[01-Jul-2010 10:01:04] <mray> Welcome to another Zenoss Developer IRC Session, kells is on deck today and other Zenoss devs are in the channel
[01-Jul-2010 10:01:17] <kells> The model might also be messed up
[01-Jul-2010 10:01:25] <kells> Oh! SNMP, right
[01-Jul-2010 10:01:53] <ad4m> yes, snmp
[01-Jul-2010 10:02:15] <ad4m> I don't really care about the data that's been collected so far, so I can just delete it all without backing it up.
[01-Jul-2010 10:02:53] <kells> SNMP data collection works strictly off of index numbers, btw. So whatever the index was determined to be from the last model is what zenoss thinks is going on.  So the model (ie what is the max size) can be different than what zenpersnmp collects (ie the entry and snmp index X is pointing to a different filesystem)
[01-Jul-2010 10:03:20] <kells> So hence you can get strange numbers occasionally from the SNMP agent if the model and the collection part are out of sync
[01-Jul-2010 10:03:31] <kells> Try running zenmodeler again first
[01-Jul-2010 10:03:39] <ad4m> I've re-modeled the system several times
[01-Jul-2010 10:04:41] <kells> Check the snmp indxe for the boot filesystem, and then compare it against the table order to make sure that what the device says is at /boot and then see what zenperfsnmp run -v10 -d device --showdeviceresults says is coming back at that OID
[01-Jul-2010 10:05:36] <kells> I'm making the somewhat safe assumption that /boot isn't insanely huge (like 3TB) and is an easily representable 32-bit number
[01-Jul-2010 10:06:22] <ad4m> Yes, that's correct, /boot is ~200MB
[01-Jul-2010 10:06:30] <ad4m> Let me try that last bit and get back to you
[01-Jul-2010 10:09:35] Simon4_ is now known as Simon4
[01-Jul-2010 10:09:52] <nickanderson> hello
[01-Jul-2010 10:13:08] <mray>  greetings
[01-Jul-2010 10:14:17] <ckrough> hello
[01-Jul-2010 10:15:53] <malbon> hello
[01-Jul-2010 10:17:11] <nickanderson> Hey mray did you ever grab that aggregate pdu zenpack?
[01-Jul-2010 10:17:33] <mray> nickanderson: I did, it's #1 on my list of zenpacks to publish today
[01-Jul-2010 10:17:44] <mray> my laptop died Wednesday of last week when I was at Velocity
[01-Jul-2010 10:17:57] <nickanderson> cool, ive been busy so haven't had time to think about it
[01-Jul-2010 10:18:00] <nickanderson> suck
[01-Jul-2010 10:18:04] <mray> so I was out of commission until yesterday
[01-Jul-2010 10:18:13] <mray> today is zenpacks, zenpacks, zenpacks
[01-Jul-2010 10:19:23] <jdross> speaking of zenpacks, does anyone know of a zenpack for ssh collection for a free bsd host
[01-Jul-2010 10:19:24] <mray> Aggregate PDU, 64-bit MSSQL, HP Printer Trap Transforms, SNMP Location, MySQL SSH, SQL Data Source, Zeus Load Balancers, Open Gear MIBs, Open Gear Console Server and MSMQ
[01-Jul-2010 10:19:38] <nickanderson> bah, thats a lot of zenpacks 
[01-Jul-2010 10:19:49] * Simon4 won't add to that list today 
[01-Jul-2010 10:19:57] <mray> nickanderson: plus a few updates: memcached and Cfengine
[01-Jul-2010 10:20:03] <mray> Simon4: please send more
[01-Jul-2010 10:20:21] <Simon4> mray: I need to finish doco, probably get it done tongith after work
[01-Jul-2010 10:20:27] * nickanderson is ready for the ui refresh
[01-Jul-2010 10:20:33] <mray> jdross: my goal with my half-finished OS X ZenPack tutorial series was that someone would pick that up and do FreeBSD
[01-Jul-2010 10:20:49] <mray> jdross: docs/DOC-5857
[01-Jul-2010 10:20:59] <mray> jdross: docs/DOC-5865
[01-Jul-2010 10:22:28] <Simon4> question for the Devs re: zenpacks... is it possible for a custom command parser to update more than one component on a device?
[01-Jul-2010 10:22:56] <jdross> Ill have to look through that, because I was considering writing it myself anyway since i couldnt find one
[01-Jul-2010 10:23:09] <mray> jdross: I'm happy to answer questions
[01-Jul-2010 10:23:33] <Simon4> currently from my limited experience it seems you need a command per component, which is a bit wasteful when the command in question returns the data for all components anyway
[01-Jul-2010 10:24:17] <mray> kells?
[01-Jul-2010 10:24:36] <kells> That's currently a limitation of the parser format atm 
[01-Jul-2010 10:24:53] <kells> If we're talking about subcomponents, the story is a little different, of course
[01-Jul-2010 10:25:38] <kells> But subcomponents are, ahem, in flux
[01-Jul-2010 10:25:46] <Simon4> k
[01-Jul-2010 10:25:58] <Simon4> well at least I know I'm doing it as well as I can currently - cheers 
[01-Jul-2010 10:34:26] <malbon> folks, we have 2.4.2 and are trying to inject REST events, has this interface broken?
[01-Jul-2010 10:34:44] <kells> Oh dear.....
[01-Jul-2010 10:35:28] <kells> There's a few 'differences' between 2.3, 2.4.2, 2.4.5 and 2.5.x wrt REST, IIRC
[01-Jul-2010 10:36:03] <kells> What is the error message?
[01-Jul-2010 10:36:12] <jmp242> FWIW -  I think I fixed my problem
[01-Jul-2010 10:36:14] <kells> As well as an example REST statement
[01-Jul-2010 10:36:23] <kells> Oh?  What was it?
[01-Jul-2010 10:36:25] <jmp242> it turned out to be fileystem permissions after all
[01-Jul-2010 10:36:33] <kells> Doh!
[01-Jul-2010 10:36:34] <jmp242> our change from 32 bit to 64 bit
[01-Jul-2010 10:36:41] <kells> zensocket?
[01-Jul-2010 10:36:42] <jmp242> changed /opt/zenoss/perf to root root
[01-Jul-2010 10:36:48] <kells> DOH!
[01-Jul-2010 10:36:51] <jmp242> rahter than root zenoss lol
[01-Jul-2010 10:36:58] <jmp242> so no write access then lol
[01-Jul-2010 10:37:01] <malbon> kells: being directed to the login page.
[01-Jul-2010 10:37:54] <malbon> sorry my bad, we are on 2.4.5 until this coming weekend
[01-Jul-2010 10:37:57] <kells> The username/password in the REST are correct, right?
[01-Jul-2010 10:38:05] <malbon> yeah I can log in using them.
[01-Jul-2010 10:39:36] <mray> In case you missed it, we beta #4 was released yesterday
[01-Jul-2010 10:39:56] <mray> and… we put out a press release at Cisco Live announcing 3.0 will be released in July
[01-Jul-2010 10:40:02] <malbon> mray: what's new in 3.0 for the time impaired?
[01-Jul-2010 10:40:11] <mray> malbon: more unicorns
[01-Jul-2010 10:40:12] <nickanderson> new UI
[01-Jul-2010 10:40:48] <malbon> mray: ok, that sounds like it is worth having.
[01-Jul-2010 10:40:56] <mray> malbon: for enterprise: http://www.zenoss.com/about/news/Zenoss_Introduces_Dynamic_Service_Assurance_Vision_with_Release_of_Enterprise_3_0.html
[01-Jul-2010 10:41:13] <mray> for Core: new UI, gobs of bug fixes
[01-Jul-2010 10:41:51] <mray> Python 2.6, Zope 2.12
[01-Jul-2010 10:41:57] <kells> malborn: 2.4.5 had something weird about it
[01-Jul-2010 10:41:58] <mray> documented REST API 
[01-Jul-2010 10:42:09] <malbon> mray: funny I read that yesterday. I found it content-lite
[01-Jul-2010 10:42:30] <mray> malbon: let me throw up a screenshot of what they were talking about
[01-Jul-2010 10:43:34] <malbon> mray: sounds good.
[01-Jul-2010 10:43:36] <mray> http://imagebin.org/103685
[01-Jul-2010 10:44:24] <malbon> I'll open a case for my REST issue
[01-Jul-2010 10:44:43] <malbon> mray: yes, ok, but that is only for the Cisco stack right?
[01-Jul-2010 10:44:48] <mray> malbon: nope
[01-Jul-2010 10:44:55] <malbon> mray: no?
[01-Jul-2010 10:45:05] <mray> right now it's Cisco, VMware, NetApp, Brocade so far
[01-Jul-2010 10:45:22] <mray> if you're not using Cisco, you won't see that layer
[01-Jul-2010 10:45:23] <malbon> mray: no IBM or HP?
[01-Jul-2010 10:45:30] <mray> malbon: slowly getting to them
[01-Jul-2010 10:45:46] * ckrough drool
[01-Jul-2010 10:45:54] <malbon> mray: ok, fair enough.
[01-Jul-2010 10:46:07] <kells> malborn: if you're moving from 2.4.5 to 2.5.2, then you might want to wait on the REST issue
[01-Jul-2010 10:46:14] <mray> since you're on 2.4, in 2.5.2 they added the Data Center View: http://imagebin.org/103686 and http://imagebin.org/103687
[01-Jul-2010 10:46:27] <malbon> kells: yeah quite possibly.
[01-Jul-2010 10:47:07] <malbon> mray: actually I think that bit is quite neat.
[01-Jul-2010 10:47:26] <malbon> mray: documents stuff nicely. now only if Zenoss could organise patching lists.
[01-Jul-2010 10:47:43] <kells> mray: Egads man!  The VMware - NetApp link barely started working yesterday afternoon 
[01-Jul-2010 10:47:57] <mray> kells: I'm just letting people know you're busy 
[01-Jul-2010 10:48:12] <kells> AFAIK, Brocade won't have the link support
[01-Jul-2010 10:48:26] <mray> there are a ton of other fixes and enhancements across the board, for Core and Enterprise
[01-Jul-2010 10:48:41] <malbon> kells: work harder.... 
[01-Jul-2010 10:48:46] <kells> There's a slightly updated Brocade UI, however
[01-Jul-2010 10:49:18] <kells> Heh.  We just need some FC stuff to test against and things would go a bit better.
[01-Jul-2010 10:49:47] <malbon> kells: contact me by email. I can provide some test fibre stuff, and potentially snmp walks of our live.
[01-Jul-2010 10:50:01] <kells> Sweet!  Thanks!
[01-Jul-2010 10:50:06] <malbon> kells: via webex or equiv if required.
[01-Jul-2010 10:50:09] <ad4m> kells: I found the index for the /boot filesystem and ran that command you gave me, but I didn't get much output from it.  Is that normal?  I definitely didn't see any OID type information.
[01-Jul-2010 10:51:08] <kells> ad4m: Sometimes zenperfsnmp doesn't catch the configuration info before the cycle starts, so you need to run zenperfsnmp with -c and then kill it after it collects some perf data
[01-Jul-2010 10:51:17] <malbon> kells: actually I'll check with our 24 hour guys if they mind setting up sessions because are you in EST or another US timezone?
[01-Jul-2010 10:52:12] <kells> EST or EDT (I can never remember :))
[01-Jul-2010 10:52:23] <malbon> eastern seaboard?
[01-Jul-2010 10:53:05] <kells> Toronto
[01-Jul-2010 10:53:20] <malbon> ok, cool. that is doable then, GMT+5
[01-Jul-2010 10:56:00] <ad4m> kells: I'm actually seeing a log line that might indicate a problem loading configuration for the device... WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error loading config for devices ['web10']
[01-Jul-2010 10:56:02] <Parabola> good morning
[01-Jul-2010 10:56:15] <ali3n0> hi guys, is a virtualbox appliance coming for beta 3.0?
[01-Jul-2010 10:56:26] <Parabola> I setup Zenoss last night because i was tired of wasting my time trying to get zabbix up and running 
[01-Jul-2010 10:56:39] <Parabola> I could use a little direction if thats alright
[01-Jul-2010 10:56:47] <Parabola> I grabbed a WMI zenpack and got that installed
[01-Jul-2010 10:57:08] <ad4m> kells: Is that normal or something to work out?
[01-Jul-2010 10:57:13] <kells> ad4m: Is there a corresponding error in the zenhub.log file around the same time?  Probably a traceback?
[01-Jul-2010 10:57:18] <mray> ali3n0: no, there will be the usual VMware appliance, but that's the only virtual appliance provided by Zenoss
[01-Jul-2010 10:57:25] <Parabola> i'm not really sure what to do now, is there a nice setup guide?
[01-Jul-2010 10:57:44] <mray> Parabola: community/documentation has the Getting Started Guide
[01-Jul-2010 10:57:46] <ali3n0> mray, ah ok, tnx anyway
[01-Jul-2010 10:57:48] <Parabola> my end goal is to monitor windows services
[01-Jul-2010 10:57:51] <Parabola> can zenoss do taht?
[01-Jul-2010 10:57:56] <Parabola> i have not seen an agent
[01-Jul-2010 10:58:04] <mray> Parabola: yes, out of the box
[01-Jul-2010 10:58:12] <Parabola> oh okay thank you
[01-Jul-2010 10:58:14] <ali3n0> mray, can I ask you why you chose vm instead of vbox?
[01-Jul-2010 10:58:15] <mray> Parabola: docs/DOC-2606 has the Getting Started Webinar video
[01-Jul-2010 10:58:33] <Parabola> if i have any stupdi questiosn may i ask here?
[01-Jul-2010 10:58:55] <kells> ad4m: I'm also assuming that web10 is the box in question, right?
[01-Jul-2010 10:58:55] <mray> ali3n0: not specifically my choice, but I'm pretty sure that's what rPath supported
[01-Jul-2010 10:59:10] <mray> ali3n0: and since VMware Player is free on Windows, that's what we targetted
[01-Jul-2010 10:59:17] <ad4m> kells: Yes, one of the 4 boxes
[01-Jul-2010 10:59:32] <ali3n0> mray, I was just curious
[01-Jul-2010 10:59:56] <mray> ali3n0: we may be revisiting the vmware appliance after 3.0 is released
[01-Jul-2010 11:00:05] <nickanderson> you know thats the second time in a week I have heard "Was setting up zabbix, got frustrated and installed Zenoss"
[01-Jul-2010 11:00:06] <ali3n0> I'm on linux and I'd like to try zenoss out so it would be good for me
[01-Jul-2010 11:00:23] <mray> ali3n0: I believe there's a VMware Player for Linux
[01-Jul-2010 11:00:25] <nickanderson> ali3n0: there is vmware player for linux as well
[01-Jul-2010 11:00:27] <Parabola> there is
[01-Jul-2010 11:00:33] <ali3n0> uh, ok I'll try it out
[01-Jul-2010 11:00:35] <Parabola> i know what he means though
[01-Jul-2010 11:00:41] <Parabola> i like vbox better too
[01-Jul-2010 11:00:42] <mray> ali3n0: plus the stack installer is really simple
[01-Jul-2010 11:00:53] <nickanderson> yeh i use vbox
[01-Jul-2010 11:00:55] <mray> so you could just install it on a VM on vbox
[01-Jul-2010 11:00:56] <ali3n0> I use to prefer opensource stuff so I always tried vbox before
[01-Jul-2010 11:01:21] <ali3n0> ok I'll try it out right now, thanks
[01-Jul-2010 11:01:23] <nickanderson> ali3n0: i think you can convert the image to vbox as well
[01-Jul-2010 11:01:34] <Parabola> when you say 3.0 beta, are you speaking of a zenoss beta, if so should i use that instead of the stable?
[01-Jul-2010 11:01:40] <mray> Parabola: community/about/webinars is the Getting Started Webinar, next one is July 13
[01-Jul-2010 11:01:47] <ali3n0> nickanderson, going to know in a sec 
[01-Jul-2010 11:02:14] <mray> Parabola: are you planning on going into production this month?
[01-Jul-2010 11:02:15] <ali3n0> uh, July 13! cool I have to bookmark this
[01-Jul-2010 11:02:21] <Parabola> mray yep
[01-Jul-2010 11:02:27] <Parabola> this week
[01-Jul-2010 11:02:28] <Parabola> lol
[01-Jul-2010 11:02:35] <mray> Parabola: 3.0 is currently in beta, but will be officially released this month
[01-Jul-2010 11:02:35] <Parabola> today if i can get it done
[01-Jul-2010 11:02:58] <malbon> kells: arranged with the 24 hour guys, early next week ok?
[01-Jul-2010 11:04:01] <ali3n0> mray, july 13: will you show beta3?
[01-Jul-2010 11:04:24] <mray> ali3n0: hmmm… I typically do the webinars with the current stable release
[01-Jul-2010 11:04:48] <ali3n0> ok. last one was the Baltimore one, right?
[01-Jul-2010 11:05:23] <mray> ali3n0: the webinars are every 2 weeks.  The next free day of training is at Ohio LinuxFest
[01-Jul-2010 11:05:53] <ali3n0> mray, ah, sorry, I was thinking about the free video tutorial I've found on the community site
[01-Jul-2010 11:06:10] <kells> malborn: Might have to bump out to a little later -- we have some scheduled meetings at the beginning (after the Zenoss Monday holiday)
[01-Jul-2010 11:06:11] <mray> yeah, that was from LISA in Baltimore last November
[01-Jul-2010 11:07:12] <ali3n0> any chance to get Ohio LinuxFest videos?
[01-Jul-2010 11:07:15] <kells> m4adm: That might mean that it might be fastest to remove the device and re-add it (ie web10)
[01-Jul-2010 11:07:24] <malbon> kells: when ever suits.
[01-Jul-2010 11:07:41] <mray> ali3n0: I'll look into it, we should have updated training materials and it'll be over the 3.0 UI by then (September)
[01-Jul-2010 11:07:50] <kells> Coolio.  I have to check with one other guy here to line up some time.  Thanks again!
[01-Jul-2010 11:08:00] <ali3n0> mray, great. the LISA one is very very good stuff for a beginner
[01-Jul-2010 11:08:29] <ali3n0> never told you thanks enough for the great community effort you do
[01-Jul-2010 11:08:52] <mray> thanks!
[01-Jul-2010 11:09:01] <ali3n0> hope your project will be inspiring for other OSS projects too
[01-Jul-2010 11:09:20] <ali3n0> I'm pretty sure it is already for a lot of coders out there
[01-Jul-2010 11:09:28] <mray> looking forward to LISA this year, back in San Jose, CA
[01-Jul-2010 11:09:33] <Parabola> odd
[01-Jul-2010 11:09:50] <Parabola> when i installed zenoss, the only method of data collection i have is SNMP
[01-Jul-2010 11:09:59] <Parabola> and i dont think thats working
[01-Jul-2010 11:10:05] <Parabola> its just using ping right now on the two hosts i added
[01-Jul-2010 11:10:20] <mray> Parabola: make sure your devices are in the right device class
[01-Jul-2010 11:10:20] <ad4m> kells: I'm not seeing anything in the zenhub.log for times when I ran zenperfsnmp.  I've got to run now though, so thanks for your help.  If you're around when I get back I'll catch up with you then.
[01-Jul-2010 11:10:31] <Parabola> mray: they are
[01-Jul-2010 11:10:33] <Parabola> one is windows
[01-Jul-2010 11:10:37] <Parabola> another is linux, which is accurate
[01-Jul-2010 11:10:48] <mray> Parabola: and you've got the right credentials in place and everything?
[01-Jul-2010 11:11:00] <ali3n0> mray, talking about inspiration, I was looking for a new language to learn and I chose python, 99% because of zenoss is
[01-Jul-2010 11:11:03] <Parabola> creds? no
[01-Jul-2010 11:11:04] <mray> Parabola: service monitoring requires WMI creds
[01-Jul-2010 11:11:11] <Parabola> i figured as much
[01-Jul-2010 11:11:13] <Parabola> it never prompted
[01-Jul-2010 11:11:16] <ali3n0> maybe not 99% but you get the point 
[01-Jul-2010 11:12:13] <Parabola> this is a little much
[01-Jul-2010 11:12:29] <Parabola> what sectiosn do i need to read to get this working, i don thave time to read a 190 page PDF right now 
[01-Jul-2010 11:12:40] <Parabola> i need to get this up and running, im on page like, 16 lol
[01-Jul-2010 11:14:35] <Parabola> im under the status of the windows box
[01-Jul-2010 11:14:39] <Parabola> i click edit, theres lots of shit
[01-Jul-2010 11:14:47] <Parabola> nothing about credentials
[01-Jul-2010 11:14:57] <Parabola> and most of this this product should be able to detect on its own anyway
[01-Jul-2010 11:15:30] <kells> Okay, I'm back to the mines!  Later