11:18:57] <Hackman238> straterra: If no errors, CRTL + D

[03-Aug-2011 11:19:20] <Hackman238> straterra: as zenoss, $ZENHOME/bin/zeopack -h localhost -p 8100

[03-Aug-2011 11:19:51] jb____ is now known as jb

[03-Aug-2011 11:24:37] <straterra> Hackman238: What's after that?

[03-Aug-2011 11:25:10] <Hackman238> straterra: Done to that point?

[03-Aug-2011 11:25:17] <straterra> Almost

[03-Aug-2011 11:25:25] <Hackman238> straterra: Wow, nice

[03-Aug-2011 11:25:45] <Hackman238> straterra: Once done download the v3.1 packages

[03-Aug-2011 11:25:52] <Hackman238> straterra: do you use rpm or stack?

[03-Aug-2011 11:25:54] <straterra> They're already downloaded..that was my first step

[03-Aug-2011 11:25:57] <straterra> rpm with rhel5

[03-Aug-2011 11:26:02] <Hackman238> straterra: Nice

[03-Aug-2011 11:26:17] <Hackman238> straterra: When its all done, su root

[03-Aug-2011 11:26:31] <Hackman238> straterra: rpm -Uvh --nodeps {zenoss}.rpm

[03-Aug-2011 11:26:49] <Hackman238> straterra: It'll install. Then, as root, service zenoss start

[03-Aug-2011 11:27:05] <Hackman238> straterra: It'll do zenmigrate, etc. Let me know if there are any errors

[03-Aug-2011 11:27:20] <straterra> Alrighty

[03-Aug-2011 11:27:32] <Hackman238> straterra: Once thats all good we can rpm -Uvh --nodeps {zenoss-core-packs}.rpm

[03-Aug-2011 11:27:43] <Hackman238> straterra: Dont try to install the packs until the end

[03-Aug-2011 11:30:53] <straterra> I wonder if Zenoss wouldn't like a server with a bit more CPU

[03-Aug-2011 11:31:24] <Hackman238> straterra: More threads is better

[03-Aug-2011 11:31:46] <Hackman238> straterra: Hyperthreading threads are not helpful for zenoss in my tests

[03-Aug-2011 11:32:09] <straterra> yeah, this is an old 1U P4 server with HT

[03-Aug-2011 11:32:18] <Hackman238> straterra: oh damn

[03-Aug-2011 11:32:36] <straterra> It works ok..I mean, it only does Zenoss

[03-Aug-2011 11:32:37] <Hackman238> straterra: In that case HT is the only reason anything ever makes it out of the cpu pipeline

[03-Aug-2011 11:33:24] <straterra> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz

[03-Aug-2011 11:33:34] <straterra> It has a blazing 2GB memory

[03-Aug-2011 11:33:36] <Hackman238> straterra: HT is sort of a shortcut out of the pipeline. It was a way to stop AMD Opertons of that erra from whipping the ten mile long P4 core pipeline's ass in every test imaginable.

[03-Aug-2011 11:33:42] <straterra> Yeah

[03-Aug-2011 11:34:11] <straterra> This server used to be virtualized..but our old virtual servers didn't have enough oomph, so it got moved to this box..and then we upgraded the virtual servers

[03-Aug-2011 11:34:16] <Hackman238> straterra: ...sort of an AMD fan

[03-Aug-2011 11:34:38] <Hackman238> straterra: Yeah Zenoss doesnt virtualize well due to thread competition and disk io limitations

[03-Aug-2011 11:35:10] <straterra> Starting zenoss used to take several, several minutes when it was virtualized

[03-Aug-2011 11:36:37] <Hackman238> straterra: Yep

[03-Aug-2011 11:36:44] <Hackman238> straterra: What step are you at?

[03-Aug-2011 11:38:33] <straterra> About to install the zenpacks

[03-Aug-2011 11:38:59] <Hackman238> straterra: service zenoss start went ok?

[03-Aug-2011 11:39:02] <straterra> Yup

[03-Aug-2011 11:39:17] <Hackman238> straterra: did it go through extra steps?

[03-Aug-2011 11:39:19] <straterra> That zenpack rpm is smarter than the last time I tried to use em..it checks the running status of zenoss now

[03-Aug-2011 11:39:27] <Hackman238> straterra: Yep

[03-Aug-2011 11:39:44] <straterra> Yeah, starting zenoss spit out extra lines about upgrading

[03-Aug-2011 11:40:13] <Hackman238> straterra: Alrighty. Once your packs are installed I'd do another zenchkrels and test to make sure all your old tests are working

[03-Aug-2011 11:40:31] <Hackman238> straterra: Stash that backup.tar.gz somewhere and you're all set

[03-Aug-2011 11:42:08] <straterra> A lot of my old stuff needs to be updated

[03-Aug-2011 11:42:31] <straterra> Is there an easy way to flush out checks for specific processes?

[03-Aug-2011 11:42:52] <straterra> I have a generic openvpn one and an old view of our VPN server had more openvpn instances than it does now, so its alarming about the missing ones

[03-Aug-2011 11:45:14] <Hackman238> straterra: You'll need to go remove them individually

[03-Aug-2011 11:45:50] <Hackman238> straterra: Its possible to script a zendmd solution, but it might be just as fast to go and clear them out if there arent many devices

[03-Aug-2011 11:48:33] <straterra> Alright

[03-Aug-2011 11:49:35] <straterra> And if there are new openvpn instances, I need to remodel the device, correct?

[03-Aug-2011 11:49:42] <Hackman238> straterra: Correct

[03-Aug-2011 11:49:49] <Hackman238> straterra: You can mass remodel if you like

[03-Aug-2011 11:50:24] <Hackman238> straterra: su zenoss; zenmodeller run now --path="/Your Device Class Path"

[03-Aug-2011 11:53:30] <straterra> Aha, sweet

[03-Aug-2011 11:55:24] <Hackman238> straterra: dont work hard, work smart

[03-Aug-2011 11:58:46] <JohnnyNOC> is there a way to update the zCollectorClientTimeout for an entire collector?

[03-Aug-2011 11:58:51] <JohnnyNOC> or does it have to be done per device

[03-Aug-2011 11:58:52] <JohnnyNOC> :/

[03-Aug-2011 11:59:24] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Change the zCollectorCleintTimeout on the device class containing the devices

[03-Aug-2011 11:59:36] <JohnnyNOC> ooooh

[03-Aug-2011 11:59:38] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Try to avoid changing zProperties on individual devices

[03-Aug-2011 11:59:38] <JohnnyNOC> nice

[03-Aug-2011 11:59:45] <JohnnyNOC> thanks for the tip

[03-Aug-2011 11:59:51] <straterra> Wow...Zenoss is running extremely slowly :/

[03-Aug-2011 11:59:55] <straterra> Might be time for an upgrade

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[03-Aug-2011 12:00:25] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 no i won't!  cuz i'll be adding them as new in my new setup!

[03-Aug-2011 12:00:26] <JohnnyNOC>

[03-Aug-2011 12:00:35] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Ah nice

[03-Aug-2011 12:00:41] <JohnnyNOC>

[03-Aug-2011 12:00:46] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Never change props on a device unless you have no choice

[03-Aug-2011 12:00:50] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC:

[03-Aug-2011 12:01:00] <Hackman238> straterra: Lets tune some stuff

[03-Aug-2011 12:01:02] <JohnnyNOC> thanks for the suggestion..  i've certainly been doing some of that

[03-Aug-2011 12:01:25] <Hackman238> straterra: first, as zenoss, ls -lh $ZENHOME/var/Data.fs

[03-Aug-2011 12:01:28] <Hackman238> straterra: What size?

[03-Aug-2011 12:02:17] <straterra> That doesn't exist o.O

[03-Aug-2011 12:02:34] <straterra> That file is 83 megs

[03-Aug-2011 12:02:46] <Hackman238> straterra: Doesnt exist?

[03-Aug-2011 12:03:14] <Hackman238> straterra: Okay, 83 mb. vi /opt/zenoss/etc/zope.conf

[03-Aug-2011 12:03:17] <straterra> $ZENHOME wasn't defined. I was running as root

[03-Aug-2011 12:03:23] <Hackman238> straterra: Ah gotcha

[03-Aug-2011 12:03:50] <Hackman238> straterra: How many users at once will use zenoss?

[03-Aug-2011 12:04:23] <straterra> maybe..4, max

[03-Aug-2011 12:04:36] <Hackman238> straterra: Ok. in vi, /<zodb_db main>

[03-Aug-2011 12:04:47] <straterra> I'm there

[03-Aug-2011 12:04:48] <Hackman238> straterra: Should be around line 910

[03-Aug-2011 12:05:23] <Hackman238> straterra: under <zeoclient> add a new line, and add cache-size 10000

[03-Aug-2011 12:05:37] <Hackman238> straterra: If cache-size does not exist there

[03-Aug-2011 12:05:47] <straterra> It's set at 20MB currently

[03-Aug-2011 12:06:05] <Hackman238> straterra: wait, my bad, I mean under mount-point

[03-Aug-2011 12:06:25] <straterra> It's set to 5000 there

[03-Aug-2011 12:06:32] <Hackman238> straterra: cache-size under zeoclient change 20MB to 250MB

[03-Aug-2011 12:06:43] <Hackman238> straterra: change 5000 to 10000

[03-Aug-2011 12:07:09] <straterra> all done

[03-Aug-2011 12:08:28] <Hackman238> straterra: Alright, :wq

[03-Aug-2011 12:08:33] <Hackman238> straterra: as zenoss, zendmd

[03-Aug-2011 12:08:37] <Hackman238> straterra: paste the following:

[03-Aug-2011 12:08:40] <Hackman238>  import math; from test import pystone; int(math.ceil(sum(s[1] for s \

[03-Aug-2011 12:08:40] <Hackman238>   in (pystone.pystones() for i in range(3)))/150.0))

[03-Aug-2011 12:08:51] <Hackman238> straterra: What number does it return?

[03-Aug-2011 12:09:20] <straterra> 713

[03-Aug-2011 12:09:32] <Hackman238> straterra: If its != 1000, vi /opt/zenoss/etc/zope.conf again

[03-Aug-2011 12:09:42] <Hackman238> straterra: vi: /python-check-interval

[03-Aug-2011 12:10:02] <Hackman238> straterra: Uncomment python-check-interval and set to 715

[03-Aug-2011 12:10:32] <straterra> Alright

[03-Aug-2011 12:10:46] <Hackman238> straterra: :wq it and zopectl restart

[03-Aug-2011 12:11:00] <Hackman238> straterra: Theres also a possability your mysql db is holding you back badly

[03-Aug-2011 12:11:29] <straterra> I wouldn't doubt it

[03-Aug-2011 12:12:10] <Hackman238> straterra: cat and paste /etc/my.cnf

[03-Aug-2011 12:12:26] <straterra> I'll pastebin it

[03-Aug-2011 12:12:40] <twm1010> hrmmm... back to my devices show down, but aren't issue

[03-Aug-2011 12:12:48] <straterra> http://pastebin.com/fUHujwE4

[03-Aug-2011 12:14:28] <Hackman238> straterra: ouch..no opts

[03-Aug-2011 12:14:40] <twm1010> interesting... no logs from zenping in the last 15 minutes

[03-Aug-2011 12:14:41] <Hackman238> twm1010: Have a netscreen?

[03-Aug-2011 12:14:55] <twm1010> @Hackman238 Juniper SRXs

[03-Aug-2011 12:15:19] <Hackman238> twm1010: zenping being down will definately cause devices statuses to fail to update and fail to create events

[03-Aug-2011 12:15:29] <twm1010> zenping shows running

[03-Aug-2011 12:15:35] <Hackman238> twm1010: As a test, as zenoss, zenping run now -v 10

[03-Aug-2011 12:15:41] <twm1010> k

[03-Aug-2011 12:18:26] <twm1010> output: http://pastebin.com/DN0fhPcH

[03-Aug-2011 12:18:40] <twm1010> so i see it creating clear events

[03-Aug-2011 12:19:24] <Hackman238> straterra: save your /etc/my.cnf as a back up, service mysqld stop, create a new /etc/my.cnf using http://pastebin.com/0d2PCQFv

[03-Aug-2011 12:20:19] <Hackman238> straterra: then cd /var/lib/mysql and rm ib_log* and serviec mysqld start

[03-Aug-2011 12:20:23] <Hackman238> straterra: Does mysqld start?

[03-Aug-2011 12:21:09] <Hackman238> twm1010: zenping stop and ps aux | grep zenping

[03-Aug-2011 12:21:16] <Hackman238> twm1010: did zenping stop?

[03-Aug-2011 12:21:25] <straterra> Hackman238: I'm waiting on the init script to return

[03-Aug-2011 12:21:33] <straterra> it started

[03-Aug-2011 12:21:50] <Hackman238> straterra: We might need to futz with it...my configs are for crazy large sql bases

[03-Aug-2011 12:22:12] <Hackman238> straterra: ...I cache almost 64GB of SQL data

[03-Aug-2011 12:22:24] <Hackman238> straterra: do a service mysqld restart

[03-Aug-2011 12:22:32] <Hackman238> straterra: did it stop and start again ok?

[03-Aug-2011 12:23:08] <straterra> wow..64 gig database for zenoss?

[03-Aug-2011 12:23:14] <straterra> it restarted fine

[03-Aug-2011 12:23:32] <Hackman238> straterra: If yes, su zenoss; zopectl stop; zenhub stop; zenmodeler stop; zopectl start; zenhub start; zenmodeler start

[03-Aug-2011 12:23:41] <twm1010> hrmm.. no, zenping did not stop

[03-Aug-2011 12:23:48] <Hackman238> straterra: Oh no, its way huge...we cache that much of it in ram though

[03-Aug-2011 12:23:57] <Hackman238> twm1010: Okay kill -9 that puppy

[03-Aug-2011 12:24:10] <Hackman238> straterra: almost 500GB now

[03-Aug-2011 12:24:16] <Hackman238> *face palm*

[03-Aug-2011 12:24:18] <Hackman238> LOL

[03-Aug-2011 12:24:34] <straterra> alright, all restarted

[03-Aug-2011 12:24:56] <twm1010> k, stopped

[03-Aug-2011 12:25:02] <Hackman238> straterra: alrighty, test it out. it should be better, but you'll undoubly need an upgrade soon.

[03-Aug-2011 12:25:22] <straterra> I'll test it out..this new interface is much different..I can't find where to change a device's location

[03-Aug-2011 12:25:31] <twm1010> straterra: click and drag

[03-Aug-2011 12:25:46] <Hackman238> straterra: To give you an idea of scale, my boxes have 128GB of RAM, RAID 10's of SSD disk and fusion io drives and 24 cores

[03-Aug-2011 12:26:16] <straterra> ooh, big scale

[03-Aug-2011 12:26:20] <Hackman238> straterra: Fro your purposes I'd try to aim for 4-8GB of ram and a RAID 10. The CPU will hurt performance, but its the last thing you really need to upgrade

[03-Aug-2011 12:26:46] <twm1010> FusionIO is niiiiice

[03-Aug-2011 12:26:47] <Hackman238> twm1010: Once zenping is dead resurect it with zenping start

[03-Aug-2011 12:26:50] <straterra> This server won't support that..I'll manage to toss something together

[03-Aug-2011 12:26:59] <Hackman238> straterra:

[03-Aug-2011 12:27:38] <twm1010> hrmmm... so what happens there? the verbose output showed it trying to queue clear events before the restart

[03-Aug-2011 12:27:53] <twm1010> it even says it succeeded

[03-Aug-2011 12:28:31] <Hackman238> twm1010: The other dead process was probably causing issues

[03-Aug-2011 12:28:45] <Hackman238> twm1010: Give zenping 15 min or so before we judge if its working

[03-Aug-2011 12:28:56] <twm1010> k, i'll bounce a device as well

[03-Aug-2011 12:29:08] <twm1010> after 15 minutes has passed

[03-Aug-2011 12:29:33] <Hackman238> twm1010: if you cant bounce a device can always toss in a iptable rule to deny icmp

[03-Aug-2011 12:29:40] <Hackman238> twm1010: (on a target)

[03-Aug-2011 12:30:05] <twm1010> you're right that's easier i can just disable the icmp allow on the firewall being monitored

[03-Aug-2011 12:30:14] <Hackman238> twm1010: Good idea

[03-Aug-2011 12:30:58] <twm1010> heh... i love serverfault

[03-Aug-2011 12:30:59] <twm1010> http://serverfault.com/questions/293217/our-security-auditor-is-an-idiot-how-do-i-give-him-the-information-he-wants

[03-Aug-2011 12:31:31] <straterra> Hmm..one of my devices doesn't have CPU graphs. I mean..at all. Graphs is blank, and there are no graphs for the cpu cores when under components -> processors

[03-Aug-2011 12:31:44] <twm1010> what kind of device?

[03-Aug-2011 12:32:00] <Hackman238> twm1010: YIKES! clean text passwords LOL

[03-Aug-2011 12:32:09] <straterra> twm1010: generic linux server

[03-Aug-2011 12:32:41] <Hackman238> straterra: as zenoss, zenperfsnmp run now -v10 -d {problem device}

[03-Aug-2011 12:32:57] <Hackman238> straterra: It'll tell you how many oids were a win or fail

[03-Aug-2011 12:34:04] <straterra> http://pastebin.com/c8p8SuTL

[03-Aug-2011 12:34:37] <straterra> Funny..under the 'unresponsive devices' is this host..kinda. It used to be named erp01.twtc.marianinc.com, but got renamed

[03-Aug-2011 12:35:30] <Hackman238> straterra: LOL

[03-Aug-2011 12:36:12] <straterra> I'm missing something simple...aren't I?

[03-Aug-2011 12:37:12] <Hackman238> straterra: Fetched 0 configs

[03-Aug-2011 12:37:22] <straterra> what the hell

[03-Aug-2011 12:37:40] <twm1010> Hackman238: thanks for your help! see you another time

[03-Aug-2011 12:37:41] <Hackman238> straterra: try putting the device name in ' '

[03-Aug-2011 12:37:46] <Hackman238> twm1010: NP.

[03-Aug-2011 12:38:01] <Hackman238> straterra: It can be many things causing that

[03-Aug-2011 12:38:05] <straterra> same thing

[03-Aug-2011 12:38:11] <straterra> Like I said, I just renamed it too

[03-Aug-2011 12:38:33] <Hackman238> straterra: Hum.

[03-Aug-2011 12:39:01] <Hackman238> straterra: run the whole command again leaning off -d and the device

[03-Aug-2011 12:39:14] <Hackman238> straterra: in the scrollback grep for the device

[03-Aug-2011 12:40:04] <straterra> heh..grep got ignored

[03-Aug-2011 12:40:24] <straterra> that's fine though..I'll pipe it to less and just search

[03-Aug-2011 12:44:24] <straterra> the new name wasn't output at all

[03-Aug-2011 12:44:33] <straterra> But the old name was

[03-Aug-2011 12:44:52] <Hackman238> straterra: Something funny with that device. You might try to move it to a new device class and back again

[03-Aug-2011 12:45:12] <Hackman238> straterra: Then retest zenperfsnmp

[03-Aug-2011 12:45:13] <straterra> Could I just delete it and re-add it?

[03-Aug-2011 12:45:24] <Hackman238> straterra: If thats an option, yes

[03-Aug-2011 12:45:25] <straterra> I don't care really about the historical graphs or anything

[03-Aug-2011 12:54:03] <straterra> There are still no graphs under "Graphs" for the device

[03-Aug-2011 12:54:08] <straterra> I wonder if my group is messed up or something

[03-Aug-2011 12:56:29] <Hackman238> straterra: It sounds like its a possability

[03-Aug-2011 12:56:49] <Hackman238> straterra: Still the case after you removed and readded it to /devices/server/linux?

[03-Aug-2011 12:58:21] <straterra> I have a custom group under that. I moved the device out of that to devices/server/linux and all is well

[03-Aug-2011 12:59:09] <Hackman238> straterra: Sounds like your customd device class has a problem. try deleting the device and readding it to /server/linux

[03-Aug-2011 13:06:20] <straterra> Hackman238: how easy is it to move this install to another server?

[03-Aug-2011 13:07:49] <Hackman238> straterra: Very easy. On the target install the same OS on teh same arc (32/64)

[03-Aug-2011 13:08:12] <Hackman238> straterra: Then yum localinstall {zenoss 3.1}.rpm --nogpg -y

[03-Aug-2011 13:08:21] <Hackman238> straterra: That will install zenoss and its deps

[03-Aug-2011 13:08:30] <Hackman238> straterra: as root, service zenoss start

[03-Aug-2011 13:08:35] <straterra> Ah, ok..are there any goals to target RHEL6 in the future?

[03-Aug-2011 13:08:47] <Hackman238> straterra: Once its done, stop it and copy a tar ball backup of your production copy over to the new box

[03-Aug-2011 13:08:59] <Hackman238> straterra: There are, but not ASAP

[03-Aug-2011 13:09:11] <Hackman238> straterra: It can be made to work but its not friendly yet

[03-Aug-2011 13:09:14] <straterra> Ah, ok then. That makes life easier

[03-Aug-2011 13:09:18] <straterra> I'll just wait

[03-Aug-2011 13:09:24] <Hackman238> straterra: LOL gotcha

[03-Aug-2011 13:10:18] <Hackman238> Anyone know where I can buy extended temp hard drives?

[03-Aug-2011 13:10:29] <straterra> temp?

[03-Aug-2011 13:11:35] <Hackman238> straterra: temperature

[03-Aug-2011 13:11:39] <straterra> oooh

[03-Aug-2011 13:12:00] <Hackman238> straterra: Texas heat really taking a toll on my car pc systems LOL

[03-Aug-2011 13:12:41] <straterra> I have a rack shut down in Fort Worth because the building housing it lost its AC

[03-Aug-2011 13:13:27] <straterra> Why not move to a cheap, slow-ish SSD? Those tend to handle the heat better

[03-Aug-2011 13:13:50] <straterra> And you could always get some thermal transfer tape and slap a honking big heatsink on it

[03-Aug-2011 13:13:57] <Hackman238> straterra: Had too many fail in the heat already

[03-Aug-2011 13:14:41] <straterra> Darn

[03-Aug-2011 13:14:41] <Hackman238> straterra: Thats what I do now except its watercooling for the systems and a thermoelectric radiator to dump the heat in to the cars ac ducting

[03-Aug-2011 13:15:19] <straterra> What about a pair of small fans in a push/pull layout that runs off of a small solar panel or something (so it doesnt drain the car battery), running 24/7 ?

[03-Aug-2011 13:15:37] <straterra> and by small I mean 80mm

[03-Aug-2011 13:16:04] <Hackman238> straterra: Already have thermoelectric/solar trickle charging for front and rear active cooling...still not doing it

[03-Aug-2011 13:16:22] <Hackman238> straterra: Way hotter in San Antonio than in San Diego or Upstate NY

[03-Aug-2011 13:16:25] <straterra> jeez

[03-Aug-2011 13:16:33] <Hackman238> straterra: Its killing me LOL

[03-Aug-2011 13:16:42] <Hackman238> straterra: I need to tint my windows yet

[03-Aug-2011 13:16:51] <straterra> Make it easily ejectable..and just disconnect/reconnect when you leave your car

[03-Aug-2011 13:17:01] <straterra> If you make it a 2.5" SSD, that should fit in your pocket easily

[03-Aug-2011 13:17:02] <Hackman238> straterra: That should help, but I was hoping to swap in more resiliant h/w

[03-Aug-2011 13:17:09] <straterra> Yeah

[03-Aug-2011 13:17:33] <Hackman238> straterra: No dice, system runs in low power mode...pc's always on

[03-Aug-2011 13:17:47] <Hackman238> straterra: I havent had a CPU meltdown yet

[03-Aug-2011 13:17:51] <straterra> "yet"

[03-Aug-2011 13:18:14] <Hackman238> straterra: Yep. fortunately my Opteron LE's run pretty cool

[03-Aug-2011 13:18:34] <Hackman238> straterra: also have a death temp of 68 deg C, almost impossibly high

[03-Aug-2011 13:18:49] <straterra> 68 is pretty high for a CPU

[03-Aug-2011 13:19:00] <Hackman238> straterra: thats why I jumped on them

[03-Aug-2011 13:19:09] <Hackman238> straterra: I did have a fan met on me up front

[03-Aug-2011 13:19:10] <straterra> Do I need to do any special config to make Zenoss accept snmp traps?

[03-Aug-2011 13:19:38] <Hackman238> straterra: One of the blades deformed and blew off during violent occsilation

[03-Aug-2011 13:19:48] <straterra> Besides the transforming

[03-Aug-2011 13:19:55] <Hackman238> straterra: zentrap must be running and the firewall open to port 162

[03-Aug-2011 13:23:03] <straterra> Hmm..don't I need to set up a username/password/community or something in Zenoss to receive the traps?

[03-Aug-2011 13:28:51] <Hackman238> straterra: You'll need to point the trap senders to zenoss as the trap sink.

[03-Aug-2011 13:29:12] <straterra> Right, but ESX wants a username/password to pass too

[03-Aug-2011 13:29:16] <Hackman238> straterra: I dont know how to do trap snmp auth. I dont think snmp v3 traps are supported either.

[03-Aug-2011 13:29:24] <straterra> hm

[03-Aug-2011 13:29:39] <Hackman238> klone: Any idea about this?

[03-Aug-2011 13:31:56] <straterra> Ah, ok..I see where I was confused. the username/password are for ESX. I just use the public community, right?

[03-Aug-2011 13:32:12] <Hackman238> straterra: yeah

[03-Aug-2011 13:40:24] <Hackman238> straterra: Zenoss running better?

[03-Aug-2011 13:42:51] <straterra> Hackman238: a fair bit, yes

[03-Aug-2011 13:42:57] <straterra> The web interface is a bit more responsive anyway

[03-Aug-2011 13:43:52] <straterra> yay, snmp received by zenoss

[03-Aug-2011 13:44:03] <Hackman238> straterra: Nice

[03-Aug-2011 13:44:23] <straterra> Now to map it somehow

[03-Aug-2011 13:44:44] <straterra> Surely there is a zenpack or something for the common things like..a power supply alert or something

[03-Aug-2011 13:44:55] <Hackman238> straterra: There isnt, but thats a good diea

[03-Aug-2011 13:44:57] <Hackman238> *idea

[03-Aug-2011 13:45:21] <straterra> Hmm..but to capture that data, don't I have to generate every single possible trap and map it?

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[03-Aug-2011 13:52:56] <Hackman238> straterra: Thats how I've done it, but theres got to be a better way

[03-Aug-2011 13:53:39] <straterra> I'm sure there is.

[03-Aug-2011 13:53:45] <straterra> ESX has a MIB pack of all of its traps

[03-Aug-2011 13:54:28] <straterra> I'm reading instructions that tell me to put the mib files in /opt/zenoss/share/mibs/sites and run zenmib run * while inside of that directory

[03-Aug-2011 13:55:38] <jb> erm

[03-Aug-2011 13:55:46] <jb> where do I change the collector for a specific device?

[03-Aug-2011 14:04:59] <Hackman238> jb: which version of zenoss

[03-Aug-2011 14:05:08] <Hackman238> straterra: Yeah mibs are touchy under zenoss

[03-Aug-2011 14:21:19] <jb> Hackman238: 3

[03-Aug-2011 14:26:48] <Hackman238> jb: on the infrastructure tab, looking in the device class containing the device, select the device and click the drop down 'actions' near the top right

[03-Aug-2011 14:36:25] <Hackman238> jb: Last name != benson?

[03-Aug-2011 14:36:58] <jb> nope, baird.

[03-Aug-2011 14:37:36] <Hackman238> jb: Ah. For some reason I recall your irc name

[03-Aug-2011 14:48:01] <Hackman238> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc

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[03-Aug-2011 15:49:06] <JohnnyNOC> anyone here have experience creating custom device reports in zenoss 3?

[03-Aug-2011 16:08:24] <JohnnyNOC> i'd like to create a report of devices and events..  specifically trying to put a report together of what hardware broke in a week for example

[03-Aug-2011 16:08:30] <JohnnyNOC> didn't realize it was going to be this difficult!

[03-Aug-2011 16:08:31] <JohnnyNOC> hah

[03-Aug-2011 16:09:03] <JohnnyNOC> seems like i don't have much visibility into events

[03-Aug-2011 16:24:06] <JohnnyNOC> this was helpful: for e in dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventList():

[03-Aug-2011 16:24:34] <bender183> cool JohnnyNOC

[03-Aug-2011 16:24:40] <bender183> ill make a note of it

[03-Aug-2011 16:25:31] <JohnnyNOC> oh, ok

[03-Aug-2011 16:25:34] <JohnnyNOC>

[03-Aug-2011 16:25:50] <JohnnyNOC> not sure it's going to help in my endeavor with respect to a report but i had never iterated through the events like that

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[03-Aug-2011 18:28:16] <AndrewC> Anyone have experience getting Windows to report WMI correctly for the Windows Services to show up?

[03-Aug-2011 18:28:35] <AndrewC> I've got a bunch of servers that refuse to communicate WMI correctly for what seems like no reason

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[04-Aug-2011 05:32:51] <tsener> hmm somekinda maintanance on the community website ?

[04-Aug-2011 06:41:48] <luizzmizz> hi

[04-Aug-2011 06:42:12] <luizzmizz> i'm trying to get the description of a device via zendmd...

[04-Aug-2011 06:43:13] <luizzmizz> could anyone tell me if it's an attribute of the Device? in that case, it would be retrieved as d.getAttribute('Desc')?

[04-Aug-2011 06:45:45] <luizzmizz> dow!

[04-Aug-2011 06:45:52] <luizzmizz> i meant comments, sorry

[04-Aug-2011 08:27:30] <jmp242> Morning all

[04-Aug-2011 08:46:52] <Hackman238> Morning all!

[04-Aug-2011 08:47:46] <JohnnyNOC> morning hackman238

[04-Aug-2011 08:47:48] <JohnnyNOC> and jmp242

[04-Aug-2011 09:31:04] <Exdaix> Hey rmatte are you awake yet? It's "AndrewC" from the last few days.  I've got a question on using the Formula Data Source ZenPack

[04-Aug-2011 09:31:25] <Exdaix> I jsut installed it and I don't see the Data Formula field as per the screenshots on the ZenPAck webpage

[04-Aug-2011 09:54:21] <mennie> I hate this Event Command feature because it keeps giving me error messages like  LocationError: (None, 'name')

[04-Aug-2011 09:55:34] <squig> im trying to determine why a machine that is up is being marked down

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[04-Aug-2011 10:14:24] <squig> does any one else have an issue where linux/snmp cpu stats are not being normalized back to 100%

[04-Aug-2011 10:21:21] <Exdaix> rmatte: nevermind, rebooted the server and that fixed it.

[04-Aug-2011 10:36:38] <nyeates> echo, echo

[04-Aug-2011 10:37:09] <jgartman> bravo, delta

[04-Aug-2011 10:54:50] <rmatte> Exdaix: any time to install a ZenPack you should restart Zenoss... stop rebooting the server, that's completely unnecessary lol

[04-Aug-2011 10:54:57] <rmatte> Linux rarely ever needs to be rebooted

[04-Aug-2011 10:55:10] <rmatte> You need to become root on the server, then do su - zenoss

[04-Aug-2011 10:55:20] <rmatte> or you can use sudo, at which point the command would be: sudo su - zenoss

[04-Aug-2011 10:55:24] <rmatte> which makes you the zenoss user

[04-Aug-2011 10:55:30] <rmatte> then you can do zopectl restart

[04-Aug-2011 10:55:38] <rmatte> which will restart zope and refresh any items

[04-Aug-2011 10:55:42] <rmatte> or you can do zenoss stop

[04-Aug-2011 10:55:50] <rmatte> then zenoss status to make sure everything stopped properly

[04-Aug-2011 10:55:56] <rmatte> then zenoss start to bring it all back up

[04-Aug-2011 10:56:01] <nyeates> rmatte: was it you with the custom report problems a bit ago?

[04-Aug-2011 10:56:34] <rmatte> nyeates: yes, but I ended up modifying the ZenPack to allow aliases to be added for that datasource type under Zenoss 2.5

[04-Aug-2011 10:56:51] <rmatte> I know that Kells came up with a working solution which should make it in to 3.2

[04-Aug-2011 10:56:57] <nyeates> ahhhh, Hackman was on the money!

[04-Aug-2011 10:57:10] <rmatte> I was pretty sure that he was...

[04-Aug-2011 10:57:36] <rmatte> but yeh, it still needs to be patched

[04-Aug-2011 10:57:46] <rmatte> it's an unnecessary limitation

[04-Aug-2011 10:57:55] <rmatte> apart from that, I love the new way that reports are written

[04-Aug-2011 10:57:59] <rmatte> way simpler than it was before

[04-Aug-2011 10:58:12] <rmatte> (for RRD/device property reports anyways)

[04-Aug-2011 10:58:37] <nyeates> cool - looking for your thread

[04-Aug-2011 10:58:54] <rmatte> Kells said that he had already opened a trac ticket for it and included a fix in the ticket

[04-Aug-2011 10:59:06] <nyeates> OH BTW all....this AM we updated Jive community.zenoss.org.... ive noticed a few small changes. Let me know if you have any issues

[04-Aug-2011 10:59:14] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 11:01:01] <nyeates> Hi xuru

[04-Aug-2011 11:01:06] <xuru> morning

[04-Aug-2011 11:02:03] <xuru> I'm really interested (or rather my boss) about having an uptime report

[04-Aug-2011 11:02:31] <nyeates> oh sweet rmatte, i see kells respons on yer thread now....glad everyone pitched in to help you

[04-Aug-2011 11:03:36] <rmatte> yeh, it's always nice to see

[04-Aug-2011 11:04:19] <rmatte> xuru: an uptime report would be fairly easy to do

[04-Aug-2011 11:04:20] <nyeates> xuru: im looking now for an uptime report in community.... anyone else?

[04-Aug-2011 11:04:40] <nyeates> rmatte: you have that dmd script that does that too right

[04-Aug-2011 11:04:47] <rmatte> nyeates: there probably isn't one but it would be braindead simple to do

[04-Aug-2011 11:04:49] <rmatte> yeh I do

[04-Aug-2011 11:04:54] <xuru> rmatte: I would love to see one

[04-Aug-2011 11:05:03] <jmp242> ohhh, Dev meeting today

[04-Aug-2011 11:05:19] <rmatte> xuru: does it matter if it's actually in the Zenoss interface, or would a stand-alone script work for you?

[04-Aug-2011 11:05:56] <nyeates> jmp242: Yes - Dev meeting officially started....weve got devs in room, so ask away

[04-Aug-2011 11:05:58] <xuru> rmatte: It would be better in the interface (for the CTO to see) but I'll take antyhing

[04-Aug-2011 11:06:21] <rmatte> k, let me see what I can do.

[04-Aug-2011 11:07:02] <JohnnyNOC> anyone having problems with the forums?  i don't see a login button

[04-Aug-2011 11:07:03] <JohnnyNOC> :[

[04-Aug-2011 11:07:07] <rmatte> hmmm, this might be easier than I thought...

[04-Aug-2011 11:07:31] <rmatte> give me 2 minutes to test then I'll walk you through creating one

[04-Aug-2011 11:07:56] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: they are updating Jive this morning

[04-Aug-2011 11:07:56] <xuru> rmatte: wow, sweet

[04-Aug-2011 11:08:00] <rmatte> let Nick know about the issue

[04-Aug-2011 11:08:02] <nyeates> JohnnyNOC: community.zenoss.org was upgraded last night....there are weirdnesses for a bit

[04-Aug-2011 11:08:23] <nyeates> first thing I inquired about is the login issue :-)

[04-Aug-2011 11:08:26] <JohnnyNOC> ok cool

[04-Aug-2011 11:08:38] <JohnnyNOC> i posted a question yesterday about a custom device report I Wanted to ask about

[04-Aug-2011 11:09:03] <JohnnyNOC> basically i have a bit of code i can use in zend to give me what i'm looking for..  but haven't been able to figure out an equivalent to use in the 'query' field

[04-Aug-2011 11:09:21] <JohnnyNOC> i'm just trying to list every event with a specific event class, then print the device, component, summary , etc.

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[04-Aug-2011 11:09:51] <JohnnyNOC> is this something i should be able to do?

[04-Aug-2011 11:10:07] <xuru> I keep getting the event "Windows service 'LnrRetrSvc' is stopped" from zenwin (and about two others on that box) even though the services are running.  How do I debug this issue?

[04-Aug-2011 11:10:33] <xuru> hey ptmcg

[04-Aug-2011 11:10:46] <JohnnyNOC> message/60451

[04-Aug-2011 11:10:55] <ptmcg> hello xuru

[04-Aug-2011 11:11:02] <rmatte> xuru: you've remodeled I assume?

[04-Aug-2011 11:11:09] <xuru> yeah

[04-Aug-2011 11:11:17] <rmatte> xuru: have you tried restarting zenwin?

[04-Aug-2011 11:11:26] <xuru> yep

[04-Aug-2011 11:11:39] <rmatte> the next thing I'd suggest is a reindex() and a commit()

[04-Aug-2011 11:11:49] <nyeates> rmatte: if you do an uptime report, make sure to send it at me or the forums - there are quite a few requests and no solution i see

[04-Aug-2011 11:11:51] <xuru> ok, I'll give that a try

[04-Aug-2011 11:11:56] <rmatte> (that has fixed similar issues for me in the past)

[04-Aug-2011 11:12:13] <rmatte> nyeates: well, I'm seeing if I can make one just using the custom report interface

[04-Aug-2011 11:12:23] <rmatte> but it may not be possible if there's no "get" function for it

[04-Aug-2011 11:12:42] <rmatte> there's the uptimeStr() function, but it doesn't like that

[04-Aug-2011 11:14:42] <JohnnyNOC> nobody knows how to create a custom event report?

[04-Aug-2011 11:14:44] <JohnnyNOC>

[04-Aug-2011 11:14:48] <xuru> Also, in the month of july I got 28 of these critical alerts: Event: 'disk space threshold: 141.9% used (-2.1GB free)'

[04-Aug-2011 11:15:07] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: when I need dumps like what you're describing I just write a custom dmd script to do it

[04-Aug-2011 11:15:18] <rmatte> or do a MySQL query

[04-Aug-2011 11:15:31] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte i'm trying to avoid that but will go that route if necessary

[04-Aug-2011 11:15:58] <JohnnyNOC> but why can't a simply create a report of a specific eventclass?

[04-Aug-2011 11:16:02] <rmatte> either way, if the event console filters aren't cutting it for you, then development work is your only option

[04-Aug-2011 11:16:13] <nyeates> any dev had a sec to look at JohnnyNOCs message/60451 ??

[04-Aug-2011 11:16:27] <JohnnyNOC> for example, i'm using TALES event attributes such as eventClass

[04-Aug-2011 11:16:39] <JohnnyNOC> but it says eventClass is not defined

[04-Aug-2011 11:16:59] <nyeates> Johhny: you are trying to create a UI report to show event details? is this right?

[04-Aug-2011 11:17:01] <JohnnyNOC> how can i simply get every event of a specific event class?  that's all iw ant to start

[04-Aug-2011 11:17:03] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates yes

[04-Aug-2011 11:17:14] <JohnnyNOC> i want to know all events of a particular event class just to start, and i can't get that to work

[04-Aug-2011 11:17:35] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: ok, I just saw your question and I have tons of experience working with events...

[04-Aug-2011 11:17:42] <dgarcia_> xuru - i've seen this happen when the device needs to be removed because quota's were change, disk space was added, etc

[04-Aug-2011 11:17:55] <rmatte> is your question actually how to write the report, or is your question whether or not the code you provided will do what you're asking?

[04-Aug-2011 11:18:04] <simonjj> hello all

[04-Aug-2011 11:18:06] <rmatte> all of the reports in the interface are coded

[04-Aug-2011 11:18:12] <simonjj> SDuensin: we have people running net-snmp on windows very successfully

[04-Aug-2011 11:18:13] <JohnnyNOC> well, in my post, i'm saying i want to accomplish with a report, what the little code snippet does

[04-Aug-2011 11:18:32] <JohnnyNOC> show me all the events of a particular eventClass, then tell me e.device, e.component, e.summary, etc.

[04-Aug-2011 11:18:44] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: Have you actually dug in to any of the code for existing reports?

[04-Aug-2011 11:18:47] <JohnnyNOC> but i can't seem to figure out how to get the events in the eventclass

[04-Aug-2011 11:18:59] <simonjj> net-snmp on windows it's very nice because you can do all kinds of scripting and have net-snmp take care of execution... all you do is ask for the results

[04-Aug-2011 11:19:02] <JohnnyNOC> i have yes, but i don't know what is/isn't allowed in the query field when i try to create the report

[04-Aug-2011 11:19:04] <xuru> dgarcia_: well, the box in question is the security cameras server, and hasn't been touched in a long while

[04-Aug-2011 11:19:22] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: ohhhh, you're trying to do it with the "Custom Reports" option, correct?

[04-Aug-2011 11:19:37] <xuru> dgarcia_: but I could try and remove it and re-add it

[04-Aug-2011 11:19:41] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte yes

[04-Aug-2011 11:19:44] <JohnnyNOC> add custom device report

[04-Aug-2011 11:20:05] <simonjj> JohnnyNOC: that's a no go

[04-Aug-2011 11:20:13] <simonjj> at least out-of-box

[04-Aug-2011 11:20:35] <xuru> simonjj: what do you use for snmp software on windows?

[04-Aug-2011 11:20:41] <rmatte> bingo I got uptime report working, and it's braindead simple to do too

[04-Aug-2011 11:20:43] <simonjj> net-snmp

[04-Aug-2011 11:20:56] <rmatte> who was it who wanted the uptime report again?

[04-Aug-2011 11:21:22] <simonjj> it's certainly more involved than the built-in + informant but the capabilities of net-snmp are vastly superior

[04-Aug-2011 11:21:27] <klone> rmatte, it was xuru

[04-Aug-2011 11:21:34] <rmatte> xuru: you still alive?

[04-Aug-2011 11:21:35] <kells> Ahh, yeah, tales won't work in those reports.  But python will work.  IIRC you need to prefix the line with "python:" (no quotes).  Checking....

[04-Aug-2011 11:21:41] <xuru> yes sir

[04-Aug-2011 11:21:41] <rmatte> xuru: I have your solution

[04-Aug-2011 11:21:53] * xuru does a happy dance

[04-Aug-2011 11:21:53] <rmatte> ok, follow my steps...

[04-Aug-2011 11:21:59] <rmatte> go to the reports section

[04-Aug-2011 11:22:09] <rmatte> click on Custom Device Reports

[04-Aug-2011 11:22:13] <xuru> ok

[04-Aug-2011 11:22:21] <rmatte> then select the option to add a new report

[04-Aug-2011 11:22:26] <rmatte> and call it Device Uptime

[04-Aug-2011 11:22:30] <nyeates> JohnnyNOC: maybe you can get at the information you want in a diff way....navigate to the event class you are interested in, then click on 'Events'

[04-Aug-2011 11:22:32] <xuru> I already have one setup

[04-Aug-2011 11:22:39] <nyeates> this gives you a event console just for the events in that event class

[04-Aug-2011 11:22:45] <JohnnyNOC> Note

[04-Aug-2011 11:22:45] <JohnnyNOC> For a complete list of valid options, refer to the information on Device schema in the appendix titled

[04-Aug-2011 11:22:45] <JohnnyNOC> "TALES Expressions."

[04-Aug-2011 11:22:50] <rmatte> xuru: so you just want to add uptime to the existing report?

[04-Aug-2011 11:22:51] <JohnnyNOC> so now you're saying i can't use them?

[04-Aug-2011 11:23:10] <xuru> rmatte: yeah, I have nothing for Query, etc

[04-Aug-2011 11:23:14] <rmatte> ok

[04-Aug-2011 11:23:47] <rmatte> for Columns, put the following...

[04-Aug-2011 11:23:51] <rmatte> getId

[04-Aug-2011 11:23:51] <rmatte> getManageIp

[04-Aug-2011 11:23:51] <rmatte> uptimeStr

[04-Aug-2011 11:24:03] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates i'm trying to create a report..  i can certainly view all of the events of a certain type with the dashboard without any problems

[04-Aug-2011 11:24:04] <rmatte> for Column Names, put the following...

[04-Aug-2011 11:24:05] <rmatte> Device

[04-Aug-2011 11:24:05] <xuru> ok

[04-Aug-2011 11:24:06] <rmatte> IP Address

[04-Aug-2011 11:24:06] <rmatte> Uptime

[04-Aug-2011 11:24:20] <rmatte> for Sort Column, put: uptimeStr

[04-Aug-2011 11:24:25] <rmatte> to sort by uptime by default

[04-Aug-2011 11:24:33] <xuru> ok

[04-Aug-2011 11:24:37] <nyeates> I think the theme for today is reports :-p

[04-Aug-2011 11:24:43] <xuru> hehe

[04-Aug-2011 11:24:48] <SDuensin> Greetings!

[04-Aug-2011 11:25:03] <rmatte> actually nevermind

[04-Aug-2011 11:25:09] <JohnnyNOC> well, for what it's worth, that disappoints me

[04-Aug-2011 11:25:10] <JohnnyNOC> :[

[04-Aug-2011 11:25:13] <rmatte> oh no wait, that's right

[04-Aug-2011 11:25:26] <xuru> nyeates: it would be nice to make reports easier to do.  Some kind of wizard to walk you through a custom report

[04-Aug-2011 11:25:43] <jgartman> JohnnyNOC: I believe kells is checking that TALES comment.

[04-Aug-2011 11:25:53] <rmatte> xuru: they have that, it's called Datacenter Insight and it's an enterprise only feature

[04-Aug-2011 11:26:03] <xuru> ah, bummer

[04-Aug-2011 11:26:04] <JohnnyNOC> jgartman i hope so, i'm patiently waiting

[04-Aug-2011 11:26:20] <rmatte> xuru: anyways, after you've populated the fields like I said you'll have your report

[04-Aug-2011 11:26:36] <xuru> rmatte: what do I put in for the Query?

[04-Aug-2011 11:26:38] <rmatte> for some reason it's refusing to sort by uptime by default for me, but if you click on the column it'll do it

[04-Aug-2011 11:26:46] <rmatte> xuru: leave Query blank

[04-Aug-2011 11:26:50] <xuru> oh

[04-Aug-2011 11:27:08] <xuru> ah, ok

[04-Aug-2011 11:27:15] <xuru> nice

[04-Aug-2011 11:27:22] <kells> In the *body* of a Custom Device report, you can do python if if starts with "python:", but no TALEs.  Python is more powerful, so that's a good thing.

[04-Aug-2011 11:27:37] <JohnnyNOC> what is the body

[04-Aug-2011 11:27:43] <kells> TALES is used in the section to determine which devices to choose

[04-Aug-2011 11:27:55] <nyeates> xuru: reports currently do suck... they were the #2 voted for feature in ZCA survey.... maybe in future a community project will start on it... nothing easier for now though sorry

[04-Aug-2011 11:27:58] <kells> The body of the report is the 'fields' section

[04-Aug-2011 11:28:06] <JohnnyNOC> kells i'm using 3.1.0

[04-Aug-2011 11:28:08] <JohnnyNOC> there is no fields section

[04-Aug-2011 11:28:11] <xuru> so having the query blank means just take each device as it is without filtering anything

[04-Aug-2011 11:28:31] <xuru> nyeates: at least they are aware of it

[04-Aug-2011 11:28:35] <xuru> nyeates: thanks

[04-Aug-2011 11:28:42] <rmatte> nyeates: I plan to write quite a few custom ones in my spare time... I'd be willing to accept suggestions

[04-Aug-2011 11:28:43] <xuru> rmatte: thanks!

[04-Aug-2011 11:28:46] <kells> Sorry, 'Columns'

[04-Aug-2011 11:28:54] <rmatte> I've got the actual report coding down pretty well at this point

[04-Aug-2011 11:29:00] <rmatte> xuru: no problem

[04-Aug-2011 11:29:04] <JohnnyNOC> ok, and I can use python: in the query field?

[04-Aug-2011 11:29:11] <rmatte> nyeates: you saw my simple solution for an uptime report?

[04-Aug-2011 11:29:26] <Hackman238> kells: Hail!

[04-Aug-2011 11:29:33] <Hackman238> nyeates: How goes it?

[04-Aug-2011 11:29:35] <kells> python: "<a href='%s'>%s</a>" % (device.getPrimaryUrlPath(), device.titleOrId())

[04-Aug-2011 11:29:35] <kells> python:device.getPrimaryId().replace('/zport/dmd', '').rsplit('/devices', 1)[0]

[04-Aug-2011 11:29:36] <kells> snmpSysName

[04-Aug-2011 11:29:36] <kells> snmpLocation

[04-Aug-2011 11:29:36] <kells> snmpContact

[04-Aug-2011 11:29:37] <kells> snmpDescr

[04-Aug-2011 11:29:37] <Hackman238> kells: How goes it?

[04-Aug-2011 11:29:43] <xuru> rmatte: a bit harder one...  How about an uptime report that gives a % a machine was up for a specified period?

[04-Aug-2011 11:29:50] <kells> THere's an example columns section

[04-Aug-2011 11:30:09] <kells> The names would be something like "Name, Device Class, SNMP Name, Location, Contact, Description"

[04-Aug-2011 11:30:10] <rmatte> xuru: that's called the availability report

[04-Aug-2011 11:30:43] <rmatte> and it already exists

[04-Aug-2011 11:30:43] <rmatte> lol

[04-Aug-2011 11:30:47] <kells> Hackman238: lief is good

[04-Aug-2011 11:30:48] <JohnnyNOC> kells that is great to know but what about my query

[04-Aug-2011 11:30:50] <xuru> yeah, just noticed that one...  but it doesn't seem to bring anything up for me

[04-Aug-2011 11:31:03] <rmatte> xuru: it's based on ping status of the devices

[04-Aug-2011 11:31:08] <JohnnyNOC> are you saying i can prepend python: in the fields field for the 3 lines of python i pasted here:

[04-Aug-2011 11:31:10] <JohnnyNOC> message/60451#60451

[04-Aug-2011 11:31:16] <JohnnyNOC> er, query field i'm sorry

[04-Aug-2011 11:31:20] <xuru> rmatte: I'll take a look at it again

[04-Aug-2011 11:31:21] <JohnnyNOC> or is it strictly in columns?

[04-Aug-2011 11:31:46] <nyeates> xuru: can you create a forum post on this when you get a chance? Ill paste rmattes solution in for others to use!

[04-Aug-2011 11:31:57] <nyeates> tho.....i think forums are unusable right now

[04-Aug-2011 11:32:06] <rmatte> xuru: what the report does exactly is it scans through the event database for the period looking for ping down events for each devices, then it calculated the amount of time the device spent as down and divides it by the period of time to get the percentage

[04-Aug-2011 11:32:08] <xuru> nyeates: sure

[04-Aug-2011 11:32:23] <rmatte> xuru: it's pretty much the business standard way of doing availability status for devices

[04-Aug-2011 11:32:34] <kells> If you really want to do events, then you'll need to use something rather than a "Custom Device Report"

[04-Aug-2011 11:32:53] <xuru> rmatte: ah, ok, I might have to play around with a custom one...  might have to dig into it's code

[04-Aug-2011 11:32:57] <kells> You'll need to build a report.

[04-Aug-2011 11:32:57] <rmatte> yeh, for events you'd need to actually code a report

[04-Aug-2011 11:33:16] <rmatte> xuru: I don't see why it wouldn't work as is for you

[04-Aug-2011 11:33:18] <JohnnyNOC> ok, thanks.

[04-Aug-2011 11:33:20] <rmatte> makes no sense if it doesn't

[04-Aug-2011 11:33:57] <ptmcg> rmatte: I recently rewrote the Availability Reports logic, there were some pretty glaring holes.  For instance, if a Ping Down was received before the start of the window, and then no more Ping up or down events during the window, the old report would assume 100% up.

[04-Aug-2011 11:34:31] <rmatte> ptmcg: I actually wrote my own stand-alone report a long while back and made the same fixes

[04-Aug-2011 11:34:58] <rmatte> actually hmmmm...

[04-Aug-2011 11:35:06] <rmatte> how is that technically possible though?

[04-Aug-2011 11:35:15] <xuru> yeah, it's never actually worked for me

[04-Aug-2011 11:35:24] <rmatte> you should receive a ping down every cycle until the device comes back up

[04-Aug-2011 11:35:30] <JohnnyNOC> i guess i have a bad attitude

[04-Aug-2011 11:35:54] <xuru> I set it for 1/1/2011 to today and got nothing in the list...  do you have to specify a device?

[04-Aug-2011 11:36:29] <rmatte> xuru: the availability report you mean?

[04-Aug-2011 11:36:36] <xuru> rmatte: yeah

[04-Aug-2011 11:36:47] <rmatte> no, it defaults to running it for every single device for a 7 day period

[04-Aug-2011 11:36:51] <ptmcg> Well, I'm coming from a slightly different control background, so I don't assume events will always get cyclic downs/clears - if that is not an issue in actual practice, then noharm done

[04-Aug-2011 11:37:07] <rmatte> xuru: when you say you're getting 'nothing', you're not even seeing devices?

[04-Aug-2011 11:37:22] <xuru> rmatte: correct.  No devices in the list

[04-Aug-2011 11:37:34] <xuru> rmatte: but it does spin for quiet a while first

[04-Aug-2011 11:37:35] <rmatte> ptmcg: yeh, in the case of Zenoss they do for ping events

[04-Aug-2011 11:37:45] <rmatte> ptmcg: better safe than sorry anyways

[04-Aug-2011 11:37:56] <xuru> I'm talking about Performance Reports > Availability Report

[04-Aug-2011 11:38:04] <rmatte> xuru: so am I

[04-Aug-2011 11:38:11] <rmatte> I've never had issues with that report, it always works

[04-Aug-2011 11:38:31] <xuru> Performance Reports > Availability > Availability Report per Collection seems to work

[04-Aug-2011 11:38:48] <rmatte> per collection?

[04-Aug-2011 11:38:52] <nyeates> xuru: what version zenoss you on?

[04-Aug-2011 11:38:55] <rmatte> it sounds like they've changed it a lot

[04-Aug-2011 11:38:58] themactech_ is now known as themactech

[04-Aug-2011 11:39:00] <nyeates> I saw issues with it in old version of Z

[04-Aug-2011 11:39:24] <rmatte> xuru: you running 3.1?

[04-Aug-2011 11:39:28] <xuru> Version: 3.1.0-0

[04-Aug-2011 11:39:38] <nyeates> huh

[04-Aug-2011 11:39:40] <rmatte> ok, I'm loading up my 3.1 box to try

[04-Aug-2011 11:40:10] <rmatte> xuru: is that enterprise Zenoss?

[04-Aug-2011 11:40:11] <xuru> is there a way to see what report comes from what zenpack?

[04-Aug-2011 11:40:15] <xuru> rmatte: no

[04-Aug-2011 11:40:25] <xuru> we can't afford that

[04-Aug-2011 11:40:27] <rmatte> I don't even have "Availability Report per Collection" on mine

[04-Aug-2011 11:40:34] <rmatte> not sure what you're talking about

[04-Aug-2011 11:40:39] <xuru> It might be from a zenpack

[04-Aug-2011 11:41:08] <xuru> ZenPacks.community.AvailabilityReportPerCollection

[04-Aug-2011 11:41:11] <xuru> yeah

[04-Aug-2011 11:41:26] <xuru> Jane Curry

[04-Aug-2011 11:41:32] <rmatte> I just ran the regular availability report on my 3.1 box and it worked like a charm

[04-Aug-2011 11:41:34] <xuru> my hero

[04-Aug-2011 11:42:00] <rmatte> you'd need to do some debugging to figure out where it's tripping up

[04-Aug-2011 11:42:14] <xuru> cure

[04-Aug-2011 11:42:17] <xuru> err sure

[04-Aug-2011 11:42:39] <jmp242> is the forum mailing list now supposed to be that huge / distracting HTML stuff

[04-Aug-2011 11:43:51] <xuru> I think the biggest issue that I face right now is the false alarms for the disk space

[04-Aug-2011 11:44:06] <xuru> the whole crying wolf thing

[04-Aug-2011 11:44:07] <rmatte> false alarm in what sense?

[04-Aug-2011 11:44:24] <xuru> disk space threshold: 141.9% used (-2.1GB free)

[04-Aug-2011 11:44:33] <rmatte> sounds like you need to remodel the device

[04-Aug-2011 11:44:38] <rmatte> what kind of device is that?

[04-Aug-2011 11:44:40] <xuru> then a half hour later, it clears

[04-Aug-2011 11:45:15] <xuru> windows 2003 I think

[04-Aug-2011 11:45:21] <xuru> yeah

[04-Aug-2011 11:45:32] <rmatte> does someone perhaps plug/unplug a usb filesystem from it often?

[04-Aug-2011 11:45:53] <rmatte> or does some filesystem mount/dismount regularly?

[04-Aug-2011 11:45:55] <JohnnyNOC> xuru i had/have that problem and it seemed to be related to the collector plugins being used

[04-Aug-2011 11:45:58] <xuru> no, like I said, it's for the security cameras, and never gets touched

[04-Aug-2011 11:46:11] <straterra> Does it get mounted/unmounted?

[04-Aug-2011 11:46:13] <xuru> JohnnyNOC: ah, could be

[04-Aug-2011 11:46:17] <JohnnyNOC> for example, i had multiple collector plugins trying to calculate those values

[04-Aug-2011 11:46:31] <xuru> no, it uses a SAN and doesn't get mounted/unmounted

[04-Aug-2011 11:46:49] <rmatte> "collector plugins" are actually modeler plugins, they are only used when modelling

[04-Aug-2011 11:46:56] <rmatte> templates are used for the actual collection

[04-Aug-2011 11:47:57] <xuru> it would be nice to be able to set the modelers at a tree level, and force that down the tree

[04-Aug-2011 11:48:22] <rmatte> you can set them at a device class level

[04-Aug-2011 11:48:26] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte you are correct, but if you model your device incorrectly then ...

[04-Aug-2011 11:48:35] <rmatte> you shouldn't be setting them at a device level, it'll get very messy very quickly

[04-Aug-2011 11:48:59] <xuru> rmatte: right, but say I want to set every device below /Server/Windows to have a set of modelers only

[04-Aug-2011 11:48:59] <JohnnyNOC> i don't know if that's the problem xuru is having, but i have experienced that while using the HPMon and DellMon zenpacks with for example, WMIPerf

[04-Aug-2011 11:49:16] <xuru> rmatte: right

[04-Aug-2011 11:49:26] <rmatte> xuru: as long as you haven't locally defined zCollectorPlugins on the devices, then yes, you can do that

[04-Aug-2011 11:49:30] <bigegor> hi all

[04-Aug-2011 11:49:35] <xuru> JohnnyNOC: ah, good to know

[04-Aug-2011 11:49:37] <xuru> hey bigegor

[04-Aug-2011 11:49:47] <JohnnyNOC> hello bigegor!

[04-Aug-2011 11:49:48] <rmatte> Zenoss is built to be the way you're describing

[04-Aug-2011 11:50:00] <rmatte> but settings at lower levels always override settings at higher levels

[04-Aug-2011 11:50:14] <xuru> rmatte: yes, but it would be nice to clear all the devices / nodes below that level

[04-Aug-2011 11:50:24] <rmatte> so if you went around assigning collector plugins directly to devices themselves rather than to classes, you've overridge everything above

[04-Aug-2011 11:50:37] <xuru> yep

[04-Aug-2011 11:50:44] <rmatte> that option would be nice... but it shouldn't happen automatically

[04-Aug-2011 11:50:55] <rmatte> and it can be done with a bit of zendmd magic anyways

[04-Aug-2011 11:51:05] <xuru> no, but it would be nice to have the option in the menu perhaps

[04-Aug-2011 11:51:12] <rmatte> agreed

[04-Aug-2011 11:51:27] <xuru> I have people here that are allergic to command lines here :/

[04-Aug-2011 11:51:44] <rmatte> then they shouldn't be working in the monitoring field

[04-Aug-2011 11:51:52] <JohnnyNOC> these people could be management

[04-Aug-2011 11:51:58] <xuru> 

[04-Aug-2011 11:51:59] <JohnnyNOC> (the same people i'd like to create fancy zenoss reports for)

[04-Aug-2011 11:52:07] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: then they shouldn't be touching settings

[04-Aug-2011 11:52:16] <xuru> we're a small shop, so there are only a few of us here

[04-Aug-2011 11:52:21] <JohnnyNOC> you know, a lot of things shouldn't, but do

[04-Aug-2011 11:52:40] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: I've locked every manager here out of being able to change any settings in Zenoss

[04-Aug-2011 11:52:44] <rmatte> too much room for error

[04-Aug-2011 11:52:50] <JohnnyNOC> that's great

[04-Aug-2011 11:53:10] <rmatte> "Why are all the devices gone on this Zenoss box?" "Oh, I accidentally spilled my coffee in my lap and clicked delete"

[04-Aug-2011 11:53:11] <xuru> I've been looking around and Zenoss seems to be the best/only solutions for a small company that needs to report availability, and monitor uptime and it's devices

[04-Aug-2011 11:53:28] <rmatte> yes, Zenoss is the best I've seen

[04-Aug-2011 11:53:29] <xuru> rmatte: hehe

[04-Aug-2011 11:53:34] <rmatte> it's simple, makes sense, and works well

[04-Aug-2011 11:53:52] <xuru> just wish there was a pricing option for small businesses

[04-Aug-2011 11:53:57] * xuru looks at nyeates

[04-Aug-2011 11:54:16] <rmatte> doubt that'll ever happen, though we're trying to get something going with the community

[04-Aug-2011 11:54:29] <rmatte> where community members could be hired to develop features

[04-Aug-2011 11:54:43] <xuru> rmatte: that sounds interesting

[04-Aug-2011 11:54:50] <Hackman238> That topic will be discussed at the next ZCA meeting

[04-Aug-2011 11:55:22] <xuru> cool

[04-Aug-2011 11:55:49] <Hackman238> Sorry I've been quiet, its nuts busy here today

[04-Aug-2011 11:55:55] <Hackman238> Wrangling bugs

[04-Aug-2011 11:56:42] <nyeates> Yeah its a tough thing to do the community business match making....i know its been tried in the past and not ever taken off... hopefully it can be done this time around

[04-Aug-2011 11:56:59] <Hackman238> Plus tring to find a damn pump crystal/substitute for my new laser....Nd:YLO3 hard to find cheap

[04-Aug-2011 11:57:03] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates would zenoss.org link to zenoss consultants to provide those types of servics?

[04-Aug-2011 11:57:07] <JohnnyNOC> or, would they consider

[04-Aug-2011 11:57:27] <xuru> btw, I've created a wiki at http://zenoss.wikia.com/wiki/Zenoss_Wiki and could use some help putting in hacks and tricks

[04-Aug-2011 11:57:41] <JohnnyNOC> perhaps it's not the greatest example but people in the qmail community did something like that on qmail.org

[04-Aug-2011 11:57:48] <JohnnyNOC> linking to consultants that offer commercial support

[04-Aug-2011 11:58:24] <Hackman238> xuru: Man left me out

[04-Aug-2011 11:58:25] <nyeates> JohnnyNOC: there is an entire section for that on our community portal... maybe we need to be more proactive or make it simpler

[04-Aug-2011 11:58:41] <xuru> Hackman238: ?  blogs?

[04-Aug-2011 11:58:53] <rmatte> xuru: there is already a wiki on the community site with lots of tips/tricks documents already

[04-Aug-2011 11:58:57] <jmp242> yea

[04-Aug-2011 11:59:03] <jmp242> I'd work on the community site's wiki

[04-Aug-2011 11:59:12] <jmp242> hehe, actually I already do

[04-Aug-2011 11:59:46] <nyeates> Xuru, would you be willing to go on a list of people "looking to pay someone for zenoss work"?

[04-Aug-2011 11:59:46] <xuru> yeah, but I was thinking of keeping it separate from zenoss

[04-Aug-2011 11:59:56] <rmatte> eugh, someone must be downloading torrents here or something, our internet connection is garbage right now

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[04-Aug-2011 12:00:26] <xuru> oh oh

[04-Aug-2011 12:00:43] <rmatte> ummm wow... the first page of the community site looks like garbage right now

[04-Aug-2011 12:00:57] <rmatte> Browse links running down the left pushing everything else down, missing login fields

[04-Aug-2011 12:00:58] <rmatte> lol

[04-Aug-2011 12:01:12] <nyeates> I will start a simple page, that has two list: one for buyers, one for sellers...and rid of the other unused sections of old....start with something simple

[04-Aug-2011 12:01:15] <rmatte> The spaces box has overlapping text

[04-Aug-2011 12:01:24] <rmatte> spaces/places box rather

[04-Aug-2011 12:01:40] <nyeates> Yeah i saw this too rmatte

[04-Aug-2011 12:01:50] <rmatte> oh nevermind, it just took ages to load

[04-Aug-2011 12:01:56] <nyeates> Any other last min dev questions before devs start shipping out in mass?

[04-Aug-2011 12:02:02] <rmatte> once it loaded the formatting is different

[04-Aug-2011 12:02:27] <xuru> nyeates: not right now, but I'll try and save them up for next time

[04-Aug-2011 12:03:05] <rmatte> yeh, I don't really have any questions this morning

[04-Aug-2011 12:04:08] <xuru> rmatte: I was thinking more of an API kind of documentation look and feel to the wiki

[04-Aug-2011 12:05:09] <xuru> rmatte: for example, under events I have http://zenoss.wikia.com/wiki/Events

[04-Aug-2011 12:05:31] <xuru> as a couple of examples of transforming events

[04-Aug-2011 12:06:10] <nyeates> Allright - this concludes today dev 'reporting' session :-)

[04-Aug-2011 12:06:18] <xuru> thanks nyeates

[04-Aug-2011 12:07:07] <xuru> rmatte: loosely based on http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Interface_customization

[04-Aug-2011 12:07:19] <xuru> which is a game I'm addicted too

[04-Aug-2011 12:07:23] <nyeates> Everyone - look for 3.2.0 feature list on the blog today! snmpv3 traps are coming, and lots of UI enhancements

[04-Aug-2011 12:07:40] <rmatte> xuru: docs/DOC-2554

[04-Aug-2011 12:07:41] <xuru> oh sweet, thanks

[04-Aug-2011 12:08:20] <xuru> rmatte: yeah, I've seen that, but it's not organized very well

[04-Aug-2011 12:09:03] <rmatte> the best way to learn transforms is to dig in to zendmd anyways

[04-Aug-2011 12:09:09] <rmatte> it's coding with infinite possibilities

[04-Aug-2011 12:09:27] <xuru> for example, inside a transform, what is available for variables/methods/attributes ?

[04-Aug-2011 12:09:27] <rmatte> the best you can do documentwise is some getting started type guides

[04-Aug-2011 12:09:48] <rmatte> xuru: there is no limit to what's available

[04-Aug-2011 12:10:04] <rmatte> the only limit is what functions have been coded for use with Zenoss

[04-Aug-2011 12:10:15] <rmatte> and even then, you can create new functions and call on them

[04-Aug-2011 12:10:29] <rmatte> transforms are python scripts, you can do anything with them

[04-Aug-2011 12:10:50] <xuru> rmatte: there are certain objects available though, like evt, etc

[04-Aug-2011 12:10:58] <rmatte> there's evt and dev

[04-Aug-2011 12:11:00] <xuru> yes, but there is no API for those objects

[04-Aug-2011 12:11:23] <rmatte> but those are just shortcuts to use to call on functions/properties relating to the device or to the event

[04-Aug-2011 12:11:25] <xuru> the only way to figure them out is to use dmd or search the wiki

[04-Aug-2011 12:11:56] <rmatte> it's really not complicated to learn how to hunt down functions in zendmd

[04-Aug-2011 12:12:36] <rmatte> creating detailed documentation about every single possible function and then expecting to be able to effectively maintain that is time wasted in my opinion

[04-Aug-2011 12:12:47] <rmatte> I'd much rather spend time writing targeted documentation

[04-Aug-2011 12:13:02] <rmatte> such as how to write a collector plugin, how to write a daemon, how to write a report

[04-Aug-2011 12:13:11] <xuru> I agree, and that's not really the point...  it would be nice to have info out there for the common joe, to see that they can set evt.summary and it will show up here >

[04-Aug-2011 12:13:31] <xuru> rmatte: true

[04-Aug-2011 12:14:13] <rmatte> there is already stuff like that on the community site, you just have to search for it

[04-Aug-2011 12:14:29] <xuru> I'm thinking of the windows admin next to me that I would really like to help me creating transforms, but doesn't know python, and doesn't know anything about what's available on those objects

[04-Aug-2011 12:14:47] <rmatte> I didn't know python at all when I started using Zenoss

[04-Aug-2011 12:14:54] <jmp242> me neither

[04-Aug-2011 12:15:05] <jmp242> but the nice thing about python is you can fake it easily lol

[04-Aug-2011 12:15:07] <rmatte> I taught myself using what's available on the community site, and with people answering my question in here and on the forum, and it wasn't difficult to learn

[04-Aug-2011 12:15:47] <xuru> true, and I've been doing that as well, but there are people that aren't like us

[04-Aug-2011 12:15:48] <rmatte> This might be of use to you if you haven't read it: docs/DOC-5822

[04-Aug-2011 12:15:56] <xuru> and damn it, I could use some help :/

[04-Aug-2011 12:16:23] <rmatte> you just have to ask questions in here and they'll get answered

[04-Aug-2011 12:16:44] <rmatte> I have lots of experience writing transforms, so do many others that hang around here

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:02] <jmp242> Or in the forums too

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:03] <xuru> yeah, I know, I don't think she's ever used an IRC client

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:12] <rmatte> well, time to learn

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:12] <jmp242> how can you be an admin

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:13] <rmatte> lol

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:15] <jmp242> and never heard of IRC?

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:21] <xuru> windows admin lol

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:24] <jmp242> it's like 90% of the support for things I use

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:29] <jmp242> hell, I'm a windows admin

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:30] <rmatte> that's no excuse, mIRC has been around for ages

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:46] <rmatte> I didn't even know what Linux was when I first started using IRC

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:49] <rmatte> and I'm 26 years old

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:52] * fragfutter slaps rmatte around with a large trout

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:55] <xuru> she's more tech support then admin, but yeah, I'm exactly happy with it

[04-Aug-2011 12:17:59] <xuru> but I'm not the boss

[04-Aug-2011 12:18:02] <fragfutter> (if i remember the mirc slap correctly

[04-Aug-2011 12:18:11] <rmatte> fragfutter: yup

[04-Aug-2011 12:18:12] <xuru> just an over worked developer/admin

[04-Aug-2011 12:18:22] * rmatte slaps a large trout around a bit with fragfutter

[04-Aug-2011 12:18:43] <fragfutter> the poor trout

[04-Aug-2011 12:18:53] <rmatte> you were missing the "a bit" part

[04-Aug-2011 12:19:02] * rmatte slaps fragfutter around a bit with a large trout

[04-Aug-2011 12:19:10] <jmp242> mIRC

[04-Aug-2011 12:19:13] <jmp242> theres some memories

[04-Aug-2011 12:19:23] <jmp242> now I just use the built in client in Opera

[04-Aug-2011 12:19:28] <rmatte> mIRC scripting was the first coding language that I ever learned

[04-Aug-2011 12:19:30] <rmatte> lol

[04-Aug-2011 12:19:40] <jmp242> BASIC for me lol

[04-Aug-2011 12:19:47] <jmp242> on a Commodore 128D

[04-Aug-2011 12:19:51] <rmatte> after that it was visual basic

[04-Aug-2011 12:19:52] <fragfutter> rmatte: you are too young

[04-Aug-2011 12:19:55] <xuru> hehe, trash 80

[04-Aug-2011 12:20:05] <rmatte> then I started using FreeBSD and learned bash scripting

[04-Aug-2011 12:20:10] <xuru> I agree with fragfutter

[04-Aug-2011 12:20:19] <rmatte> then html, TCL, etc...

[04-Aug-2011 12:20:42] <rmatte> fragfutter: yes, I'm too young to have owned a commodore

[04-Aug-2011 12:21:01] <fragfutter> i started with zx80 basic.

[04-Aug-2011 12:21:08] <rmatte> my first computer was a 486 dx33, though we had a 386 in the house before that, but it wasn't actually ours

[04-Aug-2011 12:21:10] * xuru sighs

[04-Aug-2011 12:21:14] <xuru> back to the grind stone

[04-Aug-2011 12:23:11] <Hackman238> rmatte: 8086 here

[04-Aug-2011 12:23:42] <Hackman238> xuru: Dont work hard, work smart. Script those ops and tell walk ups to put in a ticket

[04-Aug-2011 12:24:11] <xuru> Hackman238: I try

[04-Aug-2011 12:24:18] <Hackman238> xuru: Meant you forgot to list my blog, but ehn I realize the ones you lsited are community site exclusive

[04-Aug-2011 12:24:32] <xuru> yeah

[04-Aug-2011 12:25:02] <xuru> and I didn't have much time to through it together...   it was just an idea I had

[04-Aug-2011 12:25:18] <Hackman238> xuru: Yep, understood. No hard feelings : )

[04-Aug-2011 12:25:39] <Exdaix> rmatte: thanks for the service reset tip earlier...  by the way your Formula zenpack makes me squeal with joy - I LOVE it

[04-Aug-2011 12:26:04] * fragfutter is happy that irc has no sound

[04-Aug-2011 12:26:10] <Exdaix> hah

[04-Aug-2011 12:26:19] <Hackman238> LOL

[04-Aug-2011 12:26:27] <Hackman238> rmatte: pack daemonized now?

[04-Aug-2011 12:26:33] <JohnnyNOC> what?  you don't have an mp3 player in your irc client?

[04-Aug-2011 12:26:52] <xuru> Aroma vision

[04-Aug-2011 12:32:40] <rmatte> Hackman238: I didn't end up having time to do it over the weekend

[04-Aug-2011 12:33:04] <Hackman238> rmatte: ah ok

[04-Aug-2011 12:33:20] <rmatte> Hackman238: I got through the code in your pack and identified some of the key spots that I'd need to change stuff to make it work the way I need it to

[04-Aug-2011 12:33:38] <Hackman238> rmatte: Alrighty

[04-Aug-2011 12:33:47] <rmatte> have you checked out the reports that I wrote for your pack

[04-Aug-2011 12:33:55] <rmatte> and the packet loss graph that I added to the jitter template?

[04-Aug-2011 12:36:00] <rmatte> Exdaix: no problem, I'm planning a big update to that pack soon  (if I ever find the time to actually do it)

[04-Aug-2011 12:36:48] <Hackman238> rmatte: Havent had a chance yet. I will ASAP though

[04-Aug-2011 12:37:50] <Exdaix> This may be a stupid newbie question... but how do I stack data points in a graph definition properly. Do I need to make all points checked off for "Stacked"?

[04-Aug-2011 12:38:08] <rmatte> Exdaix: what do you mean by "Stack"?

[04-Aug-2011 12:38:29] <Exdaix> I have Available memory and Used memory and I want them to be stacked on top of each other

[04-Aug-2011 12:38:33] <fragfutter> stacked graph i would guess

[04-Aug-2011 12:38:38] <Exdaix> yeah

[04-Aug-2011 12:38:44] <rmatte> oh, yeh you need to change the line type of the graphpoint

[04-Aug-2011 12:38:57] <Exdaix> so do I set that for both lines or just one

[04-Aug-2011 12:39:02] * rmatte checks the exact settings...

[04-Aug-2011 12:39:03] <Exdaix> cause my graphs look silly now lol

[04-Aug-2011 12:39:48] <rmatte> stacked has to be set to true on both lines, yes

[04-Aug-2011 12:40:52] <Exdaix> ok got it

[04-Aug-2011 12:42:42] <Exdaix> ok check this out...

[04-Aug-2011 12:42:43] <Exdaix> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/804/graphweird.png/

[04-Aug-2011 12:43:11] <Exdaix> Any idea why the Used bytes are showing up earlier than the data is coming in?

[04-Aug-2011 12:43:37] <rmatte> it looks to me like for some reason it's suddenly stopped collecting available

[04-Aug-2011 12:44:09] <rmatte> you're also zoomed in quite a bit

[04-Aug-2011 12:44:16] <rmatte> from a regular view it'll probably look better

[04-Aug-2011 12:45:01] <rmatte> it's also possible that it was in the middle of a collection cycle when you loaded the graph

[04-Aug-2011 12:45:06] <Exdaix> yeah, the other graphs also stop at the point of the green line so it looks to me like the blue is in the wrong place , data is still coming in for all.

[04-Aug-2011 12:45:07] <rmatte> that one area missing represents 5 minutes

[04-Aug-2011 12:45:12] <rmatte> meaning a single cycle

[04-Aug-2011 12:46:04] <Exdaix> I think its just a graphic bug... I refreshed and zoomed in...  every other step of the way it shows the weird blue and then dissapears again

[04-Aug-2011 12:46:14] <Exdaix> so it's changing slowly to the correct way

[04-Aug-2011 12:46:31] <Exdaix> no biggie

[04-Aug-2011 12:46:34] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 12:47:20] <Exdaix> Have you had any experience with angry Windows servers? I'd say about 10 out of 40 of mine are not allowing WMI connectivity for the Services to show up right

[04-Aug-2011 12:47:38] <Exdaix> they're configured the same as working ones... same username/password, etc.

[04-Aug-2011 12:47:46] <Exdaix> works locally with wbemtest.

[04-Aug-2011 12:47:49] <Exdaix> its weird

[04-Aug-2011 12:48:13] <xuru> Exdaix: I see that a lot too

[04-Aug-2011 12:48:21] <xuru> Exdaix: not sure why

[04-Aug-2011 12:48:41] <rmatte> yes, WMI blows hard

[04-Aug-2011 12:48:55] <rmatte> We constantly have problems with it

[04-Aug-2011 12:49:15] <rmatte> what OS is running on the ones you're having problems with?

[04-Aug-2011 12:49:29] <Exdaix> 2003 or 2008, I have a mix now

[04-Aug-2011 12:49:39] <rmatte> Are any running 2008 SP1?

[04-Aug-2011 12:49:49] <rmatte> because if they are, upgrade them to SP2, SP1 has horrible WMI bugs

[04-Aug-2011 12:49:49] <Exdaix> yeah I think

[04-Aug-2011 12:50:05] <Exdaix> ok ill check 'em. I'd say most of them are 2003 though

[04-Aug-2011 12:50:19] <rmatte> I only use WMI in a very targeted fashion these days

[04-Aug-2011 12:50:26] <rmatte> I monitor most of the stuff with SNMP

[04-Aug-2011 12:50:36] <Exdaix> Is there a way to populate the Service Component and monitor services using SNMP?

[04-Aug-2011 12:50:39] <rmatte> then just use WMI for services monitoring, or for monitoring applications such as exchange

[04-Aug-2011 12:50:58] <rmatte> not yet, but I did notice that services are exposed via SNMP and I do plan to eventually write a plugin to do it

[04-Aug-2011 12:51:23] <Exdaix> bah, thanks Microsoft

[04-Aug-2011 12:54:19] <rmatte> eugh, another Netscreen mangling ping packets

[04-Aug-2011 12:54:26] <rmatte> curse you Juniper

[04-Aug-2011 13:04:16] <rmatte> I hate firewalls, Cisco ASAs complain when too many SNMP requests are sent in one shot, Netscreens mangle packets, Fireboxes are the worst network appliance I've ever seen

[04-Aug-2011 13:10:57] <mennie> netscreen is the best

[04-Aug-2011 13:12:17] <rmatte> Hackman238: hmmm, I noticed something that might prevent the pack being installed with the new reports

[04-Aug-2011 13:12:22] <rmatte> I'll fix it right now if I can

[04-Aug-2011 13:12:40] <mennie> from juniper anyways, palo alto is the best firewall

[04-Aug-2011 13:12:50] <rmatte> It's just complaining about the reports organizer not existing

[04-Aug-2011 13:12:53] <rmatte> need to add that to the pack

[04-Aug-2011 13:15:12] <Hackman238> rmatte: Whats that?

[04-Aug-2011 13:16:57] <rmatte> 2011-08-04 13:11:20,909 WARNING zen.AddToPack: Unable to find context path /zport/dmd/Reports/Performance Reports/ipSLA (line 2061 ?) for Jitter

[04-Aug-2011 13:16:57] <rmatte> 2011-08-04 13:11:20,910 WARNING zen.AddToPack: Not committing any changes

[04-Aug-2011 13:16:57] <rmatte> ERROR: zenpack command failed. Reason: Exception: Unable to create object using the following attributes:

[04-Aug-2011 13:16:57] <rmatte>   * id: /zport/dmd/Reports/Performance Reports/ipSLA/Jitter

[04-Aug-2011 13:16:57] <rmatte>   * module: Products.ZenModel.Report

[04-Aug-2011 13:16:57] <rmatte>   * class: Report

[04-Aug-2011 13:17:09] <rmatte> It was just complaining that the reports organizer wasn't being created automatically

[04-Aug-2011 13:17:13] <rmatte> I just fixed it

[04-Aug-2011 13:17:17] <rmatte> I'll email the update to you

[04-Aug-2011 13:22:59] <rmatte> sent

[04-Aug-2011 13:31:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah yep. Got it. TY

[04-Aug-2011 13:34:03] <rmatte> np

[04-Aug-2011 13:55:25] <rmatte> bah, it still created that zendoc property on the HTTP template when installing it in 2.5

[04-Aug-2011 13:55:36] <rmatte> which prevents it from being copied to other classes until the property is removed

[04-Aug-2011 13:55:41] <rmatte> I'll work on fixing that too a bit later

[04-Aug-2011 14:01:24] <rmatte> actually, I'll clean it up once you send me the version with the OK button fixes

[04-Aug-2011 14:01:28] <rmatte> since it'll be a simple fix

[04-Aug-2011 14:02:12] <rmatte> hmmmm, zensla is crashing on one of my servers that I just installed it on

[04-Aug-2011 14:02:20] <rmatte> crashes on startup

[04-Aug-2011 14:02:29] <Hackman238> rmatte: do a zensla run now -v10

[04-Aug-2011 14:02:37] <Hackman238> rmatte: and send the trace

[04-Aug-2011 14:02:50] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 14:03:07] <rmatte> do I need the now?

[04-Aug-2011 14:03:16] <rmatte> zensla run -v10 is generally enough no?

[04-Aug-2011 14:03:40] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/WDpT/raw/

[04-Aug-2011 14:03:42] <rmatte> there you are

[04-Aug-2011 14:03:56] <rmatte> oh you know what

[04-Aug-2011 14:04:02] <rmatte> I may have forgotten to restart zope

[04-Aug-2011 14:04:03] <Hackman238> incompatible threshold

[04-Aug-2011 14:04:06] <rmatte> will be stupid if that's what it is

[04-Aug-2011 14:04:30] <rmatte> nope

[04-Aug-2011 14:04:32] <rmatte> same error

[04-Aug-2011 14:04:46] <rmatte> I don't have any thresholds in those templates that could be causing this, they are fresh

[04-Aug-2011 14:05:02] <Hackman238> hum

[04-Aug-2011 14:05:04] <Hackman238> Thats odd

[04-Aug-2011 14:05:21] <rmatte> it's a clean install on a server that I've never installed it on before

[04-Aug-2011 14:05:24] <Hackman238> run a zenperfsnmp -v10 and send that

[04-Aug-2011 14:05:47] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 14:05:50] <Hackman238> yeah thats a scarey message since it uses most of the same configuration system zenperfsnmp does

[04-Aug-2011 14:06:18] <rmatte> hmmmm zenperfsnmp is doing it too, though it's actively running right now

[04-Aug-2011 14:07:01] <rmatte> it's been collecting snmp data fine

[04-Aug-2011 14:07:01] <Hackman238> okay, whatever is causing it is breaking the bootstrap config for the daemons

[04-Aug-2011 14:07:23] <rmatte> any idea how to go about fixing this?

[04-Aug-2011 14:07:30] <Hackman238> yep, it would since its only bootstrap config

[04-Aug-2011 14:07:48] <Hackman238> Thats a good question....have you installed/removed/created and threshold stuff?

[04-Aug-2011 14:07:59] <rmatte> not on that box

[04-Aug-2011 14:08:04] <Hackman238> Hum.

[04-Aug-2011 14:08:06] <rmatte> I haven't touched that box in ages

[04-Aug-2011 14:08:14] <rmatte> the only thing I've done recently is install this ZenPack

[04-Aug-2011 14:08:39] <Hackman238> Okay.

[04-Aug-2011 14:08:52] <Hackman238> ave tried zenchkrels?

[04-Aug-2011 14:09:09] <rmatte> nope, just execute that command?

[04-Aug-2011 14:09:15] <Hackman238> zenchkrels -x1 -r

[04-Aug-2011 14:09:24] <rmatte> running...

[04-Aug-2011 14:10:27] <rmatte> what's -x1 do?

[04-Aug-2011 14:10:33] <rmatte> I figure -r is repair

[04-Aug-2011 14:11:08] <Hackman238> -r = repair, -x # count to commit

[04-Aug-2011 14:11:09] <rmatte> oh, it goes through all of the MIBs objects too, this could take a while since I have the Cisco MIBs on there

[04-Aug-2011 14:11:16] <Hackman238> yep

[04-Aug-2011 14:12:35] <rmatte> I'm scared to install this on other boxes now lol

[04-Aug-2011 14:13:21] <Hackman238> na, the pack doesnt handle any of that

[04-Aug-2011 14:13:25] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 14:13:27] <Hackman238> Thats why is so scarey

[04-Aug-2011 14:13:38] <Hackman238> Means your install has something broked somewheres in the zope void

[04-Aug-2011 14:13:48] <rmatte> good thing I noticed now

[04-Aug-2011 14:13:54] <Hackman238> yep

[04-Aug-2011 14:13:54] <rmatte> instead of noticing after rebooting the server

[04-Aug-2011 14:13:55] <rmatte> lol

[04-Aug-2011 14:13:58] <Hackman238> Exactly

[04-Aug-2011 14:13:59] <Hackman238>

[04-Aug-2011 14:14:06] <rmatte> I'll have to go through all of them right now and do a test...

[04-Aug-2011 14:14:10] <rmatte> hopefully it's just this one

[04-Aug-2011 14:14:48] <Hackman238> Probably just a one off problem

[04-Aug-2011 14:15:02] <Hackman238> Let me know if it stops with trace

[04-Aug-2011 14:15:59] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 14:16:23] <Hackman238> what version of zenoss?

[04-Aug-2011 14:16:25] <Hackman238> 2.5.2?

[04-Aug-2011 14:16:40] <Hackman238> Whats the line count of /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/ZenHub/services/ThresholdMixin.py?

[04-Aug-2011 14:16:52] <rmatte> yes 2.5.2

[04-Aug-2011 14:17:03] <rmatte> one sec

[04-Aug-2011 14:17:19] <rmatte> this is one of the simplest servers I have, it's just monitoring a bunch of cisco routers, they are all in the same class

[04-Aug-2011 14:17:23] <rmatte> all using the same templates

[04-Aug-2011 14:17:27] <straterra> Hmm..I have my ESX host tossing an SNMP trap event when theres a hardware issue..but it looks like all of the events use the same MIB

[04-Aug-2011 14:17:31] <rmatte> and they are all my stock templates

[04-Aug-2011 14:18:15] <Hackman238> rmatte: Alone char count of that file

[04-Aug-2011 14:18:59] <rmatte> I'm just finishing up verifying my other servers don't have the problem then I'll check

[04-Aug-2011 14:20:29] <rmatte> so it's definetly the only one with problems

[04-Aug-2011 14:20:41] <rmatte> the zenchkrels just finished

[04-Aug-2011 14:20:58] <Hackman238> yeah can test best by zenperfsnmp -v10 and zensla -v10...generally zenoss problemsd will break both simultaniously

[04-Aug-2011 14:20:59] <straterra> Hmm..is there a way to see ALL of the data that Zenoss sees for a specific trap event?

[04-Aug-2011 14:21:00] <rmatte> Hackman238: including blank lines?

[04-Aug-2011 14:21:06] <rmatte> says 36 including blank lines

[04-Aug-2011 14:21:06] <straterra> So I can write a sane transport against it?

[04-Aug-2011 14:21:07] <Hackman238> rmatte: yes

[04-Aug-2011 14:21:18] <rmatte> 33 lines to the last actual line

[04-Aug-2011 14:21:21] <rmatte> then there are 3 breaks after it

[04-Aug-2011 14:21:23] <Hackman238> rmatte: char count?

[04-Aug-2011 14:21:34] <rmatte> 1297

[04-Aug-2011 14:21:46] <Hackman238> make sure that matches on a working box.

[04-Aug-2011 14:21:49] <rmatte> but 1285 to the last actual character

[04-Aug-2011 14:21:54] <Hackman238> matches mine in production

[04-Aug-2011 14:21:56] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 14:22:12] <Hackman238> I'll look elsewhere, but it shoulds like a rel's gone mad

[04-Aug-2011 14:22:23] <rmatte> matches exactly

[04-Aug-2011 14:23:06] <Hackman238> yep ok

[04-Aug-2011 14:23:26] <Hackman238> check ToManyContRelationship.py and zensla.py also

[04-Aug-2011 14:23:36] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 14:23:54] <Hackman238> ToMany...284L 9839C here

[04-Aug-2011 14:24:24] <rmatte> 285 lines here, same char count though

[04-Aug-2011 14:24:34] <rmatte> might just be the editor I'm using

[04-Aug-2011 14:24:39] <Hackman238> Driver.py 126L 3352C

[04-Aug-2011 14:24:45] <Hackman238> rmatte: yes, thats all

[04-Aug-2011 14:25:01] <rmatte> same

[04-Aug-2011 14:25:09] <Hackman238> lets try soething

[04-Aug-2011 14:25:12] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 14:25:13] <Hackman238> lets try something

[04-Aug-2011 14:25:18] <rmatte>

[04-Aug-2011 14:25:26] <Hackman238> zenperfsmnp -v10 -d aDeviceThatDoesntExist

[04-Aug-2011 14:25:33] <Hackman238> zenperfsmnp run now -v10 -d aDeviceThatDoesntExist

[04-Aug-2011 14:25:35] <Hackman238> Sorry

[04-Aug-2011 14:25:43] <Hackman238> Does fail in the same way?

[04-Aug-2011 14:25:52] <rmatte> actually wait a minute

[04-Aug-2011 14:26:00] <Hackman238> ?

[04-Aug-2011 14:26:01] <rmatte> could this have to do with the fact that I haven't modeled the devices yet?

[04-Aug-2011 14:26:08] <rmatte> and they were just added to the SLA class?

[04-Aug-2011 14:26:26] <Hackman238> No

[04-Aug-2011 14:26:28] <Hackman238> No effect

[04-Aug-2011 14:26:30] <rmatte> exceptions.AttributeError: 'SLADevice' object has no attribute '__of__'

[04-Aug-2011 14:26:48] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 14:26:58] <Hackman238> zensla is a copy of zenperfsnmp

[04-Aug-2011 14:27:05] <Hackman238> almost 100%

[04-Aug-2011 14:27:24] <Hackman238> thats why they share so many deps LOL

[04-Aug-2011 14:27:30] <rmatte> right, but it expects the device to have SLADevice under it

[04-Aug-2011 14:27:47] <rmatte> or whatever it is

[04-Aug-2011 14:27:54] <Hackman238> hum. Cant hurt to try

[04-Aug-2011 14:27:55] <rmatte> d.ipSLAs or something

[04-Aug-2011 14:28:01] <rmatte> yeh, I'll give it a go for the heck of it

[04-Aug-2011 14:28:01] <Hackman238> I never observed it before

[04-Aug-2011 14:28:17] <rmatte> interesting...

[04-Aug-2011 14:28:26] <Hackman238> zenperfsnmp run now -v10 -d aDeviceThatDoesntExist

[04-Aug-2011 14:28:30] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/hUmo/raw/

[04-Aug-2011 14:28:31] <Hackman238> Does that fail to configure?

[04-Aug-2011 14:28:50] <rmatte> yes, it fails

[04-Aug-2011 14:29:05] <Hackman238> Same code?

[04-Aug-2011 14:29:27] <rmatte> ?

[04-Aug-2011 14:29:34] <rmatte> what do you mean same code?

[04-Aug-2011 14:29:36] <Hackman238> Rather, does it fail with the same trace?

[04-Aug-2011 14:29:46] <Hackman238> At ThresholdMixin

[04-Aug-2011 14:29:46] <rmatte> looks like, yes

[04-Aug-2011 14:29:55] <rmatte> well...

[04-Aug-2011 14:30:15] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/P2BC/raw/

[04-Aug-2011 14:30:47] <rmatte> and yeh, still at thresholds from the looks of it

[04-Aug-2011 14:31:02] <Hackman238> try What the heck. LOL

[04-Aug-2011 14:31:56] <Hackman238> SnmpConfig shouldnt ever even look at that class

[04-Aug-2011 14:31:57] <rmatte> ?

[04-Aug-2011 14:32:12] <Hackman238> Sans the try, sorry, short on threads

[04-Aug-2011 14:32:18] <rmatte> lol

[04-Aug-2011 14:32:22] <Hackman238> zendmd

[04-Aug-2011 14:32:31] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 14:32:34] <Hackman238> for i in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices():

[04-Aug-2011 14:32:36] <Hackman238>    try:

[04-Aug-2011 14:32:37] <straterra> http://imgur.com/6d1IT

[04-Aug-2011 14:32:51] <Hackman238>       i.checkRelations(repair=True)

[04-Aug-2011 14:32:54] <Hackman238>    except:

[04-Aug-2011 14:32:58] <Hackman238>       pass

[04-Aug-2011 14:33:19] <rmatte> just did, finished in a split second

[04-Aug-2011 14:33:28] <rmatte> commit?

[04-Aug-2011 14:33:37] <Hackman238> how many devices on that box?

[04-Aug-2011 14:33:41] <Hackman238> yeah commit()

[04-Aug-2011 14:33:44] <rmatte> 25

[04-Aug-2011 14:33:49] <Hackman238> okay.

[04-Aug-2011 14:33:53] <rmatte> it's one of my smaller instances

[04-Aug-2011 14:34:09] <rmatte> still crashing

[04-Aug-2011 14:34:13] <Hackman238> yeah this is a very bizarre problem. Other boxes not have the same problem?

[04-Aug-2011 14:34:20] <rmatte> nope, all others are fine

[04-Aug-2011 14:34:29] <rmatte> I have no idea what could have caused this

[04-Aug-2011 14:34:38] <Hackman238> Mine here arent. I dont get it. I think is a zodb crazyness

[04-Aug-2011 14:34:40] <rmatte> the last thing I did to this server was a zeopack about a week ago

[04-Aug-2011 14:34:46] <Hackman238> Gotcha

[04-Aug-2011 14:34:49] <Hackman238> Let me think

[04-Aug-2011 14:35:01] <Hackman238> Very sorry for the problem

[04-Aug-2011 14:35:24] <rmatte> lol, it probably has nothing to do with your pack

[04-Aug-2011 14:35:33] <rmatte> though I'll see if I can recreate it later on a test box to be sure

[04-Aug-2011 14:35:36] <Hackman238> yeah, but still, is a pin in the butt for ya

[04-Aug-2011 14:35:41] <rmatte> yup

[04-Aug-2011 14:35:52] <rmatte> well, I'll be fine just as long as I don't restart zenperfsnmp lol

[04-Aug-2011 14:35:58] <rmatte> then again I can't start zensla which I need

[04-Aug-2011 14:35:59] <Hackman238> zendmd

[04-Aug-2011 14:36:01] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 14:36:17] <Hackman238> import SLADevice

[04-Aug-2011 14:36:20] <Hackman238> Win or Fail?

[04-Aug-2011 14:36:27] <rmatte> >>> import SLADevice

[04-Aug-2011 14:36:27] <rmatte> Traceback (most recent call last):

[04-Aug-2011 14:36:27] <rmatte>   File "<console>", line 1, in ?

[04-Aug-2011 14:36:28] <rmatte> ImportError: No module named SLADevice

[04-Aug-2011 14:36:28] <Hackman238> straterra: Sorry, I'll get back to you, promise

[04-Aug-2011 14:36:34] <Hackman238> ok, 1 sec

[04-Aug-2011 14:36:50] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 14:37:38] <rmatte> should I try uninstalling the ZenPack then installing it again?

[04-Aug-2011 14:37:41] <Hackman238> try from Products.ZenRRD.zensla import SLAConfig

[04-Aug-2011 14:37:44] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 14:37:54] <rmatte> that worked

[04-Aug-2011 14:37:56] <Hackman238> ok

[04-Aug-2011 14:39:18] <Hackman238> from ZenPacks.ShaneScott.ipSLA import SLADevice

[04-Aug-2011 14:39:23] <Hackman238> brb, need big red

[04-Aug-2011 14:39:30] <rmatte> that worked

[04-Aug-2011 14:39:31] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 14:43:23] <rmatte> nyeates: the page you linked to in the email you sent out doesn't exist

[04-Aug-2011 14:43:27] <rmatte> blogs/zenossblog/2011/08/12/zenoss-core-320-feature-and-bug-list

[04-Aug-2011 14:45:19] <rmatte> crap, I have a meeting in 15

[04-Aug-2011 14:48:26] <rmatte> the checkRelations you had me do earlier was bad

[04-Aug-2011 14:48:37] <rmatte> it should have been...

[04-Aug-2011 14:48:41] <rmatte> for i in dmd.getSubObjects():

[04-Aug-2011 14:48:54] <rmatte> I just realized you had done: getSubDevices()

[04-Aug-2011 14:49:21] <straterra> Hackman238: no problem

[04-Aug-2011 14:49:36] <rmatte> I'm doing this now...

[04-Aug-2011 14:49:37] <rmatte> >>> for p in dmd.getSubObjects():

[04-Aug-2011 14:49:37] <rmatte> ...     try:

[04-Aug-2011 14:49:37] <rmatte> ...         p.checkRelations(repair=True)

[04-Aug-2011 14:49:37] <rmatte> ...

[04-Aug-2011 14:49:37] <rmatte> ...

[04-Aug-2011 14:49:37] <rmatte> ...     except:

[04-Aug-2011 14:49:37] <rmatte> ...         pass

[04-Aug-2011 14:50:00] <rmatte> it's taking a while to run but hopefully it may fix the problem

[04-Aug-2011 14:50:28] <Hackman238> alrighty, good idea

[04-Aug-2011 14:52:02] <rmatte> if you have any other suggestions to throw out there go for it

[04-Aug-2011 14:52:13] <Hackman238> Alrighty.

[04-Aug-2011 14:52:27] <Hackman238> straterra: Whats up?

[04-Aug-2011 14:52:42] <straterra> Hackman238: I finally got Zenoss to get the SNMP trap from an ESX host

[04-Aug-2011 14:52:45] <Hackman238> rmatte: Might want to clear and rebuild catalogs

[04-Aug-2011 14:52:51] <Hackman238> straterra: Nice

[04-Aug-2011 14:53:01] <rmatte> Hackman238: how do I do that?

[04-Aug-2011 14:53:03] <straterra> And the information is in the that screenshot

[04-Aug-2011 14:53:29] <straterra> I don't need a transform for every single possible hardware alert though..I don't care that much..But I'd like to make a generic "ESX hardware" alert

[04-Aug-2011 14:53:55] <Hackman238> straterra: Gotcha

[04-Aug-2011 14:53:57] <straterra> And I could just copy the information in the trap verbatim

[04-Aug-2011 14:53:57] <rmatte> ok, so that didn't work

[04-Aug-2011 14:54:05] <rmatte> (the checkRelations)

[04-Aug-2011 14:54:45] <Hackman238> rmatte: I gues you could try reinstalling the pack to rebuild rels, but I dont ahve any theory other than 'just to try'

[04-Aug-2011 14:54:50] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 14:55:42] <Hackman238> straterra: Do all the hardware events fall under a single parent in the oids?

[04-Aug-2011 14:56:13] <rmatte> reinstalling didn't work

[04-Aug-2011 14:56:32] <rmatte> hmmmm I wonder...

[04-Aug-2011 14:56:36] <Hackman238> rmatte: damn. I didnt think it would, but I'm short on suggestions

[04-Aug-2011 14:56:55] <rmatte> I'm going to uninstall the pack then see what the error is

[04-Aug-2011 14:57:00] <rmatte> since it's complaining about SLADevice

[04-Aug-2011 14:57:17] <Hackman238> rmatte: yeah. you'll want to bounce zope and zenhub

[04-Aug-2011 14:57:21] <Hackman238> wait...

[04-Aug-2011 14:57:26] <rmatte> and zenhub?

[04-Aug-2011 14:57:29] <rmatte> I usually just bounce zope

[04-Aug-2011 14:57:32] <Hackman238> Did you ever restart zenhub?

[04-Aug-2011 14:57:35] <rmatte> nope

[04-Aug-2011 14:57:39] <rmatte> could that be the issue?

[04-Aug-2011 14:57:41] <straterra> Hackman238: yes

[04-Aug-2011 14:57:51] <Hackman238> In theroy zenhub doesnt need to be restarted to load new mods

[04-Aug-2011 14:58:00] <Hackman238> rmatte: but it does to unload them

[04-Aug-2011 14:58:07] <rmatte> ah

[04-Aug-2011 14:58:37] <Hackman238> straterra: Alrighty. What you'll want to do is create a transform that looks at the oid field and checks to see if the parent oid is in there. If it is, modify the event to what you wish

[04-Aug-2011 14:59:11] <rmatte> It's still complaining about SLADevice... hmmm I wonder...

[04-Aug-2011 14:59:25] <Hackman238> rmatte: After zenhub stop and start?

[04-Aug-2011 14:59:40] <rmatte> yes, but I think it might relate to zPythonClass... I'll move the devices back to their original class

[04-Aug-2011 15:00:03] <Hackman238> After the pack is removed devices with rels based on the pack should be destroyed

[04-Aug-2011 15:00:05] <rmatte> eugh, that's not good

[04-Aug-2011 15:00:16] <rmatte> I get "Unable to communicate with server" when trying to load the device list

[04-Aug-2011 15:00:36] <Hackman238> Does /Network/IPSLA exist?

[04-Aug-2011 15:00:39] <Hackman238> check in zendmd

[04-Aug-2011 15:00:49] <rmatte> well, the thing is that I created IPSLA classes by hand

[04-Aug-2011 15:00:53] <rmatte> so they will definitely still be there

[04-Aug-2011 15:01:01] <rmatte> oh wait shit

[04-Aug-2011 15:01:12] <rmatte> fuck, I just thought of something

[04-Aug-2011 15:01:19] <rmatte> when i removed that pack I deleted all of the devices

[04-Aug-2011 15:01:20] <Hackman238> whats that?

[04-Aug-2011 15:01:23] <Hackman238> yes

[04-Aug-2011 15:01:25] <Hackman238> It should have

[04-Aug-2011 15:01:31] <rmatte> damnit

[04-Aug-2011 15:01:37] <rmatte> this gets worse and worse

[04-Aug-2011 15:01:38] <rmatte> lol

[04-Aug-2011 15:01:42] <Hackman238> If it didnt the something is really f'd in the a

[04-Aug-2011 15:01:59] <Hackman238> straterra: Have you dont any transforms before?

[04-Aug-2011 15:02:10] <rmatte> eugh, this is bad, now I need to add all these devices back

[04-Aug-2011 15:02:12] <Hackman238> rmatte: from zendmd, reindex()

[04-Aug-2011 15:02:30] <Hackman238> Sorry man.

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:07] <straterra> Hackman238: Never

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:13] <Hackman238> straterra: Okay, 1 second

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:18] <rmatte> I tried a reindex earlier

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:19] <Hackman238> straterra: (or more)

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:20] <rmatte> didn't help

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:27] <straterra> Hackman238: no rush

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:31] <rmatte> hmmm, reindex crashes

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:33] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah, I only say reindex since devices were removed

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:37] <rmatte> 2011-08-04 15:03:23 WARNING OFS.Uninstalled Could not import class 'SLADevice' from module 'ZenPacks.ShaneScott.ipSLA.SLADevice'

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:37] <rmatte> Traceback (most recent call last):

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:37] <rmatte>   File "<console>", line 1, in ?

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:37] <rmatte>   File "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/zendmd.py", line 94, in reindex

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:37] <rmatte>     dmd.Devices.reIndex()

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:37] <rmatte>   File "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/DeviceClass.py", line 774, in reIndex

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:37] <rmatte>     dev.index_object()

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:38] <rmatte> AttributeError: index_object

[04-Aug-2011 15:03:54] <rmatte> oh wait

[04-Aug-2011 15:04:14] <Hackman238> did restart zope and zenhub?

[04-Aug-2011 15:04:19] <rmatte> yeh, same error

[04-Aug-2011 15:04:22] <rmatte> I did restart both

[04-Aug-2011 15:04:25] <rmatte> after removing the pack

[04-Aug-2011 15:04:39] <Hackman238> rm -F the pack directory if it exists

[04-Aug-2011 15:04:57] <rmatte> just restarted them again

[04-Aug-2011 15:04:58] <rmatte> ok

[04-Aug-2011 15:05:03] <Hackman238> Its a relproblem...persistant objects I'm afraid

[04-Aug-2011 15:05:11] <Hackman238> I hate to do it to you but

[04-Aug-2011 15:05:16] <Hackman238> zenfixit.py

[04-Aug-2011 15:05:19] <rmatte> doesn't exist

[04-Aug-2011 15:05:41] <Hackman238> ah ok, I'll mail you a copy

[04-Aug-2011 15:06:30] <Hackman238> sent to raw

[04-Aug-2011 15:06:36] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 15:06:43] <Hackman238> rmatte: Dont use this script all the time. only if you have no choice

[04-Aug-2011 15:07:11] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 15:07:16] <Hackman238> rmatte: Zenfixit is like climing yosemite without a harness...you might succeed or you might die horribly

[04-Aug-2011 15:07:34] <rmatte> lol

[04-Aug-2011 15:07:55] <rmatte> do I just run it with no arguments?

[04-Aug-2011 15:07:58] <Hackman238> yep

[04-Aug-2011 15:08:11] <Hackman238> dont forget to close your eyes

[04-Aug-2011 15:08:14] <Hackman238> LOL J/K

[04-Aug-2011 15:08:26] <Hackman238> Its just a tech in a box really

[04-Aug-2011 15:09:14] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 15:10:44] <rmatte> running...

[04-Aug-2011 15:10:49] <Hackman238> straterra: try:

[04-Aug-2011 15:10:50] <Hackman238> for attr in dir(evt):

[04-Aug-2011 15:10:50] <Hackman238>    if attr.startswith('1.3.6.1.2.1.15.3.1.14.'):

[04-Aug-2011 15:10:51] <Hackman238>        evt.summary = "your summary"

[04-Aug-2011 15:11:04] <Hackman238> As a transform on the target where the traps are mapped to

[04-Aug-2011 15:11:06] <straterra> Where do I do that?

[04-Aug-2011 15:11:46] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/2tWW/

[04-Aug-2011 15:11:49] <Hackman238> straterra: You'll need to go to the event class where these events go and click the gear in the lower left -> transform

[04-Aug-2011 15:11:57] <rmatte> screw this, I'm going to see if I can restore from a backup or something

[04-Aug-2011 15:12:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: Looks like it failed to delete the devices

[04-Aug-2011 15:12:43] <Hackman238> rmatte: Its trying to iterate on half objects

[04-Aug-2011 15:13:04] <rmatte> nope, the devices were removed for sure

[04-Aug-2011 15:13:16] <rmatte> running it again, no output for any device stuff

[04-Aug-2011 15:13:24] <rmatte> but it still errors at the same spot with the same error

[04-Aug-2011 15:13:38] <Hackman238> rmatte: yeah they are borked objects

[04-Aug-2011 15:13:40] <straterra> I guess I'll put it in HW

[04-Aug-2011 15:13:59] <Hackman238> rmatte: I hate it when this happens LOL

[04-Aug-2011 15:14:17] <Hackman238> rmatte: we can interatively delete the problem objects or restore from backup

[04-Aug-2011 15:14:32] <straterra> Hackman238: I add a transform in the event class where I WANT the alerts to go, not in Unknown, correct?

[04-Aug-2011 15:14:40] <Hackman238> After the restore I'd run zenfix and zenchkrels to make sure everything is kosher before install the pack again

[04-Aug-2011 15:15:12] <Hackman238> straterra: You'll need to add it to unknown since you dont want to map each event to a new location

[04-Aug-2011 15:15:35] <Hackman238> straterra: Later, after this works, we can add a line to have the transform move the events to a new class after modifying them

[04-Aug-2011 15:15:40] <straterra> Alrighty

[04-Aug-2011 15:17:17] <Hackman238> straterra: http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/zenoss_event_management_paper.pd

[04-Aug-2011 15:17:20] <Hackman238> straterra: http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/zenoss_event_management_paper.pdf

[04-Aug-2011 15:17:31] <Hackman238> straterra: Has lots of good info on the event system

[04-Aug-2011 15:18:04] <straterra> I'm looking at it now

[04-Aug-2011 15:18:12] <straterra> I got the transform added

[04-Aug-2011 15:18:58] <straterra> for attr in dir(evt):

[04-Aug-2011 15:18:58] <straterra>  if attr.startswith('1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.1.301'):

[04-Aug-2011 15:18:59] <straterra>   evt.summary = "ESX Alarm"

[04-Aug-2011 15:20:17] <rmatte> Hackman238: where would that object be to delete it?

[04-Aug-2011 15:22:24] <Hackman238> rmatte: I'd try a for d in dmd.Devices.getSubObjects(): and see if that completes

[04-Aug-2011 15:22:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: If it does we'll use that to iterate through

[04-Aug-2011 15:23:09] <JohnnyNOC> you guys know if/how i can script something on a remote collector to talk to zend?

[04-Aug-2011 15:23:19] <rmatte> it completes, though I get the issues where it complains that it couldn't import SLADevice

[04-Aug-2011 15:23:25] <rmatte> a message

[04-Aug-2011 15:23:27] <Hackman238> rmatte: Thats ok

[04-Aug-2011 15:23:34] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Zend?

[04-Aug-2011 15:23:39] <rmatte> k, so next?

[04-Aug-2011 15:23:48] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 zendmd

[04-Aug-2011 15:24:12] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: use zendmd from a collector?

[04-Aug-2011 15:24:14] <Hackman238> rmatte: 1 sec

[04-Aug-2011 15:24:19] <Hackman238> straterra: Looks good

[04-Aug-2011 15:24:22] <JohnnyNOC> i want to write a script that runs locally on the collector but queries things from zendmd

[04-Aug-2011 15:24:33] <realitygeoff_> hi...  noob question here.  In zenoss 3.1, we have some graphs were are mis reporting stats in MB when they should reporting in GB.  What is the right place to look to resolve this?

[04-Aug-2011 15:24:42] <JohnnyNOC> and my remote collectors aren't running zendmd so i thought i'd have to find a way to query the primary zenoss machine which does

[04-Aug-2011 15:25:07] <straterra> Hackman238: Do I have to retrigger it or something?

[04-Aug-2011 15:26:26] <Hackman238> straterra: Yes

[04-Aug-2011 15:26:32] <Hackman238> rmatte: try

[04-Aug-2011 15:26:35] <Hackman238> for d in dmd.Devices.getSubObjects():

[04-Aug-2011 15:26:36] <Hackman238>    try:

[04-Aug-2011 15:26:36] <Hackman238>       a = d.getObject()

[04-Aug-2011 15:26:36] <Hackman238>    except KeyboardInterrupt:

[04-Aug-2011 15:26:36] <Hackman238>       self.exitGracefully()

[04-Aug-2011 15:26:38] <Hackman238>    except:

[04-Aug-2011 15:26:41] <Hackman238>       print d

[04-Aug-2011 15:27:12] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: There is

[04-Aug-2011 15:27:29] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: zendmd --help; point it to the master

[04-Aug-2011 15:28:08] <rmatte> ok, we're going to attempt a restore from backup

[04-Aug-2011 15:28:14] <rmatte> finally got the backup admin's attention

[04-Aug-2011 15:28:33] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah ok. backup the borked one

[04-Aug-2011 15:28:49] <Hackman238> rmatte: And just untar the backup in its place

[04-Aug-2011 15:29:09] <rmatte> nah the backup is literally a full VM

[04-Aug-2011 15:29:12] <Hackman238> realitygeoff_: What type of graphs?

[04-Aug-2011 15:29:18] <rmatte> we take full VM backups nightly

[04-Aug-2011 15:29:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah gotcha

[04-Aug-2011 15:29:32] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 ok i guess i'll have to much with that later since currently zope is running on localhost:8100

[04-Aug-2011 15:29:44] <Hackman238> rmatte: Nice. do a zenfixit on that puppy before you install the pack again

[04-Aug-2011 15:29:45] <JohnnyNOC> s/much/muck

[04-Aug-2011 15:30:00] <JohnnyNOC> i'm not sure what's going to break

[04-Aug-2011 15:30:41] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Its zeo you'll connect to. vi $ZENHOME/etc/zeo.conf and remove localhost:

[04-Aug-2011 15:30:59] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Next time you restart zeo it'll bind to all interfaces

[04-Aug-2011 15:32:25] <straterra> Hackman238: hmm..I just re-triggered it and it didn't seem to work

[04-Aug-2011 15:33:06] <Hackman238> straterra: can you send a copy of the event?

[04-Aug-2011 15:33:18] <straterra> Err, sure..if you tell me how

[04-Aug-2011 15:33:43] <Hackman238> straterra: screenshot it ok

[04-Aug-2011 15:34:19] <straterra> ok..I have that screenshot from before that has the event

[04-Aug-2011 15:34:24] <straterra> http://imgur.com/6d1IT

[04-Aug-2011 15:34:28] <Hackman238> straterra: That works

[04-Aug-2011 15:35:57] <Hackman238> straterra: try:

[04-Aug-2011 15:36:03] <Hackman238> if evt.oid.startswith('1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.1.'): evt.summary = "ESX Alarm"

[04-Aug-2011 15:36:30] <Hackman238> straterra: Should work

[04-Aug-2011 15:37:50] <straterra> Ok..so now ill delete the event and retrigger it

[04-Aug-2011 15:37:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: Keep me posted

[04-Aug-2011 15:37:58] <Hackman238> straterra: yes plz

[04-Aug-2011 15:39:33] <straterra> ok..so..I retriggered it

[04-Aug-2011 15:39:44] <rmatte> I'm ready to strangle something right now...

[04-Aug-2011 15:39:46] <straterra> summary is still snmp trap bla

[04-Aug-2011 15:39:54] <rmatte> so I shut the box down, then remember that I want to backup the perf data

[04-Aug-2011 15:40:00] <rmatte> boot it back up, and now it's doing a filesystem scan

[04-Aug-2011 15:40:08] <straterra> ext?

[04-Aug-2011 15:40:10] <Hackman238> straterra: Hum. Thats weird

[04-Aug-2011 15:40:12] <rmatte> the guy who is going to restore the image has to leave soon

[04-Aug-2011 15:40:15] <rmatte> yes, ext3

[04-Aug-2011 15:40:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: Oh man

[04-Aug-2011 15:40:28] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 but is that not dependent on me moving zope off of 127.0.0.1:8100?

[04-Aug-2011 15:40:32] <JohnnyNOC> on the primary

[04-Aug-2011 15:40:43] <rmatte> /dev/sda1 has gone 477 days without being checked, check forced.

[04-Aug-2011 15:40:44] <Hackman238> rmatte: Kill it and restart in init 1, vi /etc/fstab, change mount options to 0 0 and restart

[04-Aug-2011 15:40:56] <straterra> Hackman238: Very weird..is there a command I have to run after putting in the transform or anything?

[04-Aug-2011 15:40:56] <rmatte> nah, it's already almost done

[04-Aug-2011 15:41:01] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: No, its just a bind option

[04-Aug-2011 15:41:18] <JohnnyNOC> so you're saying update zeo.conf on the collector and that's it?

[04-Aug-2011 15:41:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: If no int is specified it does all. Dont remove 8100 though

[04-Aug-2011 15:41:31] <Hackman238> straterra: No.

[04-Aug-2011 15:41:56] <Hackman238> straterra: can you send a screenshot of where your putting the transform?

[04-Aug-2011 15:42:00] <JohnnyNOC> so you're saying   address localhost:8100

[04-Aug-2011 15:42:05] <straterra> I put it under /Unknown

[04-Aug-2011 15:42:05] <JohnnyNOC> becomes address :8100 ?

[04-Aug-2011 15:42:15] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: No, jsut 8100

[04-Aug-2011 15:42:56] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: my zen in hkg

[04-Aug-2011 15:42:59] <Hackman238> <zeo> address 8100 read-only false invalidation-queue-size 10000 # pid-filename $INSTANCE/var/ZEO.pid # monitor-address PORT # transaction-timeout SECONDS

[04-Aug-2011 15:43:03] <Hackman238> </zeo>

[04-Aug-2011 15:43:09] <Hackman238> Its so I can remotely dmd

[04-Aug-2011 15:43:22] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Big warning though

[04-Aug-2011 15:43:33] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: DMD is super admin

[04-Aug-2011 15:43:52] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: If zeo binds to all int, anyone with a copy of zendmd can dmd on your box and mes stuff up

[04-Aug-2011 15:44:11] <JohnnyNOC> gotcha

[04-Aug-2011 15:44:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah good

[04-Aug-2011 15:44:20] <JohnnyNOC> i don't believ that's going to be a problem

[04-Aug-2011 15:44:28] <straterra> Hackman238: http://imgur.com/ycCd3

[04-Aug-2011 15:45:03] <Hackman238> straterra: try this transform

[04-Aug-2011 15:45:13] <Hackman238> if evt.oid.startswith('1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.1.'):

[04-Aug-2011 15:45:15] <Hackman238>    evt.summary = "ESX Alarm"

[04-Aug-2011 15:45:32] <straterra> Without the for?

[04-Aug-2011 15:45:50] <Hackman238> straterra: The other might not work since it specifies the whole oid, so when a = a, a doesnt start with a, it is a.

[04-Aug-2011 15:46:05] <Hackman238> straterra: Also removed iteration since oid is a evt field

[04-Aug-2011 15:46:37] <Hackman238> straterra: I get the feeling tho it wont work...been one of those days

[04-Aug-2011 15:48:17] <straterra> It worked

[04-Aug-2011 15:49:23] <Hackman238> straterra: Nice

[04-Aug-2011 15:49:44] <straterra> So now, I need to move it

[04-Aug-2011 15:50:04] <Hackman238> straterra: add evt.eventClass = "/event class" under the if statement

[04-Aug-2011 15:50:06] <straterra> And get some text in the alert to have the text from 1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.20.3.1.4.1 in it

[04-Aug-2011 15:50:17] <straterra> Ok

[04-Aug-2011 15:51:49] <Hackman238> straterra: Now that you ahvea  transform to experiment with, take a look in janes paper on other event properties you can change

[04-Aug-2011 15:52:43] <straterra> That's where I'm at now

[04-Aug-2011 15:52:52] <Hackman238> straterra: Alrighty

[04-Aug-2011 15:54:43] <Hackman238> http://i.imgur.com/KAXz2.jpg

[04-Aug-2011 15:56:57] <straterra> Hackman238: Can I do exact oid matching? That starts-with line is catching more than I really want it to

[04-Aug-2011 15:57:17] <straterra> It's catching 1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.1.3 when I only really care about 1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.1.130

[04-Aug-2011 15:57:41] <Hackman238> straterra: do a if a == b

[04-Aug-2011 15:59:25] <Hackman238> rmatte: Sorry, couldnt help to set that topic

[04-Aug-2011 16:03:08] <straterra> This is likely all wrong, heh

[04-Aug-2011 16:03:10] <straterra> if evt.oid = ('1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.1.130'): evt.summary = "vSphere Alarm" evt.eventClass = "/HW/ESX" evt.message = evt.oid.'1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.20.3.1.4.1'

[04-Aug-2011 16:05:32] <Hackman238> if evt.oid == '1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.1.130':

[04-Aug-2011 16:05:44] <Hackman238>    evt.summary = 'vSphere Alarm'

[04-Aug-2011 16:05:50] <Hackman238>    evt.eventClass = '/HW/ESX'

[04-Aug-2011 16:05:59] <Hackman238>    evt.message = '1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.20.3.1.4.1'

[04-Aug-2011 16:06:16] <Hackman238> straterra: In python, compare is  ==, set is =

[04-Aug-2011 16:06:30] <straterra> Hmm..will the message literally be that SNMP number-thing..or will the text actually populate in the message?

[04-Aug-2011 16:06:52] <Hackman238> straterra: The number

[04-Aug-2011 16:07:05] <straterra> I need the text from that OID

[04-Aug-2011 16:07:20] <Hackman238> straterra: Does it show in the event anywhere?

[04-Aug-2011 16:07:28] <straterra> Yup

[04-Aug-2011 16:07:30] <straterra> http://imgur.com/6d1IT

[04-Aug-2011 16:07:41] <straterra> I got the oid from there

[04-Aug-2011 16:08:00] <Hackman238> straterra: Oh damn. IDK how to read that prop

[04-Aug-2011 16:08:43] <straterra> Atleast you're foiled too

[04-Aug-2011 16:08:46] <Hackman238> straterra: try evt.message =  getattr(evt,'1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.20.3.1.4.1')

[04-Aug-2011 16:11:12] <straterra> That worked, you brilliant brilliant man

[04-Aug-2011 16:12:33] <Hackman238> straterra: LOL thanks, but until I can figure what substrate I can pump with a 802 nm laser diode to get 535 nm output, I cant say I'm brilliant.

[04-Aug-2011 16:13:24] <straterra> I do see one glaring issue with this new dashboard

[04-Aug-2011 16:13:34] <straterra> The back button in the browser is useless

[04-Aug-2011 16:13:43] <Rickson-> Hackman238

[04-Aug-2011 16:16:15] <Hackman238> straterra: Agreed- its annoying

[04-Aug-2011 16:16:21] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Hey, how goes it?

[04-Aug-2011 16:16:39] <straterra> Hmm..so my actual notification doesn't have the correct message in it

[04-Aug-2011 16:16:51] <straterra> I got the literal text of "snmp trap 1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.1.301"

[04-Aug-2011 16:17:24] <Hackman238> straterra: from getattr(evt,'1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.20.3.1.4.1')?

[04-Aug-2011 16:17:35] <straterra> Yeah

[04-Aug-2011 16:17:50] <straterra> When I double click the event, it shows correctly but my email shows the text I just pasted

[04-Aug-2011 16:18:23] <Hackman238> straterra: can screen shot a copy of the new event?

[04-Aug-2011 16:19:02] <straterra> Oh wait..it's broken in the event too

[04-Aug-2011 16:19:07] <straterra> But..it..was working

[04-Aug-2011 16:20:03] <straterra> one sec

[04-Aug-2011 16:20:22] <straterra> It changed :/

[04-Aug-2011 16:20:33] <Hackman238> straterra: The number changed?

[04-Aug-2011 16:20:41] <straterra> It was 1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.20.3.1.4.1 but now its 1.3.6.1.4.1.6876.4.20.3.1.4.3

[04-Aug-2011 16:20:42] <straterra> yup

[04-Aug-2011 16:21:16] <straterra> I triggered the alert using a different power supply..that sucks that it doesn't stay the same

[04-Aug-2011 16:21:20] <Hackman238> straterra: Ah...you'll need to use that for loop like code I first had you try

[04-Aug-2011 16:21:53] <straterra> What about this...

[04-Aug-2011 16:24:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: Hows it going?

[04-Aug-2011 16:24:26] <Rickson-> Hackman238 well i have been other assigments at work so i havnt been able to look into zenoss until now

[04-Aug-2011 16:25:04] <Rickson-> would like like do give me abit more help in the troubleshooting, if you remember my error...

[04-Aug-2011 16:25:05] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Ah gotcha

[04-Aug-2011 16:25:14] <Hackman238> Rickson-: I dont, Im sorry. What was it?

[04-Aug-2011 16:25:27] <Rickson-> the report that was missing, unable to create new ones

[04-Aug-2011 16:25:39] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Oh right.

[04-Aug-2011 16:25:55] <Rickson-> you gave me some instruction of code to write in the zendmd among other stuff'

[04-Aug-2011 16:26:01] <Hackman238> What was the last thing I had you run?

[04-Aug-2011 16:27:43] <straterra> Hackman238: http://pastebin.com/ScFQXU77

[04-Aug-2011 16:27:46] <straterra> How about that?

[04-Aug-2011 16:28:12] <straterra> For every attribute with the evt, check to see if it starts with that oid. If it does, get it and make it our message

[04-Aug-2011 16:28:40] <Rickson-> well i cant remember fully but i vpn+rdp to my admin pc at work, and i had a ssh session open still, i it gave me this error http://pastebin.com/KGAjABvS

[04-Aug-2011 16:28:52] <Hackman238> straterra: Nice

[04-Aug-2011 16:28:54] <straterra> Does that seem like it'd work?

[04-Aug-2011 16:29:12] <Rickson-> the others sessions have died unfortunely

[04-Aug-2011 16:29:39] <Hackman238> straterra: yes

[04-Aug-2011 16:30:33] <straterra> didnt work

[04-Aug-2011 16:30:34] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Did we run zenchkrels -x1 -r?

[04-Aug-2011 16:30:35] <straterra> sdfkljasdfkl

[04-Aug-2011 16:31:18] <straterra> I missed a colon...darn python

[04-Aug-2011 16:31:34] <Rickson-> yes but i dont really remember what the result was

[04-Aug-2011 16:31:58] <Rickson-> should i try again, what "program" should i run it in?

[04-Aug-2011 16:32:13] <Hackman238> Rickson-: su zenoss; zenchkrels -x1 -r

[04-Aug-2011 16:32:31] <rmatte> backup restore completed

[04-Aug-2011 16:32:34] <rmatte> took a snapshot

[04-Aug-2011 16:32:36] <rmatte> booting up...

[04-Aug-2011 16:32:55] <rmatte> the restore is from Sunday, and I backed up the perf data before bringing the old server down

[04-Aug-2011 16:34:10] <Hackman238> straterra: remove oid from between attr and startswith

[04-Aug-2011 16:34:16] <Rickson-> Hackman238 http://pastebin.com/YV1cjt18

[04-Aug-2011 16:34:18] <Hackman238> rmatte: Alrighty

[04-Aug-2011 16:34:46] <Hackman238> Rickson-: su zenoss; zendmd

[04-Aug-2011 16:34:57] <Hackman238> for i in dmd.getSubObjects():

[04-Aug-2011 16:34:58] <Hackman238>    try:

[04-Aug-2011 16:35:07] <Hackman238>       i.checkRelations(repair=True)

[04-Aug-2011 16:35:09] <Hackman238>    except:

[04-Aug-2011 16:35:12] <Hackman238>       pass

[04-Aug-2011 16:35:16] <Rickson-> its when it checks the reports that i get error, ok

[04-Aug-2011 16:35:20] <Hackman238> {double rtrn}

[04-Aug-2011 16:35:54] <straterra> Hackman238: I think I found a better way..if it works

[04-Aug-2011 16:36:00] <rmatte> now I get to wait for this filesystem scan to finish (again)

[04-Aug-2011 16:36:03] <straterra>  for attr in dir(evt):

[04-Aug-2011 16:36:03] <straterra>   if attr.startswith('Name'):

[04-Aug-2011 16:36:04] <straterra>    evt.message = getattr(evt,attr)

[04-Aug-2011 16:36:22] <straterra> The message string always starts with the text "Name"

[04-Aug-2011 16:36:22] <rmatte> Hackman238: the interesting thing will be to see if Zenoss comes up ok or not

[04-Aug-2011 16:37:00] <Hackman238> straterra: That will work

[04-Aug-2011 16:37:14] <Hackman238> rmatte: Agreed

[04-Aug-2011 16:37:25] <Hackman238> rmatte: either way, zenfixit that puppy

[04-Aug-2011 16:37:34] <rmatte> yup

[04-Aug-2011 16:37:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: probably pack zeo first

[04-Aug-2011 16:37:43] <rmatte> that'll fix broken relations, yeh?

[04-Aug-2011 16:37:53] <rmatte> ok, I'll zeopack then give it a go

[04-Aug-2011 16:37:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: zenfixit targets specific stuff

[04-Aug-2011 16:38:08] <Hackman238> rmatte: zenchkrels does all resolvable rels

[04-Aug-2011 16:38:08] <rmatte> k

[04-Aug-2011 16:38:18] <rmatte> I'll do zenchkrels first

[04-Aug-2011 16:38:21] <straterra> Hackman238: didn't work..for some reason

[04-Aug-2011 16:38:23] <rmatte> then a dmd check

[04-Aug-2011 16:38:27] <rmatte> then zenfixit

[04-Aug-2011 16:38:31] <rmatte> want to cover all bases

[04-Aug-2011 16:38:33] <Hackman238> rmatte: The iterative checkRels in dmd checks everything, if its broke, fsck it, move on

[04-Aug-2011 16:39:05] <rmatte> it repairs if you issue the repair option though, no?

[04-Aug-2011 16:39:18] <straterra> Now comes the debugging

[04-Aug-2011 16:40:02] <Hackman238> rmatte: yes

[04-Aug-2011 16:40:05] <Hackman238> straterra: Yep

[04-Aug-2011 16:40:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: Well it tries

[04-Aug-2011 16:40:25] <Hackman238> rmatte: If it fails you'll know

[04-Aug-2011 16:40:29] <rmatte> yup

[04-Aug-2011 16:40:45] <Hackman238> rmatte: zendmd will look like you just hit a python deer with your car

[04-Aug-2011 16:40:47] <straterra> Hmm..is there a better way to debug this than to set an attribute and retrigger, wait for event, check it, repeat?

[04-Aug-2011 16:40:50] <rmatte> lol

[04-Aug-2011 16:40:57] <straterra> Like a log debugging print or something?

[04-Aug-2011 16:42:13] <Hackman238> straterra: Probably, but I dont know it

[04-Aug-2011 16:42:21] <Hackman238> straterra: You could packet capture and packet rexmit

[04-Aug-2011 16:42:31] <Hackman238> straterra: Simulated traps by replaying them

[04-Aug-2011 16:42:40] <straterra> Oooh

[04-Aug-2011 16:42:44] <straterra> That's a good idea

[04-Aug-2011 16:42:55] <rmatte> you can probably also get software that fakes traps

[04-Aug-2011 16:42:58] <straterra> Sounds like a project for tomorrow

[04-Aug-2011 16:43:03] <rmatte> I know you can for syslog

[04-Aug-2011 16:43:14] <straterra> rmatte: I was just going to use perl..I'm 99% confident theres a module for generating traps

[04-Aug-2011 16:43:21] <rmatte> probably

[04-Aug-2011 16:43:41] <Hackman238> Yep good idea

[04-Aug-2011 16:44:05] <straterra> http://search.cpan.org/~dtown/Net-SNMP-v6.0.1/lib/Net/SNMP.pm#trap()_-_send_a_SNMP_trap_to_the_remote_manager yay

[04-Aug-2011 16:47:12] <Rickson-> Hackman238  should i commit then after i write that?

[04-Aug-2011 16:47:28] <Hackman238> Rickson-: two return

[04-Aug-2011 16:47:32] <Rickson-> yes

[04-Aug-2011 16:47:34] <Hackman238> Rickson-: then commit()

[04-Aug-2011 16:47:49] <Rickson-> done

[04-Aug-2011 16:47:49] <rmatte> unhunh, so I boot it up and there's no network connectivity, lovely

[04-Aug-2011 16:47:56] <Rickson-> should i try the same thing?

[04-Aug-2011 16:47:56] <rmatte> now to try to figure out what's causing that

[04-Aug-2011 16:48:10] <Rickson-> the check

[04-Aug-2011 16:48:30] <Hackman238> *plugs NIC back in to keep the insanity going*

[04-Aug-2011 16:48:40] <rmatte> lol

[04-Aug-2011 16:48:53] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Okay, CTRL + D  then zenchkrels -x1 -r

[04-Aug-2011 16:50:17] <Rickson-> still failing on the reports, http://pastebin.com/gTzpegZv

[04-Aug-2011 16:51:00] <Hackman238> Rickson-: In the UI lets delete a and as

[04-Aug-2011 16:51:16] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 so i removed localhost from zeo.conf and no interface is litening on 8100 nor is there anything in the log

[04-Aug-2011 16:51:38] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Did you zeoctl stop; zeoctl start?

[04-Aug-2011 16:51:40] <JohnnyNOC> but i don't understand, if zope is running on localhost:8100 on the master

[04-Aug-2011 16:51:45] <JohnnyNOC> i restarted everything

[04-Aug-2011 16:52:07] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Zope connects to zeo at 8100 and listens on 8080

[04-Aug-2011 16:52:27] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Can paste your zeo.conf?

[04-Aug-2011 16:52:51] <JohnnyNOC> zope on the master connects to my collector on port 8100 is what you're saying?

[04-Aug-2011 16:53:07] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 actually, i can't

[04-Aug-2011 16:53:10] <JohnnyNOC> but i'll email you

[04-Aug-2011 16:53:14] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: No, zeo is the zodb server. Zope connects to zeo

[04-Aug-2011 16:53:17] <JohnnyNOC> fucking proxy won't allow us to use shit like pastebin

[04-Aug-2011 16:53:30] <straterra> rmatte: Don't feel too bad, I just put the array on my test server in to defunct mode \O/

[04-Aug-2011 16:53:41] <rmatte> eugh, this network issue is annoying, was hoping it would just come up and work

[04-Aug-2011 16:53:50] <Hackman238> rmatte: Sorry man

[04-Aug-2011 16:54:04] <rmatte> meh, nothing to apologize about, not your fault lol

[04-Aug-2011 16:54:24] <rmatte> well, the ZenPack did have something to do with it evidently... but it could have happened with any pack

[04-Aug-2011 16:54:57] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL. after all the cleanup, tar the zenoss dir up and reinstall the packs

[04-Aug-2011 16:55:06] <rmatte> the zenoss daemons are starting up now though

[04-Aug-2011 16:55:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: Worst case restore is as easy as catching a ball in a cup (family guy ref)

[04-Aug-2011 16:55:24] <rmatte> nah don't need to tar it, I took a snapshot

[04-Aug-2011 16:55:46] <rmatte> if I want to restore now it takes 2 seconds

[04-Aug-2011 16:56:09] <Keo-w> anyone know of a plugin taht monitors a website based off load times. if load time gets slow it alerts?

[04-Aug-2011 16:56:22] <rmatte> Keo-w: yes, HttpMonitor ZenPack

[04-Aug-2011 16:56:39] <rmatte> Keo-w: there's also the Synthetic Transactions ZenPack that you might also like to take a look at

[04-Aug-2011 16:56:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: True true

[04-Aug-2011 16:56:46] <rmatte> but HttpMonitor sounds like what you want

[04-Aug-2011 16:57:58] <Rickson-> Hackman238 now the check run without error, but the reports are still missing, and i still cant create new ones

[04-Aug-2011 16:58:23] <Keo-w> rmatte thanks i will check it out

[04-Aug-2011 16:58:40] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: You'll also want to make sure the firewall on the zenoss master opens port 8100

[04-Aug-2011 16:58:57] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Okay, thats a start LOL

[04-Aug-2011 16:59:12] <Hackman238> Rickson-: su zenoss; cd $ZENHOME/Products/ZenReports

[04-Aug-2011 16:59:19] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 well there must be some miscommunication here and most likely i just odn't know wtf i'm talking about

[04-Aug-2011 16:59:24] <JohnnyNOC> but i started zeo and tried to fire up zendmd

[04-Aug-2011 16:59:37] <JohnnyNOC> and i see an error message about it trying to connect to my master on port 8100

[04-Aug-2011 16:59:49] <JohnnyNOC> but it's running on 127.0.0.1:8100

[04-Aug-2011 17:00:04] <rmatte> Hackman238: I just remembered what I had to do to fix the network issues...

[04-Aug-2011 17:00:06] <rmatte> rm /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent-net.rules

[04-Aug-2011 17:00:33] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: zendmd is trying to connect to 127.0.0.1:8100 despite you passing -h your host ip -p8100?

[04-Aug-2011 17:00:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah

[04-Aug-2011 17:00:55] <JohnnyNOC> ah

[04-Aug-2011 17:01:05] <rmatte> just did it, booting back up now, should hopefully come up without issue now

[04-Aug-2011 17:01:34] <rmatte> yeh looks good now, mounted the nfs share fine

[04-Aug-2011 17:01:40] <Hackman238> rmatte: nice

[04-Aug-2011 17:01:59] <Hackman238> Rickson-: in that dir, python ReportLoader.py --force

[04-Aug-2011 17:02:04] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Then zopectl rstart

[04-Aug-2011 17:02:44] <Rickson-> yes

[04-Aug-2011 17:03:05] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Did the ReportLoader do a bunch of stuff?

[04-Aug-2011 17:04:26] <Rickson-> 2011-08-05 01:02:55,421 INFO zen.ReportLoader: loading: /Device Reports/Model Collection Age

[04-Aug-2011 17:04:27] <Rickson-> 2011-08-05 01:02:55,445 INFO zen.ReportLoader: loading: /Device Reports/Software Inventory

[04-Aug-2011 17:04:27] <Rickson-> 2011-08-05 01:02:55,467 INFO zen.ReportLoader: loading: /Device Reports/Device Changes

[04-Aug-2011 17:04:27] <Rickson-> 2011-08-05 01:02:55,491 INFO zen.ReportLoader: loading: /Device Reports/SNMP Status Issues

[04-Aug-2011 17:04:27] <Rickson-> etc

[04-Aug-2011 17:04:30] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 again i'm confused, i think i've confused you

[04-Aug-2011 17:05:08] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Alrighty. Try the reports

[04-Aug-2011 17:05:32] <Rickson-> restart zenoss before?

[04-Aug-2011 17:05:45] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Na, just zopectl restart

[04-Aug-2011 17:05:54] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hum. LOL

[04-Aug-2011 17:06:08] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: After editing zeo.conf, does zenoss work?

[04-Aug-2011 17:06:19] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Editing and restarting all of zenoss

[04-Aug-2011 17:07:09] <JohnnyNOC> i just put everything back as is

[04-Aug-2011 17:07:11] <JohnnyNOC> and am trying again

[04-Aug-2011 17:07:28] <JohnnyNOC> but i dont' think i know what i'm doing

[04-Aug-2011 17:07:28] <JohnnyNOC> heh

[04-Aug-2011 17:07:35] <JohnnyNOC> but that's ok, cuz i'll just go back

[04-Aug-2011 17:07:44] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I'm not sure what your trying to do

[04-Aug-2011 17:07:54] <JohnnyNOC> i have a zenoss master, and a remote collector

[04-Aug-2011 17:08:01] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: The zenoss master has zope and zeo

[04-Aug-2011 17:08:03] <JohnnyNOC> i want to write scripts ont he remote collector that utilize dmd

[04-Aug-2011 17:08:10] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Zeo is the zope database server

[04-Aug-2011 17:08:17] <Rickson-> Hackman238 same problem, i tried run zopectl in fg, i got this error http://pastebin.com/pJqTbRge

[04-Aug-2011 17:08:22] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Gotcha

[04-Aug-2011 17:09:08] <JohnnyNOC> so, i've updated zeo.conf on the master to have zeo running on 0.0.0.0.:8100

[04-Aug-2011 17:09:13] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: In that case you'll need to have zeo.conf set to only 8100 so when zeo is stopped and restarted it binds to everything. You'll also need to open the firewall rules and path. On the remote collectors you can then zendmd -h master.fqdn -p8100

[04-Aug-2011 17:09:17] <JohnnyNOC> and i've done the same on the remote collector to use remotehost:8100

[04-Aug-2011 17:09:34] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: The remote doesnt run zeo

[04-Aug-2011 17:09:47] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: If it is, turn it off. Zeo only runs on the zope master

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[04-Aug-2011 17:10:25] <JohnnyNOC> it's off

[04-Aug-2011 17:10:55] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Gotcha. Zeo and zope only run on the master

[04-Aug-2011 17:11:09] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: collecotrs can connect back to the master for zeo/zope operations

[04-Aug-2011 17:11:20] <JohnnyNOC> yes, i think i've got that going now

[04-Aug-2011 17:11:30] <JohnnyNOC> but i see a slight problem - it's complaining about some ldap plugin/module

[04-Aug-2011 17:11:43] <JohnnyNOC> ImportError: No module named ldap

[04-Aug-2011 17:11:43] <JohnnyNOC> 2011-08-04 16:11:02 ERROR Application Couldn't install LDAPUserFolder

[04-Aug-2011 17:11:56] <JohnnyNOC> but i was able to iterate through devices via zend

[04-Aug-2011 17:12:22] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: This is zendmd from a collector?

[04-Aug-2011 17:12:31] <JohnnyNOC> yes

[04-Aug-2011 17:12:35] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Okay good.

[04-Aug-2011 17:12:46] <JohnnyNOC> but new question

[04-Aug-2011 17:12:52] <JohnnyNOC> how do i pass the host/port in my scripts?

[04-Aug-2011 17:12:53] <JohnnyNOC> dmd = ZenScriptBase(connect=True).dmd

[04-Aug-2011 17:12:59] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: You need to use the same instructions you used to install the ldap modules on the master on the collector

[04-Aug-2011 17:13:08] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 *nod*

[04-Aug-2011 17:13:58] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: You'll need to grep the zenhome/products for "class ZenScriptBase" and figure the means to pass the host or wire it in directly

[04-Aug-2011 17:14:19] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: They didnt want people to do this so its not coded and not obvious until you look in that class

[04-Aug-2011 17:14:28] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Darn

[04-Aug-2011 17:14:56] <Hackman238> Rickson-: I think your report class is just caput

[04-Aug-2011 17:15:15] <Hackman238> Rickson-: You might need to export your devices and reimport then in to a fresh build

[04-Aug-2011 17:15:24] <Rickson-> oh

[04-Aug-2011 17:15:26] <Rickson-> well

[04-Aug-2011 17:15:35] <Rickson-> if thats what it takes

[04-Aug-2011 17:15:49] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Let me think about it

[04-Aug-2011 17:15:55] <Hackman238> I'm usually in here

[04-Aug-2011 17:16:05] <Hackman238> I have to run

[04-Aug-2011 17:16:12] <Rickson-> but honestly, maybe thats the best

[04-Aug-2011 17:16:26] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Probably would be

[04-Aug-2011 17:16:32] <Hackman238> Later all!

[04-Aug-2011 17:16:43] <Rickson-> its always stuff that you do wrong the first time you install zenoss anyway

[04-Aug-2011 17:16:59] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Very true

[04-Aug-2011 17:17:11] <Keo-w> Add Device Class / Organizer Under the left navigation menu, under ‘Classes’, click on ‘Devices’ Under the dropdown table menu for ‘Sub-Devices’, click ‘Add New Organizer...’

[04-Aug-2011 17:17:12] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 see ya thanks for the help

[04-Aug-2011 17:17:20] <Rickson-> Hackman238 but thx for the help

[04-Aug-2011 17:17:25] <Keo-w> I'm like looking all over and i must be blind

[04-Aug-2011 17:19:40] <rmatte> this is so dumb...

[04-Aug-2011 17:19:43] <rmatte> [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/perf/Daemons'

[04-Aug-2011 17:20:03] <rmatte> I did chown -R zenoss:zenoss and chmod -R 644 on the whole perf directory

[04-Aug-2011 17:20:17] <rmatte> and I keep getting permission denied for the daemons directory when I try to run zenperfsnmp

[04-Aug-2011 17:20:25] <rmatte> this is after I copied backups of RRDs that I had

[04-Aug-2011 17:20:26] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte

[04-Aug-2011 17:20:42] <JohnnyNOC> i had a similar problem and it turned out the zenoss user was in the wrong group

[04-Aug-2011 17:20:53] <JohnnyNOC> obviously if you're doing zenoss:zenoss that's prob not the issue

[04-Aug-2011 17:21:03] <rmatte> that's impossible, it was working prior to me copying the RRDs in and wiping out the original permissions

[04-Aug-2011 17:22:31] <JohnnyNOC> maybe it needs +x too

[04-Aug-2011 17:22:35] <JohnnyNOC> chmod 655

[04-Aug-2011 17:23:03] <rmatte> nope, still a no go

[04-Aug-2011 17:23:15] <JohnnyNOC> will you show the perms on that dir?

[04-Aug-2011 17:23:20] <rmatte> hmmm, I'm going to try 777 for the heck of it

[04-Aug-2011 17:23:55] <rmatte> yeh so 777 works fine

[04-Aug-2011 17:23:58] <rmatte> 655 doesn't

[04-Aug-2011 17:24:10] <JohnnyNOC> my dev dir is 0750

[04-Aug-2011 17:24:12] <JohnnyNOC> er

[04-Aug-2011 17:24:13] <JohnnyNOC> devices

[04-Aug-2011 17:24:52] <JohnnyNOC> so maybe everyone needs the x bit

[04-Aug-2011 17:25:59] <rmatte> bingo, 0750 is exactly what I needed

[04-Aug-2011 17:26:09] <rmatte> thanks

[04-Aug-2011 17:26:29] <JohnnyNOC> np... ever.

[04-Aug-2011 17:28:56] <rmatte> thank god we had a backup lol

[04-Aug-2011 17:29:18] <rmatte> lesson learned, snapshot no matter what when installing ZenPacks

[04-Aug-2011 17:29:51] <rmatte> alright, now to snapshot again and then run some fixes

[04-Aug-2011 17:32:11] <JohnnyNOC> sweet

[04-Aug-2011 17:32:53] <rmatte> Well, I wasn't planning on going to the bar tonight but I do believe that this episode has changed my mind

[04-Aug-2011 17:33:17] <rmatte> I need a scotch rocks or something after this lol

[04-Aug-2011 17:33:34] <JohnnyNOC> 2x

[04-Aug-2011 17:33:35] <JohnnyNOC>

[04-Aug-2011 17:35:21] <rmatte> yeh

[04-Aug-2011 17:35:22] <rmatte> lol

[04-Aug-2011 17:36:17] <rmatte> I'm going to try just installing the pack again without running any fixes first... I'm thinking that when the pack install failed because the reports organizer didn't exist that that may have been where things screwed up

[04-Aug-2011 17:36:20] <rmatte> no harm in checking

[04-Aug-2011 17:36:25] <JohnnyNOC> which pack was it btw?

[04-Aug-2011 17:36:30] <JohnnyNOC> i wasn't paying attention to your episdoe

[04-Aug-2011 17:36:32] <rmatte> Shane's IPSLA pack

[04-Aug-2011 17:36:32] <JohnnyNOC> episode

[04-Aug-2011 17:36:38] <JohnnyNOC> ah

[04-Aug-2011 17:36:41] <JohnnyNOC> that bastard

[04-Aug-2011 17:36:43] <rmatte> I've installed it on several other boxes without episode though

[04-Aug-2011 17:36:58] <rmatte> well, the error that I first encountered installing it was my fault

[04-Aug-2011 17:37:06] <rmatte> I've done a few updates to the pack including adding some report

[04-Aug-2011 17:37:16] <rmatte> and I had forgotten to have it automatically create the reports organizer

[04-Aug-2011 17:37:28] <rmatte> but I don't know if it error out during install like that was the cause of not

[04-Aug-2011 17:38:02] <JohnnyNOC> in my brief experience with zenoss it sounds like something that would do it

[04-Aug-2011 17:38:02] <rmatte> taking a live snapshot right now, takes forever

[04-Aug-2011 17:38:30] <rmatte> well, I've never seen anything like this before, so he's probably right that there's so underlying issue in the database that caused it

[04-Aug-2011 17:38:39] <rmatte> some underlying*

[04-Aug-2011 17:39:42] <JohnnyNOC> does all that zenchkrels and zenfixit stuff helpful?

[04-Aug-2011 17:39:53] <JohnnyNOC> i assume yes of course, curious how it worked for you in this exercise

[04-Aug-2011 17:40:10] <rmatte> well it may be now that I'm back to before the pack was installed

[04-Aug-2011 17:40:17] <rmatte> but after the pack was installed none of that stuff worked

[04-Aug-2011 17:40:29] <rmatte> once this snapshot is done I'll be able to test

[04-Aug-2011 17:41:05] <rmatte> I still have the broken VM saved

[04-Aug-2011 17:41:17] <rmatte> I'm tempted to boot it up in my lab vlan and take a stab at actually fixing it

[04-Aug-2011 17:41:40] <JohnnyNOC> i thought you were goin gto go drink

[04-Aug-2011 17:41:41] <JohnnyNOC> :X

[04-Aug-2011 17:41:57] <rmatte> I can't yet, I still need to fix this and get the IPSLA pack installed

[04-Aug-2011 17:42:21] <rmatte> this snapshot is taking forever

[04-Aug-2011 17:50:37] <JohnnyNOC> good luck

[04-Aug-2011 17:50:40] <JohnnyNOC> i'm off for home

[04-Aug-2011 17:50:43] <JohnnyNOC> cheers rmatte

[04-Aug-2011 18:00:31] <rmatte> later

[04-Aug-2011 18:04:42] <rmatte> so I just installed the pack without doing any fixes and it seems to have worked so far...

[04-Aug-2011 18:05:06] <rmatte> now to create the IPSLA classes and assign devices to them

[04-Aug-2011 18:16:39] <rmatte> still so far so good

[04-Aug-2011 18:37:33] <rmatte> all is well now

[04-Aug-2011 18:49:06] <rmatte> there, finally done

[04-Aug-2011 18:49:07] <rmatte> home time

[04-Aug-2011 18:49:51] <simonjj> straterra

[04-Aug-2011 18:50:02] <simonjj> you still around ?

[04-Aug-2011 19:01:35] <straterra> simonjj: yessir

[04-Aug-2011 19:14:34] <simonjj> you wanna replay traps

[04-Aug-2011 19:14:38] <simonjj> I gather?

[04-Aug-2011 19:14:46] <straterra> yeah

[04-Aug-2011 19:14:58] <simonjj> into Zenoss?

[04-Aug-2011 19:14:59] <straterra> so i dont have to run into the server room and unplug a psu

[04-Aug-2011 19:15:04] <straterra> yes

[04-Aug-2011 19:15:32] <simonjj> do you know that you can have zentrap capture any trap it receives and have it play it back?

[04-Aug-2011 19:15:43] <straterra> no

[04-Aug-2011 19:15:56] <straterra> thats lunacy

[04-Aug-2011 19:16:21] <simonjj> yeah take a look at zentrap --help

[04-Aug-2011 19:16:26] <straterra> will do

[04-Aug-2011 19:16:48] <simonjj> actually sorry, zentrap help

[04-Aug-2011 19:16:50] <simonjj> no --

[04-Aug-2011 19:16:59] <straterra> alrighty

[04-Aug-2011 19:17:34] <simonjj> --captureFilePrefix and --replayFilePrefix

[04-Aug-2011 19:17:40] <simonjj> those are your friends

[04-Aug-2011 19:17:45] <straterra> thats awesome

[04-Aug-2011 19:17:55] <straterra> where were you yesterday?

[04-Aug-2011 19:18:34] <simonjj> I make myself pretty thin around here.... should be here more often...

[04-Aug-2011 19:18:38] <simonjj> that's why I am here now

[04-Aug-2011 19:18:50] <straterra> no problem...im just pulling your leg

[04-Aug-2011 19:21:21] <straterra> thanks for the capture/replay tip

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[05-Aug-2011 03:11:22] <Morthez> The installation of ZenPacks.HP.Proliant.MIBs failed. Any one got any idea on how i can get it back up and running again?

[05-Aug-2011 03:12:46] <Morthez> was able to remove it now.

[05-Aug-2011 03:18:12] <fragfutter> Morthez: did you install it through the web or cli?

[05-Aug-2011 03:18:40] <Morthez> I think the pack was installed via web :/

[05-Aug-2011 03:18:53] <Morthez> I know it says "Intall via CLI"

[05-Aug-2011 03:19:06] <fragfutter> i would guess something it timed out. it contains a lot of mibs

[05-Aug-2011 03:19:07] <Morthez> It was a colleage of mine that did that installation

[05-Aug-2011 03:21:29] <Morthez> another question, does the search function in web support regex or anything so that i can filter out all IPs ending with .20?

[05-Aug-2011 03:23:39] <fragfutter> Morthez: i don't think the web interface supports it.

[05-Aug-2011 03:24:09] <Morthez> is it possible to move devices between device classes with cli?

[05-Aug-2011 03:24:21] <fragfutter> yes

[05-Aug-2011 03:25:05] <fragfutter> Morthez: but don't ask me. i needed to dump my zenoss installation

[05-Aug-2011 03:25:26] <Morthez> hehe, why?

[05-Aug-2011 03:25:52] <fragfutter> too complicated for the other admins. they got scared.

[05-Aug-2011 03:26:31] <Morthez> so what are you using now?

[05-Aug-2011 03:26:42] <fragfutter> don't ask.

[05-Aug-2011 03:26:54] <Morthez> let me guess.. SCOM?

[05-Aug-2011 04:01:18] <Morthez> Any one got any experice with monitoring Nortel's?

[05-Aug-2011 04:08:26] <fragfutter> Morthez: try to ask later. channel is normaly busier in the evening (for your TZ).

[05-Aug-2011 04:41:37] <tsener> http://animalsbeingdicks.com/page/1

[05-Aug-2011 05:26:24] <luizzmizz> hi!

[05-Aug-2011 05:26:58] <luizzmizz> i'm trying to retrieve the description attribute from a IpNetwork object via zendmd...

[05-Aug-2011 05:27:05] <luizzmizz> any hints? anyone?

[05-Aug-2011 07:10:12] <Morthez> fragfutter: ay! Thanks for the tip

[05-Aug-2011 08:12:19] <photon001> Hi everyone

[05-Aug-2011 08:12:42] <photon001> Once I add MIBs to Zenoss, can I remove them from /site ?

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[05-Aug-2011 09:55:35] <straterra> Looks like both of my x346 test servers are kaput

[05-Aug-2011 09:55:53] <straterra> Yay

[05-Aug-2011 09:59:16] <nyeates> 346?

[05-Aug-2011 10:01:38] <Hackman238> Hello all!

[05-Aug-2011 10:02:01] <Hackman238> straterra: Whats up?

[05-Aug-2011 10:02:16] <Hackman238> nyeates: How goes it?

[05-Aug-2011 10:02:27] <Hackman238> photon001: You can, but I wouldnt

[05-Aug-2011 10:02:43] <Hackman238> photon001: The mibs, once in zenoss, are zope objects

[05-Aug-2011 10:03:09] <Hackman238> photon001: Do yourself a huge favor. Once you get your mibs jsut right, create a new zenpack and add the mibs to the zenpack.

[05-Aug-2011 10:04:34] <straterra> nyeates: Ibm x346

[05-Aug-2011 10:04:37] <straterra> It's an ancient server

[05-Aug-2011 10:04:45] <straterra> Hackman238: nothing much..my Zenoss testing servers bit the dust

[05-Aug-2011 10:05:31] <Hackman238> straterra: Oh man, sorry

[05-Aug-2011 10:05:40] <Hackman238> straterra: I work with IBMs often, whats the symptoms?

[05-Aug-2011 10:05:49] <Hackman238> straterra: Rather I used to

[05-Aug-2011 10:06:33] <straterra> Well, I degraded one of the arrays on purpose...booting the serveraid cd results in a failure of the DPPM module

[05-Aug-2011 10:06:49] <straterra> On the other one, you turn it on and half of the diagnostic board's lights go orange..so..its really screwed

[05-Aug-2011 10:06:50] <Hackman238> straterra: Downgraded the firmware?

[05-Aug-2011 10:07:02] <straterra> Can't boot the CD to touch the firmware, sadly

[05-Aug-2011 10:07:19] <Hackman238> straterra: On the other one, which lights are on?

[05-Aug-2011 10:07:20] <straterra> I have a brand new x3630 I can steal to test with though..so its all good

[05-Aug-2011 10:07:29] <Hackman238> straterra: Ah...way better server

[05-Aug-2011 10:08:12] <straterra> vrm, temp, brd, pcib, nmi

[05-Aug-2011 10:08:14] <Hackman238> straterra: turn those old boxes in to vm hosts

[05-Aug-2011 10:08:24] <Hackman238> straterra: did you try resetting the nmi?

[05-Aug-2011 10:08:43] <straterra> nah..theyre going in the trash. they dont have vt, so they wont run 64 bit guests

[05-Aug-2011 10:08:44] <Hackman238> straterra: Also, if it has a mngmt card, pull it, boot, kill it, put it back.

[05-Aug-2011 10:08:46] <straterra> i did not

[05-Aug-2011 10:08:51] <straterra> no mgmt card

[05-Aug-2011 10:09:05] <Hackman238> straterra: Oh no VT exts?

[05-Aug-2011 10:09:15] <Hackman238> straterra: Yeah might as well turn them in for the metal value

[05-Aug-2011 10:09:21] <Hackman238> straterra: LOL

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[05-Aug-2011 10:39:03] <photon001> <Hackman238> : That's what I'm doing, I have a VM in which I install them. Thanks

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[05-Aug-2011 10:52:17] <Morthez> Any one got any experice with monitoring Nortel Passports??

[05-Aug-2011 10:52:30] <Morthez> docs/DOC-3522

[05-Aug-2011 10:53:07] <Morthez> It does't get all the interfaces + graphs arn't working

[05-Aug-2011 11:14:49] <Hackman238> Morthez: Sorry, no.

[05-Aug-2011 11:29:37] <Hackman238> Have to run. Later all

[05-Aug-2011 11:46:09] <photon001> later

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[05-Aug-2011 12:51:03] <SEJeff> Is there an Arista zenpack?

[05-Aug-2011 14:54:49] <kickehy> Hi all, anyone mind helping a zenoss noob get his graphs working correctly? (and i've installed snmp-informant already)

[05-Aug-2011 15:10:00] <rmatte> kickehy: you don't need snmp-informant

[05-Aug-2011 15:10:03] <rmatte> it's a waste of time using that

[05-Aug-2011 15:10:20] <rmatte> uninstall it and just use the standard windows SNMP agent

[05-Aug-2011 15:10:57] <rmatte> you can use one of these ZenPacks to do the cpu/memory monitoring:

[05-Aug-2011 15:10:58] <rmatte> docs/DOC-3570

[05-Aug-2011 15:11:04] <rmatte> docs/DOC-3386

[05-Aug-2011 15:11:42] <kickehy> thanks, I'll take a look

[05-Aug-2011 15:13:46] <kickehy> would it be worth it to upgrade from 3.0.1 to 3.1 first?

[05-Aug-2011 15:13:52] <rmatte> yes, very much so

[05-Aug-2011 15:13:57] <rmatte> 3.1 has tons of bug fixes in it

[05-Aug-2011 15:18:00] <rmatte> ...and just to point out, 3.2 is due out at the end of the month / early next month

[05-Aug-2011 15:18:12] <rmatte> with a ton more fixes/changes

[05-Aug-2011 15:18:16] <rmatte> blogs/zenossblog/2011/08/04/zenoss-core-320-feature-and-bug-list

[05-Aug-2011 15:25:32] <jmp242> Can't wait for 3.2 ...

[05-Aug-2011 15:26:13] <rmatte> yeh, the features sound nice

[05-Aug-2011 15:26:24] <kickehy> To give myself a little background so I don't look like a complete idiot, I inherited this server from its previous owner and I have no idea what the zenoss user's password is (I do have root access though)...would it hurt to change the password of that user?

[05-Aug-2011 15:26:53] <rmatte> kickehy: you mean the zenoss user at the OS level?

[05-Aug-2011 15:26:59] <jmp242> umm, don't change the zenoss user password, use su - zenoss

[05-Aug-2011 15:27:04] <rmatte> don't bother, it's randomly set on install... just do su - zenoss

[05-Aug-2011 15:27:09] <rmatte> or sudo su - zenoss

[05-Aug-2011 15:27:26] <kickehy> ok

[05-Aug-2011 15:27:35] <kickehy> installed on CentOS

[05-Aug-2011 15:27:44] <kickehy> just for reference

[05-Aug-2011 16:20:21] * froztbyte again gets an itch to play with putting events into mongodb

[05-Aug-2011 16:20:39] <rmatte> mongodb is a pretty cool database system

[05-Aug-2011 16:20:47] <rmatte> I like the redudancy features of it

[05-Aug-2011 16:20:50] <rmatte> and shards

[05-Aug-2011 16:21:17] <froztbyte> my very biggest reasons I want to use it are easy to lob in extra storage, and it allocates/de-allocates drivespace in a sane fashion from the getgo

[05-Aug-2011 16:21:23] <froztbyte> whereas mysql you need to poke a lot

[05-Aug-2011 16:21:28] <froztbyte> and other such crap

[05-Aug-2011 16:21:31] <rmatte> yeh

[05-Aug-2011 16:22:31] <froztbyte> I have half a smart mysql->mongo converter script finished already

[05-Aug-2011 16:22:31] <SEJeff> rmatte, google "mongodb ate my data"

[05-Aug-2011 16:22:36] <froztbyte> just need to do the last bit

[05-Aug-2011 16:22:37] <SEJeff> Some of the stuff they do is a little stupid

[05-Aug-2011 16:22:53] <SEJeff> I wouldn't ever use it for anything more than scratch data

[05-Aug-2011 16:23:18] <rmatte> SEJeff: MongoDB is getting better and better lately

[05-Aug-2011 16:23:24] <rmatte> that post is from last year

[05-Aug-2011 16:23:31] <SEJeff> Oh that was just an example

[05-Aug-2011 16:23:34] <SEJeff> I've played with it

[05-Aug-2011 16:24:00] <SEJeff> rmatte, I actually prefer a more durable solution like Riak

[05-Aug-2011 16:24:09] <rmatte> We have someone who works for our company who is an expert with it and who has even contributed quite a bit of code to the projecty

[05-Aug-2011 16:24:10] <SEJeff> Or Cassandra, but Cassandra has some really stupid things

[05-Aug-2011 16:24:11] <rmatte> project*

[05-Aug-2011 16:24:16] <froztbyte> Riak is pay-for iirc

[05-Aug-2011 16:24:18] <SEJeff> Always a plus

[05-Aug-2011 16:24:23] <SEJeff> froztbyte, You're incorrect

[05-Aug-2011 16:24:40] <froztbyte> Cassandra is a pretty neat datastore, but it's definitely designed for n-node use

[05-Aug-2011 16:24:51] <SEJeff> froztbyte, basho's business model is almost just like ZenOSS's: Open Core

[05-Aug-2011 16:24:56] <froztbyte> SEJeff: that's the impression I got from the pages when I last read up about it, it might be wrong

[05-Aug-2011 16:25:12] <SEJeff> froztbyte, My good friend used to be one of the developers on riak

[05-Aug-2011 16:25:16] <rmatte> SEJeff: well, it's not so much Open Core anymore

[05-Aug-2011 16:25:23] <SEJeff> rmatte, heh

[05-Aug-2011 16:25:36] <SEJeff> froztbyte, https://github.com/basho/riak

[05-Aug-2011 16:25:37] <SEJeff> fyi

[05-Aug-2011 16:25:40] <froztbyte> although as things go you're the first person I've run into who has any Riak usage exposure

[05-Aug-2011 16:25:46] <froztbyte> rmatte: Zenoss/Riak?

[05-Aug-2011 16:25:57] <rmatte> I've never seen Riak, so no idea

[05-Aug-2011 16:26:07] <SEJeff> froztbyte, Riak powers a lot of stuff you might be surprised

[05-Aug-2011 16:26:11] <froztbyte> no, I mean the "open core" comment

[05-Aug-2011 16:26:14] <froztbyte> SEJeff: not really

[05-Aug-2011 16:26:25] <froztbyte> SEJeff: I just said I hadn't met anyone with experience in using it yet

[05-Aug-2011 16:26:28] <rmatte> I'd honestly prefer Zenoss/PostgreSQL

[05-Aug-2011 16:26:36] <rmatte> for performance reasons

[05-Aug-2011 16:26:40] <froztbyte> I know of plenty of places where it's in use

[05-Aug-2011 16:26:47] <froztbyte> rmatte: ^^ "open core" remark?

[05-Aug-2011 16:26:59] <SEJeff> froztbyte, fair enough

[05-Aug-2011 16:27:09] <rmatte> froztbyte: Zenoss isn't so much Open Core anymore with their new Enterprise product

[05-Aug-2011 16:27:20] <SEJeff> I'm actually surprised that ZSD bundles a proprietary version of mysql

[05-Aug-2011 16:27:23] <SEJeff> and didn't use drizzle

[05-Aug-2011 16:27:26] <froztbyte> was that regarding zenoss? and please don't tell me they're moving away from open, because that'll make my life suck hard in the long term

[05-Aug-2011 16:27:33] <SEJeff> froztbyte, it's true

[05-Aug-2011 16:27:34] <rmatte> It's more like, you sit over there with what was once core, we'll sit over here with enterprise, and we'll develop them seperately but toss features back and forth between them

[05-Aug-2011 16:27:38] <rmatte> it's not really what it used to be

[05-Aug-2011 16:27:46] <froztbyte> rmatte: *grumble*

[05-Aug-2011 16:28:05] <froztbyte> I suppose RHEL<->centos is another good example of things that happened in that line..

[05-Aug-2011 16:28:07] <rmatte> they won't move away from open source...

[05-Aug-2011 16:28:17] <froztbyte> with special note made of Unbreakable, of course

[05-Aug-2011 16:28:18] <rmatte> they just won't be using core as the foundation for enterprise anymore

[05-Aug-2011 16:28:24] <SEJeff> froztbyte, No not at all

[05-Aug-2011 16:28:37] <froztbyte> rmatte: that sounds friggen retarded though

[05-Aug-2011 16:28:42] <SEJeff> froztbyte, CentOS uses RHEL sources. ZenOSS Service Dynamics and Core are separate codebases

[05-Aug-2011 16:28:55] <rmatte> well... you used to be able to just take Core, apply a bunch of Zenpacks, and voila, you'd have enterprise

[05-Aug-2011 16:28:59] <froztbyte> rmatte: I mean, that's as good as a fork but without the actual benefits of anyone directly caring about core

[05-Aug-2011 16:29:12] <SEJeff> bingo

[05-Aug-2011 16:29:12] <rmatte> but with things like relstorage being introduced in enterprise but not in core, you end up with a different situation

[05-Aug-2011 16:29:33] <rmatte> froztbyte: they do still care about core or they wouldn't be releasing 3.2

[05-Aug-2011 16:29:43] <rmatte> it's just a different way of doing things

[05-Aug-2011 16:29:58] <SEJeff> "A step in the wrong direction from the community standpoint"

[05-Aug-2011 16:30:28] <rmatte> SEJeff: it is kind of weird, but their sales guys are basically driving their development

[05-Aug-2011 16:30:33] <froztbyte> SEJeff: I'm not just taking the community view here

[05-Aug-2011 16:30:35] <rmatte> so stuff like this is expected

[05-Aug-2011 16:30:48] <froztbyte> it's a shitload more opex to code things up twice

[05-Aug-2011 16:30:54] <rmatte> yup

[05-Aug-2011 16:31:00] <SEJeff> froztbyte, Nah

[05-Aug-2011 16:31:07] <SEJeff> Just code it where it makes money

[05-Aug-2011 16:31:16] <rocket> SEJeff: drizzle didnt have the features we are using ..

[05-Aug-2011 16:31:52] <froztbyte> SEJeff: which again is the point of only one branch gaining features, which causes further feature disparity

[05-Aug-2011 16:32:04] <froztbyte> which you need to catch up every once in a while to do xyz foobar whatever

[05-Aug-2011 16:32:09] <SEJeff> *shrug* it is their product

[05-Aug-2011 16:32:13] <SEJeff> THere isn't really anything better

[05-Aug-2011 16:32:20] <froztbyte> just doesn't seem worth the effort

[05-Aug-2011 16:32:26] <SEJeff> Core still spanks the pants off of nagios + cacti

[05-Aug-2011 16:32:27] <SEJeff> 10x

[05-Aug-2011 16:32:28] <froztbyte> the old approach was quite good

[05-Aug-2011 16:32:37] <SEJeff> Yeah

[05-Aug-2011 16:32:51] <SEJeff> rocket, gotcha

[05-Aug-2011 16:32:53] <rmatte> SEJeff: yeh, it really does, I try to explain that to Nagios users and they always refuse to even look at it

[05-Aug-2011 16:32:54] <rmatte> lol

[05-Aug-2011 16:32:55] <rocket> you guys are assuming the SD release is the norm ..

[05-Aug-2011 16:33:13] <froztbyte> zenoss and "nagios + cacti + cocks + php-syslog-ng + some dead babies + voodoo dances in the night" aren't really even comparable

[05-Aug-2011 16:33:18] <froztbyte> in my mind anyway

[05-Aug-2011 16:33:18] <SEJeff> rocket, Explain please

[05-Aug-2011 16:33:20] <rocket> its actually looking to be an anomally where much of SD will be released to the core if my information is correct

[05-Aug-2011 16:33:22] <froztbyte> they're just so different

[05-Aug-2011 16:33:43] <SEJeff> rocket, Lets hope so

[05-Aug-2011 16:33:51] <froztbyte> rocket: that's....I'm sorta going wtf right now

[05-Aug-2011 16:33:58] <froztbyte> rocket: not that I'm complaining

[05-Aug-2011 16:34:45] <rocket> they are trying to figure out how to release a nuetered version of SD .. which we do really need to do in order to continue making money etc

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[05-Aug-2011 16:35:46] <rocket> but even as it is .. 3.2 will be a very powerful release

[05-Aug-2011 16:37:14] <froztbyte> I'm only mildly familiar with the ZSD side of things..I should probably learn more about it

[05-Aug-2011 16:37:26] <froztbyte> rocket: how involved are you in deployments?

[05-Aug-2011 16:38:04] <SEJeff> froztbyte, the funny thing is there isn't really anything commercial better than zenoss in my experience either

[05-Aug-2011 16:38:13] <rocket> I am usually very involved .. I typically get the majority of our monster customers cases ..

[05-Aug-2011 16:38:32] <rmatte> well, I've tried a lot of commercial stuff and most of it is either extremely convoluted, or too simplified

[05-Aug-2011 16:38:32] <SEJeff> Not Hyperic, OpenView, BMC, or Nimbus at least.

[05-Aug-2011 16:38:36] <rmatte> Zenoss has a nice balance

[05-Aug-2011 16:38:39] <SEJeff> bingo

[05-Aug-2011 16:38:44] <SEJeff> And zenoss has the really nice api

[05-Aug-2011 16:38:55] <SEJeff> so you can actually build things around it and integrate with it very easily

[05-Aug-2011 16:38:55] <rmatte> well, it's completely open because of the python

[05-Aug-2011 16:38:57] <rmatte> which is killer

[05-Aug-2011 16:39:10] <rmatte> integration with other systems is a snap

[05-Aug-2011 16:39:19] <SEJeff> they could do python -m compileall /zenoss/dir and then only ship pyc files

[05-Aug-2011 16:39:25] <rmatte> you don't get that with things like Solarwinds, or OpenView

[05-Aug-2011 16:39:27] <rocket> the openness is a pro and a con .. you have no idea how many customers break stuff they dont mean to because of it

[05-Aug-2011 16:39:29] <SEJeff> Right

[05-Aug-2011 16:39:50] <rmatte> rocket: they shouldn't be working on the code if they don't know what they're doing lol

[05-Aug-2011 16:39:52] <SEJeff> rocket, You also have customers that every so often send you patches to fix it

[05-Aug-2011 16:40:09] <rocket> again a pro/con

[05-Aug-2011 16:40:22] <SEJeff> Like when I did a small patch to wmic in zenoss early 2.x to fix a security bug

[05-Aug-2011 16:40:22] <rocket> keep in mind I am a little biased coming from support ..

[05-Aug-2011 16:40:24] <SEJeff> heh

[05-Aug-2011 16:40:26] <SEJeff> of course

[05-Aug-2011 16:40:54] <rocket> most customers *think* they know what they are doing.  Which is our fault for not training/educating them better etc

[05-Aug-2011 16:41:02] <SEJeff> rocket, Do you work under rachel?

[05-Aug-2011 16:41:06] <rocket> no

[05-Aug-2011 16:41:19] <rocket> Rusty .. but Rachel wants to hire me .. ;p

[05-Aug-2011 16:41:25] <SEJeff> Ah

[05-Aug-2011 16:41:29] <SEJeff> rusty is good people

[05-Aug-2011 16:41:36] <rmatte> I want Zenoss to hire me

[05-Aug-2011 16:41:50] <rmatte> but so far no luck lol

[05-Aug-2011 16:42:05] <rocket> rmatte: what position are you trying for?

[05-Aug-2011 16:42:18] <rmatte> Customer Service Engineer is the one I'd really like

[05-Aug-2011 16:42:24] <rmatte> I believe that was the title

[05-Aug-2011 16:42:51] <rmatte> Client Services Engineer

[05-Aug-2011 16:42:56] <rmatte> rather

[05-Aug-2011 16:43:05] <rocket> rmatte: honestly go support .. prove yourself there for a year or two and then move where ever you like .. lots of internal promotions ..

[05-Aug-2011 16:43:06] <rmatte> The other one would be Pre-Sales

[05-Aug-2011 16:43:15] <rmatte> I can't, I don't want to move lol

[05-Aug-2011 16:43:24] <rmatte> there are very few positions that they allow remote work

[05-Aug-2011 16:43:30] <rmatte> the two I mentioned they do

[05-Aug-2011 16:43:36] <rocket> rmatte: there are exceptions ..

[05-Aug-2011 16:43:42] <SEJeff> rmatte, Yes but you travel a lot as a CSE

[05-Aug-2011 16:43:45] <rmatte> it's lots of travel, but yeh

[05-Aug-2011 16:43:46] <SEJeff> generally speaking

[05-Aug-2011 16:43:53] <rmatte> I have no problem with travelling

[05-Aug-2011 16:43:58] <rmatte> but I don't want to live elsewhere

[05-Aug-2011 16:44:16] <SEJeff> They do have some killer seafood in MD where zenoss is based

[05-Aug-2011 16:44:38] <SEJeff> This monstrocity called a crab bomb goes down great with a shot of your favorite $beverage

[05-Aug-2011 16:45:50] <froztbyte> err, sorry, will catch up now

[05-Aug-2011 16:46:07] * froztbyte just quickly meeds to make sure some LUN removals doesn't blow up his one billing platform

[05-Aug-2011 16:46:35] <rocket> most of zenoss is NOT in MD anymore btw

[05-Aug-2011 16:46:53] <rmatte> Zenoss is mostly Austin, MD is mostly Sales right?

[05-Aug-2011 16:47:33] <SEJeff> rocket, Ah. I went out there for enterprise training almost 3.5 years ago

[05-Aug-2011 16:48:53] <rocket> anymore MD is mostly managers

[05-Aug-2011 16:49:05] <rocket> almost everyone else is in Tx at the moment

[05-Aug-2011 16:49:10] <rmatte> so you have your managers is a completely separate location?

[05-Aug-2011 16:49:11] <rmatte> lol

[05-Aug-2011 16:49:15] <rmatte> in a*

[05-Aug-2011 16:49:35] <rmatte> "We need to make a decision, let's call up MD!"

[05-Aug-2011 16:49:36] <rmatte>

[05-Aug-2011 16:49:51] <rocket> well the highest tier of them are in MD

[05-Aug-2011 16:49:53] <rmatte> alright folks, I'm out of here, be back around on Monday

[05-Aug-2011 16:49:55] <rmatte> Cheers

[05-Aug-2011 16:50:06] <rocket> and with video conferencing these days it doesnt really make a difference

[05-Aug-2011 16:50:11] <rmatte> true

[05-Aug-2011 16:50:30] <rocket> they are travelling a ton to trade shows anyway

[05-Aug-2011 16:50:46] <rocket> or out making deals across the country

[05-Aug-2011 16:58:42] <froztbyte> rocket: ah

[05-Aug-2011 16:59:26] <froztbyte> rocket: I was asking since I know our one client has their own installation of zenoss enterprise going in, but I don't think they're a very large net so they might not show up on your radar..

[05-Aug-2011 16:59:51] <rocket> froztbyte: which version of ent?

[05-Aug-2011 17:00:41] <froztbyte> nafc

[05-Aug-2011 17:00:46] <froztbyte> probably the smallest one

[05-Aug-2011 17:01:07] <froztbyte> doubt they've got more than 300~400 nodes to monitor, and that's if they include monitoring customer endpoints

[05-Aug-2011 17:01:11] <froztbyte> see pm

[05-Aug-2011 17:09:51] <JohnnyNOC> anybody know if/how to query Windows via WMI to determine context switches?

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[05-Aug-2011 17:20:22] <kickehy> i have a very basic question, how do apply a monitoring template to a server?

[05-Aug-2011 17:25:34] <froztbyte> kickehy: navigate to the device

[05-Aug-2011 17:25:54] <froztbyte> in the dropdown (which is probably a bit different under 3.x) open the "Templates" menu

[05-Aug-2011 17:26:07] <froztbyte> from this screen you can open the dropdown again and click on "Bind Templates"

[05-Aug-2011 17:26:24] <froztbyte> otherwise check the docs for 3.x if my information now seems completely out of date

[05-Aug-2011 17:26:28] <froztbyte> (which it might very well be)

[05-Aug-2011 17:26:44] <JohnnyNOC> contextswitchespersecond is what i was looking for

[05-Aug-2011 17:26:49] <JohnnyNOC> CIM studio to the rescue

[05-Aug-2011 17:27:06] <kickehy> froztbyte: i found the bind template option, but only one template shows up

[05-Aug-2011 17:27:21] <froztbyte> then only one template is defined under that device path

[05-Aug-2011 17:27:49] <froztbyte> what's the device path in question?

[05-Aug-2011 17:28:51] <kickehy> it's /server/windows/2 processors

[05-Aug-2011 17:29:01] <kickehy> docs/DOC-3386 from that

[05-Aug-2011 17:33:56] <kickehy> meh, I'll tackle it on Monday, work is over

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[06-Aug-2011 20:30:39] <zykes-> for anyone needing zenoss json api bindings for python https://github.com/ekarlso/python-zenoss-api

[06-Aug-2011 20:59:22] <blip> hey all... quick (hopefully) question

[06-Aug-2011 20:59:35] <blip> has anyone attempted to run 3.1.0 on centos 6.0?

[06-Aug-2011 20:59:59] <blip> I'm setting up on a vmware esxi 4.1 host, and would like to be able to take advantage of the balloon drive

[06-Aug-2011 21:00:03] <blip> drive = driver

[06-Aug-2011 22:06:10] <Sam-I-Am> dont see why it wouldnt work

[06-Aug-2011 22:45:44] <kschroeder> Hello everyone!

[06-Aug-2011 22:46:26] <kschroeder> Is there anyone in here that is familiar with monitoring application services with Zenoss?

[06-Aug-2011 22:59:31] <blip> Sam-I-Am: ok, I'll be giving it a shot and let you know the results

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[07-Aug-2011 16:06:32] <Rickson-> i dont have this meny docs/DOC-6006#Configuration_Properties for any of my device, the whole configuration Properties is missing

[07-Aug-2011 23:31:11] <voxter2> Can anyone help me to understand where i should be looking to define which IPServices should be "detected" by default? As i understand it, zenoss does port scans, snmp scans, etc, but it has missed a few glaringly obvious services that are clearly running, and I've had to add them to the machine by hand

[07-Aug-2011 23:31:36] <voxter2> e.g. ssh, http, https

[07-Aug-2011 23:32:00] <voxter2> When i select a server which is assigned the /Server/Linux class, ssh and http are not in the list

[07-Aug-2011 23:32:41] <voxter2> I had to click the + and go to Add IPService..

[07-Aug-2011 23:51:10] <voxter2> Anybody?

[07-Aug-2011 23:54:51] <Sam-I-Am> i think the class would need the module which scans for services

[07-Aug-2011 23:55:12] <Sam-I-Am> for when you're adding devices to the class

[07-Aug-2011 23:56:13] <voxter2> Ah, doing a model it told me there are no portscan plugins enabled

[07-Aug-2011 23:57:55] <voxter2> that would explain why only some services show up. Presumably they are being learned via snmp somehow.

[07-Aug-2011 23:59:19] <voxter2> Hmm.. but, is that supposed to be included in the base install, or?

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[08-Aug-2011 00:02:27] <Sam-I-Am> its there

[08-Aug-2011 00:02:42] <Sam-I-Am> theres plugins you can enable for each class

[08-Aug-2011 00:02:52] <Sam-I-Am> sometimes they come with zenoss, other times in zenpacks

[08-Aug-2011 00:05:00] <voxter2> Yeah, just seeing i had to symlink in nmap, then add it as a modeler

[08-Aug-2011 00:33:53] Sam-I-Am_ is now known as Sam-I-Am

[08-Aug-2011 03:47:21] <Rickson-> Hackman238

[08-Aug-2011 03:47:34] <Simon4> He may be sleeping, given he lives in US time

[08-Aug-2011 03:47:44] <Rickson-> ah

[08-Aug-2011 03:53:47] <fragfutter> administrators never sleep, the only go to standby

[08-Aug-2011 03:54:17] * Simon4 sleeps

[08-Aug-2011 04:26:07] Assaf__ is now known as AikiLinux

[08-Aug-2011 05:44:54] <Rickson-> how do i get zenoss to use dns name and use it as device name?

[08-Aug-2011 08:37:24] <Guest94635> Help:can someone help me with a dependency? I need the transform where if 'gateway2d' goes down, every other alerts get suppressed. currently, everything is under /ping and none seperated by location.

[08-Aug-2011 08:54:51] <Hackman238> Guest94635: Let me find you a doc on this

[08-Aug-2011 08:58:38] <Guest94635> i found the doc and the how to but it doesn't quite fit my need

[08-Aug-2011 08:59:37] <Hackman238> Guest94635: Ah ok. So what you need is all events suppressed if the gateway goes down?

[08-Aug-2011 08:59:46] <Guest94635> yep

[08-Aug-2011 09:01:38] <Hackman238> Guest94635: Whats teh name of teh gateway?

[08-Aug-2011 09:01:52] <Sam-I-Am> morning folks

[08-Aug-2011 09:02:11] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Morning

[08-Aug-2011 09:06:20] <Rickson-> Hackman238

[08-Aug-2011 09:09:37] <Hackman238> Guest94635: try

[08-Aug-2011 09:09:38] <Hackman238> mainGateway = device.findDevice('gatewayname')

[08-Aug-2011 09:09:39] <Hackman238> if device.id != 'gatewayname' and mainGateway.getPingStatus() > 0: evt.drop

[08-Aug-2011 09:09:44] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Hey, how goes it?

[08-Aug-2011 09:11:56] <Rickson-> yeah good!, i decided to reinstall my zenoss after all the problem, but when i reinstalled it, i missing some menys, among those the configuration properties for the device

[08-Aug-2011 09:13:10] <Hackman238> Rickson-: menys?

[08-Aug-2011 09:14:43] <Rickson-> hmm, i what i meant was the meny in the left corner when you click details on any device

[08-Aug-2011 09:15:12] <Rickson-> there are overview, event, software etc. It should also be a Configuration Properties and Modules plugin

[08-Aug-2011 09:18:43] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Menus are missing?

[08-Aug-2011 09:19:16] <Sam-I-Am> clear the cache? heh

[08-Aug-2011 09:20:53] <Rickson-> yeah, those menus are missing, there are just "Overview, Events, Sofware, Graphs, Monitoring Templates"

[08-Aug-2011 09:21:33] <Hackman238> Rickson-: did you uninstall zenoss and reinstall on the box?

[08-Aug-2011 09:21:49] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Or just install over the current instance?

[08-Aug-2011 09:23:03] <Rickson-> new virtual machine

[08-Aug-2011 09:23:25] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Okay. What platform?

[08-Aug-2011 09:23:50] <Rickson-> Centos

[08-Aug-2011 09:24:02] <Hackman238> Rickson-: 5.x or 6?

[08-Aug-2011 09:24:22] <Hackman238> Rickson-: What arch? (32/64)

[08-Aug-2011 09:24:34] <Rickson-> 6

[08-Aug-2011 09:24:41] <Rickson-> 64

[08-Aug-2011 09:24:51] <Rickson-> zenoss 3.1

[08-Aug-2011 09:24:53] <Hackman238> 6 isnt supported

[08-Aug-2011 09:25:29] <Hackman238> Rickson-: I'm sure it can be made to work, but I havent any troubleshooting exp with zenoss 3.x on RHEL6 yet

[08-Aug-2011 09:26:06] <Hackman238> We cant even get Zenoss 4 to work on RHEL6 out of the box yet. Its coming soon, its just a process though.

[08-Aug-2011 09:26:30] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Is it possible to setup a Centos 5.x VM?

[08-Aug-2011 09:26:42] <Rickson-> yes

[08-Aug-2011 09:26:51] <Hackman238> Rickson-: Please do that, x86_64

[08-Aug-2011 09:26:59] <Sam-I-Am> zenoss.. 4?

[08-Aug-2011 09:27:11] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Service Dynamics

[08-Aug-2011 09:27:17] <Rickson-> can i do some bugrepport first somewhere maybe?

[08-Aug-2011 09:27:45] <Hackman238> Yes, 1 second

[08-Aug-2011 09:28:44] <Hackman238> Rickson-: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToAddTestCase

[08-Aug-2011 09:30:32] <dhopp> hola

[08-Aug-2011 09:30:39] <jb> hrm, i have a device that generated 250k events and the event console craps out when I try to delete them.  anybody know a query I can use to drop all events for a specific device?

[08-Aug-2011 09:35:00] <Guest94635> mainGateway = device.findDevice('gatewayname')

[08-Aug-2011 09:35:00] <Guest94635> <@Hackman238> if device.id != 'gatewayname' and mainGateway.getPingStatus() > 0: evt.drop

[08-Aug-2011 09:35:40] <Guest94635> if i want it to be suppressed, instead of drop do i replace evt.drop to evt.suppressed

[08-Aug-2011 09:40:55] <Hackman238> Guest94635: Yep

[08-Aug-2011 09:41:22] <Hackman238> Guest94635: Wait, not 100% on that. Let me check LOL I dont do that often

[08-Aug-2011 09:41:41] <Hackman238> Guest94635: Going to be evt.state or something.

[08-Aug-2011 09:43:29] <Hackman238> Guest94635: evt.eventState=2

[08-Aug-2011 09:44:02] <Hackman238> Guest94635: 0 is active, not acked/suppressed, 1 is ack'd, 2 is suppressed (I think)

[08-Aug-2011 09:44:41] <Hackman238> jb: Yikes. What happened?

[08-Aug-2011 09:46:38] <Guest94635> mainGateway = device.findDevice('datacenter primary gateway')

[08-Aug-2011 09:46:38] <Guest94635> if device.id != 'datacenter primary gateway' and mainGateway.getPingStatus() > 0: evt.eventState=2

[08-Aug-2011 09:46:55] <SDuensin> Morning all.

[08-Aug-2011 09:47:02] <Guest94635> would that work? if so, do i need to restart zenoss or anything?

[08-Aug-2011 09:47:04] <Hackman238> Guest94635: Yes, but add 3 spaces before evt.event...

[08-Aug-2011 09:47:13] <Hackman238> Guest94635: Should. You donrt need to restart

[08-Aug-2011 09:47:19] <Hackman238> Guest94635: You'll want to test it

[08-Aug-2011 09:47:24] <Hackman238> SDuensin: Morning

[08-Aug-2011 09:48:45] <Guest94635> so a total of 4 spaces between '0:' and 'evt.eventState=2'

[08-Aug-2011 09:48:46] <Guest94635> ?

[08-Aug-2011 09:50:06] <Hackman238> Guest94635: If they are on the same line (not the way I see it, but it could be wrapped) just one space. If its on a new line, 3 spaces

[08-Aug-2011 09:52:22] <Guest94635> gotcha, trying now

[08-Aug-2011 09:56:54] <Hackman238> Guest94635: alrighty

[08-Aug-2011 10:07:06] <jmp242> Hackman238: did you get my PM?

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[08-Aug-2011 11:13:47] <Hackman238> Back

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[08-Aug-2011 12:36:14] <straterra> Hackman238: I think I know what I'm going to do for these ESX alerts

[08-Aug-2011 12:36:25] <straterra> I'm just going to have it say "General hardware alarm'

[08-Aug-2011 12:36:37] <straterra> or something...and the admin (me) can log in to see what the problem is specifically

[08-Aug-2011 12:36:48] <straterra> There's literally like 500 things to check for

[08-Aug-2011 12:36:59] <Hackman238> straterra: Ah, yeah thats not a bad idea

[08-Aug-2011 12:37:32] <straterra> And it's hard to write universal rules because not all of our hardware have the same number of drives or arrays or battery backup modules on the RAID cards, etc etc etc

[08-Aug-2011 12:37:44] <Hackman238> straterra: Very very true

[08-Aug-2011 12:55:55] <rmatte> straterra: the problem is, if there's more than one alarm... you may see that the first event is still occuring and end up ignoring a second event because of it

[08-Aug-2011 12:55:58] <rmatte> just something to be aware of

[08-Aug-2011 12:56:09] <straterra> True

[08-Aug-2011 12:56:13] <rmatte> if you could somehow get a count of the number of alerts and include that in the summary that would be more effective

[08-Aug-2011 12:56:23] <straterra> But that doesn't bother me as someone should be responding to the first alarm

[08-Aug-2011 12:56:36] <rmatte> right, but maybe you won't be able to fix the first alarm for a couple of days

[08-Aug-2011 12:56:37] <straterra> And it shouldn't be cleared until all of the alarms are cleared on the ESX host

[08-Aug-2011 12:56:44] <rmatte> at which point you're effectively blind to any further alerts

[08-Aug-2011 12:56:47] <rmatte> see what I mean?

[08-Aug-2011 12:56:52] <straterra> Yeah

[08-Aug-2011 12:57:33] <straterra> I wish this was already handled, tbh :/

[08-Aug-2011 12:57:45] <rmatte> we need a good community ESX pack

[08-Aug-2011 12:57:53] <rmatte> it's the biggest weakness in the community packs right now IMO

[08-Aug-2011 12:58:08] <straterra> Well..the problem is that the alerts all come in on one SNMP Id

[08-Aug-2011 12:58:32] <rmatte> right, but we need to make a pack that efficiently uses the vSphere API

[08-Aug-2011 12:58:33] <straterra> So you can't just say "Well, if this ID gets trapped, toss an alert that the array is degraded"

[08-Aug-2011 12:58:40] <straterra> Hm

[08-Aug-2011 12:58:42] <rmatte> ESX's SNMP support is garbage lately

[08-Aug-2011 12:58:47] <straterra> Yeah

[08-Aug-2011 12:58:53] <rmatte> it's actually worse than it was in previous versions

[08-Aug-2011 12:58:58] <rmatte> they don't really care about it anymore

[08-Aug-2011 12:59:04] <straterra> My other option is finding HP/IBM MIBs and doing monitoring via the OOB module

[08-Aug-2011 12:59:21] <rmatte> yeh, you could do that as well

[08-Aug-2011 12:59:41] <straterra> The problem with that is that not all of my ESX hosts have OOB modules -_-

[08-Aug-2011 12:59:50] <rmatte> figures

[08-Aug-2011 12:59:50] <rmatte> lol

[08-Aug-2011 13:00:22] <rmatte> OOB can be a pain in the ass to work with too

[08-Aug-2011 14:03:58] <Retenodus1> Hi

[08-Aug-2011 14:04:32] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: Hey

[08-Aug-2011 14:05:30] <Retenodus1> It seems with zenoss 2.x we must relaunch a command in the device (data collector, maybe ? It's some time that I don't do it). Is it still the case with Zenoss 3 ?

[08-Aug-2011 14:05:47] <Retenodus1> If it's the case, what we must relaunch exactly ?

[08-Aug-2011 14:06:08] <rmatte> Retenodus1: I don't understand your question

[08-Aug-2011 14:06:09] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: I dont understand. What do you relaunch?

[08-Aug-2011 14:06:28] <Retenodus1> when we update informations about the device

[08-Aug-2011 14:06:36] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: Oh, modelling?

[08-Aug-2011 14:07:00] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: If zenmodeller is running it should update according to the model period.

[08-Aug-2011 14:07:19] <Retenodus1> Yes, and it's 12 hours by default, isn't it ?

[08-Aug-2011 14:07:22] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: If zenmodeller is faulted or stopped devices may fail to remodel automagically

[08-Aug-2011 14:07:27] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: Yep

[08-Aug-2011 14:07:49] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: You'll wanna su zenoss; zenmodeler stop

[08-Aug-2011 14:07:49] <Retenodus1> How can I remodel manually ?

[08-Aug-2011 14:07:58] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: Then ps aux | grep zenmodel

[08-Aug-2011 14:08:11] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: If it hasnt stopped, kill -9 it and then zenmodeler start

[08-Aug-2011 14:08:15] <Retenodus1> Isn't there something with the GUI ?

[08-Aug-2011 14:08:37] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: To model from the CLI manually you can su zenoss; zenmodeler run now -d {device name}

[08-Aug-2011 14:09:01] <rmatte> Retenodus1: are you talking about the "Push Changes" option perhaps?

[08-Aug-2011 14:09:09] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: There is, but zenmodeller might not be restarting when you pick restart from teh daemons tab under settings

[08-Aug-2011 14:09:46] <Retenodus1> rmatte : hem, maybe. I think in 2.x there was a button to remodel in the device

[08-Aug-2011 14:10:14] <rmatte> yes, there still is in 3.x

[08-Aug-2011 14:10:19] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: That button is in the drop down from the device status page under manage

[08-Aug-2011 14:10:30] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: In 3.x its under the gear icon in the lower right

[08-Aug-2011 14:10:41] <rmatte> the very lower left

[08-Aug-2011 14:11:06] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: *face palm* rmatte is right, lower left.

[08-Aug-2011 14:12:34] <Retenodus1> okay, thanks, it works

[08-Aug-2011 14:16:31] <Retenodus1> is it normal that the last line is the next ?

[08-Aug-2011 14:16:31] <Retenodus1> 2011-08-08 20:07:24,099 INFO zen.ZenModeler: Daemon ZenModeler shutting down

[08-Aug-2011 14:16:41] <rmatte> yes

[08-Aug-2011 14:16:42] <Hackman238> Retenodus1: Yes

[08-Aug-2011 14:17:19] <rmatte> it doesn't mean the running daemon is shutting down, it means that particular instance of the daemon that you temporarily spawned by issuing the command is shutting down

[08-Aug-2011 14:38:53] <fritz101> hello.  i've set up a Command datasource that uses winexe to query a windows box for a value.  The data that is returned is the name of the value, then a number.  It works fine when I test, and from command line, etc, but no data is being stored.  I am guessing this is a problem with the parser, and I've tried auto, nagios, and cacti with no success.  Any hints on how to capture the data correctly?

[08-Aug-2011 14:39:37] <rmatte> fritz101: what's the output of the command look like

[08-Aug-2011 14:39:40] <rmatte> when it's returning the data

[08-Aug-2011 14:39:42] <rmatte> ?

[08-Aug-2011 14:39:46] <fritz101> PageFileUsage

[08-Aug-2011 14:39:46] <fritz101> 6264

[08-Aug-2011 14:39:56] <rmatte> k, make the output like this...

[08-Aug-2011 14:39:57] <fritz101> thats from zentestcommand

[08-Aug-2011 14:40:07] <fritz101> i can't =(

[08-Aug-2011 14:40:21] <rmatte> yeh, you can, you just need to be a bit crafty... hold on...

[08-Aug-2011 14:41:16] <fritz101> oh ok.  its running a wmic query (getting a process memory usage) via cmd.exe.  i didn't think i could format the output of that command.

[08-Aug-2011 14:41:53] <rmatte> here's an example of what to do...

[08-Aug-2011 14:42:39] <rmatte> So I've made a script that echoes what you're getting...

[08-Aug-2011 14:42:39] <rmatte> rmatte@noc:~$ ./blah.sh

[08-Aug-2011 14:42:39] <rmatte> PageFileUsage

[08-Aug-2011 14:42:40] <rmatte> 6264

[08-Aug-2011 14:42:41] <rmatte> now...

[08-Aug-2011 14:42:43] <rmatte> if I do...

[08-Aug-2011 14:42:48] <JohnnyNOC> anyone using 3.x have problems with the 'gear' button for zenpacks?

[08-Aug-2011 14:42:51] <JohnnyNOC> nothing drops down anymore

[08-Aug-2011 14:42:56] <rmatte> rmatte@noc:~$ ./blah.sh | echo PageFileUsage=$(tail -1)

[08-Aug-2011 14:42:56] <rmatte> PageFileUsage=6264

[08-Aug-2011 14:43:03] <rmatte> actually hold on

[08-Aug-2011 14:43:04] <JohnnyNOC> can't install/deelet/etc

[08-Aug-2011 14:43:26] <rmatte> rmatte@noc:~$ ./blah.sh | echo "|PageFileUsage=$(tail -1)"

[08-Aug-2011 14:43:26] <rmatte> |PageFileUsage=6264

[08-Aug-2011 14:44:08] <fritz101> ah ok.  let me try that.  and which parser would be appropriate for that output?

[08-Aug-2011 14:45:22] <rmatte> just use auto

[08-Aug-2011 14:45:34] <rmatte> it'll recognize it as nagios output and use that parser

[08-Aug-2011 14:45:48] <fritz101> ok i'll give it a shot

[08-Aug-2011 14:45:56] <rmatte> make sure you use the output that I did with the | at the start

[08-Aug-2011 14:45:58] <rmatte> you need that

[08-Aug-2011 14:46:13] <fritz101> ok

[08-Aug-2011 14:46:43] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: I remember running in to that at some point in the past, but I forget what the cause was

[08-Aug-2011 14:47:31] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: try a zopectl stop then zopectl fg to see if and modules fail to load or are mising

[08-Aug-2011 14:50:57] <JohnnyNOC> seemed to fix itself after installing a zenpack at the commandline

[08-Aug-2011 14:51:57] <JohnnyNOC> i've noticed in 3.1.0 when i add a device it doesn't actually model it for me

[08-Aug-2011 14:52:00] <JohnnyNOC> is that a config setting somewhere?

[08-Aug-2011 14:52:41] <Hackman238> ...the DOW is a disaster today

[08-Aug-2011 14:53:13] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: It should add a job which discovers the deivce and does first model

[08-Aug-2011 14:53:18] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Is zenjibs running?

[08-Aug-2011 14:53:21] <Hackman238> *zenjobs

[08-Aug-2011 14:54:40] <fritz101> success!  thanks @rmatte!

[08-Aug-2011 14:54:41] <JohnnyNOC> yes

[08-Aug-2011 14:54:42] <JohnnyNOC> it is

[08-Aug-2011 14:56:11] <rmatte> np

[08-Aug-2011 14:56:20] <Kevin> Hackman238 s&p also

[08-Aug-2011 14:56:28] <JohnnyNOC> so the zenpack i installed on the command line was the dellmon zenpack

[08-Aug-2011 14:56:44] <JohnnyNOC> and the modeler plugins don't appear to be used when i model a device with those plugins

[08-Aug-2011 14:56:45] <JohnnyNOC> wtf man

[08-Aug-2011 14:57:18] <kickehy> Is there a list of Windows oid's anywhere? specifically looking for disk usage

[08-Aug-2011 14:58:07] <rmatte> kickehy: they are right in the FileSystem template

[08-Aug-2011 14:58:10] <rmatte> under /Server/Windows

[08-Aug-2011 14:58:55] <kickehy> rmatte: could I just add those to the "2 processors" class?

[08-Aug-2011 14:59:36] <rmatte> kickehy: the filesystem stuff is already in that class

[08-Aug-2011 14:59:42] <rmatte> by default

[08-Aug-2011 15:00:01] <rmatte> it gets inherited from the higher class

[08-Aug-2011 15:01:27] <kickehy> well...what some said person may accidentally deleted it not realizing it effected every device in that class?

[08-Aug-2011 15:01:31] <kickehy> what if*

[08-Aug-2011 15:01:54] <kickehy> ok

[08-Aug-2011 15:02:00] <kickehy> that sentence didn't make sense at all

[08-Aug-2011 15:02:04] <rmatte> if you deleted it from the actual /Server class which is where it's supposed to be, you need to recreate it by hand

[08-Aug-2011 15:02:06] <kickehy> let me try that again

[08-Aug-2011 15:02:31] <rmatte> don't delete templates unless you know what you're doing

[08-Aug-2011 15:02:34] <jmp242> don't delete default templates

[08-Aug-2011 15:02:53] <kickehy> exactly, i didn't know what i was doing ^_^

[08-Aug-2011 15:03:00] <jmp242> good rule of thumb, if it comes with Zenoss - don't ever delete it lol

[08-Aug-2011 15:03:01] * rmatte slaps forehead

[08-Aug-2011 15:03:08] <rmatte> yeh, exactly

[08-Aug-2011 15:03:22] <rmatte> don't think you're smarter than Zenoss, because it will bite you in the arse lol

[08-Aug-2011 15:03:31] <rmatte> "Surely we don't need this"

[08-Aug-2011 15:03:33] <rmatte> *lights go out*

[08-Aug-2011 15:03:37] <jmp242> Always make a copy (override in inane 3.x terminology) and work on that

[08-Aug-2011 15:03:39] <rmatte> "shite"

[08-Aug-2011 15:03:59] <kickehy> well i suppose it's a reinstall then...thankfully it's a test environment

[08-Aug-2011 15:04:03] <rmatte> no

[08-Aug-2011 15:04:05] <rmatte> well hold on

[08-Aug-2011 15:04:11] <rmatte> did you delete more than just that one template?

[08-Aug-2011 15:04:30] <rmatte> if you went on a deletion spree then yes, reinstall

[08-Aug-2011 15:04:38] <rmatte> but if it's just that one, you can easily recreate it

[08-Aug-2011 15:04:48] <kickehy> i didn't delete the whole template just the data source/points

[08-Aug-2011 15:04:55] <rmatte> oh

[08-Aug-2011 15:05:03] <rmatte> well just re-add them, hold on, I'll give you the details

[08-Aug-2011 15:05:39] <rmatte> you'll probably have to re-assign the threshold and re-add them to graphs afterwards though since they are different objects in the database

[08-Aug-2011 15:05:42] <rmatte> so the linking is all broken

[08-Aug-2011 15:06:15] <rmatte> it's actually only one datapoint

[08-Aug-2011 15:06:21] <rmatte> the name of it is

[08-Aug-2011 15:06:23] <rmatte> usedBlocks

[08-Aug-2011 15:06:37] <rmatte> the OID is 1.3.6.1.2.1.25.2.3.1.6

[08-Aug-2011 15:07:10] <rmatte> if you re-add it to the graph, look at the settings for the existing graphpoint first

[08-Aug-2011 15:07:12] <rmatte> and copy them down

[08-Aug-2011 15:07:16] <rmatte> the settings should match

[08-Aug-2011 15:08:33] <kickehy> i'll give it a shot

[08-Aug-2011 15:29:17] <jmp242> at one point, Zenoss would read cactii style output in a command datasource. I wonder if there's any meaningful way to port cactii templates, or are you just re-implementing (I think the latter)

[08-Aug-2011 15:57:20] <rmatte> Infrastructure -> big DETAILS button -> Properties

[08-Aug-2011 16:41:18] <rmatte> haha

[08-Aug-2011 16:41:36] <Hackman238> rmatte: Perfect topic

[08-Aug-2011 16:41:40] <rmatte>

[08-Aug-2011 17:02:14] <Hackman238> Have to run. Later all!

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[08-Aug-2011 17:41:26] <nate1> hello

[08-Aug-2011 17:41:36] <nate1> How can I change the IP Address of an existing device

[08-Aug-2011 18:31:44] <nexex> nate1: on device page, click on the gear icon and hit reset/change ip

[08-Aug-2011 18:32:15] <nexex> gear icon on bottom left

[08-Aug-2011 18:32:20] <nate1> got it

[08-Aug-2011 18:32:21] <nate1> thanks

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[08-Aug-2011 20:28:41] <superdug> Good evening everyone, I was wondering if someone had documented a process to use a service like twillio or smsified for zenoss SMS alerting?

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[09-Aug-2011 03:37:04] <zykes-> is there any smart way in core to pull out SLA reports ?

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[09-Aug-2011 09:35:15] <Sam-I-Am> moo?

[09-Aug-2011 09:44:41] <dhopp> meo

[09-Aug-2011 09:44:42] <dhopp> meow

[09-Aug-2011 09:44:47] <dhopp> woof

[09-Aug-2011 09:44:59] * Simon4 goes to see if the riots have started in his neighbourhood again

[09-Aug-2011 09:45:01] <Simon4> back shortly

[09-Aug-2011 09:52:12] <kickehy> Anyone got the WMI query for the event log working in Server 2008 R2?

[09-Aug-2011 09:52:22] <kickehy> I absolutely can't get it to pull

[09-Aug-2011 09:52:47] <kickehy> it acts like the user i specified in the zProperties doesn't have admin rights, yet it is in the admin group

[09-Aug-2011 09:53:06] <kickehy> i've double checked username/password

[09-Aug-2011 09:54:43] <kickehy> I found this: http://honglus.blogspot.com/2009/10/zenoss-monitor-windows-2008-server-via.html   but that doesn't work either, it just changes my error message :/

[09-Aug-2011 09:57:17] <Sam-I-Am> there are some known issues with wmi

[09-Aug-2011 09:57:27] <Sam-I-Am> somewhere is a doc on how to work around the weird auth problem

[09-Aug-2011 09:57:43] <Sam-I-Am> just cant remember where i found it

[09-Aug-2011 09:57:44] <kickehy> thread/12048    ----just found that

[09-Aug-2011 09:58:29] <Sam-I-Am> mmm, fun windows stuff

[09-Aug-2011 09:59:05] <kickehy> hehe

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[09-Aug-2011 10:28:04] <kickehy> Sam-I-Am: i've been using a local account, i changed to a domain account and everything works fine

[09-Aug-2011 10:42:51] <Sam-I-Am> kickehy: its finicky

[09-Aug-2011 10:53:55] <slops17> hey all i have just install zenoss on a ubntu 11.04 box and am having a problem. i get the following error when trying to get the windows logs from a win2k8 server:Could not read the Windows event log (NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED). Check your username/password settings and verify network connectivity.

[09-Aug-2011 10:54:45] <slops17> i have tried with zWinuser= DOMAIN/user and DOMAIN\user

[09-Aug-2011 10:54:59] <slops17> i keep getting the error show up in my events

[09-Aug-2011 11:01:13] <tsener> you should use DOMAIN\user, there is a whitepaper on the net describing what you should setup  on the  windows host to get it running

[09-Aug-2011 11:01:48] <tsener> also, locate the wmi binary and try running it manually against the host

[09-Aug-2011 11:02:28] <slops17> ok ill try that. can you point me to the whitepaper tsener

[09-Aug-2011 11:04:54] <tsener> not sure where it was, just gogole zenoss  and wmi

[09-Aug-2011 11:05:09] <tsener> the binary you can use to check  manually is wmic

[09-Aug-2011 11:05:26] <tsener> its somewhere under your zenoss install path

[09-Aug-2011 11:05:54] <slops17> ok thanks

[09-Aug-2011 11:09:51] <slops17> tsener: [librpc/rpc/dcerpc_connect.c:329:dcerpc_pipe_connect_ncacn_ip_tcp_recv()] failed NT status (c00000c4) in dcerpc_pipe_connect_ncacn_ip_tcp_recv

[09-Aug-2011 11:09:51] <slops17> [librpc/rpc/dcerpc_connect.c:790:dcerpc_pipe_connect_b_recv()] failed NT status (c00000c4) in dcerpc_pipe_connect_b_recv

[09-Aug-2011 11:09:51] <slops17> [wmi/wmic.c:196:main()] ERROR: Login to remote object.

[09-Aug-2011 11:09:51] <slops17> NTSTATUS: NT_STATUS_UNEXPECTED_NETWORK_ERROR - NT_STATUS_UNEXPECTED_NETWORK_ERROR

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[09-Aug-2011 12:00:44] <Sam-I-Am> sure quiet in here

[09-Aug-2011 12:01:55] <photon001> Hi everyone

[09-Aug-2011 12:02:15] <photon001> any suggestions as to how we should monitor a radius server ?

[09-Aug-2011 12:02:34] <photon001> openradius to be precise

[09-Aug-2011 12:07:57] <Sam-I-Am> make sure the process is running, maybe query it?

[09-Aug-2011 12:11:02] <photon001> yeah, I could do that, but I'm more interested in specific radius parameters

[09-Aug-2011 12:11:36] <Sam-I-Am> query those specific parameters using a command line radius client?

[09-Aug-2011 12:23:17] <photon001> mmm

[09-Aug-2011 12:23:55] <photon001> yeah that could work. I'm doing some research on the radius server

[09-Aug-2011 12:23:57] <photon001> thanks ^^

[09-Aug-2011 12:38:38] <rmatte> this is so weird, I granted members of an LDAP group ZenUser access on a new Zenoss box that I setup... and I verified that all of the settings are identical on the old box and the new one, but when they login it's like they aren't a ZenUser

[09-Aug-2011 12:38:48] <rmatte> they even show up as ZenUser in the user list

[09-Aug-2011 12:42:06] <rmatte> hmmm, maybe I shutdown a daemon that's required

[09-Aug-2011 12:45:04] <rmatte> nope that's not it

[09-Aug-2011 12:45:04] <rmatte> wtf

[09-Aug-2011 12:47:06] <Sam-I-Am> ldap is a weird beast on zenoss

[09-Aug-2011 12:47:21] <rmatte> this is the first time I've had this problem

[09-Aug-2011 12:48:04] <rmatte> now it's not even showing images from the UI anymore, just a white screen with links

[09-Aug-2011 12:52:19] <Sam-I-Am> missing the css and stuff?

[09-Aug-2011 12:52:44] <rmatte> no no

[09-Aug-2011 12:52:47] <rmatte> it's to do with permissions

[09-Aug-2011 12:52:58] <rmatte> I'm actually scripting up a new single sign on thing...

[09-Aug-2011 12:53:07] <Sam-I-Am> ahh

[09-Aug-2011 12:53:12] <rmatte> I just tried logging in by hand with the user and it worked fine

[09-Aug-2011 12:53:18] <rmatte> so it must be something to do with the script

[09-Aug-2011 12:53:33] <rmatte> which is weird because it's the exact same script that I use for other Zenoss boxes and it works fine

[09-Aug-2011 12:54:01] <rmatte> ah interesting

[09-Aug-2011 12:54:08] <rmatte> it's only doing it when I'm going through the web proxy

[09-Aug-2011 12:55:24] <rmatte> hmmm, something is screwed with the way I redirected the site through the web proxy

[09-Aug-2011 12:55:30] <rmatte> bah

[09-Aug-2011 13:14:54] <rmatte> for some reason Zenoss on that server is trying to use the local address instead of the public one

[09-Aug-2011 13:20:56] <rmatte> aha, found the setting that I was missing on the proxy finally

[09-Aug-2011 13:22:23] <rmatte> success

[09-Aug-2011 13:44:33] <kickehy> slops17: you ever get your issue resolved?

[09-Aug-2011 13:45:29] <slops17> kickehy: not yet

[09-Aug-2011 13:45:37] <slops17> i am still working on it

[09-Aug-2011 13:46:23] <slops17> kickehy: i think i have a different one now though

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[09-Aug-2011 13:49:46] <kickehy> slops17: i ran into that today when i tried using a domain admin account (so I didn't have to login to each device and add a new user as administrator)

[09-Aug-2011 13:50:32] <slops17> kickehy: what did you do to fix it?

[09-Aug-2011 13:50:41] <kickehy> slops17: it was only until i created a domain user (i called my zenoss) and added it to the administrators account on each server

[09-Aug-2011 13:50:51] <kickehy> administrators group*

[09-Aug-2011 13:51:19] <kickehy> then for the zWinUser used domain\zenoss

[09-Aug-2011 13:51:25] <slops17> ok what if i use the admin account?

[09-Aug-2011 13:51:52] <slops17> which should be in the admin grp

[09-Aug-2011 13:52:00] <kickehy> local admin?

[09-Aug-2011 13:52:07] <slops17> domain

[09-Aug-2011 13:52:51] <kickehy> i don't think it'll work, as that's what i ran into, i suppose you could try adding that user into the administrators group and see what happens

[09-Aug-2011 13:53:29] <slops17> it is in the admin grp

[09-Aug-2011 13:53:34] <slops17> its the domain admin account

[09-Aug-2011 13:53:49] <slops17> ill try it

[09-Aug-2011 13:54:25] <kickehy> just to double check, i'm talking about the administrators group on each server and NOT in AD

[09-Aug-2011 13:55:07] <slops17> ah ok . i was talking about the administrators grp on the domain

[09-Aug-2011 13:57:03] <slops17> kickehy: the other thing i am running in to is that i can not install zenpacks

[09-Aug-2011 13:57:45] <kickehy> slops17: unfortunately i'm too much of a zenoss n00b to help you with that one, the only reason i know a little on your initial problem is because i ran into it today

[09-Aug-2011 13:58:16] <kickehy> slops17: i suppose you could try via the command line if zenpacks aren't installing through the gui

[09-Aug-2011 13:58:31] <slops17> ah ok.. no worries i think i found a way around the error from this am

[09-Aug-2011 13:58:37] <slops17> kickehy: i tried and failed

[09-Aug-2011 13:59:28] <slops17> kickehy: http://honglus.blogspot.com/2009/10/zenoss-monitor-windows-2008-server-via.html

[09-Aug-2011 13:59:51] <kickehy> slops17: yeah i found that out earlier today too

[09-Aug-2011 14:00:28] <slops17> that seamed to get rid of the annoying error

[09-Aug-2011 14:00:35] <kickehy> i was initially using a local user that i created on the server (i added it to the admin group) and server 2008 did not like that

[09-Aug-2011 14:01:02] <slops17> but i cant get the zenpacks to work either console or gui

[09-Aug-2011 14:02:11] <kickehy> :/

[09-Aug-2011 14:10:32] <slops17> kickehy: http://www.pastie.org/2346143

[09-Aug-2011 14:15:19] <kickehy> slops17: are you manually downloading the egg file and saving it to your zenoss server? by the looks of it, it's trying to go out and obtain the package from the web

[09-Aug-2011 14:15:34] <kickehy> or

[09-Aug-2011 14:15:39] <jmp242> Link to http://pypi.python.org/simple/ ***BLOCKED*** by --allow-hosts looks like your problems

[09-Aug-2011 14:15:44] <slops17> yeah i manually d/l the zip file and then unzip it

[09-Aug-2011 14:15:49] <jmp242> did you install pre-reqs

[09-Aug-2011 14:16:22] <slops17> i followed this

[09-Aug-2011 14:16:22] <slops17> http://www.debiantutorials.com/installing-zenoss-monitoring-system/

[09-Aug-2011 14:16:33] <jmp242>   ZenPack Dependencies: Linux Monitor and Linux Monitor Addon

[09-Aug-2011 14:16:51] <jmp242> yea, but that's just zenoss

[09-Aug-2011 14:16:54] <jmp242> zenpacks have dependencies

[09-Aug-2011 14:16:57] <jmp242> in your case,   ZenPack Dependencies: Linux Monitor and Linux Monitor Addon

[09-Aug-2011 14:17:24] <slops17> ok how do i install the zenoss deps

[09-Aug-2011 14:18:05] <slops17> jmp242: just started playing with it yesterday afternoon so very n00b

[09-Aug-2011 14:18:59] <slops17> trying to figure out all what i need to get up and running

[09-Aug-2011 14:19:36] <kickehy> slops17: heh i'm about a week into mine

[09-Aug-2011 14:20:01] <slops17> ouch

[09-Aug-2011 14:20:24] <jmp242> oh oj

[09-Aug-2011 14:20:26] <jmp242> ok

[09-Aug-2011 14:20:36] <jmp242> I've been using since 1.1 so 3-4 years

[09-Aug-2011 14:22:53] <kickehy> jmp242: and that's why you answer questions well and I just make a fool of myself

[09-Aug-2011 14:23:00] <kickehy> ^_^

[09-Aug-2011 14:27:52] <jmp242> well, I'm not even anywhere close to the gurus

[09-Aug-2011 14:28:17] <slops17> OK NOW I THINK I AM GETTING SOME WHERE

[09-Aug-2011 14:28:30] <slops17> opps sorry for the caps

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[09-Aug-2011 15:15:55] <Guest94635> good afternoon guys, i have a issue, i am using this transform below and i still get about 100 emails instead of the 500 up/down emails. it also doesn't send a alert that tells me that "datacenter primary gateway" is down

[09-Aug-2011 15:15:56] <Guest94635> mainGateway = device.findDevice('datacenter primary gateway')

[09-Aug-2011 15:15:56] <Guest94635> if device.id != 'datacenter primary gateway' and mainGateway.getPingStatus() > 0: evt.eventState=2

[09-Aug-2011 15:23:55] <Guest94635> <Guest94635> good afternoon guys, i have a issue, i am using this transform below and i still get about 100 emails instead of the 500 up/down emails. it also doesn't send a alert that tells me that "datacenter primary gateway" is down

[09-Aug-2011 15:23:55] <Guest94635> <Guest94635> mainGateway = device.findDevice('datacenter primary gateway')

[09-Aug-2011 15:23:55] <Guest94635> <Guest94635> if device.id != 'datacenter primary gateway' and mainGateway.getPingStatus() > 0: evt.eventState=2

[09-Aug-2011 15:28:00] <jmp242> Guest94635:

[09-Aug-2011 15:28:27] <jmp242> do you mean that some, 100 systems are still notifying you

[09-Aug-2011 15:28:48] <jmp242> I expect the problem is just that the pings are asynchronys

[09-Aug-2011 15:29:39] <Guest94635> yep, about a 1/4 makes it through

[09-Aug-2011 15:30:27] <jmp242> yea, zenoss probably doesn't know that the main gateway is down when it sends those e-mails

[09-Aug-2011 15:30:46] <Guest94635> anyway to fix this? it also doesn't tell me that the main gateway was down either

[09-Aug-2011 15:31:04] <jmp242> wait, so you don't get a ping down on the main gateway

[09-Aug-2011 15:31:40] <jmp242> does the Web GUI show it as down?

[09-Aug-2011 15:35:57] <JohnnyNOC> jmp242 question..  do use a zFileSystemSizeOFfset of 0.95?

[09-Aug-2011 15:36:10] <Guest94635> webgui shows it is down

[09-Aug-2011 15:36:36] <Guest94635> i am testing it by unplugging the network cable from the zenoss box to simulate a router failure

[09-Aug-2011 15:36:38] <JohnnyNOC> i'm trying to figure out why the calculations for total/free bytes is slightly off

[09-Aug-2011 15:39:03] <jmp242> it may be JohnnyNOC

[09-Aug-2011 15:39:21] <jmp242> remember than most linux systems reserve 5% for root

[09-Aug-2011 15:39:36] <jmp242> Guest94635: so I'm confused then

[09-Aug-2011 15:39:55] <jmp242> is it that you don't get an e-mail that the main gateway is down?

[09-Aug-2011 15:40:18] <Guest94635> sorry i don't need to know that the main gateway is down

[09-Aug-2011 15:40:19] <JohnnyNOC> jmp242 i do recall that, however the numbers don't quite match what the OS says

[09-Aug-2011 15:40:22] <Guest94635> cause .. it's down down

[09-Aug-2011 15:40:40] <Guest94635> when i plug the network cable back in, i expected a notification that the gateway went down and back up

[09-Aug-2011 15:41:07] <Guest94635> instead i get 1/4 of random ones

[09-Aug-2011 15:41:25] <jmp242> yes - that's probably expected

[09-Aug-2011 15:41:50] <jmp242> zenoss generated the events before it knew the gateway was down

[09-Aug-2011 15:42:04] <Guest94635> hmm any workarounds?

[09-Aug-2011 15:42:36] <rmatte> not really

[09-Aug-2011 15:42:38] <jmp242> no

[09-Aug-2011 15:43:49] <Guest94635> well then. It's not that big of a issue.. 1/4 is better than 700 emails that crashes my mail server lol

[09-Aug-2011 15:44:17] <rmatte> at least you'll never miss it lol

[09-Aug-2011 15:44:50] <Guest94635> where do i go to put the transform in on a 3.1? i'm using that transform on a 2.5 right now

[09-Aug-2011 15:45:31] <rmatte> I assume you're looking for the equivalent of More -> Transform?

[09-Aug-2011 15:45:44] <Guest94635> yep

[09-Aug-2011 15:46:22] <rmatte> Events -> Event Classes -> Click to the class you want -> bottom left hand button -> Transform

[09-Aug-2011 15:46:38] <rmatte> always look at the bottom left hand menu for options, people always seem to miss it

[09-Aug-2011 15:48:09] <Guest94635> great, thanks broski

[09-Aug-2011 15:51:51] <rmatte> no prob

[09-Aug-2011 15:57:59] <Guest94635> hmm was something fixed in 3.1 where it actually works correctly!? it doesn't do the same thing as the 2.5 box when i lost connection to the main gateway

[09-Aug-2011 16:09:46] <kickehy> the best part about zenoss is installing/configuring snmp on EVERY server in your environment first

[09-Aug-2011 16:12:49] <Sam-I-Am> kickehy: scripts!

[09-Aug-2011 16:13:10] <kickehy> Sam-I-Am: but that's too easy

[09-Aug-2011 16:13:29] <Guest94635> we are in IT, making things easy and functional is our job

[09-Aug-2011 16:14:04] <slops17> can you guys recommend a zenpack for windows logs for win2k8 and win2k3

[09-Aug-2011 16:18:49] <rmatte> slops17: Zenoss can monitor the event log already without a pack via WMI

[09-Aug-2011 16:19:02] <rmatte> read the Zenoss admin guide, it explains that

[09-Aug-2011 16:19:14] <slops17> ok

[09-Aug-2011 16:19:26] <slops17> thanks rmatte

[09-Aug-2011 16:20:09] <rmatte> Guest94635: well, 3.1 is a whole new UI, so it's obviously not going to have the same UI bugs lol

[09-Aug-2011 16:20:23] <rmatte> Guest94635: it's buggies than 2.5 was in some ways though... 3.2 will fix a lot of it

[09-Aug-2011 16:20:33] <rmatte> buggier*

[09-Aug-2011 16:21:29] <Guest94635> just curious, it's been working great after i put in the patch that allows it to ping ports correctly

[09-Aug-2011 16:21:32] <Guest94635> that was a huge pain

[09-Aug-2011 16:21:52] <rmatte> I wasn't aware that there was a bug concerning that

[09-Aug-2011 16:22:18] <Guest94635> klone sent it to me

[09-Aug-2011 16:24:04] <Guest94635> and of course i lost the text file lol

[09-Aug-2011 17:02:06] <JohnnyNOC> grr

[09-Aug-2011 17:02:33] <JohnnyNOC> anyone notice a slight difference in the size and available space of a filesystem when using HRFileSystemMap plugin?

[09-Aug-2011 17:02:50] <JohnnyNOC> the used bytes are correct, but my total size and available bytes are slightly off

[09-Aug-2011 17:02:59] <JohnnyNOC> we're using a .95 filesystem offset and when i try 1.00 it's even worse

[09-Aug-2011 17:03:00] <JohnnyNOC> :[

[09-Aug-2011 17:04:00] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: is this a Windows system or Linux?

[09-Aug-2011 17:04:05] <dhopp> or does it matter?

[09-Aug-2011 17:07:30] <JohnnyNOC> linux

[09-Aug-2011 17:07:47] <JohnnyNOC> i'm going to try and use the UCDHardDiskMap plugin instead

[09-Aug-2011 17:08:11] <JohnnyNOC> and this machine is also using bigegor's hpmon zenpack

[09-Aug-2011 17:15:58] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte

[09-Aug-2011 17:18:19] <JohnnyNOC> you wrote a zenpack using ucdharddiskmap you must have something valuable to teach me!

[09-Aug-2011 17:18:20] <JohnnyNOC>

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[09-Aug-2011 21:53:10] <c00p> how do I stop 'Problem with line 6: for obj in device.os.interfaces.objectItems()'

[09-Aug-2011 22:05:41] <c00p> nm found forum topics etc.

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[10-Aug-2011 00:13:05] <BawlzEWon_androi> anyone still up?

[10-Aug-2011 00:29:13] <BawlzEWon_androi> hello

[10-Aug-2011 00:55:30] <c00p> hi

[10-Aug-2011 00:56:22] <c00p> can't get WMI to work. Running the test allows me to connect, but not via zenoss - is there a cli utility I can run to test from the linux machine

[10-Aug-2011 01:30:27] <blip> Sam-I-Am, ping?

[10-Aug-2011 01:31:55] <blip> hi all, tried to install Zenoss 3.1.0 on CentOS 6.0, getting failed dependencies because of the mysql client lib.  wondered if anyone has installed as mentioned and what was done to make it work

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[10-Aug-2011 02:10:15] <c00p> I'm still 5.6

[10-Aug-2011 02:51:51] <zykes->  is there any smart way to make reports to pdf files ?

[10-Aug-2011 03:52:34] <luizzmizz> c00p: u can use wmic as user zenoss

[10-Aug-2011 04:09:36] <luizzmizz> sorry for answering a question asked 3 hours ago :S

[10-Aug-2011 04:45:03] <froztbyte> luizzmizz: hey, better than it not getting answered

[10-Aug-2011 05:05:00] <tsener>

[10-Aug-2011 05:21:22] <luizzmizz> frozbyte: well, that's a good point

[10-Aug-2011 05:38:21] <tsener> how would I debug zenperfsnmp cycle time  - where do I set it

[10-Aug-2011 05:38:41] <tsener> and how to find out which device  takes longer to respond ?

[10-Aug-2011 05:51:27] <luizzmizz> tsener: you can set/get the "SNMP Performance Cycle Interval" on Advanced/Collectors/localhost, and you can check "the reality" via $ZENHOME/log/zenperfsnmp.log, if you grep it like "grep Cycle zenperfsnmp.log", you get the lines Cycle lasted x.xx seconds and Cycle completed

[10-Aug-2011 05:52:04] <luizzmizz> about finding out the device which takes longer... i cannot help you

[10-Aug-2011 07:37:37] <c00p> luizzmizz: ta - Will give it a whirl in the morning

[10-Aug-2011 07:38:11] <c00p> I gave up - Using the windows testing I could remote in fine, but the zenwin can now

[10-Aug-2011 07:38:15] <c00p> *can not

[10-Aug-2011 07:44:08] <luizzmizz> c00p: well, you can always use  zenwin run -v10 -d <devicename> for debug logs...

[10-Aug-2011 07:50:29] <c00p> ta - will give it a whirl

[10-Aug-2011 07:55:12] <BawlzEWon> anyone home?

[10-Aug-2011 08:44:05] <BawlzEWon> hey all

[10-Aug-2011 08:47:26] <BawlzEWon> This has to be the most dead room I have ever been in.

[10-Aug-2011 08:48:07] <klone> what's up

[10-Aug-2011 08:48:14] <Weetos> BawlzEWon> yep, I guess everyone's busy

[10-Aug-2011 08:49:28] <BawlzEWon> Not much, I just set Zenoss up on our corporate network and was bouncing into here in case I had any questions.

[10-Aug-2011 08:50:00] <BawlzEWon> I figured I would see a lot of people discussing different configs and situations in here but I don't see spit going on here.

[10-Aug-2011 08:50:45] <klone> BawlzEWon - it's still pretty early, people start waking up in here in ~ hour or so

[10-Aug-2011 08:50:47] <Weetos> this actually happens quite often

[10-Aug-2011 08:51:23] <Weetos> but it's true it's a bit early

[10-Aug-2011 08:52:05] <BawlzEWon> good deal. I'm going through the hell of trying to figure out how to get Zenoss to read each node. I have started with trying to harvest information from my Server 2008 box. Still working on it though.

[10-Aug-2011 08:53:15] <klone> BawlzEWon - wmi or snmp?

[10-Aug-2011 08:53:57] <BawlzEWon> working on both. I think I'm closer to getting SNMP working.

[10-Aug-2011 08:54:25] <jmp242> We talk when there's stuff going on... Just ask questions if you have any

[10-Aug-2011 08:54:26] <klone> yeah, wmi can be a pain in some situations

[10-Aug-2011 08:59:59] <BawlzEWon_androi> I used to use SNMP to monitor the towers and CPE's for a wireless ISP. I also wrote a program to monitor NetGear switches via SNMP. So I chose that one because I am more familiar with it.

[10-Aug-2011 09:03:50] <Weetos> BawlzEWon_androi> Any chances the wireless hardware (towers and CPEs) were Motorola ?

[10-Aug-2011 09:04:57] <BawlzEWon> Nope, we didn't use any canopy. We used AirSpan and WaveRider

[10-Aug-2011 09:05:13] <BawlzEWon> We were replacing the remaining WaveRider gear with AirSpan though.

[10-Aug-2011 09:05:27] <Weetos> yuck - Thanks

[10-Aug-2011 09:05:33] <BawlzEWon> It was NLOS application.

[10-Aug-2011 09:05:36] <BawlzEWon> 900MHz

[10-Aug-2011 09:05:40] <Weetos> oh ok

[10-Aug-2011 09:06:33] <BawlzEWon> Plus the tower density that was needed required better frequency clearance and canopy shreds the spectrum.

[10-Aug-2011 09:06:52] <BawlzEWon> I could probably write something for you though if you would like.

[10-Aug-2011 09:07:06] <BawlzEWon> Depends on what you are doing and how soon you would need it.

[10-Aug-2011 09:07:36] <BawlzEWon> We were monitoring SNR, RSSI, LR, RX, and TX

[10-Aug-2011 09:08:20] <Weetos> oh I don't need that much ! Thanks for your offer though - I just wondered how you can poll CPEo450 CPEs using SNMP

[10-Aug-2011 09:08:28] <BawlzEWon> And we were displaying the stats on a per CPE basis and show the readings from Tower and CPE.

[10-Aug-2011 09:09:06] <Weetos> the specsheets say this CPE support SNMPv3, but Motorola hasn't given us a clear answer on that

[10-Aug-2011 09:09:56] <BawlzEWon> Have you tried an SNMP walker on it?

[10-Aug-2011 09:10:03] <Weetos> Basically I was hoping to get at least SNR and RSSI

[10-Aug-2011 09:10:12] <Weetos> yep but I miss the default credentials

[10-Aug-2011 09:11:23] <BawlzEWon> http://www.oidview.com/mibbrowser.html

[10-Aug-2011 09:11:39] <BawlzEWon> they aren't public / private?

[10-Aug-2011 09:11:53] <BawlzEWon> or did they actually password it?

[10-Aug-2011 09:12:08] <Weetos> v3 requires a username, unlike v1 or v2c

[10-Aug-2011 09:12:58] <BawlzEWon> Well, that explains part of my problem. LOL

[10-Aug-2011 09:13:26] <Weetos> oh really ? lol

[10-Aug-2011 09:13:35] <Weetos> glad it helps

[10-Aug-2011 09:13:44] <BawlzEWon> Yeah, 3 didn't exist yet when I did my stuff before.

[10-Aug-2011 09:14:04] <BawlzEWon> Where I would start is verifying you can reach the port.

[10-Aug-2011 09:14:30] <BawlzEWon> telnet <CPE_IP> <SNMP PORT>

[10-Aug-2011 09:15:13] <BawlzEWon> if they at least pops then I would try using the the username and password for configuring the unit or using the default username and password for configuring the unit.

[10-Aug-2011 09:15:27] <Weetos> hmmm telnet is using TCP as a transport layer, SNMP uses UDP so telnet won't work, but I get the point

[10-Aug-2011 09:17:39] <BawlzEWon> ?!?! I could have sworn I wrote that with TCP.

[10-Aug-2011 09:18:32] <Weetos> I may be wrong concerning v3, but I'm sure about v2c and v1

[10-Aug-2011 09:18:42] <Hackman238> Hello all

[10-Aug-2011 09:19:15] <BawlzEWon> hmmm.....

[10-Aug-2011 09:19:28] <BawlzEWon> No, it would appear that I wrote it with UDP.

[10-Aug-2011 09:19:50] <BawlzEWon> Its been 6 years since I wrote it.

[10-Aug-2011 09:19:55] <Weetos> no prob

[10-Aug-2011 09:20:20] <Weetos> I'm trying using snmpwalk -v3 -u motorola -X motorola <IP> sysname

[10-Aug-2011 09:20:51] <Weetos> but it doesn't work, I guess it requires more parameters - alas I'm not too familiar with v3

[10-Aug-2011 09:21:49] <Weetos> this won't work either : snmpwalk -v3 -l noAuthNoPriv <IP> sysname

[10-Aug-2011 09:22:20] <Weetos> I guess I'm stuck then

[10-Aug-2011 09:26:34] <BawlzEWon_androi> does Motorola offer a program for doing it or testing it? you could wireshark it in operation to see how it works.

[10-Aug-2011 09:27:38] <Weetos> actually I can't because the towers aren't operated by my company - we only operate the CPEs

[10-Aug-2011 09:29:02] <Weetos> I just did a nmap on a CPE and it doesn't seem to listen on the default SNMP port

[10-Aug-2011 09:29:35] <BawlzEWon_androi> suck. they make have it blocked or SNMP isn't active.

[10-Aug-2011 09:32:05] <Weetos> yep that what I thought

[10-Aug-2011 09:32:33] <Weetos> Thanks anyway for your help

[10-Aug-2011 09:33:23] <tsener> e.g.

[10-Aug-2011 09:33:24] <tsener> snmpwalk -v3 -l authPriv -x DES -a MD5 -A testpass -X testpass  -u cacti -c public hostname.goes.here

[10-Aug-2011 09:34:04] <tsener> -u is for user, not necesarry to be cacti

[10-Aug-2011 09:38:13] <BawlzEWon> I'd give tsener's method a try before abandoning hope. And never a problem.

[10-Aug-2011 09:45:05] <fragfutter> i have a plugin that expects it sources in src/main/foobar. how can i set <sourceDirectory> to src/main/foobar by default if this plugin is loaded?

[10-Aug-2011 09:48:31] <Weetos> tsener> thanks I tested you suggestion : snmpwalk -v3 -l authPriv -x DES -a MD5 -A motorola -X motorola  -u motorola -c public <IP>

[10-Aug-2011 09:49:09] <Weetos> but it doesn't work (Timeout) I also tested with SHA - I guess SNMP is filtered somewhere inbetween

[10-Aug-2011 09:49:43] <Weetos> or maybe the credentials are wrong, but I can't tell for sure

[10-Aug-2011 09:53:38] <fragfutter> yeah wrong channel.

[10-Aug-2011 10:01:01] <BawlzEWon> ? frag, what channel are you looking for?

[10-Aug-2011 10:12:00] <Retenodus> Hi

[10-Aug-2011 10:12:19] <Weetos> Hi Retenodus

[10-Aug-2011 10:13:12] <Retenodus> I try to monitor a FreeBSD. I've followed these instructions : docs/DOC-9132 and indeed, I've basic informations

[10-Aug-2011 10:14:11] <Retenodus> But it's really basic. I don't even have CPU and RAM utilization

[10-Aug-2011 10:15:06] <tsener>

[10-Aug-2011 10:15:10] <Retenodus> is there a specific template for FreeBSD ? Else, should I use Solaris or Linux template to have some informations ?

[10-Aug-2011 10:15:55] <jmp242> I'm not aware of a FreeBSD template

[10-Aug-2011 10:16:03] <jmp242> or zenpack

[10-Aug-2011 10:16:16] <jmp242> but you could try the Linux ones

[10-Aug-2011 10:16:27] <Weetos> I'd say Linux too

[10-Aug-2011 10:17:46] <tsener> mm no they don't really work  properly

[10-Aug-2011 10:17:57] <tsener> or atleast waht i've tested

[10-Aug-2011 10:18:18] <tsener> I use  netsnmp on BSD machines, and make custom checks for more info, e.g. fans, raid

[10-Aug-2011 10:18:35] <tsener> I use the extend option in the netsnmpd.conf

[10-Aug-2011 10:19:50] <tsener> bsnmpd comes with base, but it doesn't support snmp v3 and  some of the OIDs just represent different info fro mwhat it shoud be in  linux netsnmp or RFC

[10-Aug-2011 10:20:16] <Retenodus> okay. Is there some special instructions for netsnmp ?

[10-Aug-2011 10:31:13] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[10-Aug-2011 10:37:30] <tsener> sorry, was away ..

[10-Aug-2011 10:37:39] <tsener> wow ....  http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2011/Aug/76

[10-Aug-2011 10:38:25] <Retenodus> is there a way to turn off the use of SSH by Zenoss ? Il collects correctly data by SNMP, but it tries to connect to SSH ports of my monitored devices, which believe they are under attack.

[10-Aug-2011 10:38:53] <Simon4> Retenodus: disable monitoring of the IP Service on port 22

[10-Aug-2011 10:47:40] <Nariuz> Hi, i was wondering if zenoss does layer2 mapping on switches etc, to see what mac address or hostname that is connected to different ports on a switch or a firewall interface..

[10-Aug-2011 10:47:56] <Nariuz> on the newest zenoss stable

[10-Aug-2011 10:49:20] <Hackman238> Nariuz: Zenoss doesnt do layer2 mapping or dependancy yet

[10-Aug-2011 10:49:54] <Hackman238> Nariuz: Its a feature on the ZCA roadmap

[10-Aug-2011 10:50:15] <subbu985> Hi All I am unable to monitor only file system ,from zenoss , I am monitoring the serer thrgh WMI, I Checked the logs and found the below error

[10-Aug-2011 10:51:06] <subbu985> ERROR zen.zenwinperf: Unable to scan device TAL1384: NT_STATUS_NET_WRITE_FAULT

[10-Aug-2011 10:51:24] <subbu985> Even i tried to restart the Remote resgistry service and WMI but invain

[10-Aug-2011 10:51:34] <subbu985> can any one please help me out in this issue

[10-Aug-2011 10:56:02] <JohnnyNOC> is the forum non-Chrome compatible now or something?

[10-Aug-2011 10:56:15] <JohnnyNOC> i don't see the login button on the main page, and now that i'm logged in everything looks wonky

[10-Aug-2011 10:58:06] <dpetzel> JohnnyNOC: I looks like garbage in Chrome for me as well

[10-Aug-2011 10:58:12] <subbu985> @JohnnyNoc:Even i am using the G-Chrome with version 13.0

[10-Aug-2011 10:58:20] <subbu985> but i am able to login

[10-Aug-2011 10:58:58] <JohnnyNOC> i was able to login while looking at a specific post

[10-Aug-2011 10:59:03] <JohnnyNOC> but now everything is just all f'd up

[10-Aug-2011 10:59:13] <subbu985> hmm

[10-Aug-2011 10:59:14] <JohnnyNOC> looks like crap in FF and i don't see a login button on the main page

[10-Aug-2011 10:59:30] <subbu985> what is the versiobn u  r using

[10-Aug-2011 10:59:55] <JohnnyNOC> geez, even in firefox too

[10-Aug-2011 11:00:11] <JohnnyNOC> like, the search bar is over where the login button normaly is/was

[10-Aug-2011 11:00:28] <JohnnyNOC> subbu985

[10-Aug-2011 11:00:31] <jmp242> clear the cache maybe?

[10-Aug-2011 11:00:47] <JohnnyNOC> i just fired up IE and FF to try shouldn't be a cache issue

[10-Aug-2011 11:00:49] <JohnnyNOC>

[10-Aug-2011 11:01:16] <jmp242> looks the same to me in Opera

[10-Aug-2011 11:01:26] <jmp242> but I only use e-mail so . . .

[10-Aug-2011 11:01:33] <jmp242> normally don't even see it

[10-Aug-2011 11:02:00] <subbu985> go to view try to reset the Zoom in FF

[10-Aug-2011 11:02:04] <subbu985> it may works

[10-Aug-2011 11:02:49] <dpetzel> FF looks okay for me

[10-Aug-2011 11:12:31] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Looks ok here FF 3.6

[10-Aug-2011 11:12:44] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Also in Opera 11

[10-Aug-2011 11:19:29] <JohnnyNOC> must be somethin gup with our proxy

[10-Aug-2011 11:19:30] <JohnnyNOC> hi btw

[10-Aug-2011 11:20:26] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hows it going?

[10-Aug-2011 11:28:56] <JohnnyNOC> going alright

[10-Aug-2011 11:29:03] <JohnnyNOC> still struggling with zenoss

[10-Aug-2011 11:29:12] <JohnnyNOC> haven't been able to migrate to 3.1 yet

[10-Aug-2011 11:29:36] <JohnnyNOC> it's up, zenpacks added, few test devices in there..  but i have to figure out this problem where i have some devices who stop updating their rrd's

[10-Aug-2011 11:29:50] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Thats odd

[10-Aug-2011 11:30:02] <JohnnyNOC> rrd is updated when i run zenperfsnmp by hand, but otherwise it fills with NaN values

[10-Aug-2011 11:30:26] <JohnnyNOC> i've removed/readded devices in the past which has fixed the problem so i'm going through that now but damn, itcan take 5-10 mins to delete/add a device

[10-Aug-2011 11:30:36] <JohnnyNOC> i assume zenhub is overloaded or something

[10-Aug-2011 11:30:48] <JohnnyNOC> just saw a flood of heartbeat failures

[10-Aug-2011 11:30:49] <JohnnyNOC> bleh

[10-Aug-2011 11:31:50] <JohnnyNOC> otherwise i'm good

[10-Aug-2011 11:31:51] <JohnnyNOC>

[10-Aug-2011 11:32:03] <JohnnyNOC> i have a new roommate..  my gf moved back to town

[10-Aug-2011 11:32:11] <JohnnyNOC> that's good.. and bad.

[10-Aug-2011 11:35:21] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah

[10-Aug-2011 11:36:33] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: So manual runs work but automatic ones fail?

[10-Aug-2011 11:37:45] <JohnnyNOC> that's what it's looking like from earlier

[10-Aug-2011 11:38:15] <JohnnyNOC> problem is zenoss was restarted at 2am, and thats when all these rrds stopped graphing

[10-Aug-2011 11:38:50] <JohnnyNOC> but only like ~40 devices out of ~800

[10-Aug-2011 11:39:20] <Hackman238>  JohnnyNOC Hum

[10-Aug-2011 11:39:33] <JohnnyNOC> let me have another look

[10-Aug-2011 11:40:31] <JohnnyNOC> that's what it looks like, i see a bunch of NaN values at normal intervals and then a value at about the time i ran it manually

[10-Aug-2011 11:41:06] <JohnnyNOC> messages like this in zenperfsnmp.log

[10-Aug-2011 11:41:07] <JohnnyNOC> 2011-08-10 06:32:25,227 ERROR zen.RRDUtil: rrdtool reported error could not lock RRD Devices/OSLCHI5PAPP10/os/interfaces/eth0/ifOutErrors_ifOutErrors

[10-Aug-2011 11:43:04] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Could not lock the file?

[10-Aug-2011 11:43:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Are you ryscing or something?

[10-Aug-2011 11:43:25] <Hackman238> *rsyncing

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[10-Aug-2011 12:31:54] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 there is an rsync process which copies the RRDs to another machine

[10-Aug-2011 12:34:07] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Thats the problem

[10-Aug-2011 12:34:46] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: by chance rsync had those files locked when zenoss wanted to write to them

[10-Aug-2011 12:35:03] <JohnnyNOC> ok but that was nearly 6 hours ago

[10-Aug-2011 12:35:24] <JohnnyNOC> and it's still filling the RRD with NaNs

[10-Aug-2011 12:36:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Did you bounce the daemons?

[10-Aug-2011 12:36:21] <JohnnyNOC> yes

[10-Aug-2011 12:36:34] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Sounds like the files are corrupt

[10-Aug-2011 12:36:55] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Delete one of them and see if it comes back with data

[10-Aug-2011 12:37:06] <JohnnyNOC> i'm guessing that will work

[10-Aug-2011 12:37:14] <JohnnyNOC> but is there anyway i can save the data in the RRD?

[10-Aug-2011 12:37:44] <JohnnyNOC> or how can i confirm that it's corrupt and that's the problem

[10-Aug-2011 12:38:22] <JohnnyNOC> the rsync process kicks off around 2am

[10-Aug-2011 12:38:41] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: In that case just rename it. I'll email you a rrd concatonation script I wrote

[10-Aug-2011 12:38:42] <JohnnyNOC> these stopped graphing at 2am when zenoss was restarted using 'zenoss restart'

[10-Aug-2011 12:39:39] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Why did you restart zenoss?

[10-Aug-2011 12:40:27] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 someone had the bright idea it should be regularly bounced

[10-Aug-2011 12:40:43] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Oh LOL

[10-Aug-2011 12:40:52] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Try not to restart zenoss less you have to

[10-Aug-2011 12:41:08] <JohnnyNOC> yea, needless to say that cron entry has been removed

[10-Aug-2011 12:41:09] <JohnnyNOC>

[10-Aug-2011 12:41:11] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: If its just about the webui, do zopectl restart

[10-Aug-2011 12:41:15] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC:

[10-Aug-2011 12:41:52] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Any trace in the daemon or hub logs from when they stopped collecting?

[10-Aug-2011 12:42:21] <JohnnyNOC> i didn't see anym but i didn't look in the hub logs

[10-Aug-2011 12:42:28] <JohnnyNOC> so, i blew away the mem* rrds

[10-Aug-2011 12:42:35] <JohnnyNOC> ran zenperfsnmp manually, and now they're back

[10-Aug-2011 12:42:56] <JohnnyNOC> so if it is indeed a case of me somehow corrupting the RRDs, how can i dump the info from them into new RRDs with the same data

[10-Aug-2011 12:43:57] <JohnnyNOC> looking at rrddump now

[10-Aug-2011 12:44:13] <JohnnyNOC> looks like i can dump them to xml and restore

[10-Aug-2011 12:44:17] <JohnnyNOC> we'll find out

[10-Aug-2011 12:44:53] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Alrighty

[10-Aug-2011 12:45:06] <Hackman238> This is offtopic...but serious market faceplant again today

[10-Aug-2011 12:46:25] <JohnnyNOC> ugh

[10-Aug-2011 12:46:27] <JohnnyNOC> tell me abou tit

[10-Aug-2011 12:46:29] <JohnnyNOC> shit is going crazy here

[10-Aug-2011 12:46:33] <JohnnyNOC> people calling in trying to sell shit

[10-Aug-2011 12:46:40] <JohnnyNOC> having margin accounts called

[10-Aug-2011 12:46:46] <JohnnyNOC> the hedge fund guys are going nuts too

[10-Aug-2011 12:46:59] <JohnnyNOC> the past few days have been really stressful

[10-Aug-2011 12:58:11] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Great market to buy in

[10-Aug-2011 12:58:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Buy buy buy

[10-Aug-2011 13:20:05] <Retenodus> Hi

[10-Aug-2011 13:31:03] <Hackman238> Retenodus: Hi there

[10-Aug-2011 13:43:37] <JohnnyNOC> anyone here use egor's distributed collector zenpack?

[10-Aug-2011 13:45:38] <Retenodus> I still try to monitor FreeBSD. With bsnmp and net-snmp I've the same result : I can monitor IP Services and interfaces, but neither filesystem nor CPU/RAM utilization

[10-Aug-2011 13:46:12] <Retenodus> I've tried to use Linux/Solaris/Discovered templates, but the result is the same

[10-Aug-2011 13:47:48] <Hackman238> Retenodus: You'll need to modify the templates to hit the counters for filesystems and CPU on the BSD snmp stack

[10-Aug-2011 13:48:14] <Hackman238> Retenodus: Have you tried the darwin class?

[10-Aug-2011 13:48:25] <Retenodus> Hackman : no, I didn't know Darwin

[10-Aug-2011 13:48:34] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I've used it before. Whats up?

[10-Aug-2011 13:48:47] <Hackman238> Retenodus: Darwin is sorta bsd

[10-Aug-2011 13:49:57] <Hackman238> Retenodus: Scratch that

[10-Aug-2011 13:50:05] <Hackman238> Retenodus: Its BSD thats the problem

[10-Aug-2011 13:50:10] <Hackman238> Retenodus: See here http://www.ateamsystems.com/blog/freebsd-snmpd-not-reporting-cpu-and-other-stats

[10-Aug-2011 13:50:23] <Hackman238> Retenodus: Must be enabled

[10-Aug-2011 13:53:09] <JohnnyNOC> just wondering if you can easily setup multiple remote collectors on the same device

[10-Aug-2011 13:53:17] <JohnnyNOC> ie, a 1min and a 5min collector running on the same box

[10-Aug-2011 13:55:41] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Multiple logical collectors? No. Unfortunately not

[10-Aug-2011 13:55:52] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: The pack could be extended to do this

[10-Aug-2011 14:00:13] <JohnnyNOC> darn

[10-Aug-2011 14:00:41] <JohnnyNOC> nothing's ever easy

[10-Aug-2011 14:02:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: The enterprise pack does do this.

[10-Aug-2011 14:03:00] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I'll add this to our wish list for when the ZCA builds a roadmap

[10-Aug-2011 14:03:27] <JohnnyNOC> sweet

[10-Aug-2011 14:03:28] <JohnnyNOC> btw

[10-Aug-2011 14:03:40] <JohnnyNOC> i think i have IBM working on creating a ZenPack for monitoring their servers via their IMM

[10-Aug-2011 14:03:46] <JohnnyNOC> like, an HP iLO or Dell DRAC

[10-Aug-2011 14:04:36] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Very cool

[10-Aug-2011 14:06:18] <Hackman238> Retenodus: Any luck?

[10-Aug-2011 14:07:38] <Retenodus> Hackman238 : yes, I waited for data is collected, and it seems good for CPU/RAM utilization

[10-Aug-2011 14:07:48] <Hackman238> Retenodus: Nice.

[10-Aug-2011 14:07:49] <Retenodus> But I've no info about filesystem

[10-Aug-2011 14:09:37] <Hackman238> Retenodus: Im not seening much on the bsd implementation of fs monitoring via snmp

[10-Aug-2011 14:09:43] <Hackman238> Retenodus: It might not be implemented

[10-Aug-2011 14:10:05] <Retenodus> Hackman238 : Oh

[10-Aug-2011 14:10:52] <Hackman238> Retenodus: I dont really know. If it is it either needs enabling or is on OIDs that zenoss isnt familliar with and therefore requires some modeller/template tweaking

[10-Aug-2011 14:31:04] <rhoulihan> JohnnyNOC:  What IBM group are you working with?

[10-Aug-2011 14:38:18] <Retenodus> Hackman238 : Hum, I wonder if file systens shouldn't at least appear in the components list

[10-Aug-2011 14:42:34] <Hackman238> Retenodus: They wont if zenoss cant find them in the snmp output from the device

[10-Aug-2011 14:43:25] <Retenodus> Hackman238 : okay, thanks

[10-Aug-2011 14:48:05] <JohnnyNOC> rhoulihan not sure how to ansewr your question..  we have some sales guys we work with who roped in some people from their Linux Technology Center

[10-Aug-2011 14:50:02] <rhoulihan> JohnnyNOC:  That answers it, the LTC guys are cool...any idea who the developers are that are working on IMM support?

[10-Aug-2011 14:50:23] <JohnnyNOC> his name is David Heller

[10-Aug-2011 14:50:48] <JohnnyNOC> is he a noob?

[10-Aug-2011 14:50:50] <JohnnyNOC> jjk

[10-Aug-2011 14:51:16] <rhoulihan> lol, he's good actually...I know him

[10-Aug-2011 14:51:59] <rhoulihan> worked with him back in 2005 when my company was acquired

[10-Aug-2011 14:52:07] <JohnnyNOC> oh yea?  nice

[10-Aug-2011 14:52:18] <rhoulihan> seemed pretty high speed if he's the same guy I am thinking about

[10-Aug-2011 14:52:50] <JohnnyNOC> yea he certainly seems to know his stuff.

[10-Aug-2011 14:53:10] <JohnnyNOC> should i tell him you said hi?

[10-Aug-2011 14:53:10] <JohnnyNOC>

[10-Aug-2011 14:54:34] <rhoulihan> lol, sure...he may not know who the hell I am anymore

[10-Aug-2011 14:57:44] <rhoulihan> tell him to ping me if he needs any technical assistance

[10-Aug-2011 14:57:53] <rhoulihan> rhoulihan@zenoss.com

[10-Aug-2011 14:59:53] <JohnnyNOC> awesome

[10-Aug-2011 15:00:07] <JohnnyNOC> will do

[10-Aug-2011 15:20:54] laperrm2 is now known as marklap

[10-Aug-2011 16:12:19] <nyeates> Hi all

[10-Aug-2011 16:12:31] <nyeates> heh nice topic, i wonder what the context was

[10-Aug-2011 16:13:21] <Simon4> "I just realised that deleting those data points from the default filesystem template wasn't a good idea"

[10-Aug-2011 16:13:23] <Simon4> from memory

[10-Aug-2011 16:13:48] <dhopp> Simon4:  or from experience :-P

[10-Aug-2011 16:14:46] <Hackman238> LOL

[10-Aug-2011 16:14:58] <nyeates> heh yeah, ive heard engineering debate whether we should give warnings on particular 'root' device class stuff

[10-Aug-2011 16:27:52] <JohnnyNOC> if i delete a device through the GUI, will that action show up in a log somewhere?

[10-Aug-2011 16:28:07] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: In the ZMI under undo

[10-Aug-2011 16:28:59] <JohnnyNOC> i don't know what that means

[10-Aug-2011 16:29:45] <dpetzel> nyeates: You guys are out of baltimore right?

[10-Aug-2011 16:29:46] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: In http://yourzenoss:8080/zport/dmd/manage on the undo tab

[10-Aug-2011 16:31:13] <JohnnyNOC> hrm

[10-Aug-2011 16:31:18] <JohnnyNOC> this only goes back as far as early today

[10-Aug-2011 16:31:19] <JohnnyNOC>

[10-Aug-2011 16:31:31] <JohnnyNOC> i need to go back a few days ago

[10-Aug-2011 16:32:20] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hum. Sorry, I dont know where you can find that

[10-Aug-2011 16:33:44] <JohnnyNOC> it's all good

[10-Aug-2011 16:33:50] <JohnnyNOC> i hope i remember that, the undo tab

[10-Aug-2011 16:33:50] <JohnnyNOC>

[10-Aug-2011 16:34:19] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: The undo tab is really helpful when one tests changes in production LOL

[10-Aug-2011 16:35:35] <JohnnyNOC> heh

[10-Aug-2011 16:35:51] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: "I dont always test my code, but when I do, I test in production"

[10-Aug-2011 16:35:57] <Hackman238>

[10-Aug-2011 16:39:40] <JohnnyNOC> livin on the edge

[10-Aug-2011 16:39:41] <JohnnyNOC> i rikey

[10-Aug-2011 16:39:47] <superdug> Hello everyone!  I was wondering if anyone had documented a process to have ZenOSS community edition send an SMS through a gateway such as SMSified or Twillio that use a REST api for sending/receiving messages?

[10-Aug-2011 16:45:34] <nyeates> dpetzel: I live near bmore and work in office out of annapolis

[10-Aug-2011 16:45:54] <dpetzel> nyeates: You guys gonna have anyone at Surge in Sept?

[10-Aug-2011 16:46:28] <nyeates> On the ZMI undo functionality....dont go thinking you can undo way back....its mostly for if you JUST made a mistake. I think that it has to undo everything newer than the undo

[10-Aug-2011 16:46:31] <nyeates> so if you have:

[10-Aug-2011 16:46:43] <nyeates> obj change 1

[10-Aug-2011 16:46:43] <nyeates> obj change 2

[10-Aug-2011 16:46:43] <nyeates> objchange 3

[10-Aug-2011 16:46:49] <nyeates> and u undo 3, it will undo all of them

[10-Aug-2011 16:47:47] <nyeates> surge....OH do the php company run that?

[10-Aug-2011 16:47:49] <nyeates> i think so

[10-Aug-2011 16:48:04] <nyeates> I had not given it thought, but I can look into it since we are planning to go to more events again

[10-Aug-2011 16:48:31] <dpetzel> http://omniti.com/surge/2011, we'll have a few folks attending

[10-Aug-2011 16:48:45] <dpetzel> so if you or anyone from Zenoss were going to be there, wanted to be sure to swing by and say hello

[10-Aug-2011 16:49:42] <nyeates> Yeah omniti with theo scholssnagle, etc....guys wrote books on php

[10-Aug-2011 16:50:04] <nyeates> I had wanted to work at omniti for a bit since i was big on php a while ago

[10-Aug-2011 16:50:29] <dpetzel> we wnt last year, it was a pretty good event, want a pitch for the company at all, but had some really good speakers

[10-Aug-2011 16:50:40] <dpetzel> really small vendor both section

[10-Aug-2011 16:50:52] <nyeates> ill say hi if we go....at the least, *I* will try and go

[10-Aug-2011 16:51:03] <nyeates> what company you work for dpetzel?

[10-Aug-2011 16:52:20] <dpetzel> nyeates: Disney

[10-Aug-2011 16:52:42] <Retenodus> I try to do active monitoring of interfaces of a Cisco switch. I've followed the instructions here : docs/DOC-2494

[10-Aug-2011 16:53:21] <Retenodus> My problem is that I've an error per interface which says that the current value is 2. And it's the case for up and down interfaces

[10-Aug-2011 16:53:22] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Can you get me discounts on admission?

[10-Aug-2011 16:53:54] <dpetzel> Hackman238: If you can somehow trace family tree and find a relationship sure! aside from that not so much

[10-Aug-2011 16:54:10] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Ah darn

[10-Aug-2011 16:54:40] <nyeates> half off disney tix? I can go marry your sister!.... oh wait, im already married

[10-Aug-2011 16:55:00] <dpetzel> lol

[10-Aug-2011 16:55:30] <nyeates> Thanks for the Surge recommendation

[10-Aug-2011 16:55:48] <Hackman238> nyeates: Doesnt hurt to have two. One takes care of the kids, the other cleans

[10-Aug-2011 16:56:04] <dpetzel> nyeates: NP, firgured given the close proximity thought there might be a chance

[10-Aug-2011 17:00:32] <Hackman238> Later all!

[10-Aug-2011 17:17:14] <Retenodus> oh, in fact, Zenoss considers that an interface is down if it's unplugged. What I seek is have an alert when a an interface is "administravely down", i.e his state is "unknown".

[10-Aug-2011 17:17:35] <Retenodus> is there a "code number" for the state "unknown" ?

[10-Aug-2011 17:36:08] <nyeates> Retenodus: I do not know much about this, but i figure i can give at least some input

[10-Aug-2011 17:36:40] <nyeates> I know that in 2.x we would give both administratively up/down and Operationally Up/down

[10-Aug-2011 17:36:45] <nyeates> let me see if i see this in 3.x

[10-Aug-2011 17:36:57] <Retenodus> nyeates : okay, thanks

[10-Aug-2011 17:37:32] <nyeates> It was marked as O, A, and M

[10-Aug-2011 17:37:50] <nyeates> M being if the interface was being monitored by zenoss or not

[10-Aug-2011 17:38:22] <Retenodus> Hum, where should I have O, A and M ?

[10-Aug-2011 17:39:17] <nyeates> I think its changed in 3.x

[10-Aug-2011 17:39:23] <nyeates> we revamped UI

[10-Aug-2011 17:39:35] <nyeates> I see a status column, one showing Up and another Unknown

[10-Aug-2011 17:39:42] <nyeates> so if you highlight a interface

[10-Aug-2011 17:39:52] <nyeates> and then click in to its details (in the lower window)

[10-Aug-2011 17:40:16] <nyeates> it has Administrative Status: 1 Operational Status: 1

[10-Aug-2011 17:40:25] <Retenodus> Oh yes, thanks

[10-Aug-2011 17:40:40] <nyeates> No problem!

[10-Aug-2011 17:40:57] <Retenodus> And if I follow docs/DOC-2494 with administrative status, when data will be collected ?

[10-Aug-2011 17:41:18] <Retenodus> with model device, every 12 hours, or every 5/10 minutes like other data ?

[10-Aug-2011 17:42:29] <nyeates> this is operational status only that that webpage adds

[10-Aug-2011 17:42:31] <nyeates> as an OID

[10-Aug-2011 17:43:05] <nyeates> it will be collected every snmp performance cycle

[10-Aug-2011 17:44:08] <nyeates> which is every 5 mins by default

[10-Aug-2011 17:44:46] <JohnnyNOC> do people tend to avoid trying to use 60s collection times?

[10-Aug-2011 17:45:08] <nyeates> I think so - it puts a lot of overhead traffic on the network

[10-Aug-2011 17:45:35] <nyeates> and also it might not fit all the collection within that time period, and they will start overlapping and not collecting all datapoints

[10-Aug-2011 17:45:58] <JohnnyNOC> because it takes longer than 1min to collect all the data you mean?

[10-Aug-2011 17:46:12] <nyeates> yes

[10-Aug-2011 17:46:28] <nyeates> i mean, im sure it depends on your setup

[10-Aug-2011 17:46:33] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*

[10-Aug-2011 17:46:42] <nyeates> if you have a management network or something - you could do what you want

[10-Aug-2011 17:47:44] <nyeates> When ppl have requested low polling cycles, we first ask why they need such resolution....most issues in larger environments dont need that resolution

[10-Aug-2011 17:48:01] <nyeates> what is more realistic, is that certain machines or networks need higher resolution perf

[10-Aug-2011 17:48:28] <nyeates> and to do this, you make a seperate collector (all daemons are duplicated) and you put the machines that need that differeing cycle onto that collector

[10-Aug-2011 17:48:49] <nyeates> the snmp cycle is a setting on the collector setting page

[10-Aug-2011 17:52:50] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*

[10-Aug-2011 17:52:56] <JohnnyNOC> we've been doing that

[10-Aug-2011 17:53:07] <JohnnyNOC> i was disappointed to find out we can't use logical collectors using egors distributed collector zenpack

[10-Aug-2011 17:53:25] <JohnnyNOC> because ideally on each physical collector we'd have a 1min and a 5min

[10-Aug-2011 17:53:29] <JohnnyNOC> oh well

[10-Aug-2011 17:57:37] <dhopp> nyeates:  I'm actually sort of fighting that now…we currently in our existing monitoring system (not zenoss) do almost everything in 60-90 second intervals and I'm saying that isn't necessary and that with zenoss we are going to go from ~20 data points/server to 100+ datapoints/server and that it  probably isn't feasible to do 1 minute without a crap load of collectors

[10-Aug-2011 17:58:30] <dhopp> status checks make sense every minute…I have yet to work somewhere that needs less then 5 minutes for performance (outside of bandwidth billing)

[10-Aug-2011 18:04:13] <Retenodus> nyeates : it works, now. Thanks again !

[10-Aug-2011 18:09:40] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away

[10-Aug-2011 18:33:18] <nyeates> dhopp: thx for backing me up

[10-Aug-2011 18:48:57] <Sam-I-Am> yo homies

[10-Aug-2011 19:45:07] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[10-Aug-2011 19:52:54] <c00p> anyone here built a network weathermap off zenoss data ?

[10-Aug-2011 19:53:32] <locohost> cant say i have c00p

[10-Aug-2011 19:53:37] <locohost> where would you get the data from?

[10-Aug-2011 19:54:23] <c00p> well if you're monitoring all your network devices interfaces and generating graphs, there

[10-Aug-2011 19:55:09] <c00p> http://www.network-weathermap.com/gallery

[10-Aug-2011 19:55:50] <locohost> neeto

[10-Aug-2011 19:56:30] <locohost> i actually though you  meant weather, like maybe you were graphing 10k cable modems scattered across the country

[10-Aug-2011 19:56:50] <locohost> something like that owuld be really really cool, para realtime

[10-Aug-2011 19:56:55] <c00p> lol

[10-Aug-2011 19:56:58] <locohost> have you seen the aggregate bandwidth reports

[10-Aug-2011 19:57:19] <c00p> but yeh - would be fantastic to model customer networks on ... so they can see what 'path' are busy

[10-Aug-2011 19:57:21] <locohost> just sorting all your interfaces by utilization is cool enough

[10-Aug-2011 19:57:23] <c00p> 'paths'

[10-Aug-2011 19:58:45] <locohost> how would zenoss know that, for example, your 6509 catalyst "Core_1 Ge1/1 was linked to port Ge1/1 on your 2nd floor office 3750?" or osmething

[10-Aug-2011 20:02:12] <locohost> A san weather map would be nice too, wish I could graph how fast each of my disks were spinning

[10-Aug-2011 21:33:04] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away

[10-Aug-2011 21:34:12] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[10-Aug-2011 21:44:35] <c00p> locohost: you conf all that with the weather map and it extracts the data

[10-Aug-2011 21:45:00] <locohost> wait..

[10-Aug-2011 21:45:21] <locohost> so, weathermap is like an opensource prog you can script to read your rrd;s?

[10-Aug-2011 23:22:29] <c00p> locohost: ya I believe

[10-Aug-2011 23:22:41] <c00p> 2011-08-11 13:20:18,597 ERROR zen.zenwin: Configuration for ICTN-PDC02 unavailable

[10-Aug-2011 23:22:44] <c00p> hmm

[10-Aug-2011 23:30:17] <locohost> dunno the answer, but zenwin debug, i think

[10-Aug-2011 23:30:27] <locohost> and try again, may give you more detail

[10-Aug-2011 23:30:30] <locohost> (as zenoss)

[10-Aug-2011 23:49:28] <c00p> yeh that was doing that ... does not seem to be even trying to connect :-\

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[11-Aug-2011 00:16:24] <c00p> Could not read Windows services (NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED). Check your username/password settings and verify network connectivity. - I have tested the account and entered the password and username 4 times

[11-Aug-2011 00:16:45] <c00p> I put DOMAIN\zenoss as username don't I?

[11-Aug-2011 00:20:22] <locohost> i would think i dont have the enterprize so i dont get wmi

[11-Aug-2011 00:20:39] <locohost> acc not locked out

[11-Aug-2011 00:20:52] <locohost> there is some wmi script to test manual autentication

[11-Aug-2011 00:21:19] <c00p> on a windows box? I have tried that

[11-Aug-2011 00:21:20] <locohost> im about to go to sleep, though im not much help, dont seem like this channel is active this time of night

[11-Aug-2011 00:21:23] <locohost> try back at noon

[11-Aug-2011 00:21:32] <c00p> I shall

[11-Aug-2011 00:21:36] * Sam-I-Am hasnt done a lot of wmi stuff with zenoss

[11-Aug-2011 00:21:40] <Sam-I-Am> more of the network side

[11-Aug-2011 00:22:00] <c00p> yeah same - but we have windows crap so I thought I should monitor it

[11-Aug-2011 00:22:17] <Sam-I-Am> wmi is painful

[11-Aug-2011 00:22:25] <locohost> special chars or something in the pass?

[11-Aug-2011 00:22:27] <Sam-I-Am> theres a lot of docs about its quirkiness

[11-Aug-2011 00:22:48] <locohost> ive seen that error before and there was another explination other then pass wrong, forgot what it was though

[11-Aug-2011 00:23:03] <locohost> other then obvous like pass locked out

[11-Aug-2011 00:23:14] <locohost> zenoss user may need to be part of some groups

[11-Aug-2011 00:23:43] <locohost> for kinks and gigles, maybe make zenoss domain admin, see if it works then remove access if it does and figure out what wmi groups it needs to be part of

[11-Aug-2011 00:26:37] <c00p> o really - yeh tis a weird pass

[11-Aug-2011 00:26:42] <c00p> will make a normal one

[11-Aug-2011 00:26:56] <c00p> will try the domain admin as well

[11-Aug-2011 00:27:14] <locohost> might be pulling this out of my but, but if i remmber, it may handle all special characters okay, except for maybe a $

[11-Aug-2011 00:27:43] <locohost> that kinda doesnt make sense to me, but grasping at straws, maybe i just guessed that when i was troubleshooting a simlar issue

[11-Aug-2011 00:28:55] <locohost> thread/12048

[11-Aug-2011 00:28:59] <locohost> something like this?

[11-Aug-2011 00:31:12] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away

[11-Aug-2011 00:31:35] <locohost> got to be 20m away at work in 6hr so about to head out, good luck

[11-Aug-2011 05:10:10] <photon001> Hi

[11-Aug-2011 05:10:12] <photon001> anyone here ?

[11-Aug-2011 05:10:44] <tsener>

[11-Aug-2011 05:11:19] <photon001> ^^

[11-Aug-2011 05:11:32] <photon001> I need some help creating custom/z properties

[11-Aug-2011 05:11:42] <Nariuz> Hi, i have been looking into the network map feature of zenoss, and stumbled into a small problem. I see this problem have been happening in both version 2 and 3 (we are using the latest stable) and that is the network map never shows anything if you use IP's instead of hostnames, even if it's the ip of one host, or an entire subnet. Any ideas why?

[11-Aug-2011 05:22:30] <tsener> hm this one works correctly with IP format  for me

[11-Aug-2011 05:22:38] <tsener> I use 2.5

[11-Aug-2011 05:28:32] <luizzmizz> Nariuz: I've been playing with the NetworkMap... and doing some modifications on the getXMLEdges wich NetworkMap uses to obtain information

[11-Aug-2011 05:30:09] <luizzmizz> nariuiz: if you want to see what info is retrieved, you can use http://ZENOSSHOST:8080/zport/dmd/getXMLEdges?objid=OBJECT&depth=1

[11-Aug-2011 05:30:32] <luizzmizz> nariuz: it returns a xml which springgraph parses and draws

[11-Aug-2011 05:35:50] <Nariuz> Ah thanks luizzmizz

[11-Aug-2011 05:38:14] <luizzmizz> nariuz: the thing that happens to me, if I search a ip from a server: the network containing this IP is the main node, as an ipaddress is an object belonging to that network

[11-Aug-2011 05:38:48] <luizzmizz> nariuz: so it's going to draw your network, and this graph is going to include your host

[11-Aug-2011 05:53:34] <photon001> how can I create a custom o zproperty specific to a class plz ?

[11-Aug-2011 06:21:46] <luizzmizz> is there any way on zenoss to pause or "unmanage" a device? when I mark a device as (i.e) "decomissioned", it keeps getting monitorized...

[11-Aug-2011 06:48:05] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[11-Aug-2011 07:25:41] <Nariuz> someone has experience using zenoss to monitor EVA using HPEVAMon and WBEM?

[11-Aug-2011 07:26:29] <Nariuz> "add the IP address or hostname of the EVA Command View server"

[11-Aug-2011 07:26:42] <Nariuz> does this mean a windows server that the command view app is installed?

[11-Aug-2011 07:32:29] <bigegor> yes

[11-Aug-2011 07:32:35] <Nariuz> Thanks

[11-Aug-2011 07:38:59] <zykes-> is there anything i can do to translate snmptraps into readable stuff ?

[11-Aug-2011 07:46:24] <fragfutter> zykes-: import the mibs

[11-Aug-2011 07:47:40] <zykes-> fragfutter: i have

[11-Aug-2011 07:47:45] <zykes-> but it'

[11-Aug-2011 07:47:55] <zykes-> it's still like snmp trap fgTrapVpnTunUp

[11-Aug-2011 07:47:58] <zykes-> only in msg

[11-Aug-2011 08:22:36] <fragfutter> zykes-: this _is_ the translated value. otherwise you would see a nice long OID number

[11-Aug-2011 08:23:04] <fragfutter> zykes-: you want to add a transformation

[11-Aug-2011 08:24:17] * Simon4 gave up on snmp traps for this reason, I just pipe syslog to zenoss, then you get human-readable messages without transforms

[11-Aug-2011 08:33:02] <zykes-> fragfutter: isn't it possible to make .py files in a zenpack to take care of that ?

[11-Aug-2011 08:33:10] <zykes-> Simon4: my fw doesn't do that

[11-Aug-2011 08:35:30] <Guest94635> when does 3.2 come out? Has there been a date yet?

[11-Aug-2011 08:35:41] <Hackman238> Guest94635: Its slated to be out very soon

[11-Aug-2011 08:35:46] <Hackman238> Morning all

[11-Aug-2011 08:35:48] <Guest94635>

[11-Aug-2011 08:37:11] <Nariuz> Morning Hackman238

[11-Aug-2011 08:37:26] <Nariuz> Ah this Eva pack is very nice, but a pain to get to work

[11-Aug-2011 08:39:16] <fragfutter> Nariuz: take care the author is in the channel

[11-Aug-2011 08:39:25] <Nariuz> Ah that is nice to know

[11-Aug-2011 08:39:50] <Nariuz> He got alot of good and working packs

[11-Aug-2011 08:40:11] <fragfutter> and it's not me. (just to make sure)

[11-Aug-2011 08:40:24] <Nariuz> yeah i saw him in the list now

[11-Aug-2011 08:40:25] <Hackman238> Nariuz: Eva pack?

[11-Aug-2011 08:40:32] <Nariuz> HPEVAmon

[11-Aug-2011 08:40:43] <Nariuz> docs/DOC-5867

[11-Aug-2011 08:40:44] <Hackman238> Nariuz: Oh gotcha

[11-Aug-2011 08:43:01] <JohnnyNOC> luizzmizz i created a /Devices/Unallocated device class and disabled all monitoring in that device class

[11-Aug-2011 08:43:19] <JohnnyNOC> i think that did it but to be hoenst i haven't been looking through logs to confirm

[11-Aug-2011 08:44:37] <Nariuz> Just gonna post the question. I followed the install instructions, adding the WWN name for that EVA (without the "-" between) As a hostIP, also added the winUser and the user/pass to CommandView. Modeling the Device just returns "collection for device WWN" No wmi found, no python, no command, snmp monitoring off, no portscan plugin. So ofcourse i wont get any information from it, which is sad

[11-Aug-2011 08:44:37] <Nariuz>

[11-Aug-2011 08:46:04] <Nariuz> the funny thing, might be a bug. i Tried to add the device again, using "-" between every 4th WWN number, as it is displayed in Command View. Then the device is added, but wont show up on any list, or search results for that device, it still says (2) when i watch how many devices that should be on the list, aka the working one, and the one i can't see.

[11-Aug-2011 08:55:49] <luizzmizz> JohnyNOC, sorry for the delay on my answer...

[11-Aug-2011 08:56:09] <Hackman238> 7

[11-Aug-2011 08:56:12] <luizzmizz> JohnyNOC: how did you do the "disable all monitoring in the device class"

[11-Aug-2011 08:56:15] <Sam-I-Am> moo

[11-Aug-2011 08:56:43] <fragfutter> luizzmizz: remove all plugins for this class, set zPingMonitor to false

[11-Aug-2011 08:57:50] <luizzmizz> DOW!

[11-Aug-2011 08:57:57] <luizzmizz> ok, thats a good way

[11-Aug-2011 08:58:03] <luizzmizz> and i'm a little silly sometimes

[11-Aug-2011 08:58:10] <luizzmizz> fragfutter:thanks a lot!

[11-Aug-2011 08:59:00] <Sam-I-Am> dow... isnt that the thing that goes down?

[11-Aug-2011 08:59:31] <luizzmizz> it was more a homer simpson expression...

[11-Aug-2011 09:00:58] <fragfutter> Sam-I-Am: *yikes*

[11-Aug-2011 09:02:00] <Sam-I-Am> economy ftw

[11-Aug-2011 09:02:31] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Great time to buy

[11-Aug-2011 09:03:58] <Sam-I-Am> if i buy it goes down further

[11-Aug-2011 09:04:15] <Sam-I-Am> i know my luck

[11-Aug-2011 09:04:21] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Ah ok

[11-Aug-2011 09:04:39] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Can always buy low and setup some calls for insurance

[11-Aug-2011 09:04:53] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Depends on the stock.

[11-Aug-2011 09:06:00] <Hackman238> nyeates: How goes it?

[11-Aug-2011 09:09:34] * Sam-I-Am makes coffee

[11-Aug-2011 09:10:09] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: In Soviet Russia coffee makes you!

[11-Aug-2011 09:12:59] <Sam-I-Am> yes

[11-Aug-2011 09:14:27] <Hackman238> (couldn't help after the mention of the Simpsons)

[11-Aug-2011 09:15:40] <nyeates> woo

[11-Aug-2011 09:15:43] <Sam-I-Am> having trouble waking up this morning

[11-Aug-2011 09:15:43] <nyeates> woof even

[11-Aug-2011 09:16:01] <fragfutter> display-port -> dvi -> vga ; three adapters in a row...

[11-Aug-2011 09:16:25] <nyeates> display downgrade

[11-Aug-2011 09:16:25] <fragfutter> time for a new monitor

[11-Aug-2011 09:16:48] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Just asking for something to break LOL

[11-Aug-2011 09:16:52] <fragfutter> actualy i only need to serial port on the system. the monitor is for the sissies

[11-Aug-2011 09:17:58] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Has comm based management?

[11-Aug-2011 09:18:02] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Tyan board?

[11-Aug-2011 09:18:35] <Hackman238> ...speaking of this...http://hackaday.com/2011/08/11/add-a-real-life-hardware-terminal-to-that-newfangled-computer-of-yours/

[11-Aug-2011 09:18:58] <nyeates> hmmm, who set the topic heh?

[11-Aug-2011 09:19:24] <fragfutter> nyeates: someone cheated

[11-Aug-2011 09:19:36] <fragfutter> nyeates: btw. what are you doing here

[11-Aug-2011 09:19:47] <nyeates> well, tomorrow is my birthday

[11-Aug-2011 09:19:52] <nyeates> and i will be working!

[11-Aug-2011 09:19:53] <Hackman238> nyeates: I did.

[11-Aug-2011 09:20:06] <fragfutter> nyeates: that's good, because i have a day off

[11-Aug-2011 09:20:10] <Hackman238> nyeates: I figured set it today incase you werent working on your  bday

[11-Aug-2011 09:20:15] <nyeates> Wow tho, THANKS

[11-Aug-2011 09:20:30] <nyeates> I guess that is what i get for making all of my info so public :-p

[11-Aug-2011 09:20:49] <Hackman238> nyeates: NP. Hey, if its public on skype, its public everywhere. LOL

[11-Aug-2011 09:20:53] <JohnnyNOC> LDAP auth

[11-Aug-2011 09:20:54] <JohnnyNOC> omg

[11-Aug-2011 09:20:57] <Hackman238> nyeates: So you're working tomorrow?

[11-Aug-2011 09:21:02] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Whats up?

[11-Aug-2011 09:21:13] <nyeates> seriously tho, thanks for the thought - that means a lot

[11-Aug-2011 09:21:32] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 just a pain in the ass thus far.  docs are old and aren't very clear to be honest

[11-Aug-2011 09:21:40] <nyeates> yeah working tomorrow and then Chris P, co worker, and friends are going out for pizza and beers

[11-Aug-2011 09:21:52] <Hackman238> nyeates: Its no sweat- you do a lot for us

[11-Aug-2011 09:21:59] <JohnnyNOC> and i accidentally removed some LDAP folders from our production zenoss server instead of the dev server (i'm using screen)

[11-Aug-2011 09:22:09] <Hackman238> nyeates: Not too bad then

[11-Aug-2011 09:22:17] <JohnnyNOC> but fortunately i was able to stop zenoss, copy those back over, and everything is cool

[11-Aug-2011 09:22:25] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Oh darn.

[11-Aug-2011 09:22:32] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: you becoming old like the rest of us?

[11-Aug-2011 09:22:40] <JohnnyNOC> yea i need to exit some of these screens when i continue

[11-Aug-2011 09:22:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: A good idea is to tar up your zenoss dir before juggling any chainsaws

[11-Aug-2011 09:23:14] <nyeates> ahhh the joys of screen

[11-Aug-2011 09:23:21] <nyeates> yes 31!

[11-Aug-2011 09:23:45] <Hackman238> nyeates: Not old. LOl

[11-Aug-2011 09:24:02] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, 30 sucked

[11-Aug-2011 09:24:04] <Sam-I-Am> i hear 31 sucks more

[11-Aug-2011 09:24:09] <nyeates> Ive not compared the LDAP procedures for community vs enterprise.... do you do it all in the /manage screens?

[11-Aug-2011 09:24:11] <Sam-I-Am> were all ancient now

[11-Aug-2011 09:24:25] <Sam-I-Am> kids in high school were born when i was in high school

[11-Aug-2011 09:24:41] <Sam-I-Am> didnt know core had ldap

[11-Aug-2011 09:24:44] <nyeates> hah Sam

[11-Aug-2011 09:24:59] <Hackman238> nyeates: Have to configure it  in the ZMI, yeah

[11-Aug-2011 09:25:13] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Yep. Its touch and go- but it works

[11-Aug-2011 09:26:45] <nyeates> AD was easier for us to get setup in zenoss than openldap or the likes

[11-Aug-2011 09:27:19] <nyeates> M$ for the win.... which is not as often these days

[11-Aug-2011 09:28:20] <Sam-I-Am> surprisng

[11-Aug-2011 09:29:20] <Hackman238> You know, it seems to me the ldap setup for core can be zenpack-ified. I'll add it to the roadmap

[11-Aug-2011 09:29:35] <Hackman238> LDAP and AD

[11-Aug-2011 09:29:46] <Sam-I-Am> cool

[11-Aug-2011 09:30:00] <Sam-I-Am> so how is the core vs. ent situation these days

[11-Aug-2011 09:30:36] <nyeates> fighting the good fight - hoping open source wins :-)

[11-Aug-2011 09:30:52] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: 3.2 will address lots of core performance and scale issues and several items are in discussion about what will be brought to core and what wont.

[11-Aug-2011 09:31:04] <kickehy> anyone have any porlets they prefer?

[11-Aug-2011 09:31:09] <nyeates> put some pressure on us, light that fire under our butts....go put the code base on git somewhere or something

[11-Aug-2011 09:31:09] <kickehy> portlets*

[11-Aug-2011 09:31:18] <Nariuz> will an upgrade from 3.1 to 3.2 mean alot of reconfigure?

[11-Aug-2011 09:31:40] <Hackman238> Nariuz: Should be seemless

[11-Aug-2011 09:31:55] <Nariuz> That's good to hear

[11-Aug-2011 09:31:57] <Hackman238> nyeates: dont worry- its coming. ; )

[11-Aug-2011 09:32:05] <Sam-I-Am> kickehy: i like show graph

[11-Aug-2011 09:32:08] <Nariuz> im in need of snmpv3 traps ^^

[11-Aug-2011 09:32:39] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: interesting

[11-Aug-2011 09:32:45] <Hackman238> nyeates: Juggling many many projects and some new life changing issues simultaniously.

[11-Aug-2011 09:32:57] <Sam-I-Am> mm life changing

[11-Aug-2011 09:33:02] <Sam-I-Am> isnt zenoss life changing?

[11-Aug-2011 09:33:34] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: More life changing than that.

[11-Aug-2011 09:33:35] <fragfutter> ldap authentifaction is part of zope. And zenoss is using the zope users.

[11-Aug-2011 09:33:46] <nyeates> Hackman: divy it out to someone with more time - seriously, we need some more fuel to get shit moving again - whats in plans?

[11-Aug-2011 09:34:00] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: you're not spawning are you?

[11-Aug-2011 09:34:15] <Nariuz> I laughed when i saw the list of how much less we pay, for zenoss, compared to nimbus

[11-Aug-2011 09:34:49] <Hackman238> nyeates: Will be pretty quick.

[11-Aug-2011 09:34:51] <kickehy> Sam-I-Am: I'll agree it's life changing, helped us this morning catch an issue where the memory was maxed out on one of our servers...was able to reboot before the help desk calls came in at 8 ^_^

[11-Aug-2011 09:34:51] <Nariuz> nimbus has the same nazi licenses as oracle

[11-Aug-2011 09:35:05] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Its on that scale

[11-Aug-2011 09:35:15] <nyeates> kickehy: NICE

[11-Aug-2011 09:35:37] <Hackman238> Nariuz: Yikes....when I hear Nimbus I think of a bloated disaster like the Nimbus ship in Futurama

[11-Aug-2011 09:35:49] <nyeates> Is nimbus the same as nimsoft?

[11-Aug-2011 09:35:57] <Nariuz> Haha Hackman238

[11-Aug-2011 09:36:01] <Nariuz> yeah nyeates

[11-Aug-2011 09:36:04] <Nariuz> norwegian i think

[11-Aug-2011 09:36:41] <Sam-I-Am> i've not heard much about it

[11-Aug-2011 09:36:50] <nyeates> Hey - any of you that have been around for a while.... like longer then 8-12 months.... have you noticed a bunch of zenmasters drop off the radar?

[11-Aug-2011 09:36:56] <Nariuz> when the prices goes around 200k dollars a year just on sucky monitoring that doesn't work, is hard to scale, bad reporting, slow, and loves resources

[11-Aug-2011 09:37:27] <Hackman238> nyeates: Talking about in the forums or in IRC?

[11-Aug-2011 09:37:37] <nyeates> both...what are ppl's feeling?

[11-Aug-2011 09:37:42] <jmp242> we're incognito :p\

[11-Aug-2011 09:37:57] <Sam-I-Am> i havent spent enough time in the forums to notice... but on irc i think more people hang out during zenpack contests

[11-Aug-2011 09:38:18] <Sam-I-Am> i think we have more people sticking around after those though

[11-Aug-2011 09:38:20] <Hackman238> I think folks are around- its just busy. The flailing economy doesnt help either.

[11-Aug-2011 09:38:26] <Sam-I-Am> seasoned regulars

[11-Aug-2011 09:38:27] <jmp242> I can't say I've noticed a major dropoff

[11-Aug-2011 09:39:41] <nyeates> James: ok cool.... mr ray had said that many "active people" had either dropped off, gone to other projects, or stayed to fight

[11-Aug-2011 09:39:44] <jmp242> then again, I can't say I've been looking

[11-Aug-2011 09:39:52] <jmp242> specifically for that

[11-Aug-2011 09:40:12] <Hackman238> nyeates: Mr. Ray?

[11-Aug-2011 09:40:24] <jmp242> Matt Ray I presume

[11-Aug-2011 09:40:43] <Hackman238> Oh gotcha

[11-Aug-2011 09:41:07] <nyeates> Welp, I will reach out to all once we have all our engines revving

[11-Aug-2011 09:41:13] <Hackman238> Hum. Hes in here often, but its hit and miss. I dont know if its a good sample

[11-Aug-2011 09:41:38] <jmp242> I guess I expect some churn

[11-Aug-2011 09:41:46] <jmp242> people move on to other jobs etc

[11-Aug-2011 09:41:51] <nyeates> I know that Dave Nalley went and got himself a community mgr job at cloud.com and then got acquired by cisco

[11-Aug-2011 09:42:05] <Hackman238> jmp242: Very true

[11-Aug-2011 09:42:24] <Sam-I-Am> i had to find another job... no zenoss here yet

[11-Aug-2011 09:42:29] <Sam-I-Am> but i'm not leaving here

[11-Aug-2011 09:42:41] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Get Zenoss in there!

[11-Aug-2011 09:42:41] <nyeates> Sam: what is your title?

[11-Aug-2011 09:42:42] <Sam-I-Am> need to get some more horsepower to run a zenoss vm at home

[11-Aug-2011 09:43:14] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: i'm a consultant now... i install/configure/fix whatever they tell me.  i'm trying to get them to sell zenoss (or even just let me configure core for people)

[11-Aug-2011 09:43:28] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: working hard at it.. not getting very far

[11-Aug-2011 09:43:47] <Sam-I-Am> working with a customer now who has people log into all the switches daily to check interface stats, temperatures, alarms,etc... its hilariously wasteful

[11-Aug-2011 09:44:00] <nyeates> Gotcha. Maybe when you see the perfect client for it, just go under the radar and setup a simple yet effective core box and show it to them

[11-Aug-2011 09:44:00] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: OMG, painful

[11-Aug-2011 09:44:08] <Nariuz> lol Sam-I-Am sounds like they got little to do then

[11-Aug-2011 09:44:11] <nyeates> be like....ok now do i turn it off? or keep it on?

[11-Aug-2011 09:44:19] <Sam-I-Am> lol

[11-Aug-2011 09:44:25] <Sam-I-Am> i think this might be a perfect client

[11-Aug-2011 09:44:55] <Nariuz> Now to make Zenoss work with ServSensor and the SMS Gateway

[11-Aug-2011 09:44:58] <Sam-I-Am> what they're doing now is... just... wrong.

[11-Aug-2011 09:45:03] <Nariuz> *dives in*

[11-Aug-2011 09:46:14] <jmp242> is there a dev meeting today?

[11-Aug-2011 09:46:49] <Hackman238> jmp242: Good question

[11-Aug-2011 09:46:56] * nyeates looks at cal

[11-Aug-2011 09:47:19] <nyeates> no

[11-Aug-2011 09:47:29] <jmp242> ah, so just a lot of people in here then

[11-Aug-2011 09:47:40] <nyeates> So in the hopes that the new event system comes to core sometime in the future (crosses fingers), ive been doing a bunch of testing in avalon around events for a large super computing organization.

[11-Aug-2011 09:48:30] <nyeates> I sucessfully churned in 2 million events in 30 mins to a relatively low-provisioned VM zenoss box

[11-Aug-2011 09:48:58] <nyeates> The new event architecture is complex and new to learn, but bad a$$ performer

[11-Aug-2011 09:49:12] <Hackman238> nyeates: I'll agree, I've yet to break the event system here

[11-Aug-2011 09:49:31] <nyeates> effectively seperates events from all other parts o the system...no more locking up zenhub or UI when massive event spike hits

[11-Aug-2011 09:49:44] <Hackman238> cd ..

[11-Aug-2011 09:49:48] <Hackman238> Whoops.

[11-Aug-2011 09:50:31] <Hackman238> nyeates: Hows the likely hood of the event system -> core looking?

[11-Aug-2011 09:51:00] <nyeates> no more update since last time.... its what we need that fire under our butts for

[11-Aug-2011 09:51:14] <Hackman238> nyeates: Once I get a few of these other thigns ironed out I'm planning to throw google at you.

[11-Aug-2011 09:51:33] <Hackman238> nyeates: Well, Google and Rackspace.

[11-Aug-2011 09:51:50] <nyeates> get one of their guys to start frequenting here! or the forum or ZCA

[11-Aug-2011 09:52:28] <Hackman238> nyeates: Zenoss Inc will be like an outhouse standing next to a 80 floor office

[11-Aug-2011 09:52:51] <Hackman238> nyeates: Yeah, need to get back on that stuff. Promise I will.

[11-Aug-2011 09:53:28] <nyeates> Hackman238: Can you let them know, I am interested to talk at them... or are they staying under wraps?

[11-Aug-2011 09:54:03] <Hackman238> nyeates: I'll give my contacts your skype

[11-Aug-2011 09:54:35] <Hackman238> nyeates: Yes, google folks use skype.

[11-Aug-2011 09:54:37] <Hackman238> LOL

[11-Aug-2011 09:54:45] <Sam-I-Am> dont get yourselves fired

[11-Aug-2011 09:55:00] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: How so?

[11-Aug-2011 09:55:17] <Sam-I-Am> well, nyeates at least... fighting zenoss inc

[11-Aug-2011 09:56:33] <nyeates> Nuh uh....im helping our company

[11-Aug-2011 09:58:44] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Thing is everything good that goes in to Core will go in to the Ent products. If Core has more clout than Ent, then Core calls the shots and Zenoss Inc just sells service.

[11-Aug-2011 09:59:41] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Frankly thats all that Zenoss Inc sold up until Avalon- service. We'll keep them in their place as a service company by overpowering their development rate.

[11-Aug-2011 09:59:52] <nyeates> The community and successful open source is a growing necessary component for our org to make sales and for word of mouth to stretch to org's like google and cloud makers

[11-Aug-2011 10:00:04] <Hackman238> ^Yep

[11-Aug-2011 10:01:46] <Sam-I-Am> makes sense

[11-Aug-2011 10:02:29] <mennie> where can i see how often the device template Ping does its ping?

[11-Aug-2011 10:02:56] <nyeates> advanced > Collectors > localhost

[11-Aug-2011 10:03:27] <crazed> is zenoss 3.2 out?

[11-Aug-2011 10:04:15] <nyeates> mennie: its called 'Ping cycle time' default is 60 sec

[11-Aug-2011 10:04:17] <Hackman238> crazed: 3.2 isnt out yet

[11-Aug-2011 10:04:20] <nyeates> it is set per collector

[11-Aug-2011 10:04:40] <crazed> Hackman238: thanks it didn't look like it

[11-Aug-2011 10:04:48] <nyeates> for 3.2 feature list see: blogs/zenossblog/2011/08/04/zenoss-core-320-feature-and-bug-list

[11-Aug-2011 10:04:55] <Hackman238> crazed: Check back soon- should be coming pretty quick

[11-Aug-2011 10:05:05] <nyeates> End of Aug, begining of Sept

[11-Aug-2011 10:05:41] <nyeates> i should go see if we have any beta builds of it yet

[11-Aug-2011 10:09:30] <mennie> nyeates: tnx

[11-Aug-2011 10:11:10] * Sam-I-Am notices things floating in his coffee

[11-Aug-2011 10:12:02] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: ...

[11-Aug-2011 10:12:13] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Clean your coffee maker and cup better LOL

[11-Aug-2011 10:18:40] <JohnnyNOC> happy bday nick!

[11-Aug-2011 10:18:51] * JohnnyNOC slaps nyeates around with a large trout

[11-Aug-2011 10:18:59] <Hackman238> LOL!

[11-Aug-2011 10:19:03] <JohnnyNOC> hahahaha

[11-Aug-2011 10:19:08] <Sam-I-Am> someone using mirc?

[11-Aug-2011 10:19:15] <JohnnyNOC> even worse

[11-Aug-2011 10:19:16] <JohnnyNOC> bitchx

[11-Aug-2011 10:19:56] <Nariuz> I do Sam-I-Am

[11-Aug-2011 10:20:08] <Nariuz> atleast on this comp

[11-Aug-2011 10:20:31] <Hackman238> jmp242: Did you have an oppertunity to pass my 802 nm laser question on to your laser guy?

[11-Aug-2011 10:20:39] <jmp242> I did

[11-Aug-2011 10:20:52] <Hackman238> jmp242: thanks! I appreciate it

[11-Aug-2011 10:20:53] <jmp242> He said he didn't know specifically, said something about a google search

[11-Aug-2011 10:21:08] <jmp242> he was going to see if he could find anything more specific and didn't get back to me

[11-Aug-2011 10:21:51] <Hackman238> jmp242: Ah darn. Yeah, having a hard time finding a pumping substrate that has a sufficient absorbsion coefficient between 800 and 804 nm

[11-Aug-2011 10:21:58] <jmp242> Nd:YAP at 803 nm, and one other

[11-Aug-2011 10:21:59] <jmp242> with an absorption spectrum of Nd:Glass, peaking at 802.

[11-Aug-2011 10:22:08] <jmp242> I think that's what he said, a paper said those two things

[11-Aug-2011 10:22:27] <Hackman238> jmp242: Nd:Glass...having checked that- I'll look in to that! Thanks!

[11-Aug-2011 10:23:07] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 are you using LDAP?

[11-Aug-2011 10:23:27] <nyeates> Hackman238: watch rackspace + openstack + zenoss integrated! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-43gnQLbX9g

[11-Aug-2011 10:23:30] <Hackman238> jmp242: Have a Nd:YAP crystal, but not having much luck at 803-804. Bumped the diode up to a higher temp to acheive the higher nm, but I can't be sure I hit the right wavelength since I ahve no spectrometer

[11-Aug-2011 10:23:43] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yep

[11-Aug-2011 10:24:18] <nyeates> JohnnyNOC: thanks for the bday wishes!! mmmm trout

[11-Aug-2011 10:24:24] <Hackman238> nyeates: Very very cool!

[11-Aug-2011 10:25:04] <nyeates> wow mIRC is old school

[11-Aug-2011 10:25:12] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 ah thought i had a question about how to confirm my ldap plugins were installed but i think i'm good

[11-Aug-2011 10:25:16] <Hackman238> jmp242: Spectrometer expensive and I'm poor :/

[11-Aug-2011 10:25:25] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: alrighty

[11-Aug-2011 10:25:29] <jmp242> can you do something PC based?

[11-Aug-2011 10:25:43] <jmp242> there was one think that was 1Kish

[11-Aug-2011 10:26:28] <Hackman238> jmp242: I couldnt find anything that could safely handle the powerlevels I'm dealing with

[11-Aug-2011 10:27:27] <nyeates> hackman238: are you trying to make a cyclops laser-beam eye-glasses again? :-p

[11-Aug-2011 10:27:56] <Sam-I-Am> do not stare into laser with remaining eye?

[11-Aug-2011 10:28:02] <Hackman238> jmp242: I'd have to deculminate the beam to not destroy the sensors I thinnk

[11-Aug-2011 10:28:16] <Hackman238> nyeates: Very high power cutting laser.

[11-Aug-2011 10:28:57] <Hackman238> nyeates: I have 6 x 5 diode 98 Watt 802 nm pump diodes, total power just short of 600 Watts.

[11-Aug-2011 10:29:20] <Hackman238> nyeates: Using a rebuilt Vapo-Chill and huge radiators to cool it

[11-Aug-2011 10:30:37] <Hackman238> jmp242: Going to look in to a spectrometer and how to use it in high power applications- you're right, I'll need one eventually.

[11-Aug-2011 10:32:54] <jmp242> yea, we have spectrometers that range from 1K PC based ones and 100K stand alones

[11-Aug-2011 10:33:42] <Hackman238> jmp242: Have a model or brand on the cheaper PC based ones?

[11-Aug-2011 10:33:51] <jmp242> I'd have to go look

[11-Aug-2011 10:34:02] <jmp242> in a meeting right now lol

[11-Aug-2011 10:34:21] <Hackman238> jmp242: Alrighty, no sweat. I appreciate all the help and info.

[11-Aug-2011 10:57:52] <jmp242> Hackman238: sorry, I'm coming down with something - it wasn't a spectrometer I was thinking of, it's an Ossicilliscope - you can tell I don't work with these lol

[11-Aug-2011 11:00:17] <Hackman238> jmp242: Oh gotcha

[11-Aug-2011 11:00:27] <Hackman238> jmp242: Its ok, thanks for checking.

[11-Aug-2011 11:04:22] <jmp242> Yea, The problem is that our real laser guy left, and the guy who took over is still learning I think

[11-Aug-2011 11:04:43] <jmp242> Plus it's not necessarily the focus of the current major research effort here of the ERL

[11-Aug-2011 11:04:45] <Hackman238> jmp242: thats too bad. Find a better job?

[11-Aug-2011 11:04:52] <Hackman238> jmp242: Yep

[11-Aug-2011 11:04:56] <jmp242> IDK, I didn't really know him that well

[11-Aug-2011 11:05:21] <jmp242> we have like 120 people here, and when they spend most of their time being russian and locked in a laser lab with keypad entry

[11-Aug-2011 11:05:21] <Hackman238> jmp242: Oh gotcha

[11-Aug-2011 11:05:22] <jmp242> lol

[11-Aug-2011 11:05:40] <Hackman238> jmp242: LOL!

[11-Aug-2011 11:06:04] <jmp242> and we're spread out around 8 buildings, trailers, annexes and warehouses

[11-Aug-2011 11:06:18] <jmp242> we don't necessarily run into everyone

[11-Aug-2011 11:06:42] <jmp242> we actually use a pickup truck or van to get around to do IT

[11-Aug-2011 11:06:48] <Hackman238> jmp242: Nice!

[11-Aug-2011 11:07:30] <jmp242> yup

[11-Aug-2011 11:10:12] <nyeates> Ive been to cornel jmp, big campus, very pretty

[11-Aug-2011 11:10:45] <Hackman238> I applied to Cornell and RPI, but I couldnt validate the costs in my mind.

[11-Aug-2011 11:12:32] <jmp242> Mmm, well if I was willing to put up with the crap of the educational part at cornell

[11-Aug-2011 11:12:36] <jmp242> it would be free

[11-Aug-2011 11:13:15] <Hackman238> jmp242: put up with the crap?

[11-Aug-2011 11:13:16] <jmp242> but my Sister did it, and it just was stupid difficult - i.e. not hard academic stuff (though that was the case), but hard for no reason administrative stuff

[11-Aug-2011 11:13:33] <Hackman238> jmp242: Oh red tape...I hate red tape

[11-Aug-2011 11:13:43] <jmp242> Or in classes stuff that was nintendo hard style

[11-Aug-2011 11:13:52] <jmp242> i.e., read 500 pages of this book tonight

[11-Aug-2011 11:14:10] <Hackman238> jmp242: Yikes.

[11-Aug-2011 11:14:15] <jmp242> now, how are you going to get any long term learning out of that/

[11-Aug-2011 11:14:16] <jmp242> ?

[11-Aug-2011 11:14:42] <Hackman238> jmp242: Thats not learning- thats what I do when I'm trying to reverse engineer Zenoss!

[11-Aug-2011 11:14:48] <jmp242> lol

[11-Aug-2011 11:14:51] <Hackman238>

[11-Aug-2011 11:15:12] <jmp242> it's not that I can't handle rigorious academic stuff. It's that I hate busywork non-learning plus red tape

[11-Aug-2011 11:15:38] <Hackman238> jmp242: Agreed- that sort of stuff is not helpful or worth my time.

[11-Aug-2011 11:15:52] <jmp242> I.e., memorization in modern classes - yes, you need to know you can do X, but if you can google it or look it up in 2 minutes in a reference book

[11-Aug-2011 11:15:57] <jmp242> then that's what people actually do at work

[11-Aug-2011 11:16:30] <jmp242> And cornell sadly the closest thing to something I'm interested in is a MBA

[11-Aug-2011 11:16:52] <jmp242> which ... I'm supposed to work up to doing, but it's to make everyone else happy, so my motivation isn't great

[11-Aug-2011 11:17:04] <Hackman238> jmp242: I never agreed with memorization of complex formulas...we have tables for that sort of stuff. I save save the room for concept logic

[11-Aug-2011 11:17:41] <Hackman238> *I say save

[11-Aug-2011 11:18:58] <jmp242> of course, Johnson seems to only do a full time MBA so grrr

[11-Aug-2011 11:19:33] <jmp242> but Comp Sci was never really anything I was interested in... all in all just figuring out what would be do-able is a PITA

[11-Aug-2011 11:21:12] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 do you know how i can use the ZMI to see how it's configured?

[11-Aug-2011 11:22:31] <JohnnyNOC> hrm i guess i see it

[11-Aug-2011 11:24:18] <Hackman238> jmp242: Yeah I'm a physics guy myself. Computer tech jsut pays the bills

[11-Aug-2011 11:24:32] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: The ldap?

[11-Aug-2011 11:25:02] <JohnnyNOC> yea, it looked different on the first configuration screen but i think i got it

[11-Aug-2011 11:25:06] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: f=ma ftw

[11-Aug-2011 11:25:10] <JohnnyNOC> tryign to mimic our existing ldap setup in zenoss on the 3.1 install

[11-Aug-2011 11:25:18] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am:

[11-Aug-2011 11:25:25] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Ah gotcha

[11-Aug-2011 11:25:36] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Allt he ldap stuff at the ZMI should be the same

[11-Aug-2011 11:36:25] <JohnnyNOC> looks like it works

[11-Aug-2011 11:38:37] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Very cool

[11-Aug-2011 11:50:22] <JohnnyNOC> hmm

[11-Aug-2011 11:50:24] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238

[11-Aug-2011 11:50:41] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yep?

[11-Aug-2011 11:50:48] <JohnnyNOC> when i set this up i inadvertently asked zenoss to map groups to ad groups but went back and changed it..  i see a lot of bs groups when i'm looking at the users

[11-Aug-2011 11:51:01] <JohnnyNOC> i've removed them, but now they're still there except i can't check the box next to them

[11-Aug-2011 11:51:06] <JohnnyNOC> any idea what i need to do so they're gone for good?

[11-Aug-2011 11:51:07] <JohnnyNOC> :/

[11-Aug-2011 11:51:20] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Honestly not sure

[11-Aug-2011 11:51:29] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: You may need to zopectl restart

[11-Aug-2011 11:51:51] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I'd have to see it to fix that sort of problem

[11-Aug-2011 11:52:27] <JohnnyNOC> click advanced->users (in 3x)

[11-Aug-2011 11:52:32] <JohnnyNOC> and i hav ea whole bunch of bs groups in that list

[11-Aug-2011 11:52:33] <JohnnyNOC>

[11-Aug-2011 11:52:37] <JohnnyNOC> just..  imagine that.

[11-Aug-2011 11:52:37] <JohnnyNOC> hehehe

[11-Aug-2011 11:53:05] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: You might need to set mapping back up then remove the groups from the advanced->user screen first, then disable mapping

[11-Aug-2011 11:53:19] <JohnnyNOC> gotcha

[11-Aug-2011 11:53:30] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Not 100% sure on that- I'd back up your Data.fs

[11-Aug-2011 11:54:23] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*

[11-Aug-2011 11:54:57] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: If you run out of room for backing up Data.fs, delete Data.fs.old and also do a Zeopack

[11-Aug-2011 11:55:04] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: It'll free up a ton of space

[11-Aug-2011 11:55:23] <JohnnyNOC> this is a brand new install so i don't think that's an issue yet

[11-Aug-2011 11:55:33] <JohnnyNOC> but i appreciate the advice

[11-Aug-2011 11:56:13] <Hackman238> NP

[11-Aug-2011 11:58:40] <Simon4> okay, brain hurting

[11-Aug-2011 11:58:46] <Simon4> [root@labhost ~]# snmpwalk -v2c -cpublic srx1400 1.3.6.1.4.1.2636.3.39.1.12.1.1.1.4

[11-Aug-2011 11:58:47] <Simon4> SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.2636.3.39.1.12.1.1.1.4.1 = Gauge32: 0

[11-Aug-2011 11:59:01] <Simon4> yet

[11-Aug-2011 11:59:02] <Simon4> 2011-08-11 16:58:06,511 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error reading value for "CPU" on srx1400 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.2636.3.39.1.12.1.1.1.4 is bad)

[11-Aug-2011 11:59:12] <Simon4> yet zenperfsnmp is collecting all interface stats from device "srx1400" just fine

[11-Aug-2011 11:59:34] <Simon4> anyone have any ideas? this should just work :/ even "test on device" when making the template works

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[11-Aug-2011 12:00:22] <Simon4> I tried a .0 for fun, can try a .1

[11-Aug-2011 12:00:48] <Hackman238> Simon4: If so, does the .1 fix the broken OID? does it break other instances using this same datasource?

[11-Aug-2011 12:01:15] <Simon4> am restarting zenperfsnmp between edits too just to be sure the config is being refreshed (this is an install with exactly one device )

[11-Aug-2011 12:01:38] * Simon4 waits for the cycle - 1 min cycle time so not too bad

[11-Aug-2011 12:02:04] <Hackman238> Simon4: Alrighty. You can also run with a fresh config fetch for one device on screen by zenperfsnmp run now -v10 -d {your device}

[11-Aug-2011 12:02:27] <Simon4> Hackman238: yeah I know, but I've found that unreliable in the past so stopped using it

[11-Aug-2011 12:02:35] <Simon4> right, .1 seems to make it better

[11-Aug-2011 12:02:41] <Hackman238> Simon4: Nice

[11-Aug-2011 12:02:43] <Simon4> fruity, back in 2.5.2 .0 made things magically better

[11-Aug-2011 12:02:47] <Simon4> thanks dude

[11-Aug-2011 12:02:53] <Hackman238> Simon4: NP

[11-Aug-2011 12:03:33] * Simon4 goes back to thrashing the poor SRX with too much traffic

[11-Aug-2011 12:04:30] <human> hi there

[11-Aug-2011 12:04:37] human is now known as uniplexed

[11-Aug-2011 12:04:42] <uniplexed> hi there

[11-Aug-2011 12:04:52] uniplexed is now known as iruga

[11-Aug-2011 12:04:59] iruga is now known as humanix

[11-Aug-2011 12:05:08] <humanix> sorry, all nicks are registered lol

[11-Aug-2011 12:05:25] <humanix> i got a doubt about the monitorying cicles in zenoss

[11-Aug-2011 12:05:44] <humanix> can they be setted up independently by device or globally only?

[11-Aug-2011 12:08:39] <Sam-I-Am> per collector

[11-Aug-2011 12:08:48] <humanix> ok

[11-Aug-2011 12:10:31] <humanix> thanks

[11-Aug-2011 12:10:55] <nyeates> Finally takin care of business on the spam front....you all seen much more spam in forums?

[11-Aug-2011 12:10:58] <nyeates> bannin' mama jammas left and right up

[11-Aug-2011 12:19:17] <JohnnyNOC> man

[11-Aug-2011 12:19:22] <JohnnyNOC> i cannot get these groups to go away

[11-Aug-2011 12:19:23] <JohnnyNOC> :[

[11-Aug-2011 12:31:46] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hum. Have you tried to delete them in the ZMI?

[11-Aug-2011 12:38:43] <JohnnyNOC> yes

[11-Aug-2011 12:38:47] <dpetzel> nyeates: Spam levels seem low for a couple days IMO

[11-Aug-2011 12:42:40] <davetoo> Man that stuff is annoying.  I'm wondering if it's being done via Mechanical Turk. Or if there's an underground Mechanical Spammer version.

[11-Aug-2011 12:59:59] <nyeates> davetoo: naw. I think it was something like this app: http://ubotstudio.com/

[11-Aug-2011 13:00:29] <nyeates> Its a registration and site automator for marketers, spammers, etc....i cant believe its a product that sells and has a forum and community, etc

[11-Aug-2011 13:01:07] <nyeates> Most of the spam registrants fell under a pattern.

[11-Aug-2011 13:02:16] <nyeates> There are however, the beginings of some nasty looking products that will use mechanical turk or where you can buy 1000 verified captchas for $1 or trade catchas

[11-Aug-2011 13:02:42] <nyeates> Pray they dont lurk on us

[11-Aug-2011 13:02:58] <JohnnyNOC> hey nyeates question

[11-Aug-2011 13:03:07] <JohnnyNOC> i just setup ldap authentication on a new 3.1 install

[11-Aug-2011 13:03:30] <JohnnyNOC> and there are all thse very oddly named groups under advanced->users

[11-Aug-2011 13:03:37] <JohnnyNOC> when i delete them from zope, they just come back

[11-Aug-2011 13:04:13] <nyeates> groups being imported from ldap groups it sounds like

[11-Aug-2011 13:04:15] <JohnnyNOC> any idea how/why or what i need to do to stop them?

[11-Aug-2011 13:04:19] <JohnnyNOC> yes but it's configured to do so

[11-Aug-2011 13:04:27] <JohnnyNOC> Groups not stored on LDAP server

[11-Aug-2011 13:04:32] <JohnnyNOC> Manually map LDAP groups to Zope roles

[11-Aug-2011 13:05:03] <nyeates> hmmmm

[11-Aug-2011 13:05:08] <JohnnyNOC> er

[11-Aug-2011 13:05:10] <JohnnyNOC> NOT configured to do that

[11-Aug-2011 13:05:25] <nyeates> wait it is creating USERS on zenoss, for GROUPS from ldap?

[11-Aug-2011 13:05:54] <JohnnyNOC> no

[11-Aug-2011 13:06:01] <JohnnyNOC> it's creating users in zenoss based on ActiveDirectory

[11-Aug-2011 13:06:11] <JohnnyNOC> and apparently it's creating all these crazy named groups also

[11-Aug-2011 13:06:22] <JohnnyNOC> K_____N_W__mB

[11-Aug-2011 13:06:24] <JohnnyNOC> for example

[11-Aug-2011 13:06:25] <nyeates> can i get access to the box?

[11-Aug-2011 13:06:30] <JohnnyNOC> K_____N_W__mB

[11-Aug-2011 13:06:30] <JohnnyNOC> er

[11-Aug-2011 13:06:34] <JohnnyNOC> unfortunately no

[11-Aug-2011 13:06:34] <nyeates> yeah ive seen that before

[11-Aug-2011 13:06:56] <JohnnyNOC> how do i make them go away permanently?  I can delete from zope->zenusers but they come back

[11-Aug-2011 13:07:08] <nyeates> i used to be the support teams LDAP/AD expert....and when we had these, i kinda had to hack through them to verify every single little setting

[11-Aug-2011 13:07:19] <dpetzel> JohnnyNOC: FWIW we have the same situation. It's never bother me enough to try and clean them up, so I just lived with them, but I confirmed what your seeing when i tried to delete one, it didnt go away

[11-Aug-2011 13:07:23] <nyeates> and then when i hit a brick wall, i started tweaking some until it worked heh

[11-Aug-2011 13:08:16] <JohnnyNOC> ok, thanks for the info dpetzel

[11-Aug-2011 13:08:51] <JohnnyNOC> dpetzel did you post to the forums about this?

[11-Aug-2011 13:09:04] <nyeates> like u can turn off/on particular adPlugins

[11-Aug-2011 13:09:06] <nyeates> that sometimes helps

[11-Aug-2011 13:09:21] <dpetzel> JohnnyNOC: nah, I never cared enough to debug it, just after seeing your post figured I would try the group delete to see if mine performed the same

[11-Aug-2011 13:09:25] <JohnnyNOC> i think i only enabled the AD one

[11-Aug-2011 13:09:37] <nyeates> User_Enumeration and Group_Enumeration are off on my test box

[11-Aug-2011 13:09:49] <nyeates> im not sure if the community method is the same tho

[11-Aug-2011 13:10:02] <JohnnyNOC> hrm

[11-Aug-2011 13:10:15] <JohnnyNOC> i have mine enabled, but that was because they were enabled on our 2.5.2 box

[11-Aug-2011 13:10:24] <JohnnyNOC> guess i could try and disable them

[11-Aug-2011 13:11:10] <nyeates> i have Roles on and Role_enumeration on

[11-Aug-2011 13:12:07] <nyeates> tho it does seem like others of these *should* be on....im not so sure

[11-Aug-2011 13:12:29] <JohnnyNOC> not a huge deal

[11-Aug-2011 13:12:38] <JohnnyNOC> i'll post to the forums at some point and see if anyone has anything to say, otherwise i'll just ignore it

[11-Aug-2011 13:13:31] <nyeates> hey, take a look here to compare settings: docs/DOC-9670

[11-Aug-2011 13:14:34] <nyeates> gotta flip through the pages, but there is a lot of info

[11-Aug-2011 13:15:26] <nyeates> JohnnyNOC: mind emailing that thread to me when you get it? nyeates @ zenoss dot com

[11-Aug-2011 13:26:51] <Hackman238> nyeates: LOL This video pretty funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IupmBK8K3l4&NR=1

[11-Aug-2011 13:33:57] <dpetzel> I love the easy button implication

[11-Aug-2011 13:34:46] <Hackman238> dpetzel: LOL yep

[11-Aug-2011 13:35:14] <Hackman238> dpetzel: I think that button really just emails 10,000 alerts to all the support staff

[11-Aug-2011 13:35:21] <Hackman238>

[11-Aug-2011 13:35:29] <dpetzel> as long as one of them isnt me thats cool

[11-Aug-2011 13:41:37] <nyeates> heh i had not seen that vid thx

[11-Aug-2011 13:42:17] <Hackman238> nyeates: LOL tell the marketing team it needs work

[11-Aug-2011 13:42:39] <nyeates> i liked the traffic and building anology.... and then the cars started driving through virtual buildings....haha, yeah about accurate

[11-Aug-2011 13:44:03] <nyeates> depends who the audience is.... i had a whole conversation on this with marketing and soome pre-sales guys... they attest that broad overview stuff like this is what CxOs and high ups want to see

[11-Aug-2011 13:45:04] <nyeates> i agree....that video, to me, to other admins and tech savvy people... looks like its angled toward toddlers

[11-Aug-2011 13:45:13] <Hackman238> nyeates: Its just a rectal smoke video

[11-Aug-2011 13:45:25] <Hackman238> nyeates: Exactly

[11-Aug-2011 13:45:29] <nyeates> but for someone who has never ever heard of us before, maybe it gives them an idea

[11-Aug-2011 13:45:42] <Hackman238> nyeates: Cant disagree with that

[11-Aug-2011 13:45:44] <nyeates> yer right tho, its lacking on details

[11-Aug-2011 13:59:25] <rmatte> I'm at the point where every time I hear the word "cloud" I'm about ready to snap

[11-Aug-2011 13:59:36] <rmatte> seems like everyone and their dog is using that as a catch word these days

[11-Aug-2011 13:59:50] <Hackman238> rmatte: Hows it going?

[11-Aug-2011 13:59:57] <Hackman238> rmatte: Back from cloud traning?

[11-Aug-2011 13:59:57] <rmatte> not too bad

[11-Aug-2011 14:00:01] <Hackman238>

[11-Aug-2011 14:00:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: Glad to hear

[11-Aug-2011 14:00:28] <rmatte> nope, no cloud training lol

[11-Aug-2011 14:00:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: Quick question for you- what did you have to tweak in the sla datasources to enable aliases?

[11-Aug-2011 14:00:32] <rmatte> just getting sick of hearing it so much

[11-Aug-2011 14:00:49] <Hackman238> rmatte: Did you see the hilarious video above?

[11-Aug-2011 14:00:56] <rmatte> Hackman238: oh, there was just a menu missing from the skins file

[11-Aug-2011 14:01:01] <rmatte> the dropdown menu

[11-Aug-2011 14:01:10] <rmatte> and it was only a problem in 2.5

[11-Aug-2011 14:01:14] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah got it

[11-Aug-2011 14:01:23] <rmatte> 3.x inherently supports aliases for all datapoint types

[11-Aug-2011 14:01:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep, works there already

[11-Aug-2011 14:01:38] <rmatte> yup

[11-Aug-2011 14:01:41] <Hackman238> rmatte: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IupmBK8K3l4&NR=1

[11-Aug-2011 14:01:53] <rmatte> just watched it lol, entertaining

[11-Aug-2011 14:02:04] <rmatte> but just more cloud cloud cloud propaganda

[11-Aug-2011 14:02:05] <rmatte> lol

[11-Aug-2011 14:03:03] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep.

[11-Aug-2011 14:04:17] <rmatte> not sure exactly how the cars made it through the buildings

[11-Aug-2011 14:05:01] <rmatte> must have been driven by stunt drivers: "Hold on to yer hats bastiches!"

[11-Aug-2011 14:05:01] <Simon4> rmatte: clouddrive

[11-Aug-2011 14:05:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: Suicidal bits

[11-Aug-2011 14:05:37] <rmatte> Simon4: lol

[11-Aug-2011 14:05:44] <Simon4> planes can fly through clouds, so put a cloud in your building and things can fly through it.. seemples!

[11-Aug-2011 14:05:57] * Simon4 should work for marketing

[11-Aug-2011 14:06:15] <rmatte> clouddrive is the dumbest service, wow, a whole 5GB of storage... or you could just purchase a 8GB USB key for $20

[11-Aug-2011 14:06:24] <Simon4> oh crap

[11-Aug-2011 14:06:28] <Simon4> cloud drive is a "thing"?

[11-Aug-2011 14:06:29] <Simon4> oops

[11-Aug-2011 14:06:31] <rmatte> yeh it is

[11-Aug-2011 14:06:34] <rmatte> amazon

[11-Aug-2011 14:06:47] <rmatte> https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/learnmore

[11-Aug-2011 14:07:47] <rmatte> similar to ubuntu one

[11-Aug-2011 14:08:03] <Simon4> ah yup

[11-Aug-2011 14:08:12] <rmatte> though ubuntu one makes more sense since it actually syncs certain settings like bookmarks between desktops too

[11-Aug-2011 14:08:12] * Simon4 has his wife backing up to mozy's free 2GB offering

[11-Aug-2011 14:08:15] <rmatte> which is cool

[11-Aug-2011 14:08:27] <Simon4> it totally beats a USB key, since it's automatic

[11-Aug-2011 14:08:32] <Simon4> sorry, wife's mac, not my wife

[11-Aug-2011 14:08:36] <rmatte> lol

[11-Aug-2011 14:09:01] <rmatte> well, amazon and ubuntu one do 5GB for free

[11-Aug-2011 14:09:05] <Simon4> nice

[11-Aug-2011 14:09:23] <Simon4> getting significant others to do backups is impossible if it involves plugging things in

[11-Aug-2011 14:09:31] <Simon4> so anything like that where it's a background thing is awesome

[11-Aug-2011 14:09:49] <rmatte> well, you can always plug the thing in to the back and have them never touch it again

[11-Aug-2011 14:10:06] <Simon4> doesn't work for a laptop

[11-Aug-2011 14:10:11] <rmatte> true

[11-Aug-2011 14:10:25] <Simon4> and with the online version, if she loses laptop overseas or whatnot she's still covered

[11-Aug-2011 14:12:04] <rmatte> yup

[11-Aug-2011 14:12:08] <nyeates> backblaze.com is pretty nice....unlimited online backup, $5  a month

[11-Aug-2011 14:12:24] <nyeates> so if u got a 2TB drive with movies and pics and music...$5 a month

[11-Aug-2011 14:12:49] <rmatte> that is a nice deal

[11-Aug-2011 14:13:00] <Simon4> yeah, I use mozy for $5/month which is 60GB or something

[11-Aug-2011 14:13:05] <rmatte> would blow pulling the data all back down again though

[11-Aug-2011 14:13:12] <Simon4> which I use nowhere near that much, but it's my backup of last resort

[11-Aug-2011 14:13:30] <Simon4> I have time machine to a NAS at home, then that in case everything goes really bad

[11-Aug-2011 14:13:41] <rmatte> yeh, NAS is the way to go

[11-Aug-2011 14:14:10] <Simon4> rmatte: when we had the riots on Mon night I had pulled a disk from the NAS and had it in my backpack in case we had to evac here

[11-Aug-2011 14:14:21] <Simon4> was crazy

[11-Aug-2011 14:14:25] <nyeates> they also had a bad ass breakdown of how to make their 67 TB backblaze storage pod: http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/

[11-Aug-2011 14:14:47] <Simon4> nyeates: I think we have a project here that has built some of them

[11-Aug-2011 14:14:55] * Simon4 needs to go check it out sometime

[11-Aug-2011 14:15:39] <nyeates> I read it all...its amazing what this engineer created with spare parts and one customized case (they engineered the case in CAD, and had a specialty metal shop work it up for them and anyone else who wants one)

[11-Aug-2011 14:15:45] <Simon4> yeah, really cool

[11-Aug-2011 14:17:21] <nyeates> for a while, i had a 3TB ubuntu machine in basement that announced its drive mounts over avahi and mounted to mac as mac space and could use that as time machine backups

[11-Aug-2011 14:17:34] <nyeates> hen my mobo died on the ubunut box:-(

[11-Aug-2011 14:18:03] <Simon4> doh

[11-Aug-2011 14:18:14] <Simon4> I have a micro proliant here with 4x2TB drives

[11-Aug-2011 14:18:25] <Simon4> I need to set up shares sometime

[11-Aug-2011 14:18:40] <Simon4> it's currently running a bunch of juniper "olive" vm's for lab work

[11-Aug-2011 14:19:03] <Simon4> is nuts though, you buy it for £199 and get £99 back, so it's stupid cheap as a base unit

[11-Aug-2011 14:19:09] <Simon4> then fill it with ram and disk

[11-Aug-2011 14:20:16] <rmatte> cool

[11-Aug-2011 14:20:45] <nyeates> Simon4: here is my log when i did it http://nickyeates.com/technology/unix/lms/linux_log#afp_and_avahi_for_apple_filesharing

[11-Aug-2011 14:20:57] <nyeates> heh, wont help u much tho maybe....i had a link on the details

[11-Aug-2011 14:21:22] <Simon4> thanks - is good for the workflow at least

[11-Aug-2011 14:23:09] <JohnnyNOC> is there a setting somewhere that says when i add a new device - model it?

[11-Aug-2011 14:24:40] <JohnnyNOC> guess i was just being impatient

[11-Aug-2011 14:24:50] <JohnnyNOC> sometimes i wish zenoss would let me know it was doing some things behind the scenes

[11-Aug-2011 14:25:53] <Simon4> v3 sucks for that

[11-Aug-2011 14:33:10] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC:  I think when you add a device it says at the top something about a job being scheduled and to click a link to see status

[11-Aug-2011 14:34:31] <JohnnyNOC> dhopp that's true when you do it via the GUI

[11-Aug-2011 14:34:45] <JohnnyNOC> i was trying to get them added programmatically

[11-Aug-2011 14:37:21] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: ah ok

[11-Aug-2011 14:43:08] <rmatte> I'd prefer if v3 would just show the modelling happing in an ajax popup personally

[11-Aug-2011 14:43:14] <rmatte> rather than being tossed in to the background

[11-Aug-2011 14:59:35] <dhopp> rmatte:  I didn't say it was good, just that is what happens :-)

[11-Aug-2011 15:00:05] <rmatte> hehe

[11-Aug-2011 15:00:29] <kickehy> Is there any way to tell zenoss to ignore certain windows event log errors?

[11-Aug-2011 15:00:44] <rmatte> kickehy: yes, you need to create event mappings for them

[11-Aug-2011 15:01:18] <rmatte> Zenoss has a powerful event management system, you just need to learn how to use it

[11-Aug-2011 15:01:19] <kickehy> rmatte: i assume that's in the admin guide?

[11-Aug-2011 15:01:25] <rmatte> yeh, it is

[11-Aug-2011 15:01:40] <kickehy> k, i'll check that out before bugging you guys then

[11-Aug-2011 15:01:44] <rmatte> lol

[11-Aug-2011 15:01:47] <rmatte> appreciated

[11-Aug-2011 15:02:15] <kickehy> maybe, i'll actually just read the whole thing

[11-Aug-2011 15:02:29] <rmatte> that's what I always recommend

[11-Aug-2011 15:02:37] <rmatte> since that's what I did myself when I first started using it

[11-Aug-2011 15:02:39] <kickehy>

[11-Aug-2011 15:02:40] <rmatte> and it was a big help

[11-Aug-2011 15:03:04] <rmatte> 90% of the questions that you're likely to ask are answered in it

[11-Aug-2011 16:13:33] <rmatte> hmmm, I just filled out a survey form, now they are asking for gender but they have it as an input field instead of a dropdown

[11-Aug-2011 16:13:40] <rmatte> tempted to write something like "Giraffe" in it

[11-Aug-2011 16:14:49] <Sam-I-Am> hermaphrodite

[11-Aug-2011 16:14:53] <rmatte> lol, I was thinking of that

[11-Aug-2011 16:15:05] <rmatte> "Unicorn"

[11-Aug-2011 16:16:20] <rmatte> 8. Do you have any final comments, thoughts, or ideas that you would like to share with us?

[11-Aug-2011 16:16:21] <rmatte> Make the Gender field in the survey a dropdown instead of a general text field.  I was half tempted to enter "Unicorn", "Giraffe" or even "Hermaphrodite" in there.

[11-Aug-2011 16:16:32] <rmatte> lol

[11-Aug-2011 16:22:19] <rmatte> I want a Zenoss T-Shirt that says "Will code for Zennys" on it

[11-Aug-2011 16:22:19] <rmatte> lol

[11-Aug-2011 16:26:17] <Sam-I-Am> hermaphrodite is at least a valid answer

[11-Aug-2011 16:26:25] <rmatte> yeh it is, if I were one

[11-Aug-2011 16:26:26] <rmatte> lol

[11-Aug-2011 16:31:50] <nyeates> haha will code for zennys

[11-Aug-2011 16:32:23] <nyeates> i should make that one up....and post all 4 of the candidates we had for t-shirts and offer them for order on the website i made them on

[11-Aug-2011 16:32:38] <nyeates> Ryan, we will be soon getting the t-shirt that won and sending those out

[11-Aug-2011 16:32:52] <rmatte> nice

[11-Aug-2011 16:33:31] <rmatte> are you talking about the "My zenpack is 3.x compatible" t-shirts?

[11-Aug-2011 16:33:32] <rmatte> or what?

[11-Aug-2011 16:35:11] <Sam-I-Am> i remember that

[11-Aug-2011 16:39:11] <nyeates> Yes yes

[11-Aug-2011 16:39:24] <nyeates> We will send these out in mass

[11-Aug-2011 16:39:33] <nyeates> along with zennys is my hope

[11-Aug-2011 16:39:35] * Sam-I-Am didnt convert any zenpacks to 3

[11-Aug-2011 16:39:39] <nyeates> and baseball caps

[11-Aug-2011 16:39:58] <nyeates> if we have extras, ill send out a note to see who wants em

[11-Aug-2011 16:44:14] <rmatte> nice

[11-Aug-2011 16:44:23] <rmatte> I definitely need more Zennys

[11-Aug-2011 16:44:36] <rmatte> I have my original one, but I've given the rest that I got away

[11-Aug-2011 16:44:48] <rmatte> wouldn't mind having a small army of them on my desk lol

[11-Aug-2011 16:47:49] * Sam-I-Am has 0

[11-Aug-2011 16:47:52] <Sam-I-Am> *sniff*

[11-Aug-2011 16:50:50] <rmatte>

[11-Aug-2011 16:51:05] <rmatte> I think there are like 8 of them around here

[11-Aug-2011 16:54:13] <rmatte> well, I'm suddenly up to 17 Zenoss servers

[11-Aug-2011 16:54:31] <rmatte> soon to be 18 as I understand it

[11-Aug-2011 16:54:49] <Sam-I-Am> wow

[11-Aug-2011 16:55:01] * Sam-I-Am is still trying to find a way to deploy z at is new gig

[11-Aug-2011 16:55:03] <Sam-I-Am> his

[11-Aug-2011 16:55:40] <rmatte> the way I'd do it without VMs is to get it setup the way you like, then tar up the Zenoss directory

[11-Aug-2011 16:55:51] <rmatte> then just do a fresh install and copy the Zenoss directory in to it

[11-Aug-2011 16:55:53] <rmatte> and voila

[11-Aug-2011 16:56:19] <rmatte> though Matt Ray was working on a way to do it with chef

[11-Aug-2011 16:56:25] <rmatte> which was looking pretty slick

[11-Aug-2011 16:57:04] <rmatte> I like the way we do it here, ESX environment, and I maintain a template image that I just clone when I need a new VM

[11-Aug-2011 16:57:05] <mattray> what's that?

[11-Aug-2011 16:57:17] <rmatte> the Zenoss stuff you were coding for chef

[11-Aug-2011 16:57:28] <rmatte> for deploying Zenoss

[11-Aug-2011 16:58:51] <mattray> works like a champ

[11-Aug-2011 16:59:30] <mattray> no discovery, you know in advance what your devices are and you can ensure everything gets setup right

[11-Aug-2011 17:00:18] <rmatte> nice

[11-Aug-2011 17:00:59] <rmatte> how's OpsCode treating you lately?

[11-Aug-2011 17:01:03] <rmatte> still enjoying it?

[11-Aug-2011 17:10:40] <mattray> love it

[11-Aug-2011 17:11:36] <rmatte> awesome

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[11-Aug-2011 19:25:47] <c00p> Sam-I-Am: "Link to http://pypi.python.org/simple/ZenPacks.kanren.JuniperTemplates/ ***BLOCKED*** by --allow-hosts"

[11-Aug-2011 19:26:40] <c00p> I can't get any zenpacks to install

[11-Aug-2011 19:27:57] <c00p> "Couldn't find index page for 'ZenPacks.TijmenvandenBrink.JuniperIVE' (maybe misspelled?)" What am I doing wrong?

[11-Aug-2011 19:28:14] <c00p> all I am running is: [zenoss@zenoss ~]$ zenpack --install ZenPacks.TijmenvandenBrink.JuniperIVE-1.0-py2.4.egg

[11-Aug-2011 19:29:27] <Sam-I-Am> did you unpack the egg?

[11-Aug-2011 19:29:44] <c00p> shouldn't it do it itself ?

[11-Aug-2011 19:29:57] <c00p> doco says should be able to install directly from the egg

[11-Aug-2011 19:30:31] <Sam-I-Am> might need to either remove the -py2.4 or change it to -py2.6 for 3.x

[11-Aug-2011 19:30:55] <c00p> 'If you have the source code for the ZenPack you can install directly from that rather than from an .egg file'

[11-Aug-2011 19:31:08] <c00p> I don't understand what they mean by source code

[11-Aug-2011 19:31:30] <c00p> yeah I did notice that from the stack traces I get it does use 2.6 python

[11-Aug-2011 19:32:17] <Sam-I-Am> i havent fought with that much since i didnt run 3.x

[11-Aug-2011 19:54:25] <c00p> hmm ... devo'd

[11-Aug-2011 20:10:48] <c00p> 'zenpack --help' even generates an exeption with optparse ... fail

[11-Aug-2011 20:11:30] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[11-Aug-2011 20:13:49] <c00p> even zenpacks that 'work' with 3.0 are failing on my install.

[11-Aug-2011 20:20:03] <dpetzel_web> Do you have all the required zenpacks installed?

[11-Aug-2011 20:20:50] <dpetzel_web> From the error above, I'm reading that in order for you to install ZenPacks.TijmenvandenBrink.JuniperIVE, you need to first have ZenPacks.kanren.JuniperTemplates

[11-Aug-2011 21:13:53] <trmpet1> Hey everyone! I like zenoss and want to get a feel for what I need to do to monitor about 200 windows hosts (of varying flavor - with wmi) and ~100 snmp linux hosts. Can you guys/gals provide some insight on how many hosts/what configuration I might want to get going with? I'm currently using the stock vm to run some POC type tests and mgmt seems to really like it (like there was ever any doubt). Virtual hosts are

[11-Aug-2011 21:13:53] <trmpet1> an option as are physical if I need to be running this on metal.

[11-Aug-2011 21:23:39] <qkit> morning everyone

[11-Aug-2011 21:24:05] <qkit> guys i having this error in zenoss 3 "Skipping Memory Buffers (other) as it matches zFileSystemMapIgnoreTypes." was it because i have a miss match mib between zenoss and my client?

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[12-Aug-2011 06:45:20] <froztbyte> using the console, how do I properly restart just a single daemon instead of the whole stack?

[12-Aug-2011 06:47:09] <Simon4> as the zenoss user

[12-Aug-2011 06:47:19] <Simon4> zenoss status to get a list of the daemons

[12-Aug-2011 06:47:29] <Simon4> then $daemonname stop|start|restart

[12-Aug-2011 06:47:33] <Simon4> so for example zenperfsnmp stop

[12-Aug-2011 07:56:03] <locohost_> ERROR:zen.Relations:remote relation /zport/dmd/ZenUsers/admin/messages/msg/messageQueue doesn't point back to /zport/dmd/ZenUsers/admin/messages/msg/messageQueue

[12-Aug-2011 07:56:35] <locohost_> is that normal from zenchkrels -r -x1

[12-Aug-2011 08:02:28] <tsener> how could I generate an event transform

[12-Aug-2011 08:02:57] <tsener> to have certain event  with critical priority during certain hours of the day, and with error priority in the rest

[12-Aug-2011 08:03:00] <tsener> ?

[12-Aug-2011 08:12:23] <locohost_> you can set different alerting rules to apply at different times

[12-Aug-2011 08:17:10] <locohost_> so, you could call specific device being down a yellow and have it only alert in the console

[12-Aug-2011 08:17:40] <locohost_> and have a different alerting rule during specific hours that says to page oncall on warnings from that device

[12-Aug-2011 08:34:32] <tsener> locohost: where can I map these ?

[12-Aug-2011 08:35:41] <luizzmizz> now that you're speaking about alert rules...

[12-Aug-2011 08:36:52] <luizzmizz> when i create an event view and filter it by Device Group... it's empty, and there's hosts on this group with events

[12-Aug-2011 08:36:55] <luizzmizz> is it normal?

[12-Aug-2011 08:38:55] <luizzmizz> whoa whoa whoa... i didn't ask anything

[12-Aug-2011 08:38:58] <luizzmizz> forget it :S

[12-Aug-2011 08:39:29] <forsberg> oi anyone fumbled with ip service, send string/ expect regex monitoring in zenoss 2.5.2?

[12-Aug-2011 08:40:05] <forsberg> im asking because i cannot get it to fail, it finds my regex 'yes' without' in the reply 'no' without ''

[12-Aug-2011 08:45:18] <JohnnyNOC> dpetzel

[12-Aug-2011 08:45:25] <JohnnyNOC> i think i figured out the ldap problem i had before

[12-Aug-2011 08:45:30] <dpetzel> oh yeah?

[12-Aug-2011 08:45:34] <JohnnyNOC> now the groups that are the crazy names are gone, real AD groups are in

[12-Aug-2011 08:45:39] <JohnnyNOC> yea, it was a configuration problem

[12-Aug-2011 08:45:59] <JohnnyNOC> and i was able to delete the old funky ones, and when people logged back in they weren't recreated

[12-Aug-2011 08:46:05] <JohnnyNOC> so i assume you must be experiencing something similar

[12-Aug-2011 08:46:38] <dpetzel> well, I didnt have the funky one

[12-Aug-2011 08:46:43] <dpetzel> ones*

[12-Aug-2011 08:46:55] <dpetzel> For me every group a user is part of in LDAP

[12-Aug-2011 08:47:00] <dpetzel> is created as a Zenoss Group

[12-Aug-2011 08:47:05] <dpetzel> and I'm unable to delete them

[12-Aug-2011 08:47:12] <dpetzel> they are all 'real' groups

[12-Aug-2011 08:47:13] <JohnnyNOC> ahhhhh

[12-Aug-2011 08:47:15] <JohnnyNOC> well then nm

[12-Aug-2011 08:47:15] <JohnnyNOC>

[12-Aug-2011 08:47:28] <dpetzel> thanks for the info though, just out of curiousity what was the configuration error?

[12-Aug-2011 08:47:30] <JohnnyNOC> i thought you were saying you also had the funky ones

[12-Aug-2011 08:48:08] <JohnnyNOC> i think it was acl_users -> properties -> groupid_attr = cn

[12-Aug-2011 08:48:29] <JohnnyNOC> pretty sure that was it because th eonly other thing i had changed was the "Groups Base DN"

[12-Aug-2011 08:48:37] <JohnnyNOC> but that was previously set to the value it is now

[12-Aug-2011 08:48:51] <dpetzel> ahh. that makes a lot of sense now that you say it, never occured to me when you were saying yesterday you had funky groups

[12-Aug-2011 08:48:51] <JohnnyNOC> (all in the zmi)

[12-Aug-2011 08:49:17] <froztbyte> uh, wow, this is a new one

[12-Aug-2011 08:49:34] <froztbyte> my one client managed to nuke nearly all the IPs on devices in zenoss

[12-Aug-2011 08:49:40] <froztbyte> *how*, I don't know (yet)

[12-Aug-2011 08:50:02] <froztbyte> given that none of them have Manager permissions :/

[12-Aug-2011 08:56:14] <Hackman238> Morning all!

[12-Aug-2011 08:56:55] <froztbyte> thankfully, my day is almost over

[12-Aug-2011 08:57:08] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Tough day?

[12-Aug-2011 08:57:13] <froztbyte> except of course now everyone is bringing up weird and difficult issues in the last 3 hours of the day

[12-Aug-2011 08:57:38] <Hackman238> froztbyte: I hate it when that happens. Maybe I can help. Whats up?

[12-Aug-2011 08:57:45] <froztbyte> Hackman238: my biggest client had Yet Another Total DC Power Outageâ„¢, which had me up in bits from 02h00

[12-Aug-2011 08:57:56] <froztbyte> and then a bunch of fixes on that through the day

[12-Aug-2011 08:58:02] <froztbyte> and now other crap

[12-Aug-2011 08:58:10] <froztbyte> read up a few lines to see what another client of mine managed to do

[12-Aug-2011 08:58:14] <Hackman238> froztbyte: If they lose power thats their problem

[12-Aug-2011 08:58:22] <froztbyte> no, it's ours

[12-Aug-2011 08:58:33] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Oh man

[12-Aug-2011 08:58:41] <froztbyte> we're the support and management partner for the systems, so we get to recover them when they blow it all up

[12-Aug-2011 08:58:44] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Wow- sorry man

[12-Aug-2011 08:59:02] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Day of madness

[12-Aug-2011 08:59:22] <Hackman238> froztbyte: check in http://yourzenoss:8080/zport/dmd/manage

[12-Aug-2011 08:59:27] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Click the undo tab

[12-Aug-2011 08:59:27] <froztbyte> like our DB cluster coming up faster than the EMC does, the FC cards going splitbrain and then everything requiring patient step-by-step recovery to make it all work

[12-Aug-2011 08:59:41] <Hackman238> froztbyte: It should list all zope operations for the last 24-48 hours

[12-Aug-2011 09:00:08] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Sounds like you need a better storage platform

[12-Aug-2011 09:00:37] <froztbyte> believe me, if I could.....

[12-Aug-2011 09:00:44] <froztbyte> some parts of this is our call to make, other parts are not

[12-Aug-2011 09:01:33] <froztbyte> is the undo tab a 3.x thing?

[12-Aug-2011 09:02:37] <Sam-I-Am> morning folks

[12-Aug-2011 09:03:01] <froztbyte> looks like it, since I can't find it on this 2.5.2

[12-Aug-2011 09:03:14] <froztbyte> guess this would be as good a time as any to upgrade // rebuild :/

[12-Aug-2011 09:05:16] <froztbyte> Hackman238: know of any other place where I could find a Zope transaction log?

[12-Aug-2011 09:05:38] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Should be in 2.5.2 also

[12-Aug-2011 09:06:27] <froztbyte> I'm on :8080/zport/dmd/Devices/manage, and I have the following tabs: Contents, Security, Ownership, Properties

[12-Aug-2011 09:06:34] <Sam-I-Am> waking up more tired than when i went to bed... i feel cheated

[12-Aug-2011 09:06:41] <Hackman238> froztbyte: remove Devices and look there

[12-Aug-2011 09:07:04] <froztbyte> aha

[12-Aug-2011 09:07:09] <froztbyte> Sam-I-Am: welcome to my day

[12-Aug-2011 09:07:13] <froztbyte> Hackman238: awesome, ta

[12-Aug-2011 09:08:04] <froztbyte> "/zport/dmd/Devices/Network/Router/Mikrotik/devices/24 Victoria Link - Route 21/setManageIp by zport guiltyuser "

[12-Aug-2011 09:08:48] <froztbyte> more than 1 guiltyuser, in fact...sounds like I get to club people over the head...goodie

[12-Aug-2011 09:11:55] <locohost_> can i truncate my history table in mssql?

[12-Aug-2011 09:13:04] * Sam-I-Am hands froztbyte the cluebat

[12-Aug-2011 09:17:46] <froztbyte> "exceptions.NotImplementedError" when I try to revert those actions

[12-Aug-2011 09:17:58] <froztbyte> is there a particular order in which I should attempt to revert them?

[12-Aug-2011 09:18:03] <Hackman238> froztbyte:

[12-Aug-2011 09:18:14] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Not possible in many cases to revert from so far back

[12-Aug-2011 09:18:17] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Sorry

[12-Aug-2011 09:19:39] <froztbyte> well, this was last night, according to the timestamps

[12-Aug-2011 09:19:49] <froztbyte> but at least I know what caused it

[12-Aug-2011 09:19:54] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Also some actions might not be revertable

[12-Aug-2011 09:20:17] <froztbyte> yeah apparently so

[12-Aug-2011 09:20:18] <Sam-I-Am> froztbyte: so, i missed the early part... some user with decent access screw something up for you?

[12-Aug-2011 09:20:26] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Start from the beginning and work back. The undo is complete though, so every change that happened after the change you undo is also undid

[12-Aug-2011 09:20:51] <froztbyte> Sam-I-Am: ZenManager level user managed to remove all IPs from /all/ devices

[12-Aug-2011 09:20:55] <froztbyte> fuck knows how

[12-Aug-2011 09:21:06] <Hackman238> froztbyte: The undo page is better for finding who to target for retribution

[12-Aug-2011 09:21:24] <JohnnyNOC> the beatings will continue until morale improves!

[12-Aug-2011 09:21:30] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: LOL!

[12-Aug-2011 09:21:31] <Sam-I-Am> eeeeeooooo

[12-Aug-2011 09:21:34] <froztbyte> looking at the order of things here, it looks like pushConfig was done, and then they started adding things back

[12-Aug-2011 09:21:43] <froztbyte> Hackman238: yeah, that's sorta the idea I'm getting

[12-Aug-2011 09:22:14] <Hackman238> froztbyte: The undo in the sense of Zope does work, but in the sense of Zenoss the Zope is too complex to easily undo

[12-Aug-2011 09:22:38] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg

[12-Aug-2011 09:22:49] <Hackman238> I have an interesting new pack I built last night

[12-Aug-2011 09:23:08] <Hackman238> It extends the DeviceSearch to allow searching by any attributes on devices

[12-Aug-2011 09:23:35] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 I just zeopacked my Data.fs and now there's a DAta.fs.old

[12-Aug-2011 09:23:38] <JohnnyNOC> i can blow that away right?

[12-Aug-2011 09:23:41] <Hackman238> ..like if you have custom properties to identify a customer or a computer number, etc.

[12-Aug-2011 09:23:54] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: You can delete Data.fs.old

[12-Aug-2011 09:23:55] <JohnnyNOC> from 19G -> 874M

[12-Aug-2011 09:24:02] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Should be much faster now too

[12-Aug-2011 09:24:09] <froztbyte> Hackman238: hrm

[12-Aug-2011 09:24:12] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: ZODB works like Microsoft Jet

[12-Aug-2011 09:24:34] <froztbyte> Hackman238: well, could I easily get a visible snapshot of the undo, pick the data out of it?

[12-Aug-2011 09:25:14] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Possibly, but I dont know where it would be.

[12-Aug-2011 09:25:24] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Let me ask Sir Google

[12-Aug-2011 09:26:09] * froztbyte is also doing so

[12-Aug-2011 09:26:13] <froztbyte> while interrogating users

[12-Aug-2011 09:27:24] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Shake'em until they talk!

[12-Aug-2011 09:30:32] <froztbyte> well, http://docs.zope.org/zope2/zope2book/UsingZope.html is pretty useless

[12-Aug-2011 09:37:00] <froztbyte> well, this certainly is/was an exercise in wtf

[12-Aug-2011 09:38:19] <froztbyte> well, I wanna drown someone in a well

[12-Aug-2011 09:38:37] * froztbyte soliloquies

[12-Aug-2011 10:00:40] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Sorry man.

[12-Aug-2011 10:01:48] <Sam-I-Am> have you obtained retribution yet?

[12-Aug-2011 10:02:13] <froztbyte> yup

[12-Aug-2011 10:02:29] <froztbyte> just sent the ticket reply that is my sanity's gateway to salvation

[12-Aug-2011 10:03:21] <froztbyte> wording is roughly: "yeah hey so let's fix this up, and then we review the wiki and make sure you guys meet the doc standard and tag incomplete pages"

[12-Aug-2011 10:03:42] <froztbyte> and then next week I can make them fix up the documentation too, because it's a bloody mess at the moment

[12-Aug-2011 10:04:03] <Hackman238> froztbyte: I dont really have any good solution for undoing those ops. Next time you come to SA, Texas, tacos on me.

[12-Aug-2011 10:04:07] <froztbyte> people uploading RTFs containing the running config of a router, and that's then the site information

[12-Aug-2011 10:04:15] <froztbyte> Hackman238:

[12-Aug-2011 10:04:29] <froztbyte> Hackman238: I do plan to swing by all of the states one day in the future

[12-Aug-2011 10:05:03] <froztbyte> prolly starting in the south-east corner, taking a 3-month go through it in a debian spiral

[12-Aug-2011 10:06:36] <Hackman238> froztbyte: lol

[12-Aug-2011 10:51:38] <Hackman238> Just discovered something pretty neat

[12-Aug-2011 10:52:08] <Hackman238> In skype you can edit sent messages using vi syntax s/something/somethingelse/

[12-Aug-2011 11:06:09] <squig> having a strange issue I have increased the size of a disk in a computer, whats the best way to tell the disk  total bytes to increase

[12-Aug-2011 11:17:44] <Hackman238> squig: In zenoss?

[12-Aug-2011 11:17:49] <Hackman238> squig: Remodel the device

[12-Aug-2011 11:18:30] <locohost_> squig, i think waiting will also take care of it

[12-Aug-2011 11:18:42] <locohost_> dont know what hte scheduel is, but it seems like zenoss figures it out after a few hrs

[12-Aug-2011 11:19:36] <Hackman238> locohost_: every 12 hours less modified

[12-Aug-2011 11:20:11] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 that hasn't helped me in the past

[12-Aug-2011 11:20:14] <JohnnyNOC> i've had to remove/re-add the device

[12-Aug-2011 11:20:20] <squig> aah I think the problem is I just added too much diskspace

[12-Aug-2011 11:20:26] <JohnnyNOC> (when i've extended a logical volume for example)

[12-Aug-2011 11:20:30] <squig> 32 bit counter just wrapped

[12-Aug-2011 11:20:37] <JohnnyNOC> that would probably do it

[12-Aug-2011 11:20:41] <locohost_> i have zenoss monitor my san and i regularly grow san volumes and always am fine after a remodel in zenoss

[12-Aug-2011 11:20:42] <squig> 205% util

[12-Aug-2011 11:21:15] <Hackman238> squig: The problem is Zenoss polls the utilization but models the total capacity

[12-Aug-2011 11:21:15] <squig> whats the largest sized volumes do you use with zenoss?

[12-Aug-2011 11:21:42] <Hackman238> squig: since utilization is for a larger size drive than zenoss knows about, the percent is wrong

[12-Aug-2011 11:22:05] <Hackman238> squig: Largest I've used with zenoss personally was a 500 RAID10

[12-Aug-2011 11:22:12] <Hackman238> *500GB

[12-Aug-2011 11:22:27] <squig> aah I have 20TB

[12-Aug-2011 11:22:46] <Hackman238> squig: But I've customers with multi terabyte arrays that model fine

[12-Aug-2011 11:23:00] <squig> I just went from 12 -> 20 TB and its now broken

[12-Aug-2011 11:23:12] <Hackman238> squig: you'll need to remodel for it to be right

[12-Aug-2011 11:23:32] <Hackman238> squig: even then....20TB is pretty big- not sure capacity planning to that extend was in place

[12-Aug-2011 11:23:50] <Hackman238> squig: Go to the device in question, click the gear icon in the lower left, model

[12-Aug-2011 11:23:55] <squig> I have remodled? 20TB is quite small

[12-Aug-2011 11:24:06] <Hackman238> squig: Once its done refresh the page

[12-Aug-2011 11:24:28] <Hackman238> squig: If its still not right you might be in the case JohnnyNOC notes-you might need to readd the device to get it to work.

[12-Aug-2011 11:24:34] <Hackman238> squig: Its generally not the case, but it happens

[12-Aug-2011 11:24:51] <squig> the whole device? its a shame to throw away my perf data

[12-Aug-2011 11:25:01] <Hackman238> squig: Try to remodel first

[12-Aug-2011 11:25:06] <Hackman238> squig: We can save your perf data

[12-Aug-2011 11:25:13] <squig> yeah its showing the wrong data

[12-Aug-2011 11:25:21] <Hackman238> squig: Even after remodel?

[12-Aug-2011 11:25:38] <squig> yes

[12-Aug-2011 11:25:52] <squig> Total 5tb used 11.5TB

[12-Aug-2011 11:26:23] <Hackman238> squig: When you modelled onscreen, did you see the filesystem modeller work?

[12-Aug-2011 11:26:46] <squig>  Modeler zenoss.snmp.HRFileSystemMap processing data for device

[12-Aug-2011 11:26:59] <Hackman238> squig: Is it possible to use 64bit counters?...you'll really want to for such large numbers- tho 32bit counters should work

[12-Aug-2011 11:27:26] <Hackman238> (long as the largest chunck is less than the limit of 32 bits)

[12-Aug-2011 11:27:44] <squig> is there a way to see what oid's are getting queried for a particular device

[12-Aug-2011 11:28:08] <locohost_> debug zensnmpd, right?

[12-Aug-2011 11:28:25] <Hackman238> squig: at the cli as zenoss, zenperfsnmp run now -v10 -d {device name}

[12-Aug-2011 11:28:27] <locohost_> well, its also going to be in the monitoring template under advanced

[12-Aug-2011 11:28:55] <squig> thanks im just getting used to this all

[12-Aug-2011 11:29:05] <locohost_> would zendmd reindex help here? seems to help me when i have quarky paroblems

[12-Aug-2011 11:29:38] <Hackman238> locohost_: cant hurt, but I dont tihnk so.

[12-Aug-2011 11:29:50] <Hackman238> locohost_: Sounds like the modeller isnt running

[12-Aug-2011 11:30:24] <squig> oh the total changed from 12 Tb to 5Tb

[12-Aug-2011 11:32:09] <Hackman238> squig: After modeling?

[12-Aug-2011 11:32:20] <squig> yes

[12-Aug-2011 11:32:23] <Hackman238> squig: Your snmp agent cant report the right value

[12-Aug-2011 11:32:25] <locohost_> do you mean it changed from 5TB to 12?

[12-Aug-2011 11:32:31] <locohost_> this is a 12TB volume currently?

[12-Aug-2011 11:32:52] <squig> It was a 12TB vol, it changed to 5TB it is now a 20TB volume

[12-Aug-2011 11:33:15] <locohost_> yeah, your counter is rolling over

[12-Aug-2011 11:33:16] <Hackman238> squig: sounds liek the snmp agent doesnt understand the volume size and is mis reporting it

[12-Aug-2011 11:33:22] <Hackman238> squig: What platform?

[12-Aug-2011 11:33:35] <locohost_> 16TB is the max size of 32 bit aggregate

[12-Aug-2011 11:34:14] <squig> linux

[12-Aug-2011 11:34:26] <squig> checking which snmp

[12-Aug-2011 11:34:27] <Hackman238> squig: What flavor and version?

[12-Aug-2011 11:34:51] <Hackman238> squig: Sounds like you'll need to update your net-snmpd and force the use of 64 bit counters

[12-Aug-2011 11:34:57] <Hackman238> locohost_: Yep, you're right

[12-Aug-2011 11:35:10] <squig> any idea how to do that

[12-Aug-2011 11:35:29] <Hackman238> squig: It depends on what flavor of linux and what version

[12-Aug-2011 11:35:45] <squig> surely it depends on which snmp version I am running

[12-Aug-2011 11:35:50] <Hackman238> squig: If its a 20TB filesystem I suspect its really SAN or NAS

[12-Aug-2011 11:36:01] <locohost_> yeah, 20-5 is conveniently close to 16TB (there is some rounding involved with our numbers obviously)\

[12-Aug-2011 11:36:04] <Hackman238> squig: Yes, you must use v2c

[12-Aug-2011 11:36:08] <squig> i use v2c

[12-Aug-2011 11:36:18] <locohost_> but, yeah, thas what happens when it rolles over, it starts back at zero and continues to count up, so its saying 5 makes complete sense

[12-Aug-2011 11:36:28] <squig> its kinda a SAN, I have no switch

[12-Aug-2011 11:36:31] <squig> direct attached

[12-Aug-2011 11:36:44] <squig> locohost, yes that sounds right

[12-Aug-2011 11:36:57] <Hackman238> squig: okay. do a unamr -r

[12-Aug-2011 11:37:08] <Hackman238> squig: uname -r

[12-Aug-2011 11:37:28] <Hackman238> squig: rather, do a uname -a

[12-Aug-2011 11:37:34] <Hackman238> squig: post the result

[12-Aug-2011 11:37:42] <squig> but why? surely its rather more important what snmp server i am using?

[12-Aug-2011 11:38:05] <Hackman238> squig: Yes, but without knowing the version of linux I cant help you update it

[12-Aug-2011 11:38:42] <squig> I dont understand how using a different redhat  vs debian would affect my snmpd ?

[12-Aug-2011 11:38:48] <locohost_> hrm, what oid is it? 1.3.6.1.2.1.25.2.3.1.6

[12-Aug-2011 11:39:01] <squig> hrStorageSize

[12-Aug-2011 11:39:02] <locohost_> err, what kinda of host is this?

[12-Aug-2011 11:39:06] <Hackman238> squig: You might very well need to update your platform if a platform built update is unavailable and compiling a newer version of snmp is not an option.

[12-Aug-2011 11:39:23] <Hackman238> squig: The reason is the software progresses and there could be bugs. Redhat is natorious for changing code

[12-Aug-2011 11:39:37] <Hackman238> squig: If your version is very old, its almost certain

[12-Aug-2011 11:39:48] <Hackman238> squig: Are you a sysadmin?

[12-Aug-2011 11:39:54] <squig> I am

[12-Aug-2011 11:40:27] <Hackman238> squig: Okay, just checking. I'd validate your version of snmpd is the lastest and greatest for your platform

[12-Aug-2011 11:40:37] <squig> NET-SNMP version:  5.4.2.1

[12-Aug-2011 11:40:53] <Hackman238> squig: less your platform be arcane or anchient, you might try to remove snmpd and compile a recent version

[12-Aug-2011 11:41:35] <squig> I dont think updateing version is going to change the counters though?

[12-Aug-2011 11:41:47] <Hackman238> squig: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=654384

[12-Aug-2011 11:41:50] <Hackman238> squig: Its a bug

[12-Aug-2011 11:41:52] <locohost_> what kinda volume is this that is 20TB btw, that is pretty frickin big

[12-Aug-2011 11:42:03] <Hackman238> locohost_: Sounds like a db

[12-Aug-2011 11:42:19] <squig> its file storage

[12-Aug-2011 11:42:20] <locohost_> i hope i never requires an FSCK

[12-Aug-2011 11:42:24] <Hackman238> locohost_: has me interested too LOL

[12-Aug-2011 11:42:29] <locohost_> cifs?

[12-Aug-2011 11:42:32] <Hackman238> locohost_: LOL! tru true

[12-Aug-2011 11:42:38] <squig> its quite small for what I am used too

[12-Aug-2011 11:42:42] <squig> um, no nfs

[12-Aug-2011 11:42:47] <squig> we are all linux here

[12-Aug-2011 11:43:00] <Hackman238> squig: Cool. Where you at?

[12-Aug-2011 11:43:09] <squig> a visual effects company

[12-Aug-2011 11:43:33] <Hackman238> squig: Ah- makes sense why such large fs

[12-Aug-2011 11:43:52] <squig> We can make a TB a week and there are only a few of us

[12-Aug-2011 11:44:31] <Hackman238> squig: 3d animation or editing?

[12-Aug-2011 11:44:49] <squig> vfx - animation, compositing

[12-Aug-2011 11:45:14] <kickehy> when you change a mapping zEventAction to drop, does it still log the event in the history?

[12-Aug-2011 11:45:40] <Hackman238> squig: Cool.

[12-Aug-2011 11:45:53] <Hackman238> squig: Anyway- its a netsnmp bug

[12-Aug-2011 11:46:55] <Hackman238> squig: All my clients deal with large databases, I cant say I've any with a fs larger than 6-10TB...a db much larger than that would be unmanagable

[12-Aug-2011 11:47:29] <Hackman238> squig: You could manually set the size in zenoss and lock the device fro modelling

[12-Aug-2011 11:47:30] <squig> I have been in places with > 1000TB of storage

[12-Aug-2011 11:47:44] <squig> the usage is just going to push it over

[12-Aug-2011 11:47:45] <Hackman238> squig: Yeah single FS of that size is silly

[12-Aug-2011 11:47:55] <Hackman238> squig: Impossible to recover in a dr situation

[12-Aug-2011 11:48:12] <squig> in that case we have duplicate at a dr site

[12-Aug-2011 11:48:16] <Hackman238> squig: better to break it up so its a virtual fs of those dimensions

[12-Aug-2011 11:48:42] <Hackman238> squig: yeah, but live replication is still madness and its not really a backup. a mirror is not a backup

[12-Aug-2011 11:48:59] <squig> we can loose data

[12-Aug-2011 11:49:05] <Hackman238> squig: Then again, with media its more forgiving

[12-Aug-2011 11:49:06] <squig> we are not a bank

[12-Aug-2011 11:49:10] <Hackman238> squig: yep exactly

[12-Aug-2011 11:49:25] <Hackman238> squig: yeah, sounds like you get to work with some neat stuff.

[12-Aug-2011 11:49:53] <squig> 24tb of disk is less than 20k these days so its not that spiffy

[12-Aug-2011 11:49:58] <Hackman238> squig: To be honest I'd say manually set the attribute for the size in bytes for zenoss then lock the device from model updetes

[12-Aug-2011 11:50:14] <locohost_> i cant seem to find a 64bit host resources mib

[12-Aug-2011 11:50:16] <squig> Hackman238, i really do need to just monitor it to stop it from filling up

[12-Aug-2011 11:50:22] <Hackman238> squig: aye, agreed, but 1000TB is pretty serious

[12-Aug-2011 11:50:56] <locohost_> those sound like cheap disks, disks for my san are much more then that

[12-Aug-2011 11:50:57] <squig> I think we had 6-7k machines rendering there

[12-Aug-2011 11:51:23] <squig> yeah, its cheap disk

[12-Aug-2011 11:51:34] <squig> we pay for it in wages but management just sees the capex

[12-Aug-2011 11:51:37] <Hackman238> squig: Yeah. Xeon or Opteron house?

[12-Aug-2011 11:51:46] <squig> that was xeon

[12-Aug-2011 11:51:51] <locohost_> squid, how long do you thinkg it would take to restore tihs 1 pedobyte volume from dr

[12-Aug-2011 11:52:32] <squig> locohost, we wouldnt, we would switch to the dr site storage

[12-Aug-2011 11:52:36] <Hackman238> squig: You wouldnt happen to be DMcM would you?

[12-Aug-2011 11:52:48] <squig> I dont know what a DMcM is

[12-Aug-2011 11:53:06] <Hackman238> squig: Short for a name. Guess not LOL

[12-Aug-2011 11:54:01] <Hackman238> locohost_: they're prob jsut mirrors

[12-Aug-2011 11:54:05] <Hackman238> *just

[12-Aug-2011 11:54:16] <locohost_> ahh, good thing, because assuming your getting 1GB a minute (which is about wahat I get in my snappmirors) it would take something like 694 days to restore

[12-Aug-2011 11:54:26] <Hackman238> locohost_: Compression of that volume of data would take too long for it to be effective

[12-Aug-2011 11:54:27] <squig> now i want to know what DMcM is for

[12-Aug-2011 11:54:29] <locohost_> i dont know what kinda sla's you have...maybe that sokay

[12-Aug-2011 11:54:45] <Hackman238> squig: McMorris

[12-Aug-2011 11:54:49] <locohost_> probably get nice deduplication savings though...hehe

[12-Aug-2011 11:54:56] <Hackman238> LOL

[12-Aug-2011 11:55:07] <squig> im in a much smaller place now, but yeah, our working set is much bigger than the data we care about

[12-Aug-2011 11:55:19] <squig> much of it can be regenerated again automatically

[12-Aug-2011 11:55:48] <Hackman238> squig: yeah mostly temp

[12-Aug-2011 11:56:03] <squig> mostly pretty pictures

[12-Aug-2011 11:56:10] <rhoulihan> kickehy: no, when the zEventAction is drop the event does not get processed.  It will not show up in the event history

[12-Aug-2011 11:56:21] <squig> people get upset when they go missing but we can just send them through the computers again

[12-Aug-2011 11:56:28] <kickehy> rhoulihan: ok, thanks

[12-Aug-2011 11:56:46] <Hackman238> kickehy: Sorry, I completely over looked your question

[12-Aug-2011 11:56:46] <squig> so even if i update my netsnmp I have to change zenoss

[12-Aug-2011 11:56:57] <kickehy> Hackman238: shame on you

[12-Aug-2011 11:57:04] <Hackman238> squig: the problem is netsnmp unfortunately

[12-Aug-2011 11:57:09] <kickehy> i'm completely and utterly offended now

[12-Aug-2011 11:57:17] <squig> 32bit nastyness

[12-Aug-2011 11:57:27] <Hackman238> squig: there might be a patch or something, but I wouldnt count on it.

[12-Aug-2011 11:57:36] <Hackman238> squig: Less you have redhat support

[12-Aug-2011 11:57:39] <squig> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=654384

[12-Aug-2011 11:58:04] <Hackman238> squig: Yep, same link from earlier

[12-Aug-2011 11:58:13] <squig> yes thats the fix

[12-Aug-2011 11:58:35] <squig> hrStorageSize will be multiplied by hrStorageAllocationUnits

[12-Aug-2011 11:59:21] <Hackman238> squig: Didnt read that far. LOL. Looks like its upstream if you want to compile the latest svn copy

[12-Aug-2011 11:59:36] <squig> but then I will have to make a plugin for zenoss too?

[12-Aug-2011 11:59:43] <Hackman238> squig: No

[12-Aug-2011 11:59:57] <squig> zenoss will be off by my hrStorageAllocationUnits

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[12-Aug-2011 12:00:38] <Hackman238> squig: ah yeah. Hum. You'll need to write a condition for the filesystem modeller

[12-Aug-2011 12:00:54] <squig> sounds like some thing for a monday

[12-Aug-2011 12:01:20] <squig> ooh and it changes once you go over32 bits

[12-Aug-2011 12:01:24] <squig> oh ick

[12-Aug-2011 12:01:54] <squig> ooh i see probably dont need to change zenoss

[12-Aug-2011 12:04:04] <Hackman238> squig: reading this again it looks like the value doesnt wrap

[12-Aug-2011 12:04:16] <Hackman238> squig: I'm not sure, its not exactly clear

[12-Aug-2011 12:04:24] <locohost_> hack, i was confused about that myself as its a guage not a counter

[12-Aug-2011 12:04:27] <squig> http://net-snmp.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/net-snmp?view=revision&revision=19941

[12-Aug-2011 12:05:12] <squig> thats the fix when you go over 32 bit values hrStorageSize stops being your block size and increases to be a value that will let it be big enough

[12-Aug-2011 12:05:16] <Hackman238> squig: Thats mroe clear.

[12-Aug-2011 12:05:25] <squig> stupid way to make a 64 bit counter

[12-Aug-2011 12:05:29] <Hackman238> squig: You'll need to have zenoss accomodate for the calculation

[12-Aug-2011 12:05:55] <squig> it must already as storage is calculated from hrStoragesize* hrStorageAllocationUnits

[12-Aug-2011 12:05:56] <Hackman238> squig: ...if theres any cases in place in the modeler which break due to the work around

[12-Aug-2011 12:06:20] <Hackman238> squig: Thats not my worry- many workaround are cased in to the modellers

[12-Aug-2011 12:06:27] <squig> oh

[12-Aug-2011 12:06:53] <squig> ill have a look next week

[12-Aug-2011 12:06:56] <Hackman238> squig: You'll have to try it to see if you get the right values. If so, great, if not, we'll look at the modeller and figure where its having a problem.

[12-Aug-2011 12:07:19] <squig> im not updating a server at 5pm on a friday with a beer in my hand

[12-Aug-2011 12:07:27] <Hackman238> squig: A really great example of this is the interface modeller, InterfaceMap.py

[12-Aug-2011 12:07:38] <Hackman238> squig: Cant blame you LOL

[12-Aug-2011 12:08:00] <locohost_> would be so much easier if they just calculated the storage in MB

[12-Aug-2011 12:08:11] <Hackman238> squig: InterfaceMap.py has case after case to handel special exceptions

[12-Aug-2011 12:08:30] <Hackman238> *handle

[12-Aug-2011 12:10:12] <squig> Net-SNMP on Linux will always report the speed of bond interfaces as

[12-Aug-2011 12:10:12] <squig>         # 10Mbps.

[12-Aug-2011 12:10:19] <squig> The problem is that 10Mbps

[12-Aug-2011 12:10:19] <squig>         # is a really bad default

[12-Aug-2011 12:10:24] <squig> LOL

[12-Aug-2011 12:10:26] <locohost_> ha

[12-Aug-2011 12:10:46] <Hackman238> squig:

[12-Aug-2011 12:11:12] <squig> thats horrific

[12-Aug-2011 12:11:28] <Hackman238> squig: Zenoss is full of interesting code

[12-Aug-2011 12:11:48] <squig> i like zenoss, it generally works

[12-Aug-2011 12:11:56] <Hackman238> squig: Agreed

[12-Aug-2011 12:12:00] <squig> I am the only systems here so its a help

[12-Aug-2011 12:12:02] <locohost_> i have issues where random interfaces on an old cat 6509 alarm at random times at very low throughput

[12-Aug-2011 12:12:08] <locohost_> like, 40mbps and stuff

[12-Aug-2011 12:12:25] <squig> I love the high/low util events

[12-Aug-2011 12:12:25] <locohost_> as if the speed.here is not being honored

[12-Aug-2011 12:12:55] <squig> I have a room full of computers that I try and run at 100% cpu

[12-Aug-2011 12:13:19] <locohost_> intereesting? why

[12-Aug-2011 12:13:38] <squig> they are busy doing math, as fast as we can do it

[12-Aug-2011 12:15:00] <Hackman238> locohost_: Render and compression calculations

[12-Aug-2011 12:15:28] <squig> yeah, we deal with frames

[12-Aug-2011 12:15:41] <squig> mostly

[12-Aug-2011 12:15:46] <squig> instead of video

[12-Aug-2011 12:15:55] <Hackman238> squig: Ah

[12-Aug-2011 12:16:21] <Hackman238> squig: super high dimensions for billboards, etc?

[12-Aug-2011 12:16:29] <squig> no film frames

[12-Aug-2011 12:16:50] <Hackman238> squig: oh gotcha

[12-Aug-2011 12:17:29] <squig> take a frame of film cut it into bits and send those bits off to computers and then join them together

[12-Aug-2011 12:18:32] <squig> what sort of DB's were you talking about earlier oracle?

[12-Aug-2011 12:19:12] <Hackman238> oracle and db2

[12-Aug-2011 12:20:28] <squig> cool stuff, we only run postgres and redis here

[12-Aug-2011 12:21:26] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[12-Aug-2011 12:23:40] <Hackman238> squig: Nice

[12-Aug-2011 12:51:34] <CSfreak_> where are zenoss log rotation settings?  I am currently overwriting my zenhublog files every minute with debug and really need them to stay around longer than that

[12-Aug-2011 12:51:42] CSfreak_ is now known as CSfreak

[12-Aug-2011 12:53:08] <CSfreak> nevermind, google found it faster

[12-Aug-2011 12:56:37] <CSfreak> incase someone is curious there is a maxbackuplogs attribute that can be set in the config file for a deamon, or at runtime with a --

[12-Aug-2011 14:10:16] <dhopp> ok..question...

[12-Aug-2011 14:11:09] <dhopp> when looking at graphs for a device, if I change the range (either from the drop down or by zooming in/out) if I allow Zenoss to refresh it always defaults back to hourly…is there a way to have it keep the current zoom level?

[12-Aug-2011 14:20:07] <robos> is there a way to get a bunch of graphs on one window? for example, i want to look at the load of 50 of my webservers on one screen versus having to click on each one

[12-Aug-2011 14:20:42] <Hackman238> dhopp: this is happening in v3?

[12-Aug-2011 14:21:08] <Hackman238> robos: There is, you'll want to create a graph report or a multigraph report

[12-Aug-2011 14:21:23] <robos> oh, sweet.

[12-Aug-2011 14:22:01] <robos> next question :-) Can I use zenoss to graph any random data? for example if i write a report of apache hits in the past year. Can i get that data into zenoss and have it graph it?

[12-Aug-2011 14:22:48] <Hackman238> robos: Anything thats a number, yep

[12-Aug-2011 14:22:49] <dhopp> Hackman238:  yes 3.1

[12-Aug-2011 14:23:05] <robos> oh, sweet. ty Hackman238

[12-Aug-2011 14:23:09] <Hackman238> dhopp: Hum...I havent had that issue

[12-Aug-2011 14:23:12] <Hackman238> robos: NP

[12-Aug-2011 14:30:26] <robos> Hackman238, do i have to load all that data in mysql first?

[12-Aug-2011 14:38:32] <Hackman238> robos: In zenoss the mysql db is only for events

[12-Aug-2011 14:38:43] <robos> o?

[12-Aug-2011 14:38:49] <Hackman238> robos: the zodb contains objects, relationships and configuration

[12-Aug-2011 14:39:05] <Hackman238> robos: The rrd files in $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/ contain performance data

[12-Aug-2011 14:40:59] <robos> okay, as long as you say it's possible i'll trust you can cross that bridge when i get there

[12-Aug-2011 14:41:13] <robos> :-)

[12-Aug-2011 14:41:20] <locohost_> you could have zenoss kick off a script that grabbed the current 5m data from apache

[12-Aug-2011 14:41:40] <locohost_> or, you could just itterate the info into an rrd file and graph that if your talking about past data

[12-Aug-2011 14:42:22] <locohost_> rrd is time based, so you can never put data into the past.  (that is, older then your most recent datapoint)

[12-Aug-2011 14:43:06] <locohost_> but, if youy can parse your apache data and get it into the format of..

[12-Aug-2011 14:43:14] <locohost_> epochtime:value epoctime:value

[12-Aug-2011 14:43:19] <locohost_> its really easy to put it an rrd file

[12-Aug-2011 14:44:00] <locohost_> brb

[12-Aug-2011 15:27:52] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238

[12-Aug-2011 15:28:13] <JohnnyNOC> could you suggest any helpful zenpack dev docs that are 3.x specific that aren't the zenoss dev guide or jane curry's paper?

[12-Aug-2011 15:38:42] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: What are you looking for?

[12-Aug-2011 15:39:26] <JohnnyNOC> anything helpful

[12-Aug-2011 15:39:27] <JohnnyNOC>

[12-Aug-2011 15:39:34] <JohnnyNOC> that aren't the 2 docs i mentioned above

[12-Aug-2011 15:39:36] <JohnnyNOC>

[12-Aug-2011 15:41:11] <nexex> I'm graphing a counter value I have setup, how do I have it graph the difference between queries instead of the raw value?

[12-Aug-2011 15:42:47] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Not really...not yet. My ipsla pack has simple examples of datasource, UI and daemon implimentation

[12-Aug-2011 15:44:11] <JohnnyNOC> i heard that pack breaks your zenoss

[12-Aug-2011 15:44:17] <JohnnyNOC> :X

[12-Aug-2011 15:44:49] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Not true

[12-Aug-2011 15:45:09] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: A modification someone had made to the pack broke zenoss

[12-Aug-2011 15:46:11] <Hackman238> And Tito on the forums does not know what he's talking about. Claimed IPX and AppleTalk are the successors to IPv4 LOL

[12-Aug-2011 15:47:53] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 i think that guy was a noob

[12-Aug-2011 15:48:32] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah. No worries, my IPSLA pack is in use by a half dozen of my personal clients, in use here at RackSpace and used heavily by Ryan Matte

[12-Aug-2011 15:48:48] <locohost_> nextex, that is what a counter does

[12-Aug-2011 15:48:50] <locohost_> tell it its a counter

[12-Aug-2011 15:48:53] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 it was just a joke i'm sure it works fine

[12-Aug-2011 15:49:16] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Oh ok LOL- sorry, been a long day

[12-Aug-2011 15:49:28] <JohnnyNOC> np

[12-Aug-2011 15:49:29] <JohnnyNOC> tgif

[12-Aug-2011 15:50:30] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah definately.

[12-Aug-2011 15:58:05] <JohnnyNOC> we're serving beer at 4pm

[12-Aug-2011 15:58:08] <JohnnyNOC> come on down Hackman238

[12-Aug-2011 16:01:49] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah we drink at 4 too, but only thursdays LOL

[12-Aug-2011 16:02:07] <JohnnyNOC> hahaha

[12-Aug-2011 16:02:16] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 is there a way in the 3.x UI to save the production states you want to view?

[12-Aug-2011 16:02:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Where you at again?

[12-Aug-2011 16:02:29] <JohnnyNOC> it defaults to production, and i want to see dev/staging/etc but when i browse away and come back i have to re-enable those

[12-Aug-2011 16:02:33] <JohnnyNOC> and a royal p.i.t.a.

[12-Aug-2011 16:02:40] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 downtown chicago, the loop.. Chicago Board of Trade

[12-Aug-2011 16:02:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: In Na, you have to tweak the UI to fix that

[12-Aug-2011 16:02:53] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Oh right- I remember now.

[12-Aug-2011 16:02:55] <Hackman238> LOL

[12-Aug-2011 16:03:03] <JohnnyNOC> where do i tweak the ui to do that?

[12-Aug-2011 16:03:10] <JohnnyNOC> like, in the source?

[12-Aug-2011 16:03:19] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I forget. Let me fireup a v3.x instance and look for you

[12-Aug-2011 16:03:33] <JohnnyNOC> really appreciate as i can't seem to find out how

[12-Aug-2011 16:03:36] <JohnnyNOC> i can when i look at events

[12-Aug-2011 16:03:43] <JohnnyNOC> but doesn't seem toe xist when looking at devices

[12-Aug-2011 16:03:56] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah its one of those UI things thats after thought

[12-Aug-2011 16:12:31] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: $ZENHOME/Products/ZenUI3/browser/resources/js/zenoss/form/DeviceFields.js

[12-Aug-2011 16:13:16] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Line 76, defaultValues: ['1000']

[12-Aug-2011 16:13:35] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: do ['1000','300',ect]

[12-Aug-2011 16:13:47] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Restart zope and see if it works

[12-Aug-2011 16:21:22] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Also edit ZenUI3/browser/resources/js/deploy/zenoss-compiled.js and search 'fields:["name","value"]}),defaultValues:["1000"]}' Add values there also

[12-Aug-2011 16:24:56] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Win or Fail?

[12-Aug-2011 16:36:04] <robos> it's been a while since I've used zenoss -- version 2 was my last. Now with version 3 a lot has changed (obviously.) I'm trying to figure out how to create a new device class like server -> linux -> webserver and then from there create custom graphs. I am looking at the official zenoss docs and am not seeing a way to do this. Is there another recommended tutorial for this sorta thing?

[12-Aug-2011 16:37:19] <Hackman238> robos: Click infrastructure, pick the parent class, click the + button in the lower left

[12-Aug-2011 16:38:06] <robos> brilliant, ty :-)

[12-Aug-2011 16:38:18] <Hackman238> robos: NP

[12-Aug-2011 16:45:47] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 sorry i was aFK

[12-Aug-2011 16:45:56] <JohnnyNOC> i'm busy trying to load some devices right now so i'm not going to bounce zope

[12-Aug-2011 16:46:02] <JohnnyNOC> but i'm goign to try this weekend or monday

[12-Aug-2011 16:46:08] <JohnnyNOC> really appreciate you digging into it to find it

[12-Aug-2011 16:47:06] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: No sweat. I tested it, workd

[12-Aug-2011 16:51:53] <JohnnyNOC> sweet

[12-Aug-2011 16:56:58] <Hackman238> Have to run. Later all!

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[12-Aug-2011 17:41:35] <nexex> in a graph is 10 m the same as 0.10?

[12-Aug-2011 17:48:32] <locohost> robos, i had like 2 years of experiance with 2 then no experiance with zenoss for a year and came back and hackman helped me too, lol

[12-Aug-2011 18:28:33] <JohnnyNOC> damn

[12-Aug-2011 18:28:36] <JohnnyNOC> have a device i can't delete

[12-Aug-2011 18:28:37] <JohnnyNOC> grr

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[12-Aug-2011 23:56:15] <JohnnyNOC> 

[12-Aug-2011 23:56:22] <Sam-I-Am> 

[12-Aug-2011 23:56:50] <JohnnyNOC> woops

[12-Aug-2011 23:56:50] <JohnnyNOC>

[12-Aug-2011 23:56:58] <Sam-I-Am> mine was on purpose

[12-Aug-2011 23:57:02] <JohnnyNOC> i figured

[12-Aug-2011 23:57:14] <JohnnyNOC> i have a database conflicterror when i reidex()

[12-Aug-2011 23:57:17] <JohnnyNOC> :[

[12-Aug-2011 23:57:23] <Sam-I-Am> f0rmat c:

[12-Aug-2011 23:57:43] <Sam-I-Am> i've seen that before though

[12-Aug-2011 23:57:47] <Sam-I-Am> didnt seem to affect much

[12-Aug-2011 23:57:50] <JohnnyNOC> wish it were that simple

[12-Aug-2011 23:58:05] <JohnnyNOC> i hope so but i'd feel a lot better if i could figure out how to stop it

[12-Aug-2011 23:58:40] <Sam-I-Am> beer would help

[12-Aug-2011 23:59:12] <JohnnyNOC> very rie

[12-Aug-2011 23:59:13] <JohnnyNOC> true

[12-Aug-2011 23:59:16] <JohnnyNOC> irie

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[13-Aug-2011 00:00:49] <Sam-I-Am> i've got an ice cold beer in a frosty mug

[13-Aug-2011 00:01:50] <JohnnyNOC> ice cold water for me tonight

[13-Aug-2011 00:01:51] <JohnnyNOC> woo

[13-Aug-2011 00:01:53] <JohnnyNOC> gettin crazy

[13-Aug-2011 00:02:33] <Sam-I-Am> booooring

[13-Aug-2011 00:03:27] <JohnnyNOC> i know, i know

[13-Aug-2011 00:03:30] <JohnnyNOC> and i'm thinking bout work

[13-Aug-2011 00:03:52] <JohnnyNOC> but i just set this thing up recently so i'm a little frustrated i'm having this problem

[13-Aug-2011 00:03:58] <JohnnyNOC> and i wanna fix it

[13-Aug-2011 00:03:59] <JohnnyNOC> :]

[13-Aug-2011 00:04:41] <locohost> yeah, you have been here all day johnny

[13-Aug-2011 00:08:43] <JohnnyNOC> yea

[13-Aug-2011 00:08:49] <JohnnyNOC> but i have to figure this out or i have to start over

[13-Aug-2011 00:08:52] <JohnnyNOC> and that would suck

[13-Aug-2011 00:09:08] <JohnnyNOC> because a bunch of scripts won't work if i can't reindex() or commit()

[13-Aug-2011 00:10:30] <locohost> what happens when you try and reindex?

[13-Aug-2011 00:11:13] <locohost> because i coudlnt get mine to reindex to day and i can some code i found on the web, dont remember the error though

[13-Aug-2011 00:12:16] <JohnnyNOC> it gives a traceback error

[13-Aug-2011 00:12:22] <JohnnyNOC> something about btree's

[13-Aug-2011 00:12:32] <JohnnyNOC> i tried a few things too unfortunately none have worked

[13-Aug-2011 00:12:34] <JohnnyNOC> :/

[13-Aug-2011 00:16:06] <locohost> docs/DOC-2535

[13-Aug-2011 00:16:09] <locohost> you try that?

[13-Aug-2011 00:19:29] <JohnnyNOC> yes

[13-Aug-2011 00:19:33] <JohnnyNOC> and the layer3 thing

[13-Aug-2011 00:19:36] <JohnnyNOC> and zenchkrels

[13-Aug-2011 00:19:39] <JohnnyNOC> and zenfixit

[13-Aug-2011 00:19:47] <JohnnyNOC> and i think thats it

[13-Aug-2011 00:20:40] <locohost> try em all 3 times each then restart zenoss 2x, then reboot, then do all 3 of them again and restart zenoss, then reboot again, then fdisk/reinstall

[13-Aug-2011 00:20:41] <locohost> j/k

[13-Aug-2011 00:20:45] <JohnnyNOC> hahhaha

[13-Aug-2011 00:33:15] <locohost> have you tried to navigate to the device

[13-Aug-2011 00:33:32] <locohost> then replace everything after the very last / and put manage in there

[13-Aug-2011 00:33:42] <locohost> then click delete device from the zope console

[13-Aug-2011 00:35:11] <locohost> wait, you did say you had a device you couldnt delete, right?

[13-Aug-2011 00:44:44] <JohnnyNOC> yes but it's been deleted

[13-Aug-2011 00:44:48] <JohnnyNOC> and re-added

[13-Aug-2011 00:45:00] <JohnnyNOC> but out of curiousity i thought i'd delete the device, and then try to reindex

[13-Aug-2011 00:45:11] <JohnnyNOC> which is whats happening now while i watch some A-Team in the background

[13-Aug-2011 00:45:30] <locohost> i love it when a plan comes together

[13-Aug-2011 00:46:11] <JohnnyNOC> yea man

[13-Aug-2011 00:46:40] <JohnnyNOC> i don't want to start over from scratch but i will..  and i'll do a better job of backing shit up before i fuck with it

[13-Aug-2011 00:46:41] <JohnnyNOC>

[13-Aug-2011 00:49:36] <Sam-I-Am> my problem was with a phantom device

[13-Aug-2011 00:53:54] <JohnnyNOC> i -think- my problem stemmed from thinking the device was gone, and still in zope

[13-Aug-2011 00:54:05] <JohnnyNOC> and i tried to delete it there, but it always said it couldn't find the device

[13-Aug-2011 00:54:20] <JohnnyNOC> so i dont think that ever worked but seems like the most likely reason why shit is borked now

[13-Aug-2011 00:54:37] <Sam-I-Am> not sure what i did to resolve my issue

[13-Aug-2011 00:54:47] <Sam-I-Am> might have been zenfixit

[13-Aug-2011 00:55:10] <locohost> could have been the beer

[13-Aug-2011 00:55:30] <locohost> it usually helps me make my problems go away, for a while at least

[13-Aug-2011 00:58:01] <JohnnyNOC> well deleting and reindexing didn't help

[13-Aug-2011 00:58:02] <JohnnyNOC> :/

[13-Aug-2011 00:58:35] <Sam-I-Am> zenfixit

[13-Aug-2011 00:58:44] <JohnnyNOC>  i tried running it earlier

[13-Aug-2011 00:58:51] <JohnnyNOC> didn't appear to have helped

[13-Aug-2011 00:58:57] <Sam-I-Am> chkrels?

[13-Aug-2011 00:59:09] <JohnnyNOC> tried that too

[13-Aug-2011 01:02:43] <JohnnyNOC> but for good measure i'm running them again

[13-Aug-2011 01:02:48] <JohnnyNOC> maybe locohost was right earlier

[13-Aug-2011 01:05:11] <Sam-I-Am> moar beer?

[13-Aug-2011 01:07:26] <JohnnyNOC> gwb235:20 <locohost> try em all 3 times each then restart zenoss 2x, then reboot, then do all 3 of them again and restart zenoss, then reboot again, then fdisk/reinstall

[13-Aug-2011 01:07:46] <Sam-I-Am> lol

[13-Aug-2011 01:09:12] <locohost> the problem i was having, was i made a local copy of a template and applied it to a device, and it started alarming from a template higher up in the tree

[13-Aug-2011 01:09:46] <locohost> and alarming at values under the theshold, like it wasnt honoring speed.here in the threshold

[13-Aug-2011 01:10:13] <locohost> reindex failes with some wacky errors, so I ran the code I posted before on the doc a few times and i could index again

[13-Aug-2011 01:11:52] <JohnnyNOC> "a few times" meaning it didn't work at first?

[13-Aug-2011 01:12:16] <Sam-I-Am> i know i've run zenfixit and zenchkrels a couple of times in a row

[13-Aug-2011 01:12:20] <davetoo> wow... I never see traffic here at this hour

[13-Aug-2011 01:12:34] <Sam-I-Am> we're either drunk or troubleshooting

[13-Aug-2011 01:12:37] <davetoo> heh

[13-Aug-2011 01:12:38] <Sam-I-Am> or some combination thereof

[13-Aug-2011 01:12:42] <davetoo> what's broken?

[13-Aug-2011 01:13:06] <Sam-I-Am> JohnnyNOC's got some late nite db problems

[13-Aug-2011 01:13:14] <Sam-I-Am> inconsistencies preventing reindex

[13-Aug-2011 01:13:25] <locohost> im pretty sure i had to do it a few times

[13-Aug-2011 01:13:38] <davetoo> That's not one I've had to solve yet

[13-Aug-2011 01:13:41] <locohost> zenchkrels still doesnt finish quite right actually

[13-Aug-2011 01:13:57] <JohnnyNOC> it finished fine when i ran it before

[13-Aug-2011 01:14:04] <JohnnyNOC> it's running now so i guess i'll find out

[13-Aug-2011 01:15:12] <locohost> have you seen the website is down videos?  webdude:  "how many times did you reboot it?" chip from sales: "Three man, you always tell me to reboot it 3 times"

[13-Aug-2011 01:15:48] <Sam-I-Am> yeah its hilarious

[13-Aug-2011 01:16:32] <davetoo> JohnnyNOC: take a backup now

[13-Aug-2011 01:16:43] <davetoo> version?

[13-Aug-2011 01:16:50] <locohost> vmware snapshot that crap

[13-Aug-2011 01:17:16] <JohnnyNOC> davetoo haha i have a back up from a couple days ago, this is a fresh install i've been working on so it's not a huge deal

[13-Aug-2011 01:17:36] <JohnnyNOC> just a big inconvenience..  going to ruin my sat/sun while i re-do things i had done since the backup

[13-Aug-2011 01:17:41] <JohnnyNOC> 3.1.0 btw

[13-Aug-2011 01:19:48] <locohost> do you guys know why database administrators make bad house guests?

[13-Aug-2011 01:20:08] <Sam-I-Am> n..no?

[13-Aug-2011 01:20:17] <locohost> they might take a dump on your table

[13-Aug-2011 01:20:23] <Sam-I-Am> lol

[13-Aug-2011 01:22:37] <locohost> i really need to get a new home server, i cant handle 32 bit anymore, though its a pretty decent 32 bit esx box

[13-Aug-2011 01:22:51] <locohost> i want to run the F5 appliance, but there is only a 64bit ver

[13-Aug-2011 01:23:02] <Sam-I-Am> mmm f5

[13-Aug-2011 01:23:09] <Sam-I-Am> i need to dl that

[13-Aug-2011 01:23:20] <Sam-I-Am> i too need more vm hp, but at least my box is 64 bit

[13-Aug-2011 01:23:24] <Sam-I-Am> its just overloaded

[13-Aug-2011 01:23:28] <Sam-I-Am> swapping vms is bad

[13-Aug-2011 01:23:40] <locohost> im pretty sure you need to have a support contract with f5 to have access to it

[13-Aug-2011 01:23:51] <Sam-I-Am> i have partner access

[13-Aug-2011 01:23:56] <locohost> and its a 90day trial, but they will give you as many keys as you want

[13-Aug-2011 01:24:01] <locohost> maybe its 60

[13-Aug-2011 01:24:26] <locohost> thats probably fine for my f5 needs at home though

[13-Aug-2011 01:24:36] <Sam-I-Am> i just need to learn the platform

[13-Aug-2011 01:24:41] <Sam-I-Am> its nice when companies push VMs

[13-Aug-2011 01:24:42] <locohost> just wipe, give it an ip and sync /etc/ with your bakcup

[13-Aug-2011 01:24:48] <Sam-I-Am> less crap eating power

[13-Aug-2011 01:25:48] <Sam-I-Am> also shows how much is really just x86

[13-Aug-2011 01:27:22] <Sam-I-Am> time to hit the sack here

[13-Aug-2011 01:27:25] <Sam-I-Am> i'm beat

[13-Aug-2011 01:28:22] <locohost> be safe

[13-Aug-2011 01:28:42] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, its a long 15 foot walk

[13-Aug-2011 01:28:51] <JohnnyNOC> have a good one

[13-Aug-2011 01:28:54] <Sam-I-Am> lates

[13-Aug-2011 01:28:57] <JohnnyNOC> i'm hitting the sack too

[13-Aug-2011 01:29:00] <JohnnyNOC> night locohost

[13-Aug-2011 01:29:06] <JohnnyNOC> night am

[13-Aug-2011 02:08:53] <c00p> where can I download the f5 vm ?

[13-Aug-2011 02:09:05] <c00p> I need to play and learn f5

[13-Aug-2011 02:14:01] <locohost> i think you need access to their support site

[13-Aug-2011 02:14:28] <locohost> you may be able to register and get it w/o a support contract, not sure

[13-Aug-2011 02:15:34] <locohost> https://login.f5.com/resource/registerEmail.jsp

[13-Aug-2011 02:16:00] <c00p> ok will give it a whirl

[13-Aug-2011 02:16:01] <c00p> ta

[13-Aug-2011 02:16:01] <locohost> my account happens to be tied to a support contact, not sure if that portion of the dl section is available to anyone....but it is a trial so maybe

[13-Aug-2011 02:16:41] <locohost> and i have a link to click generate key, and it will send me unlimited 60 or 90 day keys

[13-Aug-2011 02:17:13] <locohost> however, it requires a 64 bit machine and my home esx server is 32-bit

[13-Aug-2011 02:17:30] <locohost> one of the reasons i want one is actually to play with zenoss templates

[13-Aug-2011 02:18:30] <c00p> wonder if esx vps's exist yet where you can get access to the vmware console

[13-Aug-2011 02:18:33] <c00p> that would be good

[13-Aug-2011 02:18:35] <c00p> *cool

[13-Aug-2011 02:20:04] <c00p> big-ip is what I am after yeah ?

[13-Aug-2011 02:28:54] <locohost> LTM or GTM

[13-Aug-2011 02:29:12] <locohost> (local traffic management, global traffic management)

[13-Aug-2011 02:29:23] <locohost> yeah, big ip, is the less specific name

[13-Aug-2011 02:29:42] <locohost> BIGIP-10.1.0.3341.1084.ovf  myabe

[13-Aug-2011 02:30:28] <daveloper> hia,

[13-Aug-2011 02:31:00] <locohost> uu oh! a developer! /me sets quotas

[13-Aug-2011 02:31:20] <daveloper> I'm getting Exception Cannot find "root". KeyError: 'root' as described here: message/60541

[13-Aug-2011 02:31:24] <daveloper> any idea ?

[13-Aug-2011 02:32:43] <locohost> hrm, weird, you didnt change roots uid or something like that right, zenoss and the box work fine other then that?

[13-Aug-2011 02:33:41] <daveloper> nothing I've changed. Just installing some zenpacks, removing some of them adding datasource and point

[13-Aug-2011 02:34:15] <locohost> i think they mah have an iso and an otf c00p, forget which one you need

[13-Aug-2011 02:36:52] <daveloper> I don't know what can I do, any method for troubleshooting.

[13-Aug-2011 02:36:53] <daveloper> ?

[13-Aug-2011 02:37:49] <locohost> any idea what might have happened that promoted this? it worked before"

[13-Aug-2011 02:40:16] <daveloper> this is my second installation on this network. previous one went  the same way.

[13-Aug-2011 02:41:32] <daveloper> I don't know what happed. I've no idea about the root cause. the message appears in monitoring templates menu.

[13-Aug-2011 02:43:39] <daveloper> and this is related event.log entry

[13-Aug-2011 02:43:40] <daveloper> http://pastebin.com/2TvtC594

[13-Aug-2011 02:45:04] <locohost> well, idk, reindexing the zope db cant hurt, but i dont know specifically that it will

[13-Aug-2011 02:45:13] <locohost> sudo su zenoss

[13-Aug-2011 02:45:20] <locohost> zendmd

[13-Aug-2011 02:45:28] <locohost> reindex()

[13-Aug-2011 02:45:30] <locohost> sync()

[13-Aug-2011 02:45:33] <locohost> commit()

[13-Aug-2011 02:45:48] <daveloper> backup before.

[13-Aug-2011 02:45:50] <daveloper>

[13-Aug-2011 02:46:42] * daveloper Daveloper

[13-Aug-2011 02:47:10] <locohost> not a bad idea before you try something someone on the internet told you to do

[13-Aug-2011 02:48:09] <locohost> and zenchkrels -x 1 -r

[13-Aug-2011 02:48:38] <daveloper> ohhh

[13-Aug-2011 02:49:58] <locohost> u only have problems with the Zuul.marshal(template ?

[13-Aug-2011 02:50:35] <locohost> is t hat part of a zenpack you loaded?

[13-Aug-2011 02:51:47] <daveloper> I've to check zenpacks one by one,

[13-Aug-2011 02:53:25] <locohost> idk what it is, maybe search your fs for it...

[13-Aug-2011 02:53:31] <locohost> you have a zuul router?

[13-Aug-2011 02:54:21] <daveloper> i don't know what's this. zuul router

[13-Aug-2011 03:01:35] <locohost> idk dave i did a bit of googling and couldnt find much on it, w/o reading page and pages..my initial guess is that it may be related to python extdirect or something

[13-Aug-2011 03:03:12] <daveloper> http://paste2.org/p/1582113

[13-Aug-2011 03:05:25] <locohost> does the reindex work?

[13-Aug-2011 03:05:28] <locohost> or does it fail?

[13-Aug-2011 03:19:45] <daveloper> the about paste is reindex output

[13-Aug-2011 03:28:44] <c00p> locohost: was able to generate a key and download latest big IP VE as a pleb user

[13-Aug-2011 03:28:50] <c00p> leeching away now

[13-Aug-2011 03:41:36] <daveloper> pfff

[13-Aug-2011 03:42:04] <daveloper> I don't like resinstallation at all.

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[13-Aug-2011 19:53:32] <tvincent> What would the code be to set a device to decomissioned via the rest call?

[13-Aug-2011 19:53:56] <tvincent> Like in the end of a rest call

[13-Aug-2011 19:54:10] <tvincent> would set it to maintenance

[13-Aug-2011 19:54:17] <tvincent> i can't find it anywhere int he documentation

[13-Aug-2011 19:54:44] <tvincent> have a server crashing because of too many objects and need to quickly stop a thousand devices from being monitored.

[13-Aug-2011 19:54:47] <tvincent> thanks in advance

[13-Aug-2011 22:03:38] <robos> hello: i created a new device class, /server/linux/cf_webservers and created a bunch of graphs under there. However, even though devices use that class the new graphs aren't showing up.

[13-Aug-2011 22:04:50] <robos> and if i go to the device i added, under monitoring templates it only shows device (server/linux) and doesn't show the new one

[13-Aug-2011 22:05:04] <robos> is there a way to have the template bound to all devices in that class?

[13-Aug-2011 22:05:16] <robos> or do i have to go to each device and bind it?

[13-Aug-2011 22:28:18] <JohnnyNOC> 

[13-Aug-2011 22:28:39] <JohnnyNOC> you can bind it to the device class

[13-Aug-2011 22:37:23] <robos> JohnnyNOC, any bread crumbs on how to do that? Browsing around and i think i'm just missing it

[13-Aug-2011 22:39:59] <robos> JohnnyNOC, found it :-)

[13-Aug-2011 22:40:55] <JohnnyNOC>  /wii robos

[13-Aug-2011 22:40:58] <JohnnyNOC> whoops

[13-Aug-2011 22:41:01] <JohnnyNOC> sorry

[13-Aug-2011 22:41:08] <JohnnyNOC> but happy to know ou found it

[13-Aug-2011 22:41:23] <robos> what does /wii do?

[13-Aug-2011 22:43:03] <robos> lame list probably ;-)

[13-Aug-2011 22:43:15] <robos> lame lists me

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[14-Aug-2011 11:26:50] <dhopp> Hackman238: you there?

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[14-Aug-2011 18:35:58] <zykes-> to make a choice, chef or puppet ?

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[15-Aug-2011 05:11:13] <kotique> Hi. How do you report interface monthly traffic for billing purposes?

[15-Aug-2011 06:56:38] <froztbyte> kotique: mmm?

[15-Aug-2011 06:57:30] <froztbyte> what sort of customers? DC sort of environment?

[15-Aug-2011 06:57:59] <froztbyte> I guess you could either take a look at the reports thing to see if it can do that, otherwise make something which pulls data from the RRDs?

[15-Aug-2011 07:13:18] <kotique> i see that's available in enterprise version, but we don't have $25k on monitoring softawre

[15-Aug-2011 07:13:42] <kotique> prtg seems to be very cool, though i see its limitations

[15-Aug-2011 07:25:22] <froztbyte> well, the data's there already, so I guess you could just extract it out of the system

[15-Aug-2011 07:25:33] <froztbyte> the RRDs have at least a year's data in it, i think

[15-Aug-2011 07:29:19] <kotique> okay, will have to modify graphs then to contain volume lines

[15-Aug-2011 09:20:02] <Hackman238> Morning all

[15-Aug-2011 09:23:07] <JohnnyNOC> morning

[15-Aug-2011 09:23:23] <JohnnyNOC> came into the office today and somethigns wrong with my events db

[15-Aug-2011 09:23:33] <JohnnyNOC> 'error server connection error' in the console

[15-Aug-2011 09:23:57] <Simon4> tried connecting to mysql on the command line as the zenoss user?

[15-Aug-2011 09:24:31] <JohnnyNOC> yes, no problems

[15-Aug-2011 09:25:03] <Simon4> check zenhub.log also

[15-Aug-2011 09:25:10] <Simon4> there may be a better error message in there

[15-Aug-2011 09:25:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: su zenoss and try `mysql -u zenoss -p`

[15-Aug-2011 09:26:00] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Password is zenoss. then `use events;`

[15-Aug-2011 09:26:15] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: If all OK, do `show status;`

[15-Aug-2011 09:26:51] <JohnnyNOC> evertyhign seems ok

[15-Aug-2011 09:27:00] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Is the value of Table_locks_waited high?

[15-Aug-2011 09:27:23] <JohnnyNOC> no it's 0

[15-Aug-2011 09:27:31] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Wow. Hum.

[15-Aug-2011 09:27:41] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Zenoss 2.5 or 3?

[15-Aug-2011 09:27:45] <JohnnyNOC> this is my 2.5

[15-Aug-2011 09:27:51] <JohnnyNOC> UI works, just no events

[15-Aug-2011 09:27:58] <JohnnyNOC> and no idea why i'm getting this server error

[15-Aug-2011 09:27:59] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Click Event Manager

[15-Aug-2011 09:28:21] <JohnnyNOC> yep

[15-Aug-2011 09:28:39] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Everything look good? re-enter the password zenoss and save it for good measure

[15-Aug-2011 09:28:47] <JohnnyNOC> everything looks fine

[15-Aug-2011 09:28:48] <JohnnyNOC> saved pw

[15-Aug-2011 09:28:50] <JohnnyNOC> still same error

[15-Aug-2011 09:28:52] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Is the 'host' localhost?

[15-Aug-2011 09:29:11] <JohnnyNOC> ye

[15-Aug-2011 09:29:19] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: try ping localhost

[15-Aug-2011 09:29:32] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Just want to be sure your localhost hasnt been hijacked

[15-Aug-2011 09:29:42] <JohnnyNOC> i can ping localhhost fine

[15-Aug-2011 09:29:59] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hum. Sounds like the eventdb could be corrupted

[15-Aug-2011 09:30:10] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Did you make any changes to my.cnf lately?

[15-Aug-2011 09:30:25] <JohnnyNOC> no

[15-Aug-2011 09:30:30] <psyklone> definitely check zenhub.log, and/or restart zenhub and tail the zenhub log to see what it's complaining about

[15-Aug-2011 09:31:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hopefully there will be some clues

[15-Aug-2011 09:31:51] <JohnnyNOC> zenhub.log looks normal

[15-Aug-2011 09:31:55] <JohnnyNOC> nothing out of the ordinary there

[15-Aug-2011 09:32:15] <JohnnyNOC> i can select from tables np at the command line

[15-Aug-2011 09:32:19] <JohnnyNOC> so i don't think it's corrupted per se

[15-Aug-2011 09:32:34] <Simon4> JohnnyNOC: zenoss is configured to use "localhost" as it's mysql host, not the ip address of the server?

[15-Aug-2011 09:32:36] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: try this as zenoss user, `zenhub run now -v10`

[15-Aug-2011 09:33:14] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 won't finish, says address already in use

[15-Aug-2011 09:33:20] <JohnnyNOC> twisted.internet.error.CannotListenError: Couldn't listen on any:8789: (98, 'Address already in use').

[15-Aug-2011 09:33:34] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Shoot- you'll need to stop zenhub to try it

[15-Aug-2011 09:34:02] <JohnnyNOC> ok, giving it a shot

[15-Aug-2011 09:34:37] <JohnnyNOC> it's scrolling too fast to make any sense of it

[15-Aug-2011 09:35:07] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Try the ui now

[15-Aug-2011 09:35:19] <JohnnyNOC> same thing

[15-Aug-2011 09:35:25] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Usually Zenhub will break right away if it cant hit the sql db

[15-Aug-2011 09:35:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Whats the exact error?

[15-Aug-2011 09:36:16] <JohnnyNOC> "ERror: server connection error"

[15-Aug-2011 09:36:19] <JohnnyNOC> while trying to use the UI

[15-Aug-2011 09:36:25] <JohnnyNOC> and doesn't show any of my events

[15-Aug-2011 09:36:35] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Oh okay.

[15-Aug-2011 09:36:50] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I thought it was giving you the cannot cannect to events error

[15-Aug-2011 09:37:08] <JohnnyNOC> no

[15-Aug-2011 09:37:10] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Sounds like either the filters are messed up or theres and event killing the event console

[15-Aug-2011 09:37:32] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: In that case, bow out of that foreground zendmd and restart zendmd normall.

[15-Aug-2011 09:37:40] <Guest94635> Morning guys. I was wondering if zenoss plots out the ping times for devices that are being pinged?

[15-Aug-2011 09:37:51] <Simon4> Guest94635: nope, it doesn't

[15-Aug-2011 09:38:01] <Guest94635> Thanks!

[15-Aug-2011 09:38:04] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 you mean zenhub i presume?

[15-Aug-2011 09:38:25] <Simon4> from memory there was a fping ZenPack once that would do such a thing, but it may have fallen into disuse now - check the ZenPacks page

[15-Aug-2011 09:38:41] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: yeah zenhub, sorry

[15-Aug-2011 09:38:47] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Short on threads

[15-Aug-2011 09:39:01] <JohnnyNOC> np

[15-Aug-2011 09:39:02] <JohnnyNOC>

[15-Aug-2011 09:39:09] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: In $ZENHOME/etc/zope.conf, whats the value of default-zpublisher-encoding?

[15-Aug-2011 09:39:36] <JohnnyNOC> utf-8

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[15-Aug-2011 09:40:06] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: 2.5.2?

[15-Aug-2011 09:40:39] <JohnnyNOC> yes

[15-Aug-2011 09:41:29] <Exdaix> Guest94635: I use fping and it works great - latest 3.x here

[15-Aug-2011 09:41:44] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: vi $ZENHOME/Products/ZenUtils/jsonutils.py

[15-Aug-2011 09:41:57] <Exdaix> Guest94635: Just make sure to follow the install instructions and get fping compiled/installed correctly

[15-Aug-2011 09:42:01] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Search for 'return _json.dumps(value, **kw)" to "return _json.dumps(value, encoding='

[15-Aug-2011 09:42:09] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Whats encoding=?

[15-Aug-2011 09:42:35] <Hackman238> Guest94635: Agreed- we have no problem witht he fping pack here at RackSpace

[15-Aug-2011 09:43:25] <JohnnyNOC> vi that file does not exist

[15-Aug-2011 09:43:52] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hum. ok

[15-Aug-2011 09:44:11] <JohnnyNOC> there was a json.py

[15-Aug-2011 09:44:16] <JohnnyNOC> and i se iso-8859-1

[15-Aug-2011 09:44:42] <JohnnyNOC> ls -al

[15-Aug-2011 09:45:25] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Okay

[15-Aug-2011 09:45:33] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: mysql -u root -p

[15-Aug-2011 09:45:37] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: use events;

[15-Aug-2011 09:45:42] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: show variables like 'coll%';

[15-Aug-2011 09:46:11] <JohnnyNOC> ok

[15-Aug-2011 09:46:23] <JohnnyNOC> latin1_swedish_ci

[15-Aug-2011 09:46:25] <JohnnyNOC> wtf

[15-Aug-2011 09:46:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: In $ZENHOME/Products/ZenUtils/json.py, change iso-8859-1 to utf-8

[15-Aug-2011 09:46:55] <JohnnyNOC> ok but wait

[15-Aug-2011 09:47:00] <JohnnyNOC> how would any of this have changed over the weekend

[15-Aug-2011 09:47:06] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Okay, your event db has the wrong encoding. It wouldnt

[15-Aug-2011 09:47:08] <JohnnyNOC> no one would have changed that manuall, thats for sure

[15-Aug-2011 09:47:13] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: An event came in with an incompatible char

[15-Aug-2011 09:47:15] <JohnnyNOC> how could that have happened?

[15-Aug-2011 09:47:29] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Its probably a single event LOL

[15-Aug-2011 09:48:00] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: In your my.cnf

[15-Aug-2011 09:48:03] <Hackman238> default-character-set=utf8

[15-Aug-2011 09:48:04] <Hackman238> collation_server=utf8_unicode_ci

[15-Aug-2011 09:48:19] <JohnnyNOC> man

[15-Aug-2011 09:48:20] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Under [mysqld]

[15-Aug-2011 09:48:28] <JohnnyNOC> i'm really hesitant to start making all these changes

[15-Aug-2011 09:48:30] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Should stop the problem from happening

[15-Aug-2011 09:48:45] <JohnnyNOC> how do i know this is isn't going to fuck up other shit?

[15-Aug-2011 09:48:47] <JohnnyNOC> :/

[15-Aug-2011 09:48:58] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Lets skip the event db changes then

[15-Aug-2011 09:49:04] <JohnnyNOC> if it's an event causing the problem

[15-Aug-2011 09:49:06] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Lets just try tweaking the json file

[15-Aug-2011 09:49:09] <JohnnyNOC> couldn't i just manually drop them?

[15-Aug-2011 09:49:25] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yes, if you know which event or dont mind droping the whole db

[15-Aug-2011 09:49:54] <JohnnyNOC> well, just tweaking json didn't seem to help

[15-Aug-2011 09:51:47] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hum.

[15-Aug-2011 09:52:06] <JohnnyNOC> how do i get more details about this specific error i see in the UI

[15-Aug-2011 09:52:26] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: You could formulate some sql foo to list the events that contain non utf-8 chars and delete those events

[15-Aug-2011 09:52:49] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: That error doenst produce much info

[15-Aug-2011 09:53:09] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: You could try stopping zope and doing a zopectl fg to see if it tells you anything more

[15-Aug-2011 09:53:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: (when it bombs on the event console)

[15-Aug-2011 09:53:42] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Here's a thread on all of this. thread/13244?start=15&tstart=0

[15-Aug-2011 09:54:07] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: There might be a patch for 2.5.2 without rebuilding the events db at utf8

[15-Aug-2011 09:54:32] <JohnnyNOC> well fuck

[15-Aug-2011 09:54:37] <JohnnyNOC> if i knew that was my problem i might give it a try

[15-Aug-2011 09:54:41] <JohnnyNOC> but i don't know that's the problem

[15-Aug-2011 09:54:43] <JohnnyNOC> ;///////

[15-Aug-2011 09:55:07] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: The event console in 2.5 has been a real issue

[15-Aug-2011 09:55:12] <Simon4>  I think we've hit this also, zenoss doesn't filter characters on their way into the db

[15-Aug-2011 09:55:21] * Simon4 seems to recall our monitoring team swearing about it

[15-Aug-2011 09:55:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: It could be alot, but its probably a bad event

[15-Aug-2011 09:56:00] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: How many events are generally in your event console?

[15-Aug-2011 09:56:19] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: The incompatible one might stick right out

[15-Aug-2011 09:56:40] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Also we could try a zopectl stop; zopectl fg then reproducing the error

[15-Aug-2011 09:57:22] <JohnnyNOC> about 200

[15-Aug-2011 09:57:29] <JohnnyNOC> but i see no events

[15-Aug-2011 09:57:32] <JohnnyNOC> so i can't just see one

[15-Aug-2011 09:58:45] <JohnnyNOC> when i run zopectl fg

[15-Aug-2011 09:58:46] <JohnnyNOC> i see this

[15-Aug-2011 09:58:47] <JohnnyNOC> 2011-08-15 08:58:38 WARNING ZEO.zrpc (6712) CW: error connecting to ('localhost', 8100): ECONNREFUSED

[15-Aug-2011 09:59:10] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: and your running zopectl fg as zenoss on the zenoss master?

[15-Aug-2011 09:59:23] <JohnnyNOC> yes

[15-Aug-2011 09:59:33] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: do a zeoctl status

[15-Aug-2011 10:00:01] <JohnnyNOC> i didn't see it running

[15-Aug-2011 10:00:15] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: If its stopped, do a zeoctl start

[15-Aug-2011 10:00:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: then a zopectl fg

[15-Aug-2011 10:00:33] <JohnnyNOC> i stopped everything and am starting it back up and am going to look for it

[15-Aug-2011 10:01:40] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: ok

[15-Aug-2011 10:02:12] <JohnnyNOC> ok i think that was another problem with me stopping/starting services

[15-Aug-2011 10:02:16] <JohnnyNOC> but that error is now gone

[15-Aug-2011 10:02:20] <JohnnyNOC> however, i still get the error in the UI

[15-Aug-2011 10:02:38] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Okay. did you zopectl stop; zopectl fg?

[15-Aug-2011 10:02:46] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Just zope, not all of zenoss

[15-Aug-2011 10:03:12] <JohnnyNOC> i restarted all of zenoss because zeo wasn't running

[15-Aug-2011 10:03:16] <JohnnyNOC> i've done that

[15-Aug-2011 10:03:18] <nate1> hello all

[15-Aug-2011 10:03:24] <JohnnyNOC> i've done zeopctl stoopl zopectl fg

[15-Aug-2011 10:03:28] <JohnnyNOC> everything looks good

[15-Aug-2011 10:03:31] <JohnnyNOC> i still have the problem in the ui

[15-Aug-2011 10:04:32] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Damn.

[15-Aug-2011 10:04:39] <Hackman238> nate1: Hi name

[15-Aug-2011 10:05:03] <Hackman238> nate1: *nate

[15-Aug-2011 10:05:40] <nate1> I was about to ask a question, but I think it has been resolved already, hah

[15-Aug-2011 10:05:46] <Hackman238> nate1: LOL

[15-Aug-2011 10:06:05] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: of you select * from status; in mysql, do you see any weird characters?

[15-Aug-2011 10:06:37] <nate1> so I will just lurk instead!

[15-Aug-2011 10:07:02] <JohnnyNOC> no

[15-Aug-2011 10:07:05] <JohnnyNOC> but it also scrolled fast

[15-Aug-2011 10:09:16] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: You'll probably need to pipe it to a file or up your console scroll back to look

[15-Aug-2011 10:11:15] <JohnnyNOC> *facepalm*

[15-Aug-2011 10:11:58] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I'm looking for a better way now

[15-Aug-2011 10:12:07] <JohnnyNOC> i'm just dropping everything from my tables

[15-Aug-2011 10:12:11] <JohnnyNOC> but i dont even think that's right

[15-Aug-2011 10:13:47] <tsener> mysql -u root -c "use events; select * from status;" | less

[15-Aug-2011 10:13:48] <tsener>

[15-Aug-2011 10:14:57] <tsener> do make a backup using mysqldump before changing collations or dropping tables ...

[15-Aug-2011 10:15:29] <JohnnyNOC> i dont have any reason to believe collations are the problem

[15-Aug-2011 10:15:35] <JohnnyNOC> besides 'my shit is broke'

[15-Aug-2011 10:15:44] <JohnnyNOC> all i know is the ui can't talk to the events db

[15-Aug-2011 10:15:50] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Sure. BRB

[15-Aug-2011 10:15:54] <JohnnyNOC> i can connect to it fine, locally, remotely, select shit from tables

[15-Aug-2011 10:16:07] <JohnnyNOC> according to event manager it's setup correctly as well

[15-Aug-2011 10:16:10] <JohnnyNOC> i dont see anything in any logs

[15-Aug-2011 10:16:21] <JohnnyNOC> that indicates what the problem might be, or even that there's a problem at all

[15-Aug-2011 10:18:05] <JohnnyNOC> well

[15-Aug-2011 10:18:12] <JohnnyNOC> i deleted something from mysql and now it works

[15-Aug-2011 10:18:27] <JohnnyNOC> seemed to fix itself when i 'delete from detai;'

[15-Aug-2011 10:18:31] <JohnnyNOC> delete from detail;

[15-Aug-2011 10:23:43] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Ah

[15-Aug-2011 10:23:51] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: The invalid char was in a description

[15-Aug-2011 10:23:54] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: LOL

[15-Aug-2011 10:24:10] <JohnnyNOC> :[

[15-Aug-2011 10:24:11] <JohnnyNOC> grr

[15-Aug-2011 10:24:20] <JohnnyNOC> i just spent 2 hours of my morning fucking with that

[15-Aug-2011 10:24:35] <JohnnyNOC> maybe 90min either way, grr..  however i'm glad it's fixed

[15-Aug-2011 10:24:40] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Sorry man. I promise its fixed in 3

[15-Aug-2011 10:24:48] <Hackman238> (3.1)

[15-Aug-2011 10:25:54] <JohnnyNOC> thank god

[15-Aug-2011 10:25:57] <JohnnyNOC> i have diff probs there

[15-Aug-2011 10:26:08] <JohnnyNOC> ran a script overnight to add all my devices and found /usr partition filled up this morning

[15-Aug-2011 10:26:12] <JohnnyNOC> and maybe 33% of my devices added

[15-Aug-2011 10:26:20] <JohnnyNOC> stopping zenoss freed up all the space

[15-Aug-2011 10:26:24] <JohnnyNOC> and now i'm trying to add the rest

[15-Aug-2011 10:26:33] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: was it /usr or /tmp?

[15-Aug-2011 10:26:49] <JohnnyNOC> and then, over the weekend i was busy wrestling with database conflict errors

[15-Aug-2011 10:26:52] <JohnnyNOC> it was /usr

[15-Aug-2011 10:27:09] <JohnnyNOC> and damn

[15-Aug-2011 10:27:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Wow. You really need to get off 2.5

[15-Aug-2011 10:27:41] <JohnnyNOC> let me just say that if you install the cisco/proliant mib zenpack and don't remove the objects via zendmd the UI is sooooo slow

[15-Aug-2011 10:27:47] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 that was my 3.1 install

[15-Aug-2011 10:28:13] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Oh damn.

[15-Aug-2011 10:28:22] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah mibs are always time consuming

[15-Aug-2011 10:28:24] <JohnnyNOC> you know, by the end of this i should be a Zenoss master

[15-Aug-2011 10:28:29] <JohnnyNOC> i feel like i've had _every_ probelm

[15-Aug-2011 10:28:31] <JohnnyNOC>

[15-Aug-2011 10:28:34] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Why was /usr full?

[15-Aug-2011 10:28:50] <JohnnyNOC> i don't know exactly - but i stopped zenoss and it went back to like, 8%

[15-Aug-2011 10:28:51] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Its bizarre for that dir to fill up unless it was the Data.fs

[15-Aug-2011 10:28:58] <JohnnyNOC> i assume that's what it was

[15-Aug-2011 10:29:01] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Thats scarey.

[15-Aug-2011 10:29:07] <JohnnyNOC> because when i added ~200 devices it grew super huge

[15-Aug-2011 10:29:09] <JohnnyNOC> to like, 2G

[15-Aug-2011 10:29:19] <JohnnyNOC> and i was trying to add ~800 overnight

[15-Aug-2011 10:29:20] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: It wont shrink when you stop zenoss though

[15-Aug-2011 10:29:27] <JohnnyNOC> i know

[15-Aug-2011 10:29:31] <JohnnyNOC> i've been zeopack'ing it

[15-Aug-2011 10:29:34] <JohnnyNOC> and reindex()

[15-Aug-2011 10:29:34] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Sounds like virtual allocation

[15-Aug-2011 10:29:53] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I wonder if it was mysql. You're stack install, right?

[15-Aug-2011 10:30:01] <JohnnyNOC> yes

[15-Aug-2011 10:30:14] <JohnnyNOC> i have all the perf daemons off

[15-Aug-2011 10:30:27] <JohnnyNOC> so there shouldn't have been much for events

[15-Aug-2011 10:30:56] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Thats true, but large queries could cause mysql to gobble RAM

[15-Aug-2011 10:31:07] <JohnnyNOC> sure, i don't dispute that

[15-Aug-2011 10:31:13] <JohnnyNOC> either way, the devices are still in the process of being added

[15-Aug-2011 10:31:21] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: In some cases allocate virtual memory way beyond its scope.

[15-Aug-2011 10:31:32] <JohnnyNOC> and i'm getting more accustomed to the 3.x ui

[15-Aug-2011 10:31:35] <JohnnyNOC> meeting bbiab

[15-Aug-2011 10:31:37] <JohnnyNOC> thanks for the help Hackman238

[15-Aug-2011 10:31:42] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah. I'm just perplexed why that happened

[15-Aug-2011 10:31:48] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: NP. Later

[15-Aug-2011 11:58:55] <Exdaix> Hey guys, I've got about 89 servers mixed Windows and Linux using pretty much the default monitoring templates and the server is churning away at about 3GHz consistently. Is that normal? It's a bit worrying since I've got potentially a thousand devices to monitor.

[15-Aug-2011 11:59:26] <Exdaix> I've gone through some of the tweaking articles so far

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[15-Aug-2011 12:05:55] <dhopp> Exdaix:  that is not normal…what process is chewing cpu?

[15-Aug-2011 12:06:49] <Exdaix>  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND

[15-Aug-2011 12:06:49] <Exdaix>  8453 zenoss    20   0 39616  32m 3540 R 67.2  1.6   0:02.02 .python.bin

[15-Aug-2011 12:06:49] <Exdaix>  8464 zenoss    20   0 22384  16m 3256 R 31.9  0.8   0:00.96 .python.bin

[15-Aug-2011 12:06:49] <Exdaix>  8472 zenoss    20   0  9608 4684 2108 R  8.3  0.2   0:00.25 .python.bin

[15-Aug-2011 12:06:52] <Exdaix> for example

[15-Aug-2011 12:07:40] <Hackman238> Exdaix: In top press 'c'

[15-Aug-2011 12:07:48] <dhopp> Exdaix:  zenoss is made up of a bunch of python..I need to know specifically which one...

[15-Aug-2011 12:08:13] <dhopp> ps aux | grep 8453 will probably give a little more info

[15-Aug-2011 12:08:47] <dhopp> and what does free -m look like?

[15-Aug-2011 12:09:28] <Exdaix> it keeps changing PID so fast I cant get anything with the ps auz

[15-Aug-2011 12:09:30] <Exdaix> aux

[15-Aug-2011 12:09:48] <Exdaix>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached

[15-Aug-2011 12:09:49] <Exdaix> Mem:          2022       1821        201          0        106        382

[15-Aug-2011 12:09:49] <Exdaix> -/+ buffers/cache:       1332        690

[15-Aug-2011 12:09:49] <Exdaix> Swap:         4063        404       3659

[15-Aug-2011 12:10:05] <Hackman238> Exdaix: I'd use top, sort by cpu utilization, type s 0.75 then press c

[15-Aug-2011 12:11:42] <Exdaix> haha it's the FormulaDataSource pack

[15-Aug-2011 12:11:47] <Exdaix> figures

[15-Aug-2011 12:12:20] <Exdaix> I have a simple formula to calculate available memory bytes in Linux

[15-Aug-2011 12:12:20] <Hackman238> Exdaix: Ah yeah that'll eat a ton of CPU

[15-Aug-2011 12:12:37] <Exdaix> ugh wish I knew that before I made my pretty graphs

[15-Aug-2011 12:12:42] <Hackman238> Exdaix: Ryan's working on daemonizing that pack

[15-Aug-2011 12:12:55] <Hackman238> Exdaix: Should be a drop in upgrade

[15-Aug-2011 12:13:04] <Exdaix> Would that make it faster?

[15-Aug-2011 12:14:27] <Exdaix> Or should I just drop the idea of using a Formula for most of my servers

[15-Aug-2011 12:14:40] <Hackman238> Exdaix: What interval is it running?

[15-Aug-2011 12:15:00] <Hackman238> Exdaix: Its a great pack, the next version shuld fix this problem

[15-Aug-2011 12:15:16] <Exdaix> defaults, every 5 min I believe unless you are referring to a different interval

[15-Aug-2011 12:15:58] <Hackman238> Exdaix: How many servers are you using it on?

[15-Aug-2011 12:16:13] <Exdaix> 89 so far

[15-Aug-2011 12:16:15] <Exdaix> lol

[15-Aug-2011 12:16:23] <Exdaix> and potentially a few hundred

[15-Aug-2011 12:16:58] <Exdaix> I could probably cut that in half with some adjustments

[15-Aug-2011 12:18:18] <Hackman238> Exdaix: I'd trim it back for now, the updated pack should be out very soon

[15-Aug-2011 12:18:24] <Exdaix> cool

[15-Aug-2011 12:18:35] <Exdaix> I don't mind waiting if it will be fixed

[15-Aug-2011 12:18:49] <Exdaix> I've still got  a million documentation pages here at work to write

[15-Aug-2011 12:19:18] <Hackman238> Exdaix: Yeah ryans actively developing it. We use it here at Rackspace and rynan uses it for his POB

[15-Aug-2011 12:19:34] <Exdaix> How many servers do you monitor at Rackspace?

[15-Aug-2011 12:19:38] <Exdaix> I would assume a ton..

[15-Aug-2011 12:19:42] <dhopp> Hackman238:  haha..I read that as 'POS'

[15-Aug-2011 12:19:53] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL!

[15-Aug-2011 12:19:53] <dhopp> Exdaix:  just a couple

[15-Aug-2011 12:19:59] <dhopp> 2 or 3

[15-Aug-2011 12:20:01] <dhopp> heh

[15-Aug-2011 12:20:04] <Hackman238> Exdaix: I'm just networking and cloud

[15-Aug-2011 12:20:10] <Hackman238> Exdaix: Plus systems servers

[15-Aug-2011 12:20:26] <kickehy> If I change the zEventAction to 'history' does that log the event but not send notifications?

[15-Aug-2011 12:20:36] <Hackman238> Exdaix: Want to say almost 50K devices

[15-Aug-2011 12:20:52] <Hackman238> Exdaix: About 70% large switches

[15-Aug-2011 12:21:13] <Hackman238> kickehy: I believe so

[15-Aug-2011 12:21:26] <dhopp> kickehy:  that will put the event into history immediately, you will never see unless you explicitly show history

[15-Aug-2011 12:21:31] <hmp> Hackman238: you use collectors i presume?

[15-Aug-2011 12:21:48] <kickehy> Hackman238 dhopp: good ^_^ just wanted to make sure

[15-Aug-2011 12:22:35] <Hackman238> hmp: Yes, 5 at our largest DC, 2 at all the others. We have RAIDed Fusion IO drives so the IO limitation is totally gone

[15-Aug-2011 12:23:08] <hmp> nice

[15-Aug-2011 12:23:26] * fragfutter hanfs Hackman238 the button for "the longest..."

[15-Aug-2011 12:23:30] <Hackman238> hmp: Looking to more than double the amount we monitor post upgrade

[15-Aug-2011 12:23:40] <fragfutter> hands

[15-Aug-2011 12:23:58] <Exdaix> Hackman238: nice

[15-Aug-2011 12:24:00] <Hackman238> fragfutter: I dont understand

[15-Aug-2011 12:24:05] <Exdaix> Hackman238: just a few then

[15-Aug-2011 12:24:36] <fragfutter> Hackman238: bragging rights

[15-Aug-2011 12:25:05] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Oh LOL Not really...we're on version 2.5.2...it can be a nightmare when shit hits the fan

[15-Aug-2011 12:25:27] <fragfutter> Hackman238: well then, size is not everything. technic matters

[15-Aug-2011 12:26:07] <Hackman238> "WARNING ZEO.zrpc (6712) CW: error connecting to ('localhost', 8100): ECONNECTIONREFUSED"....Oh no!!! Update your resumes stat!!

[15-Aug-2011 12:26:37] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Very very true. If your approach is flawed, size doesnt count for anything.

[15-Aug-2011 12:26:56] <fragfutter> Hackman238: yikes

[15-Aug-2011 12:28:00] <Hackman238> fragfutter: I'm j/k, Rackspace is not like that- people amke mistakes, more exception for Zenoss folks too

[15-Aug-2011 12:28:06] <Hackman238> BRB, lunch

[15-Aug-2011 12:28:23] <dhopp> Hackman238:  they let you eat?

[15-Aug-2011 12:29:47] <hmp> dhopp: they get free bananas if I remember correctly

[15-Aug-2011 12:31:25] <kickehy> Hackman238: the reason for my question was because of the /Status/WMI error - http://grab.by/aJiQ - that I get all the time, even though I know it works, randomly on servers

[15-Aug-2011 12:32:04] <kickehy> I was thinking of just changing those notifications to 'history' so they're not so annoying

[15-Aug-2011 12:32:17] <dhopp> hmp: lol

[15-Aug-2011 12:49:07] <Hackman238> dhopp: Yeah, very laid back. We have vendors come here to serve lunch and there's free snacks/drinks always

[15-Aug-2011 12:49:24] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I was joking :-P

[15-Aug-2011 12:49:41] <dhopp> speaking of lunch..I should think about getting some my self

[15-Aug-2011 12:50:11] <Hackman238> dhopp: Oh LOL

[15-Aug-2011 12:50:31] <Hackman238> dhopp: I know some places 'say' you get lunch but stop you from ever doing it by keeping tight deadlines

[15-Aug-2011 12:51:11] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I was just joking since you always seem to be working…then again you did only take 30 minutes :-P

[15-Aug-2011 12:52:14] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL

[15-Aug-2011 12:53:16] <dhopp> Hackman238:  but I know what you mean…I had a task assigned to me at 4 PM on a Thursday with a due date of Friday…I very politely responded with "not going to happen"

[15-Aug-2011 12:54:08] <Hackman238> madness

[15-Aug-2011 12:54:19] <Hackman238> dhopp: rushed work is never good work

[15-Aug-2011 12:54:39] <fragfutter> dhopp: did they specify which friday?

[15-Aug-2011 12:55:09] <dhopp> yes…the due date was the next day

[15-Aug-2011 12:55:32] <dhopp> Hackman238:  especially since they were asking for capacity planning information

[15-Aug-2011 12:55:42] <dhopp> that sort of requires some analysis

[15-Aug-2011 12:56:23] <dhopp> ok..my stomach is starting to get very angry with me

[15-Aug-2011 12:57:46] <Hackman238> dhopp: go eat!

[15-Aug-2011 12:58:01] <Hackman238> dhopp: you dont want to look like me...135lb LOL

[15-Aug-2011 13:06:53] <Hackman238> nyeates: hi nick

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[15-Aug-2011 13:28:15] <nexex> in a counter graph, what is the default 'unit' it is using? I see current:2.56m avg:154.32u max:7.44m -- what do the m and u mean?

[15-Aug-2011 13:28:48] <dpetzel> they are si units

[15-Aug-2011 13:28:48] <dpetzel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units

[15-Aug-2011 13:29:12] <dpetzel> basically it scales the graph to fit your datapoints

[15-Aug-2011 13:29:47] <dpetzel> This chart might be a bette rlink

[15-Aug-2011 13:29:48] <dpetzel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefix#List_of_SI_prefixes

[15-Aug-2011 13:30:38] <nexex> Thanks, I thought that might be it, but I wasn't sure what to search for

[15-Aug-2011 13:31:14] <dpetzel> NP, I always forget to, the only reason I remembered is I had to find this page again last week

[15-Aug-2011 14:36:24] <Ayak973> hello !

[15-Aug-2011 14:36:34] <nyeates> woof!

[15-Aug-2011 15:05:10] <Ayak973> hello, i'm a new user of Zenoss monitoring system, and i want to know if there's somebody here wich can help me a few minutes??

[15-Aug-2011 15:05:24] <Ayak973> it's about heartbeat events

[15-Aug-2011 15:06:07] <Ayak973> i've searched on the forum and googled it, but without any results

[15-Aug-2011 15:07:56] <Hackman238> Ayak973: Whats up?

[15-Aug-2011 15:08:48] <Ayak973> (sry for my bad language, i live in french guyana, so i dont practice english every days)

[15-Aug-2011 15:08:50] <Ayak973> so

[15-Aug-2011 15:09:09] <Ayak973> i've windows client that send snmp traps to my zenoss server

[15-Aug-2011 15:09:50] <Ayak973> whith a custom event classes, i transform it in a heartbeat class

[15-Aug-2011 15:09:57] <Ayak973> the timer works great

[15-Aug-2011 15:10:18] <Hackman238> Ayak973: Ok

[15-Aug-2011 15:10:41] <Ayak973> but i didnt find the way to change the summary and perform some transforms on the printed event (/status/heartbeat)

[15-Aug-2011 15:11:25] <Hackman238> Ayak973: You'll want to add the following to the transform: evt.summary='your text'

[15-Aug-2011 15:11:26] <Ayak973> i've changed the severity whith event classes > heartbeat > properties

[15-Aug-2011 15:11:31] <Ayak973> yes

[15-Aug-2011 15:12:21] <Hackman238> Ayak973: Other attributes of the event can be modifed in this same manner

[15-Aug-2011 15:14:10] <Ayak973> okay, i see, but i didnt find the  classes in /status/heartbeat

[15-Aug-2011 15:15:16] <Ayak973> i need to create an eventclass mapping, or something else in the status heartbeat class?

[15-Aug-2011 15:16:17] <Hackman238> Ayak973: Yes, you'll need to map to that class

[15-Aug-2011 15:17:40] <Ayak973> ok, so i create an eventclassmapping, called "eventModifier", under the class /status/heartbeat

[15-Aug-2011 15:18:18] <Hackman238> Ayak973: It'll be easier if you have an existing event in the event console, select it then click map event.

[15-Aug-2011 15:19:10] <Ayak973> but when i click on map event, it says me that i cant, because the event is not /unknown

[15-Aug-2011 15:19:45] <Ayak973> it's the heartbeat failure event that i want to modify

[15-Aug-2011 15:20:05] <Hackman238> Ayak973: Oh oh I understand

[15-Aug-2011 15:20:20] <Hackman238> Ayak973: Go to the /status/heartbeat event class

[15-Aug-2011 15:20:22] <Ayak973> yay sorry, i didnt provide all information on my case

[15-Aug-2011 15:20:26] <Ayak973> ok

[15-Aug-2011 15:20:34] <Hackman238> pick the gear in the lower left and click transform

[15-Aug-2011 15:20:48] <Ayak973> -_-

[15-Aug-2011 15:20:56] <Ayak973> it was so easy, i didnt see that

[15-Aug-2011 15:20:57] <Hackman238> You can read and write to the evts that end up in there (all heartbeats)

[15-Aug-2011 15:21:11] <Ayak973> yeah !

[15-Aug-2011 15:21:17] <Hackman238> Ayak973: Yeah just put transform in there. Transforms are always python

[15-Aug-2011 15:21:23] <Ayak973> okay

[15-Aug-2011 15:21:34] <Ayak973> thanks a lot !! u're the man

[15-Aug-2011 15:21:35] <Hackman238> Ayak973: Also the evt object is already set to the context of the incoming event

[15-Aug-2011 15:21:39] <Hackman238> Ayak973: NP man

[15-Aug-2011 15:21:45] <Thinh> hihi

[15-Aug-2011 15:21:56] <Thinh> need some help with custom snmp monitoring

[15-Aug-2011 15:22:04] <Hackman238> Thinh: Hi, whats up?

[15-Aug-2011 15:22:29] <Thinh> i made a custom script using pass command in snmp conf, but zenoss wont work with it

[15-Aug-2011 15:22:34] <Thinh> is that common

[15-Aug-2011 15:22:37] <Ayak973> Great, Hackman238: thank you !! Thakns to the Zenoss team too

[15-Aug-2011 15:23:22] <Thinh> this is what i have in snmpd.conf  "pass 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.258.20.1 /usr/local/snmp/bin/eth0_portspeed_monitor.sh"

[15-Aug-2011 15:23:34] <Thinh> i added to zenoss monitoring template and i can walk to it just fine

[15-Aug-2011 15:23:43] <Thinh> but it wont collect data

[15-Aug-2011 15:24:35] <Thinh> output from snmpwalk  is here UCD-SNMP-MIB::ucdavis.258.19.1.0 = INTEGER: 385

[15-Aug-2011 15:30:21] <Hackman238> Ayak973: NP

[15-Aug-2011 15:31:01] <Hackman238> Thinh: Hum. Not sure about that problem, sorry

[15-Aug-2011 15:31:07] <Hackman238> Thinh: More a google question

[15-Aug-2011 15:31:08] <Thinh> ~_~ =0

[15-Aug-2011 15:31:13] <Thinh> kk

[15-Aug-2011 15:31:18] <Hackman238> Thinh: Sorry man

[15-Aug-2011 15:31:31] <Thinh> ok how about a diskspace question

[15-Aug-2011 15:31:40] <hmp> Thinh: im quite rusted with snmpd, but doesnt it pass on 258.20.1 and the oid you are showing is 258.19.1?

[15-Aug-2011 15:31:42] <Thinh> hwo do i get zenoss to monitor an nfs mount?

[15-Aug-2011 15:31:52] <Thinh> hmp, its custom oid

[15-Aug-2011 15:32:16] <Thinh> that return is an example heh

[15-Aug-2011 15:32:44] <Thinh> UCD-SNMP-MIB::ucdavis.258.20.1.0 = INTEGER: 1000

[15-Aug-2011 15:33:08] <hmp> and it doesn't show on the graph or?

[15-Aug-2011 15:33:15] <Thinh> no rrd generated

[15-Aug-2011 15:33:23] <Thinh> so graph wouldnt work

[15-Aug-2011 15:34:11] <psyklone> Thinh - monitoring nfs: docs/DOC-4673

[15-Aug-2011 15:36:44] <hmp> Thinh: don't know why it doesn't work if you put the correct oid in the monitoring template

[15-Aug-2011 15:37:19] <Thinh> im thinking zenoss cant read pass command

[15-Aug-2011 15:37:35] <Thinh> in the past, i had to use exec

[15-Aug-2011 15:38:01] <hmp> zenoss has nothing to do with that, snmpd takes care of passing and returning the oid tree to zenoss

[15-Aug-2011 15:38:09] <hmp> and i'm using pass for some special memory monitoring

[15-Aug-2011 15:38:25] <Thinh> and its working for you?

[15-Aug-2011 15:38:27] <hmp> yup

[15-Aug-2011 15:38:50] <Thinh> because i can walk to it just fine even the test button works

[15-Aug-2011 15:39:07] <Thinh> when you add it to the template, youre using "snmp" type right

[15-Aug-2011 15:39:57] <hmp> yes

[15-Aug-2011 15:40:56] <hmp> when you add an oid there like " 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.258.20.1" and do a "test against device", still doesnt work?

[15-Aug-2011 15:41:02] <Thinh> that works

[15-Aug-2011 15:41:03] <hmp>  1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.258.20.1.0*

[15-Aug-2011 15:41:13] <hmp> hm, did you try to remodel the device?

[15-Aug-2011 15:41:19] <Thinh> yeap

[15-Aug-2011 15:42:05] <bender183> hi guys is there any way to force zenoss to alert on an interface which is oper down and admin up ?

[15-Aug-2011 15:43:07] <Thinh> for nfs monitoring, where is the transform menu in zenoss 3.0?

[15-Aug-2011 15:43:09] <Thinh> heh

[15-Aug-2011 15:43:51] <psyklone> Thinh, in an event class you'll choose 'Transform' from the gear icon in the lower left

[15-Aug-2011 15:43:58] <hmp> Thinh: have you tried creating a graph with that data point?

[15-Aug-2011 15:44:00] <bender183> think i found something

[15-Aug-2011 15:44:02] <bender183> message/44352

[15-Aug-2011 15:44:11] <bender183> ill let you guys know if it works or not

[15-Aug-2011 15:44:19] <Thinh> hmp, yes  ihave the graph

[15-Aug-2011 15:44:25] <hmp> and it's all "nan"?

[15-Aug-2011 15:44:26] <Thinh> it wont show anything because i dont see any rrd generated =)

[15-Aug-2011 15:44:30] <Thinh> of course

[15-Aug-2011 15:44:34] <Thinh> because rrd doesnt exist heheh

[15-Aug-2011 15:44:37] <hmp> hmm, thats really odd

[15-Aug-2011 15:46:33] <Thinh> there should be a log file ic an look at right

[15-Aug-2011 15:46:41] <psyklone> Thinh, if you're not getting any rrd data then run this and see what shows up when it tries collecting that datasource: zenperfsnmp run -v10 -d DEVICEID

[15-Aug-2011 15:47:06] <Thinh> not "any" just that particular oid

[15-Aug-2011 15:47:18] <psyklone> right

[15-Aug-2011 15:48:19] <hmp> Thinh: you have put the .0 at the end?

[15-Aug-2011 15:48:24] <hmp> in your datapoint?

[15-Aug-2011 15:48:42] <Thinh> nope

[15-Aug-2011 15:48:43] <Thinh> let me try that

[15-Aug-2011 15:48:45] <hmp> do that

[15-Aug-2011 15:49:00] <psyklone> ah, yeah ... i bet that does it

[15-Aug-2011 15:50:32] <Thinh> im using opennms here and setting up zenoss in parallel jsut to see

[15-Aug-2011 15:50:39] <Thinh> its been awhile since i use zenoss heh

[15-Aug-2011 15:52:44] <Thinh> i cant test the device when i add the zero

[15-Aug-2011 15:52:48] <Thinh> saying invallid oid

[15-Aug-2011 15:53:21] <hmp> its like this now:  1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.258.20.1.0

[15-Aug-2011 15:53:33] <hmp> ?*

[15-Aug-2011 15:54:23] <Thinh> yea

[15-Aug-2011 15:54:51] <Thinh> UCD-SNMP-MIB::ucdavis.258.19.20.1.0 = No Such Object available on this agent at this OID

[15-Aug-2011 15:55:24] <Thinh> lunch break … bbl

[15-Aug-2011 15:56:24] <hmp> Thinh: you said "pass 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.258.20.1" and here you have a 19 after 258

[15-Aug-2011 16:24:07] <Ayak973> Is there some documentation about the device object?? I would get the device name from the transform input (and not the device.id).

[15-Aug-2011 16:32:38] <nyeates> evt.

[15-Aug-2011 16:32:53] <nyeates> wvt.whatever_field_in_an_event

[15-Aug-2011 16:33:01] <nyeates> w = e

[15-Aug-2011 16:33:41] <Ayak973> okay, so evt.something can contain the device name

[15-Aug-2011 16:34:41] <nyeates> yes, evt.device

[15-Aug-2011 16:34:53] <nyeates> open an event in the event console and look at its detailed contents

[15-Aug-2011 16:35:00] <nyeates> each othe field is named as it can be used

[15-Aug-2011 16:35:15] <Ayak973> okay nice

[15-Aug-2011 16:35:18] <Ayak973> thanks

[15-Aug-2011 16:35:28] <nyeates> np - wish it was easier

[15-Aug-2011 16:39:00] <Ayak973> mmh.. in the event details, i cant see the device, but this is the IP address of my device, not the name shown on the event console (right after severity)

[15-Aug-2011 16:39:28] <Hackman238> Ayak973: try device.title

[15-Aug-2011 16:39:36] <Hackman238> (just a guess)

[15-Aug-2011 16:39:39] <Ayak973> okay

[15-Aug-2011 16:43:29] <Ayak973> that works fine

[15-Aug-2011 16:43:32] <Ayak973> thanks !

[15-Aug-2011 16:43:52] <Hackman238> Ayak973: nice

[15-Aug-2011 16:43:55] <Hackman238> Ayak973: NP

[15-Aug-2011 16:45:03] <Ayak973> just a last question : can i modify a device status (the power green/red icon) from the transform input?? juste like devise.status = true or...

[15-Aug-2011 16:46:45] <Hackman238> Ayak973: No, I dont think so

[15-Aug-2011 16:46:51] <Hackman238> Ayak973: Not 100% on that

[15-Aug-2011 16:47:12] <akSeya> hello folks!!

[15-Aug-2011 16:47:23] <Hackman238> akSeya: Hi there

[15-Aug-2011 16:47:31] <Ayak973> hi

[15-Aug-2011 16:47:34] <Ayak973> okay Hackman238: , thanks a lot, keep searching !!

[15-Aug-2011 16:47:43] <akSeya> is this the right place to ask about winexe ?

[15-Aug-2011 16:48:04] <Ayak973> sry one more time for my bad english, and great thaks to u

[15-Aug-2011 16:49:21] <Hackman238> Ayak973: Its no problem.

[15-Aug-2011 16:49:25] <Hackman238> Ayak973: Anytime

[15-Aug-2011 16:49:38] <akSeya> i got a little problem here, after I run CMD from a windows machine it opens the DOS prompt, but when I press arrow keys and backspace I get C:\Windows\system32>^[[D^[[C^[[A^[[B ^?^

[15-Aug-2011 16:49:56] <Hackman238> akSeya: I dont understand

[15-Aug-2011 16:50:45] <Hackman238> akSeya: Hum. Im not really familliar with winexe.

[15-Aug-2011 16:55:09] <Ayak973> akSeya: wich version of windows do u use??

[15-Aug-2011 16:55:39] <akSeya> windows seven

[15-Aug-2011 16:56:04] <akSeya> i don't know if it's a encoding problem or something like that

[15-Aug-2011 16:56:17] <akSeya> both Windows and Linux are pt_BR

[15-Aug-2011 16:56:21] <Ayak973> oh... i didnt have these problems on my 7

[15-Aug-2011 16:57:47] <akSeya>

[15-Aug-2011 16:58:04] <Ayak973> try to change the keyboard language, but the command prompt should show the last/next command

[15-Aug-2011 16:58:18] <Ayak973> not special chars

[15-Aug-2011 16:59:37] <Ayak973> i cant help u, sorry

[15-Aug-2011 17:02:09] <Hackman238> Have to run. Later all!

[15-Aug-2011 17:03:46] <Ayak973> bye !

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[15-Aug-2011 17:17:48] <Thinh> ok im back

[15-Aug-2011 17:17:51] <Thinh> #monitor time since last puppet run

[15-Aug-2011 17:17:51] <Thinh> pass 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.258.19.1.0 /usr/local/snmp/bin/puppet_timestamp_monitor.sh

[15-Aug-2011 17:18:06] <Thinh> test works

[15-Aug-2011 17:18:07] <Thinh> UCD-SNMP-MIB::ucdavis.258.19.1.0.0 = INTEGER: 816

[15-Aug-2011 17:18:07] <Thinh> DONE in 0 seconds

[15-Aug-2011 17:18:11] <Thinh> still waiting for data though

[15-Aug-2011 17:24:28] <Thinh> damn still nothing

[15-Aug-2011 17:24:29] <Thinh> pooop

[15-Aug-2011 17:47:19] <Ayak973> mmh.. it seems that i've a problem with my heartbeat now... Hackmann help me to add some transforms, but now, for an event with a timer property of 1, the event is shown 1min, but the second minute, it disappear (the counter is not incremented)

[15-Aug-2011 17:47:44] <Ayak973> have somebody an idea please? i've remove all my transform, but without any effects

[15-Aug-2011 17:55:56] <JohnnyNOC> what's wrong with this for zInterfaceMapIgnoreNames - ^(lo|vmnet|sit0)

[15-Aug-2011 17:56:02] <JohnnyNOC> the lo interfaces keep ending up in my dashboard

[15-Aug-2011 17:56:02] <JohnnyNOC> ;/

[15-Aug-2011 17:57:38] <Thinh> hmm

[15-Aug-2011 17:57:43] <Thinh> how do you monitor disk OI

[15-Aug-2011 17:57:53] <Thinh> OI*

[15-Aug-2011 17:57:56] <Thinh> IO*

[15-Aug-2011 18:12:51] <Thinh> anyone ?

[15-Aug-2011 18:12:52] <Thinh> hehe

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[15-Aug-2011 21:19:29] <NetMuse> Does zenoss core come with "Zenoss Service Dynamics"

[15-Aug-2011 21:19:36] <NetMuse> or is that something you have to buy?

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[16-Aug-2011 00:54:27] <Tabmow> Is there any way to limit how many users or how many users per id can login to zenoss at any one time?

[16-Aug-2011 01:35:41] <c00p> Tabmow: only let x amount of people know the password

[16-Aug-2011 01:36:02] <c00p> use IP tables to limit number of port 8080 connection to the server

[16-Aug-2011 06:24:08] <Tabmow> c00p: that isn't really going to help me...

[16-Aug-2011 08:07:42] <BawlzEWon_> Is there is a proper tutorial on setting up Zenoss?

[16-Aug-2011 08:09:00] <BawlzEWon_> What I would like to do is monitor all the devices on our network and be able to see the status of each device, for example hard drive space, services running, and event logs.

[16-Aug-2011 08:09:33] <Simon4> BawlzEWon_: have a look for the Admin Guide on the community site (in the downloads area)

[16-Aug-2011 08:09:36] <Simon4> it's pretty thorough

[16-Aug-2011 08:10:09] <BawlzEWon_> kk

[16-Aug-2011 08:10:20] <BawlzEWon_> Is there software that I need to install at each machine?

[16-Aug-2011 08:10:38] <Simon4> no

[16-Aug-2011 08:10:51] <BawlzEWon_> kk

[16-Aug-2011 08:10:55] <Simon4> it uses SNMP, WMI or can also ssh into machines to gather stats

[16-Aug-2011 08:10:57] <BawlzEWon_> Good deal. Thank you!

[16-Aug-2011 08:11:02] <BawlzEWon_> nice

[16-Aug-2011 08:57:38] <JohnnyNOC> morning

[16-Aug-2011 09:08:14] <kickehy> so i seem to have a weird issue, pretty much every night when I leave I get the error "SNMP agent down", but then the event will clear 5 minutes later. I have yet to get this during the day when I'm here. I read somewhere to change the zMaxOIDPerRequst propterty down to 20, but that didn't help :/ Any ideas I could look into?

[16-Aug-2011 09:10:15] <Sam-I-Am> moo

[16-Aug-2011 09:10:32] <kickehy> i changed that on at Infrastructure --> Details --> Config Properties

[16-Aug-2011 09:10:43] <Sam-I-Am> what kind of snmp device?

[16-Aug-2011 09:10:43] <kickehy> i changed that at*

[16-Aug-2011 09:10:52] <kickehy> just windows boxes

[16-Aug-2011 09:12:56] <Sam-I-Am> so first i would make sure theres no interruption of network between the two... also no firewalls

[16-Aug-2011 09:13:04] <Sam-I-Am> make sure the snmp process isnt dying

[16-Aug-2011 09:13:29] <Sam-I-Am> maybe have something else periodically query it from the zenoss server (like snmpwalk or snmpget) to see if other stuff has the same problem

[16-Aug-2011 09:13:36] <Sam-I-Am> snmp on windows is mediocre at best

[16-Aug-2011 09:22:10] <kickehy> so, basically, I should ignore it

[16-Aug-2011 09:31:40] <Sam-I-Am> kickehy: well, you might miss data points if it disappears for a cycle

[16-Aug-2011 09:31:48] <Sam-I-Am> i'd try to figure out why its disappearing

[16-Aug-2011 09:33:07] <Hackman238> Morning all!

[16-Aug-2011 09:33:42] <Sam-I-Am> moooo

[16-Aug-2011 09:35:38] <Guest94635> morning!

[16-Aug-2011 09:35:39] <Guest94635> http://i.imgur.com/apWDK.jpg

[16-Aug-2011 09:35:56] <Hackman238> Guest94635: I remember you.

[16-Aug-2011 09:35:58] <Guest94635> my doggah. Thanks again for the transform help guys, it's been fucking great!

[16-Aug-2011 09:36:09] <Hackman238> Guest94635: Did you happen to learn that memory trick from a saleman?

[16-Aug-2011 09:36:13] <psyklone> that pic ended up on reddit

[16-Aug-2011 09:36:24] <Hackman238> Guest94635: Glad to hear!

[16-Aug-2011 09:36:24] <Guest94635> yeah, i sent it to klone and he mentioned it

[16-Aug-2011 09:36:38] <psyklone> yeah, that's me (in disguise)

[16-Aug-2011 09:36:40] <psyklone>

[16-Aug-2011 09:36:41] <Guest94635> i didn't realize how viral it went once i posted it

[16-Aug-2011 09:36:48] <Hackman238> Guest94635: LOL

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[16-Aug-2011 09:46:19] <SDuensin> Greetings.

[16-Aug-2011 09:49:39] <Hackman238> SDuensin: Hi!

[16-Aug-2011 09:50:02] <SDuensin> Hey Hackman238

[16-Aug-2011 09:50:08] * SDuensin is still here, just lurking.  :-)

[16-Aug-2011 09:50:55] <Hackman238> *hears Jaws theme*

[16-Aug-2011 09:52:28] <SDuensin> Zenoss is just part of my multi-front attack here at work.  Lately, I've been under the hood of Drupal building things to tie it all together.

[16-Aug-2011 10:19:04] <Hackman238> SDuensin: Always good to have variety

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[16-Aug-2011 12:09:58] <fragfutter> how big is a typical zenoss rrd file?

[16-Aug-2011 12:11:51] <dhopp> fragfutter:  stock settings will give a 35K file…but I've tweaked it so my files are closer to 720K,

[16-Aug-2011 12:23:10] <nyeates> oh geez i got sidetracked dhopp

[16-Aug-2011 12:23:16] <dhopp> nyeates:  no worries

[16-Aug-2011 12:24:19] <dhopp> I guess if my rrd files are 720K, 128K stripe probably is ok…I'm just trying to eek out as much performance as I can :-)

[16-Aug-2011 12:24:33] <fragfutter> you main concern is most likely write performance. Normal ext has 4k blocksize so it will at least update 4k with every datapoint written to rrd. i would assume some changes in the file header also, so two 4k blocks written. you don't want to go to a stripe-size of 4k

[16-Aug-2011 12:25:16] <fragfutter> but you want to give mkfs hints about the stripe size when creating the filesystem

[16-Aug-2011 12:26:06] <dhopp> fragfutter:  yeah I was going to align the filesystem with the stripe size..and I wasn't planning on going to a 4K stripe :-P

[16-Aug-2011 12:27:27] <fragfutter> dhopp: so you could also try to get the complete rrd into one block (which means read it once, change everything and write it out), but with 720k rrds i wouldn't try.

[16-Aug-2011 12:31:34] <nyeates> https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_setup

[16-Aug-2011 12:32:20] <nyeates> look in the Advanced Options section

[16-Aug-2011 12:33:04] <nyeates> Chunk sizes, block sizes, stride,  and stripe-width and file system types,

[16-Aug-2011 12:33:06] <nyeates> all explained

[16-Aug-2011 12:33:37] <nyeates> https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_setup#Calculation

[16-Aug-2011 12:33:48] <nyeates> seems like i used and updated that calculation section a bunch

[16-Aug-2011 12:38:03] <nyeates> dhopp: on the raid, is it *just* rrd files? or the entire OS?

[16-Aug-2011 12:53:57] <nate2> hello

[16-Aug-2011 12:54:28] <nate2> there is a graph I am trying to track down from one of our zenoss instances so that I can find the equivalent in our new instance

[16-Aug-2011 12:54:36] <nate2> is there an easy way to see all cuastom graphs?

[16-Aug-2011 13:11:22] <nate2> ok, I found the data sources for the graphs

[16-Aug-2011 13:11:31] <nate2> now just to figure out how to find the actual graphs

[16-Aug-2011 13:17:48] <rrittenhouse> (warning zenoss newb): I ran an autodiscovery yesterday. Ever since then i've had SNMP agent down erros firing off (with the count increasing). These issues just don't have SNMP - is there a way to tell Zenoss this and to make it stop checking for it?

[16-Aug-2011 13:18:15] <rrittenhouse> nate2: are you talking about rrd graphs in zenoss? (or whatever they use)

[16-Aug-2011 13:19:14] <rrittenhouse> I always thought the graphs of that style were dynamically generated based upon the data you fed it.

[16-Aug-2011 13:26:33] <nate2> hmmm

[16-Aug-2011 13:27:05] <crazed> hmm i'm really having trouble finding info on distributed collectors in 3.1

[16-Aug-2011 13:28:04] <nate2> I think I see a problem

[16-Aug-2011 13:28:14] <nate2> thje psql in this linux box does not appear to be installed

[16-Aug-2011 13:33:50] <rmatte> <--- Zenoss veteran available for questions for a bit...

[16-Aug-2011 13:34:27] <straterra> rmatte: when are you going to make an ESX mib/pack?

[16-Aug-2011 13:34:51] <rmatte> ESX's SNMP support is garbage

[16-Aug-2011 13:34:57] <rmatte> we need to make a pack using the vSphere API

[16-Aug-2011 13:35:03] <rmatte> but it's going to be really time consuming to do

[16-Aug-2011 13:35:10] <rmatte> Egor was talking about possibly taking a stab at one

[16-Aug-2011 13:35:37] <rmatte> crazed: docs/DOC-5861

[16-Aug-2011 13:36:20] <rmatte> nate2 the way graphs work is as follows... there's a template in Zenoss that defines all the attributes of the graph, but the data itself is stored in several RRD files under $ZENHOME/perf.  There is one RRD file per graph point.

[16-Aug-2011 13:36:57] <rmatte> nate2: what graph in particular are you looking for?

[16-Aug-2011 13:37:12] <rmatte> nate2: it's possible that it doesn't even exist in the new instance yet if it's a custom graph

[16-Aug-2011 13:37:20] <straterra> rmatte: I'd be willing to do testing of it and help out

[16-Aug-2011 13:37:31] <nate2> it's a custom graph t

[16-Aug-2011 13:37:33] <rmatte> straterra: I know we'd have an army of testers for it lol

[16-Aug-2011 13:37:52] <rmatte> afk for a sec, grabbing water

[16-Aug-2011 13:39:19] <rmatte> back

[16-Aug-2011 13:39:40] <rmatte> nate2: ok, I guess my main question is do you know that it exists on the new instance for a fact?

[16-Aug-2011 13:39:44] <crazed> rmatte: does that work with 3.1 though?

[16-Aug-2011 13:39:48] <rmatte> like, can you actually see the graph on something?

[16-Aug-2011 13:39:48] <crazed> doesn't say so there

[16-Aug-2011 13:39:58] <nate2> how can I tell?

[16-Aug-2011 13:40:00] <rmatte> crazed: yes, it does work on 3.1, 3.1 is just a bugfix version of 3.0.3

[16-Aug-2011 13:40:01] <nate2> I don't know for sure

[16-Aug-2011 13:40:06] <rmatte> anything that works on 3.0.3 works on 3.1

[16-Aug-2011 13:40:09] <crazed> rmatte: thanks

[16-Aug-2011 13:40:36] <rmatte> nate2: what I'm saying is it probably doesn't exist at all in the new instance if it was made custom in the old one

[16-Aug-2011 13:40:51] <rmatte> nate2: unless you can actually view the graph somewhere in the new instance

[16-Aug-2011 13:41:02] <rmatte> If it doesn't exist, you'll have to create it

[16-Aug-2011 13:41:29] <rmatte> I highly suggest that you read the Zenoss Admin guide top to bottom, it explains everything about templates and a bunch of other stuff

[16-Aug-2011 13:41:50] <rmatte> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/Zenoss_Administration_06-102010-3.0-v03.pdf

[16-Aug-2011 13:42:28] <nate2> the monitoring template exists in the new instance

[16-Aug-2011 13:42:31] <nate2> I can see if

[16-Aug-2011 13:44:10] <nate2> see it

[16-Aug-2011 13:44:24] <rmatte> ok, so then what's the issue?

[16-Aug-2011 13:44:40] <nate2> ok let me see if I can explaini it a bit better:)

[16-Aug-2011 13:44:40] <rmatte> have you actually gone in to the template to see if the graph is there?

[16-Aug-2011 13:44:57] <rmatte> It's possible that it's a standard template that someone has modified

[16-Aug-2011 13:44:57] <nate2> I will call the instances old and new. Old is an amazon ec2 instance. We migrated to a new in-house instance

[16-Aug-2011 13:45:06] <rmatte> k

[16-Aug-2011 13:45:38] <nate2> on the old instance, one of the guys has a few portlets on his dashboard, and in the address, it points to .com, which is instance old

[16-Aug-2011 13:45:53] <nate2> it needs to point to the same graph in .net, which is instance new

[16-Aug-2011 13:46:41] <rmatte> so the graph is being displayed in a portlet

[16-Aug-2011 13:47:18] <nate2> yes

[16-Aug-2011 13:47:33] <rmatte> what is the graph?

[16-Aug-2011 13:47:37] <rmatte> is it a device stat>?

[16-Aug-2011 13:48:01] <nate2> what do you mean?

[16-Aug-2011 13:48:17] <nate2> I think the data points are gauges

[16-Aug-2011 13:48:20] <nate2> and some counters

[16-Aug-2011 13:48:39] <rmatte> no no, I mean what does the data in the graph represent?

[16-Aug-2011 13:48:48] <rmatte> interface traffic, cpu for a device, response time for a website?

[16-Aug-2011 13:49:51] <nate2> they run custom shell scripts, which query a database and return data

[16-Aug-2011 13:50:15] <rmatte> is the new instance an exact copy of the old instance?

[16-Aug-2011 13:50:31] <nate2> should be

[16-Aug-2011 13:50:34] <rrittenhouse> rmatte: I installed Zenoss and had it run an autodiscover on one of my network ranges. After it was done I started to get a ton of "SNMP Agent Down" Event alerts. These devices that its complaining about don't have SNMP - how do I get the alerts to stop?

[16-Aug-2011 13:50:45] <rmatte> nate2: do this... go to the old instance

[16-Aug-2011 13:50:50] <nate2> ok

[16-Aug-2011 13:50:56] <rmatte> and access the properties for that dashboard portlet

[16-Aug-2011 13:51:11] <rmatte> you're probably using the SiteWindowPortlet to display the data

[16-Aug-2011 13:51:22] <rmatte> so when you view the properties for the portlet, you should see a URL there

[16-Aug-2011 13:52:00] <rmatte> if it's an exact copy, you should just have to create a site window portlet on the new instance (if one doesn't already exist for it), copy that URL in to it, and just change the hostname in the URL

[16-Aug-2011 13:52:01] <nate2> yup

[16-Aug-2011 13:52:09] <nate2> ok

[16-Aug-2011 13:52:14] <rmatte> message/45993

[16-Aug-2011 13:52:17] <nate2> I tried that at one point I think

[16-Aug-2011 13:52:20] <nate2> so that should work?

[16-Aug-2011 13:52:22] <rmatte> the second post in that thread by Matt Ray is the method

[16-Aug-2011 13:52:34] <nate2> so, instead of company.name.com:8080

[16-Aug-2011 13:52:36] <rmatte> well it'll work if the graph actually exists in the new instance

[16-Aug-2011 13:52:40] <nate2> I can rename ro company.name.net:8080

[16-Aug-2011 13:52:42] <nate2> and it hould work?

[16-Aug-2011 13:52:43] <rmatte> you should actually be able to view the graph on a device somewhere

[16-Aug-2011 13:52:57] <rmatte> yeh it should

[16-Aug-2011 13:53:09] <nate2> ok thanks

[16-Aug-2011 13:53:10] <nate2> cool

[16-Aug-2011 13:54:05] <nate2> now I just need to work out the issues with the script

[16-Aug-2011 13:54:13] <nate2> but I think this worked. at least I hope!

[16-Aug-2011 13:54:14] <rmatte> what issues?

[16-Aug-2011 13:54:21] <nate2> the graphs aren't populating

[16-Aug-2011 13:54:29] <rmatte> how does the script output the data?

[16-Aug-2011 13:54:42] <nate2> it's because when I try to run the scripts, it is asking for the password for user postgres

[16-Aug-2011 13:54:47] <rmatte> if you run a test on the command datasource that executes the script, what do you get?

[16-Aug-2011 13:54:53] <rmatte> ah

[16-Aug-2011 13:54:56] <nate2> every time

[16-Aug-2011 13:55:04] <rmatte> show me how it prompts for it

[16-Aug-2011 13:55:05] <nate2> when I enter the password, it gives the sdtandard looking output

[16-Aug-2011 13:55:10] <nate2> for example..

[16-Aug-2011 13:55:16] <nate2> I type "./keyCommMinAge.sh"

[16-Aug-2011 13:55:27] <nate2> well, here

[16-Aug-2011 13:55:27] <nate2> ubuntu@monitor:~/libexec$ ./keyCommMinAge.sh

[16-Aug-2011 13:55:27] <nate2> Password for user postgres:

[16-Aug-2011 13:55:41] <nate2> then I input it and it says OK - Key Communication Min Age | KeyCommMinAge=6.51803112805556

[16-Aug-2011 13:55:47] <dhopp> nyeates: sorry ran out to lunch…this particular RAID 10 will only be RRD files

[16-Aug-2011 13:55:49] <nate2> which is the message I should get

[16-Aug-2011 13:55:56] <nate2> on the other machine, it just gives the output

[16-Aug-2011 13:56:00] <nate2> not prompting for password

[16-Aug-2011 13:56:29] <rmatte> what command is the script actually executing that is prompting for the pass?

[16-Aug-2011 13:56:38] <rmatte> I can probably help you fix that in like 2 mins, just need more info

[16-Aug-2011 13:58:13] <rmatte> actually, if you don't mind putting the script code up at fpaste.org that'd be quicker

[16-Aug-2011 13:58:20] <rmatte> that way I can just tell you what lines to change

[16-Aug-2011 13:58:22] <nate2> #!/bin/bash

[16-Aug-2011 13:58:22] <nate2> result=`psql --username=postgres --dbname=<name> --host=<host> --file=/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/li$

[16-Aug-2011 13:58:22] <nate2> logger $0 $result

[16-Aug-2011 13:58:22] <nate2> echo $result

[16-Aug-2011 13:58:44] <rmatte> hmmmm

[16-Aug-2011 13:58:53] <rmatte> can you try something?

[16-Aug-2011 13:58:54] <nate2> code is the same on both machines

[16-Aug-2011 13:58:56] <nate2> ok

[16-Aug-2011 13:59:08] <rmatte> become root, then do "su - postgres"

[16-Aug-2011 13:59:20] <rmatte> if that's a local user on the system it may allow you to enter without a password

[16-Aug-2011 13:59:41] <rmatte> if that works, then try executing the script as that user

[16-Aug-2011 13:59:47] <rmatte> and see if it prompts

[16-Aug-2011 14:00:00] <nate2> hm

[16-Aug-2011 14:00:06] <nate2> as that user, I cannot see anything in ZENHOME

[16-Aug-2011 14:00:15] <nate2> $ZENHOME

[16-Aug-2011 14:00:18] <rmatte> ok...

[16-Aug-2011 14:00:27] <rmatte> just execute the command manually

[16-Aug-2011 14:00:32] <rmatte> the psql one

[16-Aug-2011 14:00:41] <nate2> ok

[16-Aug-2011 14:00:45] <nate2> as postgres?

[16-Aug-2011 14:00:48] <rmatte> yes

[16-Aug-2011 14:00:55] <rmatte> I want to see if it prompts

[16-Aug-2011 14:01:02] <rmatte> if it doesn't then the fix is simple

[16-Aug-2011 14:02:01] <nate2> hrm

[16-Aug-2011 14:02:05] <nate2> how do I force it to accept the line

[16-Aug-2011 14:02:09] <nate2> enter just enters a new line

[16-Aug-2011 14:02:26] <rmatte> you probably have the line badly formatted

[16-Aug-2011 14:02:29] <rmatte> paste what you're trying to use

[16-Aug-2011 14:03:07] <nate2> ok

[16-Aug-2011 14:03:12] <nate2> it prompted for password

[16-Aug-2011 14:03:34] <rmatte> ok, the only solution would be to actually include the password in the script itself, if you're ok with that?

[16-Aug-2011 14:03:50] <nate2> I will check into that real quick

[16-Aug-2011 14:04:59] <rmatte> you can do this...

[16-Aug-2011 14:05:15] <rmatte> echo -e "password\n" | command

[16-Aug-2011 14:05:22] <rmatte> where password is the password and command is the command

[16-Aug-2011 14:05:32] <rmatte> that'll enter it in to the prompt automatically when it's run

[16-Aug-2011 14:05:42] <Thinh> anyone know how i can monitor disk IO

[16-Aug-2011 14:05:54] <rmatte> Thinh: on what type of device?

[16-Aug-2011 14:06:02] <Thinh> linux

[16-Aug-2011 14:06:14] <Thinh> is there template or pack i can download

[16-Aug-2011 14:06:17] <rmatte> doesn't it already do that?

[16-Aug-2011 14:06:24] <rmatte> I know there's a general IO graph

[16-Aug-2011 14:06:33] <rmatte> you want it per filesystem though?

[16-Aug-2011 14:06:37] <Thinh> correct

[16-Aug-2011 14:06:48] <rmatte> give me a second...

[16-Aug-2011 14:06:50] <Thinh> IO doenst tell me much

[16-Aug-2011 14:06:55] <rmatte> I think there's something built in that does that...

[16-Aug-2011 14:07:08] <rmatte> it's just not enabled by default

[16-Aug-2011 14:07:15] <Thinh> im not even sure if IO is system IO or disk IO

[16-Aug-2011 14:07:33] <rmatte> yeh, the method I'll give you monitor IO on the actual physical disks

[16-Aug-2011 14:07:41] <rmatte> since monitoring it per filesystem isn't technically possible

[16-Aug-2011 14:07:52] <rmatte> I'm just testing it really quick to make sure it still works

[16-Aug-2011 14:08:06] <Thinh> cool

[16-Aug-2011 14:08:08] <Simon4> ucdharddiskmap modeller plugin

[16-Aug-2011 14:08:15] <rmatte> Simon4: exactly what I'm testing

[16-Aug-2011 14:08:15] <Simon4> gets the disk IO

[16-Aug-2011 14:08:25] <Thinh> i enabled that plugin but i dont see any graphs

[16-Aug-2011 14:08:27] <Simon4> it still worked as of yesterday

[16-Aug-2011 14:08:30] <Thinh> it shows the disk being monitor enable

[16-Aug-2011 14:08:34] <Simon4> Thinh: you'll need to remodel the device

[16-Aug-2011 14:08:37] <rmatte> Thinh: did you remodel?

[16-Aug-2011 14:08:49] <Thinh> yea let me check again

[16-Aug-2011 14:08:59] <rmatte> the graphs won't show up on the filesystems either, you'll have a new components sections called HardDisk or something

[16-Aug-2011 14:09:08] <rmatte> and it'll show the actual physical disks

[16-Aug-2011 14:09:14] <rmatte> you can then click on that to view the graphs

[16-Aug-2011 14:09:37] <Thinh> yea i have hardisk under components and i see sda1 2 3

[16-Aug-2011 14:09:47] <Thinh> i selected graphs is its blank

[16-Aug-2011 14:09:58] <Thinh> how are these being monitor ? snmp or command based

[16-Aug-2011 14:10:04] <Simon4> snmp

[16-Aug-2011 14:10:07] <rmatte> yeh hold on... the template might need to be copies to the class or something

[16-Aug-2011 14:10:11] <rmatte> I get the same thing, looking in to it

[16-Aug-2011 14:10:17] <rmatte> copied*

[16-Aug-2011 14:10:52] <rmatte> copy the HardDisk template from /Server/Windows to /Server/Linux

[16-Aug-2011 14:11:27] <rmatte> I don't know why it's under /Server/Windows... it may be specific to the windows SNMP agent... but we'll see

[16-Aug-2011 14:12:40] <rmatte> hmmm, probably a different OID for Linux, if you copy that template over then we can figure out what OID we need for Linux and just modify the template

[16-Aug-2011 14:13:24] <rmatte> 2011-08-16 14:13:14,592 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error reading value for "sda1" on gen01.novanoc.com (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.1.1.18.20 is bad)

[16-Aug-2011 14:13:29] <Thinh> heh

[16-Aug-2011 14:14:36] <Simon4> rmatte: I have them in a template here if it helps?

[16-Aug-2011 14:15:06] <rmatte> yeh, go for it

[16-Aug-2011 14:15:07] <rmatte> lol

[16-Aug-2011 14:15:29] <Thinh> how do you copy the template over to linux

[16-Aug-2011 14:15:38] <Simon4> https://skitch.com/simon-h/fxu9b/zenoss-harddisk

[16-Aug-2011 14:15:54] * Simon4 has to run, but they are the values you're after

[16-Aug-2011 14:16:17] <Thinh> heh 2.5 menu i remembered that

[16-Aug-2011 14:16:24] <Thinh> lil lost in 3.0

[16-Aug-2011 14:18:02] <rmatte> Thinh: ok, so yeh, you just need to copy the HardDisk template from /Server/Windows to /Server/Linux and then use the OIDs that he pasted in the template instead

[16-Aug-2011 14:18:14] <rmatte> and that should do the trick

[16-Aug-2011 14:20:07] <Thinh> how do you copy from /server/windows to /server/linux

[16-Aug-2011 14:20:07] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte

[16-Aug-2011 14:20:12] <rmatte> DiskIONRead 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.15.1.1.12

[16-Aug-2011 14:20:12] <rmatte> DiskIONWritten 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.15.1.1.13

[16-Aug-2011 14:20:12] <rmatte> DiskIOReads 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.15.1.1.5

[16-Aug-2011 14:20:13] <rmatte> DiskIOWrites 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.15.1.1.6

[16-Aug-2011 14:20:20] <JohnnyNOC> i'm wondering the same thing - how to copy/move device classes

[16-Aug-2011 14:20:39] <JohnnyNOC> i use bigegor's wmiperf stuff and he puts it all under /Devices/CIM when I'd prefer it to be in /Devices/Server/Windows

[16-Aug-2011 14:20:40] <JohnnyNOC>

[16-Aug-2011 14:20:52] <JohnnyNOC> in 3.1.0 it won't let me drag it over

[16-Aug-2011 14:20:59] <rmatte> well first off you were never able to copy device classes unless you actually went in to the zope management interface and did it in there

[16-Aug-2011 14:21:11] <rmatte> but you can move them simply by dragging them

[16-Aug-2011 14:21:37] <JohnnyNOC> i get the red circle with a slash in it

[16-Aug-2011 14:21:48] <rmatte> one sec, let me poke

[16-Aug-2011 14:21:49] <JohnnyNOC> guess i'll try it in zope, after i make a backup

[16-Aug-2011 14:21:49] <Thinh> are you on 2.5 matte?

[16-Aug-2011 14:21:56] <rmatte> I haven't used 3.1 much but I do recall being able to do it

[16-Aug-2011 14:22:06] <rmatte> Thinh: yes, for my production stuff, and 3.1 in testing

[16-Aug-2011 14:22:18] <Thinh> cuz 3.0 suckballs imo

[16-Aug-2011 14:22:21] <rmatte> but I'm very familliar with the 3.1 interface since I did a lot of beta testing for 3.x

[16-Aug-2011 14:22:40] <rmatte> I don't mind 3.1 personally, it's just in early stages, there are still a lot of fixes that need to be made

[16-Aug-2011 14:22:44] <rmatte> 3.2 should improve it by a lot

[16-Aug-2011 14:24:03] <JohnnyNOC> you know, it sucks, but i don't have a lot of faith i'll be able to upgrade

[16-Aug-2011 14:24:11] <Thinh> ^

[16-Aug-2011 14:24:13] <JohnnyNOC> i just feel that upgrade/backup/restore is broke in my brief expierence

[16-Aug-2011 14:24:48] <rmatte> I've successfully done an upgrade from 2.5 to 3.x in the past

[16-Aug-2011 14:24:54] <rmatte> just as a test

[16-Aug-2011 14:24:59] <JohnnyNOC> i've unsuccessfully restored a backup on 2.5.2

[16-Aug-2011 14:25:03] <rmatte> lol

[16-Aug-2011 14:25:30] <JohnnyNOC> i'll try and be optimistic

[16-Aug-2011 14:25:36] <JohnnyNOC> (not my strong suit)

[16-Aug-2011 14:25:50] <rmatte> hmmm, you might be right about moving the classes...

[16-Aug-2011 14:26:02] <Thinh> yea anything out of the box you cant move

[16-Aug-2011 14:26:15] <Thinh> you probably ahve to make a new template

[16-Aug-2011 14:26:17] <Thinh> lame =0

[16-Aug-2011 14:26:32] <Thinh> or have someone make a zenpack for you lol

[16-Aug-2011 14:26:37] <rmatte> no no, you can copy templates just fine

[16-Aug-2011 14:26:44] <rmatte> you just can't move actual classes from the looks of it

[16-Aug-2011 14:27:05] <rmatte> though you can probably do it in ZMI

[16-Aug-2011 14:27:27] <Thinh> so how do this

[16-Aug-2011 14:27:31] <Thinh> how do i do this

[16-Aug-2011 14:27:42] <rmatte> how do you copy the template you mean?

[16-Aug-2011 14:27:52] <Thinh> yea

[16-Aug-2011 14:27:55] <rmatte> well first off, are you using Zenoss 3.1?

[16-Aug-2011 14:27:59] <rmatte> or some older 3.x vesion?

[16-Aug-2011 14:27:59] <Thinh> yes

[16-Aug-2011 14:28:02] <rmatte> ok

[16-Aug-2011 14:28:07] <rmatte> go to Advanced

[16-Aug-2011 14:28:15] <rmatte> Monitoring Templates

[16-Aug-2011 14:28:32] <rmatte> click on the "Device Class" button at the bottom, makes it easier to navigate

[16-Aug-2011 14:28:44] <rmatte> go to Server -> Windows

[16-Aug-2011 14:28:50] <rmatte> click on the HardDisk template

[16-Aug-2011 14:29:05] <rmatte> then click on the gear menu in the bottom left

[16-Aug-2011 14:29:16] <rmatte> select "Override Template"

[16-Aug-2011 14:29:27] <rmatte> (they used the term Override instead of Copy for lord knows what reason)

[16-Aug-2011 14:29:34] <Thinh> haha

[16-Aug-2011 14:29:36] <Thinh> k

[16-Aug-2011 14:29:39] <rmatte> then select the target class that you want to move it to

[16-Aug-2011 14:29:40] <JohnnyNOC> they are ESL

[16-Aug-2011 14:29:47] <JohnnyNOC> english as a second language

[16-Aug-2011 14:29:51] <rmatte> and then click submit and you're done

[16-Aug-2011 14:29:55] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: lol

[16-Aug-2011 14:30:30] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte in the case of say, the WMIPerf zenpack, is copying the templates going to be enough?

[16-Aug-2011 14:30:30] <rmatte> then you can navigate to Server -> Linux on the same screen

[16-Aug-2011 14:30:30] <rmatte> and you'll see the template

[16-Aug-2011 14:30:30] <rmatte> you can then edit it

[16-Aug-2011 14:30:37] <JohnnyNOC> i'm wondering how the modeler plugins may be affected for example

[16-Aug-2011 14:30:46] <JohnnyNOC> but i'm still a noob so hit me with the cluebat if need be

[16-Aug-2011 14:31:00] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: I never copy them, I always just use the CIM/WMI class, but yes in theory it should be, provided you re-define the collector plugins as well

[16-Aug-2011 14:31:32] <rmatte> you obviously need the modeler plugins and the templates for it to work properly

[16-Aug-2011 14:31:37] <JohnnyNOC> can you explain how that's it down in < 255 chars

[16-Aug-2011 14:31:42] <JohnnyNOC> tweet me

[16-Aug-2011 14:31:48] <JohnnyNOC> her, how that's done

[16-Aug-2011 14:32:00] <JohnnyNOC> 're-define collector plugins'

[16-Aug-2011 14:32:55] <rmatte> I just mean if you want to use a class other than /CIM/WMI, you need to do Infrastructure -> CIM -> WMI -> Details -> Modeler Plugins and take note of what's defined

[16-Aug-2011 14:33:03] <rmatte> you then need to duplicate that in the new class

[16-Aug-2011 14:33:37] <rmatte> and then copy any templates in CIM -> WMI over as well using the override function

[16-Aug-2011 14:34:08] <rmatte> one thing that I hate about override is that you can't copy multiple templates at once

[16-Aug-2011 14:34:11] <rmatte> which is just retarded

[16-Aug-2011 14:34:29] <rmatte> If you have 7 templates to copy you need to perform the same action 7 times

[16-Aug-2011 14:34:38] <rmatte> I'm not a fan of rinse and repeat type UI functions

[16-Aug-2011 14:36:23] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*

[16-Aug-2011 14:36:38] <JohnnyNOC> could you feasibly do this on the command line if you knew how of course?

[16-Aug-2011 14:36:54] <rmatte> yeh, you could, you could also just do it in ZMI

[16-Aug-2011 14:37:03] <rmatte> but I shouldn't have to go in to ZMI every time I want to copy something

[16-Aug-2011 14:37:45] <rmatte> not being able to move classes is just stupid... I'm amazed that's been overlooked for so long too lol

[16-Aug-2011 14:38:20] <JohnnyNOC> hrm

[16-Aug-2011 14:38:24] <JohnnyNOC> not a huge deal fortunately

[16-Aug-2011 14:38:26] <JohnnyNOC> just being anal

[16-Aug-2011 14:38:27] <JohnnyNOC>

[16-Aug-2011 14:38:28] <dpetzel> anyone built rrdtemplate via dmd before?

[16-Aug-2011 14:38:43] <rmatte> dpetzel: why would you want to?

[16-Aug-2011 14:39:12] <rmatte> I've done some work with templates via dmd a while back, but it was in relation to a datasource that I was creating

[16-Aug-2011 14:39:40] <dpetzel> rmatte: long story :(, but basically I need to create hundreds of templates 1 per application

[16-Aug-2011 14:39:45] <dpetzel> and each is basically the same

[16-Aug-2011 14:40:00] <rmatte> dpetzel: ummm, why would you have to do that?

[16-Aug-2011 14:40:21] <dpetzel> every application runs on unquie ports

[16-Aug-2011 14:40:35] <dpetzel> ie 400ish distinct apps

[16-Aug-2011 14:40:42] <rmatte> and what are you doing in the template?

[16-Aug-2011 14:40:50] <JohnnyNOC> something secret

[16-Aug-2011 14:40:52] <dpetzel> grabbing some JMX mbeans and graphing them

[16-Aug-2011 14:40:57] <rmatte> depending on what you're doing, I probably have a better solution for you

[16-Aug-2011 14:40:59] <JohnnyNOC> making monies

[16-Aug-2011 14:41:02] <dpetzel> im all ears

[16-Aug-2011 14:41:41] <rmatte> first off, do the ports for these applications show up in ip services in Zenoss?

[16-Aug-2011 14:41:57] <dpetzel> they do not, but I could certainly add them programatically

[16-Aug-2011 14:42:16] <rmatte> right ok, give me a second...

[16-Aug-2011 14:42:27] <dpetzel> one more twist though

[16-Aug-2011 14:42:35] <dpetzel> the mbeans are NOT all the same from app to app

[16-Aug-2011 14:42:44] <dpetzel> IE Tomcat Vs Glassfish require different mbeans

[16-Aug-2011 14:42:50] <dpetzel> and we have a in house servlet container as well

[16-Aug-2011 14:42:57] <dpetzel> so I have to have a "starting point"

[16-Aug-2011 14:43:07] <dpetzel> and then additional data sources get added based on container type

[16-Aug-2011 14:43:21] <rmatte> hmmm

[16-Aug-2011 14:43:30] <dpetzel> so my plan of attack ATM

[16-Aug-2011 14:43:38] <dpetzel> is a base class - add a,b,c

[16-Aug-2011 14:43:45] <dpetzel> then case1 extends base, adds the couple extra

[16-Aug-2011 14:43:49] <dpetzel> etc

[16-Aug-2011 14:44:03] <rmatte> my suggestion was going to be editing the IpService template and adding to it

[16-Aug-2011 14:44:07] <dpetzel> initially I had tried creating a "template template" and copy/pasting via API, but that bew

[16-Aug-2011 14:44:16] <dpetzel> blew*

[16-Aug-2011 14:44:17] <rmatte> and using ${here/port} to dynamically use the correct port

[16-Aug-2011 14:44:40] <rmatte> but if there are all those other factors then you're probably stuck doing it the way that you're describing

[16-Aug-2011 14:45:06] <rmatte> unless there's some way for you to dynamically detect the application type with a test connection in your script before doing anything

[16-Aug-2011 14:45:10] <dpetzel> yeah I had some pipe dreams of extending ipservice for each app server type, but I aint quite that skilled yet

[16-Aug-2011 14:45:27] <dpetzel> I could probably detect by the presence of an mbean potentially

[16-Aug-2011 14:45:48] <rmatte> might be worth looking in to, it's always better to do stuff all in one spot than to have stuff laying all over the place

[16-Aug-2011 14:45:52] <rmatte> it becomes unmanageable

[16-Aug-2011 14:46:13] <dpetzel> yeah, I have some grandeious dreams, once I get a little better at this stuff

[16-Aug-2011 14:46:19] <rmatte> hmmm, wasps keep getting in to my office and I've no idea how... they are the size of small cats too

[16-Aug-2011 14:46:21] <Hackman238> Ugh....long day

[16-Aug-2011 14:46:38] <rmatte> Hackman238: busy eh?

[16-Aug-2011 14:46:50] <dpetzel> so the issue I have with the DMD approach is im running it via an external script (that part works fine). I create the rrdtempate just fine

[16-Aug-2011 14:46:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: Nein. Been passenger on the rage train figuring issues.

[16-Aug-2011 14:46:57] <dpetzel> but when I add the data sources I get

[16-Aug-2011 14:47:04] <dpetzel>   File "/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/RRDTemplate.py", line 478, in getDataSourceInstance

[16-Aug-2011 14:47:04] <dpetzel>     for c in self.getDataSourceClasses():

[16-Aug-2011 14:47:04] <dpetzel>   File "/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/RRDTemplate.py", line 457, in getDataSourceClasses

[16-Aug-2011 14:47:04] <dpetzel>     for zp in self.dmd.ZenPackManager.packs():

[16-Aug-2011 14:47:04] <dpetzel> AttributeError: dmd

[16-Aug-2011 14:47:10] <dpetzel> but if I run the script a second time

[16-Aug-2011 14:47:13] <dpetzel> it works fine

[16-Aug-2011 14:47:26] <rmatte> can I see the code for the script?

[16-Aug-2011 14:47:28] <rmatte> fpaste.org

[16-Aug-2011 14:47:28] <Thinh> how come jmx monitoring doesnt work out of the box?

[16-Aug-2011 14:47:29] <dpetzel> its only the execution the first time that results in the exception, and I'm baffled by the dmd attirbute

[16-Aug-2011 14:47:32] <Thinh> missing something?

[16-Aug-2011 14:47:52] <rmatte> Thinh: that jmx pack has lots of bugs in it from what I've seen in here

[16-Aug-2011 14:48:17] <dpetzel> rmatte: its pretty large, but Ill shoot you the revelant section

[16-Aug-2011 14:48:33] <zykes-> rmatte: is there any plans to support openstack more then the current state ?

[16-Aug-2011 14:48:40] <dpetzel> rmatte: http://fpaste.org/XJpm/

[16-Aug-2011 14:48:43] <rmatte> dpetzel: I'd rather see the whole thing since code higher up can have an effect

[16-Aug-2011 14:48:50] <Hackman238> zykes-: An openstack pack is in development

[16-Aug-2011 14:48:53] <dpetzel> OK ill paste whoel thing standby

[16-Aug-2011 14:49:10] <zykes-> Hackman238: by zenoss as a enterprise one or ?

[16-Aug-2011 14:49:25] <dpetzel> rmatte: http://fpaste.org/F0FO/

[16-Aug-2011 14:49:34] <bigegor> hi all

[16-Aug-2011 14:49:45] <Hackman238> zykes-: I dont know if its ent or not. Its on a public repo though...

[16-Aug-2011 14:50:00] <Hackman238> bigegor: Hey, how goes it?

[16-Aug-2011 14:50:10] <dpetzel> the end goal is when a new applicaiton enters the environment, I run a single script that adds the OSProcess, IPService (if applies), rrdTemplate, etc

[16-Aug-2011 14:50:16] <rmatte> dpetzel: the full traceback would be helpful too

[16-Aug-2011 14:50:54] <dpetzel> rmatte: logoutput and traceback

[16-Aug-2011 14:50:54] <dpetzel> http://fpaste.org/k9PM/

[16-Aug-2011 14:51:24] <Hackman238> zykes-: I'll find out for you

[16-Aug-2011 14:52:02] <bigegor> today i've checked which reporting tools for existing for python

[16-Aug-2011 14:52:14] <zykes-> danke Hackman238

[16-Aug-2011 14:52:26] <zykes-> is there any status on maybe porting the MQ support to core?

[16-Aug-2011 14:53:29] <bigegor> if somebody has worked with sphinx?  ( http://sphinx.pocoo.org/ )

[16-Aug-2011 14:53:34] <rmatte> dpetzel: this isn't necessarily the cause of the issue, but I'd discourage you from re-using variables like this...

[16-Aug-2011 14:53:36] <JohnnyNOC> bigegor howdy!

[16-Aug-2011 14:53:42] <bigegor> hi

[16-Aug-2011 14:53:47] <rmatte> for ds, specs in self.template_data_sources.items():

[16-Aug-2011 14:53:55] <rmatte> ds_name = " ".join([self.app_name, ds])

[16-Aug-2011 14:53:56] <rmatte> ds = template.manage_addRRDDataSource(ds_name, specs['type'])

[16-Aug-2011 14:54:12] <dpetzel> I didnt event noticed that... not intentional...

[16-Aug-2011 14:54:28] <rmatte> I've seen stuff like that cause all sorts of fun

[16-Aug-2011 14:54:33] <dpetzel> lemme fix that quick

[16-Aug-2011 14:54:38] * rmatte nods

[16-Aug-2011 14:54:48] <rmatte> that probably isn't the actual issue though, just something I noticed

[16-Aug-2011 14:55:40] <dpetzel> yeah didnt solve it, but spot on it was bad

[16-Aug-2011 14:55:50] <dpetzel> that will teach me to write anything before coffee.... lol

[16-Aug-2011 14:55:54] <rmatte> hehe

[16-Aug-2011 14:55:55] <Hackman238> bigegor: Did look at jasper?

[16-Aug-2011 14:56:02] <Hackman238> bigegor: Any good finds?

[16-Aug-2011 14:56:19] <bigegor> yes. But jusper is java based

[16-Aug-2011 14:56:25] <dpetzel> its baffeling (to me at least) that upon execution #2 of the script it goes

[16-Aug-2011 14:56:55] <Hackman238> bigegor: Oh- never really used it

[16-Aug-2011 14:57:21] <JohnnyNOC> hey questino about best practices

[16-Aug-2011 14:57:31] <rmatte> dpetzel: you say it runs without an error the second time... have you checked to see if it actually adds the datasource or not the first time despite the error?

[16-Aug-2011 14:57:34] <bigegor> sphinx python based and used wiki like syntax (reStructuredText)

[16-Aug-2011 14:57:41] <JohnnyNOC> if i have devices that require additional templates, is there something better than creating a sub-device class and attaching that template?

[16-Aug-2011 14:57:49] <dpetzel> I did check, it create the tempalte, but no data sources

[16-Aug-2011 14:57:54] <rmatte> dpetzel: also, does it alternate between erroring and working each time you run it without doing anything else?

[16-Aug-2011 14:58:02] <Hackman238> bigegor: Thats interesting.

[16-Aug-2011 14:58:18] <dpetzel> rmatte:  no alternating, #1 - Failure #2 - infinity = works

[16-Aug-2011 14:58:32] <rmatte> nexex: run 1: works, run 2: fail, run 3: works, run 4: fails and so on

[16-Aug-2011 14:58:36] <rmatte> ah ok

[16-Aug-2011 14:58:47] <bigegor> here some examples: http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/sampledoc/extensions.html

[16-Aug-2011 14:58:53] <rmatte> the infinity works part is because it detects the existence of the datasource already I assume?

[16-Aug-2011 14:59:04] <dpetzel> I think so

[16-Aug-2011 14:59:49] <dpetzel> its as if something isnt getting saved (despite calling commit)

[16-Aug-2011 15:00:01] <dpetzel> but I dunno. Im stumped

[16-Aug-2011 15:00:09] <Hackman238> bigegor: Wow- thats pretty nice

[16-Aug-2011 15:00:16] <rmatte> I wonder if that for loop is catching blank data initially or something

[16-Aug-2011 15:00:37] <rmatte> maybe you should add some validation in there

[16-Aug-2011 15:00:39] <rmatte> like...

[16-Aug-2011 15:00:40] <zykes-> Hackman238: do you know ?

[16-Aug-2011 15:00:41] <dpetzel> yeah that is what it feels like for sure

[16-Aug-2011 15:00:43] <rmatte> if self.app_name and ds:

[16-Aug-2011 15:01:06] <Hackman238> zykes-: Both are core/ent

[16-Aug-2011 15:01:24] <zykes-> both what ?

[16-Aug-2011 15:01:27] <rmatte> dpetzel: it would be helpful to add more debug output in there to see what values it's actually getting/passing

[16-Aug-2011 15:01:40] <Hackman238> zykes-: cloud foundry and openstack packs

[16-Aug-2011 15:01:41] <zykes-> last time i checked the amqp stuff is only ent..

[16-Aug-2011 15:01:44] <zykes-> ah, ok

[16-Aug-2011 15:01:51] <rmatte> dpetzel: the issue is definitely around line 92

[16-Aug-2011 15:01:59] <Hackman238> zykes-: pm me your email and I'll send links in a bit

[16-Aug-2011 15:02:13] <dpetzel> rmatte: agreed, I was in the process of adding some systematically

[16-Aug-2011 15:03:09] <rmatte> dpetzel: it'd be nice to see what self.app_name, ds, ds_name, specs['type'] get set to

[16-Aug-2011 15:03:16] <rmatte> right before it crashes

[16-Aug-2011 15:03:24] <dpetzel> yeah, thats what Im adding right now

[16-Aug-2011 15:03:27] <rmatte> cool

[16-Aug-2011 15:04:37] <rmatte> my typo nazi is taking over and wishes to inform you that you mistyped the word "used" in the comment at the top of the script

[16-Aug-2011 15:06:50] <rmatte> I might get pulled away at some point... we have cisco here today auditing us so that we can be certified as a "Cisco Powered MSP"

[16-Aug-2011 15:06:57] <rmatte> and I have to show them the monitoring tools at some point

[16-Aug-2011 15:08:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ask them to walk softly when entering the room where you want to demo zenoss

[16-Aug-2011 15:08:18] <Hackman238> rmatte: Sort of like the early days of CD burning- you dont want it to fail

[16-Aug-2011 15:08:23] <rmatte> lol

[16-Aug-2011 15:08:30] <Hackman238> I'm J/K

[16-Aug-2011 15:08:37] <rmatte> our Zenoss systems are pretty stable

[16-Aug-2011 15:08:50] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ours too- I just couldnt help.

[16-Aug-2011 15:08:56] <rmatte> there's a daemon that I wrote which very occasionally crashes, I know how to fix it, just haven't had time

[16-Aug-2011 15:09:11] <rmatte> I need to completely rewrite that daemon at some point

[16-Aug-2011 15:09:11] <dpetzel> rmatte: DEBUG:__main__:<RRDTemplate at MyTestApp>

[16-Aug-2011 15:09:11] <dpetzel> DEBUG:__main__:MyTestApp

[16-Aug-2011 15:09:11] <dpetzel> DEBUG:__main__:Thread Count

[16-Aug-2011 15:09:11] <dpetzel> DEBUG:__main__:MyTestApp Thread Count

[16-Aug-2011 15:09:11] <dpetzel> DEBUG:__main__:JMXDataSource.JMX

[16-Aug-2011 15:09:11] <Hackman238> rmatte: formula pack on track?

[16-Aug-2011 15:09:52] <rmatte> so those are the values of those variables when it crashes?

[16-Aug-2011 15:10:04] <dpetzel> rmatte: yeah

[16-Aug-2011 15:10:10] <rmatte> what about when it doesn't crash?

[16-Aug-2011 15:10:12] <rmatte> are they the same?

[16-Aug-2011 15:11:03] <dpetzel> rmatte: roger that. Same

[16-Aug-2011 15:11:27] <rmatte> which is which?

[16-Aug-2011 15:11:42] <dpetzel> the variable values are the same on crash run and non crash run

[16-Aug-2011 15:11:47] <rmatte> what value corresponds to what variable?

[16-Aug-2011 15:12:04] <dpetzel> rmatte: sorry,             log.debug(template)

[16-Aug-2011 15:12:05] <dpetzel>             log.debug(self.app_name)

[16-Aug-2011 15:12:05] <dpetzel>             log.debug(data_source)

[16-Aug-2011 15:12:05] <dpetzel>             log.debug(ds_name)

[16-Aug-2011 15:12:05] <dpetzel>             log.debug(specs['type'])

[16-Aug-2011 15:12:14] <rmatte> k

[16-Aug-2011 15:15:45] <dpetzel> I think it is somehow tied to the way I am instaiating RRDTemplate()

[16-Aug-2011 15:16:14] <rmatte> it certainly looks that way

[16-Aug-2011 15:16:55] <dpetzel> alsmost as if the context which it returns it when I find it, is different than when I create it

[16-Aug-2011 15:18:07] <rmatte> maybe you should just do "import RRDTemplate"

[16-Aug-2011 15:19:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: Did you get a chance to daemonize the formula pack by chance?

[16-Aug-2011 15:19:26] <rmatte> I think this is the line that you're actually tripping up on: template = RRDTemplate(self.app_name)

[16-Aug-2011 15:19:35] <dpetzel> rmatte: that import fails, because I assume of the relative location

[16-Aug-2011 15:19:42] <dpetzel> rmatte:  agreed, that is the line effing me

[16-Aug-2011 15:19:50] <rmatte> I have to go do this cisco thing

[16-Aug-2011 15:19:53] <rmatte> be back in a bit

[16-Aug-2011 15:21:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: Have fun

[16-Aug-2011 15:21:21] <Hackman238> LOl

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[17-Aug-2011 03:35:13] <c00p> Tabmow: sorry I can't scroll back far enough to see what I said ... :\

[17-Aug-2011 04:28:40] <Bart> stupid question, how do i copy templates to another class in zenoss v3? I'm still a bit lost in the "new" gui

[17-Aug-2011 04:33:47] <Bart> nvm, found it.. the override button

[17-Aug-2011 08:57:21] <JohnnyNOC> good morning

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[17-Aug-2011 09:41:31] <SDuensin> Morning.

[17-Aug-2011 10:34:37] <jmp242> still morning

[17-Aug-2011 10:35:37] <Hackman238> Morning all!

[17-Aug-2011 10:37:58] <dhopp> Hackman238:  Morning

[17-Aug-2011 10:53:15] <enkrypt> I've got a problem with HttpMonitor. does anyone know what the syntax for the Regular Expression field should be? I just want to match on a simple string ("The server is up and running") but it doesn't work.

[17-Aug-2011 10:57:44] <dpetzel> enkrypt: should be standard python syntax: http://docs.python.org/library/re.html

[17-Aug-2011 10:57:48] <dpetzel> what issue are you having?

[17-Aug-2011 10:58:15] <enkrypt> ah no I think I've got it. I didn't put any quotes around my string

[17-Aug-2011 10:58:38] <enkrypt> I tested it by changing running to "swimming" for example, and it didnt trigger any event

[17-Aug-2011 10:58:51] <enkrypt> but now that I put double quotes around the whole string, it works as expected

[17-Aug-2011 10:58:57] <enkrypt> alternatively you can escape the spaces

[17-Aug-2011 11:00:50] <enkrypt> one thing that is a bit unfortunate is that the Severity setting doesn't seem to be respected: it becomes a Critical (red warning sign) event, no matter what I configure it to be

[17-Aug-2011 11:11:03] <rmatte> good day all

[17-Aug-2011 11:12:07] <rmatte> enkrypt: If you're generating the event from a script, the severity coincides with the exit code

[17-Aug-2011 11:12:22] <rmatte> not with the severity configured on the command datasource

[17-Aug-2011 11:12:33] <rmatte> well, it's technically a combination of the two

[17-Aug-2011 11:20:11] <rmatte> good day Matt

[17-Aug-2011 11:20:18] <mattray> good morning

[17-Aug-2011 11:20:36] <Hackman238> rmatte / mattray: How goes it?

[17-Aug-2011 11:22:07] <rmatte> good good

[17-Aug-2011 11:22:18] <rmatte> yourself?

[17-Aug-2011 11:22:43] <Hackman238> rmatte: Pretty good.

[17-Aug-2011 11:23:04] <Hackman238> rmatte: Do you use threshold traps for your SLA's?

[17-Aug-2011 11:23:51] <Hackman238> rmatte: I've had a req to add it to the next release of the SLA pack- need more testers that do threshold traps

[17-Aug-2011 11:23:54] <mattray> everything's good in the world of Chef

[17-Aug-2011 11:24:02] <Hackman238> mattray: Very cool.

[17-Aug-2011 11:24:23] <mattray> automating firewalls today

[17-Aug-2011 11:24:35] <Hackman238> mattray: Nice- what make/model?

[17-Aug-2011 11:24:59] <mattray> Hackman238: we have a new firewall resource, the current providers are ufw and windows firewall

[17-Aug-2011 11:25:04] <rmatte> threshold traps?  as in, firing traps from the device to Zenoss?

[17-Aug-2011 11:25:16] <mattray> there'll be iptables and pf(?) soon

[17-Aug-2011 11:25:22] <rmatte> we really only use IPSLA data for trending, we don't threshold on the values

[17-Aug-2011 11:25:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep. Ah, gotcha

[17-Aug-2011 11:25:34] <mattray> Hackman238: I'm working on the ufw one

[17-Aug-2011 11:25:59] <Hackman238> mattray: Nice

[17-Aug-2011 11:26:35] <mattray> Hackman238: https://github.com/mattray/mattray-cookbooks/tree/master/ufw

[17-Aug-2011 11:26:45] <mattray> it works great

[17-Aug-2011 11:26:52] <mattray> just needs more features

[17-Aug-2011 11:29:12] <Hackman238> mattray: Interesting. Yeah just looked it over- was going to say you should expand on it

[17-Aug-2011 11:29:30] <Hackman238> mattray: No inconsistancy during configuration?

[17-Aug-2011 11:29:56] <mattray> Hackman238: nope

[17-Aug-2011 11:30:17] <mattray> it keeps track of ordering and which rules are applied and resets whenever there's a change

[17-Aug-2011 11:30:18] <Hackman238> mattray: I've had trouble with chef and puppet being incosistant at times....probably just my Ruby isn't so good

[17-Aug-2011 11:31:16] <mattray> yeah, ordering and consistency are pretty important with firewall rules. This works as advertised

[17-Aug-2011 11:31:41] <Hackman238> mattray: Indeed. Keep up the great work.

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[17-Aug-2011 13:27:05] <Thinh> how do i change all the graphs to GMT

[17-Aug-2011 13:42:28] <Hackman238> Thinh: Is the box set to GMT?

[17-Aug-2011 13:42:50] <Hackman238> Thinh: I think your local machine mgiht need to be too to make the ranges jive

[17-Aug-2011 13:44:35] <Thinh> yes

[17-Aug-2011 13:49:49] <Hackman238> Thinh: message/45089#45089

[17-Aug-2011 13:50:07] <Hackman238> Thinh: Looks like those are just comments on the graphs

[17-Aug-2011 13:50:31] <Thinh> doh

[17-Aug-2011 13:50:41] <Thinh> so i need to remove the rrd and let it repopulate eh

[17-Aug-2011 13:51:04] <Hackman238> Thinh: No

[17-Aug-2011 13:51:20] <Hackman238> Thinh: After you set the zenoss master to GMT did you restart zope?

[17-Aug-2011 13:52:11] <Thinh> let me verify everything

[17-Aug-2011 13:52:22] <Hackman238> Thinh: Okay

[17-Aug-2011 13:53:02] <Hackman238> Thinh: message/11198#11198

[17-Aug-2011 13:53:09] <Hackman238> Thinh: Looks like you might even need to reboot

[17-Aug-2011 13:53:22] <Hackman238> Thinh: Not a 100% sure you need to reboot

[17-Aug-2011 13:53:31] <Thinh> i want my system to run in GMT

[17-Aug-2011 13:53:42] <Thinh> [root@localhost ~]# date

[17-Aug-2011 13:53:42] <Thinh> Wed Aug 17 10:56:05 GMT 2011

[17-Aug-2011 13:53:42] <Thinh> [root@localhost ~]#

[17-Aug-2011 13:53:52] <Hackman238> Thinh: Ah its already in GMT

[17-Aug-2011 13:54:02] <Hackman238> Thinh: try zopectl restart

[17-Aug-2011 13:54:11] <Hackman238> Thinh: Then refresh a graph to see if its them ok

[17-Aug-2011 13:54:13] <Hackman238> *then ok

[17-Aug-2011 13:54:37] <Thinh> gotcha

[17-Aug-2011 13:59:09] <Thinh> man one thing i hate is when you change your monitoring from gauge to counter, you break the rrd and graphs

[17-Aug-2011 13:59:21] <Thinh> is ther ea solution for that or do i just remove the rrd

[17-Aug-2011 14:01:08] <Hackman238> Thinh: There is no easy tweak I know of other than to del the rrd or dump it, hand modify, and dump in to a new rrd

[17-Aug-2011 14:10:17] <Hackman238> Thinh: Luck restarting zope?

[17-Aug-2011 14:22:06] <rmatte> there we go, just ordered business cards that match my website

[17-Aug-2011 14:23:01] <Thinh> hackman it works

[17-Aug-2011 14:24:20] <Thinh> ty

[17-Aug-2011 14:24:51] <Thinh> matte, where you buy your businesscards from

[17-Aug-2011 14:24:51] <Hackman238> Thinh: Nice

[17-Aug-2011 14:25:05] <rmatte> Thinh: from morningprint.com

[17-Aug-2011 14:25:07] <Hackman238> rmatte: Very cool. Second on the source- Nebs?

[17-Aug-2011 14:25:10] <rmatte> created custom plastic ones

[17-Aug-2011 14:25:36] <Thinh> some fancy stuff

[17-Aug-2011 14:25:38] <Hackman238> rmatte: Mice

[17-Aug-2011 14:25:41] <rmatte> their interface blows for aligning text so it was a lot of trial and error, and I still managed to miss a slight misalignment, but whatever

[17-Aug-2011 14:25:42] <Hackman238> nexex: Nice

[17-Aug-2011 14:25:51] <Hackman238> ugh...

[17-Aug-2011 14:26:00] <rmatte> they allowed for more text colours than any other site that I found though

[17-Aug-2011 14:26:02] <Hackman238> ***rmatte: *Nice

[17-Aug-2011 14:26:25] <Hackman238> affordable?

[17-Aug-2011 14:26:37] <rmatte> $45 for 400

[17-Aug-2011 14:26:39] <rmatte> not too bad

[17-Aug-2011 14:26:43] <rmatte> considering they are plastic

[17-Aug-2011 14:27:30] <rmatte> http://tinypic.com/?t=postupload

[17-Aug-2011 14:27:33] <rmatte> oops

[17-Aug-2011 14:27:37] <rmatte> http://i53.tinypic.com/k1s4ck.png

[17-Aug-2011 14:27:49] <rmatte> if you compare it to my website, it's a similar colour scheme

[17-Aug-2011 14:28:10] <rmatte> and it'll have rounded edges too, so it'll look like one of the sections on the website

[17-Aug-2011 14:28:20] <rmatte> been wanting to do that for a while

[17-Aug-2011 14:28:39] <Hackman238> rmatte: Nice

[17-Aug-2011 14:30:02] <Hackman238> ...been slaying zombies for like 20 minutes...they jsut keep coming back

[17-Aug-2011 14:30:06] <rmatte> lol

[17-Aug-2011 14:30:17] <rmatte> actual zombies or zombie processes?

[17-Aug-2011 14:30:25] <Hackman238> rmatte: procs LOL

[17-Aug-2011 14:30:28] <rmatte>

[17-Aug-2011 14:30:35] <rmatte> you never know

[17-Aug-2011 14:31:07] <Hackman238> rmatte: True true...especially after lunch- everyone is a zombie

[17-Aug-2011 14:31:12] <Hackman238> XD

[17-Aug-2011 14:31:26] <rmatte> yup

[17-Aug-2011 14:32:36] <Hackman238> rmatte: Weapon of choice: chainsaw-  kill -HUP `ps -A -ostat,ppid,pid,cmd | grep -e '^[Zz]' | awk '{print $2}'`

[17-Aug-2011 14:32:52] <rmatte> lol

[17-Aug-2011 14:33:12] <rmatte> killall -9 is generally my weapon of choice

[17-Aug-2011 14:33:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah but that wont get eh level 2 zombies

[17-Aug-2011 14:33:44] <rmatte> I thought 9 killed anything regardless

[17-Aug-2011 14:33:50] <Hackman238> rmatte: Nein

[17-Aug-2011 14:33:55] <rmatte> hm

[17-Aug-2011 14:34:37] <Hackman238> rmatte: kill -9 powerless towards some zombies

[17-Aug-2011 14:34:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: Not really sure why

[17-Aug-2011 14:34:49] <Hackman238> rmatte: -9 usually a silver bullet

[17-Aug-2011 14:34:51] <rmatte> strange

[17-Aug-2011 14:35:08] <rmatte> they need a kill -FU option

[17-Aug-2011 14:35:27] <rmatte> that terminates a process no matter what

[17-Aug-2011 14:37:03] <rmatte> it seems like internet explorer just gets worse and worse each version

[17-Aug-2011 14:37:17] <rmatte> it's time to take that damn thing out to pasture and *pow*

[17-Aug-2011 14:39:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: Poor ole yeller

[17-Aug-2011 14:39:10] <Hackman238> LOL

[17-Aug-2011 14:39:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: Opera FTW

[17-Aug-2011 14:39:46] <jmp242> really IE is that bad?

[17-Aug-2011 14:39:54] <rmatte> if I visit my webpage in Firefox, it displays at it should with rounded edges on the animated boxes... if I visit it in IE 8, the boxes are square

[17-Aug-2011 14:39:59] <jmp242> I was actually *shudder* considering it again on Windows

[17-Aug-2011 14:40:16] <rmatte> IE can't render half the stuff that the other browsers do properly

[17-Aug-2011 14:40:23] <jmp242> as Firefox is getting problematic - wrt versioning and non enterprise friendly stuff

[17-Aug-2011 14:40:38] <rmatte> firefox is still my first choice when it comes to browsers

[17-Aug-2011 14:41:07] <jmp242> I personally like Opera, but it's not any better really than firefox for dropping support for old version as soon as new is released

[17-Aug-2011 14:41:09] <rmatte> non-enterprise friendly?

[17-Aug-2011 14:41:10] <rmatte> like what?

[17-Aug-2011 14:41:13] <Hackman238> rmatte: Indeed, Opera fails on some sites because it's so compliant with standards

[17-Aug-2011 14:41:20] <jmp242> Like, we can't preset home page

[17-Aug-2011 14:41:33] <jmp242> or set proxy to autodetect

[17-Aug-2011 14:41:54] <rmatte> jmp242: yeh, makes sense

[17-Aug-2011 14:42:08] <jmp242> Updates are ... easy but not easy to deploy

[17-Aug-2011 14:42:16] <Hackman238> jmp242: I hear that

[17-Aug-2011 14:42:16] <rmatte> I'm sure there are ways that you could, you'd just have to be very inventive

[17-Aug-2011 14:42:24] <jmp242> we'd love to add / change bookmark bar occasionally

[17-Aug-2011 14:42:27] <Hackman238> jmp242: and SUS is not a good solution LOL

[17-Aug-2011 14:42:29] <jmp242> for our service request page

[17-Aug-2011 14:42:38] <jmp242> or home page etc

[17-Aug-2011 14:42:48] <rmatte> jmp242: create a custom firefox plugin for it

[17-Aug-2011 14:42:51] <jmp242> and yes, it's not a MSI

[17-Aug-2011 14:43:01] <jmp242> yea, sure, or I could use IE that just supports it in GPOs lol

[17-Aug-2011 14:43:10] <jmp242> no, I don't like IE

[17-Aug-2011 14:43:12] <Hackman238> jmp242: LOL

[17-Aug-2011 14:43:16] <jmp242> but I see why enterprises use it

[17-Aug-2011 14:43:33] <jmp242> heck, frontmotion is the minimum of what Mozilla should ship

[17-Aug-2011 14:43:40] <jmp242> but it's all policy and no preferences

[17-Aug-2011 14:44:05] <jmp242> and it's a third party build, so . . . not amazing from a warm fuzzy perspective

[17-Aug-2011 14:44:11] <Hackman238> jmp242: Yeah, its definately hard to control company wide

[17-Aug-2011 14:44:13] <jmp242> I even tried the CCK, but you can't push that

[17-Aug-2011 14:44:24] <jmp242> each user would have to know to install it manually as far as I can see

[17-Aug-2011 14:44:32] <jmp242> if I could push it, it would be exactly what I need / want

[17-Aug-2011 14:44:38] <Hackman238> Thats it! We're all using Nautalis now.

[17-Aug-2011 14:44:44] <Hackman238>

[17-Aug-2011 14:44:46] <jmp242> lol

[17-Aug-2011 14:45:08] <jmp242> I think WSUS with local update publisher and the frontmotion MSIs may be the best I'm going to get

[17-Aug-2011 14:45:23] <Hackman238> jmp242: Ugh...it breaks so easily

[17-Aug-2011 14:45:33] <Hackman238> jmp242: Its a great concept...its jsut flakey

[17-Aug-2011 14:45:34] <jmp242> mmm

[17-Aug-2011 14:45:37] <jmp242> really?

[17-Aug-2011 14:45:49] <jmp242> My current solution, which also seems prone to random breakage

[17-Aug-2011 14:45:55] <jmp242> is OCSNG / Fusion Inventory Agent

[17-Aug-2011 14:46:02] <Hackman238> jmp242: Yeah, last place we used it we had problems getting updates to like 30% of users

[17-Aug-2011 14:46:13] <jmp242> but I need need need scheduling. I can't just kill Firefox randomly during the day for the update

[17-Aug-2011 14:46:18] <jmp242> well, I can, but it pisses people off

[17-Aug-2011 14:46:26] <Hackman238> jmp242: LOL

[17-Aug-2011 14:46:32] <Hackman238> jmp242: double win

[17-Aug-2011 14:46:37] <jmp242> and if they restart it, it breaks the upgrade

[17-Aug-2011 14:47:23] <jmp242> also, it would be nice that WSUS seems to know if a computer should have an update and if it doesn't re-applies it

[17-Aug-2011 14:47:27] <jmp242> like if it was re-imaged etc

[17-Aug-2011 14:47:35] <jmp242> OCSNG is pretty un-intelligent

[17-Aug-2011 14:47:51] <jmp242> it just sends it to the computers you select, and doesn't check to see if it should re-apply or whatever

[17-Aug-2011 14:48:25] <Thinh> is there a doc for performance tuning on 3.1

[17-Aug-2011 14:48:32] <Thinh> interface is so slow

[17-Aug-2011 14:49:54] <rmatte> Thinh: docs/DOC-2521

[17-Aug-2011 14:50:29] <rmatte> Thinh: https://support.zenoss.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=16059

[17-Aug-2011 14:51:11] <Thinh> cool im still on core heh

[17-Aug-2011 14:51:37] <Hackman238> Thinh: How large is your install?

[17-Aug-2011 14:51:46] <rmatte> here's the direct linki to the article: https://support.zenoss.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=16059

[17-Aug-2011 14:51:49] <rmatte> and some of it applies to core

[17-Aug-2011 14:51:58] <rmatte> the community article is probably more up your alley though

[17-Aug-2011 14:52:34] <Thinh> hack very small atm

[17-Aug-2011 14:52:36] <Thinh> only 4 servers

[17-Aug-2011 14:52:42] <Hackman238> Thinh: Be careful messing with your mysql table types

[17-Aug-2011 14:52:46] <rmatte> what hardware do you have on there?

[17-Aug-2011 14:52:49] <Thinh> used to run enterprise with 2000+ devices

[17-Aug-2011 14:52:50] <Thinh> heh

[17-Aug-2011 14:52:50] <Hackman238> Thinh: And its slow?

[17-Aug-2011 14:53:01] <Thinh> the GUI is slow thats all

[17-Aug-2011 14:53:01] <psyklone> the default cache-size of '5000' in zope.conf is too small for most deployments. bump that object count cache up to 100000 and restart zopectl for starters.

[17-Aug-2011 14:53:33] <Hackman238> Thinh: you can tweak zope a bit, but its so tiny an install. What part is slow?

[17-Aug-2011 14:53:42] <psyklone> the initial load won't be super speedy, but once it's loaded and cached the objects your subsequent UI experience should be better

[17-Aug-2011 14:53:48] <rmatte> psyklone: he could be running it on a 486 for all we know, need hardware details before we advise

[17-Aug-2011 14:53:55] <Thinh> heh

[17-Aug-2011 14:54:10] <psyklone> rmatte, if the turbo button is pushed, he'll be alright

[17-Aug-2011 14:54:12] <psyklone>

[17-Aug-2011 14:54:17] <rmatte> I miss the turbo button

[17-Aug-2011 14:54:18] <rmatte> lol

[17-Aug-2011 14:54:30] <Thinh> brb  doing a launch real quick

[17-Aug-2011 14:58:45] <Hackman238> rmatte: I used to love that button!

[17-Aug-2011 14:59:12] <rmatte> lol

[17-Aug-2011 14:59:31] <rmatte> I don't even know why it was a button in the first place, everyone just left it pressed

[17-Aug-2011 15:01:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: hahaha

[17-Aug-2011 15:01:38] <Hackman238> rmatte: I recall back then people would get SO mad if the associated LCD showed the wrong turbo speed

[17-Aug-2011 15:05:07] <rmatte> lol

[17-Aug-2011 15:05:29] <rmatte> my lcd screen was broken on mine

[17-Aug-2011 15:05:36] <hmp> damn you are old

[17-Aug-2011 15:05:40] <hmp> all of ya

[17-Aug-2011 15:05:56] <rmatte> well, I was like 9 or 10 at the time

[17-Aug-2011 15:05:57] <rmatte>

[17-Aug-2011 15:06:08] <rmatte> probably even younger

[17-Aug-2011 15:06:30] <rmatte> Hackman and I are 26

[17-Aug-2011 15:06:41] <rmatte> so not that old

[17-Aug-2011 15:08:29] <Hackman238> hmp: Aye, not old.

[17-Aug-2011 15:08:39] <psyklone> youngsters

[17-Aug-2011 15:09:52] <Hackman238> hmp: I lived in the country so all I had to do was fiddle with stuff- started with Apple ][e -> IBM PS/2 286 -> Compaq 486dx4 ->Cyrix M2+ 686 ->AMD Thunderbird Slot A 550@650 ->and so on...

[17-Aug-2011 15:10:16] <rmatte> I lived in the country too

[17-Aug-2011 15:10:47] <rmatte> didn't do much fiddling though until I was 14, started using FreeBSD and building my own computers

[17-Aug-2011 15:10:59] <Hackman238> Pro tip: have kids int he country if you want a technical person

[17-Aug-2011 15:11:05] <rmatte> lol

[17-Aug-2011 15:11:13] <Hackman238> rmatte: Very cool.

[17-Aug-2011 15:11:44] <jmp242> I live in the country, but didn't get a PC till I was 15 or so. Boy did I have to beg my parents a lot!

[17-Aug-2011 15:11:44] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah I became sick of the outdoors pretty quick. Seemed like more fun to play with flyback transformers and computers

[17-Aug-2011 15:12:06] <rmatte> well, I did spend a fair bit of time outdoors too, balanced the two out

[17-Aug-2011 15:12:08] <Hackman238> jmp242: Yeah had to do a fair share of that myself

[17-Aug-2011 15:12:09] <Hackman238> LOL

[17-Aug-2011 15:12:12] <jmp242> but hey, we only had a 12" B&W integrated antenna TV

[17-Aug-2011 15:12:19] <jmp242> so I ended up reading a lot also

[17-Aug-2011 15:12:24] <hmp> looks like we are all countrymen here

[17-Aug-2011 15:12:24] <nyeates> I was in suburbs and started programming around 10 in qbasic

[17-Aug-2011 15:12:27] <rmatte> we had to sell our camper trailer to buy our 486

[17-Aug-2011 15:12:27] <rmatte> lol

[17-Aug-2011 15:12:38] <Hackman238> jmp242: Aye- 6, 13 and 17 IF youre lucky

[17-Aug-2011 15:12:40] <jmp242> didn't understand the draw of TV till I was ~ 16 or so when we finally got a color TV lol

[17-Aug-2011 15:13:05] <hmp> i started using pc when i was about 8-9, started using linux when I was 14 and freebsd/openbsd at the age of 18

[17-Aug-2011 15:13:08] <jmp242> my dad loved that TV he bought used in the 70s and kept for like 25 years

[17-Aug-2011 15:13:18] <nyeates> I couldnt live in the country - I like ppl being around too much

[17-Aug-2011 15:13:31] <jmp242> he's quite fiscally responsible to be polite

[17-Aug-2011 15:14:28] <jmp242> ehh, nyeates - I generally don't like people all that much. Unlike computers, you get in trouble if you throw them out when broken

[17-Aug-2011 15:14:34] <jmp242>

[17-Aug-2011 15:14:54] <nyeates> Probably why i like being a community mgr :-p

[17-Aug-2011 15:14:57] <nyeates> haha kidding

[17-Aug-2011 15:15:00] <rmatte> hmp: you did the opposite of me, I started with FreeBSD then eventually started using Linux when I was in college, 19 at the time

[17-Aug-2011 15:15:21] <rmatte> used gentoo first since it was closest to BSD

[17-Aug-2011 15:15:28] <rmatte> then eventually moved on to other distros

[17-Aug-2011 15:15:50] <jmp242> Man, I was a windows guy until college forced me to learn Linux

[17-Aug-2011 15:15:54] <hmp> i use *bsd all around, laptop, desktop and servers

[17-Aug-2011 15:16:02] <hmp> but work with linux machines at work

[17-Aug-2011 15:16:07] <jmp242> now, I'm still a windows guy, I just dislike it to various degrees lol

[17-Aug-2011 15:16:29] <rmatte> jmp242: most of the guys in my college classes were like that, I earned the title "Mr. Linux" from my classmates since I already knew a lot from using BSD for so many years.

[17-Aug-2011 15:16:36] <jmp242> OK, WTH with the room topic?

[17-Aug-2011 15:16:38] <nyeates> jmp: windows until college also....then wife and being a linux-user made me mac

[17-Aug-2011 15:16:52] <Hackman238> jmp242: Cool huh?

[17-Aug-2011 15:16:57] <jmp242> strange

[17-Aug-2011 15:16:57] <Hackman238> jmp242: Set it earlier

[17-Aug-2011 15:17:00] <Hackman238> jmp242: LOL

[17-Aug-2011 15:17:23] <rmatte> lol

[17-Aug-2011 15:17:25] <jmp242> I never have understood macs

[17-Aug-2011 15:17:31] <jmp242> too much time with other OSs I guess

[17-Aug-2011 15:17:51] <rmatte> I've used mac enough to know my way around it, but I don't use it much

[17-Aug-2011 15:17:53] <jmp242> It didn't help that my first real experience was in high school with OS 7.x

[17-Aug-2011 15:18:00] <nyeates> Yeah it took me a good 8 months to get really proficient... id say 90% of the devs at Zenoss use macs

[17-Aug-2011 15:18:05] <Hackman238> jmp242: Uhg....Mac OSX...causes bad taste in my mouth LOL

[17-Aug-2011 15:18:06] <jmp242> those computers made win 98 look stable lol

[17-Aug-2011 15:18:14] <Hackman238> *Ugh

[17-Aug-2011 15:18:46] <jmp242> OSX - if it would stop breaking things in compatibility with other OSs, it'd probably be great

[17-Aug-2011 15:19:17] <Hackman238> jmp242: Hard to task switch in.

[17-Aug-2011 15:19:25] <Hackman238> jmp242: Also doesnt scale to 48 cores

[17-Aug-2011 15:19:33] <Hackman238> jmp242: Result: FAIL

[17-Aug-2011 15:19:35] <nyeates> yeah, mac pre NeXT sucked

[17-Aug-2011 15:19:38] <rmatte> I remember going in to the mac lab during one of my gf's classes... it was a graphics design class.  I sat at a mac and just screwed around in photoshop for a few minutes, ended up making this: http://dmon.org/graphics/nexusbg.jpg ... a few people crowded around the computer and were saying things like "Woah, I could never make that"

[17-Aug-2011 15:20:10] <rmatte> I wasn't even in college for anything remotely related to graphics design, just used to spend hours screwing around with photoshop

[17-Aug-2011 15:20:15] <rmatte> been using it since version 4

[17-Aug-2011 15:20:37] <Hackman238> rmatte: Speaking og PS, epic series: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=you+suck+at+photoshop&aq=f

[17-Aug-2011 15:20:46] <Hackman238> 'You suck at photoshop'

[17-Aug-2011 15:20:58] <rmatte> haha

[17-Aug-2011 15:21:05] <rmatte> nice, I'll have to watch some later

[17-Aug-2011 15:21:08] <Hackman238> Anyone who hasnt, must- now. Immediately. Direct order. LOL

[17-Aug-2011 15:21:14] <rmatte> lol

[17-Aug-2011 15:21:20] <nyeates> I had 3 digital photography classes and used PS for forever too rmatte, neat tool.....i cant keep up with the feature jamming they do these days

[17-Aug-2011 15:21:44] <rmatte> well, I still pretty much stick to same features for most stuff

[17-Aug-2011 15:21:49] <Hackman238> I like Corel Photoshop

[17-Aug-2011 15:21:52] <rmatte> I actually mostly just use the layer effects

[17-Aug-2011 15:22:05] <Hackman238> *ducks for tomatos*

[17-Aug-2011 15:22:17] <rmatte> I don't think it was actually called photoshop

[17-Aug-2011 15:22:19] <jmp242> mmm, Paint.net has all I use

[17-Aug-2011 15:22:29] <rmatte> it was something like Photostudio

[17-Aug-2011 15:22:30] <jmp242> though I understand the GIMP is much more useable now adays

[17-Aug-2011 15:22:31] <rmatte> or something

[17-Aug-2011 15:22:39] <rmatte> GIMP is great, I use it all the time

[17-Aug-2011 15:22:44] <Hackman238> rmatte: Agreed

[17-Aug-2011 15:22:51] <psyklone> gimp very usable now

[17-Aug-2011 15:22:56] <rmatte> Hackman238: Corel are based out of this city

[17-Aug-2011 15:22:57] <nyeates> intersting....i got be a pro selection and mask and hiding/faking of components in photos

[17-Aug-2011 15:23:14] <rmatte> I can actually walk to their headquarters in about 7 minutes from here.

[17-Aug-2011 15:23:36] <Hackman238> rmatte: Cool

[17-Aug-2011 15:23:45] <nyeates> I use something called Acorn on mac....free and has same keyboard shortcuts as photoshop! haha love those shortcuts

[17-Aug-2011 15:23:49] <rmatte> they are downsized like hell from what they were though

[17-Aug-2011 15:24:10] <nyeates> Corel is in Canuck-land?

[17-Aug-2011 15:24:11] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah, lost popularity for some reason.

[17-Aug-2011 15:24:17] <Hackman238> nyeates: LOL

[17-Aug-2011 15:24:19] <rmatte> nyeates: correct

[17-Aug-2011 15:24:24] <rmatte> it's in Ottawa

[17-Aug-2011 15:25:21] <rmatte> Corel Corporation

[17-Aug-2011 15:25:21] <rmatte> 1600 Carling Avenue

[17-Aug-2011 15:25:21] <rmatte> Ottawa, Ontario

[17-Aug-2011 15:25:31] <rmatte> I catch my bus home on Carling just a block from there

[17-Aug-2011 15:25:37] <rmatte> lol

[17-Aug-2011 15:25:43] <nyeates> Ive not tried it, but doesn PS have an all-online version of photoshop now?

[17-Aug-2011 15:25:57] <rmatte> hmmmm, not sure about that

[17-Aug-2011 15:26:30] <rmatte> oh, it's not a full featured version

[17-Aug-2011 15:26:35] <rmatte> it just has really basic functionality

[17-Aug-2011 15:26:37] <psyklone> nyeates - you may be thinking of the 'online' version that's on piratebay

[17-Aug-2011 15:26:40] <Hackman238> nyeates: Browsers barely play HD video without skipping...I wouldnt trust a photo app LOL

[17-Aug-2011 15:26:40] <rmatte> "Photoshop Express Editor"

[17-Aug-2011 15:26:47] <Hackman238> psyklone: LOL!

[17-Aug-2011 15:26:59] <psyklone> ... allegedly

[17-Aug-2011 15:27:04] <rmatte> I just loaded it, it's flash based

[17-Aug-2011 15:27:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: Nice. Kill plugin-container if your brower freezes

[17-Aug-2011 15:27:28] <Hackman238> LOL

[17-Aug-2011 15:27:36] <psyklone> so much wrong about a flash based image editor

[17-Aug-2011 15:27:41] <rmatte> http://www.photoshop.com/tools/expresseditor?wf=editor

[17-Aug-2011 15:27:48] <nyeates> Photoshop tagline: The most pirated software application ever!

[17-Aug-2011 15:28:04] <rmatte> yeh, it's definitely the most pirated, second would be dreamweaver

[17-Aug-2011 15:28:22] <rmatte> then flash

[17-Aug-2011 15:28:37] <nyeates> cause its so damn expensive and so useful to ppl who make little to no money on it

[17-Aug-2011 15:28:42] <rmatte> perhaps they should get the hint and lower their prices so that people can actually afford the software

[17-Aug-2011 15:28:43] <Hackman238> rmatte: Nein nein...Windows

[17-Aug-2011 15:28:53] <rmatte> Hackman238: true, but I'm not counting operating systems

[17-Aug-2011 15:28:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: Less windows isnt considered an application.

[17-Aug-2011 15:29:00] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah gotcha.

[17-Aug-2011 15:29:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah I cant think of any others

[17-Aug-2011 15:29:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: Almost 100% sure you're right

[17-Aug-2011 15:29:28] <Hackman238> LOL

[17-Aug-2011 15:29:42] <nyeates> psyklone: How is piratebay still in existance? thought they were sued to hell

[17-Aug-2011 15:29:46] <rmatte> either way, with linux around these days I'm sure that windows piracy has dropped

[17-Aug-2011 15:29:53] <nyeates> they distributed and mirrored up in 3rd world nations?

[17-Aug-2011 15:30:03] <psyklone> i know nothing

[17-Aug-2011 15:30:08] <rmatte> the only excuse to pirate windows is to play a game that's not supported in wine

[17-Aug-2011 15:30:14] <rmatte> that's the only acceptable excuse

[17-Aug-2011 15:30:22] <rmatte> lol

[17-Aug-2011 15:30:47] <nyeates> I always got it from work heh

[17-Aug-2011 15:30:48] <Hackman238> rmatte: Visual Studio

[17-Aug-2011 15:30:59] <psyklone> ah yeah, that's a good one

[17-Aug-2011 15:31:01] <rmatte> Hackman238: I scoff at Visual Studio

[17-Aug-2011 15:31:03] <Hackman238> Anyone else like Windows Media Center?

[17-Aug-2011 15:31:07] <rmatte> but yes, very pirated

[17-Aug-2011 15:31:18] <nyeates> So every now and then, I go check for Zenoss on pirate bay.....

[17-Aug-2011 15:31:25] <rmatte> PS3 Media Server + PS3 > Windows Media Center

[17-Aug-2011 15:31:27] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah I write in VB for phone apps

[17-Aug-2011 15:31:38] <Hackman238> rmatte: BAH I dont like PS3

[17-Aug-2011 15:31:44] <nyeates> Zenoss not popular enough for piratebay i guess :-)

[17-Aug-2011 15:31:55] <rmatte> Hackman238: for what reason?

[17-Aug-2011 15:31:57] <nyeates> zenoss enterprise i mean

[17-Aug-2011 15:32:00] <Hackman238> Got rid of my Xbox too.

[17-Aug-2011 15:32:16] <Hackman238> rmatte: No point for it- it breaks to much and my PC has better graphics

[17-Aug-2011 15:32:36] <rmatte> mine has never broken

[17-Aug-2011 15:32:43] <Hackman238> rmatte: Wii is the only console I have  now...everything else I run on my PC

[17-Aug-2011 15:32:51] <rmatte> and I don't really play games on my PC

[17-Aug-2011 15:32:53] <Hackman238> rmatte: Mine more than a few times.

[17-Aug-2011 15:33:03] <rmatte> well, I have one of the original PS3s

[17-Aug-2011 15:33:05] <rmatte> and they are solid

[17-Aug-2011 15:33:10] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah, not mine

[17-Aug-2011 15:33:19] <nyeates> I see kids these days play more games on iphone and driod devices than consoles and handhelds

[17-Aug-2011 15:33:24] <Hackman238> In contrast I have an origonal Wii

[17-Aug-2011 15:33:34] <rmatte> the only games I play on PC are minecraft and starcraft 2

[17-Aug-2011 15:33:45] <nyeates> oldschool

[17-Aug-2011 15:33:59] <psyklone> nyeates - i'd be _really_ hesitant about grabbing network monitoring software that's so easily customizable off of a torrent site. i'd rather pay for it than dig around to make sure it's 'clean'

[17-Aug-2011 15:34:05] <Hackman238> ...and probably the only Windows Media Center for video/games that runs Opterons with 64GB of RAM

[17-Aug-2011 15:34:09] <Hackman238> LOL

[17-Aug-2011 15:34:19] <rmatte> then I play CoD black ops, NHL 11, and Gran Turismo on my PS3

[17-Aug-2011 15:34:23] <nyeates> or well....starcraft 2 took foever to come out so its not old i guess

[17-Aug-2011 15:34:27] <Hackman238> rmatte: Win on SC2

[17-Aug-2011 15:34:36] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ever play FEAR?

[17-Aug-2011 15:34:38] <rmatte> I play SC2 in wine, works pretty well

[17-Aug-2011 15:34:44] <rmatte> yeh, I played fear, it's alright

[17-Aug-2011 15:34:51] <rmatte> not really my style of shooter though

[17-Aug-2011 15:35:02] <Hackman238> rmatte: I used to...but its more comfortable to play on the coutch

[17-Aug-2011 15:35:06] <rmatte> when modern warfare 3 comes out I shall be extremely content

[17-Aug-2011 15:35:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah gotcha

[17-Aug-2011 15:35:12] <jmp242> mmm, just started playing Dragon Age Origins Ultimate on PS3 - got it at a going out of business sale for $22 so why not

[17-Aug-2011 15:35:13] <nyeates> psyklone: i work for zenoss... so its why i had the interest

[17-Aug-2011 15:35:17] <Hackman238> rmatte: Never really liked CoD

[17-Aug-2011 15:35:23] <Hackman238> nyeates: I looked once

[17-Aug-2011 15:35:26] <Hackman238> nyeates: No jolly.

[17-Aug-2011 15:35:27] <rmatte> I've been addicted to it ever since CoD4

[17-Aug-2011 15:35:41] <jmp242> a lot like Neverwinter Nights 2 except not hangy/crashy i.e. works lol

[17-Aug-2011 15:35:45] <rmatte> I never really played CoD prior to that

[17-Aug-2011 15:36:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: EVE>

[17-Aug-2011 15:36:20] <Hackman238> ?

[17-Aug-2011 15:36:27] <rmatte> never played EVE

[17-Aug-2011 15:36:38] <rmatte> played diablo II religiously

[17-Aug-2011 15:36:41] <Hackman238> If anyone ever play EVE, can message me- 'DaggerMouth'

[17-Aug-2011 15:36:44] <nyeates> Neverwinter Nights I reminded me of good ole Dungeons and Dragons

[17-Aug-2011 15:36:50] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep yep. good game

[17-Aug-2011 15:36:55] <rmatte> I played NWN a bit, but not much

[17-Aug-2011 15:36:56] <nyeates> anyone ever play in-person D&D...cant beeat it

[17-Aug-2011 15:37:11] <rmatte> nyeates: I've tried it, not a big fan, I like MUDs though

[17-Aug-2011 15:37:15] <rmatte> (telnet RPGs)

[17-Aug-2011 15:37:22] <Hackman238> nyeates: The perspective in NwN bugged me

[17-Aug-2011 15:37:32] <rmatte> I'm coding a MUD myself, taking ages

[17-Aug-2011 15:37:38] <rmatte> picked up off someone else's work

[17-Aug-2011 15:37:42] <nyeates> how do MUds work? is it all text? who makes the worlds?

[17-Aug-2011 15:37:45] <Hackman238> rmatte: I recall you mentioned it

[17-Aug-2011 15:38:01] <rmatte> nyeates: we have authors who create rooms with in-game tools

[17-Aug-2011 15:38:24] <rmatte> nyeates: If you want to check out the one that I'm working on, telnet to cardearpg.com

[17-Aug-2011 15:38:49] <rmatte> the game isn't finished yet so there's not much to do, but there's quite a bit already coded

[17-Aug-2011 15:38:54] <Hackman238> Anyone ever plau UO?

[17-Aug-2011 15:39:00] <Hackman238> Used to play that often.

[17-Aug-2011 15:39:00] <rmatte> yeh I played UO for a bit

[17-Aug-2011 15:39:02] <rmatte> was pretty good

[17-Aug-2011 15:39:15] <Hackman238> Way back in the day before Prop 16 F'd over everything

[17-Aug-2011 15:39:20] <jmp242> in person DND was a lot of fun

[17-Aug-2011 15:39:34] <Hackman238> ...good ole days of multiplexed 33.6 ppp dialup connections

[17-Aug-2011 15:39:41] <jmp242> I played 2e and 3e quite a lot

[17-Aug-2011 15:40:29] <rmatte> nyeates: cardea is taking a long time to code because we're going in to extreme depth with it, we want a really polished final product when we're done

[17-Aug-2011 15:40:32] <nyeates> Badass, plain old telnet let me right into creating my character

[17-Aug-2011 15:41:06] <rmatte> nyeates: there used to be an old version of cardea that I played for 6 years... and it was awesome... but it was buggier than all hell.  The original author was working on a new version but gave up on it.  He agreed to pass the code to me and I've continued the work on it.

[17-Aug-2011 15:41:26] <rmatte> nyeates: The game engine is written in c++, and the game itself is written in a custom language similar to C called cascade

[17-Aug-2011 15:41:43] <rmatte> he actually wrote his own compiler for the game engine code so it's pretty in-depth

[17-Aug-2011 15:48:18] <nyeates> jeez

[17-Aug-2011 15:48:23] <nyeates> that is hard core

[17-Aug-2011 15:50:01] <nyeates> HELP\

[17-Aug-2011 15:50:07] <nyeates> d'oht

[17-Aug-2011 15:50:26] <Hackman238> *throws life jacket and misses*

[17-Aug-2011 15:53:50] <crazed> Status/Snmp||5|SNMP agent up

[17-Aug-2011 15:53:56] <crazed> why is that showing up as an error?

[17-Aug-2011 15:53:59] <crazed> seems missleading

[17-Aug-2011 15:54:04] <crazed> if snmp is up haha

[17-Aug-2011 15:55:11] <Thinh> just letting you know snmp agent might have been restarted

[17-Aug-2011 15:55:32] <crazed> oh

[17-Aug-2011 15:55:47] <crazed> i just moved collectors

[17-Aug-2011 15:55:50] <crazed> that might be why then

[17-Aug-2011 15:55:54] <Thinh> there you go

[17-Aug-2011 15:56:07] <Thinh> cant do logic with a machine

[17-Aug-2011 15:57:38] <dhopp> Thinh:  what do you mean?  at the root level that's all a machine is..a bunch of logic gates for electricity to pass :-P

[17-Aug-2011 15:57:55] <Thinh> heh just a joke

[17-Aug-2011 15:58:07] <dhopp> Thinh:  I was joking too

[17-Aug-2011 15:58:12] <Thinh> your joke was not funny

[17-Aug-2011 15:58:15] <Thinh> too high lvl

[17-Aug-2011 15:58:17] <Thinh> gotta dumb it down

[17-Aug-2011 15:58:38] <Thinh> itsl ike watching the matrix 2 and 3 and not knowing wtf is going on

[17-Aug-2011 16:03:49] <crazed> too high level?

[17-Aug-2011 16:03:52] <crazed> more like low level lol

[17-Aug-2011 16:04:36] <rmatte> lol, nyeates just checked out my MUD quickly

[17-Aug-2011 16:04:45] <nyeates> pretty sweet

[17-Aug-2011 16:04:50] <rmatte>

[17-Aug-2011 16:05:19] <crazed> hmm

[17-Aug-2011 16:05:21] <Thinh> hey the zenoss engine is python ? pr perl

[17-Aug-2011 16:05:27] <nyeates> anyone can join with "telnet cardearog.com" 3800 rooms

[17-Aug-2011 16:05:27] <rmatte> python

[17-Aug-2011 16:05:32] <rmatte> there's no perl

[17-Aug-2011 16:05:40] <rmatte> cardearpg.com

[17-Aug-2011 16:05:42] <nyeates> thinh python and soon to be java too

[17-Aug-2011 16:05:53] <Thinh> why java

[17-Aug-2011 16:06:08] <crazed> so i just moved a machine to a new collector, but now no graph data for that machine hm

[17-Aug-2011 16:06:12] <rmatte> for performance reasons

[17-Aug-2011 16:06:24] <nyeates> we are using it for the new event architecture ZEP

[17-Aug-2011 16:06:26] <rmatte> crazed: you need to copy the RRDs over to the collector

[17-Aug-2011 16:06:30] <Hackman238> Thinh: Python

[17-Aug-2011 16:06:41] <nyeates> java scales, and gives us some flexibility

[17-Aug-2011 16:06:43] <rmatte> crazed: If you have egor's pack installed and configured correctly it should move the data for you

[17-Aug-2011 16:06:46] <Thinh> hows troubleshooting with java though

[17-Aug-2011 16:06:54] <Thinh> i use opennms here too and log files sux

[17-Aug-2011 16:06:56] <Hackman238> Thinh: *cough*

[17-Aug-2011 16:07:02] <rmatte> crazed: or are you an enterprise customer?

[17-Aug-2011 16:07:14] <Hackman238> Thinh: The java debugging has been...tedious

[17-Aug-2011 16:07:16] <nyeates> thinh: ive only troubleshoot some with java, but it seems very similar to python....it was more verbose in tracebacks actually

[17-Aug-2011 16:07:26] <crazed> rmatte: no, core user

[17-Aug-2011 16:07:42] <crazed> i'm using egor's pack

[17-Aug-2011 16:07:44] <nyeates> ZEP and java, for now, is enterprise only

[17-Aug-2011 16:07:47] <nyeates> might become core

[17-Aug-2011 16:08:06] <crazed> i see the RRD files on the new collector, but

[17-Aug-2011 16:08:06] <crazed> hm

[17-Aug-2011 16:08:21] <Thinh> those are fresh

[17-Aug-2011 16:09:25] <crazed> seem graph data just stops after the switch over

[17-Aug-2011 16:09:30] <Thinh> how do i add multiple hosts into zenoss via command line

[17-Aug-2011 16:09:46] <Thinh> i remembered doing this with a list of hosts in a text file

[17-Aug-2011 16:10:12] <Hackman238> Thinh: zenbatchloader

[17-Aug-2011 16:10:44] <Thinh> thats out of the box right

[17-Aug-2011 16:11:00] <nyeates> first web server made by tim berners-lee: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/First_Web_Server.jpg

[17-Aug-2011 16:11:41] <Thinh> does anyone know how many devices 1 collector can handle

[17-Aug-2011 16:12:20] <rmatte> Thinh: depends on the hardware really

[17-Aug-2011 16:12:26] <rmatte> and the number of datapoints

[17-Aug-2011 16:12:31] <rmatte> it has nothing to do with number of devices

[17-Aug-2011 16:12:35] <Thinh> just more IO etc

[17-Aug-2011 16:12:43] <Thinh> just wondering if there was a hardset number

[17-Aug-2011 16:12:55] <rmatte> if you have a switch with 600 interfaces on it, and you're polling each one, that's going to be a lot more data to poll than a windows server

[17-Aug-2011 16:13:13] <rmatte> it's all about the amount of data, not the number of devices

[17-Aug-2011 16:13:22] <rmatte> and no, there's no hardset number

[17-Aug-2011 16:13:29] <crazed> rmatte: how does egor's pack handle copying the RRD files? i have ssh for zenoss user set up with keys properly

[17-Aug-2011 16:13:37] <Thinh> and why does  zenoss have to install with 1337 userid

[17-Aug-2011 16:13:39] <Thinh> i hate that =0

[17-Aug-2011 16:13:41] <crazed> also i used dmd to move the server over

[17-Aug-2011 16:13:47] <crazed> if there's a different way maybe that's why it didn't work

[17-Aug-2011 16:43:48] <Thinh> is it possible todisable ping for monitoring

[17-Aug-2011 16:44:05] <Thinh> we have some boxes that doesnt accept ping

[17-Aug-2011 16:44:11] <Thinh> i dont like seeing the red events =0

[17-Aug-2011 16:47:30] <psyklone> there's a zPingMonitorIgnore zproperty that you can set to 'True' to disable ping monitoring

[17-Aug-2011 16:47:33] <dhopp> Thinh: go to the device (or device class) -> details -> configuration properties -> zPingMonitorIgnore True

[17-Aug-2011 16:47:40] <dhopp> psyklone:  damn you!

[17-Aug-2011 16:47:45] <psyklone>

[17-Aug-2011 16:48:18] <Thinh> ty

[17-Aug-2011 16:52:46] <Hackman238> LOL

[17-Aug-2011 16:55:54] <Thinh> when yo ucreate a new template, does it have to be attach to a class?

[17-Aug-2011 16:57:46] <Hackman238> Have to run. Later all!

[17-Aug-2011 16:58:07] <dhopp> Thinh: it has to be defined at some class level, but it can be not bound to that level (so it's not effective)

[17-Aug-2011 16:58:27] <dhopp> Thinh:  then you could bind the template to another class level or device that is below that

[17-Aug-2011 16:58:30] <Thinh> well im trying to mak ea bunch of custom templates and have it store some where

[17-Aug-2011 16:58:36] <Thinh> i want to move the template when i need to

[17-Aug-2011 16:58:57] <dhopp> Thinh:  you can copy a template to another location

[17-Aug-2011 16:58:58] <Thinh> yea i guess thats the work around

[17-Aug-2011 16:59:12] <dhopp> and then delete it from the original location if you wanted

[17-Aug-2011 17:06:17] <kickehy> rmatte: you around?

[17-Aug-2011 17:09:21] <rmatte> yes

[17-Aug-2011 17:09:24] <rmatte> what's up?

[17-Aug-2011 17:11:10] <Thinh> is dev/id = device name?

[17-Aug-2011 17:11:36] <rmatte> correct

[17-Aug-2011 17:14:22] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away

[17-Aug-2011 17:14:48] <rmatte> dev/manageIp is IP address

[17-Aug-2011 17:21:52] <Thinh> ok so i created a device class called custom template

[17-Aug-2011 17:21:57] <Thinh> i made a template in there

[17-Aug-2011 17:22:08] <Thinh> i want to move that template to /server/linux/lab3/blah.lab3

[17-Aug-2011 17:22:13] <Thinh> where do i go

[17-Aug-2011 17:22:13] <Thinh> lol

[17-Aug-2011 17:29:47] <kickehy> rmatte: sorry got pulled away from my desk

[17-Aug-2011 17:38:57] <Thinh> hmm

[17-Aug-2011 17:39:22] <Thinh> 2 templates cant exist in differnt classes?

[17-Aug-2011 17:39:29] <Thinh> you have to make a local copy only ?

[17-Aug-2011 17:41:16] <rmatte> hunh?

[17-Aug-2011 17:41:49] <rmatte> you can't have one template exist in two classes... you can however move it to a class above the 2 classes and then bind it at the class level of both classes

[17-Aug-2011 17:42:43] <Thinh> hmm

[17-Aug-2011 17:42:58] <Thinh> is that the only way

[17-Aug-2011 17:43:51] <Thinh> i want my template to work for stuff in devices/blah and /server/linux/blah

[17-Aug-2011 17:43:52] <Thinh> how do you do that

[17-Aug-2011 17:44:11] <dhopp> Thinh:  If you only want one template that you modify then you have to put it at a higher level and then bind it to subclasses below that.

[17-Aug-2011 17:44:30] <dhopp> Thinh:  you could put it at /Device level and then it's available to all subclasses..just don't bind it to /Device

[17-Aug-2011 17:45:02] <dhopp> But if you don't want it at /Device then you have to have 2 copies of the Template

[17-Aug-2011 17:46:34] <Thinh> so binding it means activating it?

[17-Aug-2011 17:46:51] <Thinh> the idea is to make a bunch of templates in 1 location and move it over when someone want to use it

[17-Aug-2011 17:47:27] <rmatte> binding it means activating it for that class, yes

[17-Aug-2011 17:47:28] <nonsenso> rehi.

[17-Aug-2011 17:47:36] <rmatte> and you can bind any templates from higher classes to lower classes

[17-Aug-2011 17:47:51] <rmatte> so if you create templates at the /Device level, they'll be available to all classes, you'll just have to bind them as needed

[17-Aug-2011 17:48:14] <rmatte> It can get a bit messy to have them all in one spot though unless you have a good naming convention for them

[17-Aug-2011 17:48:26] <rmatte> I usually create them right under the classes that I need them under if I can

[17-Aug-2011 17:48:39] <Thinh> yea i got the breadcrum part

[17-Aug-2011 17:48:46] <Thinh> iwas just making sure it wasnt activated just because the template is there

[17-Aug-2011 17:49:37] <rmatte> nope

[17-Aug-2011 17:49:56] <Thinh> i just want a centrallize area for all templates

[17-Aug-2011 17:50:02] <Thinh> it could get messy when i have 300+

[17-Aug-2011 17:50:51] <rmatte> yeh, it could

[17-Aug-2011 17:50:59] <rmatte> just name them all similar

[17-Aug-2011 17:51:04] <JohnnyNOC> god forbid you have to move them after that

[17-Aug-2011 17:51:04] <JohnnyNOC> :X

[17-Aug-2011 17:51:20] <Thinh> hmm

[17-Aug-2011 17:51:22] <dhopp> Thinh:  managing templates can sort of be an art and how you do it is dependent on what your device needs are

[17-Aug-2011 17:51:33] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: that seems highly unlikely, since he can just bind them from there

[17-Aug-2011 17:51:48] <Thinh> yea i used to have 50+ on my other job and i created a zenpack for all of it heh

[17-Aug-2011 17:52:14] <rmatte> lol

[17-Aug-2011 17:52:16] <Thinh> so im using curl to monitor, what format the data need to be ?

[17-Aug-2011 17:52:22] <Thinh> data: value?

[17-Aug-2011 17:52:26] <rmatte> go for nagios format

[17-Aug-2011 17:52:33] <rmatte> |data=value

[17-Aug-2011 17:52:41] <rmatte> |MyDataPoint=23

[17-Aug-2011 17:52:43] <rmatte> or whatever

[17-Aug-2011 17:52:45] <Thinh> no space?

[17-Aug-2011 17:52:48] <rmatte> no space

[17-Aug-2011 17:52:58] <Thinh> shit i gotta convert : space to = then

[17-Aug-2011 17:52:59] <Thinh> kk

[17-Aug-2011 17:53:12] <rmatte> well, don't use the colon either

[17-Aug-2011 17:53:25] <Thinh> scoreboard splits out from jmx heh

[17-Aug-2011 17:53:26] <rmatte> show me what your output looks like?

[17-Aug-2011 17:53:34] <rmatte> I can format it properly for you

[17-Aug-2011 17:53:37] <Thinh> ill just sed it

[17-Aug-2011 17:53:51] <rmatte> well, you need it all on one line too preferably if you have more than one

[17-Aug-2011 17:53:58] <Thinh> yea

[17-Aug-2011 17:53:58] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte if you had templates on a 2.5.2 and wnted to move them to 3.1.0 what would you do

[17-Aug-2011 17:54:12] <kschroeder> Hello everyone. I am running the latest version of the Zenoss Virtual Appliance. Everyday about 3 times a day I have to manually start the zeneventlog daemon. Any Ideas??

[17-Aug-2011 17:54:13] <rmatte> |Data1=34 Data2=67 Data3=937

[17-Aug-2011 17:54:34] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: nothing, 2.5.2 templates are identical to 3.1 templates

[17-Aug-2011 17:54:40] <rmatte> there's no change in the actual way a template is stored

[17-Aug-2011 17:54:52] <JohnnyNOC> so how would you have transferred them

[17-Aug-2011 17:54:55] <Thinh> ads.si_manager.system_si_pkg_manager.downloaded_dfpkg: 283 ads.si_manager.system_si_pkg_manager.feed_metadata_mismatch: 0

[17-Aug-2011 17:54:56] <rmatte> you could just wrap it in a ZenPack on the 2.5.2 instance and install the ZenPack on the 3.1 instance

[17-Aug-2011 17:55:27] <JohnnyNOC> can that be done solely with "add to zenpack"

[17-Aug-2011 17:55:28] <JohnnyNOC> ?

[17-Aug-2011 17:55:31] <rmatte> yup

[17-Aug-2011 17:57:44] <JohnnyNOC> hrm

[17-Aug-2011 17:57:48] <JohnnyNOC> i guess i did a few the hard way

[17-Aug-2011 17:57:52] <JohnnyNOC> at least i learned something

[17-Aug-2011 17:57:52] <rmatte> lol

[17-Aug-2011 17:58:00] <JohnnyNOC> (About the tempaltes themselves)

[17-Aug-2011 17:58:07] <rmatte> yup

[17-Aug-2011 17:58:25] <Thinh> matte, some of the data on top is outputting  2 set per line

[17-Aug-2011 17:58:40] <Thinh> ads.acamp_pause_store.found: 0 ads.acamp_pause_store.lookup: 38055 ads.acamp_pause_store.reset: 0 ads.acamp_pause_store.update: 0 ads.ad_selector.bid_ad_selector.called: 1451

[17-Aug-2011 17:59:18] <rmatte> I don't get what you're saying

[17-Aug-2011 17:59:21] <rmatte> that looks fine to me

[17-Aug-2011 17:59:51] <rmatte> just sed 's/: /=/' and add | at the start

[17-Aug-2011 18:00:13] <rmatte> erm

[17-Aug-2011 18:00:18] <rmatte> 's/: /=/g'

[17-Aug-2011 18:01:50] <Thinh> for some reason i thought every data:value need to be in a new line

[17-Aug-2011 18:02:08] <rmatte> no

[17-Aug-2011 18:02:13] <rmatte> they all need to be on the same line

[17-Aug-2011 18:02:25] <Thinh> thats with nagios?

[17-Aug-2011 18:02:35] <rmatte> that's nagios format, yeh

[17-Aug-2011 18:03:18] <Thinh> hmm

[17-Aug-2011 18:03:19] <Thinh> not working

[17-Aug-2011 18:03:31] <rmatte> should look like...

[17-Aug-2011 18:03:32] <rmatte> |ads.acamp_pause_store.found=0 ads.acamp_pause_store.lookup=38055 ads.acamp_pause_store.reset=0 ads.acamp_pause_store.update=0 ads.ad_selector.bid_ad_selector.called=1451

[17-Aug-2011 18:03:52] <Thinh> yea i have that

[17-Aug-2011 18:03:54] <rmatte> and then keep in mind that you actually need to create datapoints under the command datasource that are equal to each of those data names

[17-Aug-2011 18:04:38] <Thinh> yea its there

[17-Aug-2011 18:04:58] <rmatte> how can you tell it's not working?

[17-Aug-2011 18:05:05] <Thinh> no rrd generated

[17-Aug-2011 18:05:16] <rmatte> perhaps zencommand just hasn't had time to run yet?

[17-Aug-2011 18:05:20] <rmatte> or are you running it by hand?

[17-Aug-2011 18:05:58] <rmatte> from the command line as the Zenoss user, if you do: zencommand run -v10 -d devicename

[17-Aug-2011 18:06:00] <Thinh> rrd directory is not even there

[17-Aug-2011 18:06:06] <rmatte> you'll see what it's actually doing

[17-Aug-2011 18:06:29] <rmatte> you do understand that zencommand runs on 5 minute cycles, so if you make a change and don't wait long enough there obviously won't be any RRDs

[17-Aug-2011 18:06:43] <rmatte> hence why executing it by hand at the commandline with debug options against a specific device is the best way to test

[17-Aug-2011 18:09:24] <Thinh> i see the out from the curl command

[17-Aug-2011 18:09:27] <Thinh> looks weird though

[17-Aug-2011 18:09:45] <rmatte> can you fpaste.org the output?

[17-Aug-2011 18:09:50] <rmatte> will be easier if I see it

[17-Aug-2011 18:11:23] <Thinh> #123827

[17-Aug-2011 18:11:54] <rmatte> can you provide the actual link?

[17-Aug-2011 18:12:16] <rmatte> can't search by number

[17-Aug-2011 18:12:47] <Thinh> http://fpaste.org/PFh5/

[17-Aug-2011 18:13:24] <Thinh> thing about this host is alot of ports are blocked ..the only thing i can do is curl

[17-Aug-2011 18:13:42] <Thinh> i dont see the devicename under /Devices/perf directory

[17-Aug-2011 18:13:48] <rmatte> ah you're outputting way way more than I thought you were

[17-Aug-2011 18:14:05] <rmatte> and it's full of newlines, meaning it is actually outputting them on separate lines

[17-Aug-2011 18:14:32] <Thinh> i thought there was a parser that can do newline

[17-Aug-2011 18:14:54] <rmatte> Thinh: It's supposed to be able to but in my experience it doesn't work very well

[17-Aug-2011 18:15:01] <rmatte> which is why I always output my data on a single line

[17-Aug-2011 18:15:31] <rmatte> you're also missing the | at the start

[17-Aug-2011 18:15:38] <rmatte> which is probably the main issue

[17-Aug-2011 18:16:00] <Thinh> after sed

[17-Aug-2011 18:16:01] <Thinh> ?

[17-Aug-2011 18:16:10] <rmatte> you need a | right before all the data

[17-Aug-2011 18:16:18] <rmatte> in the actual data output

[17-Aug-2011 18:16:22] <rmatte> it's part of standard nagios formatting

[17-Aug-2011 18:16:28] <rmatte> the data has to come after a |

[17-Aug-2011 18:16:28] <Thinh> really

[17-Aug-2011 18:16:31] <rmatte> yes

[17-Aug-2011 18:16:41] <Thinh> what does cacti uses

[17-Aug-2011 18:16:42] <rmatte> example: OK|data1=3

[17-Aug-2011 18:16:46] <rmatte> or |data1=3

[17-Aug-2011 18:17:00] <rmatte> the reason being, because nagios format also supports creating events with text before the |

[17-Aug-2011 18:17:05] <rmatte> so you could do something like...

[17-Aug-2011 18:17:24] <rmatte> echo "ERRRROORRRRR!|"; exit 2

[17-Aug-2011 18:17:31] <rmatte> and it would generate an event with that message

[17-Aug-2011 18:17:48] <rmatte> whether the data is on the left or the right is how it knows how to handle parsing it

[17-Aug-2011 18:18:27] <Thinh> im usre ive used  asfasf:value before

[17-Aug-2011 18:18:32] <Thinh> dang it

[17-Aug-2011 18:18:36] <rmatte> in Zenoss though?

[17-Aug-2011 18:18:40] <Thinh> yea

[17-Aug-2011 18:18:49] <Thinh> or it might be = but i know i didnt have to use |

[17-Aug-2011 18:19:07] <rmatte> no idea, I've always used the | since it always works for me

[17-Aug-2011 18:19:13] <rmatte> I always stick to what I know works

[17-Aug-2011 18:19:22] <rmatte> and I never use newlines

[17-Aug-2011 18:19:50] <rmatte> there was a bug in 2.4 where newlines didn't work anyways, it only got fixed in 2.5

[17-Aug-2011 18:20:09] <rmatte> and I still don't completely trust it

[17-Aug-2011 18:20:36] <Thinh> yea i started at 2.5 and i know newline was working

[17-Aug-2011 18:21:01] <rmatte> let me see the rest of your debug output

[17-Aug-2011 18:21:02] <Thinh> what does auto parser do

[17-Aug-2011 18:21:07] <rmatte> you only pasted one line, which is kind of useless

[17-Aug-2011 18:21:18] <rmatte> auto automatically detects whether the format is nagios or whatever else

[17-Aug-2011 18:21:19] <Thinh> actually i pasted a bunch but that paste thing didnt take it

[17-Aug-2011 18:21:20] <Thinh> lol

[17-Aug-2011 18:21:24] <rmatte> I always just leave it at auto

[17-Aug-2011 18:21:41] <rmatte> oh, sometimes it'll error, you just have to press back and paste it again

[17-Aug-2011 18:21:50] <rmatte> you'll get that "you broke the server" message or whatever

[17-Aug-2011 18:22:01] <rmatte> only ever happens once in a while for me

[17-Aug-2011 18:22:26] <Thinh> i thikn there is a limit

[17-Aug-2011 18:22:29] <Thinh> still doenst work

[17-Aug-2011 18:22:45] <rmatte> I've pasted really long stuff in there, there shouldn't be a limit

[17-Aug-2011 18:22:48] <Thinh> actually

[17-Aug-2011 18:22:59] <Thinh> i think there might be a bug where the data cant have periods right

[17-Aug-2011 18:23:09] <Thinh> i rmeembered i had to change it all to dashes one time

[17-Aug-2011 18:23:09] <rmatte> in Zenoss you mean?

[17-Aug-2011 18:23:12] <Thinh> yea

[17-Aug-2011 18:23:21] <rmatte> it's possible, I never use any special characters in datapoint names

[17-Aug-2011 18:23:24] <rmatte> it's just bad news

[17-Aug-2011 18:23:27] <rmatte> I don't even use spaces in them

[17-Aug-2011 18:24:12] <rmatte> spaces shouldn't even be allowed in datapoint/datasource names in my opinion

[17-Aug-2011 18:25:09] <Thinh> let me see if i can do another sed to replace all .

[17-Aug-2011 18:25:29] <rmatte> k

[17-Aug-2011 18:25:56] <rmatte> underscores usually aren't the best idea either

[17-Aug-2011 18:26:36] <rmatte> hyphens are better

[17-Aug-2011 18:26:51] <rmatte> anywho, I have to head home, good luck

[17-Aug-2011 18:26:57] <Thinh> k cya

[17-Aug-2011 21:54:07] <BawlzEWon_> Hey

[17-Aug-2011 21:54:16] <BawlzEWon_> Anyone got a sec to answer a question?

[17-Aug-2011 21:56:45] <crazed> always ask

[17-Aug-2011 22:16:52] <BawlzEWon_> is there a way to add a device and just have it monitored by ICMP?

[17-Aug-2011 22:16:54] <BawlzEWon_> ping

[17-Aug-2011 22:42:18] <nyeates> yes

[17-Aug-2011 22:43:16] <nyeates> zSnmpMonitorIgnore

[17-Aug-2011 22:43:20] <nyeates> set to true

[17-Aug-2011 22:43:48] <BawlzEWon_> kk. Next question, I have been using WinAudit

[17-Aug-2011 22:43:53] <nyeates> zPingMonitorIgnore false

[17-Aug-2011 22:44:11] <nyeates> no idea

[17-Aug-2011 22:44:19] <BawlzEWon_> Is there a way I can get that level of system audit in Zenoss?

[17-Aug-2011 22:44:40] <nyeates> I would ask that in the forums, and explain what winaudit is

[17-Aug-2011 22:44:45] <BawlzEWon_> its like belarc

[17-Aug-2011 22:44:47] <BawlzEWon_> http://www.pxserver.com/WinAudit.htm

[17-Aug-2011 22:45:17] <nyeates> never heard of belarc...reading

[17-Aug-2011 22:45:49] <nyeates> audit and inventory? sounds like a CMDB

[17-Aug-2011 22:46:21] <BawlzEWon_> got a link?

[17-Aug-2011 22:46:25] <BawlzEWon_> I'll test it

[17-Aug-2011 22:46:34] <nyeates> I dont know anything about those products - search on the forums for belarc or winaudit

[17-Aug-2011 22:46:40] <nyeates> if nothing, post your original question

[17-Aug-2011 22:46:54] <nyeates> or, explain the details you are intersted in

[17-Aug-2011 22:47:00] <nyeates> ok g cya

[17-Aug-2011 22:47:32] <nyeates> a CMDB is a general term for those types of programs and others similar to them and zenoss

[17-Aug-2011 22:47:41] <nyeates> Configuration Mgmt Database

[17-Aug-2011 22:47:55] <BawlzEWon_> kk

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[18-Aug-2011 01:45:53] <blip> anyone out there who could give pointers on using tal blocks and creating reports through ZMI?

[18-Aug-2011 03:34:33] <luizzmizz> hi, you all!

[18-Aug-2011 03:35:34] <luizzmizz> i'm creating a modeler into WMIPerf for getting some parameters from windows workstations from our users, like lastlogon and other stuff

[18-Aug-2011 03:36:24] <luizzmizz> the thing is... i get to get the lastlogon, but don't know how to create a component (like as in processors or windows service) where to put it

[18-Aug-2011 03:36:51] <luizzmizz> is there any plugin i can take as reference?

[18-Aug-2011 04:00:00] <ricci> luizzmizz: check bigegor's deviceadvdetails

[18-Aug-2011 04:00:38] <luizzmizz> ricci: i'm on it, thanks!

[18-Aug-2011 07:54:03] <hmp> is there a way to see which user added a device via gui?

[18-Aug-2011 07:54:25] <hmp> need to bitchslap people who set the wrong collector

[18-Aug-2011 08:28:22] <jmp242> hmp: there doesn't seem to be

[18-Aug-2011 08:28:35] <jmp242> there are some promising looking areas, but they don't seem to actually log the user

[18-Aug-2011 08:29:04] <jmp242> i.e. under modifications, there's a user column, but for me in 3.1.0, it's blank except for /datacoll

[18-Aug-2011 08:29:12] <jmp242> which is the automatic updates zenoss does

[18-Aug-2011 08:29:19] <jmp242> this may be a bug?

[18-Aug-2011 08:29:37] <jmp242> rocket: is it supposed to fill in the webgui user there?

[18-Aug-2011 08:49:09] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[18-Aug-2011 08:52:30] <hmp> yea, there is nothing there

[18-Aug-2011 09:00:12] <JohnnyNOC> do you know what time they did that?

[18-Aug-2011 09:00:18] <JohnnyNOC> maybe you can look in the zope interface under undo

[18-Aug-2011 09:00:28] <shaym> hi all

[18-Aug-2011 09:00:39] <shaym> question about auto discovery

[18-Aug-2011 09:00:41] <JohnnyNOC> 2011-08-18 07:55:17

[18-Aug-2011 09:00:43] <JohnnyNOC> er

[18-Aug-2011 09:00:43] <JohnnyNOC>  /zport/dmd/ZenUsers/setDashboardState by zport jdoshier

[18-Aug-2011 09:00:45] <JohnnyNOC> 2011-08-18 07:55:17

[18-Aug-2011 09:00:51] <JohnnyNOC> you would see something like that perhaps

[18-Aug-2011 09:01:35] <JohnnyNOC> shaym i know nothing of autodiscovery

[18-Aug-2011 09:01:37] <JohnnyNOC> :[

[18-Aug-2011 09:01:57] <shaym> JohnnyNOC, a simple question you might know?

[18-Aug-2011 09:02:04] <JohnnyNOC> possibly

[18-Aug-2011 09:02:05] <JohnnyNOC> shoot

[18-Aug-2011 09:02:18] <shaym> based on the docs i read auto-discovery looks like its triggred manually

[18-Aug-2011 09:02:36] <shaym> rather then real auto discovery , am i missing somehting?

[18-Aug-2011 09:02:52] <fragfutter> shaym: it's by default off. you can turn it on (somewhere)

[18-Aug-2011 09:03:02] <JohnnyNOC> perhaps manually you mean by a cronjob?

[18-Aug-2011 09:03:11] <shaym> manully i mean via the web intercae

[18-Aug-2011 09:03:12] <JohnnyNOC> i noticed an auto-discovery cronjob on our zenoss setup but i think it was custom

[18-Aug-2011 09:03:15] <shaym> interface

[18-Aug-2011 09:03:22] <shaym> ah...ok

[18-Aug-2011 09:03:28] <shaym> thanks that helps

[18-Aug-2011 09:03:38] <JohnnyNOC> you're welcome

[18-Aug-2011 09:41:21] <JohnnyNOC> anyone ever delete a device class through the zmi?

[18-Aug-2011 09:41:22] <JohnnyNOC>

[18-Aug-2011 09:41:42] <JohnnyNOC> i had a device class that wouldn't delete..  presumably because i've been monkeying around with templates

[18-Aug-2011 09:44:47] <klone> what happens when you try deleting it?

[18-Aug-2011 09:45:18] <JohnnyNOC> nothing

[18-Aug-2011 09:45:24] <JohnnyNOC> this is 3.1.0 btw

[18-Aug-2011 09:45:42] <klone> it's probably puking blood in the event.log ... anything interesting in there?

[18-Aug-2011 09:45:46] <JohnnyNOC> so i went to the zmi and tried to delete the device class there

[18-Aug-2011 09:45:52] <JohnnyNOC> i dont know, i never looked..  shame on me

[18-Aug-2011 09:46:12] <JohnnyNOC> but regardless, this device class only had 3 devices in it, and it's taking forever for the page to reload after clicking delete

[18-Aug-2011 09:46:15] <JohnnyNOC> did i f myself?

[18-Aug-2011 09:46:26] <JohnnyNOC> (this is in the zmi)

[18-Aug-2011 09:46:28] <klone> nah

[18-Aug-2011 09:46:33] <klone> well, i doubt it

[18-Aug-2011 09:46:37] <JohnnyNOC> heh

[18-Aug-2011 09:46:48] <JohnnyNOC> should i wait this out?  or can i refresh the page?

[18-Aug-2011 09:47:24] <klone> i'd check the event.log and see if it's sitting at a traceback

[18-Aug-2011 09:47:55] <JohnnyNOC> ah

[18-Aug-2011 09:47:58] <JohnnyNOC> looks like it's still going

[18-Aug-2011 09:48:07] <JohnnyNOC> hrm

[18-Aug-2011 09:48:07] <JohnnyNOC> 2011-08-18T08:48:02 ERROR Zope.ZCatalog uncatalogObject unsuccessfully attempted to uncatalog an object with a uid of /zport/dmd/Devices/Server/Linux/HP/ATS/Log Servers/devices/pslewr3pomm26/os/software/lcms-1.18-0.1.beta1.el5_3.2_2.

[18-Aug-2011 09:48:17] <klone> that's ok

[18-Aug-2011 09:48:19] <JohnnyNOC> doesn't look so serious

[18-Aug-2011 09:48:35] <JohnnyNOC> i've been moving these device classes and perf templates around so i'm not surprised

[18-Aug-2011 09:48:50] <JohnnyNOC> getting jiggy with the wmi too

[18-Aug-2011 09:48:52] <JohnnyNOC> zmi

[18-Aug-2011 09:49:11] <JohnnyNOC> seems so slow

[18-Aug-2011 09:49:24] <klone> no. the hw and os stuff is no longer cataloged, however a move/delete still attempts to uncatalog those attributes and throws that message because they don't exist. you'll see those for any move/delete action

[18-Aug-2011 09:49:34] <JohnnyNOC> ah nice

[18-Aug-2011 09:49:44] <JohnnyNOC> good to know

[18-Aug-2011 09:50:22] <JohnnyNOC> 3.1.0 is growing on me

[18-Aug-2011 09:52:10] <fragfutter> JohnnyNOC: you should see a doctor

[18-Aug-2011 09:52:43] klone is now known as psyklone

[18-Aug-2011 09:53:40] <JohnnyNOC> har har har

[18-Aug-2011 09:53:41] <JohnnyNOC>

[18-Aug-2011 09:55:55] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away

[18-Aug-2011 09:59:52] <JohnnyNOC> i really wish it wouldn't try and delete those attributes that don't exist

[18-Aug-2011 10:00:03] <JohnnyNOC> with all the software packages installed it's for-ev-er

[18-Aug-2011 10:00:16] * JohnnyNOC slaps someone with a large trout

[18-Aug-2011 10:03:15] * JohnnyNOC slaps Hackman238 with a large trout

[18-Aug-2011 10:03:21] <JohnnyNOC> just cuz

[18-Aug-2011 10:05:47] <psyklone> hah!

[18-Aug-2011 10:07:30] <psyklone> JohnnyNOC, it should blow through those fairly quickly. it sounds like the server's busy. is it in the middle of a modeling job or something?

[18-Aug-2011 10:07:59] <JohnnyNOC> no

[18-Aug-2011 10:08:02] <JohnnyNOC> this is a new instance of zenoss

[18-Aug-2011 10:08:08] <JohnnyNOC> and i think i've even disabled most perf daemons

[18-Aug-2011 10:08:22] <JohnnyNOC> doesn't look like it's remodeling

[18-Aug-2011 10:08:30] <JohnnyNOC>  09:08:26 up 2 days, 20:38,  2 users,  load average: 1.99, 1.66, 1.80

[18-Aug-2011 10:08:47] <JohnnyNOC> lots of disk io tho

[18-Aug-2011 10:09:15] <JohnnyNOC> not even a lot, just more than normal

[18-Aug-2011 10:09:21] <JohnnyNOC> i think i just need to do a better job of tuning zope/zeo

[18-Aug-2011 10:10:55] <JohnnyNOC> plus it looks like it's trying to uncatalog each piece of software 4-5 times

[18-Aug-2011 10:15:44] * JohnnyNOC slaps rmatte with a large trout

[18-Aug-2011 10:15:46] <JohnnyNOC> where's the crew today

[18-Aug-2011 10:32:45] <JohnnyNOC> now i see this

[18-Aug-2011 10:32:46] <JohnnyNOC> ConflictError: database conflict error (oid 0x0b8a, class Products.ZenModel.PerformanceConf.PerformanceConf)

[18-Aug-2011 10:32:48] <JohnnyNOC> yay

[18-Aug-2011 10:49:28] <nyeates> dead in here today

[18-Aug-2011 10:49:46] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: had you zeopacked it prior to that it'd probably be faster

[18-Aug-2011 10:50:07] <rmatte> the 5 times can probably be attributed to it removing older versions of objects as well as the most current

[18-Aug-2011 10:50:47] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte man i'm zeopack'ing like all the time

[18-Aug-2011 10:50:55] <rmatte> ah, you have it scheduled?

[18-Aug-2011 10:51:00] <JohnnyNOC> at least daily

[18-Aug-2011 10:51:05] <JohnnyNOC> by default it ends up as a cronjob

[18-Aug-2011 10:51:05] <rmatte> hmm

[18-Aug-2011 10:51:12] <JohnnyNOC> but yes, i am running it manually as well

[18-Aug-2011 10:51:35] <rmatte> hmmm, you mean it's automatically added as a cron job on install now?

[18-Aug-2011 10:51:40] <rmatte> or you configured that yourself?

[18-Aug-2011 10:51:48] <JohnnyNOC> must be because i sure as hell didn't put anything in /etc/cron.daily/zenoss

[18-Aug-2011 10:52:14] <JohnnyNOC> or /etc/cron.weekly/zenoss where you find zeopack

[18-Aug-2011 10:52:25] <rmatte> ah

[18-Aug-2011 10:52:30] <rmatte> it never used to do that, cool

[18-Aug-2011 10:52:36] <JohnnyNOC> word

[18-Aug-2011 10:53:01] <rmatte> I just manually zeopack every few months myself

[18-Aug-2011 10:53:04] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates i saw some post about exchange2010 monitoring?

[18-Aug-2011 10:53:07] <JohnnyNOC> few months?!

[18-Aug-2011 10:53:11] * rmatte nods

[18-Aug-2011 10:53:17] <JohnnyNOC> how big is your Data.fs?

[18-Aug-2011 10:53:27] <rmatte> largest one is around 5GB or something

[18-Aug-2011 10:53:30] <rmatte> maybe a bit bigger

[18-Aug-2011 10:53:35] <JohnnyNOC> hrm

[18-Aug-2011 10:53:37] <JohnnyNOC> mine's only 2Gb

[18-Aug-2011 10:53:46] <rmatte> well, that's on a box with almost 500 devices on it

[18-Aug-2011 10:54:06] <JohnnyNOC> i need to look into tuning it..  i used tuned settings from our other primary zenoss server but i think it could be better

[18-Aug-2011 10:54:23] <JohnnyNOC> but is there anything other than the cache-size, pool-size, and python-check-interval i could look into

[18-Aug-2011 10:54:23] <nyeates> JohnnyNOC: Yeah someone noted that there might be a exchange2010 zenpack...I cant find it....am I blind? ...maybe its on github, i havent looked there

[18-Aug-2011 10:54:24] <JohnnyNOC> ?

[18-Aug-2011 10:54:31] <dhopp> rmatte: is that 500 devices on a single box (meaning zope/zenhub/mysql and collector all in one)?

[18-Aug-2011 10:54:36] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates i can't find it either but i am definitely interested

[18-Aug-2011 10:54:41] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte this machine has ~800

[18-Aug-2011 10:54:58] <JohnnyNOC> but it's still pretty fresh..  i haven't done anything with process/service monitoring

[18-Aug-2011 10:55:06] <rmatte> I don't think there's an exchange 2010 pack, not that I've seen anyways... we made our own, but I didn't make it, one of our windows admins is, and it hasn't been okayed for release

[18-Aug-2011 10:55:07] <JohnnyNOC> or our custom command perf templates

[18-Aug-2011 10:55:18] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte will you get that OK'd for me?

[18-Aug-2011 10:55:18] <JohnnyNOC>

[18-Aug-2011 10:55:27] <rmatte> I probably can eventually

[18-Aug-2011 10:55:33] <rmatte> though it's not that hard to just build one

[18-Aug-2011 10:55:50] <JohnnyNOC> that may be true - but for me, it's a mtter of time

[18-Aug-2011 10:55:55] <JohnnyNOC> and lack of experience creating zenpacks

[18-Aug-2011 10:56:18] <rmatte> well, making zenpacks with templates is the most braindead thing

[18-Aug-2011 10:56:21] <rmatte> there's no coding involved

[18-Aug-2011 10:56:27] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*

[18-Aug-2011 10:56:30] <JohnnyNOC> i learned that yesterday

[18-Aug-2011 10:56:30] <JohnnyNOC> heh

[18-Aug-2011 10:56:45] <JohnnyNOC> so give me some templates

[18-Aug-2011 10:57:06] <rmatte> it looks like we actually have it split in to 3 sets of templates, one for cluster resources, one for mailbox servers, and one for HubTransport-CA Servers

[18-Aug-2011 10:57:30] <JohnnyNOC> our windows admins kind of suck

[18-Aug-2011 10:57:37] <JohnnyNOC> fortunately i know they don't come here

[18-Aug-2011 10:57:38] <JohnnyNOC> :X

[18-Aug-2011 10:57:42] <rmatte> lol

[18-Aug-2011 10:57:46] <nyeates> rmatte: might that exchange2010 zp see the light of day?

[18-Aug-2011 10:57:48] <JohnnyNOC> i heard one of them have a 10 min conversation about why he didn't want to add a CNAME for a device

[18-Aug-2011 10:58:00] <JohnnyNOC> like, he needed a good reason

[18-Aug-2011 10:58:00] <rmatte> nyeates: it's possible, I'll have to see if I can get it okayed

[18-Aug-2011 10:59:17] <JohnnyNOC> i'll tell everyone Nova is awesome

[18-Aug-2011 10:59:20] <rmatte> I actually have one ZenPack that has templates for all of the different versions of Exchange in it

[18-Aug-2011 10:59:27] <rmatte> instead of having separate packs for each

[18-Aug-2011 10:59:31] <JohnnyNOC> nice

[18-Aug-2011 10:59:48] <nyeates> meta pack

[18-Aug-2011 11:00:00] <JohnnyNOC> MeGaPaCK

[18-Aug-2011 11:00:11] <rmatte> yeh, the 2003 and 2007 templates are from the community, but we've enhanced them

[18-Aug-2011 11:00:18] <rmatte> and the 2010 ZenPack is all ours

[18-Aug-2011 11:00:44] <nyeates> who else at nova devs zenpacks ryan?

[18-Aug-2011 11:00:58] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: at a previous job we were on Exchange 2003 and discussing upgrading to 2007 but 2010 was already out and I asked the question of why we don't just upgrade to 2010.  And the Windows admin said..and I quote…"If we upgrade to 2010 now what are we going to do next year?  The way I look at it is if we upgrade to 2007 we will have work to do to upgrade to 2010.  More work the better is the way I look at it"

[18-Aug-2011 11:01:04] <rmatte> just one other person who is also named Ryan

[18-Aug-2011 11:01:10] <dhopp> so I offered he could take some of my work if he needed more

[18-Aug-2011 11:01:18] <rmatte> but he's only done those Exchange templates

[18-Aug-2011 11:01:25] <rmatte> I'm the one who actually Zenpacked them

[18-Aug-2011 11:01:50] <rmatte> He has a lot of WMI knowledge (and hates WMI)

[18-Aug-2011 11:01:51] <rmatte> lol

[18-Aug-2011 11:02:13] <jmp242> WMI always seems incomprehensible to me

[18-Aug-2011 11:02:38] <nyeates> dhopp: sounds like twisted logic

[18-Aug-2011 11:02:43] <JohnnyNOC> dhopp that's ridiculous

[18-Aug-2011 11:02:53] <JohnnyNOC> i think part of our problem is we were a windows shop, becoming a linux shop

[18-Aug-2011 11:02:55] <rmatte> WMI queries are pretty similar to stuff like SQL

[18-Aug-2011 11:02:56] <dhopp> nyeates / JohnnyNOC: and he said with our manager in the room

[18-Aug-2011 11:02:56] <JohnnyNOC> and their roles are being diminished

[18-Aug-2011 11:03:04] <JohnnyNOC> and they spend a lot of time in the datacenters

[18-Aug-2011 11:03:18] <nyeates> Hey we Have Eric Miller here today everyone, say hi

[18-Aug-2011 11:03:25] <JohnnyNOC> i think they see the writing on the wall

[18-Aug-2011 11:03:30] <JohnnyNOC> hello Eric Miller

[18-Aug-2011 11:03:46] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates tell rhoulihan i said thanks for hooking up the IBM guy i'm working with with a Zenoss developer

[18-Aug-2011 11:03:50] <JohnnyNOC> that's super appreciated

[18-Aug-2011 11:04:27] <nyeates> if u all have an dev Qs, or otherwiuse, ask away

[18-Aug-2011 11:04:48] <nyeates> JohnnyNOC: np

[18-Aug-2011 11:07:23] <JohnnyNOC> what can i do to speed zope/zeo up?  besides the cache-size and pool-size settings in zope.conf

[18-Aug-2011 11:07:29] <JohnnyNOC> or put it on a ramdisk

[18-Aug-2011 11:07:39] <dhopp> I'm using 3.1 and when looking at graphs for a device if I zoom in/out or change from the default hourly when Zenoss auto refreshes it goes back to hourly zoom level…anyway to prevent that/

[18-Aug-2011 11:07:40] <dhopp> ?

[18-Aug-2011 11:07:51] <nyeates> the ramdisk solution is hairy.... difficult to do

[18-Aug-2011 11:07:58] <rmatte> well, Hackman has some way of configuring it to run multiple zopes on a single server which apparently really helps with performance

[18-Aug-2011 11:07:59] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: do you have multiple zopes?

[18-Aug-2011 11:08:04] <rmatte> you can ask him about it next time you see him

[18-Aug-2011 11:08:21] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates i just have this new 3.1.0 setup that isn't doing much and removed some devices from the zmi and it took forever to remove 3

[18-Aug-2011 11:08:32] <JohnnyNOC> or hell, to even add 5 devices it takes what i perceive to be too long

[18-Aug-2011 11:08:34] <nyeates> JohnnyNOC: have you poured over our performance KnowledgeBase article yet?

[18-Aug-2011 11:08:40] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: docs/DOC-8507

[18-Aug-2011 11:09:09] <JohnnyNOC> hrm

[18-Aug-2011 11:09:17] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates yes and i've tuned it accordingly

[18-Aug-2011 11:09:20] <JohnnyNOC> but it's still too slow for me

[18-Aug-2011 11:09:28] <JohnnyNOC> like, the nagios instance we use here is so freaking fast and snappy

[18-Aug-2011 11:09:41] <JohnnyNOC> zenoss, well, is not

[18-Aug-2011 11:09:42] <JohnnyNOC> :/

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:00] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: what kind of hardware is it running on?

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:01] <JohnnyNOC> dhopp thanks for the link, i guess i'll have to look into it, but i hate that i have to add complexity for more performance

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:07] <JohnnyNOC> good hw

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:07] <JohnnyNOC> 8cores

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:08] <rmatte> an instance with only a few devices should be fast as all hell

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:10] <JohnnyNOC> 32GB RAM

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:12] <JohnnyNOC> RAID5

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:16] <JohnnyNOC> perf on ssd

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:19] <rmatte> weird

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:19] <rocket> JohnnyNOC: I am sorry but nagios/zenoss is an apples/oranges comparison

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:22] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte it's got about 800

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:23] <dhopp> wait nagios interface is fast and snappy?  are you only monitoring like 3 devices?

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:27] <rmatte> ohhhh

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:30] <nyeates> dhopp: sounds like a bug.... another community member just opened a similar one where the 'printable' version only shows hourly views

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:32] <rmatte> I thought it only had a few

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:33] <JohnnyNOC> rocket i don't disagree there but i'm talking about the user experience at the UI

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:37] <JohnnyNOC> in that respect, it is apples to apples

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:40] <JohnnyNOC> and zenoss is freaking slow

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:44] <nyeates> dhopp: make the bug on trac and send me an email

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:46] <rocket> JohnnyNOC: however we do recognize the speed issues and 3.2 has quite a few fixes there

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:52] <JohnnyNOC> dhopp there are more than 1000 devices

[18-Aug-2011 11:10:56] <JohnnyNOC> with 10s of thousands of datapoints

[18-Aug-2011 11:11:17] <JohnnyNOC> many more than what zenoss is currently monitoring

[18-Aug-2011 11:11:47] <JohnnyNOC> and just to be clear, it's check_mk plugin

[18-Aug-2011 11:11:52] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: I just had experiences with nagios and when the status file got huge the interface was terrible…although if you are running a custom interface that pipes that status file to a db then it is probably better

[18-Aug-2011 11:12:12] <JohnnyNOC> there is no waiting when i click on links

[18-Aug-2011 11:12:17] <JohnnyNOC> (in nagios/check_mk)

[18-Aug-2011 11:12:29] <JohnnyNOC> and this runs on the same box

[18-Aug-2011 11:12:45] <JohnnyNOC> anyway, i'm just trying to figure out what else i can do to improve my performance.  and i guess i have to look into multiple zopes

[18-Aug-2011 11:13:29] <nyeates> JohnnyNOC: what troubleshooting have you done to determine where the bottleneck lays?

[18-Aug-2011 11:13:47] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates thus far not much..  it's a pretty fresh install, i was going to save the tuning for later

[18-Aug-2011 11:13:57] <JohnnyNOC> but i've done the basics as laid out in the zenoss tuning docs in the forums

[18-Aug-2011 11:14:05] <nyeates> JOhnnyNOC: it could be in perf collection, modeling, zenhub backing up for various reasons, ram limitations, etc..... need to know what it is first in order to remedy

[18-Aug-2011 11:14:15] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC:  you have also tweaked mysql too right?

[18-Aug-2011 11:14:38] <JohnnyNOC> dhopp yes

[18-Aug-2011 11:14:48] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates i've disabled most of my perf daemons

[18-Aug-2011 11:14:50] <JohnnyNOC> there's 32GB ram on this box

[18-Aug-2011 11:14:59] <JohnnyNOC> zeo cache size is 2.5GB

[18-Aug-2011 11:15:02] <JohnnyNOC> my Data.fs is 2GB

[18-Aug-2011 11:15:23] <nyeates> even before tweaking, you need to monitor and look into the guts of zenoss and figure out where it is being slowed down - otherwise you are guessing

[18-Aug-2011 11:15:25] <JohnnyNOC> cache-size is 15000000, i haven't checked how many objects are in zope

[18-Aug-2011 11:15:28] <rocket> JohnnyNOC: if your mysql is not tuned that usually is a big one as zenoss is doing full table scans

[18-Aug-2011 11:15:36] <rocket> JohnnyNOC: wget mysqltuner.pl

[18-Aug-2011 11:15:43] <JohnnyNOC> rocket already done

[18-Aug-2011 11:15:43] <nyeates> can you post your collector graphs? .... like the ones that monitor your zenoss collector?

[18-Aug-2011 11:15:50] <JohnnyNOC> and i've used it's recommendations

[18-Aug-2011 11:16:03] <emillerzenoss> a very tardy hello back to you, Johnny. I am reading through this now, trying to come up with any better suggestions ...

[18-Aug-2011 11:16:06] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates mmm yea i could

[18-Aug-2011 11:16:14] <JohnnyNOC> would take some effort tho, not easy to share stuff out of the firm

[18-Aug-2011 11:16:28] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates how do i look into the guts and figure out where it's being slowed down?

[18-Aug-2011 11:16:34] <JohnnyNOC> i've tuned mysql, i've tuned zope

[18-Aug-2011 11:16:37] <JohnnyNOC> the server is beefy

[18-Aug-2011 11:16:39] <JohnnyNOC> the load is low

[18-Aug-2011 11:16:44] <JohnnyNOC> the UI is a pain to use

[18-Aug-2011 11:16:52] <fragfutter> JohnnyNOC: Disk IO

[18-Aug-2011 11:17:00] <rmatte> yeh, has to be disk IO

[18-Aug-2011 11:17:12] <JohnnyNOC> not really

[18-Aug-2011 11:17:12] <rmatte> even RAID 5 will only cut it for so long

[18-Aug-2011 11:17:24] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: what does free -m look like?

[18-Aug-2011 11:17:27] <JohnnyNOC> iowait is pretty much 0

[18-Aug-2011 11:17:45] <JohnnyNOC>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached

[18-Aug-2011 11:17:45] <JohnnyNOC> Mem:         32240      13876      18364          0        561       7801

[18-Aug-2011 11:17:45] <JohnnyNOC> -/+ buffers/cache:       5513      26727

[18-Aug-2011 11:17:45] <JohnnyNOC> Swap:         2047          5       2042

[18-Aug-2011 11:17:53] <JohnnyNOC> 18G free

[18-Aug-2011 11:18:01] <JohnnyNOC> innodb_buffer_pool_size is set to something like 6GB

[18-Aug-2011 11:18:02] <JohnnyNOC> er

[18-Aug-2011 11:18:04] <JohnnyNOC> 8GB

[18-Aug-2011 11:18:04] <nyeates> I have used the collector graphs to look at cycle times, see if there is aberations, look at various daemon performance like zenactions, zenwinperf, (those are simply examples). I had to compare them to a known good server though, so this may be difficult. But those graphs can give you ideas on where stuff may be getting clogged up. Also watch top and see memory usage. Hit the 'c' key to see which processes take up CPU

[18-Aug-2011 11:18:35] <JohnnyNOC> it's normally zenhub using the most cpu

[18-Aug-2011 11:18:39] <JohnnyNOC> or run_zope

[18-Aug-2011 11:18:41] <rmatte> or use htop and sort by cpu which is a nicer way to visualize

[18-Aug-2011 11:18:47] <JohnnyNOC> yes i use htop

[18-Aug-2011 11:18:51] <nyeates> If there is high wa (wait) cpu being used....disk io is yer problem

[18-Aug-2011 11:19:09] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: how many cores?  have you increased zenhub workers?

[18-Aug-2011 11:19:19] <emillerzenoss> people/simon/blog/2011/07/01/improve-your-31-ui-today

[18-Aug-2011 11:19:26] <JohnnyNOC> dhopp 8 cores

[18-Aug-2011 11:19:30] <JohnnyNOC> workers is set to 6-7

[18-Aug-2011 11:19:57] <dhopp> you might want to lower that to 4 or 5…and leave some cores for mysql and zope

[18-Aug-2011 11:19:58] <JohnnyNOC> emillerzenoss thanks i'll halve to look into that

[18-Aug-2011 11:20:08] <JohnnyNOC> dhopp *nod*

[18-Aug-2011 11:20:18] <JohnnyNOC> workers 6

[18-Aug-2011 11:20:18] <JohnnyNOC> cachesize 16000

[18-Aug-2011 11:20:18] <JohnnyNOC> pcachesize 4500

[18-Aug-2011 11:20:25] <JohnnyNOC> (i'm not using a persistent cache)

[18-Aug-2011 11:20:29] <JohnnyNOC> so i guess that line can be removed

[18-Aug-2011 11:20:37] <Hackman238> Hi all, sorry I'm late

[18-Aug-2011 11:20:42] <JohnnyNOC> but iw ant to bump up cachesize as much as it makes sense as i have plenty of avail memory

[18-Aug-2011 11:20:46] <emillerzenoss> following that article will buy you most of the improvements that will arrive with 3.2, which will come out very soon, also

[18-Aug-2011 11:20:48] <Hackman238> Was down town working on NPO for ZCA

[18-Aug-2011 11:20:49] * JohnnyNOC slaps Hackman238 around with a large trout

[18-Aug-2011 11:21:02] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Ugh...not even a Bass...

[18-Aug-2011 11:21:17] <JohnnyNOC> hehe

[18-Aug-2011 11:21:20] <JohnnyNOC> we missed you

[18-Aug-2011 11:21:25] <Hackman238> I bed

[18-Aug-2011 11:21:27] <Hackman238> *bet

[18-Aug-2011 11:21:29] <Hackman238> LOL

[18-Aug-2011 11:21:36] <Hackman238> Good news and bad news

[18-Aug-2011 11:21:45] <JohnnyNOC> good

[18-Aug-2011 11:22:07] <Hackman238> Good news is a Non profit for the ZCA to handel money and limit liability is the best option, especially with me being here in super de-regulated Texas

[18-Aug-2011 11:22:24] <Hackman238> Bad news is its more complicated than a regular business...go figure. LOL

[18-Aug-2011 11:22:37] <JohnnyNOC> any recommendations on values for cachesize in zenhub.conf?

[18-Aug-2011 11:22:44] <nyeates> emillerzenoss: you involved in any 3.2 release work? hows it going - still aimed for aug or begining of sept?

[18-Aug-2011 11:22:50] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: It depends on the number of devices being configured

[18-Aug-2011 11:22:57] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 let's say 1000

[18-Aug-2011 11:23:45] <emillerzenoss> i did some work that went into 3.2 while on a cust. engagement last month. those times sound right to me

[18-Aug-2011 11:23:54] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Well I no sites that small, but ours are set universally to 100000 and pcache 2000

[18-Aug-2011 11:24:08] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 are you using a persistent disk cache?

[18-Aug-2011 11:24:11] <JohnnyNOC> i assume that's what pcahce is?

[18-Aug-2011 11:24:50] <JohnnyNOC> we aren't using the persistent disk cache

[18-Aug-2011 11:25:04] <JohnnyNOC> (it's commented in zope.conf) .. should we be?

[18-Aug-2011 11:25:41] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Its my understanding its a persistant cache for the daemon

[18-Aug-2011 11:26:00] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Long as the cache isnt invalidated, it helpd the daemon start back up faster

[18-Aug-2011 11:26:16] <JohnnyNOC> i'm not worried about startup times so much

[18-Aug-2011 11:26:26] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Not 100% sure my understanding is correct, but it sure seems like that's what it is

[18-Aug-2011 11:26:41] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: On our smallest DC we have 5K devices

[18-Aug-2011 11:27:06] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Try a cache value of 10000

[18-Aug-2011 11:27:14] <Hackman238> ...or 50000

[18-Aug-2011 11:27:21] <JohnnyNOC> i'm bumping it up to 64000

[18-Aug-2011 11:27:23] <nyeates> JohnnyNOC: do particular ui pages take longer to load? Is it just the ui that is slow, or are you dropping collection or event or other non-ui things?

[18-Aug-2011 11:27:25] <xuru> morning everyone

[18-Aug-2011 11:27:28] <JohnnyNOC> i have plenty of available ram

[18-Aug-2011 11:27:36] <nyeates> hi xuru

[18-Aug-2011 11:27:37] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates i'm only noticing it in the UI at this point

[18-Aug-2011 11:27:44] <Hackman238> Hi xuru

[18-Aug-2011 11:27:51] <JohnnyNOC> i haven't done much otherwise, this is a new install i'm setting up to duplicate an old broke 2.5.2 install

[18-Aug-2011 11:28:02] <emillerzenoss> DISCLAIMER: while the last article about pulling down the Products from trunk was easy and very safe, this next one requires far more care and bravery