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[01-Nov-2009 02:07:50] <davetoo> wtf
[01-Nov-2009 02:08:11] <davetoo> how can an object have two properties of the same name?
[01-Nov-2009 02:15:43] <Skaag> davetoo: bug
[01-Nov-2009 02:18:29] <davetoo> yeah
[01-Nov-2009 02:18:48] <davetoo> it's not a python property, which is what boggled me
[01-Nov-2009 02:19:09] <davetoo> zope "property", which is an element of a tuple
[01-Nov-2009 02:19:15] <davetoo> now the question is how to get rid of it :)
[01-Nov-2009 02:20:13] <davetoo> fixing a bug in the transform on /Events/Perf/Filesystem/manage. Divide-by-zero error if the modeler reports 0 for a filesystem's totalBytes. There are two identical copies of the same transform there.
[01-Nov-2009 02:20:27] <davetoo> It comes from the install xml.
[01-Nov-2009 02:27:17] <davetoo> bloody....
[01-Nov-2009 02:27:31] <davetoo> the property is already defined in a mixin that they use,
[01-Nov-2009 02:27:46] <davetoo> class EventClassPropertyMixin(object):
[01-Nov-2009 02:28:03] <davetoo> asdf
[01-Nov-2009 02:28:04] <davetoo> hmm
[01-Nov-2009 02:28:32] <davetoo> _properties = (
[01-Nov-2009 02:28:32] <davetoo> {'id':'transform', 'type':'text', 'mode':'w'},
[01-Nov-2009 02:28:51] <davetoo> and then... in EventClass
[01-Nov-2009 02:29:06] <davetoo> :: _properties = Organizer._properties + \
[01-Nov-2009 02:29:06] <davetoo> EventClassPropertyMixin._properties + \
[01-Nov-2009 02:29:06] <davetoo> ({'id':'transform', 'type':'text', 'mode':'w'},)
[01-Nov-2009 02:29:20] <davetoo> D'oh!!!
[01-Nov-2009 02:33:50] <davetoo> fixed it :)
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[01-Nov-2009 11:35:24] <skipzoid> afternoon !! ppl
[01-Nov-2009 11:39:47] <skipzoid> i have an hp procurve switch that reports when a port goes on or offline, the trap is sent and logged as in summery - snmp trap hpswitch1600.2 when I access the details it says ports: port 12 is now off-line - I'd like it to say this at the summery level and not require digging for - i'm assuming i need to create an event mapping ? and in translate put something like evt.summery = ?? any guidence please?
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[01-Nov-2009 14:11:51] <davetoo1> hmm
[01-Nov-2009 15:28:05] <Diddi> Is it possible to have zenoss e-mail me a summaryreport with all events <= warning at the end of each month, or something similar?
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[01-Nov-2009 18:26:06] <davetoo1> hmm
[01-Nov-2009 18:26:18] <davetoo1> how can I change the column widths in the portal layout
[01-Nov-2009 18:26:29] <davetoo1> the asymmetrical ones are *too* asymmetrical
[01-Nov-2009 18:26:57] <davetoo1> I want something closer to 60%/40%, not what appears to be 75/25
[01-Nov-2009 18:27:57] * davetoo1 goes rooting through the .js files
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[01-Nov-2009 20:50:37] <wdw> Hi all! just tried zenoss, completely blown away, and now temporarily overwhelmed by functionality despite reading the quick-start guide.. so hanging out in case I need to tap the collective wisdom in case my RFTM'ing fails
[01-Nov-2009 20:50:39] <wdw> :)
[01-Nov-2009 22:45:56] <davetoo1> it's kind of deep
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[02-Nov-2009 00:21:10] <wdw> I'm having trouble finding information on how to affect how often zenoss should perform a check.. it seems ot be doing it once every ~3 minutes (?).. googling and reading the manual isn't coming up with anything, although this is probably becuse i haven't thought of the right language yet.. 'zenoss check resolution' and 'zenoss check schedule' and whatnot seem to bring up nothing useful.
[02-Nov-2009 00:24:43] <davetoo> depends on the daemon
[02-Nov-2009 00:24:54] <davetoo> anything that writes to the rrd files defaults to five minutes
[02-Nov-2009 00:24:58] <davetoo> zenperfsnmp, zencommand,
[02-Nov-2009 00:25:00] <davetoo> some others
[02-Nov-2009 00:25:07] <davetoo> the ping check is every minute
[02-Nov-2009 00:25:45] <davetoo> zport/dmd/Monitors/Performance/localhost
[02-Nov-2009 00:25:45] <wdw> aah.. okay, that gives me a ton to google against and read up on to compare & contrast - thanks!
[02-Nov-2009 00:25:53] <davetoo> is where most of those things are set
[02-Nov-2009 00:26:09] <davetoo> Don't try changing the intervals yet :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:26:25] <davetoo> Not until you've had a stable system for three months; then you'll understand the interactions
[02-Nov-2009 00:26:39] <davetoo> unless you're already an rrdtool guru :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:29:35] <wdw> at this point its strictly look-but-dont-touch :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:31:57] <wdw> I'm just trying to understand the basics, and my 3 things have been.. 1) 'boy, they should make it more obvious that the left-panel-dropdown-icon contains 99% of the functionality', 2) I'd better get a lot friendlier with SMNP, and 3) This is awfully cool
[02-Nov-2009 00:43:46] <davetoo> Finding the correct tab to click/link to follow is ... not very intuitive,
[02-Nov-2009 00:44:25] <wdw> yeah.. but once you get your head around the basic organizational idea.. it does start to make sense
[02-Nov-2009 00:44:34] <davetoo> but with such a large number of knobs to turn I don't know how else I'd do it :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:44:49] <wdw> yep exactly so
[02-Nov-2009 00:45:07] <davetoo> It would be great if somebody could come up with a poster that traces out all of the menu trees
[02-Nov-2009 00:46:21] <davetoo> yes, you'll need to know how to install/upgrade/configure snmpd on the monitored systems, and you'll probably want to use the snmp command-line tools for troubleshooting
[02-Nov-2009 00:46:33] <wdw> it seems that zenoss.com is set to disallow google caching, which would be fine, but a lot of the links are broken, which is kind of a double-whammy.. I can see tantalizing snippets but not the answer hehehe
[02-Nov-2009 00:46:36] <davetoo> python knowledge helps too, at almost every level
[02-Nov-2009 00:46:53] <davetoo> oh, they just switched software
[02-Nov-2009 00:47:02] <davetoo> and a lot of links are broken now,yes
[02-Nov-2009 00:47:31] <davetoo> Most of the stuff related to the Core (free/oss) product moved to a new framework
[02-Nov-2009 00:47:43] <wdw> as far as python goes.. I'm not really a python guy, but so far I've managed to get the zeneventmanager to call a custom python script I hacked together which IM's me via XMPP, so currently i'm feeling pretty good ;)
[02-Nov-2009 00:47:50] <davetoo> community/forums
[02-Nov-2009 00:48:04] <davetoo> heh
[02-Nov-2009 00:48:24] <davetoo> well you didn't need to hack that, probably,
[02-Nov-2009 00:48:49] <wdw> probably so, but after the first hour of trying to get xmppbot to play ball, i said 'screw it' and dove in
[02-Nov-2009 00:49:27] <davetoo> there is a feature called "event command", which when an event falls into that bucket via a mapping or a transform, zenoss can pipe those to a shell command, Runs once per minute.
[02-Nov-2009 00:49:50] <davetoo> so anything that could take your event on stdin and send the xmpp, would do the trick.
[02-Nov-2009 00:50:09] <wdw> ah, another thing to look up and read though :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:50:16] <wdw> It'll take me some time to de-nagios-ify my approach to everything
[02-Nov-2009 00:50:48] <davetoo> but figuring out the event system well enough to route the events into that class would probably have taken more time than what you did :) Once you figure event commands out you may want to back out the change you made.
[02-Nov-2009 00:51:46] <davetoo> pooh
[02-Nov-2009 00:51:48] <davetoo> erm, poo
[02-Nov-2009 00:51:55] <davetoo> I should be in baltimore
[02-Nov-2009 00:52:13] <davetoo> no time/money this year, though.
[02-Nov-2009 00:52:24] <wdw> family halloween?
[02-Nov-2009 00:52:36] <davetoo> In baltimore? USENIX/LISA
[02-Nov-2009 00:53:09] <wdw> oh
[02-Nov-2009 00:53:40] <wdw> other side of the pond.. so I'm not cognizant of the regional/national events
[02-Nov-2009 00:53:59] <davetoo> ah, sorry,
[02-Nov-2009 00:54:22] <davetoo> yes, I'm a few miles away from San Francisco
[02-Nov-2009 00:54:56] <wdw> no need to apologize.. my geek-pride just knee-jerked when I realized I'd missed something pretty obvious :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:57:33] <davetoo> I'm about to go to bed, though; I've burned my brain out. We're going live this week with a Zenoss Enterprise system.
[02-Nov-2009 00:57:37] <davetoo> Lots to do :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:57:44] <wdw> :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:57:49] <wdw> thank you for all the hints & help
[02-Nov-2009 00:57:53] <wdw> much appreciated
[02-Nov-2009 00:58:07] <davetoo> aye
[02-Nov-2009 00:58:10] <davetoo> good night
[02-Nov-2009 07:18:35] <Troubadix09> hello all
[02-Nov-2009 08:39:57] <Guest52705> hello
[02-Nov-2009 08:40:05] <mrayzenoss> morning
[02-Nov-2009 08:41:15] <swarog> hey, is it possible to upgrade to 2.5 core?
[02-Nov-2009 08:41:32] <swarog> i have the previous version
[02-Nov-2009 08:41:32] <mdereus> from what?
[02-Nov-2009 08:41:33] <mrayzenoss> yes, 2.5 is now available. The Installation Guide covers upgrades
[02-Nov-2009 08:41:37] <mdereus> 2.4.5?
[02-Nov-2009 08:41:59] <mdereus> I'm a Zenoss noob, the upgrade was painless.
[02-Nov-2009 08:42:05] <swarog> 2.4.5 yes
[02-Nov-2009 08:42:14] <swarog> well, ill read the docs than
[02-Nov-2009 08:42:29] <Guest52705> Alguien que hable en spañol
[02-Nov-2009 08:43:12] <Quadro> hello there
[02-Nov-2009 09:01:28] <swarog> uh, zenos apt repos is darn slow
[02-Nov-2009 09:01:49] <swarog> sometimes going below 1kB/s
[02-Nov-2009 09:18:07] <rmatte> swarog: if you're using it to monitor critical production stuff I'd advise to hold off until at least 2.5.1
[02-Nov-2009 09:18:49] <rmatte> ubuntu 9.10 is out, woot
[02-Nov-2009 09:19:31] <Guest52705> some use vmware zenoss version
[02-Nov-2009 09:20:37] <Troubadix09> guest 52705: I do
[02-Nov-2009 09:22:01] <Troubadix09> rmatte: my zenoss is up again
[02-Nov-2009 09:22:19] <Troubadix09> rmatte: restore it from complete backup
[02-Nov-2009 09:24:21] <Guest52705> i figure like guest 52705?
[02-Nov-2009 09:25:41] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: yes
[02-Nov-2009 09:26:12] <Guest52705> can you tellme wath distro is?
[02-Nov-2009 09:27:37] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: Look here http://wiki.rpath.com/wiki/rPath_Linux:distro-release
[02-Nov-2009 09:28:00] <Guest52705> thanks
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[02-Nov-2009 09:30:04] <Guest52705> i have some problem with configuration device
[02-Nov-2009 09:30:14] <Guest52705> can you help me
[02-Nov-2009 09:43:30] <rmatte> lol, why would they start a poll on the 31st of October and end it basically immediately? poll.jspa?poll=1024
[02-Nov-2009 09:43:49] <rmatte> Guest52705: can you be more specific?
[02-Nov-2009 09:43:58] <rmatte> Troubadix09: glad to hear
[02-Nov-2009 09:44:22] <Guest52705> ok, my inglish is very bad
[02-Nov-2009 09:44:26] <swarog> http://pastebin.com/m760c6dc5
[02-Nov-2009 09:45:13] <Guest52705> i need to monitorin Fortigate Device, but i have some error
[02-Nov-2009 09:45:22] <Guest52705> snmp agent down
[02-Nov-2009 09:46:01] <rmatte> swarog, why are there extra quotes around the command?
[02-Nov-2009 09:46:09] <rmatte> su zenoss -c '"/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenmigrate" '
[02-Nov-2009 09:46:30] <rmatte> it should just be something like: su zenoss -c "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenmigrate"
[02-Nov-2009 09:47:11] <rmatte> Guest52705: have you configured SNMP correctly on that device and put the snmp string in zSnmpCommunity under zProperties?
[02-Nov-2009 09:48:09] <rmatte> swarog: also, you really should just become the zenoss user then run the command
[02-Nov-2009 09:48:19] <rmatte> swarog: su - zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 09:48:22] <rmatte> then do whatever
[02-Nov-2009 09:48:32] <Guest52705> i have configure on device ok
[02-Nov-2009 09:48:55] <Guest52705> "put the snmp string in zSnmpCommunity under zProperties" what is this
[02-Nov-2009 09:48:58] <rmatte> Guest52705: then you need to put the snmp community string in to the zSnmpCommunity field under zProperties for the group or the device
[02-Nov-2009 09:49:14] <Guest52705> how i do?
[02-Nov-2009 09:50:07] <rmatte> Guest52705: eugh, I understand that your english is very bad, but please read the Zenoss Admin Guide: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zenoss/files/Documentation/zenoss-2.4.x-docs/Zenoss_Administration_2.4.3.pdf/download
[02-Nov-2009 09:50:31] <rmatte> Guest52705: it explains how to use Zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 09:50:45] <Guest52705> ok
[02-Nov-2009 09:50:52] <Guest52705> thanks
[02-Nov-2009 09:52:07] <rmatte> Guest52705: here are some videos: docs/DOC-2606
[02-Nov-2009 09:52:34] <Guest52705> thnaks
[02-Nov-2009 09:53:05] <swarog> rmatte: thats debian package
[02-Nov-2009 09:53:08] <Guest52705> in the comuntetation , explain how enable ping
[02-Nov-2009 09:53:20] <swarog> rmatte: you cant install packages without being root
[02-Nov-2009 09:53:24] <Guest52705> sorry disable
[02-Nov-2009 09:55:09] <swarog> rmatte: any ideas when 2.5.1 is going to be released?
[02-Nov-2009 09:55:57] <rmatte> swarog: no idea
[02-Nov-2009 09:56:31] <swarog> oh , im getting bunch of various error trying to remove it and install it again
[02-Nov-2009 09:57:28] <Troubadix09> swarog: you're not alone ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 09:58:17] <swarog> oh, so installing 2.5 was kinda bad idea
[02-Nov-2009 09:58:36] <mdereus> I wouldn't say it was a bad idea.
[02-Nov-2009 09:59:08] <rmatte> It's just not production ready in my opinion
[02-Nov-2009 09:59:41] <mrayzenoss> 2.5.1 will be out this month, probably pretty soon
[02-Nov-2009 10:00:01] <Troubadix09> rmatte: I install the WMIDataSource Version 2beta on my destroyed VM, and all Daemons starts without error on the console, but zenping, zenactions stops immediatly
[02-Nov-2009 10:00:05] <mrayzenoss> it has a few issues, listed here with patches for both : http://tr.im/trac_2_5_1
[02-Nov-2009 10:00:17] <mrayzenoss> s/both/most/
[02-Nov-2009 10:03:32] <Troubadix09> rmatte: is it possible, to uninstall the painfull WMIDataSource-Zenpack residue, i mean roll-back the changes, the zenpack made?
[02-Nov-2009 10:05:42] <rmatte> Troubadix09: removing the ZenPack itself should remove all of the changes
[02-Nov-2009 10:06:00] <Troubadix09> rmatte: It works for me in 2.4.5, but I don't want another desaster when upgrading ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 10:07:16] <rmatte> Troubadix09: we already tested the upgrade the other day with the beta version of the 2.5 pack, all that will be involved when upgrading is to install the updated version of the pack right before updating, but a final version of the new pack won't be available for some time
[02-Nov-2009 10:07:35] <rmatte> Troubadix09: If you insist on upgrading right now, then just remove the ZenPack before upgrading
[02-Nov-2009 10:08:52] <Troubadix09> rmatte: thanks for info ;-) ... and I promise I make a snapshot next time ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 10:09:10] <rmatte> it would be in your best interests to do so ;)
[02-Nov-2009 10:09:19] <Troubadix09> he he
[02-Nov-2009 10:09:38] <Guest52705> thanks, im reading
[02-Nov-2009 10:10:01] <rmatte> np
[02-Nov-2009 10:10:48] <Guest52705> but i have the same comunity name
[02-Nov-2009 10:11:28] <rmatte> Guest52705: can you do a full snmpwalk from the zenoss server to the device that you are trying to monitor?
[02-Nov-2009 10:11:55] <Guest52705> whait
[02-Nov-2009 10:11:58] <Guest52705> im conecting
[02-Nov-2009 10:12:25] <rmatte> Zenoss is basically complaining that it can't connect to the device via SNMP
[02-Nov-2009 10:12:43] <rmatte> so it's some sort of connectivity or permissions issue on the Zenoss server or the device
[02-Nov-2009 10:16:22] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: is there planned to work on the design of the views example the view of the Classes/Devices? I mean a little bit like a tree with a "+" or "-" in front of the sub-devices
[02-Nov-2009 10:16:33] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: to collapse or expand?
[02-Nov-2009 10:16:56] <rmatte> Troubadix09: the entire UI is currently being re-designed
[02-Nov-2009 10:17:04] <mrayzenoss> Troubadix09: yeah, it's getting reviewed for the next major release, I don't know what the plan is yet
[02-Nov-2009 10:17:10] <rmatte> Troubadix09: when Stone Crab is released in 6 months the UI will be completely different
[02-Nov-2009 10:17:31] <Guest52705> i do snmpwalk -v1 -c public 172........
[02-Nov-2009 10:17:44] <mrayzenoss> when we have some mockups available I'll try to get them posted
[02-Nov-2009 10:17:46] <Guest52705> No response from 172.......
[02-Nov-2009 10:18:00] <rmatte> Guest52705: then your SNMP is not configured properly on the device obviously
[02-Nov-2009 10:18:08] <rmatte> Guest52705: or you're using the wrong SNMP community string
[02-Nov-2009 10:18:20] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: nice to hear about that ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 10:18:28] <rmatte> Guest52705: you should never leave your SNMP string as "public" anyways, very very bad security practice
[02-Nov-2009 10:18:48] <Guest52705> this is a testing server
[02-Nov-2009 10:19:03] <rmatte> Guest52705: either way, it's not configured properly :)
[02-Nov-2009 10:19:11] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: excuse me, what are mockups?
[02-Nov-2009 10:19:12] <Guest52705> ok
[02-Nov-2009 10:19:26] <mrayzenoss> like screenshots
[02-Nov-2009 10:19:28] <rmatte> Troubadix09: mockups would be like sketches for a comic book
[02-Nov-2009 10:19:43] <rmatte> Troubadix09: basically planning stages for the UI, of what it may look like
[02-Nov-2009 10:20:07] <rmatte> Troubadix09: then community members can view them and offer suggestions
[02-Nov-2009 10:21:09] <Guest52705> i check fortigate device and it ok
[02-Nov-2009 10:21:14] <Guest52705> have the same name
[02-Nov-2009 10:21:16] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss, rmatte: thanks, I'm not familar to all english words ;-) (I come from Germany)
[02-Nov-2009 10:21:35] <Guest52705> and port, and version
[02-Nov-2009 10:21:57] <rmatte> Troubadix09: ah, cool
[02-Nov-2009 10:23:33] <rmatte> Guest52705: things to check on the device that's not working: make sure that you have the correct snmp string, make sure that the snmp string has permissions to read the full snmp tree, make sure that the device is set to accept SNMP requests from your Zenoss servers.
[02-Nov-2009 10:23:59] <rmatte> Guest52705: port should not change
[02-Nov-2009 10:24:09] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: have you configured your firewall-policies right?
[02-Nov-2009 10:24:26] <rmatte> yeh, if it's a fortigate it needs to allow traffic from the IP of the Zenoss server
[02-Nov-2009 10:24:41] <rmatte> the firewall is probably blocking the traffic
[02-Nov-2009 10:26:16] <Guest52705> i put a rule
[02-Nov-2009 10:26:45] <Guest52705> i need to refresh zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 10:27:13] <rmatte> you don't need to "refresh" it, just wait for it to try and poll again
[02-Nov-2009 10:27:22] <rmatte> It polls every 5 minutes
[02-Nov-2009 10:27:34] <Guest52705> good
[02-Nov-2009 10:27:48] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: configure your fortinet right
[02-Nov-2009 10:28:22] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: make a policy for incoming snmp-traffic
[02-Nov-2009 10:28:47] <rmatte> Troubadix09: and outgoing (if he expects to receive traps)
[02-Nov-2009 10:29:37] <Troubadix09> Guest: configure under System/Config/SNMP v1/v2c the right community and the trap-server wich should receive the traps
[02-Nov-2009 10:29:58] <Troubadix09> rmatte: outgoing too ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 10:30:06] <rmatte> :)
[02-Nov-2009 10:30:22] <Guest52705> trap server
[02-Nov-2009 10:33:23] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: And under System/Network/ search the port to your lan and set the access-level to snmp
[02-Nov-2009 10:34:23] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: then you don't need a policy for polling snmp from your private LAN
[02-Nov-2009 10:35:33] <Guest52705> yuo are talking about fortigate
[02-Nov-2009 10:35:53] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: The Fortinet Policy is only needed to accept polling over WAN-Port or send Traps over WAN-Port
[02-Nov-2009 10:36:06] <Guest52705> ok
[02-Nov-2009 10:36:18] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: yes, we use fortigate-firewalls too
[02-Nov-2009 10:37:04] <Guest52705> good
[02-Nov-2009 10:37:12] <Guest52705> i need some other
[02-Nov-2009 10:37:22] <Guest52705> have experience with fortigate
[02-Nov-2009 10:37:49] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: you can reach helping documents over the WebGUI of the fortigate
[02-Nov-2009 10:37:50] <Guest52705> it work
[02-Nov-2009 10:38:07] <Guest52705> i enable snmp on system network
[02-Nov-2009 10:38:29] <Guest52705> and probe from console of linux
[02-Nov-2009 10:38:36] <Guest52705> and now is working
[02-Nov-2009 10:38:50] <Guest52705> thansk
[02-Nov-2009 10:39:13] <rmatte> good
[02-Nov-2009 10:39:39] <Guest52705> two alerts desapiers
[02-Nov-2009 10:39:45] <Guest52705> and i have 4 more
[02-Nov-2009 10:39:50] <Guest52705> jejejej
[02-Nov-2009 10:40:03] <Guest52705> snmp boton is gone
[02-Nov-2009 10:40:28] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: With zenoss you can use the fortigate - Zenpack
[02-Nov-2009 10:40:36] <Guest52705> yes
[02-Nov-2009 10:40:40] <Guest52705> i have installes
[02-Nov-2009 10:40:48] <Guest52705> i change class os device
[02-Nov-2009 10:40:53] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: it is old but it works
[02-Nov-2009 10:41:06] <Guest52705> and put template
[02-Nov-2009 10:43:29] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: and install the fortios300-mib, fortimail-mib-220 and fortimail-trap-mib-220 and you get readable snmp-traps
[02-Nov-2009 10:43:50] <Guest52705> that i dont have
[02-Nov-2009 10:43:56] <Guest52705> hoy i do?
[02-Nov-2009 10:43:58] <Guest52705> how
[02-Nov-2009 10:44:42] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: there are manuals and wikis on how to install MIBs in Zenoss...
[02-Nov-2009 10:44:53] <Guest52705> ok
[02-Nov-2009 10:45:09] <Guest52705> and the mibs?
[02-Nov-2009 10:45:12] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: The MIBs are on the fortinet-web-site
[02-Nov-2009 10:45:21] <Guest52705> good
[02-Nov-2009 10:45:26] <Guest52705> thanks
[02-Nov-2009 10:45:29] <Guest52705> very much
[02-Nov-2009 10:45:52] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: I don't remember, but i think you must have an account on the fortinet-site
[02-Nov-2009 10:46:04] <Guest52705> i have
[02-Nov-2009 10:46:49] <Guest52705> for today one last cuestions
[02-Nov-2009 10:47:49] <Guest52705> all that or fortigate is do too control ISP provider and how is working VPN
[02-Nov-2009 10:48:50] <Troubadix09> aeh ... what is the question?
[02-Nov-2009 10:49:08] <Guest52705> how i can control mi ISP
[02-Nov-2009 10:49:23] <Guest52705> time up, lost packet
[02-Nov-2009 10:49:34] <Guest52705> and demore
[02-Nov-2009 10:51:00] <Guest52705> brandwicth
[02-Nov-2009 10:51:23] <Guest52705> i cant do ping too gogle becouse ping is blocked
[02-Nov-2009 10:53:57] <rmatte> Guest52705: ok, the question was unclear... you want to "control" your ISP?
[02-Nov-2009 10:54:19] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: blocked from what? from your ISP or from the fortigate?
[02-Nov-2009 10:54:48] <Guest52705> i need to control ISP
[02-Nov-2009 10:54:59] <Guest52705> how is working
[02-Nov-2009 10:55:12] <rmatte> still don't understand, what do you hope to accomplish?
[02-Nov-2009 10:55:45] <Guest52705> ping is blocked for fortigate
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:00] <rmatte> ok, is ping blocked BY your ISP, or by the fortigate?
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:01] <Guest52705> i cant ping too another station
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:10] <Guest52705> but not to internet
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:18] <Guest52705> fotigate
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:24] <rmatte> then fix it, obviously
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:33] <rmatte> this is a place for Zenoss questions, not fortigate support
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:42] <Guest52705> ok
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:42] <Troubadix09> rmatte: nothing to add ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:59] <rmatte> hehe
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:13] <Guest52705> but some change i cant do
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:15] <Guest52705> on fortigate
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:21] <rmatte> Guest52705: why?
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:34] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: ask your administrator ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:36] <Guest52705> intenal policy
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:45] <Guest52705> taht is the problem
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:50] <Guest52705> my administrator
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:51] <rmatte> Guest52705: yeh, ask your administrator, we can't help you with gaining access to your own device :P
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:52] <Guest52705> heheheh
[02-Nov-2009 10:58:00] <Troubadix09> hehe
[02-Nov-2009 10:58:22] <Troubadix09> rmatte: it sounds like hacking
[02-Nov-2009 10:58:25] <Troubadix09> ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 10:58:26] <rmatte> I don't come in here and be like "uh, guys, I can't login to one of my Linux servers, can you please help?"
[02-Nov-2009 10:58:36] <rmatte> :P
[02-Nov-2009 10:58:53] <Guest52705> can i check www.google.com (for example) for another way
[02-Nov-2009 10:59:02] <Guest52705> sorry rmatte
[02-Nov-2009 10:59:09] <rmatte> Guest52705: there is no other way, you need access to make config changes on devices
[02-Nov-2009 10:59:15] <rmatte> If you don't have access you don't make the changes
[02-Nov-2009 10:59:22] <rmatte> It's a firewall, there's no way around it
[02-Nov-2009 10:59:28] <rmatte> it's designed to be secure
[02-Nov-2009 10:59:53] <rmatte> Like we said before, contact your administrator and have them do the changes
[02-Nov-2009 11:00:12] <Guest52705> ok
[02-Nov-2009 11:00:13] <rmatte> If they aren't willing to make the changes then you're out of luck
[02-Nov-2009 11:00:21] <Guest52705> sorry for ask
[02-Nov-2009 11:00:27] <Troubadix09> rmatte: puh ... what a luck, I administrate our fortigates on my own ... ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 11:00:37] <rmatte> Troubadix09: hehe
[02-Nov-2009 11:00:57] <rmatte> Troubadix09: We have a Cisco ASA instead
[02-Nov-2009 11:01:48] <Guest52705> i think, i can check some web with http withoun using ping
[02-Nov-2009 11:02:18] <rmatte> Guest52705: yes, you want to install the HttpMonitor ZenPack
[02-Nov-2009 11:02:31] <Guest52705> yes i do
[02-Nov-2009 11:02:42] <Guest52705> but i cant disable ping check
[02-Nov-2009 11:03:58] <jb> erm.. my alerting schedules are all goofed up now.
[02-Nov-2009 11:04:04] <rmatte> Guest52705: yes you can, it's an option in zProperties
[02-Nov-2009 11:04:14] <rmatte> Guest52705: you change zPingMonitor to False
[02-Nov-2009 11:04:26] <jb> i have a schedule that starts at 17:00 each day and lasts for 12 hours
[02-Nov-2009 11:04:35] <jb> its triggering outside of that range now
[02-Nov-2009 11:05:11] <Guest52705> i have zPingMonitorIgnore on false
[02-Nov-2009 11:07:32] <rmatte> Guest52705: then set it to true
[02-Nov-2009 11:07:57] <rmatte> Guest52705: it needs to be set to True to ignore ping monitoring
[02-Nov-2009 11:08:22] <Guest52705> i make change
[02-Nov-2009 11:09:16] <Guest52705> thanks
[02-Nov-2009 11:09:30] <Guest52705> i need too download mibs or fortigate
[02-Nov-2009 11:09:37] <Guest52705> and install
[02-Nov-2009 11:09:47] <rmatte> Troubadix09: yes, we have security engineers that reviewed other products, ASA was determined to be the best
[02-Nov-2009 11:10:43] <jb> argh
[02-Nov-2009 11:10:49] <jb> even with it set to disabled, it still triggers
[02-Nov-2009 11:11:33] <rmatte> jb: what version of Zenoss?
[02-Nov-2009 11:11:37] <jb> 2.4.5
[02-Nov-2009 11:11:51] <rmatte> ah, thought it might have been the 2.3.3 time bug
[02-Nov-2009 11:12:03] <rmatte> do you guys do DST?
[02-Nov-2009 11:12:11] <jb> yeah
[02-Nov-2009 11:12:12] <rmatte> how much outside the range is it triggering?
[02-Nov-2009 11:12:20] <jb> its like its ignoring the range
[02-Nov-2009 11:12:26] <rmatte> hmmm
[02-Nov-2009 11:12:38] <rmatte> maybe try removing the alerting rule and re-adding it?
[02-Nov-2009 11:12:40] <jb> and Enabled is set to "False"
[02-Nov-2009 11:13:04] <jb> i'll try
[02-Nov-2009 11:13:10] <rmatte> jb: have you tried restarting Zenoss?
[02-Nov-2009 11:13:13] <jb> yes
[02-Nov-2009 11:13:21] <rmatte> jb: I've had to do that a couple times to get alerting rules to work properly
[02-Nov-2009 11:15:11] <Troubadix09> cu all
[02-Nov-2009 11:29:03] <rmatte> hmmm, I'm debating between Chef and Puppet
[02-Nov-2009 11:29:28] <rmatte> Puppet seems a bit simpler in all ways
[02-Nov-2009 11:31:10] <jb> im messing with puppet right now..
[02-Nov-2009 11:31:28] <jb> im having a hard time organizing my modules and all
[02-Nov-2009 11:32:04] <jb> chef seems to be geared more towards developers..
[02-Nov-2009 11:32:14] <jb> puppet is geared more towards sysadmin types
[02-Nov-2009 11:32:19] <rmatte> yeh, I heard Chef is more pure Ruby
[02-Nov-2009 11:32:40] <rmatte> I really just want something that I can rig up some fairly simple automation with
[02-Nov-2009 11:32:46] <jb> yeah me too
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:05] <rmatte> have you heard of any other products other than those 2?
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:11] <jb> no
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:12] <jb> thats about it
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:15] <jb> in the OSS world
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:21] <rmatte> yeh, same here
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:22] <rmatte> hmmm
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:32] <jb> there bfcfg2
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:41] <jb> bcfg2
[02-Nov-2009 11:34:00] <jb> no idea about it though
[02-Nov-2009 11:34:17] <rmatte> hmmm, it's written in python eh?
[02-Nov-2009 11:34:23] <jb> not sure
[02-Nov-2009 11:35:13] <rmatte> bcfg2 actually sounds pretty interesting
[02-Nov-2009 11:36:47] <rmatte> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTEF_GBurrU
[02-Nov-2009 11:37:46] <rmatte> since it's python I might actually take a look at that, I'm already learning Python and getting pretty decent with it, so I'd rather continue learning it than having to try and learn Python and Ruby
[02-Nov-2009 11:38:06] <rmatte> afk for a few
[02-Nov-2009 12:00:17] <Evolution> I'm testing out zenoss 2.5 and am about half through the documentation, so pardon if this is covered, but in setting up a test system, I find that I get no performance snmp data from win2k3 sp2
[02-Nov-2009 12:00:38] <Evolution> is this a known issue?
[02-Nov-2009 12:00:54] <Evolution> google seems to have some forums related to it, but they're generating 404's now.
[02-Nov-2009 12:01:03] <Evolution> for example -> community/forums/viewtopic.php?p=39011
[02-Nov-2009 12:04:39] <Evolution> ah, it seems I'm missing snmp informant.
[02-Nov-2009 12:12:38] <rmatte> Evolution: I have a zenpack that I made which collects that data without snmp-informant...
[02-Nov-2009 12:12:59] <Evolution> rmatte: for 2.5?
[02-Nov-2009 12:13:01] <rmatte> Simple version: docs/DOC-3570
[02-Nov-2009 12:13:01] <Evolution> yes please!
[02-Nov-2009 12:13:09] <rmatte> Advanced version: docs/DOC-3386
[02-Nov-2009 12:13:14] <rmatte> and yes, it'll work in 2.5
[02-Nov-2009 12:13:42] <Evolution> what's the difference between simple/advanced?
[02-Nov-2009 12:14:00] <rmatte> read the description of the simple zenpack
[02-Nov-2009 12:14:03] <Evolution> ah, cpu info.
[02-Nov-2009 12:14:07] <rmatte> yes
[02-Nov-2009 12:14:13] * Evolution rtfms
[02-Nov-2009 12:14:19] <rmatte> depends on whether or not you want to monitor individual cores
[02-Nov-2009 12:14:52] <rmatte> I created the simple version afterwards since not everyone is going to want to monitor performance for each core
[02-Nov-2009 12:15:09] <rmatte> the script uses a couple of bash scripts that I wrote to collect the data, it works quite well
[02-Nov-2009 12:15:18] <rmatte> I'm planning on converting the scripts to python eventually
[02-Nov-2009 12:15:34] <rmatte> External Dependencies: It consists of 2 bash scripts which collect the information from the SNMP Service. The bash scripts rely on the 'bc' and 'snmpwalk' commands, so make sure that you have those installed on your server before using this ZenPack.
[02-Nov-2009 12:15:40] <Evolution> yep. read that.
[02-Nov-2009 12:15:43] <Evolution> loading now.
[02-Nov-2009 12:15:46] <rmatte> k cool
[02-Nov-2009 12:17:17] <Evolution> hrm.
[02-Nov-2009 12:17:20] <Evolution> ERROR: zenpack command failed. Reason: OSError: [Errno 20] Not a directory: '/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenPacks.Nova.Windows.SNMPPerfMonitor-1.2-py2.4.egg/skins'
[02-Nov-2009 12:17:27] <Evolution> that shouldn't matter should it?
[02-Nov-2009 12:17:40] <rmatte> did you unzip the pack?
[02-Nov-2009 12:17:48] <rmatte> the community site zips zenpack files when it shouldn't
[02-Nov-2009 12:17:53] <rmatte> so you need to unzip them before installing
[02-Nov-2009 12:18:01] <Evolution> ah, that explains it.
[02-Nov-2009 12:18:01] <rmatte> you'll have a .egg.zip
[02-Nov-2009 12:18:07] <rmatte> unzip it so you have a .egg
[02-Nov-2009 12:18:10] <rmatte> and install the .egg
[02-Nov-2009 12:18:11] <Evolution> gotcha.
[02-Nov-2009 12:18:11] <rmatte> :)
[02-Nov-2009 12:19:12] <Evolution> well that works loads better doing it the right way!
[02-Nov-2009 12:19:30] <rmatte> (I hope they fix that stupid zip issue soon, I'm starting to get tired of explaining it to people lol)
[02-Nov-2009 12:23:44] <rmatte> jb: I'm seriously leaning towards bcfg2 now that you've mentioned it hehe
[02-Nov-2009 12:24:27] <rmatte> good afternoon Matt
[02-Nov-2009 12:25:14] <mrayzenoss> myellow
[02-Nov-2009 12:25:46] <rmatte> Matt, I'm leaning away from Puppet and Chef now, I think I'm going to try out http://trac.mcs.anl.gov/projects/bcfg2/
[02-Nov-2009 12:25:48] <cgibbons> are you not @ LISA this week, matt?
[02-Nov-2009 12:25:53] <rmatte> especially since it's written in Python
[02-Nov-2009 12:26:40] <mrayzenoss> unfortunately I will not be at LISA this week, family commitments
[02-Nov-2009 12:27:00] <rmatte> I'll graciously accept your tickets :)
[02-Nov-2009 12:27:08] <mrayzenoss> Mark & Chet and others will make do in my absence
[02-Nov-2009 12:27:42] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: bcfg2 is cool too
[02-Nov-2009 12:27:52] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: yeh, it looks extremely promising
[02-Nov-2009 12:28:06] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: It seems to be a lot more what I'm looking for
[02-Nov-2009 12:28:20] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: and the fact that it's coded in python gets it extra brownie points from me
[02-Nov-2009 12:30:37] <Evolution> is there a FAQ regarding zProperties zWinUser and zWinPassword ?
[02-Nov-2009 12:30:52] <rmatte> Evolution: yeh, the Zenoss Admin Guide
[02-Nov-2009 12:31:11] <Evolution> heh, reading that. nothing overly helpful for troubleshooting that I've seen
[02-Nov-2009 12:31:22] <rmatte> then ask here
[02-Nov-2009 12:32:33] <Evolution> I'm getting zeneventlog warnings for 'Could not read the Windows Event Log, NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[02-Nov-2009 12:32:51] <Evolution> doesn't matter if I use a domain admin account, or local admin account.
[02-Nov-2009 12:32:57] <rmatte> ok, first off, does the account that you're trying to use have proper permissions?
[02-Nov-2009 12:33:14] <rmatte> if it's a local admin account you may want to put ./username in zproperties
[02-Nov-2009 12:33:23] <rmatte> If it's a domain account you'd put domain/username
[02-Nov-2009 12:33:33] <rmatte> zWinPassword is self explanatory
[02-Nov-2009 12:33:48] <rmatte> you also need to make sure that WMI is properly configured on the machine you're trying to poll
[02-Nov-2009 12:33:55] <mrayzenoss> Evolution: docs/DOC-2520
[02-Nov-2009 12:33:56] <Evolution> I think I may just be doing the / incorrectly then.
[02-Nov-2009 12:34:00] <Evolution> was using \ instead of /
[02-Nov-2009 12:34:14] <rmatte> actually \ should work too, they are interchangeable in Zenoss from my experience
[02-Nov-2009 12:34:15] <Evolution> mrayzenoss: thanks. reading.
[02-Nov-2009 12:34:22] <Guest52705> hello again
[02-Nov-2009 12:34:42] <Guest52705> i need too accese via ssh o vmware zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 12:35:02] <Guest52705> where ia have documenteation too now user and pass
[02-Nov-2009 12:35:18] <mrayzenoss> Guest52705: login as root and add a password for the 'zenoss' user
[02-Nov-2009 12:35:25] <mrayzenoss> root has no password on the VM
[02-Nov-2009 12:36:58] <rmatte> or login as root and do: sudo su - zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 12:37:03] <rmatte> either way works
[02-Nov-2009 12:37:14] <rmatte> might want to set a password for root while you're at it
[02-Nov-2009 12:38:28] <Guest52705> ok
[02-Nov-2009 12:44:43] <Guest52705> some use MIB Browser/Utils too add mib's?
[02-Nov-2009 12:44:56] <Guest52705> thanks for the pass of root
[02-Nov-2009 12:45:00] <Guest52705> work fine
[02-Nov-2009 12:45:36] <wdw> okay, so I'm an idiot and have a question.. when mysql was in an error state, it showed up under 'components' in the device status view.. now that i've cleared the error.. it no longer appears, and I can't find it anywhere other than in the perf graphs
[02-Nov-2009 12:46:05] <wdw> I know i'm missing something drop-dead obvious, but i'm missing it.. can someone tell me where I should be looking? :)
[02-Nov-2009 12:46:20] <rmatte> wdw: you mean it showed up in the components for a specific device?
[02-Nov-2009 12:46:30] <wdw> right..
[02-Nov-2009 12:46:35] <wdw> when it was in an error state
[02-Nov-2009 12:46:47] <rmatte> wdw: that's just because you had an event in the active event console with that component
[02-Nov-2009 12:47:01] <rmatte> so a status for the component automatically shows up on the device page
[02-Nov-2009 12:47:12] <rmatte> once the event clears or is moved to history by hand it no longer shows the status
[02-Nov-2009 12:47:22] <rmatte> it's just the way Zenoss does things
[02-Nov-2009 12:47:27] <wdw> that makes sense
[02-Nov-2009 12:47:31] <mrayzenoss> Guest52705: docs/DOC-2445#MIBs
[02-Nov-2009 12:48:03] <rmatte> you could rename it from "MySQL" to "Yogi Bear" and you'd get a status of down for "Yogi Bear" each time MySQL fails
[02-Nov-2009 12:48:04] <rmatte> lol
[02-Nov-2009 12:48:08] <Guest52705> thanks
[02-Nov-2009 12:48:40] <wdw> so where would i look to just get a simple 'here is the status of every service being monitored by zenoss for this device' ? I may be stuck in a nagios mindset or something here, but a list of every service on a device, with manager-pleasing green/ok status, should be possible, right?
[02-Nov-2009 12:49:20] <rmatte> wdw, the os tab
[02-Nov-2009 12:50:12] <wdw> thats what I thought, but it doesn't actually show up there.. I guess I need to read up more
[02-Nov-2009 12:50:53] <rmatte> ok, what generated the actual alert?
[02-Nov-2009 12:51:00] <rmatte> are you using the MySQL ZenPack or something?
[02-Nov-2009 12:51:05] <wdw> yes
[02-Nov-2009 12:51:15] <rmatte> then you won't get a status list like that...
[02-Nov-2009 12:51:18] <wdw> aah
[02-Nov-2009 12:51:35] <rmatte> that ZenPack monitors the health of MySQL as performance stats and alerts if something fails
[02-Nov-2009 12:51:57] <rmatte> You could add MySQL to the Processes list on the OS tab
[02-Nov-2009 12:52:05] <wdw> that explains where I went wrong.. so in actuality, i'd need to add it to OS procese.. gotcha
[02-Nov-2009 12:52:05] <rmatte> and it will monitor if the process is running
[02-Nov-2009 12:52:17] <wdw> this is slowly starting to fall into place now - thanks!
[02-Nov-2009 12:52:22] <rmatte> np
[02-Nov-2009 12:52:59] <rmatte> you should still probably monitor with the MySQL pack as well since it monitors stuff that Zenoss doesn't monitor by default and provides performance graphs I believe
[02-Nov-2009 12:57:38] <Evolution> rmatte: thanks for your help. you've gotten me pretty darn far for getting set up.
[02-Nov-2009 12:58:42] <rmatte> no problem
[02-Nov-2009 12:59:50] <rmatte> I know that Zenoss can be a bit of a pain to get started with so I help people out as best I can
[02-Nov-2009 13:01:40] <Evolution> I'm looking to replace my nagios setup with something a bit more capable/pretty-for-bosses.
[02-Nov-2009 13:01:49] <Evolution> so I'm evaluating zabbix and zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 13:02:00] <rmatte> Evolution: Zenoss is the best I've seen in terms of a nagios replacement
[02-Nov-2009 13:02:06] <mdereus> I ditched Nagios for Zenoss.
[02-Nov-2009 13:02:08] <mdereus> Glad I did.
[02-Nov-2009 13:02:21] <Evolution> doing jmx monitoring in nagios is OMFGSTABME....
[02-Nov-2009 13:02:27] <rmatte> Evolution: and it can even use Nagios plugins
[02-Nov-2009 13:02:31] <mrayzenoss> Evolution: lol
[02-Nov-2009 13:02:56] <kobalt> wtb event views with a date filter... hehe
[02-Nov-2009 13:03:09] <wdw> hey, you're all going to be crying when nagios releases their new interface.. coming summer 3009.
[02-Nov-2009 13:03:11] <rmatte> yeh well, good thing there's a ZenPack for JMX :)
[02-Nov-2009 13:03:21] <rmatte> wdw: haha
[02-Nov-2009 13:03:39] <wdw> ninja isn't bad, but talk about putting lipstick on a pig
[02-Nov-2009 13:03:45] <Evolution> yeah. the nagios 3.x release is what made up my mind to move.
[02-Nov-2009 13:03:55] <Evolution> it's pretty... but it's the same old nagios.
[02-Nov-2009 13:04:08] <Evolution> no traffic graphing, no direct integration with anything...
[02-Nov-2009 13:04:22] <rmatte> Evolution: yeh, Zenoss does traffic graphing very well
[02-Nov-2009 13:04:24] <Evolution> you can build all that junk in via 3rd party stuff....
[02-Nov-2009 13:04:31] <Evolution> but why if you can get it all in one.
[02-Nov-2009 13:04:52] <rmatte> Evolution: yeh, what you can setup in Zenoss in a week, would take you like 3 months in Nagios
[02-Nov-2009 13:04:52] <Evolution> rmatte: we'll see soon.... I'm about to introduce my cisco 4506 to zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 13:04:54] <Evolution> :-P
[02-Nov-2009 13:05:15] <mdereus> I accomplished more in 2 days with Zenoss than I did in 2 weeks with Nagios.
[02-Nov-2009 13:05:22] <rmatte> how many ports does the 4506 have?
[02-Nov-2009 13:05:30] <Evolution> who uses enterprise zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 13:05:42] <wdw> the cool kids
[02-Nov-2009 13:05:42] <Evolution> rmatte: 5 cards of 48 ports :-P
[02-Nov-2009 13:06:07] <rmatte> Evolution: http://www.zenoss.com/customers/by-industry <--- These people use enterprise
[02-Nov-2009 13:06:12] <Evolution> was hoping someone here would say "yes worth ent for tomcat monitoring"
[02-Nov-2009 13:06:21] <Evolution> rmatte: yeah. I don't read marketing. I talk to people.
[02-Nov-2009 13:06:22] <mrayzenoss> there are a couple of Enterprise users in the channel from time to time
[02-Nov-2009 13:06:37] * jb = ent
[02-Nov-2009 13:06:44] <rmatte> Evolution: ah, I'm monitoring some 1750s, 1 has 7 stacks of 24 ports, Zenoss handles it like a champ
[02-Nov-2009 13:06:49] <Evolution> I'll read documentation and talk to people who use the product. I refuse to deal with marketing or sales drones.
[02-Nov-2009 13:07:25] <rmatte> Evolution: enterprise scales up a lot easier
[02-Nov-2009 13:07:40] <rmatte> Evolution: and has nice redundancy features
[02-Nov-2009 13:07:43] <Evolution> can zenoss do parenting? ex: if my switch is down, don't bother testing (or notifying) about anything behind the switch?
[02-Nov-2009 13:07:50] <jb> no :(
[02-Nov-2009 13:07:54] <rmatte> Evolution: unfortunately no
[02-Nov-2009 13:08:06] <Evolution> I didn't see anything about that in doc, so I thought I'd ask.
[02-Nov-2009 13:08:14] <mrayzenoss> well… it does event suppression based on topology awareness
[02-Nov-2009 13:08:15] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: I know that layer 2 dependencies are a ways off, but can you guys not code in manual dependencies?
[02-Nov-2009 13:08:22] <jb> not very well though
[02-Nov-2009 13:08:24] <jb> for instance..
[02-Nov-2009 13:08:35] <mrayzenoss> awareness being the keyword...
[02-Nov-2009 13:08:44] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: quite honestly, in my experience, the event suppression is virtually non-existant
[02-Nov-2009 13:09:24] <rmatte> I saw a manual dependencies feature in another product and it was actually quite nice
[02-Nov-2009 13:09:36] <rmatte> it's a lot of work to do but once it's done it's done
[02-Nov-2009 13:09:36] <jb> when a device goes down.. i still get "IP Service Down" alerts
[02-Nov-2009 13:09:38] <jb> which is annoying
[02-Nov-2009 13:09:41] <rmatte> and it doesn't rely on topology
[02-Nov-2009 13:09:43] <mrayzenoss> your topology has to be exactly correct and only works with some of the daemons, so I'll agree it's not very useful yet
[02-Nov-2009 13:10:22] <rmatte> jb: depends on when the polling for the ip services is done versus the polling for ping
[02-Nov-2009 13:10:44] <rmatte> jb: if your device goes down just as the polling for ip services kicks off but while the ping polling is between cycles you'll see that
[02-Nov-2009 13:10:55] <Evolution> loading.... loading.... CHOKE DOWN that switch!
[02-Nov-2009 13:11:03] <rmatte> jb: the chances are low since ping polling is done every minute versus every 5 minutes for everything else
[02-Nov-2009 13:11:09] <rmatte> jb: but it does still happen
[02-Nov-2009 13:11:50] <mrayzenoss> manual device dependencies: docs/DOC-3231
[02-Nov-2009 13:12:05] <Evolution> yeah. it's taking A WHILE to add this switch......
[02-Nov-2009 13:12:27] <rmatte> needs to be GUI based mrayzenoss, doing it via transforms is ridiculous when you get in to the hundreds of devices
[02-Nov-2009 13:12:40] <rmatte> or doing it via adding fake interfaces
[02-Nov-2009 13:12:45] <mrayzenoss> yeah
[02-Nov-2009 13:13:02] <rmatte> you should be able to just go to a device and select what devices depend on that device
[02-Nov-2009 13:47:56] <cgibbons> hum
[02-Nov-2009 14:45:27] <jb> argh. still getting alerts!
[02-Nov-2009 14:45:37] <jb> im thinking DST messed something up
[02-Nov-2009 14:45:45] <jb> these alerts are still firing outside of their schedule window
[02-Nov-2009 15:35:36] <scratchme> Is there a free plugin for sending/receiving an email to verify SMTP/POP3 actually work, not just the ports open?
[02-Nov-2009 15:55:54] <suprsonic> mrayzenoss remember the issue I was having?
[02-Nov-2009 15:56:43] <mrayzenoss> yeah
[02-Nov-2009 15:57:02] <suprsonic> was that a one time fix?
[02-Nov-2009 16:02:21] <mrayzenoss> I didn't see the fix, where was it?
[02-Nov-2009 16:02:52] <suprsonic> I needed to reindex
[02-Nov-2009 16:02:56] <suprsonic> then commit
[02-Nov-2009 16:03:17] <mrayzenoss> that's it?
[02-Nov-2009 16:03:20] <mrayzenoss> that worked?
[02-Nov-2009 16:03:31] <suprsonic> well, for my first mib
[02-Nov-2009 16:03:46] <suprsonic> second mib I just installed is doing the samething
[02-Nov-2009 16:03:54] <suprsonic> this time reindex and commit isn't resolving it
[02-Nov-2009 16:12:18] <markeriv> hey guys
[02-Nov-2009 16:12:21] <markeriv> question for you all
[02-Nov-2009 16:12:32] <markeriv> is there a way to add a device via a command line function?
[02-Nov-2009 16:12:42] <markeriv> or a script
[02-Nov-2009 16:13:17] <markeriv> trying to figure out a way to add devices faster...
[02-Nov-2009 16:13:47] <mrayzenoss> zendeviceload
[02-Nov-2009 16:14:47] <markeriv> hmmm alright
[02-Nov-2009 16:14:57] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: and the forum posts are starting to roll in from people who upgraded to 2.5 while they had the WMI Data Source pack installed
[02-Nov-2009 16:14:59] <mrayzenoss> there are other non-xml ways in the wiki: community/documentation/wiki
[02-Nov-2009 16:15:10] <rmatte> maybe you guys should actually email something out to everyone to bring it to people's attention?
[02-Nov-2009 16:15:20] <rmatte> you're going to end up with hundreds or trashed installation
[02-Nov-2009 16:15:46] <mrayzenoss> hmmm… I'll look into a solution
[02-Nov-2009 16:15:51] <rmatte> "hundreds of trashed installations" rather
[02-Nov-2009 16:15:58] <rmatte> yeh, I'll see if I can figure out some sort of fix too
[02-Nov-2009 16:16:04] <rmatte> If I can I'll let you know
[02-Nov-2009 16:16:18] <suprsonic> WMI Data Source a no no?
[02-Nov-2009 16:19:15] <QubeZ> anyone have good documentation on how to get nagios asterisk plugin to work with zenoss? or any plugin for that matter?
[02-Nov-2009 16:19:24] <QubeZ> really like zenoss but no useful asterisk plugins (zenpacks)
[02-Nov-2009 16:21:33] <rmatte> suprsonic: when upgrading to 2.5 it is for the moment
[02-Nov-2009 16:22:16] <rmatte> suprsonic: a fixed version is available but it's purely for beta testing at the moment, it does work but it's not 100% done yet
[02-Nov-2009 16:22:35] <rmatte> suprsonic: this is why I'm encouraging people to stick with 2.4.5 for the time being
[02-Nov-2009 16:22:55] <rmatte> (among other reasons)
[02-Nov-2009 16:23:14] <suprsonic> ah
[02-Nov-2009 16:26:32] <suprsonic> you guys must be pretty busy
[02-Nov-2009 16:26:39] <suprsonic> I'll try not to be a pest :)
[02-Nov-2009 16:28:58] <kisielk> rmatte: so there's *no* way to recover from this WMI thing?
[02-Nov-2009 16:29:39] <rmatte> kisielk: I tried my best and couldn't find a way as of yet
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:01] <rmatte> kisielk: it keeps a bunch of daemons from starting, can't use the zenpack command, and can't start zendmd
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:04] <kisielk> hm
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:10] <kisielk> actually, I don't have that installed, afaik
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:14] <rmatte> kisielk: with all of those facts considered, there's not really anything that can be done
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:22] <kisielk> or at least it's not in the "Loaded ZenPacks" list
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:36] <rmatte> hmmm, then you may be suffering from a different issue
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:48] <kisielk> yeah
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:55] <kisielk> I'm the one who originally started the thread though!
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:57] <rmatte> what error are you getting?
[02-Nov-2009 16:31:03] <kisielk> people hijacked it :(
[02-Nov-2009 16:31:07] <rmatte> oh, right
[02-Nov-2009 16:31:09] <rmatte> let me check
[02-Nov-2009 16:31:26] <kisielk> if you look at the first post
[02-Nov-2009 16:31:32] <kisielk> I describe the symptoms
[02-Nov-2009 16:31:56] <rmatte> I was replying to someone who hijacked the thread lol, thinking that they were responding with a similar issue (sorry, didn't check)
[02-Nov-2009 16:32:18] <rmatte> I'm not sure about your particular issue unfortunately
[02-Nov-2009 16:32:34] <kisielk> okay
[02-Nov-2009 16:38:13] <rmatte> hmmm, do you have the ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail ZenPack installed by any chance?
[02-Nov-2009 16:43:22] <rmatte> kisielk?
[02-Nov-2009 16:43:29] <kisielk> no
[02-Nov-2009 16:44:20] <kisielk> I have networking.HPProcuve, and zenoss.HPmonitor
[02-Nov-2009 16:44:31] <rmatte> ok, and that's it that's all?
[02-Nov-2009 16:49:22] <rmatte> hmmm, just checked my zenstatus.log, no issues
[02-Nov-2009 16:51:31] <rmatte> actually, the advanced device details pack works fine (just tested it)
[02-Nov-2009 16:51:32] <rmatte> hmmm
[02-Nov-2009 16:56:16] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: yeh, some of the fairly common issues that people are having after upgrading aren't even related to the WMI Data Source ZenPack apparently
[02-Nov-2009 16:56:23] <rmatte> not sure what's causing them
[02-Nov-2009 16:56:39] <rmatte> there's people having issues with zenrender, where it just keeps cycling but never completes a cycle
[02-Nov-2009 16:56:55] <rmatte> zenstatus rather
[02-Nov-2009 16:57:36] <rmatte> and there are a few other problems
[02-Nov-2009 16:59:10] <mrayzenoss> well, I've got the devs and qa watching the forums closer for upgrade issues… we fix what we find
[02-Nov-2009 16:59:18] <rmatte> cool
[02-Nov-2009 17:04:40] mrayzenoss1 is now known as mrayzenoss
[02-Nov-2009 17:05:59] <rmatte> Matt, do you remember what event class Chet said that Zenoss looks at for interface status?
[02-Nov-2009 17:06:26] <mrayzenoss> not off the top of my head, sorry
[02-Nov-2009 17:06:35] <rmatte> k
[02-Nov-2009 17:06:36] <mrayzenoss> I'm going to add an announcement about the WMI ZenPack
[02-Nov-2009 17:06:44] <rmatte> good stuff
[02-Nov-2009 17:06:48] <mrayzenoss> throw it up on the download page, zenoss-users and zenoss-zenpacks
[02-Nov-2009 17:06:58] <rmatte> I tried out the advanced device details pack to make sure it works and it seems to work fine
[02-Nov-2009 17:07:15] <rmatte> so the WMI pack seems to be the only culprit for now
[02-Nov-2009 17:08:29] <rmatte> I need to figure out what Class it looks at for the status since I'm planning on modifying docs/DOC-2494 to make it more useful for 2.5 (though it will still work fine in 2.4.5 or earlier after the modification)
[02-Nov-2009 17:11:21] <mrayzenoss> does the WMI ZenPack break Zenoss 2.5 or just not work?
[02-Nov-2009 17:12:30] <rmatte> breaks it
[02-Nov-2009 17:12:37] <rmatte> at least I haven't been able to recover it
[02-Nov-2009 17:12:53] <rmatte> it keeps most of the daemons from starting (if not all, can't remember)
[02-Nov-2009 17:13:00] <rmatte> prevents the user from using the zenpack command to remove it
[02-Nov-2009 17:13:08] <rmatte> and prevents the user from running zendmd
[02-Nov-2009 17:13:14] <rmatte> so it effectively cripples the ZenPack install
[02-Nov-2009 17:13:24] <mrayzenoss> and the new stuff Egor checked in?
[02-Nov-2009 17:13:36] <rmatte> Works fine, but it's not exactly release ready
[02-Nov-2009 17:13:49] <mrayzenoss> hmm… he checked in some more over the weekend
[02-Nov-2009 17:13:50] <rmatte> still missing some stuff, according to Egor
[02-Nov-2009 17:14:03] <mrayzenoss> I guess I should beta that for him
[02-Nov-2009 17:14:04] <rmatte> you'd be best to just send him a message on the community site asking him
[02-Nov-2009 17:14:29] <rmatte> once he is satisfied with it, then we'll beta it, and release it
[02-Nov-2009 17:21:30] <mrayzenoss> ok, posted as announcements on the download page and on the user and zenpack forums as posts and announcements
[02-Nov-2009 17:21:39] <rmatte> just saw, good stuff
[02-Nov-2009 17:22:23] <rmatte> message/41498#41498 <--- Looks like the jabber bot pack doesn't play nice with 2.5
[02-Nov-2009 17:22:54] <rmatte> actually, was that a community pack?
[02-Nov-2009 17:23:06] <rmatte> ah so it was
[02-Nov-2009 17:23:14] <rmatte> I'll send Colin a message about it
[02-Nov-2009 17:24:21] <mrayzenoss> thanks
[02-Nov-2009 17:24:38] <mrayzenoss> chudler: you hear that? message/41498
[02-Nov-2009 17:24:45] <mrayzenoss> for later :)
[02-Nov-2009 17:24:52] <mrayzenoss> I gotta run, see you guys tomorrow
[02-Nov-2009 17:25:21] <rmatte> yeh, I just sent him a message about ti
[02-Nov-2009 17:25:24] <rmatte> it*
[02-Nov-2009 17:25:25] <rmatte> later
[02-Nov-2009 17:36:28] <Skaag> Zenoss discovered many IP's that are the same server... how do I join them together? :-)
[02-Nov-2009 17:36:54] <rmatte> Skaag: ummm, what do you mean, during an autodiscovery?
[02-Nov-2009 17:36:59] <Skaag> yep
[02-Nov-2009 17:37:05] <Skaag> or maybe i'm thinking about this the wrong way
[02-Nov-2009 17:37:26] <Skaag> but yes, definitely two virtual ip's that are on the same server physically
[02-Nov-2009 17:37:27] <rmatte> just remove all of the devices except the one that has the main IP, then properly model the device via SNMP and it will pick up the interfaces with their IP addresses
[02-Nov-2009 17:38:08] <Skaag> cool, sounds like a good plan
[02-Nov-2009 17:38:57] <Skaag> Today I finally managed to find out why my hp switch's snmp did not function
[02-Nov-2009 17:39:07] <Skaag> and this, after 4 days of HP engineer trying to find the problem
[02-Nov-2009 17:39:17] <Skaag> in the end, I read the manual, and found an anomaly, and managed to fix it
[02-Nov-2009 17:41:06] <Skaag> which is funny because the reason I emailed HP support, was to avoid RTFM
[02-Nov-2009 17:41:17] <Skaag> but the universe wanted me to RTFM
[02-Nov-2009 17:41:18] <Skaag> :-)
[02-Nov-2009 17:42:13] <rmatte> lol
[02-Nov-2009 17:43:08] <Skaag> for the universe, we are all noobs
[02-Nov-2009 17:43:43] <rmatte> yup
[02-Nov-2009 17:50:29] <rmatte> well, time for me to head home, adios
[02-Nov-2009 17:50:49] <Skaag> seeya rmatte and thanks
[02-Nov-2009 17:50:52] <rmatte> np
[02-Nov-2009 17:52:41] <scratchme> Is there a free plugin for sending/receiving an email to verify SMTP/POP3 actually work, not just the ports open?
[02-Nov-2009 17:53:23] <rmatte> scratchme: no, you'd have to code something yourself and implement it (which isn't super difficult if you use command based data sources)
[02-Nov-2009 17:53:40] <rmatte> scratchme: or find a Nagios plugin that does it, and set it up in Zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 17:53:40] <davetoo> is there not a nagios plugin?
[02-Nov-2009 17:54:08] <rmatte> davetoo: either way, he still needs to configure it using command based datasources
[02-Nov-2009 17:54:28] <scratchme> It just seems like something that would already be done.
[02-Nov-2009 17:54:51] <rmatte> nope
[02-Nov-2009 17:54:51] <davetoo> yep
[02-Nov-2009 17:54:56] <davetoo> Enterprise
[02-Nov-2009 17:55:08] <rmatte> yeh, enterprise has all sorts of extra stuff
[02-Nov-2009 17:55:18] <scratchme> Right, but I'm a cheap bastard.
[02-Nov-2009 17:55:25] <scratchme> I can admit it freely.
[02-Nov-2009 17:55:29] <rmatte> but with core they give you the basics but allow you to build functionality on top of it
[02-Nov-2009 17:55:44] <rmatte> which is how I get half of our monitoring done
[02-Nov-2009 17:55:48] <rmatte> I write custom scripts
[02-Nov-2009 17:55:56] <scratchme> Nagios appears to be a competing product or am I misunderstanding?
[02-Nov-2009 17:56:17] <rmatte> Nagios is an alternate monitoring tool, but Zenoss supports Nagios plugins
[02-Nov-2009 17:56:44] <rmatte> so if you can find a Nagios plugin somewhere that can be used to do that you can implement it with Zenoss quite easily
[02-Nov-2009 17:57:20] <scratchme> I see what you mean now. Thanks for newbie-fying it for me.
[02-Nov-2009 17:57:27] <rmatte> all good
[02-Nov-2009 17:57:37] <rmatte> we seem to have a lot of new interest in Zenoss today
[02-Nov-2009 17:57:46] <rmatte> I haven't seen so many noobs in a while :)
[02-Nov-2009 17:58:02] <scratchme> I've been using it a while, but just real basic stuff.
[02-Nov-2009 17:58:10] <scratchme> Port probing, ping, etc
[02-Nov-2009 17:58:17] <rmatte> ah
[02-Nov-2009 17:58:33] <rmatte> yeh, I've been using it to do all sorts of custom monitoring
[02-Nov-2009 17:58:51] <rmatte> it's nice how flexible it is
[02-Nov-2009 17:59:01] <rmatte> just takes a bit of work to get some stuff setup
[02-Nov-2009 17:59:35] <davetoo> I'm having a rough day with zenoss today
[02-Nov-2009 17:59:50] <rmatte> davetoo: upgraded to 2.5 did you?
[02-Nov-2009 17:59:50] <scratchme> rmatte, Are there some reference sites you use for scripting?
[02-Nov-2009 17:59:51] <rmatte> lol
[02-Nov-2009 17:59:59] <davetoo> nope
[02-Nov-2009 18:00:16] <rmatte> scratchme: not really, I just learned bits and pieces from people in here, and docs all over the place
[02-Nov-2009 18:00:31] <rmatte> scratchme: you really just need to understand that it needs to output in nagios format
[02-Nov-2009 18:00:33] <davetoo> just trying to replicate my 2.4.5 development system onto the production systems; having a hell of a time with the remote collector deployments.
[02-Nov-2009 18:00:42] <scratchme> rmatte, So, no consolidated Fine Manual to slap me with?
[02-Nov-2009 18:01:04] <rmatte> scratchme: I assume you're aware of the Zenoss Admin Guide and Zenoss Developer's Guide?
[02-Nov-2009 18:01:29] <scratchme> rmatte, lemme go review those. It's been a while, and I'm not sure I ever bothered to read the dev one.
[02-Nov-2009 18:01:50] <scratchme> community/documentation
[02-Nov-2009 18:01:52] <rmatte> I've read parts of the dev one, haven't read it all the way through
[02-Nov-2009 18:01:54] <scratchme> This looks promising.
[02-Nov-2009 18:01:55] <rmatte> I plan to eventually
[02-Nov-2009 18:02:12] <rmatte> yeh, there's a lot of stuff in there too
[02-Nov-2009 18:02:17] <rmatte> it's just kind of scattered
[02-Nov-2009 18:02:18] <rmatte> lol
[02-Nov-2009 18:02:33] <rmatte> scratchme: you can always look at existing ZenPacks too for examples
[02-Nov-2009 18:02:35] <scratchme> I have version 2.3.2. Should I upgrade?
[02-Nov-2009 18:02:59] <rmatte> scratchme: my Windows SNMP Performance Monitor ZenPacks use scripts that I coded to output in Nagios plugin format for instance
[02-Nov-2009 18:03:06] <scratchme> I think I have 5 or 6 servers monitored, with maybe 6 ports on some.
[02-Nov-2009 18:03:10] <rmatte> scratchme: quite a few other ZenPacks are similar
[02-Nov-2009 18:03:28] <scratchme> Okay, I'll try that.
[02-Nov-2009 18:03:28] <davetoo> from 2.3.2? hell yes
[02-Nov-2009 18:03:36] <rmatte> scratchme: the new Synthetic Transactions ZenPack uses the Nagios collector plugin format too
[02-Nov-2009 18:03:41] <davetoo> mind the upgrade sequence requirements, thouhg;
[02-Nov-2009 18:04:10] <rmatte> davetoo: he can just upgrade straight to 2.4.5, can't upgrade straight to 2.5 though
[02-Nov-2009 18:04:10] <davetoo> I usually feel better, where I can afford to lose the RRD data, I like to start fresh
[02-Nov-2009 18:04:53] <scratchme> Maybe I'll capture the data on the admin pages before I bother just incase I have to re-setup the system.
[02-Nov-2009 18:05:00] <rmatte> scratchme: after upgrading to 2.4.5 read this: docs/DOC-4434
[02-Nov-2009 18:05:26] <rmatte> It's a little Post-2.4.5 install guide that I wrote
[02-Nov-2009 18:05:30] <scratchme> It would be better to stay pre-2.5 then?
[02-Nov-2009 18:05:46] <rmatte> I'd recommend upgrading to 2.4.5
[02-Nov-2009 18:05:50] <rmatte> and staying at that for the time being
[02-Nov-2009 18:05:57] <rmatte> 2.5 is not production ready yet in my opinion
[02-Nov-2009 18:06:16] <rmatte> but yeh, upgrade to 2.4.5 and follow the steps listed here: docs/DOC-4434
[02-Nov-2009 18:06:39] <rmatte> you need to upgrade to 2.4.x before upgrading to 2.5 anyways
[02-Nov-2009 18:08:05] <rmatte> scratchme: how did you install, via stack installer?
[02-Nov-2009 18:08:27] <scratchme> rmatte, tbh, I don't really recall.
[02-Nov-2009 18:08:40] <rmatte> what flavour of Linux are you running?
[02-Nov-2009 18:08:46] <rmatte> and what is your $ZENHOME directory?
[02-Nov-2009 18:08:51] <scratchme> I either used a VM image, or Debian and then added it.
[02-Nov-2009 18:09:15] <rmatte> what is your $ZENHOME directory? that's pretty much a dead giveaway
[02-Nov-2009 18:09:32] <rmatte> sudo su - zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 18:09:36] <rmatte> cd $ZENHOME
[02-Nov-2009 18:09:37] <rmatte> pwd
[02-Nov-2009 18:12:37] <scratchme> For some reason the console isn't logging me in. Stuck at password prompt.
[02-Nov-2009 18:12:44] <scratchme> I'll try an ssh.
[02-Nov-2009 18:13:22] <scratchme> Weird, worked right away.
[02-Nov-2009 18:13:32] krphop is now known as krphop_afk
[02-Nov-2009 18:13:50] <scratchme> zenoss@zenoss1:/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss$ pwd
[02-Nov-2009 18:13:50] <scratchme> /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 18:13:58] <rmatte> then you used stack installer
[02-Nov-2009 18:14:10] <rmatte> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/zenoss-stack-2.4.5-linux-x64.bin
[02-Nov-2009 18:14:14] <rmatte> download and run that to upgrade
[02-Nov-2009 18:14:27] <rmatte> Then follow these steps: docs/DOC-4434
[02-Nov-2009 18:14:47] <rmatte> and you'll be good until some stuff in 2.5 is fixed
[02-Nov-2009 18:14:47] <scratchme> uname -r returns this: 2.6.18.8.xs5.0.0.10.439
[02-Nov-2009 18:15:12] <rmatte> is it a 32bit or 64bit system?
[02-Nov-2009 18:15:32] <wdw> you want uname -p for that
[02-Nov-2009 18:15:58] <kobalt> or you could just do uname -a
[02-Nov-2009 18:15:58] <kobalt> lol
[02-Nov-2009 18:16:04] <rmatte> yeh, I always do uname -a
[02-Nov-2009 18:16:13] <scratchme> Linux zenoss1 2.6.18.8.xs5.0.0.10.439 #1 SMP Wed Aug 6 23:55:12 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[02-Nov-2009 18:16:43] <wdw> those extra bytes down the wire hure the poor trucks carrying our tubes.. why oh why won't someone think of the trucks
[02-Nov-2009 18:16:46] <rmatte> you really need to correct your date/time on there
[02-Nov-2009 18:16:49] <rmatte> it's not 2008 anymore
[02-Nov-2009 18:16:50] <rmatte> :)
[02-Nov-2009 18:17:03] <rmatte> apt-get install ntpdate && ntpdate ntp.nasa.gov
[02-Nov-2009 18:17:07] <scratchme> Interesting
[02-Nov-2009 18:17:41] <Aziraphale> compile date
[02-Nov-2009 18:17:53] <rmatte> ah
[02-Nov-2009 18:17:55] <rmatte> right
[02-Nov-2009 18:18:08] <rmatte> needs an update then :P
[02-Nov-2009 18:18:10] <wdw> and you mocked me for selectively displaying the required info ;)
[02-Nov-2009 18:18:30] <rmatte> either way, that should be 64bit
[02-Nov-2009 18:18:55] <rmatte> actually
[02-Nov-2009 18:19:13] <rmatte> there's no "x86_64" showing
[02-Nov-2009 18:19:25] <rmatte> Linux gen01 2.6.24-19-server #1 SMP Wed Aug 20 18:43:06 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02-Nov-2009 18:19:37] <scratchme> So I need the x86 one.
[02-Nov-2009 18:19:44] <rmatte> looks like
[02-Nov-2009 18:19:48] <rmatte> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/zenoss-stack-2.4.5-linux.bin
[02-Nov-2009 18:19:56] <rmatte> that be the one
[02-Nov-2009 18:20:14] <rmatte> I need to take off and head home
[02-Nov-2009 18:20:18] <rmatte> talk to you guys later
[02-Nov-2009 18:21:12] <rmatte> From chudler in regards to the XMPP ZenPack issues with 2.5:
[02-Nov-2009 18:21:42] <rmatte> Thanks for the report. I found and fixed this problem on 7 OCT 09 in <http://zenpacks.zenoss.org/trac-zenpacks/changeset/401>. I haven't built a new egg yet. I expect to release the updated version on Wed. Sorry for the problem, I didn't know it would fail in 2.5; when I first saw the bug, I was testing some completely unrelated functionality on 2.4.5.
[02-Nov-2009 18:22:26] <rmatte> That's why I'm waiting for everyone to get their act together with 2.5 before upgrading :)
[02-Nov-2009 18:22:41] <wdw> I'm beginning to regrethaving started with 2.5 now
[02-Nov-2009 18:23:18] <davetoo> oh
[02-Nov-2009 18:23:18] <davetoo> yes
[02-Nov-2009 18:23:20] <wdw> my prefernece is that the only potential screwup in the process is me, so I can isolate the issue to me
[02-Nov-2009 18:23:24] <rmatte> wdw: If you're using it for prod I'd suggest installing 2.4.5, otherwise just hold on for the time being and hopefully it'll get better soon
[02-Nov-2009 18:23:25] <davetoo> it's so shiny and new
[02-Nov-2009 18:23:40] <wdw> rmatte: nowhere near prod yet :)
[02-Nov-2009 18:24:11] <rmatte> wdw: then just hold on and hopefully it'll be useable by 2.5.1 or 2.5.2 (though I predict that I won't actually like it until 2.5.3)
[02-Nov-2009 18:24:25] <rmatte> I didn't like 2.3 until 2.3.3
[02-Nov-2009 18:24:45] <rmatte> didn't like 2.4 until 2.4.3 (but then there were bugs found which pushed it up to 2.4.5 in like 2 days lol)
[02-Nov-2009 18:24:52] <rmatte> and then there were those 3 patches
[02-Nov-2009 18:25:01] <rmatte> now I'm quite happy with it, so it's staying as is for now
[02-Nov-2009 18:25:24] <rmatte> I'm not upgrading 11 Zenoss Core servers until I'm fully happy with where 2.5 is at
[02-Nov-2009 18:25:37] <davetoo> I forgot to apply my own patches to this new system :)
[02-Nov-2009 18:25:40] <rmatte> anyways, I'm out of here, good night folks
[02-Nov-2009 18:25:45] <scratchme> 'night thx
[02-Nov-2009 18:25:49] <rmatte> np
[02-Nov-2009 21:46:41] <cmdln> where can I get good documentation on transforms?
[02-Nov-2009 21:46:52] <cmdln> like what is available evt.blah
[02-Nov-2009 21:46:58] <cmdln> etc ..
[02-Nov-2009 21:47:06] <cmdln> im struggling with this stupid transform
[02-Nov-2009 21:54:36] <cmdln> event transforms are inherited arent they?
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[03-Nov-2009 03:02:31] <swarog> after reinstallation and upgrade from 2.4 to 2.5, can i just zenrestore from previously backup>?
[03-Nov-2009 03:04:22] <swarog> hmm
[03-Nov-2009 03:04:48] <swarog> restored from file previously backed up by "zenbackup --save-mysql-access --file /tmp/zenoss-backup.tgz"
[03-Nov-2009 03:05:05] <swarog> when i open zenoss in browser it offers me new installation
[03-Nov-2009 03:11:03] <swarog> hitting submit on qs-step1 page doesnt do anything
[03-Nov-2009 03:14:57] <swarog> getting http://pastebin.com/m62d5957c in zeo.log each time i hit "submit"
[03-Nov-2009 03:15:08] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[03-Nov-2009 03:22:12] <swarog> ok, now ive removed the package and installed it again
[03-Nov-2009 03:22:17] <swarog> this time installation failed
[03-Nov-2009 03:26:38] <swarog> http://pastebin.com/m3622294
[03-Nov-2009 03:26:57] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[03-Nov-2009 03:36:49] <swarog> oh boy, second installation attempt resulted in yet another error
[03-Nov-2009 03:38:16] <swarog> my bad this time "no space left on device"
[03-Nov-2009 06:03:35] <Skaag> is it possible to install just a collector?
[03-Nov-2009 06:25:34] <Troubadix09> hi all
[03-Nov-2009 06:53:30] krphop_afk is now known as krphop
[03-Nov-2009 08:24:47] <Guest2140> hello
[03-Nov-2009 08:24:52] <Guest2140> good morning
[03-Nov-2009 08:27:04] <Guest2140> some now where is the directory too put the mibs
[03-Nov-2009 08:28:06] <Guest2140> in the vmware zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 08:46:14] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: /usr/share/mibs/site ... if not exist, create the dir "site" with user/group = zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 08:46:56] <Guest2140> im folow the document you send me yesterday
[03-Nov-2009 08:46:59] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: create a symbolic link from $ZENHOME/share to /usr/share
[03-Nov-2009 08:48:14] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: If not exist, create a symbolic link from $ZENHOME/libexec to /usr/libexec
[03-Nov-2009 08:48:28] <Guest2140> not exist
[03-Nov-2009 08:48:30] <Guest2140> i create
[03-Nov-2009 08:49:21] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: and insert the following line in your .profile
[03-Nov-2009 08:49:34] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: export SMIPATH=/home/zenoss/share/mibs/:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/iana:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/irtf:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/site:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/site/3Com:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/site/dell:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/site/hp:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/tubs
[03-Nov-2009 08:49:51] <Guest2140> where is my .profile?
[03-Nov-2009 08:50:01] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: In one Line with no space
[03-Nov-2009 08:50:15] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: $ZENHOME/.profile
[03-Nov-2009 08:50:26] <Guest2140> ok
[03-Nov-2009 08:50:38] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: as root: su - zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 08:51:28] <Troubadix09> Guest: btw become user zenoss for my advise above
[03-Nov-2009 08:51:34] <rmatte> good morning guys
[03-Nov-2009 08:51:39] <Troubadix09> hi rmatte
[03-Nov-2009 08:51:42] <rmatte> hey
[03-Nov-2009 08:51:49] <mrayzenoss> morning
[03-Nov-2009 08:51:49] <Guest2140> good morning
[03-Nov-2009 08:51:59] <rmatte> well, time to mess around with bcfg2 this morning
[03-Nov-2009 08:52:09] <Troubadix09> good afternoon mrayzenoss
[03-Nov-2009 08:52:09] <rmatte> I'm anxious to see what I can do with it
[03-Nov-2009 08:53:17] <mrayzenoss> Troubadix09: greetings
[03-Nov-2009 08:53:25] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: sounds cool, looking forward to it
[03-Nov-2009 08:54:42] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: I'm going to see if I can write something for it to control the deployment of ZenPacks
[03-Nov-2009 08:55:04] <rmatte> eugh, and my workstation is running unbelievable slow right now for whatever reason
[03-Nov-2009 08:56:03] <rmatte> I love that my workstation has better uptime than most of our servers: 09:53:45 up 94 days, 20:36, 3 users, load average: 0.58, 0.41, 0.31
[03-Nov-2009 09:01:59] <Guest2140> Troubadix09: ready
[03-Nov-2009 09:02:17] <Guest2140> now, put my mib inside /site?
[03-Nov-2009 09:03:48] <mdereus> rmatte: Saw your post on the forum, I did do a backup before upgrading to 2.5, but unsure what I should do at this point. Restore the backup or just wait for 2.5.1 and start over.
[03-Nov-2009 09:08:24] <cmdln> hello
[03-Nov-2009 09:09:15] <mrayzenoss> greetings
[03-Nov-2009 09:09:41] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: are you user zenoss?
[03-Nov-2009 09:09:51] <Guest2140> yes
[03-Nov-2009 09:09:59] <cmdln> I have an event transform that merges two devices, if evt.device == '192.168.1.2': evt.device = 'device'
[03-Nov-2009 09:10:13] <Guest2140> it my first time
[03-Nov-2009 09:10:36] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: copy, transfer, move, download or whatever your MIB-file(s) to $ZENHOME/share/mibs/site
[03-Nov-2009 09:10:40] <cmdln> the transform works fine, when I go to Classes | Devices I see teh color thing change and the number count increase (from the transformed traps)
[03-Nov-2009 09:11:02] <cmdln> what does not work, is the dashboard. Nothing shows up as having any issues
[03-Nov-2009 09:11:17] <Guest2140> ok,
[03-Nov-2009 09:11:17] <cmdln> did I need to add something else to the event transform?
[03-Nov-2009 09:11:21] <Guest2140> ready
[03-Nov-2009 09:13:04] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: If you want, make subdirectories under .../site, like "dell", "hp", "cisco" or whatever, to sort your mibs, but it is not needed
[03-Nov-2009 09:13:39] <Guest2140> after copy my mib
[03-Nov-2009 09:13:42] <Guest2140> and organize
[03-Nov-2009 09:13:54] <Guest2140> i need to run zenmib?
[03-Nov-2009 09:16:43] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: yes, but if you want MIBs import to zenoss together in one step, don't sort them in subdirectories
[03-Nov-2009 09:16:59] <Guest2140> ok
[03-Nov-2009 09:17:18] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: in my case i sort them, because i import them step by step over long time
[03-Nov-2009 09:17:32] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: when i need them
[03-Nov-2009 09:17:38] <Guest2140> ok
[03-Nov-2009 09:17:46] <Guest2140> for the momento only need
[03-Nov-2009 09:17:49] <Guest2140> is fortigate
[03-Nov-2009 09:17:52] <Guest2140> an 3com
[03-Nov-2009 09:17:57] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: when they all in /site
[03-Nov-2009 09:18:18] <Guest2140> yes
[03-Nov-2009 09:18:22] <Guest2140> all in site
[03-Nov-2009 09:19:19] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: run "zenmib run -v10 * >&./log/zenmib.log" to have a logfile
[03-Nov-2009 09:20:26] <Guest2140> such or file dont exist
[03-Nov-2009 09:20:34] <Guest2140> is the advert
[03-Nov-2009 09:20:47] <Guest2140> sorry
[03-Nov-2009 09:20:49] <Guest2140> No such file or directory
[03-Nov-2009 09:27:23] <gwb2351> i'm trying to install the ZenPacks.Iwillfearnoevil.Domain-1.0.3-py2.4.egg referenced in this thread thread/11816?start=0&tstart=0 and get the error "ERROR: zenpack command failed. Reason: A ZenPack egg must contain exactly one zenoss.zenpacks entry point. This egg appears to contain 0 such entry points." Suggestions?
[03-Nov-2009 09:27:30] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Can Zenoss monitor ssl cert expiration... (at community.zenoss.org)
[03-Nov-2009 09:27:55] <mrayzenoss> gwb2351: does the file end with .zip?
[03-Nov-2009 09:28:06] <mrayzenoss> gwb2351: you probably need to unzip it first
[03-Nov-2009 09:28:06] <gwb2351> no; i renamed it to just .egg
[03-Nov-2009 09:28:10] <mdereus> gwb2351: extract the .egg file from the .zip
[03-Nov-2009 09:28:14] <gwb2351> duh, thanks
[03-Nov-2009 09:29:25] <gwb2351> I haven't done this enough times, the "Select the ZenPack .zip file to upload and install" dialog always throws me off
[03-Nov-2009 09:30:37] <gwb2351> new error now, "ERROR: zenpack command failed. Reason: No module named Iwillfearnoevil.Domain"
[03-Nov-2009 09:31:46] <Skaag> I added snmp to a host that was auto discovered, how do I tell Zenoss to start polling the snmp service?
[03-Nov-2009 09:33:18] <gwb2351> but, doing it from the command line on the hub everything is good, so plz ignore
[03-Nov-2009 09:37:44] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: try zenmib run -v10 * &>./log/zenmib.log
[03-Nov-2009 09:38:42] <mdereus> gwb2351: I've had that problem (I'm a noob myself) and tried it one or two more times then it worked.
[03-Nov-2009 09:39:14] <gwb2351> i'll be thrilled if we can dump our nagios plugins that monitor cert expiration
[03-Nov-2009 09:57:48] <mrayzenoss> gwb2351: we changed the wording of the ZenPack installer with 2.5
[03-Nov-2009 09:57:58] <mrayzenoss> "Select the ZenPack file to upload and install."
[03-Nov-2009 09:58:25] <jrock2004> Sorry guys I have not been on for a bit
[03-Nov-2009 09:58:56] <mrayzenoss> gwb2351: BTW, I'll be officially posting that ZenPack today if I get the cycles for it
[03-Nov-2009 10:12:19] <mrayzenoss> If you're running source builds: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5765
[03-Nov-2009 10:18:38] <cmdln> Is there something special I have to do in order to get the event notification icons to notify at higher levels on the device class tree?
[03-Nov-2009 10:18:57] <cmdln> correction, something special when doing an event transform
[03-Nov-2009 10:19:19] <cmdln> thread/11886?tstart=0
[03-Nov-2009 10:19:26] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Event Transform to merge devices (at community.zenoss.org)
[03-Nov-2009 10:23:25] <swarog> wmi zenpack works with 2.5?
[03-Nov-2009 10:23:36] <swarog> i see that wmi data source is not
[03-Nov-2009 10:24:18] <mrayzenoss> not yet, the author is still working on it
[03-Nov-2009 10:24:34] <swarog> i hope its going to be released soon
[03-Nov-2009 10:25:14] <cmdln> no ideas on merging devices with event transforms?
[03-Nov-2009 10:41:34] <Guest2140> i need your help
[03-Nov-2009 10:41:45] <Guest2140> after run zenmib
[03-Nov-2009 10:42:03] <Guest2140> my zenoss stop to work
[03-Nov-2009 10:42:21] <Guest2140> i restart vmware
[03-Nov-2009 10:42:38] <Guest2140> and have a lot of error
[03-Nov-2009 11:02:59] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: What says the log-file, what errors, what say (as user zenoss) zenoss status
[03-Nov-2009 11:03:43] <Guest2140> sorry, troubadix09
[03-Nov-2009 11:04:01] <Guest2140> but i run the command without file
[03-Nov-2009 11:04:10] <Guest2140> and i dont have log file
[03-Nov-2009 11:04:23] <Guest2140> i am in trouble
[03-Nov-2009 11:04:53] <Guest2140> i need too go too lucnch
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:15] <Troubadix09> oh, lunch, thats trouble enough
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:20] <Troubadix09> hehe
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:22] <cmdln> mmm
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:28] <cmdln> wth
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:30] <Guest2140> i be back in one houere
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:41] <Guest2140> dont worry
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:47] <Troubadix09> i be back tomorrow
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:50] <cmdln> so I added a couple things to my event transform
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:57] <rmatte> cmdln: define "merging"
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:58] <Guest2140> i only try
[03-Nov-2009 11:06:16] <Guest2140> is on testing platyaform
[03-Nov-2009 11:06:24] <cmdln> two devices seen as only one
[03-Nov-2009 11:06:47] <cmdln> I added >
[03-Nov-2009 11:06:47] <cmdln> >
[03-Nov-2009 11:06:48] <rmatte> cmdln: I've seen people try to do that in the past and not have much luck
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:07] <rmatte> cmdln: I know how I'd go about doing it, I just don't know how well Zenoss would handle it
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:22] <rmatte> First off, why do you need to do that?
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:34] <rmatte> 1 active and 1 standby?
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:37] <cmdln> I dont want everydevice showing up twice
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:37] <Guest2140> how is teh best forme too put on production?
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:47] <cmdln> because its really one device
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:50] <Guest2140> vmware or intall on distro?
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:52] <rmatte> why would you have every device showing up twice in the first place?
[03-Nov-2009 11:08:07] <rmatte> that's what I'm trying to understand
[03-Nov-2009 11:08:13] <cmdln> snmp running in OS, snmp traps from light out card
[03-Nov-2009 11:08:20] <rmatte> ah
[03-Nov-2009 11:08:26] <cmdln> i have it partially working
[03-Nov-2009 11:08:39] <rmatte> the proper way to do it is to have the ILO forward the traps to the OS, and then have the OS forward them on to Zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 11:09:01] <cmdln> humm
[03-Nov-2009 11:09:20] <cmdln> well does anyone know how to configure ucd snmpd to do that?
[03-Nov-2009 11:09:29] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: there different opinions
[03-Nov-2009 11:09:40] <Guest2140> and yours
[03-Nov-2009 11:11:38] <Troubadix09> Guest: I think with a little enlargement the VM-Appliance work for low up to medium Network,
[03-Nov-2009 11:13:27] <Troubadix09> Guest: First I try an ubuntu stack install, but after some Time the zenoss hangs repeatedly from time to time, as more devices I add
[03-Nov-2009 11:14:07] <Troubadix09> Guest: Now I use the VM-Appliance with some enlargement, at it works stable and fine for me
[03-Nov-2009 11:14:17] <Troubadix09> Guest: at=and
[03-Nov-2009 11:14:41] <Guest2140> OK
[03-Nov-2009 11:14:44] <Guest2140> thanks
[03-Nov-2009 11:15:16] <Troubadix09> Guest: and its easy to update
[03-Nov-2009 11:15:37] <Troubadix09> Guest: via rpath-web-gui or conary
[03-Nov-2009 11:15:46] <Guest2140> i am probing on vmware
[03-Nov-2009 11:16:26] <rmatte> cmdln: check google, I'm sure there's a guide somewhere
[03-Nov-2009 11:16:27] <Guest2140> on a future we have instal blade chasis
[03-Nov-2009 11:16:50] <Troubadix09> Guest: another possibility ist to install distro on VM
[03-Nov-2009 11:17:33] <Guest2140> and we have posibility to use one page to vitual machines
[03-Nov-2009 11:17:57] <cmdln> I run zenoss on a vm
[03-Nov-2009 11:18:03] <cmdln> but i use Xen not Vmware
[03-Nov-2009 11:19:14] <Guest2140> for now i using vmware, but my idea is use suse linux wiht xen, it is posible?
[03-Nov-2009 11:19:21] <cmdln> sure
[03-Nov-2009 11:19:36] <cmdln> you can use vmware though if your more comfortable with it
[03-Nov-2009 11:20:43] <Troubadix09> cmdln: I think it run on every VM, like Windows Virtual Server or another Host-System, am I right?
[03-Nov-2009 11:20:56] <cmdln> sure
[03-Nov-2009 11:21:09] <cmdln> vm is really no different than bare metal
[03-Nov-2009 11:21:27] <Guest2140> we are usin vmware becouse hear all is windows
[03-Nov-2009 11:21:32] <cmdln> as long as your chosen os/distro will run zenoss you can run whatever you want
[03-Nov-2009 11:21:37] <Guest2140> i try too change some thinks
[03-Nov-2009 11:22:27] <Troubadix09> Guest: Using VMware VSphere4 or ESX-VI 3.5 is on Linux
[03-Nov-2009 11:22:47] <Troubadix09> Guest: also the free ESXi
[03-Nov-2009 11:25:52] <Guest2140> i try too doo two thinks
[03-Nov-2009 11:26:09] <Guest2140> control isp and another thinks using zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 11:26:18] <Guest2140> and profiles romte
[03-Nov-2009 11:26:21] <Guest2140> remote
[03-Nov-2009 11:28:38] <rmatte> Guest2140: remote windows profiles you mean?
[03-Nov-2009 11:28:45] <rmatte> Guest2140: Zenoss can't do anything with those
[03-Nov-2009 11:29:02] <rmatte> like roaming profiles?
[03-Nov-2009 11:29:17] <Guest2140> no
[03-Nov-2009 11:29:28] <Guest2140> the are two difernent proyect
[03-Nov-2009 11:31:29] <rmatte> Guest2140: do you speak french?
[03-Nov-2009 11:31:41] <Guest2140> no
[03-Nov-2009 11:31:49] <Guest2140> spanish
[03-Nov-2009 11:32:03] <Guest2140> a litle of inglish
[03-Nov-2009 11:32:15] <rmatte> ok, saw you were in Buenos Aires or nearby and I know that French is one of the languages spoken there from time to time
[03-Nov-2009 11:32:27] <rmatte> thought I'd ask since I speak French
[03-Nov-2009 11:32:36] <Guest2140> how can change my name,
[03-Nov-2009 11:32:45] <Guest2140> im using pidgin
[03-Nov-2009 11:32:54] <rmatte> /nick whatever
[03-Nov-2009 11:33:08] Guest2140 is now known as mnandres
[03-Nov-2009 11:33:19] <mnandres> thnaks
[03-Nov-2009 11:33:25] <rmatte> no rpoblem
[03-Nov-2009 11:33:27] <rmatte> problem*
[03-Nov-2009 11:33:40] <mnandres> im from argentina
[03-Nov-2009 11:33:47] <rmatte> cool
[03-Nov-2009 11:34:10] <mnandres> where are you?
[03-Nov-2009 11:34:14] <rmatte> Canada
[03-Nov-2009 11:34:20] <mnandres> nice
[03-Nov-2009 11:35:51] <mnandres> and the others
[03-Nov-2009 11:35:58] <mnandres> troubadix
[03-Nov-2009 11:36:14] Bryanstein is now known as zz_Bryanstein
[03-Nov-2009 11:37:53] <Troubadix09> mnandres: Germany
[03-Nov-2009 11:38:00] <mnandres> guau
[03-Nov-2009 11:38:10] <mnandres> some manual of rpath
[03-Nov-2009 11:38:21] <mnandres> i need too configure linux proxys
[03-Nov-2009 11:39:10] <mrayzenoss> if you're looking to customize your Zenoss installation, you probably want a better platform than the VM from Zenoss. The rPath one is a pain to customize
[03-Nov-2009 11:39:45] <mnandres> i dont understand
[03-Nov-2009 11:40:11] <mrayzenoss> the VMware image supplied by Zenoss is very limited
[03-Nov-2009 11:40:13] <mnandres> i need to set another proxy to mi zenoss vmware machine
[03-Nov-2009 11:40:23] <mrayzenoss> ahh, sorry, misunderstood
[03-Nov-2009 11:40:34] <mnandres> that image is upgradeable?
[03-Nov-2009 11:41:53] <Troubadix09> mnandres: yes, read Upgrade-Section in Install-Manual
[03-Nov-2009 11:42:13] <Troubadix09> mnandres: chapter 8
[03-Nov-2009 11:42:17] <mnandres> i have tre manual
[03-Nov-2009 11:42:25] <mnandres> three
[03-Nov-2009 11:42:29] <Troubadix09> mnandres: point to 8.4
[03-Nov-2009 11:42:39] <Troubadix09> mnandres: on page 19
[03-Nov-2009 11:42:43] <mnandres> getting started
[03-Nov-2009 11:43:03] <mnandres> zenoss administartion
[03-Nov-2009 11:43:23] <mnandres> and zenoss extending monitorin
[03-Nov-2009 11:44:00] <kisielk> hmph, something is fukt in my Zenoss database :/
[03-Nov-2009 11:44:30] <kisielk> If I click on one of the processes in my process tree, I get a huge stack trace
[03-Nov-2009 11:45:30] <Troubadix09> mnandres: here are the "Zenoss Installation Guide" community/documentation download and read on chapter 8
[03-Nov-2009 11:45:38] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: Documentation (at community.zenoss.org)
[03-Nov-2009 11:47:35] <Troubadix09> mnandres: back to set up proxy for the zenoss-appliance
[03-Nov-2009 11:48:27] <Troubadix09> mnandres: go to https://ZENOSS-SERVER-IP:8003/rAA
[03-Nov-2009 11:48:57] <Troubadix09> mnandres: login and go to Configuration/Configure Proxy
[03-Nov-2009 11:50:29] <mnandres> user and pass?
[03-Nov-2009 11:51:45] <Troubadix09> mnandres: first time it is admin/password
[03-Nov-2009 11:52:00] <mnandres> mmmm
[03-Nov-2009 11:52:45] <Troubadix09> mnandres: change it immediatly
[03-Nov-2009 11:53:24] <Troubadix09> mnandres: I'm not sure, the pass could be "Password"
[03-Nov-2009 11:53:31] <mnandres> yes
[03-Nov-2009 11:53:34] <mnandres> it work
[03-Nov-2009 11:53:37] <mnandres> hehehehe
[03-Nov-2009 11:54:01] <jrock2004> rmatte: are you here?
[03-Nov-2009 11:54:13] <rmatte> yeh
[03-Nov-2009 11:54:16] <rmatte> what's up?
[03-Nov-2009 11:54:44] <jrock2004> rmatte: I wanted to ask if you if it is ok if I mention your name at my zenoss training on Wedsnday?
[03-Nov-2009 11:55:27] <rmatte> mention my name in relation to what?
[03-Nov-2009 11:55:28] <rmatte> lol
[03-Nov-2009 11:55:58] <jrock2004> As far as one of the helpers that our on the irc channel when needed
[03-Nov-2009 11:56:07] <jrock2004> I know there are a lot of them here
[03-Nov-2009 11:56:09] <rmatte> yup, no problem
[03-Nov-2009 11:56:17] <rmatte> I'm one of the "Zenoss Masters" anyways
[03-Nov-2009 11:56:33] <jrock2004> Oh and how do you get that title?
[03-Nov-2009 11:57:19] <rmatte> it's given by Zenoss Inc if they find that you are devoting a lot of time and effort to improving the Zenoss community
[03-Nov-2009 11:57:36] <rmatte> you also need to have a fairly high skill level with Zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 11:57:58] <rmatte> docs/DOC-2613
[03-Nov-2009 11:58:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - People (at community.zenoss.org)
[03-Nov-2009 11:58:15] <rmatte> read the Zenoss Masters section on that document for a better description
[03-Nov-2009 11:58:21] <rmatte> ooooh, adytum-bot is back!
[03-Nov-2009 11:59:23] <Troubadix09> Oh ... I make a bow in the direction to rmatte
[03-Nov-2009 11:59:35] <rmatte> hehe
[03-Nov-2009 11:59:46] <rmatte> please, please, hold the applause
[03-Nov-2009 11:59:51] <rmatte> :P
[03-Nov-2009 12:01:21] <kisielk> okay, how do I delete an object through ZenDMD ?
[03-Nov-2009 12:02:21] <kisielk> this one process entry is totally bombed, need to remove it
[03-Nov-2009 12:02:31] <jrock2004> rmatte: Thanks
[03-Nov-2009 12:02:54] <Troubadix09> ups ... 7:00PM here in Germany, worktime is over since a long time
[03-Nov-2009 12:03:28] <Troubadix09> right time for after-workk-party
[03-Nov-2009 12:03:30] <kisielk> if I try to delete this process through the manage zope interface, it backtraces
[03-Nov-2009 12:03:42] <kisielk> if I try to even click on it in Zenoss, also backtrace..
[03-Nov-2009 12:04:00] <Troubadix09> cu all
[03-Nov-2009 12:04:43] <rmatte> kisielk: like a process that shows up on the OS tab?
[03-Nov-2009 12:04:55] <kisielk> as in the Process/ tree
[03-Nov-2009 12:05:06] <kisielk> it's causing zenprocess to crash
[03-Nov-2009 12:05:18] <kisielk> presumably because something there is very wrong in the DB
[03-Nov-2009 12:05:23] <rmatte> like: /zport/dmd/Processes/manage
[03-Nov-2009 12:05:24] <rmatte> ?
[03-Nov-2009 12:05:26] <kisielk> yess
[03-Nov-2009 12:05:42] <rmatte> one sec, shouldn't be too hard...
[03-Nov-2009 12:07:27] <rmatte> dmd.Processes.manage_delObjects
[03-Nov-2009 12:07:35] <rmatte> so dmd.Processes.manage_delObjects('process name')
[03-Nov-2009 12:07:46] <rmatte> then commit()
[03-Nov-2009 12:08:52] <davetoo> These pysamba reactor polling countdown debug messages are incredibly annoyting
[03-Nov-2009 12:10:45] <kisielk> rmatte: okay, so what's going on here:
[03-Nov-2009 12:12:00] <kisielk> http://zenoss.pastebin.com/m13d29bc
[03-Nov-2009 12:12:12] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at zenoss.pastebin.com)
[03-Nov-2009 12:13:26] <rmatte> checking...
[03-Nov-2009 12:14:02] <rmatte> kisielk: try this...
[03-Nov-2009 12:14:09] <rmatte> p = dmd.Processes.findObject('servermgrd')
[03-Nov-2009 12:14:17] <rmatte> dmd.Processes.manage_delObjects(p)
[03-Nov-2009 12:14:24] <kisielk> yeah I tried that
[03-Nov-2009 12:14:30] <rmatte> same thing?
[03-Nov-2009 12:14:32] <kisielk> "TypeError: hasattr(): attribute name must be string"
[03-Nov-2009 12:14:57] <rmatte> hmmm ok, it's the right function it's just not liking what's being passed to it...
[03-Nov-2009 12:15:23] <rmatte> does it actually show up exactly as servermgrd in the management interface?
[03-Nov-2009 12:15:28] <kisielk> yes
[03-Nov-2009 12:16:02] <rmatte> is it an organizer or an object?
[03-Nov-2009 12:16:27] <rmatte> oh wait
[03-Nov-2009 12:16:33] <rmatte> try this
[03-Nov-2009 12:16:39] <kisielk> it's an object
[03-Nov-2009 12:16:48] <rmatte> dmd.Processes.osProcessClasses.manage_delObjects('servermgrd')
[03-Nov-2009 12:17:03] <rmatte> I just noticed that it wasn't directly under processes
[03-Nov-2009 12:17:10] <rmatte> let me double check that on my test server
[03-Nov-2009 12:17:33] <kisielk> no, same "does not exist" thing
[03-Nov-2009 12:18:36] <rmatte> ok let me try a few things myself
[03-Nov-2009 12:18:54] <kisielk> sure, thanks
[03-Nov-2009 12:21:30] <rmatte> I can't even get the findObject function to work
[03-Nov-2009 12:21:33] <rmatte> hmmm
[03-Nov-2009 12:22:24] <rmatte> >>> dmd.Processes.findObject('abcdefg123')
[03-Nov-2009 12:22:24] <rmatte> Traceback (most recent call last):
[03-Nov-2009 12:22:24] <rmatte> File "<console>", line 1, in ?
[03-Nov-2009 12:22:24] <rmatte> File "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/ZenPacker.py", line 65, in findObject
[03-Nov-2009 12:22:24] <rmatte> raise AttributeError('Cannot find a unique %s on %s' % (id, self.id))
[03-Nov-2009 12:22:24] <rmatte> AttributeError: Cannot find a unique abcdefg123 on Processes
[03-Nov-2009 12:24:31] <rmatte> oh wait nevermind
[03-Nov-2009 12:24:35] <rmatte> I had to restart zendmd
[03-Nov-2009 12:29:17] <rmatte> hmmm, never thought it would be this hard to delete an object
[03-Nov-2009 12:29:53] <davetoo> Must retrain brain: Add a Zenpack? Update the Collectors! (Or better yet, output NOTICE text to that effect when the zenpack tool exits)
[03-Nov-2009 12:30:36] <rmatte> lol
[03-Nov-2009 12:30:52] <rmatte> Add a ZenPack, restart Zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 12:30:53] <davetoo> the 'bot is back!
[03-Nov-2009 12:30:53] <rmatte> :P
[03-Nov-2009 12:30:54] <mrayzenoss> So everyone who wants to run Zenoss on Windows: blogs/linasoftware/2009/11/03/lina-softwares-cross-platform-port-of-zenoss-25
[03-Nov-2009 12:31:02] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Linux Apps Everywhere: Lina Software's Cross-platform Port of Zenoss 2.5 (at community.zenoss.org)
[03-Nov-2009 12:31:23] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: interesting
[03-Nov-2009 12:31:35] <mrayzenoss> yeah, they did it pretty much by themselves
[03-Nov-2009 12:31:35] <mdereus> Zenoss works too well on linux to make me even want to consider running it on Windows.
[03-Nov-2009 12:31:42] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: though I can't imagine why you'd want to run it on Windows other than for development purposes lol
[03-Nov-2009 12:32:05] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: development is better in Linux though too
[03-Nov-2009 12:32:13] <mdereus> my Zenoss server is the only linux box we have here aside from the VMware ESX servers
[03-Nov-2009 12:32:17] <mrayzenoss> well, that's the great thing about Open Source
[03-Nov-2009 12:33:16] <mnandres> some have zenpack for 3com swicthes
[03-Nov-2009 12:38:15] <kisielk> grrr
[03-Nov-2009 12:38:38] <rmatte> kisielk: I'm running out of ideas, I've tried everything I can think of
[03-Nov-2009 12:38:49] <rmatte> kisielk: I hate how stuff has to be so unobvious
[03-Nov-2009 12:41:37] <rmatte> kisielk: can't find where the code is stored that actually performs the action either
[03-Nov-2009 12:47:54] <rmatte> kisielk: you'd have to ask Chet or something
[03-Nov-2009 12:47:59] <rmatte> I give up
[03-Nov-2009 12:47:59] <rmatte> lol
[03-Nov-2009 12:50:37] <rmatte> never thought it would be that difficult to do, ridiculous
[03-Nov-2009 12:50:54] <cmdln> this is getting frustrating
[03-Nov-2009 12:50:55] <cmdln> heh
[03-Nov-2009 12:51:02] <cmdln> i must be an idiot
[03-Nov-2009 12:51:38] <rmatte> hmmm, food time, bbiab
[03-Nov-2009 12:57:07] <rmatte> back
[03-Nov-2009 13:05:55] <rmatte> mmmm, poutine
[03-Nov-2009 13:18:51] * __jd__ is having a strange problem with process alerts in both 2.4.5 and 2.5..
[03-Nov-2009 13:19:34] <__jd__> it seems to randomly pick a process to create an event on, and then consistently complain that it's down. When you go to check, you find that the process is actually running..
[03-Nov-2009 13:19:59] <__jd__> It'll keep complaining about that same process on that same server until you add another process. Then it switches to some other random process on some other random server
[03-Nov-2009 13:22:38] <__jd__> output is interesting too..
[03-Nov-2009 13:22:39] <__jd__> 2009-11-03 11:21:04,531 DEBUG zen.zenprocess: Found new /usr/local/apache-2.2.9/bin/httpd -k start pid 3902 on web19
[03-Nov-2009 13:22:44] <__jd__> 2009-11-03 11:21:04,531 WARNING zen.zenprocess: Process not running: httpd
[03-Nov-2009 13:24:54] <wdw> am I missing something, or is snmp slower than treacle?
[03-Nov-2009 13:31:52] <kisielk> rmatte: yeah this is quite frustrating. I too wish Zenoss was a bit more transparent
[03-Nov-2009 13:32:20] <mrayzenoss> kisielk: 2.5?
[03-Nov-2009 13:33:44] <kisielk> yeah. my zenprocess and zenstatus are totally hosed because of some exceptions
[03-Nov-2009 13:34:25] <mrayzenoss> pastebin? do you have a forum thread? I can try to get some eyeballs on it
[03-Nov-2009 13:35:25] <kisielk> mrayzenoss: http://zenoss.pastebin.com/f2ea40da4
[03-Nov-2009 13:35:32] <kisielk> I can make a forum thread about it if that helps
[03-Nov-2009 13:35:36] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at zenoss.pastebin.com)
[03-Nov-2009 13:36:41] <mrayzenoss> kisielk: installer and platform?
[03-Nov-2009 13:36:54] <kisielk> openSUSE, stack install
[03-Nov-2009 13:37:31] <mrayzenoss> post it on the forums with a description of your steps and I'll get someone to look at it
[03-Nov-2009 13:38:10] <kisielk> ok
[03-Nov-2009 13:40:14] <kisielk> mrayzenoss: thread/11911
[03-Nov-2009 13:40:24] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Zenstatus and Zenprocess crash after... (at community.zenoss.org)
[03-Nov-2009 13:40:27] <kisielk> there's not really any steps involved, it's just when the daemons start, they crash right away with that error
[03-Nov-2009 13:44:37] <rmatte> hmmmm
[03-Nov-2009 13:44:47] <mrayzenoss> was it an upgrade or a clean install?
[03-Nov-2009 13:45:14] <rmatte> upgrade probably
[03-Nov-2009 13:45:43] <rmatte> It's complaining about some IpService and some Process
[03-Nov-2009 13:45:50] <rmatte> tcp_00548
[03-Nov-2009 13:45:56] <rmatte> usr_sbin_servermgrd
[03-Nov-2009 13:46:26] <rmatte> I've tried to walk him through removing them in zendmd but the manage_delObject command won't work for dmd.Processes
[03-Nov-2009 13:46:38] <rmatte> so no idea how to get rid of those
[03-Nov-2009 13:58:14] <cmdln> gah
[03-Nov-2009 13:58:20] <cmdln> so i finally got snmptrapd to forward
[03-Nov-2009 13:58:32] <cmdln> it dosnt do what I was hoping
[03-Nov-2009 13:58:45] <cmdln> zenoss sees the trap as if it were sent directly
[03-Nov-2009 13:58:53] <cmdln> so back to square1
[03-Nov-2009 14:00:47] <cmdln> any more ideas how to "merge" these devices?
[03-Nov-2009 14:04:55] <cmdln> this has to be a common problem
[03-Nov-2009 14:05:21] <cmdln> I cant be alone in this heh
[03-Nov-2009 14:07:35] <rmatte> why do you care if it sees it as though it were sent directly?
[03-Nov-2009 14:07:53] <cmdln> because then I still have the issue of having 2 devices instead of one
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:06] <cmdln> I dont want the ilo seen as a seperate device
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:08] <rmatte> no, you don't, you just remove the other device obviously
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:12] <rmatte> an ILO is not a "device"
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:16] <rmatte> it's just an appliance
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:20] <rmatte> and extension to the device itself
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:29] <cmdln> right
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:40] <cmdln> maybe im asking the wrong questions
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:44] <rmatte> so don't even have the ILO in Zenoss, just have the server
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:55] <rmatte> and have the ILO forward the traps to the server
[03-Nov-2009 14:09:00] <rmatte> then have the server send the traps to Zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 14:09:04] <cmdln> I did
[03-Nov-2009 14:09:11] <rmatte> so what's the issue then?
[03-Nov-2009 14:09:27] <cmdln> and it shows up in zenoss as if it came from the ip of the ilo
[03-Nov-2009 14:09:40] <cmdln> which does not corelate with the server device in Zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 14:09:42] <rmatte> oh, that's not what I meant
[03-Nov-2009 14:09:58] <rmatte> I meant forward the traps FROM the ILO TO the server, then FROM the server TO Zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 14:10:12] <rmatte> so that all traps, even the ILO traps look like they came directly from the server
[03-Nov-2009 14:10:20] <cmdln> thats what I was trying to do
[03-Nov-2009 14:10:26] <cmdln> I setup snmptrapd
[03-Nov-2009 14:10:43] <cmdln> it recieved the traps from the ilo and forwarded to zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:04] <cmdln> I dont have a clue how to "resend" the traps other than to just forward them on
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:06] <rmatte> quite honestly, why don't you just rename the ILO device to something similar to the device like devicename-ilo
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:18] <rmatte> and just leave them separate
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:20] <cmdln> I could do that
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:24] <cmdln> as a last resort
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:33] <cmdln> but that doubles the ammount of devices I have in zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:38] <rmatte> well it seems like an aweful lot of work for basically nothing
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:45] <rmatte> so?
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:58] <rmatte> just turn off all monitoring for the ILO device except ping
[03-Nov-2009 14:12:12] <rmatte> that way you'll just be monitoring ping status of the ILO and receiving traps for it
[03-Nov-2009 14:12:33] <rmatte> make a device class just for ILO cards
[03-Nov-2009 14:12:45] <rmatte> that's how I'd personally do it
[03-Nov-2009 14:13:24] <cmdln> that just seems ugly to have twice as many devices
[03-Nov-2009 14:13:37] <cmdln> it shouldnt be that difficult
[03-Nov-2009 14:13:38] <rmatte> not really so long as they are properly organized
[03-Nov-2009 14:13:38] <cmdln> heh
[03-Nov-2009 14:14:20] <cmdln> i suppose thats what Ill have to do
[03-Nov-2009 14:14:36] <cmdln> because the event transforms werent working 100% either
[03-Nov-2009 14:14:43] <cmdln> it was kind of working
[03-Nov-2009 14:14:56] <rmatte> the event transforms will never work 100% since they are class dependant
[03-Nov-2009 14:14:57] <cmdln> but wouldnt propagate the event notification icon up
[03-Nov-2009 14:15:08] <rmatte> they aren't really designed for that type of application
[03-Nov-2009 14:15:21] <cmdln> I was putting the transforms at /Events so they are inherited everywhere
[03-Nov-2009 14:15:37] <rmatte> I see, keeping that transform maintained would be a pain though
[03-Nov-2009 14:15:48] <cmdln> yeah it would
[03-Nov-2009 14:16:03] <cmdln> but my servers dont move around much
[03-Nov-2009 14:16:15] <cmdln> where as i look at thing a lot
[03-Nov-2009 14:16:29] <cmdln> less devices would be more ideal
[03-Nov-2009 14:16:46] <cmdln> especially if I am doing the enterprise licensing later
[03-Nov-2009 14:19:05] <cmdln> that doubles the licensing cost
[03-Nov-2009 14:19:24] <rmatte> true enough
[03-Nov-2009 14:19:29] <mrayzenoss> cmdln: licensing is very negotiable
[03-Nov-2009 14:19:33] <rmatte> I don't do enterprise so that's not really a concern for me lol
[03-Nov-2009 14:19:52] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: very negotiable you say... $100 for Enterprise sound fair? :)
[03-Nov-2009 14:20:05] <cmdln> Ill kep that in mind mrayzenoss,
[03-Nov-2009 14:20:06] <rmatte> I'll throw in a twinkie
[03-Nov-2009 14:21:03] <rmatte> eugh, I haven't even had a second to look at bcfg2 yet today, things kept breaking
[03-Nov-2009 14:21:11] <rmatte> and the other 2 people in my team are both gone today
[03-Nov-2009 14:21:16] <rmatte> so I got swarmed
[03-Nov-2009 14:21:26] <mrayzenoss> know the feeling
[03-Nov-2009 14:21:27] <rmatte> bleh
[03-Nov-2009 14:21:36] <rmatte> :)
[03-Nov-2009 14:21:56] <rmatte> oh well, there's always tomorrow
[03-Nov-2009 14:22:11] <rmatte> actually, I'm going to see if I can at least get it up and running
[03-Nov-2009 14:23:39] <rmatte> I so need a third monitor
[03-Nov-2009 14:28:52] <cmdln> bcfg2 eh?
[03-Nov-2009 14:28:53] <mrayzenoss> off to defect review
[03-Nov-2009 14:29:06] <cmdln> it looked nice
[03-Nov-2009 14:29:11] <cmdln> i couldnt get over the xml
[03-Nov-2009 14:29:16] <cmdln> went with puppet
[03-Nov-2009 14:29:22] <cmdln> would have preferred the python though
[03-Nov-2009 14:29:48] <cwj> i am working with chef myself
[03-Nov-2009 14:29:59] <cmdln> ive heard some good things about chef
[03-Nov-2009 14:30:27] <cwj> so far its fine, but i am not using it in production yet
[03-Nov-2009 14:30:39] <cwj> trying to get our proprietary services packaged etc
[03-Nov-2009 14:30:54] <cmdln> ive got puppet pioleting in production
[03-Nov-2009 14:31:07] <cmdln> working pretty well
[03-Nov-2009 14:31:13] <cmdln> very small scale though
[03-Nov-2009 14:31:22] <cmdln> still uses internal webrick server
[03-Nov-2009 14:31:25] <cmdln> which sucjks
[03-Nov-2009 14:32:17] <rhettardo> by default arnt there MIBs under /Mibs? i installed some MIBs but only the ones showing up are the ones I installed and I swore there were others installed by default but I may be mistaken since its been quite a while since I've actually done a bare installation
[03-Nov-2009 14:37:32] <rmatte> it would be nice if there was a configuration management system with a full UI for it
[03-Nov-2009 14:37:45] <rmatte> eugh, this getting started with bcfg2 guide blows
[03-Nov-2009 14:37:53] <rmatte> I followed it step by step and it's not working
[03-Nov-2009 14:38:37] <cmdln> rmatte i think thats what spacewalk wants to be
[03-Nov-2009 14:39:46] <rmatte> hmmm, spacewalk actually looks interesting
[03-Nov-2009 14:39:49] <rmatte> nice interface
[03-Nov-2009 14:39:54] <rmatte> wonder if it's any good
[03-Nov-2009 14:40:22] <cmdln> iirc only works with oracle backend atm
[03-Nov-2009 14:40:33] <rmatte> looks like it's red-hat specific for now
[03-Nov-2009 14:40:37] <cmdln> there is work to make it postgres compatible
[03-Nov-2009 14:40:43] <rmatte> ah, that sucks
[03-Nov-2009 14:41:02] <cmdln> yeh started as rh but i think there is also work on multi distribution
[03-Nov-2009 14:42:22] <rmatte> hmmm, started in 2008
[03-Nov-2009 14:42:26] <rmatte> it'll need to mature a bit more
[03-Nov-2009 14:51:27] mrayzenoss1 is now known as mrayzenoss
[03-Nov-2009 14:53:55] <cmdln> i wish puppet had a reporting feature like bcfg2
[03-Nov-2009 15:09:56] <rmatte> bcfg2 1.0 is due out on Thursday apparently
[03-Nov-2009 15:10:04] <rmatte> it's supposed to be a lot easier to setup
[03-Nov-2009 15:15:29] <cmdln> xml is xml it makes my eyes bleed
[03-Nov-2009 15:18:55] <kisielk> I have a project in the works for an editor for Bcfg2
[03-Nov-2009 15:19:00] <kisielk> so you don't have to hand-edit XML
[03-Nov-2009 15:19:07] <kisielk> it's still in very early stages though
[03-Nov-2009 15:19:17] <kisielk> and I think it will take some hacking on the internals as well
[03-Nov-2009 15:20:13] <kisielk> anyway, it's a half day for me today, so time to go home :)
[03-Nov-2009 15:42:58] <rmatte> kisielk: that would be awesome
[03-Nov-2009 15:49:56] <smbambling> Hey guys, I'm having some issues with getting Zenoss to model devices correctly. I have create a new device class (sub class of servers/windows/) called DC.
[03-Nov-2009 15:51:26] <smbambling> I've checked the zCollectorPlugins on both of the classes and they seem to be the same
[03-Nov-2009 15:51:44] <smbambling> When I add a device under the /servers/windows class it will model no issue.
[03-Nov-2009 15:52:06] <smbambling> When I add a device under the /server/windows/DC class I created I don't seem to get anything.
[03-Nov-2009 15:52:59] <rmatte> well, at least I got bcfg2 configured, now I can mess around with it tomorrow
[03-Nov-2009 15:53:20] <smbambling> SNMP walk works no issues....and I get a info event for SNMP discovering the IP related to the host name that I enter when adding the device
[03-Nov-2009 15:53:24] <rmatte> smbambling: you don't get anything at all under the new class
[03-Nov-2009 15:53:25] <rmatte> ?
[03-Nov-2009 15:53:54] <smbambling> The device shows up, but nothing under the OS heading on the status page
[03-Nov-2009 15:54:00] <rmatte> how long ago did you create the class?
[03-Nov-2009 15:54:12] <smbambling> about 30min ago
[03-Nov-2009 15:54:20] <rmatte> I assume you didn't push changes to the collector?
[03-Nov-2009 15:54:29] <rmatte> go to the class then go to Manage -> Push Changes
[03-Nov-2009 15:54:31] <rmatte> then try again
[03-Nov-2009 15:55:07] <rmatte> Changes are only automatically pushed every hour
[03-Nov-2009 15:55:18] <smbambling> push changes at the /Devices level
[03-Nov-2009 15:55:24] <smbambling> or at the new class level
[03-Nov-2009 15:55:29] <rmatte> new class
[03-Nov-2009 15:56:06] <smbambling> ok testing now
[03-Nov-2009 15:56:28] <smbambling> I"m deleting and re-adding the device
[03-Nov-2009 16:02:43] <rmatte> also, check the zProperties to make sure that the right snmp community string is set
[03-Nov-2009 16:02:57] <rmatte> it might be different or blank for that class
[03-Nov-2009 16:03:18] <wdw> is there a standard troubleshooting guide somewhere? The 'software' tab is blank on my devices, even though snmpwalk -c public -v 2c domain.net 1.3.6.1.2.1.25.6.3.1.2 run from the zenoss server is coming back with the full list of software
[03-Nov-2009 16:03:44] <rmatte> wdw: what kinds of devices though
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:04] <rmatte> wdw: the software tab only supports windows servers by default.
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:12] <wdw> aww, really? okay
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:15] <wdw> that explains that :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:23] <rmatte> what OS are those devices running?
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:26] <wdw> linux
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:29] <wdw> centos/rhel
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:31] <rmatte> what flavour?
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:47] <rmatte> ah
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:52] <wdw> x64 centos/rhel boxen, latest versions of both
[03-Nov-2009 16:05:16] <rmatte> docs/DOC-3382
[03-Nov-2009 16:05:21] <rmatte> you might be able to use that ZenPack
[03-Nov-2009 16:05:23] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Fedora Linux (at community.zenoss.org)
[03-Nov-2009 16:05:29] <rmatte> since centos and rhel are similar to Fedora
[03-Nov-2009 16:05:37] <wdw> gotcha
[03-Nov-2009 16:05:42] <wdw> i'll get cracking - thanks!
[03-Nov-2009 16:05:46] <rmatte> np
[03-Nov-2009 16:06:47] <rmatte> smbambling: any luck?
[03-Nov-2009 16:06:57] <smbambling> rmatte: I tried your suggestion with forcing pushes. no luck
[03-Nov-2009 16:07:09] <smbambling> I'm checking the SNMP strings again just to make sure
[03-Nov-2009 16:07:16] <rmatte> k
[03-Nov-2009 16:08:46] <smbambling> rmatte: I've check on teh device I am trying to add and on the zProperties of the new class the SNMP sting is correct
[03-Nov-2009 16:09:11] <smbambling> The zWinUser and Pass are also correct for WMI monitoring
[03-Nov-2009 16:09:28] <rmatte> smbambling: do any errors show up when modelling?
[03-Nov-2009 16:09:37] <rmatte> can you model and pastebin the output?
[03-Nov-2009 16:09:49] <rmatte> (pastebin.com)
[03-Nov-2009 16:10:09] <smbambling> sure let me re-add the device so I can drop it on there
[03-Nov-2009 16:10:31] <rmatte> k
[03-Nov-2009 16:12:09] <smbambling> it also seems to take a LONG time to add devices under this class
[03-Nov-2009 16:12:44] <rmatte> smbambling: it usually takes a long time when it's not able to properly connect via SNMP
[03-Nov-2009 16:13:00] <wdw> good god
[03-Nov-2009 16:13:03] <wdw> just like that, it works!
[03-Nov-2009 16:13:07] <wdw> thanks rmatte!
[03-Nov-2009 16:13:09] <rmatte> wdw: yessir
[03-Nov-2009 16:13:23] <rmatte> no problem, thank rocket next time you see him, he wrote that pack
[03-Nov-2009 16:13:29] <rmatte> :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:13:36] <wdw> I shall :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:14:11] <rmatte> smbambling: once I see the complete modelling output I'll probably be able to tell you what's wrong with it
[03-Nov-2009 16:14:18] <smbambling> ok
[03-Nov-2009 16:15:00] <smbambling> http://pastebin.com/d7efd28fd
[03-Nov-2009 16:15:11] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[03-Nov-2009 16:15:57] <rmatte> checking
[03-Nov-2009 16:16:00] <smbambling> oh line 24 I see a timeout
[03-Nov-2009 16:16:14] <smbambling> but it find the IP from hostname via SNMP
[03-Nov-2009 16:16:20] <smbambling> I get a blue info event on that
[03-Nov-2009 16:16:41] <rmatte> you monitoring via WMI or SNMP?
[03-Nov-2009 16:16:59] <smbambling> both for Windows host
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:09] <smbambling> I have a WMI zenpack that was downloaded
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:18] <rmatte> #
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:18] <rmatte> 2009-11-03 17:12:27 ERROR RenderServer Failed to generate a graph
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:18] <rmatte> #
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:18] <rmatte> 2009-11-03 17:12:27 ERROR RenderServer Failed to generate a graph
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:18] <rmatte> #
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:18] <rmatte> 2009-11-03 17:14:01 WARNING zen.ZenDisc Client prod-cam-dc1 timeout
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:30] <rmatte> that's your issue
[03-Nov-2009 16:18:00] <rmatte> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/vol/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/RenderServer.py", line 190, in render rrdtool.graph(*gopts) error Traceback (most recent call last): File "/vol/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/RenderServer.py", line 190, in render rrdtool.graph(*gopts) error
[03-Nov-2009 16:18:14] <rmatte> not sure what's causing that but it definitely shouldn't be doing that
[03-Nov-2009 16:18:25] <rmatte> I also notice that it timed out after 180 seconds
[03-Nov-2009 16:18:35] <rmatte> what is your cycle time set to in zProperties for that class?
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:04] <rmatte> zCollectorClientTimeout should be set to something like 300 or 500
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:17] <rmatte> zSnmpTimeout should be set to like 10 or 15
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:19] <rmatte> then try again
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:20] <smbambling> 180
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:40] <rmatte> it may just be a plain timeout issue which the render errors have nothing to do with
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:44] <smbambling> 180 = inherited from upper class
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:56] <rmatte> I have mine set to 5000 on one of my boxes lol
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:59] <rmatte> so bump it up a bit
[03-Nov-2009 16:20:16] <rmatte> (it's set so high because I'm monitoring devices across slow ass links so it takes forever to snmpwalk them)
[03-Nov-2009 16:20:21] <smbambling> what is odd ...after the device is created I can do an SNMP walk on that device with success
[03-Nov-2009 16:20:43] <rmatte> Zenoss doesn't use snmpwalk
[03-Nov-2009 16:20:45] <smbambling> yeah this devices is in CA....zenoss server in NJ
[03-Nov-2009 16:20:58] <rmatte> ok, so increase the timeout to 500 like I said
[03-Nov-2009 16:21:02] <rmatte> and the snmp timeout to 15
[03-Nov-2009 16:21:04] <rmatte> and try again
[03-Nov-2009 16:21:24] <rmatte> afk for a sec
[03-Nov-2009 16:21:34] <smbambling> on a device Run Commands --> snmpwalk
[03-Nov-2009 16:23:07] <rmatte> yeh, that just means you can snmpwalk the system tree of the device
[03-Nov-2009 16:23:14] <rmatte> which is pretty low level access
[03-Nov-2009 16:23:40] <smbambling> gotcha...upped the timeout on both ....re-adding
[03-Nov-2009 16:23:40] <rmatte> Zenoss doesn't use snmpwalk to gather data anyways
[03-Nov-2009 16:23:45] <rmatte> k cool
[03-Nov-2009 16:23:50] <smbambling> btw...thanks for all the help so far
[03-Nov-2009 16:24:12] <rmatte> no problem
[03-Nov-2009 16:24:34] <rmatte> I try to help people as much as I can around here
[03-Nov-2009 16:24:37] <mrayzenoss> BTW, there's a newer version of the WMI Data Source ZenPack for testing: 2.0.1
[03-Nov-2009 16:24:51] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: ok, I'll test that out tomorrow
[03-Nov-2009 16:24:57] <mrayzenoss> thanks
[03-Nov-2009 16:24:58] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: remind me if I forget
[03-Nov-2009 16:32:51] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: I got bcfg2 setup for testing finally (and found a flaw in their Ubuntu Quick Start guide which they fixed)
[03-Nov-2009 16:33:06] <mrayzenoss> cool
[03-Nov-2009 16:34:28] <smbambling> rmatte: Looks like its was a timeout issues
[03-Nov-2009 16:34:36] <rmatte> good
[03-Nov-2009 16:34:44] <smbambling> it took 322s to complete but looks like I have the data
[03-Nov-2009 16:34:57] <smbambling> I still get the traceback error
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:06] <rmatte> I have some devices which, no joke, take 1200s to 1400s to complete
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:11] <smbambling> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/vol/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/RenderServer.py", line 190, in render rrdtool.graph(*gopts) error Traceback (most recent call last): File "/vol/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/RenderServer.py", line 190, in render rrdtool.graph(*gopts) error
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:14] <rmatte> yeh, that traceback error is something else
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:26] <rmatte> try this just for the heck of it...
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:29] <smbambling> wow 1200 is a LONG time
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:30] <rmatte> go to $ZENHOME/Perf
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:40] <rmatte> remove the device from Zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:46] <rmatte> then delete the perf folder for that device
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:49] <rmatte> then re-add the device
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:59] <rmatte> it sounds like it may be a bad RRD or something
[03-Nov-2009 16:36:07] <smbambling> ok let me SSH into the box
[03-Nov-2009 16:36:18] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Are you here by chance?
[03-Nov-2009 16:37:06] <rmatte> smbambling: yeh, 1200 is about 20 minutes
[03-Nov-2009 16:37:24] <rmatte> smbambling: but it's because an snmpwalk of the device is so slow that you can literally read it line by line as it scrolls
[03-Nov-2009 16:38:11] <mrayzenoss> I'm here
[03-Nov-2009 16:38:41] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Do you know if there is a way to confirm a training session? Or a place to ask questions about it?
[03-Nov-2009 16:38:47] <smbambling> rmatte: after removing devices from web console nothing in the /pref for that device
[03-Nov-2009 16:38:59] <rmatte> smbambling: ah ok
[03-Nov-2009 16:39:05] <rmatte> smbambling: it must be something else then
[03-Nov-2009 16:39:07] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: for which session? online or in person?
[03-Nov-2009 16:39:22] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: in person. The one in Baltimore MD
[03-Nov-2009 16:39:31] <mrayzenoss> I'll check..
[03-Nov-2009 16:40:12] <rmatte> jrock2004: to answer your questions, no there won't be hot babes, and no there won't be beer
[03-Nov-2009 16:40:38] <mrayzenoss> there'll be beer
[03-Nov-2009 16:40:53] <rmatte> jrock2004: oh, well, apparently their training standard haven't dropped that much
[03-Nov-2009 16:40:56] <mrayzenoss> or at least, there was at Ohio
[03-Nov-2009 16:41:12] <jrock2004> rmatte: Well its at a hotel
[03-Nov-2009 16:41:22] <jrock2004> rmatte: Do I am sure the hotel will have beer
[03-Nov-2009 16:41:23] <rmatte> minibar!
[03-Nov-2009 16:41:35] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: what's the first & last name?
[03-Nov-2009 16:41:46] <rmatte> Mr. Jay Rock
[03-Nov-2009 16:41:52] <rmatte> :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:41:56] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: John Costanzo
[03-Nov-2009 16:42:39] <jrock2004> rmatte: That would have been a good guess :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:42:44] <rmatte> hehe
[03-Nov-2009 16:43:19] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: you're on the list… I'll bug Mark about sending out a reminder email
[03-Nov-2009 16:43:20] <jrock2004> What does parallels tool never work the way it should. Man oh man
[03-Nov-2009 16:43:22] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: you actually had me looking for Jay Rock
[03-Nov-2009 16:43:34] <rmatte> haha
[03-Nov-2009 16:43:48] <rmatte> that's because I always seem to know what I'm talking about :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:43:51] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: hahaha. Do we get any breaks on vallet parking :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:43:53] <rmatte> it's a gift
[03-Nov-2009 16:44:37] <mrayzenoss> I'm out of the loop on the LISA event, I'm not attending unfortunately
[03-Nov-2009 16:44:44] <jrock2004> Yeah well I live about 2 hours from baltimore so it would be a pain to go to this and have them say you are not on the list lol
[03-Nov-2009 16:44:52] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: its cool
[03-Nov-2009 16:44:58] <mrayzenoss> nah, we won't turn anyone away
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:11] <rmatte> orlly?
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:15] <mrayzenoss> we just want confirmations so we have a good estimate of how many copies to make and whatnot
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:17] <rmatte> free training!
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:18] <mrayzenoss> it's free training
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:21] * rmatte rubs hands together
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:33] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Yeah I hope not I am already in trouble I am going to this. Its my birthday and wife is not too happy lol
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:40] <rmatte> too bad I don't have the time nor money to fly down
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:46] <rmatte> I will eventually come out to some event though
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:58] <chemist> mrayzenoss: any free sessions in the UK?
[03-Nov-2009 16:46:20] <mrayzenoss> we're actually looking at either FOSDEM or LinuxTag, not UK but Europe
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:00] <jrock2004> Wow $7USD parking per hour
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:06] <mrayzenoss> and Jane Curry does UK training
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:09] <rmatte> that's expensive
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:16] <jrock2004> but how can I complain with a free training session
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:16] <rmatte> (the parking)
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:27] <smbambling> rmatte: I think I'm good back to playing around some more thanks again for the help
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:32] <chemist> and Jane Curry :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:36] <rmatte> smbambling: no problem
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:47] <jrock2004> Well the site says they have a $25USD daily parking. I am hoping I can use that
[03-Nov-2009 16:48:02] <rmatte> usually it's like $7 an hour up to a max of whatever
[03-Nov-2009 16:48:06] <rmatte> which I guess is 25
[03-Nov-2009 16:48:28] <rmatte> but be sure to ask so that you don't get screwed over
[03-Nov-2009 16:48:33] <jrock2004> yeah but the site does not explain what daily means
[03-Nov-2009 16:48:48] <rmatte> is there any other meaning for "daily"?
[03-Nov-2009 16:48:51] <rmatte> :P
[03-Nov-2009 16:49:07] <jrock2004> well to me I would think you need to be there for 24 hours or more
[03-Nov-2009 16:49:17] <rmatte> doubt it
[03-Nov-2009 16:49:22] <jrock2004> To some it could mean 8 hours
[03-Nov-2009 16:49:43] <jrock2004> Well I guess what it cost I will submit it to HR :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:49:48] <rmatte> lol
[03-Nov-2009 16:49:50] <rmatte> yup
[03-Nov-2009 16:50:02] <rmatte> you're lucky that your company is covering the trip
[03-Nov-2009 16:50:05] <rmatte> mine would never cover it
[03-Nov-2009 16:50:24] <jrock2004> trust me I had to pull strings to get gas and parking covered
[03-Nov-2009 16:50:33] <rmatte> oh I believe it
[03-Nov-2009 16:50:56] <jrock2004> my company wont even get an air conditioner for the server room. lol that is how cheap they are
[03-Nov-2009 16:52:00] <jrock2004> Well off to head home. I will see you guys later
[03-Nov-2009 16:52:10] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Thanks again for looking up that info
[03-Nov-2009 16:53:24] <rmatte> we've been waiting for an air conditioner for our lab server room for like 6 months now
[03-Nov-2009 16:53:32] <rmatte> an alas, no air conditioner
[03-Nov-2009 16:54:42] <rmatte> anyways, I need to head home, talk to you guys tomorrow
[03-Nov-2009 16:55:56] <rmatte> later Matt
[03-Nov-2009 16:56:00] <mrayzenoss> later
[03-Nov-2009 17:47:01] <Skaag> I got something weird going on... I ask zenoss to model a device after i've made some changes to it (such as adding snmp service), and I configured ssh access in the zProperties, but the modeling says snmp is off for the device, and it also doesn't even attempt to ssh...
[03-Nov-2009 17:47:05] <Skaag> what might be causing this?
[03-Nov-2009 18:24:24] <tung> Hi, has anyone seen an issue where Zenoss stopped send out alerts emails even though I can send out test emails from the Zenoss Settings-> Users?
[03-Nov-2009 18:24:39] <tung> The events are in the logs
[03-Nov-2009 18:24:45] <tung> Zenping detect it down
[03-Nov-2009 18:24:50] <tung> But no emails sent
[03-Nov-2009 18:25:03] <tung> And I haven't changed the emails/alerts settings
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[03-Nov-2009 20:17:44] <jrock2004> nachox: no but would not see an issue
[03-Nov-2009 20:25:24] <wdw> I have a question about OS Processes. When the process is running, it appears in the 'Os Processes' list under the 'OS' tab. This is expected. However, when the process fails, it totally disappears from the OS Processes list (obviously an event is raised, but I had expected that little 'status' light to turn red, rather than the entry disappearing)
[03-Nov-2009 20:26:11] <wdw> Is there some super-secret 'sticky' flag I have to set? Or is that just the zenoss way of doing things?
[03-Nov-2009 20:26:57] <wdw> I mean, it is re-listed once the process re-appears, but it seems a little screwy
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[04-Nov-2009 04:42:47] <swarog> i switched back to 2.4.5 until wmi data source for 2.5 is out
[04-Nov-2009 04:42:51] <swarog> im getting following even
[04-Nov-2009 04:42:52] <swarog> "localhost zenmodeler heartbeat failure"
[04-Nov-2009 04:59:59] <skipzoid> morning
[04-Nov-2009 05:03:27] <skipzoid> i'm trying to get my head around changing the messages reported - i have a HP procurve switch that reports every time a port goes on/off line - zenoss receives the trap and records it as "snmp trap hpSwitch1600.2" (without out the quotes) in the details field it actually says which port came online/went off line etc - "I 11/04/09 09:35:17 ports: port 5 is now off-line" (again without the quotes) I'd like this recorded as the me
[04-Nov-2009 05:04:59] <Troubadix09> swarog: try clear all Heartbeat at Menuepoint "EventManager"
[04-Nov-2009 05:08:38] <swarog> Troubadix09: after zenmodeler restart looks like it stopped
[04-Nov-2009 05:43:58] <Guest34854> Hello
[04-Nov-2009 05:44:01] <Guest34854> good morning
[04-Nov-2009 06:14:28] <Skaag> something is wrong with my zenoss, it no longer manages to model devices
[04-Nov-2009 06:16:51] <Skaag> If I ask zenoss to snmpwalk the device, I can see the information
[04-Nov-2009 06:17:08] <Skaag> when I ask it to model the device, it no longer does the snmp discovery, nor does it do the ssh collection
[04-Nov-2009 06:17:10] <Skaag> what's wrong?
[04-Nov-2009 06:19:29] <swarog> ssh collection sounds scary to me
[04-Nov-2009 06:19:34] <swarog> it needs root privileges?
[04-Nov-2009 06:20:26] <Aziraphale> I'm doing it with a standard user
[04-Nov-2009 06:21:00] <swarog> ok
[04-Nov-2009 06:21:21] <Skaag> no, just a standard user
[04-Nov-2009 06:21:24] <Skaag> hm
[04-Nov-2009 06:21:40] <Skaag> I moved my machines from the SSH/Linux class, to /Server/Linux, and now it works
[04-Nov-2009 06:21:42] <Skaag> weird
[04-Nov-2009 06:25:07] <Troubadix09> hello guest34854
[04-Nov-2009 06:31:26] <swarog> hmm, is additional zenpack/template required for ssh acces?
[04-Nov-2009 06:31:49] <swarog> seems like i cant find where to specify username and password for ssh. doesnt exist in zproperties of the device
[04-Nov-2009 07:26:41] <Skaag> swarog: you set it in the zproperties
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[04-Nov-2009 07:38:03] <mnandres> Troubadix09 you now it is posible now with zenoss how many copies are printed on some device
[04-Nov-2009 08:20:22] <Troubadix09> mnandres: if the printer have a snmp-oid wich count this, it can be asked via snmp
[04-Nov-2009 08:20:46] <mnandres> is hp 4000
[04-Nov-2009 08:20:59] <mnandres> have snmp
[04-Nov-2009 08:22:01] <mnandres> some documentation?
[04-Nov-2009 08:22:48] <Troubadix09> mnandres: try snmpwalk through the enterprises.11
[04-Nov-2009 08:23:04] <Troubadix09> mnandres: have it hp-print-server?
[04-Nov-2009 08:23:18] <Troubadix09> mnandres: like hp 4000N
[04-Nov-2009 08:23:48] <mnandres> i dont understand
[04-Nov-2009 08:23:54] <mnandres> is a hp4000n
[04-Nov-2009 08:24:06] <mnandres> the print server is novell
[04-Nov-2009 08:25:31] <cmdln> You can download the MIB files for HP LaserJet printers at the following URL:
[04-Nov-2009 08:25:32] <cmdln> http://www.hpdevelopersolutions.com
[04-Nov-2009 08:25:47] <adytum-bot> Title: HP Printing and Digital Imaging Solutions Program Portal (at www.hpdevelopersolutions.com)
[04-Nov-2009 08:25:58] <Troubadix09> cmdln: for polling printed pages you didn't need the mib
[04-Nov-2009 08:26:17] <cmdln> no but it might be helpful if you dont know the oid
[04-Nov-2009 08:28:58] <cmdln> 1.3.6.1.2.1.1.6.5.12.0
[04-Nov-2009 08:29:06] <cmdln> jopb-info-pages-processed
[04-Nov-2009 08:29:23] <cmdln> job info pages printed 1.3.6.1.2.1.1.6.5.13.0
[04-Nov-2009 08:29:36] <cmdln> for laserjet series 4000
[04-Nov-2009 08:29:44] <cmdln> http://www.mibdepot.com/cgi-bin/vendor_index.cgi?r=hp
[04-Nov-2009 08:29:49] <mnandres> you are talking too me on basic chinesse
[04-Nov-2009 08:29:56] <adytum-bot> Title: mibDepot.com - Vendor MIBs (at www.mibdepot.com)
[04-Nov-2009 08:30:30] <cmdln> sorry i assumed you wanted something like number of pages printed
[04-Nov-2009 08:30:35] <cmdln> from a network printer
[04-Nov-2009 08:30:36] <mnandres> yes
[04-Nov-2009 08:30:44] <cmdln> specifically a laserjet 4000 series
[04-Nov-2009 08:30:45] <mnandres> that i need
[04-Nov-2009 08:31:05] <Troubadix09> mnandres: oid is 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13
[04-Nov-2009 08:31:09] <cmdln> the OIDs i just gave you will be what you want to query
[04-Nov-2009 08:31:38] <Troubadix09> mnandres: getting the complete mib for Laserjet 4000 here: http://www.oidview.com/mibs/11/LaserJet-Series4000-MIB.html
[04-Nov-2009 08:31:40] <mnandres> but when i put the OID
[04-Nov-2009 08:31:45] <adytum-bot> Title: LaserJet-Series4000-MIB SNMP MIB (at www.oidview.com)
[04-Nov-2009 08:32:31] <mnandres> sorry, please understand me
[04-Nov-2009 08:32:36] <mnandres> im new on this
[04-Nov-2009 08:32:45] <mnandres> i supose
[04-Nov-2009 08:33:04] <mnandres> the OID is de code of the data whe i need
[04-Nov-2009 08:33:11] <mnandres> im origth?
[04-Nov-2009 08:33:19] <Troubadix09> mnandres: that's why you first should learn how to use SNMP
[04-Nov-2009 08:33:31] <cmdln> the OID is like the mailbox for the information you want
[04-Nov-2009 08:33:56] <Troubadix09> mnandres: that's not zenoss stuff, its basic networl management stuff
[04-Nov-2009 08:34:02] <mnandres> i searche some manual of snmp
[04-Nov-2009 08:34:12] <Troubadix09> networl=network
[04-Nov-2009 08:34:16] <cmdln> if you want to know pages printed you have to check the right OID
[04-Nov-2009 08:34:39] <mnandres> ok, but how do that with zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 08:34:51] <mnandres> where put the command too do that
[04-Nov-2009 08:35:36] <Troubadix09> mnandres: there are chapter in the admin-guides for monitoring devices with snmp
[04-Nov-2009 08:36:09] <mnandres> zenoss administration?
[04-Nov-2009 08:36:16] <Troubadix09> mnandres: yes
[04-Nov-2009 08:37:36] <mnandres> ok, thnaks
[04-Nov-2009 08:37:36] <Troubadix09> mnandres use existing templates for perf monitoring (coming up with zenpacks) or create new templates with your own data-points and bind them to classes or devices
[04-Nov-2009 08:38:09] <mnandres> i using zenpack for generic printer
[04-Nov-2009 08:38:18] <mnandres> but not take some information
[04-Nov-2009 08:40:03] <mnandres> i need too restar pc
[04-Nov-2009 08:40:08] <mnandres> back in a minute
[04-Nov-2009 08:41:24] <hackeron_> hey, I have LM-SENSORS-MIB::lmTempSensorsValue.1 = Gauge32: 35000 in snmpwalk - I'd like to add a graph to monitor this (cpu temperature) - I found some docs to look for the PerfConf tab, but I can't find it?
[04-Nov-2009 08:50:16] <Troubadix09> hackeron: create a template with datapoint, threshold (if needed) and graphpoint. Bind it to your device or class
[04-Nov-2009 08:52:34] <Troubadix09> hackeron: datapoint is the oid 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.16.2.1.3.1
[04-Nov-2009 08:54:13] <Troubadix09> hackeron: what is the unit of the value?
[04-Nov-2009 08:55:36] * davetoo wonders how he can make things show up in this new "Messages" portlet
[04-Nov-2009 08:57:53] <hackeron_> Troubadix09: celcius - but it shows 35000 instead of 35 -- also, how do I get an OID from something like: lmMiscSensorsValue.12 = Gauge32: 46000
[04-Nov-2009 08:59:21] <davetoo> snmptranslate
[04-Nov-2009 09:00:05] <hackeron_> # snmptranslate "lmMiscSensorsValue.12"
[04-Nov-2009 09:00:05] <hackeron_> No log handling enabled - turning on stderr logging
[04-Nov-2009 09:00:05] <hackeron_> lmMiscSensorsValue.12: Unknown Object Identifier (Sub-id not found: (top) -> lmMiscSensorsValue)
[04-Nov-2009 09:00:35] <hackeron_> # snmpwalk -Os -v1 -c public localhost lmMiscSensorsValue.12
[04-Nov-2009 09:00:36] <hackeron_> lmMiscSensorsValue.12 = Gauge32: 46000
[04-Nov-2009 09:01:24] <Troubadix09> hackeron: use the whole value like snmptranslate LM-SENSOR-MIB::ImMiscSensorValue
[04-Nov-2009 09:02:38] <gwb235> rmatte, or anyone else who runs a hub/collector setup for "clients": is it possible to restrict device administration/views to "groups" so that they only see (and can change properties) of devices in a group assigned to that login? Looking for guides on how to set this kind of access.
[04-Nov-2009 09:02:43] <hackeron_> snmptranslate "LM-SENSORS-MIB::lmMiscSensorsValue.12"
[04-Nov-2009 09:02:44] <hackeron_> LM-SENSORS-MIB::lmMiscSensorsValue.12
[04-Nov-2009 09:06:12] <hackeron_> snmptranslate -To also shows the same thing
[04-Nov-2009 09:06:15] <klinstifen> morning all
[04-Nov-2009 09:06:38] <klinstifen> does anyone have a copy of the default zenoss user's .bashrc file?
[04-Nov-2009 09:06:45] <klinstifen> i just blew mine away accidentally
[04-Nov-2009 09:06:59] <suprsonic> no backup ey klinstifen?
[04-Nov-2009 09:07:15] <klinstifen> not for /home/zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 09:07:27] <klinstifen> i do have backups for $ZENHOME
[04-Nov-2009 09:07:28] <Troubadix09> hackeron: try snmptranslate -On ...
[04-Nov-2009 09:08:29] * klinstifen adds /home/zenoss to backup list and shakes head
[04-Nov-2009 09:09:14] <hackeron_> Troubadix09: oh, cool, thanks
[04-Nov-2009 09:09:20] <klinstifen> just discovered my zeopack hasn't been running
[04-Nov-2009 09:09:26] <klinstifen> my data.fs is 28GB
[04-Nov-2009 09:10:20] Matias is now known as Guest33553
[04-Nov-2009 09:10:44] <Troubadix09> hi Guest33553
[04-Nov-2009 09:11:27] Guest33553 is now known as mnandres
[04-Nov-2009 09:11:33] <mnandres> i back
[04-Nov-2009 09:11:35] <mnandres> heheheh
[04-Nov-2009 09:12:52] <Troubadix09> hackeron: in the RPN-Field of the Graph-Point use "1000,/" (without the quotes) to devide the value by 1000
[04-Nov-2009 09:14:20] <Troubadix09> hackeron: in the field Format of the graphpoint use "%3.0lf" insted of default "%5.2lf%s" to get integer values on the graph
[04-Nov-2009 09:15:37] <hackeron_> Troubadix09: thanks, changed - lets see
[04-Nov-2009 09:18:32] <hackeron_> Troubadix09: btw, question, why can't I see lmsensors stuff when I do snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost but I can when I do snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost lmsensors?
[04-Nov-2009 09:19:27] <klinstifen> can anyone tell me how big their data.fs file is?
[04-Nov-2009 09:21:49] <Troubadix09> hackeron: in the first case you do a snmpwalk throuh the whole snmp-agent-stuff of the host localhost. somewhere in the listing must be Imsensors
[04-Nov-2009 09:22:09] <Troubadix09> good afternoon mrayzenoss ;-)
[04-Nov-2009 09:22:14] <mrayzenoss> greetings
[04-Nov-2009 09:23:03] <hackeron_> Troubadix09: when I do snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost | grep -i sensor - I get nothing -- when I do snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost lmsensors | grep -i sensor I get loads
[04-Nov-2009 09:23:11] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: my data.fs is 118MB
[04-Nov-2009 09:23:36] <hackeron_> Troubadix09: btw, thanks, the graph seems to be working!
[04-Nov-2009 09:24:07] <klinstifen> ok thanks
[04-Nov-2009 09:24:18] <klinstifen> how many things are you monitoring?
[04-Nov-2009 09:27:10] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: 120 Devices
[04-Nov-2009 09:27:43] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: some with performance, some only ping
[04-Nov-2009 09:28:15] <rmatte> hackeron_: pastebin the output of snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost lmsensors
[04-Nov-2009 09:28:17] <klinstifen> ok thx
[04-Nov-2009 09:28:46] <Troubadix09> hackeron: I try "snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost |grep -i sysor" and get results
[04-Nov-2009 09:29:06] <Troubadix09> hi rmatte
[04-Nov-2009 09:29:12] <rmatte> hi
[04-Nov-2009 09:29:52] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: but only 3days history
[04-Nov-2009 09:30:26] <klinstifen> ok thanks
[04-Nov-2009 09:30:29] <hackeron_> Troubadix09: I get some results but no temperature information
[04-Nov-2009 09:30:31] <klinstifen> just wanted to get a bit of a baseline
[04-Nov-2009 09:31:18] <hackeron_> rmatte: http://dpaste.com/116205/
[04-Nov-2009 09:31:29] <adytum-bot> Title: dpaste: #116205 (at dpaste.com)
[04-Nov-2009 09:31:50] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: set "Delete Historical Events Older Than (days)" to other then "0", because 0 no deleting
[04-Nov-2009 09:31:58] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: set "Delete Historical Events Older Than (days)" to other then "0", because 0=no deleting
[04-Nov-2009 09:32:35] <klinstifen> yeah i am going to tweak the event history settings once this zeopack is done
[04-Nov-2009 09:32:53] <klinstifen> my data.fs was 28G and i ran out of diskspace on the server
[04-Nov-2009 09:34:39] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: i remember, that zeopack didn't decrease the space, the data.fs need. I remember there is a thread in the forum, how to decrease the database.
[04-Nov-2009 09:34:59] <klinstifen> ok i will go look
[04-Nov-2009 09:37:43] <klinstifen> i found this: message/33207#33207
[04-Nov-2009 09:37:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Help! My Data.fs file is 37GB and Zope... (at community.zenoss.org)
[04-Nov-2009 09:37:52] <klinstifen> but zeopack worked for ewall
[04-Nov-2009 09:38:09] <klinstifen> hrmm
[04-Nov-2009 09:38:20] <klinstifen> zeopack just quit "no space left on device"
[04-Nov-2009 09:41:35] <klinstifen> anyone know if zeopack can write the packed db to a different directory?
[04-Nov-2009 09:47:23] <rmatte> hackeron_: ok, just saw the pastebin
[04-Nov-2009 09:47:56] <rmatte> Try this: snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost | grep SENSORS
[04-Nov-2009 09:55:32] <klinstifen> would it be possible to move all of the data.fs files to another location
[04-Nov-2009 09:55:36] <klinstifen> create symlinks in their place
[04-Nov-2009 09:55:40] <klinstifen> and then do a zeopack?
[04-Nov-2009 10:00:36] <rmatte> klinstifen: if you symlink the file I don't see why not
[04-Nov-2009 10:00:52] <rmatte> klinstifen: that's actually an interesting concept
[04-Nov-2009 10:00:52] <klinstifen> trying it now
[04-Nov-2009 10:01:02] <klinstifen> yeah hopefully this works
[04-Nov-2009 10:01:20] <klinstifen> 23GB more to go on the copy
[04-Nov-2009 10:01:24] <rmatte> you'll probably have to symlink by hand though unless you can find some way for the pack to do it automatically
[04-Nov-2009 10:06:33] <hackeron_> rmatte: # snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost | grep SENSORS
[04-Nov-2009 10:06:33] <hackeron_> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunParameters.16548 = STRING: "SENSORS"
[04-Nov-2009 10:07:57] <gwb235> i'm following the guidelines here: docs/DOC-3050 to create device-specific logins, but the ZenUser role gets assigned no matter what, hence the account sees all devices (not just administered objects assigned to the account) ?
[04-Nov-2009 10:08:04] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 11.6 Device Access Control Lists (at community.zenoss.org)
[04-Nov-2009 10:08:55] <rmatte> hackeron_: hmmm, very weird
[04-Nov-2009 10:09:17] <rmatte> hackeron_: I'm assuming that you configured snmpd to expose the lmsensors values?
[04-Nov-2009 10:09:22] <rmatte> or did it just do it on it's own?
[04-Nov-2009 10:12:47] <wdw> Zenoss is finally starting to make sense. For the longest time, I was stumped by the fact that services/proceses would disappear upon remodel.. but I've finally gotten the whole monitoring checkbox / 'monitored' / locking trifecta working (woo!).
[04-Nov-2009 10:13:14] <wdw> However, from the forums it seems the only way to have all the device thresholds shown under the OS tab is to hack some of the code/templates.. is that right?
[04-Nov-2009 10:13:55] <rmatte> wdw: what do you mean by "all the device thresholds shown under the OS tab"?
[04-Nov-2009 10:14:14] <rmatte> wdw: thresholds are not "shown"
[04-Nov-2009 10:14:29] <rmatte> unless you add them to a graph, so I assume you're referring to performance graphs?
[04-Nov-2009 10:14:39] <wdw> no, sorry, let me explain..
[04-Nov-2009 10:15:42] <wdw> I'd like to visually expose the thresholds (this is a management thing.. sigh), to actually show 'look, 300 green lights - relax!' to folks here who care.. and so it seemed that exposing the thresholds with little green status lights under the 'OS' tab would fulfill my need. Basically jut a list of each one, showing that its not exceeded
[04-Nov-2009 10:16:09] <wdw> and yes, this is a dumb requirement
[04-Nov-2009 10:18:02] <mrayzenoss> hmm… I bet this could be automated
[04-Nov-2009 10:19:25] <hackeron_> rmatte: here's my snmpd config: http://dpaste.com/116233/
[04-Nov-2009 10:19:36] <adytum-bot> Title: dpaste: #116233 (at dpaste.com)
[04-Nov-2009 10:20:05] <hackeron_> rmatte: just replaced the default config with this one, rest is just whatever ubuntu did :) - didn't do anything special to configure lm-sensors
[04-Nov-2009 10:21:30] <gwb235> i've narrowed down the "view" bit to "when the user is assigned to a group, it auto-adds ZenUser role to the user, and then allows the account to see everything". Hmmm
[04-Nov-2009 10:23:20] <wdw> ah, you know what.. I think I see the problem. This is an enterprise feature according to the forums. 'The EnterpriseReports ZenPack contains a report called "Defined Thresholds" '. That explains it I guess.
[04-Nov-2009 10:24:04] <wdw> gwb235: I'm a total newbie, but I had read that the ACL only works with Enterprise.. are you using enterprise?
[04-Nov-2009 10:27:04] <rmatte> wdw: you're not really talking about thresholds, you're talking about the status icons that show up on the device page when something is wrong?
[04-Nov-2009 10:27:30] <rmatte> wdw: or do you literally want it to show that drive blah is currently at 87% utilization and the threshold is set at 90%
[04-Nov-2009 10:27:32] <rmatte> ?
[04-Nov-2009 10:28:12] <wdw> rmatte: the latter (with the addition of showing an idiot-light indicating that the threshold is within bounds)
[04-Nov-2009 10:28:40] <rmatte> wdw: I see, those status icons are generated dynamically based on the event class and the component
[04-Nov-2009 10:28:47] <rmatte> wdw: they don't really exist to be exposed
[04-Nov-2009 10:28:51] <rmatte> as far as I'm aware
[04-Nov-2009 10:29:07] <Troubadix09> wdw, gwb235: this paper would be helpful for zenoss core: http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/users_events_zproperties_paper.pdf
[04-Nov-2009 10:29:29] <rmatte> The system basically goes, oh look, an event with a component of "REBOOT" so it adds an icon in there with the color of the severity of the event and puts "REBOOT" next to it
[04-Nov-2009 10:29:36] <rmatte> it's all done dynamically
[04-Nov-2009 10:30:07] <wdw> so, just so we're on the same page, if I could get this working, the only difference would be, under the 'OS' tab for a device, a new category, right under (say) OS Processes, you'd have Thresholds, and a list of every threshold for the device, with a green indicator to show that the threshold hasn't tripped.
[04-Nov-2009 10:30:35] <wdw> Its sounding like the only way to do that would be to modify the source to iterate all possible defined thresholds, and check none are currently raised as active events
[04-Nov-2009 10:30:39] <rmatte> wdw: It's possible but that would be a lot of coding
[04-Nov-2009 10:30:41] <wdw> But first, I'll read that PDF :)
[04-Nov-2009 10:30:46] <rmatte> wdw: there's no easy way to do that
[04-Nov-2009 10:30:53] <rmatte> you'd literally be coding the whole thing from scratch
[04-Nov-2009 10:30:58] <wdw> :-/
[04-Nov-2009 10:31:10] <Troubadix09> wdw: the pdf was for gwb235
[04-Nov-2009 10:31:33] <wdw> ah, sorry.. you'd mentioned me in it, so I assumed it was for both of us
[04-Nov-2009 10:31:41] <rmatte> wdw: the status indicators that show up are created dynamically based on what events are in the event console at the time, like I explained before
[04-Nov-2009 10:31:52] <wdw> got it
[04-Nov-2009 10:32:09] <wdw> So, honestly.. am I just fundamentally misunderstanding a core concept of zenoss here? Its just totally event oriented?
[04-Nov-2009 10:32:10] <rmatte> there are a few static indicators that are always there, such as CPU, but those are hard coded in to Zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 10:32:20] <rmatte> and they are tripped by events with an event class of /Perf/CPU
[04-Nov-2009 10:32:22] <rmatte> or whatever
[04-Nov-2009 10:32:27] <rmatte> the rest are done dynamically
[04-Nov-2009 10:32:53] <rmatte> wdw: for status icons, yes, it is
[04-Nov-2009 10:33:02] <rmatte> very event oriented
[04-Nov-2009 10:33:16] <wdw> well darn.
[04-Nov-2009 10:33:31] <rmatte> I'd honestly prefer if status were handled separate from events, but it's not
[04-Nov-2009 10:35:03] <wdw> You've saved me days of fooling around trying to get this shoehorned into my idea of what it should do... thank you for the insight.
[04-Nov-2009 10:35:35] <rmatte> no problem
[04-Nov-2009 10:39:06] <klinstifen> does any part of zenoss need to be running before zeopack is initiated?
[04-Nov-2009 10:39:13] <mrayzenoss> looking for Ubuntu people… specifically with build experience
[04-Nov-2009 10:48:58] <rmatte> define "build experience"
[04-Nov-2009 10:51:57] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Yeah I run a buch of ubuntu servers
[04-Nov-2009 10:52:32] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Are you looking for programmers?
[04-Nov-2009 10:53:27] <mrayzenoss> we're looking for advice on packaging for Debian & Ubuntu
[04-Nov-2009 10:53:44] <mrayzenoss> I'm trying to hunt down some maintainers
[04-Nov-2009 10:54:42] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: I might be able to help but not sure
[04-Nov-2009 10:55:22] <rmatte> ah, I have no experience doing that sort of thing with Ubuntu unfortunately
[04-Nov-2009 10:55:44] <cmdln> its good your looking for maintainer input
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:00] <cmdln> i think ubuntu is a great desktop but personally wouldnt run it as a server
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:20] <rmatte> cmdln: works amazingly as a server
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:27] <klinstifen> no probs here
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:35] <rmatte> cmdln: all of my Zenoss servers are Ubuntu based and it's flawless
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:36] <cmdln> ive heard too many horror stories with it
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:40] <cmdln> perhaps in a few years
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:48] <cmdln> Love debian though
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:51] <rmatte> horror stories relating to?
[04-Nov-2009 10:57:06] <cmdln> issues with too new of packages not being vetted properly
[04-Nov-2009 10:57:09] <cmdln> crashing etc ..
[04-Nov-2009 10:57:25] <rmatte> ah, I've never had issues with packages at all
[04-Nov-2009 10:57:25] <cmdln> I think canonical will get it all straightend out
[04-Nov-2009 10:57:29] <wdw> with that new RHEL-specific kernel bug allowing local exploits, its not like even the gold standard is totally safe though
[04-Nov-2009 10:57:32] <cmdln> with time
[04-Nov-2009 10:57:39] <rmatte> in fact I find that Ubuntu's packaging is the best I've ever seen
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:06] <cmdln> still just too new to the game to me, id run debian stable any day
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:08] <rmatte> the quality is incredible, I've yet to run across any kind of package conflict when updating anything (even when updating the whole system)
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:25] <cmdln> good to hear
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:30] <rmatte> Ubuntu has been around for like 6 or 7 years now
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:32] <rmatte> it's not that new
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:33] <rmatte> :P
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:36] <cmdln> yeah lol
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:47] <chudler> I havent seen any benefit Ubuntu has over debian, unless support is your goal. then again, I dislike ubuntu, personally.
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:47] <cmdln> like i said not on MY server ;)
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:05] <rmatte> meh
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:10] <cmdln> ubuntu has a large active and fairly freindly community
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:15] <cmdln> and newer packages
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:22] <cmdln> thats its benefit
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:28] <cmdln> and you can buy support from canonical
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:44] <rmatte> I wouldn't buy support, but I am a fan of projects with large communities
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:53] <rmatte> and ubuntu is the leader in that department
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:55] <cmdln> sadly at $work we use Centos and Redhat
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:10] <rmatte> yeh, I'm not a big CentOS, RedHat, Fedora guy
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:15] <rmatte> those distros drive me nuts
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:17] <cmdln> not a fan of rpm
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:18] <chudler> I dont care for their community either; mostly full of bad advice and half-truths, but that's just one person's experience ;-)
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:18] <cmdln> yeh
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:19] Zenethian is now known as zenethian
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:39] <cmdln> chudler: true many people claim knowledge when they know nothing
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:51] <cmdln> but that is really no different in RH/Centos/Fedora world
[04-Nov-2009 11:01:18] <cmdln> its like the RHCE i ran across "Its impossible to convert a system to raid 1 after os install"
[04-Nov-2009 11:01:25] <chudler> I see a difference, albeit slight. If the communities are truly no different, then only the size would matter. the truth lies somewhere between.
[04-Nov-2009 11:01:56] <cmdln> I think you definatly have more "newbs" on ubuntu
[04-Nov-2009 11:02:27] <cmdln> thn again I think i would prefer Solaris anyway
[04-Nov-2009 11:02:41] <cmdln> you really cant compete with ZFS
[04-Nov-2009 11:03:08] <cmdln> though package management is crap
[04-Nov-2009 11:03:15] <cmdln> dIMHO anyway
[04-Nov-2009 11:03:15] <zenethian> it's too bad Sun doesn't seem to care much about Solaris anymore.
[04-Nov-2009 11:03:26] <chudler> heh, yeah, its all crap outside of the world of debian.
[04-Nov-2009 11:03:44] <cmdln> zenethian: I think they are moving more to opensolaris slowly
[04-Nov-2009 11:04:09] <cmdln> and Ian Murdock works there or did last i knew, basically re-tooling a new apt for solaris/opensolaris
[04-Nov-2009 11:04:21] <zenethian> It's too bad Apple suddenly stopped their zfs project.
[04-Nov-2009 11:04:34] <chudler> true. OpenSolaris packaging has a firm ground and they're building it higher all the time. It is very deb like.
[04-Nov-2009 11:04:34] <cmdln> mmm
[04-Nov-2009 11:04:48] <chudler> It integrates sweetly with zfs also.
[04-Nov-2009 11:04:51] <cmdln> I have a friend who like apple servers
[04-Nov-2009 11:04:54] <zenethian> and now they're looking around saying "What ZFS? What's that? I have no idea what you're talking about....."
[04-Nov-2009 11:05:13] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 11:05:21] <cmdln> not something I would run myself, but again i think they have a nice desktop .... just not for me
[04-Nov-2009 11:05:30] <zenethian> =)
[04-Nov-2009 11:06:37] <chudler> maybe they will revamp hfs finally. again, I mean ;-)
[04-Nov-2009 11:12:22] <suprsonic> FreeBSD + ZFS = pwnage
[04-Nov-2009 11:12:54] * suprsonic had to put his two cents in.
[04-Nov-2009 11:16:02] <chudler> if I want to bump a version number on a zenpack, I just edit setup.py and run make again correct? Nothing else to change?
[04-Nov-2009 11:16:15] <mrayzenoss> correct
[04-Nov-2009 11:16:43] <chudler> cool thanks. New version coming up...
[04-Nov-2009 11:21:44] <mrayzenoss> I've seen a couple reports that the WMI Data Source 2.0.1 works with 2.5… anyone want to test?
[04-Nov-2009 11:27:06] <bigegor> hey
[04-Nov-2009 11:27:42] <mrayzenoss> greetings, I was just asking for WMI 2.0.1 testers
[04-Nov-2009 11:32:41] <rmatte> hmmm weird, one of our Zenoss servers had just suddenly stopped ping testing everything
[04-Nov-2009 11:32:48] <rmatte> had to restart Zenoss to get it going again
[04-Nov-2009 11:32:56] <rmatte> (we missed a ping down event because of it :S)
[04-Nov-2009 11:34:43] <rmatte> weird
[04-Nov-2009 11:34:51] <rmatte> the number of devices it was trying to ping increased right before it stopped trying to ping
[04-Nov-2009 11:34:59] <rmatte> 2009-11-04 11:17:20 WARNING zen.ZenPing: ip 10.61.224.246 is down
[04-Nov-2009 11:34:59] <rmatte> 2009-11-04 11:17:20 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 95 jobs in 3.06 seconds
[04-Nov-2009 11:34:59] <rmatte> 2009-11-04 11:18:18 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 83 jobs in 1.54 seconds
[04-Nov-2009 11:34:59] <rmatte> 2009-11-04 11:19:18 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 83 jobs in 1.53 seconds
[04-Nov-2009 11:35:16] <rmatte> then it pinged but never found anything down
[04-Nov-2009 11:35:20] <rmatte> even though stuff was down
[04-Nov-2009 11:35:33] <rmatte> oh well
[04-Nov-2009 11:35:43] <rmatte> ah 95 was the correct number
[04-Nov-2009 11:35:47] <rmatte> so it was actually pinging less
[04-Nov-2009 11:38:43] <chudler> hey mrayzenoss. Those changes to build-egg.sh (r412) keep destroying my .svn working directory, just FYI
[04-Nov-2009 11:39:32] <mrayzenoss> chudler: crap, that wasn't supposed to be checked in
[04-Nov-2009 11:39:54] <mrayzenoss> that gets around the stupid build limitations of our Python 2.4 stuff on OS X 10.6, I'll revert it
[04-Nov-2009 11:40:08] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: someone tested the 2.0.1 version of the WMI pack and said it worked quite well
[04-Nov-2009 11:40:33] <mrayzenoss> yeah, I'm talking to bigegor right now, he's got a 1.5 version for upgrading from 2.4.5 to 2.5
[04-Nov-2009 11:40:52] <rmatte> cool
[04-Nov-2009 11:40:54] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: I just install the WMIDataSource-Zenpack on my Test-System (VM-Appliance with zenoss 2.4.5) and after restart zenoss it says
[04-Nov-2009 11:40:55] <mrayzenoss> chudler: 412 has all sorts of stuff I didn't want to check in
[04-Nov-2009 11:41:52] <klinstifen> anyone know which logfile zeopack writes to?
[04-Nov-2009 11:42:04] <rmatte> Troubadix09: old WMI pack or new?
[04-Nov-2009 11:42:27] <rmatte> klinstifen: zeo.log?
[04-Nov-2009 11:42:28] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 11:42:28] <chudler> mrayzenoss: I thought so. I reverted locally. I thought I was going crazy when svn kept telling me I didnt have a working copy! heh
[04-Nov-2009 11:42:33] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: but only 3days history
[04-Nov-2009 11:42:38] <Troubadix09> ups
[04-Nov-2009 11:42:55] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: zenoss$ zenperfwmi start
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:00] <klinstifen> mkay thx
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:08] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: starting...
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:20] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: Traceback (most recent call last):
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:24] <rmatte> Troubadix09: old WMI pack or new?
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:34] <Troubadix09> rmatte: new
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:38] <rmatte> then that's your problem
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:43] <rmatte> the new pack doesn't work with 2.4.5
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:48] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: File "/home/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource-2.0.1-py2.4.egg/ZenPacks/community/WMIDataSource/zenperfwmi.py", line 35, in ?
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:55] <rmatte> but you need to install it on 2.4.5 before upgrading so that you don't trash your install
[04-Nov-2009 11:44:00] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: from Products.ZenCollector.daemon import CollectorDaemon
[04-Nov-2009 11:44:04] <rmatte> so you install that pack then upgrade immediately to 2.5
[04-Nov-2009 11:44:07] <rmatte> and then it works
[04-Nov-2009 11:44:15] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: ImportError: No module named ZenCollector.daemon
[04-Nov-2009 11:44:25] <rmatte> Troubadix09: the error is irrelevant
[04-Nov-2009 11:44:27] <rmatte> read what I said
[04-Nov-2009 11:44:48] <Troubadix09> rmatte: ok... sorry. I read it
[04-Nov-2009 11:45:00] <Troubadix09> rmatte: i try that
[04-Nov-2009 11:45:09] <rmatte> if you upgrade to 2.5 the pack will work fine
[04-Nov-2009 11:45:32] <Troubadix09> rmatte: we will see ... ;-)
[04-Nov-2009 11:45:44] <rmatte> Troubadix09: I've tested it myself and I'm sure it'll work
[04-Nov-2009 11:45:45] <rmatte> :P
[04-Nov-2009 11:47:14] <rmatte> It would be nice if zenprocess cycle time were graphed in the collector performance data
[04-Nov-2009 11:50:39] <mrayzenoss> chudler: svn update, I've rolled back my changes
[04-Nov-2009 11:57:52] <Troubadix09> hi gwb235
[04-Nov-2009 11:58:48] <Troubadix09> gwb235: for your question long time ago this paper could be helpful for zenoss core: http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/users_events_zproperties_paper.pdf
[04-Nov-2009 11:59:47] * mrayzenoss off to lunch
[04-Nov-2009 12:00:17] <Troubadix09> rmatte: "Creating rollback...warning: /home/zenoss/.fresh_install is missing (use remove if this is intentional)" thru upgrading, is this important
[04-Nov-2009 12:01:23] <rmatte> no
[04-Nov-2009 12:01:45] <rmatte> that shouldn't hurt anything
[04-Nov-2009 12:02:13] <gwb235> wdw: yes, we're using enterprise
[04-Nov-2009 12:04:42] <mdereus> When running ./uninstall is there any more cleanup that needs to be done such as removing the zenoss user or database before reinstalling?
[04-Nov-2009 12:05:45] <rmatte> no
[04-Nov-2009 12:05:50] <rmatte> uninstall cleans everything up
[04-Nov-2009 12:09:54] <mdereus> cool, thanks
[04-Nov-2009 12:10:13] <mdereus> I'm starting over since 2.5 and that one zenpack broke things. :(
[04-Nov-2009 12:11:33] <rmatte> yup
[04-Nov-2009 12:11:35] <rmatte> it tends to do that
[04-Nov-2009 12:15:23] <rmatte> sweet, just got my event filters built in to my ticket create script, booyeh
[04-Nov-2009 12:15:30] <Troubadix09> rmatte: hmm ... zenoss daemons starts without error ...
[04-Nov-2009 12:15:36] <rmatte> now I just need to code a config file for it
[04-Nov-2009 12:15:47] <rmatte> Troubadix09: then it's working
[04-Nov-2009 12:17:56] <Troubadix09> rmatte: i didn't trust the silence before I see a working event-console ..
[04-Nov-2009 12:18:05] <rmatte> :P
[04-Nov-2009 12:18:16] <rmatte> the thing about Zenoss is if it doesn't work, it makes noise
[04-Nov-2009 12:18:24] <rmatte> :)
[04-Nov-2009 12:20:15] <Troubadix09> rmatte: some non-zenoss-question: what means, when I shutdown my Linux the message nfs locking ........ [failed]
[04-Nov-2009 12:21:53] <Troubadix09> rmatte: are there 2.5 patches needed after upgrading?
[04-Nov-2009 12:24:08] <rmatte> Troubadix09: no
[04-Nov-2009 12:24:11] <rmatte> no patches
[04-Nov-2009 12:24:21] <rmatte> not sure about the nfs locking failed
[04-Nov-2009 12:24:28] <rmatte> shouldn't technically hurt anything
[04-Nov-2009 12:31:37] <Troubadix09> rmatte: after restart the server and restart zenoss again, zenwin and zeneventlog start and stop immediatly
[04-Nov-2009 12:32:03] <Troubadix09> rmatte: zenperfwmi stops with "/usr/lib/zope/bin/python: can't open file '/home/zenoss/zenperfwmi.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory"
[04-Nov-2009 12:32:06] <rmatte> check the logs for those daemons
[04-Nov-2009 12:32:25] <rmatte> why the hell is it looking in /home/zenoss for that file?
[04-Nov-2009 12:32:47] <rmatte> do echo $ZENHOME
[04-Nov-2009 12:32:51] <rmatte> what is it?
[04-Nov-2009 12:33:55] <Troubadix09> rmatte: /home/zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 12:34:03] <rmatte> then that's your problem
[04-Nov-2009 12:34:09] <rmatte> it's supposed to be /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 12:34:17] <rmatte> how did it get to /home/zenoss?
[04-Nov-2009 12:34:37] <Troubadix09> rmatte: zenwin and zeneventlog seems to be working after starting them manually
[04-Nov-2009 12:34:40] <rmatte> your environment variables for the zenoss user are totally screwed
[04-Nov-2009 12:34:47] <Troubadix09> rmatte: it is vm-appliance
[04-Nov-2009 12:34:52] <rmatte> oh
[04-Nov-2009 12:35:07] <Troubadix09> rmatte: there it is /home/zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 12:35:10] <rmatte> I've never used the VM appliance before... not sure how smoothly the upgrade actually works on it
[04-Nov-2009 12:35:21] <rmatte> did you try to use the stack installer on the vm appliance?
[04-Nov-2009 12:35:57] <rmatte> I'm pretty sure that there are specific upgrade instructions for the VM appliance
[04-Nov-2009 12:35:59] <Troubadix09> rmatte: no, i use conary update, as describe in Chapter 8.4 in Install-Guide
[04-Nov-2009 12:36:01] <rmatte> read the install guide for 2.5
[04-Nov-2009 12:36:05] <rmatte> ah
[04-Nov-2009 12:36:45] <Troubadix09> rmatte: i look carefully to this instructions an follow them
[04-Nov-2009 12:37:15] <Troubadix09> rmatte: I try to find this file and set a symbolic link
[04-Nov-2009 12:40:58] <rmatte> you shouldn't have to symlink stuff to make it work
[04-Nov-2009 12:41:26] <Troubadix09> rmatte: this is where i find it "/home/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource-2.0.1-py2.4.egg/ZenPacks/community/WMIDataSource"
[04-Nov-2009 12:41:40] <rmatte> ah
[04-Nov-2009 12:41:52] <rmatte> when the pack is installed it should tell Zenoss where to find it
[04-Nov-2009 12:42:58] <Troubadix09> rmatte: reinstall the Zenpack?
[04-Nov-2009 12:43:29] <rmatte> I'm not sure if the ZenPack was ever tested with the VM appliance is what I'm saying
[04-Nov-2009 12:47:38] <Troubadix09> rmatte: is it necessary to make such a long path for the Zenpacks?
[04-Nov-2009 12:49:45] <rmatte> yes
[04-Nov-2009 12:49:52] <rmatte> that's standard ZenPack formatting
[04-Nov-2009 12:50:57] <Troubadix09> rmatte: hmm.. my test-environment seems to be to slow, now zenprocess won't start after zenoss restart ... looking the log
[04-Nov-2009 12:51:46] <Troubadix09> rmatte: after manully starting the daemon it work
[04-Nov-2009 12:52:51] <Troubadix09> rmatte: after installing the zenpack again, it start and run ... I'm waiting some cycle to see if wmi-perf working
[04-Nov-2009 12:52:52] <rmatte> look through your log to see why it's failing
[04-Nov-2009 12:53:28] <Troubadix09> rmatte: nothing special in the zenprocess.log
[04-Nov-2009 12:55:11] <rmatte> try running the daemon with the -v10 option
[04-Nov-2009 12:55:23] <rmatte> zenprocess run -v10 --cycle
[04-Nov-2009 12:55:39] <rmatte> when you say "start it manually" how are you starting it?
[04-Nov-2009 13:00:16] <Troubadix09> rmatte : as user zenoss zenprocess start then zenprocess status to watch if its running
[04-Nov-2009 13:02:01] <rmatte> I see
[04-Nov-2009 13:02:07] <rmatte> but when you do a "zenoss start" it doesn't work?
[04-Nov-2009 13:02:34] <rmatte> by the way, don't do "zenoss restart" at all, processes don't come back up half the time
[04-Nov-2009 13:02:38] <rmatte> better to do zenoss stop
[04-Nov-2009 13:02:40] <rmatte> wait a few seconds
[04-Nov-2009 13:02:43] <rmatte> then zenoss start
[04-Nov-2009 13:04:03] <Troubadix09> rmatte: oh ... thats a nice tip ... best way to delete *.pid and *.zec in $ZENHOME/var I think
[04-Nov-2009 13:04:19] <Troubadix09> rmatte: before starting zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 13:04:27] <Troubadix09> rmatte: thanks
[04-Nov-2009 13:05:01] <Troubadix09> rmatte: all seems to be working well now
[04-Nov-2009 13:06:17] <Troubadix09> rmatte: well done ... I see a working event-console ... yipiyaye
[04-Nov-2009 13:06:25] <klinstifen> could someone tell me what their permissions are for data.fs
[04-Nov-2009 13:07:29] <klinstifen> mine is set to 644 but i want to make sure that's correct
[04-Nov-2009 13:08:19] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: mine is set to 775
[04-Nov-2009 13:09:45] <Troubadix09> rmatte: heiho ... hohei ... wmi-perf seems to work fine
[04-Nov-2009 13:10:39] <klinstifen> Troubad: thx
[04-Nov-2009 13:11:17] <Troubadix09> rmatte: thanks for listen to me, zenoss-team and Egor Puzanov: thanks for the great job
[04-Nov-2009 13:12:04] <rmatte> zenoss@lab01:/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/var$ ls -al | grep Data.fs
[04-Nov-2009 13:12:04] <rmatte> -rw-r--r-- 1 zenoss zenoss 289683455 2009-11-03 17:21 Data.fs
[04-Nov-2009 13:12:34] <Troubadix09> rmatte: tomorrow I will try to upgarde the production-system (with snapshot before) ;-) tomorrow
[04-Nov-2009 13:12:54] <rmatte> so...
[04-Nov-2009 13:13:02] <rmatte> chown zenoss:zenoss Data.fs
[04-Nov-2009 13:13:28] <Troubadix09> rmatte: hmm... I don't change the permission, have you change them?
[04-Nov-2009 13:13:34] <rmatte> Troubadix09: nope
[04-Nov-2009 13:13:37] <rmatte> stock permissions
[04-Nov-2009 13:13:42] <klinstifen> hmm
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:02] <rmatte> chmod 322 apparently
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:17] <Troubadix09> rmatte: sorry, what mean "stock" ?
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:20] <rmatte> erm
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:26] <rmatte> 644
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:27] <rmatte> rather
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:40] <rmatte> Troubadix09: stock means it's the way it came as
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:40] <kisielk> hm, my problem seems to be spreading
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:42] <rmatte> no modifications
[04-Nov-2009 13:16:19] <Troubadix09> rmatte: aeh... different permissions in different distro's/installs ?
[04-Nov-2009 13:16:56] <rmatte> possibly, I used stack installer
[04-Nov-2009 13:17:05] <rmatte> doubt it would be distro specific though
[04-Nov-2009 13:17:10] <rmatte> probably just based on the installation method
[04-Nov-2009 13:17:27] <Troubadix09> rmatte: make it sence?
[04-Nov-2009 13:18:00] <rmatte> Troubadix09: quite honestly, the VM appliance is more for just testing Zenoss out than actually monitoring stuff, you should really setup a Linux VM from scratch or get a box to dedicate to Zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 13:18:37] <rmatte> It's so that people can quickly download and demo it
[04-Nov-2009 13:19:07] <rmatte> food time, afk
[04-Nov-2009 13:19:08] <Troubadix09> rmatte: yes, i'm testing a migration to CentOS 5.3 in a VM
[04-Nov-2009 13:20:56] <Troubadix09> rmatte: I have trouble with SEL activated on CenOS 5.3
[04-Nov-2009 13:21:23] <rmatte> SEL = SuSe?
[04-Nov-2009 13:21:37] <Troubadix09> rmatte: no, Secure Enhanced Linux
[04-Nov-2009 13:21:41] <rmatte> ah
[04-Nov-2009 13:21:53] <rmatte> I don't really use RedHat or CentOS (I don't like it)
[04-Nov-2009 13:22:42] <Troubadix09> rmatte: I try ubuntu-server first time with zenoss and it work for a while, then from time to time ubuntu hangs#
[04-Nov-2009 13:23:12] <Troubadix09> rmatte: mostly the mysql hangs
[04-Nov-2009 13:23:13] <rmatte> hangs?
[04-Nov-2009 13:23:19] <rmatte> I've never seen that behaviour before with Ubuntu
[04-Nov-2009 13:23:32] <rmatte> I have 11 Zenoss Core servers running on Ubuntu without any issues
[04-Nov-2009 13:23:51] <Troubadix09> rmatte: yes, login goes, but no console activity shows
[04-Nov-2009 13:24:14] <rmatte> that's more of a configuration issue than anything
[04-Nov-2009 13:24:27] <rmatte> you would have to troubleshoot what's causing that
[04-Nov-2009 13:24:36] <rmatte> anyways, afk
[04-Nov-2009 13:24:45] <Troubadix09> rmatte: ok. cu
[04-Nov-2009 13:25:57] <l2huynh> anyone here have trouble with 2.5 event console not rendering in Firefox?
[04-Nov-2009 13:26:16] <mrayzenoss> l2huynh: there's a known issue on IE, but not FF
[04-Nov-2009 13:33:23] <l2huynh> I've dug through the forum for similar problems
[04-Nov-2009 13:34:05] <l2huynh> the event console rendered on IE and chrome but not FF for me
[04-Nov-2009 13:34:08] <l2huynh> that's strange
[04-Nov-2009 13:34:41] <klinstifen> did you try clearing the cache?
[04-Nov-2009 13:34:54] <rmatte> Man I keep liking python more and more: http://docs.python.org/library/configparser.html
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:03] <rmatte> library for parsing config files, frigging awesome
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:11] <adytum-bot> Title: 14.2. ConfigParser — Configuration file parser — Python v2.6.4 documentation (at docs.python.org)
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:29] <l2huynh> klinstifen: I did, many times
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:31] <rmatte> also the last thing that I need to complete this ticket daemon
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:48] <__jd__> lex/yacc
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:49] <klinstifen> rmatte: what will your ticket daemon do?
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:53] <l2huynh> I ended up reinstalling it this morning, worked for a while and then stopped working
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:54] <__jd__> :-X
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:56] <__jd__> :)
[04-Nov-2009 13:36:28] <rmatte> klinstifen: I'll show you the code that I have so far (excluding the actual daemon code, which is already done, I'm just testing the script as a non-daemon...)
[04-Nov-2009 13:37:04] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/ma743986 <--- There's the code, the printing at the bottom is just for debug, obviously won't be included in the final daemon
[04-Nov-2009 13:37:14] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[04-Nov-2009 13:37:57] <rmatte> basically it reads through the active event log, picks the oldest event, and calls on a ticket create script (while passing it a bunch of info), then it waits to make sure that the ticket create script completed successfully (it'll provide a negative value as the output instead of a ticket number if it doesn't)
[04-Nov-2009 13:38:15] <rmatte> then when it has confirmed that the ticket has been created it moves the event to history and moves on to the next event
[04-Nov-2009 13:38:31] <rmatte> it continues until the active event log is empty, then pauses 30 seconds before checking again
[04-Nov-2009 13:39:00] <klinstifen> is this to work in conjuction with a ticketing system you have?
[04-Nov-2009 13:39:06] <rmatte> correct
[04-Nov-2009 13:39:18] <rmatte> we're currently using the event manager's commands section to create tickets
[04-Nov-2009 13:39:37] <rmatte> but it is buggy in the sense that it'll only call to create a ticket the first time an event is generated, but not each time it increments
[04-Nov-2009 13:39:38] <klinstifen> that's pretty slick
[04-Nov-2009 13:40:06] <rmatte> this way tickets are always going to get created for events that we care about no matter what
[04-Nov-2009 13:40:31] <rmatte> the only problem is the way that zenoss handles status, it expects events to be in the active event console to show proper status of devices
[04-Nov-2009 13:40:41] <rmatte> so I may have to modify the script a bit to overcome that
[04-Nov-2009 13:41:30] <rmatte> It would be nice if status and events were treated separately
[04-Nov-2009 13:41:55] <klinstifen> wait...what? so if a ticket is just moved to the history before it is acked then the device shows the old status?
[04-Nov-2009 13:42:37] <rmatte> If a device is showing as down and you move the ping down event to history and check the device before Zenoss has time to generate another ping down event the device shows as up
[04-Nov-2009 13:42:42] <rmatte> which is stupid
[04-Nov-2009 13:43:15] <rmatte> It should know just from the fact that it didn't receive a ping clear event that the device is still down
[04-Nov-2009 13:43:31] <rmatte> same for the way that they are going to be doing interface status
[04-Nov-2009 13:43:39] <rmatte> it should go red on event and green on clear
[04-Nov-2009 13:44:04] <klinstifen> i never noticed this behavior
[04-Nov-2009 13:44:07] <klinstifen> i will have to take a closer look
[04-Nov-2009 13:47:19] <rmatte> I may have to ack the events instead of moving them to history
[04-Nov-2009 13:47:30] <rmatte> not sure how I'll make that work properly though
[04-Nov-2009 13:47:51] <klinstifen> to ack the events?
[04-Nov-2009 13:48:01] <rmatte> no, I can get it to ack the events easily
[04-Nov-2009 13:48:05] <rmatte> I mean the logistics of it
[04-Nov-2009 13:48:09] <klinstifen> ah
[04-Nov-2009 13:48:35] <klinstifen> why not just ack instead of moving to history
[04-Nov-2009 13:48:40] <rmatte> I've got the coding down, I just want to make this as efficient as possible
[04-Nov-2009 13:48:40] <klinstifen> the logstics would be the same
[04-Nov-2009 13:49:16] <rmatte> well, doesn't Zenoss basically stop incrementing the event count when you ack an event?
[04-Nov-2009 13:49:17] <klinstifen> unless you want to move them to history after the ticket is closed
[04-Nov-2009 13:49:29] <rmatte> hmmm, it doesn't...
[04-Nov-2009 13:49:44] <mrayzenoss> it continues to increment, it doesn't process further alerts
[04-Nov-2009 13:49:51] <rmatte> right
[04-Nov-2009 13:50:00] <klinstifen> but you aren't alerting
[04-Nov-2009 13:50:05] <klinstifen> you are just processing through the event console
[04-Nov-2009 13:50:14] <rmatte> the not processing further alerts is one of the reasons why I need to write this script in the first place
[04-Nov-2009 13:50:14] <klinstifen> err event list...wahtever
[04-Nov-2009 13:50:59] <rmatte> I need it to kick off every time the event increments
[04-Nov-2009 13:51:00] <klinstifen> guess you'd need a table of events that have been processed and their previous count...then you'd have to compare and see if it went up
[04-Nov-2009 13:51:18] <klinstifen> although this number could be built into your ticket number
[04-Nov-2009 13:51:19] <rmatte> yeh, I may have to do that, hmm
[04-Nov-2009 13:51:33] <klinstifen> ticket aaaa1 vs ticket aaaa2
[04-Nov-2009 13:51:50] <rmatte> it is technically built in to the ticket number, but that wouldn't work, because say the event gets moved to history by hand by someone, then the count is lower than what's in the ticket
[04-Nov-2009 13:52:04] <rmatte> we have an actual field in the ticket called "Event Count"
[04-Nov-2009 13:52:24] <rmatte> and it increments each time the ticket create script is run for an event when the event already exists
[04-Nov-2009 13:52:33] <rmatte> the ticket create script is extremely complex
[04-Nov-2009 13:53:14] <klinstifen> well if you running this every 30 seconds or so
[04-Nov-2009 13:53:21] <klinstifen> then it won't matter if the ticket is acked or not
[04-Nov-2009 13:53:26] <klinstifen> because it should catch the increment count
[04-Nov-2009 13:53:30] <klinstifen> on the next go around
[04-Nov-2009 13:53:43] <rmatte> no, I mean if the ticket is moved to history by hand
[04-Nov-2009 13:53:48] <rmatte> then it would totally screw the script up
[04-Nov-2009 13:54:03] <rmatte> I'd have to have a table kept within the daemon itself
[04-Nov-2009 13:54:10] <klinstifen> wouldn't you just end up with a dup ticket?
[04-Nov-2009 13:54:15] <rmatte> no
[04-Nov-2009 13:54:26] <rmatte> the ticket create script that I'm calling on auto-correlates
[04-Nov-2009 13:54:31] <rmatte> it's very intelligent
[04-Nov-2009 13:54:32] <rmatte> :)
[04-Nov-2009 13:55:04] <rmatte> so I really just need to feed data to it each time an event comes in (even if it's just incrementing an existing event count)
[04-Nov-2009 13:55:05] <klinstifen> i am missing something then...if it autocorrelates and it is running on a repeating basis...then why would the ticket being moved to the history cause a problem?
[04-Nov-2009 13:55:13] <davetoo> Nice. I managed to clobber ZenPortletManager somehow, messing around with skins.
[04-Nov-2009 13:55:40] <rmatte> klinstifen: because, the value for event count in the ticketing system will be higher than the event count in Zenoss after an event is moved to history and a new event is generated
[04-Nov-2009 13:56:00] <rmatte> the event count stored in the ticket could be like 156 but after moving the event to history in zenoss the event count in Zenoss is 1
[04-Nov-2009 13:56:21] <rmatte> so the event would have to make it all the way back up to 156 before it would start kicking off the ticket create script again
[04-Nov-2009 13:57:03] <klinstifen> couldn't you do a check...if zenoss event autocorrelates with ticket then it is the same thing (but was accidentally moved) so take smaller count and add to ticket count?
[04-Nov-2009 13:57:33] <rmatte> klinstifen: yeh it does that, I'm just saying that I can't use the count in the ticketing system as a basis for the script
[04-Nov-2009 13:57:40] <davetoo> Module OFS.Application, line 123, in __bobo_traverse__ KeyError: 'ZenPortletManager'
[04-Nov-2009 13:57:51] <rmatte> I need to keep an up to date table in the daemon of the current event counts and kick off each time they increase
[04-Nov-2009 13:58:13] <klinstifen> hmm
[04-Nov-2009 13:59:43] * davetoo wonders if he can run zenmigrate again to fix the relations and put zenportletmanager back
[04-Nov-2009 14:13:58] <rmatte> hmmmm, I think I just had a great idea lol
[04-Nov-2009 14:14:05] <rmatte> just need to test to see if it works
[04-Nov-2009 14:17:19] <rmatte> hmmm, didn't work
[04-Nov-2009 14:17:41] <rmatte> added a transform to /Events
[04-Nov-2009 14:17:41] <rmatte> if evt.eventState == 1:
[04-Nov-2009 14:17:42] <rmatte> evt.eventState = 0
[04-Nov-2009 14:17:50] <rmatte> doesn't work though
[04-Nov-2009 14:20:40] <Troubadix09> rmatte: when in the new event-console I try through the select-button select "new", to mark new events, i get down right a transparent window "Connection error"
[04-Nov-2009 14:21:10] <klinstifen> oh boy oh boy...zeopacking a data.fs that i moved to a diff server
[04-Nov-2009 14:21:15] * klinstifen crosses fingers
[04-Nov-2009 14:21:19] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 14:21:24] <cgibbons> what's the worst that could happen? :)
[04-Nov-2009 14:21:26] <Troubadix09> rmatte: short time after i try it again, it work
[04-Nov-2009 14:21:29] <rmatte> Troubadix09: it's having issues connecting to your MySQL server
[04-Nov-2009 14:21:59] <rmatte> Troubadix09: are you sure that VM has sufficient resources to run Zenoss?
[04-Nov-2009 14:22:12] <rmatte> Troubadix09: Zenoss can be fairly intensive, does it have at least 2GB of RAM allocated to it?
[04-Nov-2009 14:22:36] <Troubadix09> rmatte: hmm ... 4GB RAM, two 4coreProc
[04-Nov-2009 14:22:48] <rmatte> then no idea, it should be working fine
[04-Nov-2009 14:23:00] <rmatte> then again I haven't worked with 2.5 much other than some basic Beta testing
[04-Nov-2009 14:23:08] <rmatte> since I don't personally think it's production ready yet
[04-Nov-2009 14:23:26] <rmatte> the current release should have been an RC2
[04-Nov-2009 14:23:38] <Troubadix09> rmatte: hehe
[04-Nov-2009 14:25:24] <klinstifen> data.fs you are supposed to shrink not grow
[04-Nov-2009 14:25:34] <klinstifen> zeopack, pack!
[04-Nov-2009 14:25:44] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 14:25:51] <cgibbons> I think the reality is if it was just RC2 then the issues that showed up wouldn't have been found as a lot of peeps were doing real upgrades to test the betas/RCs.
[04-Nov-2009 14:27:30] <rmatte> cgibbons: true, I'm just saying that because a few really obvious things weren't fixed in it
[04-Nov-2009 14:27:58] <cgibbons> they weren't obvious until peeps discovered them, no?
[04-Nov-2009 14:28:33] <rmatte> I'd been mentioning to have an option to specify the range that you wanted to view for the event history ever since the first beta
[04-Nov-2009 14:28:36] <rmatte> and it's still not fixed
[04-Nov-2009 14:28:38] <rmatte> for example
[04-Nov-2009 14:29:02] <rmatte> I'd also been mentioning how you should be able to enable monitoring on a port that was previously admin down without having to remodel the entire device
[04-Nov-2009 14:29:40] <rmatte> the history range has not been addressed and the monitoring fix had been labeled for Stone Crab in Trac
[04-Nov-2009 14:29:52] <rmatte> s/had/hs
[04-Nov-2009 14:29:54] <rmatte> has*
[04-Nov-2009 14:30:35] <rmatte> until both of those things are fixed I won't be using it for prod
[04-Nov-2009 14:30:48] <rmatte> I can't afford to remodel an entire switch just to enable monitoring on a port, it's ridiculous
[04-Nov-2009 14:31:13] <cgibbons> that issue is no different than it is today though, no?
[04-Nov-2009 14:32:01] <rmatte> incorrect, if I temporarily disable monitoring on a port I can re-enable it without remodelling the whole device because the port is showing green (since the status only updates on remodel)
[04-Nov-2009 14:32:35] <rmatte> and I can enable monitoring on a port even if it's showing as down, it just won't monitor it until it shows as up
[04-Nov-2009 14:32:46] <rmatte> so it's similar, but not as bad as it is in 2.5
[04-Nov-2009 14:33:55] <rmatte> speaking of which, do you know what class events need to be generated for to change the interface status icons in King Crab?
[04-Nov-2009 14:34:03] <rmatte> Chet had mentioned it to me a while back but I can't remember
[04-Nov-2009 14:34:05] <cgibbons> nope
[04-Nov-2009 14:34:15] <cgibbons> Chet is your man for all that stuff
[04-Nov-2009 14:34:51] <rmatte> I want to monitor the instructions here: docs/DOC-2494 to work with King Crab
[04-Nov-2009 14:34:57] <rmatte> won't be hard, just a couple quick changes
[04-Nov-2009 14:34:58] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Polling Interface Status (at community.zenoss.org)
[04-Nov-2009 14:35:09] <rmatte> s/monitor/modify
[04-Nov-2009 14:35:22] <rmatte> my fingers are moving faster than my brain right now :P
[04-Nov-2009 14:36:33] <rmatte> hmmmm, it's probably /Perf/Interface
[04-Nov-2009 14:43:54] <klinstifen> rmatte: do you monitor links between satellite locations or are you just using zenoss to monitor servers switches?
[04-Nov-2009 14:45:48] <klinstifen> or does anyone for that matter
[04-Nov-2009 14:46:00] <klinstifen> if you do are you using the Google Map portle or something else?
[04-Nov-2009 14:46:19] <chemist> we monitor 40+ locations
[04-Nov-2009 14:47:06] <chemist> but and we use the googlemaps portlet
[04-Nov-2009 14:47:18] <chemist> however, we dont use the links feaure
[04-Nov-2009 14:47:27] <klinstifen> yeah...
[04-Nov-2009 14:47:34] <klinstifen> just the little dots, right?
[04-Nov-2009 14:47:35] <chemist> *feature
[04-Nov-2009 14:47:38] <chemist> yes
[04-Nov-2009 14:48:05] <klinstifen> i am using weathermap, but it is getting old
[04-Nov-2009 14:48:14] <chemist> never used it
[04-Nov-2009 14:48:15] <klinstifen> wondering if there is a better way
[04-Nov-2009 14:50:11] <chemist> well , if you only need to monitor the status of the devices, google maps works well
[04-Nov-2009 14:50:35] <klinstifen> i used networkweathermap
[04-Nov-2009 14:50:39] <klinstifen> to see status and link activity
[04-Nov-2009 14:50:56] <chemist> our network has a few peculiarities that mean we cant use the lines for the links
[04-Nov-2009 14:50:59] <klinstifen> every now and then one of our locations goes nuts and monopolizes the t1
[04-Nov-2009 14:51:07] <klinstifen> yeah
[04-Nov-2009 14:51:10] <klinstifen> i hear yea
[04-Nov-2009 14:51:15] <klinstifen> i started off with the link feature
[04-Nov-2009 14:51:18] <klinstifen> but then ditched it
[04-Nov-2009 14:51:33] <klinstifen> because i had to create manual interfaces to get everything to look the way it actually worked
[04-Nov-2009 14:52:09] <chemist> is that the fake interface method to get dependencies working?
[04-Nov-2009 14:52:39] <klinstifen> yeah i think so
[04-Nov-2009 14:54:11] <klinstifen> hey, this zeopack is working now
[04-Nov-2009 14:54:23] <klinstifen> 100% disk utilization...ha!
[04-Nov-2009 14:55:11] <klinstifen> will have to mention this technique in the forums or something...didnt see it covered before
[04-Nov-2009 14:57:31] <rmatte> yeh, interesting
[04-Nov-2009 15:07:08] <venturaville> anyone else at LISA today?
[04-Nov-2009 15:07:18] <rmatte> aha, just found the zPreferSnmpNaming option
[04-Nov-2009 15:11:30] <rmatte> was wondering why it wasn't picking up on device names via snmp
[04-Nov-2009 15:14:39] <klinstifen> hahah...just packed my 24GB data.fs down to ....
[04-Nov-2009 15:14:43] <klinstifen> 33MB
[04-Nov-2009 15:14:48] <rmatte> nice
[04-Nov-2009 15:14:53] <klinstifen> mmm disk space
[04-Nov-2009 15:15:04] <rmatte> it's obviously not usable while packed?
[04-Nov-2009 15:15:29] <klinstifen> wha? up and running right now
[04-Nov-2009 15:15:34] <rmatte> really?
[04-Nov-2009 15:15:37] <rmatte> that must be intensive?
[04-Nov-2009 15:15:37] <klinstifen> yeah
[04-Nov-2009 15:16:02] <klinstifen> gonna remove symlinks and restart and look for errors
[04-Nov-2009 15:16:04] <klinstifen> but i think i am ok
[04-Nov-2009 15:16:18] <klinstifen> oh you mean zenoss must have been slow while packing?
[04-Nov-2009 15:16:26] <rmatte> so to be clear, your Zenoss instance is actually actively using the 33MB file?
[04-Nov-2009 15:16:48] <klinstifen> that's why i am going to restart
[04-Nov-2009 15:16:49] <rmatte> and you've gained like 23GB of disk space?
[04-Nov-2009 15:17:05] <klinstifen> it may be refrencing the data.fs copy i moved off the box
[04-Nov-2009 15:17:11] * klinstifen zenoss restart
[04-Nov-2009 15:17:12] <rmatte> that's possible
[04-Nov-2009 15:17:23] <rmatte> zenoss restart blows
[04-Nov-2009 15:17:31] <rmatte> zenoss stop && sleep 3 && zenoss start
[04-Nov-2009 15:17:57] <klinstifen> meh
[04-Nov-2009 15:18:06] <klinstifen> i am a traditionalist
[04-Nov-2009 15:18:06] <zenethian> I am really not certain why restart isn't exactly that line anyway.
[04-Nov-2009 15:20:25] <klinstifen> up and running
[04-Nov-2009 15:20:40] <klinstifen> what goes in data.fs?
[04-Nov-2009 15:20:43] <rmatte> zenethian: without the sleep
[04-Nov-2009 15:20:45] <klinstifen> event cache?
[04-Nov-2009 15:21:11] <rmatte> zenethian: I've had numerous occasions where I did a zenoss restart and some of the daemons didn't come up because it didn't even give them enough time to shut down before trying to start them again
[04-Nov-2009 15:21:30] <rmatte> zenethian: someone I was helping earlier had the same problem, so I told them to use stop and start instead and it came up fine
[04-Nov-2009 15:21:52] <Troubadix09> rmatte: that was me ;-)
[04-Nov-2009 15:21:53] <zenethian> yeah, which makes sense. maybe someday I'll monkey a delay into that. I wonder if there are any reasons not to, though.
[04-Nov-2009 15:22:09] <rmatte> I doubt it, it just probably wasn't thought of
[04-Nov-2009 15:22:27] <klinstifen> do either of you know what goes into data.fs?
[04-Nov-2009 15:22:42] <rmatte> klinstifen: the entire Zope database
[04-Nov-2009 15:22:52] <rmatte> settings, devices, you name it
[04-Nov-2009 15:22:56] <rmatte> everything except for events
[04-Nov-2009 15:23:01] <klinstifen> that's a lot of fluff then if it gets packed down from 24gb to 33mb
[04-Nov-2009 15:23:03] <Troubadix09> zenethian: maybe stop zenoss, delete *.pid and *.zec in $ZENHOME/var, then start, work well
[04-Nov-2009 15:23:23] <rmatte> klinstifen: agreed
[04-Nov-2009 15:23:33] <rmatte> klinstifen: so did it actually work?
[04-Nov-2009 15:23:52] <rmatte> klinstifen: it's basically just one big flat file
[04-Nov-2009 15:24:21] <zenethian> I wouldn't delete them, I'd imagine the best thing to do is to stop, wait for them to be deleted naturally and then continue with start
[04-Nov-2009 15:24:35] <klinstifen> yeah i am back up
[04-Nov-2009 15:24:44] <klinstifen> gonna reboot the box for good measure
[04-Nov-2009 15:24:55] <davetoo> BadRequest: The id "FUJITSU LIMITED/HAL Computer Systems" contains characters illegal in URLs.
[04-Nov-2009 15:25:36] <rmatte> davetoo: obviously lol
[04-Nov-2009 15:25:38] <Troubadix09> zenethian: I never seen that after zenoss stop all daemons, no pid-file or no zec-file is there
[04-Nov-2009 15:25:54] <Troubadix09> zenethian: always some of them left
[04-Nov-2009 15:26:54] <rmatte> I actually never even get zec files
[04-Nov-2009 15:26:57] <rmatte> zenoss@lab01:/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss$ find . -name "*.zec"
[04-Nov-2009 15:26:58] <rmatte> zenoss@lab01:/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss$
[04-Nov-2009 15:27:54] <rmatte> I've screwed with my zope config a bit, increase the zserver-threads value and the pool-size
[04-Nov-2009 15:28:08] <rmatte> s/increase/increased
[04-Nov-2009 15:28:17] <jrock2004> Has anyone had any issues after upgrading to 2.5 that you cannot view the event console on some devices?
[04-Nov-2009 15:28:50] <rmatte> jrock2004: are you using Internet Explorer?
[04-Nov-2009 15:29:23] <jrock2004> rmatte: You know I did not think about that. I am using a custom web broser. heheh
[04-Nov-2009 15:29:35] <rmatte> yeh, use a supported browser :P
[04-Nov-2009 15:29:38] <rmatte> I recommend firefox
[04-Nov-2009 15:30:50] <zenethian> "I'm sorry, sir, I realize you really enjoy using Mosaic, and that Firefox 3 can't run on your 486 DX2/66, but we just can't accomodate you at this time."
[04-Nov-2009 15:31:01] * jrock2004 embarrassed
[04-Nov-2009 15:31:07] <davetoo> xMosaic :)
[04-Nov-2009 15:31:41] <rmatte> Mosaic, omg, I remember that thing
[04-Nov-2009 15:31:43] <klinstifen> ok i am back up
[04-Nov-2009 15:31:45] <zenethian> actually if you had a working 486 with Mosaic on it, I'd give you props. :)
[04-Nov-2009 15:31:47] <klinstifen> everything looks good so far
[04-Nov-2009 15:32:10] <rmatte> I remember using Mosaic on my 486 DX2/33
[04-Nov-2009 15:32:15] <rmatte> :)
[04-Nov-2009 15:32:59] <rmatte> the 8 megs of ram made that thing fly :)
[04-Nov-2009 15:33:19] <rmatte> and the 500MB hard drive was really impressive :P
[04-Nov-2009 15:33:27] <rmatte> then we got a 1GB HD in addition to it
[04-Nov-2009 15:34:23] <zenethian> Trumpet Winsock, Netscape Navigator 3.0, and mIRC 4.5 was all I needed to conquer the world.
[04-Nov-2009 15:34:53] <chemist> and a trusty 56k modem
[04-Nov-2009 15:35:15] <zenethian> no way, when I was doing that it was an external 14.4k modem.
[04-Nov-2009 15:35:28] <chemist> wow
[04-Nov-2009 15:35:31] <rmatte> yeh, I had an internl 14.4 in my DX2/33
[04-Nov-2009 15:35:46] <rmatte> you'd click on a link then go watch tv for half an hour as the page loaded
[04-Nov-2009 15:36:06] <zenethian> V90/V92 didn't come around until like 1998.
[04-Nov-2009 15:36:10] <zenethian> for 56k
[04-Nov-2009 15:36:15] <rmatte> yup
[04-Nov-2009 15:36:17] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: there is an IE7/8 issue with 2.5: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5722
[04-Nov-2009 15:36:25] <zenethian> I am thinking back to 1993
[04-Nov-2009 15:36:25] <rmatte> I had a 33.6 after the 14.4 for the longest time
[04-Nov-2009 15:36:29] <rmatte> then I finally got a 56k
[04-Nov-2009 15:37:00] <zenethian> Oh man, I remember upgrading to a 28.8k with hardware-based compression. I felt like I was flying.
[04-Nov-2009 15:37:04] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: I was using a browser called Fluid. I forgot about that
[04-Nov-2009 15:37:22] <chemist> I ulived in spain then, the only purpose of a modem was to connect to REALLY EXPENSIVE USA based BBS
[04-Nov-2009 15:37:27] <rmatte> yeh, the hardware based compression was really nice
[04-Nov-2009 15:38:21] <rmatte> I remember hopping through BBS systems on an old external 9600 baud modem on a 386 that my dad had brought home from the school he worked at
[04-Nov-2009 15:38:38] <rmatte> we didn't even own a computer at the time
[04-Nov-2009 15:38:43] <zenethian> ah, memories.
[04-Nov-2009 15:38:53] <rmatte> yup
[04-Nov-2009 15:39:11] <rmatte> I'm pretty young compared to you guys probably too, I just got interested in computers at a really young age lol
[04-Nov-2009 15:39:26] <zenethian> Some day, as a joke, at the next all-hands meeting I should show up and plop my old PC Convertable down on the conference table instead of my Macbook. :D
[04-Nov-2009 15:39:30] <chemist> who you calling old?
[04-Nov-2009 15:39:38] <rmatte> oldy
[04-Nov-2009 15:39:39] <cgibbons> lemme go get my walker...
[04-Nov-2009 15:39:45] <chemist> hehe
[04-Nov-2009 15:39:48] <rmatte> don't forget your oxygen
[04-Nov-2009 15:40:06] <rmatte> >:)
[04-Nov-2009 15:40:17] <rmatte> zenethian: that would be a great prank hehe
[04-Nov-2009 15:40:36] <rmatte> I'd love to get an oldschool laptop shell and build a modern day laptop from it
[04-Nov-2009 15:40:52] <rmatte> make a little retro netbook
[04-Nov-2009 15:41:11] <chemist> I got 2 Compaq Contura's on the desk behind me
[04-Nov-2009 15:41:15] <zenethian> that would be neat except this thing is made of steel and weighs 30lbs.
[04-Nov-2009 15:41:29] <rmatte> hehe
[04-Nov-2009 15:41:40] <rmatte> still lighter than my server at home, thing weigh 110lbs
[04-Nov-2009 15:41:49] <rmatte> weighs*
[04-Nov-2009 15:41:54] <zenethian> but it has beautiful mechanical clicky-keys http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9a/Ibm-convertible.jpg
[04-Nov-2009 15:42:03] <rmatte> I love clicky keys
[04-Nov-2009 15:43:04] <chemist> just tried booting one of those compaq's
[04-Nov-2009 15:43:09] <chemist> and it works!!
[04-Nov-2009 15:43:15] <rmatte> haha, nice
[04-Nov-2009 15:43:18] <chemist> MSDOS 6.2
[04-Nov-2009 15:43:39] <zenethian> Pics or it didn't happen. :o)
[04-Nov-2009 15:43:54] <rmatte> :)
[04-Nov-2009 15:45:22] <rmatte> got Wordperfect 5.1 on that thing?
[04-Nov-2009 15:45:31] <chemist> coming right up
[04-Nov-2009 15:45:37] <rmatte> hehe
[04-Nov-2009 15:45:43] <zenethian> Wordperfect 5.1 was the awesome.
[04-Nov-2009 15:45:59] <rmatte> http://www2.purplecow.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/wordperfect-51-dos.png
[04-Nov-2009 15:46:11] <rmatte> who was the idiot who thought that blue was a soothing background color
[04-Nov-2009 15:46:32] <rmatte> I remember using WP 5.1, my eyes were practically bleeding after about a half hour of typing
[04-Nov-2009 15:47:29] <zenethian> I had remapped the entire color scheme
[04-Nov-2009 15:47:59] <rmatte> ah, I never bothered
[04-Nov-2009 15:48:07] <klinstifen> rmatte: i had a bunch of people in my legal department that swore by that blue background
[04-Nov-2009 15:48:17] <klinstifen> the reconfigured their word templates when we upgraded them
[04-Nov-2009 15:48:21] <rmatte> klinstifen: eugh
[04-Nov-2009 15:48:35] <rmatte> klinstifen: I'm sure their eye doctors are loving the business
[04-Nov-2009 15:48:41] <klinstifen> yeah i always wanted to delete normal.dot when i would fix their computers
[04-Nov-2009 15:48:47] <klinstifen> but they would have flipped
[04-Nov-2009 15:48:48] <rmatte> hehe
[04-Nov-2009 15:49:26] <rmatte> "GIVE ME MY BLUE BACK!"
[04-Nov-2009 15:49:52] <klinstifen> yep
[04-Nov-2009 15:50:34] <Troubadix09> in our business we have a secretary who want green Backround all over
[04-Nov-2009 15:51:12] <klinstifen> haha
[04-Nov-2009 15:51:20] <rmatte> horrid
[04-Nov-2009 15:51:26] <Troubadix09> she says it calm down her
[04-Nov-2009 15:51:49] <rmatte> yes, because I'm sure that secretarial work had a tendency to really rev you up
[04-Nov-2009 15:51:53] <Troubadix09> it was lightgreen
[04-Nov-2009 15:52:01] <rmatte> s/had/has
[04-Nov-2009 15:54:07] <Troubadix09> mmm ... 386/DX with mono-amber CRT and multiplan on DOS 5.x
[04-Nov-2009 15:54:29] <chemist> sorry, had to find usb cable for my phone
[04-Nov-2009 15:54:31] <rmatte> does anyone know how you'd go about creating a disk threshold, but one that triggers on abnormal growth rather than on overall size?
[04-Nov-2009 15:54:43] <chemist> but here it is http://imagebin.ca/view/a21tua.html
[04-Nov-2009 15:54:44] <rmatte> like, if the disk were to suddenly grow 300GB in an hour or something it would trigger
[04-Nov-2009 15:54:53] <adytum-bot> Title: 04112009131.jpg (at imagebin.ca)
[04-Nov-2009 15:56:00] <zenethian> wow those are some really big keys
[04-Nov-2009 15:56:26] <chemist> yeah, its about the only thing that is big on those
[04-Nov-2009 15:56:34] <chemist> everything else is small
[04-Nov-2009 15:58:30] <Troubadix09> oh .. 11:00PM ... sleeptime
[04-Nov-2009 15:58:38] <Troubadix09> cu all later
[04-Nov-2009 15:59:11] <chemist> bye
[04-Nov-2009 16:06:54] <klinstifen> last question before i take off for the night
[04-Nov-2009 16:07:04] <rmatte> yup?
[04-Nov-2009 16:07:18] <klinstifen> when i do a device/ip search the results are returned after a lonnng time
[04-Nov-2009 16:07:23] <klinstifen> anyone else running into that issue?
[04-Nov-2009 16:07:33] <rmatte> nope, fairly quick
[04-Nov-2009 16:07:43] <rmatte> only takes like a second
[04-Nov-2009 16:08:01] <rmatte> how many devices?
[04-Nov-2009 16:08:33] <klinstifen> 39
[04-Nov-2009 16:09:00] <rmatte> lol, I just did a search on a server with 380 devices and it came back in a split second
[04-Nov-2009 16:09:38] <klinstifen> sigh
[04-Nov-2009 16:09:43] <klinstifen> still waiting...
[04-Nov-2009 16:10:30] <klinstifen> i installed another app that utilizes mysql
[04-Nov-2009 16:10:35] <klinstifen> i wonder if it mucked something up
[04-Nov-2009 16:10:48] <klinstifen> ah well will have to troubleshoot that tomorrow
[04-Nov-2009 16:10:54] <rmatte> well, when you're searching for devices it's not even touching MySQL
[04-Nov-2009 16:10:57] <rmatte> that's all done in Zope
[04-Nov-2009 16:10:58] * zenethian refrains from making snide comments about mysql
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:01] <rmatte> which you just compressed
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:03] <klinstifen> oh..right
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:07] <rmatte> maybe the compression is affecting it
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:23] <klinstifen> maybe
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:28] <rmatte> the only things stores in MySQL are the actual events
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:29] * zenethian rewinds the chat to figure out what you compressed
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:34] <rmatte> and MySQL is generally very responsive
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:42] <klinstifen> but for 39 devices a 24gb zope db seemed big
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:55] <klinstifen> zenethian: data.fs
[04-Nov-2009 16:12:04] <zenethian> ah ok
[04-Nov-2009 16:12:05] <rmatte> zenethian: he managed to compress his Data.fs file from 25GB to 33MB and still actively use it apparently
[04-Nov-2009 16:12:12] <rmatte> but I'm thinking that has to be super intensive
[04-Nov-2009 16:12:21] <rmatte> as it's probably decompressing it on the fly to access parts of it
[04-Nov-2009 16:12:53] <rmatte> klinstifen: it shouldn't be anywhere near 24GB
[04-Nov-2009 16:13:04] <klinstifen> rmatte: how big is your data.fs with 380 devices?
[04-Nov-2009 16:13:22] <klinstifen> yeah...well...it was
[04-Nov-2009 16:13:32] <rmatte> Here's my Data.fs on a server with 380 devices
[04-Nov-2009 16:13:33] <rmatte> -rw-r--r-- 1 zenoss zenoss 759M 2009-11-04 15:58 Data.fs
[04-Nov-2009 16:13:48] <rmatte> and that's a very active server
[04-Nov-2009 16:15:22] <klinstifen> well somehow mine grew quite large
[04-Nov-2009 16:15:30] <klinstifen> and packing was my only option
[04-Nov-2009 16:15:38] <klinstifen> as i ran out of space on my server
[04-Nov-2009 16:16:41] <klinstifen> grr
[04-Nov-2009 16:16:46] <klinstifen> ah well manana
[04-Nov-2009 16:16:48] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 16:16:53] <klinstifen> time to punch out
[04-Nov-2009 16:16:55] <klinstifen> later all
[04-Nov-2009 16:16:57] <rmatte> later
[04-Nov-2009 16:20:15] <rmatte> zenethian: started any dev work yet or still learning the lay of the land?
[04-Nov-2009 16:20:35] <zenethian> Yeah, working on some UI stuff. :)
[04-Nov-2009 16:20:55] <rmatte> cool
[04-Nov-2009 16:24:59] <__jd__> do any of you actually work out of the HQ? :P
[04-Nov-2009 16:25:19] <rmatte> actually most of the devs are at one of the 2 HQs
[04-Nov-2009 16:25:29] <rmatte> there are a couple remote
[04-Nov-2009 16:25:31] <zenethian> I work in the Austin office where the majority of the rest of the devs lurk.
[04-Nov-2009 16:25:43] <__jd__> ah.. didn't know there were 2 HQs :)
[04-Nov-2009 16:26:13] <zenethian> Annapolis is the official headquarters.
[04-Nov-2009 16:26:25] <zenethian> I believe. I dunno. That's all politics. :)
[04-Nov-2009 16:26:25] <__jd__> but hard to hire there? :)
[04-Nov-2009 16:26:46] <rmatte> they only recently had the need for more devs so they hired some
[04-Nov-2009 16:26:48] <rmatte> :P
[04-Nov-2009 16:27:11] <__jd__> there are so few tech jobs in annapolis, I think people don't even look.. :P
[04-Nov-2009 16:27:19] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 16:27:34] <rmatte> I like Ottawa, we're a very techy city
[04-Nov-2009 16:27:43] <__jd__> USi, Arinc, ZenOSS! And I suppose the maryland gov
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[04-Nov-2009 16:30:59] <rmatte> We want MOAR PONIES! http://images.ponyaday.com/2008W/2008-01-05-patchwork-ponies.jpg
[04-Nov-2009 16:39:37] <chemist> rmatte: you have too much time on your hands :)
[04-Nov-2009 16:41:31] <rmatte> :P
[04-Nov-2009 16:42:09] <rmatte> nah, just taking a break
[04-Nov-2009 16:42:13] <rmatte> and using it wisely as you can see
[04-Nov-2009 16:46:03] <zenethian> that was a very strange non-sequitur
[04-Nov-2009 16:46:54] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 16:47:31] <rmatte> it's actually a common feature request for Zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 16:47:40] <rmatte> ask Matt Ray next time you speak with him
[04-Nov-2009 16:48:05] <mrayzenoss> yeah, apparently there's a pony shortage in Ottawa
[04-Nov-2009 16:48:12] <rmatte> yup
[04-Nov-2009 16:48:36] <zenethian> I wonder if anyone uses Zenoss to monitor ponies.
[04-Nov-2009 16:48:39] <rmatte> I saw that you linked that image on your blog lol
[04-Nov-2009 16:49:42] <mrayzenoss> glad you enjoyed that
[04-Nov-2009 16:50:01] <chemist> we use it to monitr dogs
[04-Nov-2009 16:50:11] <chemist> or dog tracks in any case
[04-Nov-2009 16:50:36] <rmatte> cats are more redundant, when they fall they always land on their feet
[04-Nov-2009 16:50:59] <chemist> yeah, but our dogs are really fast
[04-Nov-2009 16:51:00] <mrayzenoss> chemist: like greyhound racing?
[04-Nov-2009 16:51:05] <chemist> yes
[04-Nov-2009 16:51:09] <rmatte> haha
[04-Nov-2009 16:52:02] <chemist> we provide a video director system and tote betting system to 40 odd tracks accross uk and ireland
[04-Nov-2009 16:52:08] <mrayzenoss> I've got a greyhound… he doesn't need much monitoring: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mray/69259368/
[04-Nov-2009 16:52:15] <adytum-bot> Title: IMG_0784 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com)
[04-Nov-2009 16:52:28] <rmatte> hehe
[04-Nov-2009 16:52:56] <rmatte> Loki, cool name
[04-Nov-2009 16:53:04] <rmatte> is the dog mischievious?
[04-Nov-2009 16:53:09] <chemist> god of mischiev
[04-Nov-2009 16:53:12] <mrayzenoss> mostly lazy
[04-Nov-2009 16:53:19] <mrayzenoss> his racing name: SP's Beerman
[04-Nov-2009 16:53:31] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 16:53:34] <chemist> my friend has named his son Loki
[04-Nov-2009 16:53:51] <chemist> I keep telling him he's asking for trouble
[04-Nov-2009 16:54:14] <chemist> mrayzenoss: where did he race?
[04-Nov-2009 16:54:21] <chemist> USA?
[04-Nov-2009 16:54:22] <mrayzenoss> Corpus Christi, Texas
[04-Nov-2009 16:54:24] <mrayzenoss> yeah
[04-Nov-2009 16:54:41] <mrayzenoss> http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=220388
[04-Nov-2009 16:54:48] <rmatte> oddly enough there's a piece of literature called "Intestinal dysfunction associated with acute thoracolumbar fractures." written by S P Beerman
[04-Nov-2009 16:54:52] <adytum-bot> Title: Pedigree of SP's Beerman (at www.greyhound-data.com)
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:17] <mrayzenoss> his race history: http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?l=220388&z=ZO7Xwj
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:28] <mrayzenoss> I love the comment in his last race… "Lacked effort"
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:28] <rmatte> cool
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:34] <rmatte> haha
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:34] <chemist> is greyhound racing a big thing in the US?
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:37] <adytum-bot> Title: Race results of SP's Beerman (at www.greyhound-data.com)
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:46] <mrayzenoss> it's decreasing in popularity
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:53] <rmatte> "Never Challenged"
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:57] <chemist> same as here
[04-Nov-2009 16:56:12] <mrayzenoss> but retired racers make great pets
[04-Nov-2009 16:56:26] <rmatte> hmmm, he did win a few first places
[04-Nov-2009 16:56:30] <chemist> yeah, been thinking of getting one myself
[04-Nov-2009 16:56:47] <chemist> we get a trade magazine, with a weird title
[04-Nov-2009 16:56:51] <rmatte> won first place in first race ever
[04-Nov-2009 16:57:01] <chemist> 'Retired greyhounds by post'
[04-Nov-2009 16:58:24] <chemist> anyway, the dogs have finished here, so I can go home
[04-Nov-2009 16:58:29] <chemist> bye
[04-Nov-2009 16:58:31] <mrayzenoss> later
[04-Nov-2009 16:59:49] <rmatte> crazy that they track the geneology of the dogs so closely
[04-Nov-2009 16:59:56] <rmatte> anyways, time for me to head out
[04-Nov-2009 16:59:58] <rmatte> ttyl
[04-Nov-2009 17:00:00] <mrayzenoss> later
[04-Nov-2009 17:27:30] <zenethian> You would think that in 2009 we wouldn't have netsplits.
[04-Nov-2009 18:21:53] <davetoo> *sigh*
[04-Nov-2009 18:22:28] <davetoo> Why do people send .jpg screencaps of network analysis tool results when they could export a .csv and mail it to me?
[04-Nov-2009 18:22:57] <one_2_one> hi all
[04-Nov-2009 18:23:57] <one_2_one> ive setup snmp, but zenoss is only getting info at localhost
[04-Nov-2009 18:24:27] <one_2_one> using the ip of the host... just pings
[04-Nov-2009 18:25:17] <one_2_one> my snmpd config http://pastebin.com/m6d0b9fd3
[04-Nov-2009 18:25:27] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
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[05-Nov-2009 05:55:12] <mnandres> Hello
[05-Nov-2009 05:59:47] <Troubadix09> hello
[05-Nov-2009 06:17:57] <mnandres> Troubadix09: can i ask one question?
[05-Nov-2009 06:43:29] <Troubadix09> mnandres: hmm ... yyes ;-)
[05-Nov-2009 06:44:10] <mnandres> jajaja, i have one server dell powervault 2950
[05-Nov-2009 06:44:28] <mnandres> and so is novellt netware 6.5
[05-Nov-2009 06:45:15] <mnandres> on zenpack i have one for dell and one for netware 6.5
[05-Nov-2009 06:46:14] <mnandres> can i put too templates
[05-Nov-2009 06:46:28] <mnandres> or i need to create two device
[05-Nov-2009 07:11:20] <Troubadix09> mnandres: I'm not an Novell-Expert, but i think, that it work on one IP so you create one device and bind the novell- and the dell-template to it
[05-Nov-2009 07:12:16] <Troubadix09> mnandres: but i think it is a PowerEdge 2950 with a Backup-Device powervault?!
[05-Nov-2009 07:39:46] <mnandres> Troubadix09: you have rigth
[05-Nov-2009 08:05:52] <mrayzenoss> yay, Jive finally fixed the multiple-code-blocks-on-old-forum-posts-not-getting-reposted bug
[05-Nov-2009 08:09:51] <Troubadix09> hello mrayzenoss, nice to hear it ;-)
[05-Nov-2009 08:12:33] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: I have now upgarde production-system to 2.5 and it works well, execpt low-priority issues in event-console. Well Done, great job.
[05-Nov-2009 08:12:46] <Troubadix09> upgarde=upgrade
[05-Nov-2009 08:14:53] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: is there a way, to customize the font-size of the events in the event-console
[05-Nov-2009 08:15:13] <mrayzenoss> Troubadix09: I just set the minimum-font-size in my browser
[05-Nov-2009 08:15:33] <mrayzenoss> here are the tickets currently targeted for 2.5.1: http://tr.im/trac_2_5_1
[05-Nov-2009 08:21:31] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: thanks, that works :)
[05-Nov-2009 08:23:38] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: what does "new" on the "Select"-Button in the event-console mean? When i use it, it marks some new and some old events. Some other new events didn't highlighted.
[05-Nov-2009 08:24:28] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: is it the same as "unacknowledged" in version before 2.5?
[05-Nov-2009 08:28:35] <mrayzenoss> hmm… I'm not sure how that's working
[05-Nov-2009 08:29:59] <mrayzenoss> I'm testing it on my install and getting mixed results
[05-Nov-2009 08:32:01] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: thanks
[05-Nov-2009 08:59:53] <klinstifen> mray: when i try to search for a device it takes forevvvver for the results to come back
[05-Nov-2009 08:59:57] <klinstifen> and i only have 39 devices
[05-Nov-2009 09:00:12] <klinstifen> do you know of any forum posts or tickets that address this?
[05-Nov-2009 09:01:08] <klinstifen> wait a second...
[05-Nov-2009 09:01:14] <klinstifen> may have just fixed the problem myself
[05-Nov-2009 09:01:18] <klinstifen> with a reindex()
[05-Nov-2009 09:01:28] * klinstifen does more searches
[05-Nov-2009 09:01:31] <rmatte> good morning
[05-Nov-2009 09:01:38] <klinstifen> hiya
[05-Nov-2009 09:01:58] <rmatte> klinstifen: the slow response time probably has to do with the fact that your Zope DB is in reality, 25GB
[05-Nov-2009 09:02:18] <rmatte> quite honestly, I'd almost say just backup, reinstall, and start from scratch non-compressed
[05-Nov-2009 09:02:29] <klinstifen> rmatte: that doesnt make sense to me
[05-Nov-2009 09:02:36] <klinstifen> i read some zope stuff today
[05-Nov-2009 09:02:47] <rmatte> the Zope DB on my 380 device server is less than 800MB
[05-Nov-2009 09:02:47] <klinstifen> and it is recommended to do packing frequently
[05-Nov-2009 09:02:53] <rmatte> so you obviously have some weird issue with yours
[05-Nov-2009 09:03:07] <klinstifen> i did a reindex and it has improved my search times
[05-Nov-2009 09:03:21] <rmatte> they are still probably a bit slow though
[05-Nov-2009 09:04:05] <klinstifen> reinstalling...ugh...i have a lot of customization...i can't even fathom how long it would take to come back from scratch
[05-Nov-2009 09:04:46] <klinstifen> no...search times are MUCH improved
[05-Nov-2009 09:04:52] <klinstifen> i will probably be able to live with this
[05-Nov-2009 09:05:08] <klinstifen> i don't think the packing really compresses stuff
[05-Nov-2009 09:05:15] <klinstifen> it sounds like it gets rid of old references
[05-Nov-2009 09:06:02] <klinstifen> i think it actually deletes outdated information
[05-Nov-2009 09:06:07] <klinstifen> http://www.freelance-developer.com/zope_packing
[05-Nov-2009 09:06:23] <adytum-bot> Title: Mark J. Nenadov - Zope Pointers: Database Packing (at www.freelance-developer.com)
[05-Nov-2009 09:08:27] <Troubadix09> good morning
[05-Nov-2009 09:08:36] <rmatte> good morning
[05-Nov-2009 09:08:52] <rmatte> ah
[05-Nov-2009 09:09:03] <rmatte> I thought it was some form of compression, but that would make sense
[05-Nov-2009 09:09:34] <klinstifen> yeah
[05-Nov-2009 09:09:45] <klinstifen> so i think the pack + the reindex = better
[05-Nov-2009 09:11:17] <mrayzenoss> poll.jspa?poll=1025
[05-Nov-2009 09:11:25] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Active Polls in Zenoss Community (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 09:12:57] <klinstifen> that'd be fun to be published
[05-Nov-2009 09:17:26] <klinstifen> didn't someone say yesterday that they had a ff issue displaying zenoss?
[05-Nov-2009 09:18:24] <rmatte> no, they were using some sort of custom broswer
[05-Nov-2009 09:18:27] <rmatte> browser*
[05-Nov-2009 09:18:43] <klinstifen> oh hmm ok
[05-Nov-2009 09:20:51] <rmatte> I could definitely help out with some of those missing sections
[05-Nov-2009 09:39:14] <NewBee> Trying to add a simple Threshold for disk space. i want an alert/event when the drive has 500MB letf.
[05-Nov-2009 09:39:45] <NewBee> So i when to /devices/server/templates/filesystem and made one
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:06] <rmatte> so you're trying to set a threshold for 500MB exact instead of a percentage?
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:18] <NewBee> yes
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:26] <rmatte> simple enough
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:29] <rmatte> what have you done so far?
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:33] <NewBee> here.totalBlocks - ( 800000000 / here.blockSize)
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:51] <rmatte> that should work
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:55] <NewBee> when to the template and try using that as the max VAL
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:58] <NewBee> :-\
[05-Nov-2009 09:41:05] <NewBee> thought you might say that.
[05-Nov-2009 09:41:25] <rmatte> where are you getting the 800000000 from though?
[05-Nov-2009 09:41:35] <NewBee> i see a line in my graph but i'm not getting an alert.
[05-Nov-2009 09:42:01] <rmatte> is the line where you'd imagine it should be?
[05-Nov-2009 09:42:11] <NewBee> making it bigger then the smallest drive free i haev
[05-Nov-2009 09:42:32] <NewBee> I'm just trying to make it send a event now.
[05-Nov-2009 09:42:44] <rmatte> are you just doing this on a single drive?
[05-Nov-2009 09:42:47] <rmatte> or on multiple devices?
[05-Nov-2009 09:43:16] <NewBee> I'm using it on a template
[05-Nov-2009 09:43:26] <NewBee> Filesystem template
[05-Nov-2009 09:43:29] <rmatte> right, but is it only for 1 drive
[05-Nov-2009 09:43:33] <rmatte> or for multiple?
[05-Nov-2009 09:43:37] <NewBee> one
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:02] <rmatte> ok, if you're only applying it to one then why wouldn't you just work out what percentage 500MB is of the total and change the percentage to that?
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:05] <NewBee> but I'm not sure what your asking
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:32] <rmatte> here.totalBlocks * 0.whatever
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:33] <NewBee> each system has different size drives
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:39] <rmatte> that's what I was asking
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:52] <rmatte> whether or not you were just using the template on one particular drive or on multiple
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:53] <NewBee> was thinking more then one drive per system.
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:53] <rmatte> and you said 1
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:54] <rmatte> :P
[05-Nov-2009 09:45:04] <rmatte> ok
[05-Nov-2009 09:45:25] <rmatte> try adding a 0 to 800000000 and see if it triggers then
[05-Nov-2009 09:46:02] <NewBee> is there a way to kick off the check? or do i need to sit for 5mins?
[05-Nov-2009 09:46:26] <rmatte> as the zenoss user: zenperfsnmp run -v10 --cycle
[05-Nov-2009 09:46:33] <rmatte> the -v10 is optional
[05-Nov-2009 09:46:40] <NewBee> ok
[05-Nov-2009 09:46:51] <rmatte> or just zenperfsnmp run -v10
[05-Nov-2009 09:47:05] <rmatte> the --cycle is to run through the same cycle as a daemon would, but in the foreground
[05-Nov-2009 09:48:11] <rmatte> if you use --cycle you'll have to ctrl-c out of it when you see that it's done
[05-Nov-2009 09:48:27] <NewBee> k
[05-Nov-2009 09:50:10] <NewBee> twisted.spread.jelly.InsecureJelly: Module Products.ZenModel.MinMaxThreshold not allowed
[05-Nov-2009 09:50:16] <NewBee> looks like I'm gettin an error
[05-Nov-2009 09:50:37] <rmatte> looks like
[05-Nov-2009 09:50:52] <rmatte> what version of Zenoss?
[05-Nov-2009 09:51:18] <NewBee> 2.4.2
[05-Nov-2009 09:51:43] <NewBee> (in type Products.ZenModel.MinMaxThreshold.MinMaxThresholdInstance
[05-Nov-2009 09:51:58] <rmatte> hmmm
[05-Nov-2009 09:52:53] <NewBee> humm what if that is bigger then the drive... let me run with the smaller number.
[05-Nov-2009 09:53:54] <rmatte> thread/9283;jsessionid=D73B89053BC67F6B5C0AFD5C8BAED881.node0
[05-Nov-2009 09:54:02] <rmatte> there's a post from a few months ago
[05-Nov-2009 09:54:06] <rmatte> similar issue
[05-Nov-2009 09:54:12] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - ZenCommand:Module... (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 09:54:33] <rmatte> I also found another post referencing your exact error and the person fixed it by reinstalling Zenoss lol (which is not very helpful)
[05-Nov-2009 09:56:07] <rmatte> message/38273
[05-Nov-2009 09:56:13] <rmatte> someone else having a similar issue with 2.4.2
[05-Nov-2009 09:56:14] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - New Predictive Threshold ZenPack (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 09:56:19] <rmatte> why don't you try upgrading to 2.4.5?
[05-Nov-2009 09:57:12] <NewBee> not what i had planefor today :-)
[05-Nov-2009 09:57:20] <rmatte> everyone getting the error seems to be running 2.4.2
[05-Nov-2009 09:57:29] <rmatte> upgrade to 2.4.5 takes like 10 minutes
[05-Nov-2009 09:57:30] <rmatte> :P
[05-Nov-2009 09:58:13] <rmatte> You upgrade to 2.4.5 then apply the patches as detailed here: docs/DOC-4434
[05-Nov-2009 09:58:16] <rmatte> then you're flying
[05-Nov-2009 09:58:20] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Post-2.4.5 Patches (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 09:58:33] <rmatte> and chances are it'll fix whatever problem you're having
[05-Nov-2009 09:59:09] <NewBee> realy. i guess my last upgrade was from 2.2 to 2.3 and it didn't go well. this was a clean 2.4.2 install.
[05-Nov-2009 09:59:18] <NewBee> I'll give it a shot.
[05-Nov-2009 09:59:41] <rmatte> I upgraded from 2.3.3 to 2.4.1 to 2.4.2 to 2.4.5 without issues
[05-Nov-2009 09:59:48] <rmatte> make sure you apply those 3 patches afterwards though
[05-Nov-2009 09:59:56] <rmatte> fixes a couple of bugs and adds a useful feature to zendmd
[05-Nov-2009 10:00:06] <NewBee> ok
[05-Nov-2009 10:00:13] <rmatte> I'm running 2.4.5 on all of my prod systems right now
[05-Nov-2009 10:00:20] <rmatte> waiting for 2.5 to get a bit better before upgrading
[05-Nov-2009 10:01:27] <NewBee> do you have a good page for upgradeing
[05-Nov-2009 10:01:49] <rmatte> well, how did you install?
[05-Nov-2009 10:01:52] <rmatte> stack installer?
[05-Nov-2009 10:01:59] <NewBee> rpm.
[05-Nov-2009 10:02:02] <rmatte> ah
[05-Nov-2009 10:02:06] <NewBee> centos
[05-Nov-2009 10:02:25] <rmatte> community/documentation/official_documentation/installation-guide
[05-Nov-2009 10:02:31] <rmatte> grab v2.4 of the install guide
[05-Nov-2009 10:02:42] <NewBee> ok
[05-Nov-2009 10:02:42] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: Zenoss Installation (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 10:02:45] <rmatte> I'll grab you a link to the 2.4.5 RPM, hold on
[05-Nov-2009 10:04:07] <rmatte> 64bit or 32?
[05-Nov-2009 10:05:54] <rmatte> 32bit: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/zenoss-2.4.5.el5.i386.rpm
[05-Nov-2009 10:06:00] <NewBee> 64
[05-Nov-2009 10:06:01] <rmatte> 64bit: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/zenoss-2.4.5.el5.x86_64.rpm
[05-Nov-2009 10:07:08] <NewBee> thanky you for your help
[05-Nov-2009 10:09:01] <rmatte> no problem
[05-Nov-2009 10:39:53] <rmatte> suddenly got pretty quiet in here lol
[05-Nov-2009 10:41:42] <cgibbons> crickets
[05-Nov-2009 10:42:46] <Troubadix09> waiting for constructive talks to listening to ;-)
[05-Nov-2009 10:45:51] <Troubadix09> worktime is over now, cu all l8er
[05-Nov-2009 10:46:50] <rmatte> later
[05-Nov-2009 10:47:09] <jrock2004> Its cause I logged in lol
[05-Nov-2009 10:47:40] <rmatte> lol
[05-Nov-2009 10:48:42] <jrock2004> So off topic here, my boss things an IT guy can be a part time position
[05-Nov-2009 10:49:00] <rmatte> depends on what he's doing
[05-Nov-2009 10:49:07] <rmatte> if he's fixing printers, then yes
[05-Nov-2009 10:49:09] <rmatte> otherwise, no
[05-Nov-2009 10:49:53] <mrayzenoss> I saw a job listing yesterday for 40 hours a week, work from home sysadmin. I was thinking some sysadmins could probably hold down 2 of those jobs
[05-Nov-2009 10:50:24] <rmatte> easily
[05-Nov-2009 10:50:26] <jrock2004> So he wants me to be an IT guy and a PHP developer
[05-Nov-2009 10:50:55] <rmatte> well, do you feel that you're busy enough with the IT portion of it as is?
[05-Nov-2009 10:51:31] <jrock2004> well according to zenoss I should never go home
[05-Nov-2009 10:51:37] <klinstifen> hahaha
[05-Nov-2009 10:51:53] <jrock2004> My cisco call managers and and voicemail have too many complaints
[05-Nov-2009 10:52:50] <jrock2004> I think php development should never touch an IT guy. Unless there is nothing for you to do
[05-Nov-2009 10:53:23] <rmatte> you should definitely have dedicated developers unless the development directly ties in to whatever product you are administering
[05-Nov-2009 10:53:40] <rmatte> I do development work in relation to Zenoss since I'm "The Zenoss guy"
[05-Nov-2009 10:53:57] <rmatte> and I do other development work here and there, but it's all related to the overall project that we're working on
[05-Nov-2009 10:54:43] <jrock2004> See I do mind coding every now and then to help our one man developer. But he wants me codes 60% of my days and doing IT work 40%
[05-Nov-2009 10:55:55] <rmatte> well, he's the boss so ultimately if he forces you to, you need to do it or find another employer
[05-Nov-2009 10:56:18] <rmatte> they are just trying to cut costs by overworking their current employees
[05-Nov-2009 10:56:28] <rmatte> it's the standard management style in private IT companies
[05-Nov-2009 10:57:48] <jrock2004> gotcha
[05-Nov-2009 10:58:37] <rmatte> I haven't worked for a single IT company where that wasn't the case.
[05-Nov-2009 10:58:53] <rmatte> You should meet with him and express your concerns anyways
[05-Nov-2009 10:58:58] <rmatte> maybe you'll change his mind
[05-Nov-2009 10:59:28] <jrock2004> Will do thanks
[05-Nov-2009 11:01:40] <rmatte> well, time to do some coding
[05-Nov-2009 11:02:01] <rmatte> this ticket daemon keeps getting more and more complex as I go along :P
[05-Nov-2009 11:06:50] <suprsonic> DistributionNotFound: ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource>=1.0
[05-Nov-2009 11:06:54] <suprsonic> when loading zenoss 2.5
[05-Nov-2009 11:06:58] <mdereus> rmatte: scope creep! :P
[05-Nov-2009 11:07:01] <suprsonic> common error?
[05-Nov-2009 11:07:44] <mrayzenoss> suprsonic: docs/DOC-3392
[05-Nov-2009 11:07:52] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - WMI Data Source (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 11:08:25] <mrayzenoss> sounds like you're trying to install a ZenPack that depends on the WMI Data Source… which breaks 2.5
[05-Nov-2009 11:08:49] <suprsonic> mrayzenoss I wasn't aware that I installed such a zenpack
[05-Nov-2009 11:09:43] <mrayzenoss> where did you see that?
[05-Nov-2009 11:09:55] <suprsonic> when loading zenoss from the commandline
[05-Nov-2009 11:09:58] <suprsonic> zenoss start
[05-Nov-2009 11:10:20] <mrayzenoss> new install or an upgrade?
[05-Nov-2009 11:10:34] <suprsonic> new
[05-Nov-2009 11:10:43] <mrayzenoss> but at some point you added some ZenPacks?
[05-Nov-2009 11:10:47] <rmatte> I don't see how he could get that from a brand new install
[05-Nov-2009 11:10:54] <rmatte> unless he actually installed zenpacks
[05-Nov-2009 11:11:00] <suprsonic> I installed two
[05-Nov-2009 11:11:04] <rmatte> which ones?
[05-Nov-2009 11:11:06] <suprsonic> Squid and Powerware
[05-Nov-2009 11:11:35] <mrayzenoss> neither of those use WMI Data Source… wtf?
[05-Nov-2009 11:11:53] <suprsonic> oh hold up
[05-Nov-2009 11:11:58] <suprsonic> WindowsTerminal also
[05-Nov-2009 11:12:10] <suprsonic> fail
[05-Nov-2009 11:12:14] <rmatte> epic
[05-Nov-2009 11:12:16] <rmatte> fail
[05-Nov-2009 11:12:40] <suprsonic> which it didn't let me install anyhow
[05-Nov-2009 11:12:52] <suprsonic> apparently enough installed to fork my install?
[05-Nov-2009 11:13:10] <mrayzenoss> it seems you should be able to zenpack —remove it
[05-Nov-2009 11:13:34] <suprsonic> nothing is in my list other than Squid
[05-Nov-2009 11:14:07] <rmatte> is anyone here good at python arrays?
[05-Nov-2009 11:14:09] <suprsonic> http://pastebin.com/d5156ef4a
[05-Nov-2009 11:14:21] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[05-Nov-2009 11:14:52] <mrayzenoss> yuck, the Squid one is a .zip ZenPack
[05-Nov-2009 11:14:53] <rmatte> suprsonic: check your $ZENHOME/ZenPacks folder
[05-Nov-2009 11:15:03] <rmatte> if there's a ZenPack folder for that ZenPack in there, remove it
[05-Nov-2009 11:15:28] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: .zips works fine in 2.5, the author and version info just isn't shown on the ZenPacks screen
[05-Nov-2009 11:16:10] <mrayzenoss> I just meant yuck, they installed into Products/ instead of ZenPacks/
[05-Nov-2009 11:16:16] <rmatte> oh, yeh
[05-Nov-2009 11:17:28] <mrayzenoss> Egor sent me a 1.5 version of his WMI Data Source that works with 2.4.5 and 2.5, I need to get it built and checked in
[05-Nov-2009 11:17:51] <suprsonic> sweet
[05-Nov-2009 11:17:55] <rmatte> cool
[05-Nov-2009 11:18:06] <suprsonic> ZenPacks.community.WMIPerf_TerminalServer-1.0-py2.4.egg
[05-Nov-2009 11:18:07] <suprsonic> easy-install.pth
[05-Nov-2009 11:18:09] <suprsonic> both?
[05-Nov-2009 11:20:33] <RoundQube> hi all
[05-Nov-2009 11:21:24] <suprsonic> tht did it
[05-Nov-2009 11:21:30] <suprsonic> deleted the ZenPacks.comm*
[05-Nov-2009 11:21:38] <suprsonic> whats easy-install.pth used for?
[05-Nov-2009 11:35:16] <suprsonic> Products old school location for Zenpacks?
[05-Nov-2009 11:37:18] <l2huynh> Hi everyone, is it possible to migrate just the device tree and configuration to the new server?
[05-Nov-2009 11:37:22] <kobalt_> nick kobalt
[05-Nov-2009 11:37:26] <kobalt_> lol
[05-Nov-2009 11:37:34] kobalt_ is now known as kobalt
[05-Nov-2009 11:38:15] <mrayzenoss> suprsonic: yes, the deprecated .zip ZenPacks dumped their content in with the rest of the application
[05-Nov-2009 11:39:06] <mrayzenoss> l2huynh: I think (and you'll want to test this), you could just copy over your Data.fs to the new box and get that
[05-Nov-2009 11:39:31] <l2huynh> thanks matt
[05-Nov-2009 11:39:32] <mrayzenoss> l2huynh: shut everything down
[05-Nov-2009 11:39:38] <mrayzenoss> l2huynh: copy over the Data.fs
[05-Nov-2009 11:39:46] <mrayzenoss> l2huynh: do a 'zenoss start'
[05-Nov-2009 11:40:04] <mrayzenoss> you'll have to have any ZenPacks already in place
[05-Nov-2009 11:40:17] <l2huynh> The reason I want to do that is that I'm having trouble migrating from vm 2.45 to a native 2.5
[05-Nov-2009 11:40:28] <RoundQube> once i have the HP monitor zenpack installed and want to it to monitor fans, cpu temp etc... how do I initiate this process?
[05-Nov-2009 11:41:25] <l2huynh> matt, is the settings in zProperties contained in the Data.fs file?
[05-Nov-2009 11:42:07] <mrayzenoss> yes
[05-Nov-2009 11:43:13] <klinstifen> RoundQube: bind the templates to an HP device
[05-Nov-2009 11:43:16] <l2huynh> oh, ok, I'll give that a try, thanks matt
[05-Nov-2009 11:52:28] <RoundQube> klinstifen how do i do that?
[05-Nov-2009 11:52:53] <klinstifen> have you added an HP device to zenoss?
[05-Nov-2009 11:53:07] <RoundQube> klinstifen yup, all of our servers are some type of HP Proliant
[05-Nov-2009 11:53:38] <klinstifen> there are two ways
[05-Nov-2009 11:53:50] <klinstifen> you can bind the template to each server individually
[05-Nov-2009 11:54:08] <klinstifen> or you can bind it to their parent device
[05-Nov-2009 11:54:10] <RoundQube> each server is diff type of proliant, some are 360's or 360's and G3's/G4's
[05-Nov-2009 11:54:16] <klinstifen> ok
[05-Nov-2009 11:54:20] <klinstifen> well then we'll just do one first
[05-Nov-2009 11:54:26] <klinstifen> go to one of the servers status screen
[05-Nov-2009 11:54:48] <RoundQube> there
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:04] <klinstifen> click the drop down arrow next to Status
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:09] <klinstifen> and choose More - Templates
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:11] <RoundQube> there
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:31] <klinstifen> then click the drop down arrow next to "Performance Templates..."
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:33] <klinstifen> and choose Bind
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:48] <klinstifen> ctrl-click on each of the templates you want
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:52] <RoundQube> sweet
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:58] <klinstifen> leave the ones that are already highlighted
[05-Nov-2009 11:56:03] <rmatte> hmmmm, python dictionaries aren't working the way I expected
[05-Nov-2009 11:56:13] <klinstifen> click ok
[05-Nov-2009 11:56:28] <klinstifen> and wait a few mins and then you should see stuff in the graphs under the Perf tab
[05-Nov-2009 11:56:30] <rmatte> I'm trying events[e.evid] = e.count
[05-Nov-2009 11:56:37] <rmatte> but it says events is not defined
[05-Nov-2009 11:56:48] * rmatte doesn't know what he's missing
[05-Nov-2009 11:57:35] <klinstifen> rmatte: is it evt instead of events?
[05-Nov-2009 11:57:53] <rmatte> no, events is the name of the dictionary
[05-Nov-2009 11:57:59] <klinstifen> oh
[05-Nov-2009 11:58:11] <rmatte> and it's e.evid because I'm using for e in dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventList([], "", "lastTime ASC, firstTime ASC"):
[05-Nov-2009 11:58:40] <klinstifen> oh ok gotcha
[05-Nov-2009 11:59:11] <rmatte> aha got it
[05-Nov-2009 11:59:18] <rmatte> needed to do: events = {} before that
[05-Nov-2009 11:59:50] <rmatte> sweet, dictionaries rule, this is going to make things so much easier
[05-Nov-2009 12:00:05] <rmatte> thought I was going to have to screw around with arrays or something
[05-Nov-2009 12:04:48] <jrock2004> If I had a wish for zenoss it would be that adding threshold would be a easier to do
[05-Nov-2009 12:05:21] <rmatte> thresholds are generally fairly simple
[05-Nov-2009 12:05:37] <rmatte> configure thresholds for Nagios and then complain about Zenoss :)
[05-Nov-2009 12:05:44] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: that's one of the less ambitious wishlist items I've heard :)
[05-Nov-2009 12:05:49] <rmatte> but I agree, it could be improved
[05-Nov-2009 12:06:18] <jrock2004> Well setting the warning and critical levels for things are not that easy
[05-Nov-2009 12:06:19] <rmatte> yeh, I'm still waiting for moar ponies, but apparently it's been bumped down to the bottom of the list for whatever reason
[05-Nov-2009 12:06:22] * rmatte huffs
[05-Nov-2009 12:06:35] <mrayzenoss> it's supposed to get some love with the Stone Crab release I believe
[05-Nov-2009 12:06:37] <jrock2004> with nagios they are not that hard
[05-Nov-2009 12:06:59] <rmatte> how is it difficult? it's a dropdown :P
[05-Nov-2009 12:07:15] <jrock2004> maybe I am using the wrong term here
[05-Nov-2009 12:07:20] <jrock2004> let me explain this
[05-Nov-2009 12:07:22] <rmatte> ok, so I had a meeting with my group and we've figured out a new way to do the ticket create daemon...
[05-Nov-2009 12:08:14] <rmatte> I'm going to acknowledge the events instead of moving them to history, and I'm also going to store them in a dictionary and have the script watch for incrementing event counts. When a ticket is closed the ticketing system will automatically send an xml-rpc call to Zenoss to move the event to history.
[05-Nov-2009 12:08:31] <rmatte> should work nicely
[05-Nov-2009 12:10:28] <jrock2004> ok so I go into /Devices/Templates/OSProcess and there is Thresholds. In there if I wanted to add a threshold that told me when my memory was down to 5% available, there is no easy way to add this
[05-Nov-2009 12:11:01] <jrock2004> I get the add threshold. I call it memory or something like that
[05-Nov-2009 12:11:37] <rmatte> ummmm, why on earth would you apply a memory threshold to an individual process?
[05-Nov-2009 12:11:42] <jrock2004> I think it just might be me. I am hoping that the training tomorrow will clear these things up
[05-Nov-2009 12:11:43] <rmatte> that doesn't even make sense
[05-Nov-2009 12:12:06] <rmatte> just in case that particular process eats up 95% of the total memory on the entire system?
[05-Nov-2009 12:12:07] <jrock2004> I would want to see when the box is out of memory
[05-Nov-2009 12:12:16] <rmatte> then you're in to totally wrong spot
[05-Nov-2009 12:12:16] <rmatte> lol
[05-Nov-2009 12:12:27] <rmatte> OSProcess template is for processes being monitored via SNMP
[05-Nov-2009 12:12:37] <rmatte> and it monitors the cpu and memory utilization for each process
[05-Nov-2009 12:12:55] <rmatte> first off, what kind of box?
[05-Nov-2009 12:13:33] <jrock2004> I have many types
[05-Nov-2009 12:13:43] <rmatte> OS I mean
[05-Nov-2009 12:13:46] <jrock2004> I was using memory as a an example
[05-Nov-2009 12:13:49] <jrock2004> Linux
[05-Nov-2009 12:13:55] <jrock2004> ubuntu
[05-Nov-2009 12:13:57] <jrock2004> mostly
[05-Nov-2009 12:14:59] <jrock2004> See I have 2 LTSP servers that I really need to monitor the amount of processes running
[05-Nov-2009 12:15:08] <rmatte> so you'd go to /Devices/Server/Linux/Templates/Device
[05-Nov-2009 12:15:34] <rmatte> then you'd add a threshold against memAvailReal
[05-Nov-2009 12:16:18] <rmatte> and you'd do here.totalMemory * 0.05
[05-Nov-2009 12:16:39] <rmatte> actually sorry
[05-Nov-2009 12:16:44] <rmatte> * 0.95
[05-Nov-2009 12:16:49] <rmatte> since you want 95% threshold
[05-Nov-2009 12:17:20] <rmatte> that way if memAvailReal hits 95% of the total physical memory on the box it'll kick off the threshold
[05-Nov-2009 12:19:23] <RoundQube> I'm getting the following error after enabling the HP monitor: User-supplied Python expression (here.threshold) for maximum value caused error: ['TemperatureCelsius_temperature_celsius']. I went to the template and see the here.threshold but not sure what to change it to.
[05-Nov-2009 12:19:58] <rmatte> hmmm, here.totalMemory might not be the value for that collector, which is weird, going to double-check
[05-Nov-2009 12:21:08] <jrock2004> rmatte: I would think it would be nicer but not needed if you click the datapoint you want. Then for the min value just have .95 I think the confusing part of the whole thing is what to put in the min and max value boxes
[05-Nov-2009 12:21:44] <rmatte> jrock2004: it is built for flexibility
[05-Nov-2009 12:21:56] <rmatte> jrock2004: what if you didn't have a here.totalMemory value to apply it against?
[05-Nov-2009 12:22:03] <jrock2004> rmatte: I understand. I realize I am still new to this
[05-Nov-2009 12:22:06] <rmatte> how is Zenoss supposed to know the difference between that threshold and any other?
[05-Nov-2009 12:22:44] <rmatte> Zenoss doesn't know the difference between a memory threshold and a CPU threshold, they are exactly the same but just work with different values
[05-Nov-2009 12:23:37] <jrock2004> so if the data point memAvailReal_memAvailReal is not mapped to the memory of the box?
[05-Nov-2009 12:23:49] <rmatte> and sorry, I had it wrong
[05-Nov-2009 12:23:51] <rmatte> it's...
[05-Nov-2009 12:23:56] <rmatte> here.hw.totalMemory * 0.95
[05-Nov-2009 12:23:59] <rmatte> that's what you want
[05-Nov-2009 12:24:09] <rmatte> applied against memAvailReal
[05-Nov-2009 12:24:35] <rmatte> jrock2004: you're implying that Zenoss is supposed to somehow intelligently know what an OID represents?
[05-Nov-2009 12:24:38] <rmatte> that's impossible
[05-Nov-2009 12:25:00] <rmatte> I don't know how much you know about SNMP, but that is unrealistic, if it's not correctly mapped to the memory of the box then it's user error
[05-Nov-2009 12:25:23] <jrock2004> I am just asking for better knowledge. /me not expert in SNMP
[05-Nov-2009 12:25:50] <rmatte> ok, an SNMP tree is basically a bunch of OID value which are numbers like 278.23.232.231.578.0.3.123
[05-Nov-2009 12:25:53] <rmatte> or whatever
[05-Nov-2009 12:25:57] <rmatte> each number represents a value
[05-Nov-2009 12:26:01] <jrock2004> ok so where did you get hw.totalMemory from? A doc or is that knowledge I would know if I am a snmp genious?
[05-Nov-2009 12:26:13] <jrock2004> like in LDAP oid?
[05-Nov-2009 12:26:16] <rmatte> there are Mibs which translate those numbers to be human readable to some degree so that you can figure out what value you need
[05-Nov-2009 12:26:26] <rmatte> once you know the OID you input it in to Zenoss as a datasource
[05-Nov-2009 12:26:33] <rmatte> then you create thresholds and graphs against it
[05-Nov-2009 12:26:50] <rmatte> the here.hw.totalMemory is collected by a collector plugin
[05-Nov-2009 12:27:11] <jrock2004> is there a list in a doc with those?
[05-Nov-2009 12:27:34] <rmatte> go to a device page and select More -> Collector Plugins to see a list of them
[05-Nov-2009 12:27:59] <rmatte> the Zenoss Developer's guide covers Collector Plugins in detail (including how to write one)
[05-Nov-2009 12:28:06] <rmatte> the Zenoss Admin guide makes mention of the here. values
[05-Nov-2009 12:28:30] <rmatte> There's no 100% accurate list of all collector plugins since many are written by community members and included in ZenPacks
[05-Nov-2009 12:28:50] <rmatte> the stock collector plugins are documented well enough in the admin guide and dev guide
[05-Nov-2009 12:29:03] <jrock2004> rmatte: ok I will look into those
[05-Nov-2009 12:29:46] <rmatte> It'll probably take you about 6 months of work with Zenoss before you get comfortable with it
[05-Nov-2009 12:29:52] <jrock2004> it is probably a good idea to read up on snmp works. That should help me also
[05-Nov-2009 12:30:17] <rmatte> yeh, are you familliar with the "snmpwalk" command?
[05-Nov-2009 12:30:36] <rmatte> just using that command can give you some insight in to how the data is presented by snmp agents
[05-Nov-2009 12:31:39] <jrock2004> I have heard of that command but have not really used it
[05-Nov-2009 12:31:56] <rmatte> get to know it because you'll be using it a lot
[05-Nov-2009 12:32:24] <jrock2004> well hopefully tomorrow zenoss training will go over that
[05-Nov-2009 12:32:31] <jrock2004> if not I will look it up
[05-Nov-2009 12:34:22] <rmatte> http://www.dpstele.com/layers/l2/snmp_l2_tut_part1.php
[05-Nov-2009 12:34:41] <adytum-bot> Title: SNMP Tutorial Part 1: An Introduction to SNMP (at www.dpstele.com)
[05-Nov-2009 12:35:07] <mrayzenoss> yeah, the training tomorrow should help, but I think it's worthwhile understanding SNMP
[05-Nov-2009 12:35:35] <rmatte> If you want a good read regarding SNMP pick up "Essential SNMP"
[05-Nov-2009 12:35:39] <jrock2004> snmpwalk -Os -c public -v 1 ipaddress and it gave me tons of data. wow
[05-Nov-2009 12:35:50] <rmatte> yup
[05-Nov-2009 12:36:10] <rmatte> you can walk specific parts of the tree too
[05-Nov-2009 12:36:15] <jrock2004> checking safari books for that title
[05-Nov-2009 12:36:17] <rmatte> like if you just want system datapoints you'd do...
[05-Nov-2009 12:36:27] <rmatte> snmpwalk -v1 -c public ipaddress system
[05-Nov-2009 12:36:43] <mrayzenoss> yeah, it's an O'Reilly book
[05-Nov-2009 12:37:06] <rmatte> If you wanted CPU processor load you'd do...
[05-Nov-2009 12:37:07] <mrayzenoss> looks like it really keeps its resale value: http://www.amazon.com/Essential-SNMP-Second-Douglas-Mauro/dp/0596008406/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257446166&sr=8-1
[05-Nov-2009 12:37:13] <rmatte> snmpwalk -v1 -c public ipaddress hrProcessorLoad
[05-Nov-2009 12:39:25] <jrock2004> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrProcessorLoad.1 = INTEGER: 4
[05-Nov-2009 12:41:46] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: I use to buy a lot of books but eventually they become dust holders. Safari books online is an awesome subscription to computer books
[05-Nov-2009 12:42:05] <mrayzenoss> yeah, I like a PDF and a hardcopy
[05-Nov-2009 12:42:13] <mrayzenoss> PDF for search, hard copy for holding
[05-Nov-2009 12:42:32] <rmatte> jrock2004: yeh, so CPU1 is at 4% utilization, is what that snmp output is telling you
[05-Nov-2009 12:42:32] <jrock2004> I like the tree killers on reference books of stuff that hardly changes
[05-Nov-2009 12:42:41] <mrayzenoss> I keep looking at Kindles and the like, but I don't see what I want yet. The Barnes & Noble reader looks promising
[05-Nov-2009 12:43:11] <jrock2004> I would rather get an ipod touch or iphone than the kindle
[05-Nov-2009 12:43:18] <jrock2004> kindles have no backlight
[05-Nov-2009 12:44:36] <rmatte> that's the idea though, supposed to be easier on the eyes when reading
[05-Nov-2009 12:44:41] <rmatte> it's supposed to be like reading off paper
[05-Nov-2009 12:45:06] * jrock2004 nods
[05-Nov-2009 13:03:39] <cgibbons> i use the kindle app on the iphone & the actual kindle... would much, much rather read on the kindle itself
[05-Nov-2009 13:06:54] <rmatte> yeh, I've seen sony's device similar to the kindle and it's really nice to read on
[05-Nov-2009 13:07:43] <rmatte> haha, the python channel is hillarious
[05-Nov-2009 13:07:44] <rmatte> [02:04pm] <flipflop_> wooooOOoo
[05-Nov-2009 13:07:45] <rmatte> [02:04pm] <eggy_> Could you stop saying that
[05-Nov-2009 13:08:04] <rmatte> that's like the seventh time that guy said "wooooOOoo" since I'd been in there
[05-Nov-2009 13:09:21] <jrock2004> see to me te kindle is to big to be portable
[05-Nov-2009 13:10:00] <rmatte> it's portable enough
[05-Nov-2009 13:10:08] <rmatte> plus, reading on a tiny little screen is a pain
[05-Nov-2009 13:10:22] <rmatte> I've tried reading books on my iphone and I can't really do it for more than 15 mins
[05-Nov-2009 13:10:47] <klinstifen> jrock: i have used the kindle2
[05-Nov-2009 13:10:50] <klinstifen> it's super nice
[05-Nov-2009 13:10:52] <klinstifen> and small
[05-Nov-2009 13:10:59] <klinstifen> and VERY light
[05-Nov-2009 13:11:05] <klinstifen> jsut doesn't fold : )
[05-Nov-2009 13:11:29] <klinstifen> i never worry about squishing a book, but can't do that with tech
[05-Nov-2009 13:13:36] <jrock2004> ah
[05-Nov-2009 13:16:22] <RoundQube> each time i add a new template for montoring (via new zenpack or already core zenpack), do i need to remodel the device?
[05-Nov-2009 13:16:36] <jrock2004> does zenoss have the ability to monitor network bandwidth and tell you what machine is using it up?
[05-Nov-2009 13:20:54] <rmatte> sweet, got this dictionary code working perfectly...
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:02] <rmatte> event count increased for aa880d27-ce61-4484-8255-6b9e28f9e11e, event count is now 314
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:02] <rmatte> event count increased for a32863a0-06d1-4b0e-9d6c-41a22fd45bf4, event count is now 314
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:02] <rmatte> event count increased for 04b331aa-bf53-42fe-979f-b4332a737252, event count is now 314
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:02] <rmatte> event count increased for 180c2841-74ec-40bf-96dd-058c57a3004f, event count is now 7
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:02] <rmatte> event count increased for 69b78c82-93e8-42cb-ab2d-adf1195db6e8, event count is now 275
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:03] <rmatte> event count increased for e953d3fa-9d09-4f0f-9462-78e0cea5f925, event count is now 15200
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:05] <rmatte> event count increased for e953d3fa-9d09-4f0f-9462-78e0cea5f925, event count is now 15201
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:07] <rmatte> event count increased for 986afb66-12c9-4fda-a311-5326bb60ead7, event count is now 314
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:09] <rmatte> made a test script that does that
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:29] <rmatte> watches the queue and alerts for increases in event counts
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:54] <rmatte> now I just need to integrate it with my script
[05-Nov-2009 13:34:21] <NewBee> rmatte: I've upgraded to 2.4.5. not getting error when i use zenpersnmp -v10 . but I'm also not getting the event/alert
[05-Nov-2009 13:35:53] <NewBee> I'm using usedBlocks_usedBlocks not BlocksUsed_BlocksUsed is that right?
[05-Nov-2009 13:37:50] <klinstifen> jrock2004: i would recommend ntop for that
[05-Nov-2009 13:38:32] <jrock2004> klinstifen: so ntop do the whole network or just one workstation?
[05-Nov-2009 13:39:48] <klinstifen> depends
[05-Nov-2009 13:40:00] <klinstifen> i have port monitoring set up on my switch
[05-Nov-2009 13:40:16] <klinstifen> and i monitor the port that connects to the lan port on my router
[05-Nov-2009 13:40:26] <klinstifen> so i see all traffic leaving/entering the company
[05-Nov-2009 13:40:44] <klinstifen> sry...i have port mirroring setup on that port
[05-Nov-2009 13:40:52] <klinstifen> and then the monitor port is hooked up to my ntop box
[05-Nov-2009 13:41:11] <klinstifen> ntop then breaks down all that traffic and shows which ip is using what bandwidth
[05-Nov-2009 13:41:23] <RoundQube> anyone have expereicen with insight managers for HP Proliant servers running Linux? I loaded the zenpacks to monitor my HP servers but nothing shows up because apparently I need an SNMP agent running on the server
[05-Nov-2009 13:41:59] <klinstifen> RoundQube: that agent can be enabled through Add/Remove Programs
[05-Nov-2009 13:42:03] <klinstifen> its a Windows component
[05-Nov-2009 13:42:18] <RoundQube> im running Linux
[05-Nov-2009 13:42:27] <klinstifen> ah...hehe
[05-Nov-2009 13:42:47] <klinstifen> err well you can still install the snmp agent...if you haven't already
[05-Nov-2009 13:43:43] <RoundQube> i installed net-smmp but my graphs are not populating after half-hour
[05-Nov-2009 13:43:59] <RoundQube> i installed the zenpacks (hp monitor, def hp mon enabled and also adv devices zenpack)
[05-Nov-2009 13:44:08] <RoundQube> did the bind but graphs are empty
[05-Nov-2009 13:44:23] <RoundQube> and some are not even showing empty graphs, rather just the small template with < > arrows
[05-Nov-2009 13:44:26] <rmatte> NewBee: hmmm
[05-Nov-2009 13:44:42] <rmatte> NewBee: what's the threshold max value set at?
[05-Nov-2009 13:44:54] <rmatte> and it should be usedBlocks, yeh
[05-Nov-2009 13:45:00] <NewBee> here.totalBlocks - (600000000 / here.blockSize)
[05-Nov-2009 13:45:33] <rmatte> so you're dividing the blocks by the block size and then subtracting it from totalblocks
[05-Nov-2009 13:46:01] <klinstifen> RoundQube: can you snmpget the OID's that are referenced in the Template?
[05-Nov-2009 13:46:04] <rmatte> do you see the threshold line on your graph?
[05-Nov-2009 13:46:07] <klinstifen> from the zenoss box?
[05-Nov-2009 13:46:09] <rmatte> is it low enough to kick off/
[05-Nov-2009 13:46:26] <RoundQube> klinstifen not sure what command that is but i can google for it
[05-Nov-2009 13:46:44] <rmatte> NewBee: if it's set right the threshold line should show up below the current usage line
[05-Nov-2009 13:46:57] <klinstifen> RoundQube: from your device's status screen
[05-Nov-2009 13:47:07] <klinstifen> click the drop down next too status and choose
[05-Nov-2009 13:47:17] <klinstifen> Run Commands -> snmpwalk
[05-Nov-2009 13:47:21] <klinstifen> does it return anything?
[05-Nov-2009 13:47:33] <RoundQube> klinstifen lots
[05-Nov-2009 13:47:53] <RoundQube> http://pastebin.com/m3caa269c
[05-Nov-2009 13:48:04] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[05-Nov-2009 13:51:06] <NewBee> yes i see the line on my grapph
[05-Nov-2009 13:51:23] <NewBee> and i made a new one jsut to see if the new ver changed something
[05-Nov-2009 13:51:48] <NewBee> and yes it's below the graph data
[05-Nov-2009 13:55:24] <klinstifen> RoundQube: you could try running this from your zenoss box cl
[05-Nov-2009 13:55:37] <klinstifen> zencommand run -v10 -d hpdevice.name
[05-Nov-2009 13:55:48] <klinstifen> where hpdevice.name is the name of your hp box as shown in zenoss
[05-Nov-2009 13:55:59] <klinstifen> that might show some errors...
[05-Nov-2009 13:58:03] <RoundQube> no errors
[05-Nov-2009 14:00:36] <klinstifen> i think one of my servers is hp prolian
[05-Nov-2009 14:00:39] <klinstifen> *proliant
[05-Nov-2009 14:00:50] <klinstifen> i will dl zenpack and try it out in a few
[05-Nov-2009 14:00:55] <RoundQube> thanks man
[05-Nov-2009 14:01:05] <rmatte> weird
[05-Nov-2009 14:01:06] <RoundQube> im trying it on my windows proliant servers as well
[05-Nov-2009 14:01:18] <RoundQube> since they have the hp system insight agent installed
[05-Nov-2009 14:01:24] <rmatte> I tried to use dmd.ZenEventManager.manager_ackEvents and got TypeError: ('Could not adapt', <MySqlEventManager at /zport/dmd/ZenEventManager>, <InterfaceClass Products.ZenWidgets.interfaces.IMessageSender>)
[05-Nov-2009 14:01:28] <RoundQube> not sure if these are critical to the use of these zenpacks
[05-Nov-2009 14:01:34] <rmatte> manage_ rather
[05-Nov-2009 14:02:43] <NewBee> So just my max to 3,600,000 the nubmer of used blocks is 3.8M. the line shows up under the graph. but nothing in the events
[05-Nov-2009 14:02:46] <rmatte> weird, it actually acknowledged it too
[05-Nov-2009 14:02:52] <rmatte> what the heck is it complaining about then
[05-Nov-2009 14:03:22] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/m71b23d77
[05-Nov-2009 14:03:32] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[05-Nov-2009 14:03:37] <rmatte> NewBee: the threshold is actually enabled right
[05-Nov-2009 14:03:38] <rmatte> ?
[05-Nov-2009 14:06:19] <rmatte> so my script is doing what it should be doing but failing for some reason because of a zenoss function not working correctly
[05-Nov-2009 14:06:20] <rmatte> hmmm
[05-Nov-2009 14:07:54] <rmatte> in zendmd I get this: http://pastebin.com/m4a5d3da7
[05-Nov-2009 14:07:58] <rmatte> when I try to acknowledge an event
[05-Nov-2009 14:08:03] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[05-Nov-2009 14:08:14] <NewBee> enable is set to true
[05-Nov-2009 14:09:31] <NewBee> can you only have one Thresholds?
[05-Nov-2009 14:09:59] <NewBee> one enabled?
[05-Nov-2009 14:11:23] <rmatte> hey Matt?
[05-Nov-2009 14:12:41] <rmatte> Matt?
[05-Nov-2009 14:12:52] <mrayzenoss1> yes
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:08] <rmatte> I'm really stumped on this one... wondering if you've seen this before...
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:10] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/m71b23d77
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:20] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:29] <rmatte> I do dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_ackEvents(evid)
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:36] <rmatte> where evid is an actual event ID
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:40] <rmatte> and it spits out that error
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:54] <rmatte> Then I try it from zendmd and get this: http://pastebin.com/m4a5d3da7
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:58] <rmatte> seems like a possible bug?
[05-Nov-2009 14:14:03] <rmatte> or am I missing something here?
[05-Nov-2009 14:14:04] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[05-Nov-2009 14:14:33] <rmatte> and it did actually acknowledge the event when I ran the script, that's the other thing
[05-Nov-2009 14:14:43] <rmatte> it acknowledged it fine, but it crashed my script because of that error
[05-Nov-2009 14:16:24] <NewBee> so it is now working with just the number of blocks. BUT the problem is that i will not stay enabled when i place the formula. i guess there is an error in it.
[05-Nov-2009 14:18:11] <rmatte> sounds like
[05-Nov-2009 14:19:24] <mrayzenoss1> rmatte: I don't have any insight, I'd probably look at the code where it's complaining and see if I can discern what it was expecting
[05-Nov-2009 14:19:34] <NewBee> do you see a problem with this? here.totalBlocks - (400000000 / here.blockSize)
[05-Nov-2009 14:20:04] <mrayzenoss1> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/branches/zenoss-2.4.x/Products/ZenEvents/EventManagerBase.py
[05-Nov-2009 14:24:15] <rmatte> I've looked through a bit, can't make sense of what it's complaining about, I found a forum post of someone stating that they got the same problem right after upgrading to 2.4.x but that it worked fine in 2.3
[05-Nov-2009 14:28:53] <rmatte> this totally blows since this is really all I need to finish this script
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:00] <rmatte> except TypeError:
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:00] <rmatte> # We got a TypeError. It might be an error raised by
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:00] <rmatte> # the __conform__ implementation, or *we* may have
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:00] <rmatte> # made the TypeError by calling an unbound method
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:00] <rmatte> # (object is a class). In the later case, we behave
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:00] <rmatte> # as though there is no __conform__ method. We can
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:02] <rmatte> # detect this case by checking whether there is more
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:04] <rmatte> # than one traceback object in the traceback chain
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:12] <rmatte> that comment seems to relate to what's happening
[05-Nov-2009 14:31:09] <rmatte> raise TypeError("Could not adapt", obj, self)
[05-Nov-2009 14:31:16] <rmatte> that's the line which generates the error I'm seeing
[05-Nov-2009 14:31:30] <rmatte> in /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/lib/python/zope/interface/interface.py
[05-Nov-2009 14:36:14] <cgibbons> extinction will shortly follow
[05-Nov-2009 14:40:21] <chemist> any idea why the zenoss server time on the GUI keeps 'loosing time' ?
[05-Nov-2009 14:43:09] <rmatte> There, made a post about it
[05-Nov-2009 14:43:12] <rmatte> message/41650#41650
[05-Nov-2009 14:43:17] <rmatte> hopefully someone will know
[05-Nov-2009 14:43:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Unable to use... (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 14:44:19] Bryanstein is now known as zz_Bryanstein
[05-Nov-2009 14:47:30] <NewBee> where would i find errors from trying to create a threshold?
[05-Nov-2009 14:47:46] <NewBee> i know /opt/zenoss/log/ but what file.
[05-Nov-2009 14:59:30] <rmatte> they'd be in zenperfsnmp.log
[05-Nov-2009 15:00:43] <rmatte> hola egor
[05-Nov-2009 15:00:48] <bigegor> hey
[05-Nov-2009 15:00:55] <NewBee> this seems to be a GUI problem.
[05-Nov-2009 15:01:10] <NewBee> it turns off the thresholds
[05-Nov-2009 15:01:12] <rmatte> I hear you made a WMI Data Source pack that works in both 2.4 and 2.5, nice work
[05-Nov-2009 15:01:13] <mrayzenoss1> bigegor: after this meeting I'm sitting in, I'll get your stuff posted into SVN
[05-Nov-2009 15:02:00] <bigegor> yes. thanks.
[05-Nov-2009 15:07:34] <NewBee> none of my thresholds will stay enabled. event the "high disk usage" that came with zenoss
[05-Nov-2009 15:09:31] <NewBee> i set it to enable and refresh the template page and after about 3 refresh i shows the threshold enable = false.
[05-Nov-2009 15:11:25] <jrock2004> Well guys off to head home. See you guys later
[05-Nov-2009 15:11:53] <rmatte> NewBee: weird, never seen that sort of behaviour before
[05-Nov-2009 15:12:28] <NewBee> :-(
[05-Nov-2009 15:12:43] <NewBee> I've got a tail on zenpersnmp but nothing.
[05-Nov-2009 15:13:10] <NewBee> this is the default threshold right? here.getTotalBlocks() * .96
[05-Nov-2009 15:13:31] <NewBee> it i set them to a number they stay enabled
[05-Nov-2009 15:14:45] <NewBee> do i need something like $(here.totalblocks)
[05-Nov-2009 15:15:02] <NewBee> or (here.getTotalBlocks() * .96)
[05-Nov-2009 15:18:24] <NewBee> ok so my threshold is called error2. the event shows that it came from usedBlocks_usedBlocks|error2
[05-Nov-2009 15:19:04] <NewBee> but the message is from has "disk space threshold: 86.1% used (2.08 GB free)"
[05-Nov-2009 15:19:17] <NewBee> isn't that from the default
[05-Nov-2009 15:19:22] <NewBee> threshold
[05-Nov-2009 15:23:06] <NewBee> can someone tell me what they have as there default threshold formula?
[05-Nov-2009 15:23:57] <rmatte> I'll grab you the default...
[05-Nov-2009 15:24:25] <rmatte> here.getTotalBlocks() * .9
[05-Nov-2009 15:24:29] <rmatte> that's the default
[05-Nov-2009 15:24:48] <NewBee> no ( around it
[05-Nov-2009 15:25:03] <rmatte> nope
[05-Nov-2009 15:25:25] <NewBee> and what is the data point
[05-Nov-2009 15:25:52] <NewBee> usedBlocks_usedBlocks or BlocksUesd_BlocksUsed
[05-Nov-2009 15:26:28] mrayzenoss1 is now known as mrayzenoss
[05-Nov-2009 15:39:50] <NewBee> so this is ok (10 * 100) + 25 but this is not here.totalBlocks
[05-Nov-2009 15:40:41] <NewBee> here.getTotalBlocks() also doesn't work
[05-Nov-2009 15:43:20] <NewBee> humm but this does work here.getTotalBlocks i just removed the () and the threshold is still set to true.
[05-Nov-2009 15:44:35] <NewBee> but if i add that to a graph. i get an error and can't see the os/c__drive
[05-Nov-2009 15:45:56] <NewBee> i take that back . the non-() option just got set to disable
[05-Nov-2009 15:49:48] <rmatte> sounds like you have something more serious wrong than just the way you'te formatting that threshold
[05-Nov-2009 15:49:56] <rmatte> have you tried restarting Zenoss?
[05-Nov-2009 15:52:11] <NewBee> no
[05-Nov-2009 15:52:33] <NewBee> i just did the upgrade. I'm not sure if this was happing befor.
[05-Nov-2009 15:52:36] <NewBee> I'll restart now
[05-Nov-2009 15:54:04] <rmatte> it's possible that it's a bug
[05-Nov-2009 15:56:36] <NewBee> nice
[05-Nov-2009 15:56:49] <NewBee> now i can't event get to the device page.
[05-Nov-2009 15:57:06] <rmatte> then you obviously have something seriously wrong with Zenoss
[05-Nov-2009 15:57:17] <rmatte> do "zenoss status"
[05-Nov-2009 15:57:23] <rmatte> make sure all the daemons are running
[05-Nov-2009 15:57:26] <rmatte> check the log files
[05-Nov-2009 15:57:30] <rmatte> especially zenhub.log
[05-Nov-2009 15:58:01] <NewBee> all running
[05-Nov-2009 15:59:54] <NewBee> i see a error in the event.log
[05-Nov-2009 16:01:45] <rmatte> hmmm, I wonder why dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_setEventStates(1, 'a28303fd-8f3a-40fe-b763-eceac4c0803b') doesn't work
[05-Nov-2009 16:03:15] <NewBee> and now it just starts working. but i still have the same problem.
[05-Nov-2009 16:03:46] <rmatte> if it's that screwed up and the log files aren't giving any insight as to what the issue may be then I'd recommend a reinstall
[05-Nov-2009 16:05:32] <NewBee> 2009-11-05T17:05:28 INFO ZODB.Conflict database conflict error (oid 0x2c, class Products.ZenUtils.PObjectCache.PObjectCache) at /zport/RenderServer/render (1 conflicts, of which 0 were unresolved, since startup at Thu Nov 5 17:02:03 2009)
[05-Nov-2009 16:05:57] <rmatte> db conflicts are not good
[05-Nov-2009 16:06:09] <rmatte> oh not wait
[05-Nov-2009 16:06:12] <rmatte> no*
[05-Nov-2009 16:06:16] <rmatte> that message is fine
[05-Nov-2009 16:06:24] <rmatte> "of which 0 were unresolved"
[05-Nov-2009 16:06:32] <rmatte> that means it resolved the conflict, so that's not it
[05-Nov-2009 16:06:40] <NewBee> hummm
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:39] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:08:31 ERROR zen.MinMaxCheck: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks()) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:39] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:08:31 WARNING zen.RRDView: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks()) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:39] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:08:31 INFO zen.RRDView: Disabled threshold Error
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:39] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:10:47 ERROR zen.MinMaxCheck: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks()) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:40] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:10:47 WARNING zen.RRDView: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks()) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:43] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:10:47 INFO zen.RRDView: Disabled threshold Error
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:45] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:12:28 ERROR zen.MinMaxCheck: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks()) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:48] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:12:28 WARNING zen.RRDView: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks()) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:51] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:12:28 INFO zen.RRDView: Disabled threshold MyASS
[05-Nov-2009 16:13:03] <NewBee> that is the event hame MyASS
[05-Nov-2009 16:13:27] <rmatte> It thinks that your expression is just "(here.getTotalBlocks())"
[05-Nov-2009 16:13:40] <NewBee> that is it
[05-Nov-2009 16:13:57] <NewBee> I'm only trying to use it with out any math.
[05-Nov-2009 16:13:59] <rmatte> it should be here.getTotalBlocks() * .95 or whatever
[05-Nov-2009 16:14:43] <rmatte> you're using this on the actual FileSystem template?
[05-Nov-2009 16:15:16] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:16:41 ERROR zen.MinMaxCheck: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks() *.95) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:15:16] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:16:41 WARNING zen.RRDView: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks() *.95) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:15:16] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:16:41 INFO zen.RRDView: Disabled threshold MyASS
[05-Nov-2009 16:15:16] <NewBee>
[05-Nov-2009 16:15:32] <rmatte> give me screenshots of your template screen and your threshold screen
[05-Nov-2009 16:15:36] <NewBee> yes the one that came with zenoss i think.
[05-Nov-2009 16:16:00] <NewBee> ok. how would you like to get that?
[05-Nov-2009 16:16:12] <NewBee> is there a ez screen clip site.
[05-Nov-2009 16:16:15] <rmatte> tinypic.com
[05-Nov-2009 16:16:33] <rmatte> just take the screenshots and uploads them there
[05-Nov-2009 16:18:30] <NewBee> http://i36.tinypic.com/2ljoy0p.png
[05-Nov-2009 16:20:17] <rmatte> delete that BlocksUsed datasource
[05-Nov-2009 16:20:22] <rmatte> no idea why you even have that
[05-Nov-2009 16:20:39] <NewBee> Gone
[05-Nov-2009 16:20:58] <rmatte> now I need a screenshot of the actual threshold
[05-Nov-2009 16:21:21] <rmatte> you might want to name your thresholds something more descriptive
[05-Nov-2009 16:21:27] <rmatte> like "high disk usage"
[05-Nov-2009 16:21:55] <NewBee> I needed something that i could grep on.
[05-Nov-2009 16:22:06] <rmatte> ah
[05-Nov-2009 16:22:23] <NewBee> http://i37.tinypic.com/4qn7te.png
[05-Nov-2009 16:22:52] <rmatte> put a space between * and .95
[05-Nov-2009 16:23:07] <rmatte> make the event class /Perf/Filesystem
[05-Nov-2009 16:23:17] <NewBee> Ok
[05-Nov-2009 16:23:45] <NewBee> when i goback to the template it show that it is disabled.
[05-Nov-2009 16:23:52] <NewBee> unless i use just number.
[05-Nov-2009 16:24:00] <rmatte> go to the device page for one of the devices that the template is applied to
[05-Nov-2009 16:24:10] <rmatte> then go to More -> Collector plugins
[05-Nov-2009 16:24:28] <rmatte> make sure that zenoss.snmp.HRFileSystemMap is one of the plugins
[05-Nov-2009 16:24:44] <rmatte> If it's not, then that threshold will not work
[05-Nov-2009 16:26:39] <NewBee> looks good http://i33.tinypic.com/svnxjm.png
[05-Nov-2009 16:29:23] <rmatte> well, I'm out of ideas
[05-Nov-2009 16:29:30] <rmatte> it should work
[05-Nov-2009 16:29:45] <rmatte> I'd say reinstall Zenoss and see if you still have the issue
[05-Nov-2009 16:29:49] <rmatte> if you do, then file a bug report
[05-Nov-2009 16:29:58] <NewBee> I see someone else has had this problem. but no one replayed to it.
[05-Nov-2009 16:30:10] <NewBee> thank you for all your help
[05-Nov-2009 16:30:16] <rmatte> no problem
[05-Nov-2009 16:46:03] <mrayzenoss> OK, I've posted Egor's 1.5 version of the WMI Data Source
[05-Nov-2009 16:46:12] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3392
[05-Nov-2009 16:46:19] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - WMI Data Source (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 16:46:25] <mrayzenoss> it's supposed to work with Zenoss 2.4.5 and Zenoss 2.5
[05-Nov-2009 16:58:10] <rmatte> I'll test it tomorrow
[05-Nov-2009 16:58:20] <rmatte> although I'd imagine he's done some testing already
[05-Nov-2009 16:58:37] <mrayzenoss> he told me he did
[05-Nov-2009 16:58:45] <mrayzenoss> I'm tempted to take him at his word
[05-Nov-2009 16:58:51] <mrayzenoss> after I smoke test it a tiny bit
[05-Nov-2009 17:02:47] <rmatte> hehe
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[05-Nov-2009 21:55:11] <Touma> i can install some zenpacks and restart
[05-Nov-2009 21:55:23] <Touma> or only instal one by one
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[06-Nov-2009 08:36:19] <NewBee> Does this error meant hat my RRD doesn't have the expression zen.MinMaxCheck: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks()) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
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[06-Nov-2009 09:16:55] <klinstifen> morning all
[06-Nov-2009 09:17:01] <klinstifen> i have a device that is going up down
[06-Nov-2009 09:17:13] <klinstifen> is there a way to change the monitoring for just that one device so it is checked less frequently
[06-Nov-2009 09:17:29] <klinstifen> i thought it would be the commandcycle time under zproperties
[06-Nov-2009 09:17:32] <klinstifen> but that doesn't seem to be it
[06-Nov-2009 09:19:30] <rmatte> klinstifen: no, the cycle times are global per collector
[06-Nov-2009 09:19:47] <rmatte> klinstifen: you'd have to setup a second local collector just for that one device to be able to do that
[06-Nov-2009 09:20:24] <klinstifen> hmm...maybe i will just switch it to the dev class
[06-Nov-2009 09:20:40] <klinstifen> alerts for ping down aren't sent for that class, correct?
[06-Nov-2009 09:20:59] <klinstifen> or i could change my alerts to exclude that device...
[06-Nov-2009 09:21:01] <klinstifen> hmmm
[06-Nov-2009 09:28:09] <mrayzenoss> Anyone using the Puppet/Zenoss integration? It's been updated: http://github.com/mamba/puppet-zenoss
[06-Nov-2009 09:28:19] <adytum-bot> Title: mamba's puppet-zenoss at master - GitHub (at github.com)
[06-Nov-2009 09:29:45] <rmatte> noop
[06-Nov-2009 09:47:37] <rmatte> but not being able to acknowledge events in my script is driving me nuts, by the time I figure this out I will have spent a whole day on something that should have taken 2 seconds
[06-Nov-2009 09:48:30] <RoundQube> klinstifen good morning (at least in my timezone). did you get a chance to test out your hp proliant?
[06-Nov-2009 09:48:45] <NewBee> I hear ya. in the same boat. ya just add disk thresholds it's a snap......
[06-Nov-2009 10:09:21] <NewBee> What do i add to my URL to see the ZOPE info
[06-Nov-2009 10:14:51] <Zenethian> append /manage
[06-Nov-2009 10:28:22] <rmatte> oh my frigging god I finally figured this out, stupidest thing ever
[06-Nov-2009 10:28:29] <rmatte> dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_setEventStates(1, ['3a1ea754-b8e3-45fd-a232-4b0e8e216ad9']) <--- works
[06-Nov-2009 10:28:33] <rmatte> dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_setEventStates(1, '3a1ea754-b8e3-45fd-a232-4b0e8e216ad9') <--- doesn't work
[06-Nov-2009 10:28:52] <rmatte> now I just need to modify my script
[06-Nov-2009 10:30:35] <jrock2004> rmatte: You are missing a good Zenoss training :)
[06-Nov-2009 10:30:55] <rmatte> jrock2004: chances are that I already know 95% of it lol
[06-Nov-2009 10:31:06] <rmatte> what kind of stuff are they teaching?
[06-Nov-2009 10:31:31] <jrock2004> rmatte: Right now they are talking about mapping event to a class
[06-Nov-2009 10:31:51] <jrock2004> they are breaking down zenoss and explaining how to use it and what the parts are for
[06-Nov-2009 10:32:29] <jrock2004> the advance stuff is after luch
[06-Nov-2009 10:32:35] <rmatte> ah
[06-Nov-2009 10:32:53] <rmatte> yeh, I've got event mappings and transforms down to a fine science at this point
[06-Nov-2009 10:33:43] <jrock2004> They brought up a funny story than an IT guy wrote a script that is zenoss detected a critical at 5pm, zenoss would order a pizza for him
[06-Nov-2009 10:34:35] <rmatte> lmao
[06-Nov-2009 10:34:38] <rmatte> that's awesome
[06-Nov-2009 10:35:46] <rmatte> I need to do that but have it order me lunch
[06-Nov-2009 10:35:54] <rmatte> would be easy enough with twill
[06-Nov-2009 10:36:00] <rmatte> automated swiss chalet ordering :)
[06-Nov-2009 10:36:22] <jrock2004> yeah and one guy made a portlet that would show streamining media of the basketball games lol
[06-Nov-2009 10:36:36] <rmatte> haha
[06-Nov-2009 10:36:44] <rmatte> that's taking it a bit too far :P
[06-Nov-2009 10:36:59] <mrayzenoss> yeah, the Site Window portlet included in 2.5 could easily do that
[06-Nov-2009 10:37:19] <rmatte> I intend to browse youtube with it :P
[06-Nov-2009 10:44:34] <rmatte> yesss, this script is finally basically working the way I intended it to
[06-Nov-2009 10:45:31] <rmatte> instead of moving events to history it acknowledges them, each run it checks acknowledged events, if the event count has increased since the last time it checked them it kicks of the ticket create script
[06-Nov-2009 10:45:44] <rmatte> still a lot more work to do but it's coming along
[06-Nov-2009 10:50:54] <jrock2004> I honestly think after this I will need to start over with my zenoss
[06-Nov-2009 10:51:12] <rmatte> hehe
[06-Nov-2009 10:51:45] <rmatte> yeh, the first time you do it and then you really start figuring out how to use it properly you end up with all sorts of "Why the heck did I do that like that?" situations
[06-Nov-2009 10:52:19] <jrock2004> would it best to uninstall stable package and reinstall or is there a command line that will jsut restar it?
[06-Nov-2009 10:52:42] <jrock2004> geez maybe I should just ask the trainers here lol
[06-Nov-2009 10:55:13] <RoundQube> after enabling a zenpack template and binding it, and remodeling the device... i should see in the modeling process logs that the zenpack template was enabled correct? for example, i see all my HP device stuff but not the asterisk that i just enabled
[06-Nov-2009 10:55:45] <RoundQube> yes i know that asterisk zenpack is unstable but testing it. installed fine, loaded and bind correctly, modeled device as well
[06-Nov-2009 11:00:22] <rmatte> hmmmm, now I need to figure out how to remove an entry from the events dictionary in my script when it no longer exists in the queue, actually I think I just had a eureka on how to do that
[06-Nov-2009 11:02:26] <mrayzenoss> RoundQube: depending on what you've added and the level of debugging, you should probably see something in the logs for your templates (ie. in zenperfsnmp.log or zencommand.log)
[06-Nov-2009 11:02:59] <mrayzenoss> RoundQube: Please followup with your Asterisk findings on the page for that ZenPack…
[06-Nov-2009 11:06:53] <NewBee> if Im making a new FileSystem template. and use the Target Class of "Products.ZenModel.FileSystem" should it now pick up the drives on the systems. (and I have a good OID)
[06-Nov-2009 11:09:31] <NewBee> never mind. it Still turns off my threshold.
[06-Nov-2009 11:12:07] <cryptographrix> hello all!
[06-Nov-2009 11:12:42] <cryptographrix> is there an easy way/place to add data points to peformance templates through?
[06-Nov-2009 11:14:05] <cryptographrix> i.e. - can I just add them to db, etc?
[06-Nov-2009 11:14:50] <mrayzenoss> cryptographrix: Yeah, you just add new templates: docs/DOC-3908
[06-Nov-2009 11:14:55] <mrayzenoss> or update the ones in place
[06-Nov-2009 11:14:58] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 6.2 2 Performance Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[06-Nov-2009 11:15:08] <NewBee> can i install the filesystem template somehow? (to make shure it clean)
[06-Nov-2009 11:15:46] <mrayzenoss> What happened to the filesystem template already on your system?
[06-Nov-2009 11:16:10] <NewBee> it will not let me add a threshold
[06-Nov-2009 11:16:24] <NewBee> it says User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks() - 1000) for maximum value caused error:
[06-Nov-2009 11:16:56] <NewBee> that was in the zenhub.log
[06-Nov-2009 11:18:11] <cryptographrix> say I have 100 data points entered today, and the devs I work with add 200+ data points to the command data source in the next release - is there a way I can write a script to parse that data source and automatically add the data points to zenoss to be tracked?
[06-Nov-2009 11:18:43] <mrayzenoss> NewBee: http://imagebin.org/70742 Is my vanilla threshold
[06-Nov-2009 11:18:49] <mrayzenoss> unmodified
[06-Nov-2009 11:18:54] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[06-Nov-2009 11:19:12] <NewBee> ya i've tried that also.
[06-Nov-2009 11:19:36] <NewBee> it's ok if i just put a number in there.
[06-Nov-2009 11:19:49] <mrayzenoss> cryptographrix: you can create a migrate step to update the threshold if you're delivering the templates via a ZenPack...
[06-Nov-2009 11:20:36] <cryptographrix> hmmm
[06-Nov-2009 11:20:56] <mrayzenoss> s/template/threshold/
[06-Nov-2009 11:21:09] <NewBee> message/36296#36296 <--- this talks about a ZODB. it the here.totalBlocks in the ZODB?
[06-Nov-2009 11:21:18] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Thresholds and custom class properties (at community.zenoss.org)
[06-Nov-2009 12:01:34] <sloof3> I'm trying to add 95% graphs. I followed: message/26743#26743 30 minutes later I don't have the new graph.
[06-Nov-2009 12:01:42] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 95th percentile graphs (at community.zenoss.org)
[06-Nov-2009 12:09:54] <rmatte> did you delete the old RRD?
[06-Nov-2009 12:10:11] <rmatte> if it had a graph before you need to kill the old RRD file so that it generates a new one
[06-Nov-2009 12:18:28] <sloof3> rmatte: If I delete the old one do I lose my graph points?
[06-Nov-2009 12:19:12] <sloof3> By that I mean the historical data I've already logged, will I lose it?
[06-Nov-2009 12:21:07] <rmatte> yes
[06-Nov-2009 12:21:09] <rmatte> you will
[06-Nov-2009 12:21:31] <rmatte> the only other way to do it would be to do some rrdtool magic on the existing file
[06-Nov-2009 12:22:22] <sloof3> Well that isn't fun at all
[06-Nov-2009 12:22:28] <sloof3> I like me shiny data
[06-Nov-2009 12:23:06] <sloof3> It's a seperate graph though. Is there a reason the data must be deleted?
[06-Nov-2009 12:33:43] <rmatte> as if
[06-Nov-2009 12:33:45] <rmatte> for k, v in events:
[06-Nov-2009 12:33:46] <rmatte> ValueError: too many values to unpack
[06-Nov-2009 12:33:59] <rmatte> it's actually complaining that there's too much data in a dictionary to unpack
[06-Nov-2009 12:36:32] <rmatte> ah it's because I'm an idiot
[06-Nov-2009 12:36:35] <rmatte> forgot the .iteritems()
[06-Nov-2009 12:37:25] <mrayzenoss> sloof3: if you're adding a new graph, you don't have to delete anything
[06-Nov-2009 12:37:32] <mrayzenoss> it's only if you're updating an existing graph
[06-Nov-2009 12:38:13] <venturaville> hi
[06-Nov-2009 12:38:31] <mrayzenoss> greetings
[06-Nov-2009 12:38:33] <venturaville> does anyone know of an iostats addon for snmpd.conf that keeps the snmp indexes intact for the filesystems....
[06-Nov-2009 12:39:35] <venturaville> I'm playing with the iostat.pl pass through that someone from cacti wrote at the moment
[06-Nov-2009 12:40:05] <mrayzenoss> that sounds familiar… was that in a recent forum post?
[06-Nov-2009 12:40:42] <venturaville> not that I know of ... I found it on a cacti group
[06-Nov-2009 12:40:49] <mrayzenoss> message/41671#41671
[06-Nov-2009 12:40:58] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Graph I/O Performance? (at community.zenoss.org)
[06-Nov-2009 12:41:30] <venturaville> must have subconsciously seen it and it not registered :-P
[06-Nov-2009 12:42:15] <mrayzenoss> it was just posted yesterday, so maybe you missed it
[06-Nov-2009 12:42:46] <venturaville> I'm playing with a fusion I/O card on the mysql server that hosts zenoss events ... so I was hoping to graph out disk latency on it
[06-Nov-2009 12:43:42] <mrayzenoss> that sounds like a handy ZenPack
[06-Nov-2009 12:44:15] <venturaville> it would be ... I was hoping someone had already done the mappings of snmp indexes between it and the normal filesystem
[06-Nov-2009 12:44:22] <venturaville> (they don't match up)
[06-Nov-2009 12:51:34] <venturaville> is there an example of a zenpack that at least adds additional data to the base filesystem graphs?
[06-Nov-2009 13:06:43] <venturaville> I'll take the lack of a response as a no..
[06-Nov-2009 13:09:06] <mrayzenoss> Nothing's jumping to mind… probably the Advanced Details does...
[06-Nov-2009 13:10:53] <mrayzenoss> VMware ESX Filesystems provides a FilesystemMap
[06-Nov-2009 13:11:07] <mrayzenoss> but you want extending
[06-Nov-2009 13:12:12] <venturaville> yep, though from looking over things more closely there is probably no way to get there from here.. .I am forgetting that the filesystem devices rarely match the underlying hardware device names.....
[06-Nov-2009 13:12:34] <venturaville> perhaps a completely new map
[06-Nov-2009 13:12:44] <venturaville> StorageDeviceMap
[06-Nov-2009 13:30:51] <majikman> how do i create custom alerting thresholds for zenoss?
[06-Nov-2009 13:36:08] <mrayzenoss> majikman: docs/DOC-3908#d4e2900
[06-Nov-2009 13:36:25] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 6.2 2 Performance Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[06-Nov-2009 13:41:55] <mrayzenoss> Has anyone tried out the Plixer ZenPack?
[06-Nov-2009 13:43:32] <majikman> thanks mrayzenoss
[06-Nov-2009 13:43:54] <mrayzenoss> np
[06-Nov-2009 13:45:58] <xamox> According to the documentation I can install zenpacks from settings->zen packs->install except I don't see any button for install. Is there something I need to do?
[06-Nov-2009 13:49:55] <mrayzenoss> xamox: http://imagebin.org/70761
[06-Nov-2009 13:50:05] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[06-Nov-2009 13:51:19] <davetoo> Process not running: cat
[06-Nov-2009 13:51:24] <davetoo> Process not running: /bin/sh
[06-Nov-2009 13:51:25] <davetoo> wtf
[06-Nov-2009 13:51:32] <xamox> mrayzenoss, derp. Thanks.
[06-Nov-2009 13:52:14] <wildcard0> hey. i have a daily maint window set from 1am-3:30am for a box, but it ends at 2:30am every night. any ideas?
[06-Nov-2009 13:52:40] <wildcard0> i was thinking something was overlapping somewhere, but i don't see anything. is there any way to dump all my maint windows at once?
[06-Nov-2009 13:53:10] <mrayzenoss> wildcard0: daylight savings? overlapping maintenance windows?
[06-Nov-2009 13:53:46] <wildcard0> mrayzenoss: not dst, it happens every night. im looking for overlapping ones, but there aren't any on the same box or on the template tree above it.
[06-Nov-2009 13:54:08] <wildcard0> is there any way to dump all the ones that exist in the db? im thinking there may be a stray in the table somewhere?
[06-Nov-2009 13:55:41] <mrayzenoss> hmm… the notification schedule report isn't exactly what you want
[06-Nov-2009 13:55:55] <wildcard0> or, alternatively, where does zenoss keep this stuff that i can go look at manually?
[06-Nov-2009 13:55:59] <wildcard0> it is it a db or in a text file?
[06-Nov-2009 13:57:16] <mrayzenoss> digging
[06-Nov-2009 13:57:23] <wildcard0> thanks :)
[06-Nov-2009 14:03:00] <rmatte> I finally got this script working
[06-Nov-2009 14:03:10] <rmatte> after a lot of screwing around
[06-Nov-2009 14:04:34] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/m1b63cffb
[06-Nov-2009 14:04:44] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[06-Nov-2009 14:04:50] <rmatte> there's the code so far, still have more work to do to it now, need to add code to support a config file
[06-Nov-2009 14:05:56] <rmatte> it watches the active events, if an event is in a state of new it opens a ticket then acknowledges the event, it then only opens another ticket for that event if the event count on the event increases (it keeps a dictionary of active events)
[06-Nov-2009 14:06:06] <rmatte> if an event is moved to history it removes it from the dictionary
[06-Nov-2009 14:11:21] <cgibbons> hurm
[06-Nov-2009 14:11:40] <cgibbons> i don't suppose anyone has a decent zenpack or template for Airport EXtremes & Expresses?
[06-Nov-2009 14:12:36] <mrayzenoss> cgibbons: what do you need?
[06-Nov-2009 14:12:56] <mrayzenoss> mine monitor just fine
[06-Nov-2009 14:17:30] <gwb235> i am really digging chris hubbard's Iwillfearnoevil SSL zenpack.
[06-Nov-2009 14:17:59] <davetoo> *arg*
[06-Nov-2009 14:18:19] <cgibbons> do they actally have any useful data, matt?
[06-Nov-2009 14:18:23] <davetoo> If I try to add an osprocess class to a zenpack, it gives me all the bloody process *instances* too
[06-Nov-2009 14:18:38] <davetoo> so if I do it from a system that's actually monitoring anything.....
[06-Nov-2009 14:18:52] <davetoo> Trying to find a workaround using zendump
[06-Nov-2009 14:19:07] <davetoo> May end up just using a bloody xml editor
[06-Nov-2009 14:19:43] <rmatte> davetoo: that blows
[06-Nov-2009 14:20:16] <mrayzenoss> cgibbons: I've got mine under /Network/Router… I added performance monitoring for the number of DHCP leases out
[06-Nov-2009 14:20:26] <mrayzenoss> but everything works just fine
[06-Nov-2009 14:20:30] <mrayzenoss> and they do syslog too
[06-Nov-2009 14:20:38] <mrayzenoss> or at least, the Extreme does
[06-Nov-2009 14:20:44] <rmatte> oooooook, time to read up on configparser
[06-Nov-2009 14:21:21] <davetoo> maybe my problem is that I'm using 2.4.2 on that core box :)
[06-Nov-2009 14:21:41] <rmatte> doubt it, but maybe
[06-Nov-2009 14:22:28] <rmatte> I'd recommend 2.4.5 with these patches: docs/DOC-4434
[06-Nov-2009 14:22:34] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Post-2.4.5 Patches (at community.zenoss.org)
[06-Nov-2009 14:23:18] <davetoo> as soon as I get the Enterprise system up and blessed, this other system is being retired
[06-Nov-2009 14:25:57] <rmatte> ah
[06-Nov-2009 14:50:51] <mrayzenoss> I think I'm going to go ahead and modify the WMI Data Source warning that people should upgrade to 1.5 before installing 2.5 based on the positive feedback so far
[06-Nov-2009 14:51:47] <rmatte> cool
[06-Nov-2009 14:51:55] <gwb235> I've created a custom event class, associated thresholds with the new class, but they're still mapping to the old event class (when threshold exceeded) of /Perf/SNMP (instead of /SSL/expire_7). Do I need to restart daemons/update collectors to propogate?
[06-Nov-2009 14:52:08] <rmatte> modify the general warning that you posted as well as the one on the zenpack page itself
[06-Nov-2009 14:54:44] <mrayzenoss> yeah, I'm doing that
[06-Nov-2009 14:55:01] <rmatte> I figured you would, just reminding :)
[06-Nov-2009 14:55:36] <RoundQube> Zenoss is reporting alerts because one port is going over threshold (here.speed) / 8 * 75, which seems kinda low threshold considering its a switch port. How can I globally change this value rather than just per port?
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:04] <RoundQube> or better yet, how can Zenoss alert me if it goes over that treshold sustained for 30+ mins but not warn me if it only goes above that for a few mins.
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:16] <rmatte> RoundQube: it's easy
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:24] <rmatte> RoundQube: go to /Devices
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:26] <rmatte> then Templates
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:31] <rmatte> and find the ethernet template
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:39] <rmatte> then go in to that and edit the threshold
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:43] <RoundQube> ahh, thanks
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:46] <rmatte> np
[06-Nov-2009 14:57:00] <RoundQube> so whats a good value there? because when ppl perform copies over the network to a server, it alerts me each time
[06-Nov-2009 14:57:31] <RoundQube> i guess it doesn't matter if this port goes over 100megs, I care more when our internet bound traffic exceeds 75% saturation
[06-Nov-2009 14:57:53] <rmatte> I'd say 90 percent probably
[06-Nov-2009 14:57:58] <rmatte> so * 90
[06-Nov-2009 14:58:22] <RoundQube> right now its /8 * .90, just set it to that
[06-Nov-2009 14:58:29] <rmatte> then you'll probably want to create local copies of the template on your internet bound ports
[06-Nov-2009 14:58:32] <rmatte> and set them to 75
[06-Nov-2009 14:58:40] <RoundQube> weird though that i got alerts when .75 of it wasn' treached
[06-Nov-2009 14:58:43] <rmatte> yeh .90 should work fine
[06-Nov-2009 14:59:02] <RoundQube> got this message on a 100mb switch port: threshold of high utilization exceeded: current value 12679964.76
[06-Nov-2009 14:59:08] <rmatte> RoundQube: the percentage is based on what speed it thinks the port is
[06-Nov-2009 14:59:12] <RoundQube> thats basically 12 megabits
[06-Nov-2009 14:59:18] <rmatte> click on the port in Zenoss and check the speed value that Zenoss has for it
[06-Nov-2009 14:59:34] <rmatte> we have issues with some tunnel interfaces which report their speed as like 7kbps via snmp
[06-Nov-2009 14:59:43] <rmatte> so we end up with them reporting like 300% utilization
[06-Nov-2009 14:59:59] <RoundQube> rmatte fa0/9 shows up in zenoss as 100mbps
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:06] <rmatte> and that's 12 megabytes
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:08] <rmatte> not megabits
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:13] <rmatte> it's 100 megabits
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:25] <rmatte> bits are smaller than bytes :)
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:32] <RoundQube> yes i know :)
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:40] <rmatte> 12.5 to be precise
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:51] <RoundQube> i should change the message around to say bytes because i always read last network numbers in bits
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:54] <RoundQube> as is the norm
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:56] <rmatte> RoundQube: ok, if it shows up as 100mbps then that's good
[06-Nov-2009 15:01:13] <RoundQube> i guess the .76 after it should have alerted me, dumb i guess
[06-Nov-2009 15:01:23] <rmatte> should have
[06-Nov-2009 15:01:53] <RoundQube> the throughput graph is showing max: 200.97M, how can that be on a 100mbps port? even in full-duplex thats 200mbps port only
[06-Nov-2009 15:02:24] <mrayzenoss> 1024 vs 1000?
[06-Nov-2009 15:02:57] <RoundQube> and not sure why zenoss didn't alert me of a 2nd port being affected because since this traffic is not hittting the internet (checked via graphs of router), it must be network copies to another server
[06-Nov-2009 15:09:27] <majikman> mrayzenoss, i noticed a response by you to another user regarding the auto discovery. i'm getting this when I run zendisc "WARNING:zen.ZenDisc:No networks configured" but when I go to networks, I have one configured. what else could cause that?
[06-Nov-2009 15:10:12] <rmatte> RoundQube: possibly because whatever device it was copying to isn't being monitored?
[06-Nov-2009 15:10:30] <RoundQube> rmatte but all ports on the swtich are monitored
[06-Nov-2009 15:10:57] <rmatte> RoundQube: any gig ports on it?
[06-Nov-2009 15:10:59] <RoundQube> so when traffic leaves and saturates say fa0/9, and destined for another device, lets say its not monitored should still flow through another switch port
[06-Nov-2009 15:11:13] <RoundQube> rmatte yes but we've disabled them.. only using 10/100 ports
[06-Nov-2009 15:11:18] <rmatte> ah
[06-Nov-2009 15:11:21] <rmatte> no idea then
[06-Nov-2009 15:11:29] <RoundQube> thats what's got me so confused hehe
[06-Nov-2009 15:11:50] <mrayzenoss> majikman: are you discovering from the UI?
[06-Nov-2009 15:11:58] <majikman> from the comand line
[06-Nov-2009 15:12:04] <mrayzenoss> ahhh...
[06-Nov-2009 15:12:07] <RoundQube> mrayzenoss nice webinar the other day, very helpful!
[06-Nov-2009 15:12:15] <mrayzenoss> RoundQube: thanks
[06-Nov-2009 15:12:21] <mrayzenoss> majikman: it's easier through the UI
[06-Nov-2009 15:12:33] <mrayzenoss> and even easier with the Easy Add
[06-Nov-2009 15:12:37] <majikman> mrayzenoss, yea, but i want it to run regularly so i'm adding it to my crontab
[06-Nov-2009 15:13:12] <mrayzenoss> majikman: have you added the network under Networks?
[06-Nov-2009 15:13:18] <majikman> yes
[06-Nov-2009 15:13:34] <mrayzenoss> and what's your command line?
[06-Nov-2009 15:13:39] <majikman> zendisc run
[06-Nov-2009 15:13:42] <mrayzenoss> like "/usr/local/zenoss/bin/zendisc run --net 10.0.111.0/24"
[06-Nov-2009 15:13:49] <majikman> oh... i still need to specify --net?
[06-Nov-2009 15:13:58] <mrayzenoss> try what I just posted, that's what the discover job uses
[06-Nov-2009 15:14:11] <majikman> ok, that would explain it. thanks. i thought it pulls from the networks i have configured
[06-Nov-2009 15:14:25] <mrayzenoss> there are more options available, like which device class and how many parallel options to run
[06-Nov-2009 15:15:29] <mrayzenoss> zendisc help
[06-Nov-2009 15:16:56] <mrayzenoss> interesting, just noticed the "—walk" option
[06-Nov-2009 15:27:43] <majikman> yea... the help was useful. thanks
[06-Nov-2009 15:30:01] <majikman> hmm.... is it possible to exclude a range? i'm using a /24 but 10 of the ip addresses in that /24, iw ant to exclude
[06-Nov-2009 15:32:00] <mrayzenoss> you can do ranges in the UI with the easy add, there's a ticket somewhere that it needs to be added to the CLI
[06-Nov-2009 15:33:53] <mrayzenoss> hmm.. .maybe it does work: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/4612
[06-Nov-2009 15:36:01] <mrayzenoss> majikman: try this: zendisc run --range 10.0.0.1-20
[06-Nov-2009 15:36:07] <mrayzenoss> or whatever your network is
[06-Nov-2009 15:36:25] <majikman> ahh... sweet, let me try that
[06-Nov-2009 15:36:29] <mrayzenoss> I think it's 2.5 only
[06-Nov-2009 15:36:56] <mrayzenoss> seems to work, cool
[06-Nov-2009 15:37:00] <majikman> i see a --range feature in 2.4.3
[06-Nov-2009 15:37:15] <majikman> or whatever version i'm running. def not 2.5 though
[06-Nov-2009 15:37:42] <mrayzenoss> good to know
[06-Nov-2009 15:50:39] <majikman> so i put a server into maintenance mode but zenoss appears to still be checking it and displaying events in the event console. how can i get it to stp that?
[06-Nov-2009 15:51:13] <mrayzenoss> majikman: which maintenance mode?
[06-Nov-2009 15:51:39] <majikman> by setting production state
[06-Nov-2009 16:21:12] <majikman> so i want to set a mysql threshold for the number of connections and i can do that fine. the problem i'm having is that i have master and replica servers and obviously, the number of connections for thosee two are going to be different. when i create the threshold, it appears to apply to all my mysql servers. i can't seem to specify one for the masters and one for the replicas. any idea hwo to do thsi?
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[06-Nov-2009 16:54:17] <mrayzenoss> wildcard0: saw your post, I may use that as a tip of the month next month
[06-Nov-2009 16:55:07] <wildcard0> cool
[06-Nov-2009 16:55:24] <wildcard0> i've now learned zendmd and can do lots more :)
[06-Nov-2009 17:00:14] <rmatte> yeh, zendmd is golden
[06-Nov-2009 17:04:05] <rmatte> woohoo, I think I'm finally done my script (well, just need to polish it up now). It reads from a config file and everything.
[06-Nov-2009 17:06:42] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/f45b61f52
[06-Nov-2009 17:06:52] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[06-Nov-2009 17:08:48] <rmatte> hmmm, think I'll package this up as a ZenPack and get it to start when zenoss does, like zenperfwmi
[06-Nov-2009 17:09:27] <majikman> are we not allowed to post images in the forums?
[06-Nov-2009 17:09:41] <mrayzenoss> I think you can
[06-Nov-2009 17:09:58] <mrayzenoss> I know I've posted images
[06-Nov-2009 17:10:04] <majikman> there is an insert image button but its grayed out...
[06-Nov-2009 17:10:15] <majikman> oh... or do i just attach it as a file?
[06-Nov-2009 17:10:28] <mrayzenoss> no… you should be able to do it in the WYSIWIG
[06-Nov-2009 17:10:35] <mrayzenoss> attachements are for non-images
[06-Nov-2009 17:11:39] <majikman> hmm... dunno. i can attach it fine, i just can't seem to insert an image. can't drag and drop it into the WYSIWYG
[06-Nov-2009 17:11:46] <majikman> its ok. i'll just attach it then
[06-Nov-2009 17:11:58] <mrayzenoss> what browser?
[06-Nov-2009 17:12:05] <majikman> chrome
[06-Nov-2009 17:13:15] <mrayzenoss> weird, it works for me
[06-Nov-2009 17:13:29] <mrayzenoss> screenshot?
[06-Nov-2009 17:17:12] <majikman> hmm.... http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~choua/pictures/zenoss.png
[06-Nov-2009 17:19:20] <mrayzenoss> which forum?
[06-Nov-2009 17:21:27] <mrayzenoss> weird… I need to create myself another account so I can see the site without SuperAdmin privileges
[06-Nov-2009 17:22:48] <majikman> on the zenpack forum
[06-Nov-2009 17:22:56] <majikman> yea... it might be because i don't have the correct permissions
[06-Nov-2009 17:23:20] <majikman> mrayzenoss, do you need me to keep the picture up to show your engineering team or can i delete it?
[06-Nov-2009 17:23:28] <mrayzenoss> you can delete it
[06-Nov-2009 17:25:05] <mrayzenoss> I'm creating an account for myself
[06-Nov-2009 17:27:19] <mrayzenoss> How about that… it's greyed out
[06-Nov-2009 17:27:28] <mrayzenoss> I'll see if I can fix that
[06-Nov-2009 17:27:38] <majikman> awesome. thanks!
[06-Nov-2009 17:31:04] <mrayzenoss> hmm… why don't you put it as an attachment for now… I think I can set this but I don't have time to test it before I leave
[06-Nov-2009 17:32:09] <mrayzenoss> I gotta run, later
[06-Nov-2009 17:32:22] <majikman> ok, have a good weekend
[06-Nov-2009 17:33:09] <rmatte> well, I've had just about as much coding as I can stand for today
[06-Nov-2009 17:33:19] <rmatte> time to rest my brain
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[07-Nov-2009 08:50:20] <sergeymasushko> morning
[07-Nov-2009 08:50:31] <sergeymasushko> I have a weird situation
[07-Nov-2009 08:51:45] <sergeymasushko> one device continuously said that 'tail' process is down. however I do not see that process under the "OS" tab... how could it be?
[07-Nov-2009 19:37:57] <Alowishus> I've got a host being monitored via SSH... but it's only offering graphs for CPU statistics, not memory... any ideas where to start looking? This is v2.5, and from what I can tell the correct collector plugin is in place... when I model the device I can even see it checking memory
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[08-Nov-2009 06:48:40] <Skaag> I can't find the ApacheMonitor zenpack
[08-Nov-2009 06:48:58] <Skaag> at least not here: community/zenpacks
[08-Nov-2009 06:49:05] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: ZenPacks (at community.zenoss.org)
[08-Nov-2009 06:53:21] <Skaag> looks like all the zenpacks I'm trying to install are failing in 2.5
[08-Nov-2009 06:53:37] <Skaag> like the HP ProCurve, or the Ubuntu Linux zenpacks
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[09-Nov-2009 02:36:45] <davetoo> hmm
[09-Nov-2009 02:36:53] <davetoo> scary when a reindex() throws exceptions
[09-Nov-2009 06:20:13] <ilejn> Hello.
[09-Nov-2009 06:20:29] <ilejn> How is it possible to use custom MIB file?
[09-Nov-2009 06:21:37] <ilejn> I have the MIB file among listed in "zport/dmd/Mibs"
[09-Nov-2009 06:22:03] <Troubadix09> ilejn: install it to zenoss, but zenoss use it only to transfer snmp-traps to readable messages.
[09-Nov-2009 06:22:21] <ilejn> The question is how to refer the MIB specifiing a datasource.
[09-Nov-2009 06:22:28] <ilejn> Is it possible at all?
[09-Nov-2009 06:23:19] <Troubadix09> ilejin: No, but you can use the zenpack MIB-Browser to browse the mib-file and search for the right OID you want to use in a datasource
[09-Nov-2009 06:24:19] <ilejn> Hm ... so ID in "Add a New DataSource" form must be numeric, right?
[09-Nov-2009 06:24:31] <Troubadix09> ilejin: here is the link to the zenpack: docs/DOC-3412
[09-Nov-2009 06:24:39] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - MIB Browser/Utils (at community.zenoss.org)
[09-Nov-2009 06:24:49] <Troubadix09> iljin: right
[09-Nov-2009 06:25:28] <ilejn> Troubadix09, thanks a lot for the link and for answering.
[09-Nov-2009 06:25:44] <Troubadix09> iljin: no prob :)
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[09-Nov-2009 07:19:42] <mnandres> hello
[09-Nov-2009 07:40:22] <Troubadix09> hello mnandres
[09-Nov-2009 07:40:29] <mnandres> hi
[09-Nov-2009 09:05:07] <mnandres> Troubadix09: i have some cuestion
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[09-Nov-2009 09:31:58] <rmatte> good morning folks
[09-Nov-2009 09:31:59] <etank> mnandres: it is best just to ask the question that you have.
[09-Nov-2009 09:32:14] <rmatte> yeh, don't ask to ask lol, counter-productive
[09-Nov-2009 09:32:15] <mnandres> ok
[09-Nov-2009 09:32:48] <mnandres> i needed to now some think about hp4000
[09-Nov-2009 09:32:59] <mnandres> some tellme hoy
[09-Nov-2009 09:33:16] <mnandres> how take information from mib
[09-Nov-2009 09:33:28] <mnandres> i create a tempalte
[09-Nov-2009 09:33:32] <mnandres> template
[09-Nov-2009 09:33:44] <mnandres> i add data source
[09-Nov-2009 09:34:05] <mnandres> and graph
[09-Nov-2009 09:34:09] <mnandres> but
[09-Nov-2009 09:34:12] <mnandres> first
[09-Nov-2009 09:34:19] <mnandres> i have this problem
[09-Nov-2009 09:34:38] <rmatte> you don't use Mibs at all when creating templates, you need to snmpwalk the device, find the value that you want, then snmpwalk the device again with the -On flag, find the OID that you need, and input it in to the SNMP type datasource
[09-Nov-2009 09:35:03] <rmatte> you can also google for the values, there are usually sites that have the correct OIDs for what you want kicking around
[09-Nov-2009 09:35:29] <mnandres> Error reading value for "job-info-pages-printed" on 172.16.40.232 (oid
[09-Nov-2009 09:35:37] <mnandres> Error reading value for "job-info-pages-printed" on 172.16.40.232 (oid is bad)
[09-Nov-2009 09:36:31] <mnandres> i have oid values
[09-Nov-2009 09:36:48] <mnandres> some from the chat sendme one page
[09-Nov-2009 09:37:01] <mnandres> if i test
[09-Nov-2009 09:38:17] <mnandres> Executing command snmpwalk -cpublic -v1 172.16.40.232 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13 against 172.16.40.232 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3812.0 = INTEGER: 34 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3816.0 = INTEGER: 4 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3820.0 = INTEGER: 4 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3824.0 = INTEGER: 2 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3828.0 = INTEGER: 2 SN
[09-Nov-2009 09:39:57] <mnandres> you understande me?
[09-Nov-2009 09:43:17] <rmatte> ok, here's what you need to understand...
[09-Nov-2009 09:43:29] <rmatte> some OID values are for a single value and some are a "tree" of multiple values
[09-Nov-2009 09:43:36] <mnandres> ok
[09-Nov-2009 09:43:53] <rmatte> 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13 is a tree since it's outputting 3 different values
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:03] <rmatte> you can't have an OID with 3 different values output and use it in Zenoss
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:07] <rmatte> it has to be 1 value
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:10] <rmatte> so instead of 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:17] <rmatte> you'd need to use...
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:22] <rmatte> 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3812.0
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:23] <rmatte> or
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:29] <rmatte> 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3820.0
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:30] <rmatte> or
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:37] <rmatte> 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3828.0
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:39] <rmatte> understand?
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:45] <mnandres> a litte
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:52] <rmatte> otherwise you'll get a "Bad OID Value" message
[09-Nov-2009 09:45:15] <rmatte> 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13 is the parent value
[09-Nov-2009 09:45:20] <rmatte> and those 3 values are children
[09-Nov-2009 09:45:25] <rmatte> you can only use children in Zenoss
[09-Nov-2009 09:45:28] <rmatte> you can't use parent values
[09-Nov-2009 09:45:32] <mnandres> ok
[09-Nov-2009 09:45:37] <mnandres> that understand
[09-Nov-2009 09:45:42] <rmatte> k, good
[09-Nov-2009 09:46:19] <mnandres> but, how you now, wath i can too use
[09-Nov-2009 09:46:34] <mnandres> wy 3812, or 3820 or 3828
[09-Nov-2009 09:46:41] <rmatte> it depends on what value you need out of those 3
[09-Nov-2009 09:46:49] <rmatte> if you need all 3 then you need to create a data source for each
[09-Nov-2009 09:46:58] <rmatte> though the values may be different from device to device
[09-Nov-2009 09:47:30] <mnandres> how you now that its the correct values
[09-Nov-2009 09:47:32] <rmatte> google around and see if you can find out
[09-Nov-2009 09:47:39] <adytum-bot> rmatte: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[09-Nov-2009 09:47:44] <rmatte> you just have to use common sense
[09-Nov-2009 09:48:03] <rmatte> mhmmm, the bot errored
[09-Nov-2009 09:48:04] <rmatte> lol
[09-Nov-2009 09:48:21] <jrock2004> Does anyone know if there is a zenpack that will check blacklists for a domain?
[09-Nov-2009 09:48:37] <mnandres> rmatte
[09-Nov-2009 09:48:39] <mnandres> tahnks
[09-Nov-2009 09:49:27] <rmatte> jrock2004: there is no existing one that I'm aware of
[09-Nov-2009 09:49:39] <jrock2004> rmatte: Cool
[09-Nov-2009 09:51:40] <Troubadix09> rmatte: hi
[09-Nov-2009 09:52:38] <jrock2004> rmatte: I guess I can look into use the nagios plugin in my zenoss instance
[09-Nov-2009 09:55:51] <jrock2004> I am noticing that 2.5 is a lot slower to model devices
[09-Nov-2009 10:01:16] <jrock2004> Ok I have the apache and mysql zenpacks templates for /Devices/Server/Linux Now I do have some devices that are not running these
[09-Nov-2009 10:01:23] <Troubadix09> jrock2004: and slower event-console
[09-Nov-2009 10:01:56] <jrock2004> I went into zPropterties and removed the templates apache and mysql. remodeled the device and still getting errors about apache
[09-Nov-2009 10:02:47] <jrock2004> Should I just put the ones without a webserver into another class?
[09-Nov-2009 10:04:18] <rmatte> Troubadix09: hi
[09-Nov-2009 10:04:56] <rmatte> jrock2004: you need to push changes to the collector after removing them
[09-Nov-2009 10:05:10] <rmatte> jrock2004: the collector only updates from Zenoss every hour, so it thinks those templates are still there
[09-Nov-2009 10:05:31] <rmatte> jrock2004: also check the collector plugins list
[09-Nov-2009 10:05:43] <rmatte> jrock2004: it probably has more to do with left-over collector plugins than with templates
[09-Nov-2009 10:06:10] <rmatte> Troubadix09: I find the event console in 2.5 is twice as fast as the old one
[09-Nov-2009 10:06:58] <rmatte> anyways, I won't be very chatty today, I have coding to finish
[09-Nov-2009 10:07:09] <rmatte> which I shall be getting to right now, so talk to you guys a bit later
[09-Nov-2009 10:07:15] <jrock2004> ok
[09-Nov-2009 10:15:33] <gwb2351> is there a way (maybe via the dmd interface) to say "what devices is template X bound to" and generate a list?
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:16] <rmatte> you want a list of templates?
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:21] <ckrough> gwb2351: dmd.Devices.getAllRRDTemplates()
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:34] <ckrough> for x in dmd.Devices.getAllRRDTemplates(), blah blah
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:41] <rmatte> gwb2351: nah, there's an easier way
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:44] <rmatte> click on devices on the left
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:49] <gwb2351> i'm looking for a way to say "we have a template monitoring SSL expiration, what devices are bound to it"
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:56] <rmatte> then More -> All Templates
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:59] <rmatte> and you'll get what you want
[09-Nov-2009 10:20:19] <rmatte> you can also do it on device sub-groups if you want to narrow it down
[09-Nov-2009 10:20:47] <gwb2351> that's a good way to show all templates, but how do i tell what the list of devices bound to template X is?
[09-Nov-2009 10:21:06] <rmatte> obviously you'd sort by template name and then look at the definition path
[09-Nov-2009 10:21:19] <rmatte> oh wait, I get what you're saying
[09-Nov-2009 10:21:34] <rmatte> I thought you were just looking for devices which the template was locally bound to?
[09-Nov-2009 10:21:58] <rmatte> are you looking for this to be fully automated?
[09-Nov-2009 10:22:00] <gwb2351> no; what devices are bound to a top-level template
[09-Nov-2009 10:22:07] <gwb2351> no, just trying to check
[09-Nov-2009 10:22:22] <rmatte> then list the templates like I said and look at the Definition paths for the specific template
[09-Nov-2009 10:22:23] <gwb2351> we're migrating from one template checking SSL to another and I don't want to "lose" any devices
[09-Nov-2009 10:23:06] <chemist> is there anyway to 'skin' zenoss? we are using 2 instances and it would be good to differenciate them
[09-Nov-2009 10:23:24] <rmatte> chemist: it's possible, but I haven't seen a guide for doing it or anything
[09-Nov-2009 10:23:34] <gwb2351> i.e. we used to have a template "NagiosCheckSSLcert" and now we have a (better) template "SSLcert", how do I move all devices from old to new?
[09-Nov-2009 10:23:42] <gwb2351> both templates are at the /Devices level
[09-Nov-2009 10:23:47] <rmatte> chemist: realistically though, are people incapable of looking at a URL bar to determine which instance they are in?
[09-Nov-2009 10:24:13] <chemist> no, it would just be a nice function
[09-Nov-2009 10:24:13] <davetoo> I guess I am :)
[09-Nov-2009 10:24:22] <rmatte> gwb2351: well, that's the only way that I'm personally aware of, but I'm not as selective with my binding as you are
[09-Nov-2009 10:24:39] <davetoo> You have to use the ZMI
[09-Nov-2009 10:24:42] <rmatte> gwb2351: there's probably some zendmd magic that you could do but I have no idea what functions you'd use
[09-Nov-2009 10:24:57] <davetoo> copy images and CSS to the Custom zope folder
[09-Nov-2009 10:25:31] <davetoo> Look at the zenpack docs regarding skins
[09-Nov-2009 10:25:51] <davetoo> though I'm doing it without zenpacks
[09-Nov-2009 10:26:27] <davetoo> 246 conflicts, of which 1 were unresolved <-- that always makes me nervous
[09-Nov-2009 10:27:01] <rmatte> davetoo: yeh, that's generally not a great sign
[09-Nov-2009 10:27:18] <cgibbons> what's the worst that could happen...
[09-Nov-2009 10:27:56] <rmatte> :P
[09-Nov-2009 10:28:38] <davetoo> global thermonuclear war
[09-Nov-2009 10:29:02] <rmatte> "How about a nice game of chess?"
[09-Nov-2009 10:29:20] * davetoo was monkeying with the ZCatalogs last night via the ZMI
[09-Nov-2009 10:29:34] <davetoo> had a device that disappeared but wouldn't go away
[09-Nov-2009 10:29:46] <davetoo> :)
[09-Nov-2009 10:30:11] <rmatte> lol
[09-Nov-2009 10:30:55] <davetoo> Currently I'm trying to figure out why the heck I'm getting snmp agent down events from a distributed collector instance that isn't monitoring that particular device
[09-Nov-2009 10:31:50] <davetoo> What are these "Async delete" and "delete request" messages?
[09-Nov-2009 10:32:50] <cgibbons> From a collector daemon?
[09-Nov-2009 10:33:02] <davetoo> yes
[09-Nov-2009 10:33:14] <davetoo> in fact it was about the system that it' not supposed to be polling
[09-Nov-2009 10:33:17] <davetoo> zenperfsnmp
[09-Nov-2009 10:33:38] <cgibbons> Should be when zenhub detects that a device is no longer applicable to the daemon in question (i.e. a user removed it from a device class or something like that) and it sends a delete command to the daemon.
[09-Nov-2009 10:34:51] <davetoo> but that daemon instance wasn't supposed to be monitoring that device
[09-Nov-2009 10:35:02] <cgibbons> lesee
[09-Nov-2009 10:35:26] <davetoo> here's what's going on:
[09-Nov-2009 10:35:53] <davetoo> Hub/master system is in North Carolina
[09-Nov-2009 10:36:20] <davetoo> One of the remote collectors is in CA, device in question is assigned to the monitor in CA
[09-Nov-2009 10:37:15] <davetoo> Two devices are assigned to the localhost monitor, so zenperfsnmp is running on the hub; somehow that zenperfsnmp daemon is sending events (snmp down) for a device that belogs to the remote collector
[09-Nov-2009 10:38:51] <davetoo> But my co-worker just blew up my experiment so I may never know exactly what was happening :|
[09-Nov-2009 10:39:12] <davetoo> (he deleted and re-added the device)
[09-Nov-2009 10:39:13] <ckrough> davetoo: I just created a ticket for problem with support
[09-Nov-2009 10:39:39] <ckrough> when a device get's re-IP;d, the old collector doesnt update and starts sending SNMP down events
[09-Nov-2009 10:40:07] <davetoo> possibly related but this is now how mine got to that state
[09-Nov-2009 10:43:44] <cgibbons> whatcha get if you run this from zendmd: for d in dmd.Monitors.Performance.localhost.getDevices(): print d.id
[09-Nov-2009 10:43:54] <cgibbons> (replace localhost with whatever collector in question you want to check)
[09-Nov-2009 10:44:29] <davetoo> will check but I do have a log message showing it fetcing configs for the only two devices assigned ot it
[09-Nov-2009 10:45:24] <davetoo> [ x.id for x in dmd.Monitors.Performance.localhost.getDevices() ] :)
[09-Nov-2009 10:45:33] <davetoo> got the two that I expected
[09-Nov-2009 10:45:38] <davetoo> and not the one with the false positives
[09-Nov-2009 10:45:50] <cgibbons> at least it's consistent
[09-Nov-2009 10:46:05] <davetoo> anyway we took a crowbar to it for now
[09-Nov-2009 10:46:13] <davetoo> deleted and re-added the device
[09-Nov-2009 10:46:45] <davetoo> but as I mentioned, for some reason the hub sent a delete message to that daemon; the hub doesn't just broadcast the deltes does it?
[09-Nov-2009 10:47:01] <davetoo> It sends them only to the assigned monitors/daemons, I'd hope
[09-Nov-2009 10:47:20] <cgibbons> it's got logic to detect if a database object is of interest to the remote subscriber in quetion
[09-Nov-2009 10:47:35] <davetoo> gotcha
[09-Nov-2009 10:47:50] <cgibbons> doesn't mean it works right :)
[09-Nov-2009 10:48:01] <davetoo> so somehow that daemon was subscribed to/observing that device
[09-Nov-2009 10:48:41] <davetoo> where's that info kept?
[09-Nov-2009 10:49:00] <davetoo> memory only?
[09-Nov-2009 10:49:14] <davetoo> love to find a way to see/dump that
[09-Nov-2009 10:50:11] <cgibbons> hrm doesn't look like we log that in zenhub directly, but there's a one-liner debug you could add
[09-Nov-2009 10:50:31] <davetoo> gimme :)
[09-Nov-2009 10:50:50] <cgibbons> check out PerformanceConfig.py at line 155
[09-Nov-2009 10:50:53] <cgibbons> the notifyAll function
[09-Nov-2009 10:51:29] <davetoo> I actually hack in a couple of new severity levels into the loggers in all my tools; one I call "TRACE" at '5'
[09-Nov-2009 10:51:30] <cgibbons> you could print out the getRelatedId, self.instance, and the device.id
[09-Nov-2009 10:51:33] <davetoo> be a good place for that
[09-Nov-2009 10:51:45] <davetoo> thanks
[09-Nov-2009 10:56:41] <davetoo> Now, to figure out where to change the default new-user configs
[09-Nov-2009 10:57:00] <davetoo> I need to change the default dashboartd layout
[09-Nov-2009 10:57:13] <davetoo> (but not lock them into one they can't change(
[09-Nov-2009 10:57:15] <davetoo> )
[09-Nov-2009 10:58:39] <jrock2004> If I install an zenpack how does it get added to a device? I checked the collector plugin and there is nothing there.
[09-Nov-2009 11:00:27] <rmatte> jrock2004: depends on how the zenpack works, not every ZenPack makes use of collector plugins
[09-Nov-2009 11:00:34] <rmatte> and of course he leaves
[09-Nov-2009 11:01:10] <mnandres> rmatte i modify but not working
[09-Nov-2009 11:01:16] <davetoo> heh
[09-Nov-2009 11:01:35] <rmatte> mnandres: you made sure to use the full OID like I said?
[09-Nov-2009 11:01:40] <rmatte> and you waited a full 3 polling cycles?
[09-Nov-2009 11:01:52] <mnandres> i modify de add source
[09-Nov-2009 11:02:07] <rmatte> you modified the OID on the data source you mean?
[09-Nov-2009 11:02:09] <mnandres> and put 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3812.0
[09-Nov-2009 11:02:26] <rmatte> if you do a test on the datasource what is the output?
[09-Nov-2009 11:02:28] <mnandres> yes
[09-Nov-2009 11:02:32] <mnandres> on data source
[09-Nov-2009 11:03:27] <mnandres> if i test
[09-Nov-2009 11:03:37] <mnandres> i dont have error
[09-Nov-2009 11:06:52] <rmatte> show me the output of the test
[09-Nov-2009 11:07:23] <mnandres> Executing command snmpwalk -cpublic -v1 172.16.40.232 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3812.0 against 172.16.40.232 DONE in 0 seconds
[09-Nov-2009 11:12:08] <mnandres> if del 3820.0 and i repeat test
[09-Nov-2009 11:12:11] <mnandres> i have
[09-Nov-2009 11:12:12] <mnandres> this
[09-Nov-2009 11:12:18] <mnandres> Executing command snmpwalk -cpublic -v1 172.16.40.232 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13 against 172.16.40.232 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3840.0 = INTEGER: 52 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3844.0 = INTEGER: 5 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3848.0 = INTEGER: 1 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3852.0 = INTEGER: 3 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3856.0 = INTEGER: 1 SN
[09-Nov-2009 11:12:30] <mnandres> all 38... change
[09-Nov-2009 11:29:19] <rmatte> etank: ah
[09-Nov-2009 11:30:02] <rmatte> eugh, he really need to learn about SNMP
[09-Nov-2009 11:30:13] <rmatte> it's hard to explain this sort of stuff to someone who has no SNMP experience
[09-Nov-2009 11:30:31] <rmatte> especially when their english isn't great
[09-Nov-2009 11:30:43] <etank> true
[09-Nov-2009 11:31:13] <Matias> hello, im back
[09-Nov-2009 11:31:16] <Matias> rmatte
[09-Nov-2009 11:31:17] Matias is now known as Guest87739
[09-Nov-2009 11:31:34] Guest87739 is now known as mnandres
[09-Nov-2009 11:32:08] <rmatte> hi
[09-Nov-2009 11:32:29] <rmatte> mnandres: yeh, the values are changing from device to device, what exactly do those values represent anyways?
[09-Nov-2009 11:32:35] <rmatte> mnandres: what are you trying to graph?
[09-Nov-2009 11:33:35] <mnandres> is a prube
[09-Nov-2009 11:33:49] <rmatte> a probe of what?
[09-Nov-2009 11:34:15] <mnandres> i try too understand how i get information
[09-Nov-2009 11:34:22] <mnandres> from device
[09-Nov-2009 11:34:26] <mnandres> using snmp
[09-Nov-2009 11:34:54] <mnandres> a graph with show how many copy printed
[09-Nov-2009 11:35:08] <rmatte> I'm asking you what you're trying to graph. It's obviously a tree of SNMP values which are not the same from device to device, and I have absolutely no idea why you'd be trying to graph non-consistent values
[09-Nov-2009 11:35:30] <rmatte> I see, and are you 100% positive that that's the right OID tree?
[09-Nov-2009 11:35:54] <mnandres> i take information form here
[09-Nov-2009 11:36:03] <mnandres> http://www.oidview.com/mibs/11/LaserJet-Series4000-MIB.html
[09-Nov-2009 11:36:23] <adytum-bot> Title: LaserJet-Series4000-MIB SNMP MIB (at www.oidview.com)
[09-Nov-2009 11:37:57] <rmatte> ok, so what you'd probably have to do is write a script which snmpwalks 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13, adds up all of the individual values, then outputs them, and use it as a command based datasource (which is probably too complex for you to do with your current experience)
[09-Nov-2009 11:38:33] <rmatte> It would have to output the data as: "|PAGES=78"
[09-Nov-2009 11:38:36] <rmatte> or whatever
[09-Nov-2009 11:39:31] <rmatte> look at my Windows SNMP Performance Monitor ZenPack for an example of how to use command based datasources
[09-Nov-2009 11:41:26] <QubeZ> I keep getting "Unable to read processes on device zenoss, Timeout on device" then it clears a few mins later. This keeps repeating. I've looked on the forums and people have received these messages on other servers but I'm getting this warning specifically for my Zenoss device
[09-Nov-2009 11:41:28] <mnandres> make crip
[09-Nov-2009 11:41:32] <mnandres> script
[09-Nov-2009 11:41:50] <QubeZ> mnandres you from Minnesota?
[09-Nov-2009 11:41:52] <mnandres> is too much complex for me
[09-Nov-2009 11:41:56] <davetoo> hah
[09-Nov-2009 11:41:56] <mnandres> nop
[09-Nov-2009 11:42:02] <mnandres> from argentina
[09-Nov-2009 11:42:14] <QubeZ> ahh ok
[09-Nov-2009 11:42:21] <mnandres> you?
[09-Nov-2009 11:42:23] <QubeZ> so anyone have insight on these process errors I'm getting?
[09-Nov-2009 11:42:41] <QubeZ> mnandres just moved to Florida from Minnesota. Noticed your "mn" in your nickname plus the *purple* in your irc ID
[09-Nov-2009 11:42:49] <QubeZ> figured you were a vikings fan or something hehe
[09-Nov-2009 11:44:41] mnandres is now known as Matias
[09-Nov-2009 11:44:54] Matias is now known as mandres
[09-Nov-2009 11:45:00] <davetoo> Eichmann
[09-Nov-2009 11:45:16] <mandres> now?
[09-Nov-2009 11:45:32] <mandres> QubeZ: now?
[09-Nov-2009 11:46:12] <QubeZ> now what?
[09-Nov-2009 11:46:40] <mandres> dont worry
[09-Nov-2009 11:57:58] <rmatte> QubeZ: zenprocess is really inefficient and from time to time you'll see that message, I get it too... is it only happening on one specific device?
[09-Nov-2009 11:58:28] <mandres> qubez quit
[09-Nov-2009 12:00:11] <rmatte> just noticed
[09-Nov-2009 12:11:24] <rmatte> Finally finished my ticket creation daemon for our ticketing system:
[09-Nov-2009 12:11:26] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/f557bdab8
[09-Nov-2009 12:11:36] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[09-Nov-2009 12:11:42] <rmatte> that's like a week's worth of research and development
[09-Nov-2009 12:13:10] <davetoo> When is your SEC plugin coming out? :)
[09-Nov-2009 12:13:39] <rmatte> haha
[09-Nov-2009 12:13:42] <davetoo> I'm getting ready to start thinking about syslog-ng and filtering, again.
[09-Nov-2009 12:13:50] <rmatte> that's somewhere near the end of the list
[09-Nov-2009 12:14:01] <davetoo> I may use m4 to build filters this time
[09-Nov-2009 12:14:26] <rmatte> yeh, but that's only good for syslogs
[09-Nov-2009 12:14:31] <davetoo> I'm sure there are some things better done in syslog-ng, and some better accomplished in SEC
[09-Nov-2009 12:14:32] <rmatte> how are you going to process other events?
[09-Nov-2009 12:14:44] <davetoo> this is only phase 1
[09-Nov-2009 12:14:57] <davetoo> phase 2 is to wait for your plugin :)
[09-Nov-2009 12:14:58] <rmatte> our SEC layer is going to have a CMDB with device relations backing it
[09-Nov-2009 12:15:04] <rmatte> so it's going to be quite advanced
[09-Nov-2009 12:15:16] <davetoo> nifty
[09-Nov-2009 12:15:37] <rmatte> I don't think we'll actually be able to release it as a "plugin" since it'll be based on a custom CMDB
[09-Nov-2009 12:15:48] <rmatte> but I can certainly pass on some of the more pertinent code
[09-Nov-2009 12:16:08] <rmatte> but that's quite a whiles away
[09-Nov-2009 12:29:40] <rmatte> well, time to test this daemon out and see if I can break it
[09-Nov-2009 12:33:06] <mandres> rmatte i try too understand your zenpack
[09-Nov-2009 12:33:11] <mandres> but i cant
[09-Nov-2009 12:33:22] <mandres> is too much for mi
[09-Nov-2009 12:36:39] <rmatte> then you're kind of out of luck for what you're trying to do
[09-Nov-2009 12:37:04] <rmatte> the SNMP OIDs are never going to be the same for that, so you need to write a script and use it with Zenoss or you won't be able to graph what you're hoping to graph
[09-Nov-2009 12:37:29] <mandres> im searching manul
[09-Nov-2009 12:37:31] <mandres> manual
[09-Nov-2009 12:37:51] <mandres> too understand how work and how use result
[09-Nov-2009 12:37:53] <rmatte> there's nothing in the manual that can help you with this...
[09-Nov-2009 12:38:04] <rmatte> that type of data needs to be collected by a script or a collector plugin
[09-Nov-2009 12:38:09] <rmatte> those are the only ways to do it
[09-Nov-2009 12:38:15] <mandres> and manual for snmp
[09-Nov-2009 12:45:19] <NewBee1> What is the best install centos. RPM or Stack installer? and why
[09-Nov-2009 12:46:44] <Troubadix09> rmatte: for newbee ... vmware-appliance?! ;-)
[09-Nov-2009 12:47:12] <mandres> i have vmware
[09-Nov-2009 12:47:15] <NewBee1> would be if they was a vmware compy. they are all hyper-v
[09-Nov-2009 12:47:18] <mandres> and work fine
[09-Nov-2009 12:47:47] <NewBee1> anyone have luck installing the vmware VHD on hyper-v?
[09-Nov-2009 12:48:16] <Troubadix09> NewBee: there is a VMWare Appliance with installed Zenoss from rpath on the Zenoss-download-Site
[09-Nov-2009 12:48:24] <rmatte> NewBee1: RPM install on CentOS, though I'm a huge fan of the stack installer personally
[09-Nov-2009 12:48:47] <rmatte> you could try the stack installer
[09-Nov-2009 12:48:54] <NewBee1> why do you like the stacks?
[09-Nov-2009 12:49:18] <rmatte> because it's braindead simple, installs everything you need and when you want to upgrade you just run the newer stack installer and it performs a flawless update
[09-Nov-2009 12:49:21] <rmatte> it's just less hassle
[09-Nov-2009 12:49:26] <rmatte> but the RPMs are probably similar
[09-Nov-2009 12:49:32] <rmatte> I've just never tried them
[09-Nov-2009 12:52:59] <Troubadix09> NewBee1: The VMware-Appliance is good for Evaluation, Demo and destroying with own Test ;-)
[09-Nov-2009 12:53:30] <Troubadix09> Test=Tests
[09-Nov-2009 12:54:02] <rmatte> yeh, I would never use the VM appliance for production
[09-Nov-2009 12:54:14] <NewBee1> ya i also though that the stack was slower.
[09-Nov-2009 12:54:23] <rmatte> slower?
[09-Nov-2009 12:54:30] <rmatte> to install, you mean?
[09-Nov-2009 12:54:52] <rmatte> it's probably a little slower but it's honestly not bad
[09-Nov-2009 12:54:54] <jrock2004> I am running Apache/MySQL zenpack. I looked at my collector plugins and I do not see anything for apache or mysql. I keep getting events for cannot connect to MySQL server and an apache even for server status
[09-Nov-2009 12:55:01] <Troubadix09> rmatte: But it work :)
[09-Nov-2009 12:55:05] <NewBee1> Yes slower. if i recall it didn't use the mysql database very will.
[09-Nov-2009 12:55:07] <rmatte> it's not slower performancewise, there's no difference
[09-Nov-2009 12:55:10] <jrock2004> I have waited for 2 hours and I still am getting them
[09-Nov-2009 12:55:37] <rmatte> NewBee1: I have 9 Zenoss production boxes running off the stack installer and the performance is perfectly fine
[09-Nov-2009 12:55:54] <rmatte> NewBee1: If there's any bottleneck for the performance it's Zope, certainly not MySQL
[09-Nov-2009 12:56:05] <Troubadix09> rmatte: with your own tuning or without?
[09-Nov-2009 12:56:23] <rmatte> I did minor tuning, but I didn't touch MySQL at all, it's stock from the stack installer
[09-Nov-2009 12:56:45] <rmatte> I did this: docs/DOC-2521
[09-Nov-2009 12:56:52] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - How to tweak zenoss (at community.zenoss.org)
[09-Nov-2009 12:56:53] <rmatte> to improve zope and daemon performance
[09-Nov-2009 12:56:53] <NewBee1> what did you tune?
[09-Nov-2009 12:57:05] <rmatte> since I have some pretty beefy boxes
[09-Nov-2009 12:57:26] <rmatte> I set workers to 4 for zenhub though, not 8
[09-Nov-2009 12:57:40] <rmatte> and I didn't do any of the MySQL changes
[09-Nov-2009 12:57:50] <rmatte> though I'm sure those tweaks would help, I just don't find that they are necessary
[09-Nov-2009 12:57:55] <krphop> zen is shit
[09-Nov-2009 12:58:10] <rmatte> ?
[09-Nov-2009 12:58:19] <rmatte> krphop: as opposed to what?
[09-Nov-2009 12:58:20] <krphop> its shit
[09-Nov-2009 12:58:34] <krphop> depending on what you need, kvm, virtual box, and OpenVZ
[09-Nov-2009 12:58:57] <cwj> you mean xen
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:03] <rmatte> yeh, you mean xen
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:04] <rmatte> not zen
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:10] <rmatte> I was like "wtf is he talking about?"
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:11] <krphop> heh,
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:17] * krphop goes to get coffee
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:23] <rmatte> yeh, xen, that's Citrix's baby
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:24] <NewBee1> LOL worng room for that mix up. :-D
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:27] <cwj> heheh
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:30] <rmatte> yeh, really
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:39] <cwj> well its citrix's adopted baby
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:45] <rmatte> ESXi is always nice
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:52] <krphop> oh wow, yeah even the wrong channel
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:53] <krphop> lol
[09-Nov-2009 13:00:06] <cwj> i am somewhat pleased with vSphere 4
[09-Nov-2009 13:00:38] <rmatte> yeah, we're running vSphere 4 here and it's been quite good
[09-Nov-2009 13:08:24] <NewBee1> WOW 2.5 events looks nice.
[09-Nov-2009 13:08:43] <NewBee1> is 2.5 read for production?
[09-Nov-2009 13:09:29] <mrayzenoss> yeah, it's ready with a couple of these patches: http://tr.im/trac_2_5_1
[09-Nov-2009 13:13:39] <NewBee1> I'm sorry to ask again. what is the best way to patch a centos RPM install.
[09-Nov-2009 13:14:52] <mrayzenoss> so if you're looking at a ticket and you see in the comments something along the lines of "Backporting http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/changeset/15588 to the 2.5.x branch."
[09-Nov-2009 13:15:02] <mrayzenoss> you'll use 'zenpatch 155588'
[09-Nov-2009 13:15:13] <mrayzenoss> as the zenoss user from your $ZENHOME directory
[09-Nov-2009 13:15:21] <NewBee1> got it thank you
[09-Nov-2009 13:15:26] <mrayzenoss> where 15588 is the number of the patch from SVN
[09-Nov-2009 13:15:41] <mrayzenoss> you'll usually want to stop Zenoss and restart after applying the patch
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:05] <rmatte> you don't even have to do it in the $ZENHOME directory
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:06] <mrayzenoss> that URL is the list of tickets currently targeted at the next maintenance release of Zenoss 2.5.X, the current stable branch
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:10] <rmatte> doesn't matter where you run zenpatch from
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:18] <mrayzenoss> guess it's just a habit
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:21] <rmatte> hehe
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:42] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: I finally finished my ticket creation daemon :)
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:47] <mrayzenoss> saw that
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:49] <mrayzenoss> cool
[09-Nov-2009 13:17:02] <rmatte> I'll probably still have to add a few things but it's pretty much done
[09-Nov-2009 13:17:09] <rmatte> can't wait to get it out to our prod boxes
[09-Nov-2009 13:18:49] <jrock2004> rmatte: do you hve 2.5 in prod anywhere or are you statying with 2.4
[09-Nov-2009 13:19:35] <rmatte> jrock2004: all our prod stuff is 2.4.5 with some patches: docs/DOC-4434
[09-Nov-2009 13:19:42] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Post-2.4.5 Patches (at community.zenoss.org)
[09-Nov-2009 13:19:51] <rmatte> I'm waiting for some stuff to get fixed in 2.5 before I switch to that for prod
[09-Nov-2009 13:22:34] <jrock2004> Yeah I think the issues I was having earlier was due to running 2.5
[09-Nov-2009 13:22:47] <jrock2004> So maybe I will switch back to 2.4.5 and apply those patches
[09-Nov-2009 13:23:21] <rmatte> what issues?
[09-Nov-2009 13:23:59] <jrock2004> It is applying the apache and mysql zenpacks I installed to devices that it should not
[09-Nov-2009 13:24:09] <jrock2004> It might be more of an issue on the zenpack then zenoss
[09-Nov-2009 13:25:23] <jrock2004> I am getting errors from /App/Apache
[09-Nov-2009 13:25:29] <jrock2004> and /App/Mysql
[09-Nov-2009 13:25:56] <jrock2004> Not all my linux devices run apache and mysql
[09-Nov-2009 13:27:07] <rmatte> well, you probably just need to unbind it from the /Server/Linux group and then selectively bind it to what you need it on
[09-Nov-2009 13:27:16] <rmatte> same goes for collector plugins
[09-Nov-2009 13:27:32] <rmatte> I doubt that had anything to do with 2.5
[09-Nov-2009 13:27:35] <rmatte> but it's possible
[09-Nov-2009 13:27:43] <jrock2004> well the apache and mysql zenpack does not come with collector plugins just templates
[09-Nov-2009 13:27:53] <rmatte> ah
[09-Nov-2009 13:28:15] <rmatte> then yeh, it's probably bound to the actual device group
[09-Nov-2009 13:28:17] <jrock2004> so I removed the templates from the device itself and it still failes
[09-Nov-2009 13:28:27] <rmatte> you'd have to unbind it from the group and then selectively bind it to what you need it on
[09-Nov-2009 13:28:50] <rmatte> it's failing on modelling though you said
[09-Nov-2009 13:28:59] <rmatte> and templates aren't used when modelling, only collector plugins
[09-Nov-2009 13:29:19] <jrock2004> well here is a structure question
[09-Nov-2009 13:29:37] <jrock2004> I put all my linux boxes under system/linux
[09-Nov-2009 13:30:00] <jrock2004> should I create structure under that or is that pretty much how you do it
[09-Nov-2009 13:32:37] <rmatte> that's pretty much how you do it
[09-Nov-2009 13:32:46] <rmatte> but if you wanted you could create structure under it
[09-Nov-2009 13:32:52] <rmatte> for different types of linux servers
[09-Nov-2009 13:33:04] <rmatte> that way you'd just be able to drop them in the appropriate group depending on what they are
[09-Nov-2009 13:33:12] <rmatte> and you wouldn't have to bind templates to each individual device
[09-Nov-2009 13:33:18] <rmatte> it really depends on how you want to do it
[09-Nov-2009 13:35:25] <jrock2004> ok
[09-Nov-2009 13:41:45] <jrock2004> Does the admin doc show you the structure for locations? It is address city, state zipcode
[09-Nov-2009 13:41:49] <jrock2004> ?
[09-Nov-2009 13:42:02] <mrayzenoss> it's whatever Google Maps will take
[09-Nov-2009 13:42:11] <mrayzenoss> so you can do whatever you want for Addresses
[09-Nov-2009 13:42:17] <mrayzenoss> err, Locations
[09-Nov-2009 13:42:35] <mrayzenoss> I use /Austin and /Annapolis
[09-Nov-2009 13:42:55] <jrock2004> and in Austin do you have sub locations in them?
[09-Nov-2009 13:43:06] <mrayzenoss> nope, but I could if I needed
[09-Nov-2009 13:43:25] <rmatte> I just do full addresses right at the top, since I need to be able to show a map with every location on it
[09-Nov-2009 13:43:35] <jrock2004> Then on the google map it would shouly you all the locations and sub locations?
[09-Nov-2009 13:43:48] <rmatte> you only see the locations at the level that you're looking at
[09-Nov-2009 13:43:54] <mrayzenoss> just the top-level, not the sub locations
[09-Nov-2009 13:43:55] <rmatte> hence why I don't do levels when it comes to locations
[09-Nov-2009 13:44:21] <mrayzenoss> you can get a nice map like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zenoss/2870405569/
[09-Nov-2009 13:44:24] <jrock2004> ok so make a top level location for each building you want
[09-Nov-2009 13:44:28] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss in France on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com)
[09-Nov-2009 13:44:59] <rmatte> jrock2004: that's how I do it
[09-Nov-2009 13:45:10] <jrock2004> I think I will follow you
[09-Nov-2009 13:45:13] <rmatte> jrock2004: I name them by the full address
[09-Nov-2009 13:45:25] <rmatte> jrock2004: Here's one of our maps for example: http://dmon.org/graphics/zenoss/gen2.png
[09-Nov-2009 13:45:46] <rmatte> and another: http://dmon.org/graphics/zenoss/arm.png
[09-Nov-2009 13:46:25] <mrayzenoss> "Northeast Canada's NOC Solution!"
[09-Nov-2009 13:46:35] <rmatte> ?
[09-Nov-2009 13:46:53] <mrayzenoss> just a caption for the second one :)
[09-Nov-2009 13:46:58] <rmatte> hehe
[09-Nov-2009 13:47:02] <mrayzenoss> I guess that's just East Canada
[09-Nov-2009 13:47:28] <rmatte> looks more like maritime thermonuclear war
[09-Nov-2009 13:47:53] <rmatte> that's lower eastern canada
[09-Nov-2009 13:47:55] <mrayzenoss> I blame the Newfies
[09-Nov-2009 13:48:11] <rmatte> newfoundland, nova scotia, and new brunswick
[09-Nov-2009 13:48:25] <rmatte> we actually have a newfy who works here hehe
[09-Nov-2009 13:48:40] <mrayzenoss> the nickname is about all I know about Newfoundland
[09-Nov-2009 13:48:47] * mrayzenoss is a graduate of US public schools
[09-Nov-2009 13:48:53] <rmatte> hehe
[09-Nov-2009 13:49:17] <ckrough> we're going to Canada for some French Fries and gravy, sir
[09-Nov-2009 13:49:27] <rmatte> Poutine
[09-Nov-2009 13:49:37] <ckrough> almost made it
[09-Nov-2009 13:49:37] <rmatte> actually, I think I'll go get some of that for lunch right now
[09-Nov-2009 13:49:48] <jrock2004> thanks rmatte
[09-Nov-2009 13:49:56] <rmatte> jrock2004: np
[09-Nov-2009 13:50:51] <rmatte> super troopers is the best movie ever
[09-Nov-2009 13:51:16] <rmatte> omg, they are apparently making a second one
[09-Nov-2009 13:51:20] <rmatte> due out in 2011
[09-Nov-2009 13:51:33] <mrayzenoss> I thought they already did a straight to video sequel
[09-Nov-2009 13:51:37] <jrock2004> that was a pretty funny movie
[09-Nov-2009 13:51:50] <mrayzenoss> oh wait, that was Starship Troopers
[09-Nov-2009 13:51:54] <rmatte> not according to this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0859635/
[09-Nov-2009 13:52:01] <adytum-bot> Title: Super Troopers 2 (2011) (at www.imdb.com)
[09-Nov-2009 13:52:08] <rmatte> yeh, the sequel to starship troopers was garbage
[09-Nov-2009 13:52:42] <mrayzenoss> wow, there was a third one too
[09-Nov-2009 13:52:57] <rmatte> yeh, unfortunately
[09-Nov-2009 13:53:03] <rmatte> the third was worse than the second
[09-Nov-2009 13:53:05] <rmatte> lol
[09-Nov-2009 13:54:40] <mrayzenoss> hmm… I feel like playing Starcraft now for some reason
[09-Nov-2009 13:59:10] <mrayzenoss> ok, question for product managemant… after Cisco and Juniper… what's the most popular network hardware vendor?
[09-Nov-2009 13:59:18] <mrayzenoss> HP… and then who?
[09-Nov-2009 13:59:39] <mrayzenoss> I figure those 3 are about 90%, any other opinions (or even better, facts)?
[09-Nov-2009 14:00:15] <rmatte> hehe
[09-Nov-2009 14:00:32] <rmatte> hmmm, that's a good question
[09-Nov-2009 14:01:01] <mrayzenoss> he was asking about 3com, I thought they were mostly consumer stuff but apparently I'm wrong (looking at their website)
[09-Nov-2009 14:01:16] <rmatte> 3com is mostly consumer and they are dying out
[09-Nov-2009 14:01:30] <rmatte> Linksys is way more popular than 3com for consumer stuff, but they are owned by Cisco
[09-Nov-2009 14:01:47] <rmatte> maybe SMC
[09-Nov-2009 14:01:50] <rmatte> or Fortinet
[09-Nov-2009 14:02:01] <jb> netgear for small shops
[09-Nov-2009 14:03:00] <rmatte> I would say Nortel but they are bankrupt
[09-Nov-2009 14:03:05] <rmatte> so they are out of the picture
[09-Nov-2009 14:05:20] <kobalt> so if something messed up with the patches and I wanted to roll back to default with no patches (2.5.0 Centos RPM install) is there a easy way to do that
[09-Nov-2009 14:05:47] <rmatte> kobalt: you'd have to reinstall to 2.5
[09-Nov-2009 14:05:59] <rmatte> kobalt: there's no easy way to just roll all patches back
[09-Nov-2009 14:06:16] <kobalt> rmatte: so I tried that and it gave me a error
[09-Nov-2009 14:06:18] <mrayzenoss> you should have a list of all the patches you've applied on the filesystem...
[09-Nov-2009 14:07:03] <kobalt> mrayzenoss: where is that list since I was a bad admin and didnt write them down lol
[09-Nov-2009 14:07:26] <mrayzenoss> kobalt: $ZENHOME/Products
[09-Nov-2009 14:07:44] <mrayzenoss> you'll see a list like "r15681.patch r15683.patch"
[09-Nov-2009 14:08:16] <mrayzenoss> if you're handy with wget and patch, you should be able to reverse those patches
[09-Nov-2009 14:08:36] <kobalt> and to roll them back? I have not got zenpatch XXXXXX -R
[09-Nov-2009 14:08:51] <kobalt> err tried and it does not
[09-Nov-2009 14:11:22] <mrayzenoss> is -R a working flag? I hadn't seen that
[09-Nov-2009 14:11:50] <kobalt> I thought I had read it somewhere I guess not
[09-Nov-2009 14:12:16] <kobalt> so If I do zenpatch xxxxx and it has it installed it will prompt me to remove the patch?
[09-Nov-2009 14:13:23] <mrayzenoss> hmm… apparently it does
[09-Nov-2009 14:13:38] <mrayzenoss> I guess you could do that with all the patches listed in Products/
[09-Nov-2009 14:13:42] <mrayzenoss> in reverse order
[09-Nov-2009 14:13:58] <mrayzenoss> interesting, I learned 2 things about zenpatch today :)
[09-Nov-2009 14:15:51] <aclark> mrayzenoss! community day was *awesome* thank you guys
[09-Nov-2009 14:16:35] <mrayzenoss> glad you enjoyed it, wish I could have made it
[09-Nov-2009 14:21:16] <jrock2004> where is the best place to troubleshoot getting timeout on snmpwalk command?
[09-Nov-2009 14:21:23] <rmatte> I'll have to save out and come out to at least 1 Zenoss event
[09-Nov-2009 14:21:31] <rmatte> s/save out/save up
[09-Nov-2009 14:21:52] <mrayzenoss> the next event is SCALE in Feb
[09-Nov-2009 14:21:57] <mrayzenoss> possibly Pycon
[09-Nov-2009 14:23:51] <jrock2004> why would my snmp be starting up and showing 127.0.0.1
[09-Nov-2009 14:24:17] <jrock2004> do I have to add something to my snmpd.conf to not show that localhost address
[09-Nov-2009 14:27:52] <rmatte> what do you mean that it's showing that
[09-Nov-2009 14:27:55] <rmatte> where are you seeing it?
[09-Nov-2009 14:28:25] <jrock2004> I found it. I have to edit the /etc/default/snmpd file and remove the 127.0.0.1
[09-Nov-2009 14:28:31] <rmatte> ah
[09-Nov-2009 14:28:40] <jrock2004> snmpd was starting to allow only connections on localhost
[09-Nov-2009 14:29:00] <aclark> mrayzenoss: now that i think about it i should have submitted a Zenoss talk to PyCon, unfortunately I don't know enough about it yet ;-)
[09-Nov-2009 14:29:17] * aclark 's Plone talk got cut
[09-Nov-2009 14:29:33] <kobalt> yay fixed it lol
[09-Nov-2009 14:29:52] <mrayzenoss> yeah, Ian had an ExtJS/Zope talk that got cut too
[09-Nov-2009 14:34:19] <jrock2004> Have you guys heard of people complaining that remodeling a device is taking some time to do?
[09-Nov-2009 14:34:29] <jrock2004> At least in 2.5
[09-Nov-2009 14:34:48] <jrock2004> In 2.4 it was faster but now it is taking a minute or 2 to remodel a device
[09-Nov-2009 14:35:08] <mrayzenoss> I haven't heard that… maybe I missed that on the forums
[09-Nov-2009 14:36:27] <jrock2004> Scan time: 176.82 seconds
[09-Nov-2009 14:36:29] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: whenever you post about your ticket script, mention it to this guy will ya? message/41826#41826
[09-Nov-2009 14:36:36] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Menu Item action: Selecting Multiple... (at community.zenoss.org)
[09-Nov-2009 14:37:04] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: will do
[09-Nov-2009 14:37:28] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: althought it looks like he's actually altering the event console, which is not what we did
[09-Nov-2009 14:39:04] <mrayzenoss> yeah, I'm trying to direct him away from that idea and get him into doing it via scripting
[09-Nov-2009 14:39:36] <jb> matt.. whats up with the funky characters?
[09-Nov-2009 14:39:42] <mrayzenoss> where?
[09-Nov-2009 14:39:43] <jb> i don't think its my terminal
[09-Nov-2009 14:39:50] <jb> <@mrayzenoss:#zenoss> I haven't heard &that
[09-Nov-2009 14:39:53] <mdereus> He's on a Mac. ;)
[09-Nov-2009 14:40:06] <mrayzenoss> only for the last year and a half
[09-Nov-2009 14:40:15] <jb> it just started a couple of weeks ago
[09-Nov-2009 14:40:40] <mrayzenoss> hmm… I'm on a beta of Adium
[09-Nov-2009 14:40:47] <jb> there it is again
[09-Nov-2009 14:40:50] <jb> <@mrayzenoss> & I'm on a beta of Adiumhmm
[09-Nov-2009 14:41:33] <jrock2004> Mac's rule :)
[09-Nov-2009 14:42:07] <jb> http://thunder.jbdesign.net/~jbaird/zenoss/matt.jpg
[09-Nov-2009 14:42:37] <mrayzenoss> is it just me?
[09-Nov-2009 14:42:41] <jb> yep
[09-Nov-2009 14:42:49] <jb> nobody else sees this?
[09-Nov-2009 14:42:58] <mrayzenoss> first I've heard of it
[09-Nov-2009 14:43:44] <mdereus> <mrayzenoss> hmm… I'm on a beta of Adium
[09-Nov-2009 14:43:46] <mdereus> that's what I see
[09-Nov-2009 14:43:50] <jb> yep
[09-Nov-2009 14:46:26] <mrayzenoss> I can't find anything weird on my side… standard font, no encodings that I can find
[09-Nov-2009 14:46:37] <jb> there it is again :)
[09-Nov-2009 14:48:23] <mrayzenoss> making me all self conscious… I guess I'll have to talk less :p
[09-Nov-2009 14:51:48] <kobalt> looks find in xchat2
[09-Nov-2009 14:52:07] <jrock2004> looks fine in colloquy as well
[09-Nov-2009 14:52:09] <rmatte> There, I responded: message/41827#41827
[09-Nov-2009 14:52:15] <mrayzenoss> saw that, thanks
[09-Nov-2009 14:52:15] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Menu Item action: Selecting Multiple... (at community.zenoss.org)
[09-Nov-2009 14:52:27] <mrayzenoss> BTW, I added the ability to use images in forum posts over the weekend
[09-Nov-2009 14:52:42] <mrayzenoss> someone was asking for it late Friday
[09-Nov-2009 14:52:52] <rmatte> mdereus: actually, I see those as question marks surrounded by a white diamond shape
[09-Nov-2009 14:55:40] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=nz0sub&s=4
[09-Nov-2009 14:55:49] <rmatte> apparently it's just us console client users who are seeing it
[09-Nov-2009 14:55:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting (at tinypic.com)
[09-Nov-2009 14:56:07] <jrock2004> when modeling one of my devices, once done getting this issue up top under Discover Devices http://pastebin.ca/1663945
[09-Nov-2009 14:56:14] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Anonymous - post number 1663945 (at pastebin.ca)
[09-Nov-2009 14:57:54] <rmatte> jrock2004: you upgraded to 2.5 recently?
[09-Nov-2009 14:58:20] <jrock2004> rmatte: I did but what I did was actually uninstalled it and installed the package for 2.5 directly
[09-Nov-2009 14:59:07] <jrock2004> when I uninstalled I renamed the zenoss directory to something else before install 2.5
[09-Nov-2009 14:59:28] <jrock2004> was that a mistake?
[09-Nov-2009 14:59:29] <rmatte> hmmm
[09-Nov-2009 14:59:43] <rmatte> well, something is not installed right lol
[09-Nov-2009 14:59:51] <rmatte> were you starting from scratch?
[09-Nov-2009 14:59:57] <jrock2004> I was trying to
[09-Nov-2009 15:00:06] <rmatte> you didn't install the WMI Data Source 1.1 ZenPack did you?
[09-Nov-2009 15:00:09] <jrock2004> I did not get far should I try reinstall again
[09-Nov-2009 15:00:22] <jrock2004> when I went the upgrade path or regular install no
[09-Nov-2009 15:00:36] <rmatte> try installing it again
[09-Nov-2009 15:00:42] <rmatte> do a proper uninstall and install
[09-Nov-2009 15:00:58] <jrock2004> ok do I need to dump the db before I uninstall?
[09-Nov-2009 15:02:44] <rmatte> if you want to save stuff then yeh
[09-Nov-2009 15:02:57] <jrock2004> no at this point no
[09-Nov-2009 15:03:07] <rmatte> ok, just kill it all then
[09-Nov-2009 15:04:05] <jrock2004> I am reading a helpto and it says I need to delete the zenoss mysql db. Is this correct?
[09-Nov-2009 15:04:19] <rmatte> yeh
[09-Nov-2009 15:04:23] <rmatte> it should create a new one
[09-Nov-2009 15:04:34] <rmatte> though I've never done an RPM install, I prefer stack
[09-Nov-2009 15:04:48] <jrock2004> I did the stack with the .deb
[09-Nov-2009 15:05:11] <rmatte> then it should remove the MySQL db when you run the uninstall script
[09-Nov-2009 15:05:16] <rmatte> do /usr/local/zenoss/uninstall
[09-Nov-2009 15:05:21] <rmatte> then delete /usr/local/zenoss
[09-Nov-2009 15:05:26] <rmatte> then run the stack installer again
[09-Nov-2009 15:05:56] <jrock2004> there is no uninstall
[09-Nov-2009 15:05:56] <rmatte> I don't bother with the .deb personally
[09-Nov-2009 15:06:08] <rmatte> ah, then do apt-get remove zenoss or whatever
[09-Nov-2009 15:08:38] <jrock2004> ok so I did that and removed the zenoss dir
[09-Nov-2009 15:08:58] * jrock2004 will install zenoss-stack_2.5.0_x64.deb
[09-Nov-2009 15:09:39] <kobalt> odd question is there any setting to default the event browser to, aka click on event console, and have it default to only showing new
[09-Nov-2009 15:09:43] <kobalt> in 2.5
[09-Nov-2009 15:13:40] <rmatte> kobalt: not globally, but per user yes
[09-Nov-2009 15:14:41] <rmatte> kobalt: you configure what you want to see as the default, then go to the configure menu and click "Save this configuration"
[09-Nov-2009 15:14:46] <jrock2004> Do you get better information from snmp or ssh?
[09-Nov-2009 15:15:03] <rmatte> kobalt: if you want to restore it to defaults you go to the config menu and select "Restore defaults"
[09-Nov-2009 15:15:11] <rmatte> jrock2004: depends on what kind of info you want to collect
[09-Nov-2009 15:15:27] <rmatte> jrock2004: it is possible to do a mixture of both
[09-Nov-2009 15:16:14] <jrock2004> Well I am curious cause usually when I add a device I add a mix of both and am wondering if that is a mistake
[09-Nov-2009 15:16:37] <rmatte> jrock2004: nah, you can mix stuff as long as they aren't causing issues
[09-Nov-2009 15:17:37] <jrock2004> now once I install is there anything I should check before I start adding devices?
[09-Nov-2009 15:17:51] <rmatte> eugh, they removed the option to hide filters
[09-Nov-2009 15:18:03] <rmatte> jrock2004: just make sure all of the daemons are running
[09-Nov-2009 15:18:09] <rmatte> jrock2004: that's about it
[09-Nov-2009 15:18:13] <kobalt> rmatte: cool that works
[09-Nov-2009 15:19:08] <jrock2004> rmatte: all green circles so that should be good
[09-Nov-2009 15:19:48] <kobalt> I did find that if you tell it not to show anything it does not like it I accidently clicked off new and ack and it threw an error
[09-Nov-2009 15:20:11] <rmatte> jrock2004: more foolproof way is to execute "zenoss status" as zenoss user
[09-Nov-2009 15:20:37] <rmatte> kobalt: sounds like a bug
[09-Nov-2009 15:21:35] <kobalt> rmatte: yeah not a huge one but yeah it should just give a blank console
[09-Nov-2009 15:21:50] <rmatte> yup
[09-Nov-2009 15:21:59] <rmatte> well, what kind of "error" is it throwing?
[09-Nov-2009 15:22:08] <kobalt> Error connecting to server
[09-Nov-2009 15:22:13] <rmatte> ah
[09-Nov-2009 15:22:14] <kobalt> in a message box
[09-Nov-2009 15:24:56] <rmatte> oh well
[09-Nov-2009 15:25:04] <rmatte> that's not super bad, but you could log it as a bug in Trac
[09-Nov-2009 15:26:35] <jrock2004> rmatte: I figured out which plugin is slowing me down in zenoss. Its the portscan one
[09-Nov-2009 15:27:26] <rmatte> ah
[09-Nov-2009 15:27:36] <rmatte> well, portscans do take a while obviously
[09-Nov-2009 15:34:42] <jrock2004> well in 2.4 it was not taking that long but maybe it did and I did not notice it
[09-Nov-2009 15:35:40] <rmatte> models vary in speed from device to device
[09-Nov-2009 15:35:48] <rmatte> if a device is unreachable modelling takes absolutely forever
[09-Nov-2009 15:35:52] <rmatte> for instance
[09-Nov-2009 15:35:58] <rmatte> depends on the state of the device
[09-Nov-2009 15:36:29] <rmatte> man, Google is really doing it up with this 40th anniversary of Sesame Street
[09-Nov-2009 15:36:29] <rmatte> lol
[09-Nov-2009 15:36:57] <kisielk> man, clearing out events takes a long time if you can't use the Event Console :/
[09-Nov-2009 15:37:28] <rmatte> define "clearing out events"
[09-Nov-2009 15:37:54] <kisielk> moving to history, mass acknowledge
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:03] <rmatte> well, how are you doing it?
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:05] <kisielk> if you don't have a global event console, and have to go through like 100 machines, it takes forever
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:06] <rmatte> it should be no slower
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:13] <kisielk> well, going to each machine's event console
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:13] <rmatte> oh
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:19] <rmatte> you're doing it on multiple machines
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:23] <kisielk> yeah
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:24] <rmatte> ah
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:36] <rmatte> are you just moving them all to history or only certain ones?
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:49] <kisielk> well, the ones I don't really care about
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:55] <rmatte> I see
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:57] <kisielk> I posted a thread to the forum about my broken global event console
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:59] <kisielk> but so far no fix
[09-Nov-2009 15:39:16] <rmatte> when did it break?
[09-Nov-2009 15:39:26] <kisielk> some time after the 2.5 upgrade
[09-Nov-2009 15:39:29] <kisielk> it worked for the first while
[09-Nov-2009 15:39:34] <kisielk> but no longer works
[09-Nov-2009 15:39:35] <rmatte> hmmm
[09-Nov-2009 15:39:45] <rmatte> that sucks
[09-Nov-2009 15:39:56] <kisielk> really not pleased with how our Zenoss is running right now
[09-Nov-2009 15:40:07] <kisielk> I mean, it still works for the most part, but is a real bitch to deal with
[09-Nov-2009 15:42:03] <rmatte> sounds like it
[09-Nov-2009 15:42:08] <rmatte> all our stuff is running mint
[09-Nov-2009 15:42:17] <rmatte> (for once)
[09-Nov-2009 15:42:29] <rmatte> so I shall not be doing any upgrades until I am totally satisfied with 2.5
[09-Nov-2009 15:42:49] <jrock2004> rmatte: Is that not when they release 2.6 :)
[09-Nov-2009 15:46:30] <NewBee1> if i wanted to create a graph of the filesystem that showed MB not Blocks. what would i do? I'm trying to put this in the RPN feid
[09-Nov-2009 15:46:30] <NewBee1> ${here/usedBlocks},${here/zFileSystemSizeOffset},*
[09-Nov-2009 15:46:34] <rmatte> jrock2004: nah
[09-Nov-2009 15:46:41] <rmatte> jrock2004: probably around 2.5.3 or something
[09-Nov-2009 15:48:59] <rmatte> NewBee1: not sure, never tried that
[09-Nov-2009 15:49:24] <rmatte> NewBee1: although it looks like you're probably missing something there, since the size offset isn't the same thing as units
[09-Nov-2009 15:49:39] <rmatte> you need to factor the block size in somehow
[09-Nov-2009 15:50:02] <NewBee1> I thought that was the block size
[09-Nov-2009 15:50:21] <rmatte> not happy with just displaying it as a percentage?
[09-Nov-2009 15:50:23] <rmatte> no
[09-Nov-2009 15:50:40] <rmatte> zFileSystemSizeOffset is something that's used because of the differences between windows and Linux filesystems
[09-Nov-2009 15:51:07] <NewBee1> well I'm still working on getting thresholds for 500MB ect. not 90%...
[09-Nov-2009 15:51:11] <rmatte> without that you could have Zenoss showing a disk at 95% utilization while meanwhile it's full
[09-Nov-2009 15:51:23] <rmatte> as the other 5% is used up by the filesystem but not taken in to account by df
[09-Nov-2009 15:51:29] <NewBee1> aaah right.
[09-Nov-2009 15:51:30] <NewBee1> ok
[09-Nov-2009 15:52:04] <NewBee1> where can i get the totalblock vars?
[09-Nov-2009 15:52:17] <NewBee1> is it in one ofthe python files?
[09-Nov-2009 15:52:19] <rmatte> ${here/getTotalBlocks}
[09-Nov-2009 15:52:54] <rmatte> not sure about blocksize though
[09-Nov-2009 15:55:23] <rmatte> block size is probably 4096 or something
[09-Nov-2009 15:55:39] <rmatte> you could try ${here/getBlockSize
[09-Nov-2009 15:55:57] <rmatte> ah nevermind, got it
[09-Nov-2009 15:56:07] <rmatte> ${here/blockSize}
[09-Nov-2009 15:57:19] <NewBee1> i dont get why the utilzationRPN is ${here/getTotalBlocks},/,100,*
[09-Nov-2009 15:57:29] <NewBee1> that is block/100
[09-Nov-2009 15:57:42] <NewBee1> what is the * for?
[09-Nov-2009 15:57:42] <rmatte> I'll explain...
[09-Nov-2009 15:58:08] <NewBee1> i know it's Reverse Polish notation
[09-Nov-2009 15:58:12] <rmatte> ok, so first thing to know is that RPN is backwards
[09-Nov-2009 15:58:21] <NewBee1> but i just don't know RPN well.
[09-Nov-2009 15:58:35] <rmatte> so ${here/getTotalBlocks},/,100,* is actually " 100 / ${here/getTotalBlocks}"
[09-Nov-2009 15:58:54] <rmatte> now the other thing to understand is that the datapoint that you're doing the RPN for automatically gets appended at the end
[09-Nov-2009 15:59:17] <rmatte> so in reality it's actually: ${here/getTotalBlocks},/,100,*,usedBlocks
[09-Nov-2009 15:59:22] <NewBee1> appended?
[09-Nov-2009 15:59:28] <rmatte> or usedBlocks * 100 / ${here/getTotalBlocks}
[09-Nov-2009 15:59:43] <NewBee1> ugh
[09-Nov-2009 15:59:45] <rmatte> I might be a bit off there actually
[09-Nov-2009 16:00:04] <rmatte> but yeh, the RPN statement appends to the datapoint
[09-Nov-2009 16:00:28] <rmatte> so you're essentially using it twice in your RPN without knowing it
[09-Nov-2009 16:01:11] <NewBee1> so i need something more like blockSize.*
[09-Nov-2009 16:01:41] <rmatte> yes
[09-Nov-2009 16:01:41] <NewBee1> look at that it worked...
[09-Nov-2009 16:01:59] <rmatte> you're working with blocks, so you need to divide by blocksize to get it in bytes for starters
[09-Nov-2009 16:02:12] <rmatte> or bits I believe rather
[09-Nov-2009 16:02:15] <rmatte> and then go from there
[09-Nov-2009 16:02:27] <rmatte> 4096 blocks should be 1 bit I believe
[09-Nov-2009 16:02:36] <NewBee1> Some times i don't know what the guys at zenoss where on...
[09-Nov-2009 16:02:48] <rmatte> lol
[09-Nov-2009 16:03:22] <rmatte> well, if there's one thing that I absolutely hate in Zenoss, it's the use of RPN
[09-Nov-2009 16:03:26] <rmatte> RPN is such a pain in the ass
[09-Nov-2009 16:03:31] <NewBee1> it should be 4096bits to a block. i'm using 2M blocks. so 2M * 4096..... right
[09-Nov-2009 16:03:41] <rmatte> ah right
[09-Nov-2009 16:03:44] <TBKDan> I just upgraded from 2.4.x to 2.5 (RHEL RPM). At first I had a crapton of daemons not running, but I ran a zenmigrate and now everything is running. However, the event console does not work at all - both the global console and individual machine console. I've tried IE8, Firefox 3.5.5.. FF shows some stuff, but nothing coherent. Is this a known issue?
[09-Nov-2009 16:03:50] <rmatte> (I had it backwards, my bad)
[09-Nov-2009 16:04:00] <NewBee1> np
[09-Nov-2009 16:04:21] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: all caches cleared? http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5722 is an IE issue
[09-Nov-2009 16:04:25] <NewBee1> but it's still not right.
[09-Nov-2009 16:04:39] <rmatte> NewBee1: well wait, you said you're using a block size of 2 megabytes
[09-Nov-2009 16:04:55] <rmatte> all I was saying is that 4096 (4 megs) is a pretty standard block size
[09-Nov-2009 16:04:57] <NewBee1> no
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:04] <NewBee1> Block size 4096
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:09] <rmatte> ok
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:18] <rmatte> so take your total blocks or used blocks
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:24] <NewBee1> and 2million blocks
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:36] <rmatte> and then divide then multiply them by 4096
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:44] <rmatte> ignore "divide"
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:50] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: Yes, I opened Firefox, cleared all cache, closed it again, re-opened and it still was messed up.
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:50] <rmatte> "then multiply them by 4096"
[09-Nov-2009 16:06:29] <NewBee1> so my RPN is just 4096,*
[09-Nov-2009 16:07:00] <swygue> hello, I and a server sent several thousands syslog events to zenoss, and I'm looking for a way to move all the events to history. Doing from the gui is a pain since, especially because its too much to do at once. Any one knows how to delete these from zenmd?
[09-Nov-2009 16:07:08] <rmatte> 2000000 * 4096 = 8192000000
[09-Nov-2009 16:07:21] <rmatte> so about 8.2 GB
[09-Nov-2009 16:07:30] <swygue> lol, "i and a server" I meant " I have a server that sent"
[09-Nov-2009 16:08:05] <rmatte> NewBee1: it should probably be {$here/blockSize},*
[09-Nov-2009 16:08:15] <rmatte> don't set it statically as block size can vary
[09-Nov-2009 16:09:17] <NewBee1> ya
[09-Nov-2009 16:09:27] <rmatte> was I close with the 8.2GB?
[09-Nov-2009 16:09:30] <rmatte> or way off?
[09-Nov-2009 16:10:02] <rmatte> swygue: one sec, I have something to do that...
[09-Nov-2009 16:10:20] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: I tried running zenpatch 5722 && zenoss restart and it still does not render at all in IE8.
[09-Nov-2009 16:10:28] <swygue> rmatte:thanks
[09-Nov-2009 16:10:37] <TBKDan> Firefox rendering is still pretty much nonexistant
[09-Nov-2009 16:10:55] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: IE8 is known to not work well, compatibility mode may be required
[09-Nov-2009 16:11:05] <mrayzenoss> FireFox 3.x should work
[09-Nov-2009 16:11:16] <mrayzenoss> IE7 is supposed to work after the patch
[09-Nov-2009 16:11:29] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: FF 3.5 is still messed up on two different machines :(
[09-Nov-2009 16:11:35] <TBKDan> Let me try an IE7 machine
[09-Nov-2009 16:11:52] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: it's not 'zenpatch 5722', it's 'zenpatch 15588'
[09-Nov-2009 16:11:53] <rmatte> swygue: you just want to wipe the entire console or keep certain events?
[09-Nov-2009 16:12:02] <mrayzenoss> 5722 is the ticket, 15588 is the patch within the ticket
[09-Nov-2009 16:12:16] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: Ah, one moment please :-)
[09-Nov-2009 16:12:43] <swygue> rmatte: I would like to wipe all events for X device whose component is kernel
[09-Nov-2009 16:12:56] <TBKDan> Holy crap
[09-Nov-2009 16:13:03] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: Ok, IE8 is displaying now
[09-Nov-2009 16:13:12] <rmatte> ok, give me a sec then
[09-Nov-2009 16:13:21] <TBKDan> As is IE7
[09-Nov-2009 16:13:22] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: whew
[09-Nov-2009 16:13:51] * TBKDan tries FF again
[09-Nov-2009 16:13:54] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: here are the tickets currently targeted for 2.5.1: http://tr.im/trac_2_5_1
[09-Nov-2009 16:14:20] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: FF 3.5 is still massively screwed up
[09-Nov-2009 16:14:40] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: imagebin it?
[09-Nov-2009 16:14:44] <TBKDan> Sure, one sec
[09-Nov-2009 16:15:46] <rmatte> swygue: http://pastebin.com/m5f70b7a5
[09-Nov-2009 16:15:49] <rmatte> use that in zendmd
[09-Nov-2009 16:15:56] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[09-Nov-2009 16:15:58] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: http://imagebin.org/71138
[09-Nov-2009 16:16:00] <rmatte> set device and component variables to whatever you need
[09-Nov-2009 16:16:08] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[09-Nov-2009 16:16:19] <swygue> rmatte:checking it out now, thanks
[09-Nov-2009 16:16:21] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: that's a new one for me… I'll run it by QA
[09-Nov-2009 16:16:32] <rmatte> no problem
[09-Nov-2009 16:18:06] <NewBee1> usedBytes
[09-Nov-2009 16:18:07] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: any javascript errors?
[09-Nov-2009 16:18:34] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: Yes, a few
[09-Nov-2009 16:18:37] <NewBee1> in the filesystem.py. there is just usedBytes
[09-Nov-2009 16:18:46] <NewBee1> I'm guessing that might just work.
[09-Nov-2009 16:18:49] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: Ian asked for you to paste them
[09-Nov-2009 16:18:56] <mrayzenoss> pastebin that is
[09-Nov-2009 16:21:07] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: http://pastebin.com/m1791f034
[09-Nov-2009 16:21:16] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[09-Nov-2009 16:21:54] <TBKDan> I just grabbed all errors in FF error console there
[09-Nov-2009 16:22:01] <TBKDan> Well, summarized. Some are repeated a few times
[09-Nov-2009 16:22:18] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: could you re-clear your browser cache? Command-Shift-R
[09-Nov-2009 16:22:46] <mrayzenoss> Err, Ctrl-Shirt-R
[09-Nov-2009 16:22:50] <mrayzenoss> depending on your OS :)
[09-Nov-2009 16:24:37] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: I closed the tab, cleared the cache, closed the browser, opened it up, cleared the cache, closed again, then opened it up and same results.
[09-Nov-2009 16:24:51] <TBKDan> Let me go try on another machine that has never even seen this box
[09-Nov-2009 16:25:43] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: Same results (This box was a freshly booted livecd)
[09-Nov-2009 16:25:52] <TBKDan> So not a cache issue (unless it's server side)
[09-Nov-2009 16:27:30] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: custom zope.conf?
[09-Nov-2009 16:28:03] <swygue> rmatte: It seems to be working, I'm waiting for on my return keystroke
[09-Nov-2009 16:29:07] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: If I did modify it (which I don't recall doing), it would have been a while ago (back in 2.2 at the latest). I can show you the uncommented contents if you wish?
[09-Nov-2009 16:29:20] <TBKDan> (I don't see anything customized)
[09-Nov-2009 16:30:11] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: probably not the issue, but sure
[09-Nov-2009 16:31:01] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: http://pastebin.com/m59f307be
[09-Nov-2009 16:31:11] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[09-Nov-2009 16:32:20] <mrayzenoss> Ian says "default-zpublisher-encoding should be utf-8"
[09-Nov-2009 16:32:32] <mrayzenoss> it was supposed to be upgraded
[09-Nov-2009 16:32:35] <TBKDan> Ahh
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:07] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: And there was much rejoicing!!
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:07] <TBKDan> :-)
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:23] <mrayzenoss> all hail Ian!
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:27] * TBKDan bows
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:35] <rmatte> swygue: if you're seeing ... just hit enter
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:35] <mrayzenoss> master of the Zope-Spacetime Continuum
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:41] <TBKDan> Tell him thank you very much (and thank you as well!)
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:43] <rmatte> swygue: ... means it's waiting for you to hit return
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:52] <rmatte> swygue: and after that it should run through silently
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:00] <rmatte> and when it finishes type: commit()
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:04] <rmatte> and wait for that to finish
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:06] <rmatte> then you're done
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:13] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: Now to go home and see what food is waiting for me
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:22] <TBKDan> Later, and thanks again :-)
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:38] <swygue> rmatte: I did, I wating for it to return me to >>>
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:43] <jrock2004> Well guys off to go home. See ya later
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:54] <rmatte> swygue: cool, could take a while depending on the number of events
[09-Nov-2009 16:36:30] <swygue> rmatte: its 101039 kernel events
[09-Nov-2009 16:37:24] <rmatte> yeh, that'll take a bit for sure lol
[09-Nov-2009 16:37:51] <rmatte> but beats doing it by hand
[09-Nov-2009 16:40:45] <jrock2004> Ok I am back. I have a portlet that is autoredirecting me out of zenoss
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:08] <jrock2004> I am assuming I need to go into manage and remove that portlet correct?
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:13] <rmatte> jrock2004: you always have the most interesting Zenoss problems lol
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:25] <jrock2004> Are you gonna ban me?
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:30] <rmatte> is it that new web portlet?
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:38] <jrock2004> its a site window
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:40] <rmatte> I can't ban you lol
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:49] <rmatte> yeh, remove the portlet
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:52] <jrock2004> I thought it would be cool to load my gmail into a portlet
[09-Nov-2009 16:42:03] <rmatte> ah, but it redirects you?
[09-Nov-2009 16:42:11] <jrock2004> the issue is when I hit the dashboard it redirects me to google
[09-Nov-2009 16:42:15] <rmatte> ah
[09-Nov-2009 16:42:20] <jrock2004> 8080/zport/dmd/manage
[09-Nov-2009 16:42:32] <jrock2004> so I am figuring I need to go in there and find the portlets and remove it
[09-Nov-2009 16:42:34] <rmatte> yeh, you need to remove that portlet from the dashboard
[09-Nov-2009 16:42:54] <rmatte> hmmm
[09-Nov-2009 16:43:24] <rmatte> not sure where you'd find that in ZMI...
[09-Nov-2009 16:44:27] <rmatte> that is a great point though, there should be somewhere where you can suspend the functionality of the site portlet
[09-Nov-2009 16:44:36] <rmatte> just in case people run in to that type of issue
[09-Nov-2009 16:44:53] <jrock2004> you mean pull a jrock2004 :)
[09-Nov-2009 16:44:58] <rmatte> hehe
[09-Nov-2009 16:45:16] <rmatte> too bad ian isn't around, he'd probably know
[09-Nov-2009 16:45:44] <jrock2004> Is this something I will need to post to the forums?
[09-Nov-2009 16:46:48] <rmatte> well hold on, I'm trying something...
[09-Nov-2009 16:47:07] <jrock2004> ok
[09-Nov-2009 16:47:53] <rmatte> bah, of course ZenPortalManager is outside of dmd so I can't use zendmd to manipulate it
[09-Nov-2009 16:47:54] <rmatte> hmmm
[09-Nov-2009 16:48:51] <rmatte> oh wait, it might be under ZenWidgets...
[09-Nov-2009 16:49:12] <rmatte> it is, ooooh
[09-Nov-2009 16:49:19] <rmatte> ok, give me a minute to figure this out...
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:01] <jrock2004> ok
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:50] <rmatte> Ok, try this in zendmd
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:51] <rmatte> $ zendmd
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:51] <rmatte> >>> from Products.ZenWidgets.ZenossPortlets.ZenossPortlets \
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:51] <rmatte> import register_default_portlets
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:51] <rmatte> >>> register_default_portlets(zport.ZenPortletManager)
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:51] <rmatte> >>> commit()
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:56] <rmatte> see if that does it
[09-Nov-2009 16:51:12] <rmatte> actually, let me test it first
[09-Nov-2009 16:52:02] <rmatte> damn, doesn't work, but hold on, think I'm on the right track possibly
[09-Nov-2009 16:54:42] <jrock2004> Did I give you a challenge?
[09-Nov-2009 16:55:02] <rmatte> yeh, well the challenge is that adding and removing the portlets is all done via ajax...
[09-Nov-2009 16:55:12] <rmatte> but I need to figure out how it remembers what portlets to display
[09-Nov-2009 16:56:20] <jrock2004> is it stored in the db?
[09-Nov-2009 16:56:54] <rmatte> yup
[09-Nov-2009 16:57:38] <rmatte> looks like it uses dmd.ZenUsers.getUserSettings()
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:10] <rmatte> <script tal:define="settings python:here.ZenUsers.getUserSettings();
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:10] <rmatte> json settings/dashboardState | string:null"
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:10] <rmatte> tal:content="string:
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:10] <rmatte> var state = '${settings/dashboardState}';
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:10] <rmatte> if(state) var dashboardState = evalJSON(state);
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:11] <rmatte> "></script>
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:20] <rmatte> that's the code that pulls the dashboard state from user settings
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:55] <mrayzenoss> got the fix from Ian
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:02] <jrock2004> found it
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:04] <mrayzenoss> in zendmd
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:06] <mrayzenoss> dmd.ZenUsers.admin.dashboardState = ''
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:13] <rmatte> sweet, I'm curious to see this one
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:14] <mrayzenoss> where 'admin' is the user
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:17] <rmatte> I was on the right track hehe
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:18] <mrayzenoss> and then commit()
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:26] <rmatte> ah, nice
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:29] <jrock2004> did not even have to do that
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:39] <jrock2004> 8080/zport/dmd/ZenUsers/username/manage
[09-Nov-2009 17:00:10] <rmatte> ok, but then what?
[09-Nov-2009 17:00:21] <rmatte> all that's there is adminRoles and messages
[09-Nov-2009 17:00:39] <jrock2004> click on Properties
[09-Nov-2009 17:00:47] <rmatte> ah
[09-Nov-2009 17:00:48] <rmatte> I see
[09-Nov-2009 17:00:59] <rmatte> cool, I'll have to remember that
[09-Nov-2009 17:01:03] <jrock2004> Hey I taught someone something :)
[09-Nov-2009 17:01:21] <rmatte> that's awesome too because it means that I can globally set dashboard layouts if need be
[09-Nov-2009 17:02:06] <rmatte> swygue: still running through?
[09-Nov-2009 17:02:24] <rmatte> jrock2004: nah, I knew about the properties tab, I'm just being stupid right now lol
[09-Nov-2009 17:02:35] <rmatte> I went through the properties tab many times while setting up the LDAP plugins
[09-Nov-2009 17:02:39] <swygue> rmatte: its still running, I can't tell if its doing anything, from the UI the event count is the same
[09-Nov-2009 17:02:39] <jrock2004> Oh sure easy to but a new guy down :)
[09-Nov-2009 17:02:51] <rmatte> :P
[09-Nov-2009 17:02:59] <rmatte> lol
[09-Nov-2009 17:03:17] <rmatte> swygue: do a "top", if your CPU usage is through the roof then it's doing something
[09-Nov-2009 17:03:41] <rmatte> swygue: yeh, the event count shouldn't change until you actually do the commit
[09-Nov-2009 17:04:13] <rmatte> swygue: plus that's an assload of events, could take an hour or more to clear them
[09-Nov-2009 17:04:51] <rmatte> what caused all of those anyways?
[09-Nov-2009 17:04:54] <swygue> rmatte: load isn't that bad, 1.36 cpu 22%
[09-Nov-2009 17:05:02] <rmatte> accidentally set the syslog level too low?
[09-Nov-2009 17:05:24] <rmatte> swygue: how's the CPU usage on zendmd?
[09-Nov-2009 17:05:36] <rmatte> higher than other processes?
[09-Nov-2009 17:06:09] <jrock2004> Well Now I need to figure out where my hosted servers with 1and1 are so I can put on google maps
[09-Nov-2009 17:06:21] <rmatte> hehe, nice
[09-Nov-2009 17:06:39] <swygue> rmatte: not sure tell you the truth, we have a netapp filer and we mount cifs from it. So thing happened lastnight that caused syslog to spit out a kernel CIFS VFS error event minute since lastnight
[09-Nov-2009 17:06:47] <jrock2004> the whole reason for my mess up is I am trying to get all my systems in zenoss dashboard
[09-Nov-2009 17:06:48] <rmatte> I'm out of here in about 20 mins, but there's no reason why that zendmd code shouldn't work, so just let it run for a while
[09-Nov-2009 17:07:07] <jrock2004> This way I only need one system to look at all my stuff
[09-Nov-2009 17:07:09] <rmatte> swygue: ah, that sucks
[09-Nov-2009 17:07:59] <rmatte> swygue: actually, I should have just added a print line in there so that you could see the progress event by event
[09-Nov-2009 17:08:02] <rmatte> didn't think about it
[09-Nov-2009 17:08:39] <swygue> rmatte: zenmd cpu is 77%
[09-Nov-2009 17:09:04] <swygue> rmatte: I did try to do that, but i don't know much python
[09-Nov-2009 17:09:07] <rmatte> yeh, I'm sure it's doing something
[09-Nov-2009 17:09:11] <rmatte> if you want to see progress: http://pastebin.com/m229fe5b9
[09-Nov-2009 17:09:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[09-Nov-2009 17:09:58] <rmatte> that'll give you some idea of how fast it's going
[09-Nov-2009 17:10:16] <rmatte> you can cancel the current running job and resume with that and it'll pick up where it left off
[09-Nov-2009 17:10:25] <rmatte> it's doing it all virtual until you actually do the commit()
[09-Nov-2009 17:10:30] <rmatte> just don't exit out of zendmd
[09-Nov-2009 17:10:37] <swygue> rmatte: I didn't enclose the evt.evid in brackets, I feel good, I guess I know a little
[09-Nov-2009 17:10:48] <rmatte> hehe
[09-Nov-2009 17:11:20] <rmatte> I specifically learned python because of Zenoss, but my python-fu is getting pretty good lately
[09-Nov-2009 17:12:11] <rmatte> but yeh, try it with the print and let me know if it's working, it should be
[09-Nov-2009 17:12:26] <rmatte> if you don't see anything then there's something wrong
[09-Nov-2009 17:14:55] <swygue> rmatte: I know, zenoss is my motivation, I'm getting tired of wanting to do things like this, and can't.
[09-Nov-2009 17:15:05] <rmatte> hehe
[09-Nov-2009 17:15:32] <swygue> rmatte: I try it and nothing printing
[09-Nov-2009 17:15:36] <rmatte> swygue: it's worth learning, it's a great language
[09-Nov-2009 17:15:41] <rmatte> ooooh, that's not good
[09-Nov-2009 17:15:54] <rmatte> make sure you have the right case for the component and the device name
[09-Nov-2009 17:16:06] <rmatte> if it says KERNEL and you put kernel or vice-versa it won't work
[09-Nov-2009 17:17:17] <swygue> rmatte: you think device is case sensitive, we name our devices using the FQDN, you think I should just use the shorname
[09-Nov-2009 17:17:34] <rmatte> device is case sensitive, yeh
[09-Nov-2009 17:17:43] <rmatte> you need to have exactly what's in the device field for the event
[09-Nov-2009 17:17:50] <rmatte> since I'm using re.match()
[09-Nov-2009 17:17:53] <rmatte> so it needs to be exact
[09-Nov-2009 17:18:43] <swygue> rmatte:that might be the issue, we name the device hostname is caps and domain lowercase: SERVER-01.domain.net, cause it looks cool from zenoss UI
[09-Nov-2009 17:19:16] <rmatte> basically what the script is doing is reading through each event in the list, setting evt to the event details set, then checking the component and device against the ones that you set in the variables at the top
[09-Nov-2009 17:19:29] <rmatte> and it needs to be a perfect match for it to proceed with moving the event to history
[09-Nov-2009 17:19:55] <rmatte> ah, I see
[09-Nov-2009 17:20:13] <rmatte> if you correct the case then it should work
[09-Nov-2009 17:21:37] <rmatte> make sure you have the correct case for component as well
[09-Nov-2009 17:22:04] <kobalt> woot just got the approval for maxing out the ram on my server hehe
[09-Nov-2009 17:22:12] <rmatte> congrats
[09-Nov-2009 17:22:16] <rmatte> more RAM is always good
[09-Nov-2009 17:22:37] <kobalt> somthing about I have about half our network we monitor loaded.... 1300 devices... hehe
[09-Nov-2009 17:22:47] <rmatte> lol
[09-Nov-2009 17:22:52] <rmatte> yeh, that's a lot of devices
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:00] <rmatte> I'd say 8 gigs of RAM minimum for that
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:06] <kobalt> I have 6 now
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:12] <kobalt> Im upgrading to 32
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:13] <rmatte> yeh, not enough
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:17] <rmatte> cool
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:42] <kobalt> all together Ill have about 3k devices 90% switches
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:44] <rmatte> swygue: any luck?
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:53] <rmatte> wow
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:58] <rmatte> that's a lot of datapoints
[09-Nov-2009 17:24:30] <swygue> rmatte: I was in the middle of telling you its still not working, that it might be something I'm overlooking, then I saw a flood of information went by in the background. Its working now like a charm and fast!!!
[09-Nov-2009 17:24:31] <kobalt> yeah lol .... I have about 100 4006 switches....
[09-Nov-2009 17:24:43] <rmatte> are you monitoring the admin status for each port via SNMP?: docs/DOC-2494
[09-Nov-2009 17:24:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Polling Interface Status (at community.zenoss.org)
[09-Nov-2009 17:25:22] <rmatte> I hate how all of my old Zenoss bookmarks don't work anymore lol
[09-Nov-2009 17:25:33] <rmatte> I need to take like a half hour and update them all
[09-Nov-2009 17:26:04] <rmatte> swygue: excellent, glad to hear man
[09-Nov-2009 17:26:10] <kobalt> no we have been using snmp traps, but this is good if a trap gets missed
[09-Nov-2009 17:26:38] <rmatte> swygue: wanted to make sure that you were squared away before I left lol
[09-Nov-2009 17:26:58] <rmatte> kobalt: yeh, there's no substitution for actually monitoring status via SNMP polling in my opinion
[09-Nov-2009 17:27:58] <rmatte> kobalt: the traps can be messy
[09-Nov-2009 17:28:27] <kobalt> rmatte: the only problem I can see is getting traps and snmp monitoring
[09-Nov-2009 17:28:40] <rmatte> swygue: you may not actually have to do a commit() but I'd do it anyways when it's done just to be sure
[09-Nov-2009 17:28:50] <kobalt> rmatte: I get a trap then snmp monitor polls I get 2 events
[09-Nov-2009 17:29:01] <rmatte> kobalt: yeh, but all you have to do is tune the traps out like I did
[09-Nov-2009 17:29:08] <rmatte> kobalt: the snmp polling is way better anyways
[09-Nov-2009 17:29:26] <swygue> rmatte: thanks allot, see you around, I heading home now myself.
[09-Nov-2009 17:29:29] <kobalt> except not all interfaces are being used
[09-Nov-2009 17:29:36] <rmatte> swygue: no problem, any time, ttyl
[09-Nov-2009 17:29:47] <kobalt> so then I get events every 5 min
[09-Nov-2009 17:30:06] <rmatte> that's why you need to properly tune which interfaces you're actually monitoring
[09-Nov-2009 17:30:29] <rmatte> I don't monitor any user ports, I only monitor trunks, vlans, circuits, stuff like that
[09-Nov-2009 17:31:07] <kobalt> rmatte: our main buisness is l2 transport, and we monitor the customer facing
[09-Nov-2009 17:31:36] <kobalt> rmatte: we also noc for other networks and some have a bad habbit of leaving interfaces in a down down state
[09-Nov-2009 17:31:38] <rmatte> yeh, I guess traps are better suited for your particular situation then
[09-Nov-2009 17:39:29] <mrayzenoss> later all
[09-Nov-2009 17:39:36] <kobalt> cya
[09-Nov-2009 22:33:17] * davetoo whimpers
[09-Nov-2009 22:33:37] <davetoo> what the heck is *sending* these false-positive alerts?
[09-Nov-2009 23:45:34] <ayesha> Hi everyone ! I just had a small query regarding the usage of zenoss api...
[09-Nov-2009 23:46:28] <ayesha> My requirement is to fetch the monitoring information stored in the zenoss rrd files remotely .
[09-Nov-2009 23:47:26] <ayesha> In the api documentation I found a api called fetchRRDValues. However this api does not seem to be exposed at the Device level
[09-Nov-2009 23:49:18] <ayesha> Could anyone tell me how to use the fetchRRDValues api. Given the Device and the counter name , my requirement is to fetch all the 5-min values collected for that counter using a single api call
[09-Nov-2009 23:53:16] <ayesha> I am using the REST way .....
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[10-Nov-2009 00:49:01] <davetoo> *sigh*
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[10-Nov-2009 01:33:38] <rhettardo> all i know is 'rrdtool fetch /path/to/datasource.rrd AVERAGE -r 300 -s 1h' :\. that example would get averages w/ a 300 second (5 minute) resolution for the past hour
[10-Nov-2009 01:33:48] <rhettardo> probably not helpful but its all i got!
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[10-Nov-2009 07:04:22] <Touma> hi all
[10-Nov-2009 07:04:24] <Touma> ?
[10-Nov-2009 07:05:38] <chemist> hello
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[10-Nov-2009 07:43:58] <Touma> hey chemist
[10-Nov-2009 08:04:02] <chemist> hello
[10-Nov-2009 08:04:13] <mrayzenoss> morning/afternoon
[10-Nov-2009 08:04:26] <chemist> afternoon in this latitude
[10-Nov-2009 08:04:30] <mrayzenoss> yup
[10-Nov-2009 08:06:34] <chemist> mrayzenoss: is there any documentatition on monitoring linux processes via snmp?
[10-Nov-2009 08:07:56] <mrayzenoss> http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jcurry.html "http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/process_monitoring.pdf"
[10-Nov-2009 08:08:28] <adytum-bot> Title: Papers and Presentations by Jane Curry (at www.skills-1st.co.uk)
[10-Nov-2009 08:09:00] <pokui> I particularly liked the automated discovery scripts she wrote.
[10-Nov-2009 08:10:09] <mrayzenoss> yeah, she writes a lot of good stuff
[10-Nov-2009 08:13:38] <chemist> thanks
[10-Nov-2009 08:47:04] <jrock2004> There are really no collector plugins for FreeBSD is there? I am using the darwins one now
[10-Nov-2009 08:49:11] <mrayzenoss> hmm… apparently not. Does it differ much from the OSX or Linux ones?
[10-Nov-2009 08:49:39] <mrayzenoss> also, a FreeBSD SSH ZenPack would be really nice if you're interested in writing one
[10-Nov-2009 08:49:51] * mrayzenoss is shameless
[10-Nov-2009 08:53:59] <pokui> mrayzenoss: you mean a set of commands to be run under freebsd?
[10-Nov-2009 08:54:01] <jrock2004> Yeah I might have too
[10-Nov-2009 08:54:42] <mrayzenoss> pokui: yeah, similar to the Linux Monitor added in 2.4
[10-Nov-2009 08:54:54] <mrayzenoss> there are a number of Linux ones and an OpenSolaris one
[10-Nov-2009 08:55:22] <mrayzenoss> if I magically had more time I'd probably do a Debian one based off the Ubuntu one, then an OSX one
[10-Nov-2009 08:55:45] <pokui> lol. I'll add that to my todo list since I'm deploying core with freebsd servers anyway.
[10-Nov-2009 08:56:31] <mrayzenoss> I've heard the SNMP is pretty good, but some people like SSH
[10-Nov-2009 08:57:09] <mrayzenoss> pretty good for FreeBSD that is
[10-Nov-2009 08:58:10] <pokui> the SNMP is very nice. the reason for the SSH is some machines based on freeBSD (bandwidth managers and other appliance types) do not recommend having an snmp listner on the machine.
[10-Nov-2009 08:58:31] <pokui> so running one could get you in warranty/support trouble.
[10-Nov-2009 08:58:47] * pokui thinks it's all bs but ...
[10-Nov-2009 08:59:28] <mrayzenoss> well, there's lots of documentation and examples for SSH ZenPacks here: community/developers/zenpack_development
[10-Nov-2009 08:59:46] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: ZenPack Development (at community.zenoss.org)
[10-Nov-2009 09:00:39] <jrock2004> pokui: Or in some cases you have operating systems that are too old and you cannot get installers for them
[10-Nov-2009 09:00:55] <jrock2004> I am still trying to phase out of my old boxes
[10-Nov-2009 09:01:10] <jrock2004> Dam the previous IT guy for not doing system upgrades
[10-Nov-2009 09:01:11] <pokui> jrock2004: that too. short of doing a cvs checkout of a very old fbsd and a build you'd be stuck.
[10-Nov-2009 09:07:05] <jrock2004> HW Products. When you create custom ones, is there a way to edit them?
[10-Nov-2009 09:09:31] <Touma> hi all, I'm discovered some devices (hosts) with zennos but i can't see the graps of traffic for the network interfaces
[10-Nov-2009 09:09:56] <Touma> i'm adding the zenpack linux monitoring
[10-Nov-2009 09:10:03] <jrock2004> What ddi you set the proper collector plugins
[10-Nov-2009 09:10:22] <jrock2004> What collector plugins are set for the device
[10-Nov-2009 09:10:32] <mrayzenoss> Touma: there's a free Getting Started Webinar in less that 3 hours http://forms.zenoss.com/getting-started
[10-Nov-2009 09:10:45] <adytum-bot> Title: Getting Started with Zenoss (at forms.zenoss.com)
[10-Nov-2009 09:10:59] <mrayzenoss> sounds like your devices are all in /Discovered
[10-Nov-2009 09:12:18] <rmatte> I love how dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_setEventStates(1, ['event id']) works fine to acknowledge events, but when the 1 is substituted with a 0 it doesn't unacknowledge the events (I'm sure that must be fixed in 2.5).
[10-Nov-2009 09:13:36] <rmatte> yeh, the devices will be in /Discovered by default, you need to move them to the appropriate device class
[10-Nov-2009 09:16:00] <Touma> but the linux host has discovered but i can't see graps of traficc
[10-Nov-2009 09:36:32] <rmatte> Touma: eugh, ok...
[10-Nov-2009 09:36:41] <rmatte> have you moved the Linux device to /Server/Linux?
[10-Nov-2009 09:36:51] <Touma> no
[10-Nov-2009 09:36:57] <rmatte> you need to do that
[10-Nov-2009 09:37:05] <Touma> it's necessary ?
[10-Nov-2009 09:37:31] <rmatte> ok, let's start from the beginning to make sure that the basics are covered...
[10-Nov-2009 09:37:39] <rmatte> is SNMP enabled on that Linux server?
[10-Nov-2009 09:38:11] <Touma> yeah
[10-Nov-2009 09:38:41] <rmatte> ok, now move the Linux server from /Discovered to /Server/Linux since that group is specifically taylored for monitoring Linux devices
[10-Nov-2009 09:38:51] <rmatte> also make sure that you've properly set the SNMP community string in Zenoss
[10-Nov-2009 09:39:15] <Touma> yes it's properly
[10-Nov-2009 09:39:36] <rmatte> k, you see interfaces on the OS tab for the device I assume?
[10-Nov-2009 09:40:51] <rmatte> hello?
[10-Nov-2009 09:41:08] <Touma> no
[10-Nov-2009 09:41:20] <Touma> i can't see that in os tab
[10-Nov-2009 09:42:15] <rmatte> ok, have you moved the device to /Server/Linux?
[10-Nov-2009 09:42:20] <Touma> yes
[10-Nov-2009 09:42:32] <rmatte> ok, from the device page, click on the dropdown meny
[10-Nov-2009 09:42:34] <rmatte> menu*
[10-Nov-2009 09:42:41] <rmatte> and select "Manage -> Model Device"
[10-Nov-2009 09:45:08] <Touma> thanks
[10-Nov-2009 09:45:27] <Touma> but i'm check again with the server grupos
[10-Nov-2009 09:45:29] <Touma> the snmp
[10-Nov-2009 09:47:01] <rmatte> k
[10-Nov-2009 09:49:49] <rmatte> you should probably take advantage of that getting started with Zenoss webinar Touma
[10-Nov-2009 09:50:01] <rmatte> it's free and it's basically a live presentation that explains the basics
[10-Nov-2009 09:50:14] <mrayzenoss> and you'll get to hear my voice :p
[10-Nov-2009 09:50:14] <Touma> yeah
[10-Nov-2009 09:51:18] <rmatte> hehe
[10-Nov-2009 09:52:02] <Touma> but the switches graps the traficc
[10-Nov-2009 09:53:50] <ke4qqq> anyone else having problems with replying to forum posts via email?
[10-Nov-2009 09:54:06] <Zenethian-> Webinar++
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[10-Nov-2009 09:54:12] <Touma> rmatte, in your contry what time is it actually ?
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[10-Nov-2009 09:54:17] <Touma> or now
[10-Nov-2009 09:58:33] <rmatte> Touma: 11:00AM
[10-Nov-2009 09:59:15] <rmatte> Touma: you need to model the device properly via SNMP, if it's not modelling properly then SNMP is not properly configured on it
[10-Nov-2009 10:00:07] <rmatte> zenethian: g'day
[10-Nov-2009 10:03:13] <zenethian> howdee
[10-Nov-2009 10:07:06] <rmatte> eugh, I need to figure out how to package this daemon that I wrote as a zenpack and have it work like any other zenoss daemon
[10-Nov-2009 10:07:53] <mrayzenoss> zenjmx, jabber xmppbot and wmi data source are all examples
[10-Nov-2009 10:07:55] <rmatte> I sent a message to Egor asking for tips :)
[10-Nov-2009 10:08:12] <rmatte> I know, I looked through wmi data source, but quite honestly I can't even make sense of how it works lol
[10-Nov-2009 10:08:41] <rmatte> the zenperfwmi bash script which kicks off the python script makes zero reference to where zenperfwmi.py is actually stored
[10-Nov-2009 10:08:49] <rmatte> so I have no idea where it's getting the info from
[10-Nov-2009 10:10:13] <mrayzenoss> I think there's something special about the daemons directory, like it gets registered with Zenoss
[10-Nov-2009 10:10:28] <rmatte> hmmmm
[10-Nov-2009 10:10:40] <rmatte> I figured that, but I need to know more exactly how it all works
[10-Nov-2009 10:11:19] <rmatte> I'll wait and see if he gets back to me
[10-Nov-2009 10:11:40] <RoundQube> hello all
[10-Nov-2009 10:11:44] <rmatte> hey
[10-Nov-2009 10:12:08] <rmatte> every time I see your nick I think of roundcube webmail
[10-Nov-2009 10:12:21] <RoundQube> i keep getting alert messages from Zenoss like: Unable to read processes on device zenoss; Timeout on device. What do I need to look into? From the forums, I've seen people mention this issue but its always been outside devices, not Zenoss itself that is timing out so I'm confused.
[10-Nov-2009 10:12:24] <rmatte> It's what I run on my server: http://webmail.dmon.org/
[10-Nov-2009 10:12:32] <RoundQube> rmatte lol, i know, everyone thinks that when I go into channels
[10-Nov-2009 10:12:34] <adytum-bot> Title: Welcome to dmon.org Webmail (at webmail.dmon.org)
[10-Nov-2009 10:13:06] <rmatte> RoundQube: if you're getting timeouts check the log, it'll usually mention "problem devices" when it fails
[10-Nov-2009 10:13:26] <rmatte> RoundQube: if it's always the same device, or around the same area in the device list then you have a genuine response time issue somewhere
[10-Nov-2009 10:13:26] <RoundQube> rmatte but this problem device is Zenoss itself from what I'm interpretting, am I wrong?
[10-Nov-2009 10:13:50] <rmatte> RoundQube: no, it's not Zenoss itself
[10-Nov-2009 10:13:55] <RoundQube> then it clears: 'Process table up for device zenoss'
[10-Nov-2009 10:14:14] <rmatte> RoundQube: well, why would you have the zenoss server in the zenoss inventory?
[10-Nov-2009 10:14:31] <rmatte> that doesn't even make sense, if you do you should just remove it
[10-Nov-2009 10:14:48] <RoundQube> because I'd like to know if something went down on it like ssh or whatever
[10-Nov-2009 10:15:32] <rmatte> very bad practice to monitor the local server, you should have another server somewhere that's monitoring it
[10-Nov-2009 10:15:43] <RoundQube> zenoss automatically was added, I didnt add it.. it was added as 127.0.0.1 (localhost) when I installed so I didn't remove it because I figured if it was added by the Zenoss team on purpose, who am I to take it out
[10-Nov-2009 10:16:09] <rmatte> I've done a ton of Zenoss installs and I've never had Zenoss actually add localhost as a device
[10-Nov-2009 10:16:17] <rmatte> maybe it did that during an auto-discovery
[10-Nov-2009 10:16:20] <rmatte> but you should remove it
[10-Nov-2009 10:16:34] <RoundQube> ok ill remove it
[10-Nov-2009 10:17:00] <RoundQube> still curious about these processes errors
[10-Nov-2009 10:17:47] <rmatte> if the process errors dissapear then it's probably something to do with snmp permissions on the zenoss server
[10-Nov-2009 10:18:10] <RoundQube> ok ill see if i get these errors
[10-Nov-2009 10:18:47] <rmatte> push changes to the collector so that it knows that that device is no longer in inventory
[10-Nov-2009 10:19:48] <cmdln> hello
[10-Nov-2009 10:19:54] <rmatte> hi
[10-Nov-2009 10:20:03] <cmdln> ive got new questions :)
[10-Nov-2009 10:20:10] <RoundQube> rmatte from what i know, pushing changes requires going to the device itself but in this case I removed it. Is there another way?
[10-Nov-2009 10:20:11] <rmatte> ask away
[10-Nov-2009 10:20:30] <rmatte> RoundQube: nah, just click on Devices on the left and do Manage -> Push Changes
[10-Nov-2009 10:21:32] <RoundQube> thanks
[10-Nov-2009 10:21:38] <cmdln> So I want to monitor solaris zones, I have the mibs loaded so thats done. I know the oid trees I want to monitor but since these are essentially vms the same vm wont be at the same oid tree necissarily after say a reboot
[10-Nov-2009 10:22:12] <cmdln> so how do you deal with monitoring an oid that isnt necissarily the same thing all the time?
[10-Nov-2009 10:22:20] <cmdln> that was worded poorly
[10-Nov-2009 10:22:24] <rmatte> cmdln: you write a script to handle it
[10-Nov-2009 10:22:42] <rmatte> the configure it as a command based data-source
[10-Nov-2009 10:22:46] <rmatte> then*
[10-Nov-2009 10:22:58] <ke4qqq> cmdln: sounds implemented poorly on Sun's part
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:20] <cmdln> well it works fine if you want to use their monitoring system :P
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:21] <rmatte> it's just like how Microsoft had CPU OIDs that tend to wander
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:27] <cmdln> yeah
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:32] <rmatte> so the first CPU will be .1 one day and .2 the next
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:36] <cmdln> heh
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:45] <cmdln> basically thats what i have
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:54] <rmatte> that's why I wrote the Windows SNMP Performance Monitor ZenPack
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:59] <rmatte> to overcome the stupidity of microsoft
[10-Nov-2009 10:24:13] <rmatte> same thing for RAM, the OID changes from device to device based on the number of physical drives in the system
[10-Nov-2009 10:24:15] <cmdln> rmatte you are a genius if you can overcome all of microsofts stupidity
[10-Nov-2009 10:24:26] <rmatte> I didn't say all
[10-Nov-2009 10:24:28] <rmatte> but some
[10-Nov-2009 10:24:29] <rmatte> :)
[10-Nov-2009 10:24:31] <cmdln> ;)
[10-Nov-2009 10:24:44] <cmdln> cool co I can take a look at your script then
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:00] <cmdln> im not a big developer type but I can futs with python
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:00] <rmatte> yeh
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:13] <rmatte> the scripts I did are bash scripts actually
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:16] <rmatte> so they are quite simple
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:17] <cmdln> ahh
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:18] <cmdln> nice
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:22] <rmatte> I assume you have bash scripting experience?
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:26] <cmdln> yeah
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:39] <cmdln> i can get stuff done
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:40] <rmatte> (I will convert them to python eventually, my python is getting good lately but it sucked back when I wrote those scripts)
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:48] <rmatte> lol
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:49] <cmdln> yeah i start in bash
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:53] <cmdln> then reqrite in python
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:58] <rmatte> yup
[10-Nov-2009 10:26:09] <cmdln> unless I know its going to be big then i just start in python
[10-Nov-2009 10:26:28] <cmdln> I think my favorite script was a hook i wrote into inotify
[10-Nov-2009 10:26:50] <cmdln> to deal with inherited permissions on a file system that was accessed with nfs, cifs, sshfs
[10-Nov-2009 10:27:11] <cmdln> hehe I stored my permission structure in a pickle file lol
[10-Nov-2009 10:27:20] <cmdln> ended up being slightly ugly but worked great
[10-Nov-2009 10:27:39] <cmdln> monitored for moves, changes, and writes and fixed permissions
[10-Nov-2009 10:28:46] <cmdln> rmatte: should I look at the simpel or advanced one?
[10-Nov-2009 10:29:36] <rmatte> nice
[10-Nov-2009 10:29:55] <rmatte> my favourite was a ticket create daemon that I finished writing yesterday
[10-Nov-2009 10:30:02] <rmatte> creates tickets in our ticketing system from Zenoss
[10-Nov-2009 10:30:04] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/f557bdab8
[10-Nov-2009 10:30:13] <rmatte> fairly complex python
[10-Nov-2009 10:30:15] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[10-Nov-2009 10:30:37] <cmdln> cool
[10-Nov-2009 10:31:07] <rmatte> it's not 100% done yet but it's pretty close
[10-Nov-2009 10:31:16] <rmatte> I need to add some logging functionality to it and then zenpack it
[10-Nov-2009 10:31:25] <ke4qqq> rmatte: what ticketing system?
[10-Nov-2009 10:31:34] <rmatte> ke4qqq: otrs
[10-Nov-2009 10:31:43] <rmatte> but a customized version of it
[10-Nov-2009 10:32:39] <ke4qqq> cool - haven't played with otrs in a long while.
[10-Nov-2009 10:33:27] <rmatte> yeh, it's pretty nice with all of the mods that we did to it
[10-Nov-2009 10:33:31] <rmatte> still have some stuff to add
[10-Nov-2009 10:34:38] <rmatte> but yeh, this daemon is going to make the ticket creation much more reliable since it actually watches the queue and tries to open a ticket each time an event count increments
[10-Nov-2009 10:35:14] <rmatte> it also only tries to open 1 ticket at once, so if 380 events come in at once, it won't launch 380 instances of the ticket create script (which it does now and drowns out the box)
[10-Nov-2009 10:35:15] <rmatte> lol
[10-Nov-2009 10:40:47] <pokui> rmatte: interesting. since you're calling a perlscript to create your orts ticket this is easily adaptable to webrt (which is what I'm planning to use)
[10-Nov-2009 10:41:27] <rmatte> yup
[10-Nov-2009 10:41:48] <rmatte> otrs is written in perl so it was easier to do it in perl apparently
[10-Nov-2009 10:42:00] <rmatte> plus I didn't write the script that I'm calling, my manager did, and he's a big perl guy
[10-Nov-2009 10:42:20] <rmatte> but yeh, it's adaptable to basically anything
[10-Nov-2009 10:43:13] <pokui> heh my inclination is ruby > perl > python so .... :)
[10-Nov-2009 10:43:56] <rmatte> hehe
[10-Nov-2009 10:44:04] <rmatte> mine is bash > python
[10-Nov-2009 10:44:06] <rmatte> right now anyways
[10-Nov-2009 10:47:35] <rmatte> although I'm trying to learn a lot of python
[10-Nov-2009 10:47:44] <cmdln> so
[10-Nov-2009 10:48:07] <cmdln> since I also dont necissarily know the name of these zones I need to store them in the db
[10-Nov-2009 10:48:24] <rmatte> cmdln: the simple and advanced use the same scripts, just different Zenoss templates, so either is fine
[10-Nov-2009 10:48:55] <cmdln> no, i should give the name of the zone as a parameter to the script
[10-Nov-2009 10:49:11] <cmdln> sorry thinking outloud
[10-Nov-2009 10:49:14] <rmatte> hehe
[10-Nov-2009 10:49:17] <cmdln> never written a zenoss thing
[10-Nov-2009 10:52:11] <rmatte> it's fairly simple
[10-Nov-2009 10:53:11] jrock2004_ is now known as jrock2004
[10-Nov-2009 10:55:48] <kobalt> in a custom report what is the tales for device class?
[10-Nov-2009 10:58:54] <rmatte> kobalt: not sure off the top of my head. Maybe check other reports that already make use of the device class?
[10-Nov-2009 10:59:59] <jrock2004> In the Status tab under the OS section there is a contact label. I know if you have snmp enabled that gets populated. Is there a way without snmp to put a value there?
[10-Nov-2009 11:02:15] <Alowishus> What do I need to do to get graphs of memory statistics from a Linux host that's being monitored via SSH? I have the LinuxMonitor and LinuxMonitorAddOn packs installed, but that doesn't seem to be enough...
[10-Nov-2009 11:04:43] <mrayzenoss> Alowishus: looks like it needs to be added… you could add a new SSH data source to do it
[10-Nov-2009 11:08:35] <rmatte> jrock2004: no, but you can go to the edit tab and fill in the comments field
[10-Nov-2009 11:08:47] <rmatte> and just put something like: Contact for this device is: Fred Beaver
[10-Nov-2009 11:08:49] <rmatte> or whatever
[10-Nov-2009 11:09:08] <jrock2004> Wil do
[10-Nov-2009 11:09:28] <rmatte> simpler is just to configure it on the device
[10-Nov-2009 11:09:30] <rmatte> if you can
[10-Nov-2009 11:09:54] <Alowishus> mrayzenoss: hm okay, this is a bit new to me still... so you're saying that I should add a COMMAND data source to the Device template, and then add graphs for the values?
[10-Nov-2009 11:10:01] <mrayzenoss> yeah
[10-Nov-2009 11:10:25] <mrayzenoss> Alowishus: docs/DOC-3908
[10-Nov-2009 11:10:33] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 6.2 2 Performance Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[10-Nov-2009 11:10:34] <mrayzenoss> the Admin Guide covers adding custom data sources
[10-Nov-2009 11:10:49] <mrayzenoss> I'm doing the Getting Started Webinar in 45 minutes, I usually cover it there too
[10-Nov-2009 11:10:58] <mrayzenoss> http://forms.zenoss.com/getting-started
[10-Nov-2009 11:11:02] <Alowishus> mrayzenoss: only other question I have is that there appears to be a zenoss.cmd.linux.memory zCollectorPlugin in place... is that useful to me at all?
[10-Nov-2009 11:11:10] <adytum-bot> Title: Getting Started with Zenoss (at forms.zenoss.com)
[10-Nov-2009 11:11:28] <Alowishus> mrayzenoss: ok I'll take a look at all that, and see if I can zip into the webinar
[10-Nov-2009 11:11:38] <mrayzenoss> Alowishus: that would be pulling the memory value on your hardware tab
[10-Nov-2009 11:12:05] <mrayzenoss> there really should be a memory graph on the default Linux SSH though
[10-Nov-2009 11:12:19] * mrayzenoss adds that to his enormous Todo list
[10-Nov-2009 11:12:27] <Alowishus> hehe
[10-Nov-2009 11:12:30] <cmdln> while your at it
[10-Nov-2009 11:12:33] <cmdln> add iowait monitoring
[10-Nov-2009 11:12:34] <cmdln> lol
[10-Nov-2009 11:12:56] <cmdln> that should be available in newer snmp stuff I think
[10-Nov-2009 11:13:21] <mrayzenoss> cmdln: message/41671#41671
[10-Nov-2009 11:13:29] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Graph I/O Performance? (at community.zenoss.org)
[10-Nov-2009 11:13:48] <mrayzenoss> but that would be a good enhancement
[10-Nov-2009 11:13:58] <cmdln> yeah they are integrating it into standard snmp i believe
[10-Nov-2009 11:14:21] <cmdln> thats just extending
[10-Nov-2009 11:14:26] <cmdln> which is what I would do
[10-Nov-2009 11:14:51] <cmdln> actually must do either that or a command right now, but after the io stuff is in native snmp data it will be nice
[10-Nov-2009 11:15:06] <jrock2004> How can I uninstall ZenPacks.zenoss.LinuxMonitor>=1.
[10-Nov-2009 11:15:31] <jrock2004> it has failed to install zenpack -- uninstall LinuxMonitor
[10-Nov-2009 11:18:26] <rmatte> jrock2004: define "failed to install"
[10-Nov-2009 11:18:50] <rmatte> jrock2004: after installing a ZenPack you should restart Zenoss, otherwise it'll show up as "broken"
[10-Nov-2009 11:19:21] <jrock2004> when I installed the LinuxMonitor I start to get some python errors
[10-Nov-2009 11:19:25] <rmatte> jrock2004: some simple packs like template packs don't require a restart, but something like the LinuxMonitor pack does since it installs collector plugins which won't work unless you restart
[10-Nov-2009 11:19:32] <rmatte> pastebin the python errors
[10-Nov-2009 11:19:40] <mrayzenoss> yeah, shouldn't get python errors
[10-Nov-2009 11:19:47] <jrock2004> Let me install it again
[10-Nov-2009 11:22:13] <jrock2004> http://pastebin.ca/1665115
[10-Nov-2009 11:22:17] <rmatte> nice, I'm going with my friend to an all you can eat sushi place for lunch
[10-Nov-2009 11:22:20] <rmatte> mmmm, sushi
[10-Nov-2009 11:22:21] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Something - post number 1665115 (at pastebin.ca)
[10-Nov-2009 11:22:31] <rmatte> checking...
[10-Nov-2009 11:22:54] <jrock2004> k
[10-Nov-2009 11:23:28] <rmatte> have you tried removing the pack after the restart?
[10-Nov-2009 11:23:56] <rmatte> hmmm, I've seen that blocked message before...
[10-Nov-2009 11:24:23] * jrock2004 smacks himself
[10-Nov-2009 11:24:27] <rmatte> you are trying to install it as the zenoss user right?
[10-Nov-2009 11:24:33] <rmatte> you're not doing it as root or something?
[10-Nov-2009 11:25:05] <jrock2004> Well before you install an addon you need the LinuxMonitor installed LOL
[10-Nov-2009 11:25:15] <rmatte> oh, obviously
[10-Nov-2009 11:25:27] * jrock2004 smacks himself again
[10-Nov-2009 11:25:38] <rmatte> ah I see, it was running out trying to get a dependency pack from http://pypi.python.org/simple/
[10-Nov-2009 11:25:38] <rmatte> :P
[10-Nov-2009 11:25:46] <adytum-bot> Title: Simple Index (at pypi.python.org)
[10-Nov-2009 11:30:04] <kobalt> is there a way to set a template for a class, I have some devices that have some issues, waiting on the support to fix them (some of the oid's are not collection like IfInErrors, the device just does not respond to it) so I need to disable the snmp polling for about 55 devices
[10-Nov-2009 11:30:51] <jrock2004> I know this can be done I just cannot remember. Can you bind templates to individual devices instead of the whole class?
[10-Nov-2009 11:31:05] <kobalt> yes you can
[10-Nov-2009 11:31:31] <kobalt> I just dont want to create a local copy then modify it X55
[10-Nov-2009 11:32:44] <mrayzenoss> kobalt: create a sub-organizer of the current device class, remove the offending monitoring and move the 55 devices into it
[10-Nov-2009 11:33:05] <kobalt> I have the sub orginizer created
[10-Nov-2009 11:33:41] <kobalt> so for instance i have /devices/network/825
[10-Nov-2009 11:34:17] <kobalt> but how do I tell it from there to not collect the offending oids
[10-Nov-2009 11:34:34] <kobalt> its the ethernet template but only like 3 data points
[10-Nov-2009 11:35:25] <rmatte> kobalt: just copy the ethernet template from /Devices to /Devices/Network/825
[10-Nov-2009 11:35:30] <rmatte> then modify it
[10-Nov-2009 11:35:46] <rmatte> (though it will apply to all ethernet interfaces on those devices)
[10-Nov-2009 11:35:59] <kobalt> thats what I want
[10-Nov-2009 11:36:10] <rmatte> ok, then just follow what I said
[10-Nov-2009 11:36:12] <rmatte> and it'll be fine
[10-Nov-2009 11:36:15] <jrock2004> Does the Apache zencore pack give you the ability to graph apache stuff?
[10-Nov-2009 11:36:22] <rmatte> jrock2004: yes
[10-Nov-2009 11:40:22] <jrock2004> Ah I am looking in forum and it says I need to bind device to the apache template
[10-Nov-2009 11:41:47] <jrock2004> Hmm but I dont see a template for apache. I wonder if there is another addon I need to install to get that template
[10-Nov-2009 11:48:41] <kobalt> wee time to fill out another bug lol
[10-Nov-2009 11:50:38] <rmatte> lol
[10-Nov-2009 11:50:56] <rmatte> kobalt: it's not technically a bug by the way
[10-Nov-2009 11:51:06] <kobalt> rmatte: not that
[10-Nov-2009 11:51:11] <rmatte> kobalt: ah ok
[10-Nov-2009 11:51:11] <kobalt> rmatte: sorry hehe
[10-Nov-2009 11:51:50] <rmatte> jrock2004: there's probably a group that was added by the ZenPack which contains the template
[10-Nov-2009 11:51:50] <kobalt> rmatte: I found that you cant close events if you filter them by typing in the filter feild then select and event and hit close it gives a error
[10-Nov-2009 11:52:02] <rmatte> /Devices/App/Apache or something
[10-Nov-2009 11:52:26] <rmatte> kobalt: really? hmmmm
[10-Nov-2009 11:52:27] <jrock2004> I just installed in the Apache ZenPack even though the site says it should be installed by default
[10-Nov-2009 11:52:34] <jrock2004> At least the way I take it
[10-Nov-2009 11:52:47] <rmatte> hunh?
[10-Nov-2009 11:52:48] <jrock2004> Well off to lunch
[10-Nov-2009 11:52:59] <jrock2004> community/zenpacks
[10-Nov-2009 11:53:00] <kobalt> rmatte: if there is more the 100 selected
[10-Nov-2009 11:53:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: ZenPacks (at community.zenoss.org)
[10-Nov-2009 11:53:13] <jrock2004> ah it was a misread
[10-Nov-2009 11:53:29] <jrock2004> I seem to do that a lot
[10-Nov-2009 11:53:37] <rmatte> kobalt: yeh, deleting while filtered worked perfectly fine for me
[10-Nov-2009 11:53:51] <kobalt> rmatte: more the 100 events?
[10-Nov-2009 11:53:55] <jrock2004> Those are a list of the zenpacks provided by Zenoss themselfs
[10-Nov-2009 11:54:12] <rmatte> kobalt: no, I don't have more than 100 events on my King Crab test box
[10-Nov-2009 11:54:12] <kobalt> rmatte: was deleting all the error reading after I fixed the template
[10-Nov-2009 11:54:22] <rmatte> I see
[10-Nov-2009 11:56:09] <rmatte> hmmm, just found yet another bug with the event console lol
[10-Nov-2009 11:56:14] <rmatte> oh well, I'll log it later
[10-Nov-2009 11:56:18] <mrayzenoss> updated community/zenpacks with tags, let me know what you think
[10-Nov-2009 11:56:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: ZenPacks (at community.zenoss.org)
[10-Nov-2009 11:56:28] <kobalt> what you find rmatte
[10-Nov-2009 11:56:33] <mrayzenoss> now I gotta run to the webinar
[10-Nov-2009 11:57:01] <rmatte> kobalt: when you go to configure, save this configuration, and click on the link that it gives you the tabs above the event console aren't hidden when they should be
[10-Nov-2009 11:58:00] <kobalt> rmatte: you mean the mapping and classes tabs
[10-Nov-2009 11:58:24] <rmatte> anyways, sushi time
[10-Nov-2009 11:58:25] <rmatte> bbl
[10-Nov-2009 11:58:33] <rmatte> yes, those tabs shouldn't be there
[10-Nov-2009 12:00:01] <kobalt> is the preformace templates suppose to throw clears even if the threshold has not been crossed?
[10-Nov-2009 12:09:42] <daMaestro> anyone collecting stats from akamai and graphing in zenoss?
[10-Nov-2009 12:10:56] <daMaestro> i mean, i see the MIB.. but they have this whole java crap to actually do the polling
[10-Nov-2009 12:10:58] <daMaestro> https://control.akamai.com/dl/customers/other/ecmib/Akamai-EdgeControlMIB.mib
[10-Nov-2009 12:11:15] <adytum-bot> Title: Welcome to Akamai EdgeControl (at control.akamai.com)
[10-Nov-2009 12:16:27] <RoundQube> I set fa0/9 on my switch to unmonitored, how do I stop the events from being emailed out as well?
[10-Nov-2009 12:32:39] <jrock2004> Ok I am back. Had to install update to 10.6.2 for snow leopard
[10-Nov-2009 12:33:14] <kobalt> we jrock2004
[10-Nov-2009 12:33:17] <kobalt> err wb
[10-Nov-2009 12:34:01] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Are you here?
[10-Nov-2009 12:37:16] <jrock2004> kobalt: thanks
[10-Nov-2009 12:41:15] jrock2004_ is now known as jrock2004
[10-Nov-2009 12:58:07] <pokui> jrock2004: afaik mrayzenoss is giving a webebex demo right now
[10-Nov-2009 12:58:43] <jrock2004> Thanks
[10-Nov-2009 13:01:45] <mrayzenoss> I'm done with the webinar, what's up?
[10-Nov-2009 13:05:19] <jrock2004> yesterday I ran into an issue with the dashboard and a portlet
[10-Nov-2009 13:05:32] <jrock2004> I set a portlet to my gmail address
[10-Nov-2009 13:05:39] <mrayzenoss> yeah, I saw that
[10-Nov-2009 13:06:13] <jrock2004> Thought I would mention for possibly something in the future in the settings to disable some portlets
[10-Nov-2009 13:07:49] <jrock2004> I thought it would be cool to have my email load as a portlet and then my ticket system
[10-Nov-2009 13:08:03] <jrock2004> This way all I need is zenoss open and nothing else
[10-Nov-2009 13:23:39] <jrock2004> Is there anything in the docs about how to create custom commands and show the output like in the os tab?
[10-Nov-2009 13:30:09] <rmatte> jrock2004: yeh, the Zenoss development guide, good luck though
[10-Nov-2009 13:30:15] <rmatte> it's advanced stuff
[10-Nov-2009 13:30:25] <rmatte> there's no simple way to do it
[10-Nov-2009 13:30:41] <rmatte> I'm not even at that level yet
[10-Nov-2009 13:31:03] <jrock2004> I am assuming that inegrating the output to one of the tabs is the hard part?
[10-Nov-2009 13:33:04] <rmatte> the fact that you have to actually code a collector plugin to collect the data and code the GUI components yourself
[10-Nov-2009 13:37:03] <rmatte> I picked up modern warfare 2 during lunch, can't wait to play it when I get home
[10-Nov-2009 13:40:24] <mrayzenoss> I'm a bit slow on the game uptake… I just finished Portal from the Orange Box
[10-Nov-2009 13:40:50] <mrayzenoss> haven't even played Modern Warfare 1
[10-Nov-2009 13:40:56] <jrock2004> I heard that modern warfare got bad reviews
[10-Nov-2009 13:42:27] <mrayzenoss> I'll let you know in a few years when I play it :)
[10-Nov-2009 13:42:47] <mrayzenoss> I average about 2 hours of video games a week
[10-Nov-2009 13:42:56] <mrayzenoss> so it may be awhile
[10-Nov-2009 13:43:07] <rmatte> portal is an amazing game
[10-Nov-2009 13:43:12] <rmatte> I finished that like a year ago
[10-Nov-2009 13:43:26] <mrayzenoss> I think Half Life 2 is next for me
[10-Nov-2009 13:43:42] <rmatte> you should really get Modern Warfare 2, it'll blow your mind
[10-Nov-2009 13:45:58] <rmatte> omg, they still have some of these left:
[10-Nov-2009 13:45:59] <rmatte> http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Warfare-Prestige-Playstation-3/dp/B002HEWAD2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1257882063&sr=1-7
[10-Nov-2009 13:46:04] <rmatte> comes with working nightvision goggles
[10-Nov-2009 13:46:05] <rmatte> lol
[10-Nov-2009 13:47:12] <jrock2004> I am waiting for Assasins creed 2
[10-Nov-2009 13:47:20] <chudler> is MW2 actually a good game? I've been looking for a diversion lately..
[10-Nov-2009 13:47:38] <chudler> Its either that or Dragon Age
[10-Nov-2009 13:48:33] <rmatte> chudler: well, call of duty 4 which was the sequel to it was incredible, and MW2 has had perfect reviews so far
[10-Nov-2009 13:49:27] <mrayzenoss> http://www.theonion.com/content/video/ultra_realistic_modern_warfare
[10-Nov-2009 13:49:44] <adytum-bot> Title: Ultra-Realistic Modern Warfare Game Features Awaiting Orders, Repairing Trucks | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (at www.theonion.com)
[10-Nov-2009 13:49:53] <jrock2004> rmatte: I heard that online gameplay is not going to be free. Is this true since you have the box
[10-Nov-2009 13:50:59] <rmatte> jrock2004: for PS3 you mean?
[10-Nov-2009 13:51:09] <jrock2004> Yeah
[10-Nov-2009 13:51:23] <jrock2004> I heard somewhere that online play for this version was not going to be dree
[10-Nov-2009 13:51:26] <jrock2004> *free
[10-Nov-2009 13:51:42] <rmatte> that rumour has been floating around for ages, the thing is that really, Sony doesn't run any servers for most of the bigger games, the games are hosted by players on their PS3s
[10-Nov-2009 13:51:53] <rmatte> It's not like XBox Live where they host premium servers
[10-Nov-2009 13:51:56] <rmatte> so I highly doubt it
[10-Nov-2009 13:52:07] <rmatte> nothing has been announced by Sony at all, so it's just a rumour at this point
[10-Nov-2009 13:52:12] <jrock2004> so I am assuming your an ps3 owner?
[10-Nov-2009 13:52:26] <rmatte> correct
[10-Nov-2009 13:52:30] <rmatte> I love my ps3
[10-Nov-2009 13:52:50] <rmatte> I've got one of the first gen PS3s (bought it back just after it was released)
[10-Nov-2009 13:53:03] <jrock2004> I am so glad I was not talked into getting a xbox. I smartly chose ps3
[10-Nov-2009 13:53:42] <jrock2004> Well if you want you can add me to your ps3 list. My name is jrock2004 lol
[10-Nov-2009 13:53:44] <rmatte> yeh, ps3 will eventually be doing just as well if not better than xbox, it's just a matter of time
[10-Nov-2009 13:53:55] <rmatte> xbox has been around for like a year or two longer
[10-Nov-2009 13:54:04] <rmatte> cool, I'll add you
[10-Nov-2009 13:54:23] * mrayzenoss is a lonely xbox owner
[10-Nov-2009 13:54:49] <jrock2004> red ring turned me away from xbox
[10-Nov-2009 13:54:52] <rmatte> my friend still has an xbox
[10-Nov-2009 13:54:59] <rmatte> (the original)
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:08] <chudler> I have the 360. I've never even seen a ps3 so I guess I dont know what I am missing.
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:14] <mrayzenoss> I've been lucky I guess, I didn't get one until about 6 months ago
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:19] <mrayzenoss> no problems
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:40] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: original xbox or xbox360?
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:43] <mrayzenoss> 360
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:51] <rmatte> buy MW2!!!
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:51] <mrayzenoss> I really wanted to play Left4Dead
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:52] <rmatte> :)
[10-Nov-2009 13:56:09] <rmatte> yeh, Left4Dead was alright but I got bored of it fairly quickly
[10-Nov-2009 13:56:25] <rmatte> and I don't even own the game, but I played it a lot at my friend's place
[10-Nov-2009 13:56:30] <chudler> same here. I dont get what everyone liked about it so much. it was cheap?
[10-Nov-2009 13:56:40] <rmatte> Valve is not really impressing me with their anti-ps3 attitude
[10-Nov-2009 13:56:44] <mrayzenoss> I was playing it a lot for awhile, got my money's worth
[10-Nov-2009 13:57:05] <mrayzenoss> online in co-op mode with friends
[10-Nov-2009 13:57:09] <rmatte> I've hit 6th prestige on CoD4, so I've definitely gotten my money's worth on that game
[10-Nov-2009 13:57:21] <rmatte> (hit level 55 5 times)
[10-Nov-2009 13:57:48] <rmatte> guess I saw goodbye to cod4 tonight and hello to mw2
[10-Nov-2009 13:57:54] <rmatte> s/saw/say
[10-Nov-2009 13:58:04] <rmatte> co-op is always a lot of fun
[10-Nov-2009 13:58:09] <rmatte> one of my favourite game styles
[10-Nov-2009 13:58:57] rhettardo_ is now known as rhettardo
[10-Nov-2009 14:07:10] * zenethian would buy a PS3 if it had some good games on it.
[10-Nov-2009 14:07:27] <jrock2004> rmatte: ever play assasins creed?
[10-Nov-2009 14:08:45] <rmatte> jrock2004: yeh, I was near beating it and my brother wrote over my game
[10-Nov-2009 14:08:51] <rmatte> :P
[10-Nov-2009 14:09:04] <rmatte> I can't wait for the new one, it's due out in 7 days
[10-Nov-2009 14:09:21] <rmatte> going to be good
[10-Nov-2009 14:09:46] <jrock2004> Yeah I have it preordered
[10-Nov-2009 14:10:28] <jrock2004> I am going to put modern warfare on gamefly list
[10-Nov-2009 14:11:05] <rmatte> I anticipate wasting the rest of my weeknights and most of the weekend this week playing MW2
[10-Nov-2009 14:24:37] <cgibbons> hmmm
[10-Nov-2009 14:24:58] <jrock2004> Downloaded the printer zenpack and when I unzip the file its an xml file
[10-Nov-2009 14:25:02] <jrock2004> how do I import that
[10-Nov-2009 14:25:15] <jrock2004> docs/DOC-3380
[10-Nov-2009 14:25:22] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Generic Printer Monitor (at community.zenoss.org)
[10-Nov-2009 14:46:12] <pokui> hmm. running the stack installer --help doesn't seem to indicate which options you could use if you want an external mysql database. is that possible?
[10-Nov-2009 14:48:40] <jrock2004> Anyone here using the printer toner zenpack? I am getting -2 for both options
[10-Nov-2009 14:56:18] <jrock2004> When I do an snmpwalk I am getting negative numbers. Is this is an issue with my snmp server or the client?
[10-Nov-2009 15:06:04] <kobalt> so I have a system question, I will be monitoring probably 2250 devices, 95% switches. currently my server has dual xeon dual core 1.8 ghz will this be enough with maxed (32gb) ram?
[10-Nov-2009 15:08:02] <ckrough> a lot of that will depend on how many datapoints you are going to monitor, how long you are keeping the data, and how frequently you collect it
[10-Nov-2009 15:08:26] <ckrough> 2250 devices will probably requirement multiple servers
[10-Nov-2009 15:08:31] <ckrough> *require* I mean
[10-Nov-2009 15:10:02] <rmatte> well, multiple collectors anyways
[10-Nov-2009 15:10:13] <rmatte> if he has 32GB of RAM I doubt he'll need multiple servers
[10-Nov-2009 15:10:29] <ckrough> tinkering with solid state for the collectors
[10-Nov-2009 15:10:47] <ckrough> for that many switches? yeah he will
[10-Nov-2009 15:10:51] <ckrough> disk io...
[10-Nov-2009 15:10:55] <ckrough> collectors that is
[10-Nov-2009 15:10:59] <ckrough> not zenhub
[10-Nov-2009 15:11:45] <rmatte> yeh
[10-Nov-2009 15:12:16] <rmatte> jrock2004: snmp server issue obviously
[10-Nov-2009 15:13:01] <rmatte> pokui: you'd probably have to set that up by hand after installing
[10-Nov-2009 15:13:12] <rmatte> pokui: I doubt the stack installer supports that at install time
[10-Nov-2009 15:14:53] <kobalt> well with 6 gigs of ran and about 1300 devices 90% switches Zenoss is doing pretty good starting to lag a bit
[10-Nov-2009 15:16:03] <jrock2004> rmatte: I am thinking it might be the way the plugin is coded
[10-Nov-2009 15:16:14] <jrock2004> I did an snmpwalk and I get the -2
[10-Nov-2009 15:16:58] <rmatte> you just said that you get -2 no matter what
[10-Nov-2009 15:17:21] <jrock2004> yeah it is an old printer Gestetner 635gdm
[10-Nov-2009 15:17:24] <jrock2004> gsm
[10-Nov-2009 15:17:45] <rmatte> ok, just to straighten things out, it should be a positive value I assume?
[10-Nov-2009 15:19:07] <jrock2004> I am guessing
[10-Nov-2009 15:19:26] <jrock2004> cause I am getting an event if I enable the printer toner plugin
[10-Nov-2009 15:19:43] <rmatte> well, if you're getting that value from an actual snmpwalk then that's the value that the device is spitting out
[10-Nov-2009 15:19:50] <rmatte> so it's definitely not a Zenoss problem
[10-Nov-2009 15:21:00] <jrock2004> while I got your attention. I saw a zenpack for general printer and when I downloaded, there is no egg file
[10-Nov-2009 15:21:13] <rmatte> it's just a .zip?
[10-Nov-2009 15:21:45] <jrock2004> it was a zip but then when I unzip it there is an objects folder and in there is an xml file
[10-Nov-2009 15:21:52] <rmatte> then it's an old style ZenPack, which is basically no longer supported. .zip ZenPacks won't even work in 2.6.
[10-Nov-2009 15:22:08] <rmatte> they'll install in 2.5, but it's recommended to stay away from them
[10-Nov-2009 15:22:08] <ke4qqq> jrock2004: the printer mib specifies multiple ways that values can be returned -2 is a valid status for one of those ways - I don't recall if that zenpack supports interpreting all of the potential ways toner level can be represented.
[10-Nov-2009 15:22:19] <rmatte> they should eventually all get converted hopefully
[10-Nov-2009 15:22:35] <rmatte> the older ZenPacks tend to be lower quality anyways
[10-Nov-2009 15:22:53] <gwb2352> if anybody knows of a good (recent/new) printer monitoring zenpack please point me in that direction :)
[10-Nov-2009 15:23:13] <rmatte> the current is the newest
[10-Nov-2009 15:23:53] <gwb2352> docs/DOC-3424 ?
[10-Nov-2009 15:23:59] <jrock2004> Yeah I would love to be able to do some good monitoring of printers
[10-Nov-2009 15:24:00] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Printer Toner (at community.zenoss.org)
[10-Nov-2009 15:24:36] <rmatte> gwb2352: yes, that one is the only one, the old .zip one is probably garbage
[10-Nov-2009 15:24:43] <ke4qqq> gwb2352: at my last $dayjob I had to do it by hand for each class of printers.
[10-Nov-2009 15:24:56] <jrock2004> gwb2352: that is what we were just talking about. ke4qqq gives you the reason why that is not really good
[10-Nov-2009 15:24:58] Bryanstein is now known as zz_Bryanstein
[10-Nov-2009 15:26:27] <gwb2352> btw, the issue I was having with users/groups/AD authentication and auto-binding of global roles was fixed by support; there were accounts still in the zopedb (removed from the web gui) that were messing up the role assignment when adding a user (no roles assigned) to a group.
[10-Nov-2009 15:28:53] <rmatte> welcome back Matt, how did the webinar go?
[10-Nov-2009 15:30:34] <mrayzenoss> it was fine
[10-Nov-2009 15:30:43] <mrayzenoss> nothing earth-shattering
[10-Nov-2009 15:30:45] <gwb2352> https://monitorhost/zport/acl_users/roleManager/roleManager/manage_roles
[10-Nov-2009 15:30:47] <rmatte> cool
[10-Nov-2009 15:31:06] <gwb2352> had some accounts that no longer existed, mucking up the role assignment
[10-Nov-2009 15:31:43] <rmatte> ah
[10-Nov-2009 15:33:13] <jrock2004> rmatte: have you used the advance device details zenpack?
[10-Nov-2009 15:33:58] <rmatte> nope
[10-Nov-2009 15:34:07] <rmatte> it's a framework that's used by other ZenPacks
[10-Nov-2009 15:34:12] <rmatte> but there's still coding involved to use it
[10-Nov-2009 15:37:34] <jrock2004> Yeah I noticed that cause I added it and I see no changes
[10-Nov-2009 15:38:00] <rmatte> yeh, you won't
[10-Nov-2009 15:38:05] <rmatte> read the description of the pack
[10-Nov-2009 15:38:09] <rmatte> it explains exactly what it is
[10-Nov-2009 15:38:27] <jrock2004> I was hoping it would work cause it stated it would show cpu voltages and stuff
[10-Nov-2009 15:38:50] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: I like the new tags that you've added to the zenpacks area
[10-Nov-2009 15:39:20] <rmatte> jrock2004: where does it even say that?
[10-Nov-2009 15:39:23] <rmatte> it says:
[10-Nov-2009 15:39:26] <rmatte> "This ZenPack is currently used by the HP ProLiant Monitor ZenPack and Dell Monitor ZenPack (among others) to display additional hardware details and could be used by other ZenPacks as well. Examples of details include:"
[10-Nov-2009 15:39:45] <rmatte> and it goes on to list examples
[10-Nov-2009 15:40:24] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: thanks… I'm trying to find the right CSS to make a nice looking table
[10-Nov-2009 15:40:27] <jrock2004> that is the hp proliant that gives you that info
[10-Nov-2009 15:40:37] <rmatte> correct
[10-Nov-2009 15:41:10] <rmatte> table for the tags?
[10-Nov-2009 15:41:22] <rmatte> you can't just use the editor to create the table?
[10-Nov-2009 15:42:02] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: what wabout putting some more padding in the table
[10-Nov-2009 15:42:44] <mrayzenoss> see how the tables below are formatted? that's because they're in a Jive widget. The top section is raw HTML, so it doesn't get the nice CSS effects applied. Trying to figure that out
[10-Nov-2009 15:43:08] <rmatte> ah
[10-Nov-2009 15:43:09] <rmatte> gotcha
[10-Nov-2009 15:43:31] <mrayzenoss> if I say border=1, it looks like 1994 HTML
[10-Nov-2009 15:43:32] <rmatte> css effect for the text you mean?
[10-Nov-2009 15:43:36] <mrayzenoss> for the tables
[10-Nov-2009 15:43:37] <rmatte> ohhh
[10-Nov-2009 15:44:06] <rmatte> you know, you can just do view page source
[10-Nov-2009 15:44:14] <mrayzenoss> yeah, that's where I'm looking
[10-Nov-2009 15:44:18] <rmatte> Jive needs to render it in to CSS so that the browser can understand it hehe
[10-Nov-2009 15:44:22] <mrayzenoss> View Selection Source, even better
[10-Nov-2009 15:44:50] <jrock2004> wow jive loves nested divs
[10-Nov-2009 15:45:15] <rmatte> <p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"> </p><table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" style="border: 1px solid #000000; width: 100%;"><tbody><tr><th align="center" style="background-color: #6690bc;" valign="middle"><span style="color: #ffffff;">Published ZenPacks</span></th><th align="center" style="background-color: #6690bc;" valign="middle">
[10-Nov-2009 15:45:19] <rmatte> it's somewhere in there
[10-Nov-2009 15:45:48] <jrock2004> id="jive-widgetframe-body_5237"
[10-Nov-2009 15:45:50] <rmatte> style="border: 1px
[10-Nov-2009 15:45:50] <rmatte> solid #000000; width: 100%;"
[10-Nov-2009 15:45:54] <rmatte> that's what you want
[10-Nov-2009 15:45:55] <rmatte> style
[10-Nov-2009 15:46:06] <rmatte> (that's all one line)
[10-Nov-2009 15:50:12] <mrayzenoss> I think I like the tags with no borders… comments?
[10-Nov-2009 15:51:01] <rmatte> haha
[10-Nov-2009 15:51:05] <rmatte> it works fine without
[10-Nov-2009 15:51:37] <rmatte> it looks nice now that it's more spread out
[10-Nov-2009 15:51:48] <mrayzenoss> that's what I was going for mostly
[10-Nov-2009 15:51:51] <mrayzenoss> it was kinda cramped
[10-Nov-2009 15:51:54] <rmatte> yeh
[10-Nov-2009 15:52:34] <jrock2004> I like it
[10-Nov-2009 15:52:59] <mrayzenoss> ok, I'm done with tags, next task… posting new Zen Masters on the blog
[10-Nov-2009 15:53:11] <mrayzenoss> and getting beta t-shirts mailed out
[10-Nov-2009 15:53:17] <rmatte> hmmm weird
[10-Nov-2009 15:53:30] <rmatte> if I click on Windows the Windows SNMP Performance Monitor (Advanced) shows up twice
[10-Nov-2009 15:55:54] <mrayzenoss> weird
[10-Nov-2009 15:55:59] <rmatte> yeh
[10-Nov-2009 15:56:07] <rmatte> is it like tagged twice or something?
[10-Nov-2009 15:56:31] <mrayzenoss> not that I see, and both links go to the same doc
[10-Nov-2009 16:00:40] <rmatte> hmmm
[10-Nov-2009 16:06:01] <rmatte> I'm out of here folks, take care.
[10-Nov-2009 16:11:03] <jrock2004> See ya
[10-Nov-2009 16:11:10] <mrayzenoss> later
[10-Nov-2009 16:30:05] <jrock2004> Man this twill language sounds awesome
[10-Nov-2009 16:42:39] <kobalt> this is strange Im getting a zenjmx heartbeat failure.... I dont have the zenpack for jmx installed
[10-Nov-2009 16:43:05] <jbobjensen> \bye
[10-Nov-2009 18:06:35] <zuez> hi all. receiving this error when trying to restart zenoss after installing DellMonitor zenpack: http://pastie.textmate.org/692939
[10-Nov-2009 18:06:43] <adytum-bot> Title: #692939 - Pastie (at pastie.textmate.org)
[10-Nov-2009 18:07:13] <zuez> this is how the actual install error'd http://pastie.textmate.org/692941
[10-Nov-2009 18:07:17] <zuez> not having much luck googling it
[10-Nov-2009 18:07:20] <adytum-bot> Title: #692941 - Pastie (at pastie.textmate.org)
[10-Nov-2009 18:09:37] <zuez> Maybe I need the advanced details zenpack to get this to work
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[11-Nov-2009 05:17:02] <at88> hi all i have stange broblem with zenoss
[11-Nov-2009 05:17:27] <at88> 2009-11-11 17:04:32 ERROR zen.ZenModeler
[11-Nov-2009 05:17:27] <at88> Remote exception: sre_constants.error: unbalanced parenthesisTraceback
[11-Nov-2009 05:18:23] <at88> ive googled, upgraded to zenoss 2.5 but nothing happend, could somebody help me?
[11-Nov-2009 05:20:47] <at88> cat /etc/debian_version
[11-Nov-2009 05:20:47] <at88> 5.0.2
[11-Nov-2009 05:24:38] <at88> i've forgot to say this happens when i try to model device
[11-Nov-2009 05:25:07] <tr|ck> hi to all
[11-Nov-2009 05:26:07] <at88> hi!
[11-Nov-2009 05:26:20] <tr|ck> I was wondering if there's a way to reach the old zenoss site documentation...
[11-Nov-2009 05:29:28] <tr|ck> never mind, found it all, thanks anyway.
[11-Nov-2009 05:56:39] <at88> 20$ who helps me
[11-Nov-2009 05:56:51] <at88> :)
[11-Nov-2009 08:02:59] crow2 is now known as ckrough
[11-Nov-2009 08:22:52] * zenethian pours moar coffee
[11-Nov-2009 08:25:56] <jrock2004> rmatte: Well how is new Call of Duty?
[11-Nov-2009 08:35:23] <ke4qqq> rmatte must still be playing
[11-Nov-2009 08:35:45] <jrock2004> lol
[11-Nov-2009 08:59:02] <jrock2004> Anyone here use SNMP informant?
[11-Nov-2009 09:14:32] <mrayzenoss> morning all
[11-Nov-2009 09:14:41] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: per your suggestion, ratings are now at the top of pages
[11-Nov-2009 09:16:49] <MattD> jrock2004: I do, but don't know how much help I can be.
[11-Nov-2009 09:16:58] MattD is now known as mdereus
[11-Nov-2009 09:17:32] <jrock2004> Well I installed it on my windows server but now how do I get the added information that this application gives you? Does it do it automatically
[11-Nov-2009 09:22:24] jrock2004_ is now known as jrock2004
[11-Nov-2009 09:29:33] kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal
[11-Nov-2009 09:30:06] <zuez> where's the best place to look up how to actually apply this ZenPacks (DellMon) to a bunch of devices?
[11-Nov-2009 09:30:32] <jrock2004> mdereus: Any ideas?
[11-Nov-2009 09:41:56] <mrayzenoss> zuez: just bind it to the device class and the devices in that class will use it
[11-Nov-2009 09:42:22] <mrayzenoss> 5.2.1 of the admin guide
[11-Nov-2009 09:42:35] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3907#d4e2411
[11-Nov-2009 09:43:02] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 5.2 2 Templates (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 09:43:50] <jrock2004> Synthetic Web Transactions is a cool plugin
[11-Nov-2009 09:43:58] <mrayzenoss> very cool
[11-Nov-2009 09:44:04] <mrayzenoss> glad there's finally a community version
[11-Nov-2009 09:44:12] <jrock2004> just a little upset that your devices has to be in /Websites
[11-Nov-2009 09:44:36] <zuez> Ah, I think the problem is I was a retard and haven't installed Dell OpenManage
[11-Nov-2009 09:45:06] <jrock2004> zuez: I have made mistakes like that too so do not feel so bad ;)
[11-Nov-2009 09:46:41] <zuez> Yeah, now the question stands on whether or not Dell OpenManage exists for Ubuntu
[11-Nov-2009 09:46:50] <zuez> Because if I had to guess, they only have RPMs available
[11-Nov-2009 09:48:44] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Do you use that plugin?
[11-Nov-2009 09:50:36] <mdereus> jrock2004: I installed SNMP Informant and it just works. *shrug*
[11-Nov-2009 09:51:17] <mdereus> I haven't gotten too in depth with monitoring a ton of stuff other than if a critical service fails or a server is unreachable.
[11-Nov-2009 09:51:20] <jrock2004> mdereus: ok I will have to look cause I am getting no different information. hmmm
[11-Nov-2009 09:51:40] <mdereus> well it won't magically show you "more" information, you have to set up Zenoss to ask for it
[11-Nov-2009 09:51:47] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: nope, no Dell hardware under my control
[11-Nov-2009 09:52:48] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: oh no I was talking about the Synthetic Web Transactions
[11-Nov-2009 09:53:18] <jrock2004> mdereus: ah ok. So how would I go about doing that. Is there a doc to tell me how
[11-Nov-2009 09:53:31] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: when it came in I tested it just to see how it compared with the one in Enterprise
[11-Nov-2009 09:54:32] <jrock2004> ah. I would hate to move all my linux servers from the linux class to the website. Is there a way to add the device to 2 classes?
[11-Nov-2009 09:55:10] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: is there an internal and external URL for the server? maybe that would work?
[11-Nov-2009 09:55:53] <jrock2004> No the servers are hosted in another state so all they have is an external address
[11-Nov-2009 09:57:59] <jrock2004> mdereus: found some info in admin guide thanks
[11-Nov-2009 10:02:28] <jrock2004> mdereus: So it appears that I need to add the data sources manually for what I need to monitor. Is this correct?
[11-Nov-2009 10:07:32] <kobalt> anyone know what is causing this error in my zenperfsnmp.log http://pastebin.com/df0d5444
[11-Nov-2009 10:07:42] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[11-Nov-2009 10:08:05] <mdereus> jrock2004: Pretty much, I have only used the SNMP zenpacks that are offered on the site.
[11-Nov-2009 10:09:18] <jrock2004> mdereus: same here. Unfortunately there is no zenpack for snmpinformant. So I installed snmp informant on my Windows server and now need to communicate to it
[11-Nov-2009 10:10:35] <mdereus> There isn't an "SNMP-informant" zenpack, Informant allows Zenoss to retrieve SNMP data from Windows that the regular SNMP service doesn't.
[11-Nov-2009 10:11:14] <mdereus> What data are you looking to monitor?
[11-Nov-2009 10:12:49] <jrock2004> Well I would like to get cpu and memory usage working
[11-Nov-2009 10:13:03] <jrock2004> I found out that the oid for the memory is 1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.2
[11-Nov-2009 10:13:32] <jrock2004> when I snmpwalk that I get SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9600.1.1.2.2.0 = Gauge32: 331924
[11-Nov-2009 10:19:41] <jrock2004> Well I am getting an event that is telling me error reading value for oid 1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.2 is bad
[11-Nov-2009 10:21:46] <l2huynh> I know a lot of people are doing redundant internet to send email alert through a backup internet connection if the primary one went down. So can anyone give me some pointer on how to do this?
[11-Nov-2009 10:30:11] <jrock2004> Wondering if I should look into WMI instead of SNMP
[11-Nov-2009 10:31:15] <cgibbons> jrock, if your windows device is in the /Server/Windows device class, and you've got the SNMP informant agent running, you should get CPU & memory metrics without having to do anything else
[11-Nov-2009 10:31:24] <mdereus> Right now all I am using is the default zenpack template.
[11-Nov-2009 10:32:07] <mdereus> Under the perf tab it shows CPU usage, memory available and memory paging graphs.
[11-Nov-2009 10:33:01] <mdereus> On the OS tab it shows me the network interfaces and disk drives and some other things, and by default notifies me of disk usage greater than 90%
[11-Nov-2009 10:33:27] <mdereus> I did nothing more than set up SNMP on the server, install SNMP Informant and add the server to Zenoss.
[11-Nov-2009 10:34:25] <jrock2004> gotcha
[11-Nov-2009 10:36:59] <mdereus> So anything beyond that is a matter of using the correct zenpack or adding the class yourself.
[11-Nov-2009 10:37:51] <mdereus> On a similar note, I have found that Windows is quite a bit less informative than linux, and even more so if the Windows box is virtual.
[11-Nov-2009 10:49:39] <jrock2004> brb installing new wireless keyboard
[11-Nov-2009 10:55:11] <rmatte> does anyone else notice that when event counts for an event that's in the active event console gets a high count (like 1444 for example) that it just stops incrementing?
[11-Nov-2009 10:58:20] <mdereus> I don't let events get that high. ;)
[11-Nov-2009 10:58:21] <ke4qqq> rmatte: I haven't noticed that - at least in 2.4.x - I have acounts upward of 26887
[11-Nov-2009 10:58:34] <ke4qqq> s/acounts/counts/
[11-Nov-2009 10:59:32] <rmatte> hmmmm
[11-Nov-2009 10:59:39] <rmatte> for pings though
[11-Nov-2009 10:59:42] <rmatte> not for traps or whatever
[11-Nov-2009 11:00:17] <ke4qqq> hmmmmm no idea about pings - haven't had that problem
[11-Nov-2009 11:00:53] <rmatte> guess I'll wait until we upgrade to 2.5 and see if it's still present
[11-Nov-2009 11:01:30] <rmatte> actually, it looks like it just totally gave up on generating ping events for 2 of my devices all of a sudden
[11-Nov-2009 11:01:39] <zuez> How does one install a Zenpack that's not in .egg format? The PowerEdge 1950 zenpack has an __init__.py in it and an objects directory containing an xml file
[11-Nov-2009 11:01:43] <ke4qqq> zenping still up?
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:51] <rmatte> yup, check this out
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:53] <rmatte> 2009-11-10 13:27:02 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 4 jobs in 3.02 seconds
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:53] <rmatte> 2009-11-10 13:28:02 WARNING zen.ZenPing: ip 30.30.1.221 is down
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:53] <rmatte> 2009-11-10 13:28:02 WARNING zen.ZenPing: ip 10.100.10.100 is down
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:53] <rmatte> 2009-11-10 13:28:02 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 4 jobs in 3.02 seconds
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:53] <rmatte> 2009-11-10 13:28:59 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 2 jobs in 0.00 seconds
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:54] <rmatte> 2009-11-10 13:29:59 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 2 jobs in 0.01 seconds
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:56] <rmatte> 2009-11-10 13:30:59 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 2 jobs in 0.01 seconds
[11-Nov-2009 11:03:03] <rmatte> it was previously pinging 4 jobs, and seeing 2 devices down
[11-Nov-2009 11:03:12] <rmatte> and now it's pinging only 2 jobs each cycle
[11-Nov-2009 11:03:29] <rmatte> I saw this same issue on one of my production servers the other day
[11-Nov-2009 11:04:34] <mrayzenoss> zuez: don't unzip it, just install it as a regular ZenPack
[11-Nov-2009 11:04:38] <rmatte> I'm getting snmp agent down events, just no ping events
[11-Nov-2009 11:04:49] <rmatte> this seems like a pretty major bug to me
[11-Nov-2009 11:04:54] <mrayzenoss> zuez: someone (probably me) needs to convert it to an .egg
[11-Nov-2009 11:05:09] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: any idea if any bugs had been logged against zenping for 2.4.x?
[11-Nov-2009 11:06:14] <rmatte> ke4qqq: any way that you can add a device with some dummy IP, set it as non-production, and see if you can reproduce this on your 2.4.x install?
[11-Nov-2009 11:06:34] <rmatte> you'll have to leave the ping events sitting for a couple days
[11-Nov-2009 11:06:45] <rmatte> then you should notice the count no longer incrementing, and voila
[11-Nov-2009 11:07:09] <rmatte> no idea why zenping is suddenly just giving up on devices
[11-Nov-2009 11:07:37] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: hadn't heard of any
[11-Nov-2009 11:07:56] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: hmmmm, I'll test this on my King Crab box to see if I can duplicate the behaviour
[11-Nov-2009 11:08:15] <rmatte> if I can, that's a pretty bad bug
[11-Nov-2009 11:09:01] <mrayzenoss> seems more people would have reproduced it
[11-Nov-2009 11:09:31] <rmatte> people probably don't have devices down for more than a day at a time though
[11-Nov-2009 11:09:42] <mrayzenoss> I do
[11-Nov-2009 11:09:45] <mrayzenoss> I'm checking
[11-Nov-2009 11:09:52] <rmatte> or they just haven't noticed
[11-Nov-2009 11:09:59] <rmatte> since they are just leaving the events there to sit
[11-Nov-2009 11:10:13] <rmatte> I've never seen a ping event count make it to like 3000 or 4000
[11-Nov-2009 11:10:18] <rmatte> it always just stops somewhere
[11-Nov-2009 11:12:32] <rmatte> testing it with King Crab, guess I'll know in a couple days, the King Crab is a good control test since it's a perfectly clean install
[11-Nov-2009 11:12:34] <cgibbons> maxPingFailures = 1440
[11-Nov-2009 11:12:52] <mrayzenoss> my 2.5.0 box has 1320 and it's continuing to increment them… that said I'll keep looking for this
[11-Nov-2009 11:13:05] <rmatte> cgibbons: that explains why the event died at 1444
[11-Nov-2009 11:13:12] <rmatte> cgibbons: why is that even in place?
[11-Nov-2009 11:13:24] <rmatte> cgibbons: that's insane
[11-Nov-2009 11:13:51] <cgibbons> because in the real-world of the original authors they wanted it to stop trying when a device was clearly dead. it's a user-configurable value.
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:13] <cgibbons> go to your collector configuration, it's one of the values there
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:18] <rmatte> is it configurable in the UI?
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:24] <rmatte> ah
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:38] <rmatte> mystery solved
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:39] <cgibbons> "if pj.status < self.maxPingFailures or self.reconfigured:"
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:54] <rmatte> so is 0 unlimited?
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:56] <mrayzenoss> yay, not a bug
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:58] <jrock2004> I messed up my oid datasource for free memory on a windows box. Is there a way to find what the default value was?
[11-Nov-2009 11:15:08] <rmatte> or am I going to have to put 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
[11-Nov-2009 11:15:10] <rmatte> lol
[11-Nov-2009 11:15:41] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: which template/oid?
[11-Nov-2009 11:16:10] <cgibbons> it doesn't look like 0 would work
[11-Nov-2009 11:16:22] <jrock2004> Windows/Templates/Device/memoryAvaliableKBytes
[11-Nov-2009 11:16:55] <jrock2004> I thought it was 1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.2.0
[11-Nov-2009 11:16:56] <ke4qqq> rmatte: yeah I can do that
[11-Nov-2009 11:17:01] <rmatte> cgibbons: bah, alright, I'll just set it to something ludicrously high, it would make more sense if that was just defaulted to off and could be enabled if needed
[11-Nov-2009 11:17:15] <cgibbons> i disagree, but that's why it's configurable
[11-Nov-2009 11:17:25] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: 1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.2.0
[11-Nov-2009 11:17:38] <mrayzenoss> that's what I have, looks the same
[11-Nov-2009 11:17:48] <rmatte> cgibbons: now the real question is, once that's triggered, there's no way to get zenping to look at that device again without actually restarting zenping?
[11-Nov-2009 11:17:52] <jrock2004> ok so I was right. I guess I better give it a few minutes to generate
[11-Nov-2009 11:17:56] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Thanks
[11-Nov-2009 11:18:01] <mrayzenoss> np
[11-Nov-2009 11:18:02] <cgibbons> or if the device is 'reconfigured'
[11-Nov-2009 11:18:07] <rmatte> cgibbons: seems a bit stupid, how is Zenoss ever going to know that that device is back up without a restart?
[11-Nov-2009 11:18:09] <ke4qqq> ahhhh fascinating. is that documented anywhere cgibbons ???
[11-Nov-2009 11:18:20] <rmatte> reconfigured, so remodeled essentially
[11-Nov-2009 11:18:46] <rmatte> ke4qqq: I'm sure it's documented somewhere, just not in big bold lettering like it should be
[11-Nov-2009 11:19:12] <jrock2004> See this is what I get for trying to work with snmp informant ;)
[11-Nov-2009 11:19:27] <mrayzenoss> ke4qqq: not that I can find
[11-Nov-2009 11:19:30] * ke4qqq searching the admin guide now
[11-Nov-2009 11:20:11] <rmatte> cgibbons: there should be an option to outright disable that, this is monitoring software, it's supposed to monitor no matter what, not just give up because a device has been down for a couple of days
[11-Nov-2009 11:20:45] <cgibbons> If you want I can probably find you more users that would say that no, if it's dead I don't want to have to go back into the product and disable it because that means I took it offline. That's why it's configurable.
[11-Nov-2009 11:20:57] <rmatte> cgibbons: if you were a system admin monitoring a couple dozen servers then it wouldn't be such a big deal, but if you're an MSP monitoring hundreds of devices, and a router at a site is down for a few days, you're going to want Zenoss to still try to check status on that device via ping so that you know when it comes back up
[11-Nov-2009 11:20:59] <cgibbons> Sorry it doesn't fit your expected behavior, but it is that way deliberately.
[11-Nov-2009 11:21:21] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: open a ticket to make '0' work to never give up
[11-Nov-2009 11:21:46] <cgibbons> And produce a patch, it doesn't look like it would be hard to modify it to do what you want.
[11-Nov-2009 11:22:05] <rmatte> cgibbons: that's fine, I'll open a trac ticket for a feature request to make 0 work as unlimited as Matt suggested and that'll be that
[11-Nov-2009 11:22:21] <mrayzenoss> ke4qqq: a quick way to search all zenoss documentation is the search on the Community site set to the "Documentation" community
[11-Nov-2009 11:23:34] <rmatte> it's definitely good to know though, thanks for pointing that out :)
[11-Nov-2009 11:23:47] <mrayzenoss> it was news to me too :)
[11-Nov-2009 11:24:07] <rmatte> I'd noticed it before but always thought it was just due to a fluke and never thought much of it
[11-Nov-2009 11:25:50] <rmatte> actually meh, I'm setting it to 99999999999 which is over 3000 years, I would hope a device wouldn't be down that long
[11-Nov-2009 11:26:30] <mrayzenoss> I'd probably set it for a more realistic 30 years, but that's just me
[11-Nov-2009 11:26:46] <rmatte> hehe
[11-Nov-2009 11:31:32] <ke4qqq> mrayzenoss: interesting.
[11-Nov-2009 11:33:47] <rmatte> I won't even bother with opening the ticket to make 0 work, whatever
[11-Nov-2009 11:36:01] <cgibbons> "if pj.status < self.maxPingFailures or self.reconfigured:" change to "if not self.maxPingFailures or (pj.status < self.maxPingFailures) or self.reconfigured:"
[11-Nov-2009 11:37:05] <mrayzenoss> if you put that into a ticket as the patch we'll roll it into the source
[11-Nov-2009 11:37:07] <rmatte> jrock2004: you could just use my ZenPacks and not use snmp-informant :P
[11-Nov-2009 11:37:23] <jrock2004> Well send me a link
[11-Nov-2009 11:37:34] <jrock2004> I will warn you I am on 2.5
[11-Nov-2009 11:38:51] <mrayzenoss> cgibbons: I'm putting that into a patch for the ticket
[11-Nov-2009 11:38:57] <cgibbons> cool
[11-Nov-2009 11:39:01] <cgibbons> not like i tested it :)
[11-Nov-2009 11:39:14] <mrayzenoss> you will, I'm assigning it to you :)
[11-Nov-2009 11:39:22] <mrayzenoss> actually, I'll test it on my home install
[11-Nov-2009 11:40:36] <rmatte> jrock2004: my packs work fine on 2.5, I tested them
[11-Nov-2009 11:40:54] <jrock2004> Are they on the site?
[11-Nov-2009 11:41:21] <rmatte> docs/DOC-3386 or docs/DOC-3570
[11-Nov-2009 11:41:27] <rmatte> pick whichever you prefer
[11-Nov-2009 11:41:33] <rmatte> or install both, up to you
[11-Nov-2009 11:41:35] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Windows SNMP Performance Monitor (Advanced) (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 11:41:37] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Windows SNMP Performance Monitor (Simple) (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 11:42:36] <rmatte> make sure that you have bc and snmpwalk commands on the Zenoss box
[11-Nov-2009 11:42:45] <rmatte> the scripts that collect the data make use of them
[11-Nov-2009 11:43:40] <jrock2004> Thanks
[11-Nov-2009 11:44:13] <rmatte> np
[11-Nov-2009 11:44:22] <rmatte> I'll eventually convert the scripts to python when I have time
[11-Nov-2009 11:48:19] <rmatte> hmmmm, looks like I'll be doing some maintenance on my home PC tonight, just noticed that 2 of the case fans have died
[11-Nov-2009 11:48:25] <mrayzenoss> ok, I've added that patch and set my collector to 0
[11-Nov-2009 11:48:37] <mrayzenoss> I'll report back after 24 hours :)
[11-Nov-2009 11:48:48] <rmatte> there's a patch?
[11-Nov-2009 11:48:52] <rmatte> :O
[11-Nov-2009 11:50:41] <mrayzenoss> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5809
[11-Nov-2009 11:50:52] <mrayzenoss> no patch, just a diff
[11-Nov-2009 11:50:56] <mrayzenoss> off to lunch
[11-Nov-2009 11:51:13] <rmatte> cool
[11-Nov-2009 11:51:45] <jb> welp
[11-Nov-2009 11:51:53] <ilejn> Hello.
[11-Nov-2009 11:52:00] <jb> looks like im gonna be doing a core instance to monitor 900 windows domain controllers
[11-Nov-2009 11:52:09] <jb> at least try to :)
[11-Nov-2009 11:52:38] <ilejn> Is there any magic behind class/system/groups/location?
[11-Nov-2009 11:52:51] <chudler_> magic?
[11-Nov-2009 11:52:55] chudler_ is now known as chudler
[11-Nov-2009 11:53:38] <ilejn> If my goal is to classify devices by, say, size and color, is it Ok to use Groups as size and Location as color?
[11-Nov-2009 11:53:48] <rmatte> jb: have fun with that lol
[11-Nov-2009 11:53:55] <ilejn> Is there any predefined semantic?
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:05] <rmatte> jb: you may want to split them across 2 or even 3 local or remote collectors
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:11] <chudler> ilejn: no
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:23] <ilejn> As far as I know, location associated with Google maps.
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:30] <rmatte> speaking of which, is there a guide somewhere on how to setup secondary local collectors?
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:31] <jb> well, i really just want to use one box :)
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:35] <ilejn> Anything besides this?
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:36] <jb> don't plan on using WMI
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:36] <chudler> ah, yeah I forgot about that. Otherwise no :-)
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:43] <rmatte> you'd be using 1 box
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:45] <ilejn> Thanks a lot.
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:48] <rmatte> with multiple collectors on it
[11-Nov-2009 11:55:06] <jb> any writeups or anything on this?
[11-Nov-2009 11:55:19] <rmatte> now that I've tried WMI to monitor windows hosts I won't touch it with a ten foot pole
[11-Nov-2009 11:55:56] <rmatte> especially since SNMP is infinately more reliable, and after some scripting I can get basically anything off a windows box via SNMP
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:06] <jb> yeah i only want to do SNMP with these
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:09] <jb> and very limited at that
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:14] <rmatte> yeh
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:15] <jb> definetely ICMP availability
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:20] <jb> and maybe cpu/memory usage
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:35] <rmatte> you'll have to do it limited or you'll potentially blow over your monitoring cycles
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:35] <jb> i should be able to do this without SNMP informant, right?
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:40] <jb> these are all 2core boxes
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:11] <rmatte> jb: are you planning on collecting CPU and memory stats at all?
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:19] <jb> yeah, i'd like to
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:22] <jb> (via snmp)
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:32] <jb> but these don't have SNMP Informant.. and I'd rather not push that out
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:35] <rmatte> I wrote ZenPacks for doing that
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:40] <rmatte> without snmp informant
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:51] <rmatte> check out the WIndows SNMP Performance ZenPacks on the community site
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:56] <rmatte> there's an advanced and a simple one
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:00] <jb> k
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:02] <rmatte> read the descriptions to see the difference
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:11] <jb> hrm.. worried about disk performance too in this box
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:18] <jb> i think im just gonna use a spare dell poweredge 1955 blade
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:23] <jb> 4 core / 16GB of ram / RAID1
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:32] <jb> i may need to move it to a bigger box
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:36] <rmatte> monitoring 900 devices on one box, especially servers, is going to be pretty taxing
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:43] <rmatte> I'd beef up that box as best you can
[11-Nov-2009 11:59:06] <jb> well, if all goes well, i'll probably just order a new box for it
[11-Nov-2009 11:59:14] <jb> 8core / 32+GB / local raid10's or whatever
[11-Nov-2009 11:59:36] <rmatte> yeh, you'll definitely need something beefy
[11-Nov-2009 11:59:43] <jrock2004> rmatte: Does your zenpack not need snmp informant running?
[11-Nov-2009 11:59:54] <rmatte> jrock2004: it doesn't
[11-Nov-2009 12:00:07] <jb> i'll also need a way to automate adding these devices
[11-Nov-2009 12:00:08] <rmatte> just plain jane windows snmp service
[11-Nov-2009 12:00:11] <jb> they are all 10.x.x.15
[11-Nov-2009 12:00:12] <jrock2004> Ok so I can uninstall that from those servers
[11-Nov-2009 12:00:19] <rmatte> jrock2004: correct
[11-Nov-2009 12:01:25] <rmatte> jrock2004: I wrote those packs because one of our clients that we're monitoring 80 servers for didn't want snmp-informant installed on their servers (they run a tight ship)
[11-Nov-2009 12:01:57] <jrock2004> Did they care about cpu temps and stuff like that?
[11-Nov-2009 12:02:13] <rmatte> not really
[11-Nov-2009 12:02:46] <rmatte> CPU temp OIDs are more dependant on the actual type of server that you're running though
[11-Nov-2009 12:03:05] <rmatte> there's a zenpack for HP Proliants that collects temperature info for example
[11-Nov-2009 12:03:13] <rmatte> if they wanted it for anything else I'd have to custom develop it
[11-Nov-2009 12:07:48] <rmatte> I think I'm going to buy a roomba
[11-Nov-2009 12:07:56] <rmatte> I'm sick of sweeping this place by hand lol
[11-Nov-2009 12:08:32] <rmatte> and I shall hack it and program it to also deliver me beer during hockey games :P
[11-Nov-2009 12:10:05] <rmatte> I never understand why people do IP addressing like that
[11-Nov-2009 12:10:10] <rmatte> they are called subnets for a reason :P
[11-Nov-2009 12:10:44] <rmatte> its best practice to use proper ranges
[11-Nov-2009 12:11:01] <rmatte> well I guess you have 1 server per subnet or something?
[11-Nov-2009 12:11:38] <jrock2004> hmmm now I am getting a bunch of events for my windows box. It is telling me oid are bad
[11-Nov-2009 12:12:02] <rmatte> jrock2004: well, those messages can't be coming from my ZenPack
[11-Nov-2009 12:12:06] <rmatte> so it's something else
[11-Nov-2009 12:12:10] <jrock2004> oh I know that
[11-Nov-2009 12:12:23] <rmatte> are you sure that you configured snmp properly on the server itself?
[11-Nov-2009 12:12:36] <jrock2004> I think what happen is when I was playing with snmp informant I loaded its mib
[11-Nov-2009 12:12:49] <jrock2004> it then changed my oid
[11-Nov-2009 12:13:00] <rmatte> you probably loaded it's template
[11-Nov-2009 12:13:12] <rmatte> you need to remove the standard windows devices template, or unbind it
[11-Nov-2009 12:13:13] <mdereus> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5714 - Does this mean the solution to this problem will be supplied in a 2.5.1 update or can I fix this manually?
[11-Nov-2009 12:13:15] <rmatte> then use mine instead
[11-Nov-2009 12:14:04] <rmatte> mdereus: just execute "zenpatch 15583" as the zenoss user
[11-Nov-2009 12:14:11] <rmatte> then restart zenoss
[11-Nov-2009 12:14:17] <mdereus> oh, nice
[11-Nov-2009 12:14:30] * mdereus runs off to take a snapshot and break Zenoss.
[11-Nov-2009 12:14:47] <rmatte> hehe
[11-Nov-2009 12:15:05] <mdereus> wasn't aware of this zenpatch utility
[11-Nov-2009 12:15:40] <mdereus> after I blew away the broken 2.5 upgrade I reinstalled 2.5 fresh and haven't touched in a week
[11-Nov-2009 12:15:54] <mdereus> kind of want to get it up and running so I have some "ammo" to give to my boss
[11-Nov-2009 12:16:01] <rmatte> yeh, zenpatch is awesome
[11-Nov-2009 12:16:09] <rmatte> you just need to supply it the patch number and it does the rest
[11-Nov-2009 12:17:24] <rmatte> just make sure that a patch has been verified on Trac before applying it :)
[11-Nov-2009 12:20:30] <rmatte> hey egor
[11-Nov-2009 12:20:42] <bigegor> hey
[11-Nov-2009 12:21:10] <rmatte> I sent you a message on the community site, I know you're probably busier than hell but if you have a second could you please respond to it?
[11-Nov-2009 12:22:09] <rmatte> oh you did
[11-Nov-2009 12:22:13] <rmatte> (sorry, just noticed)
[11-Nov-2009 12:22:24] <jrock2004> rmatte: So how is new Call of Duty?
[11-Nov-2009 12:22:25] <bigegor> no problem ;)
[11-Nov-2009 12:24:22] <mdereus> rmatte: Do I need to restart zenoss after running zenpatch?
[11-Nov-2009 12:24:41] <rmatte> jrock2004: even better than I thought it would be (also, it's not officially part of the CoD franchise anymore, it's breaking off in to it's own, hence why it's only called Modern Warfare 2 :)
[11-Nov-2009 12:24:58] <jrock2004> :)
[11-Nov-2009 12:25:01] <rmatte> actually weird
[11-Nov-2009 12:25:12] <rmatte> it does actually say "call-duty" on the case
[11-Nov-2009 12:25:18] <rmatte> hadn't noticed that before, so maybe not
[11-Nov-2009 12:25:38] <rmatte> but yeh, it is phenominal
[11-Nov-2009 12:26:08] <jrock2004> I was reading on Twitter that people do not like the googles
[11-Nov-2009 12:26:20] <jrock2004> *goggles
[11-Nov-2009 12:26:21] <rmatte> I've only played the single player so far... there's one scene where this guy who is driving the car that you're in gets shot in the head, so you duck down, and the brain matter on the dashboard looks incredibly real
[11-Nov-2009 12:26:38] <rmatte> oh, you mean the goggles that came with the special edition of the game?
[11-Nov-2009 12:26:51] <jrock2004> Yeah
[11-Nov-2009 12:27:12] <rmatte> ah, well I don't intend to buy that anyways, and if I did the goggles would be left sitting for show rather than use
[11-Nov-2009 12:27:37] <rmatte> but yeh, I started playing it last night and had a really hard time putting it down
[11-Nov-2009 12:28:38] wildcard1 is now known as wildcard0
[11-Nov-2009 12:28:53] <jrock2004> I will be same when assasins creed comes out
[11-Nov-2009 12:30:04] <rmatte> yeh, my friend is bonkers over the new assassin's creed too
[11-Nov-2009 12:30:32] <rmatte> he's like "You shoot, I ASSASSINATE!"
[11-Nov-2009 12:33:28] <mdereus> 2009-11-11 12:32:41,332 INFO zen.ZenActions: Processed 0 commands in 0.000047
[11-Nov-2009 12:33:28] <mdereus> 2009-11-11 12:32:41,334 INFO zen.ZenActions: processed 0 rules in 0.00 secs
[11-Nov-2009 12:33:36] <mdereus> yay rmatte, thanks again
[11-Nov-2009 12:33:48] <jrock2004> I find that games like Modern Warfar are just not my style. I mean I am a sniper but you kids are just too fast for me :)
[11-Nov-2009 12:34:19] <mdereus> Camping is a legitimate tactic. You don't need to be fast. :)
[11-Nov-2009 12:35:03] <jrock2004> well I camp but then someone comes from behind me and knives me bad lol
[11-Nov-2009 12:35:32] <chemist> camping is intense
[11-Nov-2009 12:35:39] <chemist> (in tents)
[11-Nov-2009 12:36:08] <mdereus> rimshot
[11-Nov-2009 12:36:11] <mdereus> :)
[11-Nov-2009 12:37:24] <mdereus> jrock2004: Gotta shoot and move to a new spot, the game has a death camera IIRC
[11-Nov-2009 12:37:57] <jrock2004> I hear ya
[11-Nov-2009 12:39:15] <rmatte> np
[11-Nov-2009 12:40:04] <rmatte> I don't camp at all, my friends are always like "YOU NEVER STOP MOVING, YOU JUST CHARGE IN!", but then I remind them that I'm at the top of the score list for that match :P
[11-Nov-2009 12:40:05] <zuez> Is there somewhere that lists the difference between ZenManager and Manager? I don't see specifics in documentation
[11-Nov-2009 12:40:14] <rmatte> the only time I "camp" is if I'm sniping
[11-Nov-2009 12:40:21] <rmatte> which is what snipers do
[11-Nov-2009 12:40:23] <rmatte> lol
[11-Nov-2009 12:40:35] <chudler> zuez manager can access the Zope interface IIRC
[11-Nov-2009 12:40:57] <chudler> but the answer to your question is "yes". I just dont know where.
[11-Nov-2009 12:41:02] <zuez> chudler: So it doesn't make a difference if I grant myself all of the permissions? Manager will inherit the same capabilities as Admin user?
[11-Nov-2009 12:41:23] <chudler> yes, you only have to give yourself Manager to have everything.
[11-Nov-2009 12:41:38] <rmatte> zuez: all I know is that when I was setting up my LDAP roles, Manager worked, ZenManager did not
[11-Nov-2009 12:41:41] <rmatte> for whatever reason
[11-Nov-2009 12:41:47] <zuez> ok, thanks folks
[11-Nov-2009 12:44:17] <rmatte> np
[11-Nov-2009 12:44:36] <jrock2004> rmatte: Have yo uused Synthetic Web Transactions
[11-Nov-2009 12:44:53] <rmatte> yup
[11-Nov-2009 12:45:02] <rmatte> I set one up for one of our client's websites
[11-Nov-2009 12:45:35] <jrock2004> Ok so I a server setup that is in class /device/Server/Linux
[11-Nov-2009 12:45:54] <jrock2004> on that server I have a website where I would love to use this synthetic zenpack
[11-Nov-2009 12:46:17] <jrock2004> issue is for the syntehic thing to work the server needs to be in /Websited
[11-Nov-2009 12:46:31] <jrock2004> Is there a way around this?
[11-Nov-2009 12:46:33] <rmatte> well, the synthetic zenpack installs to /App/Web or something, I moved it to /App/HTTP, you just need to take the template that it installs and move it to the Linux class then bind it to your device
[11-Nov-2009 12:46:53] <rmatte> copy the template over
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:07] <jrock2004> How would I do that?
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:12] <jrock2004> is there a dic for that
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:16] <rmatte> Zenoss is pretty flexible, you'll just have to remember to copy it over again if the ZenPack gets updated
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:17] <jrock2004> doc
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:23] <rmatte> a doc?
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:30] <rmatte> it's literally an option in the dropdown menu
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:33] <rmatte> go to templates
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:38] <rmatte> put a checkmark next to the template
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:44] <rmatte> and then select copy template from the dropdown
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:50] <rmatte> and copy it to the Linux class
[11-Nov-2009 12:48:38] <rmatte> you might also want to use the HttpMon ZenPack in conjunction with it
[11-Nov-2009 12:49:05] <rmatte> jrock2004: actually, the thing is...
[11-Nov-2009 12:49:16] <rmatte> jrock2004: does the hostname of the server in Zenoss actually match the URL of the site?
[11-Nov-2009 12:49:56] <jrock2004> no
[11-Nov-2009 12:50:02] <jrock2004> I know you have to change it over to
[11-Nov-2009 12:50:06] <rmatte> if it doesn't, then what you should do is add a second device with the name set as the URL of the site, then add that device to the /Websites group
[11-Nov-2009 12:50:10] <rmatte> that's the proper way to do it
[11-Nov-2009 12:50:33] <rmatte> you make new devices to represent each site
[11-Nov-2009 12:50:38] <rmatte> that's why the class is separate
[11-Nov-2009 12:51:14] <jrock2004> Wehn I try to add a new device I get an error
[11-Nov-2009 12:51:24] <jrock2004> Unable to add the device websiteURL
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:09] <rmatte> does it explain why?
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:14] <jrock2004> Nope
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:24] <rmatte> that's pretty dumb lol
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:25] <rmatte> try again
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:28] <chemist> IP address?
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:37] <rmatte> you're not literally putting http:// as part of the device name right
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:46] <jrock2004> wait yeah it complains that the ip already exists
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:51] <rmatte> ah
[11-Nov-2009 12:53:06] <rmatte> add it as a fake IP, then change the IP and the hostname after it's added (you can do that)
[11-Nov-2009 12:53:14] <rmatte> the options are available from the device page
[11-Nov-2009 12:53:21] <rmatte> Rename Device and Reset IP
[11-Nov-2009 12:53:36] <rmatte> the IP isn't going to matter anyways
[11-Nov-2009 12:54:05] <rmatte> make sure that ping monitoring is disabled for the device
[11-Nov-2009 12:54:28] <rmatte> (I'd disable ping monitoring for the whole /Websites class if it's enabled)
[11-Nov-2009 12:55:15] <jrock2004> That worked
[11-Nov-2009 12:55:20] <rmatte> good
[11-Nov-2009 12:55:33] <rmatte> I need to go afk for a few but I'm sure you can figure out the rest
[11-Nov-2009 12:55:44] <jrock2004> Yep thanks
[11-Nov-2009 12:55:48] <rmatte> bbiaf
[11-Nov-2009 12:55:49] <rmatte> np
[11-Nov-2009 13:12:06] <swygue> rmatte: what's up dude, thanks again for that piece of code to clear events
[11-Nov-2009 13:14:07] <swygue> I want trigger a threshold whenever a server starts to swap, I have the min value set to this; here.totalBlocks * .1. I'm hoping to catch the lowest value possible. Will this work, any idea's
[11-Nov-2009 13:19:22] <rmatte> I'm back
[11-Nov-2009 13:19:45] <rmatte> swygue: what kind of server?
[11-Nov-2009 13:24:44] <swygue> rmatte: do you mean the OS, its Ubuntu flavor Linux
[11-Nov-2009 13:25:00] <rmatte> ok, are you monitoring via SNMP?
[11-Nov-2009 13:26:26] <rmatte> ah, I just noticed that the low swap threshold defaults to a value of "1024000"
[11-Nov-2009 13:26:31] <rmatte> that's pretty stupid
[11-Nov-2009 13:27:23] <rmatte> here.totalBlocks probably won't work since swap isn't displayed in blocks
[11-Nov-2009 13:27:26] <swygue> rmatte: yes it is
[11-Nov-2009 13:27:38] <jrock2004> On that Synthetic it says to add a data source which I do but in the drop down I dont see WebTX
[11-Nov-2009 13:27:46] <rmatte> I'm pretty sure that swap is gathered in just plain bytes
[11-Nov-2009 13:27:54] <swygue> I noticed that after loosing a production server because it started to swap
[11-Nov-2009 13:28:03] <swygue> i'm monitoring using SSH
[11-Nov-2009 13:28:25] <rmatte> jrock2004: are you even looking at the right guide?
[11-Nov-2009 13:28:36] <jrock2004> Zenoss Extended Monitoring
[11-Nov-2009 13:28:38] <rmatte> jrock2004: there are 2 different synthetic zenpacks, one is enterprise only
[11-Nov-2009 13:28:47] <rmatte> you're probably using the community one?
[11-Nov-2009 13:28:56] <jrock2004> ah that is for enterprise
[11-Nov-2009 13:29:02] <jrock2004> yeah
[11-Nov-2009 13:29:06] <rmatte> yeh, follow the steps that are ON the ZenPack page
[11-Nov-2009 13:29:09] <rmatte> don't use the docs
[11-Nov-2009 13:29:31] <jrock2004> well without a doc how the heck can you set it up :)
[11-Nov-2009 13:29:43] <rmatte> the doc is the zenpack page
[11-Nov-2009 13:29:49] <rmatte> why doesn't anyone actually read the zenpack pages?
[11-Nov-2009 13:30:08] <swygue> rmatte: I have to run, I opened a ticket with support. I was looking for a quick answer When I get back I'll share with you any new info
[11-Nov-2009 13:30:13] <rmatte> I always have people asking me how to use some of my ZenPacks when the ZenPack pages explain how to do it in detail lol
[11-Nov-2009 13:30:23] <rmatte> swygue: cool
[11-Nov-2009 13:31:44] <jrock2004> rmatte: Well you read those pages and other tell you to read the admin pdf's
[11-Nov-2009 13:31:55] <jrock2004> I am sorry
[11-Nov-2009 13:32:15] <rmatte> lol, all good, I'm just saying, when you download a ZenPack read the zenpack page
[11-Nov-2009 13:32:25] <rmatte> it generally has important details about the pack
[11-Nov-2009 13:37:29] <jrock2004> Let me guess with the community version I cannot use the testgen4web firefox addon
[11-Nov-2009 13:38:20] <rmatte> jrock2004: why wouldn't you be able to?
[11-Nov-2009 13:38:31] <rmatte> it's twill, which is the same thing that the enterprise pack uses
[11-Nov-2009 13:38:42] <rmatte> you just can't actually add the scripts from the UI
[11-Nov-2009 13:39:20] <rmatte> I don't know much about testgen4web, but if it uses twill then you're fine
[11-Nov-2009 13:40:25] <mrayzenoss> yeah, testgen4web should work just fine
[11-Nov-2009 13:41:58] <jrock2004> Ok will have to look. Getting a fail message. Wondering is script has an error
[11-Nov-2009 13:42:23] <rmatte> you should test the script first
[11-Nov-2009 13:42:32] <rmatte> just go in to the twill console and try it line by line
[11-Nov-2009 13:42:38] <rmatte> if it runs clean then you can use it
[11-Nov-2009 13:43:28] <rmatte> type twill-sh to get in to it
[11-Nov-2009 13:43:37] <jrock2004> in there now.
[11-Nov-2009 13:43:39] <rmatte> k
[11-Nov-2009 13:46:04] <Troubadix09> hello all
[11-Nov-2009 13:46:15] <rmatte> bigegor: you still around?
[11-Nov-2009 13:46:22] <rmatte> Troubadix09: hey
[11-Nov-2009 13:47:39] <jrock2004> well it looks like testgen4web will not work
[11-Nov-2009 13:47:56] <Troubadix09> rmatte: you shown a link in previous irc-session with tuning tips for zenoss, i don't remember the doc-number and i search for it in the forum and didn't find it. Can you show again?
[11-Nov-2009 13:48:02] <rmatte> why's that?
[11-Nov-2009 13:48:18] <rmatte> jrock2004: you are running it through something to convert it to twill right?
[11-Nov-2009 13:48:52] <jrock2004> I was under the thought that testgen4web was a twill script generator
[11-Nov-2009 13:49:00] <rmatte> Troubadix09: docs/DOC-2521
[11-Nov-2009 13:49:07] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - How to tweak zenoss (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 13:49:17] <rmatte> jrock2004: no, it just dumps your transactions to xml
[11-Nov-2009 13:49:25] <jrock2004> ah
[11-Nov-2009 13:49:28] <rmatte> jrock2004: you need a twill translator script to go with it
[11-Nov-2009 13:49:36] <rmatte> hunt around on google, there are some floating around
[11-Nov-2009 13:50:10] <Troubadix09> rmatte: ah, many thanks, it was "tweak", i search for "tuning" lol ;-)
[11-Nov-2009 13:50:20] <rmatte> yup :)
[11-Nov-2009 13:52:25] <jrock2004> is twill basically pythin
[11-Nov-2009 13:52:28] <jrock2004> python
[11-Nov-2009 13:54:20] bzed_ is now known as bzed
[11-Nov-2009 13:54:30] <rmatte_> well, that was fun
[11-Nov-2009 13:54:40] rmatte_ is now known as rmatte
[11-Nov-2009 13:55:04] <rmatte> no, twill is written in python, but it is not python
[11-Nov-2009 13:57:20] <jrock2004> ok still looking for a converter
[11-Nov-2009 13:58:02] <rmatte> you might have to bite the bullet and write it by hand, but it's not hard to do
[11-Nov-2009 13:58:13] <rmatte> twill is the most braindead simple language I've ever coded anything in
[11-Nov-2009 13:58:53] <jrock2004> It appears to be yes
[11-Nov-2009 14:00:34] <jrock2004> once I see a working example I should be ok
[11-Nov-2009 14:00:57] <jrock2004> formvalueloginform __ac_name "user"
[11-Nov-2009 14:01:11] <rmatte> there's a working example on the zenpack page
[11-Nov-2009 14:01:20] <jrock2004> is that __ac_name the id of the field
[11-Nov-2009 14:01:22] <rmatte> and a link on the zenpack page to a page that teaches you how to write twill scripts
[11-Nov-2009 14:01:51] <jrock2004> I was reading that
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:33] <rmatte> here's the one I did
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:35] <rmatte> setlocal username wheres
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:35] <rmatte> setlocal password waldo
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:35] <rmatte> go http://hiding.in/
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:35] <rmatte> formvalue 1 Username $username
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:35] <rmatte> formvalue 1 Password $password
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:36] <rmatte> submit
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:38] <rmatte> follow logout
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:40] <rmatte> code 200 # make sure form submission is correct!
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:53] <rmatte> so in that case it would navigate to hiding.in (which doesn't exist, just an example)
[11-Nov-2009 14:04:06] <rmatte> it would fill out the field called username with the username and password with the password
[11-Nov-2009 14:04:12] <rmatte> it would then submit the request
[11-Nov-2009 14:04:25] <rmatte> and it then follows the logout link once it has logged in
[11-Nov-2009 14:04:35] <rmatte> and makes sure that the logout request finished successfully
[11-Nov-2009 14:06:22] <mrayzenoss> I had another example, I'll dig it up and attach it to the ZenPack page
[11-Nov-2009 14:08:20] <rmatte> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/TestGen4Web-Python <--- Apparently this is what can be used to convert from testgen4web to twill
[11-Nov-2009 14:08:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Python Package Index : TestGen4Web-Python 0.2.1 (at pypi.python.org)
[11-Nov-2009 14:09:39] <rmatte> Usage: testgen-convert [test type] [test method] [TestGen4Web session XML file]
[11-Nov-2009 14:09:39] <mrayzenoss> added my test as a comment, trivial example
[11-Nov-2009 14:10:35] <rmatte> test-type would be twill-shell
[11-Nov-2009 14:11:09] <jrock2004> will download that
[11-Nov-2009 14:21:09] <__jd__> Is there any documentation on the REST/XMLRPC API? :) The developer's guide doesn't seem to be very helpful in this regard unless I'm missing something
[11-Nov-2009 14:24:27] <rmatte> __jd__: the developer's guide should cover that
[11-Nov-2009 14:24:36] <rmatte> have you read it thoroughly?
[11-Nov-2009 14:24:42] <rmatte> also, what are you trying to do via xml-rpc?
[11-Nov-2009 14:26:55] <__jd__> I guess I'm looking for a list of methods
[11-Nov-2009 14:27:05] <__jd__> but what I'm trying to do is just add datapoints :)
[11-Nov-2009 14:27:33] <rmatte> ah, if it was event manipulation I'd be able to help, but I've no idea about adding datapoints
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:01] <__jd__> I've got a new data source with over 100 data points
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:07] <__jd__> I don't feel like getting carpal tunnel today :-D
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:08] <rmatte> I'm not even sure if that's possible via xml-rpc
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:14] <__jd__> it can be REST too
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:15] <__jd__> I don't care
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:28] <__jd__> as long as it's not by my mouse :-D
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:29] <rmatte> why don't you try just doing it right in zendmd?
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:37] <__jd__> ah.. there we go :P
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:37] <rmatte> why bother with xml-rpc if you're not calling on it remotely?
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:46] <__jd__> haven't messed with zendmd at all
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:51] <__jd__> I'll have to look into it
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:07] <rmatte> yeh, it's basically a python shell but with a bunch of zenoss stuff loaded in to it
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:14] <rmatte> so you can call on zenoss functions
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:19] <majikman> which template do i want to use to get bandwidth monitoring on my siwtches?
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:27] <chudler> I have mass-added datapoints with REST & dmd, but I cant find my scripts, I probably deleted them. xml-rpc probably can do it also.
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:34] <majikman> is it ethernetCsmacd_64?
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:38] <__jd__> majikman, yea
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:44] <rmatte> majikman: depends on what the interface "type" is
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:50] <rmatte> click on an interface and check the type
[11-Nov-2009 14:30:01] <__jd__> chudler, doh :)
[11-Nov-2009 14:30:06] <rmatte> Zenoss automatically applies any interface template that it finds which matches the name under type
[11-Nov-2009 14:30:29] <mrayzenoss> majikman: Added images into the forums over the weekend, per your recommendation
[11-Nov-2009 14:30:35] <__jd__> chudler, new xmppBot version rocks btw ;P
[11-Nov-2009 14:30:44] <majikman> mrayzenoss, awesome, thanks
[11-Nov-2009 14:31:03] <mrayzenoss> majikman: I've noticed people already using it, so good idea
[11-Nov-2009 14:31:11] <chudler> THANKS ! :-D I have a huge update planned, but time is soo not on my side.
[11-Nov-2009 14:31:17] <majikman> hmm... i must have forgot how to apply templates or something. back to tfm
[11-Nov-2009 14:31:53] <__jd__> my poor colleagues are still using SMS.. 2-way communication with ZenOSS is much nicer :)
[11-Nov-2009 14:32:31] <chudler> heh, we have 2-way SMS here for ppl without smart-phones or mobile IM, but otherwise agreed!
[11-Nov-2009 14:32:51] <__jd__> oh nice.. they can reply to zenoss with sms?
[11-Nov-2009 14:32:51] <chudler> only thing they can do is ACK alerts over SMS, but it works.
[11-Nov-2009 14:33:02] <__jd__> is that something you guys added?
[11-Nov-2009 14:33:27] <jrock2004> Why have a readme file that is empy. What the heck
[11-Nov-2009 14:33:42] <chudler> yes, it is pretty trivial. The Sierra wireless driver receives the SMS and drops it into a directory. A little shim picks it up and acks the alert that it is supposed to be for.
[11-Nov-2009 14:34:11] <__jd__> ah I see :)
[11-Nov-2009 14:35:33] <chudler> I planned to have a little SMS status query, so an interested person could inquire over SMS about a certain device, etc. It isn't the sort of thing that lends itself to a zenpack, I suppose
[11-Nov-2009 14:36:19] <__jd__> yea
[11-Nov-2009 14:36:48] <__jd__> our sms is still done via email, so we don't have any 2 way capability anyway
[11-Nov-2009 14:38:03] <chudler> ATT throttled us very badly over email (like 30+minute delays). Perhaps because they aren't getting payed as much. They're okay with charging us $thousands/month for the wireless card though :-/
[11-Nov-2009 14:40:18] <rmatte> man, is it like netsplit day today or something?
[11-Nov-2009 14:41:07] <cgibbons> something
[11-Nov-2009 14:43:09] <__jd__> whee.. found the addDataPoints method.. now to lookup the argument list :p
[11-Nov-2009 14:43:23] <__jd__> yay tab completion
[11-Nov-2009 14:44:05] <rmatte> hehe
[11-Nov-2009 14:44:13] <rmatte> yeh, the tab completion is definitely awesome
[11-Nov-2009 14:44:39] <rmatte> makes spelunking in zendmd much easier
[11-Nov-2009 14:45:08] <jb> mrayzenoss: sending you a zenpack..
[11-Nov-2009 14:45:43] <mrayzenoss> be warned, I'm about to disappear for a week or more of paternity leave
[11-Nov-2009 14:45:57] <__jd__> congrats :)
[11-Nov-2009 14:45:57] <jb> oh yeah?
[11-Nov-2009 14:45:58] <jb> congrats
[11-Nov-2009 14:46:01] <jb> its not a big deal
[11-Nov-2009 14:46:01] <rmatte> congrats
[11-Nov-2009 14:46:04] <jb> its a basic one
[11-Nov-2009 14:46:11] <jb> just a bunch of SNMP event transforms for dell boxes
[11-Nov-2009 14:46:18] <jb> useful nonetheless..
[11-Nov-2009 14:47:28] <mrayzenoss> thanks
[11-Nov-2009 14:47:49] <mrayzenoss> I'll probably be back online in a week, working from home through November
[11-Nov-2009 14:49:40] <rmatte> coool
[11-Nov-2009 14:53:47] <majikman> so i found the graphs for the throughput for my switches but for some reason, it doesn't seem to get numbers continuously. its kind of hard to explain... but there are just green vertical lines dispersed throughout the graph instead of there being a continuous green area curve. it seems like zenoss isn't pullin gthat info from my switch o rsomething?
[11-Nov-2009 14:53:59] <majikman> whats strange though is that the packets graph seems fine
[11-Nov-2009 14:56:17] <rmatte> majikman: you're probably running over your zenperfsnmp cycle time or something
[11-Nov-2009 14:56:47] <rmatte> majikman: if it takes long than 5 minutes for the collector to gather the data it just stops and starts the next cycle
[11-Nov-2009 14:56:53] <rmatte> so you're only getting partial data
[11-Nov-2009 14:57:00] <rmatte> s/long/longer
[11-Nov-2009 14:57:38] <majikman> but why would the packet graph be fine and not the throughput graph? isn't the throughput graph calculated from the packet graph?
[11-Nov-2009 14:58:46] <majikman> oh... another thing is that the both the inbound and outbound lines are messed up but they aren't messed up simultaneously. some spots, inbound looks fine but outbound doesn't and vice versa
[11-Nov-2009 15:00:24] <rmatte> majikman: they are taken from completely different snmp values from what I can see
[11-Nov-2009 15:00:47] <rmatte> majikman: so it's probably collecting the packets first and then doing the throughput after but running short
[11-Nov-2009 15:00:51] <rmatte> that's my best guess
[11-Nov-2009 15:00:59] <rmatte> all of my traffic graphs look perfectly fine
[11-Nov-2009 15:01:10] <majikman> ok. i'll up the zenperfsnmp cycle. see if that does anything
[11-Nov-2009 15:03:42] <rmatte> actually, now that you mention it I have a few lines in some of mine too
[11-Nov-2009 15:03:46] <rmatte> so it might be normal
[11-Nov-2009 15:04:24] <majikman> i have lots... my throughput graphs are almost useless. i'm going to post something in the forum right now. i'll link you to the image and you can see what i mean
[11-Nov-2009 15:06:01] <jrock2004> rmatte: I wanted to thank you again for all your help these past few weeks
[11-Nov-2009 15:07:57] <jb> for those who are interested in Dell SNMP transforms
[11-Nov-2009 15:07:58] <jb> http://thunder.jbdesign.net/docs/zenoss/zenoss-delltransforms.html
[11-Nov-2009 15:08:18] <adytum-bot> Title: Dell SNMP Event Transforms ZenPack for ZenOSS - IBM3584Mon (at thunder.jbdesign.net)
[11-Nov-2009 15:08:53] <rmatte> jrock2004: no problem
[11-Nov-2009 15:09:56] <majikman> rmatte, message/41929#41929
[11-Nov-2009 15:10:03] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Zenoss SNMP graphs (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 15:10:06] <majikman> my graphs are the second one
[11-Nov-2009 15:10:33] <majikman> cool... when did this adytum bot get here?
[11-Nov-2009 15:10:37] <majikman> jb, sweet,thanks
[11-Nov-2009 15:11:28] <rmatte> majikman: I have a bit of that but yours is way worse
[11-Nov-2009 15:12:11] <majikman> yea... if mines was just a little, i could live with it and still use the graph a little. but mines is so messsed up it almost renders the graphs useless
[11-Nov-2009 15:12:33] <majikman> any idea where those rrrd files are stored? maybe its in there. it doesn't seem to be in the /perf/Devices dir
[11-Nov-2009 15:12:40] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: message/41930#41930
[11-Nov-2009 15:12:45] <rmatte> could you ask the devs?
[11-Nov-2009 15:12:47] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Zenoss SNMP graphs (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 15:12:50] <rmatte> seems to be a common issue
[11-Nov-2009 15:13:33] <majikman> ah... nvm. found the rrd
[11-Nov-2009 15:13:39] <mrayzenoss> 2.4.5 all?
[11-Nov-2009 15:13:48] <majikman> i'm running 2.4.3
[11-Nov-2009 15:13:52] <rmatte> 2.4.5
[11-Nov-2009 15:14:21] <rmatte> is anyone here running 2.5? If you are can you check if you see the same please
[11-Nov-2009 15:15:14] <majikman> whats the easiest way to check the version of zenoss u're running?
[11-Nov-2009 15:15:33] <rmatte> Settings -> Versions
[11-Nov-2009 15:15:58] <majikman> ah, sorry. i'm running 2.4.5, not 2.4.3
[11-Nov-2009 15:15:59] <rmatte> under Software Component Versions section
[11-Nov-2009 15:16:10] <majikman> rrdtool 1.3.5 ,if that matters at all
[11-Nov-2009 15:16:18] <rmatte> not under Available Zenoss Version
[11-Nov-2009 15:16:23] <__jd__> is that all the bot goes?
[11-Nov-2009 15:16:26] <__jd__> err.. does
[11-Nov-2009 15:16:44] <__jd__> adytum-bot: http://ods.org/bot.html
[11-Nov-2009 15:16:59] <rmatte> seems to be lol
[11-Nov-2009 15:17:17] <__jd__> too smart for me :p
[11-Nov-2009 15:17:20] <__jd__> or slow
[11-Nov-2009 15:17:26] <rmatte> hehe
[11-Nov-2009 15:17:45] <chemist> I'm running 2.5 and can't see any gaps in my switches
[11-Nov-2009 15:18:32] <rmatte> you've checked a bunch of ports on multiple switches?
[11-Nov-2009 15:18:41] <rmatte> I have some that are clean and a bunch that are like that
[11-Nov-2009 15:19:21] <chemist> checked a few
[11-Nov-2009 15:19:24] <chemist> no gaps so far
[11-Nov-2009 15:19:34] <rmatte> ok, maybe it was a 2.4.x issue
[11-Nov-2009 15:19:56] <mrayzenoss> RRDTool did get updated with 2.5
[11-Nov-2009 15:20:19] <mrayzenoss> point release, but the defects were mostly memory leaks and performance related
[11-Nov-2009 15:20:40] <rmatte> hmmmm
[11-Nov-2009 15:21:05] <rmatte> zenperfsnmp got overhauled in 2.5 too though
[11-Nov-2009 15:21:13] <rmatte> which is more likely the cause of the fix
[11-Nov-2009 15:21:53] <rmatte> guess we'll have to put up with it until we switch to 2.5
[11-Nov-2009 15:26:13] <cgibbons> we didn't overhaul zenperfsnmp in 2.5...
[11-Nov-2009 15:26:18] <majikman> just did an rrdtool dump of the bad values and i'm getting a bunch of NaN's in there
[11-Nov-2009 15:26:30] <majikman> what's creating the RRD files?
[11-Nov-2009 15:31:41] <rmatte> ah, thought there was a lot of work done on it
[11-Nov-2009 15:32:00] <cgibbons> nope, couple of small fixes. it's in the overall queue for stone crab.
[11-Nov-2009 15:32:30] <mrayzenoss> they overhauled the collector framework and updated several of the less high-profile collectors
[11-Nov-2009 15:32:47] <mrayzenoss> people would rather have issues with event log than snmp
[11-Nov-2009 15:32:47] <jrock2004> So I manually set my HW Make and Model via the edit tab but it appears that when the device is checked, snmp overwrites these values. Can I change this?
[11-Nov-2009 15:33:09] <mrayzenoss> you can lock it from remodeling
[11-Nov-2009 15:33:15] <majikman> my rrd's are getting wrong values stored right now. if you guys can point me to the file that stores data inot the rrd's, i can do some debugging for you guys right now
[11-Nov-2009 15:33:34] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: That in zProperties?
[11-Nov-2009 15:34:05] kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal
[11-Nov-2009 15:34:09] <mrayzenoss> from the device pages, the page menu->"Lock"
[11-Nov-2009 15:35:00] <rmatte> jrock2004: what version of Zenoss are you running?
[11-Nov-2009 15:35:02] <mrayzenoss> http://imagebin.org/71349
[11-Nov-2009 15:35:07] <jrock2004> 2.5
[11-Nov-2009 15:35:12] <rmatte> ah ok
[11-Nov-2009 15:35:12] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[11-Nov-2009 15:35:30] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: I thought it wasn't supposed to overwrite values that are already set
[11-Nov-2009 15:35:36] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: mine don't
[11-Nov-2009 15:36:02] <mrayzenoss> I'm not sure how that works, but that sounds reasonable
[11-Nov-2009 15:36:05] <jrock2004> is those values also set in the snmp agent rmatte?
[11-Nov-2009 15:36:10] <mrayzenoss> or at least, the desired behavior
[11-Nov-2009 15:36:52] <rmatte> jrock2004: all the Zenoss does is pulls the model OID, then checks the products database for an OID that matches and sets the values based on that
[11-Nov-2009 15:37:34] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: yeh, mine only sets the values if nothing is set for software or hardware
[11-Nov-2009 15:37:53] <rmatte> hopefully they didn't change the behaviour in 2.5
[11-Nov-2009 15:40:33] <mrayzenoss> testing it now
[11-Nov-2009 15:41:31] <mrayzenoss> poop
[11-Nov-2009 15:41:40] <rmatte> so it does overwrite it now?
[11-Nov-2009 15:41:40] <jrock2004> As long as you clean it up
[11-Nov-2009 15:41:45] <cgibbons> hurm, HP is Buying 3Com
[11-Nov-2009 15:41:46] <jrock2004> :)
[11-Nov-2009 15:41:58] <mrayzenoss> so I set my HW Make, HW Model, OS Make and OS Version then remodeled. Overwritten
[11-Nov-2009 15:42:10] <mrayzenoss> this was Linux/SSH
[11-Nov-2009 15:42:18] <rmatte> it seems like the functionality that I like always goes down the tubes somehow and gets replaced
[11-Nov-2009 15:42:32] <rhettardo> what does 3com have to offer these days anyway
[11-Nov-2009 15:42:44] <rmatte> it shouldn't overwrite it, that's a regression in my opinion
[11-Nov-2009 15:42:54] <mrayzenoss> yeah, could someone verify this in 2.4.5?
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:06] <mrayzenoss> I'm doing SSH, I'll try it with SNMP next
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:09] <rmatte> that it doesn't overwrite the info you mean?
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:14] <mrayzenoss> yeah
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:23] <mrayzenoss> I want to confirm it's a regression
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:26] <rmatte> I know for a fact that it doesn't, but I'll have a go at it...
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:34] <jrock2004> SNMP is what I am using with this device
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:39] <mrayzenoss> I'll try SNMP now
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:58] <rmatte> what did you set yours to before remodelling?
[11-Nov-2009 15:44:16] <rmatte> (just want to mimic exactly what you did)
[11-Nov-2009 15:44:29] <jrock2004> What do yo umean?
[11-Nov-2009 15:44:37] <rmatte> that was directed at Matt
[11-Nov-2009 15:44:40] <rmatte> :)
[11-Nov-2009 15:44:43] <jrock2004> Ah ok
[11-Nov-2009 15:45:08] <jrock2004> ;(
[11-Nov-2009 15:45:15] <rmatte> bare in mind that this is 2.4.5 with that patch applied
[11-Nov-2009 15:45:29] <rmatte> but it wouldn't work at all without the patch
[11-Nov-2009 15:46:24] <rmatte> ok, so my Linux server is now an Apple Powerbook G4, now to remodel and see if it overwrites...
[11-Nov-2009 15:46:57] <rmatte> it didn't overwrite it
[11-Nov-2009 15:47:02] <rmatte> now to clear the info and remodel...
[11-Nov-2009 15:47:07] <mrayzenoss> poop, SNMP is overwriting it too
[11-Nov-2009 15:47:27] <rmatte> ok, so hw and software info are blank...
[11-Nov-2009 15:47:37] <rmatte> remodelling...
[11-Nov-2009 15:47:59] <rmatte> and it populated the info
[11-Nov-2009 15:48:01] <mrayzenoss> before http://imagebin.org/71350 after http://imagebin.org/71351
[11-Nov-2009 15:48:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[11-Nov-2009 15:48:23] <rmatte> so yeh, in 2.4.5 with that patch that I detailed on the Post-2.4.5 wiki entry, it works perfectly as expected
[11-Nov-2009 15:49:04] <mrayzenoss> before (SNMP) http://imagebin.org/71352 and after http://imagebin.org/71353
[11-Nov-2009 15:49:12] <rmatte> the patch for this: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5473
[11-Nov-2009 15:49:23] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[11-Nov-2009 15:49:33] <mrayzenoss> ahhh, so that's still Stone Crab, not in 2.5
[11-Nov-2009 15:50:49] <jrock2004> It will also overwrite the OS make and version as well
[11-Nov-2009 15:51:01] <rmatte> yes, but the thing is that even with the partially completed patch it works perfectly, besides the small issue detailed in the trac ticket
[11-Nov-2009 15:51:13] <rmatte> but in 2.5 it overwrites when it shouldn't
[11-Nov-2009 15:53:31] <mrayzenoss> so it was broken in 2.4.5 and it's still broken in 2.5? 7 weeks ago to trunk… was that before or after the 2.5.x branch...
[11-Nov-2009 15:55:06] <jrock2004> Thank heavens it did not overwrite serial#'s
[11-Nov-2009 15:55:12] <rmatte> lol
[11-Nov-2009 15:55:21] <rmatte> that would really suck
[11-Nov-2009 16:01:57] <jrock2004> rmatte: you a Senators fan?
[11-Nov-2009 16:04:20] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: pushed 5473 back on the 2.5.2 review stack
[11-Nov-2009 16:07:08] <rmatte> thanks :)
[11-Nov-2009 16:07:20] <rmatte> jrock2004: yeh, I'm a sens fan
[11-Nov-2009 16:08:17] <jrock2004> I use to live in Buffalo and would go up to Canada. I really love that Country
[11-Nov-2009 16:08:36] <rmatte> yeh, I like this city
[11-Nov-2009 16:09:02] <jrock2004> I always wanted to head up there. I heard there are some great things to do
[11-Nov-2009 16:10:13] <rmatte> yeh, it's not bad, it's not like Toronto or anything, but it's nice
[11-Nov-2009 16:14:50] <jrock2004> So I see you got some points on zenoss site. Is this for answering questions in forum or is it zenpacks and patches?
[11-Nov-2009 16:16:31] <rmatte> you get 1 point per post and 5 points if someone marks your post as a correct answer
[11-Nov-2009 16:16:31] <mrayzenoss> You get points for posting on the forums, answering questions and posting documents
[11-Nov-2009 16:16:51] <rmatte> ah, didn't know there were points for posting documents, cool
[11-Nov-2009 16:17:23] <jrock2004> Documents could be like tutorials on how to do things in Zenoss I assume
[11-Nov-2009 16:18:08] <mrayzenoss> yeah, wiki articles or postings to other locations
[11-Nov-2009 16:21:48] <jb> hrm, what causes the SSH events (no password found)?
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:04] <jb> (im only concerned about SNMP based monitoring)
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:05] <jrock2004> is the password set in zProperties
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:13] <jb> i want to disable SSH *
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:22] <jrock2004> ok go into zProperties
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:26] <jrock2004> for that device
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:42] <jrock2004> Let me look up the exact field
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:44] <jb> yeah
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:48] <jb> i can't find it
[11-Nov-2009 16:23:38] <rmatte> zCommandPassword or something
[11-Nov-2009 16:23:50] <jrock2004> rmatte: he wants to disable ssh
[11-Nov-2009 16:23:55] <jb> yeah
[11-Nov-2009 16:24:07] <jb> maybe zcommanduser is set
[11-Nov-2009 16:24:12] <jrock2004> jb: did you remove all collector plugins
[11-Nov-2009 16:24:22] <rmatte> yeh I was right
[11-Nov-2009 16:24:24] <jrock2004> fo ssh
[11-Nov-2009 16:24:36] <rmatte> zcommanduser and zcommandpassword need to be completely blank
[11-Nov-2009 16:24:48] <rmatte> otherwise it will try to use them
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:02] <jrock2004> ah gotcha
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:48] <mrayzenoss> Here are the current settings for how many "points" you get for each activity:
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:48] <mrayzenoss> Posting or responding to forum threads. 1
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:48] <mrayzenoss> Correctly answered forum thread questions. 4
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:48] <mrayzenoss> Helpful responses to forum thread questions. 2
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:48] <mrayzenoss> Creating new documents. 4
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:49] <mrayzenoss> Creating new blog posts. 3
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:51] <mrayzenoss> Completing tasks in a project. 1
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:53] <mrayzenoss> Creating a new video. 3
[11-Nov-2009 16:26:09] <mrayzenoss> don't know what projects are...
[11-Nov-2009 16:26:18] <jb> zenpacks?
[11-Nov-2009 16:26:19] <jb> :)
[11-Nov-2009 16:26:31] <mrayzenoss> you know, I asked for a way to manually give people points
[11-Nov-2009 16:26:41] <mrayzenoss> they don't have it, so it's on our wishlist
[11-Nov-2009 16:27:44] <jrock2004> How do you post videos? You link to an external site in the forum?
[11-Nov-2009 16:28:36] <mrayzenoss> when you create a document or a forum post, I believe there's an embed video option
[11-Nov-2009 16:28:50] <chudler> zenpack: 100 points ;-)
[11-Nov-2009 16:29:01] <mrayzenoss> that's exactly what I wanted it for
[11-Nov-2009 16:30:52] <chudler> that guy (what's his name? James?).. he would get about 10,000 points for his work in the old forum.
[11-Nov-2009 16:32:03] <chudler> James Pulver, yeah thats it. Does he still post? I dont follow the forums since I turned off email support :-/
[11-Nov-2009 16:39:52] <majikman> yea, james pulver is still pretty active
[11-Nov-2009 16:40:43] <jrock2004> Ok I am trying to understand in creating your own commands. So lets say I wanted to create a command that does ls -a / Would I have to throw an ssh command?
[11-Nov-2009 16:40:45] <jb> is there a core zenpack archive for deb/ubuntu?
[11-Nov-2009 16:40:52] <jb> that contains all of the core zenpacks?
[11-Nov-2009 16:41:35] <jrock2004> docs/DOC-3377 Would give you some Ubuntu support
[11-Nov-2009 16:41:41] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Ubuntu Linux (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 16:45:35] <mrayzenoss> man, I'm still behind James Pulver in the rankings...
[11-Nov-2009 16:46:13] <mrayzenoss> I guess he gives more correct answers
[11-Nov-2009 16:46:16] <mrayzenoss> :p
[11-Nov-2009 16:47:16] <jrock2004> Can I create a command that does an ls -a /home on my Linux Servers?
[11-Nov-2009 16:52:05] <mrayzenoss> yeah, a command data source could do that
[11-Nov-2009 16:54:32] <rmatte> you'd need to write some sort of expect script to do it
[11-Nov-2009 16:54:42] <rmatte> but what's the point of doing that?
[11-Nov-2009 16:54:48] <rmatte> are you listing number of files, or what?
[11-Nov-2009 16:54:53] <majikman> is there a way to generate a chart of when error level events have been thrown?
[11-Nov-2009 16:55:04] <rmatte> ls -al / | wc -l to count files
[11-Nov-2009 16:55:25] <jrock2004> That was an example
[11-Nov-2009 16:55:29] <rmatte> majikman: not built in, that would take some dev work to make
[11-Nov-2009 16:55:54] <jrock2004> What I would really love to do is right from zenoss create custom commands that could restart services like apache or msql
[11-Nov-2009 16:55:58] <majikman> so... couldn't even do it with a zenpack?
[11-Nov-2009 16:56:15] <majikman> jrock2004, you can do that when events get thrwon
[11-Nov-2009 16:56:21] <majikman> or at least, that was my understanding
[11-Nov-2009 16:57:18] <jrock2004> The only issue with that would be is I may not always want to restart that service
[11-Nov-2009 16:57:57] <jrock2004> So if I get an error I would love to look it over and if I decide I need to restart mysql then I will just go to commands and excute it
[11-Nov-2009 16:58:06] <rmatte> majikman: there are no zenpacks in existence that do what you're describing
[11-Nov-2009 16:58:29] <majikman> so if you want the option to restart it, then how could zenoss possibly restart servicse?
[11-Nov-2009 16:59:06] <rmatte> jrock2004: you can do that, just configure a transform to kick off a script for a particular event that connects to the device and issues the appropriate commands. it's quite achievable
[11-Nov-2009 16:59:44] <rmatte> but I'm a firm believer that there should be some human element involved in any troubleshooting
[11-Nov-2009 16:59:48] <jrock2004> rmatte: But can I make it that I choose when to run it. I do not want zenoss to decide that
[11-Nov-2009 16:59:55] <rmatte> I hate having automated systems that kick off and actually change stuff
[11-Nov-2009 17:00:11] <jrock2004> See I still want to troubleshoot
[11-Nov-2009 17:00:25] <majikman> jrock2004, you're asking for two mutually exclusive things
[11-Nov-2009 17:00:27] <majikman> which oen do you want?
[11-Nov-2009 17:00:28] <rmatte> jrock2004: you mean like a button that you click?
[11-Nov-2009 17:00:37] <rmatte> jrock2004: that would take a hell of a lot of dev work
[11-Nov-2009 17:01:08] <rmatte> jrock2004: you should ALWAYS be logging in to a device to check logs and stuff when a service fails
[11-Nov-2009 17:01:15] <rmatte> so just start it back up while you're in
[11-Nov-2009 17:01:29] <rmatte> automation is not best practice
[11-Nov-2009 17:01:39] <rmatte> (in the majority of cases)
[11-Nov-2009 17:01:59] <majikman> gah... whats with google having all the old zenoss platforms being cached? its so annoying trying to read stuff from google
[11-Nov-2009 17:02:53] <jrock2004> I have a server that is very under powered. At times when you run a report on this device the reports stop responding. I get a call when this happens and I restart the mysql DB and it works.
[11-Nov-2009 17:03:15] <jrock2004> I wish I could get budgeting to allow me to get another server but they are stingy
[11-Nov-2009 17:03:37] <jrock2004> so I was hoping since I started to use zenoss that I couls create a shortcut
[11-Nov-2009 17:04:10] <majikman> it seems to me there is a better way to fxi a problem than just restarting a server
[11-Nov-2009 17:04:57] <jrock2004> ok this DB has over 4 million records
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:22] <jrock2004> it is running on a 150MHz process with 512MB of ram.
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:27] <majikman> WOW
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:29] <majikman> lol
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:30] <mrayzenoss> yikes
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:34] <jrock2004> Yes
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:37] <rhettardo> may have just found a bug in 2.5. if you lock an IP Service and disable monitoring and then re-enable monitoring the services that you had dont appear. when you go to add the services back they show up as locked and it dosnt save them
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:38] <mrayzenoss> OK, a few quick notes
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:52] <jrock2004> I cry everyday to get this server replaced
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:52] <majikman> 150mhz??? that sounds like a P1 or P2
[11-Nov-2009 17:06:03] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: You can add custom commands to run whenever you want
[11-Nov-2009 17:06:18] <rhettardo> but thats ONLY when a service has monitoring set to false in the class
[11-Nov-2009 17:06:21] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: for additional troubleshooting or for restarting services manually
[11-Nov-2009 17:06:32] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: in addition to being able to do them with Event Commands
[11-Nov-2009 17:06:47] <jrock2004> I have tried that but it runs the command locally on the zenoss box and not the other device
[11-Nov-2009 17:06:49] <majikman> man, if your CFO or whatever is that cheap to just get at least an old P4... i feel bad for you
[11-Nov-2009 17:07:02] <majikman> i think you can get a box off of craigslist for like 50 bucks
[11-Nov-2009 17:07:23] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: you could probably make your command something like "ssh ${here.ip} -c blah.sh"
[11-Nov-2009 17:07:25] <mrayzenoss> or whatever
[11-Nov-2009 17:07:34] <mrayzenoss> it uses TALES, so you could pass it a server
[11-Nov-2009 17:07:48] <mrayzenoss> and your SSH creds
[11-Nov-2009 17:08:03] <mrayzenoss> or since it's running as the zenoss user, it would just use your keys
[11-Nov-2009 17:09:01] <jrock2004> Will try that out
[11-Nov-2009 17:10:40] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: docs/DOC-3926 User Commands
[11-Nov-2009 17:10:46] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 10.1 User Commands (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 17:11:06] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Thanks
[11-Nov-2009 17:12:04] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: oh right, I forgot about the run command menu
[11-Nov-2009 17:12:38] <jrock2004> Yeah that is what I was trying to use to create that command
[11-Nov-2009 17:13:00] <mrayzenoss> majikman: you could monitor the number of events by watching the mysql database
[11-Nov-2009 17:13:36] <majikman> mrayzenoss, yea... monitoring events isn't really the issue right now. they want pretty graphs that they can look at
[11-Nov-2009 17:13:55] <mrayzenoss> what about the collector performance graphs?
[11-Nov-2009 17:14:09] <mrayzenoss> Collectors->localhost->Performance?
[11-Nov-2009 17:15:38] <majikman> ahh.... thats interesting. but what they're looking for more are buttons for each hour. for each hour, its green if nothing happened and red if there were some events > $error_level. they can click on the red buttons and it'd list to them all the events that happened during that hour
[11-Nov-2009 17:16:14] <majikman> kinda like how you guys already have the event listing for devices right now. they just wnat a historical view
[11-Nov-2009 17:17:03] <mrayzenoss> kinda like a historical view of the Event Classes report? Or with graphics?
[11-Nov-2009 17:17:11] <mrayzenoss> wait… it's management… graphics :)
[11-Nov-2009 17:17:49] <majikman> haha... yea, graphics
[11-Nov-2009 17:19:40] <jrock2004> hmm the ssh command is getting errors about the libcrypto
[11-Nov-2009 17:23:19] <jrock2004> well off to go home will have to work on this tomorrow
[11-Nov-2009 17:23:26] <jrock2004> thanks for all your guys help
[11-Nov-2009 17:26:14] <rmatte> np
[11-Nov-2009 17:27:15] <rmatte> majikman: then you've got some development work on your hands lol
[11-Nov-2009 17:31:48] <majikman> lol... yea. i'll do that later
[11-Nov-2009 17:36:43] <rmatte> well, I'm out for the day, later guys
[11-Nov-2009 17:37:13] <mrayzenoss> see you later
[11-Nov-2009 18:02:35] <majikman> anyoen else still around?
[11-Nov-2009 18:03:41] <majikman> i'm trying to graph how long it takes to connect to my mysql server from my zenoss server. i'm using a command data source right now but i don't know how to get the time to be output. any idea how i can do this?
[11-Nov-2009 18:04:43] <__jd__> define connect
[11-Nov-2009 18:04:43] <__jd__> :)
[11-Nov-2009 18:05:03] <majikman> just connect to the database and disconnect
[11-Nov-2009 18:05:11] <__jd__> actually authenticate, etc?
[11-Nov-2009 18:05:13] <__jd__> or just open the port?
[11-Nov-2009 18:05:14] <majikman> yes
[11-Nov-2009 18:05:17] <majikman> authenticate
[11-Nov-2009 18:05:59] <majikman> this is the command i'm using... /usr/bin/mysql -h${dev/manageIp} -usome_user -psoem_pass -e"quit"
[11-Nov-2009 18:06:18] <__jd__> time echo | mysql ....
[11-Nov-2009 18:06:31] <__jd__> you'll probably have to reformat the output with awk/sed etc
[11-Nov-2009 18:06:39] <__jd__> but that's the easiest way I cna think of :)
[11-Nov-2009 18:06:40] <wildcard0> might want to add a database to that line
[11-Nov-2009 18:06:48] <__jd__> yea
[11-Nov-2009 18:07:31] <majikman> yea... i was trying to mess with the format but time apparently takes EVERYTHIGN after the time command as a parameter
[11-Nov-2009 18:07:41] <majikman> so i can't pipe, redirect, or do anything with the output from time
[11-Nov-2009 18:07:57] <__jd__> try /usr/bin/time
[11-Nov-2009 18:08:02] <__jd__> I'm pretty sure it can't do that
[11-Nov-2009 18:08:17] <__jd__> or wait
[11-Nov-2009 18:08:22] <__jd__> it's probably printing to stderr
[11-Nov-2009 18:08:24] <__jd__> did you do 2>&1?
[11-Nov-2009 18:09:03] <majikman> ahh.... i needed to specify /usr/bin/time
[11-Nov-2009 18:09:12] <majikman> using just time didn't work
[11-Nov-2009 18:09:21] <__jd__> the shell builtin can probably do some trickery that /usr/bin/time is incapable of :)
[11-Nov-2009 18:09:40] <majikman> sweet.... now i should be able to get it. thanks!
[11-Nov-2009 18:10:52] <__jd__> oh nice
[11-Nov-2009 18:11:03] <__jd__> if you're using GNU time.. you can format the string
[11-Nov-2009 18:11:04] <majikman> sweet... now i can use the -f parameter too. i won't need to use awk or sed anymore
[11-Nov-2009 18:11:09] <__jd__> haha, yea :)
[11-Nov-2009 18:11:18] <majikman> yea... the -f parameter wouldn't work when i wasn't passing the absolute path
[11-Nov-2009 18:12:16] <wildcard0> what exactly are you trying to do?
[11-Nov-2009 18:12:35] <__jd__> he's trying to time how long it takes to connect to MySQL and graph it
[11-Nov-2009 18:13:02] <wildcard0> ah
[11-Nov-2009 18:13:33] <majikman> hmm... i don't think time and /usr/bin/time are even the same commands
[11-Nov-2009 18:13:40] <__jd__> they're not
[11-Nov-2009 18:13:46] <__jd__> one is built into the shell
[11-Nov-2009 18:13:57] <majikman> oh... that explains it
[11-Nov-2009 18:21:46] <majikman> __jd__, just food for your brain... http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/032
[11-Nov-2009 18:21:56] <adytum-bot> Title: BashFAQ/032 - Greg's Wiki (at mywiki.wooledge.org)
[11-Nov-2009 18:22:19] <__jd__> hah
[11-Nov-2009 18:22:24] <__jd__> I even called it trickery :)
[11-Nov-2009 18:23:03] <__jd__> makes sense
[11-Nov-2009 18:23:14] <majikman> there is plenty of trickery going on here to get this working with bash's time
[11-Nov-2009 18:24:26] <__jd__> in any case, I think '-f' is too good to pass up ;)
[11-Nov-2009 18:24:45] <majikman> yea... -f is way nicer
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[11-Nov-2009 19:00:25] <majikman> is it possible to make a local copy of a template for every device in a class? or do i need to do it one at a time?
[11-Nov-2009 20:23:07] <Rocinante> I've had - for some time now - syslog-ng running on my zenoss server, gathering all the logs and feeding them back to zenoss on a different port. The "parsehost" option used to properly get the hostname from the log, so that events were attributed to the right device. Since upgrading from 2.3.x to 2.5.0 (with a stop at 2.4.5 on the way) now all the log entries get "localhost.localdomain" as the originating device.
[11-Nov-2009 20:23:24] <Rocinante> Is there some other option, or is this broken (either intentionally or unintentionally)?
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[12-Nov-2009 00:44:38] <MACscr> any plans to move away from zope any time soon?
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[12-Nov-2009 06:57:54] <sergeymasushko> Is there a way to monitor mysql replication delay?
[12-Nov-2009 08:35:18] <sergeymasushko> anybody alive?
[12-Nov-2009 08:50:08] <jrock2004> I am
[12-Nov-2009 08:57:20] <sergeymasushko> have you customized zenpacks?
[12-Nov-2009 08:57:49] <jrock2004> Nope sorry
[12-Nov-2009 08:58:04] <jrock2004> Have not gotten into created or editing zenpacks
[12-Nov-2009 08:58:59] <sergeymasushko> :(
[12-Nov-2009 09:08:12] <ke4qqq> Is it expected behavior for device availability to reset to 100% when I rename the device??
[12-Nov-2009 09:08:51] <jrock2004> I would think as long as you do not change IP address it should stay the same
[12-Nov-2009 09:09:38] <ke4qqq> yeah that's what I was thinking - I know there was a bug many many moons ago where all data was lost after a rename, but first I have seen this, and wanted a sanity check.
[12-Nov-2009 09:11:00] <jrock2004> Yeah I found an issue is 2.5 where if you manually set HW make and model, they get overwritten when device does its check
[12-Nov-2009 09:25:24] <zuez> when you have a virtual IP to monitor, which can be on any individual node at any given time (depending on system failure etc), it makes sense to monitor the VIP as a device, even if you're already monitoring the device the VIP is on, right?
[12-Nov-2009 09:25:31] <zuez> (sorry if that sounds confusing), I'm sure it's a common question though
[12-Nov-2009 09:26:31] <jrock2004> Are you talking about virtual machines?
[12-Nov-2009 09:26:38] <zuez> nope, virtual IP
[12-Nov-2009 09:26:42] <jrock2004> ok
[12-Nov-2009 09:26:56] <jrock2004> just checking to make sure I understood your question
[12-Nov-2009 09:26:56] <zuez> so say I have a DRBD setup, for a mysql box... I have a virtual IP that floats between two boxes
[12-Nov-2009 09:26:59] <zuez> in case one of the boxes dies
[12-Nov-2009 09:28:10] <jrock2004> That is a pretty cool setup
[12-Nov-2009 09:28:37] <jrock2004> It would be intresting to talk more about that set
[12-Nov-2009 09:28:38] <rmatte> yeh, we had that for the database on our old setup, worked nicely
[12-Nov-2009 09:28:42] <jrock2004> *setup
[12-Nov-2009 09:29:15] <zuez> It's a pretty trivial setup, DRBD + Heartbeat, I can pull the plug on one box, and have MySQL+Apache+PHP good to go on another box
[12-Nov-2009 09:29:29] <zuez> this solution is ok for a mission critical server where you don't care about wasting resources on one box
[12-Nov-2009 09:29:40] <zuez> because the box that's just waiting on standby can't even do read queries for that matter...
[12-Nov-2009 09:29:53] <jrock2004> how do you keep the database data up to date? Replication
[12-Nov-2009 09:29:55] <zuez> I just want to make sure I monitor it properly and I suppose it makes sense to monitor the VIP, not the actual box itself
[12-Nov-2009 09:30:03] <zuez> I can just do a Ping monitor for the actual physical nodes
[12-Nov-2009 09:30:27] <zuez> jrock2004: DRBD just manages to replicate the filesystem itself at the block level to the other node
[12-Nov-2009 09:30:42] <zuez> it's not at the application level which mysql replication usually does it at
[12-Nov-2009 09:32:34] <jrock2004> zuez: going back to your original question I would side with the way you have ti setup now
[12-Nov-2009 09:33:24] <zuez> ok cool, just making sure it made sense
[12-Nov-2009 09:33:36] <zuez> I'm still a noob with Zenoss, I'm still reading on how to add ping checks and alerts
[12-Nov-2009 09:33:45] <gwb2351> btw, the zendmd script that can show what templates are bound to which devices is short n' sweet. For your own enjoyment: http://pastebin.com/m746c481c
[12-Nov-2009 09:33:55] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[12-Nov-2009 09:35:14] <jrock2004> zuez: Yeah I currently do MySQL replication to sync my database to another the only issue is if the master goes down I cannot write to the slave DB. DRDB sounds like it might be a better solution
[12-Nov-2009 09:35:36] <jrock2004> *DRBD
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:16] <zuez> well they're two different problems, don't forget
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:38] <zuez> replication affords you better horizontal scaling in that you can use your slave node for read queries, especially if you have a read heavy web app or something
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:43] <zuez> with drbd, I don't have that luxury
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:43] <jb> :P
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:48] <jb> hai pwnie
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:49] <zuez> but I also don't have to deal with mysql replication
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:50] <zuez> which I hate
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:57] <zuez> jb :-)
[12-Nov-2009 09:37:39] <jb> you talking about monitorin your clusters?
[12-Nov-2009 09:38:27] <jrock2004> The issue I have is if my master server goes down my website is dead.
[12-Nov-2009 09:38:30] <zuez> yeah
[12-Nov-2009 09:38:36] <zuez> VIP usually stands in front of a cluster
[12-Nov-2009 09:38:37] <zuez> but
[12-Nov-2009 09:38:41] <zuez> in this case, it's just two nodes really
[12-Nov-2009 09:38:47] <zuez> and whatever node is active assumes ownership over the VIP
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:17] <jrock2004> Now I could write some code that when the master server goes down my site becomes readonly
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:21] <jb> well
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:24] <jb> on my mysql clusters
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:31] <zuez> jb: I still have no clue how to get rid of this alert SshUserAuth: no password found -- has zCommandPassword been set?
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:34] <jb> i just monitor the primary node
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:41] <zuez> I don't have a password for zCommandPassword and I don't use SSH for alerting
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:47] <jb> do you have zCommandUser set?
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:51] <zuez> let me see
[12-Nov-2009 09:40:12] <zuez> zCommandUserName is empty
[12-Nov-2009 09:40:18] <jb> hmmm
[12-Nov-2009 09:40:31] <jb> for the device class?
[12-Nov-2009 09:40:38] <jrock2004> zuez: for the device do you have collector plugins set
[12-Nov-2009 09:40:43] <jrock2004> for ssh
[12-Nov-2009 09:43:36] <zuez> jb: It's /device/server/linux
[12-Nov-2009 09:43:42] <zuez> jrock2004: Not sure, let me check
[12-Nov-2009 09:44:36] <rmatte> zuez: what about zCommandUser?
[12-Nov-2009 09:44:39] <rmatte> has it been set?
[12-Nov-2009 09:44:48] <zuez> These are the only ones I have for that class: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57676/screenshots/collector1.png
[12-Nov-2009 09:44:59] <zuez> rmatte: Checking
[12-Nov-2009 09:45:23] <zuez> I don't even have a zCommandUser, only zCommandUserName
[12-Nov-2009 09:45:29] <rmatte> that's what I meant
[12-Nov-2009 09:45:36] <rmatte> (doing this off the top of my head)
[12-Nov-2009 09:45:39] <rmatte> is that populated?
[12-Nov-2009 09:45:59] <rmatte> (if there is even so much as a space in either field you'll have that issue
[12-Nov-2009 09:46:05] <rmatte> they need to be completely blank)
[12-Nov-2009 09:46:59] <zuez> well I'll remove any characters there, but I'm almost certain it's properly set to an empty string
[12-Nov-2009 09:47:52] <jrock2004> zuez: What template is the device bound too
[12-Nov-2009 09:49:35] <zuez> trying to figure out how to check that :-)
[12-Nov-2009 09:50:55] <jrock2004> go into the device itself
[12-Nov-2009 09:51:20] <jrock2004> click the little drop down arrow and go to more templates
[12-Nov-2009 09:52:56] <jrock2004> rmatte: Yeah he says that they are blank
[12-Nov-2009 09:53:25] <zuez> Looks like it just has a performance template?
[12-Nov-2009 09:53:30] <rmatte> jrock2004: that's fine, just wanted to make absolutely sure
[12-Nov-2009 09:53:45] * jrock2004 understands
[12-Nov-2009 09:53:48] <rmatte> jrock2004: I've seen it a few times where people were like "It's blan.... oh wait... there was a space!"
[12-Nov-2009 09:53:58] <rmatte> lol
[12-Nov-2009 09:54:01] <jrock2004> are you talking about me :)
[12-Nov-2009 09:54:05] <rmatte> nope
[12-Nov-2009 09:54:08] * rmatte whistles
[12-Nov-2009 09:54:15] <jrock2004> lol
[12-Nov-2009 09:54:36] <jrock2004> I have learned to double triple check before asking the questions
[12-Nov-2009 09:54:51] <zuez> hmph jrock
[12-Nov-2009 09:54:55] <zuez> when I click the down arrow
[12-Nov-2009 09:55:12] <zuez> clicking on the Templates page takes me to the same page
[12-Nov-2009 09:55:13] <rmatte> More -> Templates
[12-Nov-2009 09:55:27] <jrock2004> ok on the left click Device List
[12-Nov-2009 09:55:53] <jrock2004> Then click on the device that is having the issue
[12-Nov-2009 09:56:04] <zuez> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57676/screenshots/templates.png
[12-Nov-2009 09:56:54] <rmatte> yeh, so it only has the snmp template bound to it
[12-Nov-2009 09:57:09] <rmatte> so it has to be a zProperties issue
[12-Nov-2009 09:57:13] <jrock2004> Yeah so that is not the issue
[12-Nov-2009 09:57:20] <zuez> i still haven't learned how to get more templates or bind the ones I need, not much information in the documentation about templates hehe
[12-Nov-2009 09:57:53] <rmatte> zuez: there's tons of info about it in the Zenoss Admin Guide
[12-Nov-2009 09:57:59] <jrock2004> zuez: Have you cleared the event to see if it comes back?
[12-Nov-2009 09:58:02] <rmatte> you just need to actually read it top to bottom
[12-Nov-2009 09:58:48] <jrock2004> I would acknoledge the event about the ssh and clear it out. Then remodel the device and see if that error comes back
[12-Nov-2009 09:59:35] <zuez> Ok, sounds good guys
[12-Nov-2009 09:59:43] <jb> so zuez
[12-Nov-2009 09:59:56] <jb> to bind a tempate
[12-Nov-2009 10:00:08] <jb> click the down aarow next to "Performance Templates" in your SS
[12-Nov-2009 10:00:19] <zuez> oh one more question: how am I supposed to decipher what events like this mean? threshold of DellStorageCntlr status exceeded: current value 4.00
[12-Nov-2009 10:00:34] <zuez> jb: yeah it asks for a template id
[12-Nov-2009 10:00:39] <zuez> i'm not sure what ids I have available
[12-Nov-2009 10:02:28] <jb> http://thunder.jbdesign.net/~jbaird/zenoss/templates.jpg
[12-Nov-2009 10:02:34] <jb> is how you would bind the MySQl template
[12-Nov-2009 10:02:49] <jrock2004> As far as bind more templates to a device. You know that screenshot you posted
[12-Nov-2009 10:03:13] <zuez> Ah I don't have all of those templates available
[12-Nov-2009 10:03:16] <zuez> let me check again though
[12-Nov-2009 10:03:16] <rmatte> zuez: that's just a badly named threshold
[12-Nov-2009 10:03:21] <jrock2004> go back to that screen and click the arrow left of the word performance and click bind template
[12-Nov-2009 10:03:38] <rmatte> zuez: it just means that a threshold called DellStorageCntlr exceeded it's maximum or minimum threshold level
[12-Nov-2009 10:03:56] <rmatte> zuez: you need to go through the templates for the device that the alert came in for and find the threshold
[12-Nov-2009 10:04:17] <zuez> this is all I have available jb http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57676/screenshots/bindtemplate.png
[12-Nov-2009 10:04:39] <zuez> rmatte: Ah ok, I just want to know what the threshold is for before I toggle it
[12-Nov-2009 10:04:41] <jb> do you have the MySQL monitor zenpack installed?
[12-Nov-2009 10:04:57] <zuez> I need to get that zenpack with all the other zenpacks in it don't I
[12-Nov-2009 10:05:00] <jb> yes :)
[12-Nov-2009 10:05:01] <zuez> I only have like 3 of them installed
[12-Nov-2009 10:05:10] <zuez> let's see if I can find the grand master zenpack
[12-Nov-2009 10:05:32] <jrock2004> I would recommend to install only the zenpacks you need
[12-Nov-2009 10:05:41] <jrock2004> but that is my 2 cents
[12-Nov-2009 10:06:09] <rmatte> zuez: you'd need to find the datapoint that the threshold is for, then take the OID and google it to see if you can find a description of what it ios
[12-Nov-2009 10:06:16] <rmatte> s/ios/is
[12-Nov-2009 10:06:41] <rmatte> yeh, don't go randomly installing ZenPacks just because they "look nice"
[12-Nov-2009 10:06:58] <rmatte> only install what you need and make sure you actually know what you're installing (read up on them in detail first)
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:00] <zuez> well
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:08] <zuez> I just don't understand somethings like, why would I need an Apache ZenPack
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:13] <rmatte> there are a lot of bad ZenPacks
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:14] <zuez> just see if tcp/80 is responsive
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:15] <zuez> and be done with it
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:24] <rmatte> you don't
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:25] <jrock2004> Do you run an apache server
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:29] <zuez> open a socket, if it doesn't respond, stuff is down
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:31] <rmatte> the apache ZenPack graphs a whole bunch of stuff
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:35] <rmatte> like requests per minute
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:36] <rmatte> or whatever
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:38] <jb> rmatte: im creating a multi-graph report.. need to add the network utilization for several devices.. how can I figure out what datapoint i should use?
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:39] <zuez> I do, I run lots of daemons
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:43] <rmatte> it's for advanced monitoring of apache
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:52] <jb> uhm
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:56] <rmatte> if you just want to monitor port 80, or any other port, Zenoss already has that functionality built in
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:59] <jb> the apache zenpack offers lots of more functionality
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:59] <zuez> rmatte: so where can I find information for just monitoring http without all the pretty graphs?
[12-Nov-2009 10:08:02] <jb> it adds several performance graphs
[12-Nov-2009 10:08:10] <jb> based on the stats output of apache
[12-Nov-2009 10:08:14] <zuez> rmatte: that's what I'm looking for, the built in functionality first
[12-Nov-2009 10:08:32] <rmatte> zuez: once again, in the Zenoss admin guide
[12-Nov-2009 10:08:50] <rmatte> zuez: read the guide, it's a long read but it will answer 90% of the questions that you're bound to ask in here over the next few days
[12-Nov-2009 10:09:02] <zuez> Ok np
[12-Nov-2009 10:09:23] <rmatte> it's about 170 pages but you can skip the last 30 or so since they are specific to the Enterprise version
[12-Nov-2009 10:09:39] <jrock2004> zuez: rmatte gave me that same stuff he just gave you and it works. The admin guide is very helpful for the basics
[12-Nov-2009 10:09:52] <mdereus> zuez: Yes, from one noob to another, read the documentation. Or just search the PDF file for what you're looking for.
[12-Nov-2009 10:09:55] <zuez> Ok, I shall not ask anymore questions until that thing is read ;-)
[12-Nov-2009 10:09:57] <rmatte> hehe, it's the same thing I tell everyone, and it always helps :)
[12-Nov-2009 10:10:20] <zuez> Just making sure we're on the same page... Zenoss_Administration_2.4.3.pdf
[12-Nov-2009 10:10:21] <rmatte> I managed to power through it in a day, but you should be able to do it in like 2 days at a mild pace
[12-Nov-2009 10:10:33] <rmatte> zuez: yessir
[12-Nov-2009 10:10:34] <jrock2004> zenoss should make a bot that when certain things are asked it posts a link to the admin guide :)
[12-Nov-2009 10:10:51] <rmatte> zuez: the 2.5 version is incomplete at this point I believe, to 2.4.3 is the way to go
[12-Nov-2009 10:10:54] <jrock2004> what version are you running of zenoss?
[12-Nov-2009 10:11:17] <rmatte> jrock2004: I'm pretty sure that the 2.5 guide is missing some sections, so he should read through the 2.4.3 guide for now
[12-Nov-2009 10:11:25] <rmatte> jrock2004: it's mostly all the same stuff anyways
[12-Nov-2009 10:11:44] <jrock2004> it is I was just curious on the version he was running
[12-Nov-2009 10:12:00] <jrock2004> I agree I have scanned both of those docs
[12-Nov-2009 10:12:11] <rmatte> ah
[12-Nov-2009 10:12:19] <rmatte> chances are that he's running 2.5
[12-Nov-2009 10:15:12] <zuez> only other problem I need to solve is who the hell monitors the monitoring box itself ;-)
[12-Nov-2009 10:15:21] <zuez> will need to run some script from cron on a remote box
[12-Nov-2009 10:16:35] <rmatte> hehe
[12-Nov-2009 10:16:53] <rmatte> we have a separate Zenoss instance monitoring all of our Zenoss boxes, but we have 11 Zenoss Core boxes running
[12-Nov-2009 10:17:19] <jrock2004> I am bad I am using Nagios to monitor my zenoss box
[12-Nov-2009 10:17:20] <zuez> damn
[12-Nov-2009 10:17:30] <rmatte> jrock2004: for shame
[12-Nov-2009 10:17:32] <rmatte> lol
[12-Nov-2009 10:17:40] <jrock2004> I cry to hear that
[12-Nov-2009 10:17:50] <rmatte> :)
[12-Nov-2009 10:17:57] <zuez> I hope those 11 zenoss core boxes aren't because of zenoss scaling issues but more or less because you have a HUGE network of devices, cause I've seen nagios monitor 250+ devices np with two boxes
[12-Nov-2009 10:19:40] <rmatte> zuez: we're an MSP, each box is for a different client
[12-Nov-2009 10:19:42] <markeriv> hey all, i got a quick question for ya. I just want to monitor something via ping.
[12-Nov-2009 10:19:43] <jrock2004> I need to get another box that runs zenoss to monitor the other. Not sure how to do this just yet
[12-Nov-2009 10:19:48] <rmatte> zuez: and some of the boxes monitor multiple clients
[12-Nov-2009 10:20:08] <markeriv> When putting something into the devices/ping category it still complains about devices not authenticating with SNMP
[12-Nov-2009 10:20:12] <markeriv> anyway to shut it up?
[12-Nov-2009 10:20:30] <jrock2004> markeriv: Ok so go into zProperties remove the commandUsername and command Password and disabled SNMP
[12-Nov-2009 10:20:40] <markeriv> sweet
[12-Nov-2009 10:24:26] <markeriv> hmm all these fields are blank
[12-Nov-2009 10:28:30] <zuez> hey let me ask one more before I continue with this PDF ;-) if I have a device on /Device/Servers/Linux and not just on 'ping', how do I have it checked for ping / icmp responses also?
[12-Nov-2009 10:28:49] <markeriv> i like fping
[12-Nov-2009 10:28:51] <zuez> I mean I clearly want those boxes to trigger alerts if they aren't on /
[12-Nov-2009 10:28:58] <zuez> erf, if they aren't on /Device/Ping or whatever.
[12-Nov-2009 10:29:18] <jb> they will get pinged
[12-Nov-2009 10:29:28] <jb> unless you specifically disable it
[12-Nov-2009 10:30:44] <jrock2004> I found another glitch in 2.5
[12-Nov-2009 10:31:29] <jrock2004> When you add a device and you change change it from Production to like Pre-production it does not save that
[12-Nov-2009 10:32:05] <jrock2004> So if I add a box to the SSH/Linux class I get an event from the start about the zCommandPassword not being set
[12-Nov-2009 10:33:59] <RoundQube> anyone here familar with Asterisk monitoring? I'm using the plugin and its working quite great actually even thought it was labeled as unstable on the website. One issue I'm having with it is that when it comes to monitoring zap channels, it only graphs available so on my 1 PRI I have 23 avialble channels. Is there a way to change it to graph the number currently being used?
[12-Nov-2009 10:34:33] <rmatte> zuez: everything gets pinged unless you disable it
[12-Nov-2009 10:35:38] <rmatte> RoundQube: you'd have to add more datapoints to it manually, since Zenoss templates don't support dynamic datapoints
[12-Nov-2009 10:36:54] <rmatte> RoundQube: also, it's marked as unstable because it can apparently be very taxing on the Asterisk server itself
[12-Nov-2009 10:37:30] <rmatte> jrock2004: that's because of the SSH plugins
[12-Nov-2009 10:38:03] <jrock2004> I know I will get an event
[12-Nov-2009 10:38:38] <jrock2004> the issue is that because the event is generated and the server is put in production my team gets an email and SMS messages
[12-Nov-2009 10:39:24] <jrock2004> So when I add a device I believe I should be able to change the production state so when that event gets genereated I dont get SMS message
[12-Nov-2009 10:39:32] <rmatte> jrock2004: why do you even have it in that class if you're not properly monitoring it via SSH?
[12-Nov-2009 10:39:35] <rmatte> doesn't make any sense
[12-Nov-2009 10:39:50] <jrock2004> Ok I think we are not understanding each other here :)
[12-Nov-2009 10:40:00] <jrock2004> I want to monitor via ssh
[12-Nov-2009 10:40:36] <jrock2004> When I add a device I am not using the Easy add
[12-Nov-2009 10:40:43] <jrock2004> I switch to Advance add
[12-Nov-2009 10:40:59] <jrock2004> in advance add you cannot specify the ssh password for the device
[12-Nov-2009 10:41:15] <jrock2004> you have to add the device and go into the zProrties and add it
[12-Nov-2009 10:42:22] <jrock2004> So I am guessing when you want to use SSH you cannot use the Advance add. You have to use the easy add
[12-Nov-2009 10:44:06] <jrock2004> http://imagebin.ca/view/suw_OQ.html
[12-Nov-2009 10:44:16] <adytum-bot> Title: Screen shot 2009-11-12 at 11.42.46 AM.png (at imagebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 10:48:20] <sergeymasushko> Is there a way to monitor mysql replication delay?
[12-Nov-2009 10:48:49] <sergeymasushko> or how to adjust mysql monitor zenpack to do it?
[12-Nov-2009 11:06:10] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: check how it's gathering the info (SNMP, SSH), and then google for a solution
[12-Nov-2009 11:06:49] <jrock2004> Well you would need to run a command show slave status
[12-Nov-2009 11:08:42] <jrock2004> sergeymasushko: This might work docs/DOC-2484#comment-1288
[12-Nov-2009 11:08:59] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - MySQL Replication Slave Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[12-Nov-2009 11:09:08] <rmatte> jrock2004: nice find
[12-Nov-2009 11:09:27] <jrock2004> Thanks, see I am getting better ;0
[12-Nov-2009 11:09:31] <jrock2004> ;)
[12-Nov-2009 11:09:31] <rmatte> hehe
[12-Nov-2009 11:10:17] <sergeymasushko> thanks
[12-Nov-2009 11:10:36] <jrock2004> welcome
[12-Nov-2009 11:10:51] <jrock2004> I was just to start lookinf for this
[12-Nov-2009 11:12:19] <jrock2004> Download check_mysql_slave.py and place in $ZENHOME/libexec
[12-Nov-2009 11:12:44] <jrock2004> hmm I seem to not be able to find this directory. It seems to be escaping me lol
[12-Nov-2009 11:13:14] <sergeymasushko> /usr/local/zenoss
[12-Nov-2009 11:14:00] <rmatte> as the zenoss user just do cd $ZENHOME
[12-Nov-2009 11:14:02] <jrock2004> do not see a libexec directory
[12-Nov-2009 11:14:10] <jrock2004> I guess I will have to create it
[12-Nov-2009 11:14:12] <rmatte> it doesn't exist by default
[12-Nov-2009 11:14:21] <rmatte> I'd recommend creating a directory somewhere outside of $ZENHOME though
[12-Nov-2009 11:14:33] <rmatte> so that the script doesn't get fried during an upgrade or something
[12-Nov-2009 11:15:51] <jrock2004> so if I do that will I have to edit the python script
[12-Nov-2009 11:17:56] <rmatte> probably not
[12-Nov-2009 11:18:10] <rmatte> (I don't see why you'd have to)
[12-Nov-2009 11:18:23] <rmatte> you just need to edit whatever line calls on the script to look in a different location
[12-Nov-2009 11:18:44] <rmatte> which would be done in Zenoss
[12-Nov-2009 11:18:55] <jrock2004> ah gotcha
[12-Nov-2009 11:19:47] <jrock2004> ah you need to give the user SUPER access
[12-Nov-2009 11:20:00] <rmatte> DUPER!
[12-Nov-2009 11:20:41] <nzle> I just installed snmpinformant on an xp box and modeled it with zenoss but I have no filesystems detected. What do I need to do to get it to monitor space available on filesystems on windows.
[12-Nov-2009 11:20:43] <sergeymasushko> hm... I don't like to give zenoss user root access
[12-Nov-2009 11:20:43] <rmatte> ok, so now to figure out how to package this daemon as a ZenPack, need to have it done by tomorrow
[12-Nov-2009 11:21:58] <rmatte> ohhhhhh, I see
[12-Nov-2009 11:22:09] <rmatte> "Any file in a ZenPack's daemons directory is symlinked in $ZENHOME/bin when the ZenPack is installed."
[12-Nov-2009 11:22:19] <rmatte> so I just need to write a startup script that will work properly
[12-Nov-2009 11:22:37] <rmatte> sic, ok, time to try this...
[12-Nov-2009 11:23:10] <jrock2004> sergeymasushko: I gave my zenoss db user replication client privaleages and I dont get an error. I will continue and let you know if you can leave the super out
[12-Nov-2009 11:24:34] <jrock2004> rmatte: if you create a local copy of a template is that just making a template for a specific device?
[12-Nov-2009 11:24:40] <rmatte> man, was I overcomplicating this, this should be a piece of cake
[12-Nov-2009 11:24:55] <rmatte> jrock2004: a local copy will only exist on the object that you're creating it on
[12-Nov-2009 11:25:08] <jrock2004> ok cool
[12-Nov-2009 11:25:09] <rmatte> jrock2004: a local copy of an interface template only exists on that one specific interface for example
[12-Nov-2009 11:25:39] <sergeymasushko> I see
[12-Nov-2009 11:25:41] <jrock2004> so if I wanted to customize a template for a specific device I would create a local copy, correct?
[12-Nov-2009 11:25:51] <rmatte> correcto
[12-Nov-2009 11:25:52] <sergeymasushko> jus ti run the script without keys =)))
[12-Nov-2009 11:34:06] <jrock2004> rmatte: in the command template I would just put the URL to a file
[12-Nov-2009 11:48:09] <jrock2004> sergeymasushko: Have you tried to get this to work yet?
[12-Nov-2009 11:49:01] <sergeymasushko> jrock2004: not yet...
[12-Nov-2009 11:49:55] <jrock2004> ok cause I have not gotten the add data source to work yet
[12-Nov-2009 11:57:39] <jrock2004> Ok I figured it out
[12-Nov-2009 12:00:49] <rmatte> eugh, this blows...
[12-Nov-2009 12:01:08] <jrock2004> what does?
[12-Nov-2009 12:01:19] <rmatte> trying to figure out how to use os.environ in conjunction with config.read
[12-Nov-2009 12:01:23] <rmatte> I've tried: config.read(['%s/zenticket.conf']) % (str(os.environ['ZENHOME']))
[12-Nov-2009 12:01:37] <rmatte> and config.read([os.environ['ZENHOME']'/zenticket.conf'])
[12-Nov-2009 12:01:43] <rmatte> neither work
[12-Nov-2009 12:02:13] <rmatte> probably missing something really stupid
[12-Nov-2009 12:02:31] <zuez> Is it documented somewhere what permissions I have to give the zenoss user on my mysql database for the mysql zenpack to do its thing?
[12-Nov-2009 12:02:34] <majikman> so i know zenoss works with syslog-ng, but how about rsyslog?
[12-Nov-2009 12:02:47] <majikman> oh yea... had a question from yesterday i didn't get answered either.... is it possible to make a local copy of a template for every device in a class? or do i need to do it one at a time?
[12-Nov-2009 12:03:02] <rmatte> zuez: I'm pretty sure the MySQL ZenPack is covered in the admin guide since it's a core zenpack
[12-Nov-2009 12:03:17] <rmatte> majikman: one at a time
[12-Nov-2009 12:03:23] <majikman> zuez, i'm pretty sure all it needs is SHOW privileges though
[12-Nov-2009 12:03:41] <rmatte> majikman: I'm sure you could automate it somehow but it wouldn't be easy
[12-Nov-2009 12:04:11] <majikman> dang... that sucks when you have two classes of servers that need the same template but different settings
[12-Nov-2009 12:04:54] <zuez> oh it's in the extended guide, nm
[12-Nov-2009 12:06:38] <rmatte> ah, I think I need to use os.path.join
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:13] <jrock2004> You trying to make a zenpack?
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:19] <rmatte> eugh wtf
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:19] <rmatte> >>> os.environ['ZENHOME']
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:19] <rmatte> '/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss'
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:19] <rmatte> >>> zenconfpath = os.path.join(str(os.environ['ZENHOME']), '/etc/zenticket.conf')
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:19] <rmatte> >>> zenconfpath
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:21] <rmatte> '/etc/zenticket.conf'
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:46] <rmatte> so the function outputs /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss but when I try to join it to /etc/zenticket.conf I just get /etc/zentickets.conf, hmmm
[12-Nov-2009 12:14:03] <rmatte> ahhhhh
[12-Nov-2009 12:14:09] <rmatte> needed to remove the / before etc
[12-Nov-2009 12:33:33] <kobalt> ok I have a weird thing going on, I have a oid that collects a value (in this cause CRC errors, the oid reports it as a interger) I have it set to counter, I set the max threshold to 0 and it spewed out all the interface thresholds for the first round, but it keeps thowing the threshold with the same number every 5 min
[12-Nov-2009 12:34:13] <kobalt> I was under the impression it would set the current value then only throw addition threshold events when it incremented
[12-Nov-2009 12:36:41] <kobalt> am I doing something wrong?
[12-Nov-2009 12:40:35] <twm1010> howdy howdy
[12-Nov-2009 12:45:51] <rmatte> kobalt: you most likely have a repeat time set on your alerting rule
[12-Nov-2009 12:46:16] <kobalt> rmatte: sorry not alert but event in the event console
[12-Nov-2009 12:46:18] <rmatte> if repeat time is set to 300 you'll get an alert every 5 minutes while the event is in the active events
[12-Nov-2009 12:46:26] <twm1010> rmatte: You've got a good grasp on the rrdcreate commands?
[12-Nov-2009 12:46:35] <rmatte> twm1010: not really lol
[12-Nov-2009 12:46:44] <rmatte> twm1010: I stumble my way through when I need to
[12-Nov-2009 12:46:49] <kobalt> rmatte: I have not setup a alert just the threshold of CRC error event
[12-Nov-2009 12:46:58] <twm1010> I see the four lines, used by default to create an RRD file
[12-Nov-2009 12:47:03] <twm1010> for averages, at least
[12-Nov-2009 12:47:09] <rmatte> kobalt: so you're basically complaining that it's incrementing the event count on the threshold?
[12-Nov-2009 12:47:38] <rmatte> kobalt: Zenoss goes out every 5 minutes and polls, for each time that the threshold is violated it increments the event count until the threshold clears and it auto-clears the event
[12-Nov-2009 12:47:40] <kobalt> rmatte: it is but the value is not increasing
[12-Nov-2009 12:47:43] <rmatte> that is totally normal behaviour
[12-Nov-2009 12:47:49] <rmatte> oh
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:03] <rmatte> so it generates 1 event but never increases the count?
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:11] <kobalt> correct
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:18] <rmatte> what version of Zenoss are you running?
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:22] <kobalt> like I have a interface that has 1 crc
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:25] <kobalt> 2.5
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:33] <rmatte> ok, so it has 1 crc error...
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:36] <rmatte> and?
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:39] <kobalt> every 5 minutes it tells me about the 1 crc
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:45] <kobalt> it does not increase
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:49] <kobalt> it still has one
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:50] <rmatte> oh, well it'll obviously do that
[12-Nov-2009 12:49:06] <rmatte> it's because of the type of graph that you're applying the threshold against
[12-Nov-2009 12:49:10] <kobalt> it does not do that with the error
[12-Nov-2009 12:49:10] <rmatte> it maintains a tally
[12-Nov-2009 12:49:22] <kobalt> I have it set to Counter
[12-Nov-2009 12:49:29] <rmatte> so if you set your threshold at 1, the graph will always show 1
[12-Nov-2009 12:49:40] <rmatte> and hence the threshold will always be violated
[12-Nov-2009 12:50:20] <kobalt> so how would I set it to tell me if its incrementing, I dont care what the current value is I want to know if it increments
[12-Nov-2009 12:50:56] <rmatte> kobalt: I can't think of it off the top of my head, and I'm in the middle of coding something... why don't you post on the forums about it and see what happens
[12-Nov-2009 12:51:14] <rmatte> I'll look in to it later if I have time
[12-Nov-2009 12:55:18] <twm1010> okay I think I got this rrd understood
[12-Nov-2009 12:55:32] <twm1010> one line doesn't necessarily roll onto the other
[12-Nov-2009 12:58:33] <rmatte> hmmmm, thought I finally had this daemon zenpack thing worked out, but the daemon isn't starting when I execute the script that I included in the zenpack
[12-Nov-2009 12:58:34] <rmatte> hmmm
[12-Nov-2009 13:00:55] <twm1010> so if I have this straight
[12-Nov-2009 13:01:25] <twm1010> Zenoss by default uses either a gauge, derive, or absolute, and keeps 600
[12-Nov-2009 13:01:37] <twm1010> datapoints (50 hrs @ 300 second polling)
[12-Nov-2009 13:07:06] <jrock2004> Ok one of my servers went down and I got 5 emails about it. WTF
[12-Nov-2009 13:07:22] <twm1010> I use two rules
[12-Nov-2009 13:07:36] <twm1010> one specifically for /Events/Status/Ping
[12-Nov-2009 13:07:43] <twm1010> and one for everything else, with a 3 minute delay
[12-Nov-2009 13:07:50] <twm1010> that way I am sure to get ping down events first
[12-Nov-2009 13:08:20] <twm1010> I would think depending on what point in the polling/status/performance cycles Zenoss is currently at you might get notified that a process, or performance counter is down first
[12-Nov-2009 13:08:25] <twm1010> hence, the delay
[12-Nov-2009 13:09:50] <rmatte> eugh, wish egor was around, I'm almost done modding my ticket create daemon to be packaged as a ZenPack, but I'm stuck. It symlinks the startup script just fine but it doesn't start
[12-Nov-2009 13:10:08] <rmatte> I basically copied his startup script and modded it but it's not working at all
[12-Nov-2009 13:10:45] <jrock2004> So if I would put a filter for /device class or even class
[12-Nov-2009 13:11:07] <twm1010> I did it by device class, but if you need to qualify it better, do so, play with it, you'll get it
[12-Nov-2009 13:11:09] <twm1010> mine is simple:
[12-Nov-2009 13:11:17] <twm1010> device must be in production
[12-Nov-2009 13:11:26] <twm1010> priority at or above a certain level
[12-Nov-2009 13:11:36] <twm1010> and the event class must be /Status/Ping
[12-Nov-2009 13:11:40] <twm1010> and should be a "critical" event
[12-Nov-2009 13:11:56] <twm1010> for my other rule, I said NOT /Status/Ping :)
[12-Nov-2009 13:12:31] <twm1010> Seemed to do the trick for me
[12-Nov-2009 13:12:41] <twm1010> rmatte: What ticketing system? curious
[12-Nov-2009 13:13:20] <rmatte> twm1010: otrs
[12-Nov-2009 13:13:58] <twm1010> hrmmm.... so I understand what RRA:AVERAGE:0.5:1:600 means
[12-Nov-2009 13:14:01] <rmatte> twm1010: but my daemon just calls on a ticket create script, so it could be modded for basically anything
[12-Nov-2009 13:14:24] <twm1010> but what does the second line mean, 0.5:6:600
[12-Nov-2009 13:14:38] * rmatte shrugs
[12-Nov-2009 13:17:16] <twm1010> I take it to mean, every time the datapoint is polled, an average of the last 6 datapoints is stored and kept for 600 cycles
[12-Nov-2009 13:18:18] <twm1010> so by default, for every datapoint, zenoss is keeping 4 RRA averages and two RRA max points
[12-Nov-2009 13:22:09] <zuez> hey so I have an OID for the dellstorage controller which can have 5 states, I want to continue monitoring this OID, but I don't want alerts for one of the particular status marks which keeps going off
[12-Nov-2009 13:22:22] <zuez> threshold 4 is non-critical, keeps coming up
[12-Nov-2009 13:22:32] <zuez> is there anyway I can continue monitoring it, just for not that state?
[12-Nov-2009 13:22:37] <jrock2004> twm1010: so if I set that filter up with the status ping I will get an alert when the IP goes down
[12-Nov-2009 13:23:17] <jrock2004> twm1010: But if apache goes down I will not get an alert.
[12-Nov-2009 13:24:17] <kobalt> rmatte: did you set the script to the right permissions?
[12-Nov-2009 13:26:46] <rmatte> it's not a permissions issue
[12-Nov-2009 13:26:55] <rmatte> it's just somehow not picking up the path to the script or something
[12-Nov-2009 13:27:14] <rmatte> I'm just going to write a new script, the one I'm working on now seems to be working better
[12-Nov-2009 13:30:53] <zuez> forums seem to be having an issue -- never got my activation link, but a reset password email came in
[12-Nov-2009 13:31:00] <zuez> (and yes I've checked my spam folder)
[12-Nov-2009 13:32:04] <gwb2351> if you can use wmic to check against a windows server (and get results) would that imply that you should be able to enter the same user/password for zWinUser/zWinPassword zproperties and get WMI results (instead of NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED errors) during a device model?
[12-Nov-2009 13:32:33] <rmatte> haha, I think I finally got this working
[12-Nov-2009 13:32:53] <kobalt> rmatte: Sweet
[12-Nov-2009 13:32:58] <rmatte> I need to make it a bit more elegant, but it's working
[12-Nov-2009 13:33:29] <rmatte> Daemon: zenwin starting...
[12-Nov-2009 13:33:29] <rmatte> Daemon: zeneventlog starting...
[12-Nov-2009 13:33:29] <rmatte> Daemon: zenperfwmi starting...
[12-Nov-2009 13:33:29] <rmatte> Daemon: zenticket starting...
[12-Nov-2009 13:33:33] <rmatte> muahaha
[12-Nov-2009 13:33:42] <rmatte> it's aliiiiive
[12-Nov-2009 13:33:48] <kobalt> Woot
[12-Nov-2009 13:35:14] <zuez> Anyone here an administrator on the forums?
[12-Nov-2009 13:35:31] <rmatte> I'm using the full path to the pack though, need to find a way to make the path ignore the version number...
[12-Nov-2009 13:36:40] <rmatte> aha, got it
[12-Nov-2009 13:38:07] <kobalt> this threshold is driving me nuts lol, its no different then the in/out put errors threshold I have set
[12-Nov-2009 13:39:50] <kobalt> well I seem to have found the difference.... the value for the error is a COUNTER32 and the CRC errors are INTEGER
[12-Nov-2009 13:40:13] <kobalt> does the Type of data make a difference?
[12-Nov-2009 13:40:21] <twm1010> yes, oh yes it does
[12-Nov-2009 13:40:42] <kobalt> so how do I get this to work lol
[12-Nov-2009 13:42:46] <twm1010> curiously
[12-Nov-2009 13:42:58] <rmatte> hmmm, damn
[12-Nov-2009 13:42:59] <twm1010> is the in/out errors a "total" counter?
[12-Nov-2009 13:43:03] <rmatte> Daemon: zenperfwmi program running; pid=26018
[12-Nov-2009 13:43:04] <rmatte> Daemon: zenticket usage: zenticket start|stop|restart
[12-Nov-2009 13:43:05] <twm1010> total errors, etc?
[12-Nov-2009 13:43:10] <rmatte> need, to figure out how to code that status in
[12-Nov-2009 13:43:25] <kobalt> it is
[12-Nov-2009 13:43:47] <twm1010> what type did you set the datapoint to, derive?
[12-Nov-2009 13:43:51] Bryanstein is now known as zz_Bryanstein
[12-Nov-2009 13:44:10] <kobalt> I have it set to Counter, I have also tried Derive with a min of 0
[12-Nov-2009 13:44:44] <twm1010> if the counter type is a "total" type
[12-Nov-2009 13:44:50] <twm1010> you need to set it to derive
[12-Nov-2009 13:44:55] <twm1010> and then delete the RRD files
[12-Nov-2009 13:44:58] <twm1010> and let it recreate them
[12-Nov-2009 13:45:05] <kobalt> Im not graphing them
[12-Nov-2009 13:45:06] <twm1010> don't set a minimum of zero
[12-Nov-2009 13:45:10] <twm1010> it doesn't matter
[12-Nov-2009 13:45:43] <twm1010> you can't set a minimum of zero, because sometimes the value isn't going to change
[12-Nov-2009 13:46:01] zz_Bryanstein is now known as Bryanstein
[12-Nov-2009 13:46:23] <twm1010> at least, that's how i've understood it
[12-Nov-2009 13:46:37] <kobalt> well lets see if it works
[12-Nov-2009 13:46:54] <rmatte> eugh, now I need to figure out where the daemons are pulling that function from
[12-Nov-2009 13:46:55] <rmatte> zenoss@lab01:/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus$ zenping status
[12-Nov-2009 13:46:55] <rmatte> program running; pid=25721
[12-Nov-2009 13:47:03] <rmatte> it's not actually right in the daemon code
[12-Nov-2009 13:47:33] <rmatte> aha, DaemonStats I think
[12-Nov-2009 13:47:54] <zuez> if I have an OID where I want only threshold alerts when the value is > 4
[12-Nov-2009 13:48:00] <zuez> should I just set the minimum to 4 and leave max empty?
[12-Nov-2009 13:48:05] <rmatte> ah, nope
[12-Nov-2009 13:48:26] <twm1010> minimum of 4 would ignore all values below 4 that are collected, i wouldn't set a minimum
[12-Nov-2009 13:48:48] <zuez> I don't want an alert for anything lower than 4
[12-Nov-2009 13:48:54] <zuez> I just want to get alerted for >= 4
[12-Nov-2009 13:49:03] <jrock2004> twm1010: This is what I was looking for http://tinyurl.com/y9rxby3
[12-Nov-2009 13:49:20] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Zenoss Blog: No Node Left Behind: Tip of the Month: Event Suppression (at tinyurl.com)
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:03] <twm1010> zuez: I suppose you could ignore all values below 4, but really what your trying to do is in the threshold setup, not the datapoint
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:22] <twm1010> jrock2004: I've been meaning to get that setup myself
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:24] <zuez> well
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:25] <zuez> Possible values: 1: Other 2: Unknown 3: OK 4: Non-critical 5: Critical 6: Non-recoverable
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:32] <zuez> I just want to get alerts when the value is 5 or 6
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:45] <twm1010> and I probably will supress the events as well, but as far as controlling e-mail spam, i make sure i only get the ones i really want with the filters
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:45] <zuez> right now the min/max is set to 3
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:51] <zuez> so i'm getting alerts on 4
[12-Nov-2009 13:51:13] <twm1010> set two thresholds then
[12-Nov-2009 13:51:17] <twm1010> one when the value = 5
[12-Nov-2009 13:51:21] <twm1010> and another when it is 6
[12-Nov-2009 13:51:37] <twm1010> but i don't see why you can't do >=5
[12-Nov-2009 13:51:43] <zuez> it can't be covered in one threshold but just setting the minimum to 5?
[12-Nov-2009 13:51:51] <zuez> s/but/by
[12-Nov-2009 13:51:58] <twm1010> zuez: if you set the minimum/maximum of the data point to 3
[12-Nov-2009 13:52:03] <twm1010> the only valid value it will record is a 3
[12-Nov-2009 13:52:23] <twm1010> if you only care about datapoints that equal 4,5,6
[12-Nov-2009 13:52:30] <twm1010> you would set the minimum to 4, maximum to 6
[12-Nov-2009 13:52:46] <zuez> won't that only create an alert for 5?
[12-Nov-2009 13:53:00] <zuez> basically what i'm asking is, are the bounds inclusive or exclusive
[12-Nov-2009 13:53:33] <twm1010> you're confusing the recording of data with the threshold, two separate things
[12-Nov-2009 13:53:41] <zuez> i don't want to record this data
[12-Nov-2009 13:53:48] <zuez> i just want alerts if particular values hit
[12-Nov-2009 13:55:21] <twm1010> you need to record it, in some fashion, to have a threshold on it
[12-Nov-2009 13:55:24] <zuez> there's nothing to graph for this oid, it's just a controller
[12-Nov-2009 13:55:31] <zuez> it's my raid controller
[12-Nov-2009 13:55:40] <zuez> and i want to get an event go off if the controller goes into a critical state
[12-Nov-2009 13:55:42] <twm1010> so for the DATAPOINT set to minimum to 4
[12-Nov-2009 13:55:45] <twm1010> mximum to 6
[12-Nov-2009 13:56:58] <zuez> Data Points is just set to status_status
[12-Nov-2009 14:00:04] <twm1010> start over, you got a datasource and a datapoint
[12-Nov-2009 14:00:18] <twm1010> that datapoint is type GAUGE
[12-Nov-2009 14:00:32] <twm1010> you do not need to define a minimum maximum
[12-Nov-2009 14:00:53] <twm1010> then set a threshold on that datapoint that all values 4+ are critical
[12-Nov-2009 14:01:06] <twm1010> thats it, no more to do
[12-Nov-2009 14:01:12] <zuez> this is what I'm talking about http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57676/screenshots/dellstorage.png
[12-Nov-2009 14:01:44] <zuez> i'm just not entirely sure how to properly set the min/max to make all 4+ create an alert/event
[12-Nov-2009 14:01:56] <twm1010> set a minimum of 4, no maximum
[12-Nov-2009 14:02:18] <zuez> k
[12-Nov-2009 14:02:36] <twm1010> which means, any event, 4 or above, will be considered a critical event
[12-Nov-2009 14:03:10] <rmatte> saweet, hot status coded now too
[12-Nov-2009 14:03:23] <zuez> twm1010: ok, thanks
[12-Nov-2009 14:03:39] <twm1010> sorry, i thought you were manipulating the RRD min/max
[12-Nov-2009 14:03:55] <zuez> nope, just an event threshold i guess
[12-Nov-2009 14:03:59] <twm1010> instead of the min/max threshold
[12-Nov-2009 14:04:05] <zuez> kept getting alerts because 4 was going off
[12-Nov-2009 14:04:09] <zuez> (firmware upgrade needed)
[12-Nov-2009 14:04:13] <zuez> I just want to know if the thing is dead :-P
[12-Nov-2009 14:04:22] <twm1010> well, wouldn't that be 5 and above?
[12-Nov-2009 14:04:30] <zuez> yeah, I set the min to 5
[12-Nov-2009 14:04:31] <twm1010> perhaps you should change that value to 5
[12-Nov-2009 14:04:52] Bryanstein is now known as zz_Bryanstein
[12-Nov-2009 14:05:23] <twm1010> I suppose if you set the min and max both to 3, it would report on damn near all statuses :)
[12-Nov-2009 14:05:43] <twm1010> except 3
[12-Nov-2009 14:08:10] <zuez> so it's inclusive then
[12-Nov-2009 14:08:21] zz_Bryanstein is now known as Bryanstein
[12-Nov-2009 14:08:27] <zuez> if you set minimum it creates an alert including the minimum threshold and including the maximum
[12-Nov-2009 14:08:38] <twm1010> I believe so
[12-Nov-2009 14:08:46] <twm1010> it creates an "event", to be specific
[12-Nov-2009 14:09:18] <zuez> This is the most annoying thing SshUserAuth: no password found -- has zCommandPassword been set
[12-Nov-2009 14:09:27] <zuez> verified like 50 times that zCommandPassword is not set
[12-Nov-2009 14:09:55] <rmatte> booyeh all done, one working daemon zenpack
[12-Nov-2009 14:10:00] <rmatte> was easier than I thought
[12-Nov-2009 14:10:31] <zuez> zCommandLoginTries is set to 1
[12-Nov-2009 14:10:37] <zuez> I wonder if that's causing it
[12-Nov-2009 14:10:57] <twm1010> Did you just say you verified that it has NOT been set?
[12-Nov-2009 14:11:04] <twm1010> Are you trying to do SSH based monitoring of a device?
[12-Nov-2009 14:11:11] <zuez> No
[12-Nov-2009 14:11:14] <zuez> Just SNMP, no ssh
[12-Nov-2009 14:11:19] <zuez> I don't want it attempting to login via ssh
[12-Nov-2009 14:11:37] <twm1010> go to the zProperties of the device class
[12-Nov-2009 14:11:39] <zuez> it still keeps trying though
[12-Nov-2009 14:11:44] <zuez> yeah i'm there
[12-Nov-2009 14:12:44] <cryptographrix> hmmm
[12-Nov-2009 14:12:44] <twm1010> rmatte: where do you turn off SSH based monitoring?
[12-Nov-2009 14:12:48] <twm1010> i don't see the zproperty for it
[12-Nov-2009 14:12:57] <zuez> good question :D
[12-Nov-2009 14:13:16] <twm1010> what device class is it you're trying to edit?
[12-Nov-2009 14:13:45] <cryptographrix> snmpd on monitored systems are logging 120-230+ connections once every 3 mins by zenoss...is there any way to lower this?
[12-Nov-2009 14:13:48] <zuez> Device/Server/Linux
[12-Nov-2009 14:14:29] <twm1010> cryptographrix: i supposed you could increase the max OID's per request ?
[12-Nov-2009 14:14:43] <cryptographrix> how could I do that?
[12-Nov-2009 14:15:41] <twm1010> there is a zproperty for it
[12-Nov-2009 14:15:52] <cryptographrix> hmm
[12-Nov-2009 14:16:34] <twm1010> zuez: i wonder if you set a zCommandUsername?
[12-Nov-2009 14:16:55] <zuez> tmw1010: only for mysql, not for ssh
[12-Nov-2009 14:18:52] <twm1010> the only differences between my /Devices/Server/Linux class and my /Devices/Server/SSH/Linux zProperties is the existence of a zCommandUsername property being set
[12-Nov-2009 14:19:48] <RoundQube> Zenoss is graphing my memory usage and showing 95% used but my Webmin shows that only 8% of memory is being used. Why the discrepancy?
[12-Nov-2009 14:20:00] <twm1010> RoundQube: What kind of server?
[12-Nov-2009 14:20:10] <RoundQube> linux asterisk server
[12-Nov-2009 14:20:28] <RoundQube> free -m <-- show 500MB free and 1.5G in use but webmin shows the server to be fine
[12-Nov-2009 14:20:41] <twm1010> perhaps webmin and zenoss are polling two different values
[12-Nov-2009 14:21:14] <RoundQube> i should trust free -m though right?
[12-Nov-2009 14:21:29] <RoundQube> Mem: 2027 1484 542 (total, used, free)
[12-Nov-2009 14:21:37] <majikman> i tried to create a COMMAND data source with the following command: Cmd: { time /usr/bin/mysql -hsomehost.com -usomeuser -psomepassword -e"show status" >/dev/null; } 2>&1 | /usr/bin/awk '{if ($1 == "real") printf("%s\n", $2)}' | /bin/sed 's/\(0m\|s\|\.\)//g' - Code: 2 - Msg: Misuse of shell builtins
[12-Nov-2009 14:21:44] <majikman> any idea why i'm getting that Misuse of shell builtins?
[12-Nov-2009 14:21:53] <twm1010> let me look at my zenoss server's graphs
[12-Nov-2009 14:22:32] <wildcard0> majikman: maybe specify /usr/bin/time ?
[12-Nov-2009 14:22:46] <rmatte> twm1010: there is no zProperty for turning off SSH monitoring, if the zCommandUserName and zCommandPassword fields are blank it shouldn't do it
[12-Nov-2009 14:22:47] <majikman> /usr/bin/time != time
[12-Nov-2009 14:22:58] <majikman> i want to use the bash shell version of time
[12-Nov-2009 14:23:04] <rmatte> twm1010: read the SSH section of the Admin Guide, maybe I'm missing something
[12-Nov-2009 14:23:06] <wildcard0> ya sorry, i thought you wanted /usr/bin/time
[12-Nov-2009 14:23:18] <majikman> np. thanks anyways
[12-Nov-2009 14:23:35] <twm1010> rmatte: that's what i thought :D
[12-Nov-2009 14:23:44] <cryptographrix> hmmm
[12-Nov-2009 14:24:03] <cryptographrix> I still have 215 "Connection from UDP" lines once every 3 mins....:(
[12-Nov-2009 14:24:18] <twm1010> cryptographrix: why is that bad?
[12-Nov-2009 14:24:50] <rmatte> but once again, why do you even have devices in the SSH class if you're not doing SSH monitoring on them?
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:12] <twm1010> he doesn't, but he did set zCommandUsername
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:25] <twm1010> apparently for mySQL monitoring
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:26] <twm1010> ?
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:30] <rmatte> then that's the problem
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:43] <rmatte> the MySQL ZenPack probably does monitoring via SSH
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:46] <cryptographrix> /var/log/messages* = 35-60M each :/
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:52] <rmatte> (I've never used it, but I assume)
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:55] <RoundQube> twm1010 were you looking at the memory question I had or you went to look at graphs for yourself?
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:56] <twm1010> RoundQube: mine is right on here
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:59] <rmatte> so he needs to setup the username and the password properly
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:05] <majikman> nah... mysql zenpack does monitoring via a mysql user
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:10] <RoundQube> twm1010 hmm why is mine wrong?
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:10] <rmatte> and they need to have access to issue whatever commands the MySQL ZenPack is trying to do
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:19] <twm1010> free -m, shows 139M free out of 3991 total
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:28] <majikman> you have to create a mysql user that gives the zenoss permissions to access the database
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:30] <twm1010> zenoss graph shows 95% utilization
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:32] <cryptographrix> and there's 6 of them, most with the same "Connection from UDP: [IP]:port" lines
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:35] <majikman> and the user needs at least SHOW privilegse
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:37] <RoundQube> twm1010 right meaning free -m shows the same values that zenoss is graphing?
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:43] <majikman> which i believe is SELECT privileges
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:53] <RoundQube> twm1010 95% utilization? but you are not using 95% of your memory
[12-Nov-2009 14:27:09] <chudler> in mysql at least, SHOW comes with just having a user account. IIRC. Its been a while.
[12-Nov-2009 14:27:19] <kobalt> twm1010: Sweet that worked thanks
[12-Nov-2009 14:27:30] <twm1010> kobalt: no problem
[12-Nov-2009 14:27:46] <twm1010> RoundQube: Linux does handle memory quite differently than windows
[12-Nov-2009 14:28:04] <twm1010> it will typically use it "all" and then dish it out from there
[12-Nov-2009 14:28:16] <twm1010> so the value webmin is giving you, is probably... cached memory, or some other value
[12-Nov-2009 14:28:22] <RoundQube> twm1010 so im confused as to how to read these graphs. if it shows used memory at 98%, i should be worried (zenoss reporting this)
[12-Nov-2009 14:29:24] <twm1010> I'm no Linux guru, perhaps someone can speak up as to how to read the graph
[12-Nov-2009 14:29:33] <RoundQube> my other identical linux asterisk servers are showing usage in the 30's - 40's which is correct
[12-Nov-2009 14:30:13] <twm1010> and my other linux servers doesn't show such high utilization, yet are the same version of redhate
[12-Nov-2009 14:30:15] <twm1010> redhat
[12-Nov-2009 14:30:16] <RoundQube> and running free -m matches up zenoss graphs
[12-Nov-2009 14:30:39] <twm1010> i would think the services/apps running have a dramatic affect on how much memory is allocated
[12-Nov-2009 14:31:18] <twm1010> another one of my redhat boxes is running 98% utilization
[12-Nov-2009 14:31:58] <twm1010> i think a few minutes of googling will reveal the answer
[12-Nov-2009 14:43:23] <rmatte> hmmmm, "zenoss status" works, but it doesn't show the correct status in the UI
[12-Nov-2009 14:43:29] <rmatte> guess I'll have to figure that one out
[12-Nov-2009 14:55:36] <rmatte> cgibbons: you alive?
[12-Nov-2009 14:57:48] <patzer> how can I delete a device that is stuck?
[12-Nov-2009 14:58:02] <patzer> eg. its deviceClass() is null, so I can't use the gui
[12-Nov-2009 15:03:58] <rmatte> hmmm, ok, so it gets the states via zport.About.getZenossDaemonStates()
[12-Nov-2009 15:04:06] <rmatte> now how the heck do I set the states, hmmm
[12-Nov-2009 15:04:18] Bryanstein is now known as zz_Bryanstein
[12-Nov-2009 15:07:31] zz_Bryanstein is now known as Bryanstein
[12-Nov-2009 15:09:02] <cgibbons> kinda whatup?
[12-Nov-2009 15:10:01] <rmatte> hey
[12-Nov-2009 15:10:22] <rmatte> ok, so, I've written a daemon and packaged it in to a ZenPack... everything works except for the status and PID in the UI
[12-Nov-2009 15:10:37] <rmatte> so far I've figured out that it pulls the status from zport.About.getZenossDaemonStates()
[12-Nov-2009 15:10:46] <rmatte> any idea where that stuff gets set though?
[12-Nov-2009 15:11:30] <rmatte> I need to manipulate it when my script starts and stops (I used my own daemon stuff instead of using the Zenoss stuff, since I wanted it to be more stand-alone)
[12-Nov-2009 15:11:57] <rmatte> it takes the same commands and outputs the same: Daemon: zenticket program running; pid=30581
[12-Nov-2009 15:12:08] <rmatte> but the last thing I need to do is the UI status
[12-Nov-2009 15:12:31] <jrock2004> Does that not depend on if you are using SSH or SNMP?
[12-Nov-2009 15:13:07] <rmatte> just wondering if you know how I can set that stuff myself in my script
[12-Nov-2009 15:18:39] <jrock2004> Could the field be sysUpTime
[12-Nov-2009 15:25:03] kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal
[12-Nov-2009 15:30:56] <rmatte> aha, finally tracked down the code for getZenossDaemonStates...
[12-Nov-2009 15:34:29] <rmatte> oh I see, I'm just stashing the pid file in the wrong place...
[12-Nov-2009 15:41:18] Bryanstein is now known as zz_Bryanstein
[12-Nov-2009 15:42:48] <jrock2004> Why cant I bind the filesystem to /Devices/Server/Linux?
[12-Nov-2009 15:42:57] <twm1010> you don't bind a filesystem template
[12-Nov-2009 15:43:14] <twm1010> you just place a copy of it at the class level, and the nodes auto-bind the nearest one
[12-Nov-2009 15:43:44] <twm1010> similar to interface templates
[12-Nov-2009 15:45:24] <jrock2004> Cool
[12-Nov-2009 15:47:38] kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal
[12-Nov-2009 15:49:12] <rmatte> there we go, that fixed it
[12-Nov-2009 15:51:05] <jrock2004> Is this: getTotalBlocks() defined by snmp?
[12-Nov-2009 15:51:25] <rmatte> it's defined by a collector plugin
[12-Nov-2009 15:51:30] <rmatte> via snmp
[12-Nov-2009 15:57:56] <jrock2004> If I created a threshold for mem_mem would it be here.getTotalBlocks() *.95
[12-Nov-2009 15:58:53] <jrock2004> or is there more to that one
[12-Nov-2009 15:59:02] <jrock2004> if so Iwill reseach it
[12-Nov-2009 16:00:20] <jrock2004> or could I do here.mem_mem * .95
[12-Nov-2009 16:00:48] <sciolist> correct me if I'm wrong, here: when upgading a master+collectors, only the master needs to have the rpm packages updated, the collectors then 'suck over' the necessary bits from the master using the "Update collector" action, correct?
[12-Nov-2009 16:11:40] <rmatte> sciolist: nah, it all needs updating
[12-Nov-2009 16:11:55] <rmatte> as far as I'm aware
[12-Nov-2009 16:11:58] <rmatte> I could be wrong though
[12-Nov-2009 16:12:44] <sciolist> I'm not seeing that in the docs... and there aren't any rpms installed on the collectors at all
[12-Nov-2009 16:13:00] <sciolist> it just seemed strange
[12-Nov-2009 16:19:33] <jrock2004> rmatte: If I want to get far with Zenoss should I learn python
[12-Nov-2009 16:29:35] <RoundQube> jrock2004 if you want to get far in life, you should learn python
[12-Nov-2009 16:31:46] <kgoedtel> I bet people said that about COBOL
[12-Nov-2009 16:33:34] <rmatte> jrock2004: definitely
[12-Nov-2009 16:33:45] <rmatte> jrock2004: all of the event transforms need to be written in python
[12-Nov-2009 16:34:13] <rmatte> jrock2004: all of the zendmd commands are python
[12-Nov-2009 16:34:39] <rmatte> jrock2004: I didn't know any python before I started using Zenoss and I'm glad that I learned it. It makes managing Zenoss a heck of a lot easier
[12-Nov-2009 16:35:08] <rmatte> woot, my ticket create ZenPack is 100% done
[12-Nov-2009 16:35:15] <rmatte> (finally)
[12-Nov-2009 16:35:40] <jrock2004> I am amased on how python looks so similar to PHP
[12-Nov-2009 16:35:57] <rmatte> yeh, I've heard that before, though I don't really know any PHP
[12-Nov-2009 16:36:11] <jrock2004> You know the basics
[12-Nov-2009 16:36:30] <jrock2004> print "Hello World" compared to echo "Hello World";
[12-Nov-2009 16:37:23] <rmatte> This is officially the best piece of python that I've written yet: http://pastebin.com/f256b82d3
[12-Nov-2009 16:37:33] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[12-Nov-2009 16:38:05] <rmatte> I learned a ton from writing it
[12-Nov-2009 16:38:38] <rmatte> yeh, well, I know a lot of bash scripting, so "echo" is not foreign to me lol
[12-Nov-2009 16:38:56] <rmatte> between bash and python I can pretty much make anything at this point
[12-Nov-2009 16:40:07] <jrock2004> rmatte: Great work
[12-Nov-2009 16:40:16] <wildcard0> rmatte: make me a sandwich :)
[12-Nov-2009 16:40:31] <rmatte> haha
[12-Nov-2009 16:40:40] <rmatte> jrock2004: thanks
[12-Nov-2009 16:42:54] <rmatte> according to my friend who just saw my code he says it looks a lot more like javascript than php
[12-Nov-2009 16:43:08] <rmatte> mainly because of all the re.match apparently
[12-Nov-2009 16:43:40] <jrock2004> well the class stuff looks more live Java
[12-Nov-2009 16:44:11] <rmatte> yeh, it's got a bit of everything in it
[12-Nov-2009 16:44:20] <rmatte> I love the way python does some stuff
[12-Nov-2009 16:44:30] <rmatte> like how easy it is to convert variable types using str() and int()
[12-Nov-2009 16:44:57] <rmatte> and I like how it uses indentation to determine contents of loops and stuff
[12-Nov-2009 16:45:09] <rmatte> a language that actually forces people to properly indent their code, genius
[12-Nov-2009 16:45:37] <rmatte> I've seen scripts that people have written with literally no indentation, drives me bonkers because it's impossible to read
[12-Nov-2009 16:45:55] <jrock2004> I love to indent my code
[12-Nov-2009 16:46:19] <rmatte> yeh, you pretty much have to if you want to write anything half useful
[12-Nov-2009 16:46:27] <rmatte> otherwise it's impossible to keep track while writing it
[12-Nov-2009 16:46:53] <rmatte> the one things about python is be prepared to use the spacebar lol
[12-Nov-2009 16:47:03] <rmatte> since the indentation is done in spaces
[12-Nov-2009 16:47:05] <rmatte> 4 per indent
[12-Nov-2009 16:47:32] <rmatte> tabs do work in some cases but spaces are best practice
[12-Nov-2009 16:47:48] <jrock2004> dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventDetailFromStatusOrHistory(e.evid)
[12-Nov-2009 16:47:59] <jrock2004> Did you get mosr of that from the developers guide
[12-Nov-2009 16:48:10] <rmatte> nope, picked it out of other code
[12-Nov-2009 16:48:11] <jrock2004> or is that all python stuff
[12-Nov-2009 16:48:24] <rmatte> that's a Zenoss specific function
[12-Nov-2009 16:49:19] <rmatte> you basically do evt = dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventDetailFromStatusOrHistory(evid) where evid is the event id of the event
[12-Nov-2009 16:49:30] <rmatte> and then from there you can use the usual evt.whatever that you'd use in a transform
[12-Nov-2009 16:50:17] <rmatte> the other script that took me a while to code is this: http://pastebin.com/f750073d8
[12-Nov-2009 16:50:27] <rmatte> duplicates the functionality of the availability report
[12-Nov-2009 16:50:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[12-Nov-2009 16:50:32] <rmatte> but as a stand-alone script
[12-Nov-2009 16:51:15] <jrock2004> Well time to go home
[12-Nov-2009 16:51:19] <jrock2004> see ya tomorrow
[12-Nov-2009 16:51:21] <rmatte> same here
[12-Nov-2009 16:51:23] <rmatte> cya guys
[12-Nov-2009 16:51:36] <jrock2004> or on ps3 :)
[12-Nov-2009 16:53:59] <rmatte> hmmm, actually, looks like I might have broken the script, wtf
[12-Nov-2009 16:54:08] <rmatte> eugh, guess I'm stuck here for a while longer
[12-Nov-2009 16:54:16] <Rocinante> Can anyone tell me why this does everything *except* changing the production state of the device? http://pastebin.ca/1668993
[12-Nov-2009 16:54:23] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Untitled - post number 1668993 (at pastebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 16:55:13] <Rocinante> That's in the event transform for an event, and everything except the dev.setProdState(300) works fine
[12-Nov-2009 16:56:48] <rmatte> Rocinante: just do dev.productionState = 300
[12-Nov-2009 16:56:59] <rmatte> you don't need to actually use a function to set that value
[12-Nov-2009 16:57:11] <rmatte> you're overcomplicating things :)
[12-Nov-2009 16:57:41] <Rocinante> That's what I thought, but somewhere on the forums I found someone else saying to use the setter :P
[12-Nov-2009 16:57:56] <rmatte> nah, try it the way I just said and I'm pretty sure it'll work
[12-Nov-2009 17:00:03] <Rocinante> Damn.. nope, that isn't working either.
[12-Nov-2009 17:02:23] MattD is now known as mdereus
[12-Nov-2009 17:02:53] <rmatte> ah, I didn't break the script, I just moved the script that it was calling on (stupid me)
[12-Nov-2009 17:03:10] <rmatte> hmmm, not working eh?
[12-Nov-2009 17:03:16] <rmatte> let me see if I can find something
[12-Nov-2009 17:04:01] <rmatte> oh, wait a minute
[12-Nov-2009 17:04:08] <rmatte> where are you setting dev from?
[12-Nov-2009 17:04:46] <rmatte> dev needs to actually be defined
[12-Nov-2009 17:04:59] <rmatte> one sec, let me add some stuff to your script...
[12-Nov-2009 17:05:50] <Rocinante> I thought 'dev' (or 'device') was defined if there's a device associated with an event
[12-Nov-2009 17:05:57] <rmatte> no
[12-Nov-2009 17:06:06] <rmatte> only evt is automatically defined
[12-Nov-2009 17:06:12] <rmatte> (this is a transform right?)
[12-Nov-2009 17:06:15] <Rocinante> Right
[12-Nov-2009 17:06:59] <rmatte> http://pastebin.ca/1669009
[12-Nov-2009 17:07:03] <rmatte> that's how you set it
[12-Nov-2009 17:07:06] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Untitled - post number 1669009 (at pastebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 17:07:48] <rmatte> but do dev.productionState = 300
[12-Nov-2009 17:07:52] <rmatte> instead of what's there now
[12-Nov-2009 17:08:52] <rmatte> http://pastebin.ca/1669012
[12-Nov-2009 17:08:54] <rmatte> like that
[12-Nov-2009 17:08:59] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Untitled - post number 1669012 (at pastebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 17:10:40] <Rocinante> http://pastebin.ca/1669015 <-- didn't like it very much
[12-Nov-2009 17:10:47] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Miscellany - post number 1669015 (at pastebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 17:12:27] <rmatte> hmmmm
[12-Nov-2009 17:12:38] <rmatte> where did you see that error?
[12-Nov-2009 17:14:01] <rmatte> ok, well try: http://pastebin.ca/1669015
[12-Nov-2009 17:14:10] <rmatte> maybe dev.setProdState will work better
[12-Nov-2009 17:14:11] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Miscellany - post number 1669015 (at pastebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 17:14:45] <rmatte> I took the top part of code from a functioning transform that I wrote one time
[12-Nov-2009 17:14:50] <rmatte> so I'd be surprised if that's the issue
[12-Nov-2009 17:15:09] <rmatte> unless they've really changed some stuff in Zenoss 2.5
[12-Nov-2009 17:15:19] <rmatte> (I assume you're using 2.5?)
[12-Nov-2009 17:15:48] <Rocinante> Yes, just upgraded last night
[12-Nov-2009 17:16:11] <Rocinante> And I still had dev.SetProdState before I saw you mention to change that back to productionState = 300
[12-Nov-2009 17:16:16] <Rocinante> So neither works :<
[12-Nov-2009 17:16:22] <rmatte> here's the one that I wrote: http://pastebin.ca/1669025
[12-Nov-2009 17:16:25] <rmatte> and it worked perfectly fine
[12-Nov-2009 17:16:28] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Something - post number 1669025 (at pastebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 17:19:27] <rmatte> that traceback is not very helpful lol
[12-Nov-2009 17:19:41] <rmatte> it seems to be complaing about this line: from Products.ZenUtils.ZenScriptBase import ZenScriptBase
[12-Nov-2009 17:19:51] <Rocinante> That was from zenhub.log BTW
[12-Nov-2009 17:19:57] <rmatte> ah
[12-Nov-2009 17:20:56] <rmatte> not sure, what time is it where you are right now?
[12-Nov-2009 17:20:56] <Rocinante> I just changed it to this and the evt.summary changed to 'foo', so the test worked.. but the set still failed: http://pastebin.ca/1669029
[12-Nov-2009 17:21:01] <Rocinante> 18:20
[12-Nov-2009 17:21:03] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Miscellany - post number 1669029 (at pastebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 17:21:23] <rmatte> ok, you should probably come back tomorrow around noon, that's when it's most active
[12-Nov-2009 17:21:35] <rmatte> I'm basically on my way out the door
[12-Nov-2009 17:21:39] <rmatte> you live in Canada?
[12-Nov-2009 17:21:55] <Rocinante> Eastern Pennsylvania
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:06] <rmatte> ah, was wondering why you were using pastebin.ca lol
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:12] <rmatte> since it's a canadian site
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:15] <rmatte> (just curious)
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:16] <rmatte> :)
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:17] <Rocinante> Shorter to type :>
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:20] <rmatte> haha
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:22] <rmatte> nice
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:41] <Rocinante> Alright, I'll idle then and ask again tomorrow. Thanks for the help!
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:49] <rmatte> np
[12-Nov-2009 17:23:31] <rmatte> ah, interesting that the import lines are no longer required
[12-Nov-2009 17:24:44] <rmatte> try box.setProdState() ?
[12-Nov-2009 17:24:58] <rmatte> box.setProdState(300)
[12-Nov-2009 17:25:01] <rmatte> maybe that'll work
[12-Nov-2009 17:25:14] <rmatte> because it seemed to be complaing about the import, but I guess they import by default now
[12-Nov-2009 17:26:27] <Rocinante> Nope, still didn't get it.
[12-Nov-2009 17:27:28] <rmatte> ah, oh well
[12-Nov-2009 17:27:29] <Rocinante> Oh well.. dinner time anyway :>
[12-Nov-2009 17:27:33] <rmatte> hehe
[12-Nov-2009 17:27:34] <rmatte> later
[12-Nov-2009 18:31:06] <kisielk> hm, how can I delete a bad item in the Process hierarchy?
[12-Nov-2009 18:34:56] <kisielk> message/41976#41976
[12-Nov-2009 18:34:58] <kisielk> there's a more detailed description
[12-Nov-2009 18:35:00] <kisielk> help is appreciated
[12-Nov-2009 18:35:03] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Bad items in Processes hierarchy (at community.zenoss.org)
[12-Nov-2009 18:54:14] <jimbo22> anyone familiar with setting up a customer ip service to be monitored? I'd like to begin monitoring my memcache servers but whenever I try to create an ip service it creates it on the default port of 0
[12-Nov-2009 20:39:40] <zuez> I'm surprised there hasn't been an iPhone client built yet for zenoss
[12-Nov-2009 21:56:34] <zuez> how does zEventClearClasses work? not much documentation on it
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[13-Nov-2009 06:30:32] <Apocalipse> hi people...
[13-Nov-2009 06:31:01] <Apocalipse> i am trying to setting up an email account... i am getting this error
[13-Nov-2009 06:31:04] <Apocalipse> Type: TypeError
[13-Nov-2009 06:31:04] <Apocalipse> Value: ('Could not adapt', <DataRoot at /zport/dmd>, <InterfaceClass Products.ZenWidgets.interfaces.IMessageSender>)
[13-Nov-2009 07:18:39] <skipzoid> knock knock - anyone here ?
[13-Nov-2009 09:27:10] <rmatte> good morning all
[13-Nov-2009 09:31:13] <jrock2004> Good morning
[13-Nov-2009 09:31:59] <rmatte> hey
[13-Nov-2009 09:35:55] <rmatte> man, they really need to just make a button in Zenoss for restoring ZenPacks to development mode
[13-Nov-2009 09:36:00] <rmatte> it would be so easy to code
[13-Nov-2009 09:44:09] <chudler> since it is so easy why dont you do it and submit a patch?
[13-Nov-2009 10:14:18] * jrock2004 is wondering if there is a zenpack for cisco call managers
[13-Nov-2009 10:28:39] <rmatte> not that I'm aware of
[13-Nov-2009 10:28:50] <rmatte> there might be an enterprise one, but definitely not for core
[13-Nov-2009 10:29:20] <jrock2004> cool
[13-Nov-2009 10:29:59] <chudler> I dont know of one in enterprise either. It is something that I could put to use though
[13-Nov-2009 10:38:36] <jrock2004> Is there a way that you could have zenoss monitor a particular folder and if it is not mounted generate an error?
[13-Nov-2009 10:40:29] <jrock2004> Forget I asked that
[13-Nov-2009 10:43:12] <rmatte> that's pretty easy to do lol
[13-Nov-2009 11:08:53] <rmatte> eugh, why can't anything ever just be easy with coding? I'm tried implementing logging in to my script using the logging library but that didn't work at all, so now I'm trying to do it via open and write
[13-Nov-2009 11:09:12] <rmatte> but it's not working even though it should be according to tests that I've run
[13-Nov-2009 11:19:50] <rmatte> aha, finally got it working
[13-Nov-2009 11:46:51] <jrock2004> Ok I am getting this debug events about bad oid. I checked my templates and all that I have binded is the type device one and rmatte your snmp template. I know the issues is not template related
[13-Nov-2009 11:47:07] <jrock2004> But I cannot find how to fix this issue
[13-Nov-2009 11:47:44] <rmatte> bad OID for what?
[13-Nov-2009 11:47:47] <rmatte> for starters
[13-Nov-2009 11:47:53] <jrock2004> The event class that these errors belong too is /Perf/Snmp
[13-Nov-2009 11:48:01] <rmatte> that's fine
[13-Nov-2009 11:48:05] <rmatte> for what snmp values?
[13-Nov-2009 11:48:13] <jrock2004> Error reading value for "cpuPercentProcessorTime"
[13-Nov-2009 11:48:31] <rmatte> that's because you still have the old windows informant template bound to that device
[13-Nov-2009 11:48:32] <jrock2004> memoryAvaliableKBytes
[13-Nov-2009 11:48:51] <rmatte> those are values from the windows informant template
[13-Nov-2009 11:49:06] <rmatte> erm, snmp-informant
[13-Nov-2009 11:49:07] <rmatte> rather
[13-Nov-2009 11:50:02] <jrock2004> http://imagebin.ca/view/oFh0-u.html
[13-Nov-2009 11:50:12] <adytum-bot> Title: Screen shot 2009-11-13 at 12.49.23 PM.png (at imagebin.ca)
[13-Nov-2009 11:51:18] <jrock2004> If I am not crazy I think the SNMPDevice template is the one from your addon. I dont think that is snmp-informant
[13-Nov-2009 11:51:36] <rmatte> that's right, it is
[13-Nov-2009 11:51:47] <rmatte> and the "Device" one is the snmp-informant template
[13-Nov-2009 11:52:02] <jrock2004> oh dam
[13-Nov-2009 11:52:10] <rmatte> read the description of it lol
[13-Nov-2009 11:52:31] <jrock2004> there I g oagain
[13-Nov-2009 11:58:15] <RoundQube> is there a quick change to have Zenoss graph actually used memory rather than allocated? Or is this a lengthy process if even possible?
[13-Nov-2009 12:02:05] <jrock2004> Its not too hard
[13-Nov-2009 12:02:52] <jrock2004> Do you want a seperate graph for this or add it to an exisintg one
[13-Nov-2009 12:03:25] <RoundQube> jrock2004 seperate graph would be ideal then i can compare utilization vs actual used
[13-Nov-2009 12:04:10] <jrock2004> ok so go into the template of the class you want like mine is in /Server/Linux
[13-Nov-2009 12:04:37] <RoundQube> ok
[13-Nov-2009 12:04:48] <jrock2004> Add a new graph to that template
[13-Nov-2009 12:05:11] <RoundQube> add a template or click on a specific template first?
[13-Nov-2009 12:05:22] <jrock2004> click on the specific template
[13-Nov-2009 12:05:43] <RoundQube> ok i need to find the name first, one sec plz
[13-Nov-2009 12:06:27] <jrock2004> Did you want the avail memory or the used one
[13-Nov-2009 12:06:41] <RoundQube> used
[13-Nov-2009 12:07:14] <jrock2004> I believed you would want to use the graph point for memBuffer and memCached
[13-Nov-2009 12:08:04] <jrock2004> I am checking that now to be sure
[13-Nov-2009 12:08:39] <RoundQube> i am going into the Net-SNMP template for Linux devices (/Devices/Server/Linux) then template tab and clicking "Device"
[13-Nov-2009 12:09:00] <RoundQube> i select "Add Graph"?
[13-Nov-2009 12:09:09] <jrock2004> Then name the graph
[13-Nov-2009 12:09:47] <RoundQube> done
[13-Nov-2009 12:09:56] <jrock2004> Then you need to add the graph points to them
[13-Nov-2009 12:10:13] <RoundQube> so i add memBuffer and memCached?
[13-Nov-2009 12:10:38] <jrock2004> Yes
[13-Nov-2009 12:11:02] <jrock2004> I wanted to double check to make sure those mean for avaliable
[13-Nov-2009 12:11:05] <jrock2004> I could be mistaken
[13-Nov-2009 12:11:12] <RoundQube> those are already datapoints for my Memory Utilization graphs so its the same thing
[13-Nov-2009 12:11:39] <jrock2004> Yeah I was mistaken
[13-Nov-2009 12:12:43] <jrock2004> I am working on make a data source now
[13-Nov-2009 12:12:58] <RoundQube> thanks
[13-Nov-2009 12:16:26] <zuez> the zenping model is intriguing, using routes to optimize echo requests
[13-Nov-2009 12:16:47] <zuez> i'm still not sure how it's doing that if there isn't an agent distributed on different routers
[13-Nov-2009 12:23:37] <zuez> hey just curious, I'm running 2.5, and reading the 2.5 administration, and here it's saying in order to toggle the ping cycle time, I have to go to 'Monitors' from the left navigation menu
[13-Nov-2009 12:23:45] <zuez> and I don't have a 'Monitors' option on my left navigation menu
[13-Nov-2009 12:26:01] <rmatte> zuez: it probably means "Collectors"
[13-Nov-2009 12:26:17] <zuez> there we go, thanks rmatte
[13-Nov-2009 12:26:24] <rmatte> zuez: like I said, the 2.5 admin guide is still flawed
[13-Nov-2009 12:26:25] <rmatte> lol
[13-Nov-2009 12:26:33] <zuez> yeah I noticed, np
[13-Nov-2009 12:26:39] <zuez> just doing my part in reading them
[13-Nov-2009 12:28:00] <rmatte> cool
[13-Nov-2009 12:29:24] <jrock2004> RoundQube: Ok so in snmp land there is an UCD-SNMP-MIB::memAvailReal.0 = INTEGER: 5661940 kB
[13-Nov-2009 12:29:49] <jrock2004> I just need to figure it out its oid
[13-Nov-2009 12:29:57] <RoundQube> jrock2004 oh nice
[13-Nov-2009 12:30:07] <jrock2004> once that is done you can add that as a datasource then you can add it to your graph
[13-Nov-2009 12:30:14] <RoundQube> GetIf is a MIB browser
[13-Nov-2009 12:30:44] <RoundQube> but I see a data point called memAvailReal in my graph, its still showing 95% usage so that doesn't appear to "real" to me :)
[13-Nov-2009 12:30:58] <RoundQube> let me find the OID and we'll see if it matches what you find
[13-Nov-2009 12:31:27] <RoundQube> 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.4.6.0
[13-Nov-2009 12:32:24] <jrock2004> UCD-SNMP-MIB::memTotalFree.0 = INTEGER: 49644728 kB
[13-Nov-2009 12:32:36] <jrock2004> sorry highlighted wrong line :)
[13-Nov-2009 12:32:45] <RoundQube> ahh cool, need that one
[13-Nov-2009 12:33:02] <jrock2004> Need to find the oid for that one
[13-Nov-2009 12:33:24] <RoundQube> .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.4.11
[13-Nov-2009 12:35:46] <jrock2004> ok so in the device template add a data source
[13-Nov-2009 12:36:12] <jrock2004> select snmp and put in the oid 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.4.11
[13-Nov-2009 12:37:30] <jrock2004> Then go into your graph that you created earlier and add that datasource.
[13-Nov-2009 12:37:45] <jrock2004> RoundQube: how did you find that oid?
[13-Nov-2009 12:38:08] <RoundQube> jrock2004 googled
[13-Nov-2009 12:38:15] <jrock2004> lol
[13-Nov-2009 12:38:32] <RoundQube> just searched for that MIB and then entered OID into the search string
[13-Nov-2009 12:38:38] <RoundQube> http://net-snmp.sourceforge.net/docs/mibs/ucdavis.html#memTotalFree
[13-Nov-2009 12:38:57] <adytum-bot> Title: Net-SNMP (at net-snmp.sourceforge.net)
[13-Nov-2009 12:39:22] <jrock2004> Thanks
[13-Nov-2009 12:43:47] <cgibbons> speaking of snmp, ifAdminStatus versus ifOperStatus... from a user perspective, what's supposed to be the difference?
[13-Nov-2009 12:50:21] <jrock2004> RoundQube: Did that help at all?
[13-Nov-2009 12:51:03] <RoundQube> jrock2004 yup, forgot to thank you... how rude of me. Thank you. I'm well on my way to figuring this out.
[13-Nov-2009 12:51:41] <jrock2004> RoundQube: I let you in on a secret I had to forge my way thru some of that myselk. lol
[13-Nov-2009 12:52:14] <RoundQube> hehe, best way to learn i guess!
[13-Nov-2009 12:52:26] <rmatte> cgibbons: ifAdminStatus is whether or not you have configured the port to be down. ifOperStatus is whether or not the port's status is down
[13-Nov-2009 12:52:47] <rmatte> cgibbons: it basically allows you to have a sense at a glimpse, whether or not the port is down deliberately
[13-Nov-2009 12:52:56] <cgibbons> okie dokie, makes sense. hrm
[13-Nov-2009 12:57:19] * ErikRose is frustrated that every link to zenoss documentation, like http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/zenoss-guide/2.1.1/ch22s01.html, is now being redirected to the front page of the forums.
[13-Nov-2009 12:57:42] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: Forums (at www.zenoss.com)
[13-Nov-2009 12:58:12] <RoundQube> community/documentation/official_documentation/zenoss-guide/2.5.0
[13-Nov-2009 12:58:19] <RoundQube> you're on the wrong page, go to that one ^
[13-Nov-2009 12:58:28] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: 2.5.0 (at community.zenoss.org)
[13-Nov-2009 13:12:00] <zuez> hmmm, the manager doesn't like it when i add itself as a device?
[13-Nov-2009 13:12:37] <zuez> getting sendto error Host foo and foo are both using ip 1.2.3.4
[13-Nov-2009 13:18:39] <RoundQube> you're welcome ErikRose hehe
[13-Nov-2009 13:27:58] <gwb2351> hmmm... upgraded to 2.4.5
[13-Nov-2009 13:28:10] <gwb2351> getting hit with this bug (fixed): http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5494
[13-Nov-2009 13:28:29] <gwb2351> zenoss monitoring devices are on RFC 1918 space, can't use zenpatch. where do I download it directly?
[13-Nov-2009 13:36:27] <kobalt> gwb2351: well you can either edit the files by hand (not recomended if you dont know what your doing) or you can download the file and put it in the $ZENHOME/Products folder then run zenpatch
[13-Nov-2009 13:48:15] <gwb2351> where is the file stored for download?
[13-Nov-2009 13:52:55] <jrock2004> With WMI for the username and password. Does it read the zWinUser and zWinPass
[13-Nov-2009 13:52:56] <jrock2004> ?
[13-Nov-2009 13:53:17] <cgibbons> zWinUser and zWinPassword
[13-Nov-2009 13:59:09] <gheorghe> hello, is there an easy way to include an snmp trap's description from the MIB in one of the event's fields, and later in the email notification, or do I have to use an event transform for that?
[13-Nov-2009 14:00:09] <gheorghe> core 2.5, btw
[13-Nov-2009 14:02:16] <kobalt> gwb2351: at the bottom of the page for the patch (click on the patch number)
[13-Nov-2009 14:05:42] <jrock2004> cgibbons: Thanks
[13-Nov-2009 14:12:02] <zuez> This is rather confusing: From the Services Overview page, in the Services text field, enter the name of the service you want to monitor.
[13-Nov-2009 14:12:24] <zuez> I guess it means the search text field
[13-Nov-2009 14:12:39] <zuez> although there's two of them on this page.
[13-Nov-2009 14:17:45] <Rocinante> So, I mentioned this last night, but while rmatte was a big help we weren't able to figure out what's going on. In 2.5.0, I have this event transformation: http://pastebin.ca/1670347
[13-Nov-2009 14:17:52] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Miscellany - post number 1670347 (at pastebin.ca)
[13-Nov-2009 14:17:56] <Rocinante> But I can't get the production state to change, no matter what I do
[13-Nov-2009 14:20:50] <chudler> ahem, here's a silly question. What's a quick way to determine the zenoss version number when zenoss is not running?
[13-Nov-2009 14:23:05] <rmatte> chudler: cat $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/ZVersion.py
[13-Nov-2009 14:23:24] <chudler> muchos!
[13-Nov-2009 14:23:28] <rmatte> :)
[13-Nov-2009 14:25:29] <gwb2351> is there a way (other than looking in the products subdir) to tell what patches have been applied to the version?
[13-Nov-2009 14:26:15] <cgibbons> nope
[13-Nov-2009 14:28:01] <chemist> evening
[13-Nov-2009 14:28:41] <chemist> is there a way of getting installed sw on linux machines in the way it reports win machines?
[13-Nov-2009 14:28:56] <jrock2004> chemist: What distro?
[13-Nov-2009 14:29:13] <chemist> mainly centOS and Fedora
[13-Nov-2009 14:29:18] <chemist> some debian too
[13-Nov-2009 14:29:31] <chemist> (our devs are very undecided :) )
[13-Nov-2009 14:29:47] <zenethian> no SuSE? :P
[13-Nov-2009 14:29:53] <zenethian> why not throw some Gentoo in there too.
[13-Nov-2009 14:29:59] <jrock2004> well I know there is a zenpack for ubuntu
[13-Nov-2009 14:30:02] <gwb2351> the linux boxes I have (redhat EL) have information under the "software" tab when using the SSH bits
[13-Nov-2009 14:31:09] <zenethian> in my limited experience thus far, when using ssh it seems to populate the software tab for Linux, but that may be for specific distros only. (also take everything I say with a grain or two of salt)
[13-Nov-2009 14:31:16] <chemist> gwb2351: you mean using the /Server/SSH/Linux templates?
[13-Nov-2009 14:31:24] <gwb2351> yes
[13-Nov-2009 14:31:35] <chemist> I'll give it a go
[13-Nov-2009 14:31:38] <gwb2351> it shows stuff from dag, ibm, mysql, redhat, and our satellite server channels
[13-Nov-2009 14:32:08] <zenethian> I need a server with HBO.
[13-Nov-2009 14:33:06] <gwb2351> btw, thanks rmatte for setting up the page with post-2.4.5 patchset recc
[13-Nov-2009 14:33:24] <chemist> gwb2351: is your ssh account just a standard account? as in not root?
[13-Nov-2009 14:35:28] <gwb2351> correct, keys setup for the zenoss user/directory
[13-Nov-2009 14:35:51] <chemist> thnks
[13-Nov-2009 14:35:51] <gwb2351> (see the zproperties bits for the device)
[13-Nov-2009 14:39:47] <rmatte> chemist: there are ZenPacks for doing that
[13-Nov-2009 14:40:05] <rmatte> chemist: Fedora Linux ZenPack, Ubuntu Linux ZenPack, etc...
[13-Nov-2009 14:40:27] <MACscr> been doing a lot of googling lately about monitoring solutions and it appears that zope is a pretty common complaint against zenoss
[13-Nov-2009 14:40:29] <rmatte> chemist: just pick the right ones (the fedora one will work with CentOS, and the Ubuntu one should work with Debian)
[13-Nov-2009 14:40:42] <chemist> rmatte: cool, thanks
[13-Nov-2009 14:40:50] <rmatte> MACscr: yeh, but when the entire product is built around it, it's not really that easy to switch
[13-Nov-2009 14:41:06] <rmatte> MACscr: plus, there was nothing else around back when they started coding Zenoss
[13-Nov-2009 14:41:32] <rmatte> MACscr: and quite honestly, I don't find it utterly horrifying, I'm starting to get used to it
[13-Nov-2009 14:44:48] <MACscr> oh, im not saying it would be easy, just that it should be done or at least highly considered because right now zenoss is just shooting itself in the foot by clients not considering the product because of zope, which in turns means less revenue, etc
[13-Nov-2009 14:45:29] <cgibbons> why would a user care if it uses Zope or some other random app server?
[13-Nov-2009 14:47:05] <rmatte> MACscr: I haven't seen anyone not consider the product just because it uses zope
[13-Nov-2009 14:47:19] <MACscr> rmatte: you might want to do some googling then =P
[13-Nov-2009 14:47:21] <rmatte> MACscr: you'd have to be stupid not to consider Zenoss, it does what it does very well
[13-Nov-2009 14:47:30] <rmatte> MACscr: regardless of the database it uses
[13-Nov-2009 14:51:07] <gheorghe> did some more searching, it looks like it's gonna be complicated to get the trap descriptions from the dmd, is there really nothing ootb or some zenpack to get the trap description in one event field?
[13-Nov-2009 14:52:17] <gheorghe> the trap names get translated, but the description is really necessary
[13-Nov-2009 14:52:37] <rmatte> gheorghe: what do you mean by the "description"?
[13-Nov-2009 14:53:01] <rmatte> gheorghe: it sounds like you need to read up on authoring event transforms
[13-Nov-2009 14:53:04] <gheorghe> well, in the snmp mib, every trap has a description
[13-Nov-2009 14:53:22] <gheorghe> I don't know exactly how standard it is
[13-Nov-2009 14:53:25] <rmatte> right, hence why you need to author event transforms to display them the way you want them to be displayed
[13-Nov-2009 14:54:11] <rmatte> there are infinite possible traps that could come in, so there's no pre-done package
[13-Nov-2009 14:54:18] <rmatte> you're supposed to tune your install yourself
[13-Nov-2009 14:54:33] <gheorghe> I see
[13-Nov-2009 14:55:26] <gheorghe> so, if I can see that information in the zenoss gui, then I should be able to get it through zendmd?
[13-Nov-2009 14:55:48] <rmatte> oh, you want to access the info from an event through zendmd?
[13-Nov-2009 14:56:20] <gheorghe> no, I want to create a new field in the event
[13-Nov-2009 14:56:32] <rmatte> hunh?
[13-Nov-2009 14:56:32] <gheorghe> with data from the mib
[13-Nov-2009 14:56:36] <rmatte> ok, you just took a total 180
[13-Nov-2009 14:57:03] <rmatte> that's what I'm telling you, you need to read up on event transforms
[13-Nov-2009 14:57:07] <rmatte> you don't need to make a new field
[13-Nov-2009 14:57:19] <rmatte> what you do is for each type of trap you write a little 3 to 5 line python script
[13-Nov-2009 14:57:40] <rmatte> which basically gathers the details of the traps and automatically formats the event summary using that data
[13-Nov-2009 14:57:45] <rmatte> so instead of snmp trap bleh
[13-Nov-2009 14:58:02] <rmatte> you'd get: "Alert: bleh changed to 10"
[13-Nov-2009 14:58:04] <rmatte> or whatever
[13-Nov-2009 14:58:36] <rmatte> let me give you an example...
[13-Nov-2009 14:58:39] <gheorghe> yes, so where can I find information on how to get info from snmp mib in a transform?
[13-Nov-2009 14:58:47] <gheorghe> I know roughly what a transform is
[13-Nov-2009 14:58:59] <gheorghe> I've seen some examples
[13-Nov-2009 14:58:59] <rmatte> you know how to view event details right?
[13-Nov-2009 14:59:14] <gheorghe> click on the button? :)
[13-Nov-2009 14:59:42] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Nov-2009 14:59:46] <rmatte> and then there's a details tab
[13-Nov-2009 14:59:47] <rmatte> for traps
[13-Nov-2009 14:59:52] <rmatte> with the names of the properties
[13-Nov-2009 15:00:09] <gheorghe> well yes
[13-Nov-2009 15:00:19] <gheorghe> and I want to add a new detail
[13-Nov-2009 15:00:32] <gheorghe> or modify one of those with the description from the mib
[13-Nov-2009 15:01:46] <zuez> Is it possible to bind a Process class to a device class?
[13-Nov-2009 15:01:59] <zuez> like if I want /device/server to get monitored by a class of processes i setup
[13-Nov-2009 15:07:42] <gheorghe> rmatte: thanks for the help so far
[13-Nov-2009 15:07:51] <chemist> should the ubuntu zenpack display the installed sw inmediately after remodelling?
[13-Nov-2009 15:07:57] <gheorghe> can you point me to some more documentation
[13-Nov-2009 15:08:30] <gheorghe> on how I can access stuff in the dmd, I think, so I can access the mib description
[13-Nov-2009 15:08:35] <chemist> or any of the distro specific zenpacks for that matter
[13-Nov-2009 15:09:06] <gheorghe> most transform examples seem to concentrate on getting info from events
[13-Nov-2009 15:09:35] <gheorghe> but what I'm looking for is not in the event itself, but in the mib
[13-Nov-2009 15:14:19] <jrock2004_> chemist: Yes
[13-Nov-2009 15:15:05] <rmatte> gheorghe: sorry, had to step away for a bit...
[13-Nov-2009 15:15:13] <gheorghe> no problem
[13-Nov-2009 15:15:30] <jrock2004_> chemist: Did you create Server/SSH/Linux/Ubuntu
[13-Nov-2009 15:15:57] <rmatte> gheorghe: here's an example of a trap: http://pastebin.com/m30b80d3a
[13-Nov-2009 15:16:07] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[13-Nov-2009 15:16:13] <rmatte> gheorghe: I'm using the getattr function at the top to grab the different Mib properties that I want to use
[13-Nov-2009 15:16:47] jrock2004_ is now known as jrock2004
[13-Nov-2009 15:16:58] <rmatte> gheorghe: then if the msgtext variable (which I grabbed from clogHistMsgText) equals "decrypt: mac verify failed" I'm dropping the event
[13-Nov-2009 15:17:48] <rmatte> and actually, that second re.match should be re.search (I wrote this a long time ago when I wasn't great at python)
[13-Nov-2009 15:18:18] <chemist> jrock2004: yes, and I amended zproperties
[13-Nov-2009 15:18:22] <gheorghe> I see
[13-Nov-2009 15:18:23] <rmatte> then it adjusts the severity depending on the severity taken from the mib properties
[13-Nov-2009 15:18:34] <rmatte> since cisco does their severities opposite to how zenoss does them
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:03] <rmatte> then it changes the component of the event to SYSLOG-%s, where %s is the severity
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:10] <gheorghe> but that accesses data from the event itself, as far as I understand it
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:26] <gheorghe> I mean, it accesses data got from the snmp query
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:31] <chemist> zcommandPassword and zCommandUsername?
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:38] <rmatte> it accessed data gotten from the snmp trap
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:42] <rmatte> accesses*
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:46] <gheorghe> yes
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:53] <gheorghe> my data is not in the snmp trap
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:54] <chemist> I'm not using keys atm
[13-Nov-2009 15:20:01] <rmatte> gheorghe: where is it then?
[13-Nov-2009 15:20:08] <gheorghe> in the mib :)
[13-Nov-2009 15:20:17] <rmatte> gheorghe: hunh?
[13-Nov-2009 15:20:26] <gheorghe> I imported the mib from the vendor
[13-Nov-2009 15:20:37] <jrock2004> I am assuming you have the Linux monitor and the Linux monitor addon?
[13-Nov-2009 15:20:45] <gheorghe> and for each snmp trap, it has a name, description, severity and other stuff
[13-Nov-2009 15:20:47] <chemist> yes
[13-Nov-2009 15:21:05] <rmatte> gheorghe: I see, so you actually want the vendor's description of the Mib to show up in the event?
[13-Nov-2009 15:21:11] <gheorghe> yes
[13-Nov-2009 15:21:16] <rmatte> gheorghe: I don't think that's possible
[13-Nov-2009 15:21:24] <rmatte> gheorghe: and I really don't see the value in that
[13-Nov-2009 15:21:26] <jrock2004> I am trying to remember, is there a template for it?
[13-Nov-2009 15:21:28] <gheorghe> zenoss translates the name and I think some other stuff by default
[13-Nov-2009 15:21:44] <rmatte> gheorghe: if you've properly transformed your events based on the Mib descriptions then you won't need them
[13-Nov-2009 15:22:15] <rmatte> gheorghe: the descriptions are just sort of a rough description of why the traps are coming in
[13-Nov-2009 15:22:33] <rmatte> gheorghe: which you can do in a transform anyways, just make the event summary for descriptive
[13-Nov-2009 15:22:42] <rmatte> s/for/more
[13-Nov-2009 15:22:49] <jrock2004> chemist: Let me install that zenpack again
[13-Nov-2009 15:23:04] <chemist> thanks, can't see any templates
[13-Nov-2009 15:23:41] <gheorghe> in my case, the descriptions are pretty good, and it would be useful to know immediately what that alert means instead of looking it up yourself in the mib
[13-Nov-2009 15:24:27] <gheorghe> but zenoss doesen't include them in the event details by default
[13-Nov-2009 15:25:00] <rmatte> gheorghe: well, you'd have to figure out what function can be called to get the description for a particular Mib and then somehow implement it in to a Transform that's applied globally. But somehow I doubt that would be easy, and I'm not sure it would be possible
[13-Nov-2009 15:25:40] <rmatte> gheorghe: that's because the description for a lot of Mibs is useless
[13-Nov-2009 15:26:07] <jrock2004> chemist: did you add the collector plugins?
[13-Nov-2009 15:26:30] <chemist> I'm sure I did
[13-Nov-2009 15:26:33] <chemist> let me check
[13-Nov-2009 15:26:38] <jrock2004> I would check that
[13-Nov-2009 15:26:40] <rmatte> gheorghe: it's really just development work that needs to be done, brush up on your python and mess around in zendmd
[13-Nov-2009 15:27:43] <chemist> jrock2004: yes,all the zenoss.cmd.linux.... plugins are there
[13-Nov-2009 15:27:47] <gheorghe> yeah, I guess so, in this case, the traps signal some error in an application, the name is somewhat descriptive, but not enough, and you don't want to waste time searching through the mib one the application is about to go down :)
[13-Nov-2009 15:28:24] <gheorghe> rmatte: thanks for all the help, I'll see if I can get something from zendmd
[13-Nov-2009 15:28:40] <rmatte> np
[13-Nov-2009 15:29:04] <jrock2004> chemist: Do you have zenoss.cmd.linux.ubuntu_aptitude there cause I added that and I am getting my software list
[13-Nov-2009 15:29:12] <chemist> yes I do
[13-Nov-2009 15:29:39] <jrock2004> when you model the device does it show any errors?
[13-Nov-2009 15:30:57] <chemist> jrock2004: no, give me a sec, I'll pastebin what I get
[13-Nov-2009 15:31:36] <jrock2004> k
[13-Nov-2009 15:31:48] <chemist> http://pastebin.ca/1670469
[13-Nov-2009 15:31:55] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Anonymous - post number 1670469 (at pastebin.ca)
[13-Nov-2009 15:32:23] <jrock2004> There is no plugins set
[13-Nov-2009 15:32:42] <jrock2004> could you do a screen shot of your collectorplugins for thi device
[13-Nov-2009 15:32:51] <jrock2004> you can post it to imagebin.ca
[13-Nov-2009 15:32:57] <chemist> one sec
[13-Nov-2009 15:34:35] <jrock2004> Also since you are not using snmp do you have the ssh username and password set
[13-Nov-2009 15:34:57] <chemist> zcommandPassword and zCommandUsername?
[13-Nov-2009 15:35:10] <jrock2004> zCommandUsername and zCommandPassword, yes
[13-Nov-2009 15:35:11] <ErikRose_> After upgrading from 2.3.x to 2.4.5, zenping, zensyslog, and zentrap won't start. Nothing in the logs. Has anyone else run into this?
[13-Nov-2009 15:35:18] <chemist> yes I do
[13-Nov-2009 15:35:32] <ErikRose_> Even cranking the log level to Debug shows nothing.
[13-Nov-2009 15:36:05] <jrock2004> ok then, lets see a show of the collector plugins for the device that has Ubuntu installed
[13-Nov-2009 15:37:02] <chemist> http://imagebin.ca/view/Tz7GrG.html
[13-Nov-2009 15:37:12] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss.JPG (at imagebin.ca)
[13-Nov-2009 15:38:42] <jrock2004> hmm it is funny cause when you model a device it should show the plugins it used. Yours does not. http://pastebin.ca/1670480
[13-Nov-2009 15:38:49] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Something - post number 1670480 (at pastebin.ca)
[13-Nov-2009 15:39:17] <jrock2004> That is a copy of my model device. See how it has plugins:
[13-Nov-2009 15:39:38] <chemist> yes
[13-Nov-2009 15:40:05] <jrock2004> Does that device has any events on it?
[13-Nov-2009 15:40:06] <chemist> it's like what I see when I model an snmp device
[13-Nov-2009 15:40:44] <jrock2004> What version of Zenoss you using?
[13-Nov-2009 15:40:50] <chemist> 2.5
[13-Nov-2009 15:41:42] <jrock2004> So does that device have any events generated on it?
[13-Nov-2009 15:41:46] <chemist> no
[13-Nov-2009 15:42:19] <jrock2004> in the zProperties what is the zCommandProtocol set too
[13-Nov-2009 15:42:38] <chemist> ssh
[13-Nov-2009 15:43:22] <chemist> I haven't restarted zenoss since I installed te plugins, IIRC
[13-Nov-2009 15:44:07] <jrock2004> I would restart zenoss
[13-Nov-2009 15:44:21] <jrock2004> if that does not work try clicking on the down arrow and go to more. then click lock. then click on unlock. then remodel the device
[13-Nov-2009 15:47:38] <chemist> aha, after a restart I'm getting errors, looking more promising :)
[13-Nov-2009 15:47:45] <chemist> ssh login errors
[13-Nov-2009 15:48:19] <jrock2004> good
[13-Nov-2009 15:49:47] <zuez> noob question, but what template do I need to bind to a device so it graphs bandwidth passing through an interface?
[13-Nov-2009 15:50:31] <chemist> ok, I think the ubuntuaptitude collector might need modding for debian
[13-Nov-2009 15:51:02] <jrock2004> Are you getting further now?
[13-Nov-2009 15:51:31] <chemist> yes, I can model the device correctly (apart from the sw bit)
[13-Nov-2009 15:52:30] <chemist> http://pastebin.ca/1670515
[13-Nov-2009 15:52:33] <jrock2004> Well that Ubuntu addon might specifically be for ubuntu
[13-Nov-2009 15:52:37] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Mine - post number 1670515 (at pastebin.ca)
[13-Nov-2009 15:53:41] <jrock2004> If you go into settings then click on zenpacks tab do you see the ubuntu zenpack there?
[13-Nov-2009 15:54:35] <zuez> ethernetCsmacd this handles performance monitoring for a network interface?
[13-Nov-2009 15:55:36] <chemist> jrock2004: yes it is, just going on rmatte's suggestion that it should work with debian
[13-Nov-2009 15:55:58] <chemist> I'm sure I can make it work with debian :)
[13-Nov-2009 15:56:10] <chemist> I'll have a good go at it anyhow
[13-Nov-2009 15:56:27] <jrock2004> I would check to make sure the 3 zenpacks are installed
[13-Nov-2009 15:56:45] <jrock2004> linux, linux addon
[13-Nov-2009 15:56:53] <chemist> yes, all 3
[13-Nov-2009 15:57:07] <jrock2004> Hmm then not sure why you are getting those errors then
[13-Nov-2009 15:59:03] <chemist> do you know if I cna use ssh and snmp concurretly?
[13-Nov-2009 15:59:14] <jrock2004> yes sir you can
[13-Nov-2009 15:59:27] <chemist> great !!
[13-Nov-2009 16:00:03] <chemist> just set zSnmpMonitorIgnore to flase?
[13-Nov-2009 16:00:17] <chemist> *false
[13-Nov-2009 16:00:23] <jrock2004> yep then add the snmp collector plugins and remodel
[13-Nov-2009 16:00:56] <chemist> cool, I'm so glad my colleague and me talked the team round to zenoss
[13-Nov-2009 16:01:20] <chemist> (the rest wanted to use nagios)
[13-Nov-2009 16:01:23] <jrock2004> I just switched like 2 weeks ago
[13-Nov-2009 16:01:36] <jrock2004> I used nagios
[13-Nov-2009 16:01:49] <jrock2004> Zenoss 100% better
[13-Nov-2009 16:02:12] <chemist> are you using any nagios plugins with it?
[13-Nov-2009 16:02:22] <jrock2004> I still have nagios running and I got an alert that something happen via zenoss and nagios did not even know it yet
[13-Nov-2009 16:02:33] <jrock2004> I have not found the need to yet
[13-Nov-2009 16:03:15] <chemist> cool, are you using zenoss' process monitoring on linux boxes?
[13-Nov-2009 16:03:27] <jrock2004> I would like too eventually because there is a cool nagios plugin that checks blacklists to see if my IP is on it
[13-Nov-2009 16:03:54] <jrock2004> Yes
[13-Nov-2009 16:04:07] <jrock2004> On some
[13-Nov-2009 16:04:49] <chemist> I am trying to decide wether to use zenoss itself or set up snmp on each box
[13-Nov-2009 16:05:08] <chemist> I tried the zenoss one and found it a bit 'static'
[13-Nov-2009 16:06:00] <rmatte> what do you mean by set up snmp on each box?
[13-Nov-2009 16:06:09] <rmatte> zenoss does monitoring via snmp
[13-Nov-2009 16:06:10] <rmatte> lol
[13-Nov-2009 16:06:25] <jrock2004> are you talking about ssh vs snmp
[13-Nov-2009 16:06:26] <jrock2004> ?
[13-Nov-2009 16:06:49] <chemist> something I saw in one of Jane Curry's papers
[13-Nov-2009 16:07:10] <jrock2004> Ok I am lost :)
[13-Nov-2009 16:07:21] <rmatte> yeh, I'm lost too
[13-Nov-2009 16:07:24] <rmatte> no idea what you mean
[13-Nov-2009 16:07:31] <chemist> one sec
[13-Nov-2009 16:08:06] <chemist> http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/process_monitoring.pdf
[13-Nov-2009 16:08:47] <rmatte> ok, process monitoring is done via SNMP too
[13-Nov-2009 16:08:57] <rmatte> so I still don't know what you mean
[13-Nov-2009 16:09:44] <rmatte> unless you're talking about revealing SNMP values via net-snmp
[13-Nov-2009 16:09:54] <gwb2351> i think the question is "do i use ssh to monitor processes on a system, or extend the snmp mib to report if a process is running"
[13-Nov-2009 16:10:28] <rmatte> I'd personally go snmp hands down, but that's me
[13-Nov-2009 16:10:51] <chemist> ok, that's the answer I was looking for :)
[13-Nov-2009 16:11:13] <gwb2351> for us, it was all a question of "do we have authority to login via ssh" but the default was to use ssh instead of snmp. this was primarily driven by the non-snmp background of our group
[13-Nov-2009 16:11:18] <jrock2004> snmp will give you more information out of the box then ssh
[13-Nov-2009 16:11:32] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Nov-2009 16:11:42] <rmatte> I'm also a huge fan of SNMP since I know it quite well
[13-Nov-2009 16:11:43] <jrock2004> the only time I use ssh is when I have an old box that I cannot install snmp on
[13-Nov-2009 16:11:46] <gwb2351> which allowed the non-snmp-familiar people to click on "os processes" and add what they cared about to monitor running
[13-Nov-2009 16:12:08] <rmatte> well, I'm out of here
[13-Nov-2009 16:12:10] <rmatte> later folks
[13-Nov-2009 16:13:12] <chemist> ok, one thing I don't grasp yet (I am very green in snmp) is on that document, on page 10 she refers to the snmp v3 user
[13-Nov-2009 16:13:24] <rmatte> don't bother with snmpv3
[13-Nov-2009 16:13:44] <rmatte> it's basically just a version of snmp that encrypts the data and requires a username and password instead of just a community string
[13-Nov-2009 16:13:48] <rmatte> it's more hassle than it's worth
[13-Nov-2009 16:13:59] <gwb2351> snmp v2c is the "easiest" to use, unless you have an information security office breathing down your neck with "everything must be encrypted!"
[13-Nov-2009 16:14:22] <gwb2351> totally agree with rmatte. v3 is a PITA
[13-Nov-2009 16:15:46] <jrock2004> Can you add customer OS processes?
[13-Nov-2009 16:16:22] <chemist> ok,last question. when I add a process to be monitored in zenoss,is it the same as adding that process in the snmp.conf file on the individual boox?
[13-Nov-2009 16:16:28] <jrock2004> *custom
[13-Nov-2009 16:16:31] <chemist> *box
[13-Nov-2009 16:19:12] <jrock2004> Well guys I am off to go home. See ya later
[13-Nov-2009 16:32:15] <zuez> I wonder how much work it would be to slap an XML interface on top of zenoss's frontend so non-web clients can be built
[13-Nov-2009 16:32:31] <zuez> at least for fundamental stuff like events, etc
[13-Nov-2009 16:33:59] <ErikRose_> You could query the MySQL DB directly.
[13-Nov-2009 16:34:29] <zuez> that's actually true, and built an XML interface based on those queries
[13-Nov-2009 16:34:36] <zuez> s/built/build
[13-Nov-2009 16:53:06] <zenethian> er, you can only query the mysql db for events
[13-Nov-2009 16:53:08] <zenethian> the rest are stored in zodb
[13-Nov-2009 16:53:19] <ErikRose_> Sure. You can connect to ZEO remotely, too.
[13-Nov-2009 16:54:24] * zenethian passes out beers for anyone who's still left working in here at this time of day
[13-Nov-2009 16:54:42] * ErikRose swigs.
[13-Nov-2009 17:19:58] <markeriv> temporary failure in name resolution
[13-Nov-2009 17:20:14] <markeriv> i keep getting this while trying to send a test email
[13-Nov-2009 17:20:32] <markeriv> i have checked the server's dns, and it is able to surf the web just fine
[13-Nov-2009 17:20:44] <markeriv> should I restart the server or just zenoss?
[13-Nov-2009 17:21:21] <ke4qqq> are you able to use dig and nslookup from the commandline?
[13-Nov-2009 17:21:30] <ke4qqq> on the zenoss server
[13-Nov-2009 17:21:37] <markeriv> yes
[13-Nov-2009 17:21:48] <ke4qqq> actually lets step back - what's giving you the error 'temporary failure in name resolutions'
[13-Nov-2009 17:21:48] <markeriv> think i might have just figured it out however
[13-Nov-2009 17:21:55] <markeriv> zenactions and zencommand were shut down
[13-Nov-2009 17:22:04] <markeriv> really odd O.o
[13-Nov-2009 17:22:27] <markeriv> its when I try an email test
[13-Nov-2009 17:22:30] <markeriv> it gives the following output
[13-Nov-2009 17:22:32] <markeriv> Test failed: socket.gaierror - (-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution')
[13-Nov-2009 17:22:49] <ke4qqq> what do you have defined as your smtphost?
[13-Nov-2009 17:22:59] <markeriv> telnesbr.accountsupport.com
[13-Nov-2009 17:23:20] <markeriv> i have checked via outlook that the username and pw and smtphost are correct
[13-Nov-2009 17:23:47] <ke4qqq> can you run dig against it from the zenoss box?
[13-Nov-2009 17:24:35] <ke4qqq> what version is this on??? regardless it should error sanely, not cause two daemons to die, so make sure you file a bug to get that fixed
[13-Nov-2009 18:28:20] <zuez> if alerting is user specific, there is no way to setup alerts for a team of admins?
[13-Nov-2009 18:28:33] <zuez> I want to have events go to certain users on certain days, etc
[13-Nov-2009 18:28:36] <zuez> rotating oncall
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[13-Nov-2009 19:23:39] <zuez> what's the best way to set the name of the zenoss box that's sending out alerts?
[13-Nov-2009 19:23:52] <zuez> it's reporting a hostname I'd like to customize when alerts go to e-mail
[13-Nov-2009 19:52:03] <ErikRose> Since upgrading to 2.5.0, my Event Console doesn't draw. It throws JS errors instead: "Ext is not defined". The patch listed on http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5722 doesn't help.
[13-Nov-2009 20:27:15] <zuez> so I'm messing around, shutting down some services intentionally to test alerting, smtp in this case. first time I shut it down, no problem, got the event/alert.
[13-Nov-2009 20:27:20] <zuez> acknowledged it, restarted the service
[13-Nov-2009 20:27:29] <zuez> now when I bring it down again, it doesn't create an alert for it anymore
[13-Nov-2009 20:35:22] <ErikRose> Does anyone know offhand what top-level URL paths Zenoss uses? I'm layering Zenoss atop an existing vhost and need to selectively proxy. So far, I've got zport (which used to be all I needed in 2.3 and 2.4), extjs, and zenui, but I'm still having tons of JS errors.
[13-Nov-2009 21:06:48] <zuez> bleh, if I want to monitor the cron process, I have to re-model every server?
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[15-Nov-2009 09:42:07] <wayland> Hello, today i have used the better part of the day trying to get zenoss running of a freebsd 8.0 rc2 box, and when i finnaly got it running i can't run the auto discover feature running the command listed in the job queue results in a segmentation fault :S
[15-Nov-2009 14:33:34] <wayland> any one had any success installing zenoss on a freebsd system?
[15-Nov-2009 14:36:10] <ke4qqq> wayland: I thought there was a dedicated group doing a ports build for one of the BSDs but can't recall off the top of my head.
[15-Nov-2009 14:37:50] <wayland> ke4qqq: sure, there is... i found this: docs/DOC-3514 the guide works, and it works with 2.5.0 as well. but zendisc crashes with a segmentation fault on both 2.4.4 and 2.5.0
[15-Nov-2009 14:37:57] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Install/Upgrade Zenoss 2.4.1 on FreeBSD 7.x (at community.zenoss.org)
[15-Nov-2009 14:38:03] <wayland> if there are another community i would like to know about it
[15-Nov-2009 14:38:12] <ke4qqq> I was just about to paste that link
[15-Nov-2009 14:39:06] <ke4qqq> mrayzenoss would be the person I'd ask - he was telling me how the BSD guys were submitting patches to make things install cleanly, he will probably be in on Monday
[15-Nov-2009 14:39:52] <wayland> ke4qqq: ok, i will try to see if i can get a hold of him on monday :)
[15-Nov-2009 14:40:15] <wayland> would it make any difference to try a svn checkout of the source?
[15-Nov-2009 14:41:26] <ke4qqq> it might - you may want to check the trac instance and see if there are any recently fixed bsd issues - you might even be able to use zenpatch to patch your current system
[15-Nov-2009 14:43:15] <wayland> i'll try :)
[15-Nov-2009 14:43:20] <wayland> Thanks for the hints
[15-Nov-2009 14:43:23] <ke4qqq> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/search?q=bsd
[15-Nov-2009 14:44:16] <ke4qqq> there are a few install related bugs there, but I understand that the BSD community is finding a lot of bugs and reporting/fixing them, so with a community that active they surely have something working.
[15-Nov-2009 14:50:15] <wayland> ke4qqq: yeah, found it, i think i will have a look at a svn checkout.... i do i have a off topic question, why is it that zenoss have all it's dependencies togehter with the main distribution?
[15-Nov-2009 14:51:02] <ke4qqq> wayland: long story short - they often require much older versions
[15-Nov-2009 14:51:37] <ke4qqq> wayland: I understand there is active work in place to get themselves up to date and get it to the point that they don't have to bundle dependencies.
[15-Nov-2009 14:52:32] <wayland> Ahh... ok that makes some sence, it just seems to me that in some cases it would create more problems then it solves when installing from source
[15-Nov-2009 14:53:56] <ke4qqq> it creates lots of problems for them, and they realize it, but it's gonna take some work and pain for them to get it fixed.
[15-Nov-2009 14:55:35] <wayland> Well.. i looking forward to seeing a more stabile install process in the future, for what i have seen so far this is way better than the other opensource products there are out there in this category
[15-Nov-2009 15:00:09] <ke4qqq> it's much better as it stands now, and getting better. I am really encouraged by what I see coming out of Zenoss
[15-Nov-2009 15:02:07] <wayland> I've been a nagios user for years now, and i need something that can do a little more, and so far i have tried zabbix and and hyperic... and i can't say i was impressed by those two
[15-Nov-2009 15:06:53] <ke4qqq> yeah - I did the same thing - started with nagios, used zenoss really early (like 1.x) and tried zabbix, hyperic and groundwork and circled back to zenoss - it's really the only player IMO in the open source world once you outgrow nagios.
[15-Nov-2009 15:09:32] * ke4qqq is heading out for a bit
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[16-Nov-2009 06:35:41] <Troubadix09> hi all
[16-Nov-2009 09:34:08] <rmatte> good morning all
[16-Nov-2009 09:36:43] <jrock2004> Good morning
[16-Nov-2009 09:37:20] * jrock2004 is excited for tomorrow
[16-Nov-2009 09:38:47] <rmatte> what's tomorrow?
[16-Nov-2009 09:43:25] <jrock2004> Assassins Creed 2
[16-Nov-2009 09:46:36] <rmatte> yeh that's out tomorrow
[16-Nov-2009 09:46:40] <rmatte> forgot about that hehe
[16-Nov-2009 09:46:55] <rmatte> I've been playing MW2 a lot, haven't played online yet, almost done single player campaign
[16-Nov-2009 09:47:38] <ke4qqq> rmatte: you still have a 2.5.x test instance up
[16-Nov-2009 09:47:58] <rmatte> ke4qqq: yup
[16-Nov-2009 09:48:07] <rmatte> it's going to be up until we go prod with it hehe
[16-Nov-2009 09:48:20] <ke4qqq> can you see if you can replicate http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5814
[16-Nov-2009 09:48:30] <ke4qqq> and see if that still exists in 2.5
[16-Nov-2009 09:48:47] <rmatte> sure thing
[16-Nov-2009 09:49:33] <rmatte> I'll need to add a fake device in and wait for availability to drop, give me a few
[16-Nov-2009 09:49:40] <ke4qqq> k, no rush
[16-Nov-2009 09:50:30] <rmatte> I finished packaging my ticket create daemon on Friday, it's pretty awesome now, can start and stop it from the Zenoss UI, can view the log and edit the config from the UI too
[16-Nov-2009 09:50:44] <rmatte> I like the way that Zenoss handles new daemons, very easy to implement
[16-Nov-2009 09:51:21] <rmatte> ok, availability immediately dropped to 29.369%... time to test...
[16-Nov-2009 09:51:49] <rmatte> nope, renamed and it maintained the same availability
[16-Nov-2009 09:51:55] <rmatte> so looks like that one is fixed
[16-Nov-2009 09:52:13] <ke4qqq> good
[16-Nov-2009 09:52:41] <rmatte> but wait, was that availability report though
[16-Nov-2009 09:52:44] <rmatte> or just the device page?
[16-Nov-2009 09:53:40] <rmatte> ah, they both seem fine
[16-Nov-2009 10:00:15] <gwb2351> with 3 authors of the community netapp zenpack, what's the best route to ask about bugs/errors ?
[16-Nov-2009 10:00:54] <rmatte> whoever made the latest update would be the one to ask
[16-Nov-2009 10:01:04] <rmatte> since the other 2 are probably no longer active on the project
[16-Nov-2009 10:06:01] <ke4qqq> sorry just the device page.
[16-Nov-2009 10:06:14] <rmatte> yeh, it worked fine for everything
[16-Nov-2009 10:07:06] <ErikRose> Anybody else have tons of JS errors when trying to view the Event Console in 2.5.0?
[16-Nov-2009 10:07:20] <ErikRose> Happens regardless of browser.
[16-Nov-2009 10:08:46] <rmatte> ErikRose: nope, haven't seen any problems like that
[16-Nov-2009 10:09:03] <rmatte> ErikRose: but I'm only tried on firefox... let me check IE...
[16-Nov-2009 10:09:25] <ErikRose> Happens for me on FF 3.5.3, for example
[16-Nov-2009 10:09:48] <ErikRose> Let me see exactly what they are now. I solved a few by proxying /zenui and /extjs through to Zenoss.
[16-Nov-2009 10:10:33] <ErikRose> The first one I'm hitting now is a "parwin.zmlistener is undefined" on line 708 of zenoss-utils.js?_dc=250
[16-Nov-2009 10:10:40] <ErikRose> And sure enough, it is. :-)
[16-Nov-2009 10:10:57] <rmatte> I'm using firefox 3.5.5 and it's perfectly fine
[16-Nov-2009 10:11:19] <rmatte> ErikRose: was this a brand new install or an upgrade?
[16-Nov-2009 10:11:31] <ErikRose> An upgrade from 2.3.3 to 2.4.5 and now to 2.5.0.
[16-Nov-2009 10:11:46] <rmatte> ok, and did you clear your browser cache as directed by the install guide?
[16-Nov-2009 10:11:59] <ErikRose> Yes, and I took these steps to fix various other problems: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/1602#Thenupgradefrom2.4.5to2.5.0
[16-Nov-2009 10:13:27] <rmatte> the event console doesn't render at all in IE for me, but that's a know bug that will be fixed in the next version
[16-Nov-2009 10:13:46] <rmatte> oh wait, it just suddenly rendered
[16-Nov-2009 10:13:49] <ErikRose> Yes, I saw that ticket. That's where I got zenpatch 15588.
[16-Nov-2009 10:14:08] <rmatte> yeh, it's rendering fine in IE now
[16-Nov-2009 10:14:18] <ErikRose> Thanks for letting me bounce this off you. :-) Sometimes even that helps.
[16-Nov-2009 10:14:27] <rmatte> np
[16-Nov-2009 10:14:58] <ErikRose> I wonder what the Event Console is *supposed* to look like. I wouldn't mind confirming it's even drawing correctly.
[16-Nov-2009 10:15:06] <ErikRose> Just for fun.
[16-Nov-2009 10:15:49] <rmatte> hmmm, looks like they might have taken down the public event console demo
[16-Nov-2009 10:16:34] <rmatte> do you maybe have too high of security settings enabled in your browser?
[16-Nov-2009 10:16:39] <rmatte> have you tried adding it to trusted sites?
[16-Nov-2009 10:17:01] <rmatte> (though that shouldn't be an issue with firefox by default unless you modified the settings)
[16-Nov-2009 10:17:06] <ErikRose> Usually I use OmniWeb; does that exist in FF?
[16-Nov-2009 10:17:17] <rmatte> what's OmniWeb?
[16-Nov-2009 10:17:25] <ErikRose> It's a WebKit-based browser.
[16-Nov-2009 10:17:35] <rmatte> you're trying to use that for Zenoss!?
[16-Nov-2009 10:17:53] <ErikRose> It worked great with 2.3 and 2.4. RIght now, I'm trying FF, since I figure the devs would have tested with it.
[16-Nov-2009 10:18:05] <ErikRose> THey both have the same errors.
[16-Nov-2009 10:18:12] <rmatte> yeh, firefox is just about the only browser that works flawlessly with king crab at the moment
[16-Nov-2009 10:18:32] <rmatte> The list of supported browsers is as follows...
[16-Nov-2009 10:18:33] <ErikRose> (OmniWeb is basically Safari with a different UI.)
[16-Nov-2009 10:18:42] <rmatte> full support: Firefox 3, Internet Explorer 7
[16-Nov-2009 10:18:49] <ErikRose> Yes, I know. I'd be happy if *anything* worked.
[16-Nov-2009 10:18:50] <rmatte> partial support: Chrome, Opera, Safari 3
[16-Nov-2009 10:19:11] <rmatte> have you tried from a completely different computer?
[16-Nov-2009 10:19:26] <ErikRose> That I have not. Hang on...
[16-Nov-2009 10:19:32] <rmatte> (need to determine whether the issue is server related or workstation related)
[16-Nov-2009 10:19:34] <rmatte> k
[16-Nov-2009 10:24:41] <rmatte> Bryanstein: hmmm, hadn't heard of shellium before, cool
[16-Nov-2009 10:28:52] <ErikRose> rmatte: Weird! FF on another computer also doesn't work (assuming that click Event History and then choosing a low Severity should show my old events), but it doesn't report any errors.
[16-Nov-2009 10:30:00] <ErikRose> Can I downgrade to 2.4.5, or will the migrations I made for 2.5 get in the way?
[16-Nov-2009 10:30:26] <rmatte> not sure about downgrading, don't think that's been officially tested
[16-Nov-2009 10:30:37] * ErikRose has been fighting with this all weekend.
[16-Nov-2009 10:30:47] <rmatte> you'd almost be better to do a full zenbackup, backup your Data.fs (just in case), then install from scratch and restore
[16-Nov-2009 10:31:00] <ErikRose> That sounds pretty good right now.
[16-Nov-2009 10:31:17] <ErikRose> Too bad the build takes 2 hours and I have to take Zenoss down while it happens.
[16-Nov-2009 10:31:52] <rmatte> you working with a physical machine or VMs?
[16-Nov-2009 10:32:02] <ErikRose> Physical 4-core Xeon 2.8
[16-Nov-2009 10:32:07] <rmatte> ah, that makes it difficult
[16-Nov-2009 10:32:16] <ErikRose> Yep :-)
[16-Nov-2009 10:32:20] <rmatte> was going to suggest to build a second machine and then bring it online as you take the other down
[16-Nov-2009 10:32:28] <rmatte> I absolutely love VMs, incredible flexibility
[16-Nov-2009 10:32:40] <ErikRose> I should probably bite the bullet and switch to a .deb install, even if it means not being able to use the Debian MYSQL.
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:01] <rmatte> the .deb is just the stack installer wrapped in a .deb
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:09] <rmatte> there really isn't anything else different about it from the stack
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:11] <ErikRose> Yes, the "integration" with Debian is nonexistent.
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:16] <ErikRose> No startup jobs or anything
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:22] <rmatte> it just adds an entry to the package manager
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:23] <rmatte> that's about it
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:35] <rmatte> the rest is all done via the stack installer
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:40] <ErikRose> GOod to know
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:55] <rmatte> I just prefer to use the regular stack installer (I manage Ubuntu servers, so very similar to Debian)
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:16] <ErikRose> How does the stack installer handle upgrades?
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:24] <rmatte> flawlessly in my experience
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:27] <ErikRose> i.e. does it work better than source?
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:29] <ErikRose> Cool.
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:30] <rmatte> haven't had a single issue
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:38] <ErikRose> I don't think source upgrades get tested.
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:40] <rmatte> and I've been using Zenoss since 2.3.2
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:50] <ErikRose> Yep, I started with 2.3.3 myself.
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:08] <rmatte> source upgrades get tested a bit, but a stack install is just overall better
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:16] <ErikRose> It takes me an average of 6 hour to work out the bugs on every install, so I wouldn't mind a better QA'd solution.
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:24] <rmatte> but it includes it's own SQL server, which some people don't like
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:34] <rmatte> since I have dedicated Zenoss VMs, I love the fact that it installs all ready to go
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:36] <rmatte> less hassle
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:47] <rmatte> it's easy enough to repoint it to another though
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:49] <ErikRose> Well, I'm using Postgres anyway for real stuff, so it can do what it wants with MySQL.
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:58] <rmatte> you just need to create the db/tables by hand
[16-Nov-2009 10:36:03] <rmatte> then edit a config or two
[16-Nov-2009 10:36:13] <rmatte> ah, cool
[16-Nov-2009 10:36:23] <ke4qqq> wish zenoss would work with pg
[16-Nov-2009 10:36:29] <ErikRose> Me too.
[16-Nov-2009 10:36:49] <ErikRose> I'd be happy to advise if somebody wanted to try the port.
[16-Nov-2009 10:36:51] <rmatte> yeh, the performance would be a bit better
[16-Nov-2009 10:37:40] <ErikRose> I think I'm going to try the stack installer, rmatte. Thanks for the advice!
[16-Nov-2009 10:37:51] <ke4qqq> stack install?? really?? I thought the official line was - use the native packages not the stackinstaller.
[16-Nov-2009 10:37:55] <rmatte> np, it should work out well for you
[16-Nov-2009 10:38:01] <rmatte> I didn't realize you had installed from source
[16-Nov-2009 10:38:27] <rmatte> in my opinion the only reason to install from source is if you're running it on FreeBSD (which is always problematic anyways)
[16-Nov-2009 10:38:34] <ErikRose> Yeah, I'm running 3 other Zope instances on this box for Plone, and I originally was going to try to coerce Zenoss to use ports other than its default.
[16-Nov-2009 10:38:53] <rmatte> ErikRose: it's pretty simple to change the default ports
[16-Nov-2009 10:38:54] <ErikRose> I finally gave up and moved my other stuff.
[16-Nov-2009 10:38:58] <rmatte> ErikRose: it's just some config editing
[16-Nov-2009 10:39:04] <rmatte> oh?
[16-Nov-2009 10:39:25] <rmatte> actually, there's a super super simple way to do it... let me find the line...
[16-Nov-2009 10:39:30] <ErikRose> Doesn't look like I wrote down why it was so hard.
[16-Nov-2009 10:39:45] <ErikRose> I should file a ticket about the /usr/lib/zope thing on Debian.
[16-Nov-2009 10:40:29] <rmatte> there's a spot somewhere when you can tell it in 1 spot to increment all of the ports by a certain amount
[16-Nov-2009 10:40:32] <rmatte> just trying to find it
[16-Nov-2009 10:40:39] <rmatte> saves you from having to edit tons of different configs
[16-Nov-2009 10:40:43] <ErikRose> That would probably be in zope.conf.
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:04] <ErikRose> port-base
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:36] <rmatte> that's the one
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:53] <rmatte> # Description:
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:53] <rmatte> # Offset applied to the port numbers used for ZServer
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:53] <rmatte> # configurations. For example, if the http-server port is 8080 and
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:53] <rmatte> # the port-base is 1000, the HTTP server will listen on port 9080.
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:53] <rmatte> # This makes it easy to change the complete set of ports used by a
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:54] <rmatte> # Zope server process
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:59] <ErikRose> I won't make accusations whose details I have not recorded. ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 10:42:08] <rmatte> hehe
[16-Nov-2009 10:42:32] <ErikRose> Whoa! Apparently the deb now includes startup jobs!
[16-Nov-2009 10:42:46] * ErikRose makes sure it won't try to downgrade MySQL to an incompatible version.
[16-Nov-2009 10:42:49] <rmatte> well, no, the stack installer automatically configures the startup jobs
[16-Nov-2009 10:42:59] <rmatte> the deb is just a wrapper
[16-Nov-2009 10:43:18] <rmatte> stack installer FTW!
[16-Nov-2009 10:43:20] <ErikRose> Hopefully the deb declares the existence of the startup jobs like a good boy.
[16-Nov-2009 10:43:39] <rmatte> but yeh, for upgrades it's just a matter of running the newest version of the stack installer and it updates
[16-Nov-2009 10:43:51] <ErikRose> Any reason to *not* use the deb?
[16-Nov-2009 10:43:51] <rmatte> quick and simple
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:07] <ErikRose> Seems to save a little work
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:07] <rmatte> meh, I just prefer having it not register with the package manager
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:10] <rmatte> it's up to you
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:23] <rmatte> basically the difference between the two is this...
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:24] <ErikRose> I'm comfortable hacking APT if it comes to that. :-)
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:31] <rmatte> when you want to remove it you'll do apt-get remove zenoss
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:44] <rmatte> I'll do /usr/local/zenoss/uninstall && rm -rf /usr/local/zenoss
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:47] <ErikRose> aptitude > apt-get :-)
[16-Nov-2009 10:45:01] <ErikRose> Tracks all those pesky dependencies on removal.
[16-Nov-2009 10:45:08] <rmatte> I use aptitude when I'm searching and stuff and apt-get when I'm installing or removing packages
[16-Nov-2009 10:45:12] <rmatte> (just force of habbit)
[16-Nov-2009 10:45:32] <ErikRose> If you use aptitude, it will actually remove stuff that's no longer used by anything, when you remove the thing that used them.
[16-Nov-2009 10:45:47] <rmatte> I thought apt-get did that as well, but guess not
[16-Nov-2009 10:45:49] <ErikRose> apt-get doesn't record that stuff, though, so you're on your own with what you've already installed.
[16-Nov-2009 10:45:57] <rmatte> I see
[16-Nov-2009 10:46:02] <rmatte> noted
[16-Nov-2009 10:46:05] <ErikRose> Things could have changed, but it didn't used to.
[16-Nov-2009 10:47:03] <rmatte> I'm surprised that apt-get isn't just a symlink to aptitude at this point
[16-Nov-2009 10:47:13] <ErikRose> There are a lot of diffs.
[16-Nov-2009 10:47:35] <ErikRose> Like there is no "aptitude cache" subcommand.
[16-Nov-2009 10:48:03] <ErikRose> "aptitude search" works, though.
[16-Nov-2009 10:49:02] <ErikRose> When you upgrade the stack installer, do you have to run zenmigrate by hand?
[16-Nov-2009 11:03:17] <rmatte> to backup the stuff before updating you mean?
[16-Nov-2009 11:03:19] <rmatte> yes, you do
[16-Nov-2009 11:03:29] <rmatte> the stack installer only takes care of the update itself
[16-Nov-2009 11:03:47] <rmatte> actually, oh, thought you meant zenbackup
[16-Nov-2009 11:03:52] <ErikRose> Nifty
[16-Nov-2009 11:03:58] <rmatte> no, the stack installer does everything except for zenbackup
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:12] * ErikRose just discovered the zeopack cron job hiding out in ZENHOME/extras. I thought I was going to have to do that myself.
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:23] <rmatte> I never use zenbackup since I have VMs, so I just snapshot prior to upgrade, if anything goes sour I roll back
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:35] <aclark> ErikRose!
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:40] <ErikRose> aclark!
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:44] <ErikRose> Fancy meeting you here!
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:47] <rmatte> nah, the stack installer literally sets up everything, including startup scripts and cronjobs
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:53] <aclark> ErikRose: You should have come down for the community day FTW ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:56] <aclark> heh yeah!
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:04] <ErikRose> aclark: When was that? I didn't even hear about it!
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:06] <aclark> I see a lot of Plone peeps in here ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:09] <rmatte> it also performs all necessary upgrade steps when upgrading
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:12] * aclark looks around
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:13] <rmatte> it's pretty braindead
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:19] <aclark> ErikRose: Oh too bad, last week-ish?
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:23] * aclark has no concept of time
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:27] <ErikRose> Wow!
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:33] <ErikRose> Which community was it? Zenoss or Plone?
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:42] <rmatte> Zenoss
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:49] <aclark> Zenoss Community Day, was last day of LISA conf
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:51] <ErikRose> That would have been a blast.
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:00] <aclark> really cool event, they have vid i think
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:04] <ErikRose> As soon as I get 2.5 running, I mean to write a bunch of ZenPacks.
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:07] <rmatte> yeh, apparently the Zenoss guys put on a nice show
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:14] <rmatte> and they offer free training
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:20] <aclark> ErikRose: Awesome! I want to get on some of that myself
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:32] <aclark> rmatte: I was really nice…
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:38] <ErikRose> I need an HttpMonitor that doesn't go Critical the first time a socket times out, and I need something to warn me when my SSL certs are about to expire.
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:40] <aclark> s/I/it/
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:52] <rmatte> I wouldn't go for the training, in fact I'd probably just help people out during the training session, but I would like to fly out to some Zenoss event at some point just to meet some of the guys
[16-Nov-2009 11:07:12] <rmatte> ...and get myself a Zenny Zebra army
[16-Nov-2009 11:07:19] <aclark> hah right
[16-Nov-2009 11:07:20] <rmatte> the Zenny on my desk is lonely
[16-Nov-2009 11:07:21] <ErikRose> hehe
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:08] <rmatte> man, our front line guys are going to hate me once my ticket create daemon is deployed to production. they aren't seeing half the tickets they should right now
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:20] <ErikRose> Which system are you creating tickets in?
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:24] <rmatte> otrs
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:24] <aclark> ErikRose: http://www.zenoss.com/news/events/?eventID=59761667
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:33] <ErikRose> If it was Trac, I would have jumped up. :-)
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:35] <rmatte> I wrote a zenoss daemon called zenticket, wrapped it up in a ZenPack
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:41] <adytum-bot> Title: Commercial Open Source Application, Systems, and Network Monitoring - Zenoss (at www.zenoss.com)
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:50] <aclark> thanks adytum-bot
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:55] <rmatte> Doing first production testing on it this afternoon
[16-Nov-2009 11:09:02] <ErikRose> I totally should have driven down for that.
[16-Nov-2009 11:09:40] <aclark> ErikRose: Yeah I should have pinged you didn't think of it. I signed up a while back and Mark Hinkle sent conf like a couple days before
[16-Nov-2009 11:10:05] <ErikRose> I follow zenoss, but the tweet probably got buried in my post-honeymoon landslide.
[16-Nov-2009 11:10:11] <aclark> ErikRose: (of course I spent most of the day writing an overdue book chapter ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 11:10:14] <aclark> right
[16-Nov-2009 11:10:31] <ErikRose> How's the book coming, btw? I'll finish the 2nd drafts for mine on 11/25. :-D
[16-Nov-2009 11:10:38] <ErikRose> And then I'm going to play videogames ALL DAY.
[16-Nov-2009 11:10:46] <rmatte> woot, videogames!
[16-Nov-2009 11:10:53] <rmatte> what games are you playing lately?
[16-Nov-2009 11:11:24] <ErikRose> I'm forced to be casual, since I have no time, so I've been sticking to console: Zelda Wind Waker, Rock Bank, etc.
[16-Nov-2009 11:11:28] <ErikRose> Band, even
[16-Nov-2009 11:11:31] <rmatte> ah cool
[16-Nov-2009 11:11:41] <rmatte> yeh, I only play console, I have a ps3 and a wii
[16-Nov-2009 11:11:46] <aclark> ErikRose: Ehhh, still going ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 11:11:46] <rmatte> been playing modern warfare 2 a lot
[16-Nov-2009 11:11:57] <ErikRose> I mean to get the new Paper Mario; the first one was the best game I've ever played, outside Riven.
[16-Nov-2009 11:12:19] <rmatte> yeh, paper mario was fun, I didn't play it a lot but I played it a bit at my friend's place
[16-Nov-2009 11:12:33] <rmatte> I loved how you could switch from 2d to 3d
[16-Nov-2009 11:12:44] <ErikRose> I need to find out what else the Paper Mario company made. The writing in particular was hilarious and self-deprecating.
[16-Nov-2009 11:12:53] <rmatte> yeh
[16-Nov-2009 11:13:53] <eidolon> hi folks - i'm trying to get zenjmx to monitor a Weblogic server. under zProperties, i set the jmxmanagement port to 11113 (which i see on the command line for the appserver), but when zenoss tries to model / look at it, i see:error connecting to server:Failed to connect to service:jmx:rmi:///jndi/rmi://10.10.10.129:11111/jmxrmi
[16-Nov-2009 11:13:55] <ErikRose> "How are we breathing on the moon?" "Try not to think about it."
[16-Nov-2009 11:14:05] <rmatte> hehe
[16-Nov-2009 11:14:56] <rmatte> I played uncharted, drake's fortune at my friend's place the other day, easily one of the best games I've ever played in my life. It's like playing a movie.
[16-Nov-2009 11:15:01] <rmatte> and the voice acting is amazingly good
[16-Nov-2009 11:15:12] * ErikRose googles
[16-Nov-2009 11:15:44] <rmatte> it's only for ps3 though
[16-Nov-2009 11:15:50] <ErikRose> Aw, rats.
[16-Nov-2009 11:16:05] <rmatte> they made ample use of the graphics processing power
[16-Nov-2009 11:16:21] <ErikRose> I love when devs take advantage of the hardware.
[16-Nov-2009 11:16:27] <rmatte> but yeh, they have some great lines in it
[16-Nov-2009 11:16:41] <ErikRose> Although back in cartridge times, you never knew when they were just sticking processors in the cart.
[16-Nov-2009 11:16:44] <rmatte> drake gets locked in this prison in some country for 3 months, one of his friends finally rescues him...
[16-Nov-2009 11:16:59] <rmatte> and he's like "Oh no, no, it's not that bad! Look! I have my own bucket!..."
[16-Nov-2009 11:17:04] <ErikRose> heh!
[16-Nov-2009 11:17:14] <rmatte> "...in the last cell we had to share one between three of us!"
[16-Nov-2009 11:17:28] <rmatte> lol
[16-Nov-2009 11:17:46] <rmatte> yeh, cartridge days were fun
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:03] <rmatte> I threw my favourite genesis game on to my ps3 the other day, gunstart heroes
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:06] <rmatte> gunstar*
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:14] <eidolon> so, any help with the zenjmx stuff please?
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:16] <jrock2004> Can hardware information be added to an snmp.conf file?
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:20] <eidolon> sorry to interrupt the gamechat :)
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:26] <ErikRose> If I knew, I'd answer. :-)
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:45] <rmatte> eidolon: as a first step, can you telnet to that port from the zenoss server and get some sort of connection?
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:49] <ErikRose> jrock2004: I expect if there's a MIB for it
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:58] <rmatte> eidolon: if not, then it's obviously either the wrong port, or a firewall issue
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:01] <eidolon> yes and yes.
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:07] <rmatte> hmmm
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:17] <eidolon> the problem is the report on the event console that's pointing to the wrong port
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:20] <rmatte> I really have zero experience with that pack, so beyond that I don't know what to suggest
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:20] <jrock2004> ErikRose: Thanks
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:25] <eidolon> even though zpeopreties has the right value.
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:27] <ErikRose> np
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:47] <rmatte> jrock2004: you can reveal almost anything via netsnmp
[16-Nov-2009 11:20:13] <jrock2004> rmatte: Well I trying to find a work around for the hw model and make issue in 2.5
[16-Nov-2009 11:20:29] <rmatte> ah, so it's trying 11111 and ignoring what you set?
[16-Nov-2009 11:21:03] <rmatte> eidolon: have you tried restarting Zenoss after setting the 11113 value?
[16-Nov-2009 11:21:23] <eidolon> hmm, no, haven't. seems overkill:)
[16-Nov-2009 11:21:28] <rmatte> eidolon: not sure why you'd need to, but I've seen weirder things
[16-Nov-2009 11:21:43] <eidolon> hrm
[16-Nov-2009 11:21:47] <rmatte> eidolon: if a restart does work be sure to file a bug in trac for that
[16-Nov-2009 11:22:15] <rmatte> eidolon: if a restart doesn't work it may still be a bug, I'd imagine that most people who use the pack don't bother changing the default port, so maybe it was just never noticed
[16-Nov-2009 11:23:37] <rmatte> it might also just be a matter of pushing the change to the collector
[16-Nov-2009 11:25:11] <eidolon> restarting now
[16-Nov-2009 11:25:14] <rmatte> k
[16-Nov-2009 11:28:41] <rmatte> any change after restart?
[16-Nov-2009 11:29:08] <RoundQube> hello all
[16-Nov-2009 11:29:12] <rmatte> hey
[16-Nov-2009 11:29:25] <rmatte> afk for a few, going to grab something to eat real quick
[16-Nov-2009 11:29:56] <RoundQube> some of my linux servers under load average is showing processes 600 m (i'm assuming the m stands for million), this can't be right. Some linux servers are correctly showing the processes (1.0 - 3.0 graph currently). Did I do something wrong here?
[16-Nov-2009 11:30:10] <RoundQube> I'm using the same 'device' template for linux net-snmp, haven't used any local copies
[16-Nov-2009 11:31:44] <eidolon> not sure about status since restart.
[16-Nov-2009 11:31:46] <eidolon> sec.
[16-Nov-2009 11:32:51] <eidolon> nope, no diff... error connecting to server:Failed to connect to service:jmx:rmi:///jndi/rmi://10.10.10.129:11111/jmxrmi
[16-Nov-2009 11:33:30] <rmatte> back
[16-Nov-2009 11:34:00] <rmatte> RoundQube: 600m is smaller than 1
[16-Nov-2009 11:34:07] <rmatte> RoundQube: it's actually a millionth, not million
[16-Nov-2009 11:34:21] <rmatte> it would be like 0.6
[16-Nov-2009 11:34:34] <rmatte> it's the way that Zenoss defaults to displaying the info
[16-Nov-2009 11:34:46] <rmatte> if it's less than 1 then it scales it down to millionths
[16-Nov-2009 11:35:46] <rmatte> eidolon, sounds like a bug in the pack
[16-Nov-2009 11:35:46] <RoundQube> rmatte ahh gotcha, i want to change that to read 0.6 then. I'll figure out how to do that.
[16-Nov-2009 11:36:21] <rmatte> RoundQube: go to the template, then the graph, then the graphpoint
[16-Nov-2009 11:36:30] <rmatte> you'll see formatting like %5.2lf%s
[16-Nov-2009 11:36:34] <rmatte> remove the %s at the end
[16-Nov-2009 11:37:07] <RoundQube> thanks
[16-Nov-2009 11:37:12] <rmatte> hopefully that'll do it
[16-Nov-2009 11:37:14] <eidolon> yeah
[16-Nov-2009 11:37:26] <eidolon> is support.zenoss.com down? can't get a login page
[16-Nov-2009 11:37:54] <rmatte> not sure, I'm not an enterprise customer
[16-Nov-2009 11:38:01] <eidolon> yeah, but you can see the home page :)
[16-Nov-2009 11:38:05] <eidolon> i can't even get the page.
[16-Nov-2009 11:38:27] <rmatte> seems to be down, their demo page for the new event console is down too, which I found strange
[16-Nov-2009 11:38:31] <rmatte> I think they may have lost a server
[16-Nov-2009 11:39:27] <rmatte> call them if you can and let them know
[16-Nov-2009 11:39:56] * eidolon nods
[16-Nov-2009 11:40:40] <rmatte> though you'd hope that Zenoss Inc. would know when one of their servers goes down lol
[16-Nov-2009 11:41:40] <rmatte> oh, it's up now
[16-Nov-2009 11:42:32] <rmatte> must have been a hiccup
[16-Nov-2009 11:44:19] <Troubadix09> rmatte: when they have the event-console from zenoss 2.5 they don't know when a server is down ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 11:45:19] <rmatte> haha
[16-Nov-2009 11:45:27] <rmatte> seriously?
[16-Nov-2009 11:45:47] <rmatte> I wonder when 2.5.1 will be out
[16-Nov-2009 11:47:41] <Troubadix09> rmatte: hm.. in my case the event-console didn't refresh automatically, no matter what i select (1sec, 5sec, 10 sec ...)
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:01] <rmatte> oh?
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:07] <rmatte> it worked for me it seemed
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:14] <rmatte> IE?
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:17] <rmatte> or Firefox?
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:30] <Troubadix09> rmatte: FF 3.5.5
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:33] <rmatte> ah
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:42] <Troubadix09> no IE ... brrb
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:51] <rmatte> the new event console does still need some work for sure
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:58] <rmatte> but I'm liking how it's coming along
[16-Nov-2009 11:49:18] <RoundQube> rmatte as i assumed, there is no %s on any graph...because as i mentioned, some graphs are showing correctly and others are not
[16-Nov-2009 11:49:28] <Troubadix09> rmatte: yes, design is good, functionality needs work on it
[16-Nov-2009 11:49:52] <rmatte> RoundQube: not sure how you'd eliminate that then, I generally don't bother
[16-Nov-2009 11:50:01] <rmatte> Troubadix09: agreed
[16-Nov-2009 11:50:19] <rmatte> RoundQube: ask around, maybe post on the forums, and if you find out let me know
[16-Nov-2009 11:50:47] <RoundQube> rmatte k =)
[16-Nov-2009 11:51:15] <rmatte> but yeh, when it comes to RRD, 600m is millionth, 600M is million
[16-Nov-2009 11:51:27] <RoundQube> cool thanks
[16-Nov-2009 11:52:20] <rmatte> sweet, I can upgrade my VM box from Vista to Windows 7
[16-Nov-2009 11:52:21] <rmatte> woot
[16-Nov-2009 11:52:33] <rmatte> should increase performance drastically
[16-Nov-2009 12:05:57] <Troubadix09> rmatte: are you using the VMware-Zenpack on your 2.5 test-installation?
[16-Nov-2009 12:06:58] <rmatte> nope
[16-Nov-2009 12:07:07] <rmatte> why?
[16-Nov-2009 12:07:30] <rmatte> you'll get an error when you install it because it's an old zip zenpack, but it should still work
[16-Nov-2009 12:07:43] <rmatte> I'd recommend just staying away from the zip zenpacks if you can though for now
[16-Nov-2009 12:08:12] <Troubadix09> rmatte: no, it is a egg-Zenpack from Michael C. Hoffmann
[16-Nov-2009 12:08:16] <rmatte> oh
[16-Nov-2009 12:08:34] <Troubadix09> ZenPacks.vmware.VirtualMachines
[16-Nov-2009 12:08:38] <rmatte> oh, I see the one
[16-Nov-2009 12:09:00] <rmatte> what's your question about it?
[16-Nov-2009 12:09:04] <Troubadix09> it creates a tab under the esx-host
[16-Nov-2009 12:09:24] <Troubadix09> it shows all virtual machines with perf-graphs
[16-Nov-2009 12:09:31] <rmatte> well, it creates a tab on the actual device page of the ESX server
[16-Nov-2009 12:09:55] <rmatte> like, you'd add the ESX server as a device, and put it in to /Devices/Server/ESX
[16-Nov-2009 12:10:14] <rmatte> then go to that device page and click on the tab
[16-Nov-2009 12:10:14] <Troubadix09> yes, all right, works on 2.4.5 for me
[16-Nov-2009 12:10:36] <Troubadix09> after upgrading, the page is lost
[16-Nov-2009 12:10:53] <rmatte> have you tried just reinstalling it?
[16-Nov-2009 12:10:58] <rmatte> (the ZenPack)
[16-Nov-2009 12:11:13] <rmatte> just zenpack --install <zenpackname>
[16-Nov-2009 12:11:40] <Troubadix09> rmatte: yes, uninstall and install
[16-Nov-2009 12:11:47] <rmatte> If that doesn't work then the pack will need to be rewritten for 2.5, send a message or email to the author
[16-Nov-2009 12:12:33] <Troubadix09> it seems to be a error wich jane curry have had with 2.5 beta with her own zenpack, it seems to be a bug in zope
[16-Nov-2009 12:12:59] <rmatte> ok, then it'll need to be fixed by the author, so let him know
[16-Nov-2009 12:14:50] <rmatte> Apparently the old enterprise VMWare pack might make it's way over to core
[16-Nov-2009 12:14:55] <rmatte> not sure when though
[16-Nov-2009 12:16:10] <rocket> Hola :)
[16-Nov-2009 12:16:15] <Troubadix09> rmatte: ok. thanks, i wrote a Forums thread about that. additional i will mail the author
[16-Nov-2009 12:16:48] <rmatte> awesome
[16-Nov-2009 12:16:56] <rmatte> rocket: long time no talk, how's it going?
[16-Nov-2009 12:17:12] <rocket> its going ... busy as can be ... :p
[16-Nov-2009 12:17:19] <rmatte> yeh, I figured as much hehe
[16-Nov-2009 12:17:19] <Troubadix09> bye all
[16-Nov-2009 12:17:29] <rmatte> having fun with the Zenoss development work?
[16-Nov-2009 12:17:34] <rmatte> Troubadix09: bye
[16-Nov-2009 12:17:46] <rocket> I dont know how much fun you can have when you are coding for hpux .. :p
[16-Nov-2009 12:17:52] <rmatte> yuck
[16-Nov-2009 12:18:07] <rocket> it is the most backwards os to get simple info out of
[16-Nov-2009 12:18:23] <rmatte> so I've heard, don't have any first hand experience with it myself
[16-Nov-2009 12:18:34] <rmatte> is it worse than AIX?
[16-Nov-2009 12:19:25] <rocket> yes much worse
[16-Nov-2009 12:19:31] <rmatte> that sucks lol
[16-Nov-2009 12:20:16] <rocket> how about this to get memory info .. :p
[16-Nov-2009 12:20:19] <rocket> echo "selclass qualifier memory;info;wait;infolog" | /usr/sbin/cstm
[16-Nov-2009 12:20:33] * rmatte rubs his eyes
[16-Nov-2009 12:20:41] <rmatte> wtf were they thinking?
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:05] <rocket> basically its a tool for a support engineer to get info from the boards pretty much raw ..
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:23] <rmatte> right, so you're taking advantage of it to collect the data and use it in Zenoss
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:27] <rocket> cpu info is about the same ..
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:28] <rmatte> there's no other better way to do it?
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:34] <rocket> rmatte: I wish .. :p
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:45] <rmatte> unreal, so you're doing this all via ssh I assume?
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:50] <rocket> yes
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:53] <rmatte> cool
[16-Nov-2009 12:22:58] <rmatte> I wrote my first Zenoss daemon, though I didn't write it like it's supposed to be. But it works, controllable from the UI, logging is functional, and the config can be edited from the UI, just not via the XML method
[16-Nov-2009 12:28:18] <rocket> sweet
[16-Nov-2009 12:29:25] <rmatte> it sits and monitors the event console and creates tickets
[16-Nov-2009 12:35:55] <RoundQube> can someone confirm this for me? if I divide by 8 using RPN: "8,/" - can i multiple divide like "8,8,/,/" ?
[16-Nov-2009 13:10:40] <ErikRose> GRAH! Zenoss stack install FAIL.
[16-Nov-2009 13:10:46] <ErikRose> Error running su zenoss -c '"/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenbuild" -s localhost -u zenoss -p "zenoss" -d events -t 3307' : /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenbuild: line 16: /usr/lib/zope/bin/python: No such file or directory
[16-Nov-2009 13:11:00] <ErikRose> Look, zenoss, Debian's Zope packages use /usr/lib/zope, but there is no "python" in there. Get over it!
[16-Nov-2009 13:12:31] * ErikRose finally files a ticket.
[16-Nov-2009 13:18:51] <ErikRose> Grr. It tries accessing /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/etc/zeo.conf, but it doesn't exist for some stupid reason.
[16-Nov-2009 13:18:56] * ErikRose tries purging and reinstalling.
[16-Nov-2009 13:19:47] <ErikRose> What the hell is this? "dpkg - warning: while removing zenoss-stack, unable to remove directory `/usr/local': Device or resource busy - directory may be a mount point ?"
[16-Nov-2009 13:19:59] <ErikRose> It is very bad manners to try to delete /usr/local!!!
[16-Nov-2009 13:20:21] <ErikRose> rmatte: You were right. I'll use the stack installer, not this awful deb.
[16-Nov-2009 13:21:54] <zenethian> Just so that I can pass along the information, which deb are you trying to use, and did you give it any explicit parameters or is there anything specific about your environment that may be different from a default debian installation?
[16-Nov-2009 13:22:52] <ErikRose> zenethian: I tried "aptitude install zenoss-stack". It failed during config like so: Error running su zenoss -c '"/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenbuild" -s localhost -u zenoss -p "zenoss" -d events -t 3307' : /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenbuild: line 16: /usr/lib/zope/bin/python: No such file or directory
[16-Nov-2009 13:23:18] <ErikRose> I moved my /usr/lib/zope folder, which always seems to trip up Zenoss, and then tried "aptitude install zenoss" again.
[16-Nov-2009 13:23:38] <zenethian> ok, just checking. Unfortunately I don't know anything at all about the debian installer
[16-Nov-2009 13:23:43] <ErikRose> It threw a fit.
[16-Nov-2009 13:23:56] <ErikRose> So I figured I'd start clean. "aptitude purge zenoss" then tried to delete /usr/local.
[16-Nov-2009 13:24:18] <ErikRose> I'm happy to help out re: Debian packaging; I'm pretty comfortable with it.
[16-Nov-2009 13:32:06] <jrock2004> rmatte: do you know a good place to read up on what can be put in the snmp.conf for NET-SNMP
[16-Nov-2009 13:32:19] <aclark> ErikRose: How about packaging of a buildout-based installation :-D
[16-Nov-2009 13:32:33] <rmatte> jrock2004: man snmp.conf
[16-Nov-2009 13:32:37] <ErikRose> Yeah, if only we could add network outages to this list of errors!
[16-Nov-2009 13:32:38] <ErikRose> ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 13:33:52] <aclark> ErikRose: hah
[16-Nov-2009 13:33:57] * aclark hangs head in shame
[16-Nov-2009 13:34:21] <ErikRose> Aww, buck up, aclark. You do great work.
[16-Nov-2009 13:34:23] <ErikRose> :-)
[16-Nov-2009 13:34:49] <aclark> o:-)
[16-Nov-2009 14:00:41] <jrock2004> Has anyone done any type of monitoring of SVN servers in Zenoss
[16-Nov-2009 14:01:28] <ErikRose> If they're serving HTTP, you could use HttpMonitor.
[16-Nov-2009 14:02:10] <cgibbons> we monitor the zenoss svn repositories internally, lemme see how
[16-Nov-2009 14:02:32] <jrock2004> Cool
[16-Nov-2009 14:09:37] <ErikRose> Zenoss stack installer worked pretty smoothly, apparently.
[16-Nov-2009 14:09:43] <rmatte> it usually does
[16-Nov-2009 14:09:44] <rmatte> :)
[16-Nov-2009 14:09:51] <ErikRose> Now to test my luck with a restore. :-)
[16-Nov-2009 14:09:56] <rmatte> hehe
[16-Nov-2009 14:22:59] <rmatte> hmmm, I wonder how I can go back and delete all historical events for a particular device
[16-Nov-2009 14:25:06] <ErikRose> MySQL? :-)
[16-Nov-2009 14:25:24] <rmatte> I don't want to fool around in there though, I want something I can do via zendmd
[16-Nov-2009 14:25:30] <rmatte> I'm sure there is something
[16-Nov-2009 14:26:22] <ErikRose> Fooling around at the Python prompt strikes me as scarier than changing relational data.
[16-Nov-2009 14:26:42] <ErikRose> But maybe that's just 30 hours of Data.fs corruption from some other site talking.
[16-Nov-2009 14:27:07] <rmatte> nah, I'm pretty good with zendmd
[16-Nov-2009 14:28:46] <rmatte> I have a device with a screwed up snmp agent on it which flooded the box with events and I want to purge them all from history
[16-Nov-2009 14:29:31] <ErikRose> Whee!
[16-Nov-2009 14:38:09] <MajereDB8> hi, i had a quick question... in older zenoss builds, there were issues when installing on systems with python > 2.4... is that still the case?
[16-Nov-2009 14:40:35] <cgibbons> it still requires 2.4.4, but all of the build artifacts, including source, include their own local copy of python
[16-Nov-2009 14:41:43] <MajereDB8> so no need to unlink and link against 2.4 anymore? i recall that was the old trick with older zenoss builds
[16-Nov-2009 14:42:24] <cgibbons> predates my time; i've never had to do that since i started working with it. were you using a source build before?
[16-Nov-2009 14:42:48] <MajereDB8> yeah, i'm using the deb installer now
[16-Nov-2009 14:44:56] <MajereDB8> back then i'd build from source
[16-Nov-2009 15:00:12] <ErikRose> Holy crap, most of the daemons are working.
[16-Nov-2009 15:00:35] <ErikRose> They neglect to mention that ZENHOME is in /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss in a stack install, rather than /usr/local/zenoss.
[16-Nov-2009 15:01:26] <ErikRose> GRAGGGGHHGHGHGHHH!!! 4 hours later, and I have the same *&#$#$ JS errors!
[16-Nov-2009 15:01:58] <ErikRose> There is no curse in the tongues of men befitting this installation experience.
[16-Nov-2009 15:02:40] <dB8r> ErikRose: you get used to it after poking around
[16-Nov-2009 15:02:47] <ErikRose> Been poking around for a year now.
[16-Nov-2009 15:03:12] <ErikRose> Everything's fine now except that the Event Console won't load for love or money.
[16-Nov-2009 15:03:14] <dB8r> i'm pretty happy with zenoss for the most part, except that there's one stupid python importerror that is screwing up a feature i need
[16-Nov-2009 15:03:28] <ErikRose> JS errors all over the place in every browser
[16-Nov-2009 15:03:46] <ErikRose> Monitoring events is not so useful when you can't view any of them.
[16-Nov-2009 15:05:23] dB8r is now known as MajereDB8
[16-Nov-2009 15:15:09] <cgibbons> what build & browser are you using, Erik?
[16-Nov-2009 15:15:48] <ErikRose> 2.5.0. I usually use OmniWeb, basically identical to Safari 3, but I've been trying FIrefox 3.5.3 the past few days because it's expressly supported.
[16-Nov-2009 15:17:27] <rmatte> weird
[16-Nov-2009 15:17:33] <rmatte> I'm getting: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction
[16-Nov-2009 15:17:43] <rmatte> when trying to do dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_deleteEvents(evt.evid)
[16-Nov-2009 15:20:53] <rmatte> ah, looks like the mysql server on this one box might be a bit screwy
[16-Nov-2009 15:23:19] <rmatte> hmmm, looks like I just need to reboot this box, it's screwed
[16-Nov-2009 15:29:08] <rmatte> nice, it's preventing me from rebooting
[16-Nov-2009 15:29:12] <rmatte> fancy shmancy
[16-Nov-2009 15:29:19] <ErikRose> Ooo la la.
[16-Nov-2009 15:32:35] <ErikRose> I just wish I knew what this Event Console is *supposed* to look like. Right now, it looks like a random assortment of unlabeled controls on a grey field, with no events.
[16-Nov-2009 15:32:59] <rmatte> they aren't supposed to be "labeled" they just have images on them
[16-Nov-2009 15:33:04] <rmatte> you hover over them to see what they do
[16-Nov-2009 15:33:13] <ErikRose> Ah.
[16-Nov-2009 15:34:09] <ErikRose> I can see events some of the time now, if and only if I make the window really, really wide.
[16-Nov-2009 15:34:45] <ErikRose> But they show up 1000 pixels down the page, *behind* the buttons, and after the visual frame around the page. Then there's another 1000 pixels of empty space below.
[16-Nov-2009 15:36:43] <ErikRose> Ah, tailing the zope log reveals that the JSON decoder is freaking out: Module simplejson.decoder, line 335, in decode
[16-Nov-2009 15:36:44] <ErikRose> TypeError: expected string or buffer
[16-Nov-2009 15:37:06] <ErikRose> Which I can only attribute to client-side errors
[16-Nov-2009 15:37:08] <rmatte> eugh this sucks, the function that my daemon uses to pull events from the event console will just keep looping through trying again and again if it's not able to connect
[16-Nov-2009 15:37:14] <rmatte> I so don't want it to do that
[16-Nov-2009 15:38:13] <ErikRose> Can I use melee weapons on Zenoss?
[16-Nov-2009 15:39:11] <wildcard0> ErikRose: that's Protoss you're thinking. you definitely want to use a range weapon on zenoss
[16-Nov-2009 15:39:22] <ErikRose> Oh, you're right. Silly me.
[16-Nov-2009 15:39:32] <wildcard0> also: need more vespian gas
[16-Nov-2009 15:39:33] <wildcard0> :)
[16-Nov-2009 15:40:02] * ErikRose reaches for his +2 debugger of accuracy.
[16-Nov-2009 15:40:24] <wildcard0> do do do dooo
[16-Nov-2009 15:47:56] <jb> any report people here?
[16-Nov-2009 15:47:57] <jb> :)
[16-Nov-2009 15:48:17] <cgibbons> looks like... http://imagebin.org/71904
[16-Nov-2009 15:48:21] <cgibbons> (for erik)
[16-Nov-2009 15:48:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[16-Nov-2009 15:48:39] <jb> ugh, the reports documentation is not very good.
[16-Nov-2009 15:49:11] <rmatte> jb: depends on what you're trying to do, I have limited experience
[16-Nov-2009 15:49:46] <jb> im basically just trying to create a report with device name, CPU model, and memory size
[16-Nov-2009 15:50:41] <rmatte> you won't be able to do that from the UI, you'll have to make a custom report plugin and .rpt file
[16-Nov-2009 15:50:46] <jb> ugh
[16-Nov-2009 15:50:52] <jb> that really sucks.
[16-Nov-2009 15:51:07] <rmatte> (yes, I know it blows, hence why I'm strongly advocating that work be done on the reports system in the near future)
[16-Nov-2009 15:51:14] <rmatte> we'll see
[16-Nov-2009 15:51:15] <jb> no way i can just pull the data in the "Columns"?
[16-Nov-2009 15:51:24] <rmatte> no, the columns is very limited
[16-Nov-2009 15:51:40] <jb> some of my older reports have like "getHWSerialNumber" etc
[16-Nov-2009 15:51:44] <jb> in the "Columns"
[16-Nov-2009 15:51:55] <rmatte> yeh, that's for the serial number
[16-Nov-2009 15:52:00] <rmatte> that's not memory or CPU
[16-Nov-2009 15:52:04] <jb> are there any examples of what you are talking about?
[16-Nov-2009 15:52:07] <rmatte> serial number is a very common function
[16-Nov-2009 15:52:13] <rmatte> memory and cpu are collector plugin specific
[16-Nov-2009 15:52:28] <rmatte> look at the existing reports
[16-Nov-2009 15:52:39] <rmatte> under $ZENHOME/Products/ZenReports
[16-Nov-2009 15:53:10] <rmatte> in the reports and plugins directories
[16-Nov-2009 15:53:52] <jb> hmm
[16-Nov-2009 15:54:03] <rmatte> looks at Products/ZenReports/reports/Performance_Reports/Interface_Utilization.rpt and /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/ZenReports/plugins/interface.py for example
[16-Nov-2009 15:54:26] <rmatte> interface.py is the report plugin that gathers the data, Interface_Utilization.rpt is the file which defines how the data is displayed
[16-Nov-2009 15:54:58] <jb> wow, this would be a royal pain in the ass
[16-Nov-2009 15:56:10] <jb> ok, so how do I know what values to pull for things like memory, etc?
[16-Nov-2009 15:58:15] <jb> it would probably be quicker to do this by hand.
[16-Nov-2009 16:03:07] <ErikRose> cgibbons: Thank you so much! Now I have something to shoot for.
[16-Nov-2009 16:03:29] <ErikRose> And for the record, mine doesn't look a darn thing like that. I'm kind of relieved, actually, that the UI isn't supposed to be this bad. ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 16:04:00] <cgibbons> can you not load safari or firefox and get the same sort of display I posted?
[16-Nov-2009 16:05:37] <ErikRose> cgibbons: Heck, no. Mine looks like http://imagebin.org/71905
[16-Nov-2009 16:05:47] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[16-Nov-2009 16:06:05] <cgibbons> hmmm... and what artifact did you get for your install?
[16-Nov-2009 16:06:49] <ErikRose> cgibbons: This latest attempt is the Debian 32-bit stack installer. Previously, I got the same result with a source upgrade from 2.4.5.
[16-Nov-2009 16:07:09] <ErikRose> Full disclosure, I'm proxying through Apache to Zenoss. I'm passing /zport /zenui and /extjs
[16-Nov-2009 16:10:10] <aclark> ErikRose: OT: Any thoughts on proxying from Apache to Apache (from a frontend, to a php app)? I'm generally going insane trying to get this to work right
[16-Nov-2009 16:12:38] <ErikRose> What are you trying to do? It sounds straightforward enough.
[16-Nov-2009 16:41:33] <ErikRose> Hmm, bad news: removing the Apache proxying in front of Zope doesn't make the Event Console behave any better.
[16-Nov-2009 17:43:20] <rmatte> well, I'm out for the night, later guys
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[17-Nov-2009 01:45:39] <odyi> Anyone had luck with the IRCD zenpack? I can't get it to create graphs and haven't found anyone via google or the zenoss forums having the same issue.
[17-Nov-2009 02:12:31] <Troubadix09> hi all
[17-Nov-2009 05:51:22] <Troubadix09> hi all
[17-Nov-2009 08:28:52] <jrock2004> Any word on if the overwrite in 2.5 of the hardware info has been fixed?
[17-Nov-2009 08:47:46] <cgibbons> was a defect for that ever opened?
[17-Nov-2009 08:49:35] <jrock2004> I am not sure. I know mray tried it as well and found it as an issue when I brought it up
[17-Nov-2009 08:50:21] <jrock2004> Should I create one?
[17-Nov-2009 09:37:49] <bmac2> Issue I am having since updating to 2.5 from 2.4: I keep getting errors involving Cmd: /zenplugin.py and command not found
[17-Nov-2009 09:37:55] <bmac2> what did I miss in the documentation?
[17-Nov-2009 09:56:38] <bmac2> ok I am stuggling to find where to download the zenoss plugins package
[17-Nov-2009 09:56:46] <bmac2> I found that i don't have it installed
[17-Nov-2009 09:56:52] <bmac2> and can't find it to download
[17-Nov-2009 09:58:39] <rmatte> there is no "zenoss plugins" package that I'm aware of
[17-Nov-2009 09:58:46] <rmatte> the core plugins come with the base install
[17-Nov-2009 09:59:18] <bmac2> ok guess I am confused then
[17-Nov-2009 09:59:31] <bmac2> I keep seeing that i need to install zenoss plugins to the remote machines
[17-Nov-2009 09:59:38] <rmatte> no
[17-Nov-2009 09:59:47] <rmatte> you're looking at very old documentation there
[17-Nov-2009 09:59:51] <bmac2> ok
[17-Nov-2009 09:59:57] <rmatte> that is no longer required, hasn't been required since a long time ago
[17-Nov-2009 10:00:04] <rmatte> it was certainly never required in 2.4.x
[17-Nov-2009 10:00:06] <bmac2> my problem is that I keep getting the error above
[17-Nov-2009 10:00:24] <bmac2> that it can't find the zenplugin.py
[17-Nov-2009 10:00:26] <rmatte> you didn't actually paste any errors
[17-Nov-2009 10:00:31] <rmatte> you just said "errors involving blah"
[17-Nov-2009 10:00:35] <rmatte> that doesn't help to diagnose
[17-Nov-2009 10:00:53] <rmatte> and if it's a lot of lines, please use pastebin.com
[17-Nov-2009 10:01:10] <bmac2> very short
[17-Nov-2009 10:01:20] <rmatte> k, then paste it please
[17-Nov-2009 10:02:22] <bmac2> very short
[17-Nov-2009 10:02:34] <bmac2> /Perf/Interface Cmd:/zenplugin.py intf lo0 - Code:127 - Msg: Command not found
[17-Nov-2009 10:03:21] <bmac2> 5 of the same error just replace /Perf/Interface with: /Status/Filesystem /Perf/CPU Perf/Memory and /
[17-Nov-2009 10:04:50] <rmatte> hmmmm, it sounds like you have some stale ssh monitoring setup
[17-Nov-2009 10:05:32] <rmatte> Install this pack if you don't already have it: docs/DOC-3435
[17-Nov-2009 10:05:37] <rmatte> and then remodel those devices
[17-Nov-2009 10:05:38] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Linux Monitor (at community.zenoss.org)
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:08] <rmatte> unzip the pack before installing it
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:17] <bmac2> k
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:19] <bmac2> that is installed
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:24] <bmac2> but I will do that one
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:32] <bmac2> maybe the old version is there form the 2.4 install
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:39] <rmatte> what device group do you have the devices in?
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:51] <bmac2> they are freebsd machines
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:54] <rmatte> nah, the 2.4 never used zenplugin to my knowledge
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:56] <bmac2> so I have them in /server/cmd
[17-Nov-2009 10:07:04] <rmatte> Ah
[17-Nov-2009 10:07:17] <bmac2> where should I put freebsd machines?
[17-Nov-2009 10:07:17] <rmatte> hmmm, not sure about FreeBSD monitoring
[17-Nov-2009 10:07:42] <bmac2> most of it is working
[17-Nov-2009 10:07:45] <rmatte> I've never done any FreeBSD monitoring
[17-Nov-2009 10:07:47] <bmac2> got a few things to tweek
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:05] <bmac2> everyone who has says to NOT use the linux group for them
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:07] <rmatte> you're monitoring them via SNMP or SSH?
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:08] <bmac2> to put them in cmd
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:10] <bmac2> snmp
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:25] <bmac2> running zenoss on debain
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:36] <bmac2> montoring an apple Xserver with OS/X
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:39] <rmatte> hmmm, well, if they are in cmd then maybe they do need the plugins installed on them
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:44] <bmac2> a juniper firewall cluster
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:50] <rmatte> I'm not sure since I've never had to monitor a FreeBSD box
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:01] <rmatte> although cmd class is to monitor them via SSH I believe
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:23] <bmac2> I will move them to the darwin and the linux groups
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:26] <bmac2> and see if it changes
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:29] <bmac2> or works better
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:32] <rmatte> not sure why you can't just put them in the Linux class if they are snmp enabled
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:38] <rmatte> it's net-snmp, it should be all the same stuff
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:39] <bmac2> let me try
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:44] <bmac2> it should I agree
[17-Nov-2009 10:10:07] <rmatte> they might have been talking about not putting them in the /Server/SSH/Linux class, which I agree with
[17-Nov-2009 10:10:36] <rmatte> honestly, you can always just copy the /Server/Linux class to /Server/FreeBSD and then make any slight tweaks that you need
[17-Nov-2009 10:15:19] <rmatte> I'm surprised there isn't just a /Server/BSD class at this point
[17-Nov-2009 10:15:25] <bmac2> me too
[17-Nov-2009 10:15:35] <rmatte> I'm sure it wouldn't be overly difficult to do
[17-Nov-2009 10:15:43] <bmac2> and I am now trying to use the /server/ssh
[17-Nov-2009 10:15:46] <bmac2> and see if that works
[17-Nov-2009 10:15:58] <bmac2> all of my production boxes are freebsd
[17-Nov-2009 10:16:07] <bmac2> so if I figure out how to make this work
[17-Nov-2009 10:16:09] <bmac2> I will document it
[17-Nov-2009 10:16:23] <rmatte> sounds good
[17-Nov-2009 10:16:43] <rmatte> I used to use FreeBSD when I was first learning unix
[17-Nov-2009 10:16:54] <rmatte> used it for about 6 years, then switched over to Linux
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:03] <bmac2> I use both
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:08] <bmac2> linux for desktop
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:15] <bmac2> but the company I work for
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:23] <bmac2> we run all production boxes on freebsd vms
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:27] <rmatte> ah
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:36] <rmatte> so you're running Zenoss on a FreeBSD box?
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:42] <bmac2> nope
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:46] <bmac2> on a debian box
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:50] <rmatte> thank god, I was going to say...
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:51] <bmac2> as my monitoring machine
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:51] <rmatte> lol
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:58] <bmac2> I tried to install it on freebsd
[17-Nov-2009 10:18:01] <bmac2> it told me to get bent
[17-Nov-2009 10:18:15] <bmac2> no matter HOW many of the how to install it instructions I tried
[17-Nov-2009 10:18:51] <rmatte> almost everyone I've seen try a FreeBSD install comes in here with tons of issues, then when it's all finally sorted out, it'll run great for a few days then suddenly some daemon will die, then once that's figured out then eventually it's time to upgrade to a newer version and that's an entire new can of worms
[17-Nov-2009 10:19:10] * ErikRose goes worm-hunting again.
[17-Nov-2009 10:19:35] <rmatte> it's the whole building and upgrading from source that's tricky. Zenoss has a lot of components to it
[17-Nov-2009 10:19:37] <bmac2> well I am an old school debian person
[17-Nov-2009 10:19:48] <bmac2> I like debian based distros
[17-Nov-2009 10:19:55] <rmatte> we run Ubuntu servers for our Zenoss boxes and they run beautifully
[17-Nov-2009 10:19:59] <TBKDan> I have over 900 events on a particular device, is there any way I can delete all events at once through the gui in 2.4.5?
[17-Nov-2009 10:20:31] <rmatte> TBKDan: you mean selectively delete all events that belong to that one particular device?
[17-Nov-2009 10:20:39] <TBKDan> rmatte: Yes, I was just about to clarify
[17-Nov-2009 10:21:01] <rmatte> TBKDan: you basically want to move them all to history?
[17-Nov-2009 10:21:05] <TBKDan> "Select all" just selects the subset that is visible in that view of the event viewr
[17-Nov-2009 10:21:19] <TBKDan> rmatte: Yes, I don't care about them, I want them gone :P
[17-Nov-2009 10:21:21] <rmatte> TBKDan: no, select all literally selects all
[17-Nov-2009 10:21:29] <rmatte> you just don't see the rest of the events
[17-Nov-2009 10:21:31] <rmatte> but they are selected
[17-Nov-2009 10:22:01] <rmatte> I'd go to the device page, and click the events tab, so that you're only seeing events for that device
[17-Nov-2009 10:22:07] <rmatte> then select all, and move to history
[17-Nov-2009 10:22:13] <TBKDan> rmatte: Not from what I've seen... I've 'selected all" and clicked "Close selected events" and it only does the 25 that are visible
[17-Nov-2009 10:22:26] <rmatte> TBKDan: what browser are you using?
[17-Nov-2009 10:22:33] <TBKDan> rmatte: Firefox 3.5.5
[17-Nov-2009 10:22:50] <rmatte> hmmm, weird, select all works perfectly fine for me... one sec, I have an alternate solution for you...
[17-Nov-2009 10:23:17] <TBKDan> rmatte: Interesting tidbit: It does 100 at a time
[17-Nov-2009 10:23:37] <rmatte> 100 max?
[17-Nov-2009 10:23:55] <TBKDan> I just did Select all-> close and it did 100 both times
[17-Nov-2009 10:24:06] <rmatte> ah
[17-Nov-2009 10:24:06] <TBKDan> Judging by the "Displaying 1-21 of # events" in the bottom right
[17-Nov-2009 10:24:10] <TBKDan> Went from 934->834->734
[17-Nov-2009 10:24:21] <rmatte> it used to do that in the new event console too, but I think they fixed it in 2.5
[17-Nov-2009 10:24:42] <TBKDan> er, 2.5.0
[17-Nov-2009 10:24:46] <TBKDan> Is what I'm using
[17-Nov-2009 10:25:19] <rmatte> you can go in to zendmd and do: dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_deleteEvents('devicename')
[17-Nov-2009 10:25:24] <rmatte> then do: commit()
[17-Nov-2009 10:25:47] <TBKDan> So there's no way to do it in the UGI?
[17-Nov-2009 10:25:48] <TBKDan> GUI*
[17-Nov-2009 10:25:59] <rmatte> if you're limited to 100 then you're limited to 100
[17-Nov-2009 10:26:08] <rmatte> but if it's doing 100 at a time it'll only take you 9 times to clear it
[17-Nov-2009 10:26:11] <rmatte> so what's the huge deal?
[17-Nov-2009 10:26:12] <rmatte> lol
[17-Nov-2009 10:26:18] <TBKDan> Well that's interesting... I can't open zendmd :)
[17-Nov-2009 10:26:27] <rmatte> why not?
[17-Nov-2009 10:26:42] <TBKDan> ERROR ZODB.lock_file Error locking file /opt/zenoss/var/zeo1-1.zec.lock; pid=UNKNOWN
[17-Nov-2009 10:27:06] <bmac2> http://pastebin.ca/1675011 <--- rmatte new error I am seeing when I run model devices no matter what class they are in
[17-Nov-2009 10:27:13] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - zenoss error - post number 1675011 (at pastebin.ca)
[17-Nov-2009 10:27:43] <rmatte> TBKDan: stop zenoss, then delete /opt/zenoss/var/zeo1-1.zec
[17-Nov-2009 10:27:44] <bmac2> looks like I might should restart zenoss
[17-Nov-2009 10:27:47] <rmatte> then start zenoss again
[17-Nov-2009 10:28:18] <TBKDan> rmatte: Ah, there was also a zec.lock file in place as well
[17-Nov-2009 10:28:23] <rmatte> do you have the advanced detail back installed?
[17-Nov-2009 10:28:24] <TBKDan> Starting...
[17-Nov-2009 10:28:30] <rmatte> bmac2
[17-Nov-2009 10:28:39] <bmac2> yes?
[17-Nov-2009 10:28:47] <rmatte> [11:23am] <rmatte> do you have the advanced detail back installed?
[17-Nov-2009 10:28:52] <rmatte> device advanced detail
[17-Nov-2009 10:29:35] <rmatte> ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail
[17-Nov-2009 10:29:41] <rmatte> should be the name of the zenpack
[17-Nov-2009 10:29:44] <rmatte> check your zenpack list
[17-Nov-2009 10:29:44] <bmac2> let me check
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:05] <rmatte> if it's not installed then you need to search for any directory in $ZENHOME called ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail or similar and remove it
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:26] <bmac2> nope not installed
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:28] <rmatte> If it is installed I recommend reinstalling it overtop of itself
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:29] * ErikRose tries one of the virtual appliances to see if the Event Console works on those.
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:30] <rmatte> ok
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:36] <rmatte> so hunt down the directory called ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:38] <bmac2> when I do zenpack --list
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:52] <rmatte> there's some leftover directory from that pack that's causing you issues
[17-Nov-2009 10:31:44] <TBKDan> rmatte: Same error about unable to lock the file, and now zendmd is locked up... didn't exit out like it did before.
[17-Nov-2009 10:31:47] <bmac2> I am in the zenpack directory
[17-Nov-2009 10:31:52] <bmac2> and I don't see that package at all
[17-Nov-2009 10:32:25] <rmatte> TBKDan: are there any other zec files kicking around?
[17-Nov-2009 10:32:39] <TBKDan> rmatte: I did a rm *.zec and then removed the lock file
[17-Nov-2009 10:32:58] <rmatte> TBKDan: did you actually stop zenoss before doing that?
[17-Nov-2009 10:33:06] <TBKDan> rmatte: Yes
[17-Nov-2009 10:33:19] <rmatte> ok, then I have no idea what's wrong, your zope is misbehaving
[17-Nov-2009 10:33:49] <TBKDan> rmatte: Should there be a lock on Data.fs if zenoss is stopped?
[17-Nov-2009 10:34:01] <rmatte> bmac2: do an actually find in $ZENHOME
[17-Nov-2009 10:34:18] <rmatte> find $ZENHOME -name "*ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail*"
[17-Nov-2009 10:34:35] <rmatte> or as root: updatedb && locate ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail
[17-Nov-2009 10:34:58] <bmac2> find gave nothing
[17-Nov-2009 10:35:05] <bmac2> let me do the locate from root
[17-Nov-2009 10:35:09] <rmatte> TBKDan: I'm not sure, but zendmd shouldn't be complaining about a lock
[17-Nov-2009 10:35:23] <rmatte> TBKDan: I've never seen that before
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:17] <TBKDan> rmatte: Should the zeo1-1.zec.lock be created as soon as I start zenoss?
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:17] <bmac2> nope
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:20] <bmac2> no where to be found
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:23] <rmatte> bmac2: If you don't find anything then you need to install this ZenPack: docs/DOC-3452
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:26] <bmac2> I think I iwll just install that one
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:30] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Advanced Device Details (at community.zenoss.org)
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:34] <rmatte> bmac2: and then remove it afterwards if you wish
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:55] <rmatte> TBKDan: I'm not 100% sure, I don't generally pay attention to that
[17-Nov-2009 10:37:32] <rmatte> checking now...
[17-Nov-2009 10:38:52] <rmatte> I only see Z2.lock and Data.fs.lock on mine when I start Zenoss
[17-Nov-2009 10:38:58] <TBKDan> Hrm...
[17-Nov-2009 10:39:05] <rmatte> but I also never get zec files at all
[17-Nov-2009 10:39:40] <ErikRose> Woo, Zenoss virtual appliance appears to boot on Parallels, with a quick conversion trip through qemu-img.
[17-Nov-2009 10:39:51] <rmatte> possibly due to the modification to the zope config that I did: docs/DOC-2521
[17-Nov-2009 10:39:59] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - How to tweak zenoss (at community.zenoss.org)
[17-Nov-2009 10:40:05] <rmatte> ErikRose: cool
[17-Nov-2009 10:40:20] <ErikRose> Now I'll get to the bottom of my JS errors--by diff if necessary.
[17-Nov-2009 10:42:34] <rmatte> ok, I need to start working on something else (doing a mass deployment of a zenoss daemon that I wrote tonight and need to have everything prepped)
[17-Nov-2009 10:45:04] <bmac2> what is the package setuptools??? I keep getting an error now bitching about files in /usr/local/zenoss/python/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.4
[17-Nov-2009 10:45:13] <bmac2> is that a package left over from before?
[17-Nov-2009 10:45:50] <rmatte> bmac2: how did you install/upgrade Zenoss on that box?
[17-Nov-2009 10:46:02] <rmatte> stack-installer?
[17-Nov-2009 10:46:05] <bmac2> yes
[17-Nov-2009 10:46:09] <rmatte> ok, hmmm
[17-Nov-2009 10:46:12] <bmac2> used the apt-get upgrade
[17-Nov-2009 10:46:18] <bmac2> just like the instructions said to do
[17-Nov-2009 10:46:28] <bmac2> added the apt/sources.list entry
[17-Nov-2009 10:46:38] <bmac2> then upgraded from within Debian
[17-Nov-2009 10:47:08] <rmatte> setup-tools is a tool used when installing a ZenPack
[17-Nov-2009 10:47:37] <rmatte> what's the error now?
[17-Nov-2009 10:48:15] <bmac2> let me pastebin the errors from when I started zenoss again
[17-Nov-2009 10:48:38] <RoAkSoAx> hey guys, I was wondering what's the status of zenoss in debian based systems?
[17-Nov-2009 10:48:56] <rmatte> RoAkSoAx: it works better in debian based systems than most
[17-Nov-2009 10:49:14] <rmatte> RoAkSoAx: I run 11 Ubuntu Zenoss boxes and it runs very smoothly
[17-Nov-2009 10:49:33] <RoAkSoAx> rmatte, awesome, but there are not debian packages right?
[17-Nov-2009 10:49:50] <rmatte> RoAkSoAx: there's a .deb which is just the stack installed wrapped up in a debian package
[17-Nov-2009 10:49:50] <bmac2> http://pastebin.ca/1675045 <-- rmatte
[17-Nov-2009 10:49:59] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - zenoss startup error - post number 1675045 (at pastebin.ca)
[17-Nov-2009 10:50:01] <bmac2> there is the errors when I installed the zenpack
[17-Nov-2009 10:50:03] <rmatte> RoAkSoAx: just check the download section on the site
[17-Nov-2009 10:50:08] <bmac2> and then stopped and restarted zenoss
[17-Nov-2009 10:50:23] <rmatte> checking...
[17-Nov-2009 10:50:30] <RoAkSoAx> cool I'll check
[17-Nov-2009 10:50:30] <bmac2> it is long
[17-Nov-2009 10:50:54] <bmac2> rmatte be right back while you look, refill of coffee
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:00] <rmatte> eugh
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:04] <rmatte> unzip it before installing it
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:21] <RoAkSoAx> hey npmccallum long time no talk :)
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:25] <rmatte> the new Zenoss site auto-zips the packs
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:34] <rmatte> if it's a .egg.zip it needs to be unzipped before installing
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:36] <kobalt> rmatte: he did
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:42] <rmatte> oh you did
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:52] <rmatte> hadn't gotten that far, thought it was just all errors
[17-Nov-2009 10:52:04] <npmccallum> RoAkSoAx: hehe, it has been a while :)
[17-Nov-2009 10:52:23] <RoAkSoAx> npmccallum, yeah. how's everything going with you?
[17-Nov-2009 10:52:33] <kobalt> looks like he is missing ZenPacks.community.RDBMS
[17-Nov-2009 10:53:22] <npmccallum> RoAkSoAx: good, I work at Zenoss these days, as you can tell ;)
[17-Nov-2009 10:53:28] <rmatte> ok, so now you need to install the ZenPacks.community.RDBMS zenpack
[17-Nov-2009 10:54:13] <RoAkSoAx> npmccallum, yeah! I'm at the Ubuntu Dev Summit, as you can tell... it's been fun so far... I just got the idea of getting zenoss into the Ubuntu archives for Lucid
[17-Nov-2009 10:54:27] <npmccallum> please do :)
[17-Nov-2009 10:55:43] <RoAkSoAx> npmccallum, will do my best. I'll talk to you about that soon for some guidance!! ;)
[17-Nov-2009 10:55:48] <rmatte> bmac2: Install this pack now: docs/DOC-3447
[17-Nov-2009 10:55:50] <npmccallum> gladly
[17-Nov-2009 10:55:55] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - RDBMS Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[17-Nov-2009 10:56:00] <rmatte> bmac2: and just keep installing the packs it's complaining about until it starts
[17-Nov-2009 10:56:25] <rmatte> bmac2: it's like the packs are already installed but Zenoss doesn't know it
[17-Nov-2009 10:59:15] <ke4qqq> RoAkSoAx: I understand there are active efforts inside Zenoss to get it packaged for Ubuntu/Debian - might be worth an email to see if collaboration is an option
[17-Nov-2009 11:02:14] <RoAkSoAx> ke4qqq, will definitely do :)
[17-Nov-2009 11:02:41] <ErikRose> Aha, "zport" stands for "ZentinalPortal". Clever.
[17-Nov-2009 11:02:53] <rmatte> yeh it does lol
[17-Nov-2009 11:03:49] <rmatte> ok, time for me to write daemon configs for 11 boxes, afk for a few
[17-Nov-2009 11:04:00] <ErikRose> Have fun!
[17-Nov-2009 11:06:04] <bmac2> rmatte that rdbms one fixed it
[17-Nov-2009 11:06:11] <bmac2> no more errors when I start and stop zenoss
[17-Nov-2009 11:06:16] <bmac2> you are the man
[17-Nov-2009 11:06:16] <npmccallum> RoAkSoAx, ke4qqq: definitely talk to mray (on vacation). The difficulty thus far has been us requiring python 2.4. We're hoping to have that settled (via zope 2.12) in the Zenoss 3.0 release
[17-Nov-2009 11:09:07] <RoAkSoAx> npmccallum, I do believe that old python versions will continue to be supported in our next LTS (Lucid), tnhough I do not know if we'll keep python2.4
[17-Nov-2009 11:11:22] <ErikRose> Holy seagulls, the Event Console in the virtual appliance works.
[17-Nov-2009 11:11:25] <ErikRose> Now, to diff my brains out.
[17-Nov-2009 11:14:07] <Diddi> hi! when I'm trying to monitor osprocess "sshd" I get all instances of sshd, including "sshd: diddi[priv]" and such
[17-Nov-2009 11:14:38] <Diddi> when I delete those osprocesses, they'll return later after reboot or so... how do I get rid of them (:?
[17-Nov-2009 11:15:51] <ilejn3131> Guys, hello. Does PingPerf from Developers Guide exists as zenpack?
[17-Nov-2009 11:15:56] <Diddi> for security reasons I can't monitor the service (port 22) on all computers, and such I need to check for the osprocess instead
[17-Nov-2009 11:16:51] <kobalt> ok I am getting this error when I go to 1 device and click on the os tab, from what I can tell its the iproute for vlan128 but not sure how to remove that or fix this issue .... http://pastebin.ca/1675074
[17-Nov-2009 11:16:59] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Untitled - post number 1675074 (at pastebin.ca)
[17-Nov-2009 11:25:07] <davetoo1> hi
[17-Nov-2009 11:25:16] davetoo1 is now known as davetoo
[17-Nov-2009 11:26:03] <davetoo> I can't figure out how to un-do a hack I made :)
[17-Nov-2009 11:27:47] <gwb235> does the zProperty zSnmpMonitorIgnore have to be set to "False" to receive traps from a device?
[17-Nov-2009 11:28:14] <davetoo> george?
[17-Nov-2009 11:28:17] <davetoo> (gwb) :)
[17-Nov-2009 11:28:28] <gwb235> nope, it's greg
[17-Nov-2009 11:28:28] <kobalt> no that just tells it to poll the interface every X minutes or not
[17-Nov-2009 11:28:38] <davetoo> That's a good question,
[17-Nov-2009 11:28:44] <kobalt> it will still receive traps
[17-Nov-2009 11:29:53] <davetoo> The only way it could "not" receive traps is to reach into the event system and set some kind of ignore filter for them, I would think.
[17-Nov-2009 11:30:18] <gwb235> hmmm... sending traps but not seeing them in the event log... reading what/how to test setup
[17-Nov-2009 11:38:16] <kobalt> so is there anyway to remove a interface from the OS tab from zendmd, I cant get to it from the gui its throwing a error
[17-Nov-2009 11:41:50] <kobalt> any ideas?
[17-Nov-2009 12:00:35] <rmatte> kobalt: you can't do it via ZMI?
[17-Nov-2009 12:00:48] <kobalt> ZMI?
[17-Nov-2009 12:01:22] <kobalt> you mean going to host.com:8080/manage correct
[17-Nov-2009 12:01:30] <rmatte> put /manage after the regular Zenoss URL
[17-Nov-2009 12:01:35] <rmatte> yeh
[17-Nov-2009 12:01:45] <rmatte> well, no
[17-Nov-2009 12:01:51] <rmatte> it would be :8080/zport/dmd/manage
[17-Nov-2009 12:01:55] <rmatte> then you'd have to find the device
[17-Nov-2009 12:02:10] <kobalt> Im in there Im looking for 'Vlan128' in the os and Im not finding it I see Vlan-128
[17-Nov-2009 12:02:28] <kobalt> this is the error Im getting http://pastebin.ca/1675074
[17-Nov-2009 12:02:35] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Untitled - post number 1675074 (at pastebin.ca)
[17-Nov-2009 12:02:44] <rmatte> Vlan-128 is probably the object
[17-Nov-2009 12:02:54] <rmatte> just because it's not the exact same name doesn't mean anything in ZMI
[17-Nov-2009 12:03:05] <rmatte> the labels shown in the zenoss UI aren't going to be the exact name of the object
[17-Nov-2009 12:03:26] <kobalt> ok it wont let me click onit or delete it lol
[17-Nov-2009 12:04:38] <rmatte> putting a checkmark next to it and clicking delete doesn't work?
[17-Nov-2009 12:04:52] <kobalt> nope gives an error that it does not exist
[17-Nov-2009 12:05:02] <rmatte> why don't you just remove and re-add the device?
[17-Nov-2009 12:05:17] <rmatte> just unselect the checkboxes to delete data for the device so when you put it back it'll be basically the same as it was
[17-Nov-2009 12:05:30] <rmatte> but it'll re-discover the interfaces
[17-Nov-2009 12:06:00] <kobalt> was trying to avoid that but I think I will have to
[17-Nov-2009 12:06:27] <rmatte> at this point that's all I can suggest
[17-Nov-2009 12:06:39] <rmatte> if it's not seen as being a valid zope object then there's not really anything you can do with it
[17-Nov-2009 12:07:07] <kobalt> yeah
[17-Nov-2009 12:20:36] <davetoo> I can't figure out how to un-do a hack I made to the PerformanceConf view :(
[17-Nov-2009 13:58:26] <cgibbons> hmmmm
[17-Nov-2009 14:01:05] <ErikRose> I agree.
[17-Nov-2009 14:09:26] <zenethian> Indeed.
[17-Nov-2009 14:11:52] <chemist> zeno
[17-Nov-2009 14:12:02] <chemist> oops, wrong window
[17-Nov-2009 14:13:02] <davetoo> I figured it out
[17-Nov-2009 14:13:08] <davetoo> senility
[17-Nov-2009 14:13:28] <davetoo> The hack was in the DistributedCollector zenpack, not the base PerformanceConf code
[17-Nov-2009 14:14:43] <davetoo> What I was trying to do was ... I was getting tired of waiting for so long for the device list to populate, every time I wanted to look at a collector's daemon status or performance,
[17-Nov-2009 14:15:30] <davetoo> so I wanted to make something other than the Overview tab the default view; trouble is, just changing immediate_view dind't really work.
[17-Nov-2009 14:16:30] <boingolov> running zenoss 2.5, but have had this problem since at least as far back as 2.2.4 . when I open a browser from the machine zenoss is running on and go to http://localhost:8080 , I can click on the Device List and I get a lsit of the devices. If I do this from a remote machine, http://hostname:8080/ , it works as well. However, i have an apache instance in front for ssl and when I go to https://hostname/zenoss/ it will not wo
[17-Nov-2009 14:16:30] <boingolov> rk, the page comes up blank. no errors, just no results. the rest of the zenoss interface seems to work well, but for whatever reason this page dioesn't respond well
[17-Nov-2009 14:16:35] <boingolov> any thoughts on where to look for troubleshooting?
[17-Nov-2009 14:16:40] <davetoo> Any time I tried to do *anything*, e.g. make the page display more than the default 40 devices, it popped back to the new immediate_view (in this case the daemon performance graph page),
[17-Nov-2009 14:16:49] <adytum-bot> Title: Zope (at localhost:8080)
[17-Nov-2009 14:16:52] <boingolov> I can post my mod_proxy bits
[17-Nov-2009 14:16:58] <boingolov> on pastebin if anyone is interested
[17-Nov-2009 14:17:50] <boingolov> for whatever reason, whenever the ajax call goes back to the server it returns 0 results, but only when proxied via apache
[17-Nov-2009 14:18:18] <ErikRose> boingolov: I have sort of a similar problem, in that my Event Console has lots of JS errors and shows up broken and fairly blank on my actual server, but a virtual appliance install works fine, though making the exact same HTTP requests (modulo images fetched by the failing JS).
[17-Nov-2009 14:18:30] <ErikRose> boingolov: Have you checked for JS errors?
[17-Nov-2009 14:19:11] <boingolov> I'm seeing none, but one thing I had to do was to redirect /dmd/ as well, this is not at the root of my apache
[17-Nov-2009 14:19:17] <boingolov> err, /zport/
[17-Nov-2009 14:19:26] <boingolov> so I'm redirecting /zenoss/ and /zport/
[17-Nov-2009 14:19:29] <zenethian> have you tried tracing it with a packet watcher or a Firefox plugin like Firebug to watch the requests to make sure you're forwarding them all? I'm not real versed on the device list yet, so I dunno if there's something different about it.
[17-Nov-2009 14:19:43] <boingolov> I've watched firebug, that's how I know that the json request comes back with 0 rows
[17-Nov-2009 14:20:08] <zenethian> hmm
[17-Nov-2009 14:20:18] <ErikRose> boingolov: Is /zenoss your own invention? I forward /zport, /zenui, and /extjs. (THe last 2 are new in 2.5.)
[17-Nov-2009 14:20:33] <boingolov> ErikRose, yes, since in apache my / is already in use by another process
[17-Nov-2009 14:20:40] <boingolov> oh, hey
[17-Nov-2009 14:20:47] <boingolov> okay, maybe I need to forward those as well
[17-Nov-2009 14:21:00] <boingolov> /zenoss is my :8080/
[17-Nov-2009 14:21:10] <boingolov> brb, gonna attempt that
[17-Nov-2009 14:21:21] <ErikRose> Ah. I just send those 3 places to 8080.
[17-Nov-2009 14:22:02] <kobalt> anyone know if there is a way to change the time when zenoss drops event from the history database I know I can set a date but I would like it to do it at night when there is less use
[17-Nov-2009 14:22:44] <rmatte> kobalt: nope
[17-Nov-2009 14:22:52] <rmatte> there's no way to set a schedule for that
[17-Nov-2009 14:23:10] <boingolov> well, that got my event console back, but still no love on the device list
[17-Nov-2009 14:23:12] <chemist> anybody here using the HPMon zenpack?
[17-Nov-2009 14:23:24] <kobalt> rmatte: bleh, I have a lot of events thus is why I want to prune after 14 days hehe
[17-Nov-2009 14:24:11] <kobalt> might have to create a cronjob to do it
[17-Nov-2009 14:24:19] <bigegor> chemist: yes
[17-Nov-2009 14:25:14] <chemist> bigegor: I have installed the zenpack (and adv. details) restarted zenoss, added the collector plugins, remodelled
[17-Nov-2009 14:25:17] <chemist> but no dice
[17-Nov-2009 14:26:10] <chemist> I'm 2.5.0 btw
[17-Nov-2009 14:27:08] <bigegor> chemist: have you seen some errors by modeling?
[17-Nov-2009 14:27:17] <chemist> bigegor: no
[17-Nov-2009 14:29:07] <ErikRose> boingolov: I wish my Event Console would work. How did you install 2.5?
[17-Nov-2009 14:30:19] <chemist> bigegor: http://pastebin.ca/1675305
[17-Nov-2009 14:30:26] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Stuff - post number 1675305 (at pastebin.ca)
[17-Nov-2009 14:31:53] <ErikRose> All I can think of is that the JS fail for some odd reason, only on my production host.
[17-Nov-2009 14:33:50] <boingolov> ErikRose, this was an upgrade from 2.4.5
[17-Nov-2009 14:34:28] <boingolov> used the stack installer
[17-Nov-2009 14:34:57] <ErikRose> Me too. I upgraded from 2.3.3, by way of 2.4.5.
[17-Nov-2009 14:35:44] <ErikRose> Mine was an upgrade from a source install originally. Then I ran into my current problem and tried a stack install from scratch. Only took 4 hours to stomp all the bugs, and I still have the same problem.
[17-Nov-2009 14:37:06] <boingolov> ErikRose, heh, actually I went 2.2.4 -> 2.3.3 -> 2.4.5 -> 2.5
[17-Nov-2009 14:37:35] <boingolov> and yeah, I'm basically exactly where I started from, except I had those additional issues with the /zenui and /extjs
[17-Nov-2009 14:39:37] <boingolov> where would I find the zope access logs?
[17-Nov-2009 14:40:06] <boingolov> Z2.log ?
[17-Nov-2009 14:42:37] <davetoo> is the web access log, it seems
[17-Nov-2009 14:42:37] <boingolov> aha!
[17-Nov-2009 14:42:47] <boingolov> getting stack traces in zenactions.log
[17-Nov-2009 14:44:12] <ErikRose> boingolov: Which ones? I had to apply a patch.
[17-Nov-2009 14:44:30] <ErikRose> boingolov: zenpatch 15583 (https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/1602#Thenupgradefrom2.4.5to2.5.0)
[17-Nov-2009 14:46:37] <ErikRose> I wonder if I could downgrade to 2.4.
[17-Nov-2009 14:56:43] <cgibbons> hurm anyone a twill guru?
[17-Nov-2009 14:57:15] <ErikRose> cgibbons: I use it from time to time.
[17-Nov-2009 15:02:57] * ErikRose finally gives up an opens a ticket.
[17-Nov-2009 15:03:01] <ErikRose> ^d
[17-Nov-2009 15:09:36] <davetoo> Why would jsonGetDeviceNames return only a tiny fraction of the devices in my system?
[17-Nov-2009 15:10:25] <boingolov> davetoo, been having trouble with that myself, but seems to only happen with me when I'm using apache proxy, and when it fails it gives me 0 records
[17-Nov-2009 15:10:38] <boingolov> do you get the same error when you do http://localhost:8080/ ?
[17-Nov-2009 15:10:39] <adytum-bot> Title: Zope (at localhost:8080)
[17-Nov-2009 15:10:59] * zenethian blinks
[17-Nov-2009 15:11:10] <davetoo> well, no,
[17-Nov-2009 15:11:10] <zenethian> Someone needs to teach adytum not to respond to localhost requests.
[17-Nov-2009 15:11:14] <davetoo> heh
[17-Nov-2009 15:11:28] <davetoo> boingolov: it wouldn't show up there.
[17-Nov-2009 15:12:01] <davetoo> It manifests in the Graph Report edit tab, for one place
[17-Nov-2009 15:12:10] <davetoo> also in the big Device List
[17-Nov-2009 15:12:46] <davetoo> but if I look in the real organizers the devices are there
[17-Nov-2009 15:16:46] <ErikRose> zenethian: Aww, I thought it was a cool security hole. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:17:06] * zenethian coughs
[17-Nov-2009 15:17:30] <ErikRose> Next we could ask him to call manage_pack. ;-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:21:54] <davetoo> well, now I'm hacking zope through the zmi
[17-Nov-2009 15:21:59] <davetoo> probably destroy my system
[17-Nov-2009 15:22:10] <davetoo> I'm trying to update the deviceSearch catalog manually
[17-Nov-2009 15:22:21] <boingolov> whoo hoo! fixed it
[17-Nov-2009 15:22:27] <ErikRose> How how how?
[17-Nov-2009 15:22:41] <boingolov> well, it likely won't be relevant to you, but I'll post my rewrite rules just the same
[17-Nov-2009 15:22:55] <ErikRose> I'm at the end of my rope; I welcome anything.
[17-Nov-2009 15:23:32] <boingolov> http://pastebin.com/m4354134c
[17-Nov-2009 15:23:42] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[17-Nov-2009 15:23:57] <boingolov> this basically allows me to use https://myserver.com/zenoss/ to access zenoss
[17-Nov-2009 15:24:06] <boingolov> well thank you, adytum-bot ;)
[17-Nov-2009 15:24:29] * ErikRose reads.
[17-Nov-2009 15:24:46] <boingolov> I don't know if the ss part is necessary
[17-Nov-2009 15:24:46] * ErikRose compares.
[17-Nov-2009 15:25:08] <ErikRose> Where'd that come from?
[17-Nov-2009 15:25:34] <boingolov> I don't remember, heh
[17-Nov-2009 15:25:34] <ErikRose> I know my problem isn't Apache, though; I ssh tunnel in and get the same behavior.
[17-Nov-2009 15:25:47] <boingolov> I came up with the bulk of that a while ago, probably culled from various zope / apache frontend tutorials
[17-Nov-2009 15:25:49] <boingolov> yeah
[17-Nov-2009 15:25:52] <boingolov> mine was apache
[17-Nov-2009 15:25:54] <boingolov> and that fixed it
[17-Nov-2009 15:26:01] <ErikRose> I'm thinking it might be something in my config or Data.fs.
[17-Nov-2009 15:26:14] <ErikRose> I'm about to try loading a zenbackup onto the Virtual Appliance to see if I break it.
[17-Nov-2009 15:26:18] <davetoo> I think I found my problem, too
[17-Nov-2009 15:26:23] <boingolov> but the bit I was screwing up was that I was using _vh_zenoss for the zport / zenui / extjs bits
[17-Nov-2009 15:26:38] <boingolov> and it really needs to only be for the /zenoss/ bits
[17-Nov-2009 15:26:46] <ErikRose> Ah, No, you want that traversed. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:27:05] <boingolov> still fairly new to vhm
[17-Nov-2009 15:27:08] * davetoo doesn't understand traversal yet
[17-Nov-2009 15:27:08] <boingolov> zope in general
[17-Nov-2009 15:27:26] <ErikRose> A quick VHM guide I wrote, in case you ever need it: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/wiki/VirtualHostMonster
[17-Nov-2009 15:27:45] <davetoo> My problem seems to be related to changing the productionstate dictionary
[17-Nov-2009 15:28:05] <boingolov> have done a lot of grizzly things over the year with mod_rewrite and mod_proxy though, heh
[17-Nov-2009 15:28:32] <boingolov> but yeah, not sure if the ss is useful or not, saw it in a log, figured what the hey
[17-Nov-2009 15:28:33] <ErikRose> I spend most of my days in Plone, which is all about the grizzly RewriteRules. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:29:15] <davetoo> can either of you give me two minutes on zope permissionss? Wat means "Access transient Objects"?
[17-Nov-2009 15:29:45] <ErikRose> Where are you seeing that?
[17-Nov-2009 15:29:45] <davetoo> I"m trying to update the deviceSearch catalog by finding all of the Device objects
[17-Nov-2009 15:29:51] <davetoo> heh
[17-Nov-2009 15:30:06] <davetoo> ZCatalog at  /zport/dmd/Devices/deviceSearch
[17-Nov-2009 15:30:08] <davetoo> in the bowels
[17-Nov-2009 15:31:00] <ErikRose> I think transient objects are just temp objects, like in a TemporaryStorage.
[17-Nov-2009 15:31:08] <ErikRose> You shouldn't have to mess with them.
[17-Nov-2009 15:31:20] <ErikRose> In Plone, they're almost entirely session info.
[17-Nov-2009 15:31:28] <davetoo> I had a bunch of devices with a Production State that no longer has a mapping in the dictionary, and there's some code throwing an exception when it tries to, essentially, run None.lower
[17-Nov-2009 15:31:38] <ErikRose> Charming.
[17-Nov-2009 15:31:55] <ErikRose> So you need to update all your old devices' states?
[17-Nov-2009 15:32:08] <davetoo> well I put the mapping back
[17-Nov-2009 15:32:14] <ErikRose> That works too.
[17-Nov-2009 15:32:15] <ErikRose> :-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:32:16] <davetoo> but the catalog still can't find them all
[17-Nov-2009 15:32:31] <ErikRose> Did you try reindexing?
[17-Nov-2009 15:32:52] <boingolov> I have to say, I do like the new zenoss interface
[17-Nov-2009 15:33:00] <davetoo> I ran zenfixit
[17-Nov-2009 15:33:10] <davetoo> maybe I'll just simply reindex() it again
[17-Nov-2009 15:33:29] * davetoo crosses finger
[17-Nov-2009 15:33:51] <ErikRose> If devices are actually missing from the catalog, you might have to hit Clear and Rebuild. I'd back up first, though.
[17-Nov-2009 15:33:53] <boingolov> also, re device list, you might want to try setting production state
[17-Nov-2009 15:34:29] <davetoo> but I can't get to them to set them :)
[17-Nov-2009 15:34:40] <davetoo> The device list won't populate because the catalog bombs
[17-Nov-2009 15:34:48] <ErikRose> davetoo: Can you get to them through the ZMI?
[17-Nov-2009 15:35:10] <boingolov> oh
[17-Nov-2009 15:35:12] <ErikRose> Failing that, there's always zopectl debug or zendmd, if you're comfortable with Python.
[17-Nov-2009 15:35:14] <davetoo> The devices are there; I can get to them through any Organizer, e.g. the Devices tree,
[17-Nov-2009 15:35:24] <davetoo> ErikRose: I am
[17-Nov-2009 15:35:47] <davetoo> I found another state I'd unmapped
[17-Nov-2009 15:36:04] <ErikRose> If you can get in there and find the problem devices, maybe you can say someDevice.productionState = 'whatever' or some such thing.
[17-Nov-2009 15:36:06] <davetoo> guess I'll be more careful about that :)
[17-Nov-2009 15:36:23] <ErikRose> If they're Zope properties, that API is more of a pain. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:36:59] <davetoo> They are :)
[17-Nov-2009 15:37:05] <davetoo> keyedselection
[17-Nov-2009 15:37:16] <davetoo> but.. yes if I get desparate I'll write something with a device filter
[17-Nov-2009 15:37:23] <ErikRose> You're fine. Why are you asking me things? ;-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:37:51] <davetoo> heh, sometimes it takes that for the ideas to flow past the part of my brain that needs to see them
[17-Nov-2009 15:38:01] <ErikRose> I know how that is.
[17-Nov-2009 15:38:05] <ErikRose> <-- big fan of rubberducking
[17-Nov-2009 15:38:43] <davetoo> I did find the devfilter attribute for the organizer getDevice and getDeviceRecursive (or?) methods, which are very powerful
[17-Nov-2009 15:38:49] <davetoo> so if all else fails I'll use that
[17-Nov-2009 15:39:09] <davetoo> I wish that was exposed in the API rather than a simple regex/string match filter
[17-Nov-2009 15:39:15] <davetoo> erm, the GUI
[17-Nov-2009 15:39:24] <davetoo> maybe I'll make an Expert skin :)
[17-Nov-2009 15:39:39] <davetoo> with a "devfilter lambda" searchbox in the frame
[17-Nov-2009 15:39:48] <ErikRose> Sweet. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:40:09] <davetoo> arg, reindex() triggered the same exception.
[17-Nov-2009 15:41:54] * ErikRose sets about trashing his virtual appliance.
[17-Nov-2009 15:49:51] <ErikRose> Anyone know the zenoss MySQL password on the virtual appliance, offhand?
[17-Nov-2009 15:50:48] <ErikRose> nm
[17-Nov-2009 15:58:32] * ErikRose runs zenrestore and hits the dirt.
[17-Nov-2009 15:59:43] <davetoo> heh
[17-Nov-2009 16:00:04] <davetoo> well, this run of zenfixit is running for quite a bit longer, which is a good sign I guess
[17-Nov-2009 16:05:25] <ErikRose> So what's zenfixit do?
[17-Nov-2009 16:05:35] <zenethian> it fixes it.
[17-Nov-2009 16:05:43] <ErikRose> (he asks to pass the time while zenrestore hoses his v.a.)
[17-Nov-2009 16:05:43] <davetoo> hopefully :)
[17-Nov-2009 16:05:54] <zenethian> Sorry, I am worthless, I really don't know.
[17-Nov-2009 16:06:08] <ErikRose> Rah rah Parallels snapshots. That's all I have to say.
[17-Nov-2009 16:06:26] <davetoo> I don't know if it's out for Core; I got it from the Enterprise knowledge base.
[17-Nov-2009 16:06:46] <davetoo> DOes the reindixe() plus maintenance on all of the zope catalogs
[17-Nov-2009 16:06:53] <davetoo> and a bunch of other stuff :)
[17-Nov-2009 16:07:03] <davetoo> haven't really looked too closely yet.
[17-Nov-2009 16:07:36] <zenethian> Sorry, I am worthless, I really don't know.
[17-Nov-2009 16:07:36] <davetoo> w00t!
[17-Nov-2009 16:07:39] <zenethian> oops
[17-Nov-2009 16:07:42] <zenethian> stupid up key
[17-Nov-2009 16:07:53] * zenethian grumbles
[17-Nov-2009 16:08:05] <davetoo> Must have fixed it; my DeviceList went from 111 members to 753.
[17-Nov-2009 16:08:20] <ErikRose> Neato. Probably did a clear & rebuild.
[17-Nov-2009 16:08:56] <davetoo> maybe; I had to fix the production state dict before it would finish.
[17-Nov-2009 16:14:44] <ErikRose> Grr. zenrestore crashed with an i/o error.
[17-Nov-2009 16:16:47] <zenethian> Are you sure that you aren't like, using broken hardware?
[17-Nov-2009 16:17:02] <ErikRose> It's a Parallels VM....
[17-Nov-2009 16:17:08] <zenethian> Hmmm
[17-Nov-2009 16:17:32] <ErikRose> If any hardware's broken, it's got to be the server I pulled the backup off of.
[17-Nov-2009 16:17:47] <ErikRose> But that's got ECC RAM. I suppose it could still be an HD blip.
[17-Nov-2009 16:18:01] <ErikRose> But I'd expect to see things coring more often.
[17-Nov-2009 16:18:31] <zenethian> Yeah, plus I mean, I doubt the IO error would bridge across to a vm. :)
[17-Nov-2009 16:18:46] <zenethian> unless you have some spooky stuff going on
[17-Nov-2009 16:18:51] <ErikRose> Well, I could see bad data being written and then it blowing up on read, but I'd expect a different sort of error....
[17-Nov-2009 16:19:22] <zenethian> OooOOoOoo I am a ghoooost in your maaachineeee....aaaawwww craaaap... youuuu put me in a veee immmm...
[17-Nov-2009 16:19:28] <ErikRose> lol
[17-Nov-2009 16:19:33] <ErikRose> Thanks, I needed that today. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 16:19:50] <davetoo> a virtual ghost
[17-Nov-2009 16:19:56] <davetoo> how much more ephemeral can you get?
[17-Nov-2009 16:20:01] <zenethian> :-) I figure if I can't be actually helpful, I can at least make you laugh.
[17-Nov-2009 16:20:04] <ErikRose> A pretend virtual ghost?
[17-Nov-2009 16:20:15] <davetoo> a VG Template
[17-Nov-2009 16:20:23] <zenethian> So if you have virtual ghosts, do you need a host ghost too?
[17-Nov-2009 16:20:24] <davetoo> being V-motioned
[17-Nov-2009 16:20:42] <zenethian> <VirtualGhost:80>
[17-Nov-2009 16:20:43] <davetoo> in a snapshot
[17-Nov-2009 16:21:16] <ErikRose> Hmm, why the heck would repozo crash?
[17-Nov-2009 16:21:35] <ErikRose> Maybe it ran out of space on the device.
[17-Nov-2009 16:21:41] <ErikRose> I need to pack this junk.
[17-Nov-2009 16:22:11] <davetoo> For me it seems to grow right back within a day or so
[17-Nov-2009 16:22:19] <ErikRose> Well, mine's 4 GB.
[17-Nov-2009 16:22:52] <ErikRose> I think it's safe to say there's stuff in there I'm not using anymore. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 16:23:08] <davetoo> :)
[17-Nov-2009 16:24:52] <ErikRose> Anybody know how to expand an ext2 partition?
[17-Nov-2009 16:25:38] <ErikRose> Er, ext3, even
[17-Nov-2009 16:25:47] <davetoo> mkfs and cpio? :)
[17-Nov-2009 16:26:21] * ErikRose reads about resize2fs.
[17-Nov-2009 16:26:26] <ErikRose> I wonder if this v.a. uses LVM.
[17-Nov-2009 16:27:40] <ErikRose> Bah. /me packs his DB on production and takes a fresh backup.
[17-Nov-2009 16:27:42] <zenethian> expanding a partition is significantly easier than shrinking one.
[17-Nov-2009 16:28:21] <ErikRose> Makes sense
[17-Nov-2009 16:29:40] <ErikRose> Ahh, 200MB is much better. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 16:30:17] <zenethian> but my suggestion is apt-get install parted gparted
[17-Nov-2009 16:30:33] <ErikRose> I shall remember that for next time. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 16:36:00] <ErikRose> One more, this time with disk space!
[17-Nov-2009 16:36:18] <ErikRose> And tar warnings about time travel!
[17-Nov-2009 16:36:48] <ErikRose> Success!
[17-Nov-2009 16:47:59] <zenethian> I really love time travel.
[17-Nov-2009 16:50:02] <aclark> who doesn't? :-)
[17-Nov-2009 16:50:09] <ErikRose> Okay, got all the daemons up. Moment of truth...
[17-Nov-2009 16:50:37] <ErikRose> Annnnnd, the MySQL password is wrong. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 16:50:40] <ErikRose> UI draws, though.
[17-Nov-2009 16:51:14] <aclark> ErikRose: getting your 2.5 on over there?
[17-Nov-2009 16:51:19] <ErikRose> Trying!
[17-Nov-2009 16:55:03] <ErikRose> Funny, zenrestore didn't seem to put the RRD files in a place where Zope can find them.
[17-Nov-2009 16:55:29] <ErikRose> Yet here they all are, in perf/
[17-Nov-2009 16:55:41] * ErikRose checks his conf.
[17-Nov-2009 16:56:42] <ErikRose> Ah, a bunch of stuff was down due to the bad MySQL password.
[17-Nov-2009 16:58:35] <ErikRose> Shouldn't my device list go with a backup?
[17-Nov-2009 16:58:47] <ErikRose> The v.a. I did the restore onto has none of my hosts.
[17-Nov-2009 16:59:20] <ErikRose> For that matter, my reports aren't there either. This didn't work at all. :-P
[17-Nov-2009 16:59:50] <ErikRose> I'm going back to 2.4, even if I have to jettison a weekend's worth of data.
[17-Nov-2009 16:59:56] <zenethian> you sir, are having a lot of problems today.
[17-Nov-2009 17:00:02] <ErikRose> This has been an intense and unrewarding waste of 4 days.
[17-Nov-2009 17:00:25] <ErikRose> But at least I met some fun people. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 17:00:58] <aclark> ErikRose: sounds like Plone ;-)
[17-Nov-2009 17:01:06] <zenethian> I hate to ask a stupid and obvious question, but is your backup from 2.4 or 2.5?
[17-Nov-2009 17:01:11] <ErikRose> 2.5
[17-Nov-2009 17:01:19] <zenethian> ah ok
[17-Nov-2009 17:01:30] <ErikRose> aclark: Yeah, I kinda liked Zope and blamed all the usual problems on Plone, but now I think it might be inherent to the underlying system.
[17-Nov-2009 17:02:37] <ErikRose> Good night, all!
[17-Nov-2009 17:02:44] <zenethian> be well
[17-Nov-2009 17:03:21] <aclark> ErikRose: night!
[17-Nov-2009 17:03:31] <ErikRose> night!
[17-Nov-2009 18:11:07] <frustrated_zenos> I have Zenoss 2.3.2 running on an IBM Blade Server with 10gb of RAM. This blade server is multiplath attached to a SAN. This is not a distrubted collector enviroment. Zenoss is running on RHEL x86. I am having severe performance issues. This box runs the mysql db and mostlyl monitors routers and switches. The box pretty much does snmp polling, snmp traps and syslog from the routers and switches. I have about 1100 nodes
[17-Nov-2009 18:11:22] <frustrated_zenos> My problem lies in the fact that it takes forever to bring up a device. If I navigate to /network/router/cisco and choose a router it can take up to 10 minutes for the status page of the device to load. Now onnce the page loads I can bring up the os and perf tabs along with the graphs just fine. Anything I navigate strait to a nodes event tab is loads fast as well. Anything to do with the event console is fast, as well
[17-Nov-2009 18:11:37] <frustrated_zenos> I have had my unix admins and my company dba's look at the host os (RHEL) and MySQL. They have tuned each as far as they can. I think the problem lies within zope but I need some help, like bad.
[17-Nov-2009 18:11:37] <frustrated_zenos> any suggestions?
[17-Nov-2009 18:12:54] <frustrated_zenos> I know I need to upgrade but we are going through an enterprise monitoring project using zenoss. This install will utilize 3 collectors and have mysql running on a seperate box. However that is a couple of months away and I've been under the gun to find a fix for this issue.
[17-Nov-2009 18:15:11] <kobalt> frustrated_zenos: if you do a top what is your cpu id at
[17-Nov-2009 18:16:05] <frustrated_zenos> i never see cpu above 25 %
[17-Nov-2009 18:16:06] <kobalt> I actually monitor more devices, with less hardware 90% and it should be working fine
[17-Nov-2009 18:16:21] <frustrated_zenos> even while zenmodelere and zenperf are both running
[17-Nov-2009 18:16:41] <frustrated_zenos> I know, which is why I'm so confused. It should be MUCH faster.
[17-Nov-2009 18:17:29] <kobalt> from the zenoss user do a "tail -n2000 $ZENHOME/log/zenperfsnmp.log | grep -i cycle" and tell me what it says
[17-Nov-2009 18:18:12] <frustrated_zenos> I'm gonna have to drop irc to vpn in to tell ya. Anything else you might want me to snag while i'm out?
[17-Nov-2009 18:18:34] <kobalt> um let me think a sec
[17-Nov-2009 18:18:50] <kobalt> you are doing default snmp perf?
[17-Nov-2009 18:18:56] <frustrated_zenos> i'll get a top snap shot, a free -o etc
[17-Nov-2009 18:19:25] <frustrated_zenos> yes 300 cycle intervall something like 90K it finishes in time
[17-Nov-2009 18:19:47] <frustrated_zenos> i have zenmodeler, zenwin, and zeneventlog turned off
[17-Nov-2009 18:19:49] <kobalt> are you accessing the via a local interface or throught a firewall
[17-Nov-2009 18:20:33] <frustrated_zenos> non firewalled conection, i seem to recall trying via vnc on the server but I should try again to see.
[17-Nov-2009 18:20:49] <frustrated_zenos> and it was same on the local box
[17-Nov-2009 18:20:59] <kobalt> ok
[17-Nov-2009 18:21:23] <frustrated_zenos> it's like there is some kind of db lock, but if i run zope zenhub zeo with -v10 i don't see any db locks or time waits
[17-Nov-2009 18:21:33] <kobalt> the only other thing would be to see if there is a process stuck in mysql
[17-Nov-2009 18:21:54] <gwb235> response to earlier: gwb235: hmmm... sending traps but not seeing them in the event log... reading what/how to test setup
[17-Nov-2009 18:21:56] <frustrated_zenos> it was my understanding that mysql did not hold the nodes device details
[17-Nov-2009 18:22:03] <frustrated_zenos> that was zope db
[17-Nov-2009 18:22:14] <kobalt> try this mysqladmin -uUSER -pPASS processlist
[17-Nov-2009 18:22:30] <kobalt> the devices are stored in the zope db
[17-Nov-2009 18:22:41] <gwb235> restarted zentrap daemon: cornea_zentrap restart -v 10
[17-Nov-2009 18:22:54] <frustrated_zenos> also to note that when i stop and restart mysql it does not help.
[17-Nov-2009 18:22:55] <gwb235> noticed the traps were being sent from the device with 127.0.0.1 as the device
[17-Nov-2009 18:23:04] <gwb235> fixed that on the device, and everything is happy now
[17-Nov-2009 18:23:55] <gwb235> and i wrote my first event transforms to show summary information that's useful instead of just "snmpTrap InformationDevice received"
[17-Nov-2009 18:23:58] <frustrated_zenos> zeopack runs as scheduled just fine
[17-Nov-2009 18:24:10] <frustrated_zenos> heck even if i turn off zenperf it doesn't help
[17-Nov-2009 18:24:36] <frustrated_zenos> i get maybe a minute or so of responsiveness upon a zenoss restart
[17-Nov-2009 18:25:37] <kobalt> also you can try to compact the zope db from the zenoss user zeopack.py -p 8100
[17-Nov-2009 18:26:06] <frustrated_zenos> while zenoss is running is ok correct?
[17-Nov-2009 18:26:14] <kobalt> yes
[17-Nov-2009 18:27:09] <davetoo> is this a PAE kernel?
[17-Nov-2009 18:27:41] <frustrated_zenos> okay i'm gonna go gather that data and kick off the zeopack
[17-Nov-2009 18:27:44] <frustrated_zenos> bbiab
[17-Nov-2009 18:28:00] <kobalt> also grab a uname -a
[17-Nov-2009 18:28:11] <frustrated_zenos> thank you kobalt, i'm taking detailed notes of what's been done, if I don't get this fixed soon it's gonna be ugly.
[17-Nov-2009 18:28:55] <frustrated_zenos> global multi million dollar company, i still can't figure out why that they won't pony up for zenos ent if they are placing so much importance on it.
[17-Nov-2009 18:29:05] <frustrated_zenos> ugh, i've said too much anyways /rant
[17-Nov-2009 18:29:08] <kobalt> frustrated_zenos: I understand the frustrations I have about 1600 switches on mine, have a new server on the way
[17-Nov-2009 18:29:49] <frustrated_zenos> okay i'll bbiab
[17-Nov-2009 18:31:54] <davetoo> He (?) should perhaps try pasting in the url of a different tab for the first view of the device
[17-Nov-2009 18:32:01] cgibbons_ is now known as cgibbons
[17-Nov-2009 18:32:57] <davetoo> It would be interesting to have a "debug" page template that made id obvious which content came from where, or at elast which was "dynamic"
[17-Nov-2009 18:33:15] <davetoo> I've been spending a lot of time with the firefox DOM inspector tool lately
[17-Nov-2009 18:33:50] <davetoo> and then the code :) (css, page templates, model python code)(
[17-Nov-2009 18:34:52] <kobalt> sounds fun
[17-Nov-2009 18:35:22] <davetoo> was hacking the skin colors and images
[17-Nov-2009 18:35:48] <kobalt> hehe thats like number 20005 on my list of things hehe
[17-Nov-2009 18:36:09] <davetoo> well, the New Regime around work likes appearances,
[17-Nov-2009 18:36:17] <kobalt> I know how that is
[17-Nov-2009 18:36:36] <kobalt> thankfully my company likes the default
[17-Nov-2009 18:36:39] <davetoo> so for the "go-live" announcement I thought I'd change it to the company colors and such
[17-Nov-2009 18:37:13] <davetoo> thought I'm not acually allowed to put our logo in it, because I can't meet the spacing requirements
[17-Nov-2009 18:37:33] <davetoo> I don't know who we hired, but I have to fill out a request form to be able to get a .gif of the logo
[17-Nov-2009 18:37:43] <davetoo> we're being Branded :)
[17-Nov-2009 18:38:04] <kobalt> lol
[17-Nov-2009 18:38:06] <davetoo> They want Internal documents to look like external documents
[17-Nov-2009 18:38:09] <davetoo> drives me crazy
[17-Nov-2009 18:38:54] <davetoo> I don't need preppy-geeks in sweaters holding equipment, people who don't even work here, on the cover of my tech documents.
[17-Nov-2009 18:39:08] <davetoo> or flowers or penguins or all the other shit
[17-Nov-2009 18:39:09] <kobalt> I hear that
[17-Nov-2009 18:39:16] <davetoo> ")
[17-Nov-2009 20:17:30] <davetoo> oubiwan doesn't live here anymore
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[18-Nov-2009 00:07:05] <Diddi> this night we had a computer that our zenoss couldn't access anymore. which means that I got events for each process being down, each service etc.. this also generated a bunch of e-mails (one for each event)
[18-Nov-2009 00:07:20] <Diddi> is it possible to make zenoss page/mail only once? or something
[18-Nov-2009 00:07:54] <Diddi> waking up in the middle of the night because of 15 sms doesn't make me all too happy (:
[18-Nov-2009 00:46:28] <davetoo> heh
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[18-Nov-2009 04:39:49] <Troubadix09> hi all
[18-Nov-2009 06:36:26] <ilejn> Hello
[18-Nov-2009 06:37:36] <ilejn> I am reading Developer's Guide ... is it possible to obtain PingPerf described in chapter 11?
[18-Nov-2009 06:38:08] <ilejn> Or it is just an example and does not exist in nature?
[18-Nov-2009 06:39:07] <ilejn> The problem is I need a starting point for my own plugin ...
[18-Nov-2009 06:39:40] <ilejn> Any suggestions may be?
[18-Nov-2009 07:34:46] <ilejn> Hello.
[18-Nov-2009 07:35:10] <ilejn> I am trying to figure out if I need my own modeler/collector.
[18-Nov-2009 07:35:23] <ilejn> Could anyone help me please.
[18-Nov-2009 07:39:11] <ckrough> morning
[18-Nov-2009 07:42:47] <ckrough> When I look at my config cycle times, zencommand is way larger than the others. Is there a way to see what is actually using zencommand? We dont use it much.
[18-Nov-2009 08:21:34] jrock2004_ is now known as jrock2004
[18-Nov-2009 08:27:25] <aclark> morning
[18-Nov-2009 08:29:12] <Troubadix09> afternoon (in germany :)
[18-Nov-2009 08:37:03] <cgibbons> woot
[18-Nov-2009 08:40:31] <cgibbons> still there, ilejn?
[18-Nov-2009 08:43:58] <jrock2004> cgibbons: Did you ever find out about svn monitoring with Zenoss?
[18-Nov-2009 08:44:12] <cgibbons> well I forgot about it! i'll look right now :-)
[18-Nov-2009 08:46:04] <ilejn> Yep ;)
[18-Nov-2009 08:46:31] <jrock2004> thanks
[18-Nov-2009 08:47:22] <cgibbons> ilejn: i might be able to help answer the modeler/collector question you had. i'll try anyway.
[18-Nov-2009 08:47:52] <ilejn> I've found a PDF from Jane Curry "Creating Zenoss ZenPacks". Busy reading. Looks like it answers some of my questions.
[18-Nov-2009 08:48:04] <cgibbons> so it looks like we monitored the host, and the apache service we were using, jrock2004, but not svn itself.
[18-Nov-2009 08:48:26] <jrock2004> ok cool
[18-Nov-2009 08:48:28] <jrock2004> thank you
[18-Nov-2009 08:48:56] <jrock2004> I was trying to find the site on zenoss where I can submit a ticket about the hw make and model issue in 2.5
[18-Nov-2009 08:57:05] <ilejn> Anyway, my job is to create monitoring for system I developed. As 'out of the box' as possible.
[18-Nov-2009 08:57:37] <ilejn> The system itself is SNMOaware and provides a lot of data.
[18-Nov-2009 08:58:21] <ilejn> My current question is it enough to create just object.xml for these metrics, or I need something more.
[18-Nov-2009 09:18:45] <ilejn> Is there a way to include a particular device to zenpack?
[18-Nov-2009 09:44:23] <ErikRose> Hey rmatte, remember that Event Console JS mess I was sorting through yesterday?
[18-Nov-2009 09:44:38] <ErikRose> Well, I just happened to bring up the Console in Safari, and it works like a champ.
[18-Nov-2009 09:44:49] <ErikRose> Still a mess in FF. Weird!
[18-Nov-2009 09:45:40] <ErikRose> Works in OmniWeb, too, when I spoof the user agent. :-)
[18-Nov-2009 09:55:53] <rmatte> ah
[18-Nov-2009 09:55:55] <rmatte> that is weird
[18-Nov-2009 09:56:06] <rmatte> never seen anything like that
[18-Nov-2009 09:56:24] <ErikRose> I'm actually opening a ticket, now that I'm in a good mood. :-)
[18-Nov-2009 09:56:47] <rmatte> I deployed my Zenoss daemon to all our prod boxes last night, so far so good but it still has a bug in it where it can crash occasionally, I'll be patching it and updating everything next Tuesday (woot)
[18-Nov-2009 09:56:52] <rmatte> hehe
[18-Nov-2009 09:57:32] <ErikRose> Congrats!
[18-Nov-2009 09:57:51] <rmatte> thanks
[18-Nov-2009 09:57:53] <ErikRose> I can finally sit down and write my HTTPS cert expiration sniffer and a more tolerant HttpMonitor now.
[18-Nov-2009 09:58:01] <rmatte> nice
[18-Nov-2009 09:58:10] <rmatte> HttpMonitor isn't that bad I find
[18-Nov-2009 09:58:45] <ErikRose> I wasn't able to use it in practice; sometimes our sockets time out due to network gremlins or something, and it skirts around escalations in that case, throwing a Critical the first tim.
[18-Nov-2009 09:59:06] <ErikRose> It cried wolf so much that I just started ignoring its events.
[18-Nov-2009 10:01:17] <rmatte> ah
[18-Nov-2009 10:01:25] <rmatte> I haven't had any issues with it really
[18-Nov-2009 10:12:49] <rmatte> eugh, any MySQL experts here?
[18-Nov-2009 10:12:54] <rmatte> I need to apparently set thread_cache = 16
[18-Nov-2009 10:12:54] <rmatte> query_cache_size = 64M
[18-Nov-2009 10:12:54] <rmatte> innodb_buffer_pool_size = 512M
[18-Nov-2009 10:12:54] <rmatte> innodb_additional_mem_pool_size = 50M
[18-Nov-2009 10:12:54] <rmatte> innodb_flush_log_at_trx_commit = 2
[18-Nov-2009 10:12:58] <rmatte> bah
[18-Nov-2009 10:13:00] <rmatte> one sec
[18-Nov-2009 10:13:08] <rmatte> TransactionDeadlockDetectionTimeout
[18-Nov-2009 10:13:13] <rmatte> I need to set that option somewhere
[18-Nov-2009 10:13:35] <rmatte> just don't know which file to put it in, first instinct was my.cnf but it doesn't look like it would go in there
[18-Nov-2009 10:14:03] <ErikRose> config.ini, I think
[18-Nov-2009 10:14:07] <rmatte> ah
[18-Nov-2009 10:14:53] <rmatte> that doesn't appear to exist for the MySQL server that comes with Zenoss
[18-Nov-2009 10:15:03] <ErikRose> grep -r time :-)
[18-Nov-2009 10:17:34] <rmatte> guess I'll need to code something in to my daemon to have it ignore MySQL locking errors and continue
[18-Nov-2009 10:17:53] <ErikRose> Eek. What kind of locking errors?
[18-Nov-2009 10:17:57] <rmatte> I get a backtrace occasionally to: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction
[18-Nov-2009 10:18:05] <rmatte> very occasionally
[18-Nov-2009 10:18:08] <ErikRose> Can you hold the lock for not so long?
[18-Nov-2009 10:18:11] <rmatte> like once in a blue moon
[18-Nov-2009 10:18:36] <rmatte> all I'm doing is zendmd functions, I'm not actually directly working with MySQL
[18-Nov-2009 10:18:44] <ErikRose> Ah.
[18-Nov-2009 10:18:52] <ErikRose> If we were using a decent DB with MVCC, we wouldn't have this problem. :-)
[18-Nov-2009 10:18:55] <rmatte> so I'm surprised that I'm even having this issue
[18-Nov-2009 10:19:20] <rmatte> the error only comes once in a blue moon too and I lost my last backtrace
[18-Nov-2009 10:19:34] <rmatte> I want to add a try except pass to my script but I don't want it to just be except: pass
[18-Nov-2009 10:19:41] <rmatte> it needs to be except <errortype>: pass
[18-Nov-2009 10:19:50] <ErikRose> Good practice.
[18-Nov-2009 10:20:01] <rmatte> so I need to script to crash so that I can determine the appropriate error type
[18-Nov-2009 10:20:06] <ErikRose> hehe
[18-Nov-2009 10:20:13] <rmatte> I have a non-daemonized version of the script running in the foreground in a screen session
[18-Nov-2009 10:20:19] <rmatte> so hopefully it'll crash at some point
[18-Nov-2009 10:20:44] <rmatte> (not a phrase that you hear often)
[18-Nov-2009 10:21:01] <ErikRose> Nothing's worse than an error that goes away on its own.
[18-Nov-2009 10:21:22] <rmatte> yeh, well it happens fairly rarely...
[18-Nov-2009 10:21:58] <rmatte> like, I had my daemon running for 9 hours yesterday and after about 9 hours it finally crashed
[18-Nov-2009 10:22:11] <ErikRose> ugh
[18-Nov-2009 10:22:29] <rmatte> I need to implement proper logging in to the daemon right now, I just have some makeshift logging implemented at the moment
[18-Nov-2009 10:22:46] <rmatte> I tried importing logging and using it but it wasn't playing nice
[18-Nov-2009 10:31:36] <skipzoid> hello all
[18-Nov-2009 10:35:08] <skipzoid> no-one here then
[18-Nov-2009 10:35:26] <rmatte> there are a few people here, we just aren't glued to the screen as it were
[18-Nov-2009 10:36:42] <rmatte> ah, I think I just found the error type
[18-Nov-2009 10:36:44] <rmatte> OperationalError
[18-Nov-2009 10:37:13] <rmatte> hmmm, could be ZenBackendFailure too
[18-Nov-2009 10:40:19] <rmatte> aha, I can do both, perfect
[18-Nov-2009 10:40:26] <ErikRose> sure
[18-Nov-2009 10:40:47] <ErikRose> And you can be even more specific if you need to be; if you need to check something and conditionally re-raise the error, just a naked "raise" will do.
[18-Nov-2009 10:40:52] <rmatte> except (OperationalError, ZenBackendFailure):
[18-Nov-2009 10:41:04] <rmatte> this should be good enough
[18-Nov-2009 10:45:59] <skipzoid> heheh - didnt want to ask a lengthly question if no-one was here to read it :) - I am receiving a trap from an HP procurve switch and in the message it is recorded as - snmp trap hpSwitch1600.2 - when I click on the details it shows I 11/18/09 10:31:20 ports: port 5 is now off-line which is actually the info I'd like to see in the message columb if possible
[18-Nov-2009 10:54:21] <ckrough> anyone know what this does for zenhub:
[18-Nov-2009 10:54:22] <ckrough> # Allow any priority job to run on any
[18-Nov-2009 10:54:22] <ckrough> # worker, default: False
[18-Nov-2009 10:54:23] <ckrough> #anyworker False
[18-Nov-2009 11:00:59] <skipzoid> i poll a server on the internet using its dynamic dns name, unfortunatly its IP changes several times a day - and so I get a lot of fault reports than its down when really all that has happened is the Ip has again changed - so I goto manage then reset IP - remove the IP that is in there leaving it blank which makes zenoss re-look it up via dns, is there way to make it do this for its self?
[18-Nov-2009 11:28:26] <rmatte> skipzoid: what exactly are you monitoring on this device?
[18-Nov-2009 11:29:10] <rmatte> skipzoid: and for your first question, you need to read up on event transforms
[18-Nov-2009 11:37:28] <paul___> Hello.
[18-Nov-2009 11:38:06] <paul___> I recently installed 2.5.0 on a new server as an upgrade from 2.2. Everything is working EXCEPT the event history.
[18-Nov-2009 11:38:54] <paul___> No matter what I do, I cant get events to display in the history. Once they are cleared from the consle they dissapear completely.
[18-Nov-2009 11:39:29] <paul___> Any ideas on where to start? i have been chcking the community site for the past few days and havent found an answer.
[18-Nov-2009 11:40:25] <rmatte> paul___: you're sure it's not an issue with what severities you've selected to view or something?
[18-Nov-2009 11:41:16] <paul___> yea, I have all the sevs checked off and all the status boxes checked as well.
[18-Nov-2009 11:41:30] <paul___> My install was via the stack .bin
[18-Nov-2009 11:41:44] <paul___> I know the events are in the history table
[18-Nov-2009 11:42:33] <paul___> I can also pull event details from the zendmd
[18-Nov-2009 11:48:18] <paul___> interestingly enough, zendmd lists the deletedTime as 5 hrs before the database
[18-Nov-2009 11:48:37] <paul___> ex: mysql record shows deletedTime as - 2009-11-18 12:45:41
[18-Nov-2009 11:48:59] <paul___> zendmd lists it as deletedTime 2009/11/18 07:45:41.000
[18-Nov-2009 11:51:48] <paul___> ok, i know what is going on now...must be a browser cache problem. I just tried with IE vs. firefox and now I have event history.
[18-Nov-2009 11:52:03] <paul___> last night it didnt work, but now it is.
[18-Nov-2009 11:56:35] <paul___> anyone see similar issues with Firefox?
[18-Nov-2009 11:57:09] <ErikRose> paul___: I have a slightly similar issue, where the Console won't draw very well in Firefox but works everywhere else. http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/5833
[18-Nov-2009 12:00:44] <paul___> where did you enable the js trapping in firefox?
[18-Nov-2009 12:01:02] <ErikRose> In firebug's panel, on the context menu on the Scripts tab.
[18-Nov-2009 12:46:08] <rmatte> firefox works fine for me with the event console
[18-Nov-2009 12:48:05] <ErikRose> Lucky you. :-)
[18-Nov-2009 12:48:36] <ErikRose> It works fine for me on the virtual appliance, too. I don't know what difference my stack install brings.
[18-Nov-2009 12:49:01] <ErikRose> Nothing obvious except that the JS fails. I haven't diffed the on-disk stuff yet because it's all moved around.
[18-Nov-2009 13:00:14] <ckrough> ok, so Im setting up zenoss to use two FusionIO drives in a RAID0, and the new bottleneck is zenhub. running it with 7 workers, but it really only makes use of two
[18-Nov-2009 13:00:20] <ckrough> any suggestions for making zenhub faster?
[18-Nov-2009 13:00:35] <ckrough> we're cpu bound at this point
[18-Nov-2009 13:22:00] <paul___> ErikRose - I just installed firebug to see if I had the same errors appear. None so far, but the event history still isnt loading the results. strange.
[18-Nov-2009 13:22:15] <paul___> rmatte - what version of Firefox are you using?
[18-Nov-2009 13:24:49] <ErikRose> paul___: For the event history, I'd first suspect that AJAX call that happens after you load the page. getUserSomethingOrOther().
[18-Nov-2009 13:25:30] <paul___> agreed. odd that it works in the event console but not the event history
[18-Nov-2009 13:25:40] <rmatte> 3.5.5
[18-Nov-2009 13:25:43] <ErikRose> That is odd.
[18-Nov-2009 13:25:55] <ErikRose> What's the response? Is it returning a valid-looking piece of JSON at least?
[18-Nov-2009 13:26:19] <ErikRose> Boy, the people in here are so clueful. THis is refreshing!
[18-Nov-2009 13:28:32] <aclark> ErikRose: Yeah!
[18-Nov-2009 13:31:04] <paul___> here is a POST: {"action":"EventConsole","method":"query","data":[{"start":0,"limit":100,"dir":"ASC","sort":"eventState","params":"{\"eventState\":[0,1,2],\"severity\":[5,4,3,2,1,0]}"}],"type":"rpc","tid":163,"asof":1258572635.175854}
[18-Nov-2009 13:31:22] <paul___> here is the response: {"action": "EventConsole", "result": {"totalCount": 0, "events": []}, "tid": 163, "type": "rpc", "method": "query", "asof": 1258572638.8504961}
[18-Nov-2009 13:31:31] <ErikRose> Huh, so it's claiming 0 results.
[18-Nov-2009 13:31:35] <paul___> yea
[18-Nov-2009 13:32:09] <ErikRose> And are all those filter criteria in "params" things you meant to limit on?
[18-Nov-2009 13:32:23] * ErikRose wonders what tid is.
[18-Nov-2009 13:32:41] <paul___> I checked all the boxes for status and sev
[18-Nov-2009 13:32:55] <ErikRose> Yeah, those look all-inclusive.
[18-Nov-2009 13:33:45] <paul___> here is a post from the event console: {"action":"EventConsole","method":"query","data":[{"start":0,"limit":100,"dir":"ASC","sort":"eventState","params":"{\"eventState\":[0,1,2],\"severity\":[5,4,3,2,1,0]}"}],"type":"rpc","tid":12,"asof":1258572801.653494}
[18-Nov-2009 13:34:21] <chemist> is there a way of extracting location data from one instance of zenoss and loading it into a fresh install?
[18-Nov-2009 13:34:47] <paul___> Looking at the two POSTs I am curious how it knows to look at the console vs. history.
[18-Nov-2009 13:35:56] <paul___> TID increments with each POST
[18-Nov-2009 13:36:08] <cgibbons> zendump -R /zport/dmd/Locations --ignore --devices --ignore instances -o mylocations.xml will get you your locations
[18-Nov-2009 13:38:12] <chemist> and to upload them?
[18-Nov-2009 13:39:28] <cgibbons> zenload -i mylocations.xml
[18-Nov-2009 13:40:36] <chemist> many thanks
[18-Nov-2009 13:40:41] <cgibbons> paul__, erik: ian is our eventconsole guru if you want to throw out some info again.
[18-Nov-2009 13:41:12] <ErikRose> Ah, hello, iancmcc!
[18-Nov-2009 13:41:21] <iancmcc> Yo.
[18-Nov-2009 13:41:44] <ErikRose> My stuff is pretty well documented on http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/5833, so I'll let paul___ drive unless you have any questions for me.
[18-Nov-2009 13:42:23] <paul___> Hi there. I am trying figure out why the event console works in Firefox, but the event history doesnt load any results. Using Eriks suggestion, I installed firebug to observe the communication to/from the server.
[18-Nov-2009 13:42:36] <iancmcc> history loads /no/ results?
[18-Nov-2009 13:42:42] <paul___> correct.
[18-Nov-2009 13:42:44] <iancmcc> Also, just assuming: browser cache cleared?
[18-Nov-2009 13:42:57] <paul___> yes.
[18-Nov-2009 13:43:12] <paul___> here is an example of the POST communication I am seeing.
[18-Nov-2009 13:43:12] <iancmcc> Only because we of course develop the thing in Firefox, so I'm fairly confident it works barring an edge case.
[18-Nov-2009 13:43:46] <paul___> ex from console: {"action":"EventConsole","method":"query","data":[{"start":0,"limit":100,"dir":"ASC","sort":"eventState","params":"{\"eventState\":[0,1,2],\"severity\":[5,4,3,2,1,0]}"}],"type":"rpc","tid":131,"asof":1258573396.554157}
[18-Nov-2009 13:43:58] <iancmcc> yep.
[18-Nov-2009 13:44:03] <paul___> with the response: {"action": "EventConsole", "result": {"totalCount": 0, "events": []}, "tid": 131, "type": "rpc", "method": "query", "asof": 1258573401.55761}
[18-Nov-2009 13:44:30] <paul___> ex from event history: {"action":"EventConsole","method":"query","data":[{"start":0,"limit":100,"dir":"ASC","sort":"severity","params":"{\"eventState\":[0,1,2],\"severity\":[5,4,3,2,1,0]}"}],"type":"rpc","tid":7,"asof":1258573455.511338}
[18-Nov-2009 13:44:44] <paul___> with the response: {"action": "EventConsole", "result": {"totalCount": 0, "events": []}, "tid": 7, "type": "rpc", "method": "query", "asof": 1258573458.275162}
[18-Nov-2009 13:45:01] <iancmcc> Right, all looks normal. This problem will likely have nothing to do with the client.
[18-Nov-2009 13:45:04] <paul___> now when I check history in IE, I get plenty of items and know they are there.
[18-Nov-2009 13:45:20] <iancmcc> Hmm.
[18-Nov-2009 13:45:29] * chemist thinks pastebin is a great tool
[18-Nov-2009 13:45:33] <paul___> between the two POSTS how does it differentiate between console and history?
[18-Nov-2009 13:45:52] <iancmcc> It does it server-side
[18-Nov-2009 13:46:47] <iancmcc> based on HTTP_REFERER and the context of the request
[18-Nov-2009 13:46:59] <paul___> i see, the url is different
[18-Nov-2009 13:47:10] <ckrough> Im setting up zenoss to use two FusionIO drives in a RAID0, and the new bottleneck is zenhub. running it with 7 workers, but it really only makes use of two
[18-Nov-2009 13:47:13] <ckrough> any suggestions for making zenhub faster?
[18-Nov-2009 13:47:17] <ckrough> we're cpu bound at this point
[18-Nov-2009 13:47:59] <paul___> i am stumped. History is loading in IE.
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:01] rhettardo_ is now known as rhettardo
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:13] <rmatte> ckrough: you mean faster even though the system is already maxed out CPU-wise?
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:19] <rmatte> ckrough: have you increased the number of workers?
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:25] <ckrough> yeah, or.. more efficient
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:33] <ckrough> its at 7 workers, but 5 of them never spool up
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:33] <iancmcc> hmm. I can't reproduce the problem myself, and there shouldn't be any difference at all between the browsers. If anything, you'd expect IE to break.
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:51] <paul___> exactly!
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:54] <rmatte> ckrough: hmmm, in my experience unless it's actually an 8 core box you only need 4 max
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:56] <ckrough> it looks like it hands single 'roles' out per worker, so you just end up with 1 of the workers at 100% cpu
[18-Nov-2009 13:49:05] <ckrough> its an 8 core box
[18-Nov-2009 13:49:05] <rmatte> ckrough: otherwise it's just wasted resources
[18-Nov-2009 13:49:07] <rmatte> ah
[18-Nov-2009 13:49:23] <rmatte> well, then you might have just literally hit the max your hardware can handle
[18-Nov-2009 13:49:51] <ckrough> theres got to be a way to distribute that load across cores
[18-Nov-2009 13:50:02] <ckrough> event with workers zenhub is still kinda single threaded
[18-Nov-2009 13:50:07] <rmatte> if you have 8 workers it should automatically do that
[18-Nov-2009 13:50:08] <ckrough> *even*
[18-Nov-2009 13:50:22] <rmatte> true, I find that 4 cores is ideal for Zenoss personally
[18-Nov-2009 13:50:52] <ckrough> it creates 8 workers, but if you watch the debug log it still goes single threaded 'roles' per worker it seems. sendEvent for one worker, getConfig for another, then leaves 5 idle
[18-Nov-2009 13:51:14] <rmatte> yeh, well, it's not exactly designed to be threaded
[18-Nov-2009 13:51:15] <ckrough> I just leave one core free for Zope to use so the gui stays responsive
[18-Nov-2009 13:51:38] <ckrough> yeah, I realize that. Kinda pushing the limits of what it can do.
[18-Nov-2009 13:51:48] <rmatte> how many devices are you monitoring?
[18-Nov-2009 13:52:07] <ckrough> 250k OIDs on this one collector. RUnning RAID0 FusionIO drives
[18-Nov-2009 13:52:13] <rmatte> that's ridiculous
[18-Nov-2009 13:52:17] <ckrough> :)
[18-Nov-2009 13:52:22] <rmatte> the most I have is like 20k on 1 collector
[18-Nov-2009 13:52:40] <ckrough> on a normal box I get around 75k
[18-Nov-2009 13:52:55] <ckrough> but Im up to 11 collectors and its time to scale differently, hence the FusionIO drives
[18-Nov-2009 13:53:34] <ckrough> Im intentionally trying to find the edge, and zenhub may be it.
[18-Nov-2009 13:54:04] <paul___> I will try to get the POST and response from IE to see what may be different.
[18-Nov-2009 13:55:22] <iancmcc> Yeah, I'm trying to break it here and failing
[18-Nov-2009 13:58:03] ckrough is now known as crow
[18-Nov-2009 13:58:08] crow is now known as ckrough
[18-Nov-2009 14:03:12] <cgibbons> ckrough, if a new request comes in it should be sent to a free worker, but it won't spread a single request across multiple workers
[18-Nov-2009 14:03:19] <paul___> I just installed fiddler2 to debug the IE calls
[18-Nov-2009 14:03:32] <paul___> the IE post looks exactly like the FF post.
[18-Nov-2009 14:03:54] <paul___> yet, in IE the response is different.
[18-Nov-2009 14:07:54] <ckrough> cgibbons: a request being something as broad as "give me all the current configs", or is it more granular?
[18-Nov-2009 14:10:27] <cgibbons> whatever remote call is being asked of zenhub is the unit of work... so if zenperfsnmp is asking zenhub for all of the devices assigned to it, that's one unit, when it calls again to ask what the tresholds defined for monitored devices, taht's a separate unit
[18-Nov-2009 14:10:46] <cgibbons> a sendEvents remote call is a unit.... which can either be really short or really huge depending upon how much data is being passed
[18-Nov-2009 14:11:09] <ckrough> cool, that lines up with what Im seeing in debug
[18-Nov-2009 14:12:04] <ckrough> so in a high performance scenario, as the device density scales up, some of those things become the new bottleneck
[18-Nov-2009 14:12:22] <ckrough> so the next thing to figure out is how to break up some of the larget units into subunits
[18-Nov-2009 14:12:33] <ckrough> maybe by running multiple zenperfs on a single collector
[18-Nov-2009 14:12:48] <paul___> Ian - I noticed that IE sends the referer in the header, while firefox doesn't appear to. do you think this may be part of the problem?
[18-Nov-2009 14:14:04] <cgibbons> a single collector daemon won't scale super high right now, so adding multiple is normal... either with distributed collector or if you've got enough oomph on the same box having multiple collectors all runnign on the same host
[18-Nov-2009 14:14:24] <rmatte> ckrough: yeh, use the parallel config option on zenperfsnmp to run multiple instances
[18-Nov-2009 14:14:27] <rmatte> ckrough: I run 2
[18-Nov-2009 14:14:30] <cgibbons> a planned future addition for the new collector framework we came out within 2.5 is to be able to schedule work in different processes just like zenhub, but...
[18-Nov-2009 14:14:35] <ckrough> thats the direciton we need to head
[18-Nov-2009 14:14:44] <ckrough> trying to reduce the number of servers per installation
[18-Nov-2009 14:16:00] <Rocinante> WARNING zen.ZenStatus: Scan cycle not complete in 120.00 seconds <-- suddenly getting these after 2.5.0 -> 2.5.1 today.
[18-Nov-2009 14:16:12] <Rocinante> (as well as heartbeat failures)
[18-Nov-2009 14:17:26] <cgibbons> rmatte: parallel is a valid config option for zenperfsnmp?
[18-Nov-2009 14:31:08] <iancmcc> member:paul___: sorry I disappeared. So, firefox isn't sending the referer? it is for me
[18-Nov-2009 14:31:34] <paul___> I think it may be globally disabled. I am trying an addon now called refcontrol
[18-Nov-2009 14:31:54] <iancmcc> Hmm, guess I'll have to find a more reliable way of doing this
[18-Nov-2009 14:34:32] <iancmcc> I didn't know one could disable that.
[18-Nov-2009 14:34:43] <rmatte> cgibbons: I think so, let me double check
[18-Nov-2009 14:34:53] <cgibbons> mine doesn't, at least :)
[18-Nov-2009 14:35:27] <rmatte> ah no, apparently not
[18-Nov-2009 14:36:15] <rmatte> it's valid for zencommand and zenstatus
[18-Nov-2009 14:36:21] <rmatte> my bad
[18-Nov-2009 14:41:09] <cgibbons> well at least it was making you feel good about it for a while :)
[18-Nov-2009 14:42:24] <paul___> Ian - yes if you enter about:config in the location bar you can alter lots of settings in FF
[18-Nov-2009 14:43:03] <iancmcc> that I knew...aha, network.http.sendRefererHeader
[18-Nov-2009 14:43:10] <paul___> my setting for network.http.sendRefererHeader was set to 1
[18-Nov-2009 14:43:19] <paul___> I just changed it to "2"
[18-Nov-2009 14:44:04] <paul___> and its working
[18-Nov-2009 14:44:20] <iancmcc> word. Well, okay, potential release note.
[18-Nov-2009 14:44:20] <paul___> what a PITA
[18-Nov-2009 14:44:49] <paul___> what is yours set at?
[18-Nov-2009 14:45:01] <iancmcc> 2
[18-Nov-2009 14:45:17] <paul___> Hey ErikRose - check your setting in FF
[18-Nov-2009 14:45:25] <iancmcc> His was a different problem.
[18-Nov-2009 14:45:38] <cgibbons> 2 is the default at least
[18-Nov-2009 14:46:28] <paul___> i dont ever recall changing my setting.
[18-Nov-2009 14:50:16] <paul___> it would probably be trivial to include something in the POST so the referer wouldnt be needed.
[18-Nov-2009 14:50:29] <iancmcc> Probably.
[18-Nov-2009 14:50:37] <iancmcc> Although I'm pretty sure FF sends it by default
[18-Nov-2009 14:50:46] <iancmcc> that is, your problem is so far unique
[18-Nov-2009 14:51:57] <paul___> thinking back and googling the feature I may have changed it a few years back for privacy concerns.
[18-Nov-2009 14:53:11] <paul___> fiddler2 and firebug are very useful!
[18-Nov-2009 14:53:26] <iancmcc> I can't remember life without firebug.
[18-Nov-2009 14:53:40] <iancmcc> I think it was colder then, and rained all the time.
[18-Nov-2009 14:54:00] <paul___> fiddler2 will proxy for both IE and FF
[18-Nov-2009 14:55:41] <paul___> thanks for the assist. hopefully this will be useful to someone else in the future.
[18-Nov-2009 14:55:53] <iancmcc> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5836
[18-Nov-2009 14:56:37] <paul___> great!
[18-Nov-2009 15:00:06] <ErikRose> iancmcc: You guys are fantastic. Thanks for helping us early adopters!
[18-Nov-2009 15:00:35] <ErikRose> Zenoss is getting pretty popular in the Plone world, since we're already used to Zope.
[18-Nov-2009 15:01:32] <iancmcc> Cool. We're having a sweet time in the trunk right now moving all the view stuff to zope 3
[18-Nov-2009 15:02:12] <ErikRose> Heh, have fun rewriting templates.
[18-Nov-2009 15:06:33] * ckrough wants a zenoss android app!
[18-Nov-2009 15:08:08] <ke4qqq> so do I
[18-Nov-2009 15:09:30] <cgibbons> <supresses canada joke again>
[18-Nov-2009 15:14:11] <rmatte> cgibbons: I have a python question for you...
[18-Nov-2009 15:14:47] <rmatte> I have a daemon that's calling on the function to move tickets to history and very occasionally (after a few hours or so), I get the following error: _mysql_exceptions.OperationalError: (1205, 'Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction')
[18-Nov-2009 15:14:55] <rmatte> now I'm trying to do a try except pass function
[18-Nov-2009 15:15:18] <rmatte> so so far I have: except (OperationalError, ZenBackendFailure):
[18-Nov-2009 15:15:36] <rmatte> will that be enough, or do I have to do like: except (mysqldb.OperationalError, ZenBackendFailure):
[18-Nov-2009 15:15:50] <rmatte> or do: except (_mysql_exceptions.OperationalError, OperationalError, ZenBackendFailure):
[18-Nov-2009 15:16:17] <cgibbons> would just depend upon how you've imported stuff into your module
[18-Nov-2009 15:16:30] <cgibbons> i.e. import _mysql_exceptions or something like that versus from _mysql_exceptions import OperationalError
[18-Nov-2009 15:16:43] <cgibbons> i'm guessing since it's underscored prefixed it might not be something you want to catch directly however
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:07] <rmatte> yeh, I need to figure out how to catch it because it's crashing my daemon which is bad
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:13] <rmatte> since I don't feel like restarting it 3 times a day
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:15] <rmatte> lol
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:27] <rmatte> I haven't actually imported any mysql stuff...
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:37] <rmatte> here's the full backtrace: http://pastebin.com/m50f78507
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:48] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:53] <rmatte> it happens very occasionally when the script does: dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_deleteEvents(evt.evid)
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:54] <jrock2004> rmatte: I will have to chat you later about MW2
[18-Nov-2009 15:19:17] <iancmcc> rmatte: i'm guessing it happens when zenactions is running
[18-Nov-2009 15:19:19] <rmatte> jrock2004: I still haven't played online yet, I'm stuck on this one part of the single player campaign where I have to defend a computer (go figure)
[18-Nov-2009 15:19:45] <jrock2004> rmatte: Yeah next time I see you on ps3 I will chat you abou it
[18-Nov-2009 15:19:48] <rmatte> iancmcc: might be, but either case, it's not crucial that it clear it that cycle, I can deal with it waiting until the next cycle before clearing it
[18-Nov-2009 15:19:53] <rmatte> jrock2004: sounds good
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:10] <iancmcc> rmatte: from MySQLdb import OperationalError
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:10] <rmatte> iancmcc: I just need to know what to do for my except line in this case
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:11] <cgibbons> you could just catch Exception by itself if you wanted
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:23] <iancmcc> rmatte: except (OperationalError, ...)
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:25] <rmatte> iancmcc: sweet, and then leave the except line the way I have it?
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:29] <iancmcc> yeah
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:32] <rmatte> awesome, ok, I'll have to add that
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:33] <rmatte> thanks
[18-Nov-2009 15:22:47] <iancmcc> rmatte: make sure you check the error
[18-Nov-2009 15:22:59] <iancmcc> so you should actually do:
[18-Nov-2009 15:23:05] <iancmcc> except ZenBackendError, e:
[18-Nov-2009 15:23:09] <iancmcc> ...
[18-Nov-2009 15:23:15] * iancmcc except OperationalError, e
[18-Nov-2009 15:23:34] <iancmcc> if e[0]==1205: pass; else: raise
[18-Nov-2009 15:23:43] <iancmcc> just to make sure you don't swallow something important
[18-Nov-2009 15:24:07] <rmatte> ah
[18-Nov-2009 15:24:53] <rmatte> ok, will do, I shall implement that right now
[18-Nov-2009 15:24:57] <rmatte> thanks :)
[18-Nov-2009 15:32:48] <bmac2> rmatte, simple question, what pulls the software installed over? version 3 of snmp??? I got it working fine on one of my 3 freebsd machines, just can't seem to find out what i got diffrent about that one
[18-Nov-2009 15:32:55] <bmac2> to make it work and the others now
[18-Nov-2009 15:32:58] <bmac2> not
[18-Nov-2009 15:34:00] <rmatte> it shouldn't even pull the list of software for FreeBSD without some sort of collector plugin to do that
[18-Nov-2009 15:34:12] <bmac2> well it is pulling on one machine
[18-Nov-2009 15:34:15] <bmac2> gives me a perfect list
[18-Nov-2009 15:34:32] <bmac2> of everything installed. And I have the same collectors on each, as far as I can tell the same on all
[18-Nov-2009 15:34:53] <bmac2> just can't figure out what I did to make that ONE work, lol. Did something right, just need to figure out what
[18-Nov-2009 15:38:59] <kobalt> anyone else notice if you go to devices then any of the sub catagories where you have a list of devices, just above the name sort link there is a select all none links, mine are not allways there
[18-Nov-2009 15:50:31] <chemist> I used this command zendump -R /zport/dmd/Locations --ignore --devices --ignore instances -o mylocations.xml
[18-Nov-2009 15:50:43] <chemist> to save my locations
[18-Nov-2009 15:51:25] <chemist> when I try to import it in to a fresh install with zenload -i mylocations.xml I get a load of errors
[18-Nov-2009 15:51:34] <chemist> is the syntax wrong?
[18-Nov-2009 15:57:53] <cgibbons> syntax looks right. what kind of errors?
[18-Nov-2009 16:07:52] <jrock2004> In the upper right where it says Zenoss server time it is showing military time. Is there a way to change that?
[18-Nov-2009 16:10:13] <rmatte> it's showing military time because it's showing system time
[18-Nov-2009 16:10:21] <rmatte> the same thing as if you'd type "date" on the box
[18-Nov-2009 16:10:51] <rmatte> I don't believe there's any way to change that (could be wrong though)
[18-Nov-2009 16:12:09] <cgibbons> modify the code real quick, line 59 of $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/ZentinalPortal.py
[18-Nov-2009 16:14:49] <jrock2004> cgibbons: is that for me?
[18-Nov-2009 16:14:58] <cgibbons> yep
[18-Nov-2009 16:15:29] <jrock2004> that file does not exist
[18-Nov-2009 16:15:45] <kobalt> its ZentinelPortal.p
[18-Nov-2009 16:15:48] <kobalt> err
[18-Nov-2009 16:15:50] <kobalt> ZentinelPortal.py
[18-Nov-2009 16:17:20] <jrock2004> ah I see there is a function called isoDateTime
[18-Nov-2009 16:18:37] <cgibbons> yep in ZenUtils/Time.py - you could add a new function to do a different format, etc. lots of ways
[18-Nov-2009 16:25:39] <jrock2004> Ok I got it to work thanks
[18-Nov-2009 16:26:39] <jrock2004> I copied the original function. renamed it and changed %H to %I
[18-Nov-2009 16:31:39] <rmatte> there we go, just deployed the new (hopefully crash free) version of my daemon to all my Zenoss boxes
[18-Nov-2009 16:31:49] <rmatte> guess I'll know whether it's actually crash free tomorrow
[18-Nov-2009 16:32:01] <rmatte> (or tonight, depending whether or not I get a phone call)
[18-Nov-2009 16:32:03] <cgibbons> i'd save that as a patch diff so you can reapply it later
[18-Nov-2009 16:32:29] <rmatte> yeh, otherwise you'll have to hand edit it each time you upgrade
[18-Nov-2009 16:39:00] <jrock2004> Well off to my Mac group meeting. See you guys later
[18-Nov-2009 16:55:48] <chemist> cgibbons: sorry was afk, these errors http://pastebin.ca/1677151
[18-Nov-2009 16:55:55] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Anonymous - post number 1677151 (at pastebin.ca)
[18-Nov-2009 17:03:13] <rmatte> chemist: what is that error from?
[18-Nov-2009 17:03:31] <chemist> I used this command zendump -R /zport/dmd/Locations --ignore --devices --ignore instances -o mylocations.xml
[18-Nov-2009 17:03:32] <rmatte> chemist: it's basically complaining that too many arguments are being passed to the function __init__()
[18-Nov-2009 17:03:43] <chemist> when I try to import it in to a fresh install with zenload -i mylocations.xml I get a load of errors
[18-Nov-2009 17:03:48] <rmatte> such as: __init__(1, 2, 3) instead of __init__(1, 2)
[18-Nov-2009 17:03:56] <rmatte> ah, hmmm
[18-Nov-2009 17:04:20] <rmatte> you're importing while zenoss is running I'm assuming?
[18-Nov-2009 17:04:33] <chemist> yes
[18-Nov-2009 17:05:04] <rmatte> odd, unless they changed some of the import code so that it's no longer compatible with older xmls, I can't see them having done that though
[18-Nov-2009 17:07:11] <chemist> well, it will have to wait till later,I'm outta here
[18-Nov-2009 18:23:21] <kobalt> is there an easy way to change the community string for a list of devices without going to each device
[18-Nov-2009 18:50:28] <kobalt> found a script for it hehe just had to modify it hehe
[18-Nov-2009 21:03:22] <davetoo> howdy
[18-Nov-2009 21:03:54] <davetoo> any zenoss TALES gurus about?
[18-Nov-2009 22:31:10] * davetoo wonders where the rrd images are cached
[18-Nov-2009 22:31:30] <davetoo> for distributed collectors
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[19-Nov-2009 06:16:15] <Rocinante> rmatte: message/42277 <-- got it :>
[19-Nov-2009 06:16:22] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - productionState in transform (at community.zenoss.org)
[19-Nov-2009 06:29:58] <Rocinante> Now I just need to find out why zenstatus isn't completing a cycle
[19-Nov-2009 07:03:32] wayland_ is now known as wayland
[19-Nov-2009 08:21:03] <zenethian> Good morning.
[19-Nov-2009 08:21:09] kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal
[19-Nov-2009 08:21:18] * zenethian hands out espresso shots
[19-Nov-2009 08:21:36] <tehhobbit> got a question how can I set per device wether they should use the ethernetCsmacd or the 64 bit one
[19-Nov-2009 08:35:13] <mdereus> zenethian: I could sure use one, the coffee from Caribou isn't doing anything yet.
[19-Nov-2009 08:43:45] <zenethian> man, I miss that place.
[19-Nov-2009 08:44:10] <mdereus> haha, only place I go
[19-Nov-2009 08:44:15] <mdereus> <-- Minnesotan :)
[19-Nov-2009 08:46:35] <zenethian> I grew up in Illinois and there was one near where I lived. Good stuff.
[19-Nov-2009 08:46:57] <zenethian> Though, there is a very awesome local coffee shop where I live now called Wake the Dead.
[19-Nov-2009 08:47:04] <mdereus> haha
[19-Nov-2009 08:47:18] <mdereus> good local shops are few and far between
[19-Nov-2009 08:47:39] <zenethian> Second best name for a store I've ever seen. The first was a beauty shop that my mom's friend owns called Mary Kay's Curl-up and Dye.
[19-Nov-2009 08:47:42] <zenethian> good stuff.
[19-Nov-2009 08:48:26] <zenethian> Yeah, I purposefully live outside of Austin in a small town because I enjoy small local businesses.
[19-Nov-2009 08:48:54] <zenethian> (plus I work for a really awesome one. *cough*)
[19-Nov-2009 08:51:48] <tehhobbit> anyone using the vmware esx zenpack
[19-Nov-2009 08:51:58] <tehhobbit> cant find where to put the modler stuff
[19-Nov-2009 08:52:41] <cgibbons> so you didn't like your trip to dripping springs, zenethian? did you guys go ride south of town through wimberly or anything?
[19-Nov-2009 08:54:09] <zenethian> I loved the trip. It was just sorta that we didn't actually have a plan to DO anything there, do we got there and were like "Umm. Neat!?" and left.
[19-Nov-2009 08:54:52] <zenethian> We took Route 12 from San Marcos through Wimberly to Dripping Springs, and then shot over to Bee Caves and came back down Brodie and took back roads to get back home. Fun trip, just not exciting.
[19-Nov-2009 08:55:47] <cgibbons> think that's the same route the livestrong ride did a few weeks ago, very scenic for the area
[19-Nov-2009 08:56:38] <zenethian> Yes, just on the edge of the hill country. Apparently there's some swimming hole up that way with a waterfall, but it was closed because they were filming a movie there!
[19-Nov-2009 08:57:52] <jrock2004> If I want to upgrade from 2.5.0 to 2.5.1, is it that done with a patch file or do I follow same process that I used when going from 2.4.5 to 2.5.0
[19-Nov-2009 08:58:06] <tehhobbit> dammit this is making me frustrated cant find _any_ install instructions for the vmware esx cmd stuff
[19-Nov-2009 08:59:04] <tehhobbit> help anyone
[19-Nov-2009 09:01:43] <rmatte> jrock2004: same process
[19-Nov-2009 09:01:51] <jrock2004> cool
[19-Nov-2009 09:02:01] <rmatte> jrock2004: upgrades are always the same process
[19-Nov-2009 09:02:11] <cgibbons> tehhobbit: what's up?
[19-Nov-2009 09:02:26] <cgibbons> issues with the ZenPacks.zenoss.VMwareESXMonitor zenpack?
[19-Nov-2009 09:02:34] <tehhobbit> cgibbons: just trying to findout howto install the vmware plugin
[19-Nov-2009 09:04:40] <rmatte> tehhobbit: which pack are you using exactly?
[19-Nov-2009 09:04:49] <tehhobbit> didnt know where to copie the python collector plugin stuff
[19-Nov-2009 09:04:58] <tehhobbit> copy
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:10] <davetoo> I need to figure out how to run a second zenhub instance, for debugging; in particular I need to see the pingtree being built to find out where it's broken. I don't know how to do that without running zenhub at -v10.
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:20] <rmatte> you don't "copy" it, the pack is supposed to create a /Servers/ESX group
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:24] <rmatte> and you just move the devices in to there
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:29] <rmatte> atfer installing the ZenPack
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:40] <rmatte> I hope you're using this pack: docs/DOC-3444
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:40] <cgibbons> don't the instructions say do not move them? :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:45] <rmatte> and not the old .zip one
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:47] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - VMware Virtual Machines (at community.zenoss.org)
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:03] <cgibbons> ahh there's another one we just released in core, too
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:29] <rmatte> hunh?
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:31] <davetoo> you guys just keep pushing the stuff I paid extra for, into the free version :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:47] <rmatte> did you guys actually finally move the old VMWare enterprise pack to core?
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:50] <davetoo> kidding of course
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:54] <tehhobbit> oooh snapp!!
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:54] <cgibbons> yeah
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:56] <rmatte> I heard it was possibly happening
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:57] <zenethian> Don't worry, we'll be giving you new things to pay for. :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:01] <cgibbons> the cool one is still in enterprise :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:06] <davetoo> eh,
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:11] <rmatte> well, the enterprise one uses the actual API
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:11] <chudler> that is one awesome zenpack, BTW. All my new efforts are based on it
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:16] <rmatte> whereas the old one uses SNMP
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:17] <davetoo> I'm fighting with reporting right now.
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:23] <rmatte> obviously using the API is much more effective
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:23] <tehhobbit> windows admins that installed esx have used space when naming the data stores
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:24] <tehhobbit> :(
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:41] <rmatte> cgibbons: I don't see it listed under core ZenPacks, or am I blind?
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:41] <davetoo> erg
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:46] <davetoo> I HATE spaces in filenames
[19-Nov-2009 09:08:05] <davetoo> I don't like them in organizer/class names either :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:08:28] <davetoo> What is the easiest, nondisruptive way to find out where my pingtree is broken?
[19-Nov-2009 09:08:38] <jrock2004> Does zenoss already have the nagios plugins somewhere? I am reading admin doc and the instructions are not very good
[19-Nov-2009 09:08:48] <davetoo> ype
[19-Nov-2009 09:08:52] <davetoo> yep
[19-Nov-2009 09:09:08] <davetoo> Pre-2.5 they were in $ZENHOME/libexec
[19-Nov-2009 09:09:20] <rmatte> davetoo: spaces can generally be handled using our little friend, the backslash :) or the quotation marks
[19-Nov-2009 09:09:22] <rmatte> :P
[19-Nov-2009 09:09:22] <davetoo> now they've moved under $ZENHOME/lib/pythonsomething
[19-Nov-2009 09:10:25] <tehhobbit> davetoo: but this leads to the script breaking
[19-Nov-2009 09:10:33] <davetoo> ?
[19-Nov-2009 09:10:34] <cgibbons> where are you looking, rmatte? (it should be in the artifact at least)
[19-Nov-2009 09:10:37] <tehhobbit> wonder if there is some clever regexp around it
[19-Nov-2009 09:10:39] <davetoo> tehhobbit: ?
[19-Nov-2009 09:11:11] <tehhobbit> davetoo: the space in the datastore names
[19-Nov-2009 09:11:13] <davetoo> I haven't looked to see how they dealt with that move; whether they changed the default search path or what
[19-Nov-2009 09:11:18] <davetoo> oh,
[19-Nov-2009 09:11:24] <davetoo> yes, preaching to the choir
[19-Nov-2009 09:11:39] <tehhobbit> the script cant see any datastores with spaces in them
[19-Nov-2009 09:12:17] <jrock2004> davetoo: do they will be in the python folder somewhere?
[19-Nov-2009 09:12:41] <rmatte> hmmm, the new 2.5.1 stack installer doesn't terminate Zenoss before updating, so it acts as though it's going to do a second installation (prompts for alternate ports to use for everything)
[19-Nov-2009 09:13:03] <rmatte> could be confusing for new users who are updating
[19-Nov-2009 09:13:12] <davetoo> jrock2004: I don't have a 2.5 install to look at right now
[19-Nov-2009 09:13:24] <jrock2004> k thanks
[19-Nov-2009 09:13:47] <rmatte> cgibbons: I was looking on the actual ZenPacks page on the community site, there's a "Zenoss Core ZenPacks" section
[19-Nov-2009 09:13:51] <rmatte> I didn't see it listed there
[19-Nov-2009 09:14:56] <davetoo> rmatte: 'doh
[19-Nov-2009 09:17:56] <davetoo> I wish... that there were an "expert" mode for Multigraphs
[19-Nov-2009 09:18:09] <davetoo> where we could enter a devfilter lambda to create collections :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:20:51] <rmatte> meh lol
[19-Nov-2009 09:21:46] * zenethian waits for the patch to be submitted
[19-Nov-2009 09:21:49] <zenethian> ;-)
[19-Nov-2009 09:22:17] <davetoo> well first I'm writing a cli tool
[19-Nov-2009 09:22:25] <davetoo> I don't know how to drive the web templates yet
[19-Nov-2009 09:22:48] <zenethian> sweet
[19-Nov-2009 09:23:36] <davetoo> chet gave me a fragment to create multigraph reports for routers and I'm starting from that nuget
[19-Nov-2009 09:23:37] <davetoo> nugget
[19-Nov-2009 09:23:42] <rmatte> still no ability to select a range of dates to view event history between in 2.5.1
[19-Nov-2009 09:23:45] * rmatte taps his foot
[19-Nov-2009 09:24:06] <davetoo> phpMyAdmin :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:24:11] <zenethian> (see above)
[19-Nov-2009 09:24:13] <zenethian> :D
[19-Nov-2009 09:24:24] <davetoo> Get Ta' Codin' :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:25:28] <davetoo> I have too darn many ideas that I want to implement. But I do seriously want to create a skin with devfilter lambda entry boxes in at least two or three places.
[19-Nov-2009 09:25:40] <mdereus> This question was presented to me recently... Is it possible to host Zenoss' database externally on a dedicated SQL server that hosts our other business databases?
[19-Nov-2009 09:25:56] <davetoo> which zenoss database?
[19-Nov-2009 09:25:59] <rmatte> the developers are just for show, the community does all of the coding for Zenoss via patches which is kept under wraps, tonight, the conspiracy revealed, on Fox news
[19-Nov-2009 09:26:00] <rmatte> :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:26:05] <davetoo> measurement data is not tabular
[19-Nov-2009 09:27:03] <rmatte> mdereus: Zenoss has 2 different databases, MySQL and Zope. MySQL is just for storing the events in. Everything else is stored in Zope
[19-Nov-2009 09:27:05] <zenethian> It could be possible, yes, if it's a mySQL database, but remember that most of the Zenoss data is not SQL storage, just events.
[19-Nov-2009 09:27:08] <rmatte> mdereus: what's your end goal?
[19-Nov-2009 09:27:33] <mdereus> I guess to store Zope externally as well.
[19-Nov-2009 09:27:45] <mdereus> But if it's not SQL and proprietary then forget it.
[19-Nov-2009 09:27:57] <rmatte> mdereus: hehe, good luck with that, it's theoretically possible but have fun
[19-Nov-2009 09:28:11] <zenethian> yeah Zope uses a propietary technology called ZODB for storage.
[19-Nov-2009 09:28:13] <mdereus> Yeah, I'll just tell them no.
[19-Nov-2009 09:28:19] <zenethian> that's the best idea. :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:28:25] <rmatte> hehe
[19-Nov-2009 09:28:47] * zenethian mumbles something about NoSQL and grins
[19-Nov-2009 09:28:56] * davetoo wants to figure out a way to siphon off raw perf daemon data for a very small subset of systems
[19-Nov-2009 09:29:02] <mdereus> The idea was to be able to query the database to write our own reports and have them available on our intranet.
[19-Nov-2009 09:29:08] <davetoo> so I can plot the actual raw values with ploticus
[19-Nov-2009 09:30:05] <davetoo> mdereus: do you understand how RRDTool data storage works?
[19-Nov-2009 09:30:11] <zenethian> mdereus: You can connect to the ZEO instance in a Python script and use it that way, if you know the object hierarchy. (insert disclaimer here)
[19-Nov-2009 09:30:18] <rmatte> mdereus: you could always technically use XML-RPC for that, or write some python scripts to call on via SSH
[19-Nov-2009 09:30:26] <rmatte> mdereus: or REST
[19-Nov-2009 09:30:45] <mdereus> haha, it's already more work than it's worth
[19-Nov-2009 09:30:50] <mdereus> to me
[19-Nov-2009 09:30:52] <zenethian> :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:31:02] <rmatte> mdereus: what sorts of scripts would you need? I have some pre-done which we're using
[19-Nov-2009 09:31:11] <rmatte> mdereus: what reports I mean
[19-Nov-2009 09:31:24] <mdereus> I don't even know, it was just a question that someone here asked me about Zenoss.
[19-Nov-2009 09:31:40] <mdereus> Since I'm the "expert". (aka I set it up)
[19-Nov-2009 09:32:07] <rmatte> I've written standalone scripts for availability (that one took forever), cpu, filesystem, interface, and memory
[19-Nov-2009 09:32:15] <rmatte> I also made an inventory report
[19-Nov-2009 09:32:22] <davetoo> rmatte: if you have a trick to insert daybreak (midnight) VRULEs dynamically, I'll send you a case of your favorite carbonated beverage :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:32:27] <rmatte> you can call on them using plain epoch time or dates
[19-Nov-2009 09:32:51] <rmatte> it would be like: ./availability.py -s 10/01/2009 -e 11/01/2009
[19-Nov-2009 09:32:59] <davetoo> I could make use of something that does the date conversion for me already ....
[19-Nov-2009 09:33:00] <rmatte> and it would dump an availability report for last month
[19-Nov-2009 09:33:20] <rmatte> davetoo: unfortunately not
[19-Nov-2009 09:34:06] <chris_d> I have Zenoss 2.3.3 running on an IBM Blade Server with 10gb of RAM. This blade server is multipath attached to a SAN. This is not a distributed collector environment. Zenoss is running on RHEL x86. I am having severe performance issues. This box runs the MySQL db and mostly monitors routers and switches. The box pretty much does snmp polling, snmp traps and syslog from the routers and switches. I have about 1100 nodes currently with only about 400 of
[19-Nov-2009 09:34:14] <chris_d> My problem lies in the fact that it takes forever to bring up a device. If I navigate to /network/router/cisco and choose a router it can take up to 10 minutes for the status page of the device to load. Now once the page loads I can bring up the os and perf tabs along with the graphs just fine. Anything I navigate strait to a nodes event tab is loads fast as well. Anything to do with the event console is fast, as well as the device list. It's just bri
[19-Nov-2009 09:34:22] <chris_d> I know I need to upgrade but we are going through an enterprise monitoring project using zenoss. This install will utilize 3 collectors and have MySQL running on a separate box. However that is a couple of months away and I've been under the gun to find a fix for this issue.
[19-Nov-2009 09:34:31] <chris_d> lol, any ideas?
[19-Nov-2009 09:34:37] * chris_d sits back and hopes for the best
[19-Nov-2009 09:35:02] <zenethian> (Someone read the How To Ask Smart Questions document)
[19-Nov-2009 09:35:48] <chris_d> i've tuned zope,mysql and the os to as much as I can
[19-Nov-2009 09:35:57] <rmatte> chris_d: the end of the first 2 things you pasted got cut off
[19-Nov-2009 09:36:17] <chudler> yeah, and that seemed to be the interesting part :-/
[19-Nov-2009 09:36:33] <davetoo> zenethian: heh I just saw that in somebody's .sig in a mail archive; maybe it was yours :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:36:42] <chris_d> what part was missed?
[19-Nov-2009 09:36:56] <zenethian> Cut off at "only about 400 of"
[19-Nov-2009 09:36:59] <chris_d> i'm keeping detailed notes and such, cause I got to find a resolution to this
[19-Nov-2009 09:37:02] <zenethian> and "It's just bri"
[19-Nov-2009 09:37:21] <chris_d> This box runs the MySQL db and mostly monitors routers and switches. The box pretty much does snmp polling, snmp traps and syslog from the routers and switches. I have about 1100 nodes currently with only about 400 of them using the Cisco template, the rest are ping only.
[19-Nov-2009 09:37:36] <chris_d> My problem lies in the fact that it takes forever to bring up a device. If I navigate to /network/router/cisco and choose a router it can take up to 10 minutes for the status page of the device to load. Now once the page loads I can bring up the os and perf tabs along with the graphs just fine
[19-Nov-2009 09:37:45] <chris_d> good so far?
[19-Nov-2009 09:38:04] <rmatte> chris_d: so you have 1100 devices on a single collector?
[19-Nov-2009 09:38:30] <davetoo> it'd better have a lot of spindles :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:38:35] <chris_d> yes but vast majority are /ping...moving to a single collector design it's just a couple months away
[19-Nov-2009 09:38:54] <davetoo> What is the disk layout?
[19-Nov-2009 09:39:03] <chris_d> . Anything I navigate strait to a nodes event tab is loads fast as well. Anything to do with the event console is fast, as well as the device list. It's just bringing up the nodes to begin with.
[19-Nov-2009 09:39:29] <chris_d> no local hd all connected via a san
[19-Nov-2009 09:39:32] <chris_d> multipath
[19-Nov-2009 09:39:34] <rmatte> chris_d: just out of curiosity, do you have the Cisco Mibs ZenPack installed?
[19-Nov-2009 09:39:40] <davetoo> hah
[19-Nov-2009 09:39:49] <chris_d> did, but I have since removed it
[19-Nov-2009 09:39:49] <davetoo> rmatte: is your zenpack a tarpit? :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:40:05] <rmatte> davetoo: only if you don't follow the instructions on the ZenPack page
[19-Nov-2009 09:40:08] <chris_d> shit hang on brb
[19-Nov-2009 09:40:38] <rmatte> davetoo: and no one ever seems to find it important to read ZenPack pages (drives me nuts)
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:00] <davetoo> put an interactive yes/no in the package __init__ :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:03] <rmatte> davetoo: "Oh, let's download and install this software without ever looking to see what it is or what's required prior to or after installing, yeh, that should be fun"
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:29] <rmatte> "Then let's go in to #zenoss and ask why it's not working only to find out that we should have read the ZenPack page to begin with"
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:30] <rmatte> :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:38] <davetoo> I need to load that on my production system,
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:54] <davetoo> I really only need a small subset
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:55] <davetoo> thought.
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:57] <davetoo> -t
[19-Nov-2009 09:42:23] <rmatte> davetoo: it was easier to just load them all, that way no matter what Cisco devices I throw in I always have the Mibs for them
[19-Nov-2009 09:42:42] <davetoo> yep. I'm really not using traps yet anyway, though.
[19-Nov-2009 09:42:43] <rmatte> davetoo: we deal with lots of different Cisco stuff (we're an MSP)
[19-Nov-2009 09:42:45] <davetoo> just experimenting.
[19-Nov-2009 09:42:48] <rmatte> ah
[19-Nov-2009 09:42:58] <rmatte> traps are handy, they make a nice compliment to syslog
[19-Nov-2009 09:43:00] <davetoo> More likely to need syslog mappings irst.
[19-Nov-2009 09:43:01] <davetoo> first.
[19-Nov-2009 09:43:12] <davetoo> Does zenoss handle "inform"?
[19-Nov-2009 09:43:30] <davetoo> I don't know much about it yet, but it's like a trap with a three-way udp handshake, I gather.
[19-Nov-2009 09:44:18] <davetoo> reliable-er
[19-Nov-2009 09:44:20] <davetoo> :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:46:19] <rmatte> sounds iffy
[19-Nov-2009 09:46:29] <rmatte> is that even a standard or some proprietary garbage?
[19-Nov-2009 09:46:39] <davetoo> new-er standard
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:02] <rmatte> I doubt it supports it, and it'll probably take quite a while before that actually takes off anyways (if ever)
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:02] <davetoo> net-snmp supports it
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:26] <rmatte> no one is really adopting snmpv3 and it's been around for a while
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:31] * chris_d is back
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:31] <davetoo> oh, it's v3
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:36] <rmatte> oh it IS
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:40] <rmatte> that makes more sense
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:46] <rmatte> yes, Zenoss supports snmpv3
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:51] <davetoo> I'm not doing *any* v3 yet
[19-Nov-2009 09:48:08] <rmatte> nor are any of our clients
[19-Nov-2009 09:48:40] <chris_d> so am I correct in thinking it has to do something with zope that is causing my slowdown in bringing up a device status page
[19-Nov-2009 09:49:02] <rmatte> chris_d: probably, either that or the specs of the server that you're running Zenoss on aren't cutting it
[19-Nov-2009 09:49:09] <chris_d> .../network/router/cisco/routera takes forever to load
[19-Nov-2009 09:49:22] <rmatte> chris_d: what is the size of your $ZENHOME/var/Data.fs file?
[19-Nov-2009 09:49:30] <chris_d> I would agree but only doing full snmp monitoring on 340 or so of them
[19-Nov-2009 09:49:38] <chris_d> the rest are /ping
[19-Nov-2009 09:49:43] <chris_d> chcking
[19-Nov-2009 09:50:01] <rmatte> chris_d: so? it still has 1100 devices in the database none-the-less and you're talking about database access speeds
[19-Nov-2009 09:50:39] <chris_d> true
[19-Nov-2009 09:50:41] <chris_d> -rw-r--r-- 1 zenoss zenoss 410882098 Nov 19 01:29 /opt/zenoss/var/Data.fs
[19-Nov-2009 09:51:05] <cgibbons> that's a big file
[19-Nov-2009 09:51:21] <rmatte> that's insanely big
[19-Nov-2009 09:51:25] <rmatte> way bigger than it should be
[19-Nov-2009 09:51:30] <chris_d> agreeded
[19-Nov-2009 09:51:31] <davetoo> wait, is that 410 G?
[19-Nov-2009 09:51:53] <chris_d> i have a 1tb mount for zenoss
[19-Nov-2009 09:51:55] <rmatte> no, MB I believe
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:06] <rmatte> add -h to your ls -al
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:07] <davetoo> oh, 410M is not bad
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:10] <rmatte> ls -alh
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:13] <chris_d> k
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:18] <rmatte> it'll translate it to be more human friendly readable
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:27] <chris_d> -rw-r--r-- 1 zenoss zenoss 392M Nov 19 01:29 /opt/zenoss/var/Data.fs
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:39] <rmatte> yeh, as I thought, hmmm, let me check mine
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:51] <chris_d> k, thx for any and all help
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:52] <rmatte> actually, that's not as bad as I thought
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:55] <davetoo> eh, not bad. Question is, which part of the page template is pulling up something slow.
[19-Nov-2009 09:53:14] <davetoo> chris_d: have you tried poking around with zendmd?
[19-Nov-2009 09:53:16] <rmatte> mine is 765MB, but I have 340+ devices being monitored via SNMP on that particular server
[19-Nov-2009 09:53:24] <rmatte> so yours is under-size
[19-Nov-2009 09:53:28] <chris_d> yes i've used zendmd before
[19-Nov-2009 09:53:39] <chris_d> but i have not done a reindex or things like that
[19-Nov-2009 09:53:57] <davetoo> well I was just trying to think of a way to isolate the slow component
[19-Nov-2009 09:53:57] <rmatte> try a reindex() then commit()
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:02] <rmatte> you can also try these: docs/DOC-2521
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:05] <chris_d> looking for suggestions to band-aid this sucker till i can move to a distrubuted collector enviroment, split off mysql etc
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:08] <rmatte> might increase overall performance
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:11] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - How to tweak zenoss (at community.zenoss.org)
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:25] <davetoo> your reindex() will probably take 15 minutes :) Or more.
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:39] <chris_d> I have done all of those on the webpage
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:46] <chris_d> modify where it needs be
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:57] <chudler> one little hack is to mount /tmp as a ramdisk. it *could* speed up the render server
[19-Nov-2009 09:55:03] <rmatte> just try the reindex, you might have bad data in zope
[19-Nov-2009 09:55:10] <rmatte> if you do, you'll get errors when you try to reindex
[19-Nov-2009 09:55:16] <rmatte> thus revealing that that's the issue
[19-Nov-2009 10:08:35] <rmatte> it would be so nice if it was possible to actually set schedules on thresholds for certain devices
[19-Nov-2009 10:08:45] <chris_d> okay I'm starting a reindex
[19-Nov-2009 10:08:59] <davetoo> don't forget the commit() after it finishes :)
[19-Nov-2009 10:08:59] <rmatte> we monitor backup servers which spiker in memory and CPU usage each night, would be nice to be able to tell Zenoss to ignore thresholds during the backup windows
[19-Nov-2009 10:09:06] <rmatte> s/spiker/spike
[19-Nov-2009 10:09:08] <davetoo> ah, yes
[19-Nov-2009 10:09:11] <rmatte> chris_d: cool
[19-Nov-2009 10:09:43] <cgibbons> hmm isn't there a predictive threshold zenpack already?
[19-Nov-2009 10:09:53] <cgibbons> or does it not handle that kind of sort-term window?
[19-Nov-2009 10:09:54] <otakup0p1> anyone aware of fancy zenoss/ipmi tie-ins
[19-Nov-2009 10:09:59] <chris_d> k i'll let you guys know the results when i'm done
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:05] otakup0p1 is now known as otakup0pe
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:07] <rmatte> cgibbons: not sure, I honestly haven't looked at it
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:22] <cgibbons> not that i actually know :)
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:30] <davetoo> cgibbons: Enterprise :)
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:35] <cgibbons> ahh, well there ya go
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:35] <davetoo> or.. did somebody make a community one?
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:38] <rmatte> cgibbons: that struck me as something that you'd use more when monitoring traffic or something
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:51] <rmatte> davetoo: rocket made a community one that's even better than the Enterprise one apparently
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:57] <davetoo> I don't think it would handle such a low duty-cycle spike
[19-Nov-2009 10:11:59] <cgibbons> so really it's more like a maintenance window, but instead of turning off monitoring during the window, use this different set of thresholds
[19-Nov-2009 10:12:11] <cgibbons> sounds like a great zenpack waiting :)
[19-Nov-2009 10:12:19] <rmatte> rocket also made a point threshold back which is interesting
[19-Nov-2009 10:12:25] <rmatte> s/back/pack
[19-Nov-2009 10:12:30] <rmatte> (man my typing is off this morning)
[19-Nov-2009 10:12:55] <mdereus> multiplayer notepad should come with spell/grammar check
[19-Nov-2009 10:13:02] <sergeymasushko> Hi guys. I modified this script to work with different mysql ports... docs/DOC-2484#comment-1288 I can share the diff if needed :)
[19-Nov-2009 10:13:19] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - MySQL Replication Slave Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[19-Nov-2009 10:13:23] <rmatte> cgibbons: well, not necessarily, if you know it's going to be totally maxed then you'd just have it totally disable the thresholds during that particular window, but only the individual thresholds, we still want to receive all other alerts from the device
[19-Nov-2009 10:13:41] <davetoo> event transform?
[19-Nov-2009 10:14:03] <rmatte> davetoo: possibly, but that's sloppy
[19-Nov-2009 10:15:58] <jrock2004> I am using a nagios plugin that checks to see if our IP address of that server is on a blacklist. So I run the command and and if not listed I get Not-Listed. If we are listed it will print We are listed here, here, and or here.
[19-Nov-2009 10:16:02] <cgibbons> have any of y'all worked with VMware's ACE stuff?
[19-Nov-2009 10:16:15] <jrock2004> So if I am listed how do I get it to add an event
[19-Nov-2009 10:16:22] <jrock2004> ?
[19-Nov-2009 10:16:59] <jrock2004> I am in the device template and I created a new datasource with command
[19-Nov-2009 10:18:01] <davetoo> you read the docs :)
[19-Nov-2009 10:18:08] <rmatte> jrock2004: I think you want the script to fail with error code 2 if you're listed, and output something like "FAIL BLAH BLAH|"
[19-Nov-2009 10:18:17] <rmatte> jrock2004: the docs explain how to do it
[19-Nov-2009 10:19:07] <rmatte> I see that they put the old operational and admin status back for 2.5.1
[19-Nov-2009 10:20:43] <jrock2004> Ok I am looking at the doc but I was not sure if I had to be careful due to how some custom plugins are made
[19-Nov-2009 10:33:51] <davetoo> The nagios plugin developer guide is helpful
[19-Nov-2009 10:49:18] <rmatte> jrock, collector plugins and command based datasources are completely different
[19-Nov-2009 10:49:49] <rmatte> if that's what you meant
[19-Nov-2009 10:50:12] <chris_d> reindex finished, did a commit() no errors
[19-Nov-2009 10:50:23] <chris_d> gonna go do some testing to see if it helpoed
[19-Nov-2009 10:50:28] <rmatte> chris_d: any performance improvements?
[19-Nov-2009 10:50:42] <rmatte> k
[19-Nov-2009 10:51:39] <chris_d> seems a little better, I've developed a test that is the same every time so I can gauge results
[19-Nov-2009 10:51:53] <chris_d> i'll do that and have some coworkers perform the test to see what times they are getting
[19-Nov-2009 10:52:12] <chris_d> it has taken 5-10 mins before to load a device status page. so we'll see
[19-Nov-2009 10:52:21] <rmatte> k
[19-Nov-2009 10:59:36] <chris_d> 3 minutes and counting just to bring up a single routers device status page.
[19-Nov-2009 10:59:51] <chris_d> god this is frustrating
[19-Nov-2009 11:00:10] <rmatte> I'm out of ideas at this point honestly, what are the specs on that server?
[19-Nov-2009 11:00:14] <rmatte> CPU, Memory?
[19-Nov-2009 11:00:36] <chris_d> dual quad core zeons 1.86ghz 10gb ram
[19-Nov-2009 11:00:42] <chris_d> ibm blade server
[19-Nov-2009 11:00:55] <rmatte> hmmm
[19-Nov-2009 11:01:06] <rmatte> so you have it running 8 cores total?
[19-Nov-2009 11:01:16] <chris_d> correct
[19-Nov-2009 11:01:24] <rmatte> Zenoss runs better on 4 cores I find, but ok...
[19-Nov-2009 11:01:50] <rmatte> so you have it pinging 1100 devices every minute
[19-Nov-2009 11:01:51] <chris_d> 2.6.18-128.1.6.el5 #1 SMP Tue Mar 24 12:05:57 EDT 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU
[19-Nov-2009 11:02:15] <chris_d> yes and zenping finishes it's cycle in 5 seconds
[19-Nov-2009 11:02:26] <rmatte> 18.3 devices per second
[19-Nov-2009 11:02:29] <rmatte> not bad
[19-Nov-2009 11:02:38] <chris_d> still waiting on that device status page to load
[19-Nov-2009 11:02:54] <rmatte> what other ZenPacks do you have installed?
[19-Nov-2009 11:02:56] <chris_d> and that is with default ping packets in flight, i've gotten it much lower before
[19-Nov-2009 11:03:01] <chris_d> none, i've removed them all.
[19-Nov-2009 11:03:22] <rmatte> what are your zenperfsnmp collector cycle times averaging?
[19-Nov-2009 11:03:44] <chris_d> under 300seconds but let me get an accurate count
[19-Nov-2009 11:05:29] <chris_d> 2009-11-19 12:02:05 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: Sent 1095 OID requests
[19-Nov-2009 11:05:29] <chris_d> 2009-11-19 12:02:05 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: collected 304 of 391 devices in 41.52
[19-Nov-2009 11:05:29] <chris_d> 2009-11-19 12:02:05 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: total=391 good=304 bad=87 time=41.522802
[19-Nov-2009 11:05:58] <chris_d> the bad ones are routers with sub ints or voip routers
[19-Nov-2009 11:06:20] <coofamani> is the cycle consistently around 41? sometimes that many bads can make it swing wildly
[19-Nov-2009 11:06:23] <chris_d> I have turned off all interface perf mons
[19-Nov-2009 11:06:35] <chris_d> it's only doing mem and cpu5min on the routers
[19-Nov-2009 11:07:20] <chris_d> highest recent cycle time was 58s
[19-Nov-2009 11:08:01] <chris_d> I honestly believe this box should be able to handle pinging 800 devices and only doing snmp mon on ~400
[19-Nov-2009 11:08:43] <coofamani> it's not swapping is it?
[19-Nov-2009 11:08:52] <coofamani> (sorry, just catching up with thread)
[19-Nov-2009 11:08:56] <chris_d> i also have zenmodeler turned off
[19-Nov-2009 11:09:16] <chris_d> well there are no local hd's on the blade server it's san attached for storage
[19-Nov-2009 11:09:28] <chris_d> okay that page device status page Just now loaded.
[19-Nov-2009 11:09:33] <chris_d> what was that 7+ mins
[19-Nov-2009 11:10:04] <chris_d> so it does use some ram for swap
[19-Nov-2009 11:21:46] <jrock2004> Is Zenoss is there a way to get an event that generates when the database has too many connections?
[19-Nov-2009 11:24:30] <jrock2004> I just had 5 people run in here and tell me that our main server is down
[19-Nov-2009 11:24:37] <jrock2004> I looked at zenoss and I show green
[19-Nov-2009 11:25:13] <jrock2004> Then I checked Nagios and it told me that there was too many connections to hte database
[19-Nov-2009 11:28:57] <cgibbons> "the database" ?
[19-Nov-2009 11:29:20] <jrock2004> oh sorry mySQL db
[19-Nov-2009 11:32:52] <rmatte> jrock2004: I'd imagine that Nagios uses a plugin to do that
[19-Nov-2009 11:33:01] <rmatte> jrock2004: and it just so happens that Zenoss supports Nagios plugins
[19-Nov-2009 11:33:28] <jrock2004> its using the mysql plugin that comes with nagios
[19-Nov-2009 11:35:06] <kisielk> yeah, you could just port all your nagios checks to your zenoss install
[19-Nov-2009 11:35:34] <jrock2004> well so far there has been only 2 plugins from nagios I want
[19-Nov-2009 11:35:48] <jrock2004> one is the blacklist plugin which I got imported
[19-Nov-2009 11:35:58] <jrock2004> I now see that I have to use the mysql plugin
[19-Nov-2009 11:50:32] <kisielk> argh, I hate when some syslog events get mapped to a different class each time
[19-Nov-2009 11:50:39] <kisielk> er, different component
[19-Nov-2009 12:45:56] <chudler> looks like 2.5.1 ENT came out today :-D
[19-Nov-2009 12:48:18] <chudler> I am currently drooling over those Los Alamos zenoss enhancements
[19-Nov-2009 13:02:41] <coofamani> chudler: link?
[19-Nov-2009 13:03:50] <chudler> blogs/zenossblog/2009/11/18/lanl-hpc-deployment-of-zenoss
[19-Nov-2009 13:04:07] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Zenoss Blog: No Node Left Behind: LANL HPC Deployment of Zenoss (at community.zenoss.org)
[19-Nov-2009 13:04:39] <twm1010> Afternoon all.
[19-Nov-2009 13:11:34] <twm1010> *crickets*
[19-Nov-2009 13:13:08] <cgibbons> exactly
[19-Nov-2009 13:45:54] <coofamani> anyone know of a way to reference an object using an index number, for example, if I want to see the 5th device in dmd.Monitors.Performance.collectorname.devices can I do something like dmd.Monitors.Performance.collectorname.devices[4]?
[19-Nov-2009 13:54:55] <rmatte> ok, time to try setting up my first auto-clearing event rule ever
[19-Nov-2009 14:01:41] jrock2004_ is now known as jrock2004
[19-Nov-2009 14:06:26] <coofamani> FYI, figured it out: dmd.Monitors.Performance.h0c1.devices.objectIdsAll()[i] where i is the index #
[19-Nov-2009 14:23:21] <rmatte> coofamani: cool
[19-Nov-2009 14:30:54] <davetoo> ok, so who's managed to create a collector that runs faster than 300-second intervals? I tried, this morning, but my RRD config must have been bad.
[19-Nov-2009 14:31:27] <twm1010> well... i think when the datapoints are created it takes the cycle time and uses that in the rrdcreate command
[19-Nov-2009 14:31:40] <twm1010> so if you create a faster collector, you'll have to run an RRD command to edit the existing files
[19-Nov-2009 14:32:05] <davetoo> I had no existing files for those devices
[19-Nov-2009 14:32:19] <davetoo> and the RRD dump did show the correct step interval
[19-Nov-2009 14:32:30] <davetoo> but the data never made it out of the PDPs into any of the RRAs
[19-Nov-2009 14:32:51] <twm1010> your second collector is a separate box entirely right? i haven't messed with this much
[19-Nov-2009 14:32:52] <davetoo> I could see the latest value updating correctly but nothing ever made it into the round-robinarchives
[19-Nov-2009 14:32:59] <twm1010> i tried to get a second collector going on the same box, was confusing
[19-Nov-2009 14:33:18] <davetoo> Enterprise or Core?
[19-Nov-2009 14:33:22] <twm1010> well, don't you know 600 datapoints before the archives start to generate? did you wait long enough?
[19-Nov-2009 14:33:23] <twm1010> core
[19-Nov-2009 14:33:30] <twm1010> err, don't you need?
[19-Nov-2009 14:33:32] <davetoo> I did it on Core about a year ago and yes, it was confusing.
[19-Nov-2009 14:33:54] <davetoo> 600? No, should be two, no?
[19-Nov-2009 14:34:17] <davetoo> 600 rows (by default) in all seven RRAs but the first RRA is a 1-step average
[19-Nov-2009 14:34:26] <twm1010> ah, I gotcha
[19-Nov-2009 14:34:44] <davetoo> I think :) I didn't actually make the same tests on a new default rrd. I should do so.
[19-Nov-2009 14:35:12] <twm1010> i'd love someone who really grasps the RRD stuff to explain it better than the documentation
[19-Nov-2009 14:35:22] <twm1010> most of it has clicked, but im still a little confused
[19-Nov-2009 14:35:24] <davetoo> But I had also lengthened them to 3600 rows to account for the shorter inverval + wanting more time
[19-Nov-2009 14:35:53] <twm1010> well, if you're on enterprise then, how about a support ticket :) ?
[19-Nov-2009 14:36:02] <davetoo> it's been sent :)
[19-Nov-2009 14:36:05] <twm1010> i'm curious, this is something people are asking me for
[19-Nov-2009 14:36:21] <twm1010> They want more information kept and better resolution for our e-commerce monitoring
[19-Nov-2009 14:36:23] <davetoo> I think there are docs out there but I haven't found them again yet
[19-Nov-2009 14:36:35] <twm1010> I'm scheming now to just bring up a second ZenossVM just to monitor those 12-14 boxes
[19-Nov-2009 14:36:40] <davetoo> tell them to buy a Netapp for you :)
[19-Nov-2009 14:37:00] <twm1010> Oh we already got two of those remember?
[19-Nov-2009 14:37:31] <twm1010> FAS3140 and a NearStore300 :) I'm currently trying to get the dedupe software for the VTL :)
[19-Nov-2009 14:37:47] <davetoo> I have CRS :)
[19-Nov-2009 14:38:18] <davetoo> plus only two hours of sleep last night trying to make a deadline on my zenoss project
[19-Nov-2009 14:40:08] <rmatte> does anyone here have experience with setting up a trap event to clear another trap event?
[19-Nov-2009 14:40:49] <twm1010> like an interface up trap clearing an interface down trap?
[19-Nov-2009 14:40:58] <rmatte> I get events like: Wireless Interface is DOWN on <device> and Wireless Interface is UP on <device> which come in simultaneously, unless the interface is actually hard down I want it to immediately clear
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:22] <rmatte> so what do I have to set to do that?
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:30] <davetoo> how much delay is there in between those two?
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:38] <rmatte> literally none
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:43] <davetoo> do they clear normally if there is a delay?
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:44] <rmatte> they have the same timestamps when they come in
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:51] <rmatte> no, they don't
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:53] <davetoo> dang
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:58] <rmatte> I need to actually setup the clearing, never done it before
[19-Nov-2009 14:42:11] <rmatte> (it's probably the one basic thing I haven't done in Zenoss yet)
[19-Nov-2009 14:42:19] <davetoo> I've never done anything explicit, the defaults seem to work
[19-Nov-2009 14:42:38] <rmatte> defaults work fine on ping and stuff like that
[19-Nov-2009 14:42:54] <rmatte> but I need to configure the up trap to clear the down trap
[19-Nov-2009 14:42:57] <davetoo> well I've never used traps or syslog yet
[19-Nov-2009 14:43:21] <davetoo> There is a Clear Event field is there not?
[19-Nov-2009 14:43:52] <rmatte> there is "zEventClearClasses"
[19-Nov-2009 14:43:57] <davetoo> but don't know about the timing there. Some of the event stuff is scanned periodically rather than being asynchronous
[19-Nov-2009 14:44:02] <rmatte> but I'm reading some stuff on it and getting mixed instructions
[19-Nov-2009 14:44:30] <rmatte> nah, it should clear it anyways, the down is probably coming in a split second before the up
[19-Nov-2009 14:44:35] <rmatte> like milliseconds before
[19-Nov-2009 14:45:07] <cgibbons> if a clear event is procesed by the event system that matches previous events (the clear classes and other attributes) then it makes those other events cleared
[19-Nov-2009 14:45:33] <rmatte> oh, it's the zEventClassKey that you put in zEventClearClasses?
[19-Nov-2009 14:45:33] <cgibbons> i was just in that code for an enterprise issue similar, our trapforwarder zenpack & clears
[19-Nov-2009 14:45:43] <cgibbons> sec, lemme point you @ the code, it might be easier to read than me to describe
[19-Nov-2009 14:47:13] <rmatte> I think I've sort of figured it out, going to test...
[19-Nov-2009 14:47:20] <cgibbons> look in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenEvents/MySqlSendEvent.py line 184
[19-Nov-2009 14:47:42] <cgibbons> and then the buildClearUpdate it calls
[19-Nov-2009 14:47:46] <cgibbons> if you wanna know the gory details of what it's doing
[19-Nov-2009 14:47:57] <rmatte> hmmm, it does it based on the event class, that's a bit odd
[19-Nov-2009 14:48:54] <rmatte> cgibbons: I assume you're talking about 2.5?
[19-Nov-2009 14:49:08] <cgibbons> well that's what i'm looking at. i don't think it's changed much, but it might be
[19-Nov-2009 14:49:19] <rmatte> line 184 in this code is...
[19-Nov-2009 14:49:21] <rmatte> evid = rs[0]
[19-Nov-2009 14:50:06] <cgibbons> hmm that's further down like 10 lines from mine. but it's in the sendEvent function that i think you're in, where it calls clearClasses() and then buildClearUpdate
[19-Nov-2009 14:50:35] <rmatte> hmmm, I foresee a possible complication with doing this auto-closing
[19-Nov-2009 14:51:33] <rmatte> the events come from 1 device (as wireless controller) but it sends traps for all sorts of different base stations. I don't want it to clear unless the event actually came in for the same base station, I can possibly do that with a transform
[19-Nov-2009 14:52:30] <rmatte> I'll have to have the transform read through the active events and if it finds one that matches, close it
[19-Nov-2009 14:52:40] <davetoo> rmatte: you can always browse the source on the public trac server
[19-Nov-2009 14:52:57] <rmatte> davetoo: yeh, I know
[19-Nov-2009 14:53:18] <rmatte> davetoo: I just don't think it has the functionality that I need (doesn't appear to, this is a pretty special case)
[19-Nov-2009 14:53:31] <rmatte> I think I know how I'll do it... going to try it now
[19-Nov-2009 15:00:24] <jrock2004> rmatte: Do you remember when I talked about monitoring connections amount of MySQL
[19-Nov-2009 15:01:22] <davetoo> Ah, nothing like sending 2MB of binary CPIO output to your xterm to make your afternoon
[19-Nov-2009 15:02:21] <rmatte> Here's what I came up with as a transform
[19-Nov-2009 15:02:23] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/m274a6728
[19-Nov-2009 15:02:33] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[19-Nov-2009 15:03:30] <rmatte> basically when an interface down event comes in for one of the accesspoints it combs through the events in the event console, if the event summary of any of the events contains "Wireless Interface is DOWN" and it has a matching base station id to the current event, then it moves it to history and changes it's severity to clear
[19-Nov-2009 15:03:43] <rmatte> it should theoretically work (the code didn't turn red when I submitted it)
[19-Nov-2009 15:05:01] <rmatte> oh oops
[19-Nov-2009 15:05:12] <rmatte> oh no wait, thought I had made a mistake
[19-Nov-2009 15:06:51] <rmatte> ah nevermind it did turn red bah
[19-Nov-2009 15:06:56] <rmatte> ok, time to troubleshoot...
[19-Nov-2009 15:07:27] <davetoo> I wonder if you'd want to act only on New events
[19-Nov-2009 15:07:53] <rmatte> well, not in our case
[19-Nov-2009 15:07:58] RoninX341 is now known as etank
[19-Nov-2009 15:08:23] <rmatte> hmmm, I wonder what it's not liking about this...
[19-Nov-2009 15:08:29] <davetoo> cevt = clear event?
[19-Nov-2009 15:08:38] <davetoo> Looks like you're only setting th e clear event to history
[19-Nov-2009 15:08:54] <davetoo> no I'm wrong
[19-Nov-2009 15:09:02] <rmatte> correct, because I'm setting the current event's severity to 0
[19-Nov-2009 15:09:06] <rmatte> which is technically just as good
[19-Nov-2009 15:09:31] <davetoo> ok, but does it get reaped out to history?
[19-Nov-2009 15:10:05] <davetoo> debug is nice .. if you clean up or have aging
[19-Nov-2009 15:10:47] <rmatte> davetoo: it gets moved to history if you set the severity to 0 in my experience
[19-Nov-2009 15:10:54] <rmatte> but I'll add a line to move it anyways
[19-Nov-2009 15:14:03] <coofamani> hmm... lets say your doing something in zendmd and you've changed you mind, what's the opposite of commit()?
[19-Nov-2009 15:14:18] <rmatte> coofamani: there isn't, once it's commited you're done
[19-Nov-2009 15:14:23] <coofamani> I havent commited yet
[19-Nov-2009 15:14:29] <rmatte> ctrl-d to exit
[19-Nov-2009 15:14:31] <rmatte> lol
[19-Nov-2009 15:14:33] <coofamani> heh
[19-Nov-2009 15:14:38] <rmatte> as long as you haven't done commit()
[19-Nov-2009 15:15:11] <coofamani> yup, thanks
[19-Nov-2009 15:15:35] <davetoo> right
[19-Nov-2009 15:18:37] <rmatte> eugh, no idea why it doesn't like this transform
[19-Nov-2009 15:21:09] <rmatte> cgibbons: any idea why this wouldn't work as a transform? http://pastebin.com/meae1ca7
[19-Nov-2009 15:21:19] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[19-Nov-2009 15:21:20] <cgibbons> i know zilch about transforms
[19-Nov-2009 15:21:46] <rmatte> k, I always assumed that if you could do it in zendmd you could do it in a transform, but evidently not
[19-Nov-2009 15:22:24] <rmatte> actually, not a bad idea, going to run this through zendmd and see if it works
[19-Nov-2009 15:24:53] <rmatte> oh, I think I may know why
[19-Nov-2009 15:28:09] <rmatte> finally fixed it
[19-Nov-2009 15:28:15] <rmatte> indenting was wrong (stupid me)
[19-Nov-2009 15:28:33] <rmatte> now, time to wait and see if it works
[19-Nov-2009 15:29:00] <davetoo> With Enterprise,should I be able to configure a second hub on the main hub/db host?
[19-Nov-2009 15:29:32] <rmatte> davetoo: a second local you mean?
[19-Nov-2009 15:29:35] <rmatte> davetoo: I believe so
[19-Nov-2009 15:29:44] <rmatte> davetoo: I don't see why you wouldn't be able to
[19-Nov-2009 15:30:29] <davetoo> yeah; testing on dev system but seems not to be doing anything
[19-Nov-2009 15:30:49] <davetoo> I'm probably trying to do to many things at once
[19-Nov-2009 15:33:40] <rmatte> possibly
[19-Nov-2009 15:36:16] <davetoo> ok this should be confusing :) Another hub and another collector on the local machine
[19-Nov-2009 15:38:16] <jrock2004> While running via command line the check_mysql_status.py I am getting error:: Error importing MySQLdb module. This is a pre-requisite.
[19-Nov-2009 15:38:51] <rmatte> jrock2004: is there a line that says import MySQLdb?
[19-Nov-2009 15:38:55] <rmatte> in the script
[19-Nov-2009 15:39:24] <davetoo> is that a zenoss tool/plugin?
[19-Nov-2009 15:39:30] <rmatte> no
[19-Nov-2009 15:39:36] <davetoo> if so, are you running it as the zenoss user; ok, n/mind :)
[19-Nov-2009 15:39:38] <rmatte> that the general MySQL library
[19-Nov-2009 15:39:53] <rmatte> but he should be running the script as the zenoss user anyways
[19-Nov-2009 15:39:58] <jrock2004> I ran it as the zenoss user and if I take out at the end of the command -g -
[19-Nov-2009 15:40:01] <rmatte> since I know for a fact that that can be imported as the zenoss user
[19-Nov-2009 15:40:02] <jrock2004> it works
[19-Nov-2009 15:40:12] <rmatte> I have it importing in my ticket create daemon as the zenoss user
[19-Nov-2009 15:40:33] <rmatte> well what is -g -?
[19-Nov-2009 15:40:40] <eidolon> hi folks - can i have the Apache monitor use a different url for server-status ?
[19-Nov-2009 15:40:59] <jrock2004> I am going to look at the check_mysql_stat.py now
[19-Nov-2009 15:41:53] <jrock2004> that -g - is showing up in the event console when I double clikc on the event
[19-Nov-2009 15:42:59] <rmatte> jrock2004: showing up under what?
[19-Nov-2009 15:43:06] <jrock2004> message
[19-Nov-2009 15:43:54] <jrock2004> now this plugin works for my other database stuff
[19-Nov-2009 15:44:10] <davetoo> sweet, got a second local hub running, with it's own collector.
[19-Nov-2009 15:44:22] <davetoo> Now I can leave one running at -v10 and move stuff there when I need to debug.
[19-Nov-2009 15:44:59] <jrock2004> I am wondering if that -g - is something that the event console added
[19-Nov-2009 15:45:25] <jrock2004> def __init__(self, host, port, user, passwd, gstatus):
[19-Nov-2009 15:46:28] <rmatte> jrock2004: it might just be garbage from the script output?
[19-Nov-2009 15:48:20] <jrock2004> ah that -g is to get show global status
[19-Nov-2009 15:48:50] <rmatte> oh sure, now that I finally get this transform ready the wireless interfaces stop resetting :P
[19-Nov-2009 15:48:56] <jrock2004> I might need to give some permission to the zenos user
[19-Nov-2009 15:48:57] <rmatte> ah I see
[19-Nov-2009 15:49:03] <rmatte> yeh
[19-Nov-2009 15:50:41] <jrock2004> if I take out the -g in the command line it works
[19-Nov-2009 15:52:01] <gwb2352> success! stupid older NetApps not having OIDs. (see post to zenpack list)
[19-Nov-2009 15:52:09] <rmatte> right, but you're probably not getting as advanced of status
[19-Nov-2009 15:52:32] <rmatte> gwb2352: updated NetApp ZenPack?
[19-Nov-2009 15:53:32] <jrock2004> granting more privilage to zenoss user in mysql db model device and trying again
[19-Nov-2009 15:53:58] <gwb2352> no, just tracked down where the community netapp zenpack was working on newer (7.3.x) filers, but not on older (7.0.x)
[19-Nov-2009 15:54:20] <gwb2352> and modified the zenpack to remove querying for those OIDs... not an elegant solution, but progress
[19-Nov-2009 15:55:48] <rmatte> ah
[19-Nov-2009 15:57:53] <jrock2004> could it be that the version of mysql server that
[19-Nov-2009 15:58:03] <jrock2004> I am trying to connect to is too old?
[19-Nov-2009 15:59:41] <jrock2004> yep that is it.
[19-Nov-2009 16:00:37] <jrock2004> but what gets me that in the code it has ifgstatus do show global status else show status
[19-Nov-2009 16:04:16] <rmatte> so?
[19-Nov-2009 16:05:24] <jrock2004> well it is generating event cause it cant do the -g and it appears to not do the else statemwnt
[19-Nov-2009 16:09:16] <rmatte> yeh, because it's not designed to
[19-Nov-2009 16:09:31] <rmatte> the else is if ifgstatus exists
[19-Nov-2009 16:09:40] <rmatte> if it exists it's only going to do show global
[19-Nov-2009 16:09:57] <rmatte> if it doesn't exist it's only going to do show status
[19-Nov-2009 16:10:22] <rmatte> there's nothing in that code that says "If you're unable to pull global and receive an error, then show status"
[19-Nov-2009 16:10:48] <jrock2004> ok
[19-Nov-2009 16:19:37] <jrock2004> ok so even though I am getting this error about the global status Zenoss still told me about the too many connections
[19-Nov-2009 16:21:04] <jrock2004> So my question is if I acknoldge the event will I still get repeated emails each time this even gets updated?
[19-Nov-2009 16:21:40] <jrock2004> So if I acknowledge the event but dont close it I should never get an email again next time this event updates, correct?
[19-Nov-2009 16:25:08] <kobalt> rmatte: how goes your ticket creation script
[19-Nov-2009 16:29:39] <rmatte> kobalt: pretty much done for now, hasn't crashed yet today on any of the boxes, or last night
[19-Nov-2009 16:29:53] <kobalt> rmatte: sweet!
[19-Nov-2009 16:29:58] <rmatte> kobalt: going to be adding a few enhancements to it over the next couple of weeks
[19-Nov-2009 16:30:56] <kobalt> rmatte: we may be going to a similar ticketing system, and that feature would be sweet hehe
[19-Nov-2009 16:31:36] <rmatte> you'd have to probably mod the code a bit, but yeh, once I have the final product I'll release it publicly just as a guideline
[19-Nov-2009 16:31:54] <rmatte> since I put a ton of work in to it
[19-Nov-2009 16:35:20] <rmatte> lmao: http://dmon.org/graphics/ditto-xmas.jpg
[19-Nov-2009 16:36:09] <kobalt> that is funny!
[19-Nov-2009 16:37:18] <rmatte> it so reminds me of how one of my friends does things
[19-Nov-2009 16:37:24] <rmatte> always half-assed but grandesque
[19-Nov-2009 16:37:30] <jrock2004> rmatte: can we see a screenshot of this in action?
[19-Nov-2009 16:37:41] <rmatte> jrock2004: what in action?
[19-Nov-2009 16:37:52] <jrock2004> How the ticket system looks in zenoss
[19-Nov-2009 16:38:04] <rmatte> jrock2004: oh, the ticket system isn't actually in Zenoss
[19-Nov-2009 16:38:14] <jrock2004> ah
[19-Nov-2009 16:38:31] <rmatte> jrock2004: each of my production Zenoss servers (9 of them) has a daemon called zenticket which I wrote running on them
[19-Nov-2009 16:38:45] <kobalt> rmatte: does the your script create a ticket automaticly on every event or do you have the option to create a ticket
[19-Nov-2009 16:38:55] <jrock2004> oh so when an event gets generated it creates a ticket
[19-Nov-2009 16:39:09] <rmatte> one sec, I did a wiki writeup of it, let me grab that and put it somewhere for you to read...
[19-Nov-2009 16:39:18] <rmatte> it's a bit more intelligent than that
[19-Nov-2009 16:41:40] <jrock2004> ah
[19-Nov-2009 16:43:40] <Rocinante> http://pastebin.ca/1678475 <-- that just feels wrong. It works, it just feels wrong.
[19-Nov-2009 16:43:47] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Unnamed - post number 1678475 (at pastebin.ca)
[19-Nov-2009 16:44:19] <Rocinante> Felt more wrong when I started importing ldap, and wanted to translate "uid" to the real user ID ("uid" is the uid number).. gave up on that for now, not enough coffee.
[19-Nov-2009 16:44:38] <rmatte> here: http://dmon.org/zenticket.html
[19-Nov-2009 16:44:56] <rmatte> that's the best I can do in terms of posting the wiki entry publicly while maintaining the general formatting
[19-Nov-2009 16:46:13] <davetoo> yes why did they have to do that?
[19-Nov-2009 16:46:42] <davetoo> so now I have this problem with running two collectors on the same host
[19-Nov-2009 16:47:09] <davetoo> they share an etc directory; how to I create a DAEMONS_TXT_ONLY that affects only one of the collectors? :)
[19-Nov-2009 16:47:23] <davetoo> I don't think I get to
[19-Nov-2009 16:47:34] <davetoo> oh, they're combined.
[19-Nov-2009 16:47:35] <davetoo> n/mind
[19-Nov-2009 16:49:46] <kobalt> rmatte: nice I like it
[19-Nov-2009 16:49:56] <rmatte> kobalt: thanks
[19-Nov-2009 16:52:42] <rmatte> took a lot of research and coding to get to this point, still have some dev work to do on it
[19-Nov-2009 16:54:38] <rmatte> plus I want it to make it through a whole week without crashing before I declare it 100% stable, but it should be now, I added an exception for the MySQL error that I was coming across from time to time
[19-Nov-2009 16:56:26] <kobalt> Sweet, Im just starting to learn python myself, but find I can follow code I am looking forward to seeing how this is done (if you release it hehe)
[19-Nov-2009 16:57:16] <jrock2004> Well to head home. See you guys later
[19-Nov-2009 16:57:27] <rmatte> yeh, I'm just starting to get good at python, didn't know any when I started using Zenoss about a year ago
[19-Nov-2009 16:57:40] <rmatte> I still have a ways to go though
[19-Nov-2009 16:58:31] <kobalt> I was happy I was able to get a zendmd script figured out to reset the communities on about 140 devices hehe
[19-Nov-2009 17:01:25] <rmatte> hehe
[19-Nov-2009 17:01:34] <rmatte> yeh, a lot nicer than doing it by hand
[19-Nov-2009 17:01:54] <kobalt> oh yeah, I would still be at it lol
[19-Nov-2009 17:02:26] <rmatte> here's a screenshot of our customized version of OTRS: http://dmon.org/otrs.png
[19-Nov-2009 17:02:32] <rmatte> ah cra
[19-Nov-2009 17:02:34] <rmatte> crap*
[19-Nov-2009 17:02:47] <rmatte> one sec
[19-Nov-2009 17:03:44] <davetoo> nice 404
[19-Nov-2009 17:05:03] <rmatte> try again
[19-Nov-2009 17:06:40] <davetoo> cool
[19-Nov-2009 17:07:02] <davetoo> I dislike the syntax of the threshold violation text messages
[19-Nov-2009 17:07:19] <davetoo> "threshold of 'foo' 'bar''
[19-Nov-2009 17:07:25] <davetoo> can be confusing
[19-Nov-2009 17:07:42] <rmatte> davetoo: our ticket creation script uses that syntax to auto-correlate
[19-Nov-2009 17:07:52] <rmatte> davetoo: and it's honestly not that confusing
[19-Nov-2009 17:08:07] <rmatte> davetoo: memory threshold was exceeded on device blah, 96% utilization
[19-Nov-2009 17:08:12] <davetoo> for us
[19-Nov-2009 17:08:22] <davetoo> for my NOC people it's going to be
[19-Nov-2009 17:08:33] <rmatte> our NOC people are fine with it
[19-Nov-2009 17:08:37] <rmatte> they know exactly what it means
[19-Nov-2009 17:08:59] <rmatte> quite honestly, if your NOC people can't figure that out you need to hire new NOC people lol
[19-Nov-2009 17:09:08] <rmatte> we don't even have the cream of the crop here and there are no issues
[19-Nov-2009 17:09:09] <rmatte> :)
[19-Nov-2009 17:09:12] <davetoo> oh these guys will learn; i can't remember right now but there are some messages that are kind of nonsensical
[19-Nov-2009 17:09:24] <davetoo> rmatte: where is your NOC located physically?
[19-Nov-2009 17:09:32] <rmatte> Ottawa, Canada
[19-Nov-2009 17:09:48] <rmatte> we're a pretty techy city
[19-Nov-2009 17:09:55] <davetoo> let me put it this way: I would by FAR rather talk to these guys by IM or email, because I cannot understand their accent.
[19-Nov-2009 17:10:06] <rmatte> ah, that's brutal
[19-Nov-2009 17:10:15] <rmatte> yeh, nah, that's not an issue here
[19-Nov-2009 17:10:23] <davetoo> so the syntax might be confusing; anyway they'll figure it out.
[19-Nov-2009 17:10:33] <rmatte> we actually stole some of our clients from an indian NOC because they sucked so badly
[19-Nov-2009 17:10:44] <drbrown> I have an absolute newb question that I am sorry for asking, I have zenoss 2.5 running on ubuntu 9.10, and I can't seem to get any zenpacks to install, I keep getting missing directory errors
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:08] <rmatte> drbrown: if the zenpacks are .egg.zip files you need to unzip them before installing
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:24] <rmatte> drbrown: you also need to make sure you're installing them as the Zenoss user, not as root or anything
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:26] <drbrown> I'm an idiot, thanks
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:34] <rmatte> np
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:44] <davetoo> so this is cool, if roundabout: I have a way to debug my topology/pingtree problems now without disrupting production. I set up a second zenhub daemon on the db host, and a second collector on each of the remotes. I run this debug hub at -v10, run zenping one time on the remote, and watch the pingtree build. Or not.
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:48] <drbrown> rmatte, is that matt???
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:50] <rmatte> they aren't really supposed to be zipped but the new community site auto-zips them
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:59] <rmatte> no, my last name is Matte
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:03] <rmatte> first name Ryan
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:17] <rmatte> You talking about Matt Ray?
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:30] <drbrown> sorry, didn't know what Mr. Ray's handle was, I haven't spoke to him since OHLF
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:36] <drbrown> yes, Matt Ray
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:38] <rmatte> ah, he's mrayzenoss
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:46] <rmatte> he's on matternity leave at the moment
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:49] <drbrown> cool
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:53] <rmatte> erm, patternity leave rather
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:57] <rmatte> lol
[19-Nov-2009 17:13:03] <drbrown> I'll have to send him an email congratulating him
[19-Nov-2009 17:13:15] <rmatte> I'm sure he'd appreciate it ;)
[19-Nov-2009 17:13:48] <drbrown> if any of the guys who helped at OLF are here, thanks for the training, it's much appreciated
[19-Nov-2009 17:14:06] <rmatte> not sure if anyone from Zenoss Inc is around at the moment
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:00] <clustermagnet> gents... just installed the latest zenoss from source
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:07] * rmatte cringes
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:12] <rmatte> clustermagnet: on what OS?
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:15] <clustermagnet> rmatte: :)
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:19] <clustermagnet> centos 5
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:26] <clustermagnet> when does the installer create the mysql db?
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:28] <rmatte> ah, thought you were going to say FreeBSD
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:31] <clustermagnet> during compile... or after you install
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:35] * rmatte breathes a sigh of relief
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:36] <davetoo> BeOS
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:42] <rmatte> clustermagnet: why on earth did you compile from source?
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:50] <rmatte> well, install from source, rather
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:13] <davetoo> I used to have not-good-luck with the rpms, so I did that for a long time.
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:16] <davetoo> Back in the 1.x days
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:16] <rmatte> clustermagnet: If you do it from source it's by hand, if you install via rpms like you should if you're using CentOS, then it's automatic
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:24] <rmatte> If you install from stack installer it's automatic as well
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:29] <clustermagnet> rmatte: the mysql installation is by hand?
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:32] <clustermagnet> hmmmm, not in the docs
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:33] <clustermagnet> one sec
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:48] <rmatte> Use the stack installer and it literally installs everything you need, including MySQL
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:59] <rmatte> don't do it from source, you'll just give yourself a headache
[19-Nov-2009 17:17:04] <clustermagnet> rmatte: unfortunately, i have to do this by hand, long time to explain :)
[19-Nov-2009 17:17:08] <davetoo> ?
[19-Nov-2009 17:17:13] <davetoo> well, get some aspirin
[19-Nov-2009 17:17:29] <clustermagnet> so anyways... following the install manual...
[19-Nov-2009 17:17:34] <clustermagnet> it doesnt mention the mysql install
[19-Nov-2009 17:17:41] <clustermagnet> so no wonder its not able to connect :)
[19-Nov-2009 17:17:50] <clustermagnet> all i did was setup the mysql database, user/pw
[19-Nov-2009 17:18:19] <clustermagnet> so i setup the db myself huh... let me read up, but
[19-Nov-2009 17:18:26] <davetoo> the RPM install guide might be another source to help you understand the dependencies.
[19-Nov-2009 17:19:10] <clustermagnet> davetoo: thats exactly what im reading :)
[19-Nov-2009 17:19:25] <clustermagnet> davetoo: im not going to recompile... i'll see if dropping in the msyql database is enough :)
[19-Nov-2009 17:19:56] <rmatte> clustermagnet: good luck updating Zenoss in the future, you'll have to go through that whole song and dance each time lol
[19-Nov-2009 17:20:14] <rmatte> the source build stuff I mean
[19-Nov-2009 17:20:23] <clustermagnet> rmatte: no worries!
[19-Nov-2009 17:21:10] <kisielk> I think there's some major problems in my zenoss database
[19-Nov-2009 17:21:20] <kisielk> but I don't know what I can do to fix it :/
[19-Nov-2009 17:21:50] <rmatte> gotta run for the night folks, be back tomorrow
[19-Nov-2009 17:40:10] <davetoo> later
[19-Nov-2009 18:00:32] <jb> 1.5.7
[19-Nov-2009 18:00:33] <jb> is curent
[19-Nov-2009 18:01:36] <jb> oops
[19-Nov-2009 18:52:54] <davetoo> ruh roh
[19-Nov-2009 18:53:11] <davetoo> INFO ZEO.StorageServer (28004/127.0.0.1:56401) Transaction blocked waiting for storage. Clients waiting: 1
[19-Nov-2009 18:53:49] * davetoo goes to join #zope
[19-Nov-2009 18:58:16] <ErikRose_> /topic something about 2.5.1 being out :-)
[19-Nov-2009 19:04:16] <davetoo> right
[19-Nov-2009 19:44:32] <cgibbons_> hrmph didn't do the right URL, but matt will live :)
[19-Nov-2009 19:53:46] cgibbons_ is now known as cgibbons
[19-Nov-2009 20:18:28] <davetoo> what does zenjobs do?
[19-Nov-2009 20:18:46] <davetoo> it
[19-Nov-2009 20:19:15] <davetoo> something is hanging up my zeo daemon :(
[19-Nov-2009 20:19:24] <davetoo> tcp 10604 0 127.0.0.1:50715 127.0.0.1:8100 ESTABLISHED
[19-Nov-2009 20:19:43] <davetoo> that's zenjobs with a growing backlog into zeo
[19-Nov-2009 20:46:43] <cgibbons> right now zenjobs just does a very few things, the add-device wizard uses it, and maybe regular discovery
[19-Nov-2009 21:00:11] <davetoo> how bizarre: somehow I ended up with a /22 network as a child of a /24 network
[19-Nov-2009 21:00:43] <davetoo> 'k I was trying to figure out if I could omit it, but I don't think it's the cause of my blocking problem, just a symptom.
[19-Nov-2009 21:01:17] <davetoo> INFO ZEO.StorageServer (28004/127.0.0.1:56401) Transaction blocked waiting for storage. Clients waiting: 1
[19-Nov-2009 21:01:36] <davetoo> Google seems to think that this is caused by some client hanging in the middle of a 2-phase commit
[19-Nov-2009 21:01:42] <adytum-bot> davetoo: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[19-Nov-2009 21:01:48] <davetoo> hah
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[20-Nov-2009 08:03:15] <AsGF2MX> .
[20-Nov-2009 08:06:23] <AsGF2MX> Anyone building templates with ZenOSS 2.5.1?
[20-Nov-2009 08:07:31] <AsGF2MX> Anyone?
[20-Nov-2009 08:08:08] <rmatte> like, device templates?
[20-Nov-2009 08:10:41] <AsGF2MX> Yep
[20-Nov-2009 08:11:03] <AsGF2MX> On my 2.5.1 install, I can add data sources but can't add data points
[20-Nov-2009 08:11:45] <AsGF2MX> The frame or section for data points doesn't show.
[20-Nov-2009 08:12:11] <rmatte> that's because you're adding an snmp type data source, correct?
[20-Nov-2009 08:12:24] <AsGF2MX> Yes
[20-Nov-2009 08:12:41] <rmatte> You are probably used to Zenoss 2.3.x I'm assuming?
[20-Nov-2009 08:12:59] <rmatte> Ever since 2.4, Zenoss adds the datapoints automatically for snmp type data sources
[20-Nov-2009 08:13:08] <AsGF2MX> Oh
[20-Nov-2009 08:13:10] <rmatte> you only have to manually add datapoints for command based data sources
[20-Nov-2009 08:14:23] <rmatte> the datapoint will be named after the data source, so if the data source is named "Fred", when you add a graphpoint to a graph you'll see "Fred_Fred"
[20-Nov-2009 08:14:47] <AsGF2MX> That explains why even ethernetcounter data sources are gone
[20-Nov-2009 08:14:54] <rmatte> correct
[20-Nov-2009 08:15:19] <rmatte> if you really really want to access the actual datapoints you can go in to the zope management interface, but there's no real point
[20-Nov-2009 08:16:05] <AsGF2MX> I have a counter than I am getting (from a printer to be exact). How do I go about display that once as a gauge (I want the total) and once as a counter (want to see utilization)?
[20-Nov-2009 08:16:16] <AsGF2MX> Do I literally need to add two data sources?
[20-Nov-2009 08:16:37] <AsGF2MX> *of two different types
[20-Nov-2009 08:16:39] <rmatte> yeh, you do
[20-Nov-2009 08:17:11] <AsGF2MX> Does this break Zenpacks between 2.3 and 2.4/2.5?
[20-Nov-2009 08:17:13] <rmatte> since the RRD file gets created specifically based on whether it's gauge, counter, etc...
[20-Nov-2009 08:17:26] <rmatte> AsGF2MX: no, it does not
[20-Nov-2009 08:17:39] <AsGF2MX> Got it.
[20-Nov-2009 08:17:51] <AsGF2MX> docs/DOC-3908
[20-Nov-2009 08:17:58] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 6.2 2 Performance Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[20-Nov-2009 08:17:58] <rmatte> AsGF2MX: the datapoints are handled in the exact same way as before, they are just hidden to the user if it's an snmp based data source
[20-Nov-2009 08:18:23] <AsGF2MX> The screenshot needs to be updated there.
[20-Nov-2009 08:18:57] <AsGF2MX> It's showing the datapoint and the data type is SNMP...threw me for a loop until you cleared it up.
[20-Nov-2009 08:18:59] <rmatte> yeh, I'll pass that along to Matt Ray when he gets back from his patternity leave
[20-Nov-2009 08:19:42] <AsGF2MX> Thanks
[20-Nov-2009 08:20:23] <rmatte> np
[20-Nov-2009 08:20:29] <AsGF2MX> Let me quickly put in those counters and see if it plots.
[20-Nov-2009 08:20:40] <rmatte> cool
[20-Nov-2009 08:37:17] <AsGF2MX> Something's plotting but a lot of nan so far.
[20-Nov-2009 08:42:08] <rmatte> takes 3 polling cycles for it to start graphing (15 mins)
[20-Nov-2009 08:42:16] <AsGF2MX> Oh
[20-Nov-2009 08:42:29] <rmatte> otherwise you see nan
[20-Nov-2009 08:42:47] <AsGF2MX> On one, I see nan, on the other I see the scrollbars.
[20-Nov-2009 08:42:50] <AsGF2MX> No plot
[20-Nov-2009 08:43:29] <AsGF2MX> I thought it was one polling cycle before (2.3).
[20-Nov-2009 08:43:31] <AsGF2MX> Correct?
[20-Nov-2009 08:45:00] <rmatte> no
[20-Nov-2009 08:45:05] <rmatte> it has always been 3 polling cycles
[20-Nov-2009 08:45:08] <rmatte> it's nothing new
[20-Nov-2009 08:45:44] <rmatte> you should at least see a graph with nan
[20-Nov-2009 08:45:48] <rmatte> if you don't then there's an issue
[20-Nov-2009 08:47:41] <AsGF2MX> I am seeing a graph with nan but on the one that measures the difference (derive), I see nothing even though I know the counters have incremented
[20-Nov-2009 08:48:24] <rmatte> wait until the nan is gone for starters
[20-Nov-2009 08:48:31] <cgibbons> hmmm that would be a good enhancement
[20-Nov-2009 08:48:45] <rmatte> what would?
[20-Nov-2009 08:49:13] <cgibbons> the collectors could detect (zenwinperf already does something similar) that it's an empty datapoint and do the right # of fetches right away to get an initial value for users to see
[20-Nov-2009 08:49:46] <rmatte> yeh, that would be nice
[20-Nov-2009 08:49:51] <cgibbons> that initial delay is always annoying. i pretty much run my collection cycles down at < 30 secs all teh time for that reason, but then i'm not collecting real data
[20-Nov-2009 08:49:54] <rmatte> because that's such a common question in here
[20-Nov-2009 08:49:57] <cgibbons> yep
[20-Nov-2009 08:50:10] <rmatte> I think I've said the words "wait 3 polling cycles (15 minutes)" about 3 gazillion times
[20-Nov-2009 08:50:14] <cgibbons> it was a common minor complaint on some of the other systems ive worked with too
[20-Nov-2009 08:50:32] <AsGF2MX> Hmm
[20-Nov-2009 08:51:24] <AsGF2MX> As long as it doesn't go to the "Missing RRD..." or the big red x, it should be ok
[20-Nov-2009 08:55:17] <rmatte> Missing RRD is before nan, not after
[20-Nov-2009 08:57:41] <AsGF2MX> So far, I got values on the first graph but absolutely no reaction the second one
[20-Nov-2009 08:58:33] <AsGF2MX> I think a feature add would be more like "Please wait...your data will be collected in 3 cycles!"
[20-Nov-2009 08:59:02] <AsGF2MX> *the
[20-Nov-2009 09:03:15] <AsGF2MX> Since these devices are on pretty low traffic right now, I will wait and check it out in the morning.
[20-Nov-2009 09:04:07] <AsGF2MX> Having said that, thanks rmatte. You solved my confusion with the datasources and points
[20-Nov-2009 09:05:18] <rmatte> no problem, though the fact that they are on slow links shouldn't affect it, that's just 1 more OID to collect
[20-Nov-2009 09:05:19] <AsGF2MX> nite
[20-Nov-2009 09:05:24] <rmatte> later
[20-Nov-2009 09:20:22] <jrock2004> If I use the apache template on a web server that requires a password, can I tell the template what the credentials are?
[20-Nov-2009 09:21:44] <rmatte> jrock2004: read the documentation for the ZenPack
[20-Nov-2009 09:21:56] <jrock2004> rmatte: Oh darn :)
[20-Nov-2009 09:22:02] <jrock2004> ok will do lol
[20-Nov-2009 09:22:06] <rmatte> :P
[20-Nov-2009 09:22:08] <rmatte> lol
[20-Nov-2009 09:22:16] <rmatte> if it's not in the documentation then chances are that you can't do it
[20-Nov-2009 09:26:11] <rmatte> docs/DOC-2717
[20-Nov-2009 09:26:18] <rmatte> doesn't look like it as far as I can see
[20-Nov-2009 09:26:18] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 2.3 Enable Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[20-Nov-2009 09:27:36] <rmatte> here's a newer version of the doc: docs/DOC-3994
[20-Nov-2009 09:27:43] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 3.3 3 Enable Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[20-Nov-2009 09:27:51] <rmatte> stil no mention of username/password authentication though
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:31] <rmatte> you can user sort of an access list for the server-status page though
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:32] <rmatte> such as:
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:33] <rmatte> <Location /server-status>SetHandler server-status
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:33] <rmatte> Order deny,allowDeny from all
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:33] <rmatte> Allow from externalzenoss.example.com 192.168.10.0/24
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:33] <rmatte> </Location>
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:39] <rmatte> s/user/use
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:50] <jrock2004> I think what I need to do is edit the htaccess file to allow from ip
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:58] <rmatte> that would work
[20-Nov-2009 09:29:20] <jrock2004> cause I am using an .htaccess file to password protect it
[20-Nov-2009 09:29:31] * jrock2004 is googling for proper syntax
[20-Nov-2009 09:29:31] <twm1010> Are you trying to allow a portion of the zenoss website out so another site can reference it?
[20-Nov-2009 09:29:39] <twm1010> i've wanted to do that for a while.
[20-Nov-2009 09:30:02] <jrock2004> I want to get apache statistics on a website that the root directory is password protected
[20-Nov-2009 09:30:16] <jrock2004> I am getting errors cause zenoss cannot authenticate
[20-Nov-2009 09:30:43] <jrock2004> so I need to edit my htaccess file so that zenoss server can see /server-status without a password
[20-Nov-2009 09:30:56] <twm1010> ah... gotcha
[20-Nov-2009 09:31:29] <twm1010> maybe you could relocate server-status to a subdirectory?
[20-Nov-2009 09:31:52] <twm1010> i don't know that the module HAS to write it there, they renamed ours to something like xx-server-status-3424 or something like that
[20-Nov-2009 09:32:10] <jrock2004> No it does not write anytthing
[20-Nov-2009 09:33:40] <twm1010> i don't pretend to know how it works, but you might be able to move it / manipulate it in the config, rather than go around the access to the root directory, just a thought
[20-Nov-2009 09:34:20] <jrock2004> you do realize that when I say root directory I mean web root directory?
[20-Nov-2009 09:34:27] <twm1010> Yep
[20-Nov-2009 09:34:28] <rmatte> twm1010: better to just leave it password protected
[20-Nov-2009 09:34:50] <rmatte> twm1010: best practice if the webserver is password protected to begin with
[20-Nov-2009 09:35:20] <twm1010> thats what im saying, leave it password protected, and relocate mod-status to a location that won't need a password?
[20-Nov-2009 09:35:56] <rmatte> twm1010: yeh, but then you're publicly exposing that info, unless you actually edit the apache config to only allow certain IPs to view the page
[20-Nov-2009 09:36:14] <rmatte> twm1010: why bother when you can just modify the htaccess file?
[20-Nov-2009 09:36:28] <jrock2004> rmatte: in my /server-status section in apache config I restrict IP
[20-Nov-2009 09:36:46] <twm1010> hey, whatever works
[20-Nov-2009 09:36:49] <rmatte> jrock2004: ah, well, double security then lol
[20-Nov-2009 09:37:12] <jrock2004> Yeah I do that alot with my phpmyadmin stuff
[20-Nov-2009 09:37:29] <twm1010> I guess I don't consider that information that sensitive...
[20-Nov-2009 09:37:58] <jrock2004> Well when you work for a company it might not be that IT guy but the company cares
[20-Nov-2009 09:39:06] <twm1010> Maybe with extended status on
[20-Nov-2009 09:39:26] <twm1010> eh, either way, do what ya gotta do :)
[20-Nov-2009 09:39:27] <jrock2004> oh I thought you were talking about phpmyadmin :)
[20-Nov-2009 09:39:46] <twm1010> LOL... yeah, might as well run webmin with no password while you're at it too ;)
[20-Nov-2009 09:41:08] <rmatte> twm1010: it's equivalent to leaving snmp read permissions for "public" in my opinion, but whatever
[20-Nov-2009 09:41:40] <rmatte> the people who leave snmp write permissions for private are complete idiots
[20-Nov-2009 09:41:43] <twm1010> rmatte: Yeah, but there's just not alot of data there, transferred bytes, total hits, some people intentionally publish that info, just for kicks
[20-Nov-2009 09:42:03] <rmatte> twm1010: true
[20-Nov-2009 09:42:14] <twm1010> Yeah, we don't use write strings anywhere I believe.
[20-Nov-2009 09:42:47] <rmatte> we do but we don't use easily guessable strings
[20-Nov-2009 09:43:22] <twm1010> Our environment is so static, if we need to use write to do something, its probably better done manually.
[20-Nov-2009 09:43:58] <twm1010> Sigh.... now my Zenoss server is considered "production" and I have to request an outage from myself to upgrade to 2.5.1 :|
[20-Nov-2009 09:44:11] <twm1010> change management ... i hate it
[20-Nov-2009 09:44:32] <rmatte> twm1010: haha
[20-Nov-2009 09:44:34] <jrock2004> Yeah I have to put passwords on snmp stuff soon
[20-Nov-2009 09:44:57] <twm1010> Our solarwinds box has write access to most of our core network though
[20-Nov-2009 09:45:04] <rmatte> twm1010: The only time that I can do changes like that on our Zenoss prod boxes is on Tuesday nights since that's our weekly change window
[20-Nov-2009 09:45:40] <twm1010> I'm actually pretty stoked because all our telecom stuff is coming out of Zenoss and into solarwinds and vice versa
[20-Nov-2009 09:45:51] <twm1010> all the server runnings Cisco Securita Agent, are no longer my problem, :D
[20-Nov-2009 09:45:58] <rmatte> hehe
[20-Nov-2009 09:46:10] <zuez> hey lame question, but is there a fundamental distinction in acknowledging an event and closing it? like if I get a false alarm, I added a stupid regex to a process list
[20-Nov-2009 09:46:20] <zuez> should I just close it or acknowledge->close it then refine my regex
[20-Nov-2009 09:46:38] <rmatte> zuez by close I assume you mean "Move to History"?
[20-Nov-2009 09:46:58] <zuez> rmatte: Well, it's an alert I'm not interested in ever seeing again, I screwed up a regex for an OS Process
[20-Nov-2009 09:47:14] <zuez> I added /drbd/ to my OS proc regex, and I ended up doing a tail -f /some/path/to/drbd/some/file
[20-Nov-2009 09:47:27] <zuez> and now it has that tail -f OS proc alerting saying hey you're no longer running a tail
[20-Nov-2009 09:47:28] <rmatte> zuez: ummmm, did you remove the OS Process?
[20-Nov-2009 09:47:43] <zuez> yeah I removed the OS process, now I have to locate that regex again and fix it
[20-Nov-2009 09:48:01] <rmatte> ok, wow, woah, let's go back to the beginnin
[20-Nov-2009 09:48:12] <rmatte> the regex was in the OS process that you removed, no?
[20-Nov-2009 09:49:10] <zuez> I have a couple of processes running that I *do* want to monitor, they look like [drbd0_asender]
[20-Nov-2009 09:49:12] <chris_d> okay i'm about to sit down in a meeting to discuss our next gen zenoss install, going from a single collector to a multiple collect sepearte mysql zenoss install
[20-Nov-2009 09:49:15] <zuez> so I just added a regex for /drbd/
[20-Nov-2009 09:49:24] <zuez> I also have a path on my filesystem called /opt/drbd
[20-Nov-2009 09:49:38] <zuez> so when I went in to tail a logfile in it, it started monitoring that tail process
[20-Nov-2009 09:49:54] <rmatte> I see
[20-Nov-2009 09:49:55] <chris_d> my first question, can you run multiple front ends? i.e. can I run two web front ends and put them behind a load balancer
[20-Nov-2009 09:50:18] <RoundQube> hello all
[20-Nov-2009 09:50:24] <rmatte> zuez: ok, what event class does the event that you want to suppress come in under?
[20-Nov-2009 09:50:44] <RoundQube> when i add a windows device, by default it only shows cpu usage, paging and free memory. Why isn't hard disk added by default?
[20-Nov-2009 09:52:54] <rmatte> RoundQube: did you not check the OS tab?
[20-Nov-2009 09:53:45] <RoundQube> rmatte on a linux device, i see disk I/O but i dont have that graph on the main "perf" tab... i'd like to have that IO on the perf page
[20-Nov-2009 09:53:45] <rmatte> chris_d: I highly doubt it
[20-Nov-2009 09:54:05] <rmatte> RoundQube: then have fun editing the device template for windows devices to add it in
[20-Nov-2009 09:54:22] <jrock2004> I figured how how to allow zenoss to bypass the password
[20-Nov-2009 09:54:32] <rmatte> RoundQube: Zenoss comes with pretty basic templates, the idea is that you learn about the product so that you can taylor it to what you need
[20-Nov-2009 09:54:35] * ErikRose is enjoying the new Event Console.
[20-Nov-2009 09:54:38] <RoundQube> rmatte by have fun, are you implying its difficult ? =)
[20-Nov-2009 09:54:44] <RoundQube> rmatte gotcha
[20-Nov-2009 09:54:55] <rmatte> RoundQube: no, editing or creating a template is easy as pie
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:04] <rmatte> RoundQube: but Microsoft's SNMP Service blows ass
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:11] <rmatte> RoundQube: though I assume you're using snmp-informant?
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:12] <RoundQube> i have snmp informant installed
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:17] * rmatte shivers
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:23] <rmatte> not a fan of it, but ok
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:35] <RoundQube> what are my options for windows other than those two?
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:41] <rmatte> google around and see if you can find an snmp-informant OID for what you need
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[20-Nov-2009 09:56:00] <rmatte> RoundQube: there are the Windows SNMP Performance ZenPacks that I wrote
[20-Nov-2009 09:56:21] <rmatte> RoundQube: but under performance you'll only get cpu and memory info, on the up side, they don't require snmp-informant
[20-Nov-2009 09:56:57] <rmatte> RoundQube: it depends on what you need to monitor, I personally don't care about disk IO on Windows boxes
[20-Nov-2009 09:57:30] <RoundQube> we do because we have 2TB shares off the windows server that we'd like to monitor
[20-Nov-2009 10:04:21] <chris_d> so if you were wanting to pull ~400K OID request per zenperfsnmp cycle (300seconds) how many distrubed collectors would that require.
[20-Nov-2009 10:04:39] <chris_d> and what kind of hardware would I need would you think
[20-Nov-2009 10:07:13] <rmatte> chris_d: hehe, hmmm
[20-Nov-2009 10:07:50] <rmatte> honestly I'd personally probably only put a max of maybe 40k or 50k OIDs per collector for maximum performance
[20-Nov-2009 10:08:06] <rmatte> chris_d: is this all stuff being monitored internally?
[20-Nov-2009 10:08:16] <rmatte> chris_d: or will you be monitoring across slow links?
[20-Nov-2009 10:08:39] <rmatte> chris_d: latency is something to take in to consideration, since 20k of really slow OID requests will easily eat up a whole polling cycle
[20-Nov-2009 10:09:32] <twm1010> jrock2004: how did you end up doing it
[20-Nov-2009 10:10:33] <twm1010> I believe there are built-in Windows SNMP counters for Disk I/O
[20-Nov-2009 10:10:39] <twm1010> but don't quote me :)
[20-Nov-2009 10:10:53] <twm1010> I know how to do it via WMI :)
[20-Nov-2009 10:12:29] <rmatte> yeh, via WMI is easy
[20-Nov-2009 10:13:23] <twm1010> let me look, im pretty sure that the standard informant snmp windows template does give you disk I/O
[20-Nov-2009 10:14:09] <jrock2004> twm1010: http://tinyurl.com/yeujkl3
[20-Nov-2009 10:14:16] <chris_d> rmatte: I am planning on putting the collectors into each of our regional access points. i.e. west coast routers would be polled by a collector in phoenix
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[20-Nov-2009 10:16:46] <rmatte> chris_d: ah, I see
[20-Nov-2009 10:17:03] <rmatte> chris_d: well, like I said, 50k per collector max would be best
[20-Nov-2009 10:17:16] <rmatte> chris_d: and you'd need some half-way decent hardware
[20-Nov-2009 10:17:28] <rmatte> chris_d: lots of RAM, and ideally about 3GHz per
[20-Nov-2009 10:18:16] <rmatte> chris_d: probably about 8GB of RAM per (depending on the number of devices on each collector)
[20-Nov-2009 10:18:22] <rmatte> sounds like it'll be quite a few
[20-Nov-2009 10:19:09] <rmatte> chris_d: If you don't have many on a collector you could possibly get away with 4GB of RAM
[20-Nov-2009 10:19:33] <rmatte> chris_d: you'd really have to setup a test server and see how far you can push it on 4GB of RAM
[20-Nov-2009 10:19:39] <rmatte> and then upgrade to 8 if needed
[20-Nov-2009 10:19:45] <rmatte> then roll out the other collectors accordingly
[20-Nov-2009 10:20:01] <rmatte> but minimum of 3GHz per collector (seeing as 3GHz is basically nothing these days)
[20-Nov-2009 10:20:13] <chris_d> kk
[20-Nov-2009 10:20:15] <kobalt> comming in late I can tell you for switches about 1000 for 6 gigs
[20-Nov-2009 10:20:33] <rmatte> kobalt: 24 port?
[20-Nov-2009 10:20:38] <kobalt> I can push about 1200 but its starts to get slow
[20-Nov-2009 10:20:47] <chris_d> so if I said I need 8gb of ram running on dual quad core zenos @ 3ghz I should be ok?
[20-Nov-2009 10:20:48] <rmatte> kobalt: depends on the types of switches
[20-Nov-2009 10:21:13] <kobalt> 60 percent are 8 port the others are 48 port +
[20-Nov-2009 10:21:17] <chris_d> ^ kind of hardware would allow ~100 oid's per collector per cycle
[20-Nov-2009 10:21:34] <zenethian> This just in: productivity down 170% due to the release of New Super Mario Bros Wii
[20-Nov-2009 10:21:54] <kobalt> but I have a few 4500 series switches
[20-Nov-2009 10:21:55] <rmatte> chris_d: 100k? hmmmm, you're looking at 6GHz minimum with probably 16GB RAM (might be able to get away with less)
[20-Nov-2009 10:21:55] <twm1010> zenethian: hahaha, i took three days off for modern warfare 2 :)
[20-Nov-2009 10:22:02] <kobalt> err 4000 series
[20-Nov-2009 10:22:05] <zenethian> :D
[20-Nov-2009 10:22:29] <rmatte> when I say 6GHz I mean total
[20-Nov-2009 10:22:35] <rmatte> though going higher wouldn't hurt
[20-Nov-2009 10:23:13] <rmatte> and try to limit the cores to 4, don't do 8 or anything, Zenoss tends to run a lot better on 4 than 8 I've found
[20-Nov-2009 10:23:34] <kobalt> I have a dual quad on the way so Ill test it out hehe
[20-Nov-2009 10:23:42] <rmatte> kobalt: cool
[20-Nov-2009 10:23:47] <chris_d> okay so I get 3 boxes with 16gb ram and at least 6ghz I should be able to pull 400k oid per zenperf cycle
[20-Nov-2009 10:23:51] <kobalt> with 32 gb of ram
[20-Nov-2009 10:23:51] <zenethian> I want a quad quad.
[20-Nov-2009 10:23:58] <zenethian> just because it sounds cool
[20-Nov-2009 10:24:05] <twm1010> sigh... why does every mib browser app available have to be written in JAVA
[20-Nov-2009 10:24:24] <rmatte> chris_d: assuming you already have a box to do the other 100k requests, then yes
[20-Nov-2009 10:24:25] <chris_d> this is a budget excersise, actual server specs will have to be done after testing
[20-Nov-2009 10:24:34] <kobalt> twm1010: OID view from bytespere I dont think is java
[20-Nov-2009 10:24:53] <zenethian> there's nothing particularly bad about Java.
[20-Nov-2009 10:25:15] <rmatte> zenethian: I'm not a huge fan, but it's an alright language
[20-Nov-2009 10:25:32] <chris_d> rmatte so what would you think for the front end, zope server
[20-Nov-2009 10:25:46] <zenethian> Actually I hate the language. I just like the API and VM. Gimme Jython or Groovy and I'm happy.
[20-Nov-2009 10:25:48] <rmatte> chris_d: about the same I'd say
[20-Nov-2009 10:25:54] <chris_d> keep in mind that I am going to split mysql off
[20-Nov-2009 10:26:19] <rmatte> chris_d: might be able to get away with less processing power, but I wouldn't bother
[20-Nov-2009 10:26:24] <twm1010> zenethian: Maybe it's perception, every Java App I am forced to use is clunky, and runs like snot, and needs a different version of JVM!
[20-Nov-2009 10:26:26] <rmatte> anyways, I'm off to lunch
[20-Nov-2009 10:26:27] <rmatte> bbl
[20-Nov-2009 10:26:37] * zenethian grins
[20-Nov-2009 10:26:48] <cgibbons> that never happens with other languages :)
[20-Nov-2009 10:27:06] * zenethian mumbles about early .NET apps
[20-Nov-2009 10:27:30] <cgibbons> lord knows there aren't any python apps out there that are clunky or require specific versions of python different from all the others
[20-Nov-2009 10:27:42] * zenethian smirks
[20-Nov-2009 10:27:59] <twm1010> ok i get it, i'm being whiny, i'm past it, i swear
[20-Nov-2009 10:28:07] <twm1010> :: throws empty water bottle at monitor ::
[20-Nov-2009 10:28:17] * zenethian gives twm1010 a hug and some cookies
[20-Nov-2009 10:28:35] <cgibbons> when i get that way i mostly just complain about the lame coders that made the clunky app. lack of attention to detail and all that.
[20-Nov-2009 10:29:03] <twm1010> ok who was it that wanted to get a Disk I/O graph on the perf tab for Windows boxes?
[20-Nov-2009 10:29:17] <zenethian> Everyone who has windows boxes? :)
[20-Nov-2009 10:29:40] <zenethian> I'd install zenoss at home if I could do that.
[20-Nov-2009 10:30:52] <twm1010> well, i see the informant OID for the _TOTAL counter you could query, i suppose
[20-Nov-2009 10:32:35] <twm1010> ah, RoundQube it was
[20-Nov-2009 10:34:25] * zenethian hmms
[20-Nov-2009 10:34:35] <twm1010> Looking at this, it's a good question, why doesn't the standard windows device template graph _TOTAL Disk Reads/Writes/sec and Disk Queue length
[20-Nov-2009 10:34:46] <twm1010> should be quite easy
[20-Nov-2009 11:04:50] <cgibbons> are those physical disk or logical disk attributes?
[20-Nov-2009 11:27:22] <davetoo> so, topology discovery (pingtree) doesn't work if if you have the wrong netmask on your zenoss/collector box interface :| And you end up with weird things like /22 networks as children of /24 networks
[20-Nov-2009 11:30:41] <twm1010> cgibbons: logical
[20-Nov-2009 11:31:27] <twm1010> _Total would be the sum of all logical volumes, regardless of phys. device
[20-Nov-2009 11:31:56] <twm1010> It would be nice to break that up some more, by controller, or HBA, i suppose you could just keep going
[20-Nov-2009 11:58:44] <rmatte> davetoo: yeh, that's pretty screwy
[20-Nov-2009 11:58:50] <rmatte> bigegor: g'day
[20-Nov-2009 12:00:50] <twm1010> hello egor
[20-Nov-2009 12:01:55] <bigegor> hello
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[20-Nov-2009 13:48:56] <davetoo> quiet today
[20-Nov-2009 13:48:57] <davetoo> so..
[20-Nov-2009 13:49:11] <davetoo> how do I get custom RRD graph commands to be *prepended* to the template?
[20-Nov-2009 13:49:25] <davetoo> I want to add a CLI option
[20-Nov-2009 13:49:39] <davetoo> but they are appended after the default DEFs and CDEFs and such
[20-Nov-2009 13:50:01] <rmatte> davetoo: doubt it's possible
[20-Nov-2009 13:50:49] <davetoo> wanted to change the bacground color; have three different graphs in a big graph report
[20-Nov-2009 13:51:59] <davetoo> I could use a transparent area ... if... I could get around the autoscaling
[20-Nov-2009 13:52:19] <davetoo> I need them to autoscale so I cannot set fixed area y boundaries
[20-Nov-2009 13:52:47] <davetoo> Guess I'll have to be satisfied with changing line colors/styles for now
[20-Nov-2009 13:55:13] <davetoo> oh crap, but I only have a pulldown :( no LINE2
[20-Nov-2009 13:59:25] <davetoo> What's the story on multigraphs from disparate (remote) collectors now? Has that been fixed?
[20-Nov-2009 14:10:14] <kobalt> anyone know if there is a way to create a separate event class for specific devices, like a snmp_link_up for a group of devices that does one thing and then a snmp_link_up for all other devices
[20-Nov-2009 14:13:03] <rmatte> kobalt: well, you could use a transform which basically says if device is in this group, do this, otherwise, do this
[20-Nov-2009 14:15:20] <kobalt> trying to think what the syntax would be hehe
[20-Nov-2009 14:15:36] <kobalt> can you nest if statements in transforms
[20-Nov-2009 14:53:12] <davetoo> sure are a lot of lurkers here
[20-Nov-2009 14:55:31] <davetoo> I really want to find some kind of zope product that I can use along with the sitewindow portal, to create a self-contained MOTD portal, if not a gateway into a threaded discussion area, or running set of notices.
[20-Nov-2009 14:57:49] <chris_d> rmatte: so if I have 3 dist coll quad core 2.4 zenos 8mb cache 16gb of ram, seperate mysql. Do you think *guess* that this setup would be able to support 2600 (cisco routers/swithces) full snmp polling?
[20-Nov-2009 14:57:53] <chris_d> and be responsive?
[20-Nov-2009 14:58:22] <chris_d> cpu, mem, inteface stats
[20-Nov-2009 14:59:10] <davetoo> 2948s? or BFRs :)
[20-Nov-2009 15:00:18] <davetoo> The disk on the remote collectors will probably be the biggest bottleneck
[20-Nov-2009 15:16:21] <chris_d> they are 15k rpm drives
[20-Nov-2009 15:16:29] <chris_d> that should suffice, u think
[20-Nov-2009 15:16:50] <davetoo> raid?
[20-Nov-2009 15:16:58] <chris_d> yes
[20-Nov-2009 15:17:03] <davetoo> which mode?
[20-Nov-2009 15:17:15] <chris_d> undecided but the raid controller support up to 10
[20-Nov-2009 15:17:44] <davetoo> 10 (1+0) is a good choice
[20-Nov-2009 15:17:51] <rmatte> chris_d: think more processing power
[20-Nov-2009 15:18:09] <rmatte> chris_d: and yeh, you're going to need some fast disks for sure
[20-Nov-2009 15:18:34] <chris_d> so two intel zeon E5530 4c 2.4ghz 8mb l3 cache is not enough
[20-Nov-2009 15:18:51] <rmatte> thought you meant you were only going to have a single
[20-Nov-2009 15:18:57] <rmatte> with 2 that should do it
[20-Nov-2009 15:19:07] <davetoo> One nice thing about enterprise is that it's easy to expand/scale the remote collector farm (unless I'm missing something)
[20-Nov-2009 15:24:07] <rmatte> yeh it's a lot easier than in core
[20-Nov-2009 15:24:23] <rmatte> it does a lot of the work for you
[20-Nov-2009 16:10:29] <rmatte> lol, I went on a posting frenzy on the forums
[20-Nov-2009 16:10:36] <chemist> hello
[20-Nov-2009 16:10:40] <rmatte> hey
[20-Nov-2009 16:11:19] <chemist> can I apply this more thanonce to the same class? docs/DOC-2558
[20-Nov-2009 16:11:26] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Change Event Severity Based on Event Message Text (at community.zenoss.org)
[20-Nov-2009 16:12:04] <chemist> as in, can I have another transform with different text?
[20-Nov-2009 16:12:19] <rmatte> chemist: yes
[20-Nov-2009 16:12:30] <rmatte> chemist: just add an if statement for each message you want to set a severity for
[20-Nov-2009 16:13:12] <rmatte> if evt.message.find("text to find") >= 0:
[20-Nov-2009 16:13:12] <rmatte> evt.severity = 2
[20-Nov-2009 16:13:12] <rmatte> if evt.message.find("other text to find") >= 0:
[20-Nov-2009 16:13:12] <rmatte> evt.severity = 3
[20-Nov-2009 16:13:14] <rmatte> for example
[20-Nov-2009 16:13:23] <rmatte> though instead of using find I'd personally do it like...
[20-Nov-2009 16:14:11] <Rocinante> rmatte: I'm stracing zenstatus, got it down to it looping on a select of a pipe.. now trying to find out what's supposed to be on the other end of that pipe :>
[20-Nov-2009 16:14:14] <rmatte> import re
[20-Nov-2009 16:14:14] <rmatte> if re.match("text to find", evt.message):
[20-Nov-2009 16:14:15] <rmatte> evt.severity = 3
[20-Nov-2009 16:14:26] <rmatte> or re.search if you don't need a perfect match and only want to search part of it
[20-Nov-2009 16:14:42] <rmatte> Rocinante: cool
[20-Nov-2009 16:15:15] <chemist> ok, is that a personal preference or is there some science behid it?
[20-Nov-2009 16:15:20] <rmatte> you only need to do the import re once
[20-Nov-2009 16:15:34] <rmatte> It just makes more sense in my opinion
[20-Nov-2009 16:15:44] <rmatte> since re is regex matching which is designed for matching text
[20-Nov-2009 16:15:55] <rmatte> so you don't have to do the whole >=0 bit
[20-Nov-2009 16:16:04] <chemist> i c
[20-Nov-2009 16:16:10] <rmatte> plus it gives you more flexibility if you only want to do it on an exact match or a partial match
[20-Nov-2009 16:16:17] <rmatte> re.match for exact and re.search for partial
[20-Nov-2009 16:16:28] <chemist> makes sense
[20-Nov-2009 16:17:51] <rmatte> you can also use regex syntax, like if you wanted to apply something to any message that comes in with a blank summary you could do something like re.match("^$", evt.summary)
[20-Nov-2009 16:17:57] <Rocinante> rmatte: I also replied to your post, but as an email; I don't know if the email came in okay, but on the forums it was blank so I just edited it
[20-Nov-2009 16:18:29] <rmatte> yeh, it came in blank
[20-Nov-2009 16:19:34] <rmatte> dmd isn't already presented though apparently, that's the thing
[20-Nov-2009 16:20:23] <rmatte> if I remove the dmd definition from the transform I get a message in zenhub stating that the transform couldn't be processed as dmd is not defined
[20-Nov-2009 16:20:32] <rmatte> but anyways, I need to head out
[20-Nov-2009 16:21:31] <rmatte> talk to you guys on Monday
[20-Nov-2009 16:21:38] <chemist> bye
[20-Nov-2009 16:22:19] <rmatte> later
[20-Nov-2009 16:43:17] <kobalt> how would you do 2 compares for a transform aka if evt.DeviceClass != "Blah" && evt.severity == 0: ?
[20-Nov-2009 16:45:34] <davetoo> A Transform, I believe, can be a full-on python fragment, not just a single expression.
[20-Nov-2009 16:46:04] <kobalt> I think I found it I have if evt.DeviceClass !="/blah" and evt.severity == 0:
[20-Nov-2009 16:46:13] <Rocinante> Replace '&&' with 'and' and I think you've got it
[20-Nov-2009 16:46:17] <Rocinante> Yep, that :P
[20-Nov-2009 16:46:22] <kobalt> sweet
[20-Nov-2009 16:46:23] <kobalt> thanks!
[20-Nov-2009 16:48:48] * davetoo is tired, should have caught that
[20-Nov-2009 16:49:42] <cgibbons> hurm pouf
[20-Nov-2009 16:50:24] <davetoo> disappeard into the weekend
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[22-Nov-2009 03:29:30] <abou_7anash_009> hi is there a way to monitor if zenoss is up and running ? I am monitoring
[22-Nov-2009 03:29:55] <abou_7anash_009> through zenoss but i want one of the servers to monitor that zenoss is up
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[23-Nov-2009 03:16:13] <Dieterbe> hi, i had to restart the machine that runs zenoss for something, and now all of a sudden i'm getting a huge amount of email alerts (i tried to setup mailig earlier but it didn't work). removed the email adress from the alerting rule and saved it, but it keeps on sending mails. when i stop zenoss, the mailing stops, when i start it, the mailing starts. all the events have a timestamp of the current time. how do i stop it from spammi
[23-Nov-2009 03:22:07] <Troubadix09> hi all
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[23-Nov-2009 08:52:58] <ke4qqq> anyone have thought on building layer-2 topology maps based on jcurry's bridge zenpack?
[23-Nov-2009 09:21:31] <ke4qqq> npmccallum: to follow up on our conversation from LISA re L2 topology mapping - thoughts on using the info grabbed by jcurry's bridge zenpack to begin building the map - won't be 100%, but I'd guess it'd handle at least Cisco and HP
[23-Nov-2009 09:39:29] <sloof3> I seem to suddenly have lost all my recorded data in ZenOSS. Nothing older than 1 day.
[23-Nov-2009 09:40:16] <sloof3> Correction about 32 hours. When I should have at least 45 days.
[23-Nov-2009 09:40:48] <rmatte> sloof3: odd, you wouldn't have happened to somehow change the value for Event Manager -> Delete Historical Events Older Than (days)?
[23-Nov-2009 10:01:05] <sloof3> rmatte: Nope
[23-Nov-2009 10:01:18] <sloof3> It's set to 0
[23-Nov-2009 10:02:47] <rmatte> hmmmm, does 0 actually work for unlimited for that though?
[23-Nov-2009 10:02:55] <rmatte> I've seen some values where it does and some where it doesn't
[23-Nov-2009 10:03:28] <rmatte> ah, apparently it does
[23-Nov-2009 10:03:29] <rmatte> hmmm
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[23-Nov-2009 10:40:29] <l2huynh> I just have one quick question guys: are snmp v3 traps supported for current zenoss version?
[23-Nov-2009 10:41:32] <rmatte> yes
[23-Nov-2009 10:41:44] <rmatte> snmp v3 is fully supported (has been for quite a while)
[23-Nov-2009 10:42:18] <l2huynh> thanx ryan
[23-Nov-2009 10:44:41] <rmatte> np
[23-Nov-2009 10:46:44] <rmatte> l2huynh: I was under the impression that it was
[23-Nov-2009 10:47:10] <rmatte> l2huynh: seems a bit useless to allow polling in v3 but not trapping
[23-Nov-2009 10:48:17] <l2huynh> don't know if we can get confirmation from dev
[23-Nov-2009 10:49:33] <l2huynh> docs/DOC-3872
[23-Nov-2009 10:49:43] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - B.2. SNMP V3 Support (at community.zenoss.org)
[23-Nov-2009 10:51:09] <rmatte> oh well, snmpv3 isn't all that useful anyways
[23-Nov-2009 10:55:08] <l2huynh> I just have some security concern because I'm going to have to monitor a c2611xm in halifax
[23-Nov-2009 11:23:50] <kobalt> anyone know how zentrap processes the traps in relationship to matching IP's? aka a trap comes in with an ip does it query the host file then dns? or does it look somewhere internal for the ip and hostname
[23-Nov-2009 11:28:42] <kobalt> wow quiet morning
[23-Nov-2009 11:33:25] <rmatte> man, ntop is a great netflow monitoring tool
[23-Nov-2009 11:34:45] <kobalt> is it open source?
[23-Nov-2009 11:38:05] <kobalt> ahh the linux ntop
[23-Nov-2009 11:43:44] <rmatte> yeh
[23-Nov-2009 11:43:57] <rmatte> it takes like 3 seconds to setup for netflow monitoring
[23-Nov-2009 11:44:05] <rmatte> and the interface is quite nice
[23-Nov-2009 11:45:27] <rmatte> kobalt: it would look for the IP in Zope
[23-Nov-2009 11:45:53] <rmatte> kobalt: all it cares about is that there is a device in Zenoss, if there is then the trap comes in for that device name (whatever the device name is set to in Zenoss)
[23-Nov-2009 11:46:12] <rmatte> kobalt: If it can't find the device in Zenoss then it just comes in for the IP address that the trap originated from
[23-Nov-2009 11:46:19] <rmatte> there is no use of the hosts file to my knowledge
[23-Nov-2009 11:47:13] <rmatte> let me guess, you're trying to make traps from a different device look like they are coming in for a device in Zenoss?
[23-Nov-2009 11:47:38] <kobalt> rmatte: hrmm well the porblem I am having is that is is associating traps that are NAT'D to another ip but the source is still being displayed and sometimes assigning it to other devices that happen to have that ip assigned to a vlan
[23-Nov-2009 11:47:56] <kobalt> I monitor 12 networks so I have to NAT them
[23-Nov-2009 11:48:08] <kobalt> but the trap still has the orignial source
[23-Nov-2009 11:48:40] <rmatte> when you say it has the original source, you mean under details?
[23-Nov-2009 11:48:56] <rmatte> or the actual event ipAddress comes in with the original source?
[23-Nov-2009 11:49:23] <kobalt> so the device's orignal ip is 172.24.0.1 and I NAT it to 10.10.2.1 the trap comes from 172.24.0.1 when it hits zenoss
[23-Nov-2009 11:49:46] <rmatte> right, because SNMP's behaviour is to include the originating IP in the trap
[23-Nov-2009 11:50:05] <rmatte> you know, agent based monitoring is much more suited for NAT type situations like that
[23-Nov-2009 11:50:18] <kobalt> Agent based?
[23-Nov-2009 11:50:22] <rmatte> agentless monitoring is not really designed for networks that are all NATed up
[23-Nov-2009 11:50:39] <rmatte> yeh, as in, you have something installed on each segment of the network which feeds back to you
[23-Nov-2009 11:50:50] <rmatte> then you don't care about the IP address schema
[23-Nov-2009 11:51:19] <kobalt> yeah well then I would have to have 13 servers or insances of zenoss
[23-Nov-2009 11:51:34] <rmatte> Zenoss is agentless monitoring, so it obviously operates better when you're not dealing with tons of NAting
[23-Nov-2009 11:52:50] <kobalt> wonder if there is a way I can work around this
[23-Nov-2009 11:52:57] <kobalt> some of my devices work fine
[23-Nov-2009 11:53:08] <rmatte> If you could install remote collectors on each segment
[23-Nov-2009 11:53:14] <kobalt> but I think thats because the ip's have routes
[23-Nov-2009 11:53:35] <rmatte> yeh, anything with direct routes will obviously work fine
[23-Nov-2009 11:53:36] <kobalt> on the devices
[23-Nov-2009 11:54:22] <kobalt> wonder if I manually add a route to each device with its NAT'd ip if it would work, I dont think I have network overlap yet
[23-Nov-2009 11:55:12] <rmatte> it's possible
[23-Nov-2009 11:55:32] <kobalt> I am setting up a remote collecter to collect from the 11 networks and then the main server to collect from the rest of our network
[23-Nov-2009 11:55:38] <rmatte> as soon as you have network overlap though, then it's all over
[23-Nov-2009 11:57:24] <kobalt> yeah and I cant control what ip's they use
[23-Nov-2009 11:57:43] <kobalt> if I could get zenoss to look at the host file it would be fine
[23-Nov-2009 11:58:02] <kobalt> cause I have the Nat translation setup in the host file
[23-Nov-2009 11:58:53] <rmatte> it'll look at the hosts file for anything other than traps
[23-Nov-2009 11:59:37] <kobalt> wonder how much coding it will take to get it to work properly
[23-Nov-2009 11:59:53] <rmatte> no idea
[23-Nov-2009 12:00:00] <rmatte> there may be a good reason why it doesn't though
[23-Nov-2009 12:23:13] <Rocinante> Bleh.. remote collectors requires an enterprise subscription doesn't it?
[23-Nov-2009 12:23:32] <rmatte> no, it's possible to do with Core, it's just more involved
[23-Nov-2009 12:24:09] <Rocinante> Hm.. maybe when I'm bored I'll look at setting that up to monitor the nodes on the cluster then :>
[23-Nov-2009 12:26:03] <rmatte> Rocinante:
[23-Nov-2009 12:26:05] <rmatte> docs/DOC-2522
[23-Nov-2009 12:26:11] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - How to use distributed collectors (at community.zenoss.org)
[23-Nov-2009 12:31:56] <Rocinante> Ooo, thanks.. that gets bookmarked for aforementioned boredom resolution
[23-Nov-2009 12:32:17] <rmatte> np
[23-Nov-2009 12:32:31] <rmatte> I've tried it before and got everything working except for RRDs
[23-Nov-2009 12:32:42] <rmatte> but I never really dug in to it to try and fix that
[23-Nov-2009 13:29:45] <gwb2353> for an auto detected IP Service(s) how do you change the Ips associated with it (i.e. need to remove one IP that the http service doesn't run on) ?
[23-Nov-2009 13:31:15] <rmatte> gwb2353: click on it and edit the Ip Addresses field I assume
[23-Nov-2009 13:31:27] <gwb2353> yeah, that box doesn't allow editing
[23-Nov-2009 13:31:37] <rmatte> what?
[23-Nov-2009 13:31:49] <rmatte> I'm talking about in Zenoss
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:08] <gwb2353> if i click on the "http" service (in zenoss) the Ip Addresses associated with it are not an editable field
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:16] <rmatte> is it locked?
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:19] <rmatte> if so, unlock it
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:27] <gwb2353> no locks
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:34] <rmatte> that doesn't even make sense
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:45] <rmatte> if it were locked from updates and edits then yes
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:49] <rmatte> do you not have admin rights?
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:55] <gwb2353> yes
[23-Nov-2009 13:33:16] <rmatte> you're 110% sure the IpService is not locked
[23-Nov-2009 13:33:37] <gwb2353> There's nothing in the "locks" bit for os/tcp_00080
[23-Nov-2009 13:33:39] <rmatte> If so, then delete the IpService and re-add it by hand
[23-Nov-2009 13:33:42] <ke4qqq> what about the entire group of ipservices.
[23-Nov-2009 13:33:57] <rmatte> is the whole device locked?
[23-Nov-2009 13:34:10] <gwb2353> i doubt it, i just added the device
[23-Nov-2009 13:34:14] <gwb2353> (new host)
[23-Nov-2009 13:34:31] <rmatte> no idea then, I've never seen anything like that happen with an IpService
[23-Nov-2009 13:34:48] <rmatte> delete the IpService and re-add it by hand
[23-Nov-2009 13:37:43] <gwb2353> i guess i can delete and re-add by hand and then lock them? (so model device doesn't re-add the incorrect IP) ?
[23-Nov-2009 13:50:42] <rmatte> yes
[23-Nov-2009 14:57:20] <rmatte> pretty quiet in here today
[23-Nov-2009 15:01:13] <rmatte> npmccallum: any good with transforms?
[23-Nov-2009 15:01:29] <npmccallum> rmatte: I guess :)
[23-Nov-2009 15:01:33] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/f2e6d74a2
[23-Nov-2009 15:01:42] <rmatte> any idea why Zenoss doesn't like that one?
[23-Nov-2009 15:01:43] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[23-Nov-2009 15:02:01] <rmatte> (I worked on it last Friday and couldn't get it to work)....
[23-Nov-2009 15:02:24] <rmatte> basically, I have this one wireless controller that sends traps for all sorts of different accesspoints attached to it
[23-Nov-2009 15:02:51] <rmatte> in each trap there's a detail called bsnId
[23-Nov-2009 15:03:01] <rmatte> which corresponds to which wireless base station the trap came in for
[23-Nov-2009 15:03:19] <rmatte> the base stations very often have wireless interface resets which last less than a second
[23-Nov-2009 15:03:27] <rmatte> so I get an up and a down event almost simultaneously
[23-Nov-2009 15:03:46] <npmccallum> how is it failing?
[23-Nov-2009 15:04:08] <rmatte> well, if I remove the import and defining of dmd it fails with dmd not set
[23-Nov-2009 15:04:17] <rmatte> when I add that stuff in it just fails with "exit 2"
[23-Nov-2009 15:05:11] <rmatte> the trap should scan the current events, if it finds one with "Wireless Interface is DOWN" in the summary and with a matching base station ID it should move it to history automatically and then historify itself
[23-Nov-2009 15:05:37] <rmatte> basically eliminating the quick resets so that only actual impact events where the interface actually goes down and stays down are alerted on
[23-Nov-2009 15:06:23] <rmatte> I can't personally see what Zenoss could be choking on.
[23-Nov-2009 15:06:48] <rmatte> (I'm using txnCommit() instead of Commit() since that apparently works better in transforms)
[23-Nov-2009 15:09:34] <rmatte> but yeh, I'm stumped, the script would most likely work fine in zendmd (provided I did evt = dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventDetailFromStatusOrHistory('evid of some event') first
[23-Nov-2009 15:09:52] <rmatte> actually, I'm going to try that...
[23-Nov-2009 15:14:22] <rmatte> hmmm, well it didn't error but it also didn't work
[23-Nov-2009 15:14:23] <rmatte> weird
[23-Nov-2009 15:18:23] <rmatte> maybe it's not liking "cevt._action = 'history'"
[23-Nov-2009 15:18:27] <rmatte> I just assumed it would work
[23-Nov-2009 15:24:19] <npmccallum> I'm not really sure TBH
[23-Nov-2009 15:27:40] <rmatte> all good
[23-Nov-2009 15:27:50] <rmatte> I think I'm just going to give up on it
[23-Nov-2009 16:05:32] <ke4qqq> so apparently zenoss adds something that removing the rpm doesn't pull out. I have a box I wanted to strip 2.4.5 out, and install 2.5.1 in my box. I can reprovision, but trying to be lazy and do so. I have dropped the database, rm -rfED /home/zenoss and /opt/zenoss - yet it still tries to 'migrate' but fails. what am I missing that Zenoss is finding and trying to 'migrate' when I do my 'fresh' install?
[23-Nov-2009 16:06:01] <ke4qqq> ohhh and I rpm -e zenoss-2.4.5
[23-Nov-2009 16:06:08] <rhettardo> remote the zenoss user and its home dir
[23-Nov-2009 16:06:11] <rhettardo> remove
[23-Nov-2009 16:22:56] <zsprackett> hi, i did something really silly and i'm hoping someone will give me an idea as to how to fix it
[23-Nov-2009 16:23:18] <zsprackett> basically, i did this in zendmd
[23-Nov-2009 16:23:20] <zsprackett> for ips in d.os.ipservices():
[23-Nov-2009 16:23:21] <zsprackett> if ips.name() == "smtp":
[23-Nov-2009 16:23:21] <zsprackett> ips.name = "bleh"
[23-Nov-2009 16:23:21] <zsprackett> commit()
[23-Nov-2009 16:23:36] <zsprackett> which is obviously not what i meant to do
[23-Nov-2009 16:24:05] <zsprackett> but now i've broken the web interface and can't figure out how to delete the service with zendmd
[23-Nov-2009 16:24:12] <kobalt> just do the reverse?
[23-Nov-2009 16:24:37] <kobalt> if ips.name()=="bleh"
[23-Nov-2009 16:25:11] <kobalt> ips.name="SMTP"
[23-Nov-2009 16:25:22] <zsprackett> it's not supposed to be a string though
[23-Nov-2009 16:25:24] <kobalt> or "smtp" but you get the ideah
[23-Nov-2009 16:25:31] <zsprackett> basically i've overwritten the method with a string
[23-Nov-2009 16:25:56] <kobalt> ah lol no idea then
[23-Nov-2009 16:26:17] <rmatte> that's why you need to be insanely careful with zendmd lol
[23-Nov-2009 16:26:40] <rmatte> not sure how you'd put that back the way it was
[23-Nov-2009 16:26:55] <rmatte> you'd have to use some function
[23-Nov-2009 16:26:59] <zsprackett> services = dev.os.ipservices()
[23-Nov-2009 16:26:59] <zsprackett> for s in services:
[23-Nov-2009 16:26:59] <zsprackett> print s
[23-Nov-2009 16:26:59] <zsprackett> try:
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:00] <zsprackett> print s.name()
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:00] <zsprackett> except:
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:02] <zsprackett> "not a callable %s" % s
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:28] <zsprackett> <IpService at http>
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:28] <zsprackett> 'not a callable <IpService at http>'
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:28] <zsprackett> <IpService at tcp_00022>
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:29] <zsprackett> ssh
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:49] <rmatte> have you tried removing it via ZMI?
[23-Nov-2009 16:28:08] <zsprackett> it's broken the webui
[23-Nov-2009 16:28:16] <rmatte> even ZMI?
[23-Nov-2009 16:28:24] <rmatte> ZMI is separate from the rest of the web UI
[23-Nov-2009 16:28:43] <rmatte> if you do http://host:8080/zport/dmd/manage
[23-Nov-2009 16:28:45] <rmatte> can you get to it?
[23-Nov-2009 16:29:09] <rmatte> If not then you're in quite the pickle
[23-Nov-2009 16:29:45] <zsprackett> i don't seem to have access
[23-Nov-2009 16:29:56] <rmatte> hmmm
[23-Nov-2009 16:30:18] <rmatte> you'll need to find the function for actually deleting an ipservice
[23-Nov-2009 16:30:35] <zsprackett> deleteIpServices looks like what i want
[23-Nov-2009 16:30:37] <rmatte> and then do the reverse (if ips.name()=="bleh")
[23-Nov-2009 16:30:42] <zsprackett> but i can't figure out how to call it
[23-Nov-2009 16:30:45] <rmatte> and have it delete each bad instance
[23-Nov-2009 16:31:34] <zsprackett> i found an admin accound for zmi
[23-Nov-2009 16:31:54] <zsprackett> account
[23-Nov-2009 16:32:24] <rmatte> ok, so you should be able to delete the bad ipservices from in ZMI
[23-Nov-2009 16:35:34] <zsprackett> i'm not sure i understand this ui enough to be using it
[23-Nov-2009 16:37:55] <zsprackett> sigh
[23-Nov-2009 16:38:10] <zsprackett> rmatte, thanks for the pointers, it gives me something to look into
[23-Nov-2009 16:48:14] <zsprackett> when i try to delete it in zmi i get an error
[23-Nov-2009 16:48:24] <zsprackett> i've screwed things up good
[23-Nov-2009 17:00:35] <rmatte> brutal, sounds like the sort of thing that only Chet could fix lol
[23-Nov-2009 17:03:06] <rmatte> well, I'm heading home, be back tomorrow
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:22] <zsprackett> i've got it down to 1 error in one service
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:27] <zsprackett> Type: BadRequest
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:27] <zsprackett> Value: tcp_08080 does not exist
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:27] <zsprackett> Traceback (innermost last):
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:28] <zsprackett> Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 114, in publish
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:28] <zsprackett> Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:28] <zsprackett> Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 40, in call_object
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:29] <zsprackett> Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 492, in manage_delObjects
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:31] <zsprackett> BadRequest: tcp_08080 does not exist
[23-Nov-2009 18:41:04] <zsprackett> i can't click on it or anything in zmi
[23-Nov-2009 18:41:07] <zsprackett> or delete it
[23-Nov-2009 18:41:36] <zsprackett> so close yet so far :)
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[23-Nov-2009 23:39:44] <ironpaw> ayone around?
[23-Nov-2009 23:39:47] <ironpaw> anyone even?
[23-Nov-2009 23:40:00] <ironpaw> trying to set a different snmp diskspace threshold on zenoss core
[23-Nov-2009 23:40:07] <ironpaw> yeh
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[24-Nov-2009 02:55:13] <Troubadix09> HI all
[24-Nov-2009 07:49:17] kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal
[24-Nov-2009 08:01:47] <wayland> Hey all... i have tried install zenoss on freebsd but i have alot segmentation faults, and i was just wondering what to do about it?
[24-Nov-2009 08:08:36] <mrayzenoss> did you build from source?
[24-Nov-2009 08:10:45] <chemist> hello all
[24-Nov-2009 08:11:03] <chemist> is there a doc anywhere on how to configure a collector?
[24-Nov-2009 08:11:20] <chemist> looked on zenoss.org and can't seem to find it
[24-Nov-2009 08:17:01] <mrayzenoss> Here are the 2 wiki entries I know of: http://delicious.com/mray/collectors
[24-Nov-2009 08:17:11] <adytum-bot> Title: mray's collectors Bookmarks on Delicious (at delicious.com)
[24-Nov-2009 08:19:26] <chemist> thanks mrayzenoss
[24-Nov-2009 08:22:26] <wayland> mrayzenoss: yes, i did
[24-Nov-2009 08:23:21] <mrayzenoss> wayland: there are some FreeBSD guys in the channel occasionally, maybe they can help. Or you can try posting to groups/freebsd
[24-Nov-2009 08:23:25] <wayland> mrayzenoss: i used this guide to compile it: docs/DOC-3514
[24-Nov-2009 08:23:29] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Group: FreeBSD (at community.zenoss.org)
[24-Nov-2009 08:23:36] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Install/Upgrade Zenoss 2.4.1 on FreeBSD 7.x (at community.zenoss.org)
[24-Nov-2009 08:24:04] <mrayzenoss> yeah, I don't run FreeBSD but I try to help you guys find and help each other
[24-Nov-2009 08:27:12] <wayland> ok
[24-Nov-2009 08:32:05] <zenethian> o/` match maker match maker make me a match! o/`
[24-Nov-2009 09:25:34] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: welcome back
[24-Nov-2009 09:25:42] <mrayzenoss> thanks
[24-Nov-2009 10:01:30] <ke4qqq> mrayzenoss: welcome back
[24-Nov-2009 10:01:42] <rmatte> I wish I could find a working example of a transform which utilizes dmd.whatever
[24-Nov-2009 10:06:09] <rmatte> but apparently it's not possible to use something like "for e in dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventList():" in an event transform
[24-Nov-2009 10:06:29] <rmatte> which is a bit odd, because I was under the impression that you could basically do anything in a transform that you can in zendmd
[24-Nov-2009 10:06:32] <rmatte> but evidently not
[24-Nov-2009 10:13:55] <rmatte> and apparently I'm far from the first person to come across this issue
[24-Nov-2009 10:14:09] * rmatte ponders if this qualifies as a bug or feature enhancement
[24-Nov-2009 10:21:48] <cgibbons> did you try self.dmd, rmatte?
[24-Nov-2009 10:22:47] <rmatte> cgibbons: no, I haven't, didn't even think about it
[24-Nov-2009 10:22:59] <rmatte> cgibbons: so use self.dmd and trash the imports?
[24-Nov-2009 10:23:17] <cgibbons> well if you're hacking worth a shot
[24-Nov-2009 10:23:25] kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal
[24-Nov-2009 10:23:30] <rmatte> yeh, I'll give it a go, thanks for the idea
[24-Nov-2009 10:24:44] <cgibbons> although perhaps not. have you looked at the applyTransform method in EventClassInst.py? it looks like it defines a dmd variable for the transform to get.
[24-Nov-2009 10:25:03] <rmatte> yeh, I know that it looks that way, but it actually doesn't
[24-Nov-2009 10:25:15] <rmatte> if I don't specifically define dmd = whatever it complains that dmd doesn't exist
[24-Nov-2009 10:25:20] <rmatte> unless it's called on some other way
[24-Nov-2009 10:26:31] <rmatte> This is what I was trying: http://pastebin.com/f2e6d74a2
[24-Nov-2009 10:26:40] <rmatte> This is what I'm trying now: http://pastebin.com/m1cb8657f
[24-Nov-2009 10:26:40] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[24-Nov-2009 10:26:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[24-Nov-2009 10:27:54] <rmatte> hopefully I can get something to work
[24-Nov-2009 10:29:03] <rmatte> need to wait for more traps to come in to see if this works
[24-Nov-2009 10:32:01] <rmatte> hmmm, I just looked through the applyTransform function again, and it doesn't seem to be setting dmd?
[24-Nov-2009 10:32:12] <rmatte> (This is 2.4.5 by the way)
[24-Nov-2009 10:32:30] <rmatte> I'll check the 2.5.1 code, maybe it has changed.
[24-Nov-2009 10:33:51] <rmatte> yeh, figures...
[24-Nov-2009 10:33:53] <rmatte> in 2.4.5...
[24-Nov-2009 10:33:54] <rmatte> variables_and_funcs = {
[24-Nov-2009 10:33:54] <rmatte> 'evt':evt, 'device':device, 'dev':device,
[24-Nov-2009 10:33:54] <rmatte> 'convToUnits':convToUnits, 'zdecode':zdecode,
[24-Nov-2009 10:33:54] <rmatte> 'txnCommit':transaction.commit
[24-Nov-2009 10:34:00] <rmatte> in 2.5.1...
[24-Nov-2009 10:34:05] <rmatte> variables_and_funcs = {
[24-Nov-2009 10:34:05] <rmatte> 'evt':evt, 'device':device, 'dev':device,
[24-Nov-2009 10:34:05] <rmatte> 'convToUnits':convToUnits, 'zdecode':zdecode,
[24-Nov-2009 10:34:05] <rmatte> 'txnCommit':transaction.commit, 'dmd':self.dmd,
[24-Nov-2009 10:34:06] <rmatte> 'log':log,
[24-Nov-2009 10:34:38] <rmatte> wonder if the patch for that would work on 2.4.5
[24-Nov-2009 10:36:09] <rmatte> the self.dmd didn't work
[24-Nov-2009 10:41:17] <rmatte> if there actually is a zenpatch for that
[24-Nov-2009 10:43:42] <rmatte> hmmm, there isn't from what I can see
[24-Nov-2009 10:44:33] <cgibbons> changeset 14049 is where it got added
[24-Nov-2009 10:44:58] <rmatte> ah, so I can just zenpatch 14049
[24-Nov-2009 10:45:38] <rmatte> time to test it out
[24-Nov-2009 10:46:02] <tripitaka> Hi, I'm using 2.4.5, and I cannot get disk usage thresholds to work. Under "/Devices /Server /Templates /FileSystem" I have a threshold with a max value of "here.getTotalBlocks() * 0.80", but partitions with 95% usage are not generating events
[24-Nov-2009 10:46:14] <tripitaka> what should I be looking for?
[24-Nov-2009 10:48:44] <rmatte> tripitaka: make sure that's the exact filesystem template that those devices are using
[24-Nov-2009 10:49:23] <rmatte> also, if you changed the template just recently, go to the templates page and do Manage -> Push Changes
[24-Nov-2009 10:52:36] <rmatte> ok, patch applied, time to see if this works...
[24-Nov-2009 10:54:01] <tripitaka> rmatte: no changes recently. If I go to a server and click the OS tab, I can see the C:\ drive is at 90% usage. I click on the mount link to see the graph, then on the template tab, the path is /Devices/Server/Filesystem. I click no the 'Filesystem' link and it takes me to the template with the "here.getTotalBlocks() * 0.80" threshold
[24-Nov-2009 10:54:34] <tripitaka> the status for that server shows filesystem as green, no events generated
[24-Nov-2009 10:55:27] <rmatte> and if you look at the graph, is there fresh data?
[24-Nov-2009 10:56:32] <rmatte> are all of your Zenoss processes running?
[24-Nov-2009 10:56:33] <tripitaka> yep, graph shows todays date, the time in the graph is about 4 minutes ago
[24-Nov-2009 10:56:51] <tripitaka> all running
[24-Nov-2009 10:57:31] <rmatte> the threshold isn't disabled or anything?
[24-Nov-2009 10:57:49] <rmatte> have you tried restarting Zenoss?
[24-Nov-2009 11:00:07] <tripitaka> I have just restarted, no events generated. the threshold looks like this: http://pastebin.com/m735e2bd2
[24-Nov-2009 11:00:19] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[24-Nov-2009 11:01:39] <rmatte> the thresholds wouldn't just instantly generate after the restart
[24-Nov-2009 11:01:46] <rmatte> zenperfsnmp needs to complete a polling cycle
[24-Nov-2009 11:01:49] <rmatte> give it a few minutes
[24-Nov-2009 11:02:11] <rmatte> check $ZENHOME/log/zenperfsnmp.log
[24-Nov-2009 11:02:18] <rmatte> see if there's any errors relating to thresholds
[24-Nov-2009 11:05:13] <tripitaka> ok, the graph has refreshed - I restarted zenoss at 16:58 and the graph is timestamped 17:01, the status is showing green
[24-Nov-2009 11:05:18] <tripitaka> no errors in zenperfsnmp.log
[24-Nov-2009 11:06:45] <rmatte> then I've no idea, the only reason I can think of is that the template is not properly bound to that device
[24-Nov-2009 11:07:38] <rmatte> then again if you're seeing a graph it should be
[24-Nov-2009 11:09:09] <rmatte> at this point I'm out of ideas, I've never seen thresholds just suddenly stop working
[24-Nov-2009 11:09:24] <rmatte> perhaps you need to remodel the device?
[24-Nov-2009 11:09:34] <rmatte> maybe the drive data stored in Zope is incorrect
[24-Nov-2009 11:10:12] <rmatte> If Zope thinks the drive is larger than it really is
[24-Nov-2009 11:11:16] <tripitaka> I'm going to delete and readd the device
[24-Nov-2009 11:11:36] <rmatte> k
[24-Nov-2009 11:12:52] <rmatte> omg, I think this transform finally works
[24-Nov-2009 11:13:00] * rmatte does a dance
[24-Nov-2009 11:20:27] <rmatte> cgibbons: thanks for the info about the changeset, it worked
[24-Nov-2009 11:29:22] <rmatte> I'm sure our front line guys will appreciate not having to close 30 wireless interface tickets per hour now
[24-Nov-2009 11:35:17] <gwb2352> is there an equivalent to zenbatchload that I can use to change device information programmatically ?
[24-Nov-2009 11:35:32] <gwb2352> (for devices that already exist)
[24-Nov-2009 11:35:43] <gwb2352> or do i just bit the bullet and learn the zendmd interface?
[24-Nov-2009 11:36:22] <tripitaka> rmatte: I deleted a device which I was getting up to date disk graphs for, and added it again. I can see it has gone through two snmp collection cycles. It can see the (accurate) total sizes of each disk, but the used/free/util values are all 'unknown', and the graph is showing 'nan%'
[24-Nov-2009 11:36:42] <chemist> does anybody know how often the synthetic web transaction zenpack checks a website? and how to change it?
[24-Nov-2009 11:36:51] <tripitaka> am I being impatient? :D
[24-Nov-2009 11:37:18] <chemist> tripitaka: 15 minute rule I think
[24-Nov-2009 11:37:41] * tripitaka taps fingers vigorously
[24-Nov-2009 11:39:03] <mrayzenoss> chemist: I believe it's controlled by the zCommandCycleTime
[24-Nov-2009 11:39:42] <chemist> in zProperties?
[24-Nov-2009 11:41:32] <mrayzenoss> yup
[24-Nov-2009 11:45:07] <tripitaka> ok, graph is showing data now. The disk shows 88% full. The threshold linked to from the graph has a threshold max value "here.getTotalBlocks() * 0.80", and the disk is showing green, no alerts
[24-Nov-2009 11:47:39] <rmatte> tripitaka: yeh, you are
[24-Nov-2009 11:47:50] <rmatte> tripitaka: it takes 3 polling cycles for data to populate in RRD
[24-Nov-2009 11:48:18] <rmatte> tripitaka: don't know what to tell you at this point, I've never seen it not work
[24-Nov-2009 11:48:35] <rmatte> tripitaka: and we seem to have covered all of the bases of what could be causing it
[24-Nov-2009 11:49:07] <rmatte> tripitaka: unless you have something that's auto-clearing the events as they come in.
[24-Nov-2009 11:49:40] <tripitaka> what would that look like? A transform?
[24-Nov-2009 11:53:36] <rmatte> If you don't know what it is then I doubt that's the issue
[24-Nov-2009 11:53:59] <rmatte> but you really should read up on event transforms, they are your bread and butter in Zenoss
[24-Nov-2009 11:54:46] <rmatte> it might be a transform, yeh
[24-Nov-2009 11:54:58] <rmatte> or just an event mapping with zProperty set to clear the events
[24-Nov-2009 12:30:12] <eidolon> man, i thoguth i -almost- had it! trying to get a vhost monitor working (basically a url monitor) shouldn't be this complex :(
[24-Nov-2009 12:32:28] <eidolon> also, i want to tickle a monitor somehow. trigger it to poll for data Right Now. :-/
[24-Nov-2009 12:37:17] <rmatte> eidolon: you're just looking to basically monitor a particular web address?
[24-Nov-2009 12:37:47] kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal
[24-Nov-2009 12:38:08] <eidolon> a particular URL
[24-Nov-2009 12:38:24] <eidolon> right now i'm getting 400 bad request... but i'd really like to see what url it's trying to use
[24-Nov-2009 12:38:39] <rmatte> are you not using the httpmon ZenPack?
[24-Nov-2009 12:38:43] <eidolon> the event isn't showing the command it used :(
[24-Nov-2009 12:39:06] <eidolon> source type: httpmonitor
[24-Nov-2009 12:39:18] <rmatte> the proper method is to use the HttpMon ZenPack, and add dummy devices in to Zenoss named after the vhostname
[24-Nov-2009 12:39:40] <eidolon> that'sexactly what i did.
[24-Nov-2009 12:39:55] <eidolon> so i have /Devices/Web/Vhosts/Templates/HttpMonitor
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:00] <rmatte> you didn't populate the IP in the httpmon data source did you?
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:05] <eidolon> one of htemonitors is working.
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:05] <eidolon> i did.
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:06] <eidolon> had to
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:08] <rmatte> remove that
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:12] <rmatte> no, you don't
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:18] <rmatte> you should only populate the hostname field
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:22] <eidolon> but... the vhost name is not exactly the vhost
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:24] <rmatte> it doesn't need the IP field populated
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:27] <eidolon> hm. k
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:31] <rmatte> why isn't it?
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:36] <rmatte> it has to be exactly the vhost
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:42] <eidolon> it's a collective goruping of vhosts on the webheads.
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:43] <rmatte> you want it monitoring based on hostname, not on IP
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:55] <rmatte> hunh?
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:58] <eidolon> well sure, but if i add a datasource for the vhosts, i should just be able to put the hostname in.
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:06] <eidolon> so
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:10] <eidolon> the object name is 'Vhosts'
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:16] <eidolon> i add a data source that is an HttpMonitor
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:20] <eidolon> it's monitoring a couple vhosts.
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:20] <rmatte> that's what I'm saying, when you're dealing with vhosts obviously don't worry about IPs
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:37] <rmatte> just specify the hostnames
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:40] <eidolon> rrrriiiight. so when i add an HttpMonitor, there's a HostName field
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:42] <eidolon> i have that.
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:52] <rmatte> right, and leave the IP field blank
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:55] <eidolon> hmm. okay.
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:57] <rmatte> otherwise it'll default to using that
[24-Nov-2009 12:42:04] <eidolon> ohh. ok.
[24-Nov-2009 12:42:25] <eidolon> is there a way i can 'tickle' the monitor right now?
[24-Nov-2009 12:42:28] <eidolon> or do i have to wait?
[24-Nov-2009 12:42:40] <rmatte> I'd just wait
[24-Nov-2009 12:42:50] <eidolon> <inigo> i hate to wait. </>
[24-Nov-2009 12:52:40] <rmatte> eidolon: and your zenoss box is able to resolve that hostname?
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:00] <eidolon> yess
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:03] <eidolon> if i do
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:08] <eidolon> wget http://www.whatever.com/testBuy
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:10] <eidolon> i get a 200
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:44] <rmatte> not sure then, because I have 3 templates setup the same way as I showed you and they are working beautifully
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:47] <eidolon> heh
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:54] <rmatte> you're not going through ssl or anything right?
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:55] <eidolon> how can i find out the exact query / command being used?
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:58] <eidolon> nope
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:59] <rmatte> (https)?
[24-Nov-2009 12:54:03] * eidolon knows what ssl is :)
[24-Nov-2009 12:54:13] <rmatte> just making sure lol
[24-Nov-2009 12:54:18] <rmatte> :P
[24-Nov-2009 12:54:48] <rmatte> well, there's no test option
[24-Nov-2009 12:55:00] <rmatte> hmmm
[24-Nov-2009 12:55:05] <eidolon> no, i mean, i'd like to log what's happening. is this doing a nagios http_check?
[24-Nov-2009 12:55:07] <eidolon> if so, what'st he command it's using?
[24-Nov-2009 12:55:13] <eidolon> i'm sure it's in a log somewhere.
[24-Nov-2009 12:55:18] <rmatte> yeh, I'm pretty sure it uses http_check
[24-Nov-2009 12:57:28] <rmatte> /usr/local/zenoss/common/libexec/check_http
[24-Nov-2009 12:57:40] * eidolon nods
[24-Nov-2009 12:57:54] <eidolon> where would it log the call though? opt/zenoss/log/localhost/zensomething.log i'm guessing
[24-Nov-2009 12:58:08] <rmatte> probably zencommand.log
[24-Nov-2009 12:58:10] <rmatte> if I had to guess
[24-Nov-2009 12:58:20] <eidolon> hmmmmmmmmm.
[24-Nov-2009 12:58:24] <eidolon> yeah, that looks right. *digs*
[24-Nov-2009 12:58:54] <rmatte> yeh, that's the one
[24-Nov-2009 12:59:01] <rmatte> I see tons of check_http lines in mine
[24-Nov-2009 12:59:15] <eidolon> yea
[24-Nov-2009 12:59:16] <eidolon> i see 'em.
[24-Nov-2009 12:59:22] <eidolon> they're... in... an odd timing though
[24-Nov-2009 12:59:59] <rmatte> well, I see command timed out lines
[24-Nov-2009 13:00:07] <eidolon> no, i think i know why it wasn't triggering.
[24-Nov-2009 13:00:09] <rmatte> I don't see actual lines for each time it ran
[24-Nov-2009 13:00:15] <eidolon> if i have an unacknowledged event, i think it won't poll again.
[24-Nov-2009 13:00:27] <rmatte> no
[24-Nov-2009 13:00:32] <rmatte> it should poll regardless
[24-Nov-2009 13:00:42] <eidolon> hrm. yeah. as i typed that i went "wait, tht doesnt' make sense."
[24-Nov-2009 13:01:03] <eidolon> the last recorded attempt to call this host was definitely wrong.
[24-Nov-2009 13:01:29] <eidolon> 2009-11-24 13:06:14 INFO zen.zencommand: Deleting command REDACTEDVHosts from /opt/zenoss/libexec/check_http -H REDACTEDVHosts -I -p 80 -t 60 -u / -f follow
[24-Nov-2009 13:01:44] <eidolon> wait
[24-Nov-2009 13:02:09] * eidolon gets a headache.
[24-Nov-2009 13:02:34] <rmatte> /usr/local/zenoss/common/libexec/check_http -H www.whatever.com -p 80 -t 60 -u / -f follow
[24-Nov-2009 13:02:35] <rmatte> /usr/local/zenoss/common/libexec/check_http -H www.whatever.com -p 443 -t 60 -S -u /zport/acl_users/cookieAuthHelper/login_form -f follow
[24-Nov-2009 13:02:46] <eidolon> yeah,t aht's what's supposed to happen.
[24-Nov-2009 13:02:58] <rmatte> yup
[24-Nov-2009 13:03:20] <eidolon> b ut in my zeoncommand file, i only see 4 warning messages.
[24-Nov-2009 13:03:24] <eidolon> i wonder if my logging is turned down.
[24-Nov-2009 13:03:47] <rmatte> I have default logging
[24-Nov-2009 13:03:57] <eidolon> where is that set, do you know?
[24-Nov-2009 13:05:14] <eidolon> yeah, check_http entries are not logged in my localhost log directory at all
[24-Nov-2009 13:05:19] <eidolon> i'm guessing logging is turned down
[24-Nov-2009 13:05:58] <rmatte> not sure
[24-Nov-2009 13:06:46] <rmatte> I didn't even know that logging could be "turned down" in Zenoss (not via the UI anyways)
[24-Nov-2009 13:06:53] <eidolon> looksl ike zenstats run -v10
[24-Nov-2009 13:06:56] <eidolon> zenstatus
[24-Nov-2009 13:07:08] <rmatte> well, that'll run it with high verbosity
[24-Nov-2009 13:07:13] <rmatte> you can do zencommand run -v10
[24-Nov-2009 13:07:38] <jmp242> you could set the verbosity in the log config in the GUI under the daemons tab
[24-Nov-2009 13:08:29] <rmatte> ah, logging severity threshold
[24-Nov-2009 13:12:35] <eidolon> i'm just boggled at why this is so hard.
[24-Nov-2009 13:12:45] <eidolon> when i get an alert HTTP WARNING: HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
[24-Nov-2009 13:12:55] <eidolon> why is it so hard to find out wht the request was?
[24-Nov-2009 13:12:56] <jmp242> Any ideas how to check if a Windows XP computer has someone logged on to the console from Zenoss?
[24-Nov-2009 13:13:37] <mrayzenoss> I wonder if RDP exposes that?
[24-Nov-2009 13:13:48] * eidolon restarts zencommand.
[24-Nov-2009 13:14:24] <rmatte> eidolon: because you're supposed to be the one setting up the request lol
[24-Nov-2009 13:14:29] <eidolon> HEY!
[24-Nov-2009 13:14:32] <eidolon> -now- zencommand is logging
[24-Nov-2009 13:14:35] <eidolon> and i think i just got a 200.
[24-Nov-2009 13:14:39] <rmatte> good
[24-Nov-2009 13:14:46] <eidolon> wel, NOT good :)
[24-Nov-2009 13:14:51] <eidolon> why did that require a restart? :)
[24-Nov-2009 13:15:32] <rmatte> meh
[24-Nov-2009 13:15:46] <rmatte> what version of Zenoss are you using?
[24-Nov-2009 13:17:46] <eidolon> ahhhhhhh. RRD chart exists.
[24-Nov-2009 13:17:50] <rmatte> good
[24-Nov-2009 13:17:58] <rmatte> what version of Zenoss are you using?
[24-Nov-2009 13:18:04] <eidolon> sec
[24-Nov-2009 13:18:38] <eidolon> 2.4.5
[24-Nov-2009 13:18:38] <eidolon> (with enterprise additions)
[24-Nov-2009 13:18:49] <rmatte> yeh, then you have this bug: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5494
[24-Nov-2009 13:18:56] <rmatte> Apply these patches:
[24-Nov-2009 13:18:57] <rmatte> docs/DOC-4434
[24-Nov-2009 13:19:01] <rmatte> then restart
[24-Nov-2009 13:19:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Post-2.4.5 Patches (at community.zenoss.org)
[24-Nov-2009 13:19:10] <eidolon> hey look at that :)
[24-Nov-2009 13:19:52] <eidolon> how cool.
[24-Nov-2009 13:19:58] * eidolon has never patched.
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:16] <rmatte> (I'm the authority on 2.4.5 bugs at this point lol)
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:19] <eidolon> snicker
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:23] <rmatte> it's easy
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:28] <rmatte> zenticket <patch number>
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:29] <eidolon> where are the patches themselves?
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:33] <rmatte> erm
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:34] <rmatte> zenpatch
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:35] <rmatte> rather
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:38] <eidolon> zenticket.
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:42] <eidolon> gotcha
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:44] <mrayzenoss> eidolon: they're in Subversion
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:45] <rmatte> zenticket is a daemon I'm working on
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:49] <eidolon> oh
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:52] <rmatte> forget about that, my mind is elsewhere
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:52] <mrayzenoss> eidolon: zenpatch just pulls them from SVN
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:55] <rmatte> zenpatch 15003 && zenpatch 14397 && zenpatch 15214
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:57] <rmatte> do that
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:01] <rmatte> then restart Zenoss
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:01] <eidolon> zenpatch 15003 && zenpatch 14397 && zenpatch 15214
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:03] <rmatte> and you're done
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:12] <eidolon> heh. yeah, taht :)
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:12] <eidolon> okay :)
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:13] <rmatte> do that as the zenoss user
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:31] <eidolon> [zenoss@lwmzen03 localhost]$ id
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:31] <eidolon> uid=1337(zenoss) gid=1025(zenoss) groups=1025(zenoss) context=user_u:system_r:unconfined_t
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:31] <eidolon> already there.
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:44] <eidolon> patched!
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:53] <eidolon> i'm going to tune down my log level on zencommand and then do a full restart.
[24-Nov-2009 13:22:07] <rmatte> cool
[24-Nov-2009 13:22:28] <rmatte> one of the patches is to fix the inability to manually set hardware and software product details for devices in 2.4.5
[24-Nov-2009 13:22:33] <rmatte> then next is to fix that zencommand issue
[24-Nov-2009 13:22:45] <eidolon> (huh, you guys are still using trac, eh? i'm about to migrate from it to jira)
[24-Nov-2009 13:22:46] <rmatte> and the next is to add tab-completion to zendmd (just a nice feature addition)
[24-Nov-2009 13:22:53] <rmatte> trac is god
[24-Nov-2009 13:23:00] <rmatte> we use it here
[24-Nov-2009 13:23:07] <eidolon> i find it slow :(
[24-Nov-2009 13:23:07] <eidolon> i like it for the most part.
[24-Nov-2009 13:23:27] <eidolon> http://congo.stonekeep.com/trac/ <-- my trac install (note that is my personal project rtac. not ${dayjob}
[24-Nov-2009 13:23:42] <rmatte> I don't find any performance issues with it
[24-Nov-2009 13:25:06] * eidolon does an /etc/init.d/zenoss restart
[24-Nov-2009 13:27:02] <rmatte> you can just do zenoss stop and zenoss start as the zenoss user
[24-Nov-2009 13:27:15] <rmatte> it doesn't restart the mysql db (which is rarely required)
[24-Nov-2009 13:27:44] <rmatte> you can also do zenoss restart, but I don't like doing it since it tries to bring daemons back up before they've had time to shut down
[24-Nov-2009 13:27:52] <rmatte> so sometimes you end up with half of the processes not running
[24-Nov-2009 13:27:54] * eidolon likes the bigger hammer approach.
[24-Nov-2009 13:28:01] <eidolon> i didn't reboot the box :)
[24-Nov-2009 13:28:10] <rmatte> bigger hammers make bigger dents when you miss the nail :P
[24-Nov-2009 13:29:16] * eidolon never misses. *smug*
[24-Nov-2009 13:31:20] <eidolon> YAY! i have chart data on an internal status URL! we have timing data!
[24-Nov-2009 13:31:23] * eidolon happydances.
[24-Nov-2009 13:32:06] <rmatte> lol
[24-Nov-2009 13:39:49] <gwb2352> what is a command-line method to set device information (Location, Group, Systems, Collector) ?
[24-Nov-2009 13:39:58] <rmatte> I think I'm going to add another patch to my Post-2.4.5 patch list, zenpatch 14049
[24-Nov-2009 13:40:29] <rmatte> gwb2352: it's done through linking, and I'm not sure exactly what functions are used for it
[24-Nov-2009 13:41:04] <gwb2352> yeah, i tried using zenbatchload with appropriate bits (that didn't work) so now I have lots of devices with None for Systems/Collector :(
[24-Nov-2009 13:41:54] <gwb2352> example: aldb4 systemPaths='/Systems/Database/oracle' , performanceMonitor='cornea'
[24-Nov-2009 13:42:33] <gwb2352> so the device aldb4 was created, but nothing for Paths or Monitor
[24-Nov-2009 13:43:05] <gwb2352> i'm thinking a wget to zport/dmd should work, somehow, but haven't gotten the correct syntax
[24-Nov-2009 13:44:55] <gwb2352> docs/DOC-3120 is what I'm slogging through
[24-Nov-2009 13:45:04] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 8.2 Editing Device Information (at community.zenoss.org)
[24-Nov-2009 13:50:55] <gwb2352> wget 'http://admin:XXXXX@eye:8080/zport/dmd/Devices/Server/Passive/aldb4/manage_editDevice?performanceMonitor=cornea&systemPaths=/Systems/Database/oracle'
[24-Nov-2009 13:51:09] <gwb2352> no love
[24-Nov-2009 13:54:41] <mrayzenoss> gwb2352: I bet you could use zendisc to do it
[24-Nov-2009 13:55:39] <mrayzenoss> gwb2352: something like zendisc run —now -d aldb4 —monitor cornea —deviceclass /Devices/Server/Passive
[24-Nov-2009 13:56:11] <rmatte> but remove the funky characters that his irc client threw in
[24-Nov-2009 13:57:31] <mrayzenoss> hmm… System and Group don't appear to be options
[24-Nov-2009 13:57:34] <gwb2352> yeah, i was looking at zendisc help but didn't see a commandline option for systemPaths
[24-Nov-2009 13:58:29] <gwb2352> the error (from wget) is "Bad port number"
[24-Nov-2009 14:13:26] * eidolon does what the happy support.zenoss.com folks say to do and hopes this resolves the zenjmx performance template problem.
[24-Nov-2009 14:14:24] <eidolon> hey question. i have one of my webheads giving me a Process not running: /usr/sbin/mysqld
[24-Nov-2009 14:14:34] <eidolon> we have absolutely no interest in monitoring that, and honestly don't knwo where it came from :)
[24-Nov-2009 14:14:44] <eidolon> i don't see it in teh process list under OS. how do i get rid of that monitor?
[24-Nov-2009 14:21:12] <mrayzenoss> back in a bit
[24-Nov-2009 14:35:07] zsprackett_ is now known as zsprackett
[24-Nov-2009 14:40:16] <gwb2352> ok, the "Bad Port" was because the password for admin had a "?" character in it. Now I'm stuck because of SSL redirect
[24-Nov-2009 14:43:54] * eidolon makes a rude gesture at JMX
[24-Nov-2009 14:46:17] charlieS_ is now known as charlieS
[24-Nov-2009 14:51:48] <gwb2352> success! forget wget, use curl!
[24-Nov-2009 14:53:12] <gwb2352> [zenoss@eye zenbatchload]$ curl -L -u admin:XXXXX 'http://eye.its.utexas.edu:8080/zport/dmd/Devices/Server/Passive/devices/aldb4/manage_editDevice?performanceMonitor=cornea&systemPaths=/Systems/Database/oracle'
[24-Nov-2009 15:34:45] <rmatte> nice
[24-Nov-2009 16:23:47] <cgibbons> hurm
[24-Nov-2009 16:34:48] <rmatte> ?
[24-Nov-2009 16:37:09] <rmatte> lol, I just pwned the forums, almost all of the recent discussions are my replies
[24-Nov-2009 16:37:48] <mrayzenoss> jeez, I'm second to last
[24-Nov-2009 16:38:12] <rmatte> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 16:38:29] <mrayzenoss> wait, I just posted this thread/12097?tstart=0
[24-Nov-2009 16:38:35] <mrayzenoss> oh man, cheap reply :p
[24-Nov-2009 16:38:47] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - All old URLs remapped (at community.zenoss.org)
[24-Nov-2009 16:38:48] <rmatte> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 16:39:08] <mrayzenoss> I marked that as the "Correct Answer"
[24-Nov-2009 16:39:11] <rmatte> that's the only cheap reply I have
[24-Nov-2009 16:39:17] <rmatte> :P
[24-Nov-2009 16:39:25] <rmatte> the rest are actually helpful replies
[24-Nov-2009 16:45:01] <rmatte> mhmmm, the power just failed on my home server, hopefully it comes back
[24-Nov-2009 16:45:18] <rmatte> (the server that I'm chatting through right now)
[24-Nov-2009 16:45:29] <rmatte> the UPS has about 15 minutes support for that server
[24-Nov-2009 16:45:52] <rmatte> ah it just came back
[24-Nov-2009 17:02:47] <ironpaw> hi
[24-Nov-2009 17:03:08] <rmatte> hi
[24-Nov-2009 17:03:17] <ironpaw> how are you rmatte ?
[24-Nov-2009 17:03:34] <rmatte> good thanks, yourself?
[24-Nov-2009 17:03:53] <ironpaw> not bad, a bit bearly eye'd this morning
[24-Nov-2009 17:03:53] <ironpaw> *yawwwn*
[24-Nov-2009 17:03:58] <ironpaw> need a coffee
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:12] <rmatte> hehe, it's not morning here
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:19] <ironpaw> Wed Nov 25 09:04:19 EST 2009
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:19] <rmatte> 6pm, I'm done work shortly :)
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:26] <ironpaw> nice one
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:30] <rmatte> Tue Nov 24 17:58:48 EST 2009
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:31] <ironpaw> before you go though...
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:47] <ironpaw> any hints on how to change the disk space used threshold on a single device?
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:59] <ironpaw> when polled via snmp (or wmi)?
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:09] <rmatte> yeh, it's easy, just create a local copy of the filesystem template
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:11] <ironpaw> ive had a google but not been able to locate anything
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:23] <ironpaw> is that part of the device template?
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:23] <rmatte> go to the device and the drive that you want to change the threshold on
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:31] <ironpaw> aah
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:31] <rmatte> no, it's a filesystem template
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:32] <ironpaw> at that level
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:36] <rmatte> so you need to actually click on the drive
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:38] <rmatte> then go to templates
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:41] <rmatte> and you'll see it there
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:45] <ironpaw> yeh i was doing it at the device then going wtf?
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:48] <ironpaw> my bad
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:53] <ironpaw> thanks for the heads up
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:56] <rmatte> same goes if you were doing the same for an interface
[24-Nov-2009 17:06:00] <rmatte> no problem
[24-Nov-2009 17:06:02] <ironpaw> true
[24-Nov-2009 17:06:17] <ironpaw> i tells ya, go a month without using zneoss and you forget stuff
[24-Nov-2009 17:06:30] <rmatte> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 17:06:44] <rmatte> never an issue for me, I use it almost every day
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:04] <ironpaw> hehe i went on a honey moon :P
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:09] <rmatte> ah
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:13] <rmatte> that'll do it
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:17] <rmatte> congratulations
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:19] <ironpaw> i still can't get the zenprocess daemon to start tho
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:23] <ironpaw> it just stopped one day and one start again
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:25] <ironpaw> thanks
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:32] <rmatte> any errors in zenprocess.log?
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:37] <ironpaw> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:43] <ironpaw> h5 i'll just dig em up
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:46] <rmatte> k
[24-Nov-2009 17:08:15] <ironpaw> 2009-10-09 11:34:03 ERROR zen.zenprocess: [Failure instance: Traceback (failure with no frames): exceptions.UnboundLocalError: local variable 'update' referenced before assignment
[24-Nov-2009 17:08:38] <ironpaw> and a heap of traceback cold
[24-Nov-2009 17:08:38] <ironpaw> code
[24-Nov-2009 17:08:47] <ironpaw> UnboundLocalError: local variable 'update' referenced before assignment
[24-Nov-2009 17:08:47] <rmatte> hmmm
[24-Nov-2009 17:08:54] <ironpaw> no changes just started happening one day
[24-Nov-2009 17:09:17] <ironpaw> been too scared to stop start other processes incase the same happens
[24-Nov-2009 17:09:59] <rmatte> well, it's complaining that the variable update isn't being set before it's being called on obviously
[24-Nov-2009 17:10:42] <ironpaw> yeh i guessed that
[24-Nov-2009 17:10:42] <ironpaw> i notice that we're a few versions behind so i might upgrade and see if that fixes stuff..
[24-Nov-2009 17:10:49] <ironpaw> we're running 2.4.5 vs 2.5.1
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:00] <rmatte> I'm running 2.4.5 on all my prod stuff
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:04] <rmatte> and I'm not having any issues
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:11] <ironpaw> o rly
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:17] <ironpaw> this is pretty much prod stuff too
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:25] <ironpaw> hmm
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:34] <rmatte> I'm running it with these patches though: docs/DOC-4434
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:41] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Post-2.4.5 Patches (at community.zenoss.org)
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:54] <ironpaw> i was doing some process monitoring stuff and couldn't see any changes so i restarted the zenprocess bit
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:57] <rmatte> but none of those patches are zenprocess related, you should still apply them though
[24-Nov-2009 17:12:10] <ironpaw> yeh might do
[24-Nov-2009 17:12:15] <ironpaw> thanks forhte links
[24-Nov-2009 17:12:17] <rmatte> np
[24-Nov-2009 17:13:22] <ironpaw> is it hometime yet?
[24-Nov-2009 17:13:22] <rmatte> getting there
[24-Nov-2009 17:13:22] <ironpaw> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 17:13:22] <rmatte> I can stick around for another few minutes
[24-Nov-2009 17:13:39] <ironpaw> nah im done so don't hang around for me
[24-Nov-2009 17:13:40] <rmatte> you running this on Linux?
[24-Nov-2009 17:14:14] <rmatte> or FreeBSD?
[24-Nov-2009 17:21:00] <rmatte> 2009-11-23 05:25:00 INFO zen.zenticket: ticket create script ran 347 times
[24-Nov-2009 17:21:06] <rmatte> I love it when our client tunnels drop
[24-Nov-2009 17:26:28] <ironpaw> sorry
[24-Nov-2009 17:26:32] <ironpaw> um its running on centos
[24-Nov-2009 17:26:34] <ironpaw> linux
[24-Nov-2009 17:26:40] <rmatte> ah ok
[24-Nov-2009 17:28:28] <rmatte> you could try a reindex() and commit() in zendmd, then restart all the daemons and see what happens
[24-Nov-2009 17:28:28] <ironpaw> hmm
[24-Nov-2009 17:28:28] <ironpaw> its kinda our prod montioring tool atm
[24-Nov-2009 17:28:37] <rmatte> I doubt that the other daemons are just going to magically crap out just because you restarted them
[24-Nov-2009 17:28:52] <rmatte> you can backup your $ZENHOME directory
[24-Nov-2009 17:29:24] <ironpaw> yeh i'll do a backup first
[24-Nov-2009 17:29:24] <rmatte> is it running on a physical box or a VM?
[24-Nov-2009 17:29:42] <ironpaw> i know they shouldn't magically crap out but the first instance of it happening i didnt expect
[24-Nov-2009 17:29:46] <ironpaw> its a physical
[24-Nov-2009 17:29:59] <rmatte> that sucks, if it was a VM you could just snapshot it
[24-Nov-2009 17:30:04] <ironpaw> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:30:07] <ironpaw> makes it a bit hard
[24-Nov-2009 17:30:17] <rmatte> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:30:19] <ironpaw> i think our zenoss backups are running over 1.5gb
[24-Nov-2009 17:30:36] <rmatte> that's fairly big, but not too bad
[24-Nov-2009 17:31:59] <ironpaw> that was as of a month ago
[24-Nov-2009 17:32:07] <ironpaw> we haven't scheduled regular backups of zenoss yet
[24-Nov-2009 17:32:42] <rmatte> I see
[24-Nov-2009 17:32:47] <ironpaw> slack i know
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:02] <rmatte> all our Zenoss servers are VMs, so we just clone them while they are running and use the clones as backups
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:05] <ironpaw> hehe hardly the way you should be running a prod app
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:14] <ironpaw> hmm
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:32] <rmatte> that way if something goes wrong we just fire up the latest clone and we're back in business
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:32] <ironpaw> you use the virtual appliances?
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:36] <rmatte> no
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:48] <rmatte> it's an image that was built from the ground up
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:51] <rmatte> and which I maintain
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:53] <ironpaw> yep
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:04] <rmatte> it's Ubuntu Server with Zenoss 2.4.5 (patched up with those patches I pasted)
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:05] <ironpaw> why wouldn't you use the virt apps?
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:10] <ironpaw> yep
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:11] <rmatte> and it has a ton of other customizations that I've done
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:29] <rmatte> because the virtual app is really more for demo than anything in my opinion
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:31] <ironpaw> fancy bash prompts?
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:32] <ironpaw> :P
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:44] * ironpaw is still tired
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:47] <rmatte> and because I don't like redhat
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:58] <ironpaw> yeh well i dont really have a choice @ work
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:12] <ironpaw> centos and rhel5
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:12] <rmatte> if we didn't have a choice, that'd be fine, but we do
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:13] <rmatte> lol
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:20] <ironpaw> my desktop is ubuntu tho
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:32] <mrayzenoss> later folks
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:38] <ironpaw> l8r
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:42] <rmatte> yeh, my desktop at work is ubuntu, my home desktop is ubuntu, and the 11 Zenoss servers that I manage are Ubuntu
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:47] <rmatte> later Matt
[24-Nov-2009 17:36:07] <ironpaw> yeh ive got to re-install my htpc @ home with the latest ubuntu
[24-Nov-2009 17:36:21] <ironpaw> try and get mythtv working better and vpdau on xbmc
[24-Nov-2009 17:36:32] <ironpaw> just had a heap of other crap on so its hard to get started
[24-Nov-2009 17:36:58] <rmatte> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:37:48] <rmatte> my friend is doing a mythtv setup soon
[24-Nov-2009 17:38:43] <rmatte> he's going to stream the discovery channel to me so that I can just cancel my cable, since that's all that I watch, and he has free tv for a year (promotional thing)
[24-Nov-2009 17:40:25] <ironpaw> hah cool
[24-Nov-2009 17:40:39] <ironpaw> got a few mates doing a foxtel cardsharing thing
[24-Nov-2009 17:40:48] <ironpaw> using sat and cable tv setups
[24-Nov-2009 17:40:52] <rmatte> cool
[24-Nov-2009 17:41:06] <ironpaw> get a dreambox, config it and it'll get paytv from the card sharing server
[24-Nov-2009 17:41:20] <ironpaw> yeh i've still been too slack to re-route the cable under the house so we can plug it in
[24-Nov-2009 17:42:15] <rmatte> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 17:44:15] <ironpaw> hows your networking rmatte ?
[24-Nov-2009 17:44:30] <ironpaw> trying to figure out how to get my wireless @ home sorted..
[24-Nov-2009 17:44:31] <rmatte> quite good
[24-Nov-2009 17:44:42] <rmatte> what's the issue with it?
[24-Nov-2009 17:44:44] <ironpaw> just replaced my router with a router + wireless AP
[24-Nov-2009 17:44:48] <ironpaw> but i use the router in bridged mode connected to the fw
[24-Nov-2009 17:45:24] <rmatte> if it's in bridged mode then you're not going to get any wireless out of it
[24-Nov-2009 17:45:32] <ironpaw> trying to figure out how I can configure the wireless so it 1) gets interwebs 2) can access internal shares, 3) is secure
[24-Nov-2009 17:45:32] <ironpaw> cos at the moment its outside the fw
[24-Nov-2009 17:45:47] <ironpaw> router is wired too, so ethernet is bridged
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:02] <ironpaw> wireless was still working and giving out ip addresses via dhcp
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:07] <rmatte> right, the ethernet is bridged to your firewall, meaning that it's just a passive device
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:12] <ironpaw> when you got the key right
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:13] <ironpaw> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:16] <ironpaw> thats what I thought
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:24] <rmatte> it'll give IP addresses via dhcp
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:27] <ironpaw> so I can't dmz the wireless at all somehow and get it to work?
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:30] <rmatte> but you'll never get an internet connection
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:44] <rmatte> unless you take it out of bridged mode, and let it do the first set of routing
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:54] <ironpaw> yeh but naah
[24-Nov-2009 17:47:01] <ironpaw> really happy with my fw setup at the moment
[24-Nov-2009 17:47:09] <ironpaw> might have to find a dedicated decent AP then
[24-Nov-2009 17:47:10] <rmatte> otherwise you're looking at throwing another wireless router behind the firewall
[24-Nov-2009 17:47:22] <ironpaw> yeh i've got one behind the fw atm
[24-Nov-2009 17:47:32] <ironpaw> but its old and need to power cycle it daily
[24-Nov-2009 17:47:39] <ironpaw> which gets old
[24-Nov-2009 17:48:25] <rmatte> you could always move the new wireless one behind the firewall and pick up a cheap non-wireless router to replace it
[24-Nov-2009 17:48:43] <rmatte> it would be cheaper than buying a second wireless router
[24-Nov-2009 17:49:03] <rmatte> you can dmz the wireless if you take the device out of bridged mode
[24-Nov-2009 17:49:03] <ironpaw> heh.. well i had a cheap non-wireless router but it died and the only replacement i could find on a week night at officeworks was one with wireless
[24-Nov-2009 17:49:04] <ironpaw> so i got it
[24-Nov-2009 17:49:18] <ironpaw> theres a bridged wireless feature on the router
[24-Nov-2009 17:49:25] <rmatte> think of bridged mode as, the router knows only to talk directly between the internet and the firewall and act as a direct bridge
[24-Nov-2009 17:49:38] <rmatte> it has no routing power of it's own hence it can't route any of the traffic out over the wireless
[24-Nov-2009 17:49:50] <rmatte> you need to take it out of bridge mode for the wireless to work
[24-Nov-2009 17:50:04] <rmatte> you could set it up to do both
[24-Nov-2009 17:50:21] <rmatte> route wireless traffic out the wireless interface and route other traffic to the firewall to be routed from there
[24-Nov-2009 17:50:33] <ironpaw> hmm
[24-Nov-2009 17:50:58] <rmatte> but once again, it can't be in bridge mode lol
[24-Nov-2009 17:51:11] <ironpaw> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:51:13] <ironpaw> screwed
[24-Nov-2009 17:51:30] <ironpaw> i'll just keep an eye out for a decent AP and until then.. keep power cycling the current one
[24-Nov-2009 17:51:34] <rmatte> well not really, what's your concern with doing it that way?
[24-Nov-2009 17:52:05] <rmatte> the way I do it at home is that I have my router as the head end device, then I have it forward certain ports to my server, then I have an iptables firewall running on my server
[24-Nov-2009 17:52:16] <rmatte> and my workstation has no ports forwarded to it
[24-Nov-2009 17:52:20] <ironpaw> i've got a dedicated linux box doing fw'ing, etc at home and keen to keep it
[24-Nov-2009 17:52:26] <rmatte> (well, except for bittorrent ports)
[24-Nov-2009 17:52:44] <ironpaw> yeh thats what killed the router previously
[24-Nov-2009 17:52:55] <ironpaw> the number of open connections would mean you'd have to reset the router
[24-Nov-2009 17:52:58] <ironpaw> with th elinux box theres none of those issues
[24-Nov-2009 17:53:10] <rmatte> was your previous router an old linksys?
[24-Nov-2009 17:53:22] <ironpaw> nah
[24-Nov-2009 17:53:32] <ironpaw> both were netcomm's nb6 and now a nb6w
[24-Nov-2009 17:53:40] <rmatte> my linksys had the same problem, then I threw dd-wrt firmware on it, and it has been rock solid since
[24-Nov-2009 17:53:51] <ironpaw> prior to that it was a billion adsl2+ route+wireless+ethernet
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:00] <ironpaw> and it just couldn't handle the traffic/load
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:00] <ironpaw> hmm
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:00] <ironpaw> dd-wrt
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:12] <ironpaw> thats a different kettle of fish tho
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:16] <ironpaw> thats making your router a linux box :P
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:21] <rmatte> I host a nameserver, a mail server, a web server, an irc server, and more off of my home server with virtually zero downtime
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:35] <ironpaw> 09:54:35 up 280 days, 22:51, 13 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:38] <rmatte> my router was already a linux box, the stock firmware was linux based
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:46] <ironpaw> my uptimes not bad for a home box
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:50] <rmatte> dd-wrt just runs a hell of a lot better under load
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:54] <ironpaw> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:01] <ironpaw> fair enough
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:23] <rmatte> my uptime would be really good if I had a UPS that lasts more than 15 minutes
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:25] <ironpaw> anyway i should probably DO some work instead of looking like im doing work
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:25] <ironpaw> thanks for your time rmatte
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:30] <rmatte> haha
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:30] <ironpaw> hah
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:35] <ironpaw> my ups can last 1hr
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:51] <rmatte> yeh, there's construction around my place and they take the power down often enough
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:55] <ironpaw> the gateway is the only thing on it, no monitor + a hub
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:00] <rmatte> 18:50:18 up 40 days, 11:24, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:08] <rmatte> it was at 220 days before the last reboot
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:18] <ironpaw> we had the powerlines to the house replaced a while back and i thought it'd die then for sure
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:21] <ironpaw> but it just hung in there
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:24] <rmatte> well, 223 or something, I don't remember exactly
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:33] <rmatte> nice
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:51] <rmatte> I've carried a server from room to room plugged in to a UPS before to maintain the uptime :)
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:56] <ironpaw> just a apc smartups
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:00] <ironpaw> hahaha
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:02] <ironpaw> thats hardcore
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:04] <rmatte> yeh, I have an APC UPS too
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:15] <rmatte> http://dmon.org/apcupsd/
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:20] <rmatte> apcupsd == the best
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:36] <ironpaw> never seen that before
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:42] <ironpaw> do you need the interface cable ? :P
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:49] <rmatte> yeh, the USB one
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:01] <rmatte> USB to ethernet looking cable
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:04] <ironpaw> hmm i didnt gank that fro mthe last job
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:13] <ironpaw> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:17] <rmatte> you can buy them at radioshack or something
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:18] <ironpaw> there was a heap there too
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:28] <ironpaw> i might hunt around the store room here
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:37] <rmatte> I wish we still had radioshacks here
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:38] <ironpaw> i think my ups has the rs interface tho
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:48] <ironpaw> not the rj connector
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:50] <rmatte> they all got bought out and they are called "The Source" now, and they suck
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:55] <rmatte> ah
[24-Nov-2009 17:59:02] <rmatte> your UPS is probably larger than mine
[24-Nov-2009 17:59:22] <ironpaw> its only got 2 7amp 12v batteries
[24-Nov-2009 17:59:42] <rmatte> well, the thing is, my server has 3 power supplies...
[24-Nov-2009 17:59:47] <rmatte> so it pulls a lot of power
[24-Nov-2009 17:59:57] <ironpaw> http://www.ahwx.com/images/apc_smart_ups_h9l3.jpg
[24-Nov-2009 17:59:59] <rmatte> (It's a 3U rackmount with 4 1.6GHz Xeons)
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:08] <ironpaw> altho its a 500 not a 1400
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:14] <ironpaw> haha that'd be why it lasts for 15mins
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:20] <rmatte> yup
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:26] <rmatte> it's a powerhouse though
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:29] <ironpaw> mines linux in a desktop case with 1 powersupply
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:31] <rmatte> compiling on it is fast fast fast
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:37] <rmatte> has 3 scsi drives in it too
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:38] <ironpaw> yeh i bet
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:48] <rmatte> yeh, your UPS is a bit larger than mine
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:53] <ironpaw> got a poweredge next to it thats not going atm and I reckon that'd kill the UPS
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:20] <ironpaw> with 5xscsi disks + 4xide+sata
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:36] <ironpaw> was going to make it a nas but can't get linux to boot off the drive
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:42] <rmatte> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:47] <rmatte> that sucks
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:48] <ironpaw> so i gave up
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:48] <ironpaw> and the power consumption would kill it
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:51] <rmatte> http://dmon.org/graphics/comproom/DSCF0379.JPG
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:56] <rmatte> there's a photo of the server
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:03] <ironpaw> at least all that gear is in the shed so its not noisy in the house
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:07] <rmatte> weighs 110lbs
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:10] <rmatte> pain in the ass to ove
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:12] <rmatte> move*
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:20] <ironpaw> haha
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:24] <ironpaw> we've got 2 server rooms full of that shit
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:26] <rmatte> my computer room is quite loud
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:31] <ironpaw> yeh i reckon
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:46] <rmatte> yeh, I bought that thing like 2 and a half years ago
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:52] <ironpaw> how much you pay?
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:53] <rmatte> got everything except for the hard drives for $700
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:02] <ironpaw> fark me
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:03] <rmatte> got the hard drives brand new for $250 each
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:03] <ironpaw> bargain
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:15] <rmatte> with 5 year warranty
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:17] <ironpaw> they sas drives?
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:20] <ironpaw> nice one
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:21] <rmatte> SCSI
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:28] <rmatte> hot swappable
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:33] <ironpaw> tidy
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:41] <rmatte> yup
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:46] <ironpaw> redunancy for your pron :P
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:48] <rmatte> took like 3 seconds to install them
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:48] <ironpaw> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:51] <ironpaw> raid 5!
[24-Nov-2009 18:04:03] <rmatte> actually I have it raid zeroed right now, going to redo the whole server soon
[24-Nov-2009 18:04:12] <rmatte> I want to throw ESXi on it
[24-Nov-2009 18:04:17] <rmatte> I need to buy some more RAM for it first
[24-Nov-2009 18:04:53] <ironpaw> hmm im not a fan of virtualisation
[24-Nov-2009 18:04:59] <ironpaw> its ok for some shit but not everything under the sun
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:02] <rmatte> but yeh, with ESXi I could easily run 3 or 4 VMs on there and actually put the thing to use
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:10] <ironpaw> but im just oldskool
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:17] <rmatte> I love virtualization
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:22] <ironpaw> that is true rmatte
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:22] <rmatte> makes stuff incredibly easy
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:23] <ironpaw> best use of hardware
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:47] <ironpaw> i love my virtualbox :P
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:50] <rmatte> anyways, I'd better get out of here and let you get to work, you slacker
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:58] <ironpaw> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 18:06:03] <ironpaw> dont need any encouragement
[24-Nov-2009 18:06:03] <rmatte> I use virtualbox on my workstation to run my windows VM
[24-Nov-2009 18:06:10] <ironpaw> later dude thanks for the chat
[24-Nov-2009 18:06:16] <rmatte> since I only use it for Outlook and VMWare
[24-Nov-2009 18:06:19] <ironpaw> same
[24-Nov-2009 18:06:21] <rmatte> later
[24-Nov-2009 18:06:26] <ironpaw> rater
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[25-Nov-2009 03:45:45] <Dieterbe> hi, on my monitoring server, i sometimes get "Unable to save data for OID" events. why could this be? there is enough place on the harddisk, the monitoring box is not too loaded etc
[25-Nov-2009 05:32:51] <Troubadix09> hi all
[25-Nov-2009 05:59:59] <chemist> hello
[25-Nov-2009 09:33:54] <rmatte> hmmm, from home when I click the jive login link it does absolutely nothing
[25-Nov-2009 09:34:09] <rmatte> and there's no direct link to the login page, so I can't login at all
[25-Nov-2009 09:41:06] <rmatte> hmmm, doesn't work from my windows VM either
[25-Nov-2009 09:44:09] <rmatte> ah, now it does after clicking a million times
[25-Nov-2009 09:45:01] <MattD> A million is a lot.
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[25-Nov-2009 09:45:24] <mrayzenoss> works for me from 3 different ISPs
[25-Nov-2009 09:45:54] <rmatte> yeh, it has to be a problem with my browser, just strange since it's the exact same setup I have at work and it works fine there
[25-Nov-2009 09:46:27] <Dieterbe> curl -I <webpage> is nice to debug such problems
[25-Nov-2009 09:52:14] <rmatte> ah, hmmmm, this might actually be cause by something else...
[25-Nov-2009 09:52:51] <rmatte> When I first load a page on the site it takes forever to download something from sflogo.sourceforge.net
[25-Nov-2009 09:53:02] <rmatte> and until it downloads it it won't allow the login box to come up
[25-Nov-2009 09:53:22] <rmatte> so if I wait a while I can finally login
[25-Nov-2009 10:12:36] <rocket> Hello everyone :)
[25-Nov-2009 10:13:13] <mrayzenoss> howdy
[25-Nov-2009 10:14:25] * rocket just found out software I spent a day and a half figuring out is going the way of the dodo ....
[25-Nov-2009 10:19:52] <Dieterbe> hey, on my monitoring server, i sometimes get "Unable to save data for OID" events. why could this be? there is enough place on the harddisk, the monitoring box is not too loaded etc
[25-Nov-2009 10:23:28] <rmatte> rocket: that sucks
[25-Nov-2009 10:31:04] <rocket> yea ... it was apparmor for opensuse .. the devs for the project were fired .. the lead is working for microsoft now .. so it looks like its being switched to selinux
[25-Nov-2009 10:31:31] <rocket> found the article about it while I was researching a problem I had with it ..
[25-Nov-2009 10:31:45] <rocket> oh well at least I didnt have a full blown implementation to deal with :p
[25-Nov-2009 10:32:42] <Dieterbe> oh. apparmor was/is pretty cool imho. simpler then selinux
[25-Nov-2009 10:35:14] <ke4qqq> rocket: link to the article?
[25-Nov-2009 10:36:05] <rocket> here is one link
[25-Nov-2009 10:36:08] <rocket> http://www.windowsvistaplace.com/the-future-of-apparmor/software
[25-Nov-2009 10:36:29] <adytum-bot> Title: The Future of AppArmor - MS Windows Vista Compatible Software (at www.windowsvistaplace.com)
[25-Nov-2009 10:36:45] <rocket> http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/08/23/apparmor-is-dead/
[25-Nov-2009 10:37:06] <adytum-bot> Title: AppArmor is Dead | etbe - Russell Coker (at etbe.coker.com.au)
[25-Nov-2009 10:37:24] <rocket> I believe Coker was/is the main author of the software
[25-Nov-2009 10:38:50] <rocket> Dieterbe: looks like I will learn selinux .. heh .. :p
[25-Nov-2009 10:39:25] <rocket> actually crispin is the author
[25-Nov-2009 10:40:38] <ke4qqq> fascinating. SELinux isn't too bad, once you get your head around it - it's that initial grokking of how it works that's so painful.
[25-Nov-2009 10:40:55] <rmatte> apparmor is dead?
[25-Nov-2009 10:41:09] <rmatte> ah
[25-Nov-2009 10:41:10] <rocket> rmatte: going that way ..
[25-Nov-2009 10:41:19] <rocket> unless the community picks it up
[25-Nov-2009 10:41:25] <rmatte> Ubuntu uses apparmor too
[25-Nov-2009 10:41:26] <ke4qqq> appears to be heading that way
[25-Nov-2009 10:42:11] <rocket> http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/09/04/opinions-facts-apparmor/
[25-Nov-2009 10:42:15] <ke4qqq> huh?? really??? /me thought they used selinux
[25-Nov-2009 10:42:22] <rocket> an updated article ..
[25-Nov-2009 10:42:31] <adytum-bot> Title: Random Opinions, Expert Opinions, and Facts about AppArmor | etbe - Russell Coker (at etbe.coker.com.au)
[25-Nov-2009 10:42:52] <rmatte> ke4qqq: apparmor support was added in 7.04 and turned on by default since 8.04
[25-Nov-2009 10:43:03] <ke4qqq> wow - shows what I know
[25-Nov-2009 10:45:57] <rmatte> http://blogs.msdn.com/crispincowan/archive/2008/09/02/go-ahead-make-my-day.aspx
[25-Nov-2009 10:46:13] <mrayzenoss> ke4qqq: yeah, you really should keep up with Ubuntu news :p
[25-Nov-2009 10:46:17] <adytum-bot> Title: Security Is Simple: Only Use Perfect Software : Go Ahead, Make My Day (at blogs.msdn.com)
[25-Nov-2009 10:46:53] <rocket> ke4qqq: in reality apparmor wasnt that hard to figure out .. but I was having trouble with one pesky little part of it .. trying to figure out what it was doing adding /sbin/dhclient//null-a1 for example ...
[25-Nov-2009 10:48:11] <ke4qqq> mrayzenoss: yeah - you'd think I would have caught something like that in LWN or somewhere though.
[25-Nov-2009 10:48:59] <mrayzenoss> BTW, to followup on the QA discussion we had… we're going to try to schedule regular QA days every 2 weeks starting next month
[25-Nov-2009 10:49:27] <mrayzenoss> we'll try to sync it with the IRC session and releasing Alpha builds
[25-Nov-2009 10:49:33] <ke4qqq> cool!!!
[25-Nov-2009 10:49:39] <Rocinante> ke4qqq: Is that your callsign? :>
[25-Nov-2009 10:49:41] <mrayzenoss> with a theme for testing each session
[25-Nov-2009 10:49:55] <ke4qqq> I have a system ready and waiting to do testing with.
[25-Nov-2009 10:50:02] <ke4qqq> Rocinante: yes
[25-Nov-2009 10:50:13] <Rocinante> Thought it might be... 73 from W2SRH
[25-Nov-2009 10:50:21] <mrayzenoss> I'll have more on it after Thanksgiving
[25-Nov-2009 10:51:01] <ke4qqq> Rocinante: cool - nice to meet you.
[25-Nov-2009 10:51:23] <ke4qqq> mrayzenoss: that will be awesome. any idea of the overhead that creating livecds added?
[25-Nov-2009 10:52:30] <mrayzenoss> ke4qqq: it was 2 minutes of work
[25-Nov-2009 10:52:40] <mrayzenoss> just had to tell rPath to spit them out
[25-Nov-2009 10:52:42] <ke4qqq> AWESOME!
[25-Nov-2009 10:53:05] <chudler> what ubuntu does tends to have little effect on upstream, mostly because they make so few contributions, with some exceptions (upstart?).
[25-Nov-2009 10:54:27] <ke4qqq> wow - that didn't even come out of my mouth. :)
[25-Nov-2009 10:54:36] <mrayzenoss> heh
[25-Nov-2009 11:00:01] <chemist> when you monitor a linux process with zenoss, what does it actually monitor? it's presence only? or does it look at delta changes too?
[25-Nov-2009 11:02:56] <rocket> kgoedtel: hrmm another minnesotan? ;p
[25-Nov-2009 11:03:07] <kgoedtel> yeah
[25-Nov-2009 11:03:27] <rocket> as am I .. :p
[25-Nov-2009 11:03:36] <kgoedtel> I'm in St. Paul
[25-Nov-2009 11:04:10] <rocket> working in minnetonka .. live in elk river...
[25-Nov-2009 11:04:47] <kgoedtel> sounds like a longish drive
[25-Nov-2009 11:04:56] <rocket> somewhat ..
[25-Nov-2009 11:05:02] <rocket> about half hour
[25-Nov-2009 11:05:11] <kgoedtel> probably bad traffic haha
[25-Nov-2009 11:05:20] <kgoedtel> depending on your hours
[25-Nov-2009 11:05:37] <rocket> getting better with the northstar actually .. or maybe it was the run up to this holiday .. ;p
[25-Nov-2009 11:06:23] <kgoedtel> i was in elk river on saturday visiting family, saw the northstar for the first time on highway 10
[25-Nov-2009 11:06:45] <kgoedtel> seems like a good way to go if it takes you to the right place haha
[25-Nov-2009 11:07:15] <rocket> surprisingly enough one of the dirty jobs episodes featured building the northstar train .. though they didnt say so in the episode .. you could tell what it was .. had the metro transit stuff all over it
[25-Nov-2009 11:07:48] <kgoedtel> interesting
[25-Nov-2009 11:07:54] <kgoedtel> i will need to find this episode
[25-Nov-2009 11:09:32] <rocket> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK1qI7dvs94&feature=related
[25-Nov-2009 11:10:34] <kgoedtel> nice thanks
[25-Nov-2009 11:11:24] <rocket> its towards the end of the episode they start showing the finished train more etc
[25-Nov-2009 11:33:16] <chemist> bump
[25-Nov-2009 11:33:19] <chemist> when you monitor a linux process with zenoss, what does it actually monitor? it's presence only? or does it look at delta changes too?
[25-Nov-2009 11:36:28] <ke4qqq> chemist: define: delta changes??
[25-Nov-2009 11:37:06] <mrayzenoss> it tracks memory and cpu usage
[25-Nov-2009 11:37:28] * ke4qqq thought it did count as well, but I may be confusing that with an RFE
[25-Nov-2009 11:38:45] <chemist> ok, and these can have thresolds set I'm guessing?
[25-Nov-2009 11:39:18] <ke4qqq> it does process count as well
[25-Nov-2009 11:39:48] <ke4qqq> chemist: yep, it's just a template - you can make a local copy (or not) and set threshholds
[25-Nov-2009 11:40:43] <chemist> ke4qqq: thnks
[25-Nov-2009 11:40:51] <ke4qqq> np
[25-Nov-2009 11:41:35] <chemist> mrayzenoss: when is the next QA session?
[25-Nov-2009 11:44:47] <ke4qqq> chemist: based on what he said earlier, sometime after thanksgiving - they are doing a couple a week iirc.
[25-Nov-2009 11:45:20] * chemist looks for an american calnedar
[25-Nov-2009 11:45:29] <chemist> *calendar
[25-Nov-2009 11:45:51] <ke4qqq> thanksgiving is this thursday
[25-Nov-2009 11:46:00] <chemist> ah, ok
[25-Nov-2009 11:46:31] <rhettardo> any one had issues w/ interface counters? on my two switches in the default switch device class i am having oddities. sometimes the counters are correct. other times they are way off. currently it shows an average of 358Tb/s and a max of 1.93Pb/s which obviously is way off
[25-Nov-2009 11:47:10] <chemist> rhettardo: too many torrents :)
[25-Nov-2009 11:47:12] <ke4qqq> wow, I want one of your switches :) I haven't personally seen that behavior
[25-Nov-2009 11:48:20] <rhettardo> i've compared my DS from cacti and zenoss and almost everything correlates but the decimal point
[25-Nov-2009 11:49:09] <rhettardo> 1259169900: 2.4062886621e+14
[25-Nov-2009 11:49:10] <rhettardo> 1259170200: 2.1207838994e+05
[25-Nov-2009 11:49:18] <rhettardo> i dont know why its changing it though
[25-Nov-2009 12:28:43] <cgibbons> hurm
[25-Nov-2009 12:54:02] <cgibbons> so this week is the first time I'm making a 'real' ZenPack from scratch. should have done this 18 months ago :)
[25-Nov-2009 12:55:44] <ke4qqq> q
[25-Nov-2009 13:26:01] <rocket> cgibbons?
[25-Nov-2009 13:26:15] <mrayzenoss> looks like he left
[25-Nov-2009 13:26:52] <rocket> mrayzenoss: hrmm I hope he will understand the changes I want to make after going through that process :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:39:45] <rmatte> lol
[25-Nov-2009 13:40:15] <rmatte> by create a "real ZenPack", he means create it from scratch I assume?
[25-Nov-2009 13:40:24] <rmatte> like, without using Zenoss to generate it
[25-Nov-2009 13:41:44] <mrayzenoss> yeah, I think he's writing a new one from scratch
[25-Nov-2009 13:41:53] <rmatte> cool
[25-Nov-2009 13:42:32] <rmatte> I'm going to try my hand at writing a proper collector plugin and UI enhancement at some point soon
[25-Nov-2009 13:43:25] <rocket> rmatte: .... oooo scary ... :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:43:29] <rmatte> hehe
[25-Nov-2009 13:43:40] <rocket> I have done a few now from scratch ... :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:43:45] <rmatte> I wrote my first daemon zenpack, and it works
[25-Nov-2009 13:44:16] <rocket> I think I am going to rewrite the modeller daemon and command daemon into one ...
[25-Nov-2009 13:44:19] <rmatte> although it's not really done "properly" in the sense that it's not written like any of the other zenoss daemons
[25-Nov-2009 13:44:31] <rmatte> but it works
[25-Nov-2009 13:45:03] <rmatte> still have some enhancements to do to it, once it's 100% stable and I'm happy with it I'll release it publicly
[25-Nov-2009 13:46:12] <rmatte> rocket: what are the advantages of having them as a single daemon?
[25-Nov-2009 13:48:40] <rmatte> less duplication of code?
[25-Nov-2009 13:48:47] <rocket> rmatte: that is the thought
[25-Nov-2009 13:48:56] <rocket> I havent dug into it enough to see if it makes sense
[25-Nov-2009 13:48:57] <rmatte> ah
[25-Nov-2009 13:49:40] <rocket> but I know for ssh zenpacks it would be nice to be one .. otherwise I basically have to code the modeller and collector separately but its the same thing
[25-Nov-2009 13:50:17] <rmatte> ah yeh, you were mentioning that a while back
[25-Nov-2009 13:50:44] <rocket> I dont know if its possible to do my vision with the way performance templates are created etc
[25-Nov-2009 13:51:23] <rmatte> well, you won't know until you get in there and check
[25-Nov-2009 13:51:58] <rocket> heh i have a feeling i would have to rip the whole thing apart .. :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:52:08] <rmatte> could be
[25-Nov-2009 13:52:18] <rocket> and that probably would break everyone elses zenpacks etc ... ;p
[25-Nov-2009 13:52:25] <rmatte> probably
[25-Nov-2009 13:52:35] <rocket> another idea I have is to create a new data class
[25-Nov-2009 13:53:09] <rocket> the thought is to have everything reference the data class for data .. and the dataclass has subcomponents that are either zopedb,rrd, or mysql data etc
[25-Nov-2009 13:53:23] <rmatte> ah
[25-Nov-2009 13:53:24] <rmatte> cool
[25-Nov-2009 13:53:26] <rocket> basically build a common api for accessing data
[25-Nov-2009 13:53:51] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Nov-2009 13:54:17] <rocket> thats another thought anyway .. but its a complex beast .. ;p
[25-Nov-2009 13:54:25] <rmatte> hehe
[25-Nov-2009 13:54:59] <rocket> but in reality it should be done to allow for future growth ..
[25-Nov-2009 13:55:14] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Nov-2009 13:55:18] <rocket> eg if it needs to use oracle instead .. or some other object based backend for performance
[25-Nov-2009 13:56:01] <rocket> and it might even allow for customers etc to code their own custom data backends that can just be plugged in
[25-Nov-2009 13:56:21] <rocket> and then zenoss just graphs it or alerts on it ..
[25-Nov-2009 13:56:26] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Nov-2009 13:56:36] <rocket> again grand ideas but little to no design feasibility work .. :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:56:58] <rocket> heh I probably will end up going .. ugh .. not worth it .. ;p
[25-Nov-2009 13:57:16] <rmatte> sometimes things need to be left as they are, however flawed it may be
[25-Nov-2009 13:57:22] <rocket> agreed
[25-Nov-2009 13:57:41] <rocket> the lovely 80-20 rule .. :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:57:50] <rmatte> If your whole house is being held up by concrete blocks, are you really going to want to take the risk of replacing them with steel blocks?
[25-Nov-2009 13:58:02] <rocket> yes damnit .. :)
[25-Nov-2009 13:58:05] <rmatte> haha
[25-Nov-2009 13:58:25] <jrock2004> Trying to view Zenoss from my iPhone
[25-Nov-2009 13:58:31] <rocket> it might be chinese concrete .. oh wait was that drywall .. :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:58:37] <jrock2004> Looks good so far
[25-Nov-2009 13:58:52] <rmatte> jrock2004: yeh, I've viewed it on mine before and it seemed to work relatively well
[25-Nov-2009 13:58:57] <jrock2004> Google map portlet does not work
[25-Nov-2009 13:59:06] <adytum-bot> jrock2004: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[25-Nov-2009 13:59:23] <rocket> heh I am waiting till the day my company will support the droid and I can use that instead .. :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:59:54] <rmatte> hehe
[25-Nov-2009 14:00:52] <jrock2004> Now I just wish I could log into Zenoss when I am not in the office
[25-Nov-2009 14:01:03] <rmatte> jrock2004: it's called VPN
[25-Nov-2009 14:01:40] <jrock2004> Yeah site does not have that setup.
[25-Nov-2009 14:01:58] <jrock2004> I could use ssh tunneling but iphone does not support it yet
[25-Nov-2009 14:04:11] <jrock2004> I know there is a way if I jailbreak my iPhone. But I don't want to do that route
[25-Nov-2009 14:04:35] <rmatte> I have mine jailbroken and it's nice
[25-Nov-2009 14:04:39] <rmatte> works fine
[25-Nov-2009 14:04:54] <jrock2004> Yeah but did you hear about that virus that attacks the jail broken iphones
[25-Nov-2009 14:05:15] <rmatte> yeh, but only if you're an idiot and don't change the ssh password on your iphone
[25-Nov-2009 14:05:20] <chudler> heh, yeah I am amazed it took so long, with the default pw and all
[25-Nov-2009 14:05:27] <rmatte> it only affects people who leave the password at the default which is 'alpine'
[25-Nov-2009 14:05:30] <rmatte> and very well known
[25-Nov-2009 14:05:44] <rocket> rmatte: I am coming for your iphone ... ;p
[25-Nov-2009 14:05:54] <rocket> phear me ... :p
[25-Nov-2009 14:05:57] <rmatte> rocket: good luck :)
[25-Nov-2009 14:06:09] <rmatte> not to mention that I only toggle ssh on when I need it
[25-Nov-2009 14:06:09] <rocket> uh .. whats your address again? :)
[25-Nov-2009 14:06:12] <rmatte> it's off the rest of the time
[25-Nov-2009 14:06:21] <rmatte> rocket: :P
[25-Nov-2009 14:06:38] <rocket> can you by me the airline ticket to pick it up? :)
[25-Nov-2009 14:06:43] <rocket> buy
[25-Nov-2009 14:06:52] <rmatte> it's a gen-1 iphone
[25-Nov-2009 14:07:17] <rmatte> I'm going to get myself a 3GS soon enough
[25-Nov-2009 14:11:13] <rocket> like I said I am hoping to try the droid .. but I am forced into blackberry at the moment
[25-Nov-2009 14:11:44] <ckrough> I picked up a Droid. These things have publicly addressable IPs
[25-Nov-2009 14:11:47] <rocket> eg work requires me to have the blackberry and be connected in ... but they are researching other options
[25-Nov-2009 14:11:57] <ckrough> the Droid feels like the iPhone all over again. its great
[25-Nov-2009 14:12:04] <rocket> ckrough: really? :)
[25-Nov-2009 14:12:06] <ckrough> yeah
[25-Nov-2009 14:12:14] <ckrough> meaning, I feel like I did when I got the iPhone
[25-Nov-2009 14:12:15] <jrock2004> I heard people are not liking the driod
[25-Nov-2009 14:12:18] <ckrough> pfft
[25-Nov-2009 14:12:33] <rocket> ckrough: I am assuming with all the google stuff coming it will be quite the phone for data retrieval in the near future if not already
[25-Nov-2009 14:12:48] <ckrough> what do you mean by data retrieval?
[25-Nov-2009 14:13:04] <ckrough> the screen resolution is great, that plus the kbd and you can actually use SSH pretty well
[25-Nov-2009 14:13:11] <jrock2004> rmatte: I beat Assassins Creed 2
[25-Nov-2009 14:13:33] <Rocinante> Cool, send it over here and I'll try it now :P
[25-Nov-2009 14:13:44] <ckrough> woot. got this high performance collector doing over 300k OIDs in under 40s
[25-Nov-2009 14:13:55] <Rocinante> My wife didn't think that my son should get that for me for his birthday (he turned 2 on the 17th)
[25-Nov-2009 14:14:09] <Rocinante> Something about he should be the one getting presents, yadda yadda..
[25-Nov-2009 14:14:40] <rocket> whats with wifes wanting the kids to get all the presents ... ;p
[25-Nov-2009 14:14:52] <rocket> my wife has the same thoughts
[25-Nov-2009 14:17:03] <rmatte> jrock2004: nice, that was quick
[25-Nov-2009 14:17:37] <rmatte> jrock2004: I'm starting to get used to the MW2 online play
[25-Nov-2009 14:29:29] <cgibbons> didn't AC2 just come out?
[25-Nov-2009 14:29:33] <cgibbons> i haven't even finished 1
[25-Nov-2009 14:29:41] <cgibbons> not that it means anything given the # of hours per year i spend playing games of any kind :)
[25-Nov-2009 15:12:35] <rmatte> hehe
[25-Nov-2009 15:24:07] <jrock2004> rmatte: I was playing mw2. Still unrealistic as ever
[25-Nov-2009 15:26:29] <mrayzenoss> I just started Bioshock on my XBox… not sure I like it
[25-Nov-2009 15:27:25] <mrayzenoss> I'm always a few years behind the gaming curve
[25-Nov-2009 15:27:37] <mrayzenoss> but I love Left4Dead
[25-Nov-2009 15:27:55] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: its cool. My wife keeps me behind cause she hates when I buy games lol
[25-Nov-2009 15:35:17] <mrayzenoss> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5864
[25-Nov-2009 15:36:05] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: didn't I see you post a work-around for this somewhere?
[25-Nov-2009 15:50:30] <cgibbons> ugh. now i get to learn how to create a custom catalog.
[25-Nov-2009 15:51:38] <jrock2004> Do I need to create a seperate login to create a ticket for Zenoss?
[25-Nov-2009 15:54:23] <jrock2004> I wanted to create a ticket for zenoss 2.5 overwriting my hw info when the device gets model
[25-Nov-2009 16:04:14] <Rocinante> jrock2004: zenoss/zenoss
[25-Nov-2009 16:04:25] <jrock2004> thank I just created the ticket
[25-Nov-2009 16:04:27] <Rocinante> (it's somewhere in the FAQ for creating tickets I think)
[25-Nov-2009 16:04:31] <jrock2004> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5865
[25-Nov-2009 16:04:48] <jrock2004> Hope I filled it out right ;)
[25-Nov-2009 16:05:50] * Rocinante <3 fail2ban
[25-Nov-2009 16:06:26] <Rocinante> 3 seconds after some nimrod starts SSH scanning hosts on the network, he picks up a 4-hour blackball entry in the firewall. Ahh...
[25-Nov-2009 16:49:47] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: I believe the workaround was to delete the ZenPack directories for those packs
[25-Nov-2009 16:50:04] <rmatte> there should be some in $ZENHOME/ZenPacks
[25-Nov-2009 16:50:48] <mrayzenoss> good to know, I'm just glad I figured out what was causing that bug
[25-Nov-2009 16:50:55] <rmatte> nice
[25-Nov-2009 16:51:05] <rmatte> yeh, that was becoming a fairly common bug
[25-Nov-2009 16:52:20] <rmatte> I've seen a few people having zenmigrate errors too: message/42575#42575
[25-Nov-2009 16:52:25] <rmatte> not sure if you could look in to that?
[25-Nov-2009 16:52:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Error in zenmigrate from 2.4.2 to 2.5.1 (at community.zenoss.org)
[25-Nov-2009 16:53:26] <mrayzenoss> passed it on to our QA manager… I'm way behind on my forum reading since I was out 2 weeks
[25-Nov-2009 16:53:49] <mrayzenoss> he asked me to forward him any new 2.5.1 issues
[25-Nov-2009 16:54:14] <mrayzenoss> spent most of today trying to get ZenPacks published
[25-Nov-2009 16:54:16] <rmatte> cool
[25-Nov-2009 16:54:25] <mrayzenoss> went down the rathole of that dependency bug
[25-Nov-2009 16:54:54] <mrayzenoss> and when I solved it I realized the VMware image doesn't have easy_install, so I can't test Egor's new ODBC ZenPacks
[25-Nov-2009 16:55:22] <rmatte> crappy
[25-Nov-2009 16:55:49] <mrayzenoss> well, he told me he's working on a hybrid one that uses either PyODBC or an installed ODBC tool, so that's cool
[25-Nov-2009 16:58:47] <mrayzenoss> but I gotta run, and I'll be out until Monday, so have a good week/end
[25-Nov-2009 17:09:11] <rmatte> later
[25-Nov-2009 17:09:21] <rmatte> have a good weekend too
[25-Nov-2009 17:37:01] * zenethian passes out cappuchino flavored turkeys
[25-Nov-2009 17:37:34] <zenethian> Or maybe turkey flavored cappuchinos
[25-Nov-2009 17:52:47] <cgibbons> yum
[25-Nov-2009 17:56:00] <cgibbons> and on that note...
[25-Nov-2009 18:07:31] <ironpaw> *yawwwnn*
[25-Nov-2009 18:07:36] <ironpaw> morning all
[25-Nov-2009 18:31:57] <ironpaw> quiet bunch today eh
[25-Nov-2009 18:36:01] <aclark> ironpaw: yo
[25-Nov-2009 18:46:57] <ironpaw> sappenin?
[25-Nov-2009 18:50:21] <aclark> not much
[25-Nov-2009 18:50:28] <aclark> fiddling with buildout as usual
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[26-Nov-2009 04:48:51] <tehhobbit> uuuhm just discovered that all my perfgraphs disappered when I upgraded to 2.5
[26-Nov-2009 06:10:20] <AsGF2MX> Hi
[26-Nov-2009 06:12:18] <chemist> hello
[26-Nov-2009 06:13:59] <AsGF2MX> I'm a little stuck with a graph that doesn't want to create itself. Seems like the RRD file is missing.
[26-Nov-2009 06:14:35] <AsGF2MX> What should I be looking into?
[26-Nov-2009 06:16:26] <AsGF2MX> Any ideas chemist?
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[26-Nov-2009 11:00:51] <rmatte> Are the log files in $ZENHOME/log automatically rotated via logrotate, or is the rotation actually coded in to each individual daemon?
[26-Nov-2009 11:52:30] <rmatte> man, the python documentation for the logger module blows ass
[26-Nov-2009 11:52:41] <rmatte> logging module rather
[26-Nov-2009 12:00:12] <rmatte> eugh, finally got this logging code working but I can't figure out why the heck it's not working properly in my actual script
[26-Nov-2009 12:25:44] <rmatte> well, apparently I wasn't calling it early enough
[26-Nov-2009 12:28:05] <rmatte> but now when I define it early and then call on logging later it doesn't work
[26-Nov-2009 12:28:11] * rmatte tears his hair out
[26-Nov-2009 13:18:36] <rmatte> anyone know how I would re-define logging.basicConfig after doing a bunch of imports?
[26-Nov-2009 13:19:07] <rmatte> it looks like after I import the Zenoss stuff (globals, dmd, etc...) it sets logging.basicConfig and I can't override what gets set
[26-Nov-2009 13:23:43] <rmatte> Ah, I figured it out
[26-Nov-2009 13:23:45] <rmatte> had to add
[26-Nov-2009 13:23:46] <rmatte> for handler in logging.root.handlers[:]:
[26-Nov-2009 13:23:46] <rmatte> logging.root.removeHandler(handler)
[26-Nov-2009 14:54:14] <rmatte> sweet, figured out how to redirect error output to my daemon's logfile
[26-Nov-2009 14:55:29] <rmatte> now I just need to get it properly logging that it's stopping the daemon
[26-Nov-2009 15:09:03] <rmatte> awesome, finally done with the logging
[26-Nov-2009 15:52:10] <rmatte> man it's dead in here today
[26-Nov-2009 15:52:28] <kisielk> Thanksgiving I guess
[26-Nov-2009 15:55:56] <rmatte> ah, forgot about that, canadian thanksgiving isn't at the same time
[26-Nov-2009 15:56:20] <rmatte> ours was October 12th
[26-Nov-2009 16:01:31] <kisielk> yeah, I'm in Canada too :)
[26-Nov-2009 16:09:05] <rmatte> cool
[26-Nov-2009 16:09:39] <rmatte> ah, vancouver
[26-Nov-2009 16:17:33] <troy-> where can i modify the base URL of google maps inside ZenOSS?
[26-Nov-2009 16:37:06] <rmatte> base URL?
[26-Nov-2009 16:37:13] <rmatte> like where it's pulling google maps from?
[26-Nov-2009 16:51:55] <otakup0pe> strange. i'm having parameters in a regexp end up being null, but the regexp still matching
[26-Nov-2009 16:52:23] <otakup0pe> regexp's which are (?P<foo>.+) so there should always be *something* in foo, if the regexp evaludated ?
[26-Nov-2009 16:52:27] <otakup0pe> *evaluated
[26-Nov-2009 17:02:02] <ironpaw> morning rmatte
[26-Nov-2009 17:03:18] <otakup0pe> on a related note, what's an easy way of testing event transforms
[26-Nov-2009 17:04:30] <ironpaw> so yer canadians eh?
[26-Nov-2009 17:04:34] <ironpaw> nice one
[26-Nov-2009 17:04:34] <otakup0pe> i am heh
[26-Nov-2009 17:04:48] <otakup0pe> happy turkey day all you yankees
[26-Nov-2009 17:05:08] <ironpaw> haha
[26-Nov-2009 17:05:20] <ironpaw> ive got a bit of canadian in me
[26-Nov-2009 17:05:26] <ironpaw> (but not at this exact moment)
[26-Nov-2009 17:05:30] <ironpaw> that sounds a bit suss
[26-Nov-2009 17:05:42] <rmatte> lol
[26-Nov-2009 17:05:53] <rmatte> otakup0pe: wait for an event to come in, that's the best way
[26-Nov-2009 17:06:01] <otakup0pe> heh yeah that's what i guessed.
[26-Nov-2009 17:06:17] <otakup0pe> yeah this is wierd. one of the parameters gets parsed fine, the others end up as none
[26-Nov-2009 17:07:47] <otakup0pe> http://pastebin.ca/1688768 only useragent is set
[26-Nov-2009 17:07:55] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Stuff - post number 1688768 (at pastebin.ca)
[26-Nov-2009 17:08:16] <otakup0pe> 99% of url's show up fine
[26-Nov-2009 17:12:03] <rmatte> otakup0pe: http://gskinner.com/RegExr/
[26-Nov-2009 17:12:14] <adytum-bot> Title: RegExr: Online Regular Expression Testing Tool (at gskinner.com)
[26-Nov-2009 17:12:27] <otakup0pe> according to zenoss the regexp works fine
[26-Nov-2009 17:12:30] <otakup0pe> but this is an awesome page thx
[26-Nov-2009 17:12:37] <rmatte> np
[26-Nov-2009 17:14:44] <ironpaw> so where in canaidia are you guys from?
[26-Nov-2009 17:14:51] <otakup0pe> montreal
[26-Nov-2009 17:14:54] <rmatte> Ottawa
[26-Nov-2009 17:15:05] <ironpaw> sweeet
[26-Nov-2009 17:15:25] <ironpaw> my families in welland/st catherines/niagera falls
[26-Nov-2009 17:15:32] <rmatte> cool
[26-Nov-2009 17:15:43] <ironpaw> it would be this time of year wouldn't it?
[26-Nov-2009 17:15:44] <ironpaw> :P
[26-Nov-2009 17:15:49] <ironpaw> snow yet?
[26-Nov-2009 17:16:01] <rmatte> we had 1 snowfall like a month ago, but nothing since
[26-Nov-2009 17:16:07] <rmatte> I'm sure it's just around the corner though
[26-Nov-2009 17:16:32] <ironpaw> hehe
[26-Nov-2009 17:16:37] <ironpaw> bring on the blizzards eh
[26-Nov-2009 17:16:43] <rmatte> yup
[26-Nov-2009 17:16:59] <rmatte> alright well, I've had just about as much coding as I can stand for today so I'm out
[26-Nov-2009 17:17:05] <rmatte> take care folks, I'll be around tomorrow
[26-Nov-2009 17:17:05] <ironpaw> hehe later
[26-Nov-2009 17:18:36] <otakup0pe> oh i think it was just me sucking at regexps. wow that site is sweet.
[26-Nov-2009 17:18:55] <otakup0pe> ever since i've started using python on other projcts my zenoss event transforms are getting kinda silly
[26-Nov-2009 17:19:00] <otakup0pe> need to make the transform textbox bigger ;)
[26-Nov-2009 18:09:54] * kisielk is from Vancouver
[26-Nov-2009 18:10:03] <kisielk> lots of rain here, no snow
[26-Nov-2009 18:10:18] <kisielk> it's been raining for almost 2 weeks now
[26-Nov-2009 18:14:27] <troy-> rmatte: yes, i want to adjust the base URL where data from google maps is called
[26-Nov-2009 18:14:43] <troy-> in order to use a reverse proxy to handle SSL
[26-Nov-2009 18:15:04] <troy-> right now google maps is creating an insecure object on an otherwise secure portal :P
[26-Nov-2009 18:42:07] <troy-> can anyone advice if locationGeoMap.pt & simpleLocationGeoMap are the only two spots?
[26-Nov-2009 21:02:37] <troy-> where can i modify the base URL of google maps?
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[27-Nov-2009 06:26:46] <Dieterbe> hi, every so often i get `Unable to save data for OID` events for localhost (==monitoring machine). but i can't figure out where they come from
[27-Nov-2009 06:28:35] <Dieterbe> here is all info about the event: http://pastebin.ca/1689453
[27-Nov-2009 06:28:43] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Anonymous - post number 1689453 (at pastebin.ca)
[27-Nov-2009 08:17:41] <rmatte> hmmm, I'm seeing a lot of "Unable to read processes on device" events lately
[27-Nov-2009 08:27:58] <chemist> I've checked and re-checked my alerting ruls, but zenoss still insists on sending 2 emails for some events
[27-Nov-2009 08:28:39] <chemist> zenactions log shows the rule being processed and sending one email
[27-Nov-2009 08:28:52] <chemist> but my inbox has 2 of each
[27-Nov-2009 08:47:26] <chemist> is this ever going to be implemented? http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/3693
[27-Nov-2009 09:13:42] <rmatte> chemist: that probably won't get implemented for quite a while
[27-Nov-2009 09:16:23] <chemist> thats a shame
[27-Nov-2009 09:16:34] <chemist> it would be quite a useful feature
[27-Nov-2009 09:18:09] <rmatte> chemist: there's other stuff that I would like to see fixed before that
[27-Nov-2009 09:18:14] <rmatte> chemist: like zenprocess
[27-Nov-2009 09:18:35] <rmatte> chemist: plus there's a lot of time being devoted to the re-design of the UI, so once that's done then they'll be able to focus on other stuff
[27-Nov-2009 09:18:43] <rmatte> reporting is another huge thing I'd like to see improved
[27-Nov-2009 09:19:28] <jrock2004> rmatte: What would you like to see done in reporting?
[27-Nov-2009 09:20:20] <rmatte> jrock2004: it just needs to be improved overall. The system to generate custom reports is a joke, you can only do very very limited stuff with it.
[27-Nov-2009 09:20:37] <jrock2004> That I do agree
[27-Nov-2009 09:20:57] <rmatte> jrock2004: It should keep a cache of reports so if someone requests the exact same report as someone else requested it doesn't go through the whole process of generating a report again, it just loads the cached report
[27-Nov-2009 09:21:03] <chemist> any ideas on my duplicate email problem?
[27-Nov-2009 09:21:07] <rmatte> there are major usability and performance issues with the existing system
[27-Nov-2009 09:21:31] <rmatte> chemist: do the 2 emails come in back to back?
[27-Nov-2009 09:21:36] <chemist> yes
[27-Nov-2009 09:21:43] <rmatte> chemist: so there's no delay between them?
[27-Nov-2009 09:21:48] <chemist> no
[27-Nov-2009 09:21:57] <rmatte> chemist: have you tried restarting Zenoss?
[27-Nov-2009 09:22:02] <chemist> yes
[27-Nov-2009 09:22:18] <chemist> I might try deleting the rule and creating it again
[27-Nov-2009 09:22:20] <rmatte> no idea then, I've never had issues with email alerts in Zenoss
[27-Nov-2009 09:22:50] <jrock2004> I too have never had a duplicate email issue
[27-Nov-2009 09:23:06] <rmatte> unless you have a repeat time set to 1 or something
[27-Nov-2009 09:23:22] <chemist> no, it's set to 0
[27-Nov-2009 09:23:57] <jrock2004> It sounds like your alerting rule got messed up. Do you have multiple users in Zenoss?
[27-Nov-2009 09:24:04] <chemist> yes
[27-Nov-2009 09:24:18] <chemist> but alerts are only set for one user
[27-Nov-2009 09:24:27] <jrock2004> could be someone put in an email address that forwards a copy to your email address
[27-Nov-2009 09:24:33] <jrock2004> ah ok
[27-Nov-2009 09:24:54] <chemist> it's a generic account that emails to a group mailbox
[27-Nov-2009 09:25:19] <jrock2004> rmatte: I would love to see a UI that detects when you are on a mobile device and forms the pages better
[27-Nov-2009 09:26:40] <jrock2004> chemist: hmm.... Does this group mailbox get used for other things? If so do you see duplicates there?
[27-Nov-2009 09:27:56] <chemist> yes, that is where all the dupes are turning up
[27-Nov-2009 09:28:30] <rmatte> jrock2004: not sure if that's going to happen, but maybe
[27-Nov-2009 09:29:08] <rmatte> chemist: what he means is, perhaps the group mailbox is the issue
[27-Nov-2009 09:29:24] <chemist> I'm going to force an event now to check that
[27-Nov-2009 09:29:53] <chemist> but as far as I can make out, it is only happening with one specific rule
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[27-Nov-2009 09:41:02] <rmatte> nice split
[27-Nov-2009 09:41:51] <jrock2004> chemist: Yeah it sounds like the issue might be the group list and not Zenoss
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[27-Nov-2009 10:35:53] <chemist> sorry, was afk
[27-Nov-2009 10:36:11] <jrock2004> its cool
[27-Nov-2009 10:36:12] <chemist> it's only doing it with one rule
[27-Nov-2009 10:36:28] <chemist> I am going to delete it, restart zenoss and create it again
[27-Nov-2009 10:46:03] <chemist> that fixed it
[27-Nov-2009 10:46:26] <chemist> deleting the alerting rule, restart, recreate rule
[27-Nov-2009 12:13:54] <jrock2004> cool
[27-Nov-2009 15:17:52] <rmatte> bigegor: g'day
[27-Nov-2009 15:18:15] <bigegor> rmatte: hey
[27-Nov-2009 15:18:29] <rmatte> bigegor: congrats on becoming a Zenoss Master :)
[27-Nov-2009 15:18:44] <bigegor> thanks
[27-Nov-2009 15:18:53] <rmatte> did you get your jacket yet?
[27-Nov-2009 15:19:05] <bigegor> no
[27-Nov-2009 15:19:17] <rmatte> ah, you'll like it, they are surprisingly nice
[27-Nov-2009 15:20:59] <bigegor> :)
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[28-Nov-2009 07:23:08] <sergeymasushko> hi 2 all. I have a question about 'Production States' according to the manual 'Maintenance - you want monitoring and collection to occur, and maybe or maybe not the device on the dashboard, just not alerting occurring'. I have a device in the 'Maintenance' state. but host UP/DOWN alerts are occurring. Is it a bug, or it is a feature?
[28-Nov-2009 07:37:47] <chemist> sergeymasushko: where are the events occurroing?
[28-Nov-2009 07:38:23] <chemist> in the devices' device console?
[28-Nov-2009 07:38:30] <sergeymasushko> I receive alerts on email
[28-Nov-2009 07:39:48] <chemist> then you need to change your alerting rules
[28-Nov-2009 07:41:03] <sergeymasushko> for what?
[28-Nov-2009 07:41:03] <sergeymasushko> I can do it
[28-Nov-2009 07:41:27] <chemist> I only want to get alerted to eventsin production servers,so I have all my alerting rules set to 'Production State = Production'
[28-Nov-2009 07:42:04] <sergeymasushko> mm, it make sense...
[28-Nov-2009 07:43:49] <chemist> zenoss will still collect info on those devices not in production, but will not alert to any events
[28-Nov-2009 07:44:01] <chemist> but it will still all be there in event history
[28-Nov-2009 07:46:45] <sergeymasushko> it would be enough
[28-Nov-2009 09:04:58] <chemist> I really must learn python
[28-Nov-2009 09:05:15] <chemist> can someone help me with a simple transform?
[28-Nov-2009 09:05:15] <sergeymasushko> :)
[28-Nov-2009 09:08:39] <chemist> I need to drop any events from the component Userenv on a specific machine
[28-Nov-2009 13:18:24] <chemist> anybody out there?
[28-Nov-2009 14:35:47] <chemist> ping
[28-Nov-2009 18:09:31] <troy-> is it possible to modify the production states widget to sort by domain?
[28-Nov-2009 18:09:52] <troy-> err alphabetical & by domain i should say
[28-Nov-2009 21:47:48] <troy-> can anyone tell me the API url in locationGeoMap.pt?
[28-Nov-2009 21:52:11] <troy-> never mind
[28-Nov-2009 21:52:15] <troy-> why is this channel useless?
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[29-Nov-2009 11:08:56] <chemist> troy-_: it's only useless if no one is here, and that is to be expected at the weekend
[29-Nov-2009 11:09:19] <chemist> unless you're working over the weekend, like myself
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[29-Nov-2009 19:06:03] <troy-> is there a guide to setting up vmware esxi snmp traps in zenoss?
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[30-Nov-2009 07:36:23] <TBKDan> I can't start up zenstatus... :-( I keep getting the following error in the zenstatus.log: http://pastebin.com/m59cdb740
[30-Nov-2009 07:36:34] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[30-Nov-2009 07:47:23] <TBKDan> Hrm, apparently a re-index did the trick o.O
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[30-Nov-2009 09:01:49] <jrock2004> Does Zenoss offer any certifications?
[30-Nov-2009 09:19:42] <rmatte> jrock2004: no, not at the moment
[30-Nov-2009 09:19:54] <rmatte> jrock2004: though I wish they did since I could probably breeze through it
[30-Nov-2009 09:19:58] <jrock2004> That would be cool if they did
[30-Nov-2009 09:40:51] <rmatte> yeh
[30-Nov-2009 10:09:46] <jbwjbw> Ryan Matte susgested I join this channe related to my issues trying to import or use MIBs under 2.5.x, I had no issues with loading and using MIBs before 2.5 now the MIBs load but traps not get translated based on the MIBs. I see the MIBs/OIDs are in zenoss after import and I've restarted zentrap and the entire zenoss server. Any ideas?
[30-Nov-2009 10:18:15] <jb> so whats the way to deal with a bloated ibdata?
[30-Nov-2009 10:23:47] <rmatte> hey
[30-Nov-2009 10:24:33] <jbwjbw> Hey
[30-Nov-2009 10:24:37] <rmatte> yeh, I'm off to lunch soon myself
[30-Nov-2009 10:24:50] <jbwjbw> Ya, I just grabbed mine :-)
[30-Nov-2009 10:25:15] <rmatte> ...but first I need to figure out how to use this stupid Microsoft CRM Outlook plugin
[30-Nov-2009 10:25:18] * rmatte tears hair out
[30-Nov-2009 10:25:50] <rmatte> I updated it and restarted then the system memory dumped, so I'm guessing that's not necessarily a good sign
[30-Nov-2009 10:26:13] <jbwjbw> I think it's safe to say that's not a good sign
[30-Nov-2009 10:28:05] <rmatte> hehe
[30-Nov-2009 10:28:28] <rmatte> oh well, it's just a windows VM that I use for E-Mail and managing my ESX boxes, so no big deal if I have to reinstall
[30-Nov-2009 10:28:38] <rmatte> plus then I can get windows 7 on it instead of Vista
[30-Nov-2009 11:13:40] <jbwjbw> Ryan, you back from lunch by chance?
[30-Nov-2009 11:39:04] <Kristopher4> Good Morning all, I need some help figuring out how to add MIBS and create transformers to change the recieved data (e.g. temperature from C to F.) Is there a good FAQ or is someone avail to walk me through this? Thanks a bunch
[30-Nov-2009 11:42:34] <rbd> hey guys...running zenoss core 2.4.1 ... I'm watching some ubuntu boxes (which have NET snmpd on them)... I have an application that we develop running on these boxes, and I'd like it to be able to send out an SNMP trap event to zenoss on certain custom events... can anyone supply some pointers (do I do something with snmptrapd...send a trap message to the snmpd daemon, send it directly to zenoss, etc?)
[30-Nov-2009 11:55:37] <rmatte> rbd: beyond configuring it to send traps to the Zenoss box, you'd need to google for a guide on configuring custom traps
[30-Nov-2009 11:56:12] <rmatte> jbwjbw: sorry, I'm still not quite here yet, working on adding 5 months worth of CRM records
[30-Nov-2009 11:58:00] <kobalt> how was everyones thanksgiving
[30-Nov-2009 11:58:26] <jbwjbw> Good
[30-Nov-2009 11:59:42] <jbwjbw> Trying to remove ZenPacks.community.mib_utils but can't. Trying to make sure it being installed from before 2.5 is not causing my current issues. I can't un-install, any help? Here is the error: Type: NotImplementedError
[30-Nov-2009 11:59:42] <jbwjbw> Value:
[30-Nov-2009 11:59:42] <jbwjbw> Traceback (innermost last): Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 119, in publish Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 42, in call_object Module Products.ZenModel.ZenPackManager, line 194, in manage_removeZenPacks Module Products.ZenUtils.ZenPackCmd, line 800, in RemoveZenPack Module ZenPacks.community.mib_utils, line 36, in remove Module Products.ZenModel.ZenPack, line 291, in remove Module Pr
[30-Nov-2009 12:09:04] <jbwjbw> Never mind about the ZenPack, I figured out how to remove it another way
[30-Nov-2009 12:15:30] <rmatte> jbwjbw: how did you remove it?
[30-Nov-2009 12:16:29] <jbwjbw> I click on the zenpack and below towards the bottom I selected the different items provided by the zenpack, removed those and then I was able to remove the zenpack itself. Not sure if that was the right way to do it but I could not remove it otherwise
[30-Nov-2009 12:19:16] <rmatte> not really, had you not restarted Zenoss after initially installing the pack?
[30-Nov-2009 12:19:54] <jbwjbw> I'm not sure if I restarted it right after but it has been restarted a number of times since it was first installed under 2.4.x
[30-Nov-2009 12:20:03] <rmatte> alright
[30-Nov-2009 12:20:11] <jbwjbw> I think I did re-start it right after to see it work
[30-Nov-2009 12:20:24] <jbwjbw> But it would not un-install under 2.5.1 as is
[30-Nov-2009 12:20:48] <rmatte> I'd install it again, restart Zenoss, and then remove it properly
[30-Nov-2009 12:21:01] <jbwjbw> Ok, let me try that to be safe
[30-Nov-2009 12:21:31] <rmatte> that particular pack may not have been tested with 2.5.1, so it may be broken
[30-Nov-2009 12:21:39] <rmatte> but install it again and see
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:29] <jbwjbw> No handlers could be found for logger "root"
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:30] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 13:21:17,610 INFO zen.ZPLoader: Loading /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.mib_utils-1.08-py2.4.egg/ZenPacks/community/mib_utils/objects/objects.xml
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:30] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 13:21:17,841 ERROR zen.ZPLoader: Error adding pack to /zport/dmd/zenMenus/Mib_list/zenMenuItems/addToZenPack
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:30] <jbwjbw> ObjectNotFound: object /zport/dmd/zenMenus/Mib_list/zenMenuItems/addToZenPack not found on relation ZenPacks.community.mib_utils/packables
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:31] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 13:21:17,863 INFO zen.AddToPack: End loading objects
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:33] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 13:21:17,864 INFO zen.AddToPack: Processing links
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:35] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 13:21:17,986 INFO zen.AddToPack: Loaded 0 objects into the ZODB database
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:37] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 13:21:18,016 INFO zen.HookReportLoader: loading reports from:/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.mib_utils-1.08-py2.4.egg/ZenPacks/community/mib_utils/reports
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:40] <jbwjbw> Done installing ZenPack.
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:42] <jbwjbw> Restarting zenoss now
[30-Nov-2009 12:24:22] <rmatte> by the way, have you tried installing the Mib that you're having problems with from the commandline?
[30-Nov-2009 12:24:28] <rmatte> or have you only installed it via the UI?
[30-Nov-2009 12:25:46] <jbwjbw> I usually try it via the command line where I've done the others from. I tried it from the GUI for the MIB that has just one trap and same thing, just does not match. Old MIBs loaded before I upgraded to 2.5.x still work. Un-installing and re-installing a MIB cases it to stop working.
[30-Nov-2009 12:26:05] <rmatte> strange
[30-Nov-2009 12:26:14] <jbwjbw> Ok, I can't un-install the ZenPack after it was installed
[30-Nov-2009 12:26:35] <rmatte> ok, the pack is probably not compatible with 2.5 then
[30-Nov-2009 12:26:45] <rmatte> I'll mention it to Matt Ray next time he's around
[30-Nov-2009 12:27:05] <jbwjbw> That's what I'm thinking. If I remove all the items under "ZenPack Provides" then I can remove the zenpack
[30-Nov-2009 12:27:17] <rmatte> yeh
[30-Nov-2009 12:27:32] <kobalt> so if I am setting up multiple collectors do they need to be on the same type aka 32bit vs 64bit
[30-Nov-2009 12:27:59] <rmatte> kobalt: doubt it, since all of the components communicate via tcp/ip
[30-Nov-2009 12:28:34] <rmatte> kobalt: so it shouldn't matter if it's 32 or 64
[30-Nov-2009 12:28:38] <jbwjbw> I just don't know if having that zenpack installed in the past and then upgrading to 2.5.x is causing my probem or something else.....
[30-Nov-2009 12:28:50] <kobalt> rmatte: the only thing I worry about is RRD files
[30-Nov-2009 12:29:02] <rmatte> jbwjbw: doubt it, it may be a bug with zenmib that hasn't been caught
[30-Nov-2009 12:29:23] <rmatte> jbwjbw: you'd have to test on a fresh Zenoss install of 2.5.1 to be sure
[30-Nov-2009 12:29:36] <jbwjbw> Do you have a way of removing, re-building a MIB and sending a trap to see if you have the same issue?
[30-Nov-2009 12:29:42] <jbwjbw> That is true
[30-Nov-2009 12:30:02] <rmatte> Our lab is very limited at the moment, so unfortunately, no
[30-Nov-2009 12:30:26] <kobalt> jbwjbw I upgraded from 2.4.3 to 2.5.0 then to 2.5.1 with the zenpack installed and have no issues
[30-Nov-2009 12:30:49] <jbwjbw> Have you installed any new MIBs since going to 2.5.x?
[30-Nov-2009 12:31:02] <jbwjbw> And the traps are getting translated correctly?
[30-Nov-2009 12:31:04] <kobalt> yes
[30-Nov-2009 12:31:06] <kobalt> and yes
[30-Nov-2009 12:31:22] <jbwjbw> Stink, has to be something on my box!
[30-Nov-2009 12:31:55] <jbwjbw> I have lines like this in the zopectl, anyone know what they might mean?
[30-Nov-2009 12:31:56] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30T13:09:16 ERROR Zope.ZCatalog uncatalogObject unsuccessfully attempted to uncatalog an object with a uid of /zport/dmd/Mibs/mibs/XIV-MIB/nodes/xivUtilizationSoft. ------ 2009-11-30T13:09:16 ERROR Zope.ZCatalog uncatalogObject unsuccessfully attempted to uncatalog an object with a uid of /zport/dmd/Mibs/mibs/XIV-MIB/notifications/xivTrap. ------
[30-Nov-2009 12:32:32] <rmatte> jbwjbw: have you done a reindex in zendmd recently?
[30-Nov-2009 12:32:33] <jbwjbw> I belive these come up when I try to remove or install a MIB now
[30-Nov-2009 12:32:49] <jbwjbw> I did, I was so hoping that would fix my issue
[30-Nov-2009 12:33:08] <jbwjbw> I did a reindex, commit, and Ctrl-D
[30-Nov-2009 12:33:10] <rmatte> well, then I'm not sure what the issue is, but you have some issue with your Zope DB apparently
[30-Nov-2009 12:38:10] <jbwjbw> I also removed the deviceAdvDetail zenpack to just to be safe a while back, it seem to install ok but I still get messages about it in the logs, is there some other way to make sure this zenpack is cleanly removed?
[30-Nov-2009 12:39:19] <jbwjbw> Or when running zendmd, for example I get: "2009-11-30 13:38:46 ERROR root ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail>=1.1"
[30-Nov-2009 12:39:23] <jbwjbw> Even though it's been removed
[30-Nov-2009 12:39:50] <rmatte> I'm guessing that doing a new install of Zenoss and migrating everything over to it is not an option?
[30-Nov-2009 12:40:18] <jbwjbw> It took a long time to get the MIBs installed that we use, that would be the biggest pain for me I'm thinking
[30-Nov-2009 12:40:34] <rmatte> jbwjbw: make a ZenPack and add the Mibs to it
[30-Nov-2009 12:40:51] <rmatte> jbwjbw: then just install that ZenPack on the new install and voila, same Mibs
[30-Nov-2009 12:41:10] <rmatte> jbwjbw: that's how we do it here
[30-Nov-2009 12:41:49] <rmatte> bigegor: aloha
[30-Nov-2009 12:41:52] <jbwjbw> The backups I do via the GUI, can I go back to before I upgraded to 2.5.x? I'm guessing not
[30-Nov-2009 12:42:03] <rmatte> jbwjbw: no, you can't
[30-Nov-2009 12:42:13] <rmatte> jbwjbw: they don't behave like snapshots
[30-Nov-2009 12:42:14] <bigegor> rmatte: hey
[30-Nov-2009 12:42:19] <jbwjbw> I figured I should have done a more complete backup
[30-Nov-2009 12:42:32] <rmatte> jbwjbw: is the server running as a VM?
[30-Nov-2009 12:42:51] <jbwjbw> It is but I did not take a snap shot before I upgraded
[30-Nov-2009 12:42:59] <rmatte> yeh, ALWAYS do
[30-Nov-2009 12:43:22] <rmatte> There's no point in running it as a VM and not reaping the benefits of it
[30-Nov-2009 12:43:25] <jbwjbw> I think I did or was going to but the snapshot timed out and I just went ahead with the upgrade any ways, crossing my fingers!
[30-Nov-2009 12:43:44] <jbwjbw> No I could kick myslef
[30-Nov-2009 12:43:46] <rmatte> production system?
[30-Nov-2009 12:43:46] <jbwjbw> Myself
[30-Nov-2009 12:43:56] <jbwjbw> I'm trying to make it a production system
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:06] <rmatte> production system + crossing fingers == EPIC FAIL
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:09] <rmatte> :)
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:12] <jbwjbw> I was going to do some cross training this week for my team
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:18] <rmatte> ah
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:33] <jbwjbw> I should have shutdown the vm and cloned it
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:38] <jbwjbw> too late now
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:40] <rmatte> If I were you I'd just setup a clean install and migrate everything over (while keeping the old one running)
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:50] <rmatte> then when you're satisfied with the new install, kill the old one
[30-Nov-2009 12:45:21] <rmatte> I'll be holding off on upgrading to 2.5 for quite a while
[30-Nov-2009 12:45:38] <rmatte> I already worked my butt off to patch up our 2.4.5 boxes so that they run as expected
[30-Nov-2009 12:45:44] <jbwjbw> If I try and restore the backup made of zenoss, likey what's messed up now will still be messed up after restore correct?
[30-Nov-2009 12:45:45] <rmatte> so I'm in no rush to jump in
[30-Nov-2009 12:46:04] <rmatte> jbwjbw: not necessarily
[30-Nov-2009 12:46:14] <rmatte> jbwjbw: but it's possible, you won't know until you try
[30-Nov-2009 12:46:39] <jbwjbw> I should have stayed away from 2.5.x but I just figured I'd get it as current as possible before going live
[30-Nov-2009 12:46:42] <jbwjbw> Bad idea
[30-Nov-2009 12:47:26] <rmatte> 2.5 still needs work in my opinion
[30-Nov-2009 12:47:49] <jbwjbw> I'd have to agree now that I've been using/playing with it for a bit now
[30-Nov-2009 12:48:20] <rmatte> I'm keeping my eye on it and doing whatever beta testing that I can
[30-Nov-2009 12:48:37] <rmatte> Once I'm fairly satisfied with it's state, then I'll start conducting upgrade tests
[30-Nov-2009 12:50:43] <rmatte> jbwjbw: If you decide to go back to 2.4.5 you may find the following patches to be useful: docs/DOC-4434
[30-Nov-2009 12:50:44] <jbwjbw> We'll I guess I'll try and build another VM and installed a 2.4.5 on it and try and restore a zenbackup before I upgraded to 2.5.x or something.......
[30-Nov-2009 12:50:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Post-2.4.5 Patches (at community.zenoss.org)
[30-Nov-2009 12:50:56] <rmatte> I strongly recommend those patches for 2.4.5
[30-Nov-2009 12:53:01] <jbwjbw> It's just fustrating I can't fix this.... so close and yet so far away
[30-Nov-2009 12:53:35] <jbwjbw> I don't like that somewhere it thinks ZenPack deviceAdvDetail is still installed
[30-Nov-2009 12:53:37] <jbwjbw> ....
[30-Nov-2009 12:54:38] <jbwjbw> I'll try install and remove to see if that will do anything...
[30-Nov-2009 12:59:16] cgibbons_ is now known as cgibbons
[30-Nov-2009 13:00:32] <rmatte> jbwjbw: ummm, actually
[30-Nov-2009 13:00:49] <rmatte> jbwjbw: have you checked in $ZENHOME/ZenPacks to see if there's still a ZenPack directory for the pack?
[30-Nov-2009 13:00:57] <rmatte> if there is, delete it, and that will solve the problem
[30-Nov-2009 13:01:08] <rmatte> same goes for any other ZenPacks that you get messages like that for
[30-Nov-2009 13:18:17] <jbwjbw> Your right there is some stuff in there from that zenpack!
[30-Nov-2009 13:20:20] <rmatte> yup
[30-Nov-2009 13:20:47] <rmatte> you also posted an error message with "(3 conflicts (0 unresolved) since startup at Mon Nov 30 10:35:34 2009)" at the end of it
[30-Nov-2009 13:21:01] <rmatte> that means that there were 3 conflicts but 0 were unresolved (it resolved all of them)
[30-Nov-2009 13:21:04] <rmatte> so that's harmless
[30-Nov-2009 13:21:12] <jbwjbw> Ok, that's good to know
[30-Nov-2009 13:43:33] <jbwjbw> Well all my errors are cleared up but of couse the traps for the MIBs I've imported still are not getting matched/translated... I was hoping once I cleaned up/removed the old zenpacks, things might hve start working.... no such luck
[30-Nov-2009 13:44:26] <rmatte> and if you check zentrap.log what do you see?
[30-Nov-2009 13:44:33] <jbwjbw> I still don't like the ConflictError error but as you say with 0 unresolved it's not a probem
[30-Nov-2009 13:44:46] <rmatte> those conflicterrors are common
[30-Nov-2009 13:44:57] <rmatte> it's nothing to worry about as long as it shows 0 unresolved
[30-Nov-2009 13:46:28] <jbwjbw> There is a bunch of stuff as I have debug turned on for zentrap. Here is the first part from the trap coming in:
[30-Nov-2009 13:47:19] <jbwjbw> Here is a few more lines
[30-Nov-2009 13:47:20] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 14:40:36,114 DEBUG zen.ZenTrap: snmp trap enterprises.2021.77.1.2.0.1
[30-Nov-2009 13:47:20] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 14:40:36,115 DEBUG zen.ZenTrap: Queueing event {'enterprises.2021.77.1.3.1.1.1': 435, 'enterprises.2021.77.1.3.1.1.2': 'USER_LOGIN_SUCCEEDED', 'enterprises.2021.77.1.3.1.1.3': '2009-11-30 14:40:33', 'enterprises.2021.77.1.3.1.1.4': "User 'jwilloughby' successfully logged into the system.", 'enterprises.2021.77.1.3.1.1.5': 0, 'enterprises.2021.77.1.3.1.1.6': '', 'eventClassKey': 'enterprises.2021.77.1.2.0.1', 'oid': '1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.77.1.3.1.1.6',
[30-Nov-2009 13:47:46] <jbwjbw> It seems to just not translate the trap and shows it as just "enterprises.2021.77.1.2.0.1"
[30-Nov-2009 13:47:51] <jbwjbw> But the OID is in zenoss
[30-Nov-2009 13:49:02] <jbwjbw> It's so odd and thus far non-obvious
[30-Nov-2009 13:49:31] <rmatte> now that the zenmib pack is uninstalled, try removing the Mib and re-adding it
[30-Nov-2009 13:49:38] <rmatte> (from the command line)
[30-Nov-2009 13:50:32] <jbwjbw> What's the command line for removing the mib? I've always installed them via the command line but removed them via the GUI
[30-Nov-2009 13:51:01] <rmatte> no, remove it from the UI
[30-Nov-2009 13:51:06] <rmatte> install it via commandline
[30-Nov-2009 13:51:23] <jbwjbw> ok, that's what I usually do, I'll give it another try
[30-Nov-2009 13:51:27] <rmatte> k
[30-Nov-2009 13:51:39] <rmatte> add -v10 when you install it
[30-Nov-2009 13:52:03] <rmatte> so that you get more info while it's installing, maybe it's throwing some error that you weren't seeing
[30-Nov-2009 13:52:36] <rmatte> zenmib run -v10 <mib file>
[30-Nov-2009 13:55:52] <jbwjbw> I get disconnected from this IRC when I post a number of lines, not sure the last one that was posted before it disconnected me
[30-Nov-2009 13:56:36] <jbwjbw> I'm not sure if those parse messages could be causing any problems. It seems to load the MIB and it shows up in the UI
[30-Nov-2009 14:18:46] <jbwjbw> rmatte: what version of smidump are you running on your non 2.5.x zenoss box?
[30-Nov-2009 14:18:47] <jbwjbw> smidump --version
[30-Nov-2009 14:18:53] <jbwjbw> Mine is 0.4.8
[30-Nov-2009 14:19:03] <jbwjbw> Just wondering if that was updated with 2.5.x
[30-Nov-2009 14:22:09] <kobalt> so before I pull the rest of my hair out why would I have snmp ping down events for devices I can click on the name and then click run command>ping and it pings just fine?
[30-Nov-2009 14:22:43] <bsteele> Hello - Are you guys aware of any problems with Zenoss 2.5.1 and VSphere 4.0/VMWare Infrastructures? We are getting a lot of heartbeat errors.
[30-Nov-2009 14:23:04] <bsteele> And are unable to add another
[30-Nov-2009 14:27:20] <wildcard0> aside from zenoss, vmware is really time sensitive. do you have ntp running on those boxes?
[30-Nov-2009 14:27:24] <wildcard0> the guests
[30-Nov-2009 14:30:48] <devnet> bsteele: on most of our vmware boxes we have an atomic clock updater so that it clock creep doesn't occur
[30-Nov-2009 14:31:20] <devnet> bsteele: otherwise, applications that run on there that are timestamped (an application database for example) will be desynched
[30-Nov-2009 14:34:00] <kobalt> ok so im trying to setup this distributed collector, question does the distributed collecter need to have the same access as the main server, even if it is not going to be doing collecting from the devices that it does not have access to?
[30-Nov-2009 14:36:35] <rmatte> jbwjbw: if you need to post stuff use pastebin.com
[30-Nov-2009 14:36:42] <rmatte> jbwjbw: don't paste it in to the channel
[30-Nov-2009 14:36:53] * devnet prefers http://slexy.org
[30-Nov-2009 14:37:03] <devnet> excellent pastebin :D
[30-Nov-2009 14:37:08] <devnet> my buddy wrote it :D
[30-Nov-2009 14:37:38] <rmatte> smidump 0.4.8
[30-Nov-2009 14:38:12] <rmatte> kobalt: check zenping.log
[30-Nov-2009 14:38:27] <rmatte> kobalt: zenoss does not ping devices using the "ping" commandline command
[30-Nov-2009 14:39:47] <rmatte> kobalt: not sure I understand your question about the collector, it needs to have the same access as any other collector
[30-Nov-2009 14:39:52] <rmatte> kobalt: then you assign devices to it
[30-Nov-2009 14:39:55] <kobalt> zenping.log only shows a handfull of devices down, which are down
[30-Nov-2009 14:40:17] <rmatte> kobalt: do zenping run -v10 and look for errors (I'm betting you'll see some)
[30-Nov-2009 14:40:19] <kobalt> so if I bring up my 2nd server following docs/DOC-2496
[30-Nov-2009 14:40:26] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - How to install distributed collectors (at community.zenoss.org)
[30-Nov-2009 14:40:52] <kobalt> so when I brought up the 2nd server after doing the configs listed in that doc
[30-Nov-2009 14:41:23] <rmatte> brb
[30-Nov-2009 14:41:25] <kobalt> I started getting cant ping nodes... I shut that server down (zenoss stop on it) and it stops
[30-Nov-2009 14:42:54] <rmatte> does it give a reason why it can't ping them?
[30-Nov-2009 14:43:33] <kobalt> the 2nd server cant reach the network, but it has no devices assigned to it (as a collector) so it shouldnt try to ping
[30-Nov-2009 14:43:57] <rmatte> true
[30-Nov-2009 14:44:14] <rmatte> how did you create the collector though?
[30-Nov-2009 14:44:17] <rmatte> did you do it from scratch?
[30-Nov-2009 14:44:21] <rmatte> or is it just a clone?
[30-Nov-2009 14:44:46] <kobalt> I followed the directions in the document I posted
[30-Nov-2009 14:45:10] <kobalt> so aka install core on 2nd machine edit the files etc
[30-Nov-2009 14:45:11] <rmatte> yeh I know, I'm asking you how you installed Zenoss
[30-Nov-2009 14:45:17] <rmatte> ok
[30-Nov-2009 14:45:18] <kobalt> oh RPM
[30-Nov-2009 14:45:21] <rmatte> so it was a fresh install
[30-Nov-2009 14:45:23] <kobalt> fresh install
[30-Nov-2009 14:45:46] <rmatte> honestly I'm not sure, I never got far with distributed collectors...
[30-Nov-2009 14:46:02] <rmatte> you'll have to fool around with it, it's not officially supported in Core
[30-Nov-2009 14:46:42] <kobalt> I am assuming it has to have the same access from what I just got
[30-Nov-2009 14:46:55] <kobalt> which is a little of a pain
[30-Nov-2009 14:47:04] <rmatte> I guess it does
[30-Nov-2009 14:47:09] <rmatte> no idea why
[30-Nov-2009 14:48:01] <kobalt> unless its step 2.4
[30-Nov-2009 14:48:49] <rmatte> step 2.4 is just to tell it to use the remote host as the hub instead of zenhub, but run the rest of the daemons locally
[30-Nov-2009 14:53:58] <jb> is there a script that cleans up the events databasE?
[30-Nov-2009 14:55:25] <rmatte> jb: I would imagine that it doesn't clean itself up
[30-Nov-2009 14:55:41] <jb> yeah.. i have a 20GB ibdata1 now
[30-Nov-2009 14:56:05] <rmatte> do you not have your events db set to auto-clear after 365 days?
[30-Nov-2009 14:56:19] <rmatte> well, auto-delete events older than 365 days rather
[30-Nov-2009 14:56:34] <jb> i thought that was default..
[30-Nov-2009 14:56:37] <jb> i'll check..
[30-Nov-2009 14:56:38] <rmatte> it is
[30-Nov-2009 14:56:39] <jb> digging around the DB now
[30-Nov-2009 14:57:06] <rmatte> if your ibdata1 is that big and you have that set then you just have an assload of events in there younger than 365 days
[30-Nov-2009 14:57:15] <rmatte> which means you need to tune
[30-Nov-2009 15:16:52] <jbwjbw> rmatte: I may have a snapshot before the 2.5 upgrade. I thought it failed but it looks like it may have worked....
[30-Nov-2009 15:17:22] <rmatte> cool
[30-Nov-2009 15:17:47] <bsteele> btw, devnet and wildcard0 -- I will look into the time issues. I'm sorry for the delay, I got called to look at something. Thanks for your replies
[30-Nov-2009 15:20:37] <rmatte> does anyone know of anything better than xming for forwarding X window sessions to windows?
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:07] <rmatte> (something braindead simple to use preferably, not going to have rocket scientists using it)
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:22] <jb> exceed..
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:24] <jb> but its not free
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:30] * jb uses xming.. it crashes every now and then
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:31] <wildcard0> cygwin and X?
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:45] <rmatte> yeh, hummingbird, we used to use that but we don't have licences anymore
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:58] <rmatte> cygwin is not simple to us
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:59] <rmatte> use*
[30-Nov-2009 15:22:04] <jb> yeah screw that :)
[30-Nov-2009 15:22:11] <wildcard0> heh
[30-Nov-2009 15:22:19] <wildcard0> i kinda like it for when i have to use windows
[30-Nov-2009 15:22:38] <rmatte> basically the issue is this...
[30-Nov-2009 15:22:44] <rmatte> on a linux box I can do: ssh -c arcfour,blowfish-cbc -YC
[30-Nov-2009 15:22:49] <rmatte> to connect and forward X
[30-Nov-2009 15:22:56] <rmatte> and it's SCREAMING fast with those options
[30-Nov-2009 15:23:09] <rmatte> but I want to achieve similar results on Windows
[30-Nov-2009 15:23:59] <wildcard0> something vnc like? like freenx?
[30-Nov-2009 15:24:12] <wildcard0> i know it's not the same, but it's similar kinda
[30-Nov-2009 15:24:21] <bsteele> We upgraded to 2.5.1. We have updated the core zen packs but are looking into how to update the Enterprise packs. Our guy who did Zenoss recently left so we are trying to pick up the pieces and continue on so please excuse some of my questions if they are awful newbie-like =
[30-Nov-2009 15:24:49] <mrayzenoss> bsteele: Support should be able to help you out
[30-Nov-2009 15:25:07] <bsteele> We have his login information and have done a password recovery on his account, honestly I am just trying to find where to download =)
[30-Nov-2009 15:26:28] <bsteele> I will rummage through support, though. Surely it's not rocket science. Thanks
[30-Nov-2009 15:27:05] <rmatte> wildcard0: nah, that won't work, we're basically forwarding an rdp client directly from the Zenoss servers to the desktops
[30-Nov-2009 15:27:15] <rmatte> wildcard0: so it has to be X11 forwarding
[30-Nov-2009 15:27:19] <wildcard0> ah suck
[30-Nov-2009 15:27:29] <rmatte> wildcard0: we don't want to be doing a full desktop session or anything
[30-Nov-2009 15:27:49] * wildcard0 nods
[30-Nov-2009 15:28:45] <rmatte> If it were my decision all our front line guys would have Linux desktops and that would be the end of it
[30-Nov-2009 15:29:23] <rmatte> Unfortunately their manager wants them all to have Windows
[30-Nov-2009 15:32:19] <kobalt> I would move all our guys to linux if it was not for java issues aka the versions we run for some applications wont work in linux
[30-Nov-2009 15:33:07] <rmatte> kobalt: ah, that wouldn't be an issue for us, the only thing that wouldn't work in Linux is Microsoft CRM, but we could do workarounds for that
[30-Nov-2009 15:34:02] <kobalt> yeah we have 2 applications that require java 1.3 and wont work with anything higher, I could try to wine it but they are slow enough as is
[30-Nov-2009 15:34:17] <rmatte> yeah
[30-Nov-2009 15:34:45] <rmatte> I'd probably just include a windows VM prebuilt on the Linux image
[30-Nov-2009 15:34:56] <jbwjbw> rmatte: 2.4.5 works no problem. Loaded the MIB and it works fine. I guess I'm staying with 2.4.5 for now and I'll have to do more testing with 2.5.x down the road to see if whatever bug I ran into is fixed... Now I just have to boot up the 2.5.1 VM and pull off what I've done on it since I upgraded to 2.5.x so I can do the same thing now to my 2.4.5 over the last few weeks
[30-Nov-2009 15:34:58] <rmatte> that way they have Linux but they also have Windows if they need it
[30-Nov-2009 15:35:30] <rmatte> jbwjbw: please do do more testing, if it is actually a bug it would be nice to catch it early on
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:07] <devnet> devnet
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:14] <rmatte> rmatte
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:18] <devnet> wow, that was funny
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:27] <jbwjbw> Ya, as there were really no errors I just don't know how to catch it really.
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:29] <rmatte> :P
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:30] <devnet> control-f didn't find
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:33] <devnet> :/
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:44] <jbwjbw> It just did not work for new MIBs loaded
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:44] <rmatte> jbwjbw: not so much catch as duplicate with a fresh install
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:51] <jbwjbw> Right
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:59] <rmatte> jbwjbw: If you're able to duplicate the issues with a fresh install then it's obviously a bug
[30-Nov-2009 15:37:04] <jbwjbw> If/when I get to that point I will.
[30-Nov-2009 15:37:46] <rmatte> devnet: I'm used to pressing ctrl-w in nano, problem is that that's a hotkey to close firefox, and I end up pressing that instead of ctrl-f sometimes.
[30-Nov-2009 15:37:57] <jbwjbw> It could still be a bug but a bug caused by the way something is configured or installed before 2.5.x I'm guessing and now maybe a combination of things is just causing it not to work
[30-Nov-2009 15:38:28] <devnet> well control-w doesn't work here
[30-Nov-2009 15:38:34] <devnet> makes me leave the channel
[30-Nov-2009 15:38:34] <rmatte> jbwjbw: true
[30-Nov-2009 15:38:44] <devnet> in vi, find is just /
[30-Nov-2009 15:38:55] <rmatte> devnet: yeh same as in more or less
[30-Nov-2009 15:39:03] <rmatte> devnet: or man
[30-Nov-2009 15:39:12] <devnet> smuxi is the client I'm using
[30-Nov-2009 15:39:14] * devnet shrugs
[30-Nov-2009 15:39:32] <rmatte> devnet: I use bitchx
[30-Nov-2009 15:39:53] <devnet> I remember bitchx lol been a while since i ran that
[30-Nov-2009 15:40:08] <rmatte> osiri s-1c/ bitch x-1.1-final
[30-Nov-2009 15:40:13] <rmatte> with osiris script
[30-Nov-2009 15:40:38] <rmatte> hmmmm, smuxi looks quite decent
[30-Nov-2009 15:41:37] <rmatte> I prefer cli irc clients though
[30-Nov-2009 15:41:48] <rmatte> since I can keep them in a screen session and pull them up wherever I need them
[30-Nov-2009 15:46:14] <devnet> rmatte: suxi can operate off a core and detach re-attach
[30-Nov-2009 15:46:25] <devnet> smuxi
[30-Nov-2009 15:46:28] <devnet> lol
[30-Nov-2009 15:46:29] <rmatte> ah, cool
[30-Nov-2009 15:46:32] * devnet hands himself an m
[30-Nov-2009 15:46:45] <rmatte> too much effort though, I already have an ssh client wherever I go
[30-Nov-2009 16:06:05] <rbd> hey guys...trying to send an event to zenoss via the xenhub XML-RPC interface...I can get the event to the server but I get a 401 unauthorized error...I have the user in the system, but I'm not sure what permissions I need to give him so that he can submit these events
[30-Nov-2009 16:10:44] <rmatte> rbd: it needs Manager access
[30-Nov-2009 16:11:30] cgibbons_ is now known as cgibbons
[30-Nov-2009 16:18:49] <chemist> evening
[30-Nov-2009 16:19:11] <rmatte> g'evining
[30-Nov-2009 16:19:40] <chemist> where do I tell zenoss to clear an event when it is no longer an issue?
[30-Nov-2009 16:19:45] <chemist> I'll explain
[30-Nov-2009 16:20:16] <chemist> sometimes zeneventlog fails to read the WMI log on some devices
[30-Nov-2009 16:20:34] <chemist> it only fails one or twice and then carries on reading
[30-Nov-2009 16:20:54] <wildcard0> chemist: you can select the error and tell it to 'move to history'
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:03] <chemist> but the event stays there until I clear it
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:06] <wildcard0> that will clear it from the current console but allow it to be archived
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:11] <rmatte> wildcard0: he's talking about automation
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:17] <wildcard0> ah ok
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:18] <chemist> thanks rmatte
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:19] <wildcard0> nevermind then
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:20] <chemist> :)
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:45] <rmatte> chemist: that's odd since I could have swore that Zenoss had built in clearing for those events
[30-Nov-2009 16:23:22] <rbd> rmatte, thanks.
[30-Nov-2009 16:23:36] <rmatte> rbd: np
[30-Nov-2009 16:24:05] <rbd> I've done that and I can successfully create the event...however it is showing up at the Info (2) severity, even though I specify 'severity': 4 (just like with docs/DOC-3791) ....any ideas?
[30-Nov-2009 16:24:11] <rmatte> chemist: the problem is that without another clear event coming in, there's no real way to automate moving it to history
[30-Nov-2009 16:24:13] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 5.2 2 Sending an Event (at community.zenoss.org)
[30-Nov-2009 16:24:52] <rmatte> rbd: pastebin the code
[30-Nov-2009 16:25:20] <chemist> I guess I will have to downgrade the event to warning or info then
[30-Nov-2009 16:26:06] <rbd> rmatte, http://pastebin.com/d1375347a
[30-Nov-2009 16:26:16] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[30-Nov-2009 16:27:26] <rmatte> rbd: you have spaces between the : and the values for message and severity
[30-Nov-2009 16:27:33] <rmatte> but there are no spaces in the example
[30-Nov-2009 16:28:03] <rmatte> rbd: stick to the syntax for starters
[30-Nov-2009 16:30:36] <rmatte> rbd: you're defining a list, so I'd imagine those spaces are throwing it off
[30-Nov-2009 16:31:35] <rmatte> well, technically defining a dictionary
[30-Nov-2009 16:35:49] <rmatte> but yeh, remove the spaces and I'll be it'll work
[30-Nov-2009 16:36:11] <cgibbons> mmm acquisition, such gamey meat
[30-Nov-2009 16:36:55] <rbd> rmatte, that shouldn't matter in python...but I changed it anyway. I think the problem is that the 'castdaemon' component isn't recognized...I switched the component to 'eth0' and it worked....looking at how to add a custom component....
[30-Nov-2009 16:39:29] <rbd> hmm...is it possible to add a custom component through the web interface?
[30-Nov-2009 16:43:41] <rbd> actually, changing the eventClass to /Unknown fixed it
[30-Nov-2009 16:44:55] <rmatte> rbd: there is no such thing as a "custom component", the component field is essentially a free text field
[30-Nov-2009 16:45:09] <rmatte> rbd: Zenoss uses it for some stuff depending on the type of event, but you can set it to anything
[30-Nov-2009 16:49:35] <rmatte> Does the event class that you were trying to use previously even exist?
[30-Nov-2009 16:49:44] <rmatte> and if so, were you using the correct case?
[30-Nov-2009 16:51:14] <rbd> rmatte, I thought so, but I will double check.... so now I have the event acutally showing up in the event console properly... however, it doesn't show up in the dashboard under Device Issues, nor does my custom alert fire (I have a custom alert that will send an email when it gets an event of Error priority)
[30-Nov-2009 16:52:11] <rbd> acutally that may be because I don't have the Location field filled out
[30-Nov-2009 16:52:13] <rbd> one sec...
[30-Nov-2009 16:52:48] <kobalt> is there a way via the zenping.conf to tell zenping to ignore certian devices?
[30-Nov-2009 16:53:19] <rmatte> rbd: the event needs to meet every requirement of your alert
[30-Nov-2009 16:53:41] <rmatte> kobalt: no
[30-Nov-2009 16:54:16] <rmatte> kobalt: it shouldn't even be trying to ping those devices though technically, no idea why it is
[30-Nov-2009 16:54:19] <rmatte> you'd have to ask a dev
[30-Nov-2009 16:54:32] * kobalt looks at mrayzenoss
[30-Nov-2009 16:54:39] <rmatte> mrayzenoss is not a dev
[30-Nov-2009 16:54:48] <kobalt> but he knows them! lol
[30-Nov-2009 16:54:54] <rmatte> lol
[30-Nov-2009 16:54:55] <kobalt> dont see any others here
[30-Nov-2009 16:55:05] <rmatte> anyone with an @ next to their name
[30-Nov-2009 16:55:21] <rmatte> (except for Matt)
[30-Nov-2009 16:56:13] <kobalt> so I set the server to be the main in step 2.5 ( docs/DOC-2496 ) and I think that is where its getting the list to ping
[30-Nov-2009 16:56:20] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - How to install distributed collectors (at community.zenoss.org)
[30-Nov-2009 16:56:44] <rmatte> kobalt: it shouldn't ping anything unless it's specifically assigned to that collector\
[30-Nov-2009 16:56:57] <rmatte> kobalt: try assigning a device to that collector
[30-Nov-2009 16:57:06] <kobalt> rmatte: I did
[30-Nov-2009 16:57:08] <kobalt> same thing
[30-Nov-2009 16:57:31] <rmatte> kobalt: there has to be something that you're missing, search for other guides, I'm pretty sure there are some others kicking around
[30-Nov-2009 16:58:14] <kobalt> wish I could find http://forums.zenoss.com/viewtopic.php?t=7907
[30-Nov-2009 16:58:37] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Question about Zenoss collectors /... (at forums.zenoss.com)
[30-Nov-2009 16:58:56] <mrayzenoss> we fixed that, it redirects now
[30-Nov-2009 16:59:07] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: that link doesn't, actually
[30-Nov-2009 16:59:10] <mrayzenoss> thread/7501
[30-Nov-2009 16:59:16] <rmatte> but I typed the name in to the search and got: docs/DOC-2497
[30-Nov-2009 16:59:17] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Question about Zenoss collectors /... (at community.zenoss.org)
[30-Nov-2009 16:59:24] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Setting up multiple zenperfsnmp collectors across different hosts (at community.zenoss.org)
[30-Nov-2009 16:59:56] <mrayzenoss> here are the 2 linked ones I know of: http://delicious.com/mray/collectors
[30-Nov-2009 17:00:06] <adytum-bot> Title: mray's collectors Bookmarks on Delicious (at delicious.com)
[30-Nov-2009 17:00:06] <mrayzenoss> feel free to update them accordingly
[30-Nov-2009 17:01:28] <rbd> rmatte, thanks for you help, it's working properly now once I added those fields
[30-Nov-2009 17:02:59] <rmatte> rbd: no problem
[30-Nov-2009 17:04:17] <rmatte> eugh, I've got a huge stomach ache, finally time to go home, talk to you guys later
[30-Nov-2009 17:11:25] <mrayzenoss> blogs/zenossblog/2009/11/30/changes-to-the-zenoss-ticket-system
[30-Nov-2009 17:11:42] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Zenoss Blog: No Node Left Behind: Changes to the Zenoss Ticket System (at community.zenoss.org)
[30-Nov-2009 17:23:56] <kobalt> rmatte: looks like I found it had a typo in the zenping.conf
[30-Nov-2009 17:39:17] <mrayzenoss> New Dell SNMP Event Transforms ZenPack: docs/DOC-4537/
[30-Nov-2009 17:39:24] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Dell SNMP Event Transforms (at community.zenoss.org)
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[01-Nov-2009 02:07:50] <davetoo> wtf
[01-Nov-2009 02:08:11] <davetoo> how can an object have two properties of the same name?
[01-Nov-2009 02:15:43] <Skaag> davetoo: bug
[01-Nov-2009 02:18:29] <davetoo> yeah
[01-Nov-2009 02:18:48] <davetoo> it's not a python property, which is what boggled me
[01-Nov-2009 02:19:09] <davetoo> zope "property", which is an element of a tuple
[01-Nov-2009 02:19:15] <davetoo> now the question is how to get rid of it :)
[01-Nov-2009 02:20:13] <davetoo> fixing a bug in the transform on /Events/Perf/Filesystem/manage. Divide-by-zero error if the modeler reports 0 for a filesystem's totalBytes. There are two identical copies of the same transform there.
[01-Nov-2009 02:20:27] <davetoo> It comes from the install xml.
[01-Nov-2009 02:27:17] <davetoo> bloody....
[01-Nov-2009 02:27:31] <davetoo> the property is already defined in a mixin that they use,
[01-Nov-2009 02:27:46] <davetoo> class EventClassPropertyMixin(object):
[01-Nov-2009 02:28:03] <davetoo> asdf
[01-Nov-2009 02:28:04] <davetoo> hmm
[01-Nov-2009 02:28:32] <davetoo> _properties = (
[01-Nov-2009 02:28:32] <davetoo> {'id':'transform', 'type':'text', 'mode':'w'},
[01-Nov-2009 02:28:51] <davetoo> and then... in EventClass
[01-Nov-2009 02:29:06] <davetoo> :: _properties = Organizer._properties + \
[01-Nov-2009 02:29:06] <davetoo> EventClassPropertyMixin._properties + \
[01-Nov-2009 02:29:06] <davetoo> ({'id':'transform', 'type':'text', 'mode':'w'},)
[01-Nov-2009 02:29:20] <davetoo> D'oh!!!
[01-Nov-2009 02:33:50] <davetoo> fixed it :)
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[01-Nov-2009 11:35:24] <skipzoid> afternoon !! ppl
[01-Nov-2009 11:39:47] <skipzoid> i have an hp procurve switch that reports when a port goes on or offline, the trap is sent and logged as in summery - snmp trap hpswitch1600.2 when I access the details it says ports: port 12 is now off-line - I'd like it to say this at the summery level and not require digging for - i'm assuming i need to create an event mapping ? and in translate put something like evt.summery = ?? any guidence please?
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[01-Nov-2009 14:11:51] <davetoo1> hmm
[01-Nov-2009 15:28:05] <Diddi> Is it possible to have zenoss e-mail me a summaryreport with all events <= warning at the end of each month, or something similar?
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[01-Nov-2009 18:26:06] <davetoo1> hmm
[01-Nov-2009 18:26:18] <davetoo1> how can I change the column widths in the portal layout
[01-Nov-2009 18:26:29] <davetoo1> the asymmetrical ones are *too* asymmetrical
[01-Nov-2009 18:26:57] <davetoo1> I want something closer to 60%/40%, not what appears to be 75/25
[01-Nov-2009 18:27:57] * davetoo1 goes rooting through the .js files
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[01-Nov-2009 20:50:37] <wdw> Hi all! just tried zenoss, completely blown away, and now temporarily overwhelmed by functionality despite reading the quick-start guide.. so hanging out in case I need to tap the collective wisdom in case my RFTM'ing fails
[01-Nov-2009 20:50:39] <wdw> :)
[01-Nov-2009 22:45:56] <davetoo1> it's kind of deep
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[02-Nov-2009 00:21:10] <wdw> I'm having trouble finding information on how to affect how often zenoss should perform a check.. it seems ot be doing it once every ~3 minutes (?).. googling and reading the manual isn't coming up with anything, although this is probably becuse i haven't thought of the right language yet.. 'zenoss check resolution' and 'zenoss check schedule' and whatnot seem to bring up nothing useful.
[02-Nov-2009 00:24:43] <davetoo> depends on the daemon
[02-Nov-2009 00:24:54] <davetoo> anything that writes to the rrd files defaults to five minutes
[02-Nov-2009 00:24:58] <davetoo> zenperfsnmp, zencommand,
[02-Nov-2009 00:25:00] <davetoo> some others
[02-Nov-2009 00:25:07] <davetoo> the ping check is every minute
[02-Nov-2009 00:25:45] <davetoo> zport/dmd/Monitors/Performance/localhost
[02-Nov-2009 00:25:45] <wdw> aah.. okay, that gives me a ton to google against and read up on to compare & contrast - thanks!
[02-Nov-2009 00:25:53] <davetoo> is where most of those things are set
[02-Nov-2009 00:26:09] <davetoo> Don't try changing the intervals yet :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:26:25] <davetoo> Not until you've had a stable system for three months; then you'll understand the interactions
[02-Nov-2009 00:26:39] <davetoo> unless you're already an rrdtool guru :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:29:35] <wdw> at this point its strictly look-but-dont-touch :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:31:57] <wdw> I'm just trying to understand the basics, and my 3 things have been.. 1) 'boy, they should make it more obvious that the left-panel-dropdown-icon contains 99% of the functionality', 2) I'd better get a lot friendlier with SMNP, and 3) This is awfully cool
[02-Nov-2009 00:43:46] <davetoo> Finding the correct tab to click/link to follow is ... not very intuitive,
[02-Nov-2009 00:44:25] <wdw> yeah.. but once you get your head around the basic organizational idea.. it does start to make sense
[02-Nov-2009 00:44:34] <davetoo> but with such a large number of knobs to turn I don't know how else I'd do it :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:44:49] <wdw> yep exactly so
[02-Nov-2009 00:45:07] <davetoo> It would be great if somebody could come up with a poster that traces out all of the menu trees
[02-Nov-2009 00:46:21] <davetoo> yes, you'll need to know how to install/upgrade/configure snmpd on the monitored systems, and you'll probably want to use the snmp command-line tools for troubleshooting
[02-Nov-2009 00:46:33] <wdw> it seems that zenoss.com is set to disallow google caching, which would be fine, but a lot of the links are broken, which is kind of a double-whammy.. I can see tantalizing snippets but not the answer hehehe
[02-Nov-2009 00:46:36] <davetoo> python knowledge helps too, at almost every level
[02-Nov-2009 00:46:53] <davetoo> oh, they just switched software
[02-Nov-2009 00:47:02] <davetoo> and a lot of links are broken now,yes
[02-Nov-2009 00:47:31] <davetoo> Most of the stuff related to the Core (free/oss) product moved to a new framework
[02-Nov-2009 00:47:43] <wdw> as far as python goes.. I'm not really a python guy, but so far I've managed to get the zeneventmanager to call a custom python script I hacked together which IM's me via XMPP, so currently i'm feeling pretty good ;)
[02-Nov-2009 00:47:50] <davetoo> community/forums
[02-Nov-2009 00:48:04] <davetoo> heh
[02-Nov-2009 00:48:24] <davetoo> well you didn't need to hack that, probably,
[02-Nov-2009 00:48:49] <wdw> probably so, but after the first hour of trying to get xmppbot to play ball, i said 'screw it' and dove in
[02-Nov-2009 00:49:27] <davetoo> there is a feature called "event command", which when an event falls into that bucket via a mapping or a transform, zenoss can pipe those to a shell command, Runs once per minute.
[02-Nov-2009 00:49:50] <davetoo> so anything that could take your event on stdin and send the xmpp, would do the trick.
[02-Nov-2009 00:50:09] <wdw> ah, another thing to look up and read though :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:50:16] <wdw> It'll take me some time to de-nagios-ify my approach to everything
[02-Nov-2009 00:50:48] <davetoo> but figuring out the event system well enough to route the events into that class would probably have taken more time than what you did :) Once you figure event commands out you may want to back out the change you made.
[02-Nov-2009 00:51:46] <davetoo> pooh
[02-Nov-2009 00:51:48] <davetoo> erm, poo
[02-Nov-2009 00:51:55] <davetoo> I should be in baltimore
[02-Nov-2009 00:52:13] <davetoo> no time/money this year, though.
[02-Nov-2009 00:52:24] <wdw> family halloween?
[02-Nov-2009 00:52:36] <davetoo> In baltimore? USENIX/LISA
[02-Nov-2009 00:53:09] <wdw> oh
[02-Nov-2009 00:53:40] <wdw> other side of the pond.. so I'm not cognizant of the regional/national events
[02-Nov-2009 00:53:59] <davetoo> ah, sorry,
[02-Nov-2009 00:54:22] <davetoo> yes, I'm a few miles away from San Francisco
[02-Nov-2009 00:54:56] <wdw> no need to apologize.. my geek-pride just knee-jerked when I realized I'd missed something pretty obvious :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:57:33] <davetoo> I'm about to go to bed, though; I've burned my brain out. We're going live this week with a Zenoss Enterprise system.
[02-Nov-2009 00:57:37] <davetoo> Lots to do :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:57:44] <wdw> :)
[02-Nov-2009 00:57:49] <wdw> thank you for all the hints & help
[02-Nov-2009 00:57:53] <wdw> much appreciated
[02-Nov-2009 00:58:07] <davetoo> aye
[02-Nov-2009 00:58:10] <davetoo> good night
[02-Nov-2009 07:18:35] <Troubadix09> hello all
[02-Nov-2009 08:39:57] <Guest52705> hello
[02-Nov-2009 08:40:05] <mrayzenoss> morning
[02-Nov-2009 08:41:15] <swarog> hey, is it possible to upgrade to 2.5 core?
[02-Nov-2009 08:41:32] <swarog> i have the previous version
[02-Nov-2009 08:41:32] <mdereus> from what?
[02-Nov-2009 08:41:33] <mrayzenoss> yes, 2.5 is now available. The Installation Guide covers upgrades
[02-Nov-2009 08:41:37] <mdereus> 2.4.5?
[02-Nov-2009 08:41:59] <mdereus> I'm a Zenoss noob, the upgrade was painless.
[02-Nov-2009 08:42:05] <swarog> 2.4.5 yes
[02-Nov-2009 08:42:14] <swarog> well, ill read the docs than
[02-Nov-2009 08:42:29] <Guest52705> Alguien que hable en spañol
[02-Nov-2009 08:43:12] <Quadro> hello there
[02-Nov-2009 09:01:28] <swarog> uh, zenos apt repos is darn slow
[02-Nov-2009 09:01:49] <swarog> sometimes going below 1kB/s
[02-Nov-2009 09:18:07] <rmatte> swarog: if you're using it to monitor critical production stuff I'd advise to hold off until at least 2.5.1
[02-Nov-2009 09:18:49] <rmatte> ubuntu 9.10 is out, woot
[02-Nov-2009 09:19:31] <Guest52705> some use vmware zenoss version
[02-Nov-2009 09:20:37] <Troubadix09> guest 52705: I do
[02-Nov-2009 09:22:01] <Troubadix09> rmatte: my zenoss is up again
[02-Nov-2009 09:22:19] <Troubadix09> rmatte: restore it from complete backup
[02-Nov-2009 09:24:21] <Guest52705> i figure like guest 52705?
[02-Nov-2009 09:25:41] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: yes
[02-Nov-2009 09:26:12] <Guest52705> can you tellme wath distro is?
[02-Nov-2009 09:27:37] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: Look here http://wiki.rpath.com/wiki/rPath_Linux:distro-release
[02-Nov-2009 09:28:00] <Guest52705> thanks
[02-Nov-2009 09:29:39] jb_ is now known as jb
[02-Nov-2009 09:30:04] <Guest52705> i have some problem with configuration device
[02-Nov-2009 09:30:14] <Guest52705> can you help me
[02-Nov-2009 09:43:30] <rmatte> lol, why would they start a poll on the 31st of October and end it basically immediately? poll.jspa?poll=1024
[02-Nov-2009 09:43:49] <rmatte> Guest52705: can you be more specific?
[02-Nov-2009 09:43:58] <rmatte> Troubadix09: glad to hear
[02-Nov-2009 09:44:22] <Guest52705> ok, my inglish is very bad
[02-Nov-2009 09:44:26] <swarog> http://pastebin.com/m760c6dc5
[02-Nov-2009 09:45:13] <Guest52705> i need to monitorin Fortigate Device, but i have some error
[02-Nov-2009 09:45:22] <Guest52705> snmp agent down
[02-Nov-2009 09:46:01] <rmatte> swarog, why are there extra quotes around the command?
[02-Nov-2009 09:46:09] <rmatte> su zenoss -c '"/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenmigrate" '
[02-Nov-2009 09:46:30] <rmatte> it should just be something like: su zenoss -c "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenmigrate"
[02-Nov-2009 09:47:11] <rmatte> Guest52705: have you configured SNMP correctly on that device and put the snmp string in zSnmpCommunity under zProperties?
[02-Nov-2009 09:48:09] <rmatte> swarog: also, you really should just become the zenoss user then run the command
[02-Nov-2009 09:48:19] <rmatte> swarog: su - zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 09:48:22] <rmatte> then do whatever
[02-Nov-2009 09:48:32] <Guest52705> i have configure on device ok
[02-Nov-2009 09:48:55] <Guest52705> "put the snmp string in zSnmpCommunity under zProperties" what is this
[02-Nov-2009 09:48:58] <rmatte> Guest52705: then you need to put the snmp community string in to the zSnmpCommunity field under zProperties for the group or the device
[02-Nov-2009 09:49:14] <Guest52705> how i do?
[02-Nov-2009 09:50:07] <rmatte> Guest52705: eugh, I understand that your english is very bad, but please read the Zenoss Admin Guide: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zenoss/files/Documentation/zenoss-2.4.x-docs/Zenoss_Administration_2.4.3.pdf/download
[02-Nov-2009 09:50:31] <rmatte> Guest52705: it explains how to use Zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 09:50:45] <Guest52705> ok
[02-Nov-2009 09:50:52] <Guest52705> thanks
[02-Nov-2009 09:52:07] <rmatte> Guest52705: here are some videos: docs/DOC-2606
[02-Nov-2009 09:52:34] <Guest52705> thnaks
[02-Nov-2009 09:53:05] <swarog> rmatte: thats debian package
[02-Nov-2009 09:53:08] <Guest52705> in the comuntetation , explain how enable ping
[02-Nov-2009 09:53:20] <swarog> rmatte: you cant install packages without being root
[02-Nov-2009 09:53:24] <Guest52705> sorry disable
[02-Nov-2009 09:55:09] <swarog> rmatte: any ideas when 2.5.1 is going to be released?
[02-Nov-2009 09:55:57] <rmatte> swarog: no idea
[02-Nov-2009 09:56:31] <swarog> oh , im getting bunch of various error trying to remove it and install it again
[02-Nov-2009 09:57:28] <Troubadix09> swarog: you're not alone ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 09:58:17] <swarog> oh, so installing 2.5 was kinda bad idea
[02-Nov-2009 09:58:36] <mdereus> I wouldn't say it was a bad idea.
[02-Nov-2009 09:59:08] <rmatte> It's just not production ready in my opinion
[02-Nov-2009 09:59:41] <mrayzenoss> 2.5.1 will be out this month, probably pretty soon
[02-Nov-2009 10:00:01] <Troubadix09> rmatte: I install the WMIDataSource Version 2beta on my destroyed VM, and all Daemons starts without error on the console, but zenping, zenactions stops immediatly
[02-Nov-2009 10:00:05] <mrayzenoss> it has a few issues, listed here with patches for both : http://tr.im/trac_2_5_1
[02-Nov-2009 10:00:17] <mrayzenoss> s/both/most/
[02-Nov-2009 10:03:32] <Troubadix09> rmatte: is it possible, to uninstall the painfull WMIDataSource-Zenpack residue, i mean roll-back the changes, the zenpack made?
[02-Nov-2009 10:05:42] <rmatte> Troubadix09: removing the ZenPack itself should remove all of the changes
[02-Nov-2009 10:06:00] <Troubadix09> rmatte: It works for me in 2.4.5, but I don't want another desaster when upgrading ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 10:07:16] <rmatte> Troubadix09: we already tested the upgrade the other day with the beta version of the 2.5 pack, all that will be involved when upgrading is to install the updated version of the pack right before updating, but a final version of the new pack won't be available for some time
[02-Nov-2009 10:07:35] <rmatte> Troubadix09: If you insist on upgrading right now, then just remove the ZenPack before upgrading
[02-Nov-2009 10:08:52] <Troubadix09> rmatte: thanks for info ;-) ... and I promise I make a snapshot next time ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 10:09:10] <rmatte> it would be in your best interests to do so ;)
[02-Nov-2009 10:09:19] <Troubadix09> he he
[02-Nov-2009 10:09:38] <Guest52705> thanks, im reading
[02-Nov-2009 10:10:01] <rmatte> np
[02-Nov-2009 10:10:48] <Guest52705> but i have the same comunity name
[02-Nov-2009 10:11:28] <rmatte> Guest52705: can you do a full snmpwalk from the zenoss server to the device that you are trying to monitor?
[02-Nov-2009 10:11:55] <Guest52705> whait
[02-Nov-2009 10:11:58] <Guest52705> im conecting
[02-Nov-2009 10:12:25] <rmatte> Zenoss is basically complaining that it can't connect to the device via SNMP
[02-Nov-2009 10:12:43] <rmatte> so it's some sort of connectivity or permissions issue on the Zenoss server or the device
[02-Nov-2009 10:16:22] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: is there planned to work on the design of the views example the view of the Classes/Devices? I mean a little bit like a tree with a "+" or "-" in front of the sub-devices
[02-Nov-2009 10:16:33] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: to collapse or expand?
[02-Nov-2009 10:16:56] <rmatte> Troubadix09: the entire UI is currently being re-designed
[02-Nov-2009 10:17:04] <mrayzenoss> Troubadix09: yeah, it's getting reviewed for the next major release, I don't know what the plan is yet
[02-Nov-2009 10:17:10] <rmatte> Troubadix09: when Stone Crab is released in 6 months the UI will be completely different
[02-Nov-2009 10:17:31] <Guest52705> i do snmpwalk -v1 -c public 172........
[02-Nov-2009 10:17:44] <mrayzenoss> when we have some mockups available I'll try to get them posted
[02-Nov-2009 10:17:46] <Guest52705> No response from 172.......
[02-Nov-2009 10:18:00] <rmatte> Guest52705: then your SNMP is not configured properly on the device obviously
[02-Nov-2009 10:18:08] <rmatte> Guest52705: or you're using the wrong SNMP community string
[02-Nov-2009 10:18:20] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: nice to hear about that ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 10:18:28] <rmatte> Guest52705: you should never leave your SNMP string as "public" anyways, very very bad security practice
[02-Nov-2009 10:18:48] <Guest52705> this is a testing server
[02-Nov-2009 10:19:03] <rmatte> Guest52705: either way, it's not configured properly :)
[02-Nov-2009 10:19:11] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: excuse me, what are mockups?
[02-Nov-2009 10:19:12] <Guest52705> ok
[02-Nov-2009 10:19:26] <mrayzenoss> like screenshots
[02-Nov-2009 10:19:28] <rmatte> Troubadix09: mockups would be like sketches for a comic book
[02-Nov-2009 10:19:43] <rmatte> Troubadix09: basically planning stages for the UI, of what it may look like
[02-Nov-2009 10:20:07] <rmatte> Troubadix09: then community members can view them and offer suggestions
[02-Nov-2009 10:21:09] <Guest52705> i check fortigate device and it ok
[02-Nov-2009 10:21:14] <Guest52705> have the same name
[02-Nov-2009 10:21:16] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss, rmatte: thanks, I'm not familar to all english words ;-) (I come from Germany)
[02-Nov-2009 10:21:35] <Guest52705> and port, and version
[02-Nov-2009 10:21:57] <rmatte> Troubadix09: ah, cool
[02-Nov-2009 10:23:33] <rmatte> Guest52705: things to check on the device that's not working: make sure that you have the correct snmp string, make sure that the snmp string has permissions to read the full snmp tree, make sure that the device is set to accept SNMP requests from your Zenoss servers.
[02-Nov-2009 10:23:59] <rmatte> Guest52705: port should not change
[02-Nov-2009 10:24:09] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: have you configured your firewall-policies right?
[02-Nov-2009 10:24:26] <rmatte> yeh, if it's a fortigate it needs to allow traffic from the IP of the Zenoss server
[02-Nov-2009 10:24:41] <rmatte> the firewall is probably blocking the traffic
[02-Nov-2009 10:26:16] <Guest52705> i put a rule
[02-Nov-2009 10:26:45] <Guest52705> i need to refresh zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 10:27:13] <rmatte> you don't need to "refresh" it, just wait for it to try and poll again
[02-Nov-2009 10:27:22] <rmatte> It polls every 5 minutes
[02-Nov-2009 10:27:34] <Guest52705> good
[02-Nov-2009 10:27:48] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: configure your fortinet right
[02-Nov-2009 10:28:22] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: make a policy for incoming snmp-traffic
[02-Nov-2009 10:28:47] <rmatte> Troubadix09: and outgoing (if he expects to receive traps)
[02-Nov-2009 10:29:37] <Troubadix09> Guest: configure under System/Config/SNMP v1/v2c the right community and the trap-server wich should receive the traps
[02-Nov-2009 10:29:58] <Troubadix09> rmatte: outgoing too ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 10:30:06] <rmatte> :)
[02-Nov-2009 10:30:22] <Guest52705> trap server
[02-Nov-2009 10:33:23] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: And under System/Network/ search the port to your lan and set the access-level to snmp
[02-Nov-2009 10:34:23] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: then you don't need a policy for polling snmp from your private LAN
[02-Nov-2009 10:35:33] <Guest52705> yuo are talking about fortigate
[02-Nov-2009 10:35:53] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: The Fortinet Policy is only needed to accept polling over WAN-Port or send Traps over WAN-Port
[02-Nov-2009 10:36:06] <Guest52705> ok
[02-Nov-2009 10:36:18] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: yes, we use fortigate-firewalls too
[02-Nov-2009 10:37:04] <Guest52705> good
[02-Nov-2009 10:37:12] <Guest52705> i need some other
[02-Nov-2009 10:37:22] <Guest52705> have experience with fortigate
[02-Nov-2009 10:37:49] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: you can reach helping documents over the WebGUI of the fortigate
[02-Nov-2009 10:37:50] <Guest52705> it work
[02-Nov-2009 10:38:07] <Guest52705> i enable snmp on system network
[02-Nov-2009 10:38:29] <Guest52705> and probe from console of linux
[02-Nov-2009 10:38:36] <Guest52705> and now is working
[02-Nov-2009 10:38:50] <Guest52705> thansk
[02-Nov-2009 10:39:13] <rmatte> good
[02-Nov-2009 10:39:39] <Guest52705> two alerts desapiers
[02-Nov-2009 10:39:45] <Guest52705> and i have 4 more
[02-Nov-2009 10:39:50] <Guest52705> jejejej
[02-Nov-2009 10:40:03] <Guest52705> snmp boton is gone
[02-Nov-2009 10:40:28] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: With zenoss you can use the fortigate - Zenpack
[02-Nov-2009 10:40:36] <Guest52705> yes
[02-Nov-2009 10:40:40] <Guest52705> i have installes
[02-Nov-2009 10:40:48] <Guest52705> i change class os device
[02-Nov-2009 10:40:53] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: it is old but it works
[02-Nov-2009 10:41:06] <Guest52705> and put template
[02-Nov-2009 10:43:29] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: and install the fortios300-mib, fortimail-mib-220 and fortimail-trap-mib-220 and you get readable snmp-traps
[02-Nov-2009 10:43:50] <Guest52705> that i dont have
[02-Nov-2009 10:43:56] <Guest52705> hoy i do?
[02-Nov-2009 10:43:58] <Guest52705> how
[02-Nov-2009 10:44:42] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: there are manuals and wikis on how to install MIBs in Zenoss...
[02-Nov-2009 10:44:53] <Guest52705> ok
[02-Nov-2009 10:45:09] <Guest52705> and the mibs?
[02-Nov-2009 10:45:12] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: The MIBs are on the fortinet-web-site
[02-Nov-2009 10:45:21] <Guest52705> good
[02-Nov-2009 10:45:26] <Guest52705> thanks
[02-Nov-2009 10:45:29] <Guest52705> very much
[02-Nov-2009 10:45:52] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: I don't remember, but i think you must have an account on the fortinet-site
[02-Nov-2009 10:46:04] <Guest52705> i have
[02-Nov-2009 10:46:49] <Guest52705> for today one last cuestions
[02-Nov-2009 10:47:49] <Guest52705> all that or fortigate is do too control ISP provider and how is working VPN
[02-Nov-2009 10:48:50] <Troubadix09> aeh ... what is the question?
[02-Nov-2009 10:49:08] <Guest52705> how i can control mi ISP
[02-Nov-2009 10:49:23] <Guest52705> time up, lost packet
[02-Nov-2009 10:49:34] <Guest52705> and demore
[02-Nov-2009 10:51:00] <Guest52705> brandwicth
[02-Nov-2009 10:51:23] <Guest52705> i cant do ping too gogle becouse ping is blocked
[02-Nov-2009 10:53:57] <rmatte> Guest52705: ok, the question was unclear... you want to "control" your ISP?
[02-Nov-2009 10:54:19] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: blocked from what? from your ISP or from the fortigate?
[02-Nov-2009 10:54:48] <Guest52705> i need to control ISP
[02-Nov-2009 10:54:59] <Guest52705> how is working
[02-Nov-2009 10:55:12] <rmatte> still don't understand, what do you hope to accomplish?
[02-Nov-2009 10:55:45] <Guest52705> ping is blocked for fortigate
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:00] <rmatte> ok, is ping blocked BY your ISP, or by the fortigate?
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:01] <Guest52705> i cant ping too another station
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:10] <Guest52705> but not to internet
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:18] <Guest52705> fotigate
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:24] <rmatte> then fix it, obviously
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:33] <rmatte> this is a place for Zenoss questions, not fortigate support
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:42] <Guest52705> ok
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:42] <Troubadix09> rmatte: nothing to add ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 10:56:59] <rmatte> hehe
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:13] <Guest52705> but some change i cant do
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:15] <Guest52705> on fortigate
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:21] <rmatte> Guest52705: why?
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:34] <Troubadix09> Guest52705: ask your administrator ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:36] <Guest52705> intenal policy
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:45] <Guest52705> taht is the problem
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:50] <Guest52705> my administrator
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:51] <rmatte> Guest52705: yeh, ask your administrator, we can't help you with gaining access to your own device :P
[02-Nov-2009 10:57:52] <Guest52705> heheheh
[02-Nov-2009 10:58:00] <Troubadix09> hehe
[02-Nov-2009 10:58:22] <Troubadix09> rmatte: it sounds like hacking
[02-Nov-2009 10:58:25] <Troubadix09> ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 10:58:26] <rmatte> I don't come in here and be like "uh, guys, I can't login to one of my Linux servers, can you please help?"
[02-Nov-2009 10:58:36] <rmatte> :P
[02-Nov-2009 10:58:53] <Guest52705> can i check www.google.com (for example) for another way
[02-Nov-2009 10:59:02] <Guest52705> sorry rmatte
[02-Nov-2009 10:59:09] <rmatte> Guest52705: there is no other way, you need access to make config changes on devices
[02-Nov-2009 10:59:15] <rmatte> If you don't have access you don't make the changes
[02-Nov-2009 10:59:22] <rmatte> It's a firewall, there's no way around it
[02-Nov-2009 10:59:28] <rmatte> it's designed to be secure
[02-Nov-2009 10:59:53] <rmatte> Like we said before, contact your administrator and have them do the changes
[02-Nov-2009 11:00:12] <Guest52705> ok
[02-Nov-2009 11:00:13] <rmatte> If they aren't willing to make the changes then you're out of luck
[02-Nov-2009 11:00:21] <Guest52705> sorry for ask
[02-Nov-2009 11:00:27] <Troubadix09> rmatte: puh ... what a luck, I administrate our fortigates on my own ... ;-)
[02-Nov-2009 11:00:37] <rmatte> Troubadix09: hehe
[02-Nov-2009 11:00:57] <rmatte> Troubadix09: We have a Cisco ASA instead
[02-Nov-2009 11:01:48] <Guest52705> i think, i can check some web with http withoun using ping
[02-Nov-2009 11:02:18] <rmatte> Guest52705: yes, you want to install the HttpMonitor ZenPack
[02-Nov-2009 11:02:31] <Guest52705> yes i do
[02-Nov-2009 11:02:42] <Guest52705> but i cant disable ping check
[02-Nov-2009 11:03:58] <jb> erm.. my alerting schedules are all goofed up now.
[02-Nov-2009 11:04:04] <rmatte> Guest52705: yes you can, it's an option in zProperties
[02-Nov-2009 11:04:14] <rmatte> Guest52705: you change zPingMonitor to False
[02-Nov-2009 11:04:26] <jb> i have a schedule that starts at 17:00 each day and lasts for 12 hours
[02-Nov-2009 11:04:35] <jb> its triggering outside of that range now
[02-Nov-2009 11:05:11] <Guest52705> i have zPingMonitorIgnore on false
[02-Nov-2009 11:07:32] <rmatte> Guest52705: then set it to true
[02-Nov-2009 11:07:57] <rmatte> Guest52705: it needs to be set to True to ignore ping monitoring
[02-Nov-2009 11:08:22] <Guest52705> i make change
[02-Nov-2009 11:09:16] <Guest52705> thanks
[02-Nov-2009 11:09:30] <Guest52705> i need too download mibs or fortigate
[02-Nov-2009 11:09:37] <Guest52705> and install
[02-Nov-2009 11:09:47] <rmatte> Troubadix09: yes, we have security engineers that reviewed other products, ASA was determined to be the best
[02-Nov-2009 11:10:43] <jb> argh
[02-Nov-2009 11:10:49] <jb> even with it set to disabled, it still triggers
[02-Nov-2009 11:11:33] <rmatte> jb: what version of Zenoss?
[02-Nov-2009 11:11:37] <jb> 2.4.5
[02-Nov-2009 11:11:51] <rmatte> ah, thought it might have been the 2.3.3 time bug
[02-Nov-2009 11:12:03] <rmatte> do you guys do DST?
[02-Nov-2009 11:12:11] <jb> yeah
[02-Nov-2009 11:12:12] <rmatte> how much outside the range is it triggering?
[02-Nov-2009 11:12:20] <jb> its like its ignoring the range
[02-Nov-2009 11:12:26] <rmatte> hmmm
[02-Nov-2009 11:12:38] <rmatte> maybe try removing the alerting rule and re-adding it?
[02-Nov-2009 11:12:40] <jb> and Enabled is set to "False"
[02-Nov-2009 11:13:04] <jb> i'll try
[02-Nov-2009 11:13:10] <rmatte> jb: have you tried restarting Zenoss?
[02-Nov-2009 11:13:13] <jb> yes
[02-Nov-2009 11:13:21] <rmatte> jb: I've had to do that a couple times to get alerting rules to work properly
[02-Nov-2009 11:15:11] <Troubadix09> cu all
[02-Nov-2009 11:29:03] <rmatte> hmmm, I'm debating between Chef and Puppet
[02-Nov-2009 11:29:28] <rmatte> Puppet seems a bit simpler in all ways
[02-Nov-2009 11:31:10] <jb> im messing with puppet right now..
[02-Nov-2009 11:31:28] <jb> im having a hard time organizing my modules and all
[02-Nov-2009 11:32:04] <jb> chef seems to be geared more towards developers..
[02-Nov-2009 11:32:14] <jb> puppet is geared more towards sysadmin types
[02-Nov-2009 11:32:19] <rmatte> yeh, I heard Chef is more pure Ruby
[02-Nov-2009 11:32:40] <rmatte> I really just want something that I can rig up some fairly simple automation with
[02-Nov-2009 11:32:46] <jb> yeah me too
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:05] <rmatte> have you heard of any other products other than those 2?
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:11] <jb> no
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:12] <jb> thats about it
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:15] <jb> in the OSS world
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:21] <rmatte> yeh, same here
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:22] <rmatte> hmmm
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:32] <jb> there bfcfg2
[02-Nov-2009 11:33:41] <jb> bcfg2
[02-Nov-2009 11:34:00] <jb> no idea about it though
[02-Nov-2009 11:34:17] <rmatte> hmmm, it's written in python eh?
[02-Nov-2009 11:34:23] <jb> not sure
[02-Nov-2009 11:35:13] <rmatte> bcfg2 actually sounds pretty interesting
[02-Nov-2009 11:36:47] <rmatte> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTEF_GBurrU
[02-Nov-2009 11:37:46] <rmatte> since it's python I might actually take a look at that, I'm already learning Python and getting pretty decent with it, so I'd rather continue learning it than having to try and learn Python and Ruby
[02-Nov-2009 11:38:06] <rmatte> afk for a few
[02-Nov-2009 12:00:17] <Evolution> I'm testing out zenoss 2.5 and am about half through the documentation, so pardon if this is covered, but in setting up a test system, I find that I get no performance snmp data from win2k3 sp2
[02-Nov-2009 12:00:38] <Evolution> is this a known issue?
[02-Nov-2009 12:00:54] <Evolution> google seems to have some forums related to it, but they're generating 404's now.
[02-Nov-2009 12:01:03] <Evolution> for example -> community/forums/viewtopic.php?p=39011
[02-Nov-2009 12:04:39] <Evolution> ah, it seems I'm missing snmp informant.
[02-Nov-2009 12:12:38] <rmatte> Evolution: I have a zenpack that I made which collects that data without snmp-informant...
[02-Nov-2009 12:12:59] <Evolution> rmatte: for 2.5?
[02-Nov-2009 12:13:01] <rmatte> Simple version: docs/DOC-3570
[02-Nov-2009 12:13:01] <Evolution> yes please!
[02-Nov-2009 12:13:09] <rmatte> Advanced version: docs/DOC-3386
[02-Nov-2009 12:13:14] <rmatte> and yes, it'll work in 2.5
[02-Nov-2009 12:13:42] <Evolution> what's the difference between simple/advanced?
[02-Nov-2009 12:14:00] <rmatte> read the description of the simple zenpack
[02-Nov-2009 12:14:03] <Evolution> ah, cpu info.
[02-Nov-2009 12:14:07] <rmatte> yes
[02-Nov-2009 12:14:13] * Evolution rtfms
[02-Nov-2009 12:14:19] <rmatte> depends on whether or not you want to monitor individual cores
[02-Nov-2009 12:14:52] <rmatte> I created the simple version afterwards since not everyone is going to want to monitor performance for each core
[02-Nov-2009 12:15:09] <rmatte> the script uses a couple of bash scripts that I wrote to collect the data, it works quite well
[02-Nov-2009 12:15:18] <rmatte> I'm planning on converting the scripts to python eventually
[02-Nov-2009 12:15:34] <rmatte> External Dependencies: It consists of 2 bash scripts which collect the information from the SNMP Service. The bash scripts rely on the 'bc' and 'snmpwalk' commands, so make sure that you have those installed on your server before using this ZenPack.
[02-Nov-2009 12:15:40] <Evolution> yep. read that.
[02-Nov-2009 12:15:43] <Evolution> loading now.
[02-Nov-2009 12:15:46] <rmatte> k cool
[02-Nov-2009 12:17:17] <Evolution> hrm.
[02-Nov-2009 12:17:20] <Evolution> ERROR: zenpack command failed. Reason: OSError: [Errno 20] Not a directory: '/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenPacks.Nova.Windows.SNMPPerfMonitor-1.2-py2.4.egg/skins'
[02-Nov-2009 12:17:27] <Evolution> that shouldn't matter should it?
[02-Nov-2009 12:17:40] <rmatte> did you unzip the pack?
[02-Nov-2009 12:17:48] <rmatte> the community site zips zenpack files when it shouldn't
[02-Nov-2009 12:17:53] <rmatte> so you need to unzip them before installing
[02-Nov-2009 12:18:01] <Evolution> ah, that explains it.
[02-Nov-2009 12:18:01] <rmatte> you'll have a .egg.zip
[02-Nov-2009 12:18:07] <rmatte> unzip it so you have a .egg
[02-Nov-2009 12:18:10] <rmatte> and install the .egg
[02-Nov-2009 12:18:11] <Evolution> gotcha.
[02-Nov-2009 12:18:11] <rmatte> :)
[02-Nov-2009 12:19:12] <Evolution> well that works loads better doing it the right way!
[02-Nov-2009 12:19:30] <rmatte> (I hope they fix that stupid zip issue soon, I'm starting to get tired of explaining it to people lol)
[02-Nov-2009 12:23:44] <rmatte> jb: I'm seriously leaning towards bcfg2 now that you've mentioned it hehe
[02-Nov-2009 12:24:27] <rmatte> good afternoon Matt
[02-Nov-2009 12:25:14] <mrayzenoss> myellow
[02-Nov-2009 12:25:46] <rmatte> Matt, I'm leaning away from Puppet and Chef now, I think I'm going to try out http://trac.mcs.anl.gov/projects/bcfg2/
[02-Nov-2009 12:25:48] <cgibbons> are you not @ LISA this week, matt?
[02-Nov-2009 12:25:53] <rmatte> especially since it's written in Python
[02-Nov-2009 12:26:40] <mrayzenoss> unfortunately I will not be at LISA this week, family commitments
[02-Nov-2009 12:27:00] <rmatte> I'll graciously accept your tickets :)
[02-Nov-2009 12:27:08] <mrayzenoss> Mark & Chet and others will make do in my absence
[02-Nov-2009 12:27:42] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: bcfg2 is cool too
[02-Nov-2009 12:27:52] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: yeh, it looks extremely promising
[02-Nov-2009 12:28:06] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: It seems to be a lot more what I'm looking for
[02-Nov-2009 12:28:20] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: and the fact that it's coded in python gets it extra brownie points from me
[02-Nov-2009 12:30:37] <Evolution> is there a FAQ regarding zProperties zWinUser and zWinPassword ?
[02-Nov-2009 12:30:52] <rmatte> Evolution: yeh, the Zenoss Admin Guide
[02-Nov-2009 12:31:11] <Evolution> heh, reading that. nothing overly helpful for troubleshooting that I've seen
[02-Nov-2009 12:31:22] <rmatte> then ask here
[02-Nov-2009 12:32:33] <Evolution> I'm getting zeneventlog warnings for 'Could not read the Windows Event Log, NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[02-Nov-2009 12:32:51] <Evolution> doesn't matter if I use a domain admin account, or local admin account.
[02-Nov-2009 12:32:57] <rmatte> ok, first off, does the account that you're trying to use have proper permissions?
[02-Nov-2009 12:33:14] <rmatte> if it's a local admin account you may want to put ./username in zproperties
[02-Nov-2009 12:33:23] <rmatte> If it's a domain account you'd put domain/username
[02-Nov-2009 12:33:33] <rmatte> zWinPassword is self explanatory
[02-Nov-2009 12:33:48] <rmatte> you also need to make sure that WMI is properly configured on the machine you're trying to poll
[02-Nov-2009 12:33:55] <mrayzenoss> Evolution: docs/DOC-2520
[02-Nov-2009 12:33:56] <Evolution> I think I may just be doing the / incorrectly then.
[02-Nov-2009 12:34:00] <Evolution> was using \ instead of /
[02-Nov-2009 12:34:14] <rmatte> actually \ should work too, they are interchangeable in Zenoss from my experience
[02-Nov-2009 12:34:15] <Evolution> mrayzenoss: thanks. reading.
[02-Nov-2009 12:34:22] <Guest52705> hello again
[02-Nov-2009 12:34:42] <Guest52705> i need too accese via ssh o vmware zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 12:35:02] <Guest52705> where ia have documenteation too now user and pass
[02-Nov-2009 12:35:18] <mrayzenoss> Guest52705: login as root and add a password for the 'zenoss' user
[02-Nov-2009 12:35:25] <mrayzenoss> root has no password on the VM
[02-Nov-2009 12:36:58] <rmatte> or login as root and do: sudo su - zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 12:37:03] <rmatte> either way works
[02-Nov-2009 12:37:14] <rmatte> might want to set a password for root while you're at it
[02-Nov-2009 12:38:28] <Guest52705> ok
[02-Nov-2009 12:44:43] <Guest52705> some use MIB Browser/Utils too add mib's?
[02-Nov-2009 12:44:56] <Guest52705> thanks for the pass of root
[02-Nov-2009 12:45:00] <Guest52705> work fine
[02-Nov-2009 12:45:36] <wdw> okay, so I'm an idiot and have a question.. when mysql was in an error state, it showed up under 'components' in the device status view.. now that i've cleared the error.. it no longer appears, and I can't find it anywhere other than in the perf graphs
[02-Nov-2009 12:46:05] <wdw> I know i'm missing something drop-dead obvious, but i'm missing it.. can someone tell me where I should be looking? :)
[02-Nov-2009 12:46:20] <rmatte> wdw: you mean it showed up in the components for a specific device?
[02-Nov-2009 12:46:30] <wdw> right..
[02-Nov-2009 12:46:35] <wdw> when it was in an error state
[02-Nov-2009 12:46:47] <rmatte> wdw: that's just because you had an event in the active event console with that component
[02-Nov-2009 12:47:01] <rmatte> so a status for the component automatically shows up on the device page
[02-Nov-2009 12:47:12] <rmatte> once the event clears or is moved to history by hand it no longer shows the status
[02-Nov-2009 12:47:22] <rmatte> it's just the way Zenoss does things
[02-Nov-2009 12:47:27] <wdw> that makes sense
[02-Nov-2009 12:47:31] <mrayzenoss> Guest52705: docs/DOC-2445#MIBs
[02-Nov-2009 12:48:03] <rmatte> you could rename it from "MySQL" to "Yogi Bear" and you'd get a status of down for "Yogi Bear" each time MySQL fails
[02-Nov-2009 12:48:04] <rmatte> lol
[02-Nov-2009 12:48:08] <Guest52705> thanks
[02-Nov-2009 12:48:40] <wdw> so where would i look to just get a simple 'here is the status of every service being monitored by zenoss for this device' ? I may be stuck in a nagios mindset or something here, but a list of every service on a device, with manager-pleasing green/ok status, should be possible, right?
[02-Nov-2009 12:49:20] <rmatte> wdw, the os tab
[02-Nov-2009 12:50:12] <wdw> thats what I thought, but it doesn't actually show up there.. I guess I need to read up more
[02-Nov-2009 12:50:53] <rmatte> ok, what generated the actual alert?
[02-Nov-2009 12:51:00] <rmatte> are you using the MySQL ZenPack or something?
[02-Nov-2009 12:51:05] <wdw> yes
[02-Nov-2009 12:51:15] <rmatte> then you won't get a status list like that...
[02-Nov-2009 12:51:18] <wdw> aah
[02-Nov-2009 12:51:35] <rmatte> that ZenPack monitors the health of MySQL as performance stats and alerts if something fails
[02-Nov-2009 12:51:57] <rmatte> You could add MySQL to the Processes list on the OS tab
[02-Nov-2009 12:52:05] <wdw> that explains where I went wrong.. so in actuality, i'd need to add it to OS procese.. gotcha
[02-Nov-2009 12:52:05] <rmatte> and it will monitor if the process is running
[02-Nov-2009 12:52:17] <wdw> this is slowly starting to fall into place now - thanks!
[02-Nov-2009 12:52:22] <rmatte> np
[02-Nov-2009 12:52:59] <rmatte> you should still probably monitor with the MySQL pack as well since it monitors stuff that Zenoss doesn't monitor by default and provides performance graphs I believe
[02-Nov-2009 12:57:38] <Evolution> rmatte: thanks for your help. you've gotten me pretty darn far for getting set up.
[02-Nov-2009 12:58:42] <rmatte> no problem
[02-Nov-2009 12:59:50] <rmatte> I know that Zenoss can be a bit of a pain to get started with so I help people out as best I can
[02-Nov-2009 13:01:40] <Evolution> I'm looking to replace my nagios setup with something a bit more capable/pretty-for-bosses.
[02-Nov-2009 13:01:49] <Evolution> so I'm evaluating zabbix and zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 13:02:00] <rmatte> Evolution: Zenoss is the best I've seen in terms of a nagios replacement
[02-Nov-2009 13:02:06] <mdereus> I ditched Nagios for Zenoss.
[02-Nov-2009 13:02:08] <mdereus> Glad I did.
[02-Nov-2009 13:02:21] <Evolution> doing jmx monitoring in nagios is OMFGSTABME....
[02-Nov-2009 13:02:27] <rmatte> Evolution: and it can even use Nagios plugins
[02-Nov-2009 13:02:31] <mrayzenoss> Evolution: lol
[02-Nov-2009 13:02:56] <kobalt> wtb event views with a date filter... hehe
[02-Nov-2009 13:03:09] <wdw> hey, you're all going to be crying when nagios releases their new interface.. coming summer 3009.
[02-Nov-2009 13:03:11] <rmatte> yeh well, good thing there's a ZenPack for JMX :)
[02-Nov-2009 13:03:21] <rmatte> wdw: haha
[02-Nov-2009 13:03:39] <wdw> ninja isn't bad, but talk about putting lipstick on a pig
[02-Nov-2009 13:03:45] <Evolution> yeah. the nagios 3.x release is what made up my mind to move.
[02-Nov-2009 13:03:55] <Evolution> it's pretty... but it's the same old nagios.
[02-Nov-2009 13:04:08] <Evolution> no traffic graphing, no direct integration with anything...
[02-Nov-2009 13:04:22] <rmatte> Evolution: yeh, Zenoss does traffic graphing very well
[02-Nov-2009 13:04:24] <Evolution> you can build all that junk in via 3rd party stuff....
[02-Nov-2009 13:04:31] <Evolution> but why if you can get it all in one.
[02-Nov-2009 13:04:52] <rmatte> Evolution: yeh, what you can setup in Zenoss in a week, would take you like 3 months in Nagios
[02-Nov-2009 13:04:52] <Evolution> rmatte: we'll see soon.... I'm about to introduce my cisco 4506 to zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 13:04:54] <Evolution> :-P
[02-Nov-2009 13:05:15] <mdereus> I accomplished more in 2 days with Zenoss than I did in 2 weeks with Nagios.
[02-Nov-2009 13:05:22] <rmatte> how many ports does the 4506 have?
[02-Nov-2009 13:05:30] <Evolution> who uses enterprise zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 13:05:42] <wdw> the cool kids
[02-Nov-2009 13:05:42] <Evolution> rmatte: 5 cards of 48 ports :-P
[02-Nov-2009 13:06:07] <rmatte> Evolution: http://www.zenoss.com/customers/by-industry <--- These people use enterprise
[02-Nov-2009 13:06:12] <Evolution> was hoping someone here would say "yes worth ent for tomcat monitoring"
[02-Nov-2009 13:06:21] <Evolution> rmatte: yeah. I don't read marketing. I talk to people.
[02-Nov-2009 13:06:22] <mrayzenoss> there are a couple of Enterprise users in the channel from time to time
[02-Nov-2009 13:06:37] * jb = ent
[02-Nov-2009 13:06:44] <rmatte> Evolution: ah, I'm monitoring some 1750s, 1 has 7 stacks of 24 ports, Zenoss handles it like a champ
[02-Nov-2009 13:06:49] <Evolution> I'll read documentation and talk to people who use the product. I refuse to deal with marketing or sales drones.
[02-Nov-2009 13:07:25] <rmatte> Evolution: enterprise scales up a lot easier
[02-Nov-2009 13:07:40] <rmatte> Evolution: and has nice redundancy features
[02-Nov-2009 13:07:43] <Evolution> can zenoss do parenting? ex: if my switch is down, don't bother testing (or notifying) about anything behind the switch?
[02-Nov-2009 13:07:50] <jb> no :(
[02-Nov-2009 13:07:54] <rmatte> Evolution: unfortunately no
[02-Nov-2009 13:08:06] <Evolution> I didn't see anything about that in doc, so I thought I'd ask.
[02-Nov-2009 13:08:14] <mrayzenoss> well… it does event suppression based on topology awareness
[02-Nov-2009 13:08:15] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: I know that layer 2 dependencies are a ways off, but can you guys not code in manual dependencies?
[02-Nov-2009 13:08:22] <jb> not very well though
[02-Nov-2009 13:08:24] <jb> for instance..
[02-Nov-2009 13:08:35] <mrayzenoss> awareness being the keyword...
[02-Nov-2009 13:08:44] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: quite honestly, in my experience, the event suppression is virtually non-existant
[02-Nov-2009 13:09:24] <rmatte> I saw a manual dependencies feature in another product and it was actually quite nice
[02-Nov-2009 13:09:36] <rmatte> it's a lot of work to do but once it's done it's done
[02-Nov-2009 13:09:36] <jb> when a device goes down.. i still get "IP Service Down" alerts
[02-Nov-2009 13:09:38] <jb> which is annoying
[02-Nov-2009 13:09:41] <rmatte> and it doesn't rely on topology
[02-Nov-2009 13:09:43] <mrayzenoss> your topology has to be exactly correct and only works with some of the daemons, so I'll agree it's not very useful yet
[02-Nov-2009 13:10:22] <rmatte> jb: depends on when the polling for the ip services is done versus the polling for ping
[02-Nov-2009 13:10:44] <rmatte> jb: if your device goes down just as the polling for ip services kicks off but while the ping polling is between cycles you'll see that
[02-Nov-2009 13:10:55] <Evolution> loading.... loading.... CHOKE DOWN that switch!
[02-Nov-2009 13:11:03] <rmatte> jb: the chances are low since ping polling is done every minute versus every 5 minutes for everything else
[02-Nov-2009 13:11:09] <rmatte> jb: but it does still happen
[02-Nov-2009 13:11:50] <mrayzenoss> manual device dependencies: docs/DOC-3231
[02-Nov-2009 13:12:05] <Evolution> yeah. it's taking A WHILE to add this switch......
[02-Nov-2009 13:12:27] <rmatte> needs to be GUI based mrayzenoss, doing it via transforms is ridiculous when you get in to the hundreds of devices
[02-Nov-2009 13:12:40] <rmatte> or doing it via adding fake interfaces
[02-Nov-2009 13:12:45] <mrayzenoss> yeah
[02-Nov-2009 13:13:02] <rmatte> you should be able to just go to a device and select what devices depend on that device
[02-Nov-2009 13:47:56] <cgibbons> hum
[02-Nov-2009 14:45:27] <jb> argh. still getting alerts!
[02-Nov-2009 14:45:37] <jb> im thinking DST messed something up
[02-Nov-2009 14:45:45] <jb> these alerts are still firing outside of their schedule window
[02-Nov-2009 15:35:36] <scratchme> Is there a free plugin for sending/receiving an email to verify SMTP/POP3 actually work, not just the ports open?
[02-Nov-2009 15:55:54] <suprsonic> mrayzenoss remember the issue I was having?
[02-Nov-2009 15:56:43] <mrayzenoss> yeah
[02-Nov-2009 15:57:02] <suprsonic> was that a one time fix?
[02-Nov-2009 16:02:21] <mrayzenoss> I didn't see the fix, where was it?
[02-Nov-2009 16:02:52] <suprsonic> I needed to reindex
[02-Nov-2009 16:02:56] <suprsonic> then commit
[02-Nov-2009 16:03:17] <mrayzenoss> that's it?
[02-Nov-2009 16:03:20] <mrayzenoss> that worked?
[02-Nov-2009 16:03:31] <suprsonic> well, for my first mib
[02-Nov-2009 16:03:46] <suprsonic> second mib I just installed is doing the samething
[02-Nov-2009 16:03:54] <suprsonic> this time reindex and commit isn't resolving it
[02-Nov-2009 16:12:18] <markeriv> hey guys
[02-Nov-2009 16:12:21] <markeriv> question for you all
[02-Nov-2009 16:12:32] <markeriv> is there a way to add a device via a command line function?
[02-Nov-2009 16:12:42] <markeriv> or a script
[02-Nov-2009 16:13:17] <markeriv> trying to figure out a way to add devices faster...
[02-Nov-2009 16:13:47] <mrayzenoss> zendeviceload
[02-Nov-2009 16:14:47] <markeriv> hmmm alright
[02-Nov-2009 16:14:57] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: and the forum posts are starting to roll in from people who upgraded to 2.5 while they had the WMI Data Source pack installed
[02-Nov-2009 16:14:59] <mrayzenoss> there are other non-xml ways in the wiki: community/documentation/wiki
[02-Nov-2009 16:15:10] <rmatte> maybe you guys should actually email something out to everyone to bring it to people's attention?
[02-Nov-2009 16:15:20] <rmatte> you're going to end up with hundreds or trashed installation
[02-Nov-2009 16:15:46] <mrayzenoss> hmmm… I'll look into a solution
[02-Nov-2009 16:15:51] <rmatte> "hundreds of trashed installations" rather
[02-Nov-2009 16:15:58] <rmatte> yeh, I'll see if I can figure out some sort of fix too
[02-Nov-2009 16:16:04] <rmatte> If I can I'll let you know
[02-Nov-2009 16:16:18] <suprsonic> WMI Data Source a no no?
[02-Nov-2009 16:19:15] <QubeZ> anyone have good documentation on how to get nagios asterisk plugin to work with zenoss? or any plugin for that matter?
[02-Nov-2009 16:19:24] <QubeZ> really like zenoss but no useful asterisk plugins (zenpacks)
[02-Nov-2009 16:21:33] <rmatte> suprsonic: when upgrading to 2.5 it is for the moment
[02-Nov-2009 16:22:16] <rmatte> suprsonic: a fixed version is available but it's purely for beta testing at the moment, it does work but it's not 100% done yet
[02-Nov-2009 16:22:35] <rmatte> suprsonic: this is why I'm encouraging people to stick with 2.4.5 for the time being
[02-Nov-2009 16:22:55] <rmatte> (among other reasons)
[02-Nov-2009 16:23:14] <suprsonic> ah
[02-Nov-2009 16:26:32] <suprsonic> you guys must be pretty busy
[02-Nov-2009 16:26:39] <suprsonic> I'll try not to be a pest :)
[02-Nov-2009 16:28:58] <kisielk> rmatte: so there's *no* way to recover from this WMI thing?
[02-Nov-2009 16:29:39] <rmatte> kisielk: I tried my best and couldn't find a way as of yet
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:01] <rmatte> kisielk: it keeps a bunch of daemons from starting, can't use the zenpack command, and can't start zendmd
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:04] <kisielk> hm
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:10] <kisielk> actually, I don't have that installed, afaik
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:14] <rmatte> kisielk: with all of those facts considered, there's not really anything that can be done
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:22] <kisielk> or at least it's not in the "Loaded ZenPacks" list
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:36] <rmatte> hmmm, then you may be suffering from a different issue
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:48] <kisielk> yeah
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:55] <kisielk> I'm the one who originally started the thread though!
[02-Nov-2009 16:30:57] <rmatte> what error are you getting?
[02-Nov-2009 16:31:03] <kisielk> people hijacked it :(
[02-Nov-2009 16:31:07] <rmatte> oh, right
[02-Nov-2009 16:31:09] <rmatte> let me check
[02-Nov-2009 16:31:26] <kisielk> if you look at the first post
[02-Nov-2009 16:31:32] <kisielk> I describe the symptoms
[02-Nov-2009 16:31:56] <rmatte> I was replying to someone who hijacked the thread lol, thinking that they were responding with a similar issue (sorry, didn't check)
[02-Nov-2009 16:32:18] <rmatte> I'm not sure about your particular issue unfortunately
[02-Nov-2009 16:32:34] <kisielk> okay
[02-Nov-2009 16:38:13] <rmatte> hmmm, do you have the ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail ZenPack installed by any chance?
[02-Nov-2009 16:43:22] <rmatte> kisielk?
[02-Nov-2009 16:43:29] <kisielk> no
[02-Nov-2009 16:44:20] <kisielk> I have networking.HPProcuve, and zenoss.HPmonitor
[02-Nov-2009 16:44:31] <rmatte> ok, and that's it that's all?
[02-Nov-2009 16:49:22] <rmatte> hmmm, just checked my zenstatus.log, no issues
[02-Nov-2009 16:51:31] <rmatte> actually, the advanced device details pack works fine (just tested it)
[02-Nov-2009 16:51:32] <rmatte> hmmm
[02-Nov-2009 16:56:16] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: yeh, some of the fairly common issues that people are having after upgrading aren't even related to the WMI Data Source ZenPack apparently
[02-Nov-2009 16:56:23] <rmatte> not sure what's causing them
[02-Nov-2009 16:56:39] <rmatte> there's people having issues with zenrender, where it just keeps cycling but never completes a cycle
[02-Nov-2009 16:56:55] <rmatte> zenstatus rather
[02-Nov-2009 16:57:36] <rmatte> and there are a few other problems
[02-Nov-2009 16:59:10] <mrayzenoss> well, I've got the devs and qa watching the forums closer for upgrade issues… we fix what we find
[02-Nov-2009 16:59:18] <rmatte> cool
[02-Nov-2009 17:04:40] mrayzenoss1 is now known as mrayzenoss
[02-Nov-2009 17:05:59] <rmatte> Matt, do you remember what event class Chet said that Zenoss looks at for interface status?
[02-Nov-2009 17:06:26] <mrayzenoss> not off the top of my head, sorry
[02-Nov-2009 17:06:35] <rmatte> k
[02-Nov-2009 17:06:36] <mrayzenoss> I'm going to add an announcement about the WMI ZenPack
[02-Nov-2009 17:06:44] <rmatte> good stuff
[02-Nov-2009 17:06:48] <mrayzenoss> throw it up on the download page, zenoss-users and zenoss-zenpacks
[02-Nov-2009 17:06:58] <rmatte> I tried out the advanced device details pack to make sure it works and it seems to work fine
[02-Nov-2009 17:07:15] <rmatte> so the WMI pack seems to be the only culprit for now
[02-Nov-2009 17:08:29] <rmatte> I need to figure out what Class it looks at for the status since I'm planning on modifying docs/DOC-2494 to make it more useful for 2.5 (though it will still work fine in 2.4.5 or earlier after the modification)
[02-Nov-2009 17:11:21] <mrayzenoss> does the WMI ZenPack break Zenoss 2.5 or just not work?
[02-Nov-2009 17:12:30] <rmatte> breaks it
[02-Nov-2009 17:12:37] <rmatte> at least I haven't been able to recover it
[02-Nov-2009 17:12:53] <rmatte> it keeps most of the daemons from starting (if not all, can't remember)
[02-Nov-2009 17:13:00] <rmatte> prevents the user from using the zenpack command to remove it
[02-Nov-2009 17:13:08] <rmatte> and prevents the user from running zendmd
[02-Nov-2009 17:13:14] <rmatte> so it effectively cripples the ZenPack install
[02-Nov-2009 17:13:24] <mrayzenoss> and the new stuff Egor checked in?
[02-Nov-2009 17:13:36] <rmatte> Works fine, but it's not exactly release ready
[02-Nov-2009 17:13:49] <mrayzenoss> hmm… he checked in some more over the weekend
[02-Nov-2009 17:13:50] <rmatte> still missing some stuff, according to Egor
[02-Nov-2009 17:14:03] <mrayzenoss> I guess I should beta that for him
[02-Nov-2009 17:14:04] <rmatte> you'd be best to just send him a message on the community site asking him
[02-Nov-2009 17:14:29] <rmatte> once he is satisfied with it, then we'll beta it, and release it
[02-Nov-2009 17:21:30] <mrayzenoss> ok, posted as announcements on the download page and on the user and zenpack forums as posts and announcements
[02-Nov-2009 17:21:39] <rmatte> just saw, good stuff
[02-Nov-2009 17:22:23] <rmatte> message/41498#41498 <--- Looks like the jabber bot pack doesn't play nice with 2.5
[02-Nov-2009 17:22:54] <rmatte> actually, was that a community pack?
[02-Nov-2009 17:23:06] <rmatte> ah so it was
[02-Nov-2009 17:23:14] <rmatte> I'll send Colin a message about it
[02-Nov-2009 17:24:21] <mrayzenoss> thanks
[02-Nov-2009 17:24:38] <mrayzenoss> chudler: you hear that? message/41498
[02-Nov-2009 17:24:45] <mrayzenoss> for later :)
[02-Nov-2009 17:24:52] <mrayzenoss> I gotta run, see you guys tomorrow
[02-Nov-2009 17:25:21] <rmatte> yeh, I just sent him a message about ti
[02-Nov-2009 17:25:24] <rmatte> it*
[02-Nov-2009 17:25:25] <rmatte> later
[02-Nov-2009 17:36:28] <Skaag> Zenoss discovered many IP's that are the same server... how do I join them together? :-)
[02-Nov-2009 17:36:54] <rmatte> Skaag: ummm, what do you mean, during an autodiscovery?
[02-Nov-2009 17:36:59] <Skaag> yep
[02-Nov-2009 17:37:05] <Skaag> or maybe i'm thinking about this the wrong way
[02-Nov-2009 17:37:26] <Skaag> but yes, definitely two virtual ip's that are on the same server physically
[02-Nov-2009 17:37:27] <rmatte> just remove all of the devices except the one that has the main IP, then properly model the device via SNMP and it will pick up the interfaces with their IP addresses
[02-Nov-2009 17:38:08] <Skaag> cool, sounds like a good plan
[02-Nov-2009 17:38:57] <Skaag> Today I finally managed to find out why my hp switch's snmp did not function
[02-Nov-2009 17:39:07] <Skaag> and this, after 4 days of HP engineer trying to find the problem
[02-Nov-2009 17:39:17] <Skaag> in the end, I read the manual, and found an anomaly, and managed to fix it
[02-Nov-2009 17:41:06] <Skaag> which is funny because the reason I emailed HP support, was to avoid RTFM
[02-Nov-2009 17:41:17] <Skaag> but the universe wanted me to RTFM
[02-Nov-2009 17:41:18] <Skaag> :-)
[02-Nov-2009 17:42:13] <rmatte> lol
[02-Nov-2009 17:43:08] <Skaag> for the universe, we are all noobs
[02-Nov-2009 17:43:43] <rmatte> yup
[02-Nov-2009 17:50:29] <rmatte> well, time for me to head home, adios
[02-Nov-2009 17:50:49] <Skaag> seeya rmatte and thanks
[02-Nov-2009 17:50:52] <rmatte> np
[02-Nov-2009 17:52:41] <scratchme> Is there a free plugin for sending/receiving an email to verify SMTP/POP3 actually work, not just the ports open?
[02-Nov-2009 17:53:23] <rmatte> scratchme: no, you'd have to code something yourself and implement it (which isn't super difficult if you use command based data sources)
[02-Nov-2009 17:53:40] <rmatte> scratchme: or find a Nagios plugin that does it, and set it up in Zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 17:53:40] <davetoo> is there not a nagios plugin?
[02-Nov-2009 17:54:08] <rmatte> davetoo: either way, he still needs to configure it using command based datasources
[02-Nov-2009 17:54:28] <scratchme> It just seems like something that would already be done.
[02-Nov-2009 17:54:51] <rmatte> nope
[02-Nov-2009 17:54:51] <davetoo> yep
[02-Nov-2009 17:54:56] <davetoo> Enterprise
[02-Nov-2009 17:55:08] <rmatte> yeh, enterprise has all sorts of extra stuff
[02-Nov-2009 17:55:18] <scratchme> Right, but I'm a cheap bastard.
[02-Nov-2009 17:55:25] <scratchme> I can admit it freely.
[02-Nov-2009 17:55:29] <rmatte> but with core they give you the basics but allow you to build functionality on top of it
[02-Nov-2009 17:55:44] <rmatte> which is how I get half of our monitoring done
[02-Nov-2009 17:55:48] <rmatte> I write custom scripts
[02-Nov-2009 17:55:56] <scratchme> Nagios appears to be a competing product or am I misunderstanding?
[02-Nov-2009 17:56:17] <rmatte> Nagios is an alternate monitoring tool, but Zenoss supports Nagios plugins
[02-Nov-2009 17:56:44] <rmatte> so if you can find a Nagios plugin somewhere that can be used to do that you can implement it with Zenoss quite easily
[02-Nov-2009 17:57:20] <scratchme> I see what you mean now. Thanks for newbie-fying it for me.
[02-Nov-2009 17:57:27] <rmatte> all good
[02-Nov-2009 17:57:37] <rmatte> we seem to have a lot of new interest in Zenoss today
[02-Nov-2009 17:57:46] <rmatte> I haven't seen so many noobs in a while :)
[02-Nov-2009 17:58:02] <scratchme> I've been using it a while, but just real basic stuff.
[02-Nov-2009 17:58:10] <scratchme> Port probing, ping, etc
[02-Nov-2009 17:58:17] <rmatte> ah
[02-Nov-2009 17:58:33] <rmatte> yeh, I've been using it to do all sorts of custom monitoring
[02-Nov-2009 17:58:51] <rmatte> it's nice how flexible it is
[02-Nov-2009 17:59:01] <rmatte> just takes a bit of work to get some stuff setup
[02-Nov-2009 17:59:35] <davetoo> I'm having a rough day with zenoss today
[02-Nov-2009 17:59:50] <rmatte> davetoo: upgraded to 2.5 did you?
[02-Nov-2009 17:59:50] <scratchme> rmatte, Are there some reference sites you use for scripting?
[02-Nov-2009 17:59:51] <rmatte> lol
[02-Nov-2009 17:59:59] <davetoo> nope
[02-Nov-2009 18:00:16] <rmatte> scratchme: not really, I just learned bits and pieces from people in here, and docs all over the place
[02-Nov-2009 18:00:31] <rmatte> scratchme: you really just need to understand that it needs to output in nagios format
[02-Nov-2009 18:00:33] <davetoo> just trying to replicate my 2.4.5 development system onto the production systems; having a hell of a time with the remote collector deployments.
[02-Nov-2009 18:00:42] <scratchme> rmatte, So, no consolidated Fine Manual to slap me with?
[02-Nov-2009 18:01:04] <rmatte> scratchme: I assume you're aware of the Zenoss Admin Guide and Zenoss Developer's Guide?
[02-Nov-2009 18:01:29] <scratchme> rmatte, lemme go review those. It's been a while, and I'm not sure I ever bothered to read the dev one.
[02-Nov-2009 18:01:50] <scratchme> community/documentation
[02-Nov-2009 18:01:52] <rmatte> I've read parts of the dev one, haven't read it all the way through
[02-Nov-2009 18:01:54] <scratchme> This looks promising.
[02-Nov-2009 18:01:55] <rmatte> I plan to eventually
[02-Nov-2009 18:02:12] <rmatte> yeh, there's a lot of stuff in there too
[02-Nov-2009 18:02:17] <rmatte> it's just kind of scattered
[02-Nov-2009 18:02:18] <rmatte> lol
[02-Nov-2009 18:02:33] <rmatte> scratchme: you can always look at existing ZenPacks too for examples
[02-Nov-2009 18:02:35] <scratchme> I have version 2.3.2. Should I upgrade?
[02-Nov-2009 18:02:59] <rmatte> scratchme: my Windows SNMP Performance Monitor ZenPacks use scripts that I coded to output in Nagios plugin format for instance
[02-Nov-2009 18:03:06] <scratchme> I think I have 5 or 6 servers monitored, with maybe 6 ports on some.
[02-Nov-2009 18:03:10] <rmatte> scratchme: quite a few other ZenPacks are similar
[02-Nov-2009 18:03:28] <scratchme> Okay, I'll try that.
[02-Nov-2009 18:03:28] <davetoo> from 2.3.2? hell yes
[02-Nov-2009 18:03:36] <rmatte> scratchme: the new Synthetic Transactions ZenPack uses the Nagios collector plugin format too
[02-Nov-2009 18:03:41] <davetoo> mind the upgrade sequence requirements, thouhg;
[02-Nov-2009 18:04:10] <rmatte> davetoo: he can just upgrade straight to 2.4.5, can't upgrade straight to 2.5 though
[02-Nov-2009 18:04:10] <davetoo> I usually feel better, where I can afford to lose the RRD data, I like to start fresh
[02-Nov-2009 18:04:53] <scratchme> Maybe I'll capture the data on the admin pages before I bother just incase I have to re-setup the system.
[02-Nov-2009 18:05:00] <rmatte> scratchme: after upgrading to 2.4.5 read this: docs/DOC-4434
[02-Nov-2009 18:05:26] <rmatte> It's a little Post-2.4.5 install guide that I wrote
[02-Nov-2009 18:05:30] <scratchme> It would be better to stay pre-2.5 then?
[02-Nov-2009 18:05:46] <rmatte> I'd recommend upgrading to 2.4.5
[02-Nov-2009 18:05:50] <rmatte> and staying at that for the time being
[02-Nov-2009 18:05:57] <rmatte> 2.5 is not production ready yet in my opinion
[02-Nov-2009 18:06:16] <rmatte> but yeh, upgrade to 2.4.5 and follow the steps listed here: docs/DOC-4434
[02-Nov-2009 18:06:39] <rmatte> you need to upgrade to 2.4.x before upgrading to 2.5 anyways
[02-Nov-2009 18:08:05] <rmatte> scratchme: how did you install, via stack installer?
[02-Nov-2009 18:08:27] <scratchme> rmatte, tbh, I don't really recall.
[02-Nov-2009 18:08:40] <rmatte> what flavour of Linux are you running?
[02-Nov-2009 18:08:46] <rmatte> and what is your $ZENHOME directory?
[02-Nov-2009 18:08:51] <scratchme> I either used a VM image, or Debian and then added it.
[02-Nov-2009 18:09:15] <rmatte> what is your $ZENHOME directory? that's pretty much a dead giveaway
[02-Nov-2009 18:09:32] <rmatte> sudo su - zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 18:09:36] <rmatte> cd $ZENHOME
[02-Nov-2009 18:09:37] <rmatte> pwd
[02-Nov-2009 18:12:37] <scratchme> For some reason the console isn't logging me in. Stuck at password prompt.
[02-Nov-2009 18:12:44] <scratchme> I'll try an ssh.
[02-Nov-2009 18:13:22] <scratchme> Weird, worked right away.
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[02-Nov-2009 18:13:50] <scratchme> zenoss@zenoss1:/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss$ pwd
[02-Nov-2009 18:13:50] <scratchme> /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss
[02-Nov-2009 18:13:58] <rmatte> then you used stack installer
[02-Nov-2009 18:14:10] <rmatte> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/zenoss-stack-2.4.5-linux-x64.bin
[02-Nov-2009 18:14:14] <rmatte> download and run that to upgrade
[02-Nov-2009 18:14:27] <rmatte> Then follow these steps: docs/DOC-4434
[02-Nov-2009 18:14:47] <rmatte> and you'll be good until some stuff in 2.5 is fixed
[02-Nov-2009 18:14:47] <scratchme> uname -r returns this: 2.6.18.8.xs5.0.0.10.439
[02-Nov-2009 18:15:12] <rmatte> is it a 32bit or 64bit system?
[02-Nov-2009 18:15:32] <wdw> you want uname -p for that
[02-Nov-2009 18:15:58] <kobalt> or you could just do uname -a
[02-Nov-2009 18:15:58] <kobalt> lol
[02-Nov-2009 18:16:04] <rmatte> yeh, I always do uname -a
[02-Nov-2009 18:16:13] <scratchme> Linux zenoss1 2.6.18.8.xs5.0.0.10.439 #1 SMP Wed Aug 6 23:55:12 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[02-Nov-2009 18:16:43] <wdw> those extra bytes down the wire hure the poor trucks carrying our tubes.. why oh why won't someone think of the trucks
[02-Nov-2009 18:16:46] <rmatte> you really need to correct your date/time on there
[02-Nov-2009 18:16:49] <rmatte> it's not 2008 anymore
[02-Nov-2009 18:16:50] <rmatte> :)
[02-Nov-2009 18:17:03] <rmatte> apt-get install ntpdate && ntpdate ntp.nasa.gov
[02-Nov-2009 18:17:07] <scratchme> Interesting
[02-Nov-2009 18:17:41] <Aziraphale> compile date
[02-Nov-2009 18:17:53] <rmatte> ah
[02-Nov-2009 18:17:55] <rmatte> right
[02-Nov-2009 18:18:08] <rmatte> needs an update then :P
[02-Nov-2009 18:18:10] <wdw> and you mocked me for selectively displaying the required info ;)
[02-Nov-2009 18:18:30] <rmatte> either way, that should be 64bit
[02-Nov-2009 18:18:55] <rmatte> actually
[02-Nov-2009 18:19:13] <rmatte> there's no "x86_64" showing
[02-Nov-2009 18:19:25] <rmatte> Linux gen01 2.6.24-19-server #1 SMP Wed Aug 20 18:43:06 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02-Nov-2009 18:19:37] <scratchme> So I need the x86 one.
[02-Nov-2009 18:19:44] <rmatte> looks like
[02-Nov-2009 18:19:48] <rmatte> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/zenoss-stack-2.4.5-linux.bin
[02-Nov-2009 18:19:56] <rmatte> that be the one
[02-Nov-2009 18:20:14] <rmatte> I need to take off and head home
[02-Nov-2009 18:20:18] <rmatte> talk to you guys later
[02-Nov-2009 18:21:12] <rmatte> From chudler in regards to the XMPP ZenPack issues with 2.5:
[02-Nov-2009 18:21:42] <rmatte> Thanks for the report. I found and fixed this problem on 7 OCT 09 in <http://zenpacks.zenoss.org/trac-zenpacks/changeset/401>. I haven't built a new egg yet. I expect to release the updated version on Wed. Sorry for the problem, I didn't know it would fail in 2.5; when I first saw the bug, I was testing some completely unrelated functionality on 2.4.5.
[02-Nov-2009 18:22:26] <rmatte> That's why I'm waiting for everyone to get their act together with 2.5 before upgrading :)
[02-Nov-2009 18:22:41] <wdw> I'm beginning to regrethaving started with 2.5 now
[02-Nov-2009 18:23:18] <davetoo> oh
[02-Nov-2009 18:23:18] <davetoo> yes
[02-Nov-2009 18:23:20] <wdw> my prefernece is that the only potential screwup in the process is me, so I can isolate the issue to me
[02-Nov-2009 18:23:24] <rmatte> wdw: If you're using it for prod I'd suggest installing 2.4.5, otherwise just hold on for the time being and hopefully it'll get better soon
[02-Nov-2009 18:23:25] <davetoo> it's so shiny and new
[02-Nov-2009 18:23:40] <wdw> rmatte: nowhere near prod yet :)
[02-Nov-2009 18:24:11] <rmatte> wdw: then just hold on and hopefully it'll be useable by 2.5.1 or 2.5.2 (though I predict that I won't actually like it until 2.5.3)
[02-Nov-2009 18:24:25] <rmatte> I didn't like 2.3 until 2.3.3
[02-Nov-2009 18:24:45] <rmatte> didn't like 2.4 until 2.4.3 (but then there were bugs found which pushed it up to 2.4.5 in like 2 days lol)
[02-Nov-2009 18:24:52] <rmatte> and then there were those 3 patches
[02-Nov-2009 18:25:01] <rmatte> now I'm quite happy with it, so it's staying as is for now
[02-Nov-2009 18:25:24] <rmatte> I'm not upgrading 11 Zenoss Core servers until I'm fully happy with where 2.5 is at
[02-Nov-2009 18:25:37] <davetoo> I forgot to apply my own patches to this new system :)
[02-Nov-2009 18:25:40] <rmatte> anyways, I'm out of here, good night folks
[02-Nov-2009 18:25:45] <scratchme> 'night thx
[02-Nov-2009 18:25:49] <rmatte> np
[02-Nov-2009 21:46:41] <cmdln> where can I get good documentation on transforms?
[02-Nov-2009 21:46:52] <cmdln> like what is available evt.blah
[02-Nov-2009 21:46:58] <cmdln> etc ..
[02-Nov-2009 21:47:06] <cmdln> im struggling with this stupid transform
[02-Nov-2009 21:54:36] <cmdln> event transforms are inherited arent they?
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[03-Nov-2009 03:02:31] <swarog> after reinstallation and upgrade from 2.4 to 2.5, can i just zenrestore from previously backup>?
[03-Nov-2009 03:04:22] <swarog> hmm
[03-Nov-2009 03:04:48] <swarog> restored from file previously backed up by "zenbackup --save-mysql-access --file /tmp/zenoss-backup.tgz"
[03-Nov-2009 03:05:05] <swarog> when i open zenoss in browser it offers me new installation
[03-Nov-2009 03:11:03] <swarog> hitting submit on qs-step1 page doesnt do anything
[03-Nov-2009 03:14:57] <swarog> getting http://pastebin.com/m62d5957c in zeo.log each time i hit "submit"
[03-Nov-2009 03:15:08] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[03-Nov-2009 03:22:12] <swarog> ok, now ive removed the package and installed it again
[03-Nov-2009 03:22:17] <swarog> this time installation failed
[03-Nov-2009 03:26:38] <swarog> http://pastebin.com/m3622294
[03-Nov-2009 03:26:57] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[03-Nov-2009 03:36:49] <swarog> oh boy, second installation attempt resulted in yet another error
[03-Nov-2009 03:38:16] <swarog> my bad this time "no space left on device"
[03-Nov-2009 06:03:35] <Skaag> is it possible to install just a collector?
[03-Nov-2009 06:25:34] <Troubadix09> hi all
[03-Nov-2009 06:53:30] krphop_afk is now known as krphop
[03-Nov-2009 08:24:47] <Guest2140> hello
[03-Nov-2009 08:24:52] <Guest2140> good morning
[03-Nov-2009 08:27:04] <Guest2140> some now where is the directory too put the mibs
[03-Nov-2009 08:28:06] <Guest2140> in the vmware zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 08:46:14] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: /usr/share/mibs/site ... if not exist, create the dir "site" with user/group = zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 08:46:56] <Guest2140> im folow the document you send me yesterday
[03-Nov-2009 08:46:59] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: create a symbolic link from $ZENHOME/share to /usr/share
[03-Nov-2009 08:48:14] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: If not exist, create a symbolic link from $ZENHOME/libexec to /usr/libexec
[03-Nov-2009 08:48:28] <Guest2140> not exist
[03-Nov-2009 08:48:30] <Guest2140> i create
[03-Nov-2009 08:49:21] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: and insert the following line in your .profile
[03-Nov-2009 08:49:34] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: export SMIPATH=/home/zenoss/share/mibs/:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/iana:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/irtf:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/site:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/site/3Com:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/site/dell:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/site/hp:/home/zenoss/share/mibs/tubs
[03-Nov-2009 08:49:51] <Guest2140> where is my .profile?
[03-Nov-2009 08:50:01] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: In one Line with no space
[03-Nov-2009 08:50:15] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: $ZENHOME/.profile
[03-Nov-2009 08:50:26] <Guest2140> ok
[03-Nov-2009 08:50:38] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: as root: su - zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 08:51:28] <Troubadix09> Guest: btw become user zenoss for my advise above
[03-Nov-2009 08:51:34] <rmatte> good morning guys
[03-Nov-2009 08:51:39] <Troubadix09> hi rmatte
[03-Nov-2009 08:51:42] <rmatte> hey
[03-Nov-2009 08:51:49] <mrayzenoss> morning
[03-Nov-2009 08:51:49] <Guest2140> good morning
[03-Nov-2009 08:51:59] <rmatte> well, time to mess around with bcfg2 this morning
[03-Nov-2009 08:52:09] <Troubadix09> good afternoon mrayzenoss
[03-Nov-2009 08:52:09] <rmatte> I'm anxious to see what I can do with it
[03-Nov-2009 08:53:17] <mrayzenoss> Troubadix09: greetings
[03-Nov-2009 08:53:25] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: sounds cool, looking forward to it
[03-Nov-2009 08:54:42] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: I'm going to see if I can write something for it to control the deployment of ZenPacks
[03-Nov-2009 08:55:04] <rmatte> eugh, and my workstation is running unbelievable slow right now for whatever reason
[03-Nov-2009 08:56:03] <rmatte> I love that my workstation has better uptime than most of our servers: 09:53:45 up 94 days, 20:36, 3 users, load average: 0.58, 0.41, 0.31
[03-Nov-2009 09:01:59] <Guest2140> Troubadix09: ready
[03-Nov-2009 09:02:17] <Guest2140> now, put my mib inside /site?
[03-Nov-2009 09:03:48] <mdereus> rmatte: Saw your post on the forum, I did do a backup before upgrading to 2.5, but unsure what I should do at this point. Restore the backup or just wait for 2.5.1 and start over.
[03-Nov-2009 09:08:24] <cmdln> hello
[03-Nov-2009 09:09:15] <mrayzenoss> greetings
[03-Nov-2009 09:09:41] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: are you user zenoss?
[03-Nov-2009 09:09:51] <Guest2140> yes
[03-Nov-2009 09:09:59] <cmdln> I have an event transform that merges two devices, if evt.device == '192.168.1.2': evt.device = 'device'
[03-Nov-2009 09:10:13] <Guest2140> it my first time
[03-Nov-2009 09:10:36] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: copy, transfer, move, download or whatever your MIB-file(s) to $ZENHOME/share/mibs/site
[03-Nov-2009 09:10:40] <cmdln> the transform works fine, when I go to Classes | Devices I see teh color thing change and the number count increase (from the transformed traps)
[03-Nov-2009 09:11:02] <cmdln> what does not work, is the dashboard. Nothing shows up as having any issues
[03-Nov-2009 09:11:17] <Guest2140> ok,
[03-Nov-2009 09:11:17] <cmdln> did I need to add something else to the event transform?
[03-Nov-2009 09:11:21] <Guest2140> ready
[03-Nov-2009 09:13:04] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: If you want, make subdirectories under .../site, like "dell", "hp", "cisco" or whatever, to sort your mibs, but it is not needed
[03-Nov-2009 09:13:39] <Guest2140> after copy my mib
[03-Nov-2009 09:13:42] <Guest2140> and organize
[03-Nov-2009 09:13:54] <Guest2140> i need to run zenmib?
[03-Nov-2009 09:16:43] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: yes, but if you want MIBs import to zenoss together in one step, don't sort them in subdirectories
[03-Nov-2009 09:16:59] <Guest2140> ok
[03-Nov-2009 09:17:18] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: in my case i sort them, because i import them step by step over long time
[03-Nov-2009 09:17:32] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: when i need them
[03-Nov-2009 09:17:38] <Guest2140> ok
[03-Nov-2009 09:17:46] <Guest2140> for the momento only need
[03-Nov-2009 09:17:49] <Guest2140> is fortigate
[03-Nov-2009 09:17:52] <Guest2140> an 3com
[03-Nov-2009 09:17:57] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: when they all in /site
[03-Nov-2009 09:18:18] <Guest2140> yes
[03-Nov-2009 09:18:22] <Guest2140> all in site
[03-Nov-2009 09:19:19] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: run "zenmib run -v10 * >&./log/zenmib.log" to have a logfile
[03-Nov-2009 09:20:26] <Guest2140> such or file dont exist
[03-Nov-2009 09:20:34] <Guest2140> is the advert
[03-Nov-2009 09:20:47] <Guest2140> sorry
[03-Nov-2009 09:20:49] <Guest2140> No such file or directory
[03-Nov-2009 09:27:23] <gwb2351> i'm trying to install the ZenPacks.Iwillfearnoevil.Domain-1.0.3-py2.4.egg referenced in this thread thread/11816?start=0&tstart=0 and get the error "ERROR: zenpack command failed. Reason: A ZenPack egg must contain exactly one zenoss.zenpacks entry point. This egg appears to contain 0 such entry points." Suggestions?
[03-Nov-2009 09:27:30] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Can Zenoss monitor ssl cert expiration... (at community.zenoss.org)
[03-Nov-2009 09:27:55] <mrayzenoss> gwb2351: does the file end with .zip?
[03-Nov-2009 09:28:06] <mrayzenoss> gwb2351: you probably need to unzip it first
[03-Nov-2009 09:28:06] <gwb2351> no; i renamed it to just .egg
[03-Nov-2009 09:28:10] <mdereus> gwb2351: extract the .egg file from the .zip
[03-Nov-2009 09:28:14] <gwb2351> duh, thanks
[03-Nov-2009 09:29:25] <gwb2351> I haven't done this enough times, the "Select the ZenPack .zip file to upload and install" dialog always throws me off
[03-Nov-2009 09:30:37] <gwb2351> new error now, "ERROR: zenpack command failed. Reason: No module named Iwillfearnoevil.Domain"
[03-Nov-2009 09:31:46] <Skaag> I added snmp to a host that was auto discovered, how do I tell Zenoss to start polling the snmp service?
[03-Nov-2009 09:33:18] <gwb2351> but, doing it from the command line on the hub everything is good, so plz ignore
[03-Nov-2009 09:37:44] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: try zenmib run -v10 * &>./log/zenmib.log
[03-Nov-2009 09:38:42] <mdereus> gwb2351: I've had that problem (I'm a noob myself) and tried it one or two more times then it worked.
[03-Nov-2009 09:39:14] <gwb2351> i'll be thrilled if we can dump our nagios plugins that monitor cert expiration
[03-Nov-2009 09:57:48] <mrayzenoss> gwb2351: we changed the wording of the ZenPack installer with 2.5
[03-Nov-2009 09:57:58] <mrayzenoss> "Select the ZenPack file to upload and install."
[03-Nov-2009 09:58:25] <jrock2004> Sorry guys I have not been on for a bit
[03-Nov-2009 09:58:56] <mrayzenoss> gwb2351: BTW, I'll be officially posting that ZenPack today if I get the cycles for it
[03-Nov-2009 10:12:19] <mrayzenoss> If you're running source builds: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5765
[03-Nov-2009 10:18:38] <cmdln> Is there something special I have to do in order to get the event notification icons to notify at higher levels on the device class tree?
[03-Nov-2009 10:18:57] <cmdln> correction, something special when doing an event transform
[03-Nov-2009 10:19:19] <cmdln> thread/11886?tstart=0
[03-Nov-2009 10:19:26] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Event Transform to merge devices (at community.zenoss.org)
[03-Nov-2009 10:23:25] <swarog> wmi zenpack works with 2.5?
[03-Nov-2009 10:23:36] <swarog> i see that wmi data source is not
[03-Nov-2009 10:24:18] <mrayzenoss> not yet, the author is still working on it
[03-Nov-2009 10:24:34] <swarog> i hope its going to be released soon
[03-Nov-2009 10:25:14] <cmdln> no ideas on merging devices with event transforms?
[03-Nov-2009 10:41:34] <Guest2140> i need your help
[03-Nov-2009 10:41:45] <Guest2140> after run zenmib
[03-Nov-2009 10:42:03] <Guest2140> my zenoss stop to work
[03-Nov-2009 10:42:21] <Guest2140> i restart vmware
[03-Nov-2009 10:42:38] <Guest2140> and have a lot of error
[03-Nov-2009 11:02:59] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: What says the log-file, what errors, what say (as user zenoss) zenoss status
[03-Nov-2009 11:03:43] <Guest2140> sorry, troubadix09
[03-Nov-2009 11:04:01] <Guest2140> but i run the command without file
[03-Nov-2009 11:04:10] <Guest2140> and i dont have log file
[03-Nov-2009 11:04:23] <Guest2140> i am in trouble
[03-Nov-2009 11:04:53] <Guest2140> i need too go too lucnch
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:15] <Troubadix09> oh, lunch, thats trouble enough
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:20] <Troubadix09> hehe
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:22] <cmdln> mmm
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:28] <cmdln> wth
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:30] <Guest2140> i be back in one houere
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:41] <Guest2140> dont worry
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:47] <Troubadix09> i be back tomorrow
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:50] <cmdln> so I added a couple things to my event transform
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:57] <rmatte> cmdln: define "merging"
[03-Nov-2009 11:05:58] <Guest2140> i only try
[03-Nov-2009 11:06:16] <Guest2140> is on testing platyaform
[03-Nov-2009 11:06:24] <cmdln> two devices seen as only one
[03-Nov-2009 11:06:47] <cmdln> I added >
[03-Nov-2009 11:06:47] <cmdln> >
[03-Nov-2009 11:06:48] <rmatte> cmdln: I've seen people try to do that in the past and not have much luck
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:07] <rmatte> cmdln: I know how I'd go about doing it, I just don't know how well Zenoss would handle it
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:22] <rmatte> First off, why do you need to do that?
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:34] <rmatte> 1 active and 1 standby?
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:37] <cmdln> I dont want everydevice showing up twice
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:37] <Guest2140> how is teh best forme too put on production?
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:47] <cmdln> because its really one device
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:50] <Guest2140> vmware or intall on distro?
[03-Nov-2009 11:07:52] <rmatte> why would you have every device showing up twice in the first place?
[03-Nov-2009 11:08:07] <rmatte> that's what I'm trying to understand
[03-Nov-2009 11:08:13] <cmdln> snmp running in OS, snmp traps from light out card
[03-Nov-2009 11:08:20] <rmatte> ah
[03-Nov-2009 11:08:26] <cmdln> i have it partially working
[03-Nov-2009 11:08:39] <rmatte> the proper way to do it is to have the ILO forward the traps to the OS, and then have the OS forward them on to Zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 11:09:01] <cmdln> humm
[03-Nov-2009 11:09:20] <cmdln> well does anyone know how to configure ucd snmpd to do that?
[03-Nov-2009 11:09:29] <Troubadix09> Guest2140: there different opinions
[03-Nov-2009 11:09:40] <Guest2140> and yours
[03-Nov-2009 11:11:38] <Troubadix09> Guest: I think with a little enlargement the VM-Appliance work for low up to medium Network,
[03-Nov-2009 11:13:27] <Troubadix09> Guest: First I try an ubuntu stack install, but after some Time the zenoss hangs repeatedly from time to time, as more devices I add
[03-Nov-2009 11:14:07] <Troubadix09> Guest: Now I use the VM-Appliance with some enlargement, at it works stable and fine for me
[03-Nov-2009 11:14:17] <Troubadix09> Guest: at=and
[03-Nov-2009 11:14:41] <Guest2140> OK
[03-Nov-2009 11:14:44] <Guest2140> thanks
[03-Nov-2009 11:15:16] <Troubadix09> Guest: and its easy to update
[03-Nov-2009 11:15:37] <Troubadix09> Guest: via rpath-web-gui or conary
[03-Nov-2009 11:15:46] <Guest2140> i am probing on vmware
[03-Nov-2009 11:16:26] <rmatte> cmdln: check google, I'm sure there's a guide somewhere
[03-Nov-2009 11:16:27] <Guest2140> on a future we have instal blade chasis
[03-Nov-2009 11:16:50] <Troubadix09> Guest: another possibility ist to install distro on VM
[03-Nov-2009 11:17:33] <Guest2140> and we have posibility to use one page to vitual machines
[03-Nov-2009 11:17:57] <cmdln> I run zenoss on a vm
[03-Nov-2009 11:18:03] <cmdln> but i use Xen not Vmware
[03-Nov-2009 11:19:14] <Guest2140> for now i using vmware, but my idea is use suse linux wiht xen, it is posible?
[03-Nov-2009 11:19:21] <cmdln> sure
[03-Nov-2009 11:19:36] <cmdln> you can use vmware though if your more comfortable with it
[03-Nov-2009 11:20:43] <Troubadix09> cmdln: I think it run on every VM, like Windows Virtual Server or another Host-System, am I right?
[03-Nov-2009 11:20:56] <cmdln> sure
[03-Nov-2009 11:21:09] <cmdln> vm is really no different than bare metal
[03-Nov-2009 11:21:27] <Guest2140> we are usin vmware becouse hear all is windows
[03-Nov-2009 11:21:32] <cmdln> as long as your chosen os/distro will run zenoss you can run whatever you want
[03-Nov-2009 11:21:37] <Guest2140> i try too change some thinks
[03-Nov-2009 11:22:27] <Troubadix09> Guest: Using VMware VSphere4 or ESX-VI 3.5 is on Linux
[03-Nov-2009 11:22:47] <Troubadix09> Guest: also the free ESXi
[03-Nov-2009 11:25:52] <Guest2140> i try too doo two thinks
[03-Nov-2009 11:26:09] <Guest2140> control isp and another thinks using zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 11:26:18] <Guest2140> and profiles romte
[03-Nov-2009 11:26:21] <Guest2140> remote
[03-Nov-2009 11:28:38] <rmatte> Guest2140: remote windows profiles you mean?
[03-Nov-2009 11:28:45] <rmatte> Guest2140: Zenoss can't do anything with those
[03-Nov-2009 11:29:02] <rmatte> like roaming profiles?
[03-Nov-2009 11:29:17] <Guest2140> no
[03-Nov-2009 11:29:28] <Guest2140> the are two difernent proyect
[03-Nov-2009 11:31:29] <rmatte> Guest2140: do you speak french?
[03-Nov-2009 11:31:41] <Guest2140> no
[03-Nov-2009 11:31:49] <Guest2140> spanish
[03-Nov-2009 11:32:03] <Guest2140> a litle of inglish
[03-Nov-2009 11:32:15] <rmatte> ok, saw you were in Buenos Aires or nearby and I know that French is one of the languages spoken there from time to time
[03-Nov-2009 11:32:27] <rmatte> thought I'd ask since I speak French
[03-Nov-2009 11:32:36] <Guest2140> how can change my name,
[03-Nov-2009 11:32:45] <Guest2140> im using pidgin
[03-Nov-2009 11:32:54] <rmatte> /nick whatever
[03-Nov-2009 11:33:08] Guest2140 is now known as mnandres
[03-Nov-2009 11:33:19] <mnandres> thnaks
[03-Nov-2009 11:33:25] <rmatte> no rpoblem
[03-Nov-2009 11:33:27] <rmatte> problem*
[03-Nov-2009 11:33:40] <mnandres> im from argentina
[03-Nov-2009 11:33:47] <rmatte> cool
[03-Nov-2009 11:34:10] <mnandres> where are you?
[03-Nov-2009 11:34:14] <rmatte> Canada
[03-Nov-2009 11:34:20] <mnandres> nice
[03-Nov-2009 11:35:51] <mnandres> and the others
[03-Nov-2009 11:35:58] <mnandres> troubadix
[03-Nov-2009 11:36:14] Bryanstein is now known as zz_Bryanstein
[03-Nov-2009 11:37:53] <Troubadix09> mnandres: Germany
[03-Nov-2009 11:38:00] <mnandres> guau
[03-Nov-2009 11:38:10] <mnandres> some manual of rpath
[03-Nov-2009 11:38:21] <mnandres> i need too configure linux proxys
[03-Nov-2009 11:39:10] <mrayzenoss> if you're looking to customize your Zenoss installation, you probably want a better platform than the VM from Zenoss. The rPath one is a pain to customize
[03-Nov-2009 11:39:45] <mnandres> i dont understand
[03-Nov-2009 11:40:11] <mrayzenoss> the VMware image supplied by Zenoss is very limited
[03-Nov-2009 11:40:13] <mnandres> i need to set another proxy to mi zenoss vmware machine
[03-Nov-2009 11:40:23] <mrayzenoss> ahh, sorry, misunderstood
[03-Nov-2009 11:40:34] <mnandres> that image is upgradeable?
[03-Nov-2009 11:41:53] <Troubadix09> mnandres: yes, read Upgrade-Section in Install-Manual
[03-Nov-2009 11:42:13] <Troubadix09> mnandres: chapter 8
[03-Nov-2009 11:42:17] <mnandres> i have tre manual
[03-Nov-2009 11:42:25] <mnandres> three
[03-Nov-2009 11:42:29] <Troubadix09> mnandres: point to 8.4
[03-Nov-2009 11:42:39] <Troubadix09> mnandres: on page 19
[03-Nov-2009 11:42:43] <mnandres> getting started
[03-Nov-2009 11:43:03] <mnandres> zenoss administartion
[03-Nov-2009 11:43:23] <mnandres> and zenoss extending monitorin
[03-Nov-2009 11:44:00] <kisielk> hmph, something is fukt in my Zenoss database :/
[03-Nov-2009 11:44:30] <kisielk> If I click on one of the processes in my process tree, I get a huge stack trace
[03-Nov-2009 11:45:30] <Troubadix09> mnandres: here are the "Zenoss Installation Guide" community/documentation download and read on chapter 8
[03-Nov-2009 11:45:38] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: Documentation (at community.zenoss.org)
[03-Nov-2009 11:47:35] <Troubadix09> mnandres: back to set up proxy for the zenoss-appliance
[03-Nov-2009 11:48:27] <Troubadix09> mnandres: go to https://ZENOSS-SERVER-IP:8003/rAA
[03-Nov-2009 11:48:57] <Troubadix09> mnandres: login and go to Configuration/Configure Proxy
[03-Nov-2009 11:50:29] <mnandres> user and pass?
[03-Nov-2009 11:51:45] <Troubadix09> mnandres: first time it is admin/password
[03-Nov-2009 11:52:00] <mnandres> mmmm
[03-Nov-2009 11:52:45] <Troubadix09> mnandres: change it immediatly
[03-Nov-2009 11:53:24] <Troubadix09> mnandres: I'm not sure, the pass could be "Password"
[03-Nov-2009 11:53:31] <mnandres> yes
[03-Nov-2009 11:53:34] <mnandres> it work
[03-Nov-2009 11:53:37] <mnandres> hehehehe
[03-Nov-2009 11:54:01] <jrock2004> rmatte: are you here?
[03-Nov-2009 11:54:13] <rmatte> yeh
[03-Nov-2009 11:54:16] <rmatte> what's up?
[03-Nov-2009 11:54:44] <jrock2004> rmatte: I wanted to ask if you if it is ok if I mention your name at my zenoss training on Wedsnday?
[03-Nov-2009 11:55:27] <rmatte> mention my name in relation to what?
[03-Nov-2009 11:55:28] <rmatte> lol
[03-Nov-2009 11:55:58] <jrock2004> As far as one of the helpers that our on the irc channel when needed
[03-Nov-2009 11:56:07] <jrock2004> I know there are a lot of them here
[03-Nov-2009 11:56:09] <rmatte> yup, no problem
[03-Nov-2009 11:56:17] <rmatte> I'm one of the "Zenoss Masters" anyways
[03-Nov-2009 11:56:33] <jrock2004> Oh and how do you get that title?
[03-Nov-2009 11:57:19] <rmatte> it's given by Zenoss Inc if they find that you are devoting a lot of time and effort to improving the Zenoss community
[03-Nov-2009 11:57:36] <rmatte> you also need to have a fairly high skill level with Zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 11:57:58] <rmatte> docs/DOC-2613
[03-Nov-2009 11:58:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - People (at community.zenoss.org)
[03-Nov-2009 11:58:15] <rmatte> read the Zenoss Masters section on that document for a better description
[03-Nov-2009 11:58:21] <rmatte> ooooh, adytum-bot is back!
[03-Nov-2009 11:59:23] <Troubadix09> Oh ... I make a bow in the direction to rmatte
[03-Nov-2009 11:59:35] <rmatte> hehe
[03-Nov-2009 11:59:46] <rmatte> please, please, hold the applause
[03-Nov-2009 11:59:51] <rmatte> :P
[03-Nov-2009 12:01:21] <kisielk> okay, how do I delete an object through ZenDMD ?
[03-Nov-2009 12:02:21] <kisielk> this one process entry is totally bombed, need to remove it
[03-Nov-2009 12:02:31] <jrock2004> rmatte: Thanks
[03-Nov-2009 12:02:54] <Troubadix09> ups ... 7:00PM here in Germany, worktime is over since a long time
[03-Nov-2009 12:03:28] <Troubadix09> right time for after-workk-party
[03-Nov-2009 12:03:30] <kisielk> if I try to delete this process through the manage zope interface, it backtraces
[03-Nov-2009 12:03:42] <kisielk> if I try to even click on it in Zenoss, also backtrace..
[03-Nov-2009 12:04:00] <Troubadix09> cu all
[03-Nov-2009 12:04:43] <rmatte> kisielk: like a process that shows up on the OS tab?
[03-Nov-2009 12:04:55] <kisielk> as in the Process/ tree
[03-Nov-2009 12:05:06] <kisielk> it's causing zenprocess to crash
[03-Nov-2009 12:05:18] <kisielk> presumably because something there is very wrong in the DB
[03-Nov-2009 12:05:23] <rmatte> like: /zport/dmd/Processes/manage
[03-Nov-2009 12:05:24] <rmatte> ?
[03-Nov-2009 12:05:26] <kisielk> yess
[03-Nov-2009 12:05:42] <rmatte> one sec, shouldn't be too hard...
[03-Nov-2009 12:07:27] <rmatte> dmd.Processes.manage_delObjects
[03-Nov-2009 12:07:35] <rmatte> so dmd.Processes.manage_delObjects('process name')
[03-Nov-2009 12:07:46] <rmatte> then commit()
[03-Nov-2009 12:08:52] <davetoo> These pysamba reactor polling countdown debug messages are incredibly annoyting
[03-Nov-2009 12:10:45] <kisielk> rmatte: okay, so what's going on here:
[03-Nov-2009 12:12:00] <kisielk> http://zenoss.pastebin.com/m13d29bc
[03-Nov-2009 12:12:12] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at zenoss.pastebin.com)
[03-Nov-2009 12:13:26] <rmatte> checking...
[03-Nov-2009 12:14:02] <rmatte> kisielk: try this...
[03-Nov-2009 12:14:09] <rmatte> p = dmd.Processes.findObject('servermgrd')
[03-Nov-2009 12:14:17] <rmatte> dmd.Processes.manage_delObjects(p)
[03-Nov-2009 12:14:24] <kisielk> yeah I tried that
[03-Nov-2009 12:14:30] <rmatte> same thing?
[03-Nov-2009 12:14:32] <kisielk> "TypeError: hasattr(): attribute name must be string"
[03-Nov-2009 12:14:57] <rmatte> hmmm ok, it's the right function it's just not liking what's being passed to it...
[03-Nov-2009 12:15:23] <rmatte> does it actually show up exactly as servermgrd in the management interface?
[03-Nov-2009 12:15:28] <kisielk> yes
[03-Nov-2009 12:16:02] <rmatte> is it an organizer or an object?
[03-Nov-2009 12:16:27] <rmatte> oh wait
[03-Nov-2009 12:16:33] <rmatte> try this
[03-Nov-2009 12:16:39] <kisielk> it's an object
[03-Nov-2009 12:16:48] <rmatte> dmd.Processes.osProcessClasses.manage_delObjects('servermgrd')
[03-Nov-2009 12:17:03] <rmatte> I just noticed that it wasn't directly under processes
[03-Nov-2009 12:17:10] <rmatte> let me double check that on my test server
[03-Nov-2009 12:17:33] <kisielk> no, same "does not exist" thing
[03-Nov-2009 12:18:36] <rmatte> ok let me try a few things myself
[03-Nov-2009 12:18:54] <kisielk> sure, thanks
[03-Nov-2009 12:21:30] <rmatte> I can't even get the findObject function to work
[03-Nov-2009 12:21:33] <rmatte> hmmm
[03-Nov-2009 12:22:24] <rmatte> >>> dmd.Processes.findObject('abcdefg123')
[03-Nov-2009 12:22:24] <rmatte> Traceback (most recent call last):
[03-Nov-2009 12:22:24] <rmatte> File "<console>", line 1, in ?
[03-Nov-2009 12:22:24] <rmatte> File "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/ZenPacker.py", line 65, in findObject
[03-Nov-2009 12:22:24] <rmatte> raise AttributeError('Cannot find a unique %s on %s' % (id, self.id))
[03-Nov-2009 12:22:24] <rmatte> AttributeError: Cannot find a unique abcdefg123 on Processes
[03-Nov-2009 12:24:31] <rmatte> oh wait nevermind
[03-Nov-2009 12:24:35] <rmatte> I had to restart zendmd
[03-Nov-2009 12:29:17] <rmatte> hmmm, never thought it would be this hard to delete an object
[03-Nov-2009 12:29:53] <davetoo> Must retrain brain: Add a Zenpack? Update the Collectors! (Or better yet, output NOTICE text to that effect when the zenpack tool exits)
[03-Nov-2009 12:30:36] <rmatte> lol
[03-Nov-2009 12:30:52] <rmatte> Add a ZenPack, restart Zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 12:30:53] <davetoo> the 'bot is back!
[03-Nov-2009 12:30:53] <rmatte> :P
[03-Nov-2009 12:30:54] <mrayzenoss> So everyone who wants to run Zenoss on Windows: blogs/linasoftware/2009/11/03/lina-softwares-cross-platform-port-of-zenoss-25
[03-Nov-2009 12:31:02] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Linux Apps Everywhere: Lina Software's Cross-platform Port of Zenoss 2.5 (at community.zenoss.org)
[03-Nov-2009 12:31:23] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: interesting
[03-Nov-2009 12:31:35] <mrayzenoss> yeah, they did it pretty much by themselves
[03-Nov-2009 12:31:35] <mdereus> Zenoss works too well on linux to make me even want to consider running it on Windows.
[03-Nov-2009 12:31:42] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: though I can't imagine why you'd want to run it on Windows other than for development purposes lol
[03-Nov-2009 12:32:05] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: development is better in Linux though too
[03-Nov-2009 12:32:13] <mdereus> my Zenoss server is the only linux box we have here aside from the VMware ESX servers
[03-Nov-2009 12:32:17] <mrayzenoss> well, that's the great thing about Open Source
[03-Nov-2009 12:33:16] <mnandres> some have zenpack for 3com swicthes
[03-Nov-2009 12:38:15] <kisielk> grrr
[03-Nov-2009 12:38:38] <rmatte> kisielk: I'm running out of ideas, I've tried everything I can think of
[03-Nov-2009 12:38:49] <rmatte> kisielk: I hate how stuff has to be so unobvious
[03-Nov-2009 12:41:37] <rmatte> kisielk: can't find where the code is stored that actually performs the action either
[03-Nov-2009 12:47:54] <rmatte> kisielk: you'd have to ask Chet or something
[03-Nov-2009 12:47:59] <rmatte> I give up
[03-Nov-2009 12:47:59] <rmatte> lol
[03-Nov-2009 12:50:37] <rmatte> never thought it would be that difficult to do, ridiculous
[03-Nov-2009 12:50:54] <cmdln> this is getting frustrating
[03-Nov-2009 12:50:55] <cmdln> heh
[03-Nov-2009 12:51:02] <cmdln> i must be an idiot
[03-Nov-2009 12:51:38] <rmatte> hmmm, food time, bbiab
[03-Nov-2009 12:57:07] <rmatte> back
[03-Nov-2009 13:05:55] <rmatte> mmmm, poutine
[03-Nov-2009 13:18:51] * __jd__ is having a strange problem with process alerts in both 2.4.5 and 2.5..
[03-Nov-2009 13:19:34] <__jd__> it seems to randomly pick a process to create an event on, and then consistently complain that it's down. When you go to check, you find that the process is actually running..
[03-Nov-2009 13:19:59] <__jd__> It'll keep complaining about that same process on that same server until you add another process. Then it switches to some other random process on some other random server
[03-Nov-2009 13:22:38] <__jd__> output is interesting too..
[03-Nov-2009 13:22:39] <__jd__> 2009-11-03 11:21:04,531 DEBUG zen.zenprocess: Found new /usr/local/apache-2.2.9/bin/httpd -k start pid 3902 on web19
[03-Nov-2009 13:22:44] <__jd__> 2009-11-03 11:21:04,531 WARNING zen.zenprocess: Process not running: httpd
[03-Nov-2009 13:24:54] <wdw> am I missing something, or is snmp slower than treacle?
[03-Nov-2009 13:31:52] <kisielk> rmatte: yeah this is quite frustrating. I too wish Zenoss was a bit more transparent
[03-Nov-2009 13:32:20] <mrayzenoss> kisielk: 2.5?
[03-Nov-2009 13:33:44] <kisielk> yeah. my zenprocess and zenstatus are totally hosed because of some exceptions
[03-Nov-2009 13:34:25] <mrayzenoss> pastebin? do you have a forum thread? I can try to get some eyeballs on it
[03-Nov-2009 13:35:25] <kisielk> mrayzenoss: http://zenoss.pastebin.com/f2ea40da4
[03-Nov-2009 13:35:32] <kisielk> I can make a forum thread about it if that helps
[03-Nov-2009 13:35:36] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at zenoss.pastebin.com)
[03-Nov-2009 13:36:41] <mrayzenoss> kisielk: installer and platform?
[03-Nov-2009 13:36:54] <kisielk> openSUSE, stack install
[03-Nov-2009 13:37:31] <mrayzenoss> post it on the forums with a description of your steps and I'll get someone to look at it
[03-Nov-2009 13:38:10] <kisielk> ok
[03-Nov-2009 13:40:14] <kisielk> mrayzenoss: thread/11911
[03-Nov-2009 13:40:24] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Zenstatus and Zenprocess crash after... (at community.zenoss.org)
[03-Nov-2009 13:40:27] <kisielk> there's not really any steps involved, it's just when the daemons start, they crash right away with that error
[03-Nov-2009 13:44:37] <rmatte> hmmmm
[03-Nov-2009 13:44:47] <mrayzenoss> was it an upgrade or a clean install?
[03-Nov-2009 13:45:14] <rmatte> upgrade probably
[03-Nov-2009 13:45:43] <rmatte> It's complaining about some IpService and some Process
[03-Nov-2009 13:45:50] <rmatte> tcp_00548
[03-Nov-2009 13:45:56] <rmatte> usr_sbin_servermgrd
[03-Nov-2009 13:46:26] <rmatte> I've tried to walk him through removing them in zendmd but the manage_delObject command won't work for dmd.Processes
[03-Nov-2009 13:46:38] <rmatte> so no idea how to get rid of those
[03-Nov-2009 13:58:14] <cmdln> gah
[03-Nov-2009 13:58:20] <cmdln> so i finally got snmptrapd to forward
[03-Nov-2009 13:58:32] <cmdln> it dosnt do what I was hoping
[03-Nov-2009 13:58:45] <cmdln> zenoss sees the trap as if it were sent directly
[03-Nov-2009 13:58:53] <cmdln> so back to square1
[03-Nov-2009 14:00:47] <cmdln> any more ideas how to "merge" these devices?
[03-Nov-2009 14:04:55] <cmdln> this has to be a common problem
[03-Nov-2009 14:05:21] <cmdln> I cant be alone in this heh
[03-Nov-2009 14:07:35] <rmatte> why do you care if it sees it as though it were sent directly?
[03-Nov-2009 14:07:53] <cmdln> because then I still have the issue of having 2 devices instead of one
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:06] <cmdln> I dont want the ilo seen as a seperate device
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:08] <rmatte> no, you don't, you just remove the other device obviously
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:12] <rmatte> an ILO is not a "device"
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:16] <rmatte> it's just an appliance
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:20] <rmatte> and extension to the device itself
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:29] <cmdln> right
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:40] <cmdln> maybe im asking the wrong questions
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:44] <rmatte> so don't even have the ILO in Zenoss, just have the server
[03-Nov-2009 14:08:55] <rmatte> and have the ILO forward the traps to the server
[03-Nov-2009 14:09:00] <rmatte> then have the server send the traps to Zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 14:09:04] <cmdln> I did
[03-Nov-2009 14:09:11] <rmatte> so what's the issue then?
[03-Nov-2009 14:09:27] <cmdln> and it shows up in zenoss as if it came from the ip of the ilo
[03-Nov-2009 14:09:40] <cmdln> which does not corelate with the server device in Zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 14:09:42] <rmatte> oh, that's not what I meant
[03-Nov-2009 14:09:58] <rmatte> I meant forward the traps FROM the ILO TO the server, then FROM the server TO Zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 14:10:12] <rmatte> so that all traps, even the ILO traps look like they came directly from the server
[03-Nov-2009 14:10:20] <cmdln> thats what I was trying to do
[03-Nov-2009 14:10:26] <cmdln> I setup snmptrapd
[03-Nov-2009 14:10:43] <cmdln> it recieved the traps from the ilo and forwarded to zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:04] <cmdln> I dont have a clue how to "resend" the traps other than to just forward them on
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:06] <rmatte> quite honestly, why don't you just rename the ILO device to something similar to the device like devicename-ilo
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:18] <rmatte> and just leave them separate
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:20] <cmdln> I could do that
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:24] <cmdln> as a last resort
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:33] <cmdln> but that doubles the ammount of devices I have in zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:38] <rmatte> well it seems like an aweful lot of work for basically nothing
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:45] <rmatte> so?
[03-Nov-2009 14:11:58] <rmatte> just turn off all monitoring for the ILO device except ping
[03-Nov-2009 14:12:12] <rmatte> that way you'll just be monitoring ping status of the ILO and receiving traps for it
[03-Nov-2009 14:12:33] <rmatte> make a device class just for ILO cards
[03-Nov-2009 14:12:45] <rmatte> that's how I'd personally do it
[03-Nov-2009 14:13:24] <cmdln> that just seems ugly to have twice as many devices
[03-Nov-2009 14:13:37] <cmdln> it shouldnt be that difficult
[03-Nov-2009 14:13:38] <rmatte> not really so long as they are properly organized
[03-Nov-2009 14:13:38] <cmdln> heh
[03-Nov-2009 14:14:20] <cmdln> i suppose thats what Ill have to do
[03-Nov-2009 14:14:36] <cmdln> because the event transforms werent working 100% either
[03-Nov-2009 14:14:43] <cmdln> it was kind of working
[03-Nov-2009 14:14:56] <rmatte> the event transforms will never work 100% since they are class dependant
[03-Nov-2009 14:14:57] <cmdln> but wouldnt propagate the event notification icon up
[03-Nov-2009 14:15:08] <rmatte> they aren't really designed for that type of application
[03-Nov-2009 14:15:21] <cmdln> I was putting the transforms at /Events so they are inherited everywhere
[03-Nov-2009 14:15:37] <rmatte> I see, keeping that transform maintained would be a pain though
[03-Nov-2009 14:15:48] <cmdln> yeah it would
[03-Nov-2009 14:16:03] <cmdln> but my servers dont move around much
[03-Nov-2009 14:16:15] <cmdln> where as i look at thing a lot
[03-Nov-2009 14:16:29] <cmdln> less devices would be more ideal
[03-Nov-2009 14:16:46] <cmdln> especially if I am doing the enterprise licensing later
[03-Nov-2009 14:19:05] <cmdln> that doubles the licensing cost
[03-Nov-2009 14:19:24] <rmatte> true enough
[03-Nov-2009 14:19:29] <mrayzenoss> cmdln: licensing is very negotiable
[03-Nov-2009 14:19:33] <rmatte> I don't do enterprise so that's not really a concern for me lol
[03-Nov-2009 14:19:52] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: very negotiable you say... $100 for Enterprise sound fair? :)
[03-Nov-2009 14:20:05] <cmdln> Ill kep that in mind mrayzenoss,
[03-Nov-2009 14:20:06] <rmatte> I'll throw in a twinkie
[03-Nov-2009 14:21:03] <rmatte> eugh, I haven't even had a second to look at bcfg2 yet today, things kept breaking
[03-Nov-2009 14:21:11] <rmatte> and the other 2 people in my team are both gone today
[03-Nov-2009 14:21:16] <rmatte> so I got swarmed
[03-Nov-2009 14:21:26] <mrayzenoss> know the feeling
[03-Nov-2009 14:21:27] <rmatte> bleh
[03-Nov-2009 14:21:36] <rmatte> :)
[03-Nov-2009 14:21:56] <rmatte> oh well, there's always tomorrow
[03-Nov-2009 14:22:11] <rmatte> actually, I'm going to see if I can at least get it up and running
[03-Nov-2009 14:23:39] <rmatte> I so need a third monitor
[03-Nov-2009 14:28:52] <cmdln> bcfg2 eh?
[03-Nov-2009 14:28:53] <mrayzenoss> off to defect review
[03-Nov-2009 14:29:06] <cmdln> it looked nice
[03-Nov-2009 14:29:11] <cmdln> i couldnt get over the xml
[03-Nov-2009 14:29:16] <cmdln> went with puppet
[03-Nov-2009 14:29:22] <cmdln> would have preferred the python though
[03-Nov-2009 14:29:48] <cwj> i am working with chef myself
[03-Nov-2009 14:29:59] <cmdln> ive heard some good things about chef
[03-Nov-2009 14:30:27] <cwj> so far its fine, but i am not using it in production yet
[03-Nov-2009 14:30:39] <cwj> trying to get our proprietary services packaged etc
[03-Nov-2009 14:30:54] <cmdln> ive got puppet pioleting in production
[03-Nov-2009 14:31:07] <cmdln> working pretty well
[03-Nov-2009 14:31:13] <cmdln> very small scale though
[03-Nov-2009 14:31:22] <cmdln> still uses internal webrick server
[03-Nov-2009 14:31:25] <cmdln> which sucjks
[03-Nov-2009 14:32:17] <rhettardo> by default arnt there MIBs under /Mibs? i installed some MIBs but only the ones showing up are the ones I installed and I swore there were others installed by default but I may be mistaken since its been quite a while since I've actually done a bare installation
[03-Nov-2009 14:37:32] <rmatte> it would be nice if there was a configuration management system with a full UI for it
[03-Nov-2009 14:37:45] <rmatte> eugh, this getting started with bcfg2 guide blows
[03-Nov-2009 14:37:53] <rmatte> I followed it step by step and it's not working
[03-Nov-2009 14:38:37] <cmdln> rmatte i think thats what spacewalk wants to be
[03-Nov-2009 14:39:46] <rmatte> hmmm, spacewalk actually looks interesting
[03-Nov-2009 14:39:49] <rmatte> nice interface
[03-Nov-2009 14:39:54] <rmatte> wonder if it's any good
[03-Nov-2009 14:40:22] <cmdln> iirc only works with oracle backend atm
[03-Nov-2009 14:40:33] <rmatte> looks like it's red-hat specific for now
[03-Nov-2009 14:40:37] <cmdln> there is work to make it postgres compatible
[03-Nov-2009 14:40:43] <rmatte> ah, that sucks
[03-Nov-2009 14:41:02] <cmdln> yeh started as rh but i think there is also work on multi distribution
[03-Nov-2009 14:42:22] <rmatte> hmmm, started in 2008
[03-Nov-2009 14:42:26] <rmatte> it'll need to mature a bit more
[03-Nov-2009 14:51:27] mrayzenoss1 is now known as mrayzenoss
[03-Nov-2009 14:53:55] <cmdln> i wish puppet had a reporting feature like bcfg2
[03-Nov-2009 15:09:56] <rmatte> bcfg2 1.0 is due out on Thursday apparently
[03-Nov-2009 15:10:04] <rmatte> it's supposed to be a lot easier to setup
[03-Nov-2009 15:15:29] <cmdln> xml is xml it makes my eyes bleed
[03-Nov-2009 15:18:55] <kisielk> I have a project in the works for an editor for Bcfg2
[03-Nov-2009 15:19:00] <kisielk> so you don't have to hand-edit XML
[03-Nov-2009 15:19:07] <kisielk> it's still in very early stages though
[03-Nov-2009 15:19:17] <kisielk> and I think it will take some hacking on the internals as well
[03-Nov-2009 15:20:13] <kisielk> anyway, it's a half day for me today, so time to go home :)
[03-Nov-2009 15:42:58] <rmatte> kisielk: that would be awesome
[03-Nov-2009 15:49:56] <smbambling> Hey guys, I'm having some issues with getting Zenoss to model devices correctly. I have create a new device class (sub class of servers/windows/) called DC.
[03-Nov-2009 15:51:26] <smbambling> I've checked the zCollectorPlugins on both of the classes and they seem to be the same
[03-Nov-2009 15:51:44] <smbambling> When I add a device under the /servers/windows class it will model no issue.
[03-Nov-2009 15:52:06] <smbambling> When I add a device under the /server/windows/DC class I created I don't seem to get anything.
[03-Nov-2009 15:52:59] <rmatte> well, at least I got bcfg2 configured, now I can mess around with it tomorrow
[03-Nov-2009 15:53:20] <smbambling> SNMP walk works no issues....and I get a info event for SNMP discovering the IP related to the host name that I enter when adding the device
[03-Nov-2009 15:53:24] <rmatte> smbambling: you don't get anything at all under the new class
[03-Nov-2009 15:53:25] <rmatte> ?
[03-Nov-2009 15:53:54] <smbambling> The device shows up, but nothing under the OS heading on the status page
[03-Nov-2009 15:54:00] <rmatte> how long ago did you create the class?
[03-Nov-2009 15:54:12] <smbambling> about 30min ago
[03-Nov-2009 15:54:20] <rmatte> I assume you didn't push changes to the collector?
[03-Nov-2009 15:54:29] <rmatte> go to the class then go to Manage -> Push Changes
[03-Nov-2009 15:54:31] <rmatte> then try again
[03-Nov-2009 15:55:07] <rmatte> Changes are only automatically pushed every hour
[03-Nov-2009 15:55:18] <smbambling> push changes at the /Devices level
[03-Nov-2009 15:55:24] <smbambling> or at the new class level
[03-Nov-2009 15:55:29] <rmatte> new class
[03-Nov-2009 15:56:06] <smbambling> ok testing now
[03-Nov-2009 15:56:28] <smbambling> I"m deleting and re-adding the device
[03-Nov-2009 16:02:43] <rmatte> also, check the zProperties to make sure that the right snmp community string is set
[03-Nov-2009 16:02:57] <rmatte> it might be different or blank for that class
[03-Nov-2009 16:03:18] <wdw> is there a standard troubleshooting guide somewhere? The 'software' tab is blank on my devices, even though snmpwalk -c public -v 2c domain.net 1.3.6.1.2.1.25.6.3.1.2 run from the zenoss server is coming back with the full list of software
[03-Nov-2009 16:03:44] <rmatte> wdw: what kinds of devices though
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:04] <rmatte> wdw: the software tab only supports windows servers by default.
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:12] <wdw> aww, really? okay
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:15] <wdw> that explains that :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:23] <rmatte> what OS are those devices running?
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:26] <wdw> linux
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:29] <wdw> centos/rhel
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:31] <rmatte> what flavour?
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:47] <rmatte> ah
[03-Nov-2009 16:04:52] <wdw> x64 centos/rhel boxen, latest versions of both
[03-Nov-2009 16:05:16] <rmatte> docs/DOC-3382
[03-Nov-2009 16:05:21] <rmatte> you might be able to use that ZenPack
[03-Nov-2009 16:05:23] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Fedora Linux (at community.zenoss.org)
[03-Nov-2009 16:05:29] <rmatte> since centos and rhel are similar to Fedora
[03-Nov-2009 16:05:37] <wdw> gotcha
[03-Nov-2009 16:05:42] <wdw> i'll get cracking - thanks!
[03-Nov-2009 16:05:46] <rmatte> np
[03-Nov-2009 16:06:47] <rmatte> smbambling: any luck?
[03-Nov-2009 16:06:57] <smbambling> rmatte: I tried your suggestion with forcing pushes. no luck
[03-Nov-2009 16:07:09] <smbambling> I'm checking the SNMP strings again just to make sure
[03-Nov-2009 16:07:16] <rmatte> k
[03-Nov-2009 16:08:46] <smbambling> rmatte: I've check on teh device I am trying to add and on the zProperties of the new class the SNMP sting is correct
[03-Nov-2009 16:09:11] <smbambling> The zWinUser and Pass are also correct for WMI monitoring
[03-Nov-2009 16:09:28] <rmatte> smbambling: do any errors show up when modelling?
[03-Nov-2009 16:09:37] <rmatte> can you model and pastebin the output?
[03-Nov-2009 16:09:49] <rmatte> (pastebin.com)
[03-Nov-2009 16:10:09] <smbambling> sure let me re-add the device so I can drop it on there
[03-Nov-2009 16:10:31] <rmatte> k
[03-Nov-2009 16:12:09] <smbambling> it also seems to take a LONG time to add devices under this class
[03-Nov-2009 16:12:44] <rmatte> smbambling: it usually takes a long time when it's not able to properly connect via SNMP
[03-Nov-2009 16:13:00] <wdw> good god
[03-Nov-2009 16:13:03] <wdw> just like that, it works!
[03-Nov-2009 16:13:07] <wdw> thanks rmatte!
[03-Nov-2009 16:13:09] <rmatte> wdw: yessir
[03-Nov-2009 16:13:23] <rmatte> no problem, thank rocket next time you see him, he wrote that pack
[03-Nov-2009 16:13:29] <rmatte> :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:13:36] <wdw> I shall :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:14:11] <rmatte> smbambling: once I see the complete modelling output I'll probably be able to tell you what's wrong with it
[03-Nov-2009 16:14:18] <smbambling> ok
[03-Nov-2009 16:15:00] <smbambling> http://pastebin.com/d7efd28fd
[03-Nov-2009 16:15:11] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[03-Nov-2009 16:15:57] <rmatte> checking
[03-Nov-2009 16:16:00] <smbambling> oh line 24 I see a timeout
[03-Nov-2009 16:16:14] <smbambling> but it find the IP from hostname via SNMP
[03-Nov-2009 16:16:20] <smbambling> I get a blue info event on that
[03-Nov-2009 16:16:41] <rmatte> you monitoring via WMI or SNMP?
[03-Nov-2009 16:16:59] <smbambling> both for Windows host
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:09] <smbambling> I have a WMI zenpack that was downloaded
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:18] <rmatte> #
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:18] <rmatte> 2009-11-03 17:12:27 ERROR RenderServer Failed to generate a graph
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:18] <rmatte> #
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:18] <rmatte> 2009-11-03 17:12:27 ERROR RenderServer Failed to generate a graph
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:18] <rmatte> #
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:18] <rmatte> 2009-11-03 17:14:01 WARNING zen.ZenDisc Client prod-cam-dc1 timeout
[03-Nov-2009 16:17:30] <rmatte> that's your issue
[03-Nov-2009 16:18:00] <rmatte> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/vol/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/RenderServer.py", line 190, in render rrdtool.graph(*gopts) error Traceback (most recent call last): File "/vol/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/RenderServer.py", line 190, in render rrdtool.graph(*gopts) error
[03-Nov-2009 16:18:14] <rmatte> not sure what's causing that but it definitely shouldn't be doing that
[03-Nov-2009 16:18:25] <rmatte> I also notice that it timed out after 180 seconds
[03-Nov-2009 16:18:35] <rmatte> what is your cycle time set to in zProperties for that class?
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:04] <rmatte> zCollectorClientTimeout should be set to something like 300 or 500
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:17] <rmatte> zSnmpTimeout should be set to like 10 or 15
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:19] <rmatte> then try again
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:20] <smbambling> 180
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:40] <rmatte> it may just be a plain timeout issue which the render errors have nothing to do with
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:44] <smbambling> 180 = inherited from upper class
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:56] <rmatte> I have mine set to 5000 on one of my boxes lol
[03-Nov-2009 16:19:59] <rmatte> so bump it up a bit
[03-Nov-2009 16:20:16] <rmatte> (it's set so high because I'm monitoring devices across slow ass links so it takes forever to snmpwalk them)
[03-Nov-2009 16:20:21] <smbambling> what is odd ...after the device is created I can do an SNMP walk on that device with success
[03-Nov-2009 16:20:43] <rmatte> Zenoss doesn't use snmpwalk
[03-Nov-2009 16:20:45] <smbambling> yeah this devices is in CA....zenoss server in NJ
[03-Nov-2009 16:20:58] <rmatte> ok, so increase the timeout to 500 like I said
[03-Nov-2009 16:21:02] <rmatte> and the snmp timeout to 15
[03-Nov-2009 16:21:04] <rmatte> and try again
[03-Nov-2009 16:21:24] <rmatte> afk for a sec
[03-Nov-2009 16:21:34] <smbambling> on a device Run Commands --> snmpwalk
[03-Nov-2009 16:23:07] <rmatte> yeh, that just means you can snmpwalk the system tree of the device
[03-Nov-2009 16:23:14] <rmatte> which is pretty low level access
[03-Nov-2009 16:23:40] <smbambling> gotcha...upped the timeout on both ....re-adding
[03-Nov-2009 16:23:40] <rmatte> Zenoss doesn't use snmpwalk to gather data anyways
[03-Nov-2009 16:23:45] <rmatte> k cool
[03-Nov-2009 16:23:50] <smbambling> btw...thanks for all the help so far
[03-Nov-2009 16:24:12] <rmatte> no problem
[03-Nov-2009 16:24:34] <rmatte> I try to help people as much as I can around here
[03-Nov-2009 16:24:37] <mrayzenoss> BTW, there's a newer version of the WMI Data Source ZenPack for testing: 2.0.1
[03-Nov-2009 16:24:51] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: ok, I'll test that out tomorrow
[03-Nov-2009 16:24:57] <mrayzenoss> thanks
[03-Nov-2009 16:24:58] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: remind me if I forget
[03-Nov-2009 16:32:51] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: I got bcfg2 setup for testing finally (and found a flaw in their Ubuntu Quick Start guide which they fixed)
[03-Nov-2009 16:33:06] <mrayzenoss> cool
[03-Nov-2009 16:34:28] <smbambling> rmatte: Looks like its was a timeout issues
[03-Nov-2009 16:34:36] <rmatte> good
[03-Nov-2009 16:34:44] <smbambling> it took 322s to complete but looks like I have the data
[03-Nov-2009 16:34:57] <smbambling> I still get the traceback error
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:06] <rmatte> I have some devices which, no joke, take 1200s to 1400s to complete
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:11] <smbambling> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/vol/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/RenderServer.py", line 190, in render rrdtool.graph(*gopts) error Traceback (most recent call last): File "/vol/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/RenderServer.py", line 190, in render rrdtool.graph(*gopts) error
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:14] <rmatte> yeh, that traceback error is something else
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:26] <rmatte> try this just for the heck of it...
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:29] <smbambling> wow 1200 is a LONG time
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:30] <rmatte> go to $ZENHOME/Perf
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:40] <rmatte> remove the device from Zenoss
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:46] <rmatte> then delete the perf folder for that device
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:49] <rmatte> then re-add the device
[03-Nov-2009 16:35:59] <rmatte> it sounds like it may be a bad RRD or something
[03-Nov-2009 16:36:07] <smbambling> ok let me SSH into the box
[03-Nov-2009 16:36:18] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Are you here by chance?
[03-Nov-2009 16:37:06] <rmatte> smbambling: yeh, 1200 is about 20 minutes
[03-Nov-2009 16:37:24] <rmatte> smbambling: but it's because an snmpwalk of the device is so slow that you can literally read it line by line as it scrolls
[03-Nov-2009 16:38:11] <mrayzenoss> I'm here
[03-Nov-2009 16:38:41] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Do you know if there is a way to confirm a training session? Or a place to ask questions about it?
[03-Nov-2009 16:38:47] <smbambling> rmatte: after removing devices from web console nothing in the /pref for that device
[03-Nov-2009 16:38:59] <rmatte> smbambling: ah ok
[03-Nov-2009 16:39:05] <rmatte> smbambling: it must be something else then
[03-Nov-2009 16:39:07] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: for which session? online or in person?
[03-Nov-2009 16:39:22] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: in person. The one in Baltimore MD
[03-Nov-2009 16:39:31] <mrayzenoss> I'll check..
[03-Nov-2009 16:40:12] <rmatte> jrock2004: to answer your questions, no there won't be hot babes, and no there won't be beer
[03-Nov-2009 16:40:38] <mrayzenoss> there'll be beer
[03-Nov-2009 16:40:53] <rmatte> jrock2004: oh, well, apparently their training standard haven't dropped that much
[03-Nov-2009 16:40:56] <mrayzenoss> or at least, there was at Ohio
[03-Nov-2009 16:41:12] <jrock2004> rmatte: Well its at a hotel
[03-Nov-2009 16:41:22] <jrock2004> rmatte: Do I am sure the hotel will have beer
[03-Nov-2009 16:41:23] <rmatte> minibar!
[03-Nov-2009 16:41:35] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: what's the first & last name?
[03-Nov-2009 16:41:46] <rmatte> Mr. Jay Rock
[03-Nov-2009 16:41:52] <rmatte> :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:41:56] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: John Costanzo
[03-Nov-2009 16:42:39] <jrock2004> rmatte: That would have been a good guess :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:42:44] <rmatte> hehe
[03-Nov-2009 16:43:19] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: you're on the list… I'll bug Mark about sending out a reminder email
[03-Nov-2009 16:43:20] <jrock2004> What does parallels tool never work the way it should. Man oh man
[03-Nov-2009 16:43:22] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: you actually had me looking for Jay Rock
[03-Nov-2009 16:43:34] <rmatte> haha
[03-Nov-2009 16:43:48] <rmatte> that's because I always seem to know what I'm talking about :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:43:51] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: hahaha. Do we get any breaks on vallet parking :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:43:53] <rmatte> it's a gift
[03-Nov-2009 16:44:37] <mrayzenoss> I'm out of the loop on the LISA event, I'm not attending unfortunately
[03-Nov-2009 16:44:44] <jrock2004> Yeah well I live about 2 hours from baltimore so it would be a pain to go to this and have them say you are not on the list lol
[03-Nov-2009 16:44:52] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: its cool
[03-Nov-2009 16:44:58] <mrayzenoss> nah, we won't turn anyone away
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:11] <rmatte> orlly?
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:15] <mrayzenoss> we just want confirmations so we have a good estimate of how many copies to make and whatnot
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:17] <rmatte> free training!
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:18] <mrayzenoss> it's free training
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:21] * rmatte rubs hands together
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:33] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Yeah I hope not I am already in trouble I am going to this. Its my birthday and wife is not too happy lol
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:40] <rmatte> too bad I don't have the time nor money to fly down
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:46] <rmatte> I will eventually come out to some event though
[03-Nov-2009 16:45:58] <chemist> mrayzenoss: any free sessions in the UK?
[03-Nov-2009 16:46:20] <mrayzenoss> we're actually looking at either FOSDEM or LinuxTag, not UK but Europe
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:00] <jrock2004> Wow $7USD parking per hour
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:06] <mrayzenoss> and Jane Curry does UK training
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:09] <rmatte> that's expensive
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:16] <jrock2004> but how can I complain with a free training session
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:16] <rmatte> (the parking)
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:27] <smbambling> rmatte: I think I'm good back to playing around some more thanks again for the help
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:32] <chemist> and Jane Curry :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:36] <rmatte> smbambling: no problem
[03-Nov-2009 16:47:47] <jrock2004> Well the site says they have a $25USD daily parking. I am hoping I can use that
[03-Nov-2009 16:48:02] <rmatte> usually it's like $7 an hour up to a max of whatever
[03-Nov-2009 16:48:06] <rmatte> which I guess is 25
[03-Nov-2009 16:48:28] <rmatte> but be sure to ask so that you don't get screwed over
[03-Nov-2009 16:48:33] <jrock2004> yeah but the site does not explain what daily means
[03-Nov-2009 16:48:48] <rmatte> is there any other meaning for "daily"?
[03-Nov-2009 16:48:51] <rmatte> :P
[03-Nov-2009 16:49:07] <jrock2004> well to me I would think you need to be there for 24 hours or more
[03-Nov-2009 16:49:17] <rmatte> doubt it
[03-Nov-2009 16:49:22] <jrock2004> To some it could mean 8 hours
[03-Nov-2009 16:49:43] <jrock2004> Well I guess what it cost I will submit it to HR :)
[03-Nov-2009 16:49:48] <rmatte> lol
[03-Nov-2009 16:49:50] <rmatte> yup
[03-Nov-2009 16:50:02] <rmatte> you're lucky that your company is covering the trip
[03-Nov-2009 16:50:05] <rmatte> mine would never cover it
[03-Nov-2009 16:50:24] <jrock2004> trust me I had to pull strings to get gas and parking covered
[03-Nov-2009 16:50:33] <rmatte> oh I believe it
[03-Nov-2009 16:50:56] <jrock2004> my company wont even get an air conditioner for the server room. lol that is how cheap they are
[03-Nov-2009 16:52:00] <jrock2004> Well off to head home. I will see you guys later
[03-Nov-2009 16:52:10] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Thanks again for looking up that info
[03-Nov-2009 16:53:24] <rmatte> we've been waiting for an air conditioner for our lab server room for like 6 months now
[03-Nov-2009 16:53:32] <rmatte> an alas, no air conditioner
[03-Nov-2009 16:54:42] <rmatte> anyways, I need to head home, talk to you guys tomorrow
[03-Nov-2009 16:55:56] <rmatte> later Matt
[03-Nov-2009 16:56:00] <mrayzenoss> later
[03-Nov-2009 17:47:01] <Skaag> I got something weird going on... I ask zenoss to model a device after i've made some changes to it (such as adding snmp service), and I configured ssh access in the zProperties, but the modeling says snmp is off for the device, and it also doesn't even attempt to ssh...
[03-Nov-2009 17:47:05] <Skaag> what might be causing this?
[03-Nov-2009 18:24:24] <tung> Hi, has anyone seen an issue where Zenoss stopped send out alerts emails even though I can send out test emails from the Zenoss Settings-> Users?
[03-Nov-2009 18:24:39] <tung> The events are in the logs
[03-Nov-2009 18:24:45] <tung> Zenping detect it down
[03-Nov-2009 18:24:50] <tung> But no emails sent
[03-Nov-2009 18:25:03] <tung> And I haven't changed the emails/alerts settings
[03-Nov-2009 18:53:38] ideopathic_ is now known as ideopathic
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[03-Nov-2009 20:17:44] <jrock2004> nachox: no but would not see an issue
[03-Nov-2009 20:25:24] <wdw> I have a question about OS Processes. When the process is running, it appears in the 'Os Processes' list under the 'OS' tab. This is expected. However, when the process fails, it totally disappears from the OS Processes list (obviously an event is raised, but I had expected that little 'status' light to turn red, rather than the entry disappearing)
[03-Nov-2009 20:26:11] <wdw> Is there some super-secret 'sticky' flag I have to set? Or is that just the zenoss way of doing things?
[03-Nov-2009 20:26:57] <wdw> I mean, it is re-listed once the process re-appears, but it seems a little screwy
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[04-Nov-2009 04:42:47] <swarog> i switched back to 2.4.5 until wmi data source for 2.5 is out
[04-Nov-2009 04:42:51] <swarog> im getting following even
[04-Nov-2009 04:42:52] <swarog> "localhost zenmodeler heartbeat failure"
[04-Nov-2009 04:59:59] <skipzoid> morning
[04-Nov-2009 05:03:27] <skipzoid> i'm trying to get my head around changing the messages reported - i have a HP procurve switch that reports every time a port goes on/off line - zenoss receives the trap and records it as "snmp trap hpSwitch1600.2" (without out the quotes) in the details field it actually says which port came online/went off line etc - "I 11/04/09 09:35:17 ports: port 5 is now off-line" (again without the quotes) I'd like this recorded as the me
[04-Nov-2009 05:04:59] <Troubadix09> swarog: try clear all Heartbeat at Menuepoint "EventManager"
[04-Nov-2009 05:08:38] <swarog> Troubadix09: after zenmodeler restart looks like it stopped
[04-Nov-2009 05:43:58] <Guest34854> Hello
[04-Nov-2009 05:44:01] <Guest34854> good morning
[04-Nov-2009 06:14:28] <Skaag> something is wrong with my zenoss, it no longer manages to model devices
[04-Nov-2009 06:16:51] <Skaag> If I ask zenoss to snmpwalk the device, I can see the information
[04-Nov-2009 06:17:08] <Skaag> when I ask it to model the device, it no longer does the snmp discovery, nor does it do the ssh collection
[04-Nov-2009 06:17:10] <Skaag> what's wrong?
[04-Nov-2009 06:19:29] <swarog> ssh collection sounds scary to me
[04-Nov-2009 06:19:34] <swarog> it needs root privileges?
[04-Nov-2009 06:20:26] <Aziraphale> I'm doing it with a standard user
[04-Nov-2009 06:21:00] <swarog> ok
[04-Nov-2009 06:21:21] <Skaag> no, just a standard user
[04-Nov-2009 06:21:24] <Skaag> hm
[04-Nov-2009 06:21:40] <Skaag> I moved my machines from the SSH/Linux class, to /Server/Linux, and now it works
[04-Nov-2009 06:21:42] <Skaag> weird
[04-Nov-2009 06:25:07] <Troubadix09> hello guest34854
[04-Nov-2009 06:31:26] <swarog> hmm, is additional zenpack/template required for ssh acces?
[04-Nov-2009 06:31:49] <swarog> seems like i cant find where to specify username and password for ssh. doesnt exist in zproperties of the device
[04-Nov-2009 07:26:41] <Skaag> swarog: you set it in the zproperties
[04-Nov-2009 07:32:46] Guest34854 is now known as mnandres
[04-Nov-2009 07:38:03] <mnandres> Troubadix09 you now it is posible now with zenoss how many copies are printed on some device
[04-Nov-2009 08:20:22] <Troubadix09> mnandres: if the printer have a snmp-oid wich count this, it can be asked via snmp
[04-Nov-2009 08:20:46] <mnandres> is hp 4000
[04-Nov-2009 08:20:59] <mnandres> have snmp
[04-Nov-2009 08:22:01] <mnandres> some documentation?
[04-Nov-2009 08:22:48] <Troubadix09> mnandres: try snmpwalk through the enterprises.11
[04-Nov-2009 08:23:04] <Troubadix09> mnandres: have it hp-print-server?
[04-Nov-2009 08:23:18] <Troubadix09> mnandres: like hp 4000N
[04-Nov-2009 08:23:48] <mnandres> i dont understand
[04-Nov-2009 08:23:54] <mnandres> is a hp4000n
[04-Nov-2009 08:24:06] <mnandres> the print server is novell
[04-Nov-2009 08:25:31] <cmdln> You can download the MIB files for HP LaserJet printers at the following URL:
[04-Nov-2009 08:25:32] <cmdln> http://www.hpdevelopersolutions.com
[04-Nov-2009 08:25:47] <adytum-bot> Title: HP Printing and Digital Imaging Solutions Program Portal (at www.hpdevelopersolutions.com)
[04-Nov-2009 08:25:58] <Troubadix09> cmdln: for polling printed pages you didn't need the mib
[04-Nov-2009 08:26:17] <cmdln> no but it might be helpful if you dont know the oid
[04-Nov-2009 08:28:58] <cmdln> 1.3.6.1.2.1.1.6.5.12.0
[04-Nov-2009 08:29:06] <cmdln> jopb-info-pages-processed
[04-Nov-2009 08:29:23] <cmdln> job info pages printed 1.3.6.1.2.1.1.6.5.13.0
[04-Nov-2009 08:29:36] <cmdln> for laserjet series 4000
[04-Nov-2009 08:29:44] <cmdln> http://www.mibdepot.com/cgi-bin/vendor_index.cgi?r=hp
[04-Nov-2009 08:29:49] <mnandres> you are talking too me on basic chinesse
[04-Nov-2009 08:29:56] <adytum-bot> Title: mibDepot.com - Vendor MIBs (at www.mibdepot.com)
[04-Nov-2009 08:30:30] <cmdln> sorry i assumed you wanted something like number of pages printed
[04-Nov-2009 08:30:35] <cmdln> from a network printer
[04-Nov-2009 08:30:36] <mnandres> yes
[04-Nov-2009 08:30:44] <cmdln> specifically a laserjet 4000 series
[04-Nov-2009 08:30:45] <mnandres> that i need
[04-Nov-2009 08:31:05] <Troubadix09> mnandres: oid is 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13
[04-Nov-2009 08:31:09] <cmdln> the OIDs i just gave you will be what you want to query
[04-Nov-2009 08:31:38] <Troubadix09> mnandres: getting the complete mib for Laserjet 4000 here: http://www.oidview.com/mibs/11/LaserJet-Series4000-MIB.html
[04-Nov-2009 08:31:40] <mnandres> but when i put the OID
[04-Nov-2009 08:31:45] <adytum-bot> Title: LaserJet-Series4000-MIB SNMP MIB (at www.oidview.com)
[04-Nov-2009 08:32:31] <mnandres> sorry, please understand me
[04-Nov-2009 08:32:36] <mnandres> im new on this
[04-Nov-2009 08:32:45] <mnandres> i supose
[04-Nov-2009 08:33:04] <mnandres> the OID is de code of the data whe i need
[04-Nov-2009 08:33:11] <mnandres> im origth?
[04-Nov-2009 08:33:19] <Troubadix09> mnandres: that's why you first should learn how to use SNMP
[04-Nov-2009 08:33:31] <cmdln> the OID is like the mailbox for the information you want
[04-Nov-2009 08:33:56] <Troubadix09> mnandres: that's not zenoss stuff, its basic networl management stuff
[04-Nov-2009 08:34:02] <mnandres> i searche some manual of snmp
[04-Nov-2009 08:34:12] <Troubadix09> networl=network
[04-Nov-2009 08:34:16] <cmdln> if you want to know pages printed you have to check the right OID
[04-Nov-2009 08:34:39] <mnandres> ok, but how do that with zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 08:34:51] <mnandres> where put the command too do that
[04-Nov-2009 08:35:36] <Troubadix09> mnandres: there are chapter in the admin-guides for monitoring devices with snmp
[04-Nov-2009 08:36:09] <mnandres> zenoss administration?
[04-Nov-2009 08:36:16] <Troubadix09> mnandres: yes
[04-Nov-2009 08:37:36] <mnandres> ok, thnaks
[04-Nov-2009 08:37:36] <Troubadix09> mnandres use existing templates for perf monitoring (coming up with zenpacks) or create new templates with your own data-points and bind them to classes or devices
[04-Nov-2009 08:38:09] <mnandres> i using zenpack for generic printer
[04-Nov-2009 08:38:18] <mnandres> but not take some information
[04-Nov-2009 08:40:03] <mnandres> i need too restar pc
[04-Nov-2009 08:40:08] <mnandres> back in a minute
[04-Nov-2009 08:41:24] <hackeron_> hey, I have LM-SENSORS-MIB::lmTempSensorsValue.1 = Gauge32: 35000 in snmpwalk - I'd like to add a graph to monitor this (cpu temperature) - I found some docs to look for the PerfConf tab, but I can't find it?
[04-Nov-2009 08:50:16] <Troubadix09> hackeron: create a template with datapoint, threshold (if needed) and graphpoint. Bind it to your device or class
[04-Nov-2009 08:52:34] <Troubadix09> hackeron: datapoint is the oid 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.16.2.1.3.1
[04-Nov-2009 08:54:13] <Troubadix09> hackeron: what is the unit of the value?
[04-Nov-2009 08:55:36] * davetoo wonders how he can make things show up in this new "Messages" portlet
[04-Nov-2009 08:57:53] <hackeron_> Troubadix09: celcius - but it shows 35000 instead of 35 -- also, how do I get an OID from something like: lmMiscSensorsValue.12 = Gauge32: 46000
[04-Nov-2009 08:59:21] <davetoo> snmptranslate
[04-Nov-2009 09:00:05] <hackeron_> # snmptranslate "lmMiscSensorsValue.12"
[04-Nov-2009 09:00:05] <hackeron_> No log handling enabled - turning on stderr logging
[04-Nov-2009 09:00:05] <hackeron_> lmMiscSensorsValue.12: Unknown Object Identifier (Sub-id not found: (top) -> lmMiscSensorsValue)
[04-Nov-2009 09:00:35] <hackeron_> # snmpwalk -Os -v1 -c public localhost lmMiscSensorsValue.12
[04-Nov-2009 09:00:36] <hackeron_> lmMiscSensorsValue.12 = Gauge32: 46000
[04-Nov-2009 09:01:24] <Troubadix09> hackeron: use the whole value like snmptranslate LM-SENSOR-MIB::ImMiscSensorValue
[04-Nov-2009 09:02:38] <gwb235> rmatte, or anyone else who runs a hub/collector setup for "clients": is it possible to restrict device administration/views to "groups" so that they only see (and can change properties) of devices in a group assigned to that login? Looking for guides on how to set this kind of access.
[04-Nov-2009 09:02:43] <hackeron_> snmptranslate "LM-SENSORS-MIB::lmMiscSensorsValue.12"
[04-Nov-2009 09:02:44] <hackeron_> LM-SENSORS-MIB::lmMiscSensorsValue.12
[04-Nov-2009 09:06:12] <hackeron_> snmptranslate -To also shows the same thing
[04-Nov-2009 09:06:15] <klinstifen> morning all
[04-Nov-2009 09:06:38] <klinstifen> does anyone have a copy of the default zenoss user's .bashrc file?
[04-Nov-2009 09:06:45] <klinstifen> i just blew mine away accidentally
[04-Nov-2009 09:06:59] <suprsonic> no backup ey klinstifen?
[04-Nov-2009 09:07:15] <klinstifen> not for /home/zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 09:07:27] <klinstifen> i do have backups for $ZENHOME
[04-Nov-2009 09:07:28] <Troubadix09> hackeron: try snmptranslate -On ...
[04-Nov-2009 09:08:29] * klinstifen adds /home/zenoss to backup list and shakes head
[04-Nov-2009 09:09:14] <hackeron_> Troubadix09: oh, cool, thanks
[04-Nov-2009 09:09:20] <klinstifen> just discovered my zeopack hasn't been running
[04-Nov-2009 09:09:26] <klinstifen> my data.fs is 28GB
[04-Nov-2009 09:10:20] Matias is now known as Guest33553
[04-Nov-2009 09:10:44] <Troubadix09> hi Guest33553
[04-Nov-2009 09:11:27] Guest33553 is now known as mnandres
[04-Nov-2009 09:11:33] <mnandres> i back
[04-Nov-2009 09:11:35] <mnandres> heheheh
[04-Nov-2009 09:12:52] <Troubadix09> hackeron: in the RPN-Field of the Graph-Point use "1000,/" (without the quotes) to devide the value by 1000
[04-Nov-2009 09:14:20] <Troubadix09> hackeron: in the field Format of the graphpoint use "%3.0lf" insted of default "%5.2lf%s" to get integer values on the graph
[04-Nov-2009 09:15:37] <hackeron_> Troubadix09: thanks, changed - lets see
[04-Nov-2009 09:18:32] <hackeron_> Troubadix09: btw, question, why can't I see lmsensors stuff when I do snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost but I can when I do snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost lmsensors?
[04-Nov-2009 09:19:27] <klinstifen> can anyone tell me how big their data.fs file is?
[04-Nov-2009 09:21:49] <Troubadix09> hackeron: in the first case you do a snmpwalk throuh the whole snmp-agent-stuff of the host localhost. somewhere in the listing must be Imsensors
[04-Nov-2009 09:22:09] <Troubadix09> good afternoon mrayzenoss ;-)
[04-Nov-2009 09:22:14] <mrayzenoss> greetings
[04-Nov-2009 09:23:03] <hackeron_> Troubadix09: when I do snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost | grep -i sensor - I get nothing -- when I do snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost lmsensors | grep -i sensor I get loads
[04-Nov-2009 09:23:11] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: my data.fs is 118MB
[04-Nov-2009 09:23:36] <hackeron_> Troubadix09: btw, thanks, the graph seems to be working!
[04-Nov-2009 09:24:07] <klinstifen> ok thanks
[04-Nov-2009 09:24:18] <klinstifen> how many things are you monitoring?
[04-Nov-2009 09:27:10] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: 120 Devices
[04-Nov-2009 09:27:43] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: some with performance, some only ping
[04-Nov-2009 09:28:15] <rmatte> hackeron_: pastebin the output of snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost lmsensors
[04-Nov-2009 09:28:17] <klinstifen> ok thx
[04-Nov-2009 09:28:46] <Troubadix09> hackeron: I try "snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost |grep -i sysor" and get results
[04-Nov-2009 09:29:06] <Troubadix09> hi rmatte
[04-Nov-2009 09:29:12] <rmatte> hi
[04-Nov-2009 09:29:52] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: but only 3days history
[04-Nov-2009 09:30:26] <klinstifen> ok thanks
[04-Nov-2009 09:30:29] <hackeron_> Troubadix09: I get some results but no temperature information
[04-Nov-2009 09:30:31] <klinstifen> just wanted to get a bit of a baseline
[04-Nov-2009 09:31:18] <hackeron_> rmatte: http://dpaste.com/116205/
[04-Nov-2009 09:31:29] <adytum-bot> Title: dpaste: #116205 (at dpaste.com)
[04-Nov-2009 09:31:50] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: set "Delete Historical Events Older Than (days)" to other then "0", because 0 no deleting
[04-Nov-2009 09:31:58] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: set "Delete Historical Events Older Than (days)" to other then "0", because 0=no deleting
[04-Nov-2009 09:32:35] <klinstifen> yeah i am going to tweak the event history settings once this zeopack is done
[04-Nov-2009 09:32:53] <klinstifen> my data.fs was 28G and i ran out of diskspace on the server
[04-Nov-2009 09:34:39] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: i remember, that zeopack didn't decrease the space, the data.fs need. I remember there is a thread in the forum, how to decrease the database.
[04-Nov-2009 09:34:59] <klinstifen> ok i will go look
[04-Nov-2009 09:37:43] <klinstifen> i found this: message/33207#33207
[04-Nov-2009 09:37:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Help! My Data.fs file is 37GB and Zope... (at community.zenoss.org)
[04-Nov-2009 09:37:52] <klinstifen> but zeopack worked for ewall
[04-Nov-2009 09:38:09] <klinstifen> hrmm
[04-Nov-2009 09:38:20] <klinstifen> zeopack just quit "no space left on device"
[04-Nov-2009 09:41:35] <klinstifen> anyone know if zeopack can write the packed db to a different directory?
[04-Nov-2009 09:47:23] <rmatte> hackeron_: ok, just saw the pastebin
[04-Nov-2009 09:47:56] <rmatte> Try this: snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost | grep SENSORS
[04-Nov-2009 09:55:32] <klinstifen> would it be possible to move all of the data.fs files to another location
[04-Nov-2009 09:55:36] <klinstifen> create symlinks in their place
[04-Nov-2009 09:55:40] <klinstifen> and then do a zeopack?
[04-Nov-2009 10:00:36] <rmatte> klinstifen: if you symlink the file I don't see why not
[04-Nov-2009 10:00:52] <rmatte> klinstifen: that's actually an interesting concept
[04-Nov-2009 10:00:52] <klinstifen> trying it now
[04-Nov-2009 10:01:02] <klinstifen> yeah hopefully this works
[04-Nov-2009 10:01:20] <klinstifen> 23GB more to go on the copy
[04-Nov-2009 10:01:24] <rmatte> you'll probably have to symlink by hand though unless you can find some way for the pack to do it automatically
[04-Nov-2009 10:06:33] <hackeron_> rmatte: # snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost | grep SENSORS
[04-Nov-2009 10:06:33] <hackeron_> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunParameters.16548 = STRING: "SENSORS"
[04-Nov-2009 10:07:57] <gwb235> i'm following the guidelines here: docs/DOC-3050 to create device-specific logins, but the ZenUser role gets assigned no matter what, hence the account sees all devices (not just administered objects assigned to the account) ?
[04-Nov-2009 10:08:04] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 11.6 Device Access Control Lists (at community.zenoss.org)
[04-Nov-2009 10:08:55] <rmatte> hackeron_: hmmm, very weird
[04-Nov-2009 10:09:17] <rmatte> hackeron_: I'm assuming that you configured snmpd to expose the lmsensors values?
[04-Nov-2009 10:09:22] <rmatte> or did it just do it on it's own?
[04-Nov-2009 10:12:47] <wdw> Zenoss is finally starting to make sense. For the longest time, I was stumped by the fact that services/proceses would disappear upon remodel.. but I've finally gotten the whole monitoring checkbox / 'monitored' / locking trifecta working (woo!).
[04-Nov-2009 10:13:14] <wdw> However, from the forums it seems the only way to have all the device thresholds shown under the OS tab is to hack some of the code/templates.. is that right?
[04-Nov-2009 10:13:55] <rmatte> wdw: what do you mean by "all the device thresholds shown under the OS tab"?
[04-Nov-2009 10:14:14] <rmatte> wdw: thresholds are not "shown"
[04-Nov-2009 10:14:29] <rmatte> unless you add them to a graph, so I assume you're referring to performance graphs?
[04-Nov-2009 10:14:39] <wdw> no, sorry, let me explain..
[04-Nov-2009 10:15:42] <wdw> I'd like to visually expose the thresholds (this is a management thing.. sigh), to actually show 'look, 300 green lights - relax!' to folks here who care.. and so it seemed that exposing the thresholds with little green status lights under the 'OS' tab would fulfill my need. Basically jut a list of each one, showing that its not exceeded
[04-Nov-2009 10:16:09] <wdw> and yes, this is a dumb requirement
[04-Nov-2009 10:18:02] <mrayzenoss> hmm… I bet this could be automated
[04-Nov-2009 10:19:25] <hackeron_> rmatte: here's my snmpd config: http://dpaste.com/116233/
[04-Nov-2009 10:19:36] <adytum-bot> Title: dpaste: #116233 (at dpaste.com)
[04-Nov-2009 10:20:05] <hackeron_> rmatte: just replaced the default config with this one, rest is just whatever ubuntu did :) - didn't do anything special to configure lm-sensors
[04-Nov-2009 10:21:30] <gwb235> i've narrowed down the "view" bit to "when the user is assigned to a group, it auto-adds ZenUser role to the user, and then allows the account to see everything". Hmmm
[04-Nov-2009 10:23:20] <wdw> ah, you know what.. I think I see the problem. This is an enterprise feature according to the forums. 'The EnterpriseReports ZenPack contains a report called "Defined Thresholds" '. That explains it I guess.
[04-Nov-2009 10:24:04] <wdw> gwb235: I'm a total newbie, but I had read that the ACL only works with Enterprise.. are you using enterprise?
[04-Nov-2009 10:27:04] <rmatte> wdw: you're not really talking about thresholds, you're talking about the status icons that show up on the device page when something is wrong?
[04-Nov-2009 10:27:30] <rmatte> wdw: or do you literally want it to show that drive blah is currently at 87% utilization and the threshold is set at 90%
[04-Nov-2009 10:27:32] <rmatte> ?
[04-Nov-2009 10:28:12] <wdw> rmatte: the latter (with the addition of showing an idiot-light indicating that the threshold is within bounds)
[04-Nov-2009 10:28:40] <rmatte> wdw: I see, those status icons are generated dynamically based on the event class and the component
[04-Nov-2009 10:28:47] <rmatte> wdw: they don't really exist to be exposed
[04-Nov-2009 10:28:51] <rmatte> as far as I'm aware
[04-Nov-2009 10:29:07] <Troubadix09> wdw, gwb235: this paper would be helpful for zenoss core: http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/users_events_zproperties_paper.pdf
[04-Nov-2009 10:29:29] <rmatte> The system basically goes, oh look, an event with a component of "REBOOT" so it adds an icon in there with the color of the severity of the event and puts "REBOOT" next to it
[04-Nov-2009 10:29:36] <rmatte> it's all done dynamically
[04-Nov-2009 10:30:07] <wdw> so, just so we're on the same page, if I could get this working, the only difference would be, under the 'OS' tab for a device, a new category, right under (say) OS Processes, you'd have Thresholds, and a list of every threshold for the device, with a green indicator to show that the threshold hasn't tripped.
[04-Nov-2009 10:30:35] <wdw> Its sounding like the only way to do that would be to modify the source to iterate all possible defined thresholds, and check none are currently raised as active events
[04-Nov-2009 10:30:39] <rmatte> wdw: It's possible but that would be a lot of coding
[04-Nov-2009 10:30:41] <wdw> But first, I'll read that PDF :)
[04-Nov-2009 10:30:46] <rmatte> wdw: there's no easy way to do that
[04-Nov-2009 10:30:53] <rmatte> you'd literally be coding the whole thing from scratch
[04-Nov-2009 10:30:58] <wdw> :-/
[04-Nov-2009 10:31:10] <Troubadix09> wdw: the pdf was for gwb235
[04-Nov-2009 10:31:33] <wdw> ah, sorry.. you'd mentioned me in it, so I assumed it was for both of us
[04-Nov-2009 10:31:41] <rmatte> wdw: the status indicators that show up are created dynamically based on what events are in the event console at the time, like I explained before
[04-Nov-2009 10:31:52] <wdw> got it
[04-Nov-2009 10:32:09] <wdw> So, honestly.. am I just fundamentally misunderstanding a core concept of zenoss here? Its just totally event oriented?
[04-Nov-2009 10:32:10] <rmatte> there are a few static indicators that are always there, such as CPU, but those are hard coded in to Zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 10:32:20] <rmatte> and they are tripped by events with an event class of /Perf/CPU
[04-Nov-2009 10:32:22] <rmatte> or whatever
[04-Nov-2009 10:32:27] <rmatte> the rest are done dynamically
[04-Nov-2009 10:32:53] <rmatte> wdw: for status icons, yes, it is
[04-Nov-2009 10:33:02] <rmatte> very event oriented
[04-Nov-2009 10:33:16] <wdw> well darn.
[04-Nov-2009 10:33:31] <rmatte> I'd honestly prefer if status were handled separate from events, but it's not
[04-Nov-2009 10:35:03] <wdw> You've saved me days of fooling around trying to get this shoehorned into my idea of what it should do... thank you for the insight.
[04-Nov-2009 10:35:35] <rmatte> no problem
[04-Nov-2009 10:39:06] <klinstifen> does any part of zenoss need to be running before zeopack is initiated?
[04-Nov-2009 10:39:13] <mrayzenoss> looking for Ubuntu people… specifically with build experience
[04-Nov-2009 10:48:58] <rmatte> define "build experience"
[04-Nov-2009 10:51:57] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Yeah I run a buch of ubuntu servers
[04-Nov-2009 10:52:32] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Are you looking for programmers?
[04-Nov-2009 10:53:27] <mrayzenoss> we're looking for advice on packaging for Debian & Ubuntu
[04-Nov-2009 10:53:44] <mrayzenoss> I'm trying to hunt down some maintainers
[04-Nov-2009 10:54:42] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: I might be able to help but not sure
[04-Nov-2009 10:55:22] <rmatte> ah, I have no experience doing that sort of thing with Ubuntu unfortunately
[04-Nov-2009 10:55:44] <cmdln> its good your looking for maintainer input
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:00] <cmdln> i think ubuntu is a great desktop but personally wouldnt run it as a server
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:20] <rmatte> cmdln: works amazingly as a server
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:27] <klinstifen> no probs here
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:35] <rmatte> cmdln: all of my Zenoss servers are Ubuntu based and it's flawless
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:36] <cmdln> ive heard too many horror stories with it
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:40] <cmdln> perhaps in a few years
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:48] <cmdln> Love debian though
[04-Nov-2009 10:56:51] <rmatte> horror stories relating to?
[04-Nov-2009 10:57:06] <cmdln> issues with too new of packages not being vetted properly
[04-Nov-2009 10:57:09] <cmdln> crashing etc ..
[04-Nov-2009 10:57:25] <rmatte> ah, I've never had issues with packages at all
[04-Nov-2009 10:57:25] <cmdln> I think canonical will get it all straightend out
[04-Nov-2009 10:57:29] <wdw> with that new RHEL-specific kernel bug allowing local exploits, its not like even the gold standard is totally safe though
[04-Nov-2009 10:57:32] <cmdln> with time
[04-Nov-2009 10:57:39] <rmatte> in fact I find that Ubuntu's packaging is the best I've ever seen
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:06] <cmdln> still just too new to the game to me, id run debian stable any day
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:08] <rmatte> the quality is incredible, I've yet to run across any kind of package conflict when updating anything (even when updating the whole system)
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:25] <cmdln> good to hear
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:30] <rmatte> Ubuntu has been around for like 6 or 7 years now
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:32] <rmatte> it's not that new
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:33] <rmatte> :P
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:36] <cmdln> yeah lol
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:47] <chudler> I havent seen any benefit Ubuntu has over debian, unless support is your goal. then again, I dislike ubuntu, personally.
[04-Nov-2009 10:58:47] <cmdln> like i said not on MY server ;)
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:05] <rmatte> meh
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:10] <cmdln> ubuntu has a large active and fairly freindly community
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:15] <cmdln> and newer packages
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:22] <cmdln> thats its benefit
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:28] <cmdln> and you can buy support from canonical
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:44] <rmatte> I wouldn't buy support, but I am a fan of projects with large communities
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:53] <rmatte> and ubuntu is the leader in that department
[04-Nov-2009 10:59:55] <cmdln> sadly at $work we use Centos and Redhat
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:10] <rmatte> yeh, I'm not a big CentOS, RedHat, Fedora guy
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:15] <rmatte> those distros drive me nuts
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:17] <cmdln> not a fan of rpm
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:18] <chudler> I dont care for their community either; mostly full of bad advice and half-truths, but that's just one person's experience ;-)
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:18] <cmdln> yeh
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:19] Zenethian is now known as zenethian
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:39] <cmdln> chudler: true many people claim knowledge when they know nothing
[04-Nov-2009 11:00:51] <cmdln> but that is really no different in RH/Centos/Fedora world
[04-Nov-2009 11:01:18] <cmdln> its like the RHCE i ran across "Its impossible to convert a system to raid 1 after os install"
[04-Nov-2009 11:01:25] <chudler> I see a difference, albeit slight. If the communities are truly no different, then only the size would matter. the truth lies somewhere between.
[04-Nov-2009 11:01:56] <cmdln> I think you definatly have more "newbs" on ubuntu
[04-Nov-2009 11:02:27] <cmdln> thn again I think i would prefer Solaris anyway
[04-Nov-2009 11:02:41] <cmdln> you really cant compete with ZFS
[04-Nov-2009 11:03:08] <cmdln> though package management is crap
[04-Nov-2009 11:03:15] <cmdln> dIMHO anyway
[04-Nov-2009 11:03:15] <zenethian> it's too bad Sun doesn't seem to care much about Solaris anymore.
[04-Nov-2009 11:03:26] <chudler> heh, yeah, its all crap outside of the world of debian.
[04-Nov-2009 11:03:44] <cmdln> zenethian: I think they are moving more to opensolaris slowly
[04-Nov-2009 11:04:09] <cmdln> and Ian Murdock works there or did last i knew, basically re-tooling a new apt for solaris/opensolaris
[04-Nov-2009 11:04:21] <zenethian> It's too bad Apple suddenly stopped their zfs project.
[04-Nov-2009 11:04:34] <chudler> true. OpenSolaris packaging has a firm ground and they're building it higher all the time. It is very deb like.
[04-Nov-2009 11:04:34] <cmdln> mmm
[04-Nov-2009 11:04:48] <chudler> It integrates sweetly with zfs also.
[04-Nov-2009 11:04:51] <cmdln> I have a friend who like apple servers
[04-Nov-2009 11:04:54] <zenethian> and now they're looking around saying "What ZFS? What's that? I have no idea what you're talking about....."
[04-Nov-2009 11:05:13] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 11:05:21] <cmdln> not something I would run myself, but again i think they have a nice desktop .... just not for me
[04-Nov-2009 11:05:30] <zenethian> =)
[04-Nov-2009 11:06:37] <chudler> maybe they will revamp hfs finally. again, I mean ;-)
[04-Nov-2009 11:12:22] <suprsonic> FreeBSD + ZFS = pwnage
[04-Nov-2009 11:12:54] * suprsonic had to put his two cents in.
[04-Nov-2009 11:16:02] <chudler> if I want to bump a version number on a zenpack, I just edit setup.py and run make again correct? Nothing else to change?
[04-Nov-2009 11:16:15] <mrayzenoss> correct
[04-Nov-2009 11:16:43] <chudler> cool thanks. New version coming up...
[04-Nov-2009 11:21:44] <mrayzenoss> I've seen a couple reports that the WMI Data Source 2.0.1 works with 2.5… anyone want to test?
[04-Nov-2009 11:27:06] <bigegor> hey
[04-Nov-2009 11:27:42] <mrayzenoss> greetings, I was just asking for WMI 2.0.1 testers
[04-Nov-2009 11:32:41] <rmatte> hmmm weird, one of our Zenoss servers had just suddenly stopped ping testing everything
[04-Nov-2009 11:32:48] <rmatte> had to restart Zenoss to get it going again
[04-Nov-2009 11:32:56] <rmatte> (we missed a ping down event because of it :S)
[04-Nov-2009 11:34:43] <rmatte> weird
[04-Nov-2009 11:34:51] <rmatte> the number of devices it was trying to ping increased right before it stopped trying to ping
[04-Nov-2009 11:34:59] <rmatte> 2009-11-04 11:17:20 WARNING zen.ZenPing: ip 10.61.224.246 is down
[04-Nov-2009 11:34:59] <rmatte> 2009-11-04 11:17:20 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 95 jobs in 3.06 seconds
[04-Nov-2009 11:34:59] <rmatte> 2009-11-04 11:18:18 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 83 jobs in 1.54 seconds
[04-Nov-2009 11:34:59] <rmatte> 2009-11-04 11:19:18 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 83 jobs in 1.53 seconds
[04-Nov-2009 11:35:16] <rmatte> then it pinged but never found anything down
[04-Nov-2009 11:35:20] <rmatte> even though stuff was down
[04-Nov-2009 11:35:33] <rmatte> oh well
[04-Nov-2009 11:35:43] <rmatte> ah 95 was the correct number
[04-Nov-2009 11:35:47] <rmatte> so it was actually pinging less
[04-Nov-2009 11:38:43] <chudler> hey mrayzenoss. Those changes to build-egg.sh (r412) keep destroying my .svn working directory, just FYI
[04-Nov-2009 11:39:32] <mrayzenoss> chudler: crap, that wasn't supposed to be checked in
[04-Nov-2009 11:39:54] <mrayzenoss> that gets around the stupid build limitations of our Python 2.4 stuff on OS X 10.6, I'll revert it
[04-Nov-2009 11:40:08] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: someone tested the 2.0.1 version of the WMI pack and said it worked quite well
[04-Nov-2009 11:40:33] <mrayzenoss> yeah, I'm talking to bigegor right now, he's got a 1.5 version for upgrading from 2.4.5 to 2.5
[04-Nov-2009 11:40:52] <rmatte> cool
[04-Nov-2009 11:40:54] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: I just install the WMIDataSource-Zenpack on my Test-System (VM-Appliance with zenoss 2.4.5) and after restart zenoss it says
[04-Nov-2009 11:40:55] <mrayzenoss> chudler: 412 has all sorts of stuff I didn't want to check in
[04-Nov-2009 11:41:52] <klinstifen> anyone know which logfile zeopack writes to?
[04-Nov-2009 11:42:04] <rmatte> Troubadix09: old WMI pack or new?
[04-Nov-2009 11:42:27] <rmatte> klinstifen: zeo.log?
[04-Nov-2009 11:42:28] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 11:42:28] <chudler> mrayzenoss: I thought so. I reverted locally. I thought I was going crazy when svn kept telling me I didnt have a working copy! heh
[04-Nov-2009 11:42:33] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: but only 3days history
[04-Nov-2009 11:42:38] <Troubadix09> ups
[04-Nov-2009 11:42:55] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: zenoss$ zenperfwmi start
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:00] <klinstifen> mkay thx
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:08] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: starting...
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:20] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: Traceback (most recent call last):
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:24] <rmatte> Troubadix09: old WMI pack or new?
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:34] <Troubadix09> rmatte: new
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:38] <rmatte> then that's your problem
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:43] <rmatte> the new pack doesn't work with 2.4.5
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:48] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: File "/home/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource-2.0.1-py2.4.egg/ZenPacks/community/WMIDataSource/zenperfwmi.py", line 35, in ?
[04-Nov-2009 11:43:55] <rmatte> but you need to install it on 2.4.5 before upgrading so that you don't trash your install
[04-Nov-2009 11:44:00] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: from Products.ZenCollector.daemon import CollectorDaemon
[04-Nov-2009 11:44:04] <rmatte> so you install that pack then upgrade immediately to 2.5
[04-Nov-2009 11:44:07] <rmatte> and then it works
[04-Nov-2009 11:44:15] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: ImportError: No module named ZenCollector.daemon
[04-Nov-2009 11:44:25] <rmatte> Troubadix09: the error is irrelevant
[04-Nov-2009 11:44:27] <rmatte> read what I said
[04-Nov-2009 11:44:48] <Troubadix09> rmatte: ok... sorry. I read it
[04-Nov-2009 11:45:00] <Troubadix09> rmatte: i try that
[04-Nov-2009 11:45:09] <rmatte> if you upgrade to 2.5 the pack will work fine
[04-Nov-2009 11:45:32] <Troubadix09> rmatte: we will see ... ;-)
[04-Nov-2009 11:45:44] <rmatte> Troubadix09: I've tested it myself and I'm sure it'll work
[04-Nov-2009 11:45:45] <rmatte> :P
[04-Nov-2009 11:47:14] <rmatte> It would be nice if zenprocess cycle time were graphed in the collector performance data
[04-Nov-2009 11:50:39] <mrayzenoss> chudler: svn update, I've rolled back my changes
[04-Nov-2009 11:57:52] <Troubadix09> hi gwb235
[04-Nov-2009 11:58:48] <Troubadix09> gwb235: for your question long time ago this paper could be helpful for zenoss core: http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/users_events_zproperties_paper.pdf
[04-Nov-2009 11:59:47] * mrayzenoss off to lunch
[04-Nov-2009 12:00:17] <Troubadix09> rmatte: "Creating rollback...warning: /home/zenoss/.fresh_install is missing (use remove if this is intentional)" thru upgrading, is this important
[04-Nov-2009 12:01:23] <rmatte> no
[04-Nov-2009 12:01:45] <rmatte> that shouldn't hurt anything
[04-Nov-2009 12:02:13] <gwb235> wdw: yes, we're using enterprise
[04-Nov-2009 12:04:42] <mdereus> When running ./uninstall is there any more cleanup that needs to be done such as removing the zenoss user or database before reinstalling?
[04-Nov-2009 12:05:45] <rmatte> no
[04-Nov-2009 12:05:50] <rmatte> uninstall cleans everything up
[04-Nov-2009 12:09:54] <mdereus> cool, thanks
[04-Nov-2009 12:10:13] <mdereus> I'm starting over since 2.5 and that one zenpack broke things. :(
[04-Nov-2009 12:11:33] <rmatte> yup
[04-Nov-2009 12:11:35] <rmatte> it tends to do that
[04-Nov-2009 12:15:23] <rmatte> sweet, just got my event filters built in to my ticket create script, booyeh
[04-Nov-2009 12:15:30] <Troubadix09> rmatte: hmm ... zenoss daemons starts without error ...
[04-Nov-2009 12:15:36] <rmatte> now I just need to code a config file for it
[04-Nov-2009 12:15:47] <rmatte> Troubadix09: then it's working
[04-Nov-2009 12:17:56] <Troubadix09> rmatte: i didn't trust the silence before I see a working event-console ..
[04-Nov-2009 12:18:05] <rmatte> :P
[04-Nov-2009 12:18:16] <rmatte> the thing about Zenoss is if it doesn't work, it makes noise
[04-Nov-2009 12:18:24] <rmatte> :)
[04-Nov-2009 12:20:15] <Troubadix09> rmatte: some non-zenoss-question: what means, when I shutdown my Linux the message nfs locking ........ [failed]
[04-Nov-2009 12:21:53] <Troubadix09> rmatte: are there 2.5 patches needed after upgrading?
[04-Nov-2009 12:24:08] <rmatte> Troubadix09: no
[04-Nov-2009 12:24:11] <rmatte> no patches
[04-Nov-2009 12:24:21] <rmatte> not sure about the nfs locking failed
[04-Nov-2009 12:24:28] <rmatte> shouldn't technically hurt anything
[04-Nov-2009 12:31:37] <Troubadix09> rmatte: after restart the server and restart zenoss again, zenwin and zeneventlog start and stop immediatly
[04-Nov-2009 12:32:03] <Troubadix09> rmatte: zenperfwmi stops with "/usr/lib/zope/bin/python: can't open file '/home/zenoss/zenperfwmi.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory"
[04-Nov-2009 12:32:06] <rmatte> check the logs for those daemons
[04-Nov-2009 12:32:25] <rmatte> why the hell is it looking in /home/zenoss for that file?
[04-Nov-2009 12:32:47] <rmatte> do echo $ZENHOME
[04-Nov-2009 12:32:51] <rmatte> what is it?
[04-Nov-2009 12:33:55] <Troubadix09> rmatte: /home/zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 12:34:03] <rmatte> then that's your problem
[04-Nov-2009 12:34:09] <rmatte> it's supposed to be /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 12:34:17] <rmatte> how did it get to /home/zenoss?
[04-Nov-2009 12:34:37] <Troubadix09> rmatte: zenwin and zeneventlog seems to be working after starting them manually
[04-Nov-2009 12:34:40] <rmatte> your environment variables for the zenoss user are totally screwed
[04-Nov-2009 12:34:47] <Troubadix09> rmatte: it is vm-appliance
[04-Nov-2009 12:34:52] <rmatte> oh
[04-Nov-2009 12:35:07] <Troubadix09> rmatte: there it is /home/zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 12:35:10] <rmatte> I've never used the VM appliance before... not sure how smoothly the upgrade actually works on it
[04-Nov-2009 12:35:21] <rmatte> did you try to use the stack installer on the vm appliance?
[04-Nov-2009 12:35:57] <rmatte> I'm pretty sure that there are specific upgrade instructions for the VM appliance
[04-Nov-2009 12:35:59] <Troubadix09> rmatte: no, i use conary update, as describe in Chapter 8.4 in Install-Guide
[04-Nov-2009 12:36:01] <rmatte> read the install guide for 2.5
[04-Nov-2009 12:36:05] <rmatte> ah
[04-Nov-2009 12:36:45] <Troubadix09> rmatte: i look carefully to this instructions an follow them
[04-Nov-2009 12:37:15] <Troubadix09> rmatte: I try to find this file and set a symbolic link
[04-Nov-2009 12:40:58] <rmatte> you shouldn't have to symlink stuff to make it work
[04-Nov-2009 12:41:26] <Troubadix09> rmatte: this is where i find it "/home/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource-2.0.1-py2.4.egg/ZenPacks/community/WMIDataSource"
[04-Nov-2009 12:41:40] <rmatte> ah
[04-Nov-2009 12:41:52] <rmatte> when the pack is installed it should tell Zenoss where to find it
[04-Nov-2009 12:42:58] <Troubadix09> rmatte: reinstall the Zenpack?
[04-Nov-2009 12:43:29] <rmatte> I'm not sure if the ZenPack was ever tested with the VM appliance is what I'm saying
[04-Nov-2009 12:47:38] <Troubadix09> rmatte: is it necessary to make such a long path for the Zenpacks?
[04-Nov-2009 12:49:45] <rmatte> yes
[04-Nov-2009 12:49:52] <rmatte> that's standard ZenPack formatting
[04-Nov-2009 12:50:57] <Troubadix09> rmatte: hmm.. my test-environment seems to be to slow, now zenprocess won't start after zenoss restart ... looking the log
[04-Nov-2009 12:51:46] <Troubadix09> rmatte: after manully starting the daemon it work
[04-Nov-2009 12:52:51] <Troubadix09> rmatte: after installing the zenpack again, it start and run ... I'm waiting some cycle to see if wmi-perf working
[04-Nov-2009 12:52:52] <rmatte> look through your log to see why it's failing
[04-Nov-2009 12:53:28] <Troubadix09> rmatte: nothing special in the zenprocess.log
[04-Nov-2009 12:55:11] <rmatte> try running the daemon with the -v10 option
[04-Nov-2009 12:55:23] <rmatte> zenprocess run -v10 --cycle
[04-Nov-2009 12:55:39] <rmatte> when you say "start it manually" how are you starting it?
[04-Nov-2009 13:00:16] <Troubadix09> rmatte : as user zenoss zenprocess start then zenprocess status to watch if its running
[04-Nov-2009 13:02:01] <rmatte> I see
[04-Nov-2009 13:02:07] <rmatte> but when you do a "zenoss start" it doesn't work?
[04-Nov-2009 13:02:34] <rmatte> by the way, don't do "zenoss restart" at all, processes don't come back up half the time
[04-Nov-2009 13:02:38] <rmatte> better to do zenoss stop
[04-Nov-2009 13:02:40] <rmatte> wait a few seconds
[04-Nov-2009 13:02:43] <rmatte> then zenoss start
[04-Nov-2009 13:04:03] <Troubadix09> rmatte: oh ... thats a nice tip ... best way to delete *.pid and *.zec in $ZENHOME/var I think
[04-Nov-2009 13:04:19] <Troubadix09> rmatte: before starting zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 13:04:27] <Troubadix09> rmatte: thanks
[04-Nov-2009 13:05:01] <Troubadix09> rmatte: all seems to be working well now
[04-Nov-2009 13:06:17] <Troubadix09> rmatte: well done ... I see a working event-console ... yipiyaye
[04-Nov-2009 13:06:25] <klinstifen> could someone tell me what their permissions are for data.fs
[04-Nov-2009 13:07:29] <klinstifen> mine is set to 644 but i want to make sure that's correct
[04-Nov-2009 13:08:19] <Troubadix09> klinstifen: mine is set to 775
[04-Nov-2009 13:09:45] <Troubadix09> rmatte: heiho ... hohei ... wmi-perf seems to work fine
[04-Nov-2009 13:10:39] <klinstifen> Troubad: thx
[04-Nov-2009 13:11:17] <Troubadix09> rmatte: thanks for listen to me, zenoss-team and Egor Puzanov: thanks for the great job
[04-Nov-2009 13:12:04] <rmatte> zenoss@lab01:/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/var$ ls -al | grep Data.fs
[04-Nov-2009 13:12:04] <rmatte> -rw-r--r-- 1 zenoss zenoss 289683455 2009-11-03 17:21 Data.fs
[04-Nov-2009 13:12:34] <Troubadix09> rmatte: tomorrow I will try to upgarde the production-system (with snapshot before) ;-) tomorrow
[04-Nov-2009 13:12:54] <rmatte> so...
[04-Nov-2009 13:13:02] <rmatte> chown zenoss:zenoss Data.fs
[04-Nov-2009 13:13:28] <Troubadix09> rmatte: hmm... I don't change the permission, have you change them?
[04-Nov-2009 13:13:34] <rmatte> Troubadix09: nope
[04-Nov-2009 13:13:37] <rmatte> stock permissions
[04-Nov-2009 13:13:42] <klinstifen> hmm
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:02] <rmatte> chmod 322 apparently
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:17] <Troubadix09> rmatte: sorry, what mean "stock" ?
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:20] <rmatte> erm
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:26] <rmatte> 644
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:27] <rmatte> rather
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:40] <rmatte> Troubadix09: stock means it's the way it came as
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:40] <kisielk> hm, my problem seems to be spreading
[04-Nov-2009 13:14:42] <rmatte> no modifications
[04-Nov-2009 13:16:19] <Troubadix09> rmatte: aeh... different permissions in different distro's/installs ?
[04-Nov-2009 13:16:56] <rmatte> possibly, I used stack installer
[04-Nov-2009 13:17:05] <rmatte> doubt it would be distro specific though
[04-Nov-2009 13:17:10] <rmatte> probably just based on the installation method
[04-Nov-2009 13:17:27] <Troubadix09> rmatte: make it sence?
[04-Nov-2009 13:18:00] <rmatte> Troubadix09: quite honestly, the VM appliance is more for just testing Zenoss out than actually monitoring stuff, you should really setup a Linux VM from scratch or get a box to dedicate to Zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 13:18:37] <rmatte> It's so that people can quickly download and demo it
[04-Nov-2009 13:19:07] <rmatte> food time, afk
[04-Nov-2009 13:19:08] <Troubadix09> rmatte: yes, i'm testing a migration to CentOS 5.3 in a VM
[04-Nov-2009 13:20:56] <Troubadix09> rmatte: I have trouble with SEL activated on CenOS 5.3
[04-Nov-2009 13:21:23] <rmatte> SEL = SuSe?
[04-Nov-2009 13:21:37] <Troubadix09> rmatte: no, Secure Enhanced Linux
[04-Nov-2009 13:21:41] <rmatte> ah
[04-Nov-2009 13:21:53] <rmatte> I don't really use RedHat or CentOS (I don't like it)
[04-Nov-2009 13:22:42] <Troubadix09> rmatte: I try ubuntu-server first time with zenoss and it work for a while, then from time to time ubuntu hangs#
[04-Nov-2009 13:23:12] <Troubadix09> rmatte: mostly the mysql hangs
[04-Nov-2009 13:23:13] <rmatte> hangs?
[04-Nov-2009 13:23:19] <rmatte> I've never seen that behaviour before with Ubuntu
[04-Nov-2009 13:23:32] <rmatte> I have 11 Zenoss Core servers running on Ubuntu without any issues
[04-Nov-2009 13:23:51] <Troubadix09> rmatte: yes, login goes, but no console activity shows
[04-Nov-2009 13:24:14] <rmatte> that's more of a configuration issue than anything
[04-Nov-2009 13:24:27] <rmatte> you would have to troubleshoot what's causing that
[04-Nov-2009 13:24:36] <rmatte> anyways, afk
[04-Nov-2009 13:24:45] <Troubadix09> rmatte: ok. cu
[04-Nov-2009 13:25:57] <l2huynh> anyone here have trouble with 2.5 event console not rendering in Firefox?
[04-Nov-2009 13:26:16] <mrayzenoss> l2huynh: there's a known issue on IE, but not FF
[04-Nov-2009 13:33:23] <l2huynh> I've dug through the forum for similar problems
[04-Nov-2009 13:34:05] <l2huynh> the event console rendered on IE and chrome but not FF for me
[04-Nov-2009 13:34:08] <l2huynh> that's strange
[04-Nov-2009 13:34:41] <klinstifen> did you try clearing the cache?
[04-Nov-2009 13:34:54] <rmatte> Man I keep liking python more and more: http://docs.python.org/library/configparser.html
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:03] <rmatte> library for parsing config files, frigging awesome
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:11] <adytum-bot> Title: 14.2. ConfigParser — Configuration file parser — Python v2.6.4 documentation (at docs.python.org)
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:29] <l2huynh> klinstifen: I did, many times
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:31] <rmatte> also the last thing that I need to complete this ticket daemon
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:48] <__jd__> lex/yacc
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:49] <klinstifen> rmatte: what will your ticket daemon do?
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:53] <l2huynh> I ended up reinstalling it this morning, worked for a while and then stopped working
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:54] <__jd__> :-X
[04-Nov-2009 13:35:56] <__jd__> :)
[04-Nov-2009 13:36:28] <rmatte> klinstifen: I'll show you the code that I have so far (excluding the actual daemon code, which is already done, I'm just testing the script as a non-daemon...)
[04-Nov-2009 13:37:04] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/ma743986 <--- There's the code, the printing at the bottom is just for debug, obviously won't be included in the final daemon
[04-Nov-2009 13:37:14] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[04-Nov-2009 13:37:57] <rmatte> basically it reads through the active event log, picks the oldest event, and calls on a ticket create script (while passing it a bunch of info), then it waits to make sure that the ticket create script completed successfully (it'll provide a negative value as the output instead of a ticket number if it doesn't)
[04-Nov-2009 13:38:15] <rmatte> then when it has confirmed that the ticket has been created it moves the event to history and moves on to the next event
[04-Nov-2009 13:38:31] <rmatte> it continues until the active event log is empty, then pauses 30 seconds before checking again
[04-Nov-2009 13:39:00] <klinstifen> is this to work in conjuction with a ticketing system you have?
[04-Nov-2009 13:39:06] <rmatte> correct
[04-Nov-2009 13:39:18] <rmatte> we're currently using the event manager's commands section to create tickets
[04-Nov-2009 13:39:37] <rmatte> but it is buggy in the sense that it'll only call to create a ticket the first time an event is generated, but not each time it increments
[04-Nov-2009 13:39:38] <klinstifen> that's pretty slick
[04-Nov-2009 13:40:06] <rmatte> this way tickets are always going to get created for events that we care about no matter what
[04-Nov-2009 13:40:31] <rmatte> the only problem is the way that zenoss handles status, it expects events to be in the active event console to show proper status of devices
[04-Nov-2009 13:40:41] <rmatte> so I may have to modify the script a bit to overcome that
[04-Nov-2009 13:41:30] <rmatte> It would be nice if status and events were treated separately
[04-Nov-2009 13:41:55] <klinstifen> wait...what? so if a ticket is just moved to the history before it is acked then the device shows the old status?
[04-Nov-2009 13:42:37] <rmatte> If a device is showing as down and you move the ping down event to history and check the device before Zenoss has time to generate another ping down event the device shows as up
[04-Nov-2009 13:42:42] <rmatte> which is stupid
[04-Nov-2009 13:43:15] <rmatte> It should know just from the fact that it didn't receive a ping clear event that the device is still down
[04-Nov-2009 13:43:31] <rmatte> same for the way that they are going to be doing interface status
[04-Nov-2009 13:43:39] <rmatte> it should go red on event and green on clear
[04-Nov-2009 13:44:04] <klinstifen> i never noticed this behavior
[04-Nov-2009 13:44:07] <klinstifen> i will have to take a closer look
[04-Nov-2009 13:47:19] <rmatte> I may have to ack the events instead of moving them to history
[04-Nov-2009 13:47:30] <rmatte> not sure how I'll make that work properly though
[04-Nov-2009 13:47:51] <klinstifen> to ack the events?
[04-Nov-2009 13:48:01] <rmatte> no, I can get it to ack the events easily
[04-Nov-2009 13:48:05] <rmatte> I mean the logistics of it
[04-Nov-2009 13:48:09] <klinstifen> ah
[04-Nov-2009 13:48:35] <klinstifen> why not just ack instead of moving to history
[04-Nov-2009 13:48:40] <rmatte> I've got the coding down, I just want to make this as efficient as possible
[04-Nov-2009 13:48:40] <klinstifen> the logstics would be the same
[04-Nov-2009 13:49:16] <rmatte> well, doesn't Zenoss basically stop incrementing the event count when you ack an event?
[04-Nov-2009 13:49:17] <klinstifen> unless you want to move them to history after the ticket is closed
[04-Nov-2009 13:49:29] <rmatte> hmmm, it doesn't...
[04-Nov-2009 13:49:44] <mrayzenoss> it continues to increment, it doesn't process further alerts
[04-Nov-2009 13:49:51] <rmatte> right
[04-Nov-2009 13:50:00] <klinstifen> but you aren't alerting
[04-Nov-2009 13:50:05] <klinstifen> you are just processing through the event console
[04-Nov-2009 13:50:14] <rmatte> the not processing further alerts is one of the reasons why I need to write this script in the first place
[04-Nov-2009 13:50:14] <klinstifen> err event list...wahtever
[04-Nov-2009 13:50:59] <rmatte> I need it to kick off every time the event increments
[04-Nov-2009 13:51:00] <klinstifen> guess you'd need a table of events that have been processed and their previous count...then you'd have to compare and see if it went up
[04-Nov-2009 13:51:18] <klinstifen> although this number could be built into your ticket number
[04-Nov-2009 13:51:19] <rmatte> yeh, I may have to do that, hmm
[04-Nov-2009 13:51:33] <klinstifen> ticket aaaa1 vs ticket aaaa2
[04-Nov-2009 13:51:50] <rmatte> it is technically built in to the ticket number, but that wouldn't work, because say the event gets moved to history by hand by someone, then the count is lower than what's in the ticket
[04-Nov-2009 13:52:04] <rmatte> we have an actual field in the ticket called "Event Count"
[04-Nov-2009 13:52:24] <rmatte> and it increments each time the ticket create script is run for an event when the event already exists
[04-Nov-2009 13:52:33] <rmatte> the ticket create script is extremely complex
[04-Nov-2009 13:53:14] <klinstifen> well if you running this every 30 seconds or so
[04-Nov-2009 13:53:21] <klinstifen> then it won't matter if the ticket is acked or not
[04-Nov-2009 13:53:26] <klinstifen> because it should catch the increment count
[04-Nov-2009 13:53:30] <klinstifen> on the next go around
[04-Nov-2009 13:53:43] <rmatte> no, I mean if the ticket is moved to history by hand
[04-Nov-2009 13:53:48] <rmatte> then it would totally screw the script up
[04-Nov-2009 13:54:03] <rmatte> I'd have to have a table kept within the daemon itself
[04-Nov-2009 13:54:10] <klinstifen> wouldn't you just end up with a dup ticket?
[04-Nov-2009 13:54:15] <rmatte> no
[04-Nov-2009 13:54:26] <rmatte> the ticket create script that I'm calling on auto-correlates
[04-Nov-2009 13:54:31] <rmatte> it's very intelligent
[04-Nov-2009 13:54:32] <rmatte> :)
[04-Nov-2009 13:55:04] <rmatte> so I really just need to feed data to it each time an event comes in (even if it's just incrementing an existing event count)
[04-Nov-2009 13:55:05] <klinstifen> i am missing something then...if it autocorrelates and it is running on a repeating basis...then why would the ticket being moved to the history cause a problem?
[04-Nov-2009 13:55:13] <davetoo> Nice. I managed to clobber ZenPortletManager somehow, messing around with skins.
[04-Nov-2009 13:55:40] <rmatte> klinstifen: because, the value for event count in the ticketing system will be higher than the event count in Zenoss after an event is moved to history and a new event is generated
[04-Nov-2009 13:56:00] <rmatte> the event count stored in the ticket could be like 156 but after moving the event to history in zenoss the event count in Zenoss is 1
[04-Nov-2009 13:56:21] <rmatte> so the event would have to make it all the way back up to 156 before it would start kicking off the ticket create script again
[04-Nov-2009 13:57:03] <klinstifen> couldn't you do a check...if zenoss event autocorrelates with ticket then it is the same thing (but was accidentally moved) so take smaller count and add to ticket count?
[04-Nov-2009 13:57:33] <rmatte> klinstifen: yeh it does that, I'm just saying that I can't use the count in the ticketing system as a basis for the script
[04-Nov-2009 13:57:40] <davetoo> Module OFS.Application, line 123, in __bobo_traverse__ KeyError: 'ZenPortletManager'
[04-Nov-2009 13:57:51] <rmatte> I need to keep an up to date table in the daemon of the current event counts and kick off each time they increase
[04-Nov-2009 13:58:13] <klinstifen> hmm
[04-Nov-2009 13:59:43] * davetoo wonders if he can run zenmigrate again to fix the relations and put zenportletmanager back
[04-Nov-2009 14:13:58] <rmatte> hmmmm, I think I just had a great idea lol
[04-Nov-2009 14:14:05] <rmatte> just need to test to see if it works
[04-Nov-2009 14:17:19] <rmatte> hmmm, didn't work
[04-Nov-2009 14:17:41] <rmatte> added a transform to /Events
[04-Nov-2009 14:17:41] <rmatte> if evt.eventState == 1:
[04-Nov-2009 14:17:42] <rmatte> evt.eventState = 0
[04-Nov-2009 14:17:50] <rmatte> doesn't work though
[04-Nov-2009 14:20:40] <Troubadix09> rmatte: when in the new event-console I try through the select-button select "new", to mark new events, i get down right a transparent window "Connection error"
[04-Nov-2009 14:21:10] <klinstifen> oh boy oh boy...zeopacking a data.fs that i moved to a diff server
[04-Nov-2009 14:21:15] * klinstifen crosses fingers
[04-Nov-2009 14:21:19] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 14:21:24] <cgibbons> what's the worst that could happen? :)
[04-Nov-2009 14:21:26] <Troubadix09> rmatte: short time after i try it again, it work
[04-Nov-2009 14:21:29] <rmatte> Troubadix09: it's having issues connecting to your MySQL server
[04-Nov-2009 14:21:59] <rmatte> Troubadix09: are you sure that VM has sufficient resources to run Zenoss?
[04-Nov-2009 14:22:12] <rmatte> Troubadix09: Zenoss can be fairly intensive, does it have at least 2GB of RAM allocated to it?
[04-Nov-2009 14:22:36] <Troubadix09> rmatte: hmm ... 4GB RAM, two 4coreProc
[04-Nov-2009 14:22:48] <rmatte> then no idea, it should be working fine
[04-Nov-2009 14:23:00] <rmatte> then again I haven't worked with 2.5 much other than some basic Beta testing
[04-Nov-2009 14:23:08] <rmatte> since I don't personally think it's production ready yet
[04-Nov-2009 14:23:26] <rmatte> the current release should have been an RC2
[04-Nov-2009 14:23:38] <Troubadix09> rmatte: hehe
[04-Nov-2009 14:25:24] <klinstifen> data.fs you are supposed to shrink not grow
[04-Nov-2009 14:25:34] <klinstifen> zeopack, pack!
[04-Nov-2009 14:25:44] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 14:25:51] <cgibbons> I think the reality is if it was just RC2 then the issues that showed up wouldn't have been found as a lot of peeps were doing real upgrades to test the betas/RCs.
[04-Nov-2009 14:27:30] <rmatte> cgibbons: true, I'm just saying that because a few really obvious things weren't fixed in it
[04-Nov-2009 14:27:58] <cgibbons> they weren't obvious until peeps discovered them, no?
[04-Nov-2009 14:28:33] <rmatte> I'd been mentioning to have an option to specify the range that you wanted to view for the event history ever since the first beta
[04-Nov-2009 14:28:36] <rmatte> and it's still not fixed
[04-Nov-2009 14:28:38] <rmatte> for example
[04-Nov-2009 14:29:02] <rmatte> I'd also been mentioning how you should be able to enable monitoring on a port that was previously admin down without having to remodel the entire device
[04-Nov-2009 14:29:40] <rmatte> the history range has not been addressed and the monitoring fix had been labeled for Stone Crab in Trac
[04-Nov-2009 14:29:52] <rmatte> s/had/hs
[04-Nov-2009 14:29:54] <rmatte> has*
[04-Nov-2009 14:30:35] <rmatte> until both of those things are fixed I won't be using it for prod
[04-Nov-2009 14:30:48] <rmatte> I can't afford to remodel an entire switch just to enable monitoring on a port, it's ridiculous
[04-Nov-2009 14:31:13] <cgibbons> that issue is no different than it is today though, no?
[04-Nov-2009 14:32:01] <rmatte> incorrect, if I temporarily disable monitoring on a port I can re-enable it without remodelling the whole device because the port is showing green (since the status only updates on remodel)
[04-Nov-2009 14:32:35] <rmatte> and I can enable monitoring on a port even if it's showing as down, it just won't monitor it until it shows as up
[04-Nov-2009 14:32:46] <rmatte> so it's similar, but not as bad as it is in 2.5
[04-Nov-2009 14:33:55] <rmatte> speaking of which, do you know what class events need to be generated for to change the interface status icons in King Crab?
[04-Nov-2009 14:34:03] <rmatte> Chet had mentioned it to me a while back but I can't remember
[04-Nov-2009 14:34:05] <cgibbons> nope
[04-Nov-2009 14:34:15] <cgibbons> Chet is your man for all that stuff
[04-Nov-2009 14:34:51] <rmatte> I want to monitor the instructions here: docs/DOC-2494 to work with King Crab
[04-Nov-2009 14:34:57] <rmatte> won't be hard, just a couple quick changes
[04-Nov-2009 14:34:58] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Polling Interface Status (at community.zenoss.org)
[04-Nov-2009 14:35:09] <rmatte> s/monitor/modify
[04-Nov-2009 14:35:22] <rmatte> my fingers are moving faster than my brain right now :P
[04-Nov-2009 14:36:33] <rmatte> hmmmm, it's probably /Perf/Interface
[04-Nov-2009 14:43:54] <klinstifen> rmatte: do you monitor links between satellite locations or are you just using zenoss to monitor servers switches?
[04-Nov-2009 14:45:48] <klinstifen> or does anyone for that matter
[04-Nov-2009 14:46:00] <klinstifen> if you do are you using the Google Map portle or something else?
[04-Nov-2009 14:46:19] <chemist> we monitor 40+ locations
[04-Nov-2009 14:47:06] <chemist> but and we use the googlemaps portlet
[04-Nov-2009 14:47:18] <chemist> however, we dont use the links feaure
[04-Nov-2009 14:47:27] <klinstifen> yeah...
[04-Nov-2009 14:47:34] <klinstifen> just the little dots, right?
[04-Nov-2009 14:47:35] <chemist> *feature
[04-Nov-2009 14:47:38] <chemist> yes
[04-Nov-2009 14:48:05] <klinstifen> i am using weathermap, but it is getting old
[04-Nov-2009 14:48:14] <chemist> never used it
[04-Nov-2009 14:48:15] <klinstifen> wondering if there is a better way
[04-Nov-2009 14:50:11] <chemist> well , if you only need to monitor the status of the devices, google maps works well
[04-Nov-2009 14:50:35] <klinstifen> i used networkweathermap
[04-Nov-2009 14:50:39] <klinstifen> to see status and link activity
[04-Nov-2009 14:50:56] <chemist> our network has a few peculiarities that mean we cant use the lines for the links
[04-Nov-2009 14:50:59] <klinstifen> every now and then one of our locations goes nuts and monopolizes the t1
[04-Nov-2009 14:51:07] <klinstifen> yeah
[04-Nov-2009 14:51:10] <klinstifen> i hear yea
[04-Nov-2009 14:51:15] <klinstifen> i started off with the link feature
[04-Nov-2009 14:51:18] <klinstifen> but then ditched it
[04-Nov-2009 14:51:33] <klinstifen> because i had to create manual interfaces to get everything to look the way it actually worked
[04-Nov-2009 14:52:09] <chemist> is that the fake interface method to get dependencies working?
[04-Nov-2009 14:52:39] <klinstifen> yeah i think so
[04-Nov-2009 14:54:11] <klinstifen> hey, this zeopack is working now
[04-Nov-2009 14:54:23] <klinstifen> 100% disk utilization...ha!
[04-Nov-2009 14:55:11] <klinstifen> will have to mention this technique in the forums or something...didnt see it covered before
[04-Nov-2009 14:57:31] <rmatte> yeh, interesting
[04-Nov-2009 15:07:08] <venturaville> anyone else at LISA today?
[04-Nov-2009 15:07:18] <rmatte> aha, just found the zPreferSnmpNaming option
[04-Nov-2009 15:11:30] <rmatte> was wondering why it wasn't picking up on device names via snmp
[04-Nov-2009 15:14:39] <klinstifen> hahah...just packed my 24GB data.fs down to ....
[04-Nov-2009 15:14:43] <klinstifen> 33MB
[04-Nov-2009 15:14:48] <rmatte> nice
[04-Nov-2009 15:14:53] <klinstifen> mmm disk space
[04-Nov-2009 15:15:04] <rmatte> it's obviously not usable while packed?
[04-Nov-2009 15:15:29] <klinstifen> wha? up and running right now
[04-Nov-2009 15:15:34] <rmatte> really?
[04-Nov-2009 15:15:37] <rmatte> that must be intensive?
[04-Nov-2009 15:15:37] <klinstifen> yeah
[04-Nov-2009 15:16:02] <klinstifen> gonna remove symlinks and restart and look for errors
[04-Nov-2009 15:16:04] <klinstifen> but i think i am ok
[04-Nov-2009 15:16:18] <klinstifen> oh you mean zenoss must have been slow while packing?
[04-Nov-2009 15:16:26] <rmatte> so to be clear, your Zenoss instance is actually actively using the 33MB file?
[04-Nov-2009 15:16:48] <klinstifen> that's why i am going to restart
[04-Nov-2009 15:16:49] <rmatte> and you've gained like 23GB of disk space?
[04-Nov-2009 15:17:05] <klinstifen> it may be refrencing the data.fs copy i moved off the box
[04-Nov-2009 15:17:11] * klinstifen zenoss restart
[04-Nov-2009 15:17:12] <rmatte> that's possible
[04-Nov-2009 15:17:23] <rmatte> zenoss restart blows
[04-Nov-2009 15:17:31] <rmatte> zenoss stop && sleep 3 && zenoss start
[04-Nov-2009 15:17:57] <klinstifen> meh
[04-Nov-2009 15:18:06] <klinstifen> i am a traditionalist
[04-Nov-2009 15:18:06] <zenethian> I am really not certain why restart isn't exactly that line anyway.
[04-Nov-2009 15:20:25] <klinstifen> up and running
[04-Nov-2009 15:20:40] <klinstifen> what goes in data.fs?
[04-Nov-2009 15:20:43] <rmatte> zenethian: without the sleep
[04-Nov-2009 15:20:45] <klinstifen> event cache?
[04-Nov-2009 15:21:11] <rmatte> zenethian: I've had numerous occasions where I did a zenoss restart and some of the daemons didn't come up because it didn't even give them enough time to shut down before trying to start them again
[04-Nov-2009 15:21:30] <rmatte> zenethian: someone I was helping earlier had the same problem, so I told them to use stop and start instead and it came up fine
[04-Nov-2009 15:21:52] <Troubadix09> rmatte: that was me ;-)
[04-Nov-2009 15:21:53] <zenethian> yeah, which makes sense. maybe someday I'll monkey a delay into that. I wonder if there are any reasons not to, though.
[04-Nov-2009 15:22:09] <rmatte> I doubt it, it just probably wasn't thought of
[04-Nov-2009 15:22:27] <klinstifen> do either of you know what goes into data.fs?
[04-Nov-2009 15:22:42] <rmatte> klinstifen: the entire Zope database
[04-Nov-2009 15:22:52] <rmatte> settings, devices, you name it
[04-Nov-2009 15:22:56] <rmatte> everything except for events
[04-Nov-2009 15:23:01] <klinstifen> that's a lot of fluff then if it gets packed down from 24gb to 33mb
[04-Nov-2009 15:23:03] <Troubadix09> zenethian: maybe stop zenoss, delete *.pid and *.zec in $ZENHOME/var, then start, work well
[04-Nov-2009 15:23:23] <rmatte> klinstifen: agreed
[04-Nov-2009 15:23:33] <rmatte> klinstifen: so did it actually work?
[04-Nov-2009 15:23:52] <rmatte> klinstifen: it's basically just one big flat file
[04-Nov-2009 15:24:21] <zenethian> I wouldn't delete them, I'd imagine the best thing to do is to stop, wait for them to be deleted naturally and then continue with start
[04-Nov-2009 15:24:35] <klinstifen> yeah i am back up
[04-Nov-2009 15:24:44] <klinstifen> gonna reboot the box for good measure
[04-Nov-2009 15:24:55] <davetoo> BadRequest: The id "FUJITSU LIMITED/HAL Computer Systems" contains characters illegal in URLs.
[04-Nov-2009 15:25:36] <rmatte> davetoo: obviously lol
[04-Nov-2009 15:25:38] <Troubadix09> zenethian: I never seen that after zenoss stop all daemons, no pid-file or no zec-file is there
[04-Nov-2009 15:25:54] <Troubadix09> zenethian: always some of them left
[04-Nov-2009 15:26:54] <rmatte> I actually never even get zec files
[04-Nov-2009 15:26:57] <rmatte> zenoss@lab01:/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss$ find . -name "*.zec"
[04-Nov-2009 15:26:58] <rmatte> zenoss@lab01:/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss$
[04-Nov-2009 15:27:54] <rmatte> I've screwed with my zope config a bit, increase the zserver-threads value and the pool-size
[04-Nov-2009 15:28:08] <rmatte> s/increase/increased
[04-Nov-2009 15:28:17] <jrock2004> Has anyone had any issues after upgrading to 2.5 that you cannot view the event console on some devices?
[04-Nov-2009 15:28:50] <rmatte> jrock2004: are you using Internet Explorer?
[04-Nov-2009 15:29:23] <jrock2004> rmatte: You know I did not think about that. I am using a custom web broser. heheh
[04-Nov-2009 15:29:35] <rmatte> yeh, use a supported browser :P
[04-Nov-2009 15:29:38] <rmatte> I recommend firefox
[04-Nov-2009 15:30:50] <zenethian> "I'm sorry, sir, I realize you really enjoy using Mosaic, and that Firefox 3 can't run on your 486 DX2/66, but we just can't accomodate you at this time."
[04-Nov-2009 15:31:01] * jrock2004 embarrassed
[04-Nov-2009 15:31:07] <davetoo> xMosaic :)
[04-Nov-2009 15:31:41] <rmatte> Mosaic, omg, I remember that thing
[04-Nov-2009 15:31:43] <klinstifen> ok i am back up
[04-Nov-2009 15:31:45] <zenethian> actually if you had a working 486 with Mosaic on it, I'd give you props. :)
[04-Nov-2009 15:31:47] <klinstifen> everything looks good so far
[04-Nov-2009 15:32:10] <rmatte> I remember using Mosaic on my 486 DX2/33
[04-Nov-2009 15:32:15] <rmatte> :)
[04-Nov-2009 15:32:59] <rmatte> the 8 megs of ram made that thing fly :)
[04-Nov-2009 15:33:19] <rmatte> and the 500MB hard drive was really impressive :P
[04-Nov-2009 15:33:27] <rmatte> then we got a 1GB HD in addition to it
[04-Nov-2009 15:34:23] <zenethian> Trumpet Winsock, Netscape Navigator 3.0, and mIRC 4.5 was all I needed to conquer the world.
[04-Nov-2009 15:34:53] <chemist> and a trusty 56k modem
[04-Nov-2009 15:35:15] <zenethian> no way, when I was doing that it was an external 14.4k modem.
[04-Nov-2009 15:35:28] <chemist> wow
[04-Nov-2009 15:35:31] <rmatte> yeh, I had an internl 14.4 in my DX2/33
[04-Nov-2009 15:35:46] <rmatte> you'd click on a link then go watch tv for half an hour as the page loaded
[04-Nov-2009 15:36:06] <zenethian> V90/V92 didn't come around until like 1998.
[04-Nov-2009 15:36:10] <zenethian> for 56k
[04-Nov-2009 15:36:15] <rmatte> yup
[04-Nov-2009 15:36:17] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: there is an IE7/8 issue with 2.5: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5722
[04-Nov-2009 15:36:25] <zenethian> I am thinking back to 1993
[04-Nov-2009 15:36:25] <rmatte> I had a 33.6 after the 14.4 for the longest time
[04-Nov-2009 15:36:29] <rmatte> then I finally got a 56k
[04-Nov-2009 15:37:00] <zenethian> Oh man, I remember upgrading to a 28.8k with hardware-based compression. I felt like I was flying.
[04-Nov-2009 15:37:04] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: I was using a browser called Fluid. I forgot about that
[04-Nov-2009 15:37:22] <chemist> I ulived in spain then, the only purpose of a modem was to connect to REALLY EXPENSIVE USA based BBS
[04-Nov-2009 15:37:27] <rmatte> yeh, the hardware based compression was really nice
[04-Nov-2009 15:38:21] <rmatte> I remember hopping through BBS systems on an old external 9600 baud modem on a 386 that my dad had brought home from the school he worked at
[04-Nov-2009 15:38:38] <rmatte> we didn't even own a computer at the time
[04-Nov-2009 15:38:43] <zenethian> ah, memories.
[04-Nov-2009 15:38:53] <rmatte> yup
[04-Nov-2009 15:39:11] <rmatte> I'm pretty young compared to you guys probably too, I just got interested in computers at a really young age lol
[04-Nov-2009 15:39:26] <zenethian> Some day, as a joke, at the next all-hands meeting I should show up and plop my old PC Convertable down on the conference table instead of my Macbook. :D
[04-Nov-2009 15:39:30] <chemist> who you calling old?
[04-Nov-2009 15:39:38] <rmatte> oldy
[04-Nov-2009 15:39:39] <cgibbons> lemme go get my walker...
[04-Nov-2009 15:39:45] <chemist> hehe
[04-Nov-2009 15:39:48] <rmatte> don't forget your oxygen
[04-Nov-2009 15:40:06] <rmatte> >:)
[04-Nov-2009 15:40:17] <rmatte> zenethian: that would be a great prank hehe
[04-Nov-2009 15:40:36] <rmatte> I'd love to get an oldschool laptop shell and build a modern day laptop from it
[04-Nov-2009 15:40:52] <rmatte> make a little retro netbook
[04-Nov-2009 15:41:11] <chemist> I got 2 Compaq Contura's on the desk behind me
[04-Nov-2009 15:41:15] <zenethian> that would be neat except this thing is made of steel and weighs 30lbs.
[04-Nov-2009 15:41:29] <rmatte> hehe
[04-Nov-2009 15:41:40] <rmatte> still lighter than my server at home, thing weigh 110lbs
[04-Nov-2009 15:41:49] <rmatte> weighs*
[04-Nov-2009 15:41:54] <zenethian> but it has beautiful mechanical clicky-keys http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9a/Ibm-convertible.jpg
[04-Nov-2009 15:42:03] <rmatte> I love clicky keys
[04-Nov-2009 15:43:04] <chemist> just tried booting one of those compaq's
[04-Nov-2009 15:43:09] <chemist> and it works!!
[04-Nov-2009 15:43:15] <rmatte> haha, nice
[04-Nov-2009 15:43:18] <chemist> MSDOS 6.2
[04-Nov-2009 15:43:39] <zenethian> Pics or it didn't happen. :o)
[04-Nov-2009 15:43:54] <rmatte> :)
[04-Nov-2009 15:45:22] <rmatte> got Wordperfect 5.1 on that thing?
[04-Nov-2009 15:45:31] <chemist> coming right up
[04-Nov-2009 15:45:37] <rmatte> hehe
[04-Nov-2009 15:45:43] <zenethian> Wordperfect 5.1 was the awesome.
[04-Nov-2009 15:45:59] <rmatte> http://www2.purplecow.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/wordperfect-51-dos.png
[04-Nov-2009 15:46:11] <rmatte> who was the idiot who thought that blue was a soothing background color
[04-Nov-2009 15:46:32] <rmatte> I remember using WP 5.1, my eyes were practically bleeding after about a half hour of typing
[04-Nov-2009 15:47:29] <zenethian> I had remapped the entire color scheme
[04-Nov-2009 15:47:59] <rmatte> ah, I never bothered
[04-Nov-2009 15:48:07] <klinstifen> rmatte: i had a bunch of people in my legal department that swore by that blue background
[04-Nov-2009 15:48:17] <klinstifen> the reconfigured their word templates when we upgraded them
[04-Nov-2009 15:48:21] <rmatte> klinstifen: eugh
[04-Nov-2009 15:48:35] <rmatte> klinstifen: I'm sure their eye doctors are loving the business
[04-Nov-2009 15:48:41] <klinstifen> yeah i always wanted to delete normal.dot when i would fix their computers
[04-Nov-2009 15:48:47] <klinstifen> but they would have flipped
[04-Nov-2009 15:48:48] <rmatte> hehe
[04-Nov-2009 15:49:26] <rmatte> "GIVE ME MY BLUE BACK!"
[04-Nov-2009 15:49:52] <klinstifen> yep
[04-Nov-2009 15:50:34] <Troubadix09> in our business we have a secretary who want green Backround all over
[04-Nov-2009 15:51:12] <klinstifen> haha
[04-Nov-2009 15:51:20] <rmatte> horrid
[04-Nov-2009 15:51:26] <Troubadix09> she says it calm down her
[04-Nov-2009 15:51:49] <rmatte> yes, because I'm sure that secretarial work had a tendency to really rev you up
[04-Nov-2009 15:51:53] <Troubadix09> it was lightgreen
[04-Nov-2009 15:52:01] <rmatte> s/had/has
[04-Nov-2009 15:54:07] <Troubadix09> mmm ... 386/DX with mono-amber CRT and multiplan on DOS 5.x
[04-Nov-2009 15:54:29] <chemist> sorry, had to find usb cable for my phone
[04-Nov-2009 15:54:31] <rmatte> does anyone know how you'd go about creating a disk threshold, but one that triggers on abnormal growth rather than on overall size?
[04-Nov-2009 15:54:43] <chemist> but here it is http://imagebin.ca/view/a21tua.html
[04-Nov-2009 15:54:44] <rmatte> like, if the disk were to suddenly grow 300GB in an hour or something it would trigger
[04-Nov-2009 15:54:53] <adytum-bot> Title: 04112009131.jpg (at imagebin.ca)
[04-Nov-2009 15:56:00] <zenethian> wow those are some really big keys
[04-Nov-2009 15:56:26] <chemist> yeah, its about the only thing that is big on those
[04-Nov-2009 15:56:34] <chemist> everything else is small
[04-Nov-2009 15:58:30] <Troubadix09> oh .. 11:00PM ... sleeptime
[04-Nov-2009 15:58:38] <Troubadix09> cu all later
[04-Nov-2009 15:59:11] <chemist> bye
[04-Nov-2009 16:06:54] <klinstifen> last question before i take off for the night
[04-Nov-2009 16:07:04] <rmatte> yup?
[04-Nov-2009 16:07:18] <klinstifen> when i do a device/ip search the results are returned after a lonnng time
[04-Nov-2009 16:07:23] <klinstifen> anyone else running into that issue?
[04-Nov-2009 16:07:33] <rmatte> nope, fairly quick
[04-Nov-2009 16:07:43] <rmatte> only takes like a second
[04-Nov-2009 16:08:01] <rmatte> how many devices?
[04-Nov-2009 16:08:33] <klinstifen> 39
[04-Nov-2009 16:09:00] <rmatte> lol, I just did a search on a server with 380 devices and it came back in a split second
[04-Nov-2009 16:09:38] <klinstifen> sigh
[04-Nov-2009 16:09:43] <klinstifen> still waiting...
[04-Nov-2009 16:10:30] <klinstifen> i installed another app that utilizes mysql
[04-Nov-2009 16:10:35] <klinstifen> i wonder if it mucked something up
[04-Nov-2009 16:10:48] <klinstifen> ah well will have to troubleshoot that tomorrow
[04-Nov-2009 16:10:54] <rmatte> well, when you're searching for devices it's not even touching MySQL
[04-Nov-2009 16:10:57] <rmatte> that's all done in Zope
[04-Nov-2009 16:10:58] * zenethian refrains from making snide comments about mysql
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:01] <rmatte> which you just compressed
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:03] <klinstifen> oh..right
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:07] <rmatte> maybe the compression is affecting it
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:23] <klinstifen> maybe
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:28] <rmatte> the only things stores in MySQL are the actual events
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:29] * zenethian rewinds the chat to figure out what you compressed
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:34] <rmatte> and MySQL is generally very responsive
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:42] <klinstifen> but for 39 devices a 24gb zope db seemed big
[04-Nov-2009 16:11:55] <klinstifen> zenethian: data.fs
[04-Nov-2009 16:12:04] <zenethian> ah ok
[04-Nov-2009 16:12:05] <rmatte> zenethian: he managed to compress his Data.fs file from 25GB to 33MB and still actively use it apparently
[04-Nov-2009 16:12:12] <rmatte> but I'm thinking that has to be super intensive
[04-Nov-2009 16:12:21] <rmatte> as it's probably decompressing it on the fly to access parts of it
[04-Nov-2009 16:12:53] <rmatte> klinstifen: it shouldn't be anywhere near 24GB
[04-Nov-2009 16:13:04] <klinstifen> rmatte: how big is your data.fs with 380 devices?
[04-Nov-2009 16:13:22] <klinstifen> yeah...well...it was
[04-Nov-2009 16:13:32] <rmatte> Here's my Data.fs on a server with 380 devices
[04-Nov-2009 16:13:33] <rmatte> -rw-r--r-- 1 zenoss zenoss 759M 2009-11-04 15:58 Data.fs
[04-Nov-2009 16:13:48] <rmatte> and that's a very active server
[04-Nov-2009 16:15:22] <klinstifen> well somehow mine grew quite large
[04-Nov-2009 16:15:30] <klinstifen> and packing was my only option
[04-Nov-2009 16:15:38] <klinstifen> as i ran out of space on my server
[04-Nov-2009 16:16:41] <klinstifen> grr
[04-Nov-2009 16:16:46] <klinstifen> ah well manana
[04-Nov-2009 16:16:48] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 16:16:53] <klinstifen> time to punch out
[04-Nov-2009 16:16:55] <klinstifen> later all
[04-Nov-2009 16:16:57] <rmatte> later
[04-Nov-2009 16:20:15] <rmatte> zenethian: started any dev work yet or still learning the lay of the land?
[04-Nov-2009 16:20:35] <zenethian> Yeah, working on some UI stuff. :)
[04-Nov-2009 16:20:55] <rmatte> cool
[04-Nov-2009 16:24:59] <__jd__> do any of you actually work out of the HQ? :P
[04-Nov-2009 16:25:19] <rmatte> actually most of the devs are at one of the 2 HQs
[04-Nov-2009 16:25:29] <rmatte> there are a couple remote
[04-Nov-2009 16:25:31] <zenethian> I work in the Austin office where the majority of the rest of the devs lurk.
[04-Nov-2009 16:25:43] <__jd__> ah.. didn't know there were 2 HQs :)
[04-Nov-2009 16:26:13] <zenethian> Annapolis is the official headquarters.
[04-Nov-2009 16:26:25] <zenethian> I believe. I dunno. That's all politics. :)
[04-Nov-2009 16:26:25] <__jd__> but hard to hire there? :)
[04-Nov-2009 16:26:46] <rmatte> they only recently had the need for more devs so they hired some
[04-Nov-2009 16:26:48] <rmatte> :P
[04-Nov-2009 16:27:11] <__jd__> there are so few tech jobs in annapolis, I think people don't even look.. :P
[04-Nov-2009 16:27:19] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 16:27:34] <rmatte> I like Ottawa, we're a very techy city
[04-Nov-2009 16:27:43] <__jd__> USi, Arinc, ZenOSS! And I suppose the maryland gov
[04-Nov-2009 16:29:38] bzed_ is now known as bzed
[04-Nov-2009 16:30:59] <rmatte> We want MOAR PONIES! http://images.ponyaday.com/2008W/2008-01-05-patchwork-ponies.jpg
[04-Nov-2009 16:39:37] <chemist> rmatte: you have too much time on your hands :)
[04-Nov-2009 16:41:31] <rmatte> :P
[04-Nov-2009 16:42:09] <rmatte> nah, just taking a break
[04-Nov-2009 16:42:13] <rmatte> and using it wisely as you can see
[04-Nov-2009 16:46:03] <zenethian> that was a very strange non-sequitur
[04-Nov-2009 16:46:54] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 16:47:31] <rmatte> it's actually a common feature request for Zenoss
[04-Nov-2009 16:47:40] <rmatte> ask Matt Ray next time you speak with him
[04-Nov-2009 16:48:05] <mrayzenoss> yeah, apparently there's a pony shortage in Ottawa
[04-Nov-2009 16:48:12] <rmatte> yup
[04-Nov-2009 16:48:36] <zenethian> I wonder if anyone uses Zenoss to monitor ponies.
[04-Nov-2009 16:48:39] <rmatte> I saw that you linked that image on your blog lol
[04-Nov-2009 16:49:42] <mrayzenoss> glad you enjoyed that
[04-Nov-2009 16:50:01] <chemist> we use it to monitr dogs
[04-Nov-2009 16:50:11] <chemist> or dog tracks in any case
[04-Nov-2009 16:50:36] <rmatte> cats are more redundant, when they fall they always land on their feet
[04-Nov-2009 16:50:59] <chemist> yeah, but our dogs are really fast
[04-Nov-2009 16:51:00] <mrayzenoss> chemist: like greyhound racing?
[04-Nov-2009 16:51:05] <chemist> yes
[04-Nov-2009 16:51:09] <rmatte> haha
[04-Nov-2009 16:52:02] <chemist> we provide a video director system and tote betting system to 40 odd tracks accross uk and ireland
[04-Nov-2009 16:52:08] <mrayzenoss> I've got a greyhound… he doesn't need much monitoring: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mray/69259368/
[04-Nov-2009 16:52:15] <adytum-bot> Title: IMG_0784 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com)
[04-Nov-2009 16:52:28] <rmatte> hehe
[04-Nov-2009 16:52:56] <rmatte> Loki, cool name
[04-Nov-2009 16:53:04] <rmatte> is the dog mischievious?
[04-Nov-2009 16:53:09] <chemist> god of mischiev
[04-Nov-2009 16:53:12] <mrayzenoss> mostly lazy
[04-Nov-2009 16:53:19] <mrayzenoss> his racing name: SP's Beerman
[04-Nov-2009 16:53:31] <rmatte> lol
[04-Nov-2009 16:53:34] <chemist> my friend has named his son Loki
[04-Nov-2009 16:53:51] <chemist> I keep telling him he's asking for trouble
[04-Nov-2009 16:54:14] <chemist> mrayzenoss: where did he race?
[04-Nov-2009 16:54:21] <chemist> USA?
[04-Nov-2009 16:54:22] <mrayzenoss> Corpus Christi, Texas
[04-Nov-2009 16:54:24] <mrayzenoss> yeah
[04-Nov-2009 16:54:41] <mrayzenoss> http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=220388
[04-Nov-2009 16:54:48] <rmatte> oddly enough there's a piece of literature called "Intestinal dysfunction associated with acute thoracolumbar fractures." written by S P Beerman
[04-Nov-2009 16:54:52] <adytum-bot> Title: Pedigree of SP's Beerman (at www.greyhound-data.com)
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:17] <mrayzenoss> his race history: http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?l=220388&z=ZO7Xwj
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:28] <mrayzenoss> I love the comment in his last race… "Lacked effort"
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:28] <rmatte> cool
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:34] <rmatte> haha
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:34] <chemist> is greyhound racing a big thing in the US?
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:37] <adytum-bot> Title: Race results of SP's Beerman (at www.greyhound-data.com)
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:46] <mrayzenoss> it's decreasing in popularity
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:53] <rmatte> "Never Challenged"
[04-Nov-2009 16:55:57] <chemist> same as here
[04-Nov-2009 16:56:12] <mrayzenoss> but retired racers make great pets
[04-Nov-2009 16:56:26] <rmatte> hmmm, he did win a few first places
[04-Nov-2009 16:56:30] <chemist> yeah, been thinking of getting one myself
[04-Nov-2009 16:56:47] <chemist> we get a trade magazine, with a weird title
[04-Nov-2009 16:56:51] <rmatte> won first place in first race ever
[04-Nov-2009 16:57:01] <chemist> 'Retired greyhounds by post'
[04-Nov-2009 16:58:24] <chemist> anyway, the dogs have finished here, so I can go home
[04-Nov-2009 16:58:29] <chemist> bye
[04-Nov-2009 16:58:31] <mrayzenoss> later
[04-Nov-2009 16:59:49] <rmatte> crazy that they track the geneology of the dogs so closely
[04-Nov-2009 16:59:56] <rmatte> anyways, time for me to head out
[04-Nov-2009 16:59:58] <rmatte> ttyl
[04-Nov-2009 17:00:00] <mrayzenoss> later
[04-Nov-2009 17:27:30] <zenethian> You would think that in 2009 we wouldn't have netsplits.
[04-Nov-2009 18:21:53] <davetoo> *sigh*
[04-Nov-2009 18:22:28] <davetoo> Why do people send .jpg screencaps of network analysis tool results when they could export a .csv and mail it to me?
[04-Nov-2009 18:22:57] <one_2_one> hi all
[04-Nov-2009 18:23:57] <one_2_one> ive setup snmp, but zenoss is only getting info at localhost
[04-Nov-2009 18:24:27] <one_2_one> using the ip of the host... just pings
[04-Nov-2009 18:25:17] <one_2_one> my snmpd config http://pastebin.com/m6d0b9fd3
[04-Nov-2009 18:25:27] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
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[05-Nov-2009 05:55:12] <mnandres> Hello
[05-Nov-2009 05:59:47] <Troubadix09> hello
[05-Nov-2009 06:17:57] <mnandres> Troubadix09: can i ask one question?
[05-Nov-2009 06:43:29] <Troubadix09> mnandres: hmm ... yyes ;-)
[05-Nov-2009 06:44:10] <mnandres> jajaja, i have one server dell powervault 2950
[05-Nov-2009 06:44:28] <mnandres> and so is novellt netware 6.5
[05-Nov-2009 06:45:15] <mnandres> on zenpack i have one for dell and one for netware 6.5
[05-Nov-2009 06:46:14] <mnandres> can i put too templates
[05-Nov-2009 06:46:28] <mnandres> or i need to create two device
[05-Nov-2009 07:11:20] <Troubadix09> mnandres: I'm not an Novell-Expert, but i think, that it work on one IP so you create one device and bind the novell- and the dell-template to it
[05-Nov-2009 07:12:16] <Troubadix09> mnandres: but i think it is a PowerEdge 2950 with a Backup-Device powervault?!
[05-Nov-2009 07:39:46] <mnandres> Troubadix09: you have rigth
[05-Nov-2009 08:05:52] <mrayzenoss> yay, Jive finally fixed the multiple-code-blocks-on-old-forum-posts-not-getting-reposted bug
[05-Nov-2009 08:09:51] <Troubadix09> hello mrayzenoss, nice to hear it ;-)
[05-Nov-2009 08:12:33] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: I have now upgarde production-system to 2.5 and it works well, execpt low-priority issues in event-console. Well Done, great job.
[05-Nov-2009 08:12:46] <Troubadix09> upgarde=upgrade
[05-Nov-2009 08:14:53] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: is there a way, to customize the font-size of the events in the event-console
[05-Nov-2009 08:15:13] <mrayzenoss> Troubadix09: I just set the minimum-font-size in my browser
[05-Nov-2009 08:15:33] <mrayzenoss> here are the tickets currently targeted for 2.5.1: http://tr.im/trac_2_5_1
[05-Nov-2009 08:21:31] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: thanks, that works :)
[05-Nov-2009 08:23:38] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: what does "new" on the "Select"-Button in the event-console mean? When i use it, it marks some new and some old events. Some other new events didn't highlighted.
[05-Nov-2009 08:24:28] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: is it the same as "unacknowledged" in version before 2.5?
[05-Nov-2009 08:28:35] <mrayzenoss> hmm… I'm not sure how that's working
[05-Nov-2009 08:29:59] <mrayzenoss> I'm testing it on my install and getting mixed results
[05-Nov-2009 08:32:01] <Troubadix09> mrayzenoss: thanks
[05-Nov-2009 08:59:53] <klinstifen> mray: when i try to search for a device it takes forevvvver for the results to come back
[05-Nov-2009 08:59:57] <klinstifen> and i only have 39 devices
[05-Nov-2009 09:00:12] <klinstifen> do you know of any forum posts or tickets that address this?
[05-Nov-2009 09:01:08] <klinstifen> wait a second...
[05-Nov-2009 09:01:14] <klinstifen> may have just fixed the problem myself
[05-Nov-2009 09:01:18] <klinstifen> with a reindex()
[05-Nov-2009 09:01:28] * klinstifen does more searches
[05-Nov-2009 09:01:31] <rmatte> good morning
[05-Nov-2009 09:01:38] <klinstifen> hiya
[05-Nov-2009 09:01:58] <rmatte> klinstifen: the slow response time probably has to do with the fact that your Zope DB is in reality, 25GB
[05-Nov-2009 09:02:18] <rmatte> quite honestly, I'd almost say just backup, reinstall, and start from scratch non-compressed
[05-Nov-2009 09:02:29] <klinstifen> rmatte: that doesnt make sense to me
[05-Nov-2009 09:02:36] <klinstifen> i read some zope stuff today
[05-Nov-2009 09:02:47] <rmatte> the Zope DB on my 380 device server is less than 800MB
[05-Nov-2009 09:02:47] <klinstifen> and it is recommended to do packing frequently
[05-Nov-2009 09:02:53] <rmatte> so you obviously have some weird issue with yours
[05-Nov-2009 09:03:07] <klinstifen> i did a reindex and it has improved my search times
[05-Nov-2009 09:03:21] <rmatte> they are still probably a bit slow though
[05-Nov-2009 09:04:05] <klinstifen> reinstalling...ugh...i have a lot of customization...i can't even fathom how long it would take to come back from scratch
[05-Nov-2009 09:04:46] <klinstifen> no...search times are MUCH improved
[05-Nov-2009 09:04:52] <klinstifen> i will probably be able to live with this
[05-Nov-2009 09:05:08] <klinstifen> i don't think the packing really compresses stuff
[05-Nov-2009 09:05:15] <klinstifen> it sounds like it gets rid of old references
[05-Nov-2009 09:06:02] <klinstifen> i think it actually deletes outdated information
[05-Nov-2009 09:06:07] <klinstifen> http://www.freelance-developer.com/zope_packing
[05-Nov-2009 09:06:23] <adytum-bot> Title: Mark J. Nenadov - Zope Pointers: Database Packing (at www.freelance-developer.com)
[05-Nov-2009 09:08:27] <Troubadix09> good morning
[05-Nov-2009 09:08:36] <rmatte> good morning
[05-Nov-2009 09:08:52] <rmatte> ah
[05-Nov-2009 09:09:03] <rmatte> I thought it was some form of compression, but that would make sense
[05-Nov-2009 09:09:34] <klinstifen> yeah
[05-Nov-2009 09:09:45] <klinstifen> so i think the pack + the reindex = better
[05-Nov-2009 09:11:17] <mrayzenoss> poll.jspa?poll=1025
[05-Nov-2009 09:11:25] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Active Polls in Zenoss Community (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 09:12:57] <klinstifen> that'd be fun to be published
[05-Nov-2009 09:17:26] <klinstifen> didn't someone say yesterday that they had a ff issue displaying zenoss?
[05-Nov-2009 09:18:24] <rmatte> no, they were using some sort of custom broswer
[05-Nov-2009 09:18:27] <rmatte> browser*
[05-Nov-2009 09:18:43] <klinstifen> oh hmm ok
[05-Nov-2009 09:20:51] <rmatte> I could definitely help out with some of those missing sections
[05-Nov-2009 09:39:14] <NewBee> Trying to add a simple Threshold for disk space. i want an alert/event when the drive has 500MB letf.
[05-Nov-2009 09:39:45] <NewBee> So i when to /devices/server/templates/filesystem and made one
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:06] <rmatte> so you're trying to set a threshold for 500MB exact instead of a percentage?
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:18] <NewBee> yes
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:26] <rmatte> simple enough
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:29] <rmatte> what have you done so far?
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:33] <NewBee> here.totalBlocks - ( 800000000 / here.blockSize)
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:51] <rmatte> that should work
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:55] <NewBee> when to the template and try using that as the max VAL
[05-Nov-2009 09:40:58] <NewBee> :-\
[05-Nov-2009 09:41:05] <NewBee> thought you might say that.
[05-Nov-2009 09:41:25] <rmatte> where are you getting the 800000000 from though?
[05-Nov-2009 09:41:35] <NewBee> i see a line in my graph but i'm not getting an alert.
[05-Nov-2009 09:42:01] <rmatte> is the line where you'd imagine it should be?
[05-Nov-2009 09:42:11] <NewBee> making it bigger then the smallest drive free i haev
[05-Nov-2009 09:42:32] <NewBee> I'm just trying to make it send a event now.
[05-Nov-2009 09:42:44] <rmatte> are you just doing this on a single drive?
[05-Nov-2009 09:42:47] <rmatte> or on multiple devices?
[05-Nov-2009 09:43:16] <NewBee> I'm using it on a template
[05-Nov-2009 09:43:26] <NewBee> Filesystem template
[05-Nov-2009 09:43:29] <rmatte> right, but is it only for 1 drive
[05-Nov-2009 09:43:33] <rmatte> or for multiple?
[05-Nov-2009 09:43:37] <NewBee> one
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:02] <rmatte> ok, if you're only applying it to one then why wouldn't you just work out what percentage 500MB is of the total and change the percentage to that?
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:05] <NewBee> but I'm not sure what your asking
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:32] <rmatte> here.totalBlocks * 0.whatever
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:33] <NewBee> each system has different size drives
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:39] <rmatte> that's what I was asking
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:52] <rmatte> whether or not you were just using the template on one particular drive or on multiple
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:53] <NewBee> was thinking more then one drive per system.
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:53] <rmatte> and you said 1
[05-Nov-2009 09:44:54] <rmatte> :P
[05-Nov-2009 09:45:04] <rmatte> ok
[05-Nov-2009 09:45:25] <rmatte> try adding a 0 to 800000000 and see if it triggers then
[05-Nov-2009 09:46:02] <NewBee> is there a way to kick off the check? or do i need to sit for 5mins?
[05-Nov-2009 09:46:26] <rmatte> as the zenoss user: zenperfsnmp run -v10 --cycle
[05-Nov-2009 09:46:33] <rmatte> the -v10 is optional
[05-Nov-2009 09:46:40] <NewBee> ok
[05-Nov-2009 09:46:51] <rmatte> or just zenperfsnmp run -v10
[05-Nov-2009 09:47:05] <rmatte> the --cycle is to run through the same cycle as a daemon would, but in the foreground
[05-Nov-2009 09:48:11] <rmatte> if you use --cycle you'll have to ctrl-c out of it when you see that it's done
[05-Nov-2009 09:48:27] <NewBee> k
[05-Nov-2009 09:50:10] <NewBee> twisted.spread.jelly.InsecureJelly: Module Products.ZenModel.MinMaxThreshold not allowed
[05-Nov-2009 09:50:16] <NewBee> looks like I'm gettin an error
[05-Nov-2009 09:50:37] <rmatte> looks like
[05-Nov-2009 09:50:52] <rmatte> what version of Zenoss?
[05-Nov-2009 09:51:18] <NewBee> 2.4.2
[05-Nov-2009 09:51:43] <NewBee> (in type Products.ZenModel.MinMaxThreshold.MinMaxThresholdInstance
[05-Nov-2009 09:51:58] <rmatte> hmmm
[05-Nov-2009 09:52:53] <NewBee> humm what if that is bigger then the drive... let me run with the smaller number.
[05-Nov-2009 09:53:54] <rmatte> thread/9283;jsessionid=D73B89053BC67F6B5C0AFD5C8BAED881.node0
[05-Nov-2009 09:54:02] <rmatte> there's a post from a few months ago
[05-Nov-2009 09:54:06] <rmatte> similar issue
[05-Nov-2009 09:54:12] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - ZenCommand:Module... (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 09:54:33] <rmatte> I also found another post referencing your exact error and the person fixed it by reinstalling Zenoss lol (which is not very helpful)
[05-Nov-2009 09:56:07] <rmatte> message/38273
[05-Nov-2009 09:56:13] <rmatte> someone else having a similar issue with 2.4.2
[05-Nov-2009 09:56:14] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - New Predictive Threshold ZenPack (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 09:56:19] <rmatte> why don't you try upgrading to 2.4.5?
[05-Nov-2009 09:57:12] <NewBee> not what i had planefor today :-)
[05-Nov-2009 09:57:20] <rmatte> everyone getting the error seems to be running 2.4.2
[05-Nov-2009 09:57:29] <rmatte> upgrade to 2.4.5 takes like 10 minutes
[05-Nov-2009 09:57:30] <rmatte> :P
[05-Nov-2009 09:58:13] <rmatte> You upgrade to 2.4.5 then apply the patches as detailed here: docs/DOC-4434
[05-Nov-2009 09:58:16] <rmatte> then you're flying
[05-Nov-2009 09:58:20] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Post-2.4.5 Patches (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 09:58:33] <rmatte> and chances are it'll fix whatever problem you're having
[05-Nov-2009 09:59:09] <NewBee> realy. i guess my last upgrade was from 2.2 to 2.3 and it didn't go well. this was a clean 2.4.2 install.
[05-Nov-2009 09:59:18] <NewBee> I'll give it a shot.
[05-Nov-2009 09:59:41] <rmatte> I upgraded from 2.3.3 to 2.4.1 to 2.4.2 to 2.4.5 without issues
[05-Nov-2009 09:59:48] <rmatte> make sure you apply those 3 patches afterwards though
[05-Nov-2009 09:59:56] <rmatte> fixes a couple of bugs and adds a useful feature to zendmd
[05-Nov-2009 10:00:06] <NewBee> ok
[05-Nov-2009 10:00:13] <rmatte> I'm running 2.4.5 on all of my prod systems right now
[05-Nov-2009 10:00:20] <rmatte> waiting for 2.5 to get a bit better before upgrading
[05-Nov-2009 10:01:27] <NewBee> do you have a good page for upgradeing
[05-Nov-2009 10:01:49] <rmatte> well, how did you install?
[05-Nov-2009 10:01:52] <rmatte> stack installer?
[05-Nov-2009 10:01:59] <NewBee> rpm.
[05-Nov-2009 10:02:02] <rmatte> ah
[05-Nov-2009 10:02:06] <NewBee> centos
[05-Nov-2009 10:02:25] <rmatte> community/documentation/official_documentation/installation-guide
[05-Nov-2009 10:02:31] <rmatte> grab v2.4 of the install guide
[05-Nov-2009 10:02:42] <NewBee> ok
[05-Nov-2009 10:02:42] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: Zenoss Installation (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 10:02:45] <rmatte> I'll grab you a link to the 2.4.5 RPM, hold on
[05-Nov-2009 10:04:07] <rmatte> 64bit or 32?
[05-Nov-2009 10:05:54] <rmatte> 32bit: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/zenoss-2.4.5.el5.i386.rpm
[05-Nov-2009 10:06:00] <NewBee> 64
[05-Nov-2009 10:06:01] <rmatte> 64bit: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/zenoss-2.4.5.el5.x86_64.rpm
[05-Nov-2009 10:07:08] <NewBee> thanky you for your help
[05-Nov-2009 10:09:01] <rmatte> no problem
[05-Nov-2009 10:39:53] <rmatte> suddenly got pretty quiet in here lol
[05-Nov-2009 10:41:42] <cgibbons> crickets
[05-Nov-2009 10:42:46] <Troubadix09> waiting for constructive talks to listening to ;-)
[05-Nov-2009 10:45:51] <Troubadix09> worktime is over now, cu all l8er
[05-Nov-2009 10:46:50] <rmatte> later
[05-Nov-2009 10:47:09] <jrock2004> Its cause I logged in lol
[05-Nov-2009 10:47:40] <rmatte> lol
[05-Nov-2009 10:48:42] <jrock2004> So off topic here, my boss things an IT guy can be a part time position
[05-Nov-2009 10:49:00] <rmatte> depends on what he's doing
[05-Nov-2009 10:49:07] <rmatte> if he's fixing printers, then yes
[05-Nov-2009 10:49:09] <rmatte> otherwise, no
[05-Nov-2009 10:49:53] <mrayzenoss> I saw a job listing yesterday for 40 hours a week, work from home sysadmin. I was thinking some sysadmins could probably hold down 2 of those jobs
[05-Nov-2009 10:50:24] <rmatte> easily
[05-Nov-2009 10:50:26] <jrock2004> So he wants me to be an IT guy and a PHP developer
[05-Nov-2009 10:50:55] <rmatte> well, do you feel that you're busy enough with the IT portion of it as is?
[05-Nov-2009 10:51:31] <jrock2004> well according to zenoss I should never go home
[05-Nov-2009 10:51:37] <klinstifen> hahaha
[05-Nov-2009 10:51:53] <jrock2004> My cisco call managers and and voicemail have too many complaints
[05-Nov-2009 10:52:50] <jrock2004> I think php development should never touch an IT guy. Unless there is nothing for you to do
[05-Nov-2009 10:53:23] <rmatte> you should definitely have dedicated developers unless the development directly ties in to whatever product you are administering
[05-Nov-2009 10:53:40] <rmatte> I do development work in relation to Zenoss since I'm "The Zenoss guy"
[05-Nov-2009 10:53:57] <rmatte> and I do other development work here and there, but it's all related to the overall project that we're working on
[05-Nov-2009 10:54:43] <jrock2004> See I do mind coding every now and then to help our one man developer. But he wants me codes 60% of my days and doing IT work 40%
[05-Nov-2009 10:55:55] <rmatte> well, he's the boss so ultimately if he forces you to, you need to do it or find another employer
[05-Nov-2009 10:56:18] <rmatte> they are just trying to cut costs by overworking their current employees
[05-Nov-2009 10:56:28] <rmatte> it's the standard management style in private IT companies
[05-Nov-2009 10:57:48] <jrock2004> gotcha
[05-Nov-2009 10:58:37] <rmatte> I haven't worked for a single IT company where that wasn't the case.
[05-Nov-2009 10:58:53] <rmatte> You should meet with him and express your concerns anyways
[05-Nov-2009 10:58:58] <rmatte> maybe you'll change his mind
[05-Nov-2009 10:59:28] <jrock2004> Will do thanks
[05-Nov-2009 11:01:40] <rmatte> well, time to do some coding
[05-Nov-2009 11:02:01] <rmatte> this ticket daemon keeps getting more and more complex as I go along :P
[05-Nov-2009 11:06:50] <suprsonic> DistributionNotFound: ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource>=1.0
[05-Nov-2009 11:06:54] <suprsonic> when loading zenoss 2.5
[05-Nov-2009 11:06:58] <mdereus> rmatte: scope creep! :P
[05-Nov-2009 11:07:01] <suprsonic> common error?
[05-Nov-2009 11:07:44] <mrayzenoss> suprsonic: docs/DOC-3392
[05-Nov-2009 11:07:52] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - WMI Data Source (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 11:08:25] <mrayzenoss> sounds like you're trying to install a ZenPack that depends on the WMI Data Source… which breaks 2.5
[05-Nov-2009 11:08:49] <suprsonic> mrayzenoss I wasn't aware that I installed such a zenpack
[05-Nov-2009 11:09:43] <mrayzenoss> where did you see that?
[05-Nov-2009 11:09:55] <suprsonic> when loading zenoss from the commandline
[05-Nov-2009 11:09:58] <suprsonic> zenoss start
[05-Nov-2009 11:10:20] <mrayzenoss> new install or an upgrade?
[05-Nov-2009 11:10:34] <suprsonic> new
[05-Nov-2009 11:10:43] <mrayzenoss> but at some point you added some ZenPacks?
[05-Nov-2009 11:10:47] <rmatte> I don't see how he could get that from a brand new install
[05-Nov-2009 11:10:54] <rmatte> unless he actually installed zenpacks
[05-Nov-2009 11:11:00] <suprsonic> I installed two
[05-Nov-2009 11:11:04] <rmatte> which ones?
[05-Nov-2009 11:11:06] <suprsonic> Squid and Powerware
[05-Nov-2009 11:11:35] <mrayzenoss> neither of those use WMI Data Source… wtf?
[05-Nov-2009 11:11:53] <suprsonic> oh hold up
[05-Nov-2009 11:11:58] <suprsonic> WindowsTerminal also
[05-Nov-2009 11:12:10] <suprsonic> fail
[05-Nov-2009 11:12:14] <rmatte> epic
[05-Nov-2009 11:12:16] <rmatte> fail
[05-Nov-2009 11:12:40] <suprsonic> which it didn't let me install anyhow
[05-Nov-2009 11:12:52] <suprsonic> apparently enough installed to fork my install?
[05-Nov-2009 11:13:10] <mrayzenoss> it seems you should be able to zenpack —remove it
[05-Nov-2009 11:13:34] <suprsonic> nothing is in my list other than Squid
[05-Nov-2009 11:14:07] <rmatte> is anyone here good at python arrays?
[05-Nov-2009 11:14:09] <suprsonic> http://pastebin.com/d5156ef4a
[05-Nov-2009 11:14:21] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[05-Nov-2009 11:14:52] <mrayzenoss> yuck, the Squid one is a .zip ZenPack
[05-Nov-2009 11:14:53] <rmatte> suprsonic: check your $ZENHOME/ZenPacks folder
[05-Nov-2009 11:15:03] <rmatte> if there's a ZenPack folder for that ZenPack in there, remove it
[05-Nov-2009 11:15:28] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: .zips works fine in 2.5, the author and version info just isn't shown on the ZenPacks screen
[05-Nov-2009 11:16:10] <mrayzenoss> I just meant yuck, they installed into Products/ instead of ZenPacks/
[05-Nov-2009 11:16:16] <rmatte> oh, yeh
[05-Nov-2009 11:17:28] <mrayzenoss> Egor sent me a 1.5 version of his WMI Data Source that works with 2.4.5 and 2.5, I need to get it built and checked in
[05-Nov-2009 11:17:51] <suprsonic> sweet
[05-Nov-2009 11:17:55] <rmatte> cool
[05-Nov-2009 11:18:06] <suprsonic> ZenPacks.community.WMIPerf_TerminalServer-1.0-py2.4.egg
[05-Nov-2009 11:18:07] <suprsonic> easy-install.pth
[05-Nov-2009 11:18:09] <suprsonic> both?
[05-Nov-2009 11:20:33] <RoundQube> hi all
[05-Nov-2009 11:21:24] <suprsonic> tht did it
[05-Nov-2009 11:21:30] <suprsonic> deleted the ZenPacks.comm*
[05-Nov-2009 11:21:38] <suprsonic> whats easy-install.pth used for?
[05-Nov-2009 11:35:16] <suprsonic> Products old school location for Zenpacks?
[05-Nov-2009 11:37:18] <l2huynh> Hi everyone, is it possible to migrate just the device tree and configuration to the new server?
[05-Nov-2009 11:37:22] <kobalt_> nick kobalt
[05-Nov-2009 11:37:26] <kobalt_> lol
[05-Nov-2009 11:37:34] kobalt_ is now known as kobalt
[05-Nov-2009 11:38:15] <mrayzenoss> suprsonic: yes, the deprecated .zip ZenPacks dumped their content in with the rest of the application
[05-Nov-2009 11:39:06] <mrayzenoss> l2huynh: I think (and you'll want to test this), you could just copy over your Data.fs to the new box and get that
[05-Nov-2009 11:39:31] <l2huynh> thanks matt
[05-Nov-2009 11:39:32] <mrayzenoss> l2huynh: shut everything down
[05-Nov-2009 11:39:38] <mrayzenoss> l2huynh: copy over the Data.fs
[05-Nov-2009 11:39:46] <mrayzenoss> l2huynh: do a 'zenoss start'
[05-Nov-2009 11:40:04] <mrayzenoss> you'll have to have any ZenPacks already in place
[05-Nov-2009 11:40:17] <l2huynh> The reason I want to do that is that I'm having trouble migrating from vm 2.45 to a native 2.5
[05-Nov-2009 11:40:28] <RoundQube> once i have the HP monitor zenpack installed and want to it to monitor fans, cpu temp etc... how do I initiate this process?
[05-Nov-2009 11:41:25] <l2huynh> matt, is the settings in zProperties contained in the Data.fs file?
[05-Nov-2009 11:42:07] <mrayzenoss> yes
[05-Nov-2009 11:43:13] <klinstifen> RoundQube: bind the templates to an HP device
[05-Nov-2009 11:43:16] <l2huynh> oh, ok, I'll give that a try, thanks matt
[05-Nov-2009 11:52:28] <RoundQube> klinstifen how do i do that?
[05-Nov-2009 11:52:53] <klinstifen> have you added an HP device to zenoss?
[05-Nov-2009 11:53:07] <RoundQube> klinstifen yup, all of our servers are some type of HP Proliant
[05-Nov-2009 11:53:38] <klinstifen> there are two ways
[05-Nov-2009 11:53:50] <klinstifen> you can bind the template to each server individually
[05-Nov-2009 11:54:08] <klinstifen> or you can bind it to their parent device
[05-Nov-2009 11:54:10] <RoundQube> each server is diff type of proliant, some are 360's or 360's and G3's/G4's
[05-Nov-2009 11:54:16] <klinstifen> ok
[05-Nov-2009 11:54:20] <klinstifen> well then we'll just do one first
[05-Nov-2009 11:54:26] <klinstifen> go to one of the servers status screen
[05-Nov-2009 11:54:48] <RoundQube> there
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:04] <klinstifen> click the drop down arrow next to Status
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:09] <klinstifen> and choose More - Templates
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:11] <RoundQube> there
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:31] <klinstifen> then click the drop down arrow next to "Performance Templates..."
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:33] <klinstifen> and choose Bind
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:48] <klinstifen> ctrl-click on each of the templates you want
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:52] <RoundQube> sweet
[05-Nov-2009 11:55:58] <klinstifen> leave the ones that are already highlighted
[05-Nov-2009 11:56:03] <rmatte> hmmmm, python dictionaries aren't working the way I expected
[05-Nov-2009 11:56:13] <klinstifen> click ok
[05-Nov-2009 11:56:28] <klinstifen> and wait a few mins and then you should see stuff in the graphs under the Perf tab
[05-Nov-2009 11:56:30] <rmatte> I'm trying events[e.evid] = e.count
[05-Nov-2009 11:56:37] <rmatte> but it says events is not defined
[05-Nov-2009 11:56:48] * rmatte doesn't know what he's missing
[05-Nov-2009 11:57:35] <klinstifen> rmatte: is it evt instead of events?
[05-Nov-2009 11:57:53] <rmatte> no, events is the name of the dictionary
[05-Nov-2009 11:57:59] <klinstifen> oh
[05-Nov-2009 11:58:11] <rmatte> and it's e.evid because I'm using for e in dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventList([], "", "lastTime ASC, firstTime ASC"):
[05-Nov-2009 11:58:40] <klinstifen> oh ok gotcha
[05-Nov-2009 11:59:11] <rmatte> aha got it
[05-Nov-2009 11:59:18] <rmatte> needed to do: events = {} before that
[05-Nov-2009 11:59:50] <rmatte> sweet, dictionaries rule, this is going to make things so much easier
[05-Nov-2009 12:00:05] <rmatte> thought I was going to have to screw around with arrays or something
[05-Nov-2009 12:04:48] <jrock2004> If I had a wish for zenoss it would be that adding threshold would be a easier to do
[05-Nov-2009 12:05:21] <rmatte> thresholds are generally fairly simple
[05-Nov-2009 12:05:37] <rmatte> configure thresholds for Nagios and then complain about Zenoss :)
[05-Nov-2009 12:05:44] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: that's one of the less ambitious wishlist items I've heard :)
[05-Nov-2009 12:05:49] <rmatte> but I agree, it could be improved
[05-Nov-2009 12:06:18] <jrock2004> Well setting the warning and critical levels for things are not that easy
[05-Nov-2009 12:06:19] <rmatte> yeh, I'm still waiting for moar ponies, but apparently it's been bumped down to the bottom of the list for whatever reason
[05-Nov-2009 12:06:22] * rmatte huffs
[05-Nov-2009 12:06:35] <mrayzenoss> it's supposed to get some love with the Stone Crab release I believe
[05-Nov-2009 12:06:37] <jrock2004> with nagios they are not that hard
[05-Nov-2009 12:06:59] <rmatte> how is it difficult? it's a dropdown :P
[05-Nov-2009 12:07:15] <jrock2004> maybe I am using the wrong term here
[05-Nov-2009 12:07:20] <jrock2004> let me explain this
[05-Nov-2009 12:07:22] <rmatte> ok, so I had a meeting with my group and we've figured out a new way to do the ticket create daemon...
[05-Nov-2009 12:08:14] <rmatte> I'm going to acknowledge the events instead of moving them to history, and I'm also going to store them in a dictionary and have the script watch for incrementing event counts. When a ticket is closed the ticketing system will automatically send an xml-rpc call to Zenoss to move the event to history.
[05-Nov-2009 12:08:31] <rmatte> should work nicely
[05-Nov-2009 12:10:28] <jrock2004> ok so I go into /Devices/Templates/OSProcess and there is Thresholds. In there if I wanted to add a threshold that told me when my memory was down to 5% available, there is no easy way to add this
[05-Nov-2009 12:11:01] <jrock2004> I get the add threshold. I call it memory or something like that
[05-Nov-2009 12:11:37] <rmatte> ummmm, why on earth would you apply a memory threshold to an individual process?
[05-Nov-2009 12:11:42] <jrock2004> I think it just might be me. I am hoping that the training tomorrow will clear these things up
[05-Nov-2009 12:11:43] <rmatte> that doesn't even make sense
[05-Nov-2009 12:12:06] <rmatte> just in case that particular process eats up 95% of the total memory on the entire system?
[05-Nov-2009 12:12:07] <jrock2004> I would want to see when the box is out of memory
[05-Nov-2009 12:12:16] <rmatte> then you're in to totally wrong spot
[05-Nov-2009 12:12:16] <rmatte> lol
[05-Nov-2009 12:12:27] <rmatte> OSProcess template is for processes being monitored via SNMP
[05-Nov-2009 12:12:37] <rmatte> and it monitors the cpu and memory utilization for each process
[05-Nov-2009 12:12:55] <rmatte> first off, what kind of box?
[05-Nov-2009 12:13:33] <jrock2004> I have many types
[05-Nov-2009 12:13:43] <rmatte> OS I mean
[05-Nov-2009 12:13:46] <jrock2004> I was using memory as a an example
[05-Nov-2009 12:13:49] <jrock2004> Linux
[05-Nov-2009 12:13:55] <jrock2004> ubuntu
[05-Nov-2009 12:13:57] <jrock2004> mostly
[05-Nov-2009 12:14:59] <jrock2004> See I have 2 LTSP servers that I really need to monitor the amount of processes running
[05-Nov-2009 12:15:08] <rmatte> so you'd go to /Devices/Server/Linux/Templates/Device
[05-Nov-2009 12:15:34] <rmatte> then you'd add a threshold against memAvailReal
[05-Nov-2009 12:16:18] <rmatte> and you'd do here.totalMemory * 0.05
[05-Nov-2009 12:16:39] <rmatte> actually sorry
[05-Nov-2009 12:16:44] <rmatte> * 0.95
[05-Nov-2009 12:16:49] <rmatte> since you want 95% threshold
[05-Nov-2009 12:17:20] <rmatte> that way if memAvailReal hits 95% of the total physical memory on the box it'll kick off the threshold
[05-Nov-2009 12:19:23] <RoundQube> I'm getting the following error after enabling the HP monitor: User-supplied Python expression (here.threshold) for maximum value caused error: ['TemperatureCelsius_temperature_celsius']. I went to the template and see the here.threshold but not sure what to change it to.
[05-Nov-2009 12:19:58] <rmatte> hmmm, here.totalMemory might not be the value for that collector, which is weird, going to double-check
[05-Nov-2009 12:21:08] <jrock2004> rmatte: I would think it would be nicer but not needed if you click the datapoint you want. Then for the min value just have .95 I think the confusing part of the whole thing is what to put in the min and max value boxes
[05-Nov-2009 12:21:44] <rmatte> jrock2004: it is built for flexibility
[05-Nov-2009 12:21:56] <rmatte> jrock2004: what if you didn't have a here.totalMemory value to apply it against?
[05-Nov-2009 12:22:03] <jrock2004> rmatte: I understand. I realize I am still new to this
[05-Nov-2009 12:22:06] <rmatte> how is Zenoss supposed to know the difference between that threshold and any other?
[05-Nov-2009 12:22:44] <rmatte> Zenoss doesn't know the difference between a memory threshold and a CPU threshold, they are exactly the same but just work with different values
[05-Nov-2009 12:23:37] <jrock2004> so if the data point memAvailReal_memAvailReal is not mapped to the memory of the box?
[05-Nov-2009 12:23:49] <rmatte> and sorry, I had it wrong
[05-Nov-2009 12:23:51] <rmatte> it's...
[05-Nov-2009 12:23:56] <rmatte> here.hw.totalMemory * 0.95
[05-Nov-2009 12:23:59] <rmatte> that's what you want
[05-Nov-2009 12:24:09] <rmatte> applied against memAvailReal
[05-Nov-2009 12:24:35] <rmatte> jrock2004: you're implying that Zenoss is supposed to somehow intelligently know what an OID represents?
[05-Nov-2009 12:24:38] <rmatte> that's impossible
[05-Nov-2009 12:25:00] <rmatte> I don't know how much you know about SNMP, but that is unrealistic, if it's not correctly mapped to the memory of the box then it's user error
[05-Nov-2009 12:25:23] <jrock2004> I am just asking for better knowledge. /me not expert in SNMP
[05-Nov-2009 12:25:50] <rmatte> ok, an SNMP tree is basically a bunch of OID value which are numbers like 278.23.232.231.578.0.3.123
[05-Nov-2009 12:25:53] <rmatte> or whatever
[05-Nov-2009 12:25:57] <rmatte> each number represents a value
[05-Nov-2009 12:26:01] <jrock2004> ok so where did you get hw.totalMemory from? A doc or is that knowledge I would know if I am a snmp genious?
[05-Nov-2009 12:26:13] <jrock2004> like in LDAP oid?
[05-Nov-2009 12:26:16] <rmatte> there are Mibs which translate those numbers to be human readable to some degree so that you can figure out what value you need
[05-Nov-2009 12:26:26] <rmatte> once you know the OID you input it in to Zenoss as a datasource
[05-Nov-2009 12:26:33] <rmatte> then you create thresholds and graphs against it
[05-Nov-2009 12:26:50] <rmatte> the here.hw.totalMemory is collected by a collector plugin
[05-Nov-2009 12:27:11] <jrock2004> is there a list in a doc with those?
[05-Nov-2009 12:27:34] <rmatte> go to a device page and select More -> Collector Plugins to see a list of them
[05-Nov-2009 12:27:59] <rmatte> the Zenoss Developer's guide covers Collector Plugins in detail (including how to write one)
[05-Nov-2009 12:28:06] <rmatte> the Zenoss Admin guide makes mention of the here. values
[05-Nov-2009 12:28:30] <rmatte> There's no 100% accurate list of all collector plugins since many are written by community members and included in ZenPacks
[05-Nov-2009 12:28:50] <rmatte> the stock collector plugins are documented well enough in the admin guide and dev guide
[05-Nov-2009 12:29:03] <jrock2004> rmatte: ok I will look into those
[05-Nov-2009 12:29:46] <rmatte> It'll probably take you about 6 months of work with Zenoss before you get comfortable with it
[05-Nov-2009 12:29:52] <jrock2004> it is probably a good idea to read up on snmp works. That should help me also
[05-Nov-2009 12:30:17] <rmatte> yeh, are you familliar with the "snmpwalk" command?
[05-Nov-2009 12:30:36] <rmatte> just using that command can give you some insight in to how the data is presented by snmp agents
[05-Nov-2009 12:31:39] <jrock2004> I have heard of that command but have not really used it
[05-Nov-2009 12:31:56] <rmatte> get to know it because you'll be using it a lot
[05-Nov-2009 12:32:24] <jrock2004> well hopefully tomorrow zenoss training will go over that
[05-Nov-2009 12:32:31] <jrock2004> if not I will look it up
[05-Nov-2009 12:34:22] <rmatte> http://www.dpstele.com/layers/l2/snmp_l2_tut_part1.php
[05-Nov-2009 12:34:41] <adytum-bot> Title: SNMP Tutorial Part 1: An Introduction to SNMP (at www.dpstele.com)
[05-Nov-2009 12:35:07] <mrayzenoss> yeah, the training tomorrow should help, but I think it's worthwhile understanding SNMP
[05-Nov-2009 12:35:35] <rmatte> If you want a good read regarding SNMP pick up "Essential SNMP"
[05-Nov-2009 12:35:39] <jrock2004> snmpwalk -Os -c public -v 1 ipaddress and it gave me tons of data. wow
[05-Nov-2009 12:35:50] <rmatte> yup
[05-Nov-2009 12:36:10] <rmatte> you can walk specific parts of the tree too
[05-Nov-2009 12:36:15] <jrock2004> checking safari books for that title
[05-Nov-2009 12:36:17] <rmatte> like if you just want system datapoints you'd do...
[05-Nov-2009 12:36:27] <rmatte> snmpwalk -v1 -c public ipaddress system
[05-Nov-2009 12:36:43] <mrayzenoss> yeah, it's an O'Reilly book
[05-Nov-2009 12:37:06] <rmatte> If you wanted CPU processor load you'd do...
[05-Nov-2009 12:37:07] <mrayzenoss> looks like it really keeps its resale value: http://www.amazon.com/Essential-SNMP-Second-Douglas-Mauro/dp/0596008406/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257446166&sr=8-1
[05-Nov-2009 12:37:13] <rmatte> snmpwalk -v1 -c public ipaddress hrProcessorLoad
[05-Nov-2009 12:39:25] <jrock2004> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrProcessorLoad.1 = INTEGER: 4
[05-Nov-2009 12:41:46] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: I use to buy a lot of books but eventually they become dust holders. Safari books online is an awesome subscription to computer books
[05-Nov-2009 12:42:05] <mrayzenoss> yeah, I like a PDF and a hardcopy
[05-Nov-2009 12:42:13] <mrayzenoss> PDF for search, hard copy for holding
[05-Nov-2009 12:42:32] <rmatte> jrock2004: yeh, so CPU1 is at 4% utilization, is what that snmp output is telling you
[05-Nov-2009 12:42:32] <jrock2004> I like the tree killers on reference books of stuff that hardly changes
[05-Nov-2009 12:42:41] <mrayzenoss> I keep looking at Kindles and the like, but I don't see what I want yet. The Barnes & Noble reader looks promising
[05-Nov-2009 12:43:11] <jrock2004> I would rather get an ipod touch or iphone than the kindle
[05-Nov-2009 12:43:18] <jrock2004> kindles have no backlight
[05-Nov-2009 12:44:36] <rmatte> that's the idea though, supposed to be easier on the eyes when reading
[05-Nov-2009 12:44:41] <rmatte> it's supposed to be like reading off paper
[05-Nov-2009 12:45:06] * jrock2004 nods
[05-Nov-2009 13:03:39] <cgibbons> i use the kindle app on the iphone & the actual kindle... would much, much rather read on the kindle itself
[05-Nov-2009 13:06:54] <rmatte> yeh, I've seen sony's device similar to the kindle and it's really nice to read on
[05-Nov-2009 13:07:43] <rmatte> haha, the python channel is hillarious
[05-Nov-2009 13:07:44] <rmatte> [02:04pm] <flipflop_> wooooOOoo
[05-Nov-2009 13:07:45] <rmatte> [02:04pm] <eggy_> Could you stop saying that
[05-Nov-2009 13:08:04] <rmatte> that's like the seventh time that guy said "wooooOOoo" since I'd been in there
[05-Nov-2009 13:09:21] <jrock2004> see to me te kindle is to big to be portable
[05-Nov-2009 13:10:00] <rmatte> it's portable enough
[05-Nov-2009 13:10:08] <rmatte> plus, reading on a tiny little screen is a pain
[05-Nov-2009 13:10:22] <rmatte> I've tried reading books on my iphone and I can't really do it for more than 15 mins
[05-Nov-2009 13:10:47] <klinstifen> jrock: i have used the kindle2
[05-Nov-2009 13:10:50] <klinstifen> it's super nice
[05-Nov-2009 13:10:52] <klinstifen> and small
[05-Nov-2009 13:10:59] <klinstifen> and VERY light
[05-Nov-2009 13:11:05] <klinstifen> jsut doesn't fold : )
[05-Nov-2009 13:11:29] <klinstifen> i never worry about squishing a book, but can't do that with tech
[05-Nov-2009 13:13:36] <jrock2004> ah
[05-Nov-2009 13:16:22] <RoundQube> each time i add a new template for montoring (via new zenpack or already core zenpack), do i need to remodel the device?
[05-Nov-2009 13:16:36] <jrock2004> does zenoss have the ability to monitor network bandwidth and tell you what machine is using it up?
[05-Nov-2009 13:20:54] <rmatte> sweet, got this dictionary code working perfectly...
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:02] <rmatte> event count increased for aa880d27-ce61-4484-8255-6b9e28f9e11e, event count is now 314
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:02] <rmatte> event count increased for a32863a0-06d1-4b0e-9d6c-41a22fd45bf4, event count is now 314
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:02] <rmatte> event count increased for 04b331aa-bf53-42fe-979f-b4332a737252, event count is now 314
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:02] <rmatte> event count increased for 180c2841-74ec-40bf-96dd-058c57a3004f, event count is now 7
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:02] <rmatte> event count increased for 69b78c82-93e8-42cb-ab2d-adf1195db6e8, event count is now 275
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:03] <rmatte> event count increased for e953d3fa-9d09-4f0f-9462-78e0cea5f925, event count is now 15200
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:05] <rmatte> event count increased for e953d3fa-9d09-4f0f-9462-78e0cea5f925, event count is now 15201
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:07] <rmatte> event count increased for 986afb66-12c9-4fda-a311-5326bb60ead7, event count is now 314
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:09] <rmatte> made a test script that does that
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:29] <rmatte> watches the queue and alerts for increases in event counts
[05-Nov-2009 13:21:54] <rmatte> now I just need to integrate it with my script
[05-Nov-2009 13:34:21] <NewBee> rmatte: I've upgraded to 2.4.5. not getting error when i use zenpersnmp -v10 . but I'm also not getting the event/alert
[05-Nov-2009 13:35:53] <NewBee> I'm using usedBlocks_usedBlocks not BlocksUsed_BlocksUsed is that right?
[05-Nov-2009 13:37:50] <klinstifen> jrock2004: i would recommend ntop for that
[05-Nov-2009 13:38:32] <jrock2004> klinstifen: so ntop do the whole network or just one workstation?
[05-Nov-2009 13:39:48] <klinstifen> depends
[05-Nov-2009 13:40:00] <klinstifen> i have port monitoring set up on my switch
[05-Nov-2009 13:40:16] <klinstifen> and i monitor the port that connects to the lan port on my router
[05-Nov-2009 13:40:26] <klinstifen> so i see all traffic leaving/entering the company
[05-Nov-2009 13:40:44] <klinstifen> sry...i have port mirroring setup on that port
[05-Nov-2009 13:40:52] <klinstifen> and then the monitor port is hooked up to my ntop box
[05-Nov-2009 13:41:11] <klinstifen> ntop then breaks down all that traffic and shows which ip is using what bandwidth
[05-Nov-2009 13:41:23] <RoundQube> anyone have expereicen with insight managers for HP Proliant servers running Linux? I loaded the zenpacks to monitor my HP servers but nothing shows up because apparently I need an SNMP agent running on the server
[05-Nov-2009 13:41:59] <klinstifen> RoundQube: that agent can be enabled through Add/Remove Programs
[05-Nov-2009 13:42:03] <klinstifen> its a Windows component
[05-Nov-2009 13:42:18] <RoundQube> im running Linux
[05-Nov-2009 13:42:27] <klinstifen> ah...hehe
[05-Nov-2009 13:42:47] <klinstifen> err well you can still install the snmp agent...if you haven't already
[05-Nov-2009 13:43:43] <RoundQube> i installed net-smmp but my graphs are not populating after half-hour
[05-Nov-2009 13:43:59] <RoundQube> i installed the zenpacks (hp monitor, def hp mon enabled and also adv devices zenpack)
[05-Nov-2009 13:44:08] <RoundQube> did the bind but graphs are empty
[05-Nov-2009 13:44:23] <RoundQube> and some are not even showing empty graphs, rather just the small template with < > arrows
[05-Nov-2009 13:44:26] <rmatte> NewBee: hmmm
[05-Nov-2009 13:44:42] <rmatte> NewBee: what's the threshold max value set at?
[05-Nov-2009 13:44:54] <rmatte> and it should be usedBlocks, yeh
[05-Nov-2009 13:45:00] <NewBee> here.totalBlocks - (600000000 / here.blockSize)
[05-Nov-2009 13:45:33] <rmatte> so you're dividing the blocks by the block size and then subtracting it from totalblocks
[05-Nov-2009 13:46:01] <klinstifen> RoundQube: can you snmpget the OID's that are referenced in the Template?
[05-Nov-2009 13:46:04] <rmatte> do you see the threshold line on your graph?
[05-Nov-2009 13:46:07] <klinstifen> from the zenoss box?
[05-Nov-2009 13:46:09] <rmatte> is it low enough to kick off/
[05-Nov-2009 13:46:26] <RoundQube> klinstifen not sure what command that is but i can google for it
[05-Nov-2009 13:46:44] <rmatte> NewBee: if it's set right the threshold line should show up below the current usage line
[05-Nov-2009 13:46:57] <klinstifen> RoundQube: from your device's status screen
[05-Nov-2009 13:47:07] <klinstifen> click the drop down next too status and choose
[05-Nov-2009 13:47:17] <klinstifen> Run Commands -> snmpwalk
[05-Nov-2009 13:47:21] <klinstifen> does it return anything?
[05-Nov-2009 13:47:33] <RoundQube> klinstifen lots
[05-Nov-2009 13:47:53] <RoundQube> http://pastebin.com/m3caa269c
[05-Nov-2009 13:48:04] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[05-Nov-2009 13:51:06] <NewBee> yes i see the line on my grapph
[05-Nov-2009 13:51:23] <NewBee> and i made a new one jsut to see if the new ver changed something
[05-Nov-2009 13:51:48] <NewBee> and yes it's below the graph data
[05-Nov-2009 13:55:24] <klinstifen> RoundQube: you could try running this from your zenoss box cl
[05-Nov-2009 13:55:37] <klinstifen> zencommand run -v10 -d hpdevice.name
[05-Nov-2009 13:55:48] <klinstifen> where hpdevice.name is the name of your hp box as shown in zenoss
[05-Nov-2009 13:55:59] <klinstifen> that might show some errors...
[05-Nov-2009 13:58:03] <RoundQube> no errors
[05-Nov-2009 14:00:36] <klinstifen> i think one of my servers is hp prolian
[05-Nov-2009 14:00:39] <klinstifen> *proliant
[05-Nov-2009 14:00:50] <klinstifen> i will dl zenpack and try it out in a few
[05-Nov-2009 14:00:55] <RoundQube> thanks man
[05-Nov-2009 14:01:05] <rmatte> weird
[05-Nov-2009 14:01:06] <RoundQube> im trying it on my windows proliant servers as well
[05-Nov-2009 14:01:18] <RoundQube> since they have the hp system insight agent installed
[05-Nov-2009 14:01:24] <rmatte> I tried to use dmd.ZenEventManager.manager_ackEvents and got TypeError: ('Could not adapt', <MySqlEventManager at /zport/dmd/ZenEventManager>, <InterfaceClass Products.ZenWidgets.interfaces.IMessageSender>)
[05-Nov-2009 14:01:28] <RoundQube> not sure if these are critical to the use of these zenpacks
[05-Nov-2009 14:01:34] <rmatte> manage_ rather
[05-Nov-2009 14:02:43] <NewBee> So just my max to 3,600,000 the nubmer of used blocks is 3.8M. the line shows up under the graph. but nothing in the events
[05-Nov-2009 14:02:46] <rmatte> weird, it actually acknowledged it too
[05-Nov-2009 14:02:52] <rmatte> what the heck is it complaining about then
[05-Nov-2009 14:03:22] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/m71b23d77
[05-Nov-2009 14:03:32] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[05-Nov-2009 14:03:37] <rmatte> NewBee: the threshold is actually enabled right
[05-Nov-2009 14:03:38] <rmatte> ?
[05-Nov-2009 14:06:19] <rmatte> so my script is doing what it should be doing but failing for some reason because of a zenoss function not working correctly
[05-Nov-2009 14:06:20] <rmatte> hmmm
[05-Nov-2009 14:07:54] <rmatte> in zendmd I get this: http://pastebin.com/m4a5d3da7
[05-Nov-2009 14:07:58] <rmatte> when I try to acknowledge an event
[05-Nov-2009 14:08:03] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[05-Nov-2009 14:08:14] <NewBee> enable is set to true
[05-Nov-2009 14:09:31] <NewBee> can you only have one Thresholds?
[05-Nov-2009 14:09:59] <NewBee> one enabled?
[05-Nov-2009 14:11:23] <rmatte> hey Matt?
[05-Nov-2009 14:12:41] <rmatte> Matt?
[05-Nov-2009 14:12:52] <mrayzenoss1> yes
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:08] <rmatte> I'm really stumped on this one... wondering if you've seen this before...
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:10] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/m71b23d77
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:20] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:29] <rmatte> I do dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_ackEvents(evid)
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:36] <rmatte> where evid is an actual event ID
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:40] <rmatte> and it spits out that error
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:54] <rmatte> Then I try it from zendmd and get this: http://pastebin.com/m4a5d3da7
[05-Nov-2009 14:13:58] <rmatte> seems like a possible bug?
[05-Nov-2009 14:14:03] <rmatte> or am I missing something here?
[05-Nov-2009 14:14:04] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[05-Nov-2009 14:14:33] <rmatte> and it did actually acknowledge the event when I ran the script, that's the other thing
[05-Nov-2009 14:14:43] <rmatte> it acknowledged it fine, but it crashed my script because of that error
[05-Nov-2009 14:16:24] <NewBee> so it is now working with just the number of blocks. BUT the problem is that i will not stay enabled when i place the formula. i guess there is an error in it.
[05-Nov-2009 14:18:11] <rmatte> sounds like
[05-Nov-2009 14:19:24] <mrayzenoss1> rmatte: I don't have any insight, I'd probably look at the code where it's complaining and see if I can discern what it was expecting
[05-Nov-2009 14:19:34] <NewBee> do you see a problem with this? here.totalBlocks - (400000000 / here.blockSize)
[05-Nov-2009 14:20:04] <mrayzenoss1> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/branches/zenoss-2.4.x/Products/ZenEvents/EventManagerBase.py
[05-Nov-2009 14:24:15] <rmatte> I've looked through a bit, can't make sense of what it's complaining about, I found a forum post of someone stating that they got the same problem right after upgrading to 2.4.x but that it worked fine in 2.3
[05-Nov-2009 14:28:53] <rmatte> this totally blows since this is really all I need to finish this script
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:00] <rmatte> except TypeError:
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:00] <rmatte> # We got a TypeError. It might be an error raised by
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:00] <rmatte> # the __conform__ implementation, or *we* may have
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:00] <rmatte> # made the TypeError by calling an unbound method
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:00] <rmatte> # (object is a class). In the later case, we behave
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:00] <rmatte> # as though there is no __conform__ method. We can
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:02] <rmatte> # detect this case by checking whether there is more
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:04] <rmatte> # than one traceback object in the traceback chain
[05-Nov-2009 14:30:12] <rmatte> that comment seems to relate to what's happening
[05-Nov-2009 14:31:09] <rmatte> raise TypeError("Could not adapt", obj, self)
[05-Nov-2009 14:31:16] <rmatte> that's the line which generates the error I'm seeing
[05-Nov-2009 14:31:30] <rmatte> in /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/lib/python/zope/interface/interface.py
[05-Nov-2009 14:36:14] <cgibbons> extinction will shortly follow
[05-Nov-2009 14:40:21] <chemist> any idea why the zenoss server time on the GUI keeps 'loosing time' ?
[05-Nov-2009 14:43:09] <rmatte> There, made a post about it
[05-Nov-2009 14:43:12] <rmatte> message/41650#41650
[05-Nov-2009 14:43:17] <rmatte> hopefully someone will know
[05-Nov-2009 14:43:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Unable to use... (at community.zenoss.org)
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[05-Nov-2009 14:47:30] <NewBee> where would i find errors from trying to create a threshold?
[05-Nov-2009 14:47:46] <NewBee> i know /opt/zenoss/log/ but what file.
[05-Nov-2009 14:59:30] <rmatte> they'd be in zenperfsnmp.log
[05-Nov-2009 15:00:43] <rmatte> hola egor
[05-Nov-2009 15:00:48] <bigegor> hey
[05-Nov-2009 15:00:55] <NewBee> this seems to be a GUI problem.
[05-Nov-2009 15:01:10] <NewBee> it turns off the thresholds
[05-Nov-2009 15:01:12] <rmatte> I hear you made a WMI Data Source pack that works in both 2.4 and 2.5, nice work
[05-Nov-2009 15:01:13] <mrayzenoss1> bigegor: after this meeting I'm sitting in, I'll get your stuff posted into SVN
[05-Nov-2009 15:02:00] <bigegor> yes. thanks.
[05-Nov-2009 15:07:34] <NewBee> none of my thresholds will stay enabled. event the "high disk usage" that came with zenoss
[05-Nov-2009 15:09:31] <NewBee> i set it to enable and refresh the template page and after about 3 refresh i shows the threshold enable = false.
[05-Nov-2009 15:11:25] <jrock2004> Well guys off to head home. See you guys later
[05-Nov-2009 15:11:53] <rmatte> NewBee: weird, never seen that sort of behaviour before
[05-Nov-2009 15:12:28] <NewBee> :-(
[05-Nov-2009 15:12:43] <NewBee> I've got a tail on zenpersnmp but nothing.
[05-Nov-2009 15:13:10] <NewBee> this is the default threshold right? here.getTotalBlocks() * .96
[05-Nov-2009 15:13:31] <NewBee> it i set them to a number they stay enabled
[05-Nov-2009 15:14:45] <NewBee> do i need something like $(here.totalblocks)
[05-Nov-2009 15:15:02] <NewBee> or (here.getTotalBlocks() * .96)
[05-Nov-2009 15:18:24] <NewBee> ok so my threshold is called error2. the event shows that it came from usedBlocks_usedBlocks|error2
[05-Nov-2009 15:19:04] <NewBee> but the message is from has "disk space threshold: 86.1% used (2.08 GB free)"
[05-Nov-2009 15:19:17] <NewBee> isn't that from the default
[05-Nov-2009 15:19:22] <NewBee> threshold
[05-Nov-2009 15:23:06] <NewBee> can someone tell me what they have as there default threshold formula?
[05-Nov-2009 15:23:57] <rmatte> I'll grab you the default...
[05-Nov-2009 15:24:25] <rmatte> here.getTotalBlocks() * .9
[05-Nov-2009 15:24:29] <rmatte> that's the default
[05-Nov-2009 15:24:48] <NewBee> no ( around it
[05-Nov-2009 15:25:03] <rmatte> nope
[05-Nov-2009 15:25:25] <NewBee> and what is the data point
[05-Nov-2009 15:25:52] <NewBee> usedBlocks_usedBlocks or BlocksUesd_BlocksUsed
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[05-Nov-2009 15:39:50] <NewBee> so this is ok (10 * 100) + 25 but this is not here.totalBlocks
[05-Nov-2009 15:40:41] <NewBee> here.getTotalBlocks() also doesn't work
[05-Nov-2009 15:43:20] <NewBee> humm but this does work here.getTotalBlocks i just removed the () and the threshold is still set to true.
[05-Nov-2009 15:44:35] <NewBee> but if i add that to a graph. i get an error and can't see the os/c__drive
[05-Nov-2009 15:45:56] <NewBee> i take that back . the non-() option just got set to disable
[05-Nov-2009 15:49:48] <rmatte> sounds like you have something more serious wrong than just the way you'te formatting that threshold
[05-Nov-2009 15:49:56] <rmatte> have you tried restarting Zenoss?
[05-Nov-2009 15:52:11] <NewBee> no
[05-Nov-2009 15:52:33] <NewBee> i just did the upgrade. I'm not sure if this was happing befor.
[05-Nov-2009 15:52:36] <NewBee> I'll restart now
[05-Nov-2009 15:54:04] <rmatte> it's possible that it's a bug
[05-Nov-2009 15:56:36] <NewBee> nice
[05-Nov-2009 15:56:49] <NewBee> now i can't event get to the device page.
[05-Nov-2009 15:57:06] <rmatte> then you obviously have something seriously wrong with Zenoss
[05-Nov-2009 15:57:17] <rmatte> do "zenoss status"
[05-Nov-2009 15:57:23] <rmatte> make sure all the daemons are running
[05-Nov-2009 15:57:26] <rmatte> check the log files
[05-Nov-2009 15:57:30] <rmatte> especially zenhub.log
[05-Nov-2009 15:58:01] <NewBee> all running
[05-Nov-2009 15:59:54] <NewBee> i see a error in the event.log
[05-Nov-2009 16:01:45] <rmatte> hmmm, I wonder why dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_setEventStates(1, 'a28303fd-8f3a-40fe-b763-eceac4c0803b') doesn't work
[05-Nov-2009 16:03:15] <NewBee> and now it just starts working. but i still have the same problem.
[05-Nov-2009 16:03:46] <rmatte> if it's that screwed up and the log files aren't giving any insight as to what the issue may be then I'd recommend a reinstall
[05-Nov-2009 16:05:32] <NewBee> 2009-11-05T17:05:28 INFO ZODB.Conflict database conflict error (oid 0x2c, class Products.ZenUtils.PObjectCache.PObjectCache) at /zport/RenderServer/render (1 conflicts, of which 0 were unresolved, since startup at Thu Nov 5 17:02:03 2009)
[05-Nov-2009 16:05:57] <rmatte> db conflicts are not good
[05-Nov-2009 16:06:09] <rmatte> oh not wait
[05-Nov-2009 16:06:12] <rmatte> no*
[05-Nov-2009 16:06:16] <rmatte> that message is fine
[05-Nov-2009 16:06:24] <rmatte> "of which 0 were unresolved"
[05-Nov-2009 16:06:32] <rmatte> that means it resolved the conflict, so that's not it
[05-Nov-2009 16:06:40] <NewBee> hummm
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:39] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:08:31 ERROR zen.MinMaxCheck: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks()) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:39] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:08:31 WARNING zen.RRDView: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks()) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:39] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:08:31 INFO zen.RRDView: Disabled threshold Error
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:39] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:10:47 ERROR zen.MinMaxCheck: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks()) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:40] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:10:47 WARNING zen.RRDView: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks()) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:43] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:10:47 INFO zen.RRDView: Disabled threshold Error
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:45] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:12:28 ERROR zen.MinMaxCheck: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks()) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:48] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:12:28 WARNING zen.RRDView: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks()) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:12:51] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:12:28 INFO zen.RRDView: Disabled threshold MyASS
[05-Nov-2009 16:13:03] <NewBee> that is the event hame MyASS
[05-Nov-2009 16:13:27] <rmatte> It thinks that your expression is just "(here.getTotalBlocks())"
[05-Nov-2009 16:13:40] <NewBee> that is it
[05-Nov-2009 16:13:57] <NewBee> I'm only trying to use it with out any math.
[05-Nov-2009 16:13:59] <rmatte> it should be here.getTotalBlocks() * .95 or whatever
[05-Nov-2009 16:14:43] <rmatte> you're using this on the actual FileSystem template?
[05-Nov-2009 16:15:16] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:16:41 ERROR zen.MinMaxCheck: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks() *.95) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:15:16] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:16:41 WARNING zen.RRDView: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks() *.95) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
[05-Nov-2009 16:15:16] <NewBee> 2009-11-05 17:16:41 INFO zen.RRDView: Disabled threshold MyASS
[05-Nov-2009 16:15:16] <NewBee>
[05-Nov-2009 16:15:32] <rmatte> give me screenshots of your template screen and your threshold screen
[05-Nov-2009 16:15:36] <NewBee> yes the one that came with zenoss i think.
[05-Nov-2009 16:16:00] <NewBee> ok. how would you like to get that?
[05-Nov-2009 16:16:12] <NewBee> is there a ez screen clip site.
[05-Nov-2009 16:16:15] <rmatte> tinypic.com
[05-Nov-2009 16:16:33] <rmatte> just take the screenshots and uploads them there
[05-Nov-2009 16:18:30] <NewBee> http://i36.tinypic.com/2ljoy0p.png
[05-Nov-2009 16:20:17] <rmatte> delete that BlocksUsed datasource
[05-Nov-2009 16:20:22] <rmatte> no idea why you even have that
[05-Nov-2009 16:20:39] <NewBee> Gone
[05-Nov-2009 16:20:58] <rmatte> now I need a screenshot of the actual threshold
[05-Nov-2009 16:21:21] <rmatte> you might want to name your thresholds something more descriptive
[05-Nov-2009 16:21:27] <rmatte> like "high disk usage"
[05-Nov-2009 16:21:55] <NewBee> I needed something that i could grep on.
[05-Nov-2009 16:22:06] <rmatte> ah
[05-Nov-2009 16:22:23] <NewBee> http://i37.tinypic.com/4qn7te.png
[05-Nov-2009 16:22:52] <rmatte> put a space between * and .95
[05-Nov-2009 16:23:07] <rmatte> make the event class /Perf/Filesystem
[05-Nov-2009 16:23:17] <NewBee> Ok
[05-Nov-2009 16:23:45] <NewBee> when i goback to the template it show that it is disabled.
[05-Nov-2009 16:23:52] <NewBee> unless i use just number.
[05-Nov-2009 16:24:00] <rmatte> go to the device page for one of the devices that the template is applied to
[05-Nov-2009 16:24:10] <rmatte> then go to More -> Collector plugins
[05-Nov-2009 16:24:28] <rmatte> make sure that zenoss.snmp.HRFileSystemMap is one of the plugins
[05-Nov-2009 16:24:44] <rmatte> If it's not, then that threshold will not work
[05-Nov-2009 16:26:39] <NewBee> looks good http://i33.tinypic.com/svnxjm.png
[05-Nov-2009 16:29:23] <rmatte> well, I'm out of ideas
[05-Nov-2009 16:29:30] <rmatte> it should work
[05-Nov-2009 16:29:45] <rmatte> I'd say reinstall Zenoss and see if you still have the issue
[05-Nov-2009 16:29:49] <rmatte> if you do, then file a bug report
[05-Nov-2009 16:29:58] <NewBee> I see someone else has had this problem. but no one replayed to it.
[05-Nov-2009 16:30:10] <NewBee> thank you for all your help
[05-Nov-2009 16:30:16] <rmatte> no problem
[05-Nov-2009 16:46:03] <mrayzenoss> OK, I've posted Egor's 1.5 version of the WMI Data Source
[05-Nov-2009 16:46:12] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3392
[05-Nov-2009 16:46:19] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - WMI Data Source (at community.zenoss.org)
[05-Nov-2009 16:46:25] <mrayzenoss> it's supposed to work with Zenoss 2.4.5 and Zenoss 2.5
[05-Nov-2009 16:58:10] <rmatte> I'll test it tomorrow
[05-Nov-2009 16:58:20] <rmatte> although I'd imagine he's done some testing already
[05-Nov-2009 16:58:37] <mrayzenoss> he told me he did
[05-Nov-2009 16:58:45] <mrayzenoss> I'm tempted to take him at his word
[05-Nov-2009 16:58:51] <mrayzenoss> after I smoke test it a tiny bit
[05-Nov-2009 17:02:47] <rmatte> hehe
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[05-Nov-2009 21:55:11] <Touma> i can install some zenpacks and restart
[05-Nov-2009 21:55:23] <Touma> or only instal one by one
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[06-Nov-2009 08:36:19] <NewBee> Does this error meant hat my RRD doesn't have the expression zen.MinMaxCheck: User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks()) for maximum value caused error: ['usedBlocks_usedBlocks']
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[06-Nov-2009 09:16:55] <klinstifen> morning all
[06-Nov-2009 09:17:01] <klinstifen> i have a device that is going up down
[06-Nov-2009 09:17:13] <klinstifen> is there a way to change the monitoring for just that one device so it is checked less frequently
[06-Nov-2009 09:17:29] <klinstifen> i thought it would be the commandcycle time under zproperties
[06-Nov-2009 09:17:32] <klinstifen> but that doesn't seem to be it
[06-Nov-2009 09:19:30] <rmatte> klinstifen: no, the cycle times are global per collector
[06-Nov-2009 09:19:47] <rmatte> klinstifen: you'd have to setup a second local collector just for that one device to be able to do that
[06-Nov-2009 09:20:24] <klinstifen> hmm...maybe i will just switch it to the dev class
[06-Nov-2009 09:20:40] <klinstifen> alerts for ping down aren't sent for that class, correct?
[06-Nov-2009 09:20:59] <klinstifen> or i could change my alerts to exclude that device...
[06-Nov-2009 09:21:01] <klinstifen> hmmm
[06-Nov-2009 09:28:09] <mrayzenoss> Anyone using the Puppet/Zenoss integration? It's been updated: http://github.com/mamba/puppet-zenoss
[06-Nov-2009 09:28:19] <adytum-bot> Title: mamba's puppet-zenoss at master - GitHub (at github.com)
[06-Nov-2009 09:29:45] <rmatte> noop
[06-Nov-2009 09:47:37] <rmatte> but not being able to acknowledge events in my script is driving me nuts, by the time I figure this out I will have spent a whole day on something that should have taken 2 seconds
[06-Nov-2009 09:48:30] <RoundQube> klinstifen good morning (at least in my timezone). did you get a chance to test out your hp proliant?
[06-Nov-2009 09:48:45] <NewBee> I hear ya. in the same boat. ya just add disk thresholds it's a snap......
[06-Nov-2009 10:09:21] <NewBee> What do i add to my URL to see the ZOPE info
[06-Nov-2009 10:14:51] <Zenethian> append /manage
[06-Nov-2009 10:28:22] <rmatte> oh my frigging god I finally figured this out, stupidest thing ever
[06-Nov-2009 10:28:29] <rmatte> dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_setEventStates(1, ['3a1ea754-b8e3-45fd-a232-4b0e8e216ad9']) <--- works
[06-Nov-2009 10:28:33] <rmatte> dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_setEventStates(1, '3a1ea754-b8e3-45fd-a232-4b0e8e216ad9') <--- doesn't work
[06-Nov-2009 10:28:52] <rmatte> now I just need to modify my script
[06-Nov-2009 10:30:35] <jrock2004> rmatte: You are missing a good Zenoss training :)
[06-Nov-2009 10:30:55] <rmatte> jrock2004: chances are that I already know 95% of it lol
[06-Nov-2009 10:31:06] <rmatte> what kind of stuff are they teaching?
[06-Nov-2009 10:31:31] <jrock2004> rmatte: Right now they are talking about mapping event to a class
[06-Nov-2009 10:31:51] <jrock2004> they are breaking down zenoss and explaining how to use it and what the parts are for
[06-Nov-2009 10:32:29] <jrock2004> the advance stuff is after luch
[06-Nov-2009 10:32:35] <rmatte> ah
[06-Nov-2009 10:32:53] <rmatte> yeh, I've got event mappings and transforms down to a fine science at this point
[06-Nov-2009 10:33:43] <jrock2004> They brought up a funny story than an IT guy wrote a script that is zenoss detected a critical at 5pm, zenoss would order a pizza for him
[06-Nov-2009 10:34:35] <rmatte> lmao
[06-Nov-2009 10:34:38] <rmatte> that's awesome
[06-Nov-2009 10:35:46] <rmatte> I need to do that but have it order me lunch
[06-Nov-2009 10:35:54] <rmatte> would be easy enough with twill
[06-Nov-2009 10:36:00] <rmatte> automated swiss chalet ordering :)
[06-Nov-2009 10:36:22] <jrock2004> yeah and one guy made a portlet that would show streamining media of the basketball games lol
[06-Nov-2009 10:36:36] <rmatte> haha
[06-Nov-2009 10:36:44] <rmatte> that's taking it a bit too far :P
[06-Nov-2009 10:36:59] <mrayzenoss> yeah, the Site Window portlet included in 2.5 could easily do that
[06-Nov-2009 10:37:19] <rmatte> I intend to browse youtube with it :P
[06-Nov-2009 10:44:34] <rmatte> yesss, this script is finally basically working the way I intended it to
[06-Nov-2009 10:45:31] <rmatte> instead of moving events to history it acknowledges them, each run it checks acknowledged events, if the event count has increased since the last time it checked them it kicks of the ticket create script
[06-Nov-2009 10:45:44] <rmatte> still a lot more work to do but it's coming along
[06-Nov-2009 10:50:54] <jrock2004> I honestly think after this I will need to start over with my zenoss
[06-Nov-2009 10:51:12] <rmatte> hehe
[06-Nov-2009 10:51:45] <rmatte> yeh, the first time you do it and then you really start figuring out how to use it properly you end up with all sorts of "Why the heck did I do that like that?" situations
[06-Nov-2009 10:52:19] <jrock2004> would it best to uninstall stable package and reinstall or is there a command line that will jsut restar it?
[06-Nov-2009 10:52:42] <jrock2004> geez maybe I should just ask the trainers here lol
[06-Nov-2009 10:55:13] <RoundQube> after enabling a zenpack template and binding it, and remodeling the device... i should see in the modeling process logs that the zenpack template was enabled correct? for example, i see all my HP device stuff but not the asterisk that i just enabled
[06-Nov-2009 10:55:45] <RoundQube> yes i know that asterisk zenpack is unstable but testing it. installed fine, loaded and bind correctly, modeled device as well
[06-Nov-2009 11:00:22] <rmatte> hmmmm, now I need to figure out how to remove an entry from the events dictionary in my script when it no longer exists in the queue, actually I think I just had a eureka on how to do that
[06-Nov-2009 11:02:26] <mrayzenoss> RoundQube: depending on what you've added and the level of debugging, you should probably see something in the logs for your templates (ie. in zenperfsnmp.log or zencommand.log)
[06-Nov-2009 11:02:59] <mrayzenoss> RoundQube: Please followup with your Asterisk findings on the page for that ZenPack…
[06-Nov-2009 11:06:53] <NewBee> if Im making a new FileSystem template. and use the Target Class of "Products.ZenModel.FileSystem" should it now pick up the drives on the systems. (and I have a good OID)
[06-Nov-2009 11:09:31] <NewBee> never mind. it Still turns off my threshold.
[06-Nov-2009 11:12:07] <cryptographrix> hello all!
[06-Nov-2009 11:12:42] <cryptographrix> is there an easy way/place to add data points to peformance templates through?
[06-Nov-2009 11:14:05] <cryptographrix> i.e. - can I just add them to db, etc?
[06-Nov-2009 11:14:50] <mrayzenoss> cryptographrix: Yeah, you just add new templates: docs/DOC-3908
[06-Nov-2009 11:14:55] <mrayzenoss> or update the ones in place
[06-Nov-2009 11:14:58] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 6.2 2 Performance Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[06-Nov-2009 11:15:08] <NewBee> can i install the filesystem template somehow? (to make shure it clean)
[06-Nov-2009 11:15:46] <mrayzenoss> What happened to the filesystem template already on your system?
[06-Nov-2009 11:16:10] <NewBee> it will not let me add a threshold
[06-Nov-2009 11:16:24] <NewBee> it says User-supplied Python expression (here.getTotalBlocks() - 1000) for maximum value caused error:
[06-Nov-2009 11:16:56] <NewBee> that was in the zenhub.log
[06-Nov-2009 11:18:11] <cryptographrix> say I have 100 data points entered today, and the devs I work with add 200+ data points to the command data source in the next release - is there a way I can write a script to parse that data source and automatically add the data points to zenoss to be tracked?
[06-Nov-2009 11:18:43] <mrayzenoss> NewBee: http://imagebin.org/70742 Is my vanilla threshold
[06-Nov-2009 11:18:49] <mrayzenoss> unmodified
[06-Nov-2009 11:18:54] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[06-Nov-2009 11:19:12] <NewBee> ya i've tried that also.
[06-Nov-2009 11:19:36] <NewBee> it's ok if i just put a number in there.
[06-Nov-2009 11:19:49] <mrayzenoss> cryptographrix: you can create a migrate step to update the threshold if you're delivering the templates via a ZenPack...
[06-Nov-2009 11:20:36] <cryptographrix> hmmm
[06-Nov-2009 11:20:56] <mrayzenoss> s/template/threshold/
[06-Nov-2009 11:21:09] <NewBee> message/36296#36296 <--- this talks about a ZODB. it the here.totalBlocks in the ZODB?
[06-Nov-2009 11:21:18] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Thresholds and custom class properties (at community.zenoss.org)
[06-Nov-2009 12:01:34] <sloof3> I'm trying to add 95% graphs. I followed: message/26743#26743 30 minutes later I don't have the new graph.
[06-Nov-2009 12:01:42] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 95th percentile graphs (at community.zenoss.org)
[06-Nov-2009 12:09:54] <rmatte> did you delete the old RRD?
[06-Nov-2009 12:10:11] <rmatte> if it had a graph before you need to kill the old RRD file so that it generates a new one
[06-Nov-2009 12:18:28] <sloof3> rmatte: If I delete the old one do I lose my graph points?
[06-Nov-2009 12:19:12] <sloof3> By that I mean the historical data I've already logged, will I lose it?
[06-Nov-2009 12:21:07] <rmatte> yes
[06-Nov-2009 12:21:09] <rmatte> you will
[06-Nov-2009 12:21:31] <rmatte> the only other way to do it would be to do some rrdtool magic on the existing file
[06-Nov-2009 12:22:22] <sloof3> Well that isn't fun at all
[06-Nov-2009 12:22:28] <sloof3> I like me shiny data
[06-Nov-2009 12:23:06] <sloof3> It's a seperate graph though. Is there a reason the data must be deleted?
[06-Nov-2009 12:33:43] <rmatte> as if
[06-Nov-2009 12:33:45] <rmatte> for k, v in events:
[06-Nov-2009 12:33:46] <rmatte> ValueError: too many values to unpack
[06-Nov-2009 12:33:59] <rmatte> it's actually complaining that there's too much data in a dictionary to unpack
[06-Nov-2009 12:36:32] <rmatte> ah it's because I'm an idiot
[06-Nov-2009 12:36:35] <rmatte> forgot the .iteritems()
[06-Nov-2009 12:37:25] <mrayzenoss> sloof3: if you're adding a new graph, you don't have to delete anything
[06-Nov-2009 12:37:32] <mrayzenoss> it's only if you're updating an existing graph
[06-Nov-2009 12:38:13] <venturaville> hi
[06-Nov-2009 12:38:31] <mrayzenoss> greetings
[06-Nov-2009 12:38:33] <venturaville> does anyone know of an iostats addon for snmpd.conf that keeps the snmp indexes intact for the filesystems....
[06-Nov-2009 12:39:35] <venturaville> I'm playing with the iostat.pl pass through that someone from cacti wrote at the moment
[06-Nov-2009 12:40:05] <mrayzenoss> that sounds familiar… was that in a recent forum post?
[06-Nov-2009 12:40:42] <venturaville> not that I know of ... I found it on a cacti group
[06-Nov-2009 12:40:49] <mrayzenoss> message/41671#41671
[06-Nov-2009 12:40:58] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Graph I/O Performance? (at community.zenoss.org)
[06-Nov-2009 12:41:30] <venturaville> must have subconsciously seen it and it not registered :-P
[06-Nov-2009 12:42:15] <mrayzenoss> it was just posted yesterday, so maybe you missed it
[06-Nov-2009 12:42:46] <venturaville> I'm playing with a fusion I/O card on the mysql server that hosts zenoss events ... so I was hoping to graph out disk latency on it
[06-Nov-2009 12:43:42] <mrayzenoss> that sounds like a handy ZenPack
[06-Nov-2009 12:44:15] <venturaville> it would be ... I was hoping someone had already done the mappings of snmp indexes between it and the normal filesystem
[06-Nov-2009 12:44:22] <venturaville> (they don't match up)
[06-Nov-2009 12:51:34] <venturaville> is there an example of a zenpack that at least adds additional data to the base filesystem graphs?
[06-Nov-2009 13:06:43] <venturaville> I'll take the lack of a response as a no..
[06-Nov-2009 13:09:06] <mrayzenoss> Nothing's jumping to mind… probably the Advanced Details does...
[06-Nov-2009 13:10:53] <mrayzenoss> VMware ESX Filesystems provides a FilesystemMap
[06-Nov-2009 13:11:07] <mrayzenoss> but you want extending
[06-Nov-2009 13:12:12] <venturaville> yep, though from looking over things more closely there is probably no way to get there from here.. .I am forgetting that the filesystem devices rarely match the underlying hardware device names.....
[06-Nov-2009 13:12:34] <venturaville> perhaps a completely new map
[06-Nov-2009 13:12:44] <venturaville> StorageDeviceMap
[06-Nov-2009 13:30:51] <majikman> how do i create custom alerting thresholds for zenoss?
[06-Nov-2009 13:36:08] <mrayzenoss> majikman: docs/DOC-3908#d4e2900
[06-Nov-2009 13:36:25] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 6.2 2 Performance Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[06-Nov-2009 13:41:55] <mrayzenoss> Has anyone tried out the Plixer ZenPack?
[06-Nov-2009 13:43:32] <majikman> thanks mrayzenoss
[06-Nov-2009 13:43:54] <mrayzenoss> np
[06-Nov-2009 13:45:58] <xamox> According to the documentation I can install zenpacks from settings->zen packs->install except I don't see any button for install. Is there something I need to do?
[06-Nov-2009 13:49:55] <mrayzenoss> xamox: http://imagebin.org/70761
[06-Nov-2009 13:50:05] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[06-Nov-2009 13:51:19] <davetoo> Process not running: cat
[06-Nov-2009 13:51:24] <davetoo> Process not running: /bin/sh
[06-Nov-2009 13:51:25] <davetoo> wtf
[06-Nov-2009 13:51:32] <xamox> mrayzenoss, derp. Thanks.
[06-Nov-2009 13:52:14] <wildcard0> hey. i have a daily maint window set from 1am-3:30am for a box, but it ends at 2:30am every night. any ideas?
[06-Nov-2009 13:52:40] <wildcard0> i was thinking something was overlapping somewhere, but i don't see anything. is there any way to dump all my maint windows at once?
[06-Nov-2009 13:53:10] <mrayzenoss> wildcard0: daylight savings? overlapping maintenance windows?
[06-Nov-2009 13:53:46] <wildcard0> mrayzenoss: not dst, it happens every night. im looking for overlapping ones, but there aren't any on the same box or on the template tree above it.
[06-Nov-2009 13:54:08] <wildcard0> is there any way to dump all the ones that exist in the db? im thinking there may be a stray in the table somewhere?
[06-Nov-2009 13:55:41] <mrayzenoss> hmm… the notification schedule report isn't exactly what you want
[06-Nov-2009 13:55:55] <wildcard0> or, alternatively, where does zenoss keep this stuff that i can go look at manually?
[06-Nov-2009 13:55:59] <wildcard0> it is it a db or in a text file?
[06-Nov-2009 13:57:16] <mrayzenoss> digging
[06-Nov-2009 13:57:23] <wildcard0> thanks :)
[06-Nov-2009 14:03:00] <rmatte> I finally got this script working
[06-Nov-2009 14:03:10] <rmatte> after a lot of screwing around
[06-Nov-2009 14:04:34] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/m1b63cffb
[06-Nov-2009 14:04:44] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[06-Nov-2009 14:04:50] <rmatte> there's the code so far, still have more work to do to it now, need to add code to support a config file
[06-Nov-2009 14:05:56] <rmatte> it watches the active events, if an event is in a state of new it opens a ticket then acknowledges the event, it then only opens another ticket for that event if the event count on the event increases (it keeps a dictionary of active events)
[06-Nov-2009 14:06:06] <rmatte> if an event is moved to history it removes it from the dictionary
[06-Nov-2009 14:11:21] <cgibbons> hurm
[06-Nov-2009 14:11:40] <cgibbons> i don't suppose anyone has a decent zenpack or template for Airport EXtremes & Expresses?
[06-Nov-2009 14:12:36] <mrayzenoss> cgibbons: what do you need?
[06-Nov-2009 14:12:56] <mrayzenoss> mine monitor just fine
[06-Nov-2009 14:17:30] <gwb235> i am really digging chris hubbard's Iwillfearnoevil SSL zenpack.
[06-Nov-2009 14:17:59] <davetoo> *arg*
[06-Nov-2009 14:18:19] <cgibbons> do they actally have any useful data, matt?
[06-Nov-2009 14:18:23] <davetoo> If I try to add an osprocess class to a zenpack, it gives me all the bloody process *instances* too
[06-Nov-2009 14:18:38] <davetoo> so if I do it from a system that's actually monitoring anything.....
[06-Nov-2009 14:18:52] <davetoo> Trying to find a workaround using zendump
[06-Nov-2009 14:19:07] <davetoo> May end up just using a bloody xml editor
[06-Nov-2009 14:19:43] <rmatte> davetoo: that blows
[06-Nov-2009 14:20:16] <mrayzenoss> cgibbons: I've got mine under /Network/Router… I added performance monitoring for the number of DHCP leases out
[06-Nov-2009 14:20:26] <mrayzenoss> but everything works just fine
[06-Nov-2009 14:20:30] <mrayzenoss> and they do syslog too
[06-Nov-2009 14:20:38] <mrayzenoss> or at least, the Extreme does
[06-Nov-2009 14:20:44] <rmatte> oooooook, time to read up on configparser
[06-Nov-2009 14:21:21] <davetoo> maybe my problem is that I'm using 2.4.2 on that core box :)
[06-Nov-2009 14:21:41] <rmatte> doubt it, but maybe
[06-Nov-2009 14:22:28] <rmatte> I'd recommend 2.4.5 with these patches: docs/DOC-4434
[06-Nov-2009 14:22:34] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Post-2.4.5 Patches (at community.zenoss.org)
[06-Nov-2009 14:23:18] <davetoo> as soon as I get the Enterprise system up and blessed, this other system is being retired
[06-Nov-2009 14:25:57] <rmatte> ah
[06-Nov-2009 14:50:51] <mrayzenoss> I think I'm going to go ahead and modify the WMI Data Source warning that people should upgrade to 1.5 before installing 2.5 based on the positive feedback so far
[06-Nov-2009 14:51:47] <rmatte> cool
[06-Nov-2009 14:51:55] <gwb235> I've created a custom event class, associated thresholds with the new class, but they're still mapping to the old event class (when threshold exceeded) of /Perf/SNMP (instead of /SSL/expire_7). Do I need to restart daemons/update collectors to propogate?
[06-Nov-2009 14:52:08] <rmatte> modify the general warning that you posted as well as the one on the zenpack page itself
[06-Nov-2009 14:54:44] <mrayzenoss> yeah, I'm doing that
[06-Nov-2009 14:55:01] <rmatte> I figured you would, just reminding :)
[06-Nov-2009 14:55:36] <RoundQube> Zenoss is reporting alerts because one port is going over threshold (here.speed) / 8 * 75, which seems kinda low threshold considering its a switch port. How can I globally change this value rather than just per port?
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:04] <RoundQube> or better yet, how can Zenoss alert me if it goes over that treshold sustained for 30+ mins but not warn me if it only goes above that for a few mins.
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:16] <rmatte> RoundQube: it's easy
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:24] <rmatte> RoundQube: go to /Devices
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:26] <rmatte> then Templates
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:31] <rmatte> and find the ethernet template
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:39] <rmatte> then go in to that and edit the threshold
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:43] <RoundQube> ahh, thanks
[06-Nov-2009 14:56:46] <rmatte> np
[06-Nov-2009 14:57:00] <RoundQube> so whats a good value there? because when ppl perform copies over the network to a server, it alerts me each time
[06-Nov-2009 14:57:31] <RoundQube> i guess it doesn't matter if this port goes over 100megs, I care more when our internet bound traffic exceeds 75% saturation
[06-Nov-2009 14:57:53] <rmatte> I'd say 90 percent probably
[06-Nov-2009 14:57:58] <rmatte> so * 90
[06-Nov-2009 14:58:22] <RoundQube> right now its /8 * .90, just set it to that
[06-Nov-2009 14:58:29] <rmatte> then you'll probably want to create local copies of the template on your internet bound ports
[06-Nov-2009 14:58:32] <rmatte> and set them to 75
[06-Nov-2009 14:58:40] <RoundQube> weird though that i got alerts when .75 of it wasn' treached
[06-Nov-2009 14:58:43] <rmatte> yeh .90 should work fine
[06-Nov-2009 14:59:02] <RoundQube> got this message on a 100mb switch port: threshold of high utilization exceeded: current value 12679964.76
[06-Nov-2009 14:59:08] <rmatte> RoundQube: the percentage is based on what speed it thinks the port is
[06-Nov-2009 14:59:12] <RoundQube> thats basically 12 megabits
[06-Nov-2009 14:59:18] <rmatte> click on the port in Zenoss and check the speed value that Zenoss has for it
[06-Nov-2009 14:59:34] <rmatte> we have issues with some tunnel interfaces which report their speed as like 7kbps via snmp
[06-Nov-2009 14:59:43] <rmatte> so we end up with them reporting like 300% utilization
[06-Nov-2009 14:59:59] <RoundQube> rmatte fa0/9 shows up in zenoss as 100mbps
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:06] <rmatte> and that's 12 megabytes
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:08] <rmatte> not megabits
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:13] <rmatte> it's 100 megabits
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:25] <rmatte> bits are smaller than bytes :)
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:32] <RoundQube> yes i know :)
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:40] <rmatte> 12.5 to be precise
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:51] <RoundQube> i should change the message around to say bytes because i always read last network numbers in bits
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:54] <RoundQube> as is the norm
[06-Nov-2009 15:00:56] <rmatte> RoundQube: ok, if it shows up as 100mbps then that's good
[06-Nov-2009 15:01:13] <RoundQube> i guess the .76 after it should have alerted me, dumb i guess
[06-Nov-2009 15:01:23] <rmatte> should have
[06-Nov-2009 15:01:53] <RoundQube> the throughput graph is showing max: 200.97M, how can that be on a 100mbps port? even in full-duplex thats 200mbps port only
[06-Nov-2009 15:02:24] <mrayzenoss> 1024 vs 1000?
[06-Nov-2009 15:02:57] <RoundQube> and not sure why zenoss didn't alert me of a 2nd port being affected because since this traffic is not hittting the internet (checked via graphs of router), it must be network copies to another server
[06-Nov-2009 15:09:27] <majikman> mrayzenoss, i noticed a response by you to another user regarding the auto discovery. i'm getting this when I run zendisc "WARNING:zen.ZenDisc:No networks configured" but when I go to networks, I have one configured. what else could cause that?
[06-Nov-2009 15:10:12] <rmatte> RoundQube: possibly because whatever device it was copying to isn't being monitored?
[06-Nov-2009 15:10:30] <RoundQube> rmatte but all ports on the swtich are monitored
[06-Nov-2009 15:10:57] <rmatte> RoundQube: any gig ports on it?
[06-Nov-2009 15:10:59] <RoundQube> so when traffic leaves and saturates say fa0/9, and destined for another device, lets say its not monitored should still flow through another switch port
[06-Nov-2009 15:11:13] <RoundQube> rmatte yes but we've disabled them.. only using 10/100 ports
[06-Nov-2009 15:11:18] <rmatte> ah
[06-Nov-2009 15:11:21] <rmatte> no idea then
[06-Nov-2009 15:11:29] <RoundQube> thats what's got me so confused hehe
[06-Nov-2009 15:11:50] <mrayzenoss> majikman: are you discovering from the UI?
[06-Nov-2009 15:11:58] <majikman> from the comand line
[06-Nov-2009 15:12:04] <mrayzenoss> ahhh...
[06-Nov-2009 15:12:07] <RoundQube> mrayzenoss nice webinar the other day, very helpful!
[06-Nov-2009 15:12:15] <mrayzenoss> RoundQube: thanks
[06-Nov-2009 15:12:21] <mrayzenoss> majikman: it's easier through the UI
[06-Nov-2009 15:12:33] <mrayzenoss> and even easier with the Easy Add
[06-Nov-2009 15:12:37] <majikman> mrayzenoss, yea, but i want it to run regularly so i'm adding it to my crontab
[06-Nov-2009 15:13:12] <mrayzenoss> majikman: have you added the network under Networks?
[06-Nov-2009 15:13:18] <majikman> yes
[06-Nov-2009 15:13:34] <mrayzenoss> and what's your command line?
[06-Nov-2009 15:13:39] <majikman> zendisc run
[06-Nov-2009 15:13:42] <mrayzenoss> like "/usr/local/zenoss/bin/zendisc run --net 10.0.111.0/24"
[06-Nov-2009 15:13:49] <majikman> oh... i still need to specify --net?
[06-Nov-2009 15:13:58] <mrayzenoss> try what I just posted, that's what the discover job uses
[06-Nov-2009 15:14:11] <majikman> ok, that would explain it. thanks. i thought it pulls from the networks i have configured
[06-Nov-2009 15:14:25] <mrayzenoss> there are more options available, like which device class and how many parallel options to run
[06-Nov-2009 15:15:29] <mrayzenoss> zendisc help
[06-Nov-2009 15:16:56] <mrayzenoss> interesting, just noticed the "—walk" option
[06-Nov-2009 15:27:43] <majikman> yea... the help was useful. thanks
[06-Nov-2009 15:30:01] <majikman> hmm.... is it possible to exclude a range? i'm using a /24 but 10 of the ip addresses in that /24, iw ant to exclude
[06-Nov-2009 15:32:00] <mrayzenoss> you can do ranges in the UI with the easy add, there's a ticket somewhere that it needs to be added to the CLI
[06-Nov-2009 15:33:53] <mrayzenoss> hmm.. .maybe it does work: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/4612
[06-Nov-2009 15:36:01] <mrayzenoss> majikman: try this: zendisc run --range 10.0.0.1-20
[06-Nov-2009 15:36:07] <mrayzenoss> or whatever your network is
[06-Nov-2009 15:36:25] <majikman> ahh... sweet, let me try that
[06-Nov-2009 15:36:29] <mrayzenoss> I think it's 2.5 only
[06-Nov-2009 15:36:56] <mrayzenoss> seems to work, cool
[06-Nov-2009 15:37:00] <majikman> i see a --range feature in 2.4.3
[06-Nov-2009 15:37:15] <majikman> or whatever version i'm running. def not 2.5 though
[06-Nov-2009 15:37:42] <mrayzenoss> good to know
[06-Nov-2009 15:50:39] <majikman> so i put a server into maintenance mode but zenoss appears to still be checking it and displaying events in the event console. how can i get it to stp that?
[06-Nov-2009 15:51:13] <mrayzenoss> majikman: which maintenance mode?
[06-Nov-2009 15:51:39] <majikman> by setting production state
[06-Nov-2009 16:21:12] <majikman> so i want to set a mysql threshold for the number of connections and i can do that fine. the problem i'm having is that i have master and replica servers and obviously, the number of connections for thosee two are going to be different. when i create the threshold, it appears to apply to all my mysql servers. i can't seem to specify one for the masters and one for the replicas. any idea hwo to do thsi?
[06-Nov-2009 16:49:15] zz_Bryanstein is now known as Bryanstein
[06-Nov-2009 16:54:17] <mrayzenoss> wildcard0: saw your post, I may use that as a tip of the month next month
[06-Nov-2009 16:55:07] <wildcard0> cool
[06-Nov-2009 16:55:24] <wildcard0> i've now learned zendmd and can do lots more :)
[06-Nov-2009 17:00:14] <rmatte> yeh, zendmd is golden
[06-Nov-2009 17:04:05] <rmatte> woohoo, I think I'm finally done my script (well, just need to polish it up now). It reads from a config file and everything.
[06-Nov-2009 17:06:42] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/f45b61f52
[06-Nov-2009 17:06:52] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[06-Nov-2009 17:08:48] <rmatte> hmmm, think I'll package this up as a ZenPack and get it to start when zenoss does, like zenperfwmi
[06-Nov-2009 17:09:27] <majikman> are we not allowed to post images in the forums?
[06-Nov-2009 17:09:41] <mrayzenoss> I think you can
[06-Nov-2009 17:09:58] <mrayzenoss> I know I've posted images
[06-Nov-2009 17:10:04] <majikman> there is an insert image button but its grayed out...
[06-Nov-2009 17:10:15] <majikman> oh... or do i just attach it as a file?
[06-Nov-2009 17:10:28] <mrayzenoss> no… you should be able to do it in the WYSIWIG
[06-Nov-2009 17:10:35] <mrayzenoss> attachements are for non-images
[06-Nov-2009 17:11:39] <majikman> hmm... dunno. i can attach it fine, i just can't seem to insert an image. can't drag and drop it into the WYSIWYG
[06-Nov-2009 17:11:46] <majikman> its ok. i'll just attach it then
[06-Nov-2009 17:11:58] <mrayzenoss> what browser?
[06-Nov-2009 17:12:05] <majikman> chrome
[06-Nov-2009 17:13:15] <mrayzenoss> weird, it works for me
[06-Nov-2009 17:13:29] <mrayzenoss> screenshot?
[06-Nov-2009 17:17:12] <majikman> hmm.... http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~choua/pictures/zenoss.png
[06-Nov-2009 17:19:20] <mrayzenoss> which forum?
[06-Nov-2009 17:21:27] <mrayzenoss> weird… I need to create myself another account so I can see the site without SuperAdmin privileges
[06-Nov-2009 17:22:48] <majikman> on the zenpack forum
[06-Nov-2009 17:22:56] <majikman> yea... it might be because i don't have the correct permissions
[06-Nov-2009 17:23:20] <majikman> mrayzenoss, do you need me to keep the picture up to show your engineering team or can i delete it?
[06-Nov-2009 17:23:28] <mrayzenoss> you can delete it
[06-Nov-2009 17:25:05] <mrayzenoss> I'm creating an account for myself
[06-Nov-2009 17:27:19] <mrayzenoss> How about that… it's greyed out
[06-Nov-2009 17:27:28] <mrayzenoss> I'll see if I can fix that
[06-Nov-2009 17:27:38] <majikman> awesome. thanks!
[06-Nov-2009 17:31:04] <mrayzenoss> hmm… why don't you put it as an attachment for now… I think I can set this but I don't have time to test it before I leave
[06-Nov-2009 17:32:09] <mrayzenoss> I gotta run, later
[06-Nov-2009 17:32:22] <majikman> ok, have a good weekend
[06-Nov-2009 17:33:09] <rmatte> well, I've had just about as much coding as I can stand for today
[06-Nov-2009 17:33:19] <rmatte> time to rest my brain
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[07-Nov-2009 08:50:20] <sergeymasushko> morning
[07-Nov-2009 08:50:31] <sergeymasushko> I have a weird situation
[07-Nov-2009 08:51:45] <sergeymasushko> one device continuously said that 'tail' process is down. however I do not see that process under the "OS" tab... how could it be?
[07-Nov-2009 19:37:57] <Alowishus> I've got a host being monitored via SSH... but it's only offering graphs for CPU statistics, not memory... any ideas where to start looking? This is v2.5, and from what I can tell the correct collector plugin is in place... when I model the device I can even see it checking memory
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[08-Nov-2009 06:48:40] <Skaag> I can't find the ApacheMonitor zenpack
[08-Nov-2009 06:48:58] <Skaag> at least not here: community/zenpacks
[08-Nov-2009 06:49:05] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: ZenPacks (at community.zenoss.org)
[08-Nov-2009 06:53:21] <Skaag> looks like all the zenpacks I'm trying to install are failing in 2.5
[08-Nov-2009 06:53:37] <Skaag> like the HP ProCurve, or the Ubuntu Linux zenpacks
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[09-Nov-2009 02:36:45] <davetoo> hmm
[09-Nov-2009 02:36:53] <davetoo> scary when a reindex() throws exceptions
[09-Nov-2009 06:20:13] <ilejn> Hello.
[09-Nov-2009 06:20:29] <ilejn> How is it possible to use custom MIB file?
[09-Nov-2009 06:21:37] <ilejn> I have the MIB file among listed in "zport/dmd/Mibs"
[09-Nov-2009 06:22:03] <Troubadix09> ilejn: install it to zenoss, but zenoss use it only to transfer snmp-traps to readable messages.
[09-Nov-2009 06:22:21] <ilejn> The question is how to refer the MIB specifiing a datasource.
[09-Nov-2009 06:22:28] <ilejn> Is it possible at all?
[09-Nov-2009 06:23:19] <Troubadix09> ilejin: No, but you can use the zenpack MIB-Browser to browse the mib-file and search for the right OID you want to use in a datasource
[09-Nov-2009 06:24:19] <ilejn> Hm ... so ID in "Add a New DataSource" form must be numeric, right?
[09-Nov-2009 06:24:31] <Troubadix09> ilejin: here is the link to the zenpack: docs/DOC-3412
[09-Nov-2009 06:24:39] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - MIB Browser/Utils (at community.zenoss.org)
[09-Nov-2009 06:24:49] <Troubadix09> iljin: right
[09-Nov-2009 06:25:28] <ilejn> Troubadix09, thanks a lot for the link and for answering.
[09-Nov-2009 06:25:44] <Troubadix09> iljin: no prob :)
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[09-Nov-2009 07:19:42] <mnandres> hello
[09-Nov-2009 07:40:22] <Troubadix09> hello mnandres
[09-Nov-2009 07:40:29] <mnandres> hi
[09-Nov-2009 09:05:07] <mnandres> Troubadix09: i have some cuestion
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[09-Nov-2009 09:31:58] <rmatte> good morning folks
[09-Nov-2009 09:31:59] <etank> mnandres: it is best just to ask the question that you have.
[09-Nov-2009 09:32:14] <rmatte> yeh, don't ask to ask lol, counter-productive
[09-Nov-2009 09:32:15] <mnandres> ok
[09-Nov-2009 09:32:48] <mnandres> i needed to now some think about hp4000
[09-Nov-2009 09:32:59] <mnandres> some tellme hoy
[09-Nov-2009 09:33:16] <mnandres> how take information from mib
[09-Nov-2009 09:33:28] <mnandres> i create a tempalte
[09-Nov-2009 09:33:32] <mnandres> template
[09-Nov-2009 09:33:44] <mnandres> i add data source
[09-Nov-2009 09:34:05] <mnandres> and graph
[09-Nov-2009 09:34:09] <mnandres> but
[09-Nov-2009 09:34:12] <mnandres> first
[09-Nov-2009 09:34:19] <mnandres> i have this problem
[09-Nov-2009 09:34:38] <rmatte> you don't use Mibs at all when creating templates, you need to snmpwalk the device, find the value that you want, then snmpwalk the device again with the -On flag, find the OID that you need, and input it in to the SNMP type datasource
[09-Nov-2009 09:35:03] <rmatte> you can also google for the values, there are usually sites that have the correct OIDs for what you want kicking around
[09-Nov-2009 09:35:29] <mnandres> Error reading value for "job-info-pages-printed" on 172.16.40.232 (oid
[09-Nov-2009 09:35:37] <mnandres> Error reading value for "job-info-pages-printed" on 172.16.40.232 (oid is bad)
[09-Nov-2009 09:36:31] <mnandres> i have oid values
[09-Nov-2009 09:36:48] <mnandres> some from the chat sendme one page
[09-Nov-2009 09:37:01] <mnandres> if i test
[09-Nov-2009 09:38:17] <mnandres> Executing command snmpwalk -cpublic -v1 172.16.40.232 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13 against 172.16.40.232 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3812.0 = INTEGER: 34 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3816.0 = INTEGER: 4 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3820.0 = INTEGER: 4 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3824.0 = INTEGER: 2 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3828.0 = INTEGER: 2 SN
[09-Nov-2009 09:39:57] <mnandres> you understande me?
[09-Nov-2009 09:43:17] <rmatte> ok, here's what you need to understand...
[09-Nov-2009 09:43:29] <rmatte> some OID values are for a single value and some are a "tree" of multiple values
[09-Nov-2009 09:43:36] <mnandres> ok
[09-Nov-2009 09:43:53] <rmatte> 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13 is a tree since it's outputting 3 different values
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:03] <rmatte> you can't have an OID with 3 different values output and use it in Zenoss
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:07] <rmatte> it has to be 1 value
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:10] <rmatte> so instead of 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:17] <rmatte> you'd need to use...
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:22] <rmatte> 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3812.0
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:23] <rmatte> or
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:29] <rmatte> 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3820.0
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:30] <rmatte> or
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:37] <rmatte> 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3828.0
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:39] <rmatte> understand?
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:45] <mnandres> a litte
[09-Nov-2009 09:44:52] <rmatte> otherwise you'll get a "Bad OID Value" message
[09-Nov-2009 09:45:15] <rmatte> 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13 is the parent value
[09-Nov-2009 09:45:20] <rmatte> and those 3 values are children
[09-Nov-2009 09:45:25] <rmatte> you can only use children in Zenoss
[09-Nov-2009 09:45:28] <rmatte> you can't use parent values
[09-Nov-2009 09:45:32] <mnandres> ok
[09-Nov-2009 09:45:37] <mnandres> that understand
[09-Nov-2009 09:45:42] <rmatte> k, good
[09-Nov-2009 09:46:19] <mnandres> but, how you now, wath i can too use
[09-Nov-2009 09:46:34] <mnandres> wy 3812, or 3820 or 3828
[09-Nov-2009 09:46:41] <rmatte> it depends on what value you need out of those 3
[09-Nov-2009 09:46:49] <rmatte> if you need all 3 then you need to create a data source for each
[09-Nov-2009 09:46:58] <rmatte> though the values may be different from device to device
[09-Nov-2009 09:47:30] <mnandres> how you now that its the correct values
[09-Nov-2009 09:47:32] <rmatte> google around and see if you can find out
[09-Nov-2009 09:47:39] <adytum-bot> rmatte: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[09-Nov-2009 09:47:44] <rmatte> you just have to use common sense
[09-Nov-2009 09:48:03] <rmatte> mhmmm, the bot errored
[09-Nov-2009 09:48:04] <rmatte> lol
[09-Nov-2009 09:48:21] <jrock2004> Does anyone know if there is a zenpack that will check blacklists for a domain?
[09-Nov-2009 09:48:37] <mnandres> rmatte
[09-Nov-2009 09:48:39] <mnandres> tahnks
[09-Nov-2009 09:49:27] <rmatte> jrock2004: there is no existing one that I'm aware of
[09-Nov-2009 09:49:39] <jrock2004> rmatte: Cool
[09-Nov-2009 09:51:40] <Troubadix09> rmatte: hi
[09-Nov-2009 09:52:38] <jrock2004> rmatte: I guess I can look into use the nagios plugin in my zenoss instance
[09-Nov-2009 09:55:51] <jrock2004> I am noticing that 2.5 is a lot slower to model devices
[09-Nov-2009 10:01:16] <jrock2004> Ok I have the apache and mysql zenpacks templates for /Devices/Server/Linux Now I do have some devices that are not running these
[09-Nov-2009 10:01:23] <Troubadix09> jrock2004: and slower event-console
[09-Nov-2009 10:01:56] <jrock2004> I went into zPropterties and removed the templates apache and mysql. remodeled the device and still getting errors about apache
[09-Nov-2009 10:02:47] <jrock2004> Should I just put the ones without a webserver into another class?
[09-Nov-2009 10:04:18] <rmatte> Troubadix09: hi
[09-Nov-2009 10:04:56] <rmatte> jrock2004: you need to push changes to the collector after removing them
[09-Nov-2009 10:05:10] <rmatte> jrock2004: the collector only updates from Zenoss every hour, so it thinks those templates are still there
[09-Nov-2009 10:05:31] <rmatte> jrock2004: also check the collector plugins list
[09-Nov-2009 10:05:43] <rmatte> jrock2004: it probably has more to do with left-over collector plugins than with templates
[09-Nov-2009 10:06:10] <rmatte> Troubadix09: I find the event console in 2.5 is twice as fast as the old one
[09-Nov-2009 10:06:58] <rmatte> anyways, I won't be very chatty today, I have coding to finish
[09-Nov-2009 10:07:09] <rmatte> which I shall be getting to right now, so talk to you guys a bit later
[09-Nov-2009 10:07:15] <jrock2004> ok
[09-Nov-2009 10:15:33] <gwb2351> is there a way (maybe via the dmd interface) to say "what devices is template X bound to" and generate a list?
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:16] <rmatte> you want a list of templates?
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:21] <ckrough> gwb2351: dmd.Devices.getAllRRDTemplates()
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:34] <ckrough> for x in dmd.Devices.getAllRRDTemplates(), blah blah
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:41] <rmatte> gwb2351: nah, there's an easier way
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:44] <rmatte> click on devices on the left
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:49] <gwb2351> i'm looking for a way to say "we have a template monitoring SSL expiration, what devices are bound to it"
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:56] <rmatte> then More -> All Templates
[09-Nov-2009 10:19:59] <rmatte> and you'll get what you want
[09-Nov-2009 10:20:19] <rmatte> you can also do it on device sub-groups if you want to narrow it down
[09-Nov-2009 10:20:47] <gwb2351> that's a good way to show all templates, but how do i tell what the list of devices bound to template X is?
[09-Nov-2009 10:21:06] <rmatte> obviously you'd sort by template name and then look at the definition path
[09-Nov-2009 10:21:19] <rmatte> oh wait, I get what you're saying
[09-Nov-2009 10:21:34] <rmatte> I thought you were just looking for devices which the template was locally bound to?
[09-Nov-2009 10:21:58] <rmatte> are you looking for this to be fully automated?
[09-Nov-2009 10:22:00] <gwb2351> no; what devices are bound to a top-level template
[09-Nov-2009 10:22:07] <gwb2351> no, just trying to check
[09-Nov-2009 10:22:22] <rmatte> then list the templates like I said and look at the Definition paths for the specific template
[09-Nov-2009 10:22:23] <gwb2351> we're migrating from one template checking SSL to another and I don't want to "lose" any devices
[09-Nov-2009 10:23:06] <chemist> is there anyway to 'skin' zenoss? we are using 2 instances and it would be good to differenciate them
[09-Nov-2009 10:23:24] <rmatte> chemist: it's possible, but I haven't seen a guide for doing it or anything
[09-Nov-2009 10:23:34] <gwb2351> i.e. we used to have a template "NagiosCheckSSLcert" and now we have a (better) template "SSLcert", how do I move all devices from old to new?
[09-Nov-2009 10:23:42] <gwb2351> both templates are at the /Devices level
[09-Nov-2009 10:23:47] <rmatte> chemist: realistically though, are people incapable of looking at a URL bar to determine which instance they are in?
[09-Nov-2009 10:24:13] <chemist> no, it would just be a nice function
[09-Nov-2009 10:24:13] <davetoo> I guess I am :)
[09-Nov-2009 10:24:22] <rmatte> gwb2351: well, that's the only way that I'm personally aware of, but I'm not as selective with my binding as you are
[09-Nov-2009 10:24:39] <davetoo> You have to use the ZMI
[09-Nov-2009 10:24:42] <rmatte> gwb2351: there's probably some zendmd magic that you could do but I have no idea what functions you'd use
[09-Nov-2009 10:24:57] <davetoo> copy images and CSS to the Custom zope folder
[09-Nov-2009 10:25:31] <davetoo> Look at the zenpack docs regarding skins
[09-Nov-2009 10:25:51] <davetoo> though I'm doing it without zenpacks
[09-Nov-2009 10:26:27] <davetoo> 246 conflicts, of which 1 were unresolved <-- that always makes me nervous
[09-Nov-2009 10:27:01] <rmatte> davetoo: yeh, that's generally not a great sign
[09-Nov-2009 10:27:18] <cgibbons> what's the worst that could happen...
[09-Nov-2009 10:27:56] <rmatte> :P
[09-Nov-2009 10:28:38] <davetoo> global thermonuclear war
[09-Nov-2009 10:29:02] <rmatte> "How about a nice game of chess?"
[09-Nov-2009 10:29:20] * davetoo was monkeying with the ZCatalogs last night via the ZMI
[09-Nov-2009 10:29:34] <davetoo> had a device that disappeared but wouldn't go away
[09-Nov-2009 10:29:46] <davetoo> :)
[09-Nov-2009 10:30:11] <rmatte> lol
[09-Nov-2009 10:30:55] <davetoo> Currently I'm trying to figure out why the heck I'm getting snmp agent down events from a distributed collector instance that isn't monitoring that particular device
[09-Nov-2009 10:31:50] <davetoo> What are these "Async delete" and "delete request" messages?
[09-Nov-2009 10:32:50] <cgibbons> From a collector daemon?
[09-Nov-2009 10:33:02] <davetoo> yes
[09-Nov-2009 10:33:14] <davetoo> in fact it was about the system that it' not supposed to be polling
[09-Nov-2009 10:33:17] <davetoo> zenperfsnmp
[09-Nov-2009 10:33:38] <cgibbons> Should be when zenhub detects that a device is no longer applicable to the daemon in question (i.e. a user removed it from a device class or something like that) and it sends a delete command to the daemon.
[09-Nov-2009 10:34:51] <davetoo> but that daemon instance wasn't supposed to be monitoring that device
[09-Nov-2009 10:35:02] <cgibbons> lesee
[09-Nov-2009 10:35:26] <davetoo> here's what's going on:
[09-Nov-2009 10:35:53] <davetoo> Hub/master system is in North Carolina
[09-Nov-2009 10:36:20] <davetoo> One of the remote collectors is in CA, device in question is assigned to the monitor in CA
[09-Nov-2009 10:37:15] <davetoo> Two devices are assigned to the localhost monitor, so zenperfsnmp is running on the hub; somehow that zenperfsnmp daemon is sending events (snmp down) for a device that belogs to the remote collector
[09-Nov-2009 10:38:51] <davetoo> But my co-worker just blew up my experiment so I may never know exactly what was happening :|
[09-Nov-2009 10:39:12] <davetoo> (he deleted and re-added the device)
[09-Nov-2009 10:39:13] <ckrough> davetoo: I just created a ticket for problem with support
[09-Nov-2009 10:39:39] <ckrough> when a device get's re-IP;d, the old collector doesnt update and starts sending SNMP down events
[09-Nov-2009 10:40:07] <davetoo> possibly related but this is now how mine got to that state
[09-Nov-2009 10:43:44] <cgibbons> whatcha get if you run this from zendmd: for d in dmd.Monitors.Performance.localhost.getDevices(): print d.id
[09-Nov-2009 10:43:54] <cgibbons> (replace localhost with whatever collector in question you want to check)
[09-Nov-2009 10:44:29] <davetoo> will check but I do have a log message showing it fetcing configs for the only two devices assigned ot it
[09-Nov-2009 10:45:24] <davetoo> [ x.id for x in dmd.Monitors.Performance.localhost.getDevices() ] :)
[09-Nov-2009 10:45:33] <davetoo> got the two that I expected
[09-Nov-2009 10:45:38] <davetoo> and not the one with the false positives
[09-Nov-2009 10:45:50] <cgibbons> at least it's consistent
[09-Nov-2009 10:46:05] <davetoo> anyway we took a crowbar to it for now
[09-Nov-2009 10:46:13] <davetoo> deleted and re-added the device
[09-Nov-2009 10:46:45] <davetoo> but as I mentioned, for some reason the hub sent a delete message to that daemon; the hub doesn't just broadcast the deltes does it?
[09-Nov-2009 10:47:01] <davetoo> It sends them only to the assigned monitors/daemons, I'd hope
[09-Nov-2009 10:47:20] <cgibbons> it's got logic to detect if a database object is of interest to the remote subscriber in quetion
[09-Nov-2009 10:47:35] <davetoo> gotcha
[09-Nov-2009 10:47:50] <cgibbons> doesn't mean it works right :)
[09-Nov-2009 10:48:01] <davetoo> so somehow that daemon was subscribed to/observing that device
[09-Nov-2009 10:48:41] <davetoo> where's that info kept?
[09-Nov-2009 10:49:00] <davetoo> memory only?
[09-Nov-2009 10:49:14] <davetoo> love to find a way to see/dump that
[09-Nov-2009 10:50:11] <cgibbons> hrm doesn't look like we log that in zenhub directly, but there's a one-liner debug you could add
[09-Nov-2009 10:50:31] <davetoo> gimme :)
[09-Nov-2009 10:50:50] <cgibbons> check out PerformanceConfig.py at line 155
[09-Nov-2009 10:50:53] <cgibbons> the notifyAll function
[09-Nov-2009 10:51:29] <davetoo> I actually hack in a couple of new severity levels into the loggers in all my tools; one I call "TRACE" at '5'
[09-Nov-2009 10:51:30] <cgibbons> you could print out the getRelatedId, self.instance, and the device.id
[09-Nov-2009 10:51:33] <davetoo> be a good place for that
[09-Nov-2009 10:51:45] <davetoo> thanks
[09-Nov-2009 10:56:41] <davetoo> Now, to figure out where to change the default new-user configs
[09-Nov-2009 10:57:00] <davetoo> I need to change the default dashboartd layout
[09-Nov-2009 10:57:13] <davetoo> (but not lock them into one they can't change(
[09-Nov-2009 10:57:15] <davetoo> )
[09-Nov-2009 10:58:39] <jrock2004> If I install an zenpack how does it get added to a device? I checked the collector plugin and there is nothing there.
[09-Nov-2009 11:00:27] <rmatte> jrock2004: depends on how the zenpack works, not every ZenPack makes use of collector plugins
[09-Nov-2009 11:00:34] <rmatte> and of course he leaves
[09-Nov-2009 11:01:10] <mnandres> rmatte i modify but not working
[09-Nov-2009 11:01:16] <davetoo> heh
[09-Nov-2009 11:01:35] <rmatte> mnandres: you made sure to use the full OID like I said?
[09-Nov-2009 11:01:40] <rmatte> and you waited a full 3 polling cycles?
[09-Nov-2009 11:01:52] <mnandres> i modify de add source
[09-Nov-2009 11:02:07] <rmatte> you modified the OID on the data source you mean?
[09-Nov-2009 11:02:09] <mnandres> and put 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3812.0
[09-Nov-2009 11:02:26] <rmatte> if you do a test on the datasource what is the output?
[09-Nov-2009 11:02:28] <mnandres> yes
[09-Nov-2009 11:02:32] <mnandres> on data source
[09-Nov-2009 11:03:27] <mnandres> if i test
[09-Nov-2009 11:03:37] <mnandres> i dont have error
[09-Nov-2009 11:06:52] <rmatte> show me the output of the test
[09-Nov-2009 11:07:23] <mnandres> Executing command snmpwalk -cpublic -v1 172.16.40.232 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3812.0 against 172.16.40.232 DONE in 0 seconds
[09-Nov-2009 11:12:08] <mnandres> if del 3820.0 and i repeat test
[09-Nov-2009 11:12:11] <mnandres> i have
[09-Nov-2009 11:12:12] <mnandres> this
[09-Nov-2009 11:12:18] <mnandres> Executing command snmpwalk -cpublic -v1 172.16.40.232 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13 against 172.16.40.232 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3840.0 = INTEGER: 52 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3844.0 = INTEGER: 5 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3848.0 = INTEGER: 1 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3852.0 = INTEGER: 3 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13.3856.0 = INTEGER: 1 SN
[09-Nov-2009 11:12:30] <mnandres> all 38... change
[09-Nov-2009 11:29:19] <rmatte> etank: ah
[09-Nov-2009 11:30:02] <rmatte> eugh, he really need to learn about SNMP
[09-Nov-2009 11:30:13] <rmatte> it's hard to explain this sort of stuff to someone who has no SNMP experience
[09-Nov-2009 11:30:31] <rmatte> especially when their english isn't great
[09-Nov-2009 11:30:43] <etank> true
[09-Nov-2009 11:31:13] <Matias> hello, im back
[09-Nov-2009 11:31:16] <Matias> rmatte
[09-Nov-2009 11:31:17] Matias is now known as Guest87739
[09-Nov-2009 11:31:34] Guest87739 is now known as mnandres
[09-Nov-2009 11:32:08] <rmatte> hi
[09-Nov-2009 11:32:29] <rmatte> mnandres: yeh, the values are changing from device to device, what exactly do those values represent anyways?
[09-Nov-2009 11:32:35] <rmatte> mnandres: what are you trying to graph?
[09-Nov-2009 11:33:35] <mnandres> is a prube
[09-Nov-2009 11:33:49] <rmatte> a probe of what?
[09-Nov-2009 11:34:15] <mnandres> i try too understand how i get information
[09-Nov-2009 11:34:22] <mnandres> from device
[09-Nov-2009 11:34:26] <mnandres> using snmp
[09-Nov-2009 11:34:54] <mnandres> a graph with show how many copy printed
[09-Nov-2009 11:35:08] <rmatte> I'm asking you what you're trying to graph. It's obviously a tree of SNMP values which are not the same from device to device, and I have absolutely no idea why you'd be trying to graph non-consistent values
[09-Nov-2009 11:35:30] <rmatte> I see, and are you 100% positive that that's the right OID tree?
[09-Nov-2009 11:35:54] <mnandres> i take information form here
[09-Nov-2009 11:36:03] <mnandres> http://www.oidview.com/mibs/11/LaserJet-Series4000-MIB.html
[09-Nov-2009 11:36:23] <adytum-bot> Title: LaserJet-Series4000-MIB SNMP MIB (at www.oidview.com)
[09-Nov-2009 11:37:57] <rmatte> ok, so what you'd probably have to do is write a script which snmpwalks 1.3.6.1.4.1.11.2.3.9.4.2.1.1.6.5.13, adds up all of the individual values, then outputs them, and use it as a command based datasource (which is probably too complex for you to do with your current experience)
[09-Nov-2009 11:38:33] <rmatte> It would have to output the data as: "|PAGES=78"
[09-Nov-2009 11:38:36] <rmatte> or whatever
[09-Nov-2009 11:39:31] <rmatte> look at my Windows SNMP Performance Monitor ZenPack for an example of how to use command based datasources
[09-Nov-2009 11:41:26] <QubeZ> I keep getting "Unable to read processes on device zenoss, Timeout on device" then it clears a few mins later. This keeps repeating. I've looked on the forums and people have received these messages on other servers but I'm getting this warning specifically for my Zenoss device
[09-Nov-2009 11:41:28] <mnandres> make crip
[09-Nov-2009 11:41:32] <mnandres> script
[09-Nov-2009 11:41:50] <QubeZ> mnandres you from Minnesota?
[09-Nov-2009 11:41:52] <mnandres> is too much complex for me
[09-Nov-2009 11:41:56] <davetoo> hah
[09-Nov-2009 11:41:56] <mnandres> nop
[09-Nov-2009 11:42:02] <mnandres> from argentina
[09-Nov-2009 11:42:14] <QubeZ> ahh ok
[09-Nov-2009 11:42:21] <mnandres> you?
[09-Nov-2009 11:42:23] <QubeZ> so anyone have insight on these process errors I'm getting?
[09-Nov-2009 11:42:41] <QubeZ> mnandres just moved to Florida from Minnesota. Noticed your "mn" in your nickname plus the *purple* in your irc ID
[09-Nov-2009 11:42:49] <QubeZ> figured you were a vikings fan or something hehe
[09-Nov-2009 11:44:41] mnandres is now known as Matias
[09-Nov-2009 11:44:54] Matias is now known as mandres
[09-Nov-2009 11:45:00] <davetoo> Eichmann
[09-Nov-2009 11:45:16] <mandres> now?
[09-Nov-2009 11:45:32] <mandres> QubeZ: now?
[09-Nov-2009 11:46:12] <QubeZ> now what?
[09-Nov-2009 11:46:40] <mandres> dont worry
[09-Nov-2009 11:57:58] <rmatte> QubeZ: zenprocess is really inefficient and from time to time you'll see that message, I get it too... is it only happening on one specific device?
[09-Nov-2009 11:58:28] <mandres> qubez quit
[09-Nov-2009 12:00:11] <rmatte> just noticed
[09-Nov-2009 12:11:24] <rmatte> Finally finished my ticket creation daemon for our ticketing system:
[09-Nov-2009 12:11:26] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/f557bdab8
[09-Nov-2009 12:11:36] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[09-Nov-2009 12:11:42] <rmatte> that's like a week's worth of research and development
[09-Nov-2009 12:13:10] <davetoo> When is your SEC plugin coming out? :)
[09-Nov-2009 12:13:39] <rmatte> haha
[09-Nov-2009 12:13:42] <davetoo> I'm getting ready to start thinking about syslog-ng and filtering, again.
[09-Nov-2009 12:13:50] <rmatte> that's somewhere near the end of the list
[09-Nov-2009 12:14:01] <davetoo> I may use m4 to build filters this time
[09-Nov-2009 12:14:26] <rmatte> yeh, but that's only good for syslogs
[09-Nov-2009 12:14:31] <davetoo> I'm sure there are some things better done in syslog-ng, and some better accomplished in SEC
[09-Nov-2009 12:14:32] <rmatte> how are you going to process other events?
[09-Nov-2009 12:14:44] <davetoo> this is only phase 1
[09-Nov-2009 12:14:57] <davetoo> phase 2 is to wait for your plugin :)
[09-Nov-2009 12:14:58] <rmatte> our SEC layer is going to have a CMDB with device relations backing it
[09-Nov-2009 12:15:04] <rmatte> so it's going to be quite advanced
[09-Nov-2009 12:15:16] <davetoo> nifty
[09-Nov-2009 12:15:37] <rmatte> I don't think we'll actually be able to release it as a "plugin" since it'll be based on a custom CMDB
[09-Nov-2009 12:15:48] <rmatte> but I can certainly pass on some of the more pertinent code
[09-Nov-2009 12:16:08] <rmatte> but that's quite a whiles away
[09-Nov-2009 12:29:40] <rmatte> well, time to test this daemon out and see if I can break it
[09-Nov-2009 12:33:06] <mandres> rmatte i try too understand your zenpack
[09-Nov-2009 12:33:11] <mandres> but i cant
[09-Nov-2009 12:33:22] <mandres> is too much for mi
[09-Nov-2009 12:36:39] <rmatte> then you're kind of out of luck for what you're trying to do
[09-Nov-2009 12:37:04] <rmatte> the SNMP OIDs are never going to be the same for that, so you need to write a script and use it with Zenoss or you won't be able to graph what you're hoping to graph
[09-Nov-2009 12:37:29] <mandres> im searching manul
[09-Nov-2009 12:37:31] <mandres> manual
[09-Nov-2009 12:37:51] <mandres> too understand how work and how use result
[09-Nov-2009 12:37:53] <rmatte> there's nothing in the manual that can help you with this...
[09-Nov-2009 12:38:04] <rmatte> that type of data needs to be collected by a script or a collector plugin
[09-Nov-2009 12:38:09] <rmatte> those are the only ways to do it
[09-Nov-2009 12:38:15] <mandres> and manual for snmp
[09-Nov-2009 12:45:19] <NewBee1> What is the best install centos. RPM or Stack installer? and why
[09-Nov-2009 12:46:44] <Troubadix09> rmatte: for newbee ... vmware-appliance?! ;-)
[09-Nov-2009 12:47:12] <mandres> i have vmware
[09-Nov-2009 12:47:15] <NewBee1> would be if they was a vmware compy. they are all hyper-v
[09-Nov-2009 12:47:18] <mandres> and work fine
[09-Nov-2009 12:47:47] <NewBee1> anyone have luck installing the vmware VHD on hyper-v?
[09-Nov-2009 12:48:16] <Troubadix09> NewBee: there is a VMWare Appliance with installed Zenoss from rpath on the Zenoss-download-Site
[09-Nov-2009 12:48:24] <rmatte> NewBee1: RPM install on CentOS, though I'm a huge fan of the stack installer personally
[09-Nov-2009 12:48:47] <rmatte> you could try the stack installer
[09-Nov-2009 12:48:54] <NewBee1> why do you like the stacks?
[09-Nov-2009 12:49:18] <rmatte> because it's braindead simple, installs everything you need and when you want to upgrade you just run the newer stack installer and it performs a flawless update
[09-Nov-2009 12:49:21] <rmatte> it's just less hassle
[09-Nov-2009 12:49:26] <rmatte> but the RPMs are probably similar
[09-Nov-2009 12:49:32] <rmatte> I've just never tried them
[09-Nov-2009 12:52:59] <Troubadix09> NewBee1: The VMware-Appliance is good for Evaluation, Demo and destroying with own Test ;-)
[09-Nov-2009 12:53:30] <Troubadix09> Test=Tests
[09-Nov-2009 12:54:02] <rmatte> yeh, I would never use the VM appliance for production
[09-Nov-2009 12:54:14] <NewBee1> ya i also though that the stack was slower.
[09-Nov-2009 12:54:23] <rmatte> slower?
[09-Nov-2009 12:54:30] <rmatte> to install, you mean?
[09-Nov-2009 12:54:52] <rmatte> it's probably a little slower but it's honestly not bad
[09-Nov-2009 12:54:54] <jrock2004> I am running Apache/MySQL zenpack. I looked at my collector plugins and I do not see anything for apache or mysql. I keep getting events for cannot connect to MySQL server and an apache even for server status
[09-Nov-2009 12:55:01] <Troubadix09> rmatte: But it work :)
[09-Nov-2009 12:55:05] <NewBee1> Yes slower. if i recall it didn't use the mysql database very will.
[09-Nov-2009 12:55:07] <rmatte> it's not slower performancewise, there's no difference
[09-Nov-2009 12:55:10] <jrock2004> I have waited for 2 hours and I still am getting them
[09-Nov-2009 12:55:37] <rmatte> NewBee1: I have 9 Zenoss production boxes running off the stack installer and the performance is perfectly fine
[09-Nov-2009 12:55:54] <rmatte> NewBee1: If there's any bottleneck for the performance it's Zope, certainly not MySQL
[09-Nov-2009 12:56:05] <Troubadix09> rmatte: with your own tuning or without?
[09-Nov-2009 12:56:23] <rmatte> I did minor tuning, but I didn't touch MySQL at all, it's stock from the stack installer
[09-Nov-2009 12:56:45] <rmatte> I did this: docs/DOC-2521
[09-Nov-2009 12:56:52] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - How to tweak zenoss (at community.zenoss.org)
[09-Nov-2009 12:56:53] <rmatte> to improve zope and daemon performance
[09-Nov-2009 12:56:53] <NewBee1> what did you tune?
[09-Nov-2009 12:57:05] <rmatte> since I have some pretty beefy boxes
[09-Nov-2009 12:57:26] <rmatte> I set workers to 4 for zenhub though, not 8
[09-Nov-2009 12:57:40] <rmatte> and I didn't do any of the MySQL changes
[09-Nov-2009 12:57:50] <rmatte> though I'm sure those tweaks would help, I just don't find that they are necessary
[09-Nov-2009 12:57:55] <krphop> zen is shit
[09-Nov-2009 12:58:10] <rmatte> ?
[09-Nov-2009 12:58:19] <rmatte> krphop: as opposed to what?
[09-Nov-2009 12:58:20] <krphop> its shit
[09-Nov-2009 12:58:34] <krphop> depending on what you need, kvm, virtual box, and OpenVZ
[09-Nov-2009 12:58:57] <cwj> you mean xen
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:03] <rmatte> yeh, you mean xen
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:04] <rmatte> not zen
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:10] <rmatte> I was like "wtf is he talking about?"
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:11] <krphop> heh,
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:17] * krphop goes to get coffee
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:23] <rmatte> yeh, xen, that's Citrix's baby
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:24] <NewBee1> LOL worng room for that mix up. :-D
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:27] <cwj> heheh
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:30] <rmatte> yeh, really
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:39] <cwj> well its citrix's adopted baby
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:45] <rmatte> ESXi is always nice
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:52] <krphop> oh wow, yeah even the wrong channel
[09-Nov-2009 12:59:53] <krphop> lol
[09-Nov-2009 13:00:06] <cwj> i am somewhat pleased with vSphere 4
[09-Nov-2009 13:00:38] <rmatte> yeah, we're running vSphere 4 here and it's been quite good
[09-Nov-2009 13:08:24] <NewBee1> WOW 2.5 events looks nice.
[09-Nov-2009 13:08:43] <NewBee1> is 2.5 read for production?
[09-Nov-2009 13:09:29] <mrayzenoss> yeah, it's ready with a couple of these patches: http://tr.im/trac_2_5_1
[09-Nov-2009 13:13:39] <NewBee1> I'm sorry to ask again. what is the best way to patch a centos RPM install.
[09-Nov-2009 13:14:52] <mrayzenoss> so if you're looking at a ticket and you see in the comments something along the lines of "Backporting http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/changeset/15588 to the 2.5.x branch."
[09-Nov-2009 13:15:02] <mrayzenoss> you'll use 'zenpatch 155588'
[09-Nov-2009 13:15:13] <mrayzenoss> as the zenoss user from your $ZENHOME directory
[09-Nov-2009 13:15:21] <NewBee1> got it thank you
[09-Nov-2009 13:15:26] <mrayzenoss> where 15588 is the number of the patch from SVN
[09-Nov-2009 13:15:41] <mrayzenoss> you'll usually want to stop Zenoss and restart after applying the patch
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:05] <rmatte> you don't even have to do it in the $ZENHOME directory
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:06] <mrayzenoss> that URL is the list of tickets currently targeted at the next maintenance release of Zenoss 2.5.X, the current stable branch
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:10] <rmatte> doesn't matter where you run zenpatch from
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:18] <mrayzenoss> guess it's just a habit
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:21] <rmatte> hehe
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:42] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: I finally finished my ticket creation daemon :)
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:47] <mrayzenoss> saw that
[09-Nov-2009 13:16:49] <mrayzenoss> cool
[09-Nov-2009 13:17:02] <rmatte> I'll probably still have to add a few things but it's pretty much done
[09-Nov-2009 13:17:09] <rmatte> can't wait to get it out to our prod boxes
[09-Nov-2009 13:18:49] <jrock2004> rmatte: do you hve 2.5 in prod anywhere or are you statying with 2.4
[09-Nov-2009 13:19:35] <rmatte> jrock2004: all our prod stuff is 2.4.5 with some patches: docs/DOC-4434
[09-Nov-2009 13:19:42] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Post-2.4.5 Patches (at community.zenoss.org)
[09-Nov-2009 13:19:51] <rmatte> I'm waiting for some stuff to get fixed in 2.5 before I switch to that for prod
[09-Nov-2009 13:22:34] <jrock2004> Yeah I think the issues I was having earlier was due to running 2.5
[09-Nov-2009 13:22:47] <jrock2004> So maybe I will switch back to 2.4.5 and apply those patches
[09-Nov-2009 13:23:21] <rmatte> what issues?
[09-Nov-2009 13:23:59] <jrock2004> It is applying the apache and mysql zenpacks I installed to devices that it should not
[09-Nov-2009 13:24:09] <jrock2004> It might be more of an issue on the zenpack then zenoss
[09-Nov-2009 13:25:23] <jrock2004> I am getting errors from /App/Apache
[09-Nov-2009 13:25:29] <jrock2004> and /App/Mysql
[09-Nov-2009 13:25:56] <jrock2004> Not all my linux devices run apache and mysql
[09-Nov-2009 13:27:07] <rmatte> well, you probably just need to unbind it from the /Server/Linux group and then selectively bind it to what you need it on
[09-Nov-2009 13:27:16] <rmatte> same goes for collector plugins
[09-Nov-2009 13:27:32] <rmatte> I doubt that had anything to do with 2.5
[09-Nov-2009 13:27:35] <rmatte> but it's possible
[09-Nov-2009 13:27:43] <jrock2004> well the apache and mysql zenpack does not come with collector plugins just templates
[09-Nov-2009 13:27:53] <rmatte> ah
[09-Nov-2009 13:28:15] <rmatte> then yeh, it's probably bound to the actual device group
[09-Nov-2009 13:28:17] <jrock2004> so I removed the templates from the device itself and it still failes
[09-Nov-2009 13:28:27] <rmatte> you'd have to unbind it from the group and then selectively bind it to what you need it on
[09-Nov-2009 13:28:50] <rmatte> it's failing on modelling though you said
[09-Nov-2009 13:28:59] <rmatte> and templates aren't used when modelling, only collector plugins
[09-Nov-2009 13:29:19] <jrock2004> well here is a structure question
[09-Nov-2009 13:29:37] <jrock2004> I put all my linux boxes under system/linux
[09-Nov-2009 13:30:00] <jrock2004> should I create structure under that or is that pretty much how you do it
[09-Nov-2009 13:32:37] <rmatte> that's pretty much how you do it
[09-Nov-2009 13:32:46] <rmatte> but if you wanted you could create structure under it
[09-Nov-2009 13:32:52] <rmatte> for different types of linux servers
[09-Nov-2009 13:33:04] <rmatte> that way you'd just be able to drop them in the appropriate group depending on what they are
[09-Nov-2009 13:33:12] <rmatte> and you wouldn't have to bind templates to each individual device
[09-Nov-2009 13:33:18] <rmatte> it really depends on how you want to do it
[09-Nov-2009 13:35:25] <jrock2004> ok
[09-Nov-2009 13:41:45] <jrock2004> Does the admin doc show you the structure for locations? It is address city, state zipcode
[09-Nov-2009 13:41:49] <jrock2004> ?
[09-Nov-2009 13:42:02] <mrayzenoss> it's whatever Google Maps will take
[09-Nov-2009 13:42:11] <mrayzenoss> so you can do whatever you want for Addresses
[09-Nov-2009 13:42:17] <mrayzenoss> err, Locations
[09-Nov-2009 13:42:35] <mrayzenoss> I use /Austin and /Annapolis
[09-Nov-2009 13:42:55] <jrock2004> and in Austin do you have sub locations in them?
[09-Nov-2009 13:43:06] <mrayzenoss> nope, but I could if I needed
[09-Nov-2009 13:43:25] <rmatte> I just do full addresses right at the top, since I need to be able to show a map with every location on it
[09-Nov-2009 13:43:35] <jrock2004> Then on the google map it would shouly you all the locations and sub locations?
[09-Nov-2009 13:43:48] <rmatte> you only see the locations at the level that you're looking at
[09-Nov-2009 13:43:54] <mrayzenoss> just the top-level, not the sub locations
[09-Nov-2009 13:43:55] <rmatte> hence why I don't do levels when it comes to locations
[09-Nov-2009 13:44:21] <mrayzenoss> you can get a nice map like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zenoss/2870405569/
[09-Nov-2009 13:44:24] <jrock2004> ok so make a top level location for each building you want
[09-Nov-2009 13:44:28] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss in France on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com)
[09-Nov-2009 13:44:59] <rmatte> jrock2004: that's how I do it
[09-Nov-2009 13:45:10] <jrock2004> I think I will follow you
[09-Nov-2009 13:45:13] <rmatte> jrock2004: I name them by the full address
[09-Nov-2009 13:45:25] <rmatte> jrock2004: Here's one of our maps for example: http://dmon.org/graphics/zenoss/gen2.png
[09-Nov-2009 13:45:46] <rmatte> and another: http://dmon.org/graphics/zenoss/arm.png
[09-Nov-2009 13:46:25] <mrayzenoss> "Northeast Canada's NOC Solution!"
[09-Nov-2009 13:46:35] <rmatte> ?
[09-Nov-2009 13:46:53] <mrayzenoss> just a caption for the second one :)
[09-Nov-2009 13:46:58] <rmatte> hehe
[09-Nov-2009 13:47:02] <mrayzenoss> I guess that's just East Canada
[09-Nov-2009 13:47:28] <rmatte> looks more like maritime thermonuclear war
[09-Nov-2009 13:47:53] <rmatte> that's lower eastern canada
[09-Nov-2009 13:47:55] <mrayzenoss> I blame the Newfies
[09-Nov-2009 13:48:11] <rmatte> newfoundland, nova scotia, and new brunswick
[09-Nov-2009 13:48:25] <rmatte> we actually have a newfy who works here hehe
[09-Nov-2009 13:48:40] <mrayzenoss> the nickname is about all I know about Newfoundland
[09-Nov-2009 13:48:47] * mrayzenoss is a graduate of US public schools
[09-Nov-2009 13:48:53] <rmatte> hehe
[09-Nov-2009 13:49:17] <ckrough> we're going to Canada for some French Fries and gravy, sir
[09-Nov-2009 13:49:27] <rmatte> Poutine
[09-Nov-2009 13:49:37] <ckrough> almost made it
[09-Nov-2009 13:49:37] <rmatte> actually, I think I'll go get some of that for lunch right now
[09-Nov-2009 13:49:48] <jrock2004> thanks rmatte
[09-Nov-2009 13:49:56] <rmatte> jrock2004: np
[09-Nov-2009 13:50:51] <rmatte> super troopers is the best movie ever
[09-Nov-2009 13:51:16] <rmatte> omg, they are apparently making a second one
[09-Nov-2009 13:51:20] <rmatte> due out in 2011
[09-Nov-2009 13:51:33] <mrayzenoss> I thought they already did a straight to video sequel
[09-Nov-2009 13:51:37] <jrock2004> that was a pretty funny movie
[09-Nov-2009 13:51:50] <mrayzenoss> oh wait, that was Starship Troopers
[09-Nov-2009 13:51:54] <rmatte> not according to this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0859635/
[09-Nov-2009 13:52:01] <adytum-bot> Title: Super Troopers 2 (2011) (at www.imdb.com)
[09-Nov-2009 13:52:08] <rmatte> yeh, the sequel to starship troopers was garbage
[09-Nov-2009 13:52:42] <mrayzenoss> wow, there was a third one too
[09-Nov-2009 13:52:57] <rmatte> yeh, unfortunately
[09-Nov-2009 13:53:03] <rmatte> the third was worse than the second
[09-Nov-2009 13:53:05] <rmatte> lol
[09-Nov-2009 13:54:40] <mrayzenoss> hmm… I feel like playing Starcraft now for some reason
[09-Nov-2009 13:59:10] <mrayzenoss> ok, question for product managemant… after Cisco and Juniper… what's the most popular network hardware vendor?
[09-Nov-2009 13:59:18] <mrayzenoss> HP… and then who?
[09-Nov-2009 13:59:39] <mrayzenoss> I figure those 3 are about 90%, any other opinions (or even better, facts)?
[09-Nov-2009 14:00:15] <rmatte> hehe
[09-Nov-2009 14:00:32] <rmatte> hmmm, that's a good question
[09-Nov-2009 14:01:01] <mrayzenoss> he was asking about 3com, I thought they were mostly consumer stuff but apparently I'm wrong (looking at their website)
[09-Nov-2009 14:01:16] <rmatte> 3com is mostly consumer and they are dying out
[09-Nov-2009 14:01:30] <rmatte> Linksys is way more popular than 3com for consumer stuff, but they are owned by Cisco
[09-Nov-2009 14:01:47] <rmatte> maybe SMC
[09-Nov-2009 14:01:50] <rmatte> or Fortinet
[09-Nov-2009 14:02:01] <jb> netgear for small shops
[09-Nov-2009 14:03:00] <rmatte> I would say Nortel but they are bankrupt
[09-Nov-2009 14:03:05] <rmatte> so they are out of the picture
[09-Nov-2009 14:05:20] <kobalt> so if something messed up with the patches and I wanted to roll back to default with no patches (2.5.0 Centos RPM install) is there a easy way to do that
[09-Nov-2009 14:05:47] <rmatte> kobalt: you'd have to reinstall to 2.5
[09-Nov-2009 14:05:59] <rmatte> kobalt: there's no easy way to just roll all patches back
[09-Nov-2009 14:06:16] <kobalt> rmatte: so I tried that and it gave me a error
[09-Nov-2009 14:06:18] <mrayzenoss> you should have a list of all the patches you've applied on the filesystem...
[09-Nov-2009 14:07:03] <kobalt> mrayzenoss: where is that list since I was a bad admin and didnt write them down lol
[09-Nov-2009 14:07:26] <mrayzenoss> kobalt: $ZENHOME/Products
[09-Nov-2009 14:07:44] <mrayzenoss> you'll see a list like "r15681.patch r15683.patch"
[09-Nov-2009 14:08:16] <mrayzenoss> if you're handy with wget and patch, you should be able to reverse those patches
[09-Nov-2009 14:08:36] <kobalt> and to roll them back? I have not got zenpatch XXXXXX -R
[09-Nov-2009 14:08:51] <kobalt> err tried and it does not
[09-Nov-2009 14:11:22] <mrayzenoss> is -R a working flag? I hadn't seen that
[09-Nov-2009 14:11:50] <kobalt> I thought I had read it somewhere I guess not
[09-Nov-2009 14:12:16] <kobalt> so If I do zenpatch xxxxx and it has it installed it will prompt me to remove the patch?
[09-Nov-2009 14:13:23] <mrayzenoss> hmm… apparently it does
[09-Nov-2009 14:13:38] <mrayzenoss> I guess you could do that with all the patches listed in Products/
[09-Nov-2009 14:13:42] <mrayzenoss> in reverse order
[09-Nov-2009 14:13:58] <mrayzenoss> interesting, I learned 2 things about zenpatch today :)
[09-Nov-2009 14:15:51] <aclark> mrayzenoss! community day was *awesome* thank you guys
[09-Nov-2009 14:16:35] <mrayzenoss> glad you enjoyed it, wish I could have made it
[09-Nov-2009 14:21:16] <jrock2004> where is the best place to troubleshoot getting timeout on snmpwalk command?
[09-Nov-2009 14:21:23] <rmatte> I'll have to save out and come out to at least 1 Zenoss event
[09-Nov-2009 14:21:31] <rmatte> s/save out/save up
[09-Nov-2009 14:21:52] <mrayzenoss> the next event is SCALE in Feb
[09-Nov-2009 14:21:57] <mrayzenoss> possibly Pycon
[09-Nov-2009 14:23:51] <jrock2004> why would my snmp be starting up and showing 127.0.0.1
[09-Nov-2009 14:24:17] <jrock2004> do I have to add something to my snmpd.conf to not show that localhost address
[09-Nov-2009 14:27:52] <rmatte> what do you mean that it's showing that
[09-Nov-2009 14:27:55] <rmatte> where are you seeing it?
[09-Nov-2009 14:28:25] <jrock2004> I found it. I have to edit the /etc/default/snmpd file and remove the 127.0.0.1
[09-Nov-2009 14:28:31] <rmatte> ah
[09-Nov-2009 14:28:40] <jrock2004> snmpd was starting to allow only connections on localhost
[09-Nov-2009 14:29:00] <aclark> mrayzenoss: now that i think about it i should have submitted a Zenoss talk to PyCon, unfortunately I don't know enough about it yet ;-)
[09-Nov-2009 14:29:17] * aclark 's Plone talk got cut
[09-Nov-2009 14:29:33] <kobalt> yay fixed it lol
[09-Nov-2009 14:29:52] <mrayzenoss> yeah, Ian had an ExtJS/Zope talk that got cut too
[09-Nov-2009 14:34:19] <jrock2004> Have you guys heard of people complaining that remodeling a device is taking some time to do?
[09-Nov-2009 14:34:29] <jrock2004> At least in 2.5
[09-Nov-2009 14:34:48] <jrock2004> In 2.4 it was faster but now it is taking a minute or 2 to remodel a device
[09-Nov-2009 14:35:08] <mrayzenoss> I haven't heard that… maybe I missed that on the forums
[09-Nov-2009 14:36:27] <jrock2004> Scan time: 176.82 seconds
[09-Nov-2009 14:36:29] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: whenever you post about your ticket script, mention it to this guy will ya? message/41826#41826
[09-Nov-2009 14:36:36] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Menu Item action: Selecting Multiple... (at community.zenoss.org)
[09-Nov-2009 14:37:04] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: will do
[09-Nov-2009 14:37:28] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: althought it looks like he's actually altering the event console, which is not what we did
[09-Nov-2009 14:39:04] <mrayzenoss> yeah, I'm trying to direct him away from that idea and get him into doing it via scripting
[09-Nov-2009 14:39:36] <jb> matt.. whats up with the funky characters?
[09-Nov-2009 14:39:42] <mrayzenoss> where?
[09-Nov-2009 14:39:43] <jb> i don't think its my terminal
[09-Nov-2009 14:39:50] <jb> <@mrayzenoss:#zenoss> I haven't heard &that
[09-Nov-2009 14:39:53] <mdereus> He's on a Mac. ;)
[09-Nov-2009 14:40:06] <mrayzenoss> only for the last year and a half
[09-Nov-2009 14:40:15] <jb> it just started a couple of weeks ago
[09-Nov-2009 14:40:40] <mrayzenoss> hmm… I'm on a beta of Adium
[09-Nov-2009 14:40:47] <jb> there it is again
[09-Nov-2009 14:40:50] <jb> <@mrayzenoss> & I'm on a beta of Adiumhmm
[09-Nov-2009 14:41:33] <jrock2004> Mac's rule :)
[09-Nov-2009 14:42:07] <jb> http://thunder.jbdesign.net/~jbaird/zenoss/matt.jpg
[09-Nov-2009 14:42:37] <mrayzenoss> is it just me?
[09-Nov-2009 14:42:41] <jb> yep
[09-Nov-2009 14:42:49] <jb> nobody else sees this?
[09-Nov-2009 14:42:58] <mrayzenoss> first I've heard of it
[09-Nov-2009 14:43:44] <mdereus> <mrayzenoss> hmm… I'm on a beta of Adium
[09-Nov-2009 14:43:46] <mdereus> that's what I see
[09-Nov-2009 14:43:50] <jb> yep
[09-Nov-2009 14:46:26] <mrayzenoss> I can't find anything weird on my side… standard font, no encodings that I can find
[09-Nov-2009 14:46:37] <jb> there it is again :)
[09-Nov-2009 14:48:23] <mrayzenoss> making me all self conscious… I guess I'll have to talk less :p
[09-Nov-2009 14:51:48] <kobalt> looks find in xchat2
[09-Nov-2009 14:52:07] <jrock2004> looks fine in colloquy as well
[09-Nov-2009 14:52:09] <rmatte> There, I responded: message/41827#41827
[09-Nov-2009 14:52:15] <mrayzenoss> saw that, thanks
[09-Nov-2009 14:52:15] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Menu Item action: Selecting Multiple... (at community.zenoss.org)
[09-Nov-2009 14:52:27] <mrayzenoss> BTW, I added the ability to use images in forum posts over the weekend
[09-Nov-2009 14:52:42] <mrayzenoss> someone was asking for it late Friday
[09-Nov-2009 14:52:52] <rmatte> mdereus: actually, I see those as question marks surrounded by a white diamond shape
[09-Nov-2009 14:55:40] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=nz0sub&s=4
[09-Nov-2009 14:55:49] <rmatte> apparently it's just us console client users who are seeing it
[09-Nov-2009 14:55:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting (at tinypic.com)
[09-Nov-2009 14:56:07] <jrock2004> when modeling one of my devices, once done getting this issue up top under Discover Devices http://pastebin.ca/1663945
[09-Nov-2009 14:56:14] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Anonymous - post number 1663945 (at pastebin.ca)
[09-Nov-2009 14:57:54] <rmatte> jrock2004: you upgraded to 2.5 recently?
[09-Nov-2009 14:58:20] <jrock2004> rmatte: I did but what I did was actually uninstalled it and installed the package for 2.5 directly
[09-Nov-2009 14:59:07] <jrock2004> when I uninstalled I renamed the zenoss directory to something else before install 2.5
[09-Nov-2009 14:59:28] <jrock2004> was that a mistake?
[09-Nov-2009 14:59:29] <rmatte> hmmm
[09-Nov-2009 14:59:43] <rmatte> well, something is not installed right lol
[09-Nov-2009 14:59:51] <rmatte> were you starting from scratch?
[09-Nov-2009 14:59:57] <jrock2004> I was trying to
[09-Nov-2009 15:00:06] <rmatte> you didn't install the WMI Data Source 1.1 ZenPack did you?
[09-Nov-2009 15:00:09] <jrock2004> I did not get far should I try reinstall again
[09-Nov-2009 15:00:22] <jrock2004> when I went the upgrade path or regular install no
[09-Nov-2009 15:00:36] <rmatte> try installing it again
[09-Nov-2009 15:00:42] <rmatte> do a proper uninstall and install
[09-Nov-2009 15:00:58] <jrock2004> ok do I need to dump the db before I uninstall?
[09-Nov-2009 15:02:44] <rmatte> if you want to save stuff then yeh
[09-Nov-2009 15:02:57] <jrock2004> no at this point no
[09-Nov-2009 15:03:07] <rmatte> ok, just kill it all then
[09-Nov-2009 15:04:05] <jrock2004> I am reading a helpto and it says I need to delete the zenoss mysql db. Is this correct?
[09-Nov-2009 15:04:19] <rmatte> yeh
[09-Nov-2009 15:04:23] <rmatte> it should create a new one
[09-Nov-2009 15:04:34] <rmatte> though I've never done an RPM install, I prefer stack
[09-Nov-2009 15:04:48] <jrock2004> I did the stack with the .deb
[09-Nov-2009 15:05:11] <rmatte> then it should remove the MySQL db when you run the uninstall script
[09-Nov-2009 15:05:16] <rmatte> do /usr/local/zenoss/uninstall
[09-Nov-2009 15:05:21] <rmatte> then delete /usr/local/zenoss
[09-Nov-2009 15:05:26] <rmatte> then run the stack installer again
[09-Nov-2009 15:05:56] <jrock2004> there is no uninstall
[09-Nov-2009 15:05:56] <rmatte> I don't bother with the .deb personally
[09-Nov-2009 15:06:08] <rmatte> ah, then do apt-get remove zenoss or whatever
[09-Nov-2009 15:08:38] <jrock2004> ok so I did that and removed the zenoss dir
[09-Nov-2009 15:08:58] * jrock2004 will install zenoss-stack_2.5.0_x64.deb
[09-Nov-2009 15:09:39] <kobalt> odd question is there any setting to default the event browser to, aka click on event console, and have it default to only showing new
[09-Nov-2009 15:09:43] <kobalt> in 2.5
[09-Nov-2009 15:13:40] <rmatte> kobalt: not globally, but per user yes
[09-Nov-2009 15:14:41] <rmatte> kobalt: you configure what you want to see as the default, then go to the configure menu and click "Save this configuration"
[09-Nov-2009 15:14:46] <jrock2004> Do you get better information from snmp or ssh?
[09-Nov-2009 15:15:03] <rmatte> kobalt: if you want to restore it to defaults you go to the config menu and select "Restore defaults"
[09-Nov-2009 15:15:11] <rmatte> jrock2004: depends on what kind of info you want to collect
[09-Nov-2009 15:15:27] <rmatte> jrock2004: it is possible to do a mixture of both
[09-Nov-2009 15:16:14] <jrock2004> Well I am curious cause usually when I add a device I add a mix of both and am wondering if that is a mistake
[09-Nov-2009 15:16:37] <rmatte> jrock2004: nah, you can mix stuff as long as they aren't causing issues
[09-Nov-2009 15:17:37] <jrock2004> now once I install is there anything I should check before I start adding devices?
[09-Nov-2009 15:17:51] <rmatte> eugh, they removed the option to hide filters
[09-Nov-2009 15:18:03] <rmatte> jrock2004: just make sure all of the daemons are running
[09-Nov-2009 15:18:09] <rmatte> jrock2004: that's about it
[09-Nov-2009 15:18:13] <kobalt> rmatte: cool that works
[09-Nov-2009 15:19:08] <jrock2004> rmatte: all green circles so that should be good
[09-Nov-2009 15:19:48] <kobalt> I did find that if you tell it not to show anything it does not like it I accidently clicked off new and ack and it threw an error
[09-Nov-2009 15:20:11] <rmatte> jrock2004: more foolproof way is to execute "zenoss status" as zenoss user
[09-Nov-2009 15:20:37] <rmatte> kobalt: sounds like a bug
[09-Nov-2009 15:21:35] <kobalt> rmatte: yeah not a huge one but yeah it should just give a blank console
[09-Nov-2009 15:21:50] <rmatte> yup
[09-Nov-2009 15:21:59] <rmatte> well, what kind of "error" is it throwing?
[09-Nov-2009 15:22:08] <kobalt> Error connecting to server
[09-Nov-2009 15:22:13] <rmatte> ah
[09-Nov-2009 15:22:14] <kobalt> in a message box
[09-Nov-2009 15:24:56] <rmatte> oh well
[09-Nov-2009 15:25:04] <rmatte> that's not super bad, but you could log it as a bug in Trac
[09-Nov-2009 15:26:35] <jrock2004> rmatte: I figured out which plugin is slowing me down in zenoss. Its the portscan one
[09-Nov-2009 15:27:26] <rmatte> ah
[09-Nov-2009 15:27:36] <rmatte> well, portscans do take a while obviously
[09-Nov-2009 15:34:42] <jrock2004> well in 2.4 it was not taking that long but maybe it did and I did not notice it
[09-Nov-2009 15:35:40] <rmatte> models vary in speed from device to device
[09-Nov-2009 15:35:48] <rmatte> if a device is unreachable modelling takes absolutely forever
[09-Nov-2009 15:35:52] <rmatte> for instance
[09-Nov-2009 15:35:58] <rmatte> depends on the state of the device
[09-Nov-2009 15:36:29] <rmatte> man, Google is really doing it up with this 40th anniversary of Sesame Street
[09-Nov-2009 15:36:29] <rmatte> lol
[09-Nov-2009 15:36:57] <kisielk> man, clearing out events takes a long time if you can't use the Event Console :/
[09-Nov-2009 15:37:28] <rmatte> define "clearing out events"
[09-Nov-2009 15:37:54] <kisielk> moving to history, mass acknowledge
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:03] <rmatte> well, how are you doing it?
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:05] <kisielk> if you don't have a global event console, and have to go through like 100 machines, it takes forever
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:06] <rmatte> it should be no slower
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:13] <kisielk> well, going to each machine's event console
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:13] <rmatte> oh
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:19] <rmatte> you're doing it on multiple machines
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:23] <kisielk> yeah
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:24] <rmatte> ah
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:36] <rmatte> are you just moving them all to history or only certain ones?
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:49] <kisielk> well, the ones I don't really care about
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:55] <rmatte> I see
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:57] <kisielk> I posted a thread to the forum about my broken global event console
[09-Nov-2009 15:38:59] <kisielk> but so far no fix
[09-Nov-2009 15:39:16] <rmatte> when did it break?
[09-Nov-2009 15:39:26] <kisielk> some time after the 2.5 upgrade
[09-Nov-2009 15:39:29] <kisielk> it worked for the first while
[09-Nov-2009 15:39:34] <kisielk> but no longer works
[09-Nov-2009 15:39:35] <rmatte> hmmm
[09-Nov-2009 15:39:45] <rmatte> that sucks
[09-Nov-2009 15:39:56] <kisielk> really not pleased with how our Zenoss is running right now
[09-Nov-2009 15:40:07] <kisielk> I mean, it still works for the most part, but is a real bitch to deal with
[09-Nov-2009 15:42:03] <rmatte> sounds like it
[09-Nov-2009 15:42:08] <rmatte> all our stuff is running mint
[09-Nov-2009 15:42:17] <rmatte> (for once)
[09-Nov-2009 15:42:29] <rmatte> so I shall not be doing any upgrades until I am totally satisfied with 2.5
[09-Nov-2009 15:42:49] <jrock2004> rmatte: Is that not when they release 2.6 :)
[09-Nov-2009 15:46:30] <NewBee1> if i wanted to create a graph of the filesystem that showed MB not Blocks. what would i do? I'm trying to put this in the RPN feid
[09-Nov-2009 15:46:30] <NewBee1> ${here/usedBlocks},${here/zFileSystemSizeOffset},*
[09-Nov-2009 15:46:34] <rmatte> jrock2004: nah
[09-Nov-2009 15:46:41] <rmatte> jrock2004: probably around 2.5.3 or something
[09-Nov-2009 15:48:59] <rmatte> NewBee1: not sure, never tried that
[09-Nov-2009 15:49:24] <rmatte> NewBee1: although it looks like you're probably missing something there, since the size offset isn't the same thing as units
[09-Nov-2009 15:49:39] <rmatte> you need to factor the block size in somehow
[09-Nov-2009 15:50:02] <NewBee1> I thought that was the block size
[09-Nov-2009 15:50:21] <rmatte> not happy with just displaying it as a percentage?
[09-Nov-2009 15:50:23] <rmatte> no
[09-Nov-2009 15:50:40] <rmatte> zFileSystemSizeOffset is something that's used because of the differences between windows and Linux filesystems
[09-Nov-2009 15:51:07] <NewBee1> well I'm still working on getting thresholds for 500MB ect. not 90%...
[09-Nov-2009 15:51:11] <rmatte> without that you could have Zenoss showing a disk at 95% utilization while meanwhile it's full
[09-Nov-2009 15:51:23] <rmatte> as the other 5% is used up by the filesystem but not taken in to account by df
[09-Nov-2009 15:51:29] <NewBee1> aaah right.
[09-Nov-2009 15:51:30] <NewBee1> ok
[09-Nov-2009 15:52:04] <NewBee1> where can i get the totalblock vars?
[09-Nov-2009 15:52:17] <NewBee1> is it in one ofthe python files?
[09-Nov-2009 15:52:19] <rmatte> ${here/getTotalBlocks}
[09-Nov-2009 15:52:54] <rmatte> not sure about blocksize though
[09-Nov-2009 15:55:23] <rmatte> block size is probably 4096 or something
[09-Nov-2009 15:55:39] <rmatte> you could try ${here/getBlockSize
[09-Nov-2009 15:55:57] <rmatte> ah nevermind, got it
[09-Nov-2009 15:56:07] <rmatte> ${here/blockSize}
[09-Nov-2009 15:57:19] <NewBee1> i dont get why the utilzationRPN is ${here/getTotalBlocks},/,100,*
[09-Nov-2009 15:57:29] <NewBee1> that is block/100
[09-Nov-2009 15:57:42] <NewBee1> what is the * for?
[09-Nov-2009 15:57:42] <rmatte> I'll explain...
[09-Nov-2009 15:58:08] <NewBee1> i know it's Reverse Polish notation
[09-Nov-2009 15:58:12] <rmatte> ok, so first thing to know is that RPN is backwards
[09-Nov-2009 15:58:21] <NewBee1> but i just don't know RPN well.
[09-Nov-2009 15:58:35] <rmatte> so ${here/getTotalBlocks},/,100,* is actually " 100 / ${here/getTotalBlocks}"
[09-Nov-2009 15:58:54] <rmatte> now the other thing to understand is that the datapoint that you're doing the RPN for automatically gets appended at the end
[09-Nov-2009 15:59:17] <rmatte> so in reality it's actually: ${here/getTotalBlocks},/,100,*,usedBlocks
[09-Nov-2009 15:59:22] <NewBee1> appended?
[09-Nov-2009 15:59:28] <rmatte> or usedBlocks * 100 / ${here/getTotalBlocks}
[09-Nov-2009 15:59:43] <NewBee1> ugh
[09-Nov-2009 15:59:45] <rmatte> I might be a bit off there actually
[09-Nov-2009 16:00:04] <rmatte> but yeh, the RPN statement appends to the datapoint
[09-Nov-2009 16:00:28] <rmatte> so you're essentially using it twice in your RPN without knowing it
[09-Nov-2009 16:01:11] <NewBee1> so i need something more like blockSize.*
[09-Nov-2009 16:01:41] <rmatte> yes
[09-Nov-2009 16:01:41] <NewBee1> look at that it worked...
[09-Nov-2009 16:01:59] <rmatte> you're working with blocks, so you need to divide by blocksize to get it in bytes for starters
[09-Nov-2009 16:02:12] <rmatte> or bits I believe rather
[09-Nov-2009 16:02:15] <rmatte> and then go from there
[09-Nov-2009 16:02:27] <rmatte> 4096 blocks should be 1 bit I believe
[09-Nov-2009 16:02:36] <NewBee1> Some times i don't know what the guys at zenoss where on...
[09-Nov-2009 16:02:48] <rmatte> lol
[09-Nov-2009 16:03:22] <rmatte> well, if there's one thing that I absolutely hate in Zenoss, it's the use of RPN
[09-Nov-2009 16:03:26] <rmatte> RPN is such a pain in the ass
[09-Nov-2009 16:03:31] <NewBee1> it should be 4096bits to a block. i'm using 2M blocks. so 2M * 4096..... right
[09-Nov-2009 16:03:41] <rmatte> ah right
[09-Nov-2009 16:03:44] <TBKDan> I just upgraded from 2.4.x to 2.5 (RHEL RPM). At first I had a crapton of daemons not running, but I ran a zenmigrate and now everything is running. However, the event console does not work at all - both the global console and individual machine console. I've tried IE8, Firefox 3.5.5.. FF shows some stuff, but nothing coherent. Is this a known issue?
[09-Nov-2009 16:03:50] <rmatte> (I had it backwards, my bad)
[09-Nov-2009 16:04:00] <NewBee1> np
[09-Nov-2009 16:04:21] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: all caches cleared? http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5722 is an IE issue
[09-Nov-2009 16:04:25] <NewBee1> but it's still not right.
[09-Nov-2009 16:04:39] <rmatte> NewBee1: well wait, you said you're using a block size of 2 megabytes
[09-Nov-2009 16:04:55] <rmatte> all I was saying is that 4096 (4 megs) is a pretty standard block size
[09-Nov-2009 16:04:57] <NewBee1> no
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:04] <NewBee1> Block size 4096
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:09] <rmatte> ok
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:18] <rmatte> so take your total blocks or used blocks
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:24] <NewBee1> and 2million blocks
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:36] <rmatte> and then divide then multiply them by 4096
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:44] <rmatte> ignore "divide"
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:50] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: Yes, I opened Firefox, cleared all cache, closed it again, re-opened and it still was messed up.
[09-Nov-2009 16:05:50] <rmatte> "then multiply them by 4096"
[09-Nov-2009 16:06:29] <NewBee1> so my RPN is just 4096,*
[09-Nov-2009 16:07:00] <swygue> hello, I and a server sent several thousands syslog events to zenoss, and I'm looking for a way to move all the events to history. Doing from the gui is a pain since, especially because its too much to do at once. Any one knows how to delete these from zenmd?
[09-Nov-2009 16:07:08] <rmatte> 2000000 * 4096 = 8192000000
[09-Nov-2009 16:07:21] <rmatte> so about 8.2 GB
[09-Nov-2009 16:07:30] <swygue> lol, "i and a server" I meant " I have a server that sent"
[09-Nov-2009 16:08:05] <rmatte> NewBee1: it should probably be {$here/blockSize},*
[09-Nov-2009 16:08:15] <rmatte> don't set it statically as block size can vary
[09-Nov-2009 16:09:17] <NewBee1> ya
[09-Nov-2009 16:09:27] <rmatte> was I close with the 8.2GB?
[09-Nov-2009 16:09:30] <rmatte> or way off?
[09-Nov-2009 16:10:02] <rmatte> swygue: one sec, I have something to do that...
[09-Nov-2009 16:10:20] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: I tried running zenpatch 5722 && zenoss restart and it still does not render at all in IE8.
[09-Nov-2009 16:10:28] <swygue> rmatte:thanks
[09-Nov-2009 16:10:37] <TBKDan> Firefox rendering is still pretty much nonexistant
[09-Nov-2009 16:10:55] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: IE8 is known to not work well, compatibility mode may be required
[09-Nov-2009 16:11:05] <mrayzenoss> FireFox 3.x should work
[09-Nov-2009 16:11:16] <mrayzenoss> IE7 is supposed to work after the patch
[09-Nov-2009 16:11:29] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: FF 3.5 is still messed up on two different machines :(
[09-Nov-2009 16:11:35] <TBKDan> Let me try an IE7 machine
[09-Nov-2009 16:11:52] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: it's not 'zenpatch 5722', it's 'zenpatch 15588'
[09-Nov-2009 16:11:53] <rmatte> swygue: you just want to wipe the entire console or keep certain events?
[09-Nov-2009 16:12:02] <mrayzenoss> 5722 is the ticket, 15588 is the patch within the ticket
[09-Nov-2009 16:12:16] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: Ah, one moment please :-)
[09-Nov-2009 16:12:43] <swygue> rmatte: I would like to wipe all events for X device whose component is kernel
[09-Nov-2009 16:12:56] <TBKDan> Holy crap
[09-Nov-2009 16:13:03] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: Ok, IE8 is displaying now
[09-Nov-2009 16:13:12] <rmatte> ok, give me a sec then
[09-Nov-2009 16:13:21] <TBKDan> As is IE7
[09-Nov-2009 16:13:22] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: whew
[09-Nov-2009 16:13:51] * TBKDan tries FF again
[09-Nov-2009 16:13:54] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: here are the tickets currently targeted for 2.5.1: http://tr.im/trac_2_5_1
[09-Nov-2009 16:14:20] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: FF 3.5 is still massively screwed up
[09-Nov-2009 16:14:40] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: imagebin it?
[09-Nov-2009 16:14:44] <TBKDan> Sure, one sec
[09-Nov-2009 16:15:46] <rmatte> swygue: http://pastebin.com/m5f70b7a5
[09-Nov-2009 16:15:49] <rmatte> use that in zendmd
[09-Nov-2009 16:15:56] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[09-Nov-2009 16:15:58] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: http://imagebin.org/71138
[09-Nov-2009 16:16:00] <rmatte> set device and component variables to whatever you need
[09-Nov-2009 16:16:08] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[09-Nov-2009 16:16:19] <swygue> rmatte:checking it out now, thanks
[09-Nov-2009 16:16:21] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: that's a new one for me… I'll run it by QA
[09-Nov-2009 16:16:32] <rmatte> no problem
[09-Nov-2009 16:18:06] <NewBee1> usedBytes
[09-Nov-2009 16:18:07] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: any javascript errors?
[09-Nov-2009 16:18:34] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: Yes, a few
[09-Nov-2009 16:18:37] <NewBee1> in the filesystem.py. there is just usedBytes
[09-Nov-2009 16:18:46] <NewBee1> I'm guessing that might just work.
[09-Nov-2009 16:18:49] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: Ian asked for you to paste them
[09-Nov-2009 16:18:56] <mrayzenoss> pastebin that is
[09-Nov-2009 16:21:07] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: http://pastebin.com/m1791f034
[09-Nov-2009 16:21:16] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[09-Nov-2009 16:21:54] <TBKDan> I just grabbed all errors in FF error console there
[09-Nov-2009 16:22:01] <TBKDan> Well, summarized. Some are repeated a few times
[09-Nov-2009 16:22:18] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: could you re-clear your browser cache? Command-Shift-R
[09-Nov-2009 16:22:46] <mrayzenoss> Err, Ctrl-Shirt-R
[09-Nov-2009 16:22:50] <mrayzenoss> depending on your OS :)
[09-Nov-2009 16:24:37] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: I closed the tab, cleared the cache, closed the browser, opened it up, cleared the cache, closed again, then opened it up and same results.
[09-Nov-2009 16:24:51] <TBKDan> Let me go try on another machine that has never even seen this box
[09-Nov-2009 16:25:43] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: Same results (This box was a freshly booted livecd)
[09-Nov-2009 16:25:52] <TBKDan> So not a cache issue (unless it's server side)
[09-Nov-2009 16:27:30] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: custom zope.conf?
[09-Nov-2009 16:28:03] <swygue> rmatte: It seems to be working, I'm waiting for on my return keystroke
[09-Nov-2009 16:29:07] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: If I did modify it (which I don't recall doing), it would have been a while ago (back in 2.2 at the latest). I can show you the uncommented contents if you wish?
[09-Nov-2009 16:29:20] <TBKDan> (I don't see anything customized)
[09-Nov-2009 16:30:11] <mrayzenoss> TBKDan: probably not the issue, but sure
[09-Nov-2009 16:31:01] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: http://pastebin.com/m59f307be
[09-Nov-2009 16:31:11] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[09-Nov-2009 16:32:20] <mrayzenoss> Ian says "default-zpublisher-encoding should be utf-8"
[09-Nov-2009 16:32:32] <mrayzenoss> it was supposed to be upgraded
[09-Nov-2009 16:32:35] <TBKDan> Ahh
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:07] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: And there was much rejoicing!!
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:07] <TBKDan> :-)
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:23] <mrayzenoss> all hail Ian!
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:27] * TBKDan bows
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:35] <rmatte> swygue: if you're seeing ... just hit enter
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:35] <mrayzenoss> master of the Zope-Spacetime Continuum
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:41] <TBKDan> Tell him thank you very much (and thank you as well!)
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:43] <rmatte> swygue: ... means it's waiting for you to hit return
[09-Nov-2009 16:34:52] <rmatte> swygue: and after that it should run through silently
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:00] <rmatte> and when it finishes type: commit()
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:04] <rmatte> and wait for that to finish
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:06] <rmatte> then you're done
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:13] <TBKDan> mrayzenoss: Now to go home and see what food is waiting for me
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:22] <TBKDan> Later, and thanks again :-)
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:38] <swygue> rmatte: I did, I wating for it to return me to >>>
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:43] <jrock2004> Well guys off to go home. See ya later
[09-Nov-2009 16:35:54] <rmatte> swygue: cool, could take a while depending on the number of events
[09-Nov-2009 16:36:30] <swygue> rmatte: its 101039 kernel events
[09-Nov-2009 16:37:24] <rmatte> yeh, that'll take a bit for sure lol
[09-Nov-2009 16:37:51] <rmatte> but beats doing it by hand
[09-Nov-2009 16:40:45] <jrock2004> Ok I am back. I have a portlet that is autoredirecting me out of zenoss
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:08] <jrock2004> I am assuming I need to go into manage and remove that portlet correct?
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:13] <rmatte> jrock2004: you always have the most interesting Zenoss problems lol
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:25] <jrock2004> Are you gonna ban me?
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:30] <rmatte> is it that new web portlet?
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:38] <jrock2004> its a site window
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:40] <rmatte> I can't ban you lol
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:49] <rmatte> yeh, remove the portlet
[09-Nov-2009 16:41:52] <jrock2004> I thought it would be cool to load my gmail into a portlet
[09-Nov-2009 16:42:03] <rmatte> ah, but it redirects you?
[09-Nov-2009 16:42:11] <jrock2004> the issue is when I hit the dashboard it redirects me to google
[09-Nov-2009 16:42:15] <rmatte> ah
[09-Nov-2009 16:42:20] <jrock2004> 8080/zport/dmd/manage
[09-Nov-2009 16:42:32] <jrock2004> so I am figuring I need to go in there and find the portlets and remove it
[09-Nov-2009 16:42:34] <rmatte> yeh, you need to remove that portlet from the dashboard
[09-Nov-2009 16:42:54] <rmatte> hmmm
[09-Nov-2009 16:43:24] <rmatte> not sure where you'd find that in ZMI...
[09-Nov-2009 16:44:27] <rmatte> that is a great point though, there should be somewhere where you can suspend the functionality of the site portlet
[09-Nov-2009 16:44:36] <rmatte> just in case people run in to that type of issue
[09-Nov-2009 16:44:53] <jrock2004> you mean pull a jrock2004 :)
[09-Nov-2009 16:44:58] <rmatte> hehe
[09-Nov-2009 16:45:16] <rmatte> too bad ian isn't around, he'd probably know
[09-Nov-2009 16:45:44] <jrock2004> Is this something I will need to post to the forums?
[09-Nov-2009 16:46:48] <rmatte> well hold on, I'm trying something...
[09-Nov-2009 16:47:07] <jrock2004> ok
[09-Nov-2009 16:47:53] <rmatte> bah, of course ZenPortalManager is outside of dmd so I can't use zendmd to manipulate it
[09-Nov-2009 16:47:54] <rmatte> hmmm
[09-Nov-2009 16:48:51] <rmatte> oh wait, it might be under ZenWidgets...
[09-Nov-2009 16:49:12] <rmatte> it is, ooooh
[09-Nov-2009 16:49:19] <rmatte> ok, give me a minute to figure this out...
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:01] <jrock2004> ok
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:50] <rmatte> Ok, try this in zendmd
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:51] <rmatte> $ zendmd
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:51] <rmatte> >>> from Products.ZenWidgets.ZenossPortlets.ZenossPortlets \
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:51] <rmatte> import register_default_portlets
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:51] <rmatte> >>> register_default_portlets(zport.ZenPortletManager)
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:51] <rmatte> >>> commit()
[09-Nov-2009 16:50:56] <rmatte> see if that does it
[09-Nov-2009 16:51:12] <rmatte> actually, let me test it first
[09-Nov-2009 16:52:02] <rmatte> damn, doesn't work, but hold on, think I'm on the right track possibly
[09-Nov-2009 16:54:42] <jrock2004> Did I give you a challenge?
[09-Nov-2009 16:55:02] <rmatte> yeh, well the challenge is that adding and removing the portlets is all done via ajax...
[09-Nov-2009 16:55:12] <rmatte> but I need to figure out how it remembers what portlets to display
[09-Nov-2009 16:56:20] <jrock2004> is it stored in the db?
[09-Nov-2009 16:56:54] <rmatte> yup
[09-Nov-2009 16:57:38] <rmatte> looks like it uses dmd.ZenUsers.getUserSettings()
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:10] <rmatte> <script tal:define="settings python:here.ZenUsers.getUserSettings();
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:10] <rmatte> json settings/dashboardState | string:null"
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:10] <rmatte> tal:content="string:
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:10] <rmatte> var state = '${settings/dashboardState}';
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:10] <rmatte> if(state) var dashboardState = evalJSON(state);
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:11] <rmatte> "></script>
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:20] <rmatte> that's the code that pulls the dashboard state from user settings
[09-Nov-2009 16:58:55] <mrayzenoss> got the fix from Ian
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:02] <jrock2004> found it
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:04] <mrayzenoss> in zendmd
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:06] <mrayzenoss> dmd.ZenUsers.admin.dashboardState = ''
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:13] <rmatte> sweet, I'm curious to see this one
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:14] <mrayzenoss> where 'admin' is the user
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:17] <rmatte> I was on the right track hehe
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:18] <mrayzenoss> and then commit()
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:26] <rmatte> ah, nice
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:29] <jrock2004> did not even have to do that
[09-Nov-2009 16:59:39] <jrock2004> 8080/zport/dmd/ZenUsers/username/manage
[09-Nov-2009 17:00:10] <rmatte> ok, but then what?
[09-Nov-2009 17:00:21] <rmatte> all that's there is adminRoles and messages
[09-Nov-2009 17:00:39] <jrock2004> click on Properties
[09-Nov-2009 17:00:47] <rmatte> ah
[09-Nov-2009 17:00:48] <rmatte> I see
[09-Nov-2009 17:00:59] <rmatte> cool, I'll have to remember that
[09-Nov-2009 17:01:03] <jrock2004> Hey I taught someone something :)
[09-Nov-2009 17:01:21] <rmatte> that's awesome too because it means that I can globally set dashboard layouts if need be
[09-Nov-2009 17:02:06] <rmatte> swygue: still running through?
[09-Nov-2009 17:02:24] <rmatte> jrock2004: nah, I knew about the properties tab, I'm just being stupid right now lol
[09-Nov-2009 17:02:35] <rmatte> I went through the properties tab many times while setting up the LDAP plugins
[09-Nov-2009 17:02:39] <swygue> rmatte: its still running, I can't tell if its doing anything, from the UI the event count is the same
[09-Nov-2009 17:02:39] <jrock2004> Oh sure easy to but a new guy down :)
[09-Nov-2009 17:02:51] <rmatte> :P
[09-Nov-2009 17:02:59] <rmatte> lol
[09-Nov-2009 17:03:17] <rmatte> swygue: do a "top", if your CPU usage is through the roof then it's doing something
[09-Nov-2009 17:03:41] <rmatte> swygue: yeh, the event count shouldn't change until you actually do the commit
[09-Nov-2009 17:04:13] <rmatte> swygue: plus that's an assload of events, could take an hour or more to clear them
[09-Nov-2009 17:04:51] <rmatte> what caused all of those anyways?
[09-Nov-2009 17:04:54] <swygue> rmatte: load isn't that bad, 1.36 cpu 22%
[09-Nov-2009 17:05:02] <rmatte> accidentally set the syslog level too low?
[09-Nov-2009 17:05:24] <rmatte> swygue: how's the CPU usage on zendmd?
[09-Nov-2009 17:05:36] <rmatte> higher than other processes?
[09-Nov-2009 17:06:09] <jrock2004> Well Now I need to figure out where my hosted servers with 1and1 are so I can put on google maps
[09-Nov-2009 17:06:21] <rmatte> hehe, nice
[09-Nov-2009 17:06:39] <swygue> rmatte: not sure tell you the truth, we have a netapp filer and we mount cifs from it. So thing happened lastnight that caused syslog to spit out a kernel CIFS VFS error event minute since lastnight
[09-Nov-2009 17:06:47] <jrock2004> the whole reason for my mess up is I am trying to get all my systems in zenoss dashboard
[09-Nov-2009 17:06:48] <rmatte> I'm out of here in about 20 mins, but there's no reason why that zendmd code shouldn't work, so just let it run for a while
[09-Nov-2009 17:07:07] <jrock2004> This way I only need one system to look at all my stuff
[09-Nov-2009 17:07:09] <rmatte> swygue: ah, that sucks
[09-Nov-2009 17:07:59] <rmatte> swygue: actually, I should have just added a print line in there so that you could see the progress event by event
[09-Nov-2009 17:08:02] <rmatte> didn't think about it
[09-Nov-2009 17:08:39] <swygue> rmatte: zenmd cpu is 77%
[09-Nov-2009 17:09:04] <swygue> rmatte: I did try to do that, but i don't know much python
[09-Nov-2009 17:09:07] <rmatte> yeh, I'm sure it's doing something
[09-Nov-2009 17:09:11] <rmatte> if you want to see progress: http://pastebin.com/m229fe5b9
[09-Nov-2009 17:09:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[09-Nov-2009 17:09:58] <rmatte> that'll give you some idea of how fast it's going
[09-Nov-2009 17:10:16] <rmatte> you can cancel the current running job and resume with that and it'll pick up where it left off
[09-Nov-2009 17:10:25] <rmatte> it's doing it all virtual until you actually do the commit()
[09-Nov-2009 17:10:30] <rmatte> just don't exit out of zendmd
[09-Nov-2009 17:10:37] <swygue> rmatte: I didn't enclose the evt.evid in brackets, I feel good, I guess I know a little
[09-Nov-2009 17:10:48] <rmatte> hehe
[09-Nov-2009 17:11:20] <rmatte> I specifically learned python because of Zenoss, but my python-fu is getting pretty good lately
[09-Nov-2009 17:12:11] <rmatte> but yeh, try it with the print and let me know if it's working, it should be
[09-Nov-2009 17:12:26] <rmatte> if you don't see anything then there's something wrong
[09-Nov-2009 17:14:55] <swygue> rmatte: I know, zenoss is my motivation, I'm getting tired of wanting to do things like this, and can't.
[09-Nov-2009 17:15:05] <rmatte> hehe
[09-Nov-2009 17:15:32] <swygue> rmatte: I try it and nothing printing
[09-Nov-2009 17:15:36] <rmatte> swygue: it's worth learning, it's a great language
[09-Nov-2009 17:15:41] <rmatte> ooooh, that's not good
[09-Nov-2009 17:15:54] <rmatte> make sure you have the right case for the component and the device name
[09-Nov-2009 17:16:06] <rmatte> if it says KERNEL and you put kernel or vice-versa it won't work
[09-Nov-2009 17:17:17] <swygue> rmatte: you think device is case sensitive, we name our devices using the FQDN, you think I should just use the shorname
[09-Nov-2009 17:17:34] <rmatte> device is case sensitive, yeh
[09-Nov-2009 17:17:43] <rmatte> you need to have exactly what's in the device field for the event
[09-Nov-2009 17:17:50] <rmatte> since I'm using re.match()
[09-Nov-2009 17:17:53] <rmatte> so it needs to be exact
[09-Nov-2009 17:18:43] <swygue> rmatte:that might be the issue, we name the device hostname is caps and domain lowercase: SERVER-01.domain.net, cause it looks cool from zenoss UI
[09-Nov-2009 17:19:16] <rmatte> basically what the script is doing is reading through each event in the list, setting evt to the event details set, then checking the component and device against the ones that you set in the variables at the top
[09-Nov-2009 17:19:29] <rmatte> and it needs to be a perfect match for it to proceed with moving the event to history
[09-Nov-2009 17:19:55] <rmatte> ah, I see
[09-Nov-2009 17:20:13] <rmatte> if you correct the case then it should work
[09-Nov-2009 17:21:37] <rmatte> make sure you have the correct case for component as well
[09-Nov-2009 17:22:04] <kobalt> woot just got the approval for maxing out the ram on my server hehe
[09-Nov-2009 17:22:12] <rmatte> congrats
[09-Nov-2009 17:22:16] <rmatte> more RAM is always good
[09-Nov-2009 17:22:37] <kobalt> somthing about I have about half our network we monitor loaded.... 1300 devices... hehe
[09-Nov-2009 17:22:47] <rmatte> lol
[09-Nov-2009 17:22:52] <rmatte> yeh, that's a lot of devices
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:00] <rmatte> I'd say 8 gigs of RAM minimum for that
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:06] <kobalt> I have 6 now
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:12] <kobalt> Im upgrading to 32
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:13] <rmatte> yeh, not enough
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:17] <rmatte> cool
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:42] <kobalt> all together Ill have about 3k devices 90% switches
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:44] <rmatte> swygue: any luck?
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:53] <rmatte> wow
[09-Nov-2009 17:23:58] <rmatte> that's a lot of datapoints
[09-Nov-2009 17:24:30] <swygue> rmatte: I was in the middle of telling you its still not working, that it might be something I'm overlooking, then I saw a flood of information went by in the background. Its working now like a charm and fast!!!
[09-Nov-2009 17:24:31] <kobalt> yeah lol .... I have about 100 4006 switches....
[09-Nov-2009 17:24:43] <rmatte> are you monitoring the admin status for each port via SNMP?: docs/DOC-2494
[09-Nov-2009 17:24:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Polling Interface Status (at community.zenoss.org)
[09-Nov-2009 17:25:22] <rmatte> I hate how all of my old Zenoss bookmarks don't work anymore lol
[09-Nov-2009 17:25:33] <rmatte> I need to take like a half hour and update them all
[09-Nov-2009 17:26:04] <rmatte> swygue: excellent, glad to hear man
[09-Nov-2009 17:26:10] <kobalt> no we have been using snmp traps, but this is good if a trap gets missed
[09-Nov-2009 17:26:38] <rmatte> swygue: wanted to make sure that you were squared away before I left lol
[09-Nov-2009 17:26:58] <rmatte> kobalt: yeh, there's no substitution for actually monitoring status via SNMP polling in my opinion
[09-Nov-2009 17:27:58] <rmatte> kobalt: the traps can be messy
[09-Nov-2009 17:28:27] <kobalt> rmatte: the only problem I can see is getting traps and snmp monitoring
[09-Nov-2009 17:28:40] <rmatte> swygue: you may not actually have to do a commit() but I'd do it anyways when it's done just to be sure
[09-Nov-2009 17:28:50] <kobalt> rmatte: I get a trap then snmp monitor polls I get 2 events
[09-Nov-2009 17:29:01] <rmatte> kobalt: yeh, but all you have to do is tune the traps out like I did
[09-Nov-2009 17:29:08] <rmatte> kobalt: the snmp polling is way better anyways
[09-Nov-2009 17:29:26] <swygue> rmatte: thanks allot, see you around, I heading home now myself.
[09-Nov-2009 17:29:29] <kobalt> except not all interfaces are being used
[09-Nov-2009 17:29:36] <rmatte> swygue: no problem, any time, ttyl
[09-Nov-2009 17:29:47] <kobalt> so then I get events every 5 min
[09-Nov-2009 17:30:06] <rmatte> that's why you need to properly tune which interfaces you're actually monitoring
[09-Nov-2009 17:30:29] <rmatte> I don't monitor any user ports, I only monitor trunks, vlans, circuits, stuff like that
[09-Nov-2009 17:31:07] <kobalt> rmatte: our main buisness is l2 transport, and we monitor the customer facing
[09-Nov-2009 17:31:36] <kobalt> rmatte: we also noc for other networks and some have a bad habbit of leaving interfaces in a down down state
[09-Nov-2009 17:31:38] <rmatte> yeh, I guess traps are better suited for your particular situation then
[09-Nov-2009 17:39:29] <mrayzenoss> later all
[09-Nov-2009 17:39:36] <kobalt> cya
[09-Nov-2009 22:33:17] * davetoo whimpers
[09-Nov-2009 22:33:37] <davetoo> what the heck is *sending* these false-positive alerts?
[09-Nov-2009 23:45:34] <ayesha> Hi everyone ! I just had a small query regarding the usage of zenoss api...
[09-Nov-2009 23:46:28] <ayesha> My requirement is to fetch the monitoring information stored in the zenoss rrd files remotely .
[09-Nov-2009 23:47:26] <ayesha> In the api documentation I found a api called fetchRRDValues. However this api does not seem to be exposed at the Device level
[09-Nov-2009 23:49:18] <ayesha> Could anyone tell me how to use the fetchRRDValues api. Given the Device and the counter name , my requirement is to fetch all the 5-min values collected for that counter using a single api call
[09-Nov-2009 23:53:16] <ayesha> I am using the REST way .....
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[10-Nov-2009 00:49:01] <davetoo> *sigh*
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[10-Nov-2009 01:33:38] <rhettardo> all i know is 'rrdtool fetch /path/to/datasource.rrd AVERAGE -r 300 -s 1h' :\. that example would get averages w/ a 300 second (5 minute) resolution for the past hour
[10-Nov-2009 01:33:48] <rhettardo> probably not helpful but its all i got!
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[10-Nov-2009 07:04:22] <Touma> hi all
[10-Nov-2009 07:04:24] <Touma> ?
[10-Nov-2009 07:05:38] <chemist> hello
[10-Nov-2009 07:18:47] zz_Bryanstein is now known as Bryanstein
[10-Nov-2009 07:43:58] <Touma> hey chemist
[10-Nov-2009 08:04:02] <chemist> hello
[10-Nov-2009 08:04:13] <mrayzenoss> morning/afternoon
[10-Nov-2009 08:04:26] <chemist> afternoon in this latitude
[10-Nov-2009 08:04:30] <mrayzenoss> yup
[10-Nov-2009 08:06:34] <chemist> mrayzenoss: is there any documentatition on monitoring linux processes via snmp?
[10-Nov-2009 08:07:56] <mrayzenoss> http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jcurry.html "http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/process_monitoring.pdf"
[10-Nov-2009 08:08:28] <adytum-bot> Title: Papers and Presentations by Jane Curry (at www.skills-1st.co.uk)
[10-Nov-2009 08:09:00] <pokui> I particularly liked the automated discovery scripts she wrote.
[10-Nov-2009 08:10:09] <mrayzenoss> yeah, she writes a lot of good stuff
[10-Nov-2009 08:13:38] <chemist> thanks
[10-Nov-2009 08:47:04] <jrock2004> There are really no collector plugins for FreeBSD is there? I am using the darwins one now
[10-Nov-2009 08:49:11] <mrayzenoss> hmm… apparently not. Does it differ much from the OSX or Linux ones?
[10-Nov-2009 08:49:39] <mrayzenoss> also, a FreeBSD SSH ZenPack would be really nice if you're interested in writing one
[10-Nov-2009 08:49:51] * mrayzenoss is shameless
[10-Nov-2009 08:53:59] <pokui> mrayzenoss: you mean a set of commands to be run under freebsd?
[10-Nov-2009 08:54:01] <jrock2004> Yeah I might have too
[10-Nov-2009 08:54:42] <mrayzenoss> pokui: yeah, similar to the Linux Monitor added in 2.4
[10-Nov-2009 08:54:54] <mrayzenoss> there are a number of Linux ones and an OpenSolaris one
[10-Nov-2009 08:55:22] <mrayzenoss> if I magically had more time I'd probably do a Debian one based off the Ubuntu one, then an OSX one
[10-Nov-2009 08:55:45] <pokui> lol. I'll add that to my todo list since I'm deploying core with freebsd servers anyway.
[10-Nov-2009 08:56:31] <mrayzenoss> I've heard the SNMP is pretty good, but some people like SSH
[10-Nov-2009 08:57:09] <mrayzenoss> pretty good for FreeBSD that is
[10-Nov-2009 08:58:10] <pokui> the SNMP is very nice. the reason for the SSH is some machines based on freeBSD (bandwidth managers and other appliance types) do not recommend having an snmp listner on the machine.
[10-Nov-2009 08:58:31] <pokui> so running one could get you in warranty/support trouble.
[10-Nov-2009 08:58:47] * pokui thinks it's all bs but ...
[10-Nov-2009 08:59:28] <mrayzenoss> well, there's lots of documentation and examples for SSH ZenPacks here: community/developers/zenpack_development
[10-Nov-2009 08:59:46] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: ZenPack Development (at community.zenoss.org)
[10-Nov-2009 09:00:39] <jrock2004> pokui: Or in some cases you have operating systems that are too old and you cannot get installers for them
[10-Nov-2009 09:00:55] <jrock2004> I am still trying to phase out of my old boxes
[10-Nov-2009 09:01:10] <jrock2004> Dam the previous IT guy for not doing system upgrades
[10-Nov-2009 09:01:11] <pokui> jrock2004: that too. short of doing a cvs checkout of a very old fbsd and a build you'd be stuck.
[10-Nov-2009 09:07:05] <jrock2004> HW Products. When you create custom ones, is there a way to edit them?
[10-Nov-2009 09:09:31] <Touma> hi all, I'm discovered some devices (hosts) with zennos but i can't see the graps of traffic for the network interfaces
[10-Nov-2009 09:09:56] <Touma> i'm adding the zenpack linux monitoring
[10-Nov-2009 09:10:03] <jrock2004> What ddi you set the proper collector plugins
[10-Nov-2009 09:10:22] <jrock2004> What collector plugins are set for the device
[10-Nov-2009 09:10:32] <mrayzenoss> Touma: there's a free Getting Started Webinar in less that 3 hours http://forms.zenoss.com/getting-started
[10-Nov-2009 09:10:45] <adytum-bot> Title: Getting Started with Zenoss (at forms.zenoss.com)
[10-Nov-2009 09:10:59] <mrayzenoss> sounds like your devices are all in /Discovered
[10-Nov-2009 09:12:18] <rmatte> I love how dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_setEventStates(1, ['event id']) works fine to acknowledge events, but when the 1 is substituted with a 0 it doesn't unacknowledge the events (I'm sure that must be fixed in 2.5).
[10-Nov-2009 09:13:36] <rmatte> yeh, the devices will be in /Discovered by default, you need to move them to the appropriate device class
[10-Nov-2009 09:16:00] <Touma> but the linux host has discovered but i can't see graps of traficc
[10-Nov-2009 09:36:32] <rmatte> Touma: eugh, ok...
[10-Nov-2009 09:36:41] <rmatte> have you moved the Linux device to /Server/Linux?
[10-Nov-2009 09:36:51] <Touma> no
[10-Nov-2009 09:36:57] <rmatte> you need to do that
[10-Nov-2009 09:37:05] <Touma> it's necessary ?
[10-Nov-2009 09:37:31] <rmatte> ok, let's start from the beginning to make sure that the basics are covered...
[10-Nov-2009 09:37:39] <rmatte> is SNMP enabled on that Linux server?
[10-Nov-2009 09:38:11] <Touma> yeah
[10-Nov-2009 09:38:41] <rmatte> ok, now move the Linux server from /Discovered to /Server/Linux since that group is specifically taylored for monitoring Linux devices
[10-Nov-2009 09:38:51] <rmatte> also make sure that you've properly set the SNMP community string in Zenoss
[10-Nov-2009 09:39:15] <Touma> yes it's properly
[10-Nov-2009 09:39:36] <rmatte> k, you see interfaces on the OS tab for the device I assume?
[10-Nov-2009 09:40:51] <rmatte> hello?
[10-Nov-2009 09:41:08] <Touma> no
[10-Nov-2009 09:41:20] <Touma> i can't see that in os tab
[10-Nov-2009 09:42:15] <rmatte> ok, have you moved the device to /Server/Linux?
[10-Nov-2009 09:42:20] <Touma> yes
[10-Nov-2009 09:42:32] <rmatte> ok, from the device page, click on the dropdown meny
[10-Nov-2009 09:42:34] <rmatte> menu*
[10-Nov-2009 09:42:41] <rmatte> and select "Manage -> Model Device"
[10-Nov-2009 09:45:08] <Touma> thanks
[10-Nov-2009 09:45:27] <Touma> but i'm check again with the server grupos
[10-Nov-2009 09:45:29] <Touma> the snmp
[10-Nov-2009 09:47:01] <rmatte> k
[10-Nov-2009 09:49:49] <rmatte> you should probably take advantage of that getting started with Zenoss webinar Touma
[10-Nov-2009 09:50:01] <rmatte> it's free and it's basically a live presentation that explains the basics
[10-Nov-2009 09:50:14] <mrayzenoss> and you'll get to hear my voice :p
[10-Nov-2009 09:50:14] <Touma> yeah
[10-Nov-2009 09:51:18] <rmatte> hehe
[10-Nov-2009 09:52:02] <Touma> but the switches graps the traficc
[10-Nov-2009 09:53:50] <ke4qqq> anyone else having problems with replying to forum posts via email?
[10-Nov-2009 09:54:06] <Zenethian-> Webinar++
[10-Nov-2009 09:54:11] Zenethian- is now known as Zenethian
[10-Nov-2009 09:54:12] <Touma> rmatte, in your contry what time is it actually ?
[10-Nov-2009 09:54:16] Zenethian is now known as zenethian
[10-Nov-2009 09:54:17] <Touma> or now
[10-Nov-2009 09:58:33] <rmatte> Touma: 11:00AM
[10-Nov-2009 09:59:15] <rmatte> Touma: you need to model the device properly via SNMP, if it's not modelling properly then SNMP is not properly configured on it
[10-Nov-2009 10:00:07] <rmatte> zenethian: g'day
[10-Nov-2009 10:03:13] <zenethian> howdee
[10-Nov-2009 10:07:06] <rmatte> eugh, I need to figure out how to package this daemon that I wrote as a zenpack and have it work like any other zenoss daemon
[10-Nov-2009 10:07:53] <mrayzenoss> zenjmx, jabber xmppbot and wmi data source are all examples
[10-Nov-2009 10:07:55] <rmatte> I sent a message to Egor asking for tips :)
[10-Nov-2009 10:08:12] <rmatte> I know, I looked through wmi data source, but quite honestly I can't even make sense of how it works lol
[10-Nov-2009 10:08:41] <rmatte> the zenperfwmi bash script which kicks off the python script makes zero reference to where zenperfwmi.py is actually stored
[10-Nov-2009 10:08:49] <rmatte> so I have no idea where it's getting the info from
[10-Nov-2009 10:10:13] <mrayzenoss> I think there's something special about the daemons directory, like it gets registered with Zenoss
[10-Nov-2009 10:10:28] <rmatte> hmmmm
[10-Nov-2009 10:10:40] <rmatte> I figured that, but I need to know more exactly how it all works
[10-Nov-2009 10:11:19] <rmatte> I'll wait and see if he gets back to me
[10-Nov-2009 10:11:40] <RoundQube> hello all
[10-Nov-2009 10:11:44] <rmatte> hey
[10-Nov-2009 10:12:08] <rmatte> every time I see your nick I think of roundcube webmail
[10-Nov-2009 10:12:21] <RoundQube> i keep getting alert messages from Zenoss like: Unable to read processes on device zenoss; Timeout on device. What do I need to look into? From the forums, I've seen people mention this issue but its always been outside devices, not Zenoss itself that is timing out so I'm confused.
[10-Nov-2009 10:12:24] <rmatte> It's what I run on my server: http://webmail.dmon.org/
[10-Nov-2009 10:12:32] <RoundQube> rmatte lol, i know, everyone thinks that when I go into channels
[10-Nov-2009 10:12:34] <adytum-bot> Title: Welcome to dmon.org Webmail (at webmail.dmon.org)
[10-Nov-2009 10:13:06] <rmatte> RoundQube: if you're getting timeouts check the log, it'll usually mention "problem devices" when it fails
[10-Nov-2009 10:13:26] <rmatte> RoundQube: if it's always the same device, or around the same area in the device list then you have a genuine response time issue somewhere
[10-Nov-2009 10:13:26] <RoundQube> rmatte but this problem device is Zenoss itself from what I'm interpretting, am I wrong?
[10-Nov-2009 10:13:50] <rmatte> RoundQube: no, it's not Zenoss itself
[10-Nov-2009 10:13:55] <RoundQube> then it clears: 'Process table up for device zenoss'
[10-Nov-2009 10:14:14] <rmatte> RoundQube: well, why would you have the zenoss server in the zenoss inventory?
[10-Nov-2009 10:14:31] <rmatte> that doesn't even make sense, if you do you should just remove it
[10-Nov-2009 10:14:48] <RoundQube> because I'd like to know if something went down on it like ssh or whatever
[10-Nov-2009 10:15:32] <rmatte> very bad practice to monitor the local server, you should have another server somewhere that's monitoring it
[10-Nov-2009 10:15:43] <RoundQube> zenoss automatically was added, I didnt add it.. it was added as 127.0.0.1 (localhost) when I installed so I didn't remove it because I figured if it was added by the Zenoss team on purpose, who am I to take it out
[10-Nov-2009 10:16:09] <rmatte> I've done a ton of Zenoss installs and I've never had Zenoss actually add localhost as a device
[10-Nov-2009 10:16:17] <rmatte> maybe it did that during an auto-discovery
[10-Nov-2009 10:16:20] <rmatte> but you should remove it
[10-Nov-2009 10:16:34] <RoundQube> ok ill remove it
[10-Nov-2009 10:17:00] <RoundQube> still curious about these processes errors
[10-Nov-2009 10:17:47] <rmatte> if the process errors dissapear then it's probably something to do with snmp permissions on the zenoss server
[10-Nov-2009 10:18:10] <RoundQube> ok ill see if i get these errors
[10-Nov-2009 10:18:47] <rmatte> push changes to the collector so that it knows that that device is no longer in inventory
[10-Nov-2009 10:19:48] <cmdln> hello
[10-Nov-2009 10:19:54] <rmatte> hi
[10-Nov-2009 10:20:03] <cmdln> ive got new questions :)
[10-Nov-2009 10:20:10] <RoundQube> rmatte from what i know, pushing changes requires going to the device itself but in this case I removed it. Is there another way?
[10-Nov-2009 10:20:11] <rmatte> ask away
[10-Nov-2009 10:20:30] <rmatte> RoundQube: nah, just click on Devices on the left and do Manage -> Push Changes
[10-Nov-2009 10:21:32] <RoundQube> thanks
[10-Nov-2009 10:21:38] <cmdln> So I want to monitor solaris zones, I have the mibs loaded so thats done. I know the oid trees I want to monitor but since these are essentially vms the same vm wont be at the same oid tree necissarily after say a reboot
[10-Nov-2009 10:22:12] <cmdln> so how do you deal with monitoring an oid that isnt necissarily the same thing all the time?
[10-Nov-2009 10:22:20] <cmdln> that was worded poorly
[10-Nov-2009 10:22:24] <rmatte> cmdln: you write a script to handle it
[10-Nov-2009 10:22:42] <rmatte> the configure it as a command based data-source
[10-Nov-2009 10:22:46] <rmatte> then*
[10-Nov-2009 10:22:58] <ke4qqq> cmdln: sounds implemented poorly on Sun's part
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:20] <cmdln> well it works fine if you want to use their monitoring system :P
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:21] <rmatte> it's just like how Microsoft had CPU OIDs that tend to wander
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:27] <cmdln> yeah
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:32] <rmatte> so the first CPU will be .1 one day and .2 the next
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:36] <cmdln> heh
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:45] <cmdln> basically thats what i have
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:54] <rmatte> that's why I wrote the Windows SNMP Performance Monitor ZenPack
[10-Nov-2009 10:23:59] <rmatte> to overcome the stupidity of microsoft
[10-Nov-2009 10:24:13] <rmatte> same thing for RAM, the OID changes from device to device based on the number of physical drives in the system
[10-Nov-2009 10:24:15] <cmdln> rmatte you are a genius if you can overcome all of microsofts stupidity
[10-Nov-2009 10:24:26] <rmatte> I didn't say all
[10-Nov-2009 10:24:28] <rmatte> but some
[10-Nov-2009 10:24:29] <rmatte> :)
[10-Nov-2009 10:24:31] <cmdln> ;)
[10-Nov-2009 10:24:44] <cmdln> cool co I can take a look at your script then
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:00] <cmdln> im not a big developer type but I can futs with python
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:00] <rmatte> yeh
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:13] <rmatte> the scripts I did are bash scripts actually
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:16] <rmatte> so they are quite simple
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:17] <cmdln> ahh
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:18] <cmdln> nice
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:22] <rmatte> I assume you have bash scripting experience?
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:26] <cmdln> yeah
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:39] <cmdln> i can get stuff done
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:40] <rmatte> (I will convert them to python eventually, my python is getting good lately but it sucked back when I wrote those scripts)
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:48] <rmatte> lol
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:49] <cmdln> yeah i start in bash
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:53] <cmdln> then reqrite in python
[10-Nov-2009 10:25:58] <rmatte> yup
[10-Nov-2009 10:26:09] <cmdln> unless I know its going to be big then i just start in python
[10-Nov-2009 10:26:28] <cmdln> I think my favorite script was a hook i wrote into inotify
[10-Nov-2009 10:26:50] <cmdln> to deal with inherited permissions on a file system that was accessed with nfs, cifs, sshfs
[10-Nov-2009 10:27:11] <cmdln> hehe I stored my permission structure in a pickle file lol
[10-Nov-2009 10:27:20] <cmdln> ended up being slightly ugly but worked great
[10-Nov-2009 10:27:39] <cmdln> monitored for moves, changes, and writes and fixed permissions
[10-Nov-2009 10:28:46] <cmdln> rmatte: should I look at the simpel or advanced one?
[10-Nov-2009 10:29:36] <rmatte> nice
[10-Nov-2009 10:29:55] <rmatte> my favourite was a ticket create daemon that I finished writing yesterday
[10-Nov-2009 10:30:02] <rmatte> creates tickets in our ticketing system from Zenoss
[10-Nov-2009 10:30:04] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/f557bdab8
[10-Nov-2009 10:30:13] <rmatte> fairly complex python
[10-Nov-2009 10:30:15] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[10-Nov-2009 10:30:37] <cmdln> cool
[10-Nov-2009 10:31:07] <rmatte> it's not 100% done yet but it's pretty close
[10-Nov-2009 10:31:16] <rmatte> I need to add some logging functionality to it and then zenpack it
[10-Nov-2009 10:31:25] <ke4qqq> rmatte: what ticketing system?
[10-Nov-2009 10:31:34] <rmatte> ke4qqq: otrs
[10-Nov-2009 10:31:43] <rmatte> but a customized version of it
[10-Nov-2009 10:32:39] <ke4qqq> cool - haven't played with otrs in a long while.
[10-Nov-2009 10:33:27] <rmatte> yeh, it's pretty nice with all of the mods that we did to it
[10-Nov-2009 10:33:31] <rmatte> still have some stuff to add
[10-Nov-2009 10:34:38] <rmatte> but yeh, this daemon is going to make the ticket creation much more reliable since it actually watches the queue and tries to open a ticket each time an event count increments
[10-Nov-2009 10:35:14] <rmatte> it also only tries to open 1 ticket at once, so if 380 events come in at once, it won't launch 380 instances of the ticket create script (which it does now and drowns out the box)
[10-Nov-2009 10:35:15] <rmatte> lol
[10-Nov-2009 10:40:47] <pokui> rmatte: interesting. since you're calling a perlscript to create your orts ticket this is easily adaptable to webrt (which is what I'm planning to use)
[10-Nov-2009 10:41:27] <rmatte> yup
[10-Nov-2009 10:41:48] <rmatte> otrs is written in perl so it was easier to do it in perl apparently
[10-Nov-2009 10:42:00] <rmatte> plus I didn't write the script that I'm calling, my manager did, and he's a big perl guy
[10-Nov-2009 10:42:20] <rmatte> but yeh, it's adaptable to basically anything
[10-Nov-2009 10:43:13] <pokui> heh my inclination is ruby > perl > python so .... :)
[10-Nov-2009 10:43:56] <rmatte> hehe
[10-Nov-2009 10:44:04] <rmatte> mine is bash > python
[10-Nov-2009 10:44:06] <rmatte> right now anyways
[10-Nov-2009 10:47:35] <rmatte> although I'm trying to learn a lot of python
[10-Nov-2009 10:47:44] <cmdln> so
[10-Nov-2009 10:48:07] <cmdln> since I also dont necissarily know the name of these zones I need to store them in the db
[10-Nov-2009 10:48:24] <rmatte> cmdln: the simple and advanced use the same scripts, just different Zenoss templates, so either is fine
[10-Nov-2009 10:48:55] <cmdln> no, i should give the name of the zone as a parameter to the script
[10-Nov-2009 10:49:11] <cmdln> sorry thinking outloud
[10-Nov-2009 10:49:14] <rmatte> hehe
[10-Nov-2009 10:49:17] <cmdln> never written a zenoss thing
[10-Nov-2009 10:52:11] <rmatte> it's fairly simple
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[10-Nov-2009 10:55:48] <kobalt> in a custom report what is the tales for device class?
[10-Nov-2009 10:58:54] <rmatte> kobalt: not sure off the top of my head. Maybe check other reports that already make use of the device class?
[10-Nov-2009 10:59:59] <jrock2004> In the Status tab under the OS section there is a contact label. I know if you have snmp enabled that gets populated. Is there a way without snmp to put a value there?
[10-Nov-2009 11:02:15] <Alowishus> What do I need to do to get graphs of memory statistics from a Linux host that's being monitored via SSH? I have the LinuxMonitor and LinuxMonitorAddOn packs installed, but that doesn't seem to be enough...
[10-Nov-2009 11:04:43] <mrayzenoss> Alowishus: looks like it needs to be added… you could add a new SSH data source to do it
[10-Nov-2009 11:08:35] <rmatte> jrock2004: no, but you can go to the edit tab and fill in the comments field
[10-Nov-2009 11:08:47] <rmatte> and just put something like: Contact for this device is: Fred Beaver
[10-Nov-2009 11:08:49] <rmatte> or whatever
[10-Nov-2009 11:09:08] <jrock2004> Wil do
[10-Nov-2009 11:09:28] <rmatte> simpler is just to configure it on the device
[10-Nov-2009 11:09:30] <rmatte> if you can
[10-Nov-2009 11:09:54] <Alowishus> mrayzenoss: hm okay, this is a bit new to me still... so you're saying that I should add a COMMAND data source to the Device template, and then add graphs for the values?
[10-Nov-2009 11:10:01] <mrayzenoss> yeah
[10-Nov-2009 11:10:25] <mrayzenoss> Alowishus: docs/DOC-3908
[10-Nov-2009 11:10:33] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 6.2 2 Performance Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[10-Nov-2009 11:10:34] <mrayzenoss> the Admin Guide covers adding custom data sources
[10-Nov-2009 11:10:49] <mrayzenoss> I'm doing the Getting Started Webinar in 45 minutes, I usually cover it there too
[10-Nov-2009 11:10:58] <mrayzenoss> http://forms.zenoss.com/getting-started
[10-Nov-2009 11:11:02] <Alowishus> mrayzenoss: only other question I have is that there appears to be a zenoss.cmd.linux.memory zCollectorPlugin in place... is that useful to me at all?
[10-Nov-2009 11:11:10] <adytum-bot> Title: Getting Started with Zenoss (at forms.zenoss.com)
[10-Nov-2009 11:11:28] <Alowishus> mrayzenoss: ok I'll take a look at all that, and see if I can zip into the webinar
[10-Nov-2009 11:11:38] <mrayzenoss> Alowishus: that would be pulling the memory value on your hardware tab
[10-Nov-2009 11:12:05] <mrayzenoss> there really should be a memory graph on the default Linux SSH though
[10-Nov-2009 11:12:19] * mrayzenoss adds that to his enormous Todo list
[10-Nov-2009 11:12:27] <Alowishus> hehe
[10-Nov-2009 11:12:30] <cmdln> while your at it
[10-Nov-2009 11:12:33] <cmdln> add iowait monitoring
[10-Nov-2009 11:12:34] <cmdln> lol
[10-Nov-2009 11:12:56] <cmdln> that should be available in newer snmp stuff I think
[10-Nov-2009 11:13:21] <mrayzenoss> cmdln: message/41671#41671
[10-Nov-2009 11:13:29] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Graph I/O Performance? (at community.zenoss.org)
[10-Nov-2009 11:13:48] <mrayzenoss> but that would be a good enhancement
[10-Nov-2009 11:13:58] <cmdln> yeah they are integrating it into standard snmp i believe
[10-Nov-2009 11:14:21] <cmdln> thats just extending
[10-Nov-2009 11:14:26] <cmdln> which is what I would do
[10-Nov-2009 11:14:51] <cmdln> actually must do either that or a command right now, but after the io stuff is in native snmp data it will be nice
[10-Nov-2009 11:15:06] <jrock2004> How can I uninstall ZenPacks.zenoss.LinuxMonitor>=1.
[10-Nov-2009 11:15:31] <jrock2004> it has failed to install zenpack -- uninstall LinuxMonitor
[10-Nov-2009 11:18:26] <rmatte> jrock2004: define "failed to install"
[10-Nov-2009 11:18:50] <rmatte> jrock2004: after installing a ZenPack you should restart Zenoss, otherwise it'll show up as "broken"
[10-Nov-2009 11:19:21] <jrock2004> when I installed the LinuxMonitor I start to get some python errors
[10-Nov-2009 11:19:25] <rmatte> jrock2004: some simple packs like template packs don't require a restart, but something like the LinuxMonitor pack does since it installs collector plugins which won't work unless you restart
[10-Nov-2009 11:19:32] <rmatte> pastebin the python errors
[10-Nov-2009 11:19:40] <mrayzenoss> yeah, shouldn't get python errors
[10-Nov-2009 11:19:47] <jrock2004> Let me install it again
[10-Nov-2009 11:22:13] <jrock2004> http://pastebin.ca/1665115
[10-Nov-2009 11:22:17] <rmatte> nice, I'm going with my friend to an all you can eat sushi place for lunch
[10-Nov-2009 11:22:20] <rmatte> mmmm, sushi
[10-Nov-2009 11:22:21] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Something - post number 1665115 (at pastebin.ca)
[10-Nov-2009 11:22:31] <rmatte> checking...
[10-Nov-2009 11:22:54] <jrock2004> k
[10-Nov-2009 11:23:28] <rmatte> have you tried removing the pack after the restart?
[10-Nov-2009 11:23:56] <rmatte> hmmm, I've seen that blocked message before...
[10-Nov-2009 11:24:23] * jrock2004 smacks himself
[10-Nov-2009 11:24:27] <rmatte> you are trying to install it as the zenoss user right?
[10-Nov-2009 11:24:33] <rmatte> you're not doing it as root or something?
[10-Nov-2009 11:25:05] <jrock2004> Well before you install an addon you need the LinuxMonitor installed LOL
[10-Nov-2009 11:25:15] <rmatte> oh, obviously
[10-Nov-2009 11:25:27] * jrock2004 smacks himself again
[10-Nov-2009 11:25:38] <rmatte> ah I see, it was running out trying to get a dependency pack from http://pypi.python.org/simple/
[10-Nov-2009 11:25:38] <rmatte> :P
[10-Nov-2009 11:25:46] <adytum-bot> Title: Simple Index (at pypi.python.org)
[10-Nov-2009 11:30:04] <kobalt> is there a way to set a template for a class, I have some devices that have some issues, waiting on the support to fix them (some of the oid's are not collection like IfInErrors, the device just does not respond to it) so I need to disable the snmp polling for about 55 devices
[10-Nov-2009 11:30:51] <jrock2004> I know this can be done I just cannot remember. Can you bind templates to individual devices instead of the whole class?
[10-Nov-2009 11:31:05] <kobalt> yes you can
[10-Nov-2009 11:31:31] <kobalt> I just dont want to create a local copy then modify it X55
[10-Nov-2009 11:32:44] <mrayzenoss> kobalt: create a sub-organizer of the current device class, remove the offending monitoring and move the 55 devices into it
[10-Nov-2009 11:33:05] <kobalt> I have the sub orginizer created
[10-Nov-2009 11:33:41] <kobalt> so for instance i have /devices/network/825
[10-Nov-2009 11:34:17] <kobalt> but how do I tell it from there to not collect the offending oids
[10-Nov-2009 11:34:34] <kobalt> its the ethernet template but only like 3 data points
[10-Nov-2009 11:35:25] <rmatte> kobalt: just copy the ethernet template from /Devices to /Devices/Network/825
[10-Nov-2009 11:35:30] <rmatte> then modify it
[10-Nov-2009 11:35:46] <rmatte> (though it will apply to all ethernet interfaces on those devices)
[10-Nov-2009 11:35:59] <kobalt> thats what I want
[10-Nov-2009 11:36:10] <rmatte> ok, then just follow what I said
[10-Nov-2009 11:36:12] <rmatte> and it'll be fine
[10-Nov-2009 11:36:15] <jrock2004> Does the Apache zencore pack give you the ability to graph apache stuff?
[10-Nov-2009 11:36:22] <rmatte> jrock2004: yes
[10-Nov-2009 11:40:22] <jrock2004> Ah I am looking in forum and it says I need to bind device to the apache template
[10-Nov-2009 11:41:47] <jrock2004> Hmm but I dont see a template for apache. I wonder if there is another addon I need to install to get that template
[10-Nov-2009 11:48:41] <kobalt> wee time to fill out another bug lol
[10-Nov-2009 11:50:38] <rmatte> lol
[10-Nov-2009 11:50:56] <rmatte> kobalt: it's not technically a bug by the way
[10-Nov-2009 11:51:06] <kobalt> rmatte: not that
[10-Nov-2009 11:51:11] <rmatte> kobalt: ah ok
[10-Nov-2009 11:51:11] <kobalt> rmatte: sorry hehe
[10-Nov-2009 11:51:50] <rmatte> jrock2004: there's probably a group that was added by the ZenPack which contains the template
[10-Nov-2009 11:51:50] <kobalt> rmatte: I found that you cant close events if you filter them by typing in the filter feild then select and event and hit close it gives a error
[10-Nov-2009 11:52:02] <rmatte> /Devices/App/Apache or something
[10-Nov-2009 11:52:26] <rmatte> kobalt: really? hmmmm
[10-Nov-2009 11:52:27] <jrock2004> I just installed in the Apache ZenPack even though the site says it should be installed by default
[10-Nov-2009 11:52:34] <jrock2004> At least the way I take it
[10-Nov-2009 11:52:47] <rmatte> hunh?
[10-Nov-2009 11:52:48] <jrock2004> Well off to lunch
[10-Nov-2009 11:52:59] <jrock2004> community/zenpacks
[10-Nov-2009 11:53:00] <kobalt> rmatte: if there is more the 100 selected
[10-Nov-2009 11:53:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: ZenPacks (at community.zenoss.org)
[10-Nov-2009 11:53:13] <jrock2004> ah it was a misread
[10-Nov-2009 11:53:29] <jrock2004> I seem to do that a lot
[10-Nov-2009 11:53:37] <rmatte> kobalt: yeh, deleting while filtered worked perfectly fine for me
[10-Nov-2009 11:53:51] <kobalt> rmatte: more the 100 events?
[10-Nov-2009 11:53:55] <jrock2004> Those are a list of the zenpacks provided by Zenoss themselfs
[10-Nov-2009 11:54:12] <rmatte> kobalt: no, I don't have more than 100 events on my King Crab test box
[10-Nov-2009 11:54:12] <kobalt> rmatte: was deleting all the error reading after I fixed the template
[10-Nov-2009 11:54:22] <rmatte> I see
[10-Nov-2009 11:56:09] <rmatte> hmmm, just found yet another bug with the event console lol
[10-Nov-2009 11:56:14] <rmatte> oh well, I'll log it later
[10-Nov-2009 11:56:18] <mrayzenoss> updated community/zenpacks with tags, let me know what you think
[10-Nov-2009 11:56:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: ZenPacks (at community.zenoss.org)
[10-Nov-2009 11:56:28] <kobalt> what you find rmatte
[10-Nov-2009 11:56:33] <mrayzenoss> now I gotta run to the webinar
[10-Nov-2009 11:57:01] <rmatte> kobalt: when you go to configure, save this configuration, and click on the link that it gives you the tabs above the event console aren't hidden when they should be
[10-Nov-2009 11:58:00] <kobalt> rmatte: you mean the mapping and classes tabs
[10-Nov-2009 11:58:24] <rmatte> anyways, sushi time
[10-Nov-2009 11:58:25] <rmatte> bbl
[10-Nov-2009 11:58:33] <rmatte> yes, those tabs shouldn't be there
[10-Nov-2009 12:00:01] <kobalt> is the preformace templates suppose to throw clears even if the threshold has not been crossed?
[10-Nov-2009 12:09:42] <daMaestro> anyone collecting stats from akamai and graphing in zenoss?
[10-Nov-2009 12:10:56] <daMaestro> i mean, i see the MIB.. but they have this whole java crap to actually do the polling
[10-Nov-2009 12:10:58] <daMaestro> https://control.akamai.com/dl/customers/other/ecmib/Akamai-EdgeControlMIB.mib
[10-Nov-2009 12:11:15] <adytum-bot> Title: Welcome to Akamai EdgeControl (at control.akamai.com)
[10-Nov-2009 12:16:27] <RoundQube> I set fa0/9 on my switch to unmonitored, how do I stop the events from being emailed out as well?
[10-Nov-2009 12:32:39] <jrock2004> Ok I am back. Had to install update to 10.6.2 for snow leopard
[10-Nov-2009 12:33:14] <kobalt> we jrock2004
[10-Nov-2009 12:33:17] <kobalt> err wb
[10-Nov-2009 12:34:01] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Are you here?
[10-Nov-2009 12:37:16] <jrock2004> kobalt: thanks
[10-Nov-2009 12:41:15] jrock2004_ is now known as jrock2004
[10-Nov-2009 12:58:07] <pokui> jrock2004: afaik mrayzenoss is giving a webebex demo right now
[10-Nov-2009 12:58:43] <jrock2004> Thanks
[10-Nov-2009 13:01:45] <mrayzenoss> I'm done with the webinar, what's up?
[10-Nov-2009 13:05:19] <jrock2004> yesterday I ran into an issue with the dashboard and a portlet
[10-Nov-2009 13:05:32] <jrock2004> I set a portlet to my gmail address
[10-Nov-2009 13:05:39] <mrayzenoss> yeah, I saw that
[10-Nov-2009 13:06:13] <jrock2004> Thought I would mention for possibly something in the future in the settings to disable some portlets
[10-Nov-2009 13:07:49] <jrock2004> I thought it would be cool to have my email load as a portlet and then my ticket system
[10-Nov-2009 13:08:03] <jrock2004> This way all I need is zenoss open and nothing else
[10-Nov-2009 13:23:39] <jrock2004> Is there anything in the docs about how to create custom commands and show the output like in the os tab?
[10-Nov-2009 13:30:09] <rmatte> jrock2004: yeh, the Zenoss development guide, good luck though
[10-Nov-2009 13:30:15] <rmatte> it's advanced stuff
[10-Nov-2009 13:30:25] <rmatte> there's no simple way to do it
[10-Nov-2009 13:30:41] <rmatte> I'm not even at that level yet
[10-Nov-2009 13:31:03] <jrock2004> I am assuming that inegrating the output to one of the tabs is the hard part?
[10-Nov-2009 13:33:04] <rmatte> the fact that you have to actually code a collector plugin to collect the data and code the GUI components yourself
[10-Nov-2009 13:37:03] <rmatte> I picked up modern warfare 2 during lunch, can't wait to play it when I get home
[10-Nov-2009 13:40:24] <mrayzenoss> I'm a bit slow on the game uptake… I just finished Portal from the Orange Box
[10-Nov-2009 13:40:50] <mrayzenoss> haven't even played Modern Warfare 1
[10-Nov-2009 13:40:56] <jrock2004> I heard that modern warfare got bad reviews
[10-Nov-2009 13:42:27] <mrayzenoss> I'll let you know in a few years when I play it :)
[10-Nov-2009 13:42:47] <mrayzenoss> I average about 2 hours of video games a week
[10-Nov-2009 13:42:56] <mrayzenoss> so it may be awhile
[10-Nov-2009 13:43:07] <rmatte> portal is an amazing game
[10-Nov-2009 13:43:12] <rmatte> I finished that like a year ago
[10-Nov-2009 13:43:26] <mrayzenoss> I think Half Life 2 is next for me
[10-Nov-2009 13:43:42] <rmatte> you should really get Modern Warfare 2, it'll blow your mind
[10-Nov-2009 13:45:58] <rmatte> omg, they still have some of these left:
[10-Nov-2009 13:45:59] <rmatte> http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Warfare-Prestige-Playstation-3/dp/B002HEWAD2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1257882063&sr=1-7
[10-Nov-2009 13:46:04] <rmatte> comes with working nightvision goggles
[10-Nov-2009 13:46:05] <rmatte> lol
[10-Nov-2009 13:47:12] <jrock2004> I am waiting for Assasins creed 2
[10-Nov-2009 13:47:20] <chudler> is MW2 actually a good game? I've been looking for a diversion lately..
[10-Nov-2009 13:47:38] <chudler> Its either that or Dragon Age
[10-Nov-2009 13:48:33] <rmatte> chudler: well, call of duty 4 which was the sequel to it was incredible, and MW2 has had perfect reviews so far
[10-Nov-2009 13:49:27] <mrayzenoss> http://www.theonion.com/content/video/ultra_realistic_modern_warfare
[10-Nov-2009 13:49:44] <adytum-bot> Title: Ultra-Realistic Modern Warfare Game Features Awaiting Orders, Repairing Trucks | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (at www.theonion.com)
[10-Nov-2009 13:49:53] <jrock2004> rmatte: I heard that online gameplay is not going to be free. Is this true since you have the box
[10-Nov-2009 13:50:59] <rmatte> jrock2004: for PS3 you mean?
[10-Nov-2009 13:51:09] <jrock2004> Yeah
[10-Nov-2009 13:51:23] <jrock2004> I heard somewhere that online play for this version was not going to be dree
[10-Nov-2009 13:51:26] <jrock2004> *free
[10-Nov-2009 13:51:42] <rmatte> that rumour has been floating around for ages, the thing is that really, Sony doesn't run any servers for most of the bigger games, the games are hosted by players on their PS3s
[10-Nov-2009 13:51:53] <rmatte> It's not like XBox Live where they host premium servers
[10-Nov-2009 13:51:56] <rmatte> so I highly doubt it
[10-Nov-2009 13:52:07] <rmatte> nothing has been announced by Sony at all, so it's just a rumour at this point
[10-Nov-2009 13:52:12] <jrock2004> so I am assuming your an ps3 owner?
[10-Nov-2009 13:52:26] <rmatte> correct
[10-Nov-2009 13:52:30] <rmatte> I love my ps3
[10-Nov-2009 13:52:50] <rmatte> I've got one of the first gen PS3s (bought it back just after it was released)
[10-Nov-2009 13:53:03] <jrock2004> I am so glad I was not talked into getting a xbox. I smartly chose ps3
[10-Nov-2009 13:53:42] <jrock2004> Well if you want you can add me to your ps3 list. My name is jrock2004 lol
[10-Nov-2009 13:53:44] <rmatte> yeh, ps3 will eventually be doing just as well if not better than xbox, it's just a matter of time
[10-Nov-2009 13:53:55] <rmatte> xbox has been around for like a year or two longer
[10-Nov-2009 13:54:04] <rmatte> cool, I'll add you
[10-Nov-2009 13:54:23] * mrayzenoss is a lonely xbox owner
[10-Nov-2009 13:54:49] <jrock2004> red ring turned me away from xbox
[10-Nov-2009 13:54:52] <rmatte> my friend still has an xbox
[10-Nov-2009 13:54:59] <rmatte> (the original)
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:08] <chudler> I have the 360. I've never even seen a ps3 so I guess I dont know what I am missing.
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:14] <mrayzenoss> I've been lucky I guess, I didn't get one until about 6 months ago
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:19] <mrayzenoss> no problems
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:40] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: original xbox or xbox360?
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:43] <mrayzenoss> 360
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:51] <rmatte> buy MW2!!!
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:51] <mrayzenoss> I really wanted to play Left4Dead
[10-Nov-2009 13:55:52] <rmatte> :)
[10-Nov-2009 13:56:09] <rmatte> yeh, Left4Dead was alright but I got bored of it fairly quickly
[10-Nov-2009 13:56:25] <rmatte> and I don't even own the game, but I played it a lot at my friend's place
[10-Nov-2009 13:56:30] <chudler> same here. I dont get what everyone liked about it so much. it was cheap?
[10-Nov-2009 13:56:40] <rmatte> Valve is not really impressing me with their anti-ps3 attitude
[10-Nov-2009 13:56:44] <mrayzenoss> I was playing it a lot for awhile, got my money's worth
[10-Nov-2009 13:57:05] <mrayzenoss> online in co-op mode with friends
[10-Nov-2009 13:57:09] <rmatte> I've hit 6th prestige on CoD4, so I've definitely gotten my money's worth on that game
[10-Nov-2009 13:57:21] <rmatte> (hit level 55 5 times)
[10-Nov-2009 13:57:48] <rmatte> guess I saw goodbye to cod4 tonight and hello to mw2
[10-Nov-2009 13:57:54] <rmatte> s/saw/say
[10-Nov-2009 13:58:04] <rmatte> co-op is always a lot of fun
[10-Nov-2009 13:58:09] <rmatte> one of my favourite game styles
[10-Nov-2009 13:58:57] rhettardo_ is now known as rhettardo
[10-Nov-2009 14:07:10] * zenethian would buy a PS3 if it had some good games on it.
[10-Nov-2009 14:07:27] <jrock2004> rmatte: ever play assasins creed?
[10-Nov-2009 14:08:45] <rmatte> jrock2004: yeh, I was near beating it and my brother wrote over my game
[10-Nov-2009 14:08:51] <rmatte> :P
[10-Nov-2009 14:09:04] <rmatte> I can't wait for the new one, it's due out in 7 days
[10-Nov-2009 14:09:21] <rmatte> going to be good
[10-Nov-2009 14:09:46] <jrock2004> Yeah I have it preordered
[10-Nov-2009 14:10:28] <jrock2004> I am going to put modern warfare on gamefly list
[10-Nov-2009 14:11:05] <rmatte> I anticipate wasting the rest of my weeknights and most of the weekend this week playing MW2
[10-Nov-2009 14:24:37] <cgibbons> hmmm
[10-Nov-2009 14:24:58] <jrock2004> Downloaded the printer zenpack and when I unzip the file its an xml file
[10-Nov-2009 14:25:02] <jrock2004> how do I import that
[10-Nov-2009 14:25:15] <jrock2004> docs/DOC-3380
[10-Nov-2009 14:25:22] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Generic Printer Monitor (at community.zenoss.org)
[10-Nov-2009 14:46:12] <pokui> hmm. running the stack installer --help doesn't seem to indicate which options you could use if you want an external mysql database. is that possible?
[10-Nov-2009 14:48:40] <jrock2004> Anyone here using the printer toner zenpack? I am getting -2 for both options
[10-Nov-2009 14:56:18] <jrock2004> When I do an snmpwalk I am getting negative numbers. Is this is an issue with my snmp server or the client?
[10-Nov-2009 15:06:04] <kobalt> so I have a system question, I will be monitoring probably 2250 devices, 95% switches. currently my server has dual xeon dual core 1.8 ghz will this be enough with maxed (32gb) ram?
[10-Nov-2009 15:08:02] <ckrough> a lot of that will depend on how many datapoints you are going to monitor, how long you are keeping the data, and how frequently you collect it
[10-Nov-2009 15:08:26] <ckrough> 2250 devices will probably requirement multiple servers
[10-Nov-2009 15:08:31] <ckrough> *require* I mean
[10-Nov-2009 15:10:02] <rmatte> well, multiple collectors anyways
[10-Nov-2009 15:10:13] <rmatte> if he has 32GB of RAM I doubt he'll need multiple servers
[10-Nov-2009 15:10:29] <ckrough> tinkering with solid state for the collectors
[10-Nov-2009 15:10:47] <ckrough> for that many switches? yeah he will
[10-Nov-2009 15:10:51] <ckrough> disk io...
[10-Nov-2009 15:10:55] <ckrough> collectors that is
[10-Nov-2009 15:10:59] <ckrough> not zenhub
[10-Nov-2009 15:11:45] <rmatte> yeh
[10-Nov-2009 15:12:16] <rmatte> jrock2004: snmp server issue obviously
[10-Nov-2009 15:13:01] <rmatte> pokui: you'd probably have to set that up by hand after installing
[10-Nov-2009 15:13:12] <rmatte> pokui: I doubt the stack installer supports that at install time
[10-Nov-2009 15:14:53] <kobalt> well with 6 gigs of ran and about 1300 devices 90% switches Zenoss is doing pretty good starting to lag a bit
[10-Nov-2009 15:16:03] <jrock2004> rmatte: I am thinking it might be the way the plugin is coded
[10-Nov-2009 15:16:14] <jrock2004> I did an snmpwalk and I get the -2
[10-Nov-2009 15:16:58] <rmatte> you just said that you get -2 no matter what
[10-Nov-2009 15:17:21] <jrock2004> yeah it is an old printer Gestetner 635gdm
[10-Nov-2009 15:17:24] <jrock2004> gsm
[10-Nov-2009 15:17:45] <rmatte> ok, just to straighten things out, it should be a positive value I assume?
[10-Nov-2009 15:19:07] <jrock2004> I am guessing
[10-Nov-2009 15:19:26] <jrock2004> cause I am getting an event if I enable the printer toner plugin
[10-Nov-2009 15:19:43] <rmatte> well, if you're getting that value from an actual snmpwalk then that's the value that the device is spitting out
[10-Nov-2009 15:19:50] <rmatte> so it's definitely not a Zenoss problem
[10-Nov-2009 15:21:00] <jrock2004> while I got your attention. I saw a zenpack for general printer and when I downloaded, there is no egg file
[10-Nov-2009 15:21:13] <rmatte> it's just a .zip?
[10-Nov-2009 15:21:45] <jrock2004> it was a zip but then when I unzip it there is an objects folder and in there is an xml file
[10-Nov-2009 15:21:52] <rmatte> then it's an old style ZenPack, which is basically no longer supported. .zip ZenPacks won't even work in 2.6.
[10-Nov-2009 15:22:08] <rmatte> they'll install in 2.5, but it's recommended to stay away from them
[10-Nov-2009 15:22:08] <ke4qqq> jrock2004: the printer mib specifies multiple ways that values can be returned -2 is a valid status for one of those ways - I don't recall if that zenpack supports interpreting all of the potential ways toner level can be represented.
[10-Nov-2009 15:22:19] <rmatte> they should eventually all get converted hopefully
[10-Nov-2009 15:22:35] <rmatte> the older ZenPacks tend to be lower quality anyways
[10-Nov-2009 15:22:53] <gwb2352> if anybody knows of a good (recent/new) printer monitoring zenpack please point me in that direction :)
[10-Nov-2009 15:23:13] <rmatte> the current is the newest
[10-Nov-2009 15:23:53] <gwb2352> docs/DOC-3424 ?
[10-Nov-2009 15:23:59] <jrock2004> Yeah I would love to be able to do some good monitoring of printers
[10-Nov-2009 15:24:00] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Printer Toner (at community.zenoss.org)
[10-Nov-2009 15:24:36] <rmatte> gwb2352: yes, that one is the only one, the old .zip one is probably garbage
[10-Nov-2009 15:24:43] <ke4qqq> gwb2352: at my last $dayjob I had to do it by hand for each class of printers.
[10-Nov-2009 15:24:56] <jrock2004> gwb2352: that is what we were just talking about. ke4qqq gives you the reason why that is not really good
[10-Nov-2009 15:24:58] Bryanstein is now known as zz_Bryanstein
[10-Nov-2009 15:26:27] <gwb2352> btw, the issue I was having with users/groups/AD authentication and auto-binding of global roles was fixed by support; there were accounts still in the zopedb (removed from the web gui) that were messing up the role assignment when adding a user (no roles assigned) to a group.
[10-Nov-2009 15:28:53] <rmatte> welcome back Matt, how did the webinar go?
[10-Nov-2009 15:30:34] <mrayzenoss> it was fine
[10-Nov-2009 15:30:43] <mrayzenoss> nothing earth-shattering
[10-Nov-2009 15:30:45] <gwb2352> https://monitorhost/zport/acl_users/roleManager/roleManager/manage_roles
[10-Nov-2009 15:30:47] <rmatte> cool
[10-Nov-2009 15:31:06] <gwb2352> had some accounts that no longer existed, mucking up the role assignment
[10-Nov-2009 15:31:43] <rmatte> ah
[10-Nov-2009 15:33:13] <jrock2004> rmatte: have you used the advance device details zenpack?
[10-Nov-2009 15:33:58] <rmatte> nope
[10-Nov-2009 15:34:07] <rmatte> it's a framework that's used by other ZenPacks
[10-Nov-2009 15:34:12] <rmatte> but there's still coding involved to use it
[10-Nov-2009 15:37:34] <jrock2004> Yeah I noticed that cause I added it and I see no changes
[10-Nov-2009 15:38:00] <rmatte> yeh, you won't
[10-Nov-2009 15:38:05] <rmatte> read the description of the pack
[10-Nov-2009 15:38:09] <rmatte> it explains exactly what it is
[10-Nov-2009 15:38:27] <jrock2004> I was hoping it would work cause it stated it would show cpu voltages and stuff
[10-Nov-2009 15:38:50] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: I like the new tags that you've added to the zenpacks area
[10-Nov-2009 15:39:20] <rmatte> jrock2004: where does it even say that?
[10-Nov-2009 15:39:23] <rmatte> it says:
[10-Nov-2009 15:39:26] <rmatte> "This ZenPack is currently used by the HP ProLiant Monitor ZenPack and Dell Monitor ZenPack (among others) to display additional hardware details and could be used by other ZenPacks as well. Examples of details include:"
[10-Nov-2009 15:39:45] <rmatte> and it goes on to list examples
[10-Nov-2009 15:40:24] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: thanks… I'm trying to find the right CSS to make a nice looking table
[10-Nov-2009 15:40:27] <jrock2004> that is the hp proliant that gives you that info
[10-Nov-2009 15:40:37] <rmatte> correct
[10-Nov-2009 15:41:10] <rmatte> table for the tags?
[10-Nov-2009 15:41:22] <rmatte> you can't just use the editor to create the table?
[10-Nov-2009 15:42:02] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: what wabout putting some more padding in the table
[10-Nov-2009 15:42:44] <mrayzenoss> see how the tables below are formatted? that's because they're in a Jive widget. The top section is raw HTML, so it doesn't get the nice CSS effects applied. Trying to figure that out
[10-Nov-2009 15:43:08] <rmatte> ah
[10-Nov-2009 15:43:09] <rmatte> gotcha
[10-Nov-2009 15:43:31] <mrayzenoss> if I say border=1, it looks like 1994 HTML
[10-Nov-2009 15:43:32] <rmatte> css effect for the text you mean?
[10-Nov-2009 15:43:36] <mrayzenoss> for the tables
[10-Nov-2009 15:43:37] <rmatte> ohhh
[10-Nov-2009 15:44:06] <rmatte> you know, you can just do view page source
[10-Nov-2009 15:44:14] <mrayzenoss> yeah, that's where I'm looking
[10-Nov-2009 15:44:18] <rmatte> Jive needs to render it in to CSS so that the browser can understand it hehe
[10-Nov-2009 15:44:22] <mrayzenoss> View Selection Source, even better
[10-Nov-2009 15:44:50] <jrock2004> wow jive loves nested divs
[10-Nov-2009 15:45:15] <rmatte> <p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"> </p><table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" style="border: 1px solid #000000; width: 100%;"><tbody><tr><th align="center" style="background-color: #6690bc;" valign="middle"><span style="color: #ffffff;">Published ZenPacks</span></th><th align="center" style="background-color: #6690bc;" valign="middle">
[10-Nov-2009 15:45:19] <rmatte> it's somewhere in there
[10-Nov-2009 15:45:48] <jrock2004> id="jive-widgetframe-body_5237"
[10-Nov-2009 15:45:50] <rmatte> style="border: 1px
[10-Nov-2009 15:45:50] <rmatte> solid #000000; width: 100%;"
[10-Nov-2009 15:45:54] <rmatte> that's what you want
[10-Nov-2009 15:45:55] <rmatte> style
[10-Nov-2009 15:46:06] <rmatte> (that's all one line)
[10-Nov-2009 15:50:12] <mrayzenoss> I think I like the tags with no borders… comments?
[10-Nov-2009 15:51:01] <rmatte> haha
[10-Nov-2009 15:51:05] <rmatte> it works fine without
[10-Nov-2009 15:51:37] <rmatte> it looks nice now that it's more spread out
[10-Nov-2009 15:51:48] <mrayzenoss> that's what I was going for mostly
[10-Nov-2009 15:51:51] <mrayzenoss> it was kinda cramped
[10-Nov-2009 15:51:54] <rmatte> yeh
[10-Nov-2009 15:52:34] <jrock2004> I like it
[10-Nov-2009 15:52:59] <mrayzenoss> ok, I'm done with tags, next task… posting new Zen Masters on the blog
[10-Nov-2009 15:53:11] <mrayzenoss> and getting beta t-shirts mailed out
[10-Nov-2009 15:53:17] <rmatte> hmmm weird
[10-Nov-2009 15:53:30] <rmatte> if I click on Windows the Windows SNMP Performance Monitor (Advanced) shows up twice
[10-Nov-2009 15:55:54] <mrayzenoss> weird
[10-Nov-2009 15:55:59] <rmatte> yeh
[10-Nov-2009 15:56:07] <rmatte> is it like tagged twice or something?
[10-Nov-2009 15:56:31] <mrayzenoss> not that I see, and both links go to the same doc
[10-Nov-2009 16:00:40] <rmatte> hmmm
[10-Nov-2009 16:06:01] <rmatte> I'm out of here folks, take care.
[10-Nov-2009 16:11:03] <jrock2004> See ya
[10-Nov-2009 16:11:10] <mrayzenoss> later
[10-Nov-2009 16:30:05] <jrock2004> Man this twill language sounds awesome
[10-Nov-2009 16:42:39] <kobalt> this is strange Im getting a zenjmx heartbeat failure.... I dont have the zenpack for jmx installed
[10-Nov-2009 16:43:05] <jbobjensen> \bye
[10-Nov-2009 18:06:35] <zuez> hi all. receiving this error when trying to restart zenoss after installing DellMonitor zenpack: http://pastie.textmate.org/692939
[10-Nov-2009 18:06:43] <adytum-bot> Title: #692939 - Pastie (at pastie.textmate.org)
[10-Nov-2009 18:07:13] <zuez> this is how the actual install error'd http://pastie.textmate.org/692941
[10-Nov-2009 18:07:17] <zuez> not having much luck googling it
[10-Nov-2009 18:07:20] <adytum-bot> Title: #692941 - Pastie (at pastie.textmate.org)
[10-Nov-2009 18:09:37] <zuez> Maybe I need the advanced details zenpack to get this to work
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[11-Nov-2009 05:17:02] <at88> hi all i have stange broblem with zenoss
[11-Nov-2009 05:17:27] <at88> 2009-11-11 17:04:32 ERROR zen.ZenModeler
[11-Nov-2009 05:17:27] <at88> Remote exception: sre_constants.error: unbalanced parenthesisTraceback
[11-Nov-2009 05:18:23] <at88> ive googled, upgraded to zenoss 2.5 but nothing happend, could somebody help me?
[11-Nov-2009 05:20:47] <at88> cat /etc/debian_version
[11-Nov-2009 05:20:47] <at88> 5.0.2
[11-Nov-2009 05:24:38] <at88> i've forgot to say this happens when i try to model device
[11-Nov-2009 05:25:07] <tr|ck> hi to all
[11-Nov-2009 05:26:07] <at88> hi!
[11-Nov-2009 05:26:20] <tr|ck> I was wondering if there's a way to reach the old zenoss site documentation...
[11-Nov-2009 05:29:28] <tr|ck> never mind, found it all, thanks anyway.
[11-Nov-2009 05:56:39] <at88> 20$ who helps me
[11-Nov-2009 05:56:51] <at88> :)
[11-Nov-2009 08:02:59] crow2 is now known as ckrough
[11-Nov-2009 08:22:52] * zenethian pours moar coffee
[11-Nov-2009 08:25:56] <jrock2004> rmatte: Well how is new Call of Duty?
[11-Nov-2009 08:35:23] <ke4qqq> rmatte must still be playing
[11-Nov-2009 08:35:45] <jrock2004> lol
[11-Nov-2009 08:59:02] <jrock2004> Anyone here use SNMP informant?
[11-Nov-2009 09:14:32] <mrayzenoss> morning all
[11-Nov-2009 09:14:41] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: per your suggestion, ratings are now at the top of pages
[11-Nov-2009 09:16:49] <MattD> jrock2004: I do, but don't know how much help I can be.
[11-Nov-2009 09:16:58] MattD is now known as mdereus
[11-Nov-2009 09:17:32] <jrock2004> Well I installed it on my windows server but now how do I get the added information that this application gives you? Does it do it automatically
[11-Nov-2009 09:22:24] jrock2004_ is now known as jrock2004
[11-Nov-2009 09:29:33] kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal
[11-Nov-2009 09:30:06] <zuez> where's the best place to look up how to actually apply this ZenPacks (DellMon) to a bunch of devices?
[11-Nov-2009 09:30:32] <jrock2004> mdereus: Any ideas?
[11-Nov-2009 09:41:56] <mrayzenoss> zuez: just bind it to the device class and the devices in that class will use it
[11-Nov-2009 09:42:22] <mrayzenoss> 5.2.1 of the admin guide
[11-Nov-2009 09:42:35] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3907#d4e2411
[11-Nov-2009 09:43:02] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 5.2 2 Templates (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 09:43:50] <jrock2004> Synthetic Web Transactions is a cool plugin
[11-Nov-2009 09:43:58] <mrayzenoss> very cool
[11-Nov-2009 09:44:04] <mrayzenoss> glad there's finally a community version
[11-Nov-2009 09:44:12] <jrock2004> just a little upset that your devices has to be in /Websites
[11-Nov-2009 09:44:36] <zuez> Ah, I think the problem is I was a retard and haven't installed Dell OpenManage
[11-Nov-2009 09:45:06] <jrock2004> zuez: I have made mistakes like that too so do not feel so bad ;)
[11-Nov-2009 09:46:41] <zuez> Yeah, now the question stands on whether or not Dell OpenManage exists for Ubuntu
[11-Nov-2009 09:46:50] <zuez> Because if I had to guess, they only have RPMs available
[11-Nov-2009 09:48:44] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Do you use that plugin?
[11-Nov-2009 09:50:36] <mdereus> jrock2004: I installed SNMP Informant and it just works. *shrug*
[11-Nov-2009 09:51:17] <mdereus> I haven't gotten too in depth with monitoring a ton of stuff other than if a critical service fails or a server is unreachable.
[11-Nov-2009 09:51:20] <jrock2004> mdereus: ok I will have to look cause I am getting no different information. hmmm
[11-Nov-2009 09:51:40] <mdereus> well it won't magically show you "more" information, you have to set up Zenoss to ask for it
[11-Nov-2009 09:51:47] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: nope, no Dell hardware under my control
[11-Nov-2009 09:52:48] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: oh no I was talking about the Synthetic Web Transactions
[11-Nov-2009 09:53:18] <jrock2004> mdereus: ah ok. So how would I go about doing that. Is there a doc to tell me how
[11-Nov-2009 09:53:31] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: when it came in I tested it just to see how it compared with the one in Enterprise
[11-Nov-2009 09:54:32] <jrock2004> ah. I would hate to move all my linux servers from the linux class to the website. Is there a way to add the device to 2 classes?
[11-Nov-2009 09:55:10] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: is there an internal and external URL for the server? maybe that would work?
[11-Nov-2009 09:55:53] <jrock2004> No the servers are hosted in another state so all they have is an external address
[11-Nov-2009 09:57:59] <jrock2004> mdereus: found some info in admin guide thanks
[11-Nov-2009 10:02:28] <jrock2004> mdereus: So it appears that I need to add the data sources manually for what I need to monitor. Is this correct?
[11-Nov-2009 10:07:32] <kobalt> anyone know what is causing this error in my zenperfsnmp.log http://pastebin.com/df0d5444
[11-Nov-2009 10:07:42] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[11-Nov-2009 10:08:05] <mdereus> jrock2004: Pretty much, I have only used the SNMP zenpacks that are offered on the site.
[11-Nov-2009 10:09:18] <jrock2004> mdereus: same here. Unfortunately there is no zenpack for snmpinformant. So I installed snmp informant on my Windows server and now need to communicate to it
[11-Nov-2009 10:10:35] <mdereus> There isn't an "SNMP-informant" zenpack, Informant allows Zenoss to retrieve SNMP data from Windows that the regular SNMP service doesn't.
[11-Nov-2009 10:11:14] <mdereus> What data are you looking to monitor?
[11-Nov-2009 10:12:49] <jrock2004> Well I would like to get cpu and memory usage working
[11-Nov-2009 10:13:03] <jrock2004> I found out that the oid for the memory is 1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.2
[11-Nov-2009 10:13:32] <jrock2004> when I snmpwalk that I get SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9600.1.1.2.2.0 = Gauge32: 331924
[11-Nov-2009 10:19:41] <jrock2004> Well I am getting an event that is telling me error reading value for oid 1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.2 is bad
[11-Nov-2009 10:21:46] <l2huynh> I know a lot of people are doing redundant internet to send email alert through a backup internet connection if the primary one went down. So can anyone give me some pointer on how to do this?
[11-Nov-2009 10:30:11] <jrock2004> Wondering if I should look into WMI instead of SNMP
[11-Nov-2009 10:31:15] <cgibbons> jrock, if your windows device is in the /Server/Windows device class, and you've got the SNMP informant agent running, you should get CPU & memory metrics without having to do anything else
[11-Nov-2009 10:31:24] <mdereus> Right now all I am using is the default zenpack template.
[11-Nov-2009 10:32:07] <mdereus> Under the perf tab it shows CPU usage, memory available and memory paging graphs.
[11-Nov-2009 10:33:01] <mdereus> On the OS tab it shows me the network interfaces and disk drives and some other things, and by default notifies me of disk usage greater than 90%
[11-Nov-2009 10:33:27] <mdereus> I did nothing more than set up SNMP on the server, install SNMP Informant and add the server to Zenoss.
[11-Nov-2009 10:34:25] <jrock2004> gotcha
[11-Nov-2009 10:36:59] <mdereus> So anything beyond that is a matter of using the correct zenpack or adding the class yourself.
[11-Nov-2009 10:37:51] <mdereus> On a similar note, I have found that Windows is quite a bit less informative than linux, and even more so if the Windows box is virtual.
[11-Nov-2009 10:49:39] <jrock2004> brb installing new wireless keyboard
[11-Nov-2009 10:55:11] <rmatte> does anyone else notice that when event counts for an event that's in the active event console gets a high count (like 1444 for example) that it just stops incrementing?
[11-Nov-2009 10:58:20] <mdereus> I don't let events get that high. ;)
[11-Nov-2009 10:58:21] <ke4qqq> rmatte: I haven't noticed that - at least in 2.4.x - I have acounts upward of 26887
[11-Nov-2009 10:58:34] <ke4qqq> s/acounts/counts/
[11-Nov-2009 10:59:32] <rmatte> hmmmm
[11-Nov-2009 10:59:39] <rmatte> for pings though
[11-Nov-2009 10:59:42] <rmatte> not for traps or whatever
[11-Nov-2009 11:00:17] <ke4qqq> hmmmmm no idea about pings - haven't had that problem
[11-Nov-2009 11:00:53] <rmatte> guess I'll wait until we upgrade to 2.5 and see if it's still present
[11-Nov-2009 11:01:30] <rmatte> actually, it looks like it just totally gave up on generating ping events for 2 of my devices all of a sudden
[11-Nov-2009 11:01:39] <zuez> How does one install a Zenpack that's not in .egg format? The PowerEdge 1950 zenpack has an __init__.py in it and an objects directory containing an xml file
[11-Nov-2009 11:01:43] <ke4qqq> zenping still up?
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:51] <rmatte> yup, check this out
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:53] <rmatte> 2009-11-10 13:27:02 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 4 jobs in 3.02 seconds
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:53] <rmatte> 2009-11-10 13:28:02 WARNING zen.ZenPing: ip 30.30.1.221 is down
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:53] <rmatte> 2009-11-10 13:28:02 WARNING zen.ZenPing: ip 10.100.10.100 is down
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:53] <rmatte> 2009-11-10 13:28:02 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 4 jobs in 3.02 seconds
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:53] <rmatte> 2009-11-10 13:28:59 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 2 jobs in 0.00 seconds
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:54] <rmatte> 2009-11-10 13:29:59 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 2 jobs in 0.01 seconds
[11-Nov-2009 11:02:56] <rmatte> 2009-11-10 13:30:59 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 2 jobs in 0.01 seconds
[11-Nov-2009 11:03:03] <rmatte> it was previously pinging 4 jobs, and seeing 2 devices down
[11-Nov-2009 11:03:12] <rmatte> and now it's pinging only 2 jobs each cycle
[11-Nov-2009 11:03:29] <rmatte> I saw this same issue on one of my production servers the other day
[11-Nov-2009 11:04:34] <mrayzenoss> zuez: don't unzip it, just install it as a regular ZenPack
[11-Nov-2009 11:04:38] <rmatte> I'm getting snmp agent down events, just no ping events
[11-Nov-2009 11:04:49] <rmatte> this seems like a pretty major bug to me
[11-Nov-2009 11:04:54] <mrayzenoss> zuez: someone (probably me) needs to convert it to an .egg
[11-Nov-2009 11:05:09] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: any idea if any bugs had been logged against zenping for 2.4.x?
[11-Nov-2009 11:06:14] <rmatte> ke4qqq: any way that you can add a device with some dummy IP, set it as non-production, and see if you can reproduce this on your 2.4.x install?
[11-Nov-2009 11:06:34] <rmatte> you'll have to leave the ping events sitting for a couple days
[11-Nov-2009 11:06:45] <rmatte> then you should notice the count no longer incrementing, and voila
[11-Nov-2009 11:07:09] <rmatte> no idea why zenping is suddenly just giving up on devices
[11-Nov-2009 11:07:37] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: hadn't heard of any
[11-Nov-2009 11:07:56] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: hmmmm, I'll test this on my King Crab box to see if I can duplicate the behaviour
[11-Nov-2009 11:08:15] <rmatte> if I can, that's a pretty bad bug
[11-Nov-2009 11:09:01] <mrayzenoss> seems more people would have reproduced it
[11-Nov-2009 11:09:31] <rmatte> people probably don't have devices down for more than a day at a time though
[11-Nov-2009 11:09:42] <mrayzenoss> I do
[11-Nov-2009 11:09:45] <mrayzenoss> I'm checking
[11-Nov-2009 11:09:52] <rmatte> or they just haven't noticed
[11-Nov-2009 11:09:59] <rmatte> since they are just leaving the events there to sit
[11-Nov-2009 11:10:13] <rmatte> I've never seen a ping event count make it to like 3000 or 4000
[11-Nov-2009 11:10:18] <rmatte> it always just stops somewhere
[11-Nov-2009 11:12:32] <rmatte> testing it with King Crab, guess I'll know in a couple days, the King Crab is a good control test since it's a perfectly clean install
[11-Nov-2009 11:12:34] <cgibbons> maxPingFailures = 1440
[11-Nov-2009 11:12:52] <mrayzenoss> my 2.5.0 box has 1320 and it's continuing to increment them… that said I'll keep looking for this
[11-Nov-2009 11:13:05] <rmatte> cgibbons: that explains why the event died at 1444
[11-Nov-2009 11:13:12] <rmatte> cgibbons: why is that even in place?
[11-Nov-2009 11:13:24] <rmatte> cgibbons: that's insane
[11-Nov-2009 11:13:51] <cgibbons> because in the real-world of the original authors they wanted it to stop trying when a device was clearly dead. it's a user-configurable value.
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:13] <cgibbons> go to your collector configuration, it's one of the values there
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:18] <rmatte> is it configurable in the UI?
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:24] <rmatte> ah
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:38] <rmatte> mystery solved
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:39] <cgibbons> "if pj.status < self.maxPingFailures or self.reconfigured:"
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:54] <rmatte> so is 0 unlimited?
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:56] <mrayzenoss> yay, not a bug
[11-Nov-2009 11:14:58] <jrock2004> I messed up my oid datasource for free memory on a windows box. Is there a way to find what the default value was?
[11-Nov-2009 11:15:08] <rmatte> or am I going to have to put 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
[11-Nov-2009 11:15:10] <rmatte> lol
[11-Nov-2009 11:15:41] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: which template/oid?
[11-Nov-2009 11:16:10] <cgibbons> it doesn't look like 0 would work
[11-Nov-2009 11:16:22] <jrock2004> Windows/Templates/Device/memoryAvaliableKBytes
[11-Nov-2009 11:16:55] <jrock2004> I thought it was 1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.2.0
[11-Nov-2009 11:16:56] <ke4qqq> rmatte: yeah I can do that
[11-Nov-2009 11:17:01] <rmatte> cgibbons: bah, alright, I'll just set it to something ludicrously high, it would make more sense if that was just defaulted to off and could be enabled if needed
[11-Nov-2009 11:17:15] <cgibbons> i disagree, but that's why it's configurable
[11-Nov-2009 11:17:25] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: 1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.2.0
[11-Nov-2009 11:17:38] <mrayzenoss> that's what I have, looks the same
[11-Nov-2009 11:17:48] <rmatte> cgibbons: now the real question is, once that's triggered, there's no way to get zenping to look at that device again without actually restarting zenping?
[11-Nov-2009 11:17:52] <jrock2004> ok so I was right. I guess I better give it a few minutes to generate
[11-Nov-2009 11:17:56] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Thanks
[11-Nov-2009 11:18:01] <mrayzenoss> np
[11-Nov-2009 11:18:02] <cgibbons> or if the device is 'reconfigured'
[11-Nov-2009 11:18:07] <rmatte> cgibbons: seems a bit stupid, how is Zenoss ever going to know that that device is back up without a restart?
[11-Nov-2009 11:18:09] <ke4qqq> ahhhh fascinating. is that documented anywhere cgibbons ???
[11-Nov-2009 11:18:20] <rmatte> reconfigured, so remodeled essentially
[11-Nov-2009 11:18:46] <rmatte> ke4qqq: I'm sure it's documented somewhere, just not in big bold lettering like it should be
[11-Nov-2009 11:19:12] <jrock2004> See this is what I get for trying to work with snmp informant ;)
[11-Nov-2009 11:19:27] <mrayzenoss> ke4qqq: not that I can find
[11-Nov-2009 11:19:30] * ke4qqq searching the admin guide now
[11-Nov-2009 11:20:11] <rmatte> cgibbons: there should be an option to outright disable that, this is monitoring software, it's supposed to monitor no matter what, not just give up because a device has been down for a couple of days
[11-Nov-2009 11:20:45] <cgibbons> If you want I can probably find you more users that would say that no, if it's dead I don't want to have to go back into the product and disable it because that means I took it offline. That's why it's configurable.
[11-Nov-2009 11:20:57] <rmatte> cgibbons: if you were a system admin monitoring a couple dozen servers then it wouldn't be such a big deal, but if you're an MSP monitoring hundreds of devices, and a router at a site is down for a few days, you're going to want Zenoss to still try to check status on that device via ping so that you know when it comes back up
[11-Nov-2009 11:20:59] <cgibbons> Sorry it doesn't fit your expected behavior, but it is that way deliberately.
[11-Nov-2009 11:21:21] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: open a ticket to make '0' work to never give up
[11-Nov-2009 11:21:46] <cgibbons> And produce a patch, it doesn't look like it would be hard to modify it to do what you want.
[11-Nov-2009 11:22:05] <rmatte> cgibbons: that's fine, I'll open a trac ticket for a feature request to make 0 work as unlimited as Matt suggested and that'll be that
[11-Nov-2009 11:22:21] <mrayzenoss> ke4qqq: a quick way to search all zenoss documentation is the search on the Community site set to the "Documentation" community
[11-Nov-2009 11:23:34] <rmatte> it's definitely good to know though, thanks for pointing that out :)
[11-Nov-2009 11:23:47] <mrayzenoss> it was news to me too :)
[11-Nov-2009 11:24:07] <rmatte> I'd noticed it before but always thought it was just due to a fluke and never thought much of it
[11-Nov-2009 11:25:50] <rmatte> actually meh, I'm setting it to 99999999999 which is over 3000 years, I would hope a device wouldn't be down that long
[11-Nov-2009 11:26:30] <mrayzenoss> I'd probably set it for a more realistic 30 years, but that's just me
[11-Nov-2009 11:26:46] <rmatte> hehe
[11-Nov-2009 11:31:32] <ke4qqq> mrayzenoss: interesting.
[11-Nov-2009 11:33:47] <rmatte> I won't even bother with opening the ticket to make 0 work, whatever
[11-Nov-2009 11:36:01] <cgibbons> "if pj.status < self.maxPingFailures or self.reconfigured:" change to "if not self.maxPingFailures or (pj.status < self.maxPingFailures) or self.reconfigured:"
[11-Nov-2009 11:37:05] <mrayzenoss> if you put that into a ticket as the patch we'll roll it into the source
[11-Nov-2009 11:37:07] <rmatte> jrock2004: you could just use my ZenPacks and not use snmp-informant :P
[11-Nov-2009 11:37:23] <jrock2004> Well send me a link
[11-Nov-2009 11:37:34] <jrock2004> I will warn you I am on 2.5
[11-Nov-2009 11:38:51] <mrayzenoss> cgibbons: I'm putting that into a patch for the ticket
[11-Nov-2009 11:38:57] <cgibbons> cool
[11-Nov-2009 11:39:01] <cgibbons> not like i tested it :)
[11-Nov-2009 11:39:14] <mrayzenoss> you will, I'm assigning it to you :)
[11-Nov-2009 11:39:22] <mrayzenoss> actually, I'll test it on my home install
[11-Nov-2009 11:40:36] <rmatte> jrock2004: my packs work fine on 2.5, I tested them
[11-Nov-2009 11:40:54] <jrock2004> Are they on the site?
[11-Nov-2009 11:41:21] <rmatte> docs/DOC-3386 or docs/DOC-3570
[11-Nov-2009 11:41:27] <rmatte> pick whichever you prefer
[11-Nov-2009 11:41:33] <rmatte> or install both, up to you
[11-Nov-2009 11:41:35] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Windows SNMP Performance Monitor (Advanced) (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 11:41:37] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Windows SNMP Performance Monitor (Simple) (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 11:42:36] <rmatte> make sure that you have bc and snmpwalk commands on the Zenoss box
[11-Nov-2009 11:42:45] <rmatte> the scripts that collect the data make use of them
[11-Nov-2009 11:43:40] <jrock2004> Thanks
[11-Nov-2009 11:44:13] <rmatte> np
[11-Nov-2009 11:44:22] <rmatte> I'll eventually convert the scripts to python when I have time
[11-Nov-2009 11:48:19] <rmatte> hmmmm, looks like I'll be doing some maintenance on my home PC tonight, just noticed that 2 of the case fans have died
[11-Nov-2009 11:48:25] <mrayzenoss> ok, I've added that patch and set my collector to 0
[11-Nov-2009 11:48:37] <mrayzenoss> I'll report back after 24 hours :)
[11-Nov-2009 11:48:48] <rmatte> there's a patch?
[11-Nov-2009 11:48:52] <rmatte> :O
[11-Nov-2009 11:50:41] <mrayzenoss> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5809
[11-Nov-2009 11:50:52] <mrayzenoss> no patch, just a diff
[11-Nov-2009 11:50:56] <mrayzenoss> off to lunch
[11-Nov-2009 11:51:13] <rmatte> cool
[11-Nov-2009 11:51:45] <jb> welp
[11-Nov-2009 11:51:53] <ilejn> Hello.
[11-Nov-2009 11:52:00] <jb> looks like im gonna be doing a core instance to monitor 900 windows domain controllers
[11-Nov-2009 11:52:09] <jb> at least try to :)
[11-Nov-2009 11:52:38] <ilejn> Is there any magic behind class/system/groups/location?
[11-Nov-2009 11:52:51] <chudler_> magic?
[11-Nov-2009 11:52:55] chudler_ is now known as chudler
[11-Nov-2009 11:53:38] <ilejn> If my goal is to classify devices by, say, size and color, is it Ok to use Groups as size and Location as color?
[11-Nov-2009 11:53:48] <rmatte> jb: have fun with that lol
[11-Nov-2009 11:53:55] <ilejn> Is there any predefined semantic?
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:05] <rmatte> jb: you may want to split them across 2 or even 3 local or remote collectors
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:11] <chudler> ilejn: no
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:23] <ilejn> As far as I know, location associated with Google maps.
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:30] <rmatte> speaking of which, is there a guide somewhere on how to setup secondary local collectors?
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:31] <jb> well, i really just want to use one box :)
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:35] <ilejn> Anything besides this?
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:36] <jb> don't plan on using WMI
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:36] <chudler> ah, yeah I forgot about that. Otherwise no :-)
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:43] <rmatte> you'd be using 1 box
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:45] <ilejn> Thanks a lot.
[11-Nov-2009 11:54:48] <rmatte> with multiple collectors on it
[11-Nov-2009 11:55:06] <jb> any writeups or anything on this?
[11-Nov-2009 11:55:19] <rmatte> now that I've tried WMI to monitor windows hosts I won't touch it with a ten foot pole
[11-Nov-2009 11:55:56] <rmatte> especially since SNMP is infinately more reliable, and after some scripting I can get basically anything off a windows box via SNMP
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:06] <jb> yeah i only want to do SNMP with these
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:09] <jb> and very limited at that
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:14] <rmatte> yeh
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:15] <jb> definetely ICMP availability
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:20] <jb> and maybe cpu/memory usage
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:35] <rmatte> you'll have to do it limited or you'll potentially blow over your monitoring cycles
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:35] <jb> i should be able to do this without SNMP informant, right?
[11-Nov-2009 11:56:40] <jb> these are all 2core boxes
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:11] <rmatte> jb: are you planning on collecting CPU and memory stats at all?
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:19] <jb> yeah, i'd like to
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:22] <jb> (via snmp)
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:32] <jb> but these don't have SNMP Informant.. and I'd rather not push that out
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:35] <rmatte> I wrote ZenPacks for doing that
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:40] <rmatte> without snmp informant
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:51] <rmatte> check out the WIndows SNMP Performance ZenPacks on the community site
[11-Nov-2009 11:57:56] <rmatte> there's an advanced and a simple one
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:00] <jb> k
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:02] <rmatte> read the descriptions to see the difference
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:11] <jb> hrm.. worried about disk performance too in this box
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:18] <jb> i think im just gonna use a spare dell poweredge 1955 blade
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:23] <jb> 4 core / 16GB of ram / RAID1
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:32] <jb> i may need to move it to a bigger box
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:36] <rmatte> monitoring 900 devices on one box, especially servers, is going to be pretty taxing
[11-Nov-2009 11:58:43] <rmatte> I'd beef up that box as best you can
[11-Nov-2009 11:59:06] <jb> well, if all goes well, i'll probably just order a new box for it
[11-Nov-2009 11:59:14] <jb> 8core / 32+GB / local raid10's or whatever
[11-Nov-2009 11:59:36] <rmatte> yeh, you'll definitely need something beefy
[11-Nov-2009 11:59:43] <jrock2004> rmatte: Does your zenpack not need snmp informant running?
[11-Nov-2009 11:59:54] <rmatte> jrock2004: it doesn't
[11-Nov-2009 12:00:07] <jb> i'll also need a way to automate adding these devices
[11-Nov-2009 12:00:08] <rmatte> just plain jane windows snmp service
[11-Nov-2009 12:00:11] <jb> they are all 10.x.x.15
[11-Nov-2009 12:00:12] <jrock2004> Ok so I can uninstall that from those servers
[11-Nov-2009 12:00:19] <rmatte> jrock2004: correct
[11-Nov-2009 12:01:25] <rmatte> jrock2004: I wrote those packs because one of our clients that we're monitoring 80 servers for didn't want snmp-informant installed on their servers (they run a tight ship)
[11-Nov-2009 12:01:57] <jrock2004> Did they care about cpu temps and stuff like that?
[11-Nov-2009 12:02:13] <rmatte> not really
[11-Nov-2009 12:02:46] <rmatte> CPU temp OIDs are more dependant on the actual type of server that you're running though
[11-Nov-2009 12:03:05] <rmatte> there's a zenpack for HP Proliants that collects temperature info for example
[11-Nov-2009 12:03:13] <rmatte> if they wanted it for anything else I'd have to custom develop it
[11-Nov-2009 12:07:48] <rmatte> I think I'm going to buy a roomba
[11-Nov-2009 12:07:56] <rmatte> I'm sick of sweeping this place by hand lol
[11-Nov-2009 12:08:32] <rmatte> and I shall hack it and program it to also deliver me beer during hockey games :P
[11-Nov-2009 12:10:05] <rmatte> I never understand why people do IP addressing like that
[11-Nov-2009 12:10:10] <rmatte> they are called subnets for a reason :P
[11-Nov-2009 12:10:44] <rmatte> its best practice to use proper ranges
[11-Nov-2009 12:11:01] <rmatte> well I guess you have 1 server per subnet or something?
[11-Nov-2009 12:11:38] <jrock2004> hmmm now I am getting a bunch of events for my windows box. It is telling me oid are bad
[11-Nov-2009 12:12:02] <rmatte> jrock2004: well, those messages can't be coming from my ZenPack
[11-Nov-2009 12:12:06] <rmatte> so it's something else
[11-Nov-2009 12:12:10] <jrock2004> oh I know that
[11-Nov-2009 12:12:23] <rmatte> are you sure that you configured snmp properly on the server itself?
[11-Nov-2009 12:12:36] <jrock2004> I think what happen is when I was playing with snmp informant I loaded its mib
[11-Nov-2009 12:12:49] <jrock2004> it then changed my oid
[11-Nov-2009 12:13:00] <rmatte> you probably loaded it's template
[11-Nov-2009 12:13:12] <rmatte> you need to remove the standard windows devices template, or unbind it
[11-Nov-2009 12:13:13] <mdereus> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5714 - Does this mean the solution to this problem will be supplied in a 2.5.1 update or can I fix this manually?
[11-Nov-2009 12:13:15] <rmatte> then use mine instead
[11-Nov-2009 12:14:04] <rmatte> mdereus: just execute "zenpatch 15583" as the zenoss user
[11-Nov-2009 12:14:11] <rmatte> then restart zenoss
[11-Nov-2009 12:14:17] <mdereus> oh, nice
[11-Nov-2009 12:14:30] * mdereus runs off to take a snapshot and break Zenoss.
[11-Nov-2009 12:14:47] <rmatte> hehe
[11-Nov-2009 12:15:05] <mdereus> wasn't aware of this zenpatch utility
[11-Nov-2009 12:15:40] <mdereus> after I blew away the broken 2.5 upgrade I reinstalled 2.5 fresh and haven't touched in a week
[11-Nov-2009 12:15:54] <mdereus> kind of want to get it up and running so I have some "ammo" to give to my boss
[11-Nov-2009 12:16:01] <rmatte> yeh, zenpatch is awesome
[11-Nov-2009 12:16:09] <rmatte> you just need to supply it the patch number and it does the rest
[11-Nov-2009 12:17:24] <rmatte> just make sure that a patch has been verified on Trac before applying it :)
[11-Nov-2009 12:20:30] <rmatte> hey egor
[11-Nov-2009 12:20:42] <bigegor> hey
[11-Nov-2009 12:21:10] <rmatte> I sent you a message on the community site, I know you're probably busier than hell but if you have a second could you please respond to it?
[11-Nov-2009 12:22:09] <rmatte> oh you did
[11-Nov-2009 12:22:13] <rmatte> (sorry, just noticed)
[11-Nov-2009 12:22:24] <jrock2004> rmatte: So how is new Call of Duty?
[11-Nov-2009 12:22:25] <bigegor> no problem ;)
[11-Nov-2009 12:24:22] <mdereus> rmatte: Do I need to restart zenoss after running zenpatch?
[11-Nov-2009 12:24:41] <rmatte> jrock2004: even better than I thought it would be (also, it's not officially part of the CoD franchise anymore, it's breaking off in to it's own, hence why it's only called Modern Warfare 2 :)
[11-Nov-2009 12:24:58] <jrock2004> :)
[11-Nov-2009 12:25:01] <rmatte> actually weird
[11-Nov-2009 12:25:12] <rmatte> it does actually say "call-duty" on the case
[11-Nov-2009 12:25:18] <rmatte> hadn't noticed that before, so maybe not
[11-Nov-2009 12:25:38] <rmatte> but yeh, it is phenominal
[11-Nov-2009 12:26:08] <jrock2004> I was reading on Twitter that people do not like the googles
[11-Nov-2009 12:26:20] <jrock2004> *goggles
[11-Nov-2009 12:26:21] <rmatte> I've only played the single player so far... there's one scene where this guy who is driving the car that you're in gets shot in the head, so you duck down, and the brain matter on the dashboard looks incredibly real
[11-Nov-2009 12:26:38] <rmatte> oh, you mean the goggles that came with the special edition of the game?
[11-Nov-2009 12:26:51] <jrock2004> Yeah
[11-Nov-2009 12:27:12] <rmatte> ah, well I don't intend to buy that anyways, and if I did the goggles would be left sitting for show rather than use
[11-Nov-2009 12:27:37] <rmatte> but yeh, I started playing it last night and had a really hard time putting it down
[11-Nov-2009 12:28:38] wildcard1 is now known as wildcard0
[11-Nov-2009 12:28:53] <jrock2004> I will be same when assasins creed comes out
[11-Nov-2009 12:30:04] <rmatte> yeh, my friend is bonkers over the new assassin's creed too
[11-Nov-2009 12:30:32] <rmatte> he's like "You shoot, I ASSASSINATE!"
[11-Nov-2009 12:33:28] <mdereus> 2009-11-11 12:32:41,332 INFO zen.ZenActions: Processed 0 commands in 0.000047
[11-Nov-2009 12:33:28] <mdereus> 2009-11-11 12:32:41,334 INFO zen.ZenActions: processed 0 rules in 0.00 secs
[11-Nov-2009 12:33:36] <mdereus> yay rmatte, thanks again
[11-Nov-2009 12:33:48] <jrock2004> I find that games like Modern Warfar are just not my style. I mean I am a sniper but you kids are just too fast for me :)
[11-Nov-2009 12:34:19] <mdereus> Camping is a legitimate tactic. You don't need to be fast. :)
[11-Nov-2009 12:35:03] <jrock2004> well I camp but then someone comes from behind me and knives me bad lol
[11-Nov-2009 12:35:32] <chemist> camping is intense
[11-Nov-2009 12:35:39] <chemist> (in tents)
[11-Nov-2009 12:36:08] <mdereus> rimshot
[11-Nov-2009 12:36:11] <mdereus> :)
[11-Nov-2009 12:37:24] <mdereus> jrock2004: Gotta shoot and move to a new spot, the game has a death camera IIRC
[11-Nov-2009 12:37:57] <jrock2004> I hear ya
[11-Nov-2009 12:39:15] <rmatte> np
[11-Nov-2009 12:40:04] <rmatte> I don't camp at all, my friends are always like "YOU NEVER STOP MOVING, YOU JUST CHARGE IN!", but then I remind them that I'm at the top of the score list for that match :P
[11-Nov-2009 12:40:05] <zuez> Is there somewhere that lists the difference between ZenManager and Manager? I don't see specifics in documentation
[11-Nov-2009 12:40:14] <rmatte> the only time I "camp" is if I'm sniping
[11-Nov-2009 12:40:21] <rmatte> which is what snipers do
[11-Nov-2009 12:40:23] <rmatte> lol
[11-Nov-2009 12:40:35] <chudler> zuez manager can access the Zope interface IIRC
[11-Nov-2009 12:40:57] <chudler> but the answer to your question is "yes". I just dont know where.
[11-Nov-2009 12:41:02] <zuez> chudler: So it doesn't make a difference if I grant myself all of the permissions? Manager will inherit the same capabilities as Admin user?
[11-Nov-2009 12:41:23] <chudler> yes, you only have to give yourself Manager to have everything.
[11-Nov-2009 12:41:38] <rmatte> zuez: all I know is that when I was setting up my LDAP roles, Manager worked, ZenManager did not
[11-Nov-2009 12:41:41] <rmatte> for whatever reason
[11-Nov-2009 12:41:47] <zuez> ok, thanks folks
[11-Nov-2009 12:44:17] <rmatte> np
[11-Nov-2009 12:44:36] <jrock2004> rmatte: Have yo uused Synthetic Web Transactions
[11-Nov-2009 12:44:53] <rmatte> yup
[11-Nov-2009 12:45:02] <rmatte> I set one up for one of our client's websites
[11-Nov-2009 12:45:35] <jrock2004> Ok so I a server setup that is in class /device/Server/Linux
[11-Nov-2009 12:45:54] <jrock2004> on that server I have a website where I would love to use this synthetic zenpack
[11-Nov-2009 12:46:17] <jrock2004> issue is for the syntehic thing to work the server needs to be in /Websited
[11-Nov-2009 12:46:31] <jrock2004> Is there a way around this?
[11-Nov-2009 12:46:33] <rmatte> well, the synthetic zenpack installs to /App/Web or something, I moved it to /App/HTTP, you just need to take the template that it installs and move it to the Linux class then bind it to your device
[11-Nov-2009 12:46:53] <rmatte> copy the template over
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:07] <jrock2004> How would I do that?
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:12] <jrock2004> is there a dic for that
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:16] <rmatte> Zenoss is pretty flexible, you'll just have to remember to copy it over again if the ZenPack gets updated
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:17] <jrock2004> doc
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:23] <rmatte> a doc?
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:30] <rmatte> it's literally an option in the dropdown menu
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:33] <rmatte> go to templates
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:38] <rmatte> put a checkmark next to the template
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:44] <rmatte> and then select copy template from the dropdown
[11-Nov-2009 12:47:50] <rmatte> and copy it to the Linux class
[11-Nov-2009 12:48:38] <rmatte> you might also want to use the HttpMon ZenPack in conjunction with it
[11-Nov-2009 12:49:05] <rmatte> jrock2004: actually, the thing is...
[11-Nov-2009 12:49:16] <rmatte> jrock2004: does the hostname of the server in Zenoss actually match the URL of the site?
[11-Nov-2009 12:49:56] <jrock2004> no
[11-Nov-2009 12:50:02] <jrock2004> I know you have to change it over to
[11-Nov-2009 12:50:06] <rmatte> if it doesn't, then what you should do is add a second device with the name set as the URL of the site, then add that device to the /Websites group
[11-Nov-2009 12:50:10] <rmatte> that's the proper way to do it
[11-Nov-2009 12:50:33] <rmatte> you make new devices to represent each site
[11-Nov-2009 12:50:38] <rmatte> that's why the class is separate
[11-Nov-2009 12:51:14] <jrock2004> Wehn I try to add a new device I get an error
[11-Nov-2009 12:51:24] <jrock2004> Unable to add the device websiteURL
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:09] <rmatte> does it explain why?
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:14] <jrock2004> Nope
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:24] <rmatte> that's pretty dumb lol
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:25] <rmatte> try again
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:28] <chemist> IP address?
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:37] <rmatte> you're not literally putting http:// as part of the device name right
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:46] <jrock2004> wait yeah it complains that the ip already exists
[11-Nov-2009 12:52:51] <rmatte> ah
[11-Nov-2009 12:53:06] <rmatte> add it as a fake IP, then change the IP and the hostname after it's added (you can do that)
[11-Nov-2009 12:53:14] <rmatte> the options are available from the device page
[11-Nov-2009 12:53:21] <rmatte> Rename Device and Reset IP
[11-Nov-2009 12:53:36] <rmatte> the IP isn't going to matter anyways
[11-Nov-2009 12:54:05] <rmatte> make sure that ping monitoring is disabled for the device
[11-Nov-2009 12:54:28] <rmatte> (I'd disable ping monitoring for the whole /Websites class if it's enabled)
[11-Nov-2009 12:55:15] <jrock2004> That worked
[11-Nov-2009 12:55:20] <rmatte> good
[11-Nov-2009 12:55:33] <rmatte> I need to go afk for a few but I'm sure you can figure out the rest
[11-Nov-2009 12:55:44] <jrock2004> Yep thanks
[11-Nov-2009 12:55:48] <rmatte> bbiaf
[11-Nov-2009 12:55:49] <rmatte> np
[11-Nov-2009 13:12:06] <swygue> rmatte: what's up dude, thanks again for that piece of code to clear events
[11-Nov-2009 13:14:07] <swygue> I want trigger a threshold whenever a server starts to swap, I have the min value set to this; here.totalBlocks * .1. I'm hoping to catch the lowest value possible. Will this work, any idea's
[11-Nov-2009 13:19:22] <rmatte> I'm back
[11-Nov-2009 13:19:45] <rmatte> swygue: what kind of server?
[11-Nov-2009 13:24:44] <swygue> rmatte: do you mean the OS, its Ubuntu flavor Linux
[11-Nov-2009 13:25:00] <rmatte> ok, are you monitoring via SNMP?
[11-Nov-2009 13:26:26] <rmatte> ah, I just noticed that the low swap threshold defaults to a value of "1024000"
[11-Nov-2009 13:26:31] <rmatte> that's pretty stupid
[11-Nov-2009 13:27:23] <rmatte> here.totalBlocks probably won't work since swap isn't displayed in blocks
[11-Nov-2009 13:27:26] <swygue> rmatte: yes it is
[11-Nov-2009 13:27:38] <jrock2004> On that Synthetic it says to add a data source which I do but in the drop down I dont see WebTX
[11-Nov-2009 13:27:46] <rmatte> I'm pretty sure that swap is gathered in just plain bytes
[11-Nov-2009 13:27:54] <swygue> I noticed that after loosing a production server because it started to swap
[11-Nov-2009 13:28:03] <swygue> i'm monitoring using SSH
[11-Nov-2009 13:28:25] <rmatte> jrock2004: are you even looking at the right guide?
[11-Nov-2009 13:28:36] <jrock2004> Zenoss Extended Monitoring
[11-Nov-2009 13:28:38] <rmatte> jrock2004: there are 2 different synthetic zenpacks, one is enterprise only
[11-Nov-2009 13:28:47] <rmatte> you're probably using the community one?
[11-Nov-2009 13:28:56] <jrock2004> ah that is for enterprise
[11-Nov-2009 13:29:02] <jrock2004> yeah
[11-Nov-2009 13:29:06] <rmatte> yeh, follow the steps that are ON the ZenPack page
[11-Nov-2009 13:29:09] <rmatte> don't use the docs
[11-Nov-2009 13:29:31] <jrock2004> well without a doc how the heck can you set it up :)
[11-Nov-2009 13:29:43] <rmatte> the doc is the zenpack page
[11-Nov-2009 13:29:49] <rmatte> why doesn't anyone actually read the zenpack pages?
[11-Nov-2009 13:30:08] <swygue> rmatte: I have to run, I opened a ticket with support. I was looking for a quick answer When I get back I'll share with you any new info
[11-Nov-2009 13:30:13] <rmatte> I always have people asking me how to use some of my ZenPacks when the ZenPack pages explain how to do it in detail lol
[11-Nov-2009 13:30:23] <rmatte> swygue: cool
[11-Nov-2009 13:31:44] <jrock2004> rmatte: Well you read those pages and other tell you to read the admin pdf's
[11-Nov-2009 13:31:55] <jrock2004> I am sorry
[11-Nov-2009 13:32:15] <rmatte> lol, all good, I'm just saying, when you download a ZenPack read the zenpack page
[11-Nov-2009 13:32:25] <rmatte> it generally has important details about the pack
[11-Nov-2009 13:37:29] <jrock2004> Let me guess with the community version I cannot use the testgen4web firefox addon
[11-Nov-2009 13:38:20] <rmatte> jrock2004: why wouldn't you be able to?
[11-Nov-2009 13:38:31] <rmatte> it's twill, which is the same thing that the enterprise pack uses
[11-Nov-2009 13:38:42] <rmatte> you just can't actually add the scripts from the UI
[11-Nov-2009 13:39:20] <rmatte> I don't know much about testgen4web, but if it uses twill then you're fine
[11-Nov-2009 13:40:25] <mrayzenoss> yeah, testgen4web should work just fine
[11-Nov-2009 13:41:58] <jrock2004> Ok will have to look. Getting a fail message. Wondering is script has an error
[11-Nov-2009 13:42:23] <rmatte> you should test the script first
[11-Nov-2009 13:42:32] <rmatte> just go in to the twill console and try it line by line
[11-Nov-2009 13:42:38] <rmatte> if it runs clean then you can use it
[11-Nov-2009 13:43:28] <rmatte> type twill-sh to get in to it
[11-Nov-2009 13:43:37] <jrock2004> in there now.
[11-Nov-2009 13:43:39] <rmatte> k
[11-Nov-2009 13:46:04] <Troubadix09> hello all
[11-Nov-2009 13:46:15] <rmatte> bigegor: you still around?
[11-Nov-2009 13:46:22] <rmatte> Troubadix09: hey
[11-Nov-2009 13:47:39] <jrock2004> well it looks like testgen4web will not work
[11-Nov-2009 13:47:56] <Troubadix09> rmatte: you shown a link in previous irc-session with tuning tips for zenoss, i don't remember the doc-number and i search for it in the forum and didn't find it. Can you show again?
[11-Nov-2009 13:48:02] <rmatte> why's that?
[11-Nov-2009 13:48:18] <rmatte> jrock2004: you are running it through something to convert it to twill right?
[11-Nov-2009 13:48:52] <jrock2004> I was under the thought that testgen4web was a twill script generator
[11-Nov-2009 13:49:00] <rmatte> Troubadix09: docs/DOC-2521
[11-Nov-2009 13:49:07] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - How to tweak zenoss (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 13:49:17] <rmatte> jrock2004: no, it just dumps your transactions to xml
[11-Nov-2009 13:49:25] <jrock2004> ah
[11-Nov-2009 13:49:28] <rmatte> jrock2004: you need a twill translator script to go with it
[11-Nov-2009 13:49:36] <rmatte> hunt around on google, there are some floating around
[11-Nov-2009 13:50:10] <Troubadix09> rmatte: ah, many thanks, it was "tweak", i search for "tuning" lol ;-)
[11-Nov-2009 13:50:20] <rmatte> yup :)
[11-Nov-2009 13:52:25] <jrock2004> is twill basically pythin
[11-Nov-2009 13:52:28] <jrock2004> python
[11-Nov-2009 13:54:20] bzed_ is now known as bzed
[11-Nov-2009 13:54:30] <rmatte_> well, that was fun
[11-Nov-2009 13:54:40] rmatte_ is now known as rmatte
[11-Nov-2009 13:55:04] <rmatte> no, twill is written in python, but it is not python
[11-Nov-2009 13:57:20] <jrock2004> ok still looking for a converter
[11-Nov-2009 13:58:02] <rmatte> you might have to bite the bullet and write it by hand, but it's not hard to do
[11-Nov-2009 13:58:13] <rmatte> twill is the most braindead simple language I've ever coded anything in
[11-Nov-2009 13:58:53] <jrock2004> It appears to be yes
[11-Nov-2009 14:00:34] <jrock2004> once I see a working example I should be ok
[11-Nov-2009 14:00:57] <jrock2004> formvalueloginform __ac_name "user"
[11-Nov-2009 14:01:11] <rmatte> there's a working example on the zenpack page
[11-Nov-2009 14:01:20] <jrock2004> is that __ac_name the id of the field
[11-Nov-2009 14:01:22] <rmatte> and a link on the zenpack page to a page that teaches you how to write twill scripts
[11-Nov-2009 14:01:51] <jrock2004> I was reading that
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:33] <rmatte> here's the one I did
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:35] <rmatte> setlocal username wheres
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:35] <rmatte> setlocal password waldo
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:35] <rmatte> go http://hiding.in/
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:35] <rmatte> formvalue 1 Username $username
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:35] <rmatte> formvalue 1 Password $password
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:36] <rmatte> submit
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:38] <rmatte> follow logout
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:40] <rmatte> code 200 # make sure form submission is correct!
[11-Nov-2009 14:03:53] <rmatte> so in that case it would navigate to hiding.in (which doesn't exist, just an example)
[11-Nov-2009 14:04:06] <rmatte> it would fill out the field called username with the username and password with the password
[11-Nov-2009 14:04:12] <rmatte> it would then submit the request
[11-Nov-2009 14:04:25] <rmatte> and it then follows the logout link once it has logged in
[11-Nov-2009 14:04:35] <rmatte> and makes sure that the logout request finished successfully
[11-Nov-2009 14:06:22] <mrayzenoss> I had another example, I'll dig it up and attach it to the ZenPack page
[11-Nov-2009 14:08:20] <rmatte> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/TestGen4Web-Python <--- Apparently this is what can be used to convert from testgen4web to twill
[11-Nov-2009 14:08:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Python Package Index : TestGen4Web-Python 0.2.1 (at pypi.python.org)
[11-Nov-2009 14:09:39] <rmatte> Usage: testgen-convert [test type] [test method] [TestGen4Web session XML file]
[11-Nov-2009 14:09:39] <mrayzenoss> added my test as a comment, trivial example
[11-Nov-2009 14:10:35] <rmatte> test-type would be twill-shell
[11-Nov-2009 14:11:09] <jrock2004> will download that
[11-Nov-2009 14:21:09] <__jd__> Is there any documentation on the REST/XMLRPC API? :) The developer's guide doesn't seem to be very helpful in this regard unless I'm missing something
[11-Nov-2009 14:24:27] <rmatte> __jd__: the developer's guide should cover that
[11-Nov-2009 14:24:36] <rmatte> have you read it thoroughly?
[11-Nov-2009 14:24:42] <rmatte> also, what are you trying to do via xml-rpc?
[11-Nov-2009 14:26:55] <__jd__> I guess I'm looking for a list of methods
[11-Nov-2009 14:27:05] <__jd__> but what I'm trying to do is just add datapoints :)
[11-Nov-2009 14:27:33] <rmatte> ah, if it was event manipulation I'd be able to help, but I've no idea about adding datapoints
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:01] <__jd__> I've got a new data source with over 100 data points
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:07] <__jd__> I don't feel like getting carpal tunnel today :-D
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:08] <rmatte> I'm not even sure if that's possible via xml-rpc
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:14] <__jd__> it can be REST too
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:15] <__jd__> I don't care
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:28] <__jd__> as long as it's not by my mouse :-D
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:29] <rmatte> why don't you try just doing it right in zendmd?
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:37] <__jd__> ah.. there we go :P
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:37] <rmatte> why bother with xml-rpc if you're not calling on it remotely?
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:46] <__jd__> haven't messed with zendmd at all
[11-Nov-2009 14:28:51] <__jd__> I'll have to look into it
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:07] <rmatte> yeh, it's basically a python shell but with a bunch of zenoss stuff loaded in to it
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:14] <rmatte> so you can call on zenoss functions
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:19] <majikman> which template do i want to use to get bandwidth monitoring on my siwtches?
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:27] <chudler> I have mass-added datapoints with REST & dmd, but I cant find my scripts, I probably deleted them. xml-rpc probably can do it also.
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:34] <majikman> is it ethernetCsmacd_64?
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:38] <__jd__> majikman, yea
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:44] <rmatte> majikman: depends on what the interface "type" is
[11-Nov-2009 14:29:50] <rmatte> click on an interface and check the type
[11-Nov-2009 14:30:01] <__jd__> chudler, doh :)
[11-Nov-2009 14:30:06] <rmatte> Zenoss automatically applies any interface template that it finds which matches the name under type
[11-Nov-2009 14:30:29] <mrayzenoss> majikman: Added images into the forums over the weekend, per your recommendation
[11-Nov-2009 14:30:35] <__jd__> chudler, new xmppBot version rocks btw ;P
[11-Nov-2009 14:30:44] <majikman> mrayzenoss, awesome, thanks
[11-Nov-2009 14:31:03] <mrayzenoss> majikman: I've noticed people already using it, so good idea
[11-Nov-2009 14:31:11] <chudler> THANKS ! :-D I have a huge update planned, but time is soo not on my side.
[11-Nov-2009 14:31:17] <majikman> hmm... i must have forgot how to apply templates or something. back to tfm
[11-Nov-2009 14:31:53] <__jd__> my poor colleagues are still using SMS.. 2-way communication with ZenOSS is much nicer :)
[11-Nov-2009 14:32:31] <chudler> heh, we have 2-way SMS here for ppl without smart-phones or mobile IM, but otherwise agreed!
[11-Nov-2009 14:32:51] <__jd__> oh nice.. they can reply to zenoss with sms?
[11-Nov-2009 14:32:51] <chudler> only thing they can do is ACK alerts over SMS, but it works.
[11-Nov-2009 14:33:02] <__jd__> is that something you guys added?
[11-Nov-2009 14:33:27] <jrock2004> Why have a readme file that is empy. What the heck
[11-Nov-2009 14:33:42] <chudler> yes, it is pretty trivial. The Sierra wireless driver receives the SMS and drops it into a directory. A little shim picks it up and acks the alert that it is supposed to be for.
[11-Nov-2009 14:34:11] <__jd__> ah I see :)
[11-Nov-2009 14:35:33] <chudler> I planned to have a little SMS status query, so an interested person could inquire over SMS about a certain device, etc. It isn't the sort of thing that lends itself to a zenpack, I suppose
[11-Nov-2009 14:36:19] <__jd__> yea
[11-Nov-2009 14:36:48] <__jd__> our sms is still done via email, so we don't have any 2 way capability anyway
[11-Nov-2009 14:38:03] <chudler> ATT throttled us very badly over email (like 30+minute delays). Perhaps because they aren't getting payed as much. They're okay with charging us $thousands/month for the wireless card though :-/
[11-Nov-2009 14:40:18] <rmatte> man, is it like netsplit day today or something?
[11-Nov-2009 14:41:07] <cgibbons> something
[11-Nov-2009 14:43:09] <__jd__> whee.. found the addDataPoints method.. now to lookup the argument list :p
[11-Nov-2009 14:43:23] <__jd__> yay tab completion
[11-Nov-2009 14:44:05] <rmatte> hehe
[11-Nov-2009 14:44:13] <rmatte> yeh, the tab completion is definitely awesome
[11-Nov-2009 14:44:39] <rmatte> makes spelunking in zendmd much easier
[11-Nov-2009 14:45:08] <jb> mrayzenoss: sending you a zenpack..
[11-Nov-2009 14:45:43] <mrayzenoss> be warned, I'm about to disappear for a week or more of paternity leave
[11-Nov-2009 14:45:57] <__jd__> congrats :)
[11-Nov-2009 14:45:57] <jb> oh yeah?
[11-Nov-2009 14:45:58] <jb> congrats
[11-Nov-2009 14:46:01] <jb> its not a big deal
[11-Nov-2009 14:46:01] <rmatte> congrats
[11-Nov-2009 14:46:04] <jb> its a basic one
[11-Nov-2009 14:46:11] <jb> just a bunch of SNMP event transforms for dell boxes
[11-Nov-2009 14:46:18] <jb> useful nonetheless..
[11-Nov-2009 14:47:28] <mrayzenoss> thanks
[11-Nov-2009 14:47:49] <mrayzenoss> I'll probably be back online in a week, working from home through November
[11-Nov-2009 14:49:40] <rmatte> coool
[11-Nov-2009 14:53:47] <majikman> so i found the graphs for the throughput for my switches but for some reason, it doesn't seem to get numbers continuously. its kind of hard to explain... but there are just green vertical lines dispersed throughout the graph instead of there being a continuous green area curve. it seems like zenoss isn't pullin gthat info from my switch o rsomething?
[11-Nov-2009 14:53:59] <majikman> whats strange though is that the packets graph seems fine
[11-Nov-2009 14:56:17] <rmatte> majikman: you're probably running over your zenperfsnmp cycle time or something
[11-Nov-2009 14:56:47] <rmatte> majikman: if it takes long than 5 minutes for the collector to gather the data it just stops and starts the next cycle
[11-Nov-2009 14:56:53] <rmatte> so you're only getting partial data
[11-Nov-2009 14:57:00] <rmatte> s/long/longer
[11-Nov-2009 14:57:38] <majikman> but why would the packet graph be fine and not the throughput graph? isn't the throughput graph calculated from the packet graph?
[11-Nov-2009 14:58:46] <majikman> oh... another thing is that the both the inbound and outbound lines are messed up but they aren't messed up simultaneously. some spots, inbound looks fine but outbound doesn't and vice versa
[11-Nov-2009 15:00:24] <rmatte> majikman: they are taken from completely different snmp values from what I can see
[11-Nov-2009 15:00:47] <rmatte> majikman: so it's probably collecting the packets first and then doing the throughput after but running short
[11-Nov-2009 15:00:51] <rmatte> that's my best guess
[11-Nov-2009 15:00:59] <rmatte> all of my traffic graphs look perfectly fine
[11-Nov-2009 15:01:10] <majikman> ok. i'll up the zenperfsnmp cycle. see if that does anything
[11-Nov-2009 15:03:42] <rmatte> actually, now that you mention it I have a few lines in some of mine too
[11-Nov-2009 15:03:46] <rmatte> so it might be normal
[11-Nov-2009 15:04:24] <majikman> i have lots... my throughput graphs are almost useless. i'm going to post something in the forum right now. i'll link you to the image and you can see what i mean
[11-Nov-2009 15:06:01] <jrock2004> rmatte: I wanted to thank you again for all your help these past few weeks
[11-Nov-2009 15:07:57] <jb> for those who are interested in Dell SNMP transforms
[11-Nov-2009 15:07:58] <jb> http://thunder.jbdesign.net/docs/zenoss/zenoss-delltransforms.html
[11-Nov-2009 15:08:18] <adytum-bot> Title: Dell SNMP Event Transforms ZenPack for ZenOSS - IBM3584Mon (at thunder.jbdesign.net)
[11-Nov-2009 15:08:53] <rmatte> jrock2004: no problem
[11-Nov-2009 15:09:56] <majikman> rmatte, message/41929#41929
[11-Nov-2009 15:10:03] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Zenoss SNMP graphs (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 15:10:06] <majikman> my graphs are the second one
[11-Nov-2009 15:10:33] <majikman> cool... when did this adytum bot get here?
[11-Nov-2009 15:10:37] <majikman> jb, sweet,thanks
[11-Nov-2009 15:11:28] <rmatte> majikman: I have a bit of that but yours is way worse
[11-Nov-2009 15:12:11] <majikman> yea... if mines was just a little, i could live with it and still use the graph a little. but mines is so messsed up it almost renders the graphs useless
[11-Nov-2009 15:12:33] <majikman> any idea where those rrrd files are stored? maybe its in there. it doesn't seem to be in the /perf/Devices dir
[11-Nov-2009 15:12:40] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: message/41930#41930
[11-Nov-2009 15:12:45] <rmatte> could you ask the devs?
[11-Nov-2009 15:12:47] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Zenoss SNMP graphs (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 15:12:50] <rmatte> seems to be a common issue
[11-Nov-2009 15:13:33] <majikman> ah... nvm. found the rrd
[11-Nov-2009 15:13:39] <mrayzenoss> 2.4.5 all?
[11-Nov-2009 15:13:48] <majikman> i'm running 2.4.3
[11-Nov-2009 15:13:52] <rmatte> 2.4.5
[11-Nov-2009 15:14:21] <rmatte> is anyone here running 2.5? If you are can you check if you see the same please
[11-Nov-2009 15:15:14] <majikman> whats the easiest way to check the version of zenoss u're running?
[11-Nov-2009 15:15:33] <rmatte> Settings -> Versions
[11-Nov-2009 15:15:58] <majikman> ah, sorry. i'm running 2.4.5, not 2.4.3
[11-Nov-2009 15:15:59] <rmatte> under Software Component Versions section
[11-Nov-2009 15:16:10] <majikman> rrdtool 1.3.5 ,if that matters at all
[11-Nov-2009 15:16:18] <rmatte> not under Available Zenoss Version
[11-Nov-2009 15:16:23] <__jd__> is that all the bot goes?
[11-Nov-2009 15:16:26] <__jd__> err.. does
[11-Nov-2009 15:16:44] <__jd__> adytum-bot: http://ods.org/bot.html
[11-Nov-2009 15:16:59] <rmatte> seems to be lol
[11-Nov-2009 15:17:17] <__jd__> too smart for me :p
[11-Nov-2009 15:17:20] <__jd__> or slow
[11-Nov-2009 15:17:26] <rmatte> hehe
[11-Nov-2009 15:17:45] <chemist> I'm running 2.5 and can't see any gaps in my switches
[11-Nov-2009 15:18:32] <rmatte> you've checked a bunch of ports on multiple switches?
[11-Nov-2009 15:18:41] <rmatte> I have some that are clean and a bunch that are like that
[11-Nov-2009 15:19:21] <chemist> checked a few
[11-Nov-2009 15:19:24] <chemist> no gaps so far
[11-Nov-2009 15:19:34] <rmatte> ok, maybe it was a 2.4.x issue
[11-Nov-2009 15:19:56] <mrayzenoss> RRDTool did get updated with 2.5
[11-Nov-2009 15:20:19] <mrayzenoss> point release, but the defects were mostly memory leaks and performance related
[11-Nov-2009 15:20:40] <rmatte> hmmmm
[11-Nov-2009 15:21:05] <rmatte> zenperfsnmp got overhauled in 2.5 too though
[11-Nov-2009 15:21:13] <rmatte> which is more likely the cause of the fix
[11-Nov-2009 15:21:53] <rmatte> guess we'll have to put up with it until we switch to 2.5
[11-Nov-2009 15:26:13] <cgibbons> we didn't overhaul zenperfsnmp in 2.5...
[11-Nov-2009 15:26:18] <majikman> just did an rrdtool dump of the bad values and i'm getting a bunch of NaN's in there
[11-Nov-2009 15:26:30] <majikman> what's creating the RRD files?
[11-Nov-2009 15:31:41] <rmatte> ah, thought there was a lot of work done on it
[11-Nov-2009 15:32:00] <cgibbons> nope, couple of small fixes. it's in the overall queue for stone crab.
[11-Nov-2009 15:32:30] <mrayzenoss> they overhauled the collector framework and updated several of the less high-profile collectors
[11-Nov-2009 15:32:47] <mrayzenoss> people would rather have issues with event log than snmp
[11-Nov-2009 15:32:47] <jrock2004> So I manually set my HW Make and Model via the edit tab but it appears that when the device is checked, snmp overwrites these values. Can I change this?
[11-Nov-2009 15:33:09] <mrayzenoss> you can lock it from remodeling
[11-Nov-2009 15:33:15] <majikman> my rrd's are getting wrong values stored right now. if you guys can point me to the file that stores data inot the rrd's, i can do some debugging for you guys right now
[11-Nov-2009 15:33:34] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: That in zProperties?
[11-Nov-2009 15:34:05] kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal
[11-Nov-2009 15:34:09] <mrayzenoss> from the device pages, the page menu->"Lock"
[11-Nov-2009 15:35:00] <rmatte> jrock2004: what version of Zenoss are you running?
[11-Nov-2009 15:35:02] <mrayzenoss> http://imagebin.org/71349
[11-Nov-2009 15:35:07] <jrock2004> 2.5
[11-Nov-2009 15:35:12] <rmatte> ah ok
[11-Nov-2009 15:35:12] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[11-Nov-2009 15:35:30] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: I thought it wasn't supposed to overwrite values that are already set
[11-Nov-2009 15:35:36] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: mine don't
[11-Nov-2009 15:36:02] <mrayzenoss> I'm not sure how that works, but that sounds reasonable
[11-Nov-2009 15:36:05] <jrock2004> is those values also set in the snmp agent rmatte?
[11-Nov-2009 15:36:10] <mrayzenoss> or at least, the desired behavior
[11-Nov-2009 15:36:52] <rmatte> jrock2004: all the Zenoss does is pulls the model OID, then checks the products database for an OID that matches and sets the values based on that
[11-Nov-2009 15:37:34] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: yeh, mine only sets the values if nothing is set for software or hardware
[11-Nov-2009 15:37:53] <rmatte> hopefully they didn't change the behaviour in 2.5
[11-Nov-2009 15:40:33] <mrayzenoss> testing it now
[11-Nov-2009 15:41:31] <mrayzenoss> poop
[11-Nov-2009 15:41:40] <rmatte> so it does overwrite it now?
[11-Nov-2009 15:41:40] <jrock2004> As long as you clean it up
[11-Nov-2009 15:41:45] <cgibbons> hurm, HP is Buying 3Com
[11-Nov-2009 15:41:46] <jrock2004> :)
[11-Nov-2009 15:41:58] <mrayzenoss> so I set my HW Make, HW Model, OS Make and OS Version then remodeled. Overwritten
[11-Nov-2009 15:42:10] <mrayzenoss> this was Linux/SSH
[11-Nov-2009 15:42:18] <rmatte> it seems like the functionality that I like always goes down the tubes somehow and gets replaced
[11-Nov-2009 15:42:32] <rhettardo> what does 3com have to offer these days anyway
[11-Nov-2009 15:42:44] <rmatte> it shouldn't overwrite it, that's a regression in my opinion
[11-Nov-2009 15:42:54] <mrayzenoss> yeah, could someone verify this in 2.4.5?
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:06] <mrayzenoss> I'm doing SSH, I'll try it with SNMP next
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:09] <rmatte> that it doesn't overwrite the info you mean?
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:14] <mrayzenoss> yeah
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:23] <mrayzenoss> I want to confirm it's a regression
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:26] <rmatte> I know for a fact that it doesn't, but I'll have a go at it...
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:34] <jrock2004> SNMP is what I am using with this device
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:39] <mrayzenoss> I'll try SNMP now
[11-Nov-2009 15:43:58] <rmatte> what did you set yours to before remodelling?
[11-Nov-2009 15:44:16] <rmatte> (just want to mimic exactly what you did)
[11-Nov-2009 15:44:29] <jrock2004> What do yo umean?
[11-Nov-2009 15:44:37] <rmatte> that was directed at Matt
[11-Nov-2009 15:44:40] <rmatte> :)
[11-Nov-2009 15:44:43] <jrock2004> Ah ok
[11-Nov-2009 15:45:08] <jrock2004> ;(
[11-Nov-2009 15:45:15] <rmatte> bare in mind that this is 2.4.5 with that patch applied
[11-Nov-2009 15:45:29] <rmatte> but it wouldn't work at all without the patch
[11-Nov-2009 15:46:24] <rmatte> ok, so my Linux server is now an Apple Powerbook G4, now to remodel and see if it overwrites...
[11-Nov-2009 15:46:57] <rmatte> it didn't overwrite it
[11-Nov-2009 15:47:02] <rmatte> now to clear the info and remodel...
[11-Nov-2009 15:47:07] <mrayzenoss> poop, SNMP is overwriting it too
[11-Nov-2009 15:47:27] <rmatte> ok, so hw and software info are blank...
[11-Nov-2009 15:47:37] <rmatte> remodelling...
[11-Nov-2009 15:47:59] <rmatte> and it populated the info
[11-Nov-2009 15:48:01] <mrayzenoss> before http://imagebin.org/71350 after http://imagebin.org/71351
[11-Nov-2009 15:48:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[11-Nov-2009 15:48:23] <rmatte> so yeh, in 2.4.5 with that patch that I detailed on the Post-2.4.5 wiki entry, it works perfectly as expected
[11-Nov-2009 15:49:04] <mrayzenoss> before (SNMP) http://imagebin.org/71352 and after http://imagebin.org/71353
[11-Nov-2009 15:49:12] <rmatte> the patch for this: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5473
[11-Nov-2009 15:49:23] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[11-Nov-2009 15:49:33] <mrayzenoss> ahhh, so that's still Stone Crab, not in 2.5
[11-Nov-2009 15:50:49] <jrock2004> It will also overwrite the OS make and version as well
[11-Nov-2009 15:51:01] <rmatte> yes, but the thing is that even with the partially completed patch it works perfectly, besides the small issue detailed in the trac ticket
[11-Nov-2009 15:51:13] <rmatte> but in 2.5 it overwrites when it shouldn't
[11-Nov-2009 15:53:31] <mrayzenoss> so it was broken in 2.4.5 and it's still broken in 2.5? 7 weeks ago to trunk… was that before or after the 2.5.x branch...
[11-Nov-2009 15:55:06] <jrock2004> Thank heavens it did not overwrite serial#'s
[11-Nov-2009 15:55:12] <rmatte> lol
[11-Nov-2009 15:55:21] <rmatte> that would really suck
[11-Nov-2009 16:01:57] <jrock2004> rmatte: you a Senators fan?
[11-Nov-2009 16:04:20] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: pushed 5473 back on the 2.5.2 review stack
[11-Nov-2009 16:07:08] <rmatte> thanks :)
[11-Nov-2009 16:07:20] <rmatte> jrock2004: yeh, I'm a sens fan
[11-Nov-2009 16:08:17] <jrock2004> I use to live in Buffalo and would go up to Canada. I really love that Country
[11-Nov-2009 16:08:36] <rmatte> yeh, I like this city
[11-Nov-2009 16:09:02] <jrock2004> I always wanted to head up there. I heard there are some great things to do
[11-Nov-2009 16:10:13] <rmatte> yeh, it's not bad, it's not like Toronto or anything, but it's nice
[11-Nov-2009 16:14:50] <jrock2004> So I see you got some points on zenoss site. Is this for answering questions in forum or is it zenpacks and patches?
[11-Nov-2009 16:16:31] <rmatte> you get 1 point per post and 5 points if someone marks your post as a correct answer
[11-Nov-2009 16:16:31] <mrayzenoss> You get points for posting on the forums, answering questions and posting documents
[11-Nov-2009 16:16:51] <rmatte> ah, didn't know there were points for posting documents, cool
[11-Nov-2009 16:17:23] <jrock2004> Documents could be like tutorials on how to do things in Zenoss I assume
[11-Nov-2009 16:18:08] <mrayzenoss> yeah, wiki articles or postings to other locations
[11-Nov-2009 16:21:48] <jb> hrm, what causes the SSH events (no password found)?
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:04] <jb> (im only concerned about SNMP based monitoring)
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:05] <jrock2004> is the password set in zProperties
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:13] <jb> i want to disable SSH *
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:22] <jrock2004> ok go into zProperties
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:26] <jrock2004> for that device
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:42] <jrock2004> Let me look up the exact field
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:44] <jb> yeah
[11-Nov-2009 16:22:48] <jb> i can't find it
[11-Nov-2009 16:23:38] <rmatte> zCommandPassword or something
[11-Nov-2009 16:23:50] <jrock2004> rmatte: he wants to disable ssh
[11-Nov-2009 16:23:55] <jb> yeah
[11-Nov-2009 16:24:07] <jb> maybe zcommanduser is set
[11-Nov-2009 16:24:12] <jrock2004> jb: did you remove all collector plugins
[11-Nov-2009 16:24:22] <rmatte> yeh I was right
[11-Nov-2009 16:24:24] <jrock2004> fo ssh
[11-Nov-2009 16:24:36] <rmatte> zcommanduser and zcommandpassword need to be completely blank
[11-Nov-2009 16:24:48] <rmatte> otherwise it will try to use them
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:02] <jrock2004> ah gotcha
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:48] <mrayzenoss> Here are the current settings for how many "points" you get for each activity:
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:48] <mrayzenoss> Posting or responding to forum threads. 1
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:48] <mrayzenoss> Correctly answered forum thread questions. 4
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:48] <mrayzenoss> Helpful responses to forum thread questions. 2
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:48] <mrayzenoss> Creating new documents. 4
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:49] <mrayzenoss> Creating new blog posts. 3
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:51] <mrayzenoss> Completing tasks in a project. 1
[11-Nov-2009 16:25:53] <mrayzenoss> Creating a new video. 3
[11-Nov-2009 16:26:09] <mrayzenoss> don't know what projects are...
[11-Nov-2009 16:26:18] <jb> zenpacks?
[11-Nov-2009 16:26:19] <jb> :)
[11-Nov-2009 16:26:31] <mrayzenoss> you know, I asked for a way to manually give people points
[11-Nov-2009 16:26:41] <mrayzenoss> they don't have it, so it's on our wishlist
[11-Nov-2009 16:27:44] <jrock2004> How do you post videos? You link to an external site in the forum?
[11-Nov-2009 16:28:36] <mrayzenoss> when you create a document or a forum post, I believe there's an embed video option
[11-Nov-2009 16:28:50] <chudler> zenpack: 100 points ;-)
[11-Nov-2009 16:29:01] <mrayzenoss> that's exactly what I wanted it for
[11-Nov-2009 16:30:52] <chudler> that guy (what's his name? James?).. he would get about 10,000 points for his work in the old forum.
[11-Nov-2009 16:32:03] <chudler> James Pulver, yeah thats it. Does he still post? I dont follow the forums since I turned off email support :-/
[11-Nov-2009 16:39:52] <majikman> yea, james pulver is still pretty active
[11-Nov-2009 16:40:43] <jrock2004> Ok I am trying to understand in creating your own commands. So lets say I wanted to create a command that does ls -a / Would I have to throw an ssh command?
[11-Nov-2009 16:40:45] <jb> is there a core zenpack archive for deb/ubuntu?
[11-Nov-2009 16:40:52] <jb> that contains all of the core zenpacks?
[11-Nov-2009 16:41:35] <jrock2004> docs/DOC-3377 Would give you some Ubuntu support
[11-Nov-2009 16:41:41] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Ubuntu Linux (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 16:45:35] <mrayzenoss> man, I'm still behind James Pulver in the rankings...
[11-Nov-2009 16:46:13] <mrayzenoss> I guess he gives more correct answers
[11-Nov-2009 16:46:16] <mrayzenoss> :p
[11-Nov-2009 16:47:16] <jrock2004> Can I create a command that does an ls -a /home on my Linux Servers?
[11-Nov-2009 16:52:05] <mrayzenoss> yeah, a command data source could do that
[11-Nov-2009 16:54:32] <rmatte> you'd need to write some sort of expect script to do it
[11-Nov-2009 16:54:42] <rmatte> but what's the point of doing that?
[11-Nov-2009 16:54:48] <rmatte> are you listing number of files, or what?
[11-Nov-2009 16:54:53] <majikman> is there a way to generate a chart of when error level events have been thrown?
[11-Nov-2009 16:55:04] <rmatte> ls -al / | wc -l to count files
[11-Nov-2009 16:55:25] <jrock2004> That was an example
[11-Nov-2009 16:55:29] <rmatte> majikman: not built in, that would take some dev work to make
[11-Nov-2009 16:55:54] <jrock2004> What I would really love to do is right from zenoss create custom commands that could restart services like apache or msql
[11-Nov-2009 16:55:58] <majikman> so... couldn't even do it with a zenpack?
[11-Nov-2009 16:56:15] <majikman> jrock2004, you can do that when events get thrwon
[11-Nov-2009 16:56:21] <majikman> or at least, that was my understanding
[11-Nov-2009 16:57:18] <jrock2004> The only issue with that would be is I may not always want to restart that service
[11-Nov-2009 16:57:57] <jrock2004> So if I get an error I would love to look it over and if I decide I need to restart mysql then I will just go to commands and excute it
[11-Nov-2009 16:58:06] <rmatte> majikman: there are no zenpacks in existence that do what you're describing
[11-Nov-2009 16:58:29] <majikman> so if you want the option to restart it, then how could zenoss possibly restart servicse?
[11-Nov-2009 16:59:06] <rmatte> jrock2004: you can do that, just configure a transform to kick off a script for a particular event that connects to the device and issues the appropriate commands. it's quite achievable
[11-Nov-2009 16:59:44] <rmatte> but I'm a firm believer that there should be some human element involved in any troubleshooting
[11-Nov-2009 16:59:48] <jrock2004> rmatte: But can I make it that I choose when to run it. I do not want zenoss to decide that
[11-Nov-2009 16:59:55] <rmatte> I hate having automated systems that kick off and actually change stuff
[11-Nov-2009 17:00:11] <jrock2004> See I still want to troubleshoot
[11-Nov-2009 17:00:25] <majikman> jrock2004, you're asking for two mutually exclusive things
[11-Nov-2009 17:00:27] <majikman> which oen do you want?
[11-Nov-2009 17:00:28] <rmatte> jrock2004: you mean like a button that you click?
[11-Nov-2009 17:00:37] <rmatte> jrock2004: that would take a hell of a lot of dev work
[11-Nov-2009 17:01:08] <rmatte> jrock2004: you should ALWAYS be logging in to a device to check logs and stuff when a service fails
[11-Nov-2009 17:01:15] <rmatte> so just start it back up while you're in
[11-Nov-2009 17:01:29] <rmatte> automation is not best practice
[11-Nov-2009 17:01:39] <rmatte> (in the majority of cases)
[11-Nov-2009 17:01:59] <majikman> gah... whats with google having all the old zenoss platforms being cached? its so annoying trying to read stuff from google
[11-Nov-2009 17:02:53] <jrock2004> I have a server that is very under powered. At times when you run a report on this device the reports stop responding. I get a call when this happens and I restart the mysql DB and it works.
[11-Nov-2009 17:03:15] <jrock2004> I wish I could get budgeting to allow me to get another server but they are stingy
[11-Nov-2009 17:03:37] <jrock2004> so I was hoping since I started to use zenoss that I couls create a shortcut
[11-Nov-2009 17:04:10] <majikman> it seems to me there is a better way to fxi a problem than just restarting a server
[11-Nov-2009 17:04:57] <jrock2004> ok this DB has over 4 million records
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:22] <jrock2004> it is running on a 150MHz process with 512MB of ram.
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:27] <majikman> WOW
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:29] <majikman> lol
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:30] <mrayzenoss> yikes
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:34] <jrock2004> Yes
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:37] <rhettardo> may have just found a bug in 2.5. if you lock an IP Service and disable monitoring and then re-enable monitoring the services that you had dont appear. when you go to add the services back they show up as locked and it dosnt save them
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:38] <mrayzenoss> OK, a few quick notes
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:52] <jrock2004> I cry everyday to get this server replaced
[11-Nov-2009 17:05:52] <majikman> 150mhz??? that sounds like a P1 or P2
[11-Nov-2009 17:06:03] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: You can add custom commands to run whenever you want
[11-Nov-2009 17:06:18] <rhettardo> but thats ONLY when a service has monitoring set to false in the class
[11-Nov-2009 17:06:21] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: for additional troubleshooting or for restarting services manually
[11-Nov-2009 17:06:32] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: in addition to being able to do them with Event Commands
[11-Nov-2009 17:06:47] <jrock2004> I have tried that but it runs the command locally on the zenoss box and not the other device
[11-Nov-2009 17:06:49] <majikman> man, if your CFO or whatever is that cheap to just get at least an old P4... i feel bad for you
[11-Nov-2009 17:07:02] <majikman> i think you can get a box off of craigslist for like 50 bucks
[11-Nov-2009 17:07:23] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: you could probably make your command something like "ssh ${here.ip} -c blah.sh"
[11-Nov-2009 17:07:25] <mrayzenoss> or whatever
[11-Nov-2009 17:07:34] <mrayzenoss> it uses TALES, so you could pass it a server
[11-Nov-2009 17:07:48] <mrayzenoss> and your SSH creds
[11-Nov-2009 17:08:03] <mrayzenoss> or since it's running as the zenoss user, it would just use your keys
[11-Nov-2009 17:09:01] <jrock2004> Will try that out
[11-Nov-2009 17:10:40] <mrayzenoss> jrock2004: docs/DOC-3926 User Commands
[11-Nov-2009 17:10:46] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 10.1 User Commands (at community.zenoss.org)
[11-Nov-2009 17:11:06] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: Thanks
[11-Nov-2009 17:12:04] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: oh right, I forgot about the run command menu
[11-Nov-2009 17:12:38] <jrock2004> Yeah that is what I was trying to use to create that command
[11-Nov-2009 17:13:00] <mrayzenoss> majikman: you could monitor the number of events by watching the mysql database
[11-Nov-2009 17:13:36] <majikman> mrayzenoss, yea... monitoring events isn't really the issue right now. they want pretty graphs that they can look at
[11-Nov-2009 17:13:55] <mrayzenoss> what about the collector performance graphs?
[11-Nov-2009 17:14:09] <mrayzenoss> Collectors->localhost->Performance?
[11-Nov-2009 17:15:38] <majikman> ahh.... thats interesting. but what they're looking for more are buttons for each hour. for each hour, its green if nothing happened and red if there were some events > $error_level. they can click on the red buttons and it'd list to them all the events that happened during that hour
[11-Nov-2009 17:16:14] <majikman> kinda like how you guys already have the event listing for devices right now. they just wnat a historical view
[11-Nov-2009 17:17:03] <mrayzenoss> kinda like a historical view of the Event Classes report? Or with graphics?
[11-Nov-2009 17:17:11] <mrayzenoss> wait… it's management… graphics :)
[11-Nov-2009 17:17:49] <majikman> haha... yea, graphics
[11-Nov-2009 17:19:40] <jrock2004> hmm the ssh command is getting errors about the libcrypto
[11-Nov-2009 17:23:19] <jrock2004> well off to go home will have to work on this tomorrow
[11-Nov-2009 17:23:26] <jrock2004> thanks for all your guys help
[11-Nov-2009 17:26:14] <rmatte> np
[11-Nov-2009 17:27:15] <rmatte> majikman: then you've got some development work on your hands lol
[11-Nov-2009 17:31:48] <majikman> lol... yea. i'll do that later
[11-Nov-2009 17:36:43] <rmatte> well, I'm out for the day, later guys
[11-Nov-2009 17:37:13] <mrayzenoss> see you later
[11-Nov-2009 18:02:35] <majikman> anyoen else still around?
[11-Nov-2009 18:03:41] <majikman> i'm trying to graph how long it takes to connect to my mysql server from my zenoss server. i'm using a command data source right now but i don't know how to get the time to be output. any idea how i can do this?
[11-Nov-2009 18:04:43] <__jd__> define connect
[11-Nov-2009 18:04:43] <__jd__> :)
[11-Nov-2009 18:05:03] <majikman> just connect to the database and disconnect
[11-Nov-2009 18:05:11] <__jd__> actually authenticate, etc?
[11-Nov-2009 18:05:13] <__jd__> or just open the port?
[11-Nov-2009 18:05:14] <majikman> yes
[11-Nov-2009 18:05:17] <majikman> authenticate
[11-Nov-2009 18:05:59] <majikman> this is the command i'm using... /usr/bin/mysql -h${dev/manageIp} -usome_user -psoem_pass -e"quit"
[11-Nov-2009 18:06:18] <__jd__> time echo | mysql ....
[11-Nov-2009 18:06:31] <__jd__> you'll probably have to reformat the output with awk/sed etc
[11-Nov-2009 18:06:39] <__jd__> but that's the easiest way I cna think of :)
[11-Nov-2009 18:06:40] <wildcard0> might want to add a database to that line
[11-Nov-2009 18:06:48] <__jd__> yea
[11-Nov-2009 18:07:31] <majikman> yea... i was trying to mess with the format but time apparently takes EVERYTHIGN after the time command as a parameter
[11-Nov-2009 18:07:41] <majikman> so i can't pipe, redirect, or do anything with the output from time
[11-Nov-2009 18:07:57] <__jd__> try /usr/bin/time
[11-Nov-2009 18:08:02] <__jd__> I'm pretty sure it can't do that
[11-Nov-2009 18:08:17] <__jd__> or wait
[11-Nov-2009 18:08:22] <__jd__> it's probably printing to stderr
[11-Nov-2009 18:08:24] <__jd__> did you do 2>&1?
[11-Nov-2009 18:09:03] <majikman> ahh.... i needed to specify /usr/bin/time
[11-Nov-2009 18:09:12] <majikman> using just time didn't work
[11-Nov-2009 18:09:21] <__jd__> the shell builtin can probably do some trickery that /usr/bin/time is incapable of :)
[11-Nov-2009 18:09:40] <majikman> sweet.... now i should be able to get it. thanks!
[11-Nov-2009 18:10:52] <__jd__> oh nice
[11-Nov-2009 18:11:03] <__jd__> if you're using GNU time.. you can format the string
[11-Nov-2009 18:11:04] <majikman> sweet... now i can use the -f parameter too. i won't need to use awk or sed anymore
[11-Nov-2009 18:11:09] <__jd__> haha, yea :)
[11-Nov-2009 18:11:18] <majikman> yea... the -f parameter wouldn't work when i wasn't passing the absolute path
[11-Nov-2009 18:12:16] <wildcard0> what exactly are you trying to do?
[11-Nov-2009 18:12:35] <__jd__> he's trying to time how long it takes to connect to MySQL and graph it
[11-Nov-2009 18:13:02] <wildcard0> ah
[11-Nov-2009 18:13:33] <majikman> hmm... i don't think time and /usr/bin/time are even the same commands
[11-Nov-2009 18:13:40] <__jd__> they're not
[11-Nov-2009 18:13:46] <__jd__> one is built into the shell
[11-Nov-2009 18:13:57] <majikman> oh... that explains it
[11-Nov-2009 18:21:46] <majikman> __jd__, just food for your brain... http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/032
[11-Nov-2009 18:21:56] <adytum-bot> Title: BashFAQ/032 - Greg's Wiki (at mywiki.wooledge.org)
[11-Nov-2009 18:22:19] <__jd__> hah
[11-Nov-2009 18:22:24] <__jd__> I even called it trickery :)
[11-Nov-2009 18:23:03] <__jd__> makes sense
[11-Nov-2009 18:23:14] <majikman> there is plenty of trickery going on here to get this working with bash's time
[11-Nov-2009 18:24:26] <__jd__> in any case, I think '-f' is too good to pass up ;)
[11-Nov-2009 18:24:45] <majikman> yea... -f is way nicer
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[11-Nov-2009 19:00:25] <majikman> is it possible to make a local copy of a template for every device in a class? or do i need to do it one at a time?
[11-Nov-2009 20:23:07] <Rocinante> I've had - for some time now - syslog-ng running on my zenoss server, gathering all the logs and feeding them back to zenoss on a different port. The "parsehost" option used to properly get the hostname from the log, so that events were attributed to the right device. Since upgrading from 2.3.x to 2.5.0 (with a stop at 2.4.5 on the way) now all the log entries get "localhost.localdomain" as the originating device.
[11-Nov-2009 20:23:24] <Rocinante> Is there some other option, or is this broken (either intentionally or unintentionally)?
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[12-Nov-2009 00:44:38] <MACscr> any plans to move away from zope any time soon?
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[12-Nov-2009 06:57:54] <sergeymasushko> Is there a way to monitor mysql replication delay?
[12-Nov-2009 08:35:18] <sergeymasushko> anybody alive?
[12-Nov-2009 08:50:08] <jrock2004> I am
[12-Nov-2009 08:57:20] <sergeymasushko> have you customized zenpacks?
[12-Nov-2009 08:57:49] <jrock2004> Nope sorry
[12-Nov-2009 08:58:04] <jrock2004> Have not gotten into created or editing zenpacks
[12-Nov-2009 08:58:59] <sergeymasushko> :(
[12-Nov-2009 09:08:12] <ke4qqq> Is it expected behavior for device availability to reset to 100% when I rename the device??
[12-Nov-2009 09:08:51] <jrock2004> I would think as long as you do not change IP address it should stay the same
[12-Nov-2009 09:09:38] <ke4qqq> yeah that's what I was thinking - I know there was a bug many many moons ago where all data was lost after a rename, but first I have seen this, and wanted a sanity check.
[12-Nov-2009 09:11:00] <jrock2004> Yeah I found an issue is 2.5 where if you manually set HW make and model, they get overwritten when device does its check
[12-Nov-2009 09:25:24] <zuez> when you have a virtual IP to monitor, which can be on any individual node at any given time (depending on system failure etc), it makes sense to monitor the VIP as a device, even if you're already monitoring the device the VIP is on, right?
[12-Nov-2009 09:25:31] <zuez> (sorry if that sounds confusing), I'm sure it's a common question though
[12-Nov-2009 09:26:31] <jrock2004> Are you talking about virtual machines?
[12-Nov-2009 09:26:38] <zuez> nope, virtual IP
[12-Nov-2009 09:26:42] <jrock2004> ok
[12-Nov-2009 09:26:56] <jrock2004> just checking to make sure I understood your question
[12-Nov-2009 09:26:56] <zuez> so say I have a DRBD setup, for a mysql box... I have a virtual IP that floats between two boxes
[12-Nov-2009 09:26:59] <zuez> in case one of the boxes dies
[12-Nov-2009 09:28:10] <jrock2004> That is a pretty cool setup
[12-Nov-2009 09:28:37] <jrock2004> It would be intresting to talk more about that set
[12-Nov-2009 09:28:38] <rmatte> yeh, we had that for the database on our old setup, worked nicely
[12-Nov-2009 09:28:42] <jrock2004> *setup
[12-Nov-2009 09:29:15] <zuez> It's a pretty trivial setup, DRBD + Heartbeat, I can pull the plug on one box, and have MySQL+Apache+PHP good to go on another box
[12-Nov-2009 09:29:29] <zuez> this solution is ok for a mission critical server where you don't care about wasting resources on one box
[12-Nov-2009 09:29:40] <zuez> because the box that's just waiting on standby can't even do read queries for that matter...
[12-Nov-2009 09:29:53] <jrock2004> how do you keep the database data up to date? Replication
[12-Nov-2009 09:29:55] <zuez> I just want to make sure I monitor it properly and I suppose it makes sense to monitor the VIP, not the actual box itself
[12-Nov-2009 09:30:03] <zuez> I can just do a Ping monitor for the actual physical nodes
[12-Nov-2009 09:30:27] <zuez> jrock2004: DRBD just manages to replicate the filesystem itself at the block level to the other node
[12-Nov-2009 09:30:42] <zuez> it's not at the application level which mysql replication usually does it at
[12-Nov-2009 09:32:34] <jrock2004> zuez: going back to your original question I would side with the way you have ti setup now
[12-Nov-2009 09:33:24] <zuez> ok cool, just making sure it made sense
[12-Nov-2009 09:33:36] <zuez> I'm still a noob with Zenoss, I'm still reading on how to add ping checks and alerts
[12-Nov-2009 09:33:45] <gwb2351> btw, the zendmd script that can show what templates are bound to which devices is short n' sweet. For your own enjoyment: http://pastebin.com/m746c481c
[12-Nov-2009 09:33:55] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[12-Nov-2009 09:35:14] <jrock2004> zuez: Yeah I currently do MySQL replication to sync my database to another the only issue is if the master goes down I cannot write to the slave DB. DRDB sounds like it might be a better solution
[12-Nov-2009 09:35:36] <jrock2004> *DRBD
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:16] <zuez> well they're two different problems, don't forget
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:38] <zuez> replication affords you better horizontal scaling in that you can use your slave node for read queries, especially if you have a read heavy web app or something
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:43] <zuez> with drbd, I don't have that luxury
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:43] <jb> :P
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:48] <jb> hai pwnie
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:49] <zuez> but I also don't have to deal with mysql replication
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:50] <zuez> which I hate
[12-Nov-2009 09:36:57] <zuez> jb :-)
[12-Nov-2009 09:37:39] <jb> you talking about monitorin your clusters?
[12-Nov-2009 09:38:27] <jrock2004> The issue I have is if my master server goes down my website is dead.
[12-Nov-2009 09:38:30] <zuez> yeah
[12-Nov-2009 09:38:36] <zuez> VIP usually stands in front of a cluster
[12-Nov-2009 09:38:37] <zuez> but
[12-Nov-2009 09:38:41] <zuez> in this case, it's just two nodes really
[12-Nov-2009 09:38:47] <zuez> and whatever node is active assumes ownership over the VIP
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:17] <jrock2004> Now I could write some code that when the master server goes down my site becomes readonly
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:21] <jb> well
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:24] <jb> on my mysql clusters
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:31] <zuez> jb: I still have no clue how to get rid of this alert SshUserAuth: no password found -- has zCommandPassword been set?
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:34] <jb> i just monitor the primary node
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:41] <zuez> I don't have a password for zCommandPassword and I don't use SSH for alerting
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:47] <jb> do you have zCommandUser set?
[12-Nov-2009 09:39:51] <zuez> let me see
[12-Nov-2009 09:40:12] <zuez> zCommandUserName is empty
[12-Nov-2009 09:40:18] <jb> hmmm
[12-Nov-2009 09:40:31] <jb> for the device class?
[12-Nov-2009 09:40:38] <jrock2004> zuez: for the device do you have collector plugins set
[12-Nov-2009 09:40:43] <jrock2004> for ssh
[12-Nov-2009 09:43:36] <zuez> jb: It's /device/server/linux
[12-Nov-2009 09:43:42] <zuez> jrock2004: Not sure, let me check
[12-Nov-2009 09:44:36] <rmatte> zuez: what about zCommandUser?
[12-Nov-2009 09:44:39] <rmatte> has it been set?
[12-Nov-2009 09:44:48] <zuez> These are the only ones I have for that class: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57676/screenshots/collector1.png
[12-Nov-2009 09:44:59] <zuez> rmatte: Checking
[12-Nov-2009 09:45:23] <zuez> I don't even have a zCommandUser, only zCommandUserName
[12-Nov-2009 09:45:29] <rmatte> that's what I meant
[12-Nov-2009 09:45:36] <rmatte> (doing this off the top of my head)
[12-Nov-2009 09:45:39] <rmatte> is that populated?
[12-Nov-2009 09:45:59] <rmatte> (if there is even so much as a space in either field you'll have that issue
[12-Nov-2009 09:46:05] <rmatte> they need to be completely blank)
[12-Nov-2009 09:46:59] <zuez> well I'll remove any characters there, but I'm almost certain it's properly set to an empty string
[12-Nov-2009 09:47:52] <jrock2004> zuez: What template is the device bound too
[12-Nov-2009 09:49:35] <zuez> trying to figure out how to check that :-)
[12-Nov-2009 09:50:55] <jrock2004> go into the device itself
[12-Nov-2009 09:51:20] <jrock2004> click the little drop down arrow and go to more templates
[12-Nov-2009 09:52:56] <jrock2004> rmatte: Yeah he says that they are blank
[12-Nov-2009 09:53:25] <zuez> Looks like it just has a performance template?
[12-Nov-2009 09:53:30] <rmatte> jrock2004: that's fine, just wanted to make absolutely sure
[12-Nov-2009 09:53:45] * jrock2004 understands
[12-Nov-2009 09:53:48] <rmatte> jrock2004: I've seen it a few times where people were like "It's blan.... oh wait... there was a space!"
[12-Nov-2009 09:53:58] <rmatte> lol
[12-Nov-2009 09:54:01] <jrock2004> are you talking about me :)
[12-Nov-2009 09:54:05] <rmatte> nope
[12-Nov-2009 09:54:08] * rmatte whistles
[12-Nov-2009 09:54:15] <jrock2004> lol
[12-Nov-2009 09:54:36] <jrock2004> I have learned to double triple check before asking the questions
[12-Nov-2009 09:54:51] <zuez> hmph jrock
[12-Nov-2009 09:54:55] <zuez> when I click the down arrow
[12-Nov-2009 09:55:12] <zuez> clicking on the Templates page takes me to the same page
[12-Nov-2009 09:55:13] <rmatte> More -> Templates
[12-Nov-2009 09:55:27] <jrock2004> ok on the left click Device List
[12-Nov-2009 09:55:53] <jrock2004> Then click on the device that is having the issue
[12-Nov-2009 09:56:04] <zuez> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57676/screenshots/templates.png
[12-Nov-2009 09:56:54] <rmatte> yeh, so it only has the snmp template bound to it
[12-Nov-2009 09:57:09] <rmatte> so it has to be a zProperties issue
[12-Nov-2009 09:57:13] <jrock2004> Yeah so that is not the issue
[12-Nov-2009 09:57:20] <zuez> i still haven't learned how to get more templates or bind the ones I need, not much information in the documentation about templates hehe
[12-Nov-2009 09:57:53] <rmatte> zuez: there's tons of info about it in the Zenoss Admin Guide
[12-Nov-2009 09:57:59] <jrock2004> zuez: Have you cleared the event to see if it comes back?
[12-Nov-2009 09:58:02] <rmatte> you just need to actually read it top to bottom
[12-Nov-2009 09:58:48] <jrock2004> I would acknoledge the event about the ssh and clear it out. Then remodel the device and see if that error comes back
[12-Nov-2009 09:59:35] <zuez> Ok, sounds good guys
[12-Nov-2009 09:59:43] <jb> so zuez
[12-Nov-2009 09:59:56] <jb> to bind a tempate
[12-Nov-2009 10:00:08] <jb> click the down aarow next to "Performance Templates" in your SS
[12-Nov-2009 10:00:19] <zuez> oh one more question: how am I supposed to decipher what events like this mean? threshold of DellStorageCntlr status exceeded: current value 4.00
[12-Nov-2009 10:00:34] <zuez> jb: yeah it asks for a template id
[12-Nov-2009 10:00:39] <zuez> i'm not sure what ids I have available
[12-Nov-2009 10:02:28] <jb> http://thunder.jbdesign.net/~jbaird/zenoss/templates.jpg
[12-Nov-2009 10:02:34] <jb> is how you would bind the MySQl template
[12-Nov-2009 10:02:49] <jrock2004> As far as bind more templates to a device. You know that screenshot you posted
[12-Nov-2009 10:03:13] <zuez> Ah I don't have all of those templates available
[12-Nov-2009 10:03:16] <zuez> let me check again though
[12-Nov-2009 10:03:16] <rmatte> zuez: that's just a badly named threshold
[12-Nov-2009 10:03:21] <jrock2004> go back to that screen and click the arrow left of the word performance and click bind template
[12-Nov-2009 10:03:38] <rmatte> zuez: it just means that a threshold called DellStorageCntlr exceeded it's maximum or minimum threshold level
[12-Nov-2009 10:03:56] <rmatte> zuez: you need to go through the templates for the device that the alert came in for and find the threshold
[12-Nov-2009 10:04:17] <zuez> this is all I have available jb http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57676/screenshots/bindtemplate.png
[12-Nov-2009 10:04:39] <zuez> rmatte: Ah ok, I just want to know what the threshold is for before I toggle it
[12-Nov-2009 10:04:41] <jb> do you have the MySQL monitor zenpack installed?
[12-Nov-2009 10:04:57] <zuez> I need to get that zenpack with all the other zenpacks in it don't I
[12-Nov-2009 10:05:00] <jb> yes :)
[12-Nov-2009 10:05:01] <zuez> I only have like 3 of them installed
[12-Nov-2009 10:05:10] <zuez> let's see if I can find the grand master zenpack
[12-Nov-2009 10:05:32] <jrock2004> I would recommend to install only the zenpacks you need
[12-Nov-2009 10:05:41] <jrock2004> but that is my 2 cents
[12-Nov-2009 10:06:09] <rmatte> zuez: you'd need to find the datapoint that the threshold is for, then take the OID and google it to see if you can find a description of what it ios
[12-Nov-2009 10:06:16] <rmatte> s/ios/is
[12-Nov-2009 10:06:41] <rmatte> yeh, don't go randomly installing ZenPacks just because they "look nice"
[12-Nov-2009 10:06:58] <rmatte> only install what you need and make sure you actually know what you're installing (read up on them in detail first)
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:00] <zuez> well
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:08] <zuez> I just don't understand somethings like, why would I need an Apache ZenPack
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:13] <rmatte> there are a lot of bad ZenPacks
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:14] <zuez> just see if tcp/80 is responsive
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:15] <zuez> and be done with it
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:24] <rmatte> you don't
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:25] <jrock2004> Do you run an apache server
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:29] <zuez> open a socket, if it doesn't respond, stuff is down
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:31] <rmatte> the apache ZenPack graphs a whole bunch of stuff
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:35] <rmatte> like requests per minute
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:36] <rmatte> or whatever
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:38] <jb> rmatte: im creating a multi-graph report.. need to add the network utilization for several devices.. how can I figure out what datapoint i should use?
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:39] <zuez> I do, I run lots of daemons
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:43] <rmatte> it's for advanced monitoring of apache
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:52] <jb> uhm
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:56] <rmatte> if you just want to monitor port 80, or any other port, Zenoss already has that functionality built in
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:59] <jb> the apache zenpack offers lots of more functionality
[12-Nov-2009 10:07:59] <zuez> rmatte: so where can I find information for just monitoring http without all the pretty graphs?
[12-Nov-2009 10:08:02] <jb> it adds several performance graphs
[12-Nov-2009 10:08:10] <jb> based on the stats output of apache
[12-Nov-2009 10:08:14] <zuez> rmatte: that's what I'm looking for, the built in functionality first
[12-Nov-2009 10:08:32] <rmatte> zuez: once again, in the Zenoss admin guide
[12-Nov-2009 10:08:50] <rmatte> zuez: read the guide, it's a long read but it will answer 90% of the questions that you're bound to ask in here over the next few days
[12-Nov-2009 10:09:02] <zuez> Ok np
[12-Nov-2009 10:09:23] <rmatte> it's about 170 pages but you can skip the last 30 or so since they are specific to the Enterprise version
[12-Nov-2009 10:09:39] <jrock2004> zuez: rmatte gave me that same stuff he just gave you and it works. The admin guide is very helpful for the basics
[12-Nov-2009 10:09:52] <mdereus> zuez: Yes, from one noob to another, read the documentation. Or just search the PDF file for what you're looking for.
[12-Nov-2009 10:09:55] <zuez> Ok, I shall not ask anymore questions until that thing is read ;-)
[12-Nov-2009 10:09:57] <rmatte> hehe, it's the same thing I tell everyone, and it always helps :)
[12-Nov-2009 10:10:20] <zuez> Just making sure we're on the same page... Zenoss_Administration_2.4.3.pdf
[12-Nov-2009 10:10:21] <rmatte> I managed to power through it in a day, but you should be able to do it in like 2 days at a mild pace
[12-Nov-2009 10:10:33] <rmatte> zuez: yessir
[12-Nov-2009 10:10:34] <jrock2004> zenoss should make a bot that when certain things are asked it posts a link to the admin guide :)
[12-Nov-2009 10:10:51] <rmatte> zuez: the 2.5 version is incomplete at this point I believe, to 2.4.3 is the way to go
[12-Nov-2009 10:10:54] <jrock2004> what version are you running of zenoss?
[12-Nov-2009 10:11:17] <rmatte> jrock2004: I'm pretty sure that the 2.5 guide is missing some sections, so he should read through the 2.4.3 guide for now
[12-Nov-2009 10:11:25] <rmatte> jrock2004: it's mostly all the same stuff anyways
[12-Nov-2009 10:11:44] <jrock2004> it is I was just curious on the version he was running
[12-Nov-2009 10:12:00] <jrock2004> I agree I have scanned both of those docs
[12-Nov-2009 10:12:11] <rmatte> ah
[12-Nov-2009 10:12:19] <rmatte> chances are that he's running 2.5
[12-Nov-2009 10:15:12] <zuez> only other problem I need to solve is who the hell monitors the monitoring box itself ;-)
[12-Nov-2009 10:15:21] <zuez> will need to run some script from cron on a remote box
[12-Nov-2009 10:16:35] <rmatte> hehe
[12-Nov-2009 10:16:53] <rmatte> we have a separate Zenoss instance monitoring all of our Zenoss boxes, but we have 11 Zenoss Core boxes running
[12-Nov-2009 10:17:19] <jrock2004> I am bad I am using Nagios to monitor my zenoss box
[12-Nov-2009 10:17:20] <zuez> damn
[12-Nov-2009 10:17:30] <rmatte> jrock2004: for shame
[12-Nov-2009 10:17:32] <rmatte> lol
[12-Nov-2009 10:17:40] <jrock2004> I cry to hear that
[12-Nov-2009 10:17:50] <rmatte> :)
[12-Nov-2009 10:17:57] <zuez> I hope those 11 zenoss core boxes aren't because of zenoss scaling issues but more or less because you have a HUGE network of devices, cause I've seen nagios monitor 250+ devices np with two boxes
[12-Nov-2009 10:19:40] <rmatte> zuez: we're an MSP, each box is for a different client
[12-Nov-2009 10:19:42] <markeriv> hey all, i got a quick question for ya. I just want to monitor something via ping.
[12-Nov-2009 10:19:43] <jrock2004> I need to get another box that runs zenoss to monitor the other. Not sure how to do this just yet
[12-Nov-2009 10:19:48] <rmatte> zuez: and some of the boxes monitor multiple clients
[12-Nov-2009 10:20:08] <markeriv> When putting something into the devices/ping category it still complains about devices not authenticating with SNMP
[12-Nov-2009 10:20:12] <markeriv> anyway to shut it up?
[12-Nov-2009 10:20:30] <jrock2004> markeriv: Ok so go into zProperties remove the commandUsername and command Password and disabled SNMP
[12-Nov-2009 10:20:40] <markeriv> sweet
[12-Nov-2009 10:24:26] <markeriv> hmm all these fields are blank
[12-Nov-2009 10:28:30] <zuez> hey let me ask one more before I continue with this PDF ;-) if I have a device on /Device/Servers/Linux and not just on 'ping', how do I have it checked for ping / icmp responses also?
[12-Nov-2009 10:28:49] <markeriv> i like fping
[12-Nov-2009 10:28:51] <zuez> I mean I clearly want those boxes to trigger alerts if they aren't on /
[12-Nov-2009 10:28:58] <zuez> erf, if they aren't on /Device/Ping or whatever.
[12-Nov-2009 10:29:18] <jb> they will get pinged
[12-Nov-2009 10:29:28] <jb> unless you specifically disable it
[12-Nov-2009 10:30:44] <jrock2004> I found another glitch in 2.5
[12-Nov-2009 10:31:29] <jrock2004> When you add a device and you change change it from Production to like Pre-production it does not save that
[12-Nov-2009 10:32:05] <jrock2004> So if I add a box to the SSH/Linux class I get an event from the start about the zCommandPassword not being set
[12-Nov-2009 10:33:59] <RoundQube> anyone here familar with Asterisk monitoring? I'm using the plugin and its working quite great actually even thought it was labeled as unstable on the website. One issue I'm having with it is that when it comes to monitoring zap channels, it only graphs available so on my 1 PRI I have 23 avialble channels. Is there a way to change it to graph the number currently being used?
[12-Nov-2009 10:34:33] <rmatte> zuez: everything gets pinged unless you disable it
[12-Nov-2009 10:35:38] <rmatte> RoundQube: you'd have to add more datapoints to it manually, since Zenoss templates don't support dynamic datapoints
[12-Nov-2009 10:36:54] <rmatte> RoundQube: also, it's marked as unstable because it can apparently be very taxing on the Asterisk server itself
[12-Nov-2009 10:37:30] <rmatte> jrock2004: that's because of the SSH plugins
[12-Nov-2009 10:38:03] <jrock2004> I know I will get an event
[12-Nov-2009 10:38:38] <jrock2004> the issue is that because the event is generated and the server is put in production my team gets an email and SMS messages
[12-Nov-2009 10:39:24] <jrock2004> So when I add a device I believe I should be able to change the production state so when that event gets genereated I dont get SMS message
[12-Nov-2009 10:39:32] <rmatte> jrock2004: why do you even have it in that class if you're not properly monitoring it via SSH?
[12-Nov-2009 10:39:35] <rmatte> doesn't make any sense
[12-Nov-2009 10:39:50] <jrock2004> Ok I think we are not understanding each other here :)
[12-Nov-2009 10:40:00] <jrock2004> I want to monitor via ssh
[12-Nov-2009 10:40:36] <jrock2004> When I add a device I am not using the Easy add
[12-Nov-2009 10:40:43] <jrock2004> I switch to Advance add
[12-Nov-2009 10:40:59] <jrock2004> in advance add you cannot specify the ssh password for the device
[12-Nov-2009 10:41:15] <jrock2004> you have to add the device and go into the zProrties and add it
[12-Nov-2009 10:42:22] <jrock2004> So I am guessing when you want to use SSH you cannot use the Advance add. You have to use the easy add
[12-Nov-2009 10:44:06] <jrock2004> http://imagebin.ca/view/suw_OQ.html
[12-Nov-2009 10:44:16] <adytum-bot> Title: Screen shot 2009-11-12 at 11.42.46 AM.png (at imagebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 10:48:20] <sergeymasushko> Is there a way to monitor mysql replication delay?
[12-Nov-2009 10:48:49] <sergeymasushko> or how to adjust mysql monitor zenpack to do it?
[12-Nov-2009 11:06:10] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: check how it's gathering the info (SNMP, SSH), and then google for a solution
[12-Nov-2009 11:06:49] <jrock2004> Well you would need to run a command show slave status
[12-Nov-2009 11:08:42] <jrock2004> sergeymasushko: This might work docs/DOC-2484#comment-1288
[12-Nov-2009 11:08:59] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - MySQL Replication Slave Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[12-Nov-2009 11:09:08] <rmatte> jrock2004: nice find
[12-Nov-2009 11:09:27] <jrock2004> Thanks, see I am getting better ;0
[12-Nov-2009 11:09:31] <jrock2004> ;)
[12-Nov-2009 11:09:31] <rmatte> hehe
[12-Nov-2009 11:10:17] <sergeymasushko> thanks
[12-Nov-2009 11:10:36] <jrock2004> welcome
[12-Nov-2009 11:10:51] <jrock2004> I was just to start lookinf for this
[12-Nov-2009 11:12:19] <jrock2004> Download check_mysql_slave.py and place in $ZENHOME/libexec
[12-Nov-2009 11:12:44] <jrock2004> hmm I seem to not be able to find this directory. It seems to be escaping me lol
[12-Nov-2009 11:13:14] <sergeymasushko> /usr/local/zenoss
[12-Nov-2009 11:14:00] <rmatte> as the zenoss user just do cd $ZENHOME
[12-Nov-2009 11:14:02] <jrock2004> do not see a libexec directory
[12-Nov-2009 11:14:10] <jrock2004> I guess I will have to create it
[12-Nov-2009 11:14:12] <rmatte> it doesn't exist by default
[12-Nov-2009 11:14:21] <rmatte> I'd recommend creating a directory somewhere outside of $ZENHOME though
[12-Nov-2009 11:14:33] <rmatte> so that the script doesn't get fried during an upgrade or something
[12-Nov-2009 11:15:51] <jrock2004> so if I do that will I have to edit the python script
[12-Nov-2009 11:17:56] <rmatte> probably not
[12-Nov-2009 11:18:10] <rmatte> (I don't see why you'd have to)
[12-Nov-2009 11:18:23] <rmatte> you just need to edit whatever line calls on the script to look in a different location
[12-Nov-2009 11:18:44] <rmatte> which would be done in Zenoss
[12-Nov-2009 11:18:55] <jrock2004> ah gotcha
[12-Nov-2009 11:19:47] <jrock2004> ah you need to give the user SUPER access
[12-Nov-2009 11:20:00] <rmatte> DUPER!
[12-Nov-2009 11:20:41] <nzle> I just installed snmpinformant on an xp box and modeled it with zenoss but I have no filesystems detected. What do I need to do to get it to monitor space available on filesystems on windows.
[12-Nov-2009 11:20:43] <sergeymasushko> hm... I don't like to give zenoss user root access
[12-Nov-2009 11:20:43] <rmatte> ok, so now to figure out how to package this daemon as a ZenPack, need to have it done by tomorrow
[12-Nov-2009 11:21:58] <rmatte> ohhhhhh, I see
[12-Nov-2009 11:22:09] <rmatte> "Any file in a ZenPack's daemons directory is symlinked in $ZENHOME/bin when the ZenPack is installed."
[12-Nov-2009 11:22:19] <rmatte> so I just need to write a startup script that will work properly
[12-Nov-2009 11:22:37] <rmatte> sic, ok, time to try this...
[12-Nov-2009 11:23:10] <jrock2004> sergeymasushko: I gave my zenoss db user replication client privaleages and I dont get an error. I will continue and let you know if you can leave the super out
[12-Nov-2009 11:24:34] <jrock2004> rmatte: if you create a local copy of a template is that just making a template for a specific device?
[12-Nov-2009 11:24:40] <rmatte> man, was I overcomplicating this, this should be a piece of cake
[12-Nov-2009 11:24:55] <rmatte> jrock2004: a local copy will only exist on the object that you're creating it on
[12-Nov-2009 11:25:08] <jrock2004> ok cool
[12-Nov-2009 11:25:09] <rmatte> jrock2004: a local copy of an interface template only exists on that one specific interface for example
[12-Nov-2009 11:25:39] <sergeymasushko> I see
[12-Nov-2009 11:25:41] <jrock2004> so if I wanted to customize a template for a specific device I would create a local copy, correct?
[12-Nov-2009 11:25:51] <rmatte> correcto
[12-Nov-2009 11:25:52] <sergeymasushko> jus ti run the script without keys =)))
[12-Nov-2009 11:34:06] <jrock2004> rmatte: in the command template I would just put the URL to a file
[12-Nov-2009 11:48:09] <jrock2004> sergeymasushko: Have you tried to get this to work yet?
[12-Nov-2009 11:49:01] <sergeymasushko> jrock2004: not yet...
[12-Nov-2009 11:49:55] <jrock2004> ok cause I have not gotten the add data source to work yet
[12-Nov-2009 11:57:39] <jrock2004> Ok I figured it out
[12-Nov-2009 12:00:49] <rmatte> eugh, this blows...
[12-Nov-2009 12:01:08] <jrock2004> what does?
[12-Nov-2009 12:01:19] <rmatte> trying to figure out how to use os.environ in conjunction with config.read
[12-Nov-2009 12:01:23] <rmatte> I've tried: config.read(['%s/zenticket.conf']) % (str(os.environ['ZENHOME']))
[12-Nov-2009 12:01:37] <rmatte> and config.read([os.environ['ZENHOME']'/zenticket.conf'])
[12-Nov-2009 12:01:43] <rmatte> neither work
[12-Nov-2009 12:02:13] <rmatte> probably missing something really stupid
[12-Nov-2009 12:02:31] <zuez> Is it documented somewhere what permissions I have to give the zenoss user on my mysql database for the mysql zenpack to do its thing?
[12-Nov-2009 12:02:34] <majikman> so i know zenoss works with syslog-ng, but how about rsyslog?
[12-Nov-2009 12:02:47] <majikman> oh yea... had a question from yesterday i didn't get answered either.... is it possible to make a local copy of a template for every device in a class? or do i need to do it one at a time?
[12-Nov-2009 12:03:02] <rmatte> zuez: I'm pretty sure the MySQL ZenPack is covered in the admin guide since it's a core zenpack
[12-Nov-2009 12:03:17] <rmatte> majikman: one at a time
[12-Nov-2009 12:03:23] <majikman> zuez, i'm pretty sure all it needs is SHOW privileges though
[12-Nov-2009 12:03:41] <rmatte> majikman: I'm sure you could automate it somehow but it wouldn't be easy
[12-Nov-2009 12:04:11] <majikman> dang... that sucks when you have two classes of servers that need the same template but different settings
[12-Nov-2009 12:04:54] <zuez> oh it's in the extended guide, nm
[12-Nov-2009 12:06:38] <rmatte> ah, I think I need to use os.path.join
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:13] <jrock2004> You trying to make a zenpack?
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:19] <rmatte> eugh wtf
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:19] <rmatte> >>> os.environ['ZENHOME']
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:19] <rmatte> '/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss'
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:19] <rmatte> >>> zenconfpath = os.path.join(str(os.environ['ZENHOME']), '/etc/zenticket.conf')
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:19] <rmatte> >>> zenconfpath
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:21] <rmatte> '/etc/zenticket.conf'
[12-Nov-2009 12:13:46] <rmatte> so the function outputs /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss but when I try to join it to /etc/zenticket.conf I just get /etc/zentickets.conf, hmmm
[12-Nov-2009 12:14:03] <rmatte> ahhhhh
[12-Nov-2009 12:14:09] <rmatte> needed to remove the / before etc
[12-Nov-2009 12:33:33] <kobalt> ok I have a weird thing going on, I have a oid that collects a value (in this cause CRC errors, the oid reports it as a interger) I have it set to counter, I set the max threshold to 0 and it spewed out all the interface thresholds for the first round, but it keeps thowing the threshold with the same number every 5 min
[12-Nov-2009 12:34:13] <kobalt> I was under the impression it would set the current value then only throw addition threshold events when it incremented
[12-Nov-2009 12:36:41] <kobalt> am I doing something wrong?
[12-Nov-2009 12:40:35] <twm1010> howdy howdy
[12-Nov-2009 12:45:51] <rmatte> kobalt: you most likely have a repeat time set on your alerting rule
[12-Nov-2009 12:46:16] <kobalt> rmatte: sorry not alert but event in the event console
[12-Nov-2009 12:46:18] <rmatte> if repeat time is set to 300 you'll get an alert every 5 minutes while the event is in the active events
[12-Nov-2009 12:46:26] <twm1010> rmatte: You've got a good grasp on the rrdcreate commands?
[12-Nov-2009 12:46:35] <rmatte> twm1010: not really lol
[12-Nov-2009 12:46:44] <rmatte> twm1010: I stumble my way through when I need to
[12-Nov-2009 12:46:49] <kobalt> rmatte: I have not setup a alert just the threshold of CRC error event
[12-Nov-2009 12:46:58] <twm1010> I see the four lines, used by default to create an RRD file
[12-Nov-2009 12:47:03] <twm1010> for averages, at least
[12-Nov-2009 12:47:09] <rmatte> kobalt: so you're basically complaining that it's incrementing the event count on the threshold?
[12-Nov-2009 12:47:38] <rmatte> kobalt: Zenoss goes out every 5 minutes and polls, for each time that the threshold is violated it increments the event count until the threshold clears and it auto-clears the event
[12-Nov-2009 12:47:40] <kobalt> rmatte: it is but the value is not increasing
[12-Nov-2009 12:47:43] <rmatte> that is totally normal behaviour
[12-Nov-2009 12:47:49] <rmatte> oh
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:03] <rmatte> so it generates 1 event but never increases the count?
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:11] <kobalt> correct
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:18] <rmatte> what version of Zenoss are you running?
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:22] <kobalt> like I have a interface that has 1 crc
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:25] <kobalt> 2.5
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:33] <rmatte> ok, so it has 1 crc error...
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:36] <rmatte> and?
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:39] <kobalt> every 5 minutes it tells me about the 1 crc
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:45] <kobalt> it does not increase
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:49] <kobalt> it still has one
[12-Nov-2009 12:48:50] <rmatte> oh, well it'll obviously do that
[12-Nov-2009 12:49:06] <rmatte> it's because of the type of graph that you're applying the threshold against
[12-Nov-2009 12:49:10] <kobalt> it does not do that with the error
[12-Nov-2009 12:49:10] <rmatte> it maintains a tally
[12-Nov-2009 12:49:22] <kobalt> I have it set to Counter
[12-Nov-2009 12:49:29] <rmatte> so if you set your threshold at 1, the graph will always show 1
[12-Nov-2009 12:49:40] <rmatte> and hence the threshold will always be violated
[12-Nov-2009 12:50:20] <kobalt> so how would I set it to tell me if its incrementing, I dont care what the current value is I want to know if it increments
[12-Nov-2009 12:50:56] <rmatte> kobalt: I can't think of it off the top of my head, and I'm in the middle of coding something... why don't you post on the forums about it and see what happens
[12-Nov-2009 12:51:14] <rmatte> I'll look in to it later if I have time
[12-Nov-2009 12:55:18] <twm1010> okay I think I got this rrd understood
[12-Nov-2009 12:55:32] <twm1010> one line doesn't necessarily roll onto the other
[12-Nov-2009 12:58:33] <rmatte> hmmmm, thought I finally had this daemon zenpack thing worked out, but the daemon isn't starting when I execute the script that I included in the zenpack
[12-Nov-2009 12:58:34] <rmatte> hmmm
[12-Nov-2009 13:00:55] <twm1010> so if I have this straight
[12-Nov-2009 13:01:25] <twm1010> Zenoss by default uses either a gauge, derive, or absolute, and keeps 600
[12-Nov-2009 13:01:37] <twm1010> datapoints (50 hrs @ 300 second polling)
[12-Nov-2009 13:07:06] <jrock2004> Ok one of my servers went down and I got 5 emails about it. WTF
[12-Nov-2009 13:07:22] <twm1010> I use two rules
[12-Nov-2009 13:07:36] <twm1010> one specifically for /Events/Status/Ping
[12-Nov-2009 13:07:43] <twm1010> and one for everything else, with a 3 minute delay
[12-Nov-2009 13:07:50] <twm1010> that way I am sure to get ping down events first
[12-Nov-2009 13:08:20] <twm1010> I would think depending on what point in the polling/status/performance cycles Zenoss is currently at you might get notified that a process, or performance counter is down first
[12-Nov-2009 13:08:25] <twm1010> hence, the delay
[12-Nov-2009 13:09:50] <rmatte> eugh, wish egor was around, I'm almost done modding my ticket create daemon to be packaged as a ZenPack, but I'm stuck. It symlinks the startup script just fine but it doesn't start
[12-Nov-2009 13:10:08] <rmatte> I basically copied his startup script and modded it but it's not working at all
[12-Nov-2009 13:10:45] <jrock2004> So if I would put a filter for /device class or even class
[12-Nov-2009 13:11:07] <twm1010> I did it by device class, but if you need to qualify it better, do so, play with it, you'll get it
[12-Nov-2009 13:11:09] <twm1010> mine is simple:
[12-Nov-2009 13:11:17] <twm1010> device must be in production
[12-Nov-2009 13:11:26] <twm1010> priority at or above a certain level
[12-Nov-2009 13:11:36] <twm1010> and the event class must be /Status/Ping
[12-Nov-2009 13:11:40] <twm1010> and should be a "critical" event
[12-Nov-2009 13:11:56] <twm1010> for my other rule, I said NOT /Status/Ping :)
[12-Nov-2009 13:12:31] <twm1010> Seemed to do the trick for me
[12-Nov-2009 13:12:41] <twm1010> rmatte: What ticketing system? curious
[12-Nov-2009 13:13:20] <rmatte> twm1010: otrs
[12-Nov-2009 13:13:58] <twm1010> hrmmm.... so I understand what RRA:AVERAGE:0.5:1:600 means
[12-Nov-2009 13:14:01] <rmatte> twm1010: but my daemon just calls on a ticket create script, so it could be modded for basically anything
[12-Nov-2009 13:14:24] <twm1010> but what does the second line mean, 0.5:6:600
[12-Nov-2009 13:14:38] * rmatte shrugs
[12-Nov-2009 13:17:16] <twm1010> I take it to mean, every time the datapoint is polled, an average of the last 6 datapoints is stored and kept for 600 cycles
[12-Nov-2009 13:18:18] <twm1010> so by default, for every datapoint, zenoss is keeping 4 RRA averages and two RRA max points
[12-Nov-2009 13:22:09] <zuez> hey so I have an OID for the dellstorage controller which can have 5 states, I want to continue monitoring this OID, but I don't want alerts for one of the particular status marks which keeps going off
[12-Nov-2009 13:22:22] <zuez> threshold 4 is non-critical, keeps coming up
[12-Nov-2009 13:22:32] <zuez> is there anyway I can continue monitoring it, just for not that state?
[12-Nov-2009 13:22:37] <jrock2004> twm1010: so if I set that filter up with the status ping I will get an alert when the IP goes down
[12-Nov-2009 13:23:17] <jrock2004> twm1010: But if apache goes down I will not get an alert.
[12-Nov-2009 13:24:17] <kobalt> rmatte: did you set the script to the right permissions?
[12-Nov-2009 13:26:46] <rmatte> it's not a permissions issue
[12-Nov-2009 13:26:55] <rmatte> it's just somehow not picking up the path to the script or something
[12-Nov-2009 13:27:14] <rmatte> I'm just going to write a new script, the one I'm working on now seems to be working better
[12-Nov-2009 13:30:53] <zuez> forums seem to be having an issue -- never got my activation link, but a reset password email came in
[12-Nov-2009 13:31:00] <zuez> (and yes I've checked my spam folder)
[12-Nov-2009 13:32:04] <gwb2351> if you can use wmic to check against a windows server (and get results) would that imply that you should be able to enter the same user/password for zWinUser/zWinPassword zproperties and get WMI results (instead of NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED errors) during a device model?
[12-Nov-2009 13:32:33] <rmatte> haha, I think I finally got this working
[12-Nov-2009 13:32:53] <kobalt> rmatte: Sweet
[12-Nov-2009 13:32:58] <rmatte> I need to make it a bit more elegant, but it's working
[12-Nov-2009 13:33:29] <rmatte> Daemon: zenwin starting...
[12-Nov-2009 13:33:29] <rmatte> Daemon: zeneventlog starting...
[12-Nov-2009 13:33:29] <rmatte> Daemon: zenperfwmi starting...
[12-Nov-2009 13:33:29] <rmatte> Daemon: zenticket starting...
[12-Nov-2009 13:33:33] <rmatte> muahaha
[12-Nov-2009 13:33:42] <rmatte> it's aliiiiive
[12-Nov-2009 13:33:48] <kobalt> Woot
[12-Nov-2009 13:35:14] <zuez> Anyone here an administrator on the forums?
[12-Nov-2009 13:35:31] <rmatte> I'm using the full path to the pack though, need to find a way to make the path ignore the version number...
[12-Nov-2009 13:36:40] <rmatte> aha, got it
[12-Nov-2009 13:38:07] <kobalt> this threshold is driving me nuts lol, its no different then the in/out put errors threshold I have set
[12-Nov-2009 13:39:50] <kobalt> well I seem to have found the difference.... the value for the error is a COUNTER32 and the CRC errors are INTEGER
[12-Nov-2009 13:40:13] <kobalt> does the Type of data make a difference?
[12-Nov-2009 13:40:21] <twm1010> yes, oh yes it does
[12-Nov-2009 13:40:42] <kobalt> so how do I get this to work lol
[12-Nov-2009 13:42:46] <twm1010> curiously
[12-Nov-2009 13:42:58] <rmatte> hmmm, damn
[12-Nov-2009 13:42:59] <twm1010> is the in/out errors a "total" counter?
[12-Nov-2009 13:43:03] <rmatte> Daemon: zenperfwmi program running; pid=26018
[12-Nov-2009 13:43:04] <rmatte> Daemon: zenticket usage: zenticket start|stop|restart
[12-Nov-2009 13:43:05] <twm1010> total errors, etc?
[12-Nov-2009 13:43:10] <rmatte> need, to figure out how to code that status in
[12-Nov-2009 13:43:25] <kobalt> it is
[12-Nov-2009 13:43:47] <twm1010> what type did you set the datapoint to, derive?
[12-Nov-2009 13:43:51] Bryanstein is now known as zz_Bryanstein
[12-Nov-2009 13:44:10] <kobalt> I have it set to Counter, I have also tried Derive with a min of 0
[12-Nov-2009 13:44:44] <twm1010> if the counter type is a "total" type
[12-Nov-2009 13:44:50] <twm1010> you need to set it to derive
[12-Nov-2009 13:44:55] <twm1010> and then delete the RRD files
[12-Nov-2009 13:44:58] <twm1010> and let it recreate them
[12-Nov-2009 13:45:05] <kobalt> Im not graphing them
[12-Nov-2009 13:45:06] <twm1010> don't set a minimum of zero
[12-Nov-2009 13:45:10] <twm1010> it doesn't matter
[12-Nov-2009 13:45:43] <twm1010> you can't set a minimum of zero, because sometimes the value isn't going to change
[12-Nov-2009 13:46:01] zz_Bryanstein is now known as Bryanstein
[12-Nov-2009 13:46:23] <twm1010> at least, that's how i've understood it
[12-Nov-2009 13:46:37] <kobalt> well lets see if it works
[12-Nov-2009 13:46:54] <rmatte> eugh, now I need to figure out where the daemons are pulling that function from
[12-Nov-2009 13:46:55] <rmatte> zenoss@lab01:/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus$ zenping status
[12-Nov-2009 13:46:55] <rmatte> program running; pid=25721
[12-Nov-2009 13:47:03] <rmatte> it's not actually right in the daemon code
[12-Nov-2009 13:47:33] <rmatte> aha, DaemonStats I think
[12-Nov-2009 13:47:54] <zuez> if I have an OID where I want only threshold alerts when the value is > 4
[12-Nov-2009 13:48:00] <zuez> should I just set the minimum to 4 and leave max empty?
[12-Nov-2009 13:48:05] <rmatte> ah, nope
[12-Nov-2009 13:48:26] <twm1010> minimum of 4 would ignore all values below 4 that are collected, i wouldn't set a minimum
[12-Nov-2009 13:48:48] <zuez> I don't want an alert for anything lower than 4
[12-Nov-2009 13:48:54] <zuez> I just want to get alerted for >= 4
[12-Nov-2009 13:49:03] <jrock2004> twm1010: This is what I was looking for http://tinyurl.com/y9rxby3
[12-Nov-2009 13:49:20] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Zenoss Blog: No Node Left Behind: Tip of the Month: Event Suppression (at tinyurl.com)
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:03] <twm1010> zuez: I suppose you could ignore all values below 4, but really what your trying to do is in the threshold setup, not the datapoint
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:22] <twm1010> jrock2004: I've been meaning to get that setup myself
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:24] <zuez> well
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:25] <zuez> Possible values: 1: Other 2: Unknown 3: OK 4: Non-critical 5: Critical 6: Non-recoverable
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:32] <zuez> I just want to get alerts when the value is 5 or 6
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:45] <twm1010> and I probably will supress the events as well, but as far as controlling e-mail spam, i make sure i only get the ones i really want with the filters
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:45] <zuez> right now the min/max is set to 3
[12-Nov-2009 13:50:51] <zuez> so i'm getting alerts on 4
[12-Nov-2009 13:51:13] <twm1010> set two thresholds then
[12-Nov-2009 13:51:17] <twm1010> one when the value = 5
[12-Nov-2009 13:51:21] <twm1010> and another when it is 6
[12-Nov-2009 13:51:37] <twm1010> but i don't see why you can't do >=5
[12-Nov-2009 13:51:43] <zuez> it can't be covered in one threshold but just setting the minimum to 5?
[12-Nov-2009 13:51:51] <zuez> s/but/by
[12-Nov-2009 13:51:58] <twm1010> zuez: if you set the minimum/maximum of the data point to 3
[12-Nov-2009 13:52:03] <twm1010> the only valid value it will record is a 3
[12-Nov-2009 13:52:23] <twm1010> if you only care about datapoints that equal 4,5,6
[12-Nov-2009 13:52:30] <twm1010> you would set the minimum to 4, maximum to 6
[12-Nov-2009 13:52:46] <zuez> won't that only create an alert for 5?
[12-Nov-2009 13:53:00] <zuez> basically what i'm asking is, are the bounds inclusive or exclusive
[12-Nov-2009 13:53:33] <twm1010> you're confusing the recording of data with the threshold, two separate things
[12-Nov-2009 13:53:41] <zuez> i don't want to record this data
[12-Nov-2009 13:53:48] <zuez> i just want alerts if particular values hit
[12-Nov-2009 13:55:21] <twm1010> you need to record it, in some fashion, to have a threshold on it
[12-Nov-2009 13:55:24] <zuez> there's nothing to graph for this oid, it's just a controller
[12-Nov-2009 13:55:31] <zuez> it's my raid controller
[12-Nov-2009 13:55:40] <zuez> and i want to get an event go off if the controller goes into a critical state
[12-Nov-2009 13:55:42] <twm1010> so for the DATAPOINT set to minimum to 4
[12-Nov-2009 13:55:45] <twm1010> mximum to 6
[12-Nov-2009 13:56:58] <zuez> Data Points is just set to status_status
[12-Nov-2009 14:00:04] <twm1010> start over, you got a datasource and a datapoint
[12-Nov-2009 14:00:18] <twm1010> that datapoint is type GAUGE
[12-Nov-2009 14:00:32] <twm1010> you do not need to define a minimum maximum
[12-Nov-2009 14:00:53] <twm1010> then set a threshold on that datapoint that all values 4+ are critical
[12-Nov-2009 14:01:06] <twm1010> thats it, no more to do
[12-Nov-2009 14:01:12] <zuez> this is what I'm talking about http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57676/screenshots/dellstorage.png
[12-Nov-2009 14:01:44] <zuez> i'm just not entirely sure how to properly set the min/max to make all 4+ create an alert/event
[12-Nov-2009 14:01:56] <twm1010> set a minimum of 4, no maximum
[12-Nov-2009 14:02:18] <zuez> k
[12-Nov-2009 14:02:36] <twm1010> which means, any event, 4 or above, will be considered a critical event
[12-Nov-2009 14:03:10] <rmatte> saweet, hot status coded now too
[12-Nov-2009 14:03:23] <zuez> twm1010: ok, thanks
[12-Nov-2009 14:03:39] <twm1010> sorry, i thought you were manipulating the RRD min/max
[12-Nov-2009 14:03:55] <zuez> nope, just an event threshold i guess
[12-Nov-2009 14:03:59] <twm1010> instead of the min/max threshold
[12-Nov-2009 14:04:05] <zuez> kept getting alerts because 4 was going off
[12-Nov-2009 14:04:09] <zuez> (firmware upgrade needed)
[12-Nov-2009 14:04:13] <zuez> I just want to know if the thing is dead :-P
[12-Nov-2009 14:04:22] <twm1010> well, wouldn't that be 5 and above?
[12-Nov-2009 14:04:30] <zuez> yeah, I set the min to 5
[12-Nov-2009 14:04:31] <twm1010> perhaps you should change that value to 5
[12-Nov-2009 14:04:52] Bryanstein is now known as zz_Bryanstein
[12-Nov-2009 14:05:23] <twm1010> I suppose if you set the min and max both to 3, it would report on damn near all statuses :)
[12-Nov-2009 14:05:43] <twm1010> except 3
[12-Nov-2009 14:08:10] <zuez> so it's inclusive then
[12-Nov-2009 14:08:21] zz_Bryanstein is now known as Bryanstein
[12-Nov-2009 14:08:27] <zuez> if you set minimum it creates an alert including the minimum threshold and including the maximum
[12-Nov-2009 14:08:38] <twm1010> I believe so
[12-Nov-2009 14:08:46] <twm1010> it creates an "event", to be specific
[12-Nov-2009 14:09:18] <zuez> This is the most annoying thing SshUserAuth: no password found -- has zCommandPassword been set
[12-Nov-2009 14:09:27] <zuez> verified like 50 times that zCommandPassword is not set
[12-Nov-2009 14:09:55] <rmatte> booyeh all done, one working daemon zenpack
[12-Nov-2009 14:10:00] <rmatte> was easier than I thought
[12-Nov-2009 14:10:31] <zuez> zCommandLoginTries is set to 1
[12-Nov-2009 14:10:37] <zuez> I wonder if that's causing it
[12-Nov-2009 14:10:57] <twm1010> Did you just say you verified that it has NOT been set?
[12-Nov-2009 14:11:04] <twm1010> Are you trying to do SSH based monitoring of a device?
[12-Nov-2009 14:11:11] <zuez> No
[12-Nov-2009 14:11:14] <zuez> Just SNMP, no ssh
[12-Nov-2009 14:11:19] <zuez> I don't want it attempting to login via ssh
[12-Nov-2009 14:11:37] <twm1010> go to the zProperties of the device class
[12-Nov-2009 14:11:39] <zuez> it still keeps trying though
[12-Nov-2009 14:11:44] <zuez> yeah i'm there
[12-Nov-2009 14:12:44] <cryptographrix> hmmm
[12-Nov-2009 14:12:44] <twm1010> rmatte: where do you turn off SSH based monitoring?
[12-Nov-2009 14:12:48] <twm1010> i don't see the zproperty for it
[12-Nov-2009 14:12:57] <zuez> good question :D
[12-Nov-2009 14:13:16] <twm1010> what device class is it you're trying to edit?
[12-Nov-2009 14:13:45] <cryptographrix> snmpd on monitored systems are logging 120-230+ connections once every 3 mins by zenoss...is there any way to lower this?
[12-Nov-2009 14:13:48] <zuez> Device/Server/Linux
[12-Nov-2009 14:14:29] <twm1010> cryptographrix: i supposed you could increase the max OID's per request ?
[12-Nov-2009 14:14:43] <cryptographrix> how could I do that?
[12-Nov-2009 14:15:41] <twm1010> there is a zproperty for it
[12-Nov-2009 14:15:52] <cryptographrix> hmm
[12-Nov-2009 14:16:34] <twm1010> zuez: i wonder if you set a zCommandUsername?
[12-Nov-2009 14:16:55] <zuez> tmw1010: only for mysql, not for ssh
[12-Nov-2009 14:18:52] <twm1010> the only differences between my /Devices/Server/Linux class and my /Devices/Server/SSH/Linux zProperties is the existence of a zCommandUsername property being set
[12-Nov-2009 14:19:48] <RoundQube> Zenoss is graphing my memory usage and showing 95% used but my Webmin shows that only 8% of memory is being used. Why the discrepancy?
[12-Nov-2009 14:20:00] <twm1010> RoundQube: What kind of server?
[12-Nov-2009 14:20:10] <RoundQube> linux asterisk server
[12-Nov-2009 14:20:28] <RoundQube> free -m <-- show 500MB free and 1.5G in use but webmin shows the server to be fine
[12-Nov-2009 14:20:41] <twm1010> perhaps webmin and zenoss are polling two different values
[12-Nov-2009 14:21:14] <RoundQube> i should trust free -m though right?
[12-Nov-2009 14:21:29] <RoundQube> Mem: 2027 1484 542 (total, used, free)
[12-Nov-2009 14:21:37] <majikman> i tried to create a COMMAND data source with the following command: Cmd: { time /usr/bin/mysql -hsomehost.com -usomeuser -psomepassword -e"show status" >/dev/null; } 2>&1 | /usr/bin/awk '{if ($1 == "real") printf("%s\n", $2)}' | /bin/sed 's/\(0m\|s\|\.\)//g' - Code: 2 - Msg: Misuse of shell builtins
[12-Nov-2009 14:21:44] <majikman> any idea why i'm getting that Misuse of shell builtins?
[12-Nov-2009 14:21:53] <twm1010> let me look at my zenoss server's graphs
[12-Nov-2009 14:22:32] <wildcard0> majikman: maybe specify /usr/bin/time ?
[12-Nov-2009 14:22:46] <rmatte> twm1010: there is no zProperty for turning off SSH monitoring, if the zCommandUserName and zCommandPassword fields are blank it shouldn't do it
[12-Nov-2009 14:22:47] <majikman> /usr/bin/time != time
[12-Nov-2009 14:22:58] <majikman> i want to use the bash shell version of time
[12-Nov-2009 14:23:04] <rmatte> twm1010: read the SSH section of the Admin Guide, maybe I'm missing something
[12-Nov-2009 14:23:06] <wildcard0> ya sorry, i thought you wanted /usr/bin/time
[12-Nov-2009 14:23:18] <majikman> np. thanks anyways
[12-Nov-2009 14:23:35] <twm1010> rmatte: that's what i thought :D
[12-Nov-2009 14:23:44] <cryptographrix> hmmm
[12-Nov-2009 14:24:03] <cryptographrix> I still have 215 "Connection from UDP" lines once every 3 mins....:(
[12-Nov-2009 14:24:18] <twm1010> cryptographrix: why is that bad?
[12-Nov-2009 14:24:50] <rmatte> but once again, why do you even have devices in the SSH class if you're not doing SSH monitoring on them?
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:12] <twm1010> he doesn't, but he did set zCommandUsername
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:25] <twm1010> apparently for mySQL monitoring
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:26] <twm1010> ?
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:30] <rmatte> then that's the problem
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:43] <rmatte> the MySQL ZenPack probably does monitoring via SSH
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:46] <cryptographrix> /var/log/messages* = 35-60M each :/
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:52] <rmatte> (I've never used it, but I assume)
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:55] <RoundQube> twm1010 were you looking at the memory question I had or you went to look at graphs for yourself?
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:56] <twm1010> RoundQube: mine is right on here
[12-Nov-2009 14:25:59] <rmatte> so he needs to setup the username and the password properly
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:05] <majikman> nah... mysql zenpack does monitoring via a mysql user
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:10] <RoundQube> twm1010 hmm why is mine wrong?
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:10] <rmatte> and they need to have access to issue whatever commands the MySQL ZenPack is trying to do
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:19] <twm1010> free -m, shows 139M free out of 3991 total
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:28] <majikman> you have to create a mysql user that gives the zenoss permissions to access the database
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:30] <twm1010> zenoss graph shows 95% utilization
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:32] <cryptographrix> and there's 6 of them, most with the same "Connection from UDP: [IP]:port" lines
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:35] <majikman> and the user needs at least SHOW privilegse
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:37] <RoundQube> twm1010 right meaning free -m shows the same values that zenoss is graphing?
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:43] <majikman> which i believe is SELECT privileges
[12-Nov-2009 14:26:53] <RoundQube> twm1010 95% utilization? but you are not using 95% of your memory
[12-Nov-2009 14:27:09] <chudler> in mysql at least, SHOW comes with just having a user account. IIRC. Its been a while.
[12-Nov-2009 14:27:19] <kobalt> twm1010: Sweet that worked thanks
[12-Nov-2009 14:27:30] <twm1010> kobalt: no problem
[12-Nov-2009 14:27:46] <twm1010> RoundQube: Linux does handle memory quite differently than windows
[12-Nov-2009 14:28:04] <twm1010> it will typically use it "all" and then dish it out from there
[12-Nov-2009 14:28:16] <twm1010> so the value webmin is giving you, is probably... cached memory, or some other value
[12-Nov-2009 14:28:22] <RoundQube> twm1010 so im confused as to how to read these graphs. if it shows used memory at 98%, i should be worried (zenoss reporting this)
[12-Nov-2009 14:29:24] <twm1010> I'm no Linux guru, perhaps someone can speak up as to how to read the graph
[12-Nov-2009 14:29:33] <RoundQube> my other identical linux asterisk servers are showing usage in the 30's - 40's which is correct
[12-Nov-2009 14:30:13] <twm1010> and my other linux servers doesn't show such high utilization, yet are the same version of redhate
[12-Nov-2009 14:30:15] <twm1010> redhat
[12-Nov-2009 14:30:16] <RoundQube> and running free -m matches up zenoss graphs
[12-Nov-2009 14:30:39] <twm1010> i would think the services/apps running have a dramatic affect on how much memory is allocated
[12-Nov-2009 14:31:18] <twm1010> another one of my redhat boxes is running 98% utilization
[12-Nov-2009 14:31:58] <twm1010> i think a few minutes of googling will reveal the answer
[12-Nov-2009 14:43:23] <rmatte> hmmmm, "zenoss status" works, but it doesn't show the correct status in the UI
[12-Nov-2009 14:43:29] <rmatte> guess I'll have to figure that one out
[12-Nov-2009 14:55:36] <rmatte> cgibbons: you alive?
[12-Nov-2009 14:57:48] <patzer> how can I delete a device that is stuck?
[12-Nov-2009 14:58:02] <patzer> eg. its deviceClass() is null, so I can't use the gui
[12-Nov-2009 15:03:58] <rmatte> hmmm, ok, so it gets the states via zport.About.getZenossDaemonStates()
[12-Nov-2009 15:04:06] <rmatte> now how the heck do I set the states, hmmm
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[12-Nov-2009 15:09:02] <cgibbons> kinda whatup?
[12-Nov-2009 15:10:01] <rmatte> hey
[12-Nov-2009 15:10:22] <rmatte> ok, so, I've written a daemon and packaged it in to a ZenPack... everything works except for the status and PID in the UI
[12-Nov-2009 15:10:37] <rmatte> so far I've figured out that it pulls the status from zport.About.getZenossDaemonStates()
[12-Nov-2009 15:10:46] <rmatte> any idea where that stuff gets set though?
[12-Nov-2009 15:11:30] <rmatte> I need to manipulate it when my script starts and stops (I used my own daemon stuff instead of using the Zenoss stuff, since I wanted it to be more stand-alone)
[12-Nov-2009 15:11:57] <rmatte> it takes the same commands and outputs the same: Daemon: zenticket program running; pid=30581
[12-Nov-2009 15:12:08] <rmatte> but the last thing I need to do is the UI status
[12-Nov-2009 15:12:31] <jrock2004> Does that not depend on if you are using SSH or SNMP?
[12-Nov-2009 15:13:07] <rmatte> just wondering if you know how I can set that stuff myself in my script
[12-Nov-2009 15:18:39] <jrock2004> Could the field be sysUpTime
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[12-Nov-2009 15:30:56] <rmatte> aha, finally tracked down the code for getZenossDaemonStates...
[12-Nov-2009 15:34:29] <rmatte> oh I see, I'm just stashing the pid file in the wrong place...
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[12-Nov-2009 15:42:48] <jrock2004> Why cant I bind the filesystem to /Devices/Server/Linux?
[12-Nov-2009 15:42:57] <twm1010> you don't bind a filesystem template
[12-Nov-2009 15:43:14] <twm1010> you just place a copy of it at the class level, and the nodes auto-bind the nearest one
[12-Nov-2009 15:43:44] <twm1010> similar to interface templates
[12-Nov-2009 15:45:24] <jrock2004> Cool
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[12-Nov-2009 15:49:12] <rmatte> there we go, that fixed it
[12-Nov-2009 15:51:05] <jrock2004> Is this: getTotalBlocks() defined by snmp?
[12-Nov-2009 15:51:25] <rmatte> it's defined by a collector plugin
[12-Nov-2009 15:51:30] <rmatte> via snmp
[12-Nov-2009 15:57:56] <jrock2004> If I created a threshold for mem_mem would it be here.getTotalBlocks() *.95
[12-Nov-2009 15:58:53] <jrock2004> or is there more to that one
[12-Nov-2009 15:59:02] <jrock2004> if so Iwill reseach it
[12-Nov-2009 16:00:20] <jrock2004> or could I do here.mem_mem * .95
[12-Nov-2009 16:00:48] <sciolist> correct me if I'm wrong, here: when upgading a master+collectors, only the master needs to have the rpm packages updated, the collectors then 'suck over' the necessary bits from the master using the "Update collector" action, correct?
[12-Nov-2009 16:11:40] <rmatte> sciolist: nah, it all needs updating
[12-Nov-2009 16:11:55] <rmatte> as far as I'm aware
[12-Nov-2009 16:11:58] <rmatte> I could be wrong though
[12-Nov-2009 16:12:44] <sciolist> I'm not seeing that in the docs... and there aren't any rpms installed on the collectors at all
[12-Nov-2009 16:13:00] <sciolist> it just seemed strange
[12-Nov-2009 16:19:33] <jrock2004> rmatte: If I want to get far with Zenoss should I learn python
[12-Nov-2009 16:29:35] <RoundQube> jrock2004 if you want to get far in life, you should learn python
[12-Nov-2009 16:31:46] <kgoedtel> I bet people said that about COBOL
[12-Nov-2009 16:33:34] <rmatte> jrock2004: definitely
[12-Nov-2009 16:33:45] <rmatte> jrock2004: all of the event transforms need to be written in python
[12-Nov-2009 16:34:13] <rmatte> jrock2004: all of the zendmd commands are python
[12-Nov-2009 16:34:39] <rmatte> jrock2004: I didn't know any python before I started using Zenoss and I'm glad that I learned it. It makes managing Zenoss a heck of a lot easier
[12-Nov-2009 16:35:08] <rmatte> woot, my ticket create ZenPack is 100% done
[12-Nov-2009 16:35:15] <rmatte> (finally)
[12-Nov-2009 16:35:40] <jrock2004> I am amased on how python looks so similar to PHP
[12-Nov-2009 16:35:57] <rmatte> yeh, I've heard that before, though I don't really know any PHP
[12-Nov-2009 16:36:11] <jrock2004> You know the basics
[12-Nov-2009 16:36:30] <jrock2004> print "Hello World" compared to echo "Hello World";
[12-Nov-2009 16:37:23] <rmatte> This is officially the best piece of python that I've written yet: http://pastebin.com/f256b82d3
[12-Nov-2009 16:37:33] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[12-Nov-2009 16:38:05] <rmatte> I learned a ton from writing it
[12-Nov-2009 16:38:38] <rmatte> yeh, well, I know a lot of bash scripting, so "echo" is not foreign to me lol
[12-Nov-2009 16:38:56] <rmatte> between bash and python I can pretty much make anything at this point
[12-Nov-2009 16:40:07] <jrock2004> rmatte: Great work
[12-Nov-2009 16:40:16] <wildcard0> rmatte: make me a sandwich :)
[12-Nov-2009 16:40:31] <rmatte> haha
[12-Nov-2009 16:40:40] <rmatte> jrock2004: thanks
[12-Nov-2009 16:42:54] <rmatte> according to my friend who just saw my code he says it looks a lot more like javascript than php
[12-Nov-2009 16:43:08] <rmatte> mainly because of all the re.match apparently
[12-Nov-2009 16:43:40] <jrock2004> well the class stuff looks more live Java
[12-Nov-2009 16:44:11] <rmatte> yeh, it's got a bit of everything in it
[12-Nov-2009 16:44:20] <rmatte> I love the way python does some stuff
[12-Nov-2009 16:44:30] <rmatte> like how easy it is to convert variable types using str() and int()
[12-Nov-2009 16:44:57] <rmatte> and I like how it uses indentation to determine contents of loops and stuff
[12-Nov-2009 16:45:09] <rmatte> a language that actually forces people to properly indent their code, genius
[12-Nov-2009 16:45:37] <rmatte> I've seen scripts that people have written with literally no indentation, drives me bonkers because it's impossible to read
[12-Nov-2009 16:45:55] <jrock2004> I love to indent my code
[12-Nov-2009 16:46:19] <rmatte> yeh, you pretty much have to if you want to write anything half useful
[12-Nov-2009 16:46:27] <rmatte> otherwise it's impossible to keep track while writing it
[12-Nov-2009 16:46:53] <rmatte> the one things about python is be prepared to use the spacebar lol
[12-Nov-2009 16:47:03] <rmatte> since the indentation is done in spaces
[12-Nov-2009 16:47:05] <rmatte> 4 per indent
[12-Nov-2009 16:47:32] <rmatte> tabs do work in some cases but spaces are best practice
[12-Nov-2009 16:47:48] <jrock2004> dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventDetailFromStatusOrHistory(e.evid)
[12-Nov-2009 16:47:59] <jrock2004> Did you get mosr of that from the developers guide
[12-Nov-2009 16:48:10] <rmatte> nope, picked it out of other code
[12-Nov-2009 16:48:11] <jrock2004> or is that all python stuff
[12-Nov-2009 16:48:24] <rmatte> that's a Zenoss specific function
[12-Nov-2009 16:49:19] <rmatte> you basically do evt = dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventDetailFromStatusOrHistory(evid) where evid is the event id of the event
[12-Nov-2009 16:49:30] <rmatte> and then from there you can use the usual evt.whatever that you'd use in a transform
[12-Nov-2009 16:50:17] <rmatte> the other script that took me a while to code is this: http://pastebin.com/f750073d8
[12-Nov-2009 16:50:27] <rmatte> duplicates the functionality of the availability report
[12-Nov-2009 16:50:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[12-Nov-2009 16:50:32] <rmatte> but as a stand-alone script
[12-Nov-2009 16:51:15] <jrock2004> Well time to go home
[12-Nov-2009 16:51:19] <jrock2004> see ya tomorrow
[12-Nov-2009 16:51:21] <rmatte> same here
[12-Nov-2009 16:51:23] <rmatte> cya guys
[12-Nov-2009 16:51:36] <jrock2004> or on ps3 :)
[12-Nov-2009 16:53:59] <rmatte> hmmm, actually, looks like I might have broken the script, wtf
[12-Nov-2009 16:54:08] <rmatte> eugh, guess I'm stuck here for a while longer
[12-Nov-2009 16:54:16] <Rocinante> Can anyone tell me why this does everything *except* changing the production state of the device? http://pastebin.ca/1668993
[12-Nov-2009 16:54:23] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Untitled - post number 1668993 (at pastebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 16:55:13] <Rocinante> That's in the event transform for an event, and everything except the dev.setProdState(300) works fine
[12-Nov-2009 16:56:48] <rmatte> Rocinante: just do dev.productionState = 300
[12-Nov-2009 16:56:59] <rmatte> you don't need to actually use a function to set that value
[12-Nov-2009 16:57:11] <rmatte> you're overcomplicating things :)
[12-Nov-2009 16:57:41] <Rocinante> That's what I thought, but somewhere on the forums I found someone else saying to use the setter :P
[12-Nov-2009 16:57:56] <rmatte> nah, try it the way I just said and I'm pretty sure it'll work
[12-Nov-2009 17:00:03] <Rocinante> Damn.. nope, that isn't working either.
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[12-Nov-2009 17:02:53] <rmatte> ah, I didn't break the script, I just moved the script that it was calling on (stupid me)
[12-Nov-2009 17:03:10] <rmatte> hmmm, not working eh?
[12-Nov-2009 17:03:16] <rmatte> let me see if I can find something
[12-Nov-2009 17:04:01] <rmatte> oh, wait a minute
[12-Nov-2009 17:04:08] <rmatte> where are you setting dev from?
[12-Nov-2009 17:04:46] <rmatte> dev needs to actually be defined
[12-Nov-2009 17:04:59] <rmatte> one sec, let me add some stuff to your script...
[12-Nov-2009 17:05:50] <Rocinante> I thought 'dev' (or 'device') was defined if there's a device associated with an event
[12-Nov-2009 17:05:57] <rmatte> no
[12-Nov-2009 17:06:06] <rmatte> only evt is automatically defined
[12-Nov-2009 17:06:12] <rmatte> (this is a transform right?)
[12-Nov-2009 17:06:15] <Rocinante> Right
[12-Nov-2009 17:06:59] <rmatte> http://pastebin.ca/1669009
[12-Nov-2009 17:07:03] <rmatte> that's how you set it
[12-Nov-2009 17:07:06] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Untitled - post number 1669009 (at pastebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 17:07:48] <rmatte> but do dev.productionState = 300
[12-Nov-2009 17:07:52] <rmatte> instead of what's there now
[12-Nov-2009 17:08:52] <rmatte> http://pastebin.ca/1669012
[12-Nov-2009 17:08:54] <rmatte> like that
[12-Nov-2009 17:08:59] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Untitled - post number 1669012 (at pastebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 17:10:40] <Rocinante> http://pastebin.ca/1669015 <-- didn't like it very much
[12-Nov-2009 17:10:47] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Miscellany - post number 1669015 (at pastebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 17:12:27] <rmatte> hmmmm
[12-Nov-2009 17:12:38] <rmatte> where did you see that error?
[12-Nov-2009 17:14:01] <rmatte> ok, well try: http://pastebin.ca/1669015
[12-Nov-2009 17:14:10] <rmatte> maybe dev.setProdState will work better
[12-Nov-2009 17:14:11] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Miscellany - post number 1669015 (at pastebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 17:14:45] <rmatte> I took the top part of code from a functioning transform that I wrote one time
[12-Nov-2009 17:14:50] <rmatte> so I'd be surprised if that's the issue
[12-Nov-2009 17:15:09] <rmatte> unless they've really changed some stuff in Zenoss 2.5
[12-Nov-2009 17:15:19] <rmatte> (I assume you're using 2.5?)
[12-Nov-2009 17:15:48] <Rocinante> Yes, just upgraded last night
[12-Nov-2009 17:16:11] <Rocinante> And I still had dev.SetProdState before I saw you mention to change that back to productionState = 300
[12-Nov-2009 17:16:16] <Rocinante> So neither works :<
[12-Nov-2009 17:16:22] <rmatte> here's the one that I wrote: http://pastebin.ca/1669025
[12-Nov-2009 17:16:25] <rmatte> and it worked perfectly fine
[12-Nov-2009 17:16:28] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Something - post number 1669025 (at pastebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 17:19:27] <rmatte> that traceback is not very helpful lol
[12-Nov-2009 17:19:41] <rmatte> it seems to be complaing about this line: from Products.ZenUtils.ZenScriptBase import ZenScriptBase
[12-Nov-2009 17:19:51] <Rocinante> That was from zenhub.log BTW
[12-Nov-2009 17:19:57] <rmatte> ah
[12-Nov-2009 17:20:56] <rmatte> not sure, what time is it where you are right now?
[12-Nov-2009 17:20:56] <Rocinante> I just changed it to this and the evt.summary changed to 'foo', so the test worked.. but the set still failed: http://pastebin.ca/1669029
[12-Nov-2009 17:21:01] <Rocinante> 18:20
[12-Nov-2009 17:21:03] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Miscellany - post number 1669029 (at pastebin.ca)
[12-Nov-2009 17:21:23] <rmatte> ok, you should probably come back tomorrow around noon, that's when it's most active
[12-Nov-2009 17:21:35] <rmatte> I'm basically on my way out the door
[12-Nov-2009 17:21:39] <rmatte> you live in Canada?
[12-Nov-2009 17:21:55] <Rocinante> Eastern Pennsylvania
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:06] <rmatte> ah, was wondering why you were using pastebin.ca lol
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:12] <rmatte> since it's a canadian site
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:15] <rmatte> (just curious)
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:16] <rmatte> :)
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:17] <Rocinante> Shorter to type :>
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:20] <rmatte> haha
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:22] <rmatte> nice
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:41] <Rocinante> Alright, I'll idle then and ask again tomorrow. Thanks for the help!
[12-Nov-2009 17:22:49] <rmatte> np
[12-Nov-2009 17:23:31] <rmatte> ah, interesting that the import lines are no longer required
[12-Nov-2009 17:24:44] <rmatte> try box.setProdState() ?
[12-Nov-2009 17:24:58] <rmatte> box.setProdState(300)
[12-Nov-2009 17:25:01] <rmatte> maybe that'll work
[12-Nov-2009 17:25:14] <rmatte> because it seemed to be complaing about the import, but I guess they import by default now
[12-Nov-2009 17:26:27] <Rocinante> Nope, still didn't get it.
[12-Nov-2009 17:27:28] <rmatte> ah, oh well
[12-Nov-2009 17:27:29] <Rocinante> Oh well.. dinner time anyway :>
[12-Nov-2009 17:27:33] <rmatte> hehe
[12-Nov-2009 17:27:34] <rmatte> later
[12-Nov-2009 18:31:06] <kisielk> hm, how can I delete a bad item in the Process hierarchy?
[12-Nov-2009 18:34:56] <kisielk> message/41976#41976
[12-Nov-2009 18:34:58] <kisielk> there's a more detailed description
[12-Nov-2009 18:35:00] <kisielk> help is appreciated
[12-Nov-2009 18:35:03] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Bad items in Processes hierarchy (at community.zenoss.org)
[12-Nov-2009 18:54:14] <jimbo22> anyone familiar with setting up a customer ip service to be monitored? I'd like to begin monitoring my memcache servers but whenever I try to create an ip service it creates it on the default port of 0
[12-Nov-2009 20:39:40] <zuez> I'm surprised there hasn't been an iPhone client built yet for zenoss
[12-Nov-2009 21:56:34] <zuez> how does zEventClearClasses work? not much documentation on it
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[13-Nov-2009 06:30:32] <Apocalipse> hi people...
[13-Nov-2009 06:31:01] <Apocalipse> i am trying to setting up an email account... i am getting this error
[13-Nov-2009 06:31:04] <Apocalipse> Type: TypeError
[13-Nov-2009 06:31:04] <Apocalipse> Value: ('Could not adapt', <DataRoot at /zport/dmd>, <InterfaceClass Products.ZenWidgets.interfaces.IMessageSender>)
[13-Nov-2009 07:18:39] <skipzoid> knock knock - anyone here ?
[13-Nov-2009 09:27:10] <rmatte> good morning all
[13-Nov-2009 09:31:13] <jrock2004> Good morning
[13-Nov-2009 09:31:59] <rmatte> hey
[13-Nov-2009 09:35:55] <rmatte> man, they really need to just make a button in Zenoss for restoring ZenPacks to development mode
[13-Nov-2009 09:36:00] <rmatte> it would be so easy to code
[13-Nov-2009 09:44:09] <chudler> since it is so easy why dont you do it and submit a patch?
[13-Nov-2009 10:14:18] * jrock2004 is wondering if there is a zenpack for cisco call managers
[13-Nov-2009 10:28:39] <rmatte> not that I'm aware of
[13-Nov-2009 10:28:50] <rmatte> there might be an enterprise one, but definitely not for core
[13-Nov-2009 10:29:20] <jrock2004> cool
[13-Nov-2009 10:29:59] <chudler> I dont know of one in enterprise either. It is something that I could put to use though
[13-Nov-2009 10:38:36] <jrock2004> Is there a way that you could have zenoss monitor a particular folder and if it is not mounted generate an error?
[13-Nov-2009 10:40:29] <jrock2004> Forget I asked that
[13-Nov-2009 10:43:12] <rmatte> that's pretty easy to do lol
[13-Nov-2009 11:08:53] <rmatte> eugh, why can't anything ever just be easy with coding? I'm tried implementing logging in to my script using the logging library but that didn't work at all, so now I'm trying to do it via open and write
[13-Nov-2009 11:09:12] <rmatte> but it's not working even though it should be according to tests that I've run
[13-Nov-2009 11:19:50] <rmatte> aha, finally got it working
[13-Nov-2009 11:46:51] <jrock2004> Ok I am getting this debug events about bad oid. I checked my templates and all that I have binded is the type device one and rmatte your snmp template. I know the issues is not template related
[13-Nov-2009 11:47:07] <jrock2004> But I cannot find how to fix this issue
[13-Nov-2009 11:47:44] <rmatte> bad OID for what?
[13-Nov-2009 11:47:47] <rmatte> for starters
[13-Nov-2009 11:47:53] <jrock2004> The event class that these errors belong too is /Perf/Snmp
[13-Nov-2009 11:48:01] <rmatte> that's fine
[13-Nov-2009 11:48:05] <rmatte> for what snmp values?
[13-Nov-2009 11:48:13] <jrock2004> Error reading value for "cpuPercentProcessorTime"
[13-Nov-2009 11:48:31] <rmatte> that's because you still have the old windows informant template bound to that device
[13-Nov-2009 11:48:32] <jrock2004> memoryAvaliableKBytes
[13-Nov-2009 11:48:51] <rmatte> those are values from the windows informant template
[13-Nov-2009 11:49:06] <rmatte> erm, snmp-informant
[13-Nov-2009 11:49:07] <rmatte> rather
[13-Nov-2009 11:50:02] <jrock2004> http://imagebin.ca/view/oFh0-u.html
[13-Nov-2009 11:50:12] <adytum-bot> Title: Screen shot 2009-11-13 at 12.49.23 PM.png (at imagebin.ca)
[13-Nov-2009 11:51:18] <jrock2004> If I am not crazy I think the SNMPDevice template is the one from your addon. I dont think that is snmp-informant
[13-Nov-2009 11:51:36] <rmatte> that's right, it is
[13-Nov-2009 11:51:47] <rmatte> and the "Device" one is the snmp-informant template
[13-Nov-2009 11:52:02] <jrock2004> oh dam
[13-Nov-2009 11:52:10] <rmatte> read the description of it lol
[13-Nov-2009 11:52:31] <jrock2004> there I g oagain
[13-Nov-2009 11:58:15] <RoundQube> is there a quick change to have Zenoss graph actually used memory rather than allocated? Or is this a lengthy process if even possible?
[13-Nov-2009 12:02:05] <jrock2004> Its not too hard
[13-Nov-2009 12:02:52] <jrock2004> Do you want a seperate graph for this or add it to an exisintg one
[13-Nov-2009 12:03:25] <RoundQube> jrock2004 seperate graph would be ideal then i can compare utilization vs actual used
[13-Nov-2009 12:04:10] <jrock2004> ok so go into the template of the class you want like mine is in /Server/Linux
[13-Nov-2009 12:04:37] <RoundQube> ok
[13-Nov-2009 12:04:48] <jrock2004> Add a new graph to that template
[13-Nov-2009 12:05:11] <RoundQube> add a template or click on a specific template first?
[13-Nov-2009 12:05:22] <jrock2004> click on the specific template
[13-Nov-2009 12:05:43] <RoundQube> ok i need to find the name first, one sec plz
[13-Nov-2009 12:06:27] <jrock2004> Did you want the avail memory or the used one
[13-Nov-2009 12:06:41] <RoundQube> used
[13-Nov-2009 12:07:14] <jrock2004> I believed you would want to use the graph point for memBuffer and memCached
[13-Nov-2009 12:08:04] <jrock2004> I am checking that now to be sure
[13-Nov-2009 12:08:39] <RoundQube> i am going into the Net-SNMP template for Linux devices (/Devices/Server/Linux) then template tab and clicking "Device"
[13-Nov-2009 12:09:00] <RoundQube> i select "Add Graph"?
[13-Nov-2009 12:09:09] <jrock2004> Then name the graph
[13-Nov-2009 12:09:47] <RoundQube> done
[13-Nov-2009 12:09:56] <jrock2004> Then you need to add the graph points to them
[13-Nov-2009 12:10:13] <RoundQube> so i add memBuffer and memCached?
[13-Nov-2009 12:10:38] <jrock2004> Yes
[13-Nov-2009 12:11:02] <jrock2004> I wanted to double check to make sure those mean for avaliable
[13-Nov-2009 12:11:05] <jrock2004> I could be mistaken
[13-Nov-2009 12:11:12] <RoundQube> those are already datapoints for my Memory Utilization graphs so its the same thing
[13-Nov-2009 12:11:39] <jrock2004> Yeah I was mistaken
[13-Nov-2009 12:12:43] <jrock2004> I am working on make a data source now
[13-Nov-2009 12:12:58] <RoundQube> thanks
[13-Nov-2009 12:16:26] <zuez> the zenping model is intriguing, using routes to optimize echo requests
[13-Nov-2009 12:16:47] <zuez> i'm still not sure how it's doing that if there isn't an agent distributed on different routers
[13-Nov-2009 12:23:37] <zuez> hey just curious, I'm running 2.5, and reading the 2.5 administration, and here it's saying in order to toggle the ping cycle time, I have to go to 'Monitors' from the left navigation menu
[13-Nov-2009 12:23:45] <zuez> and I don't have a 'Monitors' option on my left navigation menu
[13-Nov-2009 12:26:01] <rmatte> zuez: it probably means "Collectors"
[13-Nov-2009 12:26:17] <zuez> there we go, thanks rmatte
[13-Nov-2009 12:26:24] <rmatte> zuez: like I said, the 2.5 admin guide is still flawed
[13-Nov-2009 12:26:25] <rmatte> lol
[13-Nov-2009 12:26:33] <zuez> yeah I noticed, np
[13-Nov-2009 12:26:39] <zuez> just doing my part in reading them
[13-Nov-2009 12:28:00] <rmatte> cool
[13-Nov-2009 12:29:24] <jrock2004> RoundQube: Ok so in snmp land there is an UCD-SNMP-MIB::memAvailReal.0 = INTEGER: 5661940 kB
[13-Nov-2009 12:29:49] <jrock2004> I just need to figure it out its oid
[13-Nov-2009 12:29:57] <RoundQube> jrock2004 oh nice
[13-Nov-2009 12:30:07] <jrock2004> once that is done you can add that as a datasource then you can add it to your graph
[13-Nov-2009 12:30:14] <RoundQube> GetIf is a MIB browser
[13-Nov-2009 12:30:44] <RoundQube> but I see a data point called memAvailReal in my graph, its still showing 95% usage so that doesn't appear to "real" to me :)
[13-Nov-2009 12:30:58] <RoundQube> let me find the OID and we'll see if it matches what you find
[13-Nov-2009 12:31:27] <RoundQube> 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.4.6.0
[13-Nov-2009 12:32:24] <jrock2004> UCD-SNMP-MIB::memTotalFree.0 = INTEGER: 49644728 kB
[13-Nov-2009 12:32:36] <jrock2004> sorry highlighted wrong line :)
[13-Nov-2009 12:32:45] <RoundQube> ahh cool, need that one
[13-Nov-2009 12:33:02] <jrock2004> Need to find the oid for that one
[13-Nov-2009 12:33:24] <RoundQube> .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.4.11
[13-Nov-2009 12:35:46] <jrock2004> ok so in the device template add a data source
[13-Nov-2009 12:36:12] <jrock2004> select snmp and put in the oid 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.4.11
[13-Nov-2009 12:37:30] <jrock2004> Then go into your graph that you created earlier and add that datasource.
[13-Nov-2009 12:37:45] <jrock2004> RoundQube: how did you find that oid?
[13-Nov-2009 12:38:08] <RoundQube> jrock2004 googled
[13-Nov-2009 12:38:15] <jrock2004> lol
[13-Nov-2009 12:38:32] <RoundQube> just searched for that MIB and then entered OID into the search string
[13-Nov-2009 12:38:38] <RoundQube> http://net-snmp.sourceforge.net/docs/mibs/ucdavis.html#memTotalFree
[13-Nov-2009 12:38:57] <adytum-bot> Title: Net-SNMP (at net-snmp.sourceforge.net)
[13-Nov-2009 12:39:22] <jrock2004> Thanks
[13-Nov-2009 12:43:47] <cgibbons> speaking of snmp, ifAdminStatus versus ifOperStatus... from a user perspective, what's supposed to be the difference?
[13-Nov-2009 12:50:21] <jrock2004> RoundQube: Did that help at all?
[13-Nov-2009 12:51:03] <RoundQube> jrock2004 yup, forgot to thank you... how rude of me. Thank you. I'm well on my way to figuring this out.
[13-Nov-2009 12:51:41] <jrock2004> RoundQube: I let you in on a secret I had to forge my way thru some of that myselk. lol
[13-Nov-2009 12:52:14] <RoundQube> hehe, best way to learn i guess!
[13-Nov-2009 12:52:26] <rmatte> cgibbons: ifAdminStatus is whether or not you have configured the port to be down. ifOperStatus is whether or not the port's status is down
[13-Nov-2009 12:52:47] <rmatte> cgibbons: it basically allows you to have a sense at a glimpse, whether or not the port is down deliberately
[13-Nov-2009 12:52:56] <cgibbons> okie dokie, makes sense. hrm
[13-Nov-2009 12:57:19] * ErikRose is frustrated that every link to zenoss documentation, like http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/zenoss-guide/2.1.1/ch22s01.html, is now being redirected to the front page of the forums.
[13-Nov-2009 12:57:42] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: Forums (at www.zenoss.com)
[13-Nov-2009 12:58:12] <RoundQube> community/documentation/official_documentation/zenoss-guide/2.5.0
[13-Nov-2009 12:58:19] <RoundQube> you're on the wrong page, go to that one ^
[13-Nov-2009 12:58:28] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Community: 2.5.0 (at community.zenoss.org)
[13-Nov-2009 13:12:00] <zuez> hmmm, the manager doesn't like it when i add itself as a device?
[13-Nov-2009 13:12:37] <zuez> getting sendto error Host foo and foo are both using ip 1.2.3.4
[13-Nov-2009 13:18:39] <RoundQube> you're welcome ErikRose hehe
[13-Nov-2009 13:27:58] <gwb2351> hmmm... upgraded to 2.4.5
[13-Nov-2009 13:28:10] <gwb2351> getting hit with this bug (fixed): http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5494
[13-Nov-2009 13:28:29] <gwb2351> zenoss monitoring devices are on RFC 1918 space, can't use zenpatch. where do I download it directly?
[13-Nov-2009 13:36:27] <kobalt> gwb2351: well you can either edit the files by hand (not recomended if you dont know what your doing) or you can download the file and put it in the $ZENHOME/Products folder then run zenpatch
[13-Nov-2009 13:48:15] <gwb2351> where is the file stored for download?
[13-Nov-2009 13:52:55] <jrock2004> With WMI for the username and password. Does it read the zWinUser and zWinPass
[13-Nov-2009 13:52:56] <jrock2004> ?
[13-Nov-2009 13:53:17] <cgibbons> zWinUser and zWinPassword
[13-Nov-2009 13:59:09] <gheorghe> hello, is there an easy way to include an snmp trap's description from the MIB in one of the event's fields, and later in the email notification, or do I have to use an event transform for that?
[13-Nov-2009 14:00:09] <gheorghe> core 2.5, btw
[13-Nov-2009 14:02:16] <kobalt> gwb2351: at the bottom of the page for the patch (click on the patch number)
[13-Nov-2009 14:05:42] <jrock2004> cgibbons: Thanks
[13-Nov-2009 14:12:02] <zuez> This is rather confusing: From the Services Overview page, in the Services text field, enter the name of the service you want to monitor.
[13-Nov-2009 14:12:24] <zuez> I guess it means the search text field
[13-Nov-2009 14:12:39] <zuez> although there's two of them on this page.
[13-Nov-2009 14:17:45] <Rocinante> So, I mentioned this last night, but while rmatte was a big help we weren't able to figure out what's going on. In 2.5.0, I have this event transformation: http://pastebin.ca/1670347
[13-Nov-2009 14:17:52] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Miscellany - post number 1670347 (at pastebin.ca)
[13-Nov-2009 14:17:56] <Rocinante> But I can't get the production state to change, no matter what I do
[13-Nov-2009 14:20:50] <chudler> ahem, here's a silly question. What's a quick way to determine the zenoss version number when zenoss is not running?
[13-Nov-2009 14:23:05] <rmatte> chudler: cat $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/ZVersion.py
[13-Nov-2009 14:23:24] <chudler> muchos!
[13-Nov-2009 14:23:28] <rmatte> :)
[13-Nov-2009 14:25:29] <gwb2351> is there a way (other than looking in the products subdir) to tell what patches have been applied to the version?
[13-Nov-2009 14:26:15] <cgibbons> nope
[13-Nov-2009 14:28:01] <chemist> evening
[13-Nov-2009 14:28:41] <chemist> is there a way of getting installed sw on linux machines in the way it reports win machines?
[13-Nov-2009 14:28:56] <jrock2004> chemist: What distro?
[13-Nov-2009 14:29:13] <chemist> mainly centOS and Fedora
[13-Nov-2009 14:29:18] <chemist> some debian too
[13-Nov-2009 14:29:31] <chemist> (our devs are very undecided :) )
[13-Nov-2009 14:29:47] <zenethian> no SuSE? :P
[13-Nov-2009 14:29:53] <zenethian> why not throw some Gentoo in there too.
[13-Nov-2009 14:29:59] <jrock2004> well I know there is a zenpack for ubuntu
[13-Nov-2009 14:30:02] <gwb2351> the linux boxes I have (redhat EL) have information under the "software" tab when using the SSH bits
[13-Nov-2009 14:31:09] <zenethian> in my limited experience thus far, when using ssh it seems to populate the software tab for Linux, but that may be for specific distros only. (also take everything I say with a grain or two of salt)
[13-Nov-2009 14:31:16] <chemist> gwb2351: you mean using the /Server/SSH/Linux templates?
[13-Nov-2009 14:31:24] <gwb2351> yes
[13-Nov-2009 14:31:35] <chemist> I'll give it a go
[13-Nov-2009 14:31:38] <gwb2351> it shows stuff from dag, ibm, mysql, redhat, and our satellite server channels
[13-Nov-2009 14:32:08] <zenethian> I need a server with HBO.
[13-Nov-2009 14:33:06] <gwb2351> btw, thanks rmatte for setting up the page with post-2.4.5 patchset recc
[13-Nov-2009 14:33:24] <chemist> gwb2351: is your ssh account just a standard account? as in not root?
[13-Nov-2009 14:35:28] <gwb2351> correct, keys setup for the zenoss user/directory
[13-Nov-2009 14:35:51] <chemist> thnks
[13-Nov-2009 14:35:51] <gwb2351> (see the zproperties bits for the device)
[13-Nov-2009 14:39:47] <rmatte> chemist: there are ZenPacks for doing that
[13-Nov-2009 14:40:05] <rmatte> chemist: Fedora Linux ZenPack, Ubuntu Linux ZenPack, etc...
[13-Nov-2009 14:40:27] <MACscr> been doing a lot of googling lately about monitoring solutions and it appears that zope is a pretty common complaint against zenoss
[13-Nov-2009 14:40:29] <rmatte> chemist: just pick the right ones (the fedora one will work with CentOS, and the Ubuntu one should work with Debian)
[13-Nov-2009 14:40:42] <chemist> rmatte: cool, thanks
[13-Nov-2009 14:40:50] <rmatte> MACscr: yeh, but when the entire product is built around it, it's not really that easy to switch
[13-Nov-2009 14:41:06] <rmatte> MACscr: plus, there was nothing else around back when they started coding Zenoss
[13-Nov-2009 14:41:32] <rmatte> MACscr: and quite honestly, I don't find it utterly horrifying, I'm starting to get used to it
[13-Nov-2009 14:44:48] <MACscr> oh, im not saying it would be easy, just that it should be done or at least highly considered because right now zenoss is just shooting itself in the foot by clients not considering the product because of zope, which in turns means less revenue, etc
[13-Nov-2009 14:45:29] <cgibbons> why would a user care if it uses Zope or some other random app server?
[13-Nov-2009 14:47:05] <rmatte> MACscr: I haven't seen anyone not consider the product just because it uses zope
[13-Nov-2009 14:47:19] <MACscr> rmatte: you might want to do some googling then =P
[13-Nov-2009 14:47:21] <rmatte> MACscr: you'd have to be stupid not to consider Zenoss, it does what it does very well
[13-Nov-2009 14:47:30] <rmatte> MACscr: regardless of the database it uses
[13-Nov-2009 14:51:07] <gheorghe> did some more searching, it looks like it's gonna be complicated to get the trap descriptions from the dmd, is there really nothing ootb or some zenpack to get the trap description in one event field?
[13-Nov-2009 14:52:17] <gheorghe> the trap names get translated, but the description is really necessary
[13-Nov-2009 14:52:37] <rmatte> gheorghe: what do you mean by the "description"?
[13-Nov-2009 14:53:01] <rmatte> gheorghe: it sounds like you need to read up on authoring event transforms
[13-Nov-2009 14:53:04] <gheorghe> well, in the snmp mib, every trap has a description
[13-Nov-2009 14:53:22] <gheorghe> I don't know exactly how standard it is
[13-Nov-2009 14:53:25] <rmatte> right, hence why you need to author event transforms to display them the way you want them to be displayed
[13-Nov-2009 14:54:11] <rmatte> there are infinite possible traps that could come in, so there's no pre-done package
[13-Nov-2009 14:54:18] <rmatte> you're supposed to tune your install yourself
[13-Nov-2009 14:54:33] <gheorghe> I see
[13-Nov-2009 14:55:26] <gheorghe> so, if I can see that information in the zenoss gui, then I should be able to get it through zendmd?
[13-Nov-2009 14:55:48] <rmatte> oh, you want to access the info from an event through zendmd?
[13-Nov-2009 14:56:20] <gheorghe> no, I want to create a new field in the event
[13-Nov-2009 14:56:32] <rmatte> hunh?
[13-Nov-2009 14:56:32] <gheorghe> with data from the mib
[13-Nov-2009 14:56:36] <rmatte> ok, you just took a total 180
[13-Nov-2009 14:57:03] <rmatte> that's what I'm telling you, you need to read up on event transforms
[13-Nov-2009 14:57:07] <rmatte> you don't need to make a new field
[13-Nov-2009 14:57:19] <rmatte> what you do is for each type of trap you write a little 3 to 5 line python script
[13-Nov-2009 14:57:40] <rmatte> which basically gathers the details of the traps and automatically formats the event summary using that data
[13-Nov-2009 14:57:45] <rmatte> so instead of snmp trap bleh
[13-Nov-2009 14:58:02] <rmatte> you'd get: "Alert: bleh changed to 10"
[13-Nov-2009 14:58:04] <rmatte> or whatever
[13-Nov-2009 14:58:36] <rmatte> let me give you an example...
[13-Nov-2009 14:58:39] <gheorghe> yes, so where can I find information on how to get info from snmp mib in a transform?
[13-Nov-2009 14:58:47] <gheorghe> I know roughly what a transform is
[13-Nov-2009 14:58:59] <gheorghe> I've seen some examples
[13-Nov-2009 14:58:59] <rmatte> you know how to view event details right?
[13-Nov-2009 14:59:14] <gheorghe> click on the button? :)
[13-Nov-2009 14:59:42] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Nov-2009 14:59:46] <rmatte> and then there's a details tab
[13-Nov-2009 14:59:47] <rmatte> for traps
[13-Nov-2009 14:59:52] <rmatte> with the names of the properties
[13-Nov-2009 15:00:09] <gheorghe> well yes
[13-Nov-2009 15:00:19] <gheorghe> and I want to add a new detail
[13-Nov-2009 15:00:32] <gheorghe> or modify one of those with the description from the mib
[13-Nov-2009 15:01:46] <zuez> Is it possible to bind a Process class to a device class?
[13-Nov-2009 15:01:59] <zuez> like if I want /device/server to get monitored by a class of processes i setup
[13-Nov-2009 15:07:42] <gheorghe> rmatte: thanks for the help so far
[13-Nov-2009 15:07:51] <chemist> should the ubuntu zenpack display the installed sw inmediately after remodelling?
[13-Nov-2009 15:07:57] <gheorghe> can you point me to some more documentation
[13-Nov-2009 15:08:30] <gheorghe> on how I can access stuff in the dmd, I think, so I can access the mib description
[13-Nov-2009 15:08:35] <chemist> or any of the distro specific zenpacks for that matter
[13-Nov-2009 15:09:06] <gheorghe> most transform examples seem to concentrate on getting info from events
[13-Nov-2009 15:09:35] <gheorghe> but what I'm looking for is not in the event itself, but in the mib
[13-Nov-2009 15:14:19] <jrock2004_> chemist: Yes
[13-Nov-2009 15:15:05] <rmatte> gheorghe: sorry, had to step away for a bit...
[13-Nov-2009 15:15:13] <gheorghe> no problem
[13-Nov-2009 15:15:30] <jrock2004_> chemist: Did you create Server/SSH/Linux/Ubuntu
[13-Nov-2009 15:15:57] <rmatte> gheorghe: here's an example of a trap: http://pastebin.com/m30b80d3a
[13-Nov-2009 15:16:07] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[13-Nov-2009 15:16:13] <rmatte> gheorghe: I'm using the getattr function at the top to grab the different Mib properties that I want to use
[13-Nov-2009 15:16:47] jrock2004_ is now known as jrock2004
[13-Nov-2009 15:16:58] <rmatte> gheorghe: then if the msgtext variable (which I grabbed from clogHistMsgText) equals "decrypt: mac verify failed" I'm dropping the event
[13-Nov-2009 15:17:48] <rmatte> and actually, that second re.match should be re.search (I wrote this a long time ago when I wasn't great at python)
[13-Nov-2009 15:18:18] <chemist> jrock2004: yes, and I amended zproperties
[13-Nov-2009 15:18:22] <gheorghe> I see
[13-Nov-2009 15:18:23] <rmatte> then it adjusts the severity depending on the severity taken from the mib properties
[13-Nov-2009 15:18:34] <rmatte> since cisco does their severities opposite to how zenoss does them
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:03] <rmatte> then it changes the component of the event to SYSLOG-%s, where %s is the severity
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:10] <gheorghe> but that accesses data from the event itself, as far as I understand it
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:26] <gheorghe> I mean, it accesses data got from the snmp query
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:31] <chemist> zcommandPassword and zCommandUsername?
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:38] <rmatte> it accessed data gotten from the snmp trap
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:42] <rmatte> accesses*
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:46] <gheorghe> yes
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:53] <gheorghe> my data is not in the snmp trap
[13-Nov-2009 15:19:54] <chemist> I'm not using keys atm
[13-Nov-2009 15:20:01] <rmatte> gheorghe: where is it then?
[13-Nov-2009 15:20:08] <gheorghe> in the mib :)
[13-Nov-2009 15:20:17] <rmatte> gheorghe: hunh?
[13-Nov-2009 15:20:26] <gheorghe> I imported the mib from the vendor
[13-Nov-2009 15:20:37] <jrock2004> I am assuming you have the Linux monitor and the Linux monitor addon?
[13-Nov-2009 15:20:45] <gheorghe> and for each snmp trap, it has a name, description, severity and other stuff
[13-Nov-2009 15:20:47] <chemist> yes
[13-Nov-2009 15:21:05] <rmatte> gheorghe: I see, so you actually want the vendor's description of the Mib to show up in the event?
[13-Nov-2009 15:21:11] <gheorghe> yes
[13-Nov-2009 15:21:16] <rmatte> gheorghe: I don't think that's possible
[13-Nov-2009 15:21:24] <rmatte> gheorghe: and I really don't see the value in that
[13-Nov-2009 15:21:26] <jrock2004> I am trying to remember, is there a template for it?
[13-Nov-2009 15:21:28] <gheorghe> zenoss translates the name and I think some other stuff by default
[13-Nov-2009 15:21:44] <rmatte> gheorghe: if you've properly transformed your events based on the Mib descriptions then you won't need them
[13-Nov-2009 15:22:15] <rmatte> gheorghe: the descriptions are just sort of a rough description of why the traps are coming in
[13-Nov-2009 15:22:33] <rmatte> gheorghe: which you can do in a transform anyways, just make the event summary for descriptive
[13-Nov-2009 15:22:42] <rmatte> s/for/more
[13-Nov-2009 15:22:49] <jrock2004> chemist: Let me install that zenpack again
[13-Nov-2009 15:23:04] <chemist> thanks, can't see any templates
[13-Nov-2009 15:23:41] <gheorghe> in my case, the descriptions are pretty good, and it would be useful to know immediately what that alert means instead of looking it up yourself in the mib
[13-Nov-2009 15:24:27] <gheorghe> but zenoss doesen't include them in the event details by default
[13-Nov-2009 15:25:00] <rmatte> gheorghe: well, you'd have to figure out what function can be called to get the description for a particular Mib and then somehow implement it in to a Transform that's applied globally. But somehow I doubt that would be easy, and I'm not sure it would be possible
[13-Nov-2009 15:25:40] <rmatte> gheorghe: that's because the description for a lot of Mibs is useless
[13-Nov-2009 15:26:07] <jrock2004> chemist: did you add the collector plugins?
[13-Nov-2009 15:26:30] <chemist> I'm sure I did
[13-Nov-2009 15:26:33] <chemist> let me check
[13-Nov-2009 15:26:38] <jrock2004> I would check that
[13-Nov-2009 15:26:40] <rmatte> gheorghe: it's really just development work that needs to be done, brush up on your python and mess around in zendmd
[13-Nov-2009 15:27:43] <chemist> jrock2004: yes,all the zenoss.cmd.linux.... plugins are there
[13-Nov-2009 15:27:47] <gheorghe> yeah, I guess so, in this case, the traps signal some error in an application, the name is somewhat descriptive, but not enough, and you don't want to waste time searching through the mib one the application is about to go down :)
[13-Nov-2009 15:28:24] <gheorghe> rmatte: thanks for all the help, I'll see if I can get something from zendmd
[13-Nov-2009 15:28:40] <rmatte> np
[13-Nov-2009 15:29:04] <jrock2004> chemist: Do you have zenoss.cmd.linux.ubuntu_aptitude there cause I added that and I am getting my software list
[13-Nov-2009 15:29:12] <chemist> yes I do
[13-Nov-2009 15:29:39] <jrock2004> when you model the device does it show any errors?
[13-Nov-2009 15:30:57] <chemist> jrock2004: no, give me a sec, I'll pastebin what I get
[13-Nov-2009 15:31:36] <jrock2004> k
[13-Nov-2009 15:31:48] <chemist> http://pastebin.ca/1670469
[13-Nov-2009 15:31:55] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Anonymous - post number 1670469 (at pastebin.ca)
[13-Nov-2009 15:32:23] <jrock2004> There is no plugins set
[13-Nov-2009 15:32:42] <jrock2004> could you do a screen shot of your collectorplugins for thi device
[13-Nov-2009 15:32:51] <jrock2004> you can post it to imagebin.ca
[13-Nov-2009 15:32:57] <chemist> one sec
[13-Nov-2009 15:34:35] <jrock2004> Also since you are not using snmp do you have the ssh username and password set
[13-Nov-2009 15:34:57] <chemist> zcommandPassword and zCommandUsername?
[13-Nov-2009 15:35:10] <jrock2004> zCommandUsername and zCommandPassword, yes
[13-Nov-2009 15:35:11] <ErikRose_> After upgrading from 2.3.x to 2.4.5, zenping, zensyslog, and zentrap won't start. Nothing in the logs. Has anyone else run into this?
[13-Nov-2009 15:35:18] <chemist> yes I do
[13-Nov-2009 15:35:32] <ErikRose_> Even cranking the log level to Debug shows nothing.
[13-Nov-2009 15:36:05] <jrock2004> ok then, lets see a show of the collector plugins for the device that has Ubuntu installed
[13-Nov-2009 15:37:02] <chemist> http://imagebin.ca/view/Tz7GrG.html
[13-Nov-2009 15:37:12] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss.JPG (at imagebin.ca)
[13-Nov-2009 15:38:42] <jrock2004> hmm it is funny cause when you model a device it should show the plugins it used. Yours does not. http://pastebin.ca/1670480
[13-Nov-2009 15:38:49] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Something - post number 1670480 (at pastebin.ca)
[13-Nov-2009 15:39:17] <jrock2004> That is a copy of my model device. See how it has plugins:
[13-Nov-2009 15:39:38] <chemist> yes
[13-Nov-2009 15:40:05] <jrock2004> Does that device has any events on it?
[13-Nov-2009 15:40:06] <chemist> it's like what I see when I model an snmp device
[13-Nov-2009 15:40:44] <jrock2004> What version of Zenoss you using?
[13-Nov-2009 15:40:50] <chemist> 2.5
[13-Nov-2009 15:41:42] <jrock2004> So does that device have any events generated on it?
[13-Nov-2009 15:41:46] <chemist> no
[13-Nov-2009 15:42:19] <jrock2004> in the zProperties what is the zCommandProtocol set too
[13-Nov-2009 15:42:38] <chemist> ssh
[13-Nov-2009 15:43:22] <chemist> I haven't restarted zenoss since I installed te plugins, IIRC
[13-Nov-2009 15:44:07] <jrock2004> I would restart zenoss
[13-Nov-2009 15:44:21] <jrock2004> if that does not work try clicking on the down arrow and go to more. then click lock. then click on unlock. then remodel the device
[13-Nov-2009 15:47:38] <chemist> aha, after a restart I'm getting errors, looking more promising :)
[13-Nov-2009 15:47:45] <chemist> ssh login errors
[13-Nov-2009 15:48:19] <jrock2004> good
[13-Nov-2009 15:49:47] <zuez> noob question, but what template do I need to bind to a device so it graphs bandwidth passing through an interface?
[13-Nov-2009 15:50:31] <chemist> ok, I think the ubuntuaptitude collector might need modding for debian
[13-Nov-2009 15:51:02] <jrock2004> Are you getting further now?
[13-Nov-2009 15:51:31] <chemist> yes, I can model the device correctly (apart from the sw bit)
[13-Nov-2009 15:52:30] <chemist> http://pastebin.ca/1670515
[13-Nov-2009 15:52:33] <jrock2004> Well that Ubuntu addon might specifically be for ubuntu
[13-Nov-2009 15:52:37] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Mine - post number 1670515 (at pastebin.ca)
[13-Nov-2009 15:53:41] <jrock2004> If you go into settings then click on zenpacks tab do you see the ubuntu zenpack there?
[13-Nov-2009 15:54:35] <zuez> ethernetCsmacd this handles performance monitoring for a network interface?
[13-Nov-2009 15:55:36] <chemist> jrock2004: yes it is, just going on rmatte's suggestion that it should work with debian
[13-Nov-2009 15:55:58] <chemist> I'm sure I can make it work with debian :)
[13-Nov-2009 15:56:10] <chemist> I'll have a good go at it anyhow
[13-Nov-2009 15:56:27] <jrock2004> I would check to make sure the 3 zenpacks are installed
[13-Nov-2009 15:56:45] <jrock2004> linux, linux addon
[13-Nov-2009 15:56:53] <chemist> yes, all 3
[13-Nov-2009 15:57:07] <jrock2004> Hmm then not sure why you are getting those errors then
[13-Nov-2009 15:59:03] <chemist> do you know if I cna use ssh and snmp concurretly?
[13-Nov-2009 15:59:14] <jrock2004> yes sir you can
[13-Nov-2009 15:59:27] <chemist> great !!
[13-Nov-2009 16:00:03] <chemist> just set zSnmpMonitorIgnore to flase?
[13-Nov-2009 16:00:17] <chemist> *false
[13-Nov-2009 16:00:23] <jrock2004> yep then add the snmp collector plugins and remodel
[13-Nov-2009 16:00:56] <chemist> cool, I'm so glad my colleague and me talked the team round to zenoss
[13-Nov-2009 16:01:20] <chemist> (the rest wanted to use nagios)
[13-Nov-2009 16:01:23] <jrock2004> I just switched like 2 weeks ago
[13-Nov-2009 16:01:36] <jrock2004> I used nagios
[13-Nov-2009 16:01:49] <jrock2004> Zenoss 100% better
[13-Nov-2009 16:02:12] <chemist> are you using any nagios plugins with it?
[13-Nov-2009 16:02:22] <jrock2004> I still have nagios running and I got an alert that something happen via zenoss and nagios did not even know it yet
[13-Nov-2009 16:02:33] <jrock2004> I have not found the need to yet
[13-Nov-2009 16:03:15] <chemist> cool, are you using zenoss' process monitoring on linux boxes?
[13-Nov-2009 16:03:27] <jrock2004> I would like too eventually because there is a cool nagios plugin that checks blacklists to see if my IP is on it
[13-Nov-2009 16:03:54] <jrock2004> Yes
[13-Nov-2009 16:04:07] <jrock2004> On some
[13-Nov-2009 16:04:49] <chemist> I am trying to decide wether to use zenoss itself or set up snmp on each box
[13-Nov-2009 16:05:08] <chemist> I tried the zenoss one and found it a bit 'static'
[13-Nov-2009 16:06:00] <rmatte> what do you mean by set up snmp on each box?
[13-Nov-2009 16:06:09] <rmatte> zenoss does monitoring via snmp
[13-Nov-2009 16:06:10] <rmatte> lol
[13-Nov-2009 16:06:25] <jrock2004> are you talking about ssh vs snmp
[13-Nov-2009 16:06:26] <jrock2004> ?
[13-Nov-2009 16:06:49] <chemist> something I saw in one of Jane Curry's papers
[13-Nov-2009 16:07:10] <jrock2004> Ok I am lost :)
[13-Nov-2009 16:07:21] <rmatte> yeh, I'm lost too
[13-Nov-2009 16:07:24] <rmatte> no idea what you mean
[13-Nov-2009 16:07:31] <chemist> one sec
[13-Nov-2009 16:08:06] <chemist> http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/process_monitoring.pdf
[13-Nov-2009 16:08:47] <rmatte> ok, process monitoring is done via SNMP too
[13-Nov-2009 16:08:57] <rmatte> so I still don't know what you mean
[13-Nov-2009 16:09:44] <rmatte> unless you're talking about revealing SNMP values via net-snmp
[13-Nov-2009 16:09:54] <gwb2351> i think the question is "do i use ssh to monitor processes on a system, or extend the snmp mib to report if a process is running"
[13-Nov-2009 16:10:28] <rmatte> I'd personally go snmp hands down, but that's me
[13-Nov-2009 16:10:51] <chemist> ok, that's the answer I was looking for :)
[13-Nov-2009 16:11:13] <gwb2351> for us, it was all a question of "do we have authority to login via ssh" but the default was to use ssh instead of snmp. this was primarily driven by the non-snmp background of our group
[13-Nov-2009 16:11:18] <jrock2004> snmp will give you more information out of the box then ssh
[13-Nov-2009 16:11:32] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Nov-2009 16:11:42] <rmatte> I'm also a huge fan of SNMP since I know it quite well
[13-Nov-2009 16:11:43] <jrock2004> the only time I use ssh is when I have an old box that I cannot install snmp on
[13-Nov-2009 16:11:46] <gwb2351> which allowed the non-snmp-familiar people to click on "os processes" and add what they cared about to monitor running
[13-Nov-2009 16:12:08] <rmatte> well, I'm out of here
[13-Nov-2009 16:12:10] <rmatte> later folks
[13-Nov-2009 16:13:12] <chemist> ok, one thing I don't grasp yet (I am very green in snmp) is on that document, on page 10 she refers to the snmp v3 user
[13-Nov-2009 16:13:24] <rmatte> don't bother with snmpv3
[13-Nov-2009 16:13:44] <rmatte> it's basically just a version of snmp that encrypts the data and requires a username and password instead of just a community string
[13-Nov-2009 16:13:48] <rmatte> it's more hassle than it's worth
[13-Nov-2009 16:13:59] <gwb2351> snmp v2c is the "easiest" to use, unless you have an information security office breathing down your neck with "everything must be encrypted!"
[13-Nov-2009 16:14:22] <gwb2351> totally agree with rmatte. v3 is a PITA
[13-Nov-2009 16:15:46] <jrock2004> Can you add customer OS processes?
[13-Nov-2009 16:16:22] <chemist> ok,last question. when I add a process to be monitored in zenoss,is it the same as adding that process in the snmp.conf file on the individual boox?
[13-Nov-2009 16:16:28] <jrock2004> *custom
[13-Nov-2009 16:16:31] <chemist> *box
[13-Nov-2009 16:19:12] <jrock2004> Well guys I am off to go home. See ya later
[13-Nov-2009 16:32:15] <zuez> I wonder how much work it would be to slap an XML interface on top of zenoss's frontend so non-web clients can be built
[13-Nov-2009 16:32:31] <zuez> at least for fundamental stuff like events, etc
[13-Nov-2009 16:33:59] <ErikRose_> You could query the MySQL DB directly.
[13-Nov-2009 16:34:29] <zuez> that's actually true, and built an XML interface based on those queries
[13-Nov-2009 16:34:36] <zuez> s/built/build
[13-Nov-2009 16:53:06] <zenethian> er, you can only query the mysql db for events
[13-Nov-2009 16:53:08] <zenethian> the rest are stored in zodb
[13-Nov-2009 16:53:19] <ErikRose_> Sure. You can connect to ZEO remotely, too.
[13-Nov-2009 16:54:24] * zenethian passes out beers for anyone who's still left working in here at this time of day
[13-Nov-2009 16:54:42] * ErikRose swigs.
[13-Nov-2009 17:19:58] <markeriv> temporary failure in name resolution
[13-Nov-2009 17:20:14] <markeriv> i keep getting this while trying to send a test email
[13-Nov-2009 17:20:32] <markeriv> i have checked the server's dns, and it is able to surf the web just fine
[13-Nov-2009 17:20:44] <markeriv> should I restart the server or just zenoss?
[13-Nov-2009 17:21:21] <ke4qqq> are you able to use dig and nslookup from the commandline?
[13-Nov-2009 17:21:30] <ke4qqq> on the zenoss server
[13-Nov-2009 17:21:37] <markeriv> yes
[13-Nov-2009 17:21:48] <ke4qqq> actually lets step back - what's giving you the error 'temporary failure in name resolutions'
[13-Nov-2009 17:21:48] <markeriv> think i might have just figured it out however
[13-Nov-2009 17:21:55] <markeriv> zenactions and zencommand were shut down
[13-Nov-2009 17:22:04] <markeriv> really odd O.o
[13-Nov-2009 17:22:27] <markeriv> its when I try an email test
[13-Nov-2009 17:22:30] <markeriv> it gives the following output
[13-Nov-2009 17:22:32] <markeriv> Test failed: socket.gaierror - (-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution')
[13-Nov-2009 17:22:49] <ke4qqq> what do you have defined as your smtphost?
[13-Nov-2009 17:22:59] <markeriv> telnesbr.accountsupport.com
[13-Nov-2009 17:23:20] <markeriv> i have checked via outlook that the username and pw and smtphost are correct
[13-Nov-2009 17:23:47] <ke4qqq> can you run dig against it from the zenoss box?
[13-Nov-2009 17:24:35] <ke4qqq> what version is this on??? regardless it should error sanely, not cause two daemons to die, so make sure you file a bug to get that fixed
[13-Nov-2009 18:28:20] <zuez> if alerting is user specific, there is no way to setup alerts for a team of admins?
[13-Nov-2009 18:28:33] <zuez> I want to have events go to certain users on certain days, etc
[13-Nov-2009 18:28:36] <zuez> rotating oncall
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[13-Nov-2009 19:23:39] <zuez> what's the best way to set the name of the zenoss box that's sending out alerts?
[13-Nov-2009 19:23:52] <zuez> it's reporting a hostname I'd like to customize when alerts go to e-mail
[13-Nov-2009 19:52:03] <ErikRose> Since upgrading to 2.5.0, my Event Console doesn't draw. It throws JS errors instead: "Ext is not defined". The patch listed on http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5722 doesn't help.
[13-Nov-2009 20:27:15] <zuez> so I'm messing around, shutting down some services intentionally to test alerting, smtp in this case. first time I shut it down, no problem, got the event/alert.
[13-Nov-2009 20:27:20] <zuez> acknowledged it, restarted the service
[13-Nov-2009 20:27:29] <zuez> now when I bring it down again, it doesn't create an alert for it anymore
[13-Nov-2009 20:35:22] <ErikRose> Does anyone know offhand what top-level URL paths Zenoss uses? I'm layering Zenoss atop an existing vhost and need to selectively proxy. So far, I've got zport (which used to be all I needed in 2.3 and 2.4), extjs, and zenui, but I'm still having tons of JS errors.
[13-Nov-2009 21:06:48] <zuez> bleh, if I want to monitor the cron process, I have to re-model every server?
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[15-Nov-2009 09:42:07] <wayland> Hello, today i have used the better part of the day trying to get zenoss running of a freebsd 8.0 rc2 box, and when i finnaly got it running i can't run the auto discover feature running the command listed in the job queue results in a segmentation fault :S
[15-Nov-2009 14:33:34] <wayland> any one had any success installing zenoss on a freebsd system?
[15-Nov-2009 14:36:10] <ke4qqq> wayland: I thought there was a dedicated group doing a ports build for one of the BSDs but can't recall off the top of my head.
[15-Nov-2009 14:37:50] <wayland> ke4qqq: sure, there is... i found this: docs/DOC-3514 the guide works, and it works with 2.5.0 as well. but zendisc crashes with a segmentation fault on both 2.4.4 and 2.5.0
[15-Nov-2009 14:37:57] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Install/Upgrade Zenoss 2.4.1 on FreeBSD 7.x (at community.zenoss.org)
[15-Nov-2009 14:38:03] <wayland> if there are another community i would like to know about it
[15-Nov-2009 14:38:12] <ke4qqq> I was just about to paste that link
[15-Nov-2009 14:39:06] <ke4qqq> mrayzenoss would be the person I'd ask - he was telling me how the BSD guys were submitting patches to make things install cleanly, he will probably be in on Monday
[15-Nov-2009 14:39:52] <wayland> ke4qqq: ok, i will try to see if i can get a hold of him on monday :)
[15-Nov-2009 14:40:15] <wayland> would it make any difference to try a svn checkout of the source?
[15-Nov-2009 14:41:26] <ke4qqq> it might - you may want to check the trac instance and see if there are any recently fixed bsd issues - you might even be able to use zenpatch to patch your current system
[15-Nov-2009 14:43:15] <wayland> i'll try :)
[15-Nov-2009 14:43:20] <wayland> Thanks for the hints
[15-Nov-2009 14:43:23] <ke4qqq> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/search?q=bsd
[15-Nov-2009 14:44:16] <ke4qqq> there are a few install related bugs there, but I understand that the BSD community is finding a lot of bugs and reporting/fixing them, so with a community that active they surely have something working.
[15-Nov-2009 14:50:15] <wayland> ke4qqq: yeah, found it, i think i will have a look at a svn checkout.... i do i have a off topic question, why is it that zenoss have all it's dependencies togehter with the main distribution?
[15-Nov-2009 14:51:02] <ke4qqq> wayland: long story short - they often require much older versions
[15-Nov-2009 14:51:37] <ke4qqq> wayland: I understand there is active work in place to get themselves up to date and get it to the point that they don't have to bundle dependencies.
[15-Nov-2009 14:52:32] <wayland> Ahh... ok that makes some sence, it just seems to me that in some cases it would create more problems then it solves when installing from source
[15-Nov-2009 14:53:56] <ke4qqq> it creates lots of problems for them, and they realize it, but it's gonna take some work and pain for them to get it fixed.
[15-Nov-2009 14:55:35] <wayland> Well.. i looking forward to seeing a more stabile install process in the future, for what i have seen so far this is way better than the other opensource products there are out there in this category
[15-Nov-2009 15:00:09] <ke4qqq> it's much better as it stands now, and getting better. I am really encouraged by what I see coming out of Zenoss
[15-Nov-2009 15:02:07] <wayland> I've been a nagios user for years now, and i need something that can do a little more, and so far i have tried zabbix and and hyperic... and i can't say i was impressed by those two
[15-Nov-2009 15:06:53] <ke4qqq> yeah - I did the same thing - started with nagios, used zenoss really early (like 1.x) and tried zabbix, hyperic and groundwork and circled back to zenoss - it's really the only player IMO in the open source world once you outgrow nagios.
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[16-Nov-2009 06:35:41] <Troubadix09> hi all
[16-Nov-2009 09:34:08] <rmatte> good morning all
[16-Nov-2009 09:36:43] <jrock2004> Good morning
[16-Nov-2009 09:37:20] * jrock2004 is excited for tomorrow
[16-Nov-2009 09:38:47] <rmatte> what's tomorrow?
[16-Nov-2009 09:43:25] <jrock2004> Assassins Creed 2
[16-Nov-2009 09:46:36] <rmatte> yeh that's out tomorrow
[16-Nov-2009 09:46:40] <rmatte> forgot about that hehe
[16-Nov-2009 09:46:55] <rmatte> I've been playing MW2 a lot, haven't played online yet, almost done single player campaign
[16-Nov-2009 09:47:38] <ke4qqq> rmatte: you still have a 2.5.x test instance up
[16-Nov-2009 09:47:58] <rmatte> ke4qqq: yup
[16-Nov-2009 09:48:07] <rmatte> it's going to be up until we go prod with it hehe
[16-Nov-2009 09:48:20] <ke4qqq> can you see if you can replicate http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5814
[16-Nov-2009 09:48:30] <ke4qqq> and see if that still exists in 2.5
[16-Nov-2009 09:48:47] <rmatte> sure thing
[16-Nov-2009 09:49:33] <rmatte> I'll need to add a fake device in and wait for availability to drop, give me a few
[16-Nov-2009 09:49:40] <ke4qqq> k, no rush
[16-Nov-2009 09:50:30] <rmatte> I finished packaging my ticket create daemon on Friday, it's pretty awesome now, can start and stop it from the Zenoss UI, can view the log and edit the config from the UI too
[16-Nov-2009 09:50:44] <rmatte> I like the way that Zenoss handles new daemons, very easy to implement
[16-Nov-2009 09:51:21] <rmatte> ok, availability immediately dropped to 29.369%... time to test...
[16-Nov-2009 09:51:49] <rmatte> nope, renamed and it maintained the same availability
[16-Nov-2009 09:51:55] <rmatte> so looks like that one is fixed
[16-Nov-2009 09:52:13] <ke4qqq> good
[16-Nov-2009 09:52:41] <rmatte> but wait, was that availability report though
[16-Nov-2009 09:52:44] <rmatte> or just the device page?
[16-Nov-2009 09:53:40] <rmatte> ah, they both seem fine
[16-Nov-2009 10:00:15] <gwb2351> with 3 authors of the community netapp zenpack, what's the best route to ask about bugs/errors ?
[16-Nov-2009 10:00:54] <rmatte> whoever made the latest update would be the one to ask
[16-Nov-2009 10:01:04] <rmatte> since the other 2 are probably no longer active on the project
[16-Nov-2009 10:06:01] <ke4qqq> sorry just the device page.
[16-Nov-2009 10:06:14] <rmatte> yeh, it worked fine for everything
[16-Nov-2009 10:07:06] <ErikRose> Anybody else have tons of JS errors when trying to view the Event Console in 2.5.0?
[16-Nov-2009 10:07:20] <ErikRose> Happens regardless of browser.
[16-Nov-2009 10:08:46] <rmatte> ErikRose: nope, haven't seen any problems like that
[16-Nov-2009 10:09:03] <rmatte> ErikRose: but I'm only tried on firefox... let me check IE...
[16-Nov-2009 10:09:25] <ErikRose> Happens for me on FF 3.5.3, for example
[16-Nov-2009 10:09:48] <ErikRose> Let me see exactly what they are now. I solved a few by proxying /zenui and /extjs through to Zenoss.
[16-Nov-2009 10:10:33] <ErikRose> The first one I'm hitting now is a "parwin.zmlistener is undefined" on line 708 of zenoss-utils.js?_dc=250
[16-Nov-2009 10:10:40] <ErikRose> And sure enough, it is. :-)
[16-Nov-2009 10:10:57] <rmatte> I'm using firefox 3.5.5 and it's perfectly fine
[16-Nov-2009 10:11:19] <rmatte> ErikRose: was this a brand new install or an upgrade?
[16-Nov-2009 10:11:31] <ErikRose> An upgrade from 2.3.3 to 2.4.5 and now to 2.5.0.
[16-Nov-2009 10:11:46] <rmatte> ok, and did you clear your browser cache as directed by the install guide?
[16-Nov-2009 10:11:59] <ErikRose> Yes, and I took these steps to fix various other problems: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/1602#Thenupgradefrom2.4.5to2.5.0
[16-Nov-2009 10:13:27] <rmatte> the event console doesn't render at all in IE for me, but that's a know bug that will be fixed in the next version
[16-Nov-2009 10:13:46] <rmatte> oh wait, it just suddenly rendered
[16-Nov-2009 10:13:49] <ErikRose> Yes, I saw that ticket. That's where I got zenpatch 15588.
[16-Nov-2009 10:14:08] <rmatte> yeh, it's rendering fine in IE now
[16-Nov-2009 10:14:18] <ErikRose> Thanks for letting me bounce this off you. :-) Sometimes even that helps.
[16-Nov-2009 10:14:27] <rmatte> np
[16-Nov-2009 10:14:58] <ErikRose> I wonder what the Event Console is *supposed* to look like. I wouldn't mind confirming it's even drawing correctly.
[16-Nov-2009 10:15:06] <ErikRose> Just for fun.
[16-Nov-2009 10:15:49] <rmatte> hmmm, looks like they might have taken down the public event console demo
[16-Nov-2009 10:16:34] <rmatte> do you maybe have too high of security settings enabled in your browser?
[16-Nov-2009 10:16:39] <rmatte> have you tried adding it to trusted sites?
[16-Nov-2009 10:17:01] <rmatte> (though that shouldn't be an issue with firefox by default unless you modified the settings)
[16-Nov-2009 10:17:06] <ErikRose> Usually I use OmniWeb; does that exist in FF?
[16-Nov-2009 10:17:17] <rmatte> what's OmniWeb?
[16-Nov-2009 10:17:25] <ErikRose> It's a WebKit-based browser.
[16-Nov-2009 10:17:35] <rmatte> you're trying to use that for Zenoss!?
[16-Nov-2009 10:17:53] <ErikRose> It worked great with 2.3 and 2.4. RIght now, I'm trying FF, since I figure the devs would have tested with it.
[16-Nov-2009 10:18:05] <ErikRose> THey both have the same errors.
[16-Nov-2009 10:18:12] <rmatte> yeh, firefox is just about the only browser that works flawlessly with king crab at the moment
[16-Nov-2009 10:18:32] <rmatte> The list of supported browsers is as follows...
[16-Nov-2009 10:18:33] <ErikRose> (OmniWeb is basically Safari with a different UI.)
[16-Nov-2009 10:18:42] <rmatte> full support: Firefox 3, Internet Explorer 7
[16-Nov-2009 10:18:49] <ErikRose> Yes, I know. I'd be happy if *anything* worked.
[16-Nov-2009 10:18:50] <rmatte> partial support: Chrome, Opera, Safari 3
[16-Nov-2009 10:19:11] <rmatte> have you tried from a completely different computer?
[16-Nov-2009 10:19:26] <ErikRose> That I have not. Hang on...
[16-Nov-2009 10:19:32] <rmatte> (need to determine whether the issue is server related or workstation related)
[16-Nov-2009 10:19:34] <rmatte> k
[16-Nov-2009 10:24:41] <rmatte> Bryanstein: hmmm, hadn't heard of shellium before, cool
[16-Nov-2009 10:28:52] <ErikRose> rmatte: Weird! FF on another computer also doesn't work (assuming that click Event History and then choosing a low Severity should show my old events), but it doesn't report any errors.
[16-Nov-2009 10:30:00] <ErikRose> Can I downgrade to 2.4.5, or will the migrations I made for 2.5 get in the way?
[16-Nov-2009 10:30:26] <rmatte> not sure about downgrading, don't think that's been officially tested
[16-Nov-2009 10:30:37] * ErikRose has been fighting with this all weekend.
[16-Nov-2009 10:30:47] <rmatte> you'd almost be better to do a full zenbackup, backup your Data.fs (just in case), then install from scratch and restore
[16-Nov-2009 10:31:00] <ErikRose> That sounds pretty good right now.
[16-Nov-2009 10:31:17] <ErikRose> Too bad the build takes 2 hours and I have to take Zenoss down while it happens.
[16-Nov-2009 10:31:52] <rmatte> you working with a physical machine or VMs?
[16-Nov-2009 10:32:02] <ErikRose> Physical 4-core Xeon 2.8
[16-Nov-2009 10:32:07] <rmatte> ah, that makes it difficult
[16-Nov-2009 10:32:16] <ErikRose> Yep :-)
[16-Nov-2009 10:32:20] <rmatte> was going to suggest to build a second machine and then bring it online as you take the other down
[16-Nov-2009 10:32:28] <rmatte> I absolutely love VMs, incredible flexibility
[16-Nov-2009 10:32:40] <ErikRose> I should probably bite the bullet and switch to a .deb install, even if it means not being able to use the Debian MYSQL.
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:01] <rmatte> the .deb is just the stack installer wrapped in a .deb
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:09] <rmatte> there really isn't anything else different about it from the stack
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:11] <ErikRose> Yes, the "integration" with Debian is nonexistent.
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:16] <ErikRose> No startup jobs or anything
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:22] <rmatte> it just adds an entry to the package manager
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:23] <rmatte> that's about it
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:35] <rmatte> the rest is all done via the stack installer
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:40] <ErikRose> GOod to know
[16-Nov-2009 10:33:55] <rmatte> I just prefer to use the regular stack installer (I manage Ubuntu servers, so very similar to Debian)
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:16] <ErikRose> How does the stack installer handle upgrades?
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:24] <rmatte> flawlessly in my experience
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:27] <ErikRose> i.e. does it work better than source?
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:29] <ErikRose> Cool.
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:30] <rmatte> haven't had a single issue
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:38] <ErikRose> I don't think source upgrades get tested.
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:40] <rmatte> and I've been using Zenoss since 2.3.2
[16-Nov-2009 10:34:50] <ErikRose> Yep, I started with 2.3.3 myself.
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:08] <rmatte> source upgrades get tested a bit, but a stack install is just overall better
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:16] <ErikRose> It takes me an average of 6 hour to work out the bugs on every install, so I wouldn't mind a better QA'd solution.
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:24] <rmatte> but it includes it's own SQL server, which some people don't like
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:34] <rmatte> since I have dedicated Zenoss VMs, I love the fact that it installs all ready to go
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:36] <rmatte> less hassle
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:47] <rmatte> it's easy enough to repoint it to another though
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:49] <ErikRose> Well, I'm using Postgres anyway for real stuff, so it can do what it wants with MySQL.
[16-Nov-2009 10:35:58] <rmatte> you just need to create the db/tables by hand
[16-Nov-2009 10:36:03] <rmatte> then edit a config or two
[16-Nov-2009 10:36:13] <rmatte> ah, cool
[16-Nov-2009 10:36:23] <ke4qqq> wish zenoss would work with pg
[16-Nov-2009 10:36:29] <ErikRose> Me too.
[16-Nov-2009 10:36:49] <ErikRose> I'd be happy to advise if somebody wanted to try the port.
[16-Nov-2009 10:36:51] <rmatte> yeh, the performance would be a bit better
[16-Nov-2009 10:37:40] <ErikRose> I think I'm going to try the stack installer, rmatte. Thanks for the advice!
[16-Nov-2009 10:37:51] <ke4qqq> stack install?? really?? I thought the official line was - use the native packages not the stackinstaller.
[16-Nov-2009 10:37:55] <rmatte> np, it should work out well for you
[16-Nov-2009 10:38:01] <rmatte> I didn't realize you had installed from source
[16-Nov-2009 10:38:27] <rmatte> in my opinion the only reason to install from source is if you're running it on FreeBSD (which is always problematic anyways)
[16-Nov-2009 10:38:34] <ErikRose> Yeah, I'm running 3 other Zope instances on this box for Plone, and I originally was going to try to coerce Zenoss to use ports other than its default.
[16-Nov-2009 10:38:53] <rmatte> ErikRose: it's pretty simple to change the default ports
[16-Nov-2009 10:38:54] <ErikRose> I finally gave up and moved my other stuff.
[16-Nov-2009 10:38:58] <rmatte> ErikRose: it's just some config editing
[16-Nov-2009 10:39:04] <rmatte> oh?
[16-Nov-2009 10:39:25] <rmatte> actually, there's a super super simple way to do it... let me find the line...
[16-Nov-2009 10:39:30] <ErikRose> Doesn't look like I wrote down why it was so hard.
[16-Nov-2009 10:39:45] <ErikRose> I should file a ticket about the /usr/lib/zope thing on Debian.
[16-Nov-2009 10:40:29] <rmatte> there's a spot somewhere when you can tell it in 1 spot to increment all of the ports by a certain amount
[16-Nov-2009 10:40:32] <rmatte> just trying to find it
[16-Nov-2009 10:40:39] <rmatte> saves you from having to edit tons of different configs
[16-Nov-2009 10:40:43] <ErikRose> That would probably be in zope.conf.
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:04] <ErikRose> port-base
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:36] <rmatte> that's the one
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:53] <rmatte> # Description:
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:53] <rmatte> # Offset applied to the port numbers used for ZServer
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:53] <rmatte> # configurations. For example, if the http-server port is 8080 and
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:53] <rmatte> # the port-base is 1000, the HTTP server will listen on port 9080.
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:53] <rmatte> # This makes it easy to change the complete set of ports used by a
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:54] <rmatte> # Zope server process
[16-Nov-2009 10:41:59] <ErikRose> I won't make accusations whose details I have not recorded. ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 10:42:08] <rmatte> hehe
[16-Nov-2009 10:42:32] <ErikRose> Whoa! Apparently the deb now includes startup jobs!
[16-Nov-2009 10:42:46] * ErikRose makes sure it won't try to downgrade MySQL to an incompatible version.
[16-Nov-2009 10:42:49] <rmatte> well, no, the stack installer automatically configures the startup jobs
[16-Nov-2009 10:42:59] <rmatte> the deb is just a wrapper
[16-Nov-2009 10:43:18] <rmatte> stack installer FTW!
[16-Nov-2009 10:43:20] <ErikRose> Hopefully the deb declares the existence of the startup jobs like a good boy.
[16-Nov-2009 10:43:39] <rmatte> but yeh, for upgrades it's just a matter of running the newest version of the stack installer and it updates
[16-Nov-2009 10:43:51] <ErikRose> Any reason to *not* use the deb?
[16-Nov-2009 10:43:51] <rmatte> quick and simple
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:07] <ErikRose> Seems to save a little work
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:07] <rmatte> meh, I just prefer having it not register with the package manager
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:10] <rmatte> it's up to you
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:23] <rmatte> basically the difference between the two is this...
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:24] <ErikRose> I'm comfortable hacking APT if it comes to that. :-)
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:31] <rmatte> when you want to remove it you'll do apt-get remove zenoss
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:44] <rmatte> I'll do /usr/local/zenoss/uninstall && rm -rf /usr/local/zenoss
[16-Nov-2009 10:44:47] <ErikRose> aptitude > apt-get :-)
[16-Nov-2009 10:45:01] <ErikRose> Tracks all those pesky dependencies on removal.
[16-Nov-2009 10:45:08] <rmatte> I use aptitude when I'm searching and stuff and apt-get when I'm installing or removing packages
[16-Nov-2009 10:45:12] <rmatte> (just force of habbit)
[16-Nov-2009 10:45:32] <ErikRose> If you use aptitude, it will actually remove stuff that's no longer used by anything, when you remove the thing that used them.
[16-Nov-2009 10:45:47] <rmatte> I thought apt-get did that as well, but guess not
[16-Nov-2009 10:45:49] <ErikRose> apt-get doesn't record that stuff, though, so you're on your own with what you've already installed.
[16-Nov-2009 10:45:57] <rmatte> I see
[16-Nov-2009 10:46:02] <rmatte> noted
[16-Nov-2009 10:46:05] <ErikRose> Things could have changed, but it didn't used to.
[16-Nov-2009 10:47:03] <rmatte> I'm surprised that apt-get isn't just a symlink to aptitude at this point
[16-Nov-2009 10:47:13] <ErikRose> There are a lot of diffs.
[16-Nov-2009 10:47:35] <ErikRose> Like there is no "aptitude cache" subcommand.
[16-Nov-2009 10:48:03] <ErikRose> "aptitude search" works, though.
[16-Nov-2009 10:49:02] <ErikRose> When you upgrade the stack installer, do you have to run zenmigrate by hand?
[16-Nov-2009 11:03:17] <rmatte> to backup the stuff before updating you mean?
[16-Nov-2009 11:03:19] <rmatte> yes, you do
[16-Nov-2009 11:03:29] <rmatte> the stack installer only takes care of the update itself
[16-Nov-2009 11:03:47] <rmatte> actually, oh, thought you meant zenbackup
[16-Nov-2009 11:03:52] <ErikRose> Nifty
[16-Nov-2009 11:03:58] <rmatte> no, the stack installer does everything except for zenbackup
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:12] * ErikRose just discovered the zeopack cron job hiding out in ZENHOME/extras. I thought I was going to have to do that myself.
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:23] <rmatte> I never use zenbackup since I have VMs, so I just snapshot prior to upgrade, if anything goes sour I roll back
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:35] <aclark> ErikRose!
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:40] <ErikRose> aclark!
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:44] <ErikRose> Fancy meeting you here!
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:47] <rmatte> nah, the stack installer literally sets up everything, including startup scripts and cronjobs
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:53] <aclark> ErikRose: You should have come down for the community day FTW ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 11:04:56] <aclark> heh yeah!
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:04] <ErikRose> aclark: When was that? I didn't even hear about it!
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:06] <aclark> I see a lot of Plone peeps in here ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:09] <rmatte> it also performs all necessary upgrade steps when upgrading
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:12] * aclark looks around
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:13] <rmatte> it's pretty braindead
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:19] <aclark> ErikRose: Oh too bad, last week-ish?
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:23] * aclark has no concept of time
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:27] <ErikRose> Wow!
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:33] <ErikRose> Which community was it? Zenoss or Plone?
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:42] <rmatte> Zenoss
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:49] <aclark> Zenoss Community Day, was last day of LISA conf
[16-Nov-2009 11:05:51] <ErikRose> That would have been a blast.
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:00] <aclark> really cool event, they have vid i think
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:04] <ErikRose> As soon as I get 2.5 running, I mean to write a bunch of ZenPacks.
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:07] <rmatte> yeh, apparently the Zenoss guys put on a nice show
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:14] <rmatte> and they offer free training
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:20] <aclark> ErikRose: Awesome! I want to get on some of that myself
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:32] <aclark> rmatte: I was really nice…
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:38] <ErikRose> I need an HttpMonitor that doesn't go Critical the first time a socket times out, and I need something to warn me when my SSL certs are about to expire.
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:40] <aclark> s/I/it/
[16-Nov-2009 11:06:52] <rmatte> I wouldn't go for the training, in fact I'd probably just help people out during the training session, but I would like to fly out to some Zenoss event at some point just to meet some of the guys
[16-Nov-2009 11:07:12] <rmatte> ...and get myself a Zenny Zebra army
[16-Nov-2009 11:07:19] <aclark> hah right
[16-Nov-2009 11:07:20] <rmatte> the Zenny on my desk is lonely
[16-Nov-2009 11:07:21] <ErikRose> hehe
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:08] <rmatte> man, our front line guys are going to hate me once my ticket create daemon is deployed to production. they aren't seeing half the tickets they should right now
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:20] <ErikRose> Which system are you creating tickets in?
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:24] <rmatte> otrs
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:24] <aclark> ErikRose: http://www.zenoss.com/news/events/?eventID=59761667
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:33] <ErikRose> If it was Trac, I would have jumped up. :-)
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:35] <rmatte> I wrote a zenoss daemon called zenticket, wrapped it up in a ZenPack
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:41] <adytum-bot> Title: Commercial Open Source Application, Systems, and Network Monitoring - Zenoss (at www.zenoss.com)
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:50] <aclark> thanks adytum-bot
[16-Nov-2009 11:08:55] <rmatte> Doing first production testing on it this afternoon
[16-Nov-2009 11:09:02] <ErikRose> I totally should have driven down for that.
[16-Nov-2009 11:09:40] <aclark> ErikRose: Yeah I should have pinged you didn't think of it. I signed up a while back and Mark Hinkle sent conf like a couple days before
[16-Nov-2009 11:10:05] <ErikRose> I follow zenoss, but the tweet probably got buried in my post-honeymoon landslide.
[16-Nov-2009 11:10:11] <aclark> ErikRose: (of course I spent most of the day writing an overdue book chapter ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 11:10:14] <aclark> right
[16-Nov-2009 11:10:31] <ErikRose> How's the book coming, btw? I'll finish the 2nd drafts for mine on 11/25. :-D
[16-Nov-2009 11:10:38] <ErikRose> And then I'm going to play videogames ALL DAY.
[16-Nov-2009 11:10:46] <rmatte> woot, videogames!
[16-Nov-2009 11:10:53] <rmatte> what games are you playing lately?
[16-Nov-2009 11:11:24] <ErikRose> I'm forced to be casual, since I have no time, so I've been sticking to console: Zelda Wind Waker, Rock Bank, etc.
[16-Nov-2009 11:11:28] <ErikRose> Band, even
[16-Nov-2009 11:11:31] <rmatte> ah cool
[16-Nov-2009 11:11:41] <rmatte> yeh, I only play console, I have a ps3 and a wii
[16-Nov-2009 11:11:46] <aclark> ErikRose: Ehhh, still going ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 11:11:46] <rmatte> been playing modern warfare 2 a lot
[16-Nov-2009 11:11:57] <ErikRose> I mean to get the new Paper Mario; the first one was the best game I've ever played, outside Riven.
[16-Nov-2009 11:12:19] <rmatte> yeh, paper mario was fun, I didn't play it a lot but I played it a bit at my friend's place
[16-Nov-2009 11:12:33] <rmatte> I loved how you could switch from 2d to 3d
[16-Nov-2009 11:12:44] <ErikRose> I need to find out what else the Paper Mario company made. The writing in particular was hilarious and self-deprecating.
[16-Nov-2009 11:12:53] <rmatte> yeh
[16-Nov-2009 11:13:53] <eidolon> hi folks - i'm trying to get zenjmx to monitor a Weblogic server. under zProperties, i set the jmxmanagement port to 11113 (which i see on the command line for the appserver), but when zenoss tries to model / look at it, i see:error connecting to server:Failed to connect to service:jmx:rmi:///jndi/rmi://10.10.10.129:11111/jmxrmi
[16-Nov-2009 11:13:55] <ErikRose> "How are we breathing on the moon?" "Try not to think about it."
[16-Nov-2009 11:14:05] <rmatte> hehe
[16-Nov-2009 11:14:56] <rmatte> I played uncharted, drake's fortune at my friend's place the other day, easily one of the best games I've ever played in my life. It's like playing a movie.
[16-Nov-2009 11:15:01] <rmatte> and the voice acting is amazingly good
[16-Nov-2009 11:15:12] * ErikRose googles
[16-Nov-2009 11:15:44] <rmatte> it's only for ps3 though
[16-Nov-2009 11:15:50] <ErikRose> Aw, rats.
[16-Nov-2009 11:16:05] <rmatte> they made ample use of the graphics processing power
[16-Nov-2009 11:16:21] <ErikRose> I love when devs take advantage of the hardware.
[16-Nov-2009 11:16:27] <rmatte> but yeh, they have some great lines in it
[16-Nov-2009 11:16:41] <ErikRose> Although back in cartridge times, you never knew when they were just sticking processors in the cart.
[16-Nov-2009 11:16:44] <rmatte> drake gets locked in this prison in some country for 3 months, one of his friends finally rescues him...
[16-Nov-2009 11:16:59] <rmatte> and he's like "Oh no, no, it's not that bad! Look! I have my own bucket!..."
[16-Nov-2009 11:17:04] <ErikRose> heh!
[16-Nov-2009 11:17:14] <rmatte> "...in the last cell we had to share one between three of us!"
[16-Nov-2009 11:17:28] <rmatte> lol
[16-Nov-2009 11:17:46] <rmatte> yeh, cartridge days were fun
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:03] <rmatte> I threw my favourite genesis game on to my ps3 the other day, gunstart heroes
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:06] <rmatte> gunstar*
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:14] <eidolon> so, any help with the zenjmx stuff please?
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:16] <jrock2004> Can hardware information be added to an snmp.conf file?
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:20] <eidolon> sorry to interrupt the gamechat :)
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:26] <ErikRose> If I knew, I'd answer. :-)
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:45] <rmatte> eidolon: as a first step, can you telnet to that port from the zenoss server and get some sort of connection?
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:49] <ErikRose> jrock2004: I expect if there's a MIB for it
[16-Nov-2009 11:18:58] <rmatte> eidolon: if not, then it's obviously either the wrong port, or a firewall issue
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:01] <eidolon> yes and yes.
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:07] <rmatte> hmmm
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:17] <eidolon> the problem is the report on the event console that's pointing to the wrong port
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:20] <rmatte> I really have zero experience with that pack, so beyond that I don't know what to suggest
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:20] <jrock2004> ErikRose: Thanks
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:25] <eidolon> even though zpeopreties has the right value.
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:27] <ErikRose> np
[16-Nov-2009 11:19:47] <rmatte> jrock2004: you can reveal almost anything via netsnmp
[16-Nov-2009 11:20:13] <jrock2004> rmatte: Well I trying to find a work around for the hw model and make issue in 2.5
[16-Nov-2009 11:20:29] <rmatte> ah, so it's trying 11111 and ignoring what you set?
[16-Nov-2009 11:21:03] <rmatte> eidolon: have you tried restarting Zenoss after setting the 11113 value?
[16-Nov-2009 11:21:23] <eidolon> hmm, no, haven't. seems overkill:)
[16-Nov-2009 11:21:28] <rmatte> eidolon: not sure why you'd need to, but I've seen weirder things
[16-Nov-2009 11:21:43] <eidolon> hrm
[16-Nov-2009 11:21:47] <rmatte> eidolon: if a restart does work be sure to file a bug in trac for that
[16-Nov-2009 11:22:15] <rmatte> eidolon: if a restart doesn't work it may still be a bug, I'd imagine that most people who use the pack don't bother changing the default port, so maybe it was just never noticed
[16-Nov-2009 11:23:37] <rmatte> it might also just be a matter of pushing the change to the collector
[16-Nov-2009 11:25:11] <eidolon> restarting now
[16-Nov-2009 11:25:14] <rmatte> k
[16-Nov-2009 11:28:41] <rmatte> any change after restart?
[16-Nov-2009 11:29:08] <RoundQube> hello all
[16-Nov-2009 11:29:12] <rmatte> hey
[16-Nov-2009 11:29:25] <rmatte> afk for a few, going to grab something to eat real quick
[16-Nov-2009 11:29:56] <RoundQube> some of my linux servers under load average is showing processes 600 m (i'm assuming the m stands for million), this can't be right. Some linux servers are correctly showing the processes (1.0 - 3.0 graph currently). Did I do something wrong here?
[16-Nov-2009 11:30:10] <RoundQube> I'm using the same 'device' template for linux net-snmp, haven't used any local copies
[16-Nov-2009 11:31:44] <eidolon> not sure about status since restart.
[16-Nov-2009 11:31:46] <eidolon> sec.
[16-Nov-2009 11:32:51] <eidolon> nope, no diff... error connecting to server:Failed to connect to service:jmx:rmi:///jndi/rmi://10.10.10.129:11111/jmxrmi
[16-Nov-2009 11:33:30] <rmatte> back
[16-Nov-2009 11:34:00] <rmatte> RoundQube: 600m is smaller than 1
[16-Nov-2009 11:34:07] <rmatte> RoundQube: it's actually a millionth, not million
[16-Nov-2009 11:34:21] <rmatte> it would be like 0.6
[16-Nov-2009 11:34:34] <rmatte> it's the way that Zenoss defaults to displaying the info
[16-Nov-2009 11:34:46] <rmatte> if it's less than 1 then it scales it down to millionths
[16-Nov-2009 11:35:46] <rmatte> eidolon, sounds like a bug in the pack
[16-Nov-2009 11:35:46] <RoundQube> rmatte ahh gotcha, i want to change that to read 0.6 then. I'll figure out how to do that.
[16-Nov-2009 11:36:21] <rmatte> RoundQube: go to the template, then the graph, then the graphpoint
[16-Nov-2009 11:36:30] <rmatte> you'll see formatting like %5.2lf%s
[16-Nov-2009 11:36:34] <rmatte> remove the %s at the end
[16-Nov-2009 11:37:07] <RoundQube> thanks
[16-Nov-2009 11:37:12] <rmatte> hopefully that'll do it
[16-Nov-2009 11:37:14] <eidolon> yeah
[16-Nov-2009 11:37:26] <eidolon> is support.zenoss.com down? can't get a login page
[16-Nov-2009 11:37:54] <rmatte> not sure, I'm not an enterprise customer
[16-Nov-2009 11:38:01] <eidolon> yeah, but you can see the home page :)
[16-Nov-2009 11:38:05] <eidolon> i can't even get the page.
[16-Nov-2009 11:38:27] <rmatte> seems to be down, their demo page for the new event console is down too, which I found strange
[16-Nov-2009 11:38:31] <rmatte> I think they may have lost a server
[16-Nov-2009 11:39:27] <rmatte> call them if you can and let them know
[16-Nov-2009 11:39:56] * eidolon nods
[16-Nov-2009 11:40:40] <rmatte> though you'd hope that Zenoss Inc. would know when one of their servers goes down lol
[16-Nov-2009 11:41:40] <rmatte> oh, it's up now
[16-Nov-2009 11:42:32] <rmatte> must have been a hiccup
[16-Nov-2009 11:44:19] <Troubadix09> rmatte: when they have the event-console from zenoss 2.5 they don't know when a server is down ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 11:45:19] <rmatte> haha
[16-Nov-2009 11:45:27] <rmatte> seriously?
[16-Nov-2009 11:45:47] <rmatte> I wonder when 2.5.1 will be out
[16-Nov-2009 11:47:41] <Troubadix09> rmatte: hm.. in my case the event-console didn't refresh automatically, no matter what i select (1sec, 5sec, 10 sec ...)
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:01] <rmatte> oh?
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:07] <rmatte> it worked for me it seemed
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:14] <rmatte> IE?
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:17] <rmatte> or Firefox?
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:30] <Troubadix09> rmatte: FF 3.5.5
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:33] <rmatte> ah
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:42] <Troubadix09> no IE ... brrb
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:51] <rmatte> the new event console does still need some work for sure
[16-Nov-2009 11:48:58] <rmatte> but I'm liking how it's coming along
[16-Nov-2009 11:49:18] <RoundQube> rmatte as i assumed, there is no %s on any graph...because as i mentioned, some graphs are showing correctly and others are not
[16-Nov-2009 11:49:28] <Troubadix09> rmatte: yes, design is good, functionality needs work on it
[16-Nov-2009 11:49:52] <rmatte> RoundQube: not sure how you'd eliminate that then, I generally don't bother
[16-Nov-2009 11:50:01] <rmatte> Troubadix09: agreed
[16-Nov-2009 11:50:19] <rmatte> RoundQube: ask around, maybe post on the forums, and if you find out let me know
[16-Nov-2009 11:50:47] <RoundQube> rmatte k =)
[16-Nov-2009 11:51:15] <rmatte> but yeh, when it comes to RRD, 600m is millionth, 600M is million
[16-Nov-2009 11:51:27] <RoundQube> cool thanks
[16-Nov-2009 11:52:20] <rmatte> sweet, I can upgrade my VM box from Vista to Windows 7
[16-Nov-2009 11:52:21] <rmatte> woot
[16-Nov-2009 11:52:33] <rmatte> should increase performance drastically
[16-Nov-2009 12:05:57] <Troubadix09> rmatte: are you using the VMware-Zenpack on your 2.5 test-installation?
[16-Nov-2009 12:06:58] <rmatte> nope
[16-Nov-2009 12:07:07] <rmatte> why?
[16-Nov-2009 12:07:30] <rmatte> you'll get an error when you install it because it's an old zip zenpack, but it should still work
[16-Nov-2009 12:07:43] <rmatte> I'd recommend just staying away from the zip zenpacks if you can though for now
[16-Nov-2009 12:08:12] <Troubadix09> rmatte: no, it is a egg-Zenpack from Michael C. Hoffmann
[16-Nov-2009 12:08:16] <rmatte> oh
[16-Nov-2009 12:08:34] <Troubadix09> ZenPacks.vmware.VirtualMachines
[16-Nov-2009 12:08:38] <rmatte> oh, I see the one
[16-Nov-2009 12:09:00] <rmatte> what's your question about it?
[16-Nov-2009 12:09:04] <Troubadix09> it creates a tab under the esx-host
[16-Nov-2009 12:09:24] <Troubadix09> it shows all virtual machines with perf-graphs
[16-Nov-2009 12:09:31] <rmatte> well, it creates a tab on the actual device page of the ESX server
[16-Nov-2009 12:09:55] <rmatte> like, you'd add the ESX server as a device, and put it in to /Devices/Server/ESX
[16-Nov-2009 12:10:14] <rmatte> then go to that device page and click on the tab
[16-Nov-2009 12:10:14] <Troubadix09> yes, all right, works on 2.4.5 for me
[16-Nov-2009 12:10:36] <Troubadix09> after upgrading, the page is lost
[16-Nov-2009 12:10:53] <rmatte> have you tried just reinstalling it?
[16-Nov-2009 12:10:58] <rmatte> (the ZenPack)
[16-Nov-2009 12:11:13] <rmatte> just zenpack --install <zenpackname>
[16-Nov-2009 12:11:40] <Troubadix09> rmatte: yes, uninstall and install
[16-Nov-2009 12:11:47] <rmatte> If that doesn't work then the pack will need to be rewritten for 2.5, send a message or email to the author
[16-Nov-2009 12:12:33] <Troubadix09> it seems to be a error wich jane curry have had with 2.5 beta with her own zenpack, it seems to be a bug in zope
[16-Nov-2009 12:12:59] <rmatte> ok, then it'll need to be fixed by the author, so let him know
[16-Nov-2009 12:14:50] <rmatte> Apparently the old enterprise VMWare pack might make it's way over to core
[16-Nov-2009 12:14:55] <rmatte> not sure when though
[16-Nov-2009 12:16:10] <rocket> Hola :)
[16-Nov-2009 12:16:15] <Troubadix09> rmatte: ok. thanks, i wrote a Forums thread about that. additional i will mail the author
[16-Nov-2009 12:16:48] <rmatte> awesome
[16-Nov-2009 12:16:56] <rmatte> rocket: long time no talk, how's it going?
[16-Nov-2009 12:17:12] <rocket> its going ... busy as can be ... :p
[16-Nov-2009 12:17:19] <rmatte> yeh, I figured as much hehe
[16-Nov-2009 12:17:19] <Troubadix09> bye all
[16-Nov-2009 12:17:29] <rmatte> having fun with the Zenoss development work?
[16-Nov-2009 12:17:34] <rmatte> Troubadix09: bye
[16-Nov-2009 12:17:46] <rocket> I dont know how much fun you can have when you are coding for hpux .. :p
[16-Nov-2009 12:17:52] <rmatte> yuck
[16-Nov-2009 12:18:07] <rocket> it is the most backwards os to get simple info out of
[16-Nov-2009 12:18:23] <rmatte> so I've heard, don't have any first hand experience with it myself
[16-Nov-2009 12:18:34] <rmatte> is it worse than AIX?
[16-Nov-2009 12:19:25] <rocket> yes much worse
[16-Nov-2009 12:19:31] <rmatte> that sucks lol
[16-Nov-2009 12:20:16] <rocket> how about this to get memory info .. :p
[16-Nov-2009 12:20:19] <rocket> echo "selclass qualifier memory;info;wait;infolog" | /usr/sbin/cstm
[16-Nov-2009 12:20:33] * rmatte rubs his eyes
[16-Nov-2009 12:20:41] <rmatte> wtf were they thinking?
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:05] <rocket> basically its a tool for a support engineer to get info from the boards pretty much raw ..
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:23] <rmatte> right, so you're taking advantage of it to collect the data and use it in Zenoss
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:27] <rocket> cpu info is about the same ..
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:28] <rmatte> there's no other better way to do it?
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:34] <rocket> rmatte: I wish .. :p
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:45] <rmatte> unreal, so you're doing this all via ssh I assume?
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:50] <rocket> yes
[16-Nov-2009 12:21:53] <rmatte> cool
[16-Nov-2009 12:22:58] <rmatte> I wrote my first Zenoss daemon, though I didn't write it like it's supposed to be. But it works, controllable from the UI, logging is functional, and the config can be edited from the UI, just not via the XML method
[16-Nov-2009 12:28:18] <rocket> sweet
[16-Nov-2009 12:29:25] <rmatte> it sits and monitors the event console and creates tickets
[16-Nov-2009 12:35:55] <RoundQube> can someone confirm this for me? if I divide by 8 using RPN: "8,/" - can i multiple divide like "8,8,/,/" ?
[16-Nov-2009 13:10:40] <ErikRose> GRAH! Zenoss stack install FAIL.
[16-Nov-2009 13:10:46] <ErikRose> Error running su zenoss -c '"/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenbuild" -s localhost -u zenoss -p "zenoss" -d events -t 3307' : /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenbuild: line 16: /usr/lib/zope/bin/python: No such file or directory
[16-Nov-2009 13:11:00] <ErikRose> Look, zenoss, Debian's Zope packages use /usr/lib/zope, but there is no "python" in there. Get over it!
[16-Nov-2009 13:12:31] * ErikRose finally files a ticket.
[16-Nov-2009 13:18:51] <ErikRose> Grr. It tries accessing /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/etc/zeo.conf, but it doesn't exist for some stupid reason.
[16-Nov-2009 13:18:56] * ErikRose tries purging and reinstalling.
[16-Nov-2009 13:19:47] <ErikRose> What the hell is this? "dpkg - warning: while removing zenoss-stack, unable to remove directory `/usr/local': Device or resource busy - directory may be a mount point ?"
[16-Nov-2009 13:19:59] <ErikRose> It is very bad manners to try to delete /usr/local!!!
[16-Nov-2009 13:20:21] <ErikRose> rmatte: You were right. I'll use the stack installer, not this awful deb.
[16-Nov-2009 13:21:54] <zenethian> Just so that I can pass along the information, which deb are you trying to use, and did you give it any explicit parameters or is there anything specific about your environment that may be different from a default debian installation?
[16-Nov-2009 13:22:52] <ErikRose> zenethian: I tried "aptitude install zenoss-stack". It failed during config like so: Error running su zenoss -c '"/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenbuild" -s localhost -u zenoss -p "zenoss" -d events -t 3307' : /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenbuild: line 16: /usr/lib/zope/bin/python: No such file or directory
[16-Nov-2009 13:23:18] <ErikRose> I moved my /usr/lib/zope folder, which always seems to trip up Zenoss, and then tried "aptitude install zenoss" again.
[16-Nov-2009 13:23:38] <zenethian> ok, just checking. Unfortunately I don't know anything at all about the debian installer
[16-Nov-2009 13:23:43] <ErikRose> It threw a fit.
[16-Nov-2009 13:23:56] <ErikRose> So I figured I'd start clean. "aptitude purge zenoss" then tried to delete /usr/local.
[16-Nov-2009 13:24:18] <ErikRose> I'm happy to help out re: Debian packaging; I'm pretty comfortable with it.
[16-Nov-2009 13:32:06] <jrock2004> rmatte: do you know a good place to read up on what can be put in the snmp.conf for NET-SNMP
[16-Nov-2009 13:32:19] <aclark> ErikRose: How about packaging of a buildout-based installation :-D
[16-Nov-2009 13:32:33] <rmatte> jrock2004: man snmp.conf
[16-Nov-2009 13:32:37] <ErikRose> Yeah, if only we could add network outages to this list of errors!
[16-Nov-2009 13:32:38] <ErikRose> ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 13:33:52] <aclark> ErikRose: hah
[16-Nov-2009 13:33:57] * aclark hangs head in shame
[16-Nov-2009 13:34:21] <ErikRose> Aww, buck up, aclark. You do great work.
[16-Nov-2009 13:34:23] <ErikRose> :-)
[16-Nov-2009 13:34:49] <aclark> o:-)
[16-Nov-2009 14:00:41] <jrock2004> Has anyone done any type of monitoring of SVN servers in Zenoss
[16-Nov-2009 14:01:28] <ErikRose> If they're serving HTTP, you could use HttpMonitor.
[16-Nov-2009 14:02:10] <cgibbons> we monitor the zenoss svn repositories internally, lemme see how
[16-Nov-2009 14:02:32] <jrock2004> Cool
[16-Nov-2009 14:09:37] <ErikRose> Zenoss stack installer worked pretty smoothly, apparently.
[16-Nov-2009 14:09:43] <rmatte> it usually does
[16-Nov-2009 14:09:44] <rmatte> :)
[16-Nov-2009 14:09:51] <ErikRose> Now to test my luck with a restore. :-)
[16-Nov-2009 14:09:56] <rmatte> hehe
[16-Nov-2009 14:22:59] <rmatte> hmmm, I wonder how I can go back and delete all historical events for a particular device
[16-Nov-2009 14:25:06] <ErikRose> MySQL? :-)
[16-Nov-2009 14:25:24] <rmatte> I don't want to fool around in there though, I want something I can do via zendmd
[16-Nov-2009 14:25:30] <rmatte> I'm sure there is something
[16-Nov-2009 14:26:22] <ErikRose> Fooling around at the Python prompt strikes me as scarier than changing relational data.
[16-Nov-2009 14:26:42] <ErikRose> But maybe that's just 30 hours of Data.fs corruption from some other site talking.
[16-Nov-2009 14:27:07] <rmatte> nah, I'm pretty good with zendmd
[16-Nov-2009 14:28:46] <rmatte> I have a device with a screwed up snmp agent on it which flooded the box with events and I want to purge them all from history
[16-Nov-2009 14:29:31] <ErikRose> Whee!
[16-Nov-2009 14:38:09] <MajereDB8> hi, i had a quick question... in older zenoss builds, there were issues when installing on systems with python > 2.4... is that still the case?
[16-Nov-2009 14:40:35] <cgibbons> it still requires 2.4.4, but all of the build artifacts, including source, include their own local copy of python
[16-Nov-2009 14:41:43] <MajereDB8> so no need to unlink and link against 2.4 anymore? i recall that was the old trick with older zenoss builds
[16-Nov-2009 14:42:24] <cgibbons> predates my time; i've never had to do that since i started working with it. were you using a source build before?
[16-Nov-2009 14:42:48] <MajereDB8> yeah, i'm using the deb installer now
[16-Nov-2009 14:44:56] <MajereDB8> back then i'd build from source
[16-Nov-2009 15:00:12] <ErikRose> Holy crap, most of the daemons are working.
[16-Nov-2009 15:00:35] <ErikRose> They neglect to mention that ZENHOME is in /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss in a stack install, rather than /usr/local/zenoss.
[16-Nov-2009 15:01:26] <ErikRose> GRAGGGGHHGHGHGHHH!!! 4 hours later, and I have the same *&#$#$ JS errors!
[16-Nov-2009 15:01:58] <ErikRose> There is no curse in the tongues of men befitting this installation experience.
[16-Nov-2009 15:02:40] <dB8r> ErikRose: you get used to it after poking around
[16-Nov-2009 15:02:47] <ErikRose> Been poking around for a year now.
[16-Nov-2009 15:03:12] <ErikRose> Everything's fine now except that the Event Console won't load for love or money.
[16-Nov-2009 15:03:14] <dB8r> i'm pretty happy with zenoss for the most part, except that there's one stupid python importerror that is screwing up a feature i need
[16-Nov-2009 15:03:28] <ErikRose> JS errors all over the place in every browser
[16-Nov-2009 15:03:46] <ErikRose> Monitoring events is not so useful when you can't view any of them.
[16-Nov-2009 15:05:23] dB8r is now known as MajereDB8
[16-Nov-2009 15:15:09] <cgibbons> what build & browser are you using, Erik?
[16-Nov-2009 15:15:48] <ErikRose> 2.5.0. I usually use OmniWeb, basically identical to Safari 3, but I've been trying FIrefox 3.5.3 the past few days because it's expressly supported.
[16-Nov-2009 15:17:27] <rmatte> weird
[16-Nov-2009 15:17:33] <rmatte> I'm getting: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction
[16-Nov-2009 15:17:43] <rmatte> when trying to do dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_deleteEvents(evt.evid)
[16-Nov-2009 15:20:53] <rmatte> ah, looks like the mysql server on this one box might be a bit screwy
[16-Nov-2009 15:23:19] <rmatte> hmmm, looks like I just need to reboot this box, it's screwed
[16-Nov-2009 15:29:08] <rmatte> nice, it's preventing me from rebooting
[16-Nov-2009 15:29:12] <rmatte> fancy shmancy
[16-Nov-2009 15:29:19] <ErikRose> Ooo la la.
[16-Nov-2009 15:32:35] <ErikRose> I just wish I knew what this Event Console is *supposed* to look like. Right now, it looks like a random assortment of unlabeled controls on a grey field, with no events.
[16-Nov-2009 15:32:59] <rmatte> they aren't supposed to be "labeled" they just have images on them
[16-Nov-2009 15:33:04] <rmatte> you hover over them to see what they do
[16-Nov-2009 15:33:13] <ErikRose> Ah.
[16-Nov-2009 15:34:09] <ErikRose> I can see events some of the time now, if and only if I make the window really, really wide.
[16-Nov-2009 15:34:45] <ErikRose> But they show up 1000 pixels down the page, *behind* the buttons, and after the visual frame around the page. Then there's another 1000 pixels of empty space below.
[16-Nov-2009 15:36:43] <ErikRose> Ah, tailing the zope log reveals that the JSON decoder is freaking out: Module simplejson.decoder, line 335, in decode
[16-Nov-2009 15:36:44] <ErikRose> TypeError: expected string or buffer
[16-Nov-2009 15:37:06] <ErikRose> Which I can only attribute to client-side errors
[16-Nov-2009 15:37:08] <rmatte> eugh this sucks, the function that my daemon uses to pull events from the event console will just keep looping through trying again and again if it's not able to connect
[16-Nov-2009 15:37:14] <rmatte> I so don't want it to do that
[16-Nov-2009 15:38:13] <ErikRose> Can I use melee weapons on Zenoss?
[16-Nov-2009 15:39:11] <wildcard0> ErikRose: that's Protoss you're thinking. you definitely want to use a range weapon on zenoss
[16-Nov-2009 15:39:22] <ErikRose> Oh, you're right. Silly me.
[16-Nov-2009 15:39:32] <wildcard0> also: need more vespian gas
[16-Nov-2009 15:39:33] <wildcard0> :)
[16-Nov-2009 15:40:02] * ErikRose reaches for his +2 debugger of accuracy.
[16-Nov-2009 15:40:24] <wildcard0> do do do dooo
[16-Nov-2009 15:47:56] <jb> any report people here?
[16-Nov-2009 15:47:57] <jb> :)
[16-Nov-2009 15:48:17] <cgibbons> looks like... http://imagebin.org/71904
[16-Nov-2009 15:48:21] <cgibbons> (for erik)
[16-Nov-2009 15:48:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[16-Nov-2009 15:48:39] <jb> ugh, the reports documentation is not very good.
[16-Nov-2009 15:49:11] <rmatte> jb: depends on what you're trying to do, I have limited experience
[16-Nov-2009 15:49:46] <jb> im basically just trying to create a report with device name, CPU model, and memory size
[16-Nov-2009 15:50:41] <rmatte> you won't be able to do that from the UI, you'll have to make a custom report plugin and .rpt file
[16-Nov-2009 15:50:46] <jb> ugh
[16-Nov-2009 15:50:52] <jb> that really sucks.
[16-Nov-2009 15:51:07] <rmatte> (yes, I know it blows, hence why I'm strongly advocating that work be done on the reports system in the near future)
[16-Nov-2009 15:51:14] <rmatte> we'll see
[16-Nov-2009 15:51:15] <jb> no way i can just pull the data in the "Columns"?
[16-Nov-2009 15:51:24] <rmatte> no, the columns is very limited
[16-Nov-2009 15:51:40] <jb> some of my older reports have like "getHWSerialNumber" etc
[16-Nov-2009 15:51:44] <jb> in the "Columns"
[16-Nov-2009 15:51:55] <rmatte> yeh, that's for the serial number
[16-Nov-2009 15:52:00] <rmatte> that's not memory or CPU
[16-Nov-2009 15:52:04] <jb> are there any examples of what you are talking about?
[16-Nov-2009 15:52:07] <rmatte> serial number is a very common function
[16-Nov-2009 15:52:13] <rmatte> memory and cpu are collector plugin specific
[16-Nov-2009 15:52:28] <rmatte> look at the existing reports
[16-Nov-2009 15:52:39] <rmatte> under $ZENHOME/Products/ZenReports
[16-Nov-2009 15:53:10] <rmatte> in the reports and plugins directories
[16-Nov-2009 15:53:52] <jb> hmm
[16-Nov-2009 15:54:03] <rmatte> looks at Products/ZenReports/reports/Performance_Reports/Interface_Utilization.rpt and /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/ZenReports/plugins/interface.py for example
[16-Nov-2009 15:54:26] <rmatte> interface.py is the report plugin that gathers the data, Interface_Utilization.rpt is the file which defines how the data is displayed
[16-Nov-2009 15:54:58] <jb> wow, this would be a royal pain in the ass
[16-Nov-2009 15:56:10] <jb> ok, so how do I know what values to pull for things like memory, etc?
[16-Nov-2009 15:58:15] <jb> it would probably be quicker to do this by hand.
[16-Nov-2009 16:03:07] <ErikRose> cgibbons: Thank you so much! Now I have something to shoot for.
[16-Nov-2009 16:03:29] <ErikRose> And for the record, mine doesn't look a darn thing like that. I'm kind of relieved, actually, that the UI isn't supposed to be this bad. ;-)
[16-Nov-2009 16:04:00] <cgibbons> can you not load safari or firefox and get the same sort of display I posted?
[16-Nov-2009 16:05:37] <ErikRose> cgibbons: Heck, no. Mine looks like http://imagebin.org/71905
[16-Nov-2009 16:05:47] <adytum-bot> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)
[16-Nov-2009 16:06:05] <cgibbons> hmmm... and what artifact did you get for your install?
[16-Nov-2009 16:06:49] <ErikRose> cgibbons: This latest attempt is the Debian 32-bit stack installer. Previously, I got the same result with a source upgrade from 2.4.5.
[16-Nov-2009 16:07:09] <ErikRose> Full disclosure, I'm proxying through Apache to Zenoss. I'm passing /zport /zenui and /extjs
[16-Nov-2009 16:10:10] <aclark> ErikRose: OT: Any thoughts on proxying from Apache to Apache (from a frontend, to a php app)? I'm generally going insane trying to get this to work right
[16-Nov-2009 16:12:38] <ErikRose> What are you trying to do? It sounds straightforward enough.
[16-Nov-2009 16:41:33] <ErikRose> Hmm, bad news: removing the Apache proxying in front of Zope doesn't make the Event Console behave any better.
[16-Nov-2009 17:43:20] <rmatte> well, I'm out for the night, later guys
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[17-Nov-2009 01:45:39] <odyi> Anyone had luck with the IRCD zenpack? I can't get it to create graphs and haven't found anyone via google or the zenoss forums having the same issue.
[17-Nov-2009 02:12:31] <Troubadix09> hi all
[17-Nov-2009 05:51:22] <Troubadix09> hi all
[17-Nov-2009 08:28:52] <jrock2004> Any word on if the overwrite in 2.5 of the hardware info has been fixed?
[17-Nov-2009 08:47:46] <cgibbons> was a defect for that ever opened?
[17-Nov-2009 08:49:35] <jrock2004> I am not sure. I know mray tried it as well and found it as an issue when I brought it up
[17-Nov-2009 08:50:21] <jrock2004> Should I create one?
[17-Nov-2009 09:37:49] <bmac2> Issue I am having since updating to 2.5 from 2.4: I keep getting errors involving Cmd: /zenplugin.py and command not found
[17-Nov-2009 09:37:55] <bmac2> what did I miss in the documentation?
[17-Nov-2009 09:56:38] <bmac2> ok I am stuggling to find where to download the zenoss plugins package
[17-Nov-2009 09:56:46] <bmac2> I found that i don't have it installed
[17-Nov-2009 09:56:52] <bmac2> and can't find it to download
[17-Nov-2009 09:58:39] <rmatte> there is no "zenoss plugins" package that I'm aware of
[17-Nov-2009 09:58:46] <rmatte> the core plugins come with the base install
[17-Nov-2009 09:59:18] <bmac2> ok guess I am confused then
[17-Nov-2009 09:59:31] <bmac2> I keep seeing that i need to install zenoss plugins to the remote machines
[17-Nov-2009 09:59:38] <rmatte> no
[17-Nov-2009 09:59:47] <rmatte> you're looking at very old documentation there
[17-Nov-2009 09:59:51] <bmac2> ok
[17-Nov-2009 09:59:57] <rmatte> that is no longer required, hasn't been required since a long time ago
[17-Nov-2009 10:00:04] <rmatte> it was certainly never required in 2.4.x
[17-Nov-2009 10:00:06] <bmac2> my problem is that I keep getting the error above
[17-Nov-2009 10:00:24] <bmac2> that it can't find the zenplugin.py
[17-Nov-2009 10:00:26] <rmatte> you didn't actually paste any errors
[17-Nov-2009 10:00:31] <rmatte> you just said "errors involving blah"
[17-Nov-2009 10:00:35] <rmatte> that doesn't help to diagnose
[17-Nov-2009 10:00:53] <rmatte> and if it's a lot of lines, please use pastebin.com
[17-Nov-2009 10:01:10] <bmac2> very short
[17-Nov-2009 10:01:20] <rmatte> k, then paste it please
[17-Nov-2009 10:02:22] <bmac2> very short
[17-Nov-2009 10:02:34] <bmac2> /Perf/Interface Cmd:/zenplugin.py intf lo0 - Code:127 - Msg: Command not found
[17-Nov-2009 10:03:21] <bmac2> 5 of the same error just replace /Perf/Interface with: /Status/Filesystem /Perf/CPU Perf/Memory and /
[17-Nov-2009 10:04:50] <rmatte> hmmmm, it sounds like you have some stale ssh monitoring setup
[17-Nov-2009 10:05:32] <rmatte> Install this pack if you don't already have it: docs/DOC-3435
[17-Nov-2009 10:05:37] <rmatte> and then remodel those devices
[17-Nov-2009 10:05:38] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Linux Monitor (at community.zenoss.org)
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:08] <rmatte> unzip the pack before installing it
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:17] <bmac2> k
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:19] <bmac2> that is installed
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:24] <bmac2> but I will do that one
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:32] <bmac2> maybe the old version is there form the 2.4 install
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:39] <rmatte> what device group do you have the devices in?
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:51] <bmac2> they are freebsd machines
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:54] <rmatte> nah, the 2.4 never used zenplugin to my knowledge
[17-Nov-2009 10:06:56] <bmac2> so I have them in /server/cmd
[17-Nov-2009 10:07:04] <rmatte> Ah
[17-Nov-2009 10:07:17] <bmac2> where should I put freebsd machines?
[17-Nov-2009 10:07:17] <rmatte> hmmm, not sure about FreeBSD monitoring
[17-Nov-2009 10:07:42] <bmac2> most of it is working
[17-Nov-2009 10:07:45] <rmatte> I've never done any FreeBSD monitoring
[17-Nov-2009 10:07:47] <bmac2> got a few things to tweek
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:05] <bmac2> everyone who has says to NOT use the linux group for them
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:07] <rmatte> you're monitoring them via SNMP or SSH?
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:08] <bmac2> to put them in cmd
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:10] <bmac2> snmp
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:25] <bmac2> running zenoss on debain
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:36] <bmac2> montoring an apple Xserver with OS/X
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:39] <rmatte> hmmm, well, if they are in cmd then maybe they do need the plugins installed on them
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:44] <bmac2> a juniper firewall cluster
[17-Nov-2009 10:08:50] <rmatte> I'm not sure since I've never had to monitor a FreeBSD box
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:01] <rmatte> although cmd class is to monitor them via SSH I believe
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:23] <bmac2> I will move them to the darwin and the linux groups
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:26] <bmac2> and see if it changes
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:29] <bmac2> or works better
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:32] <rmatte> not sure why you can't just put them in the Linux class if they are snmp enabled
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:38] <rmatte> it's net-snmp, it should be all the same stuff
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:39] <bmac2> let me try
[17-Nov-2009 10:09:44] <bmac2> it should I agree
[17-Nov-2009 10:10:07] <rmatte> they might have been talking about not putting them in the /Server/SSH/Linux class, which I agree with
[17-Nov-2009 10:10:36] <rmatte> honestly, you can always just copy the /Server/Linux class to /Server/FreeBSD and then make any slight tweaks that you need
[17-Nov-2009 10:15:19] <rmatte> I'm surprised there isn't just a /Server/BSD class at this point
[17-Nov-2009 10:15:25] <bmac2> me too
[17-Nov-2009 10:15:35] <rmatte> I'm sure it wouldn't be overly difficult to do
[17-Nov-2009 10:15:43] <bmac2> and I am now trying to use the /server/ssh
[17-Nov-2009 10:15:46] <bmac2> and see if that works
[17-Nov-2009 10:15:58] <bmac2> all of my production boxes are freebsd
[17-Nov-2009 10:16:07] <bmac2> so if I figure out how to make this work
[17-Nov-2009 10:16:09] <bmac2> I will document it
[17-Nov-2009 10:16:23] <rmatte> sounds good
[17-Nov-2009 10:16:43] <rmatte> I used to use FreeBSD when I was first learning unix
[17-Nov-2009 10:16:54] <rmatte> used it for about 6 years, then switched over to Linux
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:03] <bmac2> I use both
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:08] <bmac2> linux for desktop
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:15] <bmac2> but the company I work for
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:23] <bmac2> we run all production boxes on freebsd vms
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:27] <rmatte> ah
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:36] <rmatte> so you're running Zenoss on a FreeBSD box?
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:42] <bmac2> nope
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:46] <bmac2> on a debian box
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:50] <rmatte> thank god, I was going to say...
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:51] <bmac2> as my monitoring machine
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:51] <rmatte> lol
[17-Nov-2009 10:17:58] <bmac2> I tried to install it on freebsd
[17-Nov-2009 10:18:01] <bmac2> it told me to get bent
[17-Nov-2009 10:18:15] <bmac2> no matter HOW many of the how to install it instructions I tried
[17-Nov-2009 10:18:51] <rmatte> almost everyone I've seen try a FreeBSD install comes in here with tons of issues, then when it's all finally sorted out, it'll run great for a few days then suddenly some daemon will die, then once that's figured out then eventually it's time to upgrade to a newer version and that's an entire new can of worms
[17-Nov-2009 10:19:10] * ErikRose goes worm-hunting again.
[17-Nov-2009 10:19:35] <rmatte> it's the whole building and upgrading from source that's tricky. Zenoss has a lot of components to it
[17-Nov-2009 10:19:37] <bmac2> well I am an old school debian person
[17-Nov-2009 10:19:48] <bmac2> I like debian based distros
[17-Nov-2009 10:19:55] <rmatte> we run Ubuntu servers for our Zenoss boxes and they run beautifully
[17-Nov-2009 10:19:59] <TBKDan> I have over 900 events on a particular device, is there any way I can delete all events at once through the gui in 2.4.5?
[17-Nov-2009 10:20:31] <rmatte> TBKDan: you mean selectively delete all events that belong to that one particular device?
[17-Nov-2009 10:20:39] <TBKDan> rmatte: Yes, I was just about to clarify
[17-Nov-2009 10:21:01] <rmatte> TBKDan: you basically want to move them all to history?
[17-Nov-2009 10:21:05] <TBKDan> "Select all" just selects the subset that is visible in that view of the event viewr
[17-Nov-2009 10:21:19] <TBKDan> rmatte: Yes, I don't care about them, I want them gone :P
[17-Nov-2009 10:21:21] <rmatte> TBKDan: no, select all literally selects all
[17-Nov-2009 10:21:29] <rmatte> you just don't see the rest of the events
[17-Nov-2009 10:21:31] <rmatte> but they are selected
[17-Nov-2009 10:22:01] <rmatte> I'd go to the device page, and click the events tab, so that you're only seeing events for that device
[17-Nov-2009 10:22:07] <rmatte> then select all, and move to history
[17-Nov-2009 10:22:13] <TBKDan> rmatte: Not from what I've seen... I've 'selected all" and clicked "Close selected events" and it only does the 25 that are visible
[17-Nov-2009 10:22:26] <rmatte> TBKDan: what browser are you using?
[17-Nov-2009 10:22:33] <TBKDan> rmatte: Firefox 3.5.5
[17-Nov-2009 10:22:50] <rmatte> hmmm, weird, select all works perfectly fine for me... one sec, I have an alternate solution for you...
[17-Nov-2009 10:23:17] <TBKDan> rmatte: Interesting tidbit: It does 100 at a time
[17-Nov-2009 10:23:37] <rmatte> 100 max?
[17-Nov-2009 10:23:55] <TBKDan> I just did Select all-> close and it did 100 both times
[17-Nov-2009 10:24:06] <rmatte> ah
[17-Nov-2009 10:24:06] <TBKDan> Judging by the "Displaying 1-21 of # events" in the bottom right
[17-Nov-2009 10:24:10] <TBKDan> Went from 934->834->734
[17-Nov-2009 10:24:21] <rmatte> it used to do that in the new event console too, but I think they fixed it in 2.5
[17-Nov-2009 10:24:42] <TBKDan> er, 2.5.0
[17-Nov-2009 10:24:46] <TBKDan> Is what I'm using
[17-Nov-2009 10:25:19] <rmatte> you can go in to zendmd and do: dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_deleteEvents('devicename')
[17-Nov-2009 10:25:24] <rmatte> then do: commit()
[17-Nov-2009 10:25:47] <TBKDan> So there's no way to do it in the UGI?
[17-Nov-2009 10:25:48] <TBKDan> GUI*
[17-Nov-2009 10:25:59] <rmatte> if you're limited to 100 then you're limited to 100
[17-Nov-2009 10:26:08] <rmatte> but if it's doing 100 at a time it'll only take you 9 times to clear it
[17-Nov-2009 10:26:11] <rmatte> so what's the huge deal?
[17-Nov-2009 10:26:12] <rmatte> lol
[17-Nov-2009 10:26:18] <TBKDan> Well that's interesting... I can't open zendmd :)
[17-Nov-2009 10:26:27] <rmatte> why not?
[17-Nov-2009 10:26:42] <TBKDan> ERROR ZODB.lock_file Error locking file /opt/zenoss/var/zeo1-1.zec.lock; pid=UNKNOWN
[17-Nov-2009 10:27:06] <bmac2> http://pastebin.ca/1675011 <--- rmatte new error I am seeing when I run model devices no matter what class they are in
[17-Nov-2009 10:27:13] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - zenoss error - post number 1675011 (at pastebin.ca)
[17-Nov-2009 10:27:43] <rmatte> TBKDan: stop zenoss, then delete /opt/zenoss/var/zeo1-1.zec
[17-Nov-2009 10:27:44] <bmac2> looks like I might should restart zenoss
[17-Nov-2009 10:27:47] <rmatte> then start zenoss again
[17-Nov-2009 10:28:18] <TBKDan> rmatte: Ah, there was also a zec.lock file in place as well
[17-Nov-2009 10:28:23] <rmatte> do you have the advanced detail back installed?
[17-Nov-2009 10:28:24] <TBKDan> Starting...
[17-Nov-2009 10:28:30] <rmatte> bmac2
[17-Nov-2009 10:28:39] <bmac2> yes?
[17-Nov-2009 10:28:47] <rmatte> [11:23am] <rmatte> do you have the advanced detail back installed?
[17-Nov-2009 10:28:52] <rmatte> device advanced detail
[17-Nov-2009 10:29:35] <rmatte> ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail
[17-Nov-2009 10:29:41] <rmatte> should be the name of the zenpack
[17-Nov-2009 10:29:44] <rmatte> check your zenpack list
[17-Nov-2009 10:29:44] <bmac2> let me check
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:05] <rmatte> if it's not installed then you need to search for any directory in $ZENHOME called ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail or similar and remove it
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:26] <bmac2> nope not installed
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:28] <rmatte> If it is installed I recommend reinstalling it overtop of itself
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:29] * ErikRose tries one of the virtual appliances to see if the Event Console works on those.
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:30] <rmatte> ok
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:36] <rmatte> so hunt down the directory called ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:38] <bmac2> when I do zenpack --list
[17-Nov-2009 10:30:52] <rmatte> there's some leftover directory from that pack that's causing you issues
[17-Nov-2009 10:31:44] <TBKDan> rmatte: Same error about unable to lock the file, and now zendmd is locked up... didn't exit out like it did before.
[17-Nov-2009 10:31:47] <bmac2> I am in the zenpack directory
[17-Nov-2009 10:31:52] <bmac2> and I don't see that package at all
[17-Nov-2009 10:32:25] <rmatte> TBKDan: are there any other zec files kicking around?
[17-Nov-2009 10:32:39] <TBKDan> rmatte: I did a rm *.zec and then removed the lock file
[17-Nov-2009 10:32:58] <rmatte> TBKDan: did you actually stop zenoss before doing that?
[17-Nov-2009 10:33:06] <TBKDan> rmatte: Yes
[17-Nov-2009 10:33:19] <rmatte> ok, then I have no idea what's wrong, your zope is misbehaving
[17-Nov-2009 10:33:49] <TBKDan> rmatte: Should there be a lock on Data.fs if zenoss is stopped?
[17-Nov-2009 10:34:01] <rmatte> bmac2: do an actually find in $ZENHOME
[17-Nov-2009 10:34:18] <rmatte> find $ZENHOME -name "*ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail*"
[17-Nov-2009 10:34:35] <rmatte> or as root: updatedb && locate ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail
[17-Nov-2009 10:34:58] <bmac2> find gave nothing
[17-Nov-2009 10:35:05] <bmac2> let me do the locate from root
[17-Nov-2009 10:35:09] <rmatte> TBKDan: I'm not sure, but zendmd shouldn't be complaining about a lock
[17-Nov-2009 10:35:23] <rmatte> TBKDan: I've never seen that before
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:17] <TBKDan> rmatte: Should the zeo1-1.zec.lock be created as soon as I start zenoss?
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:17] <bmac2> nope
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:20] <bmac2> no where to be found
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:23] <rmatte> bmac2: If you don't find anything then you need to install this ZenPack: docs/DOC-3452
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:26] <bmac2> I think I iwll just install that one
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:30] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Advanced Device Details (at community.zenoss.org)
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:34] <rmatte> bmac2: and then remove it afterwards if you wish
[17-Nov-2009 10:36:55] <rmatte> TBKDan: I'm not 100% sure, I don't generally pay attention to that
[17-Nov-2009 10:37:32] <rmatte> checking now...
[17-Nov-2009 10:38:52] <rmatte> I only see Z2.lock and Data.fs.lock on mine when I start Zenoss
[17-Nov-2009 10:38:58] <TBKDan> Hrm...
[17-Nov-2009 10:39:05] <rmatte> but I also never get zec files at all
[17-Nov-2009 10:39:40] <ErikRose> Woo, Zenoss virtual appliance appears to boot on Parallels, with a quick conversion trip through qemu-img.
[17-Nov-2009 10:39:51] <rmatte> possibly due to the modification to the zope config that I did: docs/DOC-2521
[17-Nov-2009 10:39:59] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - How to tweak zenoss (at community.zenoss.org)
[17-Nov-2009 10:40:05] <rmatte> ErikRose: cool
[17-Nov-2009 10:40:20] <ErikRose> Now I'll get to the bottom of my JS errors--by diff if necessary.
[17-Nov-2009 10:42:34] <rmatte> ok, I need to start working on something else (doing a mass deployment of a zenoss daemon that I wrote tonight and need to have everything prepped)
[17-Nov-2009 10:45:04] <bmac2> what is the package setuptools??? I keep getting an error now bitching about files in /usr/local/zenoss/python/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c9-py2.4
[17-Nov-2009 10:45:13] <bmac2> is that a package left over from before?
[17-Nov-2009 10:45:50] <rmatte> bmac2: how did you install/upgrade Zenoss on that box?
[17-Nov-2009 10:46:02] <rmatte> stack-installer?
[17-Nov-2009 10:46:05] <bmac2> yes
[17-Nov-2009 10:46:09] <rmatte> ok, hmmm
[17-Nov-2009 10:46:12] <bmac2> used the apt-get upgrade
[17-Nov-2009 10:46:18] <bmac2> just like the instructions said to do
[17-Nov-2009 10:46:28] <bmac2> added the apt/sources.list entry
[17-Nov-2009 10:46:38] <bmac2> then upgraded from within Debian
[17-Nov-2009 10:47:08] <rmatte> setup-tools is a tool used when installing a ZenPack
[17-Nov-2009 10:47:37] <rmatte> what's the error now?
[17-Nov-2009 10:48:15] <bmac2> let me pastebin the errors from when I started zenoss again
[17-Nov-2009 10:48:38] <RoAkSoAx> hey guys, I was wondering what's the status of zenoss in debian based systems?
[17-Nov-2009 10:48:56] <rmatte> RoAkSoAx: it works better in debian based systems than most
[17-Nov-2009 10:49:14] <rmatte> RoAkSoAx: I run 11 Ubuntu Zenoss boxes and it runs very smoothly
[17-Nov-2009 10:49:33] <RoAkSoAx> rmatte, awesome, but there are not debian packages right?
[17-Nov-2009 10:49:50] <rmatte> RoAkSoAx: there's a .deb which is just the stack installed wrapped up in a debian package
[17-Nov-2009 10:49:50] <bmac2> http://pastebin.ca/1675045 <-- rmatte
[17-Nov-2009 10:49:59] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - zenoss startup error - post number 1675045 (at pastebin.ca)
[17-Nov-2009 10:50:01] <bmac2> there is the errors when I installed the zenpack
[17-Nov-2009 10:50:03] <rmatte> RoAkSoAx: just check the download section on the site
[17-Nov-2009 10:50:08] <bmac2> and then stopped and restarted zenoss
[17-Nov-2009 10:50:23] <rmatte> checking...
[17-Nov-2009 10:50:30] <RoAkSoAx> cool I'll check
[17-Nov-2009 10:50:30] <bmac2> it is long
[17-Nov-2009 10:50:54] <bmac2> rmatte be right back while you look, refill of coffee
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:00] <rmatte> eugh
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:04] <rmatte> unzip it before installing it
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:21] <RoAkSoAx> hey npmccallum long time no talk :)
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:25] <rmatte> the new Zenoss site auto-zips the packs
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:34] <rmatte> if it's a .egg.zip it needs to be unzipped before installing
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:36] <kobalt> rmatte: he did
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:42] <rmatte> oh you did
[17-Nov-2009 10:51:52] <rmatte> hadn't gotten that far, thought it was just all errors
[17-Nov-2009 10:52:04] <npmccallum> RoAkSoAx: hehe, it has been a while :)
[17-Nov-2009 10:52:23] <RoAkSoAx> npmccallum, yeah. how's everything going with you?
[17-Nov-2009 10:52:33] <kobalt> looks like he is missing ZenPacks.community.RDBMS
[17-Nov-2009 10:53:22] <npmccallum> RoAkSoAx: good, I work at Zenoss these days, as you can tell ;)
[17-Nov-2009 10:53:28] <rmatte> ok, so now you need to install the ZenPacks.community.RDBMS zenpack
[17-Nov-2009 10:54:13] <RoAkSoAx> npmccallum, yeah! I'm at the Ubuntu Dev Summit, as you can tell... it's been fun so far... I just got the idea of getting zenoss into the Ubuntu archives for Lucid
[17-Nov-2009 10:54:27] <npmccallum> please do :)
[17-Nov-2009 10:55:43] <RoAkSoAx> npmccallum, will do my best. I'll talk to you about that soon for some guidance!! ;)
[17-Nov-2009 10:55:48] <rmatte> bmac2: Install this pack now: docs/DOC-3447
[17-Nov-2009 10:55:50] <npmccallum> gladly
[17-Nov-2009 10:55:55] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - RDBMS Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[17-Nov-2009 10:56:00] <rmatte> bmac2: and just keep installing the packs it's complaining about until it starts
[17-Nov-2009 10:56:25] <rmatte> bmac2: it's like the packs are already installed but Zenoss doesn't know it
[17-Nov-2009 10:59:15] <ke4qqq> RoAkSoAx: I understand there are active efforts inside Zenoss to get it packaged for Ubuntu/Debian - might be worth an email to see if collaboration is an option
[17-Nov-2009 11:02:14] <RoAkSoAx> ke4qqq, will definitely do :)
[17-Nov-2009 11:02:41] <ErikRose> Aha, "zport" stands for "ZentinalPortal". Clever.
[17-Nov-2009 11:02:53] <rmatte> yeh it does lol
[17-Nov-2009 11:03:49] <rmatte> ok, time for me to write daemon configs for 11 boxes, afk for a few
[17-Nov-2009 11:04:00] <ErikRose> Have fun!
[17-Nov-2009 11:06:04] <bmac2> rmatte that rdbms one fixed it
[17-Nov-2009 11:06:11] <bmac2> no more errors when I start and stop zenoss
[17-Nov-2009 11:06:16] <bmac2> you are the man
[17-Nov-2009 11:06:16] <npmccallum> RoAkSoAx, ke4qqq: definitely talk to mray (on vacation). The difficulty thus far has been us requiring python 2.4. We're hoping to have that settled (via zope 2.12) in the Zenoss 3.0 release
[17-Nov-2009 11:09:07] <RoAkSoAx> npmccallum, I do believe that old python versions will continue to be supported in our next LTS (Lucid), tnhough I do not know if we'll keep python2.4
[17-Nov-2009 11:11:22] <ErikRose> Holy seagulls, the Event Console in the virtual appliance works.
[17-Nov-2009 11:11:25] <ErikRose> Now, to diff my brains out.
[17-Nov-2009 11:14:07] <Diddi> hi! when I'm trying to monitor osprocess "sshd" I get all instances of sshd, including "sshd: diddi[priv]" and such
[17-Nov-2009 11:14:38] <Diddi> when I delete those osprocesses, they'll return later after reboot or so... how do I get rid of them (:?
[17-Nov-2009 11:15:51] <ilejn3131> Guys, hello. Does PingPerf from Developers Guide exists as zenpack?
[17-Nov-2009 11:15:56] <Diddi> for security reasons I can't monitor the service (port 22) on all computers, and such I need to check for the osprocess instead
[17-Nov-2009 11:16:51] <kobalt> ok I am getting this error when I go to 1 device and click on the os tab, from what I can tell its the iproute for vlan128 but not sure how to remove that or fix this issue .... http://pastebin.ca/1675074
[17-Nov-2009 11:16:59] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Untitled - post number 1675074 (at pastebin.ca)
[17-Nov-2009 11:25:07] <davetoo1> hi
[17-Nov-2009 11:25:16] davetoo1 is now known as davetoo
[17-Nov-2009 11:26:03] <davetoo> I can't figure out how to un-do a hack I made :)
[17-Nov-2009 11:27:47] <gwb235> does the zProperty zSnmpMonitorIgnore have to be set to "False" to receive traps from a device?
[17-Nov-2009 11:28:14] <davetoo> george?
[17-Nov-2009 11:28:17] <davetoo> (gwb) :)
[17-Nov-2009 11:28:28] <gwb235> nope, it's greg
[17-Nov-2009 11:28:28] <kobalt> no that just tells it to poll the interface every X minutes or not
[17-Nov-2009 11:28:38] <davetoo> That's a good question,
[17-Nov-2009 11:28:44] <kobalt> it will still receive traps
[17-Nov-2009 11:29:53] <davetoo> The only way it could "not" receive traps is to reach into the event system and set some kind of ignore filter for them, I would think.
[17-Nov-2009 11:30:18] <gwb235> hmmm... sending traps but not seeing them in the event log... reading what/how to test setup
[17-Nov-2009 11:38:16] <kobalt> so is there anyway to remove a interface from the OS tab from zendmd, I cant get to it from the gui its throwing a error
[17-Nov-2009 11:41:50] <kobalt> any ideas?
[17-Nov-2009 12:00:35] <rmatte> kobalt: you can't do it via ZMI?
[17-Nov-2009 12:00:48] <kobalt> ZMI?
[17-Nov-2009 12:01:22] <kobalt> you mean going to host.com:8080/manage correct
[17-Nov-2009 12:01:30] <rmatte> put /manage after the regular Zenoss URL
[17-Nov-2009 12:01:35] <rmatte> yeh
[17-Nov-2009 12:01:45] <rmatte> well, no
[17-Nov-2009 12:01:51] <rmatte> it would be :8080/zport/dmd/manage
[17-Nov-2009 12:01:55] <rmatte> then you'd have to find the device
[17-Nov-2009 12:02:10] <kobalt> Im in there Im looking for 'Vlan128' in the os and Im not finding it I see Vlan-128
[17-Nov-2009 12:02:28] <kobalt> this is the error Im getting http://pastebin.ca/1675074
[17-Nov-2009 12:02:35] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Untitled - post number 1675074 (at pastebin.ca)
[17-Nov-2009 12:02:44] <rmatte> Vlan-128 is probably the object
[17-Nov-2009 12:02:54] <rmatte> just because it's not the exact same name doesn't mean anything in ZMI
[17-Nov-2009 12:03:05] <rmatte> the labels shown in the zenoss UI aren't going to be the exact name of the object
[17-Nov-2009 12:03:26] <kobalt> ok it wont let me click onit or delete it lol
[17-Nov-2009 12:04:38] <rmatte> putting a checkmark next to it and clicking delete doesn't work?
[17-Nov-2009 12:04:52] <kobalt> nope gives an error that it does not exist
[17-Nov-2009 12:05:02] <rmatte> why don't you just remove and re-add the device?
[17-Nov-2009 12:05:17] <rmatte> just unselect the checkboxes to delete data for the device so when you put it back it'll be basically the same as it was
[17-Nov-2009 12:05:30] <rmatte> but it'll re-discover the interfaces
[17-Nov-2009 12:06:00] <kobalt> was trying to avoid that but I think I will have to
[17-Nov-2009 12:06:27] <rmatte> at this point that's all I can suggest
[17-Nov-2009 12:06:39] <rmatte> if it's not seen as being a valid zope object then there's not really anything you can do with it
[17-Nov-2009 12:07:07] <kobalt> yeah
[17-Nov-2009 12:20:36] <davetoo> I can't figure out how to un-do a hack I made to the PerformanceConf view :(
[17-Nov-2009 13:58:26] <cgibbons> hmmmm
[17-Nov-2009 14:01:05] <ErikRose> I agree.
[17-Nov-2009 14:09:26] <zenethian> Indeed.
[17-Nov-2009 14:11:52] <chemist> zeno
[17-Nov-2009 14:12:02] <chemist> oops, wrong window
[17-Nov-2009 14:13:02] <davetoo> I figured it out
[17-Nov-2009 14:13:08] <davetoo> senility
[17-Nov-2009 14:13:28] <davetoo> The hack was in the DistributedCollector zenpack, not the base PerformanceConf code
[17-Nov-2009 14:14:43] <davetoo> What I was trying to do was ... I was getting tired of waiting for so long for the device list to populate, every time I wanted to look at a collector's daemon status or performance,
[17-Nov-2009 14:15:30] <davetoo> so I wanted to make something other than the Overview tab the default view; trouble is, just changing immediate_view dind't really work.
[17-Nov-2009 14:16:30] <boingolov> running zenoss 2.5, but have had this problem since at least as far back as 2.2.4 . when I open a browser from the machine zenoss is running on and go to http://localhost:8080 , I can click on the Device List and I get a lsit of the devices. If I do this from a remote machine, http://hostname:8080/ , it works as well. However, i have an apache instance in front for ssl and when I go to https://hostname/zenoss/ it will not wo
[17-Nov-2009 14:16:30] <boingolov> rk, the page comes up blank. no errors, just no results. the rest of the zenoss interface seems to work well, but for whatever reason this page dioesn't respond well
[17-Nov-2009 14:16:35] <boingolov> any thoughts on where to look for troubleshooting?
[17-Nov-2009 14:16:40] <davetoo> Any time I tried to do *anything*, e.g. make the page display more than the default 40 devices, it popped back to the new immediate_view (in this case the daemon performance graph page),
[17-Nov-2009 14:16:49] <adytum-bot> Title: Zope (at localhost:8080)
[17-Nov-2009 14:16:52] <boingolov> I can post my mod_proxy bits
[17-Nov-2009 14:16:58] <boingolov> on pastebin if anyone is interested
[17-Nov-2009 14:17:50] <boingolov> for whatever reason, whenever the ajax call goes back to the server it returns 0 results, but only when proxied via apache
[17-Nov-2009 14:18:18] <ErikRose> boingolov: I have sort of a similar problem, in that my Event Console has lots of JS errors and shows up broken and fairly blank on my actual server, but a virtual appliance install works fine, though making the exact same HTTP requests (modulo images fetched by the failing JS).
[17-Nov-2009 14:18:30] <ErikRose> boingolov: Have you checked for JS errors?
[17-Nov-2009 14:19:11] <boingolov> I'm seeing none, but one thing I had to do was to redirect /dmd/ as well, this is not at the root of my apache
[17-Nov-2009 14:19:17] <boingolov> err, /zport/
[17-Nov-2009 14:19:26] <boingolov> so I'm redirecting /zenoss/ and /zport/
[17-Nov-2009 14:19:29] <zenethian> have you tried tracing it with a packet watcher or a Firefox plugin like Firebug to watch the requests to make sure you're forwarding them all? I'm not real versed on the device list yet, so I dunno if there's something different about it.
[17-Nov-2009 14:19:43] <boingolov> I've watched firebug, that's how I know that the json request comes back with 0 rows
[17-Nov-2009 14:20:08] <zenethian> hmm
[17-Nov-2009 14:20:18] <ErikRose> boingolov: Is /zenoss your own invention? I forward /zport, /zenui, and /extjs. (THe last 2 are new in 2.5.)
[17-Nov-2009 14:20:33] <boingolov> ErikRose, yes, since in apache my / is already in use by another process
[17-Nov-2009 14:20:40] <boingolov> oh, hey
[17-Nov-2009 14:20:47] <boingolov> okay, maybe I need to forward those as well
[17-Nov-2009 14:21:00] <boingolov> /zenoss is my :8080/
[17-Nov-2009 14:21:10] <boingolov> brb, gonna attempt that
[17-Nov-2009 14:21:21] <ErikRose> Ah. I just send those 3 places to 8080.
[17-Nov-2009 14:22:02] <kobalt> anyone know if there is a way to change the time when zenoss drops event from the history database I know I can set a date but I would like it to do it at night when there is less use
[17-Nov-2009 14:22:44] <rmatte> kobalt: nope
[17-Nov-2009 14:22:52] <rmatte> there's no way to set a schedule for that
[17-Nov-2009 14:23:10] <boingolov> well, that got my event console back, but still no love on the device list
[17-Nov-2009 14:23:12] <chemist> anybody here using the HPMon zenpack?
[17-Nov-2009 14:23:24] <kobalt> rmatte: bleh, I have a lot of events thus is why I want to prune after 14 days hehe
[17-Nov-2009 14:24:11] <kobalt> might have to create a cronjob to do it
[17-Nov-2009 14:24:19] <bigegor> chemist: yes
[17-Nov-2009 14:25:14] <chemist> bigegor: I have installed the zenpack (and adv. details) restarted zenoss, added the collector plugins, remodelled
[17-Nov-2009 14:25:17] <chemist> but no dice
[17-Nov-2009 14:26:10] <chemist> I'm 2.5.0 btw
[17-Nov-2009 14:27:08] <bigegor> chemist: have you seen some errors by modeling?
[17-Nov-2009 14:27:17] <chemist> bigegor: no
[17-Nov-2009 14:29:07] <ErikRose> boingolov: I wish my Event Console would work. How did you install 2.5?
[17-Nov-2009 14:30:19] <chemist> bigegor: http://pastebin.ca/1675305
[17-Nov-2009 14:30:26] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Stuff - post number 1675305 (at pastebin.ca)
[17-Nov-2009 14:31:53] <ErikRose> All I can think of is that the JS fail for some odd reason, only on my production host.
[17-Nov-2009 14:33:50] <boingolov> ErikRose, this was an upgrade from 2.4.5
[17-Nov-2009 14:34:28] <boingolov> used the stack installer
[17-Nov-2009 14:34:57] <ErikRose> Me too. I upgraded from 2.3.3, by way of 2.4.5.
[17-Nov-2009 14:35:44] <ErikRose> Mine was an upgrade from a source install originally. Then I ran into my current problem and tried a stack install from scratch. Only took 4 hours to stomp all the bugs, and I still have the same problem.
[17-Nov-2009 14:37:06] <boingolov> ErikRose, heh, actually I went 2.2.4 -> 2.3.3 -> 2.4.5 -> 2.5
[17-Nov-2009 14:37:35] <boingolov> and yeah, I'm basically exactly where I started from, except I had those additional issues with the /zenui and /extjs
[17-Nov-2009 14:39:37] <boingolov> where would I find the zope access logs?
[17-Nov-2009 14:40:06] <boingolov> Z2.log ?
[17-Nov-2009 14:42:37] <davetoo> is the web access log, it seems
[17-Nov-2009 14:42:37] <boingolov> aha!
[17-Nov-2009 14:42:47] <boingolov> getting stack traces in zenactions.log
[17-Nov-2009 14:44:12] <ErikRose> boingolov: Which ones? I had to apply a patch.
[17-Nov-2009 14:44:30] <ErikRose> boingolov: zenpatch 15583 (https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/1602#Thenupgradefrom2.4.5to2.5.0)
[17-Nov-2009 14:46:37] <ErikRose> I wonder if I could downgrade to 2.4.
[17-Nov-2009 14:56:43] <cgibbons> hurm anyone a twill guru?
[17-Nov-2009 14:57:15] <ErikRose> cgibbons: I use it from time to time.
[17-Nov-2009 15:02:57] * ErikRose finally gives up an opens a ticket.
[17-Nov-2009 15:03:01] <ErikRose> ^d
[17-Nov-2009 15:09:36] <davetoo> Why would jsonGetDeviceNames return only a tiny fraction of the devices in my system?
[17-Nov-2009 15:10:25] <boingolov> davetoo, been having trouble with that myself, but seems to only happen with me when I'm using apache proxy, and when it fails it gives me 0 records
[17-Nov-2009 15:10:38] <boingolov> do you get the same error when you do http://localhost:8080/ ?
[17-Nov-2009 15:10:39] <adytum-bot> Title: Zope (at localhost:8080)
[17-Nov-2009 15:10:59] * zenethian blinks
[17-Nov-2009 15:11:10] <davetoo> well, no,
[17-Nov-2009 15:11:10] <zenethian> Someone needs to teach adytum not to respond to localhost requests.
[17-Nov-2009 15:11:14] <davetoo> heh
[17-Nov-2009 15:11:28] <davetoo> boingolov: it wouldn't show up there.
[17-Nov-2009 15:12:01] <davetoo> It manifests in the Graph Report edit tab, for one place
[17-Nov-2009 15:12:10] <davetoo> also in the big Device List
[17-Nov-2009 15:12:46] <davetoo> but if I look in the real organizers the devices are there
[17-Nov-2009 15:16:46] <ErikRose> zenethian: Aww, I thought it was a cool security hole. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:17:06] * zenethian coughs
[17-Nov-2009 15:17:30] <ErikRose> Next we could ask him to call manage_pack. ;-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:21:54] <davetoo> well, now I'm hacking zope through the zmi
[17-Nov-2009 15:21:59] <davetoo> probably destroy my system
[17-Nov-2009 15:22:10] <davetoo> I'm trying to update the deviceSearch catalog manually
[17-Nov-2009 15:22:21] <boingolov> whoo hoo! fixed it
[17-Nov-2009 15:22:27] <ErikRose> How how how?
[17-Nov-2009 15:22:41] <boingolov> well, it likely won't be relevant to you, but I'll post my rewrite rules just the same
[17-Nov-2009 15:22:55] <ErikRose> I'm at the end of my rope; I welcome anything.
[17-Nov-2009 15:23:32] <boingolov> http://pastebin.com/m4354134c
[17-Nov-2009 15:23:42] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[17-Nov-2009 15:23:57] <boingolov> this basically allows me to use https://myserver.com/zenoss/ to access zenoss
[17-Nov-2009 15:24:06] <boingolov> well thank you, adytum-bot ;)
[17-Nov-2009 15:24:29] * ErikRose reads.
[17-Nov-2009 15:24:46] <boingolov> I don't know if the ss part is necessary
[17-Nov-2009 15:24:46] * ErikRose compares.
[17-Nov-2009 15:25:08] <ErikRose> Where'd that come from?
[17-Nov-2009 15:25:34] <boingolov> I don't remember, heh
[17-Nov-2009 15:25:34] <ErikRose> I know my problem isn't Apache, though; I ssh tunnel in and get the same behavior.
[17-Nov-2009 15:25:47] <boingolov> I came up with the bulk of that a while ago, probably culled from various zope / apache frontend tutorials
[17-Nov-2009 15:25:49] <boingolov> yeah
[17-Nov-2009 15:25:52] <boingolov> mine was apache
[17-Nov-2009 15:25:54] <boingolov> and that fixed it
[17-Nov-2009 15:26:01] <ErikRose> I'm thinking it might be something in my config or Data.fs.
[17-Nov-2009 15:26:14] <ErikRose> I'm about to try loading a zenbackup onto the Virtual Appliance to see if I break it.
[17-Nov-2009 15:26:18] <davetoo> I think I found my problem, too
[17-Nov-2009 15:26:23] <boingolov> but the bit I was screwing up was that I was using _vh_zenoss for the zport / zenui / extjs bits
[17-Nov-2009 15:26:38] <boingolov> and it really needs to only be for the /zenoss/ bits
[17-Nov-2009 15:26:46] <ErikRose> Ah, No, you want that traversed. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:27:05] <boingolov> still fairly new to vhm
[17-Nov-2009 15:27:08] * davetoo doesn't understand traversal yet
[17-Nov-2009 15:27:08] <boingolov> zope in general
[17-Nov-2009 15:27:26] <ErikRose> A quick VHM guide I wrote, in case you ever need it: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/wiki/VirtualHostMonster
[17-Nov-2009 15:27:45] <davetoo> My problem seems to be related to changing the productionstate dictionary
[17-Nov-2009 15:28:05] <boingolov> have done a lot of grizzly things over the year with mod_rewrite and mod_proxy though, heh
[17-Nov-2009 15:28:32] <boingolov> but yeah, not sure if the ss is useful or not, saw it in a log, figured what the hey
[17-Nov-2009 15:28:33] <ErikRose> I spend most of my days in Plone, which is all about the grizzly RewriteRules. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:29:15] <davetoo> can either of you give me two minutes on zope permissionss? Wat means "Access transient Objects"?
[17-Nov-2009 15:29:45] <ErikRose> Where are you seeing that?
[17-Nov-2009 15:29:45] <davetoo> I"m trying to update the deviceSearch catalog by finding all of the Device objects
[17-Nov-2009 15:29:51] <davetoo> heh
[17-Nov-2009 15:30:06] <davetoo> ZCatalog at  /zport/dmd/Devices/deviceSearch
[17-Nov-2009 15:30:08] <davetoo> in the bowels
[17-Nov-2009 15:31:00] <ErikRose> I think transient objects are just temp objects, like in a TemporaryStorage.
[17-Nov-2009 15:31:08] <ErikRose> You shouldn't have to mess with them.
[17-Nov-2009 15:31:20] <ErikRose> In Plone, they're almost entirely session info.
[17-Nov-2009 15:31:28] <davetoo> I had a bunch of devices with a Production State that no longer has a mapping in the dictionary, and there's some code throwing an exception when it tries to, essentially, run None.lower
[17-Nov-2009 15:31:38] <ErikRose> Charming.
[17-Nov-2009 15:31:55] <ErikRose> So you need to update all your old devices' states?
[17-Nov-2009 15:32:08] <davetoo> well I put the mapping back
[17-Nov-2009 15:32:14] <ErikRose> That works too.
[17-Nov-2009 15:32:15] <ErikRose> :-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:32:16] <davetoo> but the catalog still can't find them all
[17-Nov-2009 15:32:31] <ErikRose> Did you try reindexing?
[17-Nov-2009 15:32:52] <boingolov> I have to say, I do like the new zenoss interface
[17-Nov-2009 15:33:00] <davetoo> I ran zenfixit
[17-Nov-2009 15:33:10] <davetoo> maybe I'll just simply reindex() it again
[17-Nov-2009 15:33:29] * davetoo crosses finger
[17-Nov-2009 15:33:51] <ErikRose> If devices are actually missing from the catalog, you might have to hit Clear and Rebuild. I'd back up first, though.
[17-Nov-2009 15:33:53] <boingolov> also, re device list, you might want to try setting production state
[17-Nov-2009 15:34:29] <davetoo> but I can't get to them to set them :)
[17-Nov-2009 15:34:40] <davetoo> The device list won't populate because the catalog bombs
[17-Nov-2009 15:34:48] <ErikRose> davetoo: Can you get to them through the ZMI?
[17-Nov-2009 15:35:10] <boingolov> oh
[17-Nov-2009 15:35:12] <ErikRose> Failing that, there's always zopectl debug or zendmd, if you're comfortable with Python.
[17-Nov-2009 15:35:14] <davetoo> The devices are there; I can get to them through any Organizer, e.g. the Devices tree,
[17-Nov-2009 15:35:24] <davetoo> ErikRose: I am
[17-Nov-2009 15:35:47] <davetoo> I found another state I'd unmapped
[17-Nov-2009 15:36:04] <ErikRose> If you can get in there and find the problem devices, maybe you can say someDevice.productionState = 'whatever' or some such thing.
[17-Nov-2009 15:36:06] <davetoo> guess I'll be more careful about that :)
[17-Nov-2009 15:36:23] <ErikRose> If they're Zope properties, that API is more of a pain. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:36:59] <davetoo> They are :)
[17-Nov-2009 15:37:05] <davetoo> keyedselection
[17-Nov-2009 15:37:16] <davetoo> but.. yes if I get desparate I'll write something with a device filter
[17-Nov-2009 15:37:23] <ErikRose> You're fine. Why are you asking me things? ;-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:37:51] <davetoo> heh, sometimes it takes that for the ideas to flow past the part of my brain that needs to see them
[17-Nov-2009 15:38:01] <ErikRose> I know how that is.
[17-Nov-2009 15:38:05] <ErikRose> <-- big fan of rubberducking
[17-Nov-2009 15:38:43] <davetoo> I did find the devfilter attribute for the organizer getDevice and getDeviceRecursive (or?) methods, which are very powerful
[17-Nov-2009 15:38:49] <davetoo> so if all else fails I'll use that
[17-Nov-2009 15:39:09] <davetoo> I wish that was exposed in the API rather than a simple regex/string match filter
[17-Nov-2009 15:39:15] <davetoo> erm, the GUI
[17-Nov-2009 15:39:24] <davetoo> maybe I'll make an Expert skin :)
[17-Nov-2009 15:39:39] <davetoo> with a "devfilter lambda" searchbox in the frame
[17-Nov-2009 15:39:48] <ErikRose> Sweet. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 15:40:09] <davetoo> arg, reindex() triggered the same exception.
[17-Nov-2009 15:41:54] * ErikRose sets about trashing his virtual appliance.
[17-Nov-2009 15:49:51] <ErikRose> Anyone know the zenoss MySQL password on the virtual appliance, offhand?
[17-Nov-2009 15:50:48] <ErikRose> nm
[17-Nov-2009 15:58:32] * ErikRose runs zenrestore and hits the dirt.
[17-Nov-2009 15:59:43] <davetoo> heh
[17-Nov-2009 16:00:04] <davetoo> well, this run of zenfixit is running for quite a bit longer, which is a good sign I guess
[17-Nov-2009 16:05:25] <ErikRose> So what's zenfixit do?
[17-Nov-2009 16:05:35] <zenethian> it fixes it.
[17-Nov-2009 16:05:43] <ErikRose> (he asks to pass the time while zenrestore hoses his v.a.)
[17-Nov-2009 16:05:43] <davetoo> hopefully :)
[17-Nov-2009 16:05:54] <zenethian> Sorry, I am worthless, I really don't know.
[17-Nov-2009 16:06:08] <ErikRose> Rah rah Parallels snapshots. That's all I have to say.
[17-Nov-2009 16:06:26] <davetoo> I don't know if it's out for Core; I got it from the Enterprise knowledge base.
[17-Nov-2009 16:06:46] <davetoo> DOes the reindixe() plus maintenance on all of the zope catalogs
[17-Nov-2009 16:06:53] <davetoo> and a bunch of other stuff :)
[17-Nov-2009 16:07:03] <davetoo> haven't really looked too closely yet.
[17-Nov-2009 16:07:36] <zenethian> Sorry, I am worthless, I really don't know.
[17-Nov-2009 16:07:36] <davetoo> w00t!
[17-Nov-2009 16:07:39] <zenethian> oops
[17-Nov-2009 16:07:42] <zenethian> stupid up key
[17-Nov-2009 16:07:53] * zenethian grumbles
[17-Nov-2009 16:08:05] <davetoo> Must have fixed it; my DeviceList went from 111 members to 753.
[17-Nov-2009 16:08:20] <ErikRose> Neato. Probably did a clear & rebuild.
[17-Nov-2009 16:08:56] <davetoo> maybe; I had to fix the production state dict before it would finish.
[17-Nov-2009 16:14:44] <ErikRose> Grr. zenrestore crashed with an i/o error.
[17-Nov-2009 16:16:47] <zenethian> Are you sure that you aren't like, using broken hardware?
[17-Nov-2009 16:17:02] <ErikRose> It's a Parallels VM....
[17-Nov-2009 16:17:08] <zenethian> Hmmm
[17-Nov-2009 16:17:32] <ErikRose> If any hardware's broken, it's got to be the server I pulled the backup off of.
[17-Nov-2009 16:17:47] <ErikRose> But that's got ECC RAM. I suppose it could still be an HD blip.
[17-Nov-2009 16:18:01] <ErikRose> But I'd expect to see things coring more often.
[17-Nov-2009 16:18:31] <zenethian> Yeah, plus I mean, I doubt the IO error would bridge across to a vm. :)
[17-Nov-2009 16:18:46] <zenethian> unless you have some spooky stuff going on
[17-Nov-2009 16:18:51] <ErikRose> Well, I could see bad data being written and then it blowing up on read, but I'd expect a different sort of error....
[17-Nov-2009 16:19:22] <zenethian> OooOOoOoo I am a ghoooost in your maaachineeee....aaaawwww craaaap... youuuu put me in a veee immmm...
[17-Nov-2009 16:19:28] <ErikRose> lol
[17-Nov-2009 16:19:33] <ErikRose> Thanks, I needed that today. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 16:19:50] <davetoo> a virtual ghost
[17-Nov-2009 16:19:56] <davetoo> how much more ephemeral can you get?
[17-Nov-2009 16:20:01] <zenethian> :-) I figure if I can't be actually helpful, I can at least make you laugh.
[17-Nov-2009 16:20:04] <ErikRose> A pretend virtual ghost?
[17-Nov-2009 16:20:15] <davetoo> a VG Template
[17-Nov-2009 16:20:23] <zenethian> So if you have virtual ghosts, do you need a host ghost too?
[17-Nov-2009 16:20:24] <davetoo> being V-motioned
[17-Nov-2009 16:20:42] <zenethian> <VirtualGhost:80>
[17-Nov-2009 16:20:43] <davetoo> in a snapshot
[17-Nov-2009 16:21:16] <ErikRose> Hmm, why the heck would repozo crash?
[17-Nov-2009 16:21:35] <ErikRose> Maybe it ran out of space on the device.
[17-Nov-2009 16:21:41] <ErikRose> I need to pack this junk.
[17-Nov-2009 16:22:11] <davetoo> For me it seems to grow right back within a day or so
[17-Nov-2009 16:22:19] <ErikRose> Well, mine's 4 GB.
[17-Nov-2009 16:22:52] <ErikRose> I think it's safe to say there's stuff in there I'm not using anymore. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 16:23:08] <davetoo> :)
[17-Nov-2009 16:24:52] <ErikRose> Anybody know how to expand an ext2 partition?
[17-Nov-2009 16:25:38] <ErikRose> Er, ext3, even
[17-Nov-2009 16:25:47] <davetoo> mkfs and cpio? :)
[17-Nov-2009 16:26:21] * ErikRose reads about resize2fs.
[17-Nov-2009 16:26:26] <ErikRose> I wonder if this v.a. uses LVM.
[17-Nov-2009 16:27:40] <ErikRose> Bah. /me packs his DB on production and takes a fresh backup.
[17-Nov-2009 16:27:42] <zenethian> expanding a partition is significantly easier than shrinking one.
[17-Nov-2009 16:28:21] <ErikRose> Makes sense
[17-Nov-2009 16:29:40] <ErikRose> Ahh, 200MB is much better. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 16:30:17] <zenethian> but my suggestion is apt-get install parted gparted
[17-Nov-2009 16:30:33] <ErikRose> I shall remember that for next time. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 16:36:00] <ErikRose> One more, this time with disk space!
[17-Nov-2009 16:36:18] <ErikRose> And tar warnings about time travel!
[17-Nov-2009 16:36:48] <ErikRose> Success!
[17-Nov-2009 16:47:59] <zenethian> I really love time travel.
[17-Nov-2009 16:50:02] <aclark> who doesn't? :-)
[17-Nov-2009 16:50:09] <ErikRose> Okay, got all the daemons up. Moment of truth...
[17-Nov-2009 16:50:37] <ErikRose> Annnnnd, the MySQL password is wrong. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 16:50:40] <ErikRose> UI draws, though.
[17-Nov-2009 16:51:14] <aclark> ErikRose: getting your 2.5 on over there?
[17-Nov-2009 16:51:19] <ErikRose> Trying!
[17-Nov-2009 16:55:03] <ErikRose> Funny, zenrestore didn't seem to put the RRD files in a place where Zope can find them.
[17-Nov-2009 16:55:29] <ErikRose> Yet here they all are, in perf/
[17-Nov-2009 16:55:41] * ErikRose checks his conf.
[17-Nov-2009 16:56:42] <ErikRose> Ah, a bunch of stuff was down due to the bad MySQL password.
[17-Nov-2009 16:58:35] <ErikRose> Shouldn't my device list go with a backup?
[17-Nov-2009 16:58:47] <ErikRose> The v.a. I did the restore onto has none of my hosts.
[17-Nov-2009 16:59:20] <ErikRose> For that matter, my reports aren't there either. This didn't work at all. :-P
[17-Nov-2009 16:59:50] <ErikRose> I'm going back to 2.4, even if I have to jettison a weekend's worth of data.
[17-Nov-2009 16:59:56] <zenethian> you sir, are having a lot of problems today.
[17-Nov-2009 17:00:02] <ErikRose> This has been an intense and unrewarding waste of 4 days.
[17-Nov-2009 17:00:25] <ErikRose> But at least I met some fun people. :-)
[17-Nov-2009 17:00:58] <aclark> ErikRose: sounds like Plone ;-)
[17-Nov-2009 17:01:06] <zenethian> I hate to ask a stupid and obvious question, but is your backup from 2.4 or 2.5?
[17-Nov-2009 17:01:11] <ErikRose> 2.5
[17-Nov-2009 17:01:19] <zenethian> ah ok
[17-Nov-2009 17:01:30] <ErikRose> aclark: Yeah, I kinda liked Zope and blamed all the usual problems on Plone, but now I think it might be inherent to the underlying system.
[17-Nov-2009 17:02:37] <ErikRose> Good night, all!
[17-Nov-2009 17:02:44] <zenethian> be well
[17-Nov-2009 17:03:21] <aclark> ErikRose: night!
[17-Nov-2009 17:03:31] <ErikRose> night!
[17-Nov-2009 18:11:07] <frustrated_zenos> I have Zenoss 2.3.2 running on an IBM Blade Server with 10gb of RAM. This blade server is multiplath attached to a SAN. This is not a distrubted collector enviroment. Zenoss is running on RHEL x86. I am having severe performance issues. This box runs the mysql db and mostlyl monitors routers and switches. The box pretty much does snmp polling, snmp traps and syslog from the routers and switches. I have about 1100 nodes
[17-Nov-2009 18:11:22] <frustrated_zenos> My problem lies in the fact that it takes forever to bring up a device. If I navigate to /network/router/cisco and choose a router it can take up to 10 minutes for the status page of the device to load. Now onnce the page loads I can bring up the os and perf tabs along with the graphs just fine. Anything I navigate strait to a nodes event tab is loads fast as well. Anything to do with the event console is fast, as well
[17-Nov-2009 18:11:37] <frustrated_zenos> I have had my unix admins and my company dba's look at the host os (RHEL) and MySQL. They have tuned each as far as they can. I think the problem lies within zope but I need some help, like bad.
[17-Nov-2009 18:11:37] <frustrated_zenos> any suggestions?
[17-Nov-2009 18:12:54] <frustrated_zenos> I know I need to upgrade but we are going through an enterprise monitoring project using zenoss. This install will utilize 3 collectors and have mysql running on a seperate box. However that is a couple of months away and I've been under the gun to find a fix for this issue.
[17-Nov-2009 18:15:11] <kobalt> frustrated_zenos: if you do a top what is your cpu id at
[17-Nov-2009 18:16:05] <frustrated_zenos> i never see cpu above 25 %
[17-Nov-2009 18:16:06] <kobalt> I actually monitor more devices, with less hardware 90% and it should be working fine
[17-Nov-2009 18:16:21] <frustrated_zenos> even while zenmodelere and zenperf are both running
[17-Nov-2009 18:16:41] <frustrated_zenos> I know, which is why I'm so confused. It should be MUCH faster.
[17-Nov-2009 18:17:29] <kobalt> from the zenoss user do a "tail -n2000 $ZENHOME/log/zenperfsnmp.log | grep -i cycle" and tell me what it says
[17-Nov-2009 18:18:12] <frustrated_zenos> I'm gonna have to drop irc to vpn in to tell ya. Anything else you might want me to snag while i'm out?
[17-Nov-2009 18:18:34] <kobalt> um let me think a sec
[17-Nov-2009 18:18:50] <kobalt> you are doing default snmp perf?
[17-Nov-2009 18:18:56] <frustrated_zenos> i'll get a top snap shot, a free -o etc
[17-Nov-2009 18:19:25] <frustrated_zenos> yes 300 cycle intervall something like 90K it finishes in time
[17-Nov-2009 18:19:47] <frustrated_zenos> i have zenmodeler, zenwin, and zeneventlog turned off
[17-Nov-2009 18:19:49] <kobalt> are you accessing the via a local interface or throught a firewall
[17-Nov-2009 18:20:33] <frustrated_zenos> non firewalled conection, i seem to recall trying via vnc on the server but I should try again to see.
[17-Nov-2009 18:20:49] <frustrated_zenos> and it was same on the local box
[17-Nov-2009 18:20:59] <kobalt> ok
[17-Nov-2009 18:21:23] <frustrated_zenos> it's like there is some kind of db lock, but if i run zope zenhub zeo with -v10 i don't see any db locks or time waits
[17-Nov-2009 18:21:33] <kobalt> the only other thing would be to see if there is a process stuck in mysql
[17-Nov-2009 18:21:54] <gwb235> response to earlier: gwb235: hmmm... sending traps but not seeing them in the event log... reading what/how to test setup
[17-Nov-2009 18:21:56] <frustrated_zenos> it was my understanding that mysql did not hold the nodes device details
[17-Nov-2009 18:22:03] <frustrated_zenos> that was zope db
[17-Nov-2009 18:22:14] <kobalt> try this mysqladmin -uUSER -pPASS processlist
[17-Nov-2009 18:22:30] <kobalt> the devices are stored in the zope db
[17-Nov-2009 18:22:41] <gwb235> restarted zentrap daemon: cornea_zentrap restart -v 10
[17-Nov-2009 18:22:54] <frustrated_zenos> also to note that when i stop and restart mysql it does not help.
[17-Nov-2009 18:22:55] <gwb235> noticed the traps were being sent from the device with 127.0.0.1 as the device
[17-Nov-2009 18:23:04] <gwb235> fixed that on the device, and everything is happy now
[17-Nov-2009 18:23:55] <gwb235> and i wrote my first event transforms to show summary information that's useful instead of just "snmpTrap InformationDevice received"
[17-Nov-2009 18:23:58] <frustrated_zenos> zeopack runs as scheduled just fine
[17-Nov-2009 18:24:10] <frustrated_zenos> heck even if i turn off zenperf it doesn't help
[17-Nov-2009 18:24:36] <frustrated_zenos> i get maybe a minute or so of responsiveness upon a zenoss restart
[17-Nov-2009 18:25:37] <kobalt> also you can try to compact the zope db from the zenoss user zeopack.py -p 8100
[17-Nov-2009 18:26:06] <frustrated_zenos> while zenoss is running is ok correct?
[17-Nov-2009 18:26:14] <kobalt> yes
[17-Nov-2009 18:27:09] <davetoo> is this a PAE kernel?
[17-Nov-2009 18:27:41] <frustrated_zenos> okay i'm gonna go gather that data and kick off the zeopack
[17-Nov-2009 18:27:44] <frustrated_zenos> bbiab
[17-Nov-2009 18:28:00] <kobalt> also grab a uname -a
[17-Nov-2009 18:28:11] <frustrated_zenos> thank you kobalt, i'm taking detailed notes of what's been done, if I don't get this fixed soon it's gonna be ugly.
[17-Nov-2009 18:28:55] <frustrated_zenos> global multi million dollar company, i still can't figure out why that they won't pony up for zenos ent if they are placing so much importance on it.
[17-Nov-2009 18:29:05] <frustrated_zenos> ugh, i've said too much anyways /rant
[17-Nov-2009 18:29:08] <kobalt> frustrated_zenos: I understand the frustrations I have about 1600 switches on mine, have a new server on the way
[17-Nov-2009 18:29:49] <frustrated_zenos> okay i'll bbiab
[17-Nov-2009 18:31:54] <davetoo> He (?) should perhaps try pasting in the url of a different tab for the first view of the device
[17-Nov-2009 18:32:01] cgibbons_ is now known as cgibbons
[17-Nov-2009 18:32:57] <davetoo> It would be interesting to have a "debug" page template that made id obvious which content came from where, or at elast which was "dynamic"
[17-Nov-2009 18:33:15] <davetoo> I've been spending a lot of time with the firefox DOM inspector tool lately
[17-Nov-2009 18:33:50] <davetoo> and then the code :) (css, page templates, model python code)(
[17-Nov-2009 18:34:52] <kobalt> sounds fun
[17-Nov-2009 18:35:22] <davetoo> was hacking the skin colors and images
[17-Nov-2009 18:35:48] <kobalt> hehe thats like number 20005 on my list of things hehe
[17-Nov-2009 18:36:09] <davetoo> well, the New Regime around work likes appearances,
[17-Nov-2009 18:36:17] <kobalt> I know how that is
[17-Nov-2009 18:36:36] <kobalt> thankfully my company likes the default
[17-Nov-2009 18:36:39] <davetoo> so for the "go-live" announcement I thought I'd change it to the company colors and such
[17-Nov-2009 18:37:13] <davetoo> thought I'm not acually allowed to put our logo in it, because I can't meet the spacing requirements
[17-Nov-2009 18:37:33] <davetoo> I don't know who we hired, but I have to fill out a request form to be able to get a .gif of the logo
[17-Nov-2009 18:37:43] <davetoo> we're being Branded :)
[17-Nov-2009 18:38:04] <kobalt> lol
[17-Nov-2009 18:38:06] <davetoo> They want Internal documents to look like external documents
[17-Nov-2009 18:38:09] <davetoo> drives me crazy
[17-Nov-2009 18:38:54] <davetoo> I don't need preppy-geeks in sweaters holding equipment, people who don't even work here, on the cover of my tech documents.
[17-Nov-2009 18:39:08] <davetoo> or flowers or penguins or all the other shit
[17-Nov-2009 18:39:09] <kobalt> I hear that
[17-Nov-2009 18:39:16] <davetoo> ")
[17-Nov-2009 20:17:30] <davetoo> oubiwan doesn't live here anymore
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[18-Nov-2009 00:07:05] <Diddi> this night we had a computer that our zenoss couldn't access anymore. which means that I got events for each process being down, each service etc.. this also generated a bunch of e-mails (one for each event)
[18-Nov-2009 00:07:20] <Diddi> is it possible to make zenoss page/mail only once? or something
[18-Nov-2009 00:07:54] <Diddi> waking up in the middle of the night because of 15 sms doesn't make me all too happy (:
[18-Nov-2009 00:46:28] <davetoo> heh
[18-Nov-2009 03:56:55] jabular_ is now known as jabular
[18-Nov-2009 04:39:49] <Troubadix09> hi all
[18-Nov-2009 06:36:26] <ilejn> Hello
[18-Nov-2009 06:37:36] <ilejn> I am reading Developer's Guide ... is it possible to obtain PingPerf described in chapter 11?
[18-Nov-2009 06:38:08] <ilejn> Or it is just an example and does not exist in nature?
[18-Nov-2009 06:39:07] <ilejn> The problem is I need a starting point for my own plugin ...
[18-Nov-2009 06:39:40] <ilejn> Any suggestions may be?
[18-Nov-2009 07:34:46] <ilejn> Hello.
[18-Nov-2009 07:35:10] <ilejn> I am trying to figure out if I need my own modeler/collector.
[18-Nov-2009 07:35:23] <ilejn> Could anyone help me please.
[18-Nov-2009 07:39:11] <ckrough> morning
[18-Nov-2009 07:42:47] <ckrough> When I look at my config cycle times, zencommand is way larger than the others. Is there a way to see what is actually using zencommand? We dont use it much.
[18-Nov-2009 08:21:34] jrock2004_ is now known as jrock2004
[18-Nov-2009 08:27:25] <aclark> morning
[18-Nov-2009 08:29:12] <Troubadix09> afternoon (in germany :)
[18-Nov-2009 08:37:03] <cgibbons> woot
[18-Nov-2009 08:40:31] <cgibbons> still there, ilejn?
[18-Nov-2009 08:43:58] <jrock2004> cgibbons: Did you ever find out about svn monitoring with Zenoss?
[18-Nov-2009 08:44:12] <cgibbons> well I forgot about it! i'll look right now :-)
[18-Nov-2009 08:46:04] <ilejn> Yep ;)
[18-Nov-2009 08:46:31] <jrock2004> thanks
[18-Nov-2009 08:47:22] <cgibbons> ilejn: i might be able to help answer the modeler/collector question you had. i'll try anyway.
[18-Nov-2009 08:47:52] <ilejn> I've found a PDF from Jane Curry "Creating Zenoss ZenPacks". Busy reading. Looks like it answers some of my questions.
[18-Nov-2009 08:48:04] <cgibbons> so it looks like we monitored the host, and the apache service we were using, jrock2004, but not svn itself.
[18-Nov-2009 08:48:26] <jrock2004> ok cool
[18-Nov-2009 08:48:28] <jrock2004> thank you
[18-Nov-2009 08:48:56] <jrock2004> I was trying to find the site on zenoss where I can submit a ticket about the hw make and model issue in 2.5
[18-Nov-2009 08:57:05] <ilejn> Anyway, my job is to create monitoring for system I developed. As 'out of the box' as possible.
[18-Nov-2009 08:57:37] <ilejn> The system itself is SNMOaware and provides a lot of data.
[18-Nov-2009 08:58:21] <ilejn> My current question is it enough to create just object.xml for these metrics, or I need something more.
[18-Nov-2009 09:18:45] <ilejn> Is there a way to include a particular device to zenpack?
[18-Nov-2009 09:44:23] <ErikRose> Hey rmatte, remember that Event Console JS mess I was sorting through yesterday?
[18-Nov-2009 09:44:38] <ErikRose> Well, I just happened to bring up the Console in Safari, and it works like a champ.
[18-Nov-2009 09:44:49] <ErikRose> Still a mess in FF. Weird!
[18-Nov-2009 09:45:40] <ErikRose> Works in OmniWeb, too, when I spoof the user agent. :-)
[18-Nov-2009 09:55:53] <rmatte> ah
[18-Nov-2009 09:55:55] <rmatte> that is weird
[18-Nov-2009 09:56:06] <rmatte> never seen anything like that
[18-Nov-2009 09:56:24] <ErikRose> I'm actually opening a ticket, now that I'm in a good mood. :-)
[18-Nov-2009 09:56:47] <rmatte> I deployed my Zenoss daemon to all our prod boxes last night, so far so good but it still has a bug in it where it can crash occasionally, I'll be patching it and updating everything next Tuesday (woot)
[18-Nov-2009 09:56:52] <rmatte> hehe
[18-Nov-2009 09:57:32] <ErikRose> Congrats!
[18-Nov-2009 09:57:51] <rmatte> thanks
[18-Nov-2009 09:57:53] <ErikRose> I can finally sit down and write my HTTPS cert expiration sniffer and a more tolerant HttpMonitor now.
[18-Nov-2009 09:58:01] <rmatte> nice
[18-Nov-2009 09:58:10] <rmatte> HttpMonitor isn't that bad I find
[18-Nov-2009 09:58:45] <ErikRose> I wasn't able to use it in practice; sometimes our sockets time out due to network gremlins or something, and it skirts around escalations in that case, throwing a Critical the first tim.
[18-Nov-2009 09:59:06] <ErikRose> It cried wolf so much that I just started ignoring its events.
[18-Nov-2009 10:01:17] <rmatte> ah
[18-Nov-2009 10:01:25] <rmatte> I haven't had any issues with it really
[18-Nov-2009 10:12:49] <rmatte> eugh, any MySQL experts here?
[18-Nov-2009 10:12:54] <rmatte> I need to apparently set thread_cache = 16
[18-Nov-2009 10:12:54] <rmatte> query_cache_size = 64M
[18-Nov-2009 10:12:54] <rmatte> innodb_buffer_pool_size = 512M
[18-Nov-2009 10:12:54] <rmatte> innodb_additional_mem_pool_size = 50M
[18-Nov-2009 10:12:54] <rmatte> innodb_flush_log_at_trx_commit = 2
[18-Nov-2009 10:12:58] <rmatte> bah
[18-Nov-2009 10:13:00] <rmatte> one sec
[18-Nov-2009 10:13:08] <rmatte> TransactionDeadlockDetectionTimeout
[18-Nov-2009 10:13:13] <rmatte> I need to set that option somewhere
[18-Nov-2009 10:13:35] <rmatte> just don't know which file to put it in, first instinct was my.cnf but it doesn't look like it would go in there
[18-Nov-2009 10:14:03] <ErikRose> config.ini, I think
[18-Nov-2009 10:14:07] <rmatte> ah
[18-Nov-2009 10:14:53] <rmatte> that doesn't appear to exist for the MySQL server that comes with Zenoss
[18-Nov-2009 10:15:03] <ErikRose> grep -r time :-)
[18-Nov-2009 10:17:34] <rmatte> guess I'll need to code something in to my daemon to have it ignore MySQL locking errors and continue
[18-Nov-2009 10:17:53] <ErikRose> Eek. What kind of locking errors?
[18-Nov-2009 10:17:57] <rmatte> I get a backtrace occasionally to: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction
[18-Nov-2009 10:18:05] <rmatte> very occasionally
[18-Nov-2009 10:18:08] <ErikRose> Can you hold the lock for not so long?
[18-Nov-2009 10:18:11] <rmatte> like once in a blue moon
[18-Nov-2009 10:18:36] <rmatte> all I'm doing is zendmd functions, I'm not actually directly working with MySQL
[18-Nov-2009 10:18:44] <ErikRose> Ah.
[18-Nov-2009 10:18:52] <ErikRose> If we were using a decent DB with MVCC, we wouldn't have this problem. :-)
[18-Nov-2009 10:18:55] <rmatte> so I'm surprised that I'm even having this issue
[18-Nov-2009 10:19:20] <rmatte> the error only comes once in a blue moon too and I lost my last backtrace
[18-Nov-2009 10:19:34] <rmatte> I want to add a try except pass to my script but I don't want it to just be except: pass
[18-Nov-2009 10:19:41] <rmatte> it needs to be except <errortype>: pass
[18-Nov-2009 10:19:50] <ErikRose> Good practice.
[18-Nov-2009 10:20:01] <rmatte> so I need to script to crash so that I can determine the appropriate error type
[18-Nov-2009 10:20:06] <ErikRose> hehe
[18-Nov-2009 10:20:13] <rmatte> I have a non-daemonized version of the script running in the foreground in a screen session
[18-Nov-2009 10:20:19] <rmatte> so hopefully it'll crash at some point
[18-Nov-2009 10:20:44] <rmatte> (not a phrase that you hear often)
[18-Nov-2009 10:21:01] <ErikRose> Nothing's worse than an error that goes away on its own.
[18-Nov-2009 10:21:22] <rmatte> yeh, well it happens fairly rarely...
[18-Nov-2009 10:21:58] <rmatte> like, I had my daemon running for 9 hours yesterday and after about 9 hours it finally crashed
[18-Nov-2009 10:22:11] <ErikRose> ugh
[18-Nov-2009 10:22:29] <rmatte> I need to implement proper logging in to the daemon right now, I just have some makeshift logging implemented at the moment
[18-Nov-2009 10:22:46] <rmatte> I tried importing logging and using it but it wasn't playing nice
[18-Nov-2009 10:31:36] <skipzoid> hello all
[18-Nov-2009 10:35:08] <skipzoid> no-one here then
[18-Nov-2009 10:35:26] <rmatte> there are a few people here, we just aren't glued to the screen as it were
[18-Nov-2009 10:36:42] <rmatte> ah, I think I just found the error type
[18-Nov-2009 10:36:44] <rmatte> OperationalError
[18-Nov-2009 10:37:13] <rmatte> hmmm, could be ZenBackendFailure too
[18-Nov-2009 10:40:19] <rmatte> aha, I can do both, perfect
[18-Nov-2009 10:40:26] <ErikRose> sure
[18-Nov-2009 10:40:47] <ErikRose> And you can be even more specific if you need to be; if you need to check something and conditionally re-raise the error, just a naked "raise" will do.
[18-Nov-2009 10:40:52] <rmatte> except (OperationalError, ZenBackendFailure):
[18-Nov-2009 10:41:04] <rmatte> this should be good enough
[18-Nov-2009 10:45:59] <skipzoid> heheh - didnt want to ask a lengthly question if no-one was here to read it :) - I am receiving a trap from an HP procurve switch and in the message it is recorded as - snmp trap hpSwitch1600.2 - when I click on the details it shows I 11/18/09 10:31:20 ports: port 5 is now off-line which is actually the info I'd like to see in the message columb if possible
[18-Nov-2009 10:54:21] <ckrough> anyone know what this does for zenhub:
[18-Nov-2009 10:54:22] <ckrough> # Allow any priority job to run on any
[18-Nov-2009 10:54:22] <ckrough> # worker, default: False
[18-Nov-2009 10:54:23] <ckrough> #anyworker False
[18-Nov-2009 11:00:59] <skipzoid> i poll a server on the internet using its dynamic dns name, unfortunatly its IP changes several times a day - and so I get a lot of fault reports than its down when really all that has happened is the Ip has again changed - so I goto manage then reset IP - remove the IP that is in there leaving it blank which makes zenoss re-look it up via dns, is there way to make it do this for its self?
[18-Nov-2009 11:28:26] <rmatte> skipzoid: what exactly are you monitoring on this device?
[18-Nov-2009 11:29:10] <rmatte> skipzoid: and for your first question, you need to read up on event transforms
[18-Nov-2009 11:37:28] <paul___> Hello.
[18-Nov-2009 11:38:06] <paul___> I recently installed 2.5.0 on a new server as an upgrade from 2.2. Everything is working EXCEPT the event history.
[18-Nov-2009 11:38:54] <paul___> No matter what I do, I cant get events to display in the history. Once they are cleared from the consle they dissapear completely.
[18-Nov-2009 11:39:29] <paul___> Any ideas on where to start? i have been chcking the community site for the past few days and havent found an answer.
[18-Nov-2009 11:40:25] <rmatte> paul___: you're sure it's not an issue with what severities you've selected to view or something?
[18-Nov-2009 11:41:16] <paul___> yea, I have all the sevs checked off and all the status boxes checked as well.
[18-Nov-2009 11:41:30] <paul___> My install was via the stack .bin
[18-Nov-2009 11:41:44] <paul___> I know the events are in the history table
[18-Nov-2009 11:42:33] <paul___> I can also pull event details from the zendmd
[18-Nov-2009 11:48:18] <paul___> interestingly enough, zendmd lists the deletedTime as 5 hrs before the database
[18-Nov-2009 11:48:37] <paul___> ex: mysql record shows deletedTime as - 2009-11-18 12:45:41
[18-Nov-2009 11:48:59] <paul___> zendmd lists it as deletedTime 2009/11/18 07:45:41.000
[18-Nov-2009 11:51:48] <paul___> ok, i know what is going on now...must be a browser cache problem. I just tried with IE vs. firefox and now I have event history.
[18-Nov-2009 11:52:03] <paul___> last night it didnt work, but now it is.
[18-Nov-2009 11:56:35] <paul___> anyone see similar issues with Firefox?
[18-Nov-2009 11:57:09] <ErikRose> paul___: I have a slightly similar issue, where the Console won't draw very well in Firefox but works everywhere else. http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/5833
[18-Nov-2009 12:00:44] <paul___> where did you enable the js trapping in firefox?
[18-Nov-2009 12:01:02] <ErikRose> In firebug's panel, on the context menu on the Scripts tab.
[18-Nov-2009 12:46:08] <rmatte> firefox works fine for me with the event console
[18-Nov-2009 12:48:05] <ErikRose> Lucky you. :-)
[18-Nov-2009 12:48:36] <ErikRose> It works fine for me on the virtual appliance, too. I don't know what difference my stack install brings.
[18-Nov-2009 12:49:01] <ErikRose> Nothing obvious except that the JS fails. I haven't diffed the on-disk stuff yet because it's all moved around.
[18-Nov-2009 13:00:14] <ckrough> ok, so Im setting up zenoss to use two FusionIO drives in a RAID0, and the new bottleneck is zenhub. running it with 7 workers, but it really only makes use of two
[18-Nov-2009 13:00:20] <ckrough> any suggestions for making zenhub faster?
[18-Nov-2009 13:00:35] <ckrough> we're cpu bound at this point
[18-Nov-2009 13:22:00] <paul___> ErikRose - I just installed firebug to see if I had the same errors appear. None so far, but the event history still isnt loading the results. strange.
[18-Nov-2009 13:22:15] <paul___> rmatte - what version of Firefox are you using?
[18-Nov-2009 13:24:49] <ErikRose> paul___: For the event history, I'd first suspect that AJAX call that happens after you load the page. getUserSomethingOrOther().
[18-Nov-2009 13:25:30] <paul___> agreed. odd that it works in the event console but not the event history
[18-Nov-2009 13:25:40] <rmatte> 3.5.5
[18-Nov-2009 13:25:43] <ErikRose> That is odd.
[18-Nov-2009 13:25:55] <ErikRose> What's the response? Is it returning a valid-looking piece of JSON at least?
[18-Nov-2009 13:26:19] <ErikRose> Boy, the people in here are so clueful. THis is refreshing!
[18-Nov-2009 13:28:32] <aclark> ErikRose: Yeah!
[18-Nov-2009 13:31:04] <paul___> here is a POST: {"action":"EventConsole","method":"query","data":[{"start":0,"limit":100,"dir":"ASC","sort":"eventState","params":"{\"eventState\":[0,1,2],\"severity\":[5,4,3,2,1,0]}"}],"type":"rpc","tid":163,"asof":1258572635.175854}
[18-Nov-2009 13:31:22] <paul___> here is the response: {"action": "EventConsole", "result": {"totalCount": 0, "events": []}, "tid": 163, "type": "rpc", "method": "query", "asof": 1258572638.8504961}
[18-Nov-2009 13:31:31] <ErikRose> Huh, so it's claiming 0 results.
[18-Nov-2009 13:31:35] <paul___> yea
[18-Nov-2009 13:32:09] <ErikRose> And are all those filter criteria in "params" things you meant to limit on?
[18-Nov-2009 13:32:23] * ErikRose wonders what tid is.
[18-Nov-2009 13:32:41] <paul___> I checked all the boxes for status and sev
[18-Nov-2009 13:32:55] <ErikRose> Yeah, those look all-inclusive.
[18-Nov-2009 13:33:45] <paul___> here is a post from the event console: {"action":"EventConsole","method":"query","data":[{"start":0,"limit":100,"dir":"ASC","sort":"eventState","params":"{\"eventState\":[0,1,2],\"severity\":[5,4,3,2,1,0]}"}],"type":"rpc","tid":12,"asof":1258572801.653494}
[18-Nov-2009 13:34:21] <chemist> is there a way of extracting location data from one instance of zenoss and loading it into a fresh install?
[18-Nov-2009 13:34:47] <paul___> Looking at the two POSTs I am curious how it knows to look at the console vs. history.
[18-Nov-2009 13:35:56] <paul___> TID increments with each POST
[18-Nov-2009 13:36:08] <cgibbons> zendump -R /zport/dmd/Locations --ignore --devices --ignore instances -o mylocations.xml will get you your locations
[18-Nov-2009 13:38:12] <chemist> and to upload them?
[18-Nov-2009 13:39:28] <cgibbons> zenload -i mylocations.xml
[18-Nov-2009 13:40:36] <chemist> many thanks
[18-Nov-2009 13:40:41] <cgibbons> paul__, erik: ian is our eventconsole guru if you want to throw out some info again.
[18-Nov-2009 13:41:12] <ErikRose> Ah, hello, iancmcc!
[18-Nov-2009 13:41:21] <iancmcc> Yo.
[18-Nov-2009 13:41:44] <ErikRose> My stuff is pretty well documented on http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/5833, so I'll let paul___ drive unless you have any questions for me.
[18-Nov-2009 13:42:23] <paul___> Hi there. I am trying figure out why the event console works in Firefox, but the event history doesnt load any results. Using Eriks suggestion, I installed firebug to observe the communication to/from the server.
[18-Nov-2009 13:42:36] <iancmcc> history loads /no/ results?
[18-Nov-2009 13:42:42] <paul___> correct.
[18-Nov-2009 13:42:44] <iancmcc> Also, just assuming: browser cache cleared?
[18-Nov-2009 13:42:57] <paul___> yes.
[18-Nov-2009 13:43:12] <paul___> here is an example of the POST communication I am seeing.
[18-Nov-2009 13:43:12] <iancmcc> Only because we of course develop the thing in Firefox, so I'm fairly confident it works barring an edge case.
[18-Nov-2009 13:43:46] <paul___> ex from console: {"action":"EventConsole","method":"query","data":[{"start":0,"limit":100,"dir":"ASC","sort":"eventState","params":"{\"eventState\":[0,1,2],\"severity\":[5,4,3,2,1,0]}"}],"type":"rpc","tid":131,"asof":1258573396.554157}
[18-Nov-2009 13:43:58] <iancmcc> yep.
[18-Nov-2009 13:44:03] <paul___> with the response: {"action": "EventConsole", "result": {"totalCount": 0, "events": []}, "tid": 131, "type": "rpc", "method": "query", "asof": 1258573401.55761}
[18-Nov-2009 13:44:30] <paul___> ex from event history: {"action":"EventConsole","method":"query","data":[{"start":0,"limit":100,"dir":"ASC","sort":"severity","params":"{\"eventState\":[0,1,2],\"severity\":[5,4,3,2,1,0]}"}],"type":"rpc","tid":7,"asof":1258573455.511338}
[18-Nov-2009 13:44:44] <paul___> with the response: {"action": "EventConsole", "result": {"totalCount": 0, "events": []}, "tid": 7, "type": "rpc", "method": "query", "asof": 1258573458.275162}
[18-Nov-2009 13:45:01] <iancmcc> Right, all looks normal. This problem will likely have nothing to do with the client.
[18-Nov-2009 13:45:04] <paul___> now when I check history in IE, I get plenty of items and know they are there.
[18-Nov-2009 13:45:20] <iancmcc> Hmm.
[18-Nov-2009 13:45:29] * chemist thinks pastebin is a great tool
[18-Nov-2009 13:45:33] <paul___> between the two POSTS how does it differentiate between console and history?
[18-Nov-2009 13:45:52] <iancmcc> It does it server-side
[18-Nov-2009 13:46:47] <iancmcc> based on HTTP_REFERER and the context of the request
[18-Nov-2009 13:46:59] <paul___> i see, the url is different
[18-Nov-2009 13:47:10] <ckrough> Im setting up zenoss to use two FusionIO drives in a RAID0, and the new bottleneck is zenhub. running it with 7 workers, but it really only makes use of two
[18-Nov-2009 13:47:13] <ckrough> any suggestions for making zenhub faster?
[18-Nov-2009 13:47:17] <ckrough> we're cpu bound at this point
[18-Nov-2009 13:47:59] <paul___> i am stumped. History is loading in IE.
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:01] rhettardo_ is now known as rhettardo
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:13] <rmatte> ckrough: you mean faster even though the system is already maxed out CPU-wise?
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:19] <rmatte> ckrough: have you increased the number of workers?
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:25] <ckrough> yeah, or.. more efficient
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:33] <ckrough> its at 7 workers, but 5 of them never spool up
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:33] <iancmcc> hmm. I can't reproduce the problem myself, and there shouldn't be any difference at all between the browsers. If anything, you'd expect IE to break.
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:51] <paul___> exactly!
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:54] <rmatte> ckrough: hmmm, in my experience unless it's actually an 8 core box you only need 4 max
[18-Nov-2009 13:48:56] <ckrough> it looks like it hands single 'roles' out per worker, so you just end up with 1 of the workers at 100% cpu
[18-Nov-2009 13:49:05] <ckrough> its an 8 core box
[18-Nov-2009 13:49:05] <rmatte> ckrough: otherwise it's just wasted resources
[18-Nov-2009 13:49:07] <rmatte> ah
[18-Nov-2009 13:49:23] <rmatte> well, then you might have just literally hit the max your hardware can handle
[18-Nov-2009 13:49:51] <ckrough> theres got to be a way to distribute that load across cores
[18-Nov-2009 13:50:02] <ckrough> event with workers zenhub is still kinda single threaded
[18-Nov-2009 13:50:07] <rmatte> if you have 8 workers it should automatically do that
[18-Nov-2009 13:50:08] <ckrough> *even*
[18-Nov-2009 13:50:22] <rmatte> true, I find that 4 cores is ideal for Zenoss personally
[18-Nov-2009 13:50:52] <ckrough> it creates 8 workers, but if you watch the debug log it still goes single threaded 'roles' per worker it seems. sendEvent for one worker, getConfig for another, then leaves 5 idle
[18-Nov-2009 13:51:14] <rmatte> yeh, well, it's not exactly designed to be threaded
[18-Nov-2009 13:51:15] <ckrough> I just leave one core free for Zope to use so the gui stays responsive
[18-Nov-2009 13:51:38] <ckrough> yeah, I realize that. Kinda pushing the limits of what it can do.
[18-Nov-2009 13:51:48] <rmatte> how many devices are you monitoring?
[18-Nov-2009 13:52:07] <ckrough> 250k OIDs on this one collector. RUnning RAID0 FusionIO drives
[18-Nov-2009 13:52:13] <rmatte> that's ridiculous
[18-Nov-2009 13:52:17] <ckrough> :)
[18-Nov-2009 13:52:22] <rmatte> the most I have is like 20k on 1 collector
[18-Nov-2009 13:52:40] <ckrough> on a normal box I get around 75k
[18-Nov-2009 13:52:55] <ckrough> but Im up to 11 collectors and its time to scale differently, hence the FusionIO drives
[18-Nov-2009 13:53:34] <ckrough> Im intentionally trying to find the edge, and zenhub may be it.
[18-Nov-2009 13:54:04] <paul___> I will try to get the POST and response from IE to see what may be different.
[18-Nov-2009 13:55:22] <iancmcc> Yeah, I'm trying to break it here and failing
[18-Nov-2009 13:58:03] ckrough is now known as crow
[18-Nov-2009 13:58:08] crow is now known as ckrough
[18-Nov-2009 14:03:12] <cgibbons> ckrough, if a new request comes in it should be sent to a free worker, but it won't spread a single request across multiple workers
[18-Nov-2009 14:03:19] <paul___> I just installed fiddler2 to debug the IE calls
[18-Nov-2009 14:03:32] <paul___> the IE post looks exactly like the FF post.
[18-Nov-2009 14:03:54] <paul___> yet, in IE the response is different.
[18-Nov-2009 14:07:54] <ckrough> cgibbons: a request being something as broad as "give me all the current configs", or is it more granular?
[18-Nov-2009 14:10:27] <cgibbons> whatever remote call is being asked of zenhub is the unit of work... so if zenperfsnmp is asking zenhub for all of the devices assigned to it, that's one unit, when it calls again to ask what the tresholds defined for monitored devices, taht's a separate unit
[18-Nov-2009 14:10:46] <cgibbons> a sendEvents remote call is a unit.... which can either be really short or really huge depending upon how much data is being passed
[18-Nov-2009 14:11:09] <ckrough> cool, that lines up with what Im seeing in debug
[18-Nov-2009 14:12:04] <ckrough> so in a high performance scenario, as the device density scales up, some of those things become the new bottleneck
[18-Nov-2009 14:12:22] <ckrough> so the next thing to figure out is how to break up some of the larget units into subunits
[18-Nov-2009 14:12:33] <ckrough> maybe by running multiple zenperfs on a single collector
[18-Nov-2009 14:12:48] <paul___> Ian - I noticed that IE sends the referer in the header, while firefox doesn't appear to. do you think this may be part of the problem?
[18-Nov-2009 14:14:04] <cgibbons> a single collector daemon won't scale super high right now, so adding multiple is normal... either with distributed collector or if you've got enough oomph on the same box having multiple collectors all runnign on the same host
[18-Nov-2009 14:14:24] <rmatte> ckrough: yeh, use the parallel config option on zenperfsnmp to run multiple instances
[18-Nov-2009 14:14:27] <rmatte> ckrough: I run 2
[18-Nov-2009 14:14:30] <cgibbons> a planned future addition for the new collector framework we came out within 2.5 is to be able to schedule work in different processes just like zenhub, but...
[18-Nov-2009 14:14:35] <ckrough> thats the direciton we need to head
[18-Nov-2009 14:14:44] <ckrough> trying to reduce the number of servers per installation
[18-Nov-2009 14:16:00] <Rocinante> WARNING zen.ZenStatus: Scan cycle not complete in 120.00 seconds <-- suddenly getting these after 2.5.0 -> 2.5.1 today.
[18-Nov-2009 14:16:12] <Rocinante> (as well as heartbeat failures)
[18-Nov-2009 14:17:26] <cgibbons> rmatte: parallel is a valid config option for zenperfsnmp?
[18-Nov-2009 14:31:08] <iancmcc> member:paul___: sorry I disappeared. So, firefox isn't sending the referer? it is for me
[18-Nov-2009 14:31:34] <paul___> I think it may be globally disabled. I am trying an addon now called refcontrol
[18-Nov-2009 14:31:54] <iancmcc> Hmm, guess I'll have to find a more reliable way of doing this
[18-Nov-2009 14:34:32] <iancmcc> I didn't know one could disable that.
[18-Nov-2009 14:34:43] <rmatte> cgibbons: I think so, let me double check
[18-Nov-2009 14:34:53] <cgibbons> mine doesn't, at least :)
[18-Nov-2009 14:35:27] <rmatte> ah no, apparently not
[18-Nov-2009 14:36:15] <rmatte> it's valid for zencommand and zenstatus
[18-Nov-2009 14:36:21] <rmatte> my bad
[18-Nov-2009 14:41:09] <cgibbons> well at least it was making you feel good about it for a while :)
[18-Nov-2009 14:42:24] <paul___> Ian - yes if you enter about:config in the location bar you can alter lots of settings in FF
[18-Nov-2009 14:43:03] <iancmcc> that I knew...aha, network.http.sendRefererHeader
[18-Nov-2009 14:43:10] <paul___> my setting for network.http.sendRefererHeader was set to 1
[18-Nov-2009 14:43:19] <paul___> I just changed it to "2"
[18-Nov-2009 14:44:04] <paul___> and its working
[18-Nov-2009 14:44:20] <iancmcc> word. Well, okay, potential release note.
[18-Nov-2009 14:44:20] <paul___> what a PITA
[18-Nov-2009 14:44:49] <paul___> what is yours set at?
[18-Nov-2009 14:45:01] <iancmcc> 2
[18-Nov-2009 14:45:17] <paul___> Hey ErikRose - check your setting in FF
[18-Nov-2009 14:45:25] <iancmcc> His was a different problem.
[18-Nov-2009 14:45:38] <cgibbons> 2 is the default at least
[18-Nov-2009 14:46:28] <paul___> i dont ever recall changing my setting.
[18-Nov-2009 14:50:16] <paul___> it would probably be trivial to include something in the POST so the referer wouldnt be needed.
[18-Nov-2009 14:50:29] <iancmcc> Probably.
[18-Nov-2009 14:50:37] <iancmcc> Although I'm pretty sure FF sends it by default
[18-Nov-2009 14:50:46] <iancmcc> that is, your problem is so far unique
[18-Nov-2009 14:51:57] <paul___> thinking back and googling the feature I may have changed it a few years back for privacy concerns.
[18-Nov-2009 14:53:11] <paul___> fiddler2 and firebug are very useful!
[18-Nov-2009 14:53:26] <iancmcc> I can't remember life without firebug.
[18-Nov-2009 14:53:40] <iancmcc> I think it was colder then, and rained all the time.
[18-Nov-2009 14:54:00] <paul___> fiddler2 will proxy for both IE and FF
[18-Nov-2009 14:55:41] <paul___> thanks for the assist. hopefully this will be useful to someone else in the future.
[18-Nov-2009 14:55:53] <iancmcc> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5836
[18-Nov-2009 14:56:37] <paul___> great!
[18-Nov-2009 15:00:06] <ErikRose> iancmcc: You guys are fantastic. Thanks for helping us early adopters!
[18-Nov-2009 15:00:35] <ErikRose> Zenoss is getting pretty popular in the Plone world, since we're already used to Zope.
[18-Nov-2009 15:01:32] <iancmcc> Cool. We're having a sweet time in the trunk right now moving all the view stuff to zope 3
[18-Nov-2009 15:02:12] <ErikRose> Heh, have fun rewriting templates.
[18-Nov-2009 15:06:33] * ckrough wants a zenoss android app!
[18-Nov-2009 15:08:08] <ke4qqq> so do I
[18-Nov-2009 15:09:30] <cgibbons> <supresses canada joke again>
[18-Nov-2009 15:14:11] <rmatte> cgibbons: I have a python question for you...
[18-Nov-2009 15:14:47] <rmatte> I have a daemon that's calling on the function to move tickets to history and very occasionally (after a few hours or so), I get the following error: _mysql_exceptions.OperationalError: (1205, 'Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction')
[18-Nov-2009 15:14:55] <rmatte> now I'm trying to do a try except pass function
[18-Nov-2009 15:15:18] <rmatte> so so far I have: except (OperationalError, ZenBackendFailure):
[18-Nov-2009 15:15:36] <rmatte> will that be enough, or do I have to do like: except (mysqldb.OperationalError, ZenBackendFailure):
[18-Nov-2009 15:15:50] <rmatte> or do: except (_mysql_exceptions.OperationalError, OperationalError, ZenBackendFailure):
[18-Nov-2009 15:16:17] <cgibbons> would just depend upon how you've imported stuff into your module
[18-Nov-2009 15:16:30] <cgibbons> i.e. import _mysql_exceptions or something like that versus from _mysql_exceptions import OperationalError
[18-Nov-2009 15:16:43] <cgibbons> i'm guessing since it's underscored prefixed it might not be something you want to catch directly however
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:07] <rmatte> yeh, I need to figure out how to catch it because it's crashing my daemon which is bad
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:13] <rmatte> since I don't feel like restarting it 3 times a day
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:15] <rmatte> lol
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:27] <rmatte> I haven't actually imported any mysql stuff...
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:37] <rmatte> here's the full backtrace: http://pastebin.com/m50f78507
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:48] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:53] <rmatte> it happens very occasionally when the script does: dmd.ZenEventManager.manage_deleteEvents(evt.evid)
[18-Nov-2009 15:18:54] <jrock2004> rmatte: I will have to chat you later about MW2
[18-Nov-2009 15:19:17] <iancmcc> rmatte: i'm guessing it happens when zenactions is running
[18-Nov-2009 15:19:19] <rmatte> jrock2004: I still haven't played online yet, I'm stuck on this one part of the single player campaign where I have to defend a computer (go figure)
[18-Nov-2009 15:19:45] <jrock2004> rmatte: Yeah next time I see you on ps3 I will chat you abou it
[18-Nov-2009 15:19:48] <rmatte> iancmcc: might be, but either case, it's not crucial that it clear it that cycle, I can deal with it waiting until the next cycle before clearing it
[18-Nov-2009 15:19:53] <rmatte> jrock2004: sounds good
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:10] <iancmcc> rmatte: from MySQLdb import OperationalError
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:10] <rmatte> iancmcc: I just need to know what to do for my except line in this case
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:11] <cgibbons> you could just catch Exception by itself if you wanted
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:23] <iancmcc> rmatte: except (OperationalError, ...)
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:25] <rmatte> iancmcc: sweet, and then leave the except line the way I have it?
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:29] <iancmcc> yeah
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:32] <rmatte> awesome, ok, I'll have to add that
[18-Nov-2009 15:20:33] <rmatte> thanks
[18-Nov-2009 15:22:47] <iancmcc> rmatte: make sure you check the error
[18-Nov-2009 15:22:59] <iancmcc> so you should actually do:
[18-Nov-2009 15:23:05] <iancmcc> except ZenBackendError, e:
[18-Nov-2009 15:23:09] <iancmcc> ...
[18-Nov-2009 15:23:15] * iancmcc except OperationalError, e
[18-Nov-2009 15:23:34] <iancmcc> if e[0]==1205: pass; else: raise
[18-Nov-2009 15:23:43] <iancmcc> just to make sure you don't swallow something important
[18-Nov-2009 15:24:07] <rmatte> ah
[18-Nov-2009 15:24:53] <rmatte> ok, will do, I shall implement that right now
[18-Nov-2009 15:24:57] <rmatte> thanks :)
[18-Nov-2009 15:32:48] <bmac2> rmatte, simple question, what pulls the software installed over? version 3 of snmp??? I got it working fine on one of my 3 freebsd machines, just can't seem to find out what i got diffrent about that one
[18-Nov-2009 15:32:55] <bmac2> to make it work and the others now
[18-Nov-2009 15:32:58] <bmac2> not
[18-Nov-2009 15:34:00] <rmatte> it shouldn't even pull the list of software for FreeBSD without some sort of collector plugin to do that
[18-Nov-2009 15:34:12] <bmac2> well it is pulling on one machine
[18-Nov-2009 15:34:15] <bmac2> gives me a perfect list
[18-Nov-2009 15:34:32] <bmac2> of everything installed. And I have the same collectors on each, as far as I can tell the same on all
[18-Nov-2009 15:34:53] <bmac2> just can't figure out what I did to make that ONE work, lol. Did something right, just need to figure out what
[18-Nov-2009 15:38:59] <kobalt> anyone else notice if you go to devices then any of the sub catagories where you have a list of devices, just above the name sort link there is a select all none links, mine are not allways there
[18-Nov-2009 15:50:31] <chemist> I used this command zendump -R /zport/dmd/Locations --ignore --devices --ignore instances -o mylocations.xml
[18-Nov-2009 15:50:43] <chemist> to save my locations
[18-Nov-2009 15:51:25] <chemist> when I try to import it in to a fresh install with zenload -i mylocations.xml I get a load of errors
[18-Nov-2009 15:51:34] <chemist> is the syntax wrong?
[18-Nov-2009 15:57:53] <cgibbons> syntax looks right. what kind of errors?
[18-Nov-2009 16:07:52] <jrock2004> In the upper right where it says Zenoss server time it is showing military time. Is there a way to change that?
[18-Nov-2009 16:10:13] <rmatte> it's showing military time because it's showing system time
[18-Nov-2009 16:10:21] <rmatte> the same thing as if you'd type "date" on the box
[18-Nov-2009 16:10:51] <rmatte> I don't believe there's any way to change that (could be wrong though)
[18-Nov-2009 16:12:09] <cgibbons> modify the code real quick, line 59 of $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/ZentinalPortal.py
[18-Nov-2009 16:14:49] <jrock2004> cgibbons: is that for me?
[18-Nov-2009 16:14:58] <cgibbons> yep
[18-Nov-2009 16:15:29] <jrock2004> that file does not exist
[18-Nov-2009 16:15:45] <kobalt> its ZentinelPortal.p
[18-Nov-2009 16:15:48] <kobalt> err
[18-Nov-2009 16:15:50] <kobalt> ZentinelPortal.py
[18-Nov-2009 16:17:20] <jrock2004> ah I see there is a function called isoDateTime
[18-Nov-2009 16:18:37] <cgibbons> yep in ZenUtils/Time.py - you could add a new function to do a different format, etc. lots of ways
[18-Nov-2009 16:25:39] <jrock2004> Ok I got it to work thanks
[18-Nov-2009 16:26:39] <jrock2004> I copied the original function. renamed it and changed %H to %I
[18-Nov-2009 16:31:39] <rmatte> there we go, just deployed the new (hopefully crash free) version of my daemon to all my Zenoss boxes
[18-Nov-2009 16:31:49] <rmatte> guess I'll know whether it's actually crash free tomorrow
[18-Nov-2009 16:32:01] <rmatte> (or tonight, depending whether or not I get a phone call)
[18-Nov-2009 16:32:03] <cgibbons> i'd save that as a patch diff so you can reapply it later
[18-Nov-2009 16:32:29] <rmatte> yeh, otherwise you'll have to hand edit it each time you upgrade
[18-Nov-2009 16:39:00] <jrock2004> Well off to my Mac group meeting. See you guys later
[18-Nov-2009 16:55:48] <chemist> cgibbons: sorry was afk, these errors http://pastebin.ca/1677151
[18-Nov-2009 16:55:55] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Anonymous - post number 1677151 (at pastebin.ca)
[18-Nov-2009 17:03:13] <rmatte> chemist: what is that error from?
[18-Nov-2009 17:03:31] <chemist> I used this command zendump -R /zport/dmd/Locations --ignore --devices --ignore instances -o mylocations.xml
[18-Nov-2009 17:03:32] <rmatte> chemist: it's basically complaining that too many arguments are being passed to the function __init__()
[18-Nov-2009 17:03:43] <chemist> when I try to import it in to a fresh install with zenload -i mylocations.xml I get a load of errors
[18-Nov-2009 17:03:48] <rmatte> such as: __init__(1, 2, 3) instead of __init__(1, 2)
[18-Nov-2009 17:03:56] <rmatte> ah, hmmm
[18-Nov-2009 17:04:20] <rmatte> you're importing while zenoss is running I'm assuming?
[18-Nov-2009 17:04:33] <chemist> yes
[18-Nov-2009 17:05:04] <rmatte> odd, unless they changed some of the import code so that it's no longer compatible with older xmls, I can't see them having done that though
[18-Nov-2009 17:07:11] <chemist> well, it will have to wait till later,I'm outta here
[18-Nov-2009 18:23:21] <kobalt> is there an easy way to change the community string for a list of devices without going to each device
[18-Nov-2009 18:50:28] <kobalt> found a script for it hehe just had to modify it hehe
[18-Nov-2009 21:03:22] <davetoo> howdy
[18-Nov-2009 21:03:54] <davetoo> any zenoss TALES gurus about?
[18-Nov-2009 22:31:10] * davetoo wonders where the rrd images are cached
[18-Nov-2009 22:31:30] <davetoo> for distributed collectors
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[19-Nov-2009 06:16:15] <Rocinante> rmatte: message/42277 <-- got it :>
[19-Nov-2009 06:16:22] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - productionState in transform (at community.zenoss.org)
[19-Nov-2009 06:29:58] <Rocinante> Now I just need to find out why zenstatus isn't completing a cycle
[19-Nov-2009 07:03:32] wayland_ is now known as wayland
[19-Nov-2009 08:21:03] <zenethian> Good morning.
[19-Nov-2009 08:21:09] kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal
[19-Nov-2009 08:21:18] * zenethian hands out espresso shots
[19-Nov-2009 08:21:36] <tehhobbit> got a question how can I set per device wether they should use the ethernetCsmacd or the 64 bit one
[19-Nov-2009 08:35:13] <mdereus> zenethian: I could sure use one, the coffee from Caribou isn't doing anything yet.
[19-Nov-2009 08:43:45] <zenethian> man, I miss that place.
[19-Nov-2009 08:44:10] <mdereus> haha, only place I go
[19-Nov-2009 08:44:15] <mdereus> <-- Minnesotan :)
[19-Nov-2009 08:46:35] <zenethian> I grew up in Illinois and there was one near where I lived. Good stuff.
[19-Nov-2009 08:46:57] <zenethian> Though, there is a very awesome local coffee shop where I live now called Wake the Dead.
[19-Nov-2009 08:47:04] <mdereus> haha
[19-Nov-2009 08:47:18] <mdereus> good local shops are few and far between
[19-Nov-2009 08:47:39] <zenethian> Second best name for a store I've ever seen. The first was a beauty shop that my mom's friend owns called Mary Kay's Curl-up and Dye.
[19-Nov-2009 08:47:42] <zenethian> good stuff.
[19-Nov-2009 08:48:26] <zenethian> Yeah, I purposefully live outside of Austin in a small town because I enjoy small local businesses.
[19-Nov-2009 08:48:54] <zenethian> (plus I work for a really awesome one. *cough*)
[19-Nov-2009 08:51:48] <tehhobbit> anyone using the vmware esx zenpack
[19-Nov-2009 08:51:58] <tehhobbit> cant find where to put the modler stuff
[19-Nov-2009 08:52:41] <cgibbons> so you didn't like your trip to dripping springs, zenethian? did you guys go ride south of town through wimberly or anything?
[19-Nov-2009 08:54:09] <zenethian> I loved the trip. It was just sorta that we didn't actually have a plan to DO anything there, do we got there and were like "Umm. Neat!?" and left.
[19-Nov-2009 08:54:52] <zenethian> We took Route 12 from San Marcos through Wimberly to Dripping Springs, and then shot over to Bee Caves and came back down Brodie and took back roads to get back home. Fun trip, just not exciting.
[19-Nov-2009 08:55:47] <cgibbons> think that's the same route the livestrong ride did a few weeks ago, very scenic for the area
[19-Nov-2009 08:56:38] <zenethian> Yes, just on the edge of the hill country. Apparently there's some swimming hole up that way with a waterfall, but it was closed because they were filming a movie there!
[19-Nov-2009 08:57:52] <jrock2004> If I want to upgrade from 2.5.0 to 2.5.1, is it that done with a patch file or do I follow same process that I used when going from 2.4.5 to 2.5.0
[19-Nov-2009 08:58:06] <tehhobbit> dammit this is making me frustrated cant find _any_ install instructions for the vmware esx cmd stuff
[19-Nov-2009 08:59:04] <tehhobbit> help anyone
[19-Nov-2009 09:01:43] <rmatte> jrock2004: same process
[19-Nov-2009 09:01:51] <jrock2004> cool
[19-Nov-2009 09:02:01] <rmatte> jrock2004: upgrades are always the same process
[19-Nov-2009 09:02:11] <cgibbons> tehhobbit: what's up?
[19-Nov-2009 09:02:26] <cgibbons> issues with the ZenPacks.zenoss.VMwareESXMonitor zenpack?
[19-Nov-2009 09:02:34] <tehhobbit> cgibbons: just trying to findout howto install the vmware plugin
[19-Nov-2009 09:04:40] <rmatte> tehhobbit: which pack are you using exactly?
[19-Nov-2009 09:04:49] <tehhobbit> didnt know where to copie the python collector plugin stuff
[19-Nov-2009 09:04:58] <tehhobbit> copy
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:10] <davetoo> I need to figure out how to run a second zenhub instance, for debugging; in particular I need to see the pingtree being built to find out where it's broken. I don't know how to do that without running zenhub at -v10.
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:20] <rmatte> you don't "copy" it, the pack is supposed to create a /Servers/ESX group
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:24] <rmatte> and you just move the devices in to there
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:29] <rmatte> atfer installing the ZenPack
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:40] <rmatte> I hope you're using this pack: docs/DOC-3444
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:40] <cgibbons> don't the instructions say do not move them? :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:45] <rmatte> and not the old .zip one
[19-Nov-2009 09:05:47] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - VMware Virtual Machines (at community.zenoss.org)
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:03] <cgibbons> ahh there's another one we just released in core, too
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:29] <rmatte> hunh?
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:31] <davetoo> you guys just keep pushing the stuff I paid extra for, into the free version :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:47] <rmatte> did you guys actually finally move the old VMWare enterprise pack to core?
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:50] <davetoo> kidding of course
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:54] <tehhobbit> oooh snapp!!
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:54] <cgibbons> yeah
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:56] <rmatte> I heard it was possibly happening
[19-Nov-2009 09:06:57] <zenethian> Don't worry, we'll be giving you new things to pay for. :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:01] <cgibbons> the cool one is still in enterprise :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:06] <davetoo> eh,
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:11] <rmatte> well, the enterprise one uses the actual API
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:11] <chudler> that is one awesome zenpack, BTW. All my new efforts are based on it
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:16] <rmatte> whereas the old one uses SNMP
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:17] <davetoo> I'm fighting with reporting right now.
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:23] <rmatte> obviously using the API is much more effective
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:23] <tehhobbit> windows admins that installed esx have used space when naming the data stores
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:24] <tehhobbit> :(
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:41] <rmatte> cgibbons: I don't see it listed under core ZenPacks, or am I blind?
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:41] <davetoo> erg
[19-Nov-2009 09:07:46] <davetoo> I HATE spaces in filenames
[19-Nov-2009 09:08:05] <davetoo> I don't like them in organizer/class names either :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:08:28] <davetoo> What is the easiest, nondisruptive way to find out where my pingtree is broken?
[19-Nov-2009 09:08:38] <jrock2004> Does zenoss already have the nagios plugins somewhere? I am reading admin doc and the instructions are not very good
[19-Nov-2009 09:08:48] <davetoo> ype
[19-Nov-2009 09:08:52] <davetoo> yep
[19-Nov-2009 09:09:08] <davetoo> Pre-2.5 they were in $ZENHOME/libexec
[19-Nov-2009 09:09:20] <rmatte> davetoo: spaces can generally be handled using our little friend, the backslash :) or the quotation marks
[19-Nov-2009 09:09:22] <rmatte> :P
[19-Nov-2009 09:09:22] <davetoo> now they've moved under $ZENHOME/lib/pythonsomething
[19-Nov-2009 09:10:25] <tehhobbit> davetoo: but this leads to the script breaking
[19-Nov-2009 09:10:33] <davetoo> ?
[19-Nov-2009 09:10:34] <cgibbons> where are you looking, rmatte? (it should be in the artifact at least)
[19-Nov-2009 09:10:37] <tehhobbit> wonder if there is some clever regexp around it
[19-Nov-2009 09:10:39] <davetoo> tehhobbit: ?
[19-Nov-2009 09:11:11] <tehhobbit> davetoo: the space in the datastore names
[19-Nov-2009 09:11:13] <davetoo> I haven't looked to see how they dealt with that move; whether they changed the default search path or what
[19-Nov-2009 09:11:18] <davetoo> oh,
[19-Nov-2009 09:11:24] <davetoo> yes, preaching to the choir
[19-Nov-2009 09:11:39] <tehhobbit> the script cant see any datastores with spaces in them
[19-Nov-2009 09:12:17] <jrock2004> davetoo: do they will be in the python folder somewhere?
[19-Nov-2009 09:12:41] <rmatte> hmmm, the new 2.5.1 stack installer doesn't terminate Zenoss before updating, so it acts as though it's going to do a second installation (prompts for alternate ports to use for everything)
[19-Nov-2009 09:13:03] <rmatte> could be confusing for new users who are updating
[19-Nov-2009 09:13:12] <davetoo> jrock2004: I don't have a 2.5 install to look at right now
[19-Nov-2009 09:13:24] <jrock2004> k thanks
[19-Nov-2009 09:13:47] <rmatte> cgibbons: I was looking on the actual ZenPacks page on the community site, there's a "Zenoss Core ZenPacks" section
[19-Nov-2009 09:13:51] <rmatte> I didn't see it listed there
[19-Nov-2009 09:14:56] <davetoo> rmatte: 'doh
[19-Nov-2009 09:17:56] <davetoo> I wish... that there were an "expert" mode for Multigraphs
[19-Nov-2009 09:18:09] <davetoo> where we could enter a devfilter lambda to create collections :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:20:51] <rmatte> meh lol
[19-Nov-2009 09:21:46] * zenethian waits for the patch to be submitted
[19-Nov-2009 09:21:49] <zenethian> ;-)
[19-Nov-2009 09:22:17] <davetoo> well first I'm writing a cli tool
[19-Nov-2009 09:22:25] <davetoo> I don't know how to drive the web templates yet
[19-Nov-2009 09:22:48] <zenethian> sweet
[19-Nov-2009 09:23:36] <davetoo> chet gave me a fragment to create multigraph reports for routers and I'm starting from that nuget
[19-Nov-2009 09:23:37] <davetoo> nugget
[19-Nov-2009 09:23:42] <rmatte> still no ability to select a range of dates to view event history between in 2.5.1
[19-Nov-2009 09:23:45] * rmatte taps his foot
[19-Nov-2009 09:24:06] <davetoo> phpMyAdmin :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:24:11] <zenethian> (see above)
[19-Nov-2009 09:24:13] <zenethian> :D
[19-Nov-2009 09:24:24] <davetoo> Get Ta' Codin' :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:25:28] <davetoo> I have too darn many ideas that I want to implement. But I do seriously want to create a skin with devfilter lambda entry boxes in at least two or three places.
[19-Nov-2009 09:25:40] <mdereus> This question was presented to me recently... Is it possible to host Zenoss' database externally on a dedicated SQL server that hosts our other business databases?
[19-Nov-2009 09:25:56] <davetoo> which zenoss database?
[19-Nov-2009 09:25:59] <rmatte> the developers are just for show, the community does all of the coding for Zenoss via patches which is kept under wraps, tonight, the conspiracy revealed, on Fox news
[19-Nov-2009 09:26:00] <rmatte> :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:26:05] <davetoo> measurement data is not tabular
[19-Nov-2009 09:27:03] <rmatte> mdereus: Zenoss has 2 different databases, MySQL and Zope. MySQL is just for storing the events in. Everything else is stored in Zope
[19-Nov-2009 09:27:05] <zenethian> It could be possible, yes, if it's a mySQL database, but remember that most of the Zenoss data is not SQL storage, just events.
[19-Nov-2009 09:27:08] <rmatte> mdereus: what's your end goal?
[19-Nov-2009 09:27:33] <mdereus> I guess to store Zope externally as well.
[19-Nov-2009 09:27:45] <mdereus> But if it's not SQL and proprietary then forget it.
[19-Nov-2009 09:27:57] <rmatte> mdereus: hehe, good luck with that, it's theoretically possible but have fun
[19-Nov-2009 09:28:11] <zenethian> yeah Zope uses a propietary technology called ZODB for storage.
[19-Nov-2009 09:28:13] <mdereus> Yeah, I'll just tell them no.
[19-Nov-2009 09:28:19] <zenethian> that's the best idea. :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:28:25] <rmatte> hehe
[19-Nov-2009 09:28:47] * zenethian mumbles something about NoSQL and grins
[19-Nov-2009 09:28:56] * davetoo wants to figure out a way to siphon off raw perf daemon data for a very small subset of systems
[19-Nov-2009 09:29:02] <mdereus> The idea was to be able to query the database to write our own reports and have them available on our intranet.
[19-Nov-2009 09:29:08] <davetoo> so I can plot the actual raw values with ploticus
[19-Nov-2009 09:30:05] <davetoo> mdereus: do you understand how RRDTool data storage works?
[19-Nov-2009 09:30:11] <zenethian> mdereus: You can connect to the ZEO instance in a Python script and use it that way, if you know the object hierarchy. (insert disclaimer here)
[19-Nov-2009 09:30:18] <rmatte> mdereus: you could always technically use XML-RPC for that, or write some python scripts to call on via SSH
[19-Nov-2009 09:30:26] <rmatte> mdereus: or REST
[19-Nov-2009 09:30:45] <mdereus> haha, it's already more work than it's worth
[19-Nov-2009 09:30:50] <mdereus> to me
[19-Nov-2009 09:30:52] <zenethian> :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:31:02] <rmatte> mdereus: what sorts of scripts would you need? I have some pre-done which we're using
[19-Nov-2009 09:31:11] <rmatte> mdereus: what reports I mean
[19-Nov-2009 09:31:24] <mdereus> I don't even know, it was just a question that someone here asked me about Zenoss.
[19-Nov-2009 09:31:40] <mdereus> Since I'm the "expert". (aka I set it up)
[19-Nov-2009 09:32:07] <rmatte> I've written standalone scripts for availability (that one took forever), cpu, filesystem, interface, and memory
[19-Nov-2009 09:32:15] <rmatte> I also made an inventory report
[19-Nov-2009 09:32:22] <davetoo> rmatte: if you have a trick to insert daybreak (midnight) VRULEs dynamically, I'll send you a case of your favorite carbonated beverage :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:32:27] <rmatte> you can call on them using plain epoch time or dates
[19-Nov-2009 09:32:51] <rmatte> it would be like: ./availability.py -s 10/01/2009 -e 11/01/2009
[19-Nov-2009 09:32:59] <davetoo> I could make use of something that does the date conversion for me already ....
[19-Nov-2009 09:33:00] <rmatte> and it would dump an availability report for last month
[19-Nov-2009 09:33:20] <rmatte> davetoo: unfortunately not
[19-Nov-2009 09:34:06] <chris_d> I have Zenoss 2.3.3 running on an IBM Blade Server with 10gb of RAM. This blade server is multipath attached to a SAN. This is not a distributed collector environment. Zenoss is running on RHEL x86. I am having severe performance issues. This box runs the MySQL db and mostly monitors routers and switches. The box pretty much does snmp polling, snmp traps and syslog from the routers and switches. I have about 1100 nodes currently with only about 400 of
[19-Nov-2009 09:34:14] <chris_d> My problem lies in the fact that it takes forever to bring up a device. If I navigate to /network/router/cisco and choose a router it can take up to 10 minutes for the status page of the device to load. Now once the page loads I can bring up the os and perf tabs along with the graphs just fine. Anything I navigate strait to a nodes event tab is loads fast as well. Anything to do with the event console is fast, as well as the device list. It's just bri
[19-Nov-2009 09:34:22] <chris_d> I know I need to upgrade but we are going through an enterprise monitoring project using zenoss. This install will utilize 3 collectors and have MySQL running on a separate box. However that is a couple of months away and I've been under the gun to find a fix for this issue.
[19-Nov-2009 09:34:31] <chris_d> lol, any ideas?
[19-Nov-2009 09:34:37] * chris_d sits back and hopes for the best
[19-Nov-2009 09:35:02] <zenethian> (Someone read the How To Ask Smart Questions document)
[19-Nov-2009 09:35:48] <chris_d> i've tuned zope,mysql and the os to as much as I can
[19-Nov-2009 09:35:57] <rmatte> chris_d: the end of the first 2 things you pasted got cut off
[19-Nov-2009 09:36:17] <chudler> yeah, and that seemed to be the interesting part :-/
[19-Nov-2009 09:36:33] <davetoo> zenethian: heh I just saw that in somebody's .sig in a mail archive; maybe it was yours :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:36:42] <chris_d> what part was missed?
[19-Nov-2009 09:36:56] <zenethian> Cut off at "only about 400 of"
[19-Nov-2009 09:36:59] <chris_d> i'm keeping detailed notes and such, cause I got to find a resolution to this
[19-Nov-2009 09:37:02] <zenethian> and "It's just bri"
[19-Nov-2009 09:37:21] <chris_d> This box runs the MySQL db and mostly monitors routers and switches. The box pretty much does snmp polling, snmp traps and syslog from the routers and switches. I have about 1100 nodes currently with only about 400 of them using the Cisco template, the rest are ping only.
[19-Nov-2009 09:37:36] <chris_d> My problem lies in the fact that it takes forever to bring up a device. If I navigate to /network/router/cisco and choose a router it can take up to 10 minutes for the status page of the device to load. Now once the page loads I can bring up the os and perf tabs along with the graphs just fine
[19-Nov-2009 09:37:45] <chris_d> good so far?
[19-Nov-2009 09:38:04] <rmatte> chris_d: so you have 1100 devices on a single collector?
[19-Nov-2009 09:38:30] <davetoo> it'd better have a lot of spindles :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:38:35] <chris_d> yes but vast majority are /ping...moving to a single collector design it's just a couple months away
[19-Nov-2009 09:38:54] <davetoo> What is the disk layout?
[19-Nov-2009 09:39:03] <chris_d> . Anything I navigate strait to a nodes event tab is loads fast as well. Anything to do with the event console is fast, as well as the device list. It's just bringing up the nodes to begin with.
[19-Nov-2009 09:39:29] <chris_d> no local hd all connected via a san
[19-Nov-2009 09:39:32] <chris_d> multipath
[19-Nov-2009 09:39:34] <rmatte> chris_d: just out of curiosity, do you have the Cisco Mibs ZenPack installed?
[19-Nov-2009 09:39:40] <davetoo> hah
[19-Nov-2009 09:39:49] <chris_d> did, but I have since removed it
[19-Nov-2009 09:39:49] <davetoo> rmatte: is your zenpack a tarpit? :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:40:05] <rmatte> davetoo: only if you don't follow the instructions on the ZenPack page
[19-Nov-2009 09:40:08] <chris_d> shit hang on brb
[19-Nov-2009 09:40:38] <rmatte> davetoo: and no one ever seems to find it important to read ZenPack pages (drives me nuts)
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:00] <davetoo> put an interactive yes/no in the package __init__ :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:03] <rmatte> davetoo: "Oh, let's download and install this software without ever looking to see what it is or what's required prior to or after installing, yeh, that should be fun"
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:29] <rmatte> "Then let's go in to #zenoss and ask why it's not working only to find out that we should have read the ZenPack page to begin with"
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:30] <rmatte> :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:38] <davetoo> I need to load that on my production system,
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:54] <davetoo> I really only need a small subset
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:55] <davetoo> thought.
[19-Nov-2009 09:41:57] <davetoo> -t
[19-Nov-2009 09:42:23] <rmatte> davetoo: it was easier to just load them all, that way no matter what Cisco devices I throw in I always have the Mibs for them
[19-Nov-2009 09:42:42] <davetoo> yep. I'm really not using traps yet anyway, though.
[19-Nov-2009 09:42:43] <rmatte> davetoo: we deal with lots of different Cisco stuff (we're an MSP)
[19-Nov-2009 09:42:45] <davetoo> just experimenting.
[19-Nov-2009 09:42:48] <rmatte> ah
[19-Nov-2009 09:42:58] <rmatte> traps are handy, they make a nice compliment to syslog
[19-Nov-2009 09:43:00] <davetoo> More likely to need syslog mappings irst.
[19-Nov-2009 09:43:01] <davetoo> first.
[19-Nov-2009 09:43:12] <davetoo> Does zenoss handle "inform"?
[19-Nov-2009 09:43:30] <davetoo> I don't know much about it yet, but it's like a trap with a three-way udp handshake, I gather.
[19-Nov-2009 09:44:18] <davetoo> reliable-er
[19-Nov-2009 09:44:20] <davetoo> :)
[19-Nov-2009 09:46:19] <rmatte> sounds iffy
[19-Nov-2009 09:46:29] <rmatte> is that even a standard or some proprietary garbage?
[19-Nov-2009 09:46:39] <davetoo> new-er standard
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:02] <rmatte> I doubt it supports it, and it'll probably take quite a while before that actually takes off anyways (if ever)
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:02] <davetoo> net-snmp supports it
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:26] <rmatte> no one is really adopting snmpv3 and it's been around for a while
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:31] * chris_d is back
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:31] <davetoo> oh, it's v3
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:36] <rmatte> oh it IS
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:40] <rmatte> that makes more sense
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:46] <rmatte> yes, Zenoss supports snmpv3
[19-Nov-2009 09:47:51] <davetoo> I'm not doing *any* v3 yet
[19-Nov-2009 09:48:08] <rmatte> nor are any of our clients
[19-Nov-2009 09:48:40] <chris_d> so am I correct in thinking it has to do something with zope that is causing my slowdown in bringing up a device status page
[19-Nov-2009 09:49:02] <rmatte> chris_d: probably, either that or the specs of the server that you're running Zenoss on aren't cutting it
[19-Nov-2009 09:49:09] <chris_d> .../network/router/cisco/routera takes forever to load
[19-Nov-2009 09:49:22] <rmatte> chris_d: what is the size of your $ZENHOME/var/Data.fs file?
[19-Nov-2009 09:49:30] <chris_d> I would agree but only doing full snmp monitoring on 340 or so of them
[19-Nov-2009 09:49:38] <chris_d> the rest are /ping
[19-Nov-2009 09:49:43] <chris_d> chcking
[19-Nov-2009 09:50:01] <rmatte> chris_d: so? it still has 1100 devices in the database none-the-less and you're talking about database access speeds
[19-Nov-2009 09:50:39] <chris_d> true
[19-Nov-2009 09:50:41] <chris_d> -rw-r--r-- 1 zenoss zenoss 410882098 Nov 19 01:29 /opt/zenoss/var/Data.fs
[19-Nov-2009 09:51:05] <cgibbons> that's a big file
[19-Nov-2009 09:51:21] <rmatte> that's insanely big
[19-Nov-2009 09:51:25] <rmatte> way bigger than it should be
[19-Nov-2009 09:51:30] <chris_d> agreeded
[19-Nov-2009 09:51:31] <davetoo> wait, is that 410 G?
[19-Nov-2009 09:51:53] <chris_d> i have a 1tb mount for zenoss
[19-Nov-2009 09:51:55] <rmatte> no, MB I believe
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:06] <rmatte> add -h to your ls -al
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:07] <davetoo> oh, 410M is not bad
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:10] <rmatte> ls -alh
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:13] <chris_d> k
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:18] <rmatte> it'll translate it to be more human friendly readable
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:27] <chris_d> -rw-r--r-- 1 zenoss zenoss 392M Nov 19 01:29 /opt/zenoss/var/Data.fs
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:39] <rmatte> yeh, as I thought, hmmm, let me check mine
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:51] <chris_d> k, thx for any and all help
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:52] <rmatte> actually, that's not as bad as I thought
[19-Nov-2009 09:52:55] <davetoo> eh, not bad. Question is, which part of the page template is pulling up something slow.
[19-Nov-2009 09:53:14] <davetoo> chris_d: have you tried poking around with zendmd?
[19-Nov-2009 09:53:16] <rmatte> mine is 765MB, but I have 340+ devices being monitored via SNMP on that particular server
[19-Nov-2009 09:53:24] <rmatte> so yours is under-size
[19-Nov-2009 09:53:28] <chris_d> yes i've used zendmd before
[19-Nov-2009 09:53:39] <chris_d> but i have not done a reindex or things like that
[19-Nov-2009 09:53:57] <davetoo> well I was just trying to think of a way to isolate the slow component
[19-Nov-2009 09:53:57] <rmatte> try a reindex() then commit()
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:02] <rmatte> you can also try these: docs/DOC-2521
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:05] <chris_d> looking for suggestions to band-aid this sucker till i can move to a distrubuted collector enviroment, split off mysql etc
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:08] <rmatte> might increase overall performance
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:11] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - How to tweak zenoss (at community.zenoss.org)
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:25] <davetoo> your reindex() will probably take 15 minutes :) Or more.
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:39] <chris_d> I have done all of those on the webpage
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:46] <chris_d> modify where it needs be
[19-Nov-2009 09:54:57] <chudler> one little hack is to mount /tmp as a ramdisk. it *could* speed up the render server
[19-Nov-2009 09:55:03] <rmatte> just try the reindex, you might have bad data in zope
[19-Nov-2009 09:55:10] <rmatte> if you do, you'll get errors when you try to reindex
[19-Nov-2009 09:55:16] <rmatte> thus revealing that that's the issue
[19-Nov-2009 10:08:35] <rmatte> it would be so nice if it was possible to actually set schedules on thresholds for certain devices
[19-Nov-2009 10:08:45] <chris_d> okay I'm starting a reindex
[19-Nov-2009 10:08:59] <davetoo> don't forget the commit() after it finishes :)
[19-Nov-2009 10:08:59] <rmatte> we monitor backup servers which spiker in memory and CPU usage each night, would be nice to be able to tell Zenoss to ignore thresholds during the backup windows
[19-Nov-2009 10:09:06] <rmatte> s/spiker/spike
[19-Nov-2009 10:09:08] <davetoo> ah, yes
[19-Nov-2009 10:09:11] <rmatte> chris_d: cool
[19-Nov-2009 10:09:43] <cgibbons> hmm isn't there a predictive threshold zenpack already?
[19-Nov-2009 10:09:53] <cgibbons> or does it not handle that kind of sort-term window?
[19-Nov-2009 10:09:54] <otakup0p1> anyone aware of fancy zenoss/ipmi tie-ins
[19-Nov-2009 10:09:59] <chris_d> k i'll let you guys know the results when i'm done
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:05] otakup0p1 is now known as otakup0pe
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:07] <rmatte> cgibbons: not sure, I honestly haven't looked at it
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:22] <cgibbons> not that i actually know :)
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:30] <davetoo> cgibbons: Enterprise :)
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:35] <cgibbons> ahh, well there ya go
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:35] <davetoo> or.. did somebody make a community one?
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:38] <rmatte> cgibbons: that struck me as something that you'd use more when monitoring traffic or something
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:51] <rmatte> davetoo: rocket made a community one that's even better than the Enterprise one apparently
[19-Nov-2009 10:10:57] <davetoo> I don't think it would handle such a low duty-cycle spike
[19-Nov-2009 10:11:59] <cgibbons> so really it's more like a maintenance window, but instead of turning off monitoring during the window, use this different set of thresholds
[19-Nov-2009 10:12:11] <cgibbons> sounds like a great zenpack waiting :)
[19-Nov-2009 10:12:19] <rmatte> rocket also made a point threshold back which is interesting
[19-Nov-2009 10:12:25] <rmatte> s/back/pack
[19-Nov-2009 10:12:30] <rmatte> (man my typing is off this morning)
[19-Nov-2009 10:12:55] <mdereus> multiplayer notepad should come with spell/grammar check
[19-Nov-2009 10:13:02] <sergeymasushko> Hi guys. I modified this script to work with different mysql ports... docs/DOC-2484#comment-1288 I can share the diff if needed :)
[19-Nov-2009 10:13:19] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - MySQL Replication Slave Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[19-Nov-2009 10:13:23] <rmatte> cgibbons: well, not necessarily, if you know it's going to be totally maxed then you'd just have it totally disable the thresholds during that particular window, but only the individual thresholds, we still want to receive all other alerts from the device
[19-Nov-2009 10:13:41] <davetoo> event transform?
[19-Nov-2009 10:14:03] <rmatte> davetoo: possibly, but that's sloppy
[19-Nov-2009 10:15:58] <jrock2004> I am using a nagios plugin that checks to see if our IP address of that server is on a blacklist. So I run the command and and if not listed I get Not-Listed. If we are listed it will print We are listed here, here, and or here.
[19-Nov-2009 10:16:02] <cgibbons> have any of y'all worked with VMware's ACE stuff?
[19-Nov-2009 10:16:15] <jrock2004> So if I am listed how do I get it to add an event
[19-Nov-2009 10:16:22] <jrock2004> ?
[19-Nov-2009 10:16:59] <jrock2004> I am in the device template and I created a new datasource with command
[19-Nov-2009 10:18:01] <davetoo> you read the docs :)
[19-Nov-2009 10:18:08] <rmatte> jrock2004: I think you want the script to fail with error code 2 if you're listed, and output something like "FAIL BLAH BLAH|"
[19-Nov-2009 10:18:17] <rmatte> jrock2004: the docs explain how to do it
[19-Nov-2009 10:19:07] <rmatte> I see that they put the old operational and admin status back for 2.5.1
[19-Nov-2009 10:20:43] <jrock2004> Ok I am looking at the doc but I was not sure if I had to be careful due to how some custom plugins are made
[19-Nov-2009 10:33:51] <davetoo> The nagios plugin developer guide is helpful
[19-Nov-2009 10:49:18] <rmatte> jrock, collector plugins and command based datasources are completely different
[19-Nov-2009 10:49:49] <rmatte> if that's what you meant
[19-Nov-2009 10:50:12] <chris_d> reindex finished, did a commit() no errors
[19-Nov-2009 10:50:23] <chris_d> gonna go do some testing to see if it helpoed
[19-Nov-2009 10:50:28] <rmatte> chris_d: any performance improvements?
[19-Nov-2009 10:50:42] <rmatte> k
[19-Nov-2009 10:51:39] <chris_d> seems a little better, I've developed a test that is the same every time so I can gauge results
[19-Nov-2009 10:51:53] <chris_d> i'll do that and have some coworkers perform the test to see what times they are getting
[19-Nov-2009 10:52:12] <chris_d> it has taken 5-10 mins before to load a device status page. so we'll see
[19-Nov-2009 10:52:21] <rmatte> k
[19-Nov-2009 10:59:36] <chris_d> 3 minutes and counting just to bring up a single routers device status page.
[19-Nov-2009 10:59:51] <chris_d> god this is frustrating
[19-Nov-2009 11:00:10] <rmatte> I'm out of ideas at this point honestly, what are the specs on that server?
[19-Nov-2009 11:00:14] <rmatte> CPU, Memory?
[19-Nov-2009 11:00:36] <chris_d> dual quad core zeons 1.86ghz 10gb ram
[19-Nov-2009 11:00:42] <chris_d> ibm blade server
[19-Nov-2009 11:00:55] <rmatte> hmmm
[19-Nov-2009 11:01:06] <rmatte> so you have it running 8 cores total?
[19-Nov-2009 11:01:16] <chris_d> correct
[19-Nov-2009 11:01:24] <rmatte> Zenoss runs better on 4 cores I find, but ok...
[19-Nov-2009 11:01:50] <rmatte> so you have it pinging 1100 devices every minute
[19-Nov-2009 11:01:51] <chris_d> 2.6.18-128.1.6.el5 #1 SMP Tue Mar 24 12:05:57 EDT 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU
[19-Nov-2009 11:02:15] <chris_d> yes and zenping finishes it's cycle in 5 seconds
[19-Nov-2009 11:02:26] <rmatte> 18.3 devices per second
[19-Nov-2009 11:02:29] <rmatte> not bad
[19-Nov-2009 11:02:38] <chris_d> still waiting on that device status page to load
[19-Nov-2009 11:02:54] <rmatte> what other ZenPacks do you have installed?
[19-Nov-2009 11:02:56] <chris_d> and that is with default ping packets in flight, i've gotten it much lower before
[19-Nov-2009 11:03:01] <chris_d> none, i've removed them all.
[19-Nov-2009 11:03:22] <rmatte> what are your zenperfsnmp collector cycle times averaging?
[19-Nov-2009 11:03:44] <chris_d> under 300seconds but let me get an accurate count
[19-Nov-2009 11:05:29] <chris_d> 2009-11-19 12:02:05 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: Sent 1095 OID requests
[19-Nov-2009 11:05:29] <chris_d> 2009-11-19 12:02:05 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: collected 304 of 391 devices in 41.52
[19-Nov-2009 11:05:29] <chris_d> 2009-11-19 12:02:05 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: total=391 good=304 bad=87 time=41.522802
[19-Nov-2009 11:05:58] <chris_d> the bad ones are routers with sub ints or voip routers
[19-Nov-2009 11:06:20] <coofamani> is the cycle consistently around 41? sometimes that many bads can make it swing wildly
[19-Nov-2009 11:06:23] <chris_d> I have turned off all interface perf mons
[19-Nov-2009 11:06:35] <chris_d> it's only doing mem and cpu5min on the routers
[19-Nov-2009 11:07:20] <chris_d> highest recent cycle time was 58s
[19-Nov-2009 11:08:01] <chris_d> I honestly believe this box should be able to handle pinging 800 devices and only doing snmp mon on ~400
[19-Nov-2009 11:08:43] <coofamani> it's not swapping is it?
[19-Nov-2009 11:08:52] <coofamani> (sorry, just catching up with thread)
[19-Nov-2009 11:08:56] <chris_d> i also have zenmodeler turned off
[19-Nov-2009 11:09:16] <chris_d> well there are no local hd's on the blade server it's san attached for storage
[19-Nov-2009 11:09:28] <chris_d> okay that page device status page Just now loaded.
[19-Nov-2009 11:09:33] <chris_d> what was that 7+ mins
[19-Nov-2009 11:10:04] <chris_d> so it does use some ram for swap
[19-Nov-2009 11:21:46] <jrock2004> Is Zenoss is there a way to get an event that generates when the database has too many connections?
[19-Nov-2009 11:24:30] <jrock2004> I just had 5 people run in here and tell me that our main server is down
[19-Nov-2009 11:24:37] <jrock2004> I looked at zenoss and I show green
[19-Nov-2009 11:25:13] <jrock2004> Then I checked Nagios and it told me that there was too many connections to hte database
[19-Nov-2009 11:28:57] <cgibbons> "the database" ?
[19-Nov-2009 11:29:20] <jrock2004> oh sorry mySQL db
[19-Nov-2009 11:32:52] <rmatte> jrock2004: I'd imagine that Nagios uses a plugin to do that
[19-Nov-2009 11:33:01] <rmatte> jrock2004: and it just so happens that Zenoss supports Nagios plugins
[19-Nov-2009 11:33:28] <jrock2004> its using the mysql plugin that comes with nagios
[19-Nov-2009 11:35:06] <kisielk> yeah, you could just port all your nagios checks to your zenoss install
[19-Nov-2009 11:35:34] <jrock2004> well so far there has been only 2 plugins from nagios I want
[19-Nov-2009 11:35:48] <jrock2004> one is the blacklist plugin which I got imported
[19-Nov-2009 11:35:58] <jrock2004> I now see that I have to use the mysql plugin
[19-Nov-2009 11:50:32] <kisielk> argh, I hate when some syslog events get mapped to a different class each time
[19-Nov-2009 11:50:39] <kisielk> er, different component
[19-Nov-2009 12:45:56] <chudler> looks like 2.5.1 ENT came out today :-D
[19-Nov-2009 12:48:18] <chudler> I am currently drooling over those Los Alamos zenoss enhancements
[19-Nov-2009 13:02:41] <coofamani> chudler: link?
[19-Nov-2009 13:03:50] <chudler> blogs/zenossblog/2009/11/18/lanl-hpc-deployment-of-zenoss
[19-Nov-2009 13:04:07] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Zenoss Blog: No Node Left Behind: LANL HPC Deployment of Zenoss (at community.zenoss.org)
[19-Nov-2009 13:04:39] <twm1010> Afternoon all.
[19-Nov-2009 13:11:34] <twm1010> *crickets*
[19-Nov-2009 13:13:08] <cgibbons> exactly
[19-Nov-2009 13:45:54] <coofamani> anyone know of a way to reference an object using an index number, for example, if I want to see the 5th device in dmd.Monitors.Performance.collectorname.devices can I do something like dmd.Monitors.Performance.collectorname.devices[4]?
[19-Nov-2009 13:54:55] <rmatte> ok, time to try setting up my first auto-clearing event rule ever
[19-Nov-2009 14:01:41] jrock2004_ is now known as jrock2004
[19-Nov-2009 14:06:26] <coofamani> FYI, figured it out: dmd.Monitors.Performance.h0c1.devices.objectIdsAll()[i] where i is the index #
[19-Nov-2009 14:23:21] <rmatte> coofamani: cool
[19-Nov-2009 14:30:54] <davetoo> ok, so who's managed to create a collector that runs faster than 300-second intervals? I tried, this morning, but my RRD config must have been bad.
[19-Nov-2009 14:31:27] <twm1010> well... i think when the datapoints are created it takes the cycle time and uses that in the rrdcreate command
[19-Nov-2009 14:31:40] <twm1010> so if you create a faster collector, you'll have to run an RRD command to edit the existing files
[19-Nov-2009 14:32:05] <davetoo> I had no existing files for those devices
[19-Nov-2009 14:32:19] <davetoo> and the RRD dump did show the correct step interval
[19-Nov-2009 14:32:30] <davetoo> but the data never made it out of the PDPs into any of the RRAs
[19-Nov-2009 14:32:51] <twm1010> your second collector is a separate box entirely right? i haven't messed with this much
[19-Nov-2009 14:32:52] <davetoo> I could see the latest value updating correctly but nothing ever made it into the round-robinarchives
[19-Nov-2009 14:32:59] <twm1010> i tried to get a second collector going on the same box, was confusing
[19-Nov-2009 14:33:18] <davetoo> Enterprise or Core?
[19-Nov-2009 14:33:22] <twm1010> well, don't you know 600 datapoints before the archives start to generate? did you wait long enough?
[19-Nov-2009 14:33:23] <twm1010> core
[19-Nov-2009 14:33:30] <twm1010> err, don't you need?
[19-Nov-2009 14:33:32] <davetoo> I did it on Core about a year ago and yes, it was confusing.
[19-Nov-2009 14:33:54] <davetoo> 600? No, should be two, no?
[19-Nov-2009 14:34:17] <davetoo> 600 rows (by default) in all seven RRAs but the first RRA is a 1-step average
[19-Nov-2009 14:34:26] <twm1010> ah, I gotcha
[19-Nov-2009 14:34:44] <davetoo> I think :) I didn't actually make the same tests on a new default rrd. I should do so.
[19-Nov-2009 14:35:12] <twm1010> i'd love someone who really grasps the RRD stuff to explain it better than the documentation
[19-Nov-2009 14:35:22] <twm1010> most of it has clicked, but im still a little confused
[19-Nov-2009 14:35:24] <davetoo> But I had also lengthened them to 3600 rows to account for the shorter inverval + wanting more time
[19-Nov-2009 14:35:53] <twm1010> well, if you're on enterprise then, how about a support ticket :) ?
[19-Nov-2009 14:36:02] <davetoo> it's been sent :)
[19-Nov-2009 14:36:05] <twm1010> i'm curious, this is something people are asking me for
[19-Nov-2009 14:36:21] <twm1010> They want more information kept and better resolution for our e-commerce monitoring
[19-Nov-2009 14:36:23] <davetoo> I think there are docs out there but I haven't found them again yet
[19-Nov-2009 14:36:35] <twm1010> I'm scheming now to just bring up a second ZenossVM just to monitor those 12-14 boxes
[19-Nov-2009 14:36:40] <davetoo> tell them to buy a Netapp for you :)
[19-Nov-2009 14:37:00] <twm1010> Oh we already got two of those remember?
[19-Nov-2009 14:37:31] <twm1010> FAS3140 and a NearStore300 :) I'm currently trying to get the dedupe software for the VTL :)
[19-Nov-2009 14:37:47] <davetoo> I have CRS :)
[19-Nov-2009 14:38:18] <davetoo> plus only two hours of sleep last night trying to make a deadline on my zenoss project
[19-Nov-2009 14:40:08] <rmatte> does anyone here have experience with setting up a trap event to clear another trap event?
[19-Nov-2009 14:40:49] <twm1010> like an interface up trap clearing an interface down trap?
[19-Nov-2009 14:40:58] <rmatte> I get events like: Wireless Interface is DOWN on <device> and Wireless Interface is UP on <device> which come in simultaneously, unless the interface is actually hard down I want it to immediately clear
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:22] <rmatte> so what do I have to set to do that?
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:30] <davetoo> how much delay is there in between those two?
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:38] <rmatte> literally none
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:43] <davetoo> do they clear normally if there is a delay?
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:44] <rmatte> they have the same timestamps when they come in
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:51] <rmatte> no, they don't
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:53] <davetoo> dang
[19-Nov-2009 14:41:58] <rmatte> I need to actually setup the clearing, never done it before
[19-Nov-2009 14:42:11] <rmatte> (it's probably the one basic thing I haven't done in Zenoss yet)
[19-Nov-2009 14:42:19] <davetoo> I've never done anything explicit, the defaults seem to work
[19-Nov-2009 14:42:38] <rmatte> defaults work fine on ping and stuff like that
[19-Nov-2009 14:42:54] <rmatte> but I need to configure the up trap to clear the down trap
[19-Nov-2009 14:42:57] <davetoo> well I've never used traps or syslog yet
[19-Nov-2009 14:43:21] <davetoo> There is a Clear Event field is there not?
[19-Nov-2009 14:43:52] <rmatte> there is "zEventClearClasses"
[19-Nov-2009 14:43:57] <davetoo> but don't know about the timing there. Some of the event stuff is scanned periodically rather than being asynchronous
[19-Nov-2009 14:44:02] <rmatte> but I'm reading some stuff on it and getting mixed instructions
[19-Nov-2009 14:44:30] <rmatte> nah, it should clear it anyways, the down is probably coming in a split second before the up
[19-Nov-2009 14:44:35] <rmatte> like milliseconds before
[19-Nov-2009 14:45:07] <cgibbons> if a clear event is procesed by the event system that matches previous events (the clear classes and other attributes) then it makes those other events cleared
[19-Nov-2009 14:45:33] <rmatte> oh, it's the zEventClassKey that you put in zEventClearClasses?
[19-Nov-2009 14:45:33] <cgibbons> i was just in that code for an enterprise issue similar, our trapforwarder zenpack & clears
[19-Nov-2009 14:45:43] <cgibbons> sec, lemme point you @ the code, it might be easier to read than me to describe
[19-Nov-2009 14:47:13] <rmatte> I think I've sort of figured it out, going to test...
[19-Nov-2009 14:47:20] <cgibbons> look in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenEvents/MySqlSendEvent.py line 184
[19-Nov-2009 14:47:42] <cgibbons> and then the buildClearUpdate it calls
[19-Nov-2009 14:47:46] <cgibbons> if you wanna know the gory details of what it's doing
[19-Nov-2009 14:47:57] <rmatte> hmmm, it does it based on the event class, that's a bit odd
[19-Nov-2009 14:48:54] <rmatte> cgibbons: I assume you're talking about 2.5?
[19-Nov-2009 14:49:08] <cgibbons> well that's what i'm looking at. i don't think it's changed much, but it might be
[19-Nov-2009 14:49:19] <rmatte> line 184 in this code is...
[19-Nov-2009 14:49:21] <rmatte> evid = rs[0]
[19-Nov-2009 14:50:06] <cgibbons> hmm that's further down like 10 lines from mine. but it's in the sendEvent function that i think you're in, where it calls clearClasses() and then buildClearUpdate
[19-Nov-2009 14:50:35] <rmatte> hmmm, I foresee a possible complication with doing this auto-closing
[19-Nov-2009 14:51:33] <rmatte> the events come from 1 device (as wireless controller) but it sends traps for all sorts of different base stations. I don't want it to clear unless the event actually came in for the same base station, I can possibly do that with a transform
[19-Nov-2009 14:52:30] <rmatte> I'll have to have the transform read through the active events and if it finds one that matches, close it
[19-Nov-2009 14:52:40] <davetoo> rmatte: you can always browse the source on the public trac server
[19-Nov-2009 14:52:57] <rmatte> davetoo: yeh, I know
[19-Nov-2009 14:53:18] <rmatte> davetoo: I just don't think it has the functionality that I need (doesn't appear to, this is a pretty special case)
[19-Nov-2009 14:53:31] <rmatte> I think I know how I'll do it... going to try it now
[19-Nov-2009 15:00:24] <jrock2004> rmatte: Do you remember when I talked about monitoring connections amount of MySQL
[19-Nov-2009 15:01:22] <davetoo> Ah, nothing like sending 2MB of binary CPIO output to your xterm to make your afternoon
[19-Nov-2009 15:02:21] <rmatte> Here's what I came up with as a transform
[19-Nov-2009 15:02:23] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/m274a6728
[19-Nov-2009 15:02:33] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[19-Nov-2009 15:03:30] <rmatte> basically when an interface down event comes in for one of the accesspoints it combs through the events in the event console, if the event summary of any of the events contains "Wireless Interface is DOWN" and it has a matching base station id to the current event, then it moves it to history and changes it's severity to clear
[19-Nov-2009 15:03:43] <rmatte> it should theoretically work (the code didn't turn red when I submitted it)
[19-Nov-2009 15:05:01] <rmatte> oh oops
[19-Nov-2009 15:05:12] <rmatte> oh no wait, thought I had made a mistake
[19-Nov-2009 15:06:51] <rmatte> ah nevermind it did turn red bah
[19-Nov-2009 15:06:56] <rmatte> ok, time to troubleshoot...
[19-Nov-2009 15:07:27] <davetoo> I wonder if you'd want to act only on New events
[19-Nov-2009 15:07:53] <rmatte> well, not in our case
[19-Nov-2009 15:07:58] RoninX341 is now known as etank
[19-Nov-2009 15:08:23] <rmatte> hmmm, I wonder what it's not liking about this...
[19-Nov-2009 15:08:29] <davetoo> cevt = clear event?
[19-Nov-2009 15:08:38] <davetoo> Looks like you're only setting th e clear event to history
[19-Nov-2009 15:08:54] <davetoo> no I'm wrong
[19-Nov-2009 15:09:02] <rmatte> correct, because I'm setting the current event's severity to 0
[19-Nov-2009 15:09:06] <rmatte> which is technically just as good
[19-Nov-2009 15:09:31] <davetoo> ok, but does it get reaped out to history?
[19-Nov-2009 15:10:05] <davetoo> debug is nice .. if you clean up or have aging
[19-Nov-2009 15:10:47] <rmatte> davetoo: it gets moved to history if you set the severity to 0 in my experience
[19-Nov-2009 15:10:54] <rmatte> but I'll add a line to move it anyways
[19-Nov-2009 15:14:03] <coofamani> hmm... lets say your doing something in zendmd and you've changed you mind, what's the opposite of commit()?
[19-Nov-2009 15:14:18] <rmatte> coofamani: there isn't, once it's commited you're done
[19-Nov-2009 15:14:23] <coofamani> I havent commited yet
[19-Nov-2009 15:14:29] <rmatte> ctrl-d to exit
[19-Nov-2009 15:14:31] <rmatte> lol
[19-Nov-2009 15:14:33] <coofamani> heh
[19-Nov-2009 15:14:38] <rmatte> as long as you haven't done commit()
[19-Nov-2009 15:15:11] <coofamani> yup, thanks
[19-Nov-2009 15:15:35] <davetoo> right
[19-Nov-2009 15:18:37] <rmatte> eugh, no idea why it doesn't like this transform
[19-Nov-2009 15:21:09] <rmatte> cgibbons: any idea why this wouldn't work as a transform? http://pastebin.com/meae1ca7
[19-Nov-2009 15:21:19] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[19-Nov-2009 15:21:20] <cgibbons> i know zilch about transforms
[19-Nov-2009 15:21:46] <rmatte> k, I always assumed that if you could do it in zendmd you could do it in a transform, but evidently not
[19-Nov-2009 15:22:24] <rmatte> actually, not a bad idea, going to run this through zendmd and see if it works
[19-Nov-2009 15:24:53] <rmatte> oh, I think I may know why
[19-Nov-2009 15:28:09] <rmatte> finally fixed it
[19-Nov-2009 15:28:15] <rmatte> indenting was wrong (stupid me)
[19-Nov-2009 15:28:33] <rmatte> now, time to wait and see if it works
[19-Nov-2009 15:29:00] <davetoo> With Enterprise,should I be able to configure a second hub on the main hub/db host?
[19-Nov-2009 15:29:32] <rmatte> davetoo: a second local you mean?
[19-Nov-2009 15:29:35] <rmatte> davetoo: I believe so
[19-Nov-2009 15:29:44] <rmatte> davetoo: I don't see why you wouldn't be able to
[19-Nov-2009 15:30:29] <davetoo> yeah; testing on dev system but seems not to be doing anything
[19-Nov-2009 15:30:49] <davetoo> I'm probably trying to do to many things at once
[19-Nov-2009 15:33:40] <rmatte> possibly
[19-Nov-2009 15:36:16] <davetoo> ok this should be confusing :) Another hub and another collector on the local machine
[19-Nov-2009 15:38:16] <jrock2004> While running via command line the check_mysql_status.py I am getting error:: Error importing MySQLdb module. This is a pre-requisite.
[19-Nov-2009 15:38:51] <rmatte> jrock2004: is there a line that says import MySQLdb?
[19-Nov-2009 15:38:55] <rmatte> in the script
[19-Nov-2009 15:39:24] <davetoo> is that a zenoss tool/plugin?
[19-Nov-2009 15:39:30] <rmatte> no
[19-Nov-2009 15:39:36] <davetoo> if so, are you running it as the zenoss user; ok, n/mind :)
[19-Nov-2009 15:39:38] <rmatte> that the general MySQL library
[19-Nov-2009 15:39:53] <rmatte> but he should be running the script as the zenoss user anyways
[19-Nov-2009 15:39:58] <jrock2004> I ran it as the zenoss user and if I take out at the end of the command -g -
[19-Nov-2009 15:40:01] <rmatte> since I know for a fact that that can be imported as the zenoss user
[19-Nov-2009 15:40:02] <jrock2004> it works
[19-Nov-2009 15:40:12] <rmatte> I have it importing in my ticket create daemon as the zenoss user
[19-Nov-2009 15:40:33] <rmatte> well what is -g -?
[19-Nov-2009 15:40:40] <eidolon> hi folks - can i have the Apache monitor use a different url for server-status ?
[19-Nov-2009 15:40:59] <jrock2004> I am going to look at the check_mysql_stat.py now
[19-Nov-2009 15:41:53] <jrock2004> that -g - is showing up in the event console when I double clikc on the event
[19-Nov-2009 15:42:59] <rmatte> jrock2004: showing up under what?
[19-Nov-2009 15:43:06] <jrock2004> message
[19-Nov-2009 15:43:54] <jrock2004> now this plugin works for my other database stuff
[19-Nov-2009 15:44:10] <davetoo> sweet, got a second local hub running, with it's own collector.
[19-Nov-2009 15:44:22] <davetoo> Now I can leave one running at -v10 and move stuff there when I need to debug.
[19-Nov-2009 15:44:59] <jrock2004> I am wondering if that -g - is something that the event console added
[19-Nov-2009 15:45:25] <jrock2004> def __init__(self, host, port, user, passwd, gstatus):
[19-Nov-2009 15:46:28] <rmatte> jrock2004: it might just be garbage from the script output?
[19-Nov-2009 15:48:20] <jrock2004> ah that -g is to get show global status
[19-Nov-2009 15:48:50] <rmatte> oh sure, now that I finally get this transform ready the wireless interfaces stop resetting :P
[19-Nov-2009 15:48:56] <jrock2004> I might need to give some permission to the zenos user
[19-Nov-2009 15:48:57] <rmatte> ah I see
[19-Nov-2009 15:49:03] <rmatte> yeh
[19-Nov-2009 15:50:41] <jrock2004> if I take out the -g in the command line it works
[19-Nov-2009 15:52:01] <gwb2352> success! stupid older NetApps not having OIDs. (see post to zenpack list)
[19-Nov-2009 15:52:09] <rmatte> right, but you're probably not getting as advanced of status
[19-Nov-2009 15:52:32] <rmatte> gwb2352: updated NetApp ZenPack?
[19-Nov-2009 15:53:32] <jrock2004> granting more privilage to zenoss user in mysql db model device and trying again
[19-Nov-2009 15:53:58] <gwb2352> no, just tracked down where the community netapp zenpack was working on newer (7.3.x) filers, but not on older (7.0.x)
[19-Nov-2009 15:54:20] <gwb2352> and modified the zenpack to remove querying for those OIDs... not an elegant solution, but progress
[19-Nov-2009 15:55:48] <rmatte> ah
[19-Nov-2009 15:57:53] <jrock2004> could it be that the version of mysql server that
[19-Nov-2009 15:58:03] <jrock2004> I am trying to connect to is too old?
[19-Nov-2009 15:59:41] <jrock2004> yep that is it.
[19-Nov-2009 16:00:37] <jrock2004> but what gets me that in the code it has ifgstatus do show global status else show status
[19-Nov-2009 16:04:16] <rmatte> so?
[19-Nov-2009 16:05:24] <jrock2004> well it is generating event cause it cant do the -g and it appears to not do the else statemwnt
[19-Nov-2009 16:09:16] <rmatte> yeh, because it's not designed to
[19-Nov-2009 16:09:31] <rmatte> the else is if ifgstatus exists
[19-Nov-2009 16:09:40] <rmatte> if it exists it's only going to do show global
[19-Nov-2009 16:09:57] <rmatte> if it doesn't exist it's only going to do show status
[19-Nov-2009 16:10:22] <rmatte> there's nothing in that code that says "If you're unable to pull global and receive an error, then show status"
[19-Nov-2009 16:10:48] <jrock2004> ok
[19-Nov-2009 16:19:37] <jrock2004> ok so even though I am getting this error about the global status Zenoss still told me about the too many connections
[19-Nov-2009 16:21:04] <jrock2004> So my question is if I acknoldge the event will I still get repeated emails each time this even gets updated?
[19-Nov-2009 16:21:40] <jrock2004> So if I acknowledge the event but dont close it I should never get an email again next time this event updates, correct?
[19-Nov-2009 16:25:08] <kobalt> rmatte: how goes your ticket creation script
[19-Nov-2009 16:29:39] <rmatte> kobalt: pretty much done for now, hasn't crashed yet today on any of the boxes, or last night
[19-Nov-2009 16:29:53] <kobalt> rmatte: sweet!
[19-Nov-2009 16:29:58] <rmatte> kobalt: going to be adding a few enhancements to it over the next couple of weeks
[19-Nov-2009 16:30:56] <kobalt> rmatte: we may be going to a similar ticketing system, and that feature would be sweet hehe
[19-Nov-2009 16:31:36] <rmatte> you'd have to probably mod the code a bit, but yeh, once I have the final product I'll release it publicly just as a guideline
[19-Nov-2009 16:31:54] <rmatte> since I put a ton of work in to it
[19-Nov-2009 16:35:20] <rmatte> lmao: http://dmon.org/graphics/ditto-xmas.jpg
[19-Nov-2009 16:36:09] <kobalt> that is funny!
[19-Nov-2009 16:37:18] <rmatte> it so reminds me of how one of my friends does things
[19-Nov-2009 16:37:24] <rmatte> always half-assed but grandesque
[19-Nov-2009 16:37:30] <jrock2004> rmatte: can we see a screenshot of this in action?
[19-Nov-2009 16:37:41] <rmatte> jrock2004: what in action?
[19-Nov-2009 16:37:52] <jrock2004> How the ticket system looks in zenoss
[19-Nov-2009 16:38:04] <rmatte> jrock2004: oh, the ticket system isn't actually in Zenoss
[19-Nov-2009 16:38:14] <jrock2004> ah
[19-Nov-2009 16:38:31] <rmatte> jrock2004: each of my production Zenoss servers (9 of them) has a daemon called zenticket which I wrote running on them
[19-Nov-2009 16:38:45] <kobalt> rmatte: does the your script create a ticket automaticly on every event or do you have the option to create a ticket
[19-Nov-2009 16:38:55] <jrock2004> oh so when an event gets generated it creates a ticket
[19-Nov-2009 16:39:09] <rmatte> one sec, I did a wiki writeup of it, let me grab that and put it somewhere for you to read...
[19-Nov-2009 16:39:18] <rmatte> it's a bit more intelligent than that
[19-Nov-2009 16:41:40] <jrock2004> ah
[19-Nov-2009 16:43:40] <Rocinante> http://pastebin.ca/1678475 <-- that just feels wrong. It works, it just feels wrong.
[19-Nov-2009 16:43:47] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Unnamed - post number 1678475 (at pastebin.ca)
[19-Nov-2009 16:44:19] <Rocinante> Felt more wrong when I started importing ldap, and wanted to translate "uid" to the real user ID ("uid" is the uid number).. gave up on that for now, not enough coffee.
[19-Nov-2009 16:44:38] <rmatte> here: http://dmon.org/zenticket.html
[19-Nov-2009 16:44:56] <rmatte> that's the best I can do in terms of posting the wiki entry publicly while maintaining the general formatting
[19-Nov-2009 16:46:13] <davetoo> yes why did they have to do that?
[19-Nov-2009 16:46:42] <davetoo> so now I have this problem with running two collectors on the same host
[19-Nov-2009 16:47:09] <davetoo> they share an etc directory; how to I create a DAEMONS_TXT_ONLY that affects only one of the collectors? :)
[19-Nov-2009 16:47:23] <davetoo> I don't think I get to
[19-Nov-2009 16:47:34] <davetoo> oh, they're combined.
[19-Nov-2009 16:47:35] <davetoo> n/mind
[19-Nov-2009 16:49:46] <kobalt> rmatte: nice I like it
[19-Nov-2009 16:49:56] <rmatte> kobalt: thanks
[19-Nov-2009 16:52:42] <rmatte> took a lot of research and coding to get to this point, still have some dev work to do on it
[19-Nov-2009 16:54:38] <rmatte> plus I want it to make it through a whole week without crashing before I declare it 100% stable, but it should be now, I added an exception for the MySQL error that I was coming across from time to time
[19-Nov-2009 16:56:26] <kobalt> Sweet, Im just starting to learn python myself, but find I can follow code I am looking forward to seeing how this is done (if you release it hehe)
[19-Nov-2009 16:57:16] <jrock2004> Well to head home. See you guys later
[19-Nov-2009 16:57:27] <rmatte> yeh, I'm just starting to get good at python, didn't know any when I started using Zenoss about a year ago
[19-Nov-2009 16:57:40] <rmatte> I still have a ways to go though
[19-Nov-2009 16:58:31] <kobalt> I was happy I was able to get a zendmd script figured out to reset the communities on about 140 devices hehe
[19-Nov-2009 17:01:25] <rmatte> hehe
[19-Nov-2009 17:01:34] <rmatte> yeh, a lot nicer than doing it by hand
[19-Nov-2009 17:01:54] <kobalt> oh yeah, I would still be at it lol
[19-Nov-2009 17:02:26] <rmatte> here's a screenshot of our customized version of OTRS: http://dmon.org/otrs.png
[19-Nov-2009 17:02:32] <rmatte> ah cra
[19-Nov-2009 17:02:34] <rmatte> crap*
[19-Nov-2009 17:02:47] <rmatte> one sec
[19-Nov-2009 17:03:44] <davetoo> nice 404
[19-Nov-2009 17:05:03] <rmatte> try again
[19-Nov-2009 17:06:40] <davetoo> cool
[19-Nov-2009 17:07:02] <davetoo> I dislike the syntax of the threshold violation text messages
[19-Nov-2009 17:07:19] <davetoo> "threshold of 'foo' 'bar''
[19-Nov-2009 17:07:25] <davetoo> can be confusing
[19-Nov-2009 17:07:42] <rmatte> davetoo: our ticket creation script uses that syntax to auto-correlate
[19-Nov-2009 17:07:52] <rmatte> davetoo: and it's honestly not that confusing
[19-Nov-2009 17:08:07] <rmatte> davetoo: memory threshold was exceeded on device blah, 96% utilization
[19-Nov-2009 17:08:12] <davetoo> for us
[19-Nov-2009 17:08:22] <davetoo> for my NOC people it's going to be
[19-Nov-2009 17:08:33] <rmatte> our NOC people are fine with it
[19-Nov-2009 17:08:37] <rmatte> they know exactly what it means
[19-Nov-2009 17:08:59] <rmatte> quite honestly, if your NOC people can't figure that out you need to hire new NOC people lol
[19-Nov-2009 17:09:08] <rmatte> we don't even have the cream of the crop here and there are no issues
[19-Nov-2009 17:09:09] <rmatte> :)
[19-Nov-2009 17:09:12] <davetoo> oh these guys will learn; i can't remember right now but there are some messages that are kind of nonsensical
[19-Nov-2009 17:09:24] <davetoo> rmatte: where is your NOC located physically?
[19-Nov-2009 17:09:32] <rmatte> Ottawa, Canada
[19-Nov-2009 17:09:48] <rmatte> we're a pretty techy city
[19-Nov-2009 17:09:55] <davetoo> let me put it this way: I would by FAR rather talk to these guys by IM or email, because I cannot understand their accent.
[19-Nov-2009 17:10:06] <rmatte> ah, that's brutal
[19-Nov-2009 17:10:15] <rmatte> yeh, nah, that's not an issue here
[19-Nov-2009 17:10:23] <davetoo> so the syntax might be confusing; anyway they'll figure it out.
[19-Nov-2009 17:10:33] <rmatte> we actually stole some of our clients from an indian NOC because they sucked so badly
[19-Nov-2009 17:10:44] <drbrown> I have an absolute newb question that I am sorry for asking, I have zenoss 2.5 running on ubuntu 9.10, and I can't seem to get any zenpacks to install, I keep getting missing directory errors
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:08] <rmatte> drbrown: if the zenpacks are .egg.zip files you need to unzip them before installing
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:24] <rmatte> drbrown: you also need to make sure you're installing them as the Zenoss user, not as root or anything
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:26] <drbrown> I'm an idiot, thanks
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:34] <rmatte> np
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:44] <davetoo> so this is cool, if roundabout: I have a way to debug my topology/pingtree problems now without disrupting production. I set up a second zenhub daemon on the db host, and a second collector on each of the remotes. I run this debug hub at -v10, run zenping one time on the remote, and watch the pingtree build. Or not.
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:48] <drbrown> rmatte, is that matt???
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:50] <rmatte> they aren't really supposed to be zipped but the new community site auto-zips them
[19-Nov-2009 17:11:59] <rmatte> no, my last name is Matte
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:03] <rmatte> first name Ryan
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:17] <rmatte> You talking about Matt Ray?
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:30] <drbrown> sorry, didn't know what Mr. Ray's handle was, I haven't spoke to him since OHLF
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:36] <drbrown> yes, Matt Ray
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:38] <rmatte> ah, he's mrayzenoss
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:46] <rmatte> he's on matternity leave at the moment
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:49] <drbrown> cool
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:53] <rmatte> erm, patternity leave rather
[19-Nov-2009 17:12:57] <rmatte> lol
[19-Nov-2009 17:13:03] <drbrown> I'll have to send him an email congratulating him
[19-Nov-2009 17:13:15] <rmatte> I'm sure he'd appreciate it ;)
[19-Nov-2009 17:13:48] <drbrown> if any of the guys who helped at OLF are here, thanks for the training, it's much appreciated
[19-Nov-2009 17:14:06] <rmatte> not sure if anyone from Zenoss Inc is around at the moment
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:00] <clustermagnet> gents... just installed the latest zenoss from source
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:07] * rmatte cringes
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:12] <rmatte> clustermagnet: on what OS?
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:15] <clustermagnet> rmatte: :)
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:19] <clustermagnet> centos 5
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:26] <clustermagnet> when does the installer create the mysql db?
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:28] <rmatte> ah, thought you were going to say FreeBSD
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:31] <clustermagnet> during compile... or after you install
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:35] * rmatte breathes a sigh of relief
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:36] <davetoo> BeOS
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:42] <rmatte> clustermagnet: why on earth did you compile from source?
[19-Nov-2009 17:15:50] <rmatte> well, install from source, rather
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:13] <davetoo> I used to have not-good-luck with the rpms, so I did that for a long time.
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:16] <davetoo> Back in the 1.x days
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:16] <rmatte> clustermagnet: If you do it from source it's by hand, if you install via rpms like you should if you're using CentOS, then it's automatic
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:24] <rmatte> If you install from stack installer it's automatic as well
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:29] <clustermagnet> rmatte: the mysql installation is by hand?
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:32] <clustermagnet> hmmmm, not in the docs
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:33] <clustermagnet> one sec
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:48] <rmatte> Use the stack installer and it literally installs everything you need, including MySQL
[19-Nov-2009 17:16:59] <rmatte> don't do it from source, you'll just give yourself a headache
[19-Nov-2009 17:17:04] <clustermagnet> rmatte: unfortunately, i have to do this by hand, long time to explain :)
[19-Nov-2009 17:17:08] <davetoo> ?
[19-Nov-2009 17:17:13] <davetoo> well, get some aspirin
[19-Nov-2009 17:17:29] <clustermagnet> so anyways... following the install manual...
[19-Nov-2009 17:17:34] <clustermagnet> it doesnt mention the mysql install
[19-Nov-2009 17:17:41] <clustermagnet> so no wonder its not able to connect :)
[19-Nov-2009 17:17:50] <clustermagnet> all i did was setup the mysql database, user/pw
[19-Nov-2009 17:18:19] <clustermagnet> so i setup the db myself huh... let me read up, but
[19-Nov-2009 17:18:26] <davetoo> the RPM install guide might be another source to help you understand the dependencies.
[19-Nov-2009 17:19:10] <clustermagnet> davetoo: thats exactly what im reading :)
[19-Nov-2009 17:19:25] <clustermagnet> davetoo: im not going to recompile... i'll see if dropping in the msyql database is enough :)
[19-Nov-2009 17:19:56] <rmatte> clustermagnet: good luck updating Zenoss in the future, you'll have to go through that whole song and dance each time lol
[19-Nov-2009 17:20:14] <rmatte> the source build stuff I mean
[19-Nov-2009 17:20:23] <clustermagnet> rmatte: no worries!
[19-Nov-2009 17:21:10] <kisielk> I think there's some major problems in my zenoss database
[19-Nov-2009 17:21:20] <kisielk> but I don't know what I can do to fix it :/
[19-Nov-2009 17:21:50] <rmatte> gotta run for the night folks, be back tomorrow
[19-Nov-2009 17:40:10] <davetoo> later
[19-Nov-2009 18:00:32] <jb> 1.5.7
[19-Nov-2009 18:00:33] <jb> is curent
[19-Nov-2009 18:01:36] <jb> oops
[19-Nov-2009 18:52:54] <davetoo> ruh roh
[19-Nov-2009 18:53:11] <davetoo> INFO ZEO.StorageServer (28004/127.0.0.1:56401) Transaction blocked waiting for storage. Clients waiting: 1
[19-Nov-2009 18:53:49] * davetoo goes to join #zope
[19-Nov-2009 18:58:16] <ErikRose_> /topic something about 2.5.1 being out :-)
[19-Nov-2009 19:04:16] <davetoo> right
[19-Nov-2009 19:44:32] <cgibbons_> hrmph didn't do the right URL, but matt will live :)
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[19-Nov-2009 20:18:28] <davetoo> what does zenjobs do?
[19-Nov-2009 20:18:46] <davetoo> it
[19-Nov-2009 20:19:15] <davetoo> something is hanging up my zeo daemon :(
[19-Nov-2009 20:19:24] <davetoo> tcp 10604 0 127.0.0.1:50715 127.0.0.1:8100 ESTABLISHED
[19-Nov-2009 20:19:43] <davetoo> that's zenjobs with a growing backlog into zeo
[19-Nov-2009 20:46:43] <cgibbons> right now zenjobs just does a very few things, the add-device wizard uses it, and maybe regular discovery
[19-Nov-2009 21:00:11] <davetoo> how bizarre: somehow I ended up with a /22 network as a child of a /24 network
[19-Nov-2009 21:00:43] <davetoo> 'k I was trying to figure out if I could omit it, but I don't think it's the cause of my blocking problem, just a symptom.
[19-Nov-2009 21:01:17] <davetoo> INFO ZEO.StorageServer (28004/127.0.0.1:56401) Transaction blocked waiting for storage. Clients waiting: 1
[19-Nov-2009 21:01:36] <davetoo> Google seems to think that this is caused by some client hanging in the middle of a 2-phase commit
[19-Nov-2009 21:01:42] <adytum-bot> davetoo: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[19-Nov-2009 21:01:48] <davetoo> hah
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[20-Nov-2009 08:03:15] <AsGF2MX> .
[20-Nov-2009 08:06:23] <AsGF2MX> Anyone building templates with ZenOSS 2.5.1?
[20-Nov-2009 08:07:31] <AsGF2MX> Anyone?
[20-Nov-2009 08:08:08] <rmatte> like, device templates?
[20-Nov-2009 08:10:41] <AsGF2MX> Yep
[20-Nov-2009 08:11:03] <AsGF2MX> On my 2.5.1 install, I can add data sources but can't add data points
[20-Nov-2009 08:11:45] <AsGF2MX> The frame or section for data points doesn't show.
[20-Nov-2009 08:12:11] <rmatte> that's because you're adding an snmp type data source, correct?
[20-Nov-2009 08:12:24] <AsGF2MX> Yes
[20-Nov-2009 08:12:41] <rmatte> You are probably used to Zenoss 2.3.x I'm assuming?
[20-Nov-2009 08:12:59] <rmatte> Ever since 2.4, Zenoss adds the datapoints automatically for snmp type data sources
[20-Nov-2009 08:13:08] <AsGF2MX> Oh
[20-Nov-2009 08:13:10] <rmatte> you only have to manually add datapoints for command based data sources
[20-Nov-2009 08:14:23] <rmatte> the datapoint will be named after the data source, so if the data source is named "Fred", when you add a graphpoint to a graph you'll see "Fred_Fred"
[20-Nov-2009 08:14:47] <AsGF2MX> That explains why even ethernetcounter data sources are gone
[20-Nov-2009 08:14:54] <rmatte> correct
[20-Nov-2009 08:15:19] <rmatte> if you really really want to access the actual datapoints you can go in to the zope management interface, but there's no real point
[20-Nov-2009 08:16:05] <AsGF2MX> I have a counter than I am getting (from a printer to be exact). How do I go about display that once as a gauge (I want the total) and once as a counter (want to see utilization)?
[20-Nov-2009 08:16:16] <AsGF2MX> Do I literally need to add two data sources?
[20-Nov-2009 08:16:37] <AsGF2MX> *of two different types
[20-Nov-2009 08:16:39] <rmatte> yeh, you do
[20-Nov-2009 08:17:11] <AsGF2MX> Does this break Zenpacks between 2.3 and 2.4/2.5?
[20-Nov-2009 08:17:13] <rmatte> since the RRD file gets created specifically based on whether it's gauge, counter, etc...
[20-Nov-2009 08:17:26] <rmatte> AsGF2MX: no, it does not
[20-Nov-2009 08:17:39] <AsGF2MX> Got it.
[20-Nov-2009 08:17:51] <AsGF2MX> docs/DOC-3908
[20-Nov-2009 08:17:58] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 6.2 2 Performance Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[20-Nov-2009 08:17:58] <rmatte> AsGF2MX: the datapoints are handled in the exact same way as before, they are just hidden to the user if it's an snmp based data source
[20-Nov-2009 08:18:23] <AsGF2MX> The screenshot needs to be updated there.
[20-Nov-2009 08:18:57] <AsGF2MX> It's showing the datapoint and the data type is SNMP...threw me for a loop until you cleared it up.
[20-Nov-2009 08:18:59] <rmatte> yeh, I'll pass that along to Matt Ray when he gets back from his patternity leave
[20-Nov-2009 08:19:42] <AsGF2MX> Thanks
[20-Nov-2009 08:20:23] <rmatte> np
[20-Nov-2009 08:20:29] <AsGF2MX> Let me quickly put in those counters and see if it plots.
[20-Nov-2009 08:20:40] <rmatte> cool
[20-Nov-2009 08:37:17] <AsGF2MX> Something's plotting but a lot of nan so far.
[20-Nov-2009 08:42:08] <rmatte> takes 3 polling cycles for it to start graphing (15 mins)
[20-Nov-2009 08:42:16] <AsGF2MX> Oh
[20-Nov-2009 08:42:29] <rmatte> otherwise you see nan
[20-Nov-2009 08:42:47] <AsGF2MX> On one, I see nan, on the other I see the scrollbars.
[20-Nov-2009 08:42:50] <AsGF2MX> No plot
[20-Nov-2009 08:43:29] <AsGF2MX> I thought it was one polling cycle before (2.3).
[20-Nov-2009 08:43:31] <AsGF2MX> Correct?
[20-Nov-2009 08:45:00] <rmatte> no
[20-Nov-2009 08:45:05] <rmatte> it has always been 3 polling cycles
[20-Nov-2009 08:45:08] <rmatte> it's nothing new
[20-Nov-2009 08:45:44] <rmatte> you should at least see a graph with nan
[20-Nov-2009 08:45:48] <rmatte> if you don't then there's an issue
[20-Nov-2009 08:47:41] <AsGF2MX> I am seeing a graph with nan but on the one that measures the difference (derive), I see nothing even though I know the counters have incremented
[20-Nov-2009 08:48:24] <rmatte> wait until the nan is gone for starters
[20-Nov-2009 08:48:31] <cgibbons> hmmm that would be a good enhancement
[20-Nov-2009 08:48:45] <rmatte> what would?
[20-Nov-2009 08:49:13] <cgibbons> the collectors could detect (zenwinperf already does something similar) that it's an empty datapoint and do the right # of fetches right away to get an initial value for users to see
[20-Nov-2009 08:49:46] <rmatte> yeh, that would be nice
[20-Nov-2009 08:49:51] <cgibbons> that initial delay is always annoying. i pretty much run my collection cycles down at < 30 secs all teh time for that reason, but then i'm not collecting real data
[20-Nov-2009 08:49:54] <rmatte> because that's such a common question in here
[20-Nov-2009 08:49:57] <cgibbons> yep
[20-Nov-2009 08:50:10] <rmatte> I think I've said the words "wait 3 polling cycles (15 minutes)" about 3 gazillion times
[20-Nov-2009 08:50:14] <cgibbons> it was a common minor complaint on some of the other systems ive worked with too
[20-Nov-2009 08:50:32] <AsGF2MX> Hmm
[20-Nov-2009 08:51:24] <AsGF2MX> As long as it doesn't go to the "Missing RRD..." or the big red x, it should be ok
[20-Nov-2009 08:55:17] <rmatte> Missing RRD is before nan, not after
[20-Nov-2009 08:57:41] <AsGF2MX> So far, I got values on the first graph but absolutely no reaction the second one
[20-Nov-2009 08:58:33] <AsGF2MX> I think a feature add would be more like "Please wait...your data will be collected in 3 cycles!"
[20-Nov-2009 08:59:02] <AsGF2MX> *the
[20-Nov-2009 09:03:15] <AsGF2MX> Since these devices are on pretty low traffic right now, I will wait and check it out in the morning.
[20-Nov-2009 09:04:07] <AsGF2MX> Having said that, thanks rmatte. You solved my confusion with the datasources and points
[20-Nov-2009 09:05:18] <rmatte> no problem, though the fact that they are on slow links shouldn't affect it, that's just 1 more OID to collect
[20-Nov-2009 09:05:19] <AsGF2MX> nite
[20-Nov-2009 09:05:24] <rmatte> later
[20-Nov-2009 09:20:22] <jrock2004> If I use the apache template on a web server that requires a password, can I tell the template what the credentials are?
[20-Nov-2009 09:21:44] <rmatte> jrock2004: read the documentation for the ZenPack
[20-Nov-2009 09:21:56] <jrock2004> rmatte: Oh darn :)
[20-Nov-2009 09:22:02] <jrock2004> ok will do lol
[20-Nov-2009 09:22:06] <rmatte> :P
[20-Nov-2009 09:22:08] <rmatte> lol
[20-Nov-2009 09:22:16] <rmatte> if it's not in the documentation then chances are that you can't do it
[20-Nov-2009 09:26:11] <rmatte> docs/DOC-2717
[20-Nov-2009 09:26:18] <rmatte> doesn't look like it as far as I can see
[20-Nov-2009 09:26:18] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 2.3 Enable Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[20-Nov-2009 09:27:36] <rmatte> here's a newer version of the doc: docs/DOC-3994
[20-Nov-2009 09:27:43] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 3.3 3 Enable Monitoring (at community.zenoss.org)
[20-Nov-2009 09:27:51] <rmatte> stil no mention of username/password authentication though
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:31] <rmatte> you can user sort of an access list for the server-status page though
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:32] <rmatte> such as:
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:33] <rmatte> <Location /server-status>SetHandler server-status
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:33] <rmatte> Order deny,allowDeny from all
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:33] <rmatte> Allow from externalzenoss.example.com 192.168.10.0/24
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:33] <rmatte> </Location>
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:39] <rmatte> s/user/use
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:50] <jrock2004> I think what I need to do is edit the htaccess file to allow from ip
[20-Nov-2009 09:28:58] <rmatte> that would work
[20-Nov-2009 09:29:20] <jrock2004> cause I am using an .htaccess file to password protect it
[20-Nov-2009 09:29:31] * jrock2004 is googling for proper syntax
[20-Nov-2009 09:29:31] <twm1010> Are you trying to allow a portion of the zenoss website out so another site can reference it?
[20-Nov-2009 09:29:39] <twm1010> i've wanted to do that for a while.
[20-Nov-2009 09:30:02] <jrock2004> I want to get apache statistics on a website that the root directory is password protected
[20-Nov-2009 09:30:16] <jrock2004> I am getting errors cause zenoss cannot authenticate
[20-Nov-2009 09:30:43] <jrock2004> so I need to edit my htaccess file so that zenoss server can see /server-status without a password
[20-Nov-2009 09:30:56] <twm1010> ah... gotcha
[20-Nov-2009 09:31:29] <twm1010> maybe you could relocate server-status to a subdirectory?
[20-Nov-2009 09:31:52] <twm1010> i don't know that the module HAS to write it there, they renamed ours to something like xx-server-status-3424 or something like that
[20-Nov-2009 09:32:10] <jrock2004> No it does not write anytthing
[20-Nov-2009 09:33:40] <twm1010> i don't pretend to know how it works, but you might be able to move it / manipulate it in the config, rather than go around the access to the root directory, just a thought
[20-Nov-2009 09:34:20] <jrock2004> you do realize that when I say root directory I mean web root directory?
[20-Nov-2009 09:34:27] <twm1010> Yep
[20-Nov-2009 09:34:28] <rmatte> twm1010: better to just leave it password protected
[20-Nov-2009 09:34:50] <rmatte> twm1010: best practice if the webserver is password protected to begin with
[20-Nov-2009 09:35:20] <twm1010> thats what im saying, leave it password protected, and relocate mod-status to a location that won't need a password?
[20-Nov-2009 09:35:56] <rmatte> twm1010: yeh, but then you're publicly exposing that info, unless you actually edit the apache config to only allow certain IPs to view the page
[20-Nov-2009 09:36:14] <rmatte> twm1010: why bother when you can just modify the htaccess file?
[20-Nov-2009 09:36:28] <jrock2004> rmatte: in my /server-status section in apache config I restrict IP
[20-Nov-2009 09:36:46] <twm1010> hey, whatever works
[20-Nov-2009 09:36:49] <rmatte> jrock2004: ah, well, double security then lol
[20-Nov-2009 09:37:12] <jrock2004> Yeah I do that alot with my phpmyadmin stuff
[20-Nov-2009 09:37:29] <twm1010> I guess I don't consider that information that sensitive...
[20-Nov-2009 09:37:58] <jrock2004> Well when you work for a company it might not be that IT guy but the company cares
[20-Nov-2009 09:39:06] <twm1010> Maybe with extended status on
[20-Nov-2009 09:39:26] <twm1010> eh, either way, do what ya gotta do :)
[20-Nov-2009 09:39:27] <jrock2004> oh I thought you were talking about phpmyadmin :)
[20-Nov-2009 09:39:46] <twm1010> LOL... yeah, might as well run webmin with no password while you're at it too ;)
[20-Nov-2009 09:41:08] <rmatte> twm1010: it's equivalent to leaving snmp read permissions for "public" in my opinion, but whatever
[20-Nov-2009 09:41:40] <rmatte> the people who leave snmp write permissions for private are complete idiots
[20-Nov-2009 09:41:43] <twm1010> rmatte: Yeah, but there's just not alot of data there, transferred bytes, total hits, some people intentionally publish that info, just for kicks
[20-Nov-2009 09:42:03] <rmatte> twm1010: true
[20-Nov-2009 09:42:14] <twm1010> Yeah, we don't use write strings anywhere I believe.
[20-Nov-2009 09:42:47] <rmatte> we do but we don't use easily guessable strings
[20-Nov-2009 09:43:22] <twm1010> Our environment is so static, if we need to use write to do something, its probably better done manually.
[20-Nov-2009 09:43:58] <twm1010> Sigh.... now my Zenoss server is considered "production" and I have to request an outage from myself to upgrade to 2.5.1 :|
[20-Nov-2009 09:44:11] <twm1010> change management ... i hate it
[20-Nov-2009 09:44:32] <rmatte> twm1010: haha
[20-Nov-2009 09:44:34] <jrock2004> Yeah I have to put passwords on snmp stuff soon
[20-Nov-2009 09:44:57] <twm1010> Our solarwinds box has write access to most of our core network though
[20-Nov-2009 09:45:04] <rmatte> twm1010: The only time that I can do changes like that on our Zenoss prod boxes is on Tuesday nights since that's our weekly change window
[20-Nov-2009 09:45:40] <twm1010> I'm actually pretty stoked because all our telecom stuff is coming out of Zenoss and into solarwinds and vice versa
[20-Nov-2009 09:45:51] <twm1010> all the server runnings Cisco Securita Agent, are no longer my problem, :D
[20-Nov-2009 09:45:58] <rmatte> hehe
[20-Nov-2009 09:46:10] <zuez> hey lame question, but is there a fundamental distinction in acknowledging an event and closing it? like if I get a false alarm, I added a stupid regex to a process list
[20-Nov-2009 09:46:20] <zuez> should I just close it or acknowledge->close it then refine my regex
[20-Nov-2009 09:46:38] <rmatte> zuez by close I assume you mean "Move to History"?
[20-Nov-2009 09:46:58] <zuez> rmatte: Well, it's an alert I'm not interested in ever seeing again, I screwed up a regex for an OS Process
[20-Nov-2009 09:47:14] <zuez> I added /drbd/ to my OS proc regex, and I ended up doing a tail -f /some/path/to/drbd/some/file
[20-Nov-2009 09:47:27] <zuez> and now it has that tail -f OS proc alerting saying hey you're no longer running a tail
[20-Nov-2009 09:47:28] <rmatte> zuez: ummmm, did you remove the OS Process?
[20-Nov-2009 09:47:43] <zuez> yeah I removed the OS process, now I have to locate that regex again and fix it
[20-Nov-2009 09:48:01] <rmatte> ok, wow, woah, let's go back to the beginnin
[20-Nov-2009 09:48:12] <rmatte> the regex was in the OS process that you removed, no?
[20-Nov-2009 09:49:10] <zuez> I have a couple of processes running that I *do* want to monitor, they look like [drbd0_asender]
[20-Nov-2009 09:49:12] <chris_d> okay i'm about to sit down in a meeting to discuss our next gen zenoss install, going from a single collector to a multiple collect sepearte mysql zenoss install
[20-Nov-2009 09:49:15] <zuez> so I just added a regex for /drbd/
[20-Nov-2009 09:49:24] <zuez> I also have a path on my filesystem called /opt/drbd
[20-Nov-2009 09:49:38] <zuez> so when I went in to tail a logfile in it, it started monitoring that tail process
[20-Nov-2009 09:49:54] <rmatte> I see
[20-Nov-2009 09:49:55] <chris_d> my first question, can you run multiple front ends? i.e. can I run two web front ends and put them behind a load balancer
[20-Nov-2009 09:50:18] <RoundQube> hello all
[20-Nov-2009 09:50:24] <rmatte> zuez: ok, what event class does the event that you want to suppress come in under?
[20-Nov-2009 09:50:44] <RoundQube> when i add a windows device, by default it only shows cpu usage, paging and free memory. Why isn't hard disk added by default?
[20-Nov-2009 09:52:54] <rmatte> RoundQube: did you not check the OS tab?
[20-Nov-2009 09:53:45] <RoundQube> rmatte on a linux device, i see disk I/O but i dont have that graph on the main "perf" tab... i'd like to have that IO on the perf page
[20-Nov-2009 09:53:45] <rmatte> chris_d: I highly doubt it
[20-Nov-2009 09:54:05] <rmatte> RoundQube: then have fun editing the device template for windows devices to add it in
[20-Nov-2009 09:54:22] <jrock2004> I figured how how to allow zenoss to bypass the password
[20-Nov-2009 09:54:32] <rmatte> RoundQube: Zenoss comes with pretty basic templates, the idea is that you learn about the product so that you can taylor it to what you need
[20-Nov-2009 09:54:35] * ErikRose is enjoying the new Event Console.
[20-Nov-2009 09:54:38] <RoundQube> rmatte by have fun, are you implying its difficult ? =)
[20-Nov-2009 09:54:44] <RoundQube> rmatte gotcha
[20-Nov-2009 09:54:55] <rmatte> RoundQube: no, editing or creating a template is easy as pie
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:04] <rmatte> RoundQube: but Microsoft's SNMP Service blows ass
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:11] <rmatte> RoundQube: though I assume you're using snmp-informant?
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:12] <RoundQube> i have snmp informant installed
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:17] * rmatte shivers
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:23] <rmatte> not a fan of it, but ok
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:35] <RoundQube> what are my options for windows other than those two?
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:41] <rmatte> google around and see if you can find an snmp-informant OID for what you need
[20-Nov-2009 09:55:48] <adytum-bot> rmatte: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[20-Nov-2009 09:56:00] <rmatte> RoundQube: there are the Windows SNMP Performance ZenPacks that I wrote
[20-Nov-2009 09:56:21] <rmatte> RoundQube: but under performance you'll only get cpu and memory info, on the up side, they don't require snmp-informant
[20-Nov-2009 09:56:57] <rmatte> RoundQube: it depends on what you need to monitor, I personally don't care about disk IO on Windows boxes
[20-Nov-2009 09:57:30] <RoundQube> we do because we have 2TB shares off the windows server that we'd like to monitor
[20-Nov-2009 10:04:21] <chris_d> so if you were wanting to pull ~400K OID request per zenperfsnmp cycle (300seconds) how many distrubed collectors would that require.
[20-Nov-2009 10:04:39] <chris_d> and what kind of hardware would I need would you think
[20-Nov-2009 10:07:13] <rmatte> chris_d: hehe, hmmm
[20-Nov-2009 10:07:50] <rmatte> honestly I'd personally probably only put a max of maybe 40k or 50k OIDs per collector for maximum performance
[20-Nov-2009 10:08:06] <rmatte> chris_d: is this all stuff being monitored internally?
[20-Nov-2009 10:08:16] <rmatte> chris_d: or will you be monitoring across slow links?
[20-Nov-2009 10:08:39] <rmatte> chris_d: latency is something to take in to consideration, since 20k of really slow OID requests will easily eat up a whole polling cycle
[20-Nov-2009 10:09:32] <twm1010> jrock2004: how did you end up doing it
[20-Nov-2009 10:10:33] <twm1010> I believe there are built-in Windows SNMP counters for Disk I/O
[20-Nov-2009 10:10:39] <twm1010> but don't quote me :)
[20-Nov-2009 10:10:53] <twm1010> I know how to do it via WMI :)
[20-Nov-2009 10:12:29] <rmatte> yeh, via WMI is easy
[20-Nov-2009 10:13:23] <twm1010> let me look, im pretty sure that the standard informant snmp windows template does give you disk I/O
[20-Nov-2009 10:14:09] <jrock2004> twm1010: http://tinyurl.com/yeujkl3
[20-Nov-2009 10:14:16] <chris_d> rmatte: I am planning on putting the collectors into each of our regional access points. i.e. west coast routers would be polled by a collector in phoenix
[20-Nov-2009 10:14:25] <adytum-bot> Title: .htaccess password protection: IP range exception? (View Single Post) (at tinyurl.com)
[20-Nov-2009 10:16:46] <rmatte> chris_d: ah, I see
[20-Nov-2009 10:17:03] <rmatte> chris_d: well, like I said, 50k per collector max would be best
[20-Nov-2009 10:17:16] <rmatte> chris_d: and you'd need some half-way decent hardware
[20-Nov-2009 10:17:28] <rmatte> chris_d: lots of RAM, and ideally about 3GHz per
[20-Nov-2009 10:18:16] <rmatte> chris_d: probably about 8GB of RAM per (depending on the number of devices on each collector)
[20-Nov-2009 10:18:22] <rmatte> sounds like it'll be quite a few
[20-Nov-2009 10:19:09] <rmatte> chris_d: If you don't have many on a collector you could possibly get away with 4GB of RAM
[20-Nov-2009 10:19:33] <rmatte> chris_d: you'd really have to setup a test server and see how far you can push it on 4GB of RAM
[20-Nov-2009 10:19:39] <rmatte> and then upgrade to 8 if needed
[20-Nov-2009 10:19:45] <rmatte> then roll out the other collectors accordingly
[20-Nov-2009 10:20:01] <rmatte> but minimum of 3GHz per collector (seeing as 3GHz is basically nothing these days)
[20-Nov-2009 10:20:13] <chris_d> kk
[20-Nov-2009 10:20:15] <kobalt> comming in late I can tell you for switches about 1000 for 6 gigs
[20-Nov-2009 10:20:33] <rmatte> kobalt: 24 port?
[20-Nov-2009 10:20:38] <kobalt> I can push about 1200 but its starts to get slow
[20-Nov-2009 10:20:47] <chris_d> so if I said I need 8gb of ram running on dual quad core zenos @ 3ghz I should be ok?
[20-Nov-2009 10:20:48] <rmatte> kobalt: depends on the types of switches
[20-Nov-2009 10:21:13] <kobalt> 60 percent are 8 port the others are 48 port +
[20-Nov-2009 10:21:17] <chris_d> ^ kind of hardware would allow ~100 oid's per collector per cycle
[20-Nov-2009 10:21:34] <zenethian> This just in: productivity down 170% due to the release of New Super Mario Bros Wii
[20-Nov-2009 10:21:54] <kobalt> but I have a few 4500 series switches
[20-Nov-2009 10:21:55] <rmatte> chris_d: 100k? hmmmm, you're looking at 6GHz minimum with probably 16GB RAM (might be able to get away with less)
[20-Nov-2009 10:21:55] <twm1010> zenethian: hahaha, i took three days off for modern warfare 2 :)
[20-Nov-2009 10:22:02] <kobalt> err 4000 series
[20-Nov-2009 10:22:05] <zenethian> :D
[20-Nov-2009 10:22:29] <rmatte> when I say 6GHz I mean total
[20-Nov-2009 10:22:35] <rmatte> though going higher wouldn't hurt
[20-Nov-2009 10:23:13] <rmatte> and try to limit the cores to 4, don't do 8 or anything, Zenoss tends to run a lot better on 4 than 8 I've found
[20-Nov-2009 10:23:34] <kobalt> I have a dual quad on the way so Ill test it out hehe
[20-Nov-2009 10:23:42] <rmatte> kobalt: cool
[20-Nov-2009 10:23:47] <chris_d> okay so I get 3 boxes with 16gb ram and at least 6ghz I should be able to pull 400k oid per zenperf cycle
[20-Nov-2009 10:23:51] <kobalt> with 32 gb of ram
[20-Nov-2009 10:23:51] <zenethian> I want a quad quad.
[20-Nov-2009 10:23:58] <zenethian> just because it sounds cool
[20-Nov-2009 10:24:05] <twm1010> sigh... why does every mib browser app available have to be written in JAVA
[20-Nov-2009 10:24:24] <rmatte> chris_d: assuming you already have a box to do the other 100k requests, then yes
[20-Nov-2009 10:24:25] <chris_d> this is a budget excersise, actual server specs will have to be done after testing
[20-Nov-2009 10:24:34] <kobalt> twm1010: OID view from bytespere I dont think is java
[20-Nov-2009 10:24:53] <zenethian> there's nothing particularly bad about Java.
[20-Nov-2009 10:25:15] <rmatte> zenethian: I'm not a huge fan, but it's an alright language
[20-Nov-2009 10:25:32] <chris_d> rmatte so what would you think for the front end, zope server
[20-Nov-2009 10:25:46] <zenethian> Actually I hate the language. I just like the API and VM. Gimme Jython or Groovy and I'm happy.
[20-Nov-2009 10:25:48] <rmatte> chris_d: about the same I'd say
[20-Nov-2009 10:25:54] <chris_d> keep in mind that I am going to split mysql off
[20-Nov-2009 10:26:19] <rmatte> chris_d: might be able to get away with less processing power, but I wouldn't bother
[20-Nov-2009 10:26:24] <twm1010> zenethian: Maybe it's perception, every Java App I am forced to use is clunky, and runs like snot, and needs a different version of JVM!
[20-Nov-2009 10:26:26] <rmatte> anyways, I'm off to lunch
[20-Nov-2009 10:26:27] <rmatte> bbl
[20-Nov-2009 10:26:37] * zenethian grins
[20-Nov-2009 10:26:48] <cgibbons> that never happens with other languages :)
[20-Nov-2009 10:27:06] * zenethian mumbles about early .NET apps
[20-Nov-2009 10:27:30] <cgibbons> lord knows there aren't any python apps out there that are clunky or require specific versions of python different from all the others
[20-Nov-2009 10:27:42] * zenethian smirks
[20-Nov-2009 10:27:59] <twm1010> ok i get it, i'm being whiny, i'm past it, i swear
[20-Nov-2009 10:28:07] <twm1010> :: throws empty water bottle at monitor ::
[20-Nov-2009 10:28:17] * zenethian gives twm1010 a hug and some cookies
[20-Nov-2009 10:28:35] <cgibbons> when i get that way i mostly just complain about the lame coders that made the clunky app. lack of attention to detail and all that.
[20-Nov-2009 10:29:03] <twm1010> ok who was it that wanted to get a Disk I/O graph on the perf tab for Windows boxes?
[20-Nov-2009 10:29:17] <zenethian> Everyone who has windows boxes? :)
[20-Nov-2009 10:29:40] <zenethian> I'd install zenoss at home if I could do that.
[20-Nov-2009 10:30:52] <twm1010> well, i see the informant OID for the _TOTAL counter you could query, i suppose
[20-Nov-2009 10:32:35] <twm1010> ah, RoundQube it was
[20-Nov-2009 10:34:25] * zenethian hmms
[20-Nov-2009 10:34:35] <twm1010> Looking at this, it's a good question, why doesn't the standard windows device template graph _TOTAL Disk Reads/Writes/sec and Disk Queue length
[20-Nov-2009 10:34:46] <twm1010> should be quite easy
[20-Nov-2009 11:04:50] <cgibbons> are those physical disk or logical disk attributes?
[20-Nov-2009 11:27:22] <davetoo> so, topology discovery (pingtree) doesn't work if if you have the wrong netmask on your zenoss/collector box interface :| And you end up with weird things like /22 networks as children of /24 networks
[20-Nov-2009 11:30:41] <twm1010> cgibbons: logical
[20-Nov-2009 11:31:27] <twm1010> _Total would be the sum of all logical volumes, regardless of phys. device
[20-Nov-2009 11:31:56] <twm1010> It would be nice to break that up some more, by controller, or HBA, i suppose you could just keep going
[20-Nov-2009 11:58:44] <rmatte> davetoo: yeh, that's pretty screwy
[20-Nov-2009 11:58:50] <rmatte> bigegor: g'day
[20-Nov-2009 12:00:50] <twm1010> hello egor
[20-Nov-2009 12:01:55] <bigegor> hello
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[20-Nov-2009 13:48:56] <davetoo> quiet today
[20-Nov-2009 13:48:57] <davetoo> so..
[20-Nov-2009 13:49:11] <davetoo> how do I get custom RRD graph commands to be *prepended* to the template?
[20-Nov-2009 13:49:25] <davetoo> I want to add a CLI option
[20-Nov-2009 13:49:39] <davetoo> but they are appended after the default DEFs and CDEFs and such
[20-Nov-2009 13:50:01] <rmatte> davetoo: doubt it's possible
[20-Nov-2009 13:50:49] <davetoo> wanted to change the bacground color; have three different graphs in a big graph report
[20-Nov-2009 13:51:59] <davetoo> I could use a transparent area ... if... I could get around the autoscaling
[20-Nov-2009 13:52:19] <davetoo> I need them to autoscale so I cannot set fixed area y boundaries
[20-Nov-2009 13:52:47] <davetoo> Guess I'll have to be satisfied with changing line colors/styles for now
[20-Nov-2009 13:55:13] <davetoo> oh crap, but I only have a pulldown :( no LINE2
[20-Nov-2009 13:59:25] <davetoo> What's the story on multigraphs from disparate (remote) collectors now? Has that been fixed?
[20-Nov-2009 14:10:14] <kobalt> anyone know if there is a way to create a separate event class for specific devices, like a snmp_link_up for a group of devices that does one thing and then a snmp_link_up for all other devices
[20-Nov-2009 14:13:03] <rmatte> kobalt: well, you could use a transform which basically says if device is in this group, do this, otherwise, do this
[20-Nov-2009 14:15:20] <kobalt> trying to think what the syntax would be hehe
[20-Nov-2009 14:15:36] <kobalt> can you nest if statements in transforms
[20-Nov-2009 14:53:12] <davetoo> sure are a lot of lurkers here
[20-Nov-2009 14:55:31] <davetoo> I really want to find some kind of zope product that I can use along with the sitewindow portal, to create a self-contained MOTD portal, if not a gateway into a threaded discussion area, or running set of notices.
[20-Nov-2009 14:57:49] <chris_d> rmatte: so if I have 3 dist coll quad core 2.4 zenos 8mb cache 16gb of ram, seperate mysql. Do you think *guess* that this setup would be able to support 2600 (cisco routers/swithces) full snmp polling?
[20-Nov-2009 14:57:53] <chris_d> and be responsive?
[20-Nov-2009 14:58:22] <chris_d> cpu, mem, inteface stats
[20-Nov-2009 14:59:10] <davetoo> 2948s? or BFRs :)
[20-Nov-2009 15:00:18] <davetoo> The disk on the remote collectors will probably be the biggest bottleneck
[20-Nov-2009 15:16:21] <chris_d> they are 15k rpm drives
[20-Nov-2009 15:16:29] <chris_d> that should suffice, u think
[20-Nov-2009 15:16:50] <davetoo> raid?
[20-Nov-2009 15:16:58] <chris_d> yes
[20-Nov-2009 15:17:03] <davetoo> which mode?
[20-Nov-2009 15:17:15] <chris_d> undecided but the raid controller support up to 10
[20-Nov-2009 15:17:44] <davetoo> 10 (1+0) is a good choice
[20-Nov-2009 15:17:51] <rmatte> chris_d: think more processing power
[20-Nov-2009 15:18:09] <rmatte> chris_d: and yeh, you're going to need some fast disks for sure
[20-Nov-2009 15:18:34] <chris_d> so two intel zeon E5530 4c 2.4ghz 8mb l3 cache is not enough
[20-Nov-2009 15:18:51] <rmatte> thought you meant you were only going to have a single
[20-Nov-2009 15:18:57] <rmatte> with 2 that should do it
[20-Nov-2009 15:19:07] <davetoo> One nice thing about enterprise is that it's easy to expand/scale the remote collector farm (unless I'm missing something)
[20-Nov-2009 15:24:07] <rmatte> yeh it's a lot easier than in core
[20-Nov-2009 15:24:23] <rmatte> it does a lot of the work for you
[20-Nov-2009 16:10:29] <rmatte> lol, I went on a posting frenzy on the forums
[20-Nov-2009 16:10:36] <chemist> hello
[20-Nov-2009 16:10:40] <rmatte> hey
[20-Nov-2009 16:11:19] <chemist> can I apply this more thanonce to the same class? docs/DOC-2558
[20-Nov-2009 16:11:26] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Change Event Severity Based on Event Message Text (at community.zenoss.org)
[20-Nov-2009 16:12:04] <chemist> as in, can I have another transform with different text?
[20-Nov-2009 16:12:19] <rmatte> chemist: yes
[20-Nov-2009 16:12:30] <rmatte> chemist: just add an if statement for each message you want to set a severity for
[20-Nov-2009 16:13:12] <rmatte> if evt.message.find("text to find") >= 0:
[20-Nov-2009 16:13:12] <rmatte> evt.severity = 2
[20-Nov-2009 16:13:12] <rmatte> if evt.message.find("other text to find") >= 0:
[20-Nov-2009 16:13:12] <rmatte> evt.severity = 3
[20-Nov-2009 16:13:14] <rmatte> for example
[20-Nov-2009 16:13:23] <rmatte> though instead of using find I'd personally do it like...
[20-Nov-2009 16:14:11] <Rocinante> rmatte: I'm stracing zenstatus, got it down to it looping on a select of a pipe.. now trying to find out what's supposed to be on the other end of that pipe :>
[20-Nov-2009 16:14:14] <rmatte> import re
[20-Nov-2009 16:14:14] <rmatte> if re.match("text to find", evt.message):
[20-Nov-2009 16:14:15] <rmatte> evt.severity = 3
[20-Nov-2009 16:14:26] <rmatte> or re.search if you don't need a perfect match and only want to search part of it
[20-Nov-2009 16:14:42] <rmatte> Rocinante: cool
[20-Nov-2009 16:15:15] <chemist> ok, is that a personal preference or is there some science behid it?
[20-Nov-2009 16:15:20] <rmatte> you only need to do the import re once
[20-Nov-2009 16:15:34] <rmatte> It just makes more sense in my opinion
[20-Nov-2009 16:15:44] <rmatte> since re is regex matching which is designed for matching text
[20-Nov-2009 16:15:55] <rmatte> so you don't have to do the whole >=0 bit
[20-Nov-2009 16:16:04] <chemist> i c
[20-Nov-2009 16:16:10] <rmatte> plus it gives you more flexibility if you only want to do it on an exact match or a partial match
[20-Nov-2009 16:16:17] <rmatte> re.match for exact and re.search for partial
[20-Nov-2009 16:16:28] <chemist> makes sense
[20-Nov-2009 16:17:51] <rmatte> you can also use regex syntax, like if you wanted to apply something to any message that comes in with a blank summary you could do something like re.match("^$", evt.summary)
[20-Nov-2009 16:17:57] <Rocinante> rmatte: I also replied to your post, but as an email; I don't know if the email came in okay, but on the forums it was blank so I just edited it
[20-Nov-2009 16:18:29] <rmatte> yeh, it came in blank
[20-Nov-2009 16:19:34] <rmatte> dmd isn't already presented though apparently, that's the thing
[20-Nov-2009 16:20:23] <rmatte> if I remove the dmd definition from the transform I get a message in zenhub stating that the transform couldn't be processed as dmd is not defined
[20-Nov-2009 16:20:32] <rmatte> but anyways, I need to head out
[20-Nov-2009 16:21:31] <rmatte> talk to you guys on Monday
[20-Nov-2009 16:21:38] <chemist> bye
[20-Nov-2009 16:22:19] <rmatte> later
[20-Nov-2009 16:43:17] <kobalt> how would you do 2 compares for a transform aka if evt.DeviceClass != "Blah" && evt.severity == 0: ?
[20-Nov-2009 16:45:34] <davetoo> A Transform, I believe, can be a full-on python fragment, not just a single expression.
[20-Nov-2009 16:46:04] <kobalt> I think I found it I have if evt.DeviceClass !="/blah" and evt.severity == 0:
[20-Nov-2009 16:46:13] <Rocinante> Replace '&&' with 'and' and I think you've got it
[20-Nov-2009 16:46:17] <Rocinante> Yep, that :P
[20-Nov-2009 16:46:22] <kobalt> sweet
[20-Nov-2009 16:46:23] <kobalt> thanks!
[20-Nov-2009 16:48:48] * davetoo is tired, should have caught that
[20-Nov-2009 16:49:42] <cgibbons> hurm pouf
[20-Nov-2009 16:50:24] <davetoo> disappeard into the weekend
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[22-Nov-2009 03:29:30] <abou_7anash_009> hi is there a way to monitor if zenoss is up and running ? I am monitoring
[22-Nov-2009 03:29:55] <abou_7anash_009> through zenoss but i want one of the servers to monitor that zenoss is up
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[23-Nov-2009 03:16:13] <Dieterbe> hi, i had to restart the machine that runs zenoss for something, and now all of a sudden i'm getting a huge amount of email alerts (i tried to setup mailig earlier but it didn't work). removed the email adress from the alerting rule and saved it, but it keeps on sending mails. when i stop zenoss, the mailing stops, when i start it, the mailing starts. all the events have a timestamp of the current time. how do i stop it from spammi
[23-Nov-2009 03:22:07] <Troubadix09> hi all
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[23-Nov-2009 08:52:58] <ke4qqq> anyone have thought on building layer-2 topology maps based on jcurry's bridge zenpack?
[23-Nov-2009 09:21:31] <ke4qqq> npmccallum: to follow up on our conversation from LISA re L2 topology mapping - thoughts on using the info grabbed by jcurry's bridge zenpack to begin building the map - won't be 100%, but I'd guess it'd handle at least Cisco and HP
[23-Nov-2009 09:39:29] <sloof3> I seem to suddenly have lost all my recorded data in ZenOSS. Nothing older than 1 day.
[23-Nov-2009 09:40:16] <sloof3> Correction about 32 hours. When I should have at least 45 days.
[23-Nov-2009 09:40:48] <rmatte> sloof3: odd, you wouldn't have happened to somehow change the value for Event Manager -> Delete Historical Events Older Than (days)?
[23-Nov-2009 10:01:05] <sloof3> rmatte: Nope
[23-Nov-2009 10:01:18] <sloof3> It's set to 0
[23-Nov-2009 10:02:47] <rmatte> hmmmm, does 0 actually work for unlimited for that though?
[23-Nov-2009 10:02:55] <rmatte> I've seen some values where it does and some where it doesn't
[23-Nov-2009 10:03:28] <rmatte> ah, apparently it does
[23-Nov-2009 10:03:29] <rmatte> hmmm
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[23-Nov-2009 10:40:29] <l2huynh> I just have one quick question guys: are snmp v3 traps supported for current zenoss version?
[23-Nov-2009 10:41:32] <rmatte> yes
[23-Nov-2009 10:41:44] <rmatte> snmp v3 is fully supported (has been for quite a while)
[23-Nov-2009 10:42:18] <l2huynh> thanx ryan
[23-Nov-2009 10:44:41] <rmatte> np
[23-Nov-2009 10:46:44] <rmatte> l2huynh: I was under the impression that it was
[23-Nov-2009 10:47:10] <rmatte> l2huynh: seems a bit useless to allow polling in v3 but not trapping
[23-Nov-2009 10:48:17] <l2huynh> don't know if we can get confirmation from dev
[23-Nov-2009 10:49:33] <l2huynh> docs/DOC-3872
[23-Nov-2009 10:49:43] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - B.2. SNMP V3 Support (at community.zenoss.org)
[23-Nov-2009 10:51:09] <rmatte> oh well, snmpv3 isn't all that useful anyways
[23-Nov-2009 10:55:08] <l2huynh> I just have some security concern because I'm going to have to monitor a c2611xm in halifax
[23-Nov-2009 11:23:50] <kobalt> anyone know how zentrap processes the traps in relationship to matching IP's? aka a trap comes in with an ip does it query the host file then dns? or does it look somewhere internal for the ip and hostname
[23-Nov-2009 11:28:42] <kobalt> wow quiet morning
[23-Nov-2009 11:33:25] <rmatte> man, ntop is a great netflow monitoring tool
[23-Nov-2009 11:34:45] <kobalt> is it open source?
[23-Nov-2009 11:38:05] <kobalt> ahh the linux ntop
[23-Nov-2009 11:43:44] <rmatte> yeh
[23-Nov-2009 11:43:57] <rmatte> it takes like 3 seconds to setup for netflow monitoring
[23-Nov-2009 11:44:05] <rmatte> and the interface is quite nice
[23-Nov-2009 11:45:27] <rmatte> kobalt: it would look for the IP in Zope
[23-Nov-2009 11:45:53] <rmatte> kobalt: all it cares about is that there is a device in Zenoss, if there is then the trap comes in for that device name (whatever the device name is set to in Zenoss)
[23-Nov-2009 11:46:12] <rmatte> kobalt: If it can't find the device in Zenoss then it just comes in for the IP address that the trap originated from
[23-Nov-2009 11:46:19] <rmatte> there is no use of the hosts file to my knowledge
[23-Nov-2009 11:47:13] <rmatte> let me guess, you're trying to make traps from a different device look like they are coming in for a device in Zenoss?
[23-Nov-2009 11:47:38] <kobalt> rmatte: hrmm well the porblem I am having is that is is associating traps that are NAT'D to another ip but the source is still being displayed and sometimes assigning it to other devices that happen to have that ip assigned to a vlan
[23-Nov-2009 11:47:56] <kobalt> I monitor 12 networks so I have to NAT them
[23-Nov-2009 11:48:08] <kobalt> but the trap still has the orignial source
[23-Nov-2009 11:48:40] <rmatte> when you say it has the original source, you mean under details?
[23-Nov-2009 11:48:56] <rmatte> or the actual event ipAddress comes in with the original source?
[23-Nov-2009 11:49:23] <kobalt> so the device's orignal ip is 172.24.0.1 and I NAT it to 10.10.2.1 the trap comes from 172.24.0.1 when it hits zenoss
[23-Nov-2009 11:49:46] <rmatte> right, because SNMP's behaviour is to include the originating IP in the trap
[23-Nov-2009 11:50:05] <rmatte> you know, agent based monitoring is much more suited for NAT type situations like that
[23-Nov-2009 11:50:18] <kobalt> Agent based?
[23-Nov-2009 11:50:22] <rmatte> agentless monitoring is not really designed for networks that are all NATed up
[23-Nov-2009 11:50:39] <rmatte> yeh, as in, you have something installed on each segment of the network which feeds back to you
[23-Nov-2009 11:50:50] <rmatte> then you don't care about the IP address schema
[23-Nov-2009 11:51:19] <kobalt> yeah well then I would have to have 13 servers or insances of zenoss
[23-Nov-2009 11:51:34] <rmatte> Zenoss is agentless monitoring, so it obviously operates better when you're not dealing with tons of NAting
[23-Nov-2009 11:52:50] <kobalt> wonder if there is a way I can work around this
[23-Nov-2009 11:52:57] <kobalt> some of my devices work fine
[23-Nov-2009 11:53:08] <rmatte> If you could install remote collectors on each segment
[23-Nov-2009 11:53:14] <kobalt> but I think thats because the ip's have routes
[23-Nov-2009 11:53:35] <rmatte> yeh, anything with direct routes will obviously work fine
[23-Nov-2009 11:53:36] <kobalt> on the devices
[23-Nov-2009 11:54:22] <kobalt> wonder if I manually add a route to each device with its NAT'd ip if it would work, I dont think I have network overlap yet
[23-Nov-2009 11:55:12] <rmatte> it's possible
[23-Nov-2009 11:55:32] <kobalt> I am setting up a remote collecter to collect from the 11 networks and then the main server to collect from the rest of our network
[23-Nov-2009 11:55:38] <rmatte> as soon as you have network overlap though, then it's all over
[23-Nov-2009 11:57:24] <kobalt> yeah and I cant control what ip's they use
[23-Nov-2009 11:57:43] <kobalt> if I could get zenoss to look at the host file it would be fine
[23-Nov-2009 11:58:02] <kobalt> cause I have the Nat translation setup in the host file
[23-Nov-2009 11:58:53] <rmatte> it'll look at the hosts file for anything other than traps
[23-Nov-2009 11:59:37] <kobalt> wonder how much coding it will take to get it to work properly
[23-Nov-2009 11:59:53] <rmatte> no idea
[23-Nov-2009 12:00:00] <rmatte> there may be a good reason why it doesn't though
[23-Nov-2009 12:23:13] <Rocinante> Bleh.. remote collectors requires an enterprise subscription doesn't it?
[23-Nov-2009 12:23:32] <rmatte> no, it's possible to do with Core, it's just more involved
[23-Nov-2009 12:24:09] <Rocinante> Hm.. maybe when I'm bored I'll look at setting that up to monitor the nodes on the cluster then :>
[23-Nov-2009 12:26:03] <rmatte> Rocinante:
[23-Nov-2009 12:26:05] <rmatte> docs/DOC-2522
[23-Nov-2009 12:26:11] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - How to use distributed collectors (at community.zenoss.org)
[23-Nov-2009 12:31:56] <Rocinante> Ooo, thanks.. that gets bookmarked for aforementioned boredom resolution
[23-Nov-2009 12:32:17] <rmatte> np
[23-Nov-2009 12:32:31] <rmatte> I've tried it before and got everything working except for RRDs
[23-Nov-2009 12:32:42] <rmatte> but I never really dug in to it to try and fix that
[23-Nov-2009 13:29:45] <gwb2353> for an auto detected IP Service(s) how do you change the Ips associated with it (i.e. need to remove one IP that the http service doesn't run on) ?
[23-Nov-2009 13:31:15] <rmatte> gwb2353: click on it and edit the Ip Addresses field I assume
[23-Nov-2009 13:31:27] <gwb2353> yeah, that box doesn't allow editing
[23-Nov-2009 13:31:37] <rmatte> what?
[23-Nov-2009 13:31:49] <rmatte> I'm talking about in Zenoss
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:08] <gwb2353> if i click on the "http" service (in zenoss) the Ip Addresses associated with it are not an editable field
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:16] <rmatte> is it locked?
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:19] <rmatte> if so, unlock it
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:27] <gwb2353> no locks
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:34] <rmatte> that doesn't even make sense
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:45] <rmatte> if it were locked from updates and edits then yes
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:49] <rmatte> do you not have admin rights?
[23-Nov-2009 13:32:55] <gwb2353> yes
[23-Nov-2009 13:33:16] <rmatte> you're 110% sure the IpService is not locked
[23-Nov-2009 13:33:37] <gwb2353> There's nothing in the "locks" bit for os/tcp_00080
[23-Nov-2009 13:33:39] <rmatte> If so, then delete the IpService and re-add it by hand
[23-Nov-2009 13:33:42] <ke4qqq> what about the entire group of ipservices.
[23-Nov-2009 13:33:57] <rmatte> is the whole device locked?
[23-Nov-2009 13:34:10] <gwb2353> i doubt it, i just added the device
[23-Nov-2009 13:34:14] <gwb2353> (new host)
[23-Nov-2009 13:34:31] <rmatte> no idea then, I've never seen anything like that happen with an IpService
[23-Nov-2009 13:34:48] <rmatte> delete the IpService and re-add it by hand
[23-Nov-2009 13:37:43] <gwb2353> i guess i can delete and re-add by hand and then lock them? (so model device doesn't re-add the incorrect IP) ?
[23-Nov-2009 13:50:42] <rmatte> yes
[23-Nov-2009 14:57:20] <rmatte> pretty quiet in here today
[23-Nov-2009 15:01:13] <rmatte> npmccallum: any good with transforms?
[23-Nov-2009 15:01:29] <npmccallum> rmatte: I guess :)
[23-Nov-2009 15:01:33] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/f2e6d74a2
[23-Nov-2009 15:01:42] <rmatte> any idea why Zenoss doesn't like that one?
[23-Nov-2009 15:01:43] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[23-Nov-2009 15:02:01] <rmatte> (I worked on it last Friday and couldn't get it to work)....
[23-Nov-2009 15:02:24] <rmatte> basically, I have this one wireless controller that sends traps for all sorts of different accesspoints attached to it
[23-Nov-2009 15:02:51] <rmatte> in each trap there's a detail called bsnId
[23-Nov-2009 15:03:01] <rmatte> which corresponds to which wireless base station the trap came in for
[23-Nov-2009 15:03:19] <rmatte> the base stations very often have wireless interface resets which last less than a second
[23-Nov-2009 15:03:27] <rmatte> so I get an up and a down event almost simultaneously
[23-Nov-2009 15:03:46] <npmccallum> how is it failing?
[23-Nov-2009 15:04:08] <rmatte> well, if I remove the import and defining of dmd it fails with dmd not set
[23-Nov-2009 15:04:17] <rmatte> when I add that stuff in it just fails with "exit 2"
[23-Nov-2009 15:05:11] <rmatte> the trap should scan the current events, if it finds one with "Wireless Interface is DOWN" in the summary and with a matching base station ID it should move it to history automatically and then historify itself
[23-Nov-2009 15:05:37] <rmatte> basically eliminating the quick resets so that only actual impact events where the interface actually goes down and stays down are alerted on
[23-Nov-2009 15:06:23] <rmatte> I can't personally see what Zenoss could be choking on.
[23-Nov-2009 15:06:48] <rmatte> (I'm using txnCommit() instead of Commit() since that apparently works better in transforms)
[23-Nov-2009 15:09:34] <rmatte> but yeh, I'm stumped, the script would most likely work fine in zendmd (provided I did evt = dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventDetailFromStatusOrHistory('evid of some event') first
[23-Nov-2009 15:09:52] <rmatte> actually, I'm going to try that...
[23-Nov-2009 15:14:22] <rmatte> hmmm, well it didn't error but it also didn't work
[23-Nov-2009 15:14:23] <rmatte> weird
[23-Nov-2009 15:18:23] <rmatte> maybe it's not liking "cevt._action = 'history'"
[23-Nov-2009 15:18:27] <rmatte> I just assumed it would work
[23-Nov-2009 15:24:19] <npmccallum> I'm not really sure TBH
[23-Nov-2009 15:27:40] <rmatte> all good
[23-Nov-2009 15:27:50] <rmatte> I think I'm just going to give up on it
[23-Nov-2009 16:05:32] <ke4qqq> so apparently zenoss adds something that removing the rpm doesn't pull out. I have a box I wanted to strip 2.4.5 out, and install 2.5.1 in my box. I can reprovision, but trying to be lazy and do so. I have dropped the database, rm -rfED /home/zenoss and /opt/zenoss - yet it still tries to 'migrate' but fails. what am I missing that Zenoss is finding and trying to 'migrate' when I do my 'fresh' install?
[23-Nov-2009 16:06:01] <ke4qqq> ohhh and I rpm -e zenoss-2.4.5
[23-Nov-2009 16:06:08] <rhettardo> remote the zenoss user and its home dir
[23-Nov-2009 16:06:11] <rhettardo> remove
[23-Nov-2009 16:22:56] <zsprackett> hi, i did something really silly and i'm hoping someone will give me an idea as to how to fix it
[23-Nov-2009 16:23:18] <zsprackett> basically, i did this in zendmd
[23-Nov-2009 16:23:20] <zsprackett> for ips in d.os.ipservices():
[23-Nov-2009 16:23:21] <zsprackett> if ips.name() == "smtp":
[23-Nov-2009 16:23:21] <zsprackett> ips.name = "bleh"
[23-Nov-2009 16:23:21] <zsprackett> commit()
[23-Nov-2009 16:23:36] <zsprackett> which is obviously not what i meant to do
[23-Nov-2009 16:24:05] <zsprackett> but now i've broken the web interface and can't figure out how to delete the service with zendmd
[23-Nov-2009 16:24:12] <kobalt> just do the reverse?
[23-Nov-2009 16:24:37] <kobalt> if ips.name()=="bleh"
[23-Nov-2009 16:25:11] <kobalt> ips.name="SMTP"
[23-Nov-2009 16:25:22] <zsprackett> it's not supposed to be a string though
[23-Nov-2009 16:25:24] <kobalt> or "smtp" but you get the ideah
[23-Nov-2009 16:25:31] <zsprackett> basically i've overwritten the method with a string
[23-Nov-2009 16:25:56] <kobalt> ah lol no idea then
[23-Nov-2009 16:26:17] <rmatte> that's why you need to be insanely careful with zendmd lol
[23-Nov-2009 16:26:40] <rmatte> not sure how you'd put that back the way it was
[23-Nov-2009 16:26:55] <rmatte> you'd have to use some function
[23-Nov-2009 16:26:59] <zsprackett> services = dev.os.ipservices()
[23-Nov-2009 16:26:59] <zsprackett> for s in services:
[23-Nov-2009 16:26:59] <zsprackett> print s
[23-Nov-2009 16:26:59] <zsprackett> try:
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:00] <zsprackett> print s.name()
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:00] <zsprackett> except:
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:02] <zsprackett> "not a callable %s" % s
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:28] <zsprackett> <IpService at http>
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:28] <zsprackett> 'not a callable <IpService at http>'
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:28] <zsprackett> <IpService at tcp_00022>
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:29] <zsprackett> ssh
[23-Nov-2009 16:27:49] <rmatte> have you tried removing it via ZMI?
[23-Nov-2009 16:28:08] <zsprackett> it's broken the webui
[23-Nov-2009 16:28:16] <rmatte> even ZMI?
[23-Nov-2009 16:28:24] <rmatte> ZMI is separate from the rest of the web UI
[23-Nov-2009 16:28:43] <rmatte> if you do http://host:8080/zport/dmd/manage
[23-Nov-2009 16:28:45] <rmatte> can you get to it?
[23-Nov-2009 16:29:09] <rmatte> If not then you're in quite the pickle
[23-Nov-2009 16:29:45] <zsprackett> i don't seem to have access
[23-Nov-2009 16:29:56] <rmatte> hmmm
[23-Nov-2009 16:30:18] <rmatte> you'll need to find the function for actually deleting an ipservice
[23-Nov-2009 16:30:35] <zsprackett> deleteIpServices looks like what i want
[23-Nov-2009 16:30:37] <rmatte> and then do the reverse (if ips.name()=="bleh")
[23-Nov-2009 16:30:42] <zsprackett> but i can't figure out how to call it
[23-Nov-2009 16:30:45] <rmatte> and have it delete each bad instance
[23-Nov-2009 16:31:34] <zsprackett> i found an admin accound for zmi
[23-Nov-2009 16:31:54] <zsprackett> account
[23-Nov-2009 16:32:24] <rmatte> ok, so you should be able to delete the bad ipservices from in ZMI
[23-Nov-2009 16:35:34] <zsprackett> i'm not sure i understand this ui enough to be using it
[23-Nov-2009 16:37:55] <zsprackett> sigh
[23-Nov-2009 16:38:10] <zsprackett> rmatte, thanks for the pointers, it gives me something to look into
[23-Nov-2009 16:48:14] <zsprackett> when i try to delete it in zmi i get an error
[23-Nov-2009 16:48:24] <zsprackett> i've screwed things up good
[23-Nov-2009 17:00:35] <rmatte> brutal, sounds like the sort of thing that only Chet could fix lol
[23-Nov-2009 17:03:06] <rmatte> well, I'm heading home, be back tomorrow
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:22] <zsprackett> i've got it down to 1 error in one service
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:27] <zsprackett> Type: BadRequest
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:27] <zsprackett> Value: tcp_08080 does not exist
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:27] <zsprackett> Traceback (innermost last):
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:28] <zsprackett> Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 114, in publish
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:28] <zsprackett> Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:28] <zsprackett> Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 40, in call_object
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:29] <zsprackett> Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 492, in manage_delObjects
[23-Nov-2009 18:38:31] <zsprackett> BadRequest: tcp_08080 does not exist
[23-Nov-2009 18:41:04] <zsprackett> i can't click on it or anything in zmi
[23-Nov-2009 18:41:07] <zsprackett> or delete it
[23-Nov-2009 18:41:36] <zsprackett> so close yet so far :)
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[23-Nov-2009 23:39:44] <ironpaw> ayone around?
[23-Nov-2009 23:39:47] <ironpaw> anyone even?
[23-Nov-2009 23:40:00] <ironpaw> trying to set a different snmp diskspace threshold on zenoss core
[23-Nov-2009 23:40:07] <ironpaw> yeh
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[24-Nov-2009 02:55:13] <Troubadix09> HI all
[24-Nov-2009 07:49:17] kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal
[24-Nov-2009 08:01:47] <wayland> Hey all... i have tried install zenoss on freebsd but i have alot segmentation faults, and i was just wondering what to do about it?
[24-Nov-2009 08:08:36] <mrayzenoss> did you build from source?
[24-Nov-2009 08:10:45] <chemist> hello all
[24-Nov-2009 08:11:03] <chemist> is there a doc anywhere on how to configure a collector?
[24-Nov-2009 08:11:20] <chemist> looked on zenoss.org and can't seem to find it
[24-Nov-2009 08:17:01] <mrayzenoss> Here are the 2 wiki entries I know of: http://delicious.com/mray/collectors
[24-Nov-2009 08:17:11] <adytum-bot> Title: mray's collectors Bookmarks on Delicious (at delicious.com)
[24-Nov-2009 08:19:26] <chemist> thanks mrayzenoss
[24-Nov-2009 08:22:26] <wayland> mrayzenoss: yes, i did
[24-Nov-2009 08:23:21] <mrayzenoss> wayland: there are some FreeBSD guys in the channel occasionally, maybe they can help. Or you can try posting to groups/freebsd
[24-Nov-2009 08:23:25] <wayland> mrayzenoss: i used this guide to compile it: docs/DOC-3514
[24-Nov-2009 08:23:29] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Group: FreeBSD (at community.zenoss.org)
[24-Nov-2009 08:23:36] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Install/Upgrade Zenoss 2.4.1 on FreeBSD 7.x (at community.zenoss.org)
[24-Nov-2009 08:24:04] <mrayzenoss> yeah, I don't run FreeBSD but I try to help you guys find and help each other
[24-Nov-2009 08:27:12] <wayland> ok
[24-Nov-2009 08:32:05] <zenethian> o/` match maker match maker make me a match! o/`
[24-Nov-2009 09:25:34] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: welcome back
[24-Nov-2009 09:25:42] <mrayzenoss> thanks
[24-Nov-2009 10:01:30] <ke4qqq> mrayzenoss: welcome back
[24-Nov-2009 10:01:42] <rmatte> I wish I could find a working example of a transform which utilizes dmd.whatever
[24-Nov-2009 10:06:09] <rmatte> but apparently it's not possible to use something like "for e in dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventList():" in an event transform
[24-Nov-2009 10:06:29] <rmatte> which is a bit odd, because I was under the impression that you could basically do anything in a transform that you can in zendmd
[24-Nov-2009 10:06:32] <rmatte> but evidently not
[24-Nov-2009 10:13:55] <rmatte> and apparently I'm far from the first person to come across this issue
[24-Nov-2009 10:14:09] * rmatte ponders if this qualifies as a bug or feature enhancement
[24-Nov-2009 10:21:48] <cgibbons> did you try self.dmd, rmatte?
[24-Nov-2009 10:22:47] <rmatte> cgibbons: no, I haven't, didn't even think about it
[24-Nov-2009 10:22:59] <rmatte> cgibbons: so use self.dmd and trash the imports?
[24-Nov-2009 10:23:17] <cgibbons> well if you're hacking worth a shot
[24-Nov-2009 10:23:25] kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal
[24-Nov-2009 10:23:30] <rmatte> yeh, I'll give it a go, thanks for the idea
[24-Nov-2009 10:24:44] <cgibbons> although perhaps not. have you looked at the applyTransform method in EventClassInst.py? it looks like it defines a dmd variable for the transform to get.
[24-Nov-2009 10:25:03] <rmatte> yeh, I know that it looks that way, but it actually doesn't
[24-Nov-2009 10:25:15] <rmatte> if I don't specifically define dmd = whatever it complains that dmd doesn't exist
[24-Nov-2009 10:25:20] <rmatte> unless it's called on some other way
[24-Nov-2009 10:26:31] <rmatte> This is what I was trying: http://pastebin.com/f2e6d74a2
[24-Nov-2009 10:26:40] <rmatte> This is what I'm trying now: http://pastebin.com/m1cb8657f
[24-Nov-2009 10:26:40] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[24-Nov-2009 10:26:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[24-Nov-2009 10:27:54] <rmatte> hopefully I can get something to work
[24-Nov-2009 10:29:03] <rmatte> need to wait for more traps to come in to see if this works
[24-Nov-2009 10:32:01] <rmatte> hmmm, I just looked through the applyTransform function again, and it doesn't seem to be setting dmd?
[24-Nov-2009 10:32:12] <rmatte> (This is 2.4.5 by the way)
[24-Nov-2009 10:32:30] <rmatte> I'll check the 2.5.1 code, maybe it has changed.
[24-Nov-2009 10:33:51] <rmatte> yeh, figures...
[24-Nov-2009 10:33:53] <rmatte> in 2.4.5...
[24-Nov-2009 10:33:54] <rmatte> variables_and_funcs = {
[24-Nov-2009 10:33:54] <rmatte> 'evt':evt, 'device':device, 'dev':device,
[24-Nov-2009 10:33:54] <rmatte> 'convToUnits':convToUnits, 'zdecode':zdecode,
[24-Nov-2009 10:33:54] <rmatte> 'txnCommit':transaction.commit
[24-Nov-2009 10:34:00] <rmatte> in 2.5.1...
[24-Nov-2009 10:34:05] <rmatte> variables_and_funcs = {
[24-Nov-2009 10:34:05] <rmatte> 'evt':evt, 'device':device, 'dev':device,
[24-Nov-2009 10:34:05] <rmatte> 'convToUnits':convToUnits, 'zdecode':zdecode,
[24-Nov-2009 10:34:05] <rmatte> 'txnCommit':transaction.commit, 'dmd':self.dmd,
[24-Nov-2009 10:34:06] <rmatte> 'log':log,
[24-Nov-2009 10:34:38] <rmatte> wonder if the patch for that would work on 2.4.5
[24-Nov-2009 10:36:09] <rmatte> the self.dmd didn't work
[24-Nov-2009 10:41:17] <rmatte> if there actually is a zenpatch for that
[24-Nov-2009 10:43:42] <rmatte> hmmm, there isn't from what I can see
[24-Nov-2009 10:44:33] <cgibbons> changeset 14049 is where it got added
[24-Nov-2009 10:44:58] <rmatte> ah, so I can just zenpatch 14049
[24-Nov-2009 10:45:38] <rmatte> time to test it out
[24-Nov-2009 10:46:02] <tripitaka> Hi, I'm using 2.4.5, and I cannot get disk usage thresholds to work. Under "/Devices /Server /Templates /FileSystem" I have a threshold with a max value of "here.getTotalBlocks() * 0.80", but partitions with 95% usage are not generating events
[24-Nov-2009 10:46:14] <tripitaka> what should I be looking for?
[24-Nov-2009 10:48:44] <rmatte> tripitaka: make sure that's the exact filesystem template that those devices are using
[24-Nov-2009 10:49:23] <rmatte> also, if you changed the template just recently, go to the templates page and do Manage -> Push Changes
[24-Nov-2009 10:52:36] <rmatte> ok, patch applied, time to see if this works...
[24-Nov-2009 10:54:01] <tripitaka> rmatte: no changes recently. If I go to a server and click the OS tab, I can see the C:\ drive is at 90% usage. I click on the mount link to see the graph, then on the template tab, the path is /Devices/Server/Filesystem. I click no the 'Filesystem' link and it takes me to the template with the "here.getTotalBlocks() * 0.80" threshold
[24-Nov-2009 10:54:34] <tripitaka> the status for that server shows filesystem as green, no events generated
[24-Nov-2009 10:55:27] <rmatte> and if you look at the graph, is there fresh data?
[24-Nov-2009 10:56:32] <rmatte> are all of your Zenoss processes running?
[24-Nov-2009 10:56:33] <tripitaka> yep, graph shows todays date, the time in the graph is about 4 minutes ago
[24-Nov-2009 10:56:51] <tripitaka> all running
[24-Nov-2009 10:57:31] <rmatte> the threshold isn't disabled or anything?
[24-Nov-2009 10:57:49] <rmatte> have you tried restarting Zenoss?
[24-Nov-2009 11:00:07] <tripitaka> I have just restarted, no events generated. the threshold looks like this: http://pastebin.com/m735e2bd2
[24-Nov-2009 11:00:19] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[24-Nov-2009 11:01:39] <rmatte> the thresholds wouldn't just instantly generate after the restart
[24-Nov-2009 11:01:46] <rmatte> zenperfsnmp needs to complete a polling cycle
[24-Nov-2009 11:01:49] <rmatte> give it a few minutes
[24-Nov-2009 11:02:11] <rmatte> check $ZENHOME/log/zenperfsnmp.log
[24-Nov-2009 11:02:18] <rmatte> see if there's any errors relating to thresholds
[24-Nov-2009 11:05:13] <tripitaka> ok, the graph has refreshed - I restarted zenoss at 16:58 and the graph is timestamped 17:01, the status is showing green
[24-Nov-2009 11:05:18] <tripitaka> no errors in zenperfsnmp.log
[24-Nov-2009 11:06:45] <rmatte> then I've no idea, the only reason I can think of is that the template is not properly bound to that device
[24-Nov-2009 11:07:38] <rmatte> then again if you're seeing a graph it should be
[24-Nov-2009 11:09:09] <rmatte> at this point I'm out of ideas, I've never seen thresholds just suddenly stop working
[24-Nov-2009 11:09:24] <rmatte> perhaps you need to remodel the device?
[24-Nov-2009 11:09:34] <rmatte> maybe the drive data stored in Zope is incorrect
[24-Nov-2009 11:10:12] <rmatte> If Zope thinks the drive is larger than it really is
[24-Nov-2009 11:11:16] <tripitaka> I'm going to delete and readd the device
[24-Nov-2009 11:11:36] <rmatte> k
[24-Nov-2009 11:12:52] <rmatte> omg, I think this transform finally works
[24-Nov-2009 11:13:00] * rmatte does a dance
[24-Nov-2009 11:20:27] <rmatte> cgibbons: thanks for the info about the changeset, it worked
[24-Nov-2009 11:29:22] <rmatte> I'm sure our front line guys will appreciate not having to close 30 wireless interface tickets per hour now
[24-Nov-2009 11:35:17] <gwb2352> is there an equivalent to zenbatchload that I can use to change device information programmatically ?
[24-Nov-2009 11:35:32] <gwb2352> (for devices that already exist)
[24-Nov-2009 11:35:43] <gwb2352> or do i just bit the bullet and learn the zendmd interface?
[24-Nov-2009 11:36:22] <tripitaka> rmatte: I deleted a device which I was getting up to date disk graphs for, and added it again. I can see it has gone through two snmp collection cycles. It can see the (accurate) total sizes of each disk, but the used/free/util values are all 'unknown', and the graph is showing 'nan%'
[24-Nov-2009 11:36:42] <chemist> does anybody know how often the synthetic web transaction zenpack checks a website? and how to change it?
[24-Nov-2009 11:36:51] <tripitaka> am I being impatient? :D
[24-Nov-2009 11:37:18] <chemist> tripitaka: 15 minute rule I think
[24-Nov-2009 11:37:41] * tripitaka taps fingers vigorously
[24-Nov-2009 11:39:03] <mrayzenoss> chemist: I believe it's controlled by the zCommandCycleTime
[24-Nov-2009 11:39:42] <chemist> in zProperties?
[24-Nov-2009 11:41:32] <mrayzenoss> yup
[24-Nov-2009 11:45:07] <tripitaka> ok, graph is showing data now. The disk shows 88% full. The threshold linked to from the graph has a threshold max value "here.getTotalBlocks() * 0.80", and the disk is showing green, no alerts
[24-Nov-2009 11:47:39] <rmatte> tripitaka: yeh, you are
[24-Nov-2009 11:47:50] <rmatte> tripitaka: it takes 3 polling cycles for data to populate in RRD
[24-Nov-2009 11:48:18] <rmatte> tripitaka: don't know what to tell you at this point, I've never seen it not work
[24-Nov-2009 11:48:35] <rmatte> tripitaka: and we seem to have covered all of the bases of what could be causing it
[24-Nov-2009 11:49:07] <rmatte> tripitaka: unless you have something that's auto-clearing the events as they come in.
[24-Nov-2009 11:49:40] <tripitaka> what would that look like? A transform?
[24-Nov-2009 11:53:36] <rmatte> If you don't know what it is then I doubt that's the issue
[24-Nov-2009 11:53:59] <rmatte> but you really should read up on event transforms, they are your bread and butter in Zenoss
[24-Nov-2009 11:54:46] <rmatte> it might be a transform, yeh
[24-Nov-2009 11:54:58] <rmatte> or just an event mapping with zProperty set to clear the events
[24-Nov-2009 12:30:12] <eidolon> man, i thoguth i -almost- had it! trying to get a vhost monitor working (basically a url monitor) shouldn't be this complex :(
[24-Nov-2009 12:32:28] <eidolon> also, i want to tickle a monitor somehow. trigger it to poll for data Right Now. :-/
[24-Nov-2009 12:37:17] <rmatte> eidolon: you're just looking to basically monitor a particular web address?
[24-Nov-2009 12:37:47] kevin7kal_ is now known as kevin7kal
[24-Nov-2009 12:38:08] <eidolon> a particular URL
[24-Nov-2009 12:38:24] <eidolon> right now i'm getting 400 bad request... but i'd really like to see what url it's trying to use
[24-Nov-2009 12:38:39] <rmatte> are you not using the httpmon ZenPack?
[24-Nov-2009 12:38:43] <eidolon> the event isn't showing the command it used :(
[24-Nov-2009 12:39:06] <eidolon> source type: httpmonitor
[24-Nov-2009 12:39:18] <rmatte> the proper method is to use the HttpMon ZenPack, and add dummy devices in to Zenoss named after the vhostname
[24-Nov-2009 12:39:40] <eidolon> that'sexactly what i did.
[24-Nov-2009 12:39:55] <eidolon> so i have /Devices/Web/Vhosts/Templates/HttpMonitor
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:00] <rmatte> you didn't populate the IP in the httpmon data source did you?
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:05] <eidolon> one of htemonitors is working.
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:05] <eidolon> i did.
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:06] <eidolon> had to
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:08] <rmatte> remove that
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:12] <rmatte> no, you don't
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:18] <rmatte> you should only populate the hostname field
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:22] <eidolon> but... the vhost name is not exactly the vhost
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:24] <rmatte> it doesn't need the IP field populated
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:27] <eidolon> hm. k
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:31] <rmatte> why isn't it?
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:36] <rmatte> it has to be exactly the vhost
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:42] <eidolon> it's a collective goruping of vhosts on the webheads.
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:43] <rmatte> you want it monitoring based on hostname, not on IP
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:55] <rmatte> hunh?
[24-Nov-2009 12:40:58] <eidolon> well sure, but if i add a datasource for the vhosts, i should just be able to put the hostname in.
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:06] <eidolon> so
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:10] <eidolon> the object name is 'Vhosts'
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:16] <eidolon> i add a data source that is an HttpMonitor
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:20] <eidolon> it's monitoring a couple vhosts.
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:20] <rmatte> that's what I'm saying, when you're dealing with vhosts obviously don't worry about IPs
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:37] <rmatte> just specify the hostnames
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:40] <eidolon> rrrriiiight. so when i add an HttpMonitor, there's a HostName field
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:42] <eidolon> i have that.
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:52] <rmatte> right, and leave the IP field blank
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:55] <eidolon> hmm. okay.
[24-Nov-2009 12:41:57] <rmatte> otherwise it'll default to using that
[24-Nov-2009 12:42:04] <eidolon> ohh. ok.
[24-Nov-2009 12:42:25] <eidolon> is there a way i can 'tickle' the monitor right now?
[24-Nov-2009 12:42:28] <eidolon> or do i have to wait?
[24-Nov-2009 12:42:40] <rmatte> I'd just wait
[24-Nov-2009 12:42:50] <eidolon> <inigo> i hate to wait. </>
[24-Nov-2009 12:52:40] <rmatte> eidolon: and your zenoss box is able to resolve that hostname?
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:00] <eidolon> yess
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:03] <eidolon> if i do
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:08] <eidolon> wget http://www.whatever.com/testBuy
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:10] <eidolon> i get a 200
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:44] <rmatte> not sure then, because I have 3 templates setup the same way as I showed you and they are working beautifully
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:47] <eidolon> heh
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:54] <rmatte> you're not going through ssl or anything right?
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:55] <eidolon> how can i find out the exact query / command being used?
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:58] <eidolon> nope
[24-Nov-2009 12:53:59] <rmatte> (https)?
[24-Nov-2009 12:54:03] * eidolon knows what ssl is :)
[24-Nov-2009 12:54:13] <rmatte> just making sure lol
[24-Nov-2009 12:54:18] <rmatte> :P
[24-Nov-2009 12:54:48] <rmatte> well, there's no test option
[24-Nov-2009 12:55:00] <rmatte> hmmm
[24-Nov-2009 12:55:05] <eidolon> no, i mean, i'd like to log what's happening. is this doing a nagios http_check?
[24-Nov-2009 12:55:07] <eidolon> if so, what'st he command it's using?
[24-Nov-2009 12:55:13] <eidolon> i'm sure it's in a log somewhere.
[24-Nov-2009 12:55:18] <rmatte> yeh, I'm pretty sure it uses http_check
[24-Nov-2009 12:57:28] <rmatte> /usr/local/zenoss/common/libexec/check_http
[24-Nov-2009 12:57:40] * eidolon nods
[24-Nov-2009 12:57:54] <eidolon> where would it log the call though? opt/zenoss/log/localhost/zensomething.log i'm guessing
[24-Nov-2009 12:58:08] <rmatte> probably zencommand.log
[24-Nov-2009 12:58:10] <rmatte> if I had to guess
[24-Nov-2009 12:58:20] <eidolon> hmmmmmmmmm.
[24-Nov-2009 12:58:24] <eidolon> yeah, that looks right. *digs*
[24-Nov-2009 12:58:54] <rmatte> yeh, that's the one
[24-Nov-2009 12:59:01] <rmatte> I see tons of check_http lines in mine
[24-Nov-2009 12:59:15] <eidolon> yea
[24-Nov-2009 12:59:16] <eidolon> i see 'em.
[24-Nov-2009 12:59:22] <eidolon> they're... in... an odd timing though
[24-Nov-2009 12:59:59] <rmatte> well, I see command timed out lines
[24-Nov-2009 13:00:07] <eidolon> no, i think i know why it wasn't triggering.
[24-Nov-2009 13:00:09] <rmatte> I don't see actual lines for each time it ran
[24-Nov-2009 13:00:15] <eidolon> if i have an unacknowledged event, i think it won't poll again.
[24-Nov-2009 13:00:27] <rmatte> no
[24-Nov-2009 13:00:32] <rmatte> it should poll regardless
[24-Nov-2009 13:00:42] <eidolon> hrm. yeah. as i typed that i went "wait, tht doesnt' make sense."
[24-Nov-2009 13:01:03] <eidolon> the last recorded attempt to call this host was definitely wrong.
[24-Nov-2009 13:01:29] <eidolon> 2009-11-24 13:06:14 INFO zen.zencommand: Deleting command REDACTEDVHosts from /opt/zenoss/libexec/check_http -H REDACTEDVHosts -I -p 80 -t 60 -u / -f follow
[24-Nov-2009 13:01:44] <eidolon> wait
[24-Nov-2009 13:02:09] * eidolon gets a headache.
[24-Nov-2009 13:02:34] <rmatte> /usr/local/zenoss/common/libexec/check_http -H www.whatever.com -p 80 -t 60 -u / -f follow
[24-Nov-2009 13:02:35] <rmatte> /usr/local/zenoss/common/libexec/check_http -H www.whatever.com -p 443 -t 60 -S -u /zport/acl_users/cookieAuthHelper/login_form -f follow
[24-Nov-2009 13:02:46] <eidolon> yeah,t aht's what's supposed to happen.
[24-Nov-2009 13:02:58] <rmatte> yup
[24-Nov-2009 13:03:20] <eidolon> b ut in my zeoncommand file, i only see 4 warning messages.
[24-Nov-2009 13:03:24] <eidolon> i wonder if my logging is turned down.
[24-Nov-2009 13:03:47] <rmatte> I have default logging
[24-Nov-2009 13:03:57] <eidolon> where is that set, do you know?
[24-Nov-2009 13:05:14] <eidolon> yeah, check_http entries are not logged in my localhost log directory at all
[24-Nov-2009 13:05:19] <eidolon> i'm guessing logging is turned down
[24-Nov-2009 13:05:58] <rmatte> not sure
[24-Nov-2009 13:06:46] <rmatte> I didn't even know that logging could be "turned down" in Zenoss (not via the UI anyways)
[24-Nov-2009 13:06:53] <eidolon> looksl ike zenstats run -v10
[24-Nov-2009 13:06:56] <eidolon> zenstatus
[24-Nov-2009 13:07:08] <rmatte> well, that'll run it with high verbosity
[24-Nov-2009 13:07:13] <rmatte> you can do zencommand run -v10
[24-Nov-2009 13:07:38] <jmp242> you could set the verbosity in the log config in the GUI under the daemons tab
[24-Nov-2009 13:08:29] <rmatte> ah, logging severity threshold
[24-Nov-2009 13:12:35] <eidolon> i'm just boggled at why this is so hard.
[24-Nov-2009 13:12:45] <eidolon> when i get an alert HTTP WARNING: HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
[24-Nov-2009 13:12:55] <eidolon> why is it so hard to find out wht the request was?
[24-Nov-2009 13:12:56] <jmp242> Any ideas how to check if a Windows XP computer has someone logged on to the console from Zenoss?
[24-Nov-2009 13:13:37] <mrayzenoss> I wonder if RDP exposes that?
[24-Nov-2009 13:13:48] * eidolon restarts zencommand.
[24-Nov-2009 13:14:24] <rmatte> eidolon: because you're supposed to be the one setting up the request lol
[24-Nov-2009 13:14:29] <eidolon> HEY!
[24-Nov-2009 13:14:32] <eidolon> -now- zencommand is logging
[24-Nov-2009 13:14:35] <eidolon> and i think i just got a 200.
[24-Nov-2009 13:14:39] <rmatte> good
[24-Nov-2009 13:14:46] <eidolon> wel, NOT good :)
[24-Nov-2009 13:14:51] <eidolon> why did that require a restart? :)
[24-Nov-2009 13:15:32] <rmatte> meh
[24-Nov-2009 13:15:46] <rmatte> what version of Zenoss are you using?
[24-Nov-2009 13:17:46] <eidolon> ahhhhhhh. RRD chart exists.
[24-Nov-2009 13:17:50] <rmatte> good
[24-Nov-2009 13:17:58] <rmatte> what version of Zenoss are you using?
[24-Nov-2009 13:18:04] <eidolon> sec
[24-Nov-2009 13:18:38] <eidolon> 2.4.5
[24-Nov-2009 13:18:38] <eidolon> (with enterprise additions)
[24-Nov-2009 13:18:49] <rmatte> yeh, then you have this bug: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5494
[24-Nov-2009 13:18:56] <rmatte> Apply these patches:
[24-Nov-2009 13:18:57] <rmatte> docs/DOC-4434
[24-Nov-2009 13:19:01] <rmatte> then restart
[24-Nov-2009 13:19:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Post-2.4.5 Patches (at community.zenoss.org)
[24-Nov-2009 13:19:10] <eidolon> hey look at that :)
[24-Nov-2009 13:19:52] <eidolon> how cool.
[24-Nov-2009 13:19:58] * eidolon has never patched.
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:16] <rmatte> (I'm the authority on 2.4.5 bugs at this point lol)
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:19] <eidolon> snicker
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:23] <rmatte> it's easy
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:28] <rmatte> zenticket <patch number>
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:29] <eidolon> where are the patches themselves?
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:33] <rmatte> erm
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:34] <rmatte> zenpatch
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:35] <rmatte> rather
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:38] <eidolon> zenticket.
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:42] <eidolon> gotcha
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:44] <mrayzenoss> eidolon: they're in Subversion
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:45] <rmatte> zenticket is a daemon I'm working on
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:49] <eidolon> oh
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:52] <rmatte> forget about that, my mind is elsewhere
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:52] <mrayzenoss> eidolon: zenpatch just pulls them from SVN
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:55] <rmatte> zenpatch 15003 && zenpatch 14397 && zenpatch 15214
[24-Nov-2009 13:20:57] <rmatte> do that
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:01] <rmatte> then restart Zenoss
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:01] <eidolon> zenpatch 15003 && zenpatch 14397 && zenpatch 15214
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:03] <rmatte> and you're done
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:12] <eidolon> heh. yeah, taht :)
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:12] <eidolon> okay :)
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:13] <rmatte> do that as the zenoss user
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:31] <eidolon> [zenoss@lwmzen03 localhost]$ id
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:31] <eidolon> uid=1337(zenoss) gid=1025(zenoss) groups=1025(zenoss) context=user_u:system_r:unconfined_t
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:31] <eidolon> already there.
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:44] <eidolon> patched!
[24-Nov-2009 13:21:53] <eidolon> i'm going to tune down my log level on zencommand and then do a full restart.
[24-Nov-2009 13:22:07] <rmatte> cool
[24-Nov-2009 13:22:28] <rmatte> one of the patches is to fix the inability to manually set hardware and software product details for devices in 2.4.5
[24-Nov-2009 13:22:33] <rmatte> then next is to fix that zencommand issue
[24-Nov-2009 13:22:45] <eidolon> (huh, you guys are still using trac, eh? i'm about to migrate from it to jira)
[24-Nov-2009 13:22:46] <rmatte> and the next is to add tab-completion to zendmd (just a nice feature addition)
[24-Nov-2009 13:22:53] <rmatte> trac is god
[24-Nov-2009 13:23:00] <rmatte> we use it here
[24-Nov-2009 13:23:07] <eidolon> i find it slow :(
[24-Nov-2009 13:23:07] <eidolon> i like it for the most part.
[24-Nov-2009 13:23:27] <eidolon> http://congo.stonekeep.com/trac/ <-- my trac install (note that is my personal project rtac. not ${dayjob}
[24-Nov-2009 13:23:42] <rmatte> I don't find any performance issues with it
[24-Nov-2009 13:25:06] * eidolon does an /etc/init.d/zenoss restart
[24-Nov-2009 13:27:02] <rmatte> you can just do zenoss stop and zenoss start as the zenoss user
[24-Nov-2009 13:27:15] <rmatte> it doesn't restart the mysql db (which is rarely required)
[24-Nov-2009 13:27:44] <rmatte> you can also do zenoss restart, but I don't like doing it since it tries to bring daemons back up before they've had time to shut down
[24-Nov-2009 13:27:52] <rmatte> so sometimes you end up with half of the processes not running
[24-Nov-2009 13:27:54] * eidolon likes the bigger hammer approach.
[24-Nov-2009 13:28:01] <eidolon> i didn't reboot the box :)
[24-Nov-2009 13:28:10] <rmatte> bigger hammers make bigger dents when you miss the nail :P
[24-Nov-2009 13:29:16] * eidolon never misses. *smug*
[24-Nov-2009 13:31:20] <eidolon> YAY! i have chart data on an internal status URL! we have timing data!
[24-Nov-2009 13:31:23] * eidolon happydances.
[24-Nov-2009 13:32:06] <rmatte> lol
[24-Nov-2009 13:39:49] <gwb2352> what is a command-line method to set device information (Location, Group, Systems, Collector) ?
[24-Nov-2009 13:39:58] <rmatte> I think I'm going to add another patch to my Post-2.4.5 patch list, zenpatch 14049
[24-Nov-2009 13:40:29] <rmatte> gwb2352: it's done through linking, and I'm not sure exactly what functions are used for it
[24-Nov-2009 13:41:04] <gwb2352> yeah, i tried using zenbatchload with appropriate bits (that didn't work) so now I have lots of devices with None for Systems/Collector :(
[24-Nov-2009 13:41:54] <gwb2352> example: aldb4 systemPaths='/Systems/Database/oracle' , performanceMonitor='cornea'
[24-Nov-2009 13:42:33] <gwb2352> so the device aldb4 was created, but nothing for Paths or Monitor
[24-Nov-2009 13:43:05] <gwb2352> i'm thinking a wget to zport/dmd should work, somehow, but haven't gotten the correct syntax
[24-Nov-2009 13:44:55] <gwb2352> docs/DOC-3120 is what I'm slogging through
[24-Nov-2009 13:45:04] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 8.2 Editing Device Information (at community.zenoss.org)
[24-Nov-2009 13:50:55] <gwb2352> wget 'http://admin:XXXXX@eye:8080/zport/dmd/Devices/Server/Passive/aldb4/manage_editDevice?performanceMonitor=cornea&systemPaths=/Systems/Database/oracle'
[24-Nov-2009 13:51:09] <gwb2352> no love
[24-Nov-2009 13:54:41] <mrayzenoss> gwb2352: I bet you could use zendisc to do it
[24-Nov-2009 13:55:39] <mrayzenoss> gwb2352: something like zendisc run —now -d aldb4 —monitor cornea —deviceclass /Devices/Server/Passive
[24-Nov-2009 13:56:11] <rmatte> but remove the funky characters that his irc client threw in
[24-Nov-2009 13:57:31] <mrayzenoss> hmm… System and Group don't appear to be options
[24-Nov-2009 13:57:34] <gwb2352> yeah, i was looking at zendisc help but didn't see a commandline option for systemPaths
[24-Nov-2009 13:58:29] <gwb2352> the error (from wget) is "Bad port number"
[24-Nov-2009 14:13:26] * eidolon does what the happy support.zenoss.com folks say to do and hopes this resolves the zenjmx performance template problem.
[24-Nov-2009 14:14:24] <eidolon> hey question. i have one of my webheads giving me a Process not running: /usr/sbin/mysqld
[24-Nov-2009 14:14:34] <eidolon> we have absolutely no interest in monitoring that, and honestly don't knwo where it came from :)
[24-Nov-2009 14:14:44] <eidolon> i don't see it in teh process list under OS. how do i get rid of that monitor?
[24-Nov-2009 14:21:12] <mrayzenoss> back in a bit
[24-Nov-2009 14:35:07] zsprackett_ is now known as zsprackett
[24-Nov-2009 14:40:16] <gwb2352> ok, the "Bad Port" was because the password for admin had a "?" character in it. Now I'm stuck because of SSL redirect
[24-Nov-2009 14:43:54] * eidolon makes a rude gesture at JMX
[24-Nov-2009 14:46:17] charlieS_ is now known as charlieS
[24-Nov-2009 14:51:48] <gwb2352> success! forget wget, use curl!
[24-Nov-2009 14:53:12] <gwb2352> [zenoss@eye zenbatchload]$ curl -L -u admin:XXXXX 'http://eye.its.utexas.edu:8080/zport/dmd/Devices/Server/Passive/devices/aldb4/manage_editDevice?performanceMonitor=cornea&systemPaths=/Systems/Database/oracle'
[24-Nov-2009 15:34:45] <rmatte> nice
[24-Nov-2009 16:23:47] <cgibbons> hurm
[24-Nov-2009 16:34:48] <rmatte> ?
[24-Nov-2009 16:37:09] <rmatte> lol, I just pwned the forums, almost all of the recent discussions are my replies
[24-Nov-2009 16:37:48] <mrayzenoss> jeez, I'm second to last
[24-Nov-2009 16:38:12] <rmatte> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 16:38:29] <mrayzenoss> wait, I just posted this thread/12097?tstart=0
[24-Nov-2009 16:38:35] <mrayzenoss> oh man, cheap reply :p
[24-Nov-2009 16:38:47] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - All old URLs remapped (at community.zenoss.org)
[24-Nov-2009 16:38:48] <rmatte> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 16:39:08] <mrayzenoss> I marked that as the "Correct Answer"
[24-Nov-2009 16:39:11] <rmatte> that's the only cheap reply I have
[24-Nov-2009 16:39:17] <rmatte> :P
[24-Nov-2009 16:39:25] <rmatte> the rest are actually helpful replies
[24-Nov-2009 16:45:01] <rmatte> mhmmm, the power just failed on my home server, hopefully it comes back
[24-Nov-2009 16:45:18] <rmatte> (the server that I'm chatting through right now)
[24-Nov-2009 16:45:29] <rmatte> the UPS has about 15 minutes support for that server
[24-Nov-2009 16:45:52] <rmatte> ah it just came back
[24-Nov-2009 17:02:47] <ironpaw> hi
[24-Nov-2009 17:03:08] <rmatte> hi
[24-Nov-2009 17:03:17] <ironpaw> how are you rmatte ?
[24-Nov-2009 17:03:34] <rmatte> good thanks, yourself?
[24-Nov-2009 17:03:53] <ironpaw> not bad, a bit bearly eye'd this morning
[24-Nov-2009 17:03:53] <ironpaw> *yawwwn*
[24-Nov-2009 17:03:58] <ironpaw> need a coffee
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:12] <rmatte> hehe, it's not morning here
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:19] <ironpaw> Wed Nov 25 09:04:19 EST 2009
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:19] <rmatte> 6pm, I'm done work shortly :)
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:26] <ironpaw> nice one
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:30] <rmatte> Tue Nov 24 17:58:48 EST 2009
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:31] <ironpaw> before you go though...
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:47] <ironpaw> any hints on how to change the disk space used threshold on a single device?
[24-Nov-2009 17:04:59] <ironpaw> when polled via snmp (or wmi)?
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:09] <rmatte> yeh, it's easy, just create a local copy of the filesystem template
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:11] <ironpaw> ive had a google but not been able to locate anything
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:23] <ironpaw> is that part of the device template?
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:23] <rmatte> go to the device and the drive that you want to change the threshold on
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:31] <ironpaw> aah
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:31] <rmatte> no, it's a filesystem template
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:32] <ironpaw> at that level
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:36] <rmatte> so you need to actually click on the drive
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:38] <rmatte> then go to templates
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:41] <rmatte> and you'll see it there
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:45] <ironpaw> yeh i was doing it at the device then going wtf?
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:48] <ironpaw> my bad
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:53] <ironpaw> thanks for the heads up
[24-Nov-2009 17:05:56] <rmatte> same goes if you were doing the same for an interface
[24-Nov-2009 17:06:00] <rmatte> no problem
[24-Nov-2009 17:06:02] <ironpaw> true
[24-Nov-2009 17:06:17] <ironpaw> i tells ya, go a month without using zneoss and you forget stuff
[24-Nov-2009 17:06:30] <rmatte> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 17:06:44] <rmatte> never an issue for me, I use it almost every day
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:04] <ironpaw> hehe i went on a honey moon :P
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:09] <rmatte> ah
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:13] <rmatte> that'll do it
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:17] <rmatte> congratulations
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:19] <ironpaw> i still can't get the zenprocess daemon to start tho
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:23] <ironpaw> it just stopped one day and one start again
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:25] <ironpaw> thanks
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:32] <rmatte> any errors in zenprocess.log?
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:37] <ironpaw> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:43] <ironpaw> h5 i'll just dig em up
[24-Nov-2009 17:07:46] <rmatte> k
[24-Nov-2009 17:08:15] <ironpaw> 2009-10-09 11:34:03 ERROR zen.zenprocess: [Failure instance: Traceback (failure with no frames): exceptions.UnboundLocalError: local variable 'update' referenced before assignment
[24-Nov-2009 17:08:38] <ironpaw> and a heap of traceback cold
[24-Nov-2009 17:08:38] <ironpaw> code
[24-Nov-2009 17:08:47] <ironpaw> UnboundLocalError: local variable 'update' referenced before assignment
[24-Nov-2009 17:08:47] <rmatte> hmmm
[24-Nov-2009 17:08:54] <ironpaw> no changes just started happening one day
[24-Nov-2009 17:09:17] <ironpaw> been too scared to stop start other processes incase the same happens
[24-Nov-2009 17:09:59] <rmatte> well, it's complaining that the variable update isn't being set before it's being called on obviously
[24-Nov-2009 17:10:42] <ironpaw> yeh i guessed that
[24-Nov-2009 17:10:42] <ironpaw> i notice that we're a few versions behind so i might upgrade and see if that fixes stuff..
[24-Nov-2009 17:10:49] <ironpaw> we're running 2.4.5 vs 2.5.1
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:00] <rmatte> I'm running 2.4.5 on all my prod stuff
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:04] <rmatte> and I'm not having any issues
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:11] <ironpaw> o rly
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:17] <ironpaw> this is pretty much prod stuff too
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:25] <ironpaw> hmm
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:34] <rmatte> I'm running it with these patches though: docs/DOC-4434
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:41] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Post-2.4.5 Patches (at community.zenoss.org)
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:54] <ironpaw> i was doing some process monitoring stuff and couldn't see any changes so i restarted the zenprocess bit
[24-Nov-2009 17:11:57] <rmatte> but none of those patches are zenprocess related, you should still apply them though
[24-Nov-2009 17:12:10] <ironpaw> yeh might do
[24-Nov-2009 17:12:15] <ironpaw> thanks forhte links
[24-Nov-2009 17:12:17] <rmatte> np
[24-Nov-2009 17:13:22] <ironpaw> is it hometime yet?
[24-Nov-2009 17:13:22] <rmatte> getting there
[24-Nov-2009 17:13:22] <ironpaw> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 17:13:22] <rmatte> I can stick around for another few minutes
[24-Nov-2009 17:13:39] <ironpaw> nah im done so don't hang around for me
[24-Nov-2009 17:13:40] <rmatte> you running this on Linux?
[24-Nov-2009 17:14:14] <rmatte> or FreeBSD?
[24-Nov-2009 17:21:00] <rmatte> 2009-11-23 05:25:00 INFO zen.zenticket: ticket create script ran 347 times
[24-Nov-2009 17:21:06] <rmatte> I love it when our client tunnels drop
[24-Nov-2009 17:26:28] <ironpaw> sorry
[24-Nov-2009 17:26:32] <ironpaw> um its running on centos
[24-Nov-2009 17:26:34] <ironpaw> linux
[24-Nov-2009 17:26:40] <rmatte> ah ok
[24-Nov-2009 17:28:28] <rmatte> you could try a reindex() and commit() in zendmd, then restart all the daemons and see what happens
[24-Nov-2009 17:28:28] <ironpaw> hmm
[24-Nov-2009 17:28:28] <ironpaw> its kinda our prod montioring tool atm
[24-Nov-2009 17:28:37] <rmatte> I doubt that the other daemons are just going to magically crap out just because you restarted them
[24-Nov-2009 17:28:52] <rmatte> you can backup your $ZENHOME directory
[24-Nov-2009 17:29:24] <ironpaw> yeh i'll do a backup first
[24-Nov-2009 17:29:24] <rmatte> is it running on a physical box or a VM?
[24-Nov-2009 17:29:42] <ironpaw> i know they shouldn't magically crap out but the first instance of it happening i didnt expect
[24-Nov-2009 17:29:46] <ironpaw> its a physical
[24-Nov-2009 17:29:59] <rmatte> that sucks, if it was a VM you could just snapshot it
[24-Nov-2009 17:30:04] <ironpaw> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:30:07] <ironpaw> makes it a bit hard
[24-Nov-2009 17:30:17] <rmatte> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:30:19] <ironpaw> i think our zenoss backups are running over 1.5gb
[24-Nov-2009 17:30:36] <rmatte> that's fairly big, but not too bad
[24-Nov-2009 17:31:59] <ironpaw> that was as of a month ago
[24-Nov-2009 17:32:07] <ironpaw> we haven't scheduled regular backups of zenoss yet
[24-Nov-2009 17:32:42] <rmatte> I see
[24-Nov-2009 17:32:47] <ironpaw> slack i know
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:02] <rmatte> all our Zenoss servers are VMs, so we just clone them while they are running and use the clones as backups
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:05] <ironpaw> hehe hardly the way you should be running a prod app
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:14] <ironpaw> hmm
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:32] <rmatte> that way if something goes wrong we just fire up the latest clone and we're back in business
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:32] <ironpaw> you use the virtual appliances?
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:36] <rmatte> no
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:48] <rmatte> it's an image that was built from the ground up
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:51] <rmatte> and which I maintain
[24-Nov-2009 17:33:53] <ironpaw> yep
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:04] <rmatte> it's Ubuntu Server with Zenoss 2.4.5 (patched up with those patches I pasted)
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:05] <ironpaw> why wouldn't you use the virt apps?
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:10] <ironpaw> yep
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:11] <rmatte> and it has a ton of other customizations that I've done
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:29] <rmatte> because the virtual app is really more for demo than anything in my opinion
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:31] <ironpaw> fancy bash prompts?
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:32] <ironpaw> :P
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:44] * ironpaw is still tired
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:47] <rmatte> and because I don't like redhat
[24-Nov-2009 17:34:58] <ironpaw> yeh well i dont really have a choice @ work
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:12] <ironpaw> centos and rhel5
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:12] <rmatte> if we didn't have a choice, that'd be fine, but we do
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:13] <rmatte> lol
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:20] <ironpaw> my desktop is ubuntu tho
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:32] <mrayzenoss> later folks
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:38] <ironpaw> l8r
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:42] <rmatte> yeh, my desktop at work is ubuntu, my home desktop is ubuntu, and the 11 Zenoss servers that I manage are Ubuntu
[24-Nov-2009 17:35:47] <rmatte> later Matt
[24-Nov-2009 17:36:07] <ironpaw> yeh ive got to re-install my htpc @ home with the latest ubuntu
[24-Nov-2009 17:36:21] <ironpaw> try and get mythtv working better and vpdau on xbmc
[24-Nov-2009 17:36:32] <ironpaw> just had a heap of other crap on so its hard to get started
[24-Nov-2009 17:36:58] <rmatte> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:37:48] <rmatte> my friend is doing a mythtv setup soon
[24-Nov-2009 17:38:43] <rmatte> he's going to stream the discovery channel to me so that I can just cancel my cable, since that's all that I watch, and he has free tv for a year (promotional thing)
[24-Nov-2009 17:40:25] <ironpaw> hah cool
[24-Nov-2009 17:40:39] <ironpaw> got a few mates doing a foxtel cardsharing thing
[24-Nov-2009 17:40:48] <ironpaw> using sat and cable tv setups
[24-Nov-2009 17:40:52] <rmatte> cool
[24-Nov-2009 17:41:06] <ironpaw> get a dreambox, config it and it'll get paytv from the card sharing server
[24-Nov-2009 17:41:20] <ironpaw> yeh i've still been too slack to re-route the cable under the house so we can plug it in
[24-Nov-2009 17:42:15] <rmatte> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 17:44:15] <ironpaw> hows your networking rmatte ?
[24-Nov-2009 17:44:30] <ironpaw> trying to figure out how to get my wireless @ home sorted..
[24-Nov-2009 17:44:31] <rmatte> quite good
[24-Nov-2009 17:44:42] <rmatte> what's the issue with it?
[24-Nov-2009 17:44:44] <ironpaw> just replaced my router with a router + wireless AP
[24-Nov-2009 17:44:48] <ironpaw> but i use the router in bridged mode connected to the fw
[24-Nov-2009 17:45:24] <rmatte> if it's in bridged mode then you're not going to get any wireless out of it
[24-Nov-2009 17:45:32] <ironpaw> trying to figure out how I can configure the wireless so it 1) gets interwebs 2) can access internal shares, 3) is secure
[24-Nov-2009 17:45:32] <ironpaw> cos at the moment its outside the fw
[24-Nov-2009 17:45:47] <ironpaw> router is wired too, so ethernet is bridged
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:02] <ironpaw> wireless was still working and giving out ip addresses via dhcp
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:07] <rmatte> right, the ethernet is bridged to your firewall, meaning that it's just a passive device
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:12] <ironpaw> when you got the key right
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:13] <ironpaw> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:16] <ironpaw> thats what I thought
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:24] <rmatte> it'll give IP addresses via dhcp
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:27] <ironpaw> so I can't dmz the wireless at all somehow and get it to work?
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:30] <rmatte> but you'll never get an internet connection
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:44] <rmatte> unless you take it out of bridged mode, and let it do the first set of routing
[24-Nov-2009 17:46:54] <ironpaw> yeh but naah
[24-Nov-2009 17:47:01] <ironpaw> really happy with my fw setup at the moment
[24-Nov-2009 17:47:09] <ironpaw> might have to find a dedicated decent AP then
[24-Nov-2009 17:47:10] <rmatte> otherwise you're looking at throwing another wireless router behind the firewall
[24-Nov-2009 17:47:22] <ironpaw> yeh i've got one behind the fw atm
[24-Nov-2009 17:47:32] <ironpaw> but its old and need to power cycle it daily
[24-Nov-2009 17:47:39] <ironpaw> which gets old
[24-Nov-2009 17:48:25] <rmatte> you could always move the new wireless one behind the firewall and pick up a cheap non-wireless router to replace it
[24-Nov-2009 17:48:43] <rmatte> it would be cheaper than buying a second wireless router
[24-Nov-2009 17:49:03] <rmatte> you can dmz the wireless if you take the device out of bridged mode
[24-Nov-2009 17:49:03] <ironpaw> heh.. well i had a cheap non-wireless router but it died and the only replacement i could find on a week night at officeworks was one with wireless
[24-Nov-2009 17:49:04] <ironpaw> so i got it
[24-Nov-2009 17:49:18] <ironpaw> theres a bridged wireless feature on the router
[24-Nov-2009 17:49:25] <rmatte> think of bridged mode as, the router knows only to talk directly between the internet and the firewall and act as a direct bridge
[24-Nov-2009 17:49:38] <rmatte> it has no routing power of it's own hence it can't route any of the traffic out over the wireless
[24-Nov-2009 17:49:50] <rmatte> you need to take it out of bridge mode for the wireless to work
[24-Nov-2009 17:50:04] <rmatte> you could set it up to do both
[24-Nov-2009 17:50:21] <rmatte> route wireless traffic out the wireless interface and route other traffic to the firewall to be routed from there
[24-Nov-2009 17:50:33] <ironpaw> hmm
[24-Nov-2009 17:50:58] <rmatte> but once again, it can't be in bridge mode lol
[24-Nov-2009 17:51:11] <ironpaw> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:51:13] <ironpaw> screwed
[24-Nov-2009 17:51:30] <ironpaw> i'll just keep an eye out for a decent AP and until then.. keep power cycling the current one
[24-Nov-2009 17:51:34] <rmatte> well not really, what's your concern with doing it that way?
[24-Nov-2009 17:52:05] <rmatte> the way I do it at home is that I have my router as the head end device, then I have it forward certain ports to my server, then I have an iptables firewall running on my server
[24-Nov-2009 17:52:16] <rmatte> and my workstation has no ports forwarded to it
[24-Nov-2009 17:52:20] <ironpaw> i've got a dedicated linux box doing fw'ing, etc at home and keen to keep it
[24-Nov-2009 17:52:26] <rmatte> (well, except for bittorrent ports)
[24-Nov-2009 17:52:44] <ironpaw> yeh thats what killed the router previously
[24-Nov-2009 17:52:55] <ironpaw> the number of open connections would mean you'd have to reset the router
[24-Nov-2009 17:52:58] <ironpaw> with th elinux box theres none of those issues
[24-Nov-2009 17:53:10] <rmatte> was your previous router an old linksys?
[24-Nov-2009 17:53:22] <ironpaw> nah
[24-Nov-2009 17:53:32] <ironpaw> both were netcomm's nb6 and now a nb6w
[24-Nov-2009 17:53:40] <rmatte> my linksys had the same problem, then I threw dd-wrt firmware on it, and it has been rock solid since
[24-Nov-2009 17:53:51] <ironpaw> prior to that it was a billion adsl2+ route+wireless+ethernet
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:00] <ironpaw> and it just couldn't handle the traffic/load
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:00] <ironpaw> hmm
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:00] <ironpaw> dd-wrt
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:12] <ironpaw> thats a different kettle of fish tho
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:16] <ironpaw> thats making your router a linux box :P
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:21] <rmatte> I host a nameserver, a mail server, a web server, an irc server, and more off of my home server with virtually zero downtime
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:35] <ironpaw> 09:54:35 up 280 days, 22:51, 13 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:38] <rmatte> my router was already a linux box, the stock firmware was linux based
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:46] <ironpaw> my uptimes not bad for a home box
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:50] <rmatte> dd-wrt just runs a hell of a lot better under load
[24-Nov-2009 17:54:54] <ironpaw> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:01] <ironpaw> fair enough
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:23] <rmatte> my uptime would be really good if I had a UPS that lasts more than 15 minutes
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:25] <ironpaw> anyway i should probably DO some work instead of looking like im doing work
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:25] <ironpaw> thanks for your time rmatte
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:30] <rmatte> haha
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:30] <ironpaw> hah
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:35] <ironpaw> my ups can last 1hr
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:51] <rmatte> yeh, there's construction around my place and they take the power down often enough
[24-Nov-2009 17:55:55] <ironpaw> the gateway is the only thing on it, no monitor + a hub
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:00] <rmatte> 18:50:18 up 40 days, 11:24, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:08] <rmatte> it was at 220 days before the last reboot
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:18] <ironpaw> we had the powerlines to the house replaced a while back and i thought it'd die then for sure
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:21] <ironpaw> but it just hung in there
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:24] <rmatte> well, 223 or something, I don't remember exactly
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:33] <rmatte> nice
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:51] <rmatte> I've carried a server from room to room plugged in to a UPS before to maintain the uptime :)
[24-Nov-2009 17:56:56] <ironpaw> just a apc smartups
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:00] <ironpaw> hahaha
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:02] <ironpaw> thats hardcore
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:04] <rmatte> yeh, I have an APC UPS too
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:15] <rmatte> http://dmon.org/apcupsd/
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:20] <rmatte> apcupsd == the best
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:36] <ironpaw> never seen that before
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:42] <ironpaw> do you need the interface cable ? :P
[24-Nov-2009 17:57:49] <rmatte> yeh, the USB one
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:01] <rmatte> USB to ethernet looking cable
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:04] <ironpaw> hmm i didnt gank that fro mthe last job
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:13] <ironpaw> yeh
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:17] <rmatte> you can buy them at radioshack or something
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:18] <ironpaw> there was a heap there too
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:28] <ironpaw> i might hunt around the store room here
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:37] <rmatte> I wish we still had radioshacks here
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:38] <ironpaw> i think my ups has the rs interface tho
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:48] <ironpaw> not the rj connector
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:50] <rmatte> they all got bought out and they are called "The Source" now, and they suck
[24-Nov-2009 17:58:55] <rmatte> ah
[24-Nov-2009 17:59:02] <rmatte> your UPS is probably larger than mine
[24-Nov-2009 17:59:22] <ironpaw> its only got 2 7amp 12v batteries
[24-Nov-2009 17:59:42] <rmatte> well, the thing is, my server has 3 power supplies...
[24-Nov-2009 17:59:47] <rmatte> so it pulls a lot of power
[24-Nov-2009 17:59:57] <ironpaw> http://www.ahwx.com/images/apc_smart_ups_h9l3.jpg
[24-Nov-2009 17:59:59] <rmatte> (It's a 3U rackmount with 4 1.6GHz Xeons)
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:08] <ironpaw> altho its a 500 not a 1400
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:14] <ironpaw> haha that'd be why it lasts for 15mins
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:20] <rmatte> yup
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:26] <rmatte> it's a powerhouse though
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:29] <ironpaw> mines linux in a desktop case with 1 powersupply
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:31] <rmatte> compiling on it is fast fast fast
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:37] <rmatte> has 3 scsi drives in it too
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:38] <ironpaw> yeh i bet
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:48] <rmatte> yeh, your UPS is a bit larger than mine
[24-Nov-2009 18:00:53] <ironpaw> got a poweredge next to it thats not going atm and I reckon that'd kill the UPS
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:20] <ironpaw> with 5xscsi disks + 4xide+sata
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:36] <ironpaw> was going to make it a nas but can't get linux to boot off the drive
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:42] <rmatte> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:47] <rmatte> that sucks
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:48] <ironpaw> so i gave up
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:48] <ironpaw> and the power consumption would kill it
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:51] <rmatte> http://dmon.org/graphics/comproom/DSCF0379.JPG
[24-Nov-2009 18:01:56] <rmatte> there's a photo of the server
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:03] <ironpaw> at least all that gear is in the shed so its not noisy in the house
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:07] <rmatte> weighs 110lbs
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:10] <rmatte> pain in the ass to ove
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:12] <rmatte> move*
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:20] <ironpaw> haha
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:24] <ironpaw> we've got 2 server rooms full of that shit
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:26] <rmatte> my computer room is quite loud
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:31] <ironpaw> yeh i reckon
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:46] <rmatte> yeh, I bought that thing like 2 and a half years ago
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:52] <ironpaw> how much you pay?
[24-Nov-2009 18:02:53] <rmatte> got everything except for the hard drives for $700
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:02] <ironpaw> fark me
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:03] <rmatte> got the hard drives brand new for $250 each
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:03] <ironpaw> bargain
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:15] <rmatte> with 5 year warranty
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:17] <ironpaw> they sas drives?
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:20] <ironpaw> nice one
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:21] <rmatte> SCSI
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:28] <rmatte> hot swappable
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:33] <ironpaw> tidy
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:41] <rmatte> yup
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:46] <ironpaw> redunancy for your pron :P
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:48] <rmatte> took like 3 seconds to install them
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:48] <ironpaw> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 18:03:51] <ironpaw> raid 5!
[24-Nov-2009 18:04:03] <rmatte> actually I have it raid zeroed right now, going to redo the whole server soon
[24-Nov-2009 18:04:12] <rmatte> I want to throw ESXi on it
[24-Nov-2009 18:04:17] <rmatte> I need to buy some more RAM for it first
[24-Nov-2009 18:04:53] <ironpaw> hmm im not a fan of virtualisation
[24-Nov-2009 18:04:59] <ironpaw> its ok for some shit but not everything under the sun
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:02] <rmatte> but yeh, with ESXi I could easily run 3 or 4 VMs on there and actually put the thing to use
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:10] <ironpaw> but im just oldskool
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:17] <rmatte> I love virtualization
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:22] <ironpaw> that is true rmatte
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:22] <rmatte> makes stuff incredibly easy
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:23] <ironpaw> best use of hardware
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:47] <ironpaw> i love my virtualbox :P
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:50] <rmatte> anyways, I'd better get out of here and let you get to work, you slacker
[24-Nov-2009 18:05:58] <ironpaw> hehe
[24-Nov-2009 18:06:03] <ironpaw> dont need any encouragement
[24-Nov-2009 18:06:03] <rmatte> I use virtualbox on my workstation to run my windows VM
[24-Nov-2009 18:06:10] <ironpaw> later dude thanks for the chat
[24-Nov-2009 18:06:16] <rmatte> since I only use it for Outlook and VMWare
[24-Nov-2009 18:06:19] <ironpaw> same
[24-Nov-2009 18:06:21] <rmatte> later
[24-Nov-2009 18:06:26] <ironpaw> rater
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[25-Nov-2009 03:45:45] <Dieterbe> hi, on my monitoring server, i sometimes get "Unable to save data for OID" events. why could this be? there is enough place on the harddisk, the monitoring box is not too loaded etc
[25-Nov-2009 05:32:51] <Troubadix09> hi all
[25-Nov-2009 05:59:59] <chemist> hello
[25-Nov-2009 09:33:54] <rmatte> hmmm, from home when I click the jive login link it does absolutely nothing
[25-Nov-2009 09:34:09] <rmatte> and there's no direct link to the login page, so I can't login at all
[25-Nov-2009 09:41:06] <rmatte> hmmm, doesn't work from my windows VM either
[25-Nov-2009 09:44:09] <rmatte> ah, now it does after clicking a million times
[25-Nov-2009 09:45:01] <MattD> A million is a lot.
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[25-Nov-2009 09:45:24] <mrayzenoss> works for me from 3 different ISPs
[25-Nov-2009 09:45:54] <rmatte> yeh, it has to be a problem with my browser, just strange since it's the exact same setup I have at work and it works fine there
[25-Nov-2009 09:46:27] <Dieterbe> curl -I <webpage> is nice to debug such problems
[25-Nov-2009 09:52:14] <rmatte> ah, hmmmm, this might actually be cause by something else...
[25-Nov-2009 09:52:51] <rmatte> When I first load a page on the site it takes forever to download something from sflogo.sourceforge.net
[25-Nov-2009 09:53:02] <rmatte> and until it downloads it it won't allow the login box to come up
[25-Nov-2009 09:53:22] <rmatte> so if I wait a while I can finally login
[25-Nov-2009 10:12:36] <rocket> Hello everyone :)
[25-Nov-2009 10:13:13] <mrayzenoss> howdy
[25-Nov-2009 10:14:25] * rocket just found out software I spent a day and a half figuring out is going the way of the dodo ....
[25-Nov-2009 10:19:52] <Dieterbe> hey, on my monitoring server, i sometimes get "Unable to save data for OID" events. why could this be? there is enough place on the harddisk, the monitoring box is not too loaded etc
[25-Nov-2009 10:23:28] <rmatte> rocket: that sucks
[25-Nov-2009 10:31:04] <rocket> yea ... it was apparmor for opensuse .. the devs for the project were fired .. the lead is working for microsoft now .. so it looks like its being switched to selinux
[25-Nov-2009 10:31:31] <rocket> found the article about it while I was researching a problem I had with it ..
[25-Nov-2009 10:31:45] <rocket> oh well at least I didnt have a full blown implementation to deal with :p
[25-Nov-2009 10:32:42] <Dieterbe> oh. apparmor was/is pretty cool imho. simpler then selinux
[25-Nov-2009 10:35:14] <ke4qqq> rocket: link to the article?
[25-Nov-2009 10:36:05] <rocket> here is one link
[25-Nov-2009 10:36:08] <rocket> http://www.windowsvistaplace.com/the-future-of-apparmor/software
[25-Nov-2009 10:36:29] <adytum-bot> Title: The Future of AppArmor - MS Windows Vista Compatible Software (at www.windowsvistaplace.com)
[25-Nov-2009 10:36:45] <rocket> http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/08/23/apparmor-is-dead/
[25-Nov-2009 10:37:06] <adytum-bot> Title: AppArmor is Dead | etbe - Russell Coker (at etbe.coker.com.au)
[25-Nov-2009 10:37:24] <rocket> I believe Coker was/is the main author of the software
[25-Nov-2009 10:38:50] <rocket> Dieterbe: looks like I will learn selinux .. heh .. :p
[25-Nov-2009 10:39:25] <rocket> actually crispin is the author
[25-Nov-2009 10:40:38] <ke4qqq> fascinating. SELinux isn't too bad, once you get your head around it - it's that initial grokking of how it works that's so painful.
[25-Nov-2009 10:40:55] <rmatte> apparmor is dead?
[25-Nov-2009 10:41:09] <rmatte> ah
[25-Nov-2009 10:41:10] <rocket> rmatte: going that way ..
[25-Nov-2009 10:41:19] <rocket> unless the community picks it up
[25-Nov-2009 10:41:25] <rmatte> Ubuntu uses apparmor too
[25-Nov-2009 10:41:26] <ke4qqq> appears to be heading that way
[25-Nov-2009 10:42:11] <rocket> http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/09/04/opinions-facts-apparmor/
[25-Nov-2009 10:42:15] <ke4qqq> huh?? really??? /me thought they used selinux
[25-Nov-2009 10:42:22] <rocket> an updated article ..
[25-Nov-2009 10:42:31] <adytum-bot> Title: Random Opinions, Expert Opinions, and Facts about AppArmor | etbe - Russell Coker (at etbe.coker.com.au)
[25-Nov-2009 10:42:52] <rmatte> ke4qqq: apparmor support was added in 7.04 and turned on by default since 8.04
[25-Nov-2009 10:43:03] <ke4qqq> wow - shows what I know
[25-Nov-2009 10:45:57] <rmatte> http://blogs.msdn.com/crispincowan/archive/2008/09/02/go-ahead-make-my-day.aspx
[25-Nov-2009 10:46:13] <mrayzenoss> ke4qqq: yeah, you really should keep up with Ubuntu news :p
[25-Nov-2009 10:46:17] <adytum-bot> Title: Security Is Simple: Only Use Perfect Software : Go Ahead, Make My Day (at blogs.msdn.com)
[25-Nov-2009 10:46:53] <rocket> ke4qqq: in reality apparmor wasnt that hard to figure out .. but I was having trouble with one pesky little part of it .. trying to figure out what it was doing adding /sbin/dhclient//null-a1 for example ...
[25-Nov-2009 10:48:11] <ke4qqq> mrayzenoss: yeah - you'd think I would have caught something like that in LWN or somewhere though.
[25-Nov-2009 10:48:59] <mrayzenoss> BTW, to followup on the QA discussion we had… we're going to try to schedule regular QA days every 2 weeks starting next month
[25-Nov-2009 10:49:27] <mrayzenoss> we'll try to sync it with the IRC session and releasing Alpha builds
[25-Nov-2009 10:49:33] <ke4qqq> cool!!!
[25-Nov-2009 10:49:39] <Rocinante> ke4qqq: Is that your callsign? :>
[25-Nov-2009 10:49:41] <mrayzenoss> with a theme for testing each session
[25-Nov-2009 10:49:55] <ke4qqq> I have a system ready and waiting to do testing with.
[25-Nov-2009 10:50:02] <ke4qqq> Rocinante: yes
[25-Nov-2009 10:50:13] <Rocinante> Thought it might be... 73 from W2SRH
[25-Nov-2009 10:50:21] <mrayzenoss> I'll have more on it after Thanksgiving
[25-Nov-2009 10:51:01] <ke4qqq> Rocinante: cool - nice to meet you.
[25-Nov-2009 10:51:23] <ke4qqq> mrayzenoss: that will be awesome. any idea of the overhead that creating livecds added?
[25-Nov-2009 10:52:30] <mrayzenoss> ke4qqq: it was 2 minutes of work
[25-Nov-2009 10:52:40] <mrayzenoss> just had to tell rPath to spit them out
[25-Nov-2009 10:52:42] <ke4qqq> AWESOME!
[25-Nov-2009 10:53:05] <chudler> what ubuntu does tends to have little effect on upstream, mostly because they make so few contributions, with some exceptions (upstart?).
[25-Nov-2009 10:54:27] <ke4qqq> wow - that didn't even come out of my mouth. :)
[25-Nov-2009 10:54:36] <mrayzenoss> heh
[25-Nov-2009 11:00:01] <chemist> when you monitor a linux process with zenoss, what does it actually monitor? it's presence only? or does it look at delta changes too?
[25-Nov-2009 11:02:56] <rocket> kgoedtel: hrmm another minnesotan? ;p
[25-Nov-2009 11:03:07] <kgoedtel> yeah
[25-Nov-2009 11:03:27] <rocket> as am I .. :p
[25-Nov-2009 11:03:36] <kgoedtel> I'm in St. Paul
[25-Nov-2009 11:04:10] <rocket> working in minnetonka .. live in elk river...
[25-Nov-2009 11:04:47] <kgoedtel> sounds like a longish drive
[25-Nov-2009 11:04:56] <rocket> somewhat ..
[25-Nov-2009 11:05:02] <rocket> about half hour
[25-Nov-2009 11:05:11] <kgoedtel> probably bad traffic haha
[25-Nov-2009 11:05:20] <kgoedtel> depending on your hours
[25-Nov-2009 11:05:37] <rocket> getting better with the northstar actually .. or maybe it was the run up to this holiday .. ;p
[25-Nov-2009 11:06:23] <kgoedtel> i was in elk river on saturday visiting family, saw the northstar for the first time on highway 10
[25-Nov-2009 11:06:45] <kgoedtel> seems like a good way to go if it takes you to the right place haha
[25-Nov-2009 11:07:15] <rocket> surprisingly enough one of the dirty jobs episodes featured building the northstar train .. though they didnt say so in the episode .. you could tell what it was .. had the metro transit stuff all over it
[25-Nov-2009 11:07:48] <kgoedtel> interesting
[25-Nov-2009 11:07:54] <kgoedtel> i will need to find this episode
[25-Nov-2009 11:09:32] <rocket> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK1qI7dvs94&feature=related
[25-Nov-2009 11:10:34] <kgoedtel> nice thanks
[25-Nov-2009 11:11:24] <rocket> its towards the end of the episode they start showing the finished train more etc
[25-Nov-2009 11:33:16] <chemist> bump
[25-Nov-2009 11:33:19] <chemist> when you monitor a linux process with zenoss, what does it actually monitor? it's presence only? or does it look at delta changes too?
[25-Nov-2009 11:36:28] <ke4qqq> chemist: define: delta changes??
[25-Nov-2009 11:37:06] <mrayzenoss> it tracks memory and cpu usage
[25-Nov-2009 11:37:28] * ke4qqq thought it did count as well, but I may be confusing that with an RFE
[25-Nov-2009 11:38:45] <chemist> ok, and these can have thresolds set I'm guessing?
[25-Nov-2009 11:39:18] <ke4qqq> it does process count as well
[25-Nov-2009 11:39:48] <ke4qqq> chemist: yep, it's just a template - you can make a local copy (or not) and set threshholds
[25-Nov-2009 11:40:43] <chemist> ke4qqq: thnks
[25-Nov-2009 11:40:51] <ke4qqq> np
[25-Nov-2009 11:41:35] <chemist> mrayzenoss: when is the next QA session?
[25-Nov-2009 11:44:47] <ke4qqq> chemist: based on what he said earlier, sometime after thanksgiving - they are doing a couple a week iirc.
[25-Nov-2009 11:45:20] * chemist looks for an american calnedar
[25-Nov-2009 11:45:29] <chemist> *calendar
[25-Nov-2009 11:45:51] <ke4qqq> thanksgiving is this thursday
[25-Nov-2009 11:46:00] <chemist> ah, ok
[25-Nov-2009 11:46:31] <rhettardo> any one had issues w/ interface counters? on my two switches in the default switch device class i am having oddities. sometimes the counters are correct. other times they are way off. currently it shows an average of 358Tb/s and a max of 1.93Pb/s which obviously is way off
[25-Nov-2009 11:47:10] <chemist> rhettardo: too many torrents :)
[25-Nov-2009 11:47:12] <ke4qqq> wow, I want one of your switches :) I haven't personally seen that behavior
[25-Nov-2009 11:48:20] <rhettardo> i've compared my DS from cacti and zenoss and almost everything correlates but the decimal point
[25-Nov-2009 11:49:09] <rhettardo> 1259169900: 2.4062886621e+14
[25-Nov-2009 11:49:10] <rhettardo> 1259170200: 2.1207838994e+05
[25-Nov-2009 11:49:18] <rhettardo> i dont know why its changing it though
[25-Nov-2009 12:28:43] <cgibbons> hurm
[25-Nov-2009 12:54:02] <cgibbons> so this week is the first time I'm making a 'real' ZenPack from scratch. should have done this 18 months ago :)
[25-Nov-2009 12:55:44] <ke4qqq> q
[25-Nov-2009 13:26:01] <rocket> cgibbons?
[25-Nov-2009 13:26:15] <mrayzenoss> looks like he left
[25-Nov-2009 13:26:52] <rocket> mrayzenoss: hrmm I hope he will understand the changes I want to make after going through that process :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:39:45] <rmatte> lol
[25-Nov-2009 13:40:15] <rmatte> by create a "real ZenPack", he means create it from scratch I assume?
[25-Nov-2009 13:40:24] <rmatte> like, without using Zenoss to generate it
[25-Nov-2009 13:41:44] <mrayzenoss> yeah, I think he's writing a new one from scratch
[25-Nov-2009 13:41:53] <rmatte> cool
[25-Nov-2009 13:42:32] <rmatte> I'm going to try my hand at writing a proper collector plugin and UI enhancement at some point soon
[25-Nov-2009 13:43:25] <rocket> rmatte: .... oooo scary ... :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:43:29] <rmatte> hehe
[25-Nov-2009 13:43:40] <rocket> I have done a few now from scratch ... :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:43:45] <rmatte> I wrote my first daemon zenpack, and it works
[25-Nov-2009 13:44:16] <rocket> I think I am going to rewrite the modeller daemon and command daemon into one ...
[25-Nov-2009 13:44:19] <rmatte> although it's not really done "properly" in the sense that it's not written like any of the other zenoss daemons
[25-Nov-2009 13:44:31] <rmatte> but it works
[25-Nov-2009 13:45:03] <rmatte> still have some enhancements to do to it, once it's 100% stable and I'm happy with it I'll release it publicly
[25-Nov-2009 13:46:12] <rmatte> rocket: what are the advantages of having them as a single daemon?
[25-Nov-2009 13:48:40] <rmatte> less duplication of code?
[25-Nov-2009 13:48:47] <rocket> rmatte: that is the thought
[25-Nov-2009 13:48:56] <rocket> I havent dug into it enough to see if it makes sense
[25-Nov-2009 13:48:57] <rmatte> ah
[25-Nov-2009 13:49:40] <rocket> but I know for ssh zenpacks it would be nice to be one .. otherwise I basically have to code the modeller and collector separately but its the same thing
[25-Nov-2009 13:50:17] <rmatte> ah yeh, you were mentioning that a while back
[25-Nov-2009 13:50:44] <rocket> I dont know if its possible to do my vision with the way performance templates are created etc
[25-Nov-2009 13:51:23] <rmatte> well, you won't know until you get in there and check
[25-Nov-2009 13:51:58] <rocket> heh i have a feeling i would have to rip the whole thing apart .. :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:52:08] <rmatte> could be
[25-Nov-2009 13:52:18] <rocket> and that probably would break everyone elses zenpacks etc ... ;p
[25-Nov-2009 13:52:25] <rmatte> probably
[25-Nov-2009 13:52:35] <rocket> another idea I have is to create a new data class
[25-Nov-2009 13:53:09] <rocket> the thought is to have everything reference the data class for data .. and the dataclass has subcomponents that are either zopedb,rrd, or mysql data etc
[25-Nov-2009 13:53:23] <rmatte> ah
[25-Nov-2009 13:53:24] <rmatte> cool
[25-Nov-2009 13:53:26] <rocket> basically build a common api for accessing data
[25-Nov-2009 13:53:51] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Nov-2009 13:54:17] <rocket> thats another thought anyway .. but its a complex beast .. ;p
[25-Nov-2009 13:54:25] <rmatte> hehe
[25-Nov-2009 13:54:59] <rocket> but in reality it should be done to allow for future growth ..
[25-Nov-2009 13:55:14] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Nov-2009 13:55:18] <rocket> eg if it needs to use oracle instead .. or some other object based backend for performance
[25-Nov-2009 13:56:01] <rocket> and it might even allow for customers etc to code their own custom data backends that can just be plugged in
[25-Nov-2009 13:56:21] <rocket> and then zenoss just graphs it or alerts on it ..
[25-Nov-2009 13:56:26] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Nov-2009 13:56:36] <rocket> again grand ideas but little to no design feasibility work .. :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:56:58] <rocket> heh I probably will end up going .. ugh .. not worth it .. ;p
[25-Nov-2009 13:57:16] <rmatte> sometimes things need to be left as they are, however flawed it may be
[25-Nov-2009 13:57:22] <rocket> agreed
[25-Nov-2009 13:57:41] <rocket> the lovely 80-20 rule .. :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:57:50] <rmatte> If your whole house is being held up by concrete blocks, are you really going to want to take the risk of replacing them with steel blocks?
[25-Nov-2009 13:58:02] <rocket> yes damnit .. :)
[25-Nov-2009 13:58:05] <rmatte> haha
[25-Nov-2009 13:58:25] <jrock2004> Trying to view Zenoss from my iPhone
[25-Nov-2009 13:58:31] <rocket> it might be chinese concrete .. oh wait was that drywall .. :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:58:37] <jrock2004> Looks good so far
[25-Nov-2009 13:58:52] <rmatte> jrock2004: yeh, I've viewed it on mine before and it seemed to work relatively well
[25-Nov-2009 13:58:57] <jrock2004> Google map portlet does not work
[25-Nov-2009 13:59:06] <adytum-bot> jrock2004: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[25-Nov-2009 13:59:23] <rocket> heh I am waiting till the day my company will support the droid and I can use that instead .. :p
[25-Nov-2009 13:59:54] <rmatte> hehe
[25-Nov-2009 14:00:52] <jrock2004> Now I just wish I could log into Zenoss when I am not in the office
[25-Nov-2009 14:01:03] <rmatte> jrock2004: it's called VPN
[25-Nov-2009 14:01:40] <jrock2004> Yeah site does not have that setup.
[25-Nov-2009 14:01:58] <jrock2004> I could use ssh tunneling but iphone does not support it yet
[25-Nov-2009 14:04:11] <jrock2004> I know there is a way if I jailbreak my iPhone. But I don't want to do that route
[25-Nov-2009 14:04:35] <rmatte> I have mine jailbroken and it's nice
[25-Nov-2009 14:04:39] <rmatte> works fine
[25-Nov-2009 14:04:54] <jrock2004> Yeah but did you hear about that virus that attacks the jail broken iphones
[25-Nov-2009 14:05:15] <rmatte> yeh, but only if you're an idiot and don't change the ssh password on your iphone
[25-Nov-2009 14:05:20] <chudler> heh, yeah I am amazed it took so long, with the default pw and all
[25-Nov-2009 14:05:27] <rmatte> it only affects people who leave the password at the default which is 'alpine'
[25-Nov-2009 14:05:30] <rmatte> and very well known
[25-Nov-2009 14:05:44] <rocket> rmatte: I am coming for your iphone ... ;p
[25-Nov-2009 14:05:54] <rocket> phear me ... :p
[25-Nov-2009 14:05:57] <rmatte> rocket: good luck :)
[25-Nov-2009 14:06:09] <rmatte> not to mention that I only toggle ssh on when I need it
[25-Nov-2009 14:06:09] <rocket> uh .. whats your address again? :)
[25-Nov-2009 14:06:12] <rmatte> it's off the rest of the time
[25-Nov-2009 14:06:21] <rmatte> rocket: :P
[25-Nov-2009 14:06:38] <rocket> can you by me the airline ticket to pick it up? :)
[25-Nov-2009 14:06:43] <rocket> buy
[25-Nov-2009 14:06:52] <rmatte> it's a gen-1 iphone
[25-Nov-2009 14:07:17] <rmatte> I'm going to get myself a 3GS soon enough
[25-Nov-2009 14:11:13] <rocket> like I said I am hoping to try the droid .. but I am forced into blackberry at the moment
[25-Nov-2009 14:11:44] <ckrough> I picked up a Droid. These things have publicly addressable IPs
[25-Nov-2009 14:11:47] <rocket> eg work requires me to have the blackberry and be connected in ... but they are researching other options
[25-Nov-2009 14:11:57] <ckrough> the Droid feels like the iPhone all over again. its great
[25-Nov-2009 14:12:04] <rocket> ckrough: really? :)
[25-Nov-2009 14:12:06] <ckrough> yeah
[25-Nov-2009 14:12:14] <ckrough> meaning, I feel like I did when I got the iPhone
[25-Nov-2009 14:12:15] <jrock2004> I heard people are not liking the driod
[25-Nov-2009 14:12:18] <ckrough> pfft
[25-Nov-2009 14:12:33] <rocket> ckrough: I am assuming with all the google stuff coming it will be quite the phone for data retrieval in the near future if not already
[25-Nov-2009 14:12:48] <ckrough> what do you mean by data retrieval?
[25-Nov-2009 14:13:04] <ckrough> the screen resolution is great, that plus the kbd and you can actually use SSH pretty well
[25-Nov-2009 14:13:11] <jrock2004> rmatte: I beat Assassins Creed 2
[25-Nov-2009 14:13:33] <Rocinante> Cool, send it over here and I'll try it now :P
[25-Nov-2009 14:13:44] <ckrough> woot. got this high performance collector doing over 300k OIDs in under 40s
[25-Nov-2009 14:13:55] <Rocinante> My wife didn't think that my son should get that for me for his birthday (he turned 2 on the 17th)
[25-Nov-2009 14:14:09] <Rocinante> Something about he should be the one getting presents, yadda yadda..
[25-Nov-2009 14:14:40] <rocket> whats with wifes wanting the kids to get all the presents ... ;p
[25-Nov-2009 14:14:52] <rocket> my wife has the same thoughts
[25-Nov-2009 14:17:03] <rmatte> jrock2004: nice, that was quick
[25-Nov-2009 14:17:37] <rmatte> jrock2004: I'm starting to get used to the MW2 online play
[25-Nov-2009 14:29:29] <cgibbons> didn't AC2 just come out?
[25-Nov-2009 14:29:33] <cgibbons> i haven't even finished 1
[25-Nov-2009 14:29:41] <cgibbons> not that it means anything given the # of hours per year i spend playing games of any kind :)
[25-Nov-2009 15:12:35] <rmatte> hehe
[25-Nov-2009 15:24:07] <jrock2004> rmatte: I was playing mw2. Still unrealistic as ever
[25-Nov-2009 15:26:29] <mrayzenoss> I just started Bioshock on my XBox… not sure I like it
[25-Nov-2009 15:27:25] <mrayzenoss> I'm always a few years behind the gaming curve
[25-Nov-2009 15:27:37] <mrayzenoss> but I love Left4Dead
[25-Nov-2009 15:27:55] <jrock2004> mrayzenoss: its cool. My wife keeps me behind cause she hates when I buy games lol
[25-Nov-2009 15:35:17] <mrayzenoss> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5864
[25-Nov-2009 15:36:05] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: didn't I see you post a work-around for this somewhere?
[25-Nov-2009 15:50:30] <cgibbons> ugh. now i get to learn how to create a custom catalog.
[25-Nov-2009 15:51:38] <jrock2004> Do I need to create a seperate login to create a ticket for Zenoss?
[25-Nov-2009 15:54:23] <jrock2004> I wanted to create a ticket for zenoss 2.5 overwriting my hw info when the device gets model
[25-Nov-2009 16:04:14] <Rocinante> jrock2004: zenoss/zenoss
[25-Nov-2009 16:04:25] <jrock2004> thank I just created the ticket
[25-Nov-2009 16:04:27] <Rocinante> (it's somewhere in the FAQ for creating tickets I think)
[25-Nov-2009 16:04:31] <jrock2004> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5865
[25-Nov-2009 16:04:48] <jrock2004> Hope I filled it out right ;)
[25-Nov-2009 16:05:50] * Rocinante <3 fail2ban
[25-Nov-2009 16:06:26] <Rocinante> 3 seconds after some nimrod starts SSH scanning hosts on the network, he picks up a 4-hour blackball entry in the firewall. Ahh...
[25-Nov-2009 16:49:47] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: I believe the workaround was to delete the ZenPack directories for those packs
[25-Nov-2009 16:50:04] <rmatte> there should be some in $ZENHOME/ZenPacks
[25-Nov-2009 16:50:48] <mrayzenoss> good to know, I'm just glad I figured out what was causing that bug
[25-Nov-2009 16:50:55] <rmatte> nice
[25-Nov-2009 16:51:05] <rmatte> yeh, that was becoming a fairly common bug
[25-Nov-2009 16:52:20] <rmatte> I've seen a few people having zenmigrate errors too: message/42575#42575
[25-Nov-2009 16:52:25] <rmatte> not sure if you could look in to that?
[25-Nov-2009 16:52:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Error in zenmigrate from 2.4.2 to 2.5.1 (at community.zenoss.org)
[25-Nov-2009 16:53:26] <mrayzenoss> passed it on to our QA manager… I'm way behind on my forum reading since I was out 2 weeks
[25-Nov-2009 16:53:49] <mrayzenoss> he asked me to forward him any new 2.5.1 issues
[25-Nov-2009 16:54:14] <mrayzenoss> spent most of today trying to get ZenPacks published
[25-Nov-2009 16:54:16] <rmatte> cool
[25-Nov-2009 16:54:25] <mrayzenoss> went down the rathole of that dependency bug
[25-Nov-2009 16:54:54] <mrayzenoss> and when I solved it I realized the VMware image doesn't have easy_install, so I can't test Egor's new ODBC ZenPacks
[25-Nov-2009 16:55:22] <rmatte> crappy
[25-Nov-2009 16:55:49] <mrayzenoss> well, he told me he's working on a hybrid one that uses either PyODBC or an installed ODBC tool, so that's cool
[25-Nov-2009 16:58:47] <mrayzenoss> but I gotta run, and I'll be out until Monday, so have a good week/end
[25-Nov-2009 17:09:11] <rmatte> later
[25-Nov-2009 17:09:21] <rmatte> have a good weekend too
[25-Nov-2009 17:37:01] * zenethian passes out cappuchino flavored turkeys
[25-Nov-2009 17:37:34] <zenethian> Or maybe turkey flavored cappuchinos
[25-Nov-2009 17:52:47] <cgibbons> yum
[25-Nov-2009 17:56:00] <cgibbons> and on that note...
[25-Nov-2009 18:07:31] <ironpaw> *yawwwnn*
[25-Nov-2009 18:07:36] <ironpaw> morning all
[25-Nov-2009 18:31:57] <ironpaw> quiet bunch today eh
[25-Nov-2009 18:36:01] <aclark> ironpaw: yo
[25-Nov-2009 18:46:57] <ironpaw> sappenin?
[25-Nov-2009 18:50:21] <aclark> not much
[25-Nov-2009 18:50:28] <aclark> fiddling with buildout as usual
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[26-Nov-2009 04:48:51] <tehhobbit> uuuhm just discovered that all my perfgraphs disappered when I upgraded to 2.5
[26-Nov-2009 06:10:20] <AsGF2MX> Hi
[26-Nov-2009 06:12:18] <chemist> hello
[26-Nov-2009 06:13:59] <AsGF2MX> I'm a little stuck with a graph that doesn't want to create itself. Seems like the RRD file is missing.
[26-Nov-2009 06:14:35] <AsGF2MX> What should I be looking into?
[26-Nov-2009 06:16:26] <AsGF2MX> Any ideas chemist?
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[26-Nov-2009 11:00:51] <rmatte> Are the log files in $ZENHOME/log automatically rotated via logrotate, or is the rotation actually coded in to each individual daemon?
[26-Nov-2009 11:52:30] <rmatte> man, the python documentation for the logger module blows ass
[26-Nov-2009 11:52:41] <rmatte> logging module rather
[26-Nov-2009 12:00:12] <rmatte> eugh, finally got this logging code working but I can't figure out why the heck it's not working properly in my actual script
[26-Nov-2009 12:25:44] <rmatte> well, apparently I wasn't calling it early enough
[26-Nov-2009 12:28:05] <rmatte> but now when I define it early and then call on logging later it doesn't work
[26-Nov-2009 12:28:11] * rmatte tears his hair out
[26-Nov-2009 13:18:36] <rmatte> anyone know how I would re-define logging.basicConfig after doing a bunch of imports?
[26-Nov-2009 13:19:07] <rmatte> it looks like after I import the Zenoss stuff (globals, dmd, etc...) it sets logging.basicConfig and I can't override what gets set
[26-Nov-2009 13:23:43] <rmatte> Ah, I figured it out
[26-Nov-2009 13:23:45] <rmatte> had to add
[26-Nov-2009 13:23:46] <rmatte> for handler in logging.root.handlers[:]:
[26-Nov-2009 13:23:46] <rmatte> logging.root.removeHandler(handler)
[26-Nov-2009 14:54:14] <rmatte> sweet, figured out how to redirect error output to my daemon's logfile
[26-Nov-2009 14:55:29] <rmatte> now I just need to get it properly logging that it's stopping the daemon
[26-Nov-2009 15:09:03] <rmatte> awesome, finally done with the logging
[26-Nov-2009 15:52:10] <rmatte> man it's dead in here today
[26-Nov-2009 15:52:28] <kisielk> Thanksgiving I guess
[26-Nov-2009 15:55:56] <rmatte> ah, forgot about that, canadian thanksgiving isn't at the same time
[26-Nov-2009 15:56:20] <rmatte> ours was October 12th
[26-Nov-2009 16:01:31] <kisielk> yeah, I'm in Canada too :)
[26-Nov-2009 16:09:05] <rmatte> cool
[26-Nov-2009 16:09:39] <rmatte> ah, vancouver
[26-Nov-2009 16:17:33] <troy-> where can i modify the base URL of google maps inside ZenOSS?
[26-Nov-2009 16:37:06] <rmatte> base URL?
[26-Nov-2009 16:37:13] <rmatte> like where it's pulling google maps from?
[26-Nov-2009 16:51:55] <otakup0pe> strange. i'm having parameters in a regexp end up being null, but the regexp still matching
[26-Nov-2009 16:52:23] <otakup0pe> regexp's which are (?P<foo>.+) so there should always be *something* in foo, if the regexp evaludated ?
[26-Nov-2009 16:52:27] <otakup0pe> *evaluated
[26-Nov-2009 17:02:02] <ironpaw> morning rmatte
[26-Nov-2009 17:03:18] <otakup0pe> on a related note, what's an easy way of testing event transforms
[26-Nov-2009 17:04:30] <ironpaw> so yer canadians eh?
[26-Nov-2009 17:04:34] <ironpaw> nice one
[26-Nov-2009 17:04:34] <otakup0pe> i am heh
[26-Nov-2009 17:04:48] <otakup0pe> happy turkey day all you yankees
[26-Nov-2009 17:05:08] <ironpaw> haha
[26-Nov-2009 17:05:20] <ironpaw> ive got a bit of canadian in me
[26-Nov-2009 17:05:26] <ironpaw> (but not at this exact moment)
[26-Nov-2009 17:05:30] <ironpaw> that sounds a bit suss
[26-Nov-2009 17:05:42] <rmatte> lol
[26-Nov-2009 17:05:53] <rmatte> otakup0pe: wait for an event to come in, that's the best way
[26-Nov-2009 17:06:01] <otakup0pe> heh yeah that's what i guessed.
[26-Nov-2009 17:06:17] <otakup0pe> yeah this is wierd. one of the parameters gets parsed fine, the others end up as none
[26-Nov-2009 17:07:47] <otakup0pe> http://pastebin.ca/1688768 only useragent is set
[26-Nov-2009 17:07:55] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Stuff - post number 1688768 (at pastebin.ca)
[26-Nov-2009 17:08:16] <otakup0pe> 99% of url's show up fine
[26-Nov-2009 17:12:03] <rmatte> otakup0pe: http://gskinner.com/RegExr/
[26-Nov-2009 17:12:14] <adytum-bot> Title: RegExr: Online Regular Expression Testing Tool (at gskinner.com)
[26-Nov-2009 17:12:27] <otakup0pe> according to zenoss the regexp works fine
[26-Nov-2009 17:12:30] <otakup0pe> but this is an awesome page thx
[26-Nov-2009 17:12:37] <rmatte> np
[26-Nov-2009 17:14:44] <ironpaw> so where in canaidia are you guys from?
[26-Nov-2009 17:14:51] <otakup0pe> montreal
[26-Nov-2009 17:14:54] <rmatte> Ottawa
[26-Nov-2009 17:15:05] <ironpaw> sweeet
[26-Nov-2009 17:15:25] <ironpaw> my families in welland/st catherines/niagera falls
[26-Nov-2009 17:15:32] <rmatte> cool
[26-Nov-2009 17:15:43] <ironpaw> it would be this time of year wouldn't it?
[26-Nov-2009 17:15:44] <ironpaw> :P
[26-Nov-2009 17:15:49] <ironpaw> snow yet?
[26-Nov-2009 17:16:01] <rmatte> we had 1 snowfall like a month ago, but nothing since
[26-Nov-2009 17:16:07] <rmatte> I'm sure it's just around the corner though
[26-Nov-2009 17:16:32] <ironpaw> hehe
[26-Nov-2009 17:16:37] <ironpaw> bring on the blizzards eh
[26-Nov-2009 17:16:43] <rmatte> yup
[26-Nov-2009 17:16:59] <rmatte> alright well, I've had just about as much coding as I can stand for today so I'm out
[26-Nov-2009 17:17:05] <rmatte> take care folks, I'll be around tomorrow
[26-Nov-2009 17:17:05] <ironpaw> hehe later
[26-Nov-2009 17:18:36] <otakup0pe> oh i think it was just me sucking at regexps. wow that site is sweet.
[26-Nov-2009 17:18:55] <otakup0pe> ever since i've started using python on other projcts my zenoss event transforms are getting kinda silly
[26-Nov-2009 17:19:00] <otakup0pe> need to make the transform textbox bigger ;)
[26-Nov-2009 18:09:54] * kisielk is from Vancouver
[26-Nov-2009 18:10:03] <kisielk> lots of rain here, no snow
[26-Nov-2009 18:10:18] <kisielk> it's been raining for almost 2 weeks now
[26-Nov-2009 18:14:27] <troy-> rmatte: yes, i want to adjust the base URL where data from google maps is called
[26-Nov-2009 18:14:43] <troy-> in order to use a reverse proxy to handle SSL
[26-Nov-2009 18:15:04] <troy-> right now google maps is creating an insecure object on an otherwise secure portal :P
[26-Nov-2009 18:42:07] <troy-> can anyone advice if locationGeoMap.pt & simpleLocationGeoMap are the only two spots?
[26-Nov-2009 21:02:37] <troy-> where can i modify the base URL of google maps?
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[27-Nov-2009 06:26:46] <Dieterbe> hi, every so often i get `Unable to save data for OID` events for localhost (==monitoring machine). but i can't figure out where they come from
[27-Nov-2009 06:28:35] <Dieterbe> here is all info about the event: http://pastebin.ca/1689453
[27-Nov-2009 06:28:43] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - Anonymous - post number 1689453 (at pastebin.ca)
[27-Nov-2009 08:17:41] <rmatte> hmmm, I'm seeing a lot of "Unable to read processes on device" events lately
[27-Nov-2009 08:27:58] <chemist> I've checked and re-checked my alerting ruls, but zenoss still insists on sending 2 emails for some events
[27-Nov-2009 08:28:39] <chemist> zenactions log shows the rule being processed and sending one email
[27-Nov-2009 08:28:52] <chemist> but my inbox has 2 of each
[27-Nov-2009 08:47:26] <chemist> is this ever going to be implemented? http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/3693
[27-Nov-2009 09:13:42] <rmatte> chemist: that probably won't get implemented for quite a while
[27-Nov-2009 09:16:23] <chemist> thats a shame
[27-Nov-2009 09:16:34] <chemist> it would be quite a useful feature
[27-Nov-2009 09:18:09] <rmatte> chemist: there's other stuff that I would like to see fixed before that
[27-Nov-2009 09:18:14] <rmatte> chemist: like zenprocess
[27-Nov-2009 09:18:35] <rmatte> chemist: plus there's a lot of time being devoted to the re-design of the UI, so once that's done then they'll be able to focus on other stuff
[27-Nov-2009 09:18:43] <rmatte> reporting is another huge thing I'd like to see improved
[27-Nov-2009 09:19:28] <jrock2004> rmatte: What would you like to see done in reporting?
[27-Nov-2009 09:20:20] <rmatte> jrock2004: it just needs to be improved overall. The system to generate custom reports is a joke, you can only do very very limited stuff with it.
[27-Nov-2009 09:20:37] <jrock2004> That I do agree
[27-Nov-2009 09:20:57] <rmatte> jrock2004: It should keep a cache of reports so if someone requests the exact same report as someone else requested it doesn't go through the whole process of generating a report again, it just loads the cached report
[27-Nov-2009 09:21:03] <chemist> any ideas on my duplicate email problem?
[27-Nov-2009 09:21:07] <rmatte> there are major usability and performance issues with the existing system
[27-Nov-2009 09:21:31] <rmatte> chemist: do the 2 emails come in back to back?
[27-Nov-2009 09:21:36] <chemist> yes
[27-Nov-2009 09:21:43] <rmatte> chemist: so there's no delay between them?
[27-Nov-2009 09:21:48] <chemist> no
[27-Nov-2009 09:21:57] <rmatte> chemist: have you tried restarting Zenoss?
[27-Nov-2009 09:22:02] <chemist> yes
[27-Nov-2009 09:22:18] <chemist> I might try deleting the rule and creating it again
[27-Nov-2009 09:22:20] <rmatte> no idea then, I've never had issues with email alerts in Zenoss
[27-Nov-2009 09:22:50] <jrock2004> I too have never had a duplicate email issue
[27-Nov-2009 09:23:06] <rmatte> unless you have a repeat time set to 1 or something
[27-Nov-2009 09:23:22] <chemist> no, it's set to 0
[27-Nov-2009 09:23:57] <jrock2004> It sounds like your alerting rule got messed up. Do you have multiple users in Zenoss?
[27-Nov-2009 09:24:04] <chemist> yes
[27-Nov-2009 09:24:18] <chemist> but alerts are only set for one user
[27-Nov-2009 09:24:27] <jrock2004> could be someone put in an email address that forwards a copy to your email address
[27-Nov-2009 09:24:33] <jrock2004> ah ok
[27-Nov-2009 09:24:54] <chemist> it's a generic account that emails to a group mailbox
[27-Nov-2009 09:25:19] <jrock2004> rmatte: I would love to see a UI that detects when you are on a mobile device and forms the pages better
[27-Nov-2009 09:26:40] <jrock2004> chemist: hmm.... Does this group mailbox get used for other things? If so do you see duplicates there?
[27-Nov-2009 09:27:56] <chemist> yes, that is where all the dupes are turning up
[27-Nov-2009 09:28:30] <rmatte> jrock2004: not sure if that's going to happen, but maybe
[27-Nov-2009 09:29:08] <rmatte> chemist: what he means is, perhaps the group mailbox is the issue
[27-Nov-2009 09:29:24] <chemist> I'm going to force an event now to check that
[27-Nov-2009 09:29:53] <chemist> but as far as I can make out, it is only happening with one specific rule
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[27-Nov-2009 09:41:02] <rmatte> nice split
[27-Nov-2009 09:41:51] <jrock2004> chemist: Yeah it sounds like the issue might be the group list and not Zenoss
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[27-Nov-2009 10:35:53] <chemist> sorry, was afk
[27-Nov-2009 10:36:11] <jrock2004> its cool
[27-Nov-2009 10:36:12] <chemist> it's only doing it with one rule
[27-Nov-2009 10:36:28] <chemist> I am going to delete it, restart zenoss and create it again
[27-Nov-2009 10:46:03] <chemist> that fixed it
[27-Nov-2009 10:46:26] <chemist> deleting the alerting rule, restart, recreate rule
[27-Nov-2009 12:13:54] <jrock2004> cool
[27-Nov-2009 15:17:52] <rmatte> bigegor: g'day
[27-Nov-2009 15:18:15] <bigegor> rmatte: hey
[27-Nov-2009 15:18:29] <rmatte> bigegor: congrats on becoming a Zenoss Master :)
[27-Nov-2009 15:18:44] <bigegor> thanks
[27-Nov-2009 15:18:53] <rmatte> did you get your jacket yet?
[27-Nov-2009 15:19:05] <bigegor> no
[27-Nov-2009 15:19:17] <rmatte> ah, you'll like it, they are surprisingly nice
[27-Nov-2009 15:20:59] <bigegor> :)
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[28-Nov-2009 07:23:08] <sergeymasushko> hi 2 all. I have a question about 'Production States' according to the manual 'Maintenance - you want monitoring and collection to occur, and maybe or maybe not the device on the dashboard, just not alerting occurring'. I have a device in the 'Maintenance' state. but host UP/DOWN alerts are occurring. Is it a bug, or it is a feature?
[28-Nov-2009 07:37:47] <chemist> sergeymasushko: where are the events occurroing?
[28-Nov-2009 07:38:23] <chemist> in the devices' device console?
[28-Nov-2009 07:38:30] <sergeymasushko> I receive alerts on email
[28-Nov-2009 07:39:48] <chemist> then you need to change your alerting rules
[28-Nov-2009 07:41:03] <sergeymasushko> for what?
[28-Nov-2009 07:41:03] <sergeymasushko> I can do it
[28-Nov-2009 07:41:27] <chemist> I only want to get alerted to eventsin production servers,so I have all my alerting rules set to 'Production State = Production'
[28-Nov-2009 07:42:04] <sergeymasushko> mm, it make sense...
[28-Nov-2009 07:43:49] <chemist> zenoss will still collect info on those devices not in production, but will not alert to any events
[28-Nov-2009 07:44:01] <chemist> but it will still all be there in event history
[28-Nov-2009 07:46:45] <sergeymasushko> it would be enough
[28-Nov-2009 09:04:58] <chemist> I really must learn python
[28-Nov-2009 09:05:15] <chemist> can someone help me with a simple transform?
[28-Nov-2009 09:05:15] <sergeymasushko> :)
[28-Nov-2009 09:08:39] <chemist> I need to drop any events from the component Userenv on a specific machine
[28-Nov-2009 13:18:24] <chemist> anybody out there?
[28-Nov-2009 14:35:47] <chemist> ping
[28-Nov-2009 18:09:31] <troy-> is it possible to modify the production states widget to sort by domain?
[28-Nov-2009 18:09:52] <troy-> err alphabetical & by domain i should say
[28-Nov-2009 21:47:48] <troy-> can anyone tell me the API url in locationGeoMap.pt?
[28-Nov-2009 21:52:11] <troy-> never mind
[28-Nov-2009 21:52:15] <troy-> why is this channel useless?
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[29-Nov-2009 11:08:56] <chemist> troy-_: it's only useless if no one is here, and that is to be expected at the weekend
[29-Nov-2009 11:09:19] <chemist> unless you're working over the weekend, like myself
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[29-Nov-2009 19:06:03] <troy-> is there a guide to setting up vmware esxi snmp traps in zenoss?
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[30-Nov-2009 07:36:23] <TBKDan> I can't start up zenstatus... :-( I keep getting the following error in the zenstatus.log: http://pastebin.com/m59cdb740
[30-Nov-2009 07:36:34] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[30-Nov-2009 07:47:23] <TBKDan> Hrm, apparently a re-index did the trick o.O
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[30-Nov-2009 09:01:49] <jrock2004> Does Zenoss offer any certifications?
[30-Nov-2009 09:19:42] <rmatte> jrock2004: no, not at the moment
[30-Nov-2009 09:19:54] <rmatte> jrock2004: though I wish they did since I could probably breeze through it
[30-Nov-2009 09:19:58] <jrock2004> That would be cool if they did
[30-Nov-2009 09:40:51] <rmatte> yeh
[30-Nov-2009 10:09:46] <jbwjbw> Ryan Matte susgested I join this channe related to my issues trying to import or use MIBs under 2.5.x, I had no issues with loading and using MIBs before 2.5 now the MIBs load but traps not get translated based on the MIBs. I see the MIBs/OIDs are in zenoss after import and I've restarted zentrap and the entire zenoss server. Any ideas?
[30-Nov-2009 10:18:15] <jb> so whats the way to deal with a bloated ibdata?
[30-Nov-2009 10:23:47] <rmatte> hey
[30-Nov-2009 10:24:33] <jbwjbw> Hey
[30-Nov-2009 10:24:37] <rmatte> yeh, I'm off to lunch soon myself
[30-Nov-2009 10:24:50] <jbwjbw> Ya, I just grabbed mine :-)
[30-Nov-2009 10:25:15] <rmatte> ...but first I need to figure out how to use this stupid Microsoft CRM Outlook plugin
[30-Nov-2009 10:25:18] * rmatte tears hair out
[30-Nov-2009 10:25:50] <rmatte> I updated it and restarted then the system memory dumped, so I'm guessing that's not necessarily a good sign
[30-Nov-2009 10:26:13] <jbwjbw> I think it's safe to say that's not a good sign
[30-Nov-2009 10:28:05] <rmatte> hehe
[30-Nov-2009 10:28:28] <rmatte> oh well, it's just a windows VM that I use for E-Mail and managing my ESX boxes, so no big deal if I have to reinstall
[30-Nov-2009 10:28:38] <rmatte> plus then I can get windows 7 on it instead of Vista
[30-Nov-2009 11:13:40] <jbwjbw> Ryan, you back from lunch by chance?
[30-Nov-2009 11:39:04] <Kristopher4> Good Morning all, I need some help figuring out how to add MIBS and create transformers to change the recieved data (e.g. temperature from C to F.) Is there a good FAQ or is someone avail to walk me through this? Thanks a bunch
[30-Nov-2009 11:42:34] <rbd> hey guys...running zenoss core 2.4.1 ... I'm watching some ubuntu boxes (which have NET snmpd on them)... I have an application that we develop running on these boxes, and I'd like it to be able to send out an SNMP trap event to zenoss on certain custom events... can anyone supply some pointers (do I do something with snmptrapd...send a trap message to the snmpd daemon, send it directly to zenoss, etc?)
[30-Nov-2009 11:55:37] <rmatte> rbd: beyond configuring it to send traps to the Zenoss box, you'd need to google for a guide on configuring custom traps
[30-Nov-2009 11:56:12] <rmatte> jbwjbw: sorry, I'm still not quite here yet, working on adding 5 months worth of CRM records
[30-Nov-2009 11:58:00] <kobalt> how was everyones thanksgiving
[30-Nov-2009 11:58:26] <jbwjbw> Good
[30-Nov-2009 11:59:42] <jbwjbw> Trying to remove ZenPacks.community.mib_utils but can't. Trying to make sure it being installed from before 2.5 is not causing my current issues. I can't un-install, any help? Here is the error: Type: NotImplementedError
[30-Nov-2009 11:59:42] <jbwjbw> Value:
[30-Nov-2009 11:59:42] <jbwjbw> Traceback (innermost last): Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 119, in publish Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 42, in call_object Module Products.ZenModel.ZenPackManager, line 194, in manage_removeZenPacks Module Products.ZenUtils.ZenPackCmd, line 800, in RemoveZenPack Module ZenPacks.community.mib_utils, line 36, in remove Module Products.ZenModel.ZenPack, line 291, in remove Module Pr
[30-Nov-2009 12:09:04] <jbwjbw> Never mind about the ZenPack, I figured out how to remove it another way
[30-Nov-2009 12:15:30] <rmatte> jbwjbw: how did you remove it?
[30-Nov-2009 12:16:29] <jbwjbw> I click on the zenpack and below towards the bottom I selected the different items provided by the zenpack, removed those and then I was able to remove the zenpack itself. Not sure if that was the right way to do it but I could not remove it otherwise
[30-Nov-2009 12:19:16] <rmatte> not really, had you not restarted Zenoss after initially installing the pack?
[30-Nov-2009 12:19:54] <jbwjbw> I'm not sure if I restarted it right after but it has been restarted a number of times since it was first installed under 2.4.x
[30-Nov-2009 12:20:03] <rmatte> alright
[30-Nov-2009 12:20:11] <jbwjbw> I think I did re-start it right after to see it work
[30-Nov-2009 12:20:24] <jbwjbw> But it would not un-install under 2.5.1 as is
[30-Nov-2009 12:20:48] <rmatte> I'd install it again, restart Zenoss, and then remove it properly
[30-Nov-2009 12:21:01] <jbwjbw> Ok, let me try that to be safe
[30-Nov-2009 12:21:31] <rmatte> that particular pack may not have been tested with 2.5.1, so it may be broken
[30-Nov-2009 12:21:39] <rmatte> but install it again and see
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:29] <jbwjbw> No handlers could be found for logger "root"
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:30] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 13:21:17,610 INFO zen.ZPLoader: Loading /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.mib_utils-1.08-py2.4.egg/ZenPacks/community/mib_utils/objects/objects.xml
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:30] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 13:21:17,841 ERROR zen.ZPLoader: Error adding pack to /zport/dmd/zenMenus/Mib_list/zenMenuItems/addToZenPack
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:30] <jbwjbw> ObjectNotFound: object /zport/dmd/zenMenus/Mib_list/zenMenuItems/addToZenPack not found on relation ZenPacks.community.mib_utils/packables
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:31] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 13:21:17,863 INFO zen.AddToPack: End loading objects
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:33] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 13:21:17,864 INFO zen.AddToPack: Processing links
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:35] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 13:21:17,986 INFO zen.AddToPack: Loaded 0 objects into the ZODB database
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:37] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 13:21:18,016 INFO zen.HookReportLoader: loading reports from:/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.mib_utils-1.08-py2.4.egg/ZenPacks/community/mib_utils/reports
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:40] <jbwjbw> Done installing ZenPack.
[30-Nov-2009 12:22:42] <jbwjbw> Restarting zenoss now
[30-Nov-2009 12:24:22] <rmatte> by the way, have you tried installing the Mib that you're having problems with from the commandline?
[30-Nov-2009 12:24:28] <rmatte> or have you only installed it via the UI?
[30-Nov-2009 12:25:46] <jbwjbw> I usually try it via the command line where I've done the others from. I tried it from the GUI for the MIB that has just one trap and same thing, just does not match. Old MIBs loaded before I upgraded to 2.5.x still work. Un-installing and re-installing a MIB cases it to stop working.
[30-Nov-2009 12:26:05] <rmatte> strange
[30-Nov-2009 12:26:14] <jbwjbw> Ok, I can't un-install the ZenPack after it was installed
[30-Nov-2009 12:26:35] <rmatte> ok, the pack is probably not compatible with 2.5 then
[30-Nov-2009 12:26:45] <rmatte> I'll mention it to Matt Ray next time he's around
[30-Nov-2009 12:27:05] <jbwjbw> That's what I'm thinking. If I remove all the items under "ZenPack Provides" then I can remove the zenpack
[30-Nov-2009 12:27:17] <rmatte> yeh
[30-Nov-2009 12:27:32] <kobalt> so if I am setting up multiple collectors do they need to be on the same type aka 32bit vs 64bit
[30-Nov-2009 12:27:59] <rmatte> kobalt: doubt it, since all of the components communicate via tcp/ip
[30-Nov-2009 12:28:34] <rmatte> kobalt: so it shouldn't matter if it's 32 or 64
[30-Nov-2009 12:28:38] <jbwjbw> I just don't know if having that zenpack installed in the past and then upgrading to 2.5.x is causing my probem or something else.....
[30-Nov-2009 12:28:50] <kobalt> rmatte: the only thing I worry about is RRD files
[30-Nov-2009 12:29:02] <rmatte> jbwjbw: doubt it, it may be a bug with zenmib that hasn't been caught
[30-Nov-2009 12:29:23] <rmatte> jbwjbw: you'd have to test on a fresh Zenoss install of 2.5.1 to be sure
[30-Nov-2009 12:29:36] <jbwjbw> Do you have a way of removing, re-building a MIB and sending a trap to see if you have the same issue?
[30-Nov-2009 12:29:42] <jbwjbw> That is true
[30-Nov-2009 12:30:02] <rmatte> Our lab is very limited at the moment, so unfortunately, no
[30-Nov-2009 12:30:26] <kobalt> jbwjbw I upgraded from 2.4.3 to 2.5.0 then to 2.5.1 with the zenpack installed and have no issues
[30-Nov-2009 12:30:49] <jbwjbw> Have you installed any new MIBs since going to 2.5.x?
[30-Nov-2009 12:31:02] <jbwjbw> And the traps are getting translated correctly?
[30-Nov-2009 12:31:04] <kobalt> yes
[30-Nov-2009 12:31:06] <kobalt> and yes
[30-Nov-2009 12:31:22] <jbwjbw> Stink, has to be something on my box!
[30-Nov-2009 12:31:55] <jbwjbw> I have lines like this in the zopectl, anyone know what they might mean?
[30-Nov-2009 12:31:56] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30T13:09:16 ERROR Zope.ZCatalog uncatalogObject unsuccessfully attempted to uncatalog an object with a uid of /zport/dmd/Mibs/mibs/XIV-MIB/nodes/xivUtilizationSoft. ------ 2009-11-30T13:09:16 ERROR Zope.ZCatalog uncatalogObject unsuccessfully attempted to uncatalog an object with a uid of /zport/dmd/Mibs/mibs/XIV-MIB/notifications/xivTrap. ------
[30-Nov-2009 12:32:32] <rmatte> jbwjbw: have you done a reindex in zendmd recently?
[30-Nov-2009 12:32:33] <jbwjbw> I belive these come up when I try to remove or install a MIB now
[30-Nov-2009 12:32:49] <jbwjbw> I did, I was so hoping that would fix my issue
[30-Nov-2009 12:33:08] <jbwjbw> I did a reindex, commit, and Ctrl-D
[30-Nov-2009 12:33:10] <rmatte> well, then I'm not sure what the issue is, but you have some issue with your Zope DB apparently
[30-Nov-2009 12:38:10] <jbwjbw> I also removed the deviceAdvDetail zenpack to just to be safe a while back, it seem to install ok but I still get messages about it in the logs, is there some other way to make sure this zenpack is cleanly removed?
[30-Nov-2009 12:39:19] <jbwjbw> Or when running zendmd, for example I get: "2009-11-30 13:38:46 ERROR root ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail>=1.1"
[30-Nov-2009 12:39:23] <jbwjbw> Even though it's been removed
[30-Nov-2009 12:39:50] <rmatte> I'm guessing that doing a new install of Zenoss and migrating everything over to it is not an option?
[30-Nov-2009 12:40:18] <jbwjbw> It took a long time to get the MIBs installed that we use, that would be the biggest pain for me I'm thinking
[30-Nov-2009 12:40:34] <rmatte> jbwjbw: make a ZenPack and add the Mibs to it
[30-Nov-2009 12:40:51] <rmatte> jbwjbw: then just install that ZenPack on the new install and voila, same Mibs
[30-Nov-2009 12:41:10] <rmatte> jbwjbw: that's how we do it here
[30-Nov-2009 12:41:49] <rmatte> bigegor: aloha
[30-Nov-2009 12:41:52] <jbwjbw> The backups I do via the GUI, can I go back to before I upgraded to 2.5.x? I'm guessing not
[30-Nov-2009 12:42:03] <rmatte> jbwjbw: no, you can't
[30-Nov-2009 12:42:13] <rmatte> jbwjbw: they don't behave like snapshots
[30-Nov-2009 12:42:14] <bigegor> rmatte: hey
[30-Nov-2009 12:42:19] <jbwjbw> I figured I should have done a more complete backup
[30-Nov-2009 12:42:32] <rmatte> jbwjbw: is the server running as a VM?
[30-Nov-2009 12:42:51] <jbwjbw> It is but I did not take a snap shot before I upgraded
[30-Nov-2009 12:42:59] <rmatte> yeh, ALWAYS do
[30-Nov-2009 12:43:22] <rmatte> There's no point in running it as a VM and not reaping the benefits of it
[30-Nov-2009 12:43:25] <jbwjbw> I think I did or was going to but the snapshot timed out and I just went ahead with the upgrade any ways, crossing my fingers!
[30-Nov-2009 12:43:44] <jbwjbw> No I could kick myslef
[30-Nov-2009 12:43:46] <rmatte> production system?
[30-Nov-2009 12:43:46] <jbwjbw> Myself
[30-Nov-2009 12:43:56] <jbwjbw> I'm trying to make it a production system
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:06] <rmatte> production system + crossing fingers == EPIC FAIL
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:09] <rmatte> :)
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:12] <jbwjbw> I was going to do some cross training this week for my team
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:18] <rmatte> ah
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:33] <jbwjbw> I should have shutdown the vm and cloned it
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:38] <jbwjbw> too late now
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:40] <rmatte> If I were you I'd just setup a clean install and migrate everything over (while keeping the old one running)
[30-Nov-2009 12:44:50] <rmatte> then when you're satisfied with the new install, kill the old one
[30-Nov-2009 12:45:21] <rmatte> I'll be holding off on upgrading to 2.5 for quite a while
[30-Nov-2009 12:45:38] <rmatte> I already worked my butt off to patch up our 2.4.5 boxes so that they run as expected
[30-Nov-2009 12:45:44] <jbwjbw> If I try and restore the backup made of zenoss, likey what's messed up now will still be messed up after restore correct?
[30-Nov-2009 12:45:45] <rmatte> so I'm in no rush to jump in
[30-Nov-2009 12:46:04] <rmatte> jbwjbw: not necessarily
[30-Nov-2009 12:46:14] <rmatte> jbwjbw: but it's possible, you won't know until you try
[30-Nov-2009 12:46:39] <jbwjbw> I should have stayed away from 2.5.x but I just figured I'd get it as current as possible before going live
[30-Nov-2009 12:46:42] <jbwjbw> Bad idea
[30-Nov-2009 12:47:26] <rmatte> 2.5 still needs work in my opinion
[30-Nov-2009 12:47:49] <jbwjbw> I'd have to agree now that I've been using/playing with it for a bit now
[30-Nov-2009 12:48:20] <rmatte> I'm keeping my eye on it and doing whatever beta testing that I can
[30-Nov-2009 12:48:37] <rmatte> Once I'm fairly satisfied with it's state, then I'll start conducting upgrade tests
[30-Nov-2009 12:50:43] <rmatte> jbwjbw: If you decide to go back to 2.4.5 you may find the following patches to be useful: docs/DOC-4434
[30-Nov-2009 12:50:44] <jbwjbw> We'll I guess I'll try and build another VM and installed a 2.4.5 on it and try and restore a zenbackup before I upgraded to 2.5.x or something.......
[30-Nov-2009 12:50:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Post-2.4.5 Patches (at community.zenoss.org)
[30-Nov-2009 12:50:56] <rmatte> I strongly recommend those patches for 2.4.5
[30-Nov-2009 12:53:01] <jbwjbw> It's just fustrating I can't fix this.... so close and yet so far away
[30-Nov-2009 12:53:35] <jbwjbw> I don't like that somewhere it thinks ZenPack deviceAdvDetail is still installed
[30-Nov-2009 12:53:37] <jbwjbw> ....
[30-Nov-2009 12:54:38] <jbwjbw> I'll try install and remove to see if that will do anything...
[30-Nov-2009 12:59:16] cgibbons_ is now known as cgibbons
[30-Nov-2009 13:00:32] <rmatte> jbwjbw: ummm, actually
[30-Nov-2009 13:00:49] <rmatte> jbwjbw: have you checked in $ZENHOME/ZenPacks to see if there's still a ZenPack directory for the pack?
[30-Nov-2009 13:00:57] <rmatte> if there is, delete it, and that will solve the problem
[30-Nov-2009 13:01:08] <rmatte> same goes for any other ZenPacks that you get messages like that for
[30-Nov-2009 13:18:17] <jbwjbw> Your right there is some stuff in there from that zenpack!
[30-Nov-2009 13:20:20] <rmatte> yup
[30-Nov-2009 13:20:47] <rmatte> you also posted an error message with "(3 conflicts (0 unresolved) since startup at Mon Nov 30 10:35:34 2009)" at the end of it
[30-Nov-2009 13:21:01] <rmatte> that means that there were 3 conflicts but 0 were unresolved (it resolved all of them)
[30-Nov-2009 13:21:04] <rmatte> so that's harmless
[30-Nov-2009 13:21:12] <jbwjbw> Ok, that's good to know
[30-Nov-2009 13:43:33] <jbwjbw> Well all my errors are cleared up but of couse the traps for the MIBs I've imported still are not getting matched/translated... I was hoping once I cleaned up/removed the old zenpacks, things might hve start working.... no such luck
[30-Nov-2009 13:44:26] <rmatte> and if you check zentrap.log what do you see?
[30-Nov-2009 13:44:33] <jbwjbw> I still don't like the ConflictError error but as you say with 0 unresolved it's not a probem
[30-Nov-2009 13:44:46] <rmatte> those conflicterrors are common
[30-Nov-2009 13:44:57] <rmatte> it's nothing to worry about as long as it shows 0 unresolved
[30-Nov-2009 13:46:28] <jbwjbw> There is a bunch of stuff as I have debug turned on for zentrap. Here is the first part from the trap coming in:
[30-Nov-2009 13:47:19] <jbwjbw> Here is a few more lines
[30-Nov-2009 13:47:20] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 14:40:36,114 DEBUG zen.ZenTrap: snmp trap enterprises.2021.77.1.2.0.1
[30-Nov-2009 13:47:20] <jbwjbw> 2009-11-30 14:40:36,115 DEBUG zen.ZenTrap: Queueing event {'enterprises.2021.77.1.3.1.1.1': 435, 'enterprises.2021.77.1.3.1.1.2': 'USER_LOGIN_SUCCEEDED', 'enterprises.2021.77.1.3.1.1.3': '2009-11-30 14:40:33', 'enterprises.2021.77.1.3.1.1.4': "User 'jwilloughby' successfully logged into the system.", 'enterprises.2021.77.1.3.1.1.5': 0, 'enterprises.2021.77.1.3.1.1.6': '', 'eventClassKey': 'enterprises.2021.77.1.2.0.1', 'oid': '1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.77.1.3.1.1.6',
[30-Nov-2009 13:47:46] <jbwjbw> It seems to just not translate the trap and shows it as just "enterprises.2021.77.1.2.0.1"
[30-Nov-2009 13:47:51] <jbwjbw> But the OID is in zenoss
[30-Nov-2009 13:49:02] <jbwjbw> It's so odd and thus far non-obvious
[30-Nov-2009 13:49:31] <rmatte> now that the zenmib pack is uninstalled, try removing the Mib and re-adding it
[30-Nov-2009 13:49:38] <rmatte> (from the command line)
[30-Nov-2009 13:50:32] <jbwjbw> What's the command line for removing the mib? I've always installed them via the command line but removed them via the GUI
[30-Nov-2009 13:51:01] <rmatte> no, remove it from the UI
[30-Nov-2009 13:51:06] <rmatte> install it via commandline
[30-Nov-2009 13:51:23] <jbwjbw> ok, that's what I usually do, I'll give it another try
[30-Nov-2009 13:51:27] <rmatte> k
[30-Nov-2009 13:51:39] <rmatte> add -v10 when you install it
[30-Nov-2009 13:52:03] <rmatte> so that you get more info while it's installing, maybe it's throwing some error that you weren't seeing
[30-Nov-2009 13:52:36] <rmatte> zenmib run -v10 <mib file>
[30-Nov-2009 13:55:52] <jbwjbw> I get disconnected from this IRC when I post a number of lines, not sure the last one that was posted before it disconnected me
[30-Nov-2009 13:56:36] <jbwjbw> I'm not sure if those parse messages could be causing any problems. It seems to load the MIB and it shows up in the UI
[30-Nov-2009 14:18:46] <jbwjbw> rmatte: what version of smidump are you running on your non 2.5.x zenoss box?
[30-Nov-2009 14:18:47] <jbwjbw> smidump --version
[30-Nov-2009 14:18:53] <jbwjbw> Mine is 0.4.8
[30-Nov-2009 14:19:03] <jbwjbw> Just wondering if that was updated with 2.5.x
[30-Nov-2009 14:22:09] <kobalt> so before I pull the rest of my hair out why would I have snmp ping down events for devices I can click on the name and then click run command>ping and it pings just fine?
[30-Nov-2009 14:22:43] <bsteele> Hello - Are you guys aware of any problems with Zenoss 2.5.1 and VSphere 4.0/VMWare Infrastructures? We are getting a lot of heartbeat errors.
[30-Nov-2009 14:23:04] <bsteele> And are unable to add another
[30-Nov-2009 14:27:20] <wildcard0> aside from zenoss, vmware is really time sensitive. do you have ntp running on those boxes?
[30-Nov-2009 14:27:24] <wildcard0> the guests
[30-Nov-2009 14:30:48] <devnet> bsteele: on most of our vmware boxes we have an atomic clock updater so that it clock creep doesn't occur
[30-Nov-2009 14:31:20] <devnet> bsteele: otherwise, applications that run on there that are timestamped (an application database for example) will be desynched
[30-Nov-2009 14:34:00] <kobalt> ok so im trying to setup this distributed collector, question does the distributed collecter need to have the same access as the main server, even if it is not going to be doing collecting from the devices that it does not have access to?
[30-Nov-2009 14:36:35] <rmatte> jbwjbw: if you need to post stuff use pastebin.com
[30-Nov-2009 14:36:42] <rmatte> jbwjbw: don't paste it in to the channel
[30-Nov-2009 14:36:53] * devnet prefers http://slexy.org
[30-Nov-2009 14:37:03] <devnet> excellent pastebin :D
[30-Nov-2009 14:37:08] <devnet> my buddy wrote it :D
[30-Nov-2009 14:37:38] <rmatte> smidump 0.4.8
[30-Nov-2009 14:38:12] <rmatte> kobalt: check zenping.log
[30-Nov-2009 14:38:27] <rmatte> kobalt: zenoss does not ping devices using the "ping" commandline command
[30-Nov-2009 14:39:47] <rmatte> kobalt: not sure I understand your question about the collector, it needs to have the same access as any other collector
[30-Nov-2009 14:39:52] <rmatte> kobalt: then you assign devices to it
[30-Nov-2009 14:39:55] <kobalt> zenping.log only shows a handfull of devices down, which are down
[30-Nov-2009 14:40:17] <rmatte> kobalt: do zenping run -v10 and look for errors (I'm betting you'll see some)
[30-Nov-2009 14:40:19] <kobalt> so if I bring up my 2nd server following docs/DOC-2496
[30-Nov-2009 14:40:26] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - How to install distributed collectors (at community.zenoss.org)
[30-Nov-2009 14:40:52] <kobalt> so when I brought up the 2nd server after doing the configs listed in that doc
[30-Nov-2009 14:41:23] <rmatte> brb
[30-Nov-2009 14:41:25] <kobalt> I started getting cant ping nodes... I shut that server down (zenoss stop on it) and it stops
[30-Nov-2009 14:42:54] <rmatte> does it give a reason why it can't ping them?
[30-Nov-2009 14:43:33] <kobalt> the 2nd server cant reach the network, but it has no devices assigned to it (as a collector) so it shouldnt try to ping
[30-Nov-2009 14:43:57] <rmatte> true
[30-Nov-2009 14:44:14] <rmatte> how did you create the collector though?
[30-Nov-2009 14:44:17] <rmatte> did you do it from scratch?
[30-Nov-2009 14:44:21] <rmatte> or is it just a clone?
[30-Nov-2009 14:44:46] <kobalt> I followed the directions in the document I posted
[30-Nov-2009 14:45:10] <kobalt> so aka install core on 2nd machine edit the files etc
[30-Nov-2009 14:45:11] <rmatte> yeh I know, I'm asking you how you installed Zenoss
[30-Nov-2009 14:45:17] <rmatte> ok
[30-Nov-2009 14:45:18] <kobalt> oh RPM
[30-Nov-2009 14:45:21] <rmatte> so it was a fresh install
[30-Nov-2009 14:45:23] <kobalt> fresh install
[30-Nov-2009 14:45:46] <rmatte> honestly I'm not sure, I never got far with distributed collectors...
[30-Nov-2009 14:46:02] <rmatte> you'll have to fool around with it, it's not officially supported in Core
[30-Nov-2009 14:46:42] <kobalt> I am assuming it has to have the same access from what I just got
[30-Nov-2009 14:46:55] <kobalt> which is a little of a pain
[30-Nov-2009 14:47:04] <rmatte> I guess it does
[30-Nov-2009 14:47:09] <rmatte> no idea why
[30-Nov-2009 14:48:01] <kobalt> unless its step 2.4
[30-Nov-2009 14:48:49] <rmatte> step 2.4 is just to tell it to use the remote host as the hub instead of zenhub, but run the rest of the daemons locally
[30-Nov-2009 14:53:58] <jb> is there a script that cleans up the events databasE?
[30-Nov-2009 14:55:25] <rmatte> jb: I would imagine that it doesn't clean itself up
[30-Nov-2009 14:55:41] <jb> yeah.. i have a 20GB ibdata1 now
[30-Nov-2009 14:56:05] <rmatte> do you not have your events db set to auto-clear after 365 days?
[30-Nov-2009 14:56:19] <rmatte> well, auto-delete events older than 365 days rather
[30-Nov-2009 14:56:34] <jb> i thought that was default..
[30-Nov-2009 14:56:37] <jb> i'll check..
[30-Nov-2009 14:56:38] <rmatte> it is
[30-Nov-2009 14:56:39] <jb> digging around the DB now
[30-Nov-2009 14:57:06] <rmatte> if your ibdata1 is that big and you have that set then you just have an assload of events in there younger than 365 days
[30-Nov-2009 14:57:15] <rmatte> which means you need to tune
[30-Nov-2009 15:16:52] <jbwjbw> rmatte: I may have a snapshot before the 2.5 upgrade. I thought it failed but it looks like it may have worked....
[30-Nov-2009 15:17:22] <rmatte> cool
[30-Nov-2009 15:17:47] <bsteele> btw, devnet and wildcard0 -- I will look into the time issues. I'm sorry for the delay, I got called to look at something. Thanks for your replies
[30-Nov-2009 15:20:37] <rmatte> does anyone know of anything better than xming for forwarding X window sessions to windows?
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:07] <rmatte> (something braindead simple to use preferably, not going to have rocket scientists using it)
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:22] <jb> exceed..
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:24] <jb> but its not free
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:30] * jb uses xming.. it crashes every now and then
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:31] <wildcard0> cygwin and X?
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:45] <rmatte> yeh, hummingbird, we used to use that but we don't have licences anymore
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:58] <rmatte> cygwin is not simple to us
[30-Nov-2009 15:21:59] <rmatte> use*
[30-Nov-2009 15:22:04] <jb> yeah screw that :)
[30-Nov-2009 15:22:11] <wildcard0> heh
[30-Nov-2009 15:22:19] <wildcard0> i kinda like it for when i have to use windows
[30-Nov-2009 15:22:38] <rmatte> basically the issue is this...
[30-Nov-2009 15:22:44] <rmatte> on a linux box I can do: ssh -c arcfour,blowfish-cbc -YC
[30-Nov-2009 15:22:49] <rmatte> to connect and forward X
[30-Nov-2009 15:22:56] <rmatte> and it's SCREAMING fast with those options
[30-Nov-2009 15:23:09] <rmatte> but I want to achieve similar results on Windows
[30-Nov-2009 15:23:59] <wildcard0> something vnc like? like freenx?
[30-Nov-2009 15:24:12] <wildcard0> i know it's not the same, but it's similar kinda
[30-Nov-2009 15:24:21] <bsteele> We upgraded to 2.5.1. We have updated the core zen packs but are looking into how to update the Enterprise packs. Our guy who did Zenoss recently left so we are trying to pick up the pieces and continue on so please excuse some of my questions if they are awful newbie-like =
[30-Nov-2009 15:24:49] <mrayzenoss> bsteele: Support should be able to help you out
[30-Nov-2009 15:25:07] <bsteele> We have his login information and have done a password recovery on his account, honestly I am just trying to find where to download =)
[30-Nov-2009 15:26:28] <bsteele> I will rummage through support, though. Surely it's not rocket science. Thanks
[30-Nov-2009 15:27:05] <rmatte> wildcard0: nah, that won't work, we're basically forwarding an rdp client directly from the Zenoss servers to the desktops
[30-Nov-2009 15:27:15] <rmatte> wildcard0: so it has to be X11 forwarding
[30-Nov-2009 15:27:19] <wildcard0> ah suck
[30-Nov-2009 15:27:29] <rmatte> wildcard0: we don't want to be doing a full desktop session or anything
[30-Nov-2009 15:27:49] * wildcard0 nods
[30-Nov-2009 15:28:45] <rmatte> If it were my decision all our front line guys would have Linux desktops and that would be the end of it
[30-Nov-2009 15:29:23] <rmatte> Unfortunately their manager wants them all to have Windows
[30-Nov-2009 15:32:19] <kobalt> I would move all our guys to linux if it was not for java issues aka the versions we run for some applications wont work in linux
[30-Nov-2009 15:33:07] <rmatte> kobalt: ah, that wouldn't be an issue for us, the only thing that wouldn't work in Linux is Microsoft CRM, but we could do workarounds for that
[30-Nov-2009 15:34:02] <kobalt> yeah we have 2 applications that require java 1.3 and wont work with anything higher, I could try to wine it but they are slow enough as is
[30-Nov-2009 15:34:17] <rmatte> yeah
[30-Nov-2009 15:34:45] <rmatte> I'd probably just include a windows VM prebuilt on the Linux image
[30-Nov-2009 15:34:56] <jbwjbw> rmatte: 2.4.5 works no problem. Loaded the MIB and it works fine. I guess I'm staying with 2.4.5 for now and I'll have to do more testing with 2.5.x down the road to see if whatever bug I ran into is fixed... Now I just have to boot up the 2.5.1 VM and pull off what I've done on it since I upgraded to 2.5.x so I can do the same thing now to my 2.4.5 over the last few weeks
[30-Nov-2009 15:34:58] <rmatte> that way they have Linux but they also have Windows if they need it
[30-Nov-2009 15:35:30] <rmatte> jbwjbw: please do do more testing, if it is actually a bug it would be nice to catch it early on
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:07] <devnet> devnet
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:14] <rmatte> rmatte
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:18] <devnet> wow, that was funny
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:27] <jbwjbw> Ya, as there were really no errors I just don't know how to catch it really.
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:29] <rmatte> :P
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:30] <devnet> control-f didn't find
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:33] <devnet> :/
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:44] <jbwjbw> It just did not work for new MIBs loaded
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:44] <rmatte> jbwjbw: not so much catch as duplicate with a fresh install
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:51] <jbwjbw> Right
[30-Nov-2009 15:36:59] <rmatte> jbwjbw: If you're able to duplicate the issues with a fresh install then it's obviously a bug
[30-Nov-2009 15:37:04] <jbwjbw> If/when I get to that point I will.
[30-Nov-2009 15:37:46] <rmatte> devnet: I'm used to pressing ctrl-w in nano, problem is that that's a hotkey to close firefox, and I end up pressing that instead of ctrl-f sometimes.
[30-Nov-2009 15:37:57] <jbwjbw> It could still be a bug but a bug caused by the way something is configured or installed before 2.5.x I'm guessing and now maybe a combination of things is just causing it not to work
[30-Nov-2009 15:38:28] <devnet> well control-w doesn't work here
[30-Nov-2009 15:38:34] <devnet> makes me leave the channel
[30-Nov-2009 15:38:34] <rmatte> jbwjbw: true
[30-Nov-2009 15:38:44] <devnet> in vi, find is just /
[30-Nov-2009 15:38:55] <rmatte> devnet: yeh same as in more or less
[30-Nov-2009 15:39:03] <rmatte> devnet: or man
[30-Nov-2009 15:39:12] <devnet> smuxi is the client I'm using
[30-Nov-2009 15:39:14] * devnet shrugs
[30-Nov-2009 15:39:32] <rmatte> devnet: I use bitchx
[30-Nov-2009 15:39:53] <devnet> I remember bitchx lol been a while since i ran that
[30-Nov-2009 15:40:08] <rmatte> osiri s-1c/ bitch x-1.1-final
[30-Nov-2009 15:40:13] <rmatte> with osiris script
[30-Nov-2009 15:40:38] <rmatte> hmmmm, smuxi looks quite decent
[30-Nov-2009 15:41:37] <rmatte> I prefer cli irc clients though
[30-Nov-2009 15:41:48] <rmatte> since I can keep them in a screen session and pull them up wherever I need them
[30-Nov-2009 15:46:14] <devnet> rmatte: suxi can operate off a core and detach re-attach
[30-Nov-2009 15:46:25] <devnet> smuxi
[30-Nov-2009 15:46:28] <devnet> lol
[30-Nov-2009 15:46:29] <rmatte> ah, cool
[30-Nov-2009 15:46:32] * devnet hands himself an m
[30-Nov-2009 15:46:45] <rmatte> too much effort though, I already have an ssh client wherever I go
[30-Nov-2009 16:06:05] <rbd> hey guys...trying to send an event to zenoss via the xenhub XML-RPC interface...I can get the event to the server but I get a 401 unauthorized error...I have the user in the system, but I'm not sure what permissions I need to give him so that he can submit these events
[30-Nov-2009 16:10:44] <rmatte> rbd: it needs Manager access
[30-Nov-2009 16:11:30] cgibbons_ is now known as cgibbons
[30-Nov-2009 16:18:49] <chemist> evening
[30-Nov-2009 16:19:11] <rmatte> g'evining
[30-Nov-2009 16:19:40] <chemist> where do I tell zenoss to clear an event when it is no longer an issue?
[30-Nov-2009 16:19:45] <chemist> I'll explain
[30-Nov-2009 16:20:16] <chemist> sometimes zeneventlog fails to read the WMI log on some devices
[30-Nov-2009 16:20:34] <chemist> it only fails one or twice and then carries on reading
[30-Nov-2009 16:20:54] <wildcard0> chemist: you can select the error and tell it to 'move to history'
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:03] <chemist> but the event stays there until I clear it
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:06] <wildcard0> that will clear it from the current console but allow it to be archived
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:11] <rmatte> wildcard0: he's talking about automation
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:17] <wildcard0> ah ok
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:18] <chemist> thanks rmatte
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:19] <wildcard0> nevermind then
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:20] <chemist> :)
[30-Nov-2009 16:21:45] <rmatte> chemist: that's odd since I could have swore that Zenoss had built in clearing for those events
[30-Nov-2009 16:23:22] <rbd> rmatte, thanks.
[30-Nov-2009 16:23:36] <rmatte> rbd: np
[30-Nov-2009 16:24:05] <rbd> I've done that and I can successfully create the event...however it is showing up at the Info (2) severity, even though I specify 'severity': 4 (just like with docs/DOC-3791) ....any ideas?
[30-Nov-2009 16:24:11] <rmatte> chemist: the problem is that without another clear event coming in, there's no real way to automate moving it to history
[30-Nov-2009 16:24:13] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - 5.2 2 Sending an Event (at community.zenoss.org)
[30-Nov-2009 16:24:52] <rmatte> rbd: pastebin the code
[30-Nov-2009 16:25:20] <chemist> I guess I will have to downgrade the event to warning or info then
[30-Nov-2009 16:26:06] <rbd> rmatte, http://pastebin.com/d1375347a
[30-Nov-2009 16:26:16] <adytum-bot> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[30-Nov-2009 16:27:26] <rmatte> rbd: you have spaces between the : and the values for message and severity
[30-Nov-2009 16:27:33] <rmatte> but there are no spaces in the example
[30-Nov-2009 16:28:03] <rmatte> rbd: stick to the syntax for starters
[30-Nov-2009 16:30:36] <rmatte> rbd: you're defining a list, so I'd imagine those spaces are throwing it off
[30-Nov-2009 16:31:35] <rmatte> well, technically defining a dictionary
[30-Nov-2009 16:35:49] <rmatte> but yeh, remove the spaces and I'll be it'll work
[30-Nov-2009 16:36:11] <cgibbons> mmm acquisition, such gamey meat
[30-Nov-2009 16:36:55] <rbd> rmatte, that shouldn't matter in python...but I changed it anyway. I think the problem is that the 'castdaemon' component isn't recognized...I switched the component to 'eth0' and it worked....looking at how to add a custom component....
[30-Nov-2009 16:39:29] <rbd> hmm...is it possible to add a custom component through the web interface?
[30-Nov-2009 16:43:41] <rbd> actually, changing the eventClass to /Unknown fixed it
[30-Nov-2009 16:44:55] <rmatte> rbd: there is no such thing as a "custom component", the component field is essentially a free text field
[30-Nov-2009 16:45:09] <rmatte> rbd: Zenoss uses it for some stuff depending on the type of event, but you can set it to anything
[30-Nov-2009 16:49:35] <rmatte> Does the event class that you were trying to use previously even exist?
[30-Nov-2009 16:49:44] <rmatte> and if so, were you using the correct case?
[30-Nov-2009 16:51:14] <rbd> rmatte, I thought so, but I will double check.... so now I have the event acutally showing up in the event console properly... however, it doesn't show up in the dashboard under Device Issues, nor does my custom alert fire (I have a custom alert that will send an email when it gets an event of Error priority)
[30-Nov-2009 16:52:11] <rbd> acutally that may be because I don't have the Location field filled out
[30-Nov-2009 16:52:13] <rbd> one sec...
[30-Nov-2009 16:52:48] <kobalt> is there a way via the zenping.conf to tell zenping to ignore certian devices?
[30-Nov-2009 16:53:19] <rmatte> rbd: the event needs to meet every requirement of your alert
[30-Nov-2009 16:53:41] <rmatte> kobalt: no
[30-Nov-2009 16:54:16] <rmatte> kobalt: it shouldn't even be trying to ping those devices though technically, no idea why it is
[30-Nov-2009 16:54:19] <rmatte> you'd have to ask a dev
[30-Nov-2009 16:54:32] * kobalt looks at mrayzenoss
[30-Nov-2009 16:54:39] <rmatte> mrayzenoss is not a dev
[30-Nov-2009 16:54:48] <kobalt> but he knows them! lol
[30-Nov-2009 16:54:54] <rmatte> lol
[30-Nov-2009 16:54:55] <kobalt> dont see any others here
[30-Nov-2009 16:55:05] <rmatte> anyone with an @ next to their name
[30-Nov-2009 16:55:21] <rmatte> (except for Matt)
[30-Nov-2009 16:56:13] <kobalt> so I set the server to be the main in step 2.5 ( docs/DOC-2496 ) and I think that is where its getting the list to ping
[30-Nov-2009 16:56:20] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - How to install distributed collectors (at community.zenoss.org)
[30-Nov-2009 16:56:44] <rmatte> kobalt: it shouldn't ping anything unless it's specifically assigned to that collector\
[30-Nov-2009 16:56:57] <rmatte> kobalt: try assigning a device to that collector
[30-Nov-2009 16:57:06] <kobalt> rmatte: I did
[30-Nov-2009 16:57:08] <kobalt> same thing
[30-Nov-2009 16:57:31] <rmatte> kobalt: there has to be something that you're missing, search for other guides, I'm pretty sure there are some others kicking around
[30-Nov-2009 16:58:14] <kobalt> wish I could find http://forums.zenoss.com/viewtopic.php?t=7907
[30-Nov-2009 16:58:37] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Question about Zenoss collectors /... (at forums.zenoss.com)
[30-Nov-2009 16:58:56] <mrayzenoss> we fixed that, it redirects now
[30-Nov-2009 16:59:07] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: that link doesn't, actually
[30-Nov-2009 16:59:10] <mrayzenoss> thread/7501
[30-Nov-2009 16:59:16] <rmatte> but I typed the name in to the search and got: docs/DOC-2497
[30-Nov-2009 16:59:17] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Question about Zenoss collectors /... (at community.zenoss.org)
[30-Nov-2009 16:59:24] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Setting up multiple zenperfsnmp collectors across different hosts (at community.zenoss.org)
[30-Nov-2009 16:59:56] <mrayzenoss> here are the 2 linked ones I know of: http://delicious.com/mray/collectors
[30-Nov-2009 17:00:06] <adytum-bot> Title: mray's collectors Bookmarks on Delicious (at delicious.com)
[30-Nov-2009 17:00:06] <mrayzenoss> feel free to update them accordingly
[30-Nov-2009 17:01:28] <rbd> rmatte, thanks for you help, it's working properly now once I added those fields
[30-Nov-2009 17:02:59] <rmatte> rbd: no problem
[30-Nov-2009 17:04:17] <rmatte> eugh, I've got a huge stomach ache, finally time to go home, talk to you guys later
[30-Nov-2009 17:11:25] <mrayzenoss> blogs/zenossblog/2009/11/30/changes-to-the-zenoss-ticket-system
[30-Nov-2009 17:11:42] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Zenoss Blog: No Node Left Behind: Changes to the Zenoss Ticket System (at community.zenoss.org)
[30-Nov-2009 17:23:56] <kobalt> rmatte: looks like I found it had a typo in the zenping.conf
[30-Nov-2009 17:39:17] <mrayzenoss> New Dell SNMP Event Transforms ZenPack: docs/DOC-4537/
[30-Nov-2009 17:39:24] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Source Network Monitoring and Systems Management - Dell SNMP Event Transforms (at community.zenoss.org)
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