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[01-Jun-2011 08:36:04] <sergeymasushko> how can I force device to model some process?

[01-Jun-2011 08:36:15] <sergeymasushko> monitor*

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[01-Jun-2011 09:29:04] <fragfutter> sergeymasushko: AFAIK you can't. You need to model it and let it pick it up.

[01-Jun-2011 09:29:22] <fragfutter> sergeymasushko: if you want to make sure that it won' vanish during the next model run, lock it after the discovery

[01-Jun-2011 09:31:39] <sergeymasushko> fragfutter: the problem is that it did not add the process to monitoring. I ran the "zenmodeler -v 10 -d device.name" and I ca see there name of that process...

[01-Jun-2011 09:32:31] <rocket> sergeymasushko: are you sure the regex is correct, such that it matches the process name you are trying to pick up?

[01-Jun-2011 09:34:08] <Hackman238> rocket: How goes it?

[01-Jun-2011 09:34:18] <rocket> it goes ..

[01-Jun-2011 09:34:20] <rocket> and you?

[01-Jun-2011 09:36:15] <Hackman238> rocket: Not bad at all :-)

[01-Jun-2011 09:38:47] <rocket> good deal ..

[01-Jun-2011 09:59:16] <sergeymasushko> rocket: I believe that the regex is ok

[01-Jun-2011 10:02:03] <sergeymasushko> the regex is ^.*portaproxy.*

[01-Jun-2011 10:13:30] <Sam-I-Am> moo?

[01-Jun-2011 10:13:42] <Simon4> cluck cluck

[01-Jun-2011 10:13:46] <Sam-I-Am> meow

[01-Jun-2011 10:13:58] <dhopp> damn it

[01-Jun-2011 10:14:48] <Hackman238> LOL

[01-Jun-2011 10:15:19] <dhopp> zenbatchload might not work for me..hrmph

[01-Jun-2011 10:15:32] <Hackman238> dhopp: Whats up?

[01-Jun-2011 10:15:53] <dhopp> it will create the device class tree if it doesn't exist..however, it sets the default settings on each device that gets added, not the device tree you put the device in

[01-Jun-2011 10:16:05] <dhopp> sort of defeats the purpose of setting up a bunch of new classes

[01-Jun-2011 10:18:44] <Hackman238> dhopp: So I dont misunderstand, this is using zenbatchloader not using zenbatchloader in chef?

[01-Jun-2011 10:18:54] <dhopp> correct

[01-Jun-2011 10:19:45] <dhopp> I put the following in a txt file: /Devices/Clients/Test zSnmpCommunity='Triclops', zSnmpVer="v2c"

[01-Jun-2011 10:19:46] <dhopp> device0 comments="Test"

[01-Jun-2011 10:19:46] <dhopp> /Devices/Clients/Test2 zSnmpCommunity='Triclops', zSnmpVer="v2c"

[01-Jun-2011 10:19:46] <dhopp> device1 comments="Another Test"

[01-Jun-2011 10:20:20] <dhopp> It created the Test and Test2 device classes…however community and version got set on the device0 and device1..NOT the device classes

[01-Jun-2011 10:22:03] <rocket> have you tried this syntax?

[01-Jun-2011 10:22:32] <rocket> /Devices/Clients zSnmpCommunity='Triclops', zSnmpVer="v2c"

[01-Jun-2011 10:22:36] <rocket> Test2

[01-Jun-2011 10:22:47] <rocket> err wait

[01-Jun-2011 10:22:50] <rocket> nevermind

[01-Jun-2011 10:23:08] <dhopp> I looked at chef more too…it looks promising..however 1) I don't see a lot of support for Microsoft SQL Server (which is a must for me) but maybe I missed it.  2) I don't have the cycles to learn that and implement zenoss

[01-Jun-2011 10:26:54] <rocket> dhopp: looking at the code I see it does like you describe

[01-Jun-2011 10:27:04] <rocket> dhopp: I will put in an enhancement ticket for that ..

[01-Jun-2011 10:27:12] <dhopp> rocket: cool

[01-Jun-2011 10:27:24] <Sam-I-Am> woot

[01-Jun-2011 10:27:29] <Sam-I-Am> now thats service

[01-Jun-2011 10:27:56] <fragfutter> rocket: you achievet commercial-channel-support-god

[01-Jun-2011 10:28:40] <dhopp> I can understand why it works that way…if you are adding say 4 devices to an existing class but want those devices to have a different community but everything else the same you don't want to change the class and affect all the other devices..

[01-Jun-2011 10:28:54] <dhopp> however, there should be an option to say "set this at the class level"

[01-Jun-2011 10:33:18] <rocket> dhopp: it looks like those features are coming soon already

[01-Jun-2011 10:33:37] <rocket> dhopp: they are already in our internal svn and just need to get into the external one...

[01-Jun-2011 10:33:51] <dhopp> rocket: ahh

[01-Jun-2011 10:33:54] <rocket> looks like a svn permisions problem holding up that particular merge at the moment

[01-Jun-2011 10:34:36] <rocket> well i believe the new behavior will be

[01-Jun-2011 10:35:00] <rocket> if zprop=foo is set the organizer will be changed to match that

[01-Jun-2011 10:35:09] <rocket>  /organizer zprop=foo

[01-Jun-2011 10:35:14] <rocket> if zprop=foo is set the organizer will be changed to match that

[01-Jun-2011 10:35:20] <rocket> or

[01-Jun-2011 10:35:23] <rocket>  /organizer

[01-Jun-2011 10:35:31] <rocket>  device zprop=foo

[01-Jun-2011 10:35:41] <dhopp> that works too

[01-Jun-2011 10:35:51] <rocket> in that case the device goes into the organizer but the zprop will only be set on the device

[01-Jun-2011 10:35:54] <dhopp> which is actually how I *thought* it worked

[01-Jun-2011 10:36:15] <rocket> well it was currently coded to be more like

[01-Jun-2011 10:36:26] <rocket>  /organizer zprop=foo

[01-Jun-2011 10:36:31] <rocket>  device comment=bar

[01-Jun-2011 10:38:05] <rocket>  -> device zprop=foo comment=bar

[01-Jun-2011 10:38:20] <rocket> it was just shorthand for having to type out the -> line

[01-Jun-2011 10:38:31] <rocket> which is a little counter intuitive

[01-Jun-2011 10:39:15] <rocket> also it looks like setting locations and groups etc is added as well

[01-Jun-2011 10:39:48] <dhopp> yeah…I thought it worked the other way (i.e. zprops got set to whatever was on the same line)…but then realized it was a "default" for all devices below the organizer level

[01-Jun-2011 10:39:56] <dhopp> rocket: is that going to make into 3.1.1?

[01-Jun-2011 10:40:08] <Sam-I-Am> mmm, this coffee needs more soooogar

[01-Jun-2011 10:40:08] <dhopp> or am I going to have to grab it and do zenpatch?

[01-Jun-2011 10:40:20] <dhopp> Sam-I-Am:  it's called Mt. Dew :-P

[01-Jun-2011 10:40:23] <rocket> I believe so .. assuming the svn perms issue is resolved first and it doesnt get missed

[01-Jun-2011 10:40:57] <rocket> dhopp: this would be my new plan for you

[01-Jun-2011 10:41:02] <Sam-I-Am> dhopp: then i'd become diabetic

[01-Jun-2011 10:41:06] <rocket> dhopp: use zendmd to create the organizers

[01-Jun-2011 10:41:09] <fragfutter> dhopp: did you ever drink warm mt dew?

[01-Jun-2011 10:41:23] <rocket> then use zenbatchload to load the devices

[01-Jun-2011 10:41:30] <dhopp> rocket: already working on the code to do that

[01-Jun-2011 10:42:40] <dhopp> fragfutter: I don't drink it warm..but I can buy a case from the store and crack a can open..it doesn't need to be cold

[01-Jun-2011 10:43:29] <fragfutter> dhopp: just pointing out (one of the many) difference between coffee and mt dew

[01-Jun-2011 10:45:18] <fragfutter> i have an snmp value that is rather jumpy (high spikes) and would like to somehow smooth it. At the moment i have a threshold with info level that needs an escalation, is there anything else?

[01-Jun-2011 10:46:40] <rocket> dhopp: something like this to create them

[01-Jun-2011 10:46:45] <rocket> Path='/Foo'

[01-Jun-2011 10:46:45] <rocket> id='Bar'

[01-Jun-2011 10:46:46] <rocket> organizer=dmd.Devices.getOrganizer(Path)

[01-Jun-2011 10:46:46] <rocket> newEndpointOrganizerPath='/%s/%s' % (Path,id)

[01-Jun-2011 10:46:46] <rocket> organizer.manage_addOrganizer(id)

[01-Jun-2011 10:46:48] <rocket> newOrganizer=organizer.getOrganizer(newEndpointOrganizerPath)

[01-Jun-2011 10:46:50] <rocket> newOrganizer.setZenProperty('zProp', 'value')

[01-Jun-2011 10:47:15] <rocket> commit()

[01-Jun-2011 10:47:16] <rocket>

[01-Jun-2011 10:50:50] <dhopp> fragfutter:  It's 80+ outside..who wants a warm drink?

[01-Jun-2011 10:51:16] <dhopp> rocket: copy/paste :-P

[01-Jun-2011 10:51:18] * fragfutter checks his tea. Yep still warm.

[01-Jun-2011 10:51:53] <dhopp> fragfutter: you apparently don't drink mt. dew fast enough…if it lasts 10 minutes on my desk I must be REALLY busy

[01-Jun-2011 10:51:56] <Hackman238> Drinking hot coffee here

[01-Jun-2011 10:53:30] <dhopp> Hackman238: I think we determine yesterday that I'm the odd ball…don't like coffee..don't like steak

[01-Jun-2011 10:53:49] <jmp242> Yum, diet coke lol

[01-Jun-2011 10:53:59] <dhopp> jmp242: lol…

[01-Jun-2011 10:54:06] <jmp242> and people who think they can speed things up by *not* submitting a ticket

[01-Jun-2011 10:54:08] <Hackman238> jmp242: yuk- diet?

[01-Jun-2011 10:54:20] <Hackman238> jmp242: I hate that.

[01-Jun-2011 10:54:22] <jmp242> and waiting weeks, then running in to talk to different people hoping someone is going to get them a PC

[01-Jun-2011 10:54:34] <jmp242> it just means they go at the end of the line whenever they do submit a ticket

[01-Jun-2011 10:54:38] <jmp242> even if the employee is already here

[01-Jun-2011 10:55:26] <dhopp> jmp242: I have a plaque that says "Lack of planning on your part does not constitute and emergency on my part"

[01-Jun-2011 10:55:28] <dhopp> hehe

[01-Jun-2011 10:55:41] <rocket> dhopp: I wish I could use that here in support ..

[01-Jun-2011 10:55:42] <dhopp> and = an

[01-Jun-2011 10:55:47] <rocket> alas that is not the case ..

[01-Jun-2011 10:56:35] <jmp242> Mmm, it's even better

[01-Jun-2011 10:56:52] <jmp242> they want to steal someone else's computer because they don't see it used a lot

[01-Jun-2011 10:56:57] <Hackman238> jmp242: I try to accomodate weighing the priority of the req, but I'll yell at people who make a regular ritual of skipping line.

[01-Jun-2011 10:56:58] <jmp242> or they want a used one lol

[01-Jun-2011 10:57:21] <dhopp> rocket: support is a little different sometimes…if shit breaks that's usually not planned :-P…however the "I need a PC RIGHT NOW" usually RIGHT NOW is really in a week if they plan properly

[01-Jun-2011 10:57:37] <jmp242> heh, we have the manpower for "right now" to often be a month

[01-Jun-2011 10:57:44] <jmp242> because of the backlog

[01-Jun-2011 10:58:15] <jmp242> And no one ever wants to return a computer they've stopped using, but now everyone wants a recycled compuer

[01-Jun-2011 10:58:27] <jmp242> I'm like, am I supposed to crap the recycled ones out of my ass???

[01-Jun-2011 10:58:56] <jmp242> We only get back like 6 year old PCs that may have 1GB Ram - barely run our XP image, forget about Win 7 x64

[01-Jun-2011 10:59:05] <Hackman238> jmp242: Agreed- there must be a activly spreading shit mud slide for me to drop important threads for walk up reqs.

[01-Jun-2011 10:59:27] <jmp242> Basically the PC has to have broken for someone to give it up right now

[01-Jun-2011 10:59:54] <Hackman238> jmp242: LOL!

[01-Jun-2011 10:59:56] <jmp242> so when I tell people the "used" pcs are going to be painfully slow and may not even survive the trip to the building where they want them, they're like OK!

[01-Jun-2011 11:00:19] <jmp242> then the poor summer student complains up and down that the PC doesn't work, or they need 3D CAD suddenly lol

[01-Jun-2011 11:01:53] <Hackman238> jmp242: Why is my autocad so slow- I have a geforce mx400!

[01-Jun-2011 11:02:01] <Hackman238> jmp242: :-)

[01-Jun-2011 11:02:54] <jmp242> heh, how about onboard video

[01-Jun-2011 11:02:54] <dhopp> Hackman238: why is my PC so slow.  I have a quad core with 6 GB of RAM

[01-Jun-2011 11:03:06] <jmp242> dhopp: I'm stumped

[01-Jun-2011 11:03:09] <dhopp> Hackman238:  stop using windows…and stop downloading every "cool" app your friend tells you about

[01-Jun-2011 11:03:13] <sergeymasushko> so is there a way how can I check when modeler checks matches of availables processes and defined regexes?

[01-Jun-2011 11:03:15] <jmp242> I get by with a dual core Xeon with 10GB

[01-Jun-2011 11:03:30] <fragfutter> sergeymasushko: run it from the commandline with -v 2

[01-Jun-2011 11:03:46] <Hackman238> dhopp: Turn off all GUI effects, gadgets and those damn icon docks!

[01-Jun-2011 11:03:49] <Hackman238> dhopp:

[01-Jun-2011 11:04:29] <dhopp> Hackman238: I was immitating a user that doesn't understand that having 300 background applications will slow down their "super" computer

[01-Jun-2011 11:04:46] <Hackman238> dhopp: and for sh!t sake uninstall Safari and those 200 firefox plugins! (trying to play allong with the gag)

[01-Jun-2011 11:04:55] <dhopp> Hackman238: lol

[01-Jun-2011 11:04:59] <fragfutter> let me check the number of background applications.... 28

[01-Jun-2011 11:05:51] <fragfutter> that is 10 suspended vis, four pdb sessions waiting to continue and multiple minimized xterms

[01-Jun-2011 11:06:12] <Hackman238> ...817 here..but I have 16 cores and 256GB of RAM

[01-Jun-2011 11:06:13] <dhopp> Hackman238: I love firebug in firefox…but good God when will they fix the freakin' memory leak in that browser…you lave it open (with a default FF install) for any length of time and it's a pig

[01-Jun-2011 11:06:22] <dhopp> lave = leave

[01-Jun-2011 11:06:45] <dhopp> Hackman238: and probably not Windows :-P

[01-Jun-2011 11:06:46] <Hackman238> dhopp: Aye, very handy. GeaseMonkey too.

[01-Jun-2011 11:07:02] <Hackman238> dhopp: Nein, Fedora 15 with bastard Gnome 3- I'm trying to adapt to it

[01-Jun-2011 11:08:17] <sergeymasushko> fragfutter: ok I can see there: 2011-06-01 11:04:18,945 DEBUG zen.ZenModeler: snmpidx: 9929     process: {'procName': 'portaproxy', 'parameters': '-d -c /var/sipenv-127.0.0.1/etc/proxyreg.conf', '_procPath': 'portaproxy'}

[01-Jun-2011 11:08:18] <fragfutter> Hackman238: it's like the good old days again. gnome, no kde, no fvwm2. and now we have gnome2, no gnome3, no xfce, no unity, no....

[01-Jun-2011 11:09:35] <Hackman238> fragfutter: yep. Gnome 2 does work in 15, but I figure I might try to adapt to the new gui before its too late.

[01-Jun-2011 11:10:02] <fragfutter> Hackman238: you can still have fvwm2

[01-Jun-2011 11:11:19] <dhopp> fragfutter:  screw that…edit /etc/inittab…id:3:initdefault..put those 16 cores and 256 GB of RAM to good use :-P

[01-Jun-2011 11:16:15] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL- I run many many many many VM's

[01-Jun-2011 11:17:20] <jmp242> dhopp: maybe try dragonfly in Opera?

[01-Jun-2011 11:17:38] <dhopp> jmp242: might check it out

[01-Jun-2011 11:18:32] <jmp242> I much prefer Opera for the sites it works on - still pissed on how many sites still manage to bungle standards complient code and instead have a version for IE, FF,Chrome,enter more if trees here

[01-Jun-2011 11:27:44] * Sam-I-Am likes opera

[01-Jun-2011 11:36:28] <f00f> Hackman238, wassupo ?

[01-Jun-2011 11:38:18] <Hackman238> f00f: Not much. You?

[01-Jun-2011 11:38:58] <Hackman238> f00f: Also, on your source server: if you su zenoss; zendmd; dmd.ZenEventManager.password it'llr eturn clear text of the other boxes password

[01-Jun-2011 11:40:19] <f00f> Hackman238, We still got alotta work to do man, i gotta set up this zenoss instance, upgrade, add internal network, and then logg to the other network segment in production, and add those using the remote distributed collectors.

[01-Jun-2011 11:40:43] <f00f> Hackman238, i managed to reset the mysql root running it in safe mde, and then got a dump of the events db

[01-Jun-2011 11:52:16] <Hackman238> f00f: nice

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[01-Jun-2011 12:13:37] <f00fSteR> Hackman238, ty ty

[01-Jun-2011 12:16:27] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: Np

[01-Jun-2011 12:18:43] <jmp242> Here's a poor soul who's going to waste a lot of time I think :message/58998#58998

[01-Jun-2011 12:19:36] <Sam-I-Am> lol

[01-Jun-2011 12:20:16] <jmp242> Of course, it's entirely possible I have no idea what he's actually trying to say

[01-Jun-2011 12:21:01] <Hackman238> jmp242: oh my LOL

[01-Jun-2011 12:22:07] <Sam-I-Am> jmp242: wonder if he moonlights at juniper tech support

[01-Jun-2011 12:22:34] <jmp242> you get that a lot?

[01-Jun-2011 12:22:41] <jmp242> it's pretty painful english anyway

[01-Jun-2011 12:23:39] <Sam-I-Am> they used to be good at written, but not spoken.  lately i've been barely able to understand written and just delete the voice mail

[01-Jun-2011 12:23:46] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: his english is too good for juniper support

[01-Jun-2011 12:23:52] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: lol

[01-Jun-2011 12:23:54] <Sam-I-Am> sad

[01-Jun-2011 12:23:54] * dhopp has not had any caffeine today

[01-Jun-2011 12:24:23] <Sam-I-Am> uh ohhh

[01-Jun-2011 12:24:38] <dhopp> I'm starting to get a headache

[01-Jun-2011 12:24:39] <dhopp> heh

[01-Jun-2011 12:24:46] <jmp242> Wow. that's pretty sad

[01-Jun-2011 12:25:10] <Sam-I-Am> caffiene is not an addiction

[01-Jun-2011 12:26:40] <f00fSteR> guys

[01-Jun-2011 12:26:45] <f00fSteR> zenoss supports which formats ?

[01-Jun-2011 12:27:10] <Sam-I-Am> uh

[01-Jun-2011 12:27:24] <jmp242> clarify f00fSteR

[01-Jun-2011 12:28:33] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: which format of what?

[01-Jun-2011 12:45:07] <f00fSteR> nagios zabbix hyperic ?

[01-Jun-2011 12:45:10] <f00fSteR> plug ins

[01-Jun-2011 12:45:11] <f00fSteR> sorry

[01-Jun-2011 12:48:04] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: nagios format fairly well

[01-Jun-2011 12:50:02] <f00fSteR> does it implement use of nrpe

[01-Jun-2011 12:52:58] <f00fSteR> what about hyperic and zabbix ... if they all use the openQRM standard ?

[01-Jun-2011 12:53:46] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: Not sure, but any test can be tailored to work with zenoss, within reason.

[01-Jun-2011 12:55:08] <f00fSteR> Hackman238, sounds good

[01-Jun-2011 12:55:16] <f00fSteR> im truncating the past 60 days

[01-Jun-2011 12:55:29] <f00fSteR> cross that

[01-Jun-2011 12:55:30] <f00fSteR> 30 days

[01-Jun-2011 12:55:37] <f00fSteR> ... i dont want to see more than 30 days

[01-Jun-2011 12:55:44] <f00fSteR> now what happens to my acknowledges ?

[01-Jun-2011 13:02:43] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: if you truncate everything older than 30 days acks older than 30 days are gone.

[01-Jun-2011 13:03:14] <f00fSteR> Hackman238, what does acknowledging an event do ?

[01-Jun-2011 13:03:39] <f00fSteR> Hackman238, how does one resolve an error?

[01-Jun-2011 13:04:04] <f00fSteR> Hackman238, How does one make sure the error doesnt show up again. Can i add filters ? Or how to i keep that error from showing up again?

[01-Jun-2011 13:04:07] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: acking marks the event read. alerting can be conditioned off that status.

[01-Jun-2011 13:04:13] <f00fSteR> If it's something completely harmless and i can ignore it

[01-Jun-2011 13:04:27] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: if an event has been resolved, you can clode the event

[01-Jun-2011 13:04:45] <f00fSteR> close*

[01-Jun-2011 13:04:46] <f00fSteR> cool

[01-Jun-2011 13:05:02] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: You'll want to use an event transform to commit it to history right away or banish it to digital oblivion.

[01-Jun-2011 13:05:22] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: ^^ if its a reoccuring harmless event you dont want to see

[01-Jun-2011 13:05:35] <f00fSteR> how does one banish it to digital oblivion

[01-Jun-2011 13:05:39] <f00fSteR> i can move rrros to history

[01-Jun-2011 13:05:57] <f00fSteR> so that measn that error wont show up again correct in the course of the next few days

[01-Jun-2011 13:06:07] <f00fSteR> sorry not next few days... moving forward...

[01-Jun-2011 13:10:23] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: You'll want to hit the forums and search for how to's using transforms and event classes.

[01-Jun-2011 13:10:30] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: Its too complex to explain

[01-Jun-2011 13:10:51] <f00fSteR> ohh no problem... just point to the query i should put into google and i shall do it all my friend

[01-Jun-2011 13:11:01] <f00fSteR> searching zenoss forums for how to's using transforms and event classes

[01-Jun-2011 13:11:49] <f00fSteR> http://www.zenoss.com/Members/jcurry/zenoss_event_management_paper.pdf/view

[01-Jun-2011 13:11:50] <f00fSteR> w00t!

[01-Jun-2011 13:11:53] <Sam-I-Am> yezzz

[01-Jun-2011 13:11:56] <Sam-I-Am> janes stuff is good

[01-Jun-2011 13:12:11] <f00fSteR> jane iz sexzy?

[01-Jun-2011 13:12:35] <Sam-I-Am> females in IT?

[01-Jun-2011 13:13:35] <f00fSteR> she has a phat ass jane

[01-Jun-2011 13:13:38] <f00fSteR> i can tell from her writing

[01-Jun-2011 13:14:05] <Hackman238>  *face palm*

[01-Jun-2011 13:14:47] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: I'd reccomend not commenting on other users- especially Jane, she contributes alot.

[01-Jun-2011 13:14:59] <Sam-I-Am> lol

[01-Jun-2011 13:14:59] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: No offense, just safer.

[01-Jun-2011 13:15:07] <Sam-I-Am> we're all a fine bunch in here

[01-Jun-2011 13:15:13] <f00fSteR> she's here ?

[01-Jun-2011 13:15:20] <f00fSteR> i was just appreciating her writing style

[01-Jun-2011 13:15:22] <f00fSteR> madd pro

[01-Jun-2011 13:15:30] <f00fSteR> all pro's are gorgeous

[01-Jun-2011 13:15:31] <Hackman238> LOL

[01-Jun-2011 13:15:41] <f00fSteR> gorgeousness in women = big asses and big titties

[01-Jun-2011 13:15:44] <f00fSteR> modus tollens

[01-Jun-2011 13:15:50] <f00fSteR> jane has a nice ass

[01-Jun-2011 13:16:06] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: Im not sure if the logger is running is all.

[01-Jun-2011 13:16:17] <f00fSteR> i saw him disconnect

[01-Jun-2011 13:16:18] <f00fSteR> :-/

[01-Jun-2011 13:16:24] <f00fSteR> her/it

[01-Jun-2011 13:16:33] <f00fSteR> next they're gonna say f00fster is sexist

[01-Jun-2011 13:16:34] <Sam-I-Am> it runs periodically

[01-Jun-2011 13:16:40] <Sam-I-Am> it needs a more reliable home

[01-Jun-2011 13:16:53] <Sam-I-Am> even my home connection seems to stay up more

[01-Jun-2011 13:17:14] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: I'm not saying anything like that- I just dont want to see the b& hammer swinging.

[01-Jun-2011 13:17:29] <f00fSteR> sigh

[01-Jun-2011 13:17:43] <Sam-I-Am> its in here now

[01-Jun-2011 13:17:45] <Sam-I-Am> as zenoss-logger

[01-Jun-2011 13:17:49] * f00fSteR is sorry. Goes and read's Janes writing all by himself in the corne.

[01-Jun-2011 13:18:00] <f00fSteR> r*

[01-Jun-2011 13:18:04] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: LOL

[01-Jun-2011 13:36:54] <axelilly> arg...still struggling to figure out how to make a ZenPack

[01-Jun-2011 13:38:46] <axelilly> I'm not understanding Jane's zenpack document.

[01-Jun-2011 13:39:00] <f00fSteR> link me

[01-Jun-2011 13:39:08] <f00fSteR> i want to understand it... or become just as confused as you

[01-Jun-2011 13:39:36] <axelilly> f00fSteR: yea, I'm 90% confused on how to make a ZenPack.

[01-Jun-2011 13:40:06] <axelilly> f00fSteR: the process is poorly documented.

[01-Jun-2011 13:40:12] <Sam-I-Am> a lot of it you can add via the UI

[01-Jun-2011 13:40:52] <axelilly> Sam-I-Am: a lot of what?

[01-Jun-2011 13:41:05] <Sam-I-Am> stuff into your zenpack

[01-Jun-2011 13:41:30] <Sam-I-Am> you create a new zenpack then use the 'add to zenpack' options

[01-Jun-2011 13:41:45] <axelilly> Sam-I-Am: no, not a modeler and the device objects, etc.

[01-Jun-2011 13:43:01] <axelilly> bah, thinking maybe zenoss isn't going to work out.

[01-Jun-2011 13:46:43] <f00fSteR> zabbix nagios hyperic

[01-Jun-2011 13:46:49] <f00fSteR> maybe you could write a short review

[01-Jun-2011 13:46:57] <f00fSteR> it'd be a good read

[01-Jun-2011 13:47:27] <axelilly> f00fSteR: I want to use Zenoss, but I need to be able to write ZenPacks to extend it's functionality

[01-Jun-2011 13:47:49] <f00fSteR> did you find the community help

[01-Jun-2011 13:48:00] <f00fSteR> theres alot of resource online with in the forums aswell

[01-Jun-2011 13:48:09] <axelilly> f00fSteR: yea, but it's all bits and pieces.

[01-Jun-2011 13:50:45] <Sam-I-Am> axelilly: whyso?

[01-Jun-2011 13:51:06] <Sam-I-Am> also, dissect other people's zenpacks

[01-Jun-2011 13:51:07] <axelilly> axelilly: ?

[01-Jun-2011 13:51:26] <axelilly> Sam-I-Am: yea, I've been doing that for a while and made no progress.

[01-Jun-2011 13:51:41] <axelilly> Sam-I-Am: really, the whole zenpack concept seems to be a mess.

[01-Jun-2011 13:51:46] <Sam-I-Am> so what are you trying to do thats different?

[01-Jun-2011 13:52:18] <axelilly> Sam-I-Am: It's simple.  There is a table OID that will return a list of all resources on a SAN.

[01-Jun-2011 13:52:43] <axelilly> Sam-I-Am: To start, it should just list each as a componenet of the device.

[01-Jun-2011 13:52:54] <axelilly> Sam-I-Am: but just getting that far is completely confusing.

[01-Jun-2011 13:54:04] <Sam-I-Am> hmm

[01-Jun-2011 13:54:16] <Sam-I-Am> i havent done much with getting components from walking snmp tables

[01-Jun-2011 13:54:30] <Sam-I-Am> but some zenpacks do.. i think the juniper one and interfaces

[01-Jun-2011 13:55:06] <axelilly> Sam-I-Am: yea, I haven't been able to figure ones out that I've looked at.

[01-Jun-2011 14:03:50] <Hackman238> axelilly: What types of devices do you need to monitor?

[01-Jun-2011 14:14:12] <Hackman238> n

[01-Jun-2011 14:14:39] <Sam-I-Am> m

[01-Jun-2011 14:18:35] <axelilly> Hackman238: I am trying to monitor the performance of my SAN.

[01-Jun-2011 14:19:09] <Hackman238> axelilly: Netapp, EMC, else?

[01-Jun-2011 14:20:04] <axelilly> Hackman238: IPStor

[01-Jun-2011 14:21:27] <Hackman238> axelilly: Hum. Never worked with that.

[01-Jun-2011 14:21:39] <Hackman238> axelilly: How big is your operation?

[01-Jun-2011 14:23:10] <axelilly> Hackman238: medium

[01-Jun-2011 14:25:34] <Hackman238> axelilly: I might suggest you contract with someone to get that pack built if you dont have the cylces to build the pack. I'd offer free help if I had experience with the device, but I dont in this case.

[01-Jun-2011 14:26:24] <Hackman238> axelilly: Specifically I would try to base your pack off the NetApp pack available on the community zenpacks page.

[01-Jun-2011 14:27:50] <axelilly> Hackman238: ah good, recommendation.  Do you know of contractable resources that could build the pack?

[01-Jun-2011 14:28:19] <Hackman238> axelilly: I do zenpack development contracts, ad Im sure others here do as well.

[01-Jun-2011 14:28:50] <Hackman238> axelilly: Unfortunately if its something you need ASAP, I'm booked for the next two weeks solid.

[01-Jun-2011 14:29:21] <axelilly> Hackman238: ok, thanks for the info.  Yea, it's not something that's needed ASAP...but you never know we may just throw some money at it.

[01-Jun-2011 14:29:35] <axelilly> Hackman238: can you PM your email addy to me for my records?

[01-Jun-2011 14:30:15] <Hackman238> axelilly: In that case send me some info on the device model and your needs. http://shanewilliamscott.com hackman238@gmail.com

[01-Jun-2011 14:39:02] <Hackman238> axelilly: Please excuse that my site is slow right now...the server that slice us on is painfully busy

[01-Jun-2011 14:39:33] <axelilly> Hackman238: lol, yea I noticed

[01-Jun-2011 14:40:03] <Hackman238> axelilly: One of my test migration processes has almost 200 child threads doing work

[01-Jun-2011 14:40:19] <axelilly> Hackman238: nice!

[01-Jun-2011 14:40:55] <Hackman238> axelilly: I will eventually move my site to RackSpace seeing as I work there. LOL

[01-Jun-2011 14:41:03] <dhopp> Hackman238: maybe you have the wrong machine as your workstation :-P

[01-Jun-2011 14:41:07] <axelilly> Hackman238: ok, racker

[01-Jun-2011 14:41:35] <Hackman238> dhopp: That server is my workstation also

[01-Jun-2011 14:41:51] <axelilly> Hackman238: ok, so factory_type_information coresponds to the componenet drop downs?

[01-Jun-2011 14:41:53] <dhopp> Hackman238: Stop using your server as your workstation...

[01-Jun-2011 14:42:00] <dhopp> Hackman238: problem solved

[01-Jun-2011 14:42:27] <Hackman238> dhopp: 57 VM's running this moment :-)

[01-Jun-2011 14:42:36] <Hackman238> dhopp: Agreed. LOL

[01-Jun-2011 14:46:41] <Hackman238> axelilly: Its for handling tabs in v2.x and entries in the left pane in zenoss v3.x+

[01-Jun-2011 14:54:31] <axelilly> The problem with Jane's ZenPack document is that she has 2.x and 3.x info in the same doc.

[01-Jun-2011 15:10:49] <uifjlh> ... let me try again, has anyone used the "mib utility" zenpac in v. 3.1 ?

[01-Jun-2011 15:16:05] <Hackman238> ...he didnt give anyone a chance to reply

[01-Jun-2011 15:17:59] <dhopp> what..3 minutes isn't enough time?

[01-Jun-2011 15:18:45] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL

[01-Jun-2011 15:19:09] <Hackman238> He's got realize most of us are very very busy.

[01-Jun-2011 15:19:34] <JohnnyNoc> sorry i blinked

[01-Jun-2011 15:19:44] <JohnnyNoc> and *poof* he was gone

[01-Jun-2011 15:26:14] <jmp242> mib utility doesn't work in 3.x I don't believe\

[01-Jun-2011 15:26:18] <jmp242> cry

[01-Jun-2011 15:26:45] <jmp242> it would be nice, but I don't know I can make the case to pay for that one being updated - we have too many other freeware mib utilities

[01-Jun-2011 15:33:32] <xuru> can you use your own mysql server instead of the one provided with the zenoss-stack?

[01-Jun-2011 15:33:37] <Sam-I-Am> sure

[01-Jun-2011 15:33:52] <xuru> how do I point it to the right one?

[01-Jun-2011 15:34:17] <dhopp> xuru: Events -> Event Manager

[01-Jun-2011 15:34:32] <dhopp> xuru: you will need to create the events db on the existing mysql server

[01-Jun-2011 15:35:00] <xuru> is there a .sql file to do that?

[01-Jun-2011 15:41:38] <dhopp> xuru: probably..but you could just dump the mysql that is in the stack: mysqldump -h localhost events -u zenoss -p -P 3307 > events.sql

[01-Jun-2011 15:42:14] <xuru> yeah, I was kind of thinking that, but couldn't remember how

[01-Jun-2011 15:42:21] <xuru> don't deal with databases much

[01-Jun-2011 15:42:26] <xuru> thansk

[01-Jun-2011 15:42:33] <dhopp> xuru: docs/DOC-3866

[01-Jun-2011 15:43:02] <xuru> oh, very cool, ty

[01-Jun-2011 15:43:21] <dhopp> that's probably better as it will get the procedures as well

[01-Jun-2011 15:43:58] <xuru> ok, cool

[01-Jun-2011 15:46:08] <Hackman238> jmp242: you're correct, it wont.

[01-Jun-2011 15:46:28] <Hackman238> xuru: How goes it?

[01-Jun-2011 15:46:44] <xuru> Hackman238: good, and yourself?

[01-Jun-2011 15:46:55] <Hackman238> xuru: very good. ty

[01-Jun-2011 15:51:33] <hmp> is there a plan to support pgsql as a db backend?

[01-Jun-2011 16:06:29] <dhopp> hmp: not that I have heard and I doubt there is much work on it (at least "officially" from zenoss)

[01-Jun-2011 16:07:15] <Simon4> last conversation I had with them the answer was "No."

[01-Jun-2011 16:08:41] <hmp> Simon4: love that answer

[01-Jun-2011 16:08:53] <hmp> that shouldn't bee too hard to port, since the schema is pretty simple

[01-Jun-2011 16:30:18] <lmickh> I am trying to run the zenoss-stack bin on SL6.  It hangs when trying to load the default data into the database.  Any suggestions?

[01-Jun-2011 16:30:32] <lmickh> I have already checked /etc/hosts to make sure localhost is correct

[01-Jun-2011 16:30:45] <lmickh> And there are no sql queries running at the moment.

[01-Jun-2011 16:35:38] <Sam-I-Am> any logs?

[01-Jun-2011 16:36:14] <lmickh> It didn't provide any that I know of.  Just hung there.  Where should I look for them

[01-Jun-2011 16:36:43] <Hackman238> look for zenbuild.log

[01-Jun-2011 16:36:57] <Sam-I-Am> yeah

[01-Jun-2011 16:38:24] <lmickh> There is no such file anywhere

[01-Jun-2011 16:39:10] <Hackman238> lmickh: Hum. Im not really familiiam with stack.

[01-Jun-2011 16:39:14] <Hackman238> *familliar

[01-Jun-2011 16:39:55] <lmickh> is the rpm install recommended then?  I just assumed the stack would be easier then sorting out dependencies

[01-Jun-2011 16:40:13] <hmp> yes, stack is just fine

[01-Jun-2011 16:40:29] <hmp> have used .deb type, but no reason why rpm wouldnt work

[01-Jun-2011 16:40:36] <Hackman238> lmickh: I reccomend that rpm's, but the stack works just as well. I just havent debugged setup problems with it personally.

[01-Jun-2011 16:40:43] <Sam-I-Am> i've done the rpm most of the time

[01-Jun-2011 16:40:50] <Sam-I-Am> just make sure you have the dependencies installed beforehand

[01-Jun-2011 16:41:09] <Hackman238> lmickh: if you yum localinstall zenoss.rpm --nogpg it'll fetch what it needs

[01-Jun-2011 16:41:27] <Hackman238> lmickh: I do not know how supported zenoss is in RHEL6, however.

[01-Jun-2011 16:41:30] <dhopp> There isn't an rpm for RHEL/CentOS/SL 6

[01-Jun-2011 16:41:31] <hmp> lmickh: it doesnt install or doesnt run? (never installed using rpm)

[01-Jun-2011 16:42:06] <dhopp> Hackman238: I have a test server running zenoss on RHEL6 fine…using the stack install…however I didn't have any problems so I'm not sure how to troubleshoot it

[01-Jun-2011 16:42:07] <lmickh> Haven't tried the rpm yet cause the latest I found was for RHEL/Centos 5.

[01-Jun-2011 16:42:08] <Hackman238> dhopp: yeah he'd have use the RHEL5 ones

[01-Jun-2011 16:42:19] <Hackman238> dhopp: Interesting.

[01-Jun-2011 16:42:21] <dhopp> Hackman238: do they work?

[01-Jun-2011 16:42:24] <dhopp> on 6?

[01-Jun-2011 16:42:32] <Hackman238> dhopp: Should be fine- yum magic

[01-Jun-2011 16:43:16] <dhopp> Hackman238: hrm…thing that scares me there is when they do release an RPM for EL6 what could break during upgrade

[01-Jun-2011 16:43:31] <Hackman238> lmickh: did you install by su root, chmod a+x zenossstack.bin, and ./zenossstack.bin?

[01-Jun-2011 16:43:41] <Hackman238> dhopp: Oh definately.

[01-Jun-2011 16:44:18] <lmickh> Hackman238: yes

[01-Jun-2011 16:44:42] <Hackman238> lmickh: so the gui of the installer poped up and you didnt notice and weirdness while answering questions?

[01-Jun-2011 16:44:49] <dhopp> isn't adding the default data to the database actually the zeodb and not mysql?

[01-Jun-2011 16:45:03] <Hackman238> dhopp: yep.

[01-Jun-2011 16:45:09] <lmickh> Hackman238: Nope ran fine until it loaded the default data.  Then it just hung there for over an hour

[01-Jun-2011 16:45:21] <dhopp> is zeo doing anything?

[01-Jun-2011 16:45:38] <Hackman238> lmickh: ah- but it didnt crash?

[01-Jun-2011 16:45:55] <Hackman238> lmickh: open a term and see if python, zeo and zope are busy

[01-Jun-2011 16:45:59] <lmickh> Hackman238: Nope, I eventually cancelled out

[01-Jun-2011 16:46:20] <Hackman238> lmickh: there may or may not be a problem- how 'fast' is this server?

[01-Jun-2011 16:47:03] <lmickh> Hackman238: dual core 3ghz with 2gbs ram.  Not running anything else at the moment.

[01-Jun-2011 16:47:20] <Hackman238> lmickh: you are very liekly short on ram

[01-Jun-2011 16:47:36] <Hackman238> lmickh: almost a certaincy with zenoss v3+

[01-Jun-2011 16:48:06] <dhopp> Hackman238: I installed on 2 GB of RAM and dual cpu VM without an problems

[01-Jun-2011 16:48:10] <Hackman238> lmickh: delete the directory its half installed in and start the install over. Check in a terminal, as dhopp suggested, and see if zeo is busy.

[01-Jun-2011 16:48:16] <dhopp> not saying it is ideal

[01-Jun-2011 16:48:23] <Hackman238> dhopp: we dont know what else is running

[01-Jun-2011 16:48:33] <dhopp> Hackman238:  true

[01-Jun-2011 16:48:37] <Hackman238> dhopp: also has gui running

[01-Jun-2011 16:48:48] <lmickh> Still have some .python.bin processes going.  Are those from the stack.bin?

[01-Jun-2011 16:49:04] <dhopp> lmickh:  those are most likely the zenoss daemons

[01-Jun-2011 16:49:29] <lmickh> dhopp:  should I kill them before retrying?

[01-Jun-2011 16:49:35] <Hackman238> lmickh: yep

[01-Jun-2011 16:49:46] <Hackman238> lmickh: verify they die

[01-Jun-2011 16:49:57] <dhopp> zenoss-stack stop will make those go away…but if you killed the process you will want to stop all daemons..blow up installation directory and start over has hackman stated

[01-Jun-2011 16:50:16] <dhopp> or just zenoss stop

[01-Jun-2011 16:53:01] <lmickh> Ok killed it all off, whacked the install dir, and going to start again.

[01-Jun-2011 16:55:31] <dhopp> lmickh:  did you make sure mysql wasn't running?

[01-Jun-2011 16:56:07] <lmickh> dhopp: stop mysql service too?

[01-Jun-2011 16:56:21] <Hackman238> lmickh: its part of the stack

[01-Jun-2011 16:57:25] <dhopp> lmickh:  just the one that is running from the stack install directory..ps aux | grep mysql…if you have another mysql you want to kill the one that has something like :--pid-file=/usr/local/zenoss/mysql/data/

[01-Jun-2011 16:58:23] <Hackman238> dhopp: I have to run, I think you've got this case under control :-)

[01-Jun-2011 16:58:40] <Hackman238> Later all!

[01-Jun-2011 16:59:07] <lmickh> Hackman238: Thanks for the help

[01-Jun-2011 16:59:30] <lmickh> dhopp: There are not mysql instances running

[01-Jun-2011 17:00:45] <dhopp> lmickh:  ok..should be good to reinstall

[01-Jun-2011 17:03:21] <lmickh> dhopp: ok it is running now.  Unpacking the files to the install dir at the moment.

[01-Jun-2011 17:03:39] <dhopp> ok

[01-Jun-2011 17:07:02] <lmickh> Just hit the point that it is loading the data again.  Memory usage seems fine.  Only 550Mb used at the moment.

[01-Jun-2011 17:07:49] <dhopp> is there anything using cpu?

[01-Jun-2011 17:07:55] <dhopp> like zeo or zope?

[01-Jun-2011 17:08:44] <lmickh> zeo is running, but not using anything significant

[01-Jun-2011 17:08:58] <dhopp> what about disk i/o?

[01-Jun-2011 17:09:07] <dhopp> can you post a few lines of vmstat 5 ?

[01-Jun-2011 17:11:03] <lmickh> Lines posted at http://fpaste.org/9zVq/

[01-Jun-2011 17:13:00] <dhopp> there is something using some cpu… ~10%

[01-Jun-2011 17:13:13] <dhopp> can you post top -b -n1 ?

[01-Jun-2011 17:15:09] <lmickh> http://fpaste.org/x6Hx/

[01-Jun-2011 17:16:55] <dhopp> is there any log files being updated in $ZENHOME/logs?

[01-Jun-2011 17:17:01] <dhopp> do a ls -ltr in that directory

[01-Jun-2011 17:17:09] <dhopp> and what is the timestamp on the last file in the list

[01-Jun-2011 17:18:04] <lmickh> there is no $ZENHOME/logs

[01-Jun-2011 17:18:15] <dhopp> what directory did you tell it to install to?

[01-Jun-2011 17:19:14] <lmickh> /usr/local/zenoss

[01-Jun-2011 17:19:25] <lmickh> There are files there.  Just no /logs

[01-Jun-2011 17:19:37] <dhopp> what about /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/logs ?

[01-Jun-2011 17:20:30] <lmickh> ah yes there is that.  zeo.log is stamped at 15:06.  14 minutes ago

[01-Jun-2011 17:21:39] <lmickh> Here is the zeo.log http://fpaste.org/2oer/

[01-Jun-2011 17:26:11] <dhopp> ok..something is weird…I looked at your top output again and it shows zenoss-stack-3 as using quite a bit of cpu time..way more then I would expect for just starting the install a few minutes ago

[01-Jun-2011 17:26:57] <dhopp> what is on your terminal screen right now?

[01-Jun-2011 17:27:21] <lmickh> Where I ran the bin?  Nothing

[01-Jun-2011 17:27:44] <dhopp> so it said it finished?

[01-Jun-2011 17:27:47] <lmickh> There has been no output since I started the install

[01-Jun-2011 17:28:00] <dhopp> that doesn't make any sense

[01-Jun-2011 17:28:26] <lmickh> It launched the gui.  Gui still says it it loading the default data

[01-Jun-2011 17:28:44] <dhopp> oh

[01-Jun-2011 17:28:50] <dhopp> I don't usually use the gui installer

[01-Jun-2011 17:28:56] <lmickh> Sorry thought you only meant the terminal

[01-Jun-2011 17:29:02] <dhopp> hrm

[01-Jun-2011 17:29:55] <dhopp> can you do as root:

[01-Jun-2011 17:30:22] <dhopp> ps aux | grep zenoss | kill −9 `awk '{print $1}'`

[01-Jun-2011 17:30:40] <dhopp> that should kill all processes that have "zenoss" in them

[01-Jun-2011 17:30:50] <lmickh> should I cancel the install first?

[01-Jun-2011 17:30:58] <dhopp> you can

[01-Jun-2011 17:31:27] <dhopp> oops

[01-Jun-2011 17:31:43] <dhopp> ps aux | grep zenoss | kill −9 `awk '{print $2}'`

[01-Jun-2011 17:32:15] <uifjlh> I tried to ask this before & my IRC client locked up ... so sorry for the repeat, ... does the ZenPak community mib utility work w/ Zenoss 3.1 ?

[01-Jun-2011 17:33:09] <dhopp> uifjlh:  I don't think so...

[01-Jun-2011 17:33:17] <dhopp> uifjlh:  but I don't know for sure

[01-Jun-2011 17:34:22] <uifjlh> I'm using the virtual appliance as a proof of concept... I ran across a device that i need to load a MIB for ...

[01-Jun-2011 17:35:40] <lmickh> dhopp: Cancelled the install and ran the command.  There are no zenoss processes

[01-Jun-2011 17:36:06] <dhopp> so ps aux | grep [z]enoss shows nothing right?

[01-Jun-2011 17:36:42] <lmickh> only the "grep zenoss" that is looking for processes

[01-Jun-2011 17:36:54] <uifjlh> I have the MIB ... just trying to get it into Zenoss

[01-Jun-2011 17:37:06] <dhopp> ok…kill mysql too

[01-Jun-2011 17:37:40] <dhopp> uifjlh:  I'm not sure…I haven't tried to do anything with mibs in 3.1

[01-Jun-2011 17:38:03] <lmickh> dhopp: done

[01-Jun-2011 17:38:40] <dhopp> as root: rm -rf /usr/local/zenoss

[01-Jun-2011 17:38:43] <uifjlh> I tried loading the Zenpak for PowerWare UPS's ... but it's not quite right, so I found the MIB

[01-Jun-2011 17:39:02] <lmickh> ok

[01-Jun-2011 17:40:21] <dhopp> lmickh:  did the gui give you any kind of progress bar?

[01-Jun-2011 17:40:22] <uifjlh> I'm not quite ready to "build my own" Zenpak

[01-Jun-2011 17:40:31] <dhopp> uifjlh:  you and me both

[01-Jun-2011 17:40:48] <lmickh> dhopp: yes while this install was going, there was a progress bar

[01-Jun-2011 17:41:04] <uifjlh> the little CentOS VM does run pretty nice in VirtualBox

[01-Jun-2011 17:41:05] <lmickh> dhopp: It was at 100% when it was loading the data into the database

[01-Jun-2011 17:42:00] <dhopp> lmickh:  lets try running the installer with —debuglevel 4

[01-Jun-2011 17:42:51] <lmickh> dhopp: "./zenoss-stack.bin -debuglevel 4" then?

[01-Jun-2011 17:42:58] <dhopp> lmickh:  yes

[01-Jun-2011 17:43:08] <dhopp> without quotes

[01-Jun-2011 17:46:43] <lmickh> ok at the progress bar and it is unpacking/installing

[01-Jun-2011 17:46:55] <dhopp> anything showing up in the terminal?

[01-Jun-2011 17:47:35] <lmickh> nope.  just the gui

[01-Jun-2011 17:47:49] <dhopp> is the gui giving any more information?

[01-Jun-2011 17:47:55] <dhopp> did it say it was going to create a log?

[01-Jun-2011 17:48:11] <lmickh> No and no

[01-Jun-2011 17:48:15] <dhopp> hrmph

[01-Jun-2011 17:48:45] <dhopp> you might have to try it over with using —mode=text as well..so it doesn't go into the gui

[01-Jun-2011 17:49:16] <dhopp> err

[01-Jun-2011 17:49:18] <dhopp> —mode text

[01-Jun-2011 17:49:22] <dhopp> (no '=')

[01-Jun-2011 17:50:14] <dhopp> hmm..maybe zenoss-stack.bin —debuglevel 4 —mode text —debugtrace install.log

[01-Jun-2011 17:50:25] <lmickh> At the "loading default data into database" again, but just got there.

[01-Jun-2011 17:50:37] <dhopp> but that might give a crap load of data

[01-Jun-2011 17:51:57] <lmickh> unfortunately I have to run.  I'm going to let it sit there and see if it works its way through before I come back.  Then I'll try to run it in text mode.

[01-Jun-2011 17:52:17] <lmickh> Thanks for the help dhopp.  I appreciate it.

[01-Jun-2011 17:52:36] <dhopp> lmickh:  no problem…not sure what's happening though…never seen it do that

[01-Jun-2011 17:53:07] <lmickh> If that doesn't work, I'll try the rpm install.  Have that downloading now.

[01-Jun-2011 17:53:13] <dhopp> ok

[01-Jun-2011 17:53:25] <lmickh> adios

[01-Jun-2011 18:16:52] <f00fSteR> hey

[01-Jun-2011 18:17:01] <f00fSteR> how do i set up network autodiscover on an old install ?

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[01-Jun-2011 22:04:53] <locohost> ty zenoss, my newly implemented zenoss has saved the day like 3x this week

[01-Jun-2011 22:07:18] <locohost> threshold on my core cat just cought another io idiot, before a spanning tree loop took down all the phone switches, hooray

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[02-Jun-2011 07:40:01] <AndreaConsadori> Hi all

[02-Jun-2011 07:40:25] <AndreaConsadori> there's someone that can help me to understand a zenoss local collector setting?

[02-Jun-2011 07:40:58] <AndreaConsadori> in zenoss i put under monitoring a gigabit switch

[02-Jun-2011 07:41:10] <AndreaConsadori> with default value when i make a file transfer with 300+mb speed

[02-Jun-2011 07:41:23] <AndreaConsadori> i can see only 80mb in interface performance graph

[02-Jun-2011 07:41:39] <AndreaConsadori> if i change zperfsnmp time from default to 150 second

[02-Jun-2011 07:41:50] <AndreaConsadori> and i make the same transfer

[02-Jun-2011 07:42:03] <AndreaConsadori> now i didn't see 80mb any more

[02-Jun-2011 07:42:08] <AndreaConsadori> but 320mb

[02-Jun-2011 07:42:11] <AndreaConsadori> the correct value

[02-Jun-2011 07:42:42] <AndreaConsadori> someone can explain me why Zenoss does it?

[02-Jun-2011 07:45:28] <AndreaConsadori> i explain my issue there but i didn't still find a fix

[02-Jun-2011 07:45:28] <AndreaConsadori> thread/14169

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[02-Jun-2011 10:04:28] <JohnnyNoc> has anyone successfully gotten RRD to show actual peaks/maxes in their graphs?

[02-Jun-2011 10:04:50] <JohnnyNoc> I see some posts in the forum but no clear answer..  and when someone does offer an answer the OP seems to disappear

[02-Jun-2011 10:11:24] <Sam-I-Am> yeah?

[02-Jun-2011 10:11:43] <Sam-I-Am> make sure you're capturing and graphing the MAX cf

[02-Jun-2011 10:11:50] <JohnnyNoc> i am

[02-Jun-2011 10:11:56] <JohnnyNoc> i just posted to the forums hoping someone could help

[02-Jun-2011 10:12:01] <JohnnyNoc> thread/16133

[02-Jun-2011 10:12:04] <JohnnyNoc> i'll give you some points

[02-Jun-2011 10:12:05] <JohnnyNoc>

[02-Jun-2011 10:12:33] <JohnnyNoc> i feel like i've done everything that people have suggested in the numerous forum/mailing list postings i've read however i'm still doing something wrong

[02-Jun-2011 10:12:40] <JohnnyNoc> or, what i'm trying to do is just not possible because of RRD

[02-Jun-2011 10:12:50] <JohnnyNoc> i'm sure i'm just doing something wrong though

[02-Jun-2011 10:12:50] <JohnnyNoc>

[02-Jun-2011 10:13:06] <Sam-I-Am> 1 second precision stepping?

[02-Jun-2011 10:13:14] <JohnnyNoc> is that what i'm looking for?

[02-Jun-2011 10:13:18] <Sam-I-Am> never heard of it

[02-Jun-2011 10:13:20] <JohnnyNoc> how do i define that in the RRA

[02-Jun-2011 10:13:22] <JohnnyNoc> oh

[02-Jun-2011 10:13:48] <Sam-I-Am> RRDs are designed to consolidate over some period, otherwise they'd be huge

[02-Jun-2011 10:13:57] <JohnnyNoc> *nod*

[02-Jun-2011 10:13:59] <JohnnyNoc> that i understand

[02-Jun-2011 10:14:05] <JohnnyNoc> and i'd be willing to only store this data for say, 1 month

[02-Jun-2011 10:14:07] <JohnnyNoc> not 5 years

[02-Jun-2011 10:14:12] <Sam-I-Am> so for mine, i poll every 5 minutes

[02-Jun-2011 10:15:12] <Sam-I-Am> i also have a CF for every 5 minute cycle

[02-Jun-2011 10:15:48] <Sam-I-Am> the actual and max values are the same when there's nothing else to compare them to

[02-Jun-2011 10:16:01] <Sam-I-Am> lets say i polled every 5 minutes and had a 1 hour CF

[02-Jun-2011 10:16:18] <Sam-I-Am> when rrd went to consolidate, it'd pick the max of those 5 minute values to put into the 1 hour cf

[02-Jun-2011 10:16:40] <JohnnyNoc> yea but what i'ms eeing is that's not the true max

[02-Jun-2011 10:16:56] <JohnnyNoc> that's not the actual value returned by my command datasource

[02-Jun-2011 10:17:13] <Sam-I-Am> whats returned by the command at polling time?

[02-Jun-2011 10:17:20] <JohnnyNoc> Status=OK| DataRate=427.82

[02-Jun-2011 10:17:21] <Sam-I-Am> and you can check the rrd to see if it was entered that way

[02-Jun-2011 10:17:22] <JohnnyNoc> something like that

[02-Jun-2011 10:17:49] <JohnnyNoc> hrm, i was only looking at the graphs themselves but i guess i could dump it and have a look

[02-Jun-2011 10:18:16] <Sam-I-Am> i'd look at the file... easier to see the actual values

[02-Jun-2011 10:18:22] <JohnnyNoc> so, in the scenario i described in my posting

[02-Jun-2011 10:18:25] <JohnnyNoc> my current max is 888.48

[02-Jun-2011 10:18:35] <JohnnyNoc> I see a value as high as 975.11

[02-Jun-2011 10:18:58] <Sam-I-Am> does this command return a max or a current value?

[02-Jun-2011 10:19:22] <JohnnyNoc> if this makes sense, both

[02-Jun-2011 10:19:29] <JohnnyNoc> it parses a log and looks for datarates

[02-Jun-2011 10:19:30] <JohnnyNoc> chooses the max

[02-Jun-2011 10:19:44] <Sam-I-Am> so its already returning the max over a certain amount of time?

[02-Jun-2011 10:19:51] <JohnnyNoc> yes

[02-Jun-2011 10:19:57] <JohnnyNoc> every 60s currently

[02-Jun-2011 10:20:32] <JohnnyNoc> er

[02-Jun-2011 10:20:42] <JohnnyNoc> <!-- 2011-06-02 09:06:00 CDT / 1307023560 --> <row><v> 8.8847676409e+02 </v></row>

[02-Jun-2011 10:20:44] <JohnnyNoc> there's my value

[02-Jun-2011 10:21:31] <Sam-I-Am> in the rrd?

[02-Jun-2011 10:21:41] <JohnnyNoc> yes..  i mean, it explains why that's in the graph

[02-Jun-2011 10:21:51] <JohnnyNoc> but i feel like, higher values were previously returned

[02-Jun-2011 10:21:52] <Sam-I-Am> ok

[02-Jun-2011 10:22:00] <JohnnyNoc> i'm going to blow away the RRD and watch more closely

[02-Jun-2011 10:22:17] <Sam-I-Am> depending on how far you zoom in/out of the graph, rrd will choose different CFs

[02-Jun-2011 10:22:25] <JohnnyNoc> *nod*

[02-Jun-2011 10:22:26] <Sam-I-Am> if you only have 1 CF for it to use, it can't do that

[02-Jun-2011 10:22:34] <JohnnyNoc> i've removed all the RRA except the one

[02-Jun-2011 10:22:52] <JohnnyNoc> so, it can only use the MAX

[02-Jun-2011 10:23:03] <JohnnyNoc> as far as I'm concerned...  but i must be doing something wrong!

[02-Jun-2011 10:24:19] <Sam-I-Am> so the max indicated numerically in the rrd graph png is some other number?

[02-Jun-2011 10:24:34] <JohnnyNoc> yes

[02-Jun-2011 10:24:40] <JohnnyNoc> not the actual value returned by my command datasource

[02-Jun-2011 10:25:03] <Sam-I-Am> whats the rrd command?

[02-Jun-2011 10:25:19] <JohnnyNoc> not sure i understand what you mean

[02-Jun-2011 10:25:27] <JohnnyNoc> to create the graph?  want to see a paste?

[02-Jun-2011 10:25:55] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, to create the graph

[02-Jun-2011 10:26:14] <JohnnyNoc> http://fpaste.org/94aZ/

[02-Jun-2011 10:26:27] <JohnnyNoc> all i've done is add --step=60 to the custom graph command which you see is appended to the bottom

[02-Jun-2011 10:26:43] <JohnnyNoc> but i don't know how to change any of this stuff..  whenever i add stuff to the custom graph command it just gets appended

[02-Jun-2011 10:26:55] <JohnnyNoc> so i ran into issues previously where i was re-using datasources and rrd complained

[02-Jun-2011 10:28:50] <Sam-I-Am> if you want to make an entirely custom graph you leave off the graph points and do a custom graph definition

[02-Jun-2011 10:29:15] <Sam-I-Am> but i dont think thats your problem

[02-Jun-2011 10:29:18] <JohnnyNoc> ah i see

[02-Jun-2011 10:29:26] <JohnnyNoc> that's good to know

[02-Jun-2011 10:29:29] <Sam-I-Am> yeah

[02-Jun-2011 10:29:33] <JohnnyNoc> yea, i mean, i wish i could say i knew it was or wasn't

[02-Jun-2011 10:29:34] <Sam-I-Am> you get to write your own rrd stuff though

[02-Jun-2011 10:29:34] <JohnnyNoc>

[02-Jun-2011 10:30:01] <Sam-I-Am> http://fpaste.org/PSUD/

[02-Jun-2011 10:30:11] <Sam-I-Am> theres my ethernet csmacd64 template

[02-Jun-2011 10:30:16] <Sam-I-Am> its all custom

[02-Jun-2011 10:30:39] <Sam-I-Am> i needed to use some rrd features which zenoss didnt directly support

[02-Jun-2011 10:30:51] <JohnnyNoc> looks serious

[02-Jun-2011 10:30:56] <JohnnyNoc> and you can't help me figure out my problem? 

[02-Jun-2011 10:30:59] <Sam-I-Am> i'd try generating a graph manually with rrdtool... see what it does

[02-Jun-2011 10:31:22] <JohnnyNoc> so, after blowing my graph and stuff

[02-Jun-2011 10:31:26] <JohnnyNoc> RRD says max is 682.32

[02-Jun-2011 10:31:27] <Sam-I-Am> was the rrd created with a step of 60?

[02-Jun-2011 10:31:29] <JohnnyNoc> I see 817.99

[02-Jun-2011 10:31:31] <JohnnyNoc> no

[02-Jun-2011 10:31:43] <JohnnyNoc> i was under the impression the default stepping was 300, 5 minutes

[02-Jun-2011 10:31:50] <JohnnyNoc> so i added that

[02-Jun-2011 10:31:58] <Sam-I-Am> the stepping it how often you plan to update it

[02-Jun-2011 10:32:03] <JohnnyNoc> *nod*

[02-Jun-2011 10:32:04] <Sam-I-Am> it goes into the rrd when created

[02-Jun-2011 10:32:12] <JohnnyNoc> which is why i set it to 60, as my command runs every 60s

[02-Jun-2011 10:32:40] <Sam-I-Am> but isnt that when you're calling rrdtool to generate a graph?

[02-Jun-2011 10:32:45] <Sam-I-Am> rather than when you created the rrd?

[02-Jun-2011 10:33:12] <JohnnyNoc> yes. ot

[02-Jun-2011 10:33:22] <JohnnyNoc> yes, if i understand corectly it's used when generating the graph

[02-Jun-2011 10:33:39] <JohnnyNoc> i have a meeting to attend but will be back shortly

[02-Jun-2011 10:33:53] <Sam-I-Am> and when determining the consolidation period

[02-Jun-2011 10:34:03] <Sam-I-Am> booo meetings

[02-Jun-2011 10:34:17] <JohnnyNoc> i just can't believe someone hasn't figured this out

[02-Jun-2011 10:34:27] <JohnnyNoc> and because people have asked, and no one seems to have a straight answer, i'm wondering wtf

[02-Jun-2011 10:34:29] <JohnnyNoc>

[02-Jun-2011 10:34:30] <JohnnyNoc> brb

[02-Jun-2011 10:35:06] <Sam-I-Am> i think because if you use a 300s consolidation and 300s polling, it Magically Works

[02-Jun-2011 10:35:10] <Sam-I-Am> which is the default

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[02-Jun-2011 10:53:17] <jim_SFU> I am trying to set up Zenoss to alert us when Basic Auth is not turned on for a specific website

[02-Jun-2011 10:53:39] <jim_SFU> Is it as easy as setting up a http monitor and not setting basic auth or has someone written a better way?

[02-Jun-2011 10:57:32] <JohnnyNoc> Sam-I-Am the default didn't work before when I simply changed the CF of the datasource

[02-Jun-2011 10:57:44] <JohnnyNoc> i did no stepping, no changes to the RRAs etc

[02-Jun-2011 10:58:06] <JohnnyNoc> and it wouldn't show the max of the values returned by my datasrouce

[02-Jun-2011 10:58:59] <Sam-I-Am> eh

[02-Jun-2011 10:59:34] <Sam-I-Am> so...

[02-Jun-2011 11:00:15] <JohnnyNoc> hell, i'm willing to try it again though

[02-Jun-2011 11:00:16] <JohnnyNoc>

[02-Jun-2011 11:00:40] <f00fSteR> jim_SFU, you can set up a python regex... check out the event guide by jane up at skills-1st.co.uk google it "Zenoss Event Management jane"

[02-Jun-2011 11:00:54] <f00fSteR> it'll start you right up ... take's maybe a day of good reading

[02-Jun-2011 11:01:03] <Sam-I-Am> did you create the rrd with a step of 60?

[02-Jun-2011 11:01:03] <f00fSteR> have you read the admin guide, cover to cover ?

[02-Jun-2011 11:01:39] <JohnnyNoc> i haven't manually created any RRDs

[02-Jun-2011 11:01:55] <Sam-I-Am> JohnnyNoc: what created the rrd for this data source?

[02-Jun-2011 11:02:07] <JohnnyNoc> my answer is "Zenoss"

[02-Jun-2011 11:02:08] <jim_SFU> k, thanks f00fSteR, i've written a couple of python things, was hoping there was some trick built in

[02-Jun-2011 11:02:17] <JohnnyNoc> zencommand i guess?

[02-Jun-2011 11:02:53] <Sam-I-Am> JohnnyNoc: so its creating it using the numbers you provided in default RRD for the hub/collector

[02-Jun-2011 11:03:01] <JohnnyNoc> *nod*

[02-Jun-2011 11:03:06] <JohnnyNoc> i showed the only RRA value there

[02-Jun-2011 11:03:18] <JohnnyNoc> straterra:MAX:0.5:1:43200

[02-Jun-2011 11:03:21] <JohnnyNoc> er

[02-Jun-2011 11:03:24] <JohnnyNoc> straterra:MAX:0.5:1:43200

[02-Jun-2011 11:03:26] <JohnnyNoc> weird

[02-Jun-2011 11:03:30] <Simon4> changing those settings won't change the RRD, so if you've tuned them you'll need to go tune the rrd manually or delete it and let it be recreated

[02-Jun-2011 11:03:32] <JohnnyNoc> straterra:MAX:0.5:1:43200

[02-Jun-2011 11:03:38] <JohnnyNoc> i've deleted it

[02-Jun-2011 11:03:39] <Sam-I-Am> rrdtool info <rrdfile> ... shows what for step?

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[02-Jun-2011 11:03:43] <JohnnyNoc> like a billion times

[02-Jun-2011 11:03:43] <JohnnyNoc>

[02-Jun-2011 11:03:52] <JohnnyNoc> step = 60

[02-Jun-2011 11:03:59] <Sam-I-Am> because if zenoss is configured for 300s default polling, its gonna create that file with step = 300

[02-Jun-2011 11:04:37] <JohnnyNoc> like i said, it s ays step = 60

[02-Jun-2011 11:05:20] <Sam-I-Am> hmm

[02-Jun-2011 11:06:30] <Sam-I-Am> and drawing a graph manually with rrdtool with time range 60s shows what?

[02-Jun-2011 11:06:40] <JohnnyNoc> i haven't done that yet

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[02-Jun-2011 11:08:51] <JohnnyNoc> i would, but i just have a hard time understanding why a solutino for this is readily apparent as i can't be the first

[02-Jun-2011 11:08:51] <JohnnyNoc> :/

[02-Jun-2011 11:08:56] <JohnnyNoc> maybe a cigarette will help

[02-Jun-2011 11:09:04] <straterra> JohnnyNoc: what?

[02-Jun-2011 11:25:32] <JohnnyNoc> straterra that was a mistake, my IRC client was autocompleting RRA into your nick

[02-Jun-2011 11:26:07] <straterra> ah, ok

[02-Jun-2011 11:55:04] <JohnnyNoc> just want to point out that the IRC logs are very helpful, so thanks to whoever is responsible for that

[02-Jun-2011 11:55:05] <JohnnyNoc>

[02-Jun-2011 11:59:37] <Sam-I-Am> JohnnyNoc: find something

[02-Jun-2011 11:59:38] <Sam-I-Am> ?

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[02-Jun-2011 12:03:28] <JohnnyNoc> well.. yes, but for another issue

[02-Jun-2011 12:03:30] <JohnnyNoc> :/

[02-Jun-2011 12:06:34] <Sam-I-Am> oh

[02-Jun-2011 12:06:35] <Sam-I-Am> pfft

[02-Jun-2011 12:06:45] <Sam-I-Am> got me all excited there

[02-Jun-2011 12:09:14] <JohnnyNoc> sorry buddy

[02-Jun-2011 12:09:19] <JohnnyNoc> now i'm doing a workplace survey

[02-Jun-2011 12:09:27] <JohnnyNoc> lame

[02-Jun-2011 12:11:08] <Sam-I-Am> workplace survey?

[02-Jun-2011 12:11:39] <JohnnyNoc> yea, survey by 3rd party about what it's like to work here

[02-Jun-2011 12:11:42] <JohnnyNoc> whats good whats bad etc

[02-Jun-2011 12:11:44] <JohnnyNoc> corporate bs

[02-Jun-2011 12:14:52] <squig> its important to answer all surveys with a completely random response

[02-Jun-2011 12:18:06] <JohnnyNoc> yes i wanted to answer "hookers and blow" when asked how they could improve my workplace experience

[02-Jun-2011 12:18:18] <JohnnyNoc> but i'm skeptical about the whole "the employer doesn't know who said XYZ"

[02-Jun-2011 12:18:38] <Sam-I-Am> lol

[02-Jun-2011 12:18:40] <Sam-I-Am> they do

[02-Jun-2011 12:18:50] <Sam-I-Am> must be generating a list for 'layoffs'

[02-Jun-2011 12:19:19] <JohnnyNoc> haha

[02-Jun-2011 12:19:29] <JohnnyNoc> i doubt it but it's always a possibility

[02-Jun-2011 12:24:20] <squig> right it would be better if my manager stopped beating me

[02-Jun-2011 12:31:29] <dhopp> ugh…json is a beast

[02-Jun-2011 12:35:21] <rmatte> how is json a beat?

[02-Jun-2011 12:35:23] <rmatte> beast*

[02-Jun-2011 12:35:28] <rmatte> it's about as simple as it gets

[02-Jun-2011 12:35:51] <rmatte> It's basically identical to a python list

[02-Jun-2011 12:36:01] <rmatte> or a python dictionary

[02-Jun-2011 12:36:31] <Sam-I-Am> sup rmatte

[02-Jun-2011 12:36:58] <rmatte> not much, just logging time in our crm system

[02-Jun-2011 12:37:00] <rmatte> boooring lol

[02-Jun-2011 12:37:23] <dhopp> rmatte: ok…maybe I was over simplifying my statement…json + getting familiar with python is a beast

[02-Jun-2011 12:37:44] <rmatte> python isn't really that bad when you compare it to most other languages

[02-Jun-2011 12:39:02] <dhopp> rmatte: python isn't that bad…but still not super familiar with it...

[02-Jun-2011 12:39:41] <dhopp> rmatte: and I know I could do this in perl..but eventually I want to get into writing some zenpacks so might as well use this time to get more familiar with python

[02-Jun-2011 12:40:02] <rmatte> yeh, you definitely want to learn Python if you'll be using Zenoss

[02-Jun-2011 12:40:53] <dhopp> rmatte: I've done enough coding that I can look at python code and decipher it and probably even debug it to some degree…writing it from scratch is taking me some time to get used to

[02-Jun-2011 12:41:01] <dhopp> I still don't think I fully understand dictionaries

[02-Jun-2011 12:42:36] <rmatte> dictionaries are pretty simple...

[02-Jun-2011 12:42:50] <rmatte> you literally just do...

[02-Jun-2011 12:42:56] <dhopp> looks like they are just associative arrays...

[02-Jun-2011 12:43:10] <rmatte> blah['whatever'] = 'whateverelse'

[02-Jun-2011 12:43:26] <rmatte> and then if you do: print blah['whatever'] it returns 'whateverelse'

[02-Jun-2011 12:43:42] <rmatte> so 'whatever' is basically your index value

[02-Jun-2011 12:44:20] <rmatte> you can also remove an entry from a dictionary by doing...

[02-Jun-2011 12:44:27] <rmatte> del blah['whatever']

[02-Jun-2011 12:44:31] <rmatte> that would remove that entry

[02-Jun-2011 12:45:05] <rmatte> Those are the basics, it's quite simple.

[02-Jun-2011 12:46:21] <rmatte> so a practical example is that you could use it to store event counts for event ids...

[02-Jun-2011 12:46:23] <rmatte> i.e...

[02-Jun-2011 12:46:34] <rmatte> events[e.evid] = e.count

[02-Jun-2011 12:46:46] <hmp> dhopp:  looks like to me they are just associative arrays

[02-Jun-2011 12:46:53] <rmatte> hmp: correct

[02-Jun-2011 12:46:54] <hmp> i think all perl guys see em that way

[02-Jun-2011 12:47:58] <dhopp> rmatte: am I reading the json API correctly for AddDevice of DeviceRouter…that almost all of the values have default values..so if I pass in a data dictionary that only has 3 or 4 things set, all of the other stuff gets defaults and I won't have it pooping all over the place?

[02-Jun-2011 13:21:34] <bhansen> Anyone awake

[02-Jun-2011 13:25:10] <jmp242> I am sort of

[02-Jun-2011 13:30:32] <bhansen> Trying to figure out an issue I have with creating multigraph reports, when ever I try to create the graph defs I get a traceback that points at a customer template I have created

[02-Jun-2011 13:30:45] <bhansen> pastebin link http://pastebin.com/DXAKGXUL

[02-Jun-2011 13:31:06] <bhansen> err custom not customer

[02-Jun-2011 13:32:49] <bhansen> I have deleted the custom template and get the same thing

[02-Jun-2011 13:33:40] <bhansen> the odd thing is the template is just a empty shell so it does not try to grab ethernet stats from the interface due to its type being sonetPath

[02-Jun-2011 13:37:12] <jmp242> mmm

[02-Jun-2011 13:37:19] <jmp242> not something I've seen

[02-Jun-2011 13:37:27] <jmp242> Maybe try reindex?

[02-Jun-2011 13:37:31] <jmp242> or checkrels?

[02-Jun-2011 13:41:57] <bhansen> what is checkrels?

[02-Jun-2011 13:42:10] <bhansen> I have done an reindex with no avail

[02-Jun-2011 13:42:17] <bhansen> not familiar with checkrels

[02-Jun-2011 13:43:09] <bhansen> I assume its a zendmd command?

[02-Jun-2011 13:43:17] <bhansen> btw Im on 2.5.2

[02-Jun-2011 13:46:00] <jmp242> mmm

[02-Jun-2011 13:46:20] <jmp242> zenchkrels -r -x1

[02-Jun-2011 13:46:25] <jmp242> I think it's just command line

[02-Jun-2011 13:46:32] <jmp242> this is usually for a phantom device

[02-Jun-2011 13:46:39] <jmp242> but it may also find the phantom template

[02-Jun-2011 13:50:40] <bhansen> do we know what the switches do? -r and -x21

[02-Jun-2011 13:50:44] <bhansen> err -x1

[02-Jun-2011 13:57:34] <jmp242> sorry, not really

[02-Jun-2011 13:57:42] <jmp242> what if you just do zenchkrels?

[02-Jun-2011 13:57:52] <jmp242> does it give any info?

[02-Jun-2011 13:58:53] <jmp242> mmm - no

[02-Jun-2011 13:58:57] <jmp242> when I just run it, it does a check

[02-Jun-2011 13:59:49] <bhansen> ok I am running a reindex just to be sure, ill run the check in a min

[02-Jun-2011 14:00:21] <dhopp> zenchkrels —help

[02-Jun-2011 14:00:22] <dhopp>   -r, --repair          repair all inconsistant relations

[02-Jun-2011 14:00:23] <dhopp>   -x SAVEPOINT, --savepoint=SAVEPOINT

[02-Jun-2011 14:00:23] <dhopp>                         how many lines should be loaded before savepoint

[02-Jun-2011 14:00:38] <jmp242> thanks dhopp

[02-Jun-2011 14:00:42] <bhansen> sweet thanks

[02-Jun-2011 14:00:48] <jmp242> I was going to look at the source code to figure out the arguments

[02-Jun-2011 14:00:50] <jmp242> -?

[02-Jun-2011 14:00:52] <jmp242> failed

[02-Jun-2011 14:00:56] <jmp242> no man entry

[02-Jun-2011 14:01:01] <jmp242> so I didn't think of --help

[02-Jun-2011 14:02:14] <jmp242> ok, so what is the -x savepoint about/

[02-Jun-2011 14:02:15] <jmp242> ?

[02-Jun-2011 14:02:27] <dhopp> jmp242:  that I don't know…lol

[02-Jun-2011 14:02:30] <jmp242> I have no idea what that's supposed to mean

[02-Jun-2011 14:02:31] <jmp242> lol

[02-Jun-2011 14:02:48] <bhansen> I assume it saves the lines before the changes so you can revert it

[02-Jun-2011 14:02:56] <jmp242> ah

[02-Jun-2011 14:06:47] <bhansen> lol I got a traceback on the check (without the repair option enabled)

[02-Jun-2011 14:08:13] <jmp242> did you ctrl-c out of it?

[02-Jun-2011 14:08:18] <jmp242> or just when you ran it, it errored

[02-Jun-2011 14:08:30] <bhansen> nope it ran and then errored out

[02-Jun-2011 14:08:35] <jmp242> Let me test it

[02-Jun-2011 14:08:44] <bhansen> looks like the template it died on is bad

[02-Jun-2011 14:08:53] <jmp242> ahh, it may be

[02-Jun-2011 14:08:55] <bhansen> which is ok since I am not using it

[02-Jun-2011 14:09:09] <jmp242> I unfortunately don't know what the errors are or exactly what this is supposed to do

[02-Jun-2011 14:09:21] <jmp242> just that Zenoss support recommends starting with it for "phantom" stuff

[02-Jun-2011 14:09:35] <bhansen> yeah

[02-Jun-2011 14:09:58] <jmp242> too bad rocket isn't here, he might know

[02-Jun-2011 14:10:04] <jmp242> or nyeats

[02-Jun-2011 14:12:52] <bhansen> well removing that template and it got past it on the check so lets hope it fixes the other stuff

[02-Jun-2011 14:16:20] <bhansen> I have a lot of devices and templates.....

[02-Jun-2011 14:16:46] <dhopp> bhansen: what version of zenoss?

[02-Jun-2011 14:16:51] <bhansen> 2.5.2

[02-Jun-2011 14:17:16] <dhopp> bhansen: ok…I remember hearing/seeing something about relationship problem is 2.4.x

[02-Jun-2011 15:08:23] <uifjlh> is anyone else using the VM client ?

[02-Jun-2011 15:08:35] <uifjlh> VM server

[02-Jun-2011 15:11:50] <jmp242> ?

[02-Jun-2011 15:12:01] <jmp242> VM server? You mean the VM they provide?

[02-Jun-2011 15:12:11] <uifjlh> yes that ...

[02-Jun-2011 15:12:44] <jmp242> oh, no I don't use it

[02-Jun-2011 15:13:09] <uifjlh> when I read the Zenoss documentation, after adding a zenpak, you are suppose to restart the zope service... I haven't been able to find that command on the VM

[02-Jun-2011 15:13:24] <jmp242> Ummm, use the Daemons part of the Advanced tab

[02-Jun-2011 15:13:43] <uifjlh> oh... I've been trying to find the console command...

[02-Jun-2011 15:13:46] <dhopp> uifjlh: su - zenoss; zopectl restart

[02-Jun-2011 15:13:55] <uifjlh> that's it ...

[02-Jun-2011 15:14:06] <Sam-I-Am> always do zenossy things as the zenoss user

[02-Jun-2011 15:14:17] <Sam-I-Am> otherwise you may experience Bad Stuff

[02-Jun-2011 15:14:22] <jmp242> or just zenoss restart to bounce the whole stack

[02-Jun-2011 15:14:27] <uifjlh> ha ha , kknow that ...

[02-Jun-2011 15:14:29] <jmp242> it's going to depend on the zenpack

[02-Jun-2011 15:15:06] <uifjlh> I've been able to just shutdown now / halt the VM, it boots up pretty fast, but that's kind of a big stick just to restart a service ...

[02-Jun-2011 15:15:35] <uifjlh> I'm testing it using VirtualBox on my laptop ... it's working very well !

[02-Jun-2011 15:16:31] <uifjlh> if I do mess it up, I just recopy the vmdk...

[02-Jun-2011 15:16:53] <uifjlh> or i've been using snapshots lately, that's very helpful too ... roll it back

[02-Jun-2011 15:35:17] <uifjlh> the zopectl restart does not work, even if i'm in the /opt/zenoss/bin directory ??

[02-Jun-2011 15:36:44] <bhansen> are you logged in as the zenoss user?

[02-Jun-2011 15:37:03] <uifjlh> on this VM i'm playing w. fire as root

[02-Jun-2011 15:37:14] <bhansen> you have to su - zenoss

[02-Jun-2011 15:37:36] <uifjlh> ok, I'll try that ... duh TY

[02-Jun-2011 15:37:45] <bhansen> so you have all the enviorments

[02-Jun-2011 15:41:13] <JohnnyNoc> anyone have experience with SSDs and Zenoss?

[02-Jun-2011 15:41:47] <JohnnyNoc> was hoping to hear some real world stories as my boss has proposed we use a small SSD to store our RRDs

[02-Jun-2011 15:42:22] <Sam-I-Am> it'd be fast

[02-Jun-2011 15:43:04] <JohnnyNoc> haha sure, i would hope so

[02-Jun-2011 15:43:04] <JohnnyNoc>

[02-Jun-2011 15:43:59] <JohnnyNoc> Sam-I-Am so, with respect to my issue with getting true max in RRD

[02-Jun-2011 15:44:21] <JohnnyNoc> i just don't think it's possible based on a posting i saw on the RRD mailing list where a user said that Tobi (the rrdtool author) said it's not possible to get true min/max values

[02-Jun-2011 15:44:24] <JohnnyNoc> and is a design decision

[02-Jun-2011 15:44:34] <Sam-I-Am> so.. what does it do?

[02-Jun-2011 15:44:39] <Sam-I-Am> mine always looked close enough

[02-Jun-2011 15:44:47] <Sam-I-Am> then again they're big numbers

[02-Jun-2011 15:44:48] <JohnnyNoc> yea, it's definitely close but no exact

[02-Jun-2011 15:44:52] <JohnnyNoc> not

[02-Jun-2011 15:45:08] <JohnnyNoc> http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/forum.en.html#nabble-td1069401

[02-Jun-2011 15:45:21] <JohnnyNoc> and the pertinent comment

[02-Jun-2011 15:45:22] <JohnnyNoc> Well, you know, the difference between you and me is that I was a user

[02-Jun-2011 15:45:23] <JohnnyNoc> of rrdtool, and a participant on this list, way back when Tobi decided

[02-Jun-2011 15:45:23] <JohnnyNoc> that indeed it was not possible to produce exact values for MAX and MIN.

[02-Jun-2011 15:47:18] <Sam-I-Am> interesting

[02-Jun-2011 15:47:22] <Sam-I-Am> i smell patch!

[02-Jun-2011 15:47:58] <JohnnyNoc> haha yea i was thinking that too when I read another thread about sub 1s stepping

[02-Jun-2011 15:48:24] <JohnnyNoc> but i'll have to leave that to the other geniuses

[02-Jun-2011 15:49:41] <Sam-I-Am> how about sub nanosecond?

[02-Jun-2011 15:50:05] <JohnnyNoc> if that's what you wanted you'd have to submit a patch!

[02-Jun-2011 15:50:33] <Sam-I-Am> i'll get right on that

[02-Jun-2011 15:51:01] <Sam-I-Am> my heads already about to explode this week, might as well send it over the edge

[02-Jun-2011 15:51:23] <JohnnyNoc> yea, agreed

[02-Jun-2011 15:51:31] <JohnnyNoc> but i had a good memorial day weekend..  did you do anything fun?

[02-Jun-2011 15:51:39] <Sam-I-Am> awake 3 nights in a row for on-call, interviews, races this weekend, interviews next week, attempting vacation, finishing my pilots license

[02-Jun-2011 15:51:41] <JohnnyNoc> my gf and I went to Cedar Point in Sandusky OH to ride some roller coasters

[02-Jun-2011 15:52:07] <Sam-I-Am> mine was busy... time of year for detailing the cars

[02-Jun-2011 15:52:18] <JohnnyNoc> yea?  some classics?

[02-Jun-2011 15:52:20] <JohnnyNoc>

[02-Jun-2011 15:52:24] <Sam-I-Am> uh, not really

[02-Jun-2011 15:52:29] <Sam-I-Am> but they still need TLD periodically

[02-Jun-2011 15:52:30] <Sam-I-Am> TLC

[02-Jun-2011 15:52:43] <JohnnyNoc> true, my 01 Jeep Cherokee falls in that category

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[02-Jun-2011 16:17:41] <rmatte> There, got Solaris filesystems monitored via SSH, that'll fix the problem I was having with AutoMountFS switching SNMP indexes

[02-Jun-2011 16:18:02] <Sam-I-Am> yay?

[02-Jun-2011 16:18:24] <rmatte> The command I had to use to gather the data for each drive: /bin/echo "|usedBlocks=$$(/bin/df -k | /bin/grep '${here/mount}$$' | awk '{ print $$3 }') availBlocks=$$(/bin/df -k | /bin/grep '${here/mount}$$' | awk '{ print $$4 }')"

[02-Jun-2011 16:18:56] <rmatte> The standard linux parser wasn't working for whatever reason even though I made the output identical to the Linux df command

[02-Jun-2011 16:19:02] <rmatte> probably something to do with spacing or something

[02-Jun-2011 16:19:04] <Sam-I-Am> ew

[02-Jun-2011 16:19:18] <rmatte> It's a heck of a lot more reliable than SNMP

[02-Jun-2011 16:19:19] <rmatte> lol

[02-Jun-2011 16:19:31] <Sam-I-Am> btdt

[02-Jun-2011 16:19:51] <Sam-I-Am> snmp on tru64 was my mess

[02-Jun-2011 16:20:03] <rmatte> hehe

[02-Jun-2011 16:20:27] <Sam-I-Am> often the snmp daemon would just hang and eventually stall zenoss

[02-Jun-2011 16:54:54] <uifjlh> I have another question, what OS do you run Zenoss on ?  (a bit of a survey)

[02-Jun-2011 16:55:04] <Sam-I-Am> centos

[02-Jun-2011 16:56:08] <uifjlh> SuSE and Ubuntu are my "familiar" OS, but I just wondered what's easiest (in your humble opinion)

[02-Jun-2011 16:56:18] <uifjlh> for Zenoss

[02-Jun-2011 17:00:38] <nyeates> Unbreakable linux all the way baby

[02-Jun-2011 17:00:43] <nyeates> Oracle or die

[02-Jun-2011 17:01:16] <nyeates> (hopefully your sarcasm detectors went off)

[02-Jun-2011 17:01:24] <uifjlh> ding ding

[02-Jun-2011 17:01:50] <nyeates> we advise centOS mostly, for customers

[02-Jun-2011 17:02:14] <uifjlh> ... I suppose ... I'll try it

[02-Jun-2011 17:02:39] <nyeates> there is a debate on this at message/58631

[02-Jun-2011 17:02:48] <uifjlh> I'll keep my other tools on Ubuntu (aka OSSEC & SPLUNK) etc ...

[02-Jun-2011 17:02:50] <nyeates> because some think that centos is dieing

[02-Jun-2011 17:03:14] <Sam-I-Am> scientific linux ~= centos

[02-Jun-2011 17:03:48] <nyeates> thing that sucks b/w ubuntu and red hat stuff, is that some of the locations of files - like network settings - are in totally different places and there are totally different utilities to set them

[02-Jun-2011 17:03:59] <Sam-I-Am> yep

[02-Jun-2011 17:04:00] <nyeates> so i hate going between breads back and forth

[02-Jun-2011 17:04:03] <nyeates> gets me all confusled

[02-Jun-2011 17:04:35] <uifjlh> it's the same old OS discussion ... isn't it ?

[02-Jun-2011 17:04:47] <Sam-I-Am> typically for me one place i work will use one variant, the next job uses another... hard to keep up on both

[02-Jun-2011 17:05:05] <nyeates> so does scientific linux have same location for network files as centos?

[02-Jun-2011 17:05:17] <Sam-I-Am> think its just another rhel clone

[02-Jun-2011 17:05:19] <uifjlh> as long as no one recommends  OS/400 ... LOL

[02-Jun-2011 17:05:33] <Simon4> nyeates: scientific linux is just another build of RHEL

[02-Jun-2011 17:05:54] <nyeates> ok - so there is no discernable difference at that level i take it

[02-Jun-2011 17:06:01] <Sam-I-Am> not that i could tell

[02-Jun-2011 17:06:06] <nyeates> maybe just branding and packaged files different?

[02-Jun-2011 17:07:25] <uifjlh> I've just gotten the OK to go beyond my "alpha project" using the Zenoss Virtual Machine ... I have my favorite OS, just wondered but TY for the discussion URL

[02-Jun-2011 17:08:06] <nyeates> man so we just had a huge conversation here about which SSH-based monitoring method to advise for core

[02-Jun-2011 17:08:43] <Sam-I-Am> whats the choices?

[02-Jun-2011 17:08:51] <Sam-I-Am> ssh is ssh?/

[02-Jun-2011 17:09:02] <uifjlh> because of the "cousin" to RH, I like SuSE

[02-Jun-2011 17:09:23] <Sam-I-Am> i dont much like rh, but i use it anyway... one of those 'when in rome' things

[02-Jun-2011 17:09:32] <Sam-I-Am> on my own i'm more of a debian fan

[02-Jun-2011 17:09:58] <nyeates> there is the 'old' method of using zenplugin.py and installing it on each of your devices to be monitored...and there is the 'new' method of the datasources running already existing shell commands (like cat /proc/stat ) and then having a parser on zenoss parse it and bring the data into the datasource

[02-Jun-2011 17:10:18] <nyeates> we ship with the 'new' example evident in /Server/SSH/Linux

[02-Jun-2011 17:10:25] <Sam-I-Am> eh

[02-Jun-2011 17:10:26] <Sam-I-Am> er, ah

[02-Jun-2011 17:10:34] <nyeates> i think the old way is going the way o f the dinosaur since u have to install it on each machine

[02-Jun-2011 17:10:38] <uifjlh> you can still feel the "German Engineering "

[02-Jun-2011 17:10:49] <Sam-I-Am> uifjlh: good handing, but requires repair weekly?

[02-Jun-2011 17:11:23] <uifjlh> that's a Fiat isn't it ?

[02-Jun-2011 17:11:37] <Sam-I-Am> that too, perhaps more like daily

[02-Jun-2011 17:11:59] <Sam-I-Am> no one i know with bmws and mercedes seems to indicate they're reliable, but they sure have fun driving them

[02-Jun-2011 17:12:16] <uifjlh> my point

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[02-Jun-2011 17:17:37] <uifjlh> there are a nice set of "stack installers" that's a very good sign!

[02-Jun-2011 17:18:00] <nyeates> uifjlh: what do u mean?

[02-Jun-2011 17:18:03] <Sam-I-Am> i've been using the rpm installer

[02-Jun-2011 17:18:18] <nyeates> that is a really hard to type screen name uifjlh

[02-Jun-2011 17:18:53] <uifjlh> docs/DOC-3240?noregister ,  has REL, CO, FD, UBU, Deb, SuSE and even Mac OSx

[02-Jun-2011 17:19:10] <nyeates> stack installers are meant for people just starting out, or wanting to test-try zenoss or for dev work

[02-Jun-2011 17:19:10] <nyeates> production zenoss's should probably consider RPM installs

[02-Jun-2011 17:19:39] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: tab completion ftw

[02-Jun-2011 17:19:39] <uifjlh> point taken ...

[02-Jun-2011 17:20:30] <nyeates> Sam-I-Am: my mac-based IRC client ftl (for the lose)

[02-Jun-2011 17:20:39] <Sam-I-Am> i use irssi on the mac

[02-Jun-2011 17:20:51] <nyeates> x-chat aqua on thye mac

[02-Jun-2011 17:20:57] <Simon4> nyeates: colloquy

[02-Jun-2011 17:21:33] <uifjlh> pidgin

[02-Jun-2011 17:21:50] <nyeates> i dunno what colloquy means

[02-Jun-2011 17:21:59] <Simon4> nyeates: it's an OS X irc client

[02-Jun-2011 17:22:13] <Simon4> has tab completion and many other good things

[02-Jun-2011 17:22:25] <f00fSteR> heyy chan

[02-Jun-2011 17:22:28] <f00fSteR> wassupo ?

[02-Jun-2011 17:22:49] <f00fSteR> where's Hackman238, Sam-I-Am, rmatte and the gang ?

[02-Jun-2011 17:22:58] <Sam-I-Am> i'm here

[02-Jun-2011 17:23:03] <Sam-I-Am> for at least another few minutes

[02-Jun-2011 17:23:13] <nyeates> Simon4: looks too bubbly for me....very mac like, but i just want very minimal to the point, use my space optimally design ;-)

[02-Jun-2011 17:23:14] <f00fSteR> what're you doing here ?!

[02-Jun-2011 17:23:19] <f00fSteR> not you again man... go that wayy~

[02-Jun-2011 17:23:25] <f00fSteR>

[02-Jun-2011 17:23:36] <f00fSteR> cant even remember what movie that was from ?

[02-Jun-2011 17:23:48] <nyeates> moo

[02-Jun-2011 17:24:12] <Sam-I-Am> hey, i'm the moo guy

[02-Jun-2011 17:24:29] <Sam-I-Am> wow, my mother is awesome

[02-Jun-2011 17:24:45] <Sam-I-Am> she asks "did you know there is a linux in denver? maybe they have job openings."

[02-Jun-2011 17:24:46] <nyeates> yes i envy your moo

[02-Jun-2011 17:25:12] <nyeates> maybe i will retreat to random 'woof's

[02-Jun-2011 17:25:29] <Sam-I-Am> i periodically choose other animal sounds

[02-Jun-2011 17:25:50] <nyeates> a linux in denver?

[02-Jun-2011 17:25:56] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, imagine that.

[02-Jun-2011 17:26:03] <nyeates> heh

[02-Jun-2011 17:26:09] <nyeates> what was she referencing tho

[02-Jun-2011 17:26:15] <Sam-I-Am> i... dont know.

[02-Jun-2011 17:26:20] <Sam-I-Am> she knows i do linux and am looking for jobs

[02-Jun-2011 17:26:25] <Sam-I-Am> i know she means well, but thats just funny

[02-Jun-2011 17:27:17] <nyeates> its sad even how many tech people dont know what linux or open source are

[02-Jun-2011 17:27:41] <Sam-I-Am> hmm... you'd think most of the moderately younger IT nerd crowd would know

[02-Jun-2011 17:27:45] <Sam-I-Am> maybe not ancient MF'ers

[02-Jun-2011 17:27:58] <Sam-I-Am> but anyone who's worked in a somewhat modern server environment

[02-Jun-2011 17:27:59] <nyeates> i meet some at local business/tech events or at my university....makes me wonder how much 'tech' they really know

[02-Jun-2011 17:28:06] <JohnnyNoc> hey, so rmatte is going to hate this question

[02-Jun-2011 17:28:19] <JohnnyNoc> but i've been working on getting rsyslog working and forwarding events to zensyslog

[02-Jun-2011 17:28:33] <JohnnyNoc> that works, i see events from localhost.localdomain (which is probably another issue)

[02-Jun-2011 17:28:49] <Simon4> nyeates: it's only bubbly until you turn off the toolbar/other garbage, then it's a nice minimalist client

[02-Jun-2011 17:28:56] <JohnnyNoc> but i'm not seeing the events from remote devices, although when i run zensyslog in debug mode i see these events

[02-Jun-2011 17:29:13] <JohnnyNoc> any idea why they're not showing up in the dashboard?

[02-Jun-2011 17:29:14] <nyeates> Simon4: ill check it out

[02-Jun-2011 17:31:11] <nyeates> maybe rmatte is at happy hr

[02-Jun-2011 17:31:22] <Sam-I-Am> we should all be at happy hr

[02-Jun-2011 17:31:29] <rmatte> no, I'm logging my time in our CRM system for a project that I completed

[02-Jun-2011 17:31:30] * Sam-I-Am installs a tap

[02-Jun-2011 17:31:31] <rmatte> booooring

[02-Jun-2011 17:31:46] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: werent you doing that hours ago

[02-Jun-2011 17:32:56] <rmatte> yeh, but I had meeting to go to, and interruptions

[02-Jun-2011 17:33:05] <rmatte> also earlier I was logging hours for a different project

[02-Jun-2011 17:33:16] <JohnnyNoc> hey rmatte...  i'm still working on this whole syslog/zensyslog thing i was talking about the other day

[02-Jun-2011 17:33:31] <JohnnyNoc> i think things are setup for the most part, but i don't see remote events that are hitting zensyslog on the dashboard

[02-Jun-2011 17:33:38] <JohnnyNoc> any idea what i might be doing wrong?

[02-Jun-2011 17:33:53] <rmatte> Perhaps their severity level is too low to show up?

[02-Jun-2011 17:34:07] <rmatte> how do you know that they are hitting zensyslog with any certainty?

[02-Jun-2011 17:34:20] <rmatte> tcpdump?

[02-Jun-2011 17:34:21] <JohnnyNoc> because i'm running it in debug

[02-Jun-2011 17:34:25] <rmatte> ah

[02-Jun-2011 17:34:33] <JohnnyNoc> i see the events, i see a tag match

[02-Jun-2011 17:34:33] <rmatte> then yeh, I'd say severity level is too low

[02-Jun-2011 17:34:36] <JohnnyNoc> and setting event class, etc

[02-Jun-2011 17:34:38] <rmatte> or it's already been tuned out

[02-Jun-2011 17:35:00] <rmatte> Zenoss does come with a few default tunings for syslog

[02-Jun-2011 17:35:08] <JohnnyNoc> hrm ok, i thought maybe there was a config option i was missing somewhere..  i'll have to dig some more i guess.  the last event was severity 4 so i dont think that's the problem

[02-Jun-2011 17:35:24] <Sam-I-Am> time to head out

[02-Jun-2011 17:35:44] <rmatte> anyways, I need to get this time logged so I'm away

[02-Jun-2011 17:39:45] <JohnnyNoc> see ya guys

[02-Jun-2011 18:43:30] <f00fSteR> guys how do i set zenoss to auto run in centos ?

[02-Jun-2011 18:44:28] <nyeates> auto run?

[02-Jun-2011 18:44:46] <nyeates> start up the zenoss daemons

[02-Jun-2011 18:45:01] <nyeates> su - zenoss (login as zenoss user)

[02-Jun-2011 18:45:03] <nyeates> zenoss start

[02-Jun-2011 18:52:27] <rmatte> pretty sure he's asking about runlevels

[02-Jun-2011 18:53:42] <rmatte> I forget the exact command but there's a command in centos to set programs to run on startup

[02-Jun-2011 18:53:53] <rmatte> though I'd think that it would do it automatically when you installed the RPMs

[02-Jun-2011 18:53:55] <rmatte> but perhaps not

[02-Jun-2011 18:53:59] <rmatte> anyways, I'm out

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[03-Jun-2011 04:53:33] <Jane_Curry> mornin

[03-Jun-2011 08:27:14] <jmp242> Jane_Curry: morning (much later here on the east coast lol)

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[03-Jun-2011 10:42:32] <dhopp> channel has been scary quiet the last couple of days…STOP WORKING PEOPLE! heh

[03-Jun-2011 10:44:14] <Hackman238> dhopp: I've been sick

[03-Jun-2011 10:49:17] <Sam-I-Am> heh

[03-Jun-2011 10:49:41] <dhopp> Hackman238: excuses

[03-Jun-2011 10:51:17] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL Its true though.

[03-Jun-2011 10:52:33] <dhopp> Hackman238: what do you use to do your zenoss development?  Eclipse?  emacs? vi?

[03-Jun-2011 10:52:59] <Hackman238> dhopp: vi.

[03-Jun-2011 10:53:21] <Sam-I-Am> vi is of course better than anything

[03-Jun-2011 10:53:23] * Sam-I-Am runs

[03-Jun-2011 10:53:27] <Hackman238> dhopp: development GUI is for VisualBasic dev's

[03-Jun-2011 10:53:39] <dhopp> Sam-I-Am:  I use vi for almost everything

[03-Jun-2011 10:53:55] <dhopp> Hackman238:  eh...

[03-Jun-2011 10:54:20] <Sam-I-Am> mmm, raspberry beret

[03-Jun-2011 10:54:22] <Hackman238> dhopp: Not that I dont write in VB, most of my Car software is written in VB6 and VC6

[03-Jun-2011 11:00:29] <jmp242> Mmmm, I stopped doing VB after college

[03-Jun-2011 11:00:39] <jmp242> I can do most of what I learned in VB6 anyway

[03-Jun-2011 11:00:44] <jmp242> in the free AutoIT lol

[03-Jun-2011 11:01:19] <dhopp> Hackman238: I was thinking of trying eclipse since it has some code complete…as I'm still learning the api

[03-Jun-2011 11:01:28] <Hackman238> jmp242: LOL. Unfortuantely I've written some fairly expansive and elaborate natural learning software for environment adaptive automation.

[03-Jun-2011 11:01:49] <Hackman238> jmp242: ...all in VB6 and VC6

[03-Jun-2011 11:02:31] <dhopp> Hackman238:  but finding out that is more difficult that I was hoping for zenoss

[03-Jun-2011 11:02:37] <dhopp> might just jump back into vi

[03-Jun-2011 11:02:55] <Hackman238> dhopp: you can tab complete api in zendmd

[03-Jun-2011 11:02:56] <jmp242> I use vi pretty much for all my text editing on linux

[03-Jun-2011 11:03:06] <jmp242> easy to use in a PuTTY window

[03-Jun-2011 11:03:15] <dhopp> Hackman238: I'm looking at json

[03-Jun-2011 11:03:20] <jmp242> of course I've forgotten pretty much everything I've ever learned about vi

[03-Jun-2011 11:03:24] <Hackman238> dhopp: Oh gotcha.

[03-Jun-2011 11:03:25] <jmp242> so I just hack around a bit

[03-Jun-2011 11:03:25] <dhopp> Hackman238: since that is the "supported" way

[03-Jun-2011 11:04:45] <dhopp> jmp242: PuTTY?  didn't know they made that for linux / OS X :-P

[03-Jun-2011 11:05:01] <jmp242> I'm a Windows guy- so Win7

[03-Jun-2011 11:05:22] <jmp242> I just do a lot on Linux on the server, and mainly learned Linux in College

[03-Jun-2011 11:05:32] <jmp242> so I'm Windows / Linux

[03-Jun-2011 11:05:48] <jmp242> OSX I just fight to find a terminal window, and pretend it's a bit retarded version of Linux

[03-Jun-2011 11:07:06] <dhopp> OS X is based on BSD…and some thing are different…but installing Quick Silver on OS X makes life easier

[03-Jun-2011 11:07:27] <dhopp> can just hit ctrl-space and type "terminal" (or iterm or xterm or whatever) and it opens it for you :-)

[03-Jun-2011 11:07:32] <Hackman238> jmp242: I'd rather suffer with Windows than OSX.

[03-Jun-2011 11:07:44] <dhopp> Hackman238: disagree

[03-Jun-2011 11:08:03] <JohnnyNoc> with OSX I can have both

[03-Jun-2011 11:08:07] <dhopp> Hackman238: my mac book pro is by far the best laptop I've ever used

[03-Jun-2011 11:08:08] <JohnnyNoc> or all 3

[03-Jun-2011 11:08:16] <JohnnyNoc> :B

[03-Jun-2011 11:08:31] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Bah- Linux all the way.

[03-Jun-2011 11:08:47] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: I'll keep my ThinkPad W series. I cant stand Mac products.

[03-Jun-2011 11:08:48] <JohnnyNoc> cool

[03-Jun-2011 11:08:54] <JohnnyNoc> ok

[03-Jun-2011 11:09:03] <JohnnyNoc> i agree with dhopp

[03-Jun-2011 11:09:05] <JohnnyNoc> best laptop i've owned

[03-Jun-2011 11:09:52] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: As a laptop tech on the side, I've found them to be so so quality wise.

[03-Jun-2011 11:09:54] <dhopp> However with that said…I do somewhat agree that apple charges more because they can…apple freaks will pay anything as long as it has the apple logo on it

[03-Jun-2011 11:10:11] <JohnnyNoc> Hackman238 that may be true

[03-Jun-2011 11:10:22] <JohnnyNoc> but it's still by far, the best laptop ownership experience i've had to date

[03-Jun-2011 11:10:36] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Defiantely one of the better choices.

[03-Jun-2011 11:10:45] <JohnnyNoc> and, i happen to like OSX

[03-Jun-2011 11:10:52] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Wipe it and slap linux in that puppy :-P

[03-Jun-2011 11:10:53] <JohnnyNoc> does everything i need it for

[03-Jun-2011 11:10:57] <JohnnyNoc> haha why

[03-Jun-2011 11:11:06] <JohnnyNoc> i can just fire up a VM

[03-Jun-2011 11:11:07] <JohnnyNoc> and have both

[03-Jun-2011 11:11:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Same running Linux

[03-Jun-2011 11:11:31] <dhopp> My first computer was an Apple..then I went away from them during the "Macintrash" days…but they were very smart basing OS X off of BSD…previous apple oses were very unstable

[03-Jun-2011 11:11:33] <JohnnyNoc> i didn't know people were running OSX vms on linux/windows

[03-Jun-2011 11:11:41] <JohnnyNoc> but whatever, i mean, this conversation is not going to go anywhere

[03-Jun-2011 11:12:04] <dhopp> I didn't mean to start a war!

[03-Jun-2011 11:12:20] <JohnnyNoc> and yes, i paid more for my apple products

[03-Jun-2011 11:12:34] <JohnnyNoc> but i think its worth it in the long run as they tend to be in my experience less troublesome

[03-Jun-2011 11:12:45] <Hackman238> Personally speaking I dislike the social motif Apple induces. Also, the products tend to cost far too much to support in large corporate IT infrastructure. RackSpace is the first large enterprise I've seen to not ban Mac products

[03-Jun-2011 11:12:49] <JohnnyNoc> whether it be hardware, os, etc.

[03-Jun-2011 11:13:21] <JohnnyNoc> i worked at google and you could choose a mac if you wanted

[03-Jun-2011 11:13:25] <JohnnyNoc> but they won't let you run windows

[03-Jun-2011 11:13:29] <Simon4> BBC lets you choose a mac

[03-Jun-2011 11:13:30] <JohnnyNoc> so what does tha tmean

[03-Jun-2011 11:13:35] <dhopp> Hackman238: all of the unix team and most of our Interface Developers use apple…although, no where near as large as Rackspace

[03-Jun-2011 11:14:00] <JohnnyNoc> and you can hate all you want, they're a spectacularly successful business at this point

[03-Jun-2011 11:14:08] <JohnnyNoc> who have arguably dont a lot more innovating the last 10 years than anyone else

[03-Jun-2011 11:14:12] <JohnnyNoc> s/dont/done

[03-Jun-2011 11:15:34] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: I disagree- most of the innovation has been the disarding of its arch and platform to move to x86 and a common platform.

[03-Jun-2011 11:16:16] <dhopp> When I started I was given a choice…PC with Windows, or apple…If I could have put linux on the PC I might have considered that…but my experience with linux on laptops as been less then desirable (crazy BS with newer wireless).

[03-Jun-2011 11:16:28] <JohnnyNoc> that is certainly a big part of the reason why they're commercially successful now but you can't say they haven't innovated

[03-Jun-2011 11:16:33] <JohnnyNoc> they've created entire industries out of nothing

[03-Jun-2011 11:16:52] <dhopp> Hackman238: agreed…some of apples "innovations" have been putting together good looking cases around already used internals

[03-Jun-2011 11:16:53] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Absolutely. The pervious model was terrible.

[03-Jun-2011 11:17:27] <Hackman238> Personally we should all be running Alpha chips- more efficient arch.

[03-Jun-2011 11:17:29] <Hackman238> :-P

[03-Jun-2011 11:17:35] <dhopp> but you can't say that apple products don't look good

[03-Jun-2011 11:17:43] <JohnnyNoc> perhaps in the desktop pc space, but they've done more for mobile computing at this point than anyone else

[03-Jun-2011 11:17:49] <JohnnyNoc> no one had a wildly successful smartphone until the iphone

[03-Jun-2011 11:17:54] <JohnnyNoc> same could be said about the ipod?

[03-Jun-2011 11:17:55] <JohnnyNoc> and itunes?

[03-Jun-2011 11:17:55] <Hackman238> dhopp: Meh- they look as nice as most similarly priced alternatives.

[03-Jun-2011 11:17:57] <JohnnyNoc> and the app store?

[03-Jun-2011 11:18:00] <JohnnyNoc> i dunno

[03-Jun-2011 11:18:19] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Again they didnt innovate the products, they innovated the advertising

[03-Jun-2011 11:18:35] <JohnnyNoc> anyway

[03-Jun-2011 11:18:46] * Sam-I-Am grabs some popcorn

[03-Jun-2011 11:18:52] <dhopp> Sam-I-Am:  lol

[03-Jun-2011 11:19:28] <dhopp> Sam-I-Am:  it's just a friendly conversation…luckily most of our not Windows everything has to have a GUI people

[03-Jun-2011 11:19:35] <dhopp> *us

[03-Jun-2011 11:19:39] <dhopp> err

[03-Jun-2011 11:19:48] <JohnnyNoc> its' just funny

[03-Jun-2011 11:19:49] <dhopp> "most of our" = most of us are

[03-Jun-2011 11:19:53] <JohnnyNoc> ipod revolutionizes the music industry

[03-Jun-2011 11:19:57] <JohnnyNoc> iphone arguably does the same

[03-Jun-2011 11:20:17] <JohnnyNoc> bleh

[03-Jun-2011 11:20:22] <dhopp> iphone is just an ipod with an antenna

[03-Jun-2011 11:20:29] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: I dont understand whats funny.

[03-Jun-2011 11:20:41] <JohnnyNoc> that you think they didn't have innovative products

[03-Jun-2011 11:21:05] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Google creates innovative products buy buying up projects.

[03-Jun-2011 11:21:14] <JohnnyNoc> we're not talking about google

[03-Jun-2011 11:21:21] <JohnnyNoc> but they steal the ideas too

[03-Jun-2011 11:21:27] <JohnnyNoc> i mean, that's how they got to where they were

[03-Jun-2011 11:21:28] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Apple creates innovative prodcuts by looking at uncapitalized past ventures by other companies

[03-Jun-2011 11:21:31] <JohnnyNoc> steal overture's keyword ideas

[03-Jun-2011 11:21:37] <JohnnyNoc> so what

[03-Jun-2011 11:21:47] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Its not innovation, its rework

[03-Jun-2011 11:21:54] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Innovation=new tech

[03-Jun-2011 11:22:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Apples innovation is old tech, new gui, costly support, @sshole attitute.

[03-Jun-2011 11:22:53] <Hackman238> *attitude

[03-Jun-2011 11:23:19] <Hackman238> the big thing I hate about Apple is not Apple at all.

[03-Jun-2011 11:23:36] <Hackman238> I dont dislike the company, etc. Like any company, to me its just a company.

[03-Jun-2011 11:23:45] <dhopp> I think the ipod could be said to be innovative…it was the first major mp3 player that actually worked...

[03-Jun-2011 11:23:48] <Hackman238> I dislike the motif they set for users.

[03-Jun-2011 11:24:32] <Hackman238> My two retail break/fix shops (CA and NY) see Macs as often as we see PCs, adjusting per capita.

[03-Jun-2011 11:25:11] <Hackman238> No Mac user has any incentive to take any care of anything because of the preset motif around Mac- I feel thats lying to customers.

[03-Jun-2011 11:25:30] <JohnnyNoc> no

[03-Jun-2011 11:25:34] <JohnnyNoc> a mac user doesn't want to do any of that bs

[03-Jun-2011 11:25:38] <JohnnyNoc> but i'm off for a smoke

[03-Jun-2011 11:25:42] <dhopp> anyway..on to zenoss…is there a way in a template to do something like: mgmt ip is 10.10.10.101, first site on that server will be 10.10.10.131, second site 10.10.10.141.  Can I somehow in a template say "mgmt subnet + 131"?

[03-Jun-2011 11:26:04] <Hackman238> I've never had a Mac user tell me they dont because they dont want to, they always believe there is no need.

[03-Jun-2011 11:26:32] <Hackman238> However the justification, I ahte dishonesty.

[03-Jun-2011 11:28:12] <Hackman238> No hate towards anyone about any of this, BTW. Everyone is completely entitled to likes, dilikes and so forth. I'm just stating my position and observations.

[03-Jun-2011 11:28:38] <Hackman238> dhopp: Do you mean to add many devices?

[03-Jun-2011 11:29:13] <dhopp> Hackman238: sort of...

[03-Jun-2011 11:29:14] <Hackman238> dhopp: If not, can you explain the test?

[03-Jun-2011 11:29:26] <dhopp> sure

[03-Jun-2011 11:29:49] <dhopp> Hackman238: lets say I have a web farm that consists for 4 web servers.  10.10.10.101-104 are the management IPs

[03-Jun-2011 11:30:36] <dhopp> Hackman238: they host load balanced websites and to check the sites on each box they are at 10.10.10.131-134 for the first site, 10.10.10.141-144 for the second site..etc

[03-Jun-2011 11:30:51] <dhopp> Hackman238: I was wondering if there was some way to template that at a device class level

[03-Jun-2011 11:31:23] <dhopp> so I didn't have to have multiple templates

[03-Jun-2011 11:31:43] <dhopp> I know I could do a modeler but I'm a ways off from actually having the understanding to do that

[03-Jun-2011 11:32:18] <Hackman238> dhopp: Apply the template to the device class

[03-Jun-2011 11:32:38] <Hackman238> Put the devices in that same device class and it should apply to them and every organizer below that level

[03-Jun-2011 11:32:52] <dhopp> Hackman238: but how do I tell the template to check 10.10.10.131 on the first server and 10.10.10.132 on the second server ?

[03-Jun-2011 11:33:15] <Hackman238> dhopp: use ${here/manageIp}

[03-Jun-2011 11:33:23] <dhopp> but those aren't the management IPs

[03-Jun-2011 11:33:30] <Hackman238> dhopp: Ah

[03-Jun-2011 11:33:35] <dhopp> 101 is the management IP..131 is the website IP

[03-Jun-2011 11:33:51] <Hackman238> You can create a custom schema entry and populate each of the devices

[03-Jun-2011 11:34:03] <dhopp> custom schema entry?

[03-Jun-2011 11:34:04] <Hackman238> so you would then ${here/cProductionIp}

[03-Jun-2011 11:34:10] <dhopp> oh

[03-Jun-2011 11:34:13] <dhopp> hrm...

[03-Jun-2011 11:34:50] <dhopp> are the custom schema entries system wide..or device class wide?

[03-Jun-2011 11:35:07] <dhopp> i.e. /Servers/Linux and /Servers/Windows could have different custom entries

[03-Jun-2011 11:35:10] <rmatte> I assume you mean custom properties?

[03-Jun-2011 11:35:15] <Hackman238> dhopp: Yep. Go to infrastructure, click device classes, more, custom schema

[03-Jun-2011 11:35:23] <Hackman238> rmatte: Correct.

[03-Jun-2011 11:35:23] <rmatte> custom schema is global

[03-Jun-2011 11:35:34] <rmatte> same as zProperties

[03-Jun-2011 11:35:37] <Sam-I-Am> sup rmatte

[03-Jun-2011 11:35:51] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: just putting monthly reports together for our clients

[03-Jun-2011 11:35:56] <rmatte> boring work

[03-Jun-2011 11:35:56] <Sam-I-Am> exciting.

[03-Jun-2011 11:36:00] <rmatte> lol

[03-Jun-2011 11:36:07] <Hackman238> dhopp: Since they are global you can populate them on the devices you need and not on the ones you dont.

[03-Jun-2011 11:36:10] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL

[03-Jun-2011 11:38:24] <Hackman238> dhopp: Let me know if you need more help.

[03-Jun-2011 11:39:35] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: If you want to invest in a wildly successful company, invest in ECZH - virtual monopoly on networking processors.

[03-Jun-2011 11:41:02] <JohnnyNoc> maybe on a dip

[03-Jun-2011 11:42:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Oh yeah, only. I have almost 18K shares since 2008 low.

[03-Jun-2011 11:44:13] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: People say buy apple, but unless you're already filthy rich you cant work any volume. Same problem as google.

[03-Jun-2011 11:44:23] <JohnnyNoc> i thought this convo was dead

[03-Jun-2011 11:44:42] <Sam-I-Am> d2m

[03-Jun-2011 11:45:08] <dhopp> JohnnyNoc: I tried to switch topics..lol

[03-Jun-2011 11:45:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: It was?

[03-Jun-2011 11:45:23] <Sam-I-Am> next up... religion or politics

[03-Jun-2011 11:45:26] <Sam-I-Am> GO!

[03-Jun-2011 11:45:34] <dec3pti0n> so an alert just popped up for an rsyn process on a device and added it to the OSProcess list to be monitored for that device

[03-Jun-2011 11:45:39] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Neither LOL

[03-Jun-2011 11:46:04] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Only kidding. Prob not a good topic. :-)

[03-Jun-2011 11:46:20] <Sam-I-Am> surprising how many people know that, yet it comes up anyway

[03-Jun-2011 11:46:27] <dec3pti0n> I'm trying to turn off rsync monitoring for tjust that device .. I can't seem to find a away .. when I chosse the process it takes me to the configuration for the whole process but I do want rsync to be monitored in other boxes

[03-Jun-2011 11:46:29] <dhopp> dec3pti0n:  did you setup any custom process expressions?  It's possible that regex caught it based on the parameters

[03-Jun-2011 11:46:50] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Sorry, I didnt mean to offen or anything. I have a free thread to talk today, whilst working on mydozen other items LOL

[03-Jun-2011 11:46:58] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: simple, set monitoring to false for that process on that device, then lock the process so that it doesn't get updated and set back to be monitored during a remodel

[03-Jun-2011 11:47:03] <Hackman238> *offend

[03-Jun-2011 11:47:09] <JohnnyNoc> i'm not offended, just no interest in continuing THAT conversation

[03-Jun-2011 11:47:11] <dhopp> Hackman238:  did you get a cpu upgrade?

[03-Jun-2011 11:47:29] <JohnnyNoc> we obviously don't agree and that's OK..  so we can put it to rest

[03-Jun-2011 11:47:31] <JohnnyNoc>

[03-Jun-2011 11:47:32] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: you may also want to give the zenprocess daemon a restart after you do that, it's bad about picking up new process monitoring config unless you restart it

[03-Jun-2011 11:47:44] <dhopp> JohnnyNoc:  agree to disagree

[03-Jun-2011 11:47:44] <dhopp> heh

[03-Jun-2011 11:48:10] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Conflict of view is important to ensure non biased solution evolution.

[03-Jun-2011 11:48:32] <JohnnyNoc> there is no solution to that debate

[03-Jun-2011 11:48:35] <Hackman238> dhopp: Nein, success and completion with 3 projects.

[03-Jun-2011 11:48:36] <JohnnyNoc> much like religion, and politics

[03-Jun-2011 11:48:41] <JohnnyNoc> which is why we should just drop it

[03-Jun-2011 11:48:43] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: don't actually click on the process name, there should be a "properties" or "details" option when you have the process highlighted, and it'll allow you to change the monitoring status of it.  There should also be an option in one of the menus to do it as well.

[03-Jun-2011 11:48:46] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: that's where I'm getting lost I think "set monitoring to false for that process on that device" I can't find an option for that

[03-Jun-2011 11:49:09] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: go to the device, then click on processes on the left

[03-Jun-2011 11:49:16] <rmatte> highlight that process by clicking on it

[03-Jun-2011 11:49:19] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: yeah I tried that .. changing from graphs to the other option but non gave me an option to disable monitoring

[03-Jun-2011 11:49:35] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: let me try again

[03-Jun-2011 11:49:38] <JohnnyNoc> hey rmatte so i've got rsyslog forwarding events to zensyslog.  events from the local machine are showing up but remote ones aren't..  any ideas why?

[03-Jun-2011 11:49:43] <rmatte> give me a second, I'll fire up my 3.x test box and walk you through this

[03-Jun-2011 11:49:51] <JohnnyNoc> as i mentioned yesterday, i see them in the logs when i run zensyslog in debug mode

[03-Jun-2011 11:50:16] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: the dude here already delete the process got wait until next time it pops up I guess

[03-Jun-2011 11:50:18] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: you do have rsyslog configured to spoof the event origins?

[03-Jun-2011 11:50:26] <rmatte> If not, they'll all look like they are coming from localhost

[03-Jun-2011 11:50:45] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: no, just remodel the device right now to pick it up again

[03-Jun-2011 11:50:49] <JohnnyNoc> no i don't, but even then, i only see the localhost ones not the events from other hosts

[03-Jun-2011 11:51:12] <JohnnyNoc> i'll start there however

[03-Jun-2011 11:55:06] <rmatte> hmmm, dec3pti0n is right, Zenoss 3.x doesn't allow you to change the monitoring status of an OS Process locally on a device.

[03-Jun-2011 11:55:09] <rmatte> which is just dumb

[03-Jun-2011 11:55:25] <Hackman238> rmatte: it doesnt?

[03-Jun-2011 11:55:30] <rmatte> I'm blown away that stupid bugs like that are still laying around

[03-Jun-2011 11:55:36] <rmatte> Hackman238: it doesn't, the option is greyed out

[03-Jun-2011 11:55:54] <rmatte> Massive fail in QA

[03-Jun-2011 11:55:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: Hum.

[03-Jun-2011 11:55:59] <Hackman238> rmatte: Indeed

[03-Jun-2011 11:56:18] <rmatte> you can however lock processes, which does a heck of a lot of good when you can't unmonitor them

[03-Jun-2011 11:56:19] <rmatte>

[03-Jun-2011 11:58:02] <dhopp> rmatte: I seem to be able to

[03-Jun-2011 11:58:17] <rmatte> dhopp: services or processes?

[03-Jun-2011 11:58:48] <dhopp> oh heh..I was looking at services

[03-Jun-2011 11:58:54] <rmatte>

[03-Jun-2011 11:58:56] <rmatte> lol

[03-Jun-2011 11:59:10] <rmatte> yeh, it works for interfaces, services, filesystems, and a couple of others

[03-Jun-2011 11:59:14] <rmatte> but not for os processes

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[03-Jun-2011 12:00:24] <rmatte> Hackman238: I remember the same issue for the rest of them back in the day

[03-Jun-2011 12:00:36] <rmatte> but I assumed that they had fixed it for everything

[03-Jun-2011 12:01:05] <Hackman238> Unrelated note, I had to set my innodb pool to 64GB before I could migrate to relstorage successfully on a large instance (8mil objects)

[03-Jun-2011 12:01:11] <Hackman238> rmatte: you would think

[03-Jun-2011 12:01:20] <rmatte> 64gb, that's ridiculous

[03-Jun-2011 12:01:45] <Hackman238> rmatte: Aye.

[03-Jun-2011 12:01:58] <Hackman238> rmatte: Just for the migration process.

[03-Jun-2011 12:02:16] <Hackman238> rmatte: The Data.fs I started with was almost 20GB packed.

[03-Jun-2011 12:02:17] <rmatte> can you not drop it back down after the migration though?

[03-Jun-2011 12:02:31] <Hackman238> rmatte: Just finished, so I'm going to try

[03-Jun-2011 12:02:46] <rmatte> I'd imagine that it doesn't need to be as high for normal operation

[03-Jun-2011 12:02:53] <rmatte> migrations are always intensive

[03-Jun-2011 12:03:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah, the migration doesnt chuck the ops is the problem

[03-Jun-2011 12:03:40] <dhopp> Hackman238: are you doing this relstorage migration on enterprise or core?

[03-Jun-2011 12:03:40] <Hackman238> rmatte: should be fine with a reasonable 3GB value

[03-Jun-2011 12:03:50] <rmatte> The icon next to the URL in 3.x is the zope icon, not a Zenoss icon lol

[03-Jun-2011 12:03:58] <Hackman238> dhopp: This was a test for core. I've had similar results with ent testing Avalon

[03-Jun-2011 12:04:30] <jmp242> rmatte: process monitoring issue

[03-Jun-2011 12:04:31] <jmp242> try

[03-Jun-2011 12:04:32] <jmp242> zenpatch 25791

[03-Jun-2011 12:04:44] <rmatte> jmp242: k

[03-Jun-2011 12:05:22] <rmatte> jmp242: is that a brand new patch?

[03-Jun-2011 12:05:28] <jmp242> pretty new I think

[03-Jun-2011 12:05:29] <rmatte> why didn't it make it in to 3.1?

[03-Jun-2011 12:05:39] <jmp242> I just saw it a day or two on the forums

[03-Jun-2011 12:05:42] <jmp242> ago

[03-Jun-2011 12:05:49] <rmatte> good to know

[03-Jun-2011 12:06:16] <dhopp> ha..

[03-Jun-2011 12:06:17] <dhopp> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7842

[03-Jun-2011 12:06:17] <rmatte> they need to start a recommended patches page for between releases

[03-Jun-2011 12:06:23] <dhopp> it was reported by Jane 3 weeks ago

[03-Jun-2011 12:06:27] <rmatte> ah

[03-Jun-2011 12:06:55] <rmatte> It probably took so long for someone to notice because the majority of production instances are still 2.5 or lower

[03-Jun-2011 12:06:56] <rmatte> lol

[03-Jun-2011 12:07:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL!!!

[03-Jun-2011 12:07:33] <rmatte> All my stuff is still 2.5.2 + a bunch of patches

[03-Jun-2011 12:08:21] <rmatte> the 3.x interface still has quite a ways to go, I find it much more difficult to work with than the 2.5 interface

[03-Jun-2011 12:08:39] <rmatte> especially since when you do something like a remodel, it doesn't refresh the page that you're on when it's done

[03-Jun-2011 12:08:43] <rmatte> so you have to manually do it

[03-Jun-2011 12:08:54] <dhopp> I like the 3.x interface…compared to 2.4 (which is the last version I used before this job)

[03-Jun-2011 12:08:55] <rmatte> it just feels like clicking through a maze

[03-Jun-2011 12:09:04] <akafritz> hi all.  does anyone know if its possible to have specific events move to history after x minutes, instead of the blanket 4 hr threshold?

[03-Jun-2011 12:09:10] <jmp242> Yea, the 3.x interface

[03-Jun-2011 12:09:17] <rmatte> I also find the 3.x interface is cluttered with all of the panels, and there aren't many quick hide buttons

[03-Jun-2011 12:09:18] <jmp242> isn't anywhere as intuiative to me

[03-Jun-2011 12:09:39] <jmp242> I still struggle after months to find stuff that was second nature in 2.x when I started using that

[03-Jun-2011 12:09:45] <rmatte> I mean, I can operate the 3.x interface, I know my way around... but there are still problems with it

[03-Jun-2011 12:09:50] <Hackman238> Dislike 3.x interface also

[03-Jun-2011 12:09:55] <jmp242> I still thought 1.x was simplist - text button lables

[03-Jun-2011 12:09:57] <jmp242> what a concept

[03-Jun-2011 12:09:57] <jmp242> lol

[03-Jun-2011 12:10:04] <rmatte> lol

[03-Jun-2011 12:10:05] <jmp242> no, is that triangle a dropdown?

[03-Jun-2011 12:10:14] <jmp242> or WTF is the gear, and which one does what I want

[03-Jun-2011 12:10:20] <rmatte> meh, the triangle dropdowns weren't bad

[03-Jun-2011 12:10:22] <jmp242> or the upside down candlestick lol

[03-Jun-2011 12:10:27] <rmatte> once you know they were there it was simple

[03-Jun-2011 12:10:30] <rmatte> and they saved space

[03-Jun-2011 12:10:54] <jmp242> It's like the "international signs"

[03-Jun-2011 12:11:00] <rmatte> I think the new Zenoss UI is mostly done with jQuery

[03-Jun-2011 12:11:04] <jmp242> they went from at least one group of people being able to read them

[03-Jun-2011 12:11:05] <rmatte> and jQuery-ui

[03-Jun-2011 12:11:06] <dhopp> jmp242 / rmatte: patch worked

[03-Jun-2011 12:11:12] <rmatte> dhopp: cool

[03-Jun-2011 12:11:18] <jmp242> to everyone wondering what the symbol means

[03-Jun-2011 12:11:45] <dhopp> rmatte: or well it seems to work..heh..I haven't actually unchecked "monitor" but it's at least available

[03-Jun-2011 12:11:48] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: as the zenoss user do: zenpatch 25791

[03-Jun-2011 12:12:01] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: then restart zenoss, and you'll be able to disable monitoring for processes

[03-Jun-2011 12:12:15] <rmatte> dhopp: I'm testing that right now...

[03-Jun-2011 12:13:14] <rmatte> dhopp: yeh, it does in fact set monitored to false

[03-Jun-2011 12:13:18] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: cool what does the 25791 mean ? a patch for 3.0.3 ?

[03-Jun-2011 12:14:14] <rmatte> it's a patch for 3.1 actually

[03-Jun-2011 12:14:20] <rmatte> and if you haven't upgraded to 3.1 yet you should

[03-Jun-2011 12:14:26] <rmatte> 3.1 has tons of bugfixes

[03-Jun-2011 12:14:32] <dec3pti0n> 3.1 is out ? I just upgraded to 3.0.3 I thinik

[03-Jun-2011 12:14:39] <rmatte> 3.1 has been out for ages

[03-Jun-2011 12:15:15] * dec3pti0n is adding that to the todo list for next week

[03-Jun-2011 12:16:02] <dhopp> rmatte: out of curiosity..if somebody using 3.0.3 ran zenpatch 25791, would it blow up?  or would the command fail with an error about versions?

[03-Jun-2011 12:17:05] <Hackman238> dhopp: Depends on what the patch patches. You could try it on a dev box

[03-Jun-2011 12:24:37] <dhopp> Hackman238: I have 3.1.0 right now..just wondering if zenpatch had some intelligence to say "this patch doesn't go with this version"

[03-Jun-2011 12:25:37] <Hackman238> dhopp: Hum. I dont think so other than if the file doesnt match for patch to work.

[03-Jun-2011 12:26:02] <Hackman238> dhopp: A patch could work and not break the patched file but instead break something releated elsewhere is my point.

[03-Jun-2011 12:26:13] <dhopp> Hackman238: right

[03-Jun-2011 12:26:22] <dhopp> Hackman238: hence why I was curious

[03-Jun-2011 12:26:49] <Hackman238> dhopp: Best be is to always test

[03-Jun-2011 12:26:59] <dhopp> Hackman238: of course!

[03-Jun-2011 12:27:16] <dhopp> Hackman238: but wasn't it you that said to live dangerously ;-)

[03-Jun-2011 12:27:21] <Hackman238> "I dont always test my code, but when I do, I do it in production!" J/K

[03-Jun-2011 12:27:30] <Hackman238> dhopp: Aye it was.

[03-Jun-2011 12:28:22] <dhopp> Hackman238: the sad thing is I have worked with developers that didn't get the testing phase…wanted to go straight from dev enviornment (which is nothing like production) straight to production without hitting a test environment that is more controlled and more closely like production

[03-Jun-2011 12:29:11] <Hackman238> dhopp: Never good unless the product is completely not critical.

[03-Jun-2011 12:29:26] <Hackman238> dhopp: Even still makes debugging tough

[03-Jun-2011 12:31:14] <dhopp> Hackman238: you've used open stack right?

[03-Jun-2011 12:33:53] <Hackman238> dhopp: I have.

[03-Jun-2011 12:34:07] <rmatte> dhopp: It'll look at the code that it's patching and if it doesn't match it won't apply the patch

[03-Jun-2011 12:34:07] <dhopp> Hackman238:  thoughts?  yay or nay?

[03-Jun-2011 12:35:20] <Hackman238> dhopp: If OpenStack was an asteroid and earth was your massive datacenter- the resulting explosion is the win OpenStack is.

[03-Jun-2011 12:35:39] <rmatte> lol

[03-Jun-2011 12:35:57] <rmatte> Which is his convoluted way of saying that it's good

[03-Jun-2011 12:35:58] <rmatte>

[03-Jun-2011 12:36:08] <dhopp> lol

[03-Jun-2011 12:36:12] <Hackman238> :-)

[03-Jun-2011 12:36:23] <dhopp> hrm…I think I found a bug in 3.1 and chrome

[03-Jun-2011 12:36:44] <rmatte> dhopp: notice my complete lack of gasp at that statement

[03-Jun-2011 12:36:50] <dhopp> commands don't seem to work…go to a device->commands-> select a command no pop up window

[03-Jun-2011 12:36:51] <rmatte> bugs in 3.x? noooo

[03-Jun-2011 12:36:56] <rmatte> </sarcasm>

[03-Jun-2011 12:36:59] <Hackman238> yeah I was just typing what a suprise

[03-Jun-2011 12:36:59] <dhopp> lol

[03-Jun-2011 12:37:06] <Hackman238> LOL

[03-Jun-2011 12:39:56] <rmatte> 2 reports down, 5 to go

[03-Jun-2011 12:43:48] <dhopp> rmatte: MUSH

[03-Jun-2011 12:44:03] <eric1> hello

[03-Jun-2011 12:44:18] <rmatte> dhopp: I refuse

[03-Jun-2011 12:44:27] <rmatte> eric1: hallo

[03-Jun-2011 12:44:30] <dhopp> what's eric1

[03-Jun-2011 12:44:33] <dhopp> what's up

[03-Jun-2011 12:44:50] * dhopp brain stuck in 1st gear

[03-Jun-2011 12:45:49] <eric1> hello guys - hope someone can help - have i hope a simple question - i have two seperate devices being graphed and polled for data by snmp, all working - what I'd like to do is be able to show on the graph where device 2 is - is data from device 1 overlaid

[03-Jun-2011 12:46:35] <eric1> so its an easy compare between the two devices

[03-Jun-2011 12:46:37] <dhopp> eric1: look at custom graph report

[03-Jun-2011 12:46:45] <rmatte> mattray: good day

[03-Jun-2011 12:47:57] <eric1> just looking.

[03-Jun-2011 12:51:07] <eric1> that looks exactly what i'm after - is there a simple way to show both data sources on the same graph ?

[03-Jun-2011 12:51:40] <mattray> rmatte: good afternoon

[03-Jun-2011 12:51:58] <rmatte> eric1: that's what the custom graph report does

[03-Jun-2011 12:52:43] <dhopp> rmatte: I think he wants something like device1/cpu and device2/cpu on the same graph..not one graph under the other

[03-Jun-2011 12:52:50] <eric1> ive got the two lots of data on the same screen on two different graphs - i'm wanting the see the two lines on the same graph

[03-Jun-2011 12:53:20] <eric1> dhopp: yes - exactly - you've got it

[03-Jun-2011 12:54:20] <rmatte> that's what custom multi-graph reports are for

[03-Jun-2011 12:54:51] <rmatte> (different than standard custom graph reports)

[03-Jun-2011 12:55:12] <eric1> i'll go look - never played with this area before.

[03-Jun-2011 13:29:25] <rmatte> man, I really wish Zenoss would actually verify index values vs names every polling cycle

[03-Jun-2011 13:29:31] <rmatte> it wouldn't be that expensive to do performancewise

[03-Jun-2011 13:34:57] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte figured out my problem

[03-Jun-2011 13:35:07] <JohnnyNoc> i still have to setup the spoofing, but transforms were dropping my events

[03-Jun-2011 13:35:10] <JohnnyNoc> figures

[03-Jun-2011 13:35:38] <rmatte> ah

[03-Jun-2011 13:39:06] <JohnnyNoc> looks like the version of rsyslog that comes with centos 5.5 doesn't support spoofing though - i've got 3.2 and it looks like omudpspoof wasn't available until 5.1.3

[03-Jun-2011 13:39:06] <JohnnyNoc> joy

[03-Jun-2011 13:41:01] <rmatte> part of the reason why I use syslog-ng, it's supported spoofing for a long time

[03-Jun-2011 13:41:29] <rmatte> though it needs to be compiled in and the packages for most distros don't have it compiled in

[03-Jun-2011 13:41:35] <rmatte> but it's easy enough to just compile it in yourself

[03-Jun-2011 14:23:53] <gwb235> we had network flaps for the subnet the zenoss device was on (gateway disappearing) causing 100s of events to be generated (and tons of email).

[03-Jun-2011 14:23:59] <gwb235> I turned off zenactions to stop the email flood

[03-Jun-2011 14:24:22] <gwb235> if I turn it back on, whill it send out emails about events that were "queued" while zenactions was stopped?

[03-Jun-2011 14:24:31] <gwb235> and if so, is there a way to delete these queued messages?

[03-Jun-2011 14:27:55] <rmatte> gwb235: no, it won't, it reads directly from the event queue via a Zenoss function

[03-Jun-2011 14:28:03] <rmatte> it doesn't queue anything

[03-Jun-2011 14:28:16] <gwb235> so if everything is now green it won't send out messages when i restart it?

[03-Jun-2011 14:28:19] <gwb235> that would be great

[03-Jun-2011 14:28:23] <rmatte> correct

[03-Jun-2011 14:28:28] <gwb235> thanks rmatte!

[03-Jun-2011 14:29:05] <rmatte> np

[03-Jun-2011 14:33:22] <mistich> hello all

[03-Jun-2011 14:33:39] <Hackman238> Hello!

[03-Jun-2011 14:34:01] <mistich> ok got a question    evt._action="history" in a transform to history what command moves it back to the event window

[03-Jun-2011 14:39:18] <jmp242> evt._action="status"\

[03-Jun-2011 14:39:22] <jmp242> err no \

[03-Jun-2011 14:39:56] <Hackman238> jmp242: status seemed to work

[03-Jun-2011 14:40:48] <jmp242> there's also this thing in the Event Console

[03-Jun-2011 14:40:56] <jmp242> that's a circly X with a little x

[03-Jun-2011 14:41:03] <jmp242> when you're in history

[03-Jun-2011 14:41:06] <jmp242> though when I try it I get

[03-Jun-2011 14:41:08] <jmp242> OperationalError (1136, "Column count doesn't match value count at row 1")

[03-Jun-2011 14:41:11] <jmp242> so . . .

[03-Jun-2011 14:41:24] <mistich> thanks

[03-Jun-2011 14:42:01] <jmp242> there's a faq entry on this

[03-Jun-2011 14:42:16] <jmp242> for all the values zenoss has described to the community anyway

[03-Jun-2011 14:46:47] * dhopp has an urge to punch something

[03-Jun-2011 14:48:13] <JohnnyNoc> have you seen this?

[03-Jun-2011 14:48:14] <JohnnyNoc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQKAydHA4J4

[03-Jun-2011 14:49:19] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: WTF?

[03-Jun-2011 14:49:21] <Hackman238> LOL

[03-Jun-2011 14:49:43] <JohnnyNoc> i think it was at the end of the Onion movie

[03-Jun-2011 14:49:58] <JohnnyNoc> i was going to suggest he go around punching cocks but had he not seen that he may not have found it humourois

[03-Jun-2011 14:50:00] <JohnnyNoc> humourous

[03-Jun-2011 14:50:00] <JohnnyNoc>

[03-Jun-2011 14:50:19] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: LOL Thats a win

[03-Jun-2011 14:50:22] <rmatte> haha, that's so well done

[03-Jun-2011 14:59:00] <gwb235> rmatte: zenoss sends out CLEAR events when restarting zenactions

[03-Jun-2011 15:03:02] <dhopp> JohnnyNoc: good call on sending that link first…I would have been EXTREMELY confused

[03-Jun-2011 15:05:29] <JohnnyNoc>

[03-Jun-2011 15:05:31] <JohnnyNoc> i'm glad you found it funny

[03-Jun-2011 15:05:59] <dhopp> heh…it's just one of them days…nothing going as planned

[03-Jun-2011 15:07:35] <JohnnyNoc> thats how i felt about this syslog stuff, but i'm glad i got it sorted out

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[03-Jun-2011 15:50:28] <Sam-I-Am> awesome, the axe just swung here

[03-Jun-2011 15:52:37] <JohnnyNoc> missed you?

[03-Jun-2011 15:55:23] <Sam-I-Am> no

[03-Jun-2011 15:55:30] <Sam-I-Am> but i got knicked pretty well

[03-Jun-2011 15:55:50] <Sam-I-Am> barely enough to get by on

[03-Jun-2011 15:56:23] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: non fatal?

[03-Jun-2011 15:56:45] <Sam-I-Am> enough that i'll afford rent and food

[03-Jun-2011 15:56:51] <Sam-I-Am> beyond that im screwed

[03-Jun-2011 15:57:18] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: yikes. company going under?

[03-Jun-2011 15:57:37] <Sam-I-Am> biggest customer took a budget hit (big one) and so its tricking down

[03-Jun-2011 15:57:41] <Sam-I-Am> laying off about 1/2 the staff

[03-Jun-2011 15:57:47] <Sam-I-Am> the rest of us are taking cuts

[03-Jun-2011 15:57:54] <Sam-I-Am> and even that maybe not be the end of it

[03-Jun-2011 15:58:02] <Sam-I-Am> i sensed this was coming, it was just a matter of when

[03-Jun-2011 15:58:25] <Sam-I-Am> hence why i kinda got the job search thing going about a month ago

[03-Jun-2011 15:58:31] <Sam-I-Am> been there, done that

[03-Jun-2011 15:58:35] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Yeah

[03-Jun-2011 15:58:35] <Sam-I-Am> last job was a layoff

[03-Jun-2011 15:58:48] <Sam-I-Am> this time i was hoping to catch it early

[03-Jun-2011 16:06:08] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Yeah, I'll let you know what mgt says here

[03-Jun-2011 16:09:39] <dhopp> Hackman238: can I do concatenation on tales expressions?  For example if I created a "Subnet" (and set it to 10.10.10.) and "FirstSite" (set it to 131) schema..could I do something like ${here/cSubnet}${here/cFirstSite} to make that be 10.10.10.131

[03-Jun-2011 16:10:52] <Hackman238> dhopp: Should be able to

[03-Jun-2011 16:11:00] <dhopp> Hackman238: sweet

[03-Jun-2011 16:11:17] <dhopp> figured I would ask just to make the answer wasn't "yes, BUT...."

[03-Jun-2011 16:11:27] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: coo

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[03-Jun-2011 16:56:43] <Hackman238> have to run!

[03-Jun-2011 16:57:30] <Sam-I-Am> dont run too fast.  its hot.

[03-Jun-2011 19:44:35] <locohost> how do you guys handle alert throtteling?

[03-Jun-2011 19:45:50] <locohost> would be really nice to send an email every 30 seconds or something containing all the alerts in that 30 second period, could do that at an mta with an intermediary alert email addy

[03-Jun-2011 19:48:28] <hmp> locohost: you could use event commands to fill and mysql/sqlit/pgsql db with events and have a daemon or a cron job pick up the events, send them in an email and delete em all

[03-Jun-2011 19:48:41] <hmp> fill a*

[03-Jun-2011 19:48:55] <hmp> delete em all from the db*

[03-Jun-2011 19:49:23] <hmp> locohost: i have a somewhat similar thing going on with a trouble ticketing system

[03-Jun-2011 19:50:20] <hmp> also, try to avoid sqlite since the locking sucks

[03-Jun-2011 20:07:02] <locohost> yeah, thats not a bad idea hmp

[03-Jun-2011 20:08:09] <locohost> in 2.0 i made a little html page for someone else that pulled from the events table and played the event through festival

[03-Jun-2011 20:08:13] <locohost> in a flash window

[03-Jun-2011 20:08:56] <locohost> ill probably do that, have it loop 2x with a sleep so it runs every 30 seconds

[03-Jun-2011 20:09:20] <locohost> yeah, i dont use sqllite, mysql

[03-Jun-2011 20:10:09] <locohost> 5.0.77

[03-Jun-2011 20:12:58] <locohost> i think what I will do is this, write a script in...probably ruby that reads the events table alerts 2x a minute, checks to see if the active events are different then the last poll, and if so, send a summary events email to my alert distro

[03-Jun-2011 20:14:21] <locohost> i can even flag the severity field and order by that and device and send escalated severity alerts to a different distro

[03-Jun-2011 20:15:14] <locohost> i wonder if there is a way to do something similar with more complicated built in alerting rules

[03-Jun-2011 20:17:28] <locohost> i recall someone saying something about the built in alerting rules having the ability to use the number of acitive events as a variable somehow

[03-Jun-2011 20:17:43] <locohost> well, il have to go im ganna look into it later, thanks hmp, greek fest is going on down the street

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[04-Jun-2011 19:35:14] <Hamzah> Hmmm does a zenoss collector need much RAM?

[04-Jun-2011 19:36:31] <Hamzah> my "main" zenoss box eats a lot of RAM, and I wanted to setup a collector box elsewhere, but I have limited RAM

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[05-Jun-2011 00:02:41] <Sam-I-Am> Hamzah: not reall... the hubs needs the most

[05-Jun-2011 00:48:47] <locohost> 2011-06-05 00:46:43,346 DEBUG zen.RRDUtil: /opt/zenoss/perf/Devices/10.10.10.6/os/interfaces/Vl136/ifOutUcastPackets_ifOutUcastPackets.rrd: 1847819329L

[05-Jun-2011 00:48:55] <locohost> is it normal to have the L in there at the end like that?

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[05-Jun-2011 06:10:27] <froztbyte> locohost: yes, it's a python thing

[05-Jun-2011 06:10:51] <froztbyte> locohost: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/2009-March/067629.html

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[05-Jun-2011 12:14:45] <locohost> thanks froztbyte

[05-Jun-2011 14:21:21] <pils_> I'm seeing "test failed 421 'too many connections'" w/ my install... any tips on how to mitigate?

[05-Jun-2011 14:40:05] <pils_> not really sure where to go at this point

[05-Jun-2011 14:40:47] <pils_> Test failed: - (421, 'too many connections')

[05-Jun-2011 14:42:12] <Simon4> pils_: where are you seeing this?

[05-Jun-2011 14:42:53] <pils_> when trying to send a test email on the user/alert screen

[05-Jun-2011 14:43:10] <pils_> it's presistent after a reboot

[05-Jun-2011 14:43:17] <Simon4> okay, so 421 sounds like the code coming back from the smtp server zenoss is talking to

[05-Jun-2011 14:44:31] <pils_> got ya

[05-Jun-2011 14:44:33] <pils_> thanks

[05-Jun-2011 14:44:36] <pils_> let me check it out

[05-Jun-2011 14:56:12] <pils_> thanks again Simon4, that was it

[05-Jun-2011 20:20:44] <locohost> yeah, thats a smtp error code, it sounds like zenoss is properly recording that it is getting a smtp error from the server its polling

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[06-Jun-2011 05:43:34] <Me-S> some have document for BIND DNS monitoring ? , I have some object to minotor but in google search can't find that

[06-Jun-2011 05:43:58] <Me-S> like Requests with TSIG Received.

[06-Jun-2011 05:44:01] <Me-S> or

[06-Jun-2011 05:44:10] <Me-S> Recursive Queries Rejected

[06-Jun-2011 06:57:01] <Jane_Curry> Mornin...

[06-Jun-2011 06:57:37] <Jane_Curry> Has anyone there created new menu items for the "gear" Action menus in Zenoss 3 UI?????

[06-Jun-2011 08:01:10] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: I have depending on which gear menu you mean

[06-Jun-2011 08:01:56] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: If you mean the gear menu in the lower left of a device status screen, yes. There's an example of it in my new ZenPack.

[06-Jun-2011 08:05:42] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away

[06-Jun-2011 08:06:01] <Jane_Curry> could you sen me a pointer to your ZenPack??

[06-Jun-2011 08:06:30] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: http://shanewilliamscott.com/public/ZenPacks.ShaneScott.ipSLA-3.0-py2.6.egg

[06-Jun-2011 08:06:37] <Jane_Curry> I am trying to update the mib_utils ZenPack for V3 and add an extra menu to the action icon for a MIB Browser

[06-Jun-2011 08:07:00] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Its been my experience that not all the gear menus work the way one would expect

[06-Jun-2011 08:07:33] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: I cant figure out the 'Add' menu for the life of me- no matter what I hack in to place I cant seem to get anything in that menu ( + sign menu)

[06-Jun-2011 08:07:51] <Jane_Curry> Hmmm - me too - and I really don't know what I am doing in there, given all the wealth of documentation and examples 

[06-Jun-2011 08:08:30] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Zenoss needs to release this information- I'm planning on putting an enterprise ticket in so they get it to me

[06-Jun-2011 08:09:34] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Let me know if its any help or if you make any discoveries.

[06-Jun-2011 08:12:09] <Jane_Curry> Sounds like you aren't getting any extra help as an Enterprise customer then us Core folk do??

[06-Jun-2011 08:13:04] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Zenoss is very helpful about getting big problems fixed.

[06-Jun-2011 08:13:30] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: I ahvent tried leveraging them for development information yet- going to give it a whirl :-)

[06-Jun-2011 08:17:06] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Eric(rocket) is particularly helpful- a true grand master of zope magery.

[06-Jun-2011 08:20:49] <Jane_Curry> yeh - there are some super folk there but one gets the impression that they are all VERY busy..

[06-Jun-2011 08:20:58] <Jane_Curry> .. especially as a Core user

[06-Jun-2011 08:21:32] <Jane_Curry> Good to hear that they are good at delivering service for big problems - that's REALLY what folk pay for, I guess

[06-Jun-2011 08:21:38] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: They tell me they are, but I have no way to validate it. To be honest, everyone I've worked with over at Zenoss seems very sincere about being hosed for time.

[06-Jun-2011 08:22:14] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: If I cann and say we have a fire I can't fix, they're generally on it pretty quick.

[06-Jun-2011 08:22:18] <Hackman238> *call

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[06-Jun-2011 09:20:59] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg

[06-Jun-2011 09:22:44] <forsberg> oi, anyone tried to upgrade a zenoss 2.5.x 32 bit to 3.x 64bit ?

[06-Jun-2011 09:23:03] <Sam-I-Am> moo.

[06-Jun-2011 09:23:13] <Sam-I-Am> nope.  i blew my 32-bit crap away and started over.

[06-Jun-2011 09:23:42] <rmatte> forsberg: you'd probably have to export everything in the MySQL database and possibly the zope database, then push it back in.

[06-Jun-2011 09:23:57] <Sam-I-Am> but i'm sure you can do it

[06-Jun-2011 09:23:58] <forsberg> okaj, you think its possible ?

[06-Jun-2011 09:24:05] <forsberg> i dont care about the mysql

[06-Jun-2011 09:24:06] <forsberg> events

[06-Jun-2011 09:24:56] <forsberg> so i would do it like.... install a new one with same zenpacks and try use the backup/restore feature?

[06-Jun-2011 09:25:17] <Hackman238> forsberg: Didnt we get you running on 64-bit 2.5?

[06-Jun-2011 09:25:35] <forsberg> no, its 32bit

[06-Jun-2011 09:26:14] <forsberg> and i have annoying errors with 64ethernetcard templates and what not, and i wanna upgrade

[06-Jun-2011 09:26:14] <forsberg> get 3.x

[06-Jun-2011 09:26:28] <forsberg> but not sure what the best path would be

[06-Jun-2011 09:26:29] <Hackman238> forsberg: are you f00fSteR or some one else?

[06-Jun-2011 09:26:57] <forsberg> no

[06-Jun-2011 09:26:58] <forsberg> only me

[06-Jun-2011 09:27:06] <forsberg> on freenode, forsberg

[06-Jun-2011 09:27:13] <rmatte> forsberg: upgrading to 64bit isn't going to fix your ethernetCsmacd_64 template

[06-Jun-2011 09:27:29] <rmatte> they are just 64bit counters, meaning they support larger numbers

[06-Jun-2011 09:27:30] <forsberg> no but i had the impression that 3.x was

[06-Jun-2011 09:27:31] <forsberg> passed this ?

[06-Jun-2011 09:27:36] <rmatte> 32bit systems are perfectly capable of processing them

[06-Jun-2011 09:27:48] <forsberg> where i have to copy templates and rename

[06-Jun-2011 09:27:51] <rmatte> forsberg: what errors are you seeing?

[06-Jun-2011 09:27:52] <forsberg> and regex ignore null0 devices and what not

[06-Jun-2011 09:27:58] <forsberg> only error graphs

[06-Jun-2011 09:27:59] <Hackman238> forsberg: can you explain the errors?

[06-Jun-2011 09:28:11] <Sam-I-Am> i did 64-bit counters fine on a 32-bit platform

[06-Jun-2011 09:28:17] <forsberg> yes

[06-Jun-2011 09:28:23] <rmatte> so you're only seeing error graphs, no traffic graphs, is what you're saying?

[06-Jun-2011 09:28:42] <rmatte> make sure you're monitoring the devices with SNMP v2

[06-Jun-2011 09:28:47] <forsberg> i know that has nothing to do with each other, i just thought that best scenario would be to run newest zenoss on 64bit

[06-Jun-2011 09:28:50] <forsberg> compared to 2.5.2 on 32bit

[06-Jun-2011 09:28:51] <rmatte> If you're using v1 the 64bit counters won't be exposed

[06-Jun-2011 09:28:59] <forsberg> yes

[06-Jun-2011 09:29:18] <rmatte> I'm running 2.5.2 on a 32bit system and I don't have those problems

[06-Jun-2011 09:29:29] <rmatte> I'd recommend that you simple figure out what the actual cause of the issue is

[06-Jun-2011 09:29:33] <rmatte> simply*

[06-Jun-2011 09:29:39] <forsberg> i figured that out 1 hour ago, and the last error i have in that specific area, was some error reading Null0 interfaces on cisco switched

[06-Jun-2011 09:29:46] <forsberg> so i ignore regex Null blah blah now

[06-Jun-2011 09:30:13] <rmatte> some interface types don't support all of the OIDs

[06-Jun-2011 09:30:21] <forsberg> but in general there is alot of annoying issues with 2.5.2

[06-Jun-2011 09:30:38] <rmatte> for instance, virtual interfaces such as loopback, null, and virtual sub interfaces don't provide error stats at all

[06-Jun-2011 09:30:46] <rmatte> since error stats are only relevant on physical interfaces

[06-Jun-2011 09:30:56] <forsberg> we have a few left anyways, like having to restart zenoss for some changes on devices to go through

[06-Jun-2011 09:30:58] <forsberg> ok

[06-Jun-2011 09:31:32] <rmatte> Well, when I adjust process monitoring configuration on a device I always restart zenprocess after

[06-Jun-2011 09:31:41] <rmatte> since it doesn't pick up the config right away unless you do

[06-Jun-2011 09:31:49] <rmatte> and nothing appears to have changed regarding that in 3.x

[06-Jun-2011 09:31:52] <forsberg> ok

[06-Jun-2011 09:31:55] <forsberg> okok

[06-Jun-2011 09:31:57] <forsberg> you still run 2.5.2?

[06-Jun-2011 09:32:34] <Hackman238> forsberg: I run 2.5.2 at most of my clients

[06-Jun-2011 09:32:40] <forsberg> k

[06-Jun-2011 09:32:48] <Hackman238> forsberg: Even large customers like Rackspace use 2.5.2

[06-Jun-2011 09:33:08] <Sam-I-Am> i run 2.5.2

[06-Jun-2011 09:33:22] <Sam-I-Am> as per rmatte's suggestions back last summer/fall and my experience with what was 3.0.0

[06-Jun-2011 09:33:24] <rmatte> I run 2.5.2 along with a bunch of patches applied to it

[06-Jun-2011 09:33:36] <Sam-I-Am> actually, i run 2.5.2rmatte0

[06-Jun-2011 09:33:49] <Sam-I-Am> and it Magically Works

[06-Jun-2011 09:33:52] * Sam-I-Am owes someone some beer

[06-Jun-2011 09:34:01] <rmatte> lol

[06-Jun-2011 09:34:06] <rmatte> the patches I use in 2.5.2 are...

[06-Jun-2011 09:34:07] <rmatte> Fix zeodb churn: zenpatch 18589 && zenpatch 18908 && zenpatch 18890 && zenpatch 18941

[06-Jun-2011 09:34:07] <rmatte> Fix sawtooth zenprocess graph: zenpatch 19577

[06-Jun-2011 09:34:15] <forsberg> actually, the single biggest problem we have, is that ......... we get much to many false alarms on several voip servers, the false alarms is process not running asterisk blah blah, but we have never ever been able to catch one of theese issues, when the NOC guy gets out of bed and infront of the computer, asterisk is running and have been running for weeks

[06-Jun-2011 09:35:00] <forsberg> now there is no doubt that the process was never not running, it must be a matter of the list that zenoss looks through or watever is not complete

[06-Jun-2011 09:35:16] <rmatte> forsberg: maybe you didn't enable the option on the process to ignore parameters?

[06-Jun-2011 09:35:24] <rmatte> so it sees 1 of many processes dissapear and it freaks

[06-Jun-2011 09:35:37] <rmatte> disappear*

[06-Jun-2011 09:35:42] <Hackman238> forsberg: What are you testing on your voip boxes?

[06-Jun-2011 09:35:52] <forsberg> not testing anything

[06-Jun-2011 09:36:03] <forsberg> they run production

[06-Jun-2011 09:36:54] <forsberg> Name     asterisk     Monitor     True

[06-Jun-2011 09:36:57] <forsberg> Regex     ^/usr/sbin/asterisk     Ignore Parameters     True

[06-Jun-2011 09:36:58] <forsberg> ups

[06-Jun-2011 09:36:58] <forsberg> ignore parameters is true

[06-Jun-2011 09:37:58] <forsberg> we did otherstuff to check if asterisk dies, it never does

[06-Jun-2011 09:38:08] <forsberg> people have conversations etc when we get the false alarm

[06-Jun-2011 09:38:28] <rmatte> perhaps you should add something to the alerting rule to only alert on a count of 2 or 3?

[06-Jun-2011 09:38:47] <rmatte> that is strange though since I monitor tons of processes on my Linux servers and never get false positives

[06-Jun-2011 09:38:47] <forsberg> i guess zenoss, looks through the list it gets over snmp, and the only reason it can conclude that it is not running is because it didnt find it on the list

[06-Jun-2011 09:38:53] <forsberg> well count 3

[06-Jun-2011 09:39:10] <forsberg> would be telecom server out for 15 minutes

[06-Jun-2011 09:39:11] <forsberg> thats to long

[06-Jun-2011 09:39:17] <forsberg> i dont either on 250 devices

[06-Jun-2011 09:39:18] <forsberg> but

[06-Jun-2011 09:39:19] <rmatte> yeh, perhaps the SNMP agent on the Asterisk server is getting hung up and not delivering the full list or something

[06-Jun-2011 09:39:42] <rmatte> You should try monitoring the processes on it via SSH instead

[06-Jun-2011 09:39:56] <forsberg> yeah, have to try walk it on timer and look thought the reuslts

[06-Jun-2011 09:40:01] <forsberg> ahh

[06-Jun-2011 09:40:01] <forsberg> yes that might be

[06-Jun-2011 09:40:21] <rmatte> I've heard bad things about monitoring asterisk servers via SNMP

[06-Jun-2011 09:40:27] <forsberg> yes

[06-Jun-2011 09:40:41] <forsberg> i heard bad things about asterisk.

[06-Jun-2011 09:40:41] <forsberg> ;>

[06-Jun-2011 09:40:48] <rmatte> hehe

[06-Jun-2011 09:48:21] <dhopp> ugh…Why are weekends so short?

[06-Jun-2011 09:49:34] <Sam-I-Am> heh

[06-Jun-2011 10:04:46] <forsberg> any quick commandline way to remodel all devices in a class?

[06-Jun-2011 10:05:03] <JohnnyNoc> zenmodeler run --path=/Devices/Server/Linux -v 10

[06-Jun-2011 10:05:10] <forsberg> thanks

[06-Jun-2011 10:05:20] <dhopp> Don't think it gets any quicker than that :-P

[06-Jun-2011 10:05:24] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Rocket fingers man!

[06-Jun-2011 10:05:29] <JohnnyNoc> hehe

[06-Jun-2011 10:05:32] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: I was just 3/4 way done typing

[06-Jun-2011 10:05:43] <dhopp> Hackman238: you really need an upgrade

[06-Jun-2011 10:05:49] <JohnnyNoc> sorry man, not trying to steal your thunder

[06-Jun-2011 10:05:50] <JohnnyNoc> :P"

[06-Jun-2011 10:06:15] <Hackman238> Nein nein, its always good to have others in here to help

[06-Jun-2011 10:06:15] <St3v3o> morning

[06-Jun-2011 10:06:22] <Hackman238> 'ello

[06-Jun-2011 10:06:25] <Sam-I-Am> yo

[06-Jun-2011 10:06:49] <St3v3o> does anyone use the MSSQL ODBC zenpack ?

[06-Jun-2011 10:06:59] <dhopp> I'm in a coding dilema….do I just get this code done…or do it right..

[06-Jun-2011 10:07:08] <Hackman238> St3v3o: Nein, sorry.

[06-Jun-2011 10:07:12] <dhopp> St3v3o:  I have it in testing

[06-Jun-2011 10:07:17] <dhopp> St3v3o:  what's up?

[06-Jun-2011 10:07:18] <Hackman238> dhopp: Strike a balance.

[06-Jun-2011 10:07:25] <St3v3o> having issues with getting it working

[06-Jun-2011 10:07:34] <dhopp> Hackman238: well to do it right I really should develop new classes and methods...

[06-Jun-2011 10:07:47] <St3v3o> when I model the device it lists all the DBs associated with the instance…but it wont pull any data

[06-Jun-2011 10:07:48] <dhopp> St3v3o:  any more info would be helpful :-)

[06-Jun-2011 10:07:51] <Hackman238> dhopp: There ya go.

[06-Jun-2011 10:08:18] <St3v3o> I'm using a windows user with Domain Admin rights.

[06-Jun-2011 10:08:19] <dhopp> St3v3o: what version of sql?

[06-Jun-2011 10:08:27] <St3v3o> I'm testing with both 2008 and 2005

[06-Jun-2011 10:08:38] <St3v3o> both are on Windows 2008 R2

[06-Jun-2011 10:08:55] <St3v3o> which I've read doesn't do wmi counters correctly so I'm seeing if this works

[06-Jun-2011 10:08:56] <dhopp> St3v3o:  2005 and above I believe Domain Admins does NOT mean SQL admin..you have to explicitly add the rights

[06-Jun-2011 10:09:09] <dhopp> St3v3o:  what OS do you have Zenoss on?

[06-Jun-2011 10:09:20] <St3v3o> Centos 5.6 x64

[06-Jun-2011 10:09:36] <dhopp> St3v3o:  how did you install freetds and unixodbc/

[06-Jun-2011 10:09:37] <dhopp> ?

[06-Jun-2011 10:09:39] <St3v3o> yes

[06-Jun-2011 10:09:43] <dhopp> how?

[06-Jun-2011 10:09:44] <dhopp> yum ?

[06-Jun-2011 10:09:47] <dhopp> or compile?

[06-Jun-2011 10:09:48] <St3v3o> yum

[06-Jun-2011 10:10:04] <dhopp> the freetds that comes with yum I believe has a bug that doesn't work well with 2005...

[06-Jun-2011 10:10:12] <dhopp> you need to compile

[06-Jun-2011 10:10:33] <dhopp> but before you do that, lets verify

[06-Jun-2011 10:10:38] <St3v3o> and I've installed pyodbc both via yum and under the zenoss user using easy install

[06-Jun-2011 10:10:52] <dhopp> ok..you still need a working freetds driver...

[06-Jun-2011 10:10:58] <dhopp> one sec

[06-Jun-2011 10:11:14] <St3v3o> do you happen to know the syntax to test via command line iwth isql

[06-Jun-2011 10:11:19] <St3v3o> …I can't seem to get that to work

[06-Jun-2011 10:12:06] <St3v3o> dhopp would you mind sharing your /etc/odbcinst.ini

[06-Jun-2011 10:12:34] <St3v3o> I have the following

[06-Jun-2011 10:12:35] <St3v3o> http://pastebin.com/N4FHSehB

[06-Jun-2011 10:12:47] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg

[06-Jun-2011 10:13:40] <St3v3o> ok …well some of my 2005 data just appeared ...

[06-Jun-2011 10:14:16] <St3v3o> so freetds driver is working …but 2008 is still crapping the bed

[06-Jun-2011 10:14:49] <dhopp> I have it working on 2008…but I also compiled freetds by hand

[06-Jun-2011 10:14:59] <dhopp> the odbcinst.ini looks ok

[06-Jun-2011 10:15:12] <St3v3o> you on x64 also for zen ?

[06-Jun-2011 10:15:18] <dhopp> yes

[06-Jun-2011 10:15:41] <St3v3o> for the 2008 boxes do you supply an instance in the Zproperties ?

[06-Jun-2011 10:15:52] <St3v3o> my 2005 box I did because is SQLExpress....

[06-Jun-2011 10:16:00] <St3v3o> but not for 2008 ..full blown SQL

[06-Jun-2011 10:16:27] <dhopp> to test using isql it's just isql [DSN from .odbc.ini in zenoss users home dir] username password

[06-Jun-2011 10:16:56] <dhopp> my zproperties are the default that came with the zenpack

[06-Jun-2011 10:17:36] <dhopp> so it models the sql server ok?

[06-Jun-2011 10:17:43] <dhopp> doesn't throw any errors?

[06-Jun-2011 10:17:48] <St3v3o> odd…the 2005 box that is working now…does not show up in the zenoss user .odbc.ini

[06-Jun-2011 10:17:55] <St3v3o> but the 2008 boxes that fial are

[06-Jun-2011 10:18:11] <dhopp> St3v3o:  ok that is weird...

[06-Jun-2011 10:18:29] <St3v3o> VERY

[06-Jun-2011 10:19:42] <St3v3o> well the 2005 box still is tossing one error…looking to see what datapoint it might be

[06-Jun-2011 10:19:55] <dhopp> St3v3o:  what's the error?

[06-Jun-2011 10:20:15] <St3v3o> http://pastebin.com/qdG9fbiG

[06-Jun-2011 10:21:11] <dhopp> "Server is unavailable or does not exist."  can the zenoss box get to the sql server?

[06-Jun-2011 10:21:32] <St3v3o> yeah its pulling stats for DB as we speak on that box

[06-Jun-2011 10:22:09] <St3v3o> what is weird is this i.i.imgur.com/F1how.png

[06-Jun-2011 10:22:23] <St3v3o> under the templates MsSqlSrvInst is listed

[06-Jun-2011 10:22:38] <St3v3o> I was under the impression that it didn't show up there

[06-Jun-2011 10:23:32] <St3v3o> dhopp what version of zen are you on

[06-Jun-2011 10:23:59] <dhopp> St3v3o:  3.1.0…Did you manually bind the template to the device or device class?

[06-Jun-2011 10:24:03] <dhopp> it shouldn't show up there

[06-Jun-2011 10:24:08] <St3v3o> nope

[06-Jun-2011 10:24:23] <St3v3o> I only added the additional modeler plugin

[06-Jun-2011 10:24:34] <St3v3o> hmm…let me blow this device away and readd..

[06-Jun-2011 10:26:07] <St3v3o> oh odd …it bound MsSqlSrvInst to the Windows Device class

[06-Jun-2011 10:26:12] <St3v3o> ….did it do that for yours also ?

[06-Jun-2011 10:26:24] <St3v3o> but I cant' unbind it

[06-Jun-2011 10:27:47] <dhopp> It's listed under there..but it's not bound per-se..it should have a snowflake looking icon right?

[06-Jun-2011 10:27:58] <dhopp> meaning it's a component template

[06-Jun-2011 10:28:22] <St3v3o> yes

[06-Jun-2011 10:28:30] <St3v3o> good description btw

[06-Jun-2011 10:29:57] <St3v3o> ok …removed the deivce( and rrd data) readded the device (with sql 2005) and I see MsSQLSrvInst bound to the device

[06-Jun-2011 10:30:44] <JohnnyNoc> I've got this product instance under the Unknown manufacturer which I want to move over to the correct manufacturer (dell) but zope just takes forever all the time presumably because there are nearly 10k product instances under the unknown manufacturer

[06-Jun-2011 10:31:07] <JohnnyNoc> anyone have a suggestion on how I could move this?  I was hoping I could do this with the zope gui but it's just taking forever to load, i'm not sure it ever will..

[06-Jun-2011 10:31:09] <St3v3o> and before I even add the additional modeler plugin I get a PyDBAPI error

[06-Jun-2011 10:31:36] <dhopp> St3v3o:  you might need to restart zenmodeler

[06-Jun-2011 10:32:11] <St3v3o> sure..I've restarted the entire service a few times…..but I'm willing to test

[06-Jun-2011 10:33:36] <dhopp> Does anything show up in the zenperfsql.log ?

[06-Jun-2011 10:34:27] <St3v3o> let me tail and remodel

[06-Jun-2011 10:36:18] <St3v3o> http://pastebin.com/2iDm3k8K

[06-Jun-2011 10:36:59] <St3v3o> I added the sql instance to the Zproperties…being this is SQL expess…but I don't understand why its trying to look for DB stuff…I havn't bound the modeler plugin yet

[06-Jun-2011 10:37:08] <dhopp> St3v3o:  you are still getting "server unavailable or does not exist"

[06-Jun-2011 10:37:08] <St3v3o> ….maybe I should remove and readd this zenpack

[06-Jun-2011 10:37:35] <St3v3o> yes

[06-Jun-2011 10:38:04] <dhopp> is that for the 2008 server?

[06-Jun-2011 10:38:24] <St3v3o> no this is the 2005 SQL Express server that was working before…but still toss 1 error

[06-Jun-2011 10:38:37] <St3v3o> I'm going to remove and readd the SQL zenpack

[06-Jun-2011 10:38:48] <St3v3o> see if I can get the oddness of it pre binding to go away

[06-Jun-2011 10:39:07] <dhopp> St3v3o:  what version of zenoss?

[06-Jun-2011 10:39:11] <St3v3o> 3.1.0

[06-Jun-2011 10:39:22] <dhopp> was it a fresh install or upgraded?

[06-Jun-2011 10:39:37] <St3v3o> upgraded though the moths from 2.5.2

[06-Jun-2011 10:40:30] <dhopp> St3v3o:  you might want to do this as the zenoss user: zenchkrels -r -x 1

[06-Jun-2011 10:40:39] <St3v3o> waht does that do

[06-Jun-2011 10:40:50] <dhopp> it checks relations and tries to repair them

[06-Jun-2011 10:42:41] <St3v3o> k

[06-Jun-2011 10:49:49] <JohnnyNoc> my zope question just required patience

[06-Jun-2011 10:57:19] <dhopp> JohnnyNoc: patience is a virtue

[06-Jun-2011 11:01:16] <JohnnyNoc> yes, difficult for me to have some in the morning after a few cups of coffee

[06-Jun-2011 11:01:17] <JohnnyNoc>

[06-Jun-2011 11:04:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: After or before the coffee?

[06-Jun-2011 11:05:03] <JohnnyNoc> i'll be honest, both!

[06-Jun-2011 11:05:14] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: LOL!

[06-Jun-2011 11:06:32] <JohnnyNoc> i should switch to tea, but i read coffee was good for your balls

[06-Jun-2011 11:06:38] <JohnnyNoc> or more specifically your prostate

[06-Jun-2011 11:07:00] * dhopp closes irc window fast

[06-Jun-2011 11:07:04] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: A win dow coffee!

[06-Jun-2011 11:07:11] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: *for

[06-Jun-2011 11:07:33] <Hackman238> dhopp: You'd better start liking coffee

[06-Jun-2011 11:08:11] <JohnnyNoc> hehehe

[06-Jun-2011 11:12:33] <rmatte> The conversations in here lately have been just wow

[06-Jun-2011 11:12:46] <Simon4> rmatte: I was thinking that the other day

[06-Jun-2011 11:12:57] <rmatte> lol

[06-Jun-2011 11:13:32] * Simon4 was blaming JohnnyNoc

[06-Jun-2011 11:13:37] <Simon4> and that dodgy Sam-I-Am

[06-Jun-2011 11:13:39] <JohnnyNoc> heh

[06-Jun-2011 11:13:45] <JohnnyNoc> yea, i was about to raise my hand as a culprit

[06-Jun-2011 11:13:59] <Sam-I-Am> oh shiiiiiii

[06-Jun-2011 11:14:27] <Sam-I-Am> someones blaming me for stuff?  thats new...

[06-Jun-2011 11:14:29] <Hackman238> 4chan quote "Im 12 and what is this???"

[06-Jun-2011 11:15:27] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: all that unlicensed moo'ing

[06-Jun-2011 11:15:30] <Sam-I-Am> ah, its nice to have a systems background sometimes... one of the video conf blades here was puking and i looked at the error 'wdc0' ... huh, looks like it blew a CF card to me

[06-Jun-2011 11:15:40] <Sam-I-Am> probably uses some bsd variant internally

[06-Jun-2011 11:15:44] <Sam-I-Am> winchester disk!

[06-Jun-2011 11:16:10] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: LOL

[06-Jun-2011 11:16:36] <Sam-I-Am> also shows my age

[06-Jun-2011 11:18:27] * Sam-I-Am needs to get on his systems game more often

[06-Jun-2011 11:32:33] <rmatte> things like wdc0 generally indicate a western digital hard disk

[06-Jun-2011 11:32:34] <rmatte> lol

[06-Jun-2011 11:33:02] <rmatte> http://nixdoc.net/man-pages/FreeBSD/man4/wd.4.html

[06-Jun-2011 11:33:32] <rmatte> I used to run FreeBSD and I only ever buy Western Digital

[06-Jun-2011 11:34:33] <Sam-I-Am> hahaha

[06-Jun-2011 11:34:48] <Sam-I-Am> the video guys just came to me asking 'whats a guru meditation'

[06-Jun-2011 11:34:56] <rmatte> seriously?

[06-Jun-2011 11:35:00] <Sam-I-Am> yeah

[06-Jun-2011 11:35:12] <Sam-I-Am> wdc = winchester disk controller

[06-Jun-2011 11:35:16] <Sam-I-Am> old sk00l

[06-Jun-2011 11:35:24] <Sam-I-Am> pre-ide

[06-Jun-2011 11:35:33] <Sam-I-Am> its really just talking about a CF card in this blade

[06-Jun-2011 11:35:57] <rmatte> ah

[06-Jun-2011 11:36:04] <rmatte> It all depends on context I suppose

[06-Jun-2011 11:38:21] <f00fSteR> http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/Medium-Square-Sail-Sun-Shade-Beige/1736556/product.html <-- buying this and sailing in my living room with some dank 420

[06-Jun-2011 11:39:39] <JohnnyNoc> that you bought from 'the silk road' ?

[06-Jun-2011 11:41:26] <f00fSteR> JohnnyNoc, let there be no speak of this 'silk road' on here

[06-Jun-2011 11:42:15] <f00fSteR> effin honey potted torr networks

[06-Jun-2011 11:42:26] <f00fSteR> cant do shit nemore... bitcoins FTW!

[06-Jun-2011 11:48:08] <JohnnyNoc> until they're worth 0?

[06-Jun-2011 11:48:11] <JohnnyNoc> :[

[06-Jun-2011 11:49:38] <Hackman238> ???

[06-Jun-2011 11:51:13] <JohnnyNoc> i was talking about bitcoins

[06-Jun-2011 11:52:34] <f00fSteR> bitcoins are a currency

[06-Jun-2011 11:52:40] <f00fSteR> they fluctuate almost every other day

[06-Jun-2011 11:54:42] <Hackman238> oh right.

[06-Jun-2011 11:59:10] <Sam-I-Am> lol @ guru meditation

[06-Jun-2011 11:59:18] <Sam-I-Am> some of the stuff on this video thing is old sk00l

[06-Jun-2011 11:59:49] <Hackman238> Have a question-

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[06-Jun-2011 12:00:35] <Hackman238> Is it possible to create a new class of subobjects and populate it when a modeler without needing to create a new device class and have the host device zpythonclass set to that new class?

[06-Jun-2011 12:00:35] <dhopp> May or may not have an answer

[06-Jun-2011 12:01:26] <Simon4> Hackman238: not that I know of

[06-Jun-2011 12:01:55] <Hackman238> Simon4: Darn...

[06-Jun-2011 14:00:08] <St3v3o> dhopp you still around ?

[06-Jun-2011 14:01:02] <dhopp> St3v3o:  maybe

[06-Jun-2011 14:01:26] <St3v3o> or bigegor…I install the MS  SQL zenpack (and removed and reinstalled) ..now I don't see anything in .odbc.ini

[06-Jun-2011 14:01:47] <dhopp> St3v3o:  did you try to remodel a device?

[06-Jun-2011 14:01:49] <St3v3o> I have a sql 2005 express box that I am monitoring with no issue

[06-Jun-2011 14:01:58] <St3v3o> yes and restarted zenoss

[06-Jun-2011 14:02:48] <dhopp> St3v3o:  I don't know…might try to post a message to the zenpack page…bigegor is usually pretty good about responding

[06-Jun-2011 14:03:05] <St3v3o> yeah I just saw him drop off here …was in hopes I could catch him

[06-Jun-2011 14:04:49] <St3v3o> now I"m getting this error when connecting to my 2008 boxes also …different then before

[06-Jun-2011 14:04:50] <St3v3o> Unable to connect to data source

[06-Jun-2011 14:05:08] <St3v3o> http://pastebin.com/Vey0Q19H

[06-Jun-2011 14:10:25] <bigegor_> St3v3o: hi

[06-Jun-2011 14:10:42] <St3v3o> hi bigegor.

[06-Jun-2011 14:11:01] <St3v3o> do you have time for some quick help with the MS SQL ODBC zenpack

[06-Jun-2011 14:11:02] <bigegor_> i know this error. It propblem with unicode and ansi in ODBC

[06-Jun-2011 14:11:36] <St3v3o> how might I work around it

[06-Jun-2011 14:11:49] <bigegor_> you can try to force ansi in odbc

[06-Jun-2011 14:12:14] <St3v3o> is this specific error to 2008 …some change they made ?

[06-Jun-2011 14:13:27] <bigegor_> i think it is specific unixODBC problem

[06-Jun-2011 14:14:00] <St3v3o> odd that 2005 doesn't seem to have this issue

[06-Jun-2011 14:14:05] <St3v3o> only my 2008 sql servers.

[06-Jun-2011 14:21:51] <bigegor_> St3v3o: which ZenODBC version are you using?

[06-Jun-2011 14:22:35] <St3v3o> latest

[06-Jun-2011 14:22:52] <jackery> Is anyone aware of an API that will expose the number of nodes or datapoints being monitored by a ZenOss collector?

[06-Jun-2011 14:23:29] <jackery> I'm integrating capacity-awareness into our asset-management system that will evenly distribute devices across collection clusters.

[06-Jun-2011 14:26:31] <bigegor_> 3.90?

[06-Jun-2011 14:30:53] <jackery> Anyone know how to create a threshold for a data point in a different template?

[06-Jun-2011 14:44:32] <dhopp> jackery:  I don't think that's possible…and I'm not sure why you would do that

[06-Jun-2011 14:47:48] <jackery> dhopp: Currently, I have a generic template for a particular OS bound to all like-devices. I want to put an alert threshold on a proper subset of those machines.

[06-Jun-2011 14:48:21] <St3v3o> bigegor:3.2

[06-Jun-2011 14:48:25] <jackery> More practically speaking, I have a load-average template bound to 2000 machines, and I want a set of ten of them to alert on an arbitrary threshold

[06-Jun-2011 14:48:28] <St3v3o> I'll look at updating that I guess

[06-Jun-2011 14:52:33] <bigegor_> St3v3o: if you are using 3.2 you must change two files.

[06-Jun-2011 14:52:59] <bigegor_> St3v3o: ZenPacks/community/ZenODBC/datasources/OdbcDataSource.py

[06-Jun-2011 14:53:50] <jmp242> jackery: you'd want the 10 to be in a subclass of the others, and override the template at the subclass level to have a threshold... Or at the device level...

[06-Jun-2011 14:54:00] <bigegor_> St3v3o: line 52: return "findodbc, '%s', ansi=True"%SQLDataSource.SQLDataSource.getCommand(self,

[06-Jun-2011 14:54:41] <bigegor_> St3v3o: ZenPacks/community/ZenODBC/OdbcPlugin.py

[06-Jun-2011 14:55:11] <jackery> jmp242: Will you elaborate on what you mean by override?

[06-Jun-2011 14:55:37] <bigegor_> St3v3o: line 46: queries[tname] = (sql, {}, "findodbc, '" + cs + "', ansi=True", columns)

[06-Jun-2011 14:57:23] <St3v3o> should I just upgrade to the newest version ?

[06-Jun-2011 15:01:33] <bigegor_> St3v3o: 3.90 is WIP, you can try but not in productive system.

[06-Jun-2011 15:01:48] <Hackman238> bigegor_: Question for you on DataBaseMap, if you have time

[06-Jun-2011 15:02:16] <bigegor_> Hackman238: asking

[06-Jun-2011 15:04:08] <Hackman238> bigegor_: Is it possible to specifiy a connection string to model more than one port? E.x. 3306-3308?

[06-Jun-2011 15:05:39] <bigegor_> Hackman238: you can specify more than one connection string one string per port.

[06-Jun-2011 15:06:16] <bigegor_> Hackman238: zMySqlConnectionString is multiline

[06-Jun-2011 15:07:05] <Hackman238> bigegor_: Nice! Thank you

[06-Jun-2011 15:10:31] <bigegor_> for real men only: i need support in testing of new  ZenPacks.community.SQLDataSource,  ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource and  ZenPacks.community.WBEMDataSource ZenPacks.

[06-Jun-2011 15:12:29] <jmp242> I mean use the override template here function

[06-Jun-2011 15:12:32] <jmp242> from the gear icon

[06-Jun-2011 15:13:01] <jmp242> it copies it locally so you can edit at that level to be different than the higher level template in the hierarchy

[06-Jun-2011 15:13:21] <jackery> jmp242: Ahh, nice. Didn't know about that feature.

[06-Jun-2011 15:13:30] <jackery> How does this tie in with ZenPacks?

[06-Jun-2011 15:13:58] <jackery> Or more specifically, how will this affect my current template-deploy process (pushing ZenPacks containing template updates)?

[06-Jun-2011 15:16:57] <bigegor_> ZenPacks.community.SQLDataSource provides new infrastructure for 'Query based' monitoring. Old zenperfwmi and zenperfwbem will be deprecated. For backwards compatibility i've made special versions of ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource and  ZenPacks.community.WBEMDataSource ZenPacks.

[06-Jun-2011 15:25:58] <Hackman238> bigegor_: Have you done much testig with Avalon?

[06-Jun-2011 15:26:11] <bigegor_> no

[06-Jun-2011 15:27:19] <jmp242> Ummm

[06-Jun-2011 15:27:19] <Hackman238> bigegor_: if you email me your updated packs I can test them and give you a heads up which utilized methods are depricated in Avalon

[06-Jun-2011 15:27:31] <jmp242> I expect it will work fine

[06-Jun-2011 15:27:38] <Hackman238> bigegor_: that way you can code them to be compatible in the near future

[06-Jun-2011 15:27:41] <jmp242> if you have the same device classes . . .

[06-Jun-2011 15:27:52] <Hackman238> jmp242: You'd be suprised whats differnt

[06-Jun-2011 15:27:59] <bigegor_> Hackman238: https://github.com/epuzanov/ZenPacks.community.SQLDataSource

[06-Jun-2011 15:28:16] <Hackman238> jmp242: Even some simple packs aerent working

[06-Jun-2011 15:28:21] <jackery> jmp242: Thanks for the info. I'm going to explore template overriding.

[06-Jun-2011 15:28:37] <bigegor_> https://github.com/epuzanov/ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource/tree/SQLDataSource

[06-Jun-2011 15:28:44] <bigegor_> https://github.com/epuzanov/ZenPacks.community.WBEMDataSource/tree/SQLDataSource

[06-Jun-2011 15:29:02] <Hackman238> bigegor_: Thanks

[06-Jun-2011 15:30:57] <bigegor_> here https://github.com/epuzanov/ZenPacks.community.SQLDataSource/tree/master/ZenPacks/community/SQLDataSource/lib i've made DB-API modules for WMI, WBEM and WinRM.

[06-Jun-2011 15:36:01] * dhopp is beginning to regret my decision to do this "right"

[06-Jun-2011 15:36:23] <Hackman238> dhopp: Whats up?

[06-Jun-2011 15:36:38] <dhopp> Hackman238:  just more work then I was expecting

[06-Jun-2011 15:36:48] <Hackman238> dhopp: Sounds like most women

[06-Jun-2011 15:36:53] <dhopp> Hackman238:  lol

[06-Jun-2011 15:37:01] <Hackman238> dhopp: *cough* I mean anythig I can help with?

[06-Jun-2011 15:37:20] <dhopp> Hackman238:  it will be better in the long run..but having to change where I raise/catch exceptions

[06-Jun-2011 15:37:39] <Hackman238> dhopp: Gotcha.

[06-Jun-2011 15:38:23] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I had my add client script going pretty good (to auto generate organizational tree and eventually add a few stock devices into zenoss)…but realized that the code I was writing wasn't really reusable..hence why I decided to rewrite it with a "client" class

[06-Jun-2011 15:38:55] <Hackman238> dhopp: IDK man, sounds like you're rewriting puppet now

[06-Jun-2011 15:39:09] <dhopp> Hackman238:  not quite

[06-Jun-2011 15:39:44] <dhopp> Hackman238:  this is no where near as powerful as puppet…although…I probably could incorporate this into opsware eventually (our automation tool)

[06-Jun-2011 15:40:10] <Hackman238> dhopp: Very nice

[06-Jun-2011 15:41:53] <bigegor_> if someone tried to use WinRM?

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[06-Jun-2011 15:43:20] <Hackman238> bigegor: Havent used it yet, sorry

[06-Jun-2011 15:47:19] <bigegor> Hackman238: ZenPacks.community.SQLDataSource support it too (pywsmandb.py module)

[06-Jun-2011 15:51:37] <Hackman238> bigegor: I'll try to test WinRM support tonight for you

[06-Jun-2011 15:54:28] <bigegor> thanks. DB-API modules can be used stand-alone too. pywsmandb depends on standard python libraries (xml.sax, urllib2, httplib and uuid)

[06-Jun-2011 16:17:09] <St3v3o> ls

[06-Jun-2011 16:20:16] <Hackman238> backup  boot  etc   lib    lost+found  misc  opt   root  selinux  sys  usr  zenbuild.log

[06-Jun-2011 16:20:19] <Hackman238> bin     dev   home  lib64  media       mnt   proc  sbin  srv      tmp  var

[06-Jun-2011 16:20:22] <dhopp> Hackman238:  damn you

[06-Jun-2011 16:20:29] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I was just doing the same thing

[06-Jun-2011 16:20:35] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL

[06-Jun-2011 16:21:23] <dhopp> Hackman238:  ok..I can't figure this out…it's not a big deal but it's bugging me

[06-Jun-2011 16:21:39] <Hackman238> dhopp: Is it 42?

[06-Jun-2011 16:21:46] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I have a class that is a subclass from another…in the class def line I have to do:

[06-Jun-2011 16:21:55] <dhopp> Class Client(ZenossAPI.ZenossAPI)

[06-Jun-2011 16:22:04] <dhopp> why can't I just do ZenossAPI?

[06-Jun-2011 16:22:24] <Hackman238> dhopp: Where is ZenossAPI defined?

[06-Jun-2011 16:22:36] <dhopp> in a file called ZenossAPI.py..

[06-Jun-2011 16:22:40] <dhopp> I have import ZenossAPI

[06-Jun-2011 16:22:45] <Hackman238> dhopp: Seems to me ZenossAPI is a subclass/method of ZenossAPI

[06-Jun-2011 16:23:02] <dhopp> class ZenossAPI():

[06-Jun-2011 16:23:15] <Hackman238> okay, whats your import statement look like?

[06-Jun-2011 16:23:23] <dhopp> import ZenossAPI

[06-Jun-2011 16:23:23] <dhopp> heh

[06-Jun-2011 16:23:43] <St3v3o> bigegor…sorry I didn't respond…got pulled away

[06-Jun-2011 16:24:25] <St3v3o> I changed the lines in the two files you listed above and restarted zenoss for good measure…now getting a different error

[06-Jun-2011 16:24:27] <Hackman238> dhopp: Whats the name of the ZenossAPI containing clasS?

[06-Jun-2011 16:24:38] <St3v3o> http://pastebin.com/bvGtyMii

[06-Jun-2011 16:24:41] <dhopp> ZenossAPI

[06-Jun-2011 16:24:49] <dhopp> wait

[06-Jun-2011 16:24:51] <Hackman238> dhopp: If it is ZenossAPI.py, try from ZenossAPI import ZenossAPI

[06-Jun-2011 16:24:57] <Hackman238> dhopp: :-)

[06-Jun-2011 16:25:17] <dhopp> Hackman238:  that was it

[06-Jun-2011 16:25:25] <dhopp> It's Monday you know

[06-Jun-2011 16:25:25] <dhopp> heh

[06-Jun-2011 16:25:41] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL. I've been working without sleep since 8PM yesterday ;-)

[06-Jun-2011 16:26:09] <dhopp> My brain might work better if it had that much time to warm up :-P

[06-Jun-2011 16:26:18] <St3v3o> maybe same error http://pastebin.com/PPprKafL

[06-Jun-2011 16:26:20] <dhopp> Hackman238:  it's a bit like a diesel

[06-Jun-2011 16:26:21] <dhopp> heh

[06-Jun-2011 16:26:35] <dhopp> Hackman238:  takes a while to warm up but can run for a long time :-)

[06-Jun-2011 16:27:33] <Hackman238> dhopp: There ya go.

[06-Jun-2011 16:42:06] <bigegor> St3v3o: hmm weird

[06-Jun-2011 16:42:56] <bigegor> St3v3o: can you post your line 52 from ZenPacks/community/ZenODBC/datasources/OdbcDataSource.py

[06-Jun-2011 16:43:38] <St3v3o> sure

[06-Jun-2011 16:44:03] <St3v3o> return "findodbc, '%s', ansi=True"%SQLDataSource.SQLDataSource.getCommand(self,

[06-Jun-2011 16:47:38] <bigegor> try to replace 'True' with 1: return "findodbc, '%s', ansi=1"%SQLDataSource.SQLDataSource.getCommand(self,

[06-Jun-2011 16:57:02] <Hackman238> Later all

[06-Jun-2011 17:03:39] <St3v3o> sorry pulled away again…today is a mess…must be Monday

[06-Jun-2011 17:03:41] <St3v3o> testing now

[06-Jun-2011 17:05:30] <St3v3o> should I also replace ansi=True with ansi=1 on line 46 in the other file

[06-Jun-2011 17:05:38] <bigegor> yes

[06-Jun-2011 17:09:17] <St3v3o> "looks" to be ok

[06-Jun-2011 17:09:32] <St3v3o> another odd thing….is that I don't see anything in my .odbc.ini file under /home/zenoss

[06-Jun-2011 17:09:46] <St3v3o> but connections are still being made for my boxes

[06-Jun-2011 17:10:12] <St3v3o> nope still sending errors

[06-Jun-2011 17:16:23] <bigegor> .odbc.ini will not be used if you have pyodbc installed.

[06-Jun-2011 17:16:44] <St3v3o> ah ok

[06-Jun-2011 17:17:13] <bigegor> later

[06-Jun-2011 17:17:17] <St3v3o> later

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[07-Jun-2011 01:30:24] <stoked> is there a way to have  zenoss display min instead of max on a graph?

[07-Jun-2011 05:31:46] <froztbyte> MehSQL ftl :/

[07-Jun-2011 07:44:00] * froztbyte pops entire events db into mongodb to test

[07-Jun-2011 08:13:40] <Hackman238> Hello all

[07-Jun-2011 08:24:48] <JohnnyNoc> g'morning

[07-Jun-2011 08:33:58] <jmp242> morning

[07-Jun-2011 08:34:23] <Hackman238> How goes the war all?

[07-Jun-2011 08:34:28] <froztbyte> *grumble*

[07-Jun-2011 08:34:43] <froztbyte> where do I check the stack installer's root mysql password?

[07-Jun-2011 08:35:14] <Hackman238> dmd

[07-Jun-2011 08:35:39] <Hackman238> dmd.ZenEventManager.password

[07-Jun-2011 08:35:53] <froztbyte> no, that's for the the zenoss user

[07-Jun-2011 08:36:17] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Oh, sorry, youre right. Early yet.

[07-Jun-2011 08:36:55] <Hackman238> froztbyte: I'm not positive what it is or where you can get it. You could reset it

[07-Jun-2011 08:37:48] <Hackman238> froztbyte: worst case, remove the mysql table directory and restart the mysql process- if the stack mysql behaves anything like the rpm it'll rebuild the builtins with the default blank password

[07-Jun-2011 08:38:32] <froztbyte> urgh, effort

[07-Jun-2011 08:38:41] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Sorry man.

[07-Jun-2011 08:39:43] <tsener> hello there

[07-Jun-2011 08:41:46] <froztbyte> Hackman238: nevermind, looks like I've got further fun to deal with

[07-Jun-2011 08:42:33] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Always in the AM, right?

[07-Jun-2011 08:42:36] <Hackman238> froztbyte: GL

[07-Jun-2011 08:42:41] <Hackman238> tsener: Hello

[07-Jun-2011 08:43:39] <froztbyte> Hackman238: it's almost 3 o' clock here

[07-Jun-2011 08:44:04] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Where are you at?

[07-Jun-2011 08:47:21] <tsener> any1 running a redundant Core installation ?

[07-Jun-2011 08:47:42] <tsener> im just curious  how would that go

[07-Jun-2011 08:48:08] <froztbyte> sorry, are you english? and at a keyboard?

[07-Jun-2011 08:49:03] <froztbyte> Hackman238: .za

[07-Jun-2011 08:54:01] <Hackman238> tsener: We dont understand

[07-Jun-2011 08:54:46] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Cool- hows the weather? Its like a million degrees here in San Antonio, Tx

[07-Jun-2011 08:55:28] <tsener> oh  sorry

[07-Jun-2011 08:55:51] <tsener> just found an article describing what I need

[07-Jun-2011 08:55:52] <Hackman238> tsener: Do you mean having core with a core collector?

[07-Jun-2011 08:56:02] <tsener> I meant HA cluster of zenoss Core

[07-Jun-2011 08:56:12] <tsener> with drbd and ha

[07-Jun-2011 08:56:13] <Hackman238> tsener: Ah. It'll work jsut fine

[07-Jun-2011 08:56:31] <tsener> are there any other options you could think of ?

[07-Jun-2011 08:57:07] <Hackman238> tsener: big note though: a shared disk array like GFS3 is hugely helpful for Zenoss HA

[07-Jun-2011 08:57:28] <Hackman238> tsener: for Zenoss HA? Yes

[07-Jun-2011 08:58:11] <Hackman238> tsener: You could point your users to a apache instance which sticky session balances users against your main zenoss box.

[07-Jun-2011 08:59:01] <Hackman238> tsener: On another box, a rsync copy sans /perf of the main install exists and is connected to the remove zeo

[07-Jun-2011 08:59:11] <Hackman238> *remote

[07-Jun-2011 09:00:01] <Hackman238> tsener: if the main instance zope blows up, users are redirected to the second instance which is connected to the same zeo. Whent he main zope is available again httpd will fail back to the main instance

[07-Jun-2011 09:00:21] <Hackman238> tsener: Mind you thats HA, not really redundant.

[07-Jun-2011 09:00:44] <Hackman238> tsener: depending on what your organizations definitions of each are.

[07-Jun-2011 09:00:50] <tsener>

[07-Jun-2011 09:01:23] <Hackman238> tsener: What we do here at Rackspace is run many instances of Zope on the same zenoss box and load balance between them. We have instances on remote boxes connected to the local zeo for fail over.

[07-Jun-2011 09:01:37] <Hackman238> tsener: I'd be happy to send you the patch and infos to do this.

[07-Jun-2011 09:03:15] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away

[07-Jun-2011 09:04:36] <Sam-I-Am> moo?

[07-Jun-2011 09:05:52] <froztbyte> Hackman238: it's weird

[07-Jun-2011 09:06:08] <froztbyte> Hackman238: given our normal winter anyway

[07-Jun-2011 09:09:24] <Hackman238> froztbyte: LOL

[07-Jun-2011 09:17:48] <JohnnyNoc> Hackman238 can you just setup a Zenoss core cluster for me and send the bill to ummm.....  uhhh...  just pretend it's paid?

[07-Jun-2011 09:17:51] <JohnnyNoc> jk "p

[07-Jun-2011 09:17:52] <JohnnyNoc>

[07-Jun-2011 09:18:41] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[07-Jun-2011 09:20:12] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: :-) I do consulting if you want a full blow project

[07-Jun-2011 09:20:25] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: I'll be sure to bring my IBM Thinkpad

[07-Jun-2011 09:26:07] * dhopp yawns

[07-Jun-2011 09:26:19] <Sam-I-Am> moo

[07-Jun-2011 09:41:48] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: His thinkpad apparently has 3 light levels, pitch black, bright, and eye searing

[07-Jun-2011 09:42:34] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Aye- hacked in LED back lighting using LED's designed for outdoor and automotive flood lighting

[07-Jun-2011 09:42:47] <rmatte> lol

[07-Jun-2011 09:43:25] <Hackman238> rmatte: Hey man, JameCo too expensive for me to just order LED's- if I have a part thats 'close enough' I'll make it work

[07-Jun-2011 09:44:09] <Hackman238> Anyone else in here do electronics, radio, etc?

[07-Jun-2011 09:44:30] <Sam-I-Am> i do

[07-Jun-2011 09:44:40] <Sam-I-Am> <- ham nurd!

[07-Jun-2011 09:45:10] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Nice. Home built kit or bought?

[07-Jun-2011 09:45:46] <Sam-I-Am> depends on the thing

[07-Jun-2011 09:45:56] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Good answer :-)

[07-Jun-2011 09:45:56] <Sam-I-Am> way back when i did a lot of kits

[07-Jun-2011 09:46:20] <Sam-I-Am> these days i'm mostly out of ham radio except for APRS and maybe some motorola vhf/uhf/900 gear

[07-Jun-2011 09:46:25] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: By 'kit' I mean items- like home design/built

[07-Jun-2011 09:46:40] <Sam-I-Am> ham radio was awesome in colorado.. it sucks here

[07-Jun-2011 09:46:46] <Sam-I-Am> too many old crusties

[07-Jun-2011 09:46:47] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Ah

[07-Jun-2011 09:47:03] <Sam-I-Am> back in CO i ran the 220 machine, 900 machine... lots of fun bands

[07-Jun-2011 09:47:40] <Sam-I-Am> did a lot of 2m ssb

[07-Jun-2011 09:47:46] <Sam-I-Am> mountains make it fun lol

[07-Jun-2011 09:48:02] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Personally I build a lot of radio tracking, radio cloacking and radio jamming hardware. Less for talking, more for being covert

[07-Jun-2011 09:48:11] <Sam-I-Am> used to be really big into HF contesting when i was in college and we had a stupid huge station... since then i found out a dipole is worthless for contesting

[07-Jun-2011 09:48:12] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: I bet

[07-Jun-2011 09:48:28] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: LOL!

[07-Jun-2011 09:48:42] <Hackman238> *cloaking

[07-Jun-2011 09:48:50] <Sam-I-Am> heh

[07-Jun-2011 09:48:56] <Sam-I-Am> jamming cellphones in the theatre?

[07-Jun-2011 09:49:24] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Nein, too easy and potiential bad side effects in an emergency

[07-Jun-2011 09:49:49] <Sam-I-Am> i got into moto trbo here... its cool, but not catching on quickly

[07-Jun-2011 09:50:00] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Mostly ranged, trigulated detection of gain, loss across narrow bands

[07-Jun-2011 09:50:10] <Sam-I-Am> people are too interested in their $50 woxon chinese FM radios which are crap

[07-Jun-2011 09:50:22] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Crap indeed

[07-Jun-2011 09:50:42] <dhopp> oh good lord…I spent like 2 hours trying to figure out why this wasn't working yesterday…spent 10 minutes today and got it...

[07-Jun-2011 09:50:48] <dhopp> I need to learn to take breaks

[07-Jun-2011 09:50:54] <Sam-I-Am> i like radios i can drop, throw, dunk, etc... and they keep working

[07-Jun-2011 09:50:58] <Sam-I-Am> and often dont even show wear and tear

[07-Jun-2011 09:51:49] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: And retransmission cloaking using rapidly remodulated transmission sources surrounding the core transmission source, sort of like that in active scanning radar transmitters

[07-Jun-2011 09:52:23] <Hackman238> dhopp: Sounds like it

[07-Jun-2011 09:52:44] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Agreed- people buy trash with very finite product life

[07-Jun-2011 09:55:40] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: If you ever see a dark blue Honda Civic with a ton of antennas and a huge solar panel, you'll know it's me :-)

[07-Jun-2011 09:56:25] <dhopp> Hackman238:  and I thought that was just a google maps car :-P

[07-Jun-2011 09:57:50] <Hackman238> dhopp: Haha- that's me. Long range narrow band detection from 800Mhz to 38Ghz, retransmission from 12-18Ghz and 28-36Ghz ;-)

[07-Jun-2011 09:59:15] <Hackman238> dhopp: Most notably a transmission source thats painfully hard to triangulate since I can remodulate as quickly as several times a second within each band.

[07-Jun-2011 10:05:14] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: let me be the first to say - NERD.

[07-Jun-2011 10:06:04] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Thanks man

[07-Jun-2011 10:07:31] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Would you believe that the govt hasnt hired me? I'd love to design electronics warfare equipment LOL

[07-Jun-2011 10:07:54] <dhopp> Hackman238:  with zenoss monitoring of course

[07-Jun-2011 10:08:19] <Hackman238> dhopp: Absolutely- need to keep track of all those systems :-)

[07-Jun-2011 10:10:10] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: they're watching you i'm sure

[07-Jun-2011 10:12:02] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Everything I design has a just, moral use.

[07-Jun-2011 10:12:09] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am:

[07-Jun-2011 10:12:26] <Sam-I-Am> uh... huh

[07-Jun-2011 10:14:41] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Its just neat to be able to build systems to defeat other systems out of commcerially available electronics.

[07-Jun-2011 10:16:42] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Plus I'd like to think that eventually someone will approach me about the technology- it would be nice to get funding for hobbies with military application.

[07-Jun-2011 10:17:32] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: As you said, its not like no one has noticed the giant radio dead spot moving along the highway.

[07-Jun-2011 10:17:41] <Hackman238>

[07-Jun-2011 10:17:53] <Sam-I-Am> just spin up a really noisy AC motor

[07-Jun-2011 10:17:56] <Sam-I-Am> or dc motor

[07-Jun-2011 10:17:59] <Sam-I-Am> something... spark-gappy

[07-Jun-2011 10:18:40] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Aye, but I'm taking like quarter mile radius, depending on how much power I have available for the transmitters.

[07-Jun-2011 10:19:06] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: temperature too...I fear mosfet and mmic meltdowns its so hot here in Tx

[07-Jun-2011 10:20:25] <rmatte> eugh, this project of migrating a cvs database from a windows server never ends

[07-Jun-2011 10:20:38] <rmatte> from a windows server to a linux server rather

[07-Jun-2011 10:20:48] <rmatte> and migrating a bunch of sites off an older linux server to this new one

[07-Jun-2011 10:21:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: I've never done, but it seems like it wouldnt be a nightmare

[07-Jun-2011 10:21:13] <rmatte> then rewriting all of this spaghetti script that they have tying everything together

[07-Jun-2011 10:21:17] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ad gotcha

[07-Jun-2011 10:21:21] <rmatte> hehe

[07-Jun-2011 10:21:22] <Hackman238> *ah

[07-Jun-2011 10:21:40] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: might i recommend a large magnet

[07-Jun-2011 10:21:43] <rmatte> the CVS server migration itself wasn't that difficult (except it was crazy figuring out the process)

[07-Jun-2011 10:21:51] <rmatte> I'm going to do a blog post about that part when I'm done

[07-Jun-2011 10:22:01] <rmatte> there were very specific file permissions required

[07-Jun-2011 10:23:19] <rmatte> also zipping up the database on the windows server and then unzipping it was interesting... the only working combination that would do it that I found was winzip on the windows server and 7zip on the linux server

[07-Jun-2011 10:23:36] <rmatte> the "7za e" commands to be precise

[07-Jun-2011 10:23:44] <rmatte> I tried winrar at first but it didn't work

[07-Jun-2011 10:23:51] <rmatte> 16+GB CVS database

[07-Jun-2011 10:24:41] <rmatte> When it's zipped it's around 5GB or something

[07-Jun-2011 10:24:44] <rmatte> text zips well

[07-Jun-2011 10:25:47] <rmatte> anyways, the project is almost done, I'm just transferring the current production database over so that they can do some testing to make sure the new system is working as expected

[07-Jun-2011 10:26:11] <rmatte> then next Friday we do the actual migration

[07-Jun-2011 10:26:37] <rmatte> 3 MySQL databases, 1 CVS database and I'll be done

[07-Jun-2011 10:28:33] <Sam-I-Am> ah, i love when people dont pay me for consulting work

[07-Jun-2011 10:28:45] <Sam-I-Am> "get it done get it done" then when i ask for mah moneiz they take forever

[07-Jun-2011 10:28:55] <Sam-I-Am> well, repo man cometh... i've got all their gear.

[07-Jun-2011 10:28:59] <rmatte> lol

[07-Jun-2011 10:33:47] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: LOL!!

[07-Jun-2011 10:34:59] <jmp242> Why would you not pay a consultant?

[07-Jun-2011 10:35:06] <jmp242> seems like a recipe for trouble to me

[07-Jun-2011 10:35:56] <Sam-I-Am> not sure, but its not the first time

[07-Jun-2011 10:38:07] <rmatte> Does anyone know if Zenoss' Nagios parser is capable of retrieving multiple lines?

[07-Jun-2011 10:38:26] <fragfutter> rmatte: afaik it fails.

[07-Jun-2011 10:38:26] <rmatte> for instance, I want to actually include the contents of a command's output

[07-Jun-2011 10:38:49] <rmatte> worst case scenario I can just not include it, but it would be good if I can

[07-Jun-2011 10:41:05] <dhopp> rmatte: you are familiar with the JSON API right?

[07-Jun-2011 10:57:01] <uifjlh1> What would you recommend for hard drive sizing in an environment of ~ 300 devices ?

[07-Jun-2011 10:58:14] <Sam-I-Am> uifjlh1: how many data sources per device??

[07-Jun-2011 10:58:19] <rmatte> dhopp: Yes, I know about JSON

[07-Jun-2011 10:58:22] <rmatte> Why do you ask?

[07-Jun-2011 10:58:28] <Sam-I-Am> uifjlh1: every rrd file is the same size, so you can almost estimate it

[07-Jun-2011 10:58:49] <rmatte> uifjlh1: what types of devices, mostly servers, mostly network equipment, half and half?

[07-Jun-2011 10:59:11] <rmatte> uifjlh1: I have a big enough variety of Zenoss installations that I could easily tell you based on that

[07-Jun-2011 10:59:18] <Sam-I-Am> uifjlh1: space isnt toooo bad with rrd files... i/o gets more important

[07-Jun-2011 10:59:34] <uifjlh1> Windows Servers, Exchange, SQL, AD, ~ 100 total, ~ 20 network devices, ~ 50 printers ...

[07-Jun-2011 10:59:54] <rmatte> uifjlh1: you'd be looking at about 20GB to be safe

[07-Jun-2011 11:00:37] <rmatte> If you're installing it on a physical server and want to maximize performance, like Sam-I-Am said, I/O speed is important... solid state drives work nicely

[07-Jun-2011 11:01:17] <dhopp> rmatte: I'm trying to update some zProperties but it doesn't seem to work..

[07-Jun-2011 11:01:28] <uifjlh1> that was about where I was thinking too.  I'm going for 2 cpu, 4gb ram, and 20-40 gb HD space.   I've been testing w/ the VM device on my laptop w/ Virtual Box, so ANYTHING will be better, I was watching ~ 20 servers

[07-Jun-2011 11:01:30] <dhopp> rmatte: well actually right now I'm just trying to get Zproperites

[07-Jun-2011 11:01:47] <rmatte> dhopp: I haven't done any JSON against Zenoss itself

[07-Jun-2011 11:01:57] <dhopp> rmatte: but it looks like there are two patches that need to be applied

[07-Jun-2011 11:01:57] <rmatte> I've only used it in other scenarios

[07-Jun-2011 11:02:02] <dhopp> rmatte:  oh

[07-Jun-2011 11:02:06] <rmatte> so I'd have to read the docs to see how they've implemented the calls

[07-Jun-2011 11:02:14] <uifjlh1> Planning to use a VM client, on 15k FC drives ...

[07-Jun-2011 11:02:18] <rmatte> I understand JSON from a programming perspective is what I mean when I say that I know it

[07-Jun-2011 11:02:46] <rmatte> dhopp: we will be using it eventually once we start doing more system integrations

[07-Jun-2011 11:03:04] <uifjlh1> Going to try OpenSuSE as OS (what I know best)

[07-Jun-2011 11:03:27] <dhopp> rmatte:  ok…I think I found two zenoss patches that need to be applied for zprops to be exposed…but the second patch looks like it bombed on me

[07-Jun-2011 11:03:34] <tehhobbit> ttp://i.imgur.com/yKkIT.png omg!

[07-Jun-2011 11:03:44] <rmatte> uifjlh1: I'd really recommend that you go with Redhat, CentOS, Ubuntu, or Debian

[07-Jun-2011 11:04:09] <rmatte> they are the most testing platforms

[07-Jun-2011 11:04:12] <rmatte> tested*

[07-Jun-2011 11:04:53] <uifjlh1> Ubuntu is also one I've been using a lot, I just noticed quite a few folks mentioned OpenSuSE too

[07-Jun-2011 11:05:06] <rmatte> I use Ubuntu Server for all of my servers here

[07-Jun-2011 11:05:10] <rmatte> haven't had any issues with it

[07-Jun-2011 11:05:21] <uifjlh1> cool, TY

[07-Jun-2011 11:05:31] <rmatte> the two most common distros used are RedHat/CentOS and Ubuntu Server

[07-Jun-2011 11:05:46] <rmatte> If you do go with Ubuntu I highly recommend that you use the LTS release

[07-Jun-2011 11:05:56] <uifjlh1> I have Ubuntu running my OSSEC & SPLUNK services, & it's a champ!

[07-Jun-2011 11:06:55] <uifjlh1> those two along with Zenoss, will give me a good suite of tools

[07-Jun-2011 11:07:27] <rmatte> yup

[07-Jun-2011 11:08:04] <uifjlh1> I just use SPLUNK to give me "pretty output" from OSSEC.

[07-Jun-2011 11:08:28] <rmatte> I think we're going to start using Splunk Enterprise here soon

[07-Jun-2011 11:08:47] <rmatte> We're an MSP though, we provide monitoring for clients

[07-Jun-2011 11:09:22] <dhopp> doh

[07-Jun-2011 11:09:22] <dhopp> Hunk #6 FAILED at 164.

[07-Jun-2011 11:09:23] <dhopp> 1 out of 6 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file ZenUI3/browser/resources/js/zenoss/form/modelerPluginPanel.js.rej

[07-Jun-2011 11:09:23] <dhopp> (Stripping trailing CRs from patch.)

[07-Jun-2011 11:09:24] <dhopp> that's bad

[07-Jun-2011 11:09:45] <rmatte> it's not super bad, it just means it didn't cleanly apply the patch

[07-Jun-2011 11:10:07] <Hackman238> dhopp: The portal object exited

[07-Jun-2011 11:10:09] <rmatte> what are you trying to patch exactly?

[07-Jun-2011 11:10:10] <Hackman238> dhopp: That's bad

[07-Jun-2011 11:10:13] <Hackman238> :-)

[07-Jun-2011 11:10:24] <uifjlh1> You will like Splunk Enterprise.   I just use the "free" version, which is just limited on the amount of data it can parse, & only one user, but that's not too bad...

[07-Jun-2011 11:10:29] <dhopp>  zenpatch 26166

[07-Jun-2011 11:10:52] <dhopp> I applied zenpatch 26160 before and restarted zenoss

[07-Jun-2011 11:12:11] <jmp242> mmm

[07-Jun-2011 11:12:17] <jmp242> Splunk . . .

[07-Jun-2011 11:12:24] <jmp242> never really understood what it's good for

[07-Jun-2011 11:12:31] <jmp242> Though I'm on a small network

[07-Jun-2011 11:13:00] <Hackman238> jmp242: Good for figuring out who spilled coke on the core's

[07-Jun-2011 11:13:15] <jmp242> errr?

[07-Jun-2011 11:13:31] <Hackman238> jmp242: Ah ha! First parity errors at XX:YY hours, and Bob was in the DC at that time!

[07-Jun-2011 11:14:17] <Hackman238> jmp242: To be honest its really great for looking through massive amounts of syslog data

[07-Jun-2011 11:14:28] <Hackman238> jmp242: not helpful for a small network

[07-Jun-2011 11:16:21] <Hackman238> jmp242: Sorry, was trying to be funny LOL

[07-Jun-2011 11:16:39] <jmp242> I see

[07-Jun-2011 11:16:56] <jmp242> Yea, every time I look at splunk, I think a) limited freeware and b) why not send that data to Zenoss lol

[07-Jun-2011 11:17:24] <Hackman238> jmp242: Zenoss does syslog data well, but its painful to look through huge amounts of syslog data

[07-Jun-2011 11:17:45] <rmatte> Yeh, when you're dealing with security syslog data, good luck

[07-Jun-2011 11:17:55] <rmatte> you need a log analyzer at that point

[07-Jun-2011 11:17:57] <Hackman238> jmp242: For example, our DFW DC passes almost a terabyte syslog data a day

[07-Jun-2011 11:18:04] <jmp242> Ah

[07-Jun-2011 11:18:06] <Hackman238> jmp242: Zenoss would be crushed

[07-Jun-2011 11:18:14] <jmp242> Mmm. I see

[07-Jun-2011 11:18:15] <rmatte> yup

[07-Jun-2011 11:18:15] <Hackman238> jmp242: Splunk free handles it like a champ

[07-Jun-2011 11:18:23] <jmp242> and OSSIC doesn't do that either?

[07-Jun-2011 11:18:35] <jmp242> There's too many log analyzers out there lol

[07-Jun-2011 11:18:50] <Hackman238> jmp242: Just personally partial to splunk

[07-Jun-2011 11:19:16] <Hackman238> jmp242: I like to enforce the use of tools I know how to fix and core for

[07-Jun-2011 11:19:17] <jmp242> ahh

[07-Jun-2011 11:19:41] <rmatte> Hackman238: do you know of a way to capture multiple lines of output from a command (via ssh) in Zenoss and actually put that output in to an event?

[07-Jun-2011 11:19:55] <rmatte> Is there some nagios syntax that Zenoss understands that I'm not aware of to do that?

[07-Jun-2011 11:20:32] <rmatte> I'm basically going to have Zenoss login to solaris servers and issue "fmadm faulty -ga" every 5 minutes

[07-Jun-2011 11:20:35] <Hackman238> rmatte: You can do this with a modeler, but in a command data source- afraid I never could find a way. Though I worked on that back in v2.4

[07-Jun-2011 11:20:41] <rmatte> if there are any lines at all, I want those in an event

[07-Jun-2011 11:20:49] <rmatte> ah ok

[07-Jun-2011 11:21:08] <rmatte> I guess I'll just do output like: [fmadm faulty -ga] Hardware Alert Log Lines: 11|

[07-Jun-2011 11:21:12] <Hackman238> rmatte: to be honest I'd write a script to ahndle the lines and translate the output

[07-Jun-2011 11:21:38] <rmatte> well, the problem is that the output isn't the same depending on the version of Solaris

[07-Jun-2011 11:21:40] <tsener> yup that would be a better option

[07-Jun-2011 11:21:50] <rmatte> and I don't have enough example output to work with to write a reliable parser

[07-Jun-2011 11:21:51] <Hackman238> rmatte: I know :-(

[07-Jun-2011 11:22:00] <Hackman238> rmatte: Oh gotcha

[07-Jun-2011 11:22:17] <rmatte> None of the Solaris boxes that I have access to show anything there

[07-Jun-2011 11:22:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: Are these alerts sent to syslog?

[07-Jun-2011 11:22:24] <rmatte> all I've found is example output on Google

[07-Jun-2011 11:22:31] <rmatte> no, they aren't unfortunately

[07-Jun-2011 11:22:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: Or can they be?

[07-Jun-2011 11:22:38] <rmatte> not according to our resident Solaris expert anyways

[07-Jun-2011 11:22:44] <rmatte> nope, apparently not

[07-Jun-2011 11:22:48] <rmatte> that would have been the ideal solution

[07-Jun-2011 11:22:59] <Hackman238> rmatte: Maybe write a script to run locally to translate each line to a syslog entry

[07-Jun-2011 11:23:13] <rmatte> nah, I can't actually put anything on the boxes

[07-Jun-2011 11:23:16] <rmatte> they aren't ours

[07-Jun-2011 11:23:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: When zenoss polls it'll ru the script, return if the script ran or not. graph that and collect the spoils from syslog

[07-Jun-2011 11:23:33] <rmatte> whatever I do has to be a remote command, or using existing solaris agents

[07-Jun-2011 11:23:43] <Hackman238> rmatte: exactly

[07-Jun-2011 11:24:00] <rmatte> actually, I think I'll graph the number of lines in the log at least

[07-Jun-2011 11:24:05] <rmatte> so that we have a trend of errors

[07-Jun-2011 11:24:24] <Hackman238> rmatte: It'll ssh in, run the script and send the data via syslog then return a win or fail to zenoss for you to graph.

[07-Jun-2011 11:24:30] <rmatte> having our guys actually login to the device and check the log by hand by running the command isn't really a big deal

[07-Jun-2011 11:24:38] <Hackman238> rmatte: That works too.

[07-Jun-2011 11:25:05] <rmatte> hmmmm, what's the easiest way to send a syslog message though?

[07-Jun-2011 11:25:45] <rmatte> I don't even need a script on the server as long as I can write one big one liner bash script to do it

[07-Jun-2011 11:25:49] <rmatte> which is usually what I do

[07-Jun-2011 11:27:12] <Hackman238> rmatte: exactly

[07-Jun-2011 11:27:28] <Hackman238> rmatte: Its a management issue to put scripts on the boxes anyway

[07-Jun-2011 11:27:57] <rmatte> oh, you can just use the "logger" command to send one?

[07-Jun-2011 11:28:14] <Hackman238> rmatte: To send to syslog on solaris I'm not certain.

[07-Jun-2011 11:28:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: Can use logger?

[07-Jun-2011 11:28:59] <rmatte> I'll check if the command exists

[07-Jun-2011 11:29:13] <Hackman238> rmatte: Will be good to know

[07-Jun-2011 11:29:18] <rmatte> -bash-3.00# which logger

[07-Jun-2011 11:29:24] <rmatte> /usr/bin/logger

[07-Jun-2011 11:29:27] <rmatte> apparently it does

[07-Jun-2011 11:30:03] <Hackman238> rmatte: nice

[07-Jun-2011 11:30:04] <rmatte> although that has all sorts of other issues to overcome

[07-Jun-2011 11:30:18] <Hackman238> rmatte: With Solaris, thats usually the case

[07-Jun-2011 11:30:26] <rmatte> such as how not to send the same log message multiple times, though I suppose that's not a big deal

[07-Jun-2011 11:30:41] <rmatte> the output of the command is weird too

[07-Jun-2011 11:30:47] <rmatte> not every line is actually a message

[07-Jun-2011 11:30:50] <Hackman238> rmatte: the dedup system should stack identical events

[07-Jun-2011 11:30:51] <rmatte> you might have something like...

[07-Jun-2011 11:30:54] <rmatte> failed sensors:

[07-Jun-2011 11:30:56] <rmatte> 1: blah

[07-Jun-2011 11:30:58] <rmatte> 2: blah

[07-Jun-2011 11:31:01] <rmatte> ------

[07-Jun-2011 11:31:06] <rmatte> Warning: blah

[07-Jun-2011 11:31:08] <rmatte> -----

[07-Jun-2011 11:31:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: yeah you'll need to write a crap filter

[07-Jun-2011 11:31:10] <rmatte> etc...

[07-Jun-2011 11:31:14] <rmatte> very difficult to parse

[07-Jun-2011 11:31:31] <Hackman238> rmatte: remotes have python?

[07-Jun-2011 11:32:02] <Hackman238> rmatte: If yes, write the script in python and pass the script locally to the remote as a string to execute on the remote box using its python

[07-Jun-2011 11:32:12] <Hackman238> rmatte: Easier to write parsers in python

[07-Jun-2011 11:32:34] <St3v3o> rmatte:  Do you happen to run the MS SQL ODBC Zenpack ?

[07-Jun-2011 11:32:47] <rmatte> St3v3o: nope

[07-Jun-2011 11:33:01] <rmatte> Hackman238: I doubt they have python

[07-Jun-2011 11:33:23] <Hackman238> Was worth a shot

[07-Jun-2011 11:33:24] <rmatte> ah, they do

[07-Jun-2011 11:33:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: WIN@

[07-Jun-2011 11:33:37] <rmatte> either way, it also boils down to how much time I want to invest with this

[07-Jun-2011 11:33:41] <rmatte> the answer being, not that much

[07-Jun-2011 11:33:42] <rmatte> lol

[07-Jun-2011 11:33:45] <Hackman238> rmatte: aye :-)

[07-Jun-2011 11:34:37] <rmatte> anyways, tracking the number of alert lines should be sufficient

[07-Jun-2011 11:34:50] <rmatte> it'll increase if there are new alerts, and decrease when they are cleared by the admin

[07-Jun-2011 11:35:13] <rmatte> just means our analysts actually have to ssh in and issue the command which is no big deal

[07-Jun-2011 11:36:04] <rmatte> chances are it'll rarely ever get tripped anyways

[07-Jun-2011 11:36:44] <Hackman238> rmatte: Alrighty

[07-Jun-2011 11:41:11] <rmatte> I wish I had time to just do development work like this (because god knows that we need it), or even maintenance on my systems... but there's just too many customer projects on the go right now.  It's maddening

[07-Jun-2011 11:41:12] <rmatte> lol

[07-Jun-2011 11:42:58] <Hackman238> rmatte: Madness! Sounds like you need staff :-)

[07-Jun-2011 11:45:54] <rmatte> I do need an assistant

[07-Jun-2011 11:45:57] <rmatte> but I won't get one

[07-Jun-2011 11:46:05] <Sam-I-Am> heh

[07-Jun-2011 11:46:18] <Sam-I-Am> just pay me in beer

[07-Jun-2011 11:46:23] <rmatte>

[07-Jun-2011 11:46:29] <rmatte> I need the beer for myself

[07-Jun-2011 11:46:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: Sorry man- I know that can be crazy

[07-Jun-2011 11:46:34] <rmatte> sanity juice

[07-Jun-2011 11:46:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: Come to Rackspace and there wont be anymore stress

[07-Jun-2011 11:47:00] <rmatte> haha

[07-Jun-2011 11:47:15] <Hackman238> rmatte: Serisouly, we manage our projects very well.

[07-Jun-2011 11:47:28] <rmatte> Open an office in Ottawa and I'll work for you

[07-Jun-2011 11:47:33] <Hackman238> rmatte: No rush rush BS

[07-Jun-2011 11:47:39] <Sam-I-Am> or just move to the US ofA

[07-Jun-2011 11:47:44] <rmatte> yeh, here it's always rush rush

[07-Jun-2011 11:47:58] <rmatte> at this particular company anyways

[07-Jun-2011 11:48:18] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: how does moving to the US in general solve my problem? lol

[07-Jun-2011 11:48:20] <Hackman238> rmatte: pictures invader Zim screaming 'THE MADNESS!!'

[07-Jun-2011 11:48:28] <rmatte> haha

[07-Jun-2011 11:48:29] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: rackspace is there?

[07-Jun-2011 11:48:41] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: No, not there.

[07-Jun-2011 11:48:51] <Sam-I-Am> in the usa  i mean

[07-Jun-2011 11:48:53] <Sam-I-Am> guess that was cague

[07-Jun-2011 11:48:55] <Sam-I-Am> vague

[07-Jun-2011 11:49:10] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: there are many companies in the USA, there are many companies in Canada too lol

[07-Jun-2011 11:50:29] <Hackman238> rmatte: yes but here you have the bennifit of a xenophobic government...wait, NVM, thats a con.

[07-Jun-2011 11:50:36] <rmatte> Hackman238: hehe

[07-Jun-2011 11:51:05] <rmatte> Honestly though, moving to the U.S from Canada is a lot more complex than moving between states.

[07-Jun-2011 11:51:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: In soviet russia, you dont move from city, city moves you!

[07-Jun-2011 11:52:01] <rmatte> lol

[07-Jun-2011 11:52:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL

[07-Jun-2011 11:53:22] <rmatte> god I hate windows server... apparently it's absolutely necessary for to ask me if I want it to reboot every 5 f*^%ing minutes

[07-Jun-2011 11:53:52] <rmatte> apparently the "Ask Later" button should be relabeled to "Slightly Delay Nagging"

[07-Jun-2011 11:54:09] <jmp242> no

[07-Jun-2011 11:54:14] <jmp242> there is a way to set it

[07-Jun-2011 11:54:16] <jmp242> to wait longer

[07-Jun-2011 11:54:19] <jmp242> probably a GPO

[07-Jun-2011 11:54:28] <jmp242> and in Server 2008 R2 you can change the delay

[07-Jun-2011 11:54:30] <rmatte> (it's not my server, it's a customer's, so meh)

[07-Jun-2011 11:54:36] <jmp242> right in the popup to, say, 4hrs

[07-Jun-2011 11:54:37] <rmatte> the default shouldn't be so damn short

[07-Jun-2011 11:54:40] <Hackman238> rmatte: 'Windows needs to restart to finish installing updates- sha'll I harass you again in five munutes?'

[07-Jun-2011 11:54:44] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: dont forget the "are you sure you want to do this?" buttons

[07-Jun-2011 11:54:49] <rmatte> Hackman238: exactly

[07-Jun-2011 11:54:55] <rmatte> lol

[07-Jun-2011 11:54:58] <jmp242> We have started just forcing the reboot

[07-Jun-2011 11:55:05] <Sam-I-Am> i use power buttons

[07-Jun-2011 11:55:06] <Sam-I-Am>

[07-Jun-2011 11:55:07] <jmp242> cause no one ever reboots when they're trying to use the system

[07-Jun-2011 11:55:13] <Hackman238> rmatte: disable automatic updates in services- that'll fix those d@mn popups

[07-Jun-2011 11:55:19] <rmatte> hehe

[07-Jun-2011 11:55:39] <jmp242> Yea

[07-Jun-2011 11:55:44] <Hackman238> rmatte: Damn thnigs used to ask me sh!t while I was playing FEAR or EVE- I put an end to that crap.

[07-Jun-2011 11:55:51] <jmp242> if you've got it locked down enough

[07-Jun-2011 11:55:55] <jmp242> you don't need updates

[07-Jun-2011 11:55:59] <rmatte> Yeh, I hate when it interrupts my CoD

[07-Jun-2011 11:56:01] <jmp242> I ran XP for years

[07-Jun-2011 11:56:07] <jmp242> just install the SPs when they came out

[07-Jun-2011 11:56:09] <jmp242> no updates lol

[07-Jun-2011 11:56:26] <rmatte> updates break stuff more often than they fix it

[07-Jun-2011 11:56:55] <jmp242> Yea, though so far Win7 is doing OK . . . cross my fingers

[07-Jun-2011 11:57:27] <rmatte> Yeh, Win7 was a Microsoft miracle

[07-Jun-2011 11:57:40] <rmatte> "Hmmm, people don't seem to like this bloated POS called Vista"

[07-Jun-2011 11:58:05] <rmatte> It's about time that they understand that less is more

[07-Jun-2011 11:58:20] <Hackman238> Whats everyone thing of the shots of Win8?

[07-Jun-2011 11:58:27] <rmatte> "Oh, you mean it's not cool to have a thousand applications running in the background in the unlikely event that you may need them?"

[07-Jun-2011 11:58:36] <Hackman238> Looks like it's time to make a big multitouch desk!

[07-Jun-2011 11:58:50] <rmatte> I haven't seen the shots of it

[07-Jun-2011 11:58:52] <Hackman238> rmatte: pfff...just thousands?

[07-Jun-2011 11:58:58] <rmatte> and Microsoft already have a big multitouch desk

[07-Jun-2011 11:58:59] <rmatte> lol

[07-Jun-2011 11:59:01] <dhopp> every other OS by MS is terrible…98 was acceptable, ME was a POS, XP was acceptable, Vista POS, 7 acceptable...

[07-Jun-2011 11:59:12] <dhopp> acceptable being relative to things that MS release

[07-Jun-2011 11:59:13] <jmp242> Just like Star Trek movies lol

[07-Jun-2011 11:59:28] <Hackman238> dhopp: Good ole Windows NT 4 was my fav.

[07-Jun-2011 11:59:40] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I was only listing "consumer" OSes

[07-Jun-2011 11:59:41] <jmp242> The Win8 stuff looks about unusable to me

[07-Jun-2011 11:59:54] <Hackman238> dhopp: Oh gotcha.

[07-Jun-2011 11:59:54] <rmatte> dhopp: yeh, ME was the worst, I just stuck with 98 since ME literally brought nothing worthwhile to the table when I was looking at the features

[07-Jun-2011 11:59:57] <jmp242> Looks like I'll skip another version

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[07-Jun-2011 12:00:24] <Hackman238> dhopp: Was a pre release of 2003 that was broke as shit

[07-Jun-2011 12:00:28] <dhopp> Hackman238:  uh..wasn't that the code name for 2003?

[07-Jun-2011 12:01:00] <Hackman238> dhopp: Yep. I ran that for my production UO servers for a while.

[07-Jun-2011 12:01:19] <Hackman238> dhopp: (used to host a small Ultima Online cluster)

[07-Jun-2011 12:01:26] <rmatte> lol

[07-Jun-2011 12:01:49] <Hackman238> rmatte: UO was the boss back then

[07-Jun-2011 12:03:36] <rmatte> I never played UO

[07-Jun-2011 12:04:01] <dhopp> ugh...

[07-Jun-2011 12:04:13] <dhopp> some of our developers have checked in 600MB files into CVS

[07-Jun-2011 12:04:13] <rmatte> I was big in to the FPS early on, took a while to get in to RPG style games

[07-Jun-2011 12:04:15] <dhopp> WTF

[07-Jun-2011 12:04:25] <rmatte> dhopp: probably binaries

[07-Jun-2011 12:04:32] <dhopp> rmatte:  they are but why?

[07-Jun-2011 12:04:41] <rmatte> they probably did it by accident

[07-Jun-2011 12:04:51] <rmatte> compiled something and did a checkin with the code still in that directory

[07-Jun-2011 12:04:59] <rmatte> instead of specifying what file they wanted to check in

[07-Jun-2011 12:05:43] <dhopp> rmatte:  nope…one is ~600 MB .jar file and it was complied in correctly and is only supposed to be like 10MB (how they managed to explode it that much I have no idea)…they want these binaries in CVS

[07-Jun-2011 12:05:52] <dhopp> *incorrectly

[07-Jun-2011 12:05:55] <rmatte> lol

[07-Jun-2011 12:06:08] <rmatte> *boom*

[07-Jun-2011 12:06:42] <willwh> Hackman238: word to that (Re: UO)

[07-Jun-2011 12:06:56] <willwh> darkfallonline.com for a game like it nowadays... it rocks

[07-Jun-2011 12:07:35] <rmatte> eugh, why the hell is this file tranfer over a LAN going at 300KB/s!?

[07-Jun-2011 12:07:47] <rmatte> ah there, finally picked back up

[07-Jun-2011 12:08:22] <Hackman238> willwh: afraid I have no time for fun anymore :/

[07-Jun-2011 12:08:22] <willwh>

[07-Jun-2011 12:08:27] <willwh> Hackman238: bah!

[07-Jun-2011 12:08:29] <willwh> http://www.youtube.com/user/ObsLoD#p/a/f/0/xB48NVF4Xvg

[07-Jun-2011 12:08:48] <willwh> I have very limited time... but I still fit in a few hours on a Sunday

[07-Jun-2011 12:08:51] <willwh> that's about it.

[07-Jun-2011 12:09:14] <Hackman238> willwh: Looks pretty nice

[07-Jun-2011 12:09:22] <Hackman238> willwh: I'll check it out

[07-Jun-2011 12:09:26] <willwh> it's a lot of fun - open pvp, full loot, etc.

[07-Jun-2011 12:09:30] <willwh> everything that made UO good

[07-Jun-2011 12:09:38] <willwh> although there distinct differences.

[07-Jun-2011 12:09:43] <willwh> I'll shut my OT mouth now

[07-Jun-2011 12:09:54] <Hackman238> willwh: Thats why I hate WoW- no full loot, no open PVP. Bah! Bunch of cry babbies

[07-Jun-2011 12:10:00] <willwh> indeed.

[07-Jun-2011 12:10:10] <willwh> DF is brutal like that.

[07-Jun-2011 12:15:33] <rmatte> I was a diablo 2 addict once upon a time

[07-Jun-2011 12:15:59] <rmatte> then I got in to a telnet MUD called Cardea and that was my RPG game for 6 years (it was that good)

[07-Jun-2011 12:16:34] <rmatte> and now I'm actually coding the next version of it (took over from the original coder)

[07-Jun-2011 12:16:47] <Hackman238> rmatte: Played some diablo, but more star craft

[07-Jun-2011 12:16:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: Nice

[07-Jun-2011 12:16:58] <rmatte> yeh, I was heavy in to starcraft too

[07-Jun-2011 12:17:23] <rmatte> speaking of Cardea, I need to find some time to work on that more soon

[07-Jun-2011 12:17:44] <rmatte> I'm debugging some memory errors in a piece of the game engine code... last thing I need to fix in the game engine and it's boring as all hell

[07-Jun-2011 12:18:07] <rmatte> tracking down memory errors in c++ code == garbage

[07-Jun-2011 12:18:30] <rmatte> once this is done I can actually get back to the game code

[07-Jun-2011 12:19:14] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah yeah

[07-Jun-2011 12:20:19] <Hackman238> BRB

[07-Jun-2011 12:20:22] <rmatte> k

[07-Jun-2011 12:24:52] <Hackman238> Nice cold cup of 50% MD, 50% BigRed

[07-Jun-2011 12:47:31] <dhopp> is there a way to roll back a patch?

[07-Jun-2011 12:47:54] <Hackman238> dhopp: do the patch again and pick reverse

[07-Jun-2011 12:50:44] <rmatte> when it says "Assume -r?" say yes

[07-Jun-2011 12:51:17] <dhopp> Hackman238 / rmatte: thank you

[07-Jun-2011 12:52:40] <Hackman238> dhopp: np

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[07-Jun-2011 13:31:45] <Sam-I-Am> rocket: after countless hours of preening all those addresses again, mapping still doesnt work :/

[07-Jun-2011 13:33:02] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Whats up?

[07-Jun-2011 13:33:36] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: location mapping issues

[07-Jun-2011 13:33:42] <Sam-I-Am> people here want to see dots on a map

[07-Jun-2011 13:33:55] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Ah. Getting an error?

[07-Jun-2011 13:34:00] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Of just nothing?

[07-Jun-2011 13:34:15] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: *or

[07-Jun-2011 13:34:34] <Sam-I-Am> it'll draw correctly once after mapping everything, but shows nothing when it tries reading from the cache

[07-Jun-2011 13:34:57] <Sam-I-Am> er, draw once after geocoding

[07-Jun-2011 13:35:02] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: wow- thats a bizarre issue

[07-Jun-2011 13:35:16] <Sam-I-Am> seems fine for about 20-30 locations max... beyond that things get weird

[07-Jun-2011 13:35:37] <Sam-I-Am> rocket was helping me with it... found some issues in the cache or the json for it

[07-Jun-2011 13:35:48] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: I've had up to 250 or so dots on that map at once, so its not a limit

[07-Jun-2011 13:36:13] <Sam-I-Am> he wrote some scripts which i modified based on some stuff i saw to preen out weird addresses that google maps didnt like

[07-Jun-2011 13:36:20] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Gotcha

[07-Jun-2011 13:36:50] <Sam-I-Am> i got those all cleaned up to make the script happy... still no nice.  then had someone here manually map each of 400+ sites and adjust addresses as needed

[07-Jun-2011 13:36:55] <Sam-I-Am> er, no dice

[07-Jun-2011 13:37:01] <Sam-I-Am> and... still no worky

[07-Jun-2011 13:38:48] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: hum

[07-Jun-2011 13:41:31] <Sam-I-Am> yep

[07-Jun-2011 13:42:05] <Sam-I-Am> sometimes i get a white page, other times i see a global map shrunk really tiny

[07-Jun-2011 13:42:12] <Sam-I-Am> with no dots

[07-Jun-2011 13:53:28] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: I had to go through my maps location by location clicking to view each one separately... they all have to be able to load separately more than once

[07-Jun-2011 13:53:44] <rmatte> when the location info is a bit off they'll load the first time but won't load after that.

[07-Jun-2011 14:04:51] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: i've done that

[07-Jun-2011 14:04:56] <Sam-I-Am> they work by themselves

[07-Jun-2011 14:05:40] <rmatte> hmm

[07-Jun-2011 14:05:45] <Sam-I-Am> its funky

[07-Jun-2011 14:22:53] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: you did clear the geocode cache after making sure each one works?

[07-Jun-2011 14:23:42] <Sam-I-Am> yeah

[07-Jun-2011 14:23:47] <Sam-I-Am> well, someone else here did that

[07-Jun-2011 14:24:02] <rmatte> It only takes one little thing to mess the whole map up, that's the part that sucks

[07-Jun-2011 14:24:19] <rmatte> I've had to change addresses to be entire other cities (nearby the original location) just to get certain maps to work

[07-Jun-2011 14:24:44] <Sam-I-Am> problem here is i've already dedicated a lot of resources to fixing this and it shouldnt be this bad

[07-Jun-2011 14:24:55] <rmatte> agreed

[07-Jun-2011 14:25:16] <Sam-I-Am> maybe needs more location verification thingy

[07-Jun-2011 14:26:41] <twm1010> rmatte:  does that fping zenpack play nice with 3.1 or do you have to fiddle with it right away?

[07-Jun-2011 14:27:15] <bhansen> I am using it in 3.1 with no problems

[07-Jun-2011 14:27:31] <bhansen> just had to make sure the host had fping installed

[07-Jun-2011 14:28:13] <twm1010> k, i'll give it a shot

[07-Jun-2011 14:32:24] <rmatte> twm1010: I've never used the fping ZenPack

[07-Jun-2011 14:32:43] <rmatte> I may have played with it once or twice way back in the day

[07-Jun-2011 14:32:44] <rmatte> lol

[07-Jun-2011 14:33:26] <twm1010> oh i just saw you had a bunch of comments on the zenpack page, figured you might use it

[07-Jun-2011 14:33:37] <rmatte> I think I was just offering general advice

[07-Jun-2011 14:34:56] <twm1010> im playing with this one, i used to use the check_ping one but that hasn't been updated for 3.x

[07-Jun-2011 14:35:15] <twm1010> its just a simple template using the nagios command, i'm sure i could build a new template quick enough, its a lazy day here

[07-Jun-2011 14:44:53] <twm1010> annnd it works well enough to get the job done

[07-Jun-2011 14:53:20] <jmp242> I use fping

[07-Jun-2011 14:53:30] <jmp242> I like it well enough

[07-Jun-2011 17:04:04] <Hackman238> Later all

[07-Jun-2011 17:05:05] <Sam-I-Am> lates

[07-Jun-2011 17:06:30] <rmatte> later

[07-Jun-2011 17:09:20] <Sam-I-Am> open mouth, insert beer

[07-Jun-2011 17:10:24] <rmatte> yeh, that's what I'm working towards right now... just waiting for some files to finish copying

[07-Jun-2011 17:10:49] <rmatte> beer, then I'm going to a presentation explaining how darknets are configured/managed

[07-Jun-2011 17:11:02] <rmatte> (not a work activity)

[07-Jun-2011 17:11:51] <rmatte> there's also the first part of the presentation about creating virtualbox clusters but that one is going to be a big snore

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[07-Jun-2011 17:36:12] <lthrasher> is anybody running avalon snapshots for world ipv6 day?

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[07-Jun-2011 17:39:33] <rmatte> lthrasher: doubt it

[07-Jun-2011 17:39:50] <rmatte> alright, beer is calling

[07-Jun-2011 17:39:54] <rmatte> later all

[07-Jun-2011 17:54:49] <Sam-I-Am> lol

[07-Jun-2011 17:54:55] <Sam-I-Am> beer is calling all of us

[07-Jun-2011 18:00:21] <f00fSteR> later all

[07-Jun-2011 18:01:39] <Sam-I-Am> lates

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[08-Jun-2011 07:05:53] <froztbyte> oh awesome

[08-Jun-2011 07:06:07] <froztbyte> looks like my upgrade to 2.5.2 has fixed predictive thresholds too

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[08-Jun-2011 07:46:12] <forsberg> been googling for hours without sucess, so had to come here and ask again did anyone experience the "Server version unavailable at 'https://blahblah' in connection with using perl sdk to monitor esxi on zenoss ?

[08-Jun-2011 07:47:06] <forsberg> i have two what seems to me to be identical centos installs with zenoss 2.5.2 on and the /opt/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.VMwareDataSource-1.1.2.egg/ZenPacks/community/VMwareDataSource/libexec/esxi_performance.pl script works perfectly on one and not on other

[08-Jun-2011 07:48:33] <forsberg> has something strange to do with perl not accepting the self signed certifiakte on the vm server

[08-Jun-2011 07:48:34] <forsberg> just have no clue what excactly does it

[08-Jun-2011 09:03:44] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away

[08-Jun-2011 09:08:46] <fragfutter> forsberg: if it is a cert validation issue check /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt

[08-Jun-2011 09:09:15] <fragfutter> forsberg: or check with openssl und s_client which certs are send around

[08-Jun-2011 09:10:23] <Sam-I-Am> moo?

[08-Jun-2011 09:14:18] <JohnnyNoc> morning Sam-I-Am

[08-Jun-2011 09:14:37] <JohnnyNoc> i came to the office this morning to find out coffee maker out of service

[08-Jun-2011 09:14:41] <JohnnyNoc> coffee rage

[08-Jun-2011 09:14:42] <Sam-I-Am> oh nooooo

[08-Jun-2011 09:14:43] <JohnnyNoc> >:|

[08-Jun-2011 09:14:49] <Sam-I-Am> thats gonna get ugly

[08-Jun-2011 09:14:58] <Sam-I-Am> nerds without caffeine

[08-Jun-2011 09:15:33] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[08-Jun-2011 09:15:41] <JohnnyNoc> it's probably fixed by now, i'm sure the people who come in at 8 complained loudlyu

[08-Jun-2011 09:15:47] <JohnnyNoc> i just went next door and got my own cup

[08-Jun-2011 09:15:54] <Sam-I-Am> coffee shops are good

[08-Jun-2011 09:16:01] <Sam-I-Am> i use one every morning since the in-house coffee is meh

[08-Jun-2011 09:16:08] <fragfutter> JohnnyNoc: you need a RAC

[08-Jun-2011 09:16:17] <fragfutter> redundant array of coffee makers

[08-Jun-2011 09:16:18] <JohnnyNoc> remote access controller?

[08-Jun-2011 09:16:20] <JohnnyNoc> oh

[08-Jun-2011 09:16:21] <JohnnyNoc> hahaha

[08-Jun-2011 09:16:30] <JohnnyNoc> you are spot on

[08-Jun-2011 09:16:44] <fragfutter> or at least a valid backup plan.

[08-Jun-2011 09:16:51] <fragfutter> for example a distributed backup

[08-Jun-2011 09:17:04] <fragfutter> like multiple coffee shops in the neighborhood

[08-Jun-2011 09:17:08] <JohnnyNoc> i think the distributed backup is the 20+ places to go within 1 block

[08-Jun-2011 09:17:11] <JohnnyNoc> *nod*

[08-Jun-2011 09:17:34] <JohnnyNoc> fortunately i work in the 'loop' which is the main business part of town.. plenty of options nearby

[08-Jun-2011 09:17:46] <JohnnyNoc> surprisingly, mcdonalds coffee seems to be rather popular

[08-Jun-2011 09:17:55] <Sam-I-Am> its not bad when theres nothing else in town

[08-Jun-2011 09:18:01] <Sam-I-Am> or you cant handle the hotel coffee

[08-Jun-2011 09:18:08] <fragfutter> JohnnyNoc: the newer mcCafe are ok.

[08-Jun-2011 09:18:22] <JohnnyNoc> i like starbucks

[08-Jun-2011 09:18:24] * JohnnyNoc ducks

[08-Jun-2011 09:18:27] <Sam-I-Am> heh

[08-Jun-2011 09:18:30] <Sam-I-Am> too bitter for me

[08-Jun-2011 09:18:47] <JohnnyNoc> true, until i add cream and sugar

[08-Jun-2011 09:18:51] <JohnnyNoc> then i'm like 8|

[08-Jun-2011 09:18:52] <fragfutter> Sam-I-Am: add milk and caramel sirup

[08-Jun-2011 09:20:01] <Sam-I-Am> ah well, yeah

[08-Jun-2011 09:20:16] <Sam-I-Am> i'm doing iced cold press now

[08-Jun-2011 09:20:22] <Sam-I-Am> summer thing... too hot for hot beverages

[08-Jun-2011 09:21:57] <forsberg> yeah fragfutter

[08-Jun-2011 09:22:24] <forsberg> it seems that something changed, but just dont know what it is

[08-Jun-2011 09:22:29] <forsberg> used all day now

[08-Jun-2011 09:22:29] <forsberg> fuuuuuuuuk

[08-Jun-2011 09:22:56] <JohnnyNoc> iced coffee is dangerous to me, i would drink like 5 cups

[08-Jun-2011 09:23:02] <fragfutter> connect with openssl, check certificates. Check certificate chains.

[08-Jun-2011 09:23:58] <forsberg> yes ok, but im still not sure what to check, i mean i know that its a selfsigned ceritifcate on the esxi host

[08-Jun-2011 09:24:03] <forsberg> i can wget with the no-check-parameter

[08-Jun-2011 09:24:31] <fragfutter> forsberg: check what is the difference between the two machines. Are they both only self signed?

[08-Jun-2011 09:25:11] <forsberg> wait the esxi host is the same

[08-Jun-2011 09:25:12] <fragfutter> and you could simply fetch the certificate and add it to your pki bundle. then no program should complain about missing certification chain any more

[08-Jun-2011 09:25:17] <forsberg> ok

[08-Jun-2011 09:25:49] <fragfutter> is there a hostname mismatch?

[08-Jun-2011 09:25:50] <forsberg> just never had to do any such thing before, totally cluseless but ill check it out

[08-Jun-2011 09:26:19] <forsberg> nono, i have one esxi host and 2 centos5.6/zenoss 2.5.2 machines

[08-Jun-2011 09:26:19] <forsberg> identical

[08-Jun-2011 09:27:30] <forsberg> /opt/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.VMwareDataSource-1.1.2.egg/ZenPacks/community/VMwareDataSource/libexec/esxi_performance.pl --server svinet.foppa.dk --username 'root' --password 'BLAHBLAH' --options "hostperf:svinet.foppa.dk"

[08-Jun-2011 09:27:30] <forsberg> when i run that from one it responds with numbes

[08-Jun-2011 09:27:43] <forsberg> on other it says : Server version unavailable at 'https://svinet.foppa.dk:443/sdk/vimService.wsdl' at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/VMware/VICommon.pm line 545.

[08-Jun-2011 09:27:49] <forsberg> well have lots of esxi host but its the same on all

[08-Jun-2011 09:40:24] <forsberg> /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt is the same

[08-Jun-2011 10:55:40] <fragfutter> can i somehow do something like nagios passive checks in zenoss? That is have an independent process do checks. Inject the results (including performance data) into zenoss. And zenoss will complain if either the check fails or it didn't see an injection within the last n minutes?

[08-Jun-2011 11:05:58] <rmatte> fragfutter: you mean have an independant process act as an agent?

[08-Jun-2011 11:06:52] <rmatte> Zenoss is really pull only as far as I'm aware... but you could have the process dump the results in nagios format to somewhere that Zenoss can pull them from

[08-Jun-2011 11:07:04] <rmatte> a website or something

[08-Jun-2011 11:08:45] <fragfutter> rmatte: ok.

[08-Jun-2011 11:09:40] <fragfutter> rmatte: i assume one could write a custom perf collector that accepts pushed data and then delivers them to zenoss. It would also internaly do the freshness stuff.

[08-Jun-2011 11:10:45] <rmatte> oh you could certainly do that if you were willing to put the time in

[08-Jun-2011 11:10:58] <rmatte> just write a daemon that accepts input via whatever protocol and then passes it on to Zenoss

[08-Jun-2011 11:13:19] <rmatte> you'd have to create a custom datapoint type for that to work

[08-Jun-2011 11:13:22] <fragfutter> rmatte: yeah. if i'm getting bored. I prefer active checks anyway.

[08-Jun-2011 11:13:39] <rmatte> I'm not a fan of pushing data, much better to poll

[08-Jun-2011 11:13:41] <fragfutter> rmatte: i was simply asked. we have a nagios vs zenoss evaluation.

[08-Jun-2011 11:13:44] <rmatte> I hate agent based monitoring

[08-Jun-2011 11:29:29] <forsberg> hmmz

[08-Jun-2011 11:32:13] <Sam-I-Am> moo.

[08-Jun-2011 11:54:13] <JohnnyNoc> i'm beginning to think Sam-I-Am has a cow fetish

[08-Jun-2011 11:54:15] <JohnnyNoc>

[08-Jun-2011 11:54:45] <Sam-I-Am> naw, they're just trendy

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[08-Jun-2011 12:02:31] <JohnnyNoc> i prefer bears

[08-Jun-2011 12:02:36] <JohnnyNoc> 4chan stylee

[08-Jun-2011 12:03:14] <Sam-I-Am> heh

[08-Jun-2011 12:04:19] <JohnnyNoc> you know, free candy and all

[08-Jun-2011 12:20:40] <rmatte> lol

[08-Jun-2011 12:21:07] <rmatte> I remember one guy that I met on IRC years ago who's nick was "IThinkCowsAreNeat"

[08-Jun-2011 12:21:45] <rmatte> and to Matt who just joined what I just said makes zero sense

[08-Jun-2011 12:21:57] <rmatte> [11:53am] <JohnnyNoc> i'm beginning to think Sam-I-Am has a cow fetish

[08-Jun-2011 12:21:57] <rmatte> [11:53am] <JohnnyNoc>

[08-Jun-2011 12:21:58] <rmatte> [11:54am] <Sam-I-Am> naw, they're just trendy

[08-Jun-2011 12:25:30] <Sam-I-Am> heh

[08-Jun-2011 13:37:51] <Jane_Curry> Anyone here played with Administered Objects in Core to restrict a users view / permissions on stuff??

[08-Jun-2011 13:38:29] <uifjlh1> yes, in my "alpha testing" it worked ok

[08-Jun-2011 13:38:48] <uifjlh1> I was doing a proof of concept  & was able to enable & use that option

[08-Jun-2011 13:39:15] <Jane_Curry> alpha testing of what??  I am on Core 3.1

[08-Jun-2011 13:39:35] <uifjlh1> it was my "alpha" ...

[08-Jun-2011 13:39:44] <uifjlh1> I was using the core 3.1 VM

[08-Jun-2011 13:39:44] <Jane_Curry> on 3.1???

[08-Jun-2011 13:39:59] <Jane_Curry> OK - same version as me then.

[08-Jun-2011 13:40:39] <uifjlh1> I'm actually working on building my production machine this afternoon

[08-Jun-2011 13:40:51] <Jane_Curry> I am trying to prevent sight of "unauthorised devices" entirely whilst providing view access to "authorised devices"

[08-Jun-2011 13:41:11] <Jane_Curry> where "authorised devices" are defined by Administered Objects

[08-Jun-2011 13:41:24] <uifjlh1> yes, I downloaded the Virtual Machine Image & worked with that for quite a few weeks, just to see how it worked

[08-Jun-2011 13:45:02] <lucasoman> quick question, I see numbers on the y axis like "210m" or "120u"

[08-Jun-2011 13:45:13] <lucasoman> what are the units "m" and "u"?

[08-Jun-2011 13:48:23] <Sam-I-Am> milli and micro maybe?

[08-Jun-2011 13:48:48] <lucasoman> well, that's what I was thinking, but it doesn't really make sense in the context

[08-Jun-2011 13:49:02] <Sam-I-Am> howso?

[08-Jun-2011 13:49:09] <lucasoman> unless it's a very low amount or it's zero and a fp calculation error

[08-Jun-2011 13:49:39] <Sam-I-Am> i've had weird things cause 'm' but modified a lot of graphs to prevent it from happening

[08-Jun-2011 13:49:51] <Sam-I-Am> at least ones where i know what the units will be

[08-Jun-2011 13:50:31] <lucasoman> it was memcache evictions

[08-Jun-2011 13:50:48] <lucasoman> so i guess the average... per minute? is so slow

[08-Jun-2011 13:50:56] <lucasoman> er is so low

[08-Jun-2011 13:51:12] <Hackman238> hellow all

[08-Jun-2011 13:51:18] <Sam-I-Am> the averages could be really low

[08-Jun-2011 13:51:25] <lucasoman> so... kudos for our caching, i guess

[08-Jun-2011 14:06:17] <uifjlh1> does Zenoss run in native 64 bit mode ?

[08-Jun-2011 14:07:00] <Sam-I-Am> yes, for what i understand as native

[08-Jun-2011 14:07:45] <uifjlh1> just making sure if I install a 64bit OS, the application will run native

[08-Jun-2011 14:42:31] <rmatte> uifjlh1: that's the reason why there's a 64bit version of it

[08-Jun-2011 14:42:31] <rmatte> lol

[08-Jun-2011 14:42:37] <rmatte> otherwise there would just be one version

[08-Jun-2011 14:43:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: Howd the IPSLA pack work?

[08-Jun-2011 15:09:48] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: heard from your peeps

[08-Jun-2011 15:10:09] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: In late today

[08-Jun-2011 15:10:18] <Sam-I-Am> i mean... i did

[08-Jun-2011 15:34:08] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Oh, what'd they say?

[08-Jun-2011 15:34:44] <Sam-I-Am> just asking to chat with the recruiting folks

[08-Jun-2011 15:35:05] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Not sure what you mean

[08-Jun-2011 15:35:42] <Sam-I-Am> probably going to briefly review stuff, explain the company, etc... then set up something with someone more technical/managementy

[08-Jun-2011 15:42:33] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Oh gotcha

[08-Jun-2011 16:23:59] <kerick> is there any way to set a custom property based on group?

[08-Jun-2011 16:35:19] <rmatte> no, they are global

[08-Jun-2011 16:35:26] <rmatte> same as zproperties

[08-Jun-2011 16:35:40] <rmatte> and groups don't have properties

[08-Jun-2011 16:36:12] <rmatte> you could write a script that says if device is in this group then set whatever to this and have it run every few minutes or something

[08-Jun-2011 16:36:18] <rmatte> but that's the only way I can think of to do that

[08-Jun-2011 16:36:35] <rmatte> why wouldn't you just create a new device class for those particular devices?

[08-Jun-2011 16:41:04] <kerick> we are looking for a way to put admins/groups in the alert mails for our itsm system

[08-Jun-2011 16:41:31] <kerick> i might just go the script way actually

[08-Jun-2011 16:48:02] <rmatte> great a huge thunderstorm just hit here

[08-Jun-2011 16:48:20] <rmatte> I can't walk to the bus until it lets up or I'll be soaked

[08-Jun-2011 16:50:24] <kerick> at least there is no hail...

[08-Jun-2011 16:50:39] <uifjlh1> my new Zenoss Core Instance is up & running !

[08-Jun-2011 16:52:24] <rmatte> congrats

[08-Jun-2011 16:52:39] <rmatte> kerick: there's hail across town apparently

[08-Jun-2011 16:53:35] <kerick> ick

[08-Jun-2011 16:54:56] <kerick> rmatte: Good Luck!

[08-Jun-2011 16:56:34] <rmatte> nice, so I have ssh disk thresholds kicking off for a solaris box, but Zenoss isn't actually populating the name of the filesystem as the component in the event

[08-Jun-2011 16:56:38] <rmatte> that's really useful

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[08-Jun-2011 17:26:37] <rmatte> eugh, this is so stupid, Zenoss should be setting the component to the name of the component

[08-Jun-2011 17:46:27] <uifjlh1> Why do some zenpacks install from the gui & some don't ?

[08-Jun-2011 17:48:20] <Sam-I-Am> i usually do them all from the command line

[08-Jun-2011 17:48:23] <Sam-I-Am> they all work that way

[08-Jun-2011 17:52:30] <uifjlh1> OK, I'll give that a try, the GUI works & then it doesn't ... not overly surprised

[08-Jun-2011 18:00:38] <rmatte> some packs take too long to install so the GUI times out

[08-Jun-2011 18:00:44] <rmatte> always better to install them from commandline

[08-Jun-2011 18:02:33] <rmatte> My god, people find bugs and don't file bug reports

[08-Jun-2011 18:02:34] <rmatte> thread/6154

[08-Jun-2011 18:02:42] <rmatte> as far as I can tell there was never a patch made for that

[08-Jun-2011 18:04:31] <rmatte> oh, wait, I see what's going on

[08-Jun-2011 18:06:09] <rmatte> I think that's not the problem, the problem is that the creator of this template never put ${here/id} as the component in the template

[08-Jun-2011 18:06:12] <rmatte> time to test and see

[08-Jun-2011 18:07:18] <rmatte> yeh that's exactly what it was

[08-Jun-2011 18:13:37] <rmatte> I actually ended up putting ${here/mount} works nicely

[08-Jun-2011 19:43:47] <rmatte> time to head home, later all (though most have probably already left)

[08-Jun-2011 19:44:31] <hmp> its 2am here, time to code

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[09-Jun-2011 04:15:05] <stk__> hello, I'm using Zenoss to monitor some of the OS Processes running on Linux servers

[09-Jun-2011 04:15:32] <stk__> However, I need to do logrotate with those processes

[09-Jun-2011 04:16:13] <stk__> so everytime the processes is down for logrotate

[09-Jun-2011 04:16:25] <stk__> Zenoss will be sending messages

[09-Jun-2011 04:16:52] <stk__> I wonder if there is something I can do

[09-Jun-2011 04:17:07] <stk__> to stop Zenoss from sending message with logrotating

[09-Jun-2011 04:18:26] <froztbyte> make a transform that suppresses the event during the times you run logrotate

[09-Jun-2011 04:18:43] <fragfutter> stk__: don't notify on process restart (your processes should restart fast enough i hope). Make an escalation count that requires more then one down-count before sending an alert (delays notification when this happens outsode of logrotate). Make a daily maintenance window window on the device.

[09-Jun-2011 04:19:56] <froztbyte> 4 solutions!

[09-Jun-2011 04:19:58] <froztbyte> how fantastic

[09-Jun-2011 04:20:10] <fragfutter> but its python...

[09-Jun-2011 04:20:21] <fragfutter> ... there should be only one obvious solution!

[09-Jun-2011 04:20:44] <fragfutter> it isn't perl!

[09-Jun-2011 04:21:40] <stk__> awesome

[09-Jun-2011 04:21:45] <stk__> thank you guys :-)

[09-Jun-2011 04:22:38] <froztbyte> fragfutter: that part of the pep is never one I really agreed with

[09-Jun-2011 04:25:25] <forsberg> \o/ solved the server version unavailble problem with the perl sdk to vmware

[09-Jun-2011 04:25:46] <forsberg> that was some bullshit, extreemely unlucky combo of yum and cpan installs

[09-Jun-2011 04:25:57] <fragfutter> hehe

[09-Jun-2011 04:31:14] <fragfutter> when someone leaves a comment with an event. can i send an email containing this comment?

[09-Jun-2011 04:38:50] <fragfutter> and is there some static URL to the event details? One that doesn't change the moment an event is archived

[09-Jun-2011 04:40:47] <froztbyte> not sure, haven't fiddled with the email stuff much

[09-Jun-2011 04:41:04] <froztbyte> events are stored by UUID though, so you might be able to do something using that

[09-Jun-2011 04:55:40] <fragfutter> froztbyte: the problem is, as long as an event is active, it can be reached through zport/dmd/Events/viewDetail?evid=... once archived it becomes zport/dmd/Events/viewHistoryDetail?evid=...

[09-Jun-2011 04:56:07] <fragfutter> so links in emails become outdated

[09-Jun-2011 07:59:43] <forsberg> anyone knows if docs/DOC-10225 the esxi monitor works on esxi 3.5 and older ?

[09-Jun-2011 07:59:50] <forsberg> or is it 4.0+ only ( as i thought)

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[09-Jun-2011 09:07:18] <Sam-I-Am> moo.

[09-Jun-2011 09:07:27] <fragfutter> woof

[09-Jun-2011 09:07:29] <Simon4> grrrr

[09-Jun-2011 09:07:56] <Sam-I-Am> meow

[09-Jun-2011 09:08:09] <fragfutter> ah, sam must be a parrot

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[09-Jun-2011 09:12:32] <Sam-I-Am> fragfutter: oh no, you figured me out

[09-Jun-2011 09:13:07] <fragfutter> Sam-I-Am: at least something i figured out today.

[09-Jun-2011 09:15:24] <Sam-I-Am> better than nothing!

[09-Jun-2011 09:21:58] <Hackman238> Hey all

[09-Jun-2011 09:22:05] <Sam-I-Am> yo yo yo

[09-Jun-2011 09:22:15] <Sam-I-Am> or should i say 'moo' since thats apparently what people know me for

[09-Jun-2011 09:22:16] <Hackman238> How goes the war?

[09-Jun-2011 09:22:32] <Sam-I-Am> it goes

[09-Jun-2011 09:22:39] <Sam-I-Am> doing well on a couple of fronts

[09-Jun-2011 09:23:23] <Sam-I-Am> new opportunities ahead, langoliers quickly closing in from behind

[09-Jun-2011 09:25:48] <fragfutter> run forrest run!

[09-Jun-2011 09:25:49] <Hackman238> LOL

[09-Jun-2011 09:26:43] <Sam-I-Am> heh

[09-Jun-2011 09:26:43] * Simon4 is fighting an IPSEC tunnel that's suddenly dropped from 1G speed to 350Mbit

[09-Jun-2011 09:26:51] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: did you check for dump trucks?

[09-Jun-2011 09:26:52] <Simon4> stupid cisco asr's

[09-Jun-2011 09:27:09] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: it's a possibility

[09-Jun-2011 09:27:13] <Hackman238> Simon4: yikes

[09-Jun-2011 09:27:20] <Simon4> although if I make it a GRE tunnel it magically speeds up again

[09-Jun-2011 09:27:32] <Simon4> so it's like it's process switching the ipsec somewhere, which it's not supposed to do

[09-Jun-2011 09:27:41] <Sam-I-Am> gre as in... no encryption?

[09-Jun-2011 09:27:49] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: yeah, not a valid production configuration

[09-Jun-2011 09:27:52] <Sam-I-Am> heh

[09-Jun-2011 09:31:43] <Sam-I-Am> i love how people around here merely cut and paste configs from other devices and forget to actually look at them

[09-Jun-2011 09:31:55] <Sam-I-Am> sure does amplify errors quickly

[09-Jun-2011 09:33:36] <Simon4> hah, that would make life very fun

[09-Jun-2011 09:41:10] * Sam-I-Am facepalm

[09-Jun-2011 10:10:40] <rmatte> hello all

[09-Jun-2011 10:12:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: Hows it going?

[09-Jun-2011 10:12:15] <rmatte> good good, got a ton ton yesterday

[09-Jun-2011 10:12:18] <rmatte> the war continues

[09-Jun-2011 10:12:32] <Hackman238> rmatte: Glad to hear. The front goes well here also.

[09-Jun-2011 10:12:43] <rmatte> good stuff

[09-Jun-2011 10:12:46] <Hackman238> rmatte: IPSLA working for ya?

[09-Jun-2011 10:13:36] <rmatte> just working on that right now... had to shut the VM down and increase the RAM on it from 2.5 to 3.5GB

[09-Jun-2011 10:13:48] <rmatte> since the load on that box has increased quite a bit lately

[09-Jun-2011 10:13:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: Gotcha.

[09-Jun-2011 10:14:06] <rmatte> once it's back up I'll be installing the packs

[09-Jun-2011 10:14:27] <rmatte> lovely, doing an error check on the filesystems

[09-Jun-2011 10:14:27] <rmatte> lol

[09-Jun-2011 10:14:29] <Hackman238> rmatte: Let me know if you run in to anything. I've 7 other people with large installs using the V3 with no issues, you're my only 2.5.x user I know of

[09-Jun-2011 10:14:40] <rmatte> will do

[09-Jun-2011 10:14:46] <Hackman238> rmatte: Probably a good time to grab some coffee LOL

[09-Jun-2011 10:14:57] <rmatte> I'm not really a coffee drinker

[09-Jun-2011 10:15:00] <rmatte> lol

[09-Jun-2011 10:15:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: MD?

[09-Jun-2011 10:15:15] <rmatte> MD?

[09-Jun-2011 10:15:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: Mountain Dew?

[09-Jun-2011 10:15:41] <rmatte> oh, nah, coke/redbull/juice/iced tea, stuff like that

[09-Jun-2011 10:15:58] <rmatte> I used to drink a lot of mountain dew code red at one point

[09-Jun-2011 10:16:10] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL

[09-Jun-2011 10:18:33] <rmatte> http://news.hitb.org/content/lulzsec-hacks-security-firm-black-berg

[09-Jun-2011 10:18:36] <rmatte> seen that?

[09-Jun-2011 10:19:31] <rmatte> I want to punch whichever ubuntu developer who thought it was a good idea to have a bootup splash screen in Ubuntu Server after version 8.04

[09-Jun-2011 10:19:45] <rmatte> sure it can be disabled, but you have to do it every damn time you upgrade the kernel

[09-Jun-2011 10:20:17] <fragfutter> rmatte: you can disable it by default.

[09-Jun-2011 10:20:26] <rmatte> fragfutter: how?

[09-Jun-2011 10:20:45] <fragfutter> rmatte: i need to think (or find a ubuntu box where i changed it)

[09-Jun-2011 10:20:47] <rmatte> every guide I've seen gives the same old "edit menu.lst and remove quiet / splash"

[09-Jun-2011 10:21:45] <fragfutter> rmatte: modify the variable GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub

[09-Jun-2011 10:22:02] <rmatte> ah

[09-Jun-2011 10:22:42] <rmatte> I don't even have a /etc/default/grub file

[09-Jun-2011 10:22:58] <fragfutter> grub or grub2?

[09-Jun-2011 10:23:02] <fragfutter> which ubuntu version?

[09-Jun-2011 10:23:10] <rmatte> 10.04 LTS

[09-Jun-2011 10:23:17] <rmatte> no grub at all

[09-Jun-2011 10:23:31] <fragfutter> lilo? elilo?

[09-Jun-2011 10:23:38] <fragfutter> you sure have grub

[09-Jun-2011 10:23:42] <rmatte> nah the system is definitely using grub

[09-Jun-2011 10:23:53] <rmatte> root@nova01:/etc/default# pwd

[09-Jun-2011 10:23:53] <rmatte> root@nova01:/etc/default# ls -alh | grep grub

[09-Jun-2011 10:23:53] <rmatte> root@nova01:/etc/default#

[09-Jun-2011 10:24:00] <rmatte> bah

[09-Jun-2011 10:24:03] <rmatte> /etc/default

[09-Jun-2011 10:24:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: Nice article

[09-Jun-2011 10:24:09] <fragfutter> dpkg -l|grep grub

[09-Jun-2011 10:24:29] <rmatte> fragfutter: I'm 110% certain that it's using grub

[09-Jun-2011 10:24:40] <rmatte> because I've edited menu.lst to remove the splash in the past

[09-Jun-2011 10:24:42] <rmatte> it just doesn't stick

[09-Jun-2011 10:24:53] <Sam-I-Am> did you run the grub updater?

[09-Jun-2011 10:24:57] <Hackman238> fragfutter: aye, its grub.

[09-Jun-2011 10:25:03] <fragfutter> menu.lst is generated different between grub and grub2

[09-Jun-2011 10:25:16] <fragfutter> i think 10.04 was still on grub

[09-Jun-2011 10:25:25] <Sam-I-Am> update-grub ?

[09-Jun-2011 10:25:33] <rmatte> root@nova01:/boot/grub# dpkg -l | grep grub

[09-Jun-2011 10:25:33] <rmatte> ii  grub                                  0.97-29ubuntu60                          GRand Unified Bootloader (Legacy version)

[09-Jun-2011 10:25:33] <rmatte> ii  grub-common                           1.98-1ubuntu10                           GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (common

[09-Jun-2011 10:25:40] <Hackman238> fragfutter: best solution is to rm * -Rf and install RHEL5 ;-)

[09-Jun-2011 10:25:44] <rmatte> looks like I have a mix of packages

[09-Jun-2011 10:26:03] <fragfutter> for that you edit the menu.lst, at the beginning there is also a template

[09-Jun-2011 10:26:46] <rmatte> menu.lst gets replaced every time you upgrade the kernel though

[09-Jun-2011 10:26:50] <rmatte> so that's not very effective

[09-Jun-2011 10:27:01] <Sam-I-Am> it should just update it

[09-Jun-2011 10:27:09] <Sam-I-Am> and not change the options for splash screens

[09-Jun-2011 10:27:10] <fragfutter> rmatte: no, there is some magic section all comments. just read the whole file

[09-Jun-2011 10:27:22] <rmatte> nah, it's literally ask if you want to keep your version or install the package maintainer's version if you make mods to it

[09-Jun-2011 10:27:32] <rmatte> it'll*

[09-Jun-2011 10:27:34] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, i dont remember seeing that

[09-Jun-2011 10:27:36] <rmatte> I'll read it

[09-Jun-2011 10:27:47] <Sam-I-Am> i usually change some cruft in menu.lst

[09-Jun-2011 10:28:23] <fragfutter> rmatte: menu.lst has a AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST section

[09-Jun-2011 10:28:25] <rmatte> k, I'll figure it out

[09-Jun-2011 10:28:31] <rmatte> fragfutter: yeh, I just saw that

[09-Jun-2011 10:28:39] <fragfutter> rmatte: and there is a default options

[09-Jun-2011 10:29:03] <rmatte> yeh, the default options are what I'd be looking for

[09-Jun-2011 10:29:18] <rmatte> I'll try it and see if it works

[09-Jun-2011 10:30:26] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: you could edit the things in /etc/grub.d if you have that dir

[09-Jun-2011 10:30:40] <Sam-I-Am> there is a startup script for splashes at least on debian

[09-Jun-2011 10:30:57] <rmatte> yeh I do, but I'd rather do it via config file if possible

[09-Jun-2011 10:32:48] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm

[09-Jun-2011 10:33:22] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: edit /etc/default/grub ?

[09-Jun-2011 10:33:30] <Sam-I-Am> that seems to be the place ubuntu stuffs some of its mods

[09-Jun-2011 10:33:42] <Sam-I-Am> and it doesnt get changed with kernels

[09-Jun-2011 10:33:50] <fragfutter> Sam-I-Am: that is for grub2. it sounds like rmatte is having grub1 (grub-legacy)

[09-Jun-2011 10:33:53] * Sam-I-Am realized his head is spinning from all the changes in grub across his 3 or 4 boxes

[09-Jun-2011 10:34:04] <Sam-I-Am> stupid bootloaders

[09-Jun-2011 10:34:28] <fragfutter> Sam-I-Am: wait till you also need to handle BIOS vs UEFI

[09-Jun-2011 10:35:46] <Sam-I-Am> fragfutter: i'm running 9.04 or something on this box

[09-Jun-2011 10:36:17] <Sam-I-Am> i think /etc/default/grub is on most debianish/ubuntuish systems

[09-Jun-2011 10:36:47] <fragfutter> check which package brought it. dpkg -S /etc/default/grub

[09-Jun-2011 10:37:11] <Sam-I-Am> nerd fight!

[09-Jun-2011 10:38:50] <fragfutter> and then check which version of the package it is. i'm pretty sure that grub1 has no /etc/default/grub it came with grub2.

[09-Jun-2011 10:39:44] <Sam-I-Am> awesome

[09-Jun-2011 10:39:48] <Sam-I-Am> thought this 9.04 box was old enough...

[09-Jun-2011 10:40:28] <fragfutter> Sam-I-Am: only two years old

[09-Jun-2011 10:40:41] <Sam-I-Am> thought grub2 was newer than that

[09-Jun-2011 10:44:54] <rmatte> k, today's google logo was cool for the first 5 minutes, now it's just getting annoying

[09-Jun-2011 10:45:17] <rmatte> every time I drag my mouse over it to the top of the browser "wtf was that? oh."

[09-Jun-2011 10:46:04] <rmatte> Nick, long time no see

[09-Jun-2011 10:46:05] <rmatte>

[09-Jun-2011 10:46:11] <rmatte> they working you hard over there?

[09-Jun-2011 10:46:18] <nyeates> Hi Ryan, Yes definetely

[09-Jun-2011 10:46:22] <rmatte>

[09-Jun-2011 10:46:32] <nyeates> wouldnt get stuff done if i stayed in here all day ;-)

[09-Jun-2011 10:46:35] <fragfutter> nyeates: where is the dog?

[09-Jun-2011 10:46:37] <rmatte> true

[09-Jun-2011 10:46:45] <rmatte> we're too demanding lol

[09-Jun-2011 10:47:12] <nyeates> Ive gotta do the same to our internal chats.... just info overload sometimes

[09-Jun-2011 10:48:31] <nyeates> frag, what do you mean?

[09-Jun-2011 10:49:09] <nyeates> There is no mgmt here today

[09-Jun-2011 10:49:25] <fragfutter> nyeates: you wanted to complement sam-the-cow with nyaetes-the-dog

[09-Jun-2011 10:49:40] <Sam-I-Am> lol

[09-Jun-2011 10:50:22] <nyeates> OHH haha.....WOOF

[09-Jun-2011 10:56:15] <Hackman238> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9217461/Police_Mac_technician_installed_spyware_to_photograph_women

[09-Jun-2011 10:59:45] <nyeates> heh hackman....they took their machines into their showers....just like the good macbook told them to

[09-Jun-2011 11:00:02] <Sam-I-Am> macs repel water

[09-Jun-2011 11:00:06] <Sam-I-Am> and pc users

[09-Jun-2011 11:00:15] <Hackman238> nyeates: It amazing what people fall for...

[09-Jun-2011 11:00:16] <nyeates> more so than dells and toshibas, etc

[09-Jun-2011 11:00:31] <rmatte> Linux repels all

[09-Jun-2011 11:00:35] <Hackman238> LOL

[09-Jun-2011 11:00:48] <Sam-I-Am> its the aura of steve jobs surrounding it

[09-Jun-2011 11:00:51] <nyeates> lemme go wrangle our dev...

[09-Jun-2011 11:00:55] <Hackman238> I'm afraid most of our society lacks any critical thinking capability at this point :-/

[09-Jun-2011 11:00:56] <Sam-I-Am> for better protection, affix a black turtleneck

[09-Jun-2011 11:01:15] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: thinking more than required for facebook and twitter posts?

[09-Jun-2011 11:01:29] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Exactly LOL

[09-Jun-2011 11:01:51] pmcguire is now known as ptmcg

[09-Jun-2011 11:03:02] <Jane_Curry> Administered Objects - beware of the leopard!!!

[09-Jun-2011 11:03:08] <rmatte> oh, it is Thursday isn't it?

[09-Jun-2011 11:03:19] <rmatte> didn't click until the opage

[09-Jun-2011 11:03:22] <Jane_Curry> Never could get the hang of Thursdays

[09-Jun-2011 11:03:31] <nyeates> dgarcia_ you around? ... couldnt get you on skype

[09-Jun-2011 11:04:11] <jmp242> zensyslog doesn't have an option to log all syslogs to a file does it?

[09-Jun-2011 11:04:29] <nyeates> switches will now supposedly support communication to facebook, twitter, linkedin ..... not sure how that will work

[09-Jun-2011 11:04:43] <jmp242> all evil!!!

[09-Jun-2011 11:04:46] <Jane_Curry> <jmp242> - simple event transform????

[09-Jun-2011 11:04:58] <jmp242> I was thinking event command

[09-Jun-2011 11:05:07] <dgarcia_> nick: my skype client silently crashes sometimes

[09-Jun-2011 11:05:11] <jmp242> but yes, that probably is a better and much less of a performance hit

[09-Jun-2011 11:05:21] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: network switches?

[09-Jun-2011 11:05:32] <Jane_Curry> so when do we expect 3.1.1?

[09-Jun-2011 11:05:34] <fragfutter> jmp242: have an rsyslog before zensyslog. allows filtering with a very high performance.

[09-Jun-2011 11:05:35] <rmatte> jmp242: event command won't work as well since it'll only trigger when the event count is 1, so if Zenoss groups syslogs it'll only trigger for the first.

[09-Jun-2011 11:05:54] <nyeates> Sam-I-Am: enterasys swithces

[09-Jun-2011 11:06:11] <rmatte> I've worked with enterasys switches before, those things are beasts

[09-Jun-2011 11:06:45] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: guess they'll send all their interface drop alerts to twitter.  guess twitter is the new zenoss?

[09-Jun-2011 11:06:51] <rmatte> lol

[09-Jun-2011 11:07:12] <rmatte> "Enterasys Switch would like to add you as a friend, would you like to accept?"

[09-Jun-2011 11:07:13] <jmp242> good god I hope not

[09-Jun-2011 11:07:24] <kerick_> why would you want to publically post infrastructure messages?

[09-Jun-2011 11:07:27] <jmp242> You've about listed the services I plan to never use

[09-Jun-2011 11:07:32] <Sam-I-Am> i've managed enterasys switches and probably wouldnt friend one :/

[09-Jun-2011 11:07:35] <jmp242> Skype, Facebook, Twitter

[09-Jun-2011 11:07:37] <jmp242> grrr

[09-Jun-2011 11:07:44] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: haha agreed

[09-Jun-2011 11:07:48] <nyeates> Jane_Curry: 3.1.1 will come out after a release of GA Avalon Enterprise. Best guess is July or Aug

[09-Jun-2011 11:08:02] <rmatte> jmp242: I use facebook and linkedin, but that's as far as I go

[09-Jun-2011 11:08:16] <jmp242> ever been to a H.O.P.E. conference?

[09-Jun-2011 11:08:21] <Sam-I-Am> i havent quite figured out the purpose of linkedin

[09-Jun-2011 11:08:29] <rmatte> nyeates: since it was a topic at the last dev meeting, any word on the relstorage situation?

[09-Jun-2011 11:08:40] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: seriously?

[09-Jun-2011 11:08:44] <jmp242> the Steve Raunbaum (sp) presentation, I never use facebook

[09-Jun-2011 11:08:58] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: its always just been a subset of people i know on facebook

[09-Jun-2011 11:09:04] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: It's for networking with people that you've worked with previously... can provide good job leads.

[09-Jun-2011 11:09:12] <Sam-I-Am> thats what i thought its intention was

[09-Jun-2011 11:09:14] <Sam-I-Am> i just use irc

[09-Jun-2011 11:09:26] <Simon4> linkedin is very much recruitment based here in the UK

[09-Jun-2011 11:09:28] <Jane_Curry> nyeates: does this mean that there will be a GA of Avalon Enterprise before GA of Avalon Core????

[09-Jun-2011 11:09:29] <nyeates> I used LinkedIn to get in touch with a hiring manager that knew an ex collegaue...got me in the door and i got an offer

[09-Jun-2011 11:09:31] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: I like that it's business oriented and you can post a sort of resume on it

[09-Jun-2011 11:09:43] <Sam-I-Am> maybe i should use it more

[09-Jun-2011 11:09:54] <fragfutter> *cough* dev chat?

[09-Jun-2011 11:10:06] <Sam-I-Am> fragfutter: developing connections

[09-Jun-2011 11:10:10] <jmp242> sorry fragfutter - we've been OT lately for some reason

[09-Jun-2011 11:10:22] <Hackman238> jmp242: indeed

[09-Jun-2011 11:10:34] <jmp242> We need a zenoss-watercooler lol

[09-Jun-2011 11:10:45] <Hackman238> LOL

[09-Jun-2011 11:10:56] <nyeates> frag, feel free to start us off... got some dev questions for dgarcia or ptmcg?

[09-Jun-2011 11:10:58] <Jane_Curry> This IS the Zenoss watercooler

[09-Jun-2011 11:11:03] <rmatte> nyeates: relstorage situation, any news?

[09-Jun-2011 11:11:17] <fragfutter> relstorage, release dates (as mentioned)

[09-Jun-2011 11:11:25] <Jane_Curry> nyeates: does this mean that there will be a GA of Avalon Enterprise before GA of Avalon Core????

[09-Jun-2011 11:11:35] <jmp242> +1 to Jane_Curry's question

[09-Jun-2011 11:12:34] <Jane_Curry> well that froze up the water cooler

[09-Jun-2011 11:12:44] <rmatte> lol

[09-Jun-2011 11:13:02] <Hackman238> nyeates: That reminds me- we're having a disasterous time test migrating very large numbers of objects to Avalon and we need to talk about solutions.

[09-Jun-2011 11:13:06] <nyeates> Jane: Likely this is so. This time around at least, we are releasing Enterprise first. It does not say anything about how Core will be released, etc. Just that Enterprise is coming out first.

[09-Jun-2011 11:13:47] <nyeates> Beyond that, I do not know much more and will be finding out soon.

[09-Jun-2011 11:14:06] <Hackman238> nyeates: Will 3.1.1 have the zenhub patches included?

[09-Jun-2011 11:14:12] <Hackman238> nyeates: (core)

[09-Jun-2011 11:14:14] <nyeates> There IS going to be a core. Bill has stated this. Release is geting switched around.

[09-Jun-2011 11:14:30] <rocket> Hackman238: as far as I know those patches will be in 3.1.1

[09-Jun-2011 11:14:31] <Jane_Curry> nyeates: would you mind feeding back to Mr Karpovich that this is exactly the sort of reason why we are nervous about the future of Core

[09-Jun-2011 11:14:35] <nyeates> Hackman238: I would have to check on that.

[09-Jun-2011 11:15:23] <dgarcia_> Hackman238: The zenhub patches are already available in the public repo.

[09-Jun-2011 11:16:44] <nyeates> Sure I will tell Bill. I think that the community is going toward a decent place. We will be getting plans out to everyone soon. Im going to push for a blog post.

[09-Jun-2011 11:17:01] <Hackman238> nyeates: rocket: gotcha. I've been reverse engineering them to work with 2.5.2 with awesome success, but I wasnted to be sure the solution would go through QA before I promise a solution to v3 clients

[09-Jun-2011 11:17:18] <dgarcia_> Hackman: which patches are you referring to ?

[09-Jun-2011 11:17:31] <rocket> dgarcia_: the invalidation queue patches

[09-Jun-2011 11:17:43] <Jane_Curry> but the whole point of an Enterprise based on an open source Core is tha you can test most of it with all that nice free testing community......

[09-Jun-2011 11:18:55] <rocket> Jane_Curry: based on what I have heard in an all hands meeting, this release is the exception to the rule.

[09-Jun-2011 11:19:28] <nyeates> Yes, agreed with rocket

[09-Jun-2011 11:19:38] <rocket> Jane_Curry: again I am not an official spokes person, but that is my impression.  I do not know future plans other than what I have currently been told

[09-Jun-2011 11:20:10] <Jane_Curry> What chance have I of getting patches to Administered Objects into 3.1.1 Core???

[09-Jun-2011 11:20:45] <Jane_Curry> Administered Objects are currently really unusable - just entered 3 more tickets

[09-Jun-2011 11:21:47] <nyeates> We will have to check those out in defect review. Im not sure if 3.1.1 is closed down or not... any devs know?

[09-Jun-2011 11:21:53] <nyeates> *3.1.1 core

[09-Jun-2011 11:21:54] <rocket> Jane_Curry: they should be going through our defect review process .. what are the ticket numbers?

[09-Jun-2011 11:22:39] <Jane_Curry> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/7848,7849, 7850 plus an earlier 7838 - it's a dog's breakfast!

[09-Jun-2011 11:23:06] <dgarcia_> rocket: i'll have to get back to you on the zenhub patches. I don't see them in the public repo.

[09-Jun-2011 11:25:26] <Jane_Curry> and http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/7837 -> 4168

[09-Jun-2011 11:25:52] <rocket> nick can you keep track of those tickets for jane?

[09-Jun-2011 11:26:23] <nyeates> yeah ill make sure they are reviewed next tues

[09-Jun-2011 11:26:26] <rocket> Jane obviously the Defect review process will prioritize the tickets based on severity and man power until the release

[09-Jun-2011 11:26:27] <dgarcia_> we haven't started the process for the 3.1.1 release; the scope of what will be in 3.1.1 has not been finallized

[09-Jun-2011 11:26:34] <ptmcg> I just retro-patched an Avalon bug back to the internal 3.1.x branch - right now we are pretty much flat out on Avalon hardening, after which we'll spell out what patches to go into 3.1.1 release, core or whatever.

[09-Jun-2011 11:27:13] <rocket> Jane_Curry: being aware of the impact does help us make the case for engineering of course ..

[09-Jun-2011 11:27:24] <Jane_Curry> Some of my Administerd Object bugs I think stem from the fact that sometimes the device counts in the left-hand menu are wrong

[09-Jun-2011 11:27:46] <Jane_Curry> .. and I am not mis-counting for devices not in the Production state.

[09-Jun-2011 11:28:14] <nyeates> We have had some similar issues before with the traffic lights (colored dots) counting wrong

[09-Jun-2011 11:28:15] <Jane_Curry> I have a location with 9 devices init - that show happily in the main window - but the device count against that location is zero

[09-Jun-2011 11:29:05] <Jane_Curry> This may be why the Event Console assocaited with the location shows zero events, even though the included devices do have events against them

[09-Jun-2011 11:29:29] <Jane_Curry> Can anyone else here confirm that they see incorrect device counts in the left-hand 3.1 menu???

[09-Jun-2011 11:30:14] <fragfutter> Jane_Curry: can't confirm. but never counted if they match

[09-Jun-2011 11:30:49] <nyeates> same with me

[09-Jun-2011 11:31:16] <Jane_Curry> rocket: The impact on all the Administered Objects stuff is that it is very hard to partition your estate for different users

[09-Jun-2011 11:31:58] <nyeates> Jane, we will look at the tickets on tues. Put all this info into the tickets, as that is where it will matter. Screenshots help most

[09-Jun-2011 11:32:00] <Jane_Curry> rocket: ... and couldn't possibly be anything to do with the ACLs ZenPack only being available for Enterprise

[09-Jun-2011 11:32:33] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: ..never LOL

[09-Jun-2011 11:32:47] <rocket> Jane_Curry: yes, but there has to be something people pay us for?

[09-Jun-2011 11:33:37] <nyeates> On another note, I want to point out a good conversation with respect to the new UI that went on in the forum here: message/59015

[09-Jun-2011 11:33:37] <Sam-I-Am> lol

[09-Jun-2011 11:34:13] <fragfutter> any new information about relstorage?

[09-Jun-2011 11:34:14] <nyeates> I am going to add some info about Zuul and routers (not network routers) to that convo, that happened internally

[09-Jun-2011 11:34:33] <nyeates> No new info about relstorage.

[09-Jun-2011 11:34:40] <mcgarnicle> k

[09-Jun-2011 11:34:57] <rmatte> k

[09-Jun-2011 11:35:34] <Hackman238> rocket: How can I add items to the ' + ' menu (Add meun in ZMI) in v3?

[09-Jun-2011 11:35:37] <nyeates> Any other specific UI questions anyone has come across? Now is time to ask devs here

[09-Jun-2011 11:36:14] <Hackman238> rocket: For the life of me I cant get anything extra to show up in that menu...even if I go in to the ZMI and add it manually.

[09-Jun-2011 11:36:35] <rmatte> Hackman238: there's probably some skin template file somewhere that it needs to go in to as well

[09-Jun-2011 11:36:37] <rocket> dgarcia_: that might be better for you to answer .. I havent had to do that yet ..

[09-Jun-2011 11:36:40] <Hackman238> rocket: The lower left gear menu ('More' in ZMI) works perfect

[09-Jun-2011 11:37:01] <Hackman238> rocket: I just dont get why the two menus would work differntly

[09-Jun-2011 11:37:20] <rocket> Hackman238: btw try and stay out of ZMI changes if you can do it another way.  There are issues with ZMI managed things not working properly after the fact

[09-Jun-2011 11:37:53] <rocket> Hackman238: we are slowly trying to get to the point where accessing something through the ZMI should never happen because of these unforseen issues.

[09-Jun-2011 11:38:16] <fragfutter> is it possible to get a static url for event-details? Using these urls in emails results in a lot of broken links if they are clicked later and someone solved the issue in the meantime.

[09-Jun-2011 11:38:22] <Hackman238> rocket: Agreed, Im not adding menus that way now, but I mean just for testing

[09-Jun-2011 11:38:50] <Hackman238> rocket: Basically what I'm saying is nothing I've tried or seen in any other pack has or can add anything to the 'Add' menu

[09-Jun-2011 11:39:01] <rocket> Hackman238: unless Danny or Paul know I would have to look it up

[09-Jun-2011 11:39:04] <Jane_Curry> Yeh - I found that menus added with the mib_utils zenpack don't uninstall nicely often

[09-Jun-2011 11:39:57] <Jane_Curry> Hackman238: +1 on augmenting the menus

[09-Jun-2011 11:39:58] <dgarcia_> i got some clarification on the zenhub patches, they should be in the public 3.1.x branch

[09-Jun-2011 11:40:10] <Hackman238> dgarcia_: Nice. TY

[09-Jun-2011 11:40:32] <Hackman238> dgarcia_: Would zenoss have a fit if I ported the patched to 2.5.2 and released them?

[09-Jun-2011 11:40:43] <Hackman238> *patches

[09-Jun-2011 11:41:14] <dgarcia_> i think it would be a problem, if you "didn't" release them

[09-Jun-2011 11:41:19] <Simon4> Hackman238: if they're in public branch it's all GPL no?

[09-Jun-2011 11:41:25] <dgarcia_> they would of course be community owned

[09-Jun-2011 11:41:39] <nyeates> I doubt there would be an issue. Depends on how you were thinking to 'release' it :-)

[09-Jun-2011 11:41:52] <Hackman238> rocket: could you check in to it for me? I've some zenpacks to make for v3/avalon and I hate submitting a ticket for dev info

[09-Jun-2011 11:42:24] <Hackman238> nyeates: Well essentially just a pack that installs to patch everything.

[09-Jun-2011 11:42:30] <rocket> Hackman238: I know you hate doing it .. but you will get better response that way because that way I cant forget to do it

[09-Jun-2011 11:42:44] <TheMacTech> I have a rather pressing issue with zenpacks, I have posted in the forums but got no answers

[09-Jun-2011 11:42:54] <Hackman238> nyeates: I've a copy of our entire HKG DC running the modified 2.5.2 zenhub patches like a champ

[09-Jun-2011 11:42:57] <Jane_Curry> can you ref the forum posts?

[09-Jun-2011 11:43:10] <TheMacTech> When you export a zenpack, it codes in the name, the version number, and the python version

[09-Jun-2011 11:43:15] <TheMacTech> let me check

[09-Jun-2011 11:43:39] <TheMacTech> thread/16150?tstart=0

[09-Jun-2011 11:43:40] <Hackman238> rocket: Alrighty. If I do a ticket and get dev info, can I release it so long as its not ent. code?

[09-Jun-2011 11:43:51] <nyeates> Hackman238: Very cool. Yeah it should be np.

[09-Jun-2011 11:43:56] <ptmcg> fragfutter: I'm looking at your event url question...

[09-Jun-2011 11:44:32] <TheMacTech> For the past few days when I use 'zenpack --install <zenpack name>'

[09-Jun-2011 11:44:32] <TheMacTech> I

[09-Jun-2011 11:44:32] <rocket> Hackman238: that should be fair game

[09-Jun-2011 11:44:32] <Hackman238> rocket: alrighty

[09-Jun-2011 11:44:32] <Hackman238> nyeates: alrighty

[09-Jun-2011 11:44:32] <TheMacTech> Sorry using a web client for the first time for IRC, I am on a cell modem connection from client site, apologies

[09-Jun-2011 11:44:53] <nyeates> Hackman: feel free to make a new zenpack page on the community and stick it in there. I am woefully behind on making pages for ones people just send to me.

[09-Jun-2011 11:45:16] <TheMacTech> My problem is before my path to zenpack root (after install) did not have the version number and python version appended to it, and for the past few days it now adds it

[09-Jun-2011 11:45:23] <Hackman238> nyeates: Alrighty. Does that automatically put my entry in for the contest?

[09-Jun-2011 11:45:23] <nyeates> also I am ironing out github submissions, but you can submit via git pull requests there too and ill accept

[09-Jun-2011 11:45:29] <TheMacTech> this changes my path to the zenpack's libexec folder that I call scripts from

[09-Jun-2011 11:45:39] <Hackman238> nyeates: I wont lie- I dislike github.

[09-Jun-2011 11:45:57] <Hackman238> nyeates: More of an svn guy LOL

[09-Jun-2011 11:46:18] <rocket> Hackman238: and with that the community will still benefit ..

[09-Jun-2011 11:46:19] <dgarcia_> TheMacTech: the naming convention is normal when you build/install an egg

[09-Jun-2011 11:46:35] <TheMacTech> I know when you export it

[09-Jun-2011 11:46:49] <TheMacTech> but when you install it always truncated it before

[09-Jun-2011 11:47:09] <TheMacTech> now if I change version number on a zenpack the path to the libexec of the zenpack will change

[09-Jun-2011 11:47:29] <dgarcia_> this is true, you will have to reinstall it

[09-Jun-2011 11:47:56] <rocket> TheMacTech: there is shorthand for the libexec path you should be using.  That should not be hardcoded.

[09-Jun-2011 11:48:08] <TheMacTech> use to be installing a zenpack called ZenPacks.MyCompany.MyDevice-1.0-2.6.egg would give /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/ZenPacks/Zenpacks.MyCompany.MyDevice/ZenPacks/MyCompany/MyDevice/

[09-Jun-2011 11:48:44] <TheMacTech> I know I found some hints to that in the forums, as it is not documented in the Zenoss docs, but hard coding should still work

[09-Jun-2011 11:49:21] <TheMacTech> but more importantly, the zenpack install behavior just changed on me after 2 years, and I would REALLY like to know why

[09-Jun-2011 11:49:21] <rocket> ${here/ZenPackManager/packs/ZenPacks.community.Foo/path}/libexec

[09-Jun-2011 11:49:24] <dgarcia_> don't hard code it. in ZenPack/org/Zenpackname/__init__ , you can add the libexec to your path

[09-Jun-2011 11:49:40] <Jane_Curry> TheMacTech: I have the whole lot in my egg-installed ZenPacks on my 2.5.2 system eg. ZenPacks.zenoss.LDAPMonitor-1.2.1-py2.4.egg is the directory under $ZENHOME/ZenPacks

[09-Jun-2011 11:49:43] <dgarcia_> see the ZenAWS zenpack for an example, it adds boto to the path

[09-Jun-2011 11:51:02] <nyeates> boto being a third party code library to manage amazon api comm's, btw

[09-Jun-2011 11:51:08] <Jane_Curry> TheMacTech: You get the shorter name if you have done a zenpack --link install and worked in development mode

[09-Jun-2011 11:51:45] <dgarcia_> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/browser/branches/zenoss-3.1.x/zenpacks/ZenPacks.zenoss.ZenAWS/ZenPacks/zenoss/ZenAWS/__init__.py

[09-Jun-2011 11:51:57] <TheMacTech> I will look into it, I basically need to include in my ZenPacks shell scripts that will be called from command datasources, and to have a repository where I can write some small files to

[09-Jun-2011 11:52:10] <TheMacTech> Thanks for the info, will DL that ZenPack and look into it

[09-Jun-2011 11:52:45] <TheMacTech> I can always write the files to /tmp, right now I was writing the to the /tests folder of the zenpack

[09-Jun-2011 11:53:24] <dgarcia_> you could also place symlinks to those scripts in the bin directory during zenpack install

[09-Jun-2011 11:53:56] <TheMacTech> which bin directory, inside the zenpack or in the linux os?

[09-Jun-2011 11:54:05] <dgarcia_> $ZENHOME/bin

[09-Jun-2011 11:54:08] <Hackman238> rocket: How much have you worked with Avalon?

[09-Jun-2011 11:54:14] <nyeates> ThaMacTech: In case you dont know, if you want to run local scripts (on zenoss box, not device box) from a datasource, make sure to uncheck the 'SSH' checkbox in the datapoint so that it runs a local script

[09-Jun-2011 11:54:23] <rocket> Hackman238: not much at all

[09-Jun-2011 11:54:23] <TheMacTech> I don't know how to have a ZenPack push files outside of its own folderstructure

[09-Jun-2011 11:54:25] <nyeates> ...dev back me up there though. Maybe im not understanding whole subject

[09-Jun-2011 11:55:04] <Hackman238> rocket: Darn. I'm finding that 500GB on /tmp and 500GB on /opt/zenoss isnt enough space to migrate our largest DC to relstorage

[09-Jun-2011 11:55:04] <ptmcg> fragfutter: the event URLs have the event id in them, but it sounds like that is only valid if the event hasn't been closed?

[09-Jun-2011 11:55:09] <Jane_Curry> TheMacTech: Here's an example...

[09-Jun-2011 11:55:32] <TheMacTech> I have no issues with my scripts working the way I want them on my zenoss VM where I develop them, having issues finding out how to transplant that in a good way to other zenoss machines

[09-Jun-2011 11:56:02] <fragfutter> ptmcg: correct. and after they are closed they change. zport/dmd/Events/viewDetail?evid=... once archived it becomes zport/dmd/Events/viewHistoryDetail?evid=...

[09-Jun-2011 11:56:03] <Hackman238> rocket: Fills right up during the migration op- acctually very scarey LOL

[09-Jun-2011 11:56:14] <TheMacTech> If there is a way to push my scripts out of the ZenPack folder structure on install that would be great

[09-Jun-2011 11:56:21] <rocket> Hackman238: what fills up?

[09-Jun-2011 11:56:22] <dgarcia_> Hackman238: in the __init__.py , install() will get called when the zenpack gets installed. During execution of this function you can install symlinks to $ZENHOME/bin from you libexec directory

[09-Jun-2011 11:56:45] <rocket> Hackman238: and this is the sort of thing that you can create a ticket for

[09-Jun-2011 11:56:50] <fragfutter> ptmcg: which is annoying if you click on an link in an alert and the event moved away. can't easily read the log/comments

[09-Jun-2011 11:57:02] <TheMacTech> Can I write any arbitrary code I want in the __init__.py file?

[09-Jun-2011 11:57:12] <dgarcia_> yes

[09-Jun-2011 11:57:40] <TheMacTech> hmmm, definitely will have to look at that, that would indeed solve my issue

[09-Jun-2011 11:57:50] <Hackman238> rocket: /tmp and /opt/zenoss and all the pysical RAM

[09-Jun-2011 11:58:07] <TheMacTech> I know that keeping all the scripts within the ZenPack structure wasn't the right way to go but didn't know how to escape it

[09-Jun-2011 11:58:20] <rocket> what in /opt/zenoss fills up?

[09-Jun-2011 11:58:48] <TheMacTech> I have an easy question, how do I add multiple email recipients to one alert rule, do I put them all in the field with a , seperating them?

[09-Jun-2011 11:58:48] <Jane_Curry> ${here/ZenPackManager/packs/ZenPacks.skills1st.WMIBackupCheck/path}/libexec/rem_file_age_wmi.py ${here/manageIp} "${here/zWinUser}" "${here/zWinPassword}" ${here/zWMIBackupDrive} ${here/zWMIBackupPath}

[09-Jun-2011 11:58:52] <Hackman238> rocket: Not sure yet- I'm retesting now after some tweaks. It must be some sort of huge temp file

[09-Jun-2011 11:59:09] <rocket> Hackman238: what are you migrating again?

[09-Jun-2011 11:59:19] <ptmcg> TheMacTech: Jane_Curry:  The zenpack __init__.py file will get a lot more interesting in Avalon, esp w.r.t. customizing event processing. We are adding several plugin hooks for event processing, identification, and signalling that get us out of most of the monkeypatching that was needed before

[09-Jun-2011 11:59:31] <TheMacTech> Thanks jane, will save a screengrab of that right now

[09-Jun-2011 11:59:33] <Hackman238> rocket: 3.1 -> Avalon testing migration of 7.5mil objects

[09-Jun-2011 12:00:00] <rocket> dgarcia_: have you guys seen anything like that?

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[09-Jun-2011 12:00:29] <Jane_Curry> or that some existing ones will break??

[09-Jun-2011 12:00:31] <ptmcg> No, we worked pretty hard to keep compatibility with transforms

[09-Jun-2011 12:00:36] <Hackman238> rocket: I'll hammer down thats eating the space if it fails this time.

[09-Jun-2011 12:00:52] <ptmcg> But ones that monkeypatched old event classes, or accessed the events database directly, will have issues

[09-Jun-2011 12:01:01] <jmp242> You don't want to kill zenpacks again this soon

[09-Jun-2011 12:01:04] <Jane_Curry> Is there going to be a beta for Avaon Core????????????????

[09-Jun-2011 12:01:26] <Jane_Curry> jmp242: PLEASE!!!!!

[09-Jun-2011 12:03:02] <nyeates> No idea if there will be a beta for core Jane. Ask again later in July :-)

[09-Jun-2011 12:03:22] <Hackman238> nyeates: I dont understand why the beta wouldnt be open to the pub.

[09-Jun-2011 12:03:41] <Hackman238> nyeates: No time to feature strip for core?

[09-Jun-2011 12:03:51] <ptmcg> Like I said, we have put in a number of old->new mapping proxies in the code so that existing event accessors will work

[09-Jun-2011 12:03:52] <nyeates> I just cant speculate either way, since it has not even been discussed with me

[09-Jun-2011 12:03:52] <Jane_Curry> There's obviously an Avalon Enterprise beta going on now - More feedback to bill...........

[09-Jun-2011 12:04:50] <Simon4> Jane_Curry: I don't have a copy of avalon enterprise, so if there's a beta going on no-one told me and I work for an ent customer

[09-Jun-2011 12:05:11] <nyeates> ptmcg: thanks for keeping the back compat on Zenpack... saves me and community from headaches!

[09-Jun-2011 12:05:28] <jmp242> Yes - backwards compatibility is important

[09-Jun-2011 12:05:38] <Jane_Curry> Very!

[09-Jun-2011 12:06:04] <Jane_Curry> nyeates: How many ZenPacks got updated in your latest ZenPack update competition???

[09-Jun-2011 12:08:20] <bhansen> anyone want to help track an issue down with me lol.... pulling out what little hair I have

[09-Jun-2011 12:08:34] <Jane_Curry> try us

[09-Jun-2011 12:08:41] <rmatte> bhansen: explain what it is, good chance someone has already encountered it

[09-Jun-2011 12:09:08] <bhansen> when trying to create a multigraph report and I go to add the graph defs I get the following error (incomming pastebin)

[09-Jun-2011 12:09:11] <nyeates> Jane: I will have to go recount. Not as many as we had hoped - under a dozen if you are just counting existing ones being updated.

[09-Jun-2011 12:09:18] <bhansen> pastebin link http://pastebin.com/DXAKGXUL

[09-Jun-2011 12:09:38] <nyeates> We are going to extend the event and also may be sending books out as 'prizes'.... please no comments on the lack of prizes - I know this.

[09-Jun-2011 12:09:57] <rmatte> hmmm

[09-Jun-2011 12:10:01] <bhansen> sonetPath is a template that is empty its just a place holder

[09-Jun-2011 12:10:19] <rmatte> interface template?

[09-Jun-2011 12:10:27] <bhansen> so zenoss does not try to do ethernet stats on a sonetPath interface

[09-Jun-2011 12:10:27] <bhansen> yes

[09-Jun-2011 12:10:51] <nyeates> I have to run all. Thanks for attending everyone. Feel free to continue to duke-out your issues!

[09-Jun-2011 12:11:08] <Hackman238> nyeates: prize suggestion-gold bullion

[09-Jun-2011 12:11:16] <rmatte> bhansen: it'll do whatever based on the template

[09-Jun-2011 12:11:35] <rmatte> bhansen: it might just be looking for a specific datapoint name in that template and not finding it so it pukes

[09-Jun-2011 12:12:27] <bhansen> this error occurs when I click on add graph on the multi-graph report creation

[09-Jun-2011 12:12:38] <rmatte> how did you create that sonetPath template?

[09-Jun-2011 12:13:27] <bhansen> went to device, then templates then add tempate named it sonetPath and hit save

[09-Jun-2011 12:13:35] <bhansen> there is nothing else in the template

[09-Jun-2011 12:13:42] <rmatte> There is a template configuration option called Target Class

[09-Jun-2011 12:13:47] <rmatte> is it set to Products.ZenModel.IpInterface

[09-Jun-2011 12:13:48] <rmatte> ?

[09-Jun-2011 12:13:56] <rmatte> (in the template)

[09-Jun-2011 12:13:57] <bhansen> its Products.ZenModel.Device

[09-Jun-2011 12:14:05] <rmatte> change it to Products.ZenModel.IpInterface if it's an interface template

[09-Jun-2011 12:14:07] <nyeates> TheMacTech: "how do I add multiple email recipients to one alert rule" You have to either have a single group email address if you control the email server. Or, you set up many zenoss users, add them to a group, give that group an alerting rule.

[09-Jun-2011 12:14:13] <rmatte> otherwise it's categorized as a device template

[09-Jun-2011 12:14:17] <rmatte> that could be what's causing the issue

[09-Jun-2011 12:14:43] <ptmcg> bhansen: this looks very similar to this ticket: http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/4754  reported against Zenoss 2.3.3.  Unf. it was closed as Not Reproducible.

[09-Jun-2011 12:15:03] <bhansen> rmatte, no change

[09-Jun-2011 12:15:08] <rmatte> when I create new interface templates I always just copy existing interface templates, rename them, and edit them

[09-Jun-2011 12:15:16] <bhansen> ptmcg, checking the bug Im on 2.5.2

[09-Jun-2011 12:15:45] <rmatte> bhansen: try deleting that template, copying an existing interface template and renaming it

[09-Jun-2011 12:15:47] <rmatte> see if that fixes it

[09-Jun-2011 12:16:07] <rmatte> if not, go in to zendmd and try a reindex() then a sync() then a commit()

[09-Jun-2011 12:16:07] <Hackman238> rocket: Data.fs, during migration, is at 107GB with migration @ ~20%

[09-Jun-2011 12:16:21] <rmatte> Hackman238: that's humongous

[09-Jun-2011 12:16:29] <Hackman238> rocket: Before migration it was like 4GB packed

[09-Jun-2011 12:16:43] <Simon4> Hackman238: migration from 2.5 to 3.something?

[09-Jun-2011 12:17:08] * Simon4 remembers his data.fs getting fairly huge

[09-Jun-2011 12:17:16] <Hackman238> Simon4: Its ent testing v3->ava

[09-Jun-2011 12:17:23] <Simon4> *nod*

[09-Jun-2011 12:17:31] <Simon4> so even bigger

[09-Jun-2011 12:17:33] <Simon4> yikes

[09-Jun-2011 12:17:38] <Hackman238> Simon4: This dc is huge though....7.5mil objects

[09-Jun-2011 12:17:50] <Hackman238> Simon4: ...after I pruned out the unneeded stuff

[09-Jun-2011 12:18:14] <bhansen> rmatte, same thing heading into zendmd to reindex() resync() and commit()

[09-Jun-2011 12:18:33] <Simon4> our packed Data.fs in 2.5 is 1.5G, I think it was a bunch more than that when I tested 3

[09-Jun-2011 12:18:55] <Simon4> how do I query object numbers?

[09-Jun-2011 12:19:06] <Hackman238> Simon4: I check the ZMI, but it can be done in dmd too

[09-Jun-2011 12:19:18] <rmatte> bhansen: same error?

[09-Jun-2011 12:19:19] <Hackman238> Simon4: http://url:port/manage

[09-Jun-2011 12:19:29] <bhansen> yeah doing the zendmd stuff now

[09-Jun-2011 12:19:37] <rmatte> k

[09-Jun-2011 12:20:08] <Hackman238> bhansen: ahve tried zenchkrels -x 1 -r?

[09-Jun-2011 12:20:16] <bhansen> yes

[09-Jun-2011 12:20:21] <Simon4> 1.5mil, not quite 7.5

[09-Jun-2011 12:20:22] <Hackman238> bhansen: did it fail with trace?

[09-Jun-2011 12:20:46] <Hackman238> Simon4: yeah, and we're going to add another 4-5mil soon

[09-Jun-2011 12:21:06] <bhansen> Hackman238, I dont think it did, it took forever (pretty big installtion of zenoss)

[09-Jun-2011 12:21:25] <Hackman238> bhansen: Hum.

[09-Jun-2011 12:22:44] <rmatte> I'm headed to lunch, bbiab

[09-Jun-2011 12:23:06] <Hackman238> bhansen: whats the exaxct error youre getting?

[09-Jun-2011 12:23:54] <xuru> anyone have a transform to strip off the domain of the evt.device?

[09-Jun-2011 12:24:42] <bhansen> when I am creating a multi-graph report I go in, add my collection (no problem) then click the add new graph under graph definitions and name it (whatever does not matter the name) then it gives the A Zenoss error has occurred

[09-Jun-2011 12:24:55] <Hackman238> xuru: you could do a split('.') and go from there

[09-Jun-2011 12:25:00] <bhansen> under view error detail I get http://pastebin.com/DXAKGXUL

[09-Jun-2011 12:25:47] <Hackman238> bhansen: Ah. I have a fix for that

[09-Jun-2011 12:25:52] <bhansen> 'sonetPath' is an interface template that has no defs in it at all

[09-Jun-2011 12:25:53] <xuru> This is what I got so far:  if evt.device.find("domain.com") != -1:  evt.device = evt.device.split(".")[0]

[09-Jun-2011 12:26:00] <xuru> does that look reasonable?

[09-Jun-2011 12:26:12] <Hackman238> xuru: long as not multi node FQDN

[09-Jun-2011 12:26:23] <bhansen> Hackman238, what is it?

[09-Jun-2011 12:26:26] <xuru> yeah

[09-Jun-2011 12:26:32] <xuru> cool thanks

[09-Jun-2011 12:27:00] <Simon4> xuru: if "domain.com" in evt.device:  is a bit neater if you like that kind of thing

[09-Jun-2011 12:27:36] <xuru> I always wondered if there was some performance difference between the two...

[09-Jun-2011 12:27:54] <Simon4> not sure tbh

[09-Jun-2011 12:29:52] <ptmcg> Simon4: When I have a choice between using language notation vs. a function (like "in" vs. find or has_key, or '**' vs. pow), I always pick the language construct

[09-Jun-2011 12:31:14] <ptmcg> It may still be an eventual function call, but I think functions called within the C code are lighter weight than functions called from Python

[09-Jun-2011 12:31:32] * Simon4 nods

[09-Jun-2011 12:31:35] <ptmcg> (less method resolution, less framing before/after function)

[09-Jun-2011 12:32:06] <ptmcg> and I think it is neater-looking too

[09-Jun-2011 12:34:45] <ptmcg> Hackman238: if you have a repro and fix for bhansen's problem, I could verify if it is still there in the current system - there was a ticket for this at one time, after all

[09-Jun-2011 12:35:47] <Hackman238> ptmcg: Ja

[09-Jun-2011 12:37:34] <Jane_Curry> Could anyone do a spot of confirmation testing on Adnministerd Objects for me on a 3.1 system, preferably NOT a SuSE system

[09-Jun-2011 12:40:31] <bigegor> hi all

[09-Jun-2011 12:40:50] <bhansen> Hackman238, that did not work

[09-Jun-2011 12:41:04] <bhansen> here is the pastebin as the admin user http://pastebin.com/ZeEhrf5B

[09-Jun-2011 12:42:56] <dhopp> Jane_Curry:  I don't have time right now…but if you send me a message on the forums with the details I can try...

[09-Jun-2011 12:48:01] <Jane_Curry> dhopp - are you dhopp on the forums too??

[09-Jun-2011 13:28:26] <rmatte> http://i.imgur.com/PQ6Xk.png

[09-Jun-2011 13:29:49] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL. Who is nhs?

[09-Jun-2011 13:29:57] <rmatte> no idea

[09-Jun-2011 13:30:40] <rmatte> whois says

[09-Jun-2011 13:30:41] <rmatte> Registrant:

[09-Jun-2011 13:30:41] <rmatte> NHS Connecting for Health

[09-Jun-2011 13:31:01] <rmatte> http://www.connectingforhealth.nhs.uk/

[09-Jun-2011 13:31:38] <nyeates> wtf

[09-Jun-2011 13:31:41] <Sam-I-Am> .

[09-Jun-2011 13:32:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: dept of health

[09-Jun-2011 13:32:21] <rmatte> nyeates: hm?

[09-Jun-2011 13:32:28] <nyeates> heh just weird

[09-Jun-2011 13:32:31] <rmatte> hehe

[09-Jun-2011 13:32:33] <nyeates> especially the last senance

[09-Jun-2011 13:33:02] <Hackman238> nyeates: Indeed LOL

[09-Jun-2011 13:33:45] <Hackman238> I'm going to have to ask around in the chan to find out how they stumbled on exploits on a non target

[09-Jun-2011 13:34:16] <Hackman238> Seems like they needed data but didnt want to leave such a gaping hole after getting what was needed.

[09-Jun-2011 13:41:16] <nyeates> or they have bots that go out and hit random targets for exploits

[09-Jun-2011 13:41:41] <Hackman238> nyeates: Could be- makes sense

[09-Jun-2011 14:15:58] kerick_ is now known as kerick

[09-Jun-2011 14:17:08] <Sam-I-Am> you know you're having a bad day when 'yum upgrade' sets off the OOM killer

[09-Jun-2011 14:48:57] <dhopp> Sam-I-Am:  could also be rephrased: You know you need more memory when yum upgrade sets off the OOM killer

[09-Jun-2011 14:50:07] <Sam-I-Am> i think this is a problem with this ver of virtualbox

[09-Jun-2011 14:50:24] <Sam-I-Am> the box has a couple of gigs

[09-Jun-2011 15:23:16] <jmp242> OT: Dell PowerEdge R815s - Anyone know what a comparable Intel Processor to the 12C 1.9Ghz Opterons are? I'm trying to figure out if I can get close in performance with a 6C Xeon at say, 2.66Ghz . . .

[09-Jun-2011 15:25:44] <Hackman238> jmp242: hard to say- what type of ops?

[09-Jun-2011 15:26:15] <Hackman238> jmp242: Also, what gen Xeon?

[09-Jun-2011 15:47:36] <jmp242> mmm, Simulation / number crunching

[09-Jun-2011 15:47:40] <jmp242> vs E7542 6C

[09-Jun-2011 15:47:42] <jmp242> for instance

[09-Jun-2011 15:53:24] <Hackman238> jmp242: E7542 or X7542?

[09-Jun-2011 15:56:35] <Hackman238> jmp242: If your app threads properly, the operton will smoke that xeon, if your app does not thread, the xeon will smoke those opterons

[09-Jun-2011 15:56:41] <Hackman238> jmp242: Does your app thread?

[09-Jun-2011 16:01:30] <jmp242> Yea, it's going to be multithreaded

[09-Jun-2011 16:01:48] <jmp242> Man, why doesn't Intel have as many cores as AMD lol

[09-Jun-2011 16:02:26] <Hackman238> jmp242: try to stick with the low end AMD chips with more cores. shared cache on each side (6 cores) will really result in nice performance.

[09-Jun-2011 16:02:52] <Hackman238> jmp242: core for core the xeon is faster, but it'll get murdered in a threaded application against that slow opteron.

[09-Jun-2011 16:03:25] <Hackman238> jmp242: which btw, I have just built a quad box with the 2.2ghz 12 core opterons, 256gb ram- its f*cking sick man

[09-Jun-2011 16:05:13] <jmp242> Hmm, I'm actually trying to stay away from buying Dell is all. IBM looks a lot more expensive for their Opteron box

[09-Jun-2011 16:05:56] <jmp242> plus for some reason, in the past the Opterons we tried got different answers in the processing than the Xeons did. Not saying what is correct, just that everything has been Intel here for a long time

[09-Jun-2011 16:06:13] <jmp242> (I personally like the AMD price per performance)

[09-Jun-2011 16:16:56] <Hackman238> jmp242: gotcha

[09-Jun-2011 16:17:19] <Hackman238> jmp242: which the simulator, does it use random seed?

[09-Jun-2011 16:17:52] <Hackman238> jmp242: Also if its using floats which lack the needed percision you'll end up with varying results

[09-Jun-2011 16:18:46] <Hackman238> jmp242: We use ostly dell here at Rackspace, the higher end servers, like with most companies, is good.

[09-Jun-2011 16:19:35] <Hackman238> jmp242: Personally I like IBM myself, but the costs of IBM products are not neccesarrily proprtionate to the quality of the product anymore- seems to be the case for the last 5 of 6 years frankly.

[09-Jun-2011 16:20:32] <Hackman238> jmp242: I mean that strictly with reasonably limits. clearly the lower cost, high end solution is not analagous to a low end product in general.

[09-Jun-2011 16:20:37] <Hackman238> *reasonable

[09-Jun-2011 16:21:04] <Hackman238> ...damn...cant type today....must be because its like a million degrees here.

[09-Jun-2011 16:21:17] <Simon4> Hackman238: you use ipsla a bunch, can it measure bandwidth/throughput as well as other stats?

[09-Jun-2011 16:22:15] <Hackman238> ipsla is more for ensuring a transaction, service or connection is meeting specific criteria performance wise

[09-Jun-2011 16:22:34] <Hackman238> you can get bandwidth just by monitoring a port

[09-Jun-2011 16:22:39] <Simon4> Hackman238: right, sorry, probably worded that badly

[09-Jun-2011 16:22:56] <Hackman238> Simon4: Its the best solution for quality assurance.

[09-Jun-2011 16:23:07] <Simon4> interested to keep an eye say on "can I still push Xkbs over this VPN"

[09-Jun-2011 16:23:15] <Simon4> and test it on a regular basis

[09-Jun-2011 16:23:43] <Hackman238> Simon4: Can be used in conjuction with QoS to ensure services get the priority they need and allow admins to adjust the network if trending of an SLA shows degredation in service

[09-Jun-2011 16:23:51] <Hackman238> Simon4: Exactly what its for, yes

[09-Jun-2011 16:23:57] <Simon4> Hackman238: cheers

[09-Jun-2011 16:24:31] <Simon4> we keep running into the question "is anything bad happening on the network", which is always hard to answer when you're not constantly actively testing it

[09-Jun-2011 16:24:43] <Simon4> since "there's nothing bad in syslog" isn't a great answer

[09-Jun-2011 16:25:14] <Hackman238> Simon4: Thats what the SLA's are for

[09-Jun-2011 16:25:37] <Simon4> cool.. I'll find me some spare kit and have a play

[09-Jun-2011 16:25:44] <Hackman238> Simon4: Service Level Agreement means 'We tell you you will get this XYZ and heres the proof of it working at XYZ all the time'

[09-Jun-2011 16:25:58] <Simon4> Hackman238: *nod*

[09-Jun-2011 16:26:01] <Hackman238> Simon4: and if not, then fix it

[09-Jun-2011 16:30:02] <Simon4> Hackman238: got any screenshots of your latest sla zenpack in action?

[09-Jun-2011 16:30:28] <dhopp> Hackman238: is ipsla updated for 3.1 yet?

[09-Jun-2011 16:34:37] <Hackman238> Simon4: Nein, but it works

[09-Jun-2011 16:34:47] <Hackman238> dhopp: V2.5, v3 and Avalon

[09-Jun-2011 16:35:14] <Hackman238> Simon4: Report any bugs, though I havent had any bug reports on v3 yet. v2.5 has a few I'll fix very soon.

[09-Jun-2011 16:35:40] <Simon4> Hackman238: i'll find me a device or two and set something up

[09-Jun-2011 16:35:57] * Simon4 is in the middle of a massive network refresh project so time is scarce currently, will take a while

[09-Jun-2011 16:36:16] <Hackman238> Simon4: Worst case download gn3s, add a 37xx and wire it to a cloud pointed to your local nic.

[09-Jun-2011 16:36:25] <Simon4> Hackman238:

[09-Jun-2011 16:36:33] <Hackman238> Then you can test against an emulated device against real targets

[09-Jun-2011 16:36:39] * Simon4 has gns3 lying around here

[09-Jun-2011 16:36:49] <Simon4> there are some older routers in teh DC though, just need to rack one or two up

[09-Jun-2011 16:38:05] <Hackman238> Simon4: aye, just make sure its image supports slas

[09-Jun-2011 16:38:35] <Hackman238> Simon4: can do enable; show ip sla statistics {enter} and if it fails you'll need to reimage

[09-Jun-2011 16:38:42] * Simon4 nods

[09-Jun-2011 16:50:10] <Simon4> Hackman238: does teh Av test version run rrdcached?

[09-Jun-2011 16:51:07] <Hackman238> Simon4: I dont copy.

[09-Jun-2011 16:51:14] <Hackman238> Simon4: No idea what your asking

[09-Jun-2011 16:51:20] <Simon4> the avalon ent version you're testing

[09-Jun-2011 16:51:38] <Simon4> there were rumours for ages that they had integrated rrdcached to save on IO for rrd writes

[09-Jun-2011 16:51:44] <Hackman238> Simon4: Oh, sits behind memcached and the rrd graphs are insanely fast

[09-Jun-2011 16:52:06] <Simon4> cool

[09-Jun-2011 16:52:10] <Hackman238> Simon4: I dont see rrdcached

[09-Jun-2011 16:53:35] <Simon4> k

[09-Jun-2011 16:53:58] * Simon4 will go talk to the monitoring team tomorrow and see about getting a copy of a test version if we can wrangle it

[09-Jun-2011 16:58:56] <Hackman238> Simon4: test version of what?

[09-Jun-2011 16:59:00] <Hackman238> Simon4: Av?

[09-Jun-2011 16:59:04] <syoma> hi all

[09-Jun-2011 16:59:25] <Simon4> Hackman238: yeah

[09-Jun-2011 16:59:36] <syoma> I've question for a best solution with zenoss

[09-Jun-2011 17:00:34] <Hackman238> Simon4: nick can get you a copy if its allowed. idk whats allowed and not.

[09-Jun-2011 17:00:39] <Hackman238> Simon4: are you an ent customer?

[09-Jun-2011 17:00:45] <Hackman238> syoma: Whats up?

[09-Jun-2011 17:01:01] <Simon4> Hackman238: yeah, a fairly large one - I'll chase it through the "official" channels

[09-Jun-2011 17:02:43] <Hackman238> Simon4: yes please do- its worth it. start testing your migration now bc its a hellish disaster

[09-Jun-2011 17:02:45] <syoma> There is some documentation with the best practices to implement Zenoss in more than 10 clients with over 1000 devices?

[09-Jun-2011 17:03:23] <syoma> eg architecture ..

[09-Jun-2011 17:03:25] <Simon4> Hackman238: heh, excellent

[09-Jun-2011 17:03:41] <Hackman238> Simon4: :-)

[09-Jun-2011 17:04:08] <syoma> I need generate correlation over alerts

[09-Jun-2011 17:04:10] <Hackman238> syoma: There are some good guidelines in the forums. Tomorrow I'll be back and I can help you directly, I've got to bounce now.

[09-Jun-2011 17:04:34] <syoma> oka thanks

[09-Jun-2011 17:04:51] <syoma> if possible generate correlation of alerts ???

[09-Jun-2011 17:05:13] <Hackman238> syoma: aye, can talk specifics tomorrow.

[09-Jun-2011 17:05:15] <Hackman238> Later All!

[09-Jun-2011 17:05:23] <syoma> I need to remove false positives

[09-Jun-2011 17:05:38] <syoma> Hackman238: no problem.

[09-Jun-2011 17:07:07] <syoma> Some of you worked in a SOC?

[09-Jun-2011 17:09:28] <rmatte> I've been part of a NOC that had a SOC

[09-Jun-2011 17:09:39] <rmatte> I never actually worked the SOC tickets

[09-Jun-2011 17:10:17] <rmatte> I saw what was involved though

[09-Jun-2011 17:14:23] <syoma> hi rmatte

[09-Jun-2011 17:14:27] <rmatte> hi

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[09-Jun-2011 17:15:48] <syoma> Can you help me I have a couple questions

[09-Jun-2011 17:25:29] <JohnnyNoc> syoma just ask and if someone is available or knows how to help i'm sure they'll chime in

[09-Jun-2011 17:25:29] <JohnnyNoc>

[09-Jun-2011 17:29:37] <Sam-I-Am> .

[09-Jun-2011 17:41:10] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[09-Jun-2011 17:47:55] <rmatte> syoma: sorry, I have to head home

[09-Jun-2011 17:50:53] <syoma> (:

[09-Jun-2011 17:50:57] <syoma> I have a mission to collect ideas to design a world class SOC

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[09-Jun-2011 23:10:48] <stk__> hello guys, can anyone tell me what zenconsole is?

[09-Jun-2011 23:11:05] <stk__> I STFW for it on zenoss.org but no information

[09-Jun-2011 23:11:51] <stk__> :-)

[09-Jun-2011 23:53:50] <Sam-I-Am> stk__: you mean zendmd?

[09-Jun-2011 23:55:04] <stk__> not so sure, since I've just received an un-documented system

[09-Jun-2011 23:55:10] <stk__> so in $ZENOSS

[09-Jun-2011 23:55:21] <stk__> there is a file call zenconsole

[09-Jun-2011 23:55:37] <stk__> exec it, and it will launch a bash shell

[09-Jun-2011 23:56:19] <stk__> one min, I'll look again

[09-Jun-2011 23:57:59] <stk__> #!/bin/bash

[09-Jun-2011 23:58:00] <stk__> . /extra/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zenfunctions

[09-Jun-2011 23:58:02] <stk__> echo "Welcome to Zenoss console."

[09-Jun-2011 23:58:03] <stk__> exec /bin/bash --noprofile --norc

[09-Jun-2011 23:58:05] <stk__> it's a script

[09-Jun-2011 23:58:34] <stk__> $ZENOSS/zenoss/bin/zenfunctions

[09-Jun-2011 23:58:48] <stk__> ah, my bad

[09-Jun-2011 23:58:54] <stk__> so the key word is zenfunctions

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[10-Jun-2011 09:08:18] <Parabola> hmm

[10-Jun-2011 09:08:29] <Parabola> rmatte: you here man?

[10-Jun-2011 09:12:27] <Sam-I-Am> .

[10-Jun-2011 09:12:52] <Parabola> sup Sam-I-Am 

[10-Jun-2011 09:13:23] <fragfutter> looks like sam is speechless

[10-Jun-2011 09:13:28] <Parabola>

[10-Jun-2011 09:13:32] <Parabola> No one wants to talk to me

[10-Jun-2011 09:13:48] <fragfutter> Parabola: try to grunt

[10-Jun-2011 09:14:06] <fragfutter> or bark

[10-Jun-2011 09:14:25] * Parabola bites fragfutter

[10-Jun-2011 09:14:35] <fragfutter> *ouch*

[10-Jun-2011 09:14:47] <kerick> is it worse than his bark?

[10-Jun-2011 09:15:00] <Sam-I-Am> heh

[10-Jun-2011 09:15:16] <Sam-I-Am> i havent caffeinated yet, so the best i can do is 'moo'

[10-Jun-2011 09:15:46] <Sam-I-Am> Parabola: anything we can help you with?

[10-Jun-2011 09:17:06] <Parabola> nope

[10-Jun-2011 09:17:25] <Parabola> I just lived in this channel for months last summer and after. but i havent been in much recently, just saying hi

[10-Jun-2011 09:17:39] <Parabola> honestly, for my setup, zenoss wasnt the best solution

[10-Jun-2011 09:17:40] <Hackman238> Hello all

[10-Jun-2011 09:17:46] <Parabola> sup Hackman238 what can we do for you today

[10-Jun-2011 09:17:52] <Parabola> would you like to biggie size that?

[10-Jun-2011 09:18:08] <Hackman238> Aye, and a large coffee

[10-Jun-2011 09:18:34] <Parabola> yes sir, here you go

[10-Jun-2011 09:18:42] * Parabola steals Sam-I-Am's coffee

[10-Jun-2011 09:18:50] * Simon4 sticks up his hand

[10-Jun-2011 09:18:51] <Simon4> me too!

[10-Jun-2011 09:18:58] <Hackman238> Parabola: So your cheating on Zenoss with another monitoring app I hear.

[10-Jun-2011 09:19:08] <Hackman238> Parabola:

[10-Jun-2011 09:19:43] <Parabola> Hackman238: Yeah, I really liked zenoss's out of the box experience, and i can appreciate the agentless aspect

[10-Jun-2011 09:20:04] <dhopp> Hackman238: quick question…if I have a "main" zenoss server (does everything but collectors) I should be able to just rsync the zenoss directory every few hours to a standby server correct?

[10-Jun-2011 09:20:06] <Parabola> I used it for about a year, not the biggest fan of 3.x and honeslty i spent alot of time bug hunting

[10-Jun-2011 09:20:15] <Parabola> dhopp: yes you can

[10-Jun-2011 09:20:21] <Hackman238> Parabola: Whats missing?

[10-Jun-2011 09:20:23] <Parabola> dhopp:  the install is isolated

[10-Jun-2011 09:20:28] <Hackman238> dhopp: Yep.

[10-Jun-2011 09:20:45] <Parabola> Hackman238: in my case, not knowing python firstly, and secondly, the false positives

[10-Jun-2011 09:20:49] <Parabola> and issues with polling

[10-Jun-2011 09:20:55] <Hackman238> dhopp: Infact thats exactly what the enterprise distributed collector pack does

[10-Jun-2011 09:20:59] <Parabola> missed events because of max OIDs per request

[10-Jun-2011 09:21:15] <Parabola> why didnt dhopp  like my answer, it was the same

[10-Jun-2011 09:21:53] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I meant as a failover…so if the box running zenhub and zeodb shit the bed…I could just bring up zenoss and only lose a few hours of changes

[10-Jun-2011 09:21:59] <dhopp> Parabola:  I never responded to either of you!

[10-Jun-2011 09:22:00] <Hackman238> Parabola: Thats too bad. Zenoss does require much tweaking, I'll agree

[10-Jun-2011 09:22:03] <Parabola> dhopp:  correct

[10-Jun-2011 09:22:11] <Hackman238> Parabola: What type of false posatives?

[10-Jun-2011 09:22:18] <Parabola> you name it

[10-Jun-2011 09:22:24] <Hackman238> dhopp: Yep

[10-Jun-2011 09:22:24] <Parabola> perf alerts, hosts being down that werent

[10-Jun-2011 09:22:31] <Parabola> hosts down that didnt trigger..ect

[10-Jun-2011 09:22:47] <Parabola> I spent alot of time with it, and i did get it to about 85% but it just required too much time

[10-Jun-2011 09:22:56] <Hackman238> Parabola: It sounds like you might have been working through a packet bottleneck.

[10-Jun-2011 09:22:59] <dhopp> Parabola:  hosts down that didn't trigger would be a false negative?

[10-Jun-2011 09:23:07] <Parabola> dhopp:  whatever

[10-Jun-2011 09:23:13] <Parabola> Hackman238: its all LAN traffic

[10-Jun-2011 09:23:13] <dhopp> Parabola:  :-P

[10-Jun-2011 09:23:44] <Parabola> Hackman238:  the last implentation i did for a consulting company, they did have bottleneck issues, i was able to deal with thoes. the thing that got me there was zenoss has no support for monitoring by hostname, which is stupid

[10-Jun-2011 09:23:51] <Hackman238> Parabola: One big issue with Zenoss is that it acts quickly on ping events- so low priority packets like icmp echo sometimes dont get to their destination due to switching asic reprioritization

[10-Jun-2011 09:24:12] <Parabola> and they have 100 somthing external hosts being monitored (clients) and 30% dont have static IPs

[10-Jun-2011 09:24:16] <Parabola> retail stores..ect

[10-Jun-2011 09:24:36] <Parabola> so i had to make a script that would wipe out the IPs of all these boxes everytime one went offline, to force a re-resolve

[10-Jun-2011 09:24:39] <Hackman238> Parabola: Ah yes- seen that problem.

[10-Jun-2011 09:24:52] <Parabola> and that script "kinda" worked

[10-Jun-2011 09:24:58] <Hackman238> Parabola: I usually reccomend dhcp reservations when possible, but not always possible

[10-Jun-2011 09:25:11] <Parabola> Hackman238: well alot of them were retail stores with ATT DSL lines

[10-Jun-2011 09:25:19] <Parabola> and they are very aggressive on DHCP leases here

[10-Jun-2011 09:25:23] <Parabola> 8 to 12 hours, new IP

[10-Jun-2011 09:25:43] <Parabola> so hes using dynDNS and monitoring thoes.. i ended up going back and replacing zenoss with (X)

[10-Jun-2011 09:25:48] <Parabola> he hasnt had thoes problems anymore

[10-Jun-2011 09:26:01] <Hackman238> Parabola: Oh dynamic WAN ip. Yeah, no good solution for that.

[10-Jun-2011 09:26:04] <jmp242> It does seem like Zenoss ought to support monitoring by hostname

[10-Jun-2011 09:26:15] <Parabola> +1

[10-Jun-2011 09:26:18] <jmp242> Not really a problem for us as we're LAN with all static IPs

[10-Jun-2011 09:26:28] <jmp242> but I can imagine it being an issue

[10-Jun-2011 09:26:29] <Parabola> jmp242: i actually talked to the company, they were all for PAYING zenoss for development of the featuer

[10-Jun-2011 09:26:46] <Parabola> but i had one requirement before i'd agree to it

[10-Jun-2011 09:26:49] <jmp242> And Zenoss didn't want to do it?

[10-Jun-2011 09:26:56] <Parabola> and that is zenoss MUST make the feature availaible in the core / free version

[10-Jun-2011 09:27:06] <Parabola> if i'm paying for it, you're not going to hide that great feature just for enterprise

[10-Jun-2011 09:27:10] <Parabola> they said no

[10-Jun-2011 09:27:18] <Hackman238> I can understand why they didnt- you shouldnt be monitoring dynanic addresses

[10-Jun-2011 09:27:27] <Parabola> "shouldnt" doesnt apply

[10-Jun-2011 09:27:44] <Parabola> you cannot tell a client with 50 retail stores to go replace the lines with $$ business lines they dont need

[10-Jun-2011 09:27:52] <Parabola> simply because a monitoring product doesnt think its a "good idea"

[10-Jun-2011 09:27:54] <jmp242> Really

[10-Jun-2011 09:27:58] <Parabola> jmp242: yup

[10-Jun-2011 09:27:59] <jmp242> they wouldn't release it as core

[10-Jun-2011 09:28:01] <Hackman238> They dont need a business line, only a staic address

[10-Jun-2011 09:28:03] <Parabola> correct

[10-Jun-2011 09:28:08] <Parabola> Hackman238: they go hand in hand here

[10-Jun-2011 09:28:12] <jmp242> Well, I go to community developers

[10-Jun-2011 09:28:23] <jmp242> get a Zenpack and the community devs will release to core lol

[10-Jun-2011 09:28:25] <Parabola> jmp242: too late now, i migrated everything already

[10-Jun-2011 09:28:28] <jmp242> yea

[10-Jun-2011 09:28:29] <jmp242> I know

[10-Jun-2011 09:28:33] <Parabola> i thought about that

[10-Jun-2011 09:28:39] <Parabola> offer egor or rmatte or someone the money

[10-Jun-2011 09:28:39] <jmp242> Just saying next time I suppose consider it

[10-Jun-2011 09:28:46] <rocket> jmp242: dont go jumping to conclusions.  That change would be a somewhat significant rewrite.

[10-Jun-2011 09:28:47] <Parabola> we were willing to pay 120/hr or w/e it is to dev it

[10-Jun-2011 09:28:56] <Parabola> rocket is correct

[10-Jun-2011 09:29:08] <rocket> Parabola: why couldnt you write a daemon that monitors for ip changes

[10-Jun-2011 09:29:08] <Parabola> my thought was, who overlooked that feature?

[10-Jun-2011 09:29:11] <Hackman238> I agree with rocket- it would require a whole resolution layer

[10-Jun-2011 09:29:22] <Parabola> nagios does it, zabbix does it

[10-Jun-2011 09:29:37] <Simon4> putthing that change into "a core zenpack" would be... challenging

[10-Jun-2011 09:29:41] <rocket> Parabola: when it observes a change call to zenoss and change the manageip

[10-Jun-2011 09:29:53] <Parabola> rocket: if i had the skillset i would have

[10-Jun-2011 09:30:04] <Parabola> i didnt care how it got there

[10-Jun-2011 09:30:06] <Parabola> as long as it worked

[10-Jun-2011 09:30:17] <rocket> Parabola: it could be a bash script or whatever

[10-Jun-2011 09:30:34] <Hackman238> A daemon to poll for ip changes is very doable

[10-Jun-2011 09:30:41] <jmp242> yea, actually I was thinking something more like what rocket described

[10-Jun-2011 09:30:51] <jmp242> not changing the guts for a resolution layer

[10-Jun-2011 09:30:52] <Hackman238> but direct support for hostname monitoring is not easily put in place

[10-Jun-2011 09:31:30] <jmp242> I just figured it'd be easy enough to check for the IP to change, maybe even with an event command on a ping down event

[10-Jun-2011 09:31:37] <jmp242> and then change the manageIP

[10-Jun-2011 09:31:41] <jmp242> as a zenpack or whatever

[10-Jun-2011 09:31:50] <rocket> jmp242: thats another option as well

[10-Jun-2011 09:31:56] <Hackman238> Well if anyone is still looking for such daemon, I'm open soon as next tuesday.

[10-Jun-2011 09:31:57] <Parabola> what confused me was that zenoss does store the DNS entry you originally used

[10-Jun-2011 09:32:02] <Parabola> if you wipe out the IP, it re-resolved

[10-Jun-2011 09:32:16] <Parabola> seems like making it re-resolve if it goes offline

[10-Jun-2011 09:32:22] <Parabola> would be a single days worth of work for someone

[10-Jun-2011 09:32:40] <Parabola> took me 4 lines in that script

[10-Jun-2011 09:33:05] <rocket> Parabola: I have no idea the reasoning behind the response you were given

[10-Jun-2011 09:33:15] <Parabola> rocket:  its alright mate, no hard feelings

[10-Jun-2011 09:33:19] <Parabola> its sales, thats what they do

[10-Jun-2011 09:33:30] <Parabola> spend lots of money

[10-Jun-2011 09:33:38] <Parabola> and say|do stupid things

[10-Jun-2011 09:34:03] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[10-Jun-2011 09:34:26] <rocket> Parabola: lets just say that you have your reasons for your opinion, and I see and hear other reasons.  Some of which I am not sure I am allowed to discuss.

[10-Jun-2011 09:34:50] <Hackman238> Parabola: Did you post about this problem in the forums?

[10-Jun-2011 09:35:27] <rocket> However I can say that our professional services team is so far backlogged and it took a long time to find someone qualified to step in there .. one of the team members just left as well

[10-Jun-2011 09:35:38] <Parabola> rocket: yikes

[10-Jun-2011 09:35:45] <Parabola> what happened to whats his name

[10-Jun-2011 09:35:50] <Parabola> the guy who went to chef..

[10-Jun-2011 09:35:54] <Parabola> aaah im bad with names

[10-Jun-2011 09:35:59] <rocket> There is a huge demand for new features etc .. its hard enough to keep up with all of the enterprise requests

[10-Jun-2011 09:35:59] <Hackman238> Matt

[10-Jun-2011 09:36:02] <jmp242> Matt Ray

[10-Jun-2011 09:36:02] <Parabola> ah yes

[10-Jun-2011 09:36:04] <Parabola> mray

[10-Jun-2011 09:36:06] <rocket> he went to chef ..

[10-Jun-2011 09:36:09] <Parabola>

[10-Jun-2011 09:36:12] <Parabola> i mean does he still stop by

[10-Jun-2011 09:36:17] <Parabola> right after he quit he still stopped by

[10-Jun-2011 09:36:19] <rocket> in here yes ..

[10-Jun-2011 09:36:28] <rocket> I still chat with him as well

[10-Jun-2011 09:36:31] <jmp242> Nick Yeates took over as community liaison

[10-Jun-2011 09:36:31] <Parabola> rocket:  i'm sure you guys are super backlogged

[10-Jun-2011 09:36:34] <Parabola> tell him Parabola said hi

[10-Jun-2011 09:36:56] <Parabola> rocket:  its got to be impossible to keep up.. everyone has a different environment with a weird situation

[10-Jun-2011 09:37:10] <rocket> yes .. thats one of the difficulties

[10-Jun-2011 09:37:24] <rocket> 2nd difficulty is that no one makes anything standard ..

[10-Jun-2011 09:37:36] <jmp242> Anyway, I can say there are good community developers who can really help Core people, though of course that isn't going to apply to everything (like major re-writes)

[10-Jun-2011 09:37:54] <Parabola> rocket:  ah yeah thats true too

[10-Jun-2011 09:38:00] <Hackman238> I spend all day in here trying to help people

[10-Jun-2011 09:38:03] <jmp242> But I am constantly amazed by what they can do with daemons  and zenpacks

[10-Jun-2011 09:38:06] <Parabola> yup

[10-Jun-2011 09:38:13] <Parabola> i remember finding egors for wmi stuff

[10-Jun-2011 09:38:17] <Parabola> i fell in love with the guy, haha

[10-Jun-2011 09:38:29] <rocket> 3rd difficulty is managing all that you can change in a zenpack etc.

[10-Jun-2011 09:38:33] <jmp242> I also really appreciate the WMI stuff

[10-Jun-2011 09:39:46] <Parabola> rocket you're a dev right?

[10-Jun-2011 09:40:14] <rocket> Advanced Support

[10-Jun-2011 09:40:28] <rocket> I end up having to know a little bit about everything

[10-Jun-2011 09:40:50] <rocket> Devs sometimes get lucky and only deal with certain parts and know that very well

[10-Jun-2011 09:41:11] <rocket> so I am a jack of all trades, but need to refer to engineering for the deep dive stuff

[10-Jun-2011 09:42:02] <rocket> I used to be a community member that got picked up as a consultant initially

[10-Jun-2011 09:42:43] <Parabola> Nice

[10-Jun-2011 09:42:55] <Parabola> Have you used other monitoring products, or just zenoss

[10-Jun-2011 09:43:00] <Parabola> used|experience with

[10-Jun-2011 09:45:52] <rocket> nagios/cacti mostly .. the others my company never had budget for

[10-Jun-2011 09:46:38] <Parabola> ah cool

[10-Jun-2011 09:47:04] <Parabola> My current employer had Tivoli monitoring

[10-Jun-2011 09:47:14] <Sam-I-Am> moving to zenoss went fairly well here... replaced a combination of cacti and nagios

[10-Jun-2011 09:47:20] <Parabola> its not bad, its very accurate, does what it says it does 100% never had a false positive

[10-Jun-2011 09:47:20] <Hackman238> Parabola: Oh god...tivoli

[10-Jun-2011 09:47:29] <Parabola> it has a big learning curve though

[10-Jun-2011 09:47:38] <Parabola> i took a couple week long classes, got pretty good with it

[10-Jun-2011 09:47:40] <Hackman238> Parabola: I replaced a tivoli rollout with 40K nodes with zenoss

[10-Jun-2011 09:47:47] <Parabola> yikes

[10-Jun-2011 09:47:56] <Parabola> ITM5 or 6?

[10-Jun-2011 09:48:05] <Parabola> because 6 is a whole new (albeit retarded) Beast

[10-Jun-2011 09:48:24] <dhopp> rocket: I find that kind of ironic…your company didn't have a budget for monitoring..now you work at Zenoss which has some of the most expensive licensing fees outside of the "big 4"

[10-Jun-2011 09:48:26] <Hackman238> Parabola: Saved the state millions of dollars, eliminated almost 30 dead weight IBM techs and improved metrics

[10-Jun-2011 09:49:02] <Parabola> Hackman238: oh i'm sure, its expensive

[10-Jun-2011 09:49:15] <Parabola> Hackman238:  we only have 8k PPs for ITM and even that was $$

[10-Jun-2011 09:49:25] <Hackman238> Parabola: and...its all core :-)

[10-Jun-2011 09:49:36] <Hackman238> Parabola: Run by a single guy I trained

[10-Jun-2011 09:49:40] <Parabola> Hackman238:  but after I spoke with everyone

[10-Jun-2011 09:49:49] <rocket> dhopp: I used core, built what I needed for my company, zenoss noticed and offered me a consulting thing for solaris and hpux zenpacks, next thing you know I am working for them full time

[10-Jun-2011 09:49:55] <Parabola> and looked at the environment, i dsicovered they really didnt need to pay for ITM

[10-Jun-2011 09:50:12] <Parabola> so i said look you're only doing very basic things. so i put a plan together and started replacing it

[10-Jun-2011 09:50:18] <dhopp> rocket:  I didn't say it was bad..just ironic

[10-Jun-2011 09:50:29] <Hackman238> Parabola: gotchas

[10-Jun-2011 09:50:29] <Parabola> the only thing still left on ITM is our IBM p series (aix ftw!)

[10-Jun-2011 09:50:45] <Parabola> Hackman238: i started with zenoss, but had a bunch of issues, so i'm on another product now

[10-Jun-2011 09:50:56] <Parabola> i did make a cool agent though with ITMs agent builder

[10-Jun-2011 09:51:02] <Parabola> (Very cool product btw)

[10-Jun-2011 09:51:13] <Parabola> i made one to pull environmental data from our security system

[10-Jun-2011 09:51:27] <Parabola> temp, dew point, humidity..ect

[10-Jun-2011 09:51:29] <Hackman238> Parabola: Zenoss requires lots of planning, forethought and finess.

[10-Jun-2011 09:51:35] <Hackman238> Parabola: Nice

[10-Jun-2011 09:51:39] <Parabola> yeah it was fun

[10-Jun-2011 09:51:43] <Parabola> their agent builder is amazing

[10-Jun-2011 09:51:47] <Parabola> did you play with it?

[10-Jun-2011 09:51:54] <rocket> Parabola: one of the things I do really like about zenoss though is that it is really pretty flexible with an addition of some code.

[10-Jun-2011 09:52:11] <Parabola> Rocket: that it is

[10-Jun-2011 09:52:18] <Parabola> I just dont really know python, so i was at a loss on that one

[10-Jun-2011 09:52:35] <Hackman238> Parabola: Nope. I cannot honest live with the guilt of not replacing the inferior product and all of its staff with an efficient solution. I hate government which wastes money

[10-Jun-2011 09:52:38] <dhopp> rocket: agreed..now if we can get the documentation to be able to do said addition of some code

[10-Jun-2011 09:52:42] <rocket> its not too hard to learn .. especially with youtube etc nowdays and all the free ebooks you can find

[10-Jun-2011 09:52:56] <Hackman238> Hackman238: Where there is no solution one can be coded ;-)

[10-Jun-2011 09:52:57] <Parabola> rocket:  oh yeah i saw a few tutorials

[10-Jun-2011 09:53:00] <rocket> dhopp: want to know the best secret I used to learn zenoss myself

[10-Jun-2011 09:53:01] <Parabola> rocket:  it looked HTML easy

[10-Jun-2011 09:53:17] <Parabola> Hackman238: ah gotcha, its a big eclipse plugin

[10-Jun-2011 09:53:18] <rocket> import pdb;pdb.set_trace() at points throughout the code

[10-Jun-2011 09:53:19] <dhopp> rocket:  read the code?

[10-Jun-2011 09:53:21] <Parabola> Hackman238: wizard driven

[10-Jun-2011 09:53:31] <rocket> zopectl fg    to run with the break points

[10-Jun-2011 09:53:35] <Parabola> Hackman238: had the ability to connect to devices to pull data..ect very nice

[10-Jun-2011 09:53:41] <rocket> daemon run -v 10

[10-Jun-2011 09:54:12] <dhopp> rocket:  but even you have to admit, the api/zenpack documentation is lacking

[10-Jun-2011 09:54:13] <Hackman238> Parabola: the value of what it was doing was not equal or greater than its cost to the public.

[10-Jun-2011 09:54:21] <Hackman238> Parabola: No matter how easy it is.

[10-Jun-2011 09:54:24] <rocket> dhopp: oh I am not disagreeing

[10-Jun-2011 09:54:38] <Parabola> Hackman238: oh i'm not arguing

[10-Jun-2011 09:55:03] <Parabola> Hackman238: remember i replaced ITM too hehe

[10-Jun-2011 09:55:16] <Hackman238> Parabola: LOL

[10-Jun-2011 09:55:52] <Parabola> i'm just saying there were a couple things about ITM i could appreicate

[10-Jun-2011 09:56:05] <Parabola> the box of 80 DVDS they mail you for the "install" is not one of them

[10-Jun-2011 09:56:18] <Parabola> in fact today i'll take a picture of my shelf of ITM dvd boxes

[10-Jun-2011 09:57:31] <rocket> Parabola: well one thing to keep in mind is the size of company between IBM and zenoss etc ..

[10-Jun-2011 09:58:01] <rocket> Parabola: they probably have more developers working on this product than our company is large etc as well.

[10-Jun-2011 09:58:27] <rocket> Considering that I think we are doing quite ok ...

[10-Jun-2011 09:59:54] <Parabola> i'm not hating on zenoss mate

[10-Jun-2011 09:59:57] <Parabola>

[10-Jun-2011 10:00:01] <Parabola> you guys do good work

[10-Jun-2011 10:00:07] <Parabola> tivoli sucks

[10-Jun-2011 10:00:13] <Parabola> it works and is stable sure

[10-Jun-2011 10:00:20] <Parabola> but i hated dealing with IBM, and redbooks

[10-Jun-2011 10:04:22] <rocket> Parabola: sorry I am being a little defensive.  There seems to be more attacking on zenoss lately.  Its just not something I like seeing all the time etc.

[10-Jun-2011 10:05:16] <Parabola> i understand mate

[10-Jun-2011 10:05:33] <Parabola> you and nick are the "head on the monster"

[10-Jun-2011 10:05:38] <Parabola> you're in here, so people are gonna bitch to you

[10-Jun-2011 10:06:40] <rocket> I just hope people realize I am just in here because I want to be .. there is no directive from my employer to be here.   At the same time I am in no position to change many of the things people are asking for.

[10-Jun-2011 10:08:23] <Hackman238> rocket: No worries- I'll only flame management for policy, not the product. Zenoss is the best monitoring solution in my opinion.

[10-Jun-2011 10:10:10] <Hackman238> rocket: ...or nyeates when he uses a euphemism which I accidently misinterpret as insult.

[10-Jun-2011 10:11:24] <dhopp> rocket: I think most of the people in here like Zenoss as a whole…just frustrated at some of decisions and the direction it seems to be going.  I'll admit, I'm getting REALLY nervous about my recommendation to try and implement core because we couldn't secure a budget

[10-Jun-2011 10:11:45] <dhopp> rocket:  and that's not because of the product..but I'm worried that core is going to get left behind and I'm going to be stuck with a product I can reliably update

[10-Jun-2011 10:12:31] <Hackman238> dhopp: I wouldnt worry- I've barked at a half dozen 'management' type folks at zenoss and they all tell me what rocket and the others say- its just because they're hosed for time.

[10-Jun-2011 10:12:37] <dhopp> rocket:  or if I can finally secure a budget for enterprise the migration from core to enterprise will be a nightmare because it seems the "core" of the two products is going to be different

[10-Jun-2011 10:13:29] <dhopp> Hackman238:  right…and what are they doing about that?  hiring more people that are going to do what?  work on enterprise

[10-Jun-2011 10:14:00] <Hackman238> dhopp: Really I think the big problem is Avalon is really a tremendous rework of Zenoss.

[10-Jun-2011 10:14:14] <Hackman238> dhopp: Far more work that previous major releases- its just a big release.

[10-Jun-2011 10:14:51] <rocket> avalon is a huge release ...

[10-Jun-2011 10:15:03] <Hackman238> dhopp: I've looked at the code and have tested it at large scale- its hugely revamped and improved.

[10-Jun-2011 10:15:05] <rocket> there are many things that are improving for the better as part of it

[10-Jun-2011 10:15:15] <dhopp> Hackman238:  ugh…that probably means that most of the community zenpacks won't work in it…

[10-Jun-2011 10:15:16] <Hackman238> Should not be called Zenoss 4...should be called Zenoss 5

[10-Jun-2011 10:15:34] <JohnnyNoc> ETA for Avalon?

[10-Jun-2011 10:15:43] <Hackman238> dhopp: Well effort is being made to put class provies in place to maintain some compatability with same methods

[10-Jun-2011 10:16:25] <Hackman238> By the way- so everyone knows I dont represent Zenoss, I'm just telling you my findings.

[10-Jun-2011 10:16:26] <dhopp> JohnnyNoc:  yesterday during the dev chat it was said that 3.1.1 core will come AFTER enterprise avalon, and that won't be until July…so I wouldn't hold your breath

[10-Jun-2011 10:16:57] <JohnnyNoc> that's only 1 month away

[10-Jun-2011 10:17:00] <JohnnyNoc> i can hold!

[10-Jun-2011 10:17:02] <JohnnyNoc>

[10-Jun-2011 10:17:07] <dhopp> 3.1.1 != Avalon

[10-Jun-2011 10:17:11] <JohnnyNoc> reason i ask is because we were goin gto do a 3.1.1 install install

[10-Jun-2011 10:17:13] <JohnnyNoc> *nod*

[10-Jun-2011 10:17:22] <JohnnyNoc> now i'm wondering if we should forego 3.1.1 and wait

[10-Jun-2011 10:17:54] <JohnnyNoc> or 3.1.0

[10-Jun-2011 10:17:57] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: My understanding is 3.1.1 has huge improvements

[10-Jun-2011 10:18:00] <Simon4> JohnnyNoc: what are you on now?

[10-Jun-2011 10:18:03] <JohnnyNoc> 2.5.3

[10-Jun-2011 10:18:19] <Simon4> I beleive you're going to need to go 2.5->3.something->avalon anyway

[10-Jun-2011 10:18:28] <Hackman238> Simon4: Thats accuratre

[10-Jun-2011 10:18:29] <Simon4> so it's probably worth the effort to get to 3.1.1

[10-Jun-2011 10:18:39] <dhopp> Hackman238:  but you are testing the enterprise right?  Which has things like relstorage right?  can you speak to what the core version is going to do? (not trying to be a prick, I'm curious if most of the improvements are because of relstorage)

[10-Jun-2011 10:18:44] <Hackman238> Simon4: So far the migration from 2.5.x->3.x is the hardest part

[10-Jun-2011 10:19:01] <Simon4> Hackman238: yeah, I've done it in labs with our install, it hurts a bit

[10-Jun-2011 10:19:09] <JohnnyNoc> i'm hesitant to actually upgrade...  but just start a new install

[10-Jun-2011 10:19:11] <syoma> hello guys

[10-Jun-2011 10:19:14] <Hackman238> dhopp: I dont know anymore about core than you. I'm sorry.

[10-Jun-2011 10:19:19] <Simon4> biggest hint for anyone else doing it: READ THE INSTRUCTIONS

[10-Jun-2011 10:19:25] <Simon4> then read them again

[10-Jun-2011 10:19:27] <Hackman238> Simon4: Agreed

[10-Jun-2011 10:19:28] <Simon4> and again

[10-Jun-2011 10:19:31] <JohnnyNoc> this 2.5.3 install was a leftover from a previous guy who left some things broken/misconfigured/etc

[10-Jun-2011 10:19:34] <fragfutter> Hackman238: will avalon have the message queue part?

[10-Jun-2011 10:19:40] <Hackman238> Simon4: only other thing could be trace hangups

[10-Jun-2011 10:19:42] <rocket> 3.1.1 will have huge improvements

[10-Jun-2011 10:20:26] <Hackman238> fragfutter: I'm not sure what I'm supposed to not talk about concerning Avalon, but I can tell you the event system is reworked and packed full of awesomness.

[10-Jun-2011 10:20:33] <rocket> 3.1.1 will be a significant fix release and we are recommending customers go to that who are concerned about the major changes coming in avalon

[10-Jun-2011 10:21:12] <rocket> Hackman238: yes it is ... however that comes at a small cost ... the old events on 3.X will not be able to be ported to Avalon

[10-Jun-2011 10:21:43] <dhopp> rocket: wait..so we lose event history?

[10-Jun-2011 10:21:45] <rocket> the database was entirely rewritten...

[10-Jun-2011 10:21:57] <Hackman238> dhopp: completely

[10-Jun-2011 10:22:06] <rocket> dhopp: most customers only keep 7 days of history

[10-Jun-2011 10:22:11] <fragfutter> rocket: are events running through the message queue?

[10-Jun-2011 10:22:19] <dhopp> Hackman238:  oh god…I might as well look at a different product now

[10-Jun-2011 10:22:27] <rocket> so after 7 days it would be a moot point at most customers

[10-Jun-2011 10:22:29] <dhopp> rocket:  yeah..but I've been asked to keep 2 YEARS worth

[10-Jun-2011 10:22:48] <rocket> dhopp: keep the old one in read only mode

[10-Jun-2011 10:23:09] <dhopp> dhopp:  so it's still possible to see the old history?

[10-Jun-2011 10:23:13] <dhopp> err

[10-Jun-2011 10:23:14] <Hackman238> 'ello matt

[10-Jun-2011 10:23:14] <dhopp> rocket:

[10-Jun-2011 10:23:22] <fragfutter> Parabola: and here is matt

[10-Jun-2011 10:23:30] <rocket> yea clone the original ..

[10-Jun-2011 10:23:31] <mattray> good morning all

[10-Jun-2011 10:23:36] <dhopp> rocket: so it's still possible to see the old history?  I thought you just said we completely lose it?

[10-Jun-2011 10:23:42] <rocket> keep it running to see the history

[10-Jun-2011 10:23:51] <rocket> dhopp: 2 instances of zenoss

[10-Jun-2011 10:23:59] <rocket> 3.1 running to see your history

[10-Jun-2011 10:24:11] <rocket> 4.X after upgrading to move forward ...

[10-Jun-2011 10:24:37] <rocket> every customer we demo the new features to agree its worth the upgrade

[10-Jun-2011 10:25:13] <rocket> fragfutter: the events do flow through a message queue now .. but I am not sure if ALL parts of the event system do that ..

[10-Jun-2011 10:25:40] <dhopp> rocket: oh you mean to have 2 instances of zenoss…yeah if it were that easy…I'll get eaten alive when I tell mgmt that the install that we just did 6 months ago has to be kept separate from now going forward(we are implementing now, so when we go to avalon it will be 6 months from now probably),

[10-Jun-2011 10:26:12] <JohnnyNoc> dhopp i'm pretty disappointed too

[10-Jun-2011 10:26:25] <fragfutter> rocket: so i could inject messages into the system using this queue?

[10-Jun-2011 10:26:30] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: dhopp thats only because you havent tried it

[10-Jun-2011 10:26:39] <Simon4> rocket: random question - could a determined person inject old events in manually?

[10-Jun-2011 10:27:00] <JohnnyNoc> tried what?

[10-Jun-2011 10:27:09] <JohnnyNoc> i'm disappointed that they don't provide a tool so you can keep yoru old events

[10-Jun-2011 10:27:10] <Hackman238> Simon4: Seems likely someone will write the foo the convert the old events

[10-Jun-2011 10:27:12] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I'm not saying I won't like the new version…but mgmt is worried about being able to EASILY provide a snapshot of what happened with a given client 2 years ago

[10-Jun-2011 10:27:21] <Simon4> Hackman238: yeah, was my thought

[10-Jun-2011 10:27:22] <rocket> Simon4: I have no idea .. I suppose you could, its just a database backend after all

[10-Jun-2011 10:27:28] <Hackman238> dhopp: gotcha

[10-Jun-2011 10:27:40] <Hackman238> I'm not worried about it

[10-Jun-2011 10:27:44] <Simon4> it's all data, we're all fairly good at manipulating it

[10-Jun-2011 10:27:48] <Hackman238> If someone else doesnt I will.

[10-Jun-2011 10:27:51] <rocket> JohnnyNoc: the problem is the new event system has concepts that dont map to the old system

[10-Jun-2011 10:27:54] <Hackman238> :-)

[10-Jun-2011 10:28:16] <fragfutter> rocket: the question is if old events could be mapped into the new system.

[10-Jun-2011 10:28:22] <JohnnyNoc> that's fine, but you guys know better than any of us so again, i'm disappointed you're saying drop your old events or run two instances of zenoss

[10-Jun-2011 10:28:37] <JohnnyNoc> or, write it yourself

[10-Jun-2011 10:28:37] <JohnnyNoc>

[10-Jun-2011 10:28:43] <rocket> fragfutter: possibly .. you probably would need to map them into the event archive

[10-Jun-2011 10:28:47] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: I"m not saying that- I'm saying I'll write something to map for me

[10-Jun-2011 10:29:00] <rocket> the event archive is now a read only set of events .. you can not bring them back to an active status

[10-Jun-2011 10:29:10] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I personally have tried to fight the battle that as far as events go, we really don't care much past a month or so.  performance data we care about for 2 years (trending).  But I've lost that battle at least twice

[10-Jun-2011 10:29:38] <rocket> so there are active events, inactive events and the event archive now

[10-Jun-2011 10:29:40] <Hackman238> dhopp: perf data isnt lost

[10-Jun-2011 10:29:46] <Parabola> mattray: hey man long time no see

[10-Jun-2011 10:29:51] <dhopp> Hackman238:  right...

[10-Jun-2011 10:30:27] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I was just saying that I can understand why as a company we care about perf data 2 years ago…I don't know why we really care that a 95% utilized disk event occured 2 years ago

[10-Jun-2011 10:30:48] <Hackman238> dhopp: Oh gotcha. I misunderstood. :-)

[10-Jun-2011 10:31:11] <mattray> Parabola: greetings.

[10-Jun-2011 10:31:14] <rocket> dhopp: most of the time people making those decisions arent close enough to the data to really understand how useless it really is

[10-Jun-2011 10:31:29] <Hackman238> dhopp: Its called managers often only understand synergies rather than being qualifed for management and technical areas which are prerequesites for critical thinking and planning.

[10-Jun-2011 10:31:53] <rocket> after maybe 30days tops most event data probably is useless ... unless you are monitoring logins etc .. things that are used for auditing

[10-Jun-2011 10:32:07] <Simon4> that history should live in your ticketing system anyway, driven from the event when it occurred

[10-Jun-2011 10:32:15] <Simon4> but I digress

[10-Jun-2011 10:32:22] <rocket> in that 30day window you should have enough data to figure out your problem and correct it ..

[10-Jun-2011 10:34:34] <rocket> anyway alot of the code regarding the events system is gone.. gone are the full table scans of millions of rows for page updates etc

[10-Jun-2011 10:35:14] <Simon4> rocket: thank $whatever for that!

[10-Jun-2011 10:35:50] <Hackman238> So 3 cheers for no more users locking up zope doing an interface utilization report on 250K interfaces!

[10-Jun-2011 10:37:06] <Hackman238> Hackman238: ...to which the confronted user responds 'we'll it didnt stop me' as if any intelligent human need be told how to avoid obvious disaster...like sticking ones finger in the fan. Uhg...

[10-Jun-2011 10:38:04] <Sam-I-Am> wow, that must have taken some effort

[10-Jun-2011 10:38:15] <Sam-I-Am> reporting here chokes on just a couple hundred interfaces

[10-Jun-2011 10:38:26] <rocket> fortunately/unfortunatly hardening zenoss from idiots takes some time .. and iterations ..

[10-Jun-2011 10:38:28] <fragfutter> Hackman238: users wait for the next user to throw a forkbomb on a server and later complain that the server didn't stop him.

[10-Jun-2011 10:38:41] <Hackman238> rocket: Indeed

[10-Jun-2011 10:39:47] <dhopp> Hackman238 / rocket: however, if there was a way to say "keep this type of event for x days, all others for y days" that would be awesome…Reason being is we have what we can VIP alerts that sla's get tied to in some fashion…being able to say "2 years ago you had x VIP alerts, last year you had y VIP alerts" could be handy

[10-Jun-2011 10:39:48] <Hackman238> fragfutter: 'how come the forkbomb locked up this 48 core suprt box? you said it could do anything!'...says the user who clearly knows not math.

[10-Jun-2011 10:40:56] <Hackman238> dhopp: Personally I'd write a sql query to look for events of the selected x or y event class and check how old and deletye

[10-Jun-2011 10:43:11] <dhopp> Hackman238:  that's probably what I would do..but would still be a nice feature

[10-Jun-2011 10:43:33] <dhopp> Hackman238:  assuming I can convince mgmt that we don't need all the other alert

[10-Jun-2011 10:43:36] <dhopp> *alerts

[10-Jun-2011 10:43:49] <Hackman238> dhopp: Hum. I could menu drive those commands in a pack if you want :-)

[10-Jun-2011 10:44:35] <dhopp> Hackman238:  ha…unless you are going to do it for REALLY cheap I don't think that's going to fly

[10-Jun-2011 10:44:42] <rocket> if I recall my demos properly ... alerts will be much more configurable/flexible ... and you can create alert triggers and users can subscribe to those

[10-Jun-2011 10:44:54] <rocket> no longer is it necessary to setup the same alert for every user etc ..

[10-Jun-2011 10:45:05] <dhopp> Hackman238:  if I didn't have 3 other client projects going on I could probably dive more into the zenoss code and figure out how to do the zenpack myself

[10-Jun-2011 10:45:21] <Hackman238> dhopp: Its easy

[10-Jun-2011 10:45:26] <dhopp> rocket:  ok..that is awesome

[10-Jun-2011 10:45:40] <Hackman238> dhopp: Just add new user commands with the sql queries

[10-Jun-2011 10:45:46] <fragfutter> rocket: will it be possible to include the comments to an event in the notification sent out for an event-ack?

[10-Jun-2011 10:46:19] <dhopp> Hackman238:  yeah, zenpacks don't look hard..but every time I have tried to start one…I get about 30 lines of code written and say to myself "ok, what's next"

[10-Jun-2011 10:46:28] <rocket> fragfutter: I am not sure .. but I *think* so ..

[10-Jun-2011 10:46:44] <Hackman238> dhopp: Sounds like when I'm asked to cook.

[10-Jun-2011 10:46:46] <rocket> fragfutter: the new event notification system is using a consistent tales syntax etc ..

[10-Jun-2011 10:46:52] <dhopp> Hackman238:  LOL

[10-Jun-2011 10:47:12] <Hackman238> rocket: consistant!?

[10-Jun-2011 10:47:39] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I'm sure I can write the code to do everything I need it to do..but making that work in a fashion that is usable by zenoss is where I don't understand

[10-Jun-2011 10:47:42] <Hackman238> rocket: I'll ahve to verify this heresy LOL

[10-Jun-2011 10:47:49] <rocket> yeah .. its no longer that funky syntax that existed before .. but I think its backwards supported ..

[10-Jun-2011 10:48:08] <rocket> eg you can use either .. but we are moving away from the latter

[10-Jun-2011 10:48:29] <Hackman238> rocket: Consistant is a concept yet to be understood in pre avalon zenoss

[10-Jun-2011 10:48:39] <rocket>

[10-Jun-2011 10:48:41] <Hackman238> rocket: Thats great they did that

[10-Jun-2011 10:49:01] <rocket> I *think* anyway thats how they did it

[10-Jun-2011 10:49:28] <Hackman238> rocket: Makes transision easy. Hook'em now, big migration to Avalon in one shot, next migration will be less extreme and strip some backwards compatability with legacy product.

[10-Jun-2011 10:50:04] <Hackman238> rocket: Lets staff focus on whats needed.

[10-Jun-2011 10:50:34] <rocket> Hackman238: yea ..

[10-Jun-2011 10:51:10] <Hackman238> rocket: Cant I ask why you always type two periods?

[10-Jun-2011 10:51:23] <rocket> just so everyone here knows I am not sure when a core version of the avalon branch will be made available.  But I wouldnt be discussing this at all if I didnt think it was coming

[10-Jun-2011 11:24:06] <Hackman238> Quiet in here

[10-Jun-2011 11:24:25] <jmp242> busy, and planning lunch here

[10-Jun-2011 11:24:43] <f00fSteR> Had conferences this whole week at work.

[10-Jun-2011 11:24:54] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: Never fun

[10-Jun-2011 11:25:06] <f00fSteR> First day back on my desk. OMG I missed you B&W screen!

[10-Jun-2011 11:25:21] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: LOL

[10-Jun-2011 11:32:12] <f00fSteR> OMGG! tech always looks small when we have these meetings

[10-Jun-2011 11:32:41] <f00fSteR> umm we're planning on updating our monitoring... more collab via our project management tool, we're gonna make sure notthing breaks as it hasnt... and more ram for everyone!

[10-Jun-2011 11:32:59] <f00fSteR> i just put in the last part there... but had we given everyone more ram i'm sure they would;ve cheered alot more

[10-Jun-2011 11:33:33] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: LOL

[10-Jun-2011 11:37:29] <f00fSteR> anyone know any good social collab tools OSS for the enterprise

[10-Jun-2011 11:37:37] <f00fSteR> talking microblogging users with wiki etc...

[10-Jun-2011 11:38:09] <f00fSteR> i'm looking at this p[latform called xwiki... any other suggestions would be helpful (yes i know about confluence... but the costs dont seem to make sense... every year... it's a damned wiki)

[10-Jun-2011 11:45:33] <Hackman238> rocket: How can I manually remove the relationships for distributed collectors in the event a hostname no longer is accessible?

[10-Jun-2011 11:47:11] <rocket> coll_id='foo'

[10-Jun-2011 11:47:11] <rocket> collector = dmd.Monitors.Performance._getOb(collector)

[10-Jun-2011 11:47:14] <rocket> collector.hub.removeRelation()

[10-Jun-2011 11:47:44] <Hackman238> *face palm* I was doing it the other way around- no wonder. TY

[10-Jun-2011 11:48:32] <rocket> coll_id='foo'

[10-Jun-2011 11:48:32] <rocket> collector = dmd.Monitors.Performance._getOb(collector)

[10-Jun-2011 11:48:44] <rocket> bah

[10-Jun-2011 11:49:11] <rocket> http://www.bordom.net/view/33737/Picard_s_Face_Balm

[10-Jun-2011 11:49:41] <Hackman238> rocket: aye :-)

[10-Jun-2011 11:53:19] <jmp242> f00fSteR: I'd recommend FOSwiki

[10-Jun-2011 11:53:32] <f00fSteR> foswiki ?

[10-Jun-2011 11:53:34] <f00fSteR> OSS ?

[10-Jun-2011 11:53:36] <jmp242> it's the fork of Twiki that has been used by a lot of people

[10-Jun-2011 11:53:39] <jmp242> yes, OSS

[10-Jun-2011 11:53:57] <jmp242> http://foswiki.org/

[10-Jun-2011 11:54:19] <jmp242> We use Twiki now and plan on migrating to FOSwiki the next time we upgrade

[10-Jun-2011 11:54:48] <f00fSteR> nice

[10-Jun-2011 11:54:55] <f00fSteR> microblogging twitter like collab ?

[10-Jun-2011 11:55:09] <f00fSteR> i'm watching this darned 10 min video of alfresco

[10-Jun-2011 11:55:15] <f00fSteR> looks amazin!

[10-Jun-2011 11:56:16] <rmatte> I like twiki myself, simple and to the point

[10-Jun-2011 11:57:47] <f00fSteR> rmatte, I do too. This isnt just for tech... sales and marketing

[10-Jun-2011 11:58:01] <f00fSteR> if it was i'd use media wiki with a pretty skin

[10-Jun-2011 11:58:17] <f00fSteR> Hackman238, ayee mattey ? ARGG!

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[10-Jun-2011 12:09:21] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: ???

[10-Jun-2011 12:16:05] <Hackman238> BRB

[10-Jun-2011 14:51:06] * rmatte yawns

[10-Jun-2011 15:05:40] <Hackman238> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/10/japanese-ball-drone-knows-how-to-make-an-entrance-video/

[10-Jun-2011 15:19:57] <rmatte> dies after 8 minutes, that's useful

[10-Jun-2011 15:24:00] <jmp242> Interesting though

[10-Jun-2011 15:24:31] <Hackman238> neat design

[10-Jun-2011 15:24:50] <jmp242> OT, I managed to get nProbe working with nTop for a PoC... rarely does a compile go that smoothly from someone elses source ...

[10-Jun-2011 15:25:38] <Hackman238> Man Rackspace is awesome- freeze icecream bar today LOL

[10-Jun-2011 15:25:51] <rmatte> I've tried ntop several times and it always ends up raping the system then crashing

[10-Jun-2011 15:26:01] <rmatte> Hackman238: lol, nice

[10-Jun-2011 15:36:58] <jmp242> Well, I'm not putting it on a production server yet lol

[10-Jun-2011 15:37:10] <bigegor> today, i've tested the same Device Template from CIMMon ZenPack against Windows2003,SLES10,Netware6.5, CentOS with Openwsman. and IT WORKS!

[10-Jun-2011 15:37:56] <jmp242> so . .  for those of us mere mortals, want to explain that a little?

[10-Jun-2011 15:38:09] <jmp242> is this using some other management protocol?

[10-Jun-2011 15:38:29] <bigegor> WMI, WBEM, and WS-Management (WinRM)

[10-Jun-2011 15:39:00] <jmp242> and you can use WMI against Linux?

[10-Jun-2011 15:39:05] <jmp242> never heard of that

[10-Jun-2011 15:39:49] <jmp242> Is this a zenpack you're writing then

[10-Jun-2011 15:40:16] <bigegor> no, i've implement DB-API modules for WMI, WBEM and WS-Management protocol, and now it's possible to use SQL datasource to catch data from any source with SQL syntax

[10-Jun-2011 15:41:45] <jmp242> Ok, some googling has enlightened me some

[10-Jun-2011 15:42:10] <jmp242> I guess you can get more data from this than SNMP? And it's common across platforms? But isn't it a heavier load than SNMP?

[10-Jun-2011 15:43:22] <bigegor> not so common

[10-Jun-2011 15:43:49] <jmp242> Ahh

[10-Jun-2011 15:44:29] <bigegor> o.e latest IBM Systems Director Agent doesn't have it.

[10-Jun-2011 15:46:10] <bigegor> many latest management software simply wrapping SNMP requests to CIMMOM.

[10-Jun-2011 15:48:00] <bigegor> VMware ESXi also doesn't support SNMP.

[10-Jun-2011 16:19:09] <dhopp> bigegor:  are you a core only user or do you have enterprise?

[10-Jun-2011 16:19:24] <bigegor> core only

[10-Jun-2011 16:19:40] <dhopp> bigegor:  cool…you have some awesome zenpacks..thanks!

[10-Jun-2011 16:19:49] <bigegor> np

[10-Jun-2011 16:20:02] <dhopp> bigegor:  are you looking to move your linux monitoring over to WBEM exclusively?

[10-Jun-2011 16:21:11] <bigegor> i'll trying to implement CIM only monitoring for any OSs and any Hardware vendors

[10-Jun-2011 16:22:36] <dhopp> bigegor:  I really need to look into it some more...

[10-Jun-2011 16:23:17] <bigegor> here: https://github.com/epuzanov/ZenPacks.community.SQLDataSource and here https://github.com/epuzanov/ZenPacks.community.CIMMon

[10-Jun-2011 16:23:48] <dhopp> bigegor:  I was looking at taking your MsSQL Zenpack and try to have it also do SQL Jobs (create a DB Jobs component)…but I realized that I am just not up that level of ZenPack development yet

[10-Jun-2011 16:50:55] <uifjlh1> I'm trying to find the "devices classes" tab/interface on Core 3.1... what am I missing ?

[10-Jun-2011 16:51:05] <uifjlh1> docs/DOC-3080

[10-Jun-2011 16:53:27] <Hackman238> uifjlh1: Missing all the tabs :-)

[10-Jun-2011 16:53:47] <Hackman238> uifjlh1: Zenoss 3 is ogranized differntly

[10-Jun-2011 16:53:58] <Hackman238> uifjlh1: If you can call it organized ;-)

[10-Jun-2011 16:54:21] <uifjlh1> I"ve noticed everything isn't where all the doc's say it is ...

[10-Jun-2011 16:54:54] <uifjlh1> in that URL figure 9.2, I've seen this screen, but IDK now where it's hiding

[10-Jun-2011 16:55:13] <uifjlh1> ... in Core 3.1

[10-Jun-2011 17:01:32] <dhopp> uifjlh1:  click on infrastructure at the top

[10-Jun-2011 17:01:40] <dhopp> uifjlh1:  device classes will be on the left

[10-Jun-2011 17:02:28] <uifjlh1> yes, but where is that other screen ?

[10-Jun-2011 17:02:39] <dhopp> uifjlh1:  which other screen?

[10-Jun-2011 17:03:06] <uifjlh1> figure 9.2 in the URL above

[10-Jun-2011 17:03:37] <dhopp> I'm not sure what you are asking..figure 9.2 shows the device class tree…that's under infrastructure

[10-Jun-2011 17:04:25] <uifjlh1> right, but I can't find the "tree"

[10-Jun-2011 17:04:52] <uifjlh1> not trying to be difficult, just don't remember where that screen is in Core 3.1

[10-Jun-2011 17:04:56] <dhopp> uifjlh1:  when you click on Infrastructure at the top…it should switch to a new screen

[10-Jun-2011 17:05:18] <dhopp> uifjlh1:  on that new screen you will see "Devices, Network, Processes, etc"

[10-Jun-2011 17:05:27] <dhopp> uifjlh1: make sure "Devices" is highlighted

[10-Jun-2011 17:05:28] <uifjlh1> yep

[10-Jun-2011 17:05:39] <dhopp> uifjlh1:  then you should see "Device Classes"

[10-Jun-2011 17:05:48] <uifjlh1> yes

[10-Jun-2011 17:05:54] <dhopp> uifjlh1:  and it will list the classes…AWS, Discovered, HTTP, etc.

[10-Jun-2011 17:06:06] <uifjlh1> right

[10-Jun-2011 17:06:11] <uifjlh1> (correct)

[10-Jun-2011 17:06:16] <dhopp> uifjlh1:  if there is subclasses the class should have an arrow next to it

[10-Jun-2011 17:06:20] <dhopp> that is your tree

[10-Jun-2011 17:06:27] <dhopp> or are you talking about the overview?

[10-Jun-2011 17:06:33] <dhopp> that shows events based on device class?

[10-Jun-2011 17:08:44] <uifjlh1> duh, the doc I'm looking at is v. 2.4.3, not 3.1 ...

[10-Jun-2011 17:09:10] <dhopp> uifjlh1:  yeah…the screen shot is not 3.1

[10-Jun-2011 17:09:38] <uifjlh1> ok, I'll stop looking for a screen that's not there... TY very much

[10-Jun-2011 17:10:04] <uifjlh1> it's friday pm & I should stop ...

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[10-Jun-2011 18:11:29] <jakbeatz> Hi, is there any variable I can use in a graph report to denote the interface description of an interface that I'm including in the graph?

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[13-Jun-2011 05:19:45] <Me-S> Hi

[13-Jun-2011 05:20:15] <Me-S> when i click on Advanced > Monitoring Templates

[13-Jun-2011 05:20:20] <Me-S> i see this error

[13-Jun-2011 05:20:22] <Me-S> Exception Cannot find "root". KeyError: 'root'

[13-Jun-2011 05:20:45] <Me-S> but my zenoss work good

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:03] <Me-S> any solution ?

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:20] <Me-S> this is my event.log when this error shows

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:41] <Me-S> 2011-06-13T17:33:53 ERROR extdirect Cannot find "root". KeyError: 'root'

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:42] <Me-S> Traceback (most recent call last):

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:42] <Me-S>   File "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/ZenUtils/extdirect/router.py", line 128, in _processDirectRequest

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:42] <Me-S>     result = _targetfn(**data)

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:42] <Me-S>   File "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/Zuul/routers/template.py", line 33, in getTemplates

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:42] <Me-S>     return Zuul.marshal(templates)

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:42] <Me-S>   File "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/Zuul/__init__.py", line 116, in marshal

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:43] <Me-S>     for o in obj:

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:43] <Me-S>   File "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/Zuul/facades/templatefacade.py", line 62, in _getTemplateLeaves

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:44] <Me-S>     obj = self._getObject(id)

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:44] <Me-S>   File "/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/Zuul/facades/__init__.py", line 66, in _getObject

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:45] <Me-S>     raise Exception('Cannot find "%s". %s: %s' % args)

[13-Jun-2011 05:21:45] <Me-S> Exception: Cannot find "root". KeyError: 'root'

[13-Jun-2011 05:48:41] <froztbyte> Me-S: please use a pastebin

[13-Jun-2011 05:50:10] <Me-S> froztbyte:sorry

[13-Jun-2011 05:52:27] <Me-S> http://pastebin.com/8EvVfRfq

[13-Jun-2011 05:53:20] <Me-S> clear

[13-Jun-2011 07:56:15] <AndrisB> hello, anyone knows why i would be redirected to login page when i try to enter "http://<username>:<password>@10.0.2.14:8080/zport/dmd/Devices/getSubDevices" in a browser?

[13-Jun-2011 07:56:25] <AndrisB> if i login manually, it works

[13-Jun-2011 09:23:43] <Hackman238> Hellow all

[13-Jun-2011 09:23:49] <Hackman238> *Hello

[13-Jun-2011 09:23:49] <Simon4> oh hai

[13-Jun-2011 09:24:07] <Hackman238> Simon4: Chef joke?

[13-Jun-2011 09:24:11] <Hackman238> :-)

[13-Jun-2011 09:24:26] <Simon4> Hackman238: heh, can't remember where it came from now, friend always says it and I've picked it up

[13-Jun-2011 09:25:14] <Hackman238> Simon4: hahaha gotcha. Could be cat speak or oh hai from chef.

[13-Jun-2011 09:25:51] <Hackman238> I had a large install self destruct last night- absolutely no reason to speak of either.

[13-Jun-2011 09:26:42] <Simon4> ouch... zopedb issues?

[13-Jun-2011 09:27:20] <Hackman238> No changes, nothing- just monitoring quietly and then boom!- zope couldn't figure our where the python class 'DeviceClass' resided. Env all good, zenoss files intact according to trip. Just blew up.

[13-Jun-2011 09:27:31] <Simon4> yikes

[13-Jun-2011 09:27:56] <Hackman238> The really scarey part is a packed copy of the db from about 4 hours earier fired up like cake and theres been no issue sense.

[13-Jun-2011 09:28:13] <Simon4> hate that kind of thing

[13-Jun-2011 09:28:22] <Hackman238> *sigh* Sounds like hardware shenanagains- uncaught cpu check or ecc error.

[13-Jun-2011 09:28:58] <Hackman238> *since

[13-Jun-2011 09:29:08] <Hackman238> Sorry...very very tired from debuging all night LOL

[13-Jun-2011 09:29:49] <Hackman238> The elixer of the gods (coffee) can only revitalize so much

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[13-Jun-2011 10:00:28] <Simon4> I got my hands on the beta too, will hopefully get a chance to play this week

[13-Jun-2011 10:10:38] <Hackman238> Simon4: Nice. B5?

[13-Jun-2011 10:10:53] <Simon4> yah

[13-Jun-2011 10:12:39] <Hackman238> Simon4: Let me know your impressions.

[13-Jun-2011 10:12:46] <Simon4> yeah will do

[13-Jun-2011 10:16:17] <rocket> ?

[13-Jun-2011 10:16:42] <Simon4> rocket: we're speaking in code ;-)

[13-Jun-2011 10:17:17] <rocket> I joined in the middle of the conversation....

[13-Jun-2011 10:17:30] <Simon4> talking about Avalon B5

[13-Jun-2011 10:18:04] <Simon4> and the fact that I have, but haven't done anything with as yet

[13-Jun-2011 10:18:32] <AndrisB> is it possible to get the results of REST request in XML format?

[13-Jun-2011 10:26:45] <rmatte> Hackman238: that sucks about that instance self-destructing on you

[13-Jun-2011 10:28:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yes, very strange happening

[13-Jun-2011 10:28:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: Hows by you?

[13-Jun-2011 10:28:30] <rmatte> AndrisB: use XML-RPC

[13-Jun-2011 10:28:38] <rmatte> there's a section in the admin guide that explains it

[13-Jun-2011 10:28:45] <rmatte> Hackman238: good good

[13-Jun-2011 10:29:23] <rmatte> Just trying to teach people who are used to using a windows cvs server how to use it properly on linux

[13-Jun-2011 10:29:56] <rmatte> "We can't checkout /var/cvs/ebus anymore!" "That's because it's actually /var/cvs/EBus, you just never noticed because windows doesn't care about case."

[13-Jun-2011 10:29:57] <rmatte> lol

[13-Jun-2011 10:30:54] <rmatte> "\var\cvs isn't the correct cvs root!" "yes, that's because you have the slashes the wrong way."

[13-Jun-2011 10:31:27] <rmatte> hmmm, time for con call

[13-Jun-2011 10:31:36] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL

[13-Jun-2011 10:32:06] <dhopp> is there a way to acknowledge multiple events AND add a comment to those events?

[13-Jun-2011 10:32:25] <rmatte> dhopp: not unless you script it

[13-Jun-2011 10:32:38] <dhopp> rmatte:  booo..ok..thanks

[13-Jun-2011 10:32:56] <dhopp> rmatte:  would be a good feature in my opinion

[13-Jun-2011 10:33:00] <rmatte> I do agree that being able to add comments to multiple events would be a nice feature... you could put in a feature request in trac

[13-Jun-2011 10:33:26] <rmatte> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac login with zenoss/zenoss

[13-Jun-2011 10:33:52] <rmatte> or ask Nick Yeates for your own account

[13-Jun-2011 10:34:07] <rmatte> you can log bugs and feature requests there

[13-Jun-2011 10:34:21] <dhopp> rmatte:  yeah I know…done it before

[13-Jun-2011 10:34:24] <rmatte> k

[13-Jun-2011 10:34:55] <dhopp> a few years ago when I used Zenoss at a previous company…I've used Zenoss for a while..but now finally implementing it at a decent sized datacenter

[13-Jun-2011 10:35:03] <dhopp> not rackspace big, but decent

[13-Jun-2011 10:35:55] <rmatte> ah

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[13-Jun-2011 10:53:26] <AndrisB> rmatte: so it's not possible through ReST?

[13-Jun-2011 10:53:35] <rmatte> REST doesn't output in XML

[13-Jun-2011 10:53:43] <AndrisB> mkay, thanks

[13-Jun-2011 10:53:48] <rmatte> It's like asking to output JSON in XML

[13-Jun-2011 10:53:52] <rmatte> it's not designed to do that

[13-Jun-2011 10:54:27] <AndrisB> it's just that OpenNMS uses ReST and gives results in XML, that's why I asked if there was a way to get the same here

[13-Jun-2011 10:54:57] <AndrisB> gotta learn XML-RPC in C++ then

[13-Jun-2011 10:55:23] <rmatte> well rest can technically output in any format... it's just dumping data via http

[13-Jun-2011 10:55:35] <rmatte> but Zenoss doesn't dump it in xml, it just dumps it in plaintext

[13-Jun-2011 10:55:55] <rmatte> I doubt xml-rpc will be too difficult in c++

[13-Jun-2011 10:56:02] <AndrisB> yeah i got that

[13-Jun-2011 10:56:05] <AndrisB> i was just wondering

[13-Jun-2011 10:56:16] <rmatte> lol

[13-Jun-2011 10:57:19] <AndrisB> heh, should be easy enough: http://xmlrpc-c.sourceforge.net/

[13-Jun-2011 10:57:20] <AndrisB>

[13-Jun-2011 10:58:21] <rmatte> yup

[13-Jun-2011 11:07:08] <dhopp> woot

[13-Jun-2011 11:07:25] <dhopp> I requested 16 GB of RAM for my distributed collectors and it looks like we are quoting out 32 GB

[13-Jun-2011 11:07:56] <Hackman238> dhopp: alsways ask for 3x what you need LOL

[13-Jun-2011 11:08:24] <Hackman238> dhopp: Gives you barganing room if inventory is tough

[13-Jun-2011 11:08:38] <rocket> Hackman238: did you ever find out what is taking so much space in the zodb when you are trying to install the beta?

[13-Jun-2011 11:08:54] <dhopp> Well it looks like the collectors will be 16 core with 32 GB of RAM and a 10 disk RAID 10 :-)

[13-Jun-2011 11:09:51] <Hackman238> rocket: Ah yes- cryptic ZODB problem. Basically it kept re-migrating the same object thousands of times

[13-Jun-2011 11:09:58] <Hackman238> rocket: indefinately.

[13-Jun-2011 11:10:00] <dhopp> Web/hub/mysql will be 8 core with 16 (possibly 24) GB of RAM

[13-Jun-2011 11:10:08] <dhopp> Hackman238:  what's wrong with that? :-P

[13-Jun-2011 11:10:17] <dhopp> Hackman238:  it just wanted to make sure that object was in the db

[13-Jun-2011 11:10:22] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL

[13-Jun-2011 11:10:29] <rocket> Hackman238: did you find a solution? or do we need to take a look into it?

[13-Jun-2011 11:11:40] <Hackman238> rocket: I rebuilt the v2, migrated to v3 and ran a bunch of zope magic to clear out any gunk then retried the v4- seemed ok.

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[13-Jun-2011 12:37:53] <dhopp> hello—llo—lo—o

[13-Jun-2011 12:37:56] <dhopp> wow seems to be an echo

[13-Jun-2011 12:38:47] <rmatte> indeed

[13-Jun-2011 12:39:09] <dhopp> people must be trying to work or something

[13-Jun-2011 12:43:45] <rmatte> yup

[13-Jun-2011 12:44:21] <dhopp> rmatte: do you integrate a ticketing system with zenoss at all?

[13-Jun-2011 12:44:26] <rmatte> yes

[13-Jun-2011 12:44:28] <rmatte> OTRS

[13-Jun-2011 12:44:38] <dhopp> easy?

[13-Jun-2011 12:44:42] <rmatte> not really

[13-Jun-2011 12:44:49] <dhopp> not the answer I was hoping for

[13-Jun-2011 12:44:51] <dhopp> he

[13-Jun-2011 12:44:53] <dhopp> heh

[13-Jun-2011 12:45:12] <dhopp> I've seen some stuff with RT

[13-Jun-2011 12:45:24] <rmatte> I wrote part of the integration and my old boss wrote the other half

[13-Jun-2011 12:45:32] <rmatte> he wrote a python script that communicates with OTRS via SOAP

[13-Jun-2011 12:45:39] <rmatte> and I wrote a Zenoss daemon that uses that script

[13-Jun-2011 12:45:40] <rmatte> http://dmon.org/zenticket.html

[13-Jun-2011 12:46:16] <rmatte> We did a lost of customization to OTRS though, it barely even looks like OTRS anymore

[13-Jun-2011 12:46:32] <Sam-I-Am> morning folks

[13-Jun-2011 12:46:38] <rmatte> or sorry, he wrote a perl script that communicates with OTRS rather

[13-Jun-2011 12:46:52] <rmatte> using perl's SOAP API

[13-Jun-2011 12:47:00] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: morning

[13-Jun-2011 12:47:12] <Sam-I-Am> in the rockies this week

[13-Jun-2011 12:47:15] <Sam-I-Am> so nice and cool

[13-Jun-2011 12:47:40] <rmatte> nice

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[13-Jun-2011 13:13:34] <jackery> How do I disable /perf/interface event thresholds?

[13-Jun-2011 13:14:15] <rmatte> what do you mean by "event thresholds"?

[13-Jun-2011 13:14:55] <jackery> I'm receiving events in my event console for devices because they are breaching a threshold of loopback-interface utilization.

[13-Jun-2011 13:15:08] <jackery> These are the events I want to disable.

[13-Jun-2011 13:16:56] <jackery> Here is the event key: "ifInOctets_ifInOctets|high utilization"

[13-Jun-2011 13:18:04] <rmatte> Why are you even monitoring loopback interfaces to begin with?

[13-Jun-2011 13:18:12] <rmatte> There's no value in doing that

[13-Jun-2011 13:18:14] <jackery> Out-of-the-box configuration.

[13-Jun-2011 13:18:29] <rmatte> right, obviously it's not going to work perfectly out of the box, configure it not to monitor those

[13-Jun-2011 13:18:34] <jackery> The real question should be, if it provides no value, why is it defaultly monitored.

[13-Jun-2011 13:18:41] <jackery>

[13-Jun-2011 13:18:52] <jackery> How do I easily change this behavior and roll this out to all existing devices?

[13-Jun-2011 13:19:00] <rmatte> Some people may want to monitor their virtual interfaces for some reason, but most people don't

[13-Jun-2011 13:19:22] <rmatte> the best way is to go in to the zProperties for the /Devices class

[13-Jun-2011 13:19:30] <jackery> aha!

[13-Jun-2011 13:19:33] <rmatte> there are zMonitorIgnoreInterfaceType and InterfaceName

[13-Jun-2011 13:19:42] <rmatte> or something along those lines (doing this off the top of my head)

[13-Jun-2011 13:19:44] <jackery> excellent.

[13-Jun-2011 13:19:47] <jackery> I'll check this now

[13-Jun-2011 13:20:11] <rmatte> once you've modified those you need to remodel all of your devices

[13-Jun-2011 13:20:18] <rmatte> and it'll eliminate any of those interfaces

[13-Jun-2011 13:21:06] <jackery> And this value is expressed as a regular expression, correct?

[13-Jun-2011 13:40:18] <cluther> jackery: Yes, they're regular expressions.

[13-Jun-2011 13:41:15] <cluther> jackery: You could also create two templates at /Devices: one called softwareLoopback and one called softwareLoopback_64. Leave them as empty templates without any data sources.

[13-Jun-2011 13:41:31] <rmatte> yeh, that is another way of doing it

[13-Jun-2011 13:41:33] <cluther> This way Zenoss will still model the loopback interfaces, but it won't collect for them.

[13-Jun-2011 13:42:08] <jackery> cluther, rmatte thanks for the help.

[13-Jun-2011 13:42:44] <jackery> When remodeling on an enterprise system with a separate master and collectors, do I simply run "zenmodeler run" on the master?

[13-Jun-2011 13:42:50] <jackery> or is there something more complex required?

[13-Jun-2011 13:43:52] <cluther> From the CLI you'd have to run zenmodeler on the collectors too. "COLLECTORNAME_zenmodeler run"

[13-Jun-2011 13:44:08] <cluther> In this case you can make it faster by only remodeling interfaces: zenmodeler run --collect=InterfaceMap

[13-Jun-2011 13:44:41] <rmatte> nice, didn't even know you could do that, that'll help me with something that I'm writing

[13-Jun-2011 13:45:09] <cluther> Yup, quite useful. "InterfaceMap" is a regex too, not a literal match.

[13-Jun-2011 13:45:29] <rmatte> cool

[13-Jun-2011 13:46:16] <rmatte> so you could do --collect=(InterfaceMap|FileSystemMap)

[13-Jun-2011 13:46:18] <rmatte> or whatever

[13-Jun-2011 13:46:26] <rmatte> well, with quotes around it

[13-Jun-2011 13:46:42] <rmatte> --collect="(InterfaceMap|FileSystemMap)"

[13-Jun-2011 13:46:54] <rmatte> afk for a sec

[13-Jun-2011 13:47:14] <jackery> cluther: what do you mean "COLLECTORNAME_zenmodeler run"

[13-Jun-2011 13:47:27] <jackery> Or do I misunderstand CLI?

[13-Jun-2011 13:47:57] <dhopp> what type is zCollectoPlugins?  I can't seem to get the JSON api to show me what it looks like

[13-Jun-2011 13:47:58] <cluther> jackery: If you login via ssh to each collector as the zenoss user you'll find a script called "*_zenmodeler" where * is whatever you named the collector.

[13-Jun-2011 13:48:24] <jackery> ahh, I was attempting to run this from the master.

[13-Jun-2011 13:48:29] <jackery> Thanks for all this help!

[13-Jun-2011 13:48:45] <cluther> dhopp: It's a multiselect

[13-Jun-2011 13:49:19] <cluther> dhopp: Basically a list

[13-Jun-2011 13:49:29] <dhopp> cluther:  ok..and in a python script how would I set it?  I can set simple zProps (like zLinks) but can't figure out this

[13-Jun-2011 13:50:04] <rmatte> dhopp you'd have to manipulate the list and then set it as that...

[13-Jun-2011 13:50:54] <dhopp> rmatte:  so do I do something like:

[13-Jun-2011 13:51:08] <rmatte> >>> d.zCollectorPlugins

[13-Jun-2011 13:51:08] <rmatte> ['zenoss.snmp.NewDeviceMap', 'zenoss.snmp.DeviceMap', 'DellDeviceMap', 'HPDeviceMap', 'zenoss.snmp.InterfaceMap', 'zenoss.snmp.RouteMap', 'zenoss.snmp.IpServiceMap', 'zenoss.snmp.HRFileSystemMap', 'zenoss.snmp.HRSWRunMap', 'zenoss.snmp.CpuMap', 'DellCPUMap', 'DellPCIMap', 'HPCPUMap']

[13-Jun-2011 13:51:19] <rmatte> that's what the actual data in the property looks like

[13-Jun-2011 13:51:25] <rmatte> so you need to modify that data then set it

[13-Jun-2011 13:51:51] <dhopp> ok…I'll see if I can get JSON to do it

[13-Jun-2011 13:52:14] <rmatte> JSON actually works in an extremely similar format

[13-Jun-2011 13:52:31] <dhopp> rmatte:  yeah..but I can't seem to get JSON to "get" any zproperties

[13-Jun-2011 13:52:33] <dhopp> but I can set them

[13-Jun-2011 13:52:42] <rmatte> strange

[13-Jun-2011 13:52:42] <dhopp> I set zlinks fine..but if I try to retrieve it it bombs

[13-Jun-2011 13:53:00] <dhopp> however looking at the UI the zlinks got set to what I told it to set to..so I know it works

[13-Jun-2011 13:53:20] <rmatte> right

[13-Jun-2011 13:53:35] <rmatte> I just wonder what it's choking on on the retrieval

[13-Jun-2011 13:55:06] <dhopp> rmatte:  basically if I don't tell JSON what to retrieve it is supposed to retrieve everything..however no zProperties are in that output…it's all generic stuff

[13-Jun-2011 13:55:21] <rmatte> hmmm

[13-Jun-2011 13:55:33] <dhopp> rmatte: I'd have to try it again, but when I told it to retrieve "zLinks"…it gave me an error message

[13-Jun-2011 13:55:43] <rmatte> what was the message?

[13-Jun-2011 13:56:01] <dhopp> hold on a sec…let me see if I can do it again

[13-Jun-2011 13:56:41] <rmatte> k

[13-Jun-2011 14:00:17] <dhopp> I take that back..it didn't give me an error…just doesn't return anything

[13-Jun-2011 14:00:46] <dhopp> here is calling getInfo without anything (so returns "all")

[13-Jun-2011 14:00:47] <dhopp> [zenoss@zen-dev ~]$ python -i ZenossAPI.py

[13-Jun-2011 14:00:47] <dhopp> >>> z = ZenossAPI()

[13-Jun-2011 14:00:47] <dhopp> >>> z.get_info('/zport/dmd/Devices/Clients/Test')

[13-Jun-2011 14:00:47] <dhopp> {u'disabled': False, u'data': {u'description': None, u'events': {u'info': 0, u'debug': 0, u'critical': 0, u'warning': 0, u'error': 0}, u'meta_type': u'DeviceClass', u'inspector_type': u'DeviceClass', u'path': u'/Devices/Clients/Test', u'objectProperties': [{u'type': u'string', u'id': u'description', u'mode': u'w'}, {u'type': u'lines', u'id': u'devtypes', u'mode': u'w'}], u'uid': u'/zport/dmd/Devices/Clients/Test', u'id': u'Test', u'name': u'Test'}, u'success':

[13-Jun-2011 14:01:14] <dhopp> notice no zproperties

[13-Jun-2011 14:01:25] <dhopp> and telling it to return 'zLinks':

[13-Jun-2011 14:01:26] <dhopp> >>> z.get_info('/zport/dmd/Devices/Clients/Test', 'zLinks')

[13-Jun-2011 14:01:26] <dhopp> {u'disabled': False, u'data': {u'uid': u'/zport/dmd/Devices/Clients/Test'}, u'success': True}

[13-Jun-2011 14:01:49] <rmatte> hmmm

[13-Jun-2011 14:02:49] <rmatte> no idea, I haven't tried to use the JSON API for Zenoss yet

[13-Jun-2011 14:03:14] <dhopp> yeah…I found a forum post where they applied a couple of patches but the second patch failed for me…I haven't had time to try and figure out why

[13-Jun-2011 14:03:24] <rmatte> ah

[13-Jun-2011 14:44:03] <dhopp> argh...

[13-Jun-2011 14:56:00] <Hackman238> rocket: You around?

[13-Jun-2011 15:01:31] <dhopp> crap..I thought my zProperties were being set through JSON but apparently I was wrong...

[13-Jun-2011 15:07:21] <rocket> no I am tall and skinny

[13-Jun-2011 15:07:51] <rocket> ok I am slightly rounding .. you got me ...

[13-Jun-2011 15:07:55] <Hackman238> rocket: LOL

[13-Jun-2011 15:09:03] <Hackman238> rocket: Quick question on the feasability of migration of v3 events to avalon- how monumental of a differnce is there between the two schemas? Any deal breaker differnces?

[13-Jun-2011 15:09:52] <rocket> honestly I currently know about 0% of the new schema

[13-Jun-2011 15:09:58] <Hackman238> rocket: Or is it the sort of case where the events can be massaged in to the new events db using dummy values for mapping.

[13-Jun-2011 15:10:25] <Hackman238> rocket: Alrighty, np. I try to ask you first since you're the best guy over there.

[13-Jun-2011 15:11:01] <rocket> I would *guess* you could map something but I have no idea ...

[13-Jun-2011 15:12:17] <rmatte> Hackman238: I doubt that they changed the event schema at all

[13-Jun-2011 15:12:25] <rocket> rmatte: buzzz wrong

[13-Jun-2011 15:12:31] <rocket>

[13-Jun-2011 15:12:32] <Hackman238> rocket: Alrighty. Just wanted to gauge the difficulty so I could put it in the right priority

[13-Jun-2011 15:13:00] <rocket> Hackman238: I would say if we havent done it already its at least medium difficulty for time or higher

[13-Jun-2011 15:13:01] <dhopp> rmatte:  they did…we discussed it last week…version 3 events will not import to 4 (not automatically anyway)

[13-Jun-2011 15:13:03] <Hackman238> rmatte: Its very differnt so far as I've looked. Really Avalon is 250% improvement

[13-Jun-2011 15:13:04] <rmatte> meh, it hadn't been changed since the day I started using it so I didn't figure they'd be changing it now... but I guess I was wrong lol

[13-Jun-2011 15:13:07] <rocket> Hackman238: otherwise we would have done it already

[13-Jun-2011 15:13:27] <Hackman238> rocket: makes sense.

[13-Jun-2011 15:14:25] <rocket> rmatte: we needed to do it to resolve major performance issues with certain page loads for our largest customers

[13-Jun-2011 15:14:51] <rmatte> rocket: cool, so long as it improves performance I'm happy

[13-Jun-2011 15:14:53] <rocket> you know the ones that love us so much they plan on quadrupleing in zenoss use ..

[13-Jun-2011 15:15:02] <rmatte> lol

[13-Jun-2011 15:16:24] <Hackman238>

[13-Jun-2011 15:18:49] <dhopp> does zenpatch save the patch file somewhere?

[13-Jun-2011 15:18:55] <rmatte> yes

[13-Jun-2011 15:19:00] <dhopp> I need to figure out why this patch if failing

[13-Jun-2011 15:19:15] <dhopp> rmatte: can you elaborate :-P

[13-Jun-2011 15:19:23] <rmatte> yeh one sec, I'm looking

[13-Jun-2011 15:19:27] <rmatte> don't know off the top of my head

[13-Jun-2011 15:19:40] <rmatte> $ZENHOME/Products

[13-Jun-2011 15:19:45] <rmatte> you'll see .patch files

[13-Jun-2011 15:19:50] <dhopp> ah

[13-Jun-2011 15:19:51] <dhopp> thanks

[13-Jun-2011 15:19:56] <rmatte> np

[13-Jun-2011 15:22:29] <Hackman238> uh oh- B5 fails to migrate where B4 prevails.

[13-Jun-2011 15:22:40] <Hackman238> *regression face palm*

[13-Jun-2011 15:22:49] <dhopp> Hackman238:  lol

[13-Jun-2011 15:22:52] <rmatte> lol

[13-Jun-2011 15:23:39] <rmatte> Hackman238: you're just testing Avalon right?  Or are you actually migrating production boxes already?

[13-Jun-2011 15:25:02] <dhopp> ahhh…I was missing a required patch…now hopefully this works

[13-Jun-2011 15:28:28] <rmatte> cool

[13-Jun-2011 15:29:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: test migrations

[13-Jun-2011 15:29:09] <rmatte> ah

[13-Jun-2011 15:29:19] <rmatte> so far they are sounding fairly gruesome lol

[13-Jun-2011 15:29:41] <Hackman238> Jesus-B5 is fail across the board. I cant even migrate our HKG DC.

[13-Jun-2011 15:29:56] <rmatte> ewww

[13-Jun-2011 15:29:59] <rmatte> rollback time

[13-Jun-2011 15:29:59] <Hackman238> B4 migrates and starts right up.

[13-Jun-2011 15:30:36] <Hackman238> Bah- no rollbacks. LOL All scripted auto restore of a DC backup, reconf of said backup to be a dummy, then migration

[13-Jun-2011 15:30:50] <Hackman238> rm /opt/zenoss/ -Rf

[13-Jun-2011 15:30:53] <Hackman238> ;-)

[13-Jun-2011 15:31:01] <rmatte> haha, nice

[13-Jun-2011 15:31:17] <Hackman238> Frankly I've reinstalled Zenoss 2-300 times today alone

[13-Jun-2011 15:31:26] <rmatte> crazy

[13-Jun-2011 15:31:32] <Hackman238> I run several test boxes with all scripted tests.

[13-Jun-2011 15:31:37] <dhopp> wow..2-300 times..that's a BIG range :-P

[13-Jun-2011 15:31:51] <dhopp> you've either been really busy..or picking your nose

[13-Jun-2011 15:31:54] <Hackman238> dhopp: I means 200-300

[13-Jun-2011 15:31:59] <Hackman238> *meant

[13-Jun-2011 15:32:02] <rmatte> lol

[13-Jun-2011 15:32:03] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I know..I'm messing with you

[13-Jun-2011 15:32:09] <Hackman238> saving bits

[13-Jun-2011 15:32:16] <Hackman238> Though my nose is rather clean

[13-Jun-2011 15:32:18] <Hackman238> LOL

[13-Jun-2011 15:32:41] * rmatte makes a face implying "no comment"

[13-Jun-2011 15:32:53] <Hackman238> hahaha

[13-Jun-2011 15:33:09] <Hackman238> None of that here. Just messing

[13-Jun-2011 15:33:17] <rmatte> haha

[13-Jun-2011 15:33:34] <Hackman238> I'm too busy to double check my messages let alone go mining

[13-Jun-2011 15:33:36] <Hackman238> LOL

[13-Jun-2011 15:34:12] <Hackman238> Lets see if my good friend pound sign will fix zenmigrate.

[13-Jun-2011 15:35:21] <rmatte> This is a pound sign: http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/pwe/lowres/pwen139l.jpg

[13-Jun-2011 15:37:10] <Hackman238> Must be careful otherwise may spring another weird zodb leak

[13-Jun-2011 15:37:12] <Hackman238> :-)

[13-Jun-2011 15:37:22] <rmatte> indeed

[13-Jun-2011 15:59:24] <Hackman238> Interesting line -> "28255 zenoss    25   0 52.8g  12g 5832 R 92.6 39.9 232:51.44 python"

[13-Jun-2011 16:00:29] <Hackman238> ^Thats a DMD session

[13-Jun-2011 16:02:12] <syoma> dear

[13-Jun-2011 16:02:44] <syoma> somebody know the best automatic backup system?

[13-Jun-2011 16:02:53] <syoma> (opensource) XD

[13-Jun-2011 16:03:13] <rocket> I have used amanda in the past .. it worked well enough for what I needed

[13-Jun-2011 16:04:00] <syoma> thanks

[13-Jun-2011 16:05:06] <rmatte> assuming he meant server backups and not network

[13-Jun-2011 16:05:21] <rocket> true?

[13-Jun-2011 16:05:25] <rocket> true

[13-Jun-2011 16:05:35] <rmatte> network would be rancid

[13-Jun-2011 16:05:41] <rmatte> we use ZipTie, but that project is pretty dead

[13-Jun-2011 16:06:01] <rmatte> I want to get us converted to using Rancid eventually

[13-Jun-2011 16:10:07] <syoma> why are not using backupPC?

[13-Jun-2011 16:10:24] <dhopp> rocket: how does one change zproperties through JSON?  I can't seem to get it to work

[13-Jun-2011 16:10:38] <rmatte> backupPC looks more desktop oriented than server oriented

[13-Jun-2011 16:11:11] <rmatte> but it really comes down to whatever works for you

[13-Jun-2011 16:11:25] <syoma> thanks rmatte

[13-Jun-2011 16:11:43] <rmatte> Hackman238: 52.8g, crazy

[13-Jun-2011 16:11:58] <rmatte> syoma: np

[13-Jun-2011 16:12:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: yeah very.

[13-Jun-2011 16:12:39] <Hackman238> rmatte: Seen it get to well over 64GB in the past though

[13-Jun-2011 16:12:44] <Hackman238> LOL

[13-Jun-2011 16:12:52] <rmatte> god

[13-Jun-2011 16:14:58] <Hackman238> rmatte: No sweat- just upgraded our production boxes to 128GB

[13-Jun-2011 16:15:02] <Hackman238> ;-)

[13-Jun-2011 16:15:04] <rmatte> nice

[13-Jun-2011 16:15:11] <rmatte> those are blades I assume?

[13-Jun-2011 16:15:14] <rocket> dhopp: not off the top of my head ..

[13-Jun-2011 16:15:27] <rocket> dhopp: that would be better for thursday with a dev around

[13-Jun-2011 16:15:27] <Hackman238> rmatte: Nein, dell r900's

[13-Jun-2011 16:15:49] <rocket> dhopp: if I had a little more time .. and less backlog I would look it up for you

[13-Jun-2011 16:15:50] <Hackman238> rmatte: not the best machines, but not bad.

[13-Jun-2011 16:15:51] <rmatte> ah, how manu U are those, 4?

[13-Jun-2011 16:16:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: 4 I believe, yes

[13-Jun-2011 16:16:10] <dhopp> Hackman238:  nobody will need more then 640K memory

[13-Jun-2011 16:16:17] <syoma> rancid apparently does not support F5 devices

[13-Jun-2011 16:16:19] <Hackman238> dhopp: Never

[13-Jun-2011 16:16:23] <Hackman238> dhopp: :-)

[13-Jun-2011 16:16:27] <rmatte> that's Mr. Gates, the great visionary

[13-Jun-2011 16:16:41] <Hackman238> dhopp: everything in UMB is bloat

[13-Jun-2011 16:17:06] <Hackman238> dhopp: Down with bitmaps! All vector graphics I say!

[13-Jun-2011 16:17:40] <rmatte> yeh, I'm still waiting for all web graphics to eventually be vector

[13-Jun-2011 16:17:47] <rmatte> I'm surprised that it hasn't happened yet

[13-Jun-2011 16:17:55] <dhopp> rocket:  alright…from what I can tell, it doesn't even look like the zenoss GUI is using JSON for setting zproperties

[13-Jun-2011 16:18:02] <rmatte> png is pretty much the standard right now

[13-Jun-2011 16:18:23] <Hackman238> rmatte: PNG isnt too bad

[13-Jun-2011 16:18:23] <rocket> dhopp: it may not be yet

[13-Jun-2011 16:18:30] <rmatte> dhopp: no, it wouldn't be, it'd be directly accessing zope most likely

[13-Jun-2011 16:18:37] <rocket> dhopp: that might be a legacy page that hasnt been converted over

[13-Jun-2011 16:18:58] <rocket> dhopp: therefore the api hasnt been touched for that yet

[13-Jun-2011 16:19:23] <rmatte> yeh, the JSON implementation in Zenoss is really new

[13-Jun-2011 16:19:33] <rmatte> I don't even think it was available in 2.5, correct me if I'm wrong

[13-Jun-2011 16:20:32] <Hackman238> rmatte: its there- definately not complete or well implemented

[13-Jun-2011 16:20:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: Never really used it myself.

[13-Jun-2011 16:20:50] <rmatte> ah

[13-Jun-2011 16:20:54] <rmatte> yeh, same here

[13-Jun-2011 16:20:58] <rmatte> I use REST mostly

[13-Jun-2011 16:21:03] <rocket> it was started around the 3.0 time frame ..

[13-Jun-2011 16:21:05] <rmatte> or just direct dmd scripts

[13-Jun-2011 16:21:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: I wont lie- I have a handful of patched so one can secure dmd and connect remotely to perform ops that way

[13-Jun-2011 16:21:20] <rocket> the things that are implemented are much easier to do in the new ui

[13-Jun-2011 16:21:32] <rmatte> Hackman238: nice

[13-Jun-2011 16:21:44] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I was going to use it because it's the 'official' way to do it…but I guess I'll start back down the dmd route

[13-Jun-2011 16:23:15] <Hackman238> dhopp: our remote operations, especially against the larger dcs, fail like a concrete boat using rest api.

[13-Jun-2011 16:23:30] <rmatte> lol

[13-Jun-2011 16:23:35] <Hackman238> dhopp: Even simple ops could take 25-30 times the amount of time

[13-Jun-2011 16:23:55] <Hackman238> dhopp: plus eat up http and zope threads

[13-Jun-2011 16:23:57] <rmatte> yeh, I've personally found that just using dmd is usually the way to go

[13-Jun-2011 16:24:11] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep.

[13-Jun-2011 16:24:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: I'll take that 50GB session for the speed.

[13-Jun-2011 16:24:44] <rmatte> hehe

[13-Jun-2011 16:24:49] <Hackman238> rmatte: I've a baby sitter in place to step in a kill over run away DMD sessions anyway

[13-Jun-2011 16:25:04] <rmatte> The most RAM I have in a Zenoss VM is 6GB

[13-Jun-2011 16:25:15] <Hackman238> rmatte:

[13-Jun-2011 16:25:17] <rmatte> and most only have 2 or 3

[13-Jun-2011 16:25:34] <rmatte> I expand as needed

[13-Jun-2011 16:25:51] <Hackman238> rmatte: thats the way to do it

[13-Jun-2011 16:26:01] <dhopp> only problem with dmd is it's kind of hard to call that remotely…I was hoping in the process of writing all of this code we could do something with our server automation as well

[13-Jun-2011 16:26:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: all my stats are super jumbo just because of the size of the dcs

[13-Jun-2011 16:26:39] <rmatte> dhopp: well, you can call the scripts via ssh, or actually make a script that accepts connections and do it that way

[13-Jun-2011 16:27:03] <Hackman238> dhopp: you can copy the /opt/zenoss dir sans var, most of etc, perf

[13-Jun-2011 16:27:27] <Hackman238> dhopp: tar it up and write a simple script to setup the user, paths and permissions

[13-Jun-2011 16:27:43] <rmatte> Hackman238: yeh, I'd love to see your guy's Zenoss setup, it sounds a lot more ambitious than I've been able to do here

[13-Jun-2011 16:27:46] <Hackman238> dhopp: Then you can drop it wherever. The big issue is dmd isnt secure by default

[13-Jun-2011 16:28:17] <Hackman238> rmatte: Careful for what one wishes for- it can be fun but also equally tedious LOL

[13-Jun-2011 16:28:29] <Hackman238> rmatte: migration is particularly tricky

[13-Jun-2011 16:28:37] <rmatte> Hackman238: It's already tedious just because I'm managing 15 separate instances

[13-Jun-2011 16:28:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: 15? why broken up so much?

[13-Jun-2011 16:28:58] <dhopp> rmatte:  why do you have 15 seperate instances?

[13-Jun-2011 16:29:13] <rmatte> each of our larger clients has their own server (since they want to be able to login and see their devices)

[13-Jun-2011 16:29:18] <rmatte> core has no ACL features

[13-Jun-2011 16:29:40] <Hackman238> rmatte: ah, makes sense

[13-Jun-2011 16:29:42] <rmatte> then I have a few that monitor multiple smaller clients

[13-Jun-2011 16:29:55] <rmatte> it's also to avoid IP overlap

[13-Jun-2011 16:30:03] <rmatte> since there's no ip domains in core either

[13-Jun-2011 16:30:17] <Hackman238> rmatte: theres solutions for that

[13-Jun-2011 16:30:28] <Hackman238> rmatte: Your customers ahev overlapping ip space?

[13-Jun-2011 16:30:31] <rmatte> well, we could just nat them to different IP ranges...

[13-Jun-2011 16:30:35] <rmatte> but we don't really want to do that

[13-Jun-2011 16:30:52] <rmatte> and yeh, some of our clients do

[13-Jun-2011 16:30:59] <Hackman238> rmatte: said customers hosted i your dc or is this remote monitoring?

[13-Jun-2011 16:31:08] <rmatte> remote

[13-Jun-2011 16:31:15] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah- gotcha

[13-Jun-2011 16:31:19] <rmatte> We have 40 VPN tunnels going out

[13-Jun-2011 16:31:21] <rmatte> lol

[13-Jun-2011 16:31:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: Sounds like OFT. Your tunnel paraphrase isnt the name of the city, right?

[13-Jun-2011 16:32:00] <Hackman238> rmatte: J/K

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[13-Jun-2011 17:07:45] <rmatte> sorry, someone walked in to my office right after you typed that

[13-Jun-2011 17:07:53] <rmatte> no, the passwords aren't the city name

[13-Jun-2011 17:08:03] <rmatte> but yeh, this older version of IPSLA is horrible

[13-Jun-2011 17:08:18] <rmatte> it doesn't support any of the same OIDs, and the OIDs that it does support are horrible

[13-Jun-2011 17:08:22] <rmatte> I can't even make sense of them

[13-Jun-2011 17:08:37] <rmatte> anyways, more research tomorrow to try to figure these stupid things out

[13-Jun-2011 17:08:55] <rmatte> they use some of the same OIDs, the pack does pick up the IPSLA entries...

[13-Jun-2011 17:09:03] <rmatte> but the RTT OID returns 0 all the time

[13-Jun-2011 17:09:10] <rmatte> and the jitter ones in the template are invalid

[13-Jun-2011 17:09:15] <rmatte> the sense ones return values

[13-Jun-2011 17:29:12] <rmatte> anyways, time for me to hit the road, later all

[13-Jun-2011 17:30:24] <f00f> later rmatte

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[13-Jun-2011 21:04:25] <locohost> i wish i could think of a way to monitor machines and have a method to organize them by the storage they live on

[13-Jun-2011 21:05:02] <locohost> even though the storage they live on my change...based on the stats..and balancing

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[14-Jun-2011 05:18:14] <elfranne> I compiled the wmi client from zenoss external lib on a debian but i cannot figure out what i am doing wrong i get timeout, maybe not the best place to ask ...

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[14-Jun-2011 07:02:56] <forsberg> anyone experience Lost connection to the server. in dashboard in 2.5.2 in firefox4 ?

[14-Jun-2011 07:05:38] <forsberg> 3/5 click on dashboard will result in empty device issue and production states portlets and "Lost connection to the server." in red on top

[14-Jun-2011 07:05:38] <forsberg> 2/5 works fine

[14-Jun-2011 07:05:51] <forsberg> does not happen in internet explorer 9 and safari

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[14-Jun-2011 08:19:47] <jmp242> I just saw this come up on the forums, and it's bugged me a bit. Zenoss Core 3.1.x (and all previous that I could tell) don't seem to regularly apply inheritance like, say, a filesystem would...

[14-Jun-2011 08:20:13] <jmp242> That is, lets say I have a device class

[14-Jun-2011 08:21:20] <jmp242> like /Device/Foo and I set a zProperty like zSnmpCommunity to Foobar

[14-Jun-2011 08:21:46] <jmp242> I add a device, all is as expected, it inherits zSnmpCommunity of foobar

[14-Jun-2011 08:21:57] <jmp242> but now something changes, and I want to update all devices in the device class

[14-Jun-2011 08:22:12] <jmp242> so I go an change zSnmpCommunity to bazfoo

[14-Jun-2011 08:22:29] <jmp242> this doesn't seem to actually change zSnmpCommunity for the devices in the class reliably

[14-Jun-2011 08:22:39] <jmp242> new devices will get the new property

[14-Jun-2011 08:22:41] <Hackman238> jmp242: long as there arent overrides it should inherit up to the last override- usually on the device class

[14-Jun-2011 08:23:04] <jmp242> I see similar things with template bindins

[14-Jun-2011 08:23:24] <jmp242> I had bound WMIDevicev2 to /Server/Windows a long time ago

[14-Jun-2011 08:23:34] <jmp242> I finally got around to wanting to change that to Egor's pack

[14-Jun-2011 08:23:55] <jmp242> so I changed the binding on /Server/Windows to the WMI(whatever the name is)

[14-Jun-2011 08:24:02] <Hackman238> jmp242: Find one of the devices that doesnt seem to inherit right and look at its zproperties- whats the path of the property which isnt inheriting?

[14-Jun-2011 08:24:17] <jmp242> most of my devices didn't get the change

[14-Jun-2011 08:24:34] <Hackman238> jmp242: Thats really weird

[14-Jun-2011 08:25:17] <jmp242> Yea, I've seen it mostly with device templates

[14-Jun-2011 08:25:28] <jmp242> the forum post seemed to be seeing it with zProperties

[14-Jun-2011 08:25:39] <jmp242> so I just thought I'd make sure that its not a known bug

[14-Jun-2011 08:26:37] <jmp242> I think it's related

[14-Jun-2011 08:26:45] <jmp242> because the device templates seem to be stored as zDeviceTemplates

[14-Jun-2011 08:26:50] <jmp242> so back to the zProperties.

[14-Jun-2011 08:27:15] <jmp242> but I wonder in my messing about if I've gotten local zProperties for those (well, without realizing it)

[14-Jun-2011 08:28:54] <jmp242> Yup, ok there's my problem. Looks like I need to clean up the local properties of zDeviceTemplates ...

[14-Jun-2011 08:29:09] <jmp242> never realized that template bindings were zProperties before lol

[14-Jun-2011 08:29:12] <Hackman238> jmp242: yeah they can get to be a mess

[14-Jun-2011 08:29:15] <jmp242> now it's making more sense

[14-Jun-2011 08:29:21] <Hackman238> jmp242: :-)

[14-Jun-2011 08:48:33] <forsberg> click on dashboard on zenoss 2.5.2. will result in empty device issue and production states portlets and "Lost connection to the server." in red on top in firefox 4.x - anyone seen problem/solution?

[14-Jun-2011 08:50:48] <Hackman238> forsberg: 2.5.2 doesnt work consistantly in FF4- tested that to death and cannot figure why.

[14-Jun-2011 08:59:09] <forsberg> ok!

[14-Jun-2011 09:00:34] <Hackman238> forsberg: Sorry- I'd offer to help you figure it if I hadnt already beat that dead horse

[14-Jun-2011 09:02:19] <rocket> forsberg: upgrade to 3.1 we are not doing any patches to 2.5.2 of that nature any more

[14-Jun-2011 09:03:22] <froztbyte> hehe

[14-Jun-2011 09:03:46] <froztbyte> speaking of upgrading to 3.1 from 2.5.x, is that also best approached using Data.fs instead of export/import?

[14-Jun-2011 09:04:06] <rocket> hrm?

[14-Jun-2011 09:04:40] <rocket> the official procedure is to install the new rpm and start zenoss as the root user

[14-Jun-2011 09:04:50] <rocket> otherwise it doesnt migrate the objects

[14-Jun-2011 09:05:09] <froztbyte> same for deb?

[14-Jun-2011 09:05:17] <froztbyte> (this is on core, not ent)

[14-Jun-2011 09:05:35] * froztbyte visualizes a tree with the zenoss logo on

[14-Jun-2011 09:05:43] <rocket> no on deb we intentionally made everything different ... just to mess with that distributions users ...

[14-Jun-2011 09:05:59] <Hackman238> Poor deb users...LOL

[14-Jun-2011 09:06:00] <froztbyte> rocket: aww, you guys, so cool to know you think of us!

[14-Jun-2011 09:06:13] <Hackman238> froztbyte: The way rocket suggests works best

[14-Jun-2011 09:06:57] <froztbyte> rocket: anyway, the reason I ask is because I had some funky stuff on my testing sandbox, but that was before I knew of the Data.fs thing for migrating an install (since I tried to replicate my live setup on a test upgrade vm)

[14-Jun-2011 09:07:07] <froztbyte> I'll try that sometime this week and see

[14-Jun-2011 09:07:15] <froztbyte> although razed will hate me since he'll need to reskin stuff

[14-Jun-2011 09:11:46] <Hackman238> ....very OT...but hilarious- http://i.imgur.com/nvqX8.jpg

[14-Jun-2011 09:15:18] <forsberg> thanks rocket, saves me time to try at resolve it if nothing else ;>

[14-Jun-2011 09:23:18] <AndrisB-afk> hmm, is that normal that DeviceLoader's loadDevice function doesn't return anything for successfully added devices?

[14-Jun-2011 09:23:28] <zuzuzzzip> hi guys

[14-Jun-2011 09:23:43] <zuzuzzzip> question: what's the easiest way to change zenoss server's ip

[14-Jun-2011 09:23:46] <zuzuzzzip> fresh install

[14-Jun-2011 09:24:00] <zuzuzzzip> but it installed the web server on localhost ip ...

[14-Jun-2011 09:32:36] <fragfutter> zuzuzzzip: the webinterface is part of zope. The listening interface is in $ZENHOME/etc/zope.conf "ip-address"

[14-Jun-2011 09:32:47] <fragfutter> zuzuzzzip: by default this is unset so it should listen on all interfaces

[14-Jun-2011 09:35:11] <forsberg> thanks again, ill upgrade when i get some bawls ;>

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[14-Jun-2011 09:36:05] <fragfutter> rocket: can you change the topic?

[14-Jun-2011 09:36:37] <zuzuzzzip> fragfutter: indeed, with the default settings it did not work

[14-Jun-2011 09:36:51] <zuzuzzzip> during post-install I saw it used the wrong IP

[14-Jun-2011 09:38:01] <zuzuzzzip> fragfutter: http://pastebin.com/azMYVH3k

[14-Jun-2011 09:39:08] <fragfutter> zuzuzzzip: thta is your lokal hosts file.

[14-Jun-2011 09:39:51] <fragfutter> the output you posted is the wget run at the end of the rpm (if i'm not misstaken)

[14-Jun-2011 09:40:28] <fragfutter> and if you look into your /etc/hosts you will find that server.domain.com is mapped to 127.0.0.1

[14-Jun-2011 09:40:39] <fragfutter> nothing to do with the interface zenoss is listening on.

[14-Jun-2011 09:41:13] <fragfutter> rocket: thanks.

[14-Jun-2011 09:41:21] <zuzuzzzip> yeah that's right, I noticed it and changed the hosts file after this

[14-Jun-2011 09:42:36] <zuzuzzzip> so the only thing that post install did was check if the web service is running on the hosts specified in the hostfile?

[14-Jun-2011 09:43:02] <fragfutter> zuzuzzzip: no, it added the machine running zenoss to zenoss itself

[14-Jun-2011 09:44:29] <zuzuzzzip> ah I see

[14-Jun-2011 09:44:46] <zuzuzzzip> okay so maybe

[14-Jun-2011 09:44:55] <zuzuzzzip> the initial setup only runs from localhost?

[14-Jun-2011 09:45:25] <zuzuzzzip> because I can access it from there (on loopback), but not from another PC on eth0's ip

[14-Jun-2011 09:45:48] <fragfutter> netstat  -lnpt

[14-Jun-2011 09:46:02] <dhopp> zuzuzzzip:  are you sure there isn't a firewall running on the zenoss server?  blocking port 8080?

[14-Jun-2011 09:46:49] <rocket> zuzuzzzip: by default centos's firewall will block that .. we typically tell people to turn the firewall off for simplicity .. however you just need to enable its port etc ..

[14-Jun-2011 09:47:13] <zuzuzzzip> okay, that's probably it then

[14-Jun-2011 09:47:19] <zuzuzzzip> it is indeed CentOS 5.5

[14-Jun-2011 09:47:25] <zuzuzzzip> I did not turn it off afaik

[14-Jun-2011 09:47:35] <zuzuzzzip> but I would also prefer to allow ports

[14-Jun-2011 09:47:54] <zuzuzzzip> will have a look in to it don't bother

[14-Jun-2011 09:55:34] <zuzuzzzip> thanks for the support guys, got it working

[14-Jun-2011 10:29:15] <dpetzel> anyone know what I need to import to be able to access the logger during a zenpack install? IE Im overriding the install method on a new zenpack im working on and i want to log stuff using log.info("blah"), but I'm struggling to find what to import. I know I could import logging from the python distro itself, but looking through other modules it appears a global logger is already defined

[14-Jun-2011 10:29:15] <dpetzel> somewhere, and I'd rather that just access that

[14-Jun-2011 10:31:53] <rocket> you still import the logger

[14-Jun-2011 10:32:38] <rocket> import logging

[14-Jun-2011 10:33:22] <rocket> log = logging.getLogger("Zenpack Foo")

[14-Jun-2011 10:33:45] <rocket> log.warn("this is logging to one of the existing locations ...")

[14-Jun-2011 10:33:48] <rocket> etc ...

[14-Jun-2011 10:35:14] <dpetzel> hmm so i guess Im misunderstanding, as an example Im looking at ZenPack.py in libzenoss\Products\ZenModel

[14-Jun-2011 10:35:42] <dpetzel> I dont see any import logger, but I do see logging statements (sorry if this is ignorant, my coding skills are not top notch)

[14-Jun-2011 10:36:46] <dpetzel> I totally understand what your saying above, but just curious how that module managed to pull it off without the import

[14-Jun-2011 10:37:31] <fragfutter> dpetzel: from Products.ZenModel.ZenPackLoader import *

[14-Jun-2011 10:37:47] <fragfutter> and ZenPackLoader is setting up the log object

[14-Jun-2011 10:38:12] <dpetzel> ah ok gotcha

[14-Jun-2011 10:38:27] <dpetzel> Is that a better approach than me importing logging or is it 6 ofone half dozen of the other?

[14-Jun-2011 10:42:26] <rocket> dpetzel: best approach is to only import what is needed

[14-Jun-2011 10:42:48] <rocket> the example you mention may need quite a bit more items to work in general

[14-Jun-2011 10:42:59] <rocket> for your use case you only need to import logger

[14-Jun-2011 10:43:11] <dpetzel> cool will do. Thanks

[14-Jun-2011 11:09:31] <syoma> some of you know any password manager opensource?

[14-Jun-2011 11:09:43] <syoma> (:

[14-Jun-2011 11:09:45] <fragfutter> gpg

[14-Jun-2011 11:10:11] <syoma> :/

[14-Jun-2011 11:10:56] <fragfutter> and i used for some time http://keepass.info/

[14-Jun-2011 11:12:19] <syoma> thanks

[14-Jun-2011 11:19:55] <rocket> keepass works great with dropbox and smartphones as well

[14-Jun-2011 11:20:38] <syoma> I need use a centralized password manager :/

[14-Jun-2011 11:20:52] <syoma> Does anyone know about an open source solution to store passwords accessible through network (via web for example)?

[14-Jun-2011 11:21:11] <fragfutter> syoma: vim+ssh+gpg

[14-Jun-2011 11:21:27] <syoma> jaja..

[14-Jun-2011 11:21:41] <fragfutter>

[14-Jun-2011 11:21:51] <syoma> something like password manager pro.

[14-Jun-2011 11:22:40] <syoma> I found webkeepass

[14-Jun-2011 11:22:40] <syoma> XD

[14-Jun-2011 11:22:50] <rocket> syoma: use dropbox + keepass

[14-Jun-2011 11:23:09] <rocket> thats what I use anyway .. syncs my phone and computer ... etc

[14-Jun-2011 11:23:10] <tsener> http://www.passwordcard.org/en

[14-Jun-2011 11:25:18] <f00f> Hackman238, whats upp ?

[14-Jun-2011 11:29:12] <syoma> rocket: gracias

[14-Jun-2011 11:34:27] <dhopp> question on best way to handle an exception when using dmd...

[14-Jun-2011 11:34:38] <fragfutter> try except?

[14-Jun-2011 11:35:00] <dhopp> fragfutter:  a little more then that...

[14-Jun-2011 11:35:43] <fragfutter> dhopp: you mean?

[14-Jun-2011 11:36:08] <dhopp> lets say I have a script that is going to add a few organizers and set various zprops…I put it in a try/except but an exception happens after the organizers are created but before the zprops are set (and before I call commit)…in the except should I do something to undo the changes or the fact that commit wasn't called the changes will just be undone automatically?

[14-Jun-2011 11:36:32] <rocket> dhopp .. just call sync() in the except block

[14-Jun-2011 11:37:07] <rocket> that should roll back to the zeo state .. not the in memory state . eg it will remove the organizer that you think is created

[14-Jun-2011 11:37:24] <dhopp> rocket:  what happens if I don't? (I'm going to call sync, just trying to get an understanding of the state of zeodb if I have a code snippet that doesn't)

[14-Jun-2011 11:37:37] <rocket> commit() just before the try block if you are happy with the state of things

[14-Jun-2011 11:37:44] <rocket> run your code in a try

[14-Jun-2011 11:38:02] <rocket> if it blows up in the except call sync() and do NOT call commit()

[14-Jun-2011 11:38:21] <rocket> if you dont and just exit out of the script?

[14-Jun-2011 11:38:40] <rocket> unless you commit() nothing happens you will never see your changes anywhere else

[14-Jun-2011 11:38:41] <dhopp> rocket: yeah..or if the script blows up and crashes...

[14-Jun-2011 11:39:12] <rocket> I am confused though .. why are you implying it will blow up and crash?

[14-Jun-2011 11:39:13] <dhopp> rocket:  ok..that's what I thought…I just wanted validation (I'm going to call sync..but I'm just paranoid)

[14-Jun-2011 11:39:31] <rocket> sync() is called automatically at startup anyway

[14-Jun-2011 11:39:38] <rocket> commit() is the one to be afraid of

[14-Jun-2011 11:39:44] <rocket> that makes things permanent

[14-Jun-2011 11:39:50] <dhopp> rocket:  well hopefully it doesn't…like I said..just paranoid

[14-Jun-2011 11:40:16] <rocket> if you much with something the wrong way eg remove half a relationship and then commit ... you might be SOL

[14-Jun-2011 11:40:45] <rocket> thats the type of things we repair in support .. its interesting figuring out how some customers tweaked things at times

[14-Jun-2011 11:41:39] <dhopp> rocket:  I was scripting it so that organizers would be created, commit, set zprops on organizers, commit..both of which will be in different try/except…but maybe I should do everything at once and just bomb the whole thing out if an exception happens

[14-Jun-2011 11:41:58] <rocket> I would do that ..

[14-Jun-2011 11:42:09] <fragfutter> dhopp: that's the idea of a transaction

[14-Jun-2011 11:42:38] <fragfutter> dhopp: if it belongs together it's a single transaction

[14-Jun-2011 11:42:42] <dhopp> fragfutter:  well I was thinking of the two as separate transactions..

[14-Jun-2011 11:43:39] <dhopp> rocket:  out of curiosity..how do you figure out what relationship is borked?

[14-Jun-2011 11:43:51] <dhopp> rocket:  or relationships as the case may be

[14-Jun-2011 11:44:08] <rocket> code spelunking,

[14-Jun-2011 11:44:23] <rocket> extensive use of zenchkrels -r -x1  if we are lucky

[14-Jun-2011 11:44:43] <jmp242> Has anyone looked at the fPing Zenpack lately?

[14-Jun-2011 11:44:49] <rocket> basically it takes time and experience to figure them out

[14-Jun-2011 11:45:11] <rocket> eg if I dont know something I usually ask a dev who probably ran into it while coding the feature etc

[14-Jun-2011 11:45:45] <jmp242> I'm wondering why it just stops collecting data on timeouts, rather than say, reporting something useful... like timeout, or large spikes

[14-Jun-2011 11:45:46] <rocket> its mostly figuring out what object link to put back into another object reference list

[14-Jun-2011 11:45:59] <rocket> what sort of timeout?

[14-Jun-2011 11:46:12] <jmp242> if the host isn't responding to ping

[14-Jun-2011 11:46:17] <jmp242> maybe because it hung

[14-Jun-2011 11:46:28] <jmp242> the fping zenpack seems to just have gaps in the graph

[14-Jun-2011 11:46:43] <rocket> if it doesnt respond to ping this is a design feature .. the device from a remote perspective is down

[14-Jun-2011 11:46:45] <jmp242> and in the past it would just keep opening new zombie processes

[14-Jun-2011 11:47:22] <rocket> the daemons pick up that its ping down and rather than give events for ping + every other service that we can no longer gather, we send one event that its ping down

[14-Jun-2011 11:47:32] <jmp242> I get that

[14-Jun-2011 11:47:40] <rocket> how can you graph data that you can not collect?

[14-Jun-2011 11:47:56] <jmp242> well, actually usually you can't

[14-Jun-2011 11:48:03] <jmp242> but in the ping case

[14-Jun-2011 11:48:21] <jmp242> it would be useful to see (somehow) that ping is timing out on the fping latency and loss graph

[14-Jun-2011 11:50:09] <rocket> well perhaps in this one particular edge case I can see some limited usefulness in displaying that ..

[14-Jun-2011 11:50:50] <rocket> jmp242: what it would take to fix it is a new daemon that does not listen to the ping down chatter from zenhub

[14-Jun-2011 11:51:16] <rocket> and a new datapoint regarding storing the ping timeout

[14-Jun-2011 11:51:39] <rocket> jmp242: I would say this is more of a zenpack design issue than a zenoss limitation in my honest opinion

[14-Jun-2011 11:53:23] <jmp242> yea

[14-Jun-2011 11:53:35] <jmp242> I wasn't saying this was a zenoss issue, hence my question regarding looking at the zenpack

[14-Jun-2011 11:54:25] <jmp242> a neat feature would be to have it (the zenpack) on fping timeouts start graphing time since last successful ping or some such (if that's possible)

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[14-Jun-2011 12:01:33] <rocket> we have not started working on them until the centos 6 ones come out ..

[14-Jun-2011 12:02:06] <fragfutter> rocket: so next tuesday

[14-Jun-2011 12:02:10] <rocket> I would say the next major release after the centos 6 ones are out .. eg not avalon but the release after that etc ..

[14-Jun-2011 12:02:26] <rocket> lolz ... har har ...

[14-Jun-2011 12:03:08] <rocket> if I were to guess the rhel5 rpms we have will just work .. but there might be some back compat things we dont explicitly call

[14-Jun-2011 12:03:17] <rocket> and it has NOT gone through any qa testing

[14-Jun-2011 12:03:48] <fragfutter> rocket: i didn't try after i saw this dependency: libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4)(64bit)

[14-Jun-2011 12:03:49] <dhopp> fragfutter:  I just used the stack installer on RHEL6…works fine

[14-Jun-2011 12:03:55] <rocket> if I were to guess we really only depend on some back compat glibc or gcc ones ..

[14-Jun-2011 12:04:30] <rocket> so we need to find the rpm that provides libstdc++.so.6 and make sure thats installed

[14-Jun-2011 12:04:41] <rocket> again we havent tested anything

[14-Jun-2011 12:04:59] <rocket> moving forward I am sure we will compile against a newer libstdc++ if available

[14-Jun-2011 12:05:01] <fragfutter> rocket: i think i'll wait

[14-Jun-2011 12:05:17] <fragfutter> too lazy to roll my own

[14-Jun-2011 12:05:30] <rocket> most customers are using centos rather than rhel... thats why we havent felt as much pressure to move forward yet

[14-Jun-2011 12:06:41] <fragfutter> centos6 is realy late.

[14-Jun-2011 12:07:34] <fragfutter> can i somehow get the comment that is left with an event into the acknowledgement email?

[14-Jun-2011 12:07:58] <rocket> from what I understand though they needed to do quite a bit of investigation work to make sure the bits from RH were getting installed in the proper order etc

[14-Jun-2011 12:11:06] <rmatte> what would I change in the default RRD create commands to ensure that data is never consolidated?

[14-Jun-2011 12:11:30] <rmatte> I'm configuring 15 second snmp polling for one of our clients...

[14-Jun-2011 12:11:33] <rmatte> so far I have...

[14-Jun-2011 12:11:33] <rmatte> straterra:AVERAGE:0.15:1:600

[14-Jun-2011 12:11:33] <rmatte> straterra:AVERAGE:0.15:6:600

[14-Jun-2011 12:11:33] <rmatte> straterra:AVERAGE:0.15:24:600

[14-Jun-2011 12:11:34] <rmatte> straterra:AVERAGE:0.15:288:600

[14-Jun-2011 12:11:40] <rmatte> but they want the data to never be consolidated

[14-Jun-2011 12:11:52] <rmatte> (I understand that'll cause a performance impact)

[14-Jun-2011 12:12:22] <rmatte> do I just remove the 3 last lines and stick with one line of straterra:AVERAGE:0.15:1:600

[14-Jun-2011 12:12:23] <rmatte> ?

[14-Jun-2011 12:13:24] <rmatte> actually, I think those 600s should be changed to 300s too if I'm not mistaken

[14-Jun-2011 12:13:46] <rmatte> or to 60

[14-Jun-2011 12:14:37] <Soco> I'm sure this have been seen before. We use a F5 and create VIPs. Unfortunately it uses the same IP for a variety of hosts so creating a http perf monitor (without modeling) doesn't seem to work trying to add it to the web or http class. Device already exists.

[14-Jun-2011 12:15:05] <rmatte> oh, I think I see how to do it, just saw a post by jane to which someone replied explaining it

[14-Jun-2011 12:23:13] <rmatte> hmmm, there isn't really much of an explanation as to what the 0.5 actually represents...

[14-Jun-2011 12:23:18] <rmatte> best I can figure is 5 minutes

[14-Jun-2011 12:23:48] <rmatte> ohhhh, I see how they're doing it

[14-Jun-2011 12:31:16] <rocket> rmatte you could remove the last 3 lines .. and then you need to make sure the first CF has enough datapoints to cover the time they are interested in

[14-Jun-2011 12:31:16] <rmatte> straterra:AVERAGE:0.025:1:2102400 is what I actually want

[14-Jun-2011 12:31:39] <rocket> rmatte: but you are going to need a whole separate collector daemon for it etc ..

[14-Jun-2011 12:31:43] <rmatte> that's 240 polling cycles per hour * 24 * 365

[14-Jun-2011 12:31:55] <rocket> rmatte: it sounds painful to me ..

[14-Jun-2011 12:32:06] <rocket> do they really understand what they are asking for?

[14-Jun-2011 12:32:07] <rmatte> well, this is a completely separate Zenoss instance dedicated to just doing this 15 second SNMP polling

[14-Jun-2011 12:32:07] <straterra> rmatte: eh

[14-Jun-2011 12:32:12] <rmatte> I don't think they do

[14-Jun-2011 12:32:17] <rmatte> and I've already stated that to management

[14-Jun-2011 12:32:21] <straterra> bad tab?

[14-Jun-2011 12:32:24] <rmatte> but this is what they asked for, and they're going to get it

[14-Jun-2011 12:32:28] <rocket> rarely do you need to go below a minute

[14-Jun-2011 12:32:31] <rmatte> I can't wait to see the CPU usage spike on the devices

[14-Jun-2011 12:32:47] <rmatte> rocket: agreed, but they specifically asked for 15 seconds

[14-Jun-2011 12:32:52] <rocket> rmatte: and I dont know if zenoss is really going to be able to keep up below a minute from a design and engineering perspective

[14-Jun-2011 12:32:53] <rmatte> I suggested a minute, but nope

[14-Jun-2011 12:33:14] <rocket> just letting you know we do not really validate anything lower than a minute

[14-Jun-2011 12:33:37] <rmatte> what do you mean by "validate"

[14-Jun-2011 12:33:45] <rocket> eg our discussions revolve around 5 minute granularity and 1 minute is already an edge case ..

[14-Jun-2011 12:33:54] <rmatte> yeh, I'm aware

[14-Jun-2011 12:34:07] <xuru> Has anyone successfully installed the updated mib browser?  docs/DOC-10321

[14-Jun-2011 12:34:08] <rmatte> I personally think this is a stupid idea, but oh well

[14-Jun-2011 12:34:11] <rocket> eg QA does not test sub minute intervals etc

[14-Jun-2011 12:34:21] <rmatte> ah

[14-Jun-2011 12:34:26] <rmatte> well, I'll let you know if it works

[14-Jun-2011 12:34:27] <rmatte> lol

[14-Jun-2011 12:34:37] <rocket> zenactions is looping at a minute etc

[14-Jun-2011 12:34:46] <rocket> eg its not real time at the moment

[14-Jun-2011 12:35:00] <rmatte> twisted is pretty damn fast for snmp... I'm blown away that Zenoss can do like 18,000 snmp polls in 20 seconds

[14-Jun-2011 12:35:07] <rmatte> so it may work fine

[14-Jun-2011 12:35:14] <rocket> so if an event is created from these 15 second checks and then cleared in under a minute it wont send out an alert either etc

[14-Jun-2011 12:35:27] <rmatte> nah, this isn't for events

[14-Jun-2011 12:35:32] <rmatte> it's purely for graphing

[14-Jun-2011 12:35:41] <rmatte> they was extremely high resolution network graphs

[14-Jun-2011 12:35:43] <rmatte> want*

[14-Jun-2011 12:36:11] <rocket> hope they dont kill their networking equipment

[14-Jun-2011 12:38:29] <rmatte> that's my main concern

[14-Jun-2011 12:38:48] <rmatte> I've seen what happens to network gear when it gets hammered by SNMP

[14-Jun-2011 12:38:51] <rmatte> CPU through the roof

[14-Jun-2011 12:39:01] <rocket> well at least the snmp daemon on it ..

[14-Jun-2011 12:39:22] <rocket> I guess it depends on the number of datapoints they are gathering etc

[14-Jun-2011 12:41:08] <rmatte> well, it's 6 switches, and the number vary per switch

[14-Jun-2011 12:41:15] <rmatte> most of them are around 90 datapoints

[14-Jun-2011 12:41:21] <rmatte> some will be around 200

[14-Jun-2011 12:41:29] <rmatte> so it might be doable

[14-Jun-2011 12:41:45] <rmatte> I've already disabled several Zenoss daemons that I didn't need to help speed the box up

[14-Jun-2011 12:42:01] <froztbyte> see, this is where I wish some of these hardware things supported some proper/usable forms of push metrics

[14-Jun-2011 12:42:40] <rmatte> froztbyte: agreed

[14-Jun-2011 12:43:02] <rmatte> but they'd have to develop some sort of standard for it across manufacturers

[14-Jun-2011 12:43:30] <rmatte> universal is always better

[14-Jun-2011 12:44:05] <froztbyte> rmatte: at the very least, a reverse flow of SNMP could be done

[14-Jun-2011 12:44:25] <froztbyte> define a cron sort of thing, and push the IODs you want off to somewhere

[14-Jun-2011 12:44:52] <froztbyte> I don't think you'd want that built on top of traps though

[14-Jun-2011 12:45:02] <rmatte> well, there we go, my super high resolution graphs are tested and working...

[14-Jun-2011 12:45:08] <rmatte> now I just need to drop these devices in

[14-Jun-2011 12:45:16] <froztbyte> I guess I'll set up an openflow test router sometime and make some trial attempts at it

[14-Jun-2011 12:45:52] <rmatte> hmmm, I'm going to disable zenperfsnmp until I'm happy with how the devices are added/configured

[14-Jun-2011 13:05:13] <xuru> bigegor: howdy

[14-Jun-2011 13:05:20] <bigegor> hi

[14-Jun-2011 13:07:16] <xuru> What would I put in the "Maximun Value" for a threshold on ZenJMX Heap Memory_used?  I want to get an event before tomcat goes into a permgen error

[14-Jun-2011 13:08:27] <bigegor> hmm. no idea.

[14-Jun-2011 13:08:46] <xuru> not sure what's available in the 'here' variable

[14-Jun-2011 13:08:50] <rocket> <smart_ass some_value_less_than_the_permgen_error_value> ?

[14-Jun-2011 13:09:00] <xuru>

[14-Jun-2011 13:09:23] <bigegor>

[14-Jun-2011 13:09:53] <bigegor> You've Got It )

[14-Jun-2011 13:11:13] <xuru> there is a Heap Memory graph that has cur / max for heap memory

[14-Jun-2011 13:11:35] <xuru> would it just be something like here.Memory_commited ?

[14-Jun-2011 13:11:48] <bigegor> i think 'here' it is your server. So you can only check agains total memory or some constant value.

[14-Jun-2011 13:11:59] <xuru> ah

[14-Jun-2011 13:12:24] <bigegor> total memory is dev.hw.totalMemory

[14-Jun-2011 13:12:25] <xuru> what about the datapoints?  can you access them?

[14-Jun-2011 13:13:09] <rocket> xuru not directly .. you could create a small function and access it ..

[14-Jun-2011 13:13:14] <bigegor> only with docs/DOC-10224 from Ryan

[14-Jun-2011 13:13:42] <xuru> ah, interesting

[14-Jun-2011 13:13:45] <xuru> thanks

[14-Jun-2011 13:13:51] <bigegor> np

[14-Jun-2011 13:15:01] <xuru> ah, perfect.  so i can have it give me the max heap / current heap as a percent

[14-Jun-2011 13:16:16] <bigegor> i think so.

[14-Jun-2011 13:22:29] <xuru> hmm.. I think there is something wrong...   when I go to install a zenpack, I get the following error:

[14-Jun-2011 13:22:37] <xuru> OSError: [Errno 20] Not a directory: '/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/ZenPacks.community.FormulaDataSource-1.6.egg/skins'

[14-Jun-2011 13:22:54] <xuru> I tried with a different zenpack with the same result

[14-Jun-2011 13:23:45] <bigegor> install ZenPacks as zenoss user

[14-Jun-2011 13:23:54] <xuru> I am

[14-Jun-2011 13:25:28] * xuru is making a backup

[14-Jun-2011 13:26:37] <rmatte> he's probably trying to install it as a .zip

[14-Jun-2011 13:26:56] <rmatte> it needs to be a .egg, if it's a .zip unzip it

[14-Jun-2011 13:26:58] <rmatte> then install it

[14-Jun-2011 13:27:36] <xuru> I'll try that

[14-Jun-2011 13:27:59] <xuru> guess I forgot that little detail

[14-Jun-2011 13:28:17] <xuru> rmatte: thanks for that zenpack btw

[14-Jun-2011 13:28:29] <rmatte> also, just to tell you, that pack is a bit heavy on CPU usage at the moment since it launches a script for each calculation that it does

[14-Jun-2011 13:28:43] <rmatte> I'm going to start writing a daemon for it this week

[14-Jun-2011 13:28:58] <rmatte> hopefully should have the daemon completed within a couple of weeks, then I'll make the release

[14-Jun-2011 13:29:01] <xuru> cool, I'll keep an eye out

[14-Jun-2011 13:29:04] <froztbyte> FormulaDataSource?

[14-Jun-2011 13:29:11] <froztbyte> link to page plox

[14-Jun-2011 13:29:12] <rmatte> froztbyte: correct

[14-Jun-2011 13:29:17] <rmatte> docs/DOC-10224

[14-Jun-2011 13:29:25] <froztbyte> ta

[14-Jun-2011 13:29:29] <rmatte> It works very well right now just as long as you don't overuse it

[14-Jun-2011 13:29:37] <rmatte> but once the daemon is done it should be a lot faster

[14-Jun-2011 13:29:42] <xuru>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 233, in get_makefile_filename

[14-Jun-2011 13:29:43] <xuru>     return os.path.join(lib_dir, "config" + (sys.pydebug and "_d" or ""), "Makefile")

[14-Jun-2011 13:29:43] <xuru> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'pydebug'

[14-Jun-2011 13:29:59] <rmatte> xuru: where are you seeing that?

[14-Jun-2011 13:30:03] <froztbyte> rmatte: oh, I see

[14-Jun-2011 13:30:09] <xuru> zenpack --install=ZenPacks.community.FormulaDataSource-1.6.egg

[14-Jun-2011 13:30:17] <froztbyte> rmatte: I've been meaning to check if I can do this

[14-Jun-2011 13:30:39] <rmatte> xuru: try without the =

[14-Jun-2011 13:30:48] <rmatte> zenpack --install ZenPacks.community.FormulaDataSource-1.6.egg

[14-Jun-2011 13:31:00] <xuru> ok, one sec

[14-Jun-2011 13:31:09] <rmatte> I think if you put an = you have to surround the name of the ZenPack in quotes

[14-Jun-2011 13:31:17] <rmatte> like... zenpack --install="ZenPacks.community.FormulaDataSource-1.6.egg"

[14-Jun-2011 13:31:36] <rmatte> but I don't use the = since there are never spaces in ZenPack names anymore

[14-Jun-2011 13:31:40] <rmatte> there used to be back in the day

[14-Jun-2011 13:35:08] <xuru> I get the same error

[14-Jun-2011 13:35:18] <xuru> "zenpack --install ZenPacks.community.FormulaDataSource-1.6.egg"

[14-Jun-2011 13:35:46] <rmatte> is zenoss running?

[14-Jun-2011 13:35:52] <xuru> yes

[14-Jun-2011 13:35:56] <rmatte> hmmm

[14-Jun-2011 13:36:09] <rmatte> I've honestly never seen that error before... try restarting zenoss and then try installing again

[14-Jun-2011 13:36:22] <rmatte> also, you did actually unzip the pack right?

[14-Jun-2011 13:36:26] <xuru> I'm having it do a backup just in case.  once that is done I'll start it

[14-Jun-2011 13:36:29] <rmatte> you didn't just rename the .egg.zip to a .egg?

[14-Jun-2011 13:36:36] <xuru> nope

[14-Jun-2011 13:36:41] <xuru> unzipped it

[14-Jun-2011 13:36:53] <rmatte> you can't install a ZenPack unless Zenoss is running

[14-Jun-2011 13:36:55] <rmatte> so that's your problem

[14-Jun-2011 13:37:19] <xuru> it is running

[14-Jun-2011 13:37:41] <xuru> I went into the advanced > Backups

[14-Jun-2011 13:37:49] <xuru> and told it to create a backup

[14-Jun-2011 13:37:52] <rmatte> the backup running could be what's causing the error

[14-Jun-2011 13:38:13] <xuru> ok, it's done now, so I'll try again

[14-Jun-2011 13:38:28] <rmatte> also, most ZenPacks, including this one, can't really screw up your install... you don't have to be so precautionary in most cases.

[14-Jun-2011 13:39:03] <xuru> yeah, I just noticed that there hasn't been one, and in case i'm going to need to do something drastic...

[14-Jun-2011 13:39:10] <xuru> same error

[14-Jun-2011 13:39:15] <rmatte> restart zenoss

[14-Jun-2011 13:39:16] <xuru> going to restart zenosss

[14-Jun-2011 13:39:49] <rmatte> you said you're doing the install of the pack as the zenoss user right?

[14-Jun-2011 13:40:06] <rmatte> if you install it as any other user on the system it'll fail

[14-Jun-2011 13:40:28] <xuru> yep zenoss user

[14-Jun-2011 13:40:39] <xuru> uid=500(zenoss) gid=500(zenoss) groups=500(zenoss),900(oinstall),900(oinstall),901(dba)

[14-Jun-2011 13:40:55] <rmatte> what version of Zenoss is it?

[14-Jun-2011 13:40:58] <xuru> 3.1

[14-Jun-2011 13:41:01] <rmatte> k

[14-Jun-2011 13:42:46] <xuru> wow, same damn error

[14-Jun-2011 13:43:25] <f00f> prolly wrong plugin version ?

[14-Jun-2011 13:43:28] <rmatte> k, something is screwed up in your install then

[14-Jun-2011 13:43:32] <f00f> the plugin hasnt been ported to it yet ?

[14-Jun-2011 13:43:40] <rmatte> ported to what?

[14-Jun-2011 13:44:02] <rmatte> the pack was successfully tested with 3.0.3, and 3.1 is just a bugfix release, no changes that would cause that

[14-Jun-2011 13:44:16] <rmatte> I'll try installing it on my 3.1 instance right now

[14-Jun-2011 13:44:20] f00f is now known as f00fster

[14-Jun-2011 13:44:37] <xuru> should it be going to the system python path for anything?

[14-Jun-2011 13:44:47] <xuru> /usr/lib/python2.6/distutils/sysconfig.py

[14-Jun-2011 13:45:28] <rmatte> no

[14-Jun-2011 13:45:34] <rmatte> it should all be Zenoss python

[14-Jun-2011 13:45:34] <xuru> could be I screwed something up

[14-Jun-2011 13:45:45] <rmatte> how did you install it?

[14-Jun-2011 13:45:48] <rmatte> rpm, stack?

[14-Jun-2011 13:45:56] <xuru> deb

[14-Jun-2011 13:46:03] <rmatte> I see

[14-Jun-2011 13:46:14] <rmatte> the deb is really just the stack installer wrapped up

[14-Jun-2011 13:46:18] <xuru> I might have done it...  I modified the .bashrc file

[14-Jun-2011 13:46:25] <rmatte> but yeh, definitely shouldn't be touching the system python at all

[14-Jun-2011 13:46:31] <rmatte> ewwww

[14-Jun-2011 13:46:33] <rmatte> why?

[14-Jun-2011 13:47:07] <xuru> heh, I don't remember now

[14-Jun-2011 13:47:18] <rmatte> what did you actually edit in it?

[14-Jun-2011 13:47:19] <xuru> I think I was trying something experimental

[14-Jun-2011 13:47:20] <rmatte> no idea?

[14-Jun-2011 13:47:25] <xuru> ok, that works

[14-Jun-2011 13:47:35] <rmatte> changed the PATH?

[14-Jun-2011 13:47:49] <xuru> yes, I had changed the python path for some reason

[14-Jun-2011 13:47:53] <rmatte> ah

[14-Jun-2011 13:47:56] <rmatte> yeh, don't do that

[14-Jun-2011 13:47:56] <rmatte> lol

[14-Jun-2011 13:48:01] <xuru> hehe, ok

[14-Jun-2011 13:48:19] <xuru> can't remember what I was trying to do...  ah well

[14-Jun-2011 13:48:25] <xuru> sorry to take up your time

[14-Jun-2011 13:48:33] <rmatte> all good

[14-Jun-2011 13:50:44] <xuru> do I need to restart the stack after install the zenpack?

[14-Jun-2011 13:51:36] <rmatte> yes

[14-Jun-2011 13:51:40] <rmatte> well not the stack

[14-Jun-2011 13:51:43] <rmatte> just do zenoss stop

[14-Jun-2011 13:51:49] <rmatte> then zenoss status to make sure everything stopped ok

[14-Jun-2011 13:51:52] <rmatte> then zenoss start

[14-Jun-2011 13:51:57] <xuru> k

[14-Jun-2011 13:52:12] <rmatte> restarting the stack restarts mysql, which is not necessary

[14-Jun-2011 13:52:28] <xuru> ok, cool

[14-Jun-2011 13:59:45] <xuru> rmatte: you have as an example in the docs something like: $laLoadInt1_laLoadInt1 + $laLoadInt15_laLoadInt15  (laLoadInt1 == data source, laLoadInt1 == data point)

[14-Jun-2011 14:00:13] <xuru> what if the data source name for mine is "ZenJMX Heap Memory"

[14-Jun-2011 14:01:33] <xuru> Mine would be something like:  $ZenJMX Heap Memory.commited  ?

[14-Jun-2011 14:03:36] <rmatte> xuru, spaces get replaced with underscores

[14-Jun-2011 14:03:55] <xuru> ok

[14-Jun-2011 14:04:01] <rmatte> if committed is the datapoint name...

[14-Jun-2011 14:04:07] <xuru> yes

[14-Jun-2011 14:04:16] <rmatte> then it would be $ZenJMX_Heap_Memory_commited

[14-Jun-2011 14:04:24] <rmatte> check the name of the actual RRD file that it created

[14-Jun-2011 14:04:28] <rmatte> and use that as reference

[14-Jun-2011 14:04:44] <xuru> ok, cool

[14-Jun-2011 14:05:28] <rmatte> another way to check is to go in to a graph in the template

[14-Jun-2011 14:05:39] <rmatte> then click on the last graphpoint to view the options

[14-Jun-2011 14:05:53] <rmatte> and at the bottom you'll see "Available RRD Variables"

[14-Jun-2011 14:06:12] <rmatte> actually nevermind

[14-Jun-2011 14:06:21] <rmatte> you can see it right in the graphpoint list

[14-Jun-2011 14:06:24] <rmatte> as description

[14-Jun-2011 14:08:03] <xuru> the description lists it as ZenJMX Non-Heap Memory_commited

[14-Jun-2011 14:08:45] <jackery> I have ZenOss daemon running (a custom daemon) and am trying to determine how ZenOss parallelizes requests to the daemon. Anyone know how this works or where the knob is to adjust this setting?

[14-Jun-2011 14:09:50] <xuru> ZenJMX Heap Memory_committed.rrd

[14-Jun-2011 14:10:01] <xuru> hmm...

[14-Jun-2011 14:10:56] <rmatte> check it in an actual graph

[14-Jun-2011 14:11:03] <xuru> same

[14-Jun-2011 14:11:27] <rmatte> if you double click on the graphpoint to view it's properties

[14-Jun-2011 14:11:33] <rmatte> the "datapoint" property has spaces in it?

[14-Jun-2011 14:11:48] <xuru> yes

[14-Jun-2011 14:12:00] <rmatte> hmmm weird

[14-Jun-2011 14:12:10] <xuru> yeah

[14-Jun-2011 14:12:16] <rmatte> well to tell you the truth, I never accounted for spaces in datasource names...

[14-Jun-2011 14:12:20] <rmatte> so it may work, it may not

[14-Jun-2011 14:12:28] <xuru> give a syntax error

[14-Jun-2011 14:12:40] <rmatte> try putting a backslash in front of the spaces

[14-Jun-2011 14:12:44] <xuru> I'm going to change the name to non-space name to see if that works

[14-Jun-2011 14:12:51] <xuru> or that

[14-Jun-2011 14:12:53] <rmatte> ZenJMX\ Heap\ Memory_committed

[14-Jun-2011 14:12:55] <rmatte> try that

[14-Jun-2011 14:12:59] <rmatte> actually hmmm

[14-Jun-2011 14:13:02] <rmatte> that probably won't work

[14-Jun-2011 14:13:07] <rmatte> it's because of the way the regex is done

[14-Jun-2011 14:13:17] <rmatte> I'll make a note and make sure it works for the next version of the pack

[14-Jun-2011 14:13:23] <xuru> ok, cool

[14-Jun-2011 14:17:50] <xuru> hmm... I'm still getting that TypeError

[14-Jun-2011 14:18:06] <xuru> Calculating formula '$ZenJMXHeapMemory_commited / $ZenJMXHeapMemory_used' against ksappserver01

[14-Jun-2011 14:18:06] <xuru> The formula generated an error: TypeError.

[14-Jun-2011 14:18:47] <xuru> maybe it needs to generate some graph data first?

[14-Jun-2011 14:18:54] <rmatte> yes

[14-Jun-2011 14:19:04] <rmatte> it needs RRD files with data in them to work

[14-Jun-2011 14:19:08] <xuru> ok

[14-Jun-2011 14:21:51] <xuru> will modeling a device get it to generate rrd files?

[14-Jun-2011 14:22:01] <xuru> just curious

[14-Jun-2011 14:22:17] <rmatte> no

[14-Jun-2011 14:22:23] <rmatte> RRD files are generated on data collection

[14-Jun-2011 14:22:45] <rmatte> so in your case, 3 zenjmx cycles collecting data

[14-Jun-2011 14:22:52] <xuru> ah, will the files be created when the data is collected?  or will there be placeholder files?

[14-Jun-2011 14:23:05] <rmatte> they'll be created when the data is collected

[14-Jun-2011 14:23:14] <rmatte> they are immediately created on first collection if they don't exist

[14-Jun-2011 14:23:22] <xuru> I see the files now

[14-Jun-2011 14:23:37] <rmatte> it also takes 3 cycles generally before you can extract data from them

[14-Jun-2011 14:23:39] <xuru> I'll give it some time though, just curious how it works

[14-Jun-2011 14:23:48] <rmatte> they need a minimum of 3 values to be able to do max, min, average, etc...

[14-Jun-2011 14:23:57] <xuru> ah ok

[14-Jun-2011 14:24:05] <xuru> interesting

[14-Jun-2011 14:24:15] <rmatte> you'll notice that you won't see any data on graphs until 3 cycles have been completed

[14-Jun-2011 14:24:19] <rmatte> you'll just see "nan"

[14-Jun-2011 14:24:22] <rmatte> which stands for not a number

[14-Jun-2011 14:24:27] <xuru> yep

[14-Jun-2011 14:25:42] <xuru> do unused rrd files ever get cleaned up?

[14-Jun-2011 14:27:13] <bigegor_> SQLDataSource ZenPack 2.0 BETA4 is here people/bigegor/blog/2011/06/14/sqldatasource-zenpack-20-beta4 , so please test it.

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[14-Jun-2011 14:28:04] <xuru> bigegor: ooh nice...  will do

[14-Jun-2011 14:29:01] <xuru> bigegor: do I need to uninstall the zenpack first?

[14-Jun-2011 14:29:46] <bigegor> no. only restart zenoss after installing.

[14-Jun-2011 14:30:03] <xuru> wow, I'm quite a bit out of date...   the data sources for those, I'm still at 2.10

[14-Jun-2011 14:31:31] <bigegor> you means WMIDataSource?

[14-Jun-2011 14:31:37] <xuru> yeah

[14-Jun-2011 14:32:06] <xuru> I'll have to go through and upgrade everything

[14-Jun-2011 14:32:18] <bigegor> you can not direct compare old one with new one.

[14-Jun-2011 14:32:48] <rmatte> xuru: they do eventually get cleaned up yes

[14-Jun-2011 14:33:07] <rmatte> but it takes quite a while, it does it based on the date that the file was last accessed

[14-Jun-2011 14:33:07] <xuru> rmatte: ah, good to know

[14-Jun-2011 14:33:16] <rmatte> well, the date it was last written to

[14-Jun-2011 14:33:35] <rmatte> 3 months old or something like that

[14-Jun-2011 14:33:51] <xuru> good enough

[14-Jun-2011 14:33:51] <bigegor> new one is daemonless

[14-Jun-2011 14:34:14] <xuru> bigegor: very cool

[14-Jun-2011 14:34:41] <bigegor> it used zenperfsql daemon from SQLDataSource with pywmidb module as database driver.

[14-Jun-2011 14:35:28] <xuru> switching to daemonless made it a lot faster?

[14-Jun-2011 14:36:43] <bigegor> for WBEMDataSource it 4 times faster in my environment and used less memory.

[14-Jun-2011 14:37:02] <rmatte> new what is daemonless?

[14-Jun-2011 14:37:06] <xuru> that's awesome

[14-Jun-2011 14:37:22] <bigegor> no zenperfwmi

[14-Jun-2011 14:37:36] <bigegor> and no zenperfwbem daemons

[14-Jun-2011 14:37:38] * JohnnyNoc blinks

[14-Jun-2011 14:37:47] <rmatte> oh, there's a new version of the WMI pack that doesn't have a daemon but which is faster?

[14-Jun-2011 14:37:49] <JohnnyNoc> no zenperfwmi daemon in the future in the new versions?

[14-Jun-2011 14:38:02] <JohnnyNoc> did i read that correctly?

[14-Jun-2011 14:38:10] * xuru points up the link above

[14-Jun-2011 14:38:20] * JohnnyNoc goes to read

[14-Jun-2011 14:39:00] <bigegor> yes. only one zenperfsql daemon for all query based datasources (WBEM, WMI, SQL)

[14-Jun-2011 14:42:35] <bigegor> i've update WMI and WBEM Data Source ZenPacks only for backward compatibility reasons. Normally you doesn't need it any longer.  You can use direct SQL datasource with pywmidb, pywbemdb or pywsmandb driver

[14-Jun-2011 14:44:23] <bigegor> here is examples https://github.com/epuzanov/ZenPacks.community.CIMMon

[14-Jun-2011 14:44:59] <JohnnyNoc> bigegor, while you're here, I wanted to ask a question about your DellMon zenpack

[14-Jun-2011 14:45:00] <JohnnyNoc>

[14-Jun-2011 14:45:10] <bigegor> asking

[14-Jun-2011 14:45:24] <JohnnyNoc> please correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the Dell zenpack doesn't create alerts for hardware alerts and the HPMon zenpack does

[14-Jun-2011 14:46:10] <JohnnyNoc> is the Dell zenpack supposed to be able to create the alerts?  I assume yes as your HPMon zenpack does but the last hardware issue I saw on one of our Dells an alert was never created

[14-Jun-2011 14:47:30] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: It'll obviously only alert on what it's actually polling for

[14-Jun-2011 14:47:39] <JohnnyNoc> excuse me, doesn't create alerts for hardware events for example a degraded DIMM

[14-Jun-2011 14:47:39] <bigegor> hmm. it doesn't create alerts for SNMP Traps.  My problem with Dell ZenPack is, i don't have any Dell hardware and i can not test it against real hardware.

[14-Jun-2011 14:47:58] <JohnnyNoc> ok

[14-Jun-2011 14:48:01] <JohnnyNoc> that makes sense then

[14-Jun-2011 14:48:46] <xuru> bigegor: I have some dell servers

[14-Jun-2011 14:49:51] <bigegor> xuru: can you create transforms for every snmp traps type?

[14-Jun-2011 14:50:06] <jackery> Anyone know how to add a custom daemon to the Performance graphs on a collector?

[14-Jun-2011 14:50:07] <xuru> bigegor: maybe

[14-Jun-2011 14:51:05] <xuru> bigegor: not sure I have the time though right now...  I'll add it to my todo list

[14-Jun-2011 14:51:18] <bigegor> ok

[14-Jun-2011 14:51:51] <JohnnyNoc> bigegor I'd be more than happy to give it a while but I would need some guidance

[14-Jun-2011 14:52:01] <JohnnyNoc> i assume i could peek into your HPMon zenpack and figure it out though, no? 

[14-Jun-2011 14:52:37] <bigegor> xuru: here is git repo https://github.com/epuzanov/ZenPacks.community.DellMon

[14-Jun-2011 14:53:43] <xuru> bigegor: thanks

[14-Jun-2011 14:53:44] <bigegor> JohnnyNoc: not realy.

[14-Jun-2011 14:54:20] <xuru> I can simulate a trap on the dell server correct?

[14-Jun-2011 14:54:25] <jmp242> Anyone used the puppet zenpack with v3? I'm guessing it doesn't work, but hey

[14-Jun-2011 14:54:25] <JohnnyNoc> so you need someone to create the event mappings and associated transform like this:  evt.summary = "Total correctable errors = %d."  %(evt.cpqHeCorrMemTotalErrs)

[14-Jun-2011 14:54:52] <bigegor> JohnnyNoc: yes, but for Dells OIDs

[14-Jun-2011 14:54:54] <JohnnyNoc> jmp242 never hurts to ask

[14-Jun-2011 14:54:58] <JohnnyNoc> bigegor *nod* of course

[14-Jun-2011 14:59:39] <JohnnyNoc> bigegor when I asked about looking at the HPMon zenpack, I meant to see how you created the alerts from the SNMP traps

[14-Jun-2011 14:59:52] <JohnnyNoc> i've never written a zenpack (to completion) and just am not sure how it's done

[14-Jun-2011 15:00:48] <bigegor> event mappings can be added from GUI.

[14-Jun-2011 15:01:30] <JohnnyNoc> *nod* I'm familiar with that.  but they could then be "exported" in a manner to be used in the Zenpack?

[14-Jun-2011 15:01:42] <xuru> JohnnyNoc: I think all he needs are the transforms for the traps.  Once you have a trap sent to zenoss, you can add a transform for it to give it a description and such.  You can then export all those transforms out for him to add to his zenpack

[14-Jun-2011 15:01:54] <xuru> lol, slow typer

[14-Jun-2011 15:02:23] <JohnnyNoc> xuru right on

[14-Jun-2011 15:02:38] <bigegor> but use zenoss 2.5.2 please (objects.xml file created by zenoss 3.x is not 100% backward compatible)

[14-Jun-2011 15:03:21] <xuru> JohnnyNoc: have a look at mibbrowser (http://ireasoning.com/download.shtml).  You can load the mib, and tell it to send all traps at once

[14-Jun-2011 15:03:29] <JohnnyNoc> bigegor gotcha.  We use 2.5.3 but I don't imagine that makes a difference in this case.

[14-Jun-2011 15:03:40] <JohnnyNoc> xuru hey I thought you were gonna do this?  :-{

[14-Jun-2011 15:03:42] <JohnnyNoc> :-P

[14-Jun-2011 15:03:55] <xuru> hehe, I don't have much time, and I'm using 3.1

[14-Jun-2011 15:04:02] <xuru> I'd have to setup a 2.5

[14-Jun-2011 15:04:10] <JohnnyNoc> but good point..  i've used it in the past on occasion

[14-Jun-2011 15:04:19] <JohnnyNoc> *nod*

[14-Jun-2011 15:04:29] <JohnnyNoc> well this is where i need to step up huh

[14-Jun-2011 15:04:43] <JohnnyNoc> return some of the many favors bigegor has done for me/us/the community

[14-Jun-2011 15:04:46] <xuru> it's pretty nice, I might have to get work to pay for a copy

[14-Jun-2011 15:06:15] <bigegor> JohnnyNoc: +1 (real open source feeling)

[14-Jun-2011 15:06:54] <xuru> hehe

[14-Jun-2011 15:06:56] <dhopp> bigegor:  how "secure" is the WMI part of your pack?  meaning, usernames/passwords are not in plain text going across the wire are they?

[14-Jun-2011 15:07:16] <dhopp> or more specifically passwords

[14-Jun-2011 15:07:17] <xuru> JohnnyNoc: do you have the dell mibs?  Could you let me know where to get them?

[14-Jun-2011 15:09:57] <JohnnyNoc> xuru hmm..  not sure that i do now that i'm looking for them

[14-Jun-2011 15:10:09] <bigegor> dhop: it used zenoss pysamba library, so it the same security level (as i know, usernames/passwords are not in plain text going across the wire)

[14-Jun-2011 15:10:15] <xuru> JohnnyNoc: ok, cool

[14-Jun-2011 15:10:24] <dhopp> bigegor:  thanks

[14-Jun-2011 15:10:35] <JohnnyNoc> xuru have you looked at oidview.com?

[14-Jun-2011 15:10:44] <JohnnyNoc> http://www.oidview.com/mibs/674/md-674-1.html

[14-Jun-2011 15:11:23] <xuru> JohnnyNoc: yeah, I remember that one...  wonder how up-to-date that is though

[14-Jun-2011 15:11:49] <dhopp> bigegor:  I installed those beta zenpacks but I don't see any WMI templates?

[14-Jun-2011 15:12:00] <JohnnyNoc> xuru: i wonder too.  i'm guessing, or hoping, our vendor could help us locate them

[14-Jun-2011 15:12:05] <JohnnyNoc> we spend enough money damnit

[14-Jun-2011 15:12:43] <xuru> hehe

[14-Jun-2011 15:13:08] <xuru> those look like a good place to start though

[14-Jun-2011 15:13:53] <dhopp> bigegor:  never mind

[14-Jun-2011 15:14:16] <bigegor> dhopp: with pywbemdb and pywsmandb you must use scheme='https' option if you want SSL encryption

[14-Jun-2011 15:15:31] <dhopp> bigegor:  ok..I don't have any servers setup to support WBEM yet, so I can't use it to monitor right now

[14-Jun-2011 15:15:58] <bigegor> certificate-based authorization also supported by pywbemdb and pywsmandb.

[14-Jun-2011 15:16:11] <bigegor> dhopp: WinRM?

[14-Jun-2011 15:17:12] <dhopp> bigegor: we don't have WinRM setup (that I'm aware of, I'm the unix guy).  I haven't done anything with WBEM on linux either...

[14-Jun-2011 15:17:18] <dhopp> bigegor:  but I'll look into WinRM

[14-Jun-2011 15:17:32] <bigegor> WinRM = WS-Management (pywsmandb)

[14-Jun-2011 15:17:42] <dhopp> are you using WinRM in place of regular WMI then?

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[14-Jun-2011 15:20:48] <bigegor> if i right undestand M$ implementations, you can access CIM (WMI) classes over WinRM (WS-Management (http/https)) transport

[14-Jun-2011 15:22:34] <bigegor> it can be useful if you don't want open all DCOM ports on firewall. For WS-Management you need only one port (5985 or 5986)

[14-Jun-2011 15:23:13] <dhopp> bigegor:  we have DCOM configured to only use a small range of ports and have that open on the firewall….but would be even easier if it was just 2 ports

[14-Jun-2011 15:24:17] <bigegor> you need only one. 5985 for http or 5986 for https.

[14-Jun-2011 15:24:52] <bigegor> 5986 is more secure

[14-Jun-2011 15:25:05] <dhopp> bigegor:  thanks for the lesson :-P

[14-Jun-2011 15:25:11] <bigegor> np

[14-Jun-2011 15:25:30] <dhopp> I'll make sure to check to make sure when I put my CC number on a website that it has https :-P

[14-Jun-2011 15:27:04] <dhopp> when was WinRM first introduced?  2003 R2? or 2003?

[14-Jun-2011 15:28:14] <bigegor> 2003, 2008 has WinRM 2.0

[14-Jun-2011 15:30:47] <dhopp> bigegor:  so with the new beta version of your zenpacks…is the WMIPerf_Windows no longer needed?

[14-Jun-2011 15:33:53] <bigegor> you need it. it also must be rewrited (WMI Data Source must be replaced with SQL Data Source within templates ) to support different transports.

[14-Jun-2011 15:36:01] <bigegor> now i'm working on CIMMon ZenPack and i'm thinking about merging Windows specific templates from WMIPerf_Windows into it.

[14-Jun-2011 15:37:44] <dhopp> bigegor:  now I'm confused…are you saying that from WMIDevice, the "Type" needs to be changed from "WMI" to "SQL"?

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[14-Jun-2011 15:38:47] <bigegor> yes. exactly

[14-Jun-2011 15:40:18] <bigegor> WMI DataSource used only WMI as a transport.

[14-Jun-2011 15:41:13] <bigegor> in SQL Data Source you must specify connection string and query.

[14-Jun-2011 15:41:54] <dhopp> ah ok…so what does the connection string look like?

[14-Jun-2011 15:42:43] <bigegor> connection string in SQL DataSource looks like: 'DB-API-driver-module',arg1=something,arg2=something

[14-Jun-2011 15:43:44] <dhopp> ok..can you give me an example of what it would look like for WMI?   I'm trying to wrap my head around this…and how I would explain it to windows admins that "for WMI, choose SQL type and set connection string to blah"

[14-Jun-2011 15:43:58] <bigegor> in new SQL Data Source i've added new modules for WMI, WBEM and WS-Management (pywmidb, pywbemdb, pywsmandb)

[14-Jun-2011 15:44:12] <bigegor> so conection string for WMI will looks like:

[14-Jun-2011 15:45:46] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: You in?

[14-Jun-2011 15:45:49] <bigegor> 'pywmidb',host='${dev/manageIp}',user='${dev/zWinUser}',password='${dev/zWinPassword}',namespace='root/cimv2'

[14-Jun-2011 15:46:42] <bigegor> for WBEM: 'pywbemdb',host='${dev/manageIp}',scheme='https',port=5989,user='${dev/zWinUser}',password='${dev/zWinPassword}',namespace='root/cimv2'

[14-Jun-2011 15:47:18] <bigegor> for WinRM: 'pywsmandb',host='${dev/manageIp}',scheme='https',port=5986,user='${dev/zWinUser}',password='${dev/zWinPassword}',namespace='root/cimv2'

[14-Jun-2011 15:48:31] <bigegor> so you can use the same query with different transports against different operating systems or CIMMOMs

[14-Jun-2011 15:49:55] <bigegor> o.e. 'SELECT LoadPercentage FROM CIM_Processor' will works with ANY OS.

[14-Jun-2011 15:51:20] <bigegor> dhopp: you can play with https://github.com/epuzanov/ZenPacks.community.CIMMon ZenPack.

[14-Jun-2011 15:52:51] <dhopp> what is that supposed to replace?

[14-Jun-2011 15:53:07] <dhopp> just trying to get a picture of what all this will evolve into

[14-Jun-2011 15:53:17] <bigegor> connection string you can specify in zCIMConnectionString zProperty, I've tested /CIM/Device template against Windows, Linux with sfcb, Netware, Linux with OpenWbem.

[14-Jun-2011 15:53:51] <dhopp> oh..that's all that CIMMon pack does..is add the zProperty?

[14-Jun-2011 15:54:17] <dhopp> (outside of adding templates)

[14-Jun-2011 15:54:41] <bigegor> my goal is to ge the same level of  functionality with CIM as we have with SNMP

[14-Jun-2011 15:54:54] <dhopp> gotcha

[14-Jun-2011 15:55:01] <bigegor> it also add some modeler plugins

[14-Jun-2011 15:55:53] <dhopp> is the speed comparable to snmp when you are talking about a lot of datapoints?

[14-Jun-2011 15:59:29] <bigegor> in my tests yes. zenperfsql daemon, can catch a lot of datapoints in short time.

[14-Jun-2011 15:59:56] <bigegor> it has some queue optimization

[14-Jun-2011 16:03:51] <bigegor> o.e. let say you have 20 Hard Disks in you storage system. query for status of each disk will looks like: 'SELECT OperationalStatus FROM CIM_DiskDrive WHERE DeviceID="DiskName"'

[14-Jun-2011 16:08:34] <bigegor> zenperfsql daemon will send only one query: 'SELECT OperationalStatus FROM CIM_DiskDrive' and than it parsed results and writed OperationalStatus value in RRD file for every Hard Disk component in your Device

[14-Jun-2011 16:09:23] <bigegor> so it replaced 20 queries with only one.

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[14-Jun-2011 18:51:44] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: moo

[14-Jun-2011 19:26:31] <f00fster> later guys

[14-Jun-2011 19:26:33] <f00fster> calling it a night

[14-Jun-2011 19:35:46] <locohost> peace

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[15-Jun-2011 03:55:20] <rockhopper_> hey guys, i'm getting a warning about snmpd, in the server when i try running snmpd -d -f -L -c /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf i get iquerySecName has not been configured - internal queries will fail  NET-SNMP version 5.4.3

[15-Jun-2011 03:55:34] <rockhopper_> and then it looks like waiting for input

[15-Jun-2011 03:55:48] <rockhopper_> and i still get the warning

[15-Jun-2011 03:56:03] <rockhopper_> using Ubuntu 10.10 as a server

[15-Jun-2011 04:39:27] <tehhobbit> what does your snmpd.conf look like (pastebin)

[15-Jun-2011 05:36:43] <rockhopper_> tehhobbit: oops, didn't noticed you answered me

[15-Jun-2011 05:36:44] <rockhopper_> sec

[15-Jun-2011 05:37:09] <rockhopper_> tehhobbit: it's just "rocommunity public"

[15-Jun-2011 06:04:20] <rockhopper_> tehhobbit: any idea?

[15-Jun-2011 06:53:58] <tehhobbit> hmmms let me check mine

[15-Jun-2011 06:55:45] <tehhobbit> rockhopper_: http://pastie.org/2071658

[15-Jun-2011 06:56:08] <tehhobbit> rockhopper_: I accually never thought about what it does just always there

[15-Jun-2011 06:58:00] <heavybit> hello guys

[15-Jun-2011 06:59:01] <heavybit> do you know a good guide to make zenoss sendsms  notifications to a list of mobile phones?

[15-Jun-2011 06:59:20] <heavybit> can i do it with freeware service?

[15-Jun-2011 07:17:25] <rockhopper_> heavybit: search in zenoss community site

[15-Jun-2011 07:17:29] <rockhopper_> i saw there something

[15-Jun-2011 07:17:52] <rockhopper_> heavybit: nd i believe not

[15-Jun-2011 07:17:55] <rockhopper_> and*

[15-Jun-2011 08:06:27] <rockhopper_> I'm trying to set snmpd on ubuntu 10.10, any experience anyone?

[15-Jun-2011 08:07:20] <rockhopper_> it looks like working but when i snmpwalk the server i get Timeout: No Response

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[15-Jun-2011 09:06:06] <Sashness> Anyone know where the dashboard configuration for each user is configured? I need to clone my dashboard config to another users

[15-Jun-2011 09:14:20] <rockhopper_> How the commands part in Zenoss works? I am able to add new commands, but how Zenoss knows if that's what i want to get?

[15-Jun-2011 09:35:28] <tsener> I have not tested this yet

[15-Jun-2011 09:35:49] <tsener> but is the backup function that zenoss provides reliable ?

[15-Jun-2011 09:36:10] <tsener> I mean the backup script that packs rrd, zodb and mysql

[15-Jun-2011 09:36:45] <tsener> what would I get if I restore such backup on a freshly installed zenoss ?

[15-Jun-2011 09:41:41] <rocket> tsener: assuming your backup was the same version of zenoss as the newly installed zenoss it would recover perf data, events and the object database

[15-Jun-2011 09:42:38] <rockhopper_> guys, anyone of you had the chance to create new commands?

[15-Jun-2011 10:00:41] <rocket> rockhopper_: your question makes little sense

[15-Jun-2011 10:00:51] <rocket> please rephrase it

[15-Jun-2011 10:03:02] <rockhopper_> rocket: on Zenoss you can create commands to run on the machines

[15-Jun-2011 10:03:06] <rockhopper_> right?

[15-Jun-2011 10:05:22] <rocket> rockhopper_: they are commands run from the zenoss master

[15-Jun-2011 10:05:36] <rocket> see blogs/ludovico/2010/03/17/creating-user-commands-to-start-and-stop-windows-services-manually

[15-Jun-2011 10:05:40] <rocket> as an example

[15-Jun-2011 10:07:33] <rockhopper_> rocket: hm.. than why it has "ping", "snmpwalk"... etc?

[15-Jun-2011 10:07:44] <rockhopper_> all the commands that should run on the machines?

[15-Jun-2011 10:07:54] <rocket> you ping the machine from the master

[15-Jun-2011 10:08:00] <rocket> you snmpwalk the machine from the master

[15-Jun-2011 10:08:19] <rockhopper_> yea, sure

[15-Jun-2011 10:08:26] <rockhopper_> that's what i need

[15-Jun-2011 10:08:33] <rockhopper_> now the question is

[15-Jun-2011 10:08:54] <rockhopper_> how Zenoss knows what a right reply should be?

[15-Jun-2011 10:09:36] <rocket> in this case the commands are only for troubleshooting

[15-Jun-2011 10:09:54] <rocket> you should read the developer guide if you wish to setup commands for monitoring

[15-Jun-2011 10:10:03] <rocket> basically you will setup a command template

[15-Jun-2011 10:10:29] <rocket> you may need a parser if you do not use nagios style return codes for your command

[15-Jun-2011 10:10:41] <rocket> if you need a parser you will need to create a simple zenpack

[15-Jun-2011 10:13:47] <rockhopper_> rocket: where can i find the developer guide?

[15-Jun-2011 10:14:06] <dhopp> rocket: what do I have to import to get sync()?

[15-Jun-2011 10:14:07] <rocket> zenoss community website

[15-Jun-2011 10:14:41] <rocket> dhopp: from zendmd?

[15-Jun-2011 10:14:51] <dhopp> in a python script

[15-Jun-2011 10:15:22] <rocket> did you load zenscriptbase?

[15-Jun-2011 10:15:40] <dhopp> yes...from Products.ZenUtils.ZenScriptBase import ZenScriptBase

[15-Jun-2011 10:15:50] <dhopp> oh crap

[15-Jun-2011 10:15:58] <rocket> import Globals  ... ?

[15-Jun-2011 10:16:20] <rocket> from transaction import commit

[15-Jun-2011 10:16:32] <rocket> maybe sync is in transaction ...

[15-Jun-2011 10:16:38] <dhopp> I imported ZenScriptBase in a class file (which my class is subclass of)..but the try/except is in a different file

[15-Jun-2011 10:16:57] <dhopp> will need to rework that

[15-Jun-2011 10:17:21] <rocket> try that first .. otherwise look at what else I posted

[15-Jun-2011 10:20:50] <dhopp> rocket:  does it make more sense to put the commit/sync in the class that is actually doing the dmd work, or outside of the class?  i.e. call a class method (methods) and then commit after that, or have the commit as part of the methods?

[15-Jun-2011 10:21:23] <dhopp> rocket:  I know I can make it probably work either way..just trying to figure out what the "best" way is

[15-Jun-2011 10:21:50] <rocket> do the commit sync with the dmd work

[15-Jun-2011 10:21:54] <rocket> its more readable

[15-Jun-2011 10:22:19] <rocket> eg you know what your committing and/or rolling back

[15-Jun-2011 10:23:43] <dhopp> ok…I have:

[15-Jun-2011 10:23:45] <dhopp> import Globals, sys

[15-Jun-2011 10:23:45] <dhopp> from Products.ZenUtils.ZenScriptBase import ZenScriptBase

[15-Jun-2011 10:23:45] <dhopp> from transaction import commit

[15-Jun-2011 10:23:54] <dhopp> but

[15-Jun-2011 10:23:55] <dhopp>     sync()

[15-Jun-2011 10:23:55] <dhopp> NameError: global name 'sync' is not defined

[15-Jun-2011 10:24:10] <dhopp> damn it

[15-Jun-2011 10:24:16] <dhopp> I didn't remove the sync out of the old code

[15-Jun-2011 10:25:07] <dhopp> actually..I'm still getting that error..that 'sync' is not defined

[15-Jun-2011 10:25:34] <dhopp>         except:

[15-Jun-2011 10:25:35] <dhopp>             sync()

[15-Jun-2011 10:25:35] <dhopp>             raise

[15-Jun-2011 10:25:39] <dhopp> I thought that was right

[15-Jun-2011 10:28:09] <rocket> sync is really an alias to this

[15-Jun-2011 10:28:13] <rocket>         # Synchronize with the Zenoss database

[15-Jun-2011 10:28:13] <rocket>         self.dmd._p_jar.sync()

[15-Jun-2011 10:28:52] <rocket> or dmd.zport._p_jar.sync()

[15-Jun-2011 10:29:26] <dhopp> so if my class is derived from ZenScriptBase should I be calling it as self.dmd._p_jar.sync()?

[15-Jun-2011 10:29:47] <dhopp> or just self._p_jar.sync()?

[15-Jun-2011 10:30:14] <dhopp> crap..got to run to a meeting

[15-Jun-2011 10:30:57] <rocket> delf.dmd._p_jar.sync()

[15-Jun-2011 10:31:03] <rocket> self.dmd._p_jar.sync()

[15-Jun-2011 10:31:13] <rocket> sync = self.dmd._p_jar.sync()

[15-Jun-2011 10:31:20] <rocket> then you can just use sync() later

[15-Jun-2011 11:07:41] <f00fster> Hackman238, whats up ?

[15-Jun-2011 11:18:15] <rmatte> I don't think he's around

[15-Jun-2011 11:24:42] <rmatte> Nick: good day

[15-Jun-2011 11:25:04] <nyeates> wasup

[15-Jun-2011 11:25:12] <rmatte> not too much

[15-Jun-2011 11:25:28] <nyeates> installing some centos5.6

[15-Jun-2011 11:25:38] <nyeates> yippee

[15-Jun-2011 11:25:50] <fragfutter> nyeates: and what will you do in five minutes?

[15-Jun-2011 11:26:12] <rmatte> lol

[15-Jun-2011 11:26:42] <rmatte> install and configure software I'd imagine

[15-Jun-2011 11:26:55] <nyeates> in 5 mins i will install centos still....probly will take longer than that

[15-Jun-2011 11:26:57] <fragfutter> edit kickstart file, enter dhcp entry, bootup server, press f12 for network boot, fetch a coffee and a danish. done.

[15-Jun-2011 11:27:17] <rmatte> fragfutter: provided you have that kind of setup, yes

[15-Jun-2011 11:27:21] <nyeates> nope, entering manual ip and netowrk setup now

[15-Jun-2011 11:27:30] <nyeates> cant recall our dns servers d'oht

[15-Jun-2011 11:27:38] <rmatte> lol

[15-Jun-2011 11:27:51] <fragfutter> that is what dhcp is meant for. just dont remember

[15-Jun-2011 11:27:56] <f00fster> 4.2.2.2 ?

[15-Jun-2011 11:28:01] <fragfutter> 8.8.8.8

[15-Jun-2011 11:28:03] <nyeates> is that googs?

[15-Jun-2011 11:28:28] <fragfutter> 130.83.22.60

[15-Jun-2011 11:28:38] <f00fster> 4.2 is verizon

[15-Jun-2011 11:28:40] <f00fster> 8.8 is google

[15-Jun-2011 11:30:18] <rmatte> yeh, 8.8.8.8 is the best when you're in a jam, easy to remember

[15-Jun-2011 11:30:42] <nyeates> we have a special internal one to use for VMs...found it

[15-Jun-2011 11:31:22] <fragfutter> the 130. is the very first dns i ever used and i can still a few more. what stupid stuff sticks in the brain.

[15-Jun-2011 11:31:52] <nyeates> your de-verginizing DNS eh?

[15-Jun-2011 11:32:01] <fragfutter>

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[15-Jun-2011 11:32:58] <anotherdaffy> hi guys

[15-Jun-2011 11:33:30] <anotherdaffy> I seem to have a problem with getting access to event variables in a transform

[15-Jun-2011 11:33:36] <rocket> 192.9.9.3 sun.com ..

[15-Jun-2011 11:33:49] <rmatte> anotherdaffy: well, how are you trying to access them

[15-Jun-2011 11:33:51] <rmatte> give an example

[15-Jun-2011 11:34:06] <anotherdaffy> the event comes from syslog, the MIB is loaded, and in the web interface I can see that they have been pulled out correctly

[15-Jun-2011 11:34:07] <nyeates> anyone looked at chets new code for openstack or the other one he made recently?

[15-Jun-2011 11:34:26] <anotherdaffy> er. not syslog, what am I saying

[15-Jun-2011 11:34:27] <anotherdaffy> snmptrap

[15-Jun-2011 11:34:34] <rmatte> anotherdaffy: I'm saying that maybe your syntax is the problem, can I see your code?

[15-Jun-2011 11:34:53] <anotherdaffy> well, I'm using zendmd

[15-Jun-2011 11:35:09] <rmatte> you can't properly test transforms with zendmd

[15-Jun-2011 11:35:11] <rmatte> forget it

[15-Jun-2011 11:35:18] <anotherdaffy> in the event details on the web UI, I can see that there's a value called ifName

[15-Jun-2011 11:35:20] <rmatte> write the transform then wait for an event to come in to test it

[15-Jun-2011 11:35:20] <anotherdaffy> ah, okay

[15-Jun-2011 11:35:28] <anotherdaffy> well that explains it then

[15-Jun-2011 11:35:40] <nyeates> evt.ifName

[15-Jun-2011 11:35:43] <rmatte> I mean... you can kind of do it

[15-Jun-2011 11:35:56] <rmatte> but it'

[15-Jun-2011 11:36:00] <rmatte> it's not reliable

[15-Jun-2011 11:36:04] <anotherdaffy> nyeates: yeah, thats what I was trying, but that wasn't working in zendmd

[15-Jun-2011 11:36:10] <anotherdaffy> *nods*

[15-Jun-2011 11:36:20] <rmatte> you'd do something like...

[15-Jun-2011 11:36:25] <rmatte> evt = dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventDetailFromStatusOrHistory(evid)

[15-Jun-2011 11:36:30] <rmatte> where evid is the evid of the event

[15-Jun-2011 11:36:37] <nyeates> cause evt is an object refering to the current event....in zendmd, it has no idea what event to reference...there are thousands of them

[15-Jun-2011 11:36:40] <rmatte> but even that doesn't always work so well, best to just test on the fly

[15-Jun-2011 11:37:45] <rmatte> also, to pull in properties set by traps I like to use getattr like so...

[15-Jun-2011 11:37:46] <rmatte> msgtext = getattr(evt, 'clogHistMsgText', 'Unknown')

[15-Jun-2011 11:37:50] <nyeates> test on the fly - use log.warning("blah")

[15-Jun-2011 11:37:59] <nyeates> and find that output in zenhub.log

[15-Jun-2011 11:38:29] <anotherdaffy> cool

[15-Jun-2011 11:38:34] <anotherdaffy> thanks guys, I'll give this a shot

[15-Jun-2011 11:38:38] <rmatte> yeh, I usually don't bother with log.warning... I just wait and see if the end result event looks at all like I expect it to lol

[15-Jun-2011 11:38:52] <rmatte> and if the transform text turns red when you save it it means you have a syntax error

[15-Jun-2011 11:40:15] <nyeates> insanely complex log debug that i used the other day:

[15-Jun-2011 11:40:20] <anotherdaffy> so, for event correlation, I set evt.component to the evt.ifName, and if I do this in the Clear event, it'll clear away the correct event

[15-Jun-2011 11:40:24] <nyeates> log.warning("\n\

[15-Jun-2011 11:40:25] <nyeates>              DEBUG: /WMI/Status Transform, Severity changed based on count\n\

[15-Jun-2011 11:40:25] <nyeates>              DedupId: %s\n\

[15-Jun-2011 11:40:25] <nyeates>              New event severity: %s" % (mydedupid, evt.severity))

[15-Jun-2011 11:41:42] <anotherdaffy> thanks guys! you've been very helpful

[15-Jun-2011 11:41:50] <froztbyte> nyeates: why not just """ message with newlines textually """ ?

[15-Jun-2011 11:42:03] <froztbyte> instead of all the \n's

[15-Jun-2011 11:42:24] <nyeates> froztbyte: explain....im not familiar

[15-Jun-2011 11:43:04] <froztbyte> nyeates: python strings surrounded with three doublequotes are used as-is

[15-Jun-2011 11:43:20] <nyeates> eeinteresting

[15-Jun-2011 11:43:23] <froztbyte> lemme find the ref

[15-Jun-2011 11:45:51] <froztbyte> meh, can't find the doc link now, but: http://slexy.org/view/s21fceCFa8

[15-Jun-2011 11:47:10] <fragfutter> froztbyte: http://docs.python.org/reference/lexical_analysis.html#literals

[15-Jun-2011 11:47:26] <froztbyte> there we go

[15-Jun-2011 11:47:47] <fragfutter> froztbyte: they are not used as is (raw strings do that). but they keep newlines.

[15-Jun-2011 11:48:11] <froztbyte> yeah, but for the purpose of what he was trying to do, should be fine

[15-Jun-2011 11:48:35] <froztbyte> I think you generally only need raw strings if you need to get around encoding issues or such

[15-Jun-2011 11:48:59] <froztbyte> but then I'm not really a daytime python programmer, so I haven't really hit that many issues with it yet

[15-Jun-2011 11:50:09] <nyeates> but are u a nighttime python prgrammer is the real question

[15-Jun-2011 11:50:22] <froztbyte> only when the moon isn't shining either

[15-Jun-2011 11:50:58] <nyeates> so as not to expose u?

[15-Jun-2011 11:51:54] <nyeates> or because u are such a vampire that even moonlight would burn your pale skin

[15-Jun-2011 11:51:59] <nyeates> kidding btw :-)

[15-Jun-2011 11:52:19] <froztbyte> hehe

[15-Jun-2011 11:53:32] <nyeates> i dont need no stinkin g-nome

[15-Jun-2011 11:53:40] <dhopp1> is the convention in Zenoss for function names to be camelCase or function_name…I can't really tell

[15-Jun-2011 11:53:54] <nyeates> Camel i believe

[15-Jun-2011 11:54:11] <fragfutter> dhopp1: camel. they f** with pep8

[15-Jun-2011 11:56:03] <dhopp1> that's what I thought then I see things like manage_addOrganizer..which seems to be mixing the two

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[15-Jun-2011 12:01:26] <nyeates> We call that under_Camel

[15-Jun-2011 12:01:31] <nyeates> its an innovation

[15-Jun-2011 12:01:39] <nyeates> copyrighted

[15-Jun-2011 12:02:02] <rocket> dhopp: that is a zope2ism

[15-Jun-2011 12:02:04] <dhopp> lol

[15-Jun-2011 12:02:55] <rocket> dhopp: the zope app server required those methods .. as zope has evolved they are not strictly necessary to be named that way .. we just havent dedicated any resources to such a rename ..

[15-Jun-2011 12:07:11] <dhopp> well that sucks…I just did :q! when meant :wq!

[15-Jun-2011 12:08:23] <nyeates> not much u can do to recover from that

[15-Jun-2011 12:08:37] <dhopp> well except redo everything

[15-Jun-2011 12:08:39] <dhopp> heh

[15-Jun-2011 12:08:49] <nyeates> unless u have a keylogger surredtisiously installed

[15-Jun-2011 12:09:00] <dhopp> nyeates:  that I do not

[15-Jun-2011 12:09:11] <nyeates> or maybe your wife does...heh

[15-Jun-2011 12:09:26] <dhopp> nyeates:  or maybe work

[15-Jun-2011 12:09:32] <nyeates> eeek, scary

[15-Jun-2011 12:10:01] <dhopp> nyeates:  I'm sure I would have gotten talked to by now if that was the case..

[15-Jun-2011 12:11:29] <nyeates> ;-)

[15-Jun-2011 12:24:16] <nyeates> http://youtu.be/gFHW3_30LIk

[15-Jun-2011 12:33:08] <rmatte> a bit of atmos music? lol

[15-Jun-2011 12:37:40] <rmatte> here's my contribution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoqXDPbivFs *eargasm*

[15-Jun-2011 12:38:40] <nyeates> nice

[15-Jun-2011 12:39:22] <nyeates> youtube seems to be becoming the free music player of choice

[15-Jun-2011 12:39:29] <rmatte> yeh lol

[15-Jun-2011 12:39:34] <nyeates> seems i can find anything im looking for on it

[15-Jun-2011 12:39:36] <rmatte> though grooveshark is better

[15-Jun-2011 12:40:18] <nyeates> what is its catch?

[15-Jun-2011 12:42:38] <nyeates> i guess that grooveshark is ads based?

[15-Jun-2011 12:42:50] <rmatte> yeh, there's an ad on the right unless you pay

[15-Jun-2011 12:42:57] <rmatte> but it doesn't bother me

[15-Jun-2011 12:43:09] <nyeates> and its legal and whole albums?

[15-Jun-2011 12:43:20] <nyeates> uploaded by users, or organized by grooveshark?

[15-Jun-2011 12:44:38] <rmatte> I'm not sure how the music actually gets in there

[15-Jun-2011 12:44:48] <rmatte> and I'm not sure if it's legal, it's probably not

[15-Jun-2011 12:45:23] <rmatte> but there's really nothing that I haven't been able to find on there

[15-Jun-2011 12:49:22] <froztbyte> some of it is legal, some is just user-submitted

[15-Jun-2011 12:49:40] <rmatte> ah

[15-Jun-2011 12:49:42] <froztbyte> (which may or may not be legal, depending on the content)

[15-Jun-2011 12:49:48] <rmatte> yeh

[15-Jun-2011 12:49:53] <froztbyte> iirc anyway

[15-Jun-2011 13:40:14] <f00fster> anyone know where Hackman238  is ?

[15-Jun-2011 13:40:51] <rmatte> nope, probably either busy with work or off today

[15-Jun-2011 16:09:15] <nate1> Hello

[15-Jun-2011 16:09:51] <nate1> I was wondering if anyone could help with an issue?

[15-Jun-2011 16:17:45] <dhopp> nate1:  just ask your question and if somebody can help they probably will

[15-Jun-2011 16:35:01] <dhopp> bigegor: you there?

[15-Jun-2011 16:35:10] <bigegor> yes

[15-Jun-2011 16:35:36] <dhopp> I have a test system that is running your MsSQL Zenpack.  None of which is the beta version we talked about yesterday

[15-Jun-2011 16:37:22] <dhopp> zenperfsql was still running, but it seems just stopped graphing any data…I restarted zenperfsql and it seems to be working again…any ideas on how I can track down what happened?

[15-Jun-2011 16:38:12] <dhopp> first time I restarted it..it failed with this:

[15-Jun-2011 16:38:13] <dhopp> 2011-06-15 15:34:01,555 ERROR zen.SQLClient: Received error ((2005, "Unknown MySQL server host 'chi-sysmon-db-archive' (1)")) from query: SELECT sum(data_length) as dataSize, sum(index_length) as indexSize, sum( data_length + index_length ) as sizeUsed, table_schema FROM TABLES GROUP BY table_schema

[15-Jun-2011 16:38:13] <dhopp> 2011-06-15 15:34:01,557 INFO zen.zenperfsql: Deleting PID file /opt/zenoss/var/zenperfsql-localhost.pid ...

[15-Jun-2011 16:38:13] <dhopp> 2011-06-15 15:34:01,564 INFO zen.zenperfsql: Daemon CollectorDaemon shutting down

[15-Jun-2011 16:38:13] <dhopp> 2011-06-15 15:34:01,565 ERROR zen.zenperfsql: Maintenance failed: [Failure instance: Traceback (failure with no frames): <class 'twisted.internet.error.ConnectionLost'>: Connection to the other side was lost in a non-clean fashion: Connection lost.

[15-Jun-2011 16:38:13] <dhopp> ]

[15-Jun-2011 16:38:49] <dhopp> I have both MySQL and MsSql zenpacks installed

[15-Jun-2011 16:41:35] <bigegor> try it with new SQLDataSource and servlet/JiveServlet/download/38-3604/ZenPacks.community.ZenODBC-3.90.egg.zip

[15-Jun-2011 16:42:31] <dhopp> do you have any thoughts as to why it would stop graphing?  Now events happened from what I can see

[15-Jun-2011 16:42:46] <bigegor> i've reworked errors processing in new SQLDataSource

[15-Jun-2011 16:43:56] <bigegor> in old SQLDataSource, errors was not correct processed

[15-Jun-2011 16:44:35] <dhopp> gotcha

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[16-Jun-2011 06:59:15] <kotique> can't get it. have setup a filter for alerts, but it still sends out them. Filter is:

[16-Jun-2011 06:59:31] <kotique> Message "doesn't contain"  aaaaa

[16-Jun-2011 06:59:36] <kotique> and  bbbbb

[16-Jun-2011 06:59:43] <kotique> yet still it sends those messages

[16-Jun-2011 07:00:51] <kotique> ouch! i mistook "summary" for "message"

[16-Jun-2011 07:01:11] <kotique> but really, you should do something with all those errors "Problem while executing plugin zenoss.snmp.NewDeviceMap"

[16-Jun-2011 07:01:17] <kotique> AttributeError: ObjectMap instance has no attribute 'snmpOid'

[16-Jun-2011 07:02:32] <froztbyte> ?

[16-Jun-2011 07:07:29] <kotique> thread/14559

[16-Jun-2011 07:55:49] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[16-Jun-2011 09:47:27] <syoma> dear, somebody alive ?

[16-Jun-2011 09:47:42] <rmatte> yes

[16-Jun-2011 09:47:48] <syoma> hi rmatte

[16-Jun-2011 09:48:11] <rmatte> you're the "man on a mission to build a world class SOC" if I remember correctly?

[16-Jun-2011 09:48:28] <syoma> jajajaja affirmative sr

[16-Jun-2011 09:48:56] <rmatte> ok, Zenoss is not a security product

[16-Jun-2011 09:49:01] <syoma> jajajajaja

[16-Jun-2011 09:49:47] <nate1> Good morning all

[16-Jun-2011 09:50:10] <rmatte> also, doing security monitoring with just open source tools won't really get you anywhere... security monitoring is one of those things that the open source community really hasn't done much with in terms of advanced analysis

[16-Jun-2011 09:50:23] <rmatte> the only project I've seen is OSSIM, we did a review of it, and it performed poorly

[16-Jun-2011 09:50:26] <nate1> I have tried adding several devices recently (Windows Servers) and in the events logs (using Zenoss Core), there are these messages:

[16-Jun-2011 09:50:37] <nate1>                       Could not read the Windows event log (NT_STATUS_IO_TIMEOUT). Check your             username/password settings and verify network connectivity.

[16-Jun-2011 09:50:49] <nate1> and Could not read the Windows event log (NT_STATUS_TOO_MANY_OPENED_FILES). Check your             username/password settings and verify network connectivity.

[16-Jun-2011 09:51:01] <nate1> Does anyone have an idea I can work around these issues?

[16-Jun-2011 09:51:21] <syoma> I use zenoss in the performance layer..

[16-Jun-2011 09:51:22] <rmatte> nate1: well, are you specifically trying to monitor the event log

[16-Jun-2011 09:51:28] <rmatte> or are you wondering why you're seeing the messages?

[16-Jun-2011 09:51:34] <nate1> the latter

[16-Jun-2011 09:51:41] <nate1> I may want to monitor event logs eventually

[16-Jun-2011 09:52:02] <syoma> OSSIM, is a siem product.. I've work with sentinel from novell

[16-Jun-2011 09:52:09] <nate1> I am mainly interested in finding out how to get around the error:)

[16-Jun-2011 09:52:12] <rmatte> you have zWinEventlog set to "True" for that class

[16-Jun-2011 09:52:20] <uniplexed> hi there

[16-Jun-2011 09:52:26] <rmatte> yet the zWinUser and zWinPassword specified are not sufficient to gather eventlog data

[16-Jun-2011 09:52:34] <nate1> ok

[16-Jun-2011 09:52:34] <rmatte> (probably don't have access)

[16-Jun-2011 09:52:45] <rmatte> set zWinEventlog to false and those errors will dissapear

[16-Jun-2011 09:52:48] <nate1> I do for other servers connected to zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 09:52:49] <rmatte> set it to false for the actual class

[16-Jun-2011 09:52:57] <syoma> I created pre-tickets with OSSIM

[16-Jun-2011 09:53:32] <syoma> Alerts IDS / IPS, checkpoint

[16-Jun-2011 09:53:32] <rmatte> syoma: I'm just saying that from an open source perspective, we're not going to be very helpful to you in here in terms of SOC info

[16-Jun-2011 09:53:37] <nate1> That will make it where I cannot gather evwent logs?

[16-Jun-2011 09:53:39] <rmatte> this is mostly a NOC crowd in here

[16-Jun-2011 09:54:13] <rmatte> nate1: Yes, you have two choices, you can either disable the monitoring of event logs, or fix whatever is wrong with the username/password

[16-Jun-2011 09:54:16] <nate1> so, not on the device itself

[16-Jun-2011 09:54:22] <rmatte> perhaps the actual services on the server aren't configured correctly

[16-Jun-2011 09:54:30] <rmatte> you can set it to False on the device itself if you want too

[16-Jun-2011 09:54:31] <nate1> but find the class... (/server/windows/) and set it to false?

[16-Jun-2011 09:54:49] <nate1> any idea what could be wrong with the username and password?

[16-Jun-2011 09:54:59] <rmatte> not without looking at the server

[16-Jun-2011 09:55:05] <nate1> hrm

[16-Jun-2011 09:55:10] <nate1> would it be domain rights?

[16-Jun-2011 09:55:11] <rmatte> does the username and password have sufficient access?

[16-Jun-2011 09:55:17] <nate1> I am a domain administrator

[16-Jun-2011 09:55:19] <nate1> so I should

[16-Jun-2011 09:55:20] <rmatte> I mean, easiest way is to just make it an administrator on that box

[16-Jun-2011 09:55:25] <rmatte> I see

[16-Jun-2011 09:55:43] <rmatte> I forget what protocol it uses to collect the eventlog info

[16-Jun-2011 09:55:52] <rmatte> I don't think it's WMI

[16-Jun-2011 09:56:29] uniplexed is now known as glorca

[16-Jun-2011 09:56:55] <rmatte> aha, it does use WMI apparently

[16-Jun-2011 09:56:57] glorca is now known as geele

[16-Jun-2011 09:57:00] <geele> hi syoma

[16-Jun-2011 09:57:09] <rmatte> so make sure the WMI service is properly configured on that server to allow that user to access it

[16-Jun-2011 09:57:11] <syoma> (:

[16-Jun-2011 09:57:29] <nate1> ah...

[16-Jun-2011 09:57:30] <nate1> yeah

[16-Jun-2011 09:57:39] <nate1> the events are status/wmi

[16-Jun-2011 09:57:45] <nate1> I have never configured WMI yet

[16-Jun-2011 09:57:55] <nate1> is that a server specific setting?

[16-Jun-2011 09:58:04] <rmatte> yes it is

[16-Jun-2011 09:58:24] <rmatte> I personally recommend using a mix of SNMP and WMI to monitor windows servers...

[16-Jun-2011 09:58:34] <rmatte> we've tried all WMI monitoring before and it's nothing but problems

[16-Jun-2011 09:58:41] <rmatte> so now we use it in a very targetted fashion

[16-Jun-2011 09:58:48] <nate1> I have SNMP enabled on the server

[16-Jun-2011 09:58:51] <rmatte> k

[16-Jun-2011 09:58:57] <nate1> and I thought that was what i was primarily usiong

[16-Jun-2011 09:59:03] <nate1> I wasn't sure why I was getting WMI errors

[16-Jun-2011 09:59:05] <rmatte> the SNMP daemon on windows will trap back critical event log messages anyways

[16-Jun-2011 09:59:13] <nate1> ok

[16-Jun-2011 09:59:14] <rmatte> so you can probably just do without the WMI

[16-Jun-2011 09:59:25] <rmatte> you'll need to find and install Microsoft's trap Mibs though

[16-Jun-2011 09:59:26] <nate1> yeah

[16-Jun-2011 09:59:31] <nate1> at the top, it says the device status is up

[16-Jun-2011 09:59:41] <rmatte> that's just based on ping really

[16-Jun-2011 09:59:47] <rmatte> (the status)

[16-Jun-2011 10:00:03] <nate1> so, zWinEventLog = false

[16-Jun-2011 10:00:17] <nate1> should stop showing those errors

[16-Jun-2011 10:02:08] <nate1> but it still does. meh

[16-Jun-2011 10:02:31] <nate1> well, maybe that was a reisudal error. will give it a little bit

[16-Jun-2011 10:03:11] <nate1> I may need to monitor such criters as ftp connections, memory usage, etc... could that be done with SNMP?

[16-Jun-2011 10:03:40] <rmatte> nate1: ftp connections is entirely dependant on how that gets exposed

[16-Jun-2011 10:03:50] <rmatte> you can monitor CPU and Memory usage via SNMP, yes

[16-Jun-2011 10:03:59] <nate1> that is what I thought

[16-Jun-2011 10:04:08] <nate1> I have monitored those before

[16-Jun-2011 10:04:12] <nate1> not somehing like ftp though

[16-Jun-2011 10:04:26] <nate1> we are trying to track down FTP issues on a server

[16-Jun-2011 10:04:32] <nate1> and were wanting to set up some testing criteria

[16-Jun-2011 10:04:37] <rmatte> you can monitor the ftp as a service via the port

[16-Jun-2011 10:04:44] <rmatte> but as far as monitoring the actual number of connections

[16-Jun-2011 10:04:57] <rmatte> you may be using ftp software that doesn't expose that sort of thing

[16-Jun-2011 10:05:03] <nate1> ok

[16-Jun-2011 10:05:19] <nate1> I will find the metrics they want to check first and then see what I can figure out:)

[16-Jun-2011 10:05:40] <nate1> same errors popped back up... also an snmp agent down error

[16-Jun-2011 10:05:41] <nate1>

[16-Jun-2011 10:05:56] <Simon4> hmm, anyone remember where to set the default rrd create command in 3.1?

[16-Jun-2011 10:05:59] * Simon4 seems to have lost it

[16-Jun-2011 10:06:50] <nate1> looking at the server, the snmp agent appears to be running

[16-Jun-2011 10:09:26] <geele> hi there

[16-Jun-2011 10:09:53] <geele> there is any way to export devices only instead of a full backup?

[16-Jun-2011 10:09:58] <geele> in zenoss 2.5.x

[16-Jun-2011 10:10:21] <geele> we've got custom templates

[16-Jun-2011 10:16:00] <nate1> just noticed something...

[16-Jun-2011 10:16:14] <nate1> the box that zenoss is on is pinging out the memory

[16-Jun-2011 10:16:33] <nate1> can't even run an snmp walk becasue it can't allocate memory

[16-Jun-2011 10:16:33] <nate1> :-p

[16-Jun-2011 10:16:45] <nate1> that might be the source of some of the weirder problems

[16-Jun-2011 10:17:02] <nate1> or could it?

[16-Jun-2011 10:19:06] <nate1> looks like the zeneventlogs are taking up about 70% of the memory

[16-Jun-2011 10:19:25] <jmp242> Good morning all

[16-Jun-2011 10:22:22] <Hackman238> jmp242: Hello

[16-Jun-2011 10:22:31] <Hackman238> jmp242: How goes the war?

[16-Jun-2011 10:22:49] <jmp242> Not bad

[16-Jun-2011 10:22:58] <jmp242> I've got nTop working somewhat well

[16-Jun-2011 10:23:13] <jmp242> waiting on the networking person to set up my test nprobe install

[16-Jun-2011 10:23:17] <Hackman238> jmp242: nice

[16-Jun-2011 10:23:29] <jmp242> yea, so the thing that came up here recently was OSSEC

[16-Jun-2011 10:23:37] <jmp242> which lead me to thinking about SIEMs

[16-Jun-2011 10:23:52] <jmp242> and I'm not sure if I can get by faking it by putting my logs etc into Zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 10:24:01] <jmp242> or if I ought to consider setting up OSSIM or something like that

[16-Jun-2011 10:24:18] <jmp242> I worry about killing Zenoss with too much log data lol

[16-Jun-2011 10:24:38] <jmp242> but I have no knowledge about other SIEMs like Prelude etc

[16-Jun-2011 10:24:59] <Hackman238> jmp242: I cant say I do either, sorry

[16-Jun-2011 10:25:11] <jmp242> Oh well, worth a try lol

[16-Jun-2011 10:25:28] <tsener> hi

[16-Jun-2011 10:29:45] <Hackman238> Anyone else have input SIEMs like Prelude?

[16-Jun-2011 10:29:48] <Hackman238> tsener: Hello

[16-Jun-2011 10:34:50] <tsener> anyone monitoring Extreme summit switches with zenoss Core ?

[16-Jun-2011 10:36:54] <Hackman238> tsener: Nein, sorry.

[16-Jun-2011 10:38:28] <tsener> pity

[16-Jun-2011 10:38:36] <tsener> 10x though

[16-Jun-2011 10:40:48] <syoma> tsener: I monitoring extreme switches

[16-Jun-2011 10:43:53] <jmp242> Well, I think I'm going to try playing with OSSIM as a SIEM . . . seems to talk to snort, ntop, openVAS - all things I'm currently using in some capacity

[16-Jun-2011 10:45:03] <Hackman238> jmp242: cool. update us if you make any discoveries news worthy :-)

[16-Jun-2011 10:46:02] <jmp242> sure

[16-Jun-2011 10:46:18] <syoma> several of the correlation engine features do not work in OSSIM

[16-Jun-2011 10:46:54] <syoma> at least in the free version

[16-Jun-2011 10:50:12] <tsener> syoma: privmsg ?

[16-Jun-2011 10:52:26] <jmp242> oh

[16-Jun-2011 10:52:39] <syoma> do you speak spanish my english is not very good but let's see if I can help

[16-Jun-2011 10:53:10] <nyeates> your english in that last sentance was near perfect

[16-Jun-2011 10:53:33] <Hackman238> syoma: the extent of my spanish knowledge was learnt from a taking dog mascot.

[16-Jun-2011 10:54:30] <Hackman238> nyeates: Have you a chance to update the zenpacks page?

[16-Jun-2011 10:54:47] <rmatte> Hackman238: talking dog mascott, hahahaha

[16-Jun-2011 10:54:48] * nyeates wonders which mascot

[16-Jun-2011 10:55:31] <Hackman238> rmatte: I figured that would put a smile on everyones face

[16-Jun-2011 10:55:55] <dec3pti01> hmm 3.1 still doesn't seem to be able to see my fiber connections as 10g .. still 1g speeds

[16-Jun-2011 10:56:10] <nyeates> Hackman238: I planned to allocate some time today to processing new and updated ZPs.... looking for yours, or something in particular?

[16-Jun-2011 10:57:19] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: if you walk the device, whats the speed int is returned for that int?

[16-Jun-2011 10:57:49] <Hackman238> nyeates: Mine in particular.

[16-Jun-2011 10:58:17] <Hackman238> nyeates: No sweat if no time today, just remembered it out of the blue

[16-Jun-2011 10:58:42] <nyeates> no its good for you to bug me about it. Keep doing it :-)

[16-Jun-2011 10:59:05] <Hackman238> nyeates: LOL

[16-Jun-2011 10:59:11] <nyeates> Theyve got me stretched in so many ways here - hard to keep everything in check

[16-Jun-2011 10:59:43] <Hackman238> nyeates: I'm the same way- sometimes people need to re-req items during certai periods

[16-Jun-2011 11:00:01] <nyeates> whoever yells loudest ;-)

[16-Jun-2011 11:00:18] <nyeates> tho that isnt true....there are priorities

[16-Jun-2011 11:00:26] <nyeates> but yelling helps

[16-Jun-2011 11:00:52] <Hackman238> nyeates: I understand your queueing method- 'bout the same here.

[16-Jun-2011 11:00:58] <Hackman238>

[16-Jun-2011 11:01:15] <nyeates> i followed up with Bill yesterday, they are planning out a communication about core plans, etc

[16-Jun-2011 11:02:27] <nyeates> Sounds like they are making headway

[16-Jun-2011 11:02:27] <Hackman238> nyeates: Very cool.

[16-Jun-2011 11:03:05] <Hackman238> nyeates: I've started looking through the avalon code- I can see why core could be delayed. Many ent features are just coded right in.

[16-Jun-2011 11:04:45] <Hackman238> nyeates: Reassures me significantly to be able to qualify the excuse as true. Know what I mean?

[16-Jun-2011 11:05:44] <dec3pti01> Hackman238: IF-MIB::ifSpeed.3 = Gauge32: 1000000000

[16-Jun-2011 11:06:00] <dec3pti01> Hackman238: I believe that is it

[16-Jun-2011 11:06:25] <dec3pti01> yeah that's it

[16-Jun-2011 11:06:29] <nyeates> yeah we have to figure out how to reconcile enterprise features that are coded in core components of the code

[16-Jun-2011 11:07:28] <dec3pti01> I thought it should use a Gauge64 since it's using ethernetCsmacd_64 or am I wrong on that

[16-Jun-2011 11:07:38] <Hackman238> nyeates: Not that Zenoss would lie to people, but when the subject of a statement cannot be validated by said statments audience since said audiance has no access to said subject, the excuser is often at exception to exaggurate.

[16-Jun-2011 11:08:06] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: The modeller should set the speed, not the template

[16-Jun-2011 11:08:29] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: try a zenmodeller run now -v10 -d 'your device'

[16-Jun-2011 11:08:57] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: Once its done, look at zenoss and see if its fixed. If not, look at the output from the model and we'll work from there.

[16-Jun-2011 11:09:41] <dec3pti01> does it matter that snmp is actually showing it as "IF-MIB::ifType.3 = INTEGER: gigabitEthernet(117)"

[16-Jun-2011 11:10:10] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: The interface type shouldnt matter

[16-Jun-2011 11:10:20] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: at least not in my experience.

[16-Jun-2011 11:10:49] <dec3pti01> ok let me try to re-model it

[16-Jun-2011 11:11:13] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: Alrighty

[16-Jun-2011 11:12:05] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: Just FYI, we have this problem all the time here...often hundreds of interfaces fail to model their speed right when modelled automagically but work when done manually

[16-Jun-2011 11:12:57] <dec3pti01> still the same

[16-Jun-2011 11:15:06] <nyeates> weird that "auto" model vs manual model would give different results....i *believe* its all the same base code

[16-Jun-2011 11:15:48] <Hackman238> nyeates: My thoughts exactly

[16-Jun-2011 11:15:55] <Hackman238> nyeates: But we still observe it.

[16-Jun-2011 11:16:21] <Hackman238> nyeates: No idea why at all. I became sick of trying to fix it so I just batch model problem devices.

[16-Jun-2011 11:16:32] <Hackman238> nyeates: No big deal.

[16-Jun-2011 11:16:57] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: Hum. Okay, can please post output from zenmodeller -v10?

[16-Jun-2011 11:17:09] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: In a pastebin or something, not in the forum

[16-Jun-2011 11:23:18] <dec3pti01> Hackman238: is there something specific on that output you are looking for ? to many lines on it

[16-Jun-2011 11:24:27] <dec3pti01> Hackman238: perhaps just the  Plugin zenoss.snmp.InterfaceMap results  ?

[16-Jun-2011 11:30:17] <rmatte> dec3pti01: too many lines?  increase the line buffer length in your client

[16-Jun-2011 11:30:35] <rmatte> dec3pti01: and there's never anything specific to look for, you browse through until you see errors

[16-Jun-2011 11:30:44] <rmatte> after a while you get good at doing it quickly

[16-Jun-2011 11:31:28] <rmatte> If you can manage to pastebin it we can probably scope out the errors in no time

[16-Jun-2011 11:31:50] <rmatte> another thing you could do is redirect the output to a file then download the file

[16-Jun-2011 11:32:27] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: Yep.

[16-Jun-2011 11:33:00] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: As rmatte says, one learns the skill of reading very fast whilst leanring to debug Zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 11:33:09] <rmatte> zenmodeler run -v10 > blah.txt 2>&1

[16-Jun-2011 11:35:18] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: do a zenmodeler run now -d 'your device' -v10 > blah.txt 2>&1

[16-Jun-2011 11:35:32] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: that way is only results from the device in question

[16-Jun-2011 11:37:22] <dec3pti01> ok cool give me a sec .. solving another issues non-zenoss related

[16-Jun-2011 11:39:59] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: Aye- same here. Out of coffee. BRB

[16-Jun-2011 11:41:12] <nyeates> ah the issue of no coffee

[16-Jun-2011 11:41:18] <nyeates> glad i dont have that one ever

[16-Jun-2011 11:41:36] <nyeates> more the issue of not enough sleep

[16-Jun-2011 11:52:39] <Hackman238> nyeates: bah- sleep is over rate. The elixer of the gods (coffee) solves all.

[16-Jun-2011 11:53:57] <rocket> if only I could get past the taste ...

[16-Jun-2011 11:55:00] <Hackman238> rocket: on not..not you too rocket. Another coffee hater- man! LOL

[16-Jun-2011 11:56:27] <dec3pti01> http://pastebin.com/BNYFSHRp

[16-Jun-2011 11:56:59] <rocket> thats why I live up north .. most of the time I open a door and it wakes me up ..

[16-Jun-2011 11:57:06] <nyeates> hah

[16-Jun-2011 11:57:31] <f00fster> Hackman238, yee tell lies of the elixer

[16-Jun-2011 11:57:44] * f00fster runs to grab a cup of the darkest roast joee he can find

[16-Jun-2011 11:57:45] <f00fster> BRB!

[16-Jun-2011 11:58:08] <nyeates> ive seen studies going both ways about coffee...they used to say too much is bad bad bad....now they say 1-2 cups a day prevents all kinds of illnesses

[16-Jun-2011 11:58:35] <Hackman238> rocket: Ah gotcha. Where you at?

[16-Jun-2011 11:59:04] <rocket> Mn

[16-Jun-2011 11:59:05] <Hackman238> nyeates: too much of anything is bad really.

[16-Jun-2011 11:59:32] <Hackman238> rocket: Nice. I just moved to TX from NY and I'm still adjusting to the million degree weather...

[16-Jun-2011 11:59:56] <Hackman238> f00fster: ?

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[16-Jun-2011 12:00:40] <rocket> its 59 right now with my windows open .. high of 75 today ..

[16-Jun-2011 12:00:45] <rocket> it feels perfect ...

[16-Jun-2011 12:00:53] <Hackman238> rocket: Good temp.

[16-Jun-2011 12:01:28] <Hackman238> rocket: have not looked at weather but can safely say its 100F +-3F and feels sh!tty

[16-Jun-2011 12:02:49] <rocket>

[16-Jun-2011 12:04:13] <Hackman238> rocket: Though the weather in San Diego is awesome. Wish Rackspace was there instead of this place! LOL

[16-Jun-2011 12:05:11] <Hackman238> rocket: Here in TX if I leave anything plastic in my car for the duration of the work day it comes out looking like it were designed for a fun house exhibit

[16-Jun-2011 12:05:30] <dec3pti01> hehe isn't SA awesome

[16-Jun-2011 12:07:23] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: Has its ups but the sand and heat...man IDK how people put up with the sand and the heat. LOL

[16-Jun-2011 12:08:18] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: I live around 3010 W 1604 N, and damn- everytime I go to do maint. on my servers I find crazy dust thats like silt.

[16-Jun-2011 12:09:33] <froztbyte> what's that notation?

[16-Jun-2011 12:09:59] <froztbyte> area / coords / blocks /... ?

[16-Jun-2011 12:10:10] <Hackman238> froztbyte: I dont understand

[16-Jun-2011 12:10:40] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Oh... its loop 3010 W on Rd 1604 N

[16-Jun-2011 12:10:52] <Hackman238> froztbyte: ...the schema out here is not good.

[16-Jun-2011 12:11:04] <dec3pti01> Hackman238: yeah I have fans during summer time + a/c otherwise drive failures never had that problem in south florida and it was hot there too

[16-Jun-2011 12:11:05] <Hackman238> froztbyte: Especially when one is used to grid (blocks/ave)

[16-Jun-2011 12:11:24] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: My damn car solar panel melted here in SA!

[16-Jun-2011 12:11:55] <Hackman238> dec3pti01: Which int is the one in question?

[16-Jun-2011 12:21:59] <rocket> I always feel dirty when visiting Tx or Az ..

[16-Jun-2011 12:23:04] <Hackman238> rocket: LOL

[16-Jun-2011 12:29:01] <dhopp> Hackman238: the problem with San Diego is where it's located…if it wasn't in California, but still had the same weather it would be awesome

[16-Jun-2011 12:29:51] <Hackman238> dhopp: Aye- red tape in CA is nuts.

[16-Jun-2011 12:30:47] <Hackman238> dhopp: its worse than NY....they NY blatently steals money from tax payers and illegally modifies citizens criminal records anon.!

[16-Jun-2011 12:31:57] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I've been to CA only a few times..but I know that if I lived there I would probably snap and you would see me on the news...

[16-Jun-2011 12:32:41] <dhopp> Hackman238:  San Diego wasn't as bad as LA..but I didn't have a car in San Diego :-)

[16-Jun-2011 12:32:48] <dhopp> anyway..lunch tim

[16-Jun-2011 12:32:49] <dhopp> time

[16-Jun-2011 12:33:04] <Hackman238> dhopp: "Crazed sys admin bludggerns senator to death with bag full of broken SCSI disks"

[16-Jun-2011 12:33:21] <dhopp> LOL

[16-Jun-2011 12:34:15] <Hackman238> dhopp: "He had it coming! To h3ll with CA's electronic disposal fees!"

[16-Jun-2011 12:36:09] <nyeates> ok, im going to expose my lack of networking knowledge here

[16-Jun-2011 12:36:25] <Hackman238> nyeates: NIC = Network Interface Card

[16-Jun-2011 12:36:36] <nyeates> but do interfaces, say on a router, not only have IPs but can they also have names?

[16-Jun-2011 12:36:38] <Hackman238> nyeates: Just messing with ya

[16-Jun-2011 12:36:47] <nyeates> and are these names like DNS names?

[16-Jun-2011 12:36:49] <nyeates> :-)

[16-Jun-2011 12:37:14] <Hackman238> nyeates: They can be named on the device, but the device does not handle DNS or hostnames- thats differnt

[16-Jun-2011 12:38:04] <Hackman238> nyeates: E.x. on my router, eth4 is a WAN port. Its named eth4, but I cannot resolve eth4 unless I added eth4 to my local zone

[16-Jun-2011 12:38:19] <nyeates> got an instance where a guy is saying that named interfaces are stopping him from making a new device with the same name

[16-Jun-2011 12:38:46] <Hackman238> nyeates: Ah- he's got a device that isnt in the catalog probably

[16-Jun-2011 12:38:51] <nyeates> im wondering if this is legit logic...aka, we should be enforcing this - just like we do with not allowing multiple IPs of the same #

[16-Jun-2011 12:39:01] <Hackman238> nyeates: Cant see it in the UI, but zenoss sees it during addition

[16-Jun-2011 12:39:37] <Hackman238> nyeates: You can have any number of interfaces with the same name.

[16-Jun-2011 12:39:51] <Hackman238> nyeates: the reason is that their all children on a device.

[16-Jun-2011 12:40:16] <Hackman238> nyeates: so the names are unique to the device even if they are used in several devices.

[16-Jun-2011 12:42:12] <nyeates> INFO zen.BatchDeviceLoader: Creating device dunc-3750-1.blah.edu

[16-Jun-2011 12:42:12] <nyeates> INFO zen.DeviceLoader: Ip 10.3.1.74 exists on dunc-new-2.blah.edu

[16-Jun-2011 12:42:12] <nyeates> ERROR zen.DeviceLoader: Unable to add the device dunc-3750-1.blah.edu

[16-Jun-2011 12:42:58] <Hackman238> nyeates: oh- that device already exists

[16-Jun-2011 12:43:10] <Hackman238> nyeates: Hes trying to monitor the same device using two differnt ips

[16-Jun-2011 12:43:16] <Hackman238> nyeates: Not allowed.

[16-Jun-2011 12:43:35] <Hackman238> nyeates: In some cases of IP and zenoss misfortune it can happen by accident.

[16-Jun-2011 12:44:13] <Hackman238> nyeates: To fix that he will need to go to the device which claims to own said ip, remove the interface claiming the ip, readd the other device, model it, remodel the device from where the ip was removed

[16-Jun-2011 12:45:01] <Hackman238> nyeates: Can you find out what the manageIp is for each device?

[16-Jun-2011 12:45:08] <nyeates> so he has an illegal IP clash basically?

[16-Jun-2011 12:45:27] <Hackman238> nyeates: Its either that or hes trying to watch the same device from two interfaces on the same device

[16-Jun-2011 12:45:48] <Hackman238> nyeates: E.x. monitor a router from the WAN port and a LAN port will result in such problem

[16-Jun-2011 12:46:03] <Hackman238> nyeates: Cause its the same device- it owns both IP's already

[16-Jun-2011 12:46:34] <Hackman238> nyeates: In cases of devices with VIP's, he should not monitor VIP's because it'll cause this issue

[16-Jun-2011 12:46:59] <Hackman238> nyeates: never monitor VIPs unless you dont intend on adding all VIP members

[16-Jun-2011 12:47:10] <nyeates> I think i follow...i dont think its VIP related

[16-Jun-2011 12:47:50] <Hackman238> nyeates: Alrighty.

[16-Jun-2011 12:48:05] <nyeates> Thanks u

[16-Jun-2011 12:48:05] <Hackman238> nyeates: Can ask him if these are indeed two seperate devices?

[16-Jun-2011 12:48:26] <Hackman238> nyeates: NP

[16-Jun-2011 12:57:33] <nyeates> for background, the reason this was coming up was in ZenBatchLoad

[16-Jun-2011 12:57:59] <nyeates> ZenBatchLoad would actually fail when this happende and traceback and process no more of the other devices inthe batch

[16-Jun-2011 12:58:54] <Hackman238> nyeates: Yep

[16-Jun-2011 12:58:54] <nyeates> i found a logic bug in our code and fixed ZenBatchLoad to skip that device (like it should), and to continue on to the next batch item

[16-Jun-2011 12:59:38] <nyeates> so anyone using zenbatchload, keep that in mind

[16-Jun-2011 13:00:25] <rocket> nick post the fix on the forums

[16-Jun-2011 13:00:40] <nyeates> this is a good idea

[16-Jun-2011 13:05:07] <Hackman238> nyeates: *face palm* why didnt I think of that?

[16-Jun-2011 13:05:10] <Hackman238> LOL

[16-Jun-2011 13:06:50] <rocket> Hackman238: think of what?

[16-Jun-2011 13:06:57] <Hackman238> rocket: post in forum

[16-Jun-2011 13:07:14] <nyeates> a guy here has one of the inspirational posters of picard from star trek doing the face palm

[16-Jun-2011 13:07:21] <nyeates> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://demotivate.me/mediafiles/full/4162010103911AM_picard-no-facepalm.jpg&imgrefurl=http://demotivate.me/media/demotivational-posters-facepalm&h=600&w=750&sz=61&tbnid=igUy28h6ZWQUwM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=113&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dstar%2Btrek%2Bfacepalm%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=star+trek+facepalm&usg=__T5cxo4HSCKD6lL2900Hubbj8e6g=&sa=X&ei=-jf6TZelDcrj0QGMhuSfAw&ved=0CCAQ9QEwAg&dur=1243

[16-Jun-2011 13:07:26] <nyeates> wow that link was long

[16-Jun-2011 13:14:24] <bigegor> hi all

[16-Jun-2011 13:45:31] <nyeates> Hi Egor

[16-Jun-2011 13:45:43] <nyeates> ... 30 minutes later :-)

[16-Jun-2011 13:47:41] <bigegor>

[16-Jun-2011 13:53:28] <Hackman238> http://beta.news.yahoo.com/cia-website-goes-down-hackers-claim-responsibility-002426685.html

[16-Jun-2011 13:57:02] <nyeates> lulz sec

[16-Jun-2011 13:57:06] <nyeates> who are they

[16-Jun-2011 13:57:51] <Hackman238> nyeates: They're in it for the lulz.

[16-Jun-2011 13:57:56] <Hackman238> nyeates: Hacker group.

[16-Jun-2011 13:58:16] <nyeates> yeah - i wonder if now that the CIA is on their tales, if they will get caught

[16-Jun-2011 13:58:27] <Hackman238> nyeates: doubt it

[16-Jun-2011 13:59:05] <nyeates> u think there is enough anonymization methods out there to protect them?

[16-Jun-2011 13:59:16] <Hackman238> nyeates: They'll arbitrarily pick a scape goat like they do for most items.

[16-Jun-2011 13:59:45] <Hackman238> nyeates: Probably call up someone to have a record fabricated....just like NY was doing.

[16-Jun-2011 14:00:31] <Hackman238> nyeates: One knows theres no control anymore once such things happen.

[16-Jun-2011 14:02:10] <Hackman238> nyeates: And yes- theres no way to link a pc to an owner if you use a rebuilt item, cost cash on open or hacked WEP wifi.

[16-Jun-2011 14:02:50] <Hackman238> nyeates: I'm not a hacker, but I can see it being feasible to become a hard enough target to track to make it not worth the while.

[16-Jun-2011 14:03:25] <jmp242> Not only using open WiFi

[16-Jun-2011 14:04:06] <nyeates> this is true, had not thought of that

[16-Jun-2011 14:04:08] <jmp242> take something like anonyprox to route via 2 OpenVPN tunnels to different jurisdictions that exits via a NATed node in, say, Malasia

[16-Jun-2011 14:04:18] <jmp242> and run I2P over that to their outproxy

[16-Jun-2011 14:04:23] <jmp242> fricken good luck IMO

[16-Jun-2011 14:04:30] <Hackman238> jmp242: If one scavanges a device to perform attacks on open wifi in residential areas with no cameras theres limited means to link the device to the person.

[16-Jun-2011 14:04:45] <bigegor> "<Hackman238> nyeates: I'm not a hacker"

[16-Jun-2011 14:04:46] <jmp242> And if you used a Backtrack bootable CD on a netbook

[16-Jun-2011 14:04:57] <jmp242> and when you're done toss the netbook in a lake

[16-Jun-2011 14:04:59] <jmp242> yeah...

[16-Jun-2011 14:05:03] <Hackman238> bigegor: Not anymore I should say

[16-Jun-2011 14:05:35] <jmp242> The above is a bit like the bit in Sneakers, but worse as like Hackman238 says

[16-Jun-2011 14:05:41] <nyeates> ive so learned that cracker=bad hacker=good

[16-Jun-2011 14:06:04] <jmp242> no physical links to you. But hey, it's pretty unlikely with multi-hop multiplexed traffic they could even get back to the same country

[16-Jun-2011 14:06:06] <Hackman238> nyeates: The CIA will poit at some random guy and hiss to make an example and keep people fearful of them. They cant catch everyone, but they do need to seem like they can.

[16-Jun-2011 14:06:22] <jmp242> That said, I would *NEVER* mess with a TLA

[16-Jun-2011 14:06:32] <jmp242> just not worth it in any way IMO

[16-Jun-2011 14:06:41] <Hackman238> jmp242: Agreed- the loggs will be gone before they even look

[16-Jun-2011 14:06:44] <jmp242> and I'm not a hacker

[16-Jun-2011 14:06:55] <nyeates> :-)

[16-Jun-2011 14:07:14] <Hackman238> jmp242: Who is TLA?

[16-Jun-2011 14:07:21] <jmp242> Three Letter Agency

[16-Jun-2011 14:07:52] <jmp242> The biggest vector for a person getting caught is usually bragging after the fact (or during I suppose)

[16-Jun-2011 14:08:02] <Hackman238> jmp242: Oh- well OFT is a TLA and they're a bunch of morons guilty of robbing the public and criminal fraud

[16-Jun-2011 14:08:21] <jmp242> The real threats are the people who keep their mouths shut and you never never knew they were there

[16-Jun-2011 14:08:31] <Hackman238> jmp242: Agreed.

[16-Jun-2011 14:08:55] <Hackman238> jmp242: *cough* jekyll island meeting

[16-Jun-2011 14:09:11] <bigegor> i think with modern GPU based password brutforce. passwords are not secure any longer.

[16-Jun-2011 14:09:27] <jmp242> depends

[16-Jun-2011 14:09:31] <Hackman238> bigegor: must rate limit attempts to limit GPU attack

[16-Jun-2011 14:09:44] <Hackman238> bigegor: 3 strikes and your out!

[16-Jun-2011 14:09:47] <Hackman238>

[16-Jun-2011 14:09:49] <jmp242> if you can get the hashes then sure

[16-Jun-2011 14:10:25] * dhopp really doesn't want to do any work

[16-Jun-2011 14:10:57] <bigegor> here some info and rates: http://mytechencounters.wordpress.com/2011/04/03/gpu-password-cracking-crack-a-windows-password-using-a-graphic-card/

[16-Jun-2011 14:11:05] <Hackman238> * dhopp fills bag from earlier quote with several SCSI disks...

[16-Jun-2011 14:11:09] <nyeates> "It's all lulz and games until the government uses these attacks? to tighten internet control laws."

[16-Jun-2011 14:11:15] <dhopp> Hackman238:  lol

[16-Jun-2011 14:11:34] <dhopp> Hackman238:  it's like 75 degrees and sunny outside...

[16-Jun-2011 14:11:45] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I'm not sure it's gets more perfect then that

[16-Jun-2011 14:11:56] <Hackman238> nyeates: Aye- they key is if you have nothing to hide then the govt can do little legitimate damage. They can arbitrarily blame anyone regardless of security.

[16-Jun-2011 14:12:07] <nyeates> Hackman238: did you get any chance to check out chets openstack stuff yet?

[16-Jun-2011 14:12:51] <Hackman238> nyeates: I havent- I've been booked up. Im nearing it on the todo list

[16-Jun-2011 14:12:57] <nyeates> ive wanted to, but not had a chance

[16-Jun-2011 14:13:18] <Hackman238> nyeates: Agreed.

[16-Jun-2011 14:13:34] * nyeates has 4 different todo lists....i wish i was more methodical on getting down them all

[16-Jun-2011 14:14:03] <Hackman238> bigegor: Yep. I was just thinking today.....why not make an opensource router OS to run on x86 that uses GPU for packet switching like ASIC.

[16-Jun-2011 14:14:38] <Hackman238> nyeates: Yikes. Hard to keep parallel priorities straight with >1 list

[16-Jun-2011 14:15:00] <bigegor> i think packet switching don't need mutch processor power,

[16-Jun-2011 14:15:31] <Hackman238> bigegor: In small setups, yes, taking to compete with 65XX and ASR class devices

[16-Jun-2011 14:15:42] <Hackman238> bigegor: Very doable very cheap.

[16-Jun-2011 14:16:12] <Hackman238> bigegor: I'd just hate to have Cisco plant a sniper outside my home if such a product was competative so inexpensively

[16-Jun-2011 14:16:25] <nyeates> one is for work (community stuff), one is for various long-term personal stuff, another is for various short-term personal stuff...and forth is "write it on my hand" as in...do this today or else

[16-Jun-2011 14:17:12] <Hackman238> nyeates: Ultimatum list sounds scarey- cant say I have an analog. No realtime priorities. :-)

[16-Jun-2011 14:17:13] <bigegor> memory access speed can be a problem

[16-Jun-2011 14:17:25] <Hackman238> bigegor: GPU memory is pretty fast.

[16-Jun-2011 14:18:04] <Hackman238> bigegor: Was just an off the top idea I had earlier while waiting for my coffee machine to decide to start brewing....think microcontroller is broke since it acts goofy.

[16-Jun-2011 14:19:11] <nyeates> so GPU mem is considerably faster than standard mobo-based RAM? i didnt know this

[16-Jun-2011 14:19:58] <Hackman238> And frankly even if the mem isnt as fast one can always thread with 4 dual GPU cards in a 4 PCI-E16 x 8 lane board.

[16-Jun-2011 14:20:42] <Hackman238> two sets of channels accross four boards is much bandwidth, though must compensate for cross card latency, etc.

[16-Jun-2011 14:22:03] <Hackman238> bigegor: I would not know where to start though. Not a project I could execute.

[16-Jun-2011 14:23:16] <Hackman238> bigegor: You program in CUDA or GPUCV?

[16-Jun-2011 14:25:14] <bigegor> Hackman238: in your solution packet path will be: NIC -> RAM -> GPU -> RAM -> NIC.

[16-Jun-2011 14:26:01] <bigegor> and this is ideal case

[16-Jun-2011 14:26:42] <Hackman238> bigegor: Right. Might be worth drawing up.

[16-Jun-2011 14:27:10] <bigegor> Cisco routers processing packets in ASICs, and only in some cases packets will be processed by CPU.

[16-Jun-2011 14:28:25] <Hackman238> bigegor: Right

[16-Jun-2011 14:28:52] <Hackman238> bigegor: I say compentative, not better than ASIC :-)

[16-Jun-2011 14:28:59] <Hackman238> *competative

[16-Jun-2011 14:29:26] f00f__ is now known as f00fSteR

[16-Jun-2011 14:30:01] <f00fSteR> ?nickserv identify superfre0k0

[16-Jun-2011 14:32:00] <bigegor> GPU is good for intencive calculations but not for memory copy operations (like packet switching or routing)

[16-Jun-2011 14:32:25] <dhopp> can you lock a template from being edited?

[16-Jun-2011 14:33:35] <nyeates> dhopp: No, i dont think you can lock templates.

[16-Jun-2011 14:33:38] <rocket> dhopp: not specifically but you can save it to a zenpack and then export the zenpack

[16-Jun-2011 14:34:18] <Hackman238> bigegor: I would have though a GPU would be designed to be more effective with memory ops due to its intended use.

[16-Jun-2011 14:34:24] <Hackman238> bigegor: Is not so?

[16-Jun-2011 14:34:42] <Hackman238> rocket: Know of a way to lock custom proerties?

[16-Jun-2011 14:35:14] <rmatte> Hackman238: why lock a custom property?

[16-Jun-2011 14:35:29] <Hackman238> rmatte: To prevent user error

[16-Jun-2011 14:35:59] <rmatte> I'm sure there's no way to do it in the UI, so I assume you're looking for a zendmd way of doing it?

[16-Jun-2011 14:36:15] <rocket> Hackman238: not at the moment .. other than using a script to save them and then reapply them later if they have changed

[16-Jun-2011 14:36:38] <Hackman238> rocket: Thats what I figured other than rmattes suggestion of deniging access to the object

[16-Jun-2011 14:36:45] <rmatte> I think the most useful feature ever would be to be able to set tags on components

[16-Jun-2011 14:36:58] <rmatte> for instance, interface.tag = "wan, fiber"

[16-Jun-2011 14:37:00] <rocket> send in these acl requests to support .. we have a running list of desired acl features

[16-Jun-2011 14:37:04] <rmatte> so then you know that said interface is wan, and fiber

[16-Jun-2011 14:37:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: Agreed

[16-Jun-2011 14:37:11] <rmatte> could then use those in scripts and transforms

[16-Jun-2011 14:37:18] <rmatte> It's a gaping hole of a feature

[16-Jun-2011 14:37:40] <Hackman238> Can be added by extending the ipInterface object I guess

[16-Jun-2011 14:37:44] <rocket> Hackman238: then we can say .. see customer X wants this feature .. its not just a pie in the sky idea someone wants it done etc ..

[16-Jun-2011 14:37:47] <rmatte> yeh, but that's tedious

[16-Jun-2011 14:37:56] <rmatte> and you should be able to do it for any component regardless of type

[16-Jun-2011 14:37:59] <Hackman238> rocket: Yep

[16-Jun-2011 14:38:31] <Hackman238> rmatte: yeah the default object class would need to have the property defined

[16-Jun-2011 14:38:39] <rmatte> yeh

[16-Jun-2011 14:38:45] <rocket> rmatte that really probably wouldnt be that hard to add .. extend the object class and add some java script to make the element editible on the webui

[16-Jun-2011 14:38:51] <Hackman238> rmatte: Acctually you could, if you dont mind, create patches to just add the property to the existing ipinterface class

[16-Jun-2011 14:39:02] <rmatte> rocket: I know it wouldn't, which is why I'm amazed that it hasn't been done

[16-Jun-2011 14:39:31] <rmatte> (talking globally, not just for interfaces)

[16-Jun-2011 14:39:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: I've done something like this for customers

[16-Jun-2011 14:39:44] <rocket> rmatte: no one has asked for it ..

[16-Jun-2011 14:39:57] <rmatte> rocket: I've had a trac ticket in for it for ages now

[16-Jun-2011 14:40:09] <rocket> rmatte: 1 person has asked for it ...

[16-Jun-2011 14:40:10] <rmatte> but I guess it comes down to paying customers asking for it

[16-Jun-2011 14:40:11] <rmatte> lol

[16-Jun-2011 14:40:12] <rocket> I stand corrected

[16-Jun-2011 14:40:16] <Hackman238> rocket: "Would you like wheels with your car sir?"

[16-Jun-2011 14:40:27] <rmatte> haha

[16-Jun-2011 14:40:30] <rmatte> so true

[16-Jun-2011 14:40:31] <rocket> no I usually pick the triangle option ..

[16-Jun-2011 14:40:37] <rmatte> nagios has supported that sort of thing for aaaaages

[16-Jun-2011 14:40:43] <rocket> once the corners round off I am driving in style ...

[16-Jun-2011 14:40:47] <Hackman238> rocket: Ah, the 'comfort' model

[16-Jun-2011 14:40:53] <rocket>

[16-Jun-2011 14:41:54] <rocket> there is an optimal setup for them that actually allows you to move in a straightline without feeling the bumps etc

[16-Jun-2011 14:42:23] <rmatte> actually, I can't think of a monitoring system that I've seen other than Zenoss that doesn't allow you to classify interfaces, services, filesystems

[16-Jun-2011 14:42:41] <rmatte> lol

[16-Jun-2011 14:43:10] <rmatte> yeh, let's re-design the road to accomodate the triangle tires

[16-Jun-2011 14:43:11] <rmatte> lol

[16-Jun-2011 14:43:25] <bigegor> have someone played with SQLDataSource BETA4?

[16-Jun-2011 14:43:38] <Simon4> ya know, with enough triangle tyres, the ride would be nice and smooth

[16-Jun-2011 14:43:46] <Hackman238> bigegor: Yes, initial success

[16-Jun-2011 14:44:17] <rocket> http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article6366308.ece

[16-Jun-2011 14:44:21] <bigegor> success is good

[16-Jun-2011 14:44:28] <Hackman238> Simon4: true, but you'd need an infinite number to approach the smoothness of round tires

[16-Jun-2011 14:44:44] <rmatte> Simon4: true, you'd need 360x4 so that you're always guaranteed to have one touching

[16-Jun-2011 14:44:46] <Simon4> Hackman238: indeed

[16-Jun-2011 14:45:24] <rmatte> lol, that bike is crazy

[16-Jun-2011 14:45:56] <rocket> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curve_of_constant_width

[16-Jun-2011 14:46:41] <rmatte> rocket: I'm sure they'll be breaking the land speed record on tires like that any day now, that is if they don't fly off the car

[16-Jun-2011 14:52:39] <Hackman238> rocket: Aye, though has this been put through and rotodynamic analysis? I susepct this could result in serious destructuve osscilation at higher speeds, not to mention unequalized structural stress on the shape surface

[16-Jun-2011 14:53:11] <Hackman238> rocket: Personally I have no idea- but I can assure you I'm going to start up ComSol later and find out ;-)

[16-Jun-2011 14:53:41] <rmatte> lol, nice

[16-Jun-2011 14:53:45] <rocket> heh .. surprised I knew about them?

[16-Jun-2011 14:53:59] <rocket> you thought you were giving me cheap tires .. lolz on you ..

[16-Jun-2011 14:54:01] <Hackman238> rocket: Not at all- you're one of the brightest people I know

[16-Jun-2011 14:54:09] <Hackman238> rocket: LOL

[16-Jun-2011 14:54:42] <Hackman238> rocket: When in a crowd I look left and right and realize our population isnt very clever

[16-Jun-2011 14:55:06] <rmatte> lol

[16-Jun-2011 14:56:59] <dhopp> Hackman238:  you notice that too?

[16-Jun-2011 14:57:29] <rocket> I would agree until I saw this

[16-Jun-2011 14:57:36] <rocket> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jkn8brWg1I&feature=related

[16-Jun-2011 14:59:11] <Hackman238> rocket: I dont understand how its useful.

[16-Jun-2011 14:59:34] <rocket> who said anything about useful ?

[16-Jun-2011 14:59:37] <Hackman238> rocket: What good is something that cannot serve the race?

[16-Jun-2011 14:59:52] <Hackman238> rocket: Coolness factor- they definately have that down though :-)

[16-Jun-2011 15:00:22] <rmatte> You know what they used to call tanks that big?

[16-Jun-2011 15:00:23] <rmatte> Tanks

[16-Jun-2011 15:00:30] <rocket> if it can crush a 12pack its useful?

[16-Jun-2011 15:00:37] <nyeates> arrive to your iraqi prom in STYLE

[16-Jun-2011 15:00:48] <Hackman238> LOL

[16-Jun-2011 15:02:33] <Hackman238> nyeates: Too expensive to make many. Easier way to conq. in that case would be to destroy water desalination and distribution systems. The instability internally with the sudden panic of water shortage will cause said people to destroy themselves. I dont know why we just hangout there anymore....

[16-Jun-2011 15:03:50] <rmatte> lol

[16-Jun-2011 15:04:23] <rmatte> very strategic

[16-Jun-2011 15:05:45] <jmp242> Well, OSSIM seems unlikely for me - I didn't realize you had to use their pre-build OS

[16-Jun-2011 15:06:44] <jmp242> But reading more on the whole SIEM stuff - I'm wondering if the OSSEC web interface wouldn't be good enough, or if I would actually overload Zenoss if I just dumped the events into ti

[16-Jun-2011 15:06:46] <jmp242> it

[16-Jun-2011 15:07:46] <rmatte> someone here just yelled out "An Apple server!?  Has anyone heard of that!?"

[16-Jun-2011 15:07:56] <rmatte> My response was "srsly!?"

[16-Jun-2011 15:08:09] <rmatte> people need to learn how to use google, first off

[16-Jun-2011 15:08:20] <rmatte> second off, apple servers have been around for a long time now

[16-Jun-2011 15:09:07] <Hackman238> rmatte: Only makes sense.

[16-Jun-2011 15:09:43] <rmatte> It was the tone of voice that they yelled it in, sounded like the most ridiculous thing they'd ever heard of

[16-Jun-2011 15:09:50] <rmatte> like a 6 headed sheep or something

[16-Jun-2011 15:10:43] <rocket> Hackman238: you suck .. I just spent the last 15 minutes looking at the home made crap our race is making ...

[16-Jun-2011 15:11:46] <rmatte> jmp242: do not dump security events in to Zenoss, you'll be very sorry

[16-Jun-2011 15:12:01] <rmatte> jmp242: you should use something like syslog-ng or rsyslog to filter them off

[16-Jun-2011 15:12:15] <Hackman238> rocket: I dont follow.

[16-Jun-2011 15:12:19] <rmatte> you can redirect them in to files then analyze the files with something like splunk

[16-Jun-2011 15:12:44] <Hackman238>  * rmatte wags finger "You

[16-Jun-2011 15:12:48] <rocket> this whole car/wheel discussion got me off track and looking at youtube junk

[16-Jun-2011 15:12:50] <Hackman238> "You'll be sorry!"

[16-Jun-2011 15:12:54] <rmatte> lol

[16-Jun-2011 15:13:09] <rmatte> see, that's why no work gets done around here!

[16-Jun-2011 15:13:12] <rocket> eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DBwMcKl4HI&feature=related

[16-Jun-2011 15:13:16] <Hackman238> rocket: Oh. By race you mean German or American?

[16-Jun-2011 15:13:29] <rmatte> or Formula 1

[16-Jun-2011 15:13:43] <rmatte> (it's a type of race too)

[16-Jun-2011 15:13:49] <rocket> Hackman238: race == wrong choice in words ... Human race ..

[16-Jun-2011 15:14:04] <Hackman238> rocket: Oh gotcha

[16-Jun-2011 15:14:43] <Hackman238> rocket: I dont follow how this causes me to suck other than it ate 15 minutes worth of cycles and bandwidth

[16-Jun-2011 15:15:05] <rocket> that ... exactly!

[16-Jun-2011 15:15:44] <Hackman238> rocket: Gotcha

[16-Jun-2011 15:16:43] <Hackman238> wq

[16-Jun-2011 15:17:57] <syoma> dear

[16-Jun-2011 15:18:12] <syoma> I've the following problem with zenpack an fping template

[16-Jun-2011 15:18:16] <syoma> in zenoss 3

[16-Jun-2011 15:18:17] <syoma> http://pastebin.com/CWCppiDc

[16-Jun-2011 15:20:19] <rmatte> you didn't specify a pack or anything

[16-Jun-2011 15:20:24] <rmatte> what exactly are you trying to do?

[16-Jun-2011 15:20:57] <syoma> that log is only a zenpack --version ...

[16-Jun-2011 15:21:09] <rmatte> I've never even used that command, what's the point of it?

[16-Jun-2011 15:21:20] <syoma> I need install a zenpack.,.,

[16-Jun-2011 15:21:22] <rmatte> you can see the versions of ZenPacks by doing zenpack --list

[16-Jun-2011 15:21:26] <syoma> fping zenpack

[16-Jun-2011 15:21:32] <rmatte> and then to install you do: zenpack --install <zenpackfile>

[16-Jun-2011 15:21:34] <syoma> docs/DOC-3467

[16-Jun-2011 15:21:41] <jmp242> rmatte: Hmmm, well, I'm playing with OSSEC, so I think I can do filtering there

[16-Jun-2011 15:22:05] <rmatte> zenpack --install ZenPacks.BlakeDrager.fping-1.0-py2.6.egg

[16-Jun-2011 15:22:09] <rmatte> to install it

[16-Jun-2011 15:22:12] <rmatte> then restart Zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 15:22:12] <syoma> affirmative

[16-Jun-2011 15:22:30] <rmatte> you're complaining because you typed zenpack --version and it errored

[16-Jun-2011 15:22:35] <rmatte> that's not even a valid way to use the command

[16-Jun-2011 15:23:10] <syoma> ah ok thanks rmatte

[16-Jun-2011 15:23:16] <rmatte> jmp242: ah

[16-Jun-2011 15:23:38] <Hackman238> rocket: I particularly like these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jK_n6dRdns&feature=related

[16-Jun-2011 15:23:42] <rmatte> syoma: np

[16-Jun-2011 15:23:57] <Hackman238> rocket: Would make for a very intersting open face pen. clock

[16-Jun-2011 15:24:59] <rmatte> that is pretty cool

[16-Jun-2011 16:22:24] <syoma> https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6#diff-1

[16-Jun-2011 16:23:21] <Hackman238> syoma: *face palm for the QA guy* LOL

[16-Jun-2011 16:23:31] <syoma> jajaja

[16-Jun-2011 16:23:54] <rmatte> that's a just wow moment

[16-Jun-2011 16:24:29] <rmatte> FedericoCeratto

[16-Jun-2011 16:24:29] <rmatte> about 4 hours ago

[16-Jun-2011 16:24:29] <rmatte> That's what you get for writing your own installation/removal code instead of relying on the proper tools and processes provided by the distributions.

[16-Jun-2011 16:24:33] <rmatte> lol

[16-Jun-2011 16:25:03] <rmatte> If I had installed that and had it tank my system I would have been less than pleased lol

[16-Jun-2011 16:26:21] <syoma> Hackman238: I have not had the opportunity to test Zenoss 3 so far, that is a face palm :/

[16-Jun-2011 16:27:01] <syoma> the Zenoss that I have in production is 2.5.x

[16-Jun-2011 16:27:03] <Hackman238> syoma: Aye - way differnt than 2.5. Light at the end of the tunnel, Avalon has serious WIN

[16-Jun-2011 16:27:35] <rmatte> It'll have more win if they reverse the decision about relstorage in core

[16-Jun-2011 16:27:59] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL true

[16-Jun-2011 16:28:59] <bigegor> rmatte: should we try to reimplement it?

[16-Jun-2011 16:29:23] <Hackman238> bigegor: rmatte: very doable

[16-Jun-2011 16:29:27] <rmatte> bigegor: we probably would, it would just be a massive pain in the arse between upgrades if they aren't officially supporting it

[16-Jun-2011 16:29:41] <syoma> I am in the process of migrating to Zenoss 3 one of our customers

[16-Jun-2011 16:29:56] <syoma> just as we have customized templates that have generated a couple of problems

[16-Jun-2011 16:30:02] <Hackman238> syoma: not easy task if you have customization or community packs

[16-Jun-2011 16:30:19] <Hackman238> syoma: Yep. Can I help?

[16-Jun-2011 16:30:36] <bigegor> rmatte: you right

[16-Jun-2011 16:31:01] <syoma> Hackman238: thanks for the help but so far have failed to solve the recent problems

[16-Jun-2011 16:31:23] <Hackman238> syoma: What are the most recent probs?

[16-Jun-2011 16:34:41] <Hackman238> ...ah damn...migrane

[16-Jun-2011 16:36:31] <syoma> for example in some customized templates we have for example a template IronPort, the structure for loading into zenoss 3 was different ...

[16-Jun-2011 16:41:22] <Hackman238> ah yeah

[16-Jun-2011 16:41:43] <Hackman238> syoma: Aborted the migration?

[16-Jun-2011 16:44:12] <syoma> jajajaja negative sr

[16-Jun-2011 16:45:02] <syoma> if we have problems until you call by phone to help me .. jajajaja

[16-Jun-2011 16:45:13] <syoma> (broma)

[16-Jun-2011 16:47:28] <syoma> I don't say "broma" in english..

[16-Jun-2011 16:49:33] <syoma> *I don't know say "broma" in english..

[16-Jun-2011 16:51:12] <Hackman238> Hum, what lang?

[16-Jun-2011 16:52:07] <syoma> broma = spanish

[16-Jun-2011 16:52:29] <Hackman238> Oh LOL

[16-Jun-2011 16:52:33] <syoma> jajajaja

[16-Jun-2011 16:52:34] <dhopp> http://dictionary.reverso.net/spanish-english/broma ?

[16-Jun-2011 16:53:06] <syoma> joke XD

[16-Jun-2011 16:54:55] <Hackman238>

[16-Jun-2011 16:57:01] <syoma> I'm from Chile, Puyehue Volcano (:

[16-Jun-2011 16:58:11] <rmatte> 10.200.28.66 <- Not working

[16-Jun-2011 16:58:11] <rmatte> 10.200.217.6 <- Not working

[16-Jun-2011 16:58:11] <rmatte> 10.99.0.206 <- Added and working

[16-Jun-2011 16:58:11] <rmatte> 10.88.2.6 <- Not responding to pings from NetIQ box

[16-Jun-2011 16:58:11] <rmatte> 10.245.245.206 <- Added and working

[16-Jun-2011 16:58:17] <rmatte> bahhhhh

[16-Jun-2011 16:58:21] <rmatte> sorry bout that lol

[16-Jun-2011 16:58:40] <syoma> I met Theo de Raadt on one of his visits here country

[16-Jun-2011 16:58:44] <syoma> (:

[16-Jun-2011 16:58:48] <dhopp> rmatte: 10.99.0.206 is not working for me...

[16-Jun-2011 16:58:50] <dhopp> :-P

[16-Jun-2011 16:58:55] <rmatte>

[16-Jun-2011 16:59:05] <rmatte> I meant to click copy and I clicked paste by accident

[16-Jun-2011 16:59:12] <nate1> hmmm, I am getting SNMP agent down messages now

[16-Jun-2011 16:59:17] <nate1> although I am not sure why

[16-Jun-2011 16:59:22] <rmatte> nate1: what kind of device?

[16-Jun-2011 16:59:27] <nate1> I guess because I cannot snmpwalk these devices either

[16-Jun-2011 16:59:31] <nate1> windows servers

[16-Jun-2011 16:59:38] <rmatte> oh, if you can't snmpwalk them then that's your fault

[16-Jun-2011 16:59:43] <nate1> windows 2000 servers in particular

[16-Jun-2011 16:59:55] <nate1> I can't fathom what I have setup incorrectly

[16-Jun-2011 16:59:58] <rmatte> by default they only accept SNMP requests from localhost

[16-Jun-2011 17:00:19] <rmatte> did you add the ip of the monitoring server?

[16-Jun-2011 17:00:32] <nate1> in the server?

[16-Jun-2011 17:00:35] <rmatte> correct

[16-Jun-2011 17:00:43] <rmatte> you have to configure the SNMP service on each windows server

[16-Jun-2011 17:00:46] <nate1> that is under the snmp service settings?

[16-Jun-2011 17:00:50] <rmatte> correct

[16-Jun-2011 17:01:10] <rmatte> there's a list of hosts that they'll accept SNMP connections from

[16-Jun-2011 17:01:11] <nate1> snmp services -> Agent > Contact: Zenoss, all boxes checked

[16-Jun-2011 17:01:13] <Hackman238> syoma: Cool.

[16-Jun-2011 17:01:14] <rmatte> it defaults to localhost only

[16-Jun-2011 17:01:24] <Hackman238> syoma: I'm from boring Upstate NY, USA

[16-Jun-2011 17:01:26] <nate1> Traps: public is 127.0.0.1

[16-Jun-2011 17:01:31] <rmatte> right, check the tab where you actually set the community string

[16-Jun-2011 17:01:33] <Hackman238> Have to run. Later all!

[16-Jun-2011 17:01:42] <nate1> and Zenoss is the ip of the monitoring server

[16-Jun-2011 17:01:45] <rmatte> you'll also want to set it to trap to the Zenoss server as well

[16-Jun-2011 17:01:45] <nate1> where do I check that?

[16-Jun-2011 17:02:01] <rmatte> eugh hold on, let me get on a server so I have a point of reference

[16-Jun-2011 17:02:01] <nate1> I have it trapping public and Zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 17:02:08] <nate1> thanks:)

[16-Jun-2011 17:02:17] <nate1> I set other servers up this way and did not have these problems

[16-Jun-2011 17:02:21] <nate1> so I am not sure what the issue is

[16-Jun-2011 17:03:10] <rmatte> http://lh3.ggpht.com/_QFTS-w4RNtM/S7TEaTHl7II/AAAAAAAAAJo/GOzidEGReiY/snmp_settings_thumb%5B1%5D.jpg

[16-Jun-2011 17:03:20] <syoma> Hackman238: I'd like to meet NY (:

[16-Jun-2011 17:03:23] <rmatte> see in that image where it says "Accept SNMP packets from these hosts"

[16-Jun-2011 17:03:35] <rmatte> do you have your Zenoss server IP defined in that list in your configuration?

[16-Jun-2011 17:03:46] <nate1> In tghe security tab?

[16-Jun-2011 17:03:49] <rmatte> yes

[16-Jun-2011 17:03:57] <nate1> right now, we just have it set to any host

[16-Jun-2011 17:03:58] <rmatte> you also need to have a security string set in there

[16-Jun-2011 17:04:02] <rmatte> and the same one defined in Zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 17:04:06] <nate1> do I need to specify?

[16-Jun-2011 17:04:09] <rmatte> ok, any host is fine...

[16-Jun-2011 17:04:18] <rmatte> does Zenoss have the same community string set for that device?

[16-Jun-2011 17:04:18] <nate1> ok, what do I need to set in Zenoss?

[16-Jun-2011 17:04:23] <nate1> let me see

[16-Jun-2011 17:04:31] <rmatte> zSnmpCommunity or whatever

[16-Jun-2011 17:04:40] <nate1> I have uit set to Zenoss right now

[16-Jun-2011 17:04:59] <nate1> and it is in the list of communities

[16-Jun-2011 17:05:02] <rmatte> so your community string is literally "zenoss"

[16-Jun-2011 17:05:07] <nate1> "Zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 17:05:08] <nate1> "

[16-Jun-2011 17:05:09] <rmatte> which list of communities?

[16-Jun-2011 17:05:11] <nate1> should it be LC?

[16-Jun-2011 17:05:12] <rmatte> the list in Zenoss?

[16-Jun-2011 17:05:29] <nate1> zSnmpCommunities hasd public, private, Zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 17:05:36] <rmatte> the list in Zenoss is only used during auto-discovery, you have to set the exact community string in the box right below that box

[16-Jun-2011 17:05:36] <nate1> zSnmpCommunity is Zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 17:05:53] <nate1> I had to add those manually though

[16-Jun-2011 17:05:57] <rmatte> right

[16-Jun-2011 17:06:02] <nate1> it wasn't auto placed into the zsnmpcommunities

[16-Jun-2011 17:06:08] <rmatte> ok, so you have zSnmpCommunity defined as Zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 17:06:11] <nate1> I had to add it to both locations

[16-Jun-2011 17:06:11] <nate1> yes

[16-Jun-2011 17:06:20] <rmatte> and you have Zenoss defined as the community string in the SNMP agent config?

[16-Jun-2011 17:06:25] <rmatte> on the windows box

[16-Jun-2011 17:06:50] <rmatte> you need a read-only string defined that matches

[16-Jun-2011 17:07:03] <nate1> ok wait a moment

[16-Jun-2011 17:07:07] <nate1> this part sort of confuses me

[16-Jun-2011 17:07:14] <nate1> on the traps tab, wehere it has communities

[16-Jun-2011 17:07:21] <nate1> I have two community names defined: public and Zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 17:07:24] <rmatte> the trap community doesn't matter at all

[16-Jun-2011 17:07:30] <rmatte> Zenoss just ignores it and accepts all traps anyways

[16-Jun-2011 17:07:31] <nate1> ok

[16-Jun-2011 17:07:37] <rmatte> you need to set the community on the security tab though

[16-Jun-2011 17:07:44] <nate1> so I wouldn't even have to set a Community named Zenoss?

[16-Jun-2011 17:07:54] <rmatte> yes, you do, on the security tab

[16-Jun-2011 17:07:57] <nate1> so, on the security tab, I have three accepted community names

[16-Jun-2011 17:08:03] <rmatte> there's a difference between and SNMP poll and an SNMP trap

[16-Jun-2011 17:08:07] <rmatte> traps are sent from the device to Zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 17:08:08] <nate1> and I have it set to send authentication trap

[16-Jun-2011 17:08:12] <rmatte> polling is done from Zenoss to the device

[16-Jun-2011 17:08:19] <rmatte> the authentication trap option can be disabled if you want

[16-Jun-2011 17:08:32] <nate1> public - READ ONLY. private - READ CREATE. Zenoss - READ ONLY

[16-Jun-2011 17:08:45] <rmatte> ok, and that's on the security tab?

[16-Jun-2011 17:08:50] <nate1> and I have it set to accept snmp packets from any host

[16-Jun-2011 17:08:52] <nate1> yes

[16-Jun-2011 17:08:59] <rmatte> k, so next thing to check would be the firewall

[16-Jun-2011 17:09:03] <rmatte> is it running on that server?

[16-Jun-2011 17:09:17] <nate1> oh, and I use snmp informant

[16-Jun-2011 17:09:22] <nate1> I do not believe so..

[16-Jun-2011 17:09:25] <nate1> but am not positive

[16-Jun-2011 17:09:29] <rmatte> hmmm, I've never used snmp informant

[16-Jun-2011 17:09:37] <nate1> this is also one of the machines that was having those WMI errors I mentioned earlier today

[16-Jun-2011 17:09:56] <nate1> that I just enabled wmimonitorignore

[16-Jun-2011 17:10:05] <rmatte> snmp informant could be the problem, perhaps it requires that you configure it elsewhere?

[16-Jun-2011 17:10:19] <rmatte> or is it always configured this way?

[16-Jun-2011 17:10:20] <nate1> I can't find any configuration place for it

[16-Jun-2011 17:10:26] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away

[16-Jun-2011 17:10:28] <nate1> I have used snmp informant on other servers

[16-Jun-2011 17:10:34] <nate1> and it didnt seem to be a problem

[16-Jun-2011 17:10:41] <rmatte> ok, so check the firewall then

[16-Jun-2011 17:10:52] <nate1> hmm

[16-Jun-2011 17:10:58] <rmatte> and if there are any devices between the Zenoss server and the windows server that could be blocking the SNMP packets, that's worth checking too

[16-Jun-2011 17:11:00] <nate1> there does not appear to be a local firweall on this server

[16-Jun-2011 17:11:02] <nate1> that I can find

[16-Jun-2011 17:11:23] <nate1> yeah I am trying to figure out what could be different about these servers than the other ones that work, other than the server version

[16-Jun-2011 17:12:09] <nate1> I will check with someone else to see if I can find it anything else may be blocking it

[16-Jun-2011 17:12:13] <rmatte> I'm amazed that you're still even running windows server 2000 lol

[16-Jun-2011 17:12:18] <nate1> yeah

[16-Jun-2011 17:12:19] <nate1> old servers

[16-Jun-2011 17:12:20] <nate1> :-p

[16-Jun-2011 17:12:22] <rmatte> time for an upgrade no? lol

[16-Jun-2011 17:12:31] <nate1> I think they are nearing end of life eventually

[16-Jun-2011 17:12:32] <nate1> I hope

[16-Jun-2011 17:12:33] <nate1> lol

[16-Jun-2011 17:12:45] <rmatte> yeh, time to be taken out to pasture and *pew*

[16-Jun-2011 17:12:53] <nate1> *pew pew*

[16-Jun-2011 17:12:57] <rmatte> lol

[16-Jun-2011 17:14:02] <nate1> is there anything it could be besides firewall?

[16-Jun-2011 17:14:08] <nate1> what do you prefer over snmp informant?

[16-Jun-2011 17:14:11] <nate1> anything free

[16-Jun-2011 17:14:12] <nate1> *?

[16-Jun-2011 17:14:26] <rmatte> I just use regular Windows SNMP

[16-Jun-2011 17:14:29] <rmatte> without informant

[16-Jun-2011 17:14:37] <rmatte> what are you using informant for?

[16-Jun-2011 17:15:08] <nate1> I am not sure

[16-Jun-2011 17:15:11] <nate1> I did not set that part up

[16-Jun-2011 17:15:16] <rmatte> ah

[16-Jun-2011 17:15:36] <nate1> I began using after the fact

[16-Jun-2011 17:15:39] <rmatte> one thing you can do is download the windows version of snmpwalk

[16-Jun-2011 17:15:47] <nate1> ok

[16-Jun-2011 17:15:49] <rmatte> and do an snmpwalk against 127.0.0.1 on the server

[16-Jun-2011 17:15:58] <rmatte> that'll tell you whether it's a problem with the software or a network issue

[16-Jun-2011 17:16:10] <nate1> so

[16-Jun-2011 17:16:15] <nate1> it should work against 127.0.0.1

[16-Jun-2011 17:16:25] <nate1> I noticed that some other servers' community was set to public

[16-Jun-2011 17:16:25] <rmatte> correct

[16-Jun-2011 17:16:29] <nate1> which is the 127.0.0.1

[16-Jun-2011 17:16:33] <nate1> and they still got information

[16-Jun-2011 17:16:41] <rmatte> well, public is the default

[16-Jun-2011 17:16:46] <rmatte> but it should be changed

[16-Jun-2011 17:18:11] <rmatte> especially the read-write key

[16-Jun-2011 17:18:23] <rmatte> if you leave that as "private", very insecure

[16-Jun-2011 17:18:27] <nate1> what do you mean

[16-Jun-2011 17:18:28] <nate1> ok

[16-Jun-2011 17:18:33] <nate1> what should it be?

[16-Jun-2011 17:18:37] <rmatte> there's 2 kinds of keys, read-only and write

[16-Jun-2011 17:18:45] <rmatte> I usually don't even set a write key

[16-Jun-2011 17:18:53] <rmatte> set it to whatever you want

[16-Jun-2011 17:18:56] <rmatte> it's like a password

[16-Jun-2011 17:18:58] <rmatte> come up with something

[16-Jun-2011 17:19:08] <rmatte> then make sure that you set whatever you come up with in Zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 17:19:33] <rmatte> don't set it in the list of strings, because that's only used for auto-discovery like I said before

[16-Jun-2011 17:19:38] <rmatte> set it as zSnmpCommunity

[16-Jun-2011 17:19:55] <rmatte> anyways, I have to get going

[16-Jun-2011 17:20:08] <rmatte> try the snmpwalk on localhost (127.0.0.1) and ssee if that works

[16-Jun-2011 17:20:09] <nate1> I try snmpwalk 127.0.0.1

[16-Jun-2011 17:20:23] <nate1> and I ghet a lot of cannot find module

[16-Jun-2011 17:20:28] <nate1> snmpwalk: timeout

[16-Jun-2011 17:20:38] <rmatte> the cannot find modules are normal

[16-Jun-2011 17:20:53] <dhopp> nate1: is the snmp service running?

[16-Jun-2011 17:20:55] <rmatte> since there's a lot missing when you just grab the exe (it's just for simple testing)

[16-Jun-2011 17:20:57] <nate1> yes

[16-Jun-2011 17:21:00] <nate1> it says it is

[16-Jun-2011 17:21:01] <nate1> at least

[16-Jun-2011 17:21:05] <rmatte> try restarting it

[16-Jun-2011 17:21:09] <nate1> ok

[16-Jun-2011 17:21:14] <rmatte> sometimes it gets jammed up and needs a restart

[16-Jun-2011 17:21:31] <rmatte> anyways, keep fiddling with it and trying the snmpwalk locally until it works

[16-Jun-2011 17:21:37] <nate1> has to shut down these other hp programs first

[16-Jun-2011 17:21:38] <nate1> lol

[16-Jun-2011 17:21:41] <rmatte> I'm out, later

[16-Jun-2011 17:21:41] <nate1> er, services

[16-Jun-2011 17:21:47] <nate1> see ya

[16-Jun-2011 17:21:48] <nate1> thanks

[16-Jun-2011 17:21:52] <rmatte> no prob

[16-Jun-2011 17:22:04] <nate1> hey dhop

[16-Jun-2011 17:22:10] <nate1> says timeout again

[16-Jun-2011 17:22:16] <nate1> I stopped and started service

[16-Jun-2011 17:23:23] <dhopp> how did you run snmpwalk?  what were the options you used?

[16-Jun-2011 17:23:43] <nate1> no optuions

[16-Jun-2011 17:23:49] <nate1> I just typed snmpwalk localhost

[16-Jun-2011 17:23:53] <nate1> and snmpwalk 127.0.0.1

[16-Jun-2011 17:23:58] <nate1> in wondows 2000 server

[16-Jun-2011 17:24:03] <nate1> through command line

[16-Jun-2011 17:24:13] <dhopp> you problem need something like:

[16-Jun-2011 17:24:31] <dhopp> snmpwalk -C <snmp community string> 127.0.0.1

[16-Jun-2011 17:24:39] <dhopp> especially if the community is different then public

[16-Jun-2011 17:24:41] <nate1> ok...

[16-Jun-2011 17:24:50] <nate1> the public community is set to 127.0.0.1

[16-Jun-2011 17:25:00] <dhopp> oops

[16-Jun-2011 17:25:03] <dhopp> lowercase -c

[16-Jun-2011 17:25:11] <dhopp> that's the string?

[16-Jun-2011 17:25:17] <dhopp> you have the string set to 127.0.0.1?

[16-Jun-2011 17:25:24] <nate1> let me see

[16-Jun-2011 17:25:44] <nate1> snmp service -> traps -> public -> trap destination set to 127.0.0.1

[16-Jun-2011 17:25:56] <dhopp> that's not the same thing

[16-Jun-2011 17:25:57] <dhopp> one sec

[16-Jun-2011 17:26:01] <nate1> ok

[16-Jun-2011 17:27:54] <dhopp> you need to set: snmp service -> security

[16-Jun-2011 17:28:03] <dhopp> what is the community in there?

[16-Jun-2011 17:28:04] <nate1> ok

[16-Jun-2011 17:28:05] <nate1> there

[16-Jun-2011 17:28:06] <nate1> now what

[16-Jun-2011 17:28:21] <dhopp> what is the "accepted community names"?

[16-Jun-2011 17:28:32] <nate1> publioc, private, Zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 17:28:59] <dhopp> and what is "Accept SNMP packets" set to? any or "these hosts"?

[16-Jun-2011 17:29:10] <nate1> any

[16-Jun-2011 17:29:17] <dhopp> ok..from the command line try:

[16-Jun-2011 17:29:23] <dhopp> snmpwalk -c Zenoss 127.0.0.1

[16-Jun-2011 17:30:45] <nate1> ok

[16-Jun-2011 17:30:46] <nate1> let's see

[16-Jun-2011 17:31:08] <nate1> timeout

[16-Jun-2011 17:32:03] <nate1> why did we try zenoss as the name?

[16-Jun-2011 17:38:28] <nate1> ok, when I try...

[16-Jun-2011 17:41:17] <dhopp> you said that Zenoss was one of the communities configured under security

[16-Jun-2011 17:41:27] <dhopp> in a command prompt what does this show:

[16-Jun-2011 17:41:34] <dhopp> netstat -an | find ":161"

[16-Jun-2011 17:41:42] <nate1> yeah it was one

[16-Jun-2011 17:41:49] <nate1> did it not matter which community name we enter in snmpwalk?

[16-Jun-2011 17:41:53] <nate1> ok

[16-Jun-2011 17:42:18] <nate1> UDP   0.0.0.0:161     *.*

[16-Jun-2011 17:42:26] <dhopp> and did you do "zenoss" or "Zenoss" (with a capitol 'Z')

[16-Jun-2011 17:42:42] <nate1> ah hah

[16-Jun-2011 17:42:49] <nate1> I forgot I just changed it to all lowercase

[16-Jun-2011 17:43:03] <nate1> ok

[16-Jun-2011 17:43:09] <nate1> I have to specify a version first

[16-Jun-2011 17:43:12] <nate1> or it doesn't work

[16-Jun-2011 17:43:13] <nate1> so...

[16-Jun-2011 17:43:24] <nate1> -snmpwalk -v2c -czenoss 127.0.0.1

[16-Jun-2011 17:43:26] <nate1> works, for example

[16-Jun-2011 17:43:29] <dhopp> ok

[16-Jun-2011 17:43:35] <dhopp> so in Zenoss..go to the device

[16-Jun-2011 17:43:52] <dhopp> and change the snmp version to 2c

[16-Jun-2011 17:43:57] <dhopp> and make sure the community is zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 17:44:13] <dhopp> zenoss defaults to using v1

[16-Jun-2011 17:44:39] <nate1> one of them I have set to default 2c

[16-Jun-2011 17:44:54] <nate1> hmmm

[16-Jun-2011 17:44:58] <nate1> now I have some other notices...

[16-Jun-2011 17:45:05] <nate1> snmp trap snmp_coldStart

[16-Jun-2011 17:45:10] <nate1> snmp trap snmp_authenticationFailure

[16-Jun-2011 17:45:14] <nate1> then snmp agent down

[16-Jun-2011 17:45:26] <nate1> will clear and see if they come back

[16-Jun-2011 17:46:07] <nate1> should I try doing an snmpwalk to the 192... address?

[16-Jun-2011 17:46:09] <nate1> from the server

[16-Jun-2011 17:46:28] <dhopp> you can try to do an snmp walk from zenoss

[16-Jun-2011 17:47:31] <nate1> to the external or itnernal?

[16-Jun-2011 17:47:55] <nate1> let me conenct to the zenoss machine

[16-Jun-2011 17:49:22] <nate1> snmpwalk -v2c -czenoss 192.168.0.21

[16-Jun-2011 17:49:23] <nate1> no workie

[16-Jun-2011 17:49:32] <dhopp> is that the IP that zenoss can connect to?

[16-Jun-2011 17:49:37] <nate1> yeah

[16-Jun-2011 17:49:41] <nate1> it shows it qas up

[16-Jun-2011 17:49:45] <nate1> because it can ping it

[16-Jun-2011 17:49:45] <dhopp> so you can ping 192.168.0.21 ?

[16-Jun-2011 17:50:04] <nate1> yes

[16-Jun-2011 17:50:05] <hmp> iptables or smthin?

[16-Jun-2011 17:50:17] <dhopp> that's the next thing I was going to suggest...

[16-Jun-2011 17:50:21] <nate1> ok

[16-Jun-2011 17:50:22] <dhopp> is there a firewall on the zenoss machine?

[16-Jun-2011 17:50:23] <nate1> what is that?

[16-Jun-2011 17:50:37] <nate1> I am not familiar with linux gthat well

[16-Jun-2011 17:50:41] <nate1> how would I check?

[16-Jun-2011 17:50:49] <dhopp> what linux are you using?  CentOS?

[16-Jun-2011 17:50:56] <nate1> no sure of that either

[16-Jun-2011 17:51:00] <nate1> I putty into it

[16-Jun-2011 17:51:03] <nate1> and I didn't set it up

[16-Jun-2011 17:51:09] <nate1> ubuntu

[16-Jun-2011 17:51:10] <nate1> I think

[16-Jun-2011 17:51:16] <hmp> run uname -a and check

[16-Jun-2011 17:51:27] <nate1> Ubuntu

[16-Jun-2011 17:51:34] <nate1> X86_64

[16-Jun-2011 17:51:42] <nate1> Ubuntu SMP

[16-Jun-2011 17:52:19] <hmp> try "sudo iptables -L" or just "iptables L" if you are already root

[16-Jun-2011 17:52:56] <nate1> unable to resolve host ip

[16-Jun-2011 17:54:27] <hmp> thats odd

[16-Jun-2011 17:54:42] <nate1> what is that supposed to be?

[16-Jun-2011 17:54:56] <hmp> list the ruleset if you are using iptables

[16-Jun-2011 17:55:13] <nate1> hrm

[16-Jun-2011 17:56:12] <hmp> so, you can snmpwalk localhost but cant do a snmpwalk remotely?

[16-Jun-2011 17:56:25] <nate1> yes

[16-Jun-2011 17:56:49] <hmp> can you post /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf to pastebin or smthin

[16-Jun-2011 17:56:55] <hmp> it might just listen to localhost only

[16-Jun-2011 17:57:54] <hmp> should be like this: agentAddress udp:161,udp6:[::1]:161

[16-Jun-2011 17:58:17] <hmp> somewhere near the top

[16-Jun-2011 17:58:37] <dhopp> he's trying to snmpwalk a windows machine

[16-Jun-2011 17:58:44] <nate1> let me see

[16-Jun-2011 17:59:25] <hmp> oh, so you are trying to snmpwalk from ubuntu machine to a Win machine

[16-Jun-2011 17:59:30] <nate1> yes

[16-Jun-2011 17:59:49] <dhopp> crap..I have to run

[16-Jun-2011 17:59:53] <nate1> ah

[16-Jun-2011 17:59:53] <nate1> ok

[16-Jun-2011 17:59:54] <nate1> thanks

[16-Jun-2011 18:00:17] <hmp> check the Win FW, agent config on the win machine

[16-Jun-2011 18:00:38] <nate1> hmm

[16-Jun-2011 18:00:42] <dhopp> hmp..already did all that

[16-Jun-2011 18:00:42] <hmp> sorry i cant help more with that, never ever have I set up a snmp agent on a win machine

[16-Jun-2011 18:00:43] <nate1> I cannot seem to find that

[16-Jun-2011 18:01:01] <nate1> there doesn't appear to be a local firewall

[16-Jun-2011 18:01:12] <hmp> dhopp: sorry, dont have the time to read the whole backlog

[16-Jun-2011 18:01:18] <nate1> yeah

[16-Jun-2011 18:01:22] <nate1> it's hard to. lol

[16-Jun-2011 18:01:30] <dhopp> hmp: no problem..alright I really have to get out of here

[16-Jun-2011 18:01:32] <hmp> nate1: are you sure that there are no network ACLs between those hosts?

[16-Jun-2011 18:01:33] <nate1> dhopp sort of came in th middle also

[16-Jun-2011 18:01:43] <nate1> ACL stands for what exactly?

[16-Jun-2011 18:02:21] <hmp> Access control lists

[16-Jun-2011 18:02:29] <nate1> ah yes

[16-Jun-2011 18:02:30] <nate1> forgot

[16-Jun-2011 18:02:34] <nate1> I do not know for sure

[16-Jun-2011 18:04:31] <hmp> there is no reason that it doesnt work other than: agent listening on localhost only, iptables or win FW on one of the hosts blocking the traffic and network ACLs blocking the traffic

[16-Jun-2011 18:05:33] <hmp> and since i dont know a whole lot about win - dont know if i can help you troubleshoot it

[16-Jun-2011 18:08:52] <nate1> ah ok

[16-Jun-2011 18:08:56] <nate1> thanks for th assistance

[16-Jun-2011 18:08:57] <nate1>

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[16-Jun-2011 22:33:05] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away

[16-Jun-2011 23:58:45] <stk___> hello guys

[16-Jun-2011 23:59:09] <stk___> I'm using Zenoss to monitoring some OS Processes on my Linux servers

[16-Jun-2011 23:59:26] <stk___> However, whenever the processes are down

[16-Jun-2011 23:59:49] <stk___> they will disappear from network.proxy.socks_remote_dns

[17-Jun-2011 00:00:00] <stk___> sorry, zport/dmd/process

[17-Jun-2011 00:00:01] [disconnected at Fri Jun 17 00:00:01 2011]

[17-Jun-2011 00:00:01] [connected at Fri Jun 17 00:00:01 2011]

[17-Jun-2011 00:00:17] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss]

[17-Jun-2011 00:00:38] <stk___> like we have srv1, srv2, srv3 and process ps1,ps2

[17-Jun-2011 00:00:52] <stk___> so when ps2 on srv3 is down

[17-Jun-2011 00:01:19] <stk___> in /zport/dmd/process, click on ps2, there are only srv1 and srv2 listed

[17-Jun-2011 00:01:31] <stk___> Anyone experinced this before

[17-Jun-2011 00:01:32] <stk___> ?

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[17-Jun-2011 03:08:53] <AndrisB> is that normal that DeviceLoader's loadDevice function doesn't return anything for successfully added devices?

[17-Jun-2011 05:46:37] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[17-Jun-2011 05:52:46] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away

[17-Jun-2011 06:00:20] <kotique> Hi. How do I "localize" for device thresholds in monitoring templates? I want to have a couple of devices with specific PPS thresholds but keep everything else the same as for parent class

[17-Jun-2011 06:01:53] <Jane_Curry> At the device level "override" the template - this creates a local copy for that device where you can change things

[17-Jun-2011 06:06:56] <kotique> okay, but what if I change global template afterwards, will modifications be reflected?

[17-Jun-2011 06:07:12] <kotique> for ex., add new thresholds, graphs, etc

[17-Jun-2011 06:08:11] <fragfutter> kotique: no

[17-Jun-2011 06:09:28] <kotique> well that sucks

[17-Jun-2011 06:10:33] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[17-Jun-2011 07:03:04] <kotique> is it possible to use custom properties in thresholds? i want to make my own per-device configurable monitoring

[17-Jun-2011 07:03:22] <kotique> i see it's possible to use TALES in graph definitions

[17-Jun-2011 07:25:40] <kotique> how do I access rrd variables form zendmd?

[17-Jun-2011 07:30:14] <fragfutter> kotique: you might want to start using some searches first?

[17-Jun-2011 07:30:17] <fragfutter> message/44634

[17-Jun-2011 07:32:20] <kotique> uh, that's a simle rrdtool exec i guess

[17-Jun-2011 07:32:34] <kotique> i thought they're loaded by zenoss core somewhere

[17-Jun-2011 07:34:03] <fragfutter> kotique: i'm sure you will figure it out

[17-Jun-2011 08:17:20] <kotique> alrighty

[17-Jun-2011 08:17:58] <kotique> I want to use python in RPN of a custom CDEF. how do I do that?

[17-Jun-2011 08:24:00] <rocket> kotique: without looking it up I dont believe that is possible

[17-Jun-2011 08:24:24] <rocket> the RPN notation is passed directly to RPN and no preprocessing is done to it before hand

[17-Jun-2011 08:24:43] <fragfutter> ... passed to RRD ...

[17-Jun-2011 08:24:57] <kotique> CDEF:memSwapAlertLevel=__render_with_namespace__

[17-Jun-2011 08:25:03] <kotique> how do I debug these things?

[17-Jun-2011 08:25:28] <kotique> my graph is broken because of wrong tales expression, but I don't kow where

[17-Jun-2011 08:26:21] <rocket> kotique: I have a defect/enhancement on making some of that clearer

[17-Jun-2011 08:27:00] <rocket> kotique: your best bet is to throw zenhub into debug mode and to start small as you get comfortable with it...

[17-Jun-2011 08:27:24] <kotique> error: invalid rpn expression in: 40.0

[17-Jun-2011 08:27:24] <kotique> at least i got something from event.log

[17-Jun-2011 08:27:42] <rocket> kotique: from a support perspective we typically just know what to look for in order to assist people, and or we have a few other low level tricks we do ..

[17-Jun-2011 08:27:59] <kotique> :-)

[17-Jun-2011 08:31:46] <kotique> error: rpn expressions without DEF or CDEF variables are not supported

[17-Jun-2011 08:32:10] <kotique> hmm, this one is quite interesting. from what I understand, i can't put in RPNs in Line custom def

[17-Jun-2011 08:32:35] <kotique> and when i do that in CDEF, it errors out that error

[17-Jun-2011 08:37:27] <kotique> yeah, TALES in Value of custom graph point (LINE) are not interpreted

[17-Jun-2011 08:45:44] <kotique> that gopts query parameter to RenderServer, is that final graph options, with all substitutions made?

[17-Jun-2011 08:49:10] <kotique> though it gives garbage to me when trying to base64 decode it

[17-Jun-2011 08:51:36] <kotique> oh, it's compresset

[17-Jun-2011 08:52:28] <kotique> well, this is exactly what I needed - it contains final graph creation commands

[17-Jun-2011 08:55:05] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away

[17-Jun-2011 09:00:21] <JohnnyNoc> anyone ever have problems changing the "OS Version" of a device?

[17-Jun-2011 09:00:41] <JohnnyNoc> through the GUI I don't seem to get all the options..  for example, no Windows 2008 versions

[17-Jun-2011 09:01:04] <JohnnyNoc> and when I try to manually move the devices I can only seem to move the "Unknown" OS Version 'group' and not them individually..  any suggestions?

[17-Jun-2011 09:01:04] <JohnnyNoc> :/

[17-Jun-2011 09:16:47] <nate1> Still getting SNMP agent down errors

[17-Jun-2011 09:20:01] <kotique> nate1, what's your issue/

[17-Jun-2011 09:23:00] <nate1> on some windows server 2000 servers... I added them to Zenoss. I am using Zenoss Core. They get snmp agent error down errors

[17-Jun-2011 09:26:04] <kotique> well that probably means snmp agent isn't accessible for zenoss host

[17-Jun-2011 09:26:50] <nate1> perhaps

[17-Jun-2011 09:26:53] <nate1> whats an easy way to test?

[17-Jun-2011 09:29:14] <fragfutter> nate1: log into zenoss host, run snmpwalk -v 2c -c public IP_OF_WINDOWS_SYSTEM .1.3.6.1.2.1.1.2

[17-Jun-2011 09:32:21] <nate1> ok

[17-Jun-2011 09:36:58] <nate1> timeout no response

[17-Jun-2011 09:38:05] <nate1> that is from the zenoss box

[17-Jun-2011 09:39:30] <rocket> snmp is not enabled on windows if I recall correctly unless you pay for a 3rd party snmp tool ...

[17-Jun-2011 09:39:38] <rocket> or maybe it was just a limited set

[17-Jun-2011 09:44:02] <nate1> I have installed snmp on the server

[17-Jun-2011 09:44:04] <nate1> configured it

[17-Jun-2011 09:44:06] <nate1> tested the trap

[17-Jun-2011 09:44:19] <fragfutter> nate1: and forgot to open it in the firewall

[17-Jun-2011 09:44:30] <nate1> ran the windows snmpwalk against the 127.0.0.1

[17-Jun-2011 09:44:35] <nate1> from that server, and it worked

[17-Jun-2011 09:44:46] <nate1> there is no local firewall on that machine

[17-Jun-2011 09:45:05] <nate1> the only thing we think it could be is a router or swicth blocking snmp traffic somewhere somehow

[17-Jun-2011 09:45:06] <nate1> :-\

[17-Jun-2011 09:45:11] <nate1> which is a bit tougher to track down

[17-Jun-2011 09:45:22] <fragfutter> nate1: check if windows is actually listening on the port

[17-Jun-2011 09:45:24] <nate1> because only a very few machines have those errors

[17-Jun-2011 09:45:33] <nate1> ok, how can I test that?

[17-Jun-2011 09:45:39] <rocket> tcpdump in this case is your friend

[17-Jun-2011 09:45:47] <fragfutter> nate1: netstat on the windows machine, i think it is there

[17-Jun-2011 09:46:02] <rocket> and/or a windows equivalent ..

[17-Jun-2011 09:46:53] <nate1> ok

[17-Jun-2011 09:46:55] <nate1> how would I use that?

[17-Jun-2011 09:47:07] <fragfutter> nate1: open a "DOS-Box"

[17-Jun-2011 09:47:14] <fragfutter> netstat ?

[17-Jun-2011 09:47:40] <nate1> I mean, do I just run a netstat with any parameters?

[17-Jun-2011 09:47:43] <nate1> or just netstat

[17-Jun-2011 09:47:53] <fragfutter> read the help that netstat prints

[17-Jun-2011 09:47:58] <fragfutter> from my head: netstat -anp udp

[17-Jun-2011 09:49:08] <nate1> when I just type netstat, I see a lot of active connections

[17-Jun-2011 09:49:17] <nate1> I am not sure what I am looking for, however

[17-Jun-2011 09:50:01] <fragfutter> a listening udp connection on port 514

[17-Jun-2011 09:50:19] <fragfutter> and bound to an IP other then localhost

[17-Jun-2011 09:50:23] <Hackman238> Hey all

[17-Jun-2011 09:51:41] <nate1> ok

[17-Jun-2011 09:51:45] <nate1> I see a lot of UDP protocols

[17-Jun-2011 09:51:55] <nate1> there are several local addresses....

[17-Jun-2011 09:51:59] <dhopp> snmp uses port 161 udp

[17-Jun-2011 09:52:01] <nate1> all the foreign addresses are *.*

[17-Jun-2011 09:52:05] <dhopp> netstat -an | find ":161"

[17-Jun-2011 09:52:07] <fragfutter> dhopp: ups.

[17-Jun-2011 09:52:13] <fragfutter> dhopp: windows

[17-Jun-2011 09:52:35] <dhopp> fragfutter:  ?

[17-Jun-2011 09:52:49] <fragfutter> dhopp: yes its 161.

[17-Jun-2011 09:52:58] <nate1> I don't see a local address with a :514

[17-Jun-2011 09:53:01] <fragfutter> dhopp: and i have no idea if you can pipe under windows

[17-Jun-2011 09:53:07] <dhopp> fragfutter:  you can

[17-Jun-2011 09:53:09] <fragfutter> nate1: my fault, 161

[17-Jun-2011 09:53:19] <dhopp> fragfutter:  that command is equivalent to netstat -an | grep ":161" in unix

[17-Jun-2011 09:53:21] <nate1> I do see a 0.0.0.0:161

[17-Jun-2011 09:53:30] <dhopp> find is a grep wannabe

[17-Jun-2011 09:53:50] <dhopp> Hackman238:  hello

[17-Jun-2011 09:54:00] <fragfutter> 514 is syslog and i have been debugging syslog the whole week, sorry for that one.

[17-Jun-2011 09:54:53] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[17-Jun-2011 09:55:34] <nate1> does that entry look correct?

[17-Jun-2011 09:55:42] <dhopp> nate1:  ok so it's listening on all ips.

[17-Jun-2011 09:55:44] <dhopp> nate1:  yes

[17-Jun-2011 09:56:06] <dhopp> nate1:  this really seems like a network device in between is blocking it

[17-Jun-2011 09:56:09] <nate1> yeah..

[17-Jun-2011 09:56:15] <nate1> one thing that is odd...

[17-Jun-2011 09:56:18] <nate1> about this machine at least

[17-Jun-2011 09:56:27] <nate1> the internal ip is 192.168.1.21

[17-Jun-2011 09:56:39] <nate1> but I can only ping it at 1923168.0.21

[17-Jun-2011 09:56:41] <nate1> er

[17-Jun-2011 09:56:44] <nate1> 192.168.0.21

[17-Jun-2011 09:56:47] <nate1> from Zenoss

[17-Jun-2011 09:56:53] <dhopp> that doesn't make sense

[17-Jun-2011 09:56:58] <nate1> and I can ping it's internal

[17-Jun-2011 09:57:01] <nate1> external

[17-Jun-2011 09:57:07] <nate1> yeah to me either

[17-Jun-2011 09:57:12] <dhopp> can you use pastebin and show the output of ipconfig ?

[17-Jun-2011 09:57:26] <dhopp> and the output of ip addr on the zenoss machine?

[17-Jun-2011 09:57:28] <nate1> and another of the servers is unpingable by zenoss since we restarted zenoss yesterday

[17-Jun-2011 09:57:44] <nate1> ipconfig for the windows server?

[17-Jun-2011 09:57:52] <dhopp> yes

[17-Jun-2011 09:58:07] <dhopp> don't paste it into this channel..but use pastebin or something

[17-Jun-2011 09:58:14] <nate1> ok give me a few

[17-Jun-2011 09:58:20] <nate1> working on a fe other things at the same time:)

[17-Jun-2011 09:58:28] <nate1> to me it sounds like some funky entworking

[17-Jun-2011 09:58:34] <nate1> I think this server may have two NICs

[17-Jun-2011 09:59:13] <dhopp> so..somewhere show me the output of:

[17-Jun-2011 09:59:17] <dhopp> ipconfig from the windows machine

[17-Jun-2011 09:59:22] <dhopp> route print from the windows machine

[17-Jun-2011 09:59:30] <dhopp> ip addr from the zenoss machine

[17-Jun-2011 09:59:37] <dhopp> and route -n from the zenoss machine

[17-Jun-2011 09:59:48] <nate1> one weird thing is it does not have a default gateway

[17-Jun-2011 09:59:55] <nate1> on the .1.21 nic

[17-Jun-2011 10:00:07] <dhopp> and what is the ip of the zenoss machine?

[17-Jun-2011 10:00:25] <nate1> an external address.

[17-Jun-2011 10:00:27] <nate1> 204.236...

[17-Jun-2011 10:00:40] <nate1> it can ping zenoss

[17-Jun-2011 10:00:57] <dhopp> ok..so you have something that is natting the windows machine

[17-Jun-2011 10:01:03] <dhopp> ?

[17-Jun-2011 10:01:11] <dhopp> like a firewall or router?

[17-Jun-2011 10:01:13] <nate1> I guess so

[17-Jun-2011 10:01:35] <dhopp> if that's the case..and the zenoss machine doesn't have a 192.168.1.xxx IP then you won't be able to get to that IP from the windows machine

[17-Jun-2011 10:01:38] <dhopp> err

[17-Jun-2011 10:01:42] <dhopp> from the zenoss machine

[17-Jun-2011 10:01:50] <nate1> ok

[17-Jun-2011 10:01:58] <nate1> just because of the lack of default gateway?

[17-Jun-2011 10:02:02] <dhopp> but show me that output that I asked for and we'll see if we can make sense of the network

[17-Jun-2011 10:02:19] <nate1> because other machines can see and send snmp traffic to zenoss on the same network

[17-Jun-2011 10:02:19] <dhopp> nate1:  no

[17-Jun-2011 10:02:26] <dhopp> ok

[17-Jun-2011 10:02:44] <dhopp> nate1:  I need to see the output of those commands so I can make sense of the network

[17-Jun-2011 10:03:05] <nate1> what is a goo way to copy data from a command prompt

[17-Jun-2011 10:03:23] <dhopp> right click on the title bar..choose "mark"

[17-Jun-2011 10:03:37] <dhopp> then highlight what you want..right click on the title bar choose "copy"

[17-Jun-2011 10:05:29] <Hackman238> Wow busy in here

[17-Jun-2011 10:05:31] <Hackman238> LOL

[17-Jun-2011 10:05:54] <dhopp> Hackman238:  it's back log from the last couple of days of quiet in here

[17-Jun-2011 10:06:12] <nate1> I tried to spice things up

[17-Jun-2011 10:06:15] <nate1> with my lame problems

[17-Jun-2011 10:06:15] <nate1> :-p

[17-Jun-2011 10:07:39] <nate1> pastebin.com/hEFEVXTn

[17-Jun-2011 10:07:45] <nate1> I removed a few numbers

[17-Jun-2011 10:07:52] <nate1> to conserve some anonymity

[17-Jun-2011 10:07:58] <nate1> and I didn't think they were as critical

[17-Jun-2011 10:08:01] <nate1> unless you say otherwise

[17-Jun-2011 10:08:07] <nate1> but, I will be back asap

[17-Jun-2011 10:08:12] <nate1> gotta go troubleshoot something'

[17-Jun-2011 10:08:28] <Hackman238> LOL

[17-Jun-2011 10:08:50] * fragfutter . o O (like not enough coffee in his cup)

[17-Jun-2011 10:09:31] <dhopp> nate1:  ok..that's the windows server…can you do ip addr on the zenoss server?

[17-Jun-2011 10:11:48] <dhopp> I go on vacation a week from tomorrow..but I think my brain has already gone on vacation..heh

[17-Jun-2011 10:12:27] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL

[17-Jun-2011 10:13:15] <dhopp> and I need this vacation…my tolerance for stupid is at an all time low

[17-Jun-2011 10:16:05] <Hackman238> dhopp *left hand shakes as he recalls where he left his bag full of SCSI disks fow which to blugern walkup requestors*

[17-Jun-2011 10:16:56] <dhopp> Hackman238:  LOL

[17-Jun-2011 10:18:11] <dhopp> Hackman238:  we are dealing with a third party for one of our clients…and the third party is installing THEIR software on the client servers.  When it doesn't work their response is to "uninstall and reboot and try again"

[17-Jun-2011 10:18:18] <dhopp> Hackman238:  the servers are linux

[17-Jun-2011 10:18:52] <dhopp> Hackman238:  and we followed THEIR documentation and setup some sysctl values..and they told us to undo them..uhm but your docs say they are necessary?

[17-Jun-2011 10:20:06] <fragfutter> dhopp: but they are only necessary if you install on tuesday, on friday you need a different value

[17-Jun-2011 10:20:17] <dhopp> fragfutter:  apparently

[17-Jun-2011 10:20:57] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL

[17-Jun-2011 10:21:36] <dhopp> fragfutter:  I really think the guy they have doing the install is a Windows guy…I fought with them because they wanted me to install package groups in which was going to install 109 rpms…I told them they need to tell me what they need out of that group and they couldn't do it…so I spent like 4 hours and figured out that out of the 109 rpms, they need 7

[17-Jun-2011 10:25:27] <nate1> ok back

[17-Jun-2011 10:25:49] <dhopp> nate1: can you show the output of ip addr on the zenoss machine?

[17-Jun-2011 10:25:58] <nate1> so you want an ipconfig from zenoss machine?

[17-Jun-2011 10:26:05] <nate1> its ifconfig in linux, right?

[17-Jun-2011 10:26:14] <dhopp> if you can do "ip addr" that would be better

[17-Jun-2011 10:26:32] <nate1> ok

[17-Jun-2011 10:27:49] <nate1> http://pastebin.com/J0493e4e

[17-Jun-2011 10:29:21] <dhopp> the zenoss server doesn't have an ip that is in any of the same subnets as the windows server...

[17-Jun-2011 10:29:29] <dhopp> so...

[17-Jun-2011 10:29:47] <dhopp> there has to be a router somewhere...

[17-Jun-2011 10:29:52] <nate1> yeah

[17-Jun-2011 10:29:53] <nate1> somewhere

[17-Jun-2011 10:29:57] <nate1> lol

[17-Jun-2011 10:30:03] <dhopp> you said you have another windows machine that is working?

[17-Jun-2011 10:30:10] <nate1> I am just not sure which of our routers it is going through

[17-Jun-2011 10:30:17] <nate1> we have several ones that go through a few different routers

[17-Jun-2011 10:30:19] <fragfutter> nate1: trace it

[17-Jun-2011 10:30:34] <nate1> when I trace to that server from my machine, it doesn't have any hops

[17-Jun-2011 10:30:37] <nate1> just straight there

[17-Jun-2011 10:30:45] <dhopp> nate1:  if you have another windows machine…look at the output of "route print" on the two windows machines

[17-Jun-2011 10:30:58] <nate1> ok

[17-Jun-2011 10:31:03] <nate1> I want to run what on which machine?

[17-Jun-2011 10:31:13] <dhopp> nate1:  I wonder if there is a permanent static route added…so you will see a route for 10.220.118

[17-Jun-2011 10:31:29] <nate1> hmmm

[17-Jun-2011 10:31:30] <dhopp> nate1:  first..do you have another windows machine that zenoss IS monitoring?

[17-Jun-2011 10:31:42] <nate1> I tracerouted from my machine to zenoss and am getting a lot of hops

[17-Jun-2011 10:31:45] <nate1> I do

[17-Jun-2011 10:31:51] <nate1> trace route from there to zenoss?

[17-Jun-2011 10:32:06] <dhopp> nate1:  ok..run "route print" on each windows machine…the one that is working and the one that isn't

[17-Jun-2011 10:35:00] <nate1> ok

[17-Jun-2011 10:35:03] <nate1> just type route print?

[17-Jun-2011 10:35:25] <dhopp> yes

[17-Jun-2011 10:35:29] <nate1> ok

[17-Jun-2011 10:35:30] <nate1> did it

[17-Jun-2011 10:35:31] <nate1> on bot

[17-Jun-2011 10:36:00] <dhopp> on the windows machine that is working..do you see a specific entry for 10.220.x.x ?

[17-Jun-2011 10:36:15] <ryker> is there a way to autodiscover either a range or list of ip's or even a single IP from the command line?

[17-Jun-2011 10:36:58] <nate1> in network destinations?

[17-Jun-2011 10:37:00] <nate1> yes

[17-Jun-2011 10:37:07] <nate1> there is a 10.2290.x.x

[17-Jun-2011 10:37:12] <nate1> gateway, 151

[17-Jun-2011 10:37:19] <dhopp> wait..what is the destination?

[17-Jun-2011 10:37:26] <dhopp> 10.229 or 10.220?

[17-Jun-2011 10:37:28] <nate1> 10.220.x.x

[17-Jun-2011 10:37:34] <nate1> there iosn't a 10.229

[17-Jun-2011 10:37:35] <nate1> :-\

[17-Jun-2011 10:37:47] <dhopp> and what is the gateway?

[17-Jun-2011 10:37:48] <fragfutter> ryker: zendisc

[17-Jun-2011 10:37:52] <nate1> gateway, 151

[17-Jun-2011 10:37:59] <nate1> which is one of our routers

[17-Jun-2011 10:38:03] <nate1> our main ones are 150, 151

[17-Jun-2011 10:38:03] <dhopp> nate1:  in which subnet?

[17-Jun-2011 10:38:04] <dhopp> 192.168?

[17-Jun-2011 10:38:14] <nate1> yes, 192.168

[17-Jun-2011 10:38:22] <dhopp> is that route on the windows machine that isn't working?

[17-Jun-2011 10:38:26] <nate1> no

[17-Jun-2011 10:38:29] <dhopp> ok...

[17-Jun-2011 10:38:29] <ryker> fragfutter: is there any doc on how to use it at the command line?  zendisc -h just shows that it's a daemon.

[17-Jun-2011 10:38:31] <fragfutter> ryker: zendisc run --now --deviceclass=/Server/Something -d ip

[17-Jun-2011 10:38:57] <fragfutter> ryker: zendisc run -h

[17-Jun-2011 10:39:01] <ryker> fragfutter: ah, ty.  is there a help option that I can see those run options

[17-Jun-2011 10:39:04] <ryker> LOL

[17-Jun-2011 10:39:13] <ryker> fragfutter: ty.  i type slower than you answer.

[17-Jun-2011 10:39:27] <nate1> ok

[17-Jun-2011 10:39:29] <dhopp> nate1: on the windows machine that isn't working try: route add 10.220.x.x mask 255.255.x.x 192.168.x.151

[17-Jun-2011 10:39:31] <nate1> looking at that pastebin

[17-Jun-2011 10:39:40] <dhopp> nate1:  change 'x' to whatever the output of route print showed

[17-Jun-2011 10:39:45] <nate1> the inet on eth0 is the same entry as network destination in the route print

[17-Jun-2011 10:40:05] <nate1> it was a 10.220

[17-Jun-2011 10:40:12] <dhopp> right

[17-Jun-2011 10:40:22] <nate1> will brb

[17-Jun-2011 10:40:24] <nate1> support again

[17-Jun-2011 10:40:28] <nate1> will let you nkow how it turns out

[17-Jun-2011 10:51:00] <dhopp> Hackman238:  adding custom schema entries shouldn't make upgrades more difficult should they?

[17-Jun-2011 10:55:51] <Hackman238> dhopp: shouldnt

[17-Jun-2011 10:56:02] <nate1> ok

[17-Jun-2011 10:56:04] <nate1> I added it noq

[17-Jun-2011 10:56:06] <nate1> noqw

[17-Jun-2011 10:56:07] <nate1> *now

[17-Jun-2011 10:56:22] <dhopp> nate1:  can you snmpwalk from the zenoss machine?

[17-Jun-2011 10:57:38] <dhopp> Hackman238:  is there a way to default the "add device" so "localhost" is NOT the default collector?

[17-Jun-2011 10:57:40] <ryker> fragfutter: do you happen to know what the —routers switch does? I mean, what does it consider a router?  Do switches count as routers?

[17-Jun-2011 10:58:17] <nate1> no it doesn't appear so:(

[17-Jun-2011 10:58:33] <dhopp> can you ping from the zenoss machien?

[17-Jun-2011 10:58:35] <dhopp> machine

[17-Jun-2011 10:58:40] <fragfutter> ryker: without looking into the source, no.

[17-Jun-2011 10:58:53] <nate1> ping works

[17-Jun-2011 10:59:11] <ryker> fragfutter: ok.  thx

[17-Jun-2011 10:59:21] <dhopp> nate1:  did ping work before?

[17-Jun-2011 10:59:32] <nate1> yes

[17-Jun-2011 10:59:59] <dhopp> nate1:  I'm confused…there is no way that ping worked before based on the info that I saw

[17-Jun-2011 11:00:15] <nate1> well

[17-Jun-2011 11:00:20] <nate1> pinging 192.168.0.21

[17-Jun-2011 11:00:21] <nate1> worked

[17-Jun-2011 11:00:44] <nate1> ok

[17-Jun-2011 11:00:45] <nate1> 1.21 works now

[17-Jun-2011 11:00:48] <nate1> and didnt before

[17-Jun-2011 11:00:53] <nate1> let me snmpwalk that ip

[17-Jun-2011 11:01:14] <nate1> sweet

[17-Jun-2011 11:01:18] <nate1> looks like I am getting stuff now

[17-Jun-2011 11:01:19] <dhopp> 0.21 isn't even on that windows server

[17-Jun-2011 11:01:23] <dhopp> ok..

[17-Jun-2011 11:01:27] <nate1> let me chnge the device in zenoss core now

[17-Jun-2011 11:01:36] <dhopp> nate1: that route add command isn't going to be permanent..so you will lose it on reboot

[17-Jun-2011 11:01:58] <fragfutter> ryker: routers are read from the existing configuration in zenoss.

[17-Jun-2011 11:02:04] <dhopp> you will need to add -p option to make it stay after reboot

[17-Jun-2011 11:03:26] <ryker> fragfutter: not sure what that means.  So it makes it only discover routers that are already in zenoss?

[17-Jun-2011 11:04:15] <nate1> any idea why that route may not have been added?

[17-Jun-2011 11:04:40] <dhopp> nate1:  that's dependent on how this server was setup..no way for me to know...

[17-Jun-2011 11:04:44] <nate1> ok

[17-Jun-2011 11:05:18] <dhopp> nate1: but just remember as it stands right now, when that windows machine reboots you will lose the route and monitoring will break

[17-Jun-2011 11:05:18] <ryker> fragfutter: I took a peek at the source code and it looked like it would only add devices that would end up under /Network/Routers

[17-Jun-2011 11:05:26] <nate1> ok

[17-Jun-2011 11:05:28] <fragfutter> ryker: the modeller in zenoss for an existing device will find all routes defined on that device. From these routes it can gather the IP Adresses of the routers.

[17-Jun-2011 11:05:36] <nate1> but there is a switch that should make it permanent/

[17-Jun-2011 11:05:58] <dhopp> nate1:  yes:  route -p add 10.220.x.x netmask 255.255.x.x 192.168.x.151

[17-Jun-2011 11:05:59] <ryker> fragfutter: ah, ok

[17-Jun-2011 11:06:09] <ryker> fragfutter: thank you again

[17-Jun-2011 11:06:11] <dhopp> nate1:  however, you might need to delete the existing route first

[17-Jun-2011 11:06:17] <nate1> awesome

[17-Jun-2011 11:06:19] <fragfutter> ryker: but i never used that.

[17-Jun-2011 11:06:22] <nate1> adding the device to zenoss core

[17-Jun-2011 11:06:29] <dhopp> nate1: so route delete 10.220.x.x

[17-Jun-2011 11:06:31] <nate1> so hope it works

[17-Jun-2011 11:06:31] <nate1> :

[17-Jun-2011 11:06:45] <dhopp> nate1: then route -p add 10.220.x.x netmask 255.255.x.x 192.168.x.151

[17-Jun-2011 11:07:58] <nate1> hrm

[17-Jun-2011 11:08:11] <nate1> now it is saying bad gateway address netmark

[17-Jun-2011 11:08:20] <dhopp> oops

[17-Jun-2011 11:08:29] <nate1> ooops

[17-Jun-2011 11:08:31] <nate1> mask not netmask

[17-Jun-2011 11:08:32] <nate1> lol

[17-Jun-2011 11:08:34] <dhopp> route -p add 10.220.x.x mask 255.255.x.x 192.168.x.151

[17-Jun-2011 11:08:35] <dhopp> yeah

[17-Jun-2011 11:17:01] <nate1> no errors cropped up yet!@

[17-Jun-2011 11:17:03] <nate1> I think that got it

[17-Jun-2011 11:17:10] <nate1> so, I can add that route manually

[17-Jun-2011 11:17:12] <nate1> if needed

[17-Jun-2011 11:17:14] <nate1>

[17-Jun-2011 11:20:14] <subbu> Hi all i am unable to model teh device getting the error as passowrd expired i even reset the paassword but no luck can any one please help me out in this

[17-Jun-2011 11:24:40] <dhopp> subbu:  did you try to restart zenmodeler daemon after resetting the password?

[17-Jun-2011 11:24:55] <subbu> yeah

[17-Jun-2011 11:25:08] <dhopp> subbu:  are you modeling a windows machine?

[17-Jun-2011 11:25:58] <subbu> its a solaris box

[17-Jun-2011 11:26:07] <dhopp> oh..hrm

[17-Jun-2011 11:27:49] <subbu> @dhopp:is there any way to fix this

[17-Jun-2011 11:28:28] <dhopp> subbu:  are you using ssh to monitor/model this solaris machine?

[17-Jun-2011 11:28:34] <subbu> yeah

[17-Jun-2011 11:28:52] <subbu> i am usig ssh to model the device

[17-Jun-2011 11:29:04] <dhopp> subbu:  it sounds like the solaris machine still thinks the password is expired

[17-Jun-2011 11:29:53] <subbu> so do i need to reset the password to different one

[17-Jun-2011 11:30:38] <dhopp> subbu:  I thought you said you changed the password already?

[17-Jun-2011 11:31:19] <subbu> it means he reset too same passowrd

[17-Jun-2011 11:33:58] <dhopp> subbu:  you may need to change it to a different password..or look into the chage utility to change the expiry date

[17-Jun-2011 11:34:33] <subbu> k

[17-Jun-2011 11:34:37] <subbu> will try it

[17-Jun-2011 11:35:15] <subbu> in the past we disabled the zenmodlere in zenoss will it impact to this

[17-Jun-2011 11:40:54] <jmp242>  does anyone get Windows processes in 3.x?

[17-Jun-2011 11:41:16] <jmp242> In 2.5.x they used to show up, even if you didn't monitor them - and the windows services do still

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[17-Jun-2011 12:08:03] <dhopp> Hackman238:  *poke*

[17-Jun-2011 12:08:19] <dhopp> or rocket: *poke*

[17-Jun-2011 12:09:32] <rocket> thwap! this is NOT facebook!

[17-Jun-2011 12:09:39] <dhopp> rocket:  lol

[17-Jun-2011 12:09:51] <Hackman238> dhopp: Whats up?

[17-Jun-2011 12:09:53] <dhopp> rocket:  is there a way to set the default collect to something other then "localhost"

[17-Jun-2011 12:10:13] <dhopp> in a distributed collector setup

[17-Jun-2011 12:10:19] <rocket> no not that I am aware of

[17-Jun-2011 12:10:39] <rocket> not without finding the code and changing it .. its not user changeable at this time

[17-Jun-2011 12:10:49] <Hackman238> dhopp: Have to patch the code

[17-Jun-2011 12:11:04] <Hackman238> dhopp: I forget where it is, but you can grep for it in Products.

[17-Jun-2011 12:11:12] <Hackman238> dhopp: Just becareful and do in test env

[17-Jun-2011 12:11:33] <rocket> remote collectors are in need of a redesign for some of these items ..

[17-Jun-2011 12:11:34] <dhopp> damn..ok..I'll probably write a script that maybe creates an event if more then 'x' devices are tied to 'localhost' :-)

[17-Jun-2011 12:14:05] <rocket> dhopp: from a core perspective we dont support remote collectors at all

[17-Jun-2011 12:14:26] <dhopp> rocket:  right I know

[17-Jun-2011 12:14:48] <rocket> dhopp: in that case localhost is the only one that makes sense from a Zenoss, Inc. perspective

[17-Jun-2011 12:15:00] <rocket> obviously we are aware of the community zenpack

[17-Jun-2011 12:15:43] <Hackman238> rocket: the core pack has ups and downs.

[17-Jun-2011 12:16:05] <dhopp> rocket:  but I thought maybe there was a decently easy way..but I don't want to patch code if I don't have to since that makes upgrades less straight forward…shouldn't be too hard to write a script that gets the devices tied to 'localhost' and if greater then 'x' generate an event

[17-Jun-2011 12:16:11] <Hackman238> rocket: ...I've found it has problems with cleaning up rels during collector add/del

[17-Jun-2011 12:16:35] <dhopp> Hackman238:  did you mention it to bigegor?

[17-Jun-2011 12:17:01] <Hackman238> dhopp: I havent had a chance- its on my list to do

[17-Jun-2011 12:17:08] <dhopp> Hackman238:  and you are trying to do something that collectors get added/deleted often right?

[17-Jun-2011 12:17:27] <Sam-I-Am> moo.

[17-Jun-2011 12:17:30] <Hackman238> * glances at to do booklet of 6 full pages *

[17-Jun-2011 12:17:43] <Hackman238> dhopp: yep

[17-Jun-2011 12:17:49] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Hey

[17-Jun-2011 12:18:32] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I'm hoping that once I setup Zenoss (will have 2 distributed collectors) I don't have to add/delete a collector but maybe once a year or 2 :-)

[17-Jun-2011 12:18:48] <dhopp> Hackman238:  where as you'll do that in a day :_)

[17-Jun-2011 12:18:50] <dhopp> :-)

[17-Jun-2011 12:19:14] <Hackman238> dhopp:

[17-Jun-2011 12:19:43] <Hackman238> dhopp: I've found the dist collector pack to buckle under testing of my auto scaling zenoss platform

[17-Jun-2011 12:20:17] <rocket> Hackman238: the enterprise one or the egor based one?

[17-Jun-2011 12:20:19] <Hackman238> dhopp: collectors get added and removed very often to maintain balance and automagically scale to the demand

[17-Jun-2011 12:20:26] <Hackman238> rocket: egors

[17-Jun-2011 12:20:39] <dhopp> Hackman238:  yeah..something I'm not worried about doing (yet)

[17-Jun-2011 12:20:45] <Hackman238> rocket: The ent one has differnt methods and hasnt given me an issue

[17-Jun-2011 12:21:29] <dhopp> Hackman238:  and I know it's not that hard to add a distributed collector manually (would be fairly easy to script) I like the fact that egor's pack will rsync the rrd files with the device

[17-Jun-2011 12:21:30] <rocket> though as we improve code quality needing to scale collectors *should* go down

[17-Jun-2011 12:22:09] <dhopp> rocket:  well if you are using enterprise :-P

[17-Jun-2011 12:22:18] <Hackman238> rocket: Aye- proven already

[17-Jun-2011 12:23:04] <rocket> dhopp: I am just trying to be careful on what is mentioned here re core vs enterprise.

[17-Jun-2011 12:23:30] <rocket> dhopp: as I dont know the plans yet and Bill hasnt released the doc Nick is mentioning to the community as of yet.

[17-Jun-2011 12:23:49] <rocket> dhopp: I dont want to say something that ends up not being true etc ..

[17-Jun-2011 12:24:25] <rocket> dhopp: I do know that the scheduled core 3.1.1 release will perform significantly better as well.  Just due to a zenhub invalidation queue patch

[17-Jun-2011 12:26:04] <Hackman238> dhopp: Aye, I have the patch and it serisouly unfuxors zenhub floods

[17-Jun-2011 12:26:15] <Hackman238> dhopp: backported to v2.5.2

[17-Jun-2011 12:27:29] <dhopp> rocket:  I'm not trying to get you to say anything...

[17-Jun-2011 12:27:47] <rocket> I wasnt trying to imply that either ...

[17-Jun-2011 12:27:59] <dhopp> rocket:  I'm just hoping 3.1.1 comes out before I'm ready to show zenoss off to more people...

[17-Jun-2011 12:28:52] <dhopp> Hackman238:  how do you suggest doing an upgrade in a distributed collector setup?  Do the main zenoss and then collectors?

[17-Jun-2011 12:29:15] <rocket> yes

[17-Jun-2011 12:29:39] <rocket> the collectors are really only touching rrd files etc anyway

[17-Jun-2011 12:29:56] <dhopp> rocket:  yeah but aren't they sending events back to zenhub?

[17-Jun-2011 12:32:26] <rocket> shutdown zenoss + collectors, upgrade zenoss master, start master, push updates to collectors, start collectors

[17-Jun-2011 12:32:39] <rocket> the collectors shouldnt be sending anything in that case

[17-Jun-2011 12:33:02] <kotique> how do I delete a custom property override?

[17-Jun-2011 12:33:06] <Hackman238> rocket: Exactly the way to do it

[17-Jun-2011 12:33:28] <dhopp> rocket:  right…I was just making sure I understood what you were saying with "they just touch rrd files".

[17-Jun-2011 12:33:32] <froztbyte> Hackman238: I think that was kinda the point of him typing it, so indicate that..

[17-Jun-2011 12:34:19] <froztbyte> s/so/to/

[17-Jun-2011 12:34:58] <Hackman238> LOL

[17-Jun-2011 12:35:18] <dhopp> kotique:  at the bottom of the page you should see "Delete Local Property", select the property you want to delete and choose "delete"

[17-Jun-2011 12:36:19] <kotique> dhopp, at the bottom of what?

[17-Jun-2011 12:36:44] <kotique> devicedetail#deviceDetailNav:devicecustomedit doesn't have it

[17-Jun-2011 12:37:25] <dhopp> kotique:  what version of zenoss?

[17-Jun-2011 12:37:26] <dhopp> 3.1?

[17-Jun-2011 12:37:44] <dhopp> and what property are you trying to override?

[17-Jun-2011 12:37:47] <dhopp> err

[17-Jun-2011 12:37:50] <dhopp> un-override?

[17-Jun-2011 12:37:58] <kotique>     Zenoss: Zenoss 3.1.0

[17-Jun-2011 12:38:07] <kotique> how do I delete a custom property override?

[17-Jun-2011 12:38:28] <kotique> looks like there's no possibility to do that in gui

[17-Jun-2011 12:38:37] <dhopp> what property did you override?

[17-Jun-2011 12:38:40] <kotique> tried to leave empty value, it errors out

[17-Jun-2011 12:38:47] <kotique> custom property

[17-Jun-2011 12:39:00] <dhopp> oh…I thought you meant zProperty

[17-Jun-2011 12:39:22] <dhopp> kotique:  that's a good question…I don't know then

[17-Jun-2011 12:39:36] <kotique> they can be accessed like zproperties, but no gui to delete overrides

[17-Jun-2011 12:39:49] <kotique> alrighty

[17-Jun-2011 12:43:04] <dhopp> kotique: I just tried this….I created a custom property called cTest…At Devices->Server I set the value to Test2, at Devices->Server->Linux I set it to Test…verified the two were different…I then on Linux selected cTest and chose "Delete" and cTest on Linux is now set to Test2

[17-Jun-2011 12:43:12] <dhopp> kotique:  is that what you wanted?

[17-Jun-2011 12:44:07] <kotique> where did you selelct it?

[17-Jun-2011 12:44:29] <dhopp> There is a checkbox next to it

[17-Jun-2011 12:44:29] <kotique> i only have "save" button on "custom properties" page

[17-Jun-2011 12:44:33] <dhopp> oh

[17-Jun-2011 12:44:43] <dhopp> what role are you?

[17-Jun-2011 12:44:48] <dhopp> ZenManager or Manager?

[17-Jun-2011 12:45:10] <kotique> ZenUser, Manager, ZenManager

[17-Jun-2011 12:45:18] <dhopp> hrmmm

[17-Jun-2011 12:45:24] <kotique> i can delete zproperties overrides

[17-Jun-2011 12:45:57] <kotique> i'm not talking abou classes, but devices

[17-Jun-2011 12:46:19] <kotique> "custom schema" has "delete" button

[17-Jun-2011 12:47:11] <dhopp> kotique:  ok?

[17-Jun-2011 12:47:38] <dhopp> ahhhh

[17-Jun-2011 12:47:40] <dhopp> I see

[17-Jun-2011 12:47:43] <dhopp> that seems like a bug

[17-Jun-2011 12:47:59] <dhopp> rocket?

[17-Jun-2011 12:48:07] <dhopp> have you seen this before?

[17-Jun-2011 12:48:40] <dhopp> you can override a custom property at a device level, but you can't delete it from a device level.

[17-Jun-2011 12:49:13] <bigegor> hi all

[17-Jun-2011 12:49:23] <dhopp> bigegor:  hola

[17-Jun-2011 12:55:46] <dhopp> kotique:  it looks like this may be fixed in 3.1.1

[17-Jun-2011 12:55:47] <dhopp> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7834

[17-Jun-2011 12:56:29] <bigegor> was relstorage code in zenoss first relased under GPL license?

[17-Jun-2011 12:57:19] <dhopp> bigegor:  what I know of that debacle was it was originally done in the community svn..and then they went "oops" and removed it

[17-Jun-2011 12:57:28] <dhopp> bigegor:  I don't know if it was ever "released"

[17-Jun-2011 12:59:20] <bigegor> hmm... community svn, looks promising...

[17-Jun-2011 13:00:06] <dhopp> bigegor:  and my details are extremely vague..so I don't know if I can help much

[17-Jun-2011 13:02:45] <kotique> it aint a big deal, you'd better fix zenoss.snmp.NewDeviceMap error

[17-Jun-2011 13:03:13] <dhopp> kotique:  I better?

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[17-Jun-2011 13:16:23] <rocket> bigegor: it has not been released as a product

[17-Jun-2011 13:17:18] <bigegor> rockt: also not in Enterprise?

[17-Jun-2011 13:19:42] <rocket> bigegor: the enterprise release containing that code has not been released yet

[17-Jun-2011 13:20:38] <kotique> thread/14559

[17-Jun-2011 13:20:57] <bigegor> rocket: i'll try to describe my point.

[17-Jun-2011 13:22:56] <rocket> sorry I have to run ..

[17-Jun-2011 13:23:04] <rocket> and bigegor I am not legal..

[17-Jun-2011 13:23:49] <bigegor> rocket: thanks for answers

[17-Jun-2011 13:46:55] <Hackman238> Anyone know if there is a fg mode for zeo?

[17-Jun-2011 13:53:06] <rmatte> Hackman238: this page references running zope in the foreground: http://plone.org/documentation/kb/debugging-tips-and-tricks-a-real-life-example/tutorial-all-pages

[17-Jun-2011 13:53:12] <nate1> Does anyone have suggestions for monitoring FTP metrics? Such as connections, time, etc?

[17-Jun-2011 13:53:23] <Hackman238> rmatte: yeah, but can zeo?

[17-Jun-2011 13:53:25] <rmatte> then again it mentions plone, so that is probably not relevant

[17-Jun-2011 13:53:37] <rmatte> well, plone uses zope does it not?

[17-Jun-2011 13:54:04] <Hackman238> yeah, but zeo comes before zope. test zeo is exploding

[17-Jun-2011 13:54:10] <rmatte> ah

[17-Jun-2011 13:54:38] <rmatte> http://plone.org/documentation/kb/debugging-tips-and-tricks-a-real-life-example/oh-server-where-art-thou

[17-Jun-2011 13:54:44] <rmatte> that's about running zeo in the foreground

[17-Jun-2011 13:55:10] <rmatte> $path/zeoserver fg

[17-Jun-2011 13:55:20] <Hackman238> oh nice

[17-Jun-2011 13:55:21] <Hackman238> thnkx

[17-Jun-2011 13:55:30] <rmatte> hmmm

[17-Jun-2011 13:55:37] <rmatte> just noticed something in that article

[17-Jun-2011 13:55:41] <rmatte> "What I found is that the ZEO server runs silently, even in the foreground."

[17-Jun-2011 13:55:57] <rmatte> that's dumb

[17-Jun-2011 13:56:44] <rmatte> worth a shot anyways

[17-Jun-2011 13:57:48] <Hackman238> ha!

[17-Jun-2011 13:57:50] <Hackman238> Got it

[17-Jun-2011 13:57:53] <Hackman238> zeoctl

[17-Jun-2011 13:58:00] <Hackman238> then at the prompt fg

[17-Jun-2011 13:58:02] <Hackman238> ;-)

[17-Jun-2011 13:58:58] <rmatte> cool

[17-Jun-2011 14:12:58] <Hackman238> rmatte: Upgrading zope in a test zenoss

[17-Jun-2011 14:36:49] <rmatte> ah

[17-Jun-2011 14:50:52] <Hackman238> shit. looks like I'll need to move zenoss 2.5.2 to py2.6

[17-Jun-2011 14:50:54] <Hackman238> lol

[17-Jun-2011 14:51:08] <Hackman238> ls

[17-Jun-2011 14:51:43] <dhopp1>  bin   dev  home  lib64       media

[17-Jun-2011 14:52:06] <Hackman238> dhopp1: LOL

[17-Jun-2011 14:52:26] <dhopp1> Hackman238:  apparently your machine is screwed..no etc

[17-Jun-2011 14:52:27] <dhopp1> lol

[17-Jun-2011 14:52:29] * dhopp1 dhopp

[17-Jun-2011 14:52:34] <dhopp1> oops

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[17-Jun-2011 15:20:11] <uifjlh1> I'm fighting with a ZenPack / MIB for a Powerware UPS, anyone every used these ?

[17-Jun-2011 15:35:18] <gwb235> yes

[17-Jun-2011 15:35:30] <gwb235> in 2.5.2

[17-Jun-2011 15:36:16] <gwb235> no problems i can recall

[17-Jun-2011 15:37:00] <rmatte> I'm trying to create a mapping under /Service/WinService that applies to any event coming in under that class (it's more organized than putting it right under the class)...

[17-Jun-2011 15:37:05] <uifjlh1> I am getting data on some objects, but I'm getting errors on some data probes... (checking)

[17-Jun-2011 15:37:10] <rmatte> but I tried using defaultmapping as the class key and it doesn't work

[17-Jun-2011 15:37:19] <rmatte> is there actually a way to do this or an I wasting my time?

[17-Jun-2011 15:38:08] <gwb235> it's all SNMP OID data sources?

[17-Jun-2011 15:38:35] <rmatte> gwb235: what kind of errors?

[17-Jun-2011 15:38:41] <gwb235> one command data source for upsStatus

[17-Jun-2011 15:38:46] <gwb235> but all are working for me

[17-Jun-2011 15:39:00] <gwb235> rmatte: no problems here, just responding to uifjlh1

[17-Jun-2011 15:39:08] <rmatte> yeh, just realized that

[17-Jun-2011 15:39:13] <rmatte> uifjlh1: what errors?

[17-Jun-2011 15:40:45] <uifjlh1> looking it up , the zenperfsnmp is getting a dedupid error

[17-Jun-2011 15:41:03] <uifjlh1> Battery Capacity|/Perf/Snmp||1|Error reading value for \"Battery  Capacity\" on uifups.uifoundation.org (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.534.1.2.4 is  bad)

[17-Jun-2011 15:41:18] <rmatte> add a .0 on the end of that OID

[17-Jun-2011 15:41:42] <uifjlh1> ditto on this one ...          Error reading value for "Ambient Temperature" on uifups.uifoundation.org (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.534.1.6.1 is bad)

[17-Jun-2011 15:41:43] <rmatte> and if that doesn't work, it means that the person who created the ZenPack was polling a value that changes from device to device and didn't know what they were doing

[17-Jun-2011 15:41:51] <uifjlh1> ... where do I edit that value ?

[17-Jun-2011 15:41:57] <rmatte> in the template

[17-Jun-2011 15:42:08] <rmatte> (monitoring templates)

[17-Jun-2011 15:42:19] <gwb235> the ambient temp isn't included on all powerware devices (mine don't have it, so no value is available to poll)

[17-Jun-2011 15:42:28] <rmatte> ah

[17-Jun-2011 15:42:35] <rmatte> well then he'd just remove the datasource in that case

[17-Jun-2011 15:42:45] <gwb235> the battery capacity OID works for me though

[17-Jun-2011 15:42:47] <rmatte> though it is possible that the OID is just different

[17-Jun-2011 15:42:52] <rmatte> you can have dynamic OIDs...

[17-Jun-2011 15:43:02] <rmatte> for instance 1.2.3.4 might represent the actual sensor tree

[17-Jun-2011 15:43:06] <uifjlh1> OK, I"ll look & add the .0

[17-Jun-2011 15:43:19] <rmatte> and then within that you'll have 1.2.3.4.5 for temperatures and 1.2.3.4.6 for signals

[17-Jun-2011 15:43:28] <rmatte> then for signal sensor 1 you'd have 1.2.3.4.6.10

[17-Jun-2011 15:43:29] <gwb235> my powerware bits are all gathered via a ConnectUPS Card

[17-Jun-2011 15:43:31] <rmatte> or .26

[17-Jun-2011 15:43:32] <rmatte> who knows

[17-Jun-2011 15:43:43] <rmatte> so if it changes from device to device like that, a static template won't work properly

[17-Jun-2011 15:43:50] <gwb235> forget what the actual model of the UPS is though

[17-Jun-2011 15:44:11] <uifjlh1> yes, mine is there too, I had to update the firmware on the thing, to get it to show up, then I did load the MIB, that was fun!

[17-Jun-2011 15:44:27] <uifjlh1> but now I know how !

[17-Jun-2011 15:46:17] <uifjlh1> so I added the .0, did a test, which returned no errors on the snmpwalk, that's a good thing right ?

[17-Jun-2011 15:47:46] <gwb235> when you're looking at the template you can als use "test Against Device"

[17-Jun-2011 15:48:06] <gwb235> to make sure when zenoss does it everythings happy

[17-Jun-2011 15:49:58] <rmatte> uifjlh1: the snmpwalk is irrelevant since it doesn't care whether you're walking an exact OID or a tree of OIDs

[17-Jun-2011 15:50:09] <rmatte> the twisted library that Zenoss uses for snmp does care

[17-Jun-2011 15:50:10] <uifjlh1> got it

[17-Jun-2011 15:50:17] <rmatte> so wait and see if it starts gathering values

[17-Jun-2011 15:50:25] <rmatte> it'll take 3 polling cycles (15 minutes)

[17-Jun-2011 15:50:27] <gwb235> i.e. command line you should get something returned "SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.534.1.2.4.0 = INTEGER: 99"

[17-Jun-2011 15:50:52] <rmatte> gwb235: that's not always effectly

[17-Jun-2011 15:50:55] <rmatte> effective*

[17-Jun-2011 15:51:13] <nate1> On this page: docs/DOC-9824 It says that "Select the FTPMonitor template and change options as needed."

[17-Jun-2011 15:51:18] <uifjlh1> I cleared the errors & will see if i get better data

[17-Jun-2011 15:51:18] <nate1> How do I find those options?

[17-Jun-2011 15:51:25] <gwb235> and the "Test Against Device" will tell you what command zenoss is doing

[17-Jun-2011 15:51:30] <gwb235> I believe

[17-Jun-2011 15:51:32] <gwb235> maybe?

[17-Jun-2011 15:51:38] <nate1> Whenever I open the Monitoring Template, the only Data Source is FtpMonitor

[17-Jun-2011 15:51:42] <rmatte> for instance, I could walk: 1.2.3.4.5.6 and it could return only 1 value in 1 case, or 4 values on a different device... but for Zenoss to gather the data it has the be the exact OID

[17-Jun-2011 15:51:46] <uifjlh1> I'm getting some UPS data, just errors on 2 datapoints

[17-Jun-2011 15:51:53] <rmatte> so you have to change the OID to 1.2.3.4.5.6.0 in that case

[17-Jun-2011 15:52:09] <rmatte> you'll never be able to tell that there's a problem with snmpwalk

[17-Jun-2011 15:52:22] <rmatte> better to test with: zenperfsnmp run -v10 -d <devicename> if anything

[17-Jun-2011 15:52:27] <gwb235> true

[17-Jun-2011 15:54:23] <uifjlh1> new question, how to i change "event class" from /unknown ?

[17-Jun-2011 15:55:41] <uifjlh1> the object shows up as, "MSExchange Active Sync" for Component , but "/unknown" for Event Class ...

[17-Jun-2011 16:00:10] <gwb235> i usually go to the Events->Mappings tab, select the EventClass Mappings, drop down box and "move mappings"

[17-Jun-2011 16:01:08] <rmatte> gwb235: what does move mappings have to do with that?

[17-Jun-2011 16:01:28] <uifjlh1> OK ... I'll work with that, but what if the event's class is undefined ?

[17-Jun-2011 16:01:31] <gwb235> i don't know just trying to remap

[17-Jun-2011 16:01:35] <gwb235> from memory

[17-Jun-2011 16:01:43] <rmatte> uifjlh1: in the event details (if you double click on the event then expand the details), what does eventClassKey show up as for that event?

[17-Jun-2011 16:02:17] <rmatte> also, what is that event being generated from?

[17-Jun-2011 16:03:01] <uifjlh1> for instance one is          SnapDrive_134 .... a NetApp Backup Utility error

[17-Jun-2011 16:03:18] <rmatte> I'm asking what's generating them?

[17-Jun-2011 16:03:20] <rmatte> snmp traps

[17-Jun-2011 16:03:21] <rmatte> syslog

[17-Jun-2011 16:03:24] <rmatte> snmp poll

[17-Jun-2011 16:03:26] <rmatte> ?

[17-Jun-2011 16:03:53] <uifjlh1> agent is zeneventlog, from windows services

[17-Jun-2011 16:04:00] <uifjlh1> the data is |SnapDrive|||4|Failed to delete the Snapshot copy  (eloginfo__lcua68_03-28-2011_02.00.11) of the LUN (D)  on storage system  (lcua20) volume (vol

[17-Jun-2011 16:04:07] <rmatte> ok, so it's coming in via WMI

[17-Jun-2011 16:04:12] <uifjlh1> yup

[17-Jun-2011 16:04:14] <rmatte> what is eventClassKey in details?

[17-Jun-2011 16:04:48] <uifjlh1> eventClassKey SnapDrive_134

[17-Jun-2011 16:05:03] <rmatte> ok, so since it has an eventClassKey you can make an event mapping for it...

[17-Jun-2011 16:05:11] <rmatte> select that event (click on it so it's highlighted)

[17-Jun-2011 16:05:21] <rmatte> then click on the button that looks like an upside down candlestick

[17-Jun-2011 16:05:34] <rmatte> then select a class to put the mapping in

[17-Jun-2011 16:05:47] <rmatte> after you do that, the next time the event comes in it'll come in for that class

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[17-Jun-2011 16:06:06] <rmatte> you can also use the mapping to apply transforms to those events if need be

[17-Jun-2011 16:06:10] <uifjlh1> ok, & if I'd like a new event class ?

[17-Jun-2011 16:06:18] <rmatte> just create the event class

[17-Jun-2011 16:06:27] <gwb235> create the class first and then it should be an option to map into

[17-Jun-2011 16:06:34] <rmatte> exactly

[17-Jun-2011 16:06:39] <uifjlh1> got it ... TY

[17-Jun-2011 16:06:44] <rmatte> np

[17-Jun-2011 16:07:42] <uifjlh1> so I could create my own "NetApp" class

[17-Jun-2011 16:08:02] <uifjlh1> and attach those events to it

[17-Jun-2011 16:08:09] <rmatte> correct

[17-Jun-2011 16:10:02] <uifjlh1> & subclasses etc

[17-Jun-2011 16:10:53] <gwb235> or create a sub class under /Storage (if you have an environment that will expand)

[17-Jun-2011 16:11:11] <gwb235> we shove all EMC, NetApp, and Hitachi into /Storage so the storage admins can go to one place

[17-Jun-2011 16:11:57] <uifjlh1> OK, this is dedup backup magic that NetApp is doing on Exchange, it's a hybred

[17-Jun-2011 16:12:24] <Hackman238> *sigh* been a long day upgrading zope...

[17-Jun-2011 16:12:49] <uifjlh1> I'll look in the Storage Class too

[17-Jun-2011 16:12:53] <Hackman238> Bascially converting Zenoss 2.5.2 to python 2.6 with the same version of zope in Ava

[17-Jun-2011 16:13:18] <Simon4> Hackman238: that sounds like a world of !fun

[17-Jun-2011 16:13:46] <Simon4> trying to backport relstorage or something?

[17-Jun-2011 16:13:59] <Hackman238> Nein, thats easy.

[17-Jun-2011 16:14:26] <Hackman238> Trying to make 2.5.2 more efficient

[17-Jun-2011 16:14:50] <Hackman238> Fixing flood issues, correct blob handling, etc

[17-Jun-2011 16:23:02] <uifjlh1> Zenoss, actually created events based on the eventclasskey of the event... that's nice

[17-Jun-2011 16:23:31] <gwb235> yes, i forgot about the "upside down candlestick" method

[17-Jun-2011 16:24:16] <uifjlh1> I"ve got 10 new mappings

[17-Jun-2011 16:24:39] <dhopp> Hackman238:  wouldn't it be less painful to upgrade from 2.5.2 to 3.1 and then backport zope?

[17-Jun-2011 16:34:58] <gwb235> general question: how painful has people's experiences been with the 2.5.2 upgrade to 3.x?

[17-Jun-2011 16:35:51] <dhopp> gwb235:  I've never done it so I don't know...

[17-Jun-2011 16:40:25] <rmatte> gwb235: I did a test upgrade from 2.5.2 to 3.1 and it went fine

[17-Jun-2011 16:54:28] <Hackman238> success!!!

[17-Jun-2011 16:54:31] <Hackman238> ahahaha

[17-Jun-2011 16:55:40] <Hackman238> Later all

[17-Jun-2011 18:41:43] <Sam-I-Am> moo.

[17-Jun-2011 19:11:35] <froztbyte> moo.

[17-Jun-2011 19:13:19] <Sam-I-Am> sup

[17-Jun-2011 19:13:37] <froztbyte> most stuff

[17-Jun-2011 19:14:07] <froztbyte> except my one client who got shut down for nonpayment and someone didn't ack the alert

[17-Jun-2011 19:14:19] <Sam-I-Am> oops

[17-Jun-2011 19:14:33] <froztbyte> (after I'd asked them to do so, twice)

[17-Jun-2011 19:14:47] <froztbyte> so yeah, I'll just slap some people around on monday

[17-Jun-2011 19:14:57] <froztbyte> and I also think the clickatel credits are finished

[17-Jun-2011 19:15:10] <froztbyte> </care><flu>

[17-Jun-2011 19:28:39] <Sam-I-Am> flu?

[17-Jun-2011 19:30:48] <froztbyte> yeah..I'm the only person in the office who hasn't been hit by the most recent strain, thanks to my generally freakishly strong immunity

[17-Jun-2011 19:31:20] <froztbyte> but most of my friday I'd felt the initial warning effects that indicate I might have full-on flu soon. incubation stages, I guess

[17-Jun-2011 19:31:39] <froztbyte> so I'm doing the equivalent of orbital bombardment to it before it gets a proper foothold

[17-Jun-2011 19:34:16] <Sam-I-Am> ew

[17-Jun-2011 19:34:34] <Sam-I-Am> out of flu season here... this year wasnt too bad

[17-Jun-2011 19:37:00] <froztbyte> haha

[17-Jun-2011 19:37:16] <froztbyte> I'd just really prefer to not get full-on flu

[17-Jun-2011 19:37:28] <froztbyte> one of the upsides of strong immunity is I rarely get sick

[17-Jun-2011 19:38:03] <froztbyte> one of the downsides is that whatever makes it through beats me to the ground, stomps on my face and then starts riverdancing all over me. and that's its warmup

[17-Jun-2011 19:39:59] <Sam-I-Am> i'm the same way

[17-Jun-2011 19:40:03] <Sam-I-Am> when it happens, look out

[17-Jun-2011 20:23:21] <gjohn> I'm trying to bind a template in Zenoss 3 but can't seem to find how, is there anyone here that can offer some advice?

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[20-Jun-2011 09:05:55] <Hackman238> Hello all

[20-Jun-2011 09:23:22] <JohnnyNoc> morning HackMan238

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[20-Jun-2011 09:33:59] <Hackman238> Same to you! how goes the war?

[20-Jun-2011 09:34:33] <JohnnyNoc> which one?  i believe we're in 7 concurrently

[20-Jun-2011 09:34:37] <JohnnyNoc> >:)

[20-Jun-2011 09:35:26] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: LOL.

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[20-Jun-2011 09:49:16] <dhopp> 5 days, 4 hours and 11 minutes until I'm on an airplane to vacation bliss…

[20-Jun-2011 09:49:19] <dhopp> not that I'm counting

[20-Jun-2011 09:50:39] <Hackman238> dhopp: Definately not

[20-Jun-2011 09:51:05] <JohnnyNoc> i hope they give you little umbrellas for your drink wherever it is you're going

[20-Jun-2011 09:51:05] <JohnnyNoc>

[20-Jun-2011 09:51:33] <dhopp> JohnnyNoc: I don't think Disney world does that..LOL

[20-Jun-2011 09:51:35] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: "The little umbrella is what makes it a tom collins!" - Roger, American Dad

[20-Jun-2011 09:51:58] <dhopp> JohnnyNoc: It's a family vacation…so going to have a 3 year old and a 8 month old..

[20-Jun-2011 09:52:19] <dhopp> JohnnyNoc: but the key is I won't be in the office

[20-Jun-2011 09:52:23] <Hackman238> dhopp: Oh my...doesn't sound like a vacation to me.

[20-Jun-2011 09:52:32] <JohnnyNoc> hrm

[20-Jun-2011 09:52:35] <Hackman238> dhopp: True true

[20-Jun-2011 09:52:42] <JohnnyNoc> well, i hope there are some females around your age too

[20-Jun-2011 09:52:46] <JohnnyNoc> perhaps even a little younger

[20-Jun-2011 09:52:47] <JohnnyNoc> :X

[20-Jun-2011 09:53:21] <dhopp> JohnnyNoc: LOL…there will be..my wife :-)

[20-Jun-2011 09:53:31] <JohnnyNoc> ha ha

[20-Jun-2011 09:53:39] <rocket> http://www.theonion.com/articles/disney-raises-theme-park-admission,20743/

[20-Jun-2011 09:54:11] <Hackman238> dhopp: Oh my...not a vacation AT ALL...LOL

[20-Jun-2011 09:54:35] <JohnnyNoc> he will be out of the office which seems to be all he's concerned about

[20-Jun-2011 09:54:35] <JohnnyNoc>

[20-Jun-2011 09:55:13] <dhopp> Hackman238:  it will be good…going to see my brother and sister (haven't seen my brother since I got married 7 years ago, sister I haven't seen in 3 years)

[20-Jun-2011 09:55:17] <Hackman238> dhopp: Cannot work from home once and a while?

[20-Jun-2011 09:55:31] <Hackman238> dhopp: Oh wow. Long time.

[20-Jun-2011 09:55:34] <dhopp> Hackman238:  I can..but I still have to deal with stupid :-P

[20-Jun-2011 09:55:57] <Hackman238> dhopp: Ah- gotcha. I have henchmen to deal with the stupids ;-)

[20-Jun-2011 09:56:23] * JohnnyNoc wants a henchman or two

[20-Jun-2011 09:57:21] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: No team is complete without a couple of henchmen.

[20-Jun-2011 09:57:34] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Need that firewall req. pushed threw? No sweat.

[20-Jun-2011 09:58:23] <JohnnyNoc> yea, i just need some people to verbally abuse eveyr now and again

[20-Jun-2011 09:58:28] <JohnnyNoc> go get me cheesecake and stuff

[20-Jun-2011 09:59:18] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: LOL- well here its more like breakfast tacos and Arby's, but the same idea.

[20-Jun-2011 10:01:23] <rocket> man I have no Henchmen either ...

[20-Jun-2011 10:02:24] <Hackman238> rocket: Dont you work remote?

[20-Jun-2011 10:03:00] <rocket> I do .. I have no watercooler, no boss within 500 miles, no coworkers dropping in ...

[20-Jun-2011 10:03:11] <Hackman238> rocket: No need for henchmen.

[20-Jun-2011 10:03:22] <Hackman238> rocket: Already have perfect job.

[20-Jun-2011 10:03:28] <rocket> but its fun saying henchmen ..

[20-Jun-2011 10:03:37] <rocket> I should say minion ..

[20-Jun-2011 10:03:55] <JohnnyNoc> sue everybody

[20-Jun-2011 10:04:00] <JohnnyNoc> - Sol Rosenburg

[20-Jun-2011 10:04:03] * rocket has the movie despicable me running through his head now ...

[20-Jun-2011 10:04:49] <Hackman238> rocket: Have the gf/wife do your bidding while you work- fetching lunch and the like.

[20-Jun-2011 10:05:17] <rocket> heh .. she does if I bribe her ... shes too damn smart to do it for nothing ...

[20-Jun-2011 10:05:31] <Hackman238> rocket: Damn. I hate it when that happens.

[20-Jun-2011 10:05:36] <Hackman238> rocket: LOL

[20-Jun-2011 10:08:15] <Hackman238> rocket: Spent some time last week upgrading Zenoss 2.5.2 to python 2.6 ;-)

[20-Jun-2011 10:08:26] <Hackman238> rocket: Managed to get it working- its pretty nice.

[20-Jun-2011 10:08:50] <rocket> how did you get zope working with that?  I thought the version of zope in 2.5.2 doesnt support python 2.6

[20-Jun-2011 10:09:04] <Hackman238> rocket: You'd be correct- I upgraded zope ;-)

[20-Jun-2011 10:09:14] <Hackman238> rocket: Hellish nightmare

[20-Jun-2011 10:09:17] <Hackman238> rocket: LOL

[20-Jun-2011 10:09:28] <Simon4> Hackman238: I hope you wrote down what you did ;-)

[20-Jun-2011 10:09:28] <dhopp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gxKStPXyn8

[20-Jun-2011 10:09:39] <rocket> what in gods name are you doing that for?

[20-Jun-2011 10:09:43] <dhopp> kind of goes with rocket's statement :=P

[20-Jun-2011 10:09:56] <Hackman238> Simon4: Scrollback=99999 lines; all the documentation is there

[20-Jun-2011 10:09:59] <fragfutter> because he could?

[20-Jun-2011 10:10:16] <Hackman238> rocket: To be honest- our staff HATE the v3.x and avalon UI

[20-Jun-2011 10:10:49] <fragfutter> Hackman238: script

[20-Jun-2011 10:10:51] <Hackman238> rocket: So I figured I'd investigate how hard it would be up udate zenoss 2.5.2 to compete with v3- new zenhub code and all

[20-Jun-2011 10:11:18] <dhopp> I must be the oddball…don't like steak, don't like coffee and prefer the v3 UI

[20-Jun-2011 10:11:33] <Hackman238> dhopp: I dont understand the ref. top the video

[20-Jun-2011 10:11:56] <dhopp> Hackman238:  we were talking about stupid..and rocket was saying his gf/wife is too smart to do it for nothing..

[20-Jun-2011 10:12:02] <Hackman238> rocket: I've also been investigating how to revive the 2.5.x UI in v3 and avalon- very doable

[20-Jun-2011 10:12:02] <dhopp> Hackman238:  you can't fix stupid :-)

[20-Jun-2011 10:12:12] <rocket> Hackman238: only problem with that is all the new zenpacks we are building for enterprise need the new 3.X+ features

[20-Jun-2011 10:12:15] <Hackman238> dhopp: Oh gotcha :-)

[20-Jun-2011 10:12:50] <Hackman238> rocket: Agreed, which is why I've been considering rebuilding all of the 2.5.2 interface inside avalon post migration

[20-Jun-2011 10:13:13] <rocket> that sounds like a world of migration hurt ..

[20-Jun-2011 10:13:15] <Hackman238> rocket: Nothing definate- it depends on how much the staff complain

[20-Jun-2011 10:13:21] <Hackman238> rocket: You know it

[20-Jun-2011 10:13:24] <Hackman238> rocket: LOL

[20-Jun-2011 10:13:49] <rocket> I would say the staff complaining would be better to get a list of their complaints that might be addressed in a supportable fashion

[20-Jun-2011 10:14:13] <Hackman238> rocket: Its the layout, not functionality.

[20-Jun-2011 10:14:39] <Hackman238> rocket: Not efficient for ppl who task switch at a high rate

[20-Jun-2011 10:14:47] <Hackman238> rocket: Not even a little.

[20-Jun-2011 10:14:54] <rocket> alot of v3+ is now able to be turned on/off via javascript

[20-Jun-2011 10:15:21] <Hackman238> rocket: Really? That would save me a bunch of work.

[20-Jun-2011 10:15:28] <rocket> Hackman238: perhaps another way of doing it is to take the new json apis and write a new django skin or something for those people

[20-Jun-2011 10:15:42] <Hackman238> rocket: Yep.

[20-Jun-2011 10:16:03] <Hackman238> rocket: The other thing the staff hate is ajaxy webui.

[20-Jun-2011 10:16:15] <rocket> Hackman238: you might want to see about getting some PS training on the JSON apis and how to extend them ..

[20-Jun-2011 10:16:34] <Hackman238> rocket: Where should I inquire?

[20-Jun-2011 10:16:42] <rocket> your sales guy ...

[20-Jun-2011 10:17:01] <Hackman238> rocket: IDK who that is...I just bark orders at nyeates

[20-Jun-2011 10:17:05] <Hackman238> LOL

[20-Jun-2011 10:17:29] <Hackman238> rocket: Pete knows- I'll look into it. Thanks for the tip!

[20-Jun-2011 10:19:38] <Hackman238> :q

[20-Jun-2011 10:20:15] <fragfutter> Hackman238: thats wrong. its :q! ;)))

[20-Jun-2011 10:20:57] <Hackman238> fragfutter:

[20-Jun-2011 10:31:17] <uifjlh1> I'm looking at my "running daemons" and see that my "zenperfwmi" daemon is off ... ?

[20-Jun-2011 10:32:21] <uifjlh1> I'd never noticed that before,  wmi monitoring is one of the main things I'm trying to do ...

[20-Jun-2011 10:36:42] <rmatte> uifjlh1: you mean it shows as not running or just doesn't show up in the list?

[20-Jun-2011 10:39:37] <uifjlh1> it shows as "not running" a RED dot

[20-Jun-2011 10:40:39] <uifjlh1> I'm installing a few new ZenPacks & had to restart zope & saw that at the bottom of the Daemon page...

[20-Jun-2011 10:41:28] <uifjlh1> I'm getting data from my Windows Servers...

[20-Jun-2011 11:04:19] <rmatte> did you upgrade the ZenPack recently?

[20-Jun-2011 11:04:36] <rmatte> I'm pretty sure that egor made it daemonless recently

[20-Jun-2011 11:10:47] <uifjlh1> the WMI one... I don't think I did that one ...

[20-Jun-2011 11:12:04] <uifjlh1> I'm running a new 3.1 install on SuSE, and on Ubuntu, testing which install/OS works "most nicely" ...

[20-Jun-2011 11:14:07] <rmatte> uifjlh1: I doubt there's really going to be any difference

[20-Jun-2011 11:15:03] <uifjlh1> I know but ... I just want to check, running parallel systems just for a bit...

[20-Jun-2011 11:15:18] <uifjlh1> one on real hardware & one in a VM too ...

[20-Jun-2011 11:16:23] <uifjlh1> I do have one device that's acting "different" when it reports, I'm trying to figure out why?

[20-Jun-2011 11:25:02] <uifjlh1> so back to the zenperfwmi daemon, it is running on my Ubuntu, but not running on SuSE ... hmmmpf

[20-Jun-2011 11:25:24] <uifjlh1>  but I am getting WMI data on the SuSE system

[20-Jun-2011 11:25:42] <fragfutter> uifjlh1: same version of egors wmi pack?

[20-Jun-2011 11:26:05] <uifjlh1> yes

[20-Jun-2011 11:26:15] <uifjlh1> same one...

[20-Jun-2011 11:26:33] <uifjlh1> I'm digging ...

[20-Jun-2011 11:27:26] <fragfutter> what is the output from "zenpackdaemons --list"?

[20-Jun-2011 11:29:06] <uifjlh1> is that a list on the gui or a command to run ?

[20-Jun-2011 11:29:13] <fragfutter> command

[20-Jun-2011 11:29:23] <uifjlh1> checking ...

[20-Jun-2011 11:33:42] <uifjlh1> so Ubuntu shows zenperfwmi, and SuSE shows zenperfwmi and zenjmx (haven't got that one installed on Ubuntu yet)

[20-Jun-2011 11:34:21] <fragfutter> uifjlh1: ok. can you start zenperfwmi manual? "zenperfwmi start"

[20-Jun-2011 11:34:23] <uifjlh1> Interesting that the GUI shows SuSE's state as "red" and Ubuntu shows it as "green" ...

[20-Jun-2011 11:36:14] <uifjlh1> no it gives me an error when I try to start ./zenperfwmi restart, or start

[20-Jun-2011 11:36:44] <uifjlh1> let me look at the file

[20-Jun-2011 11:38:24] <uifjlh1> they are the same on both

[20-Jun-2011 11:38:52] <uifjlh1> I see there is a zenperfwmi.conf file... where is that stashed ?

[20-Jun-2011 11:39:07] <fragfutter> i would guess ZENHOME/etc

[20-Jun-2011 11:41:35] <uifjlh1> hmmm ? they are both fully commented out ...

[20-Jun-2011 11:44:09] <uifjlh1> I set the WMI settings from the "infrastructure, configuration properties, using a zWinUser and PW with zWmiMonitorIgnore set to false

[20-Jun-2011 11:44:57] <uifjlh1> brb

[20-Jun-2011 11:50:49] <JohnnyNoc> if I change the snmp perf cycle time to be < 5 mins should I be updating the RRAs for the collector as also?  seems they're all setup for a 5 min cycle time

[20-Jun-2011 11:51:09] <JohnnyNoc> i'm still not familliar enough with RRD/RRAs to know if that's an issue

[20-Jun-2011 11:51:10] <JohnnyNoc> :/

[20-Jun-2011 11:51:22] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: If you change it to 1 you dont have to update anything

[20-Jun-2011 11:51:37] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: LOL but that'll increase the load 5x

[20-Jun-2011 11:51:46] <JohnnyNoc> *nod*

[20-Jun-2011 11:51:46] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: **4x

[20-Jun-2011 11:52:00] <JohnnyNoc> we have this distgributed collector setup with 3 collectors - 1 min, 5 min, 30min

[20-Jun-2011 11:52:08] <Hackman238> Anyone- quick- whats the mount -o command for lazy unmount?

[20-Jun-2011 11:52:30] <JohnnyNoc> there are a lot of issues with the 30 min collector so I've been asked to get rid of it and move them to the rest

[20-Jun-2011 11:52:56] <JohnnyNoc> heh umount -l!

[20-Jun-2011 11:53:10] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Ah gotcha. The rrd's should be recreated when you move the device to the new collector

[20-Jun-2011 11:53:25] <fragfutter> Hackman238: -l

[20-Jun-2011 11:53:40] * fragfutter should start to read from the bottom up.

[20-Jun-2011 11:53:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: have to increase /tmp from huge to humoungous

[20-Jun-2011 11:54:52] <JohnnyNoc> there are no /tmp partitions on these boxes so i guess i don't have to worry about that

[20-Jun-2011 11:55:43] <JohnnyNoc> i'm afraid moving these devices around is going to break something, heh

[20-Jun-2011 11:55:44] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: yeah, my /tmp is all RAM

[20-Jun-2011 11:55:56] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: 32GB->64GB

[20-Jun-2011 11:56:36] <Hackman238>  *thinking wanna upgrade to 512GB soon...*

[20-Jun-2011 11:56:44] <Hackman238> (total RAM)

[20-Jun-2011 11:56:47] <JohnnyNoc> nice

[20-Jun-2011 11:56:57] <JohnnyNoc> i have a new collector, and SSDs for both collectors now

[20-Jun-2011 11:57:03] <JohnnyNoc> new collector box that is

[20-Jun-2011 11:57:19] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Nice

[20-Jun-2011 11:57:26] <JohnnyNoc> 1 in each DC..  it should make my life muuch more enjoyable with avg io wait time at/above 25% now

[20-Jun-2011 11:57:42] <JohnnyNoc> yea i'm surprised they the PO was approved

[20-Jun-2011 11:57:45] <JohnnyNoc> cheap bastards aroudn here!

[20-Jun-2011 11:57:51] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Wow high iowait

[20-Jun-2011 11:57:57] <bigegor> hi all, some feedback on my last SQLDataSource ZenPack?

[20-Jun-2011 11:58:11] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Should RAID 10 a few of those SSD's

[20-Jun-2011 11:58:24] <JohnnyNoc> hah.. yea right

[20-Jun-2011 11:58:30] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc:

[20-Jun-2011 11:58:31] <JohnnyNoc> getting a single one per server was lik epulling teeth

[20-Jun-2011 11:58:46] <Hackman238> bigegor: Aye - does indeed work

[20-Jun-2011 11:58:55] <JohnnyNoc> i'm backing up perf data nightly, we can live if we lose a day

[20-Jun-2011 11:58:57] <Hackman238> bigegor: Havent had much time for real analysis LOL

[20-Jun-2011 11:59:14] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Gotcha. Then RAID 0 a few

[20-Jun-2011 11:59:26] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Half the drives, more speed!

[20-Jun-2011 11:59:52] <JohnnyNoc> Hackman238 i take donations.  want my paypal address? 

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[20-Jun-2011 12:00:44] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: I have no extra monies...I put it all in MMA's and EZCH ;-)

[20-Jun-2011 12:00:58] <JohnnyNoc> haha

[20-Jun-2011 12:01:58] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Work hard and invest now, retire at 30!

[20-Jun-2011 12:02:12] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: 80% the way there ;-)

[20-Jun-2011 12:04:03] <JohnnyNoc> haha nice one i hope you get the other 20% sooner than later

[20-Jun-2011 12:04:06] <JohnnyNoc> working is a pita

[20-Jun-2011 12:06:35] <fragfutter> bigegor: uifjlh1 has some problems with zenperfwmi, but i think he is still on an older version

[20-Jun-2011 12:06:46] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Well when I'm at my goal my work will be much harder- plan to get in to theoretical physics.

[20-Jun-2011 12:07:29] <fragfutter> Hackman238: where?

[20-Jun-2011 12:09:32] <bigegor> in new version zenperfwmi doesn't exist.

[20-Jun-2011 12:10:05] <bigegor> fragfutter: do you have EVA?

[20-Jun-2011 12:10:24] <fragfutter> bigegor: yes. but i won't upgrade the zenpack

[20-Jun-2011 12:10:36] <bigegor>

[20-Jun-2011 12:10:56] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Caltech

[20-Jun-2011 12:11:10] <fragfutter> Hackman238: and the topic?

[20-Jun-2011 12:11:10] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Probably move to La Jolla.

[20-Jun-2011 12:11:12] <bigegor> it 4 times faster with WBEM

[20-Jun-2011 12:12:17] <Hackman238> fragfutter: unofficial topic really, model unification.

[20-Jun-2011 12:13:52] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Way overdue and with the bounty of new particle information expected from

[20-Jun-2011 12:14:13] <Hackman238> cern, it'll be a area of interest and need.

[20-Jun-2011 12:14:46] <bigegor> fragfutter: HPEVAMon is aslo updated (thanks for 'immediate_view' tip)

[20-Jun-2011 12:14:57] <fragfutter> Hackman238: i don't understand a thing of it, i stopped at the size of an atom

[20-Jun-2011 12:15:02] <Hackman238> fragfutter: I cannot claim to be an expert in anything other than learning and persistance.

[20-Jun-2011 12:15:08] <Hackman238> fragfutter:

[20-Jun-2011 12:15:42] <nyeates> Hackman: radical - i am into that stuff too....at a laymans level

[20-Jun-2011 12:16:22] <nyeates> i just looked at the Large Hadron collider stuff and there isnt any new exciting stuff coming out yet....a lot of false alarms, but no higgs officially

[20-Jun-2011 12:17:42] <fragfutter> let's see who is first, fermilab or cern

[20-Jun-2011 12:18:11] * JohnnyNoc cheers the hometown team.  Fermi!  Fermi!  Fermi!

[20-Jun-2011 12:18:15] <Hackman238> fragfutter: LHC has so much power available.

[20-Jun-2011 12:18:55] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Simply massive- if fermi gets sparticles or bosons before LHC it'll be pure long shot chance.

[20-Jun-2011 12:19:36] <Hackman238> nyeates: Higgs == Win for man. With higgs many new areas can be explored

[20-Jun-2011 12:20:14] <Hackman238> nyeates: Though the model of our planet, built on monetary system, retards the useful application of such power over matter and energy.

[20-Jun-2011 12:23:25] <Hackman238> nyeates: Frankly humanity will never discover and make use of many aspects of physics until there is global demand and interest. Common people know nothing of advancement of humanity as a whole but instead only themselves. This leads to discoveries being squelched or retarded by lack of funding and interest.

[20-Jun-2011 12:23:47] <Hackman238> nyeates: Its embarrassing.

[20-Jun-2011 12:24:40] <nyeates> Education is steadily rising around the world

[20-Jun-2011 12:26:07] <nyeates> more ppl know and start to care - so its getting better.... anyway- once we use quantum entaglement to send messages and people and bananas across space - people will start to notice :-)

[20-Jun-2011 12:26:26] <nyeates> ^ joke - sorta

[20-Jun-2011 12:27:14] <Hackman238> nyeates: Capitalistic society always makes unhindered solution difficult to access by cost or retardation of the research. I can see no reason why we continue to burn coal at all- the solution is nuclear. There's plenty of empty space in space to dump that waste and I doubt anyone anywhere will care within the life expectancy of our race.

[20-Jun-2011 12:28:06] <Hackman238> nyeates: Take what happened in Japan- the casulty doesnt bearly compete with coal casulties.

[20-Jun-2011 12:28:44] <nyeates> wow i need to change the topic in here to something more heavy :-p

[20-Jun-2011 12:28:51] <Hackman238> nyeates: People are made to artificially fear solutions while are just that- solutions. The idea is to maintain scarcety to ensure there is a commonity to trade.

[20-Jun-2011 12:29:41] <Hackman238> nyeates: Sorry. LOL

[20-Jun-2011 12:31:39] <Hackman238> Incase anyone is wondering, no I'm not communist or anything of the such. I buy and sell stock like any banker, but I do feel the world would bennifit strongly from unified interest in solutions which do not promote scarcity.

[20-Jun-2011 12:34:27] <rmatte> k

[20-Jun-2011 12:38:29] <JohnnyNoc> no you're a tea partyier!

[20-Jun-2011 12:38:32] <JohnnyNoc> jk

[20-Jun-2011 12:39:14] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: LOL

[20-Jun-2011 12:39:49] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: I dont agree with either side- I hate it when people lie to my face. Thats all politicans do.

[20-Jun-2011 12:46:29] <bigegor> Hackman238: as someone who lives in 1998 in 213.1 miles from Chernobyl, i'm very sceptical about nuclear energy.

[20-Jun-2011 12:49:48] <froztbyte> tell me, bigegor

[20-Jun-2011 12:49:56] <Hackman238> bigegor: I cannot disagree with legitimate experience of negative impact. But as a race we should look to what serves the entire race best no and in the future rather than individualization. Clearly the technology needs work. I like to think of it this way- pretend the work is your DC and you're planning everything to be as scalable and properly implemented as possible.

[20-Jun-2011 12:50:15] <froztbyte> would you buy a car from the 30s?

[20-Jun-2011 12:50:54] <froztbyte> Hackman238: even if one considers it to be infantile tech, it's holding up remarkably well

[20-Jun-2011 12:51:45] <froztbyte> I mean the fukushima reactors were like 30 years old or something, with known criticisms of their design, and they didn't wipe out japan even *with* all the shit that was thrown at them

[20-Jun-2011 12:52:24] <froztbyte> considering we're now quite a bit further along with the tech, it's a few orders better already

[20-Jun-2011 12:53:18] <froztbyte> accidents happen. chernobyl was a big one. big deal. one of the remarkable traits of humanity is that we find ways to get over those things

[20-Jun-2011 12:53:22] <Hackman238> froztbyte: I agree- but there is always room for improvement. Until we can convert matter in to energy with no loss, we can improve.

[20-Jun-2011 12:53:36] <Hackman238> froztbyte: If it were a collectable and I could flip it ;-)

[20-Jun-2011 12:53:49] <froztbyte> and until we get time machines and we can change things safely, we'll keep doing that

[20-Jun-2011 12:54:12] <rmatte> The safest reactor design in the world currently in the candu

[20-Jun-2011 12:54:13] <rocket> part of the problem is the aging of existing plants etc thought

[20-Jun-2011 12:54:17] <rmatte> is the*

[20-Jun-2011 12:54:55] <rocket> eg there is an article in my paper about declining safety standards because old plants cant afford to keep them up

[20-Jun-2011 12:55:08] <Hackman238> rocket: Agreed. And if our society were solution centric they would be updated rather than left alone due to cost constraint.

[20-Jun-2011 12:55:10] <froztbyte> rocket: yeah but anyone who wants to shoot down "nuclear" because of aging plants is silly

[20-Jun-2011 12:55:33] <froztbyte> rocket: you don't keep a car running 10 years past its due date if you know it's not that safe anymore

[20-Jun-2011 12:55:58] <Hackman238> The point is they are an excellent, scalable solution- the perfect enemy of scarcity.

[20-Jun-2011 12:56:01] <rocket> froztbyte: I have seen plenty of cars run that way on the freeway

[20-Jun-2011 12:56:17] <froztbyte> rocket: I should've included "wisely" somewhere in there

[20-Jun-2011 12:56:25] <rocket> just playing devils advocate here ..

[20-Jun-2011 12:56:32] <froztbyte> anyway, retards gonna reet :/

[20-Jun-2011 12:56:44] <bigegor> Hackman238: just answer one simple question. Are you want to live in 30km radius from 99.999999% secure nuclear power station?

[20-Jun-2011 12:56:47] <froztbyte> (and with that I mean just about anyone standing in the way of human progress)

[20-Jun-2011 12:57:07] <froztbyte> bigegor: personally I wouldn't mind

[20-Jun-2011 12:57:14] <Hackman238> bigegor: When i was in Carlsbad, CA I was very close to a plant in Oceanside, CA

[20-Jun-2011 12:57:29] <Hackman238> bigegor: If I were killed, its no matter. The technology betters the race.

[20-Jun-2011 12:57:32] <froztbyte> I could just as well have a meteor drop on my head

[20-Jun-2011 12:57:43] <froztbyte> or be run over in the street by a bus with bad brakes

[20-Jun-2011 12:57:47] <froztbyte> boohoo, life is hard

[20-Jun-2011 12:58:13] <Hackman238> Lets not fight. I dont mean to cause any tension or problems here. LOL

[20-Jun-2011 12:58:53] <rocket> you did too!

[20-Jun-2011 12:58:59] <rmatte> SCREW YOU ALL!

[20-Jun-2011 12:59:01] <rmatte> (kidding)

[20-Jun-2011 12:59:02] <Hackman238> rocket: LOL Sorry.

[20-Jun-2011 12:59:02] <rmatte>

[20-Jun-2011 12:59:14] <rmatte> muahaha

[20-Jun-2011 12:59:36] * rocket gets back to pretending he cares ...

[20-Jun-2011 12:59:40] <rmatte> lol

[20-Jun-2011 13:02:05] <Hackman238> LOL

[20-Jun-2011 13:02:26] <Hackman238> Something makes me think that I'm one of few who believes the world should come before me.

[20-Jun-2011 13:03:08] <rmatte> if people who don't are selfish, does that make you worldish?

[20-Jun-2011 13:04:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL

[20-Jun-2011 13:06:29] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away

[20-Jun-2011 13:12:43] <Hackman238> *cough*

[20-Jun-2011 13:36:36] <JohnnyNoc> w

[20-Jun-2011 14:00:34] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk

[20-Jun-2011 14:15:01] <dhopp> Anybody know of a zenpack that extends the http check so that it also saves a copy of the retrieved web page if the check fails?

[20-Jun-2011 14:18:31] <JohnnyNoc> anyone here prefer 2.5.x to 3.x ?

[20-Jun-2011 14:18:52] <dhopp> *raises Hackman238's hand*

[20-Jun-2011 14:18:55] <rmatte> dhopp: no, but you could probably script something with the community synthetic transactions pack to do that

[20-Jun-2011 14:18:59] <JohnnyNoc> dhopp haha

[20-Jun-2011 14:19:15] <JohnnyNoc> reason i ask is because i was going to start a 3.x install but i noticed there are some zenpacks we use that 'need testing'

[20-Jun-2011 14:19:24] <JohnnyNoc> nothing serious, but I thought it was worth asking

[20-Jun-2011 14:19:35] <rmatte> which ZenPacks in particular?

[20-Jun-2011 14:19:46] <rmatte> some 'need testing' but have no reason why they wouldn't work in 3.x

[20-Jun-2011 14:19:51] <rmatte> depends on the pack

[20-Jun-2011 14:20:01] <JohnnyNoc> apc pdu aggregate a/b monitor

[20-Jun-2011 14:20:06] <JohnnyNoc> Bluecoat appliances, Cisco ASA VPN

[20-Jun-2011 14:20:53] <Hackman238> Go 2.5.x!

[20-Jun-2011 14:21:02] <JohnnyNoc> poweredge 1950, 2950

[20-Jun-2011 14:21:03] <Hackman238> LOL Sorry, running on fumes today

[20-Jun-2011 14:21:07] <dhopp> is the apc pdu zenpack anything more then just specific oids?

[20-Jun-2011 14:21:31] <JohnnyNoc> dhopp a little bit more than that

[20-Jun-2011 14:21:49] <JohnnyNoc> it will take the OIDs from multiple devices and graph/alert it

[20-Jun-2011 14:22:05] <dhopp> well right..but I meant there isn't a modeler or anything hard core in it

[20-Jun-2011 14:22:51] <JohnnyNoc> no, no modelers afaict

[20-Jun-2011 14:23:20] <JohnnyNoc> didn't find any in the modeler/plugins dir at lesat

[20-Jun-2011 14:23:44] <JohnnyNoc> Hackman238 why do you prefer 2.5.x ?

[20-Jun-2011 14:26:33] <rmatte> bluecoat will definitely work, they are just monitoring templates

[20-Jun-2011 14:26:47] <Battaglin> what os is mostly used to run zenoss?

[20-Jun-2011 14:26:54] <Battaglin> centos?

[20-Jun-2011 14:26:54] <rmatte> Battaglin: Linux

[20-Jun-2011 14:27:00] <Battaglin>

[20-Jun-2011 14:27:05] <rmatte> CentOS/RedHat/Ubuntu

[20-Jun-2011 14:27:05] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte so if i asked you which you preferred, would you say 3.x ?

[20-Jun-2011 14:27:06] <rmatte> mostly

[20-Jun-2011 14:27:10] <rocket> JohnnyNoc: why do old people hate progress?

[20-Jun-2011 14:27:21] <rocket> JohnnyNoc: same reason for Hackman238 ...

[20-Jun-2011 14:27:23] <JohnnyNoc> rocket fear of the unknown

[20-Jun-2011 14:27:24] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: no, at the moment I'd have to say 2.5, since the interface isn't a pain in the ass to work with

[20-Jun-2011 14:27:45] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: but the 3.x interface is still young

[20-Jun-2011 14:27:46] <JohnnyNoc> rocket i read that as postgres as first, hah

[20-Jun-2011 14:27:55] <rocket> rmatte: I prefere to support 3.x+ however ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:27:57] <bigegor> i'm also 2.5.2 user

[20-Jun-2011 14:28:10] <rocket> s/prefere/prefer/

[20-Jun-2011 14:28:29] <rmatte> rocket: well, you kind of have to

[20-Jun-2011 14:28:41] <JohnnyNoc> bigegor: any particular reason you haven't moved to 3.x yet?

[20-Jun-2011 14:28:41] <dhopp> rmatte:  I actually think the 3.x is easier to work with…I used zenoss in the 1.x-2.4 days…and 3.x makes more sense to me…but I wasn't hard core with zenoss like you guys probably are and haven't gotten used to it

[20-Jun-2011 14:28:52] <rocket> seriously there are less *issues* with 3.X than in 2.5.2

[20-Jun-2011 14:29:06] <rmatte> dhopp: It's certainly getting better... but you couldn't copy a template at one point

[20-Jun-2011 14:29:12] <rmatte> so I submitted a patch and that finally got fixed

[20-Jun-2011 14:29:14] <rocket> especially once you start to scale quite large ...

[20-Jun-2011 14:29:20] <rmatte> there were a ton of UI issues with editing templates

[20-Jun-2011 14:29:22] <bigegor> i like 2.5 interface

[20-Jun-2011 14:29:27] <rmatte> I think all of them finally got fixed

[20-Jun-2011 14:29:36] <dhopp> rmatte:  ah yes…when I was evaluating Enterprise I bitched at the support engineer about that..heh

[20-Jun-2011 14:29:41] <rmatte> though I still think the 2.5 interface re-skinned would have been nicer

[20-Jun-2011 14:29:52] <rocket> rmatte: those should all be gone in 3.1 .. you know it ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:29:57] <rmatte> It's lighter weight and offers more real-estate for actually viewing the data

[20-Jun-2011 14:30:04] <rmatte> 3.x feels cramped if you're not on a 30" monitor

[20-Jun-2011 14:30:44] <rmatte> too many panels everywhere

[20-Jun-2011 14:30:49] <bigegor> rocket: how about zenoss internationalization?

[20-Jun-2011 14:31:23] <rmatte> anyways, I'm going to be upgrading to 3.1 soon enough since it is definitely much better than 3.0.x was

[20-Jun-2011 14:31:35] <rocket> I am the wrong guy to ask about that ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:31:47] <bigegor> i think internationalization part can be easy done by community.

[20-Jun-2011 14:32:17] <rmatte> internationalization is a big job to maintain

[20-Jun-2011 14:32:18] <rocket> it would most likely have to be at this point .. we dont have much demand for it at the moment

[20-Jun-2011 14:33:01] <rmatte> one thing that I've noticed about Zenoss is that most of the customers are north american

[20-Jun-2011 14:33:07] <rmatte> for now anyways

[20-Jun-2011 14:34:18] <rocket> most .. we have some in india and around germany etc ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:34:41] <rmatte> well, in india a lot of people speak english

[20-Jun-2011 14:34:53] <rocket> mainly countries with a strong English as a second language etc ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:34:54] <bigegor> rmatte: but this can be a reason, why it no so popular in rest world

[20-Jun-2011 14:35:01] <dhopp> rmatte:  they can..doesn't mean they want to :-P

[20-Jun-2011 14:35:15] <JohnnyNoc> i thin kwe need to make rocket teach ESL classes

[20-Jun-2011 14:35:15] <rocket> bigegor: it can ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:35:27] <rmatte> bigegor: I agree, but the amount of effort required to implement and maintain the internationalization probably just can't be justified at the moment

[20-Jun-2011 14:35:36] <rocket> JohnnyNoc: certainly ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:35:56] <rmatte> I could help with translating everything to french since I speak it lol

[20-Jun-2011 14:36:02] <rocket> JohnnyNoc: I am definately not an english major, and my mind thinks faster than I type etc ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:36:35] <rocket> bigegor: we have enough to do just to satisify the english speaking community ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:37:13] <rocket> bigegor: there are large areas of the product to build up yet, such as IPV6, layer 2 topology mapping etc ...

[20-Jun-2011 14:37:18] <Hackman238> rocket: I dont ahte 3.x for anything other than the layout.

[20-Jun-2011 14:37:35] <rmatte> "Bienvenue a Zenoss!  Pour commencer on vas faire une auto-decouverte de vos systemes!"

[20-Jun-2011 14:37:48] <dhopp> yeah…what rmatte said

[20-Jun-2011 14:37:52] <rmatte> lol

[20-Jun-2011 14:37:54] <bigegor> zenoss corp can provide infrastructure, and community members can maintain languages support.

[20-Jun-2011 14:38:01] <rocket> Hackman238: at least 3.X is decoupling the ui from the business logic more and more etc ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:38:23] <Hackman238> rocket: Absolutely. I just dont want to look like I'm a hate monger or something LOL

[20-Jun-2011 14:38:37] <rocket> heh ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:38:42] <dhopp> bigegor:  sounds good in theory..but keep in mind that if they put it into the product, it's something they will have to support for paying customers

[20-Jun-2011 14:38:59] <rocket> well Hackman238 as you can already see the performance is getting a heck of a lot better than in 2.5.2 ...

[20-Jun-2011 14:39:03] <rmatte> I'm not a hate monger, I the layout is really the only thing I'm not a fan of... the underlying code and improvements with the daemons and such are great

[20-Jun-2011 14:39:06] <Hackman238> rocket: LOL is that an implied 'yeah right?' LOL

[20-Jun-2011 14:39:15] <Hackman238> rocket: Oh hell yeah

[20-Jun-2011 14:39:16] <bigegor> zenoss can official support only english.

[20-Jun-2011 14:39:45] <bigegor> the same way, it has Enterpise ZenPacks and community ones.

[20-Jun-2011 14:40:40] <Hackman238> Personally- I think Zenoss went the right direction with the new UI despiite my dislike of it

[20-Jun-2011 14:40:41] <bigegor> so, we need i18n in zenoss

[20-Jun-2011 14:40:55] <Hackman238> Zenoss should be easy to navigate- not everyone thinks like a coder.

[20-Jun-2011 14:41:39] <rocket> well the new ui was designed by a usability expert if I recall, but that was before I was hired ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:41:55] <JohnnyNoc> thats the word on the internet

[20-Jun-2011 14:41:57] <rocket> and once people get used to it they tend not to mind it etc..

[20-Jun-2011 14:43:03] <Hackman238> Nothing is without the need for improvement, however. :-)

[20-Jun-2011 14:43:08] <JohnnyNoc> hrm

[20-Jun-2011 14:43:41] <rocket> Hackman238: I dont believe we have any sacred cows yet that are kept from change ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:44:03] <JohnnyNoc> seems like i should probably stick with 2.5.2 for a little while longer

[20-Jun-2011 14:44:39] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: Everyone is going to have to take the plunge eventually...

[20-Jun-2011 14:44:43] <Hackman238> rocket: Agreed, outside of mathmatics with proofs.

[20-Jun-2011 14:44:44] <JohnnyNoc> *nod*

[20-Jun-2011 14:45:17] <rocket> JohnnyNoc: do it ... do it ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:46:00] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Dont worry- RackSpace will drive Zenoss to fix all the little annoying things in the UI

[20-Jun-2011 14:46:24] <JohnnyNoc> hah

[20-Jun-2011 14:46:42] <Hackman238> JohnnyNoc: Some battles won

[20-Jun-2011 14:46:43] <JohnnyNoc> i would just hate to upgrade for greater stability/performance and then run into a bunch of problems with bugs in the UI, or half-workign zenpacks

[20-Jun-2011 14:46:52] <JohnnyNoc> but i do agree, i will need to move to 3.x eventually

[20-Jun-2011 14:46:56] <rocket> Hackman238: pfft .. you think so dont you ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:46:57] <rmatte> I just think there are some small things that could be done with the new UI to make it a lot better... for example, every single divider between panes should have auto-expand buttons, that way people aren't having to click and drag to expand them all the time...

[20-Jun-2011 14:47:10] <Hackman238> rocket: I'd like to think so LOL

[20-Jun-2011 14:47:17] <Hackman238> rocket:

[20-Jun-2011 14:47:30] <rmatte> I also think that when I add or change something in a window, and it's done via ajax/jquery, the window should update to reflect the changes afterwards instead of me having to hit f5

[20-Jun-2011 14:47:37] <rmatte> those are my two main issues with the UI

[20-Jun-2011 14:47:38] <Hackman238> Tell you what everyone

[20-Jun-2011 14:48:01] <Hackman238> Email me, at hackman238@gmail.com with your suggestions for the Zenoss v3 UI to improve it

[20-Jun-2011 14:48:10] <dhopp> JohnnyNoc: if you can get the buy in to do it now, I would start to look into it….I'm trying to convert from an internal developed monitoring package to Zenoss and people fear change…even today when I have meetings and say "Zenoss can do that" without a doubt have people start to come up with solutions for the internal tool that will take hours to implement..and then I respond with "Zenoss can do that"…people would rather spend hours trying to bolt a pint

[20-Jun-2011 14:48:18] <rmatte> Hackman238: certainly

[20-Jun-2011 14:48:25] <Hackman238> I'll make a list and my crew will pickout the best and we'll submit tickets to get it done

[20-Jun-2011 14:48:34] <rmatte> sweetness

[20-Jun-2011 14:48:44] <Hackman238> you help us as crowd source we help you by sharing results

[20-Jun-2011 14:48:53] <rmatte> I'm going to kick open photoshop one night this week and actually do some mockups for some of mine

[20-Jun-2011 14:48:58] <rmatte> always easier to explain it visually

[20-Jun-2011 14:49:08] <Hackman238> Whatever works

[20-Jun-2011 14:49:21] * rocket wonders if Hackman238 is silently breaking his support contract ...

[20-Jun-2011 14:49:23] <rocket>

[20-Jun-2011 14:49:47] <Hackman238> Crowd source of ideas is not in breach of contract

[20-Jun-2011 14:50:10] * rocket looks around to crowd source support .. whos with me?

[20-Jun-2011 14:50:18] <rmatte> yeh, they're just ideas, it's not like he's using his support contract directly on my systems

[20-Jun-2011 14:50:34] <Hackman238> Not support, ideas for improvement. We cannot think of everything.

[20-Jun-2011 14:50:50] <uifjlh1> Live QA

[20-Jun-2011 14:50:53] <Hackman238> Same as us making a post of the forums and suggestions being made there.

[20-Jun-2011 14:50:56] <rmatte> essentially, yeh

[20-Jun-2011 14:51:23] <rocket> uifjlh1: yes our QA department is live .. they are not Lisa bots... or if they are they have passed the turing tests ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:51:48] <Hackman238> LOL!

[20-Jun-2011 14:51:54] <uifjlh1> ar ar arrrr

[20-Jun-2011 14:52:13] <Hackman238> Again, anythin is subject to us acctually finding it helpful.

[20-Jun-2011 14:54:12] <rmatte> honestly, botting QA to automate test cases would probably be uber efficient

[20-Jun-2011 14:54:19] <rmatte>

[20-Jun-2011 14:54:40] <rmatte> you'd still need human QA to try and break the less obvious stuff

[20-Jun-2011 14:55:15] <uifjlh1> yup, that button, from that browser, from that OS, let the fun begin

[20-Jun-2011 14:55:17] <rmatte> "What happens if I press ctrl-x-colon-backslash-42-enter?"

[20-Jun-2011 14:55:27] <rmatte> *boom*

[20-Jun-2011 14:56:29] <JohnnyNoc> you mean they don't use TDD @ ZEnoss INC?

[20-Jun-2011 14:56:31] <rocket> rmatte: almost any good QA support team tries to automate as much as possible etc ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:56:35] <JohnnyNoc>

[20-Jun-2011 14:57:28] <Hackman238> rmatte: Aye...we automate everything possible. People arent consistant- scripts(when written correctly) are.

[20-Jun-2011 14:57:41] <rmatte> rocket: The 3.x release where you'd get an error when attempting to create a local copy of a template on a fresh install of it made me question the quality of your guy's test cases (not of the QA team itself)

[20-Jun-2011 14:58:03] <rmatte> at some point community members were encouraged to submit their own test cases

[20-Jun-2011 14:58:07] <rmatte> but I think that died out

[20-Jun-2011 14:58:35] <rocket> rmatte: the QA team was relatively new around 2.5 even ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:58:41] <rmatte> ah

[20-Jun-2011 14:58:46] <rmatte> so it's still maturing

[20-Jun-2011 14:59:00] <rocket> definately is .. as is the company ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:59:00] <rmatte> I assumed it had been around longer than that

[20-Jun-2011 14:59:07] * rmatte nods

[20-Jun-2011 14:59:10] <rocket> considering the company age etc ..

[20-Jun-2011 14:59:31] <rmatte> well, you guys are over 10 years in business now, no?

[20-Jun-2011 15:00:28] <rocket> started in 2005

[20-Jun-2011 15:00:38] <rmatte> ah

[20-Jun-2011 15:00:57] <rocket> out of a large telco ..

[20-Jun-2011 15:02:32] <rmatte> yeh, I forget the name of the telco, but they explained that when they did a demo for us of enterprise

[20-Jun-2011 15:04:34] <Hackman238> rocket: Really, a telco?

[20-Jun-2011 15:05:44] <rocket> yup

[20-Jun-2011 15:06:00] <rocket> thats why the strong initial snmp support etc ..

[20-Jun-2011 15:06:08] <rocket> windows and ssh are later additions

[20-Jun-2011 15:06:12] <Hackman238> rocket: Makes sense

[20-Jun-2011 15:06:45] <rocket> however the ssh support seems to be picking up steam as preferred in some complex areas

[20-Jun-2011 15:07:08] <rmatte> the ssh support works great

[20-Jun-2011 15:07:18] <Hackman238> rocket: *cough* route collection on core devices?

[20-Jun-2011 15:07:21] <Hackman238>

[20-Jun-2011 15:07:44] <rocket> stupid routes

[20-Jun-2011 15:07:58] <rocket> Hackman238: those routes arent really used for anything in Avalon btw

[20-Jun-2011 15:08:01] <rmatte> "Let's try to collect 300,000 BGP routes via SNMP!"

[20-Jun-2011 15:08:23] <rocket> Hackman238: so you could turn off the plugin that gathers the data if you wish ..

[20-Jun-2011 15:08:24] <Hackman238> rmatte: Nein! My poor 65XX CPU(S)!!!

[20-Jun-2011 15:08:31] <rmatte> lol

[20-Jun-2011 15:08:33] <Hackman238> rocket: Really?

[20-Jun-2011 15:08:40] <rocket> Hackman238: eg its only for human consumption

[20-Jun-2011 15:08:43] <rocket> Hackman238: yes really

[20-Jun-2011 15:08:56] <rmatte> the layer 3 deps are supposed to use it

[20-Jun-2011 15:09:01] <rocket> Hackman238: we are doing a traceroute from the collector to the ping device now

[20-Jun-2011 15:09:08] <rmatte> but they don't work well unless they have 100% understanding of the topology

[20-Jun-2011 15:09:15] <rmatte> which never is the case for us

[20-Jun-2011 15:09:18] <Hackman238> rocket: I didnt know it was building its layer3 map that way.

[20-Jun-2011 15:09:24] <Hackman238> rocket: Very nice!

[20-Jun-2011 15:09:32] <rmatte> oh, traceroute now

[20-Jun-2011 15:09:38] <rocket> Hackman238: the old way was to use the layer3 topology info to build it

[20-Jun-2011 15:09:38] <rmatte> that's a way better way to do it

[20-Jun-2011 15:09:50] <rmatte> will that we working in Avalon?

[20-Jun-2011 15:09:52] <rmatte> be*

[20-Jun-2011 15:09:55] <rocket> Hackman238: if there were any holes at all in the routes it would get lost in the old way

[20-Jun-2011 15:10:02] <rmatte> yup

[20-Jun-2011 15:10:02] <Hackman238> rocket: Right.

[20-Jun-2011 15:10:17] <Hackman238> rocket: Sounds like layer3 topology will be much more reliable now

[20-Jun-2011 15:10:20] <rocket> rmatte: it already is working .. I started writing it and it was taken over by another engineer

[20-Jun-2011 15:10:28] <rmatte> awesome

[20-Jun-2011 15:10:34] <rmatte> I really look forward to that

[20-Jun-2011 15:10:38] <rocket> rmatte: assuming he didnt f*** it up ..