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[02-Apr-2007 03:12:29] <Snake-Eyes> Is there a place to add what software/packages a machine has (I dont mean services) ?
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[02-Apr-2007 07:05:13] <jeg1972> Morning everyone
[02-Apr-2007 07:31:59] <Tinuva> morning
[02-Apr-2007 07:32:15] <Tinuva> oh wait its afternoon here
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[02-Apr-2007 08:13:02] <jeg1972> It's afternoon here now :-)
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[02-Apr-2007 09:21:34] <jp10558> chet: hey, I'm trying to follow your source install howto, but once I install mysql, I try service mysqld start, but I get an unrecognized service error. Any idea?
[02-Apr-2007 09:28:45] <N[]VA> whats the exact error?
[02-Apr-2007 09:32:30] <chet> jp10558: Do you have the /etc/init.d/mysqld file?
[02-Apr-2007 09:34:38] <jp10558> no
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[02-Apr-2007 09:39:02] <chet> Are you sure that the mysql RPM actually installed?
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[02-Apr-2007 09:57:17] <jreese2> hah!
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[02-Apr-2007 10:01:45] <chet> jreese2: I got your message. So everything working now? I got some time last night to go through and build a DHCP pool extension myself.
[02-Apr-2007 10:03:06] <jp10558> mmm? I did yum, it went through to 100% and didn't give me any errors
[02-Apr-2007 10:03:17] <jp10558> how would I tell if the install worked?
[02-Apr-2007 10:03:35] <chet> rpm -aq|grep mysql
[02-Apr-2007 10:03:48] <jreese2> chet: yep, everything is working great
[02-Apr-2007 10:04:03] <jreese2> got some good collection over the weekend
[02-Apr-2007 10:05:52] <jp10558> I got mysql-5.0.27-1.el4.centos and mysql-devel-5.0.27.1.el4.centos
[02-Apr-2007 10:05:53] <chet> Cool. So it turns out that the whole SnmpCollector thing must be legacy and unused, eh?
[02-Apr-2007 10:05:59] <jreese> apparently so
[02-Apr-2007 10:06:21] <jreese> do you by chance know what the "Custom" field in the rrdtemplate edit page is for?
[02-Apr-2007 10:08:02] <chet> You mean for the graph?
[02-Apr-2007 10:08:28] <jreese> yeah
[02-Apr-2007 10:08:35] <jreese> on the datasource
[02-Apr-2007 10:09:28] <chet> You can stick extra CDEFS and rrdgraph definitions in there.
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:03] <jreese> ok
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:05] <jreese> good
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:51] <chet> Like for my DHCP pools, I collect the active leases and model the total leases and I want my graph to show me % utilized.. so I put this in the custom field:
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:51] <chet> CDEF:percent=usedLeases_usedLeases,${here/totalLeases},/,100,*
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:51] <chet> AREA:percent#00cc00:utilization
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[02-Apr-2007 10:12:19] <jp10558> do I maybe need to do something else beyond the yum ...
[02-Apr-2007 10:12:23] <jreese> oh sweet, perfect
[02-Apr-2007 10:12:26] <jreese> perfect perfect perfect
[02-Apr-2007 10:12:53] <chet> jp10558: Those packages should be enough. I don't understand why they wouldn't have installed the init script.
[02-Apr-2007 10:13:32] <jreese> is it possible to run an algorithm on a CDEF that is already defined?
[02-Apr-2007 10:13:36] <chet> yes
[02-Apr-2007 10:14:14] <chet> As soon as they're defined they're exactly like regular DEFs.
[02-Apr-2007 10:14:39] <jreese> hrm
[02-Apr-2007 10:14:56] <jreese> i have a lot to learn with rrd
[02-Apr-2007 10:15:21] <chet> heh.. it's really simple if/when you understand RPN.
[02-Apr-2007 10:15:51] <jreese> i've known RPN for a while (dad had a calculator that i used a lot back in high school)
[02-Apr-2007 10:17:22] <jreese> my snmp source gives bytes/sec, i want to convert it to bits/sec without doing it in python if possible
[02-Apr-2007 10:17:28] <jp10558> mmm
[02-Apr-2007 10:17:47] <chet> Yup.. that's a common one.
[02-Apr-2007 10:18:04] <jp10558> is there a way for me to manually get the init script in there?
[02-Apr-2007 10:18:14] <jp10558> or is it just not going to work?
[02-Apr-2007 10:18:42] <chet> jp10558: No good manual way.. what version of SL are you running?
[02-Apr-2007 10:19:21] <chet> jreese: You're better off scaling that in the RPN field of the data source, not the graph.
[02-Apr-2007 10:19:25] <chet> jreese: Much easier that way.
[02-Apr-2007 10:19:38] <chet> Just stick "8,*" in that RPN field.
[02-Apr-2007 10:20:15] <chet> jreese: That way zenoss actually creates the CDEFs for you no matter which graph/report your data source ends up in.
[02-Apr-2007 10:20:22] <jreese> ah hah
[02-Apr-2007 10:20:26] <jreese> in the data point
[02-Apr-2007 10:20:44] <chet> ack, yes, data point.. my terminology is confus(ed|ing)
[02-Apr-2007 10:21:08] <jp10558> SL4
[02-Apr-2007 10:21:18] <jreese> perfect
[02-Apr-2007 10:21:23] <jp10558> 4.4 beryllium
[02-Apr-2007 10:21:42] <chet> jp10558: That's the same version I made my HOWTO on..
[02-Apr-2007 10:22:19] <jreese> and then adding a 95th percentile would go on the graph
[02-Apr-2007 10:22:53] <chet> yeah
[02-Apr-2007 10:24:52] <chet> jp10558: Hmm.. I don't have the init script either.
[02-Apr-2007 10:25:18] <chet> jp10558: I'm perhaps an idiot.
[02-Apr-2007 10:26:16] <jp10558> Well, you seem to know far more about this than I do - I suppose I'll check with my linux people then
[02-Apr-2007 10:27:05] <chet> jp10558: Nah.. just "yum install mysql-server"
[02-Apr-2007 10:27:15] <chet> jp10558: Then proceed with the howto.
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[02-Apr-2007 10:30:31] <jp10558> ok, trying that chet
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[02-Apr-2007 10:30:34] <jp10558> thanks for all the help!
[02-Apr-2007 10:31:23] <chet> PerlStalker: Did you ever manage to get that AP/SU thing going?
[02-Apr-2007 10:32:07] <PerlStalker> I decided to let it rest until ZenPacks hit stable.
[02-Apr-2007 10:33:03] <PerlStalker> But, if the boss can free the cash, we may just snag some cosulting and get it done that way.
[02-Apr-2007 10:39:38] <jreese> does zenoss have a built-in percentile function like cacti?
[02-Apr-2007 10:46:36] <creiht> jreese: For like 95th% bandwidth charts?
[02-Apr-2007 10:47:47] <jreese> yeah
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[02-Apr-2007 10:48:00] <jreese> just tried a VDEF but it killed everything else in my graph, lol
[02-Apr-2007 10:52:47] <creiht> jreese: I don't think it does by default, but I have seen a lot of discussions fly by about it in the mailing lists
[02-Apr-2007 10:53:58] <jreese> k
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[02-Apr-2007 10:54:57] <jreese> ahh
[02-Apr-2007 10:55:31] <jreese> damn, nvm...hrm....
[02-Apr-2007 10:56:49] <jp10558> chet: mmm, I was doing the python install, and at the end I got:
[02-Apr-2007 10:57:08] <jp10558> make: *** [libinstall] Error 1
[02-Apr-2007 10:57:16] <jp10558> I assume this is a problem?
[02-Apr-2007 11:06:50] <jreese> hmm
[02-Apr-2007 11:07:49] <jreese> ahh
[02-Apr-2007 11:08:00] <jreese> if you specify custom rrd on the graph page it'l kill everything that zenoss makes
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[02-Apr-2007 11:41:23] <jp10558> never mind
[02-Apr-2007 11:41:25] <jp10558> make
[02-Apr-2007 11:41:27] <jp10558> then make install worked
[02-Apr-2007 11:53:03] <jp10558> chet: now I got to svn install, but I got a URL doesn't exist error
[02-Apr-2007 11:54:00] <chet> What does "echo $SVNTAG" output?
[02-Apr-2007 11:54:01] <jp10558> specifically
[02-Apr-2007 11:54:15] <jp10558> nothing
[02-Apr-2007 11:54:17] <jp10558> a blank line
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:08] <chet> Are you the zenoss user?
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:24] <jp10558> I did SU zenoss
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:32] <jp10558> so yes
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:39] <chet> After you made the changes to the .bash_profile?
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:45] <jp10558> yes
[02-Apr-2007 11:56:13] <chet> Did you "su zenoss" or "su - zenoss" ?
[02-Apr-2007 11:57:17] <jp10558> su zenoss
[02-Apr-2007 11:58:10] <chet> You need to do the latter or your .bash_profile won't be read and the environment won't be setup.
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:15] <jreese> where does zenoss store the custom rrd entries on the file system/
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:17] <jreese> ?*
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:24] <jp10558> ok
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:45] <chet> $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/yourdevice/os/iissites..
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:46] <jp10558> that worked - thanks
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:54] <jreese> no, like the rrd commands
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[02-Apr-2007 12:00:15] <jreese> i put in some custom command and now zenoss won't work at all, lol
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[02-Apr-2007 12:00:29] <chet> They're stored in the ZODB, not the file system.
[02-Apr-2007 12:00:34] <jreese> hrm
[02-Apr-2007 12:00:39] <jreese> no way to edit it manually?
[02-Apr-2007 12:00:48] <chet> You could do it via zendmd
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[02-Apr-2007 12:04:21] <jreese> grr, wtf
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:02] <illsci> where do you put zenoss's home dir on your box
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:15] <illsci> if you install to /usr/local/zenoss
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:20] <illsci> do you put it in there... or no
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:35] <illsci> also if your untar'd install dir where should that be...
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:45] <chet> It doesn't matter where the home directory is.
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:47] <illsci> i was doing it from /tmp the other day
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:54] <illsci> and i kept getting errors
[02-Apr-2007 12:08:03] <illsci> i forget what it was... ill give it another shot of installing in a bit
[02-Apr-2007 12:08:19] <illsci> I had /usr/local/zenoss chown'd to zenoss too
[02-Apr-2007 12:08:31] <illsci> ill have to check it out again
[02-Apr-2007 12:10:26] <jreese> erm, strange
[02-Apr-2007 12:10:33] <jreese> getting a "xmlrpclib.ResponseError"
[02-Apr-2007 12:12:09] <jp10558> I got an error unable to build zenoss and depencies
[02-Apr-2007 12:12:28] <jp10558> In zenbuild.log
[02-Apr-2007 12:12:32] <jp10558> I have at the end
[02-Apr-2007 12:12:56] <jp10558> could not find platform independent libraries <prefix>
[02-Apr-2007 12:13:18] <jp10558> followed by could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix>
[02-Apr-2007 12:14:00] <jp10558> and some traceback, and then ImportError: No modle named distutils.core
[02-Apr-2007 12:14:09] <jp10558> chet: any ideas?
[02-Apr-2007 12:14:56] <chet> what does "which python" output/
[02-Apr-2007 12:15:38] <jp10558> ~/bin/python
[02-Apr-2007 12:16:12] <jreese> this is flippin weird... the web server for zenoss just crapped out, for no reason that i can find...can't even get to the main page
[02-Apr-2007 12:18:25] <chet> Does ~/lib/python2.4/distutils/core.py exist?
[02-Apr-2007 12:19:36] <jp10558> no
[02-Apr-2007 12:20:44] <chet> Then python wasn't installed completely. You should try it again.
[02-Apr-2007 12:21:06] <jp10558> oh
[02-Apr-2007 12:21:07] <jp10558> ok
[02-Apr-2007 12:21:40] <jreese> sigh
[02-Apr-2007 12:29:14] <jp10558> hmmm - I ran through the install of python again... it seems to work? This time though I got an error on gmake for epydoc-install
[02-Apr-2007 12:29:51] <chet> Did it install that core.py file this time?
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[02-Apr-2007 12:31:31] <jreese> ok, i've got a corrupted record in zope, cool
[02-Apr-2007 12:32:18] <jp10558> no
[02-Apr-2007 12:32:20] <jp10558> mmm
[02-Apr-2007 12:32:28] <jreese> fixed it, yay
[02-Apr-2007 12:32:37] <jp10558> I can't figure what's wrong, I do exactly that the howto does
[02-Apr-2007 12:33:02] <jp10558> well, except I had to do make
[02-Apr-2007 12:33:06] <jp10558> then make install for it to not error out
[02-Apr-2007 12:37:57] <jreese> now my hrule isn't graphing at the right spot :'(
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[02-Apr-2007 13:15:49] <jreese> i've got everything working great now
[02-Apr-2007 13:15:52] <jreese> hoot
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[02-Apr-2007 13:31:45] <jreese> apparently my home connection is having issues
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[02-Apr-2007 14:18:28] <jp10558> chet: I checked out the python install again, and when I do make, there is one notice I see which might help figure out what the problem is - I get an INFO: Can't locate Tcl/Tk libs and/or headers
[02-Apr-2007 14:18:40] <jp10558> would that maybe indicate why the python install isn't working?
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[02-Apr-2007 15:22:02] <stockholm> hi
[02-Apr-2007 15:22:27] <stockholm> i was reading the "comparison" page on the webpage and am using munin...
[02-Apr-2007 15:22:40] <stockholm> could someone please compare zenoss to munin for me?
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[02-Apr-2007 15:35:37] <korozion> munin just graphs things
[02-Apr-2007 15:36:28] <stockholm> and zenoss also gives acustic representations? :-)
[02-Apr-2007 15:37:10] <korozion> I'm pretty new to ZenOSS myself
[02-Apr-2007 15:37:16] <korozion> but I know it can graph too
[02-Apr-2007 15:38:02] <stockholm> right
[02-Apr-2007 15:39:09] <korozion> zenoss can do a lot more than just graphing
[02-Apr-2007 15:40:20] <stockholm> korozion: like notification aka nagios?
[02-Apr-2007 15:40:33] <korozion> indeed
[02-Apr-2007 15:40:47] <stockholm> how old is the project?
[02-Apr-2007 15:41:00] <korozion> I'm not sure
[02-Apr-2007 15:41:28] <korozion> but they sent me a tee-shirt, so I like them
[02-Apr-2007 15:42:03] <stockholm> and do they have a debian package?
[02-Apr-2007 15:42:19] <stockholm> i see a redhat ready logo
[02-Apr-2007 15:42:25] <stockholm> but i need debian
[02-Apr-2007 15:42:42] <korozion> I have it installed on kubuntu, and I'm pretty sure I had it on Debian once
[02-Apr-2007 15:43:05] <bzed> stockholm: I'm working on a debian package
[02-Apr-2007 15:43:37] <bzed> stockholm: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=361253
[02-Apr-2007 15:43:37] <adytum-bot> Title: #361253 - ITP: zenoss -- Zenoss is a powerful, integrated, easy-to-use IT infrastructure monitoring software product. - Debian Bug report logs (at bugs.debian.org)
[02-Apr-2007 15:43:39] <stockholm> bzed: yay
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[02-Apr-2007 15:43:56] <korozion> what I need is to know snmp better :S
[02-Apr-2007 15:44:46] <jreese> i read a blog post that someone got it working in debian
[02-Apr-2007 15:44:49] <jreese> (zenoss blog)
[02-Apr-2007 15:44:57] <bzed> jreese: that was from me
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:03] <jreese> fair enough!
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:18] <korozion> bzed: do you go over snmp config at all in said blog post?
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:22] <bzed> stockholm: i'm working together with an ubuntu developer on it, he wants to get it into the next ubuntu server, so I guess we'll ahve packages in a few weeks. a lot to do until then, though
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:30] <bzed> korozion: no
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:34] <korozion> bummer
[02-Apr-2007 15:46:30] <stockholm> bzed: i see you got a harsh comment about the package description
[02-Apr-2007 15:46:54] <stockholm> bzed: can you give a better description now? :-)
[02-Apr-2007 15:47:45] <bzed> stockholm: that was not from me
[02-Apr-2007 15:48:03] <bzed> stockholm: I hijacked the bug report after nobody took care of it for a year
[02-Apr-2007 15:48:12] <bzed> stockholm: you need to read the mails from this year
[02-Apr-2007 15:48:35] <stockholm> ah
[02-Apr-2007 15:50:48] <stockholm> it uses zope etc?
[02-Apr-2007 15:50:52] <bzed> yes
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:07] <creiht> korozion: Check out http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:08] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:08] <creiht> That should have everything you need for snmp configuration
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:17] <bzed> stockholm: our todo list is at http://bzed.de/debian/packages/zenoss/start
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:30] <korozion> creiht: you're a good man, thanks!
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:00] <stockholm> bzed: sounds like quite some work.
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:14] <bzed> it is
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:24] <stockholm> bzed: do you get the feeling the software is of good quality?
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:39] <stockholm> (usually you notice that when packaging something :-)
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:42] <creiht> stockholm: I have been using it for over a year now
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:03] <stockholm> creiht: and?
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:08] <stockholm> how big is your installation?
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:11] <creiht> And the quality has been pretty good, especially for how fast they have been adding changes
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:26] <stockholm> how many updates did you do?
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:30] <creiht> I've gone through probably 5 upgrades
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:33] <stockholm> did they disrupt your operation?
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:44] <creiht> only for the period of time it took to upgrade
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:54] <stockholm> and they were smooth?
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:02] <creiht> I have had one hiccup
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:05] <stockholm> how do you update all the clients?
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:07] <creiht> But that was more my fault
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:14] <jp10558> I'm getting to the point I wish they provided a iso for installing the entire system, not just a VMWare image. My experiance has been that the initial install can be really difficult
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:20] <creiht> and was easy to fix
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:28] <creiht> since it is snmp you don't have to update the clients
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:52] <stockholm> hm, but snmp is a security problem, isnt it?
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:53] <jp10558> Though I guess it's mostly related to trying to get WMI working and random hoops I've jumped through to that end
[02-Apr-2007 15:57:57] <creiht> stockholm: In which way
[02-Apr-2007 15:58:03] <bzed> imho the idea of an installer which brings all its depenncies is good, although that doesn't work for a serious packaging. if I'd try to get a several hundred MB large package into debian, which contains a ton of stuff which IS in debian allready, somebody would chop my head off
[02-Apr-2007 15:58:46] <stockholm> creiht: did you hear that snmp had the worst results of all reviewd projects when they did a code quality comparison?
[02-Apr-2007 15:59:01] <bzed> creiht: as far as I remember did netsnmp have a TON of security related bugs. i would never expose snmp to a public network, that's what admin networks are for\
[02-Apr-2007 15:59:03] <creiht> stockholm: link?
[02-Apr-2007 15:59:54] <creiht> If you don't use snmp, you use some other sort of agent, which will likely have a similar security
[02-Apr-2007 16:00:05] <stockholm> creiht: it was done by the stanford checker people. dont know, they started an own company and did the static analysis of the code with money from the defense department
[02-Apr-2007 16:00:10] <creiht> gotta run to a meeting... bbl
[02-Apr-2007 16:00:32] <jp10558> I also don't really see a recommended/supported OS listed, just some RPMs, which makes me think that Redhat derivitaves would be OK - but RHEL derivities like SL4 have versions of many dependencies that are older than what zenoss wants
[02-Apr-2007 16:00:47] <jp10558> so it can be a real pain
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:13] <bzed> doesn't the zenoss rpm bring all depencies? the spec file looked so
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:13] <jp10558> I hope the next version is just run and go on linux, without python issues on windows etc for WMI
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:14] * stockholm will wait for the debian package in order to evaluate it
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:36] <jp10558> well, my experiance was:
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:46] <jp10558> the RPM does not bring Python 2.4 or newer
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:54] <jp10558> it seems to work with 2.3 on SL4
[02-Apr-2007 16:02:03] <jp10558> but it breaks ZenWin, so WMI just doesn't work
[02-Apr-2007 16:02:04] <bzed> stockholm: if you want add my blog feed or the namespace changes to your feedreader and you'll see when there's anything to test
[02-Apr-2007 16:02:31] <jp10558> and you can't just upgrade python in redhat based distros because it breaks redhat tools
[02-Apr-2007 16:02:37] <bzed> haha
[02-Apr-2007 16:03:00] <jp10558> so now I'm halfway throug ha source install where now python 2.4.4 won't install correctly, and I'm not sure if anyone knows why
[02-Apr-2007 16:03:12] <bzed> makes me wonder why they don't ship python, building that, too, shouldn't be a problem. the externallibs folder is bing enough
[02-Apr-2007 16:03:26] <jp10558> so overall, Zenoss is great, but it's WMI doesn't seem to work reliably - which is what I really wanted it for
[02-Apr-2007 16:03:38] <jp10558> so I might wait till 1.2 and hope
[02-Apr-2007 16:05:28] <stockholm> what is WMI?
[02-Apr-2007 16:07:20] <jp10558> Windows Management Instrimentation
[02-Apr-2007 16:07:33] <jp10558> Basically how you can monitor windows services and event logs
[02-Apr-2007 16:07:51] <stockholm> ah, we have only debian server to monitor
[02-Apr-2007 16:08:15] <stockholm> would it be the right tool for that to start with?
[02-Apr-2007 16:08:16] <jp10558> Then ZenOSS is fine as long as you have SNMP setup right on the debian servers
[02-Apr-2007 16:08:51] <stockholm> well, we wont expose any snmp on the servers for sure :-)
[02-Apr-2007 16:09:56] <jp10558> Then ZenOSS won't do much... it monitors SNMP, and theoritically WMI.
[02-Apr-2007 16:10:05] <bzed> you can use the nagios plugins
[02-Apr-2007 16:10:08] <jp10558> How would you monitor the servers?
[02-Apr-2007 16:10:57] <stockholm> i would use munin and nagios.
[02-Apr-2007 16:11:12] <stockholm> munin for the graphing and nagios for the notification
[02-Apr-2007 16:12:23] <jp10558> nagios uses SNMP?
[02-Apr-2007 16:12:59] <stockholm> no, i think it has an own client
[02-Apr-2007 16:13:04] <jp10558> Oh, I see, you install a client
[02-Apr-2007 16:13:10] <jp10558> well, you might want to look at Zabbix
[02-Apr-2007 16:13:24] <jreese> my iis "plugin" is working: http://planettau.com/not4u/zenoss/zenoss-iis.png
[02-Apr-2007 16:13:40] <jp10558> Generally, I am trying to minimise the number of clients on servers, or any machine (I'd like to monitor my workstations as well)
[02-Apr-2007 16:14:03] <jp10558> But Zenoss in maybe 6 months is planning on haveing agents also, so maybe check back then
[02-Apr-2007 16:14:14] <bzed> jp10558: you can use snmp or use clients. but for example to check if a webserver is up, I don't need a client on the server
[02-Apr-2007 16:14:26] <jp10558> Right - that is the case
[02-Apr-2007 16:14:49] <jp10558> I was saying in general, you need SNMP or a client or WMI or something to monitor services on a machine
[02-Apr-2007 16:15:13] <bzed> and on machines in the DMZ i'd never install snmp for example
[02-Apr-2007 16:15:50] <jp10558> My plan is to try and minimize clients on a machine, but maybe something like Zabbix/Hyperix is easier to set up, and their client has a negligable impact
[02-Apr-2007 16:16:14] <jp10558> My situation is somewhat different, I'm looking to monitor things inside the firewall - no DMZ to talk about
[02-Apr-2007 16:16:27] <jp10558> we just block SNMP in/out at the firewall
[02-Apr-2007 16:16:37] <bzed> the nagios plugins are easy to install, too.... well.. on debian... it's apt-get install nagios... and you're done
[02-Apr-2007 16:16:49] <bzed> yeah, same here, but we ahve some servers in the DMZ, too
[02-Apr-2007 16:17:16] <stockholm> the servers i have are all publicly accessible.
[02-Apr-2007 16:17:52] <jp10558> I'm beginning to wonder if Zabbix wouldnt' be worth checking out, I certainly understand client based systems better - but my boss really wants to not have another client on our machines
[02-Apr-2007 16:19:30] <stockholm> well, if he has snmp? :-)
[02-Apr-2007 16:19:41] <bzed> stockholm: our servers have all two interfaces, one which provides the services like smb, netatalk and the other 1000 things our users need, and one interface within an admin lan. so that's not a problem to run snmp without sharing it for the whole house
[02-Apr-2007 16:22:34] <jp10558> Well, I suppose that's part of what I have to map out, is SNMP + Informant as heavy as say a Zabbix client? less, more? Which is more likely to interfere with other software?
[02-Apr-2007 16:44:35] <bzed> jp10558: seriously - I ahve no clue about zabbix. http://pandora.sourceforge.net/ is another system like zenoss and nagios, probably you want to check that out, too
[02-Apr-2007 16:45:05] <bzed> I mainly decided to use zenoss becuase it's using python, which is my favourite language actually
[02-Apr-2007 16:45:26] <bzed> and because it brings all things I need of course
[02-Apr-2007 16:46:14] <illsci> i think every one of the opensource monitoring systems work the same way
[02-Apr-2007 16:46:24] <illsci> clients, snmp, and external polling of services
[02-Apr-2007 16:47:25] <bzed> I think there's not realyl any other way to do the job
[02-Apr-2007 16:47:44] <bzed> you can't do magic, and you need a way to get the data
[02-Apr-2007 16:47:52] <illsci> if the box is in the dmx why not just firewall it off so only the montoring station can use inbound whatever
[02-Apr-2007 16:48:01] <illsci> snmp or whatever other protocol you are using
[02-Apr-2007 16:48:05] <illsci> dmz..
[02-Apr-2007 16:49:13] <bzed> sure, that would work, too. but I coudl also live with an unpriviledged user which runs some client via ssh
[02-Apr-2007 16:49:37] <illsci> or snmp via ssh
[02-Apr-2007 16:50:50] <bzed> yeah. I want to avoid to ahve snmp listening on an interface at all. a firewall can fail (and if the reason is a dumb admin), so I prefer not to have any service running which is not really needed
[02-Apr-2007 16:51:22] <bzed> and if I have to choose between *something via ssh* and snmp, then I'd go the ssh way
[02-Apr-2007 16:51:54] <bzed> probably a bit parainod, but better a bit too apranoid thatn visitors from outer space
[02-Apr-2007 16:51:58] <illsci> i agree... the network permiter is every host
[02-Apr-2007 16:53:07] <illsci> that's why using something like grsec is a good idea as well
[02-Apr-2007 16:53:23] <bzed> definitely
[02-Apr-2007 16:53:33] <bzed> I have that on as many machines as possible
[02-Apr-2007 16:55:55] <bzed> the other lucky thing for me is that I'm working at a university's department, so there's always another firewall between the world an us, as the there's one between the university's network and the rest of the world. that means that I don't ahve to take care of DOS attacks and things like that.
[02-Apr-2007 16:57:31] <illsci> well... i don't agree that firewalls protect against dos at all
[02-Apr-2007 16:57:39] <illsci> infact dos'ing a firewall is pretty easy
[02-Apr-2007 16:58:40] <illsci> all you can do is have lots of bandwidth and figure out who's doing it and have them blocked on upstream routers that can handle the load
[02-Apr-2007 17:00:00] <illsci> there is some other services i know of that are going to come out soon offering ddos protection from some companies that have crazy bandwidth...
[02-Apr-2007 17:00:04] <illsci> there are
[02-Apr-2007 17:03:47] <illsci> well, its time to go sit in traffic... bbl
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[02-Apr-2007 17:10:52] <creiht> stockholm: Zenoss can use nagios plugins, so anything you can monitor with nagios, you can monitor with zenoss
[02-Apr-2007 17:11:32] <stockholm> creiht: ah, good
[02-Apr-2007 17:11:35] <creiht> It also has a project called zenplugins which is remote scripts that are run on the servers, if you don't want to run snmp or nagios plugins
[02-Apr-2007 17:12:37] <creiht> stockholm: There is also a VMWare player image set up with zenoss that makes it very simple to evaluate if you just want to take it for a spin
[02-Apr-2007 17:21:22] <bzed> illsci: nah, didn't want to say it that way. what I wanted to say is: the univiersity's firewall/filters/... protects our departments firewall from DOSes.
[02-Apr-2007 17:21:44] <bzed> stockholm: we'll package the zenplugins for debian and ubuntu, too - ofcourse
[02-Apr-2007 17:23:13] <stockholm> :-)
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[02-Apr-2007 18:10:00] <WolfeWLU> Hello everyone.
[02-Apr-2007 18:10:17] <WolfeWLU> This is probably a stupid question..but coming from Nagios and reading the Zenoss docs I can't seem to figure it out.
[02-Apr-2007 18:10:45] <WolfeWLU> How can I attach an active ping probe to a device that will alert if the latency and/or packet loss gets above a certain level?
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[02-Apr-2007 18:17:32] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: hey man, I just saw your question, but I unfortunately can't stick around -- however
[02-Apr-2007 18:17:42] <oubiwann> I can provide you with a link that should get you going
[02-Apr-2007 18:19:17] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate
[02-Apr-2007 18:19:17] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToNagiosCreateTemplate - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-Apr-2007 18:19:38] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: coming from Nagios-land, that should give you a nice jump start... the Zenoss terminology can be a bit funny
[02-Apr-2007 18:20:12] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: and can take some getting used to... the glossary might help: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/ZenossGlossary
[02-Apr-2007 18:20:12] <adytum-bot> Title: ZenossGlossary - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-Apr-2007 19:00:13] <WolfeWLU> oubiwann: Thank you so much!
[02-Apr-2007 19:00:17] <WolfeWLU> That rocks.
[02-Apr-2007 19:00:30] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: you bet man ;-)
[02-Apr-2007 19:00:43] <WolfeWLU> Everythings glued together just a little different.
[02-Apr-2007 19:03:08] <WolfeWLU> Wow I was off.
[02-Apr-2007 19:03:10] <WolfeWLU> Thanks again.
[02-Apr-2007 19:09:44] <WolfeWLU> So if I understand correctly, rather than creating checks that you then bind to specific devices, you nav to the place in the device class that contains the types of devices you want the check to apply to. Then you edit the "Device" template with the appropriate checks?
[02-Apr-2007 19:10:21] <oubiwann> yes, that's correct -- but you *can* also do this directly on devices
[02-Apr-2007 19:10:41] <oubiwann> but that only makes sense if you need the check for one device only
[02-Apr-2007 19:10:46] <WolfeWLU> OK.
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[02-Apr-2007 19:12:03] <WolfeWLU> Would be nice to have the flexibility to define the checks separately, then bind them to specific templates.
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[02-Apr-2007 19:16:09] <WolfeWLU> Can you inherit the settings of the existing "Device" template higher up in the hierarchy when creating a new one?
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[02-Apr-2007 19:27:14] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: it depends what you are calling "up"
[02-Apr-2007 19:28:07] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: /Devices/Linux inherits from /Devices
[02-Apr-2007 19:29:17] <oubiwann> likewise, if you had /Devices/Linux/Servers, it would inherit from /Devices/Linux, which inherits from /Devices
[02-Apr-2007 19:29:30] <oubiwann> inheritance works on parent-child relationships
[02-Apr-2007 19:29:31] <WolfeWLU> oubiwann: I guess what I'm asking is if I customize "Device" in /Devices/JuniperRouters...then I go to customize "Device" in /Devices/JuniperRouters/HA will "Device" in "HA" inherit the customization from "Device" in "JuniperRouters".
[02-Apr-2007 19:29:43] <oubiwann> yup
[02-Apr-2007 19:30:05] <oubiwann> that's exactly the convenience that Zenoss was built around :-)
[02-Apr-2007 19:30:37] <WolfeWLU> That's pretty cool. :-)
[02-Apr-2007 19:31:42] <WolfeWLU> So a device would get all the properties of "Device" in /Devices/JuniperRouters" and /Devices/JuniperRouters/HA?
[02-Apr-2007 19:32:06] <WolfeWLU> Also, does Zenoss understand the difference between warn and critical on Nagios plugins?
[02-Apr-2007 19:35:18] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: well, generally, yes -- it does get all the properties... but inheritance means that you only need to change something in the child that you want to override from the parent
[02-Apr-2007 19:35:47] <WolfeWLU> On a per-property basis?
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:19] <WolfeWLU> Having worked with Zope...just trying to understand if its overriding the entire "Device" object or per-property.
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:20] <oubiwann> But if an attribute was overridden in JuniperRouters then HA will get the attribute from the parent, not the grandparent
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:30] <WolfeWLU> OK.
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:33] <WolfeWLU> That makes sense.
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:53] <oubiwann> cool
[02-Apr-2007 19:37:30] <WolfeWLU> Hmm...looks like its overriding the entire "Device" object.
[02-Apr-2007 19:38:10] <WolfeWLU> Created a "Ping" check in the /Devices "Device" object. Didn't show up in devices in /Devices/JuniperRouters
[02-Apr-2007 19:38:39] <WolfeWLU> Because I've overridden the "Device" object there and that "Device" object doesn't have a ping check.
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[03-Apr-2007 04:49:56] <heldt> anyone here?
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[03-Apr-2007 07:02:13] <chairuou> anyone success to install ZenOSS with MySQL 4.x ?
[03-Apr-2007 07:03:27] <b52lap> chairuou, i have installed once zenoss , and from what i have read in the mailling list , you should seriously considere to move in mysql5
[03-Apr-2007 07:04:49] <chairuou> ok, tks...
[03-Apr-2007 07:05:07] * chairuou goto moved slackware 10.2 to 11.0 now
[03-Apr-2007 07:05:19] <b52lap> :d
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[03-Apr-2007 07:17:37] <jeg1972> Afternoon everyone!
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[03-Apr-2007 08:26:48] <claros> EHLO Zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 08:29:28] <claros> I need help about performance templates and custom variables, anybody on line?
[03-Apr-2007 08:29:30] <ricko73> claros: quiet channel
[03-Apr-2007 08:29:42] <claros> VERY quiet
[03-Apr-2007 08:30:20] <ricko73> I can't be of much help yet. I set up the virtual machine demo last week and have only added one device so far
[03-Apr-2007 08:31:25] <claros> I just set up 130 devices in one day, but need halp on very uncommon section...
[03-Apr-2007 08:31:35] <jp10558> claros: you should wait for chet to come online
[03-Apr-2007 08:32:11] <claros> chet is a developer?
[03-Apr-2007 08:32:58] <claros> I think so...
[03-Apr-2007 08:33:38] <claros> we are going to have lunch here (ITALY) see you later
[03-Apr-2007 08:33:41] <claros> Bye
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[03-Apr-2007 10:20:37] <illsci> hey whats up
[03-Apr-2007 10:21:31] <illsci> does zenoss support a way to allow restricted access to certain parts of the dashboard or zenoss? For example if you had customers you wanted to allow to view only their companies infos
[03-Apr-2007 10:43:51] <cdillardhsp> not that I've seen
[03-Apr-2007 10:45:07] <creiht> illsci: I believe that you can not to that extent yet
[03-Apr-2007 10:45:46] <illsci> if you could and allow permission based acknowledgement that would be cool too
[03-Apr-2007 10:45:52] <creiht> illsci: What info do you want them to see?
[03-Apr-2007 10:45:59] <illsci> there alerts
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:02] <illsci> events...
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[03-Apr-2007 10:46:14] <creiht> I've made a page that linked to the performance graphs
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:23] <creiht> Of certain devices
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:35] <illsci> i think a good way would be to create group based dashboards and allow access to that
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:39] <creiht> Not sure if you could do alerts and events though
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:51] <illsci> alerts == events
[03-Apr-2007 10:47:02] <illsci> forgive me for my complete lack of correct use of terms
[03-Apr-2007 10:47:10] <creiht> You can create a read-only account, but they would be able to see everything
[03-Apr-2007 10:47:45] <illsci> i would love to be able to have a dashboard created with admin defined priveledges
[03-Apr-2007 10:48:13] <illsci> and one of the features to be to allow users who log in to ack events
[03-Apr-2007 10:48:50] <creiht> illsci: There is a mechanism so that you can set what boxes a user can admin
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:08] <creiht> I haven't used it though, so I'm not cmpletly sure what that does
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:09] <illsci> think about this from a managed services company point of view
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:13] <illsci> you manage all these devices
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:32] <creiht> illsci: Oh I completely understand.... That's what my company does
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:33] <illsci> you monitor them 24/7 for someone and they, the someone, would like a view into what you are monitoring
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:42] <illsci> word up
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:47] <creiht> Though we don't use zenoss for that
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:53] <creiht> unfortunately
[03-Apr-2007 10:50:10] <illsci> i worked at the symantec mssp for a while...
[03-Apr-2007 10:50:11] <creiht> I use it internally to monitor internal devices important to my group
[03-Apr-2007 10:50:54] <illsci> i just know what people want to see... and what would be of use to me..
[03-Apr-2007 10:51:29] <creiht> I know there have been a lot of requests for something like that
[03-Apr-2007 10:51:38] <illsci> and then integrate a ticketing system
[03-Apr-2007 10:52:29] <creiht> It should be easy to integrate with other systems
[03-Apr-2007 10:53:22] <illsci> im not sure what the right way to do tha twould be... have you ever seen atlasian... the wiki can accept emails
[03-Apr-2007 10:53:44] <creiht> illsci: Confluence? Yes we use it here..
[03-Apr-2007 10:53:52] <illsci> yeah i thought that was pretty cool
[03-Apr-2007 10:54:01] <creiht> It's pretty nice
[03-Apr-2007 10:54:10] <creiht> I haven't used the email functionality though
[03-Apr-2007 10:54:59] <creiht> You can set up zenoss to run scripts when certain events happen
[03-Apr-2007 10:55:14] <creiht> So as long as you could create a ticket with a script, then that is one easy way
[03-Apr-2007 10:55:33] <illsci> i just wonder if thats the right way to do that
[03-Apr-2007 10:55:49] <illsci> you could just have the event generate an email and something to process inbound emails...
[03-Apr-2007 10:56:15] <illsci> you could have it call someone and play a canned message... there you go automated 24/7 monitoring
[03-Apr-2007 10:56:30] <illsci> "You server $server is down"
[03-Apr-2007 10:57:09] <creiht> hehe
[03-Apr-2007 10:57:21] <creiht> That's nice unless you get 100 alerts at once
[03-Apr-2007 10:57:30] <illsci>
[03-Apr-2007 10:57:51] <illsci> most companies that do that stuff have sla's on ammount of time it takes to notify someone of a down device
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:11] <creiht> yup
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:15] <illsci> you could totally automate that
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:28] <creiht> Been there, done that
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:30] <illsci> and have it go through customer device call lists
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:42] <illsci> device == defined
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:50] <creiht> yup
[03-Apr-2007 10:59:58] <illsci> ive wanted to write something like this but i never get passed where to start...
[03-Apr-2007 11:00:05] <creiht> hehe
[03-Apr-2007 11:00:06] <illsci> i read the doc on python.org about rackspace... and there
[03-Apr-2007 11:00:11] <illsci> stuff
[03-Apr-2007 11:00:14] <creiht> Well I can tell you that it is a really big project
[03-Apr-2007 11:01:20] <creiht> hehe... I forgot that article is there... A bit out of date
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:19] <illsci> so.. how do you integrate your monitoring with your ticketing
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:38] <illsci> query a database for flagged events...
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:43] <creiht> hrmmmm
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:53] <illsci> one shared database..
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:53] <creiht> It's a bit complicated
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:02] <illsci> i just wonder what the best way to do it is
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:07] <creiht> As there are many monitoring systems
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:16] <illsci> ok so say you choose to use zenoss...
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:26] <creiht> And I'm not sure how much I can talk about it
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:30] <illsci> right
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:36] <creiht> but
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:38] <illsci> i havent dug into this at all yet
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:42] <creiht> If I were to use zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:54] <creiht> Zenoss would be responsible for the polling
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:17] <creiht> You could have zenoss autogenerate tickets in your ticketing system
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:20] <creiht> Or emails
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:26] <illsci> what about tis database
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:41] <illsci> i dont know how its stored internally in zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:52] <jreese> you'd want to use it's api
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:57] <creiht> yeah
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:00] <illsci> hmm... ok
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:04] <creiht> You don't need to know much about the internals
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:06] <illsci> rather than query the db
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:09] <illsci> because that can change..
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:09] <jreese> i'm sure zenoss has the ability for you to extend it's event notification system
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:10] <illsci> ok
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:18] <creiht> jreese: exactly
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:42] <jreese> it's been able to do everything i wanted so far
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:52] <jreese> though nothing hugely advanced, i'm happy with that
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:59] <illsci> did you guys use festival to send messages to ppl over phones?
[03-Apr-2007 11:07:09] <creiht> nope
[03-Apr-2007 11:08:07] <creiht> We use a very custom ticketing system, and pretty much everything is done through tickets
[03-Apr-2007 11:08:35] <illsci> i think thats the right way to do that
[03-Apr-2007 11:08:52] <illsci> but then how do you archive tickets to glean infos from past events...
[03-Apr-2007 11:08:52] <creiht> It has proven itself fairly well
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:16] <creiht> ahhhh
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:16] <b52lap> creiht, yu use open source ticketing system ?
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:17] <creiht> yes
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:18] <illsci> like an automated knowledgebase... in wiki format... or searching db
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:28] <illsci> rt?
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:30] <creiht> b52lap: No, it is custom built in house
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:34] <illsci> word
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:51] <b52lap> creiht, ah ok ; do you open source ones ?
[03-Apr-2007 11:10:23] <b52lap> not a php based ....
[03-Apr-2007 11:10:23] <creiht> b52lap: Unfortunately no... but I'm not sure it would work for most other companies, as it is highly custom to how we do things
[03-Apr-2007 11:10:47] <b52lap> creiht, hm , ok
[03-Apr-2007 11:11:14] <illsci> you guys are much more organized that other large, probably larger, people in the same .biz
[03-Apr-2007 11:11:30] <creiht> hehe... We have to be
[03-Apr-2007 11:12:09] <jreese>
[03-Apr-2007 11:13:03] <creiht> We also have to be efficient as customers expect more from us
[03-Apr-2007 11:13:26] <creiht> Either way... there are plenty of interesting problems to solve
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[03-Apr-2007 12:21:33] <claros> HELO Zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 12:24:39] <claros> Quit channel as usual...
[03-Apr-2007 12:24:45] <claros> Queit channel as usual...
[03-Apr-2007 12:25:01] <chet> More listeners than talkers..
[03-Apr-2007 12:25:21] <claros> Dear mr chet, i've a question for you
[03-Apr-2007 12:25:42] <claros> I need to monitor 12 wireless bridge
[03-Apr-2007 12:26:26] <claros> devices have an ip address to manage them, but interfaces are without ip address
[03-Apr-2007 12:26:54] <claros> I want to monitor the wirless channel to see if it changes
[03-Apr-2007 12:27:17] <chet> The wireless channel is an OID on each interface?
[03-Apr-2007 12:28:12] <claros> It is an OID for the device, fastethernet interface do not have a channell
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[03-Apr-2007 12:29:06] <claros> I monitor two OIDs : oriWirelessifChannel and oriWirelessifDFSPriorityChannel
[03-Apr-2007 12:29:24] <claros> They are proxym bridge...
[03-Apr-2007 12:30:42] <claros> I want to setup a Thresholds named "Channel Change" with formula like "oriWirelessifChannel -oriWirelessifDFSPriorityChannel" = 0
[03-Apr-2007 12:31:17] <chet> You'd have to set that up as two separate thresholds.
[03-Apr-2007 12:31:19] <claros> apart from here.speed i don't know how to consider other values ...
[03-Apr-2007 12:31:46] <chet> here refers to the IpInterface object. What other values would you be interested in?
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[03-Apr-2007 12:32:40] <claros> The OID values, expecially oriWirelessifChannel, the current channel
[03-Apr-2007 12:36:27] <chet> So you want to subtract one from the other and make sure it is or isn't 0?
[03-Apr-2007 12:37:25] <claros> To make sure it is 0 and no radar was detected on the channell (ETSI rules do not allow fixed channels here in EU)
[03-Apr-2007 12:38:16] <chet> So no subtraction is necessary? Both OIDs need to be 0?
[03-Apr-2007 12:39:10] <claros> No, let say the 1st OID is 120 and the 2nd 120, everythink check ok, otherwise....
[03-Apr-2007 12:39:30] <claros> OID are integers
[03-Apr-2007 12:40:22] <chet> That's too bad. There's currently no way to do that without using a command plugin to compare the values.
[03-Apr-2007 12:41:35] <claros> I could use a fixed variable in the form cXxxx for my preferred channell, but still have to read an OID, the current channel one...
[03-Apr-2007 12:59:26] <claros> chet, seem a quite difficult question... let's try another?
[03-Apr-2007 13:03:32] <claros> The same kind of bridge is on a network let say 192.168.131.128/29
[03-Apr-2007 13:03:57] <claros> To zenoss this network result in this way:
[03-Apr-2007 13:04:28] <claros> 192.168.131.129/29 router 1
[03-Apr-2007 13:05:24] <claros> 192.168.130/20 No Device but ping 1 (this is a bridge)
[03-Apr-2007 13:05:48] <claros> 192.168.131/29 No Device but ping UP (this is a bridge)
[03-Apr-2007 13:06:02] <claros> 192.168.132/29 Router 2
[03-Apr-2007 13:06:36] <claros> That seem to me that a device without ip address on yhe interface breaks the network topology
[03-Apr-2007 13:07:46] <claros> As a consequence, traps originated from bridges are not associated with the device, even if it is defined?
[03-Apr-2007 13:08:21] <claros> How can I associate those ip address to the device?
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[03-Apr-2007 15:00:28] <illsci> hey do you need python-dev installed for zenoss to install?
[03-Apr-2007 15:01:05] <illsci> nevermind...
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[03-Apr-2007 16:40:55] <densone> hey zenoss friends
[03-Apr-2007 16:41:26] <densone> wondering what I have to configure to get snmp to respond properly with zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 16:41:32] <densone> any docs on that?
[03-Apr-2007 16:44:57] <creiht> densone: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[03-Apr-2007 16:44:57] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[03-Apr-2007 18:55:37] <densone> can someone in here help me snmp config?
[03-Apr-2007 18:57:22] <creiht> densone: Did you check out http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration?
[03-Apr-2007 18:57:22] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:37] <densone> creiht: ill look there now
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:37] <creiht> densone: Or are you using windows instead of Linux?
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:38] <densone> thanks
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:43] <densone> im on ubuntu
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:53] <creiht> Then that page should have everything you need
[03-Apr-2007 18:59:01] <densone> sweet
[03-Apr-2007 18:59:08] <densone> I was looking for something like that
[03-Apr-2007 18:59:38] <korozion> do you just add those commands to a blank snmp.conf, or what?
[03-Apr-2007 18:59:42] <korozion> Do you need to change things?
[03-Apr-2007 19:00:21] <creiht> korozion: You could copy and paste directly
[03-Apr-2007 19:00:43] <creiht> The only thing that you might want to chance is the community string
[03-Apr-2007 19:01:51] <creiht> There is also a way where you can make it only allow snmp access fro a specific host.
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:32] <korozion> ok, thanks
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:42] <korozion> but, copy and paste to my existing default snmp.conf, or a new file?
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:50] <creiht> ph
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:52] <creiht> err
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:54] <creiht> oh
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:57] <creiht> a new file
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:58] <creiht> sorry
[03-Apr-2007 19:03:06] <korozion> heh, no problem
[03-Apr-2007 19:03:06] <korozion> thanks!
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[03-Apr-2007 19:04:30] <korozion> was it something I said?
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[03-Apr-2007 19:17:24] <WolfeWLU> Is there a way to submit feature requests into the Zenoss Trac?
[03-Apr-2007 19:17:54] <korozion> I still get no cpu information
[03-Apr-2007 19:18:00] <korozion> Oooo but I do get graphs now!
[03-Apr-2007 19:18:57] <korozion> how come I'm unable to set it to monitor mysql?
[03-Apr-2007 19:20:37] <densone> still getting: 2007-04-03 16:19:56 CRITICAL zen.DeviceLoader no snmp found for ip = 192.168.4.6
[03-Apr-2007 19:20:52] <densone> used the config from the site
[03-Apr-2007 19:21:11] <densone> any recommendations?
[03-Apr-2007 19:22:01] <korozion> make sure snmpd is running on the target machine first
[03-Apr-2007 19:22:26] <korozion> is it a Linux box?
[03-Apr-2007 19:25:23] <densone> tis linux
[03-Apr-2007 19:25:54] <korozion> netstat -lptnu |grep 161
[03-Apr-2007 19:25:57] <korozion> make sure it's listening
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:01] <densone> snmp 6015 0.0 0.1 25012 4820 ? S 16:18 0:00 /usr/sbin/snmpd -Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid 127.0.0.1
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:07] <korozion> also, a lot of systems will bind to 127.0.0.1
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:10] <korozion> aha, so it does
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:19] <densone> (No info could be read for "-p": geteuid()=1000 but you should be root.)
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:19] <densone> udp 0 0 127.0.0.1:161 0.0.0.0:*
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:26] <korozion> stop the service, then run /usr/sbin/snmpd -Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:30] <densone> lol
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:32] <korozion> (without the 127.0.0.1 on the end
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:38] <korozion> then try it again
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:45] <korozion> (adding to zenoss that is)
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:52] <densone> thanks
[03-Apr-2007 19:27:15] <korozion> I had to manually edit /etc/default/snmpd and remove the 127.0.0.1 so it would listen on all ips
[03-Apr-2007 19:27:27] <korozion> something more safe might be to add the actual IP you're using
[03-Apr-2007 19:27:48] <korozion> keep in mind snmp can give out a lot of details about your system, and you probably don't want the world to be able to get said data
[03-Apr-2007 19:28:48] <korozion> I usually add a firewall rule to only allow the IP of the monitoring machine, to remote systems
[03-Apr-2007 19:28:59] <korozion> I'm not sure if that's the best/safest way, but it seems to work
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[03-Apr-2007 20:06:21] <densone> korozion: do you remember how to set the listen address in the config?
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:07] <korozion> no, but I wish I did
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:20] <korozion> I just edited that file
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:30] <korozion> /etc/default/snmpd
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:36] <Snake-Eyes> set listen ip address for snmpd ?
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:37] <korozion> not sure if that's the correct way, but it works
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:59] <Snake-Eyes> you have to change your init.d script
[03-Apr-2007 20:09:17] <Snake-Eyes> if you look at snmpd man page, it shows you eg snmpd udp:128.128.128.128:161
[03-Apr-2007 20:10:35] <Snake-Eyes> ah
[03-Apr-2007 20:13:09] <Snake-Eyes> korozion, what linux distro do you run ?
[03-Apr-2007 20:13:31] <korozion> Debian
[03-Apr-2007 20:13:39] <korozion> well, kubuntu here at home
[03-Apr-2007 20:13:42] <korozion> where I'm testing zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 20:14:54] <Snake-Eyes> hmm, i didnt touch default, i just edited snmpd init.d script, seeing I stop and start snmpd via init.d
[03-Apr-2007 20:15:08] <korozion> my init.d calls that default conf
[03-Apr-2007 20:15:13] <korozion> so I just edited it there
[03-Apr-2007 20:15:42] <Snake-Eyes> odd, mine doesnt it list all options etc in the script
[03-Apr-2007 20:15:56] <Snake-Eyes> oh wait kubuntu would be unstable
[03-Apr-2007 20:16:08] <korozion> indeed
[03-Apr-2007 20:16:33] <Snake-Eyes> they must have changed it between versions, i have the default file but it isn't called by init
[03-Apr-2007 20:16:48] <korozion> weird
[03-Apr-2007 20:17:41] <Snake-Eyes> thus all the defaults are redefined again in the script
[03-Apr-2007 20:18:37] <Snake-Eyes> nm its called, i missed the statement
[03-Apr-2007 20:19:23] <korozion> heh
[03-Apr-2007 20:19:27] <Snake-Eyes> hmm now what to do
[03-Apr-2007 20:20:02] * Snake-Eyes sighs
[03-Apr-2007 20:25:23] <Snake-Eyes> time to reverse some changes
[03-Apr-2007 20:25:35] <korozion> what's broked?
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[03-Apr-2007 20:37:05] <Snake-Eyes> nothing
[03-Apr-2007 20:37:33] <Snake-Eyes> just using the defaults file is alot better way than what i did
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[03-Apr-2007 21:11:46] <WolfeWLU> Does zenoss support the concept of DataSource/Threshold/Graph configurations that you can import at will into templates? Idea being you've got /Devices/Device and /Devices/Network/Device which are technically different, but both need a "Ping" DataSource/Threshold pair.
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[03-Apr-2007 22:35:28] <densone> so I am still stuck trying to change the LISTEN for snmpd
[03-Apr-2007 22:35:41] <densone> from 127.0.0.1 to the actual ip
[03-Apr-2007 22:35:52] <densone> anyone have any insight on where to add this
[03-Apr-2007 22:36:06] <korozion> only the idea I had before
[03-Apr-2007 22:46:27] <densone> k
[03-Apr-2007 22:46:33] <densone> looks like it worked this time
[03-Apr-2007 22:46:48] <densone> wasnt running with sudo
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[04-Apr-2007 00:30:53] <Igbothom_3rd> hi, I'm currently looking for a monitoring app that will let me not only monitor the devices on our own network, but also those of our clients. Most will be Windows devices, the rest will be routers, printers, Linux/BSD boxes and so on. Will Zenoss allow me to do this?
[04-Apr-2007 00:32:41] <korozion> I'm pretty new to ZenOSS, but it seems that if it has snmp, ZenOSS can monitor it
[04-Apr-2007 00:33:04] <Igbothom_3rd> there's a Win client too, I see
[04-Apr-2007 00:33:05] <korozion> I think it can monitor in other ways too
[04-Apr-2007 00:33:08] <korozion> yes, there is
[04-Apr-2007 00:33:31] <Igbothom_3rd> I'm wondering how it will handle remote networks that are not VPN connected
[04-Apr-2007 00:34:00] <Igbothom_3rd> I know that the Hobbit uses a site-based "host" to handle this, which is sensible, and it reports back to the main server
[04-Apr-2007 00:34:25] <korozion> I'd use 1) an ssh tunnel, or 2) a simple firewall rule to only allow the monitoring computer's IP to connect to the snmp port
[04-Apr-2007 00:34:38] <Igbothom_3rd> or the agent on each machine talks to the server - the site-based host is used to gather local network SNMP info from printers and such and send back to the main server
[04-Apr-2007 00:35:12] <Igbothom_3rd> that's fine for a single computer, but if there are 25 PCs and 10 other network devices on a remote site...
[04-Apr-2007 00:35:19] <korozion> I see
[04-Apr-2007 00:35:32] <korozion> I'm probably not the person to answer that question then
[04-Apr-2007 00:35:54] <Igbothom_3rd> on one single network with WAN links and private/VPN connections, it is really easy. But that's not my scenario
[04-Apr-2007 00:37:24] <Igbothom_3rd> Zenoss looks hell sweet, tho
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[04-Apr-2007 00:39:09] <korozion> yeah, I've been messing with it for a little while, and so far I really like it
[04-Apr-2007 00:39:21] <korozion> I even got a tee-shirt!
[04-Apr-2007 00:39:28] <Igbothom_3rd> lol
[04-Apr-2007 00:39:38] <korozion> thing is, I only have a few machines local, so I need to do some remote monitoring
[04-Apr-2007 00:40:39] <Igbothom_3rd> yeah, local monitoring isn't that difficult - it is when you go remote and need to monitor a remote network that the fun starts
[04-Apr-2007 00:41:47] <korozion> well, my luck has it, that it's just a few machines that are remote
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[04-Apr-2007 01:18:24] <Igbothom_3rd> korozion, who would I need to pester to find out what I'm asking?
[04-Apr-2007 01:21:15] <korozion> Igbothom_3rd: I'm not sure, but it seems that some more knowledgable people are around in the day time (est)
[04-Apr-2007 01:21:26] <Igbothom_3rd> it *is* day time here
[04-Apr-2007 01:21:32] <korozion>
[04-Apr-2007 01:21:49] <korozion> I kinda figured, which is where the (est) came in
[04-Apr-2007 01:22:18] <Igbothom_3rd> and surprisingly, I live in Brisbane, which means we use EST here, too!
[04-Apr-2007 01:22:30] <korozion> heh
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[04-Apr-2007 06:21:50] <N[]vA|> morning
[04-Apr-2007 06:21:54] <N[]vA|> any one seen this before?
[04-Apr-2007 06:21:55] <N[]vA|> CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:01] <N[]vA|> im monitoring web pages
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:04] <N[]vA|> 8 per server
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:06] <N[]vA|> 20 servers
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:13] <N[]vA|> get timeouts like this all the time
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:34] <N[]vA|> also another thing is does zenoss have kinda flap detection?
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[04-Apr-2007 07:14:23] <iuso> hi, is there a way for a zenoss service to import data from another zenoss service? so that if we have networks A and B, and both have their own zenoss monitoring set up, then the zenoss in network A could display charts of network B's stats?
[04-Apr-2007 07:25:54] <iuso> (A and B networks are not connected, but the zenoss server in A can connect to the zenoss server in B via internet)
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[04-Apr-2007 10:28:49] <Lejano> hello
[04-Apr-2007 10:29:14] <Lejano> anybody tried to configure zenoss on FreeBSD 6.2?
[04-Apr-2007 10:29:29] <Lejano> or red hat fedora 6
[04-Apr-2007 10:29:30] <Lejano> ?
[04-Apr-2007 10:30:44] <creiht> Lejano: I have on RHEL
[04-Apr-2007 10:30:52] <creiht> Are you running into problems
[04-Apr-2007 10:31:52] <Lejano> yes on fedora I have dependency mysql 5.2 problems
[04-Apr-2007 10:32:07] <Lejano> on freebsd I cannot even run install.sh
[04-Apr-2007 10:32:16] <Lejano> eventhough I have everything installed
[04-Apr-2007 10:41:40] <creiht> Lejano: What happens when you try to run install.sh on fbsd?
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[04-Apr-2007 12:42:03] <breadatfacebook> How are zenoss admins setting up "Systems" and "Groups"?
[04-Apr-2007 12:42:35] <breadatfacebook> I'm having trouble understanding the difference between systems and groups
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[04-Apr-2007 12:55:50] <dan__t> 'morning.
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[04-Apr-2007 13:12:14] <dan__t> I'd just like to say - I love Zenoss.
[04-Apr-2007 13:12:36] <dan__t> I appreciate all the work that has gone into it, if any contributers are seeing this. Thank you.
[04-Apr-2007 13:36:03] <creiht> breadatfacebook: I mostly just use groups
[04-Apr-2007 13:36:42] <creiht> The one difference with systems is that it has the Performance tab
[04-Apr-2007 13:36:58] <creiht> Which shows the performnace info for every system in the group
[04-Apr-2007 13:37:21] <creiht> It seems like there was another difference as well, but I can't remember
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[04-Apr-2007 14:40:35] <breadatfacebook> I think I'm going to augment my loader script, rather than loading devices and then manipulating their attributes later
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:00] <breadatfacebook> I'm going to go for the "delete and recreate" method of "making zenoss attributes correct"
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:05] <breadatfacebook> sound OK? anyone else do that?
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:36] <creiht> breadatfacebook: What type of attributes?
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:39] <breadatfacebook> it seems more fullproof that way
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:53] <creiht> oh
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:55] <creiht> i see
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:59] <creiht> makes sense
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:14] <breadatfacebook> such as, datacenter location, monitoring thresholds, serial numbers, etc
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:22] <breadatfacebook> if any of those are "wrong"
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:40] <breadatfacebook> rather than fixing, I'm going to delete the device and recreate via xml load
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:46] <creiht> yeah... luckily I haven't run into anything like that
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:59] <creiht> But that should work fine
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:02] <breadatfacebook> well, how'd you populate the locations?
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:06] <creiht> And would be easier for a lot of devices
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:10] <creiht> I dont
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:15] <breadatfacebook> oh..hehe
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:22] <creiht> luckily I only monitor about 100 devices
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:31] <breadatfacebook> gotcha, I'm at 2500
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:37] <creiht> cool
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:51] <creiht> So are you using it at facebook?
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[04-Apr-2007 14:44:43] <breadatfacebook> I'm evaluating zenoss...not exactly "using" it though
[04-Apr-2007 14:44:49] <creiht> ahhh
[04-Apr-2007 14:44:55] <breadatfacebook> I've got like 2000 false events clogging it up that I need to filter
[04-Apr-2007 14:45:32] <breadatfacebook> my machines are busy, so the snmp collector thinks snmp is broken, but its not, its just slow and lots of data
[04-Apr-2007 14:45:44] <creiht> Yeah I have that problem periodically
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[04-Apr-2007 14:46:08] <creiht> Ever since 1.1.1 it seems a bit more chatty with those types of things
[04-Apr-2007 14:46:20] <creiht> I get processes are not running or snmp is not running
[04-Apr-2007 14:46:22] <breadatfacebook> plus, I'm still trying to fix the filesystem monitor filters in a scalable way cause I've got about 100 filesystems that are *supposed* to be 100% full
[04-Apr-2007 14:46:23] <creiht> whey they are
[04-Apr-2007 14:48:04] <creiht> breadatfacebook: Do they all have different names?
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[04-Apr-2007 15:02:13] <_chris_> breadatfacebook: have you looked at the zFilesystemIngore zProperty?
[04-Apr-2007 15:02:37] <_chris_> you can use it to tell zenoss not to create events on certain filesystems that you expect to be full (e.g. /mnt/cdrom, /dev, whatever)
[04-Apr-2007 15:04:42] <breadatfacebook> yeah, I need to use a regexp though, cause I've got like 100 filesystems to ignore, and another added every week or so....3 regexps could take care of it in a scalable way if zenoss lets me define regexp
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[04-Apr-2007 15:09:01] <densone> I am a little confused with the zenoss interface
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:05] <densone> hoping someone can help me out
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:27] <densone> I have figured out how to add a device and get the configuration via snmp
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:35] <densone> but how do I monitor that device.
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:49] <densone> and see the processes graphs and charts
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:55] <densone> I am missing something here.
[04-Apr-2007 15:10:01] <creiht> densone: Once you add a device it will begin monitoring
[04-Apr-2007 15:10:06] <_chris_> breadatfacebook: zFilesystemIgnore allows for a regex i believe
[04-Apr-2007 15:10:15] <creiht> It will take it a little while for enough data to come in
[04-Apr-2007 15:10:32] <creiht> If you click on the device, and then the Perf tab, you will see the performance graphs
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:00] <Igbothom_III> "a little while" means about 30 minutes tops, not 5 minutes nor 2 days
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:14] <densone> lets take a look here
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:20] <densone> I left it overnight
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:26] <creiht> hehe
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:31] <creiht> It can be up to 20 minutes
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:47] <creiht> If you restart zenoss it will start collecting immediately
[04-Apr-2007 15:17:23] <densone> ok so I added this device
[04-Apr-2007 15:17:28] <densone> let me try to restart now
[04-Apr-2007 15:17:56] <creiht> densone: It will also take a couple of minutes initialy for enough data to be collected
[04-Apr-2007 15:18:21] <creiht> (as in 5-10 minutes I think )
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:15] <densone> so how do I know its actively gathering data
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:18] <densone> is there a log
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:24] <densone> or something that will tell me it polling?
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:29] <creiht> The graphs should show up
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:32] <creiht> But will be empty
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[04-Apr-2007 15:19:38] <creiht> You could also watch the logs
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:47] <creiht> logs/zenperfsnmp.log
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:09] <densone> whats the base install dir to zen?
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:11] <creiht> I think it only shows the total number of devices polled though
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:22] <creiht> if you are the zenoss user
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:25] <creiht> it should be
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:27] <creiht> $ZENHOME
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:31] <densone> ahh thats right
[04-Apr-2007 15:27:08] <densone> should "last collection" change everytime the device is polled?
[04-Apr-2007 15:28:02] <creiht> densone: looking...
[04-Apr-2007 15:28:54] <creiht> densone: Oh yes
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:07] <creiht> well
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:10] <creiht> maybe
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:19] <densone> lol
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:26] <creiht> Depends on where you see that I think
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:44] <densone> under the device itself
[04-Apr-2007 15:30:28] <densone> / Devices / Server / Linux / Ubuntu / sf-fw01
[04-Apr-2007 15:30:44] <creiht> I'm looking at mine
[04-Apr-2007 15:30:55] <creiht> I'm not sure sure if that is the last collection of data
[04-Apr-2007 15:31:06] <creiht> or the last time the device information was modeled
[04-Apr-2007 15:31:40] <densone> k
[04-Apr-2007 15:33:36] <densone> so I am rebooting the device
[04-Apr-2007 15:33:47] <densone> theoretically I should get an event right?
[04-Apr-2007 15:33:55] <creiht> correct
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:02] <creiht> The next time it polls
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:09] <creiht> I think it polls in 5 minute intervals
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:14] <creiht> by default
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:19] <densone> is there a setting for that somewhere?
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:46] <creiht> yes
[04-Apr-2007 15:35:27] <creiht> but I think it involves a little more than changing a setting
[04-Apr-2007 15:36:29] <densone> ahh
[04-Apr-2007 15:36:31] <densone> I see
[04-Apr-2007 15:38:35] <densone> what is the best way to restart zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 15:39:12] <densone> zenoss restart?
[04-Apr-2007 15:39:32] <creiht> densone: That will work
[04-Apr-2007 15:39:44] <densone> coo
[04-Apr-2007 15:39:48] <creiht> Out of old habits, I usually do a stop, and then start
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:14] <creiht> densone: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/zenoss-0.23
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:14] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss-0.23 - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:19] <creiht> There is a section that talks about changing the interval
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:30] <creiht> At that point they changed from 1 minute to 5 minutes
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:44] <creiht> It looks like you use the zenstep command
[04-Apr-2007 15:43:32] <creiht> so say you wanted to change to one minute intervals
[04-Apr-2007 15:43:43] <creiht> stop zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 15:43:45] <creiht> and then run
[04-Apr-2007 15:44:01] <creiht> zenstep --step=60 --commit
[04-Apr-2007 15:44:08] <creiht> and then start zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 15:44:23] <densone> looks like restarting zenoss fixed all my issues
[04-Apr-2007 15:44:35] <creiht> cool
[04-Apr-2007 15:45:37] <densone> now I just have to config net-snmp to not bind 127.0.0.1
[04-Apr-2007 15:48:25] <creiht> densone: Not sure if this will help, but:
[04-Apr-2007 15:48:39] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[04-Apr-2007 15:48:39] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[04-Apr-2007 15:50:55] <Igbothom_III> densone, sounds like a Windows problem - restart to fix.
[04-Apr-2007 15:55:03] <densone> haha
[04-Apr-2007 15:55:45] <Igbothom_III> (and I'm the one who wants to use Zenoss to manage multiple client sites, mainly running Windows boxes)
[04-Apr-2007 15:56:04] <densone> it actually seems like I only get zenoss to collect if I restart it
[04-Apr-2007 15:56:59] <creiht> densone: Zenoss caches the configurations information
[04-Apr-2007 15:57:12] <creiht> And it reloads the config info every 30 minutes
[04-Apr-2007 15:57:26] <Igbothom_III> hhmmm, I think I made reference to that earlier
[04-Apr-2007 15:57:50] <densone> is there somethin s
[04-Apr-2007 15:57:52] <Igbothom_III> (and I've not even used Zenoss yet, d/led the VM yesterday)
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:00] <densone> does that go for everything though?
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:02] <creiht> Igbothom_III: haha
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:05] <creiht> yes
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:08] <creiht> pretty much
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:28] <densone> k ill wait and see what happends
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:35] <Igbothom_III> can you -SIGHUP it to get it to reload now?
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:42] <creiht> yes
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:49] <Igbothom_III> groovy
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:54] <creiht> You can restart the monitor daemons (or the whole thing)
[04-Apr-2007 15:59:01] <creiht> Which will cause the config to reload
[04-Apr-2007 15:59:14] <creiht> Igbothom_III: You can just do
[04-Apr-2007 15:59:17] <creiht> zenoss restart
[04-Apr-2007 15:59:51] <Igbothom_III> that works for me
[04-Apr-2007 16:00:38] <Igbothom_III> creiht, can I stick a single ZenWin agent on a server at a client site and have it WMI probe all machines on the site and then report back to my server with the results?
[04-Apr-2007 16:01:41] <Igbothom_III> ... and I gather there's a similar tool that will snmp probe the network and report back to me
[04-Apr-2007 16:01:57] <Igbothom_III> (and these clients are on separate, non-VPNed networks)
[04-Apr-2007 16:02:16] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: the zenwin agent is designed to read NT events from the windows network
[04-Apr-2007 16:02:25] <_chris_> and then forward them back to zenoss via xmlrpc
[04-Apr-2007 16:03:00] <Igbothom_III> events, as in "event logs" or "wmi info" such as performance info, event log info, etc?
[04-Apr-2007 16:03:53] <creiht> Igbothom_III: If you want to collect the data remotely from a server other than your zenoss server
[04-Apr-2007 16:03:53] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: "event logs". performance information is still collected by the central zenoss server via snmp (and the Informant DLL)
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:00] <creiht> Check out the ZenossAdminGuide
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:04] <_chris_> i don't believe zenwin facilitates any kind of performance monitoring
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:08] <creiht> Section 13.2
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:12] <Igbothom_III> hhmmm
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:17] <Igbothom_III> reading...
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:32] <creiht> Igbothom_III: You can get windows performance monitoring through snmp and SNMPInformant
[04-Apr-2007 16:05:20] <Igbothom_III> so, no WMI performance capabilities?
[04-Apr-2007 16:05:39] <creiht> Igbothom_III: Not sure... I haven't used Zenwin yet
[04-Apr-2007 16:06:03] <Igbothom_III> snmp-informant would need to then be loaded on all machines in the network and what would I run to have that all report back to my remote server?
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:13] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: windows has a native snmp agent built into it. the informant DLL just allows that agent to export additional CPU and memory information
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:18] <Igbothom_III> aahhh, creiht, I don't want to have to install a Zenoss server on every client site (especially since these sites are Windows sites) just to have the info sent to my box
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:37] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: the winders boxes don't push their performance info to the zenoss server. the zenoss server collects it via SNMP
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:56] <Igbothom_III> I have looked into the Hobbit and it runs an agent on each machine BBWin, which can report back most of what I want by default, Zenoss just looks a lot nicer to use, more powerful
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:56] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: you don't have to install zenoss on all your boxes
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:18] <Igbothom_III> native Windows snmp is rather lacklustre
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:30] <dan__t> huh, was i just looking at my facebook thing.
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:35] <dan__t> Small world
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:50] <_chris_> facebook wasn't around when i was slutting around in college
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:56] <creiht> Igbothom_III: You have one remote machine running the zenpersnmp daemon
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:57] <dan__t> That's a damn shame.
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:59] <Igbothom_III> facebook?
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:01] <dan__t> It's done me quite well. heh.
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:13] <Igbothom_III> creiht, that's easily doable
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:20] <dan__t> I've stumbled on many a piece of ass that looks much, much better a few years after graduation.
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:34] <creiht> It would collect snmp info from those machine and report information to the main zenoss install
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:43] <Igbothom_III> hang on - is zenpersnmp able to run in Windows? Prolly not
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:49] <creiht> You would need to install snmpinformant though on each device
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:59] <creiht> Igbothom_III: I believe so
[04-Apr-2007 16:10:08] <dan__t> I've discovered and used about 1% of Zenoss' full potential. I'm anxious.
[04-Apr-2007 16:10:33] <Igbothom_III> dan__t, most ass looks (and feels) better a few years after graduation
[04-Apr-2007 16:10:53] <dan__t> heh heh heh.
[04-Apr-2007 16:10:57] <dan__t> Indeed, sir.
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:13] <Igbothom_III> tho, it is quite enjoyable pre-graduation too
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:23] <dan__t> I won't argue that.
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:32] <densone> nice its gathering data
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:37] <_chris_> did anyone notice that last night the first espisode of the latest season of Deadliest Catch aired?
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:45] <_chris_> and Shark Week is comin up.... oh man i love it....
[04-Apr-2007 16:12:13] <dan__t> I want to say that I saw in some screenshots, the ability to put graphs and other data in the dashboard. Like if I wanted to see a section that was entirely "Bandwidth", and another one that was entirely "disk space on /", etc etc.
[04-Apr-2007 16:12:20] <dan__t> Why am I not seeing that?
[04-Apr-2007 16:12:35] <dan__t> No, I did not notice, _chris_.
[04-Apr-2007 16:12:53] <creiht> dan__t: It's pretty easy to create any page that has links to the graphs
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:05] <creiht> If you want you can also customize the main page
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:08] <dan__t> I just want a basic overview of said services blah blah
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:20] <dan__t> Maybe I should just tinker and read some more, I'm just barely getting started
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:26] <dan__t> Just wanted to make sure I was headed in the right direction.
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:43] <creiht> dan__t: It's very much worth a look at
[04-Apr-2007 16:15:35] <Igbothom_III> you *sure* there's a "zenpersnmp" that will run natively on Windows? cannot see any mention of it
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:03] <Igbothom_III> oh, or is it a python script?
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:15] <creiht> Igbothom_III: It's a piece of zenoss which is all python
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:19] <Igbothom_III> that's right - Zenoss is python
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:31] <creiht> And as far as I know Zenoss will run on Windows
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:36] <Igbothom_III> so, should run fine on a Windows box with python and pywin installed
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:40] <dan__t> I need to ditch Cacti.
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:53] <creiht> Igbothom_III: Double checking though
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:58] <Igbothom_III>
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:07] <dan__t> I'm sure you guys know how much of a pain in the ass it was to get plugins working
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:24] <creiht> doh
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:33] <creiht> Well it doesn't run on windows right now
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:40] <creiht> Almost everything else though
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:51] <dan__t> And what is zenpersnmp?
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:54] <Igbothom_III> not that I've seen (Zenoss) but hopefully zenpersnmp will
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:54] <creiht> There is a workaround where you can run it as a vmplayer instance on a windows box
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:06] <Igbothom_III> yeah, d/led that yesterday
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:23] <creiht> It is the daemon in zenoss that collects the snmp performance data
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:30] <dan__t> oh ok.
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:40] <dan__t> Is this meant to be a substitute for any other vanilla snmp daemon?
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:58] <creiht> dan__t: It is specific for zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:09] <dan__t> I see
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:10] <creiht> All it does is collect snmp information from other clients
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:14] <creiht> And report back to zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:39] <dan__t> And why can't Zenoss do this?
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:46] <dan__t> Or does it facilitate the operation of Zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:49] <creiht> It's one piece of zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:55] <dan__t> ah yes, I remember reading htat.
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:57] <dan__t> that, rather.
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:09] <creiht> There are several daemons that all talk with each other
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:15] <dan__t> Yeap, I remember that much.
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:18] <creiht> The idea being that it is easier to distribute
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:23] <dan__t> Cool, its starting to 'click'
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:29] <creiht> So that for instance you can pu the pollers on other servers
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:35] <dan__t> Yeah, that's bad-ass.
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:37] <creiht> Or have more than one server do snmp polling
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:52] <dan__t> Ok, in Cacti, we have "host templates" - what is the Zenoss equivelant?
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:06] <dan__t> "host templates" define certain resources to monitor for a specific host
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:19] <creiht> dan__t: I havn't used Cacti but I will say probably device templates
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:24] <creiht> Zenoss uses a device tree
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:26] <dan__t> ok.
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:29] <dan__t> yeah
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:41] <creiht> You can define template at any point in the device tree
[04-Apr-2007 16:22:05] <Igbothom_III> but will zenpersnmp send data to a remote (as in, across the Internet, not VPN) Zenoss server?
[04-Apr-2007 16:22:31] <creiht> Igbothom_III: As long as it can reach it via IP, I would think so... I haven't actually tried it
[04-Apr-2007 16:22:39] <Igbothom_III> k
[04-Apr-2007 16:24:10] <dan__t> I wonder if I can make a Xen device type, to collect info about Xen devices....
[04-Apr-2007 16:24:18] <creiht> dan__t: Yup
[04-Apr-2007 16:24:42] <dan__t> I'll be porting about a dozen FreeBSD machines under Xen in the coming few days
[04-Apr-2007 16:24:43] <creiht> So under the server devices, you can create a new folder called xen
[04-Apr-2007 16:25:09] <creiht> It will automatically inherit the default monitoring template
[04-Apr-2007 16:25:27] <creiht> You then can copy and paste the ones you want to override, or make new templates of things to monitor
[04-Apr-2007 16:25:47] <creiht> So that any device you put in the folder will be monitored with those templates
[04-Apr-2007 16:26:18] <dan__t> Can I use some sort of multi-dimensional organization, such as /Devices/Server/FreeBSD/Servername and /Database Servers/Machine Name ?
[04-Apr-2007 16:26:31] <dan__t> making them one and the same
[04-Apr-2007 16:26:55] <creiht> wel not directly that way
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:01] <creiht> but
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:05] <dan__t> Because I might have a FreeBSD server, which is a database server. In a tree, I'd like to see it from both sides, I guess
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:10] <dan__t> Doesn't matter, I'm just anal about shit like that
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:15] <creiht> well in that case you would have
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:29] <creiht> /Devices/Server/FreeBSD/Database
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:46] <creiht> The database template would inherit anythign from the FreeBSD template
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:46] <dan__t> Yeah, I could certainly do it that way.
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:16] <creiht> If you want to just organize devices in groups
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:24] <creiht> And don't need other performance metrics
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:31] <dan__t> heh
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:37] <dan__t> No, I need preformance stats.
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:40] <dan__t> performance, rather
[04-Apr-2007 16:29:57] <creiht> cool.. Then if you need other performance data other than what is already collected by the freebsd template then you would want to do that in the device tree
[04-Apr-2007 16:30:13] <dan__t> yep.
[04-Apr-2007 16:30:18] <dan__t> I like this, how I can make my own alerts.
[04-Apr-2007 16:30:25] <dan__t> That's going to be bad-ass for Apache and SQL monitoring and such.
[04-Apr-2007 16:30:38] <dan__t> Throw a result, expect an answer. If good, great. If bad, alert. That's awesome.
[04-Apr-2007 16:31:57] <creiht> dan__t: Do you want to just forec Zenoss to throw a random alert, or do you want to make your own poller in Zenoss?
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:18] <dan__t> Looks like I can do both, right?
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:21] <creiht> yes
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:27] <dan__t> Perfect
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:48] <dan__t> Eventually writing my own class or whatever to check a number of metrics in both mysql and/or Apache would be the goal.
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:49] <creiht> For the later, there is a thing called Zenpacks coming that will make writing plugins easier
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:03] <dan__t> Is there a repository or anything of plugins and such that people have made?
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:05] <dan__t> Oh, awesome
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:13] <creiht> You can also create (or use one that is already available) nagios plugin to do the job
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:30] <dan__t> Don't say the N word, please.
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:33] <creiht> hehe
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:43] <dan__t> ruh roh.... one of my techs just dropped the f bomb on a customer...
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:46] <creiht> Well it is there as a last resort incase you need it
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:47] <dan__t> gotta go, be back in a few.
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:22] <Igbothom_III> and what's wrong with Nagios?
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:35] <Igbothom_III> ('cept being rather, well cryptic)
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:36] <creiht> Igbothom_III: For a lot of cases it works well
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:47] <creiht> For large installations it does not scale well
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:57] <creiht> And becomes cumbersome to manage very quickly
[04-Apr-2007 16:38:08] <Igbothom_III> as we manage SMB clients, that should never be an issue for us
[04-Apr-2007 16:38:24] <Igbothom_III> however, the cumbersome bit is why I'm looking at Zenoss instead
[04-Apr-2007 16:38:39] <Igbothom_III> and why I originally looked th the Hobbit Monitor
[04-Apr-2007 16:38:49] <creiht> Zenoss is soooooo much smoother
[04-Apr-2007 16:39:03] <Igbothom_III> looks it from what I've seen
[04-Apr-2007 16:39:09] <Igbothom_III> hope to play a little over the weekend
[04-Apr-2007 16:44:22] <dan__t> back... that was interesting heh
[04-Apr-2007 16:48:27] <illsci> awhile ago this sales guy asked one of the engineers where i was at what this customers problem was over email
[04-Apr-2007 16:48:43] <illsci> and the engineer replied that it was an id10t error
[04-Apr-2007 16:48:48] <dan__t> hahaha
[04-Apr-2007 16:48:49] <illsci> so the sales guy just forwarded it to him
[04-Apr-2007 16:49:01] <illsci> to the customer like that was going to be helpful and he cc'd the engineer
[04-Apr-2007 16:49:06] <illsci> we are all sitting around
[04-Apr-2007 16:49:17] <illsci> and we hear "You didn't just forward that to them did you?"
[04-Apr-2007 16:49:24] <illsci> and then we saw what it was and all died laughing
[04-Apr-2007 16:52:03] <Igbothom_III> says it all for salespeople - they are clueless
[04-Apr-2007 16:53:09] <dan__t> nice.
[04-Apr-2007 17:02:45] <jimmy-james> i just started up the vmware image of zenoss to test it out but i cant aceess the management interface, i can ping the box but i can't point my web browser at it
[04-Apr-2007 17:02:52] <jimmy-james> anyone heard of this before?
[04-Apr-2007 17:03:12] <jimmy-james> btw im running it in vmware-server with my connection set to NAT
[04-Apr-2007 17:04:14] <creiht> jimmy-james: Are you running any VPN software at the moment?
[04-Apr-2007 17:04:57] <jimmy-james> no, not right now
[04-Apr-2007 17:05:16] <creiht> It is supposed to work
[04-Apr-2007 17:06:44] <jimmy-james> ill tinker with it
[04-Apr-2007 17:06:46] <creiht> Can you ssh into it?
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[04-Apr-2007 17:07:23] <jimmy-james> yes
[04-Apr-2007 17:07:37] <creiht> Check that zenoss is running
[04-Apr-2007 17:07:48] <creiht> find out where zenoss is installed
[04-Apr-2007 17:07:55] <creiht> echo $ZENHOME
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:04] <creiht> cd $ZENHOME/bin
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:05] <creiht> and run
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:07] <creiht> zenoss status
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:24] <Igbothom_III> goddamnjust installed VMWare 6 beta on Vista Ultimate x64 - rebooting in the vain hope this will actually work now
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:57] <jimmy-james> says its all running
[04-Apr-2007 17:09:38] <jimmy-james> bah
[04-Apr-2007 17:09:40] <jimmy-james> my bad
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[04-Apr-2007 17:09:51] <jimmy-james> i was going to 8888 instead of 8080
[04-Apr-2007 17:10:07] <jimmy-james> thanks for all your help creiht
[04-Apr-2007 17:10:07] <creiht> hehe
[04-Apr-2007 17:10:09] <creiht> np
[04-Apr-2007 17:14:31] <WolfeWLU> Does anyone know if Zenoss understands the concept of warn and critical as returned from a Nagios plugin?
[04-Apr-2007 17:14:50] <WolfeWLU> Also, is it possible to parse the return string from a Nagios plugin to be able to graph a number in it?
[04-Apr-2007 17:24:08] <_chris_> WolfeWLU: the answer to your last question is yes most definitely.
[04-Apr-2007 17:32:45] <densone> creiht: do you work on the zenoss project?
[04-Apr-2007 17:47:22] <densone> I dont understand what the alert schedule is for
[04-Apr-2007 17:47:34] <densone> can someone enlighten me
[04-Apr-2007 17:52:46] <_chris_> densone: some places have engineers that are "on call" on certain times of the day or days of the week
[04-Apr-2007 17:52:55] <_chris_> the alert schedule allows you to capture that information and give it to zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 17:57:44] <creiht> densone: Nope... just a happy user
[04-Apr-2007 18:06:51] <densone> so I am trying to configure alerts to get emailed to me
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[04-Apr-2007 18:07:14] <Igbothom_III> well, VMWare Wkstn 6 beta seems to work in Vista Ultimate x64
[04-Apr-2007 18:07:26] <densone> I am monitoring snmp on one of my boxes
[04-Apr-2007 18:07:28] <densone> I kill snmp
[04-Apr-2007 18:07:36] <densone> I see the error on my dashboard
[04-Apr-2007 18:07:42] <densone> never get an email
[04-Apr-2007 18:07:53] <densone> I have tested smtp and it works
[04-Apr-2007 18:11:32] <creiht> densone: What severity is smtp coming in as? I think by default it is warning, and the default email alerts only trigger when severity is Error or higher
[04-Apr-2007 18:12:01] <densone> I changed it to error
[04-Apr-2007 18:12:33] <creiht> look at the $ZENHOME/logs/zenactions.log
[04-Apr-2007 18:12:38] <creiht> And see if there are any errors
[04-Apr-2007 18:13:20] <densone> k
[04-Apr-2007 18:14:33] <densone> 2007-04-04 15:13:17 INFO zen.ZenActions: sent email:[zenoss] CLEAR: sf-fw01 snmp agent up on device sf-fw01 to:sean@rupture.com
[04-Apr-2007 18:14:36] <densone> 2007-04-04 15:13:17 INFO zen.ZenActions: processed 1 rules in 0.04 secs
[04-Apr-2007 18:14:54] <creiht> densone: So it looks like it sent the email
[04-Apr-2007 18:15:07] <creiht> Have you tried clicking the test button on the users screen?
[04-Apr-2007 18:16:33] <densone> yeah
[04-Apr-2007 18:16:39] <densone> the test button worked
[04-Apr-2007 18:16:40] <densone> hmm
[04-Apr-2007 18:16:48] <densone> will have to try somethign real quick
[04-Apr-2007 18:16:49] <creiht> odd
[04-Apr-2007 18:17:26] <creiht> Marked as spam maybe?
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[04-Apr-2007 18:19:18] <densone> no
[04-Apr-2007 18:19:21] <densone> I would see the junk
[04-Apr-2007 18:19:25] <densone> it only changes the color
[04-Apr-2007 18:19:35] <densone> I sent another test email and it worked
[04-Apr-2007 18:21:54] <densone> not sure why I am not seeing the alert come in
[04-Apr-2007 18:22:10] <creiht> Yeah that is odd
[04-Apr-2007 18:22:57] <densone> who does it send the email as?
[04-Apr-2007 18:26:50] <creiht> densone: zenoss@hostname
[04-Apr-2007 18:26:58] <creiht> and it will have [zenoss] in the message
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[04-Apr-2007 20:14:18] <densone> question: do you have to to have a schedule to send an alert?
[04-Apr-2007 20:14:22] <pyronicide> is there a way to add a service and then make it monitor a specific port? every time i add one, it comes set to port 0 and i can't seem to change that
[04-Apr-2007 20:20:59] <densone> so I can send a test email via zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 20:21:06] <densone> but I am not getting the alert emails
[04-Apr-2007 20:21:14] <densone> anyone run into this?
[04-Apr-2007 20:21:46] <Snake-Eyes> densone, no, just need to have made te user with a valid email address and added them to the device you wish them to monitor and setup a alerting rules
[04-Apr-2007 20:22:53] <Snake-Eyes> alerting rules are under the user and to added them to a device goto the manage tab
[04-Apr-2007 20:28:56] <Snake-Eyes> pyronicide, you cant add service manually yet, if they're not auto discovered, you're out of luck for now
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[04-Apr-2007 20:29:05] <b_52GM> hi
[04-Apr-2007 20:29:13] <b_52GM> i have problem to install zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 20:29:25] <b_52GM> http://paste.debian.net/25013
[04-Apr-2007 20:29:25] <adytum-bot> Title: #debian.de paste zone (at paste.debian.net)
[04-Apr-2007 20:29:28] <Snake-Eyes> pyronicide, i think some future version will let you add them manually, maybe 1.3, not sure
[04-Apr-2007 20:31:07] <pyronicide> ahh, bummer, i'll just keep renaming then
[04-Apr-2007 20:32:17] <Snake-Eyes> b_52GM, um whats the error, I cant read french ?
[04-Apr-2007 20:33:18] <b_52GM> make: *** [build/winexe-0.7/.unpacked] Erreur 2
[04-Apr-2007 20:33:31] <b_52GM> Snake-Eyes, winexe related what's that ?
[04-Apr-2007 20:33:55] <b_52GM> argh i think i need space in ny directoy sorry guys
[04-Apr-2007 20:34:13] <Snake-Eyes> hehe np
[04-Apr-2007 20:34:35] <bzed> is the french gcc output as worse as the german translation?
[04-Apr-2007 20:35:28] <b_52GM> bzed, french is a stupid language
[04-Apr-2007 20:37:41] <bzed> b_52GM: it sounds great, though - althogh I understand nothing
[04-Apr-2007 20:39:26] <b_52GM> bzed, ; (i'm not french) i speak perfectly french and i discover that i have loosed my past years leaning french ...
[04-Apr-2007 20:39:35] * b_52GM would like to learn chinese
[04-Apr-2007 20:40:06] <Snake-Eyes> why chinese ?
[04-Apr-2007 20:40:33] <b_52GM> hm i'm interested by the culture/country ,
[04-Apr-2007 20:41:03] <b_52GM> and turkish
[04-Apr-2007 20:41:14] <b_52GM> i'm interessted with their culture too
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[04-Apr-2007 20:42:22] <cblack0> greetings zensters!
[04-Apr-2007 20:43:01] <cblack0> We are playing around with some monitoring packages and one of our group just installed zenoss, it looks pretty good.
[04-Apr-2007 20:43:40] <cblack0> I am now trying to add some ethernet switches to zenoss, I made sure snmpwalk pulls data, etc and then did the add device from the web frontend but don't see anything. I've gone thru the wiki and don't see anything about switches in the table of contents. Does anyone have any pointers?
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[04-Apr-2007 20:53:43] <WolfeWL1> What kind of data are you trying to pull? And what kind of switch?
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[04-Apr-2007 20:56:02] <cblack0> dell powerconnect, I would like to have traffic graphs for individual ports
[04-Apr-2007 20:56:25] <cblack0> basic ethernet switch monitoring, what ports are active, etc
[04-Apr-2007 20:57:02] <cblack0> an snmpwalk on the switch gives almost 10000 lines of output, so I figure it should have something in there
[04-Apr-2007 20:57:38] <cblack0> all I get on it right now is uptime
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[04-Apr-2007 20:59:04] <cblack0> snmpwalk shows stuff like ifInOctets.4, ifOutOctets.4, ifInUcastPkts.4, etc (for port 4)
[04-Apr-2007 20:59:21] <WolfeWL2> Did you put your switch on the the /Devices/Switches device class?
[04-Apr-2007 20:59:45] <WolfeWL2> If you don't then the default Device template they've created for Cisco Switches won't kick in and graph those things.
[04-Apr-2007 21:00:03] <WolfeWL2> snmpwalk just shows you what's available so you can extend the template yourself or create a new one from scratch.
[04-Apr-2007 21:00:44] <WolfeWL2> Technically most of the OIDs they template by default are in most switches.
[04-Apr-2007 21:00:59] <WolfeWL2> We put our Foundry gear under there and those items were graphed correctly.
[04-Apr-2007 21:01:28] <cblack0> lemme parse that, hold on (new to zenoss, mibs, and snmp)
[04-Apr-2007 21:02:03] <cblack0> it is in the /Network/Switch class
[04-Apr-2007 21:02:27] <b_52GM> MySQL root passwd: root
[04-Apr-2007 21:02:27] <b_52GM> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)
[04-Apr-2007 21:02:27] <b_52GM> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)
[04-Apr-2007 21:02:27] <b_52GM> mysql install, user or password is incorrect
[04-Apr-2007 21:02:35] <b_52GM> i got this during zenoss install
[04-Apr-2007 21:02:47] <cblack0> make sure mysql is set up correctly and running
[04-Apr-2007 21:03:02] <cblack0> and that you can connect from the cmdline mysql client
[04-Apr-2007 21:03:17] <WolfeWL2> If you go to the /Network/Switch class and click "PerfConf" do you see a template named "Device".
[04-Apr-2007 21:04:19] <b_52GM> cblack0, hm ok
[04-Apr-2007 21:04:51] <WolfeWL2> Drill into the template and it should show you what needs to be graphed.
[04-Apr-2007 21:04:56] <WolfeWL2> Er...what will be graphed.
[04-Apr-2007 21:05:26] <cblack0> looking, I got there by doing: main page->devices (on left side)->classes tab->clicked network->clicked switch
[04-Apr-2007 21:05:29] <cblack0> am I in the right place?
[04-Apr-2007 21:05:39] <WolfeWL2> Any device put into /Network/Switches will have those things graphed automagically. If you need additional OIDs graphed you need to add them as DataSources and then add Graphs for the DataSources.
[04-Apr-2007 21:05:42] <cblack0> then click PerfConf page
[04-Apr-2007 21:05:45] <cblack0> er, tab
[04-Apr-2007 21:06:11] <WolfeWL2> Devices->Classes->Network->Switch->PerfConf Tab->Device
[04-Apr-2007 21:06:14] <WolfeWL2> Yup.
[04-Apr-2007 21:06:18] <WolfeWL2> Its a little confusing.
[04-Apr-2007 21:06:38] <cblack0> and within there I see Device, Filesyste, IpService,OSProcess, Unknown, WinService, ethernetCsmacd, iso88023Csmacd
[04-Apr-2007 21:06:46] <WolfeWL2> Drill into Device.
[04-Apr-2007 21:07:03] <cblack0> ok, I see DataSources just shows sysUpTime
[04-Apr-2007 21:07:35] <WolfeWL2> Hmm....
[04-Apr-2007 21:07:41] <WolfeWL2> You should see more...one sec.
[04-Apr-2007 21:07:49] <cblack0> k, I really appreciate it
[04-Apr-2007 21:08:35] <WolfeWL2> Erm....nevermind I'm brain farting.
[04-Apr-2007 21:08:38] <WolfeWL2> That's all that's in there.
[04-Apr-2007 21:08:44] <WolfeWL2> If you go to the "OS" tab though for the switch.
[04-Apr-2007 21:09:02] <WolfeWL2> You'll see all the interfaces listed. Drill into an interface and you'll see they've graphed the stats you want by interface.
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[04-Apr-2007 21:09:14] <cblack0> nope, I see nothing in there says "No Interfaces"
[04-Apr-2007 21:09:16] <WolfeWL2> Now if you want things like temp or fan speed graphed those will be configured in the Template you were just in.
[04-Apr-2007 21:09:28] <WolfeWL2> Check your SNMP community.
[04-Apr-2007 21:09:47] <WolfeWL2> What vendor is this?
[04-Apr-2007 21:09:50] <cblack0> dell
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[04-Apr-2007 21:10:12] <cblack0> the community is the one I added via the switch console and it also gives tons of stuff from snmpwalk with this commiunity
[04-Apr-2007 21:10:14] <cblack0> doublechecking
[04-Apr-2007 21:10:26] <WolfeWL2> Hmm...
[04-Apr-2007 21:11:30] <WolfeWL2> When you created the device did it complain about not being able to pull SNMP info?
[04-Apr-2007 21:12:02] <WolfeWL2> BRB.
[04-Apr-2007 21:12:05] <cblack0> how do I change what template it uses? It is using template /Devices, I think it needs to use template /Network/Switch
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[04-Apr-2007 21:12:58] <cblack0> I think my problem is that it is using the very basic /Devices template which only does uptime
[04-Apr-2007 21:13:20] <cblack0> even tho it is in the path /Devices/Network/Switch
[04-Apr-2007 21:13:34] <WolfeWL2> The /Devices template doesn't affect the Interfaces display.
[04-Apr-2007 21:13:47] <WolfeWL2> The ethernetCsmacd Template does.
[04-Apr-2007 21:14:02] <cblack0> when I look at PerfConf tab on this device, it just shows "RRDTemplate@ /Devices
[04-Apr-2007 21:14:21] <WolfeWL2> Yeah...that just means its looking in /Devices.
[04-Apr-2007 21:14:28] <cblack0> and that is normal/ok?
[04-Apr-2007 21:14:32] <cblack0> sorry, new to zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 21:14:37] <WolfeWL2> Yeah its OK.
[04-Apr-2007 21:14:42] <WolfeWL2> Its a function of the app server they're using.
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[04-Apr-2007 21:14:52] <WolfeWL2> Its no problem. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:15:09] <WolfeWL2> Think of it this way. An interface is an object of type ethernetCsmacd
[04-Apr-2007 21:15:19] <WolfeWL2> A device itself is an object of type Device.
[04-Apr-2007 21:15:44] <WolfeWL2> So what they do is they look at the object type for the object your on and then try and find a template of the same name as the object type.
[04-Apr-2007 21:15:44] <cblack0> when I look at our openbsd boxes that graph multiple interfaces well, PerfConf has RRDTemplate@/Devices/Server
[04-Apr-2007 21:16:06] <WolfeWL2> Yup...because its using the ethernetCsmacd template in /Devices/Server
[04-Apr-2007 21:16:12] <WolfeWL2> Click on the link and you'll see what I mean.
[04-Apr-2007 21:16:28] <cblack0> which link, the "/Devices/Server" link on my obsd->PerfConf tab?
[04-Apr-2007 21:16:35] <WolfeWL2> /Devices/Server
[04-Apr-2007 21:16:44] <WolfeWL2> It'll take you right to the template they're using for that object.
[04-Apr-2007 21:17:49] <cblack0> sorry, too many links that look like /Devices/Server, moving back around
[04-Apr-2007 21:18:15] <WolfeWL2> Yeah. Its kind of hard to wrap your mind around.
[04-Apr-2007 21:18:30] <WolfeWL2> We've been using it for 3-4 days. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:18:57] <cblack0> I think I am starting to understand the template thing, I still am wondering why I am not seeing a better template in the /Network/Switch
[04-Apr-2007 21:19:06] <WolfeWL2> Cuz they didn't make one. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:19:16] <WolfeWL2> Just add the DataPoints you want graphed.
[04-Apr-2007 21:19:29] <WolfeWL2> You really don't want InPackets and such graphed there because that's a per interface thing.
[04-Apr-2007 21:19:46] <cblack0> grah, maybe I should just put this switch in /Devices/Server so it'll auto-find interfaces
[04-Apr-2007 21:19:48] <WolfeWL2> You want that graphed in /Network/Switch/ethernetcsmacd
[04-Apr-2007 21:19:56] <WolfeWL2> LOL. It should be doing that already.
[04-Apr-2007 21:20:11] <WolfeWL2> The default /Devices/EthernetCsmacd template should work fine.
[04-Apr-2007 21:20:30] <cblack0> so how do I get that template to be applied to /Network/Switch/*?
[04-Apr-2007 21:20:34] <WolfeWL2> You can try it and see if it fixes it.
[04-Apr-2007 21:20:42] <cblack0> bc right now OS for my switch shows no interfaces
[04-Apr-2007 21:20:44] <cblack0> yeah, lemme try, hold
[04-Apr-2007 21:20:54] <WolfeWL2> OK that's because Zenoss isn't finding any interface to work with.
[04-Apr-2007 21:20:59] <WolfeWL2> That has nothing to do with the template.
[04-Apr-2007 21:21:15] <WolfeWL2> The template will only get hit when you have an interface and drill into it.
[04-Apr-2007 21:22:00] <cblack0> do I need to do anything after moving it to rescan? or just hit change
[04-Apr-2007 21:22:46] <WolfeWL2> You'll need to go to the Manage tab on the device and hit "Recollect Configuration".
[04-Apr-2007 21:24:11] <cblack0> said "Collect Configuration", clicked that
[04-Apr-2007 21:24:18] <cblack0> looking at collection log now
[04-Apr-2007 21:24:25] <WolfeWL2> OK. Any errors?
[04-Apr-2007 21:25:11] <cblack0> some at top, but it seems like it collected some stuff, hold
[04-Apr-2007 21:25:17] <WolfeWL2> OK.
[04-Apr-2007 21:25:25] <cblack0> I see some errors about Shouldn't load state for 0xb6ee when the connection is closed
[04-Apr-2007 21:25:46] <cblack0> now when I click on OS I see MANY interfaces, which is what I wanted
[04-Apr-2007 21:26:12] <WolfeWL2> Do you see a line that says "2007-04-05 01:25:42INFO zen.ApplyDataMapprocessing interfaces for device <DEVICENAME>"?
[04-Apr-2007 21:26:23] <cblack0> sorry, I clicked off already
[04-Apr-2007 21:26:35] <WolfeWL2> If you don't then it wasn't able to grab the interfaces.
[04-Apr-2007 21:26:52] <cblack0> it pretty clearly grabbed interfaces, shows a bunch in OS
[04-Apr-2007 21:27:57] <WolfeWL2> OK. That's good.
[04-Apr-2007 21:28:02] <WolfeWL2> Those weren't there before right?
[04-Apr-2007 21:28:09] <cblack0> now I just have to wait until it pulls some info
[04-Apr-2007 21:28:14] <cblack0> correct, they were not there before
[04-Apr-2007 21:28:18] <cblack0> frustratingly...
[04-Apr-2007 21:29:06] <cblack0> what do the "O" and "A" columns with red and green icons mean in the OS interfaces list?
[04-Apr-2007 21:29:12] <WolfeWL2> Operational vs. Active.
[04-Apr-2007 21:29:21] <cblack0> gotcha, thanks
[04-Apr-2007 21:29:34] <WolfeWL2> Er operational vs. administrative.
[04-Apr-2007 21:29:38] <cblack0> so, how do I get this to work right when I have the device in /Network/Switches?
[04-Apr-2007 21:29:59] <WolfeWL2> So operational is whether its up or down from a link-level. Administrative is whether you've got the port activated in the software.
[04-Apr-2007 21:30:07] <WolfeWL2> Should work just fine there.
[04-Apr-2007 21:30:11] <WolfeWL2> There's no difference.
[04-Apr-2007 21:30:33] <cblack0> but it did not work ok when I added it to /Network/Switches, it didn't find any interfaces, which was my initial problem
[04-Apr-2007 21:31:27] <WolfeWL2> Not sure what the problem is there.
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[04-Apr-2007 21:31:40] <WolfeWL2> Its worked properly for us in every Device class path.
[04-Apr-2007 21:31:43] <cblack0> I think my problem is the ethernetCsmacd was not in the /Devices/Network/Switches or something
[04-Apr-2007 21:31:51] <WolfeWL2> It doesn't have to be.
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:10] <WolfeWL2> If its in /Devices and isn't explicitly defined in a sub-class then its inherited.
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:23] <WolfeWL2> The template won't keep you from finding interfaces.
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:31] <cblack0> ah, but it is NOT in /Devices, devices only had the basic device w/ uptime
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:37] <WolfeWL2> Just mean you won't have any interesting info on the interfaces if you don't have the template.
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:45] <WolfeWL2> That might be an issue.
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:51] <WolfeWL2> Did you install this stock?
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:51] <cblack0> wait, scratch that
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:55] <cblack0> yep
[04-Apr-2007 21:33:13] <cblack0> if I go to /Devices, PerfConf I see the ethernetCsmacd ethenet if template
[04-Apr-2007 21:33:30] <cblack0> so I have no idea why the interfaces were not found when I added to /Network/Switches
[04-Apr-2007 21:33:39] <cblack0> maybe bc it took to long to scan or something and I needed to rescan?
[04-Apr-2007 21:33:44] <WolfeWL2> The reason they wouldn't be found is that the scan didn't find them.
[04-Apr-2007 21:33:46] <WolfeWL2> Yeah.
[04-Apr-2007 21:33:47] <WolfeWL2> Try it.
[04-Apr-2007 21:34:02] <cblack0> I'm going to remove and re-add to /Network/Devices
[04-Apr-2007 21:34:07] <cblack0> er, /Network/Switches
[04-Apr-2007 21:34:11] <WolfeWL2> The template simply tells Zenoss what to graph for an object type...it doesn't prevent that objectype from being discovered.
[04-Apr-2007 21:34:14] <WolfeWL2> OK.
[04-Apr-2007 21:34:34] <WolfeWL2> Someone smarter than me should correct me if I"m wrong.
[04-Apr-2007 21:35:03] <cblack0> I'll have to read up on this template situation in the giant 100 page pdf
[04-Apr-2007 21:35:33] <WolfeWL2> Good luck. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:35:38] <WolfeWL2> Its not terribly helpful.
[04-Apr-2007 21:35:47] <WolfeWL2> Except to explain the parts of a template.
[04-Apr-2007 21:36:09] <WolfeWL2> The thing to keep in mind is that everything in Zenoss is an object, from the device, to the interfaces, to processes, to services.
[04-Apr-2007 21:36:21] <cblack0> good old OOP Python, eh?
[04-Apr-2007 21:36:36] <WolfeWL2> And as an object it has an object type (i.e. "Device", "EthernetCsmacd" etc).
[04-Apr-2007 21:36:44] <WolfeWL2> Worse. Zope.
[04-Apr-2007 21:37:06] <WolfeWL2> Think Java beans in Python.
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[04-Apr-2007 21:38:04] <WolfeWL2> The way Zenoss uses templates is by matching the object type to a template with the name of the object type.
[04-Apr-2007 21:38:09] <bzed> like tomcat with a serious programming language and on dope
[04-Apr-2007 21:38:11] <cblack0> didn't show interfaces on first add, then went to manage, "Collect Configuration" and got a ton of output, now I have interfaces
[04-Apr-2007 21:38:26] <WolfeWL2> Very cool. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:38:29] * cblack0 likes Java
[04-Apr-2007 21:38:31] <cblack0> and dope.
[04-Apr-2007 21:39:09] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Yeah. We use Zope 2 a lot here. Nice framework....lots of cumbersome stuff though.
[04-Apr-2007 21:39:13] <cblack0> so it seems the process is that you have to do that collect configuration step for it to scan snmp for interfaces
[04-Apr-2007 21:39:28] <WolfeWL2> You shouldn't have to...but then again...
[04-Apr-2007 21:39:32] <WolfeWL2> In our environment we don't have to.
[04-Apr-2007 21:40:07] <bzed> WolfeWL2: what I've seen so far looks very nice. except a messed up DAteTime class in 2.9.6
[04-Apr-2007 21:40:11] <WolfeWL2> "Collect Config" just fires of the "Add Device" modeling sequence again.
[04-Apr-2007 21:40:22] <WolfeWL2> If you don't have any Z2 code skip it. Go to Z3.
[04-Apr-2007 21:40:28] <WolfeWL2> Fixes a lot of the awkardness.
[04-Apr-2007 21:40:48] <cblack0> so then if I have some sort of aggregate bandwidth or other specific snmp string I want to view in zenoss, where do I go to handle that?
[04-Apr-2007 21:40:55] <cblack0> I need to make a new template of some sort, right?
[04-Apr-2007 21:41:02] <WolfeWL2> Its really difficult to leverage Python libraries in Z2, because of the security model. You end up writing external methods all over the place.
[04-Apr-2007 21:41:06] <bzed> WolfeWL2: I'm packaging zenoss for debian and need plone... so... I have to stick with 2.9 for a wwhile
[04-Apr-2007 21:41:15] <WolfeWL2> Ah.
[04-Apr-2007 21:41:50] <WolfeWL2> Z3 might as well have a completely different name. We're moving from Z2 to Django for our apps.
[04-Apr-2007 21:42:21] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Not really. Just extend the Device template in /Network/Switch.
[04-Apr-2007 21:42:36] <WolfeWL2> Aggregate stats should be added to the Device template.
[04-Apr-2007 21:43:06] <WolfeWL2> If you create new template called Device in /Network/Switch then your template will only be used for switches in that path.
[04-Apr-2007 21:43:06] <cblack0> I want to create a template for all our switches of this type I think... and do that by extending /Network/Switch
[04-Apr-2007 21:43:20] <WolfeWL2> Exactly. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:43:38] <cblack0> that is what I want, to have a template that is only used for stuff in /Network/Switch (and is used automatically for anything added in that path)
[04-Apr-2007 21:43:51] <bzed> WolfeWL2: yeah, django is create, but I didn't want to start coding for nothing, as I'm sponsoring the plone site for a non-commercial organisation
[04-Apr-2007 21:43:57] <WolfeWL2> It would be really nice if it would inherit at the template property level instead of at the template level. That way you could put common properties in the root Device template rather than having to duplicate them everytime you override the template.
[04-Apr-2007 21:44:46] <cblack0> ok, I think I get this... I am in /Devices/Network/Switch, I go to PerfConf and click Add, correct?
[04-Apr-2007 21:44:48] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Sorry, I misunderstood the discussion originally. Thought you had a web you'd designed. If you're using Plone, then they get to do all the dirty work. ;-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:44:58] <WolfeWL2> Yup. Name the template Device.
[04-Apr-2007 21:45:02] <cblack0> what about things I want to monitor but don't lend themselves to graphing/perf, like statis
[04-Apr-2007 21:45:33] <WolfeWL2> You can add them as DataSources, then instead of adding a Graph, add a Threshold that uses the DataSource.
[04-Apr-2007 21:46:01] <bzed> WolfeWL2: no, if I'd desgn something I'd probably stick with Mako
[04-Apr-2007 21:46:22] <cblack0> ok, I did an add, now I have Name=Device, Definition path /Devices/Network/Switch (did I really want to name it Device? what did that do for me? default device only had uptime anyway)
[04-Apr-2007 21:48:18] <WolfeWL2> Because the device is of object type Device. So you need to name the template the same for it to be used. Also, by naming it Device you overrode the Device template at /Devices.
[04-Apr-2007 21:48:31] <WolfeWL2> Add your DataSources to your new template.
[04-Apr-2007 21:48:53] <cblack0> but only for stuff in /Devices/Network/Switch/*, I am getting close to wrapping my head around this madness I think
[04-Apr-2007 21:49:00] <WolfeWL2> Yup.
[04-Apr-2007 21:49:17] <WolfeWL2> Objects in /Devices/Network/Switch of type Device will use your new template named Device.
[04-Apr-2007 21:49:42] <cblack0> got it. are there objects of type something OTHER than Device that you add to monitor?
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[04-Apr-2007 21:50:28] <WolfeWL2> Well the interfaces on your switch are of type EthernetCsmacd.
[04-Apr-2007 21:50:47] <WolfeWL2> So if you edit or override that template you can change what's graphed for interfaces individually.
[04-Apr-2007 21:50:53] <cblack0> gotcha, Device is the root/parent for anything you add
[04-Apr-2007 21:51:16] <WolfeWL2> Device is the object type for devices (i.e. anything with a power supply).
[04-Apr-2007 21:51:42] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Do you have any experience making Nagios plugins work with Zenoss?
[04-Apr-2007 21:52:30] <cblack0> our admin did it, I have no idea how tho. I saw a bit in the wiki about it however
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[04-Apr-2007 21:52:35] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Individual processes on your server are of type OSProcess.
[04-Apr-2007 21:52:55] <WolfeWL2> I've added them, but I can't figure out if its working properly.
[04-Apr-2007 21:53:00] <WolfeWL2> Trying to port our Nagios installation.
[04-Apr-2007 21:53:19] <WolfeWL2> For one thing I have no idea if Zenoss understands the difference between warn and critical from a Nagios plugin.
[04-Apr-2007 21:53:43] <bzed> WolfeWL2: no, not yet. except a very fast look into the demo and a *i want that in production at work* I didn't do anythign with it. and I've packaged dependencies only unti yet... so I still don't know much about it
[04-Apr-2007 21:54:02] <WolfeWL2> bzed: OK. Thanks. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:54:54] <WolfeWL2> For another thing I'd like to know how to RegEx the output of a Nagios plugin so you can graph for example the latency of a ping check.
[04-Apr-2007 21:54:55] <bzed> WolfeWL2: I hope that the warn/critical stuff works, though.
[04-Apr-2007 21:55:04] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Me too. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:55:22] <cblack0> did you see http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate?
[04-Apr-2007 21:55:22] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToNagiosCreateTemplate - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[04-Apr-2007 21:55:24] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Yeah...
[04-Apr-2007 21:55:33] <WolfeWL2> I created one. It hasn't errored. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:55:44] <cblack0> hehe
[04-Apr-2007 21:55:46] <WolfeWL2> But it doesn't have a Green/Red status for it like Nagios so I can see what the damn output is.
[04-Apr-2007 21:56:10] * WolfeWL2 doesn't trust what he can't verify.
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[04-Apr-2007 21:58:34] <cblack0> thanks for the help WolfeWL2, I have graphs of individual interfaces now
[04-Apr-2007 21:58:39] <cblack0> woot I suppose
[04-Apr-2007 21:58:40] <WolfeWL2> At this point for us at least, its a far superior replacement for Cacti.
[04-Apr-2007 21:58:55] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: No problem! Someone helped me figure out templates.
[04-Apr-2007 21:59:06] <cblack0> seems like the key is clicking Collect Information after adding
[04-Apr-2007 21:59:10] <WolfeWL2> It was a little easier for us coming from a Zope background to understand the inheritance part.
[04-Apr-2007 21:59:21] <WolfeWL2> For your environment it sounds like it.
[04-Apr-2007 21:59:23] <WolfeWL2> What are the switches?
[04-Apr-2007 21:59:49] <cblack0> dell powerconnect
[04-Apr-2007 21:59:58] <cblack0> I will be adding some brocade FC stuff soont oo
[04-Apr-2007 22:00:02] <cblack0> er, "soon too"
[04-Apr-2007 22:00:10] <WolfeWL2> Might be something strange about the Dells.
[04-Apr-2007 22:00:20] <cblack0> I wouldn't be super surprised by that
[04-Apr-2007 22:00:24] <WolfeWL2> Me either. ;-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:01:02] <WolfeWL2> One thing that would be really nice is the ability to pre-define DataSources separately and then import them into your templates.
[04-Apr-2007 22:01:11] <cblack0> great switches for the price tho. SNMP, SSH, Web, vlan, 802.1x, trunking, etc for 24 10/100s w/ dual GigE uplinks for like $400
[04-Apr-2007 22:01:22] <WolfeWL2> Particularly, given the way the inheritance works.
[04-Apr-2007 22:01:26] <WolfeWL2> That's not bad at all.
[04-Apr-2007 22:01:44] <cblack0> yep, even the PoE doesn't add that much
[04-Apr-2007 22:01:49] <WolfeWL2> We've had good luck with Foundry so we tend to be religious about it. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:02:03] <WolfeWL2> We looked at some Dells for dev...you guys has good reliability?
[04-Apr-2007 22:02:13] <cblack0> no problems so far after about a year on 8 switches
[04-Apr-2007 22:02:21] <cblack0> they also have a cool way to do redundant power supplies
[04-Apr-2007 22:02:22] <bzed> cblack0: for cheap switches I'd still prefer HP, though.
[04-Apr-2007 22:02:42] <cblack0> you can get this little 48V PS that can be a redundant PS for like 3-4 switches in 1U
[04-Apr-2007 22:02:48] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Oh Lord...hush! :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:18] <WolfeWL2> I've got a 5300xl I have to keep the devs from pitchforking.
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:21] <cblack0> WolfeWL2, we also have a few of their full GigE switches, one of them as our iscsi switch and it is doing great
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:24] <WolfeWL2> Damn things is bizarre.
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:36] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: That's pretty impressive. Hows the latency for iSCSI?
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:45] <cblack0> WolfeWL2, "it depends"
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:50] <WolfeWL2> LOL.
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:53] <WolfeWL2> Jumbo packets?
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:56] <cblack0> WolfeWL2, yep
[04-Apr-2007 22:04:22] <WolfeWL2> That's pretty nice for the price.
[04-Apr-2007 22:04:48] <cblack0> WolfeWL2, we have a fileserver that moved from a local 3ware to boot-from-iscsi using a qlogic hba over the dell to a brocade iscsi gw and the perf definitely improved
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:01] <WolfeWL2> Impressive.
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:05] <cblack0> I haven't done too much with full software iscsi
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:17] <WolfeWL2> The iSCSI initiator in Windows and Solaris isn't bad.
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:22] <cblack0> my guess "at least faster than a single local disk"
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:24] <WolfeWL2> I think the Linux one is a lot better now.
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:36] <cblack0> linux one has forked and changed so much it is hard to keep track of
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:36] <WolfeWL2> :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:46] <bzed> WolfeWL2: better than dell. and they have a great support. we've got all broken parts replaced for free and really fast. and the stuff works
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:51] <WolfeWL2> The Solaris target's getting pretty good too.
[04-Apr-2007 22:06:31] <bzed> the linux iscsi target is supposed to be pretty stable
[04-Apr-2007 22:06:34] <WolfeWL2> bzed: You're absolutely right there. We get a lot of strange things like auto-negotiate and Auto-MDIX issues. Also, SSH connections through the HP get terminated after a few hours.
[04-Apr-2007 22:06:39] <bzed> I'm waiting for a stable FC target, though
[04-Apr-2007 22:06:55] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Let me know when that happens. :-) I'd love it.
[04-Apr-2007 22:07:15] <bzed> WolfeWL2: that;s weird. I'm connecting torugh a HP switch to all servers when I'm at work and never ahd any trouble
[04-Apr-2007 22:07:35] <WolfeWL2> Actually, we're moving to SunFire X4500s running ZFS, NFS and iSCSI target (Solaris 10) for our storage servers.
[04-Apr-2007 22:07:46] <bzed> WolfeWL2: there were some old apple notebooks having problems with the auto-neg, though
[04-Apr-2007 22:07:46] <WolfeWL2> bzed: What switch types?
[04-Apr-2007 22:07:56] <cblack0> 24 managed GigE ports for $800 is hard to beat tho
[04-Apr-2007 22:08:08] <WolfeWL2> bzed: We connect the systems to an old 3Com or one of the newer (or older) Foundries and it just works.
[04-Apr-2007 22:08:21] <bzed> WolfeWL2: 2624 or something liek that.
[04-Apr-2007 22:08:25] <cblack0> WolfeWL2, is the X4500 the one with like 48 internal drives?
[04-Apr-2007 22:08:25] <cblack0> "the stomper" or something like that?
[04-Apr-2007 22:08:27] <WolfeWL2> Ah. That's a newer model.
[04-Apr-2007 22:08:33] <WolfeWL2> Yeah. The Thumper. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:08:40] <WolfeWL2> $25K for 24TB.
[04-Apr-2007 22:09:02] <WolfeWL2> Got a quote from NetApp for 21TB for $237K...that's just not happening.
[04-Apr-2007 22:09:07] <cblack0> nice. My question when I looked at those was "how do you access the drives if they come out the top?"
[04-Apr-2007 22:09:13] <bzed> we got a x4200 one month ago. REALLY nice hardware
[04-Apr-2007 22:09:36] <bzed> solid like a rock
[04-Apr-2007 22:09:37] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Its got a cable management arm...just need to make sure it used.
[04-Apr-2007 22:09:45] <WolfeWL2> bzed: What'd y'all use it for?
[04-Apr-2007 22:09:59] <bzed> but we still have such stupid buggy EMC storage :\
[04-Apr-2007 22:10:09] <cblack0> ah, so you just pull it forward on rails to get to the disks thru the top, makes sense
[04-Apr-2007 22:10:11] <WolfeWL2> The SunFire X4x00 kit is slick as hell. The inside is just gorgeous.
[04-Apr-2007 22:10:20] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Yeah. Some folks get skittish about that.
[04-Apr-2007 22:10:38] <cblack0> on sun's site the x4500 says it starts at like 60k
[04-Apr-2007 22:10:57] <bzed> WolfeWL2: the sun.. mainly as webserver, running a huge image database as part of aproject of a lot of universities
[04-Apr-2007 22:11:16] <WolfeWL2> I know Joyent is set up using X4500s, where a server iSCSI mounts 4 volumes off 4 different X4500s running the iSCSI target.
[04-Apr-2007 22:11:41] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Yeah...that's list. They're selling them for about $30-40K normally, and $25K if you qualify for startup essentials.
[04-Apr-2007 22:12:20] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Is the site public?
[04-Apr-2007 22:12:30] <cblack0> how is the manageability of that solution in terms of ease of adding LUNs for someone who isn't a ZFS/Solaris pro?
[04-Apr-2007 22:12:31] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Is that the plone server?
[04-Apr-2007 22:12:33] <bzed> and 2 for the price of one if you're auniversity and have an interesting project to run on it
[04-Apr-2007 22:12:37] <bzed> WolfeWL2: no
[04-Apr-2007 22:12:52] <bzed> WolfeWL2: it's a weird php app :|
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:00] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Its a lot easier than dealing with LVM strangeness.
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:02] <cblack0> we ended up going with pillar data for our san and are very happy, but the price per TB is way more than the suns
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:20] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: I'm sorry you have to deal with those slime balls.
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:28] <cblack0> WolfeWL2, which slime balls?
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:30] <cblack0> pillar?
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:31] <WolfeWL2> Pillar.
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:34] <cblack0> they've been great for us
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:38] <cblack0> what problems did you have?
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:39] <WolfeWL2> We got really close to closing a deal with them.
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:46] <WolfeWL2> About a year ago.
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:59] <WolfeWL2> Erm...welll lets say we wanted non-disruptive code load.
[04-Apr-2007 22:14:10] <WolfeWL2> And they said they'd have it in May (this was March).
[04-Apr-2007 22:14:37] <cblack0> non-disruptive sw updates? yeah, they did not have it until somewhat recently (definitely less than a year ago)
[04-Apr-2007 22:14:40] <WolfeWL2> The deal they wanted to do was give us 2 Axioms for 90 days on the idea it would be availalble.
[04-Apr-2007 22:14:59] <WolfeWL2> And in 90 days if we kept the second Axiom we had to pay for it.
[04-Apr-2007 22:15:11] <WolfeWL2> We said...no....you'll loan us the second Axiom until this feature is available.
[04-Apr-2007 22:15:24] <WolfeWL2> And they said trust us...and screw you...90 days.
[04-Apr-2007 22:16:12] <WolfeWL2> We went with Sun/STK instead. And low and behold May came and Pillar didn't have it.
[04-Apr-2007 22:16:52] <cblack0> overall we are really pleased w/ the axiom, the software is fantastic (and easy enough one of our idiot admins who is uncomfortable on the cmdline can handle)
[04-Apr-2007 22:16:58] <WolfeWL2> Also, they promised 6 month terms too...until the last week when it came to sign the deal. Wouldn't put it on the quote but kept saying just sign.
[04-Apr-2007 22:17:23] <cblack0> that sounds like a pretty crappy sales situation
[04-Apr-2007 22:17:32] <WolfeWL2> All in all not a good experience for us. Trying to close that deal felt like being a turkey over a log.
[04-Apr-2007 22:17:49] <cblack0> we have pretty good sales/service from them. We just upgraded and added more to our axiom this week
[04-Apr-2007 22:17:57] <WolfeWL2> Yeah. Our sales guys were great. But they weren't getting backed up by HQ.
[04-Apr-2007 22:18:08] <WolfeWL2> I'm glad it worked out for you though.
[04-Apr-2007 22:18:21] <WolfeWL2> We talked to Plaxo too before we bought and didn't like thei ssue they had.
[04-Apr-2007 22:18:42] <bzed> always the same when you talk to the peopel who want to sell you stuff. same for the fujitsu-siemens manager who "takes care" of us. a dumbfuck talkign more bullshit then you can imaging. thanks to sun's new opteron servers I'll luckily never see that guy again
[04-Apr-2007 22:18:54] <cblack0> the service we've had has been great, and it is really nice being able to do upgrades and such w/o paying for "professional services" to come in and hook up cables
[04-Apr-2007 22:19:18] <WolfeWL2> Like random MySQL corruption caused by the fact that the Slammer would lose an I/O (not ack it) and Linux's braindead SCSI implementation won't retry SCSI IOs.
[04-Apr-2007 22:19:28] <cblack0> whoa, not good
[04-Apr-2007 22:19:30] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: That's something we really liked upfront.
[04-Apr-2007 22:19:51] <WolfeWL2> bzed: ROFLMAO
[04-Apr-2007 22:19:54] <cblack0> plus their tiered/QoS is really nice (and actually works)
[04-Apr-2007 22:20:01] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Fujitsu SPARC stuff?
[04-Apr-2007 22:20:08] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: That's nice to hear.
[04-Apr-2007 22:20:29] <WolfeWL2> Outside of the X2100 Sun makes really nice kit.
[04-Apr-2007 22:21:12] <bzed> not to forget that the support from siemens here SUCKS ASS. there's no other word for it. if it happens that you get a really good technician, he has to bring material from his home if he wants to test if a controller or a disk driver or whatever is broken. because if you call them and say: there's a read LED lightning on the HDD, they'll send one with a new hdd, even when the controller si broken
[04-Apr-2007 22:21:25] <cblack0> if I were setting up a new company I'd be tempted to be a hybrid Sun/Apple shop
[04-Apr-2007 22:21:34] <bzed> WolfeWL2: no, intel stuff
[04-Apr-2007 22:21:36] <WolfeWL2> bzed: You're kidding? Where are you?
[04-Apr-2007 22:21:41] <bzed> WolfeWL2: germany
[04-Apr-2007 22:21:46] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Ah....
[04-Apr-2007 22:21:58] <cblack0> I thought siemens was better in EU areas...
[04-Apr-2007 22:22:06] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Yeah...skip Apple while you're at it. We had issues with them too....
[04-Apr-2007 22:22:22] <WolfeWL2> Crappy support. Crappier storage arrays.
[04-Apr-2007 22:22:43] <cblack0> WolfeWL2: not even considering them on server side, just theoretically for desktops if I were to do a new company from the ground up
[04-Apr-2007 22:22:48] <WolfeWL2> Either that or we're just gifted at breaking stuff.
[04-Apr-2007 22:23:23] <bzed> http://c9c3.blogspot.com/2007/04/apple-computers.html << why not apple...
[04-Apr-2007 22:23:23] <adytum-bot> Title: jf: Apple Computers (at c9c3.blogspot.com)
[04-Apr-2007 22:23:35] <WolfeWL2> Jerks wanted $200 up front just to determine if the problem was theirs...the warranty wasn't even up.
[04-Apr-2007 22:23:45] <cblack0> adytum-bot, thanks, that was highly useful (not)
[04-Apr-2007 22:23:45] <adytum-bot> cblack0: Error: 'thanks,' is not a valid command.
[04-Apr-2007 22:24:35] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Good article.
[04-Apr-2007 22:25:23] <WolfeWL2> So one day we walk back and the Xserve RAID is screaming its head off with a dead drive. Hmm...that's odd its supposed to e-mail us...
[04-Apr-2007 22:25:41] <WolfeWL2> Try the admin interface...dead as a doornail...thank the Lord the FC side was still passing traffic.
[04-Apr-2007 22:25:49] <WolfeWL2> Call Apple...solution...reboot the array.
[04-Apr-2007 22:25:54] <bzed> LOL
[04-Apr-2007 22:26:11] <WolfeWL2> So yeah...that pretty much nixed its use in Production after that.
[04-Apr-2007 22:27:07] <WolfeWL2> Oh yeah...and LUN masking was historically so bad (it would leak and occaisionally crash the array) that they finally removed it from the most recent firmware 6 months ago.
[04-Apr-2007 22:27:36] <WolfeWL2> The one unit we bought is now an overblown DAS tray to a filer.
[04-Apr-2007 22:27:39] <bzed> WolfeWL2: bnefore our EMC piece was replaced completely we had such nice things that a dying drive interrupted the whole FC bus.... and a lot of other pretty bad failures, including 5 dirty cache flags
[04-Apr-2007 22:27:59] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Holy crap! You're kidding?
[04-Apr-2007 22:28:03] <bzed> no
[04-Apr-2007 22:28:16] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Wow. Was it a single FC loop to the drives?
[04-Apr-2007 22:28:40] <bzed> WolfeWL2: and one SP thinking that the other SP was dead becuase he was failing on it's own.... and then restarting the last working SP
[04-Apr-2007 22:29:00] <WolfeWL2> Oh my Lord.
[04-Apr-2007 22:29:10] <WolfeWL2> Did y'all lose your mind?
[04-Apr-2007 22:29:52] <WolfeWL2> We're moving to the X4500s because we just don't trust arrays anymore.
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:00] <bzed> unfortunately it was a siemens labled box
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:05] <bzed> so we had support from siemens...
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:08] <WolfeWL2> Oh crap....
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:13] <bzed> and they have no damn clue
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:20] <WolfeWL2> Clariion or Symmetrix?
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:26] <WolfeWL2> Did EMC come out at all?
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:37] <bzed> well.. the end was that we told them that we either get a brand new shiny one, with support directly from EMC, or the money back
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:42] <bzed> clariion
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:57] <WolfeWL2> It seems a lot of people bitch about the Clariions.
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:12] <bzed> the buggy thing was a cx-400, now we have a cx500, seems to be more stable than the cx300
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:15] <bzed> err 400
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:27] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Y'all must have pretty good clout to pull that.
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:34] <WolfeWL2> Geez...the new architecture?
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:40] <bzed> there's an ax100 or so from them... I know a guy who's trying to install linux on it, becuase the EMC stuff sucks
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:47] <WolfeWL2> ROFL.
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:57] <cblack0> whoa, that fw info is interesting
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:59] <bzed> it's jsut standard PC hardware
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:01] <cblack0> reading that apple article
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:05] <bzed> hehe
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:14] <cblack0> I'm still buying a macbook pro tho
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:15] <WolfeWL2> We've been really happy with ZFS.
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:21] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Me too. ;-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:24] <bzed> i can imagine
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:46] <bzed> we sent back about 40 of 50 macbook pros of the first series
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:50] <WolfeWL2> Not that ZFS doesn't have a couple of braindead design decisions...but they fix it fast in Solaris Express.
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:56] <bzed> but the recent ones work well
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:58] <WolfeWL2> bzed: How are the newer ones?
[04-Apr-2007 22:33:05] <WolfeWL2> Do they run cooler?
[04-Apr-2007 22:33:27] <bzed> not any problem so far... imho still pretty hot
[04-Apr-2007 22:33:37] <bzed> I'd not like to have one on my lap in summer
[04-Apr-2007 22:33:39] <WolfeWL2> ZFS by defaul will occupy RAM - 1GB for caching.
[04-Apr-2007 22:33:40] <cblack0> ax100 is a pretty slow box I've heard
[04-Apr-2007 22:33:42] <WolfeWL2> ROFL.
[04-Apr-2007 22:34:06] <bzed> cblack0: you don't want to read the perl code which is working on the embedded XP on that box
[04-Apr-2007 22:34:07] <WolfeWL2> MySQL really didn't like that.
[04-Apr-2007 22:34:13] <WolfeWL2> ROFL.
[04-Apr-2007 22:34:30] <WolfeWL2> Its not running the Clariion OS?
[04-Apr-2007 22:34:42] <bzed> there's no clariion os
[04-Apr-2007 22:34:45] <bzed> not afaik
[04-Apr-2007 22:35:00] <WolfeWL2> Oh what's it called...FLARE or something.
[04-Apr-2007 22:35:24] <bzed> there's win NT on the cx up to the 400, and starting with the cx500 there's win xp embedded working on them
[04-Apr-2007 22:35:36] <bzed> oh, you usually don't get a view on the windows stuff
[04-Apr-2007 22:35:47] <bzed> it's all navisphere and stuff
[04-Apr-2007 22:36:33] <bzed> but there's a remote desktop tool for the NT boxes, and afaik you can use rdesktop to connect to the winXP versions.
[04-Apr-2007 22:36:47] <bzed> and the passwords are in the net, just google
[04-Apr-2007 22:36:48] <WolfeWL2> "The CLARiiON Microcode called FLARE provides all the underlying data availability, reliability and advanced functionality of the CLARiiON system."
[04-Apr-2007 22:36:57] <WolfeWL2> I think that's pre-CX though.
[04-Apr-2007 22:37:22] <bzed> could be
[04-Apr-2007 22:37:43] <bzed> but the CX stuff is still using flare in every second word
[04-Apr-2007 22:37:48] <WolfeWL2> The Engenio stuff has been pretty good to us.
[04-Apr-2007 22:37:53] <WolfeWL2> Hmm...interesting.
[04-Apr-2007 22:38:38] <WolfeWL2> There's some interesting things coming out of Sun in the next 6 months you should keep an eye on. ;-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:38:38] <cblack0> embedded xp? oh man...
[04-Apr-2007 22:38:39] <bzed> if you can get the first or second HD of a CX and dump and mount it
[04-Apr-2007 22:38:46] <cblack0> later all
[04-Apr-2007 22:38:54] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Later man. Good luck.
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[04-Apr-2007 22:39:25] <bzed> what's coming out of sun then?
[04-Apr-2007 22:39:37] <WolfeWL2> bzed: I wish I could say. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:39:42] <WolfeWL2> We're testing some of it.
[04-Apr-2007 22:39:46] <WolfeWL2> Under NDA.
[04-Apr-2007 22:39:49] <bzed> ah ok
[04-Apr-2007 22:40:14] <WolfeWL2> You'll like it. I promise. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:40:22] <bzed> sounds good
[04-Apr-2007 22:40:33] <WolfeWL2> Until then...Solaris on X4500s makes a pretty nice platform.
[04-Apr-2007 22:40:40] <bzed> I can imagine
[04-Apr-2007 22:40:56] <WolfeWL2> Bloody fast as hell.
[04-Apr-2007 22:41:06] <WolfeWL2> Just buy it for the spindle count and you'll be happy.
[04-Apr-2007 22:41:08] <bzed> I need to test our new cx500...
[04-Apr-2007 22:41:37] <WolfeWL2> Think of it as a storage array with two dual-core 2.6GHz Opterons as a controller.
[04-Apr-2007 22:41:54] <bzed> we got a 5TB shelf extra for not much money... because they wated to make up for their bad support
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:00] <WolfeWL2> That's more horsepower than most NetApps.
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:04] <bzed> yeah
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:13] <bzed> and more than this EMC stuff
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:18] <WolfeWL2> bzed: What's EMC consider not much money?
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:33] <bzed> 5000 EUR for 5TB sata
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:42] <WolfeWL2> That's a terrific deal.
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:48] <bzed> normally you pay 1000 EUR per drive
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:56] <WolfeWL2> Sounds about right.
[04-Apr-2007 22:43:01] <WolfeWL2> 500GB drives?
[04-Apr-2007 22:43:04] <bzed> yeah
[04-Apr-2007 22:43:22] <bzed> i think 15 of them
[04-Apr-2007 22:43:24] <bzed> or 14
[04-Apr-2007 22:43:37] <WolfeWL2> You did damn well... :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:43:51] <WolfeWL2> Too much magic in storage arrays it seems to me.
[04-Apr-2007 22:43:59] <bzed> we had a not useable system for 3 years
[04-Apr-2007 22:44:07] <WolfeWL2> Excuse me?
[04-Apr-2007 22:44:29] <bzed> yeah, it took them 3 years from the first bad crash until we had a new machine
[04-Apr-2007 22:44:41] <bzed> we had replaced that shit by some good scsi stuff in the meantime
[04-Apr-2007 22:44:42] <WolfeWL2> Geez...
[04-Apr-2007 22:44:59] <WolfeWL2> You're a much better man than me.
[04-Apr-2007 22:45:46] <WolfeWL2> Though we haven't like the price very much, I can say the STK/Engenio arrays have been damn solid, and STK support has been amazing.
[04-Apr-2007 22:46:09] <bzed> sounds good
[04-Apr-2007 22:46:19] <WolfeWL2> But again...magic... ;-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:46:25] <bzed> I have no problem with a bit more expensive hardware if the support is good
[04-Apr-2007 22:46:41] <WolfeWL2> I hear NetApp is very good for support.
[04-Apr-2007 22:46:56] <WolfeWL2> We had them in here a few weeks ago. They've got damn nice kit for the $$$.
[04-Apr-2007 22:48:11] <bzed> I don't like to have samba and co on such a beast, I prefer to build the samba from source to configure it exactly how I need it
[04-Apr-2007 22:48:41] <WolfeWL2> You mean NetApp?
[04-Apr-2007 22:49:12] <WolfeWL2> They're implementation is a lot better than Samba...mainly because they're the only company with codeshare from MS. Its not reverse engineered.
[04-Apr-2007 22:49:51] <bzed> ah ok, didn't know that
[04-Apr-2007 22:50:09] <bzed> so probably they got the code, shook their heads and rewrote it
[04-Apr-2007 22:51:28] <WolfeWL2> They have a perpetual code share agreement. That's why it works better than the other implementations..and why they support new MS features at the same time MS does.
[04-Apr-2007 22:51:32] <WolfeWL2> LOL.
[04-Apr-2007 22:52:10] <WolfeWL2> Apparently MS decided not to do anymore codeshares after NetApp...figuring out filers were actually a business.
[04-Apr-2007 22:52:28] <bzed> haha yeah
[04-Apr-2007 22:52:54] <bzed> wondering when they'll get their own filer out
[04-Apr-2007 22:53:08] <WolfeWL2> You don't consider Storage Server 2003 a filer? ;-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:53:13] <bzed> no
[04-Apr-2007 22:53:31] <bzed> well
[04-Apr-2007 22:54:27] <bzed> I was thinking more about a big 19" box
[04-Apr-2007 22:54:31] <bzed> without monitor
[04-Apr-2007 22:54:36] <WolfeWL2> LOL. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:54:48] <WolfeWL2> An Xbox 360 running Storage Server 2003? ;-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:54:54] <bzed> hahaah
[04-Apr-2007 22:55:05] <bzed> xbox 360 with linux runnign samba
[04-Apr-2007 22:55:14] <WolfeWL2> Touchez. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:56:01] <WolfeWL2> Anywho...I think I need to go home. Its been greatin talking with you.
[04-Apr-2007 22:56:08] <bzed> i find it funny that microsoft didn;t manage to make the xbox secure, linux runs on it, except you have a too recent kernel
[04-Apr-2007 22:56:18] <WolfeWL2> Hope you have a great night. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:56:22] <bzed> thanks, was great to talk with you, too
[04-Apr-2007 22:56:30] <bzed> I need to go to bed, though. 5am
[04-Apr-2007 22:56:40] <WolfeWL2> Ew..... Talk later man. :-)
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[05-Apr-2007 10:38:02] <shibby> is the community.zenoss.com server usually this slow? anyone else seeing some slowness on it?
[05-Apr-2007 10:44:23] <creiht> shibby: Hmmm... seems to load fast for me... is there a specific part that you are seeing slow?
[05-Apr-2007 10:45:15] <shibby> creiht, i think it's slowly improving...the FAQ page was taking a while
[05-Apr-2007 10:46:36] <shibby> it's improved from a few minutes ok
[05-Apr-2007 10:46:37] <shibby> thanks
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[05-Apr-2007 12:23:24] <ecrist> anyone available for a quick question?
[05-Apr-2007 12:25:13] <creiht> ecrist: Ask and you will find out
[05-Apr-2007 12:44:26] <ecrist> well, I'm trying to find a friendly link to the graph images in zenoss
[05-Apr-2007 12:44:39] <ecrist> to embed in another web page
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[05-Apr-2007 12:45:24] <tessier> Hello all!
[05-Apr-2007 12:45:56] <tessier> Question: Is Zenoss suitable for being used as a host database which can keep track of all of the hosts on our network and various host attributes that we might want to add?
[05-Apr-2007 12:50:04] <ecrist> tessier, I'm by no means authoritative, but we're in the process of implementing zenoss for that reason, amongst others.
[05-Apr-2007 12:58:51] <chet> tessier: You'd only be using a tiny fraction of what it can do, but yes. It can be used for that.
[05-Apr-2007 13:07:25] <jreese> man zenoss is badass
[05-Apr-2007 13:07:31] <jreese> just started playing with the xmlrpc api
[05-Apr-2007 13:07:34] <jreese> so slick
[05-Apr-2007 13:23:40] <jimmy-james> anyone have any hints about getting snmpd running? i am running the vmware image of zenoss and i am trying to add a device, the laptop i am running the vm on, and i have snmpd running on the machine, but when i add the device it tells me it cant find snmpd
[05-Apr-2007 13:25:09] <korozion> jimmy-james: most of the time snmp is configured on a machine to only accept connections from localhost
[05-Apr-2007 13:26:11] <jimmy-james> yeah ive never configured snmpd before so im just a little lost
[05-Apr-2007 13:26:37] <jimmy-james> i will dive into this config file
[05-Apr-2007 13:29:28] <tessier> chet: We intend to use all of the rest also
[05-Apr-2007 13:30:15] <tessier> ecrist: How easy is it to add other attributes to the hosts?
[05-Apr-2007 13:32:54] <tessier> ecrist: What if we want to write some custom code to take certain actions on our hosts? Can we just write a zope page template with the actions in it and some python code to implement the methods and integrate it with zenoss?
[05-Apr-2007 13:34:17] <chet> tessier: Taking actions is sort of vague. Zenoss already provides a mechanism to run commands on remote systems if that's what you're talking about.
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[05-Apr-2007 13:39:24] <tessier> chet: I mean things like calling out to services on other machines. We have some custom stuff coming up. Maybe XML-RPC or ReST or who knows what.
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[05-Apr-2007 15:12:02] <creiht> jimmy-james: You might want to check out: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[05-Apr-2007 15:12:02] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[05-Apr-2007 15:12:40] <creiht> tessier: While I don't think zenoss is specifically designed for that, I don't see why not.
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[05-Apr-2007 15:21:06] <jimmy-james> creiht: thanks for the link
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[05-Apr-2007 16:12:44] <densone> hey creiht hows it going today
[05-Apr-2007 16:13:44] <creiht> densone: Well... How are your zenoss trials going?
[05-Apr-2007 16:14:19] <ecrist> anyone know how I can get 'clean' links to thumbnails of my graphs?? something like what cacti offers?
[05-Apr-2007 16:14:50] <creiht> ecrist: You should be able to right click on the graph, and get the image location
[05-Apr-2007 16:15:06] <creiht> I do that to put graphs on our internal corporate wiki
[05-Apr-2007 16:16:30] <ecrist> I do, but our wiki, for example, doesn't recognize the link as an image, and doesn't display it correctly.
[05-Apr-2007 16:16:48] <ecrist> not only that, but it's a huge, nasty, ugly image.
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[05-Apr-2007 16:17:24] <densone1> things are going well ,, still cant igure out this alerting issue
[05-Apr-2007 16:18:39] <densone1> put a post out on the forum
[05-Apr-2007 16:18:47] <densone1> will see if I get a response there
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[05-Apr-2007 16:21:02] <creiht> ecrist: Hmmm... I had a similar problem at first. We use Confluence, and I had to use a tag to tell it to force it as an image
[05-Apr-2007 16:21:10] <creiht> It would think that it was something else instead
[05-Apr-2007 16:27:42] <densone1> I just figured out the problem
[05-Apr-2007 16:27:54] <densone1> looks like my mail server is rejecting the from address.
[05-Apr-2007 16:28:13] <densone1> creiht: any idea on how to set the mail address
[05-Apr-2007 16:30:44] <creiht> densone1: Interesting... not sure
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[05-Apr-2007 16:33:38] <creiht> densone1: Hmmm if you click on Settings in the left column
[05-Apr-2007 16:34:02] <creiht> well maybe not....
[05-Apr-2007 16:35:08] <creiht> densone1: What is the reason that it rejects the email?
[05-Apr-2007 16:44:03] <densone1> let me check my postfix logs
[05-Apr-2007 16:48:41] <densone1> nothing in postfix
[05-Apr-2007 16:49:04] <densone1> must be getting stuck in my hosted mail sever
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[05-Apr-2007 16:55:36] <terje> hi, I just installed the vm instance and I'd like to autodetect all the devices on my network using port scan, rather than snmp.
[05-Apr-2007 16:55:46] <terje> I can't figure out how to tell zendisc to do that.
[05-Apr-2007 16:56:50] <terje> using snmpwalk it finds a bunch of active devices but only creates profiles for the ones that are running some kind of snmpd
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[05-Apr-2007 17:01:29] <terje> I see that zendisc.py has the --collect option
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[05-Apr-2007 17:15:27] <terje> eh, I figured it out
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[06-Apr-2007 04:18:12] <Igbothom_3rd> is there some *decent* documentaiton on actually configuring zenwin somewhere - for example the zope passwords and so on as well as what the pre-service-configuration output is supposed to look like from that step in the readme doc for zenwin?
[06-Apr-2007 04:46:42] <Igbothom_3rd> (I have the passwords working but cannot tell from the output of the "python zenwin.py -C etc\zenwin.cfg" whether it is working as I see an MySQL error
[06-Apr-2007 04:48:24] <Igbothom_3rd> aha - seems to be a RAM issue in the VMWare guest - bumping it and seeing if this helps
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[06-Apr-2007 05:37:32] <ivoks> umm... am i the only one getting spamed by zenoss newsletter?
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[06-Apr-2007 08:13:37] <jp10558> Igbothom_3rd: I too have had middling success with ZenWin
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[06-Apr-2007 09:00:31] <Bulwinkle> I just posted a new problem I am having to the Forums... Anyone here that can help me with a problem adding Cisco 2811 routers?
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[06-Apr-2007 09:47:44] <Bulwinkle> is there any way I can prevent zenoss from downloading the routing tables from my routers by default?
[06-Apr-2007 09:52:00] <monrad> yes
[06-Apr-2007 09:52:23] <monrad> ah damn zenoss is not running for me right now
[06-Apr-2007 09:52:51] <monrad> but its something like, putting RouteMap in ignored ... in zproperties
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[06-Apr-2007 09:55:08] <_chris_> Bulwinkle: look in the zProperties for one
[06-Apr-2007 09:55:16] <_chris_> that's named something liek zCollectorIgnorePlugins
[06-Apr-2007 09:55:22] <_chris_> add in RouteMap
[06-Apr-2007 09:56:22] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: yeah found it... for routers I drilled down to /Device/Network/Router
[06-Apr-2007 09:56:28] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: thanks though!
[06-Apr-2007 09:57:01] <Bulwinkle> damn thing doesn't seem to be pulling in my device table for the 2811 router specifically
[06-Apr-2007 09:58:06] <jshadow> would someone be able to help me work out some issues graphing a custom snmp value in the perf tab?
[06-Apr-2007 09:59:13] <_chris_> jshadow: sure
[06-Apr-2007 09:59:53] <jshadow> basically I have several shell scripts exporting integers
[06-Apr-2007 10:00:03] <jshadow> and I see them when I snmpwalk from my zenoss server
[06-Apr-2007 10:00:22] <jshadow> but when I add them to perfconf and add a datapoint it doesn't graph
[06-Apr-2007 10:00:46] <_chris_> did you add a graph that uses those datapoints?
[06-Apr-2007 10:00:50] <jshadow> I did
[06-Apr-2007 10:01:12] <_chris_> are you collecting the datapoints using commands? or via snmp?
[06-Apr-2007 10:01:16] <jshadow> snmp
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[06-Apr-2007 10:01:30] <Bulwinkle> I found where to change the snmp version from 1 to 2 but it seem to break everything... should I be using 2c?
[06-Apr-2007 10:01:30] <_chris_> did you restart zenperfsnmp?
[06-Apr-2007 10:01:43] <jshadow> I did, but I'll do that again now
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:08] <ivoks> hi; i got 7 copies of the same Zenoss Newsletter today
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:18] <_chris_> other people are complaining about that too
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:25] <_chris_> apparently there is some problem with the mail server we use
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:29] <ivoks> yes
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:38] <_chris_> someone's looking at it
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:40] <_chris_> i know cause
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:45] <_chris_> i asked that someone to look at my VPN problem
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:46] <ivoks> ok, great
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:52] <_chris_> and he said email is the bigger fish to fry right now
[06-Apr-2007 10:03:11] <jshadow> I'm wondering if my setting for Format for the datapoint is wrong
[06-Apr-2007 10:03:21] <jshadow> should it just be %lf for an int?
[06-Apr-2007 10:04:37] <_chris_> try and run this on the zenoss box (as the zenoss user)
[06-Apr-2007 10:04:39] <_chris_> cd $ZENHOME/bin
[06-Apr-2007 10:04:51] <_chris_> ./zenperfsnmp run -v 10 -d <<your device with the PerfConf you modified>>
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[06-Apr-2007 10:09:16] <_chris_> ok sounds good
[06-Apr-2007 10:09:16] <_chris_> now try to look at the Perf tab
[06-Apr-2007 10:09:16] <_chris_> does your graph appear?
[06-Apr-2007 10:09:16] <_chris_> it'll be blank with nan as the value
[06-Apr-2007 10:09:16] <_chris_> but it should appear
[06-Apr-2007 10:09:29] <jshadow> it's blank but zero as the values
[06-Apr-2007 10:09:51] <_chris_> ok
[06-Apr-2007 10:09:56] <_chris_> restart zenperfsnmp
[06-Apr-2007 10:10:01] <_chris_> and wait for 3 collect cycles (15 minutes)
[06-Apr-2007 10:10:06] <_chris_> you should start seeing your value appear
[06-Apr-2007 10:10:39] <jshadow> ok will do, I'll let you know when that's over
[06-Apr-2007 10:10:43] <jshadow> thanks
[06-Apr-2007 10:10:43] <_chris_> cool beans
[06-Apr-2007 10:10:46] <_chris_> no worries
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[06-Apr-2007 10:11:10] <_chris_> rusty from zenoss?
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:07] <rusty> yea - jumped on to let you know we just found out about newletter snafu... i suspeneded email (outbound) and am purging queue. you may get a few additional copies while doing this. more info when I have a chance to see what happened.
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:19] <ivoks> nice, thanks
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:23] <_chris_> what happened?
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:28] <_chris_> crappy zimbra?
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:33] <rusty> really, really sorry.
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:49] <ivoks> it's allright, it happens
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:54] <rusty> no - looks like an issue with the application used to send the newsletter.
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:56] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: can you help me with Zenoss not populating for a specific device?
[06-Apr-2007 10:13:06] <_chris_> Bulwinkle: i can try
[06-Apr-2007 10:13:12] <_chris_> what type of device is it?
[06-Apr-2007 10:14:13] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: its my 2811s (Cisco Router)... I add the device and all I specify is the IP and the /Network/Router/Cisco
[06-Apr-2007 10:14:27] <_chris_> ok
[06-Apr-2007 10:14:33] <ivoks> Default ubuntu mail agent (MTA) is exim4? no, it's postfix
[06-Apr-2007 10:15:15] <_chris_> Bulwinkle: what's missing from the model?
[06-Apr-2007 10:15:51] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: I put the snmp OID it is pulling (.1.3.6.1.4.1.9.1.576) in the Manufacturers under Cisco and it pulls it in as a Cisco with the Oid
[06-Apr-2007 10:16:14] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: not the model (2811)
[06-Apr-2007 10:16:36] <_chris_> ok... i'm trying to understand the problem... -
[06-Apr-2007 10:16:43] <_chris_> are you not seeing things like route tables
[06-Apr-2007 10:16:47] <_chris_> CPU hardware info
[06-Apr-2007 10:16:48] <_chris_> memory sizes
[06-Apr-2007 10:16:54] <_chris_> and things like that
[06-Apr-2007 10:16:59] <_chris_> (in the OS Tab, and Hardware)
[06-Apr-2007 10:17:17] <_chris_> or are you trying to add a custom OID you want to monitor and graph/threshold?
[06-Apr-2007 10:17:23] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: The HW Manufacturer is incorrect... the OS comes in incorrectly too
[06-Apr-2007 10:18:52] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: it is finding the correct OID for the device but not associating it with the device in the manufacturer list
[06-Apr-2007 10:19:27] <_chris_> the HW Manufacturer and the OS are part of the model
[06-Apr-2007 10:19:44] <_chris_> the model is built using the DataCollector plugins (located in $ZENHOME/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp)
[06-Apr-2007 10:20:00] <_chris_> we basically go through every .py module in there and attempt to apply it to the device you added.
[06-Apr-2007 10:20:14] <_chris_> those modules issue SNMP queries to the device and then populate the model with whatever comes back
[06-Apr-2007 10:20:24] <_chris_> if the HW Manufacturer and OS name are incorrect
[06-Apr-2007 10:20:50] <_chris_> that suggests that one of the DataCollector plugins is retrieving that information from the wrong place in the snmp tree
[06-Apr-2007 10:20:51] <_chris_> or
[06-Apr-2007 10:21:01] <_chris_> your device (the cisco 2811) is exporting inaccurate information
[06-Apr-2007 10:22:40] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: any ideas where to start to troubleshoot?
[06-Apr-2007 10:22:44] <_chris_> ya -
[06-Apr-2007 10:22:50] <_chris_> look at the Cisco module
[06-Apr-2007 10:22:55] <_chris_> look at the OIDs it's trying to collect
[06-Apr-2007 10:22:56] <_chris_> and
[06-Apr-2007 10:22:56] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: all of my 2811s return the same snmp oid
[06-Apr-2007 10:23:10] <_chris_> snmpwalk -c <public> -v 1 cisco2811-ip-address <<the oid>>
[06-Apr-2007 10:23:10] <Bulwinkle> SNMPv2-MIB::sysObjectID.0 = OID: SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.1.576
[06-Apr-2007 10:24:28] <Bulwinkle> SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.1.576 = No Such Object available on this agent at this OID
[06-Apr-2007 10:25:15] <Bulwinkle> snmpwalk -c(BLAH) -v2c 192.168.186.244 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.1.576 returns the above
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[06-Apr-2007 10:27:31] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: did you get bumped?
[06-Apr-2007 10:27:48] <_chris__> Bulwinkle: ya.. i connected up a VPN and dropped off
[06-Apr-2007 10:27:55] <_chris__> what comes back from that query against .9.1.576?
[06-Apr-2007 10:28:49] <rusty> hi all. me again.... quick "temperature" check... how many copies of newsletter #1 did you get? Trying to judge just how "south" the process went... I've got 6 copies...
[06-Apr-2007 10:28:59] <_chris__> i only got 1
[06-Apr-2007 10:29:00] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: snmpwalk -c(BLAH) -v2c 192.168.186.244 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.1.576 returns SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.1.576 = No Such Object available on this agent at this OID
[06-Apr-2007 10:29:06] <_chris__> hah
[06-Apr-2007 10:29:07] <_chris__> weird!
[06-Apr-2007 10:29:10] <creiht> rusty: Heh... I only got 1
[06-Apr-2007 10:29:31] <rusty> I'm hoping i caught it before it went completely nuts...
[06-Apr-2007 10:29:45] <_chris__> your device is saying: "go to this location for the sysName" and then that location doesn't exist
[06-Apr-2007 10:31:33] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: it returns the SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.1.576 when I do an snmpwalk -v2c -c(BLAH) IP system
[06-Apr-2007 10:32:05] <jshadow> chris: my monitor is now working thanks very much
[06-Apr-2007 10:32:16] <_chris__> jshadow: huzzah!
[06-Apr-2007 10:33:10] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: same thing happens for my 6509 MSFC but it pulled in correctly
[06-Apr-2007 10:34:29] <_chris__> Bulwinkle: ahhh interesting.
[06-Apr-2007 10:34:40] <_chris__> go ahead and use snmp v2c then rather than v1
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[06-Apr-2007 10:34:41] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: very
[06-Apr-2007 10:34:52] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: done that
[06-Apr-2007 10:35:02] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: for network traffic sake
[06-Apr-2007 10:35:24] <_chris__> hmmm
[06-Apr-2007 10:35:38] <_chris__> i'm not sure what else to suggest. have you posted to zenoss-users?
[06-Apr-2007 10:36:09] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: yeppers
[06-Apr-2007 10:36:50] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: I'm looking in the snmp directory of zenoss, what should I look for?
[06-Apr-2007 10:37:08] <_chris__> look at the CiscoHSRP.py
[06-Apr-2007 10:39:47] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: I see some stuff in there about hardware but there is more in DeviceMap.py
[06-Apr-2007 10:40:28] <_chris__> all the .py files are loaded
[06-Apr-2007 10:40:30] <_chris__> most of them are run
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[06-Apr-2007 10:42:14] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: I don't see anything in any of them about sysObjectID
[06-Apr-2007 10:44:25] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: Let me see if this makes sense to you.....
[06-Apr-2007 10:45:11] <Bulwinkle> When Zenoss adds a new device and doesn't find the Hardware OID in the database (or software for that matter) it adds it in under "Unknown" right?
[06-Apr-2007 10:45:38] <_chris__> sounds reasonable
[06-Apr-2007 10:46:37] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: I moved that OID under the Cisco Manufacturer and it always shows up there now.... So by that reasoning, it is finding the right OID and matching it to that instance
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[06-Apr-2007 11:09:01] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: I fixed it
[06-Apr-2007 11:09:11] <_chris__> what did you find?
[06-Apr-2007 11:10:18] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: in the manufacturing list under Cisco I had 2811 so I deleted it. I took the OID that Zenoss was putting all of the 2811s in to and named it 2811....
[06-Apr-2007 11:14:00] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: is there a way I can scan a subnet and automatically put anything found there in the /Network/Router/Cisco tree?
[06-Apr-2007 11:14:27] <_chris__> what you're referring to is autodiscovery
[06-Apr-2007 11:14:39] <_chris__> i'm not sure if you can automatically put the discovered devices into /Network/Router/Cisco
[06-Apr-2007 11:14:47] <_chris__> never really used that feature
[06-Apr-2007 11:14:48] <_chris__> but yes -
[06-Apr-2007 11:14:54] <_chris__> you can discover all the boxes on a subnet that respond to pings
[06-Apr-2007 11:14:57] <_chris__> add them to zenoss
[06-Apr-2007 11:15:05] <_chris__> and then select them all and sweep them into a device class
[06-Apr-2007 11:16:00] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: when a device is pinged and found to be a Cisco device isn't it automatically put in the /Network/Router/Cisco tree?
[06-Apr-2007 11:16:30] <_chris__> no - because you can't tell the type of the device from an ICMP packet
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[06-Apr-2007 11:16:49] <_chris__> hi oubiwann
[06-Apr-2007 11:16:49] <creiht> Bulwinkle: It will attempt an snmp walk
[06-Apr-2007 11:16:50] <_chris__>
[06-Apr-2007 11:17:08] <oubiwann> _chris__: hey man!
[06-Apr-2007 11:17:11] <creiht> if it can figure out the device based on the snmp info
[06-Apr-2007 11:17:19] <Bulwinkle> Lets see what happens
[06-Apr-2007 11:17:21] <creiht> hehe
[06-Apr-2007 11:17:28] <creiht> Not sure if it auto puts it there
[06-Apr-2007 11:17:40] <creiht> I remember being shown the beginnings have having that capability
[06-Apr-2007 11:17:48] <creiht> But not sure if it was fully flushed out yet
[06-Apr-2007 11:18:53] <creiht> What type of cisco device is it?
[06-Apr-2007 11:20:53] <Bulwinkle> creiht: most of them are 2811 routers
[06-Apr-2007 11:21:17] <Bulwinkle> creiht: we have all of our devices loopback ip addresses in certain subnets....
[06-Apr-2007 11:22:01] <creiht> I'm going to bet that they do not automatically go to the CISCO device tree
[06-Apr-2007 11:22:05] <creiht> Check out
[06-Apr-2007 11:22:07] <creiht> zport/dmd/Manufacturers/Cisco/products/2811/viewProductClassOverview
[06-Apr-2007 11:22:17] <creiht> Appended to your zenoss server name of course
[06-Apr-2007 11:22:33] <creiht> If you look at the zproperties tab
[06-Apr-2007 11:23:04] <creiht> There is a field for zDeviceClass
[06-Apr-2007 11:23:18] <creiht> That is supposed to tell it what class to put it in if it detects
[06-Apr-2007 11:23:22] <creiht> the device
[06-Apr-2007 11:23:36] <creiht> I don't know if they actually got that functionality hooked up yet though
[06-Apr-2007 11:23:39] <Bulwinkle> creiht: I see.....
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[06-Apr-2007 11:25:11] <Bulwinkle> Doesn't seem to be much of an issue I can go to the /Devices/Discovered and move them around there
[06-Apr-2007 11:25:28] <creiht> yup
[06-Apr-2007 11:25:37] <Bulwinkle> Not too shabby
[06-Apr-2007 11:25:57] <Bulwinkle> We are using a Nagios/Cacti solution now. This might really work for us
[06-Apr-2007 11:26:36] <creiht> Bulwinkle: Cool... I think you will find it much easier to manage than Nagois
[06-Apr-2007 11:26:59] <Bulwinkle> My boss is happy with the solution we have but Nagios is practically a full time job
[06-Apr-2007 11:28:16] <Bulwinkle> It would be worth some $$$s for the ease of configuration Hell I'd pay for Zenoss myself
[06-Apr-2007 11:28:30] <creiht> hehe
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[06-Apr-2007 11:36:06] <Aziraphale> creiht: doesn't look like zDeviceClass is filled just yet (1.1)
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[06-Apr-2007 11:36:30] <creiht> Yeah... I didn't think so
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[06-Apr-2007 11:37:53] <Aziraphale> is nthat infrastructure for the zenpacks?
[06-Apr-2007 11:38:37] <creiht> Aziraphale: I don't think so... It's been there for a while, but I don't think it has quite been hooked up, since noone has really asked for it yet
[06-Apr-2007 11:38:45] <creiht> At least that was the impression that I got
[06-Apr-2007 11:39:03] <Aziraphale> ok
[06-Apr-2007 11:39:48] <creiht> Though I am really looking forward to being able to make some zenpacks
[06-Apr-2007 11:40:28] <Aziraphale> yeah, was thinking of that myself, especially for Juniper routers
[06-Apr-2007 11:41:34] <creiht> We have several custom apps that I would like to add plugins to monitor
[06-Apr-2007 11:41:40] <creiht> As well as things like postgresql
[06-Apr-2007 11:42:07] <Bulwinkle> I think I found a bug too....
[06-Apr-2007 11:45:59] <Aziraphale> huh, looking through the changesets it looks like upgrading from 1.1 will be less than trivial...
[06-Apr-2007 11:52:27] <Bulwinkle> When I open a device to edit its location it looses some of its other configuration information
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[06-Apr-2007 12:16:23] <WolfeWLU> Hey all.
[06-Apr-2007 12:16:35] <WolfeWLU> Is there a place where creating zenpacks is documented?
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[06-Apr-2007 12:20:26] <WolfeWLU> OK....that's just cruel and usual: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/ZenPacks
[06-Apr-2007 12:20:26] <adytum-bot> Title: ZenPacks - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[06-Apr-2007 12:22:32] <chet> WolfeWLU: There is some documentation under inst/docs
[06-Apr-2007 12:37:26] <WolfeWLU> Hmm....
[06-Apr-2007 12:37:29] <WolfeWLU> chet: Thanks. :-)
[06-Apr-2007 12:37:48] <WolfeWLU> chet: Do you know if Zenoss understands warn vs. critical on Nagios plugins?
[06-Apr-2007 12:38:05] <WolfeWLU> chet: That and if you can RegEx the return string for numbers to be graphed.
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[06-Apr-2007 12:54:09] <chet> WolfeWLU: I'll answer those questions in a few minutes. brb..
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[06-Apr-2007 13:11:53] <b_52Centos> hmm i have forgetten the password / user for my zenoss
[06-Apr-2007 13:12:00] <b_52Centos> i have a frech install
[06-Apr-2007 13:28:57] <chet> You can run zenpass to reset it.
[06-Apr-2007 13:32:20] <chet> WolfeWLU: Still there?
[06-Apr-2007 13:44:47] <chet> WolfeWLU: If you set the template's severity to warning a plugin WARNING will equal a warning severity and a plugin CRITICAL will equal a error severity.
[06-Apr-2007 13:46:06] <chet> WolfeWLU: If you set the template's severity to error, a plugin WARNING will equal an error severity and a plugin CRITICAL will equal a critical severity.
[06-Apr-2007 13:47:19] <chet> WolfeWLU: You can't use a regex to match anything in the plugin's output. You need to create data point names that match names in the plugin's performance output string.
[06-Apr-2007 13:50:17] <jreese> wee, got the zenrrdzoom.js script working for ie
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[06-Apr-2007 13:59:43] <chet> jreese: Post that diff to the mailing list. A lot of people would want to see that.
[06-Apr-2007 14:02:15] <jreese> i shoulda saved the original, doh, hehe
[06-Apr-2007 14:05:43] <jreese> can someone hook me up with the orignal zenrrdzoom.js file?
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[06-Apr-2007 15:14:31] <b_52Centos> any pointer that heklp to configure snmp on a linux machine
[06-Apr-2007 15:16:24] <creiht> b_52Centos: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[06-Apr-2007 15:16:24] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[06-Apr-2007 15:18:16] <b_52Centos> creiht, thanks
[06-Apr-2007 15:19:32] <Bulwinkle> When I go through the autodiscovery everything works perfectly now... Populates my Cisco device and IOS but when I go in to change the Location Path I have to reenter the IOS and Hardware or it looses it...
[06-Apr-2007 15:20:03] <creiht> Bulwinkle: That is odd
[06-Apr-2007 15:20:15] <creiht> How are you changing the location?
[06-Apr-2007 15:20:15] <Bulwinkle> creiht: you're telling me
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[06-Apr-2007 15:20:35] <Bulwinkle> creiht: I'm going directly in to the device and changing it in the pulldown
[06-Apr-2007 15:20:44] <creiht> hrmm
[06-Apr-2007 15:21:01] <creiht> I would file a bug at dev.zenoss.org
[06-Apr-2007 15:21:12] <Bulwinkle> creiht: when I go in to edit the device the stuff that is in the status page isn't in the edit page
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[06-Apr-2007 15:52:13] <b52laptop> snmpwalk -v 1 192.168.1.201 -c public
[06-Apr-2007 15:52:13] <b52laptop> Timeout: No Response from 192.168.1.201
[06-Apr-2007 15:52:13] <b52laptop> tracteur:/var/log#
[06-Apr-2007 15:52:16] <b52laptop>
[06-Apr-2007 15:52:21] <b52laptop> arghhh:d
[06-Apr-2007 15:52:26] <b52laptop> why snmp is so complicated
[06-Apr-2007 15:58:39] <creiht> b52laptop: Make sure that you don't have something running like portsentry
[06-Apr-2007 15:58:44] <creiht> or iptables blocking it
[06-Apr-2007 15:59:25] <b52laptop> creiht, nop , i got no portentry , and iptables have no rule yet
[06-Apr-2007 15:59:44] <b52laptop> in fact snmpwalk -v 1 127.0.0.1 -c public
[06-Apr-2007 15:59:44] <b52laptop> give a result
[06-Apr-2007 16:00:18] <b52laptop> but snmpwalk -v 1 192.168.1.201 -c public <--the ip of the lan give nothing !
[06-Apr-2007 16:01:50] <creiht> b52laptop: so is 192.168.1.201 the machine you are running snmp on?
[06-Apr-2007 16:01:55] <creiht> err snmpwalk
[06-Apr-2007 16:02:14] <b52laptop> creiht, yeap , even if i run snmpwalk from another machine , same result
[06-Apr-2007 16:02:37] <creiht> Sounds like snmpd is binding to 127.0.0.1 and not 192.168.1.201
[06-Apr-2007 16:02:47] <b52laptop> hm
[06-Apr-2007 16:10:51] <b52laptop> creiht , i add com2sec readonly 192.168.1.201 public in snmpd.conf but snmpwalk -v 1 192.168.1.201 -c public
[06-Apr-2007 16:10:51] <b52laptop> Timeout: No Response from 192.168.1.201
[06-Apr-2007 16:10:51] <b52laptop> tracteur:/var/log#
[06-Apr-2007 16:13:01] <WolfeWLU> chet: Thank you very much.
[06-Apr-2007 16:13:18] <WolfeWLU> chet: Is there anyway to see what the last return from a plugin check was?
[06-Apr-2007 16:13:36] <creiht> b52laptop: Well that sets what client ip can hit snmp
[06-Apr-2007 16:13:56] <creiht> I'm not sure how you control which ip snmp binds to
[06-Apr-2007 16:14:05] <creiht> By default I thought it was supposed to bind to all interfaces
[06-Apr-2007 16:14:17] <b52laptop> yeah me to
[06-Apr-2007 16:14:56] <creiht> hrmm
[06-Apr-2007 16:15:19] <WolfeWLU> creiht: I believe snmpd will let you specify which addresses to bind to on the command line.
[06-Apr-2007 16:15:27] <creiht> WolfeWLU: Right
[06-Apr-2007 16:15:29] * b52laptop didn't think that something "little" like snmp will give him a headach :d
[06-Apr-2007 16:15:43] <creiht> But by default when you run it, it is supposed to bind to all interfaces
[06-Apr-2007 16:15:51] <WolfeWLU> Ah.
[06-Apr-2007 16:15:52] <creiht> b52laptop: What os?
[06-Apr-2007 16:15:57] <b52laptop> creiht, ubuntu
[06-Apr-2007 16:16:45] <b52laptop> linux i mean
[06-Apr-2007 16:16:52] <creiht> hehe
[06-Apr-2007 16:17:48] <b52laptop> monitoring with ssh is bad for security from what i read ?
[06-Apr-2007 16:18:19] <creiht> I'm not completely sure from a security point of view
[06-Apr-2007 16:18:25] <creiht> but it definately is not as scalable
[06-Apr-2007 16:18:38] <b52laptop> hm ok
[06-Apr-2007 16:19:01] <creiht> b52laptop: You restart snmpd when you make snmpd.conf changes right?
[06-Apr-2007 16:19:01] <b52laptop> in syslog , snmp says that he only receive interface from lo interface
[06-Apr-2007 16:19:13] <b52laptop> creiht, hhhhhhhhh , naturelly :d
[06-Apr-2007 16:19:20] <creiht> hehe
[06-Apr-2007 16:19:24] <creiht> just making sure
[06-Apr-2007 16:19:34] <b52laptop> yeah , i know ...
[06-Apr-2007 16:21:29] <creiht> Why does it semm like I have had a similar problem in the past, but I can't quite recall what I had to do to fix it
[06-Apr-2007 16:23:09] <creiht> b52laptop: Can you paste your snmpd.conf to one of the paste servers i.e(paste.lisp.org)
[06-Apr-2007 16:23:27] <b52laptop> creiht, ok give me a minute
[06-Apr-2007 16:23:29] <creiht> blanking out any sensitive info
[06-Apr-2007 16:27:14] <b52laptop> creiht, http://paste.lisp.org/display/39334
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[06-Apr-2007 16:29:11] <creiht> b52laptop: What I would do first is cp your current snmpd.conf to a backup
[06-Apr-2007 16:29:19] <creiht> And then make a clean file
[06-Apr-2007 16:29:30] <creiht> and put in just the parts from the web page that I posted earlier
[06-Apr-2007 16:29:37] <creiht> And see if that works
[06-Apr-2007 16:30:14] <creiht> If it does, either use just that, or start with that as your base
[06-Apr-2007 16:30:25] <b52laptop> creiht, apt-get --purge snmp snmpd && rm -fr /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf && apt-get install snmpd snmp == yeah yeah it's ugly
[06-Apr-2007 16:30:41] <b52laptop> but he is driving me crazy
[06-Apr-2007 16:30:56] <creiht> hehe
[06-Apr-2007 16:30:57] <b52laptop> i put just what was on the page ...
[06-Apr-2007 16:31:07] <creiht> hrmm
[06-Apr-2007 16:31:48] <creiht> ok
[06-Apr-2007 16:31:49] <creiht> change
[06-Apr-2007 16:32:03] <creiht> view system included .iso.org.dod.internet.mgmt.mib-2.system
[06-Apr-2007 16:32:05] <creiht> to
[06-Apr-2007 16:32:17] <creiht> view systemview included .1
[06-Apr-2007 16:32:42] <creiht> and
[06-Apr-2007 16:32:46] <creiht> change the access line
[06-Apr-2007 16:32:59] <creiht> replace notConfigGroup with MyROSystem
[06-Apr-2007 16:34:29] <WolfeWLU> Is there anyway to check whether a Nagios plugin datasource is running correctly? Would like to see the output.
[06-Apr-2007 16:35:07] <creiht> WolfeWLU: You can just run it from the command line
[06-Apr-2007 16:35:31] <b52laptop> same prob running for lo0 and not for eth0
[06-Apr-2007 16:35:40] <creiht> hrmm
[06-Apr-2007 16:36:48] <creiht> also get rid of the line that you added: com2sec readonly 192.168.1.201 public
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:05] <b52laptop> get ride = remove ?
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:14] <creiht> yes
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:17] <b52laptop> ok
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:18] <creiht> or comment out
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:19] <creiht>
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:22] <b52laptop>
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:43] <b52laptop> sorry french speaker (even if i don't like french ...) :d
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:49] <creiht> heh
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:51] <creiht> np
[06-Apr-2007 16:39:20] <b52laptop> creiht, second solution is to go to /etc/init.d/snmpd and modify the snmpd to make it run with the option to force him to listenm to eth0 interface ?
[06-Apr-2007 16:39:36] <b52laptop> a violent one but snmp is looking for trouble
[06-Apr-2007 16:40:25] <creiht> b52laptop: hehe... I'm not sure if you can actually specify it in the snmpd.conf, but I know you can when you start snmpd as a command line option
[06-Apr-2007 16:40:44] <creiht> That's why I think it is some type of config issue
[06-Apr-2007 16:40:51] <creiht> So the last change didn't make a difference?
[06-Apr-2007 16:41:11] <b52laptop> nop the last change dint make any difference
[06-Apr-2007 16:41:28] <creiht> ugh
[06-Apr-2007 16:41:40] <b52laptop> as i say , he is looking for trouble
[06-Apr-2007 16:42:52] <creiht> I think you have exhausted my expertise at this point
[06-Apr-2007 16:42:53] <creiht> sorry
[06-Apr-2007 16:43:08] <b52laptop> creiht, thanks man :d
[06-Apr-2007 16:43:19] <WolfeWLU> creiht: No I mean I want to see what values Zenoss is seeing. I like to be able to get a heads up of what's going on with services at the current moment.
[06-Apr-2007 16:43:35] <creiht> ahh
[06-Apr-2007 16:43:57] <b52laptop> /usr/sbin/snmpd -xTCP:161 192.168.1.201
[06-Apr-2007 16:44:01] <b52laptop> should start snmpd
[06-Apr-2007 16:45:01] <b52laptop> ?
[06-Apr-2007 16:45:11] <creiht> b52laptop: Not sure
[06-Apr-2007 16:45:23] <creiht> WolfeWLU: The log for that is zencommand.log
[06-Apr-2007 16:45:25] <b52laptop> he doesn't start in fatc :d
[06-Apr-2007 16:45:35] <creiht> But by default it only logs errors
[06-Apr-2007 16:45:45] <creiht> It doesn't log all checks like most of the other logs do
[06-Apr-2007 16:51:13] <b52laptop> creiht, could yu paste me yur /etc/snmp/snmptrapd.conf ?
[06-Apr-2007 16:51:47] <WolfeWLU> creight: On the filesystem?
[06-Apr-2007 16:51:56] <creiht> b52laptop: Just a sec
[06-Apr-2007 16:51:59] <creiht> WolfeWLU: Yes
[06-Apr-2007 16:52:01] <b52laptop> ok
[06-Apr-2007 16:52:12] <creiht> It will be under $ZENHOME/log
[06-Apr-2007 16:52:13] <WolfeWLU> creiht: LOL. Its empty.
[06-Apr-2007 16:52:16] <creiht> yeah
[06-Apr-2007 16:52:30] <creiht> It only by default prints errors... I'm looking to see how to set the log level
[06-Apr-2007 16:52:56] <WolfeWLU> Ah.
[06-Apr-2007 16:52:58] <WolfeWLU> Thank you.
[06-Apr-2007 16:58:51] <creiht> b52laptop: http://paste.lisp.org/display/31046
[06-Apr-2007 16:59:50] <b52laptop> creiht, clean and simple :d the snmptrapd is empty right ?
[06-Apr-2007 16:59:58] <creiht> yeah
[06-Apr-2007 17:00:04] <creiht> I don't do any traps
[06-Apr-2007 17:00:15] <monrad> is ./install.sh still the way to go?
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[06-Apr-2007 17:00:38] <creiht> b52laptop: You will want to replace certain parts with the right things
[06-Apr-2007 17:00:44] <creiht> community string, polling ip, etc.
[06-Apr-2007 17:00:51] <b52laptop> yeap
[06-Apr-2007 17:00:51] <creiht> monrad: I still do that
[06-Apr-2007 17:01:09] <monrad> i seem to have a problem with zc.queue with trunk
[06-Apr-2007 17:01:29] <WolfeWLU> creight: Mm...can't seem to find where they set the Twisted log level...
[06-Apr-2007 17:01:56] <creiht> WolfeWLU: Yeah... It seems like it should be possible, but I can't find quite the right thing
[06-Apr-2007 17:04:09] <creiht> oh
[06-Apr-2007 17:04:11] <creiht> WolfeWLU:
[06-Apr-2007 17:04:18] <creiht> try
[06-Apr-2007 17:04:25] <creiht> zencommand restart -v 10
[06-Apr-2007 17:04:36] <creiht> That should increase the log level
[06-Apr-2007 17:05:03] <b52laptop> creiht, http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=4959 i tried to take a look at net-snmp mailling list but it seems down ....
[06-Apr-2007 17:05:03] <adytum-bot> Title: SourceForge.net: Exiting with Error (at sourceforge.net)
[06-Apr-2007 17:05:24] <creiht> heh
[06-Apr-2007 17:08:18] <WolfeWLU> Thank you! That works.
[06-Apr-2007 17:09:23] <WolfeWLU> Its definitely running.
[06-Apr-2007 17:12:53] <WolfeWLU> Now to troubleshoot the return parsing...
[06-Apr-2007 17:14:58] <b_52Centos> i add my device = routeur but my perf don't show any graphs !?
[06-Apr-2007 17:16:32] <b_52Centos> err i forget to give him the password :d
[06-Apr-2007 17:17:10] <monrad> creiht: done it lately?
[06-Apr-2007 17:17:44] <creiht> WolfeWLU: Cool
[06-Apr-2007 17:17:58] <creiht> monrad: I upgraded from 1.0.2 to 1.1.1 last week
[06-Apr-2007 17:18:03] <monrad> ok
[06-Apr-2007 17:18:30] <monrad> i have run trunk lately so i guess i wait until it works again
[06-Apr-2007 17:19:22] <creiht> b_52Centos: Also remember that once it starts polling, it will take a bit before graphs will show up
[06-Apr-2007 17:19:51] <b_52Centos> creiht, 5 minute ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:20:30] <monrad> more like 15
[06-Apr-2007 17:20:34] <creiht> b_52Centos: It can take up to 30 minutes for the config to refresh
[06-Apr-2007 17:20:39] <b_52Centos> monrad, joking ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:20:44] <b_52Centos> errrrrrrr
[06-Apr-2007 17:20:49] <creiht> Unless you restart zenoss
[06-Apr-2007 17:20:59] <creiht> which it will grab the new config
[06-Apr-2007 17:21:08] <creiht> And then 5-10 minutes to get the new data
[06-Apr-2007 17:21:12] <creiht> err enough data
[06-Apr-2007 17:21:19] <b_52Centos> gr ,
[06-Apr-2007 17:21:23] <b_52Centos> ok
[06-Apr-2007 17:22:26] <b_52Centos> on the status tab , i only see , the blue rectangle that seems active all the others are empy hmmm
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[06-Apr-2007 17:24:18] <rodeoclown> so we've just setup or still in the process of setting up zenoss. I haven't touched it myself but I'm in charge of backups, what is critical to backup on a Zenoss install on Linux?
[06-Apr-2007 17:24:55] <creiht> rodeoclown: There is a whole section in the Zenoss Manual on that
[06-Apr-2007 17:26:02] <rodeoclown> creiht : awesome, i'll take a look. the fellow employee setting it up said the docs weren't that good or detailed on backups, so i'll beat him over the head and tell him to quit lying
[06-Apr-2007 17:26:27] <creiht> rodeoclown: http://zenoss.com/download/latest/adminguidew
[06-Apr-2007 17:26:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss Download Redirect (at zenoss.com)
[06-Apr-2007 17:28:12] <creiht> rodeoclown: Sections 14.10 and 14.11
[06-Apr-2007 17:28:24] <rodeoclown> awesome thanks
[06-Apr-2007 17:30:28] <N[]VA> any one every seen various socket time outs
[06-Apr-2007 17:30:39] <N[]VA> after setting up http or website monitoring?
[06-Apr-2007 17:32:43] <b52laptop> to enable ssh monitoring i have to install portsentry
[06-Apr-2007 17:33:04] <b52laptop> ZenModeler give me a warning about that ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:33:20] <creiht> N[]VA: Yes
[06-Apr-2007 17:33:34] <b_52Centos> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 71, in processClient datamaps = plugin.process(device, results, log) File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/cmd/linux/ifconfig.py", line 62, in process if "UP" in flags: iface.operStatus = 1 UnboundLocalError: local variable 'iface' referenced before assignment
[06-Apr-2007 17:33:44] <b_52Centos> what's that ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:34:02] <creiht> A Traceback
[06-Apr-2007 17:34:09] <creiht> Where did you get that?
[06-Apr-2007 17:34:34] <b_52Centos> /Devices /Server /Linux /tracteur
[06-Apr-2007 17:34:43] <b_52Centos> i went to manage tab
[06-Apr-2007 17:34:51] <b_52Centos> and i click over cllect the configuration
[06-Apr-2007 17:34:59] <b_52Centos> and this magic phrase appear to me
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:03] <N[]VA> yes creiht?
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:07] <creiht> hrmm
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:09] <N[]VA> did you manage to find the issue?
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:25] <N[]VA> with socket timeouts / website monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:26] <creiht> N[]VA: Well if the socket times out then the server isn't responding in time
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[06-Apr-2007 17:35:41] <N[]VA> via my desktop it does
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:45] <N[]VA> wich is the issue\
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:47] <creiht> When it happens here, apache has died, but it is still running
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:48] <creiht> ahh
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:05] <creiht> I've only seen it when it really happen
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:12] <N[]VA> zenoss desperately needs some kinda decent flap detection
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:14] <creiht> err well when it is a a real problem
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:31] <N[]VA> well monitorinf servers between in usa / uk / africa
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:31] <b_52Centos> flap detection = ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:34] <N[]VA> im seeing allot
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:41] <N[]VA> yea flap detection
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:45] <b_52Centos> =?
[06-Apr-2007 17:37:01] <N[]VA> like a rule needs to be triggered 3 times before an alert gets sent
[06-Apr-2007 17:37:12] <b_52Centos> ah ok
[06-Apr-2007 17:37:30] <b_52Centos> is it normal to see no event in the status tab ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:37:54] <N[]VA> not at all
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:01] <N[]VA> 3000+ devices
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:03] <b_52Centos> grrr
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:11] <creiht> N[]VA: It has that
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:13] <N[]VA> almost always have some thing in the dashboard
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:22] <N[]VA> where?, creiht
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:36] * b_52Centos got nadaon the dashboard :d
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:44] <b_52Centos> nadaon/nada
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:54] <N[]VA> ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:39:15] <b52laptop> should i install portscan on the monitored machine ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:39:35] <creiht> N[]VA: Well I know you can do that for sending out emails and pages for alerts
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[06-Apr-2007 17:39:50] <creiht> b_52Centos: It doesn't seem like you should have to do that
[06-Apr-2007 17:40:03] <N[]VA> yes
[06-Apr-2007 17:40:05] <N[]VA> that works fine
[06-Apr-2007 17:40:10] <b_52Centos> hm
[06-Apr-2007 17:40:58] <N[]VA> issue is whilst I have a custom /device (in this case "/device/server/windows/webserver) with web page monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:04] <N[]VA> i get socket time out errors
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:22] <creiht> N[]VA: There probably is a way to filter it, I just don't know
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:29] <N[]VA> almost as though its distro reeelated
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:38] <N[]VA> or file/socket limitations
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:42] <b_52Centos> 007-04-06 21:41:30 WARNING zen.ZenModeler no snmp plugins found for tracteur
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:43] <b_52Centos> 2007-04-06 21:41:30 WARNING zen.ZenModeler no portscan plugins found for tracteur
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:45] <creiht> N[]VA: You could also set up collectors on the edges
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:54] <creiht> That would report back to a central machine
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:07] <creiht> b_52Centos: That's normal
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:08] <N[]VA> ohw'd you mean?
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:15] <N[]VA> yea granted
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:17] <b_52Centos> creiht, hm ok
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:18] <creiht> Well if the problem is related to latency
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:28] <creiht> or connectivity problems
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:29] <b_52Centos> Events
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:30] <b_52Centos> 0/0 0/0 0/0 0/0 0/0
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:44] <creiht> You could set up a poller say overseas
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:48] <creiht> Where the other servers ar
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:02] <creiht> It would do all the monitoring, and report events back to the main server
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:04] <N[]VA> but I think its plain and simply that zenoss executes all the http_check commands at the same time and max's out the number of available sockets on the server
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:08] <creiht> And thus you wouldn't have the timeouts
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:11] <creiht> ahhh
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:13] <N[]VA> not latency
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:16] <creiht> gotcha
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:19] <N[]VA> nor network outages
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:22] <creiht> That's a good question
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:29] <N[]VA> ubuntu 6.10 btw
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:50] <creiht> I think the nagios plugins are there more for convenience
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:58] <creiht> Not neccesarilly optimal
[06-Apr-2007 17:44:13] <creiht> The next version will include their new plugin system
[06-Apr-2007 17:44:15] <creiht> Zenpacks
[06-Apr-2007 17:44:25] <creiht> Which should have much better collectors for that type of stuff
[06-Apr-2007 17:45:14] <N[]VA> well zenoss is failing drasticly then
[06-Apr-2007 17:45:28] <creiht> N[]VA: What do you mean?
[06-Apr-2007 17:45:30] <N[]VA> when it comes to convenience
[06-Apr-2007 17:45:37] <N[]VA> well no default web monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 17:45:51] <N[]VA> no jabber/msn/icq/aol alerts
[06-Apr-2007 17:45:53] <N[]VA> =\
[06-Apr-2007 17:45:55] <creiht> Well that is just my opinion
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:01] <N[]VA> iv worked around all of them
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:03] <creiht> I don't speak officially for zenoss
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:14] <N[]VA> but still think basic web monitoring should be included
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:20] <creiht> N[]VA: They are working on it
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:25] <N[]VA> its a basic fundamental
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:29] <creiht> It was supposed to be release in 1.1
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:34] <N[]VA> =]
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:37] <creiht> but got pushed to the next release
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:54] <creiht> They added the nagios plugins to give basic functionality until then
[06-Apr-2007 17:47:09] <creiht> It will also do transactional monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 17:47:18] <creiht> So that you can record a series of web hits
[06-Apr-2007 17:47:21] <creiht> And play it back
[06-Apr-2007 17:47:54] <creiht> It will do basic http port monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 17:47:57] <creiht> right now
[06-Apr-2007 17:47:59] <creiht> without nagios
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[06-Apr-2007 17:48:28] <creiht> I would post to the newgroup with the issue, and you will get a much more official answer
[06-Apr-2007 17:55:01] <b_52Centos> if a routeur use a htp athentification what are the parameter thgat should be changed in the Zpropreties ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:55:53] <N[]VA> how would you setup that monitoring?
[06-Apr-2007 17:57:27] <creiht> b_52Centos: Using the nagious http monitor?
[06-Apr-2007 17:57:32] <creiht> or just doing the normal monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 17:58:11] <b_52Centos> creiht, no i just want to setup normal roueur monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 17:58:15] <b_52Centos> why nagios ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:58:33] <b_52Centos> i mean i am interested in network activity
[06-Apr-2007 17:58:43] <creiht> b_52Centos: Well you shouldn't have to set up any passwords then if you are using snmp
[06-Apr-2007 17:58:43] <b_52Centos> of the routeur of course:
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:05] <b_52Centos> hm
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:30] <creiht> b_52Centos: You will have to put the community string in zenoss that the router is set up with
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:35] * b_52Centos feel stupid and want to throw him self from the window
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:46] <creiht> and make sure that the router exposes snmp to the monitoring server
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:47] <b_52Centos> creiht, hm ok
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:47] <creiht> heh
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:50] <creiht> no worries
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:54] <b_52Centos> :d
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:59] <creiht> We all do that from time to time
[06-Apr-2007 18:00:29] <b_52Centos> the "time to time" duration is different from a person to another :d
[06-Apr-2007 18:02:55] <b_52Centos> community string = public right ?
[06-Apr-2007 18:03:25] <creiht> b_52Centos: If that is what is set up on the router... that is usually the default though
[06-Apr-2007 18:03:31] <creiht> Most people change it though
[06-Apr-2007 18:04:02] <N[]VA> creiht: routeur
[06-Apr-2007 18:04:04] <N[]VA> ?
[06-Apr-2007 18:04:22] <b_52Centos> Read Community:public Read Community:private
[06-Apr-2007 18:04:36] <b_52Centos> N[]VA, in french :d
[06-Apr-2007 18:04:45] <N[]VA> ah ok
[06-Apr-2007 18:04:47] <N[]VA> =]
[06-Apr-2007 18:04:53] <N[]VA> down in South Africa here
[06-Apr-2007 18:05:03] <b_52Centos> ?
[06-Apr-2007 18:05:14] <N[]VA> as in we dont speak fench
[06-Apr-2007 18:05:26] <b_52Centos> N[]VA, yu lucky ....
[06-Apr-2007 18:05:30] <b_52Centos> .....
[06-Apr-2007 18:05:35] <b_52Centos> yu're
[06-Apr-2007 18:06:09] <b_52Centos> N[]VA, yu live in SA ?
[06-Apr-2007 18:06:38] <N[]VA> cause it rox
[06-Apr-2007 18:06:42] <N[]VA> and I live here
[06-Apr-2007 18:06:44] <N[]VA> and why not
[06-Apr-2007 18:06:47] <N[]VA> Cape town
[06-Apr-2007 18:06:55] <b_52Centos> hm nice
[06-Apr-2007 18:07:17] * b_52Centos would like to visit S.A
[06-Apr-2007 18:07:39] <WolfeWLU> Does RRD have trouble storing values < 0?
[06-Apr-2007 18:07:57] <WolfeWLU> Er...< 1
[06-Apr-2007 18:08:16] <N[]VA> ah its great
[06-Apr-2007 18:08:57] * b_52Centos <-- morocco
[06-Apr-2007 18:11:28] <b_52Centos> ERROR zen.ApplyDataMap plugin zenoss.cmd.linux.ifconfig device tracteur
[06-Apr-2007 18:11:47] <N[]VA> http://static.flickr.com/100/270591985_4d4050bbbb_o.jpg
[06-Apr-2007 18:11:47] <b_52Centos> zenoss don't like my ifconfig
[06-Apr-2007 18:11:47] <N[]VA> wake up to that and then tell me it doesnt rock
[06-Apr-2007 18:12:32] <b_52Centos> N[]VA, the color of the sea! is wonderfull !
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[06-Apr-2007 18:13:05] <N[]VA> also cold
[06-Apr-2007 18:13:07] <N[]VA> =\
[06-Apr-2007 18:13:11] <N[]VA> lol yea but its kewl
[06-Apr-2007 18:13:13] <N[]VA> any how
[06-Apr-2007 18:13:14] <b_52Centos> haha "D
[06-Apr-2007 18:13:16] <N[]VA> web page monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 18:13:36] <N[]VA> any current solution better than the nagios plugin?
[06-Apr-2007 18:14:22] <N[]VA> these socket times outs are spamming my mailbox
[06-Apr-2007 18:18:43] <creiht> N[]VA: Did you need to have it actually do an HTTP GET, or do you just need to make sure something is running on that port?
[06-Apr-2007 18:19:05] <creiht> Or do you just need to make sure apache is running?
[06-Apr-2007 18:19:06] <N[]VA> not port monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 18:19:12] <N[]VA> need to get a web page
[06-Apr-2007 18:19:25] <N[]VA> and search for regxp
[06-Apr-2007 18:19:32] <N[]VA> such as "Working"
[06-Apr-2007 18:19:43] <creiht> gotcha
[06-Apr-2007 18:20:08] <creiht> As far as I know, that is all that is available at the moment, until the next release, which appears to be in about a month
[06-Apr-2007 18:20:14] <creiht> I would ask on the mailing list just to be sure
[06-Apr-2007 18:25:09] <WolfeWLU> Is there an equivalent to $devname for ip addresses?
[06-Apr-2007 18:25:17] <WolfeWLU> $ipAddress?
[06-Apr-2007 18:26:08] <creiht> WolfeWLU: my bet is $ip
[06-Apr-2007 18:27:08] <WolfeWLU> creiht: Is the a place on the wiki where you can post awk post-processing strings to make Nagios plugins compliant?
[06-Apr-2007 18:27:21] <WolfeWLU> Figure might as well save someone else the headache.
[06-Apr-2007 18:29:10] <creiht> WolfeWLU: Perhaps add to this page? http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate
[06-Apr-2007 18:29:10] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToNagiosCreateTemplate - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[06-Apr-2007 18:30:57] <WolfeWLU> creight: Hmm...no dice on $ip or $ipAddress
[06-Apr-2007 18:33:26] <WolfeWLU> ${dev/manageIp}
[06-Apr-2007 18:33:28] <WolfeWLU> That works.
[06-Apr-2007 18:33:39] <creiht> ahh cool
[06-Apr-2007 18:34:09] <WolfeWLU> /usr/local/zenoss/libexec/check_ping -H ${dev/manageIp} -w 100.0,20% -c 500.0,60% -p 5 | awk '{ print gensub(/(PING \[A-Z]+)* - Packet loss = ([.0-9]+)%, RTA = ([.0-9]+) ms/, "\\1|packetloss=\\2 RTA=\\3", 1)}'
[06-Apr-2007 18:34:25] <WolfeWLU> That'll get you packet loss and round trip time if you're interested. :-)
[06-Apr-2007 18:34:39] <creiht> Ahh cool... So you were the one asking that on the Forums?
[06-Apr-2007 18:34:58] <WolfeWLU> No...just bugging people here.
[06-Apr-2007 18:35:03] <creiht> or at least there was someone asking the same thing on the mailing list
[06-Apr-2007 18:35:07] <WolfeWLU> I saw that post though...used that to figure out the format it wanted.
[06-Apr-2007 18:35:09] <WolfeWLU> ;-)
[06-Apr-2007 18:35:19] <creiht> hehe
[06-Apr-2007 18:35:27] <creiht> I would definately add that to the wiki somewhere
[06-Apr-2007 18:36:47] <WolfeWLU> creight: Hmm...how does one get a Trac account for editing?
[06-Apr-2007 18:37:16] <creiht> WolfeWLU: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToAddTicket
[06-Apr-2007 18:37:16] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToAddTicket - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[06-Apr-2007 18:37:17] <creiht> Should also let you add to the wiki I think,
[06-Apr-2007 18:37:25] <creiht> Otherwise email it to the list, and someone should be able to add it from there
[06-Apr-2007 18:38:30] <WolfeWLU> Hmm...no dice. OK. I'll send a link once I write it up on my blog.
[06-Apr-2007 18:38:48] <WolfeWLU> Putting together a long article explaining how to understand template application and use Nagios plugins.
[06-Apr-2007 18:39:11] <creiht> cool
[06-Apr-2007 18:40:20] <WolfeWLU> creight: Thanks for you help. :-) Have a great weekend.
[06-Apr-2007 18:40:25] <creiht> You too man
[06-Apr-2007 18:41:02] <creiht> I'm out as well... Everyone have a great weekend
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[08-Apr-2007 08:05:13] <N[]VA> any of the zenoss devs ever here?
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[08-Apr-2007 16:10:06] <Igbothom_3rd> N[]VA, this is a long weekend, remember, maybe they have lives
[08-Apr-2007 16:10:34] <N[]VA> I was talking generaly
[08-Apr-2007 16:14:21] <bzed> having a live it totally overrated
[08-Apr-2007 16:21:00] <N[]VA> well im at work
[08-Apr-2007 16:21:02] <N[]VA> so yea
[08-Apr-2007 16:21:03] <N[]VA> I agree
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[08-Apr-2007 16:33:38] <Igbothom_3rd> I agree - I worked Fri and Sat and probbly at least half of today, and I did a bit yesterday, too
[08-Apr-2007 16:34:32] <Igbothom_3rd> I wouldn't mind seeing one or two on here, as I'm having issues getting zenwin working
[08-Apr-2007 16:34:53] <Igbothom_3rd> and the docs are, well, lacking
[08-Apr-2007 16:35:11] <Igbothom_3rd> (and I'm MORE than happy to help out with the documentation once I get it working)
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[08-Apr-2007 18:37:43] <cblack0> is there a way to load a MIB from the web interface?
[08-Apr-2007 18:37:50] <cblack0> I see an add for subdir
[08-Apr-2007 18:44:59] <Igbothom_3rd> I just need to get zemwin working
[08-Apr-2007 18:45:05] <Igbothom_3rd> zemwin?
[08-Apr-2007 18:45:10] <Igbothom_3rd> that's a new one!
[08-Apr-2007 18:51:59] <cblack0> there is a wiki article about it
[08-Apr-2007 18:52:27] <cblack0> I've never messed w/ it myself
[08-Apr-2007 18:52:54] <Igbothom_3rd> the wiki article seems not to be enough information to get this working, though
[08-Apr-2007 18:53:21] <Igbothom_3rd> (as most of the client sites we want to monitor run Windows boxes, this is the tool we need)
[08-Apr-2007 19:04:53] <cblack0> you could also try installing the free version of snmp informant on your windows boxes
[08-Apr-2007 19:05:17] <cblack0> another admin in our organization is the one who setup zenoss and set it to monitor win hosts so I can't be too much help I'm afraid
[08-Apr-2007 19:12:53] <Igbothom_3rd> I tried the snmp-informant app, but there's no info on what community names and so on are needed, so all I got was "no snmp found on w2k3server" in Zenoss
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[09-Apr-2007 06:13:40] <chairuou> hello
[09-Apr-2007 06:14:33] <chairuou> I am start install.sh and got message : bad interpreter.: Permission denied
[09-Apr-2007 06:14:48] <chairuou> my linux is Slackware 11.0 (upgrade) from 10.2
[09-Apr-2007 06:15:04] <chairuou> MySQL, Python is out of the box
[09-Apr-2007 06:30:56] <bzed> try bash install.sh
[09-Apr-2007 06:31:04] <bzed> the shebangs are broken everywhere :\
[09-Apr-2007 06:31:30] <bzed> well.. not really broken, but the extra space in there doesn't make them better
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[09-Apr-2007 09:10:02] <jp10558> hey, I'm progressing with help from my Linux people, I again seem to have ZenWin working - how does winexe work, and where are the variables documented?
[09-Apr-2007 09:10:35] <jp10558> I've tried /opt/zenoss/bin/winexe -U "${dev/zWinUser}%${dev/zWinPassword}" //${dev/manageIp} "net start OCS INVENTORY SERVICE"
[09-Apr-2007 09:11:00] <jp10558> as an example service that I've stopped on a test machine. I'm just trying to run this command manually from the manage tab
[09-Apr-2007 09:11:29] <jp10558> but I get an error
[09-Apr-2007 09:11:30] <jp10558> ERROR: Cannot open control pipe - NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[09-Apr-2007 09:11:44] <jp10558> Which I suppose means it's not getting the right domain
[09-Apr-2007 09:11:49] <jp10558> \user
[09-Apr-2007 09:12:17] <jp10558> or it's not getting the right password, but the zenwin entries have the right u/name + Password for monitoring windows services
[09-Apr-2007 09:12:33] <jp10558> SO I wonder If the forum search turned up the wrong variables for me to use?
[09-Apr-2007 09:13:18] <chet> jp10558: Best way to test would be to echo the string to a file and see what shows up. Then you'd know.
[09-Apr-2007 09:14:21] <jp10558> Wait, there's going to be another issue - net start OCS INVENTORY SERVICE fails at the command line on windows, but if I put in quotes like net start "OCS INVENTORY SERVICE", then the command returns a use
[09-Apr-2007 09:31:16] <jp10558> Ok, it actually prints out the command. Is there a list of what variables there are anywhere?
[09-Apr-2007 09:34:38] <jp10558> Ok I figured it out
[09-Apr-2007 09:34:57] <jp10558> I hadn't re-set the password for Windows machines after reisntall... stupid me
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[09-Apr-2007 09:54:52] <jp10558> Ok, now I'm trying to set a command to run on an event
[09-Apr-2007 09:55:23] <jp10558> Specifically if a windows service is down, I want to restart it. I'm being simple here, and in the command specifing the service like above
[09-Apr-2007 09:56:04] <jp10558> I've got an event filter:
[09-Apr-2007 09:56:05] <jp10558> (eventClass like '%|/Status%') and (summary like '%''OCS INVENTORY'' is down%')
[09-Apr-2007 09:56:20] <jp10558> which is pulled from the summary in the actual event field.
[09-Apr-2007 09:56:40] <jp10558> is there a better way to do this? Any ideas why this doesn't match? I wonder if it's because it's actually /status/winservice
[09-Apr-2007 09:56:47] <jp10558> for the eventClass
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[09-Apr-2007 10:40:36] <jp10558> Ok, I've sort of figured this out so great!
[09-Apr-2007 10:40:55] <jp10558> no idea why Like wasn't matching partial strings, but using the exact match worked so for today, that's enough
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[09-Apr-2007 10:49:24] <dan__t> Wow, rad, Cacti didn't alert me when a machine died on Friday night.
[09-Apr-2007 10:49:37] <dan__t> One more reason as to why I'm so looking forward to my Zenoss switchover.
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[09-Apr-2007 12:20:23] <jreese> anyone seen this before: "TypeError: Can't pickle objects in acquisition wrappers."
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[09-Apr-2007 12:53:08] <jreese> seems to happen when i remove an IIS site :/
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[09-Apr-2007 13:37:08] <dan__t> beh
[09-Apr-2007 13:37:23] <dan__t> is there a dashboard-like view where I can group graphed items and get a good visual picture as to how things are doing?
[09-Apr-2007 13:37:31] <dan__t> Bandwidth, disk, ping latency etc etc.
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[09-Apr-2007 14:02:32] <dan__t> Anyone want to help me troubleshoot the sending of mail for notifications and such?
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[09-Apr-2007 14:32:13] <Gamekiller77> Good afternoon all I am having some problems with installed zenoss on a ubuntu install
[09-Apr-2007 14:33:41] <dan__t> What kind of problems?
[09-Apr-2007 14:33:59] <Gamekiller77> let me rerun the install.sh
[09-Apr-2007 14:34:07] <Gamekiller77> i post up the error line in a sec
[09-Apr-2007 14:34:19] <Gamekiller77> it saying it missing like setupadmin something
[09-Apr-2007 14:34:29] <Gamekiller77> setup something i need to get it
[09-Apr-2007 14:34:47] <Gamekiller77> i did a make clean so it was cleaned out give me a sec
[09-Apr-2007 14:35:49] <Gamekiller77> installing zc.queue
[09-Apr-2007 14:35:49] <Gamekiller77> make: *** [zc.queue-install] Error 1
[09-Apr-2007 14:35:49] <Gamekiller77> unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log
[09-Apr-2007 14:35:59] <Gamekiller77> that is the last line in the install.sh out put
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:14] <dan__t> Why not use a .deb for installation?
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:35] <Gamekiller77> running install_data
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:35] <Gamekiller77> Traceback (most recent call last):
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:35] <Gamekiller77> File "setup.py", line 1, in ?
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:35] <Gamekiller77> from setuptools import setup
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:35] <Gamekiller77> ImportError: No module named setuptools
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:37] <Gamekiller77> there one
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:45] <Gamekiller77> from what i seen on the website it telling me there is not one
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[09-Apr-2007 14:38:36] <Gamekiller77> i was following the seteps on the zenoss web site now if there is a .deb i just need to know where it is so i can get it
[09-Apr-2007 14:41:08] <dan__t> pastebin the log or something, the errors that you are pasting don't mean a whole lot.
[09-Apr-2007 14:41:51] <Gamekiller77> that what i thought
[09-Apr-2007 14:41:54] <Gamekiller77> how much do you need
[09-Apr-2007 14:42:26] <dan__t> like all of it?
[09-Apr-2007 14:42:41] <Gamekiller77> were should i post it
[09-Apr-2007 14:42:50] <Gamekiller77> as it super big
[09-Apr-2007 14:43:32] <creiht> Gamekiller77: Try paste.lisp.org
[09-Apr-2007 14:43:44] <Gamekiller77> ok thanks
[09-Apr-2007 14:43:47] <creiht> Gamekiller77: And there are no .debs yet, but someone has been working on it
[09-Apr-2007 14:43:55] <Gamekiller77> ok good
[09-Apr-2007 14:44:29] <Gamekiller77> i just took over this job for IT at my university and they have logging so i want to use zoness for snmp
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[09-Apr-2007 14:47:25] <nsanity> Has anyone managed to get the RPM to install on RHEL4/x86_64
[09-Apr-2007 14:47:45] <dan__t> Not on x86_64, but under CentOS, yes.
[09-Apr-2007 14:47:54] <dan__t> I can't get mail notifications to work, and it's got me quite bummed.
[09-Apr-2007 14:49:02] <creiht> dan__t: What part isn't working?
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[09-Apr-2007 14:51:27] <Gamekiller77> what is the easest way to copy the log file in a putty or ssh to the website
[09-Apr-2007 14:52:43] <creiht> Gamekiller77: The main part will be the tail end where you see an error message, most likely with a trace back, and a few lines before it so we can see what was going on
[09-Apr-2007 14:52:53] <creiht> I thought you could copy and paste from putty
[09-Apr-2007 14:53:03] <Gamekiller77> you can
[09-Apr-2007 14:53:06] <creiht> But then again it has been a while since I have been in the Windows world
[09-Apr-2007 14:53:08] <Gamekiller77> but it like a mile long log file
[09-Apr-2007 14:53:16] <creiht> Try just the end first
[09-Apr-2007 14:53:21] <creiht> With the error message
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[09-Apr-2007 14:53:25] <Gamekiller77> sorry yah we are windows house moving over to linux
[09-Apr-2007 14:53:26] <creiht> If you can't get the whole thing
[09-Apr-2007 14:54:04] <dan__t> creiht, as I understand it, I set up an Alerting Rule for my user account, set a name, email, production state, severity, event state, and enable it - and I'm testing it by killing snmpd on a client machine.
[09-Apr-2007 14:54:18] <dan__t> I see the down host via Dashboard, but I get no mail, and I see no delivery of mail in the logs.
[09-Apr-2007 14:54:19] <nsanity> So, I take it that means that no?
[09-Apr-2007 14:54:30] <creiht> dan__t: Have you tried clicking the test button to make sure an email can be sent ?
[09-Apr-2007 14:54:37] <dan__t> And I don't see anything in the logs under /opt/zenoss/log
[09-Apr-2007 14:54:38] <Gamekiller77> ok so it asking for captcha
[09-Apr-2007 14:54:56] <Gamekiller77> what should i add for that
[09-Apr-2007 14:55:02] <dan__t> I don't have a test button.
[09-Apr-2007 14:55:32] <creiht> dan__t: When you look at the users screen, there is a test link next to the email links
[09-Apr-2007 14:55:42] <creiht> clikc on that test link, and it will send a test email
[09-Apr-2007 14:55:52] <dan__t> ahhh, that one
[09-Apr-2007 14:55:52] <dan__t> brb
[09-Apr-2007 14:56:07] <creiht> Gamekiller77: type in whatever you see written in the graphic
[09-Apr-2007 14:56:18] <dan__t> Yep, that works.
[09-Apr-2007 14:56:30] <Gamekiller77> sorry this is the frist time i used this
[09-Apr-2007 14:56:38] <Gamekiller77> is there a place to have it post a message to here
[09-Apr-2007 14:56:48] <Gamekiller77> o i found it
[09-Apr-2007 14:57:17] <dan__t> And, of course, I did see that in the logs.
[09-Apr-2007 14:58:31] <Gamekiller77> http://paste.lisp.org/display/39472
[09-Apr-2007 14:58:31] <Gamekiller77> there you go
[09-Apr-2007 14:58:31] <Gamekiller77> that is cool i have to remeber about that tool
[09-Apr-2007 14:59:17] <dan__t> Do you have a full python install?
[09-Apr-2007 14:59:25] <Gamekiller77> i thought i did
[09-Apr-2007 14:59:31] <jp10558> Can you add mibs to Zenoss from the web interface?
[09-Apr-2007 15:00:09] <creiht> Gamekiller77: Looks like you don't have setup tools
[09-Apr-2007 15:00:35] <creiht> Is this on debian? or another distro?
[09-Apr-2007 15:00:41] <Gamekiller77> ubuntu
[09-Apr-2007 15:00:47] <Gamekiller77> LAMP server
[09-Apr-2007 15:00:55] <dan__t> creiht, what are your thoughts on this one?
[09-Apr-2007 15:01:33] <dan__t> If any
[09-Apr-2007 15:01:37] <creiht> dan__t: Sorry... .looking at two issues at once... just a sec
[09-Apr-2007 15:01:45] <dan__t> Yep, no worries, thanks for your time.
[09-Apr-2007 15:02:49] <creiht> Gamekiller77: sudat apt-get install python-setuptools
[09-Apr-2007 15:03:17] <Gamekiller77> ok man i will try that
[09-Apr-2007 15:03:23] <creiht> Gamekiller77: err sudo
[09-Apr-2007 15:03:24] <creiht>
[09-Apr-2007 15:03:34] <Gamekiller77> yah i know
[09-Apr-2007 15:03:35] <Gamekiller77> lol
[09-Apr-2007 15:04:04] <creiht> dan__t: The alert is anabled correct? And which log are you watching? alerts will log in zenactions.log
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[09-Apr-2007 15:04:20] <dan__t> The alerts are enabled, yes - I see no alerts in the log, however.
[09-Apr-2007 15:04:49] <creiht> What level of the alert is being generated and what level is you alert set for?
[09-Apr-2007 15:05:11] <creiht> I forget sometimes that all of my alerts are set for error or higher, and some alerts come in as warnings
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[09-Apr-2007 15:06:11] <dan__t> For the sake of testing, I set the severity to debug.
[09-Apr-2007 15:06:49] <creiht> for the email alert rule, or the event in zenoss?
[09-Apr-2007 15:07:30] <Gamekiller77> so fare so good
[09-Apr-2007 15:07:33] <creiht> dan__t: Also make sure zenactions is running
[09-Apr-2007 15:07:43] <creiht> $ZENHOME/bin/zenaction status
[09-Apr-2007 15:08:15] <dan__t> hrm, I get an error when running 'status'
[09-Apr-2007 15:08:27] <creiht> What is the error?
[09-Apr-2007 15:08:42] <dan__t> Its due to $PATH
[09-Apr-2007 15:08:47] <dan__t> but I see the daemon running
[09-Apr-2007 15:08:56] <dan__t> Ok... NOW I get the email
[09-Apr-2007 15:09:02] <creiht> hehe
[09-Apr-2007 15:09:19] <dan__t> Guess I didn't hit the submit button when changing to debug.
[09-Apr-2007 15:09:20] <creiht> Do you have a delay set in the email alert settings?
[09-Apr-2007 15:09:29] <creiht> ahh
[09-Apr-2007 15:10:00] <dan__t> Actually, I know what it was heh
[09-Apr-2007 15:10:10] <dan__t> Production State = Test
[09-Apr-2007 15:10:17] <dan__t> I wanted >= Test
[09-Apr-2007 15:13:36] <Gamekiller77> creiht thanks that looks like it worked. that package you told me isntall should be added to the install steps on the website
[09-Apr-2007 15:13:49] <dan__t> ok, well, that settles that, I guess I'll tinker with it from here.
[09-Apr-2007 15:13:51] <dan__t> Thanks again.
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[09-Apr-2007 15:32:42] <jimmy-james> why would all the events for a Device say "Error reading value for"
[09-Apr-2007 15:32:54] <jimmy-james> i have just added this device, my first device
[09-Apr-2007 15:33:01] <jimmy-james> just slightly confused
[09-Apr-2007 15:34:47] <jp10558> jimmy-james: it means you need to import a MIB for it I think
[09-Apr-2007 15:35:37] <jimmy-james> so its a problem with perms and snmpd ?
[09-Apr-2007 15:43:45] <jp10558> I think it is that the OID's it's getting, it doesn't know what they map to
[09-Apr-2007 15:48:01] <creiht> jimmy-james: Are you by chance monitoring windows machines?
[09-Apr-2007 15:48:18] <jimmy-james> no its a ubuntu machine
[09-Apr-2007 15:48:26] <jimmy-james> i installed the snmpd daemon on it
[09-Apr-2007 15:48:34] <creiht> jimmy-james: Then I would bet that then snmpd.conf isn't set up correctly
[09-Apr-2007 15:48:35] <jimmy-james> but i dont think ive configured it properly or something
[09-Apr-2007 15:49:01] <creiht> jimmy-james: Check out http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[09-Apr-2007 15:49:01] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[09-Apr-2007 15:49:12] <jimmy-james> thank you
[09-Apr-2007 15:49:52] <creiht> jimmy-james: By default the Ubuntu supplied snmpd.conf exposes very little... I would copy your current snmpd.conf to a backup file, and then start from scratch based on that page
[09-Apr-2007 15:49:53] <jp10558> how do you import MIBs?
[09-Apr-2007 16:02:06] <dan__t> Is there a way to "re-fetch" data gathered from a machine via SNMP, say if I update the host's MIB libraries and snmpd, to return more information?
[09-Apr-2007 16:02:10] <dan__t> LIke a re-initialization I guess
[09-Apr-2007 16:02:28] <creiht> dan__t: Open the device, and go to the manage tab, and then click the Collect button
[09-Apr-2007 16:03:17] <dan__t> haha
[09-Apr-2007 16:03:20] <dan__t> i love this. so much.
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[09-Apr-2007 16:14:06] <hsbzh> plop
[09-Apr-2007 16:15:20] <dan__t> ono
[09-Apr-2007 16:15:33] <hsbzh> is there any package to install on clients servers ?
[09-Apr-2007 16:16:34] <korozion> yes, snmpd
[09-Apr-2007 16:16:53] <korozion> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[09-Apr-2007 16:16:53] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[09-Apr-2007 16:17:25] <hsbzh> yes but not others ?
[09-Apr-2007 16:17:43] <dan__t> What do you need that net-snmpd doesn't have to offer?
[09-Apr-2007 16:18:33] <hsbzh> there is nothing i just want to be sure there is only the snmpd package to install on clients
[09-Apr-2007 16:18:41] <hsbzh> thx
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[09-Apr-2007 16:23:26] <dan__t> So yea I'd still like to have a summary of data, graphs etc etc on my Dashboard.
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[09-Apr-2007 16:23:30] <dan__t> Is that at all possible?
[09-Apr-2007 16:23:42] <dan__t> I want to break down pref data by graph type and stuff.
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[09-Apr-2007 16:31:36] <jimmy-james> what does it mean when ZenModeler tells me no cmd plugins / no portscan plugins found for device
[09-Apr-2007 16:33:21] <Gamekiller77> how long should the install.sh take
[09-Apr-2007 16:35:43] <creiht> dan__t: Anything is possible
[09-Apr-2007 16:35:56] <dan__t> seems so, just so much information to consume right away haha
[09-Apr-2007 16:36:20] <creiht> I don't think there is a mechanism built in to do that, but there is nothing preventing you from customizing it to provide that
[09-Apr-2007 16:36:37] <creiht> jimmy-james: That is normal... It just means that you are not collecting by those methods
[09-Apr-2007 16:36:50] <creiht> Gamekiller77: It can take a little while, there are a lot of packages to install
[09-Apr-2007 16:36:57] <creiht> Or are you geting a lot of ............?
[09-Apr-2007 16:37:24] <Gamekiller77> my ssh timed out
[09-Apr-2007 16:46:45] <Gamekiller77> system hung dang it
[09-Apr-2007 16:54:23] <Gamekiller77> dang my whole system hung
[09-Apr-2007 16:54:39] <Gamekiller77> i started over on the machine locally not over ssh see if that works
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[09-Apr-2007 17:17:10] <Gamekiller77> hmm it crashing on me now
[09-Apr-2007 17:17:26] <Gamekiller77> my whole server gos down
[09-Apr-2007 17:17:28] <Gamekiller77> hard
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[09-Apr-2007 18:08:34] <pyronicide> is it possible to give zenwin a non-admin account?
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[09-Apr-2007 18:38:10] <Gamekiller77> dude this sucks my whole system crashs ever time i run the install.sh
[09-Apr-2007 18:38:48] <creiht> Gamekiller77: That is really weird.... Is it running out of disk space? What part does it crash?
[09-Apr-2007 18:39:22] <Gamekiller77> let me look
[09-Apr-2007 18:39:24] <Gamekiller77> hold on
[09-Apr-2007 18:39:29] <Gamekiller77> need to reboot
[09-Apr-2007 18:50:50] <Gamekiller77> it not at the same spot
[09-Apr-2007 18:50:56] <Gamekiller77> so that telling me it system problme
[09-Apr-2007 18:53:24] <bzed> Gamekiller77: are you sure that it crashed, or is it probably just working
[09-Apr-2007 18:53:41] <bzed> it takes about 10 minutes on fast machines
[09-Apr-2007 18:53:51] <Gamekiller77> well i going to keep on eye on it now
[09-Apr-2007 18:53:54] <bzed> and with fast I mean something like an opteron
[09-Apr-2007 18:54:04] <bzed> use top to monitor it for example
[09-Apr-2007 18:54:25] <Gamekiller77> my kvm comes back to me saying no input
[09-Apr-2007 18:55:58] <Gamekiller77> yah this is a small server
[09-Apr-2007 18:56:07] <Gamekiller77> P3 1ghz so it not fast at all
[09-Apr-2007 18:56:20] <Gamekiller77> but i have to say if i try and ssh back in i get errors
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[09-Apr-2007 18:58:32] <Gamekiller77> made it to libpng
[09-Apr-2007 19:06:59] <bzed> Gamekiller77: probably it's out of ram? or out of disk space? or any other errors
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[09-Apr-2007 19:12:13] <Igbothom_3rd> if there's anyone with Zenwin experience here, I'd appreciate some of your time
[09-Apr-2007 19:12:38] <N[]VA> would lvoe to
[09-Apr-2007 19:12:43] <N[]VA> but havent even looked at it
[09-Apr-2007 19:12:44] <N[]VA> =[
[09-Apr-2007 19:16:05] <Igbothom_3rd> yeah, I know
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[09-Apr-2007 19:32:13] <dan__t> Is there a way to have more than one performance and status monitors remotely that sortof talk to eachother, so they can work in sync and acknowledge even numbers of replies from devices?
[09-Apr-2007 19:32:37] <dan__t> Say I want one status monitor in Phoenix, one in Dallas, one in New York etc etc
[09-Apr-2007 19:36:49] <N[]VA> was considering the same thing myself
[09-Apr-2007 19:37:01] <N[]VA> hadn't looked into it though
[09-Apr-2007 19:37:06] <N[]VA> shout in here if you find any thing
[09-Apr-2007 19:37:18] <dan__t> Certainly will.
[09-Apr-2007 19:37:29] <dan__t> I'd be happy with one perf monitor, but I'd like many status monitors.
[09-Apr-2007 19:46:08] <Igbothom_3rd> hi dan__t, you're after the zenraid5 module
[09-Apr-2007 19:46:32] <dan__t> Sure am.
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[09-Apr-2007 20:21:49] <dan__t> How about an option to send out alerts when a device status is acknowledged?
[09-Apr-2007 20:23:47] <dan__t> Ah well, I'll pick back up on this later.
[09-Apr-2007 20:23:50] <dan__t> Thanks for the help, all.
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[09-Apr-2007 21:55:37] <cdillardhsp> howdy zenoss buddies
[09-Apr-2007 22:07:16] <N[]VA> ola
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[09-Apr-2007 22:20:24] <creiht> hrmmm
[09-Apr-2007 22:20:39] <creiht> Has anyone installed fresh from trunk recently?
[09-Apr-2007 22:20:59] <creiht> pokes oubiwann
[09-Apr-2007 22:21:06] <creiht> gently
[09-Apr-2007 22:21:07] <creiht>
[09-Apr-2007 22:21:14] <N[]VA> how recently?
[09-Apr-2007 22:21:36] <creiht> I dunno... Just trying it this evening, and can't seem to get it to install
[09-Apr-2007 22:21:47] <N[]VA> few weeks back
[09-Apr-2007 22:21:52] <N[]VA> like 3 or 4
[09-Apr-2007 22:21:55] <creiht> ahhh
[09-Apr-2007 22:22:06] <creiht> Alot has changed since then I'm sure
[09-Apr-2007 22:22:15] <N[]VA> yea
[09-Apr-2007 22:22:35] <N[]VA> been wondering why there is no IM/jabber/msn alerting optio
[09-Apr-2007 22:22:38] <N[]VA> option
[09-Apr-2007 22:22:51] <N[]VA> busy working on a mail to jabber setup
[09-Apr-2007 22:22:53] <creiht> Probably because nobody has really asked for it yet
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:07] <N[]VA> well its a basic feature in almost all monitoring apps
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:10] <N[]VA>
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:12] <creiht> I would send an email to the mailing list to see what they say
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:18] <N[]VA> and proper web monitoring
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:20] <N[]VA> -[
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:27] <creiht> While that is true, they prioritze by what people request
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:35] <creiht> At least have in the past
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:35] <N[]VA> fair enough
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:44] <N[]VA> I have a list im workiong
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:46] <N[]VA> working*
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:47] <creiht> They have a lot to do
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:49] <creiht> hehe
[09-Apr-2007 22:24:05] <creiht> Look at it another way
[09-Apr-2007 22:24:16] <creiht> They provide a lot of things that most other systems don't out of the box
[09-Apr-2007 22:24:39] <cdillardhsp> N[]VA: what do you mean by 'proper web monitoring'?
[09-Apr-2007 22:24:41] <N[]VA> such as?
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:07] <N[]VA> well atm the examples i have found for monitoring websites using regex are witha nagious plugin
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:12] <creiht> sane set of monitoring templates to put devices in
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:24] <N[]VA> issue I have found is that whilst monitoring say a few 100 sites
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:28] <N[]VA> i get socket time outs non stop
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:30] <creiht> built in configuration management
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:42] <N[]VA> right you are there creiht
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:49] <N[]VA> the templates are kewl
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:53] <creiht> N[]VA: And I told you they are working on a better solution for that
[09-Apr-2007 22:26:03] <N[]VA> yea i know they are
[09-Apr-2007 22:26:03] <N[]VA> =]
[09-Apr-2007 22:26:09] <N[]VA> just waiting atm
[09-Apr-2007 22:26:49] <creiht> And besides... It's a network monitoring system, not just a web monitoring system
[09-Apr-2007 22:27:00] <N[]VA> granted
[09-Apr-2007 22:27:18] <N[]VA> I work for a commercial isp so monitoring sites is important to us
[09-Apr-2007 22:27:19] <N[]VA> =]
[09-Apr-2007 22:27:30] <N[]VA> checking various services like that
[09-Apr-2007 22:27:49] <N[]VA> maybe you can help with this one
[09-Apr-2007 22:27:51] <N[]VA> flap detection
[09-Apr-2007 22:28:02] <N[]VA> havent figured that out yet
[09-Apr-2007 22:28:33] <N[]VA> getting loads of mail for one time out
[09-Apr-2007 22:28:52] <creiht> N[]VA: There are two things you can do
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[09-Apr-2007 22:28:57] <N[]VA> whilst idealy id like to only get a mail after its been down say 3 times in a row
[09-Apr-2007 22:28:59] <N[]VA> yea?
[09-Apr-2007 22:29:21] <creiht> 1. Is set a delay for the alert, so that the event has to have happened for say 5 minutes (or whatever you want) before it emails you
[09-Apr-2007 22:30:13] <creiht> 2. When setting up the service that is monitoring, you can set an initial event status that is lower than what you send out email alerts for
[09-Apr-2007 22:30:19] <creiht> say warning instead of error
[09-Apr-2007 22:30:51] <creiht> And you can set an escalation count that sets the number of times it has to record the event, and it will bump up the status
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:01] <creiht> In this case from warning to error, and thus alert you
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:04] <N[]VA> ok
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:13] <N[]VA> can you clarify on that 1
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:31] <N[]VA> so if I set it to say warining, alert on error
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:36] <N[]VA> and set escalation to 4
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:38] <creiht> Unfortunately I am at home and don't have a Zenoss install right in front of me
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:43] <creiht> yes
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:50] <N[]VA> it would have to happen 4 times before it hits error?
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:53] <creiht> yes
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:57] <creiht> and 4 times in a row
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:01] <N[]VA> ok
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:05] <creiht> not just 4 random times
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:05] <N[]VA> thats prefect then
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:29] <creiht> It works very well... I use it all the time
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:37] <N[]VA> thanks for that
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:37] <N[]VA> =]
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:40] <creiht> np
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:49] <creiht> And I totally understand the web monitoring thing
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:59] <creiht> I've been poking them for a while for it
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:59] <N[]VA> yea
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:12] <creiht> That is a bit of a complicated piece
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:16] <creiht> I'm sure
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:20] <N[]VA> I had to do a custom setup in zabbix for it aswell
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:28] <N[]VA> well yes and no
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:30] <N[]VA> dapending
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:33] <creiht> hehe
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:42] <creiht> Well what they are doing is a bit complicated
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:44] <N[]VA> havent even begun to look into the backend of zenoss
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:03] <creiht> In my opinion, that is why they released the nagios plugins to satisfy some basic needs
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:12] <N[]VA> dont have that kinda time these days
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:13] <creiht> until they could get the better version release
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:15] <N[]VA> yea
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:27] <N[]VA> only problem I ahd was after hitting X ammount of checks
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:29] <creiht> again... I don't speak officially for zenoss
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:32] <N[]VA> they all get socket timeouts
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:35] <creiht> right
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:47] <creiht> And they may be able to address that issue actually
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:48] <N[]VA> then again im hitting a few hundred
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:54] <creiht> You may just be the first one hitting that hard
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:57] <_chris_> what're the issues?
[09-Apr-2007 22:35:15] <creiht> N[]VA: You should post the issue to the forums
[09-Apr-2007 22:35:27] <N[]VA> yea like I said have a small list that growing
[09-Apr-2007 22:35:45] <N[]VA> need to clean up my examples and explinations
[09-Apr-2007 22:35:51] <N[]VA> just cant atm
[09-Apr-2007 22:35:56] <_chris_> N[]VA: no worries....
[09-Apr-2007 22:35:57] <creiht> ok
[09-Apr-2007 22:36:00] <N[]VA> have another project first
[09-Apr-2007 22:36:00] <N[]VA>
[09-Apr-2007 22:36:05] <N[]VA> then zenoss
[09-Apr-2007 22:36:09] <_chris_> if you can summarize 'em and post 'em we can take a look at 'em
[09-Apr-2007 22:36:40] <creiht> _chris_: Are you the same Chris I met at pycon?
[09-Apr-2007 22:36:48] <N[]VA> hopefuly things should calm down soonish and I can get more involved
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:25] <_chris_> yup
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:28] <creiht> hehe
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:28] <_chris_> how're you creiht?
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:31] <N[]VA> the jabber/icq/msn side of things is actualy fairly easy to implament
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:32] <creiht> good
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:52] <N[]VA> well I say that in relation to every other monitoring system iv played with
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:52] <_chris_> me too
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:53] <N[]VA> =]
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:58] <_chris_> just wrapping up my income tax return
[09-Apr-2007 22:38:03] <creiht> I was trying to install from trunk tonight on my home computer and am having some problems
[09-Apr-2007 22:38:07] <creiht> fun
[09-Apr-2007 22:38:08] <creiht>
[09-Apr-2007 22:38:25] <_chris_> creiht: what kind of problem?
[09-Apr-2007 22:39:14] <creiht> Most of it installs
[09-Apr-2007 22:39:24] <creiht> And then it tries to setup zenoss inside of zope
[09-Apr-2007 22:39:31] <creiht> I get several errors saying
[09-Apr-2007 22:39:38] <creiht> ERROR:Zope:Couldn't install Five
[09-Apr-2007 22:40:05] <creiht> also this
[09-Apr-2007 22:40:07] <creiht> WARNING:OFS.Application:Duplicate Product name
[09-Apr-2007 22:40:18] <creiht> Right after it creates the events database
[09-Apr-2007 22:40:25] <creiht> This is on Ubuntu dapper
[09-Apr-2007 22:40:27] <_chris_> hmmm weird
[09-Apr-2007 22:40:35] <creiht> That's what I thought
[09-Apr-2007 22:40:57] <N[]VA> I had an issue the first time I installed on edgy
[09-Apr-2007 22:41:06] <N[]VA> with the events db
[09-Apr-2007 22:41:24] <N[]VA> cant rem wth it was
[09-Apr-2007 22:41:43] <creiht> I was wanting to start poking at zenpacks
[09-Apr-2007 22:41:51] <N[]VA> zenpacks?
[09-Apr-2007 22:41:52] <creiht> But I have to get it installed first
[09-Apr-2007 22:41:59] <N[]VA> sorry, fairly new to this
[09-Apr-2007 22:42:08] <N[]VA> or zenoss anyhow
[09-Apr-2007 22:42:16] <creiht> N[]VA: The zenoss plugin mechanism that will be available in the next version
[09-Apr-2007 22:42:26] <N[]VA> kewl
[09-Apr-2007 22:42:32] <N[]VA> oh another nitfy Idea I had, was with VPS's
[09-Apr-2007 22:43:06] <N[]VA> provided you install an agent on the base VPS wouldn't be to hard to auto populate all the VE's
[09-Apr-2007 22:43:22] <creiht> _chris_: btw, I got my new camera lens in right after Pycon, and I love it
[09-Apr-2007 22:43:37] <_chris_> i forget what you were looking for -
[09-Apr-2007 22:43:47] <_chris_> was it the 200mm f2.8?
[09-Apr-2007 22:43:55] <creiht> 18-50mm f2.8
[09-Apr-2007 22:44:15] <_chris_> i'm itching for something down around 18
[09-Apr-2007 22:44:21] <N[]VA> maybe another question you guys can answer
[09-Apr-2007 22:44:34] <_chris_> all i have in that range right now is a 50mm f1.8 (cause i sold my 18-55mm kit lens)
[09-Apr-2007 22:44:35] <creiht> I'm a bit disappointed they never announced the photo winner at pycon
[09-Apr-2007 22:44:40] <_chris_> struggling with it!
[09-Apr-2007 22:44:43] <creiht> heh
[09-Apr-2007 22:44:46] <creiht> yeah I can imagine
[09-Apr-2007 22:45:01] <N[]VA> when it comes to having say zenoss servers that correlate events in order to generate alerts?
[09-Apr-2007 22:45:38] <N[]VA> we have servers spread over two different continents, so situational monitoring would be usefull
[09-Apr-2007 22:45:39] <_chris_> yup... oh well...
[09-Apr-2007 22:45:41] <N[]VA> that doable?
[09-Apr-2007 22:45:48] <_chris_> creiht: what do you do to catalog your pictures?
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:00] <_chris_> N[]VA: what do you mean by event correlation?
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:03] <_chris_> can you elaborate on it?
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:06] <N[]VA> sure
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:13] <N[]VA> say I had a zenoss server in africa
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:15] <N[]VA> and one in the usa
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:19] <N[]VA> where our servers are
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:20] <N[]VA> =]
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:20] <creiht> _chris_, I store them on my HD in a really in-efficient manner
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:35] <N[]VA> can two zenoss servers share info
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:43] <N[]VA> and have alerts based on that info
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:49] <N[]VA> without using a ceneral db
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:59] <creiht> I use google's Picasa, which I like a lot for keeping things somewhat orginized
[09-Apr-2007 22:47:18] <N[]VA> so say I'd want to know if a server is down both from the usa based zenoss and the frican one
[09-Apr-2007 22:47:28] <N[]VA> but not if its down just from one location
[09-Apr-2007 22:47:33] <N[]VA> or "looks" down
[09-Apr-2007 22:47:38] <creiht> And I use Bibble for RAW workflow and post processing
[09-Apr-2007 22:48:07] <creiht> N[]VA: I don't think anything like that is currently available
[09-Apr-2007 22:48:12] <creiht> You can though
[09-Apr-2007 22:48:29] <creiht> Have a poller in say Africa, that would report to the Zenoss installation in America
[09-Apr-2007 22:48:40] <_chris_> N[]VA: ya i don't think we can do that as yet.
[09-Apr-2007 22:48:40] <N[]VA> yea had considered that
[09-Apr-2007 22:49:01] <creiht> The web interface would be on the box in America
[09-Apr-2007 22:49:06] <_chris_> creiht: i've got about 60GB of digital pictures so i keep them local and try my best to host them with gallery.
[09-Apr-2007 22:49:12] <_chris_> but that piece of crap is always broken
[09-Apr-2007 22:49:15] <creiht> haha
[09-Apr-2007 22:49:25] <creiht> Well I do put most of my pics on flickr as well
[09-Apr-2007 22:49:42] <N[]VA> other wise what I had considered was using two isolated ones, and pulling the data to one db, then generating reports directly from that
[09-Apr-2007 22:50:41] <N[]VA> in my case it would be the other way round
[09-Apr-2007 22:50:42] <N[]VA>
[09-Apr-2007 22:50:47] <creiht> _chris_, I used to run gallery, but it became such a pain
[09-Apr-2007 22:50:47] <N[]VA> as we are in africa
[09-Apr-2007 22:50:50] <creiht> hehe
[09-Apr-2007 22:50:55] <creiht> well yeah
[09-Apr-2007 22:51:42] <N[]VA> bbn
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[10-Apr-2007 00:36:36] <Igbothom_3rd> for fans of the goatse man - an iPod skin...
[10-Apr-2007 00:36:44] <Igbothom_3rd> http://www.extraneo.it/goatse/detail_01.htm
[10-Apr-2007 00:36:44] <adytum-bot> Title: iGoatse. the new skin for your iPod - Front (at www.extraneo.it)
[10-Apr-2007 00:54:07] <cdillardhsp> does anyone have a link to where information on escalation and service severity can be found?
[10-Apr-2007 01:15:40] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Genshi Templates in Nevow - 26 Mar, 02:04AM
[10-Apr-2007 01:15:41] -adytum-bot- http://www.advogato.org/person/oubiwann/diary.html?start=137
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[10-Apr-2007 03:54:52] <Igbothom_3rd> http://www.science.uwa.edu.au/for/alumni/alumni <-- notice anything "interesting" aboot 1/3 of the way down the form?
[10-Apr-2007 03:54:52] <adytum-bot> Title: Faculty of Life and Physical Sciences - Update (at www.science.uwa.edu.au)
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[10-Apr-2007 04:35:46] <Snake-Eyes> lol other
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[10-Apr-2007 07:59:06] <korozion> upon starting zenoss, I get errors saying the use zenoss isn't allowed to sudo, however I have the line 'zenoss monitor = NOPASSWD: /usr/local/zenoss/bin/*,/bin/kill` in my sudo file
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[10-Apr-2007 08:07:09] <mikl> ls
[10-Apr-2007 08:07:17] <korozion> df
[10-Apr-2007 08:07:24] <mikl> oops...
[10-Apr-2007 08:07:37] <korozion>
[10-Apr-2007 08:07:41] <mikl> well, I meant to ask - does Zenoss use SNMP v3?
[10-Apr-2007 08:08:18] <korozion> I know the docs talk about 2
[10-Apr-2007 08:08:23] <korozion> but I'm not sure if it can use 3
[10-Apr-2007 08:09:13] <mikl> mmkay, I think I'll play it safe...
[10-Apr-2007 08:09:40] <korozion> can't hurt
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[10-Apr-2007 10:20:00] <jp10558> mikl: currently Zenoss only does 1 and 2, but in v2 due out in a month, it should support SNMPv3
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[10-Apr-2007 10:47:22] <chet> jp10558: I think 1.2 might be coming out in a month. At that point the trunk will probably become 2.0.
[10-Apr-2007 10:47:27] <chet> Who knows when 2.0 will be out.
[10-Apr-2007 10:47:43] <creiht> chet: I was under the impression that 1.2 is going to be 2.0
[10-Apr-2007 10:47:53] <chet> Oh.. that makes sense. =}
[10-Apr-2007 10:47:56] <creiht> Last I heard it will beta this month
[10-Apr-2007 10:48:17] <chet> creiht: Are you running trunk?
[10-Apr-2007 10:48:17] <creiht> At least that is what they are shotting for
[10-Apr-2007 10:48:25] <creiht> Not in production
[10-Apr-2007 10:48:55] * b52laptop drop a 'hello ' to creiht
[10-Apr-2007 10:49:15] <creiht> I tried installing trunk last night to start poking at Zenpacks, but ran into a problem, so I'm going to try again tonight
[10-Apr-2007 10:49:21] <creiht> b52laptop: howdy
[10-Apr-2007 10:49:42] <chet> creiht: I'm running on the trunk, and there are still a lot of "issues"
[10-Apr-2007 10:49:52] <chet> creiht: The pynetsnmp support seems very flaky.
[10-Apr-2007 10:50:23] <creiht> hrmm
[10-Apr-2007 10:50:24] <b52laptop> creiht, fine , installing Oracle ... , so i'm a little bit angry ; how are yu doing ?
[10-Apr-2007 10:50:58] <creiht> b52laptop: Very good... Just trying to get going this morning
[10-Apr-2007 10:51:19] <b52laptop> creiht, hhhh ok :d
[10-Apr-2007 10:51:34] <creiht> chet: In what ways is it flakey? And have you reported the issues to the devs?
[10-Apr-2007 10:51:53] <creiht> I wasn't planning on playing with the pynetsnmp stuff yet
[10-Apr-2007 10:53:48] <chet> I haven't had a chance to report it yet. One example would be that the SNMP DataCollector stuff just seems to miss OIDs occasionally. An SNMP walk shows the whole tree, but some values never show up in the map.
[10-Apr-2007 10:54:23] <creiht> That is odd... Hopefully they will have that all flushed out before the release
[10-Apr-2007 10:55:05] <chet> I'm sure they will. Although I'm not too concerned since the performance wasn't noticeable different.
[10-Apr-2007 10:56:13] <creiht> perfromance in snmp collection?
[10-Apr-2007 11:00:19] <chet> right
[10-Apr-2007 11:05:10] <jp10558> I'm just so happy that I've finally got ZenWin working with Zenoss 1.1.1
[10-Apr-2007 11:05:26] <jp10558> and winexe the whole 9 yards + e-mails!
[10-Apr-2007 11:05:58] <jp10558> But I hope with 2, they can get the RPMs to work better with SL4/5 or at least RHEL4/5 so you don't have to do source installs to get stuff working
[10-Apr-2007 11:08:21] <korozion> you could use checkconfig to build an RPM
[10-Apr-2007 11:09:49] <jp10558> One question, does Zenoss need Write SNMP permissions for switches to poll them?
[10-Apr-2007 11:10:17] <jp10558> I tried with public restricted write on an HP switch, and it wouldn't add it, but once I created another unrestricted community, it worked fine ... ?
[10-Apr-2007 11:10:18] <creiht> jp10558: No... just read
[10-Apr-2007 11:10:56] <creiht> hmm.. I would expect that it only needs read perms
[10-Apr-2007 11:11:17] <jp10558> If I drop in a MIB, and add it - does it get automatically applied with the proper devices, or do I need to link it somehow
[10-Apr-2007 11:11:51] <creiht> jp10558: I haven't done that yet, but I believe that there is a little extra linking required
[10-Apr-2007 11:12:55] <creiht> jp10558: According to this:
[10-Apr-2007 11:13:10] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/FAQ#WhatdoIdowithMIBsoncetheyareloaded
[10-Apr-2007 11:13:10] <adytum-bot> Title: FAQ - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[10-Apr-2007 11:13:10] <creiht> MIBs are only used for zen traps at the moment
[10-Apr-2007 11:14:27] <creiht> jp10558: That's if you are using zenmib to import mibs
[10-Apr-2007 11:16:02] <creiht> I think you can create another template that monitors a different mibs
[10-Apr-2007 11:16:19] <jp10558> So, I'm a little confused, if I import a MIB, will it at least (hopefully) turn an unknown OID number into a human readable string?
[10-Apr-2007 11:17:24] <creiht> jp10558: I don't know sorry... I haven't done much in that area... hopefully someone else here can help you with that
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[10-Apr-2007 11:49:18] <jp10558> Anyone here know much about mapping MIBs?
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[10-Apr-2007 12:53:00] <dan__t> 'morning
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[10-Apr-2007 14:08:13] <chet> jp10558: Zenoss doesn't need or use SNMP write access for anything.
[10-Apr-2007 14:09:09] <chet> jp10558: The only thing Zenoss uses MIBs for is converting trap OIDs received through zentrap into their human readable counterparts.
[10-Apr-2007 14:40:44] <jp10558> chet: I guess this is a zentrap question then
[10-Apr-2007 14:41:01] <jp10558> so if I get send an OID that's gibberish right now
[10-Apr-2007 14:41:18] <jp10558> and I install a MIB that supposedly for it - then it'll turn the event into a human readable format?
[10-Apr-2007 14:41:48] <jp10558> but adding MIBs won't allow me to graph different functions from a device
[10-Apr-2007 14:49:02] <baffle> Hmm, I see that the installationinstructions I use seems to install from trunk; Is trunk "working"?
[10-Apr-2007 14:50:12] <creiht> baffle: You are probably better off installing the latest release
[10-Apr-2007 14:50:31] <creiht> Unless you want to get your hands dirty
[10-Apr-2007 14:51:29] <baffle> creiht: How dirty? :-)
[10-Apr-2007 14:53:20] <creiht> baffle: Well I tried it last night, and it didn't work
[10-Apr-2007 14:53:44] <creiht> There's a lot of work going on in trunk right now for the next release
[10-Apr-2007 14:54:16] <creiht> baffle: If you are setting up for production use, I would definately encourage using a released version
[10-Apr-2007 14:58:04] <baffle> creiht: Guess I'll do that instead, then.
[10-Apr-2007 14:58:49] <creiht> baffle: If you want to just kick the tires to see what it is like, they also have a VMWare player image that you can download
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[10-Apr-2007 15:04:09] <baffle> creiht: Well, no, I want a working install, that I can use for a little while.
[10-Apr-2007 15:04:20] <baffle> creiht: Hmm, seems the installer doesn
[10-Apr-2007 15:04:32] <baffle> creiht: Hmm, seems the installer doesn't support using a remote mysql server...
[10-Apr-2007 15:07:20] <creiht> hrmm... I know you can change it after an install
[10-Apr-2007 15:08:16] <creiht> I haven't done that before though... so I'm not sure... I could see how the installer would have a hard time with it
[10-Apr-2007 15:08:30] <creiht> You would have the same problem with the trunk install as well
[10-Apr-2007 15:10:15] <creiht> baffle: Actually I though it asked for the host when you do the install
[10-Apr-2007 15:15:59] <baffle> creiht: It did when I installed from trunk, but no 1.1.1.. :-/
[10-Apr-2007 15:16:45] <chet> You can always export MYSQL_HOST="yourhost" before doing the install.
[10-Apr-2007 15:17:43] <chet> You'll need to setup remote mysql root access though, as this is required to create the triggers.
[10-Apr-2007 15:18:36] <baffle> Yeah, I've allready done that..
[10-Apr-2007 15:33:32] <jp10558> should zenoss by default, with the suggested snmpd.conf settings, get graphs for cpu, network etc from a SL4 (very similar to RHEL4) machine?
[10-Apr-2007 15:33:46] <creiht> jp10558: yes
[10-Apr-2007 15:33:47] <jp10558> when made part of the /server/linux/redhat catagory
[10-Apr-2007 15:33:48] <chet> yes
[10-Apr-2007 15:34:24] <jp10558> ok
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[10-Apr-2007 15:40:40] <LordVorp> does the VMWare image come with any plugins available/installed?
[10-Apr-2007 15:41:00] <dan__t> Ok, under /Devices /Server /Linux /PerfConf /Device, I see "DataSources"
[10-Apr-2007 15:41:13] <dan__t> Are these all the AVAILABLE data sources for this device, or just ones part of this template?
[10-Apr-2007 15:41:34] <chet> Ones that are part of the template.
[10-Apr-2007 15:41:52] <dan__t> OK, cool.
[10-Apr-2007 15:41:57] <dan__t> Where can I find a master list of sorts?
[10-Apr-2007 15:42:04] <dan__t> I'm trying to add elements to the template.
[10-Apr-2007 15:42:38] <chet> There's not master list. You make them up based upon the OIDs that are available on your target agent.
[10-Apr-2007 15:42:57] <dan__t> oh, ok.
[10-Apr-2007 15:43:17] <dan__t> Can I use Zenoss to determine which OIDs are available from said device?
[10-Apr-2007 15:43:32] <chet> nope
[10-Apr-2007 15:44:25] <creiht> dan__t: You can use snmpwalk to find what oids are available
[10-Apr-2007 15:44:35] <creiht> Though it will be quite a long list most likely
[10-Apr-2007 15:44:39] <dan__t> Yep.
[10-Apr-2007 15:44:47] <dan__t> That's why I was hoping that there was already a mapping somewhere
[10-Apr-2007 15:44:55] <dan__t> Such as laLoadInt5 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.5.2
[10-Apr-2007 15:44:56] <dan__t> or something
[10-Apr-2007 15:46:44] <jp10558> So how long should I wait for graphs to show up?
[10-Apr-2007 15:47:08] <jp10558> I thought 5 or so minutes based on my Windows experiances, but while SNMP is responding to Zenoss from my SL4 machine
[10-Apr-2007 15:47:12] <dan__t> two cycles, if I read properly.
[10-Apr-2007 15:47:14] <jp10558> it's not filling out any graphs
[10-Apr-2007 15:47:39] <dan__t> first cycle is to see what data is available, second cycle is to actually create graphs, and the third cycle actually starts recording.
[10-Apr-2007 15:47:49] <jp10558> Maybe I'll leave it running till tomorrow morning then
[10-Apr-2007 15:47:53] <jp10558> and hope
[10-Apr-2007 15:48:26] <dan__t> You can also debug witht he logs
[10-Apr-2007 15:49:45] <jp10558> Is ZenSysLog important?
[10-Apr-2007 15:50:14] <chet> Only if you wish to receive events via syslog.
[10-Apr-2007 15:50:18] <dan__t> I don't know, I'm still kindof new.
[10-Apr-2007 15:50:34] <jp10558> mmm ok
[10-Apr-2007 15:50:58] <jp10558> I'm also getting errors in the logs for zenmodeler that say:2007-04-07 03:34:25 WARNING zen.ApplyDataMap: Your hrSWRun table is broken, zenoss can't do process monitoring
[10-Apr-2007 15:51:56] <chet> jp10558: I've seen that error too. It seems to be related to zombie processes running in the target system. They don't have a process name, and it causes the datacollector to error our.
[10-Apr-2007 15:51:58] <chet> error out..
[10-Apr-2007 15:52:24] <jp10558> oh ok
[10-Apr-2007 15:52:34] <jp10558> so nothing much to worry about for the zenoss server then
[10-Apr-2007 15:53:15] <chet> Not really, but it does seem to be a bug that the datacollector should handle better.
[10-Apr-2007 15:53:57] <dan__t> I was *almost* at the option where I could set up an IP service to be monitored. Anyone care to clue me in?
[10-Apr-2007 15:53:59] <jp10558> Hmm, wrt linux, I see 2 rounds of checking my linux machine, but no blank graphs or anyhting. It looks like Windows w/out informant does
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[10-Apr-2007 16:37:35] <dan__t> hrmmmm
[10-Apr-2007 16:37:50] <dan__t> I want to say I found a "bug", but I'm not entirely sure
[10-Apr-2007 16:38:33] <dan__t> I followed these instructions - http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001912.html - and it appears that I have duplicates of every service under IP Services for my devices.
[10-Apr-2007 16:38:37] <dan__t> I don't think its a bug because I configured Z to use two different methods for grabbing information
[10-Apr-2007 16:40:03] <chet> I'm surprised "snmp portscan" works.. could you try "snmp|portscan" and remodel the device?
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[10-Apr-2007 16:51:59] <dan__t> Sure.
[10-Apr-2007 16:53:48] <dan__t> k, no more dupes
[10-Apr-2007 16:54:22] <dan__t> Are you a dev?
[10-Apr-2007 16:56:22] <dan__t> And configuring thresholds? I just saw that... can't find it again
[10-Apr-2007 16:57:36] <baffle> I really want to monitor a server via its hw management agent. The agent speaks SNMP. I guess I have to configure the zenoss-server as the trap reciever; But I also want to poll info from the server..
[10-Apr-2007 16:58:28] <baffle> Should I create a device-class? Right now I see things like /Device/Server/Linux or /Device/Server/Linux/Dell .. Should I sort by OS and then manufacturer?
[10-Apr-2007 17:39:24] <Igbothom_3rd> hhmmm, meant to stay awake a little longer last nite... anyone familiar with zenwin here?
[10-Apr-2007 17:53:57] <dan__t> I think that's up to you, Baffle.
[10-Apr-2007 17:54:11] <dan__t> I did like /Device/Server/Linux/{CentOS, RHEL} and /Device/Server/FreeBSD
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[10-Apr-2007 18:00:51] <baffle> dan__t: Hmm, but the servers running Linux/RHEL uses differente hw architectures. Should I set that up manually for each host maybe?
[10-Apr-2007 18:03:13] <dan__t> Again, its your call.
[10-Apr-2007 18:03:18] <creiht> baffle: Depends on how you want to use zenoss
[10-Apr-2007 18:03:20] <dan__t> Its along the same line as to how you sort your socks.
[10-Apr-2007 18:03:29] <creiht> The device heirarchy is solely for the monitoring templates
[10-Apr-2007 18:03:53] <creiht> if you are going to monitor all the machines the same, then they can all be in the same part of the heirarchy
[10-Apr-2007 18:03:55] <Igbothom_3rd> which is a powerful advantage Zenoss has, to my way of thinking
[10-Apr-2007 18:03:58] <creiht> yes
[10-Apr-2007 18:04:08] <creiht> A better way you might organize it is
[10-Apr-2007 18:04:24] <dan__t> I like it.
[10-Apr-2007 18:04:51] <creiht> /devices/Server/Linux/Web
[10-Apr-2007 18:05:00] <creiht> /devices/Server/Linux/DB
[10-Apr-2007 18:05:20] <creiht> or something like that as you will most likely want to monitor them differently
[10-Apr-2007 18:05:51] <Igbothom_3rd> as we will be running this to monitor multiple clients, we'll have /devices/ClientName/Server and /devices/ClientName/Desktops, etc
[10-Apr-2007 18:05:55] <creiht> But for the meantime you can put them in the same place, until you have a good reason to do otherwise
[10-Apr-2007 18:06:16] <creiht> Also remember that you have groups to do things like that as well
[10-Apr-2007 18:06:38] <Igbothom_3rd> yup - that will be used for "Servers" and "Desktops SLA1", "Desktops-SLA2" etc
[10-Apr-2007 18:06:41] <creiht> You can have heirarchies of groups for logical distinctions where the monitoring template doesn't change
[10-Apr-2007 18:07:11] <Igbothom_3rd> yeah, I need to look at what will be monitoring templates and what will be groups
[10-Apr-2007 18:07:22] <creiht> But then again... Zenoss is flexible enough to let you do it however you want to
[10-Apr-2007 18:07:38] <Igbothom_3rd> ('cept I cannot get zenwin working)
[10-Apr-2007 18:08:11] <creiht> I haven't needed to do that yet
[10-Apr-2007 18:08:17] <creiht> But I hear it can be a little difficult
[10-Apr-2007 18:08:19] <Igbothom_3rd> and as 95% of these client PCs run Windows...
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:08] <Igbothom_3rd> the documentation is severely lacking and when I get this working, I want to update the zenwin documentation
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:08] <dan__t> I split them by OS, because we have some ancient FreeBSD machines
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:17] <dan__t> and snmp behaves 'differently' on them.
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:29] <creiht> cool
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:35] <Igbothom_3rd> our ancient (5.x) freebsd machine got upgraded to 6.1 a couple of months back
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:36] <dan__t> not really
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:36] <dan__t> heh
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:39] <creiht> hehe
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:43] <dan__t> we have some 4.8's around
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:54] <Igbothom_3rd> wow
[10-Apr-2007 18:10:04] <dan__t> good thing the guys who made some software for us back in the day, made everything pretty much static, and spewed it all over
[10-Apr-2007 18:16:52] <dan__t> hmm
[10-Apr-2007 18:18:20] <baffle> We have FreeBSD 3.2 still in production.
[10-Apr-2007 18:18:40] <baffle> Or, maybe it was 3.4.
[10-Apr-2007 18:20:51] <dan__t> heheh
[10-Apr-2007 18:21:00] <dan__t> these things are only internal now, I won't let them out on the 'net.
[10-Apr-2007 18:21:19] <Igbothom_3rd> god no
[10-Apr-2007 18:21:56] <Igbothom_3rd> (oops, sorry, I should have said "nonexistent mythical being for whom we should thank for the recent holidays, no")
[10-Apr-2007 18:23:57] <dan__t> hahahaha.
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[10-Apr-2007 22:04:50] <illsci> hey anyone alive...
[10-Apr-2007 22:05:19] <illsci> i was wondering if the snmp discovery connects to localhost on the box running zenoss
[10-Apr-2007 22:05:28] <illsci> or if it trys to connect to the dns name entered for the device
[10-Apr-2007 22:05:41] <illsci> my first device is the zenoss box itself
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[10-Apr-2007 22:17:11] <Snake-Eyes> illsci, you can use the 127.0.0.1 and it will detect the host name via snmp
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[10-Apr-2007 22:24:17] <WinAdmin> hi
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[10-Apr-2007 22:36:00] <illsci> hmm
[10-Apr-2007 22:36:08] <illsci> my status page is pretty blank
[10-Apr-2007 22:36:18] <illsci> im probably missing something...
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[11-Apr-2007 04:34:59] <Flo> hi, I'm just trying to install zenoss 1.1.1 on debian etch and having a problem while running ./install.sh
[11-Apr-2007 04:35:29] <Flo> after setting the pw for the zenoss admin user, I get the error: unable to find the "patch" program
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[11-Apr-2007 04:36:59] <Flo> I could only find this error in an old irc log, where someone had the same problem, and solved it by installing the patch, but I wonder wich patch is required
[11-Apr-2007 04:37:34] <Flo> I didn't saw any refernce to this in the docs or faq
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[11-Apr-2007 08:40:56] <jp10558> Does anyone know if Zenoss can monitor Linux daemons like Zenwin can monitor windows services
[11-Apr-2007 08:45:03] <jshadow> theres a python script that can export process info
[11-Apr-2007 08:54:52] <jp10558> So I have to run something else on the linux machines then, SNMP doesn't do it
[11-Apr-2007 08:54:52] <jp10558> ok
[11-Apr-2007 08:55:24] <jshadow> correct, it's zenplugin.py, theres something about it in the wiki I think
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[11-Apr-2007 09:20:59] <jshadow> is there a way to monitor a specific custom snmp value without graphing it? Like adding a section to the OS tab or something similair
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[11-Apr-2007 11:22:27] <jreese> jshadow: yes
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[11-Apr-2007 11:25:00] <jshadow> excellent, could you give me an idea of how to do this?
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[11-Apr-2007 11:42:08] <jp10558> Does Zenoss support external authentication for users?
[11-Apr-2007 11:52:05] <jshadow> jp10558, yes, http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowTowLDAPAuthentication
[11-Apr-2007 11:52:05] <adytum-bot> Title: HowTowLDAPAuthentication - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[11-Apr-2007 12:01:07] <chet> jshadow: What kind of data are you looking to display?
[11-Apr-2007 12:04:27] <jshadow> I have carp status exporting on an openbsd box, it's a boolean value, and I just want to monitor it for a change
[11-Apr-2007 12:04:53] <jshadow> I would prefer it to show up as a field on the os page, instead of needing a large graph
[11-Apr-2007 12:06:54] <chet> How are you exporting it, SNMP?
[11-Apr-2007 12:07:00] <jshadow> correct
[11-Apr-2007 12:07:29] <chet> Are you extending NetSNMP to do it, or is this something that's built into NetSNMP?
[11-Apr-2007 12:08:09] <jshadow> theres a patch out for openbsds net-snmp, using that
[11-Apr-2007 12:08:24] <chet> Cool.. could you do an snmpget of the OID and paste the result in here?
[11-Apr-2007 12:08:35] <chet> zenoss can be picky about the return types.
[11-Apr-2007 12:15:06] <jshadow> ok actually it looks like the one I really want is a string
[11-Apr-2007 12:15:17] <jshadow> snmpget -v2c -c public fondue1 OPENBSD-CARP-MIB::carpIfState.1
[11-Apr-2007 12:15:17] <jshadow> OPENBSD-CARP-MIB::carpIfState.1 = INTEGER: backup(1)
[11-Apr-2007 12:15:34] <chet> Ah.. no, an integer thank goodness.
[11-Apr-2007 12:15:39] <jshadow> ah ok
[11-Apr-2007 12:15:51] <chet> Can you grab one from the active?
[11-Apr-2007 12:16:15] <jshadow> OPENBSD-CARP-MIB::carpIfState.1 = INTEGER: master(2)
[11-Apr-2007 12:19:43] <chet> The easier way to do this would be use a performance template and set a threshold on it.
[11-Apr-2007 12:20:18] <chet> You'd want to copy the ethernetCsmacd to the device and add the CARP data sources to it
[11-Apr-2007 12:20:36] <chet> Set your thresholds to min=1 max=1
[11-Apr-2007 12:20:53] <jshadow> great, ok I think I can figure that out. Thanks
[11-Apr-2007 12:20:54] <chet> Hmm.. no, this would still be a crappy solution.
[11-Apr-2007 12:20:57] <jshadow> oh?
[11-Apr-2007 12:21:10] <chet> Your backup interface would constantly be in alarm.
[11-Apr-2007 12:21:33] <chet> brb..
[11-Apr-2007 12:21:41] <jshadow> k
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[11-Apr-2007 12:30:10] <jreese> jshadow: you'll have to make a datacollector plugin, a zenmodel, a zenmodel skin, and modify the os tab template
[11-Apr-2007 12:30:25] <jreese> i'll get you more info after lunch, meeting up with some friends
[11-Apr-2007 12:30:29] <jreese> it's pretty easy though
[11-Apr-2007 12:30:46] <jshadow> jreese: ok, thanks
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[11-Apr-2007 12:52:07] <chet> jreese has a different definition of easy than most people..
[11-Apr-2007 12:52:21] <jshadow> heh
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[11-Apr-2007 13:28:41] <dan__t> hrm....
[11-Apr-2007 13:29:11] <dan__t> Where should I investigate erroneous reports, for instance, I get a warning here: Utilization 75 perc threshold of 937500.0 exceeded: current value 1043300.49
[11-Apr-2007 13:29:16] <dan__t> I know for a fact, this is not correct.
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[11-Apr-2007 13:56:02] <chet> dan__t: You know the current value isn't 1043300.49?
[11-Apr-2007 13:56:24] <dan__t> Well, yeah?
[11-Apr-2007 13:56:32] <dan__t> Same reason I don't have 902174124 gigs of RAM I guess?
[11-Apr-2007 13:58:55] <chet> What's the bandwidth of the interface?
[11-Apr-2007 14:14:36] <dan__t> Erm sorry I cut off the "CPU" part in the front
[11-Apr-2007 14:14:58] <dan__t> uh nevermind, I read it completely wrong.
[11-Apr-2007 14:15:00] <dan__t> damn.
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[11-Apr-2007 14:15:15] <cdillardhsp> Hola zenoss folks
[11-Apr-2007 14:15:21] <dan__t> wordup, g.
[11-Apr-2007 14:15:40] <cdillardhsp> yo, I got some serious issues with Zenoss as of last night.
[11-Apr-2007 14:16:40] <cdillardhsp> zenoss has been running for over a month. Last night I get a ton of emails telling me hosts are down and services are down. I check and they're up. Now I get "Lost connection to zenoss" on the dashboard. Anyone seen this before? Using zenoss 1.1.1
[11-Apr-2007 14:17:38] <cdillardhsp> now it is just sending out mail after mail: host down, host up, host down, host up
[11-Apr-2007 14:17:43] <cdillardhsp> this is nutz
[11-Apr-2007 14:18:51] <jreese> chet: well it's easy after you spend the hours figuring it out
[11-Apr-2007 14:19:23] <creiht> cdillardhsp: Have you tried stopping and restarting zenoss?
[11-Apr-2007 14:20:14] <cdillardhsp> creiht: yes, checked database user perms, restarted zenoss a few times. Stopped zenoss, stopped mysql, started mysql, started zenoss
[11-Apr-2007 14:20:15] <creiht> And are you monitoring many processes on those boxes?
[11-Apr-2007 14:20:30] <cdillardhsp> yes
[11-Apr-2007 14:20:43] <creiht> Try stopping zenoss
[11-Apr-2007 14:20:51] <creiht> after it has stopped
[11-Apr-2007 14:20:59] <creiht> check if there are any rogue processes running
[11-Apr-2007 14:21:06] <creiht> for zenoss
[11-Apr-2007 14:21:17] <creiht> most likely the zenprocess daemon
[11-Apr-2007 14:21:22] <creiht> If it is, kill it
[11-Apr-2007 14:21:27] <creiht> And then restart zenoss
[11-Apr-2007 14:21:43] <creiht> I'm not sure if it is the same, but I have a similar issue periodically
[11-Apr-2007 14:21:55] <creiht> There is a bug with zenprocess
[11-Apr-2007 14:22:05] <creiht> Which hopefully will be fixed the next releae
[11-Apr-2007 14:23:03] <cdillardhsp> no rogue processes running. and I've rebooted so not sure what the problem is
[11-Apr-2007 14:23:21] <cdillardhsp> only change yesterday was adding two mysql servers as devices in zenoss
[11-Apr-2007 14:25:37] <cdillardhsp> I have noticed that zenoss seems to send out warnings and alerts about hosts/services that are not down. Then, almost immediately afterwards, zenoss sends a CLEAR notice
[11-Apr-2007 14:25:41] <cdillardhsp> very odd behavior
[11-Apr-2007 14:26:08] <cdillardhsp> all I know is that zenoss is now unusable and this stinks
[11-Apr-2007 14:27:11] <cdillardhsp> also getting heartbeat failures for zenoss procs
[11-Apr-2007 14:27:40] <cdillardhsp> should be noted that my zenoss box has dual nics in it ... that shouldn't be a problem though right?
[11-Apr-2007 14:29:53] <jshadow> jreese: are you available to give me a little run down of how I would go about adding the carp check to the os page?
[11-Apr-2007 14:30:02] <jreese> yeah, i'm getting it all together right now
[11-Apr-2007 14:30:12] <jshadow> oh great, thanks much
[11-Apr-2007 14:43:31] <creiht> cdillardhsp: Something isn't right if that is happening all the time
[11-Apr-2007 14:43:45] <creiht> Are you sure you don't have any network connectivity issues?
[11-Apr-2007 14:43:59] <cdillardhsp> I'm sure
[11-Apr-2007 14:44:23] <creiht> If you have network connectivity issues then it can be chatty
[11-Apr-2007 14:44:27] <cdillardhsp> I can tell you that zenoss will alert about http being down on a device. I can immediately hit port 80 on that device
[11-Apr-2007 14:44:44] <creiht> from the poller, or from the desktop?
[11-Apr-2007 14:44:49] <creiht> err your desktop
[11-Apr-2007 14:44:50] <cdillardhsp> right now, I'm more concerned that I have this "lost connection to zenoss" issue
[11-Apr-2007 14:44:54] <cdillardhsp> from either
[11-Apr-2007 14:45:11] <dan__t> Is there a simple quick and dirty to get a perf view in Zenoss, something akin to Cacti's "Graphs" section?
[11-Apr-2007 14:45:31] <creiht> dan__t: The perf tab on a device?
[11-Apr-2007 14:45:47] <Igbothom_III> any zenwin users here today (hi creight)
[11-Apr-2007 14:45:54] <dan__t> Ideally I'd have an expanded tree view
[11-Apr-2007 14:45:57] <creiht> cdillardhsp: If you get that message, then pieces of zenoss are not running
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:08] <dan__t> I can click on the pref tab of each device, sure, but the process can be tedious
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:18] <creiht> cdillardhsp: log into the box, and run $ZENHOME/bin/zenoss status
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:21] <dan__t> I just want a general overview of perf
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:22] <chet> cdillardhsp: That messages indicates specifically that Zope can't communicate with MySQL.
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:49] <cdillardhsp> creiht:[root@rdumon1 ZenEvents]# /etc/init.d/zenoss status
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:49] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zeoctl program running; pid=10565
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:49] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zopectl program running; pid=10569
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:49] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenxevent program running; pid=10574
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:49] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenmodeler program running; pid=10583
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:49] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenperfsnmp program running; pid=10592
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:51] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenperfxmlrpc program running; pid=10609
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:53] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenprocess program running; pid=10744
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:55] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenping program running; pid=10858
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:57] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zensyslog program running; pid=10959
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:59] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenstatus program running; pid=11089
[11-Apr-2007 14:47:01] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenactions program running; pid=11180
[11-Apr-2007 14:47:03] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zentrap program running; pid=11310
[11-Apr-2007 14:47:05] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zencommand program running; pid=11456
[11-Apr-2007 14:47:07] <cdillardhsp> all procs running
[11-Apr-2007 14:47:26] <creiht> cdillardhsp: Check the error logs in $zenhome/log to see if there is anything that stands out
[11-Apr-2007 14:47:31] <chet> Igbothom_III: I use zenwin.
[11-Apr-2007 14:47:46] <creiht> cdillardhsp: Is Mysql running on the same box or on a different box?
[11-Apr-2007 14:48:13] <cdillardhsp> same box and I can login using the local mysql client like this: mysql -u zenoss -p zenoss events
[11-Apr-2007 14:48:14] <Igbothom_III> chet, cool, I'm trying to, the services load in W2K3, no errors, but Zenoss cannot see the zenwin system
[11-Apr-2007 14:48:39] <cdillardhsp> creiht: which of the logs should I check?
[11-Apr-2007 14:48:41] <chet> cdillardhsp: What about mysql -h localhost -u zenoss -p events
[11-Apr-2007 14:49:06] <cdillardhsp> yep, that works too
[11-Apr-2007 14:49:11] <chet> Igbothom_III: What do you mean Zenoss can't see it?
[11-Apr-2007 14:49:43] <chet> Go the the Event Manager and make sure the MySQL settings match what you're using.
[11-Apr-2007 14:49:46] <Igbothom_III> chet, I *think* I got the passwords and config files right, but the docs are seriously lacking wrt zenwin config - when I get this working, I'll help rewrite them
[11-Apr-2007 14:50:00] <Igbothom_III> hang on, re-loading the VMWare guest running Zenoss
[11-Apr-2007 14:50:54] <creiht> cdillardhsp: all of them
[11-Apr-2007 14:51:00] <creiht> but first I would look at zeo.log
[11-Apr-2007 14:51:05] <creiht> and Z2.log
[11-Apr-2007 14:51:07] <cdillardhsp> looking for database issues???
[11-Apr-2007 14:51:22] <creiht> Looking for any errors
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[11-Apr-2007 14:51:34] <creiht> You describe several issues going on
[11-Apr-2007 14:51:41] <creiht> Just trying to help debug what is going on
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[11-Apr-2007 14:51:53] <cdillardhsp> I know, and I thank you!
[11-Apr-2007 14:52:13] <creiht> I'm sure it is something simple
[11-Apr-2007 14:53:26] <cdillardhsp> you say that the 'lost connection to zenoss' is specifically a database issue right?
[11-Apr-2007 14:53:43] <creiht> cdillardhsp: chet said that... I'm not entirely sure
[11-Apr-2007 14:53:45] <chet> cdillardhsp: Has always been in my experience.
[11-Apr-2007 14:54:40] <cdillardhsp> well wtf ... the db is running and accepting connections. Could it be because my zenoss server is low on memory, and slightly into swap?
[11-Apr-2007 14:55:01] <creiht> If it starts swapping a lot that can cause polling isses
[11-Apr-2007 14:55:06] <creiht> As polls don't finish in time
[11-Apr-2007 14:55:22] <Igbothom_III> cnet, where are the mysql user/pass used with zenwin - there's only a zopeusername and zopepassword, and these are set to the "manager" account I created for myself in the Zenoss interface
[11-Apr-2007 14:55:23] <chet> I don't think that'd cause your "lost connection" error though.
[11-Apr-2007 14:56:01] <chet> Igbothom_III: They are set in the "Event Manager" section of the web interface.
[11-Apr-2007 14:56:03] <cdillardhsp> chet: any recommendations to solve that problem?
[11-Apr-2007 14:56:04] <Igbothom_III> (I'm using the VMWare guest on the zenoss site, btw, to trial this
[11-Apr-2007 14:56:37] <tessier> Does Zenoss integrate Nagios or does it implement its own monitoring system?
[11-Apr-2007 14:56:56] <Igbothom_III> chet, so, the zopeusername and password are the mysql usernamre and password?
[11-Apr-2007 14:57:14] <chet> cdillardhsp: Make sure you have these tables [alert_state,detail,heartbeat,history,log,status] and that you can select a record from each.
[11-Apr-2007 14:57:16] <creiht> cdillardhsp: Try this in the log volder
[11-Apr-2007 14:57:18] <creiht> tail -n 100 * | grep -i error
[11-Apr-2007 14:57:28] <creiht> And see what pops up
[11-Apr-2007 14:57:35] <chet> Igbothom_III: No, zopeusername and password are the zope admin username and password.
[11-Apr-2007 14:57:42] <chet> Igbothom_III: MySQL is something else entirely.
[11-Apr-2007 14:57:52] <creiht> If it is having db issues, then it there should be a lot of errors
[11-Apr-2007 14:58:47] <creiht> If it is something else, then there should be errors describing what is wrong
[11-Apr-2007 14:59:07] <cdillardhsp> 2007-04-05T14:56:54 ERROR Zope.SiteErrorLog http://rdumon1.rpstechnology.com:8080/zport/dmd/ZenEventManager/eventFields
[11-Apr-2007 14:59:07] <cdillardhsp> 2007-04-01T03:18:55 ERROR RenderServer failed generating summary
[11-Apr-2007 14:59:07] <Igbothom_III> and by zope, do you mean the zenoss interface username and password? There is no mention of zope anywhere on the zenoss side
[11-Apr-2007 14:59:17] <creiht> cdillardhsp: Is that all?
[11-Apr-2007 14:59:57] <bzed> Igbothom_III: didn't you realize that zenoss is a zope application?
[11-Apr-2007 14:59:59] <cdillardhsp> nah, there are tons of errors related to rrd files but these two lines looked interesting
[11-Apr-2007 15:00:18] <chet> Igbothom_III: Zope is the web/application server that Zenoss runs in. Perhaps if you say why you're asking these questions we could explain it to you more adequately.
[11-Apr-2007 15:00:19] <creiht> I doubt that is an issue
[11-Apr-2007 15:00:36] <creiht> try
[11-Apr-2007 15:00:46] <creiht> tail -n 100 * | grep -i error | grep -v -i rrd
[11-Apr-2007 15:00:50] <Igbothom_III> chet, yes, I'd read that, but what's the difference between a zope username and password and the username and password that I created in the zenoss interface to login with
[11-Apr-2007 15:01:33] <chet> Zenoss is only an application that runs within the application server. It is quite possible to admin the application server with one username/password and admin the Zenoss application with another.
[11-Apr-2007 15:01:58] <Igbothom_III> aha - then any idea what the zope username and password are in the VMWare guest?
[11-Apr-2007 15:02:05] <tessier> Anyone know if Zenoss integrates the Nagios code or does it implement it's own monitoring system?
[11-Apr-2007 15:02:14] <chet> Igbothom_III: Hmm.. admin/zenoss I think
[11-Apr-2007 15:02:19] <creiht> tessier: It is its own monitoring system
[11-Apr-2007 15:02:26] <creiht> That can run Nagios plugins
[11-Apr-2007 15:03:24] <tessier> creiht: Ah, ok. Thanks,
[11-Apr-2007 15:03:27] <cdillardhsp> what about this one? 2007-04-11 14:34:28 WARNING ZEO.zrpc: (8870) CW: error connecting to ('localhost', 8100): ECONNREFUSED
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:00] <jreese> jshadow, pm me
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:02] <creiht> cdillardhsp: ok now we are getting somewhere
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:10] <cdillardhsp>
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:22] <creiht> are there any others like that? and is it in there a lot?
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:54] <cdillardhsp> there are several of those plus several of these:
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:54] <cdillardhsp> 2007-04-11 13:50:31 ERROR zen.Events: (2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)")
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:54] <cdillardhsp> OperationalError: (2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)")
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:54] <cdillardhsp> 2007-04-11 13:50:31 ERROR zen.ZenTrap: (2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)")
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:54] <cdillardhsp> 2007-04-11 13:50:31 ERROR zen.Events: (2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)")
[11-Apr-2007 15:05:09] <creiht> ok
[11-Apr-2007 15:05:12] <cdillardhsp> yet, I can connect to the db server
[11-Apr-2007 15:05:55] <Igbothom_III> chet, ok, so I removed the "server" device I had, changed the user/pass in the zenwin config files to "admin/zenoss", tried to re-add the "server" computer as per the zenwin readme, and get an error message stating that "no snmp found for ip = 192.168.69.2"
[11-Apr-2007 15:06:39] <creiht> cdillardhsp: Well it appears for some reason Zenoss can't... let me find the link where you can check the login params for MySQL that zenoss is using
[11-Apr-2007 15:08:28] <creiht> cdillardhsp: go to
[11-Apr-2007 15:08:33] <creiht> /zport/dmd/ZenEventManager/manage_propertiesForm
[11-Apr-2007 15:08:38] <creiht> on your zenoss server
[11-Apr-2007 15:08:45] <creiht> through html
[11-Apr-2007 15:08:54] <creiht> so http:/myserver/zport/dmd/ZenEventManager/manage_propertiesForm
[11-Apr-2007 15:09:12] <cdillardhsp> yep
[11-Apr-2007 15:09:13] <creiht> That will show the username password, and host that it is using to connect to mysql
[11-Apr-2007 15:09:22] <creiht> does that look correct?
[11-Apr-2007 15:09:30] <cdillardhsp> yep
[11-Apr-2007 15:09:34] <cdillardhsp> default username and password
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:25] <creiht> and the host is set to 127.0.0.1
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:27] <creiht> ?
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:32] <cdillardhsp> yes
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:37] <creiht> hrmm
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:43] <cdillardhsp> indeed
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:45] <creiht> Well for some reason it is failing to connect
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:52] <cdillardhsp> I agree
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:58] <creiht> Any iptables?
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[11-Apr-2007 15:11:23] <cdillardhsp> as we're talking, I have noticed that my remote MySQL Administrator session has lost connection once and I had to reconnect
[11-Apr-2007 15:11:32] <Igbothom_III> chet, when I run the "python zenwin.py -C etc\zenwin.cfg" command on the Windows box in a cmd shell, it seems to run, but as there's no information in the zenwin readme as to what I should expect to see in the output, I don't (can't) tell if this is working properly
[11-Apr-2007 15:11:51] <creiht> hrmm
[11-Apr-2007 15:11:59] <creiht> Unfortunatelly I have to run to a meeting
[11-Apr-2007 15:12:08] <cdillardhsp> no prob, thanks man
[11-Apr-2007 15:12:13] <creiht> (I have a real job to do as well )
[11-Apr-2007 15:12:15] <pbaumgartner> i'm new to zenoss and snmp in general. are there any good resources on building snmpd.conf files out there on the intarweb?
[11-Apr-2007 15:12:18] <cdillardhsp> I will try and figure out what the deal is
[11-Apr-2007 15:12:23] <cdillardhsp> lots of help
[11-Apr-2007 15:12:25] <cdillardhsp> thanks!
[11-Apr-2007 15:14:25] <chet> cdillardhsp: I'd redo the MySQL grants and flush privileges to be sure..
[11-Apr-2007 15:14:49] <chet> cdillardhsp: grant all privileges on events.* to zenoss@'127.0.0.1' identified by password 'thepassword';
[11-Apr-2007 15:14:53] <chet> cdillardhsp: flush privileges;
[11-Apr-2007 15:14:55] <cdillardhsp> yes, I've actually tried that. Would have been: grant all on events.* to
[11-Apr-2007 15:14:57] <cdillardhsp> yes...
[11-Apr-2007 15:14:59] <cdillardhsp> you beat me to it
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[11-Apr-2007 15:15:35] <chet> hmm.. try taking any special characters out of the password.
[11-Apr-2007 15:15:54] <Igbothom_III> mysql passwords have a rather limited character set available
[11-Apr-2007 15:16:02] <chet> Igbothom_III: Is the SNMP service running and configured properly on your Zenwin server?
[11-Apr-2007 15:16:39] <Igbothom_III> apparently not, but what info do these need? (not used snmp before, followed the limited docs, appears to be right, but obviously isn't)
[11-Apr-2007 15:16:57] <chet> Igbothom_III: What type of Windows is it?
[11-Apr-2007 15:17:06] <Igbothom_III> W2K3
[11-Apr-2007 15:17:17] <Igbothom_III> loaded the SNMP on it (Windows' snmp, that is)
[11-Apr-2007 15:17:22] <chet> Do you have an "SNMP" service, is it running?
[11-Apr-2007 15:17:27] <Igbothom_III> yup
[11-Apr-2007 15:17:37] <chet> Go to the service's properties and setup your access.
[11-Apr-2007 15:17:41] <chet> Then restart it.
[11-Apr-2007 15:17:55] <Igbothom_III> done
[11-Apr-2007 15:18:06] <chet> I think W2K3 defaults to only allowing localhost to poll it.
[11-Apr-2007 15:18:25] <Igbothom_III> that's what I'm unsure of - I have set the properties before, but Zenoss won't see it
[11-Apr-2007 15:18:34] <Igbothom_III> nah, I added the zenoss IP
[11-Apr-2007 15:18:47] <Igbothom_III> and set trap destination to the zenoss IP
[11-Apr-2007 15:18:51] <chet> Is there any firewall software running on the Windows server?
[11-Apr-2007 15:19:11] <Igbothom_III> yes (always is) - I'll check it...
[11-Apr-2007 15:19:29] <chet> Your zenoss system will need to access it on port 161/udp.
[11-Apr-2007 15:19:37] <Igbothom_III> k, looking into that...
[11-Apr-2007 15:40:48] <jp10558> Anyone using Zenoss with dual core XP machines? I'm seeing odd results for CPU performance with the SNMP Informant install
[11-Apr-2007 15:42:36] <jp10558> nevermind, it seems to be clearing up
[11-Apr-2007 15:44:10] <Igbothom_III> chet, just checked - single NIC W2K3 server running RRAS (no ISA) has all ports available, so, no, there's no firewall running
[11-Apr-2007 15:53:59] <Igbothom_III> ok, just tried to "snmpwalk" the VMWare guest and it failed... anyone got a commandling to have this work? I tried "snmpwalk -Os -c public 192.168.69.24"
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[11-Apr-2007 15:57:32] <Igbothom_III> (trying to get a commandline string that will work on the VMWare guest so I can check my W2K3 Server)
[11-Apr-2007 16:02:32] <Igbothom_III> ok - smnpwalk -On -v 1 localhost -c public <-- that works on the Zenoss box - good start
[11-Apr-2007 16:03:28] <Igbothom_III> and fails on the W2K3 box - "Timeout: No Response from 192.168.69.2"
[11-Apr-2007 16:10:00] <Igbothom_III> damn - that command fails to run on snmpwalk from net-snmp tools for Windows
[11-Apr-2007 16:16:43] <jp10558> Could you use tembria SNMP browser?
[11-Apr-2007 16:17:01] <Igbothom_III> googlign
[11-Apr-2007 16:18:54] <Igbothom_III> ok - it comes up with "unable to connect to host using snmp - and that's on the box itself (W2K3 Server)
[11-Apr-2007 16:19:20] <Igbothom_III> but it sees the Zenoss VMWare guest without issue
[11-Apr-2007 16:19:21] <jp10558> sounds like SNMP isn't running right then
[11-Apr-2007 16:19:29] <Igbothom_III> damn straight it does!
[11-Apr-2007 16:19:38] <Igbothom_III> thanks for the link - nice util
[11-Apr-2007 16:23:22] <Igbothom_III> that did the trick - in the Windows snmp service config, you need to list its own IP if you want to see it - not just localhost! (Weird, but Microsoft)
[11-Apr-2007 16:25:14] <Igbothom_III> woohoo - thanks jp10558 that seems to have been the thing I needed to get this sorted as Zenoss now sees my Windows box
[11-Apr-2007 16:26:47] <Igbothom_III> now I'll let it sit for 30 min or so and see if it gathers data from it
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[11-Apr-2007 17:45:51] <Igbothom_III> chet, jp10558 pointed me in the right direction - snmp was running fine, but with the help of the Tembria SNMP Browser I determined that I needed the Windows server's IP in its list of allowed hosts, as well as localhost and the Zenoss box before it would work - working fine now
[11-Apr-2007 17:46:38] <Igbothom_III> other than that, no changes to the config I had were necessary
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[11-Apr-2007 18:07:08] <chet> weird, I only have my zenoss server's fqdn in there on my windows servers.
[11-Apr-2007 18:07:40] <chet> and I have a mix of NT4, 2k and 2k3..
[11-Apr-2007 18:13:05] <Igbothom_III> yeah, I agree - totally not what I expected. I'll do another one ina VMWare guest and see exactly what's needed, then document it and update the docs on the website
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[11-Apr-2007 18:23:59] <funraps__> hello
[11-Apr-2007 18:24:18] <funraps__> can anyone offer support on install using rpm pon centos 4.4
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[11-Apr-2007 20:43:06] <v_> hi.
[11-Apr-2007 20:44:03] <chet> Hi, v_
[11-Apr-2007 20:44:16] <v_> life!
[11-Apr-2007 20:44:28] <v_> how you doing?
[11-Apr-2007 20:45:08] <v_> i ran across an ad for zenoss on the rrdtool website today, followed the link.
[11-Apr-2007 20:45:17] <v_> i haven't downloaded yet, but i plan to try it out tomorrow.
[11-Apr-2007 20:45:24] <v_> usin nagios for monitoring currently.
[11-Apr-2007 20:45:30] <v_> g key sticks
[11-Apr-2007 20:45:42] <chet> Cool.. most people here are coming from Nagios.
[11-Apr-2007 20:45:44] <chet> Including me.
[11-Apr-2007 20:50:21] <v_> i liked what i saw on the website.
[11-Apr-2007 20:51:09] <v_> and it would be nice to have something truly configurable via a web interface
[11-Apr-2007 21:08:04] <v_> will zenoss compile/install fine on debian or ubuntu?
[11-Apr-2007 21:09:14] <v_> if i use it in production it'll be on current CentOS, but I have some personal boxes that run Debian and Ubuntu that I was thinking of trying it out on as well
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[11-Apr-2007 21:22:46] <chet> Yeah, plenty of people are running on Debian.
[11-Apr-2007 21:23:26] <Igbothom_III> quick Q - will zenoss monitor *any* managed switch?
[11-Apr-2007 21:24:35] <Igbothom_III> I'm looking at installing a Linksys SRW-2024 to replace the dodgey Alloy switch that seems to be having issues
[11-Apr-2007 21:24:45] <chet> Igbothom_III: As long as it it supports the IF-MIB via SNMP.. I haven't seen one that doesn't.
[11-Apr-2007 21:24:51] <Igbothom_III> and being able to monitor port usage, bandwidth and so on would be great
[11-Apr-2007 21:25:03] <Igbothom_III> cool
[11-Apr-2007 21:25:11] <Igbothom_III> (as you can tell, I'm an snmp-newbie)
[11-Apr-2007 21:25:25] <chet> Igbothom_III: That'll have to change. =}
[11-Apr-2007 21:25:35] <Igbothom_III> I intend for it to change
[11-Apr-2007 21:25:49] <chet> Just remember.. the S stand for simple.
[11-Apr-2007 21:25:54] <Igbothom_III> yeah
[11-Apr-2007 21:26:23] <Igbothom_III> the MIBs (well, OIDs) are the bit that makes it NOT look simple, but they are really just strings of numbers
[11-Apr-2007 21:26:59] <Igbothom_III> ok, I know you won't know, but I gather Zenoss will be able to see if PoE is being used on a managed PoE switch such as their SRW-2024P
[11-Apr-2007 21:27:23] <Igbothom_III> and do you recommend using the "public" community for all Zenoss monitored devices?
[11-Apr-2007 21:28:09] <Igbothom_III> (aka, how do you change the community Zenoss listens to for a particular device, site, network, etc)
[11-Apr-2007 21:28:23] <Igbothom_III> I'm looking forward to Zenoss btw
[11-Apr-2007 21:28:26] <chet> Generally people will tell you to change your community to something else.. it will at least dissuade casual miscreants.
[11-Apr-2007 21:28:50] <Igbothom_III> yeah, even is "public" is read only, well, it is read-only
[11-Apr-2007 21:28:51] <chet> You can give it a list to try under the zProperties for the root /Devices tree.
[11-Apr-2007 21:28:58] <Igbothom_III> too easy to snoop if you get access
[11-Apr-2007 21:29:04] <Igbothom_III> excellent, thanks
[11-Apr-2007 21:29:06] <chet> It'll try each one in order on a device until one works.. then it remembers the correct one per device.
[11-Apr-2007 21:29:14] <Igbothom_III> that's nice
[11-Apr-2007 21:29:35] <chet> Igbothom_III: It doesn't support any type of PoE monitoring out of the box.
[11-Apr-2007 21:29:54] <Igbothom_III> bummer, but I gather that's scriptable
[11-Apr-2007 21:33:51] <chet> yeah, assuming the device makes it available.
[11-Apr-2007 21:34:17] <Igbothom_III> cool - that's where Google and the spaniards come in handy - and something like snmpwalk, I'd imagine
[11-Apr-2007 21:35:50] <chet> I'm looking at the data sheet for that Linksys switch. It has outstanding SNMP support.
[11-Apr-2007 21:38:54] <chet> It even mentions that it has its own private MIB extension for PoE data
[11-Apr-2007 21:46:03] <bzed> chet: a lot of linksys switches are cisco products. you can manage to install a small version of IOS on some of them, but as far as I remember the flash is not as big as on the original cisco models, so you wanna make sure that the ios fits on the switch before trying to flash it
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[12-Apr-2007 06:57:28] <Heebie> Hi. I need to try and migrate my data from the system running my pilot of Zenoss (up for about 8 months) to the vmware appliance. Any idea on how I can move the data?
[12-Apr-2007 06:58:11] <Heebie> Also.. the Zenoss appliance seems to lose-track of it's heartbeat and such as soon as I give the machine real network information. (a hostname, /etc/resolv.conf and static IP address.) Any ideas on why this is?
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[12-Apr-2007 07:12:05] <claros> Hi
[12-Apr-2007 07:12:30] <claros> Can we add a Device Class Path to zenoss?
[12-Apr-2007 07:18:37] <Heebie> Yes. You can do it from the add device dialog.. there's a spot to create a new class... you just type the name in the empty box next to it. I've added several on my setup.
[12-Apr-2007 07:25:10] <claros> I cannot write in Device Class path...
[12-Apr-2007 07:27:27] <claros> I can add systems, group, location but not a device class path
[12-Apr-2007 07:30:50] <Heebie> Go to "Add Device" to bring up a new device page.
[12-Apr-2007 07:31:13] <Heebie> Wait.. it's not there. Let me look a little more.
[12-Apr-2007 07:32:08] <Heebie> Go to "Devices" from the left hand side, then change to the "Classes" tab on that page.. and that has the ability to add, rename & move device classes within the device class tree.
[12-Apr-2007 07:33:24] <claros> Great! Thank You!
[12-Apr-2007 07:33:56] <claros> I've 20 Proxim bridge to add in a new class...
[12-Apr-2007 07:34:10] <claros> Thank yu again
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[12-Apr-2007 08:19:17] <Heebie> claros : You're welcome. I just hope someone can help me get my stuff migrated to my new Zenoss box.
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[12-Apr-2007 09:11:34] <jp10558> I just noticed, the source install I did didn't have localhost monitored unlike the RPM install. It looks like i have to manually configure Net-SNMP + snmpd.conf. Is there anything I ought to know before setting up localhost monitoring on a source install?
[12-Apr-2007 09:21:42] <chet> Nothing specific.. I wouldn't monitor it as localhost. You'd be better off adding it as it's actual hostname/ip.
[12-Apr-2007 09:23:30] <jp10558> ok
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[12-Apr-2007 09:32:20] <v_> jim baker got eaten by wombats!
[12-Apr-2007 09:32:31] <v_> is anyone here running zenoss in a chrooted environment?
[12-Apr-2007 09:33:45] <v_> gee, this installs a lot of stuff ( building rpm )
[12-Apr-2007 09:41:10] <chet> v_: Nope.. it has an awful lot of dependencies. Seems like it would be a lot of work.
[12-Apr-2007 09:41:22] <v_> yea.
[12-Apr-2007 09:41:41] <chet> v_: Most people are running it on a dedicated machine or virtual machine anyway, so chrooting it would be redundant.
[12-Apr-2007 09:42:27] <v_> unfortunately, I don't have a machine to dedicate to it
[12-Apr-2007 09:44:35] <v_> we're using a proprietary hosting control panel that places virtual sites in a chroot environment. i have nagios running that way now. i was going to put zenoss in another one of these sites. we'll see how it turns out.
[12-Apr-2007 09:47:55] <v_> gar, i've got to rebuild it, i forgot to modify one of the Requires: lines to reflect the centosplus mysql package name :-s
[12-Apr-2007 10:13:24] <bzed> chet: most dependencies are in the zenoss package
[12-Apr-2007 10:13:29] <bzed> you'd ahve to install it in the machine
[12-Apr-2007 10:13:44] <bzed> err in the chroot
[12-Apr-2007 10:14:02] <bzed> not sure about library paths and co, though
[12-Apr-2007 10:17:26] <bzed> I'd prefer to run it in a vserver or xen instead of trying to chroot it
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[12-Apr-2007 10:19:24] <v_> i don't really have a choice ;-s
[12-Apr-2007 10:20:13] <v_> yea, it appears that most of what it needs is under /opt/zenoss
[12-Apr-2007 10:21:11] <v_> aside from mysql libraries, which i've already got in the chroot
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[12-Apr-2007 10:22:00] <v_> 'wi
[12-Apr-2007 10:22:06] <v_> oops
[12-Apr-2007 10:22:46] <Heebie> I'm trying to use zenbackup.py to backup my zenoss isntall.. and it's running out of space on /tmp Does anyone know if there's some way for me to have it use network-based storage intead of /tmp for it's temporary files?
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[12-Apr-2007 10:39:09] <jp10558> so installing net-snmp is safe on the zenoss machine?
[12-Apr-2007 10:39:48] <creiht> jp10558: Yes
[12-Apr-2007 10:41:37] <jp10558> thanks
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[12-Apr-2007 10:58:03] <chet> Heebie: I believe it'll go wherever you set your TMPDIR environment variable.
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[12-Apr-2007 11:23:35] <v_> Am I correct when I understand that ${ZENHOME}/bin/zenoss only uses sudo when it is run as root?
[12-Apr-2007 11:23:39] <Heebie> chet : I'll try that..thanks!
[12-Apr-2007 11:24:04] <Heebie> v_ : It should use SUDO to run any processes that need unrestricted access.
[12-Apr-2007 11:24:14] <chet> v_: No.. it should always be run as the zenoss user. It uses sudo to manage zenping, zentrap and zensyslog.
[12-Apr-2007 11:24:19] <chet> yeah
[12-Apr-2007 11:24:25] <v_> oh.
[12-Apr-2007 11:24:28] <v_> hrm.
[12-Apr-2007 11:24:36] <creiht> It needs sudo access since those require restricted ports
[12-Apr-2007 11:24:47] <creiht> which only root process can access
[12-Apr-2007 11:25:14] <chet> Actually.. the whole list is zenping (for raw ICMP packets), zentrap (for port 162/udp), zensyslog (for 514/udp) and zendisc for raw ICMP packets.
[12-Apr-2007 11:25:26] <v_> ok thanks.
[12-Apr-2007 11:25:32] <chet> Then it also needs sudo to kill those processes since they are run as root.
[12-Apr-2007 11:29:38] <Heebie> chet : I don't currently have a TMPDIR environment variable. Maybe that's whyh it's going to /tmp in the first place?
[12-Apr-2007 11:29:56] <bzed> Heebie: you probably just want to read the .py file
[12-Apr-2007 11:30:39] <Heebie> bzed : It's probably whatever zip defaults to.
[12-Apr-2007 11:30:44] <bzed> chet: having sudo permissions on kill is always a bad thing imho.
[12-Apr-2007 11:30:49] <chet> Heebie: export TMPDIR=/yournetworkpath
[12-Apr-2007 11:30:59] <bzed> Heebie: zip doesn't have any defaults
[12-Apr-2007 11:31:49] <chet> bzed: Yup.. mine to, but I like the convenience of being able to stop all the processes gracefully at once.
[12-Apr-2007 11:31:53] <bzed> rootTempDir = tempfile.mkdtemp()
[12-Apr-2007 11:31:53] <bzed> tempDir = os.path.join(rootTempDir, self.BACKUP_DIR)
[12-Apr-2007 11:31:53] <bzed> os.mkdir(tempDir)
[12-Apr-2007 11:31:58] <chet> bzed: If you don't like it, it isn't necessary.
[12-Apr-2007 11:32:42] <chet> bzed: Python's tempfile module looks at the TMPDIR environment variable first to determine where to get the mkdtemp() from.
[12-Apr-2007 11:32:46] <bzed> chet: is there a stop services button somewhere hidden in zenoss?
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[12-Apr-2007 11:33:05] <chet> bzed: Not sure if it's hidden.. on the About page.
[12-Apr-2007 11:33:11] <Heebie> bzed : On the ABOUT page.
[12-Apr-2007 11:33:17] <chet> bzed: Also used for a "zenoss stop" or a "zenping stop" etc..
[12-Apr-2007 11:34:43] <v_> gar. zenoss isn't going to be able to kill the processes in the chroot.
[12-Apr-2007 11:34:49] <Heebie> mysqldump just gave me an error. It couldn't create a file in /tmp
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[12-Apr-2007 11:35:04] <Heebie> (but the TMPDIR variable thing seems to have worked.)
[12-Apr-2007 11:35:12] <chet> doh..
[12-Apr-2007 11:35:23] <chet> Try setting TMPDIR, TMP and TEMP all to the same thing.
[12-Apr-2007 11:35:28] <chet> Not sure which one mysqldump will use.
[12-Apr-2007 11:35:42] <creiht> Heebie: Hrmmm... according to the code, mysqldump is sent the tempdir that it creates
[12-Apr-2007 11:35:46] <bzed> chet: I'll write a wrapper in c to do this instead of using sudo
[12-Apr-2007 11:36:15] <chet> And setuid the wrapper?
[12-Apr-2007 11:36:19] <bzed> yes
[12-Apr-2007 11:36:40] <creiht> just setuid python
[12-Apr-2007 11:36:50] <Heebie> Naughty mysqldump
[12-Apr-2007 11:36:51] <chet> I suppose it'll verify that the PID being killed is running a zenoss process?
[12-Apr-2007 11:37:30] <bzed> chet: I'd verify that the user who is runnign the script is zenoss and then execute the start/stop scripts
[12-Apr-2007 11:37:40] <chet> Isn't that exactly what sudo does?
[12-Apr-2007 11:37:54] <creiht> bzed: Not sure what is worse... another command that is setuid or havving a script run as sudo
[12-Apr-2007 11:38:18] <Heebie> That it was sudo does.. and if sudo is properly configured it shouldn't be able to run anything not specified. One could really lock that down to specific command lines.
[12-Apr-2007 11:38:52] <bzed> creiht: having sudo on python and kill is worse. with that the zenoss user could do absolutely everythogn on the system. with a wrapper around scripts, which are only writeable by root, it's much harder to do anything bad
[12-Apr-2007 11:39:06] <bzed> Heebie: sudo does not check what's you're killing
[12-Apr-2007 11:39:16] <bzed> it just let's a user execute things as root
[12-Apr-2007 11:40:01] <Heebie> bzed : You can give it specific command arguments that are allowed to executed.. it doesn't have to be allowed access to anything root can do.
[12-Apr-2007 11:40:44] <bzed> Heebie: you don't know the pid to kill before, don't you?
[12-Apr-2007 11:41:27] <Heebie> No, I suppose not.
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[12-Apr-2007 11:42:19] <bzed> again: a sudo on /bin/kill is suicide, as soon as somebody manage to own the zenoss account
[12-Apr-2007 11:42:19] <Heebie> Later all
[12-Apr-2007 11:42:31] <bzed> sudo on python is even worse
[12-Apr-2007 11:53:34] <creiht> bzed: Not going to argue there
[12-Apr-2007 11:59:43] <litein> I have recently dl the vm of zenoss. I am seeing events talking about heartbeat failure.
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[12-Apr-2007 12:14:24] <chet> litein: Heartbeat failures usually relate to problems with the various Zenoss daemons. What are you getting specifically?
[12-Apr-2007 12:17:40] <litein> I have changed the hostname and set the ip address of the box. I have added some devices. then I noticed i was those messages under infrastructure issues.
[12-Apr-2007 12:17:59] <chet> Ah.. changing the hostname will cause this problem.
[12-Apr-2007 12:18:06] <chet> Go into Event Manager and clear heartbeats.
[12-Apr-2007 12:18:17] <litein> I have cleared them.
[12-Apr-2007 12:18:37] <chet> Hmm... restart all the daemons, then clear them again.
[12-Apr-2007 12:19:04] <litein> ok I will restart them.
[12-Apr-2007 12:22:26] <litein> perfsmnp, perffxmlrpc, process, ping, command will not start back up now
[12-Apr-2007 12:25:28] <chet> Look in their logs to find out why.
[12-Apr-2007 12:27:49] <litein> 2007-04-08 04:07:06 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: Unresponsive devices: []
[12-Apr-2007 12:27:49] <litein> 2007-04-08 04:07:06 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: collected 0 of 0 devices in 0.00
[12-Apr-2007 12:27:49] <litein> 2007-04-08 04:11:17 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: no devices found, keeping existing list
[12-Apr-2007 12:28:05] <litein> 2007-04-08 04:10:41 INFO zen.zenperfxmlrpc: collected 0 of 0 devices in 0.00
[12-Apr-2007 12:28:05] <litein> 2007-04-08 04:11:10 WARNING zen.zenperfxmlrpc: no devices found, keeping existing list
[12-Apr-2007 12:29:37] <chet> Are you performance and status monitors named localhost?
[12-Apr-2007 12:29:59] <litein> no.
[12-Apr-2007 12:30:58] <chet> What are they named?
[12-Apr-2007 12:31:22] <litein> its named the same as the hostname.
[12-Apr-2007 12:32:10] <chet> And all of your devices are assigned to them?
[12-Apr-2007 12:32:55] <litein> yes
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[12-Apr-2007 12:35:01] <chet> Add a line like "monitor yourhostname" into etc/zenperfsnmp.conf then restart it. See if it collects any devices then.
[12-Apr-2007 12:37:01] <litein> yes it trying to collect now
[12-Apr-2007 12:37:32] <litein> i am now seeing these error messages
[12-Apr-2007 12:37:33] <litein> 2007-04-12 06:34:20 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error collecting data on ind_ts1, recollecting
[12-Apr-2007 12:37:33] <litein> 2007-04-12 06:34:20 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error reading value for "cpuPercentProcessorTime" on ind_ts1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.5.1.5.6.95.84.111.116.97.108 is bad)
[12-Apr-2007 12:37:33] <litein> 2007-04-12 06:34:20 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error reading value for "memoryAvailableKBytes" on ind_ts1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.2.0 is bad)
[12-Apr-2007 12:37:33] <litein> 2007-04-12 06:34:20 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error reading value for "memoryPagesPerSec" on ind_ts1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.10.0 is bad)
[12-Apr-2007 12:38:38] <litein> the other daemon still will not start.'
[12-Apr-2007 12:44:11] <litein> I am just going to restart over with the vm. I will be back if i need more help. Thanks.
[12-Apr-2007 12:49:16] <jp10558> Anyone have any idea why zensyslog would keep going down for no reason?
[12-Apr-2007 12:49:21] <jp10558> is it supposed to do that?
[12-Apr-2007 12:50:55] <chet> Someone on the mailing list had this problem and it was related to the standard syslog daemon stealing the port.
[12-Apr-2007 12:52:47] <jp10558> ahh
[12-Apr-2007 13:00:17] <illsci> hey whats the unix command to reverse the arg's... like argv or something
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[12-Apr-2007 13:00:37] <illsci> so you can do somethign like rpm -qa | grep something | somecommand rpm -e
[12-Apr-2007 13:00:52] <chet> xargs
[12-Apr-2007 13:00:59] <illsci> you're the man
[12-Apr-2007 13:01:02] <illsci> my brian is dieing
[12-Apr-2007 13:01:07] <illsci> my brain is dieing
[12-Apr-2007 13:01:13] <chet> Good thing there are plenty of Brians around.
[12-Apr-2007 13:03:06] <jp10558> So I tried accessing a test Win server 2k3 standard machine
[12-Apr-2007 13:03:10] <jp10558> w/out snmp informant
[12-Apr-2007 13:03:20] <jp10558> and I got an error with the security trap...
[12-Apr-2007 13:03:23] <jp10558> so I disabled that
[12-Apr-2007 13:04:00] <jp10558> and it seemed to work, though there were some logged errors on the collecting informanton
[12-Apr-2007 13:04:38] <jp10558> ERROR zen.SnmpClient device win2k3 plugin zenoss.snmp.InterfaceMap unexpected error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/SnmpClient.py", line 101, in collect self._tabledata[pname][tmap] = driver.next() File "/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenUtils/Driver.py", line 51, in next raise ex ProtoError: ErrorStatus: 5 ((genError) A general failure occured) at .1.3.6.1.2.1.31.1.1.1.18
[12-Apr-2007 13:04:44] <jp10558> is that a problem?
[12-Apr-2007 13:05:58] <chet> Yes. If you left the performance templates as is, and put the server under /Servers/Windows it will try to collect the SNMP-Informant data from it.
[12-Apr-2007 13:06:24] <chet> If you don't want to use SNMP-Informant, you need to remove the "Device" performance template from /Servers/Windows.
[12-Apr-2007 13:06:47] <jp10558> But then it would not do WMI collection
[12-Apr-2007 13:06:58] <jp10558> so then I NEED to have SNMP informant installed
[12-Apr-2007 13:07:00] <jp10558> ok
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[12-Apr-2007 13:07:30] <chet> WMI and SNMP-Informant do totally different things. Performance data is collected from SNMP-Informant. WMI is used to monitor eventlog and services.
[12-Apr-2007 13:09:05] <jp10558> Right, what I meant was if I remove it from /devices/server/windows, I'm guessing it won't be doing WMI polling
[12-Apr-2007 13:09:22] <chet> Ah, yes.. that's true.
[12-Apr-2007 13:09:38] <jp10558> But informant isn't that heavy really, just trying to figure the bare minimum
[12-Apr-2007 13:10:00] <chet> Personally I made a subtree under /Servers/Windows call Informant for systems that I installed it on.
[12-Apr-2007 13:10:19] <chet> Then I moved the Device performance template from the Windows subtree down to the Informant subtree.
[12-Apr-2007 13:10:51] <jp10558> is there a reason to not install informant on windows machines - it doesn't seem to slow them down, or to conflict with anything right now
[12-Apr-2007 13:11:38] <chet> No good reason.
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[12-Apr-2007 13:34:18] <jp10558> I'm having some trouble getting my zenoss box to monitor itself... I tried the suggested SNMPd.conf file
[12-Apr-2007 13:34:47] <jp10558> but I'm not getting information from it. I added trapcommunity public to the bottom, and trapsink <zenoss box>
[12-Apr-2007 13:35:06] <jp10558> I'mm getting events, but no performance data, and nothing in the OS tab
[12-Apr-2007 13:35:10] <creiht> jp10558: The extra trap stuff isn't really needed
[12-Apr-2007 13:35:12] <chet> Does snmpwalk work?
[12-Apr-2007 13:35:19] <creiht> The performance data will come in time
[12-Apr-2007 13:35:58] <jp10558> tenebra snmp browser does say it connected successfully
[12-Apr-2007 13:36:12] <jp10558> but how long does it normally take for the OS tab to fill out?
[12-Apr-2007 13:36:42] <jp10558> I know there is some problem, because I'm getting events:
[12-Apr-2007 13:36:47] <creiht> It can take up to 30 minutes for the configuration to refresh (which you can force to happen by restarting zenoss)
[12-Apr-2007 13:36:51] <jp10558> Error reading value for "memBuffer" on <zenoss device>
[12-Apr-2007 13:37:07] <chet> Is this a Linux system or something else?
[12-Apr-2007 13:37:18] <jp10558> oh sorry, it's the zenoss server
[12-Apr-2007 13:37:21] <jp10558> running SL4
[12-Apr-2007 13:37:32] <jp10558> with the source install of Zenoss and Python 2.4.4
[12-Apr-2007 13:37:54] <chet> It should definitely be able to get memBuffer from that system.
[12-Apr-2007 13:38:19] <jp10558> I'm guessing I've messed up my snmpd.conf
[12-Apr-2007 13:38:42] <chet> All you really need in your snmpd.conf is "rocommunity public"
[12-Apr-2007 13:38:59] <jp10558> rocommunity ?
[12-Apr-2007 13:39:06] <jp10558> not trapcommunity?
[12-Apr-2007 13:39:29] <chet> yes.. to specify the read-only community.
[12-Apr-2007 13:39:43] <jp10558> ok
[12-Apr-2007 13:40:01] <jp10558> so I don't need the com2sec ... etc + access ... ect lines
[12-Apr-2007 13:40:09] <chet> You can leave the trapsink in there if you want to receive traps, but NetSNMP doesn't generate many good ones.
[12-Apr-2007 13:40:23] <chet> nah.. that's the complicated way to define access controls.
[12-Apr-2007 13:40:56] <jp10558> ok, giving rocommunity public a try!
[12-Apr-2007 13:41:19] <chet> This file should be /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf
[12-Apr-2007 13:41:27] <chet> You'll need to "service restart snmpd" after you change it.
[12-Apr-2007 13:41:54] <jp10558> not service snmpd restart
[12-Apr-2007 13:41:55] <jp10558> ?
[12-Apr-2007 13:42:01] <jp10558> thats what I've been doing
[12-Apr-2007 13:42:02] <chet> heh.. you're right.
[12-Apr-2007 13:42:31] <eGGstain> does anyone have zenoss running on centos4.4??
[12-Apr-2007 13:42:58] <chet> eGGstain: I do.
[12-Apr-2007 13:43:12] <eGGstain> using the zenoss-deps-centos43-1.1.1.i386.tar.bz2
[12-Apr-2007 13:43:21] <eGGstain> any problems??
[12-Apr-2007 13:43:30] <chet> No.. I just installed from source.
[12-Apr-2007 13:43:46] <eGGstain> great thanks
[12-Apr-2007 13:43:47] <chet> I'm using the mysql-server package from the centosplus repository.
[12-Apr-2007 13:44:22] <chet> I also installed a local copy of Python 2.4.4 into /opt/zenoss since the 2.3.5 that comes with CentOS 4.4 is too old.
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[12-Apr-2007 13:44:55] <eGGstain> thanks for the info
[12-Apr-2007 13:46:04] <jp10558> hmm no luck with everything commented out except for rocommunity public
[12-Apr-2007 13:46:21] <jp10558> I restarted zenoss, got some events (did have trapsink I remember)
[12-Apr-2007 13:46:27] <jp10558> but no OS tab populated
[12-Apr-2007 13:46:40] <jp10558> usually I immediately get something under OS on adding a device
[12-Apr-2007 13:46:52] <eGGstain> you also restarted snmpd??
[12-Apr-2007 13:48:02] <jp10558> gahh, new I forgot something, trying again
[12-Apr-2007 13:48:34] <chet> jp10558: If you don't have anything on the OS tab, you need to go to the Manage tab and re-collect the device.
[12-Apr-2007 13:51:24] <jp10558> just did that, no go - still blank
[12-Apr-2007 13:51:45] <jp10558> it's just going really quick on the collect tab - are you sure that it's not an issue with using the FQDN vs localhost?
[12-Apr-2007 13:55:53] <chet> Which one are you using? You may need to have iptables allow the access if you're running it.
[12-Apr-2007 13:56:57] <jp10558> I'm using FQDN
[12-Apr-2007 13:57:06] <jp10558> no firewall that I'm aware of
[12-Apr-2007 13:57:21] <eGGstain> SELinux running??
[12-Apr-2007 13:58:55] <jp10558> no
[12-Apr-2007 13:59:28] <jp10558> looks like I'll have to get my linux guys to take a look again, no idea what is screwed up - every other device is working right
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[12-Apr-2007 15:37:57] <litein> i am getting this error msg
[12-Apr-2007 15:37:58] <litein> Error reading value for "memoryPagesPerSec" on ditanex1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.10.0 is bad)
[12-Apr-2007 15:39:27] <chet> Did you install SNMP-Informant on ditanex1?
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[12-Apr-2007 15:40:15] <litein> no. I have some other windows box that I have added that I am getting the information just.
[12-Apr-2007 15:40:38] <SoulRebel`> hello all
[12-Apr-2007 15:40:50] <SoulRebel`> anyone knows why zopectl is not installed by default ?
[12-Apr-2007 15:40:52] <chet> By default Zenoss tries to collect SNMP-Informant data (like memoryPagesPerSec) from anything in the /Servers/Windows hierarchy.
[12-Apr-2007 15:41:05] <chet> SoulRebel`: It is if the install completely successfully.
[12-Apr-2007 15:41:08] <Igbothom_III> chet, that's cool aboot the Linksys SRW-2024P units - the PoE MIBs they have
[12-Apr-2007 15:42:04] <SoulRebel`> chet: my install hanged after the compilation of all packages (i'm installing from source on a freebsd box) because of my mysq
[12-Apr-2007 15:42:35] <SoulRebel`> *of my mysql server is not on localhost, i'm want to use a remote mysql
[12-Apr-2007 15:42:36] <chet> You'll need to correct whatever that problem was and reinstall so that it can finish.
[12-Apr-2007 15:42:44] <chet> export MYSQL_HOST="yourmysqlhost"
[12-Apr-2007 15:42:47] <chet> before installing.
[12-Apr-2007 15:44:01] <SoulRebel`> i'll try this var... thankz chet
[12-Apr-2007 15:44:29] <chet> Anytime.. a common problem.
[12-Apr-2007 15:48:39] <SoulRebel`> there is a lack of documentation of this problem...
[12-Apr-2007 15:49:16] <chet> I suppose they have to make money somehow. =}
[12-Apr-2007 15:51:38] <SoulRebel`> yeah, i hope they make a lot of money if its really a great product (i dont know zenoss yet... i'm trying to make it run for t
[12-Apr-2007 15:51:43] <SoulRebel`> the first time
[12-Apr-2007 15:52:12] <SoulRebel`> damn bugged mirc emulated via wine
[12-Apr-2007 15:55:12] <SoulRebel`> chet: do you know for what reason the installation need my mysql root password?
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[12-Apr-2007 16:07:31] <Gamekiller77> good day all
[12-Apr-2007 16:08:46] <Gamekiller77> how do i start zenoss i did not see it in init.d
[12-Apr-2007 16:08:47] <SoulRebel`> yeah!! my zenos is up & running
[12-Apr-2007 16:08:59] <SoulRebel`> Gamekiller77: /usr/local/zenoss/bin/zenoss start
[12-Apr-2007 16:09:04] <Gamekiller77> ok thanks
[12-Apr-2007 16:10:04] <Gamekiller77> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/zenoss/log/zeo.log'
[12-Apr-2007 16:10:07] <Gamekiller77> hmm
[12-Apr-2007 16:10:20] <SoulRebel`> mkdir /usr/local/zenoss
[12-Apr-2007 16:10:34] <Gamekiller77> i did
[12-Apr-2007 16:10:42] <Gamekiller77> all that
[12-Apr-2007 16:10:47] <SoulRebel`> oops, mkdir /usr/local/zenoss/log
[12-Apr-2007 16:11:00] <SoulRebel`> and the log bus belong to same user of zenoss
[12-Apr-2007 16:11:38] <jp10558> I can't figure out what's going on - from another machine using Tembria SNMP Browser, I can access my Zenoss server SNMP data
[12-Apr-2007 16:11:44] <jp10558> but zenoss doesn't seem to get anything
[12-Apr-2007 16:11:51] <jp10558> and it doesn't matter if I do FQDN or Localhost
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[12-Apr-2007 16:14:23] <Gamekiller77> ok i think it started hmm
[12-Apr-2007 16:14:23] <Gamekiller77> ok
[12-Apr-2007 16:18:07] <litein> after install snmp-informant I am still getting the error. Error reading value for "memoryPagesPerSec" on ditanex1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.10.0 is bad)
[12-Apr-2007 16:22:10] <jp10558> when you installed informant, did you restart snmp service in windows?
[12-Apr-2007 16:22:46] <chet> SoulRebel`: It needs the MySQL root password because MySQL only lets super users create triggers.
[12-Apr-2007 16:23:00] <chet> litein: Make sure you restart the SNMP service.
[12-Apr-2007 16:23:14] <chet> Oops.. you already got that one, jp10558.
[12-Apr-2007 16:24:00] <chet> jp10558: What does it tell you when you model it?
[12-Apr-2007 16:24:11] <chet> jp10558: Or "re-collect" it I should say.
[12-Apr-2007 16:24:22] <creiht> Hrmmm... Anybody know how to offically turn off daemons if you don't want to use them so that you don't get heartbeats/
[12-Apr-2007 16:24:45] <litein> yes i have.
[12-Apr-2007 16:24:46] <chet> creiht: Edit bin/zenoss and comment out the "C=" line with the daemon you care not to run.
[12-Apr-2007 16:24:49] <creiht> For example, I don't want to run zensyslog, so I stop the daemon, but then I get heartbeats
[12-Apr-2007 16:24:57] <creiht> Yeah I have done that
[12-Apr-2007 16:25:02] <creiht> But I still get heartbeat warnings
[12-Apr-2007 16:25:03] <chet> creiht: Then go to your Event Manager and clear heartbeats.
[12-Apr-2007 16:25:07] <creiht> oh
[12-Apr-2007 16:25:13] <creiht> hehe
[12-Apr-2007 16:25:21] <creiht> I knew it was probably something simple
[12-Apr-2007 16:25:21] <chet> It's only expecting more heartbeats because it saw some in the past.
[12-Apr-2007 16:25:24] <litein> i just restarted the snmp serviuce again and now I am getting the information
[12-Apr-2007 16:32:50] <jp10558> It doesn't tell me anything...?
[12-Apr-2007 16:33:10] <jp10558> Normally, it scrolls several windows - with stuff that it's collecting
[12-Apr-2007 16:33:18] <jp10558> now it just goes for 2 seconds and says nothing's changed
[12-Apr-2007 16:40:59] <chet> jp10558: Run it from the command line so you can force recollection..
[12-Apr-2007 16:41:08] <chet> jp10558: zenmodeler run --force --device=devicename
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[12-Apr-2007 17:14:11] <Gamekiller77> hmm i just tryed to do this to add zenoss to start up
[12-Apr-2007 17:14:15] <Gamekiller77> update-rc.d zenoss 95
[12-Apr-2007 17:14:19] <Gamekiller77> but i got an error
[12-Apr-2007 17:14:25] <Gamekiller77> useing ubuntu
[12-Apr-2007 17:15:27] <chet> What error?
[12-Apr-2007 17:15:53] <Gamekiller77> root@chupacabra:~# update-rc.d zenoss 95
[12-Apr-2007 17:15:54] <Gamekiller77> usage: update-rc.d [-n] [-f] <basename> remove
[12-Apr-2007 17:15:54] <Gamekiller77> update-rc.d [-n] <basename> defaults|multiuser [NN | sNN kNN]
[12-Apr-2007 17:15:54] <Gamekiller77> update-rc.d [-n] <basename> start|stop NN runlvl [runlvl] [...] .
[12-Apr-2007 17:15:54] <Gamekiller77> -n: not really
[12-Apr-2007 17:15:54] <Gamekiller77> -f: force
[12-Apr-2007 17:16:34] <korozion> Upon ZenOSS start, I get three sudo errors (zenoss is not allowed to run sudo ..._), however my sudo file contains zenoss monitor = NOPASSWD: /usr/local/zenoss/bin/*,/bin/kill
[12-Apr-2007 17:16:40] <korozion> have I done something wrong?
[12-Apr-2007 17:16:51] <chet> korozion: Replace "monitor" with the name of your host.
[12-Apr-2007 17:16:58] <korozion> ahh!
[12-Apr-2007 17:17:00] <korozion> thanks
[12-Apr-2007 17:17:30] <korozion> boy do I feel dumb
[12-Apr-2007 17:17:48] <Gamekiller77> we all do that man
[12-Apr-2007 17:17:54] <chet> Gamekiller77: I'm not too familiar with their init system, but is it perhaps asking you to specify start/stop and the runlevel?
[12-Apr-2007 17:17:59] <korozion> good to hear
[12-Apr-2007 17:18:13] <Gamekiller77> that what i am thinking
[12-Apr-2007 17:18:16] <Gamekiller77> i not to ether
[12-Apr-2007 17:18:38] <Gamekiller77> i was a big gentoo user and i know how to do that
[12-Apr-2007 17:18:39] <korozion> this may sound like a loaded question, but it's not. How does ZenOSS stack up against OpenNMS? Can someone shed some light on good/better/best things?
[12-Apr-2007 17:18:53] <korozion> I used to be big into gentoo too
[12-Apr-2007 17:19:01] <chet> Gamekiller77: It's probably irrelevant anyway since I doubt you have a zenoss startup script in /etc/init.d
[12-Apr-2007 17:19:17] <korozion> chet: that worked perfectly, thanks
[12-Apr-2007 17:19:27] <Gamekiller77> ok
[12-Apr-2007 17:19:41] <Gamekiller77> there is a zenoss in init.d
[12-Apr-2007 17:20:04] <chet> Gamekiller77: Try update-rc.d zenoss defaults
[12-Apr-2007 17:20:16] <Gamekiller77> i will do that
[12-Apr-2007 17:20:41] <Gamekiller77> that worked
[12-Apr-2007 17:21:00] <korozion> heh, chet +2
[12-Apr-2007 17:21:00] <chet> korozion: I've only used OpenNMS briefly. I didn't like how difficult it was to extend or the mess of XML config files. It think it is more stable than Zenoss, but at the detriment of having its development move at a glacial pace.
[12-Apr-2007 17:21:51] <korozion> I'm not sure what you mean about extend, but I do know they've started to allow editing of xml files from the gui. However you need to chown the config dir to allow tomcat to write
[12-Apr-2007 17:22:13] <korozion> how about options, how to they stack up? Am I comparing apples to apples?
[12-Apr-2007 17:22:25] <chet> Just as a random example of the type of extension I'm talking about.
[12-Apr-2007 17:23:48] <chet> I run ISC DHCPD, and I created my own snmpd subagent that publishes all of the data on the pools/leases/etc. In Zenoss I could write a collection map that allows me to see the current status of all the DHCP server's pools from the OS tab, and drill down to see the related performance graphs.
[12-Apr-2007 17:24:24] <chet> Something more powerful than saying, "Here's a list of OIDs.. collect them
[12-Apr-2007 17:24:32] <korozion> ahh, I think I see
[12-Apr-2007 17:25:12] <korozion> that, and ZenOSS gave me a free tee-shirt
[12-Apr-2007 17:25:42] <chet> Another different example would be this. Zenoss by default collects a system's routing table using the standard RFC1213 MIB. I run Check Point firewalls on Solaris, and Check Point breaks the RFC1213 MIB very badly.
[12-Apr-2007 17:25:58] <creiht> korozion: I have used both quite a bit
[12-Apr-2007 17:26:05] <korozion> I see
[12-Apr-2007 17:26:08] <creiht> Zenoss is much easyer to install and configure
[12-Apr-2007 17:26:21] <chet> I'm able to tell Zenoss that for these Solaris hosts with Check Point installed that it should collect the routing table via SSH - netstat -ravn instead of using the SNMP MIB.
[12-Apr-2007 17:26:21] <creiht> Zenoss it is also much easier to continue managing it
[12-Apr-2007 17:26:52] <korozion> these are all good point
[12-Apr-2007 17:26:52] <korozion> s
[12-Apr-2007 17:26:59] <creiht> Zenoss comes with a sane set of default snmp monitoring, where with ONMS you have to set that up yourself
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:02] <korozion> and it seems to use less resources
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:14] <creiht> It will probably be similar in the long run
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:15] <chet> OpenNMS is a good monitoring solution. Zenoss goes beyond that with really incredible inventory management capabilities.
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:23] <korozion> ahh, I see
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:29] <SoulRebel`> my web interface of zenoss tell me all the time that: Lost Connection to Zenoss
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:29] <creiht> OpenNMS seems to be more scalable
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:43] <chet> creiht: Hardly!
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:48] <creiht> OpenNMS currently has better service monitoring
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:50] <SoulRebel`> anyone knows what could be ?
[12-Apr-2007 17:28:03] <creiht> chet: Well yes... sadly
[12-Apr-2007 17:28:05] <korozion> ok, in zenoss, if I add an interface, and the web server on said interface goes down, will it yell at me?
[12-Apr-2007 17:28:10] <creiht> Though I know they are working on it
[12-Apr-2007 17:28:13] <korozion> Or do I need to do some more config to set that up?
[12-Apr-2007 17:28:21] <chet> Zenoss scales very gracefully.. just throw another performance monitor in the mix and you double your capacity.
[12-Apr-2007 17:28:42] <creiht> chet: Well it unfortunately isn't quite that easy
[12-Apr-2007 17:28:56] <creiht> I'm talking scaling to 50k - 100k devices level
[12-Apr-2007 17:29:10] <korozion> also, I'm getting this error - 127.0.0.1 sendto error Host Keri and localhost are both using ip 127.0.0.1
[12-Apr-2007 17:29:14] <korozion> "keri" is the localhost
[12-Apr-2007 17:29:36] <chet> korozion: Do you have localhost and keri defined as devices?
[12-Apr-2007 17:29:45] <chet> korozion: If so, you should delete localhost.
[12-Apr-2007 17:29:45] <korozion> keri is, but localhost is not
[12-Apr-2007 17:29:54] <korozion> there is a 'localhost' monitor though
[12-Apr-2007 17:30:01] <chet> That's fine.
[12-Apr-2007 17:30:20] <korozion> as for devices, there is no 'localhost' device
[12-Apr-2007 17:30:42] <creiht> Zenoss also seems to be developing at a much faster pace
[12-Apr-2007 17:30:52] <creiht> Plus it is Python, so that is a bonus for me
[12-Apr-2007 17:30:56] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 17:31:05] <korozion> and don't forget the shirts!
[12-Apr-2007 17:31:07] <creiht> Both systems are pretty good
[12-Apr-2007 17:31:08] <creiht> hehe
[12-Apr-2007 17:31:11] <creiht> I also have a hat
[12-Apr-2007 17:31:15] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 17:31:22] <chet> I have no swag.
[12-Apr-2007 17:31:59] <korozion> awww
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:02] <creiht> Though I think I have an ONMS shirt somewhere
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:04] <creiht>
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:17] <korozion> I wish I could figure out this error though
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:27] <chet> korozion: Run zendmd as the zenoss user.
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:33] <chet> korozion: At the prompt try this..
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:33] <korozion> I'll mess around a bid, and see what I can see
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:41] <chet> from IpAddress import findIpAddress
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:48] <chet> findIpAddress(dmd.Networks, '127.0.0.1')
[12-Apr-2007 17:33:11] <korozion> nothing is returned
[12-Apr-2007 17:33:22] <korozion> Oooo, I bet it's a hosts problem
[12-Apr-2007 17:33:32] <chet> That's weird..
[12-Apr-2007 17:33:38] <chet> I'd say restart zenping
[12-Apr-2007 17:33:46] <korozion> yes, it's a hosts problem
[12-Apr-2007 17:34:01] <chet> How so?
[12-Apr-2007 17:34:22] <korozion> 'keri' was defined as 192.168.174.10 as well as 127.0.0.1
[12-Apr-2007 17:34:33] <korozion> (in /etc/hosts)
[12-Apr-2007 17:34:40] <korozion> my bad
[12-Apr-2007 17:34:48] <korozion> lesse if the error goes away ...
[12-Apr-2007 17:36:43] <korozion> hey, look at that
[12-Apr-2007 17:36:46] <korozion> the error went away
[12-Apr-2007 17:36:47] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 17:36:52] <korozion> whoopss
[12-Apr-2007 17:37:13] <korozion> now I have all new errors, although I believe it's realated
[12-Apr-2007 17:37:53] <korozion> I'll try removing and re-adding the device
[12-Apr-2007 17:38:02] <korozion> not like there was anything special done with it
[12-Apr-2007 17:39:35] <korozion> riiiiight, it doesn't like my basic snmp config
[12-Apr-2007 17:41:23] <korozion> could someone remind me of that zenoss wiki page with the snmpd config on it?
[12-Apr-2007 17:41:54] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[12-Apr-2007 17:41:54] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[12-Apr-2007 17:41:54] <korozion> thank you sir
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:06] <creiht> Somebody should make that link the title of this channel
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:06] <creiht>
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:17] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:25] <chet> I really want to edit that page to get rid of the advanced access control crap.
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:29] <korozion> Why is it that ZenOSS doesn't like just the basic 4 line config?
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:37] <chet> So many lines of config that could be handled by "rocommunity mycommunity"
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:45] <creiht> I think it was contributed by someone
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:56] <chet> What's the basic 4 line config?
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:57] * korozion is open to ideas
[12-Apr-2007 17:43:09] <korozion> location, admin, community, and sysservices
[12-Apr-2007 17:43:19] <chet> try..
[12-Apr-2007 17:43:43] <chet> rocommunity yourCommunity
[12-Apr-2007 17:43:49] <chet> trapsink zenoss.host
[12-Apr-2007 17:43:53] <chet> syslocation yourLocation
[12-Apr-2007 17:43:58] <chet> syscontact yourContact
[12-Apr-2007 17:44:02] <korozion> aha, wait
[12-Apr-2007 17:44:07] <korozion> my bad .... again
[12-Apr-2007 17:44:16] <korozion> snmp was still talking on 127.0.0.1
[12-Apr-2007 17:45:20] <korozion> gee, look at that
[12-Apr-2007 17:45:23] <korozion> it worked
[12-Apr-2007 17:45:28] <korozion> basic config
[12-Apr-2007 17:46:01] <korozion> It's amazing how well things work when you set them up right ...
[12-Apr-2007 17:46:26] <chet> I hate it when everything works the first time.. no feeling of accomplishment. =}
[12-Apr-2007 17:46:33] <korozion> ha, so true
[12-Apr-2007 17:49:43] <chet> :1
[12-Apr-2007 17:49:45] <chet> oops
[12-Apr-2007 17:50:31] <Gamekiller77> ok it looks as my zenoss looks good
[12-Apr-2007 17:52:14] <korozion> crap
[12-Apr-2007 17:52:21] <korozion> I'm still getting a bunch of errors
[12-Apr-2007 17:52:26] * korozion tracks them down ...
[12-Apr-2007 17:53:09] <Gamekiller77> lol
[12-Apr-2007 17:54:43] <creiht> korozion: The other nice thing is that now you can also answer questions on IRC so that chet doesn't have to answer them all
[12-Apr-2007 17:54:51] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 17:55:19] <creiht> chet: You should work for zenoss
[12-Apr-2007 17:55:41] <chet> heh.. this place is like the end of chapter questions.
[12-Apr-2007 17:56:20] <chet> Half the questions that come up end up teaching me something that I can use later.
[12-Apr-2007 17:56:55] <creiht> yup
[12-Apr-2007 17:58:09] <korozion> teaching is a great way to learn more
[12-Apr-2007 17:59:49] <korozion> hrm
[12-Apr-2007 18:00:02] <korozion> I'm getting errors on a device that doesn't exist anymore
[12-Apr-2007 18:00:11] <chet> What kind of errors?
[12-Apr-2007 18:00:43] <creiht> korozion: You mean events?
[12-Apr-2007 18:00:50] <korozion> yes, sorry
[12-Apr-2007 18:00:53] <korozion> and issues
[12-Apr-2007 18:01:07] <creiht> try moving those events to history and see if they pop back up
[12-Apr-2007 18:01:13] <korozion> ok
[12-Apr-2007 18:01:18] <creiht> I have that happen sometimes when I delete a device
[12-Apr-2007 18:01:27] <chet> If they're heartbeat related, go to Event Manager and clear heartbeats.
[12-Apr-2007 18:01:44] <korozion> it's like you read my mind ...
[12-Apr-2007 18:02:13] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 18:02:14] <korozion> that worked
[12-Apr-2007 18:02:54] <chet> I'm a broken record.. if zenoss ever got a heartbeat from a device it will expect more.
[12-Apr-2007 18:03:18] <korozion> ok, here's one. I have a router/firewall that's a packaged distro running on a beige box. Should I still use /network/router/firewall/ as the device class path?
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[12-Apr-2007 18:05:54] <creiht> korozion: Remember that the device class path is all about what it is going to monitor
[12-Apr-2007 18:06:22] <creiht> If the device is a real box and you want to monitor CPU usage, and memeory usage, etc, then put it under one of the Server heirarchys
[12-Apr-2007 18:06:33] <korozion> aha!
[12-Apr-2007 18:06:52] <creiht> If you are just woried about the router aspects (bandwith through the interfaces), then put it in the router heirarchy
[12-Apr-2007 18:07:03] <korozion> aha, ok. That makes sense
[12-Apr-2007 18:08:30] <korozion> so the heirarchy is assuming you're calling a spade a spade
[12-Apr-2007 18:08:44] <creiht> hehe
[12-Apr-2007 18:08:53] <creiht> It all depends on what you want to monitor
[12-Apr-2007 18:09:35] <creiht> If you really wanted to, you could create your own subfolder under router
[12-Apr-2007 18:09:50] <creiht> And copy the monitoring template for server devices to that template
[12-Apr-2007 18:10:02] <creiht> So for organization sakes it would be under router
[12-Apr-2007 18:10:14] <creiht> and you would be able to monitor the extra stuff as well
[12-Apr-2007 18:10:22] <korozion> ahh, that's a good idea
[12-Apr-2007 18:10:47] <korozion> gee
[12-Apr-2007 18:11:04] <korozion> I have to say. The suppose in IRC channels between OpenNMS and ZenOSS sure makes a huge difference
[12-Apr-2007 18:11:22] <korozion> don't get me wrong, the onms chan is decent
[12-Apr-2007 18:11:35] <korozion> the community here seems to go that extra step
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:10] <creiht> Well to play devil's advocate... Zenoss is the new kid on the block and there are a lot of people excited about it (like chet and I)
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:17] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:24] <creiht> ONMS has been around a while
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:25] <korozion> creiht: do I know you from #lighttpd?
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:35] <creiht> no
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:37] <korozion> hrm
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:41] <korozion> the name sounds fimiliar
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:57] <korozion> *familiar
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:02] <korozion> maybe just from being here before
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:14] <creiht> But if you would have come to the IRC channel about 2 moths ago or so, there wasn't as much help
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:22] <creiht> chet has been a big help
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:24] <creiht> hrmm
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:28] <korozion> yeah, new things are always popular at first, but it's nice to see that ZenOSS is keeping up with some of the older things out there
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:34] <creiht> korozion: Do you do python web development?
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:40] <korozion> aha!
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:44] <creiht> hehe
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:48] <korozion> #turbogears or #django?
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:54] <creiht> I hang out on #pylons and #sqlalchemy a lot
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:59] <korozion> dammit
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:00] <korozion> wrong again
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:08] <korozion> I don't do dev myself
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:09] <creiht> sometimes on #turbogears and #django just to see what is going on
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:13] <korozion> (well, a very small bit)
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:16] <creiht> hehe
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:20] <korozion> but my boss is a bg python dev
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:27] <creiht> cool
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:30] <korozion> we met in Chicago with the django dev
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:38] <korozion> pretty cool fellow
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:47] <creiht> hehe
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:58] <creiht> He's cool as long as you have the same ideas
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:05] <creiht> Actually he is a cool guy
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:20] <korozion> haha, that's so typical with all ... platform? developers
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:24] <creiht> But he is pretty set in his ways when it comes to django
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:27] <korozion> platform isn't the word I'm looking for
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:31] <creiht> With most
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:31] <korozion> yeah, very true
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:34] <creiht> framework
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:39] <korozion> framework, that's the one
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:42] <creiht> That's one of the things about pylons that I like
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:54] <korozion> yeah, if you don't drink their cool-aid, you can't play in their park
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:58] <creiht> hehe
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:08] <creiht> That's one of the other things that I like about Zenoss
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:15] <korozion> my boss actually .... (stop laughing) moved to php
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:15] <creiht> They have been very open to user input
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:20] <korozion> (stop laughing now)
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:21] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:24] <creiht> Where ONMS is fairly set in their ways
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:29] <creiht> doh
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:36] <creiht> Why would he do that
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:39] <korozion> he does all web dev, and went to an OO approach of php
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:48] <korozion> I think because he's an old asp dev
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:55] <korozion> so php was natural to him
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:56] <creiht> ahh
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:57] <creiht> heh
[12-Apr-2007 18:17:05] <korozion> his issue is he doesn't have time to learn a new framework
[12-Apr-2007 18:17:12] <korozion> he has to get thing out the door, yesterday
[12-Apr-2007 18:17:25] <korozion> I've all but left the company though
[12-Apr-2007 18:17:34] <korozion> I took another sysadmin job at a wifi isp
[12-Apr-2007 18:17:43] <creiht> ahh
[12-Apr-2007 18:17:49] <korozion> I'll stay part-time sysadmin for him, but I wont have to do the odd tasks for that old job anymore
[12-Apr-2007 18:17:56] <korozion> just sysadmin stuff after work, and that's it
[12-Apr-2007 18:18:09] <korozion> plus I'll make more money and have a 6/6meg connection at home
[12-Apr-2007 18:18:18] <Igbothom_III>
[12-Apr-2007 18:18:28] <korozion> they already let me colo a box there, which is nice
[12-Apr-2007 18:18:36] <creiht> that's cool
[12-Apr-2007 18:18:38] <korozion> this machine is on a 25mbit fiber connection
[12-Apr-2007 18:18:45] <korozion> and I'm taking another machine there soon
[12-Apr-2007 18:19:02] <creiht> and bandwidth restrictions?
[12-Apr-2007 18:19:14] <korozion> I only got that before I started, because I used to do some contract work for them, and I know the noc manager really well
[12-Apr-2007 18:19:17] <korozion> no restrictions
[12-Apr-2007 18:19:27] <creiht> nice
[12-Apr-2007 18:19:30] <korozion> very
[12-Apr-2007 18:19:51] <creiht> I get a box here for $5 a month
[12-Apr-2007 18:19:55] <korozion> nice!
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:02] <creiht> 20GB bw limit
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:13] <korozion> ahh
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:14] <dan__t> ouch
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:14] <creiht> But I hardly push 5GB so not a big deal
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:26] <creiht> Well I can get more if I need it
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:38] <creiht> And we only measure outgoing
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:54] <korozion> http://www.linuxgeneration.org/munin/linuxgeneration.org/ellen.linuxgeneration.org-if_eth0.html
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:54] <adytum-bot> Title: Munin :: linuxgeneration.org :: ellen.linuxgeneration.org :: if_eth0 (at www.linuxgeneration.org)
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:54] <korozion> I've had a couple of large hits
[12-Apr-2007 18:21:28] <korozion> 52.83 Mbps :S
[12-Apr-2007 18:21:48] <korozion> and tht'
[12-Apr-2007 18:21:49] <korozion> oops
[12-Apr-2007 18:21:50] <korozion> tat'
[12-Apr-2007 18:21:52] <korozion> argh
[12-Apr-2007 18:21:56] <korozion> that's sending
[12-Apr-2007 18:22:23] <korozion> If ZenOSS wasn't rich, I'd offer a mirror
[12-Apr-2007 18:23:05] <creiht> haha
[12-Apr-2007 18:23:12] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 18:23:14] <creiht> That's what sourceforge is for
[12-Apr-2007 18:23:19] <korozion> heh, yeah
[12-Apr-2007 18:23:29] <korozion> D'oh!
[12-Apr-2007 18:23:34] <korozion> I'm getting that error again
[12-Apr-2007 18:23:51] <creiht> Which one?
[12-Apr-2007 18:24:06] <korozion> hrm, I think I see
[12-Apr-2007 18:24:09] <korozion> this time ...
[12-Apr-2007 18:24:15] <korozion> 192.168.174.10 sendto error Host Keri and keri.linuxgeneration.org are both using ip 192.168.174.10
[12-Apr-2007 18:24:30] <creiht> hrmm
[12-Apr-2007 18:24:36] <korozion> it's like the ping thingy is not seeing them both as the same thing
[12-Apr-2007 18:24:39] <creiht> And you only have one device when you go to devices?
[12-Apr-2007 18:30:54] <korozion> well, there are two, but the other is "trinity" my router
[12-Apr-2007 18:32:24] <creiht> hrmm
[12-Apr-2007 18:34:02] <korozion> 1 sec
[12-Apr-2007 18:36:43] <korozion> http://www.linuxgeneration.org/pics/zenoss.png
[12-Apr-2007 18:38:06] <creiht> korozion: Not sure what to do there sorry
[12-Apr-2007 18:38:09] <chet> Wow.. I forgot how much prettier they made the trunk.
[12-Apr-2007 18:38:18] <korozion> bummer
[12-Apr-2007 18:38:19] <chet> You did already restart zenping, right?
[12-Apr-2007 18:38:28] <korozion> yeah, I restarted the whole thing
[12-Apr-2007 18:38:42] <korozion> I'll figure it out, eventually
[12-Apr-2007 18:39:08] <creiht> korozion: If all else fails, send a message to the mailing list
[12-Apr-2007 18:39:16] <korozion> k
[12-Apr-2007 18:43:00] <chet> Was the device ever called keri.linuxgeneration.org inside of Zenoss?
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[12-Apr-2007 18:55:58] <korozion> crap
[12-Apr-2007 18:56:00] <korozion>
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[12-Apr-2007 20:39:46] <Gamekiller77> what is needed to have the pager function work in zenoss
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[12-Apr-2007 22:28:49] <chet> Ever get that problem sorted, korozion?
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[13-Apr-2007 08:51:03] <jp10558> Hmmm, I tried the commandline
[13-Apr-2007 08:51:18] <jp10558> ran as zenoss user
[13-Apr-2007 08:51:53] <jp10558> still doesn't show anything in OS tab. gave the same output on the command line as with the web interface
[13-Apr-2007 08:58:32] <chet> jp10558: I'm working on something else at the moment, but could you put the output at a pastebin somewhere so I can see it?
[13-Apr-2007 08:58:44] <jp10558> sure
[13-Apr-2007 08:58:46] <jp10558> thanks
[13-Apr-2007 09:04:59] <jp10558> hmm, pastebin seems to be down - get an error
[13-Apr-2007 09:05:11] <jp10558> Query failure: Can't open file: 'pastebin.MYI'. (errno: 145)
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[13-Apr-2007 09:52:00] <chet> jp10558: Try pastebin.mozilla.org. It's more reliable.
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[13-Apr-2007 09:58:49] <litein> my alert emails come across as zenoss@localhost.localdomain. Where do you change it to reflect my domain?
[13-Apr-2007 09:59:52] <chet> $ZENHOME/etc/zenactions.conf
[13-Apr-2007 10:00:08] <chet> Add a line like "fromaddr zenoss@yourdomain.com"
[13-Apr-2007 10:00:26] <chet> Then restart zenactions
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[13-Apr-2007 10:06:05] <jp10558> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/7141
[13-Apr-2007 10:06:05] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[13-Apr-2007 10:06:06] <jp10558> there you go. Thanks again for the help
[13-Apr-2007 10:07:08] <chet> And you ran this with the -F option to force it?
[13-Apr-2007 10:24:48] <jp10558> I used zenmodeler run --force --device=devicename
[13-Apr-2007 10:24:59] <jp10558> and replaced devicename with localhost
[13-Apr-2007 10:25:43] <chet> Try deleting the localhost device in Zenoss, then adding a new device with its fully-qualified domain name.
[13-Apr-2007 10:26:39] <jp10558> I've done that, hence why I went to localhost
[13-Apr-2007 10:26:55] <jp10558> should I delete + readd FQDN
[13-Apr-2007 10:27:00] <jp10558> and then do force with that?
[13-Apr-2007 10:28:49] <chet> Sure. I don't think it ever makes sense to monitor a device called "localhost" or a 127.0.0.1 IP. After all, if you move Zenoss to another system, or distribute collectors to other machines this becomes ambiguous.
[13-Apr-2007 10:29:53] <litein> i am still getting zenoss@localhost.localdomain even after restarting zenactions
[13-Apr-2007 10:33:01] <litein> nm got it working now.
[13-Apr-2007 10:36:11] <litein> ok. now in the alert email the links are pointing to localhost.localdomain. How do I change that to reflect my server?
[13-Apr-2007 10:36:33] <chet> I suppose I should have seen that coming. =}
[13-Apr-2007 10:36:42] <chet> in the same zenactions.conf file add this line:
[13-Apr-2007 10:37:14] <chet> zopeurl http://yourzenoss.yourdomain.com:8080
[13-Apr-2007 10:37:37] <litein> awesome. thanks. this is a great support group.
[13-Apr-2007 10:38:13] <chet> It's just getting started. A few weeks ago nobody answered questions in here.
[13-Apr-2007 10:38:29] <chet> I hope you continue to idle around and bestow your learnings on others. =}
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[13-Apr-2007 10:38:47] <litein> yes i will.
[13-Apr-2007 10:42:06] <litein> ok. my next question is changing hostname. I have added a line to /etc/hosts that say x.x.x.x server.domain server and I have left the line that says localhost.localdomain. After I restart everything I get heart beat errors for localhost.localdomain.
[13-Apr-2007 10:42:35] <chet> Try going to Event Manager and clearing heartbeats.
[13-Apr-2007 10:43:11] <chet> If zenoss has old heartbeats from your daemons@localhost it will expect more. Once you clear them out it should no longer expect them.
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[13-Apr-2007 10:44:06] <donny_baker> noob question... concerning windows machines
[13-Apr-2007 10:44:27] <donny_baker> I have no problems getting them connected, but I get no graphs on the perf page
[13-Apr-2007 10:44:56] <chet> donny_baker: This usually means that you haven't installed SNMP-Informant on the Windows system.
[13-Apr-2007 10:45:20] <chet> SNMP-Informant extends the standard Windows (NT/2K/XP/2K3) SNMP MIB to allow monitoring of common performance counters.
[13-Apr-2007 10:45:24] <donny_baker> ah, thanks... i will do that, because I haven't
[13-Apr-2007 10:46:59] <litein> when clearing you mean ack
[13-Apr-2007 10:47:21] <chet> litein: Actually, if you click on the "Event Manager" link on the left there is a button called "Clear Heartbeats"
[13-Apr-2007 10:47:36] <chet> litein: After doing that, move those heartbeat alerts to history and hopefully they won't come back.
[13-Apr-2007 10:47:40] <litein> ok.thanks
[13-Apr-2007 10:48:46] <jp10558> Ok, I deleted and re-added it as FQDN
[13-Apr-2007 10:49:04] <jp10558> still nothing in OS tab right after re-add, but that does take a little while to populate IIRC
[13-Apr-2007 10:49:38] <jp10558> I'll wait, but I will say, it's add screen was shorter
[13-Apr-2007 10:49:41] <jp10558> than normal
[13-Apr-2007 10:49:42] <litein> if any alert is trigged and an email is sent. will it send any more email out by default.
[13-Apr-2007 10:50:17] <chet> jp10558: When you say there's nothing on the OS tab.. you mean NOTHING? No interfaces/filesystems/routes?
[13-Apr-2007 10:50:29] <chet> litein: No.. no repeating.
[13-Apr-2007 10:51:02] <chet> litein: Even if the same alert happens again.. it will likely have the same "dedupid" and be rolled into the same alert.
[13-Apr-2007 10:51:29] <litein> great.
[13-Apr-2007 10:53:00] <litein> if I am monitoring switches can I monitor the throughtput on a switch port?
[13-Apr-2007 10:53:51] <chet> litein: Yup.. if it's an "ethernetCsmacd" type interface it will be done automatically.
[13-Apr-2007 10:54:20] <litein> they are cisco switches so they should be
[13-Apr-2007 10:54:42] <chet> Yeah.. they will be.
[13-Apr-2007 10:55:02] <eGGstain> so I am not a centos/RH person an dI hate RPM's...I am trying to upgrade from mysql4 to mysql5 I get getting package required error messages and it is starting to aggravate me Does anyone have a quick this is what you need and or do this to get sql5 and python updated on centos4.4
[13-Apr-2007 10:55:17] <chet> Throughput in bps, packets/sec and errors will be graphed.
[13-Apr-2007 10:55:37] <chet> eGGstain: yeah
[13-Apr-2007 10:56:24] <litein> why can I see graphs on some devices not on others.
[13-Apr-2007 10:56:33] <eGGstain> great...chet you are alot of help in this channel: thanks
[13-Apr-2007 10:57:22] <chet> eGGstain: Enable your centosplus repository in /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo
[13-Apr-2007 10:58:02] <chet> eGGstain: then yum update, yum upgrade.
[13-Apr-2007 10:58:16] <chet> eGGstain: That'll get you a good enough version of MySQL straight from the CentOS folks.
[13-Apr-2007 10:58:26] <donny_baker> ~chet++
[13-Apr-2007 10:58:29] <donny_baker> thanks
[13-Apr-2007 10:58:36] <eGGstain> awesome thanks again
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[13-Apr-2007 10:59:19] <chet> eGGstain: Python is a bit trickier. I think the best solution is to install 2.4.? from source straight into the zenoss home directory.
[13-Apr-2007 10:59:28] <chet> Where does the RPM put it? /usr/local/zenoss?
[13-Apr-2007 10:59:36] <litein> nm chet I answered my own question.
[13-Apr-2007 10:59:44] <chet> litein: I figured you would. =}
[13-Apr-2007 11:03:33] <jp10558> chet: right, no interfaces/filesystyems/routes
[13-Apr-2007 11:05:02] <chet> jp10558: Do an snmpwalk of the system by the "Manage IP" on the status tab and pastebin it.
[13-Apr-2007 11:05:21] <chet> jp10558: It shouldn't take time for that data to populate. It should all be there right away after the device is modeled.
[13-Apr-2007 11:06:47] <chet> eGGstain: So you'd grab the latest python 2.4 source and install it like..
[13-Apr-2007 11:06:49] <jp10558> I'm not sure I follow
[13-Apr-2007 11:06:56] <jp10558> Oh wait
[13-Apr-2007 11:06:59] <chet> eGGstain: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 11:07:02] <chet> eGGstain: make install
[13-Apr-2007 11:07:24] <chet> eGGstain: There are a couple of tweaks you'll have to make to Zenoss to point it at this install once it's installed. Let me know when you get there.
[13-Apr-2007 11:08:12] <litein> how far back can you view historial data?
[13-Apr-2007 11:09:27] <chet> litein: It is never automatically truncated.
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[13-Apr-2007 11:10:20] <chet> litein: So forever if you never manually remove alerts from the history table.
[13-Apr-2007 11:10:53] <litein> right. what about traffic data on graphs.
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[13-Apr-2007 11:12:34] <chet> Never.. performance data is stored in RRD files. RRD = Round-Robin Database. The whole point is that data never expires, it just gets further summarized the older it is.
[13-Apr-2007 11:12:47] <litein> awesome
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:08] <jp10558> mmm, there doesn't seem to be snmpwalk installed, even with a yum install net-snmp
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:20] <jp10558> but I do have Tembria SNMP Browser on Windows
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:25] <spinegar> i keep getting the following error when installing zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:27] <spinegar> MySQL-client-standard >= 5.0.22 is needed by zenoss-1.1.1-0.i386
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:27] <spinegar> MySQL-server-standard >= 5.0.22 is needed by zenoss-1.1.1-0.i386
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:28] <chet> jp10558: yum install net-snmp-utils
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:37] <spinegar> im on version 5.0.26 for mySQL
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:56] <chet> spinegar: Then install it with --nodeps.
[13-Apr-2007 11:14:05] <spinegar> chet: will try, thanks
[13-Apr-2007 11:14:51] <spinegar> this is what i get now " file /etc/rc.d from install of zenoss-1.1.1-0 conflicts with file from package filesystem-10.2-22"
[13-Apr-2007 11:15:44] <jp10558> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/7155
[13-Apr-2007 11:15:44] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[13-Apr-2007 11:15:58] <jp10558> seems to be a config issue, but I did use just the rocommunity as suggested ?
[13-Apr-2007 11:16:43] <chet> litein: Oops.. I was mistaken about those RRD files. Zenoss by default creates the archives to have a maximum retention of 730 days.
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[13-Apr-2007 11:18:02] <chet> jp10558: mv /etc/snmp/snmp.conf /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf
[13-Apr-2007 11:18:06] <chet> jp10558: service restart snmpd
[13-Apr-2007 11:18:27] <chet> jp10558: snmp.conf is the SNMP client configuration file. snmpd.conf is the daemon configuration.
[13-Apr-2007 11:18:33] <spinegar> getting error " file /etc/rc.d from install of zenoss-1.1.1-0 conflicts with file from package filesystem-10.2-22" during install
[13-Apr-2007 11:18:37] <chet> jp10558: Hopefully your problem is as simple as that.
[13-Apr-2007 11:19:36] <chet> spinegar: Ack.. stick --replacefiles on your rpm command.
[13-Apr-2007 11:20:50] <chet> spinegar: They're re-working the RPM packages for the upcoming version.. hopefully all this stuff will be fixed then.
[13-Apr-2007 11:21:02] <spinegar> chat: good to know, thanks
[13-Apr-2007 11:21:27] <chet> spinegar: They're going to be making packages specific to each distribution since they can't agree one what to call the MySQL server package.
[13-Apr-2007 11:22:58] <eGGstain> chet: will do thanks
[13-Apr-2007 11:23:03] <spinegar> chet: thanks again...it installed this time
[13-Apr-2007 11:25:23] * drv4doe is away: I'm away
[13-Apr-2007 11:28:39] <jp10558> That was it! my bad
[13-Apr-2007 11:33:41] <jp10558> Thanks so much for the help
[13-Apr-2007 11:34:50] <chet> Sure thing, jp10558. That's one of those insidiously simple errors.
[13-Apr-2007 11:38:11] <_chris_> chet: the new RPMs are ready... we're just waiting for the 2.0 release to push 'em out
[13-Apr-2007 11:38:29] <chet> _chris_: Cool, and Hi.
[13-Apr-2007 11:38:44] <chet> I'm a trunker myself. =}
[13-Apr-2007 11:38:53] <chet> It's so pretty.
[13-Apr-2007 11:38:59] <_chris_> it is beautiful
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:03] <_chris_> ian kicks ass
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:23] <chet> I agree.. I feel like I should send him a cake or something.
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:29] <_chris_> hah
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:32] <_chris_> he would love that
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:33] <_chris_>
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:42] <chet> Maybe buy him lunch.. I work down in Lanham.
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:50] <_chris_> oh cool!
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:54] <_chris_> you should come by one day -
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:59] <_chris_> we all go out to lunch together on tuesdays
[13-Apr-2007 11:40:04] <_chris_> at Chris' Charcoal Pit in Annapolis
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[13-Apr-2007 11:48:10] <litein> What is the system relation used for?
[13-Apr-2007 11:49:36] <chet> Organizing your devices.. each root level system will show up on your dashboard.
[13-Apr-2007 11:50:34] <litein> So i can create a group call email and place all my email servers in there
[13-Apr-2007 11:51:05] <chet> Exactly.
[13-Apr-2007 11:51:08] <litein> so what is the different between systems and groups.
[13-Apr-2007 11:51:28] <chet> Groups are completely arbitrary and not used by Zenoss in any in particular.
[13-Apr-2007 11:51:36] <litein> ok
[13-Apr-2007 11:51:48] <chet> I use them for organizational roles for one.. like /Organizational/IT/Windows
[13-Apr-2007 11:52:02] <chet> .. /Organizational/IT/Network
[13-Apr-2007 11:52:29] <chet> Mainly used for my alerting rules.. so network guys only get alerts from routers/switches.. windows guys only get windows server alerts.
[13-Apr-2007 11:52:40] <chet> Of course you can use them for anything you want.
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[13-Apr-2007 12:04:21] <spinegar> this is going to sound really dumb...how do i run zenoss? i isntalled the rpm and from there im not sure what im supposed to do
[13-Apr-2007 12:05:50] <chet> spinegar: service start zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 12:06:01] <chet> spinegar: From there you should probably read the documentation.
[13-Apr-2007 12:07:25] <spinegar> that command didnt work. im running suse 10.2 if that helps
[13-Apr-2007 12:07:46] <chet> Sorry.. I know nothing about Suse.
[13-Apr-2007 12:09:43] <spinegar> can you point me to the right documentation? i am looking on the site but cant find much on it.
[13-Apr-2007 12:11:20] <chet> There's nothing for Suse.. try /etc/init.d/zenoss start
[13-Apr-2007 12:11:33] <spinegar> nothing there
[13-Apr-2007 12:11:35] <spinegar> tried that
[13-Apr-2007 12:11:48] <chet> Then su - zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 12:11:54] <chet> And try "zenoss start"
[13-Apr-2007 12:12:14] <spinegar> nothing
[13-Apr-2007 12:13:00] <spinegar> only thing that comes up for zen command wise is "zen-installer, zen-remover, and zen-updater"
[13-Apr-2007 12:13:32] <chet> Then your install isn't good. Maybe you should remove the RPM and go the source installation method.
[13-Apr-2007 12:13:43] <spinegar> okay, thanks for the help
[13-Apr-2007 12:13:44] <chet> I don't recall hearing about anyone running it on Suse.
[13-Apr-2007 12:14:04] <spinegar> i might be the first you hear about then
[13-Apr-2007 12:14:15] <chet> You're not running it yet. =}
[13-Apr-2007 12:14:24] <spinegar> thats why i said "might"
[13-Apr-2007 12:14:36] <chet> hehe..
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[13-Apr-2007 12:46:05] <eGGstain> chet: so the python is being MADE right now. what was that tricky zenoss bits you wanted to tell me about?
[13-Apr-2007 12:47:22] <chet> eGGstain: Zenoss should have installed a .bash_profile or .bashrc file into the zenoss user's home directory that defines its environment.. things like ZENHOME, etc..
[13-Apr-2007 12:47:24] <chet> Do you have that?
[13-Apr-2007 12:47:55] <eGGstain> I have not done the zenoss install yet - I thought python had to be done first?
[13-Apr-2007 12:48:16] <eGGstain> and does the zenoss install create the user or do I do that first?
[13-Apr-2007 12:48:28] <chet> eGGstain: I've never used the RPM installer, so I'm not quite sure.
[13-Apr-2007 12:48:33] <_chris_> eGCstain: if you install zenoss via the RPM it will create the user for you
[13-Apr-2007 12:48:42] <eGGstain> no im gonna build
[13-Apr-2007 12:48:43] <_chris_> if you do a source based install you have to make the user yourself
[13-Apr-2007 12:48:48] <eGGstain> ok
[13-Apr-2007 12:49:04] <_chris_> you'll also need to set up /etc/sudoers and set the filesystem permissions in /usr/local/zenoss or /opt/zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 12:49:12] <_chris_> so that the zenoss user can write to those directories
[13-Apr-2007 12:49:43] <eGGstain> great
[13-Apr-2007 12:49:55] <chet> I just made /opt/zenoss the zenoss user's home directory and did all the installation tasks as that user.. this way there's no confusion with the permissions.
[13-Apr-2007 12:50:09] <chet> This is the way the source install documentation states to do it anyway.
[13-Apr-2007 12:51:10] <eGGstain> that will work just fine for me
[13-Apr-2007 13:16:41] <monrad> is snmp collection not working with the newest trunk?
[13-Apr-2007 13:17:17] <chet> monrad: It works for me, but I'm still running the pysnmp engine.
[13-Apr-2007 13:17:50] <monrad> the old one?
[13-Apr-2007 13:17:52] <chet> I tested the pynetsnmp engine briefly, but ran into some weird inconsistencies and didn't have time to document them for the devs.
[13-Apr-2007 13:17:53] <chet> yeah
[13-Apr-2007 13:17:59] <monrad> i think i still have that
[13-Apr-2007 13:18:10] <spinegar> whats the default zenoss username and password?
[13-Apr-2007 13:18:21] <monrad> admin/zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 13:18:26] <monrad> i think
[13-Apr-2007 13:19:08] <monrad> chet: is there an easy way to check if i am useing the new pynetsnmp?
[13-Apr-2007 13:19:27] <chet> Do you have a directory called $ZENHOME/lib/python/pynetsmp ?
[13-Apr-2007 13:19:59] <monrad> yes
[13-Apr-2007 13:20:14] <monrad> i guess i can just delete that and it falls back to the old one?
[13-Apr-2007 13:20:22] <chet> eGGstain: I have a quick HOWTO for setting up Zenoss from source on RHEL4 and derivatives at http://chet.crashed.net/zenoss_rhel4.txt if you're interested.
[13-Apr-2007 13:20:25] <chet> monrad: You guess correctly.
[13-Apr-2007 13:20:49] <monrad>
[13-Apr-2007 13:22:06] <eGGstain> chet: very nice - thanks
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[13-Apr-2007 13:24:13] <monrad> hmm i have heartbeat failures on zenmodeler, zenperfsnmp, zenprocess, zenperfxmlprc, zenevent and zencommand
[13-Apr-2007 13:24:40] <chet> zenevent == zenxevent ?
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[13-Apr-2007 13:25:09] <monrad> yes zenxevent
[13-Apr-2007 13:25:19] <chet> zenxevent no longer exists.. so I wouldn't worry about that one.
[13-Apr-2007 13:25:24] <monrad> ah ok
[13-Apr-2007 13:25:32] <chet> Any errors in the zenperfsnmp.log ?
[13-Apr-2007 13:25:51] <monrad> 2007-04-13 19:20:43 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: zenperfsnmp shutting down <- i got 4 such lines
[13-Apr-2007 13:26:44] <chet> Did you restart all of those daemons after removing that pynetsnmp directory?
[13-Apr-2007 13:27:13] <monrad> yes
[13-Apr-2007 13:27:20] <chet> Are they running?
[13-Apr-2007 13:28:13] <monrad> well a ps aux shows them
[13-Apr-2007 13:29:27] <monrad> i just tried to run it in debug mode
[13-Apr-2007 13:29:28] <monrad> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:Logging in as admin
[13-Apr-2007 13:29:29] <monrad> Traceback from remote host -- Traceback unavailable
[13-Apr-2007 13:29:31] <monrad> stops with that
[13-Apr-2007 13:33:16] <monrad> hmm strange
[13-Apr-2007 13:33:50] <chet> monrad: Ah.. I know what that is.. one minute.
[13-Apr-2007 13:42:16] <chet> monrad: Do you have a $ZENHOME/etc/hubpasswd file?
[13-Apr-2007 13:47:12] <monrad> chet: nope
[13-Apr-2007 13:47:17] <monrad> should i have one?
[13-Apr-2007 13:47:23] <chet> Create it with this in it:
[13-Apr-2007 13:47:26] <chet> admin:zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 13:47:40] <chet> Then restart zenhub and the other daemons that are failing.
[13-Apr-2007 13:47:57] <monrad> and change if i change that password
[13-Apr-2007 13:48:15] <chet> monrad: Actually.. no, it's a completely different password from zope/zenoss.
[13-Apr-2007 13:48:27] <chet> monrad: Probably just a temporary hack until they develop a real auth system for zenhub.
[13-Apr-2007 13:48:48] <monrad> ah ok
[13-Apr-2007 13:48:50] <monrad> thx
[13-Apr-2007 13:50:52] <monrad> works now
[13-Apr-2007 13:51:16] <monrad> well seems like its doing something now
[13-Apr-2007 13:52:57] <eGGstain> chet: following your instructions and when I do the make install of python I get a libinstall error
[13-Apr-2007 13:53:06] <eGGstain> make: *** [libinstall] Error 1
[13-Apr-2007 13:53:25] <chet> oh.. try doing a make followed by make install.
[13-Apr-2007 13:53:36] <chet> I've heard of people having problems going straight for the install.
[13-Apr-2007 13:55:38] <monrad> chet: do you use the ./install.sh or the makefile?
[13-Apr-2007 13:55:51] <eGGstain> chet: that was it bud
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:16] <eGGstain> ImportError: No module named distutils.core
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:26] <eGGstain> from the last line of my zenbuild.log
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:53] <eGGstain> Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix>
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:53] <eGGstain> Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix>
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:53] <eGGstain> Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>]
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:53] <eGGstain> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:53] <eGGstain> Traceback (most recent call last):
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:54] <eGGstain> File "setup.py", line 10, in ?
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:56] <eGGstain> from distutils.core import setup
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:58] <eGGstain> ImportError: No module named distutils.core
[13-Apr-2007 14:18:28] <chet> eGGstain: What does "which python" show?
[13-Apr-2007 14:18:55] <eGGstain> hmmmm /usr/bin/python
[13-Apr-2007 14:19:17] <chet> You modified the .bash_profile, right?
[13-Apr-2007 14:19:25] <chet> If so, logout and back in.
[13-Apr-2007 14:20:14] <eGGstain> yes
[13-Apr-2007 14:20:17] <eGGstain> let me check
[13-Apr-2007 14:21:28] <eGGstain> no it is correct - I ran which python from my user
[13-Apr-2007 14:21:54] <eGGstain> from zenoss user it comes up ~/bin/python
[13-Apr-2007 14:22:36] <chet> You were running the install.sh from the zenoss user, right?
[13-Apr-2007 14:23:05] <eGGstain> yep
[13-Apr-2007 14:23:38] <chet> Do you have a $ZENHOM/lib/python2.4/distutils/ directory?
[13-Apr-2007 14:25:14] <eGGstain> nope
[13-Apr-2007 14:25:44] <chet> Strange.. the python install should have put that there. I don't think it installed properly. Go back into your python source directory and do a make clean.
[13-Apr-2007 14:25:53] <chet> Then do the configure, make, make install steps again.
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[13-Apr-2007 14:27:45] <eGGstain> chet; redoing it now
[13-Apr-2007 14:36:32] <eGGstain> installing epydoc
[13-Apr-2007 14:36:32] <eGGstain> gmake: *** [epydoc-install] Error 1
[13-Apr-2007 14:36:32] <eGGstain> unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log
[13-Apr-2007 14:37:58] <eGGstain> chet: gmake[2]: Entering directory `/opt/zenoss/zenossinst/build/rrdtool-1.2.15'
[13-Apr-2007 14:37:58] <eGGstain> gmake[3]: Entering directory `/opt/zenoss/zenossinst/build/rrdtool-1.2.15'
[13-Apr-2007 14:37:58] <eGGstain> gmake[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
[13-Apr-2007 14:37:58] <eGGstain> gmake[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'.
[13-Apr-2007 14:37:58] <eGGstain> gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/opt/zenoss/zenossinst/build/rrdtool-1.2.15'
[13-Apr-2007 14:37:59] <eGGstain> gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/opt/zenoss/zenossinst/build/rrdtool-1.2.15'
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:01] <eGGstain> gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/zenoss/zenossinst/build/rrdtool-1.2.15'
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:03] <eGGstain> Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix>
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:05] <eGGstain> Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix>
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:07] <eGGstain> Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>]
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:09] <eGGstain> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:13] <eGGstain> Traceback (most recent call last):
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:15] <eGGstain> File "setup.py", line 10, in ?
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:17] <eGGstain> from distutils.core import setup
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:19] <eGGstain> ImportError: No module named distutils.core
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[13-Apr-2007 14:40:45] <_chris_> hi mrhinkle
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[13-Apr-2007 14:42:31] <_chris_> eGGstain: that's weird
[13-Apr-2007 14:42:36] <_chris_> no distutils?
[13-Apr-2007 14:42:41] <_chris_> what happens when you do this:
[13-Apr-2007 14:42:48] <_chris_> python -c 'import distutils.core'
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[13-Apr-2007 15:19:39] <eGGstain> $ python -c 'import distutils.core'
[13-Apr-2007 15:19:39] <eGGstain> Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix>
[13-Apr-2007 15:19:39] <eGGstain> Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix>
[13-Apr-2007 15:19:39] <eGGstain> Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>]
[13-Apr-2007 15:19:39] <eGGstain> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
[13-Apr-2007 15:19:40] <eGGstain> Traceback (most recent call last):
[13-Apr-2007 15:19:44] <eGGstain> File "<string>", line 1, in ?
[13-Apr-2007 15:19:46] <eGGstain> ImportError: No module named distutils.core
[13-Apr-2007 15:24:29] <chet> eGGstain: Do you have anything under $ZENHOME/lib/python2.4 ?
[13-Apr-2007 15:26:10] <dan__t> er.,... are Perf settings and perf data managed by a template on a per-device basis?
[13-Apr-2007 15:26:29] <eGGstain> i have $ZENHOME/lib/ in the lib directory all I have is about 30 libs and a pkgconfig dir and a python dir - not a python2.4
[13-Apr-2007 15:27:23] <eGGstain> in python I some python scripts and a boatload of dir
[13-Apr-2007 15:27:27] <eGGstain> 's
[13-Apr-2007 15:27:41] <eGGstain> from AccessControl to ZTUtils
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[13-Apr-2007 15:29:24] <chet> eGGstain: Those are the libs that Zenoss installs.. not Python.
[13-Apr-2007 15:29:52] <chet> eGGstain: Did you install into /opt/zenoss?
[13-Apr-2007 15:30:03] <eGGstain> the python ./config, make, and make install seem to go great
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[13-Apr-2007 15:30:09] <eGGstain> yes i did
[13-Apr-2007 15:30:26] <eGGstain> ./configure --prefix=/opt/zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 15:30:49] <eGGstain> --enable-unicode="SOMETHING HERE FRMO YOUR WEBSITE"
[13-Apr-2007 15:30:52] <_chris_> looks like your python installation is really off
[13-Apr-2007 15:30:57] <_chris_> does it work for other stuff?
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[13-Apr-2007 15:31:13] <_chris_> did you install python by hand or are you using your distro's version of python?
[13-Apr-2007 15:31:20] <eGGstain> source
[13-Apr-2007 15:31:40] <_chris_> does your linux vendor have a pre-built version of python you can install?
[13-Apr-2007 15:32:07] <eGGstain> not a recent enough ver. for zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 15:32:36] <_chris_> i would do a ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/python-2.4/
[13-Apr-2007 15:32:44] <_chris_> and install python there rather than /opt/zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 15:38:03] <eGGstain> python 2.3 is installed - i think by default
[13-Apr-2007 15:38:36] <eGGstain> i asked yum to remove it and it said it was going to remove 64 packages including YUM
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[13-Apr-2007 15:50:41] <chet> eGGstain: Try this..
[13-Apr-2007 15:50:55] <eGGstain> chet, im ready
[13-Apr-2007 15:50:56] <chet> eGGstain: In /opt/zenoss..
[13-Apr-2007 15:51:08] <chet> rm -Rf bin Product lib
[13-Apr-2007 15:51:41] <chet> eGGstain: Then go into your Python2.4 source directory... do a make clean, then the configure, make, make install again..
[13-Apr-2007 15:51:54] <eGGstain> Products?
[13-Apr-2007 15:51:56] <chet> eGGstain: Then run the ./install.sh from the zenossinst directory again.
[13-Apr-2007 15:52:26] <chet> eGGstain: I think Python didn't install the libraries because the binary already existed.
[13-Apr-2007 15:53:01] <chet> eGGstain: If you don't have it, zenoss didn't install it.. that's fine.
[13-Apr-2007 15:53:07] <eGGstain> ok
[13-Apr-2007 15:53:18] <eGGstain> removed and doing the config make make install
[13-Apr-2007 15:53:32] <chet> Once you do python's make install, verify that you do have /opt/zenoss/lib/python2.4
[13-Apr-2007 15:53:45] <chet> and distutils in there while you're at it.
[13-Apr-2007 15:54:16] <eGGstain> ok any idea on the python 2.3 that is preinstalled - would that be messing with it
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[13-Apr-2007 15:55:07] <chet> eGGstain: Nope, not a problem. That's how I run.
[13-Apr-2007 15:55:13] <eGGstain> k
[13-Apr-2007 16:00:04] <eGGstain> chet, ok so I am getting alot of this during the make
[13-Apr-2007 16:00:05] <eGGstain> /opt/zenoss/src/Python-2.4.4/Modules/_curses_panel.c:412: error: `PANEL' undeclared (first use in this function)
[13-Apr-2007 16:00:05] <eGGstain> /opt/zenoss/src/Python-2.4.4/Modules/_curses_panel.c:412: error: `pan' undeclared (first use in this function)
[13-Apr-2007 16:00:05] <eGGstain> /opt/zenoss/src/Python-2.4.4/Modules/_curses_panel.c:413: error: `po' undeclared (first use in this function)
[13-Apr-2007 16:00:05] <eGGstain> /opt/zenoss/src/Python-2.4.4/Modules/_curses_panel.c: In function `PyCurses_update_panels':
[13-Apr-2007 16:00:07] <eGGstain> /opt/zenoss/src/Python-2.4.4/Modules/_curses_panel.c:437: warning: implicit declaration of function `update_panels'
[13-Apr-2007 16:01:50] <eGGstain> chet, BUT......it appears the make install is working this time
[13-Apr-2007 16:04:05] <eGGstain> running install.sh
[13-Apr-2007 16:04:12] <eGGstain> i'll le tyou know
[13-Apr-2007 16:16:43] <eGGstain> still failing on epydoc-install
[13-Apr-2007 16:18:48] <chet> Did you check to see if you have the /opt/zenoss/lib/python2.4 directory?
[13-Apr-2007 16:21:49] <eGGstain> damn it still isnt there
[13-Apr-2007 16:21:59] <eGGstain> i must be doing something wrong
[13-Apr-2007 16:22:46] <chet> hmm.. what does "rpm -aq|grep curses" show?
[13-Apr-2007 16:23:45] <eGGstain> ncurses-5.4-13
[13-Apr-2007 16:24:35] <eGGstain> ill be back
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[13-Apr-2007 17:50:06] <Gamekiller77> hello all again
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:18] <_chris_> hello Gamekiller77
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:30] <Gamekiller77> well i got my server up and running but when i try and do a discovery thing i get errors
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:41] <Gamekiller77> 2007-04-13 14:49:23 INFO zen Executing command: zendisc run --net=Networks
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:41] <Gamekiller77> 2007-04-13 14:49:26 INFO zen ERROR:zen.ZenDisc:Error performing net discovery on network Networks not found in dmd
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:41] <Gamekiller77> 2007-04-13 14:49:26 INFO zen Traceback (most recent call last):
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:41] <Gamekiller77> 2007-04-13 14:49:26 INFO zen File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/zendisc.py", line 187, in run
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:42] <Gamekiller77> 2007-04-13 14:49:26 INFO zen raise SystemExit("network %s not found in dmd" % net)
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:44] <Gamekiller77> 2007-04-13 14:49:26 INFO zen SystemExit: network Networks not found in dmd
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:46] <Gamekiller77> 2007-04-13 14:49:26 INFO zen Done
[13-Apr-2007 17:51:35] <Gamekiller77> any idea guys
[13-Apr-2007 17:51:43] <_chris_> you're running this on the command line?
[13-Apr-2007 17:51:46] <_chris_> zendisc run --net=Networks
[13-Apr-2007 17:52:23] <Gamekiller77> no
[13-Apr-2007 17:52:24] <Gamekiller77> should i
[13-Apr-2007 17:52:29] <Gamekiller77> i use the web site
[13-Apr-2007 17:52:41] <_chris_> nah.. i don't really know. i don't use zendisc
[13-Apr-2007 17:52:48] <_chris_> seems odd tho that we'd pass "Networks"
[13-Apr-2007 17:52:50] <_chris_> rather than something like
[13-Apr-2007 17:52:53] <_chris_> 192.168.1.0/24
[13-Apr-2007 17:53:04] <Gamekiller77> well i would want to do that
[13-Apr-2007 17:53:11] <Gamekiller77> where do i set that is what i want to know
[13-Apr-2007 17:53:24] <Gamekiller77> when i go to /networks
[13-Apr-2007 17:53:31] <Gamekiller77> i have all my subnets listed there
[13-Apr-2007 17:53:49] <Gamekiller77> then i go to the pull down and select the dicovery devices and i get that error
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[13-Apr-2007 18:11:39] <Gamekiller77> i think i have to do this
[13-Apr-2007 18:11:40] <Gamekiller77> $ zendmd
[13-Apr-2007 18:11:40] <Gamekiller77> >>> for ip in dmd.Networks._getOb('192.168.1.0').ipaddresses():
[13-Apr-2007 18:11:40] <Gamekiller77> .... dmd.DeviceLoader.loadDevice(ip.id, discoverProto=None)
[13-Apr-2007 18:19:28] <Gamekiller77> has any one ever done this
[13-Apr-2007 18:19:33] <Gamekiller77> in the zendmd console
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[13-Apr-2007 19:20:36] <Gamekiller77> is any one running zenwin here
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[13-Apr-2007 19:32:09] <Gamekiller77> that sucks the remove devices is not work
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[13-Apr-2007 20:01:23] <tseven> how would one uninstall zenoss ?
[13-Apr-2007 20:01:33] <dan__t> rpm -qa|grep -i zenoss|xargs rpm --erase
[13-Apr-2007 20:01:45] <dan__t> because you used a package, or made a package, or configured a prefix from the source, right?
[13-Apr-2007 20:02:06] <tseven> *nod*
[13-Apr-2007 20:02:11] <dan__t>
[13-Apr-2007 20:03:32] <tseven> hrmm
[13-Apr-2007 20:03:37] <tseven> didn't seem to do the trick
[13-Apr-2007 20:06:01] <tseven> scratch that,.. it just left the config files behind
[13-Apr-2007 20:06:26] <tseven> thank you sir dan__t
[13-Apr-2007 20:07:40] <dan__t> What was your installation method?
[13-Apr-2007 20:14:52] <tseven> rpm
[13-Apr-2007 20:14:57] <tseven> i spoke too soon
[13-Apr-2007 20:30:11] <dan__t> ok then.
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[14-Apr-2007 02:58:22] <HotShells> good mornning, can some one help me please.. about zenoss
[14-Apr-2007 02:59:33] <HotShells> guys!
[14-Apr-2007 02:59:51] <HotShells> its about Add Device
[14-Apr-2007 03:09:19] <HotShells> :s
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[14-Apr-2007 06:19:16] <tanjianaus> hi everyone - I have an event related question if there are any event manager experts out there
[14-Apr-2007 06:20:47] <tanjianaus> I would like to record 'root cause' for all failures related to availability - I'm thinking the best way is to have the 'clear' event generate a new event 'root cause determination - evt.description_of_previous_event instance'
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[14-Apr-2007 07:21:19] <tanjianaus> hi everyone - I have an event related question if there are any event manager experts out there
[14-Apr-2007 07:21:24] <tanjianaus> I would like to record 'root cause' for all failures related to availability - I'm thinking the best way is to have the 'clear' event generate a new event 'root cause determination - evt.description_of_previous_event instance'
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[14-Apr-2007 11:04:01] <litein> any there any plugins available for exchange?
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[14-Apr-2007 22:54:05] <dan__t> beh
[14-Apr-2007 22:54:08] <dan__t> false positives on the weekend
[14-Apr-2007 22:54:23] <dan__t> I remember cacti used an SNMP and ping setup to detect if a host was down or not
[14-Apr-2007 22:54:34] <dan__t> Does Zenoss have something similar, to prevent false positives?
[14-Apr-2007 23:08:07] <dan__t> yea... this is a drag heh
[14-Apr-2007 23:23:52] <dan__t> Ok, well, 500 txt messages later - I'm turning alerts off.
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[15-Apr-2007 10:00:29] <Daveyboy> hello
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[15-Apr-2007 10:01:49] <Daveyboy> i installed zenoss but now do not appear to have access to apache or phpmyadmin or any other interface accessed through web client
[15-Apr-2007 10:03:43] <Daveyboy> anyone?
[15-Apr-2007 10:05:00] <Daveyboy> running ubuntu linux server
[15-Apr-2007 10:07:37] <Daveyboy> well actually, phpmyadmin is good and a test.php page comes up, but unable to access port 8333 (vmware server mui)
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[15-Apr-2007 15:14:43] <massctrl> hello, i'm currently using Nagios offering a commercial service. I've bumped into zenoss and it looks very interesting. I read that plugins of nagios can be used with zenoss,.... Now is it possible to define the tresholds for a nagios plugin within the interface of zenos?
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[15-Apr-2007 18:10:41] <Igbothom_III> ok - quick Q: What's *not* going to be in the OSS Zenoss packages that are needed to be bought, and what's the pricing gonna be like?
[15-Apr-2007 18:18:07] <bzed> Igbothom_III: I doubt anybody here can answer questions about commercial stuff. contacting zenoss is probably the best way to get an answer
[15-Apr-2007 18:18:21] <Igbothom_III> furry muff
[15-Apr-2007 18:18:24] <Igbothom_III> shall do
[15-Apr-2007 18:19:23] <massctrl> anyone of you guys has experience using nagios plugins in zenoss?
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[15-Apr-2007 18:34:12] <Igbothom_III> bzed, sent
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[15-Apr-2007 20:12:35] <dan__t> Hi.
[15-Apr-2007 20:15:21] <dan__t> I find that I have way too many false positives here with Zenoss. With Cacti, it used both SNMP and Ping to determine if a host was down. The machine that I use for monitoring is based in Dallas at EV1, and they certainly don't have the best record of routes set up. with that, routes are in fact sometimes broken at the exact time Zenoss polls my stuff.
[15-Apr-2007 20:21:46] <Igbothom_III> so, when Zenoss polls, the box is down, yet you don't want that reported as being down?
[15-Apr-2007 20:23:24] <dan__t> Its not down. A route is down or lagging between the monitoring box, and my clients - momentarily.
[15-Apr-2007 20:23:38] <dan__t> I guess I should just stop being lazy, and get a monitoring box with a real provider, huh
[15-Apr-2007 20:23:41] <bzed> what would be worth an alert for me
[15-Apr-2007 20:23:53] <Igbothom_III> then configure it for, say, a result of 3 successive downs generates a down event, but one or two doesn't
[15-Apr-2007 20:24:07] <dan__t> I could do that.
[15-Apr-2007 20:24:23] <Igbothom_III> to my way of thinking, uncontactable = down
[15-Apr-2007 20:25:54] <dan__t> I guess what I'm getting at, is if there's any way to get any further investigation of a downed device, i.e. polling that same device 15 seconds later if it initially reported as down or something like that.
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[16-Apr-2007 00:32:12] <chairuou|work> I've added some cisco router with exactly SNMP RO string, but no interfaces showed and/or display graph...what I am wrong?
[16-Apr-2007 00:39:33] <Snake-Eyes> chairuou|work, which class did you put the router under ? what happens when you collect config ?
[16-Apr-2007 00:53:05] <chairuou|work> Snake-Eyes: I've putted it in Network/Router/Cisco
[16-Apr-2007 00:53:18] <chairuou|work> When I collect config...nothing happen
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[16-Apr-2007 01:28:21] <Snake-Eyes> chairuou|work, i would do a snmpwalk of your router from zenoss machine to check the details are correct and that zenoss machine has access to the router
[16-Apr-2007 02:08:01] <chairuou|work> Snake-Eyes, tks
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[16-Apr-2007 03:51:08] <chairuou|work> only FastEthernet interface has graph, all Serial interfaces has no graph....what I am wrong ?
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[16-Apr-2007 04:02:18] <N[]VA> Ola
[16-Apr-2007 04:12:52] <Igbothom_III> hhmmm, isn't zenwin meant to be able to obtain snmp data from other devices (Windows or other) on a LAN segment?
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[16-Apr-2007 04:15:01] <chairuou> only FastEthernet interface has graph, all Serial interfaces has no graph....what I am wrong ?
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[16-Apr-2007 11:53:05] <elux> hi
[16-Apr-2007 11:53:25] <elux> ive been evaluating different network monitoring systems
[16-Apr-2007 11:53:31] <elux> and ive been wondering if zenoss works on freebsd
[16-Apr-2007 11:53:50] <elux> and its capabilities of monitoring a particular service. ie. http, ssh, ftp, mysql
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[16-Apr-2007 12:40:55] <x03> someone use zenoss whith openbsd ?*
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[16-Apr-2007 14:51:46] <dan__t> does Zenoss support "baselining" like Cacti's threshold plugin does?
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[17-Apr-2007 04:02:38] <Nereus> morning
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[17-Apr-2007 04:39:58] <chairuou|work> Snake-Eyes: snmp-walk return lot of info from router....look like my setting on snmp string OK, but in Devices/OS still show up nothing
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[17-Apr-2007 08:05:47] <slav0nic> hi, iinstall zenoss and has error xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: no element found: line 1, column 0
[17-Apr-2007 08:05:56] <slav0nic> when open it in browser
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[17-Apr-2007 09:33:18] <Igbothom_III> question...
[17-Apr-2007 09:34:08] <Igbothom_III> if I want to monitor multiple devices on a remote (say a client's) LAN that go thru a NAT box, some being SNMP devices (printers, switches, routers) and others being Windows boxen, how would I handle this with Zenoss/zenwin?
[17-Apr-2007 09:39:27] <Igbothom_III> oh, and by the way, WTF is zenwin? What does it actually provide that snmp-informant's basic (freebie) component doesn't? I know that snmp-informant's additional (pay-for) components offer more MIBs, and that's fine, but what does zenwin actually do that snmp-informant doesn't do?
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[17-Apr-2007 09:48:13] <chet> Igbothom_III: I'll answer that last question first since it's easier..
[17-Apr-2007 09:48:52] <chet> Igbothom_III: Informant allows you to get performance data from Windows systems related to CPU/RAM/FileSystem/Disk..
[17-Apr-2007 09:49:15] <chet> Igbothom_III: Zenwin allows you to monitor Windows services and event logs.
[17-Apr-2007 09:50:35] <chet> Igbothom_III: I'm assuming that the scenario in your first question implies that you only have a single NAT address with the ability to port-forward into the internal network?
[17-Apr-2007 09:51:58] <chet> Igbothom_III: If that's the case, Zenoss really can't gracefully handle monitoring multiple devices via the same IP. The best way to solve the problem would be to setup some sort of VPN tunnel between your Zenoss site and the client's site so that each device can be monitored as if you were on the local LAN.
[17-Apr-2007 09:52:56] <chet> Igbothom_III: My favorite VPN software for this purpose is OpenVPN. It is very simple to use, secure and works on lots of platforms: Linux, Windows, *BSD, OSX..
[17-Apr-2007 09:53:21] <Igbothom_III> snmp-informant vs zenwin - cool, got it, thanks
[17-Apr-2007 09:53:43] <Igbothom_III> VPN = not gonna happen
[17-Apr-2007 09:54:04] <chet> I know it's a waste of time, but why not?
[17-Apr-2007 09:56:45] <Igbothom_III> well, we have multiple sites that we need to monitor - client sites, not other branches - and I don't have the need for a VPN connection to them, nor do I want to join our network and theirs
[17-Apr-2007 09:59:31] <Igbothom_III> and I especially don't want to join one of them to another one
[17-Apr-2007 09:59:40] <chet> Using a VPN doesn't imply that you'd be joining the networks. Maybe a better name for it would be tunneling in this instance. You'd only tunnel the specifically required traffic.
[17-Apr-2007 09:59:56] <chet> Igbothom_III: Then make sure ip_forwarding is disabled on your OpenVPN endpoint. SImple. =}
[17-Apr-2007 10:00:15] <Igbothom_III> no vpns - not gonna work in our situation
[17-Apr-2007 10:00:33] <Igbothom_III> (and yes, I know how to not have ip forwarding enabled
[17-Apr-2007 10:00:51] <Igbothom_III> especially for laptops in the field
[17-Apr-2007 10:00:52] <Igbothom_III>
[17-Apr-2007 10:01:05] <chet> Weird.. is it just the semantics of the term VPN? After all, NAT and VPN are both just encapsulation techniques.
[17-Apr-2007 10:01:49] <chet> You could easily say that anything performing NAT is just a very insecure VPN gateway. =}
[17-Apr-2007 10:02:12] <chet> Sorry.. I'm just going off on a tangent.
[17-Apr-2007 10:02:22] <Igbothom_III>
[17-Apr-2007 10:02:39] <Igbothom_III> and most sites are Windows sites with no Loonix/BSD boxes in them
[17-Apr-2007 10:02:44] <chet> There's another way to do what you want, but it is a heckuva lot more complicated.
[17-Apr-2007 10:03:12] <chet> Then there's no way to do it.. the complicated way requires a zenoss distributed poller at the client location.
[17-Apr-2007 10:03:19] <chet> Like I said.. OpenVPN runs just fine on Windows.
[17-Apr-2007 10:03:29] <Igbothom_III> not in our situation
[17-Apr-2007 10:03:49] <Igbothom_III> will the poller report to us over the Internet, not a vpn?
[17-Apr-2007 10:04:02] <chet> It could.
[17-Apr-2007 10:04:33] <chet> It would connect back to your Zenoss server over the Internet. Obviously not a very secure solution.
[17-Apr-2007 10:06:07] <chet> If your client were at all savvy, they'd have full access to your ZODB.. which is unauthenticated.
[17-Apr-2007 10:06:15] <Igbothom_III> it is if we lock the port down to an IP
[17-Apr-2007 10:06:26] <Igbothom_III> oh, not good
[17-Apr-2007 10:07:15] <Igbothom_III> and the same access issue would exist across a VPN connection, which is also very ungood
[17-Apr-2007 10:07:47] <chet> No.. the same condition wouldn't exist with a VPN. Without a Zenoss installation at their site they wouldn't need access to your ZODB at all.
[17-Apr-2007 10:08:14] <Igbothom_III> ok, so without a Linux/BSD box on site, how could we have a zenoss install?
[17-Apr-2007 10:08:15] <Igbothom_III>
[17-Apr-2007 10:08:24] <Igbothom_III> looking like Zenoss may not be the solution we're after
[17-Apr-2007 10:08:53] <chet> Pick a Windows server, install OpenVPN on it.. setup iptables on your side to restrict it down to as little as required.
[17-Apr-2007 10:09:21] <Igbothom_III> VPN is not a workable solution
[17-Apr-2007 10:09:40] <chet> Shoot.. if that weren't an option you could build a Soekris box or something to install at their site as a cheapo "remote support gateway"
[17-Apr-2007 10:10:05] <Igbothom_III> we deal with SMB clients - like 5 or 10 machines - so this isn't an option
[17-Apr-2007 10:10:15] <Igbothom_III> (and I run a soekris m0n0wall box here, btw)
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[17-Apr-2007 10:11:30] <chet> I'm at a loss, Igbothom_III. Based on your criteria I can't imagine what could fill your requirements.
[17-Apr-2007 10:12:51] <Igbothom_III> Hobbit works
[17-Apr-2007 10:13:31] <Igbothom_III> a lot of commercial apps like NetOp, Kaseya and LPI also work
[17-Apr-2007 10:13:37] <chet> So they have no problem with you installing it on their systems?
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[17-Apr-2007 10:13:51] <Igbothom_III> an agent? Nope, none at all
[17-Apr-2007 10:14:17] <Igbothom_III> run BBWin on their box, we monitor it. We're providing the monitoring, as I said, SMB clients, so no internal IT - we're their IT
[17-Apr-2007 10:17:54] <Igbothom_III> not that I don't like the interface of Zenoss over Hobbit (a LOT), but if it won't work as we need it...
[17-Apr-2007 10:18:21] <chet> I just don't understand what the big difference between running OpenVPN and BBWin is..
[17-Apr-2007 10:18:26] <creiht> I guess I came to the party a little late, what part is Zenoss missing for you Igbothom_III ?
[17-Apr-2007 10:19:08] <chet> Just tell them that OpenVPN is the monitoring agent. Since that's all it really is in this scenario.
[17-Apr-2007 10:20:26] <Igbothom_III> no can do - how can we have openvpn running on someone's laptop that they take all over the place so that we can monitor their box... that's a major aprt of why VPNs won't really help
[17-Apr-2007 10:21:38] <chet> Would this be your laptop, or the client's?
[17-Apr-2007 10:21:43] <Igbothom_III> also means each and every client will need to be on a different subnet
[17-Apr-2007 10:21:48] <Igbothom_III> client's laptop
[17-Apr-2007 10:21:52] <Igbothom_III> our end is fine
[17-Apr-2007 10:22:07] <Igbothom_III> it is the client end that Zenoss seems to be not ideal for (in our scenario)
[17-Apr-2007 10:22:59] <Igbothom_III> as for "openvpn is the monitoring app" I see where u r coming from and understand, but the issue is with trying to ensure all clients are on diff subnets, which is rather unlikely
[17-Apr-2007 10:23:43] <chet> Igbothom_III: It can be a hassle, but you can NAT around that problem pretty easily.
[17-Apr-2007 10:24:02] <chet> Igbothom_III: I'm not clear on that client laptop situation.. would you be monitoring their laptops?
[17-Apr-2007 10:24:11] <Igbothom_III> yes, monitoring their laptops
[17-Apr-2007 10:24:21] <Igbothom_III> and their network devices on the main LAN
[17-Apr-2007 10:24:27] <chet> How does BBWin do that when they're not connected to their LAN?
[17-Apr-2007 10:26:43] <Igbothom_III> the BBWin agent connects to my server, BBWin initiates the connection
[17-Apr-2007 10:27:30] <chet> Ahh.. I see. So BBWin is installed on all of their servers and workstations/laptops.
[17-Apr-2007 10:27:53] <chet> You mentioned network devices.. how do those get monitored?
[17-Apr-2007 10:28:07] <chet> Probably not too important for SMBs..
[17-Apr-2007 10:30:13] <Igbothom_III> well, with Hobbit, not sure with SNMP monitoring on the sites, but yes, we'll need this - monitor printers and such - U ***think*** BBWin can do this, but need to check further into it
[17-Apr-2007 10:31:37] <chet> I really does sound like a thick windows agent solution works best for this situation.
[17-Apr-2007 10:32:22] <chet> There's a ZEP (Zenoss Enhancement Proposal) pushing for a ZenAgent to fill this role, but it isn't ready yet.
[17-Apr-2007 10:33:00] <Igbothom_III> yeah, any idea how far off this is?
[17-Apr-2007 10:34:13] <chet> The associated ticket is http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/843
[17-Apr-2007 10:34:13] <adytum-bot> Title: #843 (Agent shell) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[17-Apr-2007 10:34:27] <chet> Slated for 2.1. I think they plan to have 2.0 out sometime within the month.
[17-Apr-2007 10:35:11] <chet> After that I'm not sure. Probably June or July.
[17-Apr-2007 10:36:03] <Igbothom_III> that's quite possibly acceptable
[17-Apr-2007 10:36:10] <chet> Although it probably all comes down to how much their paying customers need it. =}
[17-Apr-2007 10:36:27] <Igbothom_III> heh
[17-Apr-2007 10:37:31] <Igbothom_III> speaking of which, they aren't great at replying to support/pre-sales questions
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[17-Apr-2007 10:46:31] <chet> That's a shame. Who are you contacting?
[17-Apr-2007 10:52:42] <Igbothom_III> mailed the email on the website...
[17-Apr-2007 10:54:37] <Igbothom_III> aahhh, there must have been a bloody form
[17-Apr-2007 10:55:24] <Igbothom_III> yup, filled out a webform
[17-Apr-2007 10:58:00] <Igbothom_III> aha - seems that the Zenpacks are not available under OSS
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[17-Apr-2007 11:04:59] <chet> Igbothom_III: Unless they're community developed ZenPacks.. of which none exist yet.
[17-Apr-2007 11:05:40] <creiht> I'm willing to bet there will be several community developed zenpacks available soon after it is released
[17-Apr-2007 11:06:46] <Igbothom_III> that may be useful if they happen to be released...
[17-Apr-2007 11:07:13] <creiht> Zenpacks will be part of the upcoming 2.0 release
[17-Apr-2007 11:07:15] <chet> That'd be a good bet. I have ones for ISC DHCPD and Postfix that I'll be releasing.
[17-Apr-2007 11:07:30] <creiht> I'm working on Postgresql zenpack
[17-Apr-2007 11:07:33] <Igbothom_III> sounding more promising...
[17-Apr-2007 11:08:37] <creiht> And possibly some others if I get some time
[17-Apr-2007 11:08:57] <chet> Ever since I found the SNMP::Persist Perl module things have gotten a lot easier. =}
[17-Apr-2007 11:09:22] <Igbothom_III> all I need is a windows agent
[17-Apr-2007 11:09:44] <Igbothom_III> especially if it can collate SNMP data as well
[17-Apr-2007 11:10:13] <Igbothom_III> even better if it can collate from other windows agents on a network as well, ,eaning less traffic to the monitoring server
[17-Apr-2007 11:10:15] <creiht> Igbothom_III: Learn Python and hack away!
[17-Apr-2007 11:11:56] <Igbothom_III> heh, if I end up using Zenoss, I'll have to learn python, but I don't think I'll be able to learn it, keep working and be able to hack a tool in time - lacking time right now, hence why I'm looking at Zenoss to help me regain some time
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[17-Apr-2007 12:31:03] <chairuou> uhmm I can not findout the reason I see nothing in OS tab of a Cisco router
[17-Apr-2007 12:31:11] <chairuou> anyone have a hint ?
[17-Apr-2007 12:35:27] <chet> Go to the Manage tab and re-collect it. See if there are any errors.
[17-Apr-2007 12:36:15] <chairuou> chet: no error
[17-Apr-2007 12:36:33] <chairuou> snmpwalk return lot of information
[17-Apr-2007 12:37:30] <chet> Try modeling it from the command line.. as the zenoss user.
[17-Apr-2007 12:37:41] <chet> zenmodeler run -v 10 --force --device=yourCiscoRouter
[17-Apr-2007 12:38:44] <chairuou> chet, but other routers is OK, all interfaces displayed but all router only have graph for Ethernet IF, all Serials IF has no graphs at all
[17-Apr-2007 12:41:07] <chet> Oh! Nevermind then.. that's normal.
[17-Apr-2007 12:41:29] <chet> In the current stable version only Ethernet interfaces are graphed by default.
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[17-Apr-2007 12:41:42] <chet> You can quickly fix this though.
[17-Apr-2007 12:41:59] <chet> Go to the PerfConf in /Devices
[17-Apr-2007 12:42:18] <chet> Check ethernetCsmacd, then click Copy.
[17-Apr-2007 12:42:33] <chet> Click paste, then click into the copy of ethernetCsmacd that it makes.
[17-Apr-2007 12:43:02] <chairuou> that mean copy ethernetCsmacd and paste to use it for Serial ?
[17-Apr-2007 12:43:04] <chet> Change the name of the new template to "propPointToPointSerial"
[17-Apr-2007 12:43:14] <chet> Yeah.. "propPointToPointSerial" is the magic name for Cisco serial links.
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[17-Apr-2007 12:47:32] <chairuou> tks
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[17-Apr-2007 13:59:30] <litein> how many devices and services can be monitored with the VM Applicance?
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[17-Apr-2007 15:04:55] <chet> litein: There's no logical limit. It entirely depends on what hardware resources are available to it.
[17-Apr-2007 15:07:55] <litein> ok. thanks.
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[17-Apr-2007 15:41:21] <trich> how can I attach a service to a device? for example, check_nt_cpuload ?
[17-Apr-2007 15:42:35] <chet> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate
[17-Apr-2007 15:42:35] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToNagiosCreateTemplate - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[17-Apr-2007 16:46:34] <densone> hey all
[17-Apr-2007 16:46:49] <chet> Hi densone, what's up?
[17-Apr-2007 16:46:59] <densone> I need some guidance with a question
[17-Apr-2007 16:47:22] <densone> I want to be able to make a request with zenoss
[17-Apr-2007 16:47:26] <densone> say http
[17-Apr-2007 16:47:34] <densone> and have it validate the data
[17-Apr-2007 16:47:48] <densone> whats the best way to accomplish this?
[17-Apr-2007 16:47:52] <chet> Check for a string to exist within the results?
[17-Apr-2007 16:48:00] <chet> Or actually validate it against a standard?
[17-Apr-2007 16:48:29] <densone> validate against a hash that I already have
[17-Apr-2007 16:48:34] <densone> say I make a custom page
[17-Apr-2007 16:48:44] <densone> and I md5 it
[17-Apr-2007 16:49:00] <densone> and I just make the request md5 the data and make sure it matches
[17-Apr-2007 16:49:03] <densone> something like that
[17-Apr-2007 16:49:18] <chet> I see.. makes sense.
[17-Apr-2007 16:49:39] <densone> I am running ruby mongrel cluster
[17-Apr-2007 16:49:39] <chet> There's definitely nothing built-in to handle that case, but it seems like it would be a trivial plugin to write.
[17-Apr-2007 16:49:49] <densone> ok
[17-Apr-2007 16:50:00] <densone> thats what I have to look at
[17-Apr-2007 16:50:07] <densone> the plugin architecture
[17-Apr-2007 16:50:11] <chet> Are you already familiar with integrating Nagios plugins to Zenoss?
[17-Apr-2007 16:50:16] <densone> no
[17-Apr-2007 16:50:20] <creiht> The easiest thing right now would be to write a nagios plugin
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[17-Apr-2007 16:51:02] <densone> k, does zenoss already have the plugin system built in
[17-Apr-2007 16:51:04] <chet> densone: It's quite simple.. in fact, I could send you something to put you on the right path.
[17-Apr-2007 16:51:08] <densone> or do I have to compile
[17-Apr-2007 16:51:09] <chet> yeah
[17-Apr-2007 16:51:22] <chet> No compiling.. you can write in whatever language you're comfortable with.
[17-Apr-2007 16:51:30] <densone> sure email addr is sean@densone.com
[17-Apr-2007 16:51:35] <bzed> python++
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[17-Apr-2007 16:52:59] <densone> but.. the nagios architecture is part of zenoss?
[17-Apr-2007 16:53:24] <chet> There's really no such thing as a Nagios architecture. The plugins spec is as simple as the return code and one line of text.
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[17-Apr-2007 16:55:07] <densone> ok. so zenoss controls that plugin though?
[17-Apr-2007 16:55:15] <chet> yes
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[17-Apr-2007 16:55:54] <densone> I just found it in the doc
[17-Apr-2007 16:56:04] <densone> so it runs on the machine being monitored
[17-Apr-2007 17:01:28] <chet> No.. this instance would run on the Zenoss server.
[17-Apr-2007 17:10:48] <densone> k
[17-Apr-2007 17:11:07] <densone> So I have to install nagios plugins
[17-Apr-2007 17:11:12] <densone> and then call with zencommand?
[17-Apr-2007 17:12:25] <chet> Since it would be a custom plugin you don't need any of the stock ones for this particular purpose.
[17-Apr-2007 17:12:56] <chet> I emailed you an example plugin to do what you're talking about..
[17-Apr-2007 17:13:19] <chet> You can find instructions for integrating this into Zenoss at: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate
[17-Apr-2007 17:13:19] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToNagiosCreateTemplate - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[17-Apr-2007 17:14:22] <densone> sweet thanks
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[17-Apr-2007 17:50:53] <densone> ok so I see how to add the check_http and its great, now is that automatically monitored once enabled?
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[17-Apr-2007 18:10:48] <densone> hey guys not sure if my last message made it through bc my laptop freaked out
[17-Apr-2007 18:11:08] <densone> wondering how to monitor a nagios plugin once its setup under perfconf
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[17-Apr-2007 21:18:30] <Igbothom_III> http://www.mibdepot.com/downloads/mibs/microsoft.mibs.zip <-- could be handy
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[17-Apr-2007 22:57:27] <densone> I have a couple of plugin questions if anyone if down to see if they can help
[17-Apr-2007 23:40:33] <densone> q
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[18-Apr-2007 08:12:28] <cavediver> Hi.
[18-Apr-2007 08:13:07] <cavediver> Just installed zenoss. Seems very nice. However Extreme Networks wasn't availible as a manufacurer. Is there a way to import manufacturer info ?
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[18-Apr-2007 08:30:59] <b52laptop> cavediver, extreme networks = ?
[18-Apr-2007 08:36:41] <bzed> b52laptop: http://www.extremenetworks.com/
[18-Apr-2007 08:36:41] <adytum-bot> Title: Extreme Networks (at www.extremenetworks.com)
[18-Apr-2007 08:37:00] <b52laptop> bzed, ok
[18-Apr-2007 08:40:58] <cavediver> I guess one must have the mib-tree to collect all info. Choosed unknown now and all I got was uptime info. I need ifAlias and traffic measurement on interfaces at least-
[18-Apr-2007 08:41:53] <bzed> if I remember right you can download the mibs from their homepage
[18-Apr-2007 08:44:02] <cavediver> Hmm ok.
[18-Apr-2007 08:44:11] <cavediver> Extreme or zenoss +
[18-Apr-2007 08:44:12] <cavediver> ?
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[18-Apr-2007 09:05:58] <cavediver> Hm ok now I have the mib-tree.
[18-Apr-2007 09:06:13] <cavediver> But I can't seem to find a way to import it.
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[18-Apr-2007 09:25:59] <chet> cavediver: Copy it into $ZENHOME/share/mibs/site/ then run "zenmib run" as the zenoss user.
[18-Apr-2007 09:29:24] <cavediver> Ah ok
[18-Apr-2007 09:29:57] <chet> This is discussed a bit in the FAQ: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/FAQ
[18-Apr-2007 09:29:57] <adytum-bot> Title: FAQ - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[18-Apr-2007 10:50:56] <cavediver> chet: Hm I have no share catalouge in that directory.
[18-Apr-2007 10:57:46] <cavediver> I'll create it then.
[18-Apr-2007 10:59:09] <cavediver> It imported the name but no entrys. Got an error message aswell:
[18-Apr-2007 11:01:22] <cavediver> sh: line 1 10422 Segmentation fault smidump -fpython "/home/zenoss/share/mibs/site/v730b49.mib" 2>/dev/null
[18-Apr-2007 11:01:43] <cavediver> INFO:zen.zenmib:Loaded mib EXTREME-ENH-DOS-MIB
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[18-Apr-2007 11:57:40] <nate> does zenoss support acknowledgements via email for service alerts/pages?
[18-Apr-2007 12:02:52] <b52laptop> nate, could i ask yu ! how did yu get that "3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097.org" in yur nick ?
[18-Apr-2007 12:03:31] <nate> it's the hostname of the machine I IRC from.
[18-Apr-2007 12:03:41] <b52laptop> nice host
[18-Apr-2007 12:04:05] <nate> thanks, few seem to catch it
[18-Apr-2007 12:04:23] <creiht> wow
[18-Apr-2007 12:04:28] <creiht> In a very weird way
[18-Apr-2007 12:04:47] <creiht> I wound up talking about that hostname yesterday
[18-Apr-2007 12:04:47] * b52laptop drop a " hello" to creiht
[18-Apr-2007 12:04:51] <creiht> howdy
[18-Apr-2007 12:05:03] <creiht> someone suggestions using pi as a hostname
[18-Apr-2007 12:05:24] <creiht> And the above domain came up
[18-Apr-2007 12:05:42] <b52laptop> nate, yeah mail ackownledgement is supportted from what i reaad , i think sms too
[18-Apr-2007 12:05:46] <b52laptop> for pager no idea
[18-Apr-2007 12:05:58] <creiht> nate: And to your question, I don't believe that it currently supports that, but it is a cool idea
[18-Apr-2007 12:06:03] <creiht> b52laptop: Notifications are
[18-Apr-2007 12:06:12] <creiht> acknowledgement is not
[18-Apr-2007 12:06:34] <creiht> As in, you can have an email sent when an event occurs
[18-Apr-2007 12:06:37] * b52laptop is googeling for the meanning of acknoledgement :d
[18-Apr-2007 12:06:59] <creiht> But you can't reply to the email so that the event will be acknowledged in Zenoss
[18-Apr-2007 12:07:16] <nate> ouch
[18-Apr-2007 12:07:19] <nate> that's a problem for us then
[18-Apr-2007 12:07:25] <nate> I was hoping to replace nagios/cacti with this
[18-Apr-2007 12:07:34] <creiht> nate: It probably isn't there because nobody has asked for it yet
[18-Apr-2007 12:07:56] <creiht> One thing that I have found is that the developers are very open to requests
[18-Apr-2007 12:08:07] <creiht> So I would at least try requesting it, and see what they say
[18-Apr-2007 12:08:25] <nate> it looks like you may be able to ACK via HTTP
[18-Apr-2007 12:08:41] <nate> but that becomes extra steps for us since our pager does not do HTTP
[18-Apr-2007 12:08:50] <creiht> nate: I bet you could add a link in the email that is sent that would ack it
[18-Apr-2007 12:08:53] <nate> we'd have to manually ACK via a phone with browser or a laptop
[18-Apr-2007 12:09:03] <nate> that still creates an extra step
[18-Apr-2007 12:09:09] <nate> we receive alerts to a pager, not cell phones.
[18-Apr-2007 12:09:22] <creiht> How would a pager send a signal back?
[18-Apr-2007 12:09:30] <creiht> And how do you do that currently with Nagios?
[18-Apr-2007 12:10:11] <nate> it's a two way pager, supports email
[18-Apr-2007 12:10:15] <nate> but not http
[18-Apr-2007 12:10:22] <creiht> ahh
[18-Apr-2007 12:10:23] <nate> ACKs are standard in nagios
[18-Apr-2007 12:10:48] <creiht> Ahh... guess I didn't realize that you could ack an event through email in nagios
[18-Apr-2007 12:10:57] <nate> yup
[18-Apr-2007 12:11:00] <creiht> Not that I have had a whole lot of experience with it
[18-Apr-2007 12:11:20] <creiht> None the less, I would recommend sending an email to the mailing list
[18-Apr-2007 12:11:29] <creiht> saying that you need that functionality to move from nagios
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:00] <creiht> And see what happens
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:14] <b52laptop> :d
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:17] <nate> actually, apparently I am wrong
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:23] <creiht> ?
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:27] <nate> I've been informed by my coworkers that the email ACK is a hack we wrote.
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:32] <creiht> haha
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:34] <nate> for nagios
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:44] <creiht> You could probably hack it similarly for zenoss
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:45] <nate> so I may be able to adapt zenoss after all
[18-Apr-2007 12:13:18] <nate> we do this so that when you receive a page at 3am you can simply ACK it and go back to bed
[18-Apr-2007 12:13:24] <nate> you don't have to drag out a laptop or something
[18-Apr-2007 12:13:27] <creiht> hehe
[18-Apr-2007 12:13:35] <creiht> That would be ncie
[18-Apr-2007 12:14:57] <creiht> Off to lunch... bbl
[18-Apr-2007 12:15:06] <nate> yeah it comes in handy
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[18-Apr-2007 15:17:46] <pbaumgartner> is there a template to pull all the extra info from Dell's openmanage snmp?
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[18-Apr-2007 15:22:08] <tryfan> hi all, can't seem to find the manual configuration for a device in zenoss. I've got it detecting all the services, and that's great but all the services run on different IPs, and it's reporting that pop3 is on 0.0.0.0 which is obviously wrong.
[18-Apr-2007 15:23:02] <tryfan> how do I redefine this IP or simply make it use a custom command, like telnetting to the IP/port and expecting +Hello There OK: or whatever?
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[18-Apr-2007 15:23:24] <HsBZH> plop
[18-Apr-2007 15:24:18] <HsBZH> i have some problem to install zenoss on my slackware, is there help here please ?
[18-Apr-2007 15:24:34] <tryfan> what would you like to know?
[18-Apr-2007 15:25:03] <HsBZH> it's during the installation, there is an error: gmake: *** [mysql-python-install] Error 1
[18-Apr-2007 15:25:12] <HsBZH> but mysql and python are installed
[18-Apr-2007 15:25:37] <HsBZH> and python-dev is included into the python package for slack
[18-Apr-2007 15:25:46] <HsBZH> so i dont understand
[18-Apr-2007 15:26:26] <HsBZH> logs : /usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/3.4.6/../../../../i486-slackware-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lmysqlclient_r
[18-Apr-2007 15:26:27] <HsBZH> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[18-Apr-2007 15:26:59] <tryfan> hm, it looks like it can't find a mysql shared library
[18-Apr-2007 15:27:16] <HsBZH> yep it seems
[18-Apr-2007 15:28:53] <tryfan> you don't have the thread safe library mysqlclient_r, workaround is: export mysqlclient=mysqlclient then try to build again, but for performance, I'd rebuild the mysql server making sure that threading or whatever gives you that library is enabled
[18-Apr-2007 15:29:24] <tryfan> what mysql version btw?
[18-Apr-2007 15:29:31] <HsBZH> 5
[18-Apr-2007 15:29:37] <tryfan> 5......
[18-Apr-2007 15:29:48] <tryfan> 5.what.what?
[18-Apr-2007 15:29:55] <HsBZH> 5.0.37
[18-Apr-2007 15:30:05] <tryfan> that should be fine
[18-Apr-2007 15:30:21] <tryfan> looks like it was compiled without some sort of threading support, which is odd
[18-Apr-2007 15:30:50] <tryfan> do you have /usr/lib/libmysqlclient_r.so ?
[18-Apr-2007 15:30:53] <HsBZH> hum i think i had not compiled with this...
[18-Apr-2007 15:30:59] <HsBZH> wait i'll see
[18-Apr-2007 15:31:16] <tryfan> either run the export above or recompile with the new option
[18-Apr-2007 15:31:40] <HsBZH> nop
[18-Apr-2007 15:31:49] <HsBZH> just libmysqlclient.so
[18-Apr-2007 15:31:56] <HsBZH> ok
[18-Apr-2007 15:32:12] <HsBZH> the option will be --with-odd right ?
[18-Apr-2007 15:32:57] <tryfan> actually, I'm not sure, I haven't used slack for years
[18-Apr-2007 15:33:13] <HsBZH> k but options are the sames
[18-Apr-2007 15:33:42] <HsBZH> and for me i use slack since 1 week for a work placement
[18-Apr-2007 15:33:51] <HsBZH> usually i'm using debian
[18-Apr-2007 15:34:10] <HsBZH> thx anyway
[18-Apr-2007 15:34:30] <tryfan> not with gentoo...in fact, I never selected threading specifically, but I compiled with berkdb, perl and ssl
[18-Apr-2007 15:34:38] <tryfan> so not specific to threading
[18-Apr-2007 15:34:48] <tryfan> weird that it would come without it
[18-Apr-2007 15:35:11] <tryfan> do you know zenoss itself pretty well?
[18-Apr-2007 15:35:18] <HsBZH> nop at all
[18-Apr-2007 15:35:22] <tryfan> same here
[18-Apr-2007 15:35:27] <HsBZH> ^^
[18-Apr-2007 15:35:39] <tryfan> I just installed it a few hours ago, and can't figure out how do redefine an IP...ick
[18-Apr-2007 15:36:12] <HsBZH> erf
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[18-Apr-2007 15:36:41] <HsBZH> if you have a solution tell me because its possible i'll have the same problem :/
[18-Apr-2007 15:37:00] <tryfan> I'm running all sorts of services, pop3, dns, smtp, but all on different IPs
[18-Apr-2007 15:37:10] <tryfan> it's saying that pop3 is on 0.0.0.0
[18-Apr-2007 15:37:13] <tryfan> so it fails
[18-Apr-2007 15:37:41] <HsBZH> is pop3 is in localhost ?
[18-Apr-2007 15:38:46] <tryfan> no, courier-imap looks like it can only bind to one ip
[18-Apr-2007 15:40:15] <tryfan> well, besides 0.0.0.0
[18-Apr-2007 15:40:30] <HsBZH> but if you are using imap, why do you need pop ?
[18-Apr-2007 15:41:24] <HsBZH> configure ok with the ogg option
[18-Apr-2007 15:41:29] <HsBZH> i'll compile now
[18-Apr-2007 15:44:06] <tryfan> courier-imap is a package that supplies both imap/pop and secure versions of both
[18-Apr-2007 15:44:27] <HsBZH> ok
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[18-Apr-2007 15:44:33] <creiht> tryfan: Is it just for that one service, or all services on that box?
[18-Apr-2007 15:45:27] <creiht> You can change the ip of the box in the manage tab
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[18-Apr-2007 16:08:27] <tryfan> creiht: the different services on the box run on different IPs and the box is firewalled to not allow say, smtp on the pop1 hostname
[18-Apr-2007 16:09:08] <tryfan> so smtp is only allowed on one IP, same with pop3, and they're all separate
[18-Apr-2007 16:10:09] <creiht> oh
[18-Apr-2007 16:10:36] <creiht> Not sure I will be able to help with that one... sorry
[18-Apr-2007 16:13:11] <tryfan> it's no problem, it's an odd configuration, but necessary for redundancy
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[18-Apr-2007 16:15:29] <chet> tryfan: A lot of people in this circumstance monitor the process, not the port.
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[18-Apr-2007 16:18:59] <tryfan> chet: that's true, but for a real test of whether the users can access the service via the port, wouldn't the better test be connecting to it from an outside source?
[18-Apr-2007 16:19:31] <tryfan> sure, it's extremely rare that a process would screw up where it wasn't accepting connections and still be active, but it's possible
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[18-Apr-2007 16:25:33] <tryfan> let me put it this way, my old monitor is nagios, which looks like a glorified pinger next to zenoss, but, should I be using snmp instead of thinking about plugins like a nagios user?
[18-Apr-2007 16:26:05] <creiht> tryfan: The snmp polling will scale a whole lot further than nagios plugins will
[18-Apr-2007 16:26:58] <tryfan> creiht: true enough, I've seen that by looking at some of the examples...I just know nothing about it. I have an o'reilly book on the subject, so maybe I should just read it
[18-Apr-2007 16:27:34] <creiht> tryfan: Quite a bit of information can be exposed through snmp
[18-Apr-2007 16:28:08] <tryfan> creiht: it's got it's own terminology, so it's not something you can dive right into, but I agree that it's the way to go
[18-Apr-2007 16:28:33] <creiht> It does have its own gaps and annoyances
[18-Apr-2007 16:28:35] <creiht>
[18-Apr-2007 16:28:51] <creiht> but you can fill those gaps with some type of plugin or agent
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[18-Apr-2007 16:46:35] <chet> tryfan: For doing "synthetic transactions" style monitoring, you're forced to use Nagios style plugins at the moment.
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[18-Apr-2007 16:49:57] <chet> To fully monitor your POP server, you'd probably want a plugin that you could feed the proper IP/hostname to connect to, username/password to authenticate as, message number to read, and a string to match within that message. This would cover your virtual IP problem, test IP connectivity, test your authentication mechanism and your actual mail-store all at once.
[18-Apr-2007 16:50:08] <chet> Basically the other end of the spectrum from making sure the process is running.
[18-Apr-2007 16:53:08] <chet> Synthetic transactions are great for detecting that a problem exists. Old fashioned process/port/log monitoring is a great way of determining why a problem exists. Doing both forms, and only alerting on synthetic transaction failures is a pretty good combination.
[18-Apr-2007 16:53:10] <creiht> or that just a port is open
[18-Apr-2007 16:56:22] <tryfan> wow, that's good advice, and I'll definitely look it over. I'd write my own scripts for the logins and checks. I'm going to head off and read that snmp book now. Thanks very much
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[18-Apr-2007 16:57:06] <creiht> chet: Have you heard if anyone is working on more advanced service monitoring for Zenpacks?
[18-Apr-2007 16:58:17] <chet> creiht: I'm not sure what you mean. One of the purposes for a ZenPack would be to implement more advanced service monitoring a particular type of service..
[18-Apr-2007 16:58:26] <creiht> right
[18-Apr-2007 16:58:46] <creiht> I was just wondering
[18-Apr-2007 16:58:50] <chet> The idea being that you write the logic youself. =}
[18-Apr-2007 16:58:55] <creiht> hehe
[18-Apr-2007 16:59:13] <chet> Are you familiar with NSClient for Nagios? For monitoring Windows servers?
[18-Apr-2007 16:59:26] <creiht> Well I thought another purpose for zenpacks was to have an easy way to share said plugins
[18-Apr-2007 16:59:27] <creiht> no
[18-Apr-2007 16:59:50] <chet> Yeah, that's definitely true.. I was going to use NSClient as an example.
[18-Apr-2007 17:01:03] <creiht> I was just wondering if you had heard of anyone making some basic service polling enhancements
[18-Apr-2007 17:01:34] <chet> No, nothing yet. A lot of people talking about it, but the infrastructure for it is still very new.
[18-Apr-2007 17:01:38] <creiht> yeah
[18-Apr-2007 17:01:48] <creiht> I've jsut started to look at it, but need more time
[18-Apr-2007 17:02:14] <chet> Have you seen the HelloWorldZenPack?
[18-Apr-2007 17:02:16] <creiht> yeah
[18-Apr-2007 17:02:29] <creiht> One thing that seems a bit odd
[18-Apr-2007 17:02:34] <creiht> Is that at first glance
[18-Apr-2007 17:02:44] <creiht> If you are doing polling
[18-Apr-2007 17:03:08] <creiht> each new zenpack will have its own daemon
[18-Apr-2007 17:04:29] <chet> Yeah, that's definitely true. If none of the existing pollers can be made to do what you want, what other recourse do you have? =}
[18-Apr-2007 17:04:50] <chet> I'm betting that ZenPacks come out, they will become dependent upon each other.
[18-Apr-2007 17:05:28] <creiht> I was thinking it would be nice to have a basic daemon that the different zenpacks could plug into
[18-Apr-2007 17:07:05] <chet> Someone might come out with a SoapZenPack that only handles low-level passing of SOAP method/responses.. then someone else comes along with a "AcmeSoapServicePack" that uses the daemon from SoapZenPack..
[18-Apr-2007 17:07:18] <creiht> true
[18-Apr-2007 17:07:27] <chet> You already have daemons that can handle SNMP collecting, pinging, basic TCP and UDP port tests..
[18-Apr-2007 17:07:40] <chet> If that covers your use-case, don't develop your own daemon.. use the ones that already exist.
[18-Apr-2007 17:08:24] <creiht> hrmm
[18-Apr-2007 17:08:35] <creiht> I'll have to look closer
[18-Apr-2007 17:08:41] <creiht> Like one of the things I would lke to do
[18-Apr-2007 17:08:45] <creiht> for the common services
[18-Apr-2007 17:08:52] <creiht> for example SMTP
[18-Apr-2007 17:09:04] <creiht> right now it basically checks that the port is open
[18-Apr-2007 17:09:13] <creiht> I would like for it to connect to the port
[18-Apr-2007 17:09:20] <creiht> check the return code to make sure it is valid
[18-Apr-2007 17:09:28] <creiht> issue a QUIT statement
[18-Apr-2007 17:09:36] <creiht> and make sure it issues the right return code
[18-Apr-2007 17:09:48] <creiht> that is probably one of the most basic examples
[18-Apr-2007 17:10:26] <creiht> Not truely synthetic, but makes sure that the service is really answering
[18-Apr-2007 17:10:58] <chet> Yeah.. a lot of people would want that. You could create a TcpConversationZenPack or something to that effect. It would be useful for many purposes.
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[18-Apr-2007 19:46:28] <jason1> hi all
[18-Apr-2007 19:47:23] <jason1> im trying to install the dep for zenoss on centos, mysql is giving me some grief. its telling me that the mysql-client rpm is conflicting with my mysql-4.1.... package
[18-Apr-2007 19:54:39] <bzed> jason1: you need mysql 5.0.25 or newer
[18-Apr-2007 19:55:15] <bzed> err, 5.0.22
[18-Apr-2007 19:56:15] <bzed> anything below that will not work
[18-Apr-2007 20:03:13] <jason1> yea just read in the faq
[18-Apr-2007 20:04:17] <jason1> its all goon now anyway i found the allmighty vmware image
[18-Apr-2007 20:04:17] <jason1> gona take that for a whirl instead
[18-Apr-2007 20:20:43] <bzed> have fun
[18-Apr-2007 20:20:44] <bzed> n8
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[19-Apr-2007 11:16:36] <nate> if you rename a host, how do you delete alerts for the old one? I still have events for the old host that no longer exists (it was renamed)
[19-Apr-2007 11:33:51] <chet> Just move them into history.
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[19-Apr-2007 11:36:42] <nate> move what?
[19-Apr-2007 11:36:47] <nate> the events?
[19-Apr-2007 11:44:18] <chet> yes
[19-Apr-2007 11:44:53] <nate> I fail to see how to do that
[19-Apr-2007 11:45:06] <nate> I see nothing for 'move'
[19-Apr-2007 11:45:23] <nate> ah, history button at the bottom. got it
[19-Apr-2007 11:47:12] <nate> well that didn't do it
[19-Apr-2007 11:47:21] <nate> a whole new wave of events just came through for those hosts
[19-Apr-2007 11:47:28] <nate> why is it still trying to monitor the old name of a host?
[19-Apr-2007 11:47:40] <nate> if I click the device name, it shows a blank page
[19-Apr-2007 11:47:45] <nate> because that device doesn't even exist any more
[19-Apr-2007 11:47:55] <nate> yet it is still trying to monitor it
[19-Apr-2007 11:48:49] <chet> The daemons update their configurations at long intervals. Changes you make in the web interface don't always happen immediately.
[19-Apr-2007 11:49:03] <chet> You can restart zenoss to make them all re-read their configurations.
[19-Apr-2007 11:49:05] <nate> I made these changes last night at 5pm before I left work
[19-Apr-2007 11:49:11] <nate> and I rebooted the machine this morning
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[19-Apr-2007 11:49:20] <nate> I'll try flushing it again though
[19-Apr-2007 11:49:24] <chet> What's an example of one of these events?
[19-Apr-2007 11:50:17] <Gamekiller77> dose any one know what package would have snmpwalk
[19-Apr-2007 11:50:20] <nate> localhost.localdomain zenping heartbeat failure
[19-Apr-2007 11:50:21] <Gamekiller77> i do not have it on my system
[19-Apr-2007 11:50:40] <nate> Gamekiller77: tinysnmpwalk
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[19-Apr-2007 11:50:46] <nate> try that
[19-Apr-2007 11:50:59] <chet> nate: ah.. you renamed the zenoss server.
[19-Apr-2007 11:51:09] <chet> nate: Try going into "Event Manager" and hitting "Clear Heartbeats"
[19-Apr-2007 11:51:22] <Gamekiller77> when i try and run it via zenoss it get command not found
[19-Apr-2007 11:51:45] <chet> Gamekiller77: What Linux distribution are you running?
[19-Apr-2007 11:51:58] <nate> k
[19-Apr-2007 11:52:01] <Gamekiller77> Ubuntu 6.10
[19-Apr-2007 11:52:09] <nate> it's tinysnmpwalk
[19-Apr-2007 11:52:12] <nate> install that package
[19-Apr-2007 11:52:24] <nate> then run /usr/bin/tinysnmpwalk
[19-Apr-2007 11:53:02] <Gamekiller77> ok but then if i run it via the venoss web interface it will fail should i make an alies
[19-Apr-2007 11:53:17] <chet> Gamekiller77: You'd be better off installing the snmp package.
[19-Apr-2007 11:53:28] <chet> It's what Zenoss expect you to have.
[19-Apr-2007 11:53:36] <Gamekiller77> i thought i did is the problem
[19-Apr-2007 11:53:39] <Gamekiller77> hmm
[19-Apr-2007 11:54:35] <creiht> Gamekiller77: It should be in the snmp package
[19-Apr-2007 11:55:00] <chet> I just verified that on my Ubuntu 6.10 machine..
[19-Apr-2007 11:55:09] <chet> aptitude install snmp
[19-Apr-2007 11:55:53] <Gamekiller77> ok
[19-Apr-2007 11:56:10] <Gamekiller77> then the walksnmp should be set or do i need to add a line to path
[19-Apr-2007 11:56:25] <chet> The path should already be set.
[19-Apr-2007 11:56:31] <Gamekiller77> got it now
[19-Apr-2007 11:56:33] <Gamekiller77> go fig
[19-Apr-2007 11:56:34] <Gamekiller77> thanks
[19-Apr-2007 11:57:08] <Gamekiller77> it working now
[19-Apr-2007 11:57:09] <Gamekiller77> hehe
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[19-Apr-2007 11:59:15] <Gamekiller77> i am not seeing any graphs for my cisco switchs or router is there something i need to setup
[19-Apr-2007 11:59:57] <chet> That should happen automatically. Are you going to the OS tab and clicking on the interface you want to see the graph for?
[19-Apr-2007 12:00:13] <Gamekiller77> hmm
[19-Apr-2007 12:00:22] <Gamekiller77> no i ahev not do that yet hold on
[19-Apr-2007 12:01:02] <Gamekiller77> ok i see the ports and subnets
[19-Apr-2007 12:01:07] <Gamekiller77> oo ok
[19-Apr-2007 12:01:14] <Gamekiller77> i feel like so stupid now
[19-Apr-2007 12:03:05] <chet> You shouldn't.. most people expect to see all the graphs on the device-level page.
[19-Apr-2007 12:03:07] <nate> is it suggested to use FQDN over just the host?
[19-Apr-2007 12:03:18] <nate> I get errors about server1 and server1.mydomain.com sharing the same IP
[19-Apr-2007 12:03:28] <chet> nate: Absolutely.. it will still monitor it by the IP, so you don't have to worry about events storms in the case of a DNS failure.
[19-Apr-2007 12:03:46] <Gamekiller77> ok when i click on hte OS tab then the port status
[19-Apr-2007 12:03:51] <Gamekiller77> there still not graph
[19-Apr-2007 12:03:52] <nate> well my issue is more along the lines of gigantic devices names VS short ones
[19-Apr-2007 12:04:01] <nate> using FQDN takes up so much more space
[19-Apr-2007 12:04:03] <chet> Gamekiller77: How long ago did you add the device in question?
[19-Apr-2007 12:04:06] <nate> and everything is on the same domain, so why use it?
[19-Apr-2007 12:04:14] <Gamekiller77> week or 2 ago
[19-Apr-2007 12:04:55] <chet> nate: It'll work with whatever name you put in. Just make sure you don't have both versions in there.
[19-Apr-2007 12:05:05] <nate> I don't, but it seems to complain I do
[19-Apr-2007 12:05:17] <nate> wait, they are gone now..
[19-Apr-2007 12:05:27] <nate> didn't touch anything
[19-Apr-2007 12:05:29] <nate> *shrug*
[19-Apr-2007 12:05:35] <nate> I'll give it an hour to flush out stuff
[19-Apr-2007 12:05:38] <nate> check back on it later
[19-Apr-2007 12:06:01] <chet> Renaming the zenoss server has been known to cause some weird problems.
[19-Apr-2007 12:06:04] <nate> wait no, it is still there
[19-Apr-2007 12:06:09] <chet> It might have something to do with the hosts file.
[19-Apr-2007 12:06:10] <nate> yeah, it has been renamed
[19-Apr-2007 12:06:15] <nate> when it was installed it had no DNS yet
[19-Apr-2007 12:06:35] <nate> hosts is empty accept for localhost.localdomain
[19-Apr-2007 12:08:05] <chet> That's strange. Could you use the search box and enter "server1" or the real name just to make sure you only get one result?
[19-Apr-2007 12:08:27] <nate> only the one (non FQDN) host shows up
[19-Apr-2007 12:08:41] <nate> should I delete the device and remake it?
[19-Apr-2007 12:09:44] <chet> Couldn't hurt.
[19-Apr-2007 12:11:02] <nate> there's a lot of weird things it's doing
[19-Apr-2007 12:11:07] <nate> I guess I have a lot more reading to do
[19-Apr-2007 12:11:23] <nate> like it's reporting errors for procs I never told it to monitor.. that it says are not running, that actually are running.
[19-Apr-2007 12:11:53] <nate> Process not running: ntpd -u ntp:ntp -p /var/ru...
[19-Apr-2007 12:12:02] <nate> $ ps aux |grep ntpd
[19-Apr-2007 12:12:02] <nate> ntp 2731 0.0 0.4 6272 6272 ? SLs 09:43 0:00 ntpd -u ntp:ntp -p /var/run/ntpd.pid
[19-Apr-2007 12:12:16] <nate> looks to be running just fine to me
[19-Apr-2007 12:12:22] <nate> and why is it even reporting on that
[19-Apr-2007 12:12:30] <nate> I never told it to monitor ntpd on that host
[19-Apr-2007 12:18:38] <chet> For some reason the default behavior is to monitor any processes that it recognizes. This seems weird to me too. You can change that behavior very easily. Go to Processes in the menu, then to its zProperties and set the Monitor property to false for the root of the process tree.
[19-Apr-2007 12:18:50] <nate> I deleted and readded it and it still shows the same error as before. So I dunno..
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[19-Apr-2007 12:47:25] <progma> anyone have zenoss installed in rhel, specifically rhel5
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[19-Apr-2007 12:59:38] <creiht> progma: I have it installed on RHEL3
[19-Apr-2007 13:00:19] <chet> progma: Haven't heard about anyone trying it on 5 yet. What version of MySQL and Python does it come with?
[19-Apr-2007 13:10:22] <progma> chet: not sure yet; i just finished a reinstall from 4 to 5
[19-Apr-2007 13:10:43] <creiht> It has python 2.4 so that shouldn't be a problem
[19-Apr-2007 13:10:47] <creiht> Not sure about MySQL
[19-Apr-2007 13:10:51] <progma> mysql 5
[19-Apr-2007 13:11:08] <progma> 5.0.22-2.1
[19-Apr-2007 13:11:50] <progma> python - 2.4.3-19.el5 yup
[19-Apr-2007 13:14:07] <chet> Cool.. that'll help with Zenoss for sure.
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[19-Apr-2007 13:32:22] <progma> well i will let you guys know how well it goes in rhel5
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[19-Apr-2007 13:48:47] <Kevin704> Quick question - if I am running Dell OpenManage do I need SNMP-Informant? Will it provide any additional information?
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[19-Apr-2007 13:52:37] <FEON> Is there a graphical mapper within Zenoss that can build/update a device map showing devices and connections?
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[19-Apr-2007 15:14:21] <progma> Kevin704: what is the OS? i have dell omsa installed on all my poweredges, and graph some ipmi stuff like cpu temps via snmp
[19-Apr-2007 15:14:57] <progma> if it's windows, if i remember correctly to get any more than the basic snmp stuff you have to add something like snmp-informant; not sure if that affects dell mibs as well
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[19-Apr-2007 15:28:11] <trich> I've added a nagios check per the instructions at http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate, however I can't find where I can see the status of the checks
[19-Apr-2007 15:29:21] <chet> trich: You can't see the status of the check unless you add a graph for one of the data points it returns. An event will be generated if there is a failure.
[19-Apr-2007 15:29:52] <trich> chat: is there no logs for the commands?
[19-Apr-2007 15:30:23] <trich> s/chat/chet/g
[19-Apr-2007 15:31:22] <chet> There is zencommand.log
[19-Apr-2007 15:33:07] <chet> You could even run "zencommand run -v 10" to get more verbose output from the command runner.
[19-Apr-2007 15:33:18] <trich> that's what I needed
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[19-Apr-2007 15:57:56] <FEON> does zenoss have a graphical mapping tool that builds a map of components and connections displaying the result in a topology maps display?
[19-Apr-2007 16:00:35] <chet> FEON: No.
[19-Apr-2007 16:02:06] <FEON> chet: Is there any development effort toward it?
[19-Apr-2007 16:09:33] <chet> Not that I'm aware of, but the developers are pretty open to suggestions.
[19-Apr-2007 16:14:16] <FEON> thanks chet, we might just take it on ... but just want to make sure no one else was already doing it
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[19-Apr-2007 17:19:50] <tessier_> From: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/10/1849252 "Hinkle says that Zenoss uses the commercial version of SugarCRM so that they have someone to call if they need support."
[19-Apr-2007 17:19:50] <adytum-bot^> Title: Linux.com | Zenoss builds a competitive advantage with open source infrastructure (at www.linux.com)
[19-Apr-2007 17:19:50] <tessier_> Huh? What does zenoss have to do with crm?
[19-Apr-2007 17:21:31] <nate> I'm assuming they mean Zenoss, the company, who provides customer support, uses SugarCRM.
[19-Apr-2007 17:51:17] <bzed> yeah, I think that's what mark says in his blog entry, too
[19-Apr-2007 17:54:38] <Gamekiller77> well i going to test zenoss on Ubuntu 7.02 new build
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[19-Apr-2007 18:15:28] <bzed> Gamekiller77: in a fwe weeks you'll be able to get a packages version for debian and ubuntu
[19-Apr-2007 18:22:32] <Gamekiller77> nice
[19-Apr-2007 18:26:08] <Gamekiller77> thanks
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[20-Apr-2007 19:41:52] <jberry> Hey, can somebody give an estimate for the next zenoss release?
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[20-Apr-2007 19:49:12] <jberry> And how come the device events view takes so dang long to render
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[20-Apr-2007 19:51:15] <Gamekiller77> so i got ubuntu 7.02 and zenoss working fine
[20-Apr-2007 19:52:45] <Gamekiller77> i upgraded from 6.10 and it did not brake a thing that i can find
[20-Apr-2007 19:53:40] <bzed> if you've installed with the zenoss installer this doesn;t make me wonder
[20-Apr-2007 19:54:09] <bzed> feisty ships a more recent libc6 probably, but the new libcs are usually pretty much compatible to the old versions
[20-Apr-2007 19:54:25] <Gamekiller77> yah
[20-Apr-2007 19:54:31] <Gamekiller77> i was just happy it did not brake
[20-Apr-2007 19:54:38] <Gamekiller77> i did have to manualy start it
[20-Apr-2007 19:54:43] <Gamekiller77> stop then start
[20-Apr-2007 19:55:11] <bzed> in the next version it'll be as package
[20-Apr-2007 19:55:19] <bzed> apt-get install zenoss... done...
[20-Apr-2007 19:55:22] <bzed> well
[20-Apr-2007 19:55:39] <bzed> that how it will be with debian, but I think some ubuntu developer will grab the stuff
[20-Apr-2007 19:56:55] <Gamekiller77> well yah just be in a differnt source
[20-Apr-2007 19:57:30] <Gamekiller77> is there an easyer way to get the mib for cisco
[20-Apr-2007 19:57:36] <Gamekiller77> or so i ahve to DL each file
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[20-Apr-2007 20:29:11] <Gamekiller77> ok i am for the day night all
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[21-Apr-2007 17:17:03] <tanjianaus> has anyone here deployed additional performance or status monitors and converted comms protocol to XML-RPC?
[21-Apr-2007 17:17:24] <tanjianaus> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5829#5829
[21-Apr-2007 17:17:24] <adytum-bot^> Title: Forums :: View topic - Zenoss + remote monitors (very slow) (at community.zenoss.com)
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[21-Apr-2007 17:24:57] <tanjianaus> has anyone here deployed additional performance or status monitors and converted comms protocol to XML-RPC?
[21-Apr-2007 17:25:17] <tanjianaus> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5829#5829
[21-Apr-2007 17:25:17] <adytum-bot^> Title: Forums :: View topic - Zenoss + remote monitors (very slow) (at community.zenoss.com)
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[23-Apr-2007 01:55:25] <jason1> hi
[23-Apr-2007 01:55:40] <jason1> how does one install yum onto the vmware appliance??
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[23-Apr-2007 12:35:29] <jberry> Hey, can anybody give me information about a problem I'm having with restarting zencommand? When I press the "restart" button for it from the gui, it works, the first time.
[23-Apr-2007 12:35:57] <jberry> But subsequent attempts to shutdown zenoss or to stop or restart that process from the GUI, fail to stop that command.
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[24-Apr-2007 13:49:53] <jberry> hey, this is a lively channel
[24-Apr-2007 13:52:01] <jp10558> only when people are having problems
[24-Apr-2007 14:04:08] <Bulwinkle> Shows this is a great product
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[25-Apr-2007 12:11:08] <M1ke> hey
[25-Apr-2007 12:11:27] <M1ke> anyone here
[25-Apr-2007 12:12:37] <chet> At least the two of us.
[25-Apr-2007 12:13:12] <M1ke> i'm havin a bit of trouble getting zenoss to pick up the snmp on my linksys router
[25-Apr-2007 12:14:09] <M1ke> keeps saying no snmp found for ip
[25-Apr-2007 12:14:15] <M1ke> but i turned it on
[25-Apr-2007 12:15:01] <chet> ok, are you familiar with snmpwalk?
[25-Apr-2007 12:15:14] <M1ke> not really
[25-Apr-2007 12:15:44] <M1ke> let me download it 1 sec
[25-Apr-2007 12:15:45] <chet> No problem. Do you know which SNMP version and community the Linksys is setup with?
[25-Apr-2007 12:16:19] <M1ke> i don't know the version but i can set the community in the linksys settings
[25-Apr-2007 12:16:34] <M1ke> it's a WRV54G
[25-Apr-2007 12:16:47] <M1ke> the wireless vpn one
[25-Apr-2007 12:17:07] <chet> What platform are you running Zenoss on?
[25-Apr-2007 12:17:36] <M1ke> it's the vmware image so i can test it out before i deploy it
[25-Apr-2007 12:17:50] <M1ke> it gets the other devices fine
[25-Apr-2007 12:18:31] <M1ke> ok i have snmp walk
[25-Apr-2007 12:19:17] <chet> Try this: snmpwalk -v2c -c public <routerIp> system
[25-Apr-2007 12:19:28] <chet> Assuming public is your community string.
[25-Apr-2007 12:20:11] <M1ke> snmpwalk -v2c -c public <routerIp> system
[25-Apr-2007 12:20:15] <M1ke> ops
[25-Apr-2007 12:20:24] <M1ke> Timeout: No Response from 192.168.1.1
[25-Apr-2007 12:21:14] <M1ke> here is the settings that i can set on the router
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:09] <M1ke> Enabled: Yes
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:09] <M1ke>
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:09] <M1ke> Contact: Mike
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:09] <M1ke> Device Name: Linksys
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:09] <M1ke> Location: Office
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:10] <M1ke> Get Community: public
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:12] <M1ke> Set Community: private
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:14] <M1ke> SNMP Trap-Community: trap
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:16] <M1ke> SNMP Trusted Host: not set
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:18] <M1ke> SNMP Trap-Destination: not set
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:43] <chet> Try version 1: snmpwalk -v1 -c public <routerIp> system
[25-Apr-2007 12:24:34] <M1ke> include "version 1:"?
[25-Apr-2007 12:24:59] <M1ke> no response
[25-Apr-2007 12:24:59] <chet> What?
[25-Apr-2007 12:25:06] <M1ke> nvm i got it
[25-Apr-2007 12:25:14] <M1ke> still says no response
[25-Apr-2007 12:25:57] <chet> Are there any other SNMP settings on the Linksys. Maybe something that restricts which IPs can poll it?
[25-Apr-2007 12:26:23] <M1ke> that is what the trusted host settings does
[25-Apr-2007 12:26:36] <M1ke> i tried setting that to the zenoss server and still a no go
[25-Apr-2007 12:26:54] <chet> Try setting that again, then retrying those snmpwalks
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[25-Apr-2007 12:28:42] <m2ke> sorry got dc
[25-Apr-2007 12:29:09] <chet> Try setting the trusted host to your zenoss IP again, then trying those snmpwalks.
[25-Apr-2007 12:29:18] <m2ke> k
[25-Apr-2007 12:31:40] <m2ke> no response still
[25-Apr-2007 12:32:38] <m2ke> lol i hate linksys
[25-Apr-2007 12:32:43] <chet> Do you have to restart it after making the changes?
[25-Apr-2007 12:33:22] <m2ke> no i set it back to the host lasttime i reset it
[25-Apr-2007 12:34:38] <m2ke> could it be running on a different port?
[25-Apr-2007 12:35:41] <chet> I doubt it, but it's possible.
[25-Apr-2007 12:36:04] <chet> Does it have a firewall that you have to punch a hole in?
[25-Apr-2007 12:36:34] <m2ke> turned all that crap off because i was getting frustrated
[25-Apr-2007 12:42:48] <m2ke> think it is a problem with the firmware going to try and update it
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[25-Apr-2007 12:46:04] <m2ke> do you know if it's possible to setup zenoss to have a server at each location and have a central server where all the data gets sent for multiple site networks?
[25-Apr-2007 12:46:22] <m2ke> like i have 2 offices and i only want 1 zenoss install
[25-Apr-2007 12:46:37] <m2ke> but want to monitor both offices
[25-Apr-2007 12:47:49] <chet> Partially, yes. You can only have one ZODB though. There are a a couple of ways to handle multiple sites.
[25-Apr-2007 12:48:06] <chet> The easiest is to not treat it as multiple sites and just monitor remote sites over a VPN.
[25-Apr-2007 12:48:28] <chet> The harder way is to setup remote status/performance monitors that report back to the central ZODB.
[25-Apr-2007 12:48:47] <m2ke> how much harder would the second way be
[25-Apr-2007 12:50:04] <chet> There's a tutorial out there somewhere that goes through it step-by-step, but the real difficulty is managing two installations and keeping their versions in sync through upgrades and all of that.
[25-Apr-2007 12:50:14] <chet> If you can do #1, I highly recommend it.
[25-Apr-2007 12:50:47] <m2ke> what would you recomend as the vpn software openvpn? i have had bad lick with msras
[25-Apr-2007 12:50:59] <chet> Personally I love OpenVPN.
[25-Apr-2007 12:51:04] <m2ke> k
[25-Apr-2007 12:51:26] <m2ke> other than the version problems is there any other downside to the second option
[25-Apr-2007 12:53:23] <chet> Few people are running a configuration like that, and there is no official documentation for it. So you'll likely run into problems that you have to figure out for yourself.
[25-Apr-2007 12:53:38] <m2ke> ok thanks
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[25-Apr-2007 17:31:08] <KeithBilly> ? - I've installed zenoss on my mac and got it running all fine and dandy. I've installed net-snmp on 3 FreeBSD machines, the dev machine where in the office (FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE) works great zenoss discovered everything about it. The two production machines ( the ones that matter ) running the same freebsd only show very minimal information. It couldn't even figure out what type of os was running, and when i try and "collect" info
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[25-Apr-2007 20:12:00] <b52Centos> hello
[25-Apr-2007 20:13:21] <b52Centos> people can yu tool a look at http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotit2.png
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[25-Apr-2007 20:13:22] <b52Centos> i got a problem to get events
[25-Apr-2007 20:43:39] <b52Centos> any one please "D
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[26-Apr-2007 06:46:10] <b52GM> can any one help to see some kinds of graphs and get events ?
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[26-Apr-2007 08:32:04] <b52GM> please someone to help me oin the perf conf ?
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[26-Apr-2007 09:51:40] <b52GM> i install with rpm
[26-Apr-2007 09:51:51] <b52GM> what the defaul password of zenoss user
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[26-Apr-2007 09:56:07] <M1ke> hey anyone here
[26-Apr-2007 09:56:39] <M1ke> is there any way to setup zenoss to use a hostname to monitor computers instead of an ip address
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[26-Apr-2007 10:01:24] <sleon> hi all
[26-Apr-2007 10:01:34] <sleon> is zenoss something like openview ?
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[26-Apr-2007 10:36:36] <erastes> anyone alive?
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[26-Apr-2007 10:49:55] <shibby_laptop> yo...I've got a quick question.
[26-Apr-2007 10:49:56] <shibby_laptop> default page size
[26-Apr-2007 10:50:03] <shibby_laptop> is there a mzx on the preference value?
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[26-Apr-2007 10:55:58] <erastes> does anyone know how to get the simpleDashboard working on the new zenoss? Since the login mechanism has changed I am unable to anonymously access anything, including the custom dashboard.
[26-Apr-2007 10:57:22] <shibby_laptop> erastes sorry, I'm not sure about that one | hopefulyl someone else will pop in
[26-Apr-2007 10:57:53] <erastes> this is the most active I have ever seen this channel.
[26-Apr-2007 10:58:01] <erastes> usually it's idle for days at a time.
[26-Apr-2007 10:58:12] <erastes> thanks for your willingness to help though
[26-Apr-2007 10:59:04] <chet> erastes: I haven't tried it yet on the new version either.
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[26-Apr-2007 11:01:02] <erastes> there's nothing about it on the forums or mailing list.
[26-Apr-2007 11:01:07] <chet> shibby_laptop: mzx?
[26-Apr-2007 11:02:06] <shibby_laptop> oops
[26-Apr-2007 11:02:07] <shibby_laptop> max
[26-Apr-2007 11:02:12] <shibby_laptop> a max limit chet
[26-Apr-2007 11:03:08] <chet> Only the amount of memory your browser can chew up.
[26-Apr-2007 11:03:33] <chet> I've set my events up to 2000 before.. slowed firefox down a bit, but it worked.
[26-Apr-2007 11:03:55] <erastes> I've gone up to 5000
[26-Apr-2007 11:04:05] <shibby_laptop> holy crap
[26-Apr-2007 11:04:21] <shibby_laptop> is there a best practice? or is it really only user preference
[26-Apr-2007 11:04:27] <erastes> when a firewall started spewing events I had to in order not to spend forever marking them all as acknowledged
[26-Apr-2007 11:04:29] <chet> The real "holy crap" is that when I selected all and moved to history or acknowledged it was pretty fast.. ~5 seconds.
[26-Apr-2007 11:04:39] <shibby_laptop> aight, tx
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[26-Apr-2007 15:41:23] <ecrist> anyone around that can help me out a bit?
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[26-Apr-2007 16:26:26] <jp10558> Hey. after a few weeks of everything running OK, I happened to restart zenoss on my test machine, and now I cannot access the web interface at all
[26-Apr-2007 16:26:41] <jp10558> top on the server shows python and python 2.4 competing for all CPU time
[26-Apr-2007 16:27:00] <jp10558> any ideas? Server reboot?
[26-Apr-2007 16:39:57] <jp10558> I tried a reboot - no luck
[26-Apr-2007 16:40:06] <jp10558> It was doing so well too
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[26-Apr-2007 16:55:41] <_zack> hi all, I'm a zenoss newbie, with some question about the "distributed" nature of zenoss
[26-Apr-2007 16:56:11] <_zack> for example, is ssh the only way of "distribute" zenoss monitoring? what if I need to monitor a host which is NAT-ed?
[26-Apr-2007 17:06:45] <bzed> one NATed host would probably not a big problem, but several hsots behind one IP... not sure if it's possible to monitor that with anything. at least I'd not know how to solve this problem with nagios
[26-Apr-2007 17:08:24] <bzed> but since zenoss is pretty modular i guess you could add the missing features, if you ahve a server to run the data collecors on, which is accessible from the outside
[26-Apr-2007 17:08:36] <bzed> but... no clue, it's just a guess
[26-Apr-2007 17:08:53] <_zack> hi bzed
[26-Apr-2007 17:09:00] <bzed> hey zack
[26-Apr-2007 17:09:02] <bzed>
[26-Apr-2007 17:09:36] <_zack> are the data collectors independent software programs that run on distributed host and "call back" the central monitoring server? am i getting this right?
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[26-Apr-2007 17:09:56] <bzed> well, they are not yet
[26-Apr-2007 17:10:06] <_zack> what do you mean?
[26-Apr-2007 17:10:28] <bzed> zenoss comes with several deamons which collect the needed things and write it into mysql and/or the ZEO
[26-Apr-2007 17:10:38] <_zack> so locally ...
[26-Apr-2007 17:10:42] <bzed> yeah
[26-Apr-2007 17:11:20] <_zack> what if I want to have monitoring agent on several machines and look at a global statistic from a machine elsewhere?
[26-Apr-2007 17:11:30] <_zack> I think it's a pretty common issue in large, scattered networks...
[26-Apr-2007 17:12:49] <bzed> the 1.1 documentation doesn't say anythgin about it, but 2.0 will come out soon
[26-Apr-2007 17:13:13] <_zack> do you have any hint that they plan to support something like that?
[26-Apr-2007 17:13:35] <bzed> I think the best hin is the svn
[26-Apr-2007 17:13:43] <_zack> eh
[26-Apr-2007 17:13:43] <_zack> ok
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[26-Apr-2007 17:22:57] <b52GM> any one could help with monitoring of my routeur
[26-Apr-2007 17:23:10] <b52GM> i can not see anything in perf thab
[26-Apr-2007 17:23:15] <b52GM> i'm monitoring with snmp
[26-Apr-2007 17:24:13] <creiht> b52GM: If it is a router, click on one of the interfaces on the OS tab
[26-Apr-2007 17:25:36] <b52GM> creiht, but how to group the graphs of the interfaces that i want and add them to perf of the device
[26-Apr-2007 17:25:46] * b52GM drop a "hello" to creiht
[26-Apr-2007 17:26:59] <b52GM> and how to get graphs that sho data by minute intervales and not days ?
[26-Apr-2007 17:27:05] <b52GM> sho/show
[26-Apr-2007 17:28:19] <creiht> There should be dropdown box at the top
[26-Apr-2007 17:28:32] <creiht> hourly, daily, weekly, etc.
[26-Apr-2007 17:29:02] <creiht> As for putting them on the perf tab, I am not completely sure
[26-Apr-2007 17:29:08] <b52GM> argh no minutes :d
[26-Apr-2007 17:29:37] <creiht> hehe
[26-Apr-2007 17:29:42] <creiht> Well you can zoom in
[26-Apr-2007 17:29:55] <b52GM> argh yeah
[26-Apr-2007 17:29:56] <creiht> And remember that it collects in 5 min intervals
[26-Apr-2007 17:30:12] <creiht> So you can only go down to a certain granularity
[26-Apr-2007 17:30:28] <b52GM> hm
[26-Apr-2007 17:31:50] <b52GM> moving some graphs of dedicated interfaces in a dashroad/perf of the devices seems interesting but seems complex to do !
[26-Apr-2007 17:38:03] <b52GM> people are you monitoring ssh true nagions plugin ?
[26-Apr-2007 17:39:23] <b52GM> i want to establish if someone connect true my ssh i want get an alert to a cell phone , is it possible ?
[26-Apr-2007 17:39:47] * b52GM is asking stupid question
[26-Apr-2007 17:40:34] <creiht> b52GM: Probably the easiest way to do that is set sshd to log each connection and send that to ZenOSS with syslog
[26-Apr-2007 17:41:08] <b52GM> euh
[26-Apr-2007 17:41:44] <b52GM> creiht, a link to a faq that describe that , or i must google ?
[26-Apr-2007 17:41:50] <creiht> hehe
[26-Apr-2007 17:41:52] <creiht> hrmm
[26-Apr-2007 17:42:54] <creiht> b52: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToForwardSyslogMessagesToZenoss
[26-Apr-2007 17:42:54] <adytum-bot^> Title: HowToForwardSyslogMessagesToZenoss - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[26-Apr-2007 17:44:20] <b52GM> creiht, ok thanks
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[26-Apr-2007 19:28:57] <cavediver> Hi.
[26-Apr-2007 19:29:24] <cavediver> What's the easiest way to get a new manufacturer in Zenoss ?
[26-Apr-2007 19:46:09] <cavediver> I get seg fault when trying to import the mib
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[26-Apr-2007 20:08:50] <cavediver> Anyone here ?
[26-Apr-2007 20:58:11] <bzed> a seg fault?
[26-Apr-2007 20:59:07] <bzed> bot a normal python backtrace, but a real segfault ?
[26-Apr-2007 21:03:40] <cavediver> Dunnu.
[26-Apr-2007 21:03:55] <cavediver> That's what it says anyway
[26-Apr-2007 21:26:05] <bzed> where does it say it?
[26-Apr-2007 21:26:31] <bzed> are you on a console at the moemnt, oder in the browser and the output is from somewhere deep in zope?
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[27-Apr-2007 06:05:26] <_zack> hi all, question about the distributed nature of zenoss: what's the best deployment solution for having several monitoring instances of zenoss (e.g. scattered in several LANs) and collect data from a single source?
[27-Apr-2007 06:05:56] <_zack> if I understood that correctly the various instances in the LANs will all have an sql database, some rrd data, and a zeodb locally
[27-Apr-2007 06:06:09] <_zack> right?
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[27-Apr-2007 08:19:07] <jp10558> anyone know how to check / fix the http interface for zenoss? I restarted zenoss, and it seems everything but the web interface is working
[27-Apr-2007 08:28:33] <bzed> is a zope process running?
[27-Apr-2007 08:30:04] <jp10558> I did top
[27-Apr-2007 08:30:08] <jp10558> and I don't see zope listed
[27-Apr-2007 08:30:20] <jp10558> can I just do sevice zope start?"
[27-Apr-2007 08:31:42] <jp10558> ok, that didn't work - how do I start zope?
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[27-Apr-2007 08:42:07] <jp10558> when I try and start zope with zopectl start I get python2.4 using up most of the CPU for a few minutes and then nothing
[27-Apr-2007 08:42:16] <jp10558> no new processes I can see . . . no web interface...
[27-Apr-2007 08:42:25] <jp10558> any idea what log file might give a clue?
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[27-Apr-2007 09:19:49] <bzed> jp10558: the zenoss start/stop script should start the zope server
[27-Apr-2007 09:20:38] <bzed> there shoudl be a log file somewhere in your zenoss directory.... not exactly sure where, as I can't look into it yet
[27-Apr-2007 09:22:11] <jp10558> I would have thought it would - it used to
[27-Apr-2007 09:24:13] <bzed> is probably some other process blocking the port?
[27-Apr-2007 09:29:25] <jp10558> mmm , netstat just shows portmap at 8080
[27-Apr-2007 09:29:28] <jp10558> what is that?
[27-Apr-2007 09:32:18] <erastes> does anyone know how to enable anonymous access to the simpleDashboard in the new zenoss? The login mechanism changed and now you have to login to see anything
[27-Apr-2007 09:43:13] <bzed> jp10558: portmap is the portmapper.. you need it for nfs and several other services
[27-Apr-2007 09:43:39] <bzed> but portmap should listen on 111 and not on 8080
[27-Apr-2007 09:43:53] <bzed> are you sure it's on 8080? and on which port is zenoss runnign normally?
[27-Apr-2007 09:43:54] <bzed> well
[27-Apr-2007 09:44:24] <bzed> you probably want to find a trustworthy linux geek and give him a shell on your computer
[27-Apr-2007 09:46:38] <jp10558> Well, looks like I need to bump this to my linux guys then
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[27-Apr-2007 13:54:55] <jp10558> Well, we changed the port - no luck
[27-Apr-2007 13:55:02] <jp10558> still cannot connect to the web interface
[27-Apr-2007 13:55:26] <jp10558> can I do an upgrade to 1.1.2 without loosing the configuration? Would it be at all likely to fix this problem?
[27-Apr-2007 13:55:45] <jp10558> And what is the recommendation for 1.1.2 on SL4/RHEL4? I see RHEL5...
[27-Apr-2007 13:55:53] <jp10558> Should I use the CENTOS 43?
[27-Apr-2007 13:56:00] <jp10558> or try source again?
[27-Apr-2007 13:56:09] <chet> Changed what port?
[27-Apr-2007 13:56:29] <chet> Sorry, I probably missed how this discussion started..
[27-Apr-2007 13:56:34] <jp10558> oh for portmapper
[27-Apr-2007 13:56:57] <jp10558> basically, yesterday we were playing with using an alternate e-mail address for alerts as opposed to the users e-mail address
[27-Apr-2007 13:57:11] <jp10558> we were sending to hypernews for a mailing list style alert management
[27-Apr-2007 13:57:27] <jp10558> anyway, it wasn't working quite right, so we turned off ZenSysLog and enabled syslog to see what was happening
[27-Apr-2007 13:57:37] <jp10558> my linux guy wanted to restart zenoss, we did
[27-Apr-2007 13:57:56] <jp10558> ever since that, zenoss has been working, but the web interface is down - either connection reset or 404
[27-Apr-2007 13:58:07] <jp10558> well, no sorry not 404, actually a time out in FF
[27-Apr-2007 13:58:25] <jp10558> so, I was netstating to see what was happening, if something was blocking the port on a recommendation from here
[27-Apr-2007 13:58:42] <jp10558> portmapper was for some reason, we restarted that, it grabbed a different port
[27-Apr-2007 13:58:45] <jp10558> leaving 8080 open
[27-Apr-2007 13:58:52] <jp10558> we restarted zenoss again from the commandline script
[27-Apr-2007 13:59:04] <jp10558> and again, zenoss seems to be monitoring and all, but the web interface is MIA
[27-Apr-2007 14:00:41] <chet> Odd..
[27-Apr-2007 14:00:56] <chet> Run "lsof -P | grep 8080" as root
[27-Apr-2007 14:01:08] <chet> Then "zopectl status" as the zenoss user.
[27-Apr-2007 14:01:49] <jp10558> the first returns nothing
[27-Apr-2007 14:02:34] <jp10558> second returns daemon manager not running
[27-Apr-2007 14:03:23] <chet> The do "zopectl start" as the zenoss user.. wait a second, then do the "zopectl status" again.
[27-Apr-2007 14:04:33] <jp10558> I get program running, PID=16534
[27-Apr-2007 14:04:42] <jp10558> err 16532
[27-Apr-2007 14:05:32] <chet> So far so good.. try the web interface.
[27-Apr-2007 14:05:58] <jp10558> Server not found
[27-Apr-2007 14:06:02] <jp10558> from firefox
[27-Apr-2007 14:06:47] <jp10558> though now, firefox seems to be trying http://server:8080, but then failing out and saying http://www.server.com:8080 ... I think this is just because FF is not getting a connection to the first though
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[27-Apr-2007 14:07:34] <jp10558> ok
[27-Apr-2007 14:07:54] <jp10558> now I got it to say Unable to connect to http://server:8080
[27-Apr-2007 14:07:54] <jp10558> but still get that error
[27-Apr-2007 14:08:19] <chet> I wonder if iptables is blocking the connection..
[27-Apr-2007 14:08:23] <jp10558> Opera gives the same error, so the thing is down
[27-Apr-2007 14:08:30] <jp10558> we don't run iptables on the machine?
[27-Apr-2007 14:08:42] <chet> ok, run the lsof command again.
[27-Apr-2007 14:08:52] <jp10558> And just now, when I ran zopectl status
[27-Apr-2007 14:08:57] <jp10558> it says the daemon isn't running
[27-Apr-2007 14:09:10] <jp10558> the lsof is blank also
[27-Apr-2007 14:09:20] <chet> Hmm.. do you have any *.zec files in $ZENHOME/var ?
[27-Apr-2007 14:09:46] <jp10558> yes
[27-Apr-2007 14:09:54] <jp10558> I have zeo1-1.zec
[27-Apr-2007 14:10:25] <chet> Remove that file, then do zopectl start again.
[27-Apr-2007 14:10:33] <chet> Then try the web interface.
[27-Apr-2007 14:11:40] <jp10558> that did it
[27-Apr-2007 14:11:43] <jp10558> amazing
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[27-Apr-2007 14:12:47] <chet> That zeo1-1.zec files is the persistent cache for the zope application server. On rare occasions it can become corrupt.
[27-Apr-2007 14:13:46] <jp10558> That .... maybe should go on a wiki somewhere (or did I just not find it)
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[27-Apr-2007 14:20:16] <jp10558> Thank you chet
[27-Apr-2007 14:20:20] <jp10558> that was a great help
[27-Apr-2007 14:20:39] <chet> No problem.. it's one of those problems that's tricky to search for.
[27-Apr-2007 14:23:36] <erastes> none of you know how to enable anonymous access in the new zenoss do you?
[27-Apr-2007 14:25:24] <chet> Someone on the mailing list suggested creating a "public" account, then sticking ?__ac_name=public&__ac_password=password" on the end of the URL.
[27-Apr-2007 14:26:57] <jp10558> So, looking forward - how is the upgrade process for 2 looking? Or just in general, how are the devs treating upgrading?
[27-Apr-2007 14:28:00] <chet> They're very concerned with making upgrading as painless as possible. After all, they have customer that need to be upgraded.
[27-Apr-2007 14:28:29] <chet> I did the upgrade on my system, and it worked after some initial problems. Really it's just a documentation issue. The support is there for it.
[27-Apr-2007 14:28:51] <creiht> jp10558: I've done about 5 upgrades now, and they have all gone fairly smoothly... I would expect that to continue
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[27-Apr-2007 14:33:50] <jp10558> Ok - seeing as my initial issues were with RPMs... does the source install support an upgrade?
[27-Apr-2007 14:34:48] <WolfeWLU> Any chance we can get a site to contribute templates to?
[27-Apr-2007 14:40:36] <chet> RPM and source both support upgrades. *Please* always backup your whole zenoss directory before doing either one though.. you may be glad you did.
[27-Apr-2007 14:42:54] <jp10558> ok, good to know
[27-Apr-2007 14:44:01] <chet> WolfeWLU: That would be nice, but I don't see any actual Zenoss people on here at the moment.
[27-Apr-2007 14:45:16] <WolfeWLU> Hmm...
[27-Apr-2007 14:45:26] <jp10558> chet: you're not a Zenoss person? You do a good impersonation.
[27-Apr-2007 14:45:49] <WolfeWLU> We're doing a lot of leg work getting Juniper, Foundry and Solaris 10 templates together...thought it'd be nice to share the wealth. :-)
[27-Apr-2007 14:46:25] <jp10558> It would be!
[27-Apr-2007 14:46:27] <chet> jp10558: heh.. I'm just a user like you.
[27-Apr-2007 14:47:03] <chet> WolfeWLU: At the very least you could package them up and send to the mailing list/forum.
[27-Apr-2007 14:48:15] <WolfeWLU> chet: That'd work. Thanks. :-)
[27-Apr-2007 14:49:02] <chet> The mailing list is a lot more active than this channel. Not as many people interested in IRC these days.
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[27-Apr-2007 14:49:47] <WolfeWLU> chet: That's too bad. Its really nice when you're in a bind and need a fix. :-)
[27-Apr-2007 14:51:12] <chet> I think they prefer to trade that kind of support for money. =}
[27-Apr-2007 14:51:13] <bzed> WolfeWLU: is that all under an open source license?
[27-Apr-2007 14:51:31] <WolfeWLU> bzed: The templates?
[27-Apr-2007 14:51:34] <WolfeWLU> Yeah. BSD.
[27-Apr-2007 14:51:34] <bzed> yes
[27-Apr-2007 14:51:57] <WolfeWLU> Anything we contribute is usually under BSD.
[27-Apr-2007 14:52:24] <bzed> can you put them on some webpage, together with an appropriate license/copyright file?
[27-Apr-2007 14:52:34] <WolfeWLU> Sure. We can put 'em on a blog.
[27-Apr-2007 14:52:35] <bzed> probably in an archive or so
[27-Apr-2007 14:53:09] <bzed> if you've done so and I'm not here, please drop a mail to 361253@bugs.debian.org
[27-Apr-2007 14:53:53] <WolfeWLU> bzed: Will do.
[27-Apr-2007 14:53:58] <bzed> I'll integrate them into the debian packag we're working on and I'll also send the zenoss people to your blog
[27-Apr-2007 14:54:02] <bzed> thanks a lot
[27-Apr-2007 14:54:27] <WolfeWLU> bzed: That'd be terrific. Thank you!
[27-Apr-2007 14:55:01] <bzed> no a problem at all, thanks for sharing the templates!
[27-Apr-2007 14:55:49] <WolfeWLU> bzed: Np. Pain should be a onetime thing. ;-)
[27-Apr-2007 14:56:09] <bzed> definitely
[27-Apr-2007 14:56:33] <bzed> that's why I try to finish my new server tonight, so I can get the dbeian packages done.... a lot of work waiting
[27-Apr-2007 14:57:25] <WolfeWLU> :-)
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[27-Apr-2007 14:59:35] <jp10558> Hmm, the forum seems much slower than IRC
[27-Apr-2007 14:59:56] <jp10558> I wish I could join the mailing list, it sounds like everything is happening there ... and not getting to the forum
[27-Apr-2007 15:01:40] <bzed> http://community.zenoss.com/discussion-groups
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[27-Apr-2007 15:07:09] <jp10558> my god - it actually worked instead of giving an error this time!
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[28-Apr-2007 04:17:14] <_zack> question about the wiki: is it editable by registered users of the community? I tried using my community acocunt credentials but the login failed...
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[28-Apr-2007 17:14:42] <cavediver> Hi... I can't seem to get my extreme-mibs in and working.
[28-Apr-2007 17:15:12] <cavediver> When I add a switch I only get uptime-measurement and nothing seems to be recognized.'
[28-Apr-2007 17:17:55] <cavediver> I need some help getting those mibs in there
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[28-Apr-2007 17:50:33] <cavediver> Noone here ?
[28-Apr-2007 17:57:23] <cavediver> That's bad... for me
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[29-Apr-2007 06:01:54] <Scapy> hi im getting errors when im installing zenoss : build-functions.sh: line 212: mysql_config: command not found
[29-Apr-2007 06:08:23] <dene> what os ?
[29-Apr-2007 06:12:48] <Scapy> debian
[29-Apr-2007 06:25:31] <Scapy> hmm
[29-Apr-2007 06:25:35] <Scapy> any ideas anyone
[29-Apr-2007 06:33:44] <dene> ah
[29-Apr-2007 06:33:44] <dene> sorry
[29-Apr-2007 06:33:51] <Scapy>
[29-Apr-2007 06:33:51] <dene> there's a mysql-dev package you need to install
[29-Apr-2007 06:33:57] <dene> should be able to just apt-get install mysql-dev
[29-Apr-2007 06:33:59] <Scapy> can you direct me to it
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:11] <dene> if not, you can apt-cache search mysql | grep dev
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:12] <Scapy> nope not there can i have a repo for it ?
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:14] <dene> and it'll show up there
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:18] <dene> um
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:19] <Scapy> nope did that all
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:21] <dene> good question
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:27] <dene> i dont have access to a debian box right now
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:39] <dene> holdon
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:46] <Scapy> thanks
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:00] <dene> libmysql++-dev
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:00] <dene> sorry
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:05] <dene> that should be the badger
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:09] <Scapy> SHWEET
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:20] <Scapy> i have it but i didnt think i would install it hehe
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:22] <dene> ah
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:23] <dene> no
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:25] <dene> that's not it
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:30] <dene> libmysqlclient15-dev
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:32] <dene> that is
[29-Apr-2007 06:37:03] <dene> if you look here:
[29-Apr-2007 06:37:10] <dene> http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
[29-Apr-2007 06:37:10] <adytum-bot^> Title: Debian -- Packages (at www.debian.org)
[29-Apr-2007 06:37:10] <dene> you can type in a filename on the last form
[29-Apr-2007 06:37:12] <dene> and it'll find what package it's in
[29-Apr-2007 06:37:37] <Scapy> found it in my repos
[29-Apr-2007 06:40:40] <Scapy> shall i keep all installation default answers better ?
[29-Apr-2007 06:40:54] <dene> i'd change the passwords if i were you
[29-Apr-2007 06:40:59] <dene> but other than that, the defaults are fine
[29-Apr-2007 06:40:59] <Scapy> yeah i did that
[29-Apr-2007 06:42:07] <Scapy> hmmm file to patch ?
[29-Apr-2007 06:42:52] <Scapy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18226/
[29-Apr-2007 06:42:52] <adytum-bot^> Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[29-Apr-2007 06:43:34] <Scapy> i dont have bzip2 installed ?
[29-Apr-2007 06:43:37] <Scapy> hehe
[29-Apr-2007 06:44:46] <dene> nope
[29-Apr-2007 06:44:54] <dene> install it
[29-Apr-2007 06:45:25] <Scapy> hmmm i have python crypto and its nagging about it
[29-Apr-2007 06:46:47] <Scapy> unpacking pycrypto-1.9a6 in build/ installing pycrypto make: *** [pycrypto-install] Error 1
[29-Apr-2007 06:48:24] <Scapy> i wonder if its an python-m2crypto problem
[29-Apr-2007 06:48:32] <Scapy> <3 python i assume it is
[29-Apr-2007 06:48:36] <Scapy> let me check
[29-Apr-2007 06:48:53] <dene> check zenbuild.log
[29-Apr-2007 06:50:59] <Scapy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18227/
[29-Apr-2007 06:50:59] <adytum-bot^> Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[29-Apr-2007 06:50:59] <Scapy> i cant figure it out though
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[29-Apr-2007 06:54:04] <dene> you need the python dev package as well
[29-Apr-2007 06:54:32] <dene> use the debian package page to find out what package Python.h lives in
[29-Apr-2007 06:56:51] <Scapy> damn that site is useful
[29-Apr-2007 06:57:02] <dene> indeed
[29-Apr-2007 06:57:05] <Scapy> indeed
[29-Apr-2007 06:57:17] <Scapy> im new to debian acctually
[29-Apr-2007 06:58:04] <dene> i only use it because i inherited it
[29-Apr-2007 06:58:08] <dene> and we run ftp.nz.debian.org ;p
[29-Apr-2007 07:00:11] <bzed> you have luck we're working on debian packages at the moment
[29-Apr-2007 07:00:29] <dene> that'd be nice
[29-Apr-2007 07:00:30] <bzed> should be in unstable at the end of may hopefullt
[29-Apr-2007 07:00:33] <bzed> hopefully
[29-Apr-2007 07:00:44] <Scapy> nice
[29-Apr-2007 07:00:45] <dene> also would be nice not to have to have a second version of everything within the zenoss dist
[29-Apr-2007 07:00:48] <Scapy> is ti all in python ?
[29-Apr-2007 07:01:06] <dene> but that's just a nicety
[29-Apr-2007 07:01:09] <dene> i dont mind all that much
[29-Apr-2007 07:01:32] <bzed> dene: right, that's why it's a bit of work to package it
[29-Apr-2007 07:01:52] <dene> yup, not so much complaining
[29-Apr-2007 07:01:58] <dene> has it's benefits as well
[29-Apr-2007 07:02:02] <dene> -'
[29-Apr-2007 07:02:20] <bzed> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1551&highlight= you wanna read that until there're packages
[29-Apr-2007 07:02:20] <adytum-bot^> Title: Forums :: View topic - Installing on Debian etch using mostly native packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[29-Apr-2007 07:02:53] <dene> eh, until there's an actual packages
[29-Apr-2007 07:02:57] <Scapy> question
[29-Apr-2007 07:03:02] <Scapy> is zenoss better or nagios ?
[29-Apr-2007 07:03:05] <dene> i'd rather just be able to tar cf /usr/local/zenoss
[29-Apr-2007 07:03:07] <bzed> dene: yeah. figuring out the real dependencies took me a while, and there's still one dep waiting in NEW
[29-Apr-2007 07:03:11] <dene> that's handy
[29-Apr-2007 07:03:34] <bzed> ah, you could do it the zope way
[29-Apr-2007 07:03:52] <dene> ack
[29-Apr-2007 07:04:00] <dene> and here i thought you were being nice and hiding zope from me
[29-Apr-2007 07:04:01] <dene> ;p
[29-Apr-2007 07:04:04] <bzed> I think there's a backup script somewhere in the zenoss bin dir, and if not, you could use the zope zmi to export your data
[29-Apr-2007 07:04:26] <bzed> Scapy: zenoss. times better than nagios, and you can use the nagios plugins with it
[29-Apr-2007 07:04:43] <bzed> Scapy: and yes, zenoss is all python and runing on zope
[29-Apr-2007 07:04:46] <dene> nagios does have one thing i like, that i can't seem to replicate with zenoss..
[29-Apr-2007 07:04:48] <dene> NRPE
[29-Apr-2007 07:05:02] <Scapy> bzed, nice seems like i will contribute to it if i have free time
[29-Apr-2007 07:05:23] <dene> mind you, i havent tried all that hard
[29-Apr-2007 07:06:03] <bzed> dene: there was a posting about such things on the zenoss user list, seems like they want to add more features for distributed monitoring to 2.0
[29-Apr-2007 07:06:15] <dene> ah
[29-Apr-2007 07:06:29] <dene> perhaps i should pay attention then
[29-Apr-2007 07:06:37] <dene> but i was busy falling off a cliff this weekend =\
[29-Apr-2007 07:06:46] <bzed> Scapy: there's a zenoss-dev mailing list. you can subscribe to it on the profile page in the community part of the website, or just use the forums
[29-Apr-2007 07:07:00] <Scapy> mailing lists are less havoc for me
[29-Apr-2007 07:07:12] <bzed> same here
[29-Apr-2007 07:07:14] <bzed> i hate forums
[29-Apr-2007 07:07:38] <Scapy> i like the idea that its coded in python
[29-Apr-2007 07:07:46] <Scapy> well wait everything now is being coded in python
[29-Apr-2007 07:07:49] <Scapy> heh
[29-Apr-2007 07:08:13] <bzed> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=361253 if there's anything you want to add to the debian packaging, mail it to this bug. please note that the stupid first mails are not from me ;P
[29-Apr-2007 07:08:13] <adytum-bot^> Title: #361253 - ITP: zenoss -- infrastucture monitoring and managment system - Debian Bug report logs (at bugs.debian.org)
[29-Apr-2007 07:13:57] <Scapy> hmmm the mailing list subscribtion doesnt work when i mail zenoss-dev@zenoss.org
[29-Apr-2007 07:14:48] <Scapy> mehhh
[29-Apr-2007 07:14:51] <Scapy> i have to login
[29-Apr-2007 07:15:57] <bzed> yeah
[29-Apr-2007 07:16:26] <bzed> zenoss-dev@zenoss.org is the list
[29-Apr-2007 07:16:55] <bzed> you need to create an account for the community page and then edit your profile, scroll down.. there you can register to the mailigs
[29-Apr-2007 07:19:50] <Scapy> yeah i did that
[29-Apr-2007 07:19:53] <Scapy> MySQL root passwd: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[29-Apr-2007 07:19:54] <Scapy> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'zenoss'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[29-Apr-2007 07:19:54] <Scapy> mysql install, user or password is incorrect
[29-Apr-2007 07:19:59] <Scapy> why am i getting these errorsa
[29-Apr-2007 07:20:04] <Scapy> when i have set passwd for root
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:07] <Scapy> ERROR 1133 (42000): Can't find any matching row in the user table
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:08] <Scapy> mysql> SET PASSWORD FOR 'root'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('mypasswd');
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:08] <Scapy> Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.03 sec)
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:08] <Scapy> mysql> SET PASSWORD FOR 'zenoss'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('mypasswd');
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:08] <Scapy> ERROR 1133 (42000): Can't find any matching row in the user table
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:08] <Scapy> mysql>
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:27] <Scapy> mypasswd isnt mypasswd ofcourse :\
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:31] <bzed> hehe
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:00] <Scapy> bzed, any ideas ?
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:02] <bzed> sorry, that's nothign I know yet
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:14] <Scapy> oh mah gosh
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:18] <Scapy> :\
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:36] <bzed> ask me again when I'm done with all the install scripts for debian
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:48] <Scapy> lol
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:48] <bzed> but ehre're more people, or ask on the user list...
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:52] <Scapy> does this work on freebsd ?
[29-Apr-2007 07:30:35] <bzed> there was a post on the list that somebody tried it on openbsd
[29-Apr-2007 07:30:55] <bzed> seems it's not too uch fun to get all the stuff to compile, but it seems you can do it
[29-Apr-2007 07:31:09] <Scapy> if i get it to work on debian i will try it on freebsd
[29-Apr-2007 07:31:22] <Scapy> im going to remove my root passwd from mysql atm and test again
[29-Apr-2007 07:31:25] * bzed has to leave now.. will be back later or tomorrow...
[29-Apr-2007 07:31:48] <Scapy> have a nice one man thanks
[29-Apr-2007 07:31:51] <bzed> not sure where your problem with the root password is, it worked well when I installed it on debian
[29-Apr-2007 07:31:55] <bzed> you too!
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[29-Apr-2007 08:02:17] <Scapy> anyone alive ?
[29-Apr-2007 08:03:14] <Scapy> i got zenoss running but how do i configure it to add hosts
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[29-Apr-2007 09:37:37] <aaahhh> anyone here
[29-Apr-2007 09:44:20] <aaahhh> nvm
[29-Apr-2007 09:44:26] <aaahhh> figured it out
[29-Apr-2007 09:44:36] <aaahhh> apparently to install from source in ubuntu feisty
[29-Apr-2007 09:44:56] <aaahhh> you have to apt-get install python-all-dev
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[29-Apr-2007 10:25:34] <Scapy> hmmm
[29-Apr-2007 10:25:44] <Scapy> when i add devices to zenoss i dont get full information
[29-Apr-2007 10:25:56] <Scapy> uptime is missing
[29-Apr-2007 10:26:06] <Scapy> and so on
[29-Apr-2007 11:23:30] <Scapy> is any body around yet ?
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[29-Apr-2007 12:24:42] <Scapy> bzed, awake ?
[29-Apr-2007 12:50:10] <Scapy> anyone awake ?
[29-Apr-2007 12:56:25] <bzed> yeah for a few minutes
[29-Apr-2007 13:05:59] <Scapy> hmm
[29-Apr-2007 13:06:07] <Scapy> i donno why am i having problems
[29-Apr-2007 13:07:50] <Scapy> can i see your snmpd.conf
[29-Apr-2007 13:09:54] <Scapy> i cant see my OS , nor H/w , nor , s/w in the devices list
[29-Apr-2007 13:12:30] <Scapy> and the perf isnt showing any graphs
[29-Apr-2007 13:13:01] <Scapy> and when i do collect information
[29-Apr-2007 13:13:11] <Scapy> it takes a hell of a lot of time and no response
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[29-Apr-2007 13:57:30] <Scapy> ???!
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[29-Apr-2007 14:36:20] <Scapy> anyone alive yet
[29-Apr-2007 14:47:30] <Scapy> ! damn support channel hehe !
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[29-Apr-2007 15:01:15] <Scapy> anyone alive yet!
[29-Apr-2007 15:12:01] <cavediver> Yes...
[29-Apr-2007 15:12:02] <cavediver>
[29-Apr-2007 15:12:30] <Scapy> can you help me ? with zenoss
[29-Apr-2007 15:15:26] <cavediver> Sorry, I'm in need of help myself. Totally new to zenoss...
[29-Apr-2007 15:16:41] <Scapy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18271/
[29-Apr-2007 15:16:41] <adytum-bot^> Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[29-Apr-2007 15:16:41] <Scapy> check it if this happens with you
[29-Apr-2007 15:17:04] <Scapy> its taking thousands of minutes
[29-Apr-2007 15:17:18] <cavediver> Haven't seen that
[29-Apr-2007 15:17:24] <Scapy> hmm
[29-Apr-2007 15:17:43] <Scapy> it just stops there
[29-Apr-2007 15:17:57] <Scapy> hmmm im thinking of reinstalling it
[29-Apr-2007 15:18:01] <Scapy> now that snmp is working
[29-Apr-2007 15:19:42] <cavediver> I'm having problem importing mibs..
[29-Apr-2007 15:21:07] <Scapy> im having problems getting it to work acctually
[29-Apr-2007 15:21:19] <Scapy> what guide did you read from and is it on windows or linux
[29-Apr-2007 15:21:45] <cavediver> I'm using the vmware image and have equiment from Extreme.
[29-Apr-2007 15:22:11] <Scapy> i have alot of boxes remote
[29-Apr-2007 15:24:24] <Scapy> what article did you read ?
[29-Apr-2007 15:24:38] <cavediver> A read the official faq.
[29-Apr-2007 15:27:10] <Scapy> hte Admin guide pdf ?
[29-Apr-2007 15:27:19] <cavediver> No, the FAQ.
[29-Apr-2007 15:27:32] <Scapy> hook me up
[29-Apr-2007 15:27:41] <Scapy> i have this shitty admin guide
[29-Apr-2007 15:27:45] <Scapy> i donno who wrote it
[29-Apr-2007 15:27:52] <Scapy> but it sucks
[29-Apr-2007 15:27:56] <cavediver> [#zenoss]
[29-Apr-2007 15:28:00] <cavediver> oops
[29-Apr-2007 15:28:13] <cavediver> http://community.zenoss.com/faq
[29-Apr-2007 16:15:00] <Scapy> damn it its still laggs on collecting information
[29-Apr-2007 16:21:17] <Scapy> is anyone here yet
[29-Apr-2007 16:27:46] <b52lap> Scapy, yu shuld try mailling list ....
[29-Apr-2007 16:28:31] <Scapy> i did
[29-Apr-2007 16:28:33] <Scapy> everything
[29-Apr-2007 16:29:39] <Scapy> i donno
[29-Apr-2007 16:29:40] <Scapy> why
[29-Apr-2007 16:29:44] <Scapy> is it stoping here
[29-Apr-2007 16:30:18] <Scapy> b52lap, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18271/
[29-Apr-2007 16:30:18] <adytum-bot^> Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[29-Apr-2007 16:31:54] <dene> can you actually reach that device ?
[29-Apr-2007 16:58:59] <cavediver> Noone here that can help me get the Extreme networks mib imported correctly ?
[29-Apr-2007 17:01:36] <b52lap> cavediver, mailling list ....
[29-Apr-2007 17:02:02] <cavediver> What´s wrong with irc?
[29-Apr-2007 17:02:18] <Scapy> ok i fixed the timeout issue
[29-Apr-2007 17:02:23] <Scapy> now i cant get the uptime
[29-Apr-2007 17:02:34] <Scapy> Uptime Unknown
[29-Apr-2007 17:02:41] <Scapy> WTF is wrong with it
[29-Apr-2007 17:05:25] <cavediver>
[29-Apr-2007 17:05:48] <cavediver> I ask the same... I can't get along with the mib-importer
[29-Apr-2007 17:06:09] <Scapy> i got it to work one time
[29-Apr-2007 17:06:10] <Scapy> lol
[29-Apr-2007 17:06:14] <Scapy> i cant remember what i did
[29-Apr-2007 18:20:06] <Scapy> hmmm
[29-Apr-2007 18:20:12] <Scapy> i wish someone useful would wake up
[29-Apr-2007 18:24:29] <b52lap> Scapy, you got a very polite way to ask for help ....
[29-Apr-2007 18:24:46] <Scapy> b52lap, i have patience
[29-Apr-2007 18:25:44] <b52lap> Scapy, i mean , yu are "ordering " people t help yu ... irc channel support is an advantage not an obligation ....
[29-Apr-2007 18:26:18] <Scapy> b52lap, i dont see my self ordering
[29-Apr-2007 18:26:25] <Scapy> dont get offended anyways
[29-Apr-2007 18:26:42] <b52lap> Scapy, no offence , no problem :d
[29-Apr-2007 18:26:51] <Scapy> can you help me though ?
[29-Apr-2007 18:27:14] <b52lap> Scapy, sorry , no i'm a noob my self ... :d
[29-Apr-2007 18:27:25] <Scapy> lies
[29-Apr-2007 18:27:28] <Scapy>
[29-Apr-2007 18:27:37] <b52lap> i swear
[29-Apr-2007 18:29:28] <Scapy> THEN WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING!
[29-Apr-2007 18:29:33] <Scapy> =D
[29-Apr-2007 18:30:51] <b52lap> as i said , you way of expressing question have "ennoyed" me and others as i guess
[29-Apr-2007 18:36:38] <dene> or
[29-Apr-2007 18:36:42] <dene> we have actual work to do ;p
[29-Apr-2007 18:42:14] <b52lap> :d
[29-Apr-2007 18:44:04] <Scapy> i have work to do too :\
[29-Apr-2007 18:44:11] <Scapy> but i assume no one here can help me
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[29-Apr-2007 19:05:13] <b52lap> " no one here can help me " .... pffffffffffff even if they can they will not want to ....
[29-Apr-2007 19:05:27] <Scapy> LOL
[29-Apr-2007 19:05:54] <b52lap> because of your way of speaking ...
[29-Apr-2007 19:06:36] <Scapy> b52lap, well can you show me how i should speak, i it might make me improve the way i speak
[29-Apr-2007 19:07:49] <b52lap> Scapy, hello guys , expose your problem -> try to google , go and WRRITTEEE AND THE MAILLING LIST --> if no one asnwer it because they are busy and don't take as a personnal matter of a offence !
[29-Apr-2007 19:08:12] <Scapy> thank you i will use it as a template
[29-Apr-2007 19:08:32] <b52lap> your welcome
[29-Apr-2007 19:09:32] <Scapy> btw you have a spelling mistake
[29-Apr-2007 19:09:48] <Scapy> " go and WRRITTEEE AND THE MAILLING LIST "
[29-Apr-2007 19:10:35] <Scapy> is that supposed to be to ? i dont want to be looking stupid :\ when im speaking it might sound BAD!
[29-Apr-2007 19:11:08] <b52lap> Scapy, you could upload the topic and say that it's forbidden to speak a bad english ! ?
[29-Apr-2007 19:11:30] <Scapy> no that will be racism
[29-Apr-2007 19:11:42] <Scapy> are you a racist ?
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:01] <b52lap> depend how yu define "racist "
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:03] <b52lap> ?\
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:19] <b52lap> but i believe all people are racist in a way or another ....
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:23] <Scapy> people who don't speak English
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:35] <b52lap> Scapy, ?
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:40] <b52lap> did get your idea ?
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:45] <b52lap> didn't get your idea ?
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:56] <Scapy> thats it
[29-Apr-2007 19:13:09] <Scapy> you get it but you dont get it
[29-Apr-2007 19:13:10] <Scapy> anyways
[29-Apr-2007 19:13:14] <Scapy> my joint is finished
[29-Apr-2007 19:13:29] <Scapy> ill be comming back later to see if anyone is kind enough to help
[29-Apr-2007 19:13:38] <Scapy> thank you people
[29-Apr-2007 19:14:07] <b52lap> your welcome !
[29-Apr-2007 19:14:12] <b52lap> Scapy, have a good day
[29-Apr-2007 19:14:34] <Scapy> i am trying to, excpet my bsd box started to be a bitch
[29-Apr-2007 19:14:41] <b52lap> hhhh
[29-Apr-2007 19:16:48] <Scapy> ?
[29-Apr-2007 19:16:57] <b52lap> forget forget ...
[29-Apr-2007 19:17:12] <Scapy> forget++
[29-Apr-2007 19:17:18] <b52lap> :d
[29-Apr-2007 19:17:26] <Scapy> d:)
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[30-Apr-2007 09:48:03] <jp10558> Hey, anyone using SNMP informant ever had a problem getting it to work on a 32bit WinXP SP2 machine? I'm getting an error in eventlog:
[30-Apr-2007 09:48:25] <jp10558> The SNMP Service is ignoring extension agent dll C:\Program Files\SNMP Informant\standard\informant_std.dll because it is missing or misconfigured.
[30-Apr-2007 09:48:36] <jp10558> but the file is there, I can see it with explorer ...
[30-Apr-2007 09:48:58] <jp10558> The only help I got on the Informant forum was that Informant doesn't work with 64bit ... but I'm not trying to use it that way
[30-Apr-2007 09:49:08] <jp10558> it seems random which of my machines it will work on!
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[02-Apr-2007 03:12:29] <Snake-Eyes> Is there a place to add what software/packages a machine has (I dont mean services) ?
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[02-Apr-2007 07:05:13] <jeg1972> Morning everyone
[02-Apr-2007 07:31:59] <Tinuva> morning
[02-Apr-2007 07:32:15] <Tinuva> oh wait its afternoon here
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[02-Apr-2007 08:13:02] <jeg1972> It's afternoon here now :-)
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[02-Apr-2007 09:21:34] <jp10558> chet: hey, I'm trying to follow your source install howto, but once I install mysql, I try service mysqld start, but I get an unrecognized service error. Any idea?
[02-Apr-2007 09:28:45] <N[]VA> whats the exact error?
[02-Apr-2007 09:32:30] <chet> jp10558: Do you have the /etc/init.d/mysqld file?
[02-Apr-2007 09:34:38] <jp10558> no
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[02-Apr-2007 09:39:02] <chet> Are you sure that the mysql RPM actually installed?
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[02-Apr-2007 09:57:17] <jreese2> hah!
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[02-Apr-2007 10:01:45] <chet> jreese2: I got your message. So everything working now? I got some time last night to go through and build a DHCP pool extension myself.
[02-Apr-2007 10:03:06] <jp10558> mmm? I did yum, it went through to 100% and didn't give me any errors
[02-Apr-2007 10:03:17] <jp10558> how would I tell if the install worked?
[02-Apr-2007 10:03:35] <chet> rpm -aq|grep mysql
[02-Apr-2007 10:03:48] <jreese2> chet: yep, everything is working great
[02-Apr-2007 10:04:03] <jreese2> got some good collection over the weekend
[02-Apr-2007 10:05:52] <jp10558> I got mysql-5.0.27-1.el4.centos and mysql-devel-5.0.27.1.el4.centos
[02-Apr-2007 10:05:53] <chet> Cool. So it turns out that the whole SnmpCollector thing must be legacy and unused, eh?
[02-Apr-2007 10:05:59] <jreese> apparently so
[02-Apr-2007 10:06:21] <jreese> do you by chance know what the "Custom" field in the rrdtemplate edit page is for?
[02-Apr-2007 10:08:02] <chet> You mean for the graph?
[02-Apr-2007 10:08:28] <jreese> yeah
[02-Apr-2007 10:08:35] <jreese> on the datasource
[02-Apr-2007 10:09:28] <chet> You can stick extra CDEFS and rrdgraph definitions in there.
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:03] <jreese> ok
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:05] <jreese> good
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:51] <chet> Like for my DHCP pools, I collect the active leases and model the total leases and I want my graph to show me % utilized.. so I put this in the custom field:
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:51] <chet> CDEF:percent=usedLeases_usedLeases,${here/totalLeases},/,100,*
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:51] <chet> AREA:percent#00cc00:utilization
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[02-Apr-2007 10:12:19] <jp10558> do I maybe need to do something else beyond the yum ...
[02-Apr-2007 10:12:23] <jreese> oh sweet, perfect
[02-Apr-2007 10:12:26] <jreese> perfect perfect perfect
[02-Apr-2007 10:12:53] <chet> jp10558: Those packages should be enough. I don't understand why they wouldn't have installed the init script.
[02-Apr-2007 10:13:32] <jreese> is it possible to run an algorithm on a CDEF that is already defined?
[02-Apr-2007 10:13:36] <chet> yes
[02-Apr-2007 10:14:14] <chet> As soon as they're defined they're exactly like regular DEFs.
[02-Apr-2007 10:14:39] <jreese> hrm
[02-Apr-2007 10:14:56] <jreese> i have a lot to learn with rrd
[02-Apr-2007 10:15:21] <chet> heh.. it's really simple if/when you understand RPN.
[02-Apr-2007 10:15:51] <jreese> i've known RPN for a while (dad had a calculator that i used a lot back in high school)
[02-Apr-2007 10:17:22] <jreese> my snmp source gives bytes/sec, i want to convert it to bits/sec without doing it in python if possible
[02-Apr-2007 10:17:28] <jp10558> mmm
[02-Apr-2007 10:17:47] <chet> Yup.. that's a common one.
[02-Apr-2007 10:18:04] <jp10558> is there a way for me to manually get the init script in there?
[02-Apr-2007 10:18:14] <jp10558> or is it just not going to work?
[02-Apr-2007 10:18:42] <chet> jp10558: No good manual way.. what version of SL are you running?
[02-Apr-2007 10:19:21] <chet> jreese: You're better off scaling that in the RPN field of the data source, not the graph.
[02-Apr-2007 10:19:25] <chet> jreese: Much easier that way.
[02-Apr-2007 10:19:38] <chet> Just stick "8,*" in that RPN field.
[02-Apr-2007 10:20:15] <chet> jreese: That way zenoss actually creates the CDEFs for you no matter which graph/report your data source ends up in.
[02-Apr-2007 10:20:22] <jreese> ah hah
[02-Apr-2007 10:20:26] <jreese> in the data point
[02-Apr-2007 10:20:44] <chet> ack, yes, data point.. my terminology is confus(ed|ing)
[02-Apr-2007 10:21:08] <jp10558> SL4
[02-Apr-2007 10:21:18] <jreese> perfect
[02-Apr-2007 10:21:23] <jp10558> 4.4 beryllium
[02-Apr-2007 10:21:42] <chet> jp10558: That's the same version I made my HOWTO on..
[02-Apr-2007 10:22:19] <jreese> and then adding a 95th percentile would go on the graph
[02-Apr-2007 10:22:53] <chet> yeah
[02-Apr-2007 10:24:52] <chet> jp10558: Hmm.. I don't have the init script either.
[02-Apr-2007 10:25:18] <chet> jp10558: I'm perhaps an idiot.
[02-Apr-2007 10:26:16] <jp10558> Well, you seem to know far more about this than I do - I suppose I'll check with my linux people then
[02-Apr-2007 10:27:05] <chet> jp10558: Nah.. just "yum install mysql-server"
[02-Apr-2007 10:27:15] <chet> jp10558: Then proceed with the howto.
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[02-Apr-2007 10:30:31] <jp10558> ok, trying that chet
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[02-Apr-2007 10:30:34] <jp10558> thanks for all the help!
[02-Apr-2007 10:31:23] <chet> PerlStalker: Did you ever manage to get that AP/SU thing going?
[02-Apr-2007 10:32:07] <PerlStalker> I decided to let it rest until ZenPacks hit stable.
[02-Apr-2007 10:33:03] <PerlStalker> But, if the boss can free the cash, we may just snag some cosulting and get it done that way.
[02-Apr-2007 10:39:38] <jreese> does zenoss have a built-in percentile function like cacti?
[02-Apr-2007 10:46:36] <creiht> jreese: For like 95th% bandwidth charts?
[02-Apr-2007 10:47:47] <jreese> yeah
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[02-Apr-2007 10:48:00] <jreese> just tried a VDEF but it killed everything else in my graph, lol
[02-Apr-2007 10:52:47] <creiht> jreese: I don't think it does by default, but I have seen a lot of discussions fly by about it in the mailing lists
[02-Apr-2007 10:53:58] <jreese> k
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[02-Apr-2007 10:54:57] <jreese> ahh
[02-Apr-2007 10:55:31] <jreese> damn, nvm...hrm....
[02-Apr-2007 10:56:49] <jp10558> chet: mmm, I was doing the python install, and at the end I got:
[02-Apr-2007 10:57:08] <jp10558> make: *** [libinstall] Error 1
[02-Apr-2007 10:57:16] <jp10558> I assume this is a problem?
[02-Apr-2007 11:06:50] <jreese> hmm
[02-Apr-2007 11:07:49] <jreese> ahh
[02-Apr-2007 11:08:00] <jreese> if you specify custom rrd on the graph page it'l kill everything that zenoss makes
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[02-Apr-2007 11:41:23] <jp10558> never mind
[02-Apr-2007 11:41:25] <jp10558> make
[02-Apr-2007 11:41:27] <jp10558> then make install worked
[02-Apr-2007 11:53:03] <jp10558> chet: now I got to svn install, but I got a URL doesn't exist error
[02-Apr-2007 11:54:00] <chet> What does "echo $SVNTAG" output?
[02-Apr-2007 11:54:01] <jp10558> specifically
[02-Apr-2007 11:54:15] <jp10558> nothing
[02-Apr-2007 11:54:17] <jp10558> a blank line
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:08] <chet> Are you the zenoss user?
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:24] <jp10558> I did SU zenoss
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:32] <jp10558> so yes
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:39] <chet> After you made the changes to the .bash_profile?
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:45] <jp10558> yes
[02-Apr-2007 11:56:13] <chet> Did you "su zenoss" or "su - zenoss" ?
[02-Apr-2007 11:57:17] <jp10558> su zenoss
[02-Apr-2007 11:58:10] <chet> You need to do the latter or your .bash_profile won't be read and the environment won't be setup.
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:15] <jreese> where does zenoss store the custom rrd entries on the file system/
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:17] <jreese> ?*
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:24] <jp10558> ok
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:45] <chet> $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/yourdevice/os/iissites..
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:46] <jp10558> that worked - thanks
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:54] <jreese> no, like the rrd commands
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[02-Apr-2007 12:00:15] <jreese> i put in some custom command and now zenoss won't work at all, lol
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[02-Apr-2007 12:00:29] <chet> They're stored in the ZODB, not the file system.
[02-Apr-2007 12:00:34] <jreese> hrm
[02-Apr-2007 12:00:39] <jreese> no way to edit it manually?
[02-Apr-2007 12:00:48] <chet> You could do it via zendmd
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[02-Apr-2007 12:04:21] <jreese> grr, wtf
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:02] <illsci> where do you put zenoss's home dir on your box
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:15] <illsci> if you install to /usr/local/zenoss
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:20] <illsci> do you put it in there... or no
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:35] <illsci> also if your untar'd install dir where should that be...
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:45] <chet> It doesn't matter where the home directory is.
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:47] <illsci> i was doing it from /tmp the other day
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:54] <illsci> and i kept getting errors
[02-Apr-2007 12:08:03] <illsci> i forget what it was... ill give it another shot of installing in a bit
[02-Apr-2007 12:08:19] <illsci> I had /usr/local/zenoss chown'd to zenoss too
[02-Apr-2007 12:08:31] <illsci> ill have to check it out again
[02-Apr-2007 12:10:26] <jreese> erm, strange
[02-Apr-2007 12:10:33] <jreese> getting a "xmlrpclib.ResponseError"
[02-Apr-2007 12:12:09] <jp10558> I got an error unable to build zenoss and depencies
[02-Apr-2007 12:12:28] <jp10558> In zenbuild.log
[02-Apr-2007 12:12:32] <jp10558> I have at the end
[02-Apr-2007 12:12:56] <jp10558> could not find platform independent libraries <prefix>
[02-Apr-2007 12:13:18] <jp10558> followed by could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix>
[02-Apr-2007 12:14:00] <jp10558> and some traceback, and then ImportError: No modle named distutils.core
[02-Apr-2007 12:14:09] <jp10558> chet: any ideas?
[02-Apr-2007 12:14:56] <chet> what does "which python" output/
[02-Apr-2007 12:15:38] <jp10558> ~/bin/python
[02-Apr-2007 12:16:12] <jreese> this is flippin weird... the web server for zenoss just crapped out, for no reason that i can find...can't even get to the main page
[02-Apr-2007 12:18:25] <chet> Does ~/lib/python2.4/distutils/core.py exist?
[02-Apr-2007 12:19:36] <jp10558> no
[02-Apr-2007 12:20:44] <chet> Then python wasn't installed completely. You should try it again.
[02-Apr-2007 12:21:06] <jp10558> oh
[02-Apr-2007 12:21:07] <jp10558> ok
[02-Apr-2007 12:21:40] <jreese> sigh
[02-Apr-2007 12:29:14] <jp10558> hmmm - I ran through the install of python again... it seems to work? This time though I got an error on gmake for epydoc-install
[02-Apr-2007 12:29:51] <chet> Did it install that core.py file this time?
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[02-Apr-2007 12:31:31] <jreese> ok, i've got a corrupted record in zope, cool
[02-Apr-2007 12:32:18] <jp10558> no
[02-Apr-2007 12:32:20] <jp10558> mmm
[02-Apr-2007 12:32:28] <jreese> fixed it, yay
[02-Apr-2007 12:32:37] <jp10558> I can't figure what's wrong, I do exactly that the howto does
[02-Apr-2007 12:33:02] <jp10558> well, except I had to do make
[02-Apr-2007 12:33:06] <jp10558> then make install for it to not error out
[02-Apr-2007 12:37:57] <jreese> now my hrule isn't graphing at the right spot :'(
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[02-Apr-2007 13:15:49] <jreese> i've got everything working great now
[02-Apr-2007 13:15:52] <jreese> hoot
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[02-Apr-2007 13:31:45] <jreese> apparently my home connection is having issues
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[02-Apr-2007 14:18:28] <jp10558> chet: I checked out the python install again, and when I do make, there is one notice I see which might help figure out what the problem is - I get an INFO: Can't locate Tcl/Tk libs and/or headers
[02-Apr-2007 14:18:40] <jp10558> would that maybe indicate why the python install isn't working?
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[02-Apr-2007 15:22:02] <stockholm> hi
[02-Apr-2007 15:22:27] <stockholm> i was reading the "comparison" page on the webpage and am using munin...
[02-Apr-2007 15:22:40] <stockholm> could someone please compare zenoss to munin for me?
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[02-Apr-2007 15:35:37] <korozion> munin just graphs things
[02-Apr-2007 15:36:28] <stockholm> and zenoss also gives acustic representations? :-)
[02-Apr-2007 15:37:10] <korozion> I'm pretty new to ZenOSS myself
[02-Apr-2007 15:37:16] <korozion> but I know it can graph too
[02-Apr-2007 15:38:02] <stockholm> right
[02-Apr-2007 15:39:09] <korozion> zenoss can do a lot more than just graphing
[02-Apr-2007 15:40:20] <stockholm> korozion: like notification aka nagios?
[02-Apr-2007 15:40:33] <korozion> indeed
[02-Apr-2007 15:40:47] <stockholm> how old is the project?
[02-Apr-2007 15:41:00] <korozion> I'm not sure
[02-Apr-2007 15:41:28] <korozion> but they sent me a tee-shirt, so I like them
[02-Apr-2007 15:42:03] <stockholm> and do they have a debian package?
[02-Apr-2007 15:42:19] <stockholm> i see a redhat ready logo
[02-Apr-2007 15:42:25] <stockholm> but i need debian
[02-Apr-2007 15:42:42] <korozion> I have it installed on kubuntu, and I'm pretty sure I had it on Debian once
[02-Apr-2007 15:43:05] <bzed> stockholm: I'm working on a debian package
[02-Apr-2007 15:43:37] <bzed> stockholm: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=361253
[02-Apr-2007 15:43:37] <adytum-bot> Title: #361253 - ITP: zenoss -- Zenoss is a powerful, integrated, easy-to-use IT infrastructure monitoring software product. - Debian Bug report logs (at bugs.debian.org)
[02-Apr-2007 15:43:39] <stockholm> bzed: yay
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[02-Apr-2007 15:43:56] <korozion> what I need is to know snmp better :S
[02-Apr-2007 15:44:46] <jreese> i read a blog post that someone got it working in debian
[02-Apr-2007 15:44:49] <jreese> (zenoss blog)
[02-Apr-2007 15:44:57] <bzed> jreese: that was from me
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:03] <jreese> fair enough!
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:18] <korozion> bzed: do you go over snmp config at all in said blog post?
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:22] <bzed> stockholm: i'm working together with an ubuntu developer on it, he wants to get it into the next ubuntu server, so I guess we'll ahve packages in a few weeks. a lot to do until then, though
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:30] <bzed> korozion: no
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:34] <korozion> bummer
[02-Apr-2007 15:46:30] <stockholm> bzed: i see you got a harsh comment about the package description
[02-Apr-2007 15:46:54] <stockholm> bzed: can you give a better description now? :-)
[02-Apr-2007 15:47:45] <bzed> stockholm: that was not from me
[02-Apr-2007 15:48:03] <bzed> stockholm: I hijacked the bug report after nobody took care of it for a year
[02-Apr-2007 15:48:12] <bzed> stockholm: you need to read the mails from this year
[02-Apr-2007 15:48:35] <stockholm> ah
[02-Apr-2007 15:50:48] <stockholm> it uses zope etc?
[02-Apr-2007 15:50:52] <bzed> yes
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:07] <creiht> korozion: Check out http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:08] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:08] <creiht> That should have everything you need for snmp configuration
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:17] <bzed> stockholm: our todo list is at http://bzed.de/debian/packages/zenoss/start
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:30] <korozion> creiht: you're a good man, thanks!
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:00] <stockholm> bzed: sounds like quite some work.
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:14] <bzed> it is
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:24] <stockholm> bzed: do you get the feeling the software is of good quality?
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:39] <stockholm> (usually you notice that when packaging something :-)
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:42] <creiht> stockholm: I have been using it for over a year now
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:03] <stockholm> creiht: and?
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:08] <stockholm> how big is your installation?
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:11] <creiht> And the quality has been pretty good, especially for how fast they have been adding changes
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:26] <stockholm> how many updates did you do?
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:30] <creiht> I've gone through probably 5 upgrades
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:33] <stockholm> did they disrupt your operation?
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:44] <creiht> only for the period of time it took to upgrade
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:54] <stockholm> and they were smooth?
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:02] <creiht> I have had one hiccup
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:05] <stockholm> how do you update all the clients?
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:07] <creiht> But that was more my fault
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:14] <jp10558> I'm getting to the point I wish they provided a iso for installing the entire system, not just a VMWare image. My experiance has been that the initial install can be really difficult
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:20] <creiht> and was easy to fix
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:28] <creiht> since it is snmp you don't have to update the clients
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:52] <stockholm> hm, but snmp is a security problem, isnt it?
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:53] <jp10558> Though I guess it's mostly related to trying to get WMI working and random hoops I've jumped through to that end
[02-Apr-2007 15:57:57] <creiht> stockholm: In which way
[02-Apr-2007 15:58:03] <bzed> imho the idea of an installer which brings all its depenncies is good, although that doesn't work for a serious packaging. if I'd try to get a several hundred MB large package into debian, which contains a ton of stuff which IS in debian allready, somebody would chop my head off
[02-Apr-2007 15:58:46] <stockholm> creiht: did you hear that snmp had the worst results of all reviewd projects when they did a code quality comparison?
[02-Apr-2007 15:59:01] <bzed> creiht: as far as I remember did netsnmp have a TON of security related bugs. i would never expose snmp to a public network, that's what admin networks are for\
[02-Apr-2007 15:59:03] <creiht> stockholm: link?
[02-Apr-2007 15:59:54] <creiht> If you don't use snmp, you use some other sort of agent, which will likely have a similar security
[02-Apr-2007 16:00:05] <stockholm> creiht: it was done by the stanford checker people. dont know, they started an own company and did the static analysis of the code with money from the defense department
[02-Apr-2007 16:00:10] <creiht> gotta run to a meeting... bbl
[02-Apr-2007 16:00:32] <jp10558> I also don't really see a recommended/supported OS listed, just some RPMs, which makes me think that Redhat derivitaves would be OK - but RHEL derivities like SL4 have versions of many dependencies that are older than what zenoss wants
[02-Apr-2007 16:00:47] <jp10558> so it can be a real pain
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:13] <bzed> doesn't the zenoss rpm bring all depencies? the spec file looked so
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:13] <jp10558> I hope the next version is just run and go on linux, without python issues on windows etc for WMI
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:14] * stockholm will wait for the debian package in order to evaluate it
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:36] <jp10558> well, my experiance was:
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:46] <jp10558> the RPM does not bring Python 2.4 or newer
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:54] <jp10558> it seems to work with 2.3 on SL4
[02-Apr-2007 16:02:03] <jp10558> but it breaks ZenWin, so WMI just doesn't work
[02-Apr-2007 16:02:04] <bzed> stockholm: if you want add my blog feed or the namespace changes to your feedreader and you'll see when there's anything to test
[02-Apr-2007 16:02:31] <jp10558> and you can't just upgrade python in redhat based distros because it breaks redhat tools
[02-Apr-2007 16:02:37] <bzed> haha
[02-Apr-2007 16:03:00] <jp10558> so now I'm halfway throug ha source install where now python 2.4.4 won't install correctly, and I'm not sure if anyone knows why
[02-Apr-2007 16:03:12] <bzed> makes me wonder why they don't ship python, building that, too, shouldn't be a problem. the externallibs folder is bing enough
[02-Apr-2007 16:03:26] <jp10558> so overall, Zenoss is great, but it's WMI doesn't seem to work reliably - which is what I really wanted it for
[02-Apr-2007 16:03:38] <jp10558> so I might wait till 1.2 and hope
[02-Apr-2007 16:05:28] <stockholm> what is WMI?
[02-Apr-2007 16:07:20] <jp10558> Windows Management Instrimentation
[02-Apr-2007 16:07:33] <jp10558> Basically how you can monitor windows services and event logs
[02-Apr-2007 16:07:51] <stockholm> ah, we have only debian server to monitor
[02-Apr-2007 16:08:15] <stockholm> would it be the right tool for that to start with?
[02-Apr-2007 16:08:16] <jp10558> Then ZenOSS is fine as long as you have SNMP setup right on the debian servers
[02-Apr-2007 16:08:51] <stockholm> well, we wont expose any snmp on the servers for sure :-)
[02-Apr-2007 16:09:56] <jp10558> Then ZenOSS won't do much... it monitors SNMP, and theoritically WMI.
[02-Apr-2007 16:10:05] <bzed> you can use the nagios plugins
[02-Apr-2007 16:10:08] <jp10558> How would you monitor the servers?
[02-Apr-2007 16:10:57] <stockholm> i would use munin and nagios.
[02-Apr-2007 16:11:12] <stockholm> munin for the graphing and nagios for the notification
[02-Apr-2007 16:12:23] <jp10558> nagios uses SNMP?
[02-Apr-2007 16:12:59] <stockholm> no, i think it has an own client
[02-Apr-2007 16:13:04] <jp10558> Oh, I see, you install a client
[02-Apr-2007 16:13:10] <jp10558> well, you might want to look at Zabbix
[02-Apr-2007 16:13:24] <jreese> my iis "plugin" is working: http://planettau.com/not4u/zenoss/zenoss-iis.png
[02-Apr-2007 16:13:40] <jp10558> Generally, I am trying to minimise the number of clients on servers, or any machine (I'd like to monitor my workstations as well)
[02-Apr-2007 16:14:03] <jp10558> But Zenoss in maybe 6 months is planning on haveing agents also, so maybe check back then
[02-Apr-2007 16:14:14] <bzed> jp10558: you can use snmp or use clients. but for example to check if a webserver is up, I don't need a client on the server
[02-Apr-2007 16:14:26] <jp10558> Right - that is the case
[02-Apr-2007 16:14:49] <jp10558> I was saying in general, you need SNMP or a client or WMI or something to monitor services on a machine
[02-Apr-2007 16:15:13] <bzed> and on machines in the DMZ i'd never install snmp for example
[02-Apr-2007 16:15:50] <jp10558> My plan is to try and minimize clients on a machine, but maybe something like Zabbix/Hyperix is easier to set up, and their client has a negligable impact
[02-Apr-2007 16:16:14] <jp10558> My situation is somewhat different, I'm looking to monitor things inside the firewall - no DMZ to talk about
[02-Apr-2007 16:16:27] <jp10558> we just block SNMP in/out at the firewall
[02-Apr-2007 16:16:37] <bzed> the nagios plugins are easy to install, too.... well.. on debian... it's apt-get install nagios... and you're done
[02-Apr-2007 16:16:49] <bzed> yeah, same here, but we ahve some servers in the DMZ, too
[02-Apr-2007 16:17:16] <stockholm> the servers i have are all publicly accessible.
[02-Apr-2007 16:17:52] <jp10558> I'm beginning to wonder if Zabbix wouldnt' be worth checking out, I certainly understand client based systems better - but my boss really wants to not have another client on our machines
[02-Apr-2007 16:19:30] <stockholm> well, if he has snmp? :-)
[02-Apr-2007 16:19:41] <bzed> stockholm: our servers have all two interfaces, one which provides the services like smb, netatalk and the other 1000 things our users need, and one interface within an admin lan. so that's not a problem to run snmp without sharing it for the whole house
[02-Apr-2007 16:22:34] <jp10558> Well, I suppose that's part of what I have to map out, is SNMP + Informant as heavy as say a Zabbix client? less, more? Which is more likely to interfere with other software?
[02-Apr-2007 16:44:35] <bzed> jp10558: seriously - I ahve no clue about zabbix. http://pandora.sourceforge.net/ is another system like zenoss and nagios, probably you want to check that out, too
[02-Apr-2007 16:45:05] <bzed> I mainly decided to use zenoss becuase it's using python, which is my favourite language actually
[02-Apr-2007 16:45:26] <bzed> and because it brings all things I need of course
[02-Apr-2007 16:46:14] <illsci> i think every one of the opensource monitoring systems work the same way
[02-Apr-2007 16:46:24] <illsci> clients, snmp, and external polling of services
[02-Apr-2007 16:47:25] <bzed> I think there's not realyl any other way to do the job
[02-Apr-2007 16:47:44] <bzed> you can't do magic, and you need a way to get the data
[02-Apr-2007 16:47:52] <illsci> if the box is in the dmx why not just firewall it off so only the montoring station can use inbound whatever
[02-Apr-2007 16:48:01] <illsci> snmp or whatever other protocol you are using
[02-Apr-2007 16:48:05] <illsci> dmz..
[02-Apr-2007 16:49:13] <bzed> sure, that would work, too. but I coudl also live with an unpriviledged user which runs some client via ssh
[02-Apr-2007 16:49:37] <illsci> or snmp via ssh
[02-Apr-2007 16:50:50] <bzed> yeah. I want to avoid to ahve snmp listening on an interface at all. a firewall can fail (and if the reason is a dumb admin), so I prefer not to have any service running which is not really needed
[02-Apr-2007 16:51:22] <bzed> and if I have to choose between *something via ssh* and snmp, then I'd go the ssh way
[02-Apr-2007 16:51:54] <bzed> probably a bit parainod, but better a bit too apranoid thatn visitors from outer space
[02-Apr-2007 16:51:58] <illsci> i agree... the network permiter is every host
[02-Apr-2007 16:53:07] <illsci> that's why using something like grsec is a good idea as well
[02-Apr-2007 16:53:23] <bzed> definitely
[02-Apr-2007 16:53:33] <bzed> I have that on as many machines as possible
[02-Apr-2007 16:55:55] <bzed> the other lucky thing for me is that I'm working at a university's department, so there's always another firewall between the world an us, as the there's one between the university's network and the rest of the world. that means that I don't ahve to take care of DOS attacks and things like that.
[02-Apr-2007 16:57:31] <illsci> well... i don't agree that firewalls protect against dos at all
[02-Apr-2007 16:57:39] <illsci> infact dos'ing a firewall is pretty easy
[02-Apr-2007 16:58:40] <illsci> all you can do is have lots of bandwidth and figure out who's doing it and have them blocked on upstream routers that can handle the load
[02-Apr-2007 17:00:00] <illsci> there is some other services i know of that are going to come out soon offering ddos protection from some companies that have crazy bandwidth...
[02-Apr-2007 17:00:04] <illsci> there are
[02-Apr-2007 17:03:47] <illsci> well, its time to go sit in traffic... bbl
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[02-Apr-2007 17:10:52] <creiht> stockholm: Zenoss can use nagios plugins, so anything you can monitor with nagios, you can monitor with zenoss
[02-Apr-2007 17:11:32] <stockholm> creiht: ah, good
[02-Apr-2007 17:11:35] <creiht> It also has a project called zenplugins which is remote scripts that are run on the servers, if you don't want to run snmp or nagios plugins
[02-Apr-2007 17:12:37] <creiht> stockholm: There is also a VMWare player image set up with zenoss that makes it very simple to evaluate if you just want to take it for a spin
[02-Apr-2007 17:21:22] <bzed> illsci: nah, didn't want to say it that way. what I wanted to say is: the univiersity's firewall/filters/... protects our departments firewall from DOSes.
[02-Apr-2007 17:21:44] <bzed> stockholm: we'll package the zenplugins for debian and ubuntu, too - ofcourse
[02-Apr-2007 17:23:13] <stockholm> :-)
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[02-Apr-2007 18:10:00] <WolfeWLU> Hello everyone.
[02-Apr-2007 18:10:17] <WolfeWLU> This is probably a stupid question..but coming from Nagios and reading the Zenoss docs I can't seem to figure it out.
[02-Apr-2007 18:10:45] <WolfeWLU> How can I attach an active ping probe to a device that will alert if the latency and/or packet loss gets above a certain level?
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[02-Apr-2007 18:17:32] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: hey man, I just saw your question, but I unfortunately can't stick around -- however
[02-Apr-2007 18:17:42] <oubiwann> I can provide you with a link that should get you going
[02-Apr-2007 18:19:17] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate
[02-Apr-2007 18:19:17] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToNagiosCreateTemplate - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-Apr-2007 18:19:38] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: coming from Nagios-land, that should give you a nice jump start... the Zenoss terminology can be a bit funny
[02-Apr-2007 18:20:12] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: and can take some getting used to... the glossary might help: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/ZenossGlossary
[02-Apr-2007 18:20:12] <adytum-bot> Title: ZenossGlossary - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-Apr-2007 19:00:13] <WolfeWLU> oubiwann: Thank you so much!
[02-Apr-2007 19:00:17] <WolfeWLU> That rocks.
[02-Apr-2007 19:00:30] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: you bet man ;-)
[02-Apr-2007 19:00:43] <WolfeWLU> Everythings glued together just a little different.
[02-Apr-2007 19:03:08] <WolfeWLU> Wow I was off.
[02-Apr-2007 19:03:10] <WolfeWLU> Thanks again.
[02-Apr-2007 19:09:44] <WolfeWLU> So if I understand correctly, rather than creating checks that you then bind to specific devices, you nav to the place in the device class that contains the types of devices you want the check to apply to. Then you edit the "Device" template with the appropriate checks?
[02-Apr-2007 19:10:21] <oubiwann> yes, that's correct -- but you *can* also do this directly on devices
[02-Apr-2007 19:10:41] <oubiwann> but that only makes sense if you need the check for one device only
[02-Apr-2007 19:10:46] <WolfeWLU> OK.
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[02-Apr-2007 19:12:03] <WolfeWLU> Would be nice to have the flexibility to define the checks separately, then bind them to specific templates.
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[02-Apr-2007 19:16:09] <WolfeWLU> Can you inherit the settings of the existing "Device" template higher up in the hierarchy when creating a new one?
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[02-Apr-2007 19:27:14] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: it depends what you are calling "up"
[02-Apr-2007 19:28:07] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: /Devices/Linux inherits from /Devices
[02-Apr-2007 19:29:17] <oubiwann> likewise, if you had /Devices/Linux/Servers, it would inherit from /Devices/Linux, which inherits from /Devices
[02-Apr-2007 19:29:30] <oubiwann> inheritance works on parent-child relationships
[02-Apr-2007 19:29:31] <WolfeWLU> oubiwann: I guess what I'm asking is if I customize "Device" in /Devices/JuniperRouters...then I go to customize "Device" in /Devices/JuniperRouters/HA will "Device" in "HA" inherit the customization from "Device" in "JuniperRouters".
[02-Apr-2007 19:29:43] <oubiwann> yup
[02-Apr-2007 19:30:05] <oubiwann> that's exactly the convenience that Zenoss was built around :-)
[02-Apr-2007 19:30:37] <WolfeWLU> That's pretty cool. :-)
[02-Apr-2007 19:31:42] <WolfeWLU> So a device would get all the properties of "Device" in /Devices/JuniperRouters" and /Devices/JuniperRouters/HA?
[02-Apr-2007 19:32:06] <WolfeWLU> Also, does Zenoss understand the difference between warn and critical on Nagios plugins?
[02-Apr-2007 19:35:18] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: well, generally, yes -- it does get all the properties... but inheritance means that you only need to change something in the child that you want to override from the parent
[02-Apr-2007 19:35:47] <WolfeWLU> On a per-property basis?
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:19] <WolfeWLU> Having worked with Zope...just trying to understand if its overriding the entire "Device" object or per-property.
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:20] <oubiwann> But if an attribute was overridden in JuniperRouters then HA will get the attribute from the parent, not the grandparent
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:30] <WolfeWLU> OK.
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:33] <WolfeWLU> That makes sense.
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:53] <oubiwann> cool
[02-Apr-2007 19:37:30] <WolfeWLU> Hmm...looks like its overriding the entire "Device" object.
[02-Apr-2007 19:38:10] <WolfeWLU> Created a "Ping" check in the /Devices "Device" object. Didn't show up in devices in /Devices/JuniperRouters
[02-Apr-2007 19:38:39] <WolfeWLU> Because I've overridden the "Device" object there and that "Device" object doesn't have a ping check.
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[03-Apr-2007 04:49:56] <heldt> anyone here?
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[03-Apr-2007 07:02:13] <chairuou> anyone success to install ZenOSS with MySQL 4.x ?
[03-Apr-2007 07:03:27] <b52lap> chairuou, i have installed once zenoss , and from what i have read in the mailling list , you should seriously considere to move in mysql5
[03-Apr-2007 07:04:49] <chairuou> ok, tks...
[03-Apr-2007 07:05:07] * chairuou goto moved slackware 10.2 to 11.0 now
[03-Apr-2007 07:05:19] <b52lap> :d
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[03-Apr-2007 07:17:37] <jeg1972> Afternoon everyone!
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[03-Apr-2007 08:26:48] <claros> EHLO Zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 08:29:28] <claros> I need help about performance templates and custom variables, anybody on line?
[03-Apr-2007 08:29:30] <ricko73> claros: quiet channel
[03-Apr-2007 08:29:42] <claros> VERY quiet
[03-Apr-2007 08:30:20] <ricko73> I can't be of much help yet. I set up the virtual machine demo last week and have only added one device so far
[03-Apr-2007 08:31:25] <claros> I just set up 130 devices in one day, but need halp on very uncommon section...
[03-Apr-2007 08:31:35] <jp10558> claros: you should wait for chet to come online
[03-Apr-2007 08:32:11] <claros> chet is a developer?
[03-Apr-2007 08:32:58] <claros> I think so...
[03-Apr-2007 08:33:38] <claros> we are going to have lunch here (ITALY) see you later
[03-Apr-2007 08:33:41] <claros> Bye
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[03-Apr-2007 10:20:37] <illsci> hey whats up
[03-Apr-2007 10:21:31] <illsci> does zenoss support a way to allow restricted access to certain parts of the dashboard or zenoss? For example if you had customers you wanted to allow to view only their companies infos
[03-Apr-2007 10:43:51] <cdillardhsp> not that I've seen
[03-Apr-2007 10:45:07] <creiht> illsci: I believe that you can not to that extent yet
[03-Apr-2007 10:45:46] <illsci> if you could and allow permission based acknowledgement that would be cool too
[03-Apr-2007 10:45:52] <creiht> illsci: What info do you want them to see?
[03-Apr-2007 10:45:59] <illsci> there alerts
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:02] <illsci> events...
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[03-Apr-2007 10:46:14] <creiht> I've made a page that linked to the performance graphs
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:23] <creiht> Of certain devices
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:35] <illsci> i think a good way would be to create group based dashboards and allow access to that
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:39] <creiht> Not sure if you could do alerts and events though
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:51] <illsci> alerts == events
[03-Apr-2007 10:47:02] <illsci> forgive me for my complete lack of correct use of terms
[03-Apr-2007 10:47:10] <creiht> You can create a read-only account, but they would be able to see everything
[03-Apr-2007 10:47:45] <illsci> i would love to be able to have a dashboard created with admin defined priveledges
[03-Apr-2007 10:48:13] <illsci> and one of the features to be to allow users who log in to ack events
[03-Apr-2007 10:48:50] <creiht> illsci: There is a mechanism so that you can set what boxes a user can admin
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:08] <creiht> I haven't used it though, so I'm not cmpletly sure what that does
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:09] <illsci> think about this from a managed services company point of view
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:13] <illsci> you manage all these devices
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:32] <creiht> illsci: Oh I completely understand.... That's what my company does
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:33] <illsci> you monitor them 24/7 for someone and they, the someone, would like a view into what you are monitoring
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:42] <illsci> word up
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:47] <creiht> Though we don't use zenoss for that
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:53] <creiht> unfortunately
[03-Apr-2007 10:50:10] <illsci> i worked at the symantec mssp for a while...
[03-Apr-2007 10:50:11] <creiht> I use it internally to monitor internal devices important to my group
[03-Apr-2007 10:50:54] <illsci> i just know what people want to see... and what would be of use to me..
[03-Apr-2007 10:51:29] <creiht> I know there have been a lot of requests for something like that
[03-Apr-2007 10:51:38] <illsci> and then integrate a ticketing system
[03-Apr-2007 10:52:29] <creiht> It should be easy to integrate with other systems
[03-Apr-2007 10:53:22] <illsci> im not sure what the right way to do tha twould be... have you ever seen atlasian... the wiki can accept emails
[03-Apr-2007 10:53:44] <creiht> illsci: Confluence? Yes we use it here..
[03-Apr-2007 10:53:52] <illsci> yeah i thought that was pretty cool
[03-Apr-2007 10:54:01] <creiht> It's pretty nice
[03-Apr-2007 10:54:10] <creiht> I haven't used the email functionality though
[03-Apr-2007 10:54:59] <creiht> You can set up zenoss to run scripts when certain events happen
[03-Apr-2007 10:55:14] <creiht> So as long as you could create a ticket with a script, then that is one easy way
[03-Apr-2007 10:55:33] <illsci> i just wonder if thats the right way to do that
[03-Apr-2007 10:55:49] <illsci> you could just have the event generate an email and something to process inbound emails...
[03-Apr-2007 10:56:15] <illsci> you could have it call someone and play a canned message... there you go automated 24/7 monitoring
[03-Apr-2007 10:56:30] <illsci> "You server $server is down"
[03-Apr-2007 10:57:09] <creiht> hehe
[03-Apr-2007 10:57:21] <creiht> That's nice unless you get 100 alerts at once
[03-Apr-2007 10:57:30] <illsci>
[03-Apr-2007 10:57:51] <illsci> most companies that do that stuff have sla's on ammount of time it takes to notify someone of a down device
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:11] <creiht> yup
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:15] <illsci> you could totally automate that
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:28] <creiht> Been there, done that
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:30] <illsci> and have it go through customer device call lists
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:42] <illsci> device == defined
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:50] <creiht> yup
[03-Apr-2007 10:59:58] <illsci> ive wanted to write something like this but i never get passed where to start...
[03-Apr-2007 11:00:05] <creiht> hehe
[03-Apr-2007 11:00:06] <illsci> i read the doc on python.org about rackspace... and there
[03-Apr-2007 11:00:11] <illsci> stuff
[03-Apr-2007 11:00:14] <creiht> Well I can tell you that it is a really big project
[03-Apr-2007 11:01:20] <creiht> hehe... I forgot that article is there... A bit out of date
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:19] <illsci> so.. how do you integrate your monitoring with your ticketing
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:38] <illsci> query a database for flagged events...
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:43] <creiht> hrmmmm
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:53] <illsci> one shared database..
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:53] <creiht> It's a bit complicated
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:02] <illsci> i just wonder what the best way to do it is
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:07] <creiht> As there are many monitoring systems
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:16] <illsci> ok so say you choose to use zenoss...
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:26] <creiht> And I'm not sure how much I can talk about it
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:30] <illsci> right
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:36] <creiht> but
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:38] <illsci> i havent dug into this at all yet
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:42] <creiht> If I were to use zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:54] <creiht> Zenoss would be responsible for the polling
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:17] <creiht> You could have zenoss autogenerate tickets in your ticketing system
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:20] <creiht> Or emails
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:26] <illsci> what about tis database
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:41] <illsci> i dont know how its stored internally in zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:52] <jreese> you'd want to use it's api
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:57] <creiht> yeah
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:00] <illsci> hmm... ok
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:04] <creiht> You don't need to know much about the internals
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:06] <illsci> rather than query the db
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:09] <illsci> because that can change..
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:09] <jreese> i'm sure zenoss has the ability for you to extend it's event notification system
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:10] <illsci> ok
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:18] <creiht> jreese: exactly
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:42] <jreese> it's been able to do everything i wanted so far
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:52] <jreese> though nothing hugely advanced, i'm happy with that
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:59] <illsci> did you guys use festival to send messages to ppl over phones?
[03-Apr-2007 11:07:09] <creiht> nope
[03-Apr-2007 11:08:07] <creiht> We use a very custom ticketing system, and pretty much everything is done through tickets
[03-Apr-2007 11:08:35] <illsci> i think thats the right way to do that
[03-Apr-2007 11:08:52] <illsci> but then how do you archive tickets to glean infos from past events...
[03-Apr-2007 11:08:52] <creiht> It has proven itself fairly well
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:16] <creiht> ahhhh
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:16] <b52lap> creiht, yu use open source ticketing system ?
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:17] <creiht> yes
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:18] <illsci> like an automated knowledgebase... in wiki format... or searching db
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:28] <illsci> rt?
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:30] <creiht> b52lap: No, it is custom built in house
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:34] <illsci> word
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:51] <b52lap> creiht, ah ok ; do you open source ones ?
[03-Apr-2007 11:10:23] <b52lap> not a php based ....
[03-Apr-2007 11:10:23] <creiht> b52lap: Unfortunately no... but I'm not sure it would work for most other companies, as it is highly custom to how we do things
[03-Apr-2007 11:10:47] <b52lap> creiht, hm , ok
[03-Apr-2007 11:11:14] <illsci> you guys are much more organized that other large, probably larger, people in the same .biz
[03-Apr-2007 11:11:30] <creiht> hehe... We have to be
[03-Apr-2007 11:12:09] <jreese>
[03-Apr-2007 11:13:03] <creiht> We also have to be efficient as customers expect more from us
[03-Apr-2007 11:13:26] <creiht> Either way... there are plenty of interesting problems to solve
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[03-Apr-2007 12:21:33] <claros> HELO Zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 12:24:39] <claros> Quit channel as usual...
[03-Apr-2007 12:24:45] <claros> Queit channel as usual...
[03-Apr-2007 12:25:01] <chet> More listeners than talkers..
[03-Apr-2007 12:25:21] <claros> Dear mr chet, i've a question for you
[03-Apr-2007 12:25:42] <claros> I need to monitor 12 wireless bridge
[03-Apr-2007 12:26:26] <claros> devices have an ip address to manage them, but interfaces are without ip address
[03-Apr-2007 12:26:54] <claros> I want to monitor the wirless channel to see if it changes
[03-Apr-2007 12:27:17] <chet> The wireless channel is an OID on each interface?
[03-Apr-2007 12:28:12] <claros> It is an OID for the device, fastethernet interface do not have a channell
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[03-Apr-2007 12:29:06] <claros> I monitor two OIDs : oriWirelessifChannel and oriWirelessifDFSPriorityChannel
[03-Apr-2007 12:29:24] <claros> They are proxym bridge...
[03-Apr-2007 12:30:42] <claros> I want to setup a Thresholds named "Channel Change" with formula like "oriWirelessifChannel -oriWirelessifDFSPriorityChannel" = 0
[03-Apr-2007 12:31:17] <chet> You'd have to set that up as two separate thresholds.
[03-Apr-2007 12:31:19] <claros> apart from here.speed i don't know how to consider other values ...
[03-Apr-2007 12:31:46] <chet> here refers to the IpInterface object. What other values would you be interested in?
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[03-Apr-2007 12:32:40] <claros> The OID values, expecially oriWirelessifChannel, the current channel
[03-Apr-2007 12:36:27] <chet> So you want to subtract one from the other and make sure it is or isn't 0?
[03-Apr-2007 12:37:25] <claros> To make sure it is 0 and no radar was detected on the channell (ETSI rules do not allow fixed channels here in EU)
[03-Apr-2007 12:38:16] <chet> So no subtraction is necessary? Both OIDs need to be 0?
[03-Apr-2007 12:39:10] <claros> No, let say the 1st OID is 120 and the 2nd 120, everythink check ok, otherwise....
[03-Apr-2007 12:39:30] <claros> OID are integers
[03-Apr-2007 12:40:22] <chet> That's too bad. There's currently no way to do that without using a command plugin to compare the values.
[03-Apr-2007 12:41:35] <claros> I could use a fixed variable in the form cXxxx for my preferred channell, but still have to read an OID, the current channel one...
[03-Apr-2007 12:59:26] <claros> chet, seem a quite difficult question... let's try another?
[03-Apr-2007 13:03:32] <claros> The same kind of bridge is on a network let say 192.168.131.128/29
[03-Apr-2007 13:03:57] <claros> To zenoss this network result in this way:
[03-Apr-2007 13:04:28] <claros> 192.168.131.129/29 router 1
[03-Apr-2007 13:05:24] <claros> 192.168.130/20 No Device but ping 1 (this is a bridge)
[03-Apr-2007 13:05:48] <claros> 192.168.131/29 No Device but ping UP (this is a bridge)
[03-Apr-2007 13:06:02] <claros> 192.168.132/29 Router 2
[03-Apr-2007 13:06:36] <claros> That seem to me that a device without ip address on yhe interface breaks the network topology
[03-Apr-2007 13:07:46] <claros> As a consequence, traps originated from bridges are not associated with the device, even if it is defined?
[03-Apr-2007 13:08:21] <claros> How can I associate those ip address to the device?
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[03-Apr-2007 15:00:28] <illsci> hey do you need python-dev installed for zenoss to install?
[03-Apr-2007 15:01:05] <illsci> nevermind...
[03-Apr-2007 15:01:18] * illsci learns to read
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[03-Apr-2007 16:40:55] <densone> hey zenoss friends
[03-Apr-2007 16:41:26] <densone> wondering what I have to configure to get snmp to respond properly with zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 16:41:32] <densone> any docs on that?
[03-Apr-2007 16:44:57] <creiht> densone: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[03-Apr-2007 16:44:57] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[03-Apr-2007 18:55:37] <densone> can someone in here help me snmp config?
[03-Apr-2007 18:57:22] <creiht> densone: Did you check out http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration?
[03-Apr-2007 18:57:22] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:37] <densone> creiht: ill look there now
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:37] <creiht> densone: Or are you using windows instead of Linux?
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:38] <densone> thanks
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:43] <densone> im on ubuntu
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:53] <creiht> Then that page should have everything you need
[03-Apr-2007 18:59:01] <densone> sweet
[03-Apr-2007 18:59:08] <densone> I was looking for something like that
[03-Apr-2007 18:59:38] <korozion> do you just add those commands to a blank snmp.conf, or what?
[03-Apr-2007 18:59:42] <korozion> Do you need to change things?
[03-Apr-2007 19:00:21] <creiht> korozion: You could copy and paste directly
[03-Apr-2007 19:00:43] <creiht> The only thing that you might want to chance is the community string
[03-Apr-2007 19:01:51] <creiht> There is also a way where you can make it only allow snmp access fro a specific host.
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:32] <korozion> ok, thanks
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:42] <korozion> but, copy and paste to my existing default snmp.conf, or a new file?
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:50] <creiht> ph
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:52] <creiht> err
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:54] <creiht> oh
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:57] <creiht> a new file
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:58] <creiht> sorry
[03-Apr-2007 19:03:06] <korozion> heh, no problem
[03-Apr-2007 19:03:06] <korozion> thanks!
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[03-Apr-2007 19:04:30] <korozion> was it something I said?
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[03-Apr-2007 19:17:24] <WolfeWLU> Is there a way to submit feature requests into the Zenoss Trac?
[03-Apr-2007 19:17:54] <korozion> I still get no cpu information
[03-Apr-2007 19:18:00] <korozion> Oooo but I do get graphs now!
[03-Apr-2007 19:18:57] <korozion> how come I'm unable to set it to monitor mysql?
[03-Apr-2007 19:20:37] <densone> still getting: 2007-04-03 16:19:56 CRITICAL zen.DeviceLoader no snmp found for ip = 192.168.4.6
[03-Apr-2007 19:20:52] <densone> used the config from the site
[03-Apr-2007 19:21:11] <densone> any recommendations?
[03-Apr-2007 19:22:01] <korozion> make sure snmpd is running on the target machine first
[03-Apr-2007 19:22:26] <korozion> is it a Linux box?
[03-Apr-2007 19:25:23] <densone> tis linux
[03-Apr-2007 19:25:54] <korozion> netstat -lptnu |grep 161
[03-Apr-2007 19:25:57] <korozion> make sure it's listening
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:01] <densone> snmp 6015 0.0 0.1 25012 4820 ? S 16:18 0:00 /usr/sbin/snmpd -Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid 127.0.0.1
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:07] <korozion> also, a lot of systems will bind to 127.0.0.1
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:10] <korozion> aha, so it does
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:19] <densone> (No info could be read for "-p": geteuid()=1000 but you should be root.)
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:19] <densone> udp 0 0 127.0.0.1:161 0.0.0.0:*
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:26] <korozion> stop the service, then run /usr/sbin/snmpd -Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:30] <densone> lol
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:32] <korozion> (without the 127.0.0.1 on the end
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:38] <korozion> then try it again
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:45] <korozion> (adding to zenoss that is)
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:52] <densone> thanks
[03-Apr-2007 19:27:15] <korozion> I had to manually edit /etc/default/snmpd and remove the 127.0.0.1 so it would listen on all ips
[03-Apr-2007 19:27:27] <korozion> something more safe might be to add the actual IP you're using
[03-Apr-2007 19:27:48] <korozion> keep in mind snmp can give out a lot of details about your system, and you probably don't want the world to be able to get said data
[03-Apr-2007 19:28:48] <korozion> I usually add a firewall rule to only allow the IP of the monitoring machine, to remote systems
[03-Apr-2007 19:28:59] <korozion> I'm not sure if that's the best/safest way, but it seems to work
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[03-Apr-2007 20:06:21] <densone> korozion: do you remember how to set the listen address in the config?
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:07] <korozion> no, but I wish I did
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:20] <korozion> I just edited that file
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:30] <korozion> /etc/default/snmpd
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:36] <Snake-Eyes> set listen ip address for snmpd ?
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:37] <korozion> not sure if that's the correct way, but it works
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:59] <Snake-Eyes> you have to change your init.d script
[03-Apr-2007 20:09:17] <Snake-Eyes> if you look at snmpd man page, it shows you eg snmpd udp:128.128.128.128:161
[03-Apr-2007 20:10:35] <Snake-Eyes> ah
[03-Apr-2007 20:13:09] <Snake-Eyes> korozion, what linux distro do you run ?
[03-Apr-2007 20:13:31] <korozion> Debian
[03-Apr-2007 20:13:39] <korozion> well, kubuntu here at home
[03-Apr-2007 20:13:42] <korozion> where I'm testing zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 20:14:54] <Snake-Eyes> hmm, i didnt touch default, i just edited snmpd init.d script, seeing I stop and start snmpd via init.d
[03-Apr-2007 20:15:08] <korozion> my init.d calls that default conf
[03-Apr-2007 20:15:13] <korozion> so I just edited it there
[03-Apr-2007 20:15:42] <Snake-Eyes> odd, mine doesnt it list all options etc in the script
[03-Apr-2007 20:15:56] <Snake-Eyes> oh wait kubuntu would be unstable
[03-Apr-2007 20:16:08] <korozion> indeed
[03-Apr-2007 20:16:33] <Snake-Eyes> they must have changed it between versions, i have the default file but it isn't called by init
[03-Apr-2007 20:16:48] <korozion> weird
[03-Apr-2007 20:17:41] <Snake-Eyes> thus all the defaults are redefined again in the script
[03-Apr-2007 20:18:37] <Snake-Eyes> nm its called, i missed the statement
[03-Apr-2007 20:19:23] <korozion> heh
[03-Apr-2007 20:19:27] <Snake-Eyes> hmm now what to do
[03-Apr-2007 20:20:02] * Snake-Eyes sighs
[03-Apr-2007 20:25:23] <Snake-Eyes> time to reverse some changes
[03-Apr-2007 20:25:35] <korozion> what's broked?
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[03-Apr-2007 20:37:05] <Snake-Eyes> nothing
[03-Apr-2007 20:37:33] <Snake-Eyes> just using the defaults file is alot better way than what i did
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[03-Apr-2007 21:11:46] <WolfeWLU> Does zenoss support the concept of DataSource/Threshold/Graph configurations that you can import at will into templates? Idea being you've got /Devices/Device and /Devices/Network/Device which are technically different, but both need a "Ping" DataSource/Threshold pair.
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[03-Apr-2007 22:35:28] <densone> so I am still stuck trying to change the LISTEN for snmpd
[03-Apr-2007 22:35:41] <densone> from 127.0.0.1 to the actual ip
[03-Apr-2007 22:35:52] <densone> anyone have any insight on where to add this
[03-Apr-2007 22:36:06] <korozion> only the idea I had before
[03-Apr-2007 22:46:27] <densone> k
[03-Apr-2007 22:46:33] <densone> looks like it worked this time
[03-Apr-2007 22:46:48] <densone> wasnt running with sudo
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[04-Apr-2007 00:30:53] <Igbothom_3rd> hi, I'm currently looking for a monitoring app that will let me not only monitor the devices on our own network, but also those of our clients. Most will be Windows devices, the rest will be routers, printers, Linux/BSD boxes and so on. Will Zenoss allow me to do this?
[04-Apr-2007 00:32:41] <korozion> I'm pretty new to ZenOSS, but it seems that if it has snmp, ZenOSS can monitor it
[04-Apr-2007 00:33:04] <Igbothom_3rd> there's a Win client too, I see
[04-Apr-2007 00:33:05] <korozion> I think it can monitor in other ways too
[04-Apr-2007 00:33:08] <korozion> yes, there is
[04-Apr-2007 00:33:31] <Igbothom_3rd> I'm wondering how it will handle remote networks that are not VPN connected
[04-Apr-2007 00:34:00] <Igbothom_3rd> I know that the Hobbit uses a site-based "host" to handle this, which is sensible, and it reports back to the main server
[04-Apr-2007 00:34:25] <korozion> I'd use 1) an ssh tunnel, or 2) a simple firewall rule to only allow the monitoring computer's IP to connect to the snmp port
[04-Apr-2007 00:34:38] <Igbothom_3rd> or the agent on each machine talks to the server - the site-based host is used to gather local network SNMP info from printers and such and send back to the main server
[04-Apr-2007 00:35:12] <Igbothom_3rd> that's fine for a single computer, but if there are 25 PCs and 10 other network devices on a remote site...
[04-Apr-2007 00:35:19] <korozion> I see
[04-Apr-2007 00:35:32] <korozion> I'm probably not the person to answer that question then
[04-Apr-2007 00:35:54] <Igbothom_3rd> on one single network with WAN links and private/VPN connections, it is really easy. But that's not my scenario
[04-Apr-2007 00:37:24] <Igbothom_3rd> Zenoss looks hell sweet, tho
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[04-Apr-2007 00:39:09] <korozion> yeah, I've been messing with it for a little while, and so far I really like it
[04-Apr-2007 00:39:21] <korozion> I even got a tee-shirt!
[04-Apr-2007 00:39:28] <Igbothom_3rd> lol
[04-Apr-2007 00:39:38] <korozion> thing is, I only have a few machines local, so I need to do some remote monitoring
[04-Apr-2007 00:40:39] <Igbothom_3rd> yeah, local monitoring isn't that difficult - it is when you go remote and need to monitor a remote network that the fun starts
[04-Apr-2007 00:41:47] <korozion> well, my luck has it, that it's just a few machines that are remote
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[04-Apr-2007 01:18:24] <Igbothom_3rd> korozion, who would I need to pester to find out what I'm asking?
[04-Apr-2007 01:21:15] <korozion> Igbothom_3rd: I'm not sure, but it seems that some more knowledgable people are around in the day time (est)
[04-Apr-2007 01:21:26] <Igbothom_3rd> it *is* day time here
[04-Apr-2007 01:21:32] <korozion>
[04-Apr-2007 01:21:49] <korozion> I kinda figured, which is where the (est) came in
[04-Apr-2007 01:22:18] <Igbothom_3rd> and surprisingly, I live in Brisbane, which means we use EST here, too!
[04-Apr-2007 01:22:30] <korozion> heh
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[04-Apr-2007 06:21:50] <N[]vA|> morning
[04-Apr-2007 06:21:54] <N[]vA|> any one seen this before?
[04-Apr-2007 06:21:55] <N[]vA|> CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:01] <N[]vA|> im monitoring web pages
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:04] <N[]vA|> 8 per server
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:06] <N[]vA|> 20 servers
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:13] <N[]vA|> get timeouts like this all the time
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:34] <N[]vA|> also another thing is does zenoss have kinda flap detection?
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[04-Apr-2007 07:14:23] <iuso> hi, is there a way for a zenoss service to import data from another zenoss service? so that if we have networks A and B, and both have their own zenoss monitoring set up, then the zenoss in network A could display charts of network B's stats?
[04-Apr-2007 07:25:54] <iuso> (A and B networks are not connected, but the zenoss server in A can connect to the zenoss server in B via internet)
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[04-Apr-2007 10:28:49] <Lejano> hello
[04-Apr-2007 10:29:14] <Lejano> anybody tried to configure zenoss on FreeBSD 6.2?
[04-Apr-2007 10:29:29] <Lejano> or red hat fedora 6
[04-Apr-2007 10:29:30] <Lejano> ?
[04-Apr-2007 10:30:44] <creiht> Lejano: I have on RHEL
[04-Apr-2007 10:30:52] <creiht> Are you running into problems
[04-Apr-2007 10:31:52] <Lejano> yes on fedora I have dependency mysql 5.2 problems
[04-Apr-2007 10:32:07] <Lejano> on freebsd I cannot even run install.sh
[04-Apr-2007 10:32:16] <Lejano> eventhough I have everything installed
[04-Apr-2007 10:41:40] <creiht> Lejano: What happens when you try to run install.sh on fbsd?
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[04-Apr-2007 12:42:03] <breadatfacebook> How are zenoss admins setting up "Systems" and "Groups"?
[04-Apr-2007 12:42:35] <breadatfacebook> I'm having trouble understanding the difference between systems and groups
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[04-Apr-2007 12:55:50] <dan__t> 'morning.
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[04-Apr-2007 13:12:14] <dan__t> I'd just like to say - I love Zenoss.
[04-Apr-2007 13:12:36] <dan__t> I appreciate all the work that has gone into it, if any contributers are seeing this. Thank you.
[04-Apr-2007 13:36:03] <creiht> breadatfacebook: I mostly just use groups
[04-Apr-2007 13:36:42] <creiht> The one difference with systems is that it has the Performance tab
[04-Apr-2007 13:36:58] <creiht> Which shows the performnace info for every system in the group
[04-Apr-2007 13:37:21] <creiht> It seems like there was another difference as well, but I can't remember
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[04-Apr-2007 14:40:35] <breadatfacebook> I think I'm going to augment my loader script, rather than loading devices and then manipulating their attributes later
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:00] <breadatfacebook> I'm going to go for the "delete and recreate" method of "making zenoss attributes correct"
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:05] <breadatfacebook> sound OK? anyone else do that?
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:36] <creiht> breadatfacebook: What type of attributes?
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:39] <breadatfacebook> it seems more fullproof that way
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:53] <creiht> oh
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:55] <creiht> i see
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:59] <creiht> makes sense
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:14] <breadatfacebook> such as, datacenter location, monitoring thresholds, serial numbers, etc
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:22] <breadatfacebook> if any of those are "wrong"
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:40] <breadatfacebook> rather than fixing, I'm going to delete the device and recreate via xml load
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:46] <creiht> yeah... luckily I haven't run into anything like that
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:59] <creiht> But that should work fine
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:02] <breadatfacebook> well, how'd you populate the locations?
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:06] <creiht> And would be easier for a lot of devices
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:10] <creiht> I dont
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:15] <breadatfacebook> oh..hehe
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:22] <creiht> luckily I only monitor about 100 devices
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:31] <breadatfacebook> gotcha, I'm at 2500
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:37] <creiht> cool
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:51] <creiht> So are you using it at facebook?
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[04-Apr-2007 14:44:43] <breadatfacebook> I'm evaluating zenoss...not exactly "using" it though
[04-Apr-2007 14:44:49] <creiht> ahhh
[04-Apr-2007 14:44:55] <breadatfacebook> I've got like 2000 false events clogging it up that I need to filter
[04-Apr-2007 14:45:32] <breadatfacebook> my machines are busy, so the snmp collector thinks snmp is broken, but its not, its just slow and lots of data
[04-Apr-2007 14:45:44] <creiht> Yeah I have that problem periodically
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[04-Apr-2007 14:46:08] <creiht> Ever since 1.1.1 it seems a bit more chatty with those types of things
[04-Apr-2007 14:46:20] <creiht> I get processes are not running or snmp is not running
[04-Apr-2007 14:46:22] <breadatfacebook> plus, I'm still trying to fix the filesystem monitor filters in a scalable way cause I've got about 100 filesystems that are *supposed* to be 100% full
[04-Apr-2007 14:46:23] <creiht> whey they are
[04-Apr-2007 14:48:04] <creiht> breadatfacebook: Do they all have different names?
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[04-Apr-2007 15:02:13] <_chris_> breadatfacebook: have you looked at the zFilesystemIngore zProperty?
[04-Apr-2007 15:02:37] <_chris_> you can use it to tell zenoss not to create events on certain filesystems that you expect to be full (e.g. /mnt/cdrom, /dev, whatever)
[04-Apr-2007 15:04:42] <breadatfacebook> yeah, I need to use a regexp though, cause I've got like 100 filesystems to ignore, and another added every week or so....3 regexps could take care of it in a scalable way if zenoss lets me define regexp
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[04-Apr-2007 15:09:01] <densone> I am a little confused with the zenoss interface
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:05] <densone> hoping someone can help me out
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:27] <densone> I have figured out how to add a device and get the configuration via snmp
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:35] <densone> but how do I monitor that device.
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:49] <densone> and see the processes graphs and charts
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:55] <densone> I am missing something here.
[04-Apr-2007 15:10:01] <creiht> densone: Once you add a device it will begin monitoring
[04-Apr-2007 15:10:06] <_chris_> breadatfacebook: zFilesystemIgnore allows for a regex i believe
[04-Apr-2007 15:10:15] <creiht> It will take it a little while for enough data to come in
[04-Apr-2007 15:10:32] <creiht> If you click on the device, and then the Perf tab, you will see the performance graphs
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:00] <Igbothom_III> "a little while" means about 30 minutes tops, not 5 minutes nor 2 days
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:14] <densone> lets take a look here
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:20] <densone> I left it overnight
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:26] <creiht> hehe
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:31] <creiht> It can be up to 20 minutes
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:47] <creiht> If you restart zenoss it will start collecting immediately
[04-Apr-2007 15:17:23] <densone> ok so I added this device
[04-Apr-2007 15:17:28] <densone> let me try to restart now
[04-Apr-2007 15:17:56] <creiht> densone: It will also take a couple of minutes initialy for enough data to be collected
[04-Apr-2007 15:18:21] <creiht> (as in 5-10 minutes I think )
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:15] <densone> so how do I know its actively gathering data
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:18] <densone> is there a log
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:24] <densone> or something that will tell me it polling?
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:29] <creiht> The graphs should show up
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:32] <creiht> But will be empty
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[04-Apr-2007 15:19:38] <creiht> You could also watch the logs
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:47] <creiht> logs/zenperfsnmp.log
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:09] <densone> whats the base install dir to zen?
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:11] <creiht> I think it only shows the total number of devices polled though
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:22] <creiht> if you are the zenoss user
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:25] <creiht> it should be
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:27] <creiht> $ZENHOME
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:31] <densone> ahh thats right
[04-Apr-2007 15:27:08] <densone> should "last collection" change everytime the device is polled?
[04-Apr-2007 15:28:02] <creiht> densone: looking...
[04-Apr-2007 15:28:54] <creiht> densone: Oh yes
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:07] <creiht> well
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:10] <creiht> maybe
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:19] <densone> lol
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:26] <creiht> Depends on where you see that I think
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:44] <densone> under the device itself
[04-Apr-2007 15:30:28] <densone> / Devices / Server / Linux / Ubuntu / sf-fw01
[04-Apr-2007 15:30:44] <creiht> I'm looking at mine
[04-Apr-2007 15:30:55] <creiht> I'm not sure sure if that is the last collection of data
[04-Apr-2007 15:31:06] <creiht> or the last time the device information was modeled
[04-Apr-2007 15:31:40] <densone> k
[04-Apr-2007 15:33:36] <densone> so I am rebooting the device
[04-Apr-2007 15:33:47] <densone> theoretically I should get an event right?
[04-Apr-2007 15:33:55] <creiht> correct
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:02] <creiht> The next time it polls
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:09] <creiht> I think it polls in 5 minute intervals
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:14] <creiht> by default
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:19] <densone> is there a setting for that somewhere?
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:46] <creiht> yes
[04-Apr-2007 15:35:27] <creiht> but I think it involves a little more than changing a setting
[04-Apr-2007 15:36:29] <densone> ahh
[04-Apr-2007 15:36:31] <densone> I see
[04-Apr-2007 15:38:35] <densone> what is the best way to restart zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 15:39:12] <densone> zenoss restart?
[04-Apr-2007 15:39:32] <creiht> densone: That will work
[04-Apr-2007 15:39:44] <densone> coo
[04-Apr-2007 15:39:48] <creiht> Out of old habits, I usually do a stop, and then start
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:14] <creiht> densone: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/zenoss-0.23
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:14] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss-0.23 - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:19] <creiht> There is a section that talks about changing the interval
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:30] <creiht> At that point they changed from 1 minute to 5 minutes
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:44] <creiht> It looks like you use the zenstep command
[04-Apr-2007 15:43:32] <creiht> so say you wanted to change to one minute intervals
[04-Apr-2007 15:43:43] <creiht> stop zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 15:43:45] <creiht> and then run
[04-Apr-2007 15:44:01] <creiht> zenstep --step=60 --commit
[04-Apr-2007 15:44:08] <creiht> and then start zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 15:44:23] <densone> looks like restarting zenoss fixed all my issues
[04-Apr-2007 15:44:35] <creiht> cool
[04-Apr-2007 15:45:37] <densone> now I just have to config net-snmp to not bind 127.0.0.1
[04-Apr-2007 15:48:25] <creiht> densone: Not sure if this will help, but:
[04-Apr-2007 15:48:39] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[04-Apr-2007 15:48:39] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[04-Apr-2007 15:50:55] <Igbothom_III> densone, sounds like a Windows problem - restart to fix.
[04-Apr-2007 15:55:03] <densone> haha
[04-Apr-2007 15:55:45] <Igbothom_III> (and I'm the one who wants to use Zenoss to manage multiple client sites, mainly running Windows boxes)
[04-Apr-2007 15:56:04] <densone> it actually seems like I only get zenoss to collect if I restart it
[04-Apr-2007 15:56:59] <creiht> densone: Zenoss caches the configurations information
[04-Apr-2007 15:57:12] <creiht> And it reloads the config info every 30 minutes
[04-Apr-2007 15:57:26] <Igbothom_III> hhmmm, I think I made reference to that earlier
[04-Apr-2007 15:57:50] <densone> is there somethin s
[04-Apr-2007 15:57:52] <Igbothom_III> (and I've not even used Zenoss yet, d/led the VM yesterday)
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:00] <densone> does that go for everything though?
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:02] <creiht> Igbothom_III: haha
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:05] <creiht> yes
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:08] <creiht> pretty much
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:28] <densone> k ill wait and see what happends
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:35] <Igbothom_III> can you -SIGHUP it to get it to reload now?
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:42] <creiht> yes
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:49] <Igbothom_III> groovy
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:54] <creiht> You can restart the monitor daemons (or the whole thing)
[04-Apr-2007 15:59:01] <creiht> Which will cause the config to reload
[04-Apr-2007 15:59:14] <creiht> Igbothom_III: You can just do
[04-Apr-2007 15:59:17] <creiht> zenoss restart
[04-Apr-2007 15:59:51] <Igbothom_III> that works for me
[04-Apr-2007 16:00:38] <Igbothom_III> creiht, can I stick a single ZenWin agent on a server at a client site and have it WMI probe all machines on the site and then report back to my server with the results?
[04-Apr-2007 16:01:41] <Igbothom_III> ... and I gather there's a similar tool that will snmp probe the network and report back to me
[04-Apr-2007 16:01:57] <Igbothom_III> (and these clients are on separate, non-VPNed networks)
[04-Apr-2007 16:02:16] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: the zenwin agent is designed to read NT events from the windows network
[04-Apr-2007 16:02:25] <_chris_> and then forward them back to zenoss via xmlrpc
[04-Apr-2007 16:03:00] <Igbothom_III> events, as in "event logs" or "wmi info" such as performance info, event log info, etc?
[04-Apr-2007 16:03:53] <creiht> Igbothom_III: If you want to collect the data remotely from a server other than your zenoss server
[04-Apr-2007 16:03:53] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: "event logs". performance information is still collected by the central zenoss server via snmp (and the Informant DLL)
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:00] <creiht> Check out the ZenossAdminGuide
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:04] <_chris_> i don't believe zenwin facilitates any kind of performance monitoring
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:08] <creiht> Section 13.2
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:12] <Igbothom_III> hhmmm
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:17] <Igbothom_III> reading...
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:32] <creiht> Igbothom_III: You can get windows performance monitoring through snmp and SNMPInformant
[04-Apr-2007 16:05:20] <Igbothom_III> so, no WMI performance capabilities?
[04-Apr-2007 16:05:39] <creiht> Igbothom_III: Not sure... I haven't used Zenwin yet
[04-Apr-2007 16:06:03] <Igbothom_III> snmp-informant would need to then be loaded on all machines in the network and what would I run to have that all report back to my remote server?
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:13] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: windows has a native snmp agent built into it. the informant DLL just allows that agent to export additional CPU and memory information
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:18] <Igbothom_III> aahhh, creiht, I don't want to have to install a Zenoss server on every client site (especially since these sites are Windows sites) just to have the info sent to my box
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:37] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: the winders boxes don't push their performance info to the zenoss server. the zenoss server collects it via SNMP
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:56] <Igbothom_III> I have looked into the Hobbit and it runs an agent on each machine BBWin, which can report back most of what I want by default, Zenoss just looks a lot nicer to use, more powerful
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:56] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: you don't have to install zenoss on all your boxes
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:18] <Igbothom_III> native Windows snmp is rather lacklustre
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:30] <dan__t> huh, was i just looking at my facebook thing.
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:35] <dan__t> Small world
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:50] <_chris_> facebook wasn't around when i was slutting around in college
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:56] <creiht> Igbothom_III: You have one remote machine running the zenpersnmp daemon
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:57] <dan__t> That's a damn shame.
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:59] <Igbothom_III> facebook?
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:01] <dan__t> It's done me quite well. heh.
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:13] <Igbothom_III> creiht, that's easily doable
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:20] <dan__t> I've stumbled on many a piece of ass that looks much, much better a few years after graduation.
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:34] <creiht> It would collect snmp info from those machine and report information to the main zenoss install
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:43] <Igbothom_III> hang on - is zenpersnmp able to run in Windows? Prolly not
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:49] <creiht> You would need to install snmpinformant though on each device
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:59] <creiht> Igbothom_III: I believe so
[04-Apr-2007 16:10:08] <dan__t> I've discovered and used about 1% of Zenoss' full potential. I'm anxious.
[04-Apr-2007 16:10:33] <Igbothom_III> dan__t, most ass looks (and feels) better a few years after graduation
[04-Apr-2007 16:10:53] <dan__t> heh heh heh.
[04-Apr-2007 16:10:57] <dan__t> Indeed, sir.
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:13] <Igbothom_III> tho, it is quite enjoyable pre-graduation too
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:23] <dan__t> I won't argue that.
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:32] <densone> nice its gathering data
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:37] <_chris_> did anyone notice that last night the first espisode of the latest season of Deadliest Catch aired?
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:45] <_chris_> and Shark Week is comin up.... oh man i love it....
[04-Apr-2007 16:12:13] <dan__t> I want to say that I saw in some screenshots, the ability to put graphs and other data in the dashboard. Like if I wanted to see a section that was entirely "Bandwidth", and another one that was entirely "disk space on /", etc etc.
[04-Apr-2007 16:12:20] <dan__t> Why am I not seeing that?
[04-Apr-2007 16:12:35] <dan__t> No, I did not notice, _chris_.
[04-Apr-2007 16:12:53] <creiht> dan__t: It's pretty easy to create any page that has links to the graphs
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:05] <creiht> If you want you can also customize the main page
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:08] <dan__t> I just want a basic overview of said services blah blah
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:20] <dan__t> Maybe I should just tinker and read some more, I'm just barely getting started
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:26] <dan__t> Just wanted to make sure I was headed in the right direction.
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:43] <creiht> dan__t: It's very much worth a look at
[04-Apr-2007 16:15:35] <Igbothom_III> you *sure* there's a "zenpersnmp" that will run natively on Windows? cannot see any mention of it
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:03] <Igbothom_III> oh, or is it a python script?
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:15] <creiht> Igbothom_III: It's a piece of zenoss which is all python
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:19] <Igbothom_III> that's right - Zenoss is python
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:31] <creiht> And as far as I know Zenoss will run on Windows
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:36] <Igbothom_III> so, should run fine on a Windows box with python and pywin installed
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:40] <dan__t> I need to ditch Cacti.
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:53] <creiht> Igbothom_III: Double checking though
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:58] <Igbothom_III>
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:07] <dan__t> I'm sure you guys know how much of a pain in the ass it was to get plugins working
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:24] <creiht> doh
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:33] <creiht> Well it doesn't run on windows right now
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:40] <creiht> Almost everything else though
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:51] <dan__t> And what is zenpersnmp?
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:54] <Igbothom_III> not that I've seen (Zenoss) but hopefully zenpersnmp will
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:54] <creiht> There is a workaround where you can run it as a vmplayer instance on a windows box
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:06] <Igbothom_III> yeah, d/led that yesterday
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:23] <creiht> It is the daemon in zenoss that collects the snmp performance data
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:30] <dan__t> oh ok.
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:40] <dan__t> Is this meant to be a substitute for any other vanilla snmp daemon?
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:58] <creiht> dan__t: It is specific for zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:09] <dan__t> I see
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:10] <creiht> All it does is collect snmp information from other clients
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:14] <creiht> And report back to zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:39] <dan__t> And why can't Zenoss do this?
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:46] <dan__t> Or does it facilitate the operation of Zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:49] <creiht> It's one piece of zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:55] <dan__t> ah yes, I remember reading htat.
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:57] <dan__t> that, rather.
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:09] <creiht> There are several daemons that all talk with each other
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:15] <dan__t> Yeap, I remember that much.
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:18] <creiht> The idea being that it is easier to distribute
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:23] <dan__t> Cool, its starting to 'click'
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:29] <creiht> So that for instance you can pu the pollers on other servers
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:35] <dan__t> Yeah, that's bad-ass.
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:37] <creiht> Or have more than one server do snmp polling
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:52] <dan__t> Ok, in Cacti, we have "host templates" - what is the Zenoss equivelant?
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:06] <dan__t> "host templates" define certain resources to monitor for a specific host
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:19] <creiht> dan__t: I havn't used Cacti but I will say probably device templates
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:24] <creiht> Zenoss uses a device tree
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:26] <dan__t> ok.
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:29] <dan__t> yeah
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:41] <creiht> You can define template at any point in the device tree
[04-Apr-2007 16:22:05] <Igbothom_III> but will zenpersnmp send data to a remote (as in, across the Internet, not VPN) Zenoss server?
[04-Apr-2007 16:22:31] <creiht> Igbothom_III: As long as it can reach it via IP, I would think so... I haven't actually tried it
[04-Apr-2007 16:22:39] <Igbothom_III> k
[04-Apr-2007 16:24:10] <dan__t> I wonder if I can make a Xen device type, to collect info about Xen devices....
[04-Apr-2007 16:24:18] <creiht> dan__t: Yup
[04-Apr-2007 16:24:42] <dan__t> I'll be porting about a dozen FreeBSD machines under Xen in the coming few days
[04-Apr-2007 16:24:43] <creiht> So under the server devices, you can create a new folder called xen
[04-Apr-2007 16:25:09] <creiht> It will automatically inherit the default monitoring template
[04-Apr-2007 16:25:27] <creiht> You then can copy and paste the ones you want to override, or make new templates of things to monitor
[04-Apr-2007 16:25:47] <creiht> So that any device you put in the folder will be monitored with those templates
[04-Apr-2007 16:26:18] <dan__t> Can I use some sort of multi-dimensional organization, such as /Devices/Server/FreeBSD/Servername and /Database Servers/Machine Name ?
[04-Apr-2007 16:26:31] <dan__t> making them one and the same
[04-Apr-2007 16:26:55] <creiht> wel not directly that way
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:01] <creiht> but
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:05] <dan__t> Because I might have a FreeBSD server, which is a database server. In a tree, I'd like to see it from both sides, I guess
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:10] <dan__t> Doesn't matter, I'm just anal about shit like that
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:15] <creiht> well in that case you would have
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:29] <creiht> /Devices/Server/FreeBSD/Database
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:46] <creiht> The database template would inherit anythign from the FreeBSD template
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:46] <dan__t> Yeah, I could certainly do it that way.
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:16] <creiht> If you want to just organize devices in groups
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:24] <creiht> And don't need other performance metrics
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:31] <dan__t> heh
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:37] <dan__t> No, I need preformance stats.
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:40] <dan__t> performance, rather
[04-Apr-2007 16:29:57] <creiht> cool.. Then if you need other performance data other than what is already collected by the freebsd template then you would want to do that in the device tree
[04-Apr-2007 16:30:13] <dan__t> yep.
[04-Apr-2007 16:30:18] <dan__t> I like this, how I can make my own alerts.
[04-Apr-2007 16:30:25] <dan__t> That's going to be bad-ass for Apache and SQL monitoring and such.
[04-Apr-2007 16:30:38] <dan__t> Throw a result, expect an answer. If good, great. If bad, alert. That's awesome.
[04-Apr-2007 16:31:57] <creiht> dan__t: Do you want to just forec Zenoss to throw a random alert, or do you want to make your own poller in Zenoss?
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:18] <dan__t> Looks like I can do both, right?
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:21] <creiht> yes
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:27] <dan__t> Perfect
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:48] <dan__t> Eventually writing my own class or whatever to check a number of metrics in both mysql and/or Apache would be the goal.
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:49] <creiht> For the later, there is a thing called Zenpacks coming that will make writing plugins easier
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:03] <dan__t> Is there a repository or anything of plugins and such that people have made?
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:05] <dan__t> Oh, awesome
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:13] <creiht> You can also create (or use one that is already available) nagios plugin to do the job
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:30] <dan__t> Don't say the N word, please.
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:33] <creiht> hehe
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:43] <dan__t> ruh roh.... one of my techs just dropped the f bomb on a customer...
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:46] <creiht> Well it is there as a last resort incase you need it
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:47] <dan__t> gotta go, be back in a few.
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:22] <Igbothom_III> and what's wrong with Nagios?
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:35] <Igbothom_III> ('cept being rather, well cryptic)
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:36] <creiht> Igbothom_III: For a lot of cases it works well
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:47] <creiht> For large installations it does not scale well
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:57] <creiht> And becomes cumbersome to manage very quickly
[04-Apr-2007 16:38:08] <Igbothom_III> as we manage SMB clients, that should never be an issue for us
[04-Apr-2007 16:38:24] <Igbothom_III> however, the cumbersome bit is why I'm looking at Zenoss instead
[04-Apr-2007 16:38:39] <Igbothom_III> and why I originally looked th the Hobbit Monitor
[04-Apr-2007 16:38:49] <creiht> Zenoss is soooooo much smoother
[04-Apr-2007 16:39:03] <Igbothom_III> looks it from what I've seen
[04-Apr-2007 16:39:09] <Igbothom_III> hope to play a little over the weekend
[04-Apr-2007 16:44:22] <dan__t> back... that was interesting heh
[04-Apr-2007 16:48:27] <illsci> awhile ago this sales guy asked one of the engineers where i was at what this customers problem was over email
[04-Apr-2007 16:48:43] <illsci> and the engineer replied that it was an id10t error
[04-Apr-2007 16:48:48] <dan__t> hahaha
[04-Apr-2007 16:48:49] <illsci> so the sales guy just forwarded it to him
[04-Apr-2007 16:49:01] <illsci> to the customer like that was going to be helpful and he cc'd the engineer
[04-Apr-2007 16:49:06] <illsci> we are all sitting around
[04-Apr-2007 16:49:17] <illsci> and we hear "You didn't just forward that to them did you?"
[04-Apr-2007 16:49:24] <illsci> and then we saw what it was and all died laughing
[04-Apr-2007 16:52:03] <Igbothom_III> says it all for salespeople - they are clueless
[04-Apr-2007 16:53:09] <dan__t> nice.
[04-Apr-2007 17:02:45] <jimmy-james> i just started up the vmware image of zenoss to test it out but i cant aceess the management interface, i can ping the box but i can't point my web browser at it
[04-Apr-2007 17:02:52] <jimmy-james> anyone heard of this before?
[04-Apr-2007 17:03:12] <jimmy-james> btw im running it in vmware-server with my connection set to NAT
[04-Apr-2007 17:04:14] <creiht> jimmy-james: Are you running any VPN software at the moment?
[04-Apr-2007 17:04:57] <jimmy-james> no, not right now
[04-Apr-2007 17:05:16] <creiht> It is supposed to work
[04-Apr-2007 17:06:44] <jimmy-james> ill tinker with it
[04-Apr-2007 17:06:46] <creiht> Can you ssh into it?
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[04-Apr-2007 17:07:23] <jimmy-james> yes
[04-Apr-2007 17:07:37] <creiht> Check that zenoss is running
[04-Apr-2007 17:07:48] <creiht> find out where zenoss is installed
[04-Apr-2007 17:07:55] <creiht> echo $ZENHOME
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:04] <creiht> cd $ZENHOME/bin
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:05] <creiht> and run
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:07] <creiht> zenoss status
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:24] <Igbothom_III> goddamnjust installed VMWare 6 beta on Vista Ultimate x64 - rebooting in the vain hope this will actually work now
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:57] <jimmy-james> says its all running
[04-Apr-2007 17:09:38] <jimmy-james> bah
[04-Apr-2007 17:09:40] <jimmy-james> my bad
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[04-Apr-2007 17:09:51] <jimmy-james> i was going to 8888 instead of 8080
[04-Apr-2007 17:10:07] <jimmy-james> thanks for all your help creiht
[04-Apr-2007 17:10:07] <creiht> hehe
[04-Apr-2007 17:10:09] <creiht> np
[04-Apr-2007 17:14:31] <WolfeWLU> Does anyone know if Zenoss understands the concept of warn and critical as returned from a Nagios plugin?
[04-Apr-2007 17:14:50] <WolfeWLU> Also, is it possible to parse the return string from a Nagios plugin to be able to graph a number in it?
[04-Apr-2007 17:24:08] <_chris_> WolfeWLU: the answer to your last question is yes most definitely.
[04-Apr-2007 17:32:45] <densone> creiht: do you work on the zenoss project?
[04-Apr-2007 17:47:22] <densone> I dont understand what the alert schedule is for
[04-Apr-2007 17:47:34] <densone> can someone enlighten me
[04-Apr-2007 17:52:46] <_chris_> densone: some places have engineers that are "on call" on certain times of the day or days of the week
[04-Apr-2007 17:52:55] <_chris_> the alert schedule allows you to capture that information and give it to zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 17:57:44] <creiht> densone: Nope... just a happy user
[04-Apr-2007 18:06:51] <densone> so I am trying to configure alerts to get emailed to me
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[04-Apr-2007 18:07:14] <Igbothom_III> well, VMWare Wkstn 6 beta seems to work in Vista Ultimate x64
[04-Apr-2007 18:07:26] <densone> I am monitoring snmp on one of my boxes
[04-Apr-2007 18:07:28] <densone> I kill snmp
[04-Apr-2007 18:07:36] <densone> I see the error on my dashboard
[04-Apr-2007 18:07:42] <densone> never get an email
[04-Apr-2007 18:07:53] <densone> I have tested smtp and it works
[04-Apr-2007 18:11:32] <creiht> densone: What severity is smtp coming in as? I think by default it is warning, and the default email alerts only trigger when severity is Error or higher
[04-Apr-2007 18:12:01] <densone> I changed it to error
[04-Apr-2007 18:12:33] <creiht> look at the $ZENHOME/logs/zenactions.log
[04-Apr-2007 18:12:38] <creiht> And see if there are any errors
[04-Apr-2007 18:13:20] <densone> k
[04-Apr-2007 18:14:33] <densone> 2007-04-04 15:13:17 INFO zen.ZenActions: sent email:[zenoss] CLEAR: sf-fw01 snmp agent up on device sf-fw01 to:sean@rupture.com
[04-Apr-2007 18:14:36] <densone> 2007-04-04 15:13:17 INFO zen.ZenActions: processed 1 rules in 0.04 secs
[04-Apr-2007 18:14:54] <creiht> densone: So it looks like it sent the email
[04-Apr-2007 18:15:07] <creiht> Have you tried clicking the test button on the users screen?
[04-Apr-2007 18:16:33] <densone> yeah
[04-Apr-2007 18:16:39] <densone> the test button worked
[04-Apr-2007 18:16:40] <densone> hmm
[04-Apr-2007 18:16:48] <densone> will have to try somethign real quick
[04-Apr-2007 18:16:49] <creiht> odd
[04-Apr-2007 18:17:26] <creiht> Marked as spam maybe?
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[04-Apr-2007 18:19:18] <densone> no
[04-Apr-2007 18:19:21] <densone> I would see the junk
[04-Apr-2007 18:19:25] <densone> it only changes the color
[04-Apr-2007 18:19:35] <densone> I sent another test email and it worked
[04-Apr-2007 18:21:54] <densone> not sure why I am not seeing the alert come in
[04-Apr-2007 18:22:10] <creiht> Yeah that is odd
[04-Apr-2007 18:22:57] <densone> who does it send the email as?
[04-Apr-2007 18:26:50] <creiht> densone: zenoss@hostname
[04-Apr-2007 18:26:58] <creiht> and it will have [zenoss] in the message
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[04-Apr-2007 20:14:18] <densone> question: do you have to to have a schedule to send an alert?
[04-Apr-2007 20:14:22] <pyronicide> is there a way to add a service and then make it monitor a specific port? every time i add one, it comes set to port 0 and i can't seem to change that
[04-Apr-2007 20:20:59] <densone> so I can send a test email via zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 20:21:06] <densone> but I am not getting the alert emails
[04-Apr-2007 20:21:14] <densone> anyone run into this?
[04-Apr-2007 20:21:46] <Snake-Eyes> densone, no, just need to have made te user with a valid email address and added them to the device you wish them to monitor and setup a alerting rules
[04-Apr-2007 20:22:53] <Snake-Eyes> alerting rules are under the user and to added them to a device goto the manage tab
[04-Apr-2007 20:28:56] <Snake-Eyes> pyronicide, you cant add service manually yet, if they're not auto discovered, you're out of luck for now
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[04-Apr-2007 20:29:05] <b_52GM> hi
[04-Apr-2007 20:29:13] <b_52GM> i have problem to install zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 20:29:25] <b_52GM> http://paste.debian.net/25013
[04-Apr-2007 20:29:25] <adytum-bot> Title: #debian.de paste zone (at paste.debian.net)
[04-Apr-2007 20:29:28] <Snake-Eyes> pyronicide, i think some future version will let you add them manually, maybe 1.3, not sure
[04-Apr-2007 20:31:07] <pyronicide> ahh, bummer, i'll just keep renaming then
[04-Apr-2007 20:32:17] <Snake-Eyes> b_52GM, um whats the error, I cant read french ?
[04-Apr-2007 20:33:18] <b_52GM> make: *** [build/winexe-0.7/.unpacked] Erreur 2
[04-Apr-2007 20:33:31] <b_52GM> Snake-Eyes, winexe related what's that ?
[04-Apr-2007 20:33:55] <b_52GM> argh i think i need space in ny directoy sorry guys
[04-Apr-2007 20:34:13] <Snake-Eyes> hehe np
[04-Apr-2007 20:34:35] <bzed> is the french gcc output as worse as the german translation?
[04-Apr-2007 20:35:28] <b_52GM> bzed, french is a stupid language
[04-Apr-2007 20:37:41] <bzed> b_52GM: it sounds great, though - althogh I understand nothing
[04-Apr-2007 20:39:26] <b_52GM> bzed,
; (i'm not french) i speak perfectly french and i discover that i have loosed my past years leaning french ... [04-Apr-2007 20:39:35] * b_52GM would like to learn chinese
[04-Apr-2007 20:40:06] <Snake-Eyes> why chinese ?
[04-Apr-2007 20:40:33] <b_52GM> hm i'm interested by the culture/country ,
[04-Apr-2007 20:41:03] <b_52GM> and turkish
[04-Apr-2007 20:41:14] <b_52GM> i'm interessted with their culture too
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[04-Apr-2007 20:42:22] <cblack0> greetings zensters!
[04-Apr-2007 20:43:01] <cblack0> We are playing around with some monitoring packages and one of our group just installed zenoss, it looks pretty good.
[04-Apr-2007 20:43:40] <cblack0> I am now trying to add some ethernet switches to zenoss, I made sure snmpwalk pulls data, etc and then did the add device from the web frontend but don't see anything. I've gone thru the wiki and don't see anything about switches in the table of contents. Does anyone have any pointers?
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[04-Apr-2007 20:53:43] <WolfeWL1> What kind of data are you trying to pull? And what kind of switch?
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[04-Apr-2007 20:56:02] <cblack0> dell powerconnect, I would like to have traffic graphs for individual ports
[04-Apr-2007 20:56:25] <cblack0> basic ethernet switch monitoring, what ports are active, etc
[04-Apr-2007 20:57:02] <cblack0> an snmpwalk on the switch gives almost 10000 lines of output, so I figure it should have something in there
[04-Apr-2007 20:57:38] <cblack0> all I get on it right now is uptime
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[04-Apr-2007 20:59:04] <cblack0> snmpwalk shows stuff like ifInOctets.4, ifOutOctets.4, ifInUcastPkts.4, etc (for port 4)
[04-Apr-2007 20:59:21] <WolfeWL2> Did you put your switch on the the /Devices/Switches device class?
[04-Apr-2007 20:59:45] <WolfeWL2> If you don't then the default Device template they've created for Cisco Switches won't kick in and graph those things.
[04-Apr-2007 21:00:03] <WolfeWL2> snmpwalk just shows you what's available so you can extend the template yourself or create a new one from scratch.
[04-Apr-2007 21:00:44] <WolfeWL2> Technically most of the OIDs they template by default are in most switches.
[04-Apr-2007 21:00:59] <WolfeWL2> We put our Foundry gear under there and those items were graphed correctly.
[04-Apr-2007 21:01:28] <cblack0> lemme parse that, hold on (new to zenoss, mibs, and snmp)
[04-Apr-2007 21:02:03] <cblack0> it is in the /Network/Switch class
[04-Apr-2007 21:02:27] <b_52GM> MySQL root passwd: root
[04-Apr-2007 21:02:27] <b_52GM> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)
[04-Apr-2007 21:02:27] <b_52GM> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)
[04-Apr-2007 21:02:27] <b_52GM> mysql install, user or password is incorrect
[04-Apr-2007 21:02:35] <b_52GM> i got this during zenoss install
[04-Apr-2007 21:02:47] <cblack0> make sure mysql is set up correctly and running
[04-Apr-2007 21:03:02] <cblack0> and that you can connect from the cmdline mysql client
[04-Apr-2007 21:03:17] <WolfeWL2> If you go to the /Network/Switch class and click "PerfConf" do you see a template named "Device".
[04-Apr-2007 21:04:19] <b_52GM> cblack0, hm ok
[04-Apr-2007 21:04:51] <WolfeWL2> Drill into the template and it should show you what needs to be graphed.
[04-Apr-2007 21:04:56] <WolfeWL2> Er...what will be graphed.
[04-Apr-2007 21:05:26] <cblack0> looking, I got there by doing: main page->devices (on left side)->classes tab->clicked network->clicked switch
[04-Apr-2007 21:05:29] <cblack0> am I in the right place?
[04-Apr-2007 21:05:39] <WolfeWL2> Any device put into /Network/Switches will have those things graphed automagically. If you need additional OIDs graphed you need to add them as DataSources and then add Graphs for the DataSources.
[04-Apr-2007 21:05:42] <cblack0> then click PerfConf page
[04-Apr-2007 21:05:45] <cblack0> er, tab
[04-Apr-2007 21:06:11] <WolfeWL2> Devices->Classes->Network->Switch->PerfConf Tab->Device
[04-Apr-2007 21:06:14] <WolfeWL2> Yup.
[04-Apr-2007 21:06:18] <WolfeWL2> Its a little confusing.
[04-Apr-2007 21:06:38] <cblack0> and within there I see Device, Filesyste, IpService,OSProcess, Unknown, WinService, ethernetCsmacd, iso88023Csmacd
[04-Apr-2007 21:06:46] <WolfeWL2> Drill into Device.
[04-Apr-2007 21:07:03] <cblack0> ok, I see DataSources just shows sysUpTime
[04-Apr-2007 21:07:35] <WolfeWL2> Hmm....
[04-Apr-2007 21:07:41] <WolfeWL2> You should see more...one sec.
[04-Apr-2007 21:07:49] <cblack0> k, I really appreciate it
[04-Apr-2007 21:08:35] <WolfeWL2> Erm....nevermind I'm brain farting.
[04-Apr-2007 21:08:38] <WolfeWL2> That's all that's in there.
[04-Apr-2007 21:08:44] <WolfeWL2> If you go to the "OS" tab though for the switch.
[04-Apr-2007 21:09:02] <WolfeWL2> You'll see all the interfaces listed. Drill into an interface and you'll see they've graphed the stats you want by interface.
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[04-Apr-2007 21:09:14] <cblack0> nope, I see nothing in there
says "No Interfaces"[04-Apr-2007 21:09:16] <WolfeWL2> Now if you want things like temp or fan speed graphed those will be configured in the Template you were just in.
[04-Apr-2007 21:09:28] <WolfeWL2> Check your SNMP community.
[04-Apr-2007 21:09:47] <WolfeWL2> What vendor is this?
[04-Apr-2007 21:09:50] <cblack0> dell
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[04-Apr-2007 21:10:12] <cblack0> the community is the one I added via the switch console and it also gives tons of stuff from snmpwalk with this commiunity
[04-Apr-2007 21:10:14] <cblack0> doublechecking
[04-Apr-2007 21:10:26] <WolfeWL2> Hmm...
[04-Apr-2007 21:11:30] <WolfeWL2> When you created the device did it complain about not being able to pull SNMP info?
[04-Apr-2007 21:12:02] <WolfeWL2> BRB.
[04-Apr-2007 21:12:05] <cblack0> how do I change what template it uses? It is using template /Devices, I think it needs to use template /Network/Switch
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[04-Apr-2007 21:12:58] <cblack0> I think my problem is that it is using the very basic /Devices template which only does uptime
[04-Apr-2007 21:13:20] <cblack0> even tho it is in the path /Devices/Network/Switch
[04-Apr-2007 21:13:34] <WolfeWL2> The /Devices template doesn't affect the Interfaces display.
[04-Apr-2007 21:13:47] <WolfeWL2> The ethernetCsmacd Template does.
[04-Apr-2007 21:14:02] <cblack0> when I look at PerfConf tab on this device, it just shows "RRDTemplate@ /Devices
[04-Apr-2007 21:14:21] <WolfeWL2> Yeah...that just means its looking in /Devices.
[04-Apr-2007 21:14:28] <cblack0> and that is normal/ok?
[04-Apr-2007 21:14:32] <cblack0> sorry, new to zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 21:14:37] <WolfeWL2> Yeah its OK.
[04-Apr-2007 21:14:42] <WolfeWL2> Its a function of the app server they're using.
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[04-Apr-2007 21:14:52] <WolfeWL2> Its no problem. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:15:09] <WolfeWL2> Think of it this way. An interface is an object of type ethernetCsmacd
[04-Apr-2007 21:15:19] <WolfeWL2> A device itself is an object of type Device.
[04-Apr-2007 21:15:44] <WolfeWL2> So what they do is they look at the object type for the object your on and then try and find a template of the same name as the object type.
[04-Apr-2007 21:15:44] <cblack0> when I look at our openbsd boxes that graph multiple interfaces well, PerfConf has RRDTemplate@/Devices/Server
[04-Apr-2007 21:16:06] <WolfeWL2> Yup...because its using the ethernetCsmacd template in /Devices/Server
[04-Apr-2007 21:16:12] <WolfeWL2> Click on the link and you'll see what I mean.
[04-Apr-2007 21:16:28] <cblack0> which link, the "/Devices/Server" link on my obsd->PerfConf tab?
[04-Apr-2007 21:16:35] <WolfeWL2> /Devices/Server
[04-Apr-2007 21:16:44] <WolfeWL2> It'll take you right to the template they're using for that object.
[04-Apr-2007 21:17:49] <cblack0> sorry, too many links that look like /Devices/Server, moving back around
[04-Apr-2007 21:18:15] <WolfeWL2> Yeah. Its kind of hard to wrap your mind around.
[04-Apr-2007 21:18:30] <WolfeWL2> We've been using it for 3-4 days. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:18:57] <cblack0> I think I am starting to understand the template thing, I still am wondering why I am not seeing a better template in the /Network/Switch
[04-Apr-2007 21:19:06] <WolfeWL2> Cuz they didn't make one. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:19:16] <WolfeWL2> Just add the DataPoints you want graphed.
[04-Apr-2007 21:19:29] <WolfeWL2> You really don't want InPackets and such graphed there because that's a per interface thing.
[04-Apr-2007 21:19:46] <cblack0> grah, maybe I should just put this switch in /Devices/Server so it'll auto-find interfaces
[04-Apr-2007 21:19:48] <WolfeWL2> You want that graphed in /Network/Switch/ethernetcsmacd
[04-Apr-2007 21:19:56] <WolfeWL2> LOL. It should be doing that already.
[04-Apr-2007 21:20:11] <WolfeWL2> The default /Devices/EthernetCsmacd template should work fine.
[04-Apr-2007 21:20:30] <cblack0> so how do I get that template to be applied to /Network/Switch/*?
[04-Apr-2007 21:20:34] <WolfeWL2> You can try it and see if it fixes it.
[04-Apr-2007 21:20:42] <cblack0> bc right now OS for my switch shows no interfaces
[04-Apr-2007 21:20:44] <cblack0> yeah, lemme try, hold
[04-Apr-2007 21:20:54] <WolfeWL2> OK that's because Zenoss isn't finding any interface to work with.
[04-Apr-2007 21:20:59] <WolfeWL2> That has nothing to do with the template.
[04-Apr-2007 21:21:15] <WolfeWL2> The template will only get hit when you have an interface and drill into it.
[04-Apr-2007 21:22:00] <cblack0> do I need to do anything after moving it to rescan? or just hit change
[04-Apr-2007 21:22:46] <WolfeWL2> You'll need to go to the Manage tab on the device and hit "Recollect Configuration".
[04-Apr-2007 21:24:11] <cblack0> said "Collect Configuration", clicked that
[04-Apr-2007 21:24:18] <cblack0> looking at collection log now
[04-Apr-2007 21:24:25] <WolfeWL2> OK. Any errors?
[04-Apr-2007 21:25:11] <cblack0> some at top, but it seems like it collected some stuff, hold
[04-Apr-2007 21:25:17] <WolfeWL2> OK.
[04-Apr-2007 21:25:25] <cblack0> I see some errors about Shouldn't load state for 0xb6ee when the connection is closed
[04-Apr-2007 21:25:46] <cblack0> now when I click on OS I see MANY interfaces, which is what I wanted
[04-Apr-2007 21:26:12] <WolfeWL2> Do you see a line that says "2007-04-05 01:25:42INFO zen.ApplyDataMapprocessing interfaces for device <DEVICENAME>"?
[04-Apr-2007 21:26:23] <cblack0> sorry, I clicked off already
[04-Apr-2007 21:26:35] <WolfeWL2> If you don't then it wasn't able to grab the interfaces.
[04-Apr-2007 21:26:52] <cblack0> it pretty clearly grabbed interfaces, shows a bunch in OS
[04-Apr-2007 21:27:57] <WolfeWL2> OK. That's good.
[04-Apr-2007 21:28:02] <WolfeWL2> Those weren't there before right?
[04-Apr-2007 21:28:09] <cblack0> now I just have to wait until it pulls some info
[04-Apr-2007 21:28:14] <cblack0> correct, they were not there before
[04-Apr-2007 21:28:18] <cblack0> frustratingly...
[04-Apr-2007 21:29:06] <cblack0> what do the "O" and "A" columns with red and green icons mean in the OS interfaces list?
[04-Apr-2007 21:29:12] <WolfeWL2> Operational vs. Active.
[04-Apr-2007 21:29:21] <cblack0> gotcha, thanks
[04-Apr-2007 21:29:34] <WolfeWL2> Er operational vs. administrative.
[04-Apr-2007 21:29:38] <cblack0> so, how do I get this to work right when I have the device in /Network/Switches?
[04-Apr-2007 21:29:59] <WolfeWL2> So operational is whether its up or down from a link-level. Administrative is whether you've got the port activated in the software.
[04-Apr-2007 21:30:07] <WolfeWL2> Should work just fine there.
[04-Apr-2007 21:30:11] <WolfeWL2> There's no difference.
[04-Apr-2007 21:30:33] <cblack0> but it did not work ok when I added it to /Network/Switches, it didn't find any interfaces, which was my initial problem
[04-Apr-2007 21:31:27] <WolfeWL2> Not sure what the problem is there.
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[04-Apr-2007 21:31:40] <WolfeWL2> Its worked properly for us in every Device class path.
[04-Apr-2007 21:31:43] <cblack0> I think my problem is the ethernetCsmacd was not in the /Devices/Network/Switches or something
[04-Apr-2007 21:31:51] <WolfeWL2> It doesn't have to be.
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:10] <WolfeWL2> If its in /Devices and isn't explicitly defined in a sub-class then its inherited.
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:23] <WolfeWL2> The template won't keep you from finding interfaces.
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:31] <cblack0> ah, but it is NOT in /Devices, devices only had the basic device w/ uptime
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:37] <WolfeWL2> Just mean you won't have any interesting info on the interfaces if you don't have the template.
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:45] <WolfeWL2> That might be an issue.
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:51] <WolfeWL2> Did you install this stock?
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:51] <cblack0> wait, scratch that
[04-Apr-2007 21:32:55] <cblack0> yep
[04-Apr-2007 21:33:13] <cblack0> if I go to /Devices, PerfConf I see the ethernetCsmacd ethenet if template
[04-Apr-2007 21:33:30] <cblack0> so I have no idea why the interfaces were not found when I added to /Network/Switches
[04-Apr-2007 21:33:39] <cblack0> maybe bc it took to long to scan or something and I needed to rescan?
[04-Apr-2007 21:33:44] <WolfeWL2> The reason they wouldn't be found is that the scan didn't find them.
[04-Apr-2007 21:33:46] <WolfeWL2> Yeah.
[04-Apr-2007 21:33:47] <WolfeWL2> Try it.
[04-Apr-2007 21:34:02] <cblack0> I'm going to remove and re-add to /Network/Devices
[04-Apr-2007 21:34:07] <cblack0> er, /Network/Switches
[04-Apr-2007 21:34:11] <WolfeWL2> The template simply tells Zenoss what to graph for an object type...it doesn't prevent that objectype from being discovered.
[04-Apr-2007 21:34:14] <WolfeWL2> OK.
[04-Apr-2007 21:34:34] <WolfeWL2> Someone smarter than me should correct me if I"m wrong.
[04-Apr-2007 21:35:03] <cblack0> I'll have to read up on this template situation in the giant 100 page pdf
[04-Apr-2007 21:35:33] <WolfeWL2> Good luck. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:35:38] <WolfeWL2> Its not terribly helpful.
[04-Apr-2007 21:35:47] <WolfeWL2> Except to explain the parts of a template.
[04-Apr-2007 21:36:09] <WolfeWL2> The thing to keep in mind is that everything in Zenoss is an object, from the device, to the interfaces, to processes, to services.
[04-Apr-2007 21:36:21] <cblack0> good old OOP Python, eh?
[04-Apr-2007 21:36:36] <WolfeWL2> And as an object it has an object type (i.e. "Device", "EthernetCsmacd" etc).
[04-Apr-2007 21:36:44] <WolfeWL2> Worse. Zope.
[04-Apr-2007 21:37:06] <WolfeWL2> Think Java beans in Python.
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[04-Apr-2007 21:38:04] <WolfeWL2> The way Zenoss uses templates is by matching the object type to a template with the name of the object type.
[04-Apr-2007 21:38:09] <bzed> like tomcat with a serious programming language and on dope
[04-Apr-2007 21:38:11] <cblack0> didn't show interfaces on first add, then went to manage, "Collect Configuration" and got a ton of output, now I have interfaces
[04-Apr-2007 21:38:26] <WolfeWL2> Very cool. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:38:29] * cblack0 likes Java
[04-Apr-2007 21:38:31] <cblack0> and dope.
[04-Apr-2007 21:39:09] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Yeah. We use Zope 2 a lot here. Nice framework....lots of cumbersome stuff though.
[04-Apr-2007 21:39:13] <cblack0> so it seems the process is that you have to do that collect configuration step for it to scan snmp for interfaces
[04-Apr-2007 21:39:28] <WolfeWL2> You shouldn't have to...but then again...
[04-Apr-2007 21:39:32] <WolfeWL2> In our environment we don't have to.
[04-Apr-2007 21:40:07] <bzed> WolfeWL2: what I've seen so far looks very nice. except a messed up DAteTime class in 2.9.6
[04-Apr-2007 21:40:11] <WolfeWL2> "Collect Config" just fires of the "Add Device" modeling sequence again.
[04-Apr-2007 21:40:22] <WolfeWL2> If you don't have any Z2 code skip it. Go to Z3.
[04-Apr-2007 21:40:28] <WolfeWL2> Fixes a lot of the awkardness.
[04-Apr-2007 21:40:48] <cblack0> so then if I have some sort of aggregate bandwidth or other specific snmp string I want to view in zenoss, where do I go to handle that?
[04-Apr-2007 21:40:55] <cblack0> I need to make a new template of some sort, right?
[04-Apr-2007 21:41:02] <WolfeWL2> Its really difficult to leverage Python libraries in Z2, because of the security model. You end up writing external methods all over the place.
[04-Apr-2007 21:41:06] <bzed> WolfeWL2: I'm packaging zenoss for debian and need plone... so... I have to stick with 2.9 for a wwhile
[04-Apr-2007 21:41:15] <WolfeWL2> Ah.
[04-Apr-2007 21:41:50] <WolfeWL2> Z3 might as well have a completely different name. We're moving from Z2 to Django for our apps.
[04-Apr-2007 21:42:21] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Not really. Just extend the Device template in /Network/Switch.
[04-Apr-2007 21:42:36] <WolfeWL2> Aggregate stats should be added to the Device template.
[04-Apr-2007 21:43:06] <WolfeWL2> If you create new template called Device in /Network/Switch then your template will only be used for switches in that path.
[04-Apr-2007 21:43:06] <cblack0> I want to create a template for all our switches of this type I think... and do that by extending /Network/Switch
[04-Apr-2007 21:43:20] <WolfeWL2> Exactly. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:43:38] <cblack0> that is what I want, to have a template that is only used for stuff in /Network/Switch (and is used automatically for anything added in that path)
[04-Apr-2007 21:43:51] <bzed> WolfeWL2: yeah, django is create, but I didn't want to start coding for nothing, as I'm sponsoring the plone site for a non-commercial organisation
[04-Apr-2007 21:43:57] <WolfeWL2> It would be really nice if it would inherit at the template property level instead of at the template level. That way you could put common properties in the root Device template rather than having to duplicate them everytime you override the template.
[04-Apr-2007 21:44:46] <cblack0> ok, I think I get this... I am in /Devices/Network/Switch, I go to PerfConf and click Add, correct?
[04-Apr-2007 21:44:48] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Sorry, I misunderstood the discussion originally. Thought you had a web you'd designed. If you're using Plone, then they get to do all the dirty work. ;-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:44:58] <WolfeWL2> Yup. Name the template Device.
[04-Apr-2007 21:45:02] <cblack0> what about things I want to monitor but don't lend themselves to graphing/perf, like statis
[04-Apr-2007 21:45:33] <WolfeWL2> You can add them as DataSources, then instead of adding a Graph, add a Threshold that uses the DataSource.
[04-Apr-2007 21:46:01] <bzed> WolfeWL2: no, if I'd desgn something I'd probably stick with Mako
[04-Apr-2007 21:46:22] <cblack0> ok, I did an add, now I have Name=Device, Definition path /Devices/Network/Switch (did I really want to name it Device? what did that do for me? default device only had uptime anyway)
[04-Apr-2007 21:48:18] <WolfeWL2> Because the device is of object type Device. So you need to name the template the same for it to be used. Also, by naming it Device you overrode the Device template at /Devices.
[04-Apr-2007 21:48:31] <WolfeWL2> Add your DataSources to your new template.
[04-Apr-2007 21:48:53] <cblack0> but only for stuff in /Devices/Network/Switch/*, I am getting close to wrapping my head around this madness I think
[04-Apr-2007 21:49:00] <WolfeWL2> Yup.
[04-Apr-2007 21:49:17] <WolfeWL2> Objects in /Devices/Network/Switch of type Device will use your new template named Device.
[04-Apr-2007 21:49:42] <cblack0> got it. are there objects of type something OTHER than Device that you add to monitor?
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[04-Apr-2007 21:50:28] <WolfeWL2> Well the interfaces on your switch are of type EthernetCsmacd.
[04-Apr-2007 21:50:47] <WolfeWL2> So if you edit or override that template you can change what's graphed for interfaces individually.
[04-Apr-2007 21:50:53] <cblack0> gotcha, Device is the root/parent for anything you add
[04-Apr-2007 21:51:16] <WolfeWL2> Device is the object type for devices (i.e. anything with a power supply).
[04-Apr-2007 21:51:42] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Do you have any experience making Nagios plugins work with Zenoss?
[04-Apr-2007 21:52:30] <cblack0> our admin did it, I have no idea how tho. I saw a bit in the wiki about it however
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[04-Apr-2007 21:52:35] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Individual processes on your server are of type OSProcess.
[04-Apr-2007 21:52:55] <WolfeWL2> I've added them, but I can't figure out if its working properly.
[04-Apr-2007 21:53:00] <WolfeWL2> Trying to port our Nagios installation.
[04-Apr-2007 21:53:19] <WolfeWL2> For one thing I have no idea if Zenoss understands the difference between warn and critical from a Nagios plugin.
[04-Apr-2007 21:53:43] <bzed> WolfeWL2: no, not yet. except a very fast look into the demo and a *i want that in production at work* I didn't do anythign with it. and I've packaged dependencies only unti yet... so I still don't know much about it
[04-Apr-2007 21:54:02] <WolfeWL2> bzed: OK. Thanks. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:54:54] <WolfeWL2> For another thing I'd like to know how to RegEx the output of a Nagios plugin so you can graph for example the latency of a ping check.
[04-Apr-2007 21:54:55] <bzed> WolfeWL2: I hope that the warn/critical stuff works, though.
[04-Apr-2007 21:55:04] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Me too. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:55:22] <cblack0> did you see http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate?
[04-Apr-2007 21:55:22] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToNagiosCreateTemplate - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[04-Apr-2007 21:55:24] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Yeah...
[04-Apr-2007 21:55:33] <WolfeWL2> I created one. It hasn't errored. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 21:55:44] <cblack0> hehe
[04-Apr-2007 21:55:46] <WolfeWL2> But it doesn't have a Green/Red status for it like Nagios so I can see what the damn output is.
[04-Apr-2007 21:56:10] * WolfeWL2 doesn't trust what he can't verify.
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[04-Apr-2007 21:58:34] <cblack0> thanks for the help WolfeWL2, I have graphs of individual interfaces now
[04-Apr-2007 21:58:39] <cblack0> woot I suppose
[04-Apr-2007 21:58:40] <WolfeWL2> At this point for us at least, its a far superior replacement for Cacti.
[04-Apr-2007 21:58:55] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: No problem! Someone helped me figure out templates.
[04-Apr-2007 21:59:06] <cblack0> seems like the key is clicking Collect Information after adding
[04-Apr-2007 21:59:10] <WolfeWL2> It was a little easier for us coming from a Zope background to understand the inheritance part.
[04-Apr-2007 21:59:21] <WolfeWL2> For your environment it sounds like it.
[04-Apr-2007 21:59:23] <WolfeWL2> What are the switches?
[04-Apr-2007 21:59:49] <cblack0> dell powerconnect
[04-Apr-2007 21:59:58] <cblack0> I will be adding some brocade FC stuff soont oo
[04-Apr-2007 22:00:02] <cblack0> er, "soon too"
[04-Apr-2007 22:00:10] <WolfeWL2> Might be something strange about the Dells.
[04-Apr-2007 22:00:20] <cblack0> I wouldn't be super surprised by that
[04-Apr-2007 22:00:24] <WolfeWL2> Me either. ;-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:01:02] <WolfeWL2> One thing that would be really nice is the ability to pre-define DataSources separately and then import them into your templates.
[04-Apr-2007 22:01:11] <cblack0> great switches for the price tho. SNMP, SSH, Web, vlan, 802.1x, trunking, etc for 24 10/100s w/ dual GigE uplinks for like $400
[04-Apr-2007 22:01:22] <WolfeWL2> Particularly, given the way the inheritance works.
[04-Apr-2007 22:01:26] <WolfeWL2> That's not bad at all.
[04-Apr-2007 22:01:44] <cblack0> yep, even the PoE doesn't add that much
[04-Apr-2007 22:01:49] <WolfeWL2> We've had good luck with Foundry so we tend to be religious about it. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:02:03] <WolfeWL2> We looked at some Dells for dev...you guys has good reliability?
[04-Apr-2007 22:02:13] <cblack0> no problems so far after about a year on 8 switches
[04-Apr-2007 22:02:21] <cblack0> they also have a cool way to do redundant power supplies
[04-Apr-2007 22:02:22] <bzed> cblack0: for cheap switches I'd still prefer HP, though.
[04-Apr-2007 22:02:42] <cblack0> you can get this little 48V PS that can be a redundant PS for like 3-4 switches in 1U
[04-Apr-2007 22:02:48] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Oh Lord...hush! :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:18] <WolfeWL2> I've got a 5300xl I have to keep the devs from pitchforking.
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:21] <cblack0> WolfeWL2, we also have a few of their full GigE switches, one of them as our iscsi switch and it is doing great
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:24] <WolfeWL2> Damn things is bizarre.
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:36] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: That's pretty impressive. Hows the latency for iSCSI?
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:45] <cblack0> WolfeWL2, "it depends"
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:50] <WolfeWL2> LOL.
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:53] <WolfeWL2> Jumbo packets?
[04-Apr-2007 22:03:56] <cblack0> WolfeWL2, yep
[04-Apr-2007 22:04:22] <WolfeWL2> That's pretty nice for the price.
[04-Apr-2007 22:04:48] <cblack0> WolfeWL2, we have a fileserver that moved from a local 3ware to boot-from-iscsi using a qlogic hba over the dell to a brocade iscsi gw and the perf definitely improved
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:01] <WolfeWL2> Impressive.
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:05] <cblack0> I haven't done too much with full software iscsi
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:17] <WolfeWL2> The iSCSI initiator in Windows and Solaris isn't bad.
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:22] <cblack0> my guess "at least faster than a single local disk"
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:24] <WolfeWL2> I think the Linux one is a lot better now.
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:36] <cblack0> linux one has forked and changed so much it is hard to keep track of
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:36] <WolfeWL2> :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:05:46] <bzed> WolfeWL2:
better than dell. and they have a great support. we've got all broken parts replaced for free and really fast. and the stuff works[04-Apr-2007 22:05:51] <WolfeWL2> The Solaris target's getting pretty good too.
[04-Apr-2007 22:06:31] <bzed> the linux iscsi target is supposed to be pretty stable
[04-Apr-2007 22:06:34] <WolfeWL2> bzed: You're absolutely right there. We get a lot of strange things like auto-negotiate and Auto-MDIX issues. Also, SSH connections through the HP get terminated after a few hours.
[04-Apr-2007 22:06:39] <bzed> I'm waiting for a stable FC target, though
[04-Apr-2007 22:06:55] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Let me know when that happens. :-) I'd love it.
[04-Apr-2007 22:07:15] <bzed> WolfeWL2: that;s weird. I'm connecting torugh a HP switch to all servers when I'm at work and never ahd any trouble
[04-Apr-2007 22:07:35] <WolfeWL2> Actually, we're moving to SunFire X4500s running ZFS, NFS and iSCSI target (Solaris 10) for our storage servers.
[04-Apr-2007 22:07:46] <bzed> WolfeWL2: there were some old apple notebooks having problems with the auto-neg, though
[04-Apr-2007 22:07:46] <WolfeWL2> bzed: What switch types?
[04-Apr-2007 22:07:56] <cblack0> 24 managed GigE ports for $800 is hard to beat tho
[04-Apr-2007 22:08:08] <WolfeWL2> bzed: We connect the systems to an old 3Com or one of the newer (or older) Foundries and it just works.
[04-Apr-2007 22:08:21] <bzed> WolfeWL2: 2624 or something liek that.
[04-Apr-2007 22:08:25] <cblack0> WolfeWL2, is the X4500 the one with like 48 internal drives?
[04-Apr-2007 22:08:25] <cblack0> "the stomper" or something like that?
[04-Apr-2007 22:08:27] <WolfeWL2> Ah. That's a newer model.
[04-Apr-2007 22:08:33] <WolfeWL2> Yeah. The Thumper. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:08:40] <WolfeWL2> $25K for 24TB.
[04-Apr-2007 22:09:02] <WolfeWL2> Got a quote from NetApp for 21TB for $237K...that's just not happening.
[04-Apr-2007 22:09:07] <cblack0> nice. My question when I looked at those was "how do you access the drives if they come out the top?"
[04-Apr-2007 22:09:13] <bzed> we got a x4200 one month ago. REALLY nice hardware
[04-Apr-2007 22:09:36] <bzed> solid like a rock
[04-Apr-2007 22:09:37] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Its got a cable management arm...just need to make sure it used.
[04-Apr-2007 22:09:45] <WolfeWL2> bzed: What'd y'all use it for?
[04-Apr-2007 22:09:59] <bzed> but we still have such stupid buggy EMC storage :\
[04-Apr-2007 22:10:09] <cblack0> ah, so you just pull it forward on rails to get to the disks thru the top, makes sense
[04-Apr-2007 22:10:11] <WolfeWL2> The SunFire X4x00 kit is slick as hell. The inside is just gorgeous.
[04-Apr-2007 22:10:20] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Yeah. Some folks get skittish about that.
[04-Apr-2007 22:10:38] <cblack0> on sun's site the x4500 says it starts at like 60k
[04-Apr-2007 22:10:57] <bzed> WolfeWL2: the sun.. mainly as webserver, running a huge image database as part of aproject of a lot of universities
[04-Apr-2007 22:11:16] <WolfeWL2> I know Joyent is set up using X4500s, where a server iSCSI mounts 4 volumes off 4 different X4500s running the iSCSI target.
[04-Apr-2007 22:11:41] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Yeah...that's list. They're selling them for about $30-40K normally, and $25K if you qualify for startup essentials.
[04-Apr-2007 22:12:20] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Is the site public?
[04-Apr-2007 22:12:30] <cblack0> how is the manageability of that solution in terms of ease of adding LUNs for someone who isn't a ZFS/Solaris pro?
[04-Apr-2007 22:12:31] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Is that the plone server?
[04-Apr-2007 22:12:33] <bzed> and 2 for the price of one if you're auniversity and have an interesting project to run on it
[04-Apr-2007 22:12:37] <bzed> WolfeWL2: no
[04-Apr-2007 22:12:52] <bzed> WolfeWL2: it's a weird php app :|
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:00] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Its a lot easier than dealing with LVM strangeness.
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:02] <cblack0> we ended up going with pillar data for our san and are very happy, but the price per TB is way more than the suns
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:20] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: I'm sorry you have to deal with those slime balls.
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:28] <cblack0> WolfeWL2, which slime balls?
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:30] <cblack0> pillar?
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:31] <WolfeWL2> Pillar.
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:34] <cblack0> they've been great for us
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:38] <cblack0> what problems did you have?
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:39] <WolfeWL2> We got really close to closing a deal with them.
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:46] <WolfeWL2> About a year ago.
[04-Apr-2007 22:13:59] <WolfeWL2> Erm...welll lets say we wanted non-disruptive code load.
[04-Apr-2007 22:14:10] <WolfeWL2> And they said they'd have it in May (this was March).
[04-Apr-2007 22:14:37] <cblack0> non-disruptive sw updates? yeah, they did not have it until somewhat recently (definitely less than a year ago)
[04-Apr-2007 22:14:40] <WolfeWL2> The deal they wanted to do was give us 2 Axioms for 90 days on the idea it would be availalble.
[04-Apr-2007 22:14:59] <WolfeWL2> And in 90 days if we kept the second Axiom we had to pay for it.
[04-Apr-2007 22:15:11] <WolfeWL2> We said...no....you'll loan us the second Axiom until this feature is available.
[04-Apr-2007 22:15:24] <WolfeWL2> And they said trust us...and screw you...90 days.
[04-Apr-2007 22:16:12] <WolfeWL2> We went with Sun/STK instead. And low and behold May came and Pillar didn't have it.
[04-Apr-2007 22:16:52] <cblack0> overall we are really pleased w/ the axiom, the software is fantastic (and easy enough one of our idiot admins who is uncomfortable on the cmdline can handle)
[04-Apr-2007 22:16:58] <WolfeWL2> Also, they promised 6 month terms too...until the last week when it came to sign the deal. Wouldn't put it on the quote but kept saying just sign.
[04-Apr-2007 22:17:23] <cblack0> that sounds like a pretty crappy sales situation
[04-Apr-2007 22:17:32] <WolfeWL2> All in all not a good experience for us. Trying to close that deal felt like being a turkey over a log.
[04-Apr-2007 22:17:49] <cblack0> we have pretty good sales/service from them. We just upgraded and added more to our axiom this week
[04-Apr-2007 22:17:57] <WolfeWL2> Yeah. Our sales guys were great. But they weren't getting backed up by HQ.
[04-Apr-2007 22:18:08] <WolfeWL2> I'm glad it worked out for you though.
[04-Apr-2007 22:18:21] <WolfeWL2> We talked to Plaxo too before we bought and didn't like thei ssue they had.
[04-Apr-2007 22:18:42] <bzed> always the same when you talk to the peopel who want to sell you stuff. same for the fujitsu-siemens manager who "takes care" of us. a dumbfuck talkign more bullshit then you can imaging. thanks to sun's new opteron servers I'll luckily never see that guy again
[04-Apr-2007 22:18:54] <cblack0> the service we've had has been great, and it is really nice being able to do upgrades and such w/o paying for "professional services" to come in and hook up cables
[04-Apr-2007 22:19:18] <WolfeWL2> Like random MySQL corruption caused by the fact that the Slammer would lose an I/O (not ack it) and Linux's braindead SCSI implementation won't retry SCSI IOs.
[04-Apr-2007 22:19:28] <cblack0> whoa, not good
[04-Apr-2007 22:19:30] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: That's something we really liked upfront.
[04-Apr-2007 22:19:51] <WolfeWL2> bzed: ROFLMAO
[04-Apr-2007 22:19:54] <cblack0> plus their tiered/QoS is really nice (and actually works)
[04-Apr-2007 22:20:01] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Fujitsu SPARC stuff?
[04-Apr-2007 22:20:08] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: That's nice to hear.
[04-Apr-2007 22:20:29] <WolfeWL2> Outside of the X2100 Sun makes really nice kit.
[04-Apr-2007 22:21:12] <bzed> not to forget that the support from siemens here SUCKS ASS. there's no other word for it. if it happens that you get a really good technician, he has to bring material from his home if he wants to test if a controller or a disk driver or whatever is broken. because if you call them and say: there's a read LED lightning on the HDD, they'll send one with a new hdd, even when the controller si broken
[04-Apr-2007 22:21:25] <cblack0> if I were setting up a new company I'd be tempted to be a hybrid Sun/Apple shop
[04-Apr-2007 22:21:34] <bzed> WolfeWL2: no, intel stuff
[04-Apr-2007 22:21:36] <WolfeWL2> bzed: You're kidding? Where are you?
[04-Apr-2007 22:21:41] <bzed> WolfeWL2: germany
[04-Apr-2007 22:21:46] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Ah....
[04-Apr-2007 22:21:58] <cblack0> I thought siemens was better in EU areas...
[04-Apr-2007 22:22:06] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Yeah...skip Apple while you're at it. We had issues with them too....
[04-Apr-2007 22:22:22] <WolfeWL2> Crappy support. Crappier storage arrays.
[04-Apr-2007 22:22:43] <cblack0> WolfeWL2: not even considering them on server side, just theoretically for desktops if I were to do a new company from the ground up
[04-Apr-2007 22:22:48] <WolfeWL2> Either that or we're just gifted at breaking stuff.
[04-Apr-2007 22:23:23] <bzed> http://c9c3.blogspot.com/2007/04/apple-computers.html << why not apple...
[04-Apr-2007 22:23:23] <adytum-bot> Title: jf: Apple Computers (at c9c3.blogspot.com)
[04-Apr-2007 22:23:35] <WolfeWL2> Jerks wanted $200 up front just to determine if the problem was theirs...the warranty wasn't even up.
[04-Apr-2007 22:23:45] <cblack0> adytum-bot, thanks, that was highly useful (not)
[04-Apr-2007 22:23:45] <adytum-bot> cblack0: Error: 'thanks,' is not a valid command.
[04-Apr-2007 22:24:35] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Good article.
[04-Apr-2007 22:25:23] <WolfeWL2> So one day we walk back and the Xserve RAID is screaming its head off with a dead drive. Hmm...that's odd its supposed to e-mail us...
[04-Apr-2007 22:25:41] <WolfeWL2> Try the admin interface...dead as a doornail...thank the Lord the FC side was still passing traffic.
[04-Apr-2007 22:25:49] <WolfeWL2> Call Apple...solution...reboot the array.
[04-Apr-2007 22:25:54] <bzed> LOL
[04-Apr-2007 22:26:11] <WolfeWL2> So yeah...that pretty much nixed its use in Production after that.
[04-Apr-2007 22:27:07] <WolfeWL2> Oh yeah...and LUN masking was historically so bad (it would leak and occaisionally crash the array) that they finally removed it from the most recent firmware 6 months ago.
[04-Apr-2007 22:27:36] <WolfeWL2> The one unit we bought is now an overblown DAS tray to a filer.
[04-Apr-2007 22:27:39] <bzed> WolfeWL2: bnefore our EMC piece was replaced completely we had such nice things that a dying drive interrupted the whole FC bus.... and a lot of other pretty bad failures, including 5 dirty cache flags
[04-Apr-2007 22:27:59] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Holy crap! You're kidding?
[04-Apr-2007 22:28:03] <bzed> no
[04-Apr-2007 22:28:16] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Wow. Was it a single FC loop to the drives?
[04-Apr-2007 22:28:40] <bzed> WolfeWL2: and one SP thinking that the other SP was dead becuase he was failing on it's own.... and then restarting the last working SP
[04-Apr-2007 22:29:00] <WolfeWL2> Oh my Lord.
[04-Apr-2007 22:29:10] <WolfeWL2> Did y'all lose your mind?
[04-Apr-2007 22:29:52] <WolfeWL2> We're moving to the X4500s because we just don't trust arrays anymore.
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:00] <bzed> unfortunately it was a siemens labled box
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:05] <bzed> so we had support from siemens...
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:08] <WolfeWL2> Oh crap....
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:13] <bzed> and they have no damn clue
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:20] <WolfeWL2> Clariion or Symmetrix?
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:26] <WolfeWL2> Did EMC come out at all?
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:37] <bzed> well.. the end was that we told them that we either get a brand new shiny one, with support directly from EMC, or the money back
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:42] <bzed> clariion
[04-Apr-2007 22:30:57] <WolfeWL2> It seems a lot of people bitch about the Clariions.
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:12] <bzed> the buggy thing was a cx-400, now we have a cx500, seems to be more stable than the cx300
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:15] <bzed> err 400
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:27] <WolfeWL2> bzed: Y'all must have pretty good clout to pull that.
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:34] <WolfeWL2> Geez...the new architecture?
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:40] <bzed> there's an ax100 or so from them... I know a guy who's trying to install linux on it, becuase the EMC stuff sucks
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:47] <WolfeWL2> ROFL.
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:57] <cblack0> whoa, that fw info is interesting
[04-Apr-2007 22:31:59] <bzed> it's jsut standard PC hardware
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:01] <cblack0> reading that apple article
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:05] <bzed> hehe
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:14] <cblack0> I'm still buying a macbook pro tho
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:15] <WolfeWL2> We've been really happy with ZFS.
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:21] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Me too. ;-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:24] <bzed> i can imagine
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:46] <bzed> we sent back about 40 of 50 macbook pros of the first series
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:50] <WolfeWL2> Not that ZFS doesn't have a couple of braindead design decisions...but they fix it fast in Solaris Express.
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:56] <bzed> but the recent ones work well
[04-Apr-2007 22:32:58] <WolfeWL2> bzed: How are the newer ones?
[04-Apr-2007 22:33:05] <WolfeWL2> Do they run cooler?
[04-Apr-2007 22:33:27] <bzed> not any problem so far... imho still pretty hot
[04-Apr-2007 22:33:37] <bzed> I'd not like to have one on my lap in summer
[04-Apr-2007 22:33:39] <WolfeWL2> ZFS by defaul will occupy RAM - 1GB for caching.
[04-Apr-2007 22:33:40] <cblack0> ax100 is a pretty slow box I've heard
[04-Apr-2007 22:33:42] <WolfeWL2> ROFL.
[04-Apr-2007 22:34:06] <bzed> cblack0: you don't want to read the perl code which is working on the embedded XP on that box
[04-Apr-2007 22:34:07] <WolfeWL2> MySQL really didn't like that.
[04-Apr-2007 22:34:13] <WolfeWL2> ROFL.
[04-Apr-2007 22:34:30] <WolfeWL2> Its not running the Clariion OS?
[04-Apr-2007 22:34:42] <bzed> there's no clariion os
[04-Apr-2007 22:34:45] <bzed> not afaik
[04-Apr-2007 22:35:00] <WolfeWL2> Oh what's it called...FLARE or something.
[04-Apr-2007 22:35:24] <bzed> there's win NT on the cx up to the 400, and starting with the cx500 there's win xp embedded working on them
[04-Apr-2007 22:35:36] <bzed> oh, you usually don't get a view on the windows stuff
[04-Apr-2007 22:35:47] <bzed> it's all navisphere and stuff
[04-Apr-2007 22:36:33] <bzed> but there's a remote desktop tool for the NT boxes, and afaik you can use rdesktop to connect to the winXP versions.
[04-Apr-2007 22:36:47] <bzed> and the passwords are in the net, just google
[04-Apr-2007 22:36:48] <WolfeWL2> "The CLARiiON Microcode called FLARE provides all the underlying data availability, reliability and advanced functionality of the CLARiiON system."
[04-Apr-2007 22:36:57] <WolfeWL2> I think that's pre-CX though.
[04-Apr-2007 22:37:22] <bzed> could be
[04-Apr-2007 22:37:43] <bzed> but the CX stuff is still using flare in every second word
[04-Apr-2007 22:37:48] <WolfeWL2> The Engenio stuff has been pretty good to us.
[04-Apr-2007 22:37:53] <WolfeWL2> Hmm...interesting.
[04-Apr-2007 22:38:38] <WolfeWL2> There's some interesting things coming out of Sun in the next 6 months you should keep an eye on. ;-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:38:38] <cblack0> embedded xp? oh man...
[04-Apr-2007 22:38:39] <bzed> if you can get the first or second HD of a CX and dump and mount it
[04-Apr-2007 22:38:46] <cblack0> later all
[04-Apr-2007 22:38:54] <WolfeWL2> cblack0: Later man. Good luck.
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[04-Apr-2007 22:39:25] <bzed> what's coming out of sun then?
[04-Apr-2007 22:39:37] <WolfeWL2> bzed: I wish I could say. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:39:42] <WolfeWL2> We're testing some of it.
[04-Apr-2007 22:39:46] <WolfeWL2> Under NDA.
[04-Apr-2007 22:39:49] <bzed> ah ok
[04-Apr-2007 22:40:14] <WolfeWL2> You'll like it. I promise. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:40:22] <bzed> sounds good
[04-Apr-2007 22:40:33] <WolfeWL2> Until then...Solaris on X4500s makes a pretty nice platform.
[04-Apr-2007 22:40:40] <bzed> I can imagine
[04-Apr-2007 22:40:56] <WolfeWL2> Bloody fast as hell.
[04-Apr-2007 22:41:06] <WolfeWL2> Just buy it for the spindle count and you'll be happy.
[04-Apr-2007 22:41:08] <bzed> I need to test our new cx500...
[04-Apr-2007 22:41:37] <WolfeWL2> Think of it as a storage array with two dual-core 2.6GHz Opterons as a controller.
[04-Apr-2007 22:41:54] <bzed> we got a 5TB shelf extra for not much money... because they wated to make up for their bad support
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:00] <WolfeWL2> That's more horsepower than most NetApps.
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:04] <bzed> yeah
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:13] <bzed> and more than this EMC stuff
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:18] <WolfeWL2> bzed: What's EMC consider not much money?
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:33] <bzed> 5000 EUR for 5TB sata
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:42] <WolfeWL2> That's a terrific deal.
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:48] <bzed> normally you pay 1000 EUR per drive
[04-Apr-2007 22:42:56] <WolfeWL2> Sounds about right.
[04-Apr-2007 22:43:01] <WolfeWL2> 500GB drives?
[04-Apr-2007 22:43:04] <bzed> yeah
[04-Apr-2007 22:43:22] <bzed> i think 15 of them
[04-Apr-2007 22:43:24] <bzed> or 14
[04-Apr-2007 22:43:37] <WolfeWL2> You did damn well... :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:43:51] <WolfeWL2> Too much magic in storage arrays it seems to me.
[04-Apr-2007 22:43:59] <bzed> we had a not useable system for 3 years
[04-Apr-2007 22:44:07] <WolfeWL2> Excuse me?
[04-Apr-2007 22:44:29] <bzed> yeah, it took them 3 years from the first bad crash until we had a new machine
[04-Apr-2007 22:44:41] <bzed> we had replaced that shit by some good scsi stuff in the meantime
[04-Apr-2007 22:44:42] <WolfeWL2> Geez...
[04-Apr-2007 22:44:59] <WolfeWL2> You're a much better man than me.
[04-Apr-2007 22:45:46] <WolfeWL2> Though we haven't like the price very much, I can say the STK/Engenio arrays have been damn solid, and STK support has been amazing.
[04-Apr-2007 22:46:09] <bzed> sounds good
[04-Apr-2007 22:46:19] <WolfeWL2> But again...magic... ;-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:46:25] <bzed> I have no problem with a bit more expensive hardware if the support is good
[04-Apr-2007 22:46:41] <WolfeWL2> I hear NetApp is very good for support.
[04-Apr-2007 22:46:56] <WolfeWL2> We had them in here a few weeks ago. They've got damn nice kit for the $$$.
[04-Apr-2007 22:48:11] <bzed> I don't like to have samba and co on such a beast, I prefer to build the samba from source to configure it exactly how I need it
[04-Apr-2007 22:48:41] <WolfeWL2> You mean NetApp?
[04-Apr-2007 22:49:12] <WolfeWL2> They're implementation is a lot better than Samba...mainly because they're the only company with codeshare from MS. Its not reverse engineered.
[04-Apr-2007 22:49:51] <bzed> ah ok, didn't know that
[04-Apr-2007 22:50:09] <bzed> so probably they got the code, shook their heads and rewrote it
[04-Apr-2007 22:51:28] <WolfeWL2> They have a perpetual code share agreement. That's why it works better than the other implementations..and why they support new MS features at the same time MS does.
[04-Apr-2007 22:51:32] <WolfeWL2> LOL.
[04-Apr-2007 22:52:10] <WolfeWL2> Apparently MS decided not to do anymore codeshares after NetApp...figuring out filers were actually a business.
[04-Apr-2007 22:52:28] <bzed> haha yeah
[04-Apr-2007 22:52:54] <bzed> wondering when they'll get their own filer out
[04-Apr-2007 22:53:08] <WolfeWL2> You don't consider Storage Server 2003 a filer? ;-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:53:13] <bzed> no
[04-Apr-2007 22:53:31] <bzed> well
[04-Apr-2007 22:54:27] <bzed> I was thinking more about a big 19" box
[04-Apr-2007 22:54:31] <bzed> without monitor
[04-Apr-2007 22:54:36] <WolfeWL2> LOL. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:54:48] <WolfeWL2> An Xbox 360 running Storage Server 2003? ;-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:54:54] <bzed> hahaah
[04-Apr-2007 22:55:05] <bzed> xbox 360 with linux runnign samba
[04-Apr-2007 22:55:14] <WolfeWL2> Touchez. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:56:01] <WolfeWL2> Anywho...I think I need to go home. Its been greatin talking with you.
[04-Apr-2007 22:56:08] <bzed> i find it funny that microsoft didn;t manage to make the xbox secure, linux runs on it, except you have a too recent kernel
[04-Apr-2007 22:56:18] <WolfeWL2> Hope you have a great night. :-)
[04-Apr-2007 22:56:22] <bzed> thanks, was great to talk with you, too
[04-Apr-2007 22:56:30] <bzed> I need to go to bed, though. 5am
[04-Apr-2007 22:56:40] <WolfeWL2> Ew..... Talk later man. :-)
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[05-Apr-2007 10:38:02] <shibby> is the community.zenoss.com server usually this slow? anyone else seeing some slowness on it?
[05-Apr-2007 10:44:23] <creiht> shibby: Hmmm... seems to load fast for me... is there a specific part that you are seeing slow?
[05-Apr-2007 10:45:15] <shibby> creiht, i think it's slowly improving...the FAQ page was taking a while
[05-Apr-2007 10:46:36] <shibby> it's improved from a few minutes ok
[05-Apr-2007 10:46:37] <shibby> thanks
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[05-Apr-2007 12:23:24] <ecrist> anyone available for a quick question?
[05-Apr-2007 12:25:13] <creiht> ecrist: Ask and you will find out
[05-Apr-2007 12:44:26] <ecrist> well, I'm trying to find a friendly link to the graph images in zenoss
[05-Apr-2007 12:44:39] <ecrist> to embed in another web page
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[05-Apr-2007 12:45:24] <tessier> Hello all!
[05-Apr-2007 12:45:56] <tessier> Question: Is Zenoss suitable for being used as a host database which can keep track of all of the hosts on our network and various host attributes that we might want to add?
[05-Apr-2007 12:50:04] <ecrist> tessier, I'm by no means authoritative, but we're in the process of implementing zenoss for that reason, amongst others.
[05-Apr-2007 12:58:51] <chet> tessier: You'd only be using a tiny fraction of what it can do, but yes. It can be used for that.
[05-Apr-2007 13:07:25] <jreese> man zenoss is badass
[05-Apr-2007 13:07:31] <jreese> just started playing with the xmlrpc api
[05-Apr-2007 13:07:34] <jreese> so slick
[05-Apr-2007 13:23:40] <jimmy-james> anyone have any hints about getting snmpd running? i am running the vmware image of zenoss and i am trying to add a device, the laptop i am running the vm on, and i have snmpd running on the machine, but when i add the device it tells me it cant find snmpd
[05-Apr-2007 13:25:09] <korozion> jimmy-james: most of the time snmp is configured on a machine to only accept connections from localhost
[05-Apr-2007 13:26:11] <jimmy-james> yeah ive never configured snmpd before so im just a little lost
[05-Apr-2007 13:26:37] <jimmy-james> i will dive into this config file
[05-Apr-2007 13:29:28] <tessier> chet: We intend to use all of the rest also
[05-Apr-2007 13:30:15] <tessier> ecrist: How easy is it to add other attributes to the hosts?
[05-Apr-2007 13:32:54] <tessier> ecrist: What if we want to write some custom code to take certain actions on our hosts? Can we just write a zope page template with the actions in it and some python code to implement the methods and integrate it with zenoss?
[05-Apr-2007 13:34:17] <chet> tessier: Taking actions is sort of vague. Zenoss already provides a mechanism to run commands on remote systems if that's what you're talking about.
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[05-Apr-2007 13:39:24] <tessier> chet: I mean things like calling out to services on other machines. We have some custom stuff coming up. Maybe XML-RPC or ReST or who knows what.
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[05-Apr-2007 15:12:02] <creiht> jimmy-james: You might want to check out: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[05-Apr-2007 15:12:02] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[05-Apr-2007 15:12:40] <creiht> tessier: While I don't think zenoss is specifically designed for that, I don't see why not.
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[05-Apr-2007 15:21:06] <jimmy-james> creiht: thanks for the link
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[05-Apr-2007 16:12:44] <densone> hey creiht hows it going today
[05-Apr-2007 16:13:44] <creiht> densone: Well... How are your zenoss trials going?
[05-Apr-2007 16:14:19] <ecrist> anyone know how I can get 'clean' links to thumbnails of my graphs?? something like what cacti offers?
[05-Apr-2007 16:14:50] <creiht> ecrist: You should be able to right click on the graph, and get the image location
[05-Apr-2007 16:15:06] <creiht> I do that to put graphs on our internal corporate wiki
[05-Apr-2007 16:16:30] <ecrist> I do, but our wiki, for example, doesn't recognize the link as an image, and doesn't display it correctly.
[05-Apr-2007 16:16:48] <ecrist> not only that, but it's a huge, nasty, ugly image.
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[05-Apr-2007 16:17:24] <densone1> things are going well ,, still cant igure out this alerting issue
[05-Apr-2007 16:18:39] <densone1> put a post out on the forum
[05-Apr-2007 16:18:47] <densone1> will see if I get a response there
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[05-Apr-2007 16:21:02] <creiht> ecrist: Hmmm... I had a similar problem at first. We use Confluence, and I had to use a tag to tell it to force it as an image
[05-Apr-2007 16:21:10] <creiht> It would think that it was something else instead
[05-Apr-2007 16:27:42] <densone1> I just figured out the problem
[05-Apr-2007 16:27:54] <densone1> looks like my mail server is rejecting the from address.
[05-Apr-2007 16:28:13] <densone1> creiht: any idea on how to set the mail address
[05-Apr-2007 16:30:44] <creiht> densone1: Interesting... not sure
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[05-Apr-2007 16:33:38] <creiht> densone1: Hmmm if you click on Settings in the left column
[05-Apr-2007 16:34:02] <creiht> well maybe not....
[05-Apr-2007 16:35:08] <creiht> densone1: What is the reason that it rejects the email?
[05-Apr-2007 16:44:03] <densone1> let me check my postfix logs
[05-Apr-2007 16:48:41] <densone1> nothing in postfix
[05-Apr-2007 16:49:04] <densone1> must be getting stuck in my hosted mail sever
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[05-Apr-2007 16:55:36] <terje> hi, I just installed the vm instance and I'd like to autodetect all the devices on my network using port scan, rather than snmp.
[05-Apr-2007 16:55:46] <terje> I can't figure out how to tell zendisc to do that.
[05-Apr-2007 16:56:50] <terje> using snmpwalk it finds a bunch of active devices but only creates profiles for the ones that are running some kind of snmpd
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[05-Apr-2007 17:01:29] <terje> I see that zendisc.py has the --collect option
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[05-Apr-2007 17:15:27] <terje> eh, I figured it out
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[06-Apr-2007 04:18:12] <Igbothom_3rd> is there some *decent* documentaiton on actually configuring zenwin somewhere - for example the zope passwords and so on as well as what the pre-service-configuration output is supposed to look like from that step in the readme doc for zenwin?
[06-Apr-2007 04:46:42] <Igbothom_3rd> (I have the passwords working but cannot tell from the output of the "python zenwin.py -C etc\zenwin.cfg" whether it is working as I see an MySQL error
[06-Apr-2007 04:48:24] <Igbothom_3rd> aha - seems to be a RAM issue in the VMWare guest - bumping it and seeing if this helps
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[06-Apr-2007 05:37:32] <ivoks> umm... am i the only one getting spamed by zenoss newsletter?
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[06-Apr-2007 08:13:37] <jp10558> Igbothom_3rd: I too have had middling success with ZenWin
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[06-Apr-2007 09:00:31] <Bulwinkle> I just posted a new problem I am having to the Forums... Anyone here that can help me with a problem adding Cisco 2811 routers?
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[06-Apr-2007 09:47:44] <Bulwinkle> is there any way I can prevent zenoss from downloading the routing tables from my routers by default?
[06-Apr-2007 09:52:00] <monrad> yes
[06-Apr-2007 09:52:23] <monrad> ah damn zenoss is not running for me right now
[06-Apr-2007 09:52:51] <monrad> but its something like, putting RouteMap in ignored ... in zproperties
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[06-Apr-2007 09:55:08] <_chris_> Bulwinkle: look in the zProperties for one
[06-Apr-2007 09:55:16] <_chris_> that's named something liek zCollectorIgnorePlugins
[06-Apr-2007 09:55:22] <_chris_> add in RouteMap
[06-Apr-2007 09:56:22] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: yeah found it... for routers I drilled down to /Device/Network/Router
[06-Apr-2007 09:56:28] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: thanks though!
[06-Apr-2007 09:57:01] <Bulwinkle> damn thing doesn't seem to be pulling in my device table for the 2811 router specifically
[06-Apr-2007 09:58:06] <jshadow> would someone be able to help me work out some issues graphing a custom snmp value in the perf tab?
[06-Apr-2007 09:59:13] <_chris_> jshadow: sure
[06-Apr-2007 09:59:53] <jshadow> basically I have several shell scripts exporting integers
[06-Apr-2007 10:00:03] <jshadow> and I see them when I snmpwalk from my zenoss server
[06-Apr-2007 10:00:22] <jshadow> but when I add them to perfconf and add a datapoint it doesn't graph
[06-Apr-2007 10:00:46] <_chris_> did you add a graph that uses those datapoints?
[06-Apr-2007 10:00:50] <jshadow> I did
[06-Apr-2007 10:01:12] <_chris_> are you collecting the datapoints using commands? or via snmp?
[06-Apr-2007 10:01:16] <jshadow> snmp
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[06-Apr-2007 10:01:30] <Bulwinkle> I found where to change the snmp version from 1 to 2 but it seem to break everything... should I be using 2c?
[06-Apr-2007 10:01:30] <_chris_> did you restart zenperfsnmp?
[06-Apr-2007 10:01:43] <jshadow> I did, but I'll do that again now
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:08] <ivoks> hi; i got 7 copies of the same Zenoss Newsletter today
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:18] <_chris_> other people are complaining about that too
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:25] <_chris_> apparently there is some problem with the mail server we use
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:29] <ivoks> yes
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:38] <_chris_> someone's looking at it
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:40] <_chris_> i know cause
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:45] <_chris_> i asked that someone to look at my VPN problem
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:46] <ivoks> ok, great
[06-Apr-2007 10:02:52] <_chris_> and he said email is the bigger fish to fry right now
[06-Apr-2007 10:03:11] <jshadow> I'm wondering if my setting for Format for the datapoint is wrong
[06-Apr-2007 10:03:21] <jshadow> should it just be %lf for an int?
[06-Apr-2007 10:04:37] <_chris_> try and run this on the zenoss box (as the zenoss user)
[06-Apr-2007 10:04:39] <_chris_> cd $ZENHOME/bin
[06-Apr-2007 10:04:51] <_chris_> ./zenperfsnmp run -v 10 -d <<your device with the PerfConf you modified>>
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[06-Apr-2007 10:09:16] <_chris_> ok sounds good
[06-Apr-2007 10:09:16] <_chris_> now try to look at the Perf tab
[06-Apr-2007 10:09:16] <_chris_> does your graph appear?
[06-Apr-2007 10:09:16] <_chris_> it'll be blank with nan as the value
[06-Apr-2007 10:09:16] <_chris_> but it should appear
[06-Apr-2007 10:09:29] <jshadow> it's blank but zero as the values
[06-Apr-2007 10:09:51] <_chris_> ok
[06-Apr-2007 10:09:56] <_chris_> restart zenperfsnmp
[06-Apr-2007 10:10:01] <_chris_> and wait for 3 collect cycles (15 minutes)
[06-Apr-2007 10:10:06] <_chris_> you should start seeing your value appear
[06-Apr-2007 10:10:39] <jshadow> ok will do, I'll let you know when that's over
[06-Apr-2007 10:10:43] <jshadow> thanks
[06-Apr-2007 10:10:43] <_chris_> cool beans
[06-Apr-2007 10:10:46] <_chris_> no worries
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[06-Apr-2007 10:11:10] <_chris_> rusty from zenoss?
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:07] <rusty> yea - jumped on to let you know we just found out about newletter snafu... i suspeneded email (outbound) and am purging queue. you may get a few additional copies while doing this. more info when I have a chance to see what happened.
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:19] <ivoks> nice, thanks
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:23] <_chris_> what happened?
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:28] <_chris_> crappy zimbra?
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:33] <rusty> really, really sorry.
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:49] <ivoks> it's allright, it happens
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:54] <rusty> no - looks like an issue with the application used to send the newsletter.
[06-Apr-2007 10:12:56] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: can you help me with Zenoss not populating for a specific device?
[06-Apr-2007 10:13:06] <_chris_> Bulwinkle: i can try
[06-Apr-2007 10:13:12] <_chris_> what type of device is it?
[06-Apr-2007 10:14:13] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: its my 2811s (Cisco Router)... I add the device and all I specify is the IP and the /Network/Router/Cisco
[06-Apr-2007 10:14:27] <_chris_> ok
[06-Apr-2007 10:14:33] <ivoks> Default ubuntu mail agent (MTA) is exim4? no, it's postfix
[06-Apr-2007 10:15:15] <_chris_> Bulwinkle: what's missing from the model?
[06-Apr-2007 10:15:51] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: I put the snmp OID it is pulling (.1.3.6.1.4.1.9.1.576) in the Manufacturers under Cisco and it pulls it in as a Cisco with the Oid
[06-Apr-2007 10:16:14] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: not the model (2811)
[06-Apr-2007 10:16:36] <_chris_> ok... i'm trying to understand the problem... -
[06-Apr-2007 10:16:43] <_chris_> are you not seeing things like route tables
[06-Apr-2007 10:16:47] <_chris_> CPU hardware info
[06-Apr-2007 10:16:48] <_chris_> memory sizes
[06-Apr-2007 10:16:54] <_chris_> and things like that
[06-Apr-2007 10:16:59] <_chris_> (in the OS Tab, and Hardware)
[06-Apr-2007 10:17:17] <_chris_> or are you trying to add a custom OID you want to monitor and graph/threshold?
[06-Apr-2007 10:17:23] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: The HW Manufacturer is incorrect... the OS comes in incorrectly too
[06-Apr-2007 10:18:52] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: it is finding the correct OID for the device but not associating it with the device in the manufacturer list
[06-Apr-2007 10:19:27] <_chris_> the HW Manufacturer and the OS are part of the model
[06-Apr-2007 10:19:44] <_chris_> the model is built using the DataCollector plugins (located in $ZENHOME/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp)
[06-Apr-2007 10:20:00] <_chris_> we basically go through every .py module in there and attempt to apply it to the device you added.
[06-Apr-2007 10:20:14] <_chris_> those modules issue SNMP queries to the device and then populate the model with whatever comes back
[06-Apr-2007 10:20:24] <_chris_> if the HW Manufacturer and OS name are incorrect
[06-Apr-2007 10:20:50] <_chris_> that suggests that one of the DataCollector plugins is retrieving that information from the wrong place in the snmp tree
[06-Apr-2007 10:20:51] <_chris_> or
[06-Apr-2007 10:21:01] <_chris_> your device (the cisco 2811) is exporting inaccurate information
[06-Apr-2007 10:22:40] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: any ideas where to start to troubleshoot?
[06-Apr-2007 10:22:44] <_chris_> ya -
[06-Apr-2007 10:22:50] <_chris_> look at the Cisco module
[06-Apr-2007 10:22:55] <_chris_> look at the OIDs it's trying to collect
[06-Apr-2007 10:22:56] <_chris_> and
[06-Apr-2007 10:22:56] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: all of my 2811s return the same snmp oid
[06-Apr-2007 10:23:10] <_chris_> snmpwalk -c <public> -v 1 cisco2811-ip-address <<the oid>>
[06-Apr-2007 10:23:10] <Bulwinkle> SNMPv2-MIB::sysObjectID.0 = OID: SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.1.576
[06-Apr-2007 10:24:28] <Bulwinkle> SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.1.576 = No Such Object available on this agent at this OID
[06-Apr-2007 10:25:15] <Bulwinkle> snmpwalk -c(BLAH) -v2c 192.168.186.244 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.1.576 returns the above
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[06-Apr-2007 10:27:31] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: did you get bumped?
[06-Apr-2007 10:27:48] <_chris__> Bulwinkle: ya.. i connected up a VPN and dropped off
[06-Apr-2007 10:27:55] <_chris__> what comes back from that query against .9.1.576?
[06-Apr-2007 10:28:49] <rusty> hi all. me again.... quick "temperature" check... how many copies of newsletter #1 did you get? Trying to judge just how "south" the process went... I've got 6 copies...
[06-Apr-2007 10:28:59] <_chris__> i only got 1
[06-Apr-2007 10:29:00] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: snmpwalk -c(BLAH) -v2c 192.168.186.244 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.1.576 returns SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.1.576 = No Such Object available on this agent at this OID
[06-Apr-2007 10:29:06] <_chris__> hah
[06-Apr-2007 10:29:07] <_chris__> weird!
[06-Apr-2007 10:29:10] <creiht> rusty: Heh... I only got 1
[06-Apr-2007 10:29:31] <rusty> I'm hoping i caught it before it went completely nuts...
[06-Apr-2007 10:29:45] <_chris__> your device is saying: "go to this location for the sysName" and then that location doesn't exist
[06-Apr-2007 10:31:33] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: it returns the SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.1.576 when I do an snmpwalk -v2c -c(BLAH) IP system
[06-Apr-2007 10:32:05] <jshadow> chris: my monitor is now working thanks very much
[06-Apr-2007 10:32:16] <_chris__> jshadow: huzzah!
[06-Apr-2007 10:33:10] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: same thing happens for my 6509 MSFC but it pulled in correctly
[06-Apr-2007 10:34:29] <_chris__> Bulwinkle: ahhh interesting.
[06-Apr-2007 10:34:40] <_chris__> go ahead and use snmp v2c then rather than v1
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[06-Apr-2007 10:34:41] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: very
[06-Apr-2007 10:34:52] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: done that
[06-Apr-2007 10:35:02] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: for network traffic sake
[06-Apr-2007 10:35:24] <_chris__> hmmm
[06-Apr-2007 10:35:38] <_chris__> i'm not sure what else to suggest. have you posted to zenoss-users?
[06-Apr-2007 10:36:09] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: yeppers
[06-Apr-2007 10:36:50] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: I'm looking in the snmp directory of zenoss, what should I look for?
[06-Apr-2007 10:37:08] <_chris__> look at the CiscoHSRP.py
[06-Apr-2007 10:39:47] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: I see some stuff in there about hardware but there is more in DeviceMap.py
[06-Apr-2007 10:40:28] <_chris__> all the .py files are loaded
[06-Apr-2007 10:40:30] <_chris__> most of them are run
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[06-Apr-2007 10:42:14] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: I don't see anything in any of them about sysObjectID
[06-Apr-2007 10:44:25] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: Let me see if this makes sense to you.....
[06-Apr-2007 10:45:11] <Bulwinkle> When Zenoss adds a new device and doesn't find the Hardware OID in the database (or software for that matter) it adds it in under "Unknown" right?
[06-Apr-2007 10:45:38] <_chris__> sounds reasonable
[06-Apr-2007 10:46:37] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: I moved that OID under the Cisco Manufacturer and it always shows up there now.... So by that reasoning, it is finding the right OID and matching it to that instance
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[06-Apr-2007 11:09:01] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: I fixed it
[06-Apr-2007 11:09:11] <_chris__> what did you find?
[06-Apr-2007 11:10:18] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: in the manufacturing list under Cisco I had 2811 so I deleted it. I took the OID that Zenoss was putting all of the 2811s in to and named it 2811....
[06-Apr-2007 11:14:00] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: is there a way I can scan a subnet and automatically put anything found there in the /Network/Router/Cisco tree?
[06-Apr-2007 11:14:27] <_chris__> what you're referring to is autodiscovery
[06-Apr-2007 11:14:39] <_chris__> i'm not sure if you can automatically put the discovered devices into /Network/Router/Cisco
[06-Apr-2007 11:14:47] <_chris__> never really used that feature
[06-Apr-2007 11:14:48] <_chris__> but yes -
[06-Apr-2007 11:14:54] <_chris__> you can discover all the boxes on a subnet that respond to pings
[06-Apr-2007 11:14:57] <_chris__> add them to zenoss
[06-Apr-2007 11:15:05] <_chris__> and then select them all and sweep them into a device class
[06-Apr-2007 11:16:00] <Bulwinkle> _chris__: when a device is pinged and found to be a Cisco device isn't it automatically put in the /Network/Router/Cisco tree?
[06-Apr-2007 11:16:30] <_chris__> no - because you can't tell the type of the device from an ICMP packet
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[06-Apr-2007 11:16:49] <_chris__> hi oubiwann
[06-Apr-2007 11:16:49] <creiht> Bulwinkle: It will attempt an snmp walk
[06-Apr-2007 11:16:50] <_chris__>
[06-Apr-2007 11:17:08] <oubiwann> _chris__: hey man!
[06-Apr-2007 11:17:11] <creiht> if it can figure out the device based on the snmp info
[06-Apr-2007 11:17:19] <Bulwinkle> Lets see what happens
[06-Apr-2007 11:17:21] <creiht> hehe
[06-Apr-2007 11:17:28] <creiht> Not sure if it auto puts it there
[06-Apr-2007 11:17:40] <creiht> I remember being shown the beginnings have having that capability
[06-Apr-2007 11:17:48] <creiht> But not sure if it was fully flushed out yet
[06-Apr-2007 11:18:53] <creiht> What type of cisco device is it?
[06-Apr-2007 11:20:53] <Bulwinkle> creiht: most of them are 2811 routers
[06-Apr-2007 11:21:17] <Bulwinkle> creiht: we have all of our devices loopback ip addresses in certain subnets....
[06-Apr-2007 11:22:01] <creiht> I'm going to bet that they do not automatically go to the CISCO device tree
[06-Apr-2007 11:22:05] <creiht> Check out
[06-Apr-2007 11:22:07] <creiht> zport/dmd/Manufacturers/Cisco/products/2811/viewProductClassOverview
[06-Apr-2007 11:22:17] <creiht> Appended to your zenoss server name of course
[06-Apr-2007 11:22:33] <creiht> If you look at the zproperties tab
[06-Apr-2007 11:23:04] <creiht> There is a field for zDeviceClass
[06-Apr-2007 11:23:18] <creiht> That is supposed to tell it what class to put it in if it detects
[06-Apr-2007 11:23:22] <creiht> the device
[06-Apr-2007 11:23:36] <creiht> I don't know if they actually got that functionality hooked up yet though
[06-Apr-2007 11:23:39] <Bulwinkle> creiht: I see.....
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[06-Apr-2007 11:25:11] <Bulwinkle> Doesn't seem to be much of an issue I can go to the /Devices/Discovered and move them around there
[06-Apr-2007 11:25:28] <creiht> yup
[06-Apr-2007 11:25:37] <Bulwinkle> Not too shabby
[06-Apr-2007 11:25:57] <Bulwinkle> We are using a Nagios/Cacti solution now. This might really work for us
[06-Apr-2007 11:26:36] <creiht> Bulwinkle: Cool... I think you will find it much easier to manage than Nagois
[06-Apr-2007 11:26:59] <Bulwinkle> My boss is happy with the solution we have but Nagios is practically a full time job
[06-Apr-2007 11:28:16] <Bulwinkle> It would be worth some $$$s for the ease of configuration
Hell I'd pay for Zenoss myself[06-Apr-2007 11:28:30] <creiht> hehe
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[06-Apr-2007 11:36:06] <Aziraphale> creiht: doesn't look like zDeviceClass is filled just yet (1.1)
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[06-Apr-2007 11:36:30] <creiht> Yeah... I didn't think so
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[06-Apr-2007 11:37:53] <Aziraphale> is nthat infrastructure for the zenpacks?
[06-Apr-2007 11:38:37] <creiht> Aziraphale: I don't think so... It's been there for a while, but I don't think it has quite been hooked up, since noone has really asked for it yet
[06-Apr-2007 11:38:45] <creiht> At least that was the impression that I got
[06-Apr-2007 11:39:03] <Aziraphale> ok
[06-Apr-2007 11:39:48] <creiht> Though I am really looking forward to being able to make some zenpacks
[06-Apr-2007 11:40:28] <Aziraphale> yeah, was thinking of that myself, especially for Juniper routers
[06-Apr-2007 11:41:34] <creiht> We have several custom apps that I would like to add plugins to monitor
[06-Apr-2007 11:41:40] <creiht> As well as things like postgresql
[06-Apr-2007 11:42:07] <Bulwinkle> I think I found a bug too....
[06-Apr-2007 11:45:59] <Aziraphale> huh, looking through the changesets it looks like upgrading from 1.1 will be less than trivial...
[06-Apr-2007 11:52:27] <Bulwinkle> When I open a device to edit its location it looses some of its other configuration information
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[06-Apr-2007 12:16:23] <WolfeWLU> Hey all.
[06-Apr-2007 12:16:35] <WolfeWLU> Is there a place where creating zenpacks is documented?
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[06-Apr-2007 12:20:26] <WolfeWLU> OK....that's just cruel and usual: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/ZenPacks
[06-Apr-2007 12:20:26] <adytum-bot> Title: ZenPacks - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[06-Apr-2007 12:22:32] <chet> WolfeWLU: There is some documentation under inst/docs
[06-Apr-2007 12:37:26] <WolfeWLU> Hmm....
[06-Apr-2007 12:37:29] <WolfeWLU> chet: Thanks. :-)
[06-Apr-2007 12:37:48] <WolfeWLU> chet: Do you know if Zenoss understands warn vs. critical on Nagios plugins?
[06-Apr-2007 12:38:05] <WolfeWLU> chet: That and if you can RegEx the return string for numbers to be graphed.
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[06-Apr-2007 12:54:09] <chet> WolfeWLU: I'll answer those questions in a few minutes. brb..
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[06-Apr-2007 13:11:53] <b_52Centos> hmm i have forgetten the password / user for my zenoss
[06-Apr-2007 13:12:00] <b_52Centos> i have a frech install
[06-Apr-2007 13:28:57] <chet> You can run zenpass to reset it.
[06-Apr-2007 13:32:20] <chet> WolfeWLU: Still there?
[06-Apr-2007 13:44:47] <chet> WolfeWLU: If you set the template's severity to warning a plugin WARNING will equal a warning severity and a plugin CRITICAL will equal a error severity.
[06-Apr-2007 13:46:06] <chet> WolfeWLU: If you set the template's severity to error, a plugin WARNING will equal an error severity and a plugin CRITICAL will equal a critical severity.
[06-Apr-2007 13:47:19] <chet> WolfeWLU: You can't use a regex to match anything in the plugin's output. You need to create data point names that match names in the plugin's performance output string.
[06-Apr-2007 13:50:17] <jreese> wee, got the zenrrdzoom.js script working for ie
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[06-Apr-2007 13:59:43] <chet> jreese: Post that diff to the mailing list. A lot of people would want to see that.
[06-Apr-2007 14:02:15] <jreese> i shoulda saved the original, doh, hehe
[06-Apr-2007 14:05:43] <jreese> can someone hook me up with the orignal zenrrdzoom.js file?
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[06-Apr-2007 15:14:31] <b_52Centos> any pointer that heklp to configure snmp on a linux machine
[06-Apr-2007 15:16:24] <creiht> b_52Centos: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[06-Apr-2007 15:16:24] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[06-Apr-2007 15:18:16] <b_52Centos> creiht, thanks
[06-Apr-2007 15:19:32] <Bulwinkle> When I go through the autodiscovery everything works perfectly now... Populates my Cisco device and IOS but when I go in to change the Location Path I have to reenter the IOS and Hardware or it looses it...
[06-Apr-2007 15:20:03] <creiht> Bulwinkle: That is odd
[06-Apr-2007 15:20:15] <creiht> How are you changing the location?
[06-Apr-2007 15:20:15] <Bulwinkle> creiht: you're telling me
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[06-Apr-2007 15:20:35] <Bulwinkle> creiht: I'm going directly in to the device and changing it in the pulldown
[06-Apr-2007 15:20:44] <creiht> hrmm
[06-Apr-2007 15:21:01] <creiht> I would file a bug at dev.zenoss.org
[06-Apr-2007 15:21:12] <Bulwinkle> creiht: when I go in to edit the device the stuff that is in the status page isn't in the edit page
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[06-Apr-2007 15:52:13] <b52laptop> snmpwalk -v 1 192.168.1.201 -c public
[06-Apr-2007 15:52:13] <b52laptop> Timeout: No Response from 192.168.1.201
[06-Apr-2007 15:52:13] <b52laptop> tracteur:/var/log#
[06-Apr-2007 15:52:16] <b52laptop>
[06-Apr-2007 15:52:21] <b52laptop> arghhh:d
[06-Apr-2007 15:52:26] <b52laptop> why snmp is so complicated
[06-Apr-2007 15:58:39] <creiht> b52laptop: Make sure that you don't have something running like portsentry
[06-Apr-2007 15:58:44] <creiht> or iptables blocking it
[06-Apr-2007 15:59:25] <b52laptop> creiht, nop , i got no portentry , and iptables have no rule yet
[06-Apr-2007 15:59:44] <b52laptop> in fact snmpwalk -v 1 127.0.0.1 -c public
[06-Apr-2007 15:59:44] <b52laptop> give a result
[06-Apr-2007 16:00:18] <b52laptop> but snmpwalk -v 1 192.168.1.201 -c public <--the ip of the lan give nothing !
[06-Apr-2007 16:01:50] <creiht> b52laptop: so is 192.168.1.201 the machine you are running snmp on?
[06-Apr-2007 16:01:55] <creiht> err snmpwalk
[06-Apr-2007 16:02:14] <b52laptop> creiht, yeap , even if i run snmpwalk from another machine , same result
[06-Apr-2007 16:02:37] <creiht> Sounds like snmpd is binding to 127.0.0.1 and not 192.168.1.201
[06-Apr-2007 16:02:47] <b52laptop> hm
[06-Apr-2007 16:10:51] <b52laptop> creiht , i add com2sec readonly 192.168.1.201 public in snmpd.conf but snmpwalk -v 1 192.168.1.201 -c public
[06-Apr-2007 16:10:51] <b52laptop> Timeout: No Response from 192.168.1.201
[06-Apr-2007 16:10:51] <b52laptop> tracteur:/var/log#
[06-Apr-2007 16:13:01] <WolfeWLU> chet: Thank you very much.
[06-Apr-2007 16:13:18] <WolfeWLU> chet: Is there anyway to see what the last return from a plugin check was?
[06-Apr-2007 16:13:36] <creiht> b52laptop: Well that sets what client ip can hit snmp
[06-Apr-2007 16:13:56] <creiht> I'm not sure how you control which ip snmp binds to
[06-Apr-2007 16:14:05] <creiht> By default I thought it was supposed to bind to all interfaces
[06-Apr-2007 16:14:17] <b52laptop> yeah me to
[06-Apr-2007 16:14:56] <creiht> hrmm
[06-Apr-2007 16:15:19] <WolfeWLU> creiht: I believe snmpd will let you specify which addresses to bind to on the command line.
[06-Apr-2007 16:15:27] <creiht> WolfeWLU: Right
[06-Apr-2007 16:15:29] * b52laptop didn't think that something "little" like snmp will give him a headach :d
[06-Apr-2007 16:15:43] <creiht> But by default when you run it, it is supposed to bind to all interfaces
[06-Apr-2007 16:15:51] <WolfeWLU> Ah.
[06-Apr-2007 16:15:52] <creiht> b52laptop: What os?
[06-Apr-2007 16:15:57] <b52laptop> creiht, ubuntu
[06-Apr-2007 16:16:45] <b52laptop> linux i mean
[06-Apr-2007 16:16:52] <creiht> hehe
[06-Apr-2007 16:17:48] <b52laptop> monitoring with ssh is bad for security from what i read ?
[06-Apr-2007 16:18:19] <creiht> I'm not completely sure from a security point of view
[06-Apr-2007 16:18:25] <creiht> but it definately is not as scalable
[06-Apr-2007 16:18:38] <b52laptop> hm ok
[06-Apr-2007 16:19:01] <creiht> b52laptop: You restart snmpd when you make snmpd.conf changes right?
[06-Apr-2007 16:19:01] <b52laptop> in syslog , snmp says that he only receive interface from lo interface
[06-Apr-2007 16:19:13] <b52laptop> creiht, hhhhhhhhh , naturelly :d
[06-Apr-2007 16:19:20] <creiht> hehe
[06-Apr-2007 16:19:24] <creiht> just making sure
[06-Apr-2007 16:19:34] <b52laptop> yeah , i know ...
[06-Apr-2007 16:21:29] <creiht> Why does it semm like I have had a similar problem in the past, but I can't quite recall what I had to do to fix it
[06-Apr-2007 16:23:09] <creiht> b52laptop: Can you paste your snmpd.conf to one of the paste servers i.e(paste.lisp.org)
[06-Apr-2007 16:23:27] <b52laptop> creiht, ok give me a minute
[06-Apr-2007 16:23:29] <creiht> blanking out any sensitive info
[06-Apr-2007 16:27:14] <b52laptop> creiht, http://paste.lisp.org/display/39334
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[06-Apr-2007 16:29:11] <creiht> b52laptop: What I would do first is cp your current snmpd.conf to a backup
[06-Apr-2007 16:29:19] <creiht> And then make a clean file
[06-Apr-2007 16:29:30] <creiht> and put in just the parts from the web page that I posted earlier
[06-Apr-2007 16:29:37] <creiht> And see if that works
[06-Apr-2007 16:30:14] <creiht> If it does, either use just that, or start with that as your base
[06-Apr-2007 16:30:25] <b52laptop> creiht, apt-get --purge snmp snmpd && rm -fr /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf && apt-get install snmpd snmp == yeah yeah it's ugly
[06-Apr-2007 16:30:41] <b52laptop> but he is driving me crazy
[06-Apr-2007 16:30:56] <creiht> hehe
[06-Apr-2007 16:30:57] <b52laptop> i put just what was on the page ...
[06-Apr-2007 16:31:07] <creiht> hrmm
[06-Apr-2007 16:31:48] <creiht> ok
[06-Apr-2007 16:31:49] <creiht> change
[06-Apr-2007 16:32:03] <creiht> view system included .iso.org.dod.internet.mgmt.mib-2.system
[06-Apr-2007 16:32:05] <creiht> to
[06-Apr-2007 16:32:17] <creiht> view systemview included .1
[06-Apr-2007 16:32:42] <creiht> and
[06-Apr-2007 16:32:46] <creiht> change the access line
[06-Apr-2007 16:32:59] <creiht> replace notConfigGroup with MyROSystem
[06-Apr-2007 16:34:29] <WolfeWLU> Is there anyway to check whether a Nagios plugin datasource is running correctly? Would like to see the output.
[06-Apr-2007 16:35:07] <creiht> WolfeWLU: You can just run it from the command line
[06-Apr-2007 16:35:31] <b52laptop> same prob running for lo0 and not for eth0
[06-Apr-2007 16:35:40] <creiht> hrmm
[06-Apr-2007 16:36:48] <creiht> also get rid of the line that you added: com2sec readonly 192.168.1.201 public
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:05] <b52laptop> get ride = remove ?
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:14] <creiht> yes
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:17] <b52laptop> ok
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:18] <creiht> or comment out
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:19] <creiht>
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:22] <b52laptop>
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:43] <b52laptop> sorry french speaker (even if i don't like french ...) :d
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:49] <creiht> heh
[06-Apr-2007 16:37:51] <creiht> np
[06-Apr-2007 16:39:20] <b52laptop> creiht, second solution is to go to /etc/init.d/snmpd and modify the snmpd to make it run with the option to force him to listenm to eth0 interface ?
[06-Apr-2007 16:39:36] <b52laptop> a violent one but snmp is looking for trouble
[06-Apr-2007 16:40:25] <creiht> b52laptop: hehe... I'm not sure if you can actually specify it in the snmpd.conf, but I know you can when you start snmpd as a command line option
[06-Apr-2007 16:40:44] <creiht> That's why I think it is some type of config issue
[06-Apr-2007 16:40:51] <creiht> So the last change didn't make a difference?
[06-Apr-2007 16:41:11] <b52laptop> nop the last change dint make any difference
[06-Apr-2007 16:41:28] <creiht> ugh
[06-Apr-2007 16:41:40] <b52laptop> as i say , he is looking for trouble
[06-Apr-2007 16:42:52] <creiht> I think you have exhausted my expertise at this point
[06-Apr-2007 16:42:53] <creiht> sorry
[06-Apr-2007 16:43:08] <b52laptop> creiht, thanks man :d
[06-Apr-2007 16:43:19] <WolfeWLU> creiht: No I mean I want to see what values Zenoss is seeing. I like to be able to get a heads up of what's going on with services at the current moment.
[06-Apr-2007 16:43:35] <creiht> ahh
[06-Apr-2007 16:43:57] <b52laptop> /usr/sbin/snmpd -xTCP:161 192.168.1.201
[06-Apr-2007 16:44:01] <b52laptop> should start snmpd
[06-Apr-2007 16:45:01] <b52laptop> ?
[06-Apr-2007 16:45:11] <creiht> b52laptop: Not sure
[06-Apr-2007 16:45:23] <creiht> WolfeWLU: The log for that is zencommand.log
[06-Apr-2007 16:45:25] <b52laptop> he doesn't start in fatc :d
[06-Apr-2007 16:45:35] <creiht> But by default it only logs errors
[06-Apr-2007 16:45:45] <creiht> It doesn't log all checks like most of the other logs do
[06-Apr-2007 16:51:13] <b52laptop> creiht, could yu paste me yur /etc/snmp/snmptrapd.conf ?
[06-Apr-2007 16:51:47] <WolfeWLU> creight: On the filesystem?
[06-Apr-2007 16:51:56] <creiht> b52laptop: Just a sec
[06-Apr-2007 16:51:59] <creiht> WolfeWLU: Yes
[06-Apr-2007 16:52:01] <b52laptop> ok
[06-Apr-2007 16:52:12] <creiht> It will be under $ZENHOME/log
[06-Apr-2007 16:52:13] <WolfeWLU> creiht: LOL. Its empty.
[06-Apr-2007 16:52:16] <creiht> yeah
[06-Apr-2007 16:52:30] <creiht> It only by default prints errors... I'm looking to see how to set the log level
[06-Apr-2007 16:52:56] <WolfeWLU> Ah.
[06-Apr-2007 16:52:58] <WolfeWLU> Thank you.
[06-Apr-2007 16:58:51] <creiht> b52laptop: http://paste.lisp.org/display/31046
[06-Apr-2007 16:59:50] <b52laptop> creiht, clean and simple :d the snmptrapd is empty right ?
[06-Apr-2007 16:59:58] <creiht> yeah
[06-Apr-2007 17:00:04] <creiht> I don't do any traps
[06-Apr-2007 17:00:15] <monrad> is ./install.sh still the way to go?
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[06-Apr-2007 17:00:38] <creiht> b52laptop: You will want to replace certain parts with the right things
[06-Apr-2007 17:00:44] <creiht> community string, polling ip, etc.
[06-Apr-2007 17:00:51] <b52laptop> yeap
[06-Apr-2007 17:00:51] <creiht> monrad: I still do that
[06-Apr-2007 17:01:09] <monrad> i seem to have a problem with zc.queue with trunk
[06-Apr-2007 17:01:29] <WolfeWLU> creight: Mm...can't seem to find where they set the Twisted log level...
[06-Apr-2007 17:01:56] <creiht> WolfeWLU: Yeah... It seems like it should be possible, but I can't find quite the right thing
[06-Apr-2007 17:04:09] <creiht> oh
[06-Apr-2007 17:04:11] <creiht> WolfeWLU:
[06-Apr-2007 17:04:18] <creiht> try
[06-Apr-2007 17:04:25] <creiht> zencommand restart -v 10
[06-Apr-2007 17:04:36] <creiht> That should increase the log level
[06-Apr-2007 17:05:03] <b52laptop> creiht, http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=4959 i tried to take a look at net-snmp mailling list but it seems down ....
[06-Apr-2007 17:05:03] <adytum-bot> Title: SourceForge.net: Exiting with Error (at sourceforge.net)
[06-Apr-2007 17:05:24] <creiht> heh
[06-Apr-2007 17:08:18] <WolfeWLU> Thank you! That works.
[06-Apr-2007 17:09:23] <WolfeWLU> Its definitely running.
[06-Apr-2007 17:12:53] <WolfeWLU> Now to troubleshoot the return parsing...
[06-Apr-2007 17:14:58] <b_52Centos> i add my device = routeur but my perf don't show any graphs !?
[06-Apr-2007 17:16:32] <b_52Centos> err i forget to give him the password :d
[06-Apr-2007 17:17:10] <monrad> creiht: done it lately?
[06-Apr-2007 17:17:44] <creiht> WolfeWLU: Cool
[06-Apr-2007 17:17:58] <creiht> monrad: I upgraded from 1.0.2 to 1.1.1 last week
[06-Apr-2007 17:18:03] <monrad> ok
[06-Apr-2007 17:18:30] <monrad> i have run trunk lately so i guess i wait until it works again
[06-Apr-2007 17:19:22] <creiht> b_52Centos: Also remember that once it starts polling, it will take a bit before graphs will show up
[06-Apr-2007 17:19:51] <b_52Centos> creiht, 5 minute ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:20:30] <monrad> more like 15
[06-Apr-2007 17:20:34] <creiht> b_52Centos: It can take up to 30 minutes for the config to refresh
[06-Apr-2007 17:20:39] <b_52Centos> monrad, joking
?[06-Apr-2007 17:20:44] <b_52Centos> errrrrrrr
[06-Apr-2007 17:20:49] <creiht> Unless you restart zenoss
[06-Apr-2007 17:20:59] <creiht> which it will grab the new config
[06-Apr-2007 17:21:08] <creiht> And then 5-10 minutes to get the new data
[06-Apr-2007 17:21:12] <creiht> err enough data
[06-Apr-2007 17:21:19] <b_52Centos> gr ,
[06-Apr-2007 17:21:23] <b_52Centos> ok
[06-Apr-2007 17:22:26] <b_52Centos> on the status tab , i only see , the blue rectangle that seems active all the others are empy hmmm
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[06-Apr-2007 17:24:18] <rodeoclown> so we've just setup or still in the process of setting up zenoss. I haven't touched it myself but I'm in charge of backups, what is critical to backup on a Zenoss install on Linux?
[06-Apr-2007 17:24:55] <creiht> rodeoclown: There is a whole section in the Zenoss Manual on that
[06-Apr-2007 17:26:02] <rodeoclown> creiht : awesome, i'll take a look. the fellow employee setting it up said the docs weren't that good or detailed on backups, so i'll beat him over the head and tell him to quit lying
[06-Apr-2007 17:26:27] <creiht> rodeoclown: http://zenoss.com/download/latest/adminguidew
[06-Apr-2007 17:26:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss Download Redirect (at zenoss.com)
[06-Apr-2007 17:28:12] <creiht> rodeoclown: Sections 14.10 and 14.11
[06-Apr-2007 17:28:24] <rodeoclown> awesome thanks
[06-Apr-2007 17:30:28] <N[]VA> any one every seen various socket time outs
[06-Apr-2007 17:30:39] <N[]VA> after setting up http or website monitoring?
[06-Apr-2007 17:32:43] <b52laptop> to enable ssh monitoring i have to install portsentry
[06-Apr-2007 17:33:04] <b52laptop> ZenModeler give me a warning about that ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:33:20] <creiht> N[]VA: Yes
[06-Apr-2007 17:33:34] <b_52Centos> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 71, in processClient datamaps = plugin.process(device, results, log) File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/cmd/linux/ifconfig.py", line 62, in process if "UP" in flags: iface.operStatus = 1 UnboundLocalError: local variable 'iface' referenced before assignment
[06-Apr-2007 17:33:44] <b_52Centos> what's that ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:34:02] <creiht> A Traceback
[06-Apr-2007 17:34:09] <creiht> Where did you get that?
[06-Apr-2007 17:34:34] <b_52Centos> /Devices /Server /Linux /tracteur
[06-Apr-2007 17:34:43] <b_52Centos> i went to manage tab
[06-Apr-2007 17:34:51] <b_52Centos> and i click over cllect the configuration
[06-Apr-2007 17:34:59] <b_52Centos> and this magic phrase appear to me
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:03] <N[]VA> yes creiht?
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:07] <creiht> hrmm
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:09] <N[]VA> did you manage to find the issue?
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:25] <N[]VA> with socket timeouts / website monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:26] <creiht> N[]VA: Well if the socket times out then the server isn't responding in time
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[06-Apr-2007 17:35:41] <N[]VA> via my desktop it does
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:45] <N[]VA> wich is the issue\
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:47] <creiht> When it happens here, apache has died, but it is still running
[06-Apr-2007 17:35:48] <creiht> ahh
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:05] <creiht> I've only seen it when it really happen
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:12] <N[]VA> zenoss desperately needs some kinda decent flap detection
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:14] <creiht> err well when it is a a real problem
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:31] <N[]VA> well monitorinf servers between in usa / uk / africa
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:31] <b_52Centos> flap detection = ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:34] <N[]VA> im seeing allot
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:41] <N[]VA> yea flap detection
[06-Apr-2007 17:36:45] <b_52Centos> =?
[06-Apr-2007 17:37:01] <N[]VA> like a rule needs to be triggered 3 times before an alert gets sent
[06-Apr-2007 17:37:12] <b_52Centos> ah ok
[06-Apr-2007 17:37:30] <b_52Centos> is it normal to see no event in the status tab ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:37:54] <N[]VA> not at all
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:01] <N[]VA> 3000+ devices
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:03] <b_52Centos> grrr
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:11] <creiht> N[]VA: It has that
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:13] <N[]VA> almost always have some thing in the dashboard
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:22] <N[]VA> where?, creiht
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:36] * b_52Centos got nadaon the dashboard :d
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:44] <b_52Centos> nadaon/nada
[06-Apr-2007 17:38:54] <N[]VA> ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:39:15] <b52laptop> should i install portscan on the monitored machine ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:39:35] <creiht> N[]VA: Well I know you can do that for sending out emails and pages for alerts
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[06-Apr-2007 17:39:50] <creiht> b_52Centos: It doesn't seem like you should have to do that
[06-Apr-2007 17:40:03] <N[]VA> yes
[06-Apr-2007 17:40:05] <N[]VA> that works fine
[06-Apr-2007 17:40:10] <b_52Centos> hm
[06-Apr-2007 17:40:58] <N[]VA> issue is whilst I have a custom /device (in this case "/device/server/windows/webserver) with web page monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:04] <N[]VA> i get socket time out errors
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:22] <creiht> N[]VA: There probably is a way to filter it, I just don't know
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:29] <N[]VA> almost as though its distro reeelated
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:38] <N[]VA> or file/socket limitations
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:42] <b_52Centos> 007-04-06 21:41:30 WARNING zen.ZenModeler no snmp plugins found for tracteur
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:43] <b_52Centos> 2007-04-06 21:41:30 WARNING zen.ZenModeler no portscan plugins found for tracteur
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:45] <creiht> N[]VA: You could also set up collectors on the edges
[06-Apr-2007 17:41:54] <creiht> That would report back to a central machine
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:07] <creiht> b_52Centos: That's normal
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:08] <N[]VA> ohw'd you mean?
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:15] <N[]VA> yea granted
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:17] <b_52Centos> creiht, hm ok
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:18] <creiht> Well if the problem is related to latency
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:28] <creiht> or connectivity problems
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:29] <b_52Centos> Events
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:30] <b_52Centos> 0/0 0/0 0/0 0/0 0/0
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:44] <creiht> You could set up a poller say overseas
[06-Apr-2007 17:42:48] <creiht> Where the other servers ar
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:02] <creiht> It would do all the monitoring, and report events back to the main server
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:04] <N[]VA> but I think its plain and simply that zenoss executes all the http_check commands at the same time and max's out the number of available sockets on the server
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:08] <creiht> And thus you wouldn't have the timeouts
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:11] <creiht> ahhh
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:13] <N[]VA> not latency
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:16] <creiht> gotcha
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:19] <N[]VA> nor network outages
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:22] <creiht> That's a good question
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:29] <N[]VA> ubuntu 6.10 btw
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:50] <creiht> I think the nagios plugins are there more for convenience
[06-Apr-2007 17:43:58] <creiht> Not neccesarilly optimal
[06-Apr-2007 17:44:13] <creiht> The next version will include their new plugin system
[06-Apr-2007 17:44:15] <creiht> Zenpacks
[06-Apr-2007 17:44:25] <creiht> Which should have much better collectors for that type of stuff
[06-Apr-2007 17:45:14] <N[]VA> well zenoss is failing drasticly then
[06-Apr-2007 17:45:28] <creiht> N[]VA: What do you mean?
[06-Apr-2007 17:45:30] <N[]VA> when it comes to convenience
[06-Apr-2007 17:45:37] <N[]VA> well no default web monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 17:45:51] <N[]VA> no jabber/msn/icq/aol alerts
[06-Apr-2007 17:45:53] <N[]VA> =\
[06-Apr-2007 17:45:55] <creiht> Well that is just my opinion
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:01] <N[]VA> iv worked around all of them
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:03] <creiht> I don't speak officially for zenoss
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:14] <N[]VA> but still think basic web monitoring should be included
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:20] <creiht> N[]VA: They are working on it
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:25] <N[]VA> its a basic fundamental
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:29] <creiht> It was supposed to be release in 1.1
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:34] <N[]VA> =]
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:37] <creiht> but got pushed to the next release
[06-Apr-2007 17:46:54] <creiht> They added the nagios plugins to give basic functionality until then
[06-Apr-2007 17:47:09] <creiht> It will also do transactional monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 17:47:18] <creiht> So that you can record a series of web hits
[06-Apr-2007 17:47:21] <creiht> And play it back
[06-Apr-2007 17:47:54] <creiht> It will do basic http port monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 17:47:57] <creiht> right now
[06-Apr-2007 17:47:59] <creiht> without nagios
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[06-Apr-2007 17:48:28] <creiht> I would post to the newgroup with the issue, and you will get a much more official answer
[06-Apr-2007 17:55:01] <b_52Centos> if a routeur use a htp athentification what are the parameter thgat should be changed in the Zpropreties ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:55:53] <N[]VA> how would you setup that monitoring?
[06-Apr-2007 17:57:27] <creiht> b_52Centos: Using the nagious http monitor?
[06-Apr-2007 17:57:32] <creiht> or just doing the normal monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 17:58:11] <b_52Centos> creiht, no i just want to setup normal roueur monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 17:58:15] <b_52Centos> why nagios ?
[06-Apr-2007 17:58:33] <b_52Centos> i mean i am interested in network activity
[06-Apr-2007 17:58:43] <creiht> b_52Centos: Well you shouldn't have to set up any passwords then if you are using snmp
[06-Apr-2007 17:58:43] <b_52Centos> of the routeur of course:
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:05] <b_52Centos> hm
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:30] <creiht> b_52Centos: You will have to put the community string in zenoss that the router is set up with
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:35] * b_52Centos feel stupid and want to throw him self from the window
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:46] <creiht> and make sure that the router exposes snmp to the monitoring server
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:47] <b_52Centos> creiht, hm ok
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:47] <creiht> heh
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:50] <creiht> no worries
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:54] <b_52Centos> :d
[06-Apr-2007 17:59:59] <creiht> We all do that from time to time
[06-Apr-2007 18:00:29] <b_52Centos> the "time to time" duration is different from a person to another :d
[06-Apr-2007 18:02:55] <b_52Centos> community string = public right ?
[06-Apr-2007 18:03:25] <creiht> b_52Centos: If that is what is set up on the router... that is usually the default though
[06-Apr-2007 18:03:31] <creiht> Most people change it though
[06-Apr-2007 18:04:02] <N[]VA> creiht: routeur
[06-Apr-2007 18:04:04] <N[]VA> ?
[06-Apr-2007 18:04:22] <b_52Centos> Read Community:public Read Community:private
[06-Apr-2007 18:04:36] <b_52Centos> N[]VA, in french :d
[06-Apr-2007 18:04:45] <N[]VA> ah ok
[06-Apr-2007 18:04:47] <N[]VA> =]
[06-Apr-2007 18:04:53] <N[]VA> down in South Africa here
[06-Apr-2007 18:05:03] <b_52Centos> ?
[06-Apr-2007 18:05:14] <N[]VA> as in we dont speak fench
[06-Apr-2007 18:05:26] <b_52Centos> N[]VA, yu lucky ....
[06-Apr-2007 18:05:30] <b_52Centos>
.....[06-Apr-2007 18:05:35] <b_52Centos> yu're
[06-Apr-2007 18:06:09] <b_52Centos> N[]VA, yu live in SA ?
[06-Apr-2007 18:06:38] <N[]VA> cause it rox
[06-Apr-2007 18:06:42] <N[]VA> and I live here
[06-Apr-2007 18:06:44] <N[]VA> and why not
[06-Apr-2007 18:06:47] <N[]VA> Cape town
[06-Apr-2007 18:06:55] <b_52Centos> hm nice
[06-Apr-2007 18:07:17] * b_52Centos would like to visit S.A
[06-Apr-2007 18:07:39] <WolfeWLU> Does RRD have trouble storing values < 0?
[06-Apr-2007 18:07:57] <WolfeWLU> Er...< 1
[06-Apr-2007 18:08:16] <N[]VA> ah its great
[06-Apr-2007 18:08:57] * b_52Centos <-- morocco
[06-Apr-2007 18:11:28] <b_52Centos> ERROR zen.ApplyDataMap plugin zenoss.cmd.linux.ifconfig device tracteur
[06-Apr-2007 18:11:47] <N[]VA> http://static.flickr.com/100/270591985_4d4050bbbb_o.jpg
[06-Apr-2007 18:11:47] <b_52Centos> zenoss don't like my ifconfig
[06-Apr-2007 18:11:47] <N[]VA> wake up to that and then tell me it doesnt rock
[06-Apr-2007 18:12:32] <b_52Centos> N[]VA, the color of the sea! is wonderfull !
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[06-Apr-2007 18:13:05] <N[]VA> also cold
[06-Apr-2007 18:13:07] <N[]VA> =\
[06-Apr-2007 18:13:11] <N[]VA> lol yea but its kewl
[06-Apr-2007 18:13:13] <N[]VA> any how
[06-Apr-2007 18:13:14] <b_52Centos> haha "D
[06-Apr-2007 18:13:16] <N[]VA> web page monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 18:13:36] <N[]VA> any current solution better than the nagios plugin?
[06-Apr-2007 18:14:22] <N[]VA> these socket times outs are spamming my mailbox
[06-Apr-2007 18:18:43] <creiht> N[]VA: Did you need to have it actually do an HTTP GET, or do you just need to make sure something is running on that port?
[06-Apr-2007 18:19:05] <creiht> Or do you just need to make sure apache is running?
[06-Apr-2007 18:19:06] <N[]VA> not port monitoring
[06-Apr-2007 18:19:12] <N[]VA> need to get a web page
[06-Apr-2007 18:19:25] <N[]VA> and search for regxp
[06-Apr-2007 18:19:32] <N[]VA> such as "Working"
[06-Apr-2007 18:19:43] <creiht> gotcha
[06-Apr-2007 18:20:08] <creiht> As far as I know, that is all that is available at the moment, until the next release, which appears to be in about a month
[06-Apr-2007 18:20:14] <creiht> I would ask on the mailing list just to be sure
[06-Apr-2007 18:25:09] <WolfeWLU> Is there an equivalent to $devname for ip addresses?
[06-Apr-2007 18:25:17] <WolfeWLU> $ipAddress?
[06-Apr-2007 18:26:08] <creiht> WolfeWLU: my bet is $ip
[06-Apr-2007 18:27:08] <WolfeWLU> creiht: Is the a place on the wiki where you can post awk post-processing strings to make Nagios plugins compliant?
[06-Apr-2007 18:27:21] <WolfeWLU> Figure might as well save someone else the headache.
[06-Apr-2007 18:29:10] <creiht> WolfeWLU: Perhaps add to this page? http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate
[06-Apr-2007 18:29:10] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToNagiosCreateTemplate - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[06-Apr-2007 18:30:57] <WolfeWLU> creight: Hmm...no dice on $ip or $ipAddress
[06-Apr-2007 18:33:26] <WolfeWLU> ${dev/manageIp}
[06-Apr-2007 18:33:28] <WolfeWLU> That works.
[06-Apr-2007 18:33:39] <creiht> ahh cool
[06-Apr-2007 18:34:09] <WolfeWLU> /usr/local/zenoss/libexec/check_ping -H ${dev/manageIp} -w 100.0,20% -c 500.0,60% -p 5 | awk '{ print gensub(/(PING \[A-Z]+)* - Packet loss = ([.0-9]+)%, RTA = ([.0-9]+) ms/, "\\1|packetloss=\\2 RTA=\\3", 1)}'
[06-Apr-2007 18:34:25] <WolfeWLU> That'll get you packet loss and round trip time if you're interested. :-)
[06-Apr-2007 18:34:39] <creiht> Ahh cool... So you were the one asking that on the Forums?
[06-Apr-2007 18:34:58] <WolfeWLU> No...just bugging people here.
[06-Apr-2007 18:35:03] <creiht> or at least there was someone asking the same thing on the mailing list
[06-Apr-2007 18:35:07] <WolfeWLU> I saw that post though...used that to figure out the format it wanted.
[06-Apr-2007 18:35:09] <WolfeWLU> ;-)
[06-Apr-2007 18:35:19] <creiht> hehe
[06-Apr-2007 18:35:27] <creiht> I would definately add that to the wiki somewhere
[06-Apr-2007 18:36:47] <WolfeWLU> creight: Hmm...how does one get a Trac account for editing?
[06-Apr-2007 18:37:16] <creiht> WolfeWLU: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToAddTicket
[06-Apr-2007 18:37:16] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToAddTicket - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[06-Apr-2007 18:37:17] <creiht> Should also let you add to the wiki I think,
[06-Apr-2007 18:37:25] <creiht> Otherwise email it to the list, and someone should be able to add it from there
[06-Apr-2007 18:38:30] <WolfeWLU> Hmm...no dice. OK. I'll send a link once I write it up on my blog.
[06-Apr-2007 18:38:48] <WolfeWLU> Putting together a long article explaining how to understand template application and use Nagios plugins.
[06-Apr-2007 18:39:11] <creiht> cool
[06-Apr-2007 18:40:20] <WolfeWLU> creight: Thanks for you help. :-) Have a great weekend.
[06-Apr-2007 18:40:25] <creiht> You too man
[06-Apr-2007 18:41:02] <creiht> I'm out as well... Everyone have a great weekend
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[08-Apr-2007 08:05:13] <N[]VA> any of the zenoss devs ever here?
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[08-Apr-2007 16:10:06] <Igbothom_3rd> N[]VA, this is a long weekend, remember, maybe they have lives
[08-Apr-2007 16:10:34] <N[]VA> I was talking generaly
[08-Apr-2007 16:14:21] <bzed> having a live it totally overrated
[08-Apr-2007 16:21:00] <N[]VA> well im at work
[08-Apr-2007 16:21:02] <N[]VA> so yea
[08-Apr-2007 16:21:03] <N[]VA> I agree
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[08-Apr-2007 16:33:38] <Igbothom_3rd> I agree - I worked Fri and Sat and probbly at least half of today, and I did a bit yesterday, too
[08-Apr-2007 16:34:32] <Igbothom_3rd> I wouldn't mind seeing one or two on here, as I'm having issues getting zenwin working
[08-Apr-2007 16:34:53] <Igbothom_3rd> and the docs are, well, lacking
[08-Apr-2007 16:35:11] <Igbothom_3rd> (and I'm MORE than happy to help out with the documentation once I get it working)
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[08-Apr-2007 18:37:43] <cblack0> is there a way to load a MIB from the web interface?
[08-Apr-2007 18:37:50] <cblack0> I see an add for subdir
[08-Apr-2007 18:44:59] <Igbothom_3rd> I just need to get zemwin working
[08-Apr-2007 18:45:05] <Igbothom_3rd> zemwin?
[08-Apr-2007 18:45:10] <Igbothom_3rd> that's a new one!
[08-Apr-2007 18:51:59] <cblack0> there is a wiki article about it
[08-Apr-2007 18:52:27] <cblack0> I've never messed w/ it myself
[08-Apr-2007 18:52:54] <Igbothom_3rd> the wiki article seems not to be enough information to get this working, though
[08-Apr-2007 18:53:21] <Igbothom_3rd> (as most of the client sites we want to monitor run Windows boxes, this is the tool we need)
[08-Apr-2007 19:04:53] <cblack0> you could also try installing the free version of snmp informant on your windows boxes
[08-Apr-2007 19:05:17] <cblack0> another admin in our organization is the one who setup zenoss and set it to monitor win hosts so I can't be too much help I'm afraid
[08-Apr-2007 19:12:53] <Igbothom_3rd> I tried the snmp-informant app, but there's no info on what community names and so on are needed, so all I got was "no snmp found on w2k3server" in Zenoss
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[09-Apr-2007 06:13:40] <chairuou> hello
[09-Apr-2007 06:14:33] <chairuou> I am start install.sh and got message : bad interpreter.: Permission denied
[09-Apr-2007 06:14:48] <chairuou> my linux is Slackware 11.0 (upgrade) from 10.2
[09-Apr-2007 06:15:04] <chairuou> MySQL, Python is out of the box
[09-Apr-2007 06:30:56] <bzed> try bash install.sh
[09-Apr-2007 06:31:04] <bzed> the shebangs are broken everywhere :\
[09-Apr-2007 06:31:30] <bzed> well.. not really broken, but the extra space in there doesn't make them better
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[09-Apr-2007 09:10:02] <jp10558> hey, I'm progressing with help from my Linux people, I again seem to have ZenWin working - how does winexe work, and where are the variables documented?
[09-Apr-2007 09:10:35] <jp10558> I've tried /opt/zenoss/bin/winexe -U "${dev/zWinUser}%${dev/zWinPassword}" //${dev/manageIp} "net start OCS INVENTORY SERVICE"
[09-Apr-2007 09:11:00] <jp10558> as an example service that I've stopped on a test machine. I'm just trying to run this command manually from the manage tab
[09-Apr-2007 09:11:29] <jp10558> but I get an error
[09-Apr-2007 09:11:30] <jp10558> ERROR: Cannot open control pipe - NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[09-Apr-2007 09:11:44] <jp10558> Which I suppose means it's not getting the right domain
[09-Apr-2007 09:11:49] <jp10558> \user
[09-Apr-2007 09:12:17] <jp10558> or it's not getting the right password, but the zenwin entries have the right u/name + Password for monitoring windows services
[09-Apr-2007 09:12:33] <jp10558> SO I wonder If the forum search turned up the wrong variables for me to use?
[09-Apr-2007 09:13:18] <chet> jp10558: Best way to test would be to echo the string to a file and see what shows up. Then you'd know.
[09-Apr-2007 09:14:21] <jp10558> Wait, there's going to be another issue - net start OCS INVENTORY SERVICE fails at the command line on windows, but if I put in quotes like net start "OCS INVENTORY SERVICE", then the command returns a use
[09-Apr-2007 09:31:16] <jp10558> Ok, it actually prints out the command. Is there a list of what variables there are anywhere?
[09-Apr-2007 09:34:38] <jp10558> Ok I figured it out
[09-Apr-2007 09:34:57] <jp10558> I hadn't re-set the password for Windows machines after reisntall... stupid me
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[09-Apr-2007 09:54:52] <jp10558> Ok, now I'm trying to set a command to run on an event
[09-Apr-2007 09:55:23] <jp10558> Specifically if a windows service is down, I want to restart it. I'm being simple here, and in the command specifing the service like above
[09-Apr-2007 09:56:04] <jp10558> I've got an event filter:
[09-Apr-2007 09:56:05] <jp10558> (eventClass like '%|/Status%') and (summary like '%''OCS INVENTORY'' is down%')
[09-Apr-2007 09:56:20] <jp10558> which is pulled from the summary in the actual event field.
[09-Apr-2007 09:56:40] <jp10558> is there a better way to do this? Any ideas why this doesn't match? I wonder if it's because it's actually /status/winservice
[09-Apr-2007 09:56:47] <jp10558> for the eventClass
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[09-Apr-2007 10:40:36] <jp10558> Ok, I've sort of figured this out so great!
[09-Apr-2007 10:40:55] <jp10558> no idea why Like wasn't matching partial strings, but using the exact match worked so for today, that's enough
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[09-Apr-2007 10:49:24] <dan__t> Wow, rad, Cacti didn't alert me when a machine died on Friday night.
[09-Apr-2007 10:49:37] <dan__t> One more reason as to why I'm so looking forward to my Zenoss switchover.
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[09-Apr-2007 12:20:23] <jreese> anyone seen this before: "TypeError: Can't pickle objects in acquisition wrappers."
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[09-Apr-2007 12:53:08] <jreese> seems to happen when i remove an IIS site :/
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[09-Apr-2007 13:37:08] <dan__t> beh
[09-Apr-2007 13:37:23] <dan__t> is there a dashboard-like view where I can group graphed items and get a good visual picture as to how things are doing?
[09-Apr-2007 13:37:31] <dan__t> Bandwidth, disk, ping latency etc etc.
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[09-Apr-2007 14:02:32] <dan__t> Anyone want to help me troubleshoot the sending of mail for notifications and such?
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[09-Apr-2007 14:32:13] <Gamekiller77> Good afternoon all I am having some problems with installed zenoss on a ubuntu install
[09-Apr-2007 14:33:41] <dan__t> What kind of problems?
[09-Apr-2007 14:33:59] <Gamekiller77> let me rerun the install.sh
[09-Apr-2007 14:34:07] <Gamekiller77> i post up the error line in a sec
[09-Apr-2007 14:34:19] <Gamekiller77> it saying it missing like setupadmin something
[09-Apr-2007 14:34:29] <Gamekiller77> setup something i need to get it
[09-Apr-2007 14:34:47] <Gamekiller77> i did a make clean so it was cleaned out give me a sec
[09-Apr-2007 14:35:49] <Gamekiller77> installing zc.queue
[09-Apr-2007 14:35:49] <Gamekiller77> make: *** [zc.queue-install] Error 1
[09-Apr-2007 14:35:49] <Gamekiller77> unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log
[09-Apr-2007 14:35:59] <Gamekiller77> that is the last line in the install.sh out put
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:14] <dan__t> Why not use a .deb for installation?
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:35] <Gamekiller77> running install_data
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:35] <Gamekiller77> Traceback (most recent call last):
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:35] <Gamekiller77> File "setup.py", line 1, in ?
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:35] <Gamekiller77> from setuptools import setup
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:35] <Gamekiller77> ImportError: No module named setuptools
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:37] <Gamekiller77> there one
[09-Apr-2007 14:36:45] <Gamekiller77> from what i seen on the website it telling me there is not one
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[09-Apr-2007 14:38:36] <Gamekiller77> i was following the seteps on the zenoss web site now if there is a .deb i just need to know where it is so i can get it
[09-Apr-2007 14:41:08] <dan__t> pastebin the log or something, the errors that you are pasting don't mean a whole lot.
[09-Apr-2007 14:41:51] <Gamekiller77> that what i thought
[09-Apr-2007 14:41:54] <Gamekiller77> how much do you need
[09-Apr-2007 14:42:26] <dan__t> like all of it?
[09-Apr-2007 14:42:41] <Gamekiller77> were should i post it
[09-Apr-2007 14:42:50] <Gamekiller77> as it super big
[09-Apr-2007 14:43:32] <creiht> Gamekiller77: Try paste.lisp.org
[09-Apr-2007 14:43:44] <Gamekiller77> ok thanks
[09-Apr-2007 14:43:47] <creiht> Gamekiller77: And there are no .debs yet, but someone has been working on it
[09-Apr-2007 14:43:55] <Gamekiller77> ok good
[09-Apr-2007 14:44:29] <Gamekiller77> i just took over this job for IT at my university and they have logging so i want to use zoness for snmp
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[09-Apr-2007 14:47:25] <nsanity> Has anyone managed to get the RPM to install on RHEL4/x86_64
[09-Apr-2007 14:47:45] <dan__t> Not on x86_64, but under CentOS, yes.
[09-Apr-2007 14:47:54] <dan__t> I can't get mail notifications to work, and it's got me quite bummed.
[09-Apr-2007 14:49:02] <creiht> dan__t: What part isn't working?
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[09-Apr-2007 14:51:27] <Gamekiller77> what is the easest way to copy the log file in a putty or ssh to the website
[09-Apr-2007 14:52:43] <creiht> Gamekiller77: The main part will be the tail end where you see an error message, most likely with a trace back, and a few lines before it so we can see what was going on
[09-Apr-2007 14:52:53] <creiht> I thought you could copy and paste from putty
[09-Apr-2007 14:53:03] <Gamekiller77> you can
[09-Apr-2007 14:53:06] <creiht> But then again it has been a while since I have been in the Windows world
[09-Apr-2007 14:53:08] <Gamekiller77> but it like a mile long log file
[09-Apr-2007 14:53:16] <creiht> Try just the end first
[09-Apr-2007 14:53:21] <creiht> With the error message
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[09-Apr-2007 14:53:25] <Gamekiller77> sorry yah we are windows house moving over to linux
[09-Apr-2007 14:53:26] <creiht> If you can't get the whole thing
[09-Apr-2007 14:54:04] <dan__t> creiht, as I understand it, I set up an Alerting Rule for my user account, set a name, email, production state, severity, event state, and enable it - and I'm testing it by killing snmpd on a client machine.
[09-Apr-2007 14:54:18] <dan__t> I see the down host via Dashboard, but I get no mail, and I see no delivery of mail in the logs.
[09-Apr-2007 14:54:19] <nsanity> So, I take it that means that no?
[09-Apr-2007 14:54:30] <creiht> dan__t: Have you tried clicking the test button to make sure an email can be sent ?
[09-Apr-2007 14:54:37] <dan__t> And I don't see anything in the logs under /opt/zenoss/log
[09-Apr-2007 14:54:38] <Gamekiller77> ok so it asking for captcha
[09-Apr-2007 14:54:56] <Gamekiller77> what should i add for that
[09-Apr-2007 14:55:02] <dan__t> I don't have a test button.
[09-Apr-2007 14:55:32] <creiht> dan__t: When you look at the users screen, there is a test link next to the email links
[09-Apr-2007 14:55:42] <creiht> clikc on that test link, and it will send a test email
[09-Apr-2007 14:55:52] <dan__t> ahhh, that one
[09-Apr-2007 14:55:52] <dan__t> brb
[09-Apr-2007 14:56:07] <creiht> Gamekiller77: type in whatever you see written in the graphic
[09-Apr-2007 14:56:18] <dan__t> Yep, that works.
[09-Apr-2007 14:56:30] <Gamekiller77> sorry this is the frist time i used this
[09-Apr-2007 14:56:38] <Gamekiller77> is there a place to have it post a message to here
[09-Apr-2007 14:56:48] <Gamekiller77> o i found it
[09-Apr-2007 14:57:17] <dan__t> And, of course, I did see that in the logs.
[09-Apr-2007 14:58:31] <Gamekiller77> http://paste.lisp.org/display/39472
[09-Apr-2007 14:58:31] <Gamekiller77> there you go
[09-Apr-2007 14:58:31] <Gamekiller77> that is cool i have to remeber about that tool
[09-Apr-2007 14:59:17] <dan__t> Do you have a full python install?
[09-Apr-2007 14:59:25] <Gamekiller77> i thought i did
[09-Apr-2007 14:59:31] <jp10558> Can you add mibs to Zenoss from the web interface?
[09-Apr-2007 15:00:09] <creiht> Gamekiller77: Looks like you don't have setup tools
[09-Apr-2007 15:00:35] <creiht> Is this on debian? or another distro?
[09-Apr-2007 15:00:41] <Gamekiller77> ubuntu
[09-Apr-2007 15:00:47] <Gamekiller77> LAMP server
[09-Apr-2007 15:00:55] <dan__t> creiht, what are your thoughts on this one?
[09-Apr-2007 15:01:33] <dan__t> If any
[09-Apr-2007 15:01:37] <creiht> dan__t: Sorry... .looking at two issues at once... just a sec
[09-Apr-2007 15:01:45] <dan__t> Yep, no worries, thanks for your time.
[09-Apr-2007 15:02:49] <creiht> Gamekiller77: sudat apt-get install python-setuptools
[09-Apr-2007 15:03:17] <Gamekiller77> ok man i will try that
[09-Apr-2007 15:03:23] <creiht> Gamekiller77: err sudo
[09-Apr-2007 15:03:24] <creiht>
[09-Apr-2007 15:03:34] <Gamekiller77> yah i know
[09-Apr-2007 15:03:35] <Gamekiller77> lol
[09-Apr-2007 15:04:04] <creiht> dan__t: The alert is anabled correct? And which log are you watching? alerts will log in zenactions.log
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[09-Apr-2007 15:04:20] <dan__t> The alerts are enabled, yes - I see no alerts in the log, however.
[09-Apr-2007 15:04:49] <creiht> What level of the alert is being generated and what level is you alert set for?
[09-Apr-2007 15:05:11] <creiht> I forget sometimes that all of my alerts are set for error or higher, and some alerts come in as warnings
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[09-Apr-2007 15:06:11] <dan__t> For the sake of testing, I set the severity to debug.
[09-Apr-2007 15:06:49] <creiht> for the email alert rule, or the event in zenoss?
[09-Apr-2007 15:07:30] <Gamekiller77> so fare so good
[09-Apr-2007 15:07:33] <creiht> dan__t: Also make sure zenactions is running
[09-Apr-2007 15:07:43] <creiht> $ZENHOME/bin/zenaction status
[09-Apr-2007 15:08:15] <dan__t> hrm, I get an error when running 'status'
[09-Apr-2007 15:08:27] <creiht> What is the error?
[09-Apr-2007 15:08:42] <dan__t> Its due to $PATH
[09-Apr-2007 15:08:47] <dan__t> but I see the daemon running
[09-Apr-2007 15:08:56] <dan__t> Ok... NOW I get the email
[09-Apr-2007 15:09:02] <creiht> hehe
[09-Apr-2007 15:09:19] <dan__t> Guess I didn't hit the submit button when changing to debug.
[09-Apr-2007 15:09:20] <creiht> Do you have a delay set in the email alert settings?
[09-Apr-2007 15:09:29] <creiht> ahh
[09-Apr-2007 15:10:00] <dan__t> Actually, I know what it was heh
[09-Apr-2007 15:10:10] <dan__t> Production State = Test
[09-Apr-2007 15:10:17] <dan__t> I wanted >= Test
[09-Apr-2007 15:13:36] <Gamekiller77> creiht thanks that looks like it worked. that package you told me isntall should be added to the install steps on the website
[09-Apr-2007 15:13:49] <dan__t> ok, well, that settles that, I guess I'll tinker with it from here.
[09-Apr-2007 15:13:51] <dan__t> Thanks again.
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[09-Apr-2007 15:32:42] <jimmy-james> why would all the events for a Device say "Error reading value for"
[09-Apr-2007 15:32:54] <jimmy-james> i have just added this device, my first device
[09-Apr-2007 15:33:01] <jimmy-james> just slightly confused
[09-Apr-2007 15:34:47] <jp10558> jimmy-james: it means you need to import a MIB for it I think
[09-Apr-2007 15:35:37] <jimmy-james> so its a problem with perms and snmpd ?
[09-Apr-2007 15:43:45] <jp10558> I think it is that the OID's it's getting, it doesn't know what they map to
[09-Apr-2007 15:48:01] <creiht> jimmy-james: Are you by chance monitoring windows machines?
[09-Apr-2007 15:48:18] <jimmy-james> no its a ubuntu machine
[09-Apr-2007 15:48:26] <jimmy-james> i installed the snmpd daemon on it
[09-Apr-2007 15:48:34] <creiht> jimmy-james: Then I would bet that then snmpd.conf isn't set up correctly
[09-Apr-2007 15:48:35] <jimmy-james> but i dont think ive configured it properly or something
[09-Apr-2007 15:49:01] <creiht> jimmy-james: Check out http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[09-Apr-2007 15:49:01] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[09-Apr-2007 15:49:12] <jimmy-james> thank you
[09-Apr-2007 15:49:52] <creiht> jimmy-james: By default the Ubuntu supplied snmpd.conf exposes very little... I would copy your current snmpd.conf to a backup file, and then start from scratch based on that page
[09-Apr-2007 15:49:53] <jp10558> how do you import MIBs?
[09-Apr-2007 16:02:06] <dan__t> Is there a way to "re-fetch" data gathered from a machine via SNMP, say if I update the host's MIB libraries and snmpd, to return more information?
[09-Apr-2007 16:02:10] <dan__t> LIke a re-initialization I guess
[09-Apr-2007 16:02:28] <creiht> dan__t: Open the device, and go to the manage tab, and then click the Collect button
[09-Apr-2007 16:03:17] <dan__t> haha
[09-Apr-2007 16:03:20] <dan__t> i love this. so much.
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[09-Apr-2007 16:14:06] <hsbzh> plop
[09-Apr-2007 16:15:20] <dan__t> ono
[09-Apr-2007 16:15:33] <hsbzh> is there any package to install on clients servers ?
[09-Apr-2007 16:16:34] <korozion> yes, snmpd
[09-Apr-2007 16:16:53] <korozion> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[09-Apr-2007 16:16:53] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[09-Apr-2007 16:17:25] <hsbzh> yes but not others ?
[09-Apr-2007 16:17:43] <dan__t> What do you need that net-snmpd doesn't have to offer?
[09-Apr-2007 16:18:33] <hsbzh> there is nothing i just want to be sure there is only the snmpd package to install on clients
[09-Apr-2007 16:18:41] <hsbzh> thx
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[09-Apr-2007 16:23:26] <dan__t> So yea I'd still like to have a summary of data, graphs etc etc on my Dashboard.
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[09-Apr-2007 16:23:30] <dan__t> Is that at all possible?
[09-Apr-2007 16:23:42] <dan__t> I want to break down pref data by graph type and stuff.
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[09-Apr-2007 16:31:36] <jimmy-james> what does it mean when ZenModeler tells me no cmd plugins / no portscan plugins found for device
[09-Apr-2007 16:33:21] <Gamekiller77> how long should the install.sh take
[09-Apr-2007 16:35:43] <creiht> dan__t: Anything is possible
[09-Apr-2007 16:35:56] <dan__t> seems so, just so much information to consume right away haha
[09-Apr-2007 16:36:20] <creiht> I don't think there is a mechanism built in to do that, but there is nothing preventing you from customizing it to provide that
[09-Apr-2007 16:36:37] <creiht> jimmy-james: That is normal... It just means that you are not collecting by those methods
[09-Apr-2007 16:36:50] <creiht> Gamekiller77: It can take a little while, there are a lot of packages to install
[09-Apr-2007 16:36:57] <creiht> Or are you geting a lot of ............?
[09-Apr-2007 16:37:24] <Gamekiller77> my ssh timed out
[09-Apr-2007 16:46:45] <Gamekiller77> system hung dang it
[09-Apr-2007 16:54:23] <Gamekiller77> dang my whole system hung
[09-Apr-2007 16:54:39] <Gamekiller77> i started over on the machine locally not over ssh see if that works
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[09-Apr-2007 17:17:10] <Gamekiller77> hmm it crashing on me now
[09-Apr-2007 17:17:26] <Gamekiller77> my whole server gos down
[09-Apr-2007 17:17:28] <Gamekiller77> hard
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[09-Apr-2007 18:08:34] <pyronicide> is it possible to give zenwin a non-admin account?
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[09-Apr-2007 18:38:10] <Gamekiller77> dude this sucks my whole system crashs ever time i run the install.sh
[09-Apr-2007 18:38:48] <creiht> Gamekiller77: That is really weird.... Is it running out of disk space? What part does it crash?
[09-Apr-2007 18:39:22] <Gamekiller77> let me look
[09-Apr-2007 18:39:24] <Gamekiller77> hold on
[09-Apr-2007 18:39:29] <Gamekiller77> need to reboot
[09-Apr-2007 18:50:50] <Gamekiller77> it not at the same spot
[09-Apr-2007 18:50:56] <Gamekiller77> so that telling me it system problme
[09-Apr-2007 18:53:24] <bzed> Gamekiller77: are you sure that it crashed, or is it probably just working
[09-Apr-2007 18:53:41] <bzed> it takes about 10 minutes on fast machines
[09-Apr-2007 18:53:51] <Gamekiller77> well i going to keep on eye on it now
[09-Apr-2007 18:53:54] <bzed> and with fast I mean something like an opteron
[09-Apr-2007 18:54:04] <bzed> use top to monitor it for example
[09-Apr-2007 18:54:25] <Gamekiller77> my kvm comes back to me saying no input
[09-Apr-2007 18:55:58] <Gamekiller77> yah this is a small server
[09-Apr-2007 18:56:07] <Gamekiller77> P3 1ghz so it not fast at all
[09-Apr-2007 18:56:20] <Gamekiller77> but i have to say if i try and ssh back in i get errors
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[09-Apr-2007 18:58:32] <Gamekiller77> made it to libpng
[09-Apr-2007 19:06:59] <bzed> Gamekiller77: probably it's out of ram? or out of disk space? or any other errors
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[09-Apr-2007 19:12:13] <Igbothom_3rd> if there's anyone with Zenwin experience here, I'd appreciate some of your time
[09-Apr-2007 19:12:38] <N[]VA> would lvoe to
[09-Apr-2007 19:12:43] <N[]VA> but havent even looked at it
[09-Apr-2007 19:12:44] <N[]VA> =[
[09-Apr-2007 19:16:05] <Igbothom_3rd> yeah, I know
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[09-Apr-2007 19:32:13] <dan__t> Is there a way to have more than one performance and status monitors remotely that sortof talk to eachother, so they can work in sync and acknowledge even numbers of replies from devices?
[09-Apr-2007 19:32:37] <dan__t> Say I want one status monitor in Phoenix, one in Dallas, one in New York etc etc
[09-Apr-2007 19:36:49] <N[]VA> was considering the same thing myself
[09-Apr-2007 19:37:01] <N[]VA> hadn't looked into it though
[09-Apr-2007 19:37:06] <N[]VA> shout in here if you find any thing
[09-Apr-2007 19:37:18] <dan__t> Certainly will.
[09-Apr-2007 19:37:29] <dan__t> I'd be happy with one perf monitor, but I'd like many status monitors.
[09-Apr-2007 19:46:08] <Igbothom_3rd> hi dan__t, you're after the zenraid5 module
[09-Apr-2007 19:46:32] <dan__t> Sure am.
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[09-Apr-2007 20:21:49] <dan__t> How about an option to send out alerts when a device status is acknowledged?
[09-Apr-2007 20:23:47] <dan__t> Ah well, I'll pick back up on this later.
[09-Apr-2007 20:23:50] <dan__t> Thanks for the help, all.
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[09-Apr-2007 21:55:37] <cdillardhsp> howdy zenoss buddies
[09-Apr-2007 22:07:16] <N[]VA> ola
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[09-Apr-2007 22:20:24] <creiht> hrmmm
[09-Apr-2007 22:20:39] <creiht> Has anyone installed fresh from trunk recently?
[09-Apr-2007 22:20:59] <creiht> pokes oubiwann
[09-Apr-2007 22:21:06] <creiht> gently
[09-Apr-2007 22:21:07] <creiht>
[09-Apr-2007 22:21:14] <N[]VA> how recently?
[09-Apr-2007 22:21:36] <creiht> I dunno... Just trying it this evening, and can't seem to get it to install
[09-Apr-2007 22:21:47] <N[]VA> few weeks back
[09-Apr-2007 22:21:52] <N[]VA> like 3 or 4
[09-Apr-2007 22:21:55] <creiht> ahhh
[09-Apr-2007 22:22:06] <creiht> Alot has changed since then I'm sure
[09-Apr-2007 22:22:15] <N[]VA> yea
[09-Apr-2007 22:22:35] <N[]VA> been wondering why there is no IM/jabber/msn alerting optio
[09-Apr-2007 22:22:38] <N[]VA> option
[09-Apr-2007 22:22:51] <N[]VA> busy working on a mail to jabber setup
[09-Apr-2007 22:22:53] <creiht> Probably because nobody has really asked for it yet
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:07] <N[]VA> well its a basic feature in almost all monitoring apps
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:10] <N[]VA>
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:12] <creiht> I would send an email to the mailing list to see what they say
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:18] <N[]VA> and proper web monitoring
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:20] <N[]VA> -[
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:27] <creiht> While that is true, they prioritze by what people request
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:35] <creiht> At least have in the past
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:35] <N[]VA> fair enough
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:44] <N[]VA> I have a list im workiong
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:46] <N[]VA> working*
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:47] <creiht> They have a lot to do
[09-Apr-2007 22:23:49] <creiht> hehe
[09-Apr-2007 22:24:05] <creiht> Look at it another way
[09-Apr-2007 22:24:16] <creiht> They provide a lot of things that most other systems don't out of the box
[09-Apr-2007 22:24:39] <cdillardhsp> N[]VA: what do you mean by 'proper web monitoring'?
[09-Apr-2007 22:24:41] <N[]VA> such as?
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:07] <N[]VA> well atm the examples i have found for monitoring websites using regex are witha nagious plugin
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:12] <creiht> sane set of monitoring templates to put devices in
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:24] <N[]VA> issue I have found is that whilst monitoring say a few 100 sites
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:28] <N[]VA> i get socket time outs non stop
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:30] <creiht> built in configuration management
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:42] <N[]VA> right you are there creiht
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:49] <N[]VA> the templates are kewl
[09-Apr-2007 22:25:53] <creiht> N[]VA: And I told you they are working on a better solution for that
[09-Apr-2007 22:26:03] <N[]VA> yea i know they are
[09-Apr-2007 22:26:03] <N[]VA> =]
[09-Apr-2007 22:26:09] <N[]VA> just waiting atm
[09-Apr-2007 22:26:49] <creiht> And besides... It's a network monitoring system, not just a web monitoring system
[09-Apr-2007 22:27:00] <N[]VA> granted
[09-Apr-2007 22:27:18] <N[]VA> I work for a commercial isp so monitoring sites is important to us
[09-Apr-2007 22:27:19] <N[]VA> =]
[09-Apr-2007 22:27:30] <N[]VA> checking various services like that
[09-Apr-2007 22:27:49] <N[]VA> maybe you can help with this one
[09-Apr-2007 22:27:51] <N[]VA> flap detection
[09-Apr-2007 22:28:02] <N[]VA> havent figured that out yet
[09-Apr-2007 22:28:33] <N[]VA> getting loads of mail for one time out
[09-Apr-2007 22:28:52] <creiht> N[]VA: There are two things you can do
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[09-Apr-2007 22:28:57] <N[]VA> whilst idealy id like to only get a mail after its been down say 3 times in a row
[09-Apr-2007 22:28:59] <N[]VA> yea?
[09-Apr-2007 22:29:21] <creiht> 1. Is set a delay for the alert, so that the event has to have happened for say 5 minutes (or whatever you want) before it emails you
[09-Apr-2007 22:30:13] <creiht> 2. When setting up the service that is monitoring, you can set an initial event status that is lower than what you send out email alerts for
[09-Apr-2007 22:30:19] <creiht> say warning instead of error
[09-Apr-2007 22:30:51] <creiht> And you can set an escalation count that sets the number of times it has to record the event, and it will bump up the status
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:01] <creiht> In this case from warning to error, and thus alert you
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:04] <N[]VA> ok
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:13] <N[]VA> can you clarify on that 1
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:31] <N[]VA> so if I set it to say warining, alert on error
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:36] <N[]VA> and set escalation to 4
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:38] <creiht> Unfortunately I am at home and don't have a Zenoss install right in front of me
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:43] <creiht> yes
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:50] <N[]VA> it would have to happen 4 times before it hits error?
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:53] <creiht> yes
[09-Apr-2007 22:31:57] <creiht> and 4 times in a row
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:01] <N[]VA> ok
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:05] <creiht> not just 4 random times
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:05] <N[]VA> thats prefect then
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:29] <creiht> It works very well... I use it all the time
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:37] <N[]VA> thanks for that
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:37] <N[]VA> =]
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:40] <creiht> np
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:49] <creiht> And I totally understand the web monitoring thing
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:59] <creiht> I've been poking them for a while for it
[09-Apr-2007 22:32:59] <N[]VA> yea
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:12] <creiht> That is a bit of a complicated piece
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:16] <creiht> I'm sure
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:20] <N[]VA> I had to do a custom setup in zabbix for it aswell
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:28] <N[]VA> well yes and no
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:30] <N[]VA> dapending
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:33] <creiht> hehe
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:42] <creiht> Well what they are doing is a bit complicated
[09-Apr-2007 22:33:44] <N[]VA> havent even begun to look into the backend of zenoss
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:03] <creiht> In my opinion, that is why they released the nagios plugins to satisfy some basic needs
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:12] <N[]VA> dont have that kinda time these days
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:13] <creiht> until they could get the better version release
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:15] <N[]VA> yea
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:27] <N[]VA> only problem I ahd was after hitting X ammount of checks
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:29] <creiht> again... I don't speak officially for zenoss
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:32] <N[]VA> they all get socket timeouts
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:35] <creiht> right
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:47] <creiht> And they may be able to address that issue actually
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:48] <N[]VA> then again im hitting a few hundred
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:54] <creiht> You may just be the first one hitting that hard
[09-Apr-2007 22:34:57] <_chris_> what're the issues?
[09-Apr-2007 22:35:15] <creiht> N[]VA: You should post the issue to the forums
[09-Apr-2007 22:35:27] <N[]VA> yea like I said have a small list that growing
[09-Apr-2007 22:35:45] <N[]VA> need to clean up my examples and explinations
[09-Apr-2007 22:35:51] <N[]VA> just cant atm
[09-Apr-2007 22:35:56] <_chris_> N[]VA: no worries....
[09-Apr-2007 22:35:57] <creiht> ok
[09-Apr-2007 22:36:00] <N[]VA> have another project first
[09-Apr-2007 22:36:00] <N[]VA>
[09-Apr-2007 22:36:05] <N[]VA> then zenoss
[09-Apr-2007 22:36:09] <_chris_> if you can summarize 'em and post 'em we can take a look at 'em
[09-Apr-2007 22:36:40] <creiht> _chris_: Are you the same Chris I met at pycon?
[09-Apr-2007 22:36:48] <N[]VA> hopefuly things should calm down soonish and I can get more involved
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:25] <_chris_> yup
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:28] <creiht> hehe
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:28] <_chris_> how're you creiht?
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:31] <N[]VA> the jabber/icq/msn side of things is actualy fairly easy to implament
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:32] <creiht> good
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:52] <N[]VA> well I say that in relation to every other monitoring system iv played with
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:52] <_chris_> me too
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:53] <N[]VA> =]
[09-Apr-2007 22:37:58] <_chris_> just wrapping up my income tax return
[09-Apr-2007 22:38:03] <creiht> I was trying to install from trunk tonight on my home computer and am having some problems
[09-Apr-2007 22:38:07] <creiht> fun
[09-Apr-2007 22:38:08] <creiht>
[09-Apr-2007 22:38:25] <_chris_> creiht: what kind of problem?
[09-Apr-2007 22:39:14] <creiht> Most of it installs
[09-Apr-2007 22:39:24] <creiht> And then it tries to setup zenoss inside of zope
[09-Apr-2007 22:39:31] <creiht> I get several errors saying
[09-Apr-2007 22:39:38] <creiht> ERROR:Zope:Couldn't install Five
[09-Apr-2007 22:40:05] <creiht> also this
[09-Apr-2007 22:40:07] <creiht> WARNING:OFS.Application:Duplicate Product name
[09-Apr-2007 22:40:18] <creiht> Right after it creates the events database
[09-Apr-2007 22:40:25] <creiht> This is on Ubuntu dapper
[09-Apr-2007 22:40:27] <_chris_> hmmm weird
[09-Apr-2007 22:40:35] <creiht> That's what I thought
[09-Apr-2007 22:40:57] <N[]VA> I had an issue the first time I installed on edgy
[09-Apr-2007 22:41:06] <N[]VA> with the events db
[09-Apr-2007 22:41:24] <N[]VA> cant rem wth it was
[09-Apr-2007 22:41:43] <creiht> I was wanting to start poking at zenpacks
[09-Apr-2007 22:41:51] <N[]VA> zenpacks?
[09-Apr-2007 22:41:52] <creiht> But I have to get it installed first
[09-Apr-2007 22:41:59] <N[]VA> sorry, fairly new to this
[09-Apr-2007 22:42:08] <N[]VA> or zenoss anyhow
[09-Apr-2007 22:42:16] <creiht> N[]VA: The zenoss plugin mechanism that will be available in the next version
[09-Apr-2007 22:42:26] <N[]VA> kewl
[09-Apr-2007 22:42:32] <N[]VA> oh another nitfy Idea I had, was with VPS's
[09-Apr-2007 22:43:06] <N[]VA> provided you install an agent on the base VPS wouldn't be to hard to auto populate all the VE's
[09-Apr-2007 22:43:22] <creiht> _chris_: btw, I got my new camera lens in right after Pycon, and I love it
[09-Apr-2007 22:43:37] <_chris_> i forget what you were looking for -
[09-Apr-2007 22:43:47] <_chris_> was it the 200mm f2.8?
[09-Apr-2007 22:43:55] <creiht> 18-50mm f2.8
[09-Apr-2007 22:44:15] <_chris_> i'm itching for something down around 18
[09-Apr-2007 22:44:21] <N[]VA> maybe another question you guys can answer
[09-Apr-2007 22:44:34] <_chris_> all i have in that range right now is a 50mm f1.8 (cause i sold my 18-55mm kit lens)
[09-Apr-2007 22:44:35] <creiht> I'm a bit disappointed they never announced the photo winner at pycon
[09-Apr-2007 22:44:40] <_chris_> struggling with it!
[09-Apr-2007 22:44:43] <creiht> heh
[09-Apr-2007 22:44:46] <creiht> yeah I can imagine
[09-Apr-2007 22:45:01] <N[]VA> when it comes to having say zenoss servers that correlate events in order to generate alerts?
[09-Apr-2007 22:45:38] <N[]VA> we have servers spread over two different continents, so situational monitoring would be usefull
[09-Apr-2007 22:45:39] <_chris_> yup... oh well...
[09-Apr-2007 22:45:41] <N[]VA> that doable?
[09-Apr-2007 22:45:48] <_chris_> creiht: what do you do to catalog your pictures?
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:00] <_chris_> N[]VA: what do you mean by event correlation?
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:03] <_chris_> can you elaborate on it?
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:06] <N[]VA> sure
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:13] <N[]VA> say I had a zenoss server in africa
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:15] <N[]VA> and one in the usa
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:19] <N[]VA> where our servers are
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:20] <N[]VA> =]
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:20] <creiht> _chris_, I store them on my HD in a really in-efficient manner
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:35] <N[]VA> can two zenoss servers share info
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:43] <N[]VA> and have alerts based on that info
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:49] <N[]VA> without using a ceneral db
[09-Apr-2007 22:46:59] <creiht> I use google's Picasa, which I like a lot for keeping things somewhat orginized
[09-Apr-2007 22:47:18] <N[]VA> so say I'd want to know if a server is down both from the usa based zenoss and the frican one
[09-Apr-2007 22:47:28] <N[]VA> but not if its down just from one location
[09-Apr-2007 22:47:33] <N[]VA> or "looks" down
[09-Apr-2007 22:47:38] <creiht> And I use Bibble for RAW workflow and post processing
[09-Apr-2007 22:48:07] <creiht> N[]VA: I don't think anything like that is currently available
[09-Apr-2007 22:48:12] <creiht> You can though
[09-Apr-2007 22:48:29] <creiht> Have a poller in say Africa, that would report to the Zenoss installation in America
[09-Apr-2007 22:48:40] <_chris_> N[]VA: ya i don't think we can do that as yet.
[09-Apr-2007 22:48:40] <N[]VA> yea had considered that
[09-Apr-2007 22:49:01] <creiht> The web interface would be on the box in America
[09-Apr-2007 22:49:06] <_chris_> creiht: i've got about 60GB of digital pictures so i keep them local and try my best to host them with gallery.
[09-Apr-2007 22:49:12] <_chris_> but that piece of crap is always broken
[09-Apr-2007 22:49:15] <creiht> haha
[09-Apr-2007 22:49:25] <creiht> Well I do put most of my pics on flickr as well
[09-Apr-2007 22:49:42] <N[]VA> other wise what I had considered was using two isolated ones, and pulling the data to one db, then generating reports directly from that
[09-Apr-2007 22:50:41] <N[]VA> in my case it would be the other way round
[09-Apr-2007 22:50:42] <N[]VA>
[09-Apr-2007 22:50:47] <creiht> _chris_, I used to run gallery, but it became such a pain
[09-Apr-2007 22:50:47] <N[]VA> as we are in africa
[09-Apr-2007 22:50:50] <creiht> hehe
[09-Apr-2007 22:50:55] <creiht> well yeah
[09-Apr-2007 22:51:42] <N[]VA> bbn
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[10-Apr-2007 00:36:36] <Igbothom_3rd> for fans of the goatse man - an iPod skin...
[10-Apr-2007 00:36:44] <Igbothom_3rd> http://www.extraneo.it/goatse/detail_01.htm
[10-Apr-2007 00:36:44] <adytum-bot> Title: iGoatse. the new skin for your iPod - Front (at www.extraneo.it)
[10-Apr-2007 00:54:07] <cdillardhsp> does anyone have a link to where information on escalation and service severity can be found?
[10-Apr-2007 01:15:40] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Genshi Templates in Nevow - 26 Mar, 02:04AM
[10-Apr-2007 01:15:41] -adytum-bot- http://www.advogato.org/person/oubiwann/diary.html?start=137
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[10-Apr-2007 03:54:52] <Igbothom_3rd> http://www.science.uwa.edu.au/for/alumni/alumni <-- notice anything "interesting" aboot 1/3 of the way down the form?
[10-Apr-2007 03:54:52] <adytum-bot> Title: Faculty of Life and Physical Sciences - Update (at www.science.uwa.edu.au)
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[10-Apr-2007 04:35:46] <Snake-Eyes> lol other
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[10-Apr-2007 07:59:06] <korozion> upon starting zenoss, I get errors saying the use zenoss isn't allowed to sudo, however I have the line 'zenoss monitor = NOPASSWD: /usr/local/zenoss/bin/*,/bin/kill` in my sudo file
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[10-Apr-2007 08:07:09] <mikl> ls
[10-Apr-2007 08:07:17] <korozion> df
[10-Apr-2007 08:07:24] <mikl> oops...
[10-Apr-2007 08:07:37] <korozion>
[10-Apr-2007 08:07:41] <mikl> well, I meant to ask - does Zenoss use SNMP v3?
[10-Apr-2007 08:08:18] <korozion> I know the docs talk about 2
[10-Apr-2007 08:08:23] <korozion> but I'm not sure if it can use 3
[10-Apr-2007 08:09:13] <mikl> mmkay, I think I'll play it safe...
[10-Apr-2007 08:09:40] <korozion> can't hurt
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[10-Apr-2007 10:20:00] <jp10558> mikl: currently Zenoss only does 1 and 2, but in v2 due out in a month, it should support SNMPv3
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[10-Apr-2007 10:47:22] <chet> jp10558: I think 1.2 might be coming out in a month. At that point the trunk will probably become 2.0.
[10-Apr-2007 10:47:27] <chet> Who knows when 2.0 will be out.
[10-Apr-2007 10:47:43] <creiht> chet: I was under the impression that 1.2 is going to be 2.0
[10-Apr-2007 10:47:53] <chet> Oh.. that makes sense. =}
[10-Apr-2007 10:47:56] <creiht> Last I heard it will beta this month
[10-Apr-2007 10:48:17] <chet> creiht: Are you running trunk?
[10-Apr-2007 10:48:17] <creiht> At least that is what they are shotting for
[10-Apr-2007 10:48:25] <creiht> Not in production
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[10-Apr-2007 10:49:15] <creiht> I tried installing trunk last night to start poking at Zenpacks, but ran into a problem, so I'm going to try again tonight
[10-Apr-2007 10:49:21] <creiht> b52laptop: howdy
[10-Apr-2007 10:49:42] <chet> creiht: I'm running on the trunk, and there are still a lot of "issues"
[10-Apr-2007 10:49:52] <chet> creiht: The pynetsnmp support seems very flaky.
[10-Apr-2007 10:50:23] <creiht> hrmm
[10-Apr-2007 10:50:24] <b52laptop> creiht, fine
, installing Oracle ... , so i'm a little bit angry ; how are yu doing ?[10-Apr-2007 10:50:58] <creiht> b52laptop: Very good... Just trying to get going this morning
[10-Apr-2007 10:51:19] <b52laptop> creiht, hhhh ok :d
[10-Apr-2007 10:51:34] <creiht> chet: In what ways is it flakey? And have you reported the issues to the devs?
[10-Apr-2007 10:51:53] <creiht> I wasn't planning on playing with the pynetsnmp stuff yet
[10-Apr-2007 10:53:48] <chet> I haven't had a chance to report it yet. One example would be that the SNMP DataCollector stuff just seems to miss OIDs occasionally. An SNMP walk shows the whole tree, but some values never show up in the map.
[10-Apr-2007 10:54:23] <creiht> That is odd... Hopefully they will have that all flushed out before the release
[10-Apr-2007 10:55:05] <chet> I'm sure they will. Although I'm not too concerned since the performance wasn't noticeable different.
[10-Apr-2007 10:56:13] <creiht> perfromance in snmp collection?
[10-Apr-2007 11:00:19] <chet> right
[10-Apr-2007 11:05:10] <jp10558> I'm just so happy that I've finally got ZenWin working with Zenoss 1.1.1
[10-Apr-2007 11:05:26] <jp10558> and winexe the whole 9 yards + e-mails!
[10-Apr-2007 11:05:58] <jp10558> But I hope with 2, they can get the RPMs to work better with SL4/5 or at least RHEL4/5 so you don't have to do source installs to get stuff working
[10-Apr-2007 11:08:21] <korozion> you could use checkconfig to build an RPM
[10-Apr-2007 11:09:49] <jp10558> One question, does Zenoss need Write SNMP permissions for switches to poll them?
[10-Apr-2007 11:10:17] <jp10558> I tried with public restricted write on an HP switch, and it wouldn't add it, but once I created another unrestricted community, it worked fine ... ?
[10-Apr-2007 11:10:18] <creiht> jp10558: No... just read
[10-Apr-2007 11:10:56] <creiht> hmm.. I would expect that it only needs read perms
[10-Apr-2007 11:11:17] <jp10558> If I drop in a MIB, and add it - does it get automatically applied with the proper devices, or do I need to link it somehow
[10-Apr-2007 11:11:51] <creiht> jp10558: I haven't done that yet, but I believe that there is a little extra linking required
[10-Apr-2007 11:12:55] <creiht> jp10558: According to this:
[10-Apr-2007 11:13:10] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/FAQ#WhatdoIdowithMIBsoncetheyareloaded
[10-Apr-2007 11:13:10] <adytum-bot> Title: FAQ - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[10-Apr-2007 11:13:10] <creiht> MIBs are only used for zen traps at the moment
[10-Apr-2007 11:14:27] <creiht> jp10558: That's if you are using zenmib to import mibs
[10-Apr-2007 11:16:02] <creiht> I think you can create another template that monitors a different mibs
[10-Apr-2007 11:16:19] <jp10558> So, I'm a little confused, if I import a MIB, will it at least (hopefully) turn an unknown OID number into a human readable string?
[10-Apr-2007 11:17:24] <creiht> jp10558: I don't know sorry... I haven't done much in that area... hopefully someone else here can help you with that
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[10-Apr-2007 11:49:18] <jp10558> Anyone here know much about mapping MIBs?
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[10-Apr-2007 12:53:00] <dan__t> 'morning
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[10-Apr-2007 14:08:13] <chet> jp10558: Zenoss doesn't need or use SNMP write access for anything.
[10-Apr-2007 14:09:09] <chet> jp10558: The only thing Zenoss uses MIBs for is converting trap OIDs received through zentrap into their human readable counterparts.
[10-Apr-2007 14:40:44] <jp10558> chet: I guess this is a zentrap question then
[10-Apr-2007 14:41:01] <jp10558> so if I get send an OID that's gibberish right now
[10-Apr-2007 14:41:18] <jp10558> and I install a MIB that supposedly for it - then it'll turn the event into a human readable format?
[10-Apr-2007 14:41:48] <jp10558> but adding MIBs won't allow me to graph different functions from a device
[10-Apr-2007 14:49:02] <baffle> Hmm, I see that the installationinstructions I use seems to install from trunk; Is trunk "working"?
[10-Apr-2007 14:50:12] <creiht> baffle: You are probably better off installing the latest release
[10-Apr-2007 14:50:31] <creiht> Unless you want to get your hands dirty
[10-Apr-2007 14:51:29] <baffle> creiht: How dirty? :-)
[10-Apr-2007 14:53:20] <creiht> baffle: Well I tried it last night, and it didn't work
[10-Apr-2007 14:53:44] <creiht> There's a lot of work going on in trunk right now for the next release
[10-Apr-2007 14:54:16] <creiht> baffle: If you are setting up for production use, I would definately encourage using a released version
[10-Apr-2007 14:58:04] <baffle> creiht: Guess I'll do that instead, then.
[10-Apr-2007 14:58:49] <creiht> baffle: If you want to just kick the tires to see what it is like, they also have a VMWare player image that you can download
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[10-Apr-2007 15:04:09] <baffle> creiht: Well, no, I want a working install, that I can use for a little while.
[10-Apr-2007 15:04:20] <baffle> creiht: Hmm, seems the installer doesn
[10-Apr-2007 15:04:32] <baffle> creiht: Hmm, seems the installer doesn't support using a remote mysql server...
[10-Apr-2007 15:07:20] <creiht> hrmm... I know you can change it after an install
[10-Apr-2007 15:08:16] <creiht> I haven't done that before though... so I'm not sure... I could see how the installer would have a hard time with it
[10-Apr-2007 15:08:30] <creiht> You would have the same problem with the trunk install as well
[10-Apr-2007 15:10:15] <creiht> baffle: Actually I though it asked for the host when you do the install
[10-Apr-2007 15:15:59] <baffle> creiht: It did when I installed from trunk, but no 1.1.1.. :-/
[10-Apr-2007 15:16:45] <chet> You can always export MYSQL_HOST="yourhost" before doing the install.
[10-Apr-2007 15:17:43] <chet> You'll need to setup remote mysql root access though, as this is required to create the triggers.
[10-Apr-2007 15:18:36] <baffle> Yeah, I've allready done that..
[10-Apr-2007 15:33:32] <jp10558> should zenoss by default, with the suggested snmpd.conf settings, get graphs for cpu, network etc from a SL4 (very similar to RHEL4) machine?
[10-Apr-2007 15:33:46] <creiht> jp10558: yes
[10-Apr-2007 15:33:47] <jp10558> when made part of the /server/linux/redhat catagory
[10-Apr-2007 15:33:48] <chet> yes
[10-Apr-2007 15:34:24] <jp10558> ok
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[10-Apr-2007 15:40:40] <LordVorp> does the VMWare image come with any plugins available/installed?
[10-Apr-2007 15:41:00] <dan__t> Ok, under /Devices /Server /Linux /PerfConf /Device, I see "DataSources"
[10-Apr-2007 15:41:13] <dan__t> Are these all the AVAILABLE data sources for this device, or just ones part of this template?
[10-Apr-2007 15:41:34] <chet> Ones that are part of the template.
[10-Apr-2007 15:41:52] <dan__t> OK, cool.
[10-Apr-2007 15:41:57] <dan__t> Where can I find a master list of sorts?
[10-Apr-2007 15:42:04] <dan__t> I'm trying to add elements to the template.
[10-Apr-2007 15:42:38] <chet> There's not master list. You make them up based upon the OIDs that are available on your target agent.
[10-Apr-2007 15:42:57] <dan__t> oh, ok.
[10-Apr-2007 15:43:17] <dan__t> Can I use Zenoss to determine which OIDs are available from said device?
[10-Apr-2007 15:43:32] <chet> nope
[10-Apr-2007 15:44:25] <creiht> dan__t: You can use snmpwalk to find what oids are available
[10-Apr-2007 15:44:35] <creiht> Though it will be quite a long list most likely
[10-Apr-2007 15:44:39] <dan__t> Yep.
[10-Apr-2007 15:44:47] <dan__t> That's why I was hoping that there was already a mapping somewhere
[10-Apr-2007 15:44:55] <dan__t> Such as laLoadInt5 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.5.2
[10-Apr-2007 15:44:56] <dan__t> or something
[10-Apr-2007 15:46:44] <jp10558> So how long should I wait for graphs to show up?
[10-Apr-2007 15:47:08] <jp10558> I thought 5 or so minutes based on my Windows experiances, but while SNMP is responding to Zenoss from my SL4 machine
[10-Apr-2007 15:47:12] <dan__t> two cycles, if I read properly.
[10-Apr-2007 15:47:14] <jp10558> it's not filling out any graphs
[10-Apr-2007 15:47:39] <dan__t> first cycle is to see what data is available, second cycle is to actually create graphs, and the third cycle actually starts recording.
[10-Apr-2007 15:47:49] <jp10558> Maybe I'll leave it running till tomorrow morning then
[10-Apr-2007 15:47:53] <jp10558> and hope
[10-Apr-2007 15:48:26] <dan__t> You can also debug witht he logs
[10-Apr-2007 15:49:45] <jp10558> Is ZenSysLog important?
[10-Apr-2007 15:50:14] <chet> Only if you wish to receive events via syslog.
[10-Apr-2007 15:50:18] <dan__t> I don't know, I'm still kindof new.
[10-Apr-2007 15:50:34] <jp10558> mmm ok
[10-Apr-2007 15:50:58] <jp10558> I'm also getting errors in the logs for zenmodeler that say:2007-04-07 03:34:25 WARNING zen.ApplyDataMap: Your hrSWRun table is broken, zenoss can't do process monitoring
[10-Apr-2007 15:51:56] <chet> jp10558: I've seen that error too. It seems to be related to zombie processes running in the target system. They don't have a process name, and it causes the datacollector to error our.
[10-Apr-2007 15:51:58] <chet> error out..
[10-Apr-2007 15:52:24] <jp10558> oh ok
[10-Apr-2007 15:52:34] <jp10558> so nothing much to worry about for the zenoss server then
[10-Apr-2007 15:53:15] <chet> Not really, but it does seem to be a bug that the datacollector should handle better.
[10-Apr-2007 15:53:57] <dan__t> I was *almost* at the option where I could set up an IP service to be monitored. Anyone care to clue me in?
[10-Apr-2007 15:53:59] <jp10558> Hmm, wrt linux, I see 2 rounds of checking my linux machine, but no blank graphs or anyhting. It looks like Windows w/out informant does
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[10-Apr-2007 16:37:35] <dan__t> hrmmmm
[10-Apr-2007 16:37:50] <dan__t> I want to say I found a "bug", but I'm not entirely sure
[10-Apr-2007 16:38:33] <dan__t> I followed these instructions - http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001912.html - and it appears that I have duplicates of every service under IP Services for my devices.
[10-Apr-2007 16:38:37] <dan__t> I don't think its a bug because I configured Z to use two different methods for grabbing information
[10-Apr-2007 16:40:03] <chet> I'm surprised "snmp portscan" works.. could you try "snmp|portscan" and remodel the device?
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[10-Apr-2007 16:51:59] <dan__t> Sure.
[10-Apr-2007 16:53:48] <dan__t> k, no more dupes
[10-Apr-2007 16:54:22] <dan__t> Are you a dev?
[10-Apr-2007 16:56:22] <dan__t> And configuring thresholds? I just saw that... can't find it again
[10-Apr-2007 16:57:36] <baffle> I really want to monitor a server via its hw management agent. The agent speaks SNMP. I guess I have to configure the zenoss-server as the trap reciever; But I also want to poll info from the server..
[10-Apr-2007 16:58:28] <baffle> Should I create a device-class? Right now I see things like /Device/Server/Linux or /Device/Server/Linux/Dell .. Should I sort by OS and then manufacturer?
[10-Apr-2007 17:39:24] <Igbothom_3rd> hhmmm, meant to stay awake a little longer last nite... anyone familiar with zenwin here?
[10-Apr-2007 17:53:57] <dan__t> I think that's up to you, Baffle.
[10-Apr-2007 17:54:11] <dan__t> I did like /Device/Server/Linux/{CentOS, RHEL} and /Device/Server/FreeBSD
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[10-Apr-2007 18:00:51] <baffle> dan__t: Hmm, but the servers running Linux/RHEL uses differente hw architectures. Should I set that up manually for each host maybe?
[10-Apr-2007 18:03:13] <dan__t> Again, its your call.
[10-Apr-2007 18:03:18] <creiht> baffle: Depends on how you want to use zenoss
[10-Apr-2007 18:03:20] <dan__t> Its along the same line as to how you sort your socks.
[10-Apr-2007 18:03:29] <creiht> The device heirarchy is solely for the monitoring templates
[10-Apr-2007 18:03:53] <creiht> if you are going to monitor all the machines the same, then they can all be in the same part of the heirarchy
[10-Apr-2007 18:03:55] <Igbothom_3rd> which is a powerful advantage Zenoss has, to my way of thinking
[10-Apr-2007 18:03:58] <creiht> yes
[10-Apr-2007 18:04:08] <creiht> A better way you might organize it is
[10-Apr-2007 18:04:24] <dan__t> I like it.
[10-Apr-2007 18:04:51] <creiht> /devices/Server/Linux/Web
[10-Apr-2007 18:05:00] <creiht> /devices/Server/Linux/DB
[10-Apr-2007 18:05:20] <creiht> or something like that as you will most likely want to monitor them differently
[10-Apr-2007 18:05:51] <Igbothom_3rd> as we will be running this to monitor multiple clients, we'll have /devices/ClientName/Server and /devices/ClientName/Desktops, etc
[10-Apr-2007 18:05:55] <creiht> But for the meantime you can put them in the same place, until you have a good reason to do otherwise
[10-Apr-2007 18:06:16] <creiht> Also remember that you have groups to do things like that as well
[10-Apr-2007 18:06:38] <Igbothom_3rd> yup - that will be used for "Servers" and "Desktops SLA1", "Desktops-SLA2" etc
[10-Apr-2007 18:06:41] <creiht> You can have heirarchies of groups for logical distinctions where the monitoring template doesn't change
[10-Apr-2007 18:07:11] <Igbothom_3rd> yeah, I need to look at what will be monitoring templates and what will be groups
[10-Apr-2007 18:07:22] <creiht> But then again... Zenoss is flexible enough to let you do it however you want to
[10-Apr-2007 18:07:38] <Igbothom_3rd> ('cept I cannot get zenwin working)
[10-Apr-2007 18:08:11] <creiht> I haven't needed to do that yet
[10-Apr-2007 18:08:17] <creiht> But I hear it can be a little difficult
[10-Apr-2007 18:08:19] <Igbothom_3rd> and as 95% of these client PCs run Windows...
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:08] <Igbothom_3rd> the documentation is severely lacking and when I get this working, I want to update the zenwin documentation
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:08] <dan__t> I split them by OS, because we have some ancient FreeBSD machines
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:17] <dan__t> and snmp behaves 'differently' on them.
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:29] <creiht> cool
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:35] <Igbothom_3rd> our ancient (5.x) freebsd machine got upgraded to 6.1 a couple of months back
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:36] <dan__t> not really
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:36] <dan__t> heh
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:39] <creiht> hehe
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:43] <dan__t> we have some 4.8's around
[10-Apr-2007 18:09:54] <Igbothom_3rd> wow
[10-Apr-2007 18:10:04] <dan__t> good thing the guys who made some software for us back in the day, made everything pretty much static, and spewed it all over
[10-Apr-2007 18:16:52] <dan__t> hmm
[10-Apr-2007 18:18:20] <baffle> We have FreeBSD 3.2 still in production.
[10-Apr-2007 18:18:40] <baffle> Or, maybe it was 3.4.
[10-Apr-2007 18:20:51] <dan__t> heheh
[10-Apr-2007 18:21:00] <dan__t> these things are only internal now, I won't let them out on the 'net.
[10-Apr-2007 18:21:19] <Igbothom_3rd> god no
[10-Apr-2007 18:21:56] <Igbothom_3rd> (oops, sorry, I should have said "nonexistent mythical being for whom we should thank for the recent holidays, no")
[10-Apr-2007 18:23:57] <dan__t> hahahaha.
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[10-Apr-2007 22:04:50] <illsci> hey anyone alive...
[10-Apr-2007 22:05:19] <illsci> i was wondering if the snmp discovery connects to localhost on the box running zenoss
[10-Apr-2007 22:05:28] <illsci> or if it trys to connect to the dns name entered for the device
[10-Apr-2007 22:05:41] <illsci> my first device is the zenoss box itself
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[10-Apr-2007 22:17:11] <Snake-Eyes> illsci, you can use the 127.0.0.1 and it will detect the host name via snmp
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[10-Apr-2007 22:24:17] <WinAdmin> hi
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[10-Apr-2007 22:36:00] <illsci> hmm
[10-Apr-2007 22:36:08] <illsci> my status page is pretty blank
[10-Apr-2007 22:36:18] <illsci> im probably missing something...
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[11-Apr-2007 04:34:59] <Flo> hi, I'm just trying to install zenoss 1.1.1 on debian etch and having a problem while running ./install.sh
[11-Apr-2007 04:35:29] <Flo> after setting the pw for the zenoss admin user, I get the error: unable to find the "patch" program
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[11-Apr-2007 04:36:59] <Flo> I could only find this error in an old irc log, where someone had the same problem, and solved it by installing the patch, but I wonder wich patch is required
[11-Apr-2007 04:37:34] <Flo> I didn't saw any refernce to this in the docs or faq
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[11-Apr-2007 08:40:56] <jp10558> Does anyone know if Zenoss can monitor Linux daemons like Zenwin can monitor windows services
[11-Apr-2007 08:45:03] <jshadow> theres a python script that can export process info
[11-Apr-2007 08:54:52] <jp10558> So I have to run something else on the linux machines then, SNMP doesn't do it
[11-Apr-2007 08:54:52] <jp10558> ok
[11-Apr-2007 08:55:24] <jshadow> correct, it's zenplugin.py, theres something about it in the wiki I think
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[11-Apr-2007 09:20:59] <jshadow> is there a way to monitor a specific custom snmp value without graphing it? Like adding a section to the OS tab or something similair
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[11-Apr-2007 11:22:27] <jreese> jshadow: yes
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[11-Apr-2007 11:25:00] <jshadow> excellent, could you give me an idea of how to do this?
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[11-Apr-2007 11:42:08] <jp10558> Does Zenoss support external authentication for users?
[11-Apr-2007 11:52:05] <jshadow> jp10558, yes, http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowTowLDAPAuthentication
[11-Apr-2007 11:52:05] <adytum-bot> Title: HowTowLDAPAuthentication - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[11-Apr-2007 12:01:07] <chet> jshadow: What kind of data are you looking to display?
[11-Apr-2007 12:04:27] <jshadow> I have carp status exporting on an openbsd box, it's a boolean value, and I just want to monitor it for a change
[11-Apr-2007 12:04:53] <jshadow> I would prefer it to show up as a field on the os page, instead of needing a large graph
[11-Apr-2007 12:06:54] <chet> How are you exporting it, SNMP?
[11-Apr-2007 12:07:00] <jshadow> correct
[11-Apr-2007 12:07:29] <chet> Are you extending NetSNMP to do it, or is this something that's built into NetSNMP?
[11-Apr-2007 12:08:09] <jshadow> theres a patch out for openbsds net-snmp, using that
[11-Apr-2007 12:08:24] <chet> Cool.. could you do an snmpget of the OID and paste the result in here?
[11-Apr-2007 12:08:35] <chet> zenoss can be picky about the return types.
[11-Apr-2007 12:15:06] <jshadow> ok actually it looks like the one I really want is a string
[11-Apr-2007 12:15:17] <jshadow> snmpget -v2c -c public fondue1 OPENBSD-CARP-MIB::carpIfState.1
[11-Apr-2007 12:15:17] <jshadow> OPENBSD-CARP-MIB::carpIfState.1 = INTEGER: backup(1)
[11-Apr-2007 12:15:34] <chet> Ah.. no, an integer thank goodness.
[11-Apr-2007 12:15:39] <jshadow> ah ok
[11-Apr-2007 12:15:51] <chet> Can you grab one from the active?
[11-Apr-2007 12:16:15] <jshadow> OPENBSD-CARP-MIB::carpIfState.1 = INTEGER: master(2)
[11-Apr-2007 12:19:43] <chet> The easier way to do this would be use a performance template and set a threshold on it.
[11-Apr-2007 12:20:18] <chet> You'd want to copy the ethernetCsmacd to the device and add the CARP data sources to it
[11-Apr-2007 12:20:36] <chet> Set your thresholds to min=1 max=1
[11-Apr-2007 12:20:53] <jshadow> great, ok I think I can figure that out. Thanks
[11-Apr-2007 12:20:54] <chet> Hmm.. no, this would still be a crappy solution.
[11-Apr-2007 12:20:57] <jshadow> oh?
[11-Apr-2007 12:21:10] <chet> Your backup interface would constantly be in alarm.
[11-Apr-2007 12:21:33] <chet> brb..
[11-Apr-2007 12:21:41] <jshadow> k
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[11-Apr-2007 12:30:10] <jreese> jshadow: you'll have to make a datacollector plugin, a zenmodel, a zenmodel skin, and modify the os tab template
[11-Apr-2007 12:30:25] <jreese> i'll get you more info after lunch, meeting up with some friends
[11-Apr-2007 12:30:29] <jreese> it's pretty easy though
[11-Apr-2007 12:30:46] <jshadow> jreese: ok, thanks
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[11-Apr-2007 12:52:07] <chet> jreese has a different definition of easy than most people..
[11-Apr-2007 12:52:21] <jshadow> heh
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[11-Apr-2007 13:28:41] <dan__t> hrm....
[11-Apr-2007 13:29:11] <dan__t> Where should I investigate erroneous reports, for instance, I get a warning here: Utilization 75 perc threshold of 937500.0 exceeded: current value 1043300.49
[11-Apr-2007 13:29:16] <dan__t> I know for a fact, this is not correct.
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[11-Apr-2007 13:56:02] <chet> dan__t: You know the current value isn't 1043300.49?
[11-Apr-2007 13:56:24] <dan__t> Well, yeah?
[11-Apr-2007 13:56:32] <dan__t> Same reason I don't have 902174124 gigs of RAM I guess?
[11-Apr-2007 13:58:55] <chet> What's the bandwidth of the interface?
[11-Apr-2007 14:14:36] <dan__t> Erm sorry I cut off the "CPU" part in the front
[11-Apr-2007 14:14:58] <dan__t> uh nevermind, I read it completely wrong.
[11-Apr-2007 14:15:00] <dan__t> damn.
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[11-Apr-2007 14:15:15] <cdillardhsp> Hola zenoss folks
[11-Apr-2007 14:15:21] <dan__t> wordup, g.
[11-Apr-2007 14:15:40] <cdillardhsp> yo, I got some serious issues with Zenoss as of last night.
[11-Apr-2007 14:16:40] <cdillardhsp> zenoss has been running for over a month. Last night I get a ton of emails telling me hosts are down and services are down. I check and they're up. Now I get "Lost connection to zenoss" on the dashboard. Anyone seen this before? Using zenoss 1.1.1
[11-Apr-2007 14:17:38] <cdillardhsp> now it is just sending out mail after mail: host down, host up, host down, host up
[11-Apr-2007 14:17:43] <cdillardhsp> this is nutz
[11-Apr-2007 14:18:51] <jreese> chet: well it's easy after you spend the hours figuring it out
[11-Apr-2007 14:19:23] <creiht> cdillardhsp: Have you tried stopping and restarting zenoss?
[11-Apr-2007 14:20:14] <cdillardhsp> creiht: yes, checked database user perms, restarted zenoss a few times. Stopped zenoss, stopped mysql, started mysql, started zenoss
[11-Apr-2007 14:20:15] <creiht> And are you monitoring many processes on those boxes?
[11-Apr-2007 14:20:30] <cdillardhsp> yes
[11-Apr-2007 14:20:43] <creiht> Try stopping zenoss
[11-Apr-2007 14:20:51] <creiht> after it has stopped
[11-Apr-2007 14:20:59] <creiht> check if there are any rogue processes running
[11-Apr-2007 14:21:06] <creiht> for zenoss
[11-Apr-2007 14:21:17] <creiht> most likely the zenprocess daemon
[11-Apr-2007 14:21:22] <creiht> If it is, kill it
[11-Apr-2007 14:21:27] <creiht> And then restart zenoss
[11-Apr-2007 14:21:43] <creiht> I'm not sure if it is the same, but I have a similar issue periodically
[11-Apr-2007 14:21:55] <creiht> There is a bug with zenprocess
[11-Apr-2007 14:22:05] <creiht> Which hopefully will be fixed the next releae
[11-Apr-2007 14:23:03] <cdillardhsp> no rogue processes running. and I've rebooted so not sure what the problem is
[11-Apr-2007 14:23:21] <cdillardhsp> only change yesterday was adding two mysql servers as devices in zenoss
[11-Apr-2007 14:25:37] <cdillardhsp> I have noticed that zenoss seems to send out warnings and alerts about hosts/services that are not down. Then, almost immediately afterwards, zenoss sends a CLEAR notice
[11-Apr-2007 14:25:41] <cdillardhsp> very odd behavior
[11-Apr-2007 14:26:08] <cdillardhsp> all I know is that zenoss is now unusable and this stinks
[11-Apr-2007 14:27:11] <cdillardhsp> also getting heartbeat failures for zenoss procs
[11-Apr-2007 14:27:40] <cdillardhsp> should be noted that my zenoss box has dual nics in it ... that shouldn't be a problem though right?
[11-Apr-2007 14:29:53] <jshadow> jreese: are you available to give me a little run down of how I would go about adding the carp check to the os page?
[11-Apr-2007 14:30:02] <jreese> yeah, i'm getting it all together right now
[11-Apr-2007 14:30:12] <jshadow> oh great, thanks much
[11-Apr-2007 14:43:31] <creiht> cdillardhsp: Something isn't right if that is happening all the time
[11-Apr-2007 14:43:45] <creiht> Are you sure you don't have any network connectivity issues?
[11-Apr-2007 14:43:59] <cdillardhsp> I'm sure
[11-Apr-2007 14:44:23] <creiht> If you have network connectivity issues then it can be chatty
[11-Apr-2007 14:44:27] <cdillardhsp> I can tell you that zenoss will alert about http being down on a device. I can immediately hit port 80 on that device
[11-Apr-2007 14:44:44] <creiht> from the poller, or from the desktop?
[11-Apr-2007 14:44:49] <creiht> err your desktop
[11-Apr-2007 14:44:50] <cdillardhsp> right now, I'm more concerned that I have this "lost connection to zenoss" issue
[11-Apr-2007 14:44:54] <cdillardhsp> from either
[11-Apr-2007 14:45:11] <dan__t> Is there a simple quick and dirty to get a perf view in Zenoss, something akin to Cacti's "Graphs" section?
[11-Apr-2007 14:45:31] <creiht> dan__t: The perf tab on a device?
[11-Apr-2007 14:45:47] <Igbothom_III> any zenwin users here today (hi creight)
[11-Apr-2007 14:45:54] <dan__t> Ideally I'd have an expanded tree view
[11-Apr-2007 14:45:57] <creiht> cdillardhsp: If you get that message, then pieces of zenoss are not running
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:08] <dan__t> I can click on the pref tab of each device, sure, but the process can be tedious
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:18] <creiht> cdillardhsp: log into the box, and run $ZENHOME/bin/zenoss status
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:21] <dan__t> I just want a general overview of perf
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:22] <chet> cdillardhsp: That messages indicates specifically that Zope can't communicate with MySQL.
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:49] <cdillardhsp> creiht:[root@rdumon1 ZenEvents]# /etc/init.d/zenoss status
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:49] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zeoctl program running; pid=10565
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:49] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zopectl program running; pid=10569
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:49] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenxevent program running; pid=10574
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:49] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenmodeler program running; pid=10583
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:49] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenperfsnmp program running; pid=10592
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:51] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenperfxmlrpc program running; pid=10609
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:53] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenprocess program running; pid=10744
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:55] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenping program running; pid=10858
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:57] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zensyslog program running; pid=10959
[11-Apr-2007 14:46:59] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenstatus program running; pid=11089
[11-Apr-2007 14:47:01] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zenactions program running; pid=11180
[11-Apr-2007 14:47:03] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zentrap program running; pid=11310
[11-Apr-2007 14:47:05] <cdillardhsp> Daemon: zencommand program running; pid=11456
[11-Apr-2007 14:47:07] <cdillardhsp> all procs running
[11-Apr-2007 14:47:26] <creiht> cdillardhsp: Check the error logs in $zenhome/log to see if there is anything that stands out
[11-Apr-2007 14:47:31] <chet> Igbothom_III: I use zenwin.
[11-Apr-2007 14:47:46] <creiht> cdillardhsp: Is Mysql running on the same box or on a different box?
[11-Apr-2007 14:48:13] <cdillardhsp> same box and I can login using the local mysql client like this: mysql -u zenoss -p zenoss events
[11-Apr-2007 14:48:14] <Igbothom_III> chet, cool, I'm trying to, the services load in W2K3, no errors, but Zenoss cannot see the zenwin system
[11-Apr-2007 14:48:39] <cdillardhsp> creiht: which of the logs should I check?
[11-Apr-2007 14:48:41] <chet> cdillardhsp: What about mysql -h localhost -u zenoss -p events
[11-Apr-2007 14:49:06] <cdillardhsp> yep, that works too
[11-Apr-2007 14:49:11] <chet> Igbothom_III: What do you mean Zenoss can't see it?
[11-Apr-2007 14:49:43] <chet> Go the the Event Manager and make sure the MySQL settings match what you're using.
[11-Apr-2007 14:49:46] <Igbothom_III> chet, I *think* I got the passwords and config files right, but the docs are seriously lacking wrt zenwin config - when I get this working, I'll help rewrite them
[11-Apr-2007 14:50:00] <Igbothom_III> hang on, re-loading the VMWare guest running Zenoss
[11-Apr-2007 14:50:54] <creiht> cdillardhsp: all of them
[11-Apr-2007 14:51:00] <creiht> but first I would look at zeo.log
[11-Apr-2007 14:51:05] <creiht> and Z2.log
[11-Apr-2007 14:51:07] <cdillardhsp> looking for database issues???
[11-Apr-2007 14:51:22] <creiht> Looking for any errors
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[11-Apr-2007 14:51:34] <creiht> You describe several issues going on
[11-Apr-2007 14:51:41] <creiht> Just trying to help debug what is going on
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[11-Apr-2007 14:51:53] <cdillardhsp> I know, and I thank you!
[11-Apr-2007 14:52:13] <creiht> I'm sure it is something simple
[11-Apr-2007 14:53:26] <cdillardhsp> you say that the 'lost connection to zenoss' is specifically a database issue right?
[11-Apr-2007 14:53:43] <creiht> cdillardhsp: chet said that... I'm not entirely sure
[11-Apr-2007 14:53:45] <chet> cdillardhsp: Has always been in my experience.
[11-Apr-2007 14:54:40] <cdillardhsp> well wtf ... the db is running and accepting connections. Could it be because my zenoss server is low on memory, and slightly into swap?
[11-Apr-2007 14:55:01] <creiht> If it starts swapping a lot that can cause polling isses
[11-Apr-2007 14:55:06] <creiht> As polls don't finish in time
[11-Apr-2007 14:55:22] <Igbothom_III> cnet, where are the mysql user/pass used with zenwin - there's only a zopeusername and zopepassword, and these are set to the "manager" account I created for myself in the Zenoss interface
[11-Apr-2007 14:55:23] <chet> I don't think that'd cause your "lost connection" error though.
[11-Apr-2007 14:56:01] <chet> Igbothom_III: They are set in the "Event Manager" section of the web interface.
[11-Apr-2007 14:56:03] <cdillardhsp> chet: any recommendations to solve that problem?
[11-Apr-2007 14:56:04] <Igbothom_III> (I'm using the VMWare guest on the zenoss site, btw, to trial this
[11-Apr-2007 14:56:37] <tessier> Does Zenoss integrate Nagios or does it implement its own monitoring system?
[11-Apr-2007 14:56:56] <Igbothom_III> chet, so, the zopeusername and password are the mysql usernamre and password?
[11-Apr-2007 14:57:14] <chet> cdillardhsp: Make sure you have these tables [alert_state,detail,heartbeat,history,log,status] and that you can select a record from each.
[11-Apr-2007 14:57:16] <creiht> cdillardhsp: Try this in the log volder
[11-Apr-2007 14:57:18] <creiht> tail -n 100 * | grep -i error
[11-Apr-2007 14:57:28] <creiht> And see what pops up
[11-Apr-2007 14:57:35] <chet> Igbothom_III: No, zopeusername and password are the zope admin username and password.
[11-Apr-2007 14:57:42] <chet> Igbothom_III: MySQL is something else entirely.
[11-Apr-2007 14:57:52] <creiht> If it is having db issues, then it there should be a lot of errors
[11-Apr-2007 14:58:47] <creiht> If it is something else, then there should be errors describing what is wrong
[11-Apr-2007 14:59:07] <cdillardhsp> 2007-04-05T14:56:54 ERROR Zope.SiteErrorLog http://rdumon1.rpstechnology.com:8080/zport/dmd/ZenEventManager/eventFields
[11-Apr-2007 14:59:07] <cdillardhsp> 2007-04-01T03:18:55 ERROR RenderServer failed generating summary
[11-Apr-2007 14:59:07] <Igbothom_III> and by zope, do you mean the zenoss interface username and password? There is no mention of zope anywhere on the zenoss side
[11-Apr-2007 14:59:17] <creiht> cdillardhsp: Is that all?
[11-Apr-2007 14:59:57] <bzed> Igbothom_III: didn't you realize that zenoss is a zope application?
[11-Apr-2007 14:59:59] <cdillardhsp> nah, there are tons of errors related to rrd files but these two lines looked interesting
[11-Apr-2007 15:00:18] <chet> Igbothom_III: Zope is the web/application server that Zenoss runs in. Perhaps if you say why you're asking these questions we could explain it to you more adequately.
[11-Apr-2007 15:00:19] <creiht> I doubt that is an issue
[11-Apr-2007 15:00:36] <creiht> try
[11-Apr-2007 15:00:46] <creiht> tail -n 100 * | grep -i error | grep -v -i rrd
[11-Apr-2007 15:00:50] <Igbothom_III> chet, yes, I'd read that, but what's the difference between a zope username and password and the username and password that I created in the zenoss interface to login with
[11-Apr-2007 15:01:33] <chet> Zenoss is only an application that runs within the application server. It is quite possible to admin the application server with one username/password and admin the Zenoss application with another.
[11-Apr-2007 15:01:58] <Igbothom_III> aha - then any idea what the zope username and password are in the VMWare guest?
[11-Apr-2007 15:02:05] <tessier> Anyone know if Zenoss integrates the Nagios code or does it implement it's own monitoring system?
[11-Apr-2007 15:02:14] <chet> Igbothom_III: Hmm.. admin/zenoss I think
[11-Apr-2007 15:02:19] <creiht> tessier: It is its own monitoring system
[11-Apr-2007 15:02:26] <creiht> That can run Nagios plugins
[11-Apr-2007 15:03:24] <tessier> creiht: Ah, ok. Thanks,
[11-Apr-2007 15:03:27] <cdillardhsp> what about this one? 2007-04-11 14:34:28 WARNING ZEO.zrpc: (8870) CW: error connecting to ('localhost', 8100): ECONNREFUSED
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:00] <jreese> jshadow, pm me
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:02] <creiht> cdillardhsp: ok now we are getting somewhere
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:10] <cdillardhsp>
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:22] <creiht> are there any others like that? and is it in there a lot?
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:54] <cdillardhsp> there are several of those plus several of these:
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:54] <cdillardhsp> 2007-04-11 13:50:31 ERROR zen.Events: (2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)")
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:54] <cdillardhsp> OperationalError: (2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)")
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:54] <cdillardhsp> 2007-04-11 13:50:31 ERROR zen.ZenTrap: (2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)")
[11-Apr-2007 15:04:54] <cdillardhsp> 2007-04-11 13:50:31 ERROR zen.Events: (2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)")
[11-Apr-2007 15:05:09] <creiht> ok
[11-Apr-2007 15:05:12] <cdillardhsp> yet, I can connect to the db server
[11-Apr-2007 15:05:55] <Igbothom_III> chet, ok, so I removed the "server" device I had, changed the user/pass in the zenwin config files to "admin/zenoss", tried to re-add the "server" computer as per the zenwin readme, and get an error message stating that "no snmp found for ip = 192.168.69.2"
[11-Apr-2007 15:06:39] <creiht> cdillardhsp: Well it appears for some reason Zenoss can't... let me find the link where you can check the login params for MySQL that zenoss is using
[11-Apr-2007 15:08:28] <creiht> cdillardhsp: go to
[11-Apr-2007 15:08:33] <creiht> /zport/dmd/ZenEventManager/manage_propertiesForm
[11-Apr-2007 15:08:38] <creiht> on your zenoss server
[11-Apr-2007 15:08:45] <creiht> through html
[11-Apr-2007 15:08:54] <creiht> so http:/myserver/zport/dmd/ZenEventManager/manage_propertiesForm
[11-Apr-2007 15:09:12] <cdillardhsp> yep
[11-Apr-2007 15:09:13] <creiht> That will show the username password, and host that it is using to connect to mysql
[11-Apr-2007 15:09:22] <creiht> does that look correct?
[11-Apr-2007 15:09:30] <cdillardhsp> yep
[11-Apr-2007 15:09:34] <cdillardhsp> default username and password
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:25] <creiht> and the host is set to 127.0.0.1
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:27] <creiht> ?
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:32] <cdillardhsp> yes
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:37] <creiht> hrmm
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:43] <cdillardhsp> indeed
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:45] <creiht> Well for some reason it is failing to connect
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:52] <cdillardhsp> I agree
[11-Apr-2007 15:10:58] <creiht> Any iptables?
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[11-Apr-2007 15:11:23] <cdillardhsp> as we're talking, I have noticed that my remote MySQL Administrator session has lost connection once and I had to reconnect
[11-Apr-2007 15:11:32] <Igbothom_III> chet, when I run the "python zenwin.py -C etc\zenwin.cfg" command on the Windows box in a cmd shell, it seems to run, but as there's no information in the zenwin readme as to what I should expect to see in the output, I don't (can't) tell if this is working properly
[11-Apr-2007 15:11:51] <creiht> hrmm
[11-Apr-2007 15:11:59] <creiht> Unfortunatelly I have to run to a meeting
[11-Apr-2007 15:12:08] <cdillardhsp> no prob, thanks man
[11-Apr-2007 15:12:13] <creiht> (I have a real job to do as well
)[11-Apr-2007 15:12:15] <pbaumgartner> i'm new to zenoss and snmp in general. are there any good resources on building snmpd.conf files out there on the intarweb?
[11-Apr-2007 15:12:18] <cdillardhsp> I will try and figure out what the deal is
[11-Apr-2007 15:12:23] <cdillardhsp> lots of help
[11-Apr-2007 15:12:25] <cdillardhsp> thanks!
[11-Apr-2007 15:14:25] <chet> cdillardhsp: I'd redo the MySQL grants and flush privileges to be sure..
[11-Apr-2007 15:14:49] <chet> cdillardhsp: grant all privileges on events.* to zenoss@'127.0.0.1' identified by password 'thepassword';
[11-Apr-2007 15:14:53] <chet> cdillardhsp: flush privileges;
[11-Apr-2007 15:14:55] <cdillardhsp> yes, I've actually tried that. Would have been: grant all on events.* to
[11-Apr-2007 15:14:57] <cdillardhsp> yes...
[11-Apr-2007 15:14:59] <cdillardhsp> you beat me to it
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[11-Apr-2007 15:15:35] <chet> hmm.. try taking any special characters out of the password.
[11-Apr-2007 15:15:54] <Igbothom_III> mysql passwords have a rather limited character set available
[11-Apr-2007 15:16:02] <chet> Igbothom_III: Is the SNMP service running and configured properly on your Zenwin server?
[11-Apr-2007 15:16:39] <Igbothom_III> apparently not, but what info do these need? (not used snmp before, followed the limited docs, appears to be right, but obviously isn't)
[11-Apr-2007 15:16:57] <chet> Igbothom_III: What type of Windows is it?
[11-Apr-2007 15:17:06] <Igbothom_III> W2K3
[11-Apr-2007 15:17:17] <Igbothom_III> loaded the SNMP on it (Windows' snmp, that is)
[11-Apr-2007 15:17:22] <chet> Do you have an "SNMP" service, is it running?
[11-Apr-2007 15:17:27] <Igbothom_III> yup
[11-Apr-2007 15:17:37] <chet> Go to the service's properties and setup your access.
[11-Apr-2007 15:17:41] <chet> Then restart it.
[11-Apr-2007 15:17:55] <Igbothom_III> done
[11-Apr-2007 15:18:06] <chet> I think W2K3 defaults to only allowing localhost to poll it.
[11-Apr-2007 15:18:25] <Igbothom_III> that's what I'm unsure of - I have set the properties before, but Zenoss won't see it
[11-Apr-2007 15:18:34] <Igbothom_III> nah, I added the zenoss IP
[11-Apr-2007 15:18:47] <Igbothom_III> and set trap destination to the zenoss IP
[11-Apr-2007 15:18:51] <chet> Is there any firewall software running on the Windows server?
[11-Apr-2007 15:19:11] <Igbothom_III> yes (always is) - I'll check it...
[11-Apr-2007 15:19:29] <chet> Your zenoss system will need to access it on port 161/udp.
[11-Apr-2007 15:19:37] <Igbothom_III> k, looking into that...
[11-Apr-2007 15:40:48] <jp10558> Anyone using Zenoss with dual core XP machines? I'm seeing odd results for CPU performance with the SNMP Informant install
[11-Apr-2007 15:42:36] <jp10558> nevermind, it seems to be clearing up
[11-Apr-2007 15:44:10] <Igbothom_III> chet, just checked - single NIC W2K3 server running RRAS (no ISA) has all ports available, so, no, there's no firewall running
[11-Apr-2007 15:53:59] <Igbothom_III> ok, just tried to "snmpwalk" the VMWare guest and it failed... anyone got a commandling to have this work? I tried "snmpwalk -Os -c public 192.168.69.24"
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[11-Apr-2007 15:57:32] <Igbothom_III> (trying to get a commandline string that will work on the VMWare guest so I can check my W2K3 Server)
[11-Apr-2007 16:02:32] <Igbothom_III> ok - smnpwalk -On -v 1 localhost -c public <-- that works on the Zenoss box - good start
[11-Apr-2007 16:03:28] <Igbothom_III> and fails on the W2K3 box - "Timeout: No Response from 192.168.69.2"
[11-Apr-2007 16:10:00] <Igbothom_III> damn - that command fails to run on snmpwalk from net-snmp tools for Windows
[11-Apr-2007 16:16:43] <jp10558> Could you use tembria SNMP browser?
[11-Apr-2007 16:17:01] <Igbothom_III> googlign
[11-Apr-2007 16:18:54] <Igbothom_III> ok - it comes up with "unable to connect to host using snmp - and that's on the box itself (W2K3 Server)
[11-Apr-2007 16:19:20] <Igbothom_III> but it sees the Zenoss VMWare guest without issue
[11-Apr-2007 16:19:21] <jp10558> sounds like SNMP isn't running right then
[11-Apr-2007 16:19:29] <Igbothom_III> damn straight it does!
[11-Apr-2007 16:19:38] <Igbothom_III> thanks for the link - nice util
[11-Apr-2007 16:23:22] <Igbothom_III> that did the trick - in the Windows snmp service config, you need to list its own IP if you want to see it - not just localhost! (Weird, but Microsoft)
[11-Apr-2007 16:25:14] <Igbothom_III> woohoo - thanks jp10558 that seems to have been the thing I needed to get this sorted as Zenoss now sees my Windows box
[11-Apr-2007 16:26:47] <Igbothom_III> now I'll let it sit for 30 min or so and see if it gathers data from it
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[11-Apr-2007 17:45:51] <Igbothom_III> chet, jp10558 pointed me in the right direction - snmp was running fine, but with the help of the Tembria SNMP Browser I determined that I needed the Windows server's IP in its list of allowed hosts, as well as localhost and the Zenoss box before it would work - working fine now
[11-Apr-2007 17:46:38] <Igbothom_III> other than that, no changes to the config I had were necessary
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[11-Apr-2007 18:07:08] <chet> weird, I only have my zenoss server's fqdn in there on my windows servers.
[11-Apr-2007 18:07:40] <chet> and I have a mix of NT4, 2k and 2k3..
[11-Apr-2007 18:13:05] <Igbothom_III> yeah, I agree - totally not what I expected. I'll do another one ina VMWare guest and see exactly what's needed, then document it and update the docs on the website
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[11-Apr-2007 18:23:59] <funraps__> hello
[11-Apr-2007 18:24:18] <funraps__> can anyone offer support on install using rpm pon centos 4.4
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[11-Apr-2007 20:43:06] <v_> hi.
[11-Apr-2007 20:44:03] <chet> Hi, v_
[11-Apr-2007 20:44:16] <v_> life!
[11-Apr-2007 20:44:28] <v_> how you doing?
[11-Apr-2007 20:45:08] <v_> i ran across an ad for zenoss on the rrdtool website today, followed the link.
[11-Apr-2007 20:45:17] <v_> i haven't downloaded yet, but i plan to try it out tomorrow.
[11-Apr-2007 20:45:24] <v_> usin nagios for monitoring currently.
[11-Apr-2007 20:45:30] <v_> g key sticks
[11-Apr-2007 20:45:42] <chet> Cool.. most people here are coming from Nagios.
[11-Apr-2007 20:45:44] <chet> Including me.
[11-Apr-2007 20:50:21] <v_> i liked what i saw on the website.
[11-Apr-2007 20:51:09] <v_> and it would be nice to have something truly configurable via a web interface
[11-Apr-2007 21:08:04] <v_> will zenoss compile/install fine on debian or ubuntu?
[11-Apr-2007 21:09:14] <v_> if i use it in production it'll be on current CentOS, but I have some personal boxes that run Debian and Ubuntu that I was thinking of trying it out on as well
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[11-Apr-2007 21:22:46] <chet> Yeah, plenty of people are running on Debian.
[11-Apr-2007 21:23:26] <Igbothom_III> quick Q - will zenoss monitor *any* managed switch?
[11-Apr-2007 21:24:35] <Igbothom_III> I'm looking at installing a Linksys SRW-2024 to replace the dodgey Alloy switch that seems to be having issues
[11-Apr-2007 21:24:45] <chet> Igbothom_III: As long as it it supports the IF-MIB via SNMP.. I haven't seen one that doesn't.
[11-Apr-2007 21:24:51] <Igbothom_III> and being able to monitor port usage, bandwidth and so on would be great
[11-Apr-2007 21:25:03] <Igbothom_III> cool
[11-Apr-2007 21:25:11] <Igbothom_III> (as you can tell, I'm an snmp-newbie)
[11-Apr-2007 21:25:25] <chet> Igbothom_III: That'll have to change. =}
[11-Apr-2007 21:25:35] <Igbothom_III> I intend for it to change
[11-Apr-2007 21:25:49] <chet> Just remember.. the S stand for simple.
[11-Apr-2007 21:25:54] <Igbothom_III> yeah
[11-Apr-2007 21:26:23] <Igbothom_III> the MIBs (well, OIDs) are the bit that makes it NOT look simple, but they are really just strings of numbers
[11-Apr-2007 21:26:59] <Igbothom_III> ok, I know you won't know, but I gather Zenoss will be able to see if PoE is being used on a managed PoE switch such as their SRW-2024P
[11-Apr-2007 21:27:23] <Igbothom_III> and do you recommend using the "public" community for all Zenoss monitored devices?
[11-Apr-2007 21:28:09] <Igbothom_III> (aka, how do you change the community Zenoss listens to for a particular device, site, network, etc)
[11-Apr-2007 21:28:23] <Igbothom_III> I'm looking forward to Zenoss btw
[11-Apr-2007 21:28:26] <chet> Generally people will tell you to change your community to something else.. it will at least dissuade casual miscreants.
[11-Apr-2007 21:28:50] <Igbothom_III> yeah, even is "public" is read only, well, it is read-only
[11-Apr-2007 21:28:51] <chet> You can give it a list to try under the zProperties for the root /Devices tree.
[11-Apr-2007 21:28:58] <Igbothom_III> too easy to snoop if you get access
[11-Apr-2007 21:29:04] <Igbothom_III> excellent, thanks
[11-Apr-2007 21:29:06] <chet> It'll try each one in order on a device until one works.. then it remembers the correct one per device.
[11-Apr-2007 21:29:14] <Igbothom_III> that's nice
[11-Apr-2007 21:29:35] <chet> Igbothom_III: It doesn't support any type of PoE monitoring out of the box.
[11-Apr-2007 21:29:54] <Igbothom_III> bummer, but I gather that's scriptable
[11-Apr-2007 21:33:51] <chet> yeah, assuming the device makes it available.
[11-Apr-2007 21:34:17] <Igbothom_III> cool - that's where Google and the spaniards come in handy - and something like snmpwalk, I'd imagine
[11-Apr-2007 21:35:50] <chet> I'm looking at the data sheet for that Linksys switch. It has outstanding SNMP support.
[11-Apr-2007 21:38:54] <chet> It even mentions that it has its own private MIB extension for PoE data
[11-Apr-2007 21:46:03] <bzed> chet: a lot of linksys switches are cisco products. you can manage to install a small version of IOS on some of them, but as far as I remember the flash is not as big as on the original cisco models, so you wanna make sure that the ios fits on the switch before trying to flash it
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[12-Apr-2007 06:57:28] <Heebie> Hi. I need to try and migrate my data from the system running my pilot of Zenoss (up for about 8 months) to the vmware appliance. Any idea on how I can move the data?
[12-Apr-2007 06:58:11] <Heebie> Also.. the Zenoss appliance seems to lose-track of it's heartbeat and such as soon as I give the machine real network information. (a hostname, /etc/resolv.conf and static IP address.) Any ideas on why this is?
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[12-Apr-2007 07:12:05] <claros> Hi
[12-Apr-2007 07:12:30] <claros> Can we add a Device Class Path to zenoss?
[12-Apr-2007 07:18:37] <Heebie> Yes. You can do it from the add device dialog.. there's a spot to create a new class... you just type the name in the empty box next to it. I've added several on my setup.
[12-Apr-2007 07:25:10] <claros> I cannot write in Device Class path...
[12-Apr-2007 07:27:27] <claros> I can add systems, group, location but not a device class path
[12-Apr-2007 07:30:50] <Heebie> Go to "Add Device" to bring up a new device page.
[12-Apr-2007 07:31:13] <Heebie> Wait.. it's not there. Let me look a little more.
[12-Apr-2007 07:32:08] <Heebie> Go to "Devices" from the left hand side, then change to the "Classes" tab on that page.. and that has the ability to add, rename & move device classes within the device class tree.
[12-Apr-2007 07:33:24] <claros> Great! Thank You!
[12-Apr-2007 07:33:56] <claros> I've 20 Proxim bridge to add in a new class...
[12-Apr-2007 07:34:10] <claros> Thank yu again
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[12-Apr-2007 08:19:17] <Heebie> claros : You're welcome. I just hope someone can help me get my stuff migrated to my new Zenoss box.
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[12-Apr-2007 09:11:34] <jp10558> I just noticed, the source install I did didn't have localhost monitored unlike the RPM install. It looks like i have to manually configure Net-SNMP + snmpd.conf. Is there anything I ought to know before setting up localhost monitoring on a source install?
[12-Apr-2007 09:21:42] <chet> Nothing specific.. I wouldn't monitor it as localhost. You'd be better off adding it as it's actual hostname/ip.
[12-Apr-2007 09:23:30] <jp10558> ok
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[12-Apr-2007 09:32:20] <v_> jim baker got eaten by wombats!
[12-Apr-2007 09:32:31] <v_> is anyone here running zenoss in a chrooted environment?
[12-Apr-2007 09:33:45] <v_> gee, this installs a lot of stuff ( building rpm )
[12-Apr-2007 09:41:10] <chet> v_: Nope.. it has an awful lot of dependencies. Seems like it would be a lot of work.
[12-Apr-2007 09:41:22] <v_> yea.
[12-Apr-2007 09:41:41] <chet> v_: Most people are running it on a dedicated machine or virtual machine anyway, so chrooting it would be redundant.
[12-Apr-2007 09:42:27] <v_> unfortunately, I don't have a machine to dedicate to it
[12-Apr-2007 09:44:35] <v_> we're using a proprietary hosting control panel that places virtual sites in a chroot environment. i have nagios running that way now. i was going to put zenoss in another one of these sites. we'll see how it turns out.
[12-Apr-2007 09:47:55] <v_> gar, i've got to rebuild it, i forgot to modify one of the Requires: lines to reflect the centosplus mysql package name :-s
[12-Apr-2007 10:13:24] <bzed> chet: most dependencies are in the zenoss package
[12-Apr-2007 10:13:29] <bzed> you'd ahve to install it in the machine
[12-Apr-2007 10:13:44] <bzed> err in the chroot
[12-Apr-2007 10:14:02] <bzed> not sure about library paths and co, though
[12-Apr-2007 10:17:26] <bzed> I'd prefer to run it in a vserver or xen instead of trying to chroot it
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[12-Apr-2007 10:19:24] <v_> i don't really have a choice ;-s
[12-Apr-2007 10:20:13] <v_> yea, it appears that most of what it needs is under /opt/zenoss
[12-Apr-2007 10:21:11] <v_> aside from mysql libraries, which i've already got in the chroot
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[12-Apr-2007 10:22:00] <v_> 'wi
[12-Apr-2007 10:22:06] <v_> oops
[12-Apr-2007 10:22:46] <Heebie> I'm trying to use zenbackup.py to backup my zenoss isntall.. and it's running out of space on /tmp Does anyone know if there's some way for me to have it use network-based storage intead of /tmp for it's temporary files?
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[12-Apr-2007 10:39:09] <jp10558> so installing net-snmp is safe on the zenoss machine?
[12-Apr-2007 10:39:48] <creiht> jp10558: Yes
[12-Apr-2007 10:41:37] <jp10558> thanks
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[12-Apr-2007 10:58:03] <chet> Heebie: I believe it'll go wherever you set your TMPDIR environment variable.
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[12-Apr-2007 11:23:35] <v_> Am I correct when I understand that ${ZENHOME}/bin/zenoss only uses sudo when it is run as root?
[12-Apr-2007 11:23:39] <Heebie> chet : I'll try that..thanks!
[12-Apr-2007 11:24:04] <Heebie> v_ : It should use SUDO to run any processes that need unrestricted access.
[12-Apr-2007 11:24:14] <chet> v_: No.. it should always be run as the zenoss user. It uses sudo to manage zenping, zentrap and zensyslog.
[12-Apr-2007 11:24:19] <chet> yeah
[12-Apr-2007 11:24:25] <v_> oh.
[12-Apr-2007 11:24:28] <v_> hrm.
[12-Apr-2007 11:24:36] <creiht> It needs sudo access since those require restricted ports
[12-Apr-2007 11:24:47] <creiht> which only root process can access
[12-Apr-2007 11:25:14] <chet> Actually.. the whole list is zenping (for raw ICMP packets), zentrap (for port 162/udp), zensyslog (for 514/udp) and zendisc for raw ICMP packets.
[12-Apr-2007 11:25:26] <v_> ok thanks.
[12-Apr-2007 11:25:32] <chet> Then it also needs sudo to kill those processes since they are run as root.
[12-Apr-2007 11:29:38] <Heebie> chet : I don't currently have a TMPDIR environment variable. Maybe that's whyh it's going to /tmp in the first place?
[12-Apr-2007 11:29:56] <bzed> Heebie: you probably just want to read the .py file
[12-Apr-2007 11:30:39] <Heebie> bzed : It's probably whatever zip defaults to.
[12-Apr-2007 11:30:44] <bzed> chet: having sudo permissions on kill is always a bad thing imho.
[12-Apr-2007 11:30:49] <chet> Heebie: export TMPDIR=/yournetworkpath
[12-Apr-2007 11:30:59] <bzed> Heebie: zip doesn't have any defaults
[12-Apr-2007 11:31:49] <chet> bzed: Yup.. mine to, but I like the convenience of being able to stop all the processes gracefully at once.
[12-Apr-2007 11:31:53] <bzed> rootTempDir = tempfile.mkdtemp()
[12-Apr-2007 11:31:53] <bzed> tempDir = os.path.join(rootTempDir, self.BACKUP_DIR)
[12-Apr-2007 11:31:53] <bzed> os.mkdir(tempDir)
[12-Apr-2007 11:31:58] <chet> bzed: If you don't like it, it isn't necessary.
[12-Apr-2007 11:32:42] <chet> bzed: Python's tempfile module looks at the TMPDIR environment variable first to determine where to get the mkdtemp() from.
[12-Apr-2007 11:32:46] <bzed> chet: is there a stop services button somewhere hidden in zenoss?
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[12-Apr-2007 11:33:05] <chet> bzed: Not sure if it's hidden.. on the About page.
[12-Apr-2007 11:33:11] <Heebie> bzed : On the ABOUT page.
[12-Apr-2007 11:33:17] <chet> bzed: Also used for a "zenoss stop" or a "zenping stop" etc..
[12-Apr-2007 11:34:43] <v_> gar. zenoss isn't going to be able to kill the processes in the chroot.
[12-Apr-2007 11:34:49] <Heebie> mysqldump just gave me an error.
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[12-Apr-2007 11:35:04] <Heebie> (but the TMPDIR variable thing seems to have worked.)
[12-Apr-2007 11:35:12] <chet> doh..
[12-Apr-2007 11:35:23] <chet> Try setting TMPDIR, TMP and TEMP all to the same thing.
[12-Apr-2007 11:35:28] <chet> Not sure which one mysqldump will use.
[12-Apr-2007 11:35:42] <creiht> Heebie: Hrmmm... according to the code, mysqldump is sent the tempdir that it creates
[12-Apr-2007 11:35:46] <bzed> chet: I'll write a wrapper in c to do this instead of using sudo
[12-Apr-2007 11:36:15] <chet> And setuid the wrapper?
[12-Apr-2007 11:36:19] <bzed> yes
[12-Apr-2007 11:36:40] <creiht> just setuid python
[12-Apr-2007 11:36:50] <Heebie> Naughty mysqldump
[12-Apr-2007 11:36:51] <chet> I suppose it'll verify that the PID being killed is running a zenoss process?
[12-Apr-2007 11:37:30] <bzed> chet: I'd verify that the user who is runnign the script is zenoss and then execute the start/stop scripts
[12-Apr-2007 11:37:40] <chet> Isn't that exactly what sudo does?
[12-Apr-2007 11:37:54] <creiht> bzed: Not sure what is worse... another command that is setuid or havving a script run as sudo
[12-Apr-2007 11:38:18] <Heebie> That it was sudo does.. and if sudo is properly configured it shouldn't be able to run anything not specified. One could really lock that down to specific command lines.
[12-Apr-2007 11:38:52] <bzed> creiht: having sudo on python and kill is worse. with that the zenoss user could do absolutely everythogn on the system. with a wrapper around scripts, which are only writeable by root, it's much harder to do anything bad
[12-Apr-2007 11:39:06] <bzed> Heebie: sudo does not check what's you're killing
[12-Apr-2007 11:39:16] <bzed> it just let's a user execute things as root
[12-Apr-2007 11:40:01] <Heebie> bzed : You can give it specific command arguments that are allowed to executed.. it doesn't have to be allowed access to anything root can do.
[12-Apr-2007 11:40:44] <bzed> Heebie: you don't know the pid to kill before, don't you?
[12-Apr-2007 11:41:27] <Heebie> No, I suppose not.
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[12-Apr-2007 11:42:19] <bzed> again: a sudo on /bin/kill is suicide, as soon as somebody manage to own the zenoss account
[12-Apr-2007 11:42:19] <Heebie> Later all
[12-Apr-2007 11:42:31] <bzed> sudo on python is even worse
[12-Apr-2007 11:53:34] <creiht> bzed: Not going to argue there
[12-Apr-2007 11:59:43] <litein> I have recently dl the vm of zenoss. I am seeing events talking about heartbeat failure.
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[12-Apr-2007 12:14:24] <chet> litein: Heartbeat failures usually relate to problems with the various Zenoss daemons. What are you getting specifically?
[12-Apr-2007 12:17:40] <litein> I have changed the hostname and set the ip address of the box. I have added some devices. then I noticed i was those messages under infrastructure issues.
[12-Apr-2007 12:17:59] <chet> Ah.. changing the hostname will cause this problem.
[12-Apr-2007 12:18:06] <chet> Go into Event Manager and clear heartbeats.
[12-Apr-2007 12:18:17] <litein> I have cleared them.
[12-Apr-2007 12:18:37] <chet> Hmm... restart all the daemons, then clear them again.
[12-Apr-2007 12:19:04] <litein> ok I will restart them.
[12-Apr-2007 12:22:26] <litein> perfsmnp, perffxmlrpc, process, ping, command will not start back up now
[12-Apr-2007 12:25:28] <chet> Look in their logs to find out why.
[12-Apr-2007 12:27:49] <litein> 2007-04-08 04:07:06 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: Unresponsive devices: []
[12-Apr-2007 12:27:49] <litein> 2007-04-08 04:07:06 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: collected 0 of 0 devices in 0.00
[12-Apr-2007 12:27:49] <litein> 2007-04-08 04:11:17 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: no devices found, keeping existing list
[12-Apr-2007 12:28:05] <litein> 2007-04-08 04:10:41 INFO zen.zenperfxmlrpc: collected 0 of 0 devices in 0.00
[12-Apr-2007 12:28:05] <litein> 2007-04-08 04:11:10 WARNING zen.zenperfxmlrpc: no devices found, keeping existing list
[12-Apr-2007 12:29:37] <chet> Are you performance and status monitors named localhost?
[12-Apr-2007 12:29:59] <litein> no.
[12-Apr-2007 12:30:58] <chet> What are they named?
[12-Apr-2007 12:31:22] <litein> its named the same as the hostname.
[12-Apr-2007 12:32:10] <chet> And all of your devices are assigned to them?
[12-Apr-2007 12:32:55] <litein> yes
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[12-Apr-2007 12:35:01] <chet> Add a line like "monitor yourhostname" into etc/zenperfsnmp.conf then restart it. See if it collects any devices then.
[12-Apr-2007 12:37:01] <litein> yes it trying to collect now
[12-Apr-2007 12:37:32] <litein> i am now seeing these error messages
[12-Apr-2007 12:37:33] <litein> 2007-04-12 06:34:20 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error collecting data on ind_ts1, recollecting
[12-Apr-2007 12:37:33] <litein> 2007-04-12 06:34:20 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error reading value for "cpuPercentProcessorTime" on ind_ts1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.5.1.5.6.95.84.111.116.97.108 is bad)
[12-Apr-2007 12:37:33] <litein> 2007-04-12 06:34:20 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error reading value for "memoryAvailableKBytes" on ind_ts1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.2.0 is bad)
[12-Apr-2007 12:37:33] <litein> 2007-04-12 06:34:20 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error reading value for "memoryPagesPerSec" on ind_ts1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.10.0 is bad)
[12-Apr-2007 12:38:38] <litein> the other daemon still will not start.'
[12-Apr-2007 12:44:11] <litein> I am just going to restart over with the vm. I will be back if i need more help. Thanks.
[12-Apr-2007 12:49:16] <jp10558> Anyone have any idea why zensyslog would keep going down for no reason?
[12-Apr-2007 12:49:21] <jp10558> is it supposed to do that?
[12-Apr-2007 12:50:55] <chet> Someone on the mailing list had this problem and it was related to the standard syslog daemon stealing the port.
[12-Apr-2007 12:52:47] <jp10558> ahh
[12-Apr-2007 13:00:17] <illsci> hey whats the unix command to reverse the arg's... like argv or something
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[12-Apr-2007 13:00:37] <illsci> so you can do somethign like rpm -qa | grep something | somecommand rpm -e
[12-Apr-2007 13:00:52] <chet> xargs
[12-Apr-2007 13:00:59] <illsci> you're the man
[12-Apr-2007 13:01:02] <illsci> my brian is dieing
[12-Apr-2007 13:01:07] <illsci> my brain is dieing
[12-Apr-2007 13:01:13] <chet> Good thing there are plenty of Brians around.
[12-Apr-2007 13:03:06] <jp10558> So I tried accessing a test Win server 2k3 standard machine
[12-Apr-2007 13:03:10] <jp10558> w/out snmp informant
[12-Apr-2007 13:03:20] <jp10558> and I got an error with the security trap...
[12-Apr-2007 13:03:23] <jp10558> so I disabled that
[12-Apr-2007 13:04:00] <jp10558> and it seemed to work, though there were some logged errors on the collecting informanton
[12-Apr-2007 13:04:38] <jp10558> ERROR zen.SnmpClient device win2k3 plugin zenoss.snmp.InterfaceMap unexpected error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/SnmpClient.py", line 101, in collect self._tabledata[pname][tmap] = driver.next() File "/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenUtils/Driver.py", line 51, in next raise ex ProtoError: ErrorStatus: 5 ((genError) A general failure occured) at .1.3.6.1.2.1.31.1.1.1.18
[12-Apr-2007 13:04:44] <jp10558> is that a problem?
[12-Apr-2007 13:05:58] <chet> Yes. If you left the performance templates as is, and put the server under /Servers/Windows it will try to collect the SNMP-Informant data from it.
[12-Apr-2007 13:06:24] <chet> If you don't want to use SNMP-Informant, you need to remove the "Device" performance template from /Servers/Windows.
[12-Apr-2007 13:06:47] <jp10558> But then it would not do WMI collection
[12-Apr-2007 13:06:58] <jp10558> so then I NEED to have SNMP informant installed
[12-Apr-2007 13:07:00] <jp10558> ok
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[12-Apr-2007 13:07:30] <chet> WMI and SNMP-Informant do totally different things. Performance data is collected from SNMP-Informant. WMI is used to monitor eventlog and services.
[12-Apr-2007 13:09:05] <jp10558> Right, what I meant was if I remove it from /devices/server/windows, I'm guessing it won't be doing WMI polling
[12-Apr-2007 13:09:22] <chet> Ah, yes.. that's true.
[12-Apr-2007 13:09:38] <jp10558> But informant isn't that heavy really, just trying to figure the bare minimum
[12-Apr-2007 13:10:00] <chet> Personally I made a subtree under /Servers/Windows call Informant for systems that I installed it on.
[12-Apr-2007 13:10:19] <chet> Then I moved the Device performance template from the Windows subtree down to the Informant subtree.
[12-Apr-2007 13:10:51] <jp10558> is there a reason to not install informant on windows machines - it doesn't seem to slow them down, or to conflict with anything right now
[12-Apr-2007 13:11:38] <chet> No good reason.
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[12-Apr-2007 13:34:18] <jp10558> I'm having some trouble getting my zenoss box to monitor itself... I tried the suggested SNMPd.conf file
[12-Apr-2007 13:34:47] <jp10558> but I'm not getting information from it. I added trapcommunity public to the bottom, and trapsink <zenoss box>
[12-Apr-2007 13:35:06] <jp10558> I'mm getting events, but no performance data, and nothing in the OS tab
[12-Apr-2007 13:35:10] <creiht> jp10558: The extra trap stuff isn't really needed
[12-Apr-2007 13:35:12] <chet> Does snmpwalk work?
[12-Apr-2007 13:35:19] <creiht> The performance data will come in time
[12-Apr-2007 13:35:58] <jp10558> tenebra snmp browser does say it connected successfully
[12-Apr-2007 13:36:12] <jp10558> but how long does it normally take for the OS tab to fill out?
[12-Apr-2007 13:36:42] <jp10558> I know there is some problem, because I'm getting events:
[12-Apr-2007 13:36:47] <creiht> It can take up to 30 minutes for the configuration to refresh (which you can force to happen by restarting zenoss)
[12-Apr-2007 13:36:51] <jp10558> Error reading value for "memBuffer" on <zenoss device>
[12-Apr-2007 13:37:07] <chet> Is this a Linux system or something else?
[12-Apr-2007 13:37:18] <jp10558> oh sorry, it's the zenoss server
[12-Apr-2007 13:37:21] <jp10558> running SL4
[12-Apr-2007 13:37:32] <jp10558> with the source install of Zenoss and Python 2.4.4
[12-Apr-2007 13:37:54] <chet> It should definitely be able to get memBuffer from that system.
[12-Apr-2007 13:38:19] <jp10558> I'm guessing I've messed up my snmpd.conf
[12-Apr-2007 13:38:42] <chet> All you really need in your snmpd.conf is "rocommunity public"
[12-Apr-2007 13:38:59] <jp10558> rocommunity ?
[12-Apr-2007 13:39:06] <jp10558> not trapcommunity?
[12-Apr-2007 13:39:29] <chet> yes.. to specify the read-only community.
[12-Apr-2007 13:39:43] <jp10558> ok
[12-Apr-2007 13:40:01] <jp10558> so I don't need the com2sec ... etc + access ... ect lines
[12-Apr-2007 13:40:09] <chet> You can leave the trapsink in there if you want to receive traps, but NetSNMP doesn't generate many good ones.
[12-Apr-2007 13:40:23] <chet> nah.. that's the complicated way to define access controls.
[12-Apr-2007 13:40:56] <jp10558> ok, giving rocommunity public a try!
[12-Apr-2007 13:41:19] <chet> This file should be /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf
[12-Apr-2007 13:41:27] <chet> You'll need to "service restart snmpd" after you change it.
[12-Apr-2007 13:41:54] <jp10558> not service snmpd restart
[12-Apr-2007 13:41:55] <jp10558> ?
[12-Apr-2007 13:42:01] <jp10558> thats what I've been doing
[12-Apr-2007 13:42:02] <chet> heh.. you're right.
[12-Apr-2007 13:42:31] <eGGstain> does anyone have zenoss running on centos4.4??
[12-Apr-2007 13:42:58] <chet> eGGstain: I do.
[12-Apr-2007 13:43:12] <eGGstain> using the zenoss-deps-centos43-1.1.1.i386.tar.bz2
[12-Apr-2007 13:43:21] <eGGstain> any problems??
[12-Apr-2007 13:43:30] <chet> No.. I just installed from source.
[12-Apr-2007 13:43:46] <eGGstain> great thanks
[12-Apr-2007 13:43:47] <chet> I'm using the mysql-server package from the centosplus repository.
[12-Apr-2007 13:44:22] <chet> I also installed a local copy of Python 2.4.4 into /opt/zenoss since the 2.3.5 that comes with CentOS 4.4 is too old.
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[12-Apr-2007 13:44:55] <eGGstain> thanks for the info
[12-Apr-2007 13:46:04] <jp10558> hmm no luck with everything commented out except for rocommunity public
[12-Apr-2007 13:46:21] <jp10558> I restarted zenoss, got some events (did have trapsink I remember)
[12-Apr-2007 13:46:27] <jp10558> but no OS tab populated
[12-Apr-2007 13:46:40] <jp10558> usually I immediately get something under OS on adding a device
[12-Apr-2007 13:46:52] <eGGstain> you also restarted snmpd??
[12-Apr-2007 13:48:02] <jp10558> gahh, new I forgot something, trying again
[12-Apr-2007 13:48:34] <chet> jp10558: If you don't have anything on the OS tab, you need to go to the Manage tab and re-collect the device.
[12-Apr-2007 13:51:24] <jp10558> just did that, no go - still blank
[12-Apr-2007 13:51:45] <jp10558> it's just going really quick on the collect tab - are you sure that it's not an issue with using the FQDN vs localhost?
[12-Apr-2007 13:55:53] <chet> Which one are you using? You may need to have iptables allow the access if you're running it.
[12-Apr-2007 13:56:57] <jp10558> I'm using FQDN
[12-Apr-2007 13:57:06] <jp10558> no firewall that I'm aware of
[12-Apr-2007 13:57:21] <eGGstain> SELinux running??
[12-Apr-2007 13:58:55] <jp10558> no
[12-Apr-2007 13:59:28] <jp10558> looks like I'll have to get my linux guys to take a look again, no idea what is screwed up - every other device is working right
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[12-Apr-2007 15:37:57] <litein> i am getting this error msg
[12-Apr-2007 15:37:58] <litein> Error reading value for "memoryPagesPerSec" on ditanex1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.10.0 is bad)
[12-Apr-2007 15:39:27] <chet> Did you install SNMP-Informant on ditanex1?
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[12-Apr-2007 15:40:15] <litein> no. I have some other windows box that I have added that I am getting the information just.
[12-Apr-2007 15:40:38] <SoulRebel`> hello all
[12-Apr-2007 15:40:50] <SoulRebel`> anyone knows why zopectl is not installed by default ?
[12-Apr-2007 15:40:52] <chet> By default Zenoss tries to collect SNMP-Informant data (like memoryPagesPerSec) from anything in the /Servers/Windows hierarchy.
[12-Apr-2007 15:41:05] <chet> SoulRebel`: It is if the install completely successfully.
[12-Apr-2007 15:41:08] <Igbothom_III> chet, that's cool aboot the Linksys SRW-2024P units - the PoE MIBs they have
[12-Apr-2007 15:42:04] <SoulRebel`> chet: my install hanged after the compilation of all packages (i'm installing from source on a freebsd box) because of my mysq
[12-Apr-2007 15:42:35] <SoulRebel`> *of my mysql server is not on localhost, i'm want to use a remote mysql
[12-Apr-2007 15:42:36] <chet> You'll need to correct whatever that problem was and reinstall so that it can finish.
[12-Apr-2007 15:42:44] <chet> export MYSQL_HOST="yourmysqlhost"
[12-Apr-2007 15:42:47] <chet> before installing.
[12-Apr-2007 15:44:01] <SoulRebel`> i'll try this var... thankz chet
[12-Apr-2007 15:44:29] <chet> Anytime.. a common problem.
[12-Apr-2007 15:48:39] <SoulRebel`> there is a lack of documentation of this problem...
[12-Apr-2007 15:49:16] <chet> I suppose they have to make money somehow. =}
[12-Apr-2007 15:51:38] <SoulRebel`> yeah, i hope they make a lot of money if its really a great product (i dont know zenoss yet... i'm trying to make it run for t
[12-Apr-2007 15:51:43] <SoulRebel`> the first time
[12-Apr-2007 15:52:12] <SoulRebel`> damn bugged mirc emulated via wine
[12-Apr-2007 15:55:12] <SoulRebel`> chet: do you know for what reason the installation need my mysql root password?
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[12-Apr-2007 16:07:31] <Gamekiller77> good day all
[12-Apr-2007 16:08:46] <Gamekiller77> how do i start zenoss i did not see it in init.d
[12-Apr-2007 16:08:47] <SoulRebel`> yeah!! my zenos is up & running
[12-Apr-2007 16:08:59] <SoulRebel`> Gamekiller77: /usr/local/zenoss/bin/zenoss start
[12-Apr-2007 16:09:04] <Gamekiller77> ok thanks
[12-Apr-2007 16:10:04] <Gamekiller77> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/zenoss/log/zeo.log'
[12-Apr-2007 16:10:07] <Gamekiller77> hmm
[12-Apr-2007 16:10:20] <SoulRebel`> mkdir /usr/local/zenoss
[12-Apr-2007 16:10:34] <Gamekiller77> i did
[12-Apr-2007 16:10:42] <Gamekiller77> all that
[12-Apr-2007 16:10:47] <SoulRebel`> oops, mkdir /usr/local/zenoss/log
[12-Apr-2007 16:11:00] <SoulRebel`> and the log bus belong to same user of zenoss
[12-Apr-2007 16:11:38] <jp10558> I can't figure out what's going on - from another machine using Tembria SNMP Browser, I can access my Zenoss server SNMP data
[12-Apr-2007 16:11:44] <jp10558> but zenoss doesn't seem to get anything
[12-Apr-2007 16:11:51] <jp10558> and it doesn't matter if I do FQDN or Localhost
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[12-Apr-2007 16:14:23] <Gamekiller77> ok i think it started hmm
[12-Apr-2007 16:14:23] <Gamekiller77> ok
[12-Apr-2007 16:18:07] <litein> after install snmp-informant I am still getting the error. Error reading value for "memoryPagesPerSec" on ditanex1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.10.0 is bad)
[12-Apr-2007 16:22:10] <jp10558> when you installed informant, did you restart snmp service in windows?
[12-Apr-2007 16:22:46] <chet> SoulRebel`: It needs the MySQL root password because MySQL only lets super users create triggers.
[12-Apr-2007 16:23:00] <chet> litein: Make sure you restart the SNMP service.
[12-Apr-2007 16:23:14] <chet> Oops.. you already got that one, jp10558.
[12-Apr-2007 16:24:00] <chet> jp10558: What does it tell you when you model it?
[12-Apr-2007 16:24:11] <chet> jp10558: Or "re-collect" it I should say.
[12-Apr-2007 16:24:22] <creiht> Hrmmm... Anybody know how to offically turn off daemons if you don't want to use them so that you don't get heartbeats/
[12-Apr-2007 16:24:45] <litein> yes i have.
[12-Apr-2007 16:24:46] <chet> creiht: Edit bin/zenoss and comment out the "C=" line with the daemon you care not to run.
[12-Apr-2007 16:24:49] <creiht> For example, I don't want to run zensyslog, so I stop the daemon, but then I get heartbeats
[12-Apr-2007 16:24:57] <creiht> Yeah I have done that
[12-Apr-2007 16:25:02] <creiht> But I still get heartbeat warnings
[12-Apr-2007 16:25:03] <chet> creiht: Then go to your Event Manager and clear heartbeats.
[12-Apr-2007 16:25:07] <creiht> oh
[12-Apr-2007 16:25:13] <creiht> hehe
[12-Apr-2007 16:25:21] <creiht> I knew it was probably something simple
[12-Apr-2007 16:25:21] <chet> It's only expecting more heartbeats because it saw some in the past.
[12-Apr-2007 16:25:24] <litein> i just restarted the snmp serviuce again and now I am getting the information
[12-Apr-2007 16:32:50] <jp10558> It doesn't tell me anything...?
[12-Apr-2007 16:33:10] <jp10558> Normally, it scrolls several windows - with stuff that it's collecting
[12-Apr-2007 16:33:18] <jp10558> now it just goes for 2 seconds and says nothing's changed
[12-Apr-2007 16:40:59] <chet> jp10558: Run it from the command line so you can force recollection..
[12-Apr-2007 16:41:08] <chet> jp10558: zenmodeler run --force --device=devicename
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[12-Apr-2007 17:14:11] <Gamekiller77> hmm i just tryed to do this to add zenoss to start up
[12-Apr-2007 17:14:15] <Gamekiller77> update-rc.d zenoss 95
[12-Apr-2007 17:14:19] <Gamekiller77> but i got an error
[12-Apr-2007 17:14:25] <Gamekiller77> useing ubuntu
[12-Apr-2007 17:15:27] <chet> What error?
[12-Apr-2007 17:15:53] <Gamekiller77> root@chupacabra:~# update-rc.d zenoss 95
[12-Apr-2007 17:15:54] <Gamekiller77> usage: update-rc.d [-n] [-f] <basename> remove
[12-Apr-2007 17:15:54] <Gamekiller77> update-rc.d [-n] <basename> defaults|multiuser [NN | sNN kNN]
[12-Apr-2007 17:15:54] <Gamekiller77> update-rc.d [-n] <basename> start|stop NN runlvl [runlvl] [...] .
[12-Apr-2007 17:15:54] <Gamekiller77> -n: not really
[12-Apr-2007 17:15:54] <Gamekiller77> -f: force
[12-Apr-2007 17:16:34] <korozion> Upon ZenOSS start, I get three sudo errors (zenoss is not allowed to run sudo ..._), however my sudo file contains zenoss monitor = NOPASSWD: /usr/local/zenoss/bin/*,/bin/kill
[12-Apr-2007 17:16:40] <korozion> have I done something wrong?
[12-Apr-2007 17:16:51] <chet> korozion: Replace "monitor" with the name of your host.
[12-Apr-2007 17:16:58] <korozion> ahh!
[12-Apr-2007 17:17:00] <korozion> thanks
[12-Apr-2007 17:17:30] <korozion> boy do I feel dumb
[12-Apr-2007 17:17:48] <Gamekiller77> we all do that man
[12-Apr-2007 17:17:54] <chet> Gamekiller77: I'm not too familiar with their init system, but is it perhaps asking you to specify start/stop and the runlevel?
[12-Apr-2007 17:17:59] <korozion>
good to hear[12-Apr-2007 17:18:13] <Gamekiller77> that what i am thinking
[12-Apr-2007 17:18:16] <Gamekiller77> i not to ether
[12-Apr-2007 17:18:38] <Gamekiller77> i was a big gentoo user and i know how to do that
[12-Apr-2007 17:18:39] <korozion> this may sound like a loaded question, but it's not. How does ZenOSS stack up against OpenNMS? Can someone shed some light on good/better/best things?
[12-Apr-2007 17:18:53] <korozion> I used to be big into gentoo too
[12-Apr-2007 17:19:01] <chet> Gamekiller77: It's probably irrelevant anyway since I doubt you have a zenoss startup script in /etc/init.d
[12-Apr-2007 17:19:17] <korozion> chet: that worked perfectly, thanks
[12-Apr-2007 17:19:27] <Gamekiller77> ok
[12-Apr-2007 17:19:41] <Gamekiller77> there is a zenoss in init.d
[12-Apr-2007 17:20:04] <chet> Gamekiller77: Try update-rc.d zenoss defaults
[12-Apr-2007 17:20:16] <Gamekiller77> i will do that
[12-Apr-2007 17:20:41] <Gamekiller77> that worked
[12-Apr-2007 17:21:00] <korozion> heh, chet +2
[12-Apr-2007 17:21:00] <chet> korozion: I've only used OpenNMS briefly. I didn't like how difficult it was to extend or the mess of XML config files. It think it is more stable than Zenoss, but at the detriment of having its development move at a glacial pace.
[12-Apr-2007 17:21:51] <korozion> I'm not sure what you mean about extend, but I do know they've started to allow editing of xml files from the gui. However you need to chown the config dir to allow tomcat to write
[12-Apr-2007 17:22:13] <korozion> how about options, how to they stack up? Am I comparing apples to apples?
[12-Apr-2007 17:22:25] <chet> Just as a random example of the type of extension I'm talking about.
[12-Apr-2007 17:23:48] <chet> I run ISC DHCPD, and I created my own snmpd subagent that publishes all of the data on the pools/leases/etc. In Zenoss I could write a collection map that allows me to see the current status of all the DHCP server's pools from the OS tab, and drill down to see the related performance graphs.
[12-Apr-2007 17:24:24] <chet> Something more powerful than saying, "Here's a list of OIDs.. collect them
[12-Apr-2007 17:24:32] <korozion> ahh, I think I see
[12-Apr-2007 17:25:12] <korozion> that, and ZenOSS gave me a free tee-shirt
[12-Apr-2007 17:25:42] <chet> Another different example would be this. Zenoss by default collects a system's routing table using the standard RFC1213 MIB. I run Check Point firewalls on Solaris, and Check Point breaks the RFC1213 MIB very badly.
[12-Apr-2007 17:25:58] <creiht> korozion: I have used both quite a bit
[12-Apr-2007 17:26:05] <korozion> I see
[12-Apr-2007 17:26:08] <creiht> Zenoss is much easyer to install and configure
[12-Apr-2007 17:26:21] <chet> I'm able to tell Zenoss that for these Solaris hosts with Check Point installed that it should collect the routing table via SSH - netstat -ravn instead of using the SNMP MIB.
[12-Apr-2007 17:26:21] <creiht> Zenoss it is also much easier to continue managing it
[12-Apr-2007 17:26:52] <korozion> these are all good point
[12-Apr-2007 17:26:52] <korozion> s
[12-Apr-2007 17:26:59] <creiht> Zenoss comes with a sane set of default snmp monitoring, where with ONMS you have to set that up yourself
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:02] <korozion> and it seems to use less resources
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:14] <creiht> It will probably be similar in the long run
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:15] <chet> OpenNMS is a good monitoring solution. Zenoss goes beyond that with really incredible inventory management capabilities.
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:23] <korozion> ahh, I see
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:29] <SoulRebel`> my web interface of zenoss tell me all the time that: Lost Connection to Zenoss
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:29] <creiht> OpenNMS seems to be more scalable
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:43] <chet> creiht: Hardly!
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:48] <creiht> OpenNMS currently has better service monitoring
[12-Apr-2007 17:27:50] <SoulRebel`> anyone knows what could be ?
[12-Apr-2007 17:28:03] <creiht> chet: Well yes... sadly
[12-Apr-2007 17:28:05] <korozion> ok, in zenoss, if I add an interface, and the web server on said interface goes down, will it yell at me?
[12-Apr-2007 17:28:10] <creiht> Though I know they are working on it
[12-Apr-2007 17:28:13] <korozion> Or do I need to do some more config to set that up?
[12-Apr-2007 17:28:21] <chet> Zenoss scales very gracefully.. just throw another performance monitor in the mix and you double your capacity.
[12-Apr-2007 17:28:42] <creiht> chet: Well it unfortunately isn't quite that easy
[12-Apr-2007 17:28:56] <creiht> I'm talking scaling to 50k - 100k devices level
[12-Apr-2007 17:29:10] <korozion> also, I'm getting this error - 127.0.0.1 sendto error Host Keri and localhost are both using ip 127.0.0.1
[12-Apr-2007 17:29:14] <korozion> "keri" is the localhost
[12-Apr-2007 17:29:36] <chet> korozion: Do you have localhost and keri defined as devices?
[12-Apr-2007 17:29:45] <chet> korozion: If so, you should delete localhost.
[12-Apr-2007 17:29:45] <korozion> keri is, but localhost is not
[12-Apr-2007 17:29:54] <korozion> there is a 'localhost' monitor though
[12-Apr-2007 17:30:01] <chet> That's fine.
[12-Apr-2007 17:30:20] <korozion> as for devices, there is no 'localhost' device
[12-Apr-2007 17:30:42] <creiht> Zenoss also seems to be developing at a much faster pace
[12-Apr-2007 17:30:52] <creiht> Plus it is Python, so that is a bonus for me
[12-Apr-2007 17:30:56] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 17:31:05] <korozion> and don't forget the shirts!
[12-Apr-2007 17:31:07] <creiht> Both systems are pretty good
[12-Apr-2007 17:31:08] <creiht> hehe
[12-Apr-2007 17:31:11] <creiht> I also have a hat
[12-Apr-2007 17:31:15] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 17:31:22] <chet> I have no swag.
[12-Apr-2007 17:31:59] <korozion> awww
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:02] <creiht> Though I think I have an ONMS shirt somewhere
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:04] <creiht>
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:17] <korozion> I wish I could figure out this error though
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:27] <chet> korozion: Run zendmd as the zenoss user.
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:33] <chet> korozion: At the prompt try this..
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:33] <korozion> I'll mess around a bid, and see what I can see
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:41] <chet> from IpAddress import findIpAddress
[12-Apr-2007 17:32:48] <chet> findIpAddress(dmd.Networks, '127.0.0.1')
[12-Apr-2007 17:33:11] <korozion> nothing is returned
[12-Apr-2007 17:33:22] <korozion> Oooo, I bet it's a hosts problem
[12-Apr-2007 17:33:32] <chet> That's weird..
[12-Apr-2007 17:33:38] <chet> I'd say restart zenping
[12-Apr-2007 17:33:46] <korozion> yes, it's a hosts problem
[12-Apr-2007 17:34:01] <chet> How so?
[12-Apr-2007 17:34:22] <korozion> 'keri' was defined as 192.168.174.10 as well as 127.0.0.1
[12-Apr-2007 17:34:33] <korozion> (in /etc/hosts)
[12-Apr-2007 17:34:40] <korozion> my bad
[12-Apr-2007 17:34:48] <korozion> lesse if the error goes away ...
[12-Apr-2007 17:36:43] <korozion> hey, look at that
[12-Apr-2007 17:36:46] <korozion> the error went away
[12-Apr-2007 17:36:47] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 17:36:52] <korozion> whoopss
[12-Apr-2007 17:37:13] <korozion> now I have all new errors, although I believe it's realated
[12-Apr-2007 17:37:53] <korozion> I'll try removing and re-adding the device
[12-Apr-2007 17:38:02] <korozion> not like there was anything special done with it
[12-Apr-2007 17:39:35] <korozion> riiiiight, it doesn't like my basic snmp config
[12-Apr-2007 17:41:23] <korozion> could someone remind me of that zenoss wiki page with the snmpd config on it?
[12-Apr-2007 17:41:54] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[12-Apr-2007 17:41:54] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[12-Apr-2007 17:41:54] <korozion> thank you sir
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:06] <creiht> Somebody should make that link the title of this channel
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:06] <creiht>
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:17] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:25] <chet> I really want to edit that page to get rid of the advanced access control crap.
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:29] <korozion> Why is it that ZenOSS doesn't like just the basic 4 line config?
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:37] <chet> So many lines of config that could be handled by "rocommunity mycommunity"
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:45] <creiht> I think it was contributed by someone
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:56] <chet> What's the basic 4 line config?
[12-Apr-2007 17:42:57] * korozion is open to ideas
[12-Apr-2007 17:43:09] <korozion> location, admin, community, and sysservices
[12-Apr-2007 17:43:19] <chet> try..
[12-Apr-2007 17:43:43] <chet> rocommunity yourCommunity
[12-Apr-2007 17:43:49] <chet> trapsink zenoss.host
[12-Apr-2007 17:43:53] <chet> syslocation yourLocation
[12-Apr-2007 17:43:58] <chet> syscontact yourContact
[12-Apr-2007 17:44:02] <korozion> aha, wait
[12-Apr-2007 17:44:07] <korozion> my bad .... again
[12-Apr-2007 17:44:16] <korozion> snmp was still talking on 127.0.0.1
[12-Apr-2007 17:45:20] <korozion> gee, look at that
[12-Apr-2007 17:45:23] <korozion> it worked
[12-Apr-2007 17:45:28] <korozion> basic config
[12-Apr-2007 17:46:01] <korozion> It's amazing how well things work when you set them up right ...
[12-Apr-2007 17:46:26] <chet> I hate it when everything works the first time.. no feeling of accomplishment. =}
[12-Apr-2007 17:46:33] <korozion> ha, so true
[12-Apr-2007 17:49:43] <chet> :1
[12-Apr-2007 17:49:45] <chet> oops
[12-Apr-2007 17:50:31] <Gamekiller77> ok it looks as my zenoss looks good
[12-Apr-2007 17:52:14] <korozion> crap
[12-Apr-2007 17:52:21] <korozion> I'm still getting a bunch of errors
[12-Apr-2007 17:52:26] * korozion tracks them down ...
[12-Apr-2007 17:53:09] <Gamekiller77> lol
[12-Apr-2007 17:54:43] <creiht> korozion: The other nice thing is that now you can also answer questions on IRC so that chet doesn't have to answer them all
[12-Apr-2007 17:54:51] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 17:55:19] <creiht> chet: You should work for zenoss
[12-Apr-2007 17:55:41] <chet> heh.. this place is like the end of chapter questions.
[12-Apr-2007 17:56:20] <chet> Half the questions that come up end up teaching me something that I can use later.
[12-Apr-2007 17:56:55] <creiht> yup
[12-Apr-2007 17:58:09] <korozion> teaching is a great way to learn more
[12-Apr-2007 17:59:49] <korozion> hrm
[12-Apr-2007 18:00:02] <korozion> I'm getting errors on a device that doesn't exist anymore
[12-Apr-2007 18:00:11] <chet> What kind of errors?
[12-Apr-2007 18:00:43] <creiht> korozion: You mean events?
[12-Apr-2007 18:00:50] <korozion> yes, sorry
[12-Apr-2007 18:00:53] <korozion> and issues
[12-Apr-2007 18:01:07] <creiht> try moving those events to history and see if they pop back up
[12-Apr-2007 18:01:13] <korozion> ok
[12-Apr-2007 18:01:18] <creiht> I have that happen sometimes when I delete a device
[12-Apr-2007 18:01:27] <chet> If they're heartbeat related, go to Event Manager and clear heartbeats.
[12-Apr-2007 18:01:44] <korozion> it's like you read my mind ...
[12-Apr-2007 18:02:13] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 18:02:14] <korozion> that worked
[12-Apr-2007 18:02:54] <chet> I'm a broken record.. if zenoss ever got a heartbeat from a device it will expect more.
[12-Apr-2007 18:03:18] <korozion> ok, here's one. I have a router/firewall that's a packaged distro running on a beige box. Should I still use /network/router/firewall/ as the device class path?
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[12-Apr-2007 18:05:54] <creiht> korozion: Remember that the device class path is all about what it is going to monitor
[12-Apr-2007 18:06:22] <creiht> If the device is a real box and you want to monitor CPU usage, and memeory usage, etc, then put it under one of the Server heirarchys
[12-Apr-2007 18:06:33] <korozion> aha!
[12-Apr-2007 18:06:52] <creiht> If you are just woried about the router aspects (bandwith through the interfaces), then put it in the router heirarchy
[12-Apr-2007 18:07:03] <korozion> aha, ok. That makes sense
[12-Apr-2007 18:08:30] <korozion> so the heirarchy is assuming you're calling a spade a spade
[12-Apr-2007 18:08:44] <creiht> hehe
[12-Apr-2007 18:08:53] <creiht> It all depends on what you want to monitor
[12-Apr-2007 18:09:35] <creiht> If you really wanted to, you could create your own subfolder under router
[12-Apr-2007 18:09:50] <creiht> And copy the monitoring template for server devices to that template
[12-Apr-2007 18:10:02] <creiht> So for organization sakes it would be under router
[12-Apr-2007 18:10:14] <creiht> and you would be able to monitor the extra stuff as well
[12-Apr-2007 18:10:22] <korozion> ahh, that's a good idea
[12-Apr-2007 18:10:47] <korozion> gee
[12-Apr-2007 18:11:04] <korozion> I have to say. The suppose in IRC channels between OpenNMS and ZenOSS sure makes a huge difference
[12-Apr-2007 18:11:22] <korozion> don't get me wrong, the onms chan is decent
[12-Apr-2007 18:11:35] <korozion> the community here seems to go that extra step
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:10] <creiht> Well to play devil's advocate... Zenoss is the new kid on the block and there are a lot of people excited about it (like chet and I)
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:17] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:24] <creiht> ONMS has been around a while
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:25] <korozion> creiht: do I know you from #lighttpd?
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:35] <creiht> no
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:37] <korozion> hrm
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:41] <korozion> the name sounds fimiliar
[12-Apr-2007 18:12:57] <korozion> *familiar
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:02] <korozion> maybe just from being here before
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:14] <creiht> But if you would have come to the IRC channel about 2 moths ago or so, there wasn't as much help
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:22] <creiht> chet has been a big help
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:24] <creiht> hrmm
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:28] <korozion> yeah, new things are always popular at first, but it's nice to see that ZenOSS is keeping up with some of the older things out there
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:34] <creiht> korozion: Do you do python web development?
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:40] <korozion> aha!
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:44] <creiht> hehe
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:48] <korozion> #turbogears or #django?
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:54] <creiht> I hang out on #pylons and #sqlalchemy a lot
[12-Apr-2007 18:13:59] <korozion> dammit
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:00] <korozion> wrong again
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:08] <korozion> I don't do dev myself
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:09] <creiht> sometimes on #turbogears and #django just to see what is going on
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:13] <korozion> (well, a very small bit)
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:16] <creiht> hehe
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:20] <korozion> but my boss is a bg python dev
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:27] <creiht> cool
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:30] <korozion> we met in Chicago with the django dev
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:38] <korozion> pretty cool fellow
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:47] <creiht> hehe
[12-Apr-2007 18:14:58] <creiht> He's cool as long as you have the same ideas
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:05] <creiht> Actually he is a cool guy
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:20] <korozion> haha, that's so typical with all ... platform? developers
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:24] <creiht> But he is pretty set in his ways when it comes to django
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:27] <korozion> platform isn't the word I'm looking for
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:31] <creiht> With most
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:31] <korozion> yeah, very true
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:34] <creiht> framework
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:39] <korozion> framework, that's the one
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:42] <creiht> That's one of the things about pylons that I like
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:54] <korozion> yeah, if you don't drink their cool-aid, you can't play in their park
[12-Apr-2007 18:15:58] <creiht> hehe
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:08] <creiht> That's one of the other things that I like about Zenoss
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:15] <korozion> my boss actually .... (stop laughing) moved to php
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:15] <creiht> They have been very open to user input
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:20] <korozion> (stop laughing now)
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:21] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:24] <creiht> Where ONMS is fairly set in their ways
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:29] <creiht> doh
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:36] <creiht> Why would he do that
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:39] <korozion> he does all web dev, and went to an OO approach of php
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:48] <korozion> I think because he's an old asp dev
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:55] <korozion> so php was natural to him
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:56] <creiht> ahh
[12-Apr-2007 18:16:57] <creiht> heh
[12-Apr-2007 18:17:05] <korozion> his issue is he doesn't have time to learn a new framework
[12-Apr-2007 18:17:12] <korozion> he has to get thing out the door, yesterday
[12-Apr-2007 18:17:25] <korozion> I've all but left the company though
[12-Apr-2007 18:17:34] <korozion> I took another sysadmin job at a wifi isp
[12-Apr-2007 18:17:43] <creiht> ahh
[12-Apr-2007 18:17:49] <korozion> I'll stay part-time sysadmin for him, but I wont have to do the odd tasks for that old job anymore
[12-Apr-2007 18:17:56] <korozion> just sysadmin stuff after work, and that's it
[12-Apr-2007 18:18:09] <korozion> plus I'll make more money and have a 6/6meg connection at home
[12-Apr-2007 18:18:18] <Igbothom_III>
[12-Apr-2007 18:18:28] <korozion> they already let me colo a box there, which is nice
[12-Apr-2007 18:18:36] <creiht> that's cool
[12-Apr-2007 18:18:38] <korozion> this machine is on a 25mbit fiber connection
[12-Apr-2007 18:18:45] <korozion> and I'm taking another machine there soon
[12-Apr-2007 18:19:02] <creiht> and bandwidth restrictions?
[12-Apr-2007 18:19:14] <korozion> I only got that before I started, because I used to do some contract work for them, and I know the noc manager really well
[12-Apr-2007 18:19:17] <korozion> no restrictions
[12-Apr-2007 18:19:27] <creiht> nice
[12-Apr-2007 18:19:30] <korozion> very
[12-Apr-2007 18:19:51] <creiht> I get a box here for $5 a month
[12-Apr-2007 18:19:55] <korozion> nice!
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:02] <creiht> 20GB bw limit
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:13] <korozion> ahh
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:14] <dan__t> ouch
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:14] <creiht> But I hardly push 5GB so not a big deal
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:26] <creiht> Well I can get more if I need it
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:38] <creiht> And we only measure outgoing
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:54] <korozion> http://www.linuxgeneration.org/munin/linuxgeneration.org/ellen.linuxgeneration.org-if_eth0.html
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:54] <adytum-bot> Title: Munin :: linuxgeneration.org :: ellen.linuxgeneration.org :: if_eth0 (at www.linuxgeneration.org)
[12-Apr-2007 18:20:54] <korozion> I've had a couple of large hits
[12-Apr-2007 18:21:28] <korozion> 52.83 Mbps :S
[12-Apr-2007 18:21:48] <korozion> and tht'
[12-Apr-2007 18:21:49] <korozion> oops
[12-Apr-2007 18:21:50] <korozion> tat'
[12-Apr-2007 18:21:52] <korozion> argh
[12-Apr-2007 18:21:56] <korozion> that's sending
[12-Apr-2007 18:22:23] <korozion> If ZenOSS wasn't rich, I'd offer a mirror
[12-Apr-2007 18:23:05] <creiht> haha
[12-Apr-2007 18:23:12] <korozion>
[12-Apr-2007 18:23:14] <creiht> That's what sourceforge is for
[12-Apr-2007 18:23:19] <korozion> heh, yeah
[12-Apr-2007 18:23:29] <korozion> D'oh!
[12-Apr-2007 18:23:34] <korozion> I'm getting that error again
[12-Apr-2007 18:23:51] <creiht> Which one?
[12-Apr-2007 18:24:06] <korozion> hrm, I think I see
[12-Apr-2007 18:24:09] <korozion> this time ...
[12-Apr-2007 18:24:15] <korozion> 192.168.174.10 sendto error Host Keri and keri.linuxgeneration.org are both using ip 192.168.174.10
[12-Apr-2007 18:24:30] <creiht> hrmm
[12-Apr-2007 18:24:36] <korozion> it's like the ping thingy is not seeing them both as the same thing
[12-Apr-2007 18:24:39] <creiht> And you only have one device when you go to devices?
[12-Apr-2007 18:30:54] <korozion> well, there are two, but the other is "trinity" my router
[12-Apr-2007 18:32:24] <creiht> hrmm
[12-Apr-2007 18:34:02] <korozion> 1 sec
[12-Apr-2007 18:36:43] <korozion> http://www.linuxgeneration.org/pics/zenoss.png
[12-Apr-2007 18:38:06] <creiht> korozion: Not sure what to do there sorry
[12-Apr-2007 18:38:09] <chet> Wow.. I forgot how much prettier they made the trunk.
[12-Apr-2007 18:38:18] <korozion> bummer
[12-Apr-2007 18:38:19] <chet> You did already restart zenping, right?
[12-Apr-2007 18:38:28] <korozion> yeah, I restarted the whole thing
[12-Apr-2007 18:38:42] <korozion> I'll figure it out, eventually
[12-Apr-2007 18:39:08] <creiht> korozion: If all else fails, send a message to the mailing list
[12-Apr-2007 18:39:16] <korozion> k
[12-Apr-2007 18:43:00] <chet> Was the device ever called keri.linuxgeneration.org inside of Zenoss?
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[12-Apr-2007 18:55:58] <korozion> crap
[12-Apr-2007 18:56:00] <korozion>
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[12-Apr-2007 20:39:46] <Gamekiller77> what is needed to have the pager function work in zenoss
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[12-Apr-2007 22:28:49] <chet> Ever get that problem sorted, korozion?
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[13-Apr-2007 08:51:03] <jp10558> Hmmm, I tried the commandline
[13-Apr-2007 08:51:18] <jp10558> ran as zenoss user
[13-Apr-2007 08:51:53] <jp10558> still doesn't show anything in OS tab. gave the same output on the command line as with the web interface
[13-Apr-2007 08:58:32] <chet> jp10558: I'm working on something else at the moment, but could you put the output at a pastebin somewhere so I can see it?
[13-Apr-2007 08:58:44] <jp10558> sure
[13-Apr-2007 08:58:46] <jp10558> thanks
[13-Apr-2007 09:04:59] <jp10558> hmm, pastebin seems to be down - get an error
[13-Apr-2007 09:05:11] <jp10558> Query failure: Can't open file: 'pastebin.MYI'. (errno: 145)
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[13-Apr-2007 09:52:00] <chet> jp10558: Try pastebin.mozilla.org. It's more reliable.
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[13-Apr-2007 09:58:49] <litein> my alert emails come across as zenoss@localhost.localdomain. Where do you change it to reflect my domain?
[13-Apr-2007 09:59:52] <chet> $ZENHOME/etc/zenactions.conf
[13-Apr-2007 10:00:08] <chet> Add a line like "fromaddr zenoss@yourdomain.com"
[13-Apr-2007 10:00:26] <chet> Then restart zenactions
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[13-Apr-2007 10:06:05] <jp10558> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/7141
[13-Apr-2007 10:06:05] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[13-Apr-2007 10:06:06] <jp10558> there you go. Thanks again for the help
[13-Apr-2007 10:07:08] <chet> And you ran this with the -F option to force it?
[13-Apr-2007 10:24:48] <jp10558> I used zenmodeler run --force --device=devicename
[13-Apr-2007 10:24:59] <jp10558> and replaced devicename with localhost
[13-Apr-2007 10:25:43] <chet> Try deleting the localhost device in Zenoss, then adding a new device with its fully-qualified domain name.
[13-Apr-2007 10:26:39] <jp10558> I've done that, hence why I went to localhost
[13-Apr-2007 10:26:55] <jp10558> should I delete + readd FQDN
[13-Apr-2007 10:27:00] <jp10558> and then do force with that?
[13-Apr-2007 10:28:49] <chet> Sure. I don't think it ever makes sense to monitor a device called "localhost" or a 127.0.0.1 IP. After all, if you move Zenoss to another system, or distribute collectors to other machines this becomes ambiguous.
[13-Apr-2007 10:29:53] <litein> i am still getting zenoss@localhost.localdomain even after restarting zenactions
[13-Apr-2007 10:33:01] <litein> nm got it working now.
[13-Apr-2007 10:36:11] <litein> ok. now in the alert email the links are pointing to localhost.localdomain. How do I change that to reflect my server?
[13-Apr-2007 10:36:33] <chet> I suppose I should have seen that coming. =}
[13-Apr-2007 10:36:42] <chet> in the same zenactions.conf file add this line:
[13-Apr-2007 10:37:14] <chet> zopeurl http://yourzenoss.yourdomain.com:8080
[13-Apr-2007 10:37:37] <litein> awesome. thanks. this is a great support group.
[13-Apr-2007 10:38:13] <chet> It's just getting started. A few weeks ago nobody answered questions in here.
[13-Apr-2007 10:38:29] <chet> I hope you continue to idle around and bestow your learnings on others. =}
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[13-Apr-2007 10:38:47] <litein> yes i will.
[13-Apr-2007 10:42:06] <litein> ok. my next question is changing hostname. I have added a line to /etc/hosts that say x.x.x.x server.domain server and I have left the line that says localhost.localdomain. After I restart everything I get heart beat errors for localhost.localdomain.
[13-Apr-2007 10:42:35] <chet> Try going to Event Manager and clearing heartbeats.
[13-Apr-2007 10:43:11] <chet> If zenoss has old heartbeats from your daemons@localhost it will expect more. Once you clear them out it should no longer expect them.
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[13-Apr-2007 10:44:06] <donny_baker> noob question... concerning windows machines
[13-Apr-2007 10:44:27] <donny_baker> I have no problems getting them connected, but I get no graphs on the perf page
[13-Apr-2007 10:44:56] <chet> donny_baker: This usually means that you haven't installed SNMP-Informant on the Windows system.
[13-Apr-2007 10:45:20] <chet> SNMP-Informant extends the standard Windows (NT/2K/XP/2K3) SNMP MIB to allow monitoring of common performance counters.
[13-Apr-2007 10:45:24] <donny_baker> ah, thanks... i will do that, because I haven't
[13-Apr-2007 10:46:59] <litein> when clearing you mean ack
[13-Apr-2007 10:47:21] <chet> litein: Actually, if you click on the "Event Manager" link on the left there is a button called "Clear Heartbeats"
[13-Apr-2007 10:47:36] <chet> litein: After doing that, move those heartbeat alerts to history and hopefully they won't come back.
[13-Apr-2007 10:47:40] <litein> ok.thanks
[13-Apr-2007 10:48:46] <jp10558> Ok, I deleted and re-added it as FQDN
[13-Apr-2007 10:49:04] <jp10558> still nothing in OS tab right after re-add, but that does take a little while to populate IIRC
[13-Apr-2007 10:49:38] <jp10558> I'll wait, but I will say, it's add screen was shorter
[13-Apr-2007 10:49:41] <jp10558> than normal
[13-Apr-2007 10:49:42] <litein> if any alert is trigged and an email is sent. will it send any more email out by default.
[13-Apr-2007 10:50:17] <chet> jp10558: When you say there's nothing on the OS tab.. you mean NOTHING? No interfaces/filesystems/routes?
[13-Apr-2007 10:50:29] <chet> litein: No.. no repeating.
[13-Apr-2007 10:51:02] <chet> litein: Even if the same alert happens again.. it will likely have the same "dedupid" and be rolled into the same alert.
[13-Apr-2007 10:51:29] <litein> great.
[13-Apr-2007 10:53:00] <litein> if I am monitoring switches can I monitor the throughtput on a switch port?
[13-Apr-2007 10:53:51] <chet> litein: Yup.. if it's an "ethernetCsmacd" type interface it will be done automatically.
[13-Apr-2007 10:54:20] <litein> they are cisco switches so they should be
[13-Apr-2007 10:54:42] <chet> Yeah.. they will be.
[13-Apr-2007 10:55:02] <eGGstain> so I am not a centos/RH person an dI hate RPM's...I am trying to upgrade from mysql4 to mysql5 I get getting package required error messages and it is starting to aggravate me
Does anyone have a quick this is what you need and or do this to get sql5 and python updated on centos4.4[13-Apr-2007 10:55:17] <chet> Throughput in bps, packets/sec and errors will be graphed.
[13-Apr-2007 10:55:37] <chet> eGGstain: yeah
[13-Apr-2007 10:56:24] <litein> why can I see graphs on some devices not on others.
[13-Apr-2007 10:56:33] <eGGstain> great...chet you are alot of help in this channel: thanks
[13-Apr-2007 10:57:22] <chet> eGGstain: Enable your centosplus repository in /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo
[13-Apr-2007 10:58:02] <chet> eGGstain: then yum update, yum upgrade.
[13-Apr-2007 10:58:16] <chet> eGGstain: That'll get you a good enough version of MySQL straight from the CentOS folks.
[13-Apr-2007 10:58:26] <donny_baker> ~chet++
[13-Apr-2007 10:58:29] <donny_baker> thanks
[13-Apr-2007 10:58:36] <eGGstain> awesome thanks again
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[13-Apr-2007 10:59:19] <chet> eGGstain: Python is a bit trickier. I think the best solution is to install 2.4.? from source straight into the zenoss home directory.
[13-Apr-2007 10:59:28] <chet> Where does the RPM put it? /usr/local/zenoss?
[13-Apr-2007 10:59:36] <litein> nm chet I answered my own question.
[13-Apr-2007 10:59:44] <chet> litein: I figured you would. =}
[13-Apr-2007 11:03:33] <jp10558> chet: right, no interfaces/filesystyems/routes
[13-Apr-2007 11:05:02] <chet> jp10558: Do an snmpwalk of the system by the "Manage IP" on the status tab and pastebin it.
[13-Apr-2007 11:05:21] <chet> jp10558: It shouldn't take time for that data to populate. It should all be there right away after the device is modeled.
[13-Apr-2007 11:06:47] <chet> eGGstain: So you'd grab the latest python 2.4 source and install it like..
[13-Apr-2007 11:06:49] <jp10558> I'm not sure I follow
[13-Apr-2007 11:06:56] <jp10558> Oh wait
[13-Apr-2007 11:06:59] <chet> eGGstain: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 11:07:02] <chet> eGGstain: make install
[13-Apr-2007 11:07:24] <chet> eGGstain: There are a couple of tweaks you'll have to make to Zenoss to point it at this install once it's installed. Let me know when you get there.
[13-Apr-2007 11:08:12] <litein> how far back can you view historial data?
[13-Apr-2007 11:09:27] <chet> litein: It is never automatically truncated.
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[13-Apr-2007 11:10:20] <chet> litein: So forever if you never manually remove alerts from the history table.
[13-Apr-2007 11:10:53] <litein> right. what about traffic data on graphs.
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[13-Apr-2007 11:12:34] <chet> Never.. performance data is stored in RRD files. RRD = Round-Robin Database. The whole point is that data never expires, it just gets further summarized the older it is.
[13-Apr-2007 11:12:47] <litein> awesome
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:08] <jp10558> mmm, there doesn't seem to be snmpwalk installed, even with a yum install net-snmp
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:20] <jp10558> but I do have Tembria SNMP Browser on Windows
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:25] <spinegar> i keep getting the following error when installing zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:27] <spinegar> MySQL-client-standard >= 5.0.22 is needed by zenoss-1.1.1-0.i386
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:27] <spinegar> MySQL-server-standard >= 5.0.22 is needed by zenoss-1.1.1-0.i386
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:28] <chet> jp10558: yum install net-snmp-utils
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:37] <spinegar> im on version 5.0.26 for mySQL
[13-Apr-2007 11:13:56] <chet> spinegar: Then install it with --nodeps.
[13-Apr-2007 11:14:05] <spinegar> chet: will try, thanks
[13-Apr-2007 11:14:51] <spinegar> this is what i get now " file /etc/rc.d from install of zenoss-1.1.1-0 conflicts with file from package filesystem-10.2-22"
[13-Apr-2007 11:15:44] <jp10558> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/7155
[13-Apr-2007 11:15:44] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[13-Apr-2007 11:15:58] <jp10558> seems to be a config issue, but I did use just the rocommunity as suggested ?
[13-Apr-2007 11:16:43] <chet> litein: Oops.. I was mistaken about those RRD files. Zenoss by default creates the archives to have a maximum retention of 730 days.
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[13-Apr-2007 11:18:02] <chet> jp10558: mv /etc/snmp/snmp.conf /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf
[13-Apr-2007 11:18:06] <chet> jp10558: service restart snmpd
[13-Apr-2007 11:18:27] <chet> jp10558: snmp.conf is the SNMP client configuration file. snmpd.conf is the daemon configuration.
[13-Apr-2007 11:18:33] <spinegar> getting error " file /etc/rc.d from install of zenoss-1.1.1-0 conflicts with file from package filesystem-10.2-22" during install
[13-Apr-2007 11:18:37] <chet> jp10558: Hopefully your problem is as simple as that.
[13-Apr-2007 11:19:36] <chet> spinegar: Ack.. stick --replacefiles on your rpm command.
[13-Apr-2007 11:20:50] <chet> spinegar: They're re-working the RPM packages for the upcoming version.. hopefully all this stuff will be fixed then.
[13-Apr-2007 11:21:02] <spinegar> chat: good to know, thanks
[13-Apr-2007 11:21:27] <chet> spinegar: They're going to be making packages specific to each distribution since they can't agree one what to call the MySQL server package.
[13-Apr-2007 11:22:58] <eGGstain> chet: will do thanks
[13-Apr-2007 11:23:03] <spinegar> chet: thanks again...it installed this time
[13-Apr-2007 11:25:23] * drv4doe is away: I'm away
[13-Apr-2007 11:28:39] <jp10558> That was it! my bad
[13-Apr-2007 11:33:41] <jp10558> Thanks so much for the help
[13-Apr-2007 11:34:50] <chet> Sure thing, jp10558. That's one of those insidiously simple errors.
[13-Apr-2007 11:38:11] <_chris_> chet: the new RPMs are ready... we're just waiting for the 2.0 release to push 'em out
[13-Apr-2007 11:38:29] <chet> _chris_: Cool, and Hi.
[13-Apr-2007 11:38:44] <chet> I'm a trunker myself. =}
[13-Apr-2007 11:38:53] <chet> It's so pretty.
[13-Apr-2007 11:38:59] <_chris_> it is beautiful
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:03] <_chris_> ian kicks ass
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:23] <chet> I agree.. I feel like I should send him a cake or something.
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:29] <_chris_> hah
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:32] <_chris_> he would love that
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:33] <_chris_>
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:42] <chet> Maybe buy him lunch.. I work down in Lanham.
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:50] <_chris_> oh cool!
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:54] <_chris_> you should come by one day -
[13-Apr-2007 11:39:59] <_chris_> we all go out to lunch together on tuesdays
[13-Apr-2007 11:40:04] <_chris_> at Chris' Charcoal Pit in Annapolis
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[13-Apr-2007 11:48:10] <litein> What is the system relation used for?
[13-Apr-2007 11:49:36] <chet> Organizing your devices.. each root level system will show up on your dashboard.
[13-Apr-2007 11:50:34] <litein> So i can create a group call email and place all my email servers in there
[13-Apr-2007 11:51:05] <chet> Exactly.
[13-Apr-2007 11:51:08] <litein> so what is the different between systems and groups.
[13-Apr-2007 11:51:28] <chet> Groups are completely arbitrary and not used by Zenoss in any in particular.
[13-Apr-2007 11:51:36] <litein> ok
[13-Apr-2007 11:51:48] <chet> I use them for organizational roles for one.. like /Organizational/IT/Windows
[13-Apr-2007 11:52:02] <chet> .. /Organizational/IT/Network
[13-Apr-2007 11:52:29] <chet> Mainly used for my alerting rules.. so network guys only get alerts from routers/switches.. windows guys only get windows server alerts.
[13-Apr-2007 11:52:40] <chet> Of course you can use them for anything you want.
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[13-Apr-2007 12:04:21] <spinegar> this is going to sound really dumb...how do i run zenoss? i isntalled the rpm and from there im not sure what im supposed to do
[13-Apr-2007 12:05:50] <chet> spinegar: service start zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 12:06:01] <chet> spinegar: From there you should probably read the documentation.
[13-Apr-2007 12:07:25] <spinegar> that command didnt work. im running suse 10.2 if that helps
[13-Apr-2007 12:07:46] <chet> Sorry.. I know nothing about Suse.
[13-Apr-2007 12:09:43] <spinegar> can you point me to the right documentation? i am looking on the site but cant find much on it.
[13-Apr-2007 12:11:20] <chet> There's nothing for Suse.. try /etc/init.d/zenoss start
[13-Apr-2007 12:11:33] <spinegar> nothing there
[13-Apr-2007 12:11:35] <spinegar> tried that
[13-Apr-2007 12:11:48] <chet> Then su - zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 12:11:54] <chet> And try "zenoss start"
[13-Apr-2007 12:12:14] <spinegar> nothing
[13-Apr-2007 12:13:00] <spinegar> only thing that comes up for zen command wise is "zen-installer, zen-remover, and zen-updater"
[13-Apr-2007 12:13:32] <chet> Then your install isn't good. Maybe you should remove the RPM and go the source installation method.
[13-Apr-2007 12:13:43] <spinegar> okay, thanks for the help
[13-Apr-2007 12:13:44] <chet> I don't recall hearing about anyone running it on Suse.
[13-Apr-2007 12:14:04] <spinegar> i might be the first you hear about then
[13-Apr-2007 12:14:15] <chet> You're not running it yet. =}
[13-Apr-2007 12:14:24] <spinegar> thats why i said "might"
[13-Apr-2007 12:14:36] <chet> hehe..
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[13-Apr-2007 12:46:05] <eGGstain> chet: so the python is being MADE right now. what was that tricky zenoss bits you wanted to tell me about?
[13-Apr-2007 12:47:22] <chet> eGGstain: Zenoss should have installed a .bash_profile or .bashrc file into the zenoss user's home directory that defines its environment.. things like ZENHOME, etc..
[13-Apr-2007 12:47:24] <chet> Do you have that?
[13-Apr-2007 12:47:55] <eGGstain> I have not done the zenoss install yet - I thought python had to be done first?
[13-Apr-2007 12:48:16] <eGGstain> and does the zenoss install create the user or do I do that first?
[13-Apr-2007 12:48:28] <chet> eGGstain: I've never used the RPM installer, so I'm not quite sure.
[13-Apr-2007 12:48:33] <_chris_> eGCstain: if you install zenoss via the RPM it will create the user for you
[13-Apr-2007 12:48:42] <eGGstain> no im gonna build
[13-Apr-2007 12:48:43] <_chris_> if you do a source based install you have to make the user yourself
[13-Apr-2007 12:48:48] <eGGstain> ok
[13-Apr-2007 12:49:04] <_chris_> you'll also need to set up /etc/sudoers and set the filesystem permissions in /usr/local/zenoss or /opt/zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 12:49:12] <_chris_> so that the zenoss user can write to those directories
[13-Apr-2007 12:49:43] <eGGstain> great
[13-Apr-2007 12:49:55] <chet> I just made /opt/zenoss the zenoss user's home directory and did all the installation tasks as that user.. this way there's no confusion with the permissions.
[13-Apr-2007 12:50:09] <chet> This is the way the source install documentation states to do it anyway.
[13-Apr-2007 12:51:10] <eGGstain> that will work just fine for me
[13-Apr-2007 13:16:41] <monrad> is snmp collection not working with the newest trunk?
[13-Apr-2007 13:17:17] <chet> monrad: It works for me, but I'm still running the pysnmp engine.
[13-Apr-2007 13:17:50] <monrad> the old one?
[13-Apr-2007 13:17:52] <chet> I tested the pynetsnmp engine briefly, but ran into some weird inconsistencies and didn't have time to document them for the devs.
[13-Apr-2007 13:17:53] <chet> yeah
[13-Apr-2007 13:17:59] <monrad> i think i still have that
[13-Apr-2007 13:18:10] <spinegar> whats the default zenoss username and password?
[13-Apr-2007 13:18:21] <monrad> admin/zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 13:18:26] <monrad> i think
[13-Apr-2007 13:19:08] <monrad> chet: is there an easy way to check if i am useing the new pynetsnmp?
[13-Apr-2007 13:19:27] <chet> Do you have a directory called $ZENHOME/lib/python/pynetsmp ?
[13-Apr-2007 13:19:59] <monrad> yes
[13-Apr-2007 13:20:14] <monrad> i guess i can just delete that and it falls back to the old one?
[13-Apr-2007 13:20:22] <chet> eGGstain: I have a quick HOWTO for setting up Zenoss from source on RHEL4 and derivatives at http://chet.crashed.net/zenoss_rhel4.txt if you're interested.
[13-Apr-2007 13:20:25] <chet> monrad: You guess correctly.
[13-Apr-2007 13:20:49] <monrad>
[13-Apr-2007 13:22:06] <eGGstain> chet: very nice - thanks
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[13-Apr-2007 13:24:13] <monrad> hmm i have heartbeat failures on zenmodeler, zenperfsnmp, zenprocess, zenperfxmlprc, zenevent and zencommand
[13-Apr-2007 13:24:40] <chet> zenevent == zenxevent ?
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[13-Apr-2007 13:25:09] <monrad> yes zenxevent
[13-Apr-2007 13:25:19] <chet> zenxevent no longer exists.. so I wouldn't worry about that one.
[13-Apr-2007 13:25:24] <monrad> ah ok
[13-Apr-2007 13:25:32] <chet> Any errors in the zenperfsnmp.log ?
[13-Apr-2007 13:25:51] <monrad> 2007-04-13 19:20:43 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: zenperfsnmp shutting down <- i got 4 such lines
[13-Apr-2007 13:26:44] <chet> Did you restart all of those daemons after removing that pynetsnmp directory?
[13-Apr-2007 13:27:13] <monrad> yes
[13-Apr-2007 13:27:20] <chet> Are they running?
[13-Apr-2007 13:28:13] <monrad> well a ps aux shows them
[13-Apr-2007 13:29:27] <monrad> i just tried to run it in debug mode
[13-Apr-2007 13:29:28] <monrad> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:Logging in as admin
[13-Apr-2007 13:29:29] <monrad> Traceback from remote host -- Traceback unavailable
[13-Apr-2007 13:29:31] <monrad> stops with that
[13-Apr-2007 13:33:16] <monrad> hmm strange
[13-Apr-2007 13:33:50] <chet> monrad: Ah.. I know what that is.. one minute.
[13-Apr-2007 13:42:16] <chet> monrad: Do you have a $ZENHOME/etc/hubpasswd file?
[13-Apr-2007 13:47:12] <monrad> chet: nope
[13-Apr-2007 13:47:17] <monrad> should i have one?
[13-Apr-2007 13:47:23] <chet> Create it with this in it:
[13-Apr-2007 13:47:26] <chet> admin:zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 13:47:40] <chet> Then restart zenhub and the other daemons that are failing.
[13-Apr-2007 13:47:57] <monrad> and change if i change that password
[13-Apr-2007 13:48:15] <chet> monrad: Actually.. no, it's a completely different password from zope/zenoss.
[13-Apr-2007 13:48:27] <chet> monrad: Probably just a temporary hack until they develop a real auth system for zenhub.
[13-Apr-2007 13:48:48] <monrad> ah ok
[13-Apr-2007 13:48:50] <monrad> thx
[13-Apr-2007 13:50:52] <monrad> works now
[13-Apr-2007 13:51:16] <monrad> well seems like its doing something now
[13-Apr-2007 13:52:57] <eGGstain> chet: following your instructions and when I do the make install of python I get a libinstall error
[13-Apr-2007 13:53:06] <eGGstain> make: *** [libinstall] Error 1
[13-Apr-2007 13:53:25] <chet> oh.. try doing a make followed by make install.
[13-Apr-2007 13:53:36] <chet> I've heard of people having problems going straight for the install.
[13-Apr-2007 13:55:38] <monrad> chet: do you use the ./install.sh or the makefile?
[13-Apr-2007 13:55:51] <eGGstain> chet: that was it bud
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:16] <eGGstain> ImportError: No module named distutils.core
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:26] <eGGstain> from the last line of my zenbuild.log
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:53] <eGGstain> Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix>
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:53] <eGGstain> Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix>
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:53] <eGGstain> Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>]
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:53] <eGGstain> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:53] <eGGstain> Traceback (most recent call last):
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:54] <eGGstain> File "setup.py", line 10, in ?
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:56] <eGGstain> from distutils.core import setup
[13-Apr-2007 14:15:58] <eGGstain> ImportError: No module named distutils.core
[13-Apr-2007 14:18:28] <chet> eGGstain: What does "which python" show?
[13-Apr-2007 14:18:55] <eGGstain> hmmmm /usr/bin/python
[13-Apr-2007 14:19:17] <chet> You modified the .bash_profile, right?
[13-Apr-2007 14:19:25] <chet> If so, logout and back in.
[13-Apr-2007 14:20:14] <eGGstain> yes
[13-Apr-2007 14:20:17] <eGGstain> let me check
[13-Apr-2007 14:21:28] <eGGstain> no it is correct - I ran which python from my user
[13-Apr-2007 14:21:54] <eGGstain> from zenoss user it comes up ~/bin/python
[13-Apr-2007 14:22:36] <chet> You were running the install.sh from the zenoss user, right?
[13-Apr-2007 14:23:05] <eGGstain> yep
[13-Apr-2007 14:23:38] <chet> Do you have a $ZENHOM/lib/python2.4/distutils/ directory?
[13-Apr-2007 14:25:14] <eGGstain> nope
[13-Apr-2007 14:25:44] <chet> Strange.. the python install should have put that there. I don't think it installed properly. Go back into your python source directory and do a make clean.
[13-Apr-2007 14:25:53] <chet> Then do the configure, make, make install steps again.
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[13-Apr-2007 14:27:45] <eGGstain> chet; redoing it now
[13-Apr-2007 14:36:32] <eGGstain> installing epydoc
[13-Apr-2007 14:36:32] <eGGstain> gmake: *** [epydoc-install] Error 1
[13-Apr-2007 14:36:32] <eGGstain> unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log
[13-Apr-2007 14:37:58] <eGGstain> chet: gmake[2]: Entering directory `/opt/zenoss/zenossinst/build/rrdtool-1.2.15'
[13-Apr-2007 14:37:58] <eGGstain> gmake[3]: Entering directory `/opt/zenoss/zenossinst/build/rrdtool-1.2.15'
[13-Apr-2007 14:37:58] <eGGstain> gmake[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
[13-Apr-2007 14:37:58] <eGGstain> gmake[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'.
[13-Apr-2007 14:37:58] <eGGstain> gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/opt/zenoss/zenossinst/build/rrdtool-1.2.15'
[13-Apr-2007 14:37:59] <eGGstain> gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/opt/zenoss/zenossinst/build/rrdtool-1.2.15'
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:01] <eGGstain> gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/zenoss/zenossinst/build/rrdtool-1.2.15'
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:03] <eGGstain> Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix>
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:05] <eGGstain> Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix>
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:07] <eGGstain> Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>]
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:09] <eGGstain> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:13] <eGGstain> Traceback (most recent call last):
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:15] <eGGstain> File "setup.py", line 10, in ?
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:17] <eGGstain> from distutils.core import setup
[13-Apr-2007 14:38:19] <eGGstain> ImportError: No module named distutils.core
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[13-Apr-2007 14:40:45] <_chris_> hi mrhinkle
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[13-Apr-2007 14:42:31] <_chris_> eGGstain: that's weird
[13-Apr-2007 14:42:36] <_chris_> no distutils?
[13-Apr-2007 14:42:41] <_chris_> what happens when you do this:
[13-Apr-2007 14:42:48] <_chris_> python -c 'import distutils.core'
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[13-Apr-2007 15:19:39] <eGGstain> $ python -c 'import distutils.core'
[13-Apr-2007 15:19:39] <eGGstain> Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix>
[13-Apr-2007 15:19:39] <eGGstain> Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix>
[13-Apr-2007 15:19:39] <eGGstain> Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>]
[13-Apr-2007 15:19:39] <eGGstain> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
[13-Apr-2007 15:19:40] <eGGstain> Traceback (most recent call last):
[13-Apr-2007 15:19:44] <eGGstain> File "<string>", line 1, in ?
[13-Apr-2007 15:19:46] <eGGstain> ImportError: No module named distutils.core
[13-Apr-2007 15:24:29] <chet> eGGstain: Do you have anything under $ZENHOME/lib/python2.4 ?
[13-Apr-2007 15:26:10] <dan__t> er.,... are Perf settings and perf data managed by a template on a per-device basis?
[13-Apr-2007 15:26:29] <eGGstain> i have $ZENHOME/lib/ in the lib directory all I have is about 30 libs and a pkgconfig dir and a python dir - not a python2.4
[13-Apr-2007 15:27:23] <eGGstain> in python I some python scripts and a boatload of dir
[13-Apr-2007 15:27:27] <eGGstain> 's
[13-Apr-2007 15:27:41] <eGGstain> from AccessControl to ZTUtils
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[13-Apr-2007 15:29:24] <chet> eGGstain: Those are the libs that Zenoss installs.. not Python.
[13-Apr-2007 15:29:52] <chet> eGGstain: Did you install into /opt/zenoss?
[13-Apr-2007 15:30:03] <eGGstain> the python ./config, make, and make install seem to go great
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[13-Apr-2007 15:30:09] <eGGstain> yes i did
[13-Apr-2007 15:30:26] <eGGstain> ./configure --prefix=/opt/zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 15:30:49] <eGGstain> --enable-unicode="SOMETHING HERE FRMO YOUR WEBSITE"
[13-Apr-2007 15:30:52] <_chris_> looks like your python installation is really off
[13-Apr-2007 15:30:57] <_chris_> does it work for other stuff?
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[13-Apr-2007 15:31:13] <_chris_> did you install python by hand or are you using your distro's version of python?
[13-Apr-2007 15:31:20] <eGGstain> source
[13-Apr-2007 15:31:40] <_chris_> does your linux vendor have a pre-built version of python you can install?
[13-Apr-2007 15:32:07] <eGGstain> not a recent enough ver. for zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 15:32:36] <_chris_> i would do a ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/python-2.4/
[13-Apr-2007 15:32:44] <_chris_> and install python there rather than /opt/zenoss
[13-Apr-2007 15:38:03] <eGGstain> python 2.3 is installed - i think by default
[13-Apr-2007 15:38:36] <eGGstain> i asked yum to remove it and it said it was going to remove 64 packages including YUM
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[13-Apr-2007 15:50:41] <chet> eGGstain: Try this..
[13-Apr-2007 15:50:55] <eGGstain> chet, im ready
[13-Apr-2007 15:50:56] <chet> eGGstain: In /opt/zenoss..
[13-Apr-2007 15:51:08] <chet> rm -Rf bin Product lib
[13-Apr-2007 15:51:41] <chet> eGGstain: Then go into your Python2.4 source directory... do a make clean, then the configure, make, make install again..
[13-Apr-2007 15:51:54] <eGGstain> Products?
[13-Apr-2007 15:51:56] <chet> eGGstain: Then run the ./install.sh from the zenossinst directory again.
[13-Apr-2007 15:52:26] <chet> eGGstain: I think Python didn't install the libraries because the binary already existed.
[13-Apr-2007 15:53:01] <chet> eGGstain: If you don't have it, zenoss didn't install it.. that's fine.
[13-Apr-2007 15:53:07] <eGGstain> ok
[13-Apr-2007 15:53:18] <eGGstain> removed and doing the config make make install
[13-Apr-2007 15:53:32] <chet> Once you do python's make install, verify that you do have /opt/zenoss/lib/python2.4
[13-Apr-2007 15:53:45] <chet> and distutils in there while you're at it.
[13-Apr-2007 15:54:16] <eGGstain> ok any idea on the python 2.3 that is preinstalled - would that be messing with it
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[13-Apr-2007 15:55:07] <chet> eGGstain: Nope, not a problem. That's how I run.
[13-Apr-2007 15:55:13] <eGGstain> k
[13-Apr-2007 16:00:04] <eGGstain> chet, ok so I am getting alot of this during the make
[13-Apr-2007 16:00:05] <eGGstain> /opt/zenoss/src/Python-2.4.4/Modules/_curses_panel.c:412: error: `PANEL' undeclared (first use in this function)
[13-Apr-2007 16:00:05] <eGGstain> /opt/zenoss/src/Python-2.4.4/Modules/_curses_panel.c:412: error: `pan' undeclared (first use in this function)
[13-Apr-2007 16:00:05] <eGGstain> /opt/zenoss/src/Python-2.4.4/Modules/_curses_panel.c:413: error: `po' undeclared (first use in this function)
[13-Apr-2007 16:00:05] <eGGstain> /opt/zenoss/src/Python-2.4.4/Modules/_curses_panel.c: In function `PyCurses_update_panels':
[13-Apr-2007 16:00:07] <eGGstain> /opt/zenoss/src/Python-2.4.4/Modules/_curses_panel.c:437: warning: implicit declaration of function `update_panels'
[13-Apr-2007 16:01:50] <eGGstain> chet, BUT......it appears the make install is working this time
[13-Apr-2007 16:04:05] <eGGstain> running install.sh
[13-Apr-2007 16:04:12] <eGGstain> i'll le tyou know
[13-Apr-2007 16:16:43] <eGGstain> still failing on epydoc-install
[13-Apr-2007 16:18:48] <chet> Did you check to see if you have the /opt/zenoss/lib/python2.4 directory?
[13-Apr-2007 16:21:49] <eGGstain> damn it still isnt there
[13-Apr-2007 16:21:59] <eGGstain> i must be doing something wrong
[13-Apr-2007 16:22:46] <chet> hmm.. what does "rpm -aq|grep curses" show?
[13-Apr-2007 16:23:45] <eGGstain> ncurses-5.4-13
[13-Apr-2007 16:24:35] <eGGstain> ill be back
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[13-Apr-2007 17:50:06] <Gamekiller77> hello all again
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:18] <_chris_> hello Gamekiller77
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:30] <Gamekiller77> well i got my server up and running but when i try and do a discovery thing i get errors
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:41] <Gamekiller77> 2007-04-13 14:49:23 INFO zen Executing command: zendisc run --net=Networks
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:41] <Gamekiller77> 2007-04-13 14:49:26 INFO zen ERROR:zen.ZenDisc:Error performing net discovery on network Networks not found in dmd
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:41] <Gamekiller77> 2007-04-13 14:49:26 INFO zen Traceback (most recent call last):
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:41] <Gamekiller77> 2007-04-13 14:49:26 INFO zen File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/zendisc.py", line 187, in run
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:42] <Gamekiller77> 2007-04-13 14:49:26 INFO zen raise SystemExit("network %s not found in dmd" % net)
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:44] <Gamekiller77> 2007-04-13 14:49:26 INFO zen SystemExit: network Networks not found in dmd
[13-Apr-2007 17:50:46] <Gamekiller77> 2007-04-13 14:49:26 INFO zen Done
[13-Apr-2007 17:51:35] <Gamekiller77> any idea guys
[13-Apr-2007 17:51:43] <_chris_> you're running this on the command line?
[13-Apr-2007 17:51:46] <_chris_> zendisc run --net=Networks
[13-Apr-2007 17:52:23] <Gamekiller77> no
[13-Apr-2007 17:52:24] <Gamekiller77> should i
[13-Apr-2007 17:52:29] <Gamekiller77> i use the web site
[13-Apr-2007 17:52:41] <_chris_> nah.. i don't really know. i don't use zendisc
[13-Apr-2007 17:52:48] <_chris_> seems odd tho that we'd pass "Networks"
[13-Apr-2007 17:52:50] <_chris_> rather than something like
[13-Apr-2007 17:52:53] <_chris_> 192.168.1.0/24
[13-Apr-2007 17:53:04] <Gamekiller77> well i would want to do that
[13-Apr-2007 17:53:11] <Gamekiller77> where do i set that is what i want to know
[13-Apr-2007 17:53:24] <Gamekiller77> when i go to /networks
[13-Apr-2007 17:53:31] <Gamekiller77> i have all my subnets listed there
[13-Apr-2007 17:53:49] <Gamekiller77> then i go to the pull down and select the dicovery devices and i get that error
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[13-Apr-2007 18:11:39] <Gamekiller77> i think i have to do this
[13-Apr-2007 18:11:40] <Gamekiller77> $ zendmd
[13-Apr-2007 18:11:40] <Gamekiller77> >>> for ip in dmd.Networks._getOb('192.168.1.0').ipaddresses():
[13-Apr-2007 18:11:40] <Gamekiller77> .... dmd.DeviceLoader.loadDevice(ip.id, discoverProto=None)
[13-Apr-2007 18:19:28] <Gamekiller77> has any one ever done this
[13-Apr-2007 18:19:33] <Gamekiller77> in the zendmd console
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[13-Apr-2007 19:20:36] <Gamekiller77> is any one running zenwin here
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[13-Apr-2007 19:32:09] <Gamekiller77> that sucks the remove devices is not work
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[13-Apr-2007 20:01:23] <tseven> how would one uninstall zenoss ?
[13-Apr-2007 20:01:33] <dan__t> rpm -qa|grep -i zenoss|xargs rpm --erase
[13-Apr-2007 20:01:45] <dan__t> because you used a package, or made a package, or configured a prefix from the source, right?
[13-Apr-2007 20:02:06] <tseven> *nod*
[13-Apr-2007 20:02:11] <dan__t>
[13-Apr-2007 20:03:32] <tseven> hrmm
[13-Apr-2007 20:03:37] <tseven> didn't seem to do the trick
[13-Apr-2007 20:06:01] <tseven> scratch that,.. it just left the config files behind
[13-Apr-2007 20:06:26] <tseven> thank you sir dan__t
[13-Apr-2007 20:07:40] <dan__t> What was your installation method?
[13-Apr-2007 20:14:52] <tseven> rpm
[13-Apr-2007 20:14:57] <tseven> i spoke too soon
[13-Apr-2007 20:30:11] <dan__t> ok then.
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[14-Apr-2007 02:58:22] <HotShells> good mornning, can some one help me please.. about zenoss
[14-Apr-2007 02:59:33] <HotShells> guys!
[14-Apr-2007 02:59:51] <HotShells> its about Add Device
[14-Apr-2007 03:09:19] <HotShells> :s
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[14-Apr-2007 06:19:16] <tanjianaus> hi everyone - I have an event related question if there are any event manager experts out there
[14-Apr-2007 06:20:47] <tanjianaus> I would like to record 'root cause' for all failures related to availability - I'm thinking the best way is to have the 'clear' event generate a new event 'root cause determination - evt.description_of_previous_event instance'
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[14-Apr-2007 07:21:19] <tanjianaus> hi everyone - I have an event related question if there are any event manager experts out there
[14-Apr-2007 07:21:24] <tanjianaus> I would like to record 'root cause' for all failures related to availability - I'm thinking the best way is to have the 'clear' event generate a new event 'root cause determination - evt.description_of_previous_event instance'
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[14-Apr-2007 11:04:01] <litein> any there any plugins available for exchange?
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[14-Apr-2007 22:54:05] <dan__t> beh
[14-Apr-2007 22:54:08] <dan__t> false positives on the weekend
[14-Apr-2007 22:54:23] <dan__t> I remember cacti used an SNMP and ping setup to detect if a host was down or not
[14-Apr-2007 22:54:34] <dan__t> Does Zenoss have something similar, to prevent false positives?
[14-Apr-2007 23:08:07] <dan__t> yea... this is a drag heh
[14-Apr-2007 23:23:52] <dan__t> Ok, well, 500 txt messages later - I'm turning alerts off.
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[15-Apr-2007 10:00:29] <Daveyboy> hello
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[15-Apr-2007 10:01:49] <Daveyboy> i installed zenoss but now do not appear to have access to apache or phpmyadmin or any other interface accessed through web client
[15-Apr-2007 10:03:43] <Daveyboy> anyone?
[15-Apr-2007 10:05:00] <Daveyboy> running ubuntu linux server
[15-Apr-2007 10:07:37] <Daveyboy> well actually, phpmyadmin is good and a test.php page comes up, but unable to access port 8333 (vmware server mui)
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[15-Apr-2007 15:14:43] <massctrl> hello, i'm currently using Nagios offering a commercial service. I've bumped into zenoss and it looks very interesting. I read that plugins of nagios can be used with zenoss,.... Now is it possible to define the tresholds for a nagios plugin within the interface of zenos?
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[15-Apr-2007 18:10:41] <Igbothom_III> ok - quick Q: What's *not* going to be in the OSS Zenoss packages that are needed to be bought, and what's the pricing gonna be like?
[15-Apr-2007 18:18:07] <bzed> Igbothom_III: I doubt anybody here can answer questions about commercial stuff. contacting zenoss is probably the best way to get an answer
[15-Apr-2007 18:18:21] <Igbothom_III> furry muff
[15-Apr-2007 18:18:24] <Igbothom_III> shall do
[15-Apr-2007 18:19:23] <massctrl> anyone of you guys has experience using nagios plugins in zenoss?
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[15-Apr-2007 18:34:12] <Igbothom_III> bzed, sent
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[15-Apr-2007 20:12:35] <dan__t> Hi.
[15-Apr-2007 20:15:21] <dan__t> I find that I have way too many false positives here with Zenoss. With Cacti, it used both SNMP and Ping to determine if a host was down. The machine that I use for monitoring is based in Dallas at EV1, and they certainly don't have the best record of routes set up. with that, routes are in fact sometimes broken at the exact time Zenoss polls my stuff.
[15-Apr-2007 20:21:46] <Igbothom_III> so, when Zenoss polls, the box is down, yet you don't want that reported as being down?
[15-Apr-2007 20:23:24] <dan__t> Its not down. A route is down or lagging between the monitoring box, and my clients - momentarily.
[15-Apr-2007 20:23:38] <dan__t> I guess I should just stop being lazy, and get a monitoring box with a real provider, huh
[15-Apr-2007 20:23:41] <bzed> what would be worth an alert for me
[15-Apr-2007 20:23:53] <Igbothom_III> then configure it for, say, a result of 3 successive downs generates a down event, but one or two doesn't
[15-Apr-2007 20:24:07] <dan__t> I could do that.
[15-Apr-2007 20:24:23] <Igbothom_III> to my way of thinking, uncontactable = down
[15-Apr-2007 20:25:54] <dan__t> I guess what I'm getting at, is if there's any way to get any further investigation of a downed device, i.e. polling that same device 15 seconds later if it initially reported as down or something like that.
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[16-Apr-2007 00:32:12] <chairuou|work> I've added some cisco router with exactly SNMP RO string, but no interfaces showed and/or display graph...what I am wrong?
[16-Apr-2007 00:39:33] <Snake-Eyes> chairuou|work, which class did you put the router under ? what happens when you collect config ?
[16-Apr-2007 00:53:05] <chairuou|work> Snake-Eyes: I've putted it in Network/Router/Cisco
[16-Apr-2007 00:53:18] <chairuou|work> When I collect config...nothing happen
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[16-Apr-2007 01:28:21] <Snake-Eyes> chairuou|work, i would do a snmpwalk of your router from zenoss machine to check the details are correct and that zenoss machine has access to the router
[16-Apr-2007 02:08:01] <chairuou|work> Snake-Eyes, tks
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[16-Apr-2007 03:51:08] <chairuou|work> only FastEthernet interface has graph, all Serial interfaces has no graph....what I am wrong ?
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[16-Apr-2007 04:02:18] <N[]VA> Ola
[16-Apr-2007 04:12:52] <Igbothom_III> hhmmm, isn't zenwin meant to be able to obtain snmp data from other devices (Windows or other) on a LAN segment?
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[16-Apr-2007 04:15:01] <chairuou> only FastEthernet interface has graph, all Serial interfaces has no graph....what I am wrong ?
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[16-Apr-2007 11:53:05] <elux> hi
[16-Apr-2007 11:53:25] <elux> ive been evaluating different network monitoring systems
[16-Apr-2007 11:53:31] <elux> and ive been wondering if zenoss works on freebsd
[16-Apr-2007 11:53:50] <elux> and its capabilities of monitoring a particular service. ie. http, ssh, ftp, mysql
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[16-Apr-2007 12:40:55] <x03> someone use zenoss whith openbsd ?*
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[16-Apr-2007 14:51:46] <dan__t> does Zenoss support "baselining" like Cacti's threshold plugin does?
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[17-Apr-2007 04:02:38] <Nereus> morning
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[17-Apr-2007 04:39:58] <chairuou|work> Snake-Eyes: snmp-walk return lot of info from router....look like my setting on snmp string OK, but in Devices/OS still show up nothing
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[17-Apr-2007 08:05:47] <slav0nic> hi, iinstall zenoss and has error xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: no element found: line 1, column 0
[17-Apr-2007 08:05:56] <slav0nic> when open it in browser
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[17-Apr-2007 09:33:18] <Igbothom_III> question...
[17-Apr-2007 09:34:08] <Igbothom_III> if I want to monitor multiple devices on a remote (say a client's) LAN that go thru a NAT box, some being SNMP devices (printers, switches, routers) and others being Windows boxen, how would I handle this with Zenoss/zenwin?
[17-Apr-2007 09:39:27] <Igbothom_III> oh, and by the way, WTF is zenwin? What does it actually provide that snmp-informant's basic (freebie) component doesn't? I know that snmp-informant's additional (pay-for) components offer more MIBs, and that's fine, but what does zenwin actually do that snmp-informant doesn't do?
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[17-Apr-2007 09:48:13] <chet> Igbothom_III: I'll answer that last question first since it's easier..
[17-Apr-2007 09:48:52] <chet> Igbothom_III: Informant allows you to get performance data from Windows systems related to CPU/RAM/FileSystem/Disk..
[17-Apr-2007 09:49:15] <chet> Igbothom_III: Zenwin allows you to monitor Windows services and event logs.
[17-Apr-2007 09:50:35] <chet> Igbothom_III: I'm assuming that the scenario in your first question implies that you only have a single NAT address with the ability to port-forward into the internal network?
[17-Apr-2007 09:51:58] <chet> Igbothom_III: If that's the case, Zenoss really can't gracefully handle monitoring multiple devices via the same IP. The best way to solve the problem would be to setup some sort of VPN tunnel between your Zenoss site and the client's site so that each device can be monitored as if you were on the local LAN.
[17-Apr-2007 09:52:56] <chet> Igbothom_III: My favorite VPN software for this purpose is OpenVPN. It is very simple to use, secure and works on lots of platforms: Linux, Windows, *BSD, OSX..
[17-Apr-2007 09:53:21] <Igbothom_III> snmp-informant vs zenwin - cool, got it, thanks
[17-Apr-2007 09:53:43] <Igbothom_III> VPN = not gonna happen
[17-Apr-2007 09:54:04] <chet> I know it's a waste of time, but why not?
[17-Apr-2007 09:56:45] <Igbothom_III> well, we have multiple sites that we need to monitor - client sites, not other branches - and I don't have the need for a VPN connection to them, nor do I want to join our network and theirs
[17-Apr-2007 09:59:31] <Igbothom_III> and I especially don't want to join one of them to another one
[17-Apr-2007 09:59:40] <chet> Using a VPN doesn't imply that you'd be joining the networks. Maybe a better name for it would be tunneling in this instance. You'd only tunnel the specifically required traffic.
[17-Apr-2007 09:59:56] <chet> Igbothom_III: Then make sure ip_forwarding is disabled on your OpenVPN endpoint. SImple. =}
[17-Apr-2007 10:00:15] <Igbothom_III> no vpns - not gonna work in our situation
[17-Apr-2007 10:00:33] <Igbothom_III> (and yes, I know how to not have ip forwarding enabled
[17-Apr-2007 10:00:51] <Igbothom_III> especially for laptops in the field
[17-Apr-2007 10:00:52] <Igbothom_III>
[17-Apr-2007 10:01:05] <chet> Weird.. is it just the semantics of the term VPN? After all, NAT and VPN are both just encapsulation techniques.
[17-Apr-2007 10:01:49] <chet> You could easily say that anything performing NAT is just a very insecure VPN gateway. =}
[17-Apr-2007 10:02:12] <chet> Sorry.. I'm just going off on a tangent.
[17-Apr-2007 10:02:22] <Igbothom_III>
[17-Apr-2007 10:02:39] <Igbothom_III> and most sites are Windows sites with no Loonix/BSD boxes in them
[17-Apr-2007 10:02:44] <chet> There's another way to do what you want, but it is a heckuva lot more complicated.
[17-Apr-2007 10:03:12] <chet> Then there's no way to do it.. the complicated way requires a zenoss distributed poller at the client location.
[17-Apr-2007 10:03:19] <chet> Like I said.. OpenVPN runs just fine on Windows.
[17-Apr-2007 10:03:29] <Igbothom_III> not in our situation
[17-Apr-2007 10:03:49] <Igbothom_III> will the poller report to us over the Internet, not a vpn?
[17-Apr-2007 10:04:02] <chet> It could.
[17-Apr-2007 10:04:33] <chet> It would connect back to your Zenoss server over the Internet. Obviously not a very secure solution.
[17-Apr-2007 10:06:07] <chet> If your client were at all savvy, they'd have full access to your ZODB.. which is unauthenticated.
[17-Apr-2007 10:06:15] <Igbothom_III> it is if we lock the port down to an IP
[17-Apr-2007 10:06:26] <Igbothom_III> oh, not good
[17-Apr-2007 10:07:15] <Igbothom_III> and the same access issue would exist across a VPN connection, which is also very ungood
[17-Apr-2007 10:07:47] <chet> No.. the same condition wouldn't exist with a VPN. Without a Zenoss installation at their site they wouldn't need access to your ZODB at all.
[17-Apr-2007 10:08:14] <Igbothom_III> ok, so without a Linux/BSD box on site, how could we have a zenoss install?
[17-Apr-2007 10:08:15] <Igbothom_III>
[17-Apr-2007 10:08:24] <Igbothom_III> looking like Zenoss may not be the solution we're after
[17-Apr-2007 10:08:53] <chet> Pick a Windows server, install OpenVPN on it.. setup iptables on your side to restrict it down to as little as required.
[17-Apr-2007 10:09:21] <Igbothom_III> VPN is not a workable solution
[17-Apr-2007 10:09:40] <chet> Shoot.. if that weren't an option you could build a Soekris box or something to install at their site as a cheapo "remote support gateway"
[17-Apr-2007 10:10:05] <Igbothom_III> we deal with SMB clients - like 5 or 10 machines - so this isn't an option
[17-Apr-2007 10:10:15] <Igbothom_III> (and I run a soekris m0n0wall box here, btw)
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[17-Apr-2007 10:11:30] <chet> I'm at a loss, Igbothom_III. Based on your criteria I can't imagine what could fill your requirements.
[17-Apr-2007 10:12:51] <Igbothom_III> Hobbit works
[17-Apr-2007 10:13:31] <Igbothom_III> a lot of commercial apps like NetOp, Kaseya and LPI also work
[17-Apr-2007 10:13:37] <chet> So they have no problem with you installing it on their systems?
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[17-Apr-2007 10:13:51] <Igbothom_III> an agent? Nope, none at all
[17-Apr-2007 10:14:17] <Igbothom_III> run BBWin on their box, we monitor it. We're providing the monitoring, as I said, SMB clients, so no internal IT - we're their IT
[17-Apr-2007 10:17:54] <Igbothom_III> not that I don't like the interface of Zenoss over Hobbit (a LOT), but if it won't work as we need it...
[17-Apr-2007 10:18:21] <chet> I just don't understand what the big difference between running OpenVPN and BBWin is..
[17-Apr-2007 10:18:26] <creiht> I guess I came to the party a little late, what part is Zenoss missing for you Igbothom_III ?
[17-Apr-2007 10:19:08] <chet> Just tell them that OpenVPN is the monitoring agent. Since that's all it really is in this scenario.
[17-Apr-2007 10:20:26] <Igbothom_III> no can do - how can we have openvpn running on someone's laptop that they take all over the place so that we can monitor their box... that's a major aprt of why VPNs won't really help
[17-Apr-2007 10:21:38] <chet> Would this be your laptop, or the client's?
[17-Apr-2007 10:21:43] <Igbothom_III> also means each and every client will need to be on a different subnet
[17-Apr-2007 10:21:48] <Igbothom_III> client's laptop
[17-Apr-2007 10:21:52] <Igbothom_III> our end is fine
[17-Apr-2007 10:22:07] <Igbothom_III> it is the client end that Zenoss seems to be not ideal for (in our scenario)
[17-Apr-2007 10:22:59] <Igbothom_III> as for "openvpn is the monitoring app" I see where u r coming from and understand, but the issue is with trying to ensure all clients are on diff subnets, which is rather unlikely
[17-Apr-2007 10:23:43] <chet> Igbothom_III: It can be a hassle, but you can NAT around that problem pretty easily.
[17-Apr-2007 10:24:02] <chet> Igbothom_III: I'm not clear on that client laptop situation.. would you be monitoring their laptops?
[17-Apr-2007 10:24:11] <Igbothom_III> yes, monitoring their laptops
[17-Apr-2007 10:24:21] <Igbothom_III> and their network devices on the main LAN
[17-Apr-2007 10:24:27] <chet> How does BBWin do that when they're not connected to their LAN?
[17-Apr-2007 10:26:43] <Igbothom_III> the BBWin agent connects to my server, BBWin initiates the connection
[17-Apr-2007 10:27:30] <chet> Ahh.. I see. So BBWin is installed on all of their servers and workstations/laptops.
[17-Apr-2007 10:27:53] <chet> You mentioned network devices.. how do those get monitored?
[17-Apr-2007 10:28:07] <chet> Probably not too important for SMBs..
[17-Apr-2007 10:30:13] <Igbothom_III> well, with Hobbit, not sure with SNMP monitoring on the sites, but yes, we'll need this - monitor printers and such - U ***think*** BBWin can do this, but need to check further into it
[17-Apr-2007 10:31:37] <chet> I really does sound like a thick windows agent solution works best for this situation.
[17-Apr-2007 10:32:22] <chet> There's a ZEP (Zenoss Enhancement Proposal) pushing for a ZenAgent to fill this role, but it isn't ready yet.
[17-Apr-2007 10:33:00] <Igbothom_III> yeah, any idea how far off this is?
[17-Apr-2007 10:34:13] <chet> The associated ticket is http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/843
[17-Apr-2007 10:34:13] <adytum-bot> Title: #843 (Agent shell) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[17-Apr-2007 10:34:27] <chet> Slated for 2.1. I think they plan to have 2.0 out sometime within the month.
[17-Apr-2007 10:35:11] <chet> After that I'm not sure. Probably June or July.
[17-Apr-2007 10:36:03] <Igbothom_III> that's quite possibly acceptable
[17-Apr-2007 10:36:10] <chet> Although it probably all comes down to how much their paying customers need it. =}
[17-Apr-2007 10:36:27] <Igbothom_III> heh
[17-Apr-2007 10:37:31] <Igbothom_III> speaking of which, they aren't great at replying to support/pre-sales questions
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[17-Apr-2007 10:46:31] <chet> That's a shame. Who are you contacting?
[17-Apr-2007 10:52:42] <Igbothom_III> mailed the email on the website...
[17-Apr-2007 10:54:37] <Igbothom_III> aahhh, there must have been a bloody form
[17-Apr-2007 10:55:24] <Igbothom_III> yup, filled out a webform
[17-Apr-2007 10:58:00] <Igbothom_III> aha - seems that the Zenpacks are not available under OSS
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[17-Apr-2007 11:04:59] <chet> Igbothom_III: Unless they're community developed ZenPacks.. of which none exist yet.
[17-Apr-2007 11:05:40] <creiht> I'm willing to bet there will be several community developed zenpacks available soon after it is released
[17-Apr-2007 11:06:46] <Igbothom_III> that may be useful if they happen to be released...
[17-Apr-2007 11:07:13] <creiht> Zenpacks will be part of the upcoming 2.0 release
[17-Apr-2007 11:07:15] <chet> That'd be a good bet. I have ones for ISC DHCPD and Postfix that I'll be releasing.
[17-Apr-2007 11:07:30] <creiht> I'm working on Postgresql zenpack
[17-Apr-2007 11:07:33] <Igbothom_III> sounding more promising...
[17-Apr-2007 11:08:37] <creiht> And possibly some others if I get some time
[17-Apr-2007 11:08:57] <chet> Ever since I found the SNMP::Persist Perl module things have gotten a lot easier. =}
[17-Apr-2007 11:09:22] <Igbothom_III> all I need is a windows agent
[17-Apr-2007 11:09:44] <Igbothom_III> especially if it can collate SNMP data as well
[17-Apr-2007 11:10:13] <Igbothom_III> even better if it can collate from other windows agents on a network as well, ,eaning less traffic to the monitoring server
[17-Apr-2007 11:10:15] <creiht> Igbothom_III: Learn Python and hack away!
[17-Apr-2007 11:11:56] <Igbothom_III> heh, if I end up using Zenoss, I'll have to learn python, but I don't think I'll be able to learn it, keep working and be able to hack a tool in time - lacking time right now, hence why I'm looking at Zenoss to help me regain some time
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[17-Apr-2007 12:31:03] <chairuou> uhmm I can not findout the reason I see nothing in OS tab of a Cisco router
[17-Apr-2007 12:31:11] <chairuou> anyone have a hint ?
[17-Apr-2007 12:35:27] <chet> Go to the Manage tab and re-collect it. See if there are any errors.
[17-Apr-2007 12:36:15] <chairuou> chet: no error
[17-Apr-2007 12:36:33] <chairuou> snmpwalk return lot of information
[17-Apr-2007 12:37:30] <chet> Try modeling it from the command line.. as the zenoss user.
[17-Apr-2007 12:37:41] <chet> zenmodeler run -v 10 --force --device=yourCiscoRouter
[17-Apr-2007 12:38:44] <chairuou> chet, but other routers is OK, all interfaces displayed but all router only have graph for Ethernet IF, all Serials IF has no graphs at all
[17-Apr-2007 12:41:07] <chet> Oh! Nevermind then.. that's normal.
[17-Apr-2007 12:41:29] <chet> In the current stable version only Ethernet interfaces are graphed by default.
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[17-Apr-2007 12:41:42] <chet> You can quickly fix this though.
[17-Apr-2007 12:41:59] <chet> Go to the PerfConf in /Devices
[17-Apr-2007 12:42:18] <chet> Check ethernetCsmacd, then click Copy.
[17-Apr-2007 12:42:33] <chet> Click paste, then click into the copy of ethernetCsmacd that it makes.
[17-Apr-2007 12:43:02] <chairuou> that mean copy ethernetCsmacd and paste to use it for Serial ?
[17-Apr-2007 12:43:04] <chet> Change the name of the new template to "propPointToPointSerial"
[17-Apr-2007 12:43:14] <chet> Yeah.. "propPointToPointSerial" is the magic name for Cisco serial links.
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[17-Apr-2007 12:47:32] <chairuou> tks
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[17-Apr-2007 13:59:30] <litein> how many devices and services can be monitored with the VM Applicance?
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[17-Apr-2007 15:04:55] <chet> litein: There's no logical limit. It entirely depends on what hardware resources are available to it.
[17-Apr-2007 15:07:55] <litein> ok. thanks.
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[17-Apr-2007 15:41:21] <trich> how can I attach a service to a device? for example, check_nt_cpuload ?
[17-Apr-2007 15:42:35] <chet> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate
[17-Apr-2007 15:42:35] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToNagiosCreateTemplate - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[17-Apr-2007 16:46:34] <densone> hey all
[17-Apr-2007 16:46:49] <chet> Hi densone, what's up?
[17-Apr-2007 16:46:59] <densone> I need some guidance with a question
[17-Apr-2007 16:47:22] <densone> I want to be able to make a request with zenoss
[17-Apr-2007 16:47:26] <densone> say http
[17-Apr-2007 16:47:34] <densone> and have it validate the data
[17-Apr-2007 16:47:48] <densone> whats the best way to accomplish this?
[17-Apr-2007 16:47:52] <chet> Check for a string to exist within the results?
[17-Apr-2007 16:48:00] <chet> Or actually validate it against a standard?
[17-Apr-2007 16:48:29] <densone> validate against a hash that I already have
[17-Apr-2007 16:48:34] <densone> say I make a custom page
[17-Apr-2007 16:48:44] <densone> and I md5 it
[17-Apr-2007 16:49:00] <densone> and I just make the request md5 the data and make sure it matches
[17-Apr-2007 16:49:03] <densone> something like that
[17-Apr-2007 16:49:18] <chet> I see.. makes sense.
[17-Apr-2007 16:49:39] <densone> I am running ruby mongrel cluster
[17-Apr-2007 16:49:39] <chet> There's definitely nothing built-in to handle that case, but it seems like it would be a trivial plugin to write.
[17-Apr-2007 16:49:49] <densone> ok
[17-Apr-2007 16:50:00] <densone> thats what I have to look at
[17-Apr-2007 16:50:07] <densone> the plugin architecture
[17-Apr-2007 16:50:11] <chet> Are you already familiar with integrating Nagios plugins to Zenoss?
[17-Apr-2007 16:50:16] <densone> no
[17-Apr-2007 16:50:20] <creiht> The easiest thing right now would be to write a nagios plugin
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[17-Apr-2007 16:51:02] <densone> k, does zenoss already have the plugin system built in
[17-Apr-2007 16:51:04] <chet> densone: It's quite simple.. in fact, I could send you something to put you on the right path.
[17-Apr-2007 16:51:08] <densone> or do I have to compile
[17-Apr-2007 16:51:09] <chet> yeah
[17-Apr-2007 16:51:22] <chet> No compiling.. you can write in whatever language you're comfortable with.
[17-Apr-2007 16:51:30] <densone> sure email addr is sean@densone.com
[17-Apr-2007 16:51:35] <bzed> python++
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[17-Apr-2007 16:52:59] <densone> but.. the nagios architecture is part of zenoss?
[17-Apr-2007 16:53:24] <chet> There's really no such thing as a Nagios architecture. The plugins spec is as simple as the return code and one line of text.
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[17-Apr-2007 16:55:07] <densone> ok. so zenoss controls that plugin though?
[17-Apr-2007 16:55:15] <chet> yes
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[17-Apr-2007 16:55:54] <densone> I just found it in the doc
[17-Apr-2007 16:56:04] <densone> so it runs on the machine being monitored
[17-Apr-2007 17:01:28] <chet> No.. this instance would run on the Zenoss server.
[17-Apr-2007 17:10:48] <densone> k
[17-Apr-2007 17:11:07] <densone> So I have to install nagios plugins
[17-Apr-2007 17:11:12] <densone> and then call with zencommand?
[17-Apr-2007 17:12:25] <chet> Since it would be a custom plugin you don't need any of the stock ones for this particular purpose.
[17-Apr-2007 17:12:56] <chet> I emailed you an example plugin to do what you're talking about..
[17-Apr-2007 17:13:19] <chet> You can find instructions for integrating this into Zenoss at: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate
[17-Apr-2007 17:13:19] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToNagiosCreateTemplate - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[17-Apr-2007 17:14:22] <densone> sweet thanks
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[17-Apr-2007 17:50:53] <densone> ok so I see how to add the check_http and its great, now is that automatically monitored once enabled?
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[17-Apr-2007 18:10:48] <densone> hey guys not sure if my last message made it through bc my laptop freaked out
[17-Apr-2007 18:11:08] <densone> wondering how to monitor a nagios plugin once its setup under perfconf
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[17-Apr-2007 21:18:30] <Igbothom_III> http://www.mibdepot.com/downloads/mibs/microsoft.mibs.zip <-- could be handy
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[17-Apr-2007 22:57:27] <densone> I have a couple of plugin questions if anyone if down to see if they can help
[17-Apr-2007 23:40:33] <densone> q
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[18-Apr-2007 08:12:28] <cavediver> Hi.
[18-Apr-2007 08:13:07] <cavediver> Just installed zenoss. Seems very nice. However Extreme Networks wasn't availible as a manufacurer. Is there a way to import manufacturer info ?
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[18-Apr-2007 08:30:59] <b52laptop> cavediver, extreme networks = ?
[18-Apr-2007 08:36:41] <bzed> b52laptop: http://www.extremenetworks.com/
[18-Apr-2007 08:36:41] <adytum-bot> Title: Extreme Networks (at www.extremenetworks.com)
[18-Apr-2007 08:37:00] <b52laptop> bzed, ok
[18-Apr-2007 08:40:58] <cavediver> I guess one must have the mib-tree to collect all info. Choosed unknown now and all I got was uptime info. I need ifAlias and traffic measurement on interfaces at least-
[18-Apr-2007 08:41:53] <bzed> if I remember right you can download the mibs from their homepage
[18-Apr-2007 08:44:02] <cavediver> Hmm ok.
[18-Apr-2007 08:44:11] <cavediver> Extreme or zenoss +
[18-Apr-2007 08:44:12] <cavediver> ?
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[18-Apr-2007 09:05:58] <cavediver> Hm ok now I have the mib-tree.
[18-Apr-2007 09:06:13] <cavediver> But I can't seem to find a way to import it.
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[18-Apr-2007 09:25:59] <chet> cavediver: Copy it into $ZENHOME/share/mibs/site/ then run "zenmib run" as the zenoss user.
[18-Apr-2007 09:29:24] <cavediver> Ah ok
[18-Apr-2007 09:29:57] <chet> This is discussed a bit in the FAQ: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/FAQ
[18-Apr-2007 09:29:57] <adytum-bot> Title: FAQ - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[18-Apr-2007 10:50:56] <cavediver> chet: Hm I have no share catalouge in that directory.
[18-Apr-2007 10:57:46] <cavediver> I'll create it then.
[18-Apr-2007 10:59:09] <cavediver> It imported the name but no entrys. Got an error message aswell:
[18-Apr-2007 11:01:22] <cavediver> sh: line 1 10422 Segmentation fault smidump -fpython "/home/zenoss/share/mibs/site/v730b49.mib" 2>/dev/null
[18-Apr-2007 11:01:43] <cavediver> INFO:zen.zenmib:Loaded mib EXTREME-ENH-DOS-MIB
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[18-Apr-2007 11:57:40] <nate> does zenoss support acknowledgements via email for service alerts/pages?
[18-Apr-2007 12:02:52] <b52laptop> nate, could i ask yu ! how did yu get that "3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097.org" in yur nick ?
[18-Apr-2007 12:03:31] <nate> it's the hostname of the machine I IRC from.
[18-Apr-2007 12:03:41] <b52laptop> nice host
[18-Apr-2007 12:04:05] <nate> thanks, few seem to catch it
[18-Apr-2007 12:04:23] <creiht> wow
[18-Apr-2007 12:04:28] <creiht> In a very weird way
[18-Apr-2007 12:04:47] <creiht> I wound up talking about that hostname yesterday
[18-Apr-2007 12:04:47] * b52laptop drop a " hello" to creiht
[18-Apr-2007 12:04:51] <creiht> howdy
[18-Apr-2007 12:05:03] <creiht> someone suggestions using pi as a hostname
[18-Apr-2007 12:05:24] <creiht> And the above domain came up
[18-Apr-2007 12:05:42] <b52laptop> nate, yeah mail ackownledgement is supportted from what i reaad , i think sms too
[18-Apr-2007 12:05:46] <b52laptop> for pager no idea
[18-Apr-2007 12:05:58] <creiht> nate: And to your question, I don't believe that it currently supports that, but it is a cool idea
[18-Apr-2007 12:06:03] <creiht> b52laptop: Notifications are
[18-Apr-2007 12:06:12] <creiht> acknowledgement is not
[18-Apr-2007 12:06:34] <creiht> As in, you can have an email sent when an event occurs
[18-Apr-2007 12:06:37] * b52laptop is googeling for the meanning of acknoledgement :d
[18-Apr-2007 12:06:59] <creiht> But you can't reply to the email so that the event will be acknowledged in Zenoss
[18-Apr-2007 12:07:16] <nate> ouch
[18-Apr-2007 12:07:19] <nate> that's a problem for us then
[18-Apr-2007 12:07:25] <nate> I was hoping to replace nagios/cacti with this
[18-Apr-2007 12:07:34] <creiht> nate: It probably isn't there because nobody has asked for it yet
[18-Apr-2007 12:07:56] <creiht> One thing that I have found is that the developers are very open to requests
[18-Apr-2007 12:08:07] <creiht> So I would at least try requesting it, and see what they say
[18-Apr-2007 12:08:25] <nate> it looks like you may be able to ACK via HTTP
[18-Apr-2007 12:08:41] <nate> but that becomes extra steps for us since our pager does not do HTTP
[18-Apr-2007 12:08:50] <creiht> nate: I bet you could add a link in the email that is sent that would ack it
[18-Apr-2007 12:08:53] <nate> we'd have to manually ACK via a phone with browser or a laptop
[18-Apr-2007 12:09:03] <nate> that still creates an extra step
[18-Apr-2007 12:09:09] <nate> we receive alerts to a pager, not cell phones.
[18-Apr-2007 12:09:22] <creiht> How would a pager send a signal back?
[18-Apr-2007 12:09:30] <creiht> And how do you do that currently with Nagios?
[18-Apr-2007 12:10:11] <nate> it's a two way pager, supports email
[18-Apr-2007 12:10:15] <nate> but not http
[18-Apr-2007 12:10:22] <creiht> ahh
[18-Apr-2007 12:10:23] <nate> ACKs are standard in nagios
[18-Apr-2007 12:10:48] <creiht> Ahh... guess I didn't realize that you could ack an event through email in nagios
[18-Apr-2007 12:10:57] <nate> yup
[18-Apr-2007 12:11:00] <creiht> Not that I have had a whole lot of experience with it
[18-Apr-2007 12:11:20] <creiht> None the less, I would recommend sending an email to the mailing list
[18-Apr-2007 12:11:29] <creiht> saying that you need that functionality to move from nagios
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:00] <creiht> And see what happens
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:14] <b52laptop> :d
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:17] <nate> actually, apparently I am wrong
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:23] <creiht> ?
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:27] <nate> I've been informed by my coworkers that the email ACK is a hack we wrote.
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:32] <creiht> haha
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:34] <nate> for nagios
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:44] <creiht> You could probably hack it similarly for zenoss
[18-Apr-2007 12:12:45] <nate> so I may be able to adapt zenoss after all
[18-Apr-2007 12:13:18] <nate> we do this so that when you receive a page at 3am you can simply ACK it and go back to bed
[18-Apr-2007 12:13:24] <nate> you don't have to drag out a laptop or something
[18-Apr-2007 12:13:27] <creiht> hehe
[18-Apr-2007 12:13:35] <creiht> That would be ncie
[18-Apr-2007 12:14:57] <creiht> Off to lunch... bbl
[18-Apr-2007 12:15:06] <nate> yeah it comes in handy
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[18-Apr-2007 15:17:46] <pbaumgartner> is there a template to pull all the extra info from Dell's openmanage snmp?
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[18-Apr-2007 15:22:08] <tryfan> hi all, can't seem to find the manual configuration for a device in zenoss. I've got it detecting all the services, and that's great but all the services run on different IPs, and it's reporting that pop3 is on 0.0.0.0 which is obviously wrong.
[18-Apr-2007 15:23:02] <tryfan> how do I redefine this IP or simply make it use a custom command, like telnetting to the IP/port and expecting +Hello There OK: or whatever?
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[18-Apr-2007 15:23:24] <HsBZH> plop
[18-Apr-2007 15:24:18] <HsBZH> i have some problem to install zenoss on my slackware, is there help here please ?
[18-Apr-2007 15:24:34] <tryfan> what would you like to know?
[18-Apr-2007 15:25:03] <HsBZH> it's during the installation, there is an error: gmake: *** [mysql-python-install] Error 1
[18-Apr-2007 15:25:12] <HsBZH> but mysql and python are installed
[18-Apr-2007 15:25:37] <HsBZH> and python-dev is included into the python package for slack
[18-Apr-2007 15:25:46] <HsBZH> so i dont understand
[18-Apr-2007 15:26:26] <HsBZH> logs : /usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/3.4.6/../../../../i486-slackware-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lmysqlclient_r
[18-Apr-2007 15:26:27] <HsBZH> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[18-Apr-2007 15:26:59] <tryfan> hm, it looks like it can't find a mysql shared library
[18-Apr-2007 15:27:16] <HsBZH> yep it seems
[18-Apr-2007 15:28:53] <tryfan> you don't have the thread safe library mysqlclient_r, workaround is: export mysqlclient=mysqlclient then try to build again, but for performance, I'd rebuild the mysql server making sure that threading or whatever gives you that library is enabled
[18-Apr-2007 15:29:24] <tryfan> what mysql version btw?
[18-Apr-2007 15:29:31] <HsBZH> 5
[18-Apr-2007 15:29:37] <tryfan> 5......
[18-Apr-2007 15:29:48] <tryfan> 5.what.what?
[18-Apr-2007 15:29:55] <HsBZH> 5.0.37
[18-Apr-2007 15:30:05] <tryfan> that should be fine
[18-Apr-2007 15:30:21] <tryfan> looks like it was compiled without some sort of threading support, which is odd
[18-Apr-2007 15:30:50] <tryfan> do you have /usr/lib/libmysqlclient_r.so ?
[18-Apr-2007 15:30:53] <HsBZH> hum i think i had not compiled with this...
[18-Apr-2007 15:30:59] <HsBZH> wait i'll see
[18-Apr-2007 15:31:16] <tryfan> either run the export above or recompile with the new option
[18-Apr-2007 15:31:40] <HsBZH> nop
[18-Apr-2007 15:31:49] <HsBZH> just libmysqlclient.so
[18-Apr-2007 15:31:56] <HsBZH> ok
[18-Apr-2007 15:32:12] <HsBZH> the option will be --with-odd right ?
[18-Apr-2007 15:32:57] <tryfan> actually, I'm not sure, I haven't used slack for years
[18-Apr-2007 15:33:13] <HsBZH> k but options are the sames
[18-Apr-2007 15:33:42] <HsBZH> and for me i use slack since 1 week for a work placement
[18-Apr-2007 15:33:51] <HsBZH> usually i'm using debian
[18-Apr-2007 15:34:10] <HsBZH> thx anyway
[18-Apr-2007 15:34:30] <tryfan> not with gentoo...in fact, I never selected threading specifically, but I compiled with berkdb, perl and ssl
[18-Apr-2007 15:34:38] <tryfan> so not specific to threading
[18-Apr-2007 15:34:48] <tryfan> weird that it would come without it
[18-Apr-2007 15:35:11] <tryfan> do you know zenoss itself pretty well?
[18-Apr-2007 15:35:18] <HsBZH> nop at all
[18-Apr-2007 15:35:22] <tryfan> same here
[18-Apr-2007 15:35:27] <HsBZH> ^^
[18-Apr-2007 15:35:39] <tryfan> I just installed it a few hours ago, and can't figure out how do redefine an IP...ick
[18-Apr-2007 15:36:12] <HsBZH> erf
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[18-Apr-2007 15:36:41] <HsBZH> if you have a solution tell me because its possible i'll have the same problem :/
[18-Apr-2007 15:37:00] <tryfan> I'm running all sorts of services, pop3, dns, smtp, but all on different IPs
[18-Apr-2007 15:37:10] <tryfan> it's saying that pop3 is on 0.0.0.0
[18-Apr-2007 15:37:13] <tryfan> so it fails
[18-Apr-2007 15:37:41] <HsBZH> is pop3 is in localhost ?
[18-Apr-2007 15:38:46] <tryfan> no, courier-imap looks like it can only bind to one ip
[18-Apr-2007 15:40:15] <tryfan> well, besides 0.0.0.0
[18-Apr-2007 15:40:30] <HsBZH> but if you are using imap, why do you need pop ?
[18-Apr-2007 15:41:24] <HsBZH> configure ok with the ogg option
[18-Apr-2007 15:41:29] <HsBZH> i'll compile now
[18-Apr-2007 15:44:06] <tryfan> courier-imap is a package that supplies both imap/pop and secure versions of both
[18-Apr-2007 15:44:27] <HsBZH> ok
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[18-Apr-2007 15:44:33] <creiht> tryfan: Is it just for that one service, or all services on that box?
[18-Apr-2007 15:45:27] <creiht> You can change the ip of the box in the manage tab
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[18-Apr-2007 16:08:27] <tryfan> creiht: the different services on the box run on different IPs and the box is firewalled to not allow say, smtp on the pop1 hostname
[18-Apr-2007 16:09:08] <tryfan> so smtp is only allowed on one IP, same with pop3, and they're all separate
[18-Apr-2007 16:10:09] <creiht> oh
[18-Apr-2007 16:10:36] <creiht> Not sure I will be able to help with that one... sorry
[18-Apr-2007 16:13:11] <tryfan> it's no problem, it's an odd configuration, but necessary for redundancy
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[18-Apr-2007 16:15:29] <chet> tryfan: A lot of people in this circumstance monitor the process, not the port.
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[18-Apr-2007 16:18:59] <tryfan> chet: that's true, but for a real test of whether the users can access the service via the port, wouldn't the better test be connecting to it from an outside source?
[18-Apr-2007 16:19:31] <tryfan> sure, it's extremely rare that a process would screw up where it wasn't accepting connections and still be active, but it's possible
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[18-Apr-2007 16:25:33] <tryfan> let me put it this way, my old monitor is nagios, which looks like a glorified pinger next to zenoss, but, should I be using snmp instead of thinking about plugins like a nagios user?
[18-Apr-2007 16:26:05] <creiht> tryfan: The snmp polling will scale a whole lot further than nagios plugins will
[18-Apr-2007 16:26:58] <tryfan> creiht: true enough, I've seen that by looking at some of the examples...I just know nothing about it. I have an o'reilly book on the subject, so maybe I should just read it
[18-Apr-2007 16:27:34] <creiht> tryfan: Quite a bit of information can be exposed through snmp
[18-Apr-2007 16:28:08] <tryfan> creiht: it's got it's own terminology, so it's not something you can dive right into, but I agree that it's the way to go
[18-Apr-2007 16:28:33] <creiht> It does have its own gaps and annoyances
[18-Apr-2007 16:28:35] <creiht>
[18-Apr-2007 16:28:51] <creiht> but you can fill those gaps with some type of plugin or agent
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[18-Apr-2007 16:46:35] <chet> tryfan: For doing "synthetic transactions" style monitoring, you're forced to use Nagios style plugins at the moment.
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[18-Apr-2007 16:49:57] <chet> To fully monitor your POP server, you'd probably want a plugin that you could feed the proper IP/hostname to connect to, username/password to authenticate as, message number to read, and a string to match within that message. This would cover your virtual IP problem, test IP connectivity, test your authentication mechanism and your actual mail-store all at once.
[18-Apr-2007 16:50:08] <chet> Basically the other end of the spectrum from making sure the process is running.
[18-Apr-2007 16:53:08] <chet> Synthetic transactions are great for detecting that a problem exists. Old fashioned process/port/log monitoring is a great way of determining why a problem exists. Doing both forms, and only alerting on synthetic transaction failures is a pretty good combination.
[18-Apr-2007 16:53:10] <creiht> or that just a port is open
[18-Apr-2007 16:56:22] <tryfan> wow, that's good advice, and I'll definitely look it over. I'd write my own scripts for the logins and checks. I'm going to head off and read that snmp book now. Thanks very much
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[18-Apr-2007 16:57:06] <creiht> chet: Have you heard if anyone is working on more advanced service monitoring for Zenpacks?
[18-Apr-2007 16:58:17] <chet> creiht: I'm not sure what you mean. One of the purposes for a ZenPack would be to implement more advanced service monitoring a particular type of service..
[18-Apr-2007 16:58:26] <creiht> right
[18-Apr-2007 16:58:46] <creiht> I was just wondering
[18-Apr-2007 16:58:50] <chet> The idea being that you write the logic youself. =}
[18-Apr-2007 16:58:55] <creiht> hehe
[18-Apr-2007 16:59:13] <chet> Are you familiar with NSClient for Nagios? For monitoring Windows servers?
[18-Apr-2007 16:59:26] <creiht> Well I thought another purpose for zenpacks was to have an easy way to share said plugins
[18-Apr-2007 16:59:27] <creiht> no
[18-Apr-2007 16:59:50] <chet> Yeah, that's definitely true.. I was going to use NSClient as an example.
[18-Apr-2007 17:01:03] <creiht> I was just wondering if you had heard of anyone making some basic service polling enhancements
[18-Apr-2007 17:01:34] <chet> No, nothing yet. A lot of people talking about it, but the infrastructure for it is still very new.
[18-Apr-2007 17:01:38] <creiht> yeah
[18-Apr-2007 17:01:48] <creiht> I've jsut started to look at it, but need more time
[18-Apr-2007 17:02:14] <chet> Have you seen the HelloWorldZenPack?
[18-Apr-2007 17:02:16] <creiht> yeah
[18-Apr-2007 17:02:29] <creiht> One thing that seems a bit odd
[18-Apr-2007 17:02:34] <creiht> Is that at first glance
[18-Apr-2007 17:02:44] <creiht> If you are doing polling
[18-Apr-2007 17:03:08] <creiht> each new zenpack will have its own daemon
[18-Apr-2007 17:04:29] <chet> Yeah, that's definitely true. If none of the existing pollers can be made to do what you want, what other recourse do you have? =}
[18-Apr-2007 17:04:50] <chet> I'm betting that ZenPacks come out, they will become dependent upon each other.
[18-Apr-2007 17:05:28] <creiht> I was thinking it would be nice to have a basic daemon that the different zenpacks could plug into
[18-Apr-2007 17:07:05] <chet> Someone might come out with a SoapZenPack that only handles low-level passing of SOAP method/responses.. then someone else comes along with a "AcmeSoapServicePack" that uses the daemon from SoapZenPack..
[18-Apr-2007 17:07:18] <creiht> true
[18-Apr-2007 17:07:27] <chet> You already have daemons that can handle SNMP collecting, pinging, basic TCP and UDP port tests..
[18-Apr-2007 17:07:40] <chet> If that covers your use-case, don't develop your own daemon.. use the ones that already exist.
[18-Apr-2007 17:08:24] <creiht> hrmm
[18-Apr-2007 17:08:35] <creiht> I'll have to look closer
[18-Apr-2007 17:08:41] <creiht> Like one of the things I would lke to do
[18-Apr-2007 17:08:45] <creiht> for the common services
[18-Apr-2007 17:08:52] <creiht> for example SMTP
[18-Apr-2007 17:09:04] <creiht> right now it basically checks that the port is open
[18-Apr-2007 17:09:13] <creiht> I would like for it to connect to the port
[18-Apr-2007 17:09:20] <creiht> check the return code to make sure it is valid
[18-Apr-2007 17:09:28] <creiht> issue a QUIT statement
[18-Apr-2007 17:09:36] <creiht> and make sure it issues the right return code
[18-Apr-2007 17:09:48] <creiht> that is probably one of the most basic examples
[18-Apr-2007 17:10:26] <creiht> Not truely synthetic, but makes sure that the service is really answering
[18-Apr-2007 17:10:58] <chet> Yeah.. a lot of people would want that. You could create a TcpConversationZenPack or something to that effect. It would be useful for many purposes.
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[18-Apr-2007 19:46:28] <jason1> hi all
[18-Apr-2007 19:47:23] <jason1> im trying to install the dep for zenoss on centos, mysql is giving me some grief. its telling me that the mysql-client rpm is conflicting with my mysql-4.1.... package
[18-Apr-2007 19:54:39] <bzed> jason1: you need mysql 5.0.25 or newer
[18-Apr-2007 19:55:15] <bzed> err, 5.0.22
[18-Apr-2007 19:56:15] <bzed> anything below that will not work
[18-Apr-2007 20:03:13] <jason1> yea just read in the faq
[18-Apr-2007 20:04:17] <jason1> its all goon now anyway i found the allmighty vmware image
[18-Apr-2007 20:04:17] <jason1> gona take that for a whirl instead
[18-Apr-2007 20:20:43] <bzed> have fun
[18-Apr-2007 20:20:44] <bzed> n8
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[19-Apr-2007 11:16:36] <nate> if you rename a host, how do you delete alerts for the old one? I still have events for the old host that no longer exists (it was renamed)
[19-Apr-2007 11:33:51] <chet> Just move them into history.
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[19-Apr-2007 11:36:42] <nate> move what?
[19-Apr-2007 11:36:47] <nate> the events?
[19-Apr-2007 11:44:18] <chet> yes
[19-Apr-2007 11:44:53] <nate> I fail to see how to do that
[19-Apr-2007 11:45:06] <nate> I see nothing for 'move'
[19-Apr-2007 11:45:23] <nate> ah, history button at the bottom. got it
[19-Apr-2007 11:47:12] <nate> well that didn't do it
[19-Apr-2007 11:47:21] <nate> a whole new wave of events just came through for those hosts
[19-Apr-2007 11:47:28] <nate> why is it still trying to monitor the old name of a host?
[19-Apr-2007 11:47:40] <nate> if I click the device name, it shows a blank page
[19-Apr-2007 11:47:45] <nate> because that device doesn't even exist any more
[19-Apr-2007 11:47:55] <nate> yet it is still trying to monitor it
[19-Apr-2007 11:48:49] <chet> The daemons update their configurations at long intervals. Changes you make in the web interface don't always happen immediately.
[19-Apr-2007 11:49:03] <chet> You can restart zenoss to make them all re-read their configurations.
[19-Apr-2007 11:49:05] <nate> I made these changes last night at 5pm before I left work
[19-Apr-2007 11:49:11] <nate> and I rebooted the machine this morning
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[19-Apr-2007 11:49:20] <nate> I'll try flushing it again though
[19-Apr-2007 11:49:24] <chet> What's an example of one of these events?
[19-Apr-2007 11:50:17] <Gamekiller77> dose any one know what package would have snmpwalk
[19-Apr-2007 11:50:20] <nate> localhost.localdomain zenping heartbeat failure
[19-Apr-2007 11:50:21] <Gamekiller77> i do not have it on my system
[19-Apr-2007 11:50:40] <nate> Gamekiller77: tinysnmpwalk
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[19-Apr-2007 11:50:46] <nate> try that
[19-Apr-2007 11:50:59] <chet> nate: ah.. you renamed the zenoss server.
[19-Apr-2007 11:51:09] <chet> nate: Try going into "Event Manager" and hitting "Clear Heartbeats"
[19-Apr-2007 11:51:22] <Gamekiller77> when i try and run it via zenoss it get command not found
[19-Apr-2007 11:51:45] <chet> Gamekiller77: What Linux distribution are you running?
[19-Apr-2007 11:51:58] <nate> k
[19-Apr-2007 11:52:01] <Gamekiller77> Ubuntu 6.10
[19-Apr-2007 11:52:09] <nate> it's tinysnmpwalk
[19-Apr-2007 11:52:12] <nate> install that package
[19-Apr-2007 11:52:24] <nate> then run /usr/bin/tinysnmpwalk
[19-Apr-2007 11:53:02] <Gamekiller77> ok but then if i run it via the venoss web interface it will fail should i make an alies
[19-Apr-2007 11:53:17] <chet> Gamekiller77: You'd be better off installing the snmp package.
[19-Apr-2007 11:53:28] <chet> It's what Zenoss expect you to have.
[19-Apr-2007 11:53:36] <Gamekiller77> i thought i did is the problem
[19-Apr-2007 11:53:39] <Gamekiller77> hmm
[19-Apr-2007 11:54:35] <creiht> Gamekiller77: It should be in the snmp package
[19-Apr-2007 11:55:00] <chet> I just verified that on my Ubuntu 6.10 machine..
[19-Apr-2007 11:55:09] <chet> aptitude install snmp
[19-Apr-2007 11:55:53] <Gamekiller77> ok
[19-Apr-2007 11:56:10] <Gamekiller77> then the walksnmp should be set or do i need to add a line to path
[19-Apr-2007 11:56:25] <chet> The path should already be set.
[19-Apr-2007 11:56:31] <Gamekiller77> got it now
[19-Apr-2007 11:56:33] <Gamekiller77> go fig
[19-Apr-2007 11:56:34] <Gamekiller77> thanks
[19-Apr-2007 11:57:08] <Gamekiller77> it working now
[19-Apr-2007 11:57:09] <Gamekiller77> hehe
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[19-Apr-2007 11:59:15] <Gamekiller77> i am not seeing any graphs for my cisco switchs or router is there something i need to setup
[19-Apr-2007 11:59:57] <chet> That should happen automatically. Are you going to the OS tab and clicking on the interface you want to see the graph for?
[19-Apr-2007 12:00:13] <Gamekiller77> hmm
[19-Apr-2007 12:00:22] <Gamekiller77> no i ahev not do that yet hold on
[19-Apr-2007 12:01:02] <Gamekiller77> ok i see the ports and subnets
[19-Apr-2007 12:01:07] <Gamekiller77> oo ok
[19-Apr-2007 12:01:14] <Gamekiller77> i feel like so stupid now
[19-Apr-2007 12:03:05] <chet> You shouldn't.. most people expect to see all the graphs on the device-level page.
[19-Apr-2007 12:03:07] <nate> is it suggested to use FQDN over just the host?
[19-Apr-2007 12:03:18] <nate> I get errors about server1 and server1.mydomain.com sharing the same IP
[19-Apr-2007 12:03:28] <chet> nate: Absolutely.. it will still monitor it by the IP, so you don't have to worry about events storms in the case of a DNS failure.
[19-Apr-2007 12:03:46] <Gamekiller77> ok when i click on hte OS tab then the port status
[19-Apr-2007 12:03:51] <Gamekiller77> there still not graph
[19-Apr-2007 12:03:52] <nate> well my issue is more along the lines of gigantic devices names VS short ones
[19-Apr-2007 12:04:01] <nate> using FQDN takes up so much more space
[19-Apr-2007 12:04:03] <chet> Gamekiller77: How long ago did you add the device in question?
[19-Apr-2007 12:04:06] <nate> and everything is on the same domain, so why use it?
[19-Apr-2007 12:04:14] <Gamekiller77> week or 2 ago
[19-Apr-2007 12:04:55] <chet> nate: It'll work with whatever name you put in. Just make sure you don't have both versions in there.
[19-Apr-2007 12:05:05] <nate> I don't, but it seems to complain I do
[19-Apr-2007 12:05:17] <nate> wait, they are gone now..
[19-Apr-2007 12:05:27] <nate> didn't touch anything
[19-Apr-2007 12:05:29] <nate> *shrug*
[19-Apr-2007 12:05:35] <nate> I'll give it an hour to flush out stuff
[19-Apr-2007 12:05:38] <nate> check back on it later
[19-Apr-2007 12:06:01] <chet> Renaming the zenoss server has been known to cause some weird problems.
[19-Apr-2007 12:06:04] <nate> wait no, it is still there
[19-Apr-2007 12:06:09] <chet> It might have something to do with the hosts file.
[19-Apr-2007 12:06:10] <nate> yeah, it has been renamed
[19-Apr-2007 12:06:15] <nate> when it was installed it had no DNS yet
[19-Apr-2007 12:06:35] <nate> hosts is empty accept for localhost.localdomain
[19-Apr-2007 12:08:05] <chet> That's strange. Could you use the search box and enter "server1" or the real name just to make sure you only get one result?
[19-Apr-2007 12:08:27] <nate> only the one (non FQDN) host shows up
[19-Apr-2007 12:08:41] <nate> should I delete the device and remake it?
[19-Apr-2007 12:09:44] <chet> Couldn't hurt.
[19-Apr-2007 12:11:02] <nate> there's a lot of weird things it's doing
[19-Apr-2007 12:11:07] <nate> I guess I have a lot more reading to do
[19-Apr-2007 12:11:23] <nate> like it's reporting errors for procs I never told it to monitor.. that it says are not running, that actually are running.
[19-Apr-2007 12:11:53] <nate> Process not running: ntpd -u ntp:ntp -p /var/ru...
[19-Apr-2007 12:12:02] <nate> $ ps aux |grep ntpd
[19-Apr-2007 12:12:02] <nate> ntp 2731 0.0 0.4 6272 6272 ? SLs 09:43 0:00 ntpd -u ntp:ntp -p /var/run/ntpd.pid
[19-Apr-2007 12:12:16] <nate> looks to be running just fine to me
[19-Apr-2007 12:12:22] <nate> and why is it even reporting on that
[19-Apr-2007 12:12:30] <nate> I never told it to monitor ntpd on that host
[19-Apr-2007 12:18:38] <chet> For some reason the default behavior is to monitor any processes that it recognizes. This seems weird to me too. You can change that behavior very easily. Go to Processes in the menu, then to its zProperties and set the Monitor property to false for the root of the process tree.
[19-Apr-2007 12:18:50] <nate> I deleted and readded it and it still shows the same error as before. So I dunno..
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[19-Apr-2007 12:47:25] <progma> anyone have zenoss installed in rhel, specifically rhel5
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[19-Apr-2007 12:59:38] <creiht> progma: I have it installed on RHEL3
[19-Apr-2007 13:00:19] <chet> progma: Haven't heard about anyone trying it on 5 yet. What version of MySQL and Python does it come with?
[19-Apr-2007 13:10:22] <progma> chet: not sure yet; i just finished a reinstall from 4 to 5
[19-Apr-2007 13:10:43] <creiht> It has python 2.4 so that shouldn't be a problem
[19-Apr-2007 13:10:47] <creiht> Not sure about MySQL
[19-Apr-2007 13:10:51] <progma> mysql 5
[19-Apr-2007 13:11:08] <progma> 5.0.22-2.1
[19-Apr-2007 13:11:50] <progma> python - 2.4.3-19.el5 yup
[19-Apr-2007 13:14:07] <chet> Cool.. that'll help with Zenoss for sure.
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[19-Apr-2007 13:32:22] <progma> well i will let you guys know how well it goes in rhel5
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[19-Apr-2007 13:48:47] <Kevin704> Quick question - if I am running Dell OpenManage do I need SNMP-Informant? Will it provide any additional information?
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[19-Apr-2007 13:52:37] <FEON> Is there a graphical mapper within Zenoss that can build/update a device map showing devices and connections?
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[19-Apr-2007 15:14:21] <progma> Kevin704: what is the OS? i have dell omsa installed on all my poweredges, and graph some ipmi stuff like cpu temps via snmp
[19-Apr-2007 15:14:57] <progma> if it's windows, if i remember correctly to get any more than the basic snmp stuff you have to add something like snmp-informant; not sure if that affects dell mibs as well
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[19-Apr-2007 15:28:11] <trich> I've added a nagios check per the instructions at http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate, however I can't find where I can see the status of the checks
[19-Apr-2007 15:29:21] <chet> trich: You can't see the status of the check unless you add a graph for one of the data points it returns. An event will be generated if there is a failure.
[19-Apr-2007 15:29:52] <trich> chat: is there no logs for the commands?
[19-Apr-2007 15:30:23] <trich> s/chat/chet/g
[19-Apr-2007 15:31:22] <chet> There is zencommand.log
[19-Apr-2007 15:33:07] <chet> You could even run "zencommand run -v 10" to get more verbose output from the command runner.
[19-Apr-2007 15:33:18] <trich> that's what I needed
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[19-Apr-2007 15:57:56] <FEON> does zenoss have a graphical mapping tool that builds a map of components and connections displaying the result in a topology maps display?
[19-Apr-2007 16:00:35] <chet> FEON: No.
[19-Apr-2007 16:02:06] <FEON> chet: Is there any development effort toward it?
[19-Apr-2007 16:09:33] <chet> Not that I'm aware of, but the developers are pretty open to suggestions.
[19-Apr-2007 16:14:16] <FEON> thanks chet, we might just take it on ... but just want to make sure no one else was already doing it
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[19-Apr-2007 17:19:50] <tessier_> From: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/10/1849252 "Hinkle says that Zenoss uses the commercial version of SugarCRM so that they have someone to call if they need support."
[19-Apr-2007 17:19:50] <adytum-bot^> Title: Linux.com | Zenoss builds a competitive advantage with open source infrastructure (at www.linux.com)
[19-Apr-2007 17:19:50] <tessier_> Huh? What does zenoss have to do with crm?
[19-Apr-2007 17:21:31] <nate> I'm assuming they mean Zenoss, the company, who provides customer support, uses SugarCRM.
[19-Apr-2007 17:51:17] <bzed> yeah, I think that's what mark says in his blog entry, too
[19-Apr-2007 17:54:38] <Gamekiller77> well i going to test zenoss on Ubuntu 7.02 new build
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[19-Apr-2007 18:15:28] <bzed> Gamekiller77: in a fwe weeks you'll be able to get a packages version for debian and ubuntu
[19-Apr-2007 18:22:32] <Gamekiller77> nice
[19-Apr-2007 18:26:08] <Gamekiller77> thanks
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[20-Apr-2007 19:41:52] <jberry> Hey, can somebody give an estimate for the next zenoss release?
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[20-Apr-2007 19:49:12] <jberry> And how come the device events view takes so dang long to render
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[20-Apr-2007 19:51:15] <Gamekiller77> so i got ubuntu 7.02 and zenoss working fine
[20-Apr-2007 19:52:45] <Gamekiller77> i upgraded from 6.10 and it did not brake a thing that i can find
[20-Apr-2007 19:53:40] <bzed> if you've installed with the zenoss installer this doesn;t make me wonder
[20-Apr-2007 19:54:09] <bzed> feisty ships a more recent libc6 probably, but the new libcs are usually pretty much compatible to the old versions
[20-Apr-2007 19:54:25] <Gamekiller77> yah
[20-Apr-2007 19:54:31] <Gamekiller77> i was just happy it did not brake
[20-Apr-2007 19:54:38] <Gamekiller77> i did have to manualy start it
[20-Apr-2007 19:54:43] <Gamekiller77> stop then start
[20-Apr-2007 19:55:11] <bzed> in the next version it'll be as package
[20-Apr-2007 19:55:19] <bzed> apt-get install zenoss... done...
[20-Apr-2007 19:55:22] <bzed> well
[20-Apr-2007 19:55:39] <bzed> that how it will be with debian, but I think some ubuntu developer will grab the stuff
[20-Apr-2007 19:56:55] <Gamekiller77> well yah just be in a differnt source
[20-Apr-2007 19:57:30] <Gamekiller77> is there an easyer way to get the mib for cisco
[20-Apr-2007 19:57:36] <Gamekiller77> or so i ahve to DL each file
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[20-Apr-2007 20:29:11] <Gamekiller77> ok i am for the day night all
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[21-Apr-2007 17:17:03] <tanjianaus> has anyone here deployed additional performance or status monitors and converted comms protocol to XML-RPC?
[21-Apr-2007 17:17:24] <tanjianaus> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5829#5829
[21-Apr-2007 17:17:24] <adytum-bot^> Title: Forums :: View topic - Zenoss + remote monitors (very slow) (at community.zenoss.com)
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[21-Apr-2007 17:24:57] <tanjianaus> has anyone here deployed additional performance or status monitors and converted comms protocol to XML-RPC?
[21-Apr-2007 17:25:17] <tanjianaus> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5829#5829
[21-Apr-2007 17:25:17] <adytum-bot^> Title: Forums :: View topic - Zenoss + remote monitors (very slow) (at community.zenoss.com)
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[23-Apr-2007 01:55:25] <jason1> hi
[23-Apr-2007 01:55:40] <jason1> how does one install yum onto the vmware appliance??
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[23-Apr-2007 12:35:29] <jberry> Hey, can anybody give me information about a problem I'm having with restarting zencommand? When I press the "restart" button for it from the gui, it works, the first time.
[23-Apr-2007 12:35:57] <jberry> But subsequent attempts to shutdown zenoss or to stop or restart that process from the GUI, fail to stop that command.
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[24-Apr-2007 13:49:53] <jberry> hey, this is a lively channel
[24-Apr-2007 13:52:01] <jp10558> only when people are having problems
[24-Apr-2007 14:04:08] <Bulwinkle> Shows this is a great product
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[25-Apr-2007 12:11:08] <M1ke> hey
[25-Apr-2007 12:11:27] <M1ke> anyone here
[25-Apr-2007 12:12:37] <chet> At least the two of us.
[25-Apr-2007 12:13:12] <M1ke> i'm havin a bit of trouble getting zenoss to pick up the snmp on my linksys router
[25-Apr-2007 12:14:09] <M1ke> keeps saying no snmp found for ip
[25-Apr-2007 12:14:15] <M1ke> but i turned it on
[25-Apr-2007 12:15:01] <chet> ok, are you familiar with snmpwalk?
[25-Apr-2007 12:15:14] <M1ke> not really
[25-Apr-2007 12:15:44] <M1ke> let me download it 1 sec
[25-Apr-2007 12:15:45] <chet> No problem. Do you know which SNMP version and community the Linksys is setup with?
[25-Apr-2007 12:16:19] <M1ke> i don't know the version but i can set the community in the linksys settings
[25-Apr-2007 12:16:34] <M1ke> it's a WRV54G
[25-Apr-2007 12:16:47] <M1ke> the wireless vpn one
[25-Apr-2007 12:17:07] <chet> What platform are you running Zenoss on?
[25-Apr-2007 12:17:36] <M1ke> it's the vmware image so i can test it out before i deploy it
[25-Apr-2007 12:17:50] <M1ke> it gets the other devices fine
[25-Apr-2007 12:18:31] <M1ke> ok i have snmp walk
[25-Apr-2007 12:19:17] <chet> Try this: snmpwalk -v2c -c public <routerIp> system
[25-Apr-2007 12:19:28] <chet> Assuming public is your community string.
[25-Apr-2007 12:20:11] <M1ke> snmpwalk -v2c -c public <routerIp> system
[25-Apr-2007 12:20:15] <M1ke> ops
[25-Apr-2007 12:20:24] <M1ke> Timeout: No Response from 192.168.1.1
[25-Apr-2007 12:21:14] <M1ke> here is the settings that i can set on the router
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:09] <M1ke> Enabled: Yes
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:09] <M1ke>
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:09] <M1ke> Contact: Mike
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:09] <M1ke> Device Name: Linksys
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:09] <M1ke> Location: Office
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:10] <M1ke> Get Community: public
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:12] <M1ke> Set Community: private
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:14] <M1ke> SNMP Trap-Community: trap
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:16] <M1ke> SNMP Trusted Host: not set
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:18] <M1ke> SNMP Trap-Destination: not set
[25-Apr-2007 12:23:43] <chet> Try version 1: snmpwalk -v1 -c public <routerIp> system
[25-Apr-2007 12:24:34] <M1ke> include "version 1:"?
[25-Apr-2007 12:24:59] <M1ke> no response
[25-Apr-2007 12:24:59] <chet> What?
[25-Apr-2007 12:25:06] <M1ke> nvm i got it
[25-Apr-2007 12:25:14] <M1ke> still says no response
[25-Apr-2007 12:25:57] <chet> Are there any other SNMP settings on the Linksys. Maybe something that restricts which IPs can poll it?
[25-Apr-2007 12:26:23] <M1ke> that is what the trusted host settings does
[25-Apr-2007 12:26:36] <M1ke> i tried setting that to the zenoss server and still a no go
[25-Apr-2007 12:26:54] <chet> Try setting that again, then retrying those snmpwalks
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[25-Apr-2007 12:28:42] <m2ke> sorry got dc
[25-Apr-2007 12:29:09] <chet> Try setting the trusted host to your zenoss IP again, then trying those snmpwalks.
[25-Apr-2007 12:29:18] <m2ke> k
[25-Apr-2007 12:31:40] <m2ke> no response still
[25-Apr-2007 12:32:38] <m2ke> lol i hate linksys
[25-Apr-2007 12:32:43] <chet> Do you have to restart it after making the changes?
[25-Apr-2007 12:33:22] <m2ke> no i set it back to the host lasttime i reset it
[25-Apr-2007 12:34:38] <m2ke> could it be running on a different port?
[25-Apr-2007 12:35:41] <chet> I doubt it, but it's possible.
[25-Apr-2007 12:36:04] <chet> Does it have a firewall that you have to punch a hole in?
[25-Apr-2007 12:36:34] <m2ke> turned all that crap off because i was getting frustrated
[25-Apr-2007 12:42:48] <m2ke> think it is a problem with the firmware going to try and update it
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[25-Apr-2007 12:46:04] <m2ke> do you know if it's possible to setup zenoss to have a server at each location and have a central server where all the data gets sent for multiple site networks?
[25-Apr-2007 12:46:22] <m2ke> like i have 2 offices and i only want 1 zenoss install
[25-Apr-2007 12:46:37] <m2ke> but want to monitor both offices
[25-Apr-2007 12:47:49] <chet> Partially, yes. You can only have one ZODB though. There are a a couple of ways to handle multiple sites.
[25-Apr-2007 12:48:06] <chet> The easiest is to not treat it as multiple sites and just monitor remote sites over a VPN.
[25-Apr-2007 12:48:28] <chet> The harder way is to setup remote status/performance monitors that report back to the central ZODB.
[25-Apr-2007 12:48:47] <m2ke> how much harder would the second way be
[25-Apr-2007 12:50:04] <chet> There's a tutorial out there somewhere that goes through it step-by-step, but the real difficulty is managing two installations and keeping their versions in sync through upgrades and all of that.
[25-Apr-2007 12:50:14] <chet> If you can do #1, I highly recommend it.
[25-Apr-2007 12:50:47] <m2ke> what would you recomend as the vpn software openvpn? i have had bad lick with msras
[25-Apr-2007 12:50:59] <chet> Personally I love OpenVPN.
[25-Apr-2007 12:51:04] <m2ke> k
[25-Apr-2007 12:51:26] <m2ke> other than the version problems is there any other downside to the second option
[25-Apr-2007 12:53:23] <chet> Few people are running a configuration like that, and there is no official documentation for it. So you'll likely run into problems that you have to figure out for yourself.
[25-Apr-2007 12:53:38] <m2ke> ok thanks
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[25-Apr-2007 17:31:08] <KeithBilly> ? - I've installed zenoss on my mac and got it running all fine and dandy. I've installed net-snmp on 3 FreeBSD machines, the dev machine where in the office (FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE) works great zenoss discovered everything about it. The two production machines ( the ones that matter ) running the same freebsd only show very minimal information. It couldn't even figure out what type of os was running, and when i try and "collect" info
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[25-Apr-2007 20:12:00] <b52Centos> hello
[25-Apr-2007 20:13:21] <b52Centos> people can yu tool a look at http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotit2.png
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[25-Apr-2007 20:13:22] <b52Centos> i got a problem to get events
[25-Apr-2007 20:43:39] <b52Centos> any one please "D
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[26-Apr-2007 06:46:10] <b52GM> can any one help to see some kinds of graphs and get events ?
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[26-Apr-2007 08:32:04] <b52GM> please someone to help me oin the perf conf ?
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[26-Apr-2007 09:51:40] <b52GM> i install with rpm
[26-Apr-2007 09:51:51] <b52GM> what the defaul password of zenoss user
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[26-Apr-2007 09:56:07] <M1ke> hey anyone here
[26-Apr-2007 09:56:39] <M1ke> is there any way to setup zenoss to use a hostname to monitor computers instead of an ip address
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[26-Apr-2007 10:01:24] <sleon> hi all
[26-Apr-2007 10:01:34] <sleon> is zenoss something like openview ?
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[26-Apr-2007 10:36:36] <erastes> anyone alive?
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[26-Apr-2007 10:49:55] <shibby_laptop> yo...I've got a quick question.
[26-Apr-2007 10:49:56] <shibby_laptop> default page size
[26-Apr-2007 10:50:03] <shibby_laptop> is there a mzx on the preference value?
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[26-Apr-2007 10:55:58] <erastes> does anyone know how to get the simpleDashboard working on the new zenoss? Since the login mechanism has changed I am unable to anonymously access anything, including the custom dashboard.
[26-Apr-2007 10:57:22] <shibby_laptop> erastes sorry, I'm not sure about that one | hopefulyl someone else will pop in
[26-Apr-2007 10:57:53] <erastes> this is the most active I have ever seen this channel.
[26-Apr-2007 10:58:01] <erastes> usually it's idle for days at a time.
[26-Apr-2007 10:58:12] <erastes> thanks for your willingness to help though
[26-Apr-2007 10:59:04] <chet> erastes: I haven't tried it yet on the new version either.
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[26-Apr-2007 11:01:02] <erastes> there's nothing about it on the forums or mailing list.
[26-Apr-2007 11:01:07] <chet> shibby_laptop: mzx?
[26-Apr-2007 11:02:06] <shibby_laptop> oops
[26-Apr-2007 11:02:07] <shibby_laptop> max
[26-Apr-2007 11:02:12] <shibby_laptop> a max limit chet
[26-Apr-2007 11:03:08] <chet> Only the amount of memory your browser can chew up.
[26-Apr-2007 11:03:33] <chet> I've set my events up to 2000 before.. slowed firefox down a bit, but it worked.
[26-Apr-2007 11:03:55] <erastes> I've gone up to 5000
[26-Apr-2007 11:04:05] <shibby_laptop> holy crap
[26-Apr-2007 11:04:21] <shibby_laptop> is there a best practice? or is it really only user preference
[26-Apr-2007 11:04:27] <erastes> when a firewall started spewing events I had to in order not to spend forever marking them all as acknowledged
[26-Apr-2007 11:04:29] <chet> The real "holy crap" is that when I selected all and moved to history or acknowledged it was pretty fast.. ~5 seconds.
[26-Apr-2007 11:04:39] <shibby_laptop> aight, tx
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[26-Apr-2007 15:41:23] <ecrist> anyone around that can help me out a bit?
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[26-Apr-2007 16:26:26] <jp10558> Hey. after a few weeks of everything running OK, I happened to restart zenoss on my test machine, and now I cannot access the web interface at all
[26-Apr-2007 16:26:41] <jp10558> top on the server shows python and python 2.4 competing for all CPU time
[26-Apr-2007 16:27:00] <jp10558> any ideas? Server reboot?
[26-Apr-2007 16:39:57] <jp10558> I tried a reboot - no luck
[26-Apr-2007 16:40:06] <jp10558> It was doing so well too
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[26-Apr-2007 16:55:41] <_zack> hi all, I'm a zenoss newbie, with some question about the "distributed" nature of zenoss
[26-Apr-2007 16:56:11] <_zack> for example, is ssh the only way of "distribute" zenoss monitoring? what if I need to monitor a host which is NAT-ed?
[26-Apr-2007 17:06:45] <bzed> one NATed host would probably not a big problem, but several hsots behind one IP... not sure if it's possible to monitor that with anything. at least I'd not know how to solve this problem with nagios
[26-Apr-2007 17:08:24] <bzed> but since zenoss is pretty modular i guess you could add the missing features, if you ahve a server to run the data collecors on, which is accessible from the outside
[26-Apr-2007 17:08:36] <bzed> but... no clue, it's just a guess
[26-Apr-2007 17:08:53] <_zack> hi bzed
[26-Apr-2007 17:09:00] <bzed> hey zack
[26-Apr-2007 17:09:02] <bzed>
[26-Apr-2007 17:09:36] <_zack> are the data collectors independent software programs that run on distributed host and "call back" the central monitoring server? am i getting this right?
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[26-Apr-2007 17:09:56] <bzed> well, they are not yet
[26-Apr-2007 17:10:06] <_zack> what do you mean?
[26-Apr-2007 17:10:28] <bzed> zenoss comes with several deamons which collect the needed things and write it into mysql and/or the ZEO
[26-Apr-2007 17:10:38] <_zack> so locally ...
[26-Apr-2007 17:10:42] <bzed> yeah
[26-Apr-2007 17:11:20] <_zack> what if I want to have monitoring agent on several machines and look at a global statistic from a machine elsewhere?
[26-Apr-2007 17:11:30] <_zack> I think it's a pretty common issue in large, scattered networks...
[26-Apr-2007 17:12:49] <bzed> the 1.1 documentation doesn't say anythgin about it, but 2.0 will come out soon
[26-Apr-2007 17:13:13] <_zack> do you have any hint that they plan to support something like that?
[26-Apr-2007 17:13:35] <bzed> I think the best hin is the svn
[26-Apr-2007 17:13:43] <_zack> eh
[26-Apr-2007 17:13:43] <_zack> ok
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[26-Apr-2007 17:22:57] <b52GM> any one could help with monitoring of my routeur
[26-Apr-2007 17:23:10] <b52GM> i can not see anything in perf thab
[26-Apr-2007 17:23:15] <b52GM> i'm monitoring with snmp
[26-Apr-2007 17:24:13] <creiht> b52GM: If it is a router, click on one of the interfaces on the OS tab
[26-Apr-2007 17:25:36] <b52GM> creiht, but how to group the graphs of the interfaces that i want and add them to perf of the device
[26-Apr-2007 17:25:46] * b52GM drop a "hello" to creiht
[26-Apr-2007 17:26:59] <b52GM> and how to get graphs that sho data by minute intervales and not days ?
[26-Apr-2007 17:27:05] <b52GM> sho/show
[26-Apr-2007 17:28:19] <creiht> There should be dropdown box at the top
[26-Apr-2007 17:28:32] <creiht> hourly, daily, weekly, etc.
[26-Apr-2007 17:29:02] <creiht> As for putting them on the perf tab, I am not completely sure
[26-Apr-2007 17:29:08] <b52GM> argh no minutes :d
[26-Apr-2007 17:29:37] <creiht> hehe
[26-Apr-2007 17:29:42] <creiht> Well you can zoom in
[26-Apr-2007 17:29:55] <b52GM> argh yeah
[26-Apr-2007 17:29:56] <creiht> And remember that it collects in 5 min intervals
[26-Apr-2007 17:30:12] <creiht> So you can only go down to a certain granularity
[26-Apr-2007 17:30:28] <b52GM> hm
[26-Apr-2007 17:31:50] <b52GM> moving some graphs of dedicated interfaces in a dashroad/perf of the devices seems interesting but seems complex to do !
[26-Apr-2007 17:38:03] <b52GM> people are you monitoring ssh true nagions plugin ?
[26-Apr-2007 17:39:23] <b52GM> i want to establish if someone connect true my ssh i want get an alert to a cell phone , is it possible ?
[26-Apr-2007 17:39:47] * b52GM is asking stupid question
[26-Apr-2007 17:40:34] <creiht> b52GM: Probably the easiest way to do that is set sshd to log each connection and send that to ZenOSS with syslog
[26-Apr-2007 17:41:08] <b52GM> euh
[26-Apr-2007 17:41:44] <b52GM> creiht, a link to a faq that describe that , or i must google
?[26-Apr-2007 17:41:50] <creiht> hehe
[26-Apr-2007 17:41:52] <creiht> hrmm
[26-Apr-2007 17:42:54] <creiht> b52: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToForwardSyslogMessagesToZenoss
[26-Apr-2007 17:42:54] <adytum-bot^> Title: HowToForwardSyslogMessagesToZenoss - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[26-Apr-2007 17:44:20] <b52GM> creiht, ok thanks
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[26-Apr-2007 19:28:57] <cavediver> Hi.
[26-Apr-2007 19:29:24] <cavediver> What's the easiest way to get a new manufacturer in Zenoss ?
[26-Apr-2007 19:46:09] <cavediver> I get seg fault when trying to import the mib
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[26-Apr-2007 20:08:50] <cavediver> Anyone here ?
[26-Apr-2007 20:58:11] <bzed> a seg fault?
[26-Apr-2007 20:59:07] <bzed> bot a normal python backtrace, but a real segfault ?
[26-Apr-2007 21:03:40] <cavediver> Dunnu.
[26-Apr-2007 21:03:55] <cavediver> That's what it says anyway
[26-Apr-2007 21:26:05] <bzed> where does it say it?
[26-Apr-2007 21:26:31] <bzed> are you on a console at the moemnt, oder in the browser and the output is from somewhere deep in zope?
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[27-Apr-2007 06:05:26] <_zack> hi all, question about the distributed nature of zenoss: what's the best deployment solution for having several monitoring instances of zenoss (e.g. scattered in several LANs) and collect data from a single source?
[27-Apr-2007 06:05:56] <_zack> if I understood that correctly the various instances in the LANs will all have an sql database, some rrd data, and a zeodb locally
[27-Apr-2007 06:06:09] <_zack> right?
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[27-Apr-2007 08:19:07] <jp10558> anyone know how to check / fix the http interface for zenoss? I restarted zenoss, and it seems everything but the web interface is working
[27-Apr-2007 08:28:33] <bzed> is a zope process running?
[27-Apr-2007 08:30:04] <jp10558> I did top
[27-Apr-2007 08:30:08] <jp10558> and I don't see zope listed
[27-Apr-2007 08:30:20] <jp10558> can I just do sevice zope start?"
[27-Apr-2007 08:31:42] <jp10558> ok, that didn't work - how do I start zope?
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[27-Apr-2007 08:42:07] <jp10558> when I try and start zope with zopectl start I get python2.4 using up most of the CPU for a few minutes and then nothing
[27-Apr-2007 08:42:16] <jp10558> no new processes I can see . . . no web interface...
[27-Apr-2007 08:42:25] <jp10558> any idea what log file might give a clue?
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[27-Apr-2007 09:19:49] <bzed> jp10558: the zenoss start/stop script should start the zope server
[27-Apr-2007 09:20:38] <bzed> there shoudl be a log file somewhere in your zenoss directory.... not exactly sure where, as I can't look into it yet
[27-Apr-2007 09:22:11] <jp10558> I would have thought it would - it used to
[27-Apr-2007 09:24:13] <bzed> is probably some other process blocking the port?
[27-Apr-2007 09:29:25] <jp10558> mmm , netstat just shows portmap at 8080
[27-Apr-2007 09:29:28] <jp10558> what is that?
[27-Apr-2007 09:32:18] <erastes> does anyone know how to enable anonymous access to the simpleDashboard in the new zenoss? The login mechanism changed and now you have to login to see anything
[27-Apr-2007 09:43:13] <bzed> jp10558: portmap is the portmapper.. you need it for nfs and several other services
[27-Apr-2007 09:43:39] <bzed> but portmap should listen on 111 and not on 8080
[27-Apr-2007 09:43:53] <bzed> are you sure it's on 8080? and on which port is zenoss runnign normally?
[27-Apr-2007 09:43:54] <bzed> well
[27-Apr-2007 09:44:24] <bzed> you probably want to find a trustworthy linux geek and give him a shell on your computer
[27-Apr-2007 09:46:38] <jp10558> Well, looks like I need to bump this to my linux guys then
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[27-Apr-2007 13:54:55] <jp10558> Well, we changed the port - no luck
[27-Apr-2007 13:55:02] <jp10558> still cannot connect to the web interface
[27-Apr-2007 13:55:26] <jp10558> can I do an upgrade to 1.1.2 without loosing the configuration? Would it be at all likely to fix this problem?
[27-Apr-2007 13:55:45] <jp10558> And what is the recommendation for 1.1.2 on SL4/RHEL4? I see RHEL5...
[27-Apr-2007 13:55:53] <jp10558> Should I use the CENTOS 43?
[27-Apr-2007 13:56:00] <jp10558> or try source again?
[27-Apr-2007 13:56:09] <chet> Changed what port?
[27-Apr-2007 13:56:29] <chet> Sorry, I probably missed how this discussion started..
[27-Apr-2007 13:56:34] <jp10558> oh for portmapper
[27-Apr-2007 13:56:57] <jp10558> basically, yesterday we were playing with using an alternate e-mail address for alerts as opposed to the users e-mail address
[27-Apr-2007 13:57:11] <jp10558> we were sending to hypernews for a mailing list style alert management
[27-Apr-2007 13:57:27] <jp10558> anyway, it wasn't working quite right, so we turned off ZenSysLog and enabled syslog to see what was happening
[27-Apr-2007 13:57:37] <jp10558> my linux guy wanted to restart zenoss, we did
[27-Apr-2007 13:57:56] <jp10558> ever since that, zenoss has been working, but the web interface is down - either connection reset or 404
[27-Apr-2007 13:58:07] <jp10558> well, no sorry not 404, actually a time out in FF
[27-Apr-2007 13:58:25] <jp10558> so, I was netstating to see what was happening, if something was blocking the port on a recommendation from here
[27-Apr-2007 13:58:42] <jp10558> portmapper was for some reason, we restarted that, it grabbed a different port
[27-Apr-2007 13:58:45] <jp10558> leaving 8080 open
[27-Apr-2007 13:58:52] <jp10558> we restarted zenoss again from the commandline script
[27-Apr-2007 13:59:04] <jp10558> and again, zenoss seems to be monitoring and all, but the web interface is MIA
[27-Apr-2007 14:00:41] <chet> Odd..
[27-Apr-2007 14:00:56] <chet> Run "lsof -P | grep 8080" as root
[27-Apr-2007 14:01:08] <chet> Then "zopectl status" as the zenoss user.
[27-Apr-2007 14:01:49] <jp10558> the first returns nothing
[27-Apr-2007 14:02:34] <jp10558> second returns daemon manager not running
[27-Apr-2007 14:03:23] <chet> The do "zopectl start" as the zenoss user.. wait a second, then do the "zopectl status" again.
[27-Apr-2007 14:04:33] <jp10558> I get program running, PID=16534
[27-Apr-2007 14:04:42] <jp10558> err 16532
[27-Apr-2007 14:05:32] <chet> So far so good.. try the web interface.
[27-Apr-2007 14:05:58] <jp10558> Server not found
[27-Apr-2007 14:06:02] <jp10558> from firefox
[27-Apr-2007 14:06:47] <jp10558> though now, firefox seems to be trying http://server:8080, but then failing out and saying http://www.server.com:8080 ... I think this is just because FF is not getting a connection to the first though
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[27-Apr-2007 14:07:34] <jp10558> ok
[27-Apr-2007 14:07:54] <jp10558> now I got it to say Unable to connect to http://server:8080
[27-Apr-2007 14:07:54] <jp10558> but still get that error
[27-Apr-2007 14:08:19] <chet> I wonder if iptables is blocking the connection..
[27-Apr-2007 14:08:23] <jp10558> Opera gives the same error, so the thing is down
[27-Apr-2007 14:08:30] <jp10558> we don't run iptables on the machine?
[27-Apr-2007 14:08:42] <chet> ok, run the lsof command again.
[27-Apr-2007 14:08:52] <jp10558> And just now, when I ran zopectl status
[27-Apr-2007 14:08:57] <jp10558> it says the daemon isn't running
[27-Apr-2007 14:09:10] <jp10558> the lsof is blank also
[27-Apr-2007 14:09:20] <chet> Hmm.. do you have any *.zec files in $ZENHOME/var ?
[27-Apr-2007 14:09:46] <jp10558> yes
[27-Apr-2007 14:09:54] <jp10558> I have zeo1-1.zec
[27-Apr-2007 14:10:25] <chet> Remove that file, then do zopectl start again.
[27-Apr-2007 14:10:33] <chet> Then try the web interface.
[27-Apr-2007 14:11:40] <jp10558> that did it
[27-Apr-2007 14:11:43] <jp10558> amazing
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[27-Apr-2007 14:12:47] <chet> That zeo1-1.zec files is the persistent cache for the zope application server. On rare occasions it can become corrupt.
[27-Apr-2007 14:13:46] <jp10558> That .... maybe should go on a wiki somewhere (or did I just not find it)
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[27-Apr-2007 14:20:16] <jp10558> Thank you chet
[27-Apr-2007 14:20:20] <jp10558> that was a great help
[27-Apr-2007 14:20:39] <chet> No problem.. it's one of those problems that's tricky to search for.
[27-Apr-2007 14:23:36] <erastes> none of you know how to enable anonymous access in the new zenoss do you?
[27-Apr-2007 14:25:24] <chet> Someone on the mailing list suggested creating a "public" account, then sticking ?__ac_name=public&__ac_password=password" on the end of the URL.
[27-Apr-2007 14:26:57] <jp10558> So, looking forward - how is the upgrade process for 2 looking? Or just in general, how are the devs treating upgrading?
[27-Apr-2007 14:28:00] <chet> They're very concerned with making upgrading as painless as possible. After all, they have customer that need to be upgraded.
[27-Apr-2007 14:28:29] <chet> I did the upgrade on my system, and it worked after some initial problems. Really it's just a documentation issue. The support is there for it.
[27-Apr-2007 14:28:51] <creiht> jp10558: I've done about 5 upgrades now, and they have all gone fairly smoothly... I would expect that to continue
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[27-Apr-2007 14:33:50] <jp10558> Ok - seeing as my initial issues were with RPMs... does the source install support an upgrade?
[27-Apr-2007 14:34:48] <WolfeWLU> Any chance we can get a site to contribute templates to?
[27-Apr-2007 14:40:36] <chet> RPM and source both support upgrades. *Please* always backup your whole zenoss directory before doing either one though.. you may be glad you did.
[27-Apr-2007 14:42:54] <jp10558> ok, good to know
[27-Apr-2007 14:44:01] <chet> WolfeWLU: That would be nice, but I don't see any actual Zenoss people on here at the moment.
[27-Apr-2007 14:45:16] <WolfeWLU> Hmm...
[27-Apr-2007 14:45:26] <jp10558> chet: you're not a Zenoss person? You do a good impersonation.
[27-Apr-2007 14:45:49] <WolfeWLU> We're doing a lot of leg work getting Juniper, Foundry and Solaris 10 templates together...thought it'd be nice to share the wealth. :-)
[27-Apr-2007 14:46:25] <jp10558> It would be!
[27-Apr-2007 14:46:27] <chet> jp10558: heh.. I'm just a user like you.
[27-Apr-2007 14:47:03] <chet> WolfeWLU: At the very least you could package them up and send to the mailing list/forum.
[27-Apr-2007 14:48:15] <WolfeWLU> chet: That'd work. Thanks. :-)
[27-Apr-2007 14:49:02] <chet> The mailing list is a lot more active than this channel. Not as many people interested in IRC these days.
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[27-Apr-2007 14:49:47] <WolfeWLU> chet: That's too bad. Its really nice when you're in a bind and need a fix. :-)
[27-Apr-2007 14:51:12] <chet> I think they prefer to trade that kind of support for money. =}
[27-Apr-2007 14:51:13] <bzed> WolfeWLU: is that all under an open source license?
[27-Apr-2007 14:51:31] <WolfeWLU> bzed: The templates?
[27-Apr-2007 14:51:34] <WolfeWLU> Yeah. BSD.
[27-Apr-2007 14:51:34] <bzed> yes
[27-Apr-2007 14:51:57] <WolfeWLU> Anything we contribute is usually under BSD.
[27-Apr-2007 14:52:24] <bzed> can you put them on some webpage, together with an appropriate license/copyright file?
[27-Apr-2007 14:52:34] <WolfeWLU> Sure. We can put 'em on a blog.
[27-Apr-2007 14:52:35] <bzed> probably in an archive or so
[27-Apr-2007 14:53:09] <bzed> if you've done so and I'm not here, please drop a mail to 361253@bugs.debian.org
[27-Apr-2007 14:53:53] <WolfeWLU> bzed: Will do.
[27-Apr-2007 14:53:58] <bzed> I'll integrate them into the debian packag we're working on and I'll also send the zenoss people to your blog
[27-Apr-2007 14:54:02] <bzed> thanks a lot
[27-Apr-2007 14:54:27] <WolfeWLU> bzed: That'd be terrific. Thank you!
[27-Apr-2007 14:55:01] <bzed> no a problem at all, thanks for sharing the templates!
[27-Apr-2007 14:55:49] <WolfeWLU> bzed: Np. Pain should be a onetime thing. ;-)
[27-Apr-2007 14:56:09] <bzed> definitely
[27-Apr-2007 14:56:33] <bzed> that's why I try to finish my new server tonight, so I can get the dbeian packages done.... a lot of work waiting
[27-Apr-2007 14:57:25] <WolfeWLU> :-)
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[27-Apr-2007 14:59:35] <jp10558> Hmm, the forum seems much slower than IRC
[27-Apr-2007 14:59:56] <jp10558> I wish I could join the mailing list, it sounds like everything is happening there ... and not getting to the forum
[27-Apr-2007 15:01:40] <bzed> http://community.zenoss.com/discussion-groups
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[27-Apr-2007 15:07:09] <jp10558> my god - it actually worked instead of giving an error this time!
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[28-Apr-2007 04:17:14] <_zack> question about the wiki: is it editable by registered users of the community? I tried using my community acocunt credentials but the login failed...
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[28-Apr-2007 17:14:42] <cavediver> Hi... I can't seem to get my extreme-mibs in and working.
[28-Apr-2007 17:15:12] <cavediver> When I add a switch I only get uptime-measurement and nothing seems to be recognized.'
[28-Apr-2007 17:17:55] <cavediver> I need some help getting those mibs in there
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[28-Apr-2007 17:50:33] <cavediver> Noone here ?
[28-Apr-2007 17:57:23] <cavediver> That's bad... for me
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[29-Apr-2007 06:01:54] <Scapy> hi im getting errors when im installing zenoss : build-functions.sh: line 212: mysql_config: command not found
[29-Apr-2007 06:08:23] <dene> what os ?
[29-Apr-2007 06:12:48] <Scapy> debian
[29-Apr-2007 06:25:31] <Scapy> hmm
[29-Apr-2007 06:25:35] <Scapy> any ideas anyone
[29-Apr-2007 06:33:44] <dene> ah
[29-Apr-2007 06:33:44] <dene> sorry
[29-Apr-2007 06:33:51] <Scapy>
[29-Apr-2007 06:33:51] <dene> there's a mysql-dev package you need to install
[29-Apr-2007 06:33:57] <dene> should be able to just apt-get install mysql-dev
[29-Apr-2007 06:33:59] <Scapy> can you direct me to it
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:11] <dene> if not, you can apt-cache search mysql | grep dev
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:12] <Scapy> nope not there can i have a repo for it ?
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:14] <dene> and it'll show up there
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:18] <dene> um
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:19] <Scapy> nope did that all
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:21] <dene> good question
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:27] <dene> i dont have access to a debian box right now
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:39] <dene> holdon
[29-Apr-2007 06:34:46] <Scapy>
thanks[29-Apr-2007 06:36:00] <dene> libmysql++-dev
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:00] <dene> sorry
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:05] <dene> that should be the badger
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:09] <Scapy> SHWEET
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:20] <Scapy> i have it but i didnt think i would install it hehe
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:22] <dene> ah
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:23] <dene> no
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:25] <dene> that's not it
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:30] <dene> libmysqlclient15-dev
[29-Apr-2007 06:36:32] <dene> that is
[29-Apr-2007 06:37:03] <dene> if you look here:
[29-Apr-2007 06:37:10] <dene> http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
[29-Apr-2007 06:37:10] <adytum-bot^> Title: Debian -- Packages (at www.debian.org)
[29-Apr-2007 06:37:10] <dene> you can type in a filename on the last form
[29-Apr-2007 06:37:12] <dene> and it'll find what package it's in
[29-Apr-2007 06:37:37] <Scapy> found it in my repos
[29-Apr-2007 06:40:40] <Scapy> shall i keep all installation default answers better ?
[29-Apr-2007 06:40:54] <dene> i'd change the passwords if i were you
[29-Apr-2007 06:40:59] <dene> but other than that, the defaults are fine
[29-Apr-2007 06:40:59] <Scapy> yeah i did that
[29-Apr-2007 06:42:07] <Scapy> hmmm file to patch ?
[29-Apr-2007 06:42:52] <Scapy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18226/
[29-Apr-2007 06:42:52] <adytum-bot^> Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[29-Apr-2007 06:43:34] <Scapy> i dont have bzip2 installed ?
[29-Apr-2007 06:43:37] <Scapy> hehe
[29-Apr-2007 06:44:46] <dene> nope
[29-Apr-2007 06:44:54] <dene> install it
[29-Apr-2007 06:45:25] <Scapy> hmmm i have python crypto and its nagging about it
[29-Apr-2007 06:46:47] <Scapy> unpacking pycrypto-1.9a6 in build/ installing pycrypto make: *** [pycrypto-install] Error 1
[29-Apr-2007 06:48:24] <Scapy> i wonder if its an python-m2crypto problem
[29-Apr-2007 06:48:32] <Scapy> <3 python i assume it is
[29-Apr-2007 06:48:36] <Scapy> let me check
[29-Apr-2007 06:48:53] <dene> check zenbuild.log
[29-Apr-2007 06:50:59] <Scapy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18227/
[29-Apr-2007 06:50:59] <adytum-bot^> Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[29-Apr-2007 06:50:59] <Scapy> i cant figure it out though
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[29-Apr-2007 06:54:04] <dene> you need the python dev package as well
[29-Apr-2007 06:54:32] <dene> use the debian package page to find out what package Python.h lives in
[29-Apr-2007 06:56:51] <Scapy> damn that site is useful
[29-Apr-2007 06:57:02] <dene> indeed
[29-Apr-2007 06:57:05] <Scapy> indeed
[29-Apr-2007 06:57:17] <Scapy> im new to debian acctually
[29-Apr-2007 06:58:04] <dene> i only use it because i inherited it
[29-Apr-2007 06:58:08] <dene> and we run ftp.nz.debian.org ;p
[29-Apr-2007 07:00:11] <bzed> you have luck
we're working on debian packages at the moment[29-Apr-2007 07:00:29] <dene> that'd be nice
[29-Apr-2007 07:00:30] <bzed> should be in unstable at the end of may hopefullt
[29-Apr-2007 07:00:33] <bzed> hopefully
[29-Apr-2007 07:00:44] <Scapy> nice
[29-Apr-2007 07:00:45] <dene> also would be nice not to have to have a second version of everything within the zenoss dist
[29-Apr-2007 07:00:48] <Scapy> is ti all in python ?
[29-Apr-2007 07:01:06] <dene> but that's just a nicety
[29-Apr-2007 07:01:09] <dene> i dont mind all that much
[29-Apr-2007 07:01:32] <bzed> dene: right, that's why it's a bit of work to package it
[29-Apr-2007 07:01:52] <dene> yup, not so much complaining
[29-Apr-2007 07:01:58] <dene> has it's benefits as well
[29-Apr-2007 07:02:02] <dene> -'
[29-Apr-2007 07:02:20] <bzed> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1551&highlight= you wanna read that until there're packages
[29-Apr-2007 07:02:20] <adytum-bot^> Title: Forums :: View topic - Installing on Debian etch using mostly native packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[29-Apr-2007 07:02:53] <dene> eh, until there's an actual packages
[29-Apr-2007 07:02:57] <Scapy> question
[29-Apr-2007 07:03:02] <Scapy> is zenoss better or nagios ?
[29-Apr-2007 07:03:05] <dene> i'd rather just be able to tar cf /usr/local/zenoss
[29-Apr-2007 07:03:07] <bzed> dene: yeah. figuring out the real dependencies took me a while, and there's still one dep waiting in NEW
[29-Apr-2007 07:03:11] <dene> that's handy
[29-Apr-2007 07:03:34] <bzed> ah, you could do it the zope way
[29-Apr-2007 07:03:52] <dene> ack
[29-Apr-2007 07:04:00] <dene> and here i thought you were being nice and hiding zope from me
[29-Apr-2007 07:04:01] <dene> ;p
[29-Apr-2007 07:04:04] <bzed> I think there's a backup script somewhere in the zenoss bin dir, and if not, you could use the zope zmi to export your data
[29-Apr-2007 07:04:26] <bzed> Scapy: zenoss. times better than nagios, and you can use the nagios plugins with it
[29-Apr-2007 07:04:43] <bzed> Scapy: and yes, zenoss is all python and runing on zope
[29-Apr-2007 07:04:46] <dene> nagios does have one thing i like, that i can't seem to replicate with zenoss..
[29-Apr-2007 07:04:48] <dene> NRPE
[29-Apr-2007 07:05:02] <Scapy> bzed, nice seems like i will contribute to it if i have free time
[29-Apr-2007 07:05:23] <dene> mind you, i havent tried all that hard
[29-Apr-2007 07:06:03] <bzed> dene: there was a posting about such things on the zenoss user list, seems like they want to add more features for distributed monitoring to 2.0
[29-Apr-2007 07:06:15] <dene> ah
[29-Apr-2007 07:06:29] <dene> perhaps i should pay attention then
[29-Apr-2007 07:06:37] <dene> but i was busy falling off a cliff this weekend =\
[29-Apr-2007 07:06:46] <bzed> Scapy: there's a zenoss-dev mailing list. you can subscribe to it on the profile page in the community part of the website, or just use the forums
[29-Apr-2007 07:07:00] <Scapy> mailing lists are less havoc for me
[29-Apr-2007 07:07:12] <bzed> same here
[29-Apr-2007 07:07:14] <bzed> i hate forums
[29-Apr-2007 07:07:38] <Scapy> i like the idea that its coded in python
[29-Apr-2007 07:07:46] <Scapy> well wait everything now is being coded in python
[29-Apr-2007 07:07:49] <Scapy> heh
[29-Apr-2007 07:08:13] <bzed> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=361253 if there's anything you want to add to the debian packaging, mail it to this bug. please note that the stupid first mails are not from me ;P
[29-Apr-2007 07:08:13] <adytum-bot^> Title: #361253 - ITP: zenoss -- infrastucture monitoring and managment system - Debian Bug report logs (at bugs.debian.org)
[29-Apr-2007 07:13:57] <Scapy> hmmm the mailing list subscribtion doesnt work when i mail zenoss-dev@zenoss.org
[29-Apr-2007 07:14:48] <Scapy> mehhh
[29-Apr-2007 07:14:51] <Scapy> i have to login
[29-Apr-2007 07:15:57] <bzed> yeah
[29-Apr-2007 07:16:26] <bzed> zenoss-dev@zenoss.org is the list
[29-Apr-2007 07:16:55] <bzed> you need to create an account for the community page and then edit your profile, scroll down.. there you can register to the mailigs
[29-Apr-2007 07:19:50] <Scapy> yeah i did that
[29-Apr-2007 07:19:53] <Scapy> MySQL root passwd: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[29-Apr-2007 07:19:54] <Scapy> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'zenoss'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[29-Apr-2007 07:19:54] <Scapy> mysql install, user or password is incorrect
[29-Apr-2007 07:19:59] <Scapy> why am i getting these errorsa
[29-Apr-2007 07:20:04] <Scapy> when i have set passwd for root
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:07] <Scapy> ERROR 1133 (42000): Can't find any matching row in the user table
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:08] <Scapy> mysql> SET PASSWORD FOR 'root'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('mypasswd');
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:08] <Scapy> Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.03 sec)
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:08] <Scapy> mysql> SET PASSWORD FOR 'zenoss'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('mypasswd');
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:08] <Scapy> ERROR 1133 (42000): Can't find any matching row in the user table
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:08] <Scapy> mysql>
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:27] <Scapy> mypasswd isnt mypasswd ofcourse :\
[29-Apr-2007 07:21:31] <bzed> hehe
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:00] <Scapy> bzed, any ideas ?
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:02] <bzed> sorry, that's nothign I know yet
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:14] <Scapy> oh mah gosh
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:18] <Scapy> :\
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:36] <bzed> ask me again when I'm done with all the install scripts for debian
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:48] <Scapy> lol
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:48] <bzed> but ehre're more people, or ask on the user list...
[29-Apr-2007 07:22:52] <Scapy> does this work on freebsd ?
[29-Apr-2007 07:30:35] <bzed> there was a post on the list that somebody tried it on openbsd
[29-Apr-2007 07:30:55] <bzed> seems it's not too uch fun to get all the stuff to compile, but it seems you can do it
[29-Apr-2007 07:31:09] <Scapy> if i get it to work on debian i will try it on freebsd
[29-Apr-2007 07:31:22] <Scapy> im going to remove my root passwd from mysql atm and test again
[29-Apr-2007 07:31:25] * bzed has to leave now.. will be back later or tomorrow...
[29-Apr-2007 07:31:48] <Scapy> have a nice one man
thanks [29-Apr-2007 07:31:51] <bzed> not sure where your problem with the root password is, it worked well when I installed it on debian
[29-Apr-2007 07:31:55] <bzed> you too!
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[29-Apr-2007 08:02:17] <Scapy> anyone alive ?
[29-Apr-2007 08:03:14] <Scapy> i got zenoss running but how do i configure it to add hosts
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[29-Apr-2007 09:37:37] <aaahhh> anyone here
[29-Apr-2007 09:44:20] <aaahhh> nvm
[29-Apr-2007 09:44:26] <aaahhh> figured it out
[29-Apr-2007 09:44:36] <aaahhh> apparently to install from source in ubuntu feisty
[29-Apr-2007 09:44:56] <aaahhh> you have to apt-get install python-all-dev
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[29-Apr-2007 10:25:34] <Scapy> hmmm
[29-Apr-2007 10:25:44] <Scapy> when i add devices to zenoss i dont get full information
[29-Apr-2007 10:25:56] <Scapy> uptime is missing
[29-Apr-2007 10:26:06] <Scapy> and so on
[29-Apr-2007 11:23:30] <Scapy> is any body around yet ?
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[29-Apr-2007 12:24:42] <Scapy> bzed, awake ?
[29-Apr-2007 12:50:10] <Scapy> anyone awake ?
[29-Apr-2007 12:56:25] <bzed> yeah for a few minutes
[29-Apr-2007 13:05:59] <Scapy> hmm
[29-Apr-2007 13:06:07] <Scapy> i donno why am i having problems
[29-Apr-2007 13:07:50] <Scapy> can i see your snmpd.conf
[29-Apr-2007 13:09:54] <Scapy> i cant see my OS , nor H/w , nor , s/w in the devices list
[29-Apr-2007 13:12:30] <Scapy> and the perf isnt showing any graphs
[29-Apr-2007 13:13:01] <Scapy> and when i do collect information
[29-Apr-2007 13:13:11] <Scapy> it takes a hell of a lot of time and no response
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[29-Apr-2007 13:57:30] <Scapy> ???!
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[29-Apr-2007 14:36:20] <Scapy> anyone alive yet
[29-Apr-2007 14:47:30] <Scapy> ! damn support channel hehe !
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[29-Apr-2007 15:01:15] <Scapy> anyone alive yet!
[29-Apr-2007 15:12:01] <cavediver> Yes...
[29-Apr-2007 15:12:02] <cavediver>
[29-Apr-2007 15:12:30] <Scapy> can you help me ? with zenoss
[29-Apr-2007 15:15:26] <cavediver> Sorry, I'm in need of help myself. Totally new to zenoss...
[29-Apr-2007 15:16:41] <Scapy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18271/
[29-Apr-2007 15:16:41] <adytum-bot^> Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[29-Apr-2007 15:16:41] <Scapy> check it if this happens with you
[29-Apr-2007 15:17:04] <Scapy> its taking thousands of minutes
[29-Apr-2007 15:17:18] <cavediver> Haven't seen that
[29-Apr-2007 15:17:24] <Scapy> hmm
[29-Apr-2007 15:17:43] <Scapy> it just stops there
[29-Apr-2007 15:17:57] <Scapy> hmmm im thinking of reinstalling it
[29-Apr-2007 15:18:01] <Scapy> now that snmp is working
[29-Apr-2007 15:19:42] <cavediver> I'm having problem importing mibs..
[29-Apr-2007 15:21:07] <Scapy> im having problems getting it to work acctually
[29-Apr-2007 15:21:19] <Scapy> what guide did you read from and is it on windows or linux
[29-Apr-2007 15:21:45] <cavediver> I'm using the vmware image and have equiment from Extreme.
[29-Apr-2007 15:22:11] <Scapy> i have alot of boxes remote
[29-Apr-2007 15:24:24] <Scapy> what article did you read ?
[29-Apr-2007 15:24:38] <cavediver> A read the official faq.
[29-Apr-2007 15:27:10] <Scapy> hte Admin guide pdf ?
[29-Apr-2007 15:27:19] <cavediver> No, the FAQ.
[29-Apr-2007 15:27:32] <Scapy> hook me up
[29-Apr-2007 15:27:41] <Scapy> i have this shitty admin guide
[29-Apr-2007 15:27:45] <Scapy> i donno who wrote it
[29-Apr-2007 15:27:52] <Scapy> but it sucks
[29-Apr-2007 15:27:56] <cavediver> [#zenoss]
[29-Apr-2007 15:28:00] <cavediver> oops
[29-Apr-2007 15:28:13] <cavediver> http://community.zenoss.com/faq
[29-Apr-2007 16:15:00] <Scapy> damn it its still laggs on collecting information
[29-Apr-2007 16:21:17] <Scapy> is anyone here yet
[29-Apr-2007 16:27:46] <b52lap> Scapy, yu shuld try mailling list ....
[29-Apr-2007 16:28:31] <Scapy> i did
[29-Apr-2007 16:28:33] <Scapy> everything
[29-Apr-2007 16:29:39] <Scapy> i donno
[29-Apr-2007 16:29:40] <Scapy> why
[29-Apr-2007 16:29:44] <Scapy> is it stoping here
[29-Apr-2007 16:30:18] <Scapy> b52lap, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18271/
[29-Apr-2007 16:30:18] <adytum-bot^> Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[29-Apr-2007 16:31:54] <dene> can you actually reach that device ?
[29-Apr-2007 16:58:59] <cavediver> Noone here that can help me get the Extreme networks mib imported correctly ?
[29-Apr-2007 17:01:36] <b52lap> cavediver, mailling list ....
[29-Apr-2007 17:02:02] <cavediver> What´s wrong with irc?
[29-Apr-2007 17:02:18] <Scapy> ok i fixed the timeout issue
[29-Apr-2007 17:02:23] <Scapy> now i cant get the uptime
[29-Apr-2007 17:02:34] <Scapy> Uptime Unknown
[29-Apr-2007 17:02:41] <Scapy> WTF is wrong with it
[29-Apr-2007 17:05:25] <cavediver>
[29-Apr-2007 17:05:48] <cavediver> I ask the same... I can't get along with the mib-importer
[29-Apr-2007 17:06:09] <Scapy> i got it to work one time
[29-Apr-2007 17:06:10] <Scapy> lol
[29-Apr-2007 17:06:14] <Scapy> i cant remember what i did
[29-Apr-2007 18:20:06] <Scapy> hmmm
[29-Apr-2007 18:20:12] <Scapy> i wish someone useful would wake up
[29-Apr-2007 18:24:29] <b52lap> Scapy, you got a very polite way to ask for help ....
[29-Apr-2007 18:24:46] <Scapy> b52lap, i have patience
[29-Apr-2007 18:25:44] <b52lap> Scapy, i mean , yu are "ordering " people t help yu ... irc channel support is an advantage not an obligation ....
[29-Apr-2007 18:26:18] <Scapy> b52lap, i dont see my self ordering
[29-Apr-2007 18:26:25] <Scapy> dont get offended anyways
[29-Apr-2007 18:26:42] <b52lap> Scapy, no offence , no problem :d
[29-Apr-2007 18:26:51] <Scapy>
can you help me though ?[29-Apr-2007 18:27:14] <b52lap> Scapy, sorry , no i'm a noob my self ... :d
[29-Apr-2007 18:27:25] <Scapy> lies
[29-Apr-2007 18:27:28] <Scapy>
[29-Apr-2007 18:27:37] <b52lap> i swear
[29-Apr-2007 18:29:28] <Scapy> THEN WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING!
[29-Apr-2007 18:29:33] <Scapy> =D
[29-Apr-2007 18:30:51] <b52lap> as i said , you way of expressing question have "ennoyed" me and others as i guess
[29-Apr-2007 18:36:38] <dene> or
[29-Apr-2007 18:36:42] <dene> we have actual work to do ;p
[29-Apr-2007 18:42:14] <b52lap> :d
[29-Apr-2007 18:44:04] <Scapy> i have work to do too :\
[29-Apr-2007 18:44:11] <Scapy> but i assume no one here can help me
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[29-Apr-2007 19:05:13] <b52lap> " no one here can help me " .... pffffffffffff even if they can they will not want to ....
[29-Apr-2007 19:05:27] <Scapy> LOL
[29-Apr-2007 19:05:54] <b52lap> because of your way of speaking ...
[29-Apr-2007 19:06:36] <Scapy> b52lap, well can you show me how i should speak, i it might make me improve the way i speak
[29-Apr-2007 19:07:49] <b52lap> Scapy, hello guys , expose your problem -> try to google , go and WRRITTEEE AND THE MAILLING LIST --> if no one asnwer it because they are busy and don't take as a personnal matter of a offence !
[29-Apr-2007 19:08:12] <Scapy> thank you i will use it as a template
[29-Apr-2007 19:08:32] <b52lap> your welcome
[29-Apr-2007 19:09:32] <Scapy> btw you have a spelling mistake
[29-Apr-2007 19:09:48] <Scapy> " go and WRRITTEEE AND THE MAILLING LIST "
[29-Apr-2007 19:10:35] <Scapy> is that supposed to be to ? i dont want to be looking stupid :\ when im speaking it might sound BAD!
[29-Apr-2007 19:11:08] <b52lap> Scapy, you could upload the topic and say that it's forbidden to speak a bad english ! ?
[29-Apr-2007 19:11:30] <Scapy> no that will be racism
[29-Apr-2007 19:11:42] <Scapy> are you a racist ?
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:01] <b52lap> depend how yu define "racist "
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:03] <b52lap> ?\
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:19] <b52lap> but i believe all people are racist in a way or another ....
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:23] <Scapy> people who don't speak English
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:35] <b52lap> Scapy, ?
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:40] <b52lap> did get your idea ?
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:45] <b52lap> didn't get your idea ?
[29-Apr-2007 19:12:56] <Scapy>
thats it[29-Apr-2007 19:13:09] <Scapy> you get it but you dont get it
[29-Apr-2007 19:13:10] <Scapy> anyways
[29-Apr-2007 19:13:14] <Scapy> my joint is finished
[29-Apr-2007 19:13:29] <Scapy> ill be comming back later to see if anyone is kind enough to help
[29-Apr-2007 19:13:38] <Scapy> thank you people
[29-Apr-2007 19:14:07] <b52lap> your welcome !
[29-Apr-2007 19:14:12] <b52lap> Scapy, have a good day
[29-Apr-2007 19:14:34] <Scapy> i am trying to, excpet my bsd box started to be a bitch
[29-Apr-2007 19:14:41] <b52lap> hhhh
[29-Apr-2007 19:16:48] <Scapy> ?
[29-Apr-2007 19:16:57] <b52lap> forget forget ...
[29-Apr-2007 19:17:12] <Scapy> forget++
[29-Apr-2007 19:17:18] <b52lap> :d
[29-Apr-2007 19:17:26] <Scapy> d:)
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[30-Apr-2007 09:48:03] <jp10558> Hey, anyone using SNMP informant ever had a problem getting it to work on a 32bit WinXP SP2 machine? I'm getting an error in eventlog:
[30-Apr-2007 09:48:25] <jp10558> The SNMP Service is ignoring extension agent dll C:\Program Files\SNMP Informant\standard\informant_std.dll because it is missing or misconfigured.
[30-Apr-2007 09:48:36] <jp10558> but the file is there, I can see it with explorer ...
[30-Apr-2007 09:48:58] <jp10558> The only help I got on the Informant forum was that Informant doesn't work with 64bit ... but I'm not trying to use it that way
[30-Apr-2007 09:49:08] <jp10558> it seems random which of my machines it will work on!
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