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[01-Jun-2007 11:03:47] <_jellydonut_> ello world
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[01-Jun-2007 12:21:27] <hspcd> hi folks
[01-Jun-2007 12:26:35] <bendsu> hellos
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[01-Jun-2007 12:29:09] <hspcd> is it possible to use Zenoss to check a URL that requires login and then run a database query? We have a web application that is based on LAMP and this functionality from Zenoss would be huge, especially if the response times can be graphed.
[01-Jun-2007 12:30:28] <davetoo> nagios-format plugin
[01-Jun-2007 12:30:50] <hspcd> meaning?
[01-Jun-2007 12:31:23] <davetoo> Zenoss can use nagios plugins, and you can write your own tool that outputs the standard nagios-plugin format
[01-Jun-2007 12:32:28] <davetoo> so any other script (shell, perl, whatever) can be used as a DataSource in a performance template
[01-Jun-2007 12:33:44] <hspcd> so does this mean that we would be able to login over http/s and perform a db query, plus graph the response times?
[01-Jun-2007 12:35:01] <davetoo> Yes; you'd have to write a standalone tool that does the login and time measurement, and then outputs the standard one-line nagios output format
[01-Jun-2007 12:35:48] <davetoo> Search the zenoss community site for "nagios plugin"; it's also mentioned in the admin guide. You'll need to look at the Nagios Plugin Developer's stuff...
[01-Jun-2007 12:35:59] <davetoo> I don't have links handy
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[01-Jun-2007 12:36:21] <davetoo> what I *don't* know is how you'd pass authentication info into your script.
[01-Jun-2007 12:36:35] <davetoo> Haven't got that far yet, myself.
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[01-Jun-2007 13:00:52] <hspcd> we're comparing Zenoss against OpenNMS and I'm trying to get a sense of the capabilities of Zenoss
[01-Jun-2007 13:09:17] <hspcd> Is anyone else here monitoring and graphing URLs and response times?
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[02-Jun-2007 12:01:01] <davetoo> hmm
[02-Jun-2007 12:01:24] <davetoo> Is the mailing list b0rked? I've never seen a gap this long without traffic.
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[03-Jun-2007 16:43:03] <nassy> i am trying to run zenoss 1.9.7. i saw in the release notes no more sudo (uses uid). when i try: zenping start i get an error message saying zensocket needs to run as root or with suid
[03-Jun-2007 16:43:09] <nassy> i am logged in as root
[03-Jun-2007 16:53:24] <bzed> nassy: you didn;t read the release notes completely then
[03-Jun-2007 16:53:48] <nassy> ok, thanks. going to check it out again
[03-Jun-2007 16:53:50] <nassy> :-)
[03-Jun-2007 16:54:16] <bzed> Special Instructions After Source Install
[03-Jun-2007 16:54:16] <bzed> =======================================================
[03-Jun-2007 16:54:16] <bzed> Builds from source will need to set the permissions on zensocket. To make this change, use the following command:
[03-Jun-2007 16:54:16] <bzed> su root -c "chown root $ZENHOME/bin/zensocket; chmod uog+rx,u+ws $ZENHOME/bin/zensocket"
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[03-Jun-2007 16:57:04] <nassy> thanks. i am using the virtual machine. does that still apply
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[03-Jun-2007 17:05:01] <nassy> i ran the above command and followed it with # zenoss start but got the same error. ls -l $ZENHOME/bin/zensocket gives -rwsr-xr-x 1 zenoss zenoss ... /home/zenoss/bin/zensocket
[03-Jun-2007 17:13:53] <davetoo> You've made id SUID-zenoss
[03-Jun-2007 17:13:57] <davetoo> which wont' help
[03-Jun-2007 17:14:08] <davetoo> "root" needs to be the owner of zensocket
[03-Jun-2007 17:19:37] <nassy> ah
[03-Jun-2007 17:22:34] <nassy> does the group matter. i now have rwsr-xr-x 1 root zenoss ... /home/zenoss/bin/zensocket but still get the same error
[03-Jun-2007 17:22:43] <nassy> when i type zenoss start
[03-Jun-2007 17:24:11] <nassy> let me try one more thing. looks like i lost the s bit when i made the change to owner root
[03-Jun-2007 17:26:05] <nassy> sweet works now. maybe i made a typo when i typed in the command from the special instructions that bzed posted
[03-Jun-2007 17:27:11] <nassy> i seems like a lot of the guys in this picture use macs
[03-Jun-2007 17:27:14] <nassy> http://blog.zenoss.com/category/humor/
[03-Jun-2007 17:27:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss Blog ���» Humor (at blog.zenoss.com)
[03-Jun-2007 17:27:46] <nassy> wonder if it makes sense to run zenoss directly on mac os x as opposed to a virtual machine
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[03-Jun-2007 18:07:51] <nassy> i don't seem to be able to add new users, alerts etc. when i look at the quick start documentation for 1.0 i see the buttons to add. is there a new way to add or am i missing something
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[03-Jun-2007 18:46:59] <davetoo> nassy which version? 1.9.x?
[03-Jun-2007 18:47:10] <nassy> 1.9.7
[03-Jun-2007 18:47:37] <davetoo> yeah, in the left-hand navigation column, Management -> Settings
[03-Jun-2007 18:47:39] <davetoo> then User tab
[03-Jun-2007 18:47:45] <nassy> yeah i tried that
[03-Jun-2007 18:48:09] <davetoo> then the little down triange ("arrow") next to the phrase "User folder"
[03-Jun-2007 18:48:27] <davetoo> They moved (hid) a lot of stuff behind that little ajax trick
[03-Jun-2007 18:48:28] <nassy> there is no add button in either firfox or safari
[03-Jun-2007 18:49:42] <davetoo> Do you have an inner window/frame that says "User Folder" with a white search box in the top border?
[03-Jun-2007 18:49:54] <davetoo> top of that inner box, that is
[03-Jun-2007 18:49:58] <nassy> yes
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:14] <davetoo> see the little triangle to the left of the phrase "User Folder"?
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:26] <nassy> :-)
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:29] <davetoo> If you click that you should get a popup
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:30] <nassy> oh my gosh
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:34] <davetoo> ok
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:35] <nassy> thats it
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:37] <nassy> thanks
[03-Jun-2007 18:51:10] <nassy> its really cool
[03-Jun-2007 18:51:10] <davetoo> It's kind of Adobe-like
[03-Jun-2007 18:51:16] <nassy> this ajax stuff
[03-Jun-2007 18:52:43] <davetoo> The problem with this Ajax stuff is cross-browser portability. Since they develop with Firefox, and I use firefox, it's great for me
[03-Jun-2007 18:53:58] <nassy> there are some things that don't line up quite right in safari
[03-Jun-2007 18:54:07] <nassy> looks nice in firefox though
[03-Jun-2007 18:55:35] <nassy> have you done any windows monitoring?
[03-Jun-2007 18:58:48] <davetoo> Not really
[03-Jun-2007 18:59:01] <davetoo> we've turned on SNMP on a few systems
[03-Jun-2007 18:59:07] <davetoo> but I'm really not a windows person
[03-Jun-2007 18:59:21] <davetoo> I'll have to get it figured out within a month or two
[03-Jun-2007 19:00:23] <nassy> i just don't have any luck. not even with a virtual machine
[03-Jun-2007 19:00:37] <nassy> i am getting errors no matter what i try to add
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:08] <nassy> performance monitor,
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:11] <nassy> alert
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:37] <nassy> always getting
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:40] <nassy> Type: BadRequest
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:40] <nassy> Value: ('Empty or invalid id specified', ['10.0.1.1', '10.0.1.1'])
[03-Jun-2007 19:02:11] <nassy> i can add devices manually
[03-Jun-2007 19:13:31] <nassy> hmm, when i try to run the traceroute command from the web page it says it can't find the command
[03-Jun-2007 19:14:13] <nassy> im not that familar with linux how do i install traceroute (i can only find traceroute6
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[03-Jun-2007 20:55:21] <|cyn|> hey all, i am running zenoss 1.1.1 and i want to get a report of service availability
[03-Jun-2007 20:55:40] <|cyn|> every service seems to show 100% even if it has been down for some time.
[03-Jun-2007 20:57:10] <|cyn|> does anyone know why this might be?
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[03-Jun-2007 21:21:20] <cluther_> |cyn|: Which report are you running?
[03-Jun-2007 21:22:51] <|cyn|> i am running the availability report under performance.
[03-Jun-2007 21:23:17] <|cyn|> this seems to default to 100.000% availability if it gets confused.
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[03-Jun-2007 21:51:18] <cluther_> The default state is available. So if it can't find any events matching the event class and component selected it will report 100% available.
[03-Jun-2007 21:51:30] <cluther_> What parameters are you requesting?
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[03-Jun-2007 22:00:48] <|cyn|> i am trying to check /status/ipservice for the period.
[03-Jun-2007 22:01:06] <|cyn|> actually, i just tried to upgrade the system to 1.1.2 (since this was available) and now i can't connect to the database.
[03-Jun-2007 22:03:36] <|cyn|> bugger...
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[03-Jun-2007 22:12:27] <|cyn|> ok, db problem fixed (username and password apparently), but reporting problem still there...
[03-Jun-2007 22:14:07] <cluther_> |cyn|: Can you find any /status/ipservice events during the defined time period >= error?
[03-Jun-2007 22:14:16] <|cyn|> If i down a service on a host, then enter this hostname under device, the service name under component and /status/ipservice under event class, it gives me 100% even though this service has been downed for at least an hour a couple of times today.
[03-Jun-2007 22:14:39] <cluther_> Do you get an event that it is down? Is the service set to be monitored?
[03-Jun-2007 22:14:57] <cluther_> The availability report is completely driven from events. Without an event it knows nothing.
[03-Jun-2007 22:15:48] <|cyn|> yeah, i get an event on the service.
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:01] <|cyn|> well, technically i get two. one that it is down, and one when it comes back up.
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:07] <cluther_> Ah, good. The event class on the event is set to /Status/IPService?
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:16] <|cyn|> good question.
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:24] <|cyn|> i will check that in the history...
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:28] <cluther_> Cool.. check the component too.
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:39] <|cyn|> yes it is...
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:53] <|cyn|> under history, i show a couple of events for /status/ipservice
[03-Jun-2007 22:17:05] <|cyn|> relating to that component (postgresql)
[03-Jun-2007 22:19:56] <cluther_> hmm.. that sounds like it should be working.
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[03-Jun-2007 22:22:21] <|cyn|> that's what i thought...
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[04-Jun-2007 01:31:23] <davetoo> ohhhhhhhh
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:24] <davetoo>
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:46] <davetoo> zFileSystemMapIgnoreTypes
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:46] <davetoo> lines
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:46] <davetoo> DO NOT USE
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:48] <davetoo> no wonder
[04-Jun-2007 01:32:14] <davetoo> that's unfortunate; I'd really like to ignore NFS mounts
[04-Jun-2007 01:35:29] <davetoo> but I understand why it says that; dunno yet if it's Linux/RedHat or NetSNMP but it's reporting NFS and local disks as the same type
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[04-Jun-2007 07:00:17] <knutin> Hi! I'm trying to install Zenoss on Mac Os 10.4. install.sh tells me I need a MySQL development environment installed. I have installed mysql-dev and mysql_config is on my path(http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/000672.html). What is the next step to solve this?
[04-Jun-2007 07:02:18] <nassy> knutin: i don't now but i too hope to install on mac os x. is it difficult overall to install
[04-Jun-2007 07:04:15] <knutin> Oh, I see the problem. In build-functions.sh, zenoss expects mysql_config --include to actually work, but with the mysql_config I have installed that returns a list of arguments mysql_config will take
[04-Jun-2007 07:05:29] <knutin> Any developers active?
[04-Jun-2007 07:06:52] <nassy> knutin: how did you install ms sql (macports?)
[04-Jun-2007 07:07:12] <knutin> I installed mYsql with fink
[04-Jun-2007 07:07:17] <knutin>
[04-Jun-2007 07:07:53] <knutin> oh, it's 4.1.10
[04-Jun-2007 07:07:59] <knutin> and zenoss needs 5, right?
[04-Jun-2007 07:09:38] <knutin> the packages provided by mysql.com doesn't work, the image is corrupt in some way.
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[04-Jun-2007 07:16:24] <nassy> yeah it needs 5
[04-Jun-2007 07:16:45] <nassy> think i saw someting about that in the faq
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[04-Jun-2007 13:04:10] <scrip> 456295141.3
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[04-Jun-2007 14:40:51] <davetoo> So does anybody know what the purpose of the OsProcess RRDTemplate is?
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[04-Jun-2007 17:07:20] <bob_> Hi
[04-Jun-2007 17:08:47] <bob_> I'm having a bit of a problem with the ZenOSS interfaces, anyone able to help?
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[04-Jun-2007 18:34:41] <andrew_p> i think this a known problem with nagios-plugins and i have resolved it two times in the past, but i can't recall how
[04-Jun-2007 18:34:47] <andrew_p> configuring build/nagios-plugins-1.4.5/Makefile
[04-Jun-2007 18:34:47] <andrew_p> gmake: *** [build/nagios-plugins-1.4.5/Makefile] Error 77
[04-Jun-2007 18:34:47] <andrew_p> ...
[04-Jun-2007 18:34:47] <andrew_p> in config.log: configure:2640: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[04-Jun-2007 18:49:32] <bzed> andrew_p: put the config.log form the nagios plugins in a pastebin or on some webspace
[04-Jun-2007 18:52:17] <andrew_p> bzed: http://rafb.net/p/gw7Dg480.html
[04-Jun-2007 18:52:24] <adytum-bot> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)
[04-Jun-2007 18:55:00] <bzed> do you need to install a libc6 development package probably?
[04-Jun-2007 18:55:09] <bzed> not sure what freebsd has for that
[04-Jun-2007 18:56:58] <andrew_p> bzed: i don't think so.. i get this problem every time i install zenoss (i was evaluating different versions of the same box) and after 5-10 attempts & guesses finally get it working without installing additional ports ok, i will document the solution for myself this time once i have found it
[04-Jun-2007 18:58:07] <bzed> well
[04-Jun-2007 18:58:20] <bzed> configure tries to link libld
[04-Jun-2007 18:58:28] <bzed> that's part of libc6
[04-Jun-2007 18:58:46] <bzed> not sure what freebsd usus as libc... never used it
[04-Jun-2007 18:59:04] <bzed> have a look into /lib if there's a libdl*
[04-Jun-2007 19:22:50] <andrew_p> bzed: thank you
[04-Jun-2007 19:25:49] <cluther_> andrew_p: You shouldn't need to link to libdl at all in FreeBSD.
[04-Jun-2007 19:26:02] <cluther_> Try taking -ldl off the end of the LIBS = line in the Makefile.
[04-Jun-2007 19:27:27] <bzed> there shouldn;t be a makefile, as it's created by configure
[04-Jun-2007 19:27:33] <cluther_> davetoo: Still around? The purpose of that template is to keep track of per-process values for [cpu,mem,count]
[04-Jun-2007 19:27:42] <bzed> configure should be able to figure out how to link it correcly
[04-Jun-2007 19:27:59] <cluther_> bzed: I agree, but sometimes should and does don't get along.
[04-Jun-2007 19:28:36] <bzed> yeah, but if it fails, there's no Makefile
[04-Jun-2007 19:28:42] <bzed> autoconf sucks
[04-Jun-2007 19:28:53] <cluther_> bzed: Bah.. I should go home.
[04-Jun-2007 19:30:12] <bzed> andrew_p: try --with-gnu-ld as option to configure
[04-Jun-2007 19:30:33] <bzed> probably it skips the check then
[04-Jun-2007 19:33:50] <andrew_p> bzed: --with-gnu-ld works, thank you. i will figure out where it needs to be added then
[04-Jun-2007 19:34:08] <bzed> try to buikd it first
[04-Jun-2007 19:34:25] <bzed> *build
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[04-Jun-2007 19:51:25] <davetoo> hi
[04-Jun-2007 19:51:38] <davetoo> (oh, he's gone)
[04-Jun-2007 19:54:02] <andrew_p> bzed: after doing configure --with-gnu-ld in nagios-plugins directory and then running build.sh zenoss was installed successfully. thank you
[04-Jun-2007 19:56:00] <bzed> fine
[04-Jun-2007 19:56:15] <bzed> if you ahve a minute, you should report that issue to the nagios developers
[04-Jun-2007 19:56:45] <andrew_p> bzed: ok, i will
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[05-Jun-2007 12:26:19] <scrip> hi, I'm using RPC::XML and getting this error: mismatched tag at line 22, column 10, byte 887 at /usr/share/perl5/RPC/XML/Client.pm line 345
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:38] <scrip> the code is:
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> my $dev = RPC::XML::Client->new("$url/zport/dmd/DeviceLoader");
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> my $req = RPC::XML::request->new("loadDevice",
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> RPC::XML::string->new($ip),
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> RPC::XML::string->new('/Network/VoIP_Endpoint')
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> );
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:45] <scrip> my $resp = $dev->send_request($req);
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[05-Jun-2007 13:11:19] <MikeConigliaro> guys, is there a way to monitor remote hosts (ie: hosts behind firewalls that i cant access directly) with zenoss?
[05-Jun-2007 13:11:24] <MikeConigliaro> right now, im using nrpe to do this
[05-Jun-2007 13:11:28] <MikeConigliaro> on nagios
[05-Jun-2007 13:12:21] <MikeConigliaro> im able to monitor several hosts with one agent using custom wmi/snmp checks that are executed on the nrpe host
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[05-Jun-2007 14:06:04] <scrip> hello everyone
[05-Jun-2007 14:06:24] <scrip> I've got several hundred devices on dynamic ip addresses that I need to monitor
[05-Jun-2007 14:06:47] <scrip> I've put together a bit of a hack that reads in all the device names and ips from the system they register to and then updates zenoss
[05-Jun-2007 14:07:02] <scrip> it uses REST requests to check if the device exists and then add it or update its ip
[05-Jun-2007 14:07:06] <scrip> is there a better way to do this?
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[05-Jun-2007 14:39:53] <enots> re. btw, why community.zenoss.com is not fixed? site error about 4 days.. zenoss still in buisness?
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[05-Jun-2007 15:17:29] <davetoo> hi
[05-Jun-2007 15:19:48] <davetoo> cluther: I saw your response here yesterday; what I'm asking is ... the OSProcesses template seems incomplete. The DataSources contain no SNMP OIDs.
[05-Jun-2007 15:19:59] <davetoo> Is it designed to be mixed-in with the Device template?
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[05-Jun-2007 15:21:40] <cluther> Not really. It is special in that the zenprocess daemon handles it specifically. Not the zenperfsnmp daemon that handles general OID collection.
[05-Jun-2007 15:23:11] <cluther> enots: The fellow that handles that is aware of it, but he's been really wrapped up getting ready for the 2.0 release. It should be fixed this week or next.
[05-Jun-2007 15:23:36] <davetoo> ok
[05-Jun-2007 15:26:57] <davetoo> But now I'm confused about monitoring specific processes to make sure they're running, vs. getting a running count (rrd) of number of processes running.
[05-Jun-2007 15:27:25] <davetoo> In /Processes I can configure certain process names to be watched for
[05-Jun-2007 15:28:38] <cluther> ok, anytime you monitor a process it automatically applies the OSProcess template to it, thus creating the "count" data source.
[05-Jun-2007 15:29:09] <cluther> You can define that a process should be monitored or not at the global level in /Processes, then override the default behavior per device if you wish.
[05-Jun-2007 15:30:09] <davetoo> OK, so if what I really want is a count of the number of all processes of any kind running on a machine, I should add that to the Devices template or some other mix-in, I guess.
[05-Jun-2007 15:30:42] <cluther> Exactly.
[05-Jun-2007 15:33:45] <Aziraphale> anyone know why the libsmi build is b0rked when building from source?
[05-Jun-2007 15:34:16] <Aziraphale> this log message makes no sense to me:
[05-Jun-2007 15:34:17] <Aziraphale> gmake[1]: Entering directory `/home/zenoss/zenoss-1.9.7/build/libsmi-0.4.5'
[05-Jun-2007 15:34:18] <Aziraphale> cannot create PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.4: No such file or directory
[05-Jun-2007 15:41:39] <Aziraphale> ah
[05-Jun-2007 15:42:05] <Aziraphale> in FreeBSD, /bin/sh is not the same as bash
[05-Jun-2007 15:42:12] <Aziraphale> stupid linuxisms
[05-Jun-2007 15:55:44] <wasabi> Hmm. In Ubuntu /bin/sh is not Bash.
[05-Jun-2007 15:55:48] <wasabi> So...
[05-Jun-2007 15:56:01] <wasabi> Hardly a linuxism. Purely a choice of default shell.
[05-Jun-2007 15:56:17] <wasabi> Oh, you're saying it's zenoss' fault.
[05-Jun-2007 15:56:20] <wasabi> Got it.
[05-Jun-2007 15:57:41] <davetoo> It's RedHat's fault
[05-Jun-2007 15:57:44] <bzed> in many linux installations is /bin/sh != a link to /bin/bash.
[05-Jun-2007 15:58:01] <davetoo> vim != vi dammit!
[05-Jun-2007 15:58:24] <Aziraphale> heh
[05-Jun-2007 15:58:26] <bzed> if there're any bashisms in the zenoss scripts... I guess they call for a bug report
[05-Jun-2007 15:58:55] <Aziraphale> some makefiles have SHELL=/bin/sh and break
[05-Jun-2007 15:59:28] <Aziraphale> it also appears that WMI expects 'swig' to exist which isn't mentioned in the install doc
[05-Jun-2007 16:01:09] <Aziraphale> is there a linux distro that *doesn't* link sh to bash?
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[05-Jun-2007 16:04:16] <bzed> Aziraphale: I think it's the default on many distributions, but you can easily change it to a proper shell, at leaaaast in debian
[05-Jun-2007 16:08:13] <Aziraphale> bzed: nothing wrong with bash, only if something assumes that shell=bash and then breaks
[05-Jun-2007 16:09:00] <Aziraphale> it looks like all that needs changing is the way the variable is exported, haven't found where that is though
[05-Jun-2007 16:09:41] <Aziraphale> ah, looks like it finished this time
[05-Jun-2007 16:10:39] <bzed> Aziraphale: do you have an example where it failed?
[05-Jun-2007 16:11:54] <monrad> any news on a release date?
[05-Jun-2007 16:13:26] <Aziraphale> bzed: hang on, I need to run an original install again
[05-Jun-2007 16:13:40] <Aziraphale> oh, new dashbord looks nice
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[05-Jun-2007 16:17:55] <Aziraphale> ah damn, can't do it on this box
[05-Jun-2007 16:18:47] <Aziraphale> bzed: this was the log message from libsmi:
[05-Jun-2007 16:18:49] <Aziraphale> gmake[1]: Entering directory bzed `/home/zenoss/zenoss-1.9.7/build/libsmi-0.4.5' chairuou_~
[05-Jun-2007 16:19:16] <Aziraphale> 20:34cannot create PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.4: No such file or directory
[05-Jun-2007 16:20:14] <bzed> hmm
[05-Jun-2007 16:20:19] <bzed> I'm wondering where the problem is there
[05-Jun-2007 16:20:39] <bzed> PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.4 work well in posh
[05-Jun-2007 16:24:53] <Aziraphale> maybe it tries to export PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.4 and that won't work in /bin/sh on FBSD
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[05-Jun-2007 16:30:34] <bzed> that would be... crazy
[05-Jun-2007 16:40:38] <wasabi> Aziraphale: Ubuntu does not link sh to bash
[05-Jun-2007 16:40:44] <wasabi> And that seems like a pretty large distro.
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[05-Jun-2007 16:54:13] <Aziraphale> wasabi: what does ubuntu use?
[05-Jun-2007 16:54:41] <wasabi> dash
[05-Jun-2007 16:54:42] <Aziraphale> bzed: slight syntax differences between the two. might be enough
[05-Jun-2007 16:54:55] <Aziraphale> hmm, never heard of that one...
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:14] <bzed> Description: The Debian Almquist Shell
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:14] <bzed> "dash" is a POSIX compliant shell that is much smaller than "bash".
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:14] <bzed> We take advantage of that by making it the shell on the installation
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:14] <bzed> root floppy, where space is at a premium.
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:23] <bzed> ubuntu is just using out good debian stuff
[05-Jun-2007 16:58:18] <Aziraphale> hmm, debian uses bash by default
[05-Jun-2007 16:58:31] <bzed> no
[05-Jun-2007 16:58:45] <bzed> you're asked IF you want to use bash as /bin/sh
[05-Jun-2007 16:58:56] <bzed> if your debconf level is low enough
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:16] <Aziraphale> is that problem with pynetsnmp fixed in the trunk?
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:19] <bzed> not sure what the default is, though
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:30] <bzed> which problem?
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:54] <Aziraphale> Daemon: zenprocess starting...
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:55] <Aziraphale> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:55] <Aziraphale> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/zenprocess.py", line 34, in ?
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:55] <Aziraphale> from pynetsnmp.twistedsnmp import AgentProxy
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:55] <Aziraphale> File "usr/local/zenoss/lib/python/pynetsnmp/twistedsnmp.py", line 1, in ?
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:57] <Aziraphale> File "usr/local/zenoss/lib/python/pynetsnmp/netsnmp.py", line 19, in ?
[05-Jun-2007 17:00:00] <Aziraphale> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/__init__.py", line 325, in __getattr__
[05-Jun-2007 17:00:02] <Aziraphale> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/__init__.py", line 330, in __getitem__
[05-Jun-2007 17:00:39] <Aziraphale> saw a post that recommended deleting $ZENHOME/lib/python/pynetsnmp to fall back onto the old system
[05-Jun-2007 17:00:54] <Aziraphale> that doesn't really work either, though
[05-Jun-2007 17:02:20] <bzed> hmm
[05-Jun-2007 17:02:32] <bzed> it's at least not in the debian package of pynetsnmp
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[05-Jun-2007 18:24:25] <Aziraphale> damn
[05-Jun-2007 18:24:32] <Aziraphale> can't get this to work
[05-Jun-2007 18:31:22] <cluther> Aziraphale: I lost the history of this, what seems to be the problem?
[05-Jun-2007 18:32:48] <Aziraphale> cluther: oh, it's that pynetsnmp problem
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[05-Jun-2007 18:33:19] <Aziraphale> if I get rid of pynetsnmp it falls back but can't do snmpwalks,
[05-Jun-2007 18:33:53] <bzed> from pynetsnmp.twistedsnmp import AgentProxy jsut works well here
[05-Jun-2007 18:34:36] <bzed> but I'm on debian with a packaged pynetsnmp
[05-Jun-2007 18:35:46] <Aziraphale> I get: I get a AttributeError: Undefined symbol "netsnmp_get_version"
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[05-Jun-2007 18:46:42] <bzed> Aziraphale: which version of netsnmp are you using?
[05-Jun-2007 18:47:00] <bzed> or is there a version installed on your system somewhere else?
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[05-Jun-2007 18:59:22] <Aziraphale> bzed: yeah, there is a ports version
[05-Jun-2007 19:00:25] <bzed> same as zenoss ships?
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[05-Jun-2007 19:01:09] <Aziraphale> net-snmp-5.3.1_2
[05-Jun-2007 19:04:41] <Aziraphale> I don't see one included in externallibs...
[05-Jun-2007 19:13:20] <bzed> hmm
[05-Jun-2007 19:13:39] <bzed> there was an api change between 5.2.3 and 5.3.1
[05-Jun-2007 19:13:59] <bzed> nbut I'm using 5.3.1 and it seems to work well
[05-Jun-2007 19:20:51] <Aziraphale> sod it. back to 1.1
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[06-Jun-2007 00:17:52] <davetoo> I need to learn python faster
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[06-Jun-2007 09:36:02] <davetoo> well that didn't work so well
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[06-Jun-2007 11:38:30] <Aziraphale> ah, I see there's been a change to pynetsnmp to make it run on FreeBSD
[06-Jun-2007 11:38:39] <Aziraphale> let's test that right away...
[06-Jun-2007 11:39:34] <davetoo> oh, it didn't?
[06-Jun-2007 11:40:41] <Aziraphale> nope
[06-Jun-2007 11:42:25] <Aziraphale> "undefined symbol: netsnmp_get_version"
[06-Jun-2007 11:48:01] <davetoo> I have a tough time getting $manager to allow me to use FreeBSD at work
[06-Jun-2007 11:48:40] <Aziraphale> that client this is for, is very happy with it
[06-Jun-2007 11:50:12] <Aziraphale> others prefer linux b/c they've never heard of FreeBSD...
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[06-Jun-2007 12:04:13] <davetoo> $manager is worried because only about three out of 30 of us grok FreeBSD
[06-Jun-2007 12:17:39] <Aziraphale> I've heard that argument
[06-Jun-2007 12:17:58] <Aziraphale> any linux head can learn FreeBSD quickly enough, I ought to know
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[06-Jun-2007 16:06:21] <Aziraphale> and so it works
[06-Jun-2007 16:06:46] <andrew_p> i made a clean install of zenoss-1.1.2 and zendisc now refuses to run.. this hasn't been the case previous time when i installed it. can anybody have a look - http://pastebin.ca/545585 ?
[06-Jun-2007 16:06:53] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - andrew_p - post number 545585 (at pastebin.ca)
[06-Jun-2007 16:07:22] <andrew_p> snmpd is running on this host and i can query it just ok from command like
[06-Jun-2007 16:08:01] <Aziraphale> I've had this problem - can't remember what fixed it though
[06-Jun-2007 16:08:10] <andrew_p> hehe, ok
[06-Jun-2007 16:08:14] <andrew_p> Aziraphale: thank you
[06-Jun-2007 16:09:33] <Aziraphale> do make sure the community strings match
[06-Jun-2007 16:11:12] <andrew_p> Aziraphale: do you remember how to specify the community string for auto-discovery?
[06-Jun-2007 16:18:12] <Aziraphale> andrew_p: in Devices/zProperties (IIRC) you can set a list of community strings
[06-Jun-2007 16:18:36] <Aziraphale> zSnmpCommunities is the Property
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[06-Jun-2007 16:31:08] <rch-3> It's my first time in this channel ... is it appropriate to ask about things I haven't been able to figure out with the admin guide?
[06-Jun-2007 16:39:50] <andrew_p> Aziraphale: it helped, thanks. i thought zendisc is using community string somehow hardcoded in SnmpClient.py
[06-Jun-2007 16:40:13] <andrew_p> rch-3: why not
[06-Jun-2007 16:40:21] <rch-3> excellent
[06-Jun-2007 16:44:14] <rch-3> So I have many machines all of which belong to the same class, and I have a service that is only present on some of them, I have managed to get that service (port 11211) added, and Zenoss has modeled it and sees that it is UP.
[06-Jun-2007 16:44:41] <rch-3> Now I would like to create Data Sources which refer to values available from this service, so I can track basic statistics about it on each machine.
[06-Jun-2007 16:44:48] <rch-3> Is that possible in any way?
[06-Jun-2007 16:45:20] <rch-3> (Obviously I can just create a Command Data Source - the problem is, the service is not present on every machine, so I would only want it to be run against machines that have this service, not every machine in the Class)
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[06-Jun-2007 18:11:08] <chipig> http://community.zenoss.com/docs/howtos/send-events/
[06-Jun-2007 18:11:08] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[06-Jun-2007 18:11:35] <chipig> I assume no one has written an atlernative to just XML-RPC for pushing events?
[06-Jun-2007 18:12:03] <chipig> also... is there a Zenoss irc bot like?
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[06-Jun-2007 18:42:29] <creiht> chipig: there should be docs on that page on how to send events rest style
[06-Jun-2007 18:42:37] <creiht> for example it is just a web request
[06-Jun-2007 18:44:39] <chipig> ya.. I see that.
[06-Jun-2007 18:45:13] <chipig> I guess it wouldn't be too hard to write my own damon in python.. which would receive events from a properitary system.
[06-Jun-2007 18:45:48] <creiht> How does the proprietary system send events?
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:01] <chipig> custom stuff over sockets.
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:04] <creiht> ahh
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:05] <creiht> hmm
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:16] <chipig> i have a swig binding into a C++ so i can call into it from python
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:26] <creiht> That sounds best
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:32] <creiht> just fyi
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:41] <creiht> the other ways that you can get events into zenoss are
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:44] <creiht> through syslog
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:51] <creiht> and snmp traps
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:02] <chipig> ya.. snmp traps would be the other way to consider.
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:17] <chipig> but then there is another dependency, another protocol change
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:23] <chipig> i like to keep those to a minimum
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:31] <creiht> makes sense
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:42] <creiht> xmlrpc in python is very easy
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:01] <creiht> actually xmlrpc in most dynamic languages is very easy
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:10] <chipig> xmlrpc more complicated than sprintf in C++ can be a bitch
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:15] <creiht> haha
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:16] <creiht> yeah
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:32] <creiht> xmlrpc in C++ or Java, or anything Microsoft for that matter is a pain
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:16] <creiht> chipig: One other option
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:23] <creiht> In the next version that is coming out
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:29] <creiht> They have this idea of Zenpacks
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:36] <creiht> That are plugins to zenoss
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:45] <creiht> I haven't had a chane to play with them much yet
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[06-Jun-2007 18:50:00] <creiht> But theoretically you could use those to create a custom collector in zenoss
[06-Jun-2007 18:50:05] * blowery *chirps*
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[06-Jun-2007 18:50:13] <creiht> that would receive the info from you proprietary system
[06-Jun-2007 18:50:17] <creiht> A bit more work
[06-Jun-2007 18:50:23] <creiht> But a bit more integrated
[06-Jun-2007 18:50:25] <chipig> that would be the prefered way, plugins that is.
[06-Jun-2007 18:51:35] <chipig> i have a question.. how well does zenoss work with like, lots of machines, with like 100+ monitors/device like things on them?
[06-Jun-2007 18:51:46] <chipig> performance stats seem.. sparse.
[06-Jun-2007 18:52:50] <creiht> chipig: 100+ should be fine
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[06-Jun-2007 18:53:03] <creiht> I have heard of several running 2000+
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:14] <chipig> 2000+ monitors? but like, how many machines?
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:18] <creiht> oh
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:21] <creiht> 2000+ machines
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:26] <chipig> ah
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:27] <chipig> okay
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:43] <chipig> i meant couple hundred machines with a hundred monitors each
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:45] <creiht> chipig: define sparse?
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:47] <creiht> ahhh
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:48] <creiht> hehe
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:50] <creiht> hrmm
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:54] <creiht> what type of monitors?
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:58] <chipig> creiht: well, google doesn't turn up much, and the website doesn't ahve an example
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:59] <creiht> all snmp?
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:14] <chipig> creiht: propeirtary push plugin if its faster :-)
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:21] <creiht> I see
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:35] <creiht> That's a good question
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:42] <chipig> just like, what ends up hurting most, the sql db?
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:44] <creiht> I would post to the list and see what you get
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:54] <chipig> cus I'm happy to hack on a mysql perofrmance problem :-)
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:58] <creiht> I've been out of the loop a bit
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:02] <creiht> But last I saw
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:02] <chipig> ah
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:14] <creiht> writing RRD files is probably the biggest limit
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:22] <creiht> MySQL only handles events
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:32] <chipig> ya. I've seen RRD kill monitoring systems before
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:56] <creiht> After RRD I think the amount of time it takes to collect snmp data
[06-Jun-2007 18:56:11] <creiht> I do know that performance is one of their priorities right now
[06-Jun-2007 18:56:19] <creiht> So they are working on a lot of those things
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:06] <creiht> And RRD can scale fairly well set up correctly
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:28] <chipig> well, the data files can.
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:33] <chipig> but try generating graphs
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:38] <creiht> I've seen other monitoring systems monitor 50K devices with I think 250K data points on one system connected to a SAN
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:47] <chipig> san--
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:55] <creiht> Though that was pushing it a bit
[06-Jun-2007 18:58:10] * chipig is the fan of all 1u machines, distributed systems, etc
[06-Jun-2007 18:58:48] <creiht> just an example
[06-Jun-2007 18:59:37] <creiht> I currently monitor about 10k devices with another systems on a basic 1u machine
[06-Jun-2007 18:59:55] <creiht> that is RRD based
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:03] <creiht> anyways
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:07] <creiht> I'm off to home
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:11] <creiht> everyone have a great evening
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:12] <chipig> thanks for the help
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:14] <creiht> np
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:17] <creiht> good luck!
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[06-Jun-2007 19:45:14] <tessier__> argh....upgrading to F7 upgraded my python to 2.5 and now all of the things in zenoss with python2.4 binary hardcoded in are broken.
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[06-Jun-2007 20:08:30] <Snake-Eyes> i had a few things i had to fix when upgrading from sarge to etch
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[06-Jun-2007 20:23:10] <sclark46> hello - i am trying out 1.97 beta 2 - but can't figure out how to do modeling using portscan or ssh
[06-Jun-2007 20:24:33] <sclark46> the admin docs refer to zCollectorIgnorePlugins which I can't seem to locate
[06-Jun-2007 20:26:40] <sclark46> or zTransportPreference
[06-Jun-2007 20:32:22] <rch-3> hi sclark46 - I am a newbie but I was able to do modelling using bin/zenmodeler run -F
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[06-Jun-2007 21:51:15] <sclark46> hi rch-3 , did u use snmp or ssh or portscan
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[07-Jun-2007 08:41:08] <Tino> Hello
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[07-Jun-2007 11:04:25] <moredakka> hallo, anyone alive in here?
[07-Jun-2007 11:09:05] <moredakka> Hmmm
[07-Jun-2007 11:10:48] <moredakka> guess not
[07-Jun-2007 11:13:05] <moredakka> Well if anyone jumps on, I'm hoping that someone can help me figure out why zenping is always failing heartbeats and not responding (or pinging anything for that matter)
[07-Jun-2007 11:16:52] <moredakka> zenping hasn't written anything to the zenping.log file for 16 minutes now. What can cause the process to hang like this?
[07-Jun-2007 11:17:37] <moredakka> I've tried restarting zenping but all zenping does on restart is re-scan the network tree but doesn't actually ping anything.
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[07-Jun-2007 11:22:21] <moredakka> If I run it manually I get about 1/2 of the devices show "2007-06-07 09:22:05 DEBUG zen.Ping: unexpected pkt 10.10.10.123 <ICMP packet 8 0 31185 0>
[07-Jun-2007 11:25:08] <Aziraphale> moredakka: might be icmp unreachables
[07-Jun-2007 11:26:47] <moredakka> I'm able to manually ping the devices from the manage tab.
[07-Jun-2007 11:27:04] <moredakka> (thanks for the reply, my hair is starting to fall out due to stress)
[07-Jun-2007 11:35:57] <moredakka> I only get that if I manually run 'zenping run -v 10' it then seems to be stuck running, doesn't actually end the process. The zenping process that is automatically being run just doesn't do anything, scans the topology then just sits there...
[07-Jun-2007 11:38:32] <Aziraphale> is that 2-BETA?
[07-Jun-2007 11:39:45] <moredakka> Nope, 1.1.1
[07-Jun-2007 11:40:30] <moredakka> the only thing that I haven't really tried is to reboot the entire server.
[07-Jun-2007 11:45:00] <Aziraphale> this looks like your problem: http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2007/003097.html
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[07-Jun-2007 11:50:56] <moredakka> Hmmm....that fix "icmppkt = icmp.Packet(ipreply.data, 0)" fix is already in my AsyncPing.py
[07-Jun-2007 11:53:16] <moredakka> I did find that line was missing the ", 0" in Ping.py so I adjusted that but doesn't seem to have made a difference.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:02:32] <mouseclone> hello everyone
[07-Jun-2007 12:02:46] <moredakka> hey
[07-Jun-2007 12:02:53] <moredakka> <-- freaking out.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:03:22] <mouseclone> I don't want to sir up a really big conversation but was wondering what the major differences between Nagios and Zenoss were?
[07-Jun-2007 12:04:22] <moredakka> Nagios is better at pinging (zenping isn't working for me at all right now but Nagios is working no problem). Nagios sucks at snmp.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:05:19] <mouseclone> so you are running both?
[07-Jun-2007 12:07:06] <moredakka> We were using Nagios (before I started here) and started moving everything to Zenoss cause of the snmp factor. But in my opinion right now zenoss is creating a lot of stress for me because zenping isn't doing anything and there aren't many people around right now that will/can help and I haven't received a response in the forum for about a week now with this problem.
[07-Jun-2007 12:07:30] <moredakka> Now I'm in an extreme rush to find out why zenping is being ghey before I leave for vacation....
[07-Jun-2007 12:08:44] <moredakka> sorry, my opinion on zenoss is not very good. My boss is even considering a non open source program because this is critical stuff that isn't being monitored right now.
[07-Jun-2007 12:09:01] <mouseclone> are you running the beta of 2.0 what is it right now 1.97 or something like that
[07-Jun-2007 12:09:46] <mouseclone> All I have ran was the VMware. I have yet to do a server install
[07-Jun-2007 12:09:56] <Aziraphale> atually, I'd give v2 a go, it's largely rewritten
[07-Jun-2007 12:10:31] <mouseclone> well I have been waiting on the release of it for the server install.. I was impressed with the VMware for the beta
[07-Jun-2007 12:10:55] <moredakka> I'm running 1.1.1
[07-Jun-2007 12:11:01] <mouseclone> and once the community get some "zenpacks" out there will be easier i would think
[07-Jun-2007 12:11:38] <Aziraphale> moredakka: what are you running it *on*, btw?
[07-Jun-2007 12:11:44] <moredakka> FC5
[07-Jun-2007 12:12:04] <mouseclone> moredakka: Your only problem with Zenoss is the zenping right now, and that is just getting a ping responce fromt he server, correct?
[07-Jun-2007 12:12:26] <moredakka> Yeah it pings all the devices every 60 seconds
[07-Jun-2007 12:12:27] <Aziraphale> as I understand it it's mis-parsing the ICMP replies
[07-Jun-2007 12:13:35] <moredakka> Aziraphale - I only get responses from zenping (eg - INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 71 jobs in 0.17 seconds) if I run it manually. If I restart zenping and watch the logs nothing happens
[07-Jun-2007 12:13:35] <mouseclone> an you don't like nagios because the snmp trapping is not as good? is it hard to add your own mibs and oids to Nagios?
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[07-Jun-2007 12:13:49] <amonfils> hola.
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:07] <amonfils> OSError: /usr/local/lib/libnetsnmp.so: Undefined symbol "EVP_DigestInit"
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:19] <amonfils> libnetsnmp built with --with-openssl
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:20] <moredakka> It wasn't my call on the Nagios. I haven't had much time to work with it, it's an ugly interface and I don't think there is much snmp setup that can be done with it.
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:36] <mouseclone> kk
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:38] <amonfils> nagios is difficult but capable.
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:11] <amonfils> new version 3 looks hotty for event type stuff. data collection (graphing!) is still in it's infancy unless you get a prepackaged solution.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:15:32] <moredakka> amonfils, maybe you can help me with my zenping issue.
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:36] <moredakka> it's not doing anything.
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:43] <amonfils> now back to my issue. freebsd 5.5 and 6.2 exhibit same issue.
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:52] <amonfils> applied the freebsd 6.2 find_library hack/patch
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:55] <mouseclone> afk a bit
[07-Jun-2007 12:16:16] <amonfils> moredakka, haven't gotten far enough into zenoss to incorporate nagios stuffs
[07-Jun-2007 12:16:32] <amonfils> running fine in vmware instance (the pre-built)
[07-Jun-2007 12:16:33] <moredakka> I'm not too worried about that, I just want zenping to monitor my devices.
[07-Jun-2007 12:16:49] <amonfils> zenping requires zensocket, yes?
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:19] <moredakka> ?? I'm not sure.
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:32] <amonfils> i'm speaking in regards to zenoss 2.0
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:35] <amonfils> not wasting time with 1.x
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:56] <moredakka> Hmm.....great.
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:56] <amonfils> (1.9.7) ... beta i know, but third or fourth iteration.
[07-Jun-2007 12:18:34] <amonfils> what do you get from the zenping.log
[07-Jun-2007 12:18:54] <moredakka> Just the building of the tree then nothing.
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:15] <amonfils> i have yet to work with zenping to be honest. so i'm merely grasping here.
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:23] <amonfils> i was hoping to get some information in regards to my issue; but alas not to be.
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:28] <moredakka> I restarted zenping 27 minutes ago and it hasn't generated anything in the logs....
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:35] <moredakka> Yeah, not many people in here.
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:54] <moredakka> hasn't generated anything other than the tree generation.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:21:38] <amonfils> for what it's worth
[07-Jun-2007 12:21:43] <amonfils> i just fired it up in my vmware version
[07-Jun-2007 12:21:57] <amonfils> warnings about networks not in the topology\
[07-Jun-2007 12:22:48] <amonfils> look at that, zenping ran just fine.
[07-Jun-2007 12:22:58] <moredakka> Yeah I get lots of those but if you have it sit there for 60+ seconds it should generate "INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 71 jobs in 0.17 seconds" or something like that.
[07-Jun-2007 12:23:14] <amonfils> yup, mine is.
[07-Jun-2007 12:23:22] <moredakka> I can run zenping manually no problem but it seems that it's not being run automatically. Mine isn't generating that
[07-Jun-2007 12:23:23] <amonfils> a whole .04 seconds!
[07-Jun-2007 12:23:29] <moredakka> heh
[07-Jun-2007 12:24:23] <amonfils> i am clueless to your issue. mine seems to be pinging just fine. in regards to starting in manually, i suspect you need to chown root:root (or root:wheel for fbsd) to zensocket and then chmod u+s zensocket
[07-Jun-2007 12:24:30] <amonfils> (this is for 1.9.7 aka 2.0beta)
[07-Jun-2007 12:24:47] <amonfils> then it should start auto as well.
[07-Jun-2007 12:26:43] <moredakka> Mine was pinging just fine until I wanted to test to make sure it was working properly....blocked all outgoing icmp packets at the firewall from the server and zenping just broke and hasn't come back from the dead.
[07-Jun-2007 12:27:00] <moredakka> but thanks for trying :-.
[07-Jun-2007 12:27:37] <amonfils> how would blocking icmps at a firewall impact a running process? that's one helluva bug
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:20] <Aziraphale> amonfils: this fixes it: http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/changeset/5668 Last line in the install file
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Changeset 5668 - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:48] <Aziraphale> amonfils: the EVT_Digest_Init issue
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:52] <amonfils> sadf;ljasl;fjsdf
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:53] <amonfils> thakns.
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:57] <amonfils> geezus h keerist.
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:13] <amonfils> and i have been scouring the svn
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:14] <amonfils> asl;jkfsd
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:34] <Aziraphale> amonfils: what can I say, being the one who reported the bug
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:46] <Aziraphale> almost drove me to drug abuse
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:56] <amonfils> hahaha glad i'm not the only one
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:03] <amonfils> i've been objdump'ing and nm'ing files
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:13] <amonfils> looking at shared libraries and statics
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:15] <amonfils> grumble.
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:37] <amonfils> my failure is lack of python knowledge
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:39] <Aziraphale> yep. BTDT
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:44] <Aziraphale> ditto
[07-Jun-2007 12:33:00] <amonfils> hehe i worked around the nagios thing slightly more brute-forceish
[07-Jun-2007 12:33:26] <moredakka> weird
[07-Jun-2007 12:33:33] <moredakka> looks like zenping was stuck in a loop
[07-Jun-2007 12:35:00] <moredakka> with this in the debug log file "DEBUG zen.Ping: unexpected pkt 10.0.4.13 <ICMP packet 0 0 5748 0>".
[07-Jun-2007 12:35:56] <moredakka> cause if I ran zenping manually it would just keep running until I cancelled it. But I removed the rule on the firewall to block icmp packets from the zenoss box and it works now.
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:21] <amonfils> KUDOS TO YOU AZIRAPHALE
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:30] <Aziraphale> tsk, tsk. blocking icmp is baaad, mmmhkay?
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:33] <amonfils> also, slight change
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:34] <amonfils> export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libcrypto.so
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:36] <amonfils> export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libcrypto.so
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:38] <amonfils> erps.
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:47] <amonfils> it's a sym link to the proper library in /lib
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:54] <amonfils> seeing as fbsd versions every !#$!@#$ library
[07-Jun-2007 12:37:09] <Aziraphale> yup, thought so, too
[07-Jun-2007 12:37:28] <Aziraphale> couldn't be arsed to file it last night, though
[07-Jun-2007 12:37:34] <amonfils> no worries.
[07-Jun-2007 12:38:09] <moredakka> Aziraphale, if I block icmp packets from the zenoss box, shouldn't zenoss generate errors for all the devices that are beyond the firewall?
[07-Jun-2007 12:38:38] <amonfils> no, because it'll return something other than 'timeout' more than likely
[07-Jun-2007 12:38:43] <Aziraphale> moredakka: depends on the blocking rule but, theoretically, yes
[07-Jun-2007 12:38:58] <amonfils> !X != timeout
[07-Jun-2007 12:39:20] <moredakka> well I think it should have generated an error rather than putting zenping into an endless loop
[07-Jun-2007 12:39:34] <amonfils> unexpected response and unhandled in code
[07-Jun-2007 12:39:35] <Aziraphale> if it DROPs it should timeout, if it REJECTs, not
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:00] <amonfils> fix it moredakka and file a buggy!
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:02] <Aziraphale> the REJECT might be the one that gets misparsed, similar to my UNREACH
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:10] <moredakka> bah :-/ least I know what the problem is....grrrr.....
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:13] <moredakka> haha
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:24] <moredakka> if I touch any of the files I'm sure the system will light on fire.
[07-Jun-2007 12:41:21] <amonfils> so the real question about this libcrypto thing
[07-Jun-2007 12:41:30] <amonfils> is why if we are preloading it in netsnmp.py
[07-Jun-2007 12:41:35] <amonfils> when is it not getting globally registered!
[07-Jun-2007 12:41:47] <amonfils> again, lack of clue.
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:17] <amonfils> i suspect the cause lies here crypto = CDLL(find_library('crypto'), RTLD_GLOBAL)
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:26] <Aziraphale> dunno either. they made some changes to that code last night, though
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:33] <amonfils> yes searched the svn
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:35] <amonfils> no help
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:38] <amonfils> your fix was spot on
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:58] <Aziraphale> I didn't come up with it
[07-Jun-2007 12:43:39] <amonfils> oh.
[07-Jun-2007 12:43:45] <amonfils> well, kudos anyway for pointing it out
[07-Jun-2007 12:43:56] <Aziraphale> just filed the bug - I think the credit belongs to Eric
[07-Jun-2007 12:45:02] <Aziraphale> shoul find the time to learn Python, really
[07-Jun-2007 12:45:19] <amonfils> yes and add it to the ever increasing stack of crap to know
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[07-Jun-2007 12:55:32] <mouseclone> back
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:07] <mouseclone> have any of yall intergrated speex with zenoss for anouncing events?
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:23] <Aziraphale> der bob, no
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:26] <amonfils> "ya fookin bloke, your router is down!"
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:30] <Aziraphale> dear, even
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:45] <Aziraphale> last thing i need is the damn thing shouting at me
[07-Jun-2007 12:58:47] <amonfils> dear networking community
[07-Jun-2007 12:58:53] <amonfils> please come up with something better than snmp
[07-Jun-2007 12:58:54] <amonfils> thanks,
[07-Jun-2007 12:58:55] <amonfils> aaron
[07-Jun-2007 13:06:36] <amonfils> ps
[07-Jun-2007 13:06:37] <amonfils> netflow isn't it
[07-Jun-2007 13:06:51] <mouseclone> not sure if there will ever be another protol call that is as main stream as snmp
[07-Jun-2007 13:07:11] <amonfils> cisco's SAA is a start
[07-Jun-2007 13:07:17] <amonfils> it should be generated by the device itself
[07-Jun-2007 13:07:27] <mouseclone> I saw that. It is nice. but it is for Cisco
[07-Jun-2007 13:07:33] <amonfils> so was netflow at one time...
[07-Jun-2007 13:08:08] <mouseclone> mibs are not bad just a lot to rember
[07-Jun-2007 13:08:18] <mouseclone> and they are not all consistant across the board.
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:26] <moredakka> Hey since you two are quite smart, zenping (the bain of my existance) has generated this in the logs
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:27] <moredakka> ERROR zen.Ping: receiving packet error: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:27] <moredakka> Traceback (most recent call last):
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:49] <amonfils> sounds like it's a null variable
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:55] <moredakka> ERROR zen.Ping: receiving packet error: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:59] <moredakka> gah
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:03] <moredakka> not doing well here with the pasting
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:07] <amonfils> and for the record; not smart, just terribly dangerous because i know just enough to be dangerous
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:28] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 152, in recvPackets
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:29] <moredakka> self.pingJobSucceed(self.jobqueue[sip])
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:42] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 184, in pingJobSucceed
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:42] <moredakka> self.reportPingJob(pj)
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:46] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 205, in reportPingJob
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:46] <moredakka> pj.deferred.callback(pj)
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:51] <moredakka> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:11:05] <moredakka> Do you know how I can fix that?
[07-Jun-2007 13:11:28] <amonfils> my clue here is 'Nonetype'
[07-Jun-2007 13:11:40] <amonfils> my guess is that is the same as "null"
[07-Jun-2007 13:11:48] <amonfils> a null object having a callback sounds suspect to me
[07-Jun-2007 13:12:47] <moredakka> What can I do about it?
[07-Jun-2007 13:12:54] <amonfils> are you still blocking ICMP pings?
[07-Jun-2007 13:12:57] <moredakka> nope
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[07-Jun-2007 13:13:15] <moredakka> this error randomly appears in the logs.
[07-Jun-2007 13:13:33] <mouseclone> what device/server OS are you trying to reach?
[07-Jun-2007 13:13:42] <moredakka> I also get WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet every once in a while.
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[07-Jun-2007 13:13:53] <moredakka> I'm not sure what device that is that is causing the problem.
[07-Jun-2007 13:14:37] <moredakka> guess I could systematically disable ping monitoring on each device until that error stops coming up.
[07-Jun-2007 13:15:19] <mouseclone> If you have window servers in your list I would kill them first. Could be a firewall on the local server. I have not seen a server with the XP firewall but it you did an auto discovery then you woul dhave xp or vista if you have M$ OSs
[07-Jun-2007 13:17:12] <moredakka> alright, so stopping monitoring each one individually for 5 minutes is really the only way to figure out which one is causing the problem....I'm going to try -v 10 on zenping
[07-Jun-2007 13:19:05] <moredakka> would this be the packet? DEBUG zen.Ping: unexpected pkt 10.10.10.123 <ICMP packet 8 0 15601 0>
[07-Jun-2007 13:19:55] <moredakka> it's weird cause I get a success after that
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[07-Jun-2007 13:21:03] <moredakka> cluther, r u here now?
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[07-Jun-2007 13:24:07] <moredakka> guess now
[07-Jun-2007 13:24:15] <moredakka> not
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[07-Jun-2007 13:35:34] <cluther> moredakka: Just got back from lunch. What version are you running?
[07-Jun-2007 13:38:01] <moredakka> 1.1.1
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[07-Jun-2007 13:39:12] <moredakka> Also, I posted a possible bug in the forums. I'm not sure if it is a bug or something worked into the software but when you have a chance if you wouldn't mind looking at it ;-)
[07-Jun-2007 13:41:11] <cluther> moredakka: I think the ping thing is a bug that was present in 1.1.1. 1.1.2 and later handle bad and unexpected ping responses more graceully.
[07-Jun-2007 13:43:05] <moredakka> ah, cool. So once 2.0 goes live I'll have to make sure to get that running on here to deal with these small problems.
[07-Jun-2007 13:43:26] <moredakka> While I have your attention here, is there anything that can be done in 1.1.1 about the zenping heartbeat failure?
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:10] <amonfils> upgrade to 2.0
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:16] <moredakka> haha
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:22] <moredakka> well doesn't that fix everything ;-)
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:33] <moredakka> will the upgrade from 1.1.1 -> 2.0 be painful?
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:52] <amonfils> beats me. i started with 2.0 fresh; early adopter! cutting edge! (and bleeding all over my keyboard)
[07-Jun-2007 13:45:01] <moredakka> haha
[07-Jun-2007 13:45:09] <moredakka> I'm not a huge fan of beta in production
[07-Jun-2007 13:45:25] <amonfils> how much T train code do you have?
[07-Jun-2007 13:45:31] <amonfils> (assuming ios)
[07-Jun-2007 13:46:23] <cluther> moredakka: Sorry I've been mostly unresponsive as of late. I'm quite swamped.
[07-Jun-2007 13:46:41] <moredakka> T train? Since I'm a)linux newb and b)zenoss newb I'm not sure what you're talking about
[07-Jun-2007 13:46:48] <amonfils> oh ok
[07-Jun-2007 13:46:54] <cluther> moredakka: The zenping problem is likely due to zenping reloading its configuration every 20 minutes and taking too long to build the pingtree (layer 3 topology map.)
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:01] <amonfils> nevermind then.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:13] <amonfils> i need beer.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:20] <cluther> moredakka: Go to the Edit tab of your status monitor and set the config reload cycle to 1440 minutes or something much longer than 20 minutes.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:32] <moredakka> cluther - This is volunteer work and I can't expect an imediate answer all the time.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:50] <cluther> moredakka: Also, the upgrade from 1.x to 2.0 is mostly painless. The online instructions for it work quite well.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:58] <moredakka> cool. can't wait for gold.
[07-Jun-2007 13:48:05] <cluther> moredakka: You won't have to wait long.
[07-Jun-2007 13:48:14] <moredakka> yeah heard something about this week?
[07-Jun-2007 13:48:30] <cluther> Pushed until next week.
[07-Jun-2007 13:48:58] <moredakka> Ah...well making something properly rather than quickly makes more sense ;-)
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:13] <cluther> Both is best. =}
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:19] <amonfils> cheap fast good
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:20] <amonfils> pick two
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:27] <cluther> fast and good please.
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:31] <moredakka> haha
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:38] <amonfils> then not cheap!
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:58] <moredakka> cluther, thanks for your help. Most of my issues have been pebkac issues
[07-Jun-2007 13:50:12] <amonfils> id10t errors
[07-Jun-2007 13:50:20] <amonfils> know them well1
[07-Jun-2007 13:50:20] <moredakka> yeah those too
[07-Jun-2007 13:50:27] <cluther> moredakka: Happens to us all..
[07-Jun-2007 13:51:14] <moredakka> ha true true. some much much much fewer than others
[07-Jun-2007 13:51:50] <moredakka> Oh had another thing that was a problem, maybe you'll be able to shed some light on.
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:10] <moredakka> ERROR zen.Ping: receiving packet error: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:15] <moredakka> Traceback (most recent call last):
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:22] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 152, in recvPackets
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:27] <moredakka> self.pingJobSucceed(self.jobqueue[sip])
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:31] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 184, in pingJobSucceed
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:34] <moredakka> self.reportPingJob(pj)
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:45] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 205, in reportPingJob
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:49] <moredakka> pj.deferred.callback(pj)
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:53] <moredakka> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:53:05] <moredakka> That happens randomly in the zenping log.
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[07-Jun-2007 15:23:29] <moredakka> anyone here?
[07-Jun-2007 15:29:33] <moredakka>
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[07-Jun-2007 15:52:10] <moredakka> anyone here?
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[07-Jun-2007 16:03:39] <moredakka> anyone here?
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[07-Jun-2007 22:25:03] <irc> hey there
[07-Jun-2007 22:25:14] <irc> can someone help me with a quick question
[07-Jun-2007 22:25:39] <irc> getting the following error
[07-Jun-2007 22:28:10] <irc> unable to find the "patch" program
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[07-Jun-2007 22:43:20] <irc> hey chair
[07-Jun-2007 22:43:26] <irc> hows it going
[07-Jun-2007 22:49:39] <irc> anyone know what ubuntu package owns mysql_config
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[07-Jun-2007 22:59:59] <irc> anyone have advice on this error
[07-Jun-2007 23:00:00] <irc> unable to find the "patch" program
[07-Jun-2007 23:01:04] <irc> fixed it
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[08-Jun-2007 01:27:44] <davetoo> Feh. It's too bad net-snmp reports NFS mounts as physical disks, the same as local drives
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[08-Jun-2007 05:49:17] <foreigNer> hi I just downloaded the 1.9.7 vmware and started her up but unlike the 1.1.1 vmware this one is having some problems ... zenping and other services are down and are not up and running
[08-Jun-2007 05:49:38] <foreigNer> I tried starting them but the don't just start ...
[08-Jun-2007 05:49:48] <foreigNer> anyone any idea ??
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[08-Jun-2007 05:54:04] <foreigNer> hmmm
[08-Jun-2007 05:54:12] <foreigNer> anyone even here ??
[08-Jun-2007 05:54:38] <foreigNer> german ?? English ?? french ??
[08-Jun-2007 05:55:19] <foreigNer> thanks anyway
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[08-Jun-2007 06:29:26] <GSN> Anyone here sucessfully imported any Juniper mibs? In particualr Netscreen Mibs ?
[08-Jun-2007 06:31:37] <Aziraphale> not netscreen but the router ones
[08-Jun-2007 06:37:45] <GSN> i keep getting errors about loading files so i edited the mibs to contain /dir/dir/dir/xx.mib for the includes etc but now i get this error
[08-Jun-2007 06:37:58] <GSN> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Failed to load mib: /opt/zenoss/share/mibs/site/NS-TRAPS.mib
[08-Jun-2007 06:37:58] <GSN> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Error: sh: smidump: command not found
[08-Jun-2007 06:41:05] <GSN> any ideas ?
[08-Jun-2007 06:45:18] <Aziraphale> zenmib run mib1 mib2 mib3 etc
[08-Jun-2007 06:45:46] <GSN> produces the same resaults
[08-Jun-2007 06:46:22] <GSN> ive just looked in my config files there al empty including zenmib.conf and zenmib.conf.example where do i find what to put in the conf files ?
[08-Jun-2007 06:52:42] <GSN> ?
[08-Jun-2007 06:57:57] <GSN> i isntalled from source
[08-Jun-2007 07:05:56] <GSN> ok so any ideas about the mib problem ?
[08-Jun-2007 07:08:32] <GSN> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Error: sh: smidump: command not found <-- this is oviously the problem but it is installed in bin becuase i can run it and $ZENPATH is set
[08-Jun-2007 07:12:03] <GSN> can someone paste there zenmib.conf file ?
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[08-Jun-2007 07:30:00] <GSN> anyone?
[08-Jun-2007 08:06:42] <GSN> ok had to add PATH var to .bash_profile
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[08-Jun-2007 09:37:08] <GSN> is there a good tutorial on how to graph interface stats ?
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[08-Jun-2007 10:29:29] <flip> hey all -- anyone around?
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[08-Jun-2007 11:13:44] <oggei> hi
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[08-Jun-2007 11:32:04] <oggei> are someone using twisted interface to zenoss net-snmp ctypes wrapper ? Little luck getting it to work at all, and no docs
[08-Jun-2007 11:37:31] <oggei> wth, it was a basic error in proxy instantiation, i'll fill a bug for that
[08-Jun-2007 11:37:37] <oggei> cya
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[08-Jun-2007 15:03:03] <s> question
[08-Jun-2007 15:03:13] <s> how do I send alerts for high load?
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[08-Jun-2007 15:16:45] <Keizer> Hey guys
[08-Jun-2007 15:16:52] <s> heya
[08-Jun-2007 15:17:14] <Keizer> Having some trouble with Zenoss. It's having gaps in the graphs
[08-Jun-2007 15:17:22] <Keizer> But it's always reading current throughput
[08-Jun-2007 15:17:45] <s> hmm. Im pretty new to the tool. Havent run into that
[08-Jun-2007 15:17:59] <s> I just know the basics
[08-Jun-2007 15:18:53] <Keizer> Are you using Gigabit ports?
[08-Jun-2007 15:19:30] <s> yeah , I my switch is gige
[08-Jun-2007 15:19:37] <s> I saw something about that
[08-Jun-2007 15:22:10] <Keizer> Succotash
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[08-Jun-2007 16:30:38] <Keizer> What does Bind Templates mean? I'm trying to switch my CISCO device over to 64bit reading
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[08-Jun-2007 18:36:05] <monrad> nice 2.0 is tagged in svn
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[09-Jun-2007 06:42:00] <giesen> I upgraded zenoss and seem to have lost all the standard mibs
[09-Jun-2007 06:42:05] <giesen> how do I get them back
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[09-Jun-2007 11:06:50] <giesen> anyone?
[09-Jun-2007 11:06:54] <giesen> I upgraded zenoss and seem to have lost all the standard mibs
[09-Jun-2007 11:06:57] <giesen> how do I get them back?
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[09-Jun-2007 14:33:58] <[swb]> hello all, I have a quick question
[09-Jun-2007 14:34:37] <[swb]> is it possible to get zenoss to perform custom actions (preferably run some kind of scripts) when certain alerts are triggered
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[10-Jun-2007 08:45:45] <fulgas> is there a ebuild for zenoss?
[10-Jun-2007 08:46:25] <monrad> nope
[10-Jun-2007 08:48:14] <fulgas> ok thk
[10-Jun-2007 08:48:15] <fulgas>
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[10-Jun-2007 17:44:05] <densone> hey guys, hows it going today ?
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[10-Jun-2007 18:05:57] <nassy> no matter what i try to add to zenoss (user, device, status or performance monitor) i get an error message. i am using 1.9.7 beta virtual machine.
[10-Jun-2007 18:06:16] <nassy> does the vm not allow you to add anything?
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[10-Jun-2007 18:07:31] <nassy> a specific example of an error when i try to add a user: username with email username@company.com is TypeError with value Value: hasattr(): attribute name must be string
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[11-Jun-2007 08:50:27] <IceGuest_7> Can you monitor a windows 2000 system with Zenoss 2.0?
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[11-Jun-2007 10:33:00] <AModlin> ok
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[11-Jun-2007 10:38:51] <spike> hi
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[11-Jun-2007 10:50:32] <josh__> hey guys.. what tells zenoss to upgrade vs a clean install?.. im trying to do a clean install of 2.0, but when running zenoss start, it tries to upgrade
[11-Jun-2007 10:55:48] <josh__> hm found it.
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[11-Jun-2007 11:08:25] <deny[all]> hi
[11-Jun-2007 11:08:37] <deny[all]> someone alive?
[11-Jun-2007 11:09:19] <giesen> man
[11-Jun-2007 11:09:22] <giesen> I knew that was coming
[11-Jun-2007 11:09:27] <giesen> as soon as they renamed it zenoss core
[11-Jun-2007 11:09:37] <giesen> I knew there was a pay version with more features coming
[11-Jun-2007 11:10:23] <creiht> giesen: They have been pretty open about that from the beginning
[11-Jun-2007 11:10:43] <creiht> That eventually there would be a pay version with extra functionality
[11-Jun-2007 11:11:13] <giesen> yeah
[11-Jun-2007 11:11:25] <giesen> I was just hoping it'd be more of a pay for support/certification type thing
[11-Jun-2007 11:14:50] <creiht> giesen: Looks like the main thing for the Enterprise version will be enhanced zenpacks and a hardware appliance
[11-Jun-2007 11:14:59] <deny[all]> zenoss have support for snmp v3?
[11-Jun-2007 11:16:30] <creiht> deny[all]: They should in the next release
[11-Jun-2007 11:16:59] <deny[all]> ok, what is that od pay version?
[11-Jun-2007 11:17:18] <deny[all]> it's not opensource anymore?
[11-Jun-2007 11:17:57] <creiht> the core stuff (what is available now) is still opensource, and will always be open source
[11-Jun-2007 11:18:16] <deny[all]> coz i'm thinking in replace my nagios with zenoss
[11-Jun-2007 11:18:25] <creiht> They are adding extra functionality that you can pay for
[11-Jun-2007 11:18:37] <creiht> for example a hardware appliance that you just install in your datacenter
[11-Jun-2007 11:19:02] <deny[all]> ok
[11-Jun-2007 11:19:07] <creiht> and extra zenpacks for monitoring things like MS SQL server
[11-Jun-2007 11:19:23] <creiht> And extra reports
[11-Jun-2007 11:19:47] <deny[all]> and the snmp v3 support it's not part of this new features?
[11-Jun-2007 11:19:52] <creiht> yes
[11-Jun-2007 11:19:56] <creiht> that is part of CORE
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:04] <creiht> or Zenoss CORE
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:05] <giesen> deny[all]: zenoss is a nice replacement for nagios
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:08] <creiht> whatever they call it
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:14] <giesen> I've replaced a few installations
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:15] <creiht> and yes giesen is very correct
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:17] <creiht>
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:22] <giesen> although they're all bugging me about one thing
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:26] <giesen> repeating notifications :/
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:36] <creiht> giesen: repeating?
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:39] <giesen> yeah
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:51] <giesen> zenoss wont repeat notificatiosn until acknowledged
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:57] <creiht> oh
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:59] <creiht> gotcha
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:04] <creiht> that works for me
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:06] <giesen> I have to create a workaround with a whole bunch of rules
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:14] <giesen> unless they just put it in 2.0
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:18] <giesen> Im upgrading to 2.0 right now
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:21] <deny[all]> giesen: yes i'm reading about it and that's what i'm thinking about the replace, but i'm need use snmp v3 since snmp v1 it's not secure enough
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:35] <giesen> meh
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:43] <giesen> the *vast* majority of people use snmp1/2c
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:47] <giesen> and secure with ip access lists
[11-Jun-2007 11:23:04] <deny[all]> giesen: i'm planning put the zenoss server on other datacenter far away from my main datacenter, snmp v1 does not use any encryption as a far i know
[11-Jun-2007 11:23:14] <giesen> ah
[11-Jun-2007 11:23:24] <giesen> relatively few devices support snmp3 though
[11-Jun-2007 11:23:31] <giesen> just saying, not a big concern for me
[11-Jun-2007 11:23:38] <giesen> can you could always use a vpn tunnel or something
[11-Jun-2007 11:24:47] <deny[all]> i mean, if i use a monitoring and alarm system the smart thing to do it's put it on other datacenter
[11-Jun-2007 11:25:16] <deny[all]> giesen: this is for linux servers, so they support v3
[11-Jun-2007 11:26:09] <giesen> ah yes
[11-Jun-2007 11:26:14] <creiht> deny[all]: The other thing you could do is set up a private network and monitor off of that
[11-Jun-2007 11:26:14] <giesen> I deal with a lot of different devices
[11-Jun-2007 11:26:27] <deny[all]> now i'm using nagios and cacti, but i see that zenoss have both features, statistics and alarm sistem
[11-Jun-2007 11:26:46] <deny[all]> creiht: like a vpn?
[11-Jun-2007 11:26:54] <giesen> deny[all]: zenoss has graphs
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:01] <giesen> but it's certainly no replacement for cacti
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:05] <creiht> deny[all]: Give each device a second set of nics
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:22] <creiht> And set up a private network that doesn't have public access
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:30] <creiht> connect the monitoring machine to that network
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:31] <giesen> it's great for seeing at a glance some stats
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:38] <giesen> but it's hard to pull any actual numbers out of it
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:49] <deny[all]> creiht: i got that already, but i want zenoss out of my main datacenter
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:55] <creiht> ahh
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:58] <creiht> gotcha
[11-Jun-2007 11:28:42] <deny[all]> creiht: if i lost connectivity with the main datacenter and zenoss is in there i never going to notice that
[11-Jun-2007 11:29:31] <creiht> true
[11-Jun-2007 11:29:51] <deny[all]> i'm not sure if i'm clear enough, my english it's really bad
[11-Jun-2007 11:31:46] <deny[all]> so i think i need wait for the new release or search for another alternative
[11-Jun-2007 11:31:48] <creiht> deny[all]: Not at all, I understand fine
[11-Jun-2007 11:31:56] <deny[all]> k grate
[11-Jun-2007 11:32:06] <creiht> deny[all]: There is a beta available of the next release
[11-Jun-2007 11:32:16] <creiht> So you could at least try it out to see how it will work
[11-Jun-2007 11:33:07] <deny[all]> but it's pay or not? because i'm looking for a GPL solution
[11-Jun-2007 11:33:19] <giesen> deny[all]: the core is still GPL
[11-Jun-2007 11:33:33] <giesen> just the enterprise version with more features that's coming is pay
[11-Jun-2007 11:33:44] <creiht> and the current stuff will always be GPL
[11-Jun-2007 11:33:46] <deny[all]> mm... ok, now i get it
[11-Jun-2007 11:33:56] <giesen> lots of open source projects work that way
[11-Jun-2007 11:34:03] <giesen> sugarcrm is a good example
[11-Jun-2007 11:35:35] * giesen wonders if nagios plugin performance is any better in 2.0
[11-Jun-2007 11:42:48] <spike> giesen: I'd love to avoid a flame, and it's been discussed to death already, sugarcrm is a rogue company living off of free software, and it's not open source (by mouth of one of the OSS's guys, cant remember which one)
[11-Jun-2007 11:43:18] <spike> should be fairly easy to google out
[11-Jun-2007 11:44:31] <spike> s/sugacrm/but sugarcrm/
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[11-Jun-2007 11:53:46] <giesen> well
[11-Jun-2007 11:53:56] <giesen> I dont know enough about sugarcrm to get into it
[11-Jun-2007 11:54:01] <giesen> but certainly their model is not unique
[11-Jun-2007 11:54:21] <giesen> Im definitely finding out freebsd is becoming less and less of a viable platform for zenoss though
[11-Jun-2007 11:54:25] <giesen> not taht I blame the zenoss guys
[11-Jun-2007 11:54:34] <spike> how so?
[11-Jun-2007 11:54:47] <spike> dont really run zenoss on fbsd so cant comment, just curious
[11-Jun-2007 11:55:02] <giesen> increasing amount of build errors
[11-Jun-2007 11:55:06] <giesen> with each new release
[11-Jun-2007 11:55:25] <giesen> if I could have I would have built this box on a proper linux platform
[11-Jun-2007 11:55:27] * giesen curses his boss
[11-Jun-2007 11:55:51] <giesen> and since freebsd isnt officially a supported platform
[11-Jun-2007 11:56:01] <giesen> it doesnt get much attention
[11-Jun-2007 11:56:07] <giesen> (again, i dont blame the zenoss guys for that)
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[11-Jun-2007 11:56:35] <giesen> gmake: *** [wmi-install] Error 2
[11-Jun-2007 11:56:37] <giesen> oops
[11-Jun-2007 11:58:26] <hspcd> folks, I am trying to get the new 2.0 version of Zenoss working on CentOS 4.4 and keep having the error at the link provided below. I've uninstalled, and reinstalled a couple of times, rebooted, checked the hosts file, etc. Nothing I've done seems to fix this. Anyone seen this or know how to help me?
[11-Jun-2007 11:58:28] <hspcd> http://rafb.net/p/XXgiz748.html
[11-Jun-2007 11:58:35] <adytum-bot> Title: Nopaste - Errors when running the zenoss init script as root (at rafb.net)
[11-Jun-2007 12:04:29] <giesen> dont run it as root
[11-Jun-2007 12:04:30] <giesen> =)
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[11-Jun-2007 12:07:22] <giesen> hspcd: is there anything in the logs?
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[11-Jun-2007 13:05:46] <giesen> gah
[11-Jun-2007 13:05:49] <giesen> upgrade to 2.0 failed :/
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[11-Jun-2007 13:12:03] <_3b> should zeoctl be available in a fresh install of 2.0?
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[11-Jun-2007 13:13:32] <_3b> giesen: out of curiosity, how did you upgrade?
[11-Jun-2007 13:13:51] <giesen> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/trunk/inst/ZEN2UPGRADE.txt?format=txt
[11-Jun-2007 13:13:51] <giesen> using instructions there
[11-Jun-2007 13:13:53] <giesen> plus a few hacks for freebsd
[11-Jun-2007 13:14:23] <_3b> heh, glad i didn't try that then
[11-Jun-2007 13:14:55] <_3b> trying to use those instructions to copy the copnfig to a test machine first, but missing the zeoctl command
[11-Jun-2007 13:15:39] <giesen> it might be freebsd-specific
[11-Jun-2007 13:15:41] <giesen> (the problem)
[11-Jun-2007 13:15:54] <giesen> I only get the error when I try to repopulate the database
[11-Jun-2007 13:16:29] <_3b> you install from the tarball?
[11-Jun-2007 13:16:30] <giesen> with zen2load.py
[11-Jun-2007 13:16:32] <giesen> yeah
[11-Jun-2007 13:20:59] <hspcd> giesen: you're saying that after I do an rpm -Uvh zenoss... that I should su - zenoss and do a zenoss start command instead of running /etc/init.d/zenoss start as root?
[11-Jun-2007 13:27:55] <giesen> no
[11-Jun-2007 13:27:57] <giesen> I was half joking
[11-Jun-2007 13:28:05] <giesen> using the init scripts is the proper way for RPM
[11-Jun-2007 13:28:11] <giesen> although I'd be curious to know if that works
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[11-Jun-2007 13:29:40] <_3b> giesen: do you have a zeoctl in the zenoss user's PATH after installing from the tarball?
[11-Jun-2007 13:30:53] <_3b> actually, i guess you probably do since you got stuck on the step after that
[11-Jun-2007 13:49:26] <giesen> yeah
[11-Jun-2007 13:49:30] <giesen> zeoctl is definitely there
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[11-Jun-2007 14:12:08] <_3b> heh, if i try starting it without trying to import the data, it can't find zeoctl or zopectl at all, and the rest can't find their config files...
[11-Jun-2007 14:56:26] <enots> uhm. zenoss.com -> Site Error
[11-Jun-2007 14:58:46] <_3b> site seems to work from here
[11-Jun-2007 14:58:46] <hspcd> giesen: what logs should I look at to determine what the problem is? I've removed the zenoss rpm with the -e switch and rebooted. Then I've installed zenoss again. I'm going to run the /etc/init.d/zenoss script as root and we'll see if I still get the same errors...
[11-Jun-2007 15:01:22] <_3b> hspcd: what errors do you get?
[11-Jun-2007 15:01:37] <hspcd> still getting the same error when starting /etc/init.d/zenoss script. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error
[11-Jun-2007 15:02:42] <_3b> ah...thanks, trying to reproduce your error may have fixed mine
[11-Jun-2007 15:02:44] <hspcd> _3b, the whole sequence is pasted here: http://rafb.net/p/qZvEVI81.html
[11-Jun-2007 15:02:51] <adytum-bot> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)
[11-Jun-2007 15:05:56] <_3b> seems to have worked OK here
[11-Jun-2007 15:07:31] <_3b> one difference I see, on your output, zeoctl is already running, while it wasn't in mine
[11-Jun-2007 15:08:25] <_3b> aside from the obvious 'Data migration failed' error that is
[11-Jun-2007 15:09:03] <_3b> i suppose the error could have left the daemon running though
[11-Jun-2007 15:09:31] <hspcd> what do you think i should do from here?
[11-Jun-2007 15:11:26] <_3b> my guess would be check /opt/zenoss/log/zeo.log
[11-Jun-2007 15:11:36] <_3b> not completely sure that is the right one though
[11-Jun-2007 15:13:48] <hspcd> no errors in that log file
[11-Jun-2007 15:18:14] <_3b> were you truing to upgrade?
[11-Jun-2007 15:22:31] <hspcd> no, this is a new install
[11-Jun-2007 15:30:38] <_3b> after you do an rpm -e, is there still anything in /opt/zenoss ?
[11-Jun-2007 15:31:00] <giesen> does anyone have any idea on the storage errors a bunch of us were getting?
[11-Jun-2007 15:31:14] <giesen> otherwise I gotta spend another hour or so backing out the install :/
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[11-Jun-2007 15:51:15] <_3b> looks like mine is working now, aside from trying to do WMI stuff with linux servers
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[11-Jun-2007 16:39:27] <hspcd> got zenoss 2.0 to finally start and the zeo db working. Now, there are a few procs that will not run. Anyone available to assist?
[11-Jun-2007 16:39:28] <hspcd> [zenoss@rdumon1 bin]$ ./zenstatus run
[11-Jun-2007 16:39:28] <hspcd> WARNING:zen.ZenStatus:Reconnected to ZenHub
[11-Jun-2007 16:39:29] <hspcd> INFO:zen.ZenStatus:fetching property items
[11-Jun-2007 16:39:29] <hspcd> ERROR:zen.ZenStatus:iteration over non-sequence
[11-Jun-2007 16:39:29] <hspcd> INFO:zen.ZenStatus:zenstatus shutting down
[11-Jun-2007 16:43:24] <giesen> hspcd: what was the problem if I may ask
[11-Jun-2007 16:44:56] * giesen thinks all the devs slept in today after pushing out the release
[11-Jun-2007 16:47:01] <hspcd> not sure. I ended up rpm -e on zenoss, then deleted the /opt/zenoss directory, rebooted, installed with rpm -Uvh and it worked. Now I've got the following procs that all fail with the 'iteration over non-sequence' error: zenstatus, zenperfsnmp, zenprocess
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[11-Jun-2007 17:04:50] <_3b> i think his problem may have been leftover $ZENHOME/var/Data.fs*, no idea why he would have those on a fresh install though
[11-Jun-2007 17:05:46] <_3b> i got the same error for a bit when i was importing old data
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[11-Jun-2007 17:17:58] <_3b> is there something in 2.0 that replaces the 'collect configuration' button on the manage tab of a specific device from 1.1?
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[11-Jun-2007 17:49:21] <Aziraphale> _3b: Model Device under the little arrow
[11-Jun-2007 17:49:50] <_3b> yeah, found it...apparently trying to import my old config broke it, so i had no little arrow
[11-Jun-2007 17:50:09] * _3b isn't having too much luck with 2.0
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[12-Jun-2007 03:44:28] <bsy1> Hi
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[12-Jun-2007 03:45:38] <bsy1> I just installed zenoss 2.0.0 on Centos 5. Everything went ok, but displaying events is broken under IE.
[12-Jun-2007 03:48:17] <bsy1> Anyone got rid of this problem ?
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[12-Jun-2007 05:52:25] <ToniVR> hi, I just downloaded the VMware image, and set up to discover my network. When discovering the 2nd subnet, I get loads of "Neighbour table overflow" in the console. ANy idea?
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[12-Jun-2007 06:49:25] <g00n> Im having som e problems upgrading my zenoss to 2.0.0; zen2dump.py gives me an error, AttributeError: 'PerformanceReport' object has no attribute 'isInTree'.
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[12-Jun-2007 09:29:39] <giesen> any of the devs around that can help with my 2.0 problem (or anyone else for that matter)
[12-Jun-2007 09:33:20] <giesen> http://rafb.net/p/W8DaJa94.html
[12-Jun-2007 09:33:28] <adytum-bot> Title: Nopaste - Upgrade from Zenoss 1.1.2 to 2.0 fails on import (at rafb.net)
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[12-Jun-2007 09:37:39] <jb> having trouble creating custom data sources/graphs in 2.0.. zenperfsnmp is telling me that my OIDs are bad (but they are not)
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[12-Jun-2007 10:06:49] <hspcd> is anyone else here having the issue where zenprocess, zenperfsnmp and zenstatus fail to start with an "iteration over non-sequence" error? This is a fresh install of Core 2.
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[12-Jun-2007 10:07:17] <hspcd> details at http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2245
[12-Jun-2007 10:07:17] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Daemons not starting - iteration over non-sequence (at community.zenoss.com)
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[12-Jun-2007 11:02:10] <halr9000> n00b question, zc2.0 vmware appliance, i've discovered a few networks and it modeled the few that have SNMP enabled. I tried to model others (preferrably using portscan or wmi) but so far can't figure out how to do that
[12-Jun-2007 11:02:29] <halr9000> insert the word "device" in there somewhere
[12-Jun-2007 11:06:31] <halr9000> quiet channel
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[12-Jun-2007 11:49:48] <r5> morning
[12-Jun-2007 11:54:43] <halr9000> howdy
[12-Jun-2007 11:54:59] <halr9000> might you know anything at all about zenoss?
[12-Jun-2007 11:55:10] <halr9000> [11:02] <halr9000> n00b question, zc2.0 vmware appliance, i've discovered a few networks and it modeled the few that have SNMP enabled. I tried to model others (preferrably using portscan or wmi) but so far can't figure out how to do that
[12-Jun-2007 11:55:15] <r5> I have JUST installed if for the first time
[12-Jun-2007 11:55:18] <halr9000> damn
[12-Jun-2007 11:55:28] <halr9000> of all the people here you and I are the only ones talking
[12-Jun-2007 11:55:44] <halr9000> guess I'll idle till someone who knows something shows up while I keep googling
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[12-Jun-2007 11:58:17] <creiht> halr9000: Sorry, I've only done SNMP monitoring... I thought there was an option of how you want to dectect services when you add a device though
[12-Jun-2007 12:03:36] <halr9000> seems the docs are outdated with the release of 2.0
[12-Jun-2007 12:03:44] <halr9000> thanks creiht
[12-Jun-2007 12:04:03] <halr9000> ideally i want to do nmap portscan modelling
[12-Jun-2007 12:04:03] <creiht> And I also haven't tried 2.0 out yet
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[12-Jun-2007 12:21:52] <zor0> hello? anyone unafk?
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[12-Jun-2007 13:14:08] <rkagin> Which events are mapped to XML-RPC? I have found two files, which map slightly different events: /zenoss-2.0.0/Products/ZenRRD/zenx.py and /zenoss-2.0.0/Products/ZenHub/XmlRpcService.py.
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[12-Jun-2007 13:22:03] <jb> anyone around that has made custom graphs/datapoints in 2.0?
[12-Jun-2007 13:27:52] * Aziraphale waves
[12-Jun-2007 13:30:31] <jb> hi
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[12-Jun-2007 15:00:33] <rkagin> Can anyone help on finding the differences between /zenoss-2.0.0/Products/ZenRRD/zenx.py and /zenoss-2.0.0/Products/ZenHub/XmlRpcService.py, in terms of their functionality, use, and interface with ZenModel (or relevant modules)?
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[12-Jun-2007 15:19:16] <jmizell> any one know how to get all the information from aix or an hpux box for snmp?
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[12-Jun-2007 16:20:59] <J-Bob> jmizell: AIX and HPUX are both tricky. They both have base agents with additional agents for things like host resources (CPU / Disk / Memory). There are good resources out there for configuring the AIX subagents. HPUX requires their extensible agent in addition to what ships with the base OS
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[12-Jun-2007 16:32:30] <bin2hex> Quick question - can you upgrade the appliance from 1.1.1 to 2.0 ?
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[12-Jun-2007 16:38:03] <DBCooper_> I'm getting a traceback when I try to discover devices on one of my subnets.
[12-Jun-2007 16:38:09] <DBCooper_> I assume it's working for others.
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[12-Jun-2007 16:45:49] <scrip> where does the zope save its logs?
[12-Jun-2007 16:46:01] <scrip> zopectl keeps exiting for no reason, and it won't accept requests
[12-Jun-2007 16:47:23] <DBCooper_> Logs should be in $ZENHOME/log
[12-Jun-2007 16:51:05] <scrip> but where is the zope log? there isn't a zopectl.log
[12-Jun-2007 16:54:47] <DBCooper_> I'm not sure, but your zopectl problem might show in the syslog on the server.
[12-Jun-2007 16:54:58] <creiht> scrip: Check Z2.log
[12-Jun-2007 16:55:01] <DBCooper_> It may not be getting far enough to show in the zope logs.
[12-Jun-2007 16:55:43] <DBCooper_> Z2.log is the log for the web interface
[12-Jun-2007 16:55:49] <creiht> creiht: and also check event.log
[12-Jun-2007 16:55:54] <creiht> Which is zope
[12-Jun-2007 16:56:07] <DBCooper_> indeed :-)
[12-Jun-2007 16:56:28] <creiht> zope logs to event.log and Z2.log
[12-Jun-2007 16:56:43] <creiht> event.log is most likely where you will find an error message
[12-Jun-2007 16:58:48] <bin2hex> Quick question - can you upgrade the appliance from 1.1.1 to 2.0 ?
[12-Jun-2007 16:59:26] <scrip> ok, zopectl was exiting with no error at all, when I run it by hand with zopectl run -v 10 I get this a message "ValueError: corrupted record, oid"
[12-Jun-2007 16:59:31] <scrip> what does that mean?
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[12-Jun-2007 17:08:48] <scrip> zopectl is exiting with a cryptic backtrace and no error message in the logs, what should I do?
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[12-Jun-2007 17:22:27] <giesen> not to mention the CSS seems horribly broken
[12-Jun-2007 17:23:17] <Aziraphale> bout the only complaint I have with that is that I can't scroll the event list
[12-Jun-2007 17:25:18] <J-Bob> giesen...if you do an upgrade, then you have to do a shift+reload to get all the new web updates
[12-Jun-2007 17:27:31] <giesen> do you know what the IE equivalent is?
[12-Jun-2007 17:27:47] <giesen> or is IE support just horribly broken
[12-Jun-2007 17:29:20] <Aziraphale> ugh. just tested that. It is
[12-Jun-2007 17:31:18] <Aziraphale> ah correction
[12-Jun-2007 17:31:50] <Aziraphale> ferkin' security settings. Scrollbar even works in IE, which it doesn't in Firefox
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:05] <scrip> scroll bar works fine for me in firefox
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:09] <giesen> man
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:18] <giesen> posting the system requirements somewhere where you can actually find them
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:21] <Aziraphale> slow as hell in IE though
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:23] <giesen> might be nice :/
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:27] <giesen> Aziraphale: no kidding
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:29] <J-Bob> giesen: hmm...we generally support (fully) FF on either *nix / mac os, but we have been working to get IE working
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:30] <giesen> loading the device list
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:35] <scrip> IE is just.... ew
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:54] <giesen> scrip: unfortunately it's still the browser of choice for 85% of people
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:59] <J-Bob> good point on requirements...I need to check on that
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:17] <giesen> J-Bob: like the new swig that was required
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:22] <giesen> wasn't mentioned ANYWHERE
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:23] <scrip> giesen: ok, 85% use it, but it is not the browser "of choice" for all of them
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:29] <Aziraphale> scroll bar works in FF/Win, not in FF/Debian
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:38] <giesen> scrip: agreed
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:41] <J-Bob> giesen: absolutely...many enterprises don't allow "rogue" =) browsers like FF
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:47] <giesen> yeah
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:54] <giesen> unfortunately I have to support IE users
[12-Jun-2007 17:34:05] <J-Bob> giesen: understood
[12-Jun-2007 17:34:23] <J-Bob> giesen: the swig deal was a yikes I think
[12-Jun-2007 17:35:17] <giesen> yeah it happens
[12-Jun-2007 17:35:21] <giesen> I dont mean to be bitchy
[12-Jun-2007 17:35:37] <giesen> but it just seems I spend many days defending zenoss to my boss
[12-Jun-2007 17:35:44] <giesen> and then it totally blows up when I try to upgrade :/
[12-Jun-2007 17:37:40] <J-Bob> giesen: murphy's law is very strong at times with opensource. I think the DEVs are having more free cycles to answer discuss list questions / issues in the next couple days, plus cluther is at zenoss now. Keep flaming zenoss-users
[12-Jun-2007 17:37:52] <giesen> yeah
[12-Jun-2007 17:38:00] <giesen> Im just a little unhappy with the release QA of late
[12-Jun-2007 17:38:10] <giesen> if this really is supposed to be an enterprise-class product :/
[12-Jun-2007 17:38:28] <giesen> but I'll keep plugging away
[12-Jun-2007 17:38:36] <giesen> the feature set seems to be getting there
[12-Jun-2007 17:39:12] <giesen> J-Bob: is there any specific requirements for libsnmp
[12-Jun-2007 17:39:20] <giesen> since it seems that's currently the source of my problems
[12-Jun-2007 17:39:26] <J-Bob> giesen: glad that's a bright spot. Make sure and send up flares on features that you need for your environment
[12-Jun-2007 17:39:46] <J-Bob> Hmm..I can dig on that.
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:04] <giesen> hehe
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:12] <giesen> #1 feature I need: repeating notifications
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:15] <giesen> =)
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:24] <giesen> it can sorta be worked around
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:27] <giesen> but a hack at best
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:29] <giesen> and doesnt scale
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:40] <J-Bob> giesen: how funny...knew that was coming
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:57] <giesen> yeah
[12-Jun-2007 17:41:00] <Aziraphale> that's somewhat hard to do properly...
[12-Jun-2007 17:41:14] <giesen> well it's also sorta important in an nms
[12-Jun-2007 17:41:27] <giesen> and I've actually had my old company switch away from zenoss because of the lack of it
[12-Jun-2007 17:41:29] <Aziraphale> even $$$$$$ commercial NMSs don't always get that right
[12-Jun-2007 17:41:43] <J-Bob> giesen: are you hitting node limitations? Like specific numbers of nodes?
[12-Jun-2007 17:42:05] <giesen> nah
[12-Jun-2007 17:42:14] <giesen> part of my current problems seem to be the amount of nagios plugins Im using
[12-Jun-2007 17:42:18] <giesen> and the box just cant handle it
[12-Jun-2007 17:42:58] <giesen> if I can get this thing to stabilize
[12-Jun-2007 17:43:06] <giesen> I'm gonna write some sexy asterisk integration
[12-Jun-2007 17:43:09] <giesen> for text to speech paging
[12-Jun-2007 17:43:19] <J-Bob> That would be cool
[12-Jun-2007 17:43:20] <Aziraphale> I've an old bug coming back
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[12-Jun-2007 18:12:16] <scrip> Configure the username and password for zenperfsnmp in the config file:
[12-Jun-2007 18:12:16] <scrip> bash$ vim $ZENHOME/etc/zenperfsnmp.conf
[12-Jun-2007 18:12:27] <scrip> configure it how? what is this the username and password for?
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[12-Jun-2007 18:30:30] <crshman> hello, i just did a fresh install of zenoss on a centos box and when i login as admin the "users" option in the left column doesn't show up.....anyone have any ideas or where i could find out why?
[12-Jun-2007 18:30:40] <crshman> i have already searched the forums, but nothing came up =(
[12-Jun-2007 18:32:35] <_3b> try under settings?
[12-Jun-2007 18:33:18] <crshman> ohhhh i see, wow i'm sorry, the how to guides don't show that.....doh...
[12-Jun-2007 18:38:42] <crshman> is there a "minumum requirements" page on the site somewhere? are there any "minumum requirements" ?
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[12-Jun-2007 19:02:07] <scrip> crshman: requirements depend on how many systems you want to monitor
[12-Jun-2007 19:02:52] <rkagin> Silly question here, but where is events.log?
[12-Jun-2007 19:03:00] <scrip> $ZENHOME/log/
[12-Jun-2007 19:03:10] <scrip> probably /usr/local/zenoss/log
[12-Jun-2007 19:03:48] <rkagin> I just checked out the zenoss-2.0.0 from the wiki, and I'm looking in that folder, and don't see the "log" directory.
[12-Jun-2007 19:04:32] <rkagin> Am I missing something here?
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[12-Jun-2007 19:11:18] <[Utah]tristanbob> I'm starting up the zenoss 2.0 vmware imagae
[12-Jun-2007 19:20:28] <scrip> good luck!
[12-Jun-2007 19:21:18] <scrip> remember to disable the x86_compat backport libraries, or it will corrupt your windows install
[12-Jun-2007 19:21:21] <scrip>
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[12-Jun-2007 21:24:24] <hspcd> anybody here?
[12-Jun-2007 21:24:30] <hspcd> urr, any developers here?
[12-Jun-2007 21:33:44] <hspcd> where's the love?
[12-Jun-2007 21:44:26] <Snake-Eyes> no love for j00
[12-Jun-2007 21:48:37] <Snake-Eyes> whats your problem ? (not a developer)
[12-Jun-2007 22:16:29] <hspcd> Snake-Eyes: I think I figured it out. I'm running Zenoss 2 on CentOS 4.5 which has python2.3.4 installed. I looked at the Zenoss requirements once more and it says that python2.3.5 is needed. I think that this is why I get the issue listed here: http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2245
[12-Jun-2007 22:16:29] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Daemons not starting - iteration over non-sequence (at community.zenoss.com)
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[12-Jun-2007 22:30:51] <Snake-Eyes> ah
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[13-Jun-2007 07:09:15] <iuso> hi, i'm getting an error during zenoss upgrade from 1.1.2 to 2.0.0
[13-Jun-2007 07:09:57] <iuso> WARNING:OFS.Application:Duplicate Product name
[13-Jun-2007 07:10:04] <iuso> After loading Product 'Five' from '/usr/local/zenoss/Products',
[13-Jun-2007 07:10:10] <iuso> I skipped the one in '/usr/local/zenoss/lib/python/Products'.
[13-Jun-2007 07:10:40] <iuso> ... well looks more like a warning than an error. i'll see if the upgrade proceeds OK from here
[13-Jun-2007 07:21:31] <iuso> didn't work. there are no devices in the device list
[13-Jun-2007 07:23:17] <iuso> _everything_ is empty!
[13-Jun-2007 07:23:29] <iuso> was 2.0.0 designed for upgrading at all=?
[13-Jun-2007 07:33:12] <iuso> i can see that the latest version is way too raw for enterprise use
[13-Jun-2007 07:33:39] <iuso> even the graphics wouldn't display properly
[13-Jun-2007 07:33:47] <iuso> moving back to 1.1.2 right this instant
[13-Jun-2007 07:34:45] <iuso> since zenoss doesn't really seem to even have a community, unless you want to call a bunch of bug-bitten end users that idle on an empty irc channel a "community"
[13-Jun-2007 07:35:51] <iuso> if the enterprise version is nothing more than the same zenoss with added support, then boy your helpdesk must be jammed with requests
[13-Jun-2007 07:36:15] <_zack> iuso: calm down, I don't think rants like these will help
[13-Jun-2007 07:36:53] <Aziraphale> time better spent R-ing TFM...
[13-Jun-2007 07:38:25] <iuso> you're absolutely right, it doesn't do much good other than let some steam out. but this isn't the first time i've noticed that problems are seldom answered to here or in the forums
[13-Jun-2007 07:38:43] <iuso> the only doc i can find is the standard upgrade howto, which i followed to the point
[13-Jun-2007 07:38:52] <iuso> and the forums echo of emptiness as usual
[13-Jun-2007 07:38:53] <_zack> maybe, but on the contrary tickets reported in the ticket tracker are answered incredibly fast
[13-Jun-2007 07:39:02] <iuso> hmm, thanks for the tip
[13-Jun-2007 07:39:08] <_zack> have you tried there? maybe checking before if a similar problem has already been reported of course....
[13-Jun-2007 07:39:54] <iuso> right now i just need to get the old version back running, we can't have a long break with the monitoring. but i'll check the tracker out, thanks agian
[13-Jun-2007 07:39:55] <Aziraphale> there is a 2.0 specific upgrade one.
[13-Jun-2007 07:40:19] <Aziraphale> have to export your db to xml or somesuch
[13-Jun-2007 07:44:04] <iuso> yeah, the INSTALL file shipped with 2.0.0 tells that
[13-Jun-2007 07:44:36] <iuso> i'm assuming that one of the steps listed in that doc _is_ the exporting and importing routine
[13-Jun-2007 07:44:48] <iuso> and unless not, well that's a bad flaw in the doc in that case
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[13-Jun-2007 07:45:11] <J-Bob> iuso: sorry you are struggling with the upgrade. This may seem obvious, but the upgrade instructions are VERY literal..not pretty..but seems to work consistently
[13-Jun-2007 07:45:39] <Aziraphale> check against this: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/trunk/inst/ZEN2UPGRADE.txt?format=txt
[13-Jun-2007 07:45:53] <iuso> J-Bob: yeah, i followed them as closely as i could
[13-Jun-2007 07:48:10] <iuso> Aziraphale: exactly the same url that i followed the doc from, i only noticed afterwards that the same file is included as INSTALL with the tarball
[13-Jun-2007 07:48:37] <Aziraphale> hmm
[13-Jun-2007 07:49:50] <iuso> uhm, i suppose i need to reload the zenoss mysql database after reinstating 1.1.2?
[13-Jun-2007 07:49:59] <iuso> i've a dump of the database
[13-Jun-2007 07:50:37] <iuso> nevermind that, the data seems to be in place
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[13-Jun-2007 07:50:40] <Aziraphale> you need the events and history?
[13-Jun-2007 07:50:46] <iuso> Aziraphale: not really no
[13-Jun-2007 07:51:04] <Aziraphale> that's all that's in mysql
[13-Jun-2007 07:51:32] <iuso> i'll have to give one compliment to balance the crap i sometimes spew out of my mouth: having the whole of zenoss in one directory makes reverting to the previous version a breeze
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[13-Jun-2007 07:53:20] <iuso> but... a huge load of various errors and warnings
[13-Jun-2007 07:53:47] <iuso> all flowing to my phone
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[13-Jun-2007 09:27:54] <giesen> iuso: I feel your pain :/
[13-Jun-2007 09:28:06] <giesen> the 1.1.2 > 2.0 upgrade = disaster
[13-Jun-2007 09:31:13] <hspcd> Ok, so I've been working on my Zenoss 2 install/config for a couple of days now. I'm running on CentOS 4.4 and get an error when I try to start several of the processes. Are there any developers here that can lend a hand? I've posted the error on the Zenoss forums at this location: http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2245&highlight=zenprocess
[13-Jun-2007 09:31:13] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Daemons not starting - iteration over non-sequence (at community.zenoss.com)
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[13-Jun-2007 09:48:30] <hspcd> Ground Control to Major Tom... Are there any Zenoss support or dev guys in this room?
[13-Jun-2007 09:49:07] <Bulwinkle> hardly ever, whats up?
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[13-Jun-2007 09:52:24] <creiht> hspcd: Hopefully one of us might be able to help
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[13-Jun-2007 09:53:06] <hspcd> I hope so, I'm really interested in testing Zenoss against our install of OpenNMS. I'm just stuck at the moment with these three daemons that will not start...
[13-Jun-2007 09:53:32] <creiht> hspcd: The first thing you will probably want to do is check the logs for the daemons
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[13-Jun-2007 09:53:39] <creiht> They can be found in
[13-Jun-2007 09:53:43] <creiht> $ZENHOME/log
[13-Jun-2007 09:53:58] <hspcd> I've actually posted the output of the logs in that forum post I linked to earlier...
[13-Jun-2007 09:54:24] <hspcd> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2245&highlight=zenprocess
[13-Jun-2007 09:54:24] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Daemons not starting - iteration over non-sequence (at community.zenoss.com)
[13-Jun-2007 09:54:32] <hspcd> keep getting an iteration over non-sequence (python error?) message in the logs
[13-Jun-2007 09:54:49] <creiht> hspcd: Interesting... which version is this one?
[13-Jun-2007 09:54:50] <creiht> er on?
[13-Jun-2007 09:55:34] <hspcd> Version of Zenoss is 2.0.0-0, Linux is CentOS 4.4, Python is 2.3.5
[13-Jun-2007 09:55:35] <hspcd> [root@rdumon1 ~]# python
[13-Jun-2007 09:55:35] <hspcd> Python 2.3.5 (#1, Jun 13 2007, 07:29:40)
[13-Jun-2007 09:55:35] <hspcd> [GCC 3.4.6 20060404 (Red Hat 3.4.6-8)] on linux2
[13-Jun-2007 09:55:35] <hspcd> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
[13-Jun-2007 09:55:35] <hspcd> >>>
[13-Jun-2007 09:55:55] <creiht> I haven't used Zenoss v2.0 yet
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:12] <giesen> you may wanna hold off for a couple releases
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:16] <creiht> hehe
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:20] <creiht> I usually do
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:30] <giesen> yeah I was an idiot and jumped right into it
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:35] <creiht> hehe
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:36] <hspcd> yes, but I want the newest and latest features
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:44] <giesen> hspcd: that was my excuse
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:44] <creiht> I made that mistake a while back as well
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:45] <creiht> hehe
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:47] <giesen> and now Im paying for it
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:53] <hspcd> bummer
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:05] <creiht> They usually respond pretty quickly with updates though
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:09] <hspcd> the vmware virt appliance seems to run fine, so why not our installs or upgrades?
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:20] <giesen> cause the install is the most brittle part
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:20] <creiht> hspcd: Do you know which snmp libs you are using?
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:25] <giesen> with the most variables
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:38] <hspcd> naw, how do I tell?
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:47] <creiht> ok then you are using the default
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:53] <hspcd> heh
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:57] <creiht> I know they changed the snmp stuff
[13-Jun-2007 09:58:15] <hspcd> seems like this is a python script execution error to me, no?
[13-Jun-2007 09:58:32] <creiht> I wish I could help you more... hopefully someone will respond soon to your forum post
[13-Jun-2007 09:58:41] <hspcd> at first I was thinking that it was due to me running python2.3.4 but I upgraded to 2.3.5 and still get the errors
[13-Jun-2007 09:58:49] <creiht> Well without seeing the code, it looks like the snmp stuff isn't returning the right data
[13-Jun-2007 09:59:07] <hspcd> based on my forum post?
[13-Jun-2007 09:59:11] <creiht> yeah
[13-Jun-2007 09:59:22] <hspcd> hmmm
[13-Jun-2007 09:59:22] <creiht> it's hard to say though
[13-Jun-2007 09:59:35] <creiht> let me look at something
[13-Jun-2007 09:59:35] <hspcd> do the devs/support crew monitor the forums at all?
[13-Jun-2007 09:59:41] <creiht> They usually do
[13-Jun-2007 10:01:05] <hspcd> creiht: did you look at something?
[13-Jun-2007 10:01:29] <creiht> I'm looking at the file where you had the error
[13-Jun-2007 10:01:33] <creiht> to see if anything stands out
[13-Jun-2007 10:01:55] <hspcd> I'm an impatient knob, I know. Thanks for helping
[13-Jun-2007 10:03:21] <cluther_> hspcd: Do you have a $ZENHOME/etc/hubpasswd file?
[13-Jun-2007 10:03:34] <cluther_> hspcd: It should normall contain one line that reads "admin:zenoss"
[13-Jun-2007 10:03:57] <cluther_> hspcd: Those errors you posted are typically caused when the daemons can't authenticate to zenhub.
[13-Jun-2007 10:04:13] <hspcd> yep
[13-Jun-2007 10:06:00] <cluther_> Is this a clean install of 2.0 or an upgrade?
[13-Jun-2007 10:07:15] <creiht> cluther_: Looking at the code, it doesn't look like it is doing any type of auth at that point
[13-Jun-2007 10:07:27] <creiht> The traceback happens after a poll happens
[13-Jun-2007 10:07:36] <creiht> and it is trying to update the data
[13-Jun-2007 10:07:50] <creiht> It is expecting a list of information back from the poll
[13-Jun-2007 10:07:58] <cluther_> creiht: Yup.. you're right
[13-Jun-2007 10:08:08] <creiht> but for some reason is not getting the data correctly
[13-Jun-2007 10:08:24] <cluther_> hspcd: Do you have any devices in Zenoss at all? Maybe the initial localhost device didn't get added in.
[13-Jun-2007 10:09:01] <hspcd> lemme check
[13-Jun-2007 10:09:42] <hspcd> there are NO devices, not even localhost
[13-Jun-2007 10:10:45] * giesen attempts reinstalling snmp from ports to see if he missed some option for SSL
[13-Jun-2007 10:17:13] <cluther_> hspcd: After you add a device, those daemons should start. I think that's the problem.
[13-Jun-2007 10:17:42] <cluther_> cluther_: Normally the installer will add localhost automatically to avoid this problem. I'm guessing that your localhost wasn't properly configured to be modeled via SNMP, so the addition failed.
[13-Jun-2007 10:21:23] <hspcd> cluther_: it's all horked up ... http://rafb.net/p/qIYawS42.html
[13-Jun-2007 10:21:23] <adytum-bot> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)
[13-Jun-2007 10:27:17] <monrad> anyone seen segmentation faults with zenmodeler?
[13-Jun-2007 10:27:22] <monrad> with 2.0
[13-Jun-2007 10:28:39] <hspcd> cluther_: any thoughts on what I should do from here?
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[13-Jun-2007 11:03:41] <cluther_> hspcd: Your install doesn't look like it was successful. That last error means that the MySQL database tables weren't even created. What install method did you use?
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[13-Jun-2007 11:06:10] <hspcd> cluther_: used the rpm install method
[13-Jun-2007 11:06:44] <cluther_> cluther_: Install (-I) or upgrade (-U) ?
[13-Jun-2007 11:06:49] <hspcd> yeah, just re-installed and it doesn't look like the db is getting created
[13-Jun-2007 11:06:52] <hspcd> -U
[13-Jun-2007 11:07:09] <cluther_> You need to do an install to create the database. Upgrade assumes that the database already exists.
[13-Jun-2007 11:07:30] <giesen> probably a problem with mysql permissions
[13-Jun-2007 11:07:39] <giesen> zenoss seems to lose the password every time I upgrade
[13-Jun-2007 11:08:10] <giesen> so I can only imagine the devs probably dont password protect their zenoss user on their mysql db
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[13-Jun-2007 11:16:14] <hspcd> cluther_: just ran through the install again with rpm -i zenoss....rpm and the mysql databases are still not created.
[13-Jun-2007 11:16:37] <cluther_> They'll be created once your start zenoss with "service zenoss start" as root.
[13-Jun-2007 11:17:32] <cluther_> When the RPM is installed rather then upgraded it created a file in $ZENHOME called something like .freshinstall. The startup script does the database initialization only if this file exists.
[13-Jun-2007 11:18:44] <giesen> cluther_: I dont think that works if a root password exists on mysql
[13-Jun-2007 11:19:03] <giesen> hrm
[13-Jun-2007 11:19:10] * giesen is getting pissed now :/
[13-Jun-2007 11:19:37] <hspcd> already ran the service as root but don't see the db created and I get a mysql error when trying to add localhost again
[13-Jun-2007 11:19:37] <cluther_> giesen: You're right.
[13-Jun-2007 11:19:52] <hspcd> no passwd exists for root
[13-Jun-2007 11:20:13] <giesen> cluther_: which speaks to my point =)
[13-Jun-2007 11:21:08] <hspcd> is there an import script that I can run to create the databases/tables?
[13-Jun-2007 11:24:36] <cluther_> hspcd: $ZENHOME/Products/ZenEvents/db/*.sql
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[13-Jun-2007 11:27:03] <hspcd> cluther_: thanks, I'll work on it some more and see what happens. Thanks a lot for your help with this.
[13-Jun-2007 11:27:46] <cluther_> hspcd: Good luck. Sorry for the short responses.. there's a lot going on with the new 2.0 launch.
[13-Jun-2007 11:29:43] <giesen> cluther_: you have any ideas on how I might correct my problem? =)
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[13-Jun-2007 11:31:46] <hspcd> cluther_: No worries and thanks. I can't wait to see how Zenoss 2 stacks up against our OpenNMS platform.
[13-Jun-2007 11:37:54] <cluther_> giesen: I don't think I was on here early enough to see what your problem was.
[13-Jun-2007 11:41:13] <giesen> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/1664#comment:1
[13-Jun-2007 11:41:13] <adytum-bot> Title: #1664 (Zenoss 2.0 wont start on FreeBSD 6.1) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[13-Jun-2007 11:41:50] <Aziraphale> giesen: read the FreeBSD 6.2 install doc, there's a workaround for that in the last paragraph
[13-Jun-2007 11:43:08] <Aziraphale> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/browser/trunk/inst/docs/INSTALL_FreeBSD62.txt?rev=5668
[13-Jun-2007 11:43:08] <adytum-bot> Title: /trunk/inst/docs/INSTALL_FreeBSD62.txt - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[13-Jun-2007 11:43:31] <giesen> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/install-guides/install-on-freebsd-6.2-1/
[13-Jun-2007 11:43:31] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[13-Jun-2007 11:43:31] <giesen> ah, I was looking at that
[13-Jun-2007 11:44:56] <giesen> at least Im know Im not going crazy
[13-Jun-2007 11:46:41] <giesen> woo
[13-Jun-2007 11:46:44] <giesen> Aziraphale: you're my hero.
[13-Jun-2007 11:47:18] <giesen> now I can go back to bitching about the lack of repeating notifications =)
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[13-Jun-2007 11:53:09] <thefoo> is there a common fix to the dashboard web page being obviously broken on 1st install?
[13-Jun-2007 11:53:23] <thefoo> none of the css or js files can be found
[13-Jun-2007 11:54:14] <thefoo> when you take the url to one and paste it into the browser, it forwards you to a login page
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[13-Jun-2007 12:01:27] <giesen> thefoo: shift-reload works on firefox
[13-Jun-2007 12:01:34] <giesen> I think IE is just horribly broken
[13-Jun-2007 12:02:05] <Aziraphale> reminds me, must file the ticket about the scroll bar in FF/*ix
[13-Jun-2007 12:02:09] <thefoo> that doesn't fix it
[13-Jun-2007 12:02:36] <thefoo> I'm using firefox, and have cleared the cache, restarted zenoss, restarted firefox, etc
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[13-Jun-2007 12:02:55] <thefoo> after the links, it says "Site error"
[13-Jun-2007 12:03:17] <thefoo> so I'm guessing something is broken in 2.0.0 for fresh installs
[13-Jun-2007 12:03:31] <thefoo> "The requested resource does not exist"
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[13-Jun-2007 12:03:45] <thefoo> I also was not asked for my username/password
[13-Jun-2007 12:10:22] <thefoo> where does the zope installation hold its logs?
[13-Jun-2007 12:11:14] <creiht> thefoo: $ZENHOME/log/Z2.log
[13-Jun-2007 12:11:29] <thefoo> right
[13-Jun-2007 12:11:36] <thefoo> well that's got a ton of 404s in it
[13-Jun-2007 12:11:56] <thefoo> as suspected, the .gif and .js files cannot be found
[13-Jun-2007 12:12:02] <thefoo> and .css
[13-Jun-2007 12:12:46] <thefoo> any suggestion?
[13-Jun-2007 12:12:55] <thefoo> wipe the db and reinstall completely?
[13-Jun-2007 12:13:57] <creiht> That is odd... not sure
[13-Jun-2007 12:14:14] <creiht> Was this an upgrade or new install?
[13-Jun-2007 12:14:20] <thefoo> new
[13-Jun-2007 12:14:35] <thefoo> I tried using apache as a proxy first, and had these problems
[13-Jun-2007 12:14:48] <thefoo> so I went straight to :8080 and it's happening still
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[13-Jun-2007 12:23:34] <thefoo> right
[13-Jun-2007 12:23:39] <thefoo> reinstalled and it works now
[13-Jun-2007 12:23:54] <creiht> cool
[13-Jun-2007 12:24:07] <J-Bob> sweet
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[13-Jun-2007 12:25:18] <thefoo> right, time for this tomorrow
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[13-Jun-2007 12:32:53] <Dislo> hey guys i need some help with getting some parts of zenoss installed
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[13-Jun-2007 12:36:31] <Dislo> i am having trouble getting zenmodeler zenprefsnmp and zenprocess to turn on
[13-Jun-2007 12:55:58] <Dislo> hey is there an idiots guide to zenoss out there somewhere
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[13-Jun-2007 13:12:05] <J-Bob> Dislo: are you getting any errors on startup?
[13-Jun-2007 13:13:17] <Dislo> J-Bob, yeah when i run /usr/local/zenoss/bin/zenoss start
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[13-Jun-2007 13:21:00] <litein> how can i export my data from zenoss vm appl 1.1.1 to zenoss vm appl 2.0
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[13-Jun-2007 13:23:37] <scrip> zenoss appears to load a device, but gives me this error:
[13-Jun-2007 13:23:38] <scrip> database conflict error (oid 0x6c3d, class Products.ZenModel.Device.Device)
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[13-Jun-2007 13:30:47] <BigHeadJeff> anyone else having problems with the PDF files on the ZenOSS website? for instance, http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/ZenossAdminGuide2-0.pdf
[13-Jun-2007 13:30:47] <litein> yes I am
[13-Jun-2007 13:30:50] <BigHeadJeff> I keep getting corruption errors
[13-Jun-2007 13:30:57] <J-Bob> Dislo: What is the error or errors?
[13-Jun-2007 13:35:08] <Dislo> J-Bob, let me pull up a teminal on this machine real quick
[13-Jun-2007 13:36:47] <Dislo> hey which pastebin do you want me to use
[13-Jun-2007 13:39:14] <scrip> zope keeps giving me database errors, where is information on how to fix this?
[13-Jun-2007 13:39:26] <scrip> database conflict error?
[13-Jun-2007 13:39:31] <scrip> what does that mean?
[13-Jun-2007 13:39:53] <Aziraphale> so, if I have created a ZenPack with a specialist template added, can that now be published to another Zenoss installation?
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[13-Jun-2007 13:45:26] <Ray_Haque> Hello everyone.
[13-Jun-2007 13:45:47] <Ray_Haque> I have what may be a stupid question about configuring Zenoss. Feel free to stone me.
[13-Jun-2007 13:46:19] <Ray_Haque> What might I do to enable me to see what IP address a connected host is holding, on a Cisco switch?
[13-Jun-2007 13:46:46] <Aziraphale> on a L2 switch, nothing
[13-Jun-2007 13:46:55] <Ray_Haque> Its a modern L2/L3 switch, which does retain the MAC and IP in a table ... and it's attainable by SNMP.
[13-Jun-2007 13:47:23] <Ray_Haque> One of our guys here is using some BEAT Solarwinds tool which shows it.
[13-Jun-2007 13:47:29] <Ray_Haque> *BETA
[13-Jun-2007 13:47:43] <Aziraphale> hmm, would need a plugin to collect the ARP table
[13-Jun-2007 13:47:58] <Aziraphale> not much point though, as it changes constantly
[13-Jun-2007 13:47:59] <J-Bob> Dislo: sorry...had to step away. any pastebin is fine...
[13-Jun-2007 13:48:36] <Ray_Haque> A plugin eh? Hrm.
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[13-Jun-2007 13:50:57] <giesen> Aziraphale: did you ever find a resolutin for the pingto 0 issue
[13-Jun-2007 13:51:05] <J-Bob> Ray_Hague: Zenoss does not collect that info natively (you already figured that out...), but it is being looked at. That is a SolarWindows nicety that we would like to have in Zenoss. It is a very useful piece of info
[13-Jun-2007 13:51:08] <giesen> I'm encountering it now too
[13-Jun-2007 13:51:31] <Ray_Haque> J-Bob : No doubt! :-) Thanks for the heads up.
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[13-Jun-2007 13:52:10] <Aziraphale> J-Bob: you could use it for modeling, but does it serve a purpose to collect that on every zenperfsnmp run?
[13-Jun-2007 13:52:52] <Aziraphale> considering an ARP table could run to five figures of entries
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[13-Jun-2007 13:54:23] <giesen> maybe he's just looking for an entry count?
[13-Jun-2007 13:54:41] <giesen> I'd love a bgp prefix count
[13-Jun-2007 13:54:46] <Aziraphale> not what I understand, but that'd be easy
[13-Jun-2007 13:54:58] <giesen> well yeah
[13-Jun-2007 13:54:58] <Aziraphale> giesen: I'm doing that on my Junipers
[13-Jun-2007 13:55:01] <giesen> yeah
[13-Jun-2007 13:55:13] <giesen> unforunately my ciscos dont support it :/
[13-Jun-2007 13:55:21] <giesen> I have to use a nagios plugin/expect script
[13-Jun-2007 13:55:24] <giesen> it's ugly as hell.
[13-Jun-2007 13:56:30] <Aziraphale> ipCidrRouteNumber if you don't mind getting the internal prefixes too
[13-Jun-2007 13:56:47] <scrip> alright, can anyone here help me figure out why zenoss 2.0 isn't working or do I just need to downgrade?
[13-Jun-2007 13:57:33] <scrip> is the zenoss 1 branch going to be maintained at all?
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[13-Jun-2007 13:59:49] <giesen> Aziraphale: I like to do it on a per-peer basis
[13-Jun-2007 14:00:02] <giesen> that way if Im not getting any prefixes
[13-Jun-2007 14:00:06] <giesen> or a low amount
[13-Jun-2007 14:00:09] <giesen> something's wrong with that peer
[13-Jun-2007 14:00:46] <Aziraphale> giesen: Hmmmm
[13-Jun-2007 14:00:50] <Aziraphale> plugin
[13-Jun-2007 14:01:13] <Aziraphale> could be done
[13-Jun-2007 14:02:20] <giesen> well I know if you have the right IOS
[13-Jun-2007 14:02:22] <Aziraphale> how many peers do you have?
[13-Jun-2007 14:02:57] <Aziraphale> any BGP device should export the BGP4-MIB
[13-Jun-2007 14:04:33] <giesen> dunno
[13-Jun-2007 14:04:34] <giesen> 50 or so
[13-Jun-2007 14:04:38] <giesen> maybe a few more
[13-Jun-2007 14:04:51] <Aziraphale> ah, no point in doing it manually then
[13-Jun-2007 14:04:55] <giesen> yeah
[13-Jun-2007 14:05:00] <giesen> I actually did do it manually
[13-Jun-2007 14:05:02] <giesen> but it was a pain
[13-Jun-2007 14:05:10] <Aziraphale> ugh
[13-Jun-2007 14:05:16] <giesen> so it's be kinda nice if zenoss could discover it
[13-Jun-2007 14:05:17] <Aziraphale> wouldn't have the patience
[13-Jun-2007 14:05:56] <giesen> my version of IOS will export the routes
[13-Jun-2007 14:06:01] <giesen> just not an actual count of prefixes
[13-Jun-2007 14:06:14] <Aziraphale> hmm, the way I read the mib there is a bgpPeer and a bgpPathAttr table
[13-Jun-2007 14:06:35] <Aziraphale> not necessarily linked
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[13-Jun-2007 14:07:42] <Aziraphale> I see. the mib just doesn't give it
[13-Jun-2007 14:09:05] <Aziraphale> I don't think trying to collect the bgp4PathAttrTable is a good idea
[13-Jun-2007 14:09:22] <Aziraphale> even in my case that's 400,000 rows
[13-Jun-2007 14:09:38] <Aziraphale> 440,000 even
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[13-Jun-2007 14:18:00] <giesen> yeah
[13-Jun-2007 14:18:05] <giesen> there's supposedly a mib
[13-Jun-2007 14:18:16] <giesen> that just gives you a total of the prefixes received for each peer
[13-Jun-2007 14:18:35] <giesen> rather than having to walk the treet and count the rows
[13-Jun-2007 14:18:41] <giesen> *tree
[13-Jun-2007 14:18:56] <Aziraphale> hmm, that I'd be interested in...
[13-Jun-2007 14:19:23] <giesen> and cisco supports it on later IOS revisions
[13-Jun-2007 14:19:35] <giesen> unfortunately the code on my routers is like 1 revision too early
[13-Jun-2007 14:20:48] <Aziraphale> I see. BGP-MIBv2
[13-Jun-2007 14:21:03] <Aziraphale> which I have for the junis but it's empty
[13-Jun-2007 14:21:08] <scrip> haz zenoss 2.0 worked smoothly for anyone here? I'm getting all kinds of problems running it. Ajax interface doesn't work (under Firefox) and the zope backend keeps giving me weird database issues
[13-Jun-2007 14:22:23] <monrad> the only problems i had with 2.0 is zenmodeler giving me segmentation faults and a few database issues
[13-Jun-2007 14:23:10] <giesen> scrip: Firefox under windows or *nix
[13-Jun-2007 14:23:24] <giesen> I think Zenoss 2.0 is finally working for me
[13-Jun-2007 14:23:27] <giesen> other than one small bug
[13-Jun-2007 14:23:49] <giesen> and the total lack of a usable interface under IE
[13-Jun-2007 14:24:52] <scrip> firefox under nix
[13-Jun-2007 14:25:32] <giesen> I think there's problems under nix
[13-Jun-2007 14:25:34] <giesen> and tickets open
[13-Jun-2007 14:25:40] <giesen> under windows it seems to be fine
[13-Jun-2007 14:25:53] <Dislo> J-Bob, hey sorry about that i am working on getting some front end stuff working for zenoss. are you still out there?
[13-Jun-2007 14:27:22] <Dislo> J-Bob, if you are here are the errors i am getting
[13-Jun-2007 14:27:36] <Dislo> J-Bob, http://pastebin.ca/564744
[13-Jun-2007 14:27:36] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Dislo - post number 564744 (at pastebin.ca)
[13-Jun-2007 14:29:48] <scrip> so... why was 2.0 released then?
[13-Jun-2007 14:30:05] <scrip> it still seems REALLY unstable compared to the 1.2 branch
[13-Jun-2007 14:30:10] <scrip> will 1.2 be maintained at all?
[13-Jun-2007 14:34:36] <J-Bob> Dislo: I took a look and got other eyes on your errors. What version are you trying to run?
[13-Jun-2007 14:36:08] <J-Bob> Dislo: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/1624
[13-Jun-2007 14:36:08] <adytum-bot> Title: #1624 (pynetsnmp error in FreeBSD) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[13-Jun-2007 14:39:21] <Dislo> J-Bob, i am using version 2.0.0 on a gentoo install
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[13-Jun-2007 15:02:47] <litein> how can i export my data from zenoss vm appl 1.1.1 to zenoss vm appl 2.0
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[13-Jun-2007 15:33:50] <WirelessWAN> is there documentation on upgrading from 1.97 beta to 2.00 release? I looked and all the migration documents seem to only apply to 1.1.x?
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[13-Jun-2007 15:38:24] <NolanG> Hi all
[13-Jun-2007 15:39:25] <J-Bob> NolanG: Greetings =)
[13-Jun-2007 15:40:20] <NolanG> I'm wondering if someone could give me a little info - I've got ZenOSS 2.0, and whenever I try to model any box at all, I get messages that say: no cmd plugins found for (boxname), no snmp plugins found for (boxname), no portscan plugins found for (boxname). The scantime usually takes about 0.01 seconds, making me think something is not working right.
[13-Jun-2007 15:40:35] <NolanG> Obviously I am new to ZenOSS, still trying to figure this all out
[13-Jun-2007 15:42:33] <WirelessWAN> I guess what I'm asking is: Is it safe to run appliance_update.sh to upgrade to go from 1.97 beta to 2.00 release?
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[13-Jun-2007 15:43:27] <J-Bob> NolanG: dumb question..can you snmpwalk from the Zenoss server to the device to be discovered?
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[13-Jun-2007 15:43:53] <NolanG> I could earlier, let me double check
[13-Jun-2007 15:44:06] <WirelessWAN> I'd like to keep the SNMP data for the last month if possible
[13-Jun-2007 15:44:08] <NolanG> J-Bob: Yes, snmp walk works fine
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[13-Jun-2007 15:46:51] <J-Bob> NolanG: if you got to the device page for the device and click on the down arrow, then select More-->zProperties, is the correct read community name in the field called: zSnmpCommunity
[13-Jun-2007 15:48:13] <NolanG> Yep, and that's the same snmp community string that snmpwalk is using - I'm using snmpwalk through the ZenOSS menu, so I am sure that that is pulling the string from the zProperties settings
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[13-Jun-2007 15:49:54] <Aziraphale> anyone know about the structure how a mib is stored in the database?
[13-Jun-2007 15:51:28] <Aziraphale> I've a mib that zenmib can't import for some reason
[13-Jun-2007 15:53:26] <J-Bob> NolanG: have you moved your device to a different class...appropriate to the type of device?
[13-Jun-2007 15:53:43] <J-Bob> NolanG: then try to model it?
[13-Jun-2007 15:53:46] <NolanG> J-Bob: This may be related - the zenstatus daemon won't run. It gives me this error in the log: ERROR zen.ZenStatus: iteration over non-sequence
[13-Jun-2007 15:53:53] <NolanG> J-Bob: Nope, let me try that
[13-Jun-2007 15:55:04] <NolanG> J-Bob: Maybe I need to set up some different classes. All I have for classes are / and /Discovered
[13-Jun-2007 15:55:45] <J-Bob> There should be some default classes like Network and Server
[13-Jun-2007 15:56:30] <J-Bob> click on classes-->devices from the dashboard
[13-Jun-2007 15:57:18] <NolanG> This is a 2.0 install from RPM on a CentOS 4 box... I am pretty sure I didn't delete any default classes of any kind
[13-Jun-2007 15:58:15] <NolanG> should I try uninstalling the RPM and reinstalling it to see if those classes get recreated?
[13-Jun-2007 15:59:36] <J-Bob> I am checking my 2.0 VM to see what is there....
[13-Jun-2007 15:59:49] <NolanG> ok, thanks
[13-Jun-2007 16:02:35] <J-Bob> NolanG: my 2.0 VM, which I haven't touched except for reference has 7 default device classes
[13-Jun-2007 16:02:53] <NolanG> ok, let me just try starting over
[13-Jun-2007 16:02:59] <NolanG> maybe I screwed something up and didn't know it
[13-Jun-2007 16:03:18] <J-Bob> If I click on devices under the classes heading, I get a page that lists them
[13-Jun-2007 16:03:48] <NolanG> On mine, there wasn't anything there (that I can remember) until I tried auto-discovery, then a "Discovered" class appeared
[13-Jun-2007 16:04:07] <J-Bob> Bizarre...
[13-Jun-2007 16:04:36] <NolanG> But who knows, I ran into zope database corruption on my first install as well, so that could have affected this whole thing
[13-Jun-2007 16:05:46] <Aziraphale> gack
[13-Jun-2007 16:06:42] <Aziraphale> if I do smidump -fpython -p mib-jnx-smi.txt mib-jnx-exp.txt mib-jnx-ipv4.txt
[13-Jun-2007 16:06:57] <Aziraphale> I get a valid dump
[13-Jun-2007 16:07:13] <Aziraphale> if I do the same out of zenmib, I get a segfault?
[13-Jun-2007 16:07:19] <J-Bob> NolanG: Wow..might be. I hate partial functionality...tricks you into thinking everything is okay when it is not
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[13-Jun-2007 16:17:04] <J-Bob> Aziraphale: have you looked at this contrib from the community >> http://www.webaj.com/how-setup-environmental-monitor-zenoss-1-1-2-and-centos-5-0.htm
[13-Jun-2007 16:17:04] <adytum-bot> Title: How to setup a environmental monitor in Zenoss 1.1.2 and Centos 5.0 | webAJ.com (at www.webaj.com)
[13-Jun-2007 16:17:18] <J-Bob> \alias J-BobAFK
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[13-Jun-2007 16:19:08] <Aziraphale> Wohooo
[13-Jun-2007 16:19:14] <Aziraphale> I fixed zenmib
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[13-Jun-2007 16:20:31] <J-BobAFK> Aziraphale: w00t \o/
[13-Jun-2007 16:20:50] <Aziraphale> J-BobAFK: little switch - big effect
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[13-Jun-2007 16:44:24] <NolanG> J-Bob: Removing the RPM, deleting the /opt/zenoss directory, and dropping the "events" table from the MySQL db fixed the problem - I can now see all the classes again.
[13-Jun-2007 16:44:35] <NolanG> Also, I think I found a bug in the initial install script...
[13-Jun-2007 16:50:32] <NolanG> It appears that after the install of the RPM, ZenOSS isn't fully initialized. When you run service zenoss start, that starts ZenOSS, and the init script checks to see if ZenOSS needs to be setup. At the end of the script, it does some stuff where it connects to the locally running zope server. The problem is that if you run service zenoss status, it still tries to initialize zenoss, but it ever starts ZenOSS, so those final steps
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[13-Jun-2007 17:12:20] <scrip> I have a couple questions about the INSTALL.txt included with zenoss 1.2.2
[13-Jun-2007 17:12:39] <scrip> it says to configure zenperfsnmp.conf with the username and password
[13-Jun-2007 17:13:31] <scrip> username and password to what? the mysql database? it shouldn't need a username and password to write the RRD files or ZEODB objects should it?
[13-Jun-2007 17:13:58] <scrip> also, it says to start zenping as root
[13-Jun-2007 17:14:12] <scrip> I can do that, but does that need to happen every time I start zenping?
[13-Jun-2007 17:18:28] <rkagin> I have a quick question if anyone can answer it - I'm fairly sure that ZenOSS can discover routers not configured for SNMP. However, looking through zendisc.py, it seems that it only discovers through SNMP or throws an exception. How does ZenOSS discover without SNMP? Is it in another file or am I missing something?
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[13-Jun-2007 17:30:16] <NolanG> So zenoss 2.0 by default pings to find a target, then uses SNMP to try to get more information about that host. How can I configure it to use WMI as well?
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[13-Jun-2007 18:27:14] <WirelessWAN> scrip, I think when the talk about the username and password for zenperfsnmp they mean the community string for SNMP V1 and V2 or the username and the password for V3
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[13-Jun-2007 18:29:56] <scrip> wirelesswan: but isn't that all set in the zProperties?
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[13-Jun-2007 18:56:20] <scrip> does the class of a device (/Network/Router, /Server/Linux etc) effect anything besides whech zproperties and perfconf are used/inherited?
[13-Jun-2007 18:56:46] <scrip> I created my own class, /VoIP/gateway, to track some devices and set all the zproperties to appropriate values
[13-Jun-2007 18:57:36] <scrip> I remember seeing that ssh monitoring "only worker with linux servers" somewhere, as if zenoss could only make it work if the device was classified as /Server/Linux
[13-Jun-2007 18:57:43] <scrip> are there other parts of zenoss like this?
[13-Jun-2007 19:02:06] <WirelessWAN> scrip, each class has attributes that are inherited from the parent, these can be overwritten by making a copy of the attributes and editing them on the child
[13-Jun-2007 19:03:25] <scrip> wirelesswan: OK, I've read what pittifully small amount of documentation is available and I researched nagios before I tried zenoss, I understand that
[13-Jun-2007 19:03:58] <scrip> for some reason, zenoss just dies with a backtrace and no usefull errors to a non python-developer when I'm trying to do things
[13-Jun-2007 19:04:21] <scrip> I install, it sorta works, I try running my own script against it that uses REST calls to add devices, and then zenoss stops working
[13-Jun-2007 19:04:41] <scrip> I can add the devices by hand, and it works
[13-Jun-2007 19:04:49] <scrip> with a REST call from the zenoss box, no luch
[13-Jun-2007 19:04:52] <scrip> *luck
[13-Jun-2007 19:05:27] <scrip> and I HAVE to specify the snmp community string in the device when I add it, even if I classify the device and that class has the community string set
[13-Jun-2007 19:06:16] <scrip> so, it looks like I'm back to rolling my own monitoring software because the zenoss project is still a long way off from being stable or well documented
[13-Jun-2007 19:18:56] <WirelessWAN> scrip, have you read the 109 page administrator's guide, that seemed pretty comprehensive to me and took me a while to digest
[13-Jun-2007 19:19:42] <WirelessWAN> the only tweak I did was run the discovery with nice -20 so that the SQL database could keep up
[13-Jun-2007 19:20:52] <WirelessWAN> ..and give the VM 1.3 Gig of RAM instead of .3 (I've got multiple /16s to discover and manage)
[13-Jun-2007 19:21:50] <scrip> wirelesswan: that guide is crap, its a quickstart and doesn't go into sufficient detail about anything I'm trying to do
[13-Jun-2007 19:22:13] <scrip> wirelesswan: ok, thats a little harsh, it IS a good quickstart guide
[13-Jun-2007 19:22:20] <scrip> it is NOT a full administrators guide
[13-Jun-2007 19:25:03] <WirelessWAN> just so we are clear, you are talking about the Admin Guide from http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/zenoss/ZenossAdminGuide2-0.pdf
[13-Jun-2007 19:25:48] <WirelessWAN> and not the quickstart guide from http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/zenoss/ZenossQStart-1.0.pdf
[13-Jun-2007 19:25:57] <scrip> wirelesswan: nope, that 109 page one, that first link
[13-Jun-2007 19:26:19] <scrip> oh, wait, thats a new manual for 2.0
[13-Jun-2007 19:26:23] <scrip> but I can't use 2.0 anyway
[13-Jun-2007 19:26:24] <WirelessWAN> it's now up to 181 pages
[13-Jun-2007 19:26:31] <scrip> but I've read the equivilant one for 1.1.2
[13-Jun-2007 19:28:03] <WirelessWAN> have you looked at this? http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/add-device/
[13-Jun-2007 19:28:03] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[13-Jun-2007 19:28:04] <WirelessWAN> they talk about adding via REST
[13-Jun-2007 19:28:04] <scrip> yes, thats what I'm trying to do
[13-Jun-2007 19:28:21] <scrip> I've been reading all the docs and howtos I can get my hands on for the last 3 weeks trying to integrate zenoss with our network
[13-Jun-2007 19:28:34] <scrip> thats the exact howto I've worked from]
[13-Jun-2007 19:28:54] <scrip> and a url formated like that now causes a zope db error when adding the device
[13-Jun-2007 19:30:56] <scrip> I'm going to take a final shot at it tomorrow I guess, full reinstall
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[13-Jun-2007 19:31:41] <WirelessWAN> I like the VM version since I can take snapshots and "undo"
[13-Jun-2007 19:32:13] <WirelessWAN> if you have snmp, can't you just do a discovery instead of REST inserts?
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[13-Jun-2007 22:32:34] <solarce> oh cool, there is a channel
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[13-Jun-2007 22:34:10] <solarce> I've been meaning to check out zenoss for a while, and am just now getting to it, how's the autodiscovery? I've been using nmap + perl glue to output xml files that I add details to
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[13-Jun-2007 22:34:57] <solarce> err, s/xml/xls
[13-Jun-2007 22:36:15] <J-Bob> solarce: welcome. Zenoss does discovery by subnet (ping sweep) or you can use a URL or XML-RPC interface to load lists of devices and specify device attributes as variables
[13-Jun-2007 22:36:48] <solarce> so it can't do service detection?
[13-Jun-2007 22:37:53] <J-Bob> solarce: sorry I was speaking of device discovery in a general sense...yes zenoss does service discovery
[13-Jun-2007 22:38:16] <solarce> nice
[13-Jun-2007 22:38:28] <solarce> and thanks for the welcome
[13-Jun-2007 22:38:31] <J-Bob> plus if you set up custom monitors for non-standard ports and such, it will be detected on all devices
[13-Jun-2007 22:38:56] <J-Bob> If you do kick the tires, pop in here with questions or hit the zenoss-users list.
[13-Jun-2007 22:39:19] <solarce> I'm going to, I have vmware server and the rpath appliance downloading right now
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[13-Jun-2007 22:40:12] <solarce> I'm hoping it will be a great replacement for my current setup, which is serversalive + some custom software for the platform at the place I work for monitoring and nmap + manual entry for inventory :>
[13-Jun-2007 22:41:14] <J-Bob> solarce: I think the big initial benefit will be quick startup and less upkeep =)
[13-Jun-2007 22:42:28] <solarce>
[13-Jun-2007 22:44:17] <solarce> bbl
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[14-Jun-2007 04:52:15] <Farhod> have some used zenoss beta release of 2 version?
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[14-Jun-2007 06:02:48] <Cr4z3> hi just having some problems starting zen again after a reboot
[14-Jun-2007 06:03:10] <Cr4z3> basically its having problems connecting back to mysql can't work out why though.
[14-Jun-2007 06:03:59] <Cr4z3> getting the following error: "Access denied for user 'zenoss'@'localhost' "
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[14-Jun-2007 06:19:07] <thefoo> I've added a Cisco router, but it's only doing graphs for cpu use and free memory. Why doesn't it graph interface performance too?
[14-Jun-2007 06:19:22] <thefoo> It has all the interfaces listed under "OS"
[14-Jun-2007 06:19:50] <Cr4z3> what model foo?
[14-Jun-2007 06:20:32] <thefoo> 3725
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[14-Jun-2007 06:29:57] <thefoo> so no ideas then?
[14-Jun-2007 06:30:05] <thefoo> seems like a fairly basic requirement to em
[14-Jun-2007 06:30:07] <thefoo> me
[14-Jun-2007 06:30:08] <Cr4z3> yeh i had the same issue with a 878
[14-Jun-2007 06:30:22] <Cr4z3> just fixing my sql issue and i'll be able 2 help u
[14-Jun-2007 06:30:31] <Cr4z3> basically you'll need to create a new template
[14-Jun-2007 06:31:02] <Cr4z3> and specify the OID's that are needed to monitor a particular string
[14-Jun-2007 06:31:11] <Cr4z3> what interfaces are there on the 3725?
[14-Jun-2007 06:32:27] <thefoo> Fa0/0, 0/1, 1/0 and 1/1
[14-Jun-2007 06:32:34] <Cr4z3> oh
[14-Jun-2007 06:32:41] <Cr4z3> it should be monitoring that by default.
[14-Jun-2007 06:32:51] <thefoo> strange they are listed under OS not hardware
[14-Jun-2007 06:32:53] <Cr4z3> i thought perhaps it would be a sub-interface on a serial or atm
[14-Jun-2007 06:32:58] <thefoo> oh no
[14-Jun-2007 06:33:06] <thefoo> like I said, this is basic stuff
[14-Jun-2007 06:33:40] <thefoo> I also have a Linux box which, since restarting zenoss, it thinks http died on
[14-Jun-2007 06:33:47] <thefoo> which it hasn't else I would be fixing it
[14-Jun-2007 06:33:58] <thefoo> not going well todya
[14-Jun-2007 06:34:30] <thefoo> I might delete / add again
[14-Jun-2007 06:34:52] <thefoo> it didn't like the snmpwalk getting 2x full route tables either
[14-Jun-2007 06:35:00] <thefoo> even though I told it to not get it
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[14-Jun-2007 06:39:39] <thefoo> oh ffs
[14-Jun-2007 06:39:54] <thefoo> who it God's name decided that when adding a Cisco router to get the routeMap?
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[14-Jun-2007 06:40:05] <thefoo> it's HUGE
[14-Jun-2007 06:40:08] <thefoo> and times out
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[14-Jun-2007 06:55:09] <thefoo> heh
[14-Jun-2007 06:55:26] <thefoo> I just added a cisco switch. it found all the interfaces but hasn't created any graphs
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[14-Jun-2007 07:10:21] <J-BobAFK> thefoo: You can disable RouteMap for any or all devices
[14-Jun-2007 07:11:01] <J-BobAFK> thefoo: you should be getting graps for your interfaces if you click the link on them
[14-Jun-2007 07:11:36] <J-BobAFK> thefoo: the graphs take a few minutes to render, but you should see place holders for them
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[14-Jun-2007 07:21:54] <thefoo> there are no placeholders for the switch
[14-Jun-2007 07:22:17] <thefoo> and I tried to disable the RouteMap before, it has returned and prevents the adding of our routers as they time out
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[14-Jun-2007 09:24:27] <Atomic-Punk> is there any way to replicate the 'passive' functionality of Nagios? specifically, triggering an alert if NO update from an application has been received in a certain time period?
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[14-Jun-2007 09:53:11] <thefoo> if you can see graph under individual OS interfaces, why don't they appear under the "Perf" tab ?
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[14-Jun-2007 10:03:11] <knutin> Will Zenoss Core 2 work with version 5.0.18 of the mysql server?
[14-Jun-2007 10:04:12] <Farhod> what can be the problem I am using zenoss 2 release and when I use auto discover for network I get an error =/
[14-Jun-2007 10:04:26] <Farhod> but with zenoss user in comand line every thing is ok
[14-Jun-2007 10:08:06] <thefoo> I'm getting the general impression zenoss has quite a long way to go before it's usable
[14-Jun-2007 10:08:15] <thefoo> it's just to complicated or otherwise buggy
[14-Jun-2007 10:09:20] <solarce> I think the auto discovery is lacking, but nothing that can't be made up with nmap and some perl or xslt glue to shove data in via the xmlrpc interface
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[14-Jun-2007 10:14:59] <Robbadub> Howdy
[14-Jun-2007 10:15:21] <J-Bob> Greetings =)
[14-Jun-2007 10:15:38] <thefoo> solarce: I'd like them to fix the basics
[14-Jun-2007 10:15:55] <Robbadub> Sounds like I'm on the rite channel
[14-Jun-2007 10:16:01] <thefoo> I mean, I've got two Cisco devices here, and neither has interface graphs under the "Perf" tab
[14-Jun-2007 10:16:05] <thefoo> thats insane
[14-Jun-2007 10:16:22] <thefoo> they all got found and put under "OS" instead
[14-Jun-2007 10:20:58] <Robbadub> They were under OS tab before
[14-Jun-2007 10:21:16] <Robbadub> Can anyone tell me more about the MIB situation?
[14-Jun-2007 10:21:24] <J-Bob> thefoo: the interface graphs are accessed by clicking on the interface itself....not the perf tab
[14-Jun-2007 10:21:46] <J-Bob> the perf tab is for hardware cpu / memory type things
[14-Jun-2007 10:21:48] * thefoo looks surprised
[14-Jun-2007 10:22:53] <thefoo> so when I need to quickly view the traffic loads across my switch ports, I can't see them under the performance tab?
[14-Jun-2007 10:24:23] <J-Bob> No you have to access the interfaces themselves. You could create an aggregate report of all switch ports, but it would have to be hacked together. You can also drag the util graps for individual ports to create a new page with all those graphs
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[14-Jun-2007 10:27:05] <Robbadub> J-Bob
[14-Jun-2007 10:27:14] <J-Bob> Robbadub: yup?
[14-Jun-2007 10:27:17] <Robbadub> Do you have time to elaborate on MIB with me?
[14-Jun-2007 10:28:11] <thefoo> well that's just counter-intuitive
[14-Jun-2007 10:28:45] <thefoo> even cacti knows to produce a page listing the graphs for all services on a device
[14-Jun-2007 10:29:40] <J-Bob> Robbadub: I can try
[14-Jun-2007 10:30:14] <Robbadub> OWkee. Just to check some assumption
[14-Jun-2007 10:30:16] <Robbadub> s
[14-Jun-2007 10:30:39] <Robbadub> I have a Dell PowerConnect 5324 and I downloaded the MIBs
[14-Jun-2007 10:31:10] <J-Bob> thefoo: for sure a different take on graphing. You can probably do what you want, but it will take some customizing. Maintaining Zenoss in general is easier than Cacti
[14-Jun-2007 10:31:20] <J-Bob> Robbadub: okay
[14-Jun-2007 10:31:38] <Robbadub> I uploaded the MIBS'(57 files) to the $ZENHOME/share/mibs/site folder
[14-Jun-2007 10:31:53] <Robbadub> I run: zenmib run mibfile
[14-Jun-2007 10:32:14] <Robbadub> but zenmib doesn't work and complains about a functions folder
[14-Jun-2007 10:32:52] <Robbadub> Q1: Do I need to upload all the MIB files or just specific ones in order to fully model mu Powerconnect device?
[14-Jun-2007 10:33:06] <Robbadub> Q2: Is this the rite procedure to get the MIBS in
[14-Jun-2007 10:33:31] <Robbadub> Q3: Doe the MIB's get automatically assigned to the device or do I have to do this myself?
[14-Jun-2007 10:33:58] <Robbadub> Tanks 4 your time
[14-Jun-2007 10:34:15] <Robbadub> Bu I suppose you prefer thanks ;-)
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[14-Jun-2007 10:36:20] <J-Bob> Robbadub: you have to load the mibs in Zenoss to get properly formatted traps. If you just want to set up data collection then you can just copy the files to the netsnmp directory on the zenoss server. If the devices have fairly standard OIDs for performance stats they should just work when you put them in the /Devices/Network/Switches class and remodel
[14-Jun-2007 10:36:56] <Robbadub> K
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[14-Jun-2007 10:38:17] <Robbadub> The netsnmp folder is this one? /opt/zenoss/lib/python/pynetsnmp
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[14-Jun-2007 10:41:12] <J-Bob> /usr/share/snmp/mibs
[14-Jun-2007 10:41:26] <J-Bob> you should change the filenames from .mib to .txt...no change to the file
[14-Jun-2007 10:42:40] <J-Bob> Robbadub: do an snmpwalk of your device before adding the files, then after...you should see more descriptive OIDs
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[14-Jun-2007 10:44:50] <Robbadub> OK
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[14-Jun-2007 10:58:25] <Robbadub> Thanks 4 your time once again
[14-Jun-2007 10:59:09] <J-Bob> Robbadub: you bet. I am on most of the time and my cohort cluther has his ears on most of the time. Plus hit the zenoss-users list as needed.
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[14-Jun-2007 12:16:43] <monrad> just made my first zenoss ticket
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[14-Jun-2007 13:24:47] <andrew_p> is a good howto on configuring event alerting in zenoss available somewhere on the web?
[14-Jun-2007 13:24:57] <andrew_p> or any howto at all
[14-Jun-2007 13:25:59] <cluther_> andrew_p: Have you looked at the Admin Guide? There is a chapter in there on Alerting Rules.
[14-Jun-2007 13:27:11] <andrew_p> cluther_: yes, but i need rather an insight on setting up the event monitoring. Admin Guide is not very clear about that. i created several ip services and os processes to monitor, defined alerting rules. still not getting any alerts
[14-Jun-2007 13:28:02] <cluther_> Check the zenactions log file. It will tell you if it is trying to send the alerts.
[14-Jun-2007 13:28:20] <andrew_p> then i mapped EventClass'es i am interested in to defaultmapping and sketched a text message for this default mapping - no luck.. do i need to create an event instance for the device somehow?
[14-Jun-2007 13:28:29] <andrew_p> cluther_: ok...
[14-Jun-2007 13:28:51] <cluther_> I think the most common problem is that Zenoss tries to send the emails and they get rejected by the mail server due to an invalid sender address.
[14-Jun-2007 13:29:54] <andrew_p> cluther_: it sends a test email well...
[14-Jun-2007 13:30:20] <cluther_> ok, that's a good sign.
[14-Jun-2007 13:30:29] <andrew_p> cluther_: in zenactions.log there all records are saying "processed 0 rules" or "processed 0 commands"
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[14-Jun-2007 13:30:34] <cluther_> So these events aren't even showing up in the event console?
[14-Jun-2007 13:30:43] <andrew_p> cluther_: they do show up
[14-Jun-2007 13:30:47] <cluther_> Ok,, good..
[14-Jun-2007 13:30:59] <cluther_> The real key here is the "processed 0 rules"
[14-Jun-2007 13:31:26] <cluther_> For some reason it isn't even processing the alerting rules you've created. I hate asking this question, but did you set the "Enabled" = True?
[14-Jun-2007 13:32:18] <andrew_p> cluther_: yes. Delay (secs) = 0, Enabled = True, Action = email, where Severity >= Info and Production State = Production
[14-Jun-2007 13:32:33] <cluther_> Try restarting the zenactions daemon, then look to see if it processes more than 0 rules.
[14-Jun-2007 13:37:07] <andrew_p> cluther_: still zero. in past, i tried restarting all daemons and it did not change anything
[14-Jun-2007 13:37:53] <cluther_> Doh.. I always forget about this one little tid bit.
[14-Jun-2007 13:38:17] <cluther_> alerting rules for the default admin user aren't used. Create an actual user and put the alerting rules on it.
[14-Jun-2007 13:38:36] <andrew_p> cluther_: haha.. great, thanks
[14-Jun-2007 13:38:42] <andrew_p> i think i had this idea in the past...
[14-Jun-2007 13:44:30] <andrew_p> it's a different pair of shoes what are event mappings for in a few words?
[14-Jun-2007 13:53:59] <cluther_> andrew_p: dressing up events to make them more appropriate, whatever your definition of that is.
[14-Jun-2007 13:54:51] <cluther_> At the most simple level, your move the events to different classes so instead of being /Unknown they are /Net/Link..
[14-Jun-2007 13:55:00] <andrew_p> cluther_: ok, thanks
[14-Jun-2007 13:55:32] <cluther_> cluther_: You can change anything about an event, the text that is displayed, the severity, or arbitrary attributes. You can even change the deduplication behavior if you'd like to combine multiple events into one.
[14-Jun-2007 13:56:01] <rkagin> To anyone who can help me: I'm currently going to the zenoss code learning more about how zenoss monitors devices; where in the code does it determine what type of device it is and thus what sort of checks it does (i.e. where does the code delineate between routers, switches, servers, etc.)?
[14-Jun-2007 14:01:01] <andrew_p> rkagin: does it?
[14-Jun-2007 14:01:43] <cluther_> rkagin: It is based upon the performance templates that are assigned to an object's device class, or the device itself.
[14-Jun-2007 14:02:29] <andrew_p> rkagin: yep. it comes with hardcoded templates, lets you define your own, but does not have the intelligence you mean
[14-Jun-2007 14:04:02] <rkagin> I guess I was under the impression that certain data was collected from certain devices depending on their type. The hardcoded templates - where are they located in the code? I'm perusing zenoss's trac now.
[14-Jun-2007 14:04:54] <cluther_> The templates aren't in the code. They are in the object database. The class they instantiate from the code is RRDTemplate
[14-Jun-2007 14:05:13] <cluther_> Should be in Products/ZenModel
[14-Jun-2007 14:06:45] <rkagin> cluther_: Thanks. And then I assume the MIBs are the ones setup in $ZENHOME/share/snmp/mibs ?
[14-Jun-2007 14:07:16] <cluther_> rkagin: When you run zenmib, it imports any MIBs under $ZENHOME/share/mibs that weren't previously imported.
[14-Jun-2007 14:09:18] <rkagin> cluther_: Ok. And then the templates in the database created for different types of devices choose certain MIBs to monitor?
[14-Jun-2007 14:09:35] <rkagin> [provided that different templates were created for different types of devices]
[14-Jun-2007 14:09:55] <cluther_> rkagin: Actually, MIBs and templates aren't linked in any way. MIBs are only used for translated SNMP traps into english.
[14-Jun-2007 14:10:09] <cluther_> rkagin: The raw OIDs are used inside the template definitions.
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[14-Jun-2007 14:12:12] <rkagin> cluther_: I guess my knowledge from reading up on the code is more limited than I thought. All MIBs enabled then are used for all devices, or is there a preference that you can choose which MIBs are used to translate certain traps (or is there a preference that allows you to choose which traps are generated for which type of devices)?
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[14-Jun-2007 14:25:57] <rkagin> cluther_: My understanding comes from Device.py's getDataSourceOptions()'s comment about how it returns the same value every time - does this mean that the characteristics monitored on routers vs. servers vs. switches are all the same?
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[14-Jun-2007 15:23:10] <qru> Should the discovery of a /24 take hours with maybe 50 devices (routers) on the network?
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[14-Jun-2007 15:46:10] <rkagin> I've been looking around in code and in the forums - I thought there was a difference in the way routers vs. servers vs. switches were monitored, but I can't seem to find anything that indicates this. If there are differences, where are these?
[14-Jun-2007 15:57:36] <cluther> qru: Definitely not. Do these routers have full BGP views?
[14-Jun-2007 15:58:50] <cluther> rkagin: Things are monitored depending on what components are discovered on them, and depending on what performance templates are applied to these components.. an example..
[14-Jun-2007 15:59:20] <cluther> rkagin: You have a Cisco router.. after Zenoss discovers it, you move it to the /Devices/Network/Router/Cisco device class.
[14-Jun-2007 16:00:05] <cluther> The zProperties of /Devices/Network/Router/Cisco say that Interfaces and Routes should be modeled on them. (zCollectorPlugins)
[14-Jun-2007 16:00:25] <cluther> So the Zenoss CMDB (configuration management database) learns about all of the interfaces and routes.
[14-Jun-2007 16:00:37] <cluther> Routes can't really be monitored, so they're only stored as configuration information.
[14-Jun-2007 16:01:22] <Aziraphale> cluther: they will if I ever get around to writing my bgpmib-2 plugin
[14-Jun-2007 16:05:48] <cluther> Interfaces automatically get the ethernetCsmacd applied to them, which will monitor throughput, packets and errors.
[14-Jun-2007 16:06:24] <cluther> Aziraphale: What do you want it to do?
[14-Jun-2007 16:06:49] <cluther> I'm only half here.. so please pardon my unresponsiveness.
[14-Jun-2007 16:07:20] <Aziraphale> cluther: collect BGP peers and stats (prefixes received/accepted/rejected) for them
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[14-Jun-2007 16:07:48] <cluther> Aziraphale: That would be really cool... hmm.
[14-Jun-2007 16:08:36] <Aziraphale> structure of the mib is similar to the way interfaces are handled, so was thinking of adapting InterfaceMap
[14-Jun-2007 16:08:55] <cluther> Aziraphale: I've built a couple of things that fit that mold.. dhcp pools, mail queues..
[14-Jun-2007 16:09:04] <Aziraphale> need the collector plugin howto, though
[14-Jun-2007 16:09:10] <cluther> Aziraphale: How's your zenfu?
[14-Jun-2007 16:09:31] <Aziraphale> cluther: middling
[14-Jun-2007 16:09:36] <Aziraphale> not a developer, me
[14-Jun-2007 16:10:53] <cluther> Aziraphale: Could you collect all of the interesting OIDs from the MIB into a nice little description?
[14-Jun-2007 16:11:15] <cluther> Aziraphale: Describe what columns you'd like to see in the BGP Peers table on the OS tab?
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[14-Jun-2007 16:11:33] <cluther> Aziraphale: .. and the data points you'd like graphed?
[14-Jun-2007 16:11:37] <Aziraphale> cluther: yeah, guess so
[14-Jun-2007 16:11:51] <Aziraphale> seeing as I've done some of it manually already
[14-Jun-2007 16:12:31] <cluther> Aziraphale: If you email that to me I could put it together.. would be a good example of all of the integration points.
[14-Jun-2007 16:12:53] <cluther> data collecter, performance template, ui..
[14-Jun-2007 16:12:57] <Aziraphale> right so, I'll get into that
[14-Jun-2007 16:13:03] <cluther> I'm cluther@zenoss.com
[14-Jun-2007 16:14:04] <Aziraphale> got it
[14-Jun-2007 16:15:35] <Aziraphale> actually, problem is that the mib is a) experimental and b) proprietary, so it'll only work for Junipers
[14-Jun-2007 16:16:07] <Aziraphale> I think Cisco might have one too for the bigger routers, haven't seen that yet
[14-Jun-2007 16:16:16] <Aziraphale> chances are it's all different
[14-Jun-2007 16:17:13] <Aziraphale> I do think it'll be an ietf standard eventually
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[14-Jun-2007 16:19:06] <rkagin> cluther: Sorry for the delay - was looking through other code and trying to understand things better. So essentially the zproperties of each category (i.e. Network/Router/Cisco/) determine what is monitored? What's the file that parses the zproperties of the category and does the checks every few minutes (and I assume zentrap.py collects the traps as a result of these tests)?
[14-Jun-2007 16:19:20] <cluther> Aziraphale: Might be hard for me to test it..
[14-Jun-2007 16:19:45] <Aziraphale> cluther: also not the best example for a doc seeing as it's so specialist
[14-Jun-2007 16:19:59] <qru> cluther: No BGP. EIGRP.
[14-Jun-2007 16:20:20] <Aziraphale> somebody actually uses that?
[14-Jun-2007 16:20:36] <cluther> rkagin: Separate modeling and monitoring from each other in your thoughts. the zCollectorPlugins determine what aspects of a device get modeled. The templates determine what aspects get monitored.
[14-Jun-2007 16:20:45] <cluther> Aziraphale: heh.. you'd be surprised.
[14-Jun-2007 16:23:03] <Aziraphale> cluther: don't think I've ever seen a live instance of EIGRP
[14-Jun-2007 16:23:09] <rkagin> cluther: Ok, so once a device is fully modeled, service checks get sent out every few minutes (which checks are determined by the template for the category) and the resulting traps get picked up by zentrap.py (?). Is the template actually sending out the pings to determine up/down time, CPU use, memory use, temperature, or whatever other characteristics are being monitored? Or is there something else I'm missing?
[14-Jun-2007 16:23:40] <Aziraphale> most of the networks I work on are far to heterogenous
[14-Jun-2007 16:23:43] <cluther> rkagin: This is basically the breakdown..
[14-Jun-2007 16:23:54] <cluther> rkagin: zenperfsnmp monitors SNMP data sources defined in templates.
[14-Jun-2007 16:24:03] <cluther> rkagin: zencommand monitors COMMAND data sources defined in templates.
[14-Jun-2007 16:24:49] <cluther> rkagin: zenprocess monitors data sources defined in the OSProcess template specifically.
[14-Jun-2007 16:25:01] <cluther> rkagin: zenping just pings everything's manageIp
[14-Jun-2007 16:25:26] <cluther> rkagin: zenstatus runs TCP connectivity tests on IpServices (listed on OS tab) that have monitored = True.
[14-Jun-2007 16:25:36] <cluther> rkagin: zentrap listens passively for SNMP traps and converts them into events.
[14-Jun-2007 16:25:51] <cluther> rkagin: zensyslog listens passively for syslog messages (514/udp) and converts them into events.
[14-Jun-2007 16:26:19] <cluther> Those are the key processes.. I've left the Windows WMI stuff out..
[14-Jun-2007 16:26:24] <rkagin> cluther: Gosh, I feel silly, because I have most of those files open and have perused through them at length, but I guess I just never got the stand-back picture.
[14-Jun-2007 16:27:07] <cluther> rkagin: It's one of those eureka! kind of things.. it will come to you. =}
[14-Jun-2007 16:27:51] <rkagin> cluther: In terms of each of these different tests, the instantiated RRDTemplate dictates which of these processes need to collect data for the device? And do any of these different tests delineate between different types of devices (i.e. routers or servers), or do they simply identify them as an object/device?
[14-Jun-2007 16:28:56] <cluther> rkagin: Each process cares only about its specialty.. none of them know the difference between a server and a router really. They go into the database and ask for information they care about.. for example..
[14-Jun-2007 16:29:22] <rkagin> cluther: [that's what I thought/understood, but please continue]
[14-Jun-2007 16:29:35] <cluther> rkagin: zenperfsnmp asks zenhub, "Hey, give me a list of all of the OIDs that are defined and the devices they're defined on."
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[14-Jun-2007 16:29:50] <cluther> cluther: Because all zenperfsnmp cares about are OIDs..
[14-Jun-2007 16:30:41] <cluther> talking to myself again..
[14-Jun-2007 16:31:09] <J-Bob> cluther: bad sign =(
[14-Jun-2007 16:31:18] <cluther> rkagin: zenprocess asks zenhub for all devices and processes that have monitor = true. It then tries to pull everything in the OSProcess template for every single one of these.
[14-Jun-2007 16:34:42] <rkagin> cluther: I feel like I was looking for a red herring and totally missed the cooperation between files within the unified model. The intervals for each different test (depending on whether the test succeeded or not) are hard-coded in each test, right?
[14-Jun-2007 16:35:36] <cluther> rkagin: For the most part, the intervals are defined at the daemon level. zenperfsnmp cycles every 5 minutes by default, zenstatus and zenping every 1 minute..
[14-Jun-2007 16:36:00] <cluther> rkagin: zencommand is a bit different. Each COMMAND type data source specifies it's own interval and zencommand takes care of the scheduling to keep that contract.
[14-Jun-2007 16:36:24] <cluther> rkagin: You can find most of these interval settings defined in Monitors->(Status|Performance)
[14-Jun-2007 16:39:12] <rkagin> cluther: I appreciate your help. I'm just trying to learn how things get modeled (I think I understand that), and then once they are modeled, how they are monitored, what happens when, and why.
[14-Jun-2007 16:40:51] <qru> 2007-06-14 09:42:54 Executing command: /opt/zenoss/bin/zendisc run --net=192.168.0.0
[14-Jun-2007 16:41:11] <qru> 2007-06-14 14:36:42 WARNING:zen.IpRouteEntry:interface index:0 not found
[14-Jun-2007 16:41:23] <qru> Still going.
[14-Jun-2007 16:43:08] <cluther> qru: How many entries in your routing table?
[14-Jun-2007 16:44:08] <qru> ~1000
[14-Jun-2007 16:45:30] <cluther> qru: Hmm.. go to the zProperties for /Devices/Discovered
[14-Jun-2007 16:45:35] <cluther> qru: What Zenoss version?
[14-Jun-2007 16:45:51] <qru> Will that abort the discovery?
[14-Jun-2007 16:46:11] <cluther> qru: Yes.. I recommend that you abort it.
[14-Jun-2007 16:46:38] <cluther> qru: SNMP isn't a great protocol for transferring large amounts of information.
[14-Jun-2007 16:46:47] <cluther> qru: Anything that takes that long in SNMP probably will result in failure.
[14-Jun-2007 16:46:53] <qru> chug chug
[14-Jun-2007 16:47:31] <cluther> qru: 2.0?
[14-Jun-2007 16:47:39] <qru> cluther: Yes. Fresh install.
[14-Jun-2007 16:47:59] <cluther> qru: Once you make it to those zProperties, click Edit for the zCollectorPlugins and remove RouteMap from the list.
[14-Jun-2007 16:48:08] <cluther> qru: Then try to discover that network again.
[14-Jun-2007 16:49:23] <Aziraphale> that'd be one for the doc...
[14-Jun-2007 16:50:19] <Aziraphale> seems I'm not the only one with big routing tables on some routers
[14-Jun-2007 16:51:50] <cluther> Aziraphale: Definitely not..
[14-Jun-2007 16:52:32] <cluther> cluther: The way to really fix this would be to write a telnet based route collector.
[14-Jun-2007 16:52:54] <Aziraphale> cluther: not standardised
[14-Jun-2007 16:53:15] <Aziraphale> besides, can zeodb handle 450,000 entries ina routing table?
[14-Jun-2007 16:53:35] <cluther> Aziraphale: The idea would be to only "sh ip route ospf" or something so you skip the BGP entries entirely.
[14-Jun-2007 16:53:57] <Aziraphale> ah, I see
[14-Jun-2007 16:54:47] <qru> Looks like the discovery added 303 networks.
[14-Jun-2007 16:55:06] <Aziraphale> for refence, the command on a Juniper is show route protocol ospf
[14-Jun-2007 16:55:34] <monrad> uhh i would like to have some juniper routers
[14-Jun-2007 16:56:15] <Aziraphale> monrad: there's a quite nice cheap series now
[14-Jun-2007 16:56:35] <monrad> Aziraphale: we are only looking at foundry right now
[14-Jun-2007 16:56:39] <qru> Displaying networks is taking forever now.
[14-Jun-2007 16:56:47] <Aziraphale> monrad: for L3 work?
[14-Jun-2007 16:56:53] <monrad> but foundry is kinda nice too
[14-Jun-2007 16:56:54] <Aziraphale> monrad: don't go there
[14-Jun-2007 16:57:13] <monrad> well they work for our needs right now
[14-Jun-2007 16:57:31] <Aziraphale> they're good for L2 stuff, wouldn't touch them with a barge pole for anything L3 related
[14-Jun-2007 16:58:02] <monrad> we use their XMR's for our routing needs
[14-Jun-2007 16:58:21] <Aziraphale> hm, haven't tried their theraton stuff
[14-Jun-2007 16:58:41] <Aziraphale> they really do wire-speed routing?
[14-Jun-2007 16:59:16] <monrad> we dont have any problems with them yet
[14-Jun-2007 16:59:42] <monrad> we i guess we are a kinda of smallish ISP
[14-Jun-2007 17:00:28] <monrad> minus the first we getting kinda late here
[14-Jun-2007 17:01:35] <qru> cluther: Would zenoss try to auto discover other networks that are identified when polling devices on the network I am discovering?
[14-Jun-2007 17:02:08] <cluther> qru: By default, yes. If this doesn't suite you, go the the zProperties for /Networks and set zAutoDiscover to False.
[14-Jun-2007 17:02:25] <cluther> qru: You can then in the future go to specific networks and enable the zAutoDiscover property on them.
[14-Jun-2007 17:03:28] <Aziraphale> that's a handy feature alright
[14-Jun-2007 17:03:54] <Aziraphale> I've, in the past, had trouble with Zenoss trying to auto-discover the internet
[14-Jun-2007 17:04:02] <monrad> turning autodiscovery off was the first thing i turned off
[14-Jun-2007 17:04:14] <monrad> damn maybe i should stop writing now
[14-Jun-2007 17:07:17] <knutin> I was just wondering, Zenoss claims that RHEL4 is a supported platform, but there is no way to install the version of mysql required by the zenoss-rpm.
[14-Jun-2007 17:07:28] <knutin> By no way, I mean with an rpm that is supported by redhat
[14-Jun-2007 17:07:30] <cluther> knutin: Grab the zenoss-deps RPM.
[14-Jun-2007 17:07:53] <cluther> knutin: ok, that's true. Zenoss required MySQL triggers. They simply don't exist on MySQL 4.
[14-Jun-2007 17:08:08] <knutin> Will 5.0.18 do?
[14-Jun-2007 17:08:35] <cluther> knutin: I think there are relevant bugs in 5.0.18. You could try it though.. we usually recommend 5.0.22 or later.
[14-Jun-2007 17:08:39] <knutin> I found that version in some channel or other and it did the trick for Zenoss 1, but now I'm trying to upgrade to 2
[14-Jun-2007 17:08:56] <cluther> knutin: If it worked for 1.x, it'll work for 2. The database schema hasn't changed a bit.
[14-Jun-2007 17:09:24] <knutin> Alright. I'll just install the rpm with --no-deps and I'm good to go then?
[14-Jun-2007 17:09:24] <knutin>
[14-Jun-2007 17:17:35] <cluther> knutin: Yeah.
[14-Jun-2007 17:17:53] <cluther> knutin: Unfortunately you'll probably feel unclean for a few days.
[14-Jun-2007 17:20:11] <monrad> i hope they speed up the network listing in the next version
[14-Jun-2007 17:21:54] <cluther> monrad: I think it could probably benefit from some indexing.
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[14-Jun-2007 17:23:07] <monrad> cluther: if i look at the /manage link the pop right up
[14-Jun-2007 17:24:07] <monrad> but i hope your right
[14-Jun-2007 17:29:05] <cluther> cluther: I'm out of here folks. Have a good one.
[14-Jun-2007 17:29:12] <cluther> Stop talking to yourself, cluther..
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[14-Jun-2007 18:02:34] <rkagin> Does anyone know where the default templates are located, i.e. the ones that are first imported to the database upon installing?
[14-Jun-2007 18:04:22] <scrip> is there a linux browser that works with zenoss 2.0? I've got the latest version of firefox, but the ajax code behaves unpredictably
[14-Jun-2007 18:05:16] <rkagin> scrip: I can't say, as I have not updated to 2.0 - been testing on 1.9.7 because I don't control what version I use.
[14-Jun-2007 18:05:34] <rkagin> scrip: But for the version I have, My version of Firefox works.
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[14-Jun-2007 18:49:07] <densone> anyone in here that can answer a quick question?
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[14-Jun-2007 20:40:53] * |__rb__| says hi to the room
[14-Jun-2007 20:41:30] <|__rb__|> need some help graphing cisco router interface statics? can anyone help me?
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[14-Jun-2007 20:46:36] <Aziraphale> go on...
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[14-Jun-2007 20:49:27] <|__rb__|> just need a documentation that shows how to add interface graphs for cisco router ethernet and serial ports
[14-Jun-2007 20:49:29] <|__rb__|> thanks
[14-Jun-2007 20:49:30] <monrad> wee go zenoss
[14-Jun-2007 20:49:40] <|__rb__|> br
[14-Jun-2007 20:49:42] <|__rb__|> brb
[14-Jun-2007 20:49:46] <monrad> or now i know that one of the UPS's lost its batterys
[14-Jun-2007 20:50:55] <Aziraphale> heh
[14-Jun-2007 20:51:16] <Aziraphale> better to know now than at the next power failure...
[14-Jun-2007 20:54:06] <monrad> well it then lost the power when i tried to start its selftest
[14-Jun-2007 20:54:10] <monrad> but dont tell my boss
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[14-Jun-2007 20:55:13] <Aziraphale> apc, is it?
[14-Jun-2007 20:57:43] <monrad> yes
[14-Jun-2007 20:57:57] <monrad> we have 2 small ones
[14-Jun-2007 20:58:38] <monrad> we were pondering if we should call the tech now but i guess we let him sleep 3-4 hours more
[14-Jun-2007 21:12:00] <Aziraphale> only ups i know that will happily commit suicide when self-testing...
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[14-Jun-2007 21:14:44] <hspcd> yo folks, is anyone else having trouble downloading the documentation
[14-Jun-2007 21:16:57] <hspcd> for version 2 of Zenoss Core?
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[15-Jun-2007 00:29:00] <monrad> are there a right way to use the 64 bit counter template in zenoss 2.0?
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[15-Jun-2007 03:51:01] <spike> hi
[15-Jun-2007 03:51:17] <spike> can anybody elaborate on the zenoss's graphing ability? is it just nagios + perf data?
[15-Jun-2007 03:52:00] <spike> 'cause I'm currently using nagios+munin/cricket, and it's annoying as most of the times I end up duplicating the effort
[15-Jun-2007 03:52:33] <spike> in general having the app that does check and the one that graph staff separated means repeating 2 times the same reading
[15-Jun-2007 03:53:01] <spike> but nagios itself is far from being as powerful as munin, so I had to give up tryign to use perf data
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[15-Jun-2007 06:27:58] <Farhod> I would like to know does zenoss have software deployment on monitored machine?
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[15-Jun-2007 09:11:55] <Myweb> Hello
[15-Jun-2007 09:16:04] <Myweb> Could I ask for help?
[15-Jun-2007 09:16:57] <Myweb> I have a small network, and I need to monitoring hosts (ping), but I can`t to setup it in Zenoss, please help me
[15-Jun-2007 09:17:39] <creiht> Myweb: All you want to do is ping?
[15-Jun-2007 09:18:02] <Myweb> As first step - Yes
[15-Jun-2007 09:18:12] <creiht> When you add a device
[15-Jun-2007 09:18:24] <creiht> let me look to make sure I have the right name
[15-Jun-2007 09:19:09] <creiht> Change Discovery Protocol to None
[15-Jun-2007 09:19:21] <creiht> And it should add the device, and just moniotr by ping
[15-Jun-2007 09:20:09] <Myweb> yes, I have made it, my PC has ip 192.168.9.23
[15-Jun-2007 09:20:23] <Myweb> I have added this device to Zenoss
[15-Jun-2007 09:20:34] <Myweb> but in Events I see: 192.168.9.23 ip 192.168.9.23 is down
[15-Jun-2007 09:21:20] <creiht> For that event, what is the value in lastTime?
[15-Jun-2007 09:21:31] <creiht> and how does that compare to your current time?
[15-Jun-2007 09:21:49] <Myweb> I sorry, I have Firewall on...
[15-Jun-2007 09:22:11] <creiht> ahh
[15-Jun-2007 09:22:15] <creiht> yeah that will do it too
[15-Jun-2007 09:22:57] <Myweb> I have a router, I have added it to zenoss, and Zenoss add 2 subnets : local (192.168.0.0/16) and Wan
[15-Jun-2007 09:23:27] <Myweb> but My computer (192.168.9.23) I don`t see in 192.168.0.0/16 network
[15-Jun-2007 09:23:49] <Myweb> how to "put" my computer to right network in zenoss
[15-Jun-2007 09:23:50] <Myweb> ?
[15-Jun-2007 09:25:49] <creiht> So when you click on the 192.168.0.0 network, what do you see inside there?
[15-Jun-2007 09:26:09] <creiht> On my installation it splits the networks up in smaller blocks
[15-Jun-2007 09:26:25] <creiht> And then my devices show up in the /24 blocks
[15-Jun-2007 09:27:53] <Myweb> I see only Ip adress of my router in IP Addresses block
[15-Jun-2007 09:28:08] <Myweb> Subnetworks block is empty
[15-Jun-2007 09:28:51] <creiht> Myweb: I'm not sure... I have never really looked/used the networks area before
[15-Jun-2007 09:29:48] <creiht> try this
[15-Jun-2007 09:29:56] <creiht> Open up your device in zenoss
[15-Jun-2007 09:30:01] <creiht> and then click on the OS tab
[15-Jun-2007 09:30:20] <creiht> At the top part you should see all the interfaces
[15-Jun-2007 09:30:43] <creiht> next to your primary interface you will see the IP, and it should be a link
[15-Jun-2007 09:30:46] <creiht> click on that
[15-Jun-2007 09:30:55] <creiht> and see where it takes you in the IP heirarchy
[15-Jun-2007 09:31:11] <Myweb> I add host witout snmp
[15-Jun-2007 09:31:25] <Myweb> And I have nothing on OS tab
[15-Jun-2007 09:31:28] <creiht> ahh
[15-Jun-2007 09:31:32] <creiht> interesting
[15-Jun-2007 09:31:47] <creiht> I bet that is why then it is not showing up on the network area
[15-Jun-2007 09:32:00] <creiht> Not sure if that is the desired behavior or not
[15-Jun-2007 09:32:57] <creiht> I don't think there are too many people that do just ping monitoring with zenoss
[15-Jun-2007 09:33:29] <Myweb>
[15-Jun-2007 09:41:36] <Myweb> thank You for Your help, bye
[15-Jun-2007 09:43:01] <Bulwinkle> creiht: can you help me with a WMI issue I am having on my windows side?
[15-Jun-2007 09:43:27] <Bulwinkle> or anyone for that matter
[15-Jun-2007 09:44:13] <creiht> Bulwinkle: I haven't done anything with WMI yet, but there are others on here usually that have... so ask away, and hopefully someone will see the question when they get the chance
[15-Jun-2007 09:45:11] <Bulwinkle> cluther: you around today?
[15-Jun-2007 09:45:47] <cluther> Bulwinkle: A bit.
[15-Jun-2007 09:46:29] <Bulwinkle> cluther: have you worked with the WMI portion of 2.0?
[15-Jun-2007 09:46:34] <cluther> yes
[15-Jun-2007 09:46:56] <Bulwinkle> cluther: any good docs you have read on setting it up?
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[15-Jun-2007 09:49:53] <giesen> Is there any solution to the "sendto error short format requires 0<=number<=USHRT_MAX" problem?
[15-Jun-2007 09:53:12] <cluther> Bulwinkle: No, that section of the Admin Guide hasn't been filled out yet.. it is very few steps though.
[15-Jun-2007 09:53:36] <Bulwinkle> cluther: if you have time can you run me through them?
[15-Jun-2007 09:53:40] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Put all of your Windows servers somewhere under /Devices/Server/Windows.
[15-Jun-2007 09:53:48] <Bulwinkle> Done
[15-Jun-2007 09:53:50] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Create a domain admin account if you have a domain.
[15-Jun-2007 09:54:04] <Bulwinkle> will a local admin on the box work?
[15-Jun-2007 09:54:17] <cluther> Yes.. for local admin..
[15-Jun-2007 09:54:23] <Bulwinkle> done
[15-Jun-2007 09:54:46] <cluther> Bulwinkle: In the zProperties for /Devices/Server/Windows set zWinUsername to ".\Administrator" and set the zWinPassword.
[15-Jun-2007 09:54:56] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Make sure that zWmiMonitorIgnore is set to False.
[15-Jun-2007 09:55:20] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Go the the Settings/Daemons page and verify that zenwinmodeler, zenwin and zeneventlog are running.
[15-Jun-2007 09:55:45] <cluther> cluther: That's it. After about 10 minutes you'll either see WMI errors in your event console, or windows services listed on the OS tab of your Windows server.
[15-Jun-2007 09:56:10] <cluther> Bulwinkle: So the key zProperties for WMI monitoring are zWinUsername, zWinPassword and zWmiMonitorIgnore.
[15-Jun-2007 09:56:41] <Bulwinkle> cluther: can I use a domain account (which is local admin on the boxes)?
[15-Jun-2007 09:57:48] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Hmm.. I haven't tried it, but I'd guess that it works.
[15-Jun-2007 09:58:04] <Bulwinkle> We'll see, Thanks... I'll let you know how it works out!
[15-Jun-2007 09:58:05] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Just format the zWinUsername as "DOMAIN\Username"
[15-Jun-2007 10:00:13] <cluther> giesen: Does this error occur on many devices, or just the zenoss server itself?
[15-Jun-2007 10:11:08] <Bulwinkle> cluther: worked flawlessly... Thanks!
[15-Jun-2007 10:11:30] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I always like to hear those words. =}
[15-Jun-2007 10:11:52] <Bulwinkle> cluther: Should I upgrade from 2.0 b2 to 2.0.0?
[15-Jun-2007 10:12:45] <cluther> hmm. b2 = 1.9.6?
[15-Jun-2007 10:13:13] <Bulwinkle> cluther: yeah.. sorry thats what I meant
[15-Jun-2007 10:15:05] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Yeah, go ahead. It is an easy upgrade (no zen2dump/zenload required) and fixes a number of bugs.
[15-Jun-2007 10:15:36] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I'm still having trouble with 3 services starting... let me upgrade and I'll ping back atcha in a few
[15-Jun-2007 10:18:52] <kompressor> cluther, im still using 1.1.2....is a complete 2.0 reinstall necessary?
[15-Jun-2007 10:19:45] <cluther> kompressor: There are instructions ZEN2UPGRADE.TXT linked to from the 2.0 release notes.
[15-Jun-2007 10:20:01] <cluther> kompressor: It shows the process to use to dump your object database and import it into 2.0.
[15-Jun-2007 10:21:16] <kompressor> cluther, thanx :-)
[15-Jun-2007 10:22:30] <cluther> kompressor: FYI to you and others.. use the RPM installation method if at all possible. It makes it so much easier for us to predict good upgrade paths.
[15-Jun-2007 10:23:07] <kompressor> eish cluther im using ubuntu debs or from source
[15-Jun-2007 10:23:15] <kompressor> no RPM
[15-Jun-2007 10:23:18] <cluther> kompressor: Yeah.. no choice for you. =}
[15-Jun-2007 10:24:07] <kompressor> cluther, how far is that feature of "authenticating zenoss via ldap" since 2.0 is just released?
[15-Jun-2007 10:24:40] <kompressor> just wondering....
[15-Jun-2007 10:25:01] <Bulwinkle> cluther: looks like they fixed my problem in 2.0.0
[15-Jun-2007 10:26:22] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I'm getting some SNMP errors on my windows servers memoryPagespersec, memoryAvailablekBytes, and cpuPercentProcessorTime...
[15-Jun-2007 10:27:14] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Those are the SNMP Informant polls. You can either install the SNMP Informant MIB extension on your Windows server(s) or remove those data sources from the Device template under /Devices/Server/Windows.
[15-Jun-2007 10:27:48] <Bulwinkle> cluther: where would I find that extension?
[15-Jun-2007 10:28:11] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Google "snmp informant" and get the free version.
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[15-Jun-2007 10:32:31] <Bulwinkle> cluther: thanks... you should be on the zenoss payroll
[15-Jun-2007 10:32:45] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I am.
[15-Jun-2007 10:34:01] <Bulwinkle> cluther: excellent...
[15-Jun-2007 10:37:41] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I've been with Zenoss for four weeks now. Previously I was known as chet on here and the forums and was deploying Zenoss on my previous company's network.
[15-Jun-2007 10:38:08] <creiht> cluther: Very cool... Good to hear that
[15-Jun-2007 10:38:18] <creiht> I was wondering if that would happen
[15-Jun-2007 10:39:38] <cluther> The architecture of the product was like something I had been dreaming of for years.
[15-Jun-2007 10:40:35] <creiht> Yeah... I love it
[15-Jun-2007 10:41:06] <creiht> I just wish I was still doing our main monitoring stuff here so that I could use it for it
[15-Jun-2007 10:41:06] <cluther> Me too. I love it the way it already is, but what I really love is where the foundation will allow it to grow in the future.
[15-Jun-2007 10:42:18] <creiht> cluther: So do you just do support, or are you coding as well?
[15-Jun-2007 10:43:10] <cluther> creiht: I'm primarily responsible for supporting our paying customers. Occasionally this results in small coding tasks.
[15-Jun-2007 10:43:21] <creiht> ahh
[15-Jun-2007 10:43:22] <creiht> cool
[15-Jun-2007 10:43:36] <creiht> I'm glad they have someone on the payroll on the channel now
[15-Jun-2007 10:44:36] <cluther> creiht: We really want to help the community get up to speed. Having people like you around really helps a lot as the community response sometimes falls to an as-time-allows state.
[15-Jun-2007 10:44:45] <_zack> hi all, i've a question about the mysql permission set by the zenoss installation
[15-Jun-2007 10:44:50] <_zack> from install-function.sh I read
[15-Jun-2007 10:44:58] <_zack> grant all on $MYSQLEVENTDB.* to '$MYSQLUSER'@'${MYSQL_HOST_PERM}' identified by '$MYSQLPASS';
[15-Jun-2007 10:44:58] <_zack> grant super, file on *.* to '$MYSQLUSER'@'${MYSQL_HOST_PERM}';
[15-Jun-2007 10:45:03] <_zack> the first line is fine
[15-Jun-2007 10:45:14] <_zack> but the second seems to me to grant all permissions on all databases to the zenoss user
[15-Jun-2007 10:45:21] <_zack> is this expected/needed?
[15-Jun-2007 10:48:17] <cluther> _zack: hmm.. those permissions are required for the run_zeneventbuild function to install the triggers. Unfortunately MySQL 5 requires super and file privileges to create triggers.
[15-Jun-2007 10:48:38] <cluther> _zack: I think the super, file permissions could be removed after the install.
[15-Jun-2007 10:48:51] <_zack> cluther: ah, ok
[15-Jun-2007 10:48:59] <Bulwinkle> cluther: are you helping in development (coding) or mainly with support issues?
[15-Jun-2007 10:49:09] <cluther> _zack: I'm not totally sure on this though.. I'm not sure if any special privileges on the mysql database are required to run triggers.
[15-Jun-2007 10:49:18] <cluther> Bulwinkle: support.
[15-Jun-2007 10:49:29] <_zack> cluther: i'll check that
[15-Jun-2007 10:49:32] <_zack> thanks
[15-Jun-2007 10:51:16] <Bulwinkle> cluther: congrats, I haven't found anyone here that knows as much as you... They need the help I know. Once I move my system to production we'll buy a support contract for sure and maybe even go for some training.
[15-Jun-2007 10:52:16] <creiht> cluther is quite the bundle of zenoss knowledge
[15-Jun-2007 10:52:17] <cluther> cluther: Great.. I'll probably be part of the training so I look forward to meeting you.
[15-Jun-2007 10:53:13] <_zack> cluther: still, why give them on *.*?, wouldn't it be enough to give them on the zenoss database?
[15-Jun-2007 10:53:19] <_zack> AFAIK triggers are database-specific
[15-Jun-2007 10:53:54] <cluther> _zack: You'd think that, but it does something on the mysql database too.
[15-Jun-2007 10:54:26] <cluther> _zack: We could probably do super,file on mysql.**something**
[15-Jun-2007 10:54:52] <cluther> _zack: Will have to do some research on that, you raise a good question.
[15-Jun-2007 10:55:08] <_zack> cluther: actually, I'm going to fill a ticket, is it ok?
[15-Jun-2007 10:55:21] <Bulwinkle> cluther: is there a way to check all of the windows services you want to monitor and add them all at once?
[15-Jun-2007 10:55:24] <cluther> _zack: Definitely. That's a good way to make sure nobody forgets about it.
[15-Jun-2007 10:55:38] <_zack> cluther: ack
[15-Jun-2007 10:55:52] <cluther> _zack: If you could figure out exactly what permissions are required to run the SQL scripts in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenEvents/db/*.sql it would really help!
[15-Jun-2007 10:56:09] <bzed> _zack, cluther: probably http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/triggers-table.html that's the reason for those perms
[15-Jun-2007 10:56:09] <adytum-bot> Title: MySQL AB :: MySQL 5.0 Reference Manual :: 20.16 The INFORMATION_SCHEMA TRIGGERS Table (at dev.mysql.com)
[15-Jun-2007 10:56:10] <bzed> is there anything checking iof those triggers exist/...!?
[15-Jun-2007 10:57:12] <_zack> cluther: will do, I'm writing the setup scripts for debian packages...
[15-Jun-2007 10:57:29] <cluther> _zack: Are you working with bzed?
[15-Jun-2007 10:57:42] <_zack> cluther: yep, he is in front of me at DebConf7
[15-Jun-2007 10:57:49] <cluther> Cool. =}
[15-Jun-2007 10:58:04] <creiht> _zack: Smack him on the back of the head for me
[15-Jun-2007 10:58:18] <_zack> creiht: I prefer to avoid that, if you don't mind
[15-Jun-2007 10:58:23] <creiht> hehe
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:01] <bzed> creiht: do you have to handle my bug reports?
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:08] <creiht> hehe
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:09] <creiht> no
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:14] <creiht> just saying hi
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:15] <creiht>
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:23] <creiht> And looking forward to debian packages
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:27] <bzed> ah ok
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:36] <creiht> How far out are you guys?
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:46] <cluther> bzed: The guys who handle your bug reports would rather shake your hand than smack you in the head.
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:52] <creiht> hehe
[15-Jun-2007 11:00:06] <bzed> cluther: they should come over to edinburgh
[15-Jun-2007 11:00:08] <creiht> I'm just a nobody that hangs out on the IRC channel
[15-Jun-2007 11:01:13] <bzed> cluther: https://debconf7.debconf.org/wiki/Main_Page
[15-Jun-2007 11:01:13] <adytum-bot> Title: Main Page - DebConf7 (at debconf7.debconf.org)
[15-Jun-2007 11:02:25] <Bulwinkle> cluther: just 5 minutes of your time got my dashboard clear of all configuration issues... THANKS!
[15-Jun-2007 11:03:19] <_zack> cluther: ticket opened, http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/1674
[15-Jun-2007 11:03:19] <adytum-bot> Title: #1674 (too broad mysql permissions to the zenoss database user) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[15-Jun-2007 11:04:39] <cluther> bzed: Shoot.. had I only heard about this farther in advance. She's a huge golfer and would have loved a trip to Scotland.
[15-Jun-2007 11:04:55] <cluther> bzed: heh.. my wife that is.. her birthday this weekend.
[15-Jun-2007 11:07:41] <bzed> cluther: you shold read your -dev list better
[15-Jun-2007 11:07:53] <giesen> cluther: just the zenoss server
[15-Jun-2007 11:08:34] <cluther> bzed: I'm not a developer. =}
[15-Jun-2007 11:10:04] <bzed> me neither
[15-Jun-2007 11:20:22] <Aziraphale> are they all wearing their debian tartan kilts then?
[15-Jun-2007 11:25:07] <bzed> the people who've ordered one are waering it, definitely.
[15-Jun-2007 11:26:09] <bzed> http://gallery.mcmillan.net.nz/v/Travels/Scotland07/Debconf7/General/?g2_page=2 << there're some kilt photos
[15-Jun-2007 11:26:09] <adytum-bot> Title: McMillan Gallery: General Conference Photos (at gallery.mcmillan.net.nz)
[15-Jun-2007 11:26:57] <bzed> http://bzed.de/blog/debcamp_hacklab yesterday's hacklab
[15-Jun-2007 11:26:58] <bzed> photo of our new room will be online later
[15-Jun-2007 11:43:18] <_zack> cluther: have a look at the previos ticket, I tested which premissions are required to executed the sql scripts
[15-Jun-2007 11:44:07] <cluther> _zack: Thanks!
[15-Jun-2007 11:45:34] <_zack> summary: super on *.* is needed, file is not
[15-Jun-2007 11:48:18] <_zack> i'm going to test on a live installation if both permission can be relaxed after the installation....
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[15-Jun-2007 13:18:32] <|__rb__|> kl
[15-Jun-2007 13:19:17] <|__rb__|> does anyone know how I can graph cisco interfaces serial/ethernet on zenoss, thanks,
[15-Jun-2007 13:22:10] <solarce> very carefully?
[15-Jun-2007 13:22:28] <cluther> |__rb__|: Which Zenoss version?
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[15-Jun-2007 14:01:52] <_zack> cluther: i'm now running a zenoss without the super/file privileges (which were however needed to install it), everything seems to be fine
[15-Jun-2007 14:02:05] <_zack> any particular test you think I should perform to ensure it's actually the case?
[15-Jun-2007 14:04:04] <cluther> _zack: Move some events to history.
[15-Jun-2007 14:04:54] <|__rb__|> hi cluther, it's zen 1.0
[15-Jun-2007 14:05:13] <cluther> |__rb__|: Ethernet interfaces are graphed by default, go to the OS tab and choose one of them.
[15-Jun-2007 14:05:55] <cluther> |__rb__|: To get graphing on you serial interfaces go to the PerfConf tab of /Devices and copy the ethernetCsmacd template, paste it, then rename it to serialPointToPoint.
[15-Jun-2007 14:06:08] <|__rb__|> AH!!! genious
[15-Jun-2007 14:06:10] <cluther> |__rb__|: Then restart the zenperfsnmp daemon.
[15-Jun-2007 14:06:35] <|__rb__|> I was looking in the perf for the graphs
[15-Jun-2007 14:06:38] <cluther> |__rb__|: 2.0 automatically graphs all interface types.. you have to tell it which ones you don't want to graph. I think this makes more sense.
[15-Jun-2007 14:06:52] <|__rb__|> sure, I will upgrade probably soon
[15-Jun-2007 14:06:56] <cluther> |__rb__|: You're going to have to get used to things being done the right way.. =}
[15-Jun-2007 14:07:26] <|__rb__|> nice, thanks cluther
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[15-Jun-2007 14:08:09] <_zack> cluther: uhm, what's the expected behaviour ... nothins is happening here
[15-Jun-2007 14:08:39] <cluther> _zack: The events should be removed from the event list and put into the "History" list.
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[15-Jun-2007 14:29:55] <|__rb__|> cluther, is that the same for multilink??
[15-Jun-2007 14:30:39] <cluther> |__rb__|: Interfaces are graphed according to what the template named after their "type" says. If you go into one of your multilink interfaces, what is the type set to?
[15-Jun-2007 14:31:37] <|__rb__|> type is ppp
[15-Jun-2007 14:31:53] <cluther> |__rb__|: So you'd just make a copy of that ethernetCsmacd template and name it "ppp"
[15-Jun-2007 14:32:47] <cluther> |__rb__|: Make sense?
[15-Jun-2007 14:32:58] <|__rb__|> there is alredy a ppp performance template, but it seems empty, should I just copy the ethernetCsmacd and name it ppp?
[15-Jun-2007 14:33:09] <|__rb__|> yep
[15-Jun-2007 14:33:19] <cluther> |__rb__|: Yep.. of course you'd have to delete the empty ppp template first.
[15-Jun-2007 14:34:01] <cluther> |__rb__|: If the multilink interface doesn't contains the same OIDs as an ethernetCsmacd interface there may be problems, but I think that they have the same basic OIDs.
[15-Jun-2007 14:34:08] <|__rb__|> nice
[15-Jun-2007 14:34:09] <cluther> throughput/packets/errors..
[15-Jun-2007 14:34:41] <cluther> |__rb__|: Once you start to do VLANs and stuff like that you have to remove the error related data sources and graphs from the template since virtual interfaces don't have errors.
[15-Jun-2007 14:34:52] <|__rb__|> do I need to restart the zenpefsnmp??
[15-Jun-2007 14:37:01] <cluther> |__rb__|: Yeah.. in 1.0 zenperfsnmp only grabs a new config every 20 minutes so impatient people like me just restart it for quicker satisfaction.
[15-Jun-2007 14:37:01] <cluther> |__rb__|: 2.0 pushes the changes to the collectors on the fly.
[15-Jun-2007 14:37:01] <|__rb__|> ah, me too
[15-Jun-2007 14:37:01] <|__rb__|> I tried upgrading yesterday..........and an unsuccessfull upgrade, I found the upgrade 1.0 to 2.0 how to
[15-Jun-2007 14:37:01] <cluther> |__rb__|: You'd have to be the luckiest person on earth to manage that without the instructions.
[15-Jun-2007 14:37:18] <cluther> |__rb__|: Most upgrades are very straightforward, but they changes the internal database structure in 2.0 to get some serious performance improvements.
[15-Jun-2007 14:38:12] <|__rb__|> kewl, I'm just experimenting with zenoss right now, nagios seems to be a little too complicated for some people
[15-Jun-2007 14:38:44] <|__rb__|> I just added the serial and multilink, hopefully I can start seeing the graphs soom.
[15-Jun-2007 14:39:07] <|__rb__|> how did you run acrosss zenoss, I've been a big nagios fan, but this seems very nice also.
[15-Jun-2007 14:42:49] <cluther> |__rb__|: I was running Nagios previously with much success, but I got tired of maintaining it.
[15-Jun-2007 14:43:12] <cluther> |__rb__|: I was actually looking for Zabbix to trial it when I ran across Zenoss.
[15-Jun-2007 14:43:13] <|__rb__|> yep
[15-Jun-2007 14:43:27] <|__rb__|> it's pretty fun though, I really liked the external command options,
[15-Jun-2007 14:43:35] <cluther> |__rb__|: After deploying Zenoss at my company and running it for a few months I actually joined Zenoss, Inc.
[15-Jun-2007 14:43:36] <|__rb__|> but hated the nrpe client installs,
[15-Jun-2007 14:43:44] <|__rb__|> oh, nice
[15-Jun-2007 14:44:10] <hspcd> hi peeps: does anyone have knowledge on how to disable alerts for events that are ack'd? I just had about 150 messages sent to my pager after ack'ing the events in Zenoss Core 2
[15-Jun-2007 14:44:13] <|__rb__|> we're kinda evaluating it now, I had a call into your sales yesterday, to maybe purchase the enterprise endition
[15-Jun-2007 14:44:31] <|__rb__|> edition
[15-Jun-2007 14:46:00] <cluther> hspcd: Ack'ing an event will make Zenoss send out a CLEAR to anyone who got the original failure alert..
[15-Jun-2007 14:46:35] <cluther> hspcd: There actually isn't a way to disable the sending of CLEARs at the moment.
[15-Jun-2007 14:46:51] <hspcd> cluther: is that a planned 'feature' to be added?
[15-Jun-2007 14:46:52] <creiht> cluther: acking, or sending to history? I didn't think acking would send out clear pages
[15-Jun-2007 14:47:12] <cluther> creiht is right.. nevermind me.
[15-Jun-2007 14:47:19] <creiht> heh
[15-Jun-2007 14:47:25] <hspcd> ok, I did also send them to history
[15-Jun-2007 14:47:41] <hspcd> is there a way to change this or is it a planned enhancement for the future?
[15-Jun-2007 14:47:55] <hspcd> btw, Zenoss Core2 is very nice
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:09] <creiht> hspcd: cool... I still need to check out 2.0
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:11] <cluther> hspcd: You're not the first person to request it. I don't recall seeing a ticket on it though, which is the way things actually get done.
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:25] <cluther> hspcd: I'll stick a ticket in there for it.
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:29] <hspcd> can I create a ticket as a Community User?
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:30] <creiht> And yes that would be a nice thing to have
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:31] <hspcd> ok
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:32] <hspcd> cool
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:45] <cluther> hspcd: You can! In fact if you'd like to do it, go right ahead.
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:55] <hspcd> cluther and creight: thanks for all of your help lately too
[15-Jun-2007 14:49:03] <cluther> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/
[15-Jun-2007 14:49:03] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[15-Jun-2007 14:51:28] <hspcd> can't seem to find a 'register' link on Trac, so I can't submit a ticket
[15-Jun-2007 14:55:33] <cluther> search for "add ticket"
[15-Jun-2007 14:55:45] <cluther> There is a community login to deter blog spam bots.
[15-Jun-2007 14:57:14] <Bulwinkle> How do I create a global alerting rule?
[15-Jun-2007 15:03:53] <cluther> Bulwinkle: What do you mean by that? An alerting rule that alerts on anything going wrong?
[15-Jun-2007 15:04:20] <Bulwinkle> cluther: one that alerts everyone on a given condition
[15-Jun-2007 15:05:01] <cluther> Bulwinkle: You can't.. you'd have to add the rule to each user. Hold on for a few minutes and I'll give you a tip for getting around this.
[15-Jun-2007 15:05:10] <Bulwinkle> okay
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:06] <creiht> Bulwinkle: You can create the alert for the user, and then go to the Zope management interface and copy and paste that rule to other users
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:25] <Bulwinkle> creiht: cool... thanks
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:34] <creiht> so
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:38] <creiht> after you add the alert
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:46] <creiht> open up the user that has that alert
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:50] <creiht> and then add
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:52] <creiht> /manage
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:55] <creiht> to the end of the url
[15-Jun-2007 15:09:04] <creiht> you can then check the alert you created
[15-Jun-2007 15:09:06] <creiht> click copy
[15-Jun-2007 15:09:18] <creiht> click on ZenUsers in your path at the top
[15-Jun-2007 15:09:31] <creiht> and then go into each users' folder
[15-Jun-2007 15:09:33] <creiht> and click paste
[15-Jun-2007 15:10:36] <Bulwinkle> thats pretty cool
[15-Jun-2007 15:11:50] <creiht> I have a ticket in for them to have something like that where you can define alerts, and then assign users to those alerts
[15-Jun-2007 15:12:08] <creiht> And I have bugged them several times about it
[15-Jun-2007 15:12:22] <creiht> I can understand though how it is probably a lower priority
[15-Jun-2007 15:12:55] <creiht> That workaround works fairly well though until they do something like that
[15-Jun-2007 15:13:20] <creiht> One thing to keep in mind is that if you change one after you have copied and paste, you will either have to copy and paste again, or change all the others as well
[15-Jun-2007 15:13:22] <Bulwinkle> I'd like to enter a feature where you can change the monitoring state to "true" for all of the services checked in the OS tab
[15-Jun-2007 15:13:49] <Bulwinkle> creiht: I see
[15-Jun-2007 15:15:46] <|__rb__|> what's a good rule to only allow for user to see the graphs? ZenUser or ZenMonitor?
[15-Jun-2007 15:17:12] <|__rb__|> rule=role
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[15-Jun-2007 15:41:58] <BATHORY> Hi
[15-Jun-2007 15:42:29] <BATHORY> anybody here are using the new version of zenoss, 2.0?
[15-Jun-2007 15:42:34] <bzed> cluther: btw, say hello to the developers from us, and greetings from edinburgh
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[15-Jun-2007 17:05:50] <bzed> cluther: ping
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[15-Jun-2007 22:15:39] <mathrock> Anyone here able to answer a question on device discovery / device classes?
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[16-Jun-2007 12:39:48] <andrew_p> how do it ignore an event ("sendto error short format requires 0<=number<=USHRT_MAX" error on freebsd is rather annoying; it was promised to fixed in 2.0..)? mapping it to /Ignore eventClass does not do the trick
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[16-Jun-2007 13:14:26] <monrad> is there a way to eg reload the ethernetCsmacd template if i deleted it
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[17-Jun-2007 00:20:18] <hspc1> Hi folks
[17-Jun-2007 00:21:10] <hspc1> I think I have a simple question here. I get alerts about snmp being down on hosts over a WAN connection rather frequently. Is there a way to increase the timeout for snmp checks to avoid these alerts? They usually clear a minute later.
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[17-Jun-2007 05:56:19] <jailbreaker> hey guys
[17-Jun-2007 05:56:45] <jailbreaker> need to know if there is a way to show hostname, or any other id on the performance graphs ?
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[17-Jun-2007 06:59:33] <jailbreaker> need to know if there is a way to show hostname, or any other device id on the performance graphs ?
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[17-Jun-2007 10:27:31] <jailbreaker> guys, I need to know if there is a way to show hostname, or any other device id on the performance graphs ?
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[17-Jun-2007 11:17:18] <b52laptop> Ã��¸Ã��Ã�ª #Ã��Ã�¦Ã��Ã�«Ã��…Ã��Ã�¹Ã��„
[17-Jun-2007 11:17:28] <b52laptop> oups sorry ...
[17-Jun-2007 11:50:23] <iuso> wow, my terminal can display most of those characters
[17-Jun-2007 11:55:36] <b52laptop> using irssi ?
[17-Jun-2007 11:55:52] <b52laptop> the characters are "arabic letters"
[17-Jun-2007 12:15:45] <Aziraphale> here too
[17-Jun-2007 12:15:55] <Aziraphale> apart from the hash
[17-Jun-2007 12:33:59] <jailbreaker> guys, I need to know if there is a way to show hostname, or any other device id on the performance graphs ?
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[17-Jun-2007 13:53:58] <jailbreaker> guys, I need to know if there is a way to show hostname, or any other device id on the performance graphs ?
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[17-Jun-2007 16:38:22] <jailbreaker> and again\
[17-Jun-2007 16:38:23] <jailbreaker> guys, I need to know if there is a way to show hostname, or any other device id on the performance graphs ?
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[17-Jun-2007 17:21:38] <nassy> hi
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[17-Jun-2007 17:24:43] <nassy> i installed zenoss virtual machine on my LAN at home. it found 2 devices with snmp: the virtual machine itself, and my router. i see performance graphs for the virtual machine. i don't see any performance graphs for the router. i see a few interface threshold for the router. what do i need to do to active performance graphing. zenoss has been running for several days now
[17-Jun-2007 17:25:15] <nassy> i don't see any errors in event log, or zenperfsnmp
[17-Jun-2007 17:25:48] <nassy> that should read: what do i need to do to activate performance graphs
[17-Jun-2007 17:26:32] <nassy> ie, how do i tell it to graph the activity on the network interface
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[17-Jun-2007 19:10:08] <oakleeman> just installed zenoss 2.0 yesterday and added some machines to monitor
[17-Jun-2007 19:10:22] <oakleeman> know what could cause a 3-4 hr gap in the graphs
[17-Jun-2007 19:10:34] <oakleeman> in almost everything i'm monitoring
[17-Jun-2007 19:10:36] <oakleeman> ?
[17-Jun-2007 19:11:14] <monrad> watched the load on the machine?
[17-Jun-2007 19:12:37] <oakleeman> no, just now noticed the gap
[17-Jun-2007 19:12:59] <oakleeman> and the perf graphs are empty for the host
[17-Jun-2007 19:15:16] <oakleeman> looks like a gap in the perf graphs for the other servers too
[17-Jun-2007 19:15:40] <oakleeman> host machine is a P4-2.2 with 2GB of ram
[17-Jun-2007 19:15:45] <oakleeman> i'll try to keep an eye on the load
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[17-Jun-2007 21:25:20] <hanxin> hello, anyone here?
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[18-Jun-2007 04:17:46] <hanxin> hello, anyone has used non-English chars in zenoss?
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[18-Jun-2007 06:33:19] <_zack> regarding the IRC meeting of today: is 2 pm new york time? shouldn't that be EDT instead of EST?
[18-Jun-2007 06:45:46] <kompressor> what is the default username and password for the zenoss virtual appliance?
[18-Jun-2007 06:45:49] <kompressor> :-(
[18-Jun-2007 06:47:13] <jailbreaker__> uname: admin pwd: zenoss
[18-Jun-2007 06:47:20] <jailbreaker__> thats for the web ui
[18-Jun-2007 06:47:26] <jailbreaker__> AND its in the docs
[18-Jun-2007 06:47:44] <kompressor> jailbreaker__ and for the console?
[18-Jun-2007 06:47:52] <jailbreaker__> root no pass
[18-Jun-2007 06:48:17] <jailbreaker__> thats also in the docs ...
[18-Jun-2007 06:48:43] <kompressor> jailbreaker__, thanx :-) didnt download the docs...will do now
[18-Jun-2007 06:51:42] <kompressor> wow version 2.0 looks good :-)
[18-Jun-2007 06:52:52] <jailbreaker__> culd someone tell if there is a way for the performance graph to include a "label" with the device id ?
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[18-Jun-2007 07:41:33] <kompressor> hi cluther version 2.0 web interface looks good hey...
[18-Jun-2007 07:41:52] <cluther> morning, kompressor.
[18-Jun-2007 07:42:06] <kompressor> i guess the older versions admin guide does no longer apply for this version
[18-Jun-2007 07:42:37] <cluther> A lot of it still does, but the new admin guide is more complete.
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[18-Jun-2007 07:43:05] <kompressor> yes...ill have to download the new one just now
[18-Jun-2007 07:43:48] <cluther> It's getting to be quite a novel. 146 pages last time I checked.
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[18-Jun-2007 07:44:22] <kompressor> :-) eish
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[18-Jun-2007 08:58:36] <herbaliser> when i try to run the install script under ubuntu 7.04 feisty i get the error unable to find "patch" program anybody know how i can resolve this
[18-Jun-2007 08:59:38] <cluther_> herbaliser: You need the patch program.. I forget the name of the Ubuntu package.. try installing either the patch package or diffutils
[18-Jun-2007 09:01:19] <herbaliser> sudo apt-cache search patch return result --> maybe package name is simply patch
[18-Jun-2007 09:01:30] <herbaliser> will try
[18-Jun-2007 09:03:10] <herbaliser> patch it is
[18-Jun-2007 09:04:02] <herbaliser> tnx cluther
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[18-Jun-2007 11:12:33] <npmccallum> is it possible to have separate nodes which do the various scanning, etc and report back to the central admin host?
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[18-Jun-2007 11:15:21] <Bulwinkle> npmccallum: yes
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[18-Jun-2007 11:17:38] <creiht> npmccallum: I believe there is a section in the downloadable docs on how to do that
[18-Jun-2007 11:17:46] <creiht> I have not done it before though
[18-Jun-2007 11:18:08] <creiht> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs
[18-Jun-2007 11:18:08] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[18-Jun-2007 11:18:10] <creiht> It will be in the Zenoss Guide
[18-Jun-2007 11:18:26] <_zack> about the irc meeting: is that 2 pm new york time?
[18-Jun-2007 11:19:11] <creiht> _zack: irc meeting?
[18-Jun-2007 11:19:42] <bzed> 2:00 p.m. EST
[18-Jun-2007 11:20:47] <bzed> _zack: 5 hours differences to here according to my worldtimeclock
[18-Jun-2007 11:20:51] <_zack> bzed: ack
[18-Jun-2007 11:21:22] <creiht> bzed: What is the IRC meeting about?
[18-Jun-2007 11:21:38] <bzed> do you never read the mailinglists or mark's blog?
[18-Jun-2007 11:21:44] <creiht> hehe
[18-Jun-2007 11:21:46] <creiht> sometimes
[18-Jun-2007 11:21:52] <creiht> I've been really busy lately with work
[18-Jun-2007 11:21:54] <creiht> checking now
[18-Jun-2007 11:22:21] <bzed> http://blog.zenoss.com/
[18-Jun-2007 11:22:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss Blog (at blog.zenoss.com)
[18-Jun-2007 11:22:29] <creiht> ahh
[18-Jun-2007 11:22:30] <creiht> cool
[18-Jun-2007 11:22:56] <creiht> adds the zenoss blog feed to his RSS reader
[18-Jun-2007 11:24:33] <creiht> I need to get back in the loop
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[18-Jun-2007 12:16:04] <rkagin> Once you install ZenOSS, where are the default templates used to determine which devices get queried in certain ways (i.e. certain data is collected)? I'm currently in $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/, but only see the devices I loaded, and pickles inside (I assume the pickles are used to instantiate what sort of data is collected from each of the devices).
[18-Jun-2007 12:24:12] <cluther_> rkagin: You're looking for the Templates tab for devices or device classes.
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[18-Jun-2007 12:29:15] <rkagin> cluther_: I guess I don't understand: how does ZenOSS set up the default template? Is there not a file that says only run zenping on the device or run zencommand and zenping or whatever else?
[18-Jun-2007 12:30:09] <cluther_> rkagin: No, there aren't any files that say that. Everything is controlled via the templates assigned to the devices and zProperties.
[18-Jun-2007 12:30:40] <cluther_> rkagin: The template assigned to a device depends on what device class you have put it in.
[18-Jun-2007 12:31:09] <cluther_> rkagin: For example, a device in /Devices/Server/Linux will have a template applied to it that queries the Net-SNMP MIB.
[18-Jun-2007 12:31:28] <rkagin> cluther_: But the very first time, when there are no devices, and you load your first device in, how does it know what sort of checks are done on it?
[18-Jun-2007 12:31:30] <cluther_> rkagin: Where as a device put into /Devices/Network/Router/Cisco will have Cisco specific OIDS monitored.
[18-Jun-2007 12:31:49] <cluther_> rkagin: There are default templates pre-loaded into different points in the device class hierarchy.
[18-Jun-2007 12:32:06] <rkagin> cluther_: Where are these pre-loaded templates located in the code?
[18-Jun-2007 12:32:10] <cluther_> rkagin: You can use them as-is, take example from them, or a mixture of the two..
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[18-Jun-2007 12:33:04] <rkagin> cluther_: My /Devices directory only contains the devices I have loaded, and that's it - there's no sub-directories (because I haven't loaded devices in them?). Are you saying that these subdirectory templates already exist somewhere else?
[18-Jun-2007 12:33:12] <cluther_> rkagin: They are loaded from XML. If you really want to see them in this form for some reason, take a look in the $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/data directory.
[18-Jun-2007 12:33:42] <cluther_> rkagin: You should have things like /Network, /Server, /Power located under /Devices.
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[18-Jun-2007 12:33:50] <cluther_> rkagin: If you don't, your installation didn't complete successfully.
[18-Jun-2007 12:35:05] <rkagin> Well currently I don't 100% control the installation, but right now I don't have access to the web-interface of zenoss, only ssh'ing into it.
[18-Jun-2007 12:36:55] <rkagin> In $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/, the directory only contains directories for each device (which contains a pickle file). There are no other directories like /Network, /Server, etc. However, when I snuck a preview at the web interface, I am pretty sure I saw the folders existing.
[18-Jun-2007 12:37:07] <rkagin> By any chance, is this a small change between 1.9.7 and 2.0.0?
[18-Jun-2007 12:37:19] <creiht> rkagin: Those two things are totally different
[18-Jun-2007 12:37:30] <creiht> The web interface is totally separate of what you see on disk
[18-Jun-2007 12:37:51] <creiht> You are not really going to be able to see much of anything through a terminal
[18-Jun-2007 12:38:23] <creiht> The devices are organized in the web interface, and that is also where you will be able to see the templates
[18-Jun-2007 12:39:10] <rkagin> creiht: Fair enough. I guess I should just think of my next question and you'll answer it without seeing it (which has happened for the other two questions I typed out and almost asked).
[18-Jun-2007 12:39:24] <creiht> haha
[18-Jun-2007 12:40:22] <creiht> off to lunch
[18-Jun-2007 12:40:23] <creiht> bbl
[18-Jun-2007 12:40:39] <rkagin> creiht: Thanks for the help.
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[18-Jun-2007 12:47:48] <rkagin> cluther_: I guess I'm going to have to wait until I get access to the web-interface to view what queries are made. This is just under the perf tab, no?
[18-Jun-2007 12:49:19] <cluther_> Under 2.0 we renamed PerfConf to Templates.
[18-Jun-2007 12:49:27] <cluther_> That's where the definitions of what to monitor will be.
[18-Jun-2007 12:49:32] <cluther_> The Perf tab will have the resulting graphs.
[18-Jun-2007 12:50:06] <rkagin> Ok. I think we're still messing with 1.9.7, as I'm not responsible for updating the image to 2.0.0.
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[18-Jun-2007 13:07:24] <rkagin> Is there a view where you can see all templates, or do you have to go to each directory to view what template is used for that hierarchy?
[18-Jun-2007 13:07:52] <cluther> rkagin: Sure.. click on the menu icon (little down triangle) choose More->All Templates.
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[18-Jun-2007 13:11:07] <rkagin> cluther: I feel like an idiot, but I don't see this alleged "More" menu item. Just Main Views, Classes, Browse By, and Management (and their subsequent submenus).
[18-Jun-2007 13:11:32] <cluther> Up at the top of the table to the left of the "Classes" tab.
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[18-Jun-2007 13:14:11] <rkagin> cluther: Gotcha - was thinking of the wrong triangle (the one that drops down the Main Views, etc. menu).
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[18-Jun-2007 13:24:50] <Dislo> hey guys has anyone tried to install zenoss on gentoo
[18-Jun-2007 13:25:53] <solarce> one guy started about a month ago, he's still waiting for it to finish compiling :>
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[18-Jun-2007 13:30:10] <Dislo> solarce, good on it only took me two days to compile not like kde which took forever
[18-Jun-2007 13:30:44] <solarce> :>
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[18-Jun-2007 13:30:55] <cluther> solarce:
[18-Jun-2007 13:31:07] <_chris__> wow
[18-Jun-2007 13:31:12] <_chris__> lookit all these zenoss people
[18-Jun-2007 13:31:13] <_chris__>
[18-Jun-2007 13:31:24] <Tomi> you can say that again !!!
[18-Jun-2007 13:31:50] <Dislo> _chris__, as see i thought you were talking about how it took me forever to compile kde3
[18-Jun-2007 13:32:02] <Dislo> _chris__, kde*
[18-Jun-2007 13:32:14] <_chris__>
[18-Jun-2007 13:33:13] <Dislo> so i take it there isnt anyone stupid enough to help me out with zenoss gentoo problem in here
[18-Jun-2007 13:33:25] <_chris__> i can try
[18-Jun-2007 13:33:30] <_chris__> but i've been away from the gentoo for awhile....
[18-Jun-2007 13:33:34] <zombor> can anyone help me out with a problem? I'm trying to install, and I get this error "make: *** [pycrypto-install] Error 1" I am using debian
[18-Jun-2007 13:33:58] <_chris__> zombor: tail -200 zenbuild.log
[18-Jun-2007 13:35:02] <zombor> _chris__: http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5035
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[18-Jun-2007 13:35:10] <zombor> i installed python-dev
[18-Jun-2007 13:35:40] <_chris__> zombor: you need to remove some of your pr0n
[18-Jun-2007 13:35:43] <_chris__> zombor: /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: No space left on device
[18-Jun-2007 13:36:03] <_chris__> zombor: just to be safe you can mail it to me and i'll keep a backup of it for you ;-)
[18-Jun-2007 13:36:14] <zombor> eh, no pr0n
[18-Jun-2007 13:36:20] <zombor> its a virtual machine hosted somewhere else
[18-Jun-2007 13:36:35] <zombor> um
[18-Jun-2007 13:36:47] <_chris__> zombor: df -h and look for something that's 100% full
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[18-Jun-2007 13:36:56] <zombor> /
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:01] <zombor> =/
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:30] <zombor> what is it trying to do to / ?
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:40] <_chris__> it's installing to /usr/local/zenoss
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:43] <zombor> i have GBs available in /usr
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:43] <_chris__> which could be on /
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:49] <Dislo> zombor, also try df on the machine that it is on
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:50] <_chris__> where is your download?
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:55] <_chris__> is it in /home/blah/zenoss?
[18-Jun-2007 13:38:00] <_chris__> sometimes /home is on /
[18-Jun-2007 13:38:04] <zombor> _chris__: yes, /root/
[18-Jun-2007 13:38:08] <zombor> oh
[18-Jun-2007 13:38:10] <zombor> drr
[18-Jun-2007 13:38:13] <_chris__> yup
[18-Jun-2007 13:38:14] <_chris__>
[18-Jun-2007 13:38:34] * zombor will move it to /home and try again
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[18-Jun-2007 13:39:58] <Dislo> ok so i am running zenoss on a vm and i cant get zenmodeler zenperfsnmp and zenprocess
[18-Jun-2007 13:40:01] <Dislo> to start
[18-Jun-2007 13:40:12] <_chris__> Dislo: what's in their logfiles? ($ZENHOME/log)
[18-Jun-2007 13:41:35] <Dislo> _chris__, there arent any
[18-Jun-2007 13:43:05] <Dislo> http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5036
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[18-Jun-2007 13:43:18] <solarce> edahl: I don't have any questions, I just want to say thanks for choosing to provide a VMware Appliance, it made it an easy sell to my boss to setup a test deployment, and thanks in general for making zenoss happen
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[18-Jun-2007 13:43:42] <_chris__> Dislo: what happens when you run "zenperfsnmp run -v 10"?
[18-Jun-2007 13:43:45] <zombor> _chris__: looks like its working, thanks
[18-Jun-2007 13:44:00] <_chris__> zombor: cool
[18-Jun-2007 13:44:14] <zombor> btw, it would be nice to have a debian package?
[18-Jun-2007 13:44:32] <_chris__> zombor: it's coming....
[18-Jun-2007 13:44:40] <zombor> ah
[18-Jun-2007 13:44:49] <zombor> =)
[18-Jun-2007 13:45:48] <_zack> is the question time already open?
[18-Jun-2007 13:47:10] <Dislo> _chris__, http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5037
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[18-Jun-2007 13:47:26] <rkagin> For anyone familiar with the templates, what's the difference between the default performance template OSProcess in /Devices (the CPU utilization monitor) and the default template Device in /Devices/Server (the CPU utilization monitor)? If some device is in /Devices/Server, is this just a duplicate monitor of the same information?
[18-Jun-2007 13:47:42] <_chris__> Dislo: what happens when you run "echo $ZENHOME"?
[18-Jun-2007 13:48:08] <Dislo> nothing it is a blank line
[18-Jun-2007 13:48:15] <_chris__> Dislo: that's a problem
[18-Jun-2007 13:48:33] <_chris__> Dislo: do you have a ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile that sets ZENHOME?
[18-Jun-2007 13:48:52] <_chris__> looks like you're running as root
[18-Jun-2007 13:48:53] <Dislo> no i just exported it into path i will go fix that
[18-Jun-2007 13:48:58] <_chris__> you should be running as the zenoss user
[18-Jun-2007 13:49:01] <_chris__> zenoss doesn't need root
[18-Jun-2007 13:49:15] <_chris__> for root stuff it uses a single setuid root program (zensocket) to do it's root business.
[18-Jun-2007 13:50:40] <Dislo> ok
[18-Jun-2007 13:51:37] <Aziraphale> rkagin: hmm, there are no oids in OsProcess, chances are it does bugger all
[18-Jun-2007 13:52:13] <rkagin> Aziraphale: So is the /Devices/Server check on CPU utilization a duplicate of the data?
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[18-Jun-2007 13:55:18] <Dislo> _chris__, do i need to set anything up with zensocket or is it already taken care of
[18-Jun-2007 13:55:21] <Aziraphale> duplicate of which data?
[18-Jun-2007 13:55:27] <joshb> Dislo: its already taken care of..
[18-Jun-2007 13:55:43] <Dislo> joshb, thanks
[18-Jun-2007 13:56:36] <rkagin> Aziraphale: /Devices/OSProcess collects CPU utilization, and /Devices/Server/Device collects CPU utilization as well. Is there a difference in this data, given that a device in /Devices/Server would have both templates acting on it?
[18-Jun-2007 13:57:28] <Aziraphale> OSProcess collects nothing, it has no OIDs
[18-Jun-2007 13:57:53] <cluther> Aziraphale: OSProcess is a special template handled by the zenprocess daemon. It does collect per-process CPU utilization and memory usage.
[18-Jun-2007 13:58:16] <cluther> rkagin: The data isn't duplicate.. OSProcess is per-process utilization, Device is for the whole OS.
[18-Jun-2007 13:58:26] <Aziraphale> cluther: where's the data coming from, without OISs?
[18-Jun-2007 13:58:30] <Aziraphale> OIDs even
[18-Jun-2007 13:58:48] <cluther> Aziraphale: The zenprocess daemons knows what the OIDs are, and has some specific logic to handle changing PIDs, etc..
[18-Jun-2007 13:59:04] <Aziraphale> cluther: oh, ok
[18-Jun-2007 13:59:36] <rkagin> cluther: Is this same delineation made between OSProcess and the Device template in /Network/Router/Cisco ?
[18-Jun-2007 13:59:54] <bzed> hey Mark-Zenoss
[18-Jun-2007 14:00:04] <bzed> got my mail?
[18-Jun-2007 14:00:07] <cluther> rkagin: It is made everywhere, but Cisco's don't expose the same per-process OIDs that servers do.
[18-Jun-2007 14:00:23] <Mark-Zenoss> Hi this is Mark the Zenoss Community Manager, we have Erik Dahl the Zenoss project lead here to answer any questions you like today
[18-Jun-2007 14:00:44] <Mark-Zenoss> hey bernd..got your mail, trying to figure out Amazon.de
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[18-Jun-2007 14:02:09] <joshb> hi
[18-Jun-2007 14:02:13] <_zack> hi all
[18-Jun-2007 14:02:17] <Mark-Zenoss> hey fellas
[18-Jun-2007 14:02:33] <Erik-Zenoss> these are really easy questions
[18-Jun-2007 14:02:36] <Erik-Zenoss>
[18-Jun-2007 14:02:42] <_zack> what's the process? moderation? open question time?
[18-Jun-2007 14:02:46] <joshb> so.. are there any plans to include some sort of "sysadmin log" that would be user defined per device?
[18-Jun-2007 14:03:09] <joshb> or is that beyond the scope of zen?
[18-Jun-2007 14:03:22] <Mark-Zenoss> just let your questions fly zack
[18-Jun-2007 14:03:24] <Erik-Zenoss> not sure I understand
[18-Jun-2007 14:03:28] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: ok
[18-Jun-2007 14:03:56] <Erik-Zenoss> do you mean something liek syslog?
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:16] <joshb> sorry.. well, most sysadmins keep "journals" of important changes to servers.. (ram failed, sysadmin replaced ram on 6/19/07, etc)
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:18] <_zack> my question is about the communication mechanism between zenoss.com and the community, I'll cut and paste my question (sorry for not posting this before on the blog post)
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:26] <_zack> I really like your company policy, in my mind you are one of the few which were able to merge *real* open source quality code and business.
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:26] <_zack> Nonethelss you are missing, IMO, an important bit in your community media: an open access wiki.
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:33] <_zack> That's why I opened http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/1647.
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:34] <_zack> Have you comment on that?
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:34] <_zack> Would you like to see such a wiki hosted by zenoss.com or even by third party (I'm volunteering on that) but at least supported by zenoss.com (with links and such)?
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[18-Jun-2007 14:04:51] <Erik-Zenoss> joshb: got it yes we would like to do something like that its kind like a trouble ticket system
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:55] <_zack> (take your time, I'm not in a hurry....)
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:59] <joshb> yes, like a ticket system
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:02] <Erik-Zenoss> but maybe something a little lighter
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:05] <Mark-Zenoss> Zack, what can you do with a Wiki that you couldn't do with plone? Just curious
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:05] <joshb> yep
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:18] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: for example you can change the structure of the site
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:21] <Erik-Zenoss> I think there is a ticket for htis
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:21] <joshb> somethign that I could run a query against that would return all entries in the past month on serverX
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:37] <_zack> right now your community web site is rather rigid in what can be changes and what can't
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:41] <Erik-Zenoss> also we want to be able to load documents with a device
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:46] <Erik-Zenoss> like a contract or something like it
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:48] <joshb> ah yes
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:50] <joshb> good idea!
[18-Jun-2007 14:06:14] <Mark-Zenoss> zack, that's fair, I have your ticket in my todo list, and I am meeting with the webmasters today
[18-Jun-2007 14:06:29] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: cool
[18-Jun-2007 14:06:42] <_zack> please note that I'm not strictly asking additional work from you guys
[18-Jun-2007 14:06:44] <bzed> Mark-Zenoss: i meant the mail from yesterday
[18-Jun-2007 14:07:02] <_zack> if you won't do that fine, I can (maybe under the behalf of the debian packaging process)
[18-Jun-2007 14:07:12] <_zack> but a wiki to be succesful needs publicity from you
[18-Jun-2007 14:07:17] <joshb> Ok.. what about reporting? I would like to see more advanced reporting features (customized reports based on data that is polled).. for instance, it would be nice if I could run a report that would return all of my Dell Service tags..
[18-Jun-2007 14:07:26] <Mark-Zenoss> bernd, checking
[18-Jun-2007 14:07:33] <_zack> so if it should be hosted outside zenoss.com we would really need you guys to advertise it on your website
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:03] <Erik-Zenoss> joshb: you can make a custom device report today
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:07] <joshb> o rly
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:19] <Erik-Zenoss> joshb: they are device focused though
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:22] <joshb> sorry, I have been super busy and haven't been able to play around with 2.0 as much as I would like..
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:23] <Mark-Zenoss> well if someone hosts something on their own, I am glad to publicize
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:44] <joshb> hm
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:44] <Aziraphale> Hmm, I reckon it's to splintered already between fora, mailing lists and ticket system...
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:49] <Mark-Zenoss> maybe we should just setup a wiki as a sandbox for you guys and you do what you like without our oversight
[18-Jun-2007 14:09:07] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: ok then, consider my ticket as an offer to set up a wiki elsewhere, then we would just need a "wiki" link in the comunity part of zenoss.com
[18-Jun-2007 14:09:11] <creiht> Mark-Zenoss: Is that still available with Trac?
[18-Jun-2007 14:09:34] <bzed> trac should have a wiki function, or it should be easily addable
[18-Jun-2007 14:09:52] <creiht> bzed: They used to have the trac wiki setup earlier
[18-Jun-2007 14:09:54] <_zack> bzed: trac has one, but the trac on zenoss.com is developer only and there is no way to register new users
[18-Jun-2007 14:09:59] <joshb> Erik-Zenoss: so I wouldn't be able to do a service tag report?
[18-Jun-2007 14:10:01] <creiht> ahhh
[18-Jun-2007 14:10:02] <Mark-Zenoss> okay, thanks Zack, we would probably be able to give you for range on an account, like wiki.zenoss.com but let me ask our web guys first
[18-Jun-2007 14:10:09] <bzed> _zack: true
[18-Jun-2007 14:10:11] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: sure, np
[18-Jun-2007 14:10:12] <Mark-Zenoss> no, creiht, no more wiki on Trac
[18-Jun-2007 14:10:20] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: many thanks
[18-Jun-2007 14:10:33] <Mark-Zenoss> your welcome, Zack, thanks for the suggestions
[18-Jun-2007 14:11:02] <Erik-Zenoss> joshb: not sure what is in a "service tag report" but if you are talking abou t the tag on a device should be no problem
[18-Jun-2007 14:11:27] <joshb> gr, cluther, not registered
[18-Jun-2007 14:11:31] <joshb> but, im messing with it now
[18-Jun-2007 14:11:42] <joshb> Erik-Zenoss: yeah, it's contained in the "Serial No" field on the status page
[18-Jun-2007 14:11:46] <_zack> other question, on the technical side: any plans to add a "zenoss federation" feature which enable multiple zenoss installation reporting stuff to each other? It has been asked several times on the forum with no decent answer so far.... Is it available in commercial zenoss? Will it be in future versione of -core?
[18-Jun-2007 14:12:27] <joshb> cluther: so I would just need a custom query?"
[18-Jun-2007 14:13:50] <Aziraphale> Also, is there a plan to have event views tied to users (ie a pareticular user can only see one device group)?
[18-Jun-2007 14:13:53] <Erik-Zenoss> _zack: we have a unified dashboard that is part of the enterprise subscription. It shows a summary of many zenoss instances on one page. you can drill into each instance from the dashboard and switch between instances with a top level navigation (its in an iframe)
[18-Jun-2007 14:14:07] <rkagin> _zack: I was under the impression this is somewhat related to distributed ZenOSS. Am I mistaken here?
[18-Jun-2007 14:14:39] <_zack> Erik-Zenoss: cool, but is in that case the underlying architecture a "star" or you can have arbitrarily graphs of zenoss instances?
[18-Jun-2007 14:14:59] <_zack> Erik-Zenoss: also, any plans to include it in any free versions of Zenoss? (I would understand a "no" answer :-) )
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:00] <Erik-Zenoss> rkagin: it unifies multiple zenoss masters which may have sub-collectors underneath them
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:11] <Erik-Zenoss> not today
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:23] <Erik-Zenoss> we have to make $$ somehow
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:27] <_zack>
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:49] <_zack> sure, you guys already provided for a lot of free software, you rocks for that
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:50] <rkagin> Erik: Is that not having multiple zenoss installations reporting stuff to each other?
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:57] <Erik-Zenoss> thanks!
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:59] <_zack> it's just a pity when it's not clear what the plans are ....
[18-Jun-2007 14:16:15] <Mark-Zenoss> zack, we are having a meeting this afternoon to figure it out
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[18-Jun-2007 14:16:25] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: this = ?
[18-Jun-2007 14:16:27] <Mark-Zenoss> when we know we'll make sure to share
[18-Jun-2007 14:16:41] <Mark-Zenoss> in otherwords we don't have our roadmap quite worked out
[18-Jun-2007 14:16:48] <_zack> fair enough
[18-Jun-2007 14:17:22] <Mark-Zenoss> we didn't look much past getting 2.0 and now getting that feedback (of which there was a lot) will inform when and how we add features
[18-Jun-2007 14:17:28] <_zack> what about the network architecture of zenoss federations (if you can say): is it a star topology or arbitrary?
[18-Jun-2007 14:17:55] <bzed> I think you'll get at least a list of stuff that really needs some rewriting in our function, like most of the start/stop/other shellscripts
[18-Jun-2007 14:18:08] <Erik-Zenoss> rkagin: the multi-dashboard (code named ZenMom) rolls up the event summaries from each zenoss master. So you can see events from all instances
[18-Jun-2007 14:18:26] <Erik-Zenoss> this isn't performance reporting across multiple masters for instance
[18-Jun-2007 14:19:18] <Aziraphale> any ideas yet about IPv6 support?
[18-Jun-2007 14:19:29] <rkagin> Erik: In other words, I can't do performance monitoring across distributed ZenOSS systems, i.e. if I have one behind a firewall and one at the main server, I can't do a total performance check?
[18-Jun-2007 14:19:36] <Erik-Zenoss> bzed: our start/stop scripts are perfect.
[18-Jun-2007 14:19:44] <bzed> *cough*
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[18-Jun-2007 14:19:56] <_zack> LOL
[18-Jun-2007 14:20:33] <Mark-Zenoss> bzed - Last email I see from you is from Thursday...
[18-Jun-2007 14:20:38] <bzed> hmm
[18-Jun-2007 14:20:39] <bzed> weird
[18-Jun-2007 14:21:03] <joshb> cluther: oh, wow, that was easy how would I have known to use getHWSerialNumber if you hadn't of told me?
[18-Jun-2007 14:21:04] <Mark-Zenoss> could be my mobile email munged my mail if you can resend I will gladly respond
[18-Jun-2007 14:21:05] <Erik-Zenoss> IPv6 when it comes to the top of the priority list. lots of ways things can get there. haven't thought about what implementing it would really mean
[18-Jun-2007 14:21:22] <bzed> Mark-Zenoss: i hope I didn;t send it to any other random Mark then I mainly asked you if you were reading my blog and pointed you to http://bzed.de/blog/hacking_at_debconf
[18-Jun-2007 14:22:01] <creiht> bzed: You rock!
[18-Jun-2007 14:22:02] <Mark-Zenoss> Oh, I did see your Hacking at debconf post that's very cool
[18-Jun-2007 14:22:02] <creiht>
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[18-Jun-2007 14:23:00] <Erik-Zenoss> guess IPv6 really is about parsing the addresses as they come in though auto-discovery and building the network data structure properly. including routes etc
[18-Jun-2007 14:23:06] <Erik-Zenoss> doesn't seem too hard
[18-Jun-2007 14:23:33] <bzed> rewriting the shellscripts is much related to #1442 btw
[18-Jun-2007 14:23:39] <Aziraphale> Erik-Zenoss: possibly some added commands (ping6/traceroute6)
[18-Jun-2007 14:24:15] <Erik-Zenoss> bzed: deb is working? rock on!
[18-Jun-2007 14:24:55] <Mark-Zenoss> sorry, bzed didn't realize that was the first official dpkg build i am now dancing a jig (It's not pretty
[18-Jun-2007 14:25:31] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: well, not really "official", it's not yet in the archive
[18-Jun-2007 14:25:31] <bzed> Erik-Zenoss: well, I'd not call it working
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[18-Jun-2007 14:25:45] <_zack> but I think we will have at least in experimental by the end of this week
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[18-Jun-2007 14:25:49] <bzed> Erik-Zenoss: it works if you know what you ahve to do manually yet
[18-Jun-2007 14:26:17] <Erik-Zenoss> right IPv6 we need to listen and send using the 6 api
[18-Jun-2007 14:26:25] <Aziraphale> bzed: hmm, will be interesting to see how you've resolved depenencies
[18-Jun-2007 14:26:34] <bzed> ibut all the dependencies should work, so if anybody is interested in pynetsnmp or wmi and others, they're all in debian's testing
[18-Jun-2007 14:26:38] <_zack> Erik-Zenoss: do you have any figure about how much code in -core has been contributed by community members? just curious...
[18-Jun-2007 14:27:19] <bzed> Aziraphale: most dependencies were in debian allready, and we've spent a lot of time on packaging the missing dependencies
[18-Jun-2007 14:27:36] <Erik-Zenoss> zack: don't have a great estimate of community contribution in -core
[18-Jun-2007 14:27:42] <Aziraphale> bzed: yeah, thinking about how to build a FreeBSD port
[18-Jun-2007 14:28:02] <Aziraphale> bzed: most deps would be in the ports tree already, too
[18-Jun-2007 14:28:14] <Erik-Zenoss> as a raw percentage I don't think its too large but we get lots more then
[18-Jun-2007 14:28:32] <Erik-Zenoss> strait code contribution
[18-Jun-2007 14:28:43] <_zack> I was asking because the python part seems to be really well shaped, so it should probably encourage people to contribute...
[18-Jun-2007 14:29:06] <Erik-Zenoss> zack: thanks
[18-Jun-2007 14:29:37] <Erik-Zenoss> its a big app so it can be hard to find the best place to contribute. making this process easier is a definite priority for us
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:03] <_zack> in this respect ZenPacks are good, I was astonished to discover that with them you can augment the data model
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:03] <Erik-Zenoss> of course documentation is always the forgotten child
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[18-Jun-2007 14:30:21] <bzed> Aziraphale: I think if we're done with the debian packaging and we've written down what we like to have changed in -core, and Erik and the other developers have implemented it (#1442 is a main part of that), I think it should become not much complicated anymore to create packages (or whatever else your favourite distribution is using). at the moment we're really patching a lot of stuff to get rid of $ZENHOME and other hardcoded paths
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:29] <Erik-Zenoss> you can do pretty much anything with a zenpack
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:29] <_zack> maybe you need a "market place" like CPAN and friends for uploading Packs
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:35] <Aziraphale> I'd say more people shoudld conribute their experiences with various non-ubiquitous devices
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:37] <Erik-Zenoss> we could develop the rest ofthe app with them
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:45] <_zack> at the very minimum you can even use the wiki for that
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:52] <bzed> Erik-Zenoss: read my lines to Aziraphale please
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:54] <creiht> Speaking of documentation... When are we going to get better docs for Zenpacks
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:54] <Erik-Zenoss> market place for zenpacks is definitely in our minds
[18-Jun-2007 14:31:05] <Mark-Zenoss> zack, that's totatlly the idea
[18-Jun-2007 14:31:09] <_zack> creiht: good question, seconded
[18-Jun-2007 14:31:15] <bzed> there's even a marketpalce for munin plugins, so you should REALLY have one
[18-Jun-2007 14:32:00] <Erik-Zenoss> bzed: i here you
[18-Jun-2007 14:32:21] <Aziraphale> bzed: that sounds like it'll make it much easier
[18-Jun-2007 14:32:41] <Erik-Zenoss> we were pretty maxed out trying to get 2.0 out the door
[18-Jun-2007 14:32:53] <Erik-Zenoss> 2.1 will be less about big new features
[18-Jun-2007 14:33:10] <bzed> Aziraphale: if you wanna have a look: http://sn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-zenoss/packages/zenoss << hope the link is right, didn;t test it yet
[18-Jun-2007 14:33:10] <Mark-Zenoss> so here's a question? If we set up a way for you guys to sell your plug-ins to other users is that something your interested in or more of an exchange, or both?
[18-Jun-2007 14:33:10] <Erik-Zenoss> and more about cleanup details etc
[18-Jun-2007 14:33:28] <bzed> Aziraphale: if you wanna have a look: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-zenoss/packages/zenoss
[18-Jun-2007 14:33:28] <Aziraphale> oh, and I really, really need the collector plugin howto
[18-Jun-2007 14:33:36] <bzed> zenoss-plugins is wainting in debian's new queue btw
[18-Jun-2007 14:33:44] <joshb> cluther: ok thanks for your help! is there anyway to manually populate the hwSerial field in the case that it is not automatically polled?
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:04] <Erik-Zenoss> collectors are so easy to write they don't need documentation.
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:24] <bzed> RTFS!
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:25] <bzed>
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:34] <Erik-Zenoss> they are also the cleanest part of the code!
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:36] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: I think you should be interested in providing an authoritative place where users can provide plugins and maybe rate them
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:50] <joshb> _zack, I agree.
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:50] <Erik-Zenoss> every time I look at them I want to barf
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:51] <Aziraphale> Erik-Zenoss: for a python god maybe
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:56] <_zack> that should hopefully create a virtuous cycle of people contributing plugins
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:15] <_zack> probably, assuming the wiki works, you wont need a special software for that, they wiki would be enough
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:16] <Erik-Zenoss> i'm looking for a plugin documentation ticket
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:16] <Aziraphale> it's more like how to integrate the collected data into the db
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:24] <_zack> i've seen that working for other wikis
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:29] <Mark-Zenoss> that's the idea, first step is to have really awesome documentation on Zenpacks
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:36] <creiht> yay!
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:38] <creiht>
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:39] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: agreed
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:47] <Mark-Zenoss> we are now passing the buck on who owns the document
[18-Jun-2007 14:36:04] <Erik-Zenoss> aziraphale: yes plugin doc really needs a detailed description of the model
[18-Jun-2007 14:36:04] <joshb> cluther: nevermind, I'm a moron
[18-Jun-2007 14:36:12] <Mark-Zenoss> Jason is out of the office so I think he just got volunteered
[18-Jun-2007 14:36:19] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss:
[18-Jun-2007 14:36:45] <Aziraphale> I did add a template for Juniper routers to a ZenPack - can that now be simply added to another Zenoss instance?
[18-Jun-2007 14:36:52] <Erik-Zenoss> cluther are you hiding
[18-Jun-2007 14:36:54] <Erik-Zenoss> ?
[18-Jun-2007 14:37:00] <joshb> he is
[18-Jun-2007 14:37:01] <cluther> Not that I know of.
[18-Jun-2007 14:37:02] <Aziraphale> (don't have another one to test, etm)
[18-Jun-2007 14:38:21] <joshb> great job on 2.0 guys..
[18-Jun-2007 14:38:32] <Erik-Zenoss> aziraphale: you should be able to add it to any zenoss instance
[18-Jun-2007 14:38:33] <joshb> things are really starting to shape p
[18-Jun-2007 14:38:35] <joshb> up.
[18-Jun-2007 14:38:45] <Mark-Zenoss> Aziraphale - Are you talking about this : http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/1652?
[18-Jun-2007 14:38:45] <adytum-bot> Title: #1652 (RFC2096 RouteMap.py) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[18-Jun-2007 14:38:49] <Erik-Zenoss> clearly a system for sharing these is needed
[18-Jun-2007 14:39:26] <Aziraphale> Mark-Zenoss: nope, it's a performance template with Juniper proprietary OIDs
[18-Jun-2007 14:39:31] <joshb> now if I could only get WMI working
[18-Jun-2007 14:39:38] <Aziraphale> Mark-Zenoss: #1652 *is* mine though
[18-Jun-2007 14:39:59] <Erik-Zenoss> joshb: what's the issue with wmi?
[18-Jun-2007 14:40:06] <joshb> Erik-Zenoss: numerous errors..
[18-Jun-2007 14:40:09] <joshb> heres one: WMI error talking to lexibwiwsus01.na.follett.lan: com_error(1326): DOS code 0x0000052e
[18-Jun-2007 14:40:11] * Erik-Zenoss found a problem with 2.3.4 and zeneventlog today
[18-Jun-2007 14:40:25] <Erik-Zenoss> isn't that error clear?
[18-Jun-2007 14:40:29] <cluther> heh
[18-Jun-2007 14:40:31] <joshb> hah
[18-Jun-2007 14:40:54] <Erik-Zenoss> it comes after pcload error
[18-Jun-2007 14:41:02] <joshb> WMI error talking to lexibwilibs01.na.follett.lan: bad format char passed to Py_BuildValue
[18-Jun-2007 14:41:13] <Erik-Zenoss> yes that's the 2.3.4 error
[18-Jun-2007 14:41:18] <joshb> this particular device has a "Win Services" box
[18-Jun-2007 14:41:18] <Erik-Zenoss> python that is
[18-Jun-2007 14:41:20] <joshb> yeah i see that often
[18-Jun-2007 14:41:26] <joshb> but no services
[18-Jun-2007 14:41:28] <Erik-Zenoss> ecn is looking at it
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:11] <Erik-Zenoss> Py_BuildValue works in 2.4.3 so if you can upgrade to that it should start working
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:12] <Aziraphale> Mark-Zenoss: I like the way chris integrated that plugin, much cleaner than just replacing it
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:14] <joshb> WMI connect error on kyxxbwiextm01.na.follett.lan: com_error(88): DOS code 0x00000058
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:20] <joshb> ..
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:22] <_zack> other "community" question: what about localization of zenoss?
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:33] <Erik-Zenoss> i have no idea what com_error(88): DOS code 0x00000058 means
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:40] <_zack> have you any ready to use infrastructure for zenoss localization which can be passed over to the community
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:45] <Erik-Zenoss> but I did open a ticket to make the error messages better!
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:52] <joshb> hah
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:52] <joshb> ok
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:53] <_zack> so that one can just start translating strings and give the results back to you
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:59] <_zack> ?
[18-Jun-2007 14:43:37] <Erik-Zenoss> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/1679
[18-Jun-2007 14:43:37] <adytum-bot> Title: #1679 (Document Error Codes for zenwin) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[18-Jun-2007 14:44:08] <joshb> thanks
[18-Jun-2007 14:44:13] <Erik-Zenoss> we don't have the i18n infrastructure in place yet... zope has it but we need to change the templages for it to work (i think)
[18-Jun-2007 14:44:38] <Erik-Zenoss> once that's done translation stuff can get going
[18-Jun-2007 14:44:38] <_zack> I think right now the only way you have to do that is through new skins, which is suboptimal indeed
[18-Jun-2007 14:44:47] <Erik-Zenoss> yes
[18-Jun-2007 14:44:58] <Erik-Zenoss> of course there are all the log messages
[18-Jun-2007 14:44:58] <_zack> where is setting up the infrastructure in your todo list? bottom? :-)
[18-Jun-2007 14:45:53] <Erik-Zenoss> zenoss-3000
[18-Jun-2007 14:45:55] <Erik-Zenoss>
[18-Jun-2007 14:46:05] <_zack> :-P
[18-Jun-2007 14:46:29] <Erik-Zenoss> zenoss-3000 just means it hasn't been prioritized yet
[18-Jun-2007 14:46:29] <creiht> Is there going to be a Zencon anytime soon, or something like that?
[18-Jun-2007 14:46:42] <bzed> Erik-Zenoss: I hope that'll be out before py-3000
[18-Jun-2007 14:46:45] <Erik-Zenoss> not htat we don't think its important or that it won't happen soon ish
[18-Jun-2007 14:47:06] <Erik-Zenoss> will we ever get to py-3000?
[18-Jun-2007 14:47:18] <Erik-Zenoss> I think its for the next generation...
[18-Jun-2007 14:47:29] <creiht> Perhaps something to jumpstart community development/zenpack development?
[18-Jun-2007 14:47:41] <_zack> well, actually I don't think it's that important, since sysadms know english everywhere; but still for adoptions in some particular environments (since at public administration) it might be a requirement
[18-Jun-2007 14:47:56] <_zack> s/since/think (sorry)
[18-Jun-2007 14:47:59] <Erik-Zenoss> good feedback
[18-Jun-2007 14:49:33] <Erik-Zenoss> I like input that == less work
[18-Jun-2007 14:49:40] <Aziraphale> heh
[18-Jun-2007 14:50:18] <Erik-Zenoss> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/1577 i18n
[18-Jun-2007 14:50:18] <adytum-bot> Title: #1577 (Internationalization of Zenoss) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[18-Jun-2007 14:50:47] <Erik-Zenoss> seems like we still get a fair amount of unicode issues that come in though discovery
[18-Jun-2007 14:51:09] <Erik-Zenoss> that's the more pressing part of the issue i think
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:00] <bzed> ecn: any plan to get rid of twistedsnmp completely soon?
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:02] <bzed> Daemon: zentrap starting...
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:02] <bzed> Traceback (most recent call last):
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:02] <bzed> File "/var/lib/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/zentrap.py", line 42, in ?
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:02] <bzed> from twistedsnmp import snmpprotocol
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:03] <bzed> ImportError: No module named twistedsnmp
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:42] <_zack> bzed: aargh!
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:47] <bzed>
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:52] <Aziraphale> bzed: looks like you got rid of it already
[18-Jun-2007 14:54:05] <Dislo> hey guys i am having trouble getting soem daemons to start running
[18-Jun-2007 14:54:12] <Erik-Zenoss> hum I thought it was gone
[18-Jun-2007 14:54:12] <bzed> Aziraphale: _zack had packaged it a while ago anyway, but it means we have to depend on even more stuff
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[18-Jun-2007 14:54:37] <_zack> ....and actually twistedsnmp wasn't that stable....
[18-Jun-2007 14:54:45] <ecn> bzed: the plan is to get rid of it, but I've not figured out how to make python get traps out of net-snmp
[18-Jun-2007 14:55:28] <bzed> ecn: there's a oy binding shipped with the new netsnmp, probably you wanna have a look into that
[18-Jun-2007 14:56:33] <bzed> as far as I remember they're not using a ctypes binding, which is the way to prefer imho
[18-Jun-2007 14:56:57] <ecn> bzed: as long as its async, i have no desire to be the net-snmp python guy
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[18-Jun-2007 14:57:43] <Erik-Zenoss> last we looked the net-snmp binding was sync only
[18-Jun-2007 14:57:54] <Erik-Zenoss> hence our implementation
[18-Jun-2007 14:58:11] <bzed> ah ok
[18-Jun-2007 14:58:14] <bzed> never looked into it
[18-Jun-2007 15:00:06] <Dislo> ok so i am running zenoss on a vm and i cant get zenmodeler zenperfsnmp and zenprocess to start and there arent any log files
[18-Jun-2007 15:01:48] <ecn> Dislo: run like this:
[18-Jun-2007 15:01:52] <ecn> zenprocess run -v 10
[18-Jun-2007 15:02:02] <_chris__> ecn: he doesn't have ZENHOME set
[18-Jun-2007 15:02:07] <_chris__> he was running it as root before
[18-Jun-2007 15:02:15] <joshb> you still running it as root?
[18-Jun-2007 15:02:39] <joshb> export ZENHOME and try again as zenoss..
[18-Jun-2007 15:03:50] <Mark-Zenoss> well I got log out for a while, thanks everyone for showing up
[18-Jun-2007 15:03:58] <Erik-Zenoss> good talking to you guys!
[18-Jun-2007 15:04:13] <_zack> Erik-Zenoss: thanks you, a lot!
[18-Jun-2007 15:04:20] <Mark-Zenoss> nick /mrhinkle_away
[18-Jun-2007 15:04:30] <bzed> thanks guys, for fixing all the coming tickets
[18-Jun-2007 15:04:47] <Aziraphale> cheers lads
[18-Jun-2007 15:04:48] <Erik-Zenoss> np we love tickets
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[18-Jun-2007 15:04:52] <joshb> yep, seeya.
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[18-Jun-2007 15:07:43] <Dislo> hey guys i ran "zenprocess run -v 10" and this is my output http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5053
[18-Jun-2007 15:07:43] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.archlinux.org)
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[18-Jun-2007 15:09:33] <_chris__> Dislo: is your LD_LIBRARY_PATH set
[18-Jun-2007 15:09:50] <Dislo> _chris__, i dont know what that is so probably not
[18-Jun-2007 15:10:09] <_chris__> it should be set in zenoss' ~/.bashrc
[18-Jun-2007 15:10:16] <_chris__> it should point to $ZENHOME/lib
[18-Jun-2007 15:11:16] <Dislo> so export $LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$ZENHOME/lib
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[18-Jun-2007 15:12:06] <Aziraphale> no, export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:$ZENHOME/lib
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[18-Jun-2007 15:12:23] <Aziraphale> don't want to lose the system-wide one
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[18-Jun-2007 15:15:49] <Dislo> ah ok Aziraphale
[18-Jun-2007 15:15:57] <zombor> how can i switch the port from 8080 to just 80?
[18-Jun-2007 15:16:41] <giesen> my graphs have stopped updating after moving to 2.0
[18-Jun-2007 15:16:47] <giesen> all showing nan (not a number)
[18-Jun-2007 15:16:56] <giesen> how do I go about fixing this?
[18-Jun-2007 15:19:14] <gumpa> I arrived late, will a transcript of the chat be available?
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[18-Jun-2007 15:23:17] <rkagin> gumpa: At the end of the month, a transcript is posted of the IRC channel. As for this particular conversation, I'm not sure if that is the case.
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[18-Jun-2007 15:25:48] <mrhinkle> Hey Peter !
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[18-Jun-2007 15:29:19] <mrhinkle> bzed - http://blog.zenoss.com
[18-Jun-2007 15:29:19] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss Blog (at blog.zenoss.com)
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[18-Jun-2007 15:40:49] <bzed> mrhinkle: great!
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[18-Jun-2007 15:48:31] <zombor> can anyone help me out, im getting an error when I load a device: http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5054
[18-Jun-2007 15:48:31] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.archlinux.org)
[18-Jun-2007 15:48:45] <zombor> looks like $ZENHOME env variable is not being set?
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[18-Jun-2007 16:34:39] <|__rb__|> need some help, configure zenoss to monitor a tcp port and alert when it's not accessable/down, would appricate it
[18-Jun-2007 16:44:25] <giesen> |__rb__|: zenoss should list all open ports when you initially add the device
[18-Jun-2007 16:45:07] <|__rb__|> how can I specify what port I wan to monitor on which server
[18-Jun-2007 16:45:28] <giesen> if you go to the device
[18-Jun-2007 16:45:46] <giesen> and then click on the OS tab
[18-Jun-2007 16:45:51] <giesen> it lists all open ports
[18-Jun-2007 16:45:58] <giesen> well, open well-known ports
[18-Jun-2007 16:46:08] <giesen> and you can check whether you want to monitor it or not
[18-Jun-2007 16:47:12] <|__rb__|> under that device, under os, there is nothing listed
[18-Jun-2007 16:47:41] <solarce> you have to lower your shields for it to detect the OS
[18-Jun-2007 16:47:59] <giesen> is the device running SNMP?
[18-Jun-2007 16:48:04] <|__rb__|> yes
[18-Jun-2007 16:48:12] <|__rb__|> it's a redhat machine
[18-Jun-2007 16:48:21] <giesen> you should see a panel called IP Services
[18-Jun-2007 16:48:27] <giesen> and you can add services as well
[18-Jun-2007 16:49:04] <|__rb__|> ip services, whrere under that device or under devices in general
[18-Jun-2007 16:49:43] <giesen> under that device
[18-Jun-2007 16:49:45] <giesen> on the OS tab
[18-Jun-2007 16:50:12] <|__rb__|> yep, there isnothing there, it only has interfaces and routes, and they are both empty
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[18-Jun-2007 16:54:23] <|__rb__|> any ideas??
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[18-Jun-2007 17:05:54] <creiht> |__rb__|: First ensure that snmp is exposed properly so that the poller can read the information
[18-Jun-2007 17:06:20] <creiht> Try doing an snmp walk from the zenoss box of the box to make sure it can pull information
[18-Jun-2007 17:06:29] <creiht> Also make sure it is exposing all of the information
[18-Jun-2007 17:06:42] <creiht> The default snmpd.conf file only exposes a small amount of the data
[18-Jun-2007 17:07:33] <creiht> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/configuration-of-netsnmp-for-use-with-zenoss/
[18-Jun-2007 17:07:33] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[18-Jun-2007 17:07:34] <creiht> Is a good reference for a default snmpd.conf
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[18-Jun-2007 17:20:52] <rkagin> Does anyone know when ZenOSS detects and identifies a router, does it grab the routing table or generate it itself? I'm looking in RouteMap.py right now, and it seems that it does SNMP to get the information, but I am not sure if it's getting the routing table itself or if it's getting individual IPs that go through the router.
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[18-Jun-2007 17:35:44] <Aziraphale> rkagin: the routing table is a set of data defined in the RFC1213 or RFC2096 mibs
[18-Jun-2007 17:35:58] <Aziraphale> routers export one or the other, or both
[18-Jun-2007 17:36:16] <Dislo> hey guys I am still having no luck getting zenmodeler i keep on getting this set of errors http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5053
[18-Jun-2007 17:36:16] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.archlinux.org)
[18-Jun-2007 17:36:54] <Aziraphale> rkagin: so, zenoss actually gets the routing tabe data the router keeps
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[18-Jun-2007 17:54:12] <gumshoes> Hi, is there an easy way to get the network IO graphs (ethernetCsmacd) to display total bytes transferred for the displayed time period?
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[18-Jun-2007 18:10:57] <rkagin> Thanks Aziraphale - sorry for not responding sooner.
[18-Jun-2007 18:14:22] <lst> bzed: were you recommending netsnmpc?
[18-Jun-2007 18:15:41] <lst> ha, nevermind.. he left
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[18-Jun-2007 18:28:36] <Dislo> hey guys I am still having no luck getting zenmodeler i keep on getting this set of errors http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5053
[18-Jun-2007 18:28:36] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.archlinux.org)
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[18-Jun-2007 22:48:48] <antidrugue> hi everyone, on a fresh centos 5 installation, i get errors about "/opt/zenoss/bin/zeoctl" and "/opt/zenoss/bin/zopectl" when starting zenoss 2.0
[18-Jun-2007 22:49:50] <antidrugue> i did follow the instructions posted there: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/install-guides/install-on-redhat-enterprise-linux/
[18-Jun-2007 22:49:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[18-Jun-2007 22:50:21] <antidrugue> and had great success with zenoss 1.2 on centos 5 in the past... so what could be wrong ?
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[19-Jun-2007 08:33:23] <andrew_p> anydoby has idea what causes this error:
[19-Jun-2007 08:33:36] <andrew_p> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:getting device ping issues
[19-Jun-2007 08:33:36] <andrew_p> INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:Unresponsive devices: [[host.domain.com', 1, 2236]]
[19-Jun-2007 08:33:36] <andrew_p> INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:collected 0 of 0 devices in 0.00
[19-Jun-2007 08:33:36] <andrew_p> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:Sent 0 SNMP OID requests
[19-Jun-2007 08:34:26] <andrew_p> i think graphs aren't generated because of that. maybe zenping is not compatible with freebsd, what do you think?
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[19-Jun-2007 08:58:06] <jp10558> Hey, I'm trying to install Zenoss Core 2 on SL4 (RHEL4 derivative) and it keeps asking for MySQL-Client ... now I installed the RPMForge repository and installed MySql 5.0.44... but it looks like the RPM of Zenoss didn't see it yet
[19-Jun-2007 08:58:31] <jp10558> any ideas about RPMs for RHEL4 that will make the Zenoss 2 RPM happy?
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[19-Jun-2007 09:25:58] <OS|Marcelo> hello
[19-Jun-2007 09:27:04] <bzed> where does the zen.Ping:failed to parse host unreachable packet - warning come from usually?
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[19-Jun-2007 09:36:27] <zombor> can anyone help me out with a problem? When I try and add a device, I get a screen with this: http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5103
[19-Jun-2007 09:36:27] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.archlinux.org)
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[19-Jun-2007 09:37:41] <andrew_p> zombor: have you exported ZENHOME variable as described in INSTALL.txt?
[19-Jun-2007 09:38:20] <zombor> andrew_p: I followed the instructions at http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/installing-zenoss-on-debian-sarge/?searchterm=zenhome
[19-Jun-2007 09:38:20] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
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[19-Jun-2007 09:40:25] <andrew_p> zombor: maybe the variables in .bashrc or sudoers do not come into effect somehow. do "su zenoss" as root and then echo $ZENHOME; echo $PYTHONPATH
[19-Jun-2007 09:42:32] <zombor> ok, they are empty, I must have not done something right
[19-Jun-2007 09:42:43] <zombor> after I fix that do i just need to restart zen?
[19-Jun-2007 09:43:05] <andrew_p> zombor: for now you may do zenoss restart as zenoss user and it should work
[19-Jun-2007 09:43:17] <andrew_p> zombor: yes
[19-Jun-2007 09:43:25] <zombor> alright, ill work on it
[19-Jun-2007 09:46:13] <OS|Marcelo> i cant start zenhub
[19-Jun-2007 09:46:27] <OS|Marcelo> twisted.internet.error.CannotListenError: Couldn't listen on any:8789: (98, 'Address already in use').
[19-Jun-2007 09:46:55] <OS|Marcelo> how can i see which program use this port?
[19-Jun-2007 09:50:20] <OS|Marcelo> ok friends, i have all daemons running
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[19-Jun-2007 09:50:45] <zombor> andrew_p: im still getting the same error, i can echo both variables referenced above
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[19-Jun-2007 09:54:24] <andrew_p> zombor: have you restarted all the daemons? then launch python shell as zenoss user and type two lines: import os, print os.environ['ZENHOME']
[19-Jun-2007 09:55:02] <zombor> yes, i did `zenoss restart` as zenoss user
[19-Jun-2007 09:55:09] <andrew_p> hm..
[19-Jun-2007 09:55:16] <zombor> ill try the python thing
[19-Jun-2007 09:55:40] <zombor> yea, i get the correct output from python =/
[19-Jun-2007 09:55:53] <zombor> let me try re adding the device again
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[19-Jun-2007 10:04:03] <bzed> hey creiht
[19-Jun-2007 10:04:44] <bzed> any idea where "failed to parse host unreachable packet" results from?
[19-Jun-2007 10:04:49] <bzed> the host is pingable for sure
[19-Jun-2007 10:05:23] <creiht> bzed: howdy
[19-Jun-2007 10:05:31] <zombor> andrew_p: no luck
[19-Jun-2007 10:05:32] <creiht> hmmm
[19-Jun-2007 10:05:43] <creiht> I haven't seen that before
[19-Jun-2007 10:05:45] <creiht> I'm not sure
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[19-Jun-2007 10:07:05] <andrew_p> i don't know.. i'd say that debian has some beels and whistles that mess up the variables
[19-Jun-2007 10:08:25] <zombor> ill try asking in #debian
[19-Jun-2007 10:08:27] <OS|Marcelo> can you help me to show the file systems?
[19-Jun-2007 10:08:41] <OS|Marcelo> i see only the total bytes
[19-Jun-2007 10:08:49] <OS|Marcelo> but not used bytes?
[19-Jun-2007 10:08:55] <OS|Marcelo> how can i make it working?
[19-Jun-2007 10:10:45] <OS|Marcelo> ok, sorry
[19-Jun-2007 10:10:48] <OS|Marcelo> its working now
[19-Jun-2007 10:10:53] <OS|Marcelo> it needs some time
[19-Jun-2007 10:11:03] <bzed> creiht: too bad, thanks
[19-Jun-2007 10:11:18] <bzed> creiht: I think I'm still missing something in the install
[19-Jun-2007 10:11:50] <creiht> hmm
[19-Jun-2007 10:12:02] <creiht> Do you see that in one of the logs?
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[19-Jun-2007 10:12:26] <creiht> btw... I'm not a dev... just a happy user
[19-Jun-2007 10:12:31] <creiht> just in case
[19-Jun-2007 10:12:31] <bzed> i know
[19-Jun-2007 10:12:33] <creiht> ok
[19-Jun-2007 10:12:38] <bzed> but I'm not even a user .. yet
[19-Jun-2007 10:12:42] <creiht> hehe
[19-Jun-2007 10:12:52] <creiht> Where do you see that error message?
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[19-Jun-2007 10:19:04] <bzed> ------
[19-Jun-2007 10:19:04] <bzed> 2007-06-19T15:14:23 INFO zen WARNING:zen.Ping:failed to parse host unreachable packet
[19-Jun-2007 10:19:04] <bzed> ------
[19-Jun-2007 10:19:46] <creiht> bzed: And you have a host configured in zenoss?
[19-Jun-2007 10:19:56] <bzed> creiht: while adding a new device (which doesn't succeed then), same for auto-discovered devices and manually added devices
[19-Jun-2007 10:20:00] <bzed> localhost.localdomain is configured
[19-Jun-2007 10:20:20] <bzed> iit should be a normal, empty ddefault installation
[19-Jun-2007 10:20:25] <creiht> Are you adding the device by the hostname or the ip?
[19-Jun-2007 10:20:37] <bzed> tried both, same result
[19-Jun-2007 10:20:56] <creiht> so a weird question... are you typing it in manually or copy and pasting
[19-Jun-2007 10:21:15] <creiht> I'm asking since if an extra space gets added at the beginning or the end, it might cause a problem
[19-Jun-2007 10:21:29] <creiht> I think that was supposed to be fixed though
[19-Jun-2007 10:21:53] <creiht> bzed: This is on 2.0 right?
[19-Jun-2007 10:22:04] <bzed> yes
[19-Jun-2007 10:22:15] <bzed> uh
[19-Jun-2007 10:22:22] <bzed> no clue, I'll try it again
[19-Jun-2007 10:22:36] <bzed> but as it;'s the same for auto-discovered devices, I think it shouldn;t be the problem
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[19-Jun-2007 10:23:38] <creiht> ahh
[19-Jun-2007 10:23:45] <bzed> no
[19-Jun-2007 10:23:45] <creiht> let me look at the code real quick
[19-Jun-2007 10:23:47] <bzed> makes no difference
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[19-Jun-2007 10:24:14] <creiht> bzed: or you can ask cluther to see if he knows
[19-Jun-2007 10:24:15] <moredakka> hey, have a quick question. What causes a heartbeat failure?
[19-Jun-2007 10:24:41] <creiht> moredakka: When zenoss realizes that one of it's intenral services is not working correctly
[19-Jun-2007 10:26:49] <moredakka> Cause I've had heartbeat failures on zenmodler and zenping...the zenping seems to have been fixed since I lowered the amount of pings per device but the modeler is a new one.
[19-Jun-2007 10:28:56] <cluther> moredakka: zenmodeler can't fail to heartbeat regularly if some devices take a long time to model. I've seen this solved by adding "parallel 1" to the zenmodeler.conf file.
[19-Jun-2007 10:28:59] <zombor> how do I completely restart zenoss, I cant seem to get zope to work correctly now, its not opening port 80
[19-Jun-2007 10:29:12] <zombor> so i cant connect
[19-Jun-2007 10:29:23] <zombor> i tried zopectl stop and start
[19-Jun-2007 10:29:25] <bzed> creiht: will do he wasn't around before, so I asked you
[19-Jun-2007 10:30:21] <bzed> cluther: any idea where "failed to parse host unreachable packet" result from? as far as I understand the source, it doesn;t manage to parse/handle the icmp packet, but how could that be happen?
[19-Jun-2007 10:30:55] <moredakka> cluther: The zenmodeler.conf file is empty. Do I just add that line in the empty file?
[19-Jun-2007 10:31:11] <cluther> moredakka: Right, then restart zenmodeler.
[19-Jun-2007 10:31:54] <andrew_p> zombor: 8080? it may take a while before zope starts responding, at least i went into it several times...
[19-Jun-2007 10:32:22] <moredakka> cluther: thanks, I'll give that a shot. While I have your attention can you look at topic http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2213 ?
[19-Jun-2007 10:32:22] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Zenos not Alerting on CLEAR properly (BUG?) (at community.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 10:32:22] <zombor> andrew_p: i changed it to port 80, since 8080 is firewalled
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:22] <zombor> so even though the services have started, it might not respond?
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:34] <bzed> zombor: zope is not allowed to bind to port 80
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:49] <moredakka> cluther: Is that with or without quotes on the "parallel 1"?
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:50] <zombor> bzed: well it was working before i killed it
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:56] <andrew_p> since cluther has arrived, i will ask my question again any idea what causes this?
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:56] <andrew_p> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:getting device ping issues
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:56] <andrew_p> INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:Unresponsive devices: [[host.domain.com', 1, 2236]]
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:56] <andrew_p> INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:collected 0 of 0 devices in 0.00
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:56] <andrew_p> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:Sent 0 SNMP OID requests
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:57] <andrew_p> i think graphs aren't generated because of that. maybe some zenping/freebsd compatibility problems, what do you think?
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:58] <bzed> zombor: binding to ports < 1024 is not allowed for services running not as root
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:01] <cluther> moredakka: without
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:20] <zombor> i must have started zope as root then
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:26] <creiht> bzed: I'm looking at the code
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:32] <creiht> According to the error you are getting
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:33] <cluther> bzed: That unreachable packet problem has raised its head a couple of times. If I remember correctly, moredakka had it at one point.
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:41] <moredakka> thnx cluther
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:49] <zombor> bzed: so theres no way to run zenoss on port 80?
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:56] <creiht> It is receiving a packet
[19-Jun-2007 10:35:08] <creiht> returned from the ping
[19-Jun-2007 10:35:09] <cluther> bzed: I thought this was fixed with more permissive handling of ICMP packets in 1.1.2, but apparently not.
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[19-Jun-2007 10:35:30] <creiht> but can't parse the packet being returned from the host
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[19-Jun-2007 10:37:07] <cluther> bzed: Is this a Linux box with iptables running on it that's returning the unreachable?
[19-Jun-2007 10:37:31] <bzed> cluther: it's my development box at the debian conference at the moment, and it has no firewall rules applied at all
[19-Jun-2007 10:37:48] <giesen> I'm getting an error that zenstatus is unable to connect to zenhub
[19-Jun-2007 10:37:56] <giesen> anyone know how to troubleshoot/correct this?
[19-Jun-2007 10:38:13] <bzed> zombor: in your case I'd use an apache and proxy-rewriting, you could put zenoss on ssl at the same time using that
[19-Jun-2007 10:39:00] <bzed> cluther: and I'm running the svn trunk from yesterday or so, but as far as I remember there were no changes regarding that since then
[19-Jun-2007 10:39:06] <zombor> bzed: are there instructions somewhere to use apache? I would really rather use that anyway
[19-Jun-2007 10:39:21] <giesen> nm I corrected it
[19-Jun-2007 10:40:16] <bzed> zombor: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/setup-zenoss-with-apache/
[19-Jun-2007 10:40:16] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
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[19-Jun-2007 10:40:16] <zombor> bzed: thanks
[19-Jun-2007 10:40:23] <bzed> zombor: for non-ssl connections it works in the same way, just don;t configure ssl for the virtual host
[19-Jun-2007 10:40:30] <zombor> yep
[19-Jun-2007 10:40:50] <bzed> and use port 80 of course
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[19-Jun-2007 10:41:30] <zombor> why does zenoss run as a non-privileged user?
[19-Jun-2007 10:42:12] <bzed> do you raun all servers as root?
[19-Jun-2007 10:42:20] <bzed> *run
[19-Jun-2007 10:42:34] <zombor> apache, etc
[19-Jun-2007 10:42:43] <bzed> are you sure?
[19-Jun-2007 10:43:00] <creiht> bzed: Well looks like I was partly wrong... I misread part of the code... It's for some reason unreachable
[19-Jun-2007 10:43:01] <spike> can anybody tell me if zenoss does any additional graphing compared to what nagios does?
[19-Jun-2007 10:43:19] <spike> or if it's just nagios' perfdata/what nagios supports by itself
[19-Jun-2007 10:43:33] <creiht> bzed: The box that you are running zenoss on, does it have any firewall running?
[19-Jun-2007 10:43:39] <bzed> creiht: no
[19-Jun-2007 10:43:53] <bzed> creiht: but it is reachable, and even if there is an an icmp host unreachable reply, it should be able to parse it
[19-Jun-2007 10:44:39] <cluther> bzed: You could take out the try,except to see exactly which one of those statements is throwing the ValueError.
[19-Jun-2007 10:45:18] <cluther> bzed: It could be a couple of things.. maybe the jobqueue doesn't contain the dip (destination ip) because some other host is sending you unreachables for completely legitimate reasons.
[19-Jun-2007 10:45:31] <giesen> woo that fixed my other problem
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[19-Jun-2007 10:47:54] <bzed> cluther: hmm, I could imagine that we stukk have some pretty weird network issues here
[19-Jun-2007 10:48:11] <bzed> cluther: it's a conference withou any fixed cabled netowrk
[19-Jun-2007 10:48:23] <bzed> crazy things goign on here sometimes
[19-Jun-2007 10:48:24] <cluther> bzed: Can you feel the waves?
[19-Jun-2007 10:48:32] <bzed> sure
[19-Jun-2007 10:49:03] <zombor> bzed: I still need to run zope when using apache?
[19-Jun-2007 10:49:09] <bzed> zombor: yes
[19-Jun-2007 10:49:16] <zombor> =/
[19-Jun-2007 10:49:31] <bzed> zombor: zope is a web application framework
[19-Jun-2007 10:49:56] <zombor> with a built in webserver?
[19-Jun-2007 10:49:59] <bzed> zombor: it's pretty common to run it behind an apache
[19-Jun-2007 10:50:02] <bzed> sure
[19-Jun-2007 10:50:04] <bzed> even more
[19-Jun-2007 10:50:10] <bzed> webdave, ftp and a lot of other stuff
[19-Jun-2007 10:50:35] <bzed> it's really great stuff
[19-Jun-2007 10:51:27] <zombor> i guess im just used to my framework, which is pretty lightweight and doesnt do all that stuff =)
[19-Jun-2007 10:51:45] <bzed> izope is not lightweight, definitely
[19-Jun-2007 10:52:36] <bzed> but it provides a lot of things smaller frameworks definitely can;t provide
[19-Jun-2007 10:52:57] <bzed> cluther: so you think it could just be some crazyness of the network here?
[19-Jun-2007 10:53:15] <bzed> cluther: I'll grab wireshark and ahve a look on the icmp packets
[19-Jun-2007 10:54:10] <cluther> bzed: I think it shouldn't cause monitoring problems, but I also think that whatever it is shouldn't cause a warning log.
[19-Jun-2007 10:54:31] <cluther> bzed: I'm not sure about the cause though, so I can't say for sure.
[19-Jun-2007 10:55:15] <bzed> cluther: I'll have a look at the packaets arriving at my nic first
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[19-Jun-2007 11:00:40] <creiht> bzed: I've had similar problems on another monitoring system
[19-Jun-2007 11:00:51] <creiht> And it is usually due to bad network configs
[19-Jun-2007 11:01:40] <creiht> Things like having the netmask set incorrectly, or having odd routes that send outgoing traffic through another interface
[19-Jun-2007 11:01:58] <creiht> command line ping is a bit more forgiving
[19-Jun-2007 11:02:07] <creiht> in these types of circumstances
[19-Jun-2007 11:02:25] <creiht> Also bad NAT configs
[19-Jun-2007 11:09:21] <Aziraphale> whoah, icmp UNREACH packets are not bad network config
[19-Jun-2007 11:09:42] <Aziraphale> the downstream router from an unreachable host is supposed to send them
[19-Jun-2007 11:10:13] <Aziraphale> (if the host *is* unreachable that is)
[19-Jun-2007 11:10:46] <moredakka> cluther: Are you still around? if so, my zenping heartbeat failure is showing it's ugly face again. I'm not sure what I can do about it.
[19-Jun-2007 11:10:58] <moredakka> Are you able to help with this issue?
[19-Jun-2007 11:13:08] <creiht> Aziraphale: Sorry... I was just saying that I have seen similar behavior
[19-Jun-2007 11:13:54] <creiht> The code is saying it is unreachable, but it may not be actually because it is unreachable but because of some other error
[19-Jun-2007 11:14:22] <creiht> but at this point it is getting a bit over my head, so just trying to give some ideas to brainstorm
[19-Jun-2007 11:14:30] <Aziraphale> creiht: ah, ok. If I nsee them it's usually because the d/stream router has had the route to the host withdrawn
[19-Jun-2007 11:14:58] <Aziraphale> for whatever reason
[19-Jun-2007 11:15:03] <creiht> yeah
[19-Jun-2007 11:15:11] <bzed> Aziraphale: if you get more than one of them per try to connect, then you have a bad network config
[19-Jun-2007 11:15:17] <bzed>
[19-Jun-2007 11:15:49] <bzed> creiht: the main problem here was that the snmpd was not listening on the right port, but the issue of not beeing able to parse the pckets still exists
[19-Jun-2007 11:16:23] <Aziraphale> bzed: it's usually one per packet. If more than that, something *is* wrong
[19-Jun-2007 11:16:24] <moredakka> hey, does anyone know why zenping logs show "2007-06-19 07:03:54 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet"?
[19-Jun-2007 11:16:51] <bzed> Aziraphale: join us here, you ahve that feature on wifi
[19-Jun-2007 11:17:34] <bzed> moredakka: that was jsut my question some minutes ago we're not sure why, but it means that your destination is not reachable, but it was not able to parse the packet for some reason
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[19-Jun-2007 11:18:13] <moredakka> bzed: ah, didn't see that post, do you know if that will generate a zenping heartbeat failure?
[19-Jun-2007 11:18:14] <Aziraphale> bzed: try OSPF ECMP routing you may get an UNREACH frm every router that thinks it should have a route
[19-Jun-2007 11:19:01] <bzed> moredakka: no clue. creiht probably knows more about that
[19-Jun-2007 11:19:10] <creiht> moredakka: It probably will since it will generate errors in your zenping log
[19-Jun-2007 11:19:51] <moredakka> creiht: How will I be able to find out which device is generating that error? zenping logs don't give me an IP
[19-Jun-2007 11:20:11] <moredakka> also, is there a way to gic the "not in topology" errors in zenping?
[19-Jun-2007 11:20:23] <Aziraphale> moredakka: chances are it's the router before the monitored host
[19-Jun-2007 11:20:29] <moredakka> uhh....gic == fix (tired monday morning).
[19-Jun-2007 11:20:37] <Aziraphale> ping it from the CLI and see where it comes from
[19-Jun-2007 11:21:00] <zombor> bzed: i got it working, thanks for your help
[19-Jun-2007 11:21:21] <bzed> zombor: you're welcome. and make sure your apache is using www-data or any other user to serve the requests
[19-Jun-2007 11:21:55] <zombor> bzed: yea, it is, i was just being an idiot because i always start apache as root, not an unprivileged user
[19-Jun-2007 11:21:55] <Claros> good evening
[19-Jun-2007 11:22:32] <zombor> the config has user:group set to non-root
[19-Jun-2007 11:22:38] <bzed> zombor: sure, it drops its privileges
[19-Jun-2007 11:23:06] <bzed> zombor: zope doesn;t have this function
[19-Jun-2007 11:23:06] <Claros> does anybody knows hot to change correctly localhost (zenoss host) name with zenoos 2.0?
[19-Jun-2007 11:23:21] <zombor> bzed: it would be nice if it did =)
[19-Jun-2007 11:23:33] <bzed> use debian
[19-Jun-2007 11:23:48] <bzed> well
[19-Jun-2007 11:23:58] <bzed> you can't bind to lowports
[19-Jun-2007 11:24:08] <bzed> but you can start it as root
[19-Jun-2007 11:24:16] <bzed> and it'll use the right user to run under
[19-Jun-2007 11:24:55] <zombor> bzed: when i started zope as root, zenoss didnt work correctly
[19-Jun-2007 11:25:18] <zombor> it didnt grab the enviornment variables
[19-Jun-2007 11:27:07] <bzed> yeah
[19-Jun-2007 11:27:34] <bzed> again YOU DO NOT WANT TO RUN STUFF AS ROOT, except you have a service that really needs to run as root
[19-Jun-2007 11:27:35] <creiht> moredakka: I'm not sure sorry... I haven't actually had the problem with zenoss yet.
[19-Jun-2007 11:28:20] <zombor> well like i said, im used to *starting* things as root, apache, sshd, etc even if they dont end up running as root
[19-Jun-2007 11:28:56] <bzed> you can use debian soon, then you can do that
[19-Jun-2007 11:29:06] <zombor> i am using debian
[19-Jun-2007 11:29:24] <zombor> unfortunately
[19-Jun-2007 11:30:36] <creiht> moredakka: You could try the following in a shell: $ZENHOME/bin/zenping run -v10
[19-Jun-2007 11:31:02] <creiht> That will run through the ping process and do verbose logging
[19-Jun-2007 11:31:08] <creiht> so you should see where the error happens
[19-Jun-2007 11:34:22] <moredakka> ah yes, always seem to forget about verbose :-/
[19-Jun-2007 11:34:45] <moredakka> thanks, I'll give that a try.
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[19-Jun-2007 11:39:44] <moredakka> creiht: It's weird. doing the verbose logging I get "DEBUG:zen.Ping:unexpected pkt 10.0.0.32 <ICMP packet 0 0 15980 0>" but if I ping 10.0.0.32 I get "64 bytes from 69.11.121.107: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=101 ms" so I don't see where zenoss is getting this problem from.
[19-Jun-2007 11:40:07] <zombor> tthis is probably a dumb question, but how do i add a service to monitor?
[19-Jun-2007 11:40:23] <zombor> i go to services, and i dont see anything to add like in the docs
[19-Jun-2007 11:41:18] <creiht> moredakka: Yeah... unfortunately I'm not sure what to tell you, other than to double check the networking configs on that 10.0.0.32 box
[19-Jun-2007 11:41:22] <Aziraphale> moredakka: is 10.0.0.32 the host zenoss is pinging?
[19-Jun-2007 11:41:39] <Aziraphale> ot the one that returns the UNREACH?
[19-Jun-2007 11:42:40] <moredakka> Aziraphale: yes, that is the ip set for the device in zenoss.
[19-Jun-2007 11:43:32] <moredakka> sorry, didn't read the 2nd part of your question
[19-Jun-2007 11:43:51] <moredakka> I don't get an unreach error in zenoss or CLI.
[19-Jun-2007 11:44:44] <creiht> I bet it is the networking config
[19-Jun-2007 11:44:53] <Aziraphale> ah, I see. the problem is that the source address for the return packet is different
[19-Jun-2007 11:45:06] <Aziraphale> ~thing is doing nat or something
[19-Jun-2007 11:46:00] <moredakka> Unfortunately I don't have access to the network config on the 10.0.0.32 device, it isn't controlled by us just monitored.
[19-Jun-2007 11:46:17] <creiht> hrmm
[19-Jun-2007 11:46:31] <creiht> moredakka: What does a traceroute look like?
[19-Jun-2007 11:47:05] <creiht> that will sometimes reveal if it is a NAT issue
[19-Jun-2007 11:47:29] <moredakka> traceroute to 10.0.0.32 (10.0.0.32), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
[19-Jun-2007 11:47:30] <moredakka> 1 10.10.10.1 0.709 ms 0.702 ms 1.249 ms
[19-Jun-2007 11:47:30] <moredakka> 2 * * *
[19-Jun-2007 11:47:30] <moredakka> 3 10.0.1.128 (10.0.1.128) 48.181 ms 48.129 ms 45.115 ms
[19-Jun-2007 11:47:30] <moredakka> 4 * * *
[19-Jun-2007 11:47:30] <moredakka> 5 10.0.0.32 (10.0.0.32) 48.258 ms 44.648 ms 48.464 ms
[19-Jun-2007 11:48:00] <moredakka> This is going through a VPN on the monitor box to our customer's site and monitoring through that vpn connection.
[19-Jun-2007 11:48:32] <Aziraphale> ~ah
[19-Jun-2007 11:48:41] <Aziraphale> I've seen that happen with VPN connections
[19-Jun-2007 11:49:07] <Aziraphale> ping returns from the *outside* interface where you ping the *inside* one
[19-Jun-2007 11:56:08] <moredakka> is there a way around that error or do I have to live with it since it's through a vpn?
[19-Jun-2007 11:56:59] <Aziraphale> moredakka: only way i know of is to fix the vpn, I'm afraid
[19-Jun-2007 11:59:38] <moredakka> What will be wrong with the vpn to cause this issue?
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[19-Jun-2007 12:01:17] <Aziraphale> moredakka: don't remember, something to do with the return path, I think
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[19-Jun-2007 12:05:03] <moredakka> Alright, thanks for the info. However I just did another zenping verbose check and I get this: 2007-06-19 10:03:41 DEBUG zen.Ping: unexpected pkt 127.0.0.1 <ICMP packet 8 0 22487 1280> which of course isn't through the vpn...
[19-Jun-2007 12:09:10] <creiht> moredakka: That is very odd... Unfortunately at this point it is beyond my experience... sorry
[19-Jun-2007 12:09:28] <moredakka> Also, when you run "zenping run -v 10 --logpath=/home/zenoss/" should it be in an endless loop?
[19-Jun-2007 12:09:41] <Aziraphale> and what is it you're trying to ping in that case?
[19-Jun-2007 12:09:48] <moredakka> heh, thanks for the info anyways creiht ;-)
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[19-Jun-2007 12:10:03] <moredakka> in the 127.0.0.1 case? That is the zenoss box.
[19-Jun-2007 12:10:30] <creiht> moredakka: No it just runs it once
[19-Jun-2007 12:10:40] <creiht> If you use zenping start
[19-Jun-2007 12:10:46] <creiht> that would start it as the daemon
[19-Jun-2007 12:11:12] <Aziraphale> odd
[19-Jun-2007 12:11:25] <moredakka> so instead of "run" insert "start" and it shouldn't loop like it is now?
[19-Jun-2007 12:11:47] <creiht> moredakka: well you probably already have it running
[19-Jun-2007 12:11:50] <creiht> so you would want to do
[19-Jun-2007 12:11:56] <creiht> zenping stop
[19-Jun-2007 12:11:57] <creiht> and then
[19-Jun-2007 12:12:06] <creiht> zenping start -v10
[19-Jun-2007 12:12:23] <creiht> and that will start the daemon, with it logging verbose information
[19-Jun-2007 12:12:24] <creiht> I think
[19-Jun-2007 12:12:56] <giesen> Can anyone lend a hand with performance templates
[19-Jun-2007 12:13:21] <giesen> My cisco boxen are reporting what appears to be an arbitrary speed
[19-Jun-2007 12:13:30] <giesen> for Tunnel and Dialer interfaces
[19-Jun-2007 12:13:43] <giesen> and so Im getting 95% threshold warnings
[19-Jun-2007 12:13:45] <giesen> constantly
[19-Jun-2007 12:13:52] <giesen> which is effectively rendering my zenoss box useless
[19-Jun-2007 12:14:11] <giesen> I still want to graph traffic on the interfaces
[19-Jun-2007 12:14:13] <giesen> but without the alerts
[19-Jun-2007 12:15:38] <Aziraphale> giesen: that's a bit of a bug, unfortunately
[19-Jun-2007 12:16:32] <Aziraphale> haven't seen that for tunnel ifs though, just Nu0 and VL type ifs
[19-Jun-2007 12:16:47] <giesen> yeah I've to TuXXX interfaces
[19-Jun-2007 12:16:50] <giesen> doing it constantly
[19-Jun-2007 12:16:59] <giesen> which are reporting an ifspeed of 9000
[19-Jun-2007 12:17:06] <giesen> I dunno if cisco pulled that out of a hat
[19-Jun-2007 12:19:06] <Aziraphale> just actually seeing exactly that...
[19-Jun-2007 12:20:01] <Aziraphale> Aha!
[19-Jun-2007 12:20:21] <moredakka> Alright. Tried the zenping start -v10 and I never (in the logs) get "Finished pinging 83 jobs in 0.17 seconds"...
[19-Jun-2007 12:20:31] <Aziraphale> you can set the bandwitdh and that becomes the ifspeed
[19-Jun-2007 12:20:48] <Aziraphale> default ppears to be 9k
[19-Jun-2007 12:21:06] <Aziraphale> dunno if that'll break things though
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[19-Jun-2007 12:23:58] <moredakka> bah, this not in toplology warning is annoying
[19-Jun-2007 12:24:30] <Aziraphale> i think it's harmless though
[19-Jun-2007 12:25:10] <spike> I'm trying to find out what the enterprise version costs/has more than the core but I dont see a "comparison" page
[19-Jun-2007 12:25:15] <spike> can anbyody point me at one?
[19-Jun-2007 12:27:37] <giesen> spike: there is no enterprise version yet
[19-Jun-2007 12:27:45] <giesen> but supposedly it supports more than one dashboard
[19-Jun-2007 12:27:49] <giesen> and has more zenplugins
[19-Jun-2007 12:28:07] <spike> I think I've seen somewhere a "45" node management
[19-Jun-2007 12:28:14] <giesen> http://www.zenoss.com/support
[19-Jun-2007 12:28:14] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 12:28:36] <spike> yeah, I've seen that page, and "Maintain focus" isnt rated as "useful information" in my scale sorry
[19-Jun-2007 12:28:56] <giesen> spike: the product isnt launched yet
[19-Jun-2007 12:29:02] <giesen> give it some time
[19-Jun-2007 12:29:22] <spike> well, I need to make a choice, zenoss or hyperic
[19-Jun-2007 12:29:39] <spike> and cant really find info on zenoss
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:12] <giesen> http://www.zenoss.com/product/enterprise?c=enterprise
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:12] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:18] <giesen> that may help as well
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:18] <giesen> there's all kinds of information on zenoss core
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:31] <giesen> as well as a vmware appliance for evaluation
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:49] <giesen> http://www.zenoss.com/product/
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:49] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:50] <spike> uhm, yeah, 'spose I should skip the reading and just try it out
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:50] <giesen> that has a decent amount of product information
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:58] <spike> it'd been useful to put together some preliminary list of pro/cons
[19-Jun-2007 12:31:38] <spike> giesen: mind to enlighten me a bit about zenoss' graphing capabilities?
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[19-Jun-2007 12:34:03] <spike> from the sshots they look like nagios' graphs
[19-Jun-2007 12:34:19] <spike> bah, ignore me, I'll just install it
[19-Jun-2007 12:34:19] <spike> ta
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:07] <giesen> they are
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:12] <giesen> they're mrtg graphs
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:20] <giesen> and you can graph from just about any data source
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:21] <spike> and there's no added feature?
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:22] <giesen> it's quite cool
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:24] <spike> lemme rephrase that
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:36] <spike> I need aggregated logs, which I cant do with nagios
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:36] <giesen> well they have some cool scrolling, and they'll summarize all the graphs on one page
[19-Jun-2007 12:36:02] <spike> atm I'm using nagios+munin, but that's a waste, as both apps tend to monitor/graph the same data ending with lots of duplicated checks
[19-Jun-2007 12:36:26] <spike> but I cant really just use nagios, as I hve some really important graphs which are build as aggregation of others
[19-Jun-2007 12:36:42] <giesen> the graphing in zenoss is more of a trending/visualization tool
[19-Jun-2007 12:36:45] <spike> and failing to be able to build such summaries defeat most of the point of a graphing app
[19-Jun-2007 12:37:03] <giesen> there's not really any way to pull raw data out of it
[19-Jun-2007 12:37:08] <giesen> and it wont overlay a bunch of graphs
[19-Jun-2007 12:37:19] <rkagin> spike: out of curiosity, how many nodes are you monitoring? I have heard that Munin suffers scalability issues.
[19-Jun-2007 12:37:32] <giesen> but you can summarize all the graphs for a subset of devices on one page
[19-Jun-2007 12:37:43] <spike> giesen: how hard would it be to extend that?
[19-Jun-2007 12:37:54] <spike> or there's no support at all and it's not possible by design?
[19-Jun-2007 12:38:03] <giesen> dunno
[19-Jun-2007 12:38:04] <giesen> Im not a dev
[19-Jun-2007 12:38:07] <spike> 'cause to me that's a show stopper really
[19-Jun-2007 12:38:10] <spike> ok
[19-Jun-2007 12:38:12] <giesen> but I dont imagine it would be trivial
[19-Jun-2007 12:38:37] <spike> rkagin: ~150
[19-Jun-2007 12:39:21] <rkagin> spike: Thanks. Just was wondering if you were monitoring on the scale of 100s or 1000s.
[19-Jun-2007 12:39:54] <spike> rkagin: but I kinda concur with scalability issue, I have friends using it for 1k type scale networks
[19-Jun-2007 12:40:10] <spike> and you necessarily have to distribute the graphs
[19-Jun-2007 12:40:35] <spike> even with 150, lots of aggregations and ~20 graphs host it can choke a dual core with 2GB of ram
[19-Jun-2007 12:41:02] <rkagin> spike: I see. That somewhat dissuaded me from Munin because the size of our network is much larger than 150.
[19-Jun-2007 12:41:42] <rkagin> On a separate note, I think I understand that ZenPack stores all preferences (i.e. UI changes, custom alerts/thresholds/events/monitors) in a zip file (of xml files); does anyone know, however, how this is done?
[19-Jun-2007 12:42:58] <spike> rkagin: so what do you use? I'm nt sure I see too much space for iprovements aside from writing pure C rather than perl to speed up things
[19-Jun-2007 12:43:21] <spike> 1k scale is a large number of info to crunch, put into rrd, and generate pics
[19-Jun-2007 12:43:30] <spike> +from
[19-Jun-2007 12:43:49] <spike> plus pics must be updated in 4 flavor at least, daily weekly monthy yearly
[19-Jun-2007 12:43:56] <rkagin> spike: Scalability in terms of RRD handling I think is conquered by ZenOSS much better than Munin, and ZenOSS allows Nagios plugins (in addition to their own form of the same plugins).
[19-Jun-2007 12:45:25] <spike> rkagin: perf graphs arent really the same thing, but I cant comment as I dont yet know how ZenOSS tackled the issue
[19-Jun-2007 12:45:48] <giesen> rkagin: the nagios plugins are a *real* performance pig though
[19-Jun-2007 12:45:52] <giesen> if you use a lot of them
[19-Jun-2007 12:46:05] <giesen> although it definitely seems much better in 2.0
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[19-Jun-2007 12:46:57] <rkagin> giesen: True. Do you know about ZenPacks?
[19-Jun-2007 12:47:02] <spike> and btw, what is zenoss written in?
[19-Jun-2007 12:47:08] <giesen> python/zope
[19-Jun-2007 12:47:26] <spike> back in the good unix days the about page said that besides listing features...
[19-Jun-2007 12:47:30] <giesen> rkagin: yep, although I havent had any time to seriously investigate them
[19-Jun-2007 12:47:34] <spike> oh, right, I read that somewhere and then forgot :/
[19-Jun-2007 12:48:02] <spike> so I 'spose one could scale zenoss install with zom? the zope clustering thingie
[19-Jun-2007 12:48:37] <rkagin> giesen: ZenPacks essentially store all the configurable settings you've created in ZenOSS in a zip file, and then you can send it to someone else, they can unpack it, and it would be as if they did it themselves on their own computer, right?
[19-Jun-2007 12:48:59] <spike> anyway, bbl, thanks for the info
[19-Jun-2007 12:51:43] <giesen> spike: zenoss scales nicely with multiple monitors
[19-Jun-2007 12:51:47] <giesen> and you can break out components
[19-Jun-2007 12:51:53] <giesen> onto multiple boxes
[19-Jun-2007 12:51:58] <giesen> and centrally manage from one box
[19-Jun-2007 12:54:12] <Aziraphale> giesen: is there a doc on that?
[19-Jun-2007 12:55:19] <giesen> it's in the admin guide I think
[19-Jun-2007 12:55:23] <giesen> I havent personally done it
[19-Jun-2007 12:55:38] <giesen> although I'm getting close to the point where I may need multiple monitor boxes
[19-Jun-2007 12:55:46] <giesen> 2.0 bought me some time though
[19-Jun-2007 12:57:43] <moredakka> i'm sure everyone here is getting tired of me and my zenping issues but I'm not sure if it's a critical issue yet or not. Zenping seems to be monitoring but it never generates a success message in the logs
[19-Jun-2007 12:57:52] <rkagin> Aziraphale: Check out information on distributed ZenOSS. I found this that may be of some help.
[19-Jun-2007 12:58:12] <rkagin> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2007/003392.html
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[19-Jun-2007 12:58:23] <Dislo> morning all
[19-Jun-2007 12:58:33] <moredakka> it pings until it gets to the unexpected pkt error then stops. Then it seems to start pinging about 45 seconds after the last unexpected packet.
[19-Jun-2007 12:59:16] <Aziraphale> rkagin: thanks for that. the CNAME thing is a bit hackish though
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[19-Jun-2007 13:00:08] <Dislo> hey guys i am having a small problem sending emails from zenoss
[19-Jun-2007 13:03:15] <rkagin> Aziraphale: That's true, but it's the best I could find. I do agree that I feel like I saw something in the Admin Guide, but am not sure.
[19-Jun-2007 13:03:49] <Dislo> i keep on getting this error Test failed: socket.gaierror - (-2, 'Name or service not known') 2007/06/19 09:55:57 when i am at the /zenusers/foobar and i click on test
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[19-Jun-2007 13:10:17] <rkagin> Does anyone know about ZenPacks?
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[19-Jun-2007 13:11:57] <jshadow> could someone tell me if there is a way to change the mysql password used on an existing install?
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[19-Jun-2007 13:16:56] <rkagin> jshadow: Google revealed this link (see if it helps you): http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/install-guides/installing-zenoss-on-ubuntu
[19-Jun-2007 13:16:56] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 13:16:57] <rkagin> Check point 15.
[19-Jun-2007 13:17:42] <jeisenberg> has anyone had issues with zeoctl and zopectl not installing when doing a fresh install of 2.0?
[19-Jun-2007 13:17:57] <jshadow> will take a look thanks, I was digging through the forums and didn't see anything
[19-Jun-2007 13:18:36] <jshadow> I did, I had to manually run mkzopeinstance.py and mkzeoinstance.py
[19-Jun-2007 13:18:47] <jeisenberg> that resolved it?
[19-Jun-2007 13:19:00] <jshadow> yep, worked for me anyhow
[19-Jun-2007 13:19:17] <jshadow> use /opt/zenoss or wherever your install is as the argument
[19-Jun-2007 13:20:15] <jeisenberg> i am trying that now
[19-Jun-2007 13:20:38] <jeisenberg> woot
[19-Jun-2007 13:20:47] <jeisenberg> well...
[19-Jun-2007 13:20:55] <jeisenberg> not really woot on that yet
[19-Jun-2007 13:23:00] <jeisenberg> when you ran mkz* you ran them as root and used /opt/zenoss as home
[19-Jun-2007 13:23:04] <jeisenberg> correct?
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[19-Jun-2007 13:24:42] <rkagin> jeisenberg: You should use whatever $ZENHOME is; if that's your home, then yes.
[19-Jun-2007 13:26:53] <jeisenberg> thanks
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[19-Jun-2007 13:32:47] <jeisenberg> i am unable to connect to the website at 8080.
[19-Jun-2007 13:33:06] <jeisenberg> is this controlled in the zope.conf file?
[19-Jun-2007 13:33:41] <Dislo> hey guys what kind of growth is there on this program
[19-Jun-2007 13:37:08] <Dislo> i am wondering if i can expect steady growth because of storing more data for uptimes or if there is going to be a pretty set ammount of memory usage and what is the log growth like
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[19-Jun-2007 13:49:27] <jeisenberg> i am still having a couple of issues. i cannot connect to the server over http on the port of 8080 after running mkzeoinstance and mkzeninstance. Anyone have any ideas?
[19-Jun-2007 13:50:05] <jeisenberg> zopectl is not running when I do a service zenoss status.
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[19-Jun-2007 14:03:09] <giesen> what actually defines how a template is applied to a particular interface?
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[19-Jun-2007 14:18:01] <zombor> is it possible to have a graph of ping times for my devices?
[19-Jun-2007 14:20:22] <giesen> it is, but you have to use a nagios plugin
[19-Jun-2007 14:20:55] <zombor> =(
[19-Jun-2007 14:21:23] <zombor> also, im following the user guide on adding a service, and I dont see any "Add" button on the main services page
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[19-Jun-2007 14:32:54] <Alan-D> Hi People!
[19-Jun-2007 14:34:19] <Alan-D> I tryout version 2.0 through the vmware image, but can't get it to add a device under windows 2003. Any ideas?
[19-Jun-2007 14:34:44] <Alan-D> I can get to see and add servers with windows 2000.
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[19-Jun-2007 14:53:01] <zombor> oh, theres a dropdown to add...when i click that i get the loading screen and it just sits there "Loading"
[19-Jun-2007 15:08:18] <giesen> zombor: using IE or Firefox?
[19-Jun-2007 15:08:27] <zombor> giesen: firefox
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[19-Jun-2007 15:34:15] <moredakka> Anyone here know a good mailing list or forum for updates on microsoft patches?
[19-Jun-2007 15:37:00] <rkagin> Anyone know about ZenPacks? I'm interested primarily in the technical features of it.
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[19-Jun-2007 15:43:50] <andrew_p> how to configure zenoss in such way that the event will be matched not against defaultmapping, but a custom one? using regexps only or also rules?
[19-Jun-2007 15:44:58] <rkagin> andrew_p: Do you mean creating a custom event that triggers based on a custom threshold? If so, that should all be in the Admin Guide.
[19-Jun-2007 15:59:33] <andrew_p> ok, more specifically: how is an event matched to Event Class Key?
[19-Jun-2007 16:00:52] <Dislo> hey guys i now have a slightly new error
[19-Jun-2007 16:01:09] <Dislo> whenever i test the email i get this Test failed: smtplib.SMTPAuthenticationError - (501, '5.7.0 Authentication failed')
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[19-Jun-2007 16:12:16] <shakeSpear> how do I compile zenoss 2.0 on debian sarge? I get following error: wmi/pywmi_wrap.c:2318: error: `__ERROR__XX__NEVER_USE_STRCPY___' undeclared (first use in this function)
[19-Jun-2007 16:16:33] <_zack> where does zenoss store the data for connecting to mysql? and is there a way from the web interface to change that?
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[19-Jun-2007 16:17:29] <Aziraphale> Settings
[19-Jun-2007 16:18:00] <Aziraphale> EventManager, soory
[19-Jun-2007 16:18:14] <Aziraphale> sorry, even
[19-Jun-2007 16:18:16] <_zack> ah,ok
[19-Jun-2007 16:18:28] <_zack> tnx
[19-Jun-2007 16:18:42] <Dislo> Aziraphale, do you know how the email portion works and how to set it up because i am getting some odd errors
[19-Jun-2007 16:19:45] <Aziraphale> never looked at that yet
[19-Jun-2007 16:20:22] <Dislo> do you have it working for you
[19-Jun-2007 16:20:30] <jp10558> IS there a MYSQL Client Standard 5.0.22+ for EL4? I can only find 4.xxx
[19-Jun-2007 16:21:35] <shakeSpear> jpl0558: take the zendeps from the zenoss webpage there is the right mysql included?!
[19-Jun-2007 16:26:43] <bzed> _zack: it's added by the zenbuild stuff, seee the postinst file
[19-Jun-2007 16:27:01] <jp10558> ahh
[19-Jun-2007 16:29:32] <_zack> bzed: ack
[19-Jun-2007 16:40:19] <shakeSpear> zenoss 2.0 on debian sarge anyone
[19-Jun-2007 16:41:29] <zombor> shakeSpear: i installed it on
[19-Jun-2007 16:41:34] <zombor> etch
[19-Jun-2007 16:43:59] <shakeSpear> zombor : hmm ok - no probs with "error: wmi/pywmi_wrap.c:2318: error: `__ERROR__XX__NEVER_USE_STRCPY___' undeclared (first use in this function)" ?
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[19-Jun-2007 16:57:39] <zombor> shakeSpear: nope
[19-Jun-2007 16:57:49] <zombor> just a whole bunch of dependancy issues
[19-Jun-2007 16:58:44] <shakeSpear> dependancy issues? is there a .deb package?
[19-Jun-2007 16:59:40] <zombor> not yet
[19-Jun-2007 16:59:45] <creiht> shakeSpear: There will be official debian packages soon
[19-Jun-2007 16:59:47] <zombor> i had to install a bunch of stuff
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:04] <zombor> mysql-dev, python dev, etc
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:28] <shakeSpear> creiht: but not for debian sarge I presume?
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:29] <bzed> zombor: there's a nice tuttorial.. or you ahve to wait
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:36] <bzed> shakeSpear: we'll make backports for etch
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:42] <bzed> sarge makes no sense to backport
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:44] <zombor> bzed: well, i have it installed
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:47] <bzed> way too much work
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:58] <zombor> bzed: the tutorial wasnt very helpful
[19-Jun-2007 17:01:38] <shakeSpear> Hmm - looks like thats the final reason to migrate to etch ...;)
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[19-Jun-2007 17:04:03] <bzed> zombor: i mean this one: http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1551&highlight=
[19-Jun-2007 17:04:03] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Installing on Debian etch using mostly native packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 17:04:37] <zombor> yea, that doesnt include the mysql development package
[19-Jun-2007 17:05:06] <zombor> it would be very nice if the zenoss installer check for dependancies before running
[19-Jun-2007 17:05:22] <zombor> i think i entered the beginning info of the installer 10 times yesterday
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[19-Jun-2007 17:31:30] <rkagin> Anyone here particularly knowledgeable on the code of ZenPacks? The ZenPackBase class has six different loaders in it (objects, reports, daemons, skins, data sources, and libraries). Does anyone know if you can load anything else besides these? Although I'm not sure what else is even customizable that someone would want to load.
[19-Jun-2007 17:32:58] <creiht> rkagin: Most of are in a similar boat to you... There isn't a lot of documentation yet
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[19-Jun-2007 17:33:42] <creiht> But according to one of the devs earlier, they stated that if they wanted to, they could pretty much build all future functionality off of zenpacks
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[19-Jun-2007 17:33:59] <creiht> So theorerically you should be able to do just about anything you want
[19-Jun-2007 17:34:30] <rkagin> Right, but say you made a new functionality in ZenOSS - how would it be loaded?
[19-Jun-2007 17:34:39] <creiht> oh
[19-Jun-2007 17:34:49] <creiht> There is actually documentation on that somewhere
[19-Jun-2007 17:35:25] <rkagin> The best I found was the loaders variable in /ZenModel/ZenPack.py
[19-Jun-2007 17:36:08] <creiht> rkagin: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/what-is-a-zenpack/
[19-Jun-2007 17:36:08] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 17:36:08] <creiht> does that answer your question?
[19-Jun-2007 17:36:18] <creiht> There is also a very basic example of a zenpack in the code
[19-Jun-2007 17:36:41] <rkagin> creiht: I understand the command line arguments, but within the code, it doesn't support importing anything other than those six types that I mentioned earlier.
[19-Jun-2007 17:36:56] <creiht> ahh
[19-Jun-2007 17:37:07] <creiht> That I do not know
[19-Jun-2007 17:37:08] <rkagin> creiht: I've seen the HelloWorldZenPack, and it also doesn't implement anything new. Monitors and events are fine, but new functionality - how is that done?
[19-Jun-2007 17:37:14] <creiht> I haven't been able to play with it yet
[19-Jun-2007 17:37:34] <creiht> rkagin: That is the golden question that many of us are wating for
[19-Jun-2007 17:37:38] <rkagin> creiht: I understand - I just am trying to figure things out as to why a dev would say you could import new functionality.
[19-Jun-2007 17:37:58] <rkagin> I totally believe them - it's just a matter of how it's done that I would like to know, from a programming standpoint.
[19-Jun-2007 17:38:09] <creiht> hehe
[19-Jun-2007 17:38:16] <creiht> I know... I have similar questions
[19-Jun-2007 17:38:33] <rkagin> And so we wait until one of the devs comes back.
[19-Jun-2007 17:38:38] <creiht> hehe
[19-Jun-2007 17:38:50] <creiht> Well... mostly we wait until we get good docs for zenpack
[19-Jun-2007 17:38:57] <creiht> or you could post the the mailing list
[19-Jun-2007 17:40:04] <rkagin> Well, since I've never done that, could you point me to where the form is I need to fill out for posting in the mailing list?
[19-Jun-2007 17:40:19] <creiht> oh sure
[19-Jun-2007 17:40:33] <creiht> there is actually a forum that mirros the list that is probably easier
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:06] <creiht> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: Index (at community.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:12] <rkagin> Oh, duh.
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:26] <rkagin> creiht: zenoss-dev, no?
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:28] <creiht> Or if you would like to sign up for the lists
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:35] <creiht> http://www.zenoss.com/community/discuss/lists
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:35] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:43] <creiht> probably
[19-Jun-2007 17:49:17] <rkagin> creiht: Looks like someone posted something similar to my question, but was unanswered:
[19-Jun-2007 17:49:31] <rkagin> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1764
[19-Jun-2007 17:49:31] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Root Cause ZenPack (at community.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 17:49:58] <creiht>
[19-Jun-2007 17:50:19] <creiht> Perhaps if more people ask, they will have more reason to answer?
[19-Jun-2007 17:50:20] <creiht>
[19-Jun-2007 17:52:57] <rkagin> Yeah, I'll spend a while trying to draft up something succinct but cover a breadth of question material.
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[19-Jun-2007 18:02:44] <zombor> iis it possible to graph bandwidth usage like in cacti?
[19-Jun-2007 18:06:49] <rkagin> zombor: Check this and the next post: http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2007/004559.html
[19-Jun-2007 18:07:12] <zombor> =(
[19-Jun-2007 18:07:24] <creiht> zombor: define "like cacti"
[19-Jun-2007 18:07:41] <zombor> cacti lets me graph bits per second over my interfaces
[19-Jun-2007 18:07:58] <zombor> using snmp i think
[19-Jun-2007 18:08:00] <creiht> It does that by default
[19-Jun-2007 18:08:16] <creiht> Bits/sec, Pkts/sec, and Errors/sec
[19-Jun-2007 18:08:36] <zombor> in my zenoss i see load avg, cpu %, memory
[19-Jun-2007 18:08:45] <creiht> click on the OS tab
[19-Jun-2007 18:08:45] <zombor> no network interface stats
[19-Jun-2007 18:09:00] <creiht> and then click on one of the interfaces
[19-Jun-2007 18:09:03] <creiht> ie eth0
[19-Jun-2007 18:09:28] <zombor> oh, there it is
[19-Jun-2007 18:09:40] <creiht>
[19-Jun-2007 18:09:55] <zombor> im still getting used to the interface, its is very....in depth
[19-Jun-2007 18:10:05] <creiht> hehe
[19-Jun-2007 18:10:19] <creiht> From the OS
[19-Jun-2007 18:10:20] <creiht> tab
[19-Jun-2007 18:10:28] <creiht> you can also click on filesystem mounts
[19-Jun-2007 18:10:37] <creiht> To see disk usage over time
[19-Jun-2007 18:11:31] <rkagin> creiht: Do you mind me sending you my draft post?
[19-Jun-2007 18:11:45] <rkagin> See if it covers your questions as well?
[19-Jun-2007 18:11:55] <creiht> hehe
[19-Jun-2007 18:12:00] <creiht> don't worry about my questions
[19-Jun-2007 18:12:03] <zombor> btw, under the OS tabs, and others
[19-Jun-2007 18:12:11] <zombor> what are the checkboxes for?
[19-Jun-2007 18:12:12] <creiht> I've already poked the devs enough
[19-Jun-2007 18:12:31] <creiht> at this point I am just waiting for docs
[19-Jun-2007 18:12:58] <creiht> zombor: hmm I don't see any check boxes under the OS tab
[19-Jun-2007 18:13:15] <creiht> Though it may have changed in 2.0, and I haven't tried it yet
[19-Jun-2007 18:13:21] <zombor> yeaim using 2.0
[19-Jun-2007 18:13:36] <zombor> theres checkboxes everywhere, but nothing to do?
[19-Jun-2007 18:13:37] <creiht> usually if there are check boxes
[19-Jun-2007 18:13:48] <creiht> theyn there is a toolbar below with operations that you can perform
[19-Jun-2007 18:13:55] <creiht> but that was the old system
[19-Jun-2007 18:13:59] <creiht> not sure about in 2.0
[19-Jun-2007 18:14:00] <zombor> yes, thats what i was expecting =/
[19-Jun-2007 18:14:00] <creiht> yet
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[19-Jun-2007 18:22:24] <moredakka> Quick question. Does anyone know why it would take zenoss 5 hours to report on a device?
[19-Jun-2007 18:22:44] <moredakka> firstTime 2007/06/19 10:07:17.440
[19-Jun-2007 18:23:03] <moredakka> lastTime 2007/06/19 16:15:34.145
[19-Jun-2007 18:23:09] <moredakka> Count of 6
[19-Jun-2007 18:23:24] <moredakka> it's like it's only pinging every hour.
[19-Jun-2007 18:24:03] <rkagin> moredakka: You can check the logs to see if it's failing the other times.
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[19-Jun-2007 18:35:20] <creiht> moredakka: It might be intermediately failing
[19-Jun-2007 18:35:31] <creiht> The event may still be in zenoss
[19-Jun-2007 18:35:37] <creiht> and so it just adds to the count
[19-Jun-2007 18:36:01] <creiht> sometimes the events don't clear themselves after they have come back up
[19-Jun-2007 18:37:16] <rkagin> creiht: How does one find the ping count? I can see firstTime and lastTime, but nothing about count.
[19-Jun-2007 18:38:50] <creiht> rkagin: Well it might have changed in 2.0 but in the events tab there is a count column right after lastTime
[19-Jun-2007 18:39:55] <rkagin> creiht: Oh, I thought he was talking about from the status tab of an individual device.
[19-Jun-2007 18:40:20] <creiht> oh yeah.. that might be a possibilty
[19-Jun-2007 18:42:05] <rkagin> creiht: Because in my events console, I don't necessarily see anything related to successful pings, whereas I figured that would be in the device's status tab (although I don't see it there either).
[19-Jun-2007 18:42:19] <rkagin> creiht: My post addresses your concerns enough?
[19-Jun-2007 18:42:27] <creiht> looking...
[19-Jun-2007 18:43:41] <creiht> rkagin: Which list did you post to?
[19-Jun-2007 18:45:27] <rkagin> creiht: Your email.
[19-Jun-2007 18:45:30] <creiht> oh
[19-Jun-2007 18:45:31] <creiht> hehe
[19-Jun-2007 18:45:59] <creiht> heh
[19-Jun-2007 18:46:04] <rkagin> Thought I'd get a look-over before I put it out there.
[19-Jun-2007 18:46:12] <creiht> for some reason google taged it as spam
[19-Jun-2007 18:46:14] <creiht> sorry
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[19-Jun-2007 18:47:06] <creiht> rkagin: Looks good
[19-Jun-2007 18:47:22] <creiht> Answering even small pieces of that will be very helpful
[19-Jun-2007 18:47:40] <rkagin> creiht: Gives options all around for devs/users alike.
[19-Jun-2007 18:47:46] <creiht> yeah
[19-Jun-2007 18:48:07] <creiht> If I ever get some time, I hope to poke at it soon
[19-Jun-2007 18:48:22] <creiht> It's that darn time thing that keeps getting in the way
[19-Jun-2007 18:49:11] <creiht> Well I'm out... everyone have a great evening... or morning... whichever comes first
[19-Jun-2007 18:49:36] <rkagin> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=7212
[19-Jun-2007 18:49:36] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - ZenPack Questions (at community.zenoss.com)
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[19-Jun-2007 19:09:20] <KeithBilly> i'm trying to upgrade to 2, i'm using a remote mysql server, it runs through fine utnil it tries to access the database, it doesn't seems to use the conf information from the previous install. A forum post claims that install.sh should be asking for this information but mine does not. where can i hardcode this?
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[19-Jun-2007 22:53:45] <cbleach> is anyone using the new http_check zenpack?
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[20-Jun-2007 00:17:11] <moredakka> anyone here?
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:38] <moredakka> Well if someone comes in I'm getting this error with zenping:
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:40] <moredakka> 2007-06-19 22:03:55 ERROR zen.Ping: receiving packet error: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:40] <moredakka> Traceback (most recent call last):
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:40] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 152, in recvPackets
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:40] <moredakka> self.pingJobSucceed(self.jobqueue[sip])
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:40] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 184, in pingJobSucceed
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:40] <moredakka> self.reportPingJob(pj)
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:42] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 205, in reportPingJob
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:44] <moredakka> pj.deferred.callback(pj)
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:46] <moredakka> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:51] <moredakka> .
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:59] <moredakka> I'm hoping someone can help me out.
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[20-Jun-2007 00:20:30] <moredakka> When I try to ping a device that is noted as down from the manage interface I get "Time to live exceeded" but if I ping it from the CLI it responds noo problem.
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[20-Jun-2007 00:36:12] <moredakka> So no one is here right now?
[20-Jun-2007 00:51:21] <moredakka> Hmmm
[20-Jun-2007 01:10:40] <moredakka> So it seems that Zenoss 1.1.1 cannot handle "Time to live exceeded" error on an ICMP packet. Throws zenping into chaos. I lied on my earlier comment about it responding no problem, CLI gives TTL error as well.
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[20-Jun-2007 02:43:47] <freakynl> hey there, is zenoss based on nagios?
[20-Jun-2007 02:44:36] <kompressor> zenoss has nagios plugins rather..:-)
[20-Jun-2007 02:45:22] <freakynl> but it isn't based on nagios code thus? Just has a compatible api/data exchange?
[20-Jun-2007 02:47:22] <freakynl> we already looked at nagios 3 years ago and i'm kind of sorry to see not much has changed on the exterior. Our main issues are it's hard to configure for non-linux admins and it can't be done through the webinterface, it looks ugly (yes, it's functional, but ppl like our managers will actually look away because of this), and it lacks 'real' support for snmp traps and graphing images for bandwidth and such (yes this can be done with other too
[20-Jun-2007 02:54:06] <kompressor> freakynl, i've used nagios for the past year and currently evaluating zenoss...yes nagios works though
[20-Jun-2007 02:55:19] <kompressor> freakynl, zenoss is not based on nagios, but for some of the functionality in nagios, you would install nagios plugins if you like in version 1.1.2 ...im not sure with this new version 2 out...
[20-Jun-2007 02:55:54] <kompressor> you should try it...with the virtual appliance for vmware..ive had zero configuration to do so far.:-)
[20-Jun-2007 02:55:59] <freakynl> kompressor: yea it works, but I think it's a very bad decission not to make the gui more functional and more beautiful. i think it would have drawn much more public to nagios
[20-Jun-2007 02:56:11] <freakynl> kompressor: yea it's running, going to import some mib's now.
[20-Jun-2007 02:56:26] <freakynl> atleast this has native snmp traps support and appearantly a very cool ajax gui
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[20-Jun-2007 03:02:48] <shakeSpear> the last 10 years we were migrating through mrtg, bigbrother, cacti, nagios => and finaly zenoss. To me Zenoss seems currently perfect in terms of manageability (gui/web), functionality (snmp, snmptraps, syslog, rest+xmlrpc)
[20-Jun-2007 03:03:28] <shakeSpear> bigbrother => strange architecture painfull configuration
[20-Jun-2007 03:03:41] <freakynl> shakeSpear: nice, yea bigbrother didn't really look usable to me
[20-Jun-2007 03:03:52] <freakynl> i don't think it's actively developped either
[20-Jun-2007 03:04:09] <shakeSpear> nagios => everything there - in some way - but painfull way
[20-Jun-2007 03:04:39] <shakeSpear> yeah - we dropped bigbrother 4 years ago - i think - is more than 3 weeks - can't remember anymore
[20-Jun-2007 03:05:27] <shakeSpear> cacti => nice rrd stuff for timerseries => but lack of availability monitoring
[20-Jun-2007 03:06:15] <shakeSpear> bigbrother has been bought by quest? => and they sell foglight
[20-Jun-2007 03:11:46] <freakynl> there was something called bigsister too, not sure if it's the precessor or successor tho'
[20-Jun-2007 03:14:52] <kompressor>
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[20-Jun-2007 03:59:44] <spike> giesen: I've actually found: "Aggregate Reports Ã�¢Ã�¤Ã�“ The Aggregate reports is a combination of all the performance graphs for all of the devices in the system."
[20-Jun-2007 04:00:12] <spike> giesen: that doesnt allow you tyo define aggregate reports but it suggests that there's already some code there to support such functionality
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[20-Jun-2007 04:31:08] <spike> hi, how does it work with zenoss and debian pkgs? according to this http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/being_packaged pkg is still in preparation, licence issues apparently
[20-Jun-2007 04:31:08] <adytum-bot> Title: Debian -- Packages being worked on (at www.debian.org)
[20-Jun-2007 04:31:22] <spike> but http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/1185 looks like it's all fixed
[20-Jun-2007 04:31:22] <adytum-bot> Title: #1185 (Copyright/Licensing issues) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[20-Jun-2007 04:31:53] * spike shrugs
[20-Jun-2007 04:32:00] <shakeSpear> Why licensing? Isn't it Open Source?
[20-Jun-2007 04:32:35] <spike> heresy!
[20-Jun-2007 04:32:37] * spike giggles
[20-Jun-2007 04:33:40] <spike> shakeSpear: if I were you I'd be careful now, RMS's ninjas will probably come and try to kill you
[20-Jun-2007 04:34:03] <shakeSpear> ??
[20-Jun-2007 04:34:11] <spike> shakeSpear: read the ticket, there were problems with some components released under ZPL
[20-Jun-2007 04:38:20] <shakeSpear> aha - read it - but as you mentioned seems fixed already
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[20-Jun-2007 04:49:41] <freakynl> opensource isn't necessarily license compatible with other opensource...
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[20-Jun-2007 05:11:20] <kompressor> so there is no real place to find debian pkgs at the moment? mmm
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[20-Jun-2007 05:21:19] <spike> can zenoss map boxes to switch ports?
[20-Jun-2007 05:21:32] <spike> I dont even ask for a map of the network, just what's plugged into a switch
[20-Jun-2007 05:21:47] <spike> switch is managed and can be queried via snmp
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[20-Jun-2007 06:01:58] <freakynl> kompressor: dunno debian has a lot of unofficial depositories, whether you want to use them is another q
[20-Jun-2007 06:02:41] <kompressor> freakynl, yes id like to try those unofficial depositories...know some?
[20-Jun-2007 06:03:00] <freakynl> kompressor: nope i use gentoo
[20-Jun-2007 06:03:34] <kompressor> hmmm, ubuntu has to make a plan then i guess
[20-Jun-2007 06:06:02] <spike> afaik there's nothing, neither official nor unofficial
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[20-Jun-2007 06:22:49] <claros> ciao bandini
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[20-Jun-2007 06:23:04] <bandini> heya claros
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[20-Jun-2007 06:23:35] <claros> uno dei pochi italiani che usa zenoss, come ti trovi?
[20-Jun-2007 06:56:51] <bandini> claros, non l'ho ancora in produzione lo sto testando. piace il fatto che sia in python naturalmente
[20-Jun-2007 06:58:47] <claros> qui (universitÃ� dell'aquila) Ã�¨ in produziona ma ho qualche problema con l'aggiornamento che abbiamo fatto alla 2.0
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[20-Jun-2007 08:44:38] <iuso> hi, something has happened with zenoss' monitoring of one device. i'm using the latest from the version 1 branch. zenperfsnmp doesn't react to invalid return values reported by snmp
[20-Jun-2007 08:45:17] <iuso> snmpwalk works, and moreover the graphs in perf are getting drawn, but the scripts that snmpd runs at the device's end which return non-0 don't cause any events
[20-Jun-2007 08:45:35] <iuso> here's the paste from running zenperfsnmp -v 10 for the device:
[20-Jun-2007 08:45:54] <iuso> http://pastebin.ca/578880
[20-Jun-2007 08:45:54] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - zenperfsnmp - post number 578880 (at pastebin.ca)
[20-Jun-2007 08:46:15] <iuso> what caught my eye is "exceptions.TypeError: float argument required
[20-Jun-2007 08:46:55] <iuso> that didn't happen before, at least i wouldn't think so because everything worked until yesterday midday
[20-Jun-2007 08:47:07] <moredakka> If anyone is around, I might have a problem with my zenping (still) on v1.1.1 "2007-06-20 06:11:58 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 84 jobs in 49.95 seconds" that seems a little long to me.
[20-Jun-2007 08:47:16] <iuso> which is when i enabled a maintenance break for this device (spanning 23:55 to 00:15)
[20-Jun-2007 08:47:40] <iuso> since then i've disabled and deleted the maintenance window, and even restarted zenoss, but to no avail. i get no events from the device
[20-Jun-2007 08:48:25] <iuso> (oh, and by "latest from the version 1 branch) i don't mean CVS or anything like that, just v1.1.2)
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[20-Jun-2007 09:00:54] <claros> iuso, try to have a look to your mysql database, events/status to see if an uncler event about that device is still present
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[20-Jun-2007 09:02:56] <claros> even if it is not so "polite", you can manually delete an event that for some reasons you cant modify from zenoss dashboard...
[20-Jun-2007 09:03:41] <claros> may be you maintenance event is still present...
[20-Jun-2007 09:11:45] <iuso> claros: thanks, that might help. can you tell me how i can dig the database for the event?
[20-Jun-2007 09:14:09] <iuso> claros: nevermind, my colleague knows mysql, i'll ask him
[20-Jun-2007 09:14:17] <claros> I feel confortable with mysql front, but you can use what you want...
[20-Jun-2007 09:15:09] <claros> .... mysql cmd line, php mysqladmin .... i'm at phone now....
[20-Jun-2007 09:16:16] <iuso> k
[20-Jun-2007 09:16:34] <iuso> there were no events for that device in the status table
[20-Jun-2007 09:20:26] <claros> sorry, I have no other advice... except deleting and adding again the device but it is a very extreme solution.. try to ask somebody else before
[20-Jun-2007 09:26:55] <iuso> yeah i'll try, thanks
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[20-Jun-2007 10:08:07] <moredakka> is there anyone here this morning.
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:09] <moredakka> ?
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:18] <moredakka> zenping is causing me greif
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:22] <moredakka> uhh
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:25] <moredakka> grief
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:37] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 06:54:33 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:37] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 06:59:33 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:37] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 07:04:33 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:37] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 07:09:32 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:37] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 07:11:58 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 84 jobs in 49.93 seconds
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:38] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 07:14:32 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:40] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 07:19:32 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:42] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 07:24:32 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:44] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 07:29:32 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:46] <moredakka> .
[20-Jun-2007 10:10:07] <moredakka> It seems to only be checking every 5 minutes or so plus with 84 jobs in 50 sec seems to be quite long (used to be 0.17 sec) and I don't know what's changed.
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[20-Jun-2007 10:29:28] <claros> 2007-06-20 16:26:28 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 71 jobs in 0.41 seconds
[20-Jun-2007 10:30:12] <claros> seem like you have a bad ip address in a device and zenping fails...
[20-Jun-2007 10:31:53] <claros> zenping here works every minute + the time needed to complete pings, usually 1 second or two...
[20-Jun-2007 10:32:21] <moredakka> that's the way it used to work.
[20-Jun-2007 10:33:05] <moredakka> I don't know when it started doing this and there is one set of systems that it seems to only check evey hour which is extra annoying.
[20-Jun-2007 10:33:25] <claros> check ip addresses and use reset ip to correct the one wrong
[20-Jun-2007 10:33:46] <creiht> moredakka: My gut wants to say that it is some type of network configuration problem
[20-Jun-2007 10:36:07] <claros> I think it is problem related to the list of ip address... try to execute zenping -test and che the ip list
[20-Jun-2007 10:36:28] <claros> sorry ..check the list...
[20-Jun-2007 10:38:31] <claros> have to leave, bye
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[20-Jun-2007 10:39:22] <moredakka> -test?
[20-Jun-2007 10:39:26] <moredakka> that doesn't seem to work
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[20-Jun-2007 10:40:44] <moredakka> creiht: the weird part is I haven't made any network configuration changes before this problem started happening.
[20-Jun-2007 10:41:04] <creiht> moredakka: try --test
[20-Jun-2007 10:41:10] <creiht> hmm
[20-Jun-2007 10:41:12] <creiht> that is odd
[20-Jun-2007 10:41:26] <moredakka> you're tellin' me.
[20-Jun-2007 10:42:46] <moredakka> check this out::
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[20-Jun-2007 10:43:18] <moredakka> wow, didn't like that
[20-Jun-2007 10:43:23] <creiht> hehe
[20-Jun-2007 10:43:30] <creiht> put it in a paste server
[20-Jun-2007 10:43:32] <creiht> like
[20-Jun-2007 10:43:35] <creiht> paste.lisp.org
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[20-Jun-2007 10:47:21] <moredakka> Well this is interesting. I ran "zenping run --test" and zenoss reported that everything was down (even though nothing was down).
[20-Jun-2007 10:53:36] <creiht> hehe... Yeah... I did that and it caused some weird problems
[20-Jun-2007 10:53:50] <creiht> All of a sudden everything was reporting down in Zenoss
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:09] <creiht> I had to stop zenping and start it again
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:12] <creiht> and it cleared it up
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:32] <creiht> It was funny to see some of my cowerkers faces though
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:41] <creiht> I think they thought the world was coming to an end
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:43] <moredakka> Yeah, yeesh....if I knew that was going to happen I would have turned off all the alerting.
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:45] <moredakka> haha
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:50] <creiht> hehe
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:52] <creiht> sorry
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:58] <creiht> I didn't know it was going to happen either
[20-Jun-2007 10:56:21] <moredakka> my boss is getting a million txt messages on his cell...he isn't too pleased with that :-/ Oh well, learning here.
[20-Jun-2007 10:56:48] <moredakka> So the first time I ran "zenping run --test" I got a wack of these http://paste.lisp.org/display/43100
[20-Jun-2007 10:57:05] <moredakka> it said it INFO:zen.ZenPing:Finished pinging 173 jobs in 1.21 seconds
[20-Jun-2007 10:57:17] <moredakka> I only have about 87 devices being monitored.
[20-Jun-2007 10:57:21] <creiht> luckily we have a 5 minute delay before we get paged
[20-Jun-2007 10:57:35] <creiht> otherwise I would be in the same boat
[20-Jun-2007 10:57:40] <moredakka> then I ran it again and got INFO:zen.ZenPing:Finished pinging 1 jobs in 0.05 seconds
[20-Jun-2007 10:57:49] <moredakka> but none of those errors.
[20-Jun-2007 10:58:03] <moredakka> Heh, I've fixed that so there is a 3 minute delay on that now.
[20-Jun-2007 10:59:15] <creiht> unfortunately the text of the actuall error is cut off on the paste
[20-Jun-2007 10:59:18] <creiht> can you try again?
[20-Jun-2007 11:00:45] <moredakka> try this one http://paste.lisp.org/display/43101
[20-Jun-2007 11:02:23] <creiht> oh
[20-Jun-2007 11:02:24] <creiht> I see
[20-Jun-2007 11:02:25] <creiht> hrmm
[20-Jun-2007 11:02:38] <moredakka> hrmm.....that can't be good.
[20-Jun-2007 11:02:55] <creiht> hehe
[20-Jun-2007 11:03:19] <creiht> unfortunately I don't know
[20-Jun-2007 11:03:46] <moredakka> haha
[20-Jun-2007 11:03:51] <creiht> I would send an email to the list, with the errors that you are getting, to see if you can get a response frm the devs
[20-Jun-2007 11:03:59] <moredakka> I was on the edge of my seat for a second.
[20-Jun-2007 11:04:19] <moredakka> Hmmm...haven't gone into the mailing list yet, just the forums.
[20-Jun-2007 11:04:21] <moredakka> and here.
[20-Jun-2007 11:05:09] <creiht> the forums are the same thing... they are linked to the mailing list
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[20-Jun-2007 11:09:22] <moredakka> Ah....I get little to no replies on the forums...I'm going to assume that I will get even less with all the 2.0 problems popping up.
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[20-Jun-2007 11:12:45] <creiht> hehe
[20-Jun-2007 11:12:49] <creiht> well it never hurts to try
[20-Jun-2007 11:12:50] <creiht>
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[20-Jun-2007 11:13:59] <moredakka> true true
[20-Jun-2007 11:15:14] <creiht> unfortunatly the errors that you are seeing are difficult to reproduce, so I can understand how it might be difficult for others to figure out what is going on
[20-Jun-2007 11:15:25] <creiht> fortunately bzed has been seeing similar problems
[20-Jun-2007 11:15:36] <creiht> so hopefully he might be able to help you figure it out
[20-Jun-2007 11:16:20] <moredakka> Well least I'm not the only one. How many systems are you monitoring?
[20-Jun-2007 11:17:31] <creiht> close to 100
[20-Jun-2007 11:17:35] <creiht> not very many
[20-Jun-2007 11:20:08] <moredakka> Ah, about the same as me.
[20-Jun-2007 11:20:10] <moredakka> us
[20-Jun-2007 11:20:12] <moredakka> rather.
[20-Jun-2007 11:20:41] <creiht> hehe
[20-Jun-2007 11:20:54] <moredakka> I guess the big thing that is bothering me with this zenping issue is that I have two devices (I'm going to go through them all) that are only being checked every hour.
[20-Jun-2007 11:21:06] <creiht> that is odd
[20-Jun-2007 11:21:09] <moredakka> They aren't in any groups or weird monitors or anything like that
[20-Jun-2007 11:21:19] <moredakka> but the count is only going up about every hour.
[20-Jun-2007 11:21:26] <moredakka> grrr.
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[20-Jun-2007 11:26:48] <moredakka> thanks for your help anyways creiht
[20-Jun-2007 11:27:14] <rkagin> moredakka: Where do you see the count of how many successful pings for each device?
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[20-Jun-2007 11:29:32] <moredakka> in event tab for the device or under the event tab for all the devices.
[20-Jun-2007 11:31:12] <rkagin> moredakka: In the events tab, I only see when certain thresholds are are exceeded, not anything regarding successful pings.
[20-Jun-2007 11:32:34] <moredakka> ./Status/Ping Site ip x.x.x.x is down 2007/06/19 10:07:17.440 2007/06/20 08:11:58.864 21
[20-Jun-2007 11:32:57] <rkagin> moredakka: Ah, so it says how many failed pings, not how many successful pings.
[20-Jun-2007 11:33:03] <moredakka> It's only incrementing the count of that device for every hour
[20-Jun-2007 11:33:49] <moredakka> Luckly we also have nagios running and it's pinging hasn't stopped like Zenoss's so we were covered for this one being down.
[20-Jun-2007 11:33:51] <rkagin> moredakka: Does the failure count corelate to the last seen time, i.e. after 30 minutes from that last count, the last seen time is 30 minutes ago still?
[20-Jun-2007 11:34:49] <moredakka> they increment every 60 minutes.
[20-Jun-2007 11:35:00] <moredakka> the device has been down for 21 hours now
[20-Jun-2007 11:35:02] <moredakka> ish
[20-Jun-2007 11:37:48] <rkagin> moredakka: I was just thinking about whether it gets seen only every 60 minutes or it fails one out of 60 times on the hour.
[20-Jun-2007 11:38:53] <moredakka> If it failed one every hour then it would still come back after a minute (like the other devices do) then it would report as down in the next hour.
[20-Jun-2007 11:40:13] <rkagin> moredakka: That's true - I guess I was under the impression that if it went up and then went down again, that the event would also simply increment, rather than clear itself and start over if that happened.
[20-Jun-2007 11:40:34] <creiht> moredakka: Sometimes the event doesn't clear, and thus you see what is happening
[20-Jun-2007 11:40:41] <creiht> It is actually pinging the device
[20-Jun-2007 11:40:51] <creiht> Just it fails once every hour
[20-Jun-2007 11:41:01] <creiht> at least that is the best that I can determine from what you describe
[20-Jun-2007 11:41:25] <moredakka> This is even weirder. The same device that has only bee checking every hour I blocked the packets in the iptables to that device and zenping created another even that is incrementing properly but isn't clearing.
[20-Jun-2007 11:42:04] <moredakka> The site is actually down right now so I don't know why it didn't created another event for this or increment these properly.
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[20-Jun-2007 11:45:35] <moredakka> Alright, this is getting to be fun. So I cleared my entry in the iptables to allow access to that device again and the event hasn't cleared. Just for fun I wanted to test it again so I blocked that IP again and it incremented the event like it was never a problem.
[20-Jun-2007 11:45:42] <moredakka> Why is this doing this.....soooo weird.
[20-Jun-2007 11:47:06] <creiht> moredakka: For some reason some events stay active, and don't go away
[20-Jun-2007 11:47:28] <creiht> I haven't figured out exactly why this happens or of this is the desired way it should work or not
[20-Jun-2007 11:47:37] <moredakka> that's what it seems...but it only seems to be that way for these two devices....I've tested with a couple others right now and it seems to clear those events.
[20-Jun-2007 11:47:52] <creiht> hmm
[20-Jun-2007 11:47:58] <creiht> I wish I knew as well
[20-Jun-2007 11:48:03] <moredakka> you and me both.
[20-Jun-2007 11:49:03] <moredakka> probably me more though
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[20-Jun-2007 11:54:24] <rkagin> Alright, I think I've read most everything about ZenPacks, but I still am not 100% sure about everything they have to offer.
[20-Jun-2007 11:59:50] <creiht> rkagin: Welcome to the club
[20-Jun-2007 12:05:14] <rkagin> creiht: 21 views and 0 replies to the post, so hopefully someone figures it out. Although I did read in a few places that ZenPacks was meant for monitors and performance graphs of specific devices, rather than what the code seems to indicate (skins, objects, etc.). So I'm not entirely sure as to the true capabilities are of ZenPacks (although the code is much more believable).
[20-Jun-2007 12:06:04] <creiht> rkagin: As far as I am aware, zenpacks are for all of the above
[20-Jun-2007 12:07:03] <creiht> Theoretically the piece for graphs and stuff for specific devices is a bit easier
[20-Jun-2007 12:07:08] <creiht> as you can export them from the UI
[20-Jun-2007 12:07:27] <rkagin> creiht: And that doesn't use ZenPacks?
[20-Jun-2007 12:07:28] <creiht> then there is also the API for you to add functionality programmatically
[20-Jun-2007 12:07:34] <creiht> that does use zenpacks
[20-Jun-2007 12:08:02] <rkagin> creiht: That's what I thought - from the UI, where is the export functionality? I haven't really toyed around with the GUI.
[20-Jun-2007 12:09:09] <tech_guy> anyone have Zenoss running with cisco 7206?
[20-Jun-2007 12:11:07] <creiht> rkagin: I haven't played with it much, but I remember seeing it somewhere
[20-Jun-2007 12:16:18] <rkagin> creiht: Alright - the Admin Guide does a lot from the command line, but I noticed the zendump command, and am trying to now find that in the code, and see if that sheds light on ZenPack of some sort...
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[20-Jun-2007 12:41:48] <tech_guy> Anyone have their Zenoss pulling a Cisco 7206?? I am having problem getting it to add correctly
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[20-Jun-2007 13:02:03] <tech_guy> Is there a way to view/edit the plugins?
[20-Jun-2007 13:12:07] <zombor> is it possible to view graphs over a specified time range?
[20-Jun-2007 13:16:28] <rkagin> tech_guy: You can view/edit plugins through the Template tab of any device subdirectory.
[20-Jun-2007 13:22:19] <rkagin> zombor: I'm only aware of the zoom in/out functionality, but if you can somehow get your target range with that,then you're set.
[20-Jun-2007 13:24:27] <zombor> =( that was a nice feature of cacti
[20-Jun-2007 13:24:35] <zombor> for monthly reporting and such
[20-Jun-2007 13:28:59] <rkagin> zombor: You can choose monthly view if you wanted.
[20-Jun-2007 13:30:59] <rkagin> zombor: In the performance graphs, you can choose daily, weekly, monthly, or even yearly. From there, you can choose to zoom in on certain parts or zoom out from your current view.
[20-Jun-2007 13:31:50] <zombor> but it it monthly from today, or monthly from the first of the month?
[20-Jun-2007 13:32:58] <rkagin> zombor: The view does not do aggregate by monthly - rather, it zooms out until you view the monthly view.
[20-Jun-2007 13:33:21] <rkagin> zombor: I'm sure you could fidget around to create a graph that graphs aggregate use over the course of a month or whatever you would like to see.
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[20-Jun-2007 13:56:51] <moredakka> anyone know the prices of the 1st level of support for zenoss?
[20-Jun-2007 13:57:09] <moredakka> can't seem to find pricing on the site.
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[20-Jun-2007 14:10:57] <EvanS> anyone around that can answer a few questions?
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[20-Jun-2007 14:12:02] <EvanS> anyone?
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[20-Jun-2007 14:16:49] <solarce> ok guys, now let's answer questions, he's gone
[20-Jun-2007 14:18:40] <creiht> heh
[20-Jun-2007 14:18:46] <creiht> He was only on for 2 mins
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[20-Jun-2007 14:54:33] <tech_guy> is there anyone that can help with Cisco 3750 stacks in Zenoss?
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[20-Jun-2007 15:19:58] <moredakka> So anyone think there is a problem with the timings on this? "2007-06-20 13:07:37 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 84 jobs in 19.96 seconds"
[20-Jun-2007 15:20:32] <bzed> yes, there is, it'll kill large networks
[20-Jun-2007 15:20:35] <bzed>
[20-Jun-2007 15:21:04] <moredakka> 20 sec to ping 84 devices...I'll say that'll kill a network
[20-Jun-2007 15:21:26] <bzed> I killed the whole network on the debian conference
[20-Jun-2007 15:21:29] <creiht> Mine poll in .12 seconds
[20-Jun-2007 15:21:34] <creiht> haha
[20-Jun-2007 15:21:53] <moredakka> :-P
[20-Jun-2007 15:21:54] <bzed> and the zenping daemon went amok, too.. was not killable anymore, had to reboot my computer pretty hard
[20-Jun-2007 15:22:00] <creiht> wow
[20-Jun-2007 15:22:09] <bzed> I'll need to write a bugreport about that
[20-Jun-2007 15:22:20] <bzed> it should support to scan 65000 IPs
[20-Jun-2007 15:22:31] <bzed> nmap manages it without interrupting the network, too
[20-Jun-2007 15:22:35] <moredakka> well looks like it's having problems with 84...
[20-Jun-2007 15:22:43] <moredakka> so only 64016 left.
[20-Jun-2007 15:22:53] <moredakka> before the world ends.
[20-Jun-2007 15:24:37] <creiht> There is probably some sort of time out with the errors that you are getting
[20-Jun-2007 15:24:45] <creiht> Which is causing the longer times
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[20-Jun-2007 15:26:03] <bzed> creiht: you don;t want it fast
[20-Jun-2007 15:26:45] <moredakka> yeah my system is on that mentality as well.
[20-Jun-2007 15:41:18] <jailbreaker_>
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[20-Jun-2007 15:42:03] <jailbreaker_> is there a way to add the device name to the perf graphs ?
[20-Jun-2007 15:42:44] <jailbreaker_> i.e so that when you are watching all the stats for a group to be able to tell which i which
[20-Jun-2007 15:49:54] <giesen> it used to show that
[20-Jun-2007 15:49:57] <giesen> it's gone now for some reason
[20-Jun-2007 15:50:01] <giesen> I have yet to figure out
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[20-Jun-2007 16:08:15] <jailbreaker_> yeah, bout hte "custom" way to add it back ?
[20-Jun-2007 16:20:00] <moredakka> What would cause zenping to only ping every hour on the hour?
[20-Jun-2007 16:20:07] <moredakka> well not on the hour just every hour.
[20-Jun-2007 16:20:51] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 13:07:37 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 84 jobs in 19.96 seconds
[20-Jun-2007 16:21:00] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 14:07:37 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 84 jobs in 20.01 seconds
[20-Jun-2007 16:22:10] <moredakka> But it is actually scanning every 60 seconds as I'm testing all the devices being monitored and they are all counting in 60 second chunks.
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[20-Jun-2007 16:32:48] <rkagin> Anyone know about the events mysql database?
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[20-Jun-2007 17:10:25] <lytrean> I am trying to send an event from a python script. I specify a severity of 3 but it always shows up in the event list with severity 2.
[20-Jun-2007 17:10:44] <lytrean> Anyone know how I can fix that?
[20-Jun-2007 17:16:32] <rkagin> lytrean: Are you using XML-RPC or a REST call? Both of them I feel are documented well in the HowTo section on the community website.
[20-Jun-2007 17:16:44] <lytrean> xmlrpc
[20-Jun-2007 17:19:24] <lytrean> data structure I sent to serv.sendEvent:
[20-Jun-2007 17:19:25] <lytrean> {'device': 'a-server', 'eventClass': '/App/SomeOther/Stuff', 'component': 'SomeComponent', 'severity': 3, 'summary': '...'}
[20-Jun-2007 17:20:13] <lytrean> everything else is submitted properly. all other fields are filled in. the severity just seems to be ignored
[20-Jun-2007 17:20:15] <rkagin> And it's adding the device correctly with everything except for severity?
[20-Jun-2007 17:20:20] <lytrean> yes
[20-Jun-2007 17:20:39] <lytrean> if severity isn't specified does it default to 2?
[20-Jun-2007 17:20:57] <rkagin> lytrean: Try dropping the severity term and checking.
[20-Jun-2007 17:21:05] <lytrean> ok
[20-Jun-2007 17:21:23] <rkagin> lytrean: Or you could verify your syntax by testing it in a REST call (or typing it right into your browser).
[20-Jun-2007 17:22:39] <lytrean> Unexpected Zope exception: Products.ZenEvents.Exceptions.ZenEventError - Required event field severity not found'
[20-Jun-2007 17:25:00] <rkagin> That was through the REST call?
[20-Jun-2007 17:25:13] <lytrean> no. that was pythong
[20-Jun-2007 17:25:17] <lytrean> trying rest gimme a sec..
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[20-Jun-2007 17:25:46] <moredakka> Can anyone tell me what this means (Debugging zenping generates it) "2007-06-20 15:10:53 DEBUG zen.Ping: calling checkTimeout needlessly for x.x.x.x"?
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[20-Jun-2007 17:29:48] <rkagin> moredakka: Check out line 220-230 in this file, and see if it sheds light:
[20-Jun-2007 17:30:07] <rkagin> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/browser/tags/zenoss-2.0.0/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py
[20-Jun-2007 17:30:07] <adytum-bot> Title: /tags/zenoss-2.0.0/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[20-Jun-2007 17:30:32] <rkagin> moredakka: So somehow, that function is being called when there's not a timeout.
[20-Jun-2007 17:31:58] <moredakka> Ah....it's been awhile since I've worked with code :-/
[20-Jun-2007 17:32:03] <lytrean> ok figured out the severity thing. I created an event class and the zEventSeverity is, by default, set to Info. You need to set it to "Default" to overwrite it. ...
[20-Jun-2007 17:32:07] <moredakka> I was assuming that this "if self.jobqueue.has_key(pj.ipaddr)" fails
[20-Jun-2007 17:32:07] <lytrean> Is that a bug or a feature? heh
[20-Jun-2007 17:34:11] <rkagin> lytrean: Honestly, I never had that problem - I just defined the dictionary with all the values that they wanted, and then sent it off through ZenEventManager, and all went well for me.
[20-Jun-2007 17:37:21] <moredakka> I'm curious why zenoss debug is generating soo many "unexpected pkt" errors and "calling checkTimeout needlessly" errors. I also get "failed to parse host unreachable packet" errors (lots of those). All of these errors are causing problems with zenping and slowing it down.
[20-Jun-2007 17:38:41] <rkagin> moredakka: I don't think I'm knowledgeable to help you on that issue.
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[20-Jun-2007 17:38:56] <rkagin> knowledgeable enough, rather.
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[20-Jun-2007 17:39:27] <moredakka> Also, why is zenping debug reporting "unexpected pkt" on IPs that aren't even in my device list? (I have a host unreachable for 10.10.10.67 and that device doesn't even exist on my network) :-(
[20-Jun-2007 17:39:56] <moredakka> Thanks for listening anyways. I'm pretty sure that these errors are breaking zenping somehow.
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[20-Jun-2007 17:41:50] <rkagin> moredakka: Check the IP table that it's running through - maybe it's scanning every device between 10.10.10.0 and 10.10.10.255 or something along those lines...?
[20-Jun-2007 17:42:27] <moredakka> zenoss has an IP table that I can check? Under network?
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[20-Jun-2007 17:45:53] <rkagin> moredakka: Well, I only know stuff from a code standpoint, but IpNetwork.py creates a big list of IPs and then pings all of them to determine which are "good" and which are "bad". Maybe deleting all devices and re-auto-detecting the devices may solve some of the issues?
[20-Jun-2007 17:45:54] <moredakka> nvm, found it. it shows that device as up and responding to ping but if I ping from CLI I get nothing....
[20-Jun-2007 17:46:05] <rkagin> moredakka: CLI?
[20-Jun-2007 17:46:14] <moredakka> Command line interface.
[20-Jun-2007 17:46:19] <moredakka> ;-)
[20-Jun-2007 17:46:22] <rkagin> moredakka: Gotcha.
[20-Jun-2007 17:47:16] <moredakka> I guess the 2 things that are really bugging me and I'm trying to find the root is: I have two devices that zenping is only checking every hour and incrementing the count every hour.
[20-Jun-2007 17:47:22] <moredakka> and
[20-Jun-2007 17:48:13] <moredakka> I haven't seen the "2007-06-20 13:07:37 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 84 jobs in 19.96 seconds" in awhile. (even though it should be more like 0.17 seconds). I randomly see it on the hour but not always.
[20-Jun-2007 17:48:59] <moredakka> Also, deleting all the devices is not an option for me
[20-Jun-2007 17:49:10] <moredakka> Can I run that script on it's own?
[20-Jun-2007 17:51:25] <moredakka> One more thing, I've been told that the "not in topology" error isn't anything I should worry about?
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[20-Jun-2007 17:54:42] <rkagin> moredakka: Again, it's beyond me. I just am trying to research ZenOSS from a code standpoint, so my skills on debugging are limited at best.
[20-Jun-2007 17:57:51] <rkagin> moredakka: I also haven't gotten in depth as to where these alleged IP tables are stored (of all the good ips) other than the device list (which I now have to go back and locate, thanks for reminding me).
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[20-Jun-2007 17:59:32] <moredakka> ;-) At least something good came outta this. I've got it posted in the forums so cross your fingers and hope that a dev or anyone reads/responds to my post (doesn't seem to happen often for me. I do most of the talking in my threads...)
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[20-Jun-2007 18:06:34] <rkagin> moredakka: Best of luck - I got a response to my only question I posted on the form (about ZenPacks).
[20-Jun-2007 18:07:20] <creiht> rkagin: oh really? Wat type of response did you get?
[20-Jun-2007 18:09:29] <rkagin> creiht: Check it out on the forums: http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2312&sid=f07bdc4346ca18d045057ce5403f3bad
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[20-Jun-2007 18:09:29] <rkagin> [Probably should drop the sid part though]
[20-Jun-2007 18:10:33] <creiht> cool
[20-Jun-2007 18:10:48] <creiht> It's a start
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[20-Jun-2007 18:20:53] <rkagin> Yeah - tomorrow I'll probably truly parse through the answers, and any other questions I'll try and propose again. Who is this Eric though? Not Eric as in edahl, is it?
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[20-Jun-2007 19:00:26] <creiht> rkagin: It is a different Eric, but one of the devs, and a good guy
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[21-Jun-2007 03:46:17] <iuso> hi. i'm still experiencing the same problem as yesterday with not getting any snmp events from a device
[21-Jun-2007 03:46:47] <iuso> all seems to be working well, but one device won't report any events from snmp
[21-Jun-2007 03:47:12] <iuso> i've tried a lot of things already; i cleared the caches and heartbeats and all, and restarted more than once
[21-Jun-2007 03:47:45] <iuso> then i went to extreme measures and manually deleted all entries from the history and status databases
[21-Jun-2007 03:47:49] <iuso> still no luck
[21-Jun-2007 03:48:12] <iuso> zenperfsnmp persistently claims:
[21-Jun-2007 03:49:03] <iuso> "There are still 2 devices to query" "Problem devices: ['foo', 'bar']" "Devices status is not clearing. Restarting."
[21-Jun-2007 03:49:35] <iuso> this i get in zenperfsnmp.log every 5 minutes (when it tries to read snmp data, apparently)
[21-Jun-2007 03:50:23] <iuso> does anyone have an idea as to where this might stem from?
[21-Jun-2007 03:51:11] <iuso> (oh, i meant to say i'm not getting events from _two_ devices not one. but the other one isn't really important so i don't pay much attention to it)
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[21-Jun-2007 05:36:40] <Farhod> Hi, I need some help with installing zenwin, with python 2.4 and and pywin32-210.win32-py2.4 on win XP
[21-Jun-2007 05:37:11] <Farhod> while I want to run python zenwin.py -C etc\zenwin.cfg
[21-Jun-2007 05:37:42] <Farhod> I get error that do on exist logging module
[21-Jun-2007 05:38:10] <Farhod> maybe I should use other version of python?
[21-Jun-2007 05:38:21] <Farhod> I use latest of zenwin
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[21-Jun-2007 08:58:32] <spike> can you use zenoss as an invventory application with detailed info about the hw, apps running, etc?
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[21-Jun-2007 08:58:38] <spike> like a real inventory app would do
[21-Jun-2007 08:58:56] <spike> I cant install it now and would love to know if that's possible
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[21-Jun-2007 08:59:27] <spike> from this sshot http://www.zenoss.com/product/screenshots/7_desc I can see an "hardware" tab
[21-Jun-2007 08:59:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 08:59:31] <spike> which would suggest this is possible, but it doesnt say to which level of detail it goes
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[21-Jun-2007 10:27:34] <crazyal> Hey, anyone around today?
[21-Jun-2007 10:27:46] <spike> no
[21-Jun-2007 10:27:57] <crazyal> ah okay thanks spike....
[21-Jun-2007 10:28:23] <crazyal> I was just wondering whether it's pretty trivial to trigger a custom script if a server goes down?
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[21-Jun-2007 10:29:14] <spike> crazyal: I wasnt being sarcastic, there's really nobody around, but me, which knows nothing, and the bot which knows even less but it's also a lot annoying
[21-Jun-2007 10:29:47] <crazyal> spike: ah okay! I know there are a couple of the developers on here now and then
[21-Jun-2007 10:31:06] <spike> crazyal: by tge look of things it should get a bit more lively in a couple hrs
[21-Jun-2007 10:32:22] <crazyal> spike: cool. I think the answer to my question is yes but I wanted to check
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[21-Jun-2007 10:44:08] <moredakka> crazyal: We have a script that is triggered when a device goes down, calls a perl script, very easy to setup zenoss to do it.
[21-Jun-2007 10:44:19] <moredakka> Now if only I can get an answer about my zenping issues.
[21-Jun-2007 10:44:56] <crazyal> moredakka: thanks I don't know what zenping is though hehe. I'm guessing it's the Zenoss system that pings the servers?
[21-Jun-2007 10:46:03] <moredakka> Yeah and mine is partly broken and pissing me off.
[21-Jun-2007 10:46:05] <moredakka> :-/
[21-Jun-2007 10:46:18] <moredakka> did you figure out how to setup zenoss to call the script?
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[21-Jun-2007 10:47:41] <crazyal> moredakka: Well I haven't actually installed Zenoss yet, but one the big requirements is to be call scripts when the server goes down so I wanted to check first
[21-Jun-2007 10:48:39] <moredakka> Yeah, it's very easy to set that up actually.
[21-Jun-2007 10:53:47] <crazyal> excellent
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[21-Jun-2007 11:17:11] <creiht> spike: Most of us here are users that help out when we can
[21-Jun-2007 11:18:05] <creiht> We have day jobs as well
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[21-Jun-2007 11:47:35] <moredakka> just wish there was a dev online so my zenping issue could be addressed
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[21-Jun-2007 11:48:36] <moredakka> had a device go down last night and I didn't get notified from zenoss until 1.5 hours after it went down
[21-Jun-2007 11:48:42] <scanf> ah. There actually is one. hey you guys (well the project) sort of got slashdotted today so congrats first
[21-Jun-2007 11:48:52] <moredakka> it was down from 20:19:27.308 -> 06:56:09.497 and zenping only counted 12.
[21-Jun-2007 11:49:43] <scanf> so I just was curious if there was any kind of topological network map in the works?
[21-Jun-2007 11:49:47] <moredakka> and of course on a test computer it works no problem down from 2007/06/21 09:33:56.230 -> 2007/06/21 09:48:53.151 count of 16
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[21-Jun-2007 12:04:13] <solarce> moredakka: perhaps you should be using something known to work for your monitoring, and not have a single point of failure
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[21-Jun-2007 12:06:02] <moredakka> Well right now zenoss is being our single point of failure. we have 2 other monitoring systems in place to make sure that we are bring alerted when soemthing goes down because right now zenoss is extremely unrelyable.
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[21-Jun-2007 12:08:28] <solarce> if you have two other systems in place, then it isn't a single point of failure
[21-Jun-2007 12:08:53] <solarce> and if it's so important to use zenoss, maybe pay for some support
[21-Jun-2007 12:12:18] <rkagin> What does dmd stand for?
[21-Jun-2007 12:13:35] <solarce> doctor of dental medicine?
[21-Jun-2007 12:14:24] <creiht> da monitoring dood?
[21-Jun-2007 12:14:36] <creiht>
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[21-Jun-2007 12:17:02] <andrew_p> how does event collection via xml-rpc actually work? i have not found a single word in admin guide?
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[21-Jun-2007 12:24:25] <rkagin> andrew_p: It just uses xml-rpc to enter event information into the database. The database is parsed by the web interface and displays everything in the table.
[21-Jun-2007 12:31:19] <andrew_p> rkagin: ok, per my understanding some xml-rpc listener must be placed on each network machine to monitor its health remotely. then what makes xml-rpc calls, what triggers the listener to write data into db?
[21-Jun-2007 12:34:18] <creiht> andrew_p: I think you have it a bit backwards
[21-Jun-2007 12:34:43] <creiht> There is an xmlrpc mechanism built in to zenoss, that allows external systems to create alerts in zenoss
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[21-Jun-2007 12:36:37] <andrew_p> creiht: aha, ok. then are there any specifications of this api available?
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[21-Jun-2007 12:39:31] <creiht> yes
[21-Jun-2007 12:39:34] <creiht> looking..
[21-Jun-2007 12:39:38] <rkagin> andrew_p: I think the howto guide on alerts/devices does well.
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:14] <rkagin> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/send-events/
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:14] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:27] <rkagin> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/add-device/
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:28] <rkagin> Try those out.
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:41] <creiht> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/send-events/
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:41] <creiht> hehe
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:41] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:41] <creiht> rkagin: beat me to it
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:41] <rkagin> creiht: Yeah, but I jumped in, so you didn't know I was looking already.
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:45] <creiht> hehe
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:49] <creiht> no problem
[21-Jun-2007 12:41:01] <creiht> I'm glad someone else can answer these questions besides me
[21-Jun-2007 12:41:02] <andrew_p> rkagin, creiht: many thanks
[21-Jun-2007 12:41:07] <creiht> and cluther when he is on
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[21-Jun-2007 12:42:04] <rkagin> creiht: I hardly can answer questions. I've just done lots of looking around figuring out how ZenOSS works from behind the scenes.
[21-Jun-2007 12:42:14] <s34n> has zenoss implemented any ngoss stuff?
[21-Jun-2007 12:42:58] <s34n> I see that it can do some server config, etc. How extensive is that?
[21-Jun-2007 12:43:31] <creiht> rkagin: That's how most of us start
[21-Jun-2007 12:43:59] <creiht> s34n: Zenoss does everything Nagios does but more, and better
[21-Jun-2007 12:44:14] <creiht> IT will also allow you to use your nagios plugins if you so need
[21-Jun-2007 12:44:40] <rkagin> s34n: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/create-modify-nagios-templates/ (to back up creiht)
[21-Jun-2007 12:44:40] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 12:45:35] <creiht> hehe
[21-Jun-2007 12:45:59] <s34n> creiht: I'm not all that familiar with what nagios does in the way of actively provisioning things
[21-Jun-2007 12:46:09] <creiht> ahh
[21-Jun-2007 12:46:10] <creiht> well
[21-Jun-2007 12:46:31] <creiht> There are several ways you can handle provisioning
[21-Jun-2007 12:46:41] <creiht> you can point it at a network and auto discover
[21-Jun-2007 12:46:52] <creiht> or you can manually add by ip address
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[21-Jun-2007 12:47:33] <creiht> If the devices are properly configured with SNMP it will pull pretty much all the info that you need
[21-Jun-2007 12:47:42] <s34n> creiht: by "provision" I mean to configure/alter the state of the thing
[21-Jun-2007 12:47:46] <creiht> ahh
[21-Jun-2007 12:47:53] <creiht> Well there is a UI
[21-Jun-2007 12:47:55] <rkagin> creiht: Can ZenOSS discover devices without SNMP?
[21-Jun-2007 12:47:58] <creiht> yes
[21-Jun-2007 12:48:05] <creiht> snmp is the default
[21-Jun-2007 12:48:13] <creiht> and the only wayt that I have used it so far
[21-Jun-2007 12:48:28] <creiht> It also has a portscan discovery
[21-Jun-2007 12:48:41] <s34n> creiht: for instance, if I want to add an email account, or adjust the heat of a boiler, or something like that..
[21-Jun-2007 12:48:53] <creiht> ohh
[21-Jun-2007 12:48:59] <creiht> It doesn't do that type of stuff
[21-Jun-2007 12:49:04] <creiht> It just monitors the servers
[21-Jun-2007 12:49:13] <creiht> It doesn't do server management
[21-Jun-2007 12:49:13] <s34n> that's what I figured
[21-Jun-2007 12:49:34] <s34n> would anybody be interested in a project that can do that?
[21-Jun-2007 12:49:47] <creiht> Well there already is webmin
[21-Jun-2007 12:49:47] <s34n> and a way to integrate it with zenoss?
[21-Jun-2007 12:49:53] <s34n> not webmin
[21-Jun-2007 12:50:02] <rkagin> creiht: Looking at ZenModel/IpNetwork.py, it looks like it generates a full list of IPs, pings them all, and then creates an object to put in the network category before using snmp to get extra information?
[21-Jun-2007 12:50:55] <creiht> rkagin: Good question... I'm not completely sure... I've only experimented with the auto discovery.
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:07] <s34n> creiht: A framework that allows plugins/drivers for anything anybody cares to dream up
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:15] <creiht> oh
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:20] <rkagin> creiht: I'm trying to research the autodiscovery technique ZenOSS uses, and really going into depth with all the functions and subfunctions it calls.
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:21] <s34n> creiht: and adheres to NGOSS and other standards
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:25] <creiht> Well zenoss currently has something like that
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:28] <creiht> oh soryr
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:38] <s34n> so that it can be integrated with an NMS like zenoss
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:39] <creiht> I misread NGOSS thinking you were talking about Nagios
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:47] <creiht> googles NGOSS
[21-Jun-2007 12:52:08] <rkagin> creiht: Oh, hah, me too on the misread.
[21-Jun-2007 12:52:31] <creiht> s34n: That is a good question... I'm not completely sure
[21-Jun-2007 12:52:44] <creiht> I wouldn't be interested, but I can't speak for everyone
[21-Jun-2007 12:53:06] <s34n> creiht: zenoss can be good ears and eyes. But where are the hands?
[21-Jun-2007 12:53:34] <creiht> I type with them
[21-Jun-2007 12:53:43] <creiht> Along those lines
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[21-Jun-2007 12:55:37] <creiht> It does some things that you may be interested in
[21-Jun-2007 12:55:55] <creiht> like it can be set up to automatically run scripts when events occure
[21-Jun-2007 12:55:57] <creiht> err occur
[21-Jun-2007 12:56:30] <creiht> Zenoss also has a plugin system called Zenpacks that you could probably use to extend the current functionality to do whatever you want
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[21-Jun-2007 12:59:41] <creiht> off to lunch... bbl
[21-Jun-2007 13:00:09] <rkagin> s34n: ZenOSS is network monitoring software, not network administrative software. My understanding is that it's supposed to automate the watching process, and when something fails or whatever, then you can get an email or alert. It allows you to analyze how your system has been used in the past through several different performance features, etc. ZenPacks will allow you to add custom features to it, and export it to a package that you could hand off t
[21-Jun-2007 13:17:49] <rkagin> So no one know what dmd stands for? As in "dmd configuration" of objects?
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[21-Jun-2007 13:24:42] <s34n> rkagin: data mapping document?
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[21-Jun-2007 13:38:02] <Tenkawa> I just started messing with zenoss today
[21-Jun-2007 13:38:30] <Tenkawa> I'm using the v2 branch and I was wondering if there any other discovery protocols that I could use besides snmp
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[21-Jun-2007 13:43:32] <jbsnake> hello all
[21-Jun-2007 13:44:17] <jbsnake> is support for CentOS no longer available. the install guide for it seems to have vanished
[21-Jun-2007 13:44:54] <rkagin> Tenkawa: By default, it first pings every IP on a network, and then if SNMP is enabled, it also does that. For modeling, it uses SNMP, but can use various plugins for monitoring.
[21-Jun-2007 13:45:03] <Tenkawa> ahh
[21-Jun-2007 13:45:33] <rkagin> Tenkawa: So by that, you can add devices that aren't SNMP enabled, but you don't get very much information on them besides up/down time.
[21-Jun-2007 13:45:55] <Tenkawa> right
[21-Jun-2007 13:45:59] <Tenkawa> thats ok for now
[21-Jun-2007 13:46:12] <rkagin> Tenkawa: I hope that answers your question in some form.
[21-Jun-2007 13:46:18] <Tenkawa> definitely.. thanks
[21-Jun-2007 13:46:33] <Tenkawa> I'm going to add my subnet and a few ips now and let the discovery begin
[21-Jun-2007 13:47:04] <Tenkawa> well.. guess I'll do that when I get home to a browser I can run javascipt on.. heh
[21-Jun-2007 13:47:09] <Tenkawa> er javascript
[21-Jun-2007 13:48:10] <rkagin> Tenkawa: It uses AJAX too for the GUI.
[21-Jun-2007 13:48:21] <Tenkawa> ahh
[21-Jun-2007 13:48:29] <Tenkawa> yeah.. better wait till I can fire up FF
[21-Jun-2007 13:48:43] <Tenkawa> lynx/links/elinks aint going to happen
[21-Jun-2007 13:48:44] <Tenkawa> heheh
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[21-Jun-2007 15:08:30] <jbsnake> is there an install guide for centos?
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[21-Jun-2007 15:20:14] <jshadow> jbsnake, the rhel one should suffice I'd think
[21-Jun-2007 15:24:19] <jbsnake> well... there is a dependancy loop
[21-Jun-2007 15:28:52] <jbsnake> i install the packages it says with yum
[21-Jun-2007 15:29:06] <jbsnake> yum -y install mysql mysql-server net-snmp net-snmp-utils
[21-Jun-2007 15:29:13] <jbsnake> then the deps files
[21-Jun-2007 15:29:21] <jbsnake> rpm -Uvh zenoss-deps/*.rpm
[21-Jun-2007 15:29:26] <jbsnake> i get an error
[21-Jun-2007 15:29:40] <jbsnake> rror: Failed dependencies: libmysqlclient.so.14 is needed by (installed) perl-DBD-MySQL-2.9004-3.1.centos4.i386
[21-Jun-2007 15:31:26] <jbsnake> which... the way i see it... means it is trying to replace the file libmysqlclient.so* with one within this package
[21-Jun-2007 15:49:00] <moredakka> DEBUG zen.Ping: calling checkTimeout needlessly for x.x.x.x <- This is causing problems with zenping, it seems to be skipping 4/94 devices that I'm checking and that is the error that it generates for each one.
[21-Jun-2007 15:51:33] <zombor> how can i find out why I'm not getting a CPU Utilization graph even though SNMP reports "CpuRawUser"??
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[21-Jun-2007 16:06:24] <rkagin> Does the installation of ZenOSS require anything other than just python (version 2.4) and mysql (version 5.0+)?
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[21-Jun-2007 16:11:46] <blistov_> has anyone yet created an ebuild for zenoss?
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[21-Jun-2007 16:35:28] <moredakka> any devs here that can help me with my ongoing zenping issue?
[21-Jun-2007 16:41:56] <creiht> moredakka: For future note, you will be looking for cluther (he's one of their support guys), ecn (dev), _chris_ (dev)
[21-Jun-2007 16:42:04] <creiht> cluther is on the most
[21-Jun-2007 16:43:41] <rkagin> creiht: Do you by chance know where the device list is stored? I can see where it is called, but I can't seem to determine from where the list would be stored (since only alerts are stored in mysql).
[21-Jun-2007 16:44:08] <creiht> rkagin: They will be stored in the ZODB (Zope Object Database)
[21-Jun-2007 16:44:27] <rkagin> creiht: Viewable by /manage appended to the url?
[21-Jun-2007 16:45:09] <creiht> not really
[21-Jun-2007 16:45:23] <creiht> You can get the zope management screen that way
[21-Jun-2007 16:45:31] <creiht> but that doesn't neccisarily get you to the data
[21-Jun-2007 16:45:58] <rkagin> creiht: Just trying to figure out how data gets in and out of it, etc.; but I wanted to see where it was stored, and how it got there, as well.
[21-Jun-2007 16:46:07] <creiht> gotcha
[21-Jun-2007 16:46:15] <creiht> How familiar are you with Zope?
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:01] <creiht> Because all Configuration information (devices, services to poll, etc.) are stored in the Zope DB
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:04] <rkagin> creiht: Let's just leave it at not.
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:08] <creiht> hehe
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:18] <moredakka> Thanks creiht. I just wish any of them were here now so I could get this problem fixed :-/
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:20] <creiht> Zope has its own build in object database
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:23] <rkagin> creiht: As in let's leave it at "I'm not familiar with it."
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:27] <creiht> hehe
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:32] <creiht> moredakka: understood
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:54] <rkagin> moredakka: Make a script that alerts you when one of the three of them speak.
[21-Jun-2007 16:48:05] <creiht> unfortunately it doesn't have a nice command line interface like you might get with Postgres or MySQL
[21-Jun-2007 16:48:18] <creiht> There is kind of a command line for Zenoss though
[21-Jun-2007 16:48:24] <creiht> that allows you to mess with the data a bit
[21-Jun-2007 16:48:30] <creiht> just sec let me look it up
[21-Jun-2007 16:48:44] <rkagin> creiht: Ok, thanks. I toyed with the alerts a bit through sql.
[21-Jun-2007 16:50:06] <creiht> rkagin: In $ZENHOME/bin there is a script called zendmd
[21-Jun-2007 16:50:40] <creiht> which basically just runs $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/zendmd.py
[21-Jun-2007 16:50:58] <creiht> Which opens up a python console with various objects available
[21-Jun-2007 16:51:00] <rkagin> creiht: And dmd stands for...?
[21-Jun-2007 16:51:07] <creiht> that is a good question
[21-Jun-2007 16:51:12] <moredakka> I don't think anyone knows
[21-Jun-2007 16:51:34] <moredakka> Dynamic Monitoring Device
[21-Jun-2007 16:51:41] <creiht> rkagin: But it will let you play with the internals
[21-Jun-2007 16:52:23] <rkagin> creiht: Alright, I'm going to go through the code to see what's going down, since I only need to research it - someone else will specialize in actually using it.
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[21-Jun-2007 16:53:40] <rkagin> creiht: There's a debug function called addDevicesTest() that adds 40,000 devices.
[21-Jun-2007 16:53:49] <creiht> hehe
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[21-Jun-2007 16:55:57] <rkagin> creiht: Also, /ZenModel/DmdBuilder.py looks promising for understanding what structure is built on install.
[21-Jun-2007 16:56:20] <creiht> cool
[21-Jun-2007 17:01:11] <rkagin> creiht: So the next person you help, you can point them to that url as well.
[21-Jun-2007 17:02:08] <creiht> noted
[21-Jun-2007 17:02:23] <creiht> one of these days, I'm going to have time to run through the code
[21-Jun-2007 17:05:43] <rkagin> creiht: One of these days, I'm going to have time to check out what the GUI actually does.
[21-Jun-2007 17:06:08] <rkagin> creiht: I have a version running, but my role right now is to understand how things work, now how to navigate through it.
[21-Jun-2007 17:06:20] <rkagin> not how, rather.
[21-Jun-2007 17:08:50] <creiht> heh
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[21-Jun-2007 17:15:35] <rkagin> creiht: Speaking of which, you installed ZenOSS on your server - was there anything required besides python 2.4 and mysql 5.0+?
[21-Jun-2007 17:16:30] <rkagin> I've been reading about certain dependencies from debian installs, but I can't seem to find a quick outline of what was deduced (http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5017).
[21-Jun-2007 17:16:30] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Ubuntu packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 17:19:37] <rkagin> For the future, this may be of some help to people installing ZenOSS on Centos:
[21-Jun-2007 17:19:51] <rkagin> http://www.webaj.com/how-install-zenoss-1-1-2-centos-5-0-server-and-network-monitoring.htm
[21-Jun-2007 17:19:51] <adytum-bot> Title: How to install Zenoss 1.1.2 on Centos 5.0 - Server and network monitoring. | webAJ.com (at www.webaj.com)
[21-Jun-2007 17:19:53] <creiht> rkagin: I believe that is it
[21-Jun-2007 17:20:18] <creiht> It includes all the other dependencies
[21-Jun-2007 17:20:36] <creiht> That may have changed a bit with 2.0
[21-Jun-2007 17:20:48] <creiht> I think with the RPM build there is a dependencies RPM
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[21-Jun-2007 17:21:15] <creiht> and when the debian stuff is done, it should pull all dependencies from packages already available
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[21-Jun-2007 17:22:51] <rkagin> creiht: Where would I find this alleged dependencies RPM? As for the debian stuff, I found this link as well: http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1551
[21-Jun-2007 17:22:51] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Installing on Debian etch using mostly native packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 17:22:55] <djhabeeb> anyone know what would be the cause of zenstatus process not staying up?
[21-Jun-2007 17:23:57] <rkagin> djhabeeb: What do you mean? I'm not sure I could help you, but more explanation may perk a few ears in here.
[21-Jun-2007 17:24:12] <djhabeeb> well if i go to the zenoss page
[21-Jun-2007 17:24:13] <djhabeeb> click about
[21-Jun-2007 17:24:19] <djhabeeb> the zenstatus process always shows as down
[21-Jun-2007 17:24:22] <djhabeeb> even after a restart
[21-Jun-2007 17:24:33] <djhabeeb> i mean after a restart it stays up for awhile....then goes back to being down
[21-Jun-2007 17:24:51] <djhabeeb> thought the log files were getting too big.....cleared that and still no luck
[21-Jun-2007 17:25:33] <rkagin> djahbeeb: Is zenstatus down for any particular devices, or all devices?
[21-Jun-2007 17:25:58] <rkagin> djhabeeb: Also, is zenstatus simply not polling, or is it returning that the device is down?
[21-Jun-2007 17:26:01] <djhabeeb> its down on the host
[21-Jun-2007 17:26:16] <djhabeeb> zenstatus is a process that runs on the zenoss host
[21-Jun-2007 17:26:17] <moredakka> creiht you know that problem I'm having with zenping? I don't know if I've narrowed it at all but in the zenping logs it shows:
[21-Jun-2007 17:26:18] <moredakka> 2007-06-21 15:23:45 DEBUG zen.ZenPing: starting 1.1.1.1
[21-Jun-2007 17:26:18] <moredakka> 2007-06-21 15:23:45 DEBUG zen.Ping: send icmp to '1.1.1.1'
[21-Jun-2007 17:26:42] <djhabeeb> zenstatus view log Down
[21-Jun-2007 17:26:59] <moredakka> but I never get:
[21-Jun-2007 17:27:00] <moredakka> 2007-06-21 15:23:45 DEBUG zen.Ping: echo reply pkt 1.1.1.1 <ICMP packet 0 0 24795 0>
[21-Jun-2007 17:27:00] <moredakka> 2007-06-21 15:23:45 DEBUG zen.Ping: pj succeed for 1.1.1.1
[21-Jun-2007 17:27:00] <moredakka> 2007-06-21 15:23:45 DEBUG zen.ZenPing: Success 1.1.1.1
[21-Jun-2007 17:27:00] <creiht> rkagin: I'm not sure... I've just heard people talk about it
[21-Jun-2007 17:27:33] <moredakka> or that it failed or anything at all. I've tried removing the device and re-adding it but it doesn't make a difference, it's like it doesn't remove it from the dbase.
[21-Jun-2007 17:28:12] <creiht> moredakka: hmm... sorry... I wish I could help more, but you have me stumped
[21-Jun-2007 17:29:20] <rkagin> moredakka: If it has it's own ip, what about release/renew it?
[21-Jun-2007 17:29:43] <rkagin> djhabeeb: I'm not really sure I can help you on that one, sorry. Don't really do well with debugging as of yet.
[21-Jun-2007 17:30:01] <djhabeeb> np thanks anyway
[21-Jun-2007 17:30:23] <rkagin> creiht: Alright, well the post on the debian install seemed to help somewhat with the missing dependencies, but that should be taken care of in zenoss2.0 for the most part, I think.
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[21-Jun-2007 17:31:10] <moredakka> rkagin: What do you mean, these are static IPs for the zenoss box and the device it's monitoring. I even tried to reboot the zenoss box but that didn't make a diff
[21-Jun-2007 17:31:49] <moredakka> bah, and I keep getting "DEBUG zen.Ping: calling checkTimeout needlessly for 1.1.1.1"
[21-Jun-2007 17:32:58] <djhabeeb> is using nagios scripts on zenoss as simple as just porting the commands over?
[21-Jun-2007 17:34:15] <creiht> djhabeeb: It is as easy as copying the script into a folder in the zenoss directory
[21-Jun-2007 17:34:34] <creiht> And then you have to use the UI to setup which script you want to call and how often
[21-Jun-2007 17:34:39] <djhabeeb> what are the variables it uses?
[21-Jun-2007 17:34:44] <djhabeeb> i ported over the scripts
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:10] <creiht> djhabeeb: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/create-modify-nagios-templates/
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:10] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:10] <djhabeeb> but not sure if its working since i dont think the variables are the same
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:10] <djhabeeb> ah cool
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:10] <djhabeeb> thanks
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:10] <creiht> np
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:17] <creiht> I've only done a little bit with then, re-using the http_check
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:41] <djhabeeb> ah that helps.....the variables are different
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:59] <djhabeeb> nagios is $HOST$ ......zenoss is $devname
[21-Jun-2007 17:36:29] <creiht> ahh
[21-Jun-2007 17:37:24] <rkagin> moredakka: Sorry, got no other techniques other than my limited ones.
[21-Jun-2007 17:45:12] <moredakka> ;-) that's all good ;-)
[21-Jun-2007 17:46:24] <jshadow> anyone running into problems renaming datapoints on 2?
[21-Jun-2007 17:46:33] <jshadow> I'm getting errors
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[21-Jun-2007 18:10:46] <moredakka> creiht are you still around?
[21-Jun-2007 18:10:52] <creiht> somewhat
[21-Jun-2007 18:10:55] <moredakka> ha
[21-Jun-2007 18:11:04] <moredakka> had a different question now.
[21-Jun-2007 18:11:07] <creiht> hehe ok
[21-Jun-2007 18:12:25] <moredakka> I haven't done this myself but my boss has been working with zenoss a litle bit. He set his machine up to be a windows "server" but it wasn't reading the memoryPagesPerSec, memoryAvailableKBytes or cpuPercentProcessorTime properly until he installed something (can't remember the fix) on his computer.
[21-Jun-2007 18:12:38] <moredakka> zenoss wasn't reading that.
[21-Jun-2007 18:13:07] <moredakka> but he has solar winds demo of the same kinda software that zenoss is and it was able to read those OIDs no problem. What could be the problem with zenoss?
[21-Jun-2007 18:13:52] <creiht> Well you have a couple of options
[21-Jun-2007 18:14:31] <creiht> One is that you install snmp-informant on the boxes, which is what enables those OIDs to be polled via snmp
[21-Jun-2007 18:14:43] <creiht> Or you could use ZenWin to pull the information via WMI
[21-Jun-2007 18:14:50] <creiht> I haven't used ZenWin yet
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:00] <moredakka> Is that just in 2.0
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:02] <moredakka> ?
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:07] <creiht> I'm guessing that solar winds stuff pulls via WMI
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:26] <creiht> 2.0 introduced a linux port of ZenWin
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:30] <moredakka> Because installing anything on our cusomter's servers isn't an option.
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:37] <moredakka> Ah but it should be on 1.1.1?
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:49] <creiht> on older versions you had to run zenwin on a windows box I believe
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:51] <creiht> ahh
[21-Jun-2007 18:16:50] <moredakka> older version being 1.1.1?
[21-Jun-2007 18:16:55] <creiht> yes
[21-Jun-2007 18:17:02] <creiht> I think
[21-Jun-2007 18:17:07] <creiht> I've never used the ZenWin stuff
[21-Jun-2007 18:17:30] <moredakka> Well I'm going to look it up ;-)
[21-Jun-2007 18:17:31] <moredakka> thnx
[21-Jun-2007 18:18:32] <creiht> np
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[21-Jun-2007 18:59:10] <MNSain> Hi. Anyone around
[21-Jun-2007 18:59:44] <rkagin> I'm around for now before I head home from work.
[21-Jun-2007 19:00:01] <MNSain> Mind if I ask a real quick question?
[21-Jun-2007 19:00:28] <rkagin> MNSain: Really gave me a chance there. I'll try to answer, but I can't guarantee.
[21-Jun-2007 19:00:36] <rkagin> :-)
[21-Jun-2007 19:00:41] <MNSain> :-)
[21-Jun-2007 19:01:00] <rkagin> MNSain: Seriously, though, go ahead.
[21-Jun-2007 19:01:23] <MNSain> rkagin: I'm running CentOS 4.4 and upgraded from 1.1.1 to 2.0.0.
[21-Jun-2007 19:01:40] <MNSain> When I go to the login page I get "Resource not found."
[21-Jun-2007 19:01:50] * MNSain is stumped.
[21-Jun-2007 19:02:18] <rkagin> MNSain: I can't really help on that issue. But I did find this article earlier: http://www.webaj.com/how-install-zenoss-1-1-2-centos-5-0-server-and-network-monitoring.htm
[21-Jun-2007 19:02:18] <adytum-bot> Title: How to install Zenoss 1.1.2 on Centos 5.0 - Server and network monitoring. | webAJ.com (at www.webaj.com)
[21-Jun-2007 19:02:20] <rkagin> MNSain: Best advice I can offer is that url, and hopefully you have something in common with that.
[21-Jun-2007 19:03:41] <MNSain> rkagin: Ok, I'll check it out. Thanks.
[21-Jun-2007 19:03:47] <MNSain> Have a good night.
[21-Jun-2007 19:03:48] <rkagin> MNSain: Best of luck.
[21-Jun-2007 19:03:50] <andrew_p> clearing browser's cache is also worth trying 2.0 is picky about that
[21-Jun-2007 19:04:21] <andrew_p> anybody knows how to send an event clearance via xml-rpc?
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[21-Jun-2007 19:07:57] <rkagin> andrew_p: What's the problem?
[21-Jun-2007 19:10:17] <|andrew_p|> rkagin: i was playing with xml-rpc, created a bunch of events and now i'd like to clear them
[21-Jun-2007 19:11:22] <rkagin> |andrew_p|: Well I had some problems making them disappear, but I was able to send a clearing event. Are you talking about the former, or latter?
[21-Jun-2007 19:12:15] <|andrew_p|> rkagin: sorry? i need a clearing event
[21-Jun-2007 19:12:34] <|andrew_p|> maybe setting severity to 0 will help.. trying
[21-Jun-2007 19:13:24] <rkagin> |andrew_p|: Sorry, I should have suggested that earlier. That's what I did, and it seemed to work.
[21-Jun-2007 19:13:36] <|andrew_p|> rkagin: ok, great!
[21-Jun-2007 19:13:50] <rkagin> |andrew_p|: And it worked?
[21-Jun-2007 19:14:22] <|andrew_p|> rkagin: yes
[21-Jun-2007 19:14:43] <rkagin> |andrew_p|: Most of the information regarding the variables can be seen in the howto section: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/send-events/
[21-Jun-2007 19:14:43] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 19:14:48] <|andrew_p|> rkagin: yep, great link
[21-Jun-2007 19:15:02] <rkagin> |andrew_p|: No problem - and now I'm done with work.
[21-Jun-2007 19:15:11] <rkagin> I'm out for now.
[21-Jun-2007 19:15:15] <|andrew_p|> (stupid isp cycled screwed up my connection while i was playing with xml-rpc)
[21-Jun-2007 19:15:21] <|andrew_p|> rkagin: have a nice day
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[21-Jun-2007 19:46:07] <MNSain> I suspect that there's still something left over from 1.1.1. I'm thinking that I'm just going to have to remove the whole thing and reload it from scratch.
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[21-Jun-2007 20:38:24] <MNSain> For the sake of the log, wiping out my attempt to upgrade zenoss and reloading 2.0.0 from scratch worked fine.
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[21-Jun-2007 21:23:42] <illsci> hey whats up
[21-Jun-2007 21:24:08] <illsci> does zenoss support different displays based on users...
[21-Jun-2007 21:24:28] <illsci> like can you restrict the view based on user
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[21-Jun-2007 21:29:09] <MNSain> I believe you can accomplish that with Roles, but I've never done it.
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[21-Jun-2007 21:36:54] <djhabeeb> anyone know what would cause zenstatus process to keep going down?
[21-Jun-2007 21:37:08] <djhabeeb> everytime i start it back up it just dies again shortly after
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[22-Jun-2007 07:26:18] <stennie> howdy .. anyone around who can offer tips on getting zenoss installed on os x 10.4 (intel) ?
[22-Jun-2007 07:27:14] <stennie> all bar 3 of the zenoss processes start up for me : zenmodeler, zenperfsnmp, and zenprocess being the exceptions
[22-Jun-2007 07:29:25] <stennie> fwiw, all 3 problem processes die when you try to start them with a rather cryptic "MacOS.Error: (-5551, 'undefined selector was passed to Gestalt')"
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[22-Jun-2007 09:05:13] <Bulwinkle> can anyone tell me how easy it will be to move a configuration running on one system (development) to another (production)?
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[22-Jun-2007 10:05:47] <moredakka> Awww....where have all to devs gone lately?
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[22-Jun-2007 10:13:28] <Robbadub> hey quux
[22-Jun-2007 10:13:32] <Robbadub> Hello
[22-Jun-2007 10:13:41] <Robbadub> r you from NL?
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[22-Jun-2007 10:41:32] <tty01> anyone know why after doing zenmib run MIBFILE i still cant snmpwalk it
[22-Jun-2007 10:41:43] <tty01> snmpwalk the device i mean
[22-Jun-2007 10:42:03] <creiht> tty01: That shouldn't have anything to do with zenmib
[22-Jun-2007 10:42:13] <creiht> Check that you are using the correct snmp community string
[22-Jun-2007 10:42:18] <tty01> strings right
[22-Jun-2007 10:42:22] <creiht> and that the device is allowing snmp connections from your server
[22-Jun-2007 10:42:31] <tty01> its loaded on a older zenoss box
[22-Jun-2007 10:42:36] <tty01> and i can walk it
[22-Jun-2007 10:42:48] <tty01> i copied over the same MIB file to the newer zenoss box
[22-Jun-2007 10:43:09] <creiht> are you talkinga bout an snmpwalk from the command line?
[22-Jun-2007 10:43:29] <tty01> well if i cant walk it, then zenoss wont be able to discover it either
[22-Jun-2007 10:43:50] <tty01> am i doing it wrong to load it into the box?
[22-Jun-2007 10:44:15] <creiht> As far as I understand, doing a basic snmpwalk doesn't need any mibs loaded
[22-Jun-2007 10:44:26] <tty01> community string is definitely right
[22-Jun-2007 10:44:44] <creiht> is the device a server, or some type of networking device?
[22-Jun-2007 10:44:53] <tty01> network device
[22-Jun-2007 10:45:03] <tty01> one of our main routers
[22-Jun-2007 10:45:12] <creiht> Did you have access to look at its configs?
[22-Jun-2007 10:45:22] <tty01> that i dont =\
[22-Jun-2007 10:45:31] <creiht> doh
[22-Jun-2007 10:45:39] <tty01> actually i think i do
[22-Jun-2007 10:45:58] <creiht> If you can, check the snmp config to make sure it allows your zenoss ip to access snmp
[22-Jun-2007 10:46:01] <creiht> my guess is it limits it to a select number of ips
[22-Jun-2007 10:46:08] <creiht> most places do this for security reasons
[22-Jun-2007 10:46:46] <tty01> ah ok i see it now
[22-Jun-2007 10:46:54] <tty01> it was sending traps to only the older zenoss box
[22-Jun-2007 10:47:25] <creiht> ok
[22-Jun-2007 10:47:34] <creiht> and for traps you will need the mibs loaded
[22-Jun-2007 10:47:39] <creiht> to correctly identify thme
[22-Jun-2007 10:48:02] <creiht> there are two pieces of snmp though
[22-Jun-2007 10:48:06] <tty01> yeah i thought the mib had to be loaded, even for a walk
[22-Jun-2007 10:48:12] <creiht> nah
[22-Jun-2007 10:48:25] <creiht> the mibs are only used when zenoss receives a trap
[22-Jun-2007 10:48:44] <creiht> At least as far as I understand
[22-Jun-2007 10:49:00] <tty01> works now
[22-Jun-2007 10:49:00] <creiht> cool
[22-Jun-2007 10:49:00] <tty01> thank you sir!
[22-Jun-2007 10:49:29] <tty01> anyway for me to add device and specify the ip for it?
[22-Jun-2007 10:50:01] <creiht> yeah
[22-Jun-2007 10:50:07] <creiht> Open up the web ui
[22-Jun-2007 10:50:26] <tty01> k
[22-Jun-2007 10:50:26] <creiht> and in the menu on the left, there should be an add device option
[22-Jun-2007 10:50:27] <tty01> yeah im there now
[22-Jun-2007 10:50:49] <creiht> put the ip in of the device, choose where you want in the device heirarchy, the community string, and any other options you want
[22-Jun-2007 10:51:01] <creiht> And then click the button
[22-Jun-2007 10:52:26] <tty01> what if i want to specify it by name instead of ip?....zenoss wont add it since its not a actual entry in dns
[22-Jun-2007 10:52:56] <tty01> discovery protocol is already set to none
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[22-Jun-2007 10:59:33] <tty01> ah never mind i figured it out....thanks creiht
[22-Jun-2007 11:03:01] <moredakka> creiht, you said you haven't used zenwin before right?
[22-Jun-2007 11:07:55] <Bulwinkle> can anyone tell me how easy it will be to move a configuration running on one system (development) to another (production)?
[22-Jun-2007 11:08:23] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: do you have questions with zenwin? I have it running quite nicely
[22-Jun-2007 11:15:22] <moredakka> yeah, I'm just not sure on how it acutally works. Does zenwin have to be installed on all the windows devices that are being monitored or does it get installed on another "zenoss server" that has an instance of windows then the main zenoss box polls from that one windows box?
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[22-Jun-2007 11:27:11] <moredakka> omg I %100 wish there was a dev around...
[22-Jun-2007 11:29:53] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: zenoss now uses SAMBA to poll windows. You don't need to install daemons on the windows servers any longer.
[22-Jun-2007 11:35:16] <creiht> moredakka: As far as I know is that it talks directly through WMI, so you just have ZenWin installed on a zenoss box which polls WMI on the windows servers. I believe that it does require a user on the box with certain rights to be able to read the WMI
[22-Jun-2007 11:37:57] <Bulwinkle> creiht: definitely... You provide the administrator (local to server) account to zenoss and it polls the server through WMI.... It has worked flawlessly so far.
[22-Jun-2007 11:41:24] <moredakka> Ok but currently I'm using 1.1.1, the zenwin deamon would ahve to be installed on those servers to get all the OIDs to respond properly?
[22-Jun-2007 11:41:54] <moredakka> The problem right now is, we don't have access to install extra agents and the company that we do monitoring for will not allow it.
[22-Jun-2007 11:41:56] <creiht> moredakka:
[22-Jun-2007 11:41:57] <creiht> err
[22-Jun-2007 11:41:59] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 11:42:00] <creiht> no
[22-Jun-2007 11:42:29] <creiht> on the old version you have to have ZenWin running on one windows machine that would then poll the other servers
[22-Jun-2007 11:43:03] <moredakka> Zenoss isn't reporting cpu usage and a couple other things on the windows boxes unless there is an agent or something like that installed on the windows machine
[22-Jun-2007 11:43:04] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: I'd highly recommend upgrading... there are step-by-step instructions on www.zenoss.com
[22-Jun-2007 11:43:12] <creiht> I'm not sure if the rest of the Zenoss has to be running on the windows box
[22-Jun-2007 11:43:25] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: the snmp extender does have to be installed... Its not an agent though.
[22-Jun-2007 11:44:01] <moredakka> I just can't remember the name...starts with an 'i'... :-/
[22-Jun-2007 11:44:22] <creiht> snmp-informant
[22-Jun-2007 11:44:26] <moredakka> Ahhhhhhhh
[22-Jun-2007 11:44:27] <moredakka> yes
[22-Jun-2007 11:44:48] <moredakka> without that installed zenoss wasn't reporting properly all the cpu usage and memory pages...etc....
[22-Jun-2007 11:45:08] <moredakka> but if I either upgraded to 2.0 or used zenwin that will fix the issue?
[22-Jun-2007 11:45:25] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: yeah... had that same problem... snmp-informant still needs to be installed with 2.0.0
[22-Jun-2007 11:45:35] <moredakka> boooo
[22-Jun-2007 11:45:40] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: but you don't need to install zenwin on individual boxes...
[22-Jun-2007 11:45:49] <moredakka> why doesn't zenoss read those oids properly?
[22-Jun-2007 11:46:10] <moredakka> Solarwind's product reads those oids right outta the box and nothing needs to get installed on the devices
[22-Jun-2007 11:46:36] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: *SHRUG*.... post something on the forum, maybe someone will answer
[22-Jun-2007 11:47:02] <creiht> moredakka: Windows doesn't expose the OIDS on its own
[22-Jun-2007 11:47:09] <creiht> That's why you have to install SNMP Informant
[22-Jun-2007 11:47:21] <moredakka> just to get off topic a little bit, with the monitors, the default one being localhost. How does zenoss know where that information is coming from?
[22-Jun-2007 11:47:21] <creiht> To expose the CPU and memory info
[22-Jun-2007 11:47:48] <moredakka> It just doesn't make sense that one product reads the not exposed oids properly and another doesn't unless you install the snmp-informant
[22-Jun-2007 11:48:13] <creiht> moredakka: It is probably getting it through another method
[22-Jun-2007 11:48:24] <moredakka> weird.
[22-Jun-2007 11:48:32] <creiht> Bulwinkle: I thought ZenWin allowed you to get CPU and Mem info?
[22-Jun-2007 11:48:38] <moredakka> well, I'll put that one on the back burner for a bit.
[22-Jun-2007 11:49:11] <creiht> moredakka: Well see that is what I was thinking, was that they were using the WMI, and that's why I thought that ZenWin would give you what you want
[22-Jun-2007 11:49:14] <Bulwinkle> creiht: I think it does... it will still flag SNMP errors if snmp informant is installed
[22-Jun-2007 11:49:16] <creiht> without having to install stuff
[22-Jun-2007 11:49:25] <Bulwinkle> creiht: (isn't installed)
[22-Jun-2007 11:49:32] <creiht> Bulwinkle: And that is fine
[22-Jun-2007 11:49:38] <creiht> You can modify the template
[22-Jun-2007 11:49:54] <creiht> to not try to pull the info through snmp
[22-Jun-2007 11:50:03] <creiht> But it should still be able to get it through WMI
[22-Jun-2007 11:50:38] <moredakka> So when zenoss uses zenwin it sends a request to the zenwin box which connects to the device?
[22-Jun-2007 11:50:41] <Bulwinkle> creiht: nid
[22-Jun-2007 11:50:57] <creiht> moredakka: Check out: http://www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg06648.html//www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg06648.html
[22-Jun-2007 11:50:57] <adytum-bot> Title: Re: [zenoss-users] Understanding ZenOSS 2.0 and ZenWin (at www.mail-archive.com)
[22-Jun-2007 11:50:57] <Bulwinkle> creiht: NOD
[22-Jun-2007 11:51:18] <creiht> moredakka: I believe Zenwin actively monitors WMI on the servers, and records information directly to ZenOSS
[22-Jun-2007 11:51:42] <moredakka> bah
[22-Jun-2007 11:51:48] <creiht> ?
[22-Jun-2007 11:51:51] <moredakka> if it works that way it won't work for me.
[22-Jun-2007 11:51:57] <creiht> Why is that?
[22-Jun-2007 11:52:11] <moredakka> I've got one box which is the only box that is allowed to access the customer's network via VPN.
[22-Jun-2007 11:52:41] <moredakka> unless the windows box can go through the other box via ssh or something like that it won't be able to see the machines we need to monitor.
[22-Jun-2007 11:52:52] <creiht> Is there a reason why you can't use Zenoss 2.0?
[22-Jun-2007 11:53:03] <creiht> Since ZenWin for 2.0 runs on the linux zenoss box
[22-Jun-2007 11:53:07] <moredakka> This might be a big reason to upgrade.
[22-Jun-2007 11:53:31] <moredakka> but there are sooo many problems with it still....it bothers me seeing all the posts about things that are going wrong with it.
[22-Jun-2007 11:54:16] <creiht> moredakka: I've been using it here for over a year without major problems
[22-Jun-2007 11:54:28] <creiht> Going through probably 4-5 upgrades in the process
[22-Jun-2007 11:54:37] <creiht> It has worked very well for us
[22-Jun-2007 11:54:43] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: I've been running it since 1.9.5 (beta 1) without any problems (besides me being an idiot)
[22-Jun-2007 11:54:45] <creiht> It does require some configuration
[22-Jun-2007 11:55:33] <creiht> moredakka: It would be interesting to see if you have the same problems with v2.0
[22-Jun-2007 11:55:40] <creiht> for the ZenPing stuff
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[22-Jun-2007 11:58:23] <moredakka> Yeah. I'm playing with the monitors to see if I can fix it or break it more.... :-/
[22-Jun-2007 11:59:00] <moredakka> So the trial software we are using for solarwinds is polling the snmp information and not wmi information. wmi extentions are not enabled on these servers so that isn't an option.
[22-Jun-2007 11:59:27] <moredakka> I'll just have to find the oid that zenoss isn't polling and build a custom mib or something to get zenoss to read those processes properly.
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[22-Jun-2007 11:59:41] <moredakka> just to get off topic a little bit, with the monitors, the default one being localhost. How does zenoss know where that information is coming from?
[22-Jun-2007 12:01:38] <creiht> moredakka: That is just what they call it
[22-Jun-2007 12:02:21] <creiht> zenoss gets a list of devices it needs to poll
[22-Jun-2007 12:02:29] <creiht> then itterates through that list polling each one
[22-Jun-2007 12:02:50] <creiht> so it knows what it is polling since it is actively polling each device
[22-Jun-2007 12:02:55] <creiht> but back to the Solar Winds thing
[22-Jun-2007 12:02:59] <creiht> right now
[22-Jun-2007 12:03:11] <creiht> Do you have Zenoss and SolarWinds monitoring the same devices?
[22-Jun-2007 12:04:01] <moredakka> My boss put solarwinds on his computer (trial) and we have a /2 dedicated box for zenoss
[22-Jun-2007 12:04:12] <creiht> right
[22-Jun-2007 12:04:18] <moredakka> 1/2 dedicated
[22-Jun-2007 12:04:25] <creiht> are they polling the same devices though?
[22-Jun-2007 12:04:29] <moredakka> yes
[22-Jun-2007 12:04:56] <creiht> do you see the CPU and memory graphs in both zenoss and Solar Winds or just in Solar Winds?
[22-Jun-2007 12:07:56] <Bulwinkle> creiht: is there a command line way to add devices by IP and automatically insert them in to a Group and System?
[22-Jun-2007 12:07:57] <moredakka> We see it on SolarWinds but not in Zenoss. Zenoss generates events:
[22-Jun-2007 12:07:58] <moredakka> Error reading value for "memoryPagesPerSec" on device1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.10.0 is bad)
[22-Jun-2007 12:07:58] <moredakka> Error reading value for "memoryAvailableKBytes" on device1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.2.0 is bad)
[22-Jun-2007 12:07:58] <moredakka> Error reading value for "cpuPercentProcessorTime" on device1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.5.1.5.6.95.84.111.116.97.108 is bad)
[22-Jun-2007 12:08:18] <creiht> Then I can guarantee you that it is not getting the info through snmp
[22-Jun-2007 12:08:31] <creiht> MS doesn't expose that information through snmp
[22-Jun-2007 12:10:10] <moredakka> how else could solar winds get that if it's not snmp or wmi?
[22-Jun-2007 12:10:18] <creiht> good question
[22-Jun-2007 12:10:19] <creiht> magic?
[22-Jun-2007 12:10:20] <creiht>
[22-Jun-2007 12:10:23] <creiht> I dunno
[22-Jun-2007 12:10:35] <moredakka> magic...haha
[22-Jun-2007 12:10:41] <creiht> I do know from experiece though that MS does not expose CPU info through snmp
[22-Jun-2007 12:11:10] <creiht> After reading too many MS knoledgebase articles, I finally found SNMP Informant
[22-Jun-2007 12:11:31] <solarce> creiht: any chance you can use the dell openmanage stuff to expose such stats, and not mess with snmp-informant?
[22-Jun-2007 12:11:48] <creiht> Quite possible
[22-Jun-2007 12:11:53] <solarce>
[22-Jun-2007 12:12:05] <solarce> I'll have to mess with that this weekend
[22-Jun-2007 12:12:33] <solarce> among the million other things to do, like learn how to setup squid :/
[22-Jun-2007 12:12:46] <moredakka> well back to my monitor question though, if I delete the 'localhost' monitor and add it back in then put the devices back into it will it start checking those devices again?
[22-Jun-2007 12:13:20] <solarce> yes/no/maybe?
[22-Jun-2007 12:13:30] <moredakka> haha
[22-Jun-2007 12:13:44] <moredakka> I'm hoping for a 1/0/0
[22-Jun-2007 12:13:47] <creiht> I've been wanting to do that so that we can monitor the RAIDS
[22-Jun-2007 12:13:53] <moredakka> not 0/1/0 or 0/0/1
[22-Jun-2007 12:14:02] <solarce> Bulwinkle: it's better to work out a scheme for using the xmlrpc interface
[22-Jun-2007 12:14:18] <solarce> I have an idea to use nmap and perl glue for autodiscovery
[22-Jun-2007 12:14:29] <creiht> moredakka: I don't think that would be a good idea
[22-Jun-2007 12:14:52] <moredakka> bah :-/ I'm trying anything to fix this zenping issue :-/
[22-Jun-2007 12:15:01] <creiht> If you want to try something like that
[22-Jun-2007 12:15:17] <creiht> you could just create a new monitor, and then tell your devices to use it
[22-Jun-2007 12:15:20] <solarce> bbl, rotating backup tapes
[22-Jun-2007 12:15:37] <moredakka> creiht: I've tried that but zenping doesn't ping those devices anymore.
[22-Jun-2007 12:16:17] <creiht> I think that is one of those pieces you normally don't need to mess with
[22-Jun-2007 12:16:28] <creiht> at this point I would recommend trying to remove it and reinstall
[22-Jun-2007 12:16:34] <creiht> and preferably v2.0
[22-Jun-2007 12:16:44] <moredakka> haha
[22-Jun-2007 12:17:45] <moredakka> The reason we haven't done that yet is how do we know that this problem doesn't exist in 2.0 and no one has addressed it and it will just happen to us again?
[22-Jun-2007 12:18:42] <creiht> You will not find out unless you try?
[22-Jun-2007 12:18:52] <creiht> Plus you have at least a chance that it might be fixes
[22-Jun-2007 12:18:55] <creiht> err fixed
[22-Jun-2007 12:19:06] <creiht> Worst case scenario you are in no worse a place
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[22-Jun-2007 12:20:21] <moredakka> heh unless I break the whole thing :-/
[22-Jun-2007 12:23:42] <solarce> how much time have you spent on this already? surely you can just pay to get some help?
[22-Jun-2007 12:25:31] <moredakka> Heh I checked into that... it's $3000 for a 50 device licence... :-/ And that's just for 24 hour email turnaround support :-/
[22-Jun-2007 12:25:45] <solarce> don't they have per incident support?
[22-Jun-2007 12:25:50] <solarce> I hadn't looked
[22-Jun-2007 12:26:46] <moredakka> Not sure, that's just what the email from the sales department said
[22-Jun-2007 12:28:04] <solarce> goodness, it's a tad more pricey than I would expect, but still, what's openview or other such packages cost
[22-Jun-2007 12:29:19] <Bulwinkle> solarce: I'm using the wget to do some testing
[22-Jun-2007 12:29:50] <Bulwinkle> For some reason ZenOSS isn't using all of my zSnmpCommunities when I do a wget 'blahblah'
[22-Jun-2007 12:37:02] <moredakka> Well I might have found the problem on the zenping issue I've been having for soo long :-/
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[22-Jun-2007 12:38:33] <creiht> moredakka: Oh yeah? What did you find?
[22-Jun-2007 12:38:54] <moredakka> Some of the devices that we have in the field sometimes don't respond quickly to pings so I set the response time in the localhost monitor to 700....but I was never sure if that was ms or sec...I think it's sec....
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:11] <moredakka> so the device would take an extremely long time to time out.
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:20] <creiht> ahh
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:21] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:25] <creiht> yeah that would probably do it
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:27] <moredakka> but it's weird that my test devices weren't having the same problem.
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:31] <moredakka> is it sec or ms?
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:38] <creiht> good question
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:45] <creiht> let me look at what I have them set to
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:46] <solarce> it should be epoch time like our apps use! :>
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:54] <creiht> hehe
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[22-Jun-2007 12:40:35] <moredakka> cause the default is 1.5
[22-Jun-2007 12:40:44] <moredakka> I set it to 50 and it breaks.
[22-Jun-2007 12:41:34] <creiht> I bet it is seconds then
[22-Jun-2007 12:43:37] <bapril> Anyone have a recipe to Poll n OIDs (one for each port) and graph the number of ports in a given state? (Trying to graph ports in use on an ATA)
[22-Jun-2007 12:43:41] <moredakka> Wow...need some labeling in there then. cycle interval is in sec, configuration reload is in minutes.....
[22-Jun-2007 12:45:17] <moredakka> Yeah it's totally in seconds. Watching the debug (I have it set to 7) and it took 7 seconds to time out.
[22-Jun-2007 12:45:45] <moredakka> It's still messed up that my local test machine in the same monitor as all the others was timing out no problem when I brought it offline...
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[22-Jun-2007 13:07:52] <moredakka> anyone here use splunk?
[22-Jun-2007 13:08:25] <moredakka> w/zenoss
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[22-Jun-2007 13:52:14] <bapril> when working with perf are COMMAND entries run locally or on the monitored device?
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[22-Jun-2007 13:57:01] <bmbr> im attempting to upgrade to zen2, but the install script is throwing an error waaaay down near the end at libsmi.. the build log simply says:
[22-Jun-2007 13:57:03] <bmbr> /bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
[22-Jun-2007 13:57:12] <bmbr> /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[22-Jun-2007 13:57:20] <bmbr> ich bin confused!
[22-Jun-2007 13:58:03] <bmbr> (i can compile libsmi ok by hand from the subdir)
[22-Jun-2007 14:04:14] <creiht> moredakka: I use splunk, but haven't actually tried hooking the two together
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[22-Jun-2007 14:18:04] <MNSain> I think I may have a permissions or a path problem in zenperfsnmp.
[22-Jun-2007 14:18:13] <MNSain> I get these error messages in the log:
[22-Jun-2007 14:18:15] <MNSain> ERROR zen.zenperfsnmp: [Failure instance: Traceback: exceptions.ImportError: librrd.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22-Jun-2007 14:21:00] <MNSain> I know that the file exists, but I don't know where to go next. Anyone have any ideas?
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[22-Jun-2007 15:25:00] <moredakka> anyone know if 2.0 has multi-level alerting or re-alerting (if something hasn't been fixed within an hour it alerts every hour)?
[22-Jun-2007 15:26:19] <MNSain> moredakka: I don't know for certain. Many of the people on the list are afk. Something about day jobs. :-P
[22-Jun-2007 15:26:45] <creiht> hah!
[22-Jun-2007 15:26:47] <creiht>
[22-Jun-2007 15:27:14] <creiht> MNSain: Just to let you know we are listening
[22-Jun-2007 15:27:30] <creiht> There are some questionst that I have no idea
[22-Jun-2007 15:27:39] <MNSain> creiht: LOL! I didn't doubt it.
[22-Jun-2007 15:27:54] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 15:28:15] <moredakka> creiht: do you know the answer to my question?
[22-Jun-2007 15:28:23] <creiht> moredakka: No... sorry
[22-Jun-2007 15:28:26] <moredakka>
[22-Jun-2007 15:28:34] <creiht> I still haven't installed 2.0
[22-Jun-2007 15:28:36] <creiht> yet
[22-Jun-2007 15:28:57] <MNSain> moredakka: I'm finishing up a few small problems with my 2.0 installation, and then I'll be in a position to tell you. :-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:29:15] <moredakka> :-D
[22-Jun-2007 15:29:16] <moredakka> yay
[22-Jun-2007 15:29:30] <moredakka> I'm happy with zenoss again now that zenping is all working again
[22-Jun-2007 15:29:40] <creiht> moredakka: good!
[22-Jun-2007 15:29:41] <MNSain> mredakka: Are you running an earlier version of Zenoss?
[22-Jun-2007 15:29:47] <moredakka> 1.1.1
[22-Jun-2007 15:30:08] <moredakka> I'll upgrade to 2.0 eventually
[22-Jun-2007 15:30:21] <moredakka> It's not really up to me, I'm just here to deal with the stupid problems.
[22-Jun-2007 15:30:46] <MNSain> moredakka: FYI: I had VERY bad luck upgrading to 2.0 from 1.1.1. Had to pretty much wipe and reload.
[22-Jun-2007 15:31:41] <moredakka> creiht: with the snmp polling from windows thing we were talking about earlier, I double checked with my boss and he verifies that wmi is off on those windows servers so solarwinds must be grabbing it from somewhere...a hidden oid?
[22-Jun-2007 15:32:00] <creiht> hmm
[22-Jun-2007 15:32:07] <moredakka> MNSain: thnx, it probably will be a clean install at a later time.
[22-Jun-2007 15:32:13] <creiht> good question
[22-Jun-2007 15:32:17] <creiht> I have no idea
[22-Jun-2007 15:32:36] <moredakka> where can I get a list of win2k server and win2k3 server mibs?
[22-Jun-2007 15:33:25] <MNSain> moredakka: Good plan. The only thing I have left to do is to figure out why Zenoss is giving me a heartbeat event on two processes that I'm not even using. Then I'll be ready to attempt notifications.
[22-Jun-2007 15:33:48] <creiht> MNSain: Try clearing the heartbeats
[22-Jun-2007 15:33:59] <creiht> If you are not running the procs
[22-Jun-2007 15:34:02] <creiht> they shouldn't come back
[22-Jun-2007 15:34:33] <moredakka> Yay and since I fixed that 700sec ping error I don't get zenping heartbeat errors anymore.
[22-Jun-2007 15:34:40] <MNSain> creiht: You mean move them to History?
[22-Jun-2007 15:34:41] <moredakka> (speaking of heartbeat errors)
[22-Jun-2007 15:34:55] <moredakka> clear the heartbeats in the event manager
[22-Jun-2007 15:35:59] <moredakka> do either of you know where can I get a list of win2k server and win2k3 server mibs?
[22-Jun-2007 15:37:45] <MNSain> creiht: I'm not sure where to clear them from. They changed the interface in 2.0.0. I don't dislike it... it's just... different. ;-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:37:54] <creiht> oh
[22-Jun-2007 15:37:55] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 15:38:02] <creiht> yeah.. sorry.. I'm not sure where in 2.0
[22-Jun-2007 15:38:14] <moredakka> haha...oops, forgot you were in 2.0 ;-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:38:17] <MNSain> creiht: That makes two of us. ;-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:38:24] <moredakka> three?
[22-Jun-2007 15:38:41] <MNSain> Moredakka: My bad. Three. :-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:43:16] <MNSain> Moredakka: Which platform are you going to run 2.0 on?
[22-Jun-2007 15:45:18] <moredakka> probably FC5 or CentOS5
[22-Jun-2007 15:45:26] <moredakka> depends on what my boss says.
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[22-Jun-2007 15:46:43] <MNSain> moredakka: I'm running 2.0 on Centos 4.4 and I wanted to give you a heads up... You'll need to install the python-rrdtool package or you won't get any graphs and a hearbeat error on zenperfsnmp.
[22-Jun-2007 15:47:01] <MNSain> Drove me nucking futs for two days.
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[22-Jun-2007 15:48:48] <zombor> does zen provide alerts when services go down?
[22-Jun-2007 15:49:11] <zombor> *email alerts
[22-Jun-2007 15:50:34] <creiht> zombor: yes
[22-Jun-2007 15:50:50] <MNSain> zombor: 1.1.1 did. I'm working on 2.0.0 at the moment. I'll let you know in a bit. :-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:51:04] <zombor> im using 2.0.0
[22-Jun-2007 15:51:18] <MNSain> K. Are you having trouble with it?
[22-Jun-2007 15:51:33] <creiht> 2.0 does as well
[22-Jun-2007 15:51:44] <creiht> That is a core functionality... I doubt they would get rid of it
[22-Jun-2007 15:51:59] <zombor> well, im not sure I know how to set alerts up
[22-Jun-2007 15:52:14] <creiht> zombor: First you add users
[22-Jun-2007 15:52:20] <zaf> what os is the vmware appliance running?
[22-Jun-2007 15:52:21] <MNSain> creiht: I'm sure you're right, but I didn't want to say for certain if I hadn't actually set it up, yet. ;-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:52:23] <creiht> Then for each user you can create alerting rules
[22-Jun-2007 15:52:25] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 15:52:39] <zombor> im tryying to go to "Services" then "add service" dropdown, but all i get is a spinning loading window
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:03] <creiht> to add alerting rules?
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:24] <zombor> well, thats not how i do it aparently, but yes, i was
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:31] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:33] <creiht> no problem
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:44] <creiht> In the main menu
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:50] <zombor> many things from the dropdowns just give me spinning loading windows though
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:54] <creiht> do you see a thing called Users?
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:57] <creiht> hmm
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:03] <zombor> i see no users link
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:13] <MNSain> Creiht: They moved it.
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:18] <creiht> ahh
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:23] <creiht> Well once you find users
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:24] <creiht>
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:33] <MNSain> Zombor: It'll be under Settings. There's a tab for it.
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:34] <creiht> click on a user
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:41] <creiht> ahh
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:52] <zombor> there it is
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:55] <creiht> The user will have an Alerting Rules tab
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:02] <creiht> if they haven't changed that either
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:06] <zombor> shouldnt i see the admin user there?
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:27] <creiht> I thought so
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:28] <MNSain> The tab for Alerting rules, but I dunno if they've messed with it or not. ;-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:33] <zombor> but i click the dropdown -> add user and i get a spinning loading window
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:34] <MNSain> Nope. Not in 2.0.0.
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:43] <creiht> zombor: What broser?
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:46] <creiht> err browser?
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:48] <zombor> firefox 2
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:01] <creiht> Do you have JS enabled?
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:05] <zombor> yes =)
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:07] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:17] <MNSain> I'm running Firefox 1.5 and it works.
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:22] <creiht> Sorry... Wish I could help more.. I haven't played with 2.0 yet
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:23] <creiht>
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:29] <MNSain> Try Internet Expunger.
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:30] <creiht> Guess I'm going to have to install it soon
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:32] <zombor> maybe ill try ie 6
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:35] <creiht> heh
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:41] <creiht> I heard it is much worse in IE
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:46] <creiht> They target Firefox
[22-Jun-2007 15:57:10] <zombor> is it using some sort of JS lib for ajax or something?
[22-Jun-2007 15:57:11] <creiht> zombor: Do you have any of the web developer plugins installed in FF?
[22-Jun-2007 15:57:14] <creiht> yeah
[22-Jun-2007 15:57:24] <creiht> To see if it is throwing a JS error
[22-Jun-2007 15:57:33] <zombor> creiht: yes, i have the web developer add on
[22-Jun-2007 15:57:53] <zombor> Warning: Expected declaration but found '{'. Skipped to next declaration.
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:15] <zombor> Source File: http://debian.imagemanagement.com/zport/dmd/ZenUsers/manageUserFolder
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:15] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss Login (at debian.imagemanagement.com)
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:15] <zombor> Line: 0
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:18] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:27] <creiht> Did you know that was on a public interface?
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:28] <creiht>
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:35] <zombor> yes
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:35] <MNSain> LOL!
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:40] <creiht> Sounds like some type of JS problem
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:46] <creiht> not sure what is causing it though
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:59] <zombor> =( i'd sure like to dump nagios
[22-Jun-2007 15:59:05] <MNSain> Zombor: Did you try it in IE?
[22-Jun-2007 15:59:17] <zombor> MNSain: yea, its totaly unusable in IE 6
[22-Jun-2007 15:59:22] <MNSain> Zombor: Yeah, I know the feeling.
[22-Jun-2007 15:59:48] <zombor> let me try safari
[22-Jun-2007 16:00:10] <MNSain> IE 7's no good, either.
[22-Jun-2007 16:00:46] <zombor> no go on safari too
[22-Jun-2007 16:01:17] <zombor> isnt 2.0 an official release?
[22-Jun-2007 16:01:29] <MNSain> Zombor: Yes, it is.
[22-Jun-2007 16:01:38] <zombor> so shouldnt it work?
[22-Jun-2007 16:01:52] <MNSain> Yes, that is the theory. ;-)
[22-Jun-2007 16:02:13] <zombor> seems like an obvious flaw
[22-Jun-2007 16:02:17] <zombor> unless its just me
[22-Jun-2007 16:02:35] <MNSain> I don't have Firefox 2 installed here. I'd have to check it at home and get back to you.
[22-Jun-2007 16:03:17] <MNSain> It seems really silly to upgrade my browser here and potentially break my ability to use Zenoss. :-P
[22-Jun-2007 16:04:32] <creiht> zombor: On the zenoss site they say that they are mainly onlys supporting FF at the moment
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:00] <creiht> They hope to support other browsers in the future
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:08] <MNSain> creiht: Right. And I know my copy of 1.5 works
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:21] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:26] <zombor> i just tried 1.5 and it didnt work either
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:31] <zombor> on a different computer
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:40] <MNSain> Hrrmmmm...
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:46] <MNSain> Something sounds broken.
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:55] <zombor> or should i be waiting longer than a minute?
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:57] <MNSain> I mean, with your install.
[22-Jun-2007 16:06:08] <MNSain> No. Mine is very responsive.
[22-Jun-2007 16:07:01] <zombor> how might i debug this?
[22-Jun-2007 16:07:29] <creiht> zombor: Install firebug
[22-Jun-2007 16:07:30] <creiht>
[22-Jun-2007 16:07:51] <zombor> creiht: i had that installed, but it made my firefox so bloated
[22-Jun-2007 16:07:56] <MNSain> Zombor: I wish I knew. I'm checking Google for a possible solution.
[22-Jun-2007 16:09:00] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 16:09:02] <creiht> true
[22-Jun-2007 16:09:15] <creiht> But it is invaluable if you are a web developer
[22-Jun-2007 16:09:30] <creiht> Do you have any other weird settings et?
[22-Jun-2007 16:09:45] <zombor> i am a web developer
[22-Jun-2007 16:09:53] <zombor> creiht: this is basically a fresh install
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:16] <MNSain> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=7135&sid=020c7f95e219d4929ee049a4841b7136
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:16] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - zenoss2 behind apache ssl (at community.zenoss.com)
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:16] <MNSain> Google is my friend.
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:23] <zombor> ah
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:23] <adytum-bot> http://www.myfriendmagazine.com/
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:23] <zombor> i am running it in front of apache
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:40] <creiht> ahh
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:47] <creiht> haha
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:54] <creiht> google 3+4
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:01] <adytum-bot> creiht: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:12] <creiht> haha
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:17] <MNSain> LOL!!
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:21] <creiht> Google Your Mom
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:28] <adytum-bot> http://yourmom.com/
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:29] <MNSain> LOL!!
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:32] <creiht> sorry couldn't resist
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:33] <MNSain> ROFLMAO!!!!
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:44] <MNSain> That's fantastic.
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:55] <creiht> google MNSain
[22-Jun-2007 16:12:02] <adytum-bot> http://www.torrentflux.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2817
[22-Jun-2007 16:12:09] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 16:12:15] <MNSain> hehehehe.
[22-Jun-2007 16:12:16] <bapril> anyone know how to do variable substitution in the Method Parameters of a XMLRPC Data Source for Performance?
[22-Jun-2007 16:12:38] <bapril> need to make one of the arguments ${devicename} and it's not getting replaced
[22-Jun-2007 16:13:06] <MNSain> bapril: Sorry, nope. Don't know the answer to that one.
[22-Jun-2007 16:13:07] <zombor> MNSain: ill try the solution in that thread
[22-Jun-2007 16:13:40] <MNSain> zombor: Cool. Good luck. Let me know if it works.
[22-Jun-2007 16:13:47] <zombor> would i have to reinstall?
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[22-Jun-2007 16:13:54] <zombor> im guessing not
[22-Jun-2007 16:14:01] <MNSain> I don't think so. It sounds like just a patch.
[22-Jun-2007 16:14:14] <creiht> google "What is the meaning of life?"
[22-Jun-2007 16:14:21] <adytum-bot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
[22-Jun-2007 16:14:30] <creiht> this is too much fun
[22-Jun-2007 16:14:40] <creiht> google "What is the meaning of life and everything?"
[22-Jun-2007 16:14:47] <adytum-bot> http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=85365
[22-Jun-2007 16:15:39] <MNSain> Hey crieht: Check this out.
[22-Jun-2007 16:15:42] <MNSain> google 42
[22-Jun-2007 16:15:51] <adytum-bot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything
[22-Jun-2007 16:15:59] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 16:16:31] <creiht> google "What is the answer to life, the unviverse, and everything?"
[22-Jun-2007 16:17:01] <creiht> hehe
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[22-Jun-2007 16:17:10] <creiht> I guess I asked a question it can't answer
[22-Jun-2007 16:17:33] <MNSain> google "What is the answer to life, the universe and everything"
[22-Jun-2007 16:17:40] <adytum-bot> http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=35935
[22-Jun-2007 16:17:40] <zombor> =(
[22-Jun-2007 16:18:08] <MNSain> Zombor: What's up?
[22-Jun-2007 16:18:20] <zombor> i did the change, but still broke
[22-Jun-2007 16:18:28] <MNSain> Damn.
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[22-Jun-2007 16:18:41] <zombor> maybe i need to restart the zenoss processes
[22-Jun-2007 16:20:10] * zombor crosses his fingers
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[22-Jun-2007 16:21:50] <creiht> google "Is anything better than zenoss?"
[22-Jun-2007 16:22:25] <creiht> I think the bot doesn't like me anymore
[22-Jun-2007 16:22:43] <zombor> maybe lots of things are and it doesnt want to tell you
[22-Jun-2007 16:22:49] <creiht> haha
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[22-Jun-2007 16:26:35] <KnckrBckr> still playing with both nagios and zenoss... i love the straightforward snmp collection of zenoss, but i am very confused about the IP service checks
[22-Jun-2007 16:27:11] <moredakka> creiht: I was reading in the chat history (google found it for me) and chet said that by default zenoss polls for the Informant snmp cpu usage while the device is in /Server/Windows/
[22-Jun-2007 16:27:43] <moredakka> So I moved it into a new group /Server/Windows-NoInformant and I'm just waiting to see if it polls the correct traffic.
[22-Jun-2007 16:29:02] <KnckrBckr> does zenoss natively have the same functionality as nagios' check_http and check_ssh service checks? For example, I have sshd running on all of my boxes, why does it not how up in the IP Services section of the OS Tab for a device?
[22-Jun-2007 16:29:12] <KnckrBckr> *show
[22-Jun-2007 16:29:20] <bmbr> has anyone had any issues using the install.sh script with CentOS5 and getting a vague error about libsmi?
[22-Jun-2007 16:29:43] <bmbr> it dies and points me to the build log, which shows an unexpected end of file
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[22-Jun-2007 16:30:06] <KnckrBckr> shows sshd running - tells me that via snmp - but I want zenoss to poll the box remotely to show me http, icmp, ssh, etc are running
[22-Jun-2007 16:30:57] <MNSain> Knckrbckr: I don't know about everyone else, but I use the processes section for that.
[22-Jun-2007 16:31:12] <moredakka> I use the nagios plugins
[22-Jun-2007 16:31:30] <KnckrBckr> i use the processes section too... but again this information is coming via snmp, right?
[22-Jun-2007 16:31:47] <KnckrBckr> not from a tcp/udp service check on the ssh port
[22-Jun-2007 16:32:08] <KnckrBckr> i actually want it to initiate a connection on 22, 80, 443
[22-Jun-2007 16:32:34] <moredakka> This is crude but it works awesome:
[22-Jun-2007 16:32:43] <moredakka> "/usr/local/zenoss/libexec/check_http -I ${dev/manageIp} -e "HTTP/1""
[22-Jun-2007 16:32:47] <KnckrBckr> just seems odd to me that zenoss doesn't have that basic function built in
[22-Jun-2007 16:33:42] <moredakka> " /usr/local/zenoss/libexec/check_tcp ${dev/manageIp} -p 23 "
[22-Jun-2007 16:33:59] <KnckrBckr> seems so rich in other areas... why not do something that whatsup and big brother have been doing for 10yrs
[22-Jun-2007 16:34:15] <moredakka> put those into a Class and it checks them ;-)
[22-Jun-2007 16:34:26] <KnckrBckr> place them in each device?
[22-Jun-2007 16:34:30] <moredakka> Nope
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[22-Jun-2007 16:34:31] <KnckrBckr> or general class
[22-Jun-2007 16:35:12] <moredakka> I have a class /Devices/Custom Monitoring/http-telnet/ and I have the devices that I need to monitor http and telnet under that class
[22-Jun-2007 16:35:21] <KnckrBckr> i see
[22-Jun-2007 16:35:37] <moredakka> I'm not sure if it works in 2.0, I'm running 1.1.1
[22-Jun-2007 16:35:57] <KnckrBckr> so you don't use the class definition as it was originally intended.. more of an asset tree
[22-Jun-2007 16:36:10] <KnckrBckr> use customize for each type of check
[22-Jun-2007 16:36:31] <zombor> MNSain: hooray restarting the deamons works
[22-Jun-2007 16:36:39] <moredakka> I have to move it out of the (eg /Device/Windows) class and put it in the custom monitoring class.
[22-Jun-2007 16:36:39] <MNSain> zombor: AWESOME.
[22-Jun-2007 16:37:10] <KnckrBckr> also, downloading 2.0 now... any improvements to this service check functionality?
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[22-Jun-2007 16:37:40] <KnckrBckr> just seems like i should have to hack this system to get a simple check_http-like check to occur
[22-Jun-2007 16:37:48] <KnckrBckr> shouldn't*
[22-Jun-2007 16:38:35] <MNSain> Knckbckr: It's not really a hack. The documentation specifies to do it that way.
[22-Jun-2007 16:39:04] <MNSain> See, I suspect that they didn't want to reinvent the wheel. Nagios checks work. Why rewrite them?
[22-Jun-2007 16:39:30] <KnckrBckr> i understand that.. but why not just integrate it right in?
[22-Jun-2007 16:39:50] <MNSain> Your guess is as good as mine, man.
[22-Jun-2007 16:39:52] <moredakka> Nagios handles the checks a lot better.
[22-Jun-2007 16:40:25] <moredakka> It should pretty much be a point, select and click type of operation.
[22-Jun-2007 16:40:57] <KnckrBckr> i suppose so... but is it really the best policy to break the "asset tree" classification and break the devices down based on what type of check you want?
[22-Jun-2007 16:40:58] <MNSain> I agree. Now if we can get the developers to see things our way, we'll be all set.
[22-Jun-2007 16:41:18] <KnckrBckr> also, what if i want to check ssh, http, iax, sip all on the same box?
[22-Jun-2007 16:41:59] <moredakka> With zenoss you'll have to create a class to monitor all those with the nagios commands....it's ugly
[22-Jun-2007 16:42:24] <KnckrBckr> oh
[22-Jun-2007 16:42:39] <MNSain> KnckrBckr: Under Servers/Linux/ add a new organizer: Asterisk Servers.
[22-Jun-2007 16:42:48] <KnckrBckr> done that
[22-Jun-2007 16:44:09] <KnckrBckr> i have /Devices /Server /Asterisk created with 2 boxes in it
[22-Jun-2007 16:44:49] <MNSain> K, so you should be able to add all the nagios checks you want to that container and not worry about them checking those services on boxes that don't provide them.
[22-Jun-2007 16:45:03] <MNSain> It's not a perfect solution. I know that.
[22-Jun-2007 16:45:06] <creiht> The device heirarchy is set up so that you can easily define a set of templates of how you want to monitor devices
[22-Jun-2007 16:45:18] <creiht> KnckrBckr: If you want, you can run any nagious script with zenoss
[22-Jun-2007 16:45:36] <creiht> Then latest version has it's own plugin system
[22-Jun-2007 16:46:03] <creiht> Which devs should start using to create their own plugins
[22-Jun-2007 16:46:10] <creiht> at least as soon as there are docs for it
[22-Jun-2007 16:46:26] <KnckrBckr> sorry, i am a bit of a noob... from /devices/server/asterisk - what tab do i click and under what field do i add these checks?
[22-Jun-2007 16:46:33] <KnckrBckr> i'm starting to understand...
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[22-Jun-2007 16:46:47] <creiht> In the end, it is a much more maintainable system
[22-Jun-2007 16:47:39] <creiht> KnckrBckr: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/create-modify-nagios-templates/
[22-Jun-2007 16:47:39] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[22-Jun-2007 16:47:39] <tty01> anyone know snmp real well?
[22-Jun-2007 16:47:56] <creiht> tty01: Not sure I would say real well, but I can give a question a shot
[22-Jun-2007 16:48:21] <tty01> i have a oid.....its supposedly the oid for client connections....how can i be sure?
[22-Jun-2007 16:48:51] <KnckrBckr> creight: thanks - i will rtfm and come back - likely with more questions
[22-Jun-2007 16:48:54] <creiht> tty01: You can run the command line command snmpget with the oid
[22-Jun-2007 16:49:04] <creiht> KnckrBckr: no problem... good luck
[22-Jun-2007 16:49:12] <creiht> Not completely sure the syntax
[22-Jun-2007 16:49:18] <creiht> probably something like
[22-Jun-2007 16:49:25] <MNSain> Knckbckr: Good luck. See you around.
[22-Jun-2007 16:49:42] <creiht> snmpget -cCommunityString ip_address OID
[22-Jun-2007 16:49:46] <MNSain> creiht: He could snmpwalk it, too.
[22-Jun-2007 16:49:49] <creiht> yeah
[22-Jun-2007 16:50:04] <moredakka> creiht: what's the snmpwalk command to get all the oids from a system?
[22-Jun-2007 16:50:04] <tty01> i walked it and it doesnt give me a definite answer
[22-Jun-2007 16:50:06] <creiht> Sorry I don't know the exact syntax... but something like snmpget --help should get you pretty far
[22-Jun-2007 16:50:25] <creiht> snmpwalk -cCommunityString -v1 ip_address
[22-Jun-2007 16:50:35] <moredakka> excellent...thnx
[22-Jun-2007 16:50:57] <moredakka> if I have rw on the server that won't try to write anything, will it?
[22-Jun-2007 16:51:19] <tty01> a walk doesnt write anything
[22-Jun-2007 16:51:24] <zombor> is it possible to simulate an event, such as a service failure?
[22-Jun-2007 16:51:25] <moredakka> kay, thnx
[22-Jun-2007 16:51:31] <zombor> so i know if my alerts will work properly
[22-Jun-2007 16:51:38] <tty01> kill the service?
[22-Jun-2007 16:51:49] <zombor> simulate
[22-Jun-2007 16:52:10] <creiht> zombor: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/send-events/
[22-Jun-2007 16:52:10] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[22-Jun-2007 16:52:10] <tty01> argh reading oid's are freaking confusing
[22-Jun-2007 16:52:11] <creiht> tty01: indeed
[22-Jun-2007 16:52:17] <bapril> add an ACL so your test-box can't get to it
[22-Jun-2007 16:52:43] <MNSain> tty01: I hear ya. I hate reading that crap.
[22-Jun-2007 16:53:57] <tty01> sigh i give up for now
[22-Jun-2007 16:54:14] <tty01> soooo....what do you guys do, as far as job wise
[22-Jun-2007 16:54:36] <creiht> tty01: I'm a web developer
[22-Jun-2007 16:54:47] <tty01> glorified typist!
[22-Jun-2007 16:54:56] <creiht> hah!
[22-Jun-2007 16:55:05] <creiht> No... a real web developer
[22-Jun-2007 16:55:07] <zombor> im a web developer/systems administrator/IT manager/video producer/etc,etc
[22-Jun-2007 16:55:18] <creiht>
[22-Jun-2007 16:55:24] <tty01> so zombor you're a underpaid person
[22-Jun-2007 16:55:26] <tty01> gotcha
[22-Jun-2007 16:55:32] <zombor> tty01: extremely
[22-Jun-2007 16:55:32] <creiht> I create apps that run on the web that run our company
[22-Jun-2007 16:56:01] <creiht> And I use zenoss to monitor those apps to make sure they stay up
[22-Jun-2007 16:56:06] <tty01> web development is apparently the wave of the future
[22-Jun-2007 16:56:12] <zombor> tty01: im mainly a php web developer though
[22-Jun-2007 16:56:46] <tty01> ah we're a apache/php shop
[22-Jun-2007 16:56:57] <creiht> php/python/java here
[22-Jun-2007 16:57:05] <zombor> im also a developer for the kohana php framework
[22-Jun-2007 16:57:27] <creiht> zombor: You need to learn python
[22-Jun-2007 16:57:45] <zombor> creiht: if i were to go to a new language, it would be ruby, not python
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:02] <creiht> heh
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:21] <creiht> I guess if you like to follow the crowd
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:31] <tty01> oooh! developer fight!
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:34] <creiht> haha
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:36] <zombor> ive been reading into ruby for years
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:39] <moredakka> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:47] <creiht> Sorry, it's friday, and I'm a bit tired
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:53] <zombor> its such a nice language
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[22-Jun-2007 16:59:16] <zombor> it makes php look like windows 95 compared to os x
[22-Jun-2007 16:59:21] <creiht> heh
[22-Jun-2007 16:59:35] <creiht> It is definately better than PHP
[22-Jun-2007 16:59:40] <creiht> but that doesn't say much
[22-Jun-2007 16:59:42] <zombor> but php pays my bills, so im stuck with it
[22-Jun-2007 16:59:56] <bapril> ok so is there a secret stash of Zenoss docs somewhere? I've seen people get fired for the kind of stuff on the zenoss.com
[22-Jun-2007 17:00:29] <creiht> bapril: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs
[22-Jun-2007 17:00:29] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[22-Jun-2007 17:02:37] <bapril> yea... that was fine for getting installed and working then it seems to have left me hanging with lots of single paragraph blurbs of almost no value
[22-Jun-2007 17:03:11] <creiht> bapril: What do you need?
[22-Jun-2007 17:03:43] <creiht> The Zenoss Guide is probably the most comprehensive that they have
[22-Jun-2007 17:03:55] <creiht> And then there are some user written how-to's on top of that
[22-Jun-2007 17:04:08] <bapril> At the moment the trick to allow me to use variable substitution in the "Method Parameters" when pulling perf data via XMLRPC.
[22-Jun-2007 17:04:09] <creiht> They cover most of the average stuff you want to do
[22-Jun-2007 17:04:35] <creiht> bapril: Ah yes... unfortunately some of the more advanced things like that haven't been documented very well yet
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[22-Jun-2007 17:04:41] <MNSain> creiht: I gotta take off. I'll see you Monday.
[22-Jun-2007 17:04:53] <creiht> MNSain: Have a good weekend
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[22-Jun-2007 17:05:07] <MNSain> creiht: You, too. :-)
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[22-Jun-2007 17:05:24] <bapril> ok, mainly wanted to make sure I wasn't pulling my hair-out for no reason.
[22-Jun-2007 17:06:15] <creiht> The only other suggestion is that you might search the forum to see if anyone else has asked the question
[22-Jun-2007 17:06:23] <bapril> been there too
[22-Jun-2007 17:06:27] <creiht> Or post to the forum to see if you can get a dev response
[22-Jun-2007 17:06:58] <bapril> That's my next step, wanted to be sure I'm not asking a question that has been asked 1000 times already
[22-Jun-2007 17:13:03] <KnckrBckr> The class Devices/Server/Asterisk/PerfConf/Asterisk Checks is now created... i have created simple check_http and check_ssh nagios checks, both tested from the command line... doesn't seem they are applied to the two class devices, how do I enable this class (Applying "Asterisk Checks" to my two asterisk boxes)?
[22-Jun-2007 17:15:11] <creiht> KnckrBckr: I think that is all you need to do
[22-Jun-2007 17:15:20] <creiht> What makes you think that they are not working?
[22-Jun-2007 17:16:33] <KnckrBckr> i just don't see it anywhere under the device... don't see "check_http = OK" on the device tabs
[22-Jun-2007 17:16:41] <creiht> ahh
[22-Jun-2007 17:16:48] <creiht> Not sure if it shows up anywhere or not
[22-Jun-2007 17:16:52] <creiht> let me look at mine
[22-Jun-2007 17:16:59] <creiht> It will generate an event if it goes down though
[22-Jun-2007 17:17:50] <creiht> Yeah I don't see it either, would be nice though
[22-Jun-2007 17:17:58] <creiht> You might submit a ticket to ask them to add it
[22-Jun-2007 17:18:52] <zombor> can anyone help me out with what this event means: "Free Space 90 Percent threshold of 921.6 exceeded: current value 1024.00" does it think the disk is running out of space?
[22-Jun-2007 17:19:03] <KnckrBckr> memory
[22-Jun-2007 17:19:03] <zombor> im not sure where those numbers are coming from
[22-Jun-2007 17:19:04] <creiht> zombor: yes
[22-Jun-2007 17:19:21] <zombor> creiht: where is the 921.6 coming from?
[22-Jun-2007 17:19:33] <creiht> that is what 90% of whatever amount would be
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:01] <creiht> click on the event
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:08] <zombor> oh, its monitoring /.vol
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:14] <zombor> and /dev
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:17] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:28] <creiht> You can globally tell it to not monitor those
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:34] <zombor> i didnt tell it to do that =/
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:49] <zombor> /.vol is always going to be full
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:49] <creiht> Well by default it will pick up everything
[22-Jun-2007 17:21:09] <zombor> where can i choose what it monitors?
[22-Jun-2007 17:22:19] <creiht> zombor: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/zenoss-guide/PartIV/Chapter10/Section2/guidesection_view
[22-Jun-2007 17:22:19] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[22-Jun-2007 17:22:34] <creiht> and search for http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/zenoss-guide/PartIV/Chapter10/Section2/guidesection_view
[22-Jun-2007 17:22:34] <creiht> err
[22-Jun-2007 17:22:34] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 17:22:34] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[22-Jun-2007 17:22:34] <creiht> search for zFileSystemMapIgnoreNames
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[22-Jun-2007 17:23:07] <creiht> Those settings are available from teh zproperties tab of the device template that you are using for monitoring
[22-Jun-2007 17:24:44] <zombor> ok thanks
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[22-Jun-2007 18:08:25] <andrew_p> is any work on implementation of service-level dependency tracking is being done?
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[22-Jun-2007 18:24:09] <Dislo> hey guys could i get some help getting email notifications running
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[22-Jun-2007 18:38:31] <andrew_p> Dislo: what's wrong with them?
[22-Jun-2007 18:40:13] <andrew_p> Dislo: check zenactions.log. if you will see 0 rules/0 actions, this probably means that you have configured alerting rules under admin user. it won't work this way, create another user. otherwise, you will probably see email rejects etc.
[22-Jun-2007 18:40:19] <andrew_p> got to go
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[23-Jun-2007 03:04:04] <scanf> just another feature-stripped rebadge of OpenNMS.
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[23-Jun-2007 04:50:19] <blurred> evening...
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[23-Jun-2007 08:31:53] <blurred> evening all..
[23-Jun-2007 08:32:15] <blurred> anyone here good with zenwin / WMI under 2.0?
[23-Jun-2007 08:33:07] <blurred> looking for a brain to pick quickly...
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[23-Jun-2007 16:52:37] <DF1> Is there a way to view SNMP data point values without building them into an RRD graph? (eg: text strings)
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[23-Jun-2007 21:34:39] <blurred> hey.. anyone around?
[23-Jun-2007 21:35:06] <blurred> I am looking for someone to realign my perception of how IpServices are supposed to be linked to systems...
[23-Jun-2007 21:35:34] <blurred> I have several custom IpServices defined to perform tcp connects to services of interest..
[23-Jun-2007 21:35:55] <blurred> but can't for the life of me see how I am supposed to link them to devices I want to monitor it on.
[23-Jun-2007 21:36:48] <blurred> I have tried adding IpServices directly to the device object, but these just go green straight away regardless of a service actually listening on that tcp port...
[23-Jun-2007 21:38:25] <blurred> Can anyone provide advice on how to get IpServices linked to Devices you want them monitored on?
[23-Jun-2007 21:40:43] * blurred raps head several times on keyboard....
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[24-Jun-2007 22:28:21] <imperfect-> Howdy
[24-Jun-2007 22:28:59] <solarce> bonjour
[24-Jun-2007 22:29:15] <imperfect-> What sorts of things can I accomplish with ZenOSS?
[24-Jun-2007 22:29:33] <imperfect-> And how is is different from other SNMP monitors like nagious etc
[24-Jun-2007 22:29:54] <solarce> Est-ce que bienvenue au Zenoss le canal de soutien, comment je cherche peux vous aider ?
[24-Jun-2007 22:30:46] <solarce> Vous pouvez surveiller vos serveurs, obtenez des alertes quand les événements se produisent, et les employez même pour inventorier votre matériel.
[24-Jun-2007 22:31:24] <solarce> ce bruit bon ?
[24-Jun-2007 22:32:33] <solarce> imperfect-: no?
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[25-Jun-2007 00:14:37] <Snake-Eyes> lol
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[25-Jun-2007 00:41:28] <macka> good afternoon
[25-Jun-2007 00:41:57] <macka> Fairly simple question... where do I find the RPM for SLES10?
[25-Jun-2007 00:42:32] <macka> This page provides instructions for install, but I can't find the RPM it mentions anywhere! http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/install-guides/install-zenoss-on-suse-enterprise-linux-10/
[25-Jun-2007 00:42:32] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
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[25-Jun-2007 05:29:26] <_zack> anyone as figures about the disk space used by RRD graphs on the long run for zenoss?
[25-Jun-2007 05:29:56] <_zack> how many diskspaces will be user for 1 years of RRD data for XXX interfaces in a zenoss instance?
[25-Jun-2007 05:30:02] <_zack> questions like this....
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[25-Jun-2007 09:02:20] <DF8> Is there a way to allow for a text string as a data point?
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[25-Jun-2007 10:06:34] <tty01> anyone know of a dec to ascii calculator?
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[25-Jun-2007 10:44:22] <moredakka> Morning (or afternoon, depending on where in the world you are)
[25-Jun-2007 10:44:52] <moredakka> Does anyone know what OID I can use for CPU usage on Win 2k or 2k3 server without installing the Informant or WMI?
[25-Jun-2007 10:46:25] <DF8> moredakka: .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2
[25-Jun-2007 10:46:56] <DF8> moredakka: http://forums.adventnet.com/viewtopic.php?t=2418
[25-Jun-2007 10:47:32] <moredakka> Sweet, thanks DF8.
[25-Jun-2007 10:48:05] <DF8> Anyone know if there is a way to set up a text-type datapoint?
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[25-Jun-2007 11:02:48] <moredakka> Hey DF8, when I query .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2 it give me an invalid OID error. But if I query .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2.3 or .4 I get cpu usage for either one of the cpus I have (if I snmpwalk .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2 then I get both results but zenoss doesn't see that)
[25-Jun-2007 11:04:25] <moredakka> " 10.10.10.97|hrProcessorLoad |/Perf/Snmp||2|Error reading value for \"hrProcessorLoad \" on 10.10.10.97 (oid .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2 is bad) "
[25-Jun-2007 11:04:58] <moredakka> # snmpwalk -c public -v2c 10.10.10.97 .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2 -On
[25-Jun-2007 11:04:58] <moredakka> .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2.3 = INTEGER: 8
[25-Jun-2007 11:04:58] <moredakka> .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2.4 = INTEGER: 21
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[25-Jun-2007 11:11:41] <moredakka> # snmpwalk -c public -v2c 10.10.10.97 Processor -On
[25-Jun-2007 11:11:46] <moredakka> oops
[25-Jun-2007 11:11:47] <moredakka> haha
[25-Jun-2007 11:29:31] <moredakka> In the oid # snmpwalk -c public -v2c 10.10.10.97 .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2 -On
[25-Jun-2007 11:29:31] <moredakka> .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2.3 = INTEGER: 8
[25-Jun-2007 11:29:31] <moredakka> .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2.4 = INTEGER: 21
[25-Jun-2007 11:29:35] <moredakka> bah...oops
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[25-Jun-2007 11:31:13] <moredakka> in the oid .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2 the two values, would that be causing the problem in zenoss? How can I split that either into two graphs or have multiple lines in one graph? (the acutal server that I want to poll has 4 cpus so I don't want to have to setup 4 different oids for each server that I have to poll).
[25-Jun-2007 11:35:17] <wackyworld> Having zenping issues. sendto error Host myhost and myhost.fully.qualified are both using ip 192.168.44.22 This is on a linux host with the long and short name in /etc/hosts. Anybody know how to fix this? I'd rather not modify the hosts file if possible.
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[25-Jun-2007 11:47:53] <wackyworld> honest question... anyone know how long it usually takes to get a reply on this irc?
[25-Jun-2007 11:47:58] <DF8> moredakka: I think you would have to set up both the oids... Although, Im not that great with zenoss.
[25-Jun-2007 11:48:30] <DF8> you would do multiple lines in one graph by adding a custom graph to the device or template
[25-Jun-2007 11:48:44] <DF8> then, on the device, change the performance template to whatever you name it
[25-Jun-2007 11:53:54] <moredakka> :-/ That sucks Cause the oids for the processors aren't the same on each server. (eg. .1-.4, or .106-.110 for 4 processors) That's why I was hoping zenoss could parse the information and get me both cpus in one command.
[25-Jun-2007 11:55:25] <moredakka> another one is .3 .4 .5 .6 for the cpus....
[25-Jun-2007 12:02:18] <moredakka> Thanks for the suggestion but I don't think that will work for me as it seems that the oids are different on some servers (for some reason)...
[25-Jun-2007 12:06:47] <tty01> anyone know how to clear the errors on the dashboard?.....ack'ing it doesnt work
[25-Jun-2007 12:07:04] <moredakka> You could manually move them to history.
[25-Jun-2007 12:07:21] <solarce> I find some windex works well
[25-Jun-2007 12:07:27] <moredakka> har har
[25-Jun-2007 12:07:32] <solarce>
[25-Jun-2007 12:07:41] <moredakka> what? I laughed
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[25-Jun-2007 12:08:22] <solarce> don't make me talk french at you!
[25-Jun-2007 12:08:35] <moredakka> Yeah I saw that in the chat earlier
[25-Jun-2007 12:08:37] <moredakka> haha
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[25-Jun-2007 12:09:02] <solarce> argh, audible keeps spamming me
[25-Jun-2007 12:09:06] <solarce> moredakka:
[25-Jun-2007 12:09:53] <solarce> ok, must work now
[25-Jun-2007 12:10:02] <moredakka> solarce, did you see my snmp issue that I'm having? Have any idea?
[25-Jun-2007 12:11:06] <DF8> moredakka: Another option would be to use a custom command. Write a python script that will do the walk and parse it all. Haven't tried doing anything like that myself though
[25-Jun-2007 12:11:34] <tty01> thanks that worked
[25-Jun-2007 12:11:39] <moredakka> Hmmm....my boss knows lots of python commands...but he is going to tell me to learn how to write it :-/
[25-Jun-2007 12:11:47] <moredakka> np
[25-Jun-2007 12:12:15] <DF8> lol
[25-Jun-2007 12:13:12] <DF8> Personally, I think I would go the WMI route..
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[25-Jun-2007 12:13:54] <tty01> can someone elaborate on what this error message means CPU Utilization threshold of 2 not met: current value 0.00
[25-Jun-2007 12:14:28] <moredakka> I can't go the WMI route. The company that we are monitor will *NOT* allow that change to go on their network.
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[25-Jun-2007 12:14:35] <moredakka> which sucks
[25-Jun-2007 12:14:41] <DF8> ack
[25-Jun-2007 12:15:24] <moredakka> When in Data Point and selecting Type, what does DERIVE mean?
[25-Jun-2007 12:15:51] <DF8> it allows for a positive or negative change, I think
[25-Jun-2007 12:15:58] <moredakka> Ah.
[25-Jun-2007 12:16:10] <moredakka> man, why can't zenoss just do what I want it to do :-/
[25-Jun-2007 12:16:21] <DF8> Counter is +, Derive is +/-, absolute always assumes the previous value is 0, and gague just gives the value it found
[25-Jun-2007 12:16:47] <moredakka> I can't use the Informant or WMI cause the company doesn't want to install that stuff on their servers.
[25-Jun-2007 12:16:53] <moredakka> :-/
[25-Jun-2007 12:18:50] <moredakka> When putting a color selection in, do I have to use RGB color #s or just names?
[25-Jun-2007 12:19:08] <DF8> RGB I think
[25-Jun-2007 12:19:13] <DF8> could be wrong though
[25-Jun-2007 12:20:40] <moredakka> I'll just try it with just colors and see what happens.
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[25-Jun-2007 12:46:08] <moredakka> What is this telling me:
[25-Jun-2007 12:46:09] <moredakka> Type: ValueError
[25-Jun-2007 12:46:09] <moredakka> Value: need more than 1 value to unpack
[25-Jun-2007 12:47:00] <moredakka> I get that when trying to create a graph for the cpu usage.
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[25-Jun-2007 13:09:10] <moredakka> Type: ValueError
[25-Jun-2007 13:09:15] <moredakka> Value: need more than 1 value to unpack
[25-Jun-2007 13:09:16] <moredakka> I get that when trying to create a graph for the cpu usage.
[25-Jun-2007 13:21:22] <moredakka> The color code in the Data Points is broken in 1.1.1....i don't know if it's fixed in the other versions but when I insert a hex color code I get the "Value: need more than 1 value to unpack" error.
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[25-Jun-2007 13:25:47] <moredakka> Anyone know how I can creat a Data Source that will take all the memory that programs are using and subract it from the total memory with just using the Host Resources mib?
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[25-Jun-2007 13:41:12] <tty01> anyone know if i can make a graph of say the uptime of a image on a website?
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[25-Jun-2007 13:50:33] <r5> the uptime of an image?
[25-Jun-2007 13:50:40] <tty01> yeah
[25-Jun-2007 13:50:43] <r5> like how long an image has been accessible?
[25-Jun-2007 13:50:52] <tty01> or if the image is actually there instead of the red x
[25-Jun-2007 13:51:08] <r5> that would just be a URL
[25-Jun-2007 13:51:16] <tty01> but can you graph that?
[25-Jun-2007 13:51:28] <r5> it http://www.somesite.com/somejph.jpg
[25-Jun-2007 13:51:32] <r5> yeah if it doesn't work it is a 404...
[25-Jun-2007 13:51:43] <r5> you could at least have a perl script that polls it
[25-Jun-2007 13:51:58] <moredakka> I don't even thing you need a perl script for that.
[25-Jun-2007 13:52:00] <tty01> think there is already one written as a nagios check
[25-Jun-2007 13:52:10] <tty01> check_http
[25-Jun-2007 13:52:11] <r5> yeah there is probably a check there
[25-Jun-2007 13:52:15] <tty01> just wasnt sure if it can be graph'd
[25-Jun-2007 13:52:36] <r5> well what are you graphing? 1 = there, 0 = not there
[25-Jun-2007 13:53:13] <moredakka> The only other thing you could graph is access time to the image
[25-Jun-2007 13:54:22] <r5> but the TCP response would be the same..
[25-Jun-2007 13:54:24] <r5> I think
[25-Jun-2007 13:56:51] <tty01> yeah they just want to have a check for the image....and how long it stays up before it craps out
[25-Jun-2007 13:56:57] <tty01> dumb thing to monitor if ya ask me
[25-Jun-2007 13:58:59] <moredakka> well you can create a monitor for it, don't need to graph it.
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[25-Jun-2007 14:03:01] <tty01> if it was only as simple as that =\
[25-Jun-2007 14:10:15] <moredakka> I'm tryin gto figure out the command but lunch is going and my tummy is rumbling.
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[25-Jun-2007 14:25:10] <moredakka> cluther: Do you know how I can creat a Data Source that will take all the memory that programs are using and subract it from the total memory with just using the Host Resources mib?
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[25-Jun-2007 15:31:08] <tty01> anyone know where i can change the default communitystring ?
[25-Jun-2007 15:38:33] <tty01> nm figured it out
[25-Jun-2007 15:39:53] <moredakka> Gah, wish I could figure my problem out :-/
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[25-Jun-2007 15:50:53] <moredakka> tty01: I can't figure out how to get check_http to monitor a webpage without using an IP address. :-/
[25-Jun-2007 15:51:29] <moredakka> it says I can input a uri but it doesn't accept my http://www.domain.com as a valid one
[25-Jun-2007 15:51:29] <adytum-bot> Title: domain.com - Get online with a domain name and web hosting (at www.domain.com)
[25-Jun-2007 15:51:44] <moredakka> search mom
[25-Jun-2007 15:51:58] <moredakka> bah...what do you type in to bug the bot? ;-)
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[25-Jun-2007 15:55:11] <creiht> google moredakka problems
[25-Jun-2007 15:55:19] <adytum-bot> http://www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg06960.html//www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg06960.html
[25-Jun-2007 15:55:24] <creiht> haha
[25-Jun-2007 15:55:53] <moredakka> haha
[25-Jun-2007 15:55:58] <tty01> lol
[25-Jun-2007 15:56:04] <moredakka> google creiht problems
[25-Jun-2007 15:56:11] <adytum-bot> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=4945
[25-Jun-2007 15:56:11] <moredakka> dooo it
[25-Jun-2007 15:56:25] <creiht> hehe
[25-Jun-2007 15:56:44] <moredakka> that's funny stuff
[25-Jun-2007 15:56:57] <creiht> google 1 + 1
[25-Jun-2007 15:57:04] <adytum-bot> creiht: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[25-Jun-2007 15:57:09] <creiht> hehe
[25-Jun-2007 15:57:19] <moredakka> google bot's administrator
[25-Jun-2007 15:57:26] <adytum-bot> http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/20050822.html.gz
[25-Jun-2007 15:57:33] <moredakka> I'm scared
[25-Jun-2007 15:58:11] <moredakka> Creiht: have you seen the question that I'm asking about graphs?
[25-Jun-2007 15:58:25] <moredakka> ^ Capital letter cause it's important
[25-Jun-2007 15:58:31] <creiht> moredakka: I haven't made any custom graphs... sorry
[25-Jun-2007 15:58:35] <moredakka> bah
[25-Jun-2007 15:59:35] <moredakka> I've got the cpu graph going without the informant but the memory one requires some math or something to get it working. I just don't know how to write the forumal into the data source or data point :-/
[25-Jun-2007 16:08:38] <moredakka> Where has chet been lately? I haven't seen him around for a bit
[25-Jun-2007 16:08:59] <creiht> moredakka: cluther == chet
[25-Jun-2007 16:09:19] <moredakka> Yeah I know....cluther hasn't been here to answer questions lately
[25-Jun-2007 16:28:36] <cluther> It's true..
[25-Jun-2007 16:28:45] <cluther> Business travel all last week.
[25-Jun-2007 16:28:59] <moredakka> Ah...Mr. Man is back!
[25-Jun-2007 16:29:01] <moredakka> w00p w00p
[25-Jun-2007 16:29:15] <cluther> Digging myself out today. =}
[25-Jun-2007 16:29:19] <moredakka> haha
[25-Jun-2007 16:29:30] <moredakka> you probably have a million requests for help. ;-)
[25-Jun-2007 16:30:03] <cluther> Nah.. only about a tenth of that. heh
[25-Jun-2007 16:32:25] <moredakka> Well I'm hoping you can help me out here: I'm trying to get memmory graphing from Windows SNMP without WMI or the Informant, I read this topic http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1879&highlight=snmp and you mentionedto go through the admin guide and create a custom performance template. I can't figure out how to get the total of the memory to graph....need to make some sorta math equation :-/
[25-Jun-2007 16:32:25] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Why is the OID wrong?? (at community.zenoss.com)
[25-Jun-2007 16:40:23] <moredakka>
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[25-Jun-2007 17:26:42] <Coeus> hello, I am getting an iteration over non-sequence errors when trying to start zenhub, zenperfsnmp, and zenprocess. Does anyone know what could be up?
[25-Jun-2007 17:26:48] <Coeus> I am running a new install on centos5
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[25-Jun-2007 17:38:38] <moredakka> There certainly are alot of cluthers in here.
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[25-Jun-2007 17:46:46] <Coeus> if i try and start zenhub manually i get the following:
[25-Jun-2007 17:46:53] <Coeus> /opt/zenoss/bin/zenhub: line 13: /bin/zenfunctions: No such file or directory
[25-Jun-2007 17:46:53] <Coeus> /opt/zenoss/bin/zenhub: line 20: generic: command not found
[25-Jun-2007 17:47:58] <Coeus> seems my $ZENHOME isnt set properly
[25-Jun-2007 17:57:58] <moredakka> Are you logged in as root or zenoss?
[25-Jun-2007 17:58:06] <Coeus> root
[25-Jun-2007 17:58:12] <Coeus> suppose thats the problem
[25-Jun-2007 17:58:23] <moredakka> open another ssh session as the zenoss user....I had the same problem.
[25-Jun-2007 17:58:37] <moredakka> the environment isn't built properly if you don't do it that way
[25-Jun-2007 17:58:44] <Coeus> whats the default pw
[25-Jun-2007 17:59:39] <moredakka> zenoss?
[25-Jun-2007 17:59:54] <Coeus> no...
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[25-Jun-2007 18:01:31] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Genshi Templates in Nevow - 11 Apr, 05:04PM
[25-Jun-2007 18:01:31] <Coeus> i suppose i can just su to zenoss
[25-Jun-2007 18:01:31] <Coeus> ok, that brings up the correct variables
[25-Jun-2007 18:01:32] -adytum-bot- http://www.advogato.org/person/oubiwann/diary.html?start=138
[25-Jun-2007 18:01:57] <Coeus> hmm, now i get a permission denied
[25-Jun-2007 18:02:12] <Coeus> wait, nevermind
[25-Jun-2007 18:05:28] <Coeus> mm...nothing, i try to run zenhub as zenoss and it just says starting and then nothing
[25-Jun-2007 18:05:39] <moredakka> hmm....
[25-Jun-2007 18:05:41] <moredakka> not sure then
[25-Jun-2007 18:05:45] <Coeus> and now zenstatus is giving me the iteration error
[25-Jun-2007 18:06:08] <Coeus> log file on zenhub still stays empty
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[25-Jun-2007 19:06:11] <cluther> moredakka: Sorry for missing your Windows memory question earlier.
[25-Jun-2007 19:06:15] <cluther> moredakka: Are you still around?
[25-Jun-2007 19:07:03] <cluther> moredakka: If you have a number of data sources that you need to perform some math on before they go into your graph you'll need to come up with something for the "Custom" field in the graph.
[25-Jun-2007 19:08:54] <cluther> moredakka: It takes standard RRDTool graph definitions: http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/doc/rrdgraph_data.en.html
[25-Jun-2007 19:08:54] <adytum-bot> Title: RRDtool - rrdgraph_data (at oss.oetiker.ch)
[25-Jun-2007 19:08:55] <cluther> moredakka: The _data, _example, _graph and _rpn sections are valuable.
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[25-Jun-2007 19:14:53] <_keturn> hmm, this device keeps generating "snmp agent down" events even though I thought I configured it without SNMP.
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[25-Jun-2007 20:22:18] <djhabeeb> would anyone know why a command would work on a few systems and fail on others?
[25-Jun-2007 20:22:26] <djhabeeb> i mean a check that i run by hand
[25-Jun-2007 20:22:47] <djhabeeb> i get Unknown error code: 3
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[25-Jun-2007 20:56:42] <_keturn> heh. triggered the oom killer in the zenoss vmware image.
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[25-Jun-2007 21:33:45] <_keturn> aand now I can't bring it back, even after increasing the vmplayer memory allocation and rebooting the image.
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[26-Jun-2007 00:48:02] <Genera1> may i ask a question?
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[26-Jun-2007 00:58:04] <Genera1> am i missing something in the docs, what is the login for the web interface???
[26-Jun-2007 01:03:53] <Genera1> never mind
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[26-Jun-2007 05:42:57] <shakeSpear> hi, does anyone know about the datatype "selection" of cproperties? How can I use it?
[26-Jun-2007 05:43:44] <shakeSpear> and another question: is there a way to search for devices by looking for contents in cproperties?
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[26-Jun-2007 09:48:31] <tty01> anyone know why zensyslog wont stay up if syslogd is running
[26-Jun-2007 09:53:30] <cluther> tty01: Probably because they are both trying to bind to port 514/udp.
[26-Jun-2007 09:54:19] <tty01> argh
[26-Jun-2007 09:54:32] <tty01> you know where i can change the port which it binds to
[26-Jun-2007 09:54:37] <tty01> syslogd is sorta important
[26-Jun-2007 09:57:37] <creiht> tty01: You have to change the source file
[26-Jun-2007 09:57:40] <creiht> pretty easy though
[26-Jun-2007 09:57:44] <creiht> let me look it up real quick
[26-Jun-2007 09:57:50] <creiht> I had to do the same thing
[26-Jun-2007 09:58:50] <creiht> tty01: $ZENHOME/Products/ZenEvents/zensyslog.py
[26-Jun-2007 09:58:58] <creiht> look for SYSLOG_PORT
[26-Jun-2007 09:59:10] <tty01> ah thanks!
[26-Jun-2007 09:59:19] <creiht> I have a ticket in to have that be a configurable item
[26-Jun-2007 09:59:58] <tty01> whats a another port which i can bind it to?
[26-Jun-2007 10:00:09] <creiht> The other question is, are you going to send any syslog info to Zenoss?
[26-Jun-2007 10:00:19] <creiht> I just increased it by one
[26-Jun-2007 10:00:37] <tty01> no....just using syslog to monitor the local events of the box
[26-Jun-2007 10:07:31] <moredakka> cluther: are you here for a couple minutes to answer a quick question?
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[26-Jun-2007 10:15:07] <tty01> anyone know of a calculator to convert OID's to ascii?
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[26-Jun-2007 10:18:10] <tty01> hmm now that ive changed the port....i think syslogd is trying to send log to zenoss
[26-Jun-2007 10:18:19] <tty01> syslogd: sendto: Bad file descriptor
[26-Jun-2007 10:41:33] <tty01> is there anyway to force zenoss to run a specific check?
[26-Jun-2007 10:41:42] <cluther> moredakka: What's up?
[26-Jun-2007 10:47:53] <moredakka> cluther: Well I'm hoping you can help me out here: I'm trying to get memmory graphing from Windows SNMP without WMI or the Informant, I read this topic http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1879&highlight=snmp and you mentionedto go through the admin guide and create a custom performance template. I can't figure out how to get the total of the memory to graph....need to make some sorta math equation? :-/
[26-Jun-2007 10:47:53] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Why is the OID wrong?? (at community.zenoss.com)
[26-Jun-2007 10:47:53] <moredakka> I guess I can't find where it shows how to do that in the admin guide :-/
[26-Jun-2007 10:50:31] <moredakka> I've got the OIDs for the total memory and the set of OIDs for all of the programs that are using memory but there is no single oid to show memory in use.
[26-Jun-2007 10:53:20] <cluther> See if 1.3.6.1.4.1.311.1.1.3.1.1.7.1.0 gives you the available RAM.
[26-Jun-2007 10:56:48] <moredakka> nope, just drops down to the next line and shows nothing. I only have 1.3.6.1.4.1.311.1.7.x OIDs. Is there a way to get zenoss to total the amount from a group of OIDs? (also figure out how many are in the group)?
[26-Jun-2007 11:01:17] <cluther> moredakka: Not natively.. that's something you'd have to do with a script through zencommand.
[26-Jun-2007 11:03:09] <cluther> moredakka: Ah, that OID I posted requires that you install Microsoft's perfmib.
[26-Jun-2007 11:03:18] <cluther> moredakka: http://www.netinst.com/support/osup1039.html
[26-Jun-2007 11:03:18] <adytum-bot> Title: OSUP1039 - Enabling SNMP CPU and Memory Usage Stats on Windows Servers (at www.netinst.com)
[26-Jun-2007 11:05:33] <moredakka> :-/ The company that we are monitoring isn't willing to install anything on their servers for monitoring. Kinda outta luck there.
[26-Jun-2007 11:06:00] <moredakka> I might have to get my boss to write a python script for it. can a graph call a # number from a python script?
[26-Jun-2007 11:22:02] <cluther> Afraid not. I believe ticket #718 is currently open for v2.1. This ticket is get get computed data sources.
[26-Jun-2007 11:23:09] <moredakka> Ah, alright. So without installing/enabling Information or WMI there isn't much we can do with zenoss to get it to show the memory usage with the Host Resources mib right?
[26-Jun-2007 11:28:53] <Bulwinkle> cluther: is there any word about IE incompatibilities with ZenOSS 2.0? It has gotten a LOT better, but, I'm seeing some problems with IE6 and IE7
[26-Jun-2007 11:29:28] <cluther> Bulwinkle: IE6 is a bust, but IE7 works well in the latest trunk. There are several patches since 2.0 that will release in 2.0.1.
[26-Jun-2007 11:30:08] <Bulwinkle> cluther: any idea when that release will hit the shelves?
[26-Jun-2007 11:30:29] <moredakka> thnx for your help anyways cluther, I'll have to wait for the new versions to come out...
[26-Jun-2007 11:30:40] <cluther> Bulwinkle: No word yet. The current priority is to get Enterprise 2.0 out the door.
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[26-Jun-2007 13:44:07] <moredakka> anyone here that can answer a hopefully easy question?
[26-Jun-2007 14:06:20] <rkagin> moredakka: If you're still there, what's the question?
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[26-Jun-2007 15:31:04] <tty01> anyone know why a command by hand works....but fails when zenoss tries to run it?
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[26-Jun-2007 16:03:32] <moredakka> rkagin: if you're still around, I'm looking for a way to have 1-2 devices pinged at a 30 sec interval while all the other systems are pinged 60 seconds. is there a way to do it? I'm trying to setup a performance template to do it but I don't think it's working properly.
[26-Jun-2007 16:05:21] <rkagin> I'm trying to remember where those values are set...
[26-Jun-2007 16:05:53] <moredakka> I can set it in the status monitor but I can't set them....wait...might have just thought of it.
[26-Jun-2007 16:07:21] <moredakka> If you set the zCommandCycleTime (default is 60) to 20, will that run the commands that I have set in the template for it every 20 seconds?
[26-Jun-2007 16:08:03] <rkagin> moredakka: I would only assume so if zCommandCycleTime is for the template, rather than for a device.
[26-Jun-2007 16:09:16] <moredakka> Well I've set it on both the device and the template...lets see what happens.
[26-Jun-2007 16:12:11] <rkagin> moredakka: I would have thought that more information regarding the properties would be found here (http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/zenoss-guide/PartIV/Chapter10), but it's not there (that particular zProperty).
[26-Jun-2007 16:12:11] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[26-Jun-2007 16:13:04] <moredakka> What logs the commands that are run from the templates? zencommand?
[26-Jun-2007 16:13:59] <rkagin> I think so, but it should show up in the events if it pinged it correctly, no?
[26-Jun-2007 16:14:29] <moredakka> You would think so. I've got the nic disabled on the testing box and zenoss isn't doing anything to tell me about it.
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[26-Jun-2007 16:19:30] <moredakka> Well least I have something
[26-Jun-2007 16:19:31] <moredakka> Command invoked cannot execute, permissions problem or command is not an executable
[26-Jun-2007 16:19:53] <moredakka> That happens every 30 seconds....so I know it's happening every 30 seconds but the command isn't running properly.
[26-Jun-2007 16:20:30] <rkagin> moredakka: So now it can't ping properly?
[26-Jun-2007 16:20:43] <moredakka> No I get this error:
[26-Jun-2007 16:20:45] <moredakka> Command invoked cannot execute, permissions problem or command is not an executable
[26-Jun-2007 16:21:00] <moredakka> I can run the command as the zenoss user no problem from the CLI
[26-Jun-2007 16:21:09] <moredakka> same with from the manage screen
[26-Jun-2007 16:21:24] <moredakka> ping -c2 ${dev/manageIp}
[26-Jun-2007 16:22:13] <rkagin> moredakka: Interesting - don't know what to tell you.
[26-Jun-2007 16:22:26] <moredakka> That's what my brain is telling me too :-/
[26-Jun-2007 16:23:16] <rkagin> moredakka: Put it back to 60 and see if it works?
[26-Jun-2007 16:24:02] <moredakka> Zenoss is running the command at 30 seconds like it should but the error is indicating to me that there is a problem with the command that I'm trying to run.
[26-Jun-2007 16:43:16] <rkagin> moredakka: Did it have that error running at 60s?
[26-Jun-2007 16:44:20] <moredakka> yeah, same error.
[26-Jun-2007 16:44:32] <moredakka> I'm trying /bin/ping -c2..etc...etc instead
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[26-Jun-2007 17:10:16] <moredakka> Why can't zenoss just take an OID and print out all the information from it :-/
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[26-Jun-2007 17:49:25] <moredakka> Yeah that was the problem, needed to have the full path to the ping command, works like a charm now.
[26-Jun-2007 17:50:05] <rkagin> :-) Glad I could (not really) help.
[26-Jun-2007 17:51:14] <moredakka> ;-) hehe
[26-Jun-2007 17:51:33] <moredakka> sometimes it's good to type out the problem and figure the way through it ;-)
[26-Jun-2007 17:51:43] <moredakka> Thanks for being there ;-)
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[26-Jun-2007 19:37:06] <djhabeeb> anyone know the command to see whats the current speed of the interface?
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[26-Jun-2007 23:45:50] <lara375> Hi guys
[26-Jun-2007 23:47:16] <lara375> I would like to install DnsMonitor
[26-Jun-2007 23:47:40] <lara375> i have downloaded the package but i don't know how to install it
[26-Jun-2007 23:47:56] <lara375> Please help to me
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[27-Jun-2007 01:10:23] <lara375> Hi
[27-Jun-2007 01:54:11] <lara375> Any body there ?
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[27-Jun-2007 04:08:07] <jsegura> hi there, anyone alive?
[27-Jun-2007 04:08:16] <lara375> s
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[27-Jun-2007 04:20:51] <peterN> Hello, I am just exploring zenoss if it can help me manage to monitor ~30 servers. Currently I am struggling with some weird issues in ZenCore 2.0 (can't get template 'FileSystem' working, Performance:'Processes' duplicates the the 'Load'-Graph.
[27-Jun-2007 04:20:52] <peterN> Would it be rather smart for a newbie to start on 1.1.2 since this has been around for longer? Or should I stick and dig into 2.0? Thx for any suggestions/remarks.
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[27-Jun-2007 05:29:53] <AnAnD> I want to install DnsMonitor and HttpMonitor..... I could find the zip files to install in this url : http://www.zenoss.com/download/links?nt........ AT WHAT LOCATION DO I NEED INSTALL
[27-Jun-2007 05:29:53] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[27-Jun-2007 05:30:50] <AnAnD> can any one provide me the steps the to install
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[27-Jun-2007 05:45:59] <AnAnD> can anyone helpme
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[27-Jun-2007 05:56:45] <AnAnD> I want to install DnsMonitor and HttpMonitor..... I could find the zip files to install in this url : http://www.zenoss.com/download/links?nt........ AT WHAT LOCATION DO I NEED INSTALL
[27-Jun-2007 05:56:45] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[27-Jun-2007 05:56:46] <AnAnD> can any one provide me the steps the to install
[27-Jun-2007 05:59:27] <AnAnD> adytum-bot: Now i need to install DnsMonitor and HttpMonitor... can you provide me the steps in install.....i couldn't find it in the said url
[27-Jun-2007 05:59:27] <adytum-bot> AnAnD: Error: 'Now' is not a valid command.
[27-Jun-2007 06:00:08] <AnAnD> adytum-bot: ??
[27-Jun-2007 06:00:08] <adytum-bot> AnAnD: Error: '??' is not a valid command.
[27-Jun-2007 06:00:49] <AnAnD> adytum-bot: have you understood my problem
[27-Jun-2007 06:00:49] <adytum-bot> AnAnD: Error: 'have' is not a valid command.
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[27-Jun-2007 06:34:07] <peterN> anyone any advice/link to help what: 'Format %5.2lf%s' within Data Point means?
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[27-Jun-2007 09:37:54] <bain> alo
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[27-Jun-2007 09:55:00] <bain> how can I uninstall the zenoss plugin ?
[27-Jun-2007 09:57:36] <Bulwinkle> bain: which plugin?
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[27-Jun-2007 09:58:27] <bain> Zenoss-Plugins-1.1.2 ?
[27-Jun-2007 09:59:01] <bain> I used the one on the site .. and I'm getting errors .. I want to try the easyinstall one since it works on vmware machine .
[27-Jun-2007 10:01:40] <bain> don't worry ... foigured it out ..
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[27-Jun-2007 10:05:04] <prerydog> exit
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[27-Jun-2007 10:27:58] <tty01> anyone know how to fix ERROR zen.zencommand: [Errno 24] Too many open files
[27-Jun-2007 10:30:19] <rave182> what os are you running tty01?
[27-Jun-2007 10:30:25] <tty01> rhel 4
[27-Jun-2007 10:30:55] <rave182> in rhel you can configure the amount of open files for a user in /etc/security/limits.conf
[27-Jun-2007 10:31:18] <tty01> hmm lemme check the limits
[27-Jun-2007 10:31:53] <rave182> http://bcr2.uwaterloo.ca/~brecht/servers/openfiles.html
[27-Jun-2007 10:31:53] <adytum-bot> Title: Linux: Increasing the number of open file descriptors (at bcr2.uwaterloo.ca)
[27-Jun-2007 10:31:53] <rave182> check that link
[27-Jun-2007 10:32:12] <rave182> thank you bot
[27-Jun-2007 10:32:12] <tty01> yeah thats the link i used yesterday
[27-Jun-2007 10:32:14] <tty01> hehe
[27-Jun-2007 10:32:59] <tty01> cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max
[27-Jun-2007 10:32:59] <tty01> 65535
[27-Jun-2007 10:33:24] <rave182> wwhat user are you running zen as?
[27-Jun-2007 10:33:29] <tty01> zenoss
[27-Jun-2007 10:34:08] <tty01> argh and no limit binary
[27-Jun-2007 10:35:19] <rave182> ulimit
[27-Jun-2007 10:35:43] <rave182> as the user zenoss type ulimit -a
[27-Jun-2007 10:35:55] <rave182> should tell you the amount of open files the user can have
[27-Jun-2007 10:36:02] <rave182> open files (-n) 1024
[27-Jun-2007 10:36:03] <tty01> open files (-n) 1024
[27-Jun-2007 10:36:42] <rave182> open files (-n) 65536
[27-Jun-2007 10:36:47] <rave182> that's so much cooler
[27-Jun-2007 10:37:05] <tty01> yes i am envious
[27-Jun-2007 10:37:08] <rave182> lol
[27-Jun-2007 10:37:16] <tty01> how do i increase it as zenoss user?
[27-Jun-2007 10:37:41] <rave182> something in /etc/security/limits.conf
[27-Jun-2007 10:38:08] <tty01> * soft nofile 65535
[27-Jun-2007 10:38:08] <tty01> * hard nofile 65535
[27-Jun-2007 10:38:12] <tty01> is that right syntax?
[27-Jun-2007 10:38:17] <tty01> i had to add those in manually
[27-Jun-2007 10:38:37] <rave182> yeah that should do it for all users
[27-Jun-2007 10:38:47] <tty01> what process needs to be restarted?
[27-Jun-2007 10:38:53] <tty01> in order for the change to get picked up
[27-Jun-2007 10:39:00] <rave182> exit out of the zenoss user and su back in
[27-Jun-2007 10:39:07] <rave182> check your ulimit to see if it increased
[27-Jun-2007 10:39:48] <tty01> open files (-n) 65535
[27-Jun-2007 10:39:49] <tty01> whoop
[27-Jun-2007 10:39:50] <tty01> thanks!
[27-Jun-2007 10:39:53] <tty01> you rox
[27-Jun-2007 10:40:01] <rave182> you got it, restart the master zenoss process and you should be good to go
[27-Jun-2007 10:40:39] <tty01> hmm hope that was the cause of my command failures
[27-Jun-2007 10:40:56] <rave182> typically it is, you can check the openfiles for a suer with lsof
[27-Jun-2007 10:41:07] <rave182> wrong command
[27-Jun-2007 10:41:11] <tty01> hehe
[27-Jun-2007 10:41:31] <rave182> ah right command, just have to be root
[27-Jun-2007 10:41:46] <rave182> lsof | grep zenoss
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[27-Jun-2007 10:43:02] <tty01> seems to be working
[27-Jun-2007 10:43:21] <rave182> good deal
[27-Jun-2007 10:43:57] <tty01> you know what this means now CompilerError: $ must be doubled or followed by a simple path
[27-Jun-2007 10:44:01] <tty01> hehe
[27-Jun-2007 10:44:21] <rave182> no idea, i've never run zenoss, i'm just moonlighting here to see what the irc support channel is like
[27-Jun-2007 10:44:25] <rave182> seems to be pretty dead
[27-Jun-2007 10:44:36] <tty01> oh haha
[27-Jun-2007 10:44:41] <tty01> yeah its pretty dead most of the time
[27-Jun-2007 10:45:39] <rave182> do you use zenoss or are you just checking it out?
[27-Jun-2007 10:45:57] <tty01> using it....planning on switching over from nagios
[27-Jun-2007 10:46:09] <tty01> not a smooth transition so far
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[27-Jun-2007 10:46:21] <tty01> my manager wants it mainly for the graphing and the ability to group machines by cluster
[27-Jun-2007 10:46:36] <rave182> yeah managers seem to like pretty pictures
[27-Jun-2007 10:47:06] <tty01> naw....my manager actually knows stuff
[27-Jun-2007 10:47:14] <tty01> if he didnt and he just wanted pretty pictures i'd be piss
[27-Jun-2007 10:47:19] <rave182> haha
[27-Jun-2007 10:47:29] <rave182> consider yourself lucky
[27-Jun-2007 10:47:50] <peterN> I am still trying to figure out what: 'Format %5.2lf%s' within Data Point (working on local copies of performance-templates) means ;(
[27-Jun-2007 10:48:25] <rave182> i'd guess it's 5 characters and then 2 after the decimal
[27-Jun-2007 10:48:35] <tty01> hehe good thing i have yet to come across that error
[27-Jun-2007 10:48:36] <rave182> looks like a hacked fpring to me
[27-Jun-2007 10:48:45] <rave182> fprint even
[27-Jun-2007 10:49:50] <tty01> what are you using currently for monitoring rave?
[27-Jun-2007 10:50:15] <rave182> we mostly use Midas
[27-Jun-2007 10:50:31] <rave182> we're kind of married to it at the moment since we started using it a few years ago, but we're looking at moving off of it
[27-Jun-2007 10:50:41] <tty01> midas is enterprise?
[27-Jun-2007 10:50:44] <peterN> thx
[27-Jun-2007 10:50:50] <tty01> googling midas returns automechanic stuff
[27-Jun-2007 10:50:57] <rave182> lol
[27-Jun-2007 10:51:19] <rave182> midas is a defunct program for a few years now, no support at all
[27-Jun-2007 10:51:59] <rave182> i put up a nagios server in one of our data centers, i don't mind the complexity but other admins complain about the complexity
[27-Jun-2007 10:52:22] <tty01> yeah....zenoss would be easier to write checks for and such
[27-Jun-2007 10:52:27] <rave182> I upgraded it to groundworks, but I think groundworks is trying to make money off not doing too much
[27-Jun-2007 10:52:36] <prerydog> tty01 - have you guys tried the CMDB aspect of zenoss?
[27-Jun-2007 10:52:36] <tty01> when i started working at my job now...never used nagios and it was a bit confusing
[27-Jun-2007 10:53:05] <rave182> yeah the config files are pain in the ass... but i like the object oriented aspect
[27-Jun-2007 10:53:25] <rave182> I guess I have an advantage because I've done OOP before
[27-Jun-2007 10:53:38] <rave182> prerydog isn't very good at it
[27-Jun-2007 10:54:47] <tty01> nope i havent tried that yet perry.....we're currently contemplating wheather we wanna cut over from nagios or not
[27-Jun-2007 10:55:23] <rave182> how has your experience with zenoss been so far?
[27-Jun-2007 10:55:30] <tty01> hmm a bit confusing
[27-Jun-2007 10:55:31] <prerydog> I think one of the compelling features of zenoss that sets it apart from nagios is the CMDB feature
[27-Jun-2007 10:55:47] <rave182> change management is huge for you huh?
[27-Jun-2007 10:55:54] <tty01> hehe
[27-Jun-2007 10:55:55] <rave182> seems like you're pandering to management
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[27-Jun-2007 10:56:03] <tty01> unfortunately
[27-Jun-2007 10:56:27] <tty01> but i was told if you get zenoss working just right....it owns all monitoring
[27-Jun-2007 10:57:18] <rave182> what are the aspects of zenoss that you find attractive?
[27-Jun-2007 10:58:19] <tty01> mostly the ability to apply checks to a clustered environment....and if a box that is part of that cluster and you want to do custom checks for that single box alone you can
[27-Jun-2007 10:58:34] <prerydog> What kind of cluster?
[27-Jun-2007 10:58:45] <tty01> apache
[27-Jun-2007 10:59:18] <tty01> it was a bit confusing at first trying to create templates though
[27-Jun-2007 10:59:29] <rave182> what are you using as your content switch?
[27-Jun-2007 10:59:48] <tty01> you mean our load balancer?
[27-Jun-2007 11:00:01] <rave182> yeah, that thing
[27-Jun-2007 11:00:06] <tty01> netscaler
[27-Jun-2007 11:00:24] <rave182> woot
[27-Jun-2007 11:00:28] <tty01> hehe you too?
[27-Jun-2007 11:00:28] <rave182> <- huge fan of citrix
[27-Jun-2007 11:00:49] <tty01> i gotta admit that its very easy to use
[27-Jun-2007 11:00:51] <rave182> no, we're stuck with cisco, we've got 6 CSS 11501s
[27-Jun-2007 11:01:06] <tty01> seems like you guys are in bed with quite a few companies
[27-Jun-2007 11:02:33] <rave182> not so much, we're pretty much married to Cisco, EMC and Dell
[27-Jun-2007 11:02:47] <tty01> hehe sounds like my last local government job
[27-Jun-2007 11:02:53] <tty01> oh and Sun
[27-Jun-2007 11:03:08] <rave182> never used sun but the tech looks very cool
[27-Jun-2007 11:03:13] <prerydog> Well - a standardized OS would be nice
[27-Jun-2007 11:03:26] <tty01> lol
[27-Jun-2007 11:04:15] <tty01> it would be pretty nice but unfortunately we have the 3 normal os's here
[27-Jun-2007 11:04:31] <rave182> redhat, windows, and....
[27-Jun-2007 11:04:37] <tty01> osx
[27-Jun-2007 11:04:38] <prerydog> We run unbuntu, rhel, windows
[27-Jun-2007 11:04:49] <rave182> we've got osx on clients too
[27-Jun-2007 11:04:50] <tty01> ubuntu is gaining some pretty big ground
[27-Jun-2007 11:05:02] <rave182> i think they're going to go enterprise soon
[27-Jun-2007 11:05:11] <tty01> most likely
[27-Jun-2007 11:05:27] <tty01> and the ubuntu community is huge
[27-Jun-2007 11:05:46] <prerydog> I think that'll fragment the debian community too much though and galvanize the support debian has in the enterprise world
[27-Jun-2007 11:06:20] <prerydog> Did you try the VMImage of zenoss?
[27-Jun-2007 11:06:27] <tty01> i havent
[27-Jun-2007 11:06:35] <tty01> installed it via source
[27-Jun-2007 11:06:41] <tty01> wanted to try it though
[27-Jun-2007 11:06:49] <tty01> but im sure there would be a perfomance hit
[27-Jun-2007 11:06:50] <prerydog> I'm going to try that first - then probably install from RPM
[27-Jun-2007 11:07:08] <prerydog> we're evaluating so many different solutions now for monitoring/alerting that installing all of them is becoming a pain
[27-Jun-2007 11:07:08] <tty01> havent tried yet?
[27-Jun-2007 11:07:24] <prerydog> no - I work with rave - we're getting there
[27-Jun-2007 11:07:29] <tty01> ah
[27-Jun-2007 11:07:34] <rave182> uh... i know i'm behind by a bit, but debian doesn't have any enterprise support
[27-Jun-2007 11:08:03] <tty01> hehe neither does redhat.....well they call it support but it sux
[27-Jun-2007 11:08:28] <rave182> true true, but they do do the enterprise thing by patching the software to another level and not making you have to upgrade
[27-Jun-2007 11:08:59] <prerydog> HP for awhie was doing enterprise support on Debian
[27-Jun-2007 11:09:07] <tty01> you guys should give zenoss a try though....easy to use once you get the hang of it and makes the pretty pictures managers like
[27-Jun-2007 11:09:14] <rave182> prerydog, i suggest you start adding enterpriselinuxlog.blogs.techtarget.com to your rss reader
[27-Jun-2007 11:10:12] <soloman> hello
[27-Jun-2007 11:10:19] <rave182> yeah, that's why we're here
[27-Jun-2007 11:10:21] <soloman> please help me with my tasl
[27-Jun-2007 11:10:25] <soloman> task
[27-Jun-2007 11:10:32] <tty01> fixing the flux capacitator?
[27-Jun-2007 11:10:54] <rave182> only getting 87 mph?
[27-Jun-2007 11:11:07] <tty01> hehe not much support here soloman...its pretty dead
[27-Jun-2007 11:12:49] <tty01> having a template of all your checks is pretty nice as well
[27-Jun-2007 11:13:17] <prerydog> Better than the nagios templates?
[27-Jun-2007 11:13:23] <tty01> yep
[27-Jun-2007 11:13:58] <rave182> how so?
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:14] <soloman> I have a server under /Devices/Server/Linux
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:15] <soloman> I added a template into this section with data source type COMMAND
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:15] <soloman> I want to request a script /usr/local/bin/state.sh from this server every one minute. This script returns value from 1 to 100
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:15] <soloman> and I want to generate critical Event if the value is less than 40
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:15] <soloman> how can I make Zenoss to request this script every 1 minute because it doesn't do that now
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:41] <tty01> i think thats in the cycle time
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:49] <tty01> its set to 300 by default
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:52] <tty01> try 60 i think
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:59] <soloman> I set it to 1
[27-Jun-2007 11:15:10] <tty01> im sure its by seconds cycle time
[27-Jun-2007 11:15:12] <soloman> but I see that script was never called
[27-Jun-2007 11:15:17] <soloman> permissions are ok
[27-Jun-2007 11:15:40] <tty01> which nagios version have you tried so far rave?
[27-Jun-2007 11:15:58] <prerydog> 3.04a and 2.9
[27-Jun-2007 11:16:19] <tty01> heh we're still using 2.2
[27-Jun-2007 11:16:39] <soloman> maybe adding only template is not enough for my task?
[27-Jun-2007 11:16:44] <tty01> the zenoss template you simply export it and then import it to the cluster you want to apply the checks to
[27-Jun-2007 11:17:04] <tty01> and remove the checks you dont want applied
[27-Jun-2007 11:17:43] <tty01> which perf template did you apply this check to soloman?
[27-Jun-2007 11:18:26] <soloman> I added it to root of perf templates
[27-Jun-2007 11:18:39] <tty01> the only templates that is applied is "Device"
[27-Jun-2007 11:18:41] <tty01> so add that check in there
[27-Jun-2007 11:18:43] <soloman> Devices /Server /Templates /testtempl
[27-Jun-2007 11:18:50] <soloman> this is where I'm now
[27-Jun-2007 11:19:00] <soloman> testtempl is my template
[27-Jun-2007 11:20:13] <tty01> try going to http://yourzenossip/zport/dmd/Devices/rrdTemplates/Device
[27-Jun-2007 11:20:13] <tty01> thats where it should be applied to
[27-Jun-2007 11:20:51] <soloman> thanks I will try now
[27-Jun-2007 11:20:56] <tty01> np
[27-Jun-2007 11:21:09] <tty01> thats the only template that works i think
[27-Jun-2007 11:21:16] <tty01> all other templates arent applied for some reason
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[27-Jun-2007 11:42:41] <soloman> tty01: no luck I added Data Source ds1 Source: /usr/local/bin/state.sh Source Type: COMMAND Enabled: True
[27-Jun-2007 11:43:03] <soloman> but state.sh still not been called
[27-Jun-2007 11:43:52] <tty01> try placing that in $ZENHOME/libexec
[27-Jun-2007 11:44:41] <soloman> what will be the name of DataSource then?
[27-Jun-2007 11:45:33] <tty01> i mean put the script in $ZENHOME/libexec
[27-Jun-2007 11:47:04] <soloman> I did
[27-Jun-2007 11:47:45] <tty01> just name the datasource whatever you want
[27-Jun-2007 11:48:00] <tty01> and for the command take out the /usr/local/bin part
[27-Jun-2007 11:48:10] <tty01> just put state.sh and commandline arguments
[27-Jun-2007 11:48:40] <soloman> where to put it? in Command Template?
[27-Jun-2007 11:48:53] <tty01> yep
[27-Jun-2007 11:49:15] <tty01> like i have a command template check_snmp_load -H ${devname} -C public -m L -w 30,30,30 -c 40,40,40
[27-Jun-2007 11:49:28] <soloman> yep, that worked!
[27-Jun-2007 11:49:30] <soloman> thank you
[27-Jun-2007 11:49:31] <tty01>
[27-Jun-2007 11:50:11] <tty01> alll scripts are executed from the path you define.....or by default its $ZENHOME/libexec
[27-Jun-2007 11:50:17] <tty01> so place all your scripts in that dir
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[27-Jun-2007 12:59:50] <soloman> tty01: how to make zenoss reread config? I removed template for checking my script hour ago but it keeps calling this script
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[27-Jun-2007 13:30:45] <doorman> Some Brazilian?
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[27-Jun-2007 13:37:27] <doorman> am with problems in the graphics of Zenoss. Some it can help?
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[27-Jun-2007 14:19:54] <tty01> soloman restart zencommand
[27-Jun-2007 14:21:46] <soloman> tty01: yeah i got another issue and fixed it
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[27-Jun-2007 14:23:43] <soloman> now the problem is zenoss doesn't take the script return value. Script prints some number, f.e 45. I set min value to 50 in Threshold so it should generate a critical Event when it receive 45 but it doesn't
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[27-Jun-2007 14:24:24] <tty01> running a custom script?
[27-Jun-2007 14:24:31] <tty01> or a nagios plugin?
[27-Jun-2007 14:28:10] <soloman> custom script
[27-Jun-2007 14:28:15] <soloman> it just prints 45
[27-Jun-2007 14:28:56] <tty01> can you paste your print part
[27-Jun-2007 14:29:13] <tty01> im guessing its your script
[27-Jun-2007 14:29:25] <soloman> #!/bin/bash
[27-Jun-2007 14:29:25] <soloman> echo 45
[27-Jun-2007 14:29:37] <soloman> that's it. It only for testing
[27-Jun-2007 14:29:45] <tty01> thats your whole script?
[27-Jun-2007 14:30:13] <soloman> yeah. I want to generate a critical event if the value given by script is less than 50
[27-Jun-2007 14:30:32] <soloman> but I can modify script - that's not problem
[27-Jun-2007 14:30:51] <tty01> what did you want to test for?
[27-Jun-2007 14:32:12] <soloman> I have some process that give some number from 1 to 100 - I want to stat this number, draw graphs and generate events if the number is less than some value
[27-Jun-2007 14:32:58] <tty01> why not just have it check by its OID
[27-Jun-2007 14:32:59] <soloman> this process makes selections from mysql and count this value using it's algorithm
[27-Jun-2007 14:33:04] <tty01> oh
[27-Jun-2007 14:33:58] <tty01> where does this number get output to?
[27-Jun-2007 14:34:05] <doorman> I am with problems in the graficos of alguem it can help
[27-Jun-2007 14:34:17] <soloman> i could check by OID if it makes difference from COMMAND the only thing I need is to get this number
[27-Jun-2007 14:34:41] <doorman> Some Brazilian?
[27-Jun-2007 14:34:44] <tty01> soloman snmpwalk -v1 hostname -c stringcommunity
[27-Jun-2007 14:35:19] <doorman> I am with problems in the graphics on zenoss it some can help?
[27-Jun-2007 14:36:19] <soloman> tty01: but how to run this process via snmp?
[27-Jun-2007 14:36:37] <tty01> look for the value you want or its currently outputtin on the right hand side
[27-Jun-2007 14:37:52] <soloman> what value?
[27-Jun-2007 14:38:08] <tty01> that would depend on your program....you said you want to monitor it and then graph it
[27-Jun-2007 14:38:12] <tty01> you can do that via oid
[27-Jun-2007 14:38:32] <soloman> tty01: but i need to run the process to get this value
[27-Jun-2007 14:38:44] <tty01> isnt this process always running?
[27-Jun-2007 14:38:47] <soloman> no
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[27-Jun-2007 14:38:53] <tty01> oh
[27-Jun-2007 14:39:03] <tty01> what you can do is have it exec in the snmpd.conf file
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[27-Jun-2007 14:39:13] <soloman> that's why I use COMMAND. it run the proc gets the value and exit
[27-Jun-2007 14:39:19] <soloman> sounds simle
[27-Jun-2007 14:39:23] <soloman> simple
[27-Jun-2007 14:39:25] <tty01> one sec...i forgot the syntax
[27-Jun-2007 14:41:09] <tty01> ok so your script queuries mysql and prints its output is that correct?
[27-Jun-2007 14:41:41] <soloman> yes
[27-Jun-2007 14:42:02] <tty01> so just vi /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf
[27-Jun-2007 14:42:12] <tty01> enter exec /bin/sh /pathtoyourscript
[27-Jun-2007 14:42:45] <tty01> then you can do a snmpwalk -v1 hostname -c communitystring UCD-SNMP-MIB::extOutput.1
[27-Jun-2007 14:42:50] <tty01> and search for the value
[27-Jun-2007 14:42:56] <tty01> brb
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[27-Jun-2007 14:51:31] <soloman> I did but now it writes: Error reading value for "TestDpoint" on localhost.localdomain (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.8 is bad)
[27-Jun-2007 14:51:31] <soloman> Error reading value for "TestDpoint" on localhost.localdomain (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.8 is bad)
[27-Jun-2007 15:10:53] <tty01> copy and paste what you put into your snmpd.conf
[27-Jun-2007 15:16:28] <soloman> exec zen_test /usr/local/bin/zenoss_test
[27-Jun-2007 15:16:57] <soloman> and zenoss_test is #!/bin/bash
[27-Jun-2007 15:16:58] <soloman> echo 45
[27-Jun-2007 15:19:02] <tty01> you sure you're checking the right OID
[27-Jun-2007 15:19:38] <soloman> how can I find out what OID is right?
[27-Jun-2007 15:20:37] <tty01> do the walk again....but add enterprises.ucdavis.extTable.extEntry to the end this time
[27-Jun-2007 15:20:51] <tty01> see if the value you're looking for shows up there
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:16] <soloman> snmpwalk -v 1 localhost -c public enterprises.ucdavis.extTable.extEntry
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:16] <soloman> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extIndex.1 = INTEGER: 1
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:16] <soloman> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extNames.1 = STRING: zen_test
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:16] <soloman> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extCommand.1 = STRING: /usr/local/bin/zenoss_test
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:16] <soloman> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extResult.1 = INTEGER: 45
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:17] <soloman> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extOutput.1 = STRING: TestDP=45
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:19] <soloman> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extErrFix.1 = INTEGER: 0
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:21] <soloman> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extErrFixCmd.1 = STRING:
[27-Jun-2007 15:27:39] <tty01> do a snmptranslate -Td -On UCD-SNMP-MIB::extResult.1
[27-Jun-2007 15:27:44] <tty01> and thats the OID you do the check for
[27-Jun-2007 15:30:48] <soloman> great seems to be the right OID thank you
[27-Jun-2007 15:31:31] <soloman> but it still doesn't collect data from this script
[27-Jun-2007 15:31:49] <soloman> what Data point should I use to correctly parse data?
[27-Jun-2007 15:35:39] <tty01> i thought that interger was the data you wanted to grab?
[27-Jun-2007 15:36:49] <soloman> it doesn't seem to be grabbed correctly
[27-Jun-2007 15:37:01] <soloman> how can I check what was grabbed?
[27-Jun-2007 15:45:19] <soloman> i see only zeros on graph
[27-Jun-2007 15:47:21] <soloman> tty01: btw how can I change the cycle time of snmp requests to this script? now it is 300 sec.
[27-Jun-2007 15:51:07] <soloman> i'll be back in 20 minutes
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[27-Jun-2007 16:12:46] <Bulwinkle> does anyone have the fix for the utilization exceeded for vlans?
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[27-Jun-2007 16:53:04] <Bulwinkle> seems there is no way to differenciate between a Cisco port-channel and vlan.... bummer
[27-Jun-2007 16:53:27] <moredakka> Does zenoss filter snmp traps?
[27-Jun-2007 16:54:03] <moredakka> the reason I ask, solarwinds orion shows more traps from the same devices that zenoss is monitoring. Not sure if zenoss is filtering them somehow or?
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[27-Jun-2007 17:19:16] <rkagin> I'm working on adding a report, and going through the howto (http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/how-to-add-a-report/), but I'm getting stuck on the executing a plugin. I'm doing exactly as the howto says, but I'm not seeing any results. Anyone got insight for this?
[27-Jun-2007 17:19:16] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
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[27-Jun-2007 17:54:29] <cluther_> rkagin: Did you code the plugin and put it into the $ZENHOME/ZenReports/plugins directory?
[27-Jun-2007 17:56:35] <cluther_> cluther_: I usually try to avoid using plugins so that my report is entirely contained in one file.
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[27-Jun-2007 17:57:20] <cluther_> cluther_: You can get some pretty crazy data into a report without resorting to a plugin.
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[27-Jun-2007 18:02:33] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Genshi Templates in Nevow - 11 Apr, 05:04PM
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[27-Jun-2007 18:05:50] <moredakka> cluther, does zenoss filter an traps? It seems that zenoss isn't seeing some of the traps that are sent to it while other monitoring systems will see the trap (that zenoss doesn't see) from the same box.
[27-Jun-2007 18:08:45] <moredakka> (v 1.1.1)
[27-Jun-2007 18:13:06] <cluther_> moredakka: Not unless you setup event mapping rules to do it. No SNMP traps are ignored by default.
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[27-Jun-2007 18:16:18] <moredakka> Haven't set anything up...hmmm, I'll have to check through the logs to see where these traps are going. If Zenoss doesn't know what the trap is it will just put it in /Unknown, correct?
[27-Jun-2007 18:19:37] <moredakka> in v1.1.1 what log file will show the traps that zenoss processes?
[27-Jun-2007 18:22:46] <rkagin> cluther_: My apologies - I was out of the room for a while. I was simply following the tutorial posted on the howtos, which specifically referenced a sample plugin (of which comes with the install) - but it wouldn't work (it would show nothing but the template).
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[27-Jun-2007 18:23:56] <cluther_> cluther_: "objects" is where you put all of your data for the report. It should be an array, one entry for each row of the table.
[27-Jun-2007 18:26:38] <cluther_> cluther_: For example.. to get a list of all of your devices you would do this in your tal:define block..
[27-Jun-2007 18:26:55] <cluther_> objects python: here.Devices.getSubDevices();
[27-Jun-2007 18:27:02] <rkagin> cluther_: Talking to yourself again?
[27-Jun-2007 18:27:50] <_keturn> adytum-bot: what's up with you? why do you report the same blog post from April that you did yesterday?
[27-Jun-2007 18:27:50] <adytum-bot> _keturn: Error: "what's" is not a valid command.
[27-Jun-2007 18:30:53] <rkagin> cluther_: Where can I learn more about how the tal blocks work, or learn about the language that it uses?
[27-Jun-2007 18:45:09] <bzed> rkagin: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/
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[27-Jun-2007 18:53:58] <rkagin> bzed: I'm looking, but can't find a "reference" guide, shall we say, to TALES (TTML?)
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[27-Jun-2007 19:15:59] <cluther_> http://wiki.zope.org/ZPT/TALESSpecification13
[27-Jun-2007 19:15:59] <adytum-bot> Title: wiki.zope.org TALES Specification 1.3 (at wiki.zope.org)
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[27-Jun-2007 19:23:58] <rkagin> cluther_: Yup, I'm there already - but I segued into trying to get a custom graph and viewing it. I got the template made in the /Devices category, but now I can't seem to get the graph to display for a given device.
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[27-Jun-2007 21:19:42] <sand_2> 'lo .. anyone had any success getting zenoss-2 to build on bsd .. having nagios plugins problem .. and it won't recognize the port.
[27-Jun-2007 21:22:09] <bzed> somebopdy tried it allready
[27-Jun-2007 21:22:19] <bzed> there was some stupid option to set to get the nagios plugins to build
[27-Jun-2007 21:22:23] <sand_2> looks like the alloc.h problem n the nagioplugins is a problem
[27-Jun-2007 21:22:28] <sand_2> fixed that..
[27-Jun-2007 21:22:28] <bzed> but I don;t really reamember anymore with one
[27-Jun-2007 21:22:39] <bzed> --with-libFOO
[27-Jun-2007 21:22:41] <bzed> i think
[27-Jun-2007 21:23:27] <sand_2> yea .. I commented the require and the build finished.. the bsd port on my version is still 1.4.3 .. and didn't have that patch .. interestingly.
[27-Jun-2007 21:23:38] <sand_2> trying build.sh again
[27-Jun-2007 21:26:06] <bzed> as soon as we're done with the debian packages and upstream changed all the stuff IO'm going to suggest installing zenoss should become much more easy. well, at least I hope so
[27-Jun-2007 21:26:36] <sand_2> if this works .. I can help with the port on bsd .. it would take care of all this dependency stuff you're doing now.
[27-Jun-2007 21:37:34] <bzed> the dependencies are packaged for debian
[27-Jun-2007 21:37:38] <bzed> and zenoss, too
[27-Jun-2007 21:37:42] <bzed> except for some init scripts
[27-Jun-2007 21:37:48] <bzed> but there's much stuff to improve
[27-Jun-2007 21:38:31] <bzed> I'm thinking about a proper configure way to setup all files and paths in a proper, FHS-compatible way under a given prefix
[27-Jun-2007 21:38:32] <sand_2> the build script *Appears* to be working thus far .. but it'd be fun to convert this one to a port ;-) i'll see how far I get with the sw .. and then perhaps write it .. I have quite a few nagios installations i'd like to migrate if this works better.
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:05] <bzed> you wanna start with all the dependencies
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:12] <bzed> makes no sense to ship them with a zenoss port
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:19] <sand_2> agreed..
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:38] <bzed> Depends: ${python:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, ${zope:Depends},
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:38] <bzed> adduser, dbconfig-common (>= 1.8.35), snmp,
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:38] <bzed> python-elementtree (>= 1.2.6), python-epydoc (>= 2.1),
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:38] <bzed> python-mysqldb (>= 1.2.0),
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:38] <bzed> python-pydot (>= 0.9.10), python-simplejson (>= 1.4),
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:38] <bzed> python-rrd, python-twisted (>= 2.5.0),
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:40] <bzed> python-pynetsnmp, python-wmi,
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:42] <bzed> python-twill (>= 0.8.5), python-twisted-snmp, yapps2 (>= 2.1.1),
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:44] <bzed> zope-advancedquery, zope-managableindex,
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:46] <bzed> zope-cmfcore1.6, zope-genericsetup, zope-pas, zope-pluginregistry,
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:48] <bzed> zenoss-zensocket, mysql-client-5.0 (>= 5.0.22)
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:50] <bzed> Recommends: mysql-server-5.0 (>= 5.0.22), sendpage-server, snmpd
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:54] <bzed> not sure how bsd handles the zope stuff
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:00] <sand_2> hmm
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:16] <bzed> if there's nothing to handle it properly, you probably wanna look into debian's zope-common and zope-debheler
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:20] <sand_2> separate ports..
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:30] <sand_2> drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Dec 6 2006 /usr/ports/www/zope/
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:31] <sand_2> drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Dec 6 2006 /usr/ports/www/zope-FileSystemSite/
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:31] <sand_2> drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Dec 6 2006 /usr/ports/www/zope-annotations/
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:31] <sand_2> drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Dec 6 2006 /usr/ports/www/zope-archetypes/
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:31] <sand_2> drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Dec 6 2006 /usr/ports/www/zope-btreefolder2/
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:32] <sand_2> etc..
[27-Jun-2007 21:41:02] <bzed> is there a proper way to setup an instance and add specified modules to it?
[27-Jun-2007 21:41:07] <sand_2> thos I don't see some of the ports ..
[27-Jun-2007 21:41:07] <sand_2> yes .
[27-Jun-2007 21:41:27] <bzed> and for setting up a ZEO db?
[27-Jun-2007 21:41:56] <sand_2> not sure about that .. I am not as familiar with zope .. which version of zope are we using here.. bsd suports 2.8 2.9 and 3
[27-Jun-2007 21:42:21] <bzed> 2.8 and 2.9 are fine, didn;t test 2.10 yet
[27-Jun-2007 21:43:04] <bzed> but you can;t use Five and CMFCore from the zenoss pacakaging with 2.9, that's all 2.8 stuff
[27-Jun-2007 21:43:17] <sand_2> hmm .. swig needs to be added as a dependency.
[27-Jun-2007 21:43:18] <bzed> but there's CMFCore 1.6 for zope2.9 and Five is shipped with 2.9
[27-Jun-2007 21:43:34] <bzed> sand_2: that's a build-time dep. only
[27-Jun-2007 21:43:35] <sand_2> wmi uses it for the install
[27-Jun-2007 21:43:57] <bzed> yeah
[27-Jun-2007 21:44:14] <sand_2> I am doing the build from scratch ...
[27-Jun-2007 21:44:16] <bzed> we ship the wmi stuff in an other package
[27-Jun-2007 21:44:23] <bzed> not in the zenoss pacakge
[27-Jun-2007 21:44:29] <sand_2> ahh.
[27-Jun-2007 21:44:56] <bzed> reminds me that I need to change the build stuff so it doesn;t try to build winexe on arm
[27-Jun-2007 21:45:03] <bzed> there's no mingw32 on arm
[27-Jun-2007 21:45:21] <bzed> and I don;t like to use the binary blob in the source
[27-Jun-2007 21:45:25] <sand_2> yea .. mingw32 is unarmed
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[27-Jun-2007 21:45:30] <bzed>
[27-Jun-2007 21:45:58] <sand_2> after UF and xkcd today .. I am in a pun mood.
[27-Jun-2007 21:46:15] <bzed> i have to catch up with my feedreader
[27-Jun-2007 21:48:21] <sand_2> hmm .. finally loading objects .. that's a good step ;-)
[27-Jun-2007 21:56:45] <sand_2> hmm ... instance is up .. but login no workie .. hmm ..
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[27-Jun-2007 22:12:50] <bzed> sand_2: I think admin / zenoss is username / passsword
[27-Jun-2007 22:12:52] <bzed> not sure though
[27-Jun-2007 22:13:21] <bzed> when installing the debian package the user is being asked for a username and apssword
[27-Jun-2007 22:13:22] <bzed>
[27-Jun-2007 22:14:19] <sand_2> yea.. I tried using one from build .. had to go backl and build with default
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[27-Jun-2007 22:55:08] <billly_bobb> hello
[27-Jun-2007 23:08:24] <billly_bobb> :-(
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[28-Jun-2007 05:14:10] <Lejano> hello all..Got a question about zenoss anybody can answer?
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[28-Jun-2007 06:16:48] <Slidey> with zenoss, can i have a spearate user logging into a web interface that can only see graphs? and maybe configure a different subset of graphs for a different user ?
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[28-Jun-2007 07:13:57] <tripitaka> Hi, I can't see anything in the admin guide about nrpe. Is it supported in zenoss?
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[28-Jun-2007 09:29:18] <withoutend> Hello everyone
[28-Jun-2007 09:30:54] <withoutend> I've got a quick question, if anyone is available
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[28-Jun-2007 09:51:39] <soloman> hello
[28-Jun-2007 09:52:30] <soloman> I got a question: if my script which I want to monitor prints: somevalue=35 should DataPoint name be "somevalue" to collect the value?
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[28-Jun-2007 10:39:41] <FelipeBare> does zenoss monitor oracle databases ?
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[28-Jun-2007 11:06:33] <moredakka> anyone know if in v2.0 or the next release if there is going to be an option for alerting only if multi components fail?
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[28-Jun-2007 11:11:41] <MikeConigliaro> hey guys, i noticed that a system wont be autodiscovered unless it has snmp running. what about in the case of windows servers? can autodiscovery work with wmi too?
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[28-Jun-2007 11:32:15] <dubie> hi, I got zenoss working great on fedora cor6; however, I changed the hostname of my fedora box and now zenoss dows not respond at address:8080
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[28-Jun-2007 12:16:06] <moredakka> anyone know if in v2.0 or the next release if there is going to be an option for alerting only if multi components fail?
[28-Jun-2007 12:20:40] <jeisenberg> i am hoping so moredakka
[28-Jun-2007 12:21:29] <Slidey> what language are zenoss plugins written in? python?
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[28-Jun-2007 12:38:57] <moredakka> Slidey: I'm pretty sure that most everything is written in python
[28-Jun-2007 12:39:53] <jeisenberg> same here. not knowing python is an issue. the documentation is very sparse. (that is even an understatement)
[28-Jun-2007 12:42:57] <soloman> how can it be? TestDP threshold of 80 exceeded: current value 66.00
[28-Jun-2007 12:43:11] <soloman> min Threshold is 40 Max is 80
[28-Jun-2007 12:43:26] <soloman> but 66 generates an exceeded Event
[28-Jun-2007 12:43:37] <moredakka> Spike?
[28-Jun-2007 12:44:01] <moredakka> anyone know what log file shows the incoming traps?
[28-Jun-2007 12:44:08] <moredakka> (v1.1.1)
[28-Jun-2007 12:51:39] <Slidey> hrm - that pretty much writes zenoss out as an option for us then
[28-Jun-2007 12:51:44] <Slidey> strike another one
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[28-Jun-2007 13:25:39] <bmunger> i looked through the docs and screen shots, but couldnt find out if zenoss supports disk usage monitoring
[28-Jun-2007 13:25:51] <bmunger> is that one of the things it does?
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[28-Jun-2007 13:31:48] <MikeConigliaro> bmunger: yes
[28-Jun-2007 13:36:49] <jeisenberg> can anyone here tell me what i need to do to move templates from a specific device to a specific class?
[28-Jun-2007 13:37:00] <jeisenberg> those are perf templates btw
[28-Jun-2007 13:40:09] <jeisenberg> anyone?
[28-Jun-2007 13:44:24] <rkagin> jeisenberg: The only way I know how to do it is to recreate it, or add it to a zenpack and then export/import in a new directory.
[28-Jun-2007 13:45:23] <jeisenberg> i added it to a zenpack but i do not know how to import it to the device class directory. we are only talking about 40-45 oids...
[28-Jun-2007 13:45:24] <jeisenberg> lol
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[28-Jun-2007 13:47:13] <rkagin> jeisenberg: Well it would be a heck of a lot to recreate. Try this out: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/what-is-a-zenpack/
[28-Jun-2007 13:47:13] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[28-Jun-2007 13:48:52] <bmunger> thank you MikeConigliaro
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[28-Jun-2007 14:21:18] <aleron> is it just me or does the XML::RPC method of sending events to zenoss not work anymore? (using perl)
[28-Jun-2007 14:23:02] <aleron> ...I see this place is as active as ever.
[28-Jun-2007 14:28:07] <soloman> it's not working for me too
[28-Jun-2007 14:30:39] <aleron> I was having segfaults with zenevents under 1.x so I upgraded to 2.0, but now I don't have custom events working. wget method doesn't work either.
[28-Jun-2007 14:30:57] <aleron> I think I may switch to HP openview
[28-Jun-2007 14:31:01] <aleron> zenoss is kinda suckin
[28-Jun-2007 14:31:36] <jeisenberg> i would like zenoss if there was a little more documentation. it is not a bad system, just not documented properly.
[28-Jun-2007 14:36:38] <aleron> I would love it if features consistently worked. The simpleDashboard doesn't work in newer 1.x or 2.0 either. And the login mechanism changed so you can't have anonymous access to zope objects within the zenoss control structure.
[28-Jun-2007 14:37:01] <aleron> the rate of new features is occluded by stuff breaking all the time.
[28-Jun-2007 14:39:24] <soloman> does anybody know how to make snmp return an integer value not strings?
[28-Jun-2007 14:43:13] <aleron> like on the command line w/ snmpwalk?
[28-Jun-2007 14:46:16] <soloman> snmpwalk returns UCD-SNMP-MIB::extOutput.1 = STRING: 50 it's a string but zenoss count it as integer
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[28-Jun-2007 14:46:53] <soloman> so it creates thresholds like "TestDP threshold of 80 exceeded: current value 50.00"
[28-Jun-2007 14:47:13] <soloman> maximum is 80 and 50 is less than 80
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[28-Jun-2007 14:47:54] <aleron> yea I got you. There is a flag for snmp walk to make it return only OIDs and integers, but as far as getting zenoss to probe it as an int instead of a string, beats me. You would probably have to get into the code to fix it.
[28-Jun-2007 14:52:13] <soloman> I've already fixed for thresholds but I didn't think that zenoss has such dirty errors
[28-Jun-2007 14:53:09] <aleron> hah
[28-Jun-2007 14:53:14] <aleron> yea get used to it
[28-Jun-2007 14:56:12] <soloman> but maybe there's a way to make snmpd return integers?
[28-Jun-2007 14:56:59] <aleron> possibly.
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[28-Jun-2007 15:03:38] <soloman> my snmpd runs a file via exec directive and reads output from that file and send it tp zenoss
[28-Jun-2007 15:03:54] <soloman> and send String which Zenoss treats as Integer
[28-Jun-2007 15:04:25] <soloman> anybody knows how to fix it without source editing?
[28-Jun-2007 15:16:22] <moredakka> Anyone know how to get CentOS to send traps?
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[28-Jun-2007 17:33:00] <rkagin> If anyone can help me: I created a template in the /Devices category, and it seems to be working in /Network/Router/Devices, but when I look at an individual device, and look at the templates affecting it, it doesn't have the template I created. Why is this the case, what's going wrong, or what did I do wrong (more importantly, how do I correct it)?
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[28-Jun-2007 18:31:26] <mapex> Is there a way, or has anyone got something documented on how to see a bandwidth overview for a bunch of ports at once?
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[28-Jun-2007 20:10:57] <somealias> is there a known issue with the zenwin daemon in 2.0, or did i miss something that tells you that you need pywin to run on your zenoss server?
[28-Jun-2007 20:55:59] <mapex> wtf, there's no make command on the vmware appliance, can't even install vmtools
[28-Jun-2007 21:04:44] <thedude-42> i'm going to assume most folks are having issues with the wmi components with 2.0
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[29-Jun-2007 02:32:47] <jreese> anyone here have much experience with the REST API for zenoss?
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[29-Jun-2007 02:47:09] <jreese> actually, my issue seems to be with zope, not zenoss
[29-Jun-2007 02:47:33] <jreese> trying to get a device with a case insensitive name
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[29-Jun-2007 04:36:11] <jreese> can't do what i wanted... ended up changing my DataCollector to make sure everything is in upper case... meh
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[29-Jun-2007 10:11:21] <Bulwinkle> Anyone know how I can differentiate between VLANs and PortChannels in CiscoIOS?
[29-Jun-2007 10:12:31] <cluther> Bulwinkle: They're both of type "propVirtual" right?
[29-Jun-2007 10:13:14] <Bulwinkle> cluther: Unfortunately yes.... I want to collect stats for the portchannels but the VLANs keep on throwing back SNMP errors on the OIDs
[29-Jun-2007 10:14:16] <cluther> Bulwinkle: The only way to do it would be to cause them to be a different type. This could be done in the InterfaceMap data collector plugin. Let me show you what I mean..
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[29-Jun-2007 10:14:53] * Bulwinkle is watching
[29-Jun-2007 10:15:27] <cluther> Bulwinkle: 2.x?
[29-Jun-2007 10:15:47] <Bulwinkle> cluther: yeppers
[29-Jun-2007 10:16:03] <cluther> Great, we'll make it a ZenPack.
[29-Jun-2007 10:16:32] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Go to Settings/ZenPacks and add a new one. Call it whatever you want.. MyCustomPack or something.
[29-Jun-2007 10:17:24] <Bulwinkle> okie
[29-Jun-2007 10:17:51] <soloman> Hi! Can someone help me? I have an SNMP directive 'exec' which run an application and pass it's output to Zenoss. The output looks like: UCD-SNMP-MIB::extOutput.1 = STRING: 55
[29-Jun-2007 10:18:27] <soloman> but zenoss can't parse thresholds and build graphs for this value because it's a string while zenoss expect INTEGER
[29-Jun-2007 10:19:06] <soloman> how can I make zenoss understand the extOutput values?
[29-Jun-2007 10:19:11] <cluther> soloman: You'll need to use Net-SNMP's "pass" or "pass_persist" instead of exec if you want integers.
[29-Jun-2007 10:19:34] <soloman> cluther: one minutes I'll give a try
[29-Jun-2007 10:19:46] <cluther> soloman: Check out the SNMP::Persist module on CPAN for an easy way to do this with Perl.
[29-Jun-2007 10:19:54] <cluther> Bulwinkle: So you have that empty ZenPack now?
[29-Jun-2007 10:20:18] <Bulwinkle> cluther: yeppers
[29-Jun-2007 10:20:45] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Now see if you have a directory called $ZENHOME/Products/MyCustomPack
[29-Jun-2007 10:20:50] <soloman> cluther: and how can I find MIB for this value then?
[29-Jun-2007 10:21:33] <Bulwinkle> cluther: Its there
[29-Jun-2007 10:23:41] <cluther> soloman: You make it up. If your organization already has an enterprise MIB number assignment you should put it there.
[29-Jun-2007 10:23:56] <cluther> soloman: Otherwise you could use the extension point on the NetSNMP MIB.. looking that up..
[29-Jun-2007 10:26:44] <soloman> my organisation doesn't have any enterprise MIB number assignments
[29-Jun-2007 10:26:52] <cluther> soloman: Somewhere on the UCD experimental branch would be good: 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.??
[29-Jun-2007 10:27:40] <cluther> soloman: Check out http://support.ipmonitor.com/mibs_byoidtree.aspx?oid=1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13#h to see what's available.
[29-Jun-2007 10:27:40] <adytum-bot> Title: ipMonitor Support Portal :: Mibs (at support.ipmonitor.com)
[29-Jun-2007 10:27:42] <cluther> soloman: It looks like only 1, 14, 15 and 16 are taken so far.
[29-Jun-2007 10:27:58] <cluther> soloman: So you could grab 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.100 or something like that.
[29-Jun-2007 10:28:27] <soloman> cluther: ok and how can I set this MIB to my script?
[29-Jun-2007 10:29:00] <cluther> Bulwinkle: ok, great.. there should be a directory within it called modelers/plugins
[29-Jun-2007 10:29:41] <Bulwinkle> cluther: got them
[29-Jun-2007 10:29:55] <cluther> soloman: The SNMP::Persist module explains how to set the base OID in the docs: http://search.cpan.org/~anias/SNMP-Persist-0.05/lib/SNMP/Persist.pm
[29-Jun-2007 10:29:55] <adytum-bot> Title: SNMP::Persist - The SNMP pass_persist threaded backend - search.cpan.org (at search.cpan.org)
[29-Jun-2007 10:30:01] <soloman> cluther: ok thank you very much
[29-Jun-2007 10:30:49] <cluther> Bulwinkle: What you want to do is copy the stock InterfaceMap plugin to your zenpack so you can modify it. So cp $ZENHOME/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/InterfaceMap.py to $ZENHOME/Products/MyCustomPack/modeler/plugins/CustomInterfaceMap.py
[29-Jun-2007 10:32:50] <Bulwinkle> cluther: alrighty
[29-Jun-2007 10:32:56] <Bulwinkle> cluther: done that
[29-Jun-2007 10:33:19] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Now edit that new CustomInterfaceMap.py file.
[29-Jun-2007 10:33:59] <Bulwinkle> cluther: okie dokie, got it in nano
[29-Jun-2007 10:34:02] <cluther> Bulwinkle: First thing is to replace all mentions of InterfaceMap with CustomInterfaceMap. The class needs renamed.. docs, etc.
[29-Jun-2007 10:35:26] <Bulwinkle> cluther: will a global search and replace take care of it?
[29-Jun-2007 10:36:06] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Yup. After that you'll need to change the "maptype =" part near line 35 back to InterfaceMap. That's the only one that doesn't need changed.
[29-Jun-2007 10:37:02] <Bulwinkle> cluther: alright, global replace ... CHECK, maptype change back ... CHECK
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[29-Jun-2007 10:37:56] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Now to make the real change. Somewhere around line 134 you'll find: om.type = self.ifTypes.get(str(om.type), "Unknown")
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[29-Jun-2007 10:38:54] <Bulwinkle> cluther: got it
[29-Jun-2007 10:39:31] <cluther> Bulwinkle: This is setting the type based on the value returned by the ifType SNMP request. We need to add a little conditional right under this line that goes like..
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[29-Jun-2007 10:40:16] <cluther> Bulwinkle: if om.id.startswith('port-channel'): om.type = 'PortChannel'
[29-Jun-2007 10:40:38] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Your port-channel interfaces do look like that, right? "port-channel #"
[29-Jun-2007 10:40:45] <cluther> Bulwinkle: case is important.
[29-Jun-2007 10:41:23] <Bulwinkle> cluther: looking....
[29-Jun-2007 10:43:40] <MoreDakka> cluther: In v1.1.1 where does zenoss store the logs for snmptraps?
[29-Jun-2007 10:44:01] <Bulwinkle> cluther: okay, here is one of the things.... on the CatOS Cisco switches everything is handled correctly... VLAN results have error counters and all of the good stuff.... Its the IOS for switches that has the problems....
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[29-Jun-2007 10:44:50] <cluther> Bulwinkle: That won't be a problem.. just make sure you get the name of the interface to match that .startswith for your IOS devices.
[29-Jun-2007 10:45:02] <Bulwinkle> cluther: let me see what the port channels start with on IOS
[29-Jun-2007 10:45:15] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Seems crazy that a VLAN would have error counters though.
[29-Jun-2007 10:46:27] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I think they are aggregate errors for all interfaces assigned to that VLAN
[29-Jun-2007 10:47:38] <Bulwinkle> cluther: this may take a bit, I had to add a switch running IOS with port-channeled interfaces
[29-Jun-2007 10:48:25] <cluther> Bulwinkle: No problem. I have about an hour left.
[29-Jun-2007 10:48:54] <cluther> moredakka: Nowhere.
[29-Jun-2007 10:49:24] <Bulwinkle> cluther: hrmmmm interface index:0 not found.....
[29-Jun-2007 10:49:26] <cluther> moredakka: You'd be best served by running a tcpdump on port 162/udp and writing it to a file -w.
[29-Jun-2007 10:49:40] <cluther> moredakka: Then you can use tcpdump or ethereal (wireshark) to see exactly what traps came in.
[29-Jun-2007 10:49:55] <cluther> cluther: Don't worry about that.. it's probably just a route thing.
[29-Jun-2007 10:50:01] <MoreDakka> ah, alright, thanks again cluther.
[29-Jun-2007 10:50:04] <cluther> that was for Bulwinkle .
[29-Jun-2007 10:50:14] <MoreDakka> hehe...unles you were talking to yourself
[29-Jun-2007 10:50:20] <cluther> I do that all the time.
[29-Jun-2007 10:50:31] <MoreDakka> haha
[29-Jun-2007 10:50:48] <cluther> It's an artifact from when I was the only person on this channel.
[29-Jun-2007 10:50:58] <Bulwinkle> cluther: gotcha.... Zope.SiteErrorLog too..... Ah well, let me find the portchannel identifier
[29-Jun-2007 10:51:03] <MoreDakka> talking to yourself isn't bad, it's just when you start responding...that's the problem.
[29-Jun-2007 10:52:58] <Bulwinkle> cluther: so now.... should it be what the interface is called under the os portion of the switch? like FA8/9 ?
[29-Jun-2007 10:53:37] <cluther> Bulwinkle: crap.. you have the weird InterfaceMap.
[29-Jun-2007 10:54:00] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I have the one that came with 2.0.0
[29-Jun-2007 10:54:08] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Let's fix that first before we finish the customer plugin. Edit your $ZENHOME/Products/DataCollector/zenoss/snmp/InterfaceMap.py
[29-Jun-2007 10:54:51] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Right about line 57 should be something that looks like '.#' : 'id',
[29-Jun-2007 10:55:07] <cluther> Bulwinkle: with description right below it.
[29-Jun-2007 10:55:52] <cluther> Bulwinkle: You need to delete that whole line with "id" on it so that the map only contains description and highSpeed
[29-Jun-2007 10:56:53] <cluther> cluther: Someone snuck that in there right before the release of 2.0.. it causes the interface names to be the short variety instead of the proper "FastEthernet8/9"
[29-Jun-2007 10:57:08] <Bulwinkle> cluther: how is this going to affect everything else?
[29-Jun-2007 10:57:22] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Next time your interfaces get modeled, they will have the correct names.
[29-Jun-2007 10:57:45] <Bulwinkle> cluther: graphs and stuff will all be cool right?
[29-Jun-2007 10:58:16] <cluther> Bulwinkle: The interface graphs will start over unfortunately. It's better this happens now than later when you upgrade to 2.0.1 or later.
[29-Jun-2007 10:58:37] * Bulwinkle kicks ZenOSS
[29-Jun-2007 10:59:03] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I just commented that line out cool enough?
[29-Jun-2007 10:59:07] <cluther> Bulwinkle: It is possible to keep the graphs, but it is a lot of work.
[29-Jun-2007 10:59:09] <cluther> Bulwinkle: yes
[29-Jun-2007 10:59:27] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Do the same for your CustomInterfaceMap too.
[29-Jun-2007 10:59:42] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I'd have to go in a rename the fa*_* to fastethernet*_* right?
[29-Jun-2007 11:00:31] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Yeah.. under perf/Devices/devName/os/ there is a directory for each interface. You'd shut zenoss down and renamed each of those directories to FastEthernet#_#
[29-Jun-2007 11:00:45] <Bulwinkle> eh Screw it
[29-Jun-2007 11:01:16] <Bulwinkle> cluther: do I need to restart before I add in a new device and get the portchannel?
[29-Jun-2007 11:01:34] <cluther> Bulwinkle: You only need to restart zope "zopectl restart"
[29-Jun-2007 11:02:14] <cluther> Bulwinkle: To get your other devices remodeled down the line you'd also restart the zenmodeler daemon.
[29-Jun-2007 11:02:41] <Bulwinkle> cluther: will the old rdd files stay there too?
[29-Jun-2007 11:03:03] <cluther> Bulwinkle: They will, but zenperfsnmp actually cleans up unused RRD files after a month.
[29-Jun-2007 11:04:50] <Bulwinkle> cluther: adding a new device with PortChannels
[29-Jun-2007 11:05:56] <Bulwinkle> cluther: not adding it....
[29-Jun-2007 11:06:36] <cluther> Bulwinkle: The device or interface?
[29-Jun-2007 11:06:55] <Bulwinkle> cluther: the device.... what have you done?
[29-Jun-2007 11:07:30] <Bulwinkle> cluther: the deviceloader page comes back blank....
[29-Jun-2007 11:07:51] <cluther> Bulwinkle: hmm.. try restarting zenmodeler.
[29-Jun-2007 11:08:34] <Bulwinkle> cluther: nada
[29-Jun-2007 11:08:47] <Bulwinkle> cluther: should I just restart the whole thing?
[29-Jun-2007 11:09:01] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I suppose so.
[29-Jun-2007 11:09:36] <Bulwinkle> cluther: and you though this was gonna be easy
[29-Jun-2007 11:10:04] <cluther> Bulwinkle: As we go down the rabbit hole..
[29-Jun-2007 11:10:51] <Bulwinkle> cluther: still nothing... did I hose something up... maybe a permission change?
[29-Jun-2007 11:11:12] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Check out your log/event.log to see if any errors are popping up/
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[29-Jun-2007 11:13:30] <Bulwinkle> cluther: last entry : INFO Zope Ready to handle requests
[29-Jun-2007 11:15:44] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Try modeling an existing device from the command line "zenmodeler run -v 10 --device=devName"
[29-Jun-2007 11:17:20] <soloman> cluther: thank you for your help, now it works with pass_persist i spent 2 days trying to get it worked
[29-Jun-2007 11:18:20] <cluther> soloman: pass_persist is very cool. You can create complex MIBs with tables and such.
[29-Jun-2007 11:18:29] <Bulwinkle> cluther: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/111278
[29-Jun-2007 11:18:29] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[29-Jun-2007 11:18:41] <soloman> cluther: yeah I see now the power of this method
[29-Jun-2007 11:21:14] <cluther> Bulwinkle: That looks perfect.. so no help there. Could you close your browser out and retry in case it's a session caching thing?
[29-Jun-2007 11:21:34] <Bulwinkle> cluther: one sec
[29-Jun-2007 11:22:44] <Bulwinkle> cluther: nada still
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[29-Jun-2007 11:24:12] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Do you have another IOS switch you could try?
[29-Jun-2007 11:24:22] <Bulwinkle> sure
[29-Jun-2007 11:24:49] <Bulwinkle> cluther: nada
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[29-Jun-2007 11:29:20] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Once you click Add, the next page comes up immediately and is blank, right?
[29-Jun-2007 11:29:58] <Bulwinkle> cluther: yeppers
[29-Jun-2007 11:32:59] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Try adding the device with the discovery protcol set to none.
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[29-Jun-2007 11:34:18] <Bulwinkle> cluther: nope... nada
[29-Jun-2007 11:37:44] <soloman> cluther: is there a module in python similar to SNMP::Persist?
[29-Jun-2007 11:38:24] <cluther> soloman: Not that I've been able to find. Maybe it's something you could do?
[29-Jun-2007 11:39:21] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Man.. try stopping zope "zopectl stop" removing the persistent cache "rm $ZENHOME/var/zeo1-1.zec then starting zope again
[29-Jun-2007 11:40:02] <soloman> cluther: this module looks simple, maybe I'll find time to port it to python
[29-Jun-2007 11:41:02] <cluther> soloman: Check out the man page for snmpd.conf. Look at the section for the pass_persist syntax. It actually tells you what it sends to the script, and what it expects back.
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[29-Jun-2007 11:42:06] <soloman> but I wonder why this module is still not ported because zenoss is written on python. I guess lots of people needs tasks like my one to be done. I mean collecting data from certain data sources like scripts. Does all of them deal with SNMP::Persist
[29-Jun-2007 11:42:56] <cluther> soloman: Well, zenoss didn't write the snmp::persist module. We're not the only SNMP monitoring platform in the world.. (yet)
[29-Jun-2007 11:44:02] <soloman> cluther: so there are no other way to monitor scripts output yet, right?
[29-Jun-2007 11:44:08] <Bulwinkle> cluther: nothing dude....
[29-Jun-2007 11:44:10] <soloman> I mean with zenoss
[29-Jun-2007 11:44:20] <Bulwinkle> cluther: should I back out my changes?
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[29-Jun-2007 11:44:36] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Yeah, go ahead.. but I have a feeling it isn't going to make a difference.
[29-Jun-2007 11:44:56] <Bulwinkle> cluther: you aren't exactly filling me with confidence
[29-Jun-2007 11:44:57] <cluther> soloman: We support Nagios and Cacti plugin output natively.
[29-Jun-2007 11:45:20] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I only say that because those changes should not have caused this kind of behavior.
[29-Jun-2007 11:45:37] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Just the fact that the zenmodeler ran fine from the command line indicates that the plugins are working.
[29-Jun-2007 11:48:02] <soloman> cluther: what Nagios or Cacti plugins can my task like my one?
[29-Jun-2007 11:48:24] <Bulwinkle> cluther: undid my change, restarted Zenoss .... nada
[29-Jun-2007 11:48:39] <Bulwinkle> let me restart my server
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[29-Jun-2007 11:50:11] <cluther> soloman: What are you trying to see?
[29-Jun-2007 11:50:49] <soloman> my script outputs some digital value from 1 to 100 - this is what I want to monitor
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[29-Jun-2007 11:50:59] <soloman> via SNMP
[29-Jun-2007 11:51:40] <cluther> soloman: via SNMP pass_persist is the only way to handle it. If you can do it via SSH a COMMAND type data source could be used.
[29-Jun-2007 11:51:54] <cluther> soloman: Of course the overhead of doing it via SSH is way higher if you have a lot of these to monitor.
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[29-Jun-2007 11:53:26] <soloman> cluther: ok great, pass_persist is enough for me now
[29-Jun-2007 11:53:39] <soloman> cluther: are you from dev team of zenoss?
[29-Jun-2007 11:53:57] <cluther> soloman: No, just part of the client services group.
[29-Jun-2007 11:56:50] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I'm doing som other cleanup too... You're not waiting on me are you?
[29-Jun-2007 11:57:46] <cluther> Bulwinkle: No, although I would like to see the resolution to this. I have to hit the road in about 20 minutes.
[29-Jun-2007 11:58:18] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I'm deleting some old vmware snapshots.... it may be a while
[29-Jun-2007 11:58:39] <cluther> Bulwinkle: ok..
[29-Jun-2007 11:59:29] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I made the mistake of making my disk 12Gb (should have been plenty)... I'm at 83% now...
[29-Jun-2007 12:00:20] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Ok. When you get back to it, you'll have to replace the zenoss.snmp.InterfaceMap with your "CustomInterfaceMap" in the zDataCollectorPlugins for your network gear. This will allow it to collect the modified "type" for the port-channel interfaces.
[29-Jun-2007 12:00:41] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Then you'll be able to create a "PortChannel" performance template that is applied to the port channels specifically.
[29-Jun-2007 12:01:02] <Bulwinkle> cluther: will you be back today?
[29-Jun-2007 12:01:08] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I'd recommend adding that new performance template to your custom ZenPack too for completeness' sake.
[29-Jun-2007 12:01:18] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Afraid not, I'm out of town for the weekend.
[29-Jun-2007 12:01:28] <Bulwinkle> cluther: monday?
[29-Jun-2007 12:01:34] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Yeah, I'll be back.
[29-Jun-2007 12:01:56] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I've been wanting to upgrade my vm server anyways... I'll just circle back with you Monday
[29-Jun-2007 12:02:10] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Great. Talk to you then.
[29-Jun-2007 12:03:15] <Bulwinkle> cluther: have a good weekend
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[29-Jun-2007 13:07:23] <Bulwinkle> does anyone have any idea why my zenhub might keep dying?
[29-Jun-2007 13:12:54] <MoreDakka_> Sorry, don't know that one as I'm on v1.1.1, however I do have a question as well. I don't know much about snmp, why is zenoss only receiving traps about snmp another nothing else?
[29-Jun-2007 13:14:14] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: I don't know anything about 1.1.1
[29-Jun-2007 13:16:26] <MoreDakka_> I'm assuming you have traps going on 2.0?
[29-Jun-2007 13:16:51] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: yep
[29-Jun-2007 13:19:16] <MoreDakka_> Do all your devices send all the proper traps (like shutdowns, reboots, packet loss...etc...etc)? And does Zenoss read them properly?
[29-Jun-2007 13:19:44] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: all of my network devices do
[29-Jun-2007 13:21:14] <MoreDakka_> Bah.....I'm trying to get a CentOS 4.4 box to send traps to Zenoss and all I'm getting is snmp traps, nothing else. We've also got other devices sending traps to zenoss and it seems that zenoss isn't getting them or not processing them (have those same devices sending traps to solarwinds monitoring and it seels all the traps)....so I'm confused on why zenoss isn't reading all the traps.
[29-Jun-2007 13:22:20] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: do you mean it is not receiving them or not formatting them properly
[29-Jun-2007 13:22:40] <MoreDakka_> Well i'm unsure if zenoss is even getting them as there are no log files that show that information.
[29-Jun-2007 13:25:09] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: that would definitely be a starting point
[29-Jun-2007 13:25:43] <MoreDakka_> Well I know that zenoss is getting some of the traps but it seems that other traps that are being sent out aren't getting to zenoss or not being processed by zenoss
[29-Jun-2007 13:26:07] <MoreDakka_> We have the solarwinds trial running as well and it's receiving traps that aren't showing up in zenoss
[29-Jun-2007 13:29:11] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: *Shrug*
[29-Jun-2007 13:29:24] <MoreDakka_> Yeah, I'm doing the same thing here :-/
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[29-Jun-2007 13:51:24] <bmunger> does zenoss have the ability to monitor processes on the machines it monitors?
[29-Jun-2007 13:51:38] <MoreDakka_> yes
[29-Jun-2007 13:51:59] <bmunger> by default or with another addon? i dont have it installed yet
[29-Jun-2007 13:52:23] <MoreDakka_> by default. just setup snmp on the device and you're good to go.
[29-Jun-2007 13:52:41] <bmunger> oh ok didnt know snmp had that ability, thats cool
[29-Jun-2007 13:52:42] <MoreDakka_> zenoss "should" auto discover alot of stuff to monitor.
[29-Jun-2007 13:53:07] <MoreDakka_> Well zenoss checks most everything via snmp
[29-Jun-2007 13:53:24] <MoreDakka_> that and custom commands to monitor things like telnet and ssh..etc..
[29-Jun-2007 13:54:00] <MoreDakka_> example, I have a set of commands that monitor tcp port 2003 2004 2005 and 2006 on a set of boxes.
[29-Jun-2007 13:54:24] <MoreDakka_> It takes some configuring to get it the way you want it but it works quite well, the devs did a good job on this one.
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[29-Jun-2007 13:56:20] <bmunger> yea see we are using big brother and it uses agents on the machines to report processes etc
[29-Jun-2007 13:56:28] <bmunger> so snmp would be a better approach
[29-Jun-2007 13:56:51] <MoreDakka_> yep, specially if you are monitoring a company that doesn't like to do changes to their system
[29-Jun-2007 13:57:01] <MoreDakka_> The only thing you might need to install is the SNMP-Informant.
[29-Jun-2007 13:57:07] <bmunger> ok
[29-Jun-2007 13:57:26] <MoreDakka_> Just for windows boxes as MS doesn't like to give out some information in a very nice way
[29-Jun-2007 13:59:32] <MoreDakka_> (ue)
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[29-Jun-2007 20:52:54] <chowmeined> I am using the vmware appliance and there are some events that come up, but they are false: "localhost.localdomain zenping heartbeat failure"
[29-Jun-2007 20:55:04] <chowmeined> any ideas on how to make these events stop coming up? All the daemons show up as 'green' under the settings > daemons panel
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[30-Jun-2007 06:34:50] <noctmz> hey peoples
[30-Jun-2007 06:34:53] <noctmz> have a quick question
[30-Jun-2007 06:36:34] <noctmz> i'm using fc6 used the el5 rpm installed no problem diables firewall and all that and when i run zenoss i get zeoctl error
[30-Jun-2007 06:36:44] <noctmz> no such file or directory
[30-Jun-2007 06:41:51] <noctmz> hello
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[30-Jun-2007 19:29:36] <bilke> hi people
[30-Jun-2007 19:29:54] <bilke> i have problem with zenoss installation (from source) on freebsd 5.3
[30-Jun-2007 19:30:08] <bilke> zenping is malfunctioning
[30-Jun-2007 19:30:20] <bilke> and keep filling my event log with following message:
[30-Jun-2007 19:30:49] <bilke> 203.212.121.2 sendto error short format requires 0<=number<=USHRT_MAX
[30-Jun-2007 19:31:15] <bilke> is there any workaround for this ?
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[30-Jun-2007 19:37:55] <bilke> anyone ?
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[01-Jun-2007 11:03:47] <_jellydonut_> ello world
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[01-Jun-2007 12:21:27] <hspcd> hi folks
[01-Jun-2007 12:26:35] <bendsu> hellos
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[01-Jun-2007 12:29:09] <hspcd> is it possible to use Zenoss to check a URL that requires login and then run a database query? We have a web application that is based on LAMP and this functionality from Zenoss would be huge, especially if the response times can be graphed.
[01-Jun-2007 12:30:28] <davetoo> nagios-format plugin
[01-Jun-2007 12:30:50] <hspcd> meaning?
[01-Jun-2007 12:31:23] <davetoo> Zenoss can use nagios plugins, and you can write your own tool that outputs the standard nagios-plugin format
[01-Jun-2007 12:32:28] <davetoo> so any other script (shell, perl, whatever) can be used as a DataSource in a performance template
[01-Jun-2007 12:33:44] <hspcd> so does this mean that we would be able to login over http/s and perform a db query, plus graph the response times?
[01-Jun-2007 12:35:01] <davetoo> Yes; you'd have to write a standalone tool that does the login and time measurement, and then outputs the standard one-line nagios output format
[01-Jun-2007 12:35:48] <davetoo> Search the zenoss community site for "nagios plugin"; it's also mentioned in the admin guide. You'll need to look at the Nagios Plugin Developer's stuff...
[01-Jun-2007 12:35:59] <davetoo> I don't have links handy
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[01-Jun-2007 12:36:21] <davetoo> what I *don't* know is how you'd pass authentication info into your script.
[01-Jun-2007 12:36:35] <davetoo> Haven't got that far yet, myself.
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[01-Jun-2007 13:00:52] <hspcd> we're comparing Zenoss against OpenNMS and I'm trying to get a sense of the capabilities of Zenoss
[01-Jun-2007 13:09:17] <hspcd> Is anyone else here monitoring and graphing URLs and response times?
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[02-Jun-2007 00:10:40] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Genshi Templates in Nevow - 11 Apr, 05:04PM
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[02-Jun-2007 12:01:01] <davetoo> hmm
[02-Jun-2007 12:01:24] <davetoo> Is the mailing list b0rked? I've never seen a gap this long without traffic.
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[03-Jun-2007 16:43:03] <nassy> i am trying to run zenoss 1.9.7. i saw in the release notes no more sudo (uses uid). when i try: zenping start i get an error message saying zensocket needs to run as root or with suid
[03-Jun-2007 16:43:09] <nassy> i am logged in as root
[03-Jun-2007 16:53:24] <bzed> nassy: you didn;t read the release notes completely then
[03-Jun-2007 16:53:48] <nassy> ok, thanks. going to check it out again
[03-Jun-2007 16:53:50] <nassy> :-)
[03-Jun-2007 16:54:16] <bzed> Special Instructions After Source Install
[03-Jun-2007 16:54:16] <bzed> =======================================================
[03-Jun-2007 16:54:16] <bzed> Builds from source will need to set the permissions on zensocket. To make this change, use the following command:
[03-Jun-2007 16:54:16] <bzed> su root -c "chown root $ZENHOME/bin/zensocket; chmod uog+rx,u+ws $ZENHOME/bin/zensocket"
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[03-Jun-2007 16:57:04] <nassy> thanks. i am using the virtual machine. does that still apply
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[03-Jun-2007 17:05:01] <nassy> i ran the above command and followed it with # zenoss start but got the same error. ls -l $ZENHOME/bin/zensocket gives -rwsr-xr-x 1 zenoss zenoss ... /home/zenoss/bin/zensocket
[03-Jun-2007 17:13:53] <davetoo> You've made id SUID-zenoss
[03-Jun-2007 17:13:57] <davetoo> which wont' help
[03-Jun-2007 17:14:08] <davetoo> "root" needs to be the owner of zensocket
[03-Jun-2007 17:19:37] <nassy> ah
[03-Jun-2007 17:22:34] <nassy> does the group matter. i now have rwsr-xr-x 1 root zenoss ... /home/zenoss/bin/zensocket but still get the same error
[03-Jun-2007 17:22:43] <nassy> when i type zenoss start
[03-Jun-2007 17:24:11] <nassy> let me try one more thing. looks like i lost the s bit when i made the change to owner root
[03-Jun-2007 17:26:05] <nassy> sweet works now. maybe i made a typo when i typed in the command from the special instructions that bzed posted
[03-Jun-2007 17:27:11] <nassy> i seems like a lot of the guys in this picture use macs
[03-Jun-2007 17:27:14] <nassy> http://blog.zenoss.com/category/humor/
[03-Jun-2007 17:27:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss Blog ���» Humor (at blog.zenoss.com)
[03-Jun-2007 17:27:46] <nassy> wonder if it makes sense to run zenoss directly on mac os x as opposed to a virtual machine
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[03-Jun-2007 18:07:51] <nassy> i don't seem to be able to add new users, alerts etc. when i look at the quick start documentation for 1.0 i see the buttons to add. is there a new way to add or am i missing something
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[03-Jun-2007 18:46:59] <davetoo> nassy which version? 1.9.x?
[03-Jun-2007 18:47:10] <nassy> 1.9.7
[03-Jun-2007 18:47:37] <davetoo> yeah, in the left-hand navigation column, Management -> Settings
[03-Jun-2007 18:47:39] <davetoo> then User tab
[03-Jun-2007 18:47:45] <nassy> yeah i tried that
[03-Jun-2007 18:48:09] <davetoo> then the little down triange ("arrow") next to the phrase "User folder"
[03-Jun-2007 18:48:27] <davetoo> They moved (hid) a lot of stuff behind that little ajax trick
[03-Jun-2007 18:48:28] <nassy> there is no add button in either firfox or safari
[03-Jun-2007 18:49:42] <davetoo> Do you have an inner window/frame that says "User Folder" with a white search box in the top border?
[03-Jun-2007 18:49:54] <davetoo> top of that inner box, that is
[03-Jun-2007 18:49:58] <nassy> yes
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:14] <davetoo> see the little triangle to the left of the phrase "User Folder"?
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:26] <nassy> :-)
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:29] <davetoo> If you click that you should get a popup
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:30] <nassy> oh my gosh
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:34] <davetoo> ok
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:35] <nassy> thats it
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:37] <nassy> thanks
[03-Jun-2007 18:51:10] <nassy> its really cool
[03-Jun-2007 18:51:10] <davetoo> It's kind of Adobe-like
[03-Jun-2007 18:51:16] <nassy> this ajax stuff
[03-Jun-2007 18:52:43] <davetoo> The problem with this Ajax stuff is cross-browser portability. Since they develop with Firefox, and I use firefox, it's great for me
[03-Jun-2007 18:53:58] <nassy> there are some things that don't line up quite right in safari
[03-Jun-2007 18:54:07] <nassy> looks nice in firefox though
[03-Jun-2007 18:55:35] <nassy> have you done any windows monitoring?
[03-Jun-2007 18:58:48] <davetoo> Not really
[03-Jun-2007 18:59:01] <davetoo> we've turned on SNMP on a few systems
[03-Jun-2007 18:59:07] <davetoo> but I'm really not a windows person
[03-Jun-2007 18:59:21] <davetoo> I'll have to get it figured out within a month or two
[03-Jun-2007 19:00:23] <nassy> i just don't have any luck. not even with a virtual machine
[03-Jun-2007 19:00:37] <nassy> i am getting errors no matter what i try to add
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:08] <nassy> performance monitor,
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:11] <nassy> alert
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:37] <nassy> always getting
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:40] <nassy> Type: BadRequest
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:40] <nassy> Value: ('Empty or invalid id specified', ['10.0.1.1', '10.0.1.1'])
[03-Jun-2007 19:02:11] <nassy> i can add devices manually
[03-Jun-2007 19:13:31] <nassy> hmm, when i try to run the traceroute command from the web page it says it can't find the command
[03-Jun-2007 19:14:13] <nassy> im not that familar with linux how do i install traceroute (i can only find traceroute6
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[03-Jun-2007 20:55:21] <|cyn|> hey all, i am running zenoss 1.1.1 and i want to get a report of service availability
[03-Jun-2007 20:55:40] <|cyn|> every service seems to show 100% even if it has been down for some time.
[03-Jun-2007 20:57:10] <|cyn|> does anyone know why this might be?
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[03-Jun-2007 21:21:20] <cluther_> |cyn|: Which report are you running?
[03-Jun-2007 21:22:51] <|cyn|> i am running the availability report under performance.
[03-Jun-2007 21:23:17] <|cyn|> this seems to default to 100.000% availability if it gets confused.
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[03-Jun-2007 21:51:18] <cluther_> The default state is available. So if it can't find any events matching the event class and component selected it will report 100% available.
[03-Jun-2007 21:51:30] <cluther_> What parameters are you requesting?
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[03-Jun-2007 22:00:48] <|cyn|> i am trying to check /status/ipservice for the period.
[03-Jun-2007 22:01:06] <|cyn|> actually, i just tried to upgrade the system to 1.1.2 (since this was available) and now i can't connect to the database.
[03-Jun-2007 22:03:36] <|cyn|> bugger...
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[03-Jun-2007 22:12:27] <|cyn|> ok, db problem fixed (username and password apparently), but reporting problem still there...
[03-Jun-2007 22:14:07] <cluther_> |cyn|: Can you find any /status/ipservice events during the defined time period >= error?
[03-Jun-2007 22:14:16] <|cyn|> If i down a service on a host, then enter this hostname under device, the service name under component and /status/ipservice under event class, it gives me 100% even though this service has been downed for at least an hour a couple of times today.
[03-Jun-2007 22:14:39] <cluther_> Do you get an event that it is down? Is the service set to be monitored?
[03-Jun-2007 22:14:57] <cluther_> The availability report is completely driven from events. Without an event it knows nothing.
[03-Jun-2007 22:15:48] <|cyn|> yeah, i get an event on the service.
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:01] <|cyn|> well, technically i get two. one that it is down, and one when it comes back up.
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:07] <cluther_> Ah, good. The event class on the event is set to /Status/IPService?
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:16] <|cyn|> good question.
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:24] <|cyn|> i will check that in the history...
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:28] <cluther_> Cool.. check the component too.
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:39] <|cyn|> yes it is...
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:53] <|cyn|> under history, i show a couple of events for /status/ipservice
[03-Jun-2007 22:17:05] <|cyn|> relating to that component (postgresql)
[03-Jun-2007 22:19:56] <cluther_> hmm.. that sounds like it should be working.
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[03-Jun-2007 22:22:21] <|cyn|> that's what i thought...
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[04-Jun-2007 01:31:23] <davetoo> ohhhhhhhh
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:24] <davetoo>
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:46] <davetoo> zFileSystemMapIgnoreTypes
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:46] <davetoo> lines
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:46] <davetoo> DO NOT USE
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:48] <davetoo> no wonder
[04-Jun-2007 01:32:14] <davetoo> that's unfortunate; I'd really like to ignore NFS mounts
[04-Jun-2007 01:35:29] <davetoo> but I understand why it says that; dunno yet if it's Linux/RedHat or NetSNMP but it's reporting NFS and local disks as the same type
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[04-Jun-2007 07:00:17] <knutin> Hi! I'm trying to install Zenoss on Mac Os 10.4. install.sh tells me I need a MySQL development environment installed. I have installed mysql-dev and mysql_config is on my path(http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/000672.html). What is the next step to solve this?
[04-Jun-2007 07:02:18] <nassy> knutin: i don't now but i too hope to install on mac os x. is it difficult overall to install
[04-Jun-2007 07:04:15] <knutin> Oh, I see the problem. In build-functions.sh, zenoss expects mysql_config --include to actually work, but with the mysql_config I have installed that returns a list of arguments mysql_config will take
[04-Jun-2007 07:05:29] <knutin> Any developers active?
[04-Jun-2007 07:06:52] <nassy> knutin: how did you install ms sql (macports?)
[04-Jun-2007 07:07:12] <knutin> I installed mYsql with fink
[04-Jun-2007 07:07:17] <knutin>
[04-Jun-2007 07:07:53] <knutin> oh, it's 4.1.10
[04-Jun-2007 07:07:59] <knutin> and zenoss needs 5, right?
[04-Jun-2007 07:09:38] <knutin> the packages provided by mysql.com doesn't work, the image is corrupt in some way.
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[04-Jun-2007 07:16:24] <nassy> yeah it needs 5
[04-Jun-2007 07:16:45] <nassy> think i saw someting about that in the faq
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[04-Jun-2007 13:04:10] <scrip> 456295141.3
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[04-Jun-2007 14:40:51] <davetoo> So does anybody know what the purpose of the OsProcess RRDTemplate is?
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[04-Jun-2007 17:07:20] <bob_> Hi
[04-Jun-2007 17:08:47] <bob_> I'm having a bit of a problem with the ZenOSS interfaces, anyone able to help?
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[04-Jun-2007 18:34:41] <andrew_p> i think this a known problem with nagios-plugins and i have resolved it two times in the past, but i can't recall how
[04-Jun-2007 18:34:47] <andrew_p> configuring build/nagios-plugins-1.4.5/Makefile
[04-Jun-2007 18:34:47] <andrew_p> gmake: *** [build/nagios-plugins-1.4.5/Makefile] Error 77
[04-Jun-2007 18:34:47] <andrew_p> ...
[04-Jun-2007 18:34:47] <andrew_p> in config.log: configure:2640: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[04-Jun-2007 18:49:32] <bzed> andrew_p: put the config.log form the nagios plugins in a pastebin or on some webspace
[04-Jun-2007 18:52:17] <andrew_p> bzed: http://rafb.net/p/gw7Dg480.html
[04-Jun-2007 18:52:24] <adytum-bot> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)
[04-Jun-2007 18:55:00] <bzed> do you need to install a libc6 development package probably?
[04-Jun-2007 18:55:09] <bzed> not sure what freebsd has for that
[04-Jun-2007 18:56:58] <andrew_p> bzed: i don't think so.. i get this problem every time i install zenoss (i was evaluating different versions of the same box) and after 5-10 attempts & guesses finally get it working without installing additional ports
ok, i will document the solution for myself this time once i have found it[04-Jun-2007 18:58:07] <bzed> well
[04-Jun-2007 18:58:20] <bzed> configure tries to link libld
[04-Jun-2007 18:58:28] <bzed> that's part of libc6
[04-Jun-2007 18:58:46] <bzed> not sure what freebsd usus as libc... never used it
[04-Jun-2007 18:59:04] <bzed> have a look into /lib if there's a libdl*
[04-Jun-2007 19:22:50] <andrew_p> bzed: thank you
[04-Jun-2007 19:25:49] <cluther_> andrew_p: You shouldn't need to link to libdl at all in FreeBSD.
[04-Jun-2007 19:26:02] <cluther_> Try taking -ldl off the end of the LIBS = line in the Makefile.
[04-Jun-2007 19:27:27] <bzed> there shouldn;t be a makefile, as it's created by configure
[04-Jun-2007 19:27:33] <cluther_> davetoo: Still around? The purpose of that template is to keep track of per-process values for [cpu,mem,count]
[04-Jun-2007 19:27:42] <bzed> configure should be able to figure out how to link it correcly
[04-Jun-2007 19:27:59] <cluther_> bzed: I agree, but sometimes should and does don't get along.
[04-Jun-2007 19:28:36] <bzed> yeah, but if it fails, there's no Makefile
[04-Jun-2007 19:28:42] <bzed> autoconf sucks
[04-Jun-2007 19:28:53] <cluther_> bzed: Bah.. I should go home.
[04-Jun-2007 19:30:12] <bzed> andrew_p: try --with-gnu-ld as option to configure
[04-Jun-2007 19:30:33] <bzed> probably it skips the check then
[04-Jun-2007 19:33:50] <andrew_p> bzed: --with-gnu-ld works, thank you. i will figure out where it needs to be added then
[04-Jun-2007 19:34:08] <bzed> try to buikd it first
[04-Jun-2007 19:34:25] <bzed> *build
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[04-Jun-2007 19:51:25] <davetoo> hi
[04-Jun-2007 19:51:38] <davetoo> (oh, he's gone)
[04-Jun-2007 19:54:02] <andrew_p> bzed: after doing configure --with-gnu-ld in nagios-plugins directory and then running build.sh zenoss was installed successfully. thank you
[04-Jun-2007 19:56:00] <bzed> fine
[04-Jun-2007 19:56:15] <bzed> if you ahve a minute, you should report that issue to the nagios developers
[04-Jun-2007 19:56:45] <andrew_p> bzed: ok, i will
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[05-Jun-2007 12:26:19] <scrip> hi, I'm using RPC::XML and getting this error: mismatched tag at line 22, column 10, byte 887 at /usr/share/perl5/RPC/XML/Client.pm line 345
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:38] <scrip> the code is:
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> my $dev = RPC::XML::Client->new("$url/zport/dmd/DeviceLoader");
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> my $req = RPC::XML::request->new("loadDevice",
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> RPC::XML::string->new($ip),
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> RPC::XML::string->new('/Network/VoIP_Endpoint')
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> );
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:45] <scrip> my $resp = $dev->send_request($req);
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[05-Jun-2007 13:11:19] <MikeConigliaro> guys, is there a way to monitor remote hosts (ie: hosts behind firewalls that i cant access directly) with zenoss?
[05-Jun-2007 13:11:24] <MikeConigliaro> right now, im using nrpe to do this
[05-Jun-2007 13:11:28] <MikeConigliaro> on nagios
[05-Jun-2007 13:12:21] <MikeConigliaro> im able to monitor several hosts with one agent using custom wmi/snmp checks that are executed on the nrpe host
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[05-Jun-2007 14:06:04] <scrip> hello everyone
[05-Jun-2007 14:06:24] <scrip> I've got several hundred devices on dynamic ip addresses that I need to monitor
[05-Jun-2007 14:06:47] <scrip> I've put together a bit of a hack that reads in all the device names and ips from the system they register to and then updates zenoss
[05-Jun-2007 14:07:02] <scrip> it uses REST requests to check if the device exists and then add it or update its ip
[05-Jun-2007 14:07:06] <scrip> is there a better way to do this?
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[05-Jun-2007 14:39:53] <enots> re. btw, why community.zenoss.com is not fixed? site error about 4 days.. zenoss still in buisness?
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[05-Jun-2007 15:17:29] <davetoo> hi
[05-Jun-2007 15:19:48] <davetoo> cluther: I saw your response here yesterday; what I'm asking is ... the OSProcesses template seems incomplete. The DataSources contain no SNMP OIDs.
[05-Jun-2007 15:19:59] <davetoo> Is it designed to be mixed-in with the Device template?
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[05-Jun-2007 15:21:40] <cluther> Not really. It is special in that the zenprocess daemon handles it specifically. Not the zenperfsnmp daemon that handles general OID collection.
[05-Jun-2007 15:23:11] <cluther> enots: The fellow that handles that is aware of it, but he's been really wrapped up getting ready for the 2.0 release. It should be fixed this week or next.
[05-Jun-2007 15:23:36] <davetoo> ok
[05-Jun-2007 15:26:57] <davetoo> But now I'm confused about monitoring specific processes to make sure they're running, vs. getting a running count (rrd) of number of processes running.
[05-Jun-2007 15:27:25] <davetoo> In /Processes I can configure certain process names to be watched for
[05-Jun-2007 15:28:38] <cluther> ok, anytime you monitor a process it automatically applies the OSProcess template to it, thus creating the "count" data source.
[05-Jun-2007 15:29:09] <cluther> You can define that a process should be monitored or not at the global level in /Processes, then override the default behavior per device if you wish.
[05-Jun-2007 15:30:09] <davetoo> OK, so if what I really want is a count of the number of all processes of any kind running on a machine, I should add that to the Devices template or some other mix-in, I guess.
[05-Jun-2007 15:30:42] <cluther> Exactly.
[05-Jun-2007 15:33:45] <Aziraphale> anyone know why the libsmi build is b0rked when building from source?
[05-Jun-2007 15:34:16] <Aziraphale> this log message makes no sense to me:
[05-Jun-2007 15:34:17] <Aziraphale> gmake[1]: Entering directory `/home/zenoss/zenoss-1.9.7/build/libsmi-0.4.5'
[05-Jun-2007 15:34:18] <Aziraphale> cannot create PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.4: No such file or directory
[05-Jun-2007 15:41:39] <Aziraphale> ah
[05-Jun-2007 15:42:05] <Aziraphale> in FreeBSD, /bin/sh is not the same as bash
[05-Jun-2007 15:42:12] <Aziraphale> stupid linuxisms
[05-Jun-2007 15:55:44] <wasabi> Hmm. In Ubuntu /bin/sh is not Bash.
[05-Jun-2007 15:55:48] <wasabi> So...
[05-Jun-2007 15:56:01] <wasabi> Hardly a linuxism. Purely a choice of default shell.
[05-Jun-2007 15:56:17] <wasabi> Oh, you're saying it's zenoss' fault.
[05-Jun-2007 15:56:20] <wasabi> Got it.
[05-Jun-2007 15:57:41] <davetoo> It's RedHat's fault
[05-Jun-2007 15:57:44] <bzed> in many linux installations is /bin/sh != a link to /bin/bash.
[05-Jun-2007 15:58:01] <davetoo> vim != vi dammit!
[05-Jun-2007 15:58:24] <Aziraphale> heh
[05-Jun-2007 15:58:26] <bzed> if there're any bashisms in the zenoss scripts... I guess they call for a bug report
[05-Jun-2007 15:58:55] <Aziraphale> some makefiles have SHELL=/bin/sh and break
[05-Jun-2007 15:59:28] <Aziraphale> it also appears that WMI expects 'swig' to exist which isn't mentioned in the install doc
[05-Jun-2007 16:01:09] <Aziraphale> is there a linux distro that *doesn't* link sh to bash?
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[05-Jun-2007 16:04:16] <bzed> Aziraphale: I think it's the default on many distributions, but you can easily change it to a proper shell, at leaaaast in debian
[05-Jun-2007 16:08:13] <Aziraphale> bzed: nothing wrong with bash, only if something assumes that shell=bash and then breaks
[05-Jun-2007 16:09:00] <Aziraphale> it looks like all that needs changing is the way the variable is exported, haven't found where that is though
[05-Jun-2007 16:09:41] <Aziraphale> ah, looks like it finished this time
[05-Jun-2007 16:10:39] <bzed> Aziraphale: do you have an example where it failed?
[05-Jun-2007 16:11:54] <monrad> any news on a release date?
[05-Jun-2007 16:13:26] <Aziraphale> bzed: hang on, I need to run an original install again
[05-Jun-2007 16:13:40] <Aziraphale> oh, new dashbord looks nice
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[05-Jun-2007 16:17:55] <Aziraphale> ah damn, can't do it on this box
[05-Jun-2007 16:18:47] <Aziraphale> bzed: this was the log message from libsmi:
[05-Jun-2007 16:18:49] <Aziraphale> gmake[1]: Entering directory bzed `/home/zenoss/zenoss-1.9.7/build/libsmi-0.4.5' chairuou_~
[05-Jun-2007 16:19:16] <Aziraphale> 20:34cannot create PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.4: No such file or directory
[05-Jun-2007 16:20:14] <bzed> hmm
[05-Jun-2007 16:20:19] <bzed> I'm wondering where the problem is there
[05-Jun-2007 16:20:39] <bzed> PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.4 work well in posh
[05-Jun-2007 16:24:53] <Aziraphale> maybe it tries to export PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.4 and that won't work in /bin/sh on FBSD
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[05-Jun-2007 16:30:34] <bzed> that would be... crazy
[05-Jun-2007 16:40:38] <wasabi> Aziraphale: Ubuntu does not link sh to bash
[05-Jun-2007 16:40:44] <wasabi> And that seems like a pretty large distro.
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[05-Jun-2007 16:54:13] <Aziraphale> wasabi: what does ubuntu use?
[05-Jun-2007 16:54:41] <wasabi> dash
[05-Jun-2007 16:54:42] <Aziraphale> bzed: slight syntax differences between the two. might be enough
[05-Jun-2007 16:54:55] <Aziraphale> hmm, never heard of that one...
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:14] <bzed> Description: The Debian Almquist Shell
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:14] <bzed> "dash" is a POSIX compliant shell that is much smaller than "bash".
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:14] <bzed> We take advantage of that by making it the shell on the installation
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:14] <bzed> root floppy, where space is at a premium.
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:23] <bzed> ubuntu is just using out good debian stuff
[05-Jun-2007 16:58:18] <Aziraphale> hmm, debian uses bash by default
[05-Jun-2007 16:58:31] <bzed> no
[05-Jun-2007 16:58:45] <bzed> you're asked IF you want to use bash as /bin/sh
[05-Jun-2007 16:58:56] <bzed> if your debconf level is low enough
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:16] <Aziraphale> is that problem with pynetsnmp fixed in the trunk?
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:19] <bzed> not sure what the default is, though
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:30] <bzed> which problem?
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:54] <Aziraphale> Daemon: zenprocess starting...
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:55] <Aziraphale> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:55] <Aziraphale> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/zenprocess.py", line 34, in ?
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:55] <Aziraphale> from pynetsnmp.twistedsnmp import AgentProxy
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:55] <Aziraphale> File "usr/local/zenoss/lib/python/pynetsnmp/twistedsnmp.py", line 1, in ?
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:57] <Aziraphale> File "usr/local/zenoss/lib/python/pynetsnmp/netsnmp.py", line 19, in ?
[05-Jun-2007 17:00:00] <Aziraphale> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/__init__.py", line 325, in __getattr__
[05-Jun-2007 17:00:02] <Aziraphale> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/__init__.py", line 330, in __getitem__
[05-Jun-2007 17:00:39] <Aziraphale> saw a post that recommended deleting $ZENHOME/lib/python/pynetsnmp to fall back onto the old system
[05-Jun-2007 17:00:54] <Aziraphale> that doesn't really work either, though
[05-Jun-2007 17:02:20] <bzed> hmm
[05-Jun-2007 17:02:32] <bzed> it's at least not in the debian package of pynetsnmp
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[05-Jun-2007 18:24:25] <Aziraphale> damn
[05-Jun-2007 18:24:32] <Aziraphale> can't get this to work
[05-Jun-2007 18:31:22] <cluther> Aziraphale: I lost the history of this, what seems to be the problem?
[05-Jun-2007 18:32:48] <Aziraphale> cluther: oh, it's that pynetsnmp problem
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[05-Jun-2007 18:33:19] <Aziraphale> if I get rid of pynetsnmp it falls back but can't do snmpwalks,
[05-Jun-2007 18:33:53] <bzed> from pynetsnmp.twistedsnmp import AgentProxy jsut works well here
[05-Jun-2007 18:34:36] <bzed> but I'm on debian with a packaged pynetsnmp
[05-Jun-2007 18:35:46] <Aziraphale> I get: I get a AttributeError: Undefined symbol "netsnmp_get_version"
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[05-Jun-2007 18:46:42] <bzed> Aziraphale: which version of netsnmp are you using?
[05-Jun-2007 18:47:00] <bzed> or is there a version installed on your system somewhere else?
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[05-Jun-2007 18:59:22] <Aziraphale> bzed: yeah, there is a ports version
[05-Jun-2007 19:00:25] <bzed> same as zenoss ships?
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[05-Jun-2007 19:01:09] <Aziraphale> net-snmp-5.3.1_2
[05-Jun-2007 19:04:41] <Aziraphale> I don't see one included in externallibs...
[05-Jun-2007 19:13:20] <bzed> hmm
[05-Jun-2007 19:13:39] <bzed> there was an api change between 5.2.3 and 5.3.1
[05-Jun-2007 19:13:59] <bzed> nbut I'm using 5.3.1 and it seems to work well
[05-Jun-2007 19:20:51] <Aziraphale> sod it. back to 1.1
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[06-Jun-2007 00:17:52] <davetoo> I need to learn python faster
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[06-Jun-2007 09:36:02] <davetoo> well that didn't work so well
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[06-Jun-2007 11:38:30] <Aziraphale> ah, I see there's been a change to pynetsnmp to make it run on FreeBSD
[06-Jun-2007 11:38:39] <Aziraphale> let's test that right away...
[06-Jun-2007 11:39:34] <davetoo> oh, it didn't?
[06-Jun-2007 11:40:41] <Aziraphale> nope
[06-Jun-2007 11:42:25] <Aziraphale> "undefined symbol: netsnmp_get_version"
[06-Jun-2007 11:48:01] <davetoo> I have a tough time getting $manager to allow me to use FreeBSD at work
[06-Jun-2007 11:48:40] <Aziraphale> that client this is for, is very happy with it
[06-Jun-2007 11:50:12] <Aziraphale> others prefer linux b/c they've never heard of FreeBSD...
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[06-Jun-2007 12:04:13] <davetoo> $manager is worried because only about three out of 30 of us grok FreeBSD
[06-Jun-2007 12:17:39] <Aziraphale> I've heard that argument
[06-Jun-2007 12:17:58] <Aziraphale> any linux head can learn FreeBSD quickly enough, I ought to know
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[06-Jun-2007 16:06:21] <Aziraphale> and so it works
[06-Jun-2007 16:06:46] <andrew_p> i made a clean install of zenoss-1.1.2 and zendisc now refuses to run.. this hasn't been the case previous time when i installed it. can anybody have a look - http://pastebin.ca/545585 ?
[06-Jun-2007 16:06:53] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - andrew_p - post number 545585 (at pastebin.ca)
[06-Jun-2007 16:07:22] <andrew_p> snmpd is running on this host and i can query it just ok from command like
[06-Jun-2007 16:08:01] <Aziraphale> I've had this problem - can't remember what fixed it though
[06-Jun-2007 16:08:10] <andrew_p> hehe, ok
[06-Jun-2007 16:08:14] <andrew_p> Aziraphale: thank you
[06-Jun-2007 16:09:33] <Aziraphale> do make sure the community strings match
[06-Jun-2007 16:11:12] <andrew_p> Aziraphale: do you remember how to specify the community string for auto-discovery?
[06-Jun-2007 16:18:12] <Aziraphale> andrew_p: in Devices/zProperties (IIRC) you can set a list of community strings
[06-Jun-2007 16:18:36] <Aziraphale> zSnmpCommunities is the Property
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[06-Jun-2007 16:31:08] <rch-3> It's my first time in this channel ... is it appropriate to ask about things I haven't been able to figure out with the admin guide?
[06-Jun-2007 16:39:50] <andrew_p> Aziraphale: it helped, thanks. i thought zendisc is using community string somehow hardcoded in SnmpClient.py
[06-Jun-2007 16:40:13] <andrew_p> rch-3: why not
[06-Jun-2007 16:40:21] <rch-3>
excellent[06-Jun-2007 16:44:14] <rch-3> So I have many machines all of which belong to the same class, and I have a service that is only present on some of them, I have managed to get that service (port 11211) added, and Zenoss has modeled it and sees that it is UP.
[06-Jun-2007 16:44:41] <rch-3> Now I would like to create Data Sources which refer to values available from this service, so I can track basic statistics about it on each machine.
[06-Jun-2007 16:44:48] <rch-3> Is that possible in any way?
[06-Jun-2007 16:45:20] <rch-3> (Obviously I can just create a Command Data Source - the problem is, the service is not present on every machine, so I would only want it to be run against machines that have this service, not every machine in the Class)
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[06-Jun-2007 18:11:08] <chipig> http://community.zenoss.com/docs/howtos/send-events/
[06-Jun-2007 18:11:08] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[06-Jun-2007 18:11:35] <chipig> I assume no one has written an atlernative to just XML-RPC for pushing events?
[06-Jun-2007 18:12:03] <chipig> also... is there a Zenoss irc bot like?
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[06-Jun-2007 18:42:29] <creiht> chipig: there should be docs on that page on how to send events rest style
[06-Jun-2007 18:42:37] <creiht> for example it is just a web request
[06-Jun-2007 18:44:39] <chipig> ya.. I see that.
[06-Jun-2007 18:45:13] <chipig> I guess it wouldn't be too hard to write my own damon in python.. which would receive events from a properitary system.
[06-Jun-2007 18:45:48] <creiht> How does the proprietary system send events?
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:01] <chipig> custom stuff over sockets.
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:04] <creiht> ahh
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:05] <creiht> hmm
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:16] <chipig> i have a swig binding into a C++ so i can call into it from python
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:26] <creiht> That sounds best
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:32] <creiht> just fyi
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:41] <creiht> the other ways that you can get events into zenoss are
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:44] <creiht> through syslog
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:51] <creiht> and snmp traps
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:02] <chipig> ya.. snmp traps would be the other way to consider.
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:17] <chipig> but then there is another dependency, another protocol change
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:23] <chipig> i like to keep those to a minimum
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:31] <creiht> makes sense
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:42] <creiht> xmlrpc in python is very easy
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:01] <creiht> actually xmlrpc in most dynamic languages is very easy
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:10] <chipig> xmlrpc more complicated than sprintf in C++ can be a bitch
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:15] <creiht> haha
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:16] <creiht> yeah
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:32] <creiht> xmlrpc in C++ or Java, or anything Microsoft for that matter is a pain
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:16] <creiht> chipig: One other option
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:23] <creiht> In the next version that is coming out
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:29] <creiht> They have this idea of Zenpacks
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:36] <creiht> That are plugins to zenoss
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:45] <creiht> I haven't had a chane to play with them much yet
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[06-Jun-2007 18:50:00] <creiht> But theoretically you could use those to create a custom collector in zenoss
[06-Jun-2007 18:50:05] * blowery *chirps*
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[06-Jun-2007 18:50:13] <creiht> that would receive the info from you proprietary system
[06-Jun-2007 18:50:17] <creiht> A bit more work
[06-Jun-2007 18:50:23] <creiht> But a bit more integrated
[06-Jun-2007 18:50:25] <chipig> that would be the prefered way, plugins that is.
[06-Jun-2007 18:51:35] <chipig> i have a question.. how well does zenoss work with like, lots of machines, with like 100+ monitors/device like things on them?
[06-Jun-2007 18:51:46] <chipig> performance stats seem.. sparse.
[06-Jun-2007 18:52:50] <creiht> chipig: 100+ should be fine
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[06-Jun-2007 18:53:03] <creiht> I have heard of several running 2000+
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:14] <chipig> 2000+ monitors? but like, how many machines?
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:18] <creiht> oh
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:21] <creiht> 2000+ machines
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:26] <chipig> ah
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:27] <chipig> okay
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:43] <chipig> i meant couple hundred machines with a hundred monitors each
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:45] <creiht> chipig: define sparse?
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:47] <creiht> ahhh
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:48] <creiht> hehe
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:50] <creiht> hrmm
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:54] <creiht> what type of monitors?
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:58] <chipig> creiht: well, google doesn't turn up much, and the website doesn't ahve an example
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:59] <creiht> all snmp?
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:14] <chipig> creiht: propeirtary push plugin if its faster :-)
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:21] <creiht> I see
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:35] <creiht> That's a good question
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:42] <chipig> just like, what ends up hurting most, the sql db?
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:44] <creiht> I would post to the list and see what you get
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:54] <chipig> cus I'm happy to hack on a mysql perofrmance problem :-)
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:58] <creiht> I've been out of the loop a bit
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:02] <creiht> But last I saw
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:02] <chipig> ah
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:14] <creiht> writing RRD files is probably the biggest limit
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:22] <creiht> MySQL only handles events
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:32] <chipig> ya. I've seen RRD kill monitoring systems before
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:56] <creiht> After RRD I think the amount of time it takes to collect snmp data
[06-Jun-2007 18:56:11] <creiht> I do know that performance is one of their priorities right now
[06-Jun-2007 18:56:19] <creiht> So they are working on a lot of those things
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:06] <creiht> And RRD can scale fairly well set up correctly
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:28] <chipig> well, the data files can.
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:33] <chipig> but try generating graphs
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:38] <creiht> I've seen other monitoring systems monitor 50K devices with I think 250K data points on one system connected to a SAN
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:47] <chipig> san--
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:55] <creiht> Though that was pushing it a bit
[06-Jun-2007 18:58:10] * chipig is the fan of all 1u machines, distributed systems, etc
[06-Jun-2007 18:58:48] <creiht> just an example
[06-Jun-2007 18:59:37] <creiht> I currently monitor about 10k devices with another systems on a basic 1u machine
[06-Jun-2007 18:59:55] <creiht> that is RRD based
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:03] <creiht> anyways
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:07] <creiht> I'm off to home
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:11] <creiht> everyone have a great evening
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:12] <chipig> thanks for the help
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:14] <creiht> np
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:17] <creiht> good luck!
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[06-Jun-2007 19:45:14] <tessier__> argh....upgrading to F7 upgraded my python to 2.5 and now all of the things in zenoss with python2.4 binary hardcoded in are broken.
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[06-Jun-2007 20:08:30] <Snake-Eyes> i had a few things i had to fix when upgrading from sarge to etch
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[06-Jun-2007 20:23:10] <sclark46> hello - i am trying out 1.97 beta 2 - but can't figure out how to do modeling using portscan or ssh
[06-Jun-2007 20:24:33] <sclark46> the admin docs refer to zCollectorIgnorePlugins which I can't seem to locate
[06-Jun-2007 20:26:40] <sclark46> or zTransportPreference
[06-Jun-2007 20:32:22] <rch-3> hi sclark46 - I am a newbie but I was able to do modelling using bin/zenmodeler run -F
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[06-Jun-2007 21:51:15] <sclark46> hi rch-3 , did u use snmp or ssh or portscan
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[07-Jun-2007 08:41:08] <Tino> Hello
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[07-Jun-2007 11:04:25] <moredakka> hallo, anyone alive in here?
[07-Jun-2007 11:09:05] <moredakka> Hmmm
[07-Jun-2007 11:10:48] <moredakka> guess not
[07-Jun-2007 11:13:05] <moredakka> Well if anyone jumps on, I'm hoping that someone can help me figure out why zenping is always failing heartbeats and not responding (or pinging anything for that matter)
[07-Jun-2007 11:16:52] <moredakka> zenping hasn't written anything to the zenping.log file for 16 minutes now. What can cause the process to hang like this?
[07-Jun-2007 11:17:37] <moredakka> I've tried restarting zenping but all zenping does on restart is re-scan the network tree but doesn't actually ping anything.
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[07-Jun-2007 11:22:21] <moredakka> If I run it manually I get about 1/2 of the devices show "2007-06-07 09:22:05 DEBUG zen.Ping: unexpected pkt 10.10.10.123 <ICMP packet 8 0 31185 0>
[07-Jun-2007 11:25:08] <Aziraphale> moredakka: might be icmp unreachables
[07-Jun-2007 11:26:47] <moredakka> I'm able to manually ping the devices from the manage tab.
[07-Jun-2007 11:27:04] <moredakka> (thanks for the reply, my hair is starting to fall out due to stress)
[07-Jun-2007 11:35:57] <moredakka> I only get that if I manually run 'zenping run -v 10' it then seems to be stuck running, doesn't actually end the process. The zenping process that is automatically being run just doesn't do anything, scans the topology then just sits there...
[07-Jun-2007 11:38:32] <Aziraphale> is that 2-BETA?
[07-Jun-2007 11:39:45] <moredakka> Nope, 1.1.1
[07-Jun-2007 11:40:30] <moredakka> the only thing that I haven't really tried is to reboot the entire server.
[07-Jun-2007 11:45:00] <Aziraphale> this looks like your problem: http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2007/003097.html
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[07-Jun-2007 11:50:56] <moredakka> Hmmm....that fix "icmppkt = icmp.Packet(ipreply.data, 0)" fix is already in my AsyncPing.py
[07-Jun-2007 11:53:16] <moredakka> I did find that line was missing the ", 0" in Ping.py so I adjusted that but doesn't seem to have made a difference.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:02:32] <mouseclone> hello everyone
[07-Jun-2007 12:02:46] <moredakka> hey
[07-Jun-2007 12:02:53] <moredakka> <-- freaking out.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:03:22] <mouseclone> I don't want to sir up a really big conversation but was wondering what the major differences between Nagios and Zenoss were?
[07-Jun-2007 12:04:22] <moredakka> Nagios is better at pinging (zenping isn't working for me at all right now but Nagios is working no problem). Nagios sucks at snmp.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:05:19] <mouseclone> so you are running both?
[07-Jun-2007 12:07:06] <moredakka> We were using Nagios (before I started here) and started moving everything to Zenoss cause of the snmp factor. But in my opinion right now zenoss is creating a lot of stress for me because zenping isn't doing anything and there aren't many people around right now that will/can help and I haven't received a response in the forum for about a week now with this problem.
[07-Jun-2007 12:07:30] <moredakka> Now I'm in an extreme rush to find out why zenping is being ghey before I leave for vacation....
[07-Jun-2007 12:08:44] <moredakka> sorry, my opinion on zenoss is not very good. My boss is even considering a non open source program because this is critical stuff that isn't being monitored right now.
[07-Jun-2007 12:09:01] <mouseclone> are you running the beta of 2.0 what is it right now 1.97 or something like that
[07-Jun-2007 12:09:46] <mouseclone> All I have ran was the VMware. I have yet to do a server install
[07-Jun-2007 12:09:56] <Aziraphale> atually, I'd give v2 a go, it's largely rewritten
[07-Jun-2007 12:10:31] <mouseclone> well I have been waiting on the release of it for the server install.. I was impressed with the VMware for the beta
[07-Jun-2007 12:10:55] <moredakka> I'm running 1.1.1
[07-Jun-2007 12:11:01] <mouseclone> and once the community get some "zenpacks" out there will be easier i would think
[07-Jun-2007 12:11:38] <Aziraphale> moredakka: what are you running it *on*, btw?
[07-Jun-2007 12:11:44] <moredakka> FC5
[07-Jun-2007 12:12:04] <mouseclone> moredakka: Your only problem with Zenoss is the zenping right now, and that is just getting a ping responce fromt he server, correct?
[07-Jun-2007 12:12:26] <moredakka> Yeah it pings all the devices every 60 seconds
[07-Jun-2007 12:12:27] <Aziraphale> as I understand it it's mis-parsing the ICMP replies
[07-Jun-2007 12:13:35] <moredakka> Aziraphale - I only get responses from zenping (eg - INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 71 jobs in 0.17 seconds) if I run it manually. If I restart zenping and watch the logs nothing happens
[07-Jun-2007 12:13:35] <mouseclone> an you don't like nagios because the snmp trapping is not as good? is it hard to add your own mibs and oids to Nagios?
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[07-Jun-2007 12:13:49] <amonfils> hola.
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:07] <amonfils> OSError: /usr/local/lib/libnetsnmp.so: Undefined symbol "EVP_DigestInit"
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:19] <amonfils> libnetsnmp built with --with-openssl
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:20] <moredakka> It wasn't my call on the Nagios. I haven't had much time to work with it, it's an ugly interface and I don't think there is much snmp setup that can be done with it.
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:36] <mouseclone> kk
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:38] <amonfils> nagios is difficult but capable.
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:11] <amonfils> new version 3 looks hotty for event type stuff. data collection (graphing!) is still in it's infancy unless you get a prepackaged solution.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:15:32] <moredakka> amonfils, maybe you can help me with my zenping issue.
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:36] <moredakka> it's not doing anything.
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:43] <amonfils> now back to my issue. freebsd 5.5 and 6.2 exhibit same issue.
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:52] <amonfils> applied the freebsd 6.2 find_library hack/patch
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:55] <mouseclone> afk a bit
[07-Jun-2007 12:16:16] <amonfils> moredakka, haven't gotten far enough into zenoss to incorporate nagios stuffs
[07-Jun-2007 12:16:32] <amonfils> running fine in vmware instance (the pre-built)
[07-Jun-2007 12:16:33] <moredakka> I'm not too worried about that, I just want zenping to monitor my devices.
[07-Jun-2007 12:16:49] <amonfils> zenping requires zensocket, yes?
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:19] <moredakka> ?? I'm not sure.
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:32] <amonfils> i'm speaking in regards to zenoss 2.0
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:35] <amonfils> not wasting time with 1.x
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:56] <moredakka> Hmm.....great.
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:56] <amonfils> (1.9.7) ... beta i know, but third or fourth iteration.
[07-Jun-2007 12:18:34] <amonfils> what do you get from the zenping.log
[07-Jun-2007 12:18:54] <moredakka> Just the building of the tree then nothing.
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:15] <amonfils> i have yet to work with zenping to be honest. so i'm merely grasping here.
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:23] <amonfils> i was hoping to get some information in regards to my issue; but alas not to be.
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:28] <moredakka> I restarted zenping 27 minutes ago and it hasn't generated anything in the logs....
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:35] <moredakka> Yeah, not many people in here.
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:54] <moredakka> hasn't generated anything other than the tree generation.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:21:38] <amonfils> for what it's worth
[07-Jun-2007 12:21:43] <amonfils> i just fired it up in my vmware version
[07-Jun-2007 12:21:57] <amonfils> warnings about networks not in the topology\
[07-Jun-2007 12:22:48] <amonfils> look at that, zenping ran just fine.
[07-Jun-2007 12:22:58] <moredakka> Yeah I get lots of those but if you have it sit there for 60+ seconds it should generate "INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 71 jobs in 0.17 seconds" or something like that.
[07-Jun-2007 12:23:14] <amonfils> yup, mine is.
[07-Jun-2007 12:23:22] <moredakka> I can run zenping manually no problem but it seems that it's not being run automatically. Mine isn't generating that
[07-Jun-2007 12:23:23] <amonfils> a whole .04 seconds!
[07-Jun-2007 12:23:29] <moredakka> heh
[07-Jun-2007 12:24:23] <amonfils> i am clueless to your issue. mine seems to be pinging just fine. in regards to starting in manually, i suspect you need to chown root:root (or root:wheel for fbsd) to zensocket and then chmod u+s zensocket
[07-Jun-2007 12:24:30] <amonfils> (this is for 1.9.7 aka 2.0beta)
[07-Jun-2007 12:24:47] <amonfils> then it should start auto as well.
[07-Jun-2007 12:26:43] <moredakka> Mine was pinging just fine until I wanted to test to make sure it was working properly....blocked all outgoing icmp packets at the firewall from the server and zenping just broke and hasn't come back from the dead.
[07-Jun-2007 12:27:00] <moredakka> but thanks for trying :-.
[07-Jun-2007 12:27:37] <amonfils> how would blocking icmps at a firewall impact a running process? that's one helluva bug
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:20] <Aziraphale> amonfils: this fixes it: http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/changeset/5668 Last line in the install file
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Changeset 5668 - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:48] <Aziraphale> amonfils: the EVT_Digest_Init issue
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:52] <amonfils> sadf;ljasl;fjsdf
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:53] <amonfils> thakns.
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:57] <amonfils> geezus h keerist.
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:13] <amonfils> and i have been scouring the svn
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:14] <amonfils> asl;jkfsd
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:34] <Aziraphale> amonfils: what can I say, being the one who reported the bug
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:46] <Aziraphale> almost drove me to drug abuse
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:56] <amonfils> hahaha glad i'm not the only one
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:03] <amonfils> i've been objdump'ing and nm'ing files
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:13] <amonfils> looking at shared libraries and statics
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:15] <amonfils> grumble.
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:37] <amonfils> my failure is lack of python knowledge
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:39] <Aziraphale> yep. BTDT
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:44] <Aziraphale> ditto
[07-Jun-2007 12:33:00] <amonfils> hehe i worked around the nagios thing slightly more brute-forceish
[07-Jun-2007 12:33:26] <moredakka> weird
[07-Jun-2007 12:33:33] <moredakka> looks like zenping was stuck in a loop
[07-Jun-2007 12:35:00] <moredakka> with this in the debug log file "DEBUG zen.Ping: unexpected pkt 10.0.4.13 <ICMP packet 0 0 5748 0>".
[07-Jun-2007 12:35:56] <moredakka> cause if I ran zenping manually it would just keep running until I cancelled it. But I removed the rule on the firewall to block icmp packets from the zenoss box and it works now.
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:21] <amonfils> KUDOS TO YOU AZIRAPHALE
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:30] <Aziraphale> tsk, tsk. blocking icmp is baaad, mmmhkay?
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:33] <amonfils> also, slight change
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:34] <amonfils> export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libcrypto.so
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:36] <amonfils> export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libcrypto.so
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:38] <amonfils> erps.
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:47] <amonfils> it's a sym link to the proper library in /lib
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:54] <amonfils> seeing as fbsd versions every !#$!@#$ library
[07-Jun-2007 12:37:09] <Aziraphale> yup, thought so, too
[07-Jun-2007 12:37:28] <Aziraphale> couldn't be arsed to file it last night, though
[07-Jun-2007 12:37:34] <amonfils> no worries.
[07-Jun-2007 12:38:09] <moredakka> Aziraphale, if I block icmp packets from the zenoss box, shouldn't zenoss generate errors for all the devices that are beyond the firewall?
[07-Jun-2007 12:38:38] <amonfils> no, because it'll return something other than 'timeout' more than likely
[07-Jun-2007 12:38:43] <Aziraphale> moredakka: depends on the blocking rule but, theoretically, yes
[07-Jun-2007 12:38:58] <amonfils> !X != timeout
[07-Jun-2007 12:39:20] <moredakka> well I think it should have generated an error rather than putting zenping into an endless loop
[07-Jun-2007 12:39:34] <amonfils> unexpected response and unhandled in code
[07-Jun-2007 12:39:35] <Aziraphale> if it DROPs it should timeout, if it REJECTs, not
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:00] <amonfils> fix it moredakka and file a buggy!
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:02] <Aziraphale> the REJECT might be the one that gets misparsed, similar to my UNREACH
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:10] <moredakka> bah :-/ least I know what the problem is....grrrr.....
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:13] <moredakka> haha
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:24] <moredakka> if I touch any of the files I'm sure the system will light on fire.
[07-Jun-2007 12:41:21] <amonfils> so the real question about this libcrypto thing
[07-Jun-2007 12:41:30] <amonfils> is why if we are preloading it in netsnmp.py
[07-Jun-2007 12:41:35] <amonfils> when is it not getting globally registered!
[07-Jun-2007 12:41:47] <amonfils> again, lack of clue.
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:17] <amonfils> i suspect the cause lies here crypto = CDLL(find_library('crypto'), RTLD_GLOBAL)
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:26] <Aziraphale> dunno either. they made some changes to that code last night, though
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:33] <amonfils> yes searched the svn
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:35] <amonfils> no help
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:38] <amonfils> your fix was spot on
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:58] <Aziraphale> I didn't come up with it
[07-Jun-2007 12:43:39] <amonfils> oh.
[07-Jun-2007 12:43:45] <amonfils> well, kudos anyway for pointing it out
[07-Jun-2007 12:43:56] <Aziraphale> just filed the bug - I think the credit belongs to Eric
[07-Jun-2007 12:45:02] <Aziraphale> shoul find the time to learn Python, really
[07-Jun-2007 12:45:19] <amonfils> yes and add it to the ever increasing stack of crap to know
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[07-Jun-2007 12:55:32] <mouseclone> back
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:07] <mouseclone> have any of yall intergrated speex with zenoss for anouncing events?
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:23] <Aziraphale> der bob, no
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:26] <amonfils> "ya fookin bloke, your router is down!"
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:30] <Aziraphale> dear, even
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:45] <Aziraphale> last thing i need is the damn thing shouting at me
[07-Jun-2007 12:58:47] <amonfils> dear networking community
[07-Jun-2007 12:58:53] <amonfils> please come up with something better than snmp
[07-Jun-2007 12:58:54] <amonfils> thanks,
[07-Jun-2007 12:58:55] <amonfils> aaron
[07-Jun-2007 13:06:36] <amonfils> ps
[07-Jun-2007 13:06:37] <amonfils> netflow isn't it
[07-Jun-2007 13:06:51] <mouseclone> not sure if there will ever be another protol call that is as main stream as snmp
[07-Jun-2007 13:07:11] <amonfils> cisco's SAA is a start
[07-Jun-2007 13:07:17] <amonfils> it should be generated by the device itself
[07-Jun-2007 13:07:27] <mouseclone> I saw that. It is nice. but it is for Cisco
[07-Jun-2007 13:07:33] <amonfils> so was netflow at one time...
[07-Jun-2007 13:08:08] <mouseclone> mibs are not bad just a lot to rember
[07-Jun-2007 13:08:18] <mouseclone> and they are not all consistant across the board.
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:26] <moredakka> Hey since you two are quite smart, zenping (the bain of my existance) has generated this in the logs
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:27] <moredakka> ERROR zen.Ping: receiving packet error: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:27] <moredakka> Traceback (most recent call last):
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:49] <amonfils> sounds like it's a null variable
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:55] <moredakka> ERROR zen.Ping: receiving packet error: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:59] <moredakka> gah
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:03] <moredakka> not doing well here with the pasting
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:07] <amonfils> and for the record; not smart, just terribly dangerous because i know just enough to be dangerous
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:28] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 152, in recvPackets
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:29] <moredakka> self.pingJobSucceed(self.jobqueue[sip])
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:42] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 184, in pingJobSucceed
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:42] <moredakka> self.reportPingJob(pj)
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:46] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 205, in reportPingJob
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:46] <moredakka> pj.deferred.callback(pj)
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:51] <moredakka> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:11:05] <moredakka> Do you know how I can fix that?
[07-Jun-2007 13:11:28] <amonfils> my clue here is 'Nonetype'
[07-Jun-2007 13:11:40] <amonfils> my guess is that is the same as "null"
[07-Jun-2007 13:11:48] <amonfils> a null object having a callback sounds suspect to me
[07-Jun-2007 13:12:47] <moredakka> What can I do about it?
[07-Jun-2007 13:12:54] <amonfils> are you still blocking ICMP pings?
[07-Jun-2007 13:12:57] <moredakka> nope
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[07-Jun-2007 13:13:15] <moredakka> this error randomly appears in the logs.
[07-Jun-2007 13:13:33] <mouseclone> what device/server OS are you trying to reach?
[07-Jun-2007 13:13:42] <moredakka> I also get WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet every once in a while.
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[07-Jun-2007 13:13:53] <moredakka> I'm not sure what device that is that is causing the problem.
[07-Jun-2007 13:14:37] <moredakka> guess I could systematically disable ping monitoring on each device until that error stops coming up.
[07-Jun-2007 13:15:19] <mouseclone> If you have window servers in your list I would kill them first. Could be a firewall on the local server. I have not seen a server with the XP firewall but it you did an auto discovery then you woul dhave xp or vista if you have M$ OSs
[07-Jun-2007 13:17:12] <moredakka> alright, so stopping monitoring each one individually for 5 minutes is really the only way to figure out which one is causing the problem....I'm going to try -v 10 on zenping
[07-Jun-2007 13:19:05] <moredakka> would this be the packet? DEBUG zen.Ping: unexpected pkt 10.10.10.123 <ICMP packet 8 0 15601 0>
[07-Jun-2007 13:19:55] <moredakka> it's weird cause I get a success after that
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[07-Jun-2007 13:21:03] <moredakka> cluther, r u here now?
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[07-Jun-2007 13:24:07] <moredakka> guess now
[07-Jun-2007 13:24:15] <moredakka> not
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[07-Jun-2007 13:35:34] <cluther> moredakka: Just got back from lunch. What version are you running?
[07-Jun-2007 13:38:01] <moredakka> 1.1.1
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[07-Jun-2007 13:39:12] <moredakka> Also, I posted a possible bug in the forums. I'm not sure if it is a bug or something worked into the software but when you have a chance if you wouldn't mind looking at it ;-)
[07-Jun-2007 13:41:11] <cluther> moredakka: I think the ping thing is a bug that was present in 1.1.1. 1.1.2 and later handle bad and unexpected ping responses more graceully.
[07-Jun-2007 13:43:05] <moredakka> ah, cool. So once 2.0 goes live I'll have to make sure to get that running on here to deal with these small problems.
[07-Jun-2007 13:43:26] <moredakka> While I have your attention here, is there anything that can be done in 1.1.1 about the zenping heartbeat failure?
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:10] <amonfils> upgrade to 2.0
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:16] <moredakka> haha
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:22] <moredakka> well doesn't that fix everything ;-)
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:33] <moredakka> will the upgrade from 1.1.1 -> 2.0 be painful?
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:52] <amonfils> beats me. i started with 2.0 fresh; early adopter! cutting edge! (and bleeding all over my keyboard)
[07-Jun-2007 13:45:01] <moredakka> haha
[07-Jun-2007 13:45:09] <moredakka> I'm not a huge fan of beta in production
[07-Jun-2007 13:45:25] <amonfils> how much T train code do you have?
[07-Jun-2007 13:45:31] <amonfils> (assuming ios)
[07-Jun-2007 13:46:23] <cluther> moredakka: Sorry I've been mostly unresponsive as of late. I'm quite swamped.
[07-Jun-2007 13:46:41] <moredakka> T train? Since I'm a)linux newb and b)zenoss newb I'm not sure what you're talking about
[07-Jun-2007 13:46:48] <amonfils> oh ok
[07-Jun-2007 13:46:54] <cluther> moredakka: The zenping problem is likely due to zenping reloading its configuration every 20 minutes and taking too long to build the pingtree (layer 3 topology map.)
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:01] <amonfils> nevermind then.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:13] <amonfils> i need beer.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:20] <cluther> moredakka: Go to the Edit tab of your status monitor and set the config reload cycle to 1440 minutes or something much longer than 20 minutes.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:32] <moredakka> cluther - This is volunteer work and I can't expect an imediate answer all the time.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:50] <cluther> moredakka: Also, the upgrade from 1.x to 2.0 is mostly painless. The online instructions for it work quite well.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:58] <moredakka> cool. can't wait for gold.
[07-Jun-2007 13:48:05] <cluther> moredakka: You won't have to wait long.
[07-Jun-2007 13:48:14] <moredakka> yeah heard something about this week?
[07-Jun-2007 13:48:30] <cluther> Pushed until next week.
[07-Jun-2007 13:48:58] <moredakka> Ah...well making something properly rather than quickly makes more sense ;-)
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:13] <cluther> Both is best. =}
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:19] <amonfils> cheap fast good
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:20] <amonfils> pick two
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:27] <cluther> fast and good please.
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:31] <moredakka> haha
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:38] <amonfils> then not cheap!
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:58] <moredakka> cluther, thanks for your help. Most of my issues have been pebkac issues
[07-Jun-2007 13:50:12] <amonfils> id10t errors
[07-Jun-2007 13:50:20] <amonfils> know them well1
[07-Jun-2007 13:50:20] <moredakka> yeah those too
[07-Jun-2007 13:50:27] <cluther> moredakka: Happens to us all..
[07-Jun-2007 13:51:14] <moredakka> ha true true. some much much much fewer than others
[07-Jun-2007 13:51:50] <moredakka> Oh had another thing that was a problem, maybe you'll be able to shed some light on.
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:10] <moredakka> ERROR zen.Ping: receiving packet error: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:15] <moredakka> Traceback (most recent call last):
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:22] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 152, in recvPackets
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:27] <moredakka> self.pingJobSucceed(self.jobqueue[sip])
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:31] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 184, in pingJobSucceed
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:34] <moredakka> self.reportPingJob(pj)
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:45] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 205, in reportPingJob
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:49] <moredakka> pj.deferred.callback(pj)
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:53] <moredakka> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:53:05] <moredakka> That happens randomly in the zenping log.
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[07-Jun-2007 15:23:29] <moredakka> anyone here?
[07-Jun-2007 15:29:33] <moredakka>
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[07-Jun-2007 15:52:10] <moredakka> anyone here?
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[07-Jun-2007 16:03:39] <moredakka> anyone here?
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[07-Jun-2007 22:25:03] <irc> hey there
[07-Jun-2007 22:25:14] <irc> can someone help me with a quick question
[07-Jun-2007 22:25:39] <irc> getting the following error
[07-Jun-2007 22:28:10] <irc> unable to find the "patch" program
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[07-Jun-2007 22:43:20] <irc> hey chair
[07-Jun-2007 22:43:26] <irc> hows it going
[07-Jun-2007 22:49:39] <irc> anyone know what ubuntu package owns mysql_config
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[07-Jun-2007 22:59:59] <irc> anyone have advice on this error
[07-Jun-2007 23:00:00] <irc> unable to find the "patch" program
[07-Jun-2007 23:01:04] <irc> fixed it
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[08-Jun-2007 01:27:44] <davetoo> Feh. It's too bad net-snmp reports NFS mounts as physical disks, the same as local drives
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[08-Jun-2007 05:49:17] <foreigNer> hi I just downloaded the 1.9.7 vmware and started her up but unlike the 1.1.1 vmware this one is having some problems ... zenping and other services are down and are not up and running
[08-Jun-2007 05:49:38] <foreigNer> I tried starting them but the don't just start ...
[08-Jun-2007 05:49:48] <foreigNer> anyone any idea ??
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[08-Jun-2007 05:54:04] <foreigNer> hmmm
[08-Jun-2007 05:54:12] <foreigNer> anyone even here ??
[08-Jun-2007 05:54:38] <foreigNer> german ?? English ?? french ??
[08-Jun-2007 05:55:19] <foreigNer> thanks anyway
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[08-Jun-2007 06:29:26] <GSN> Anyone here sucessfully imported any Juniper mibs? In particualr Netscreen Mibs ?
[08-Jun-2007 06:31:37] <Aziraphale> not netscreen but the router ones
[08-Jun-2007 06:37:45] <GSN> i keep getting errors about loading files so i edited the mibs to contain /dir/dir/dir/xx.mib for the includes etc but now i get this error
[08-Jun-2007 06:37:58] <GSN> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Failed to load mib: /opt/zenoss/share/mibs/site/NS-TRAPS.mib
[08-Jun-2007 06:37:58] <GSN> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Error: sh: smidump: command not found
[08-Jun-2007 06:41:05] <GSN> any ideas ?
[08-Jun-2007 06:45:18] <Aziraphale> zenmib run mib1 mib2 mib3 etc
[08-Jun-2007 06:45:46] <GSN> produces the same resaults
[08-Jun-2007 06:46:22] <GSN> ive just looked in my config files there al empty including zenmib.conf and zenmib.conf.example where do i find what to put in the conf files ?
[08-Jun-2007 06:52:42] <GSN> ?
[08-Jun-2007 06:57:57] <GSN> i isntalled from source
[08-Jun-2007 07:05:56] <GSN> ok so any ideas about the mib problem ?
[08-Jun-2007 07:08:32] <GSN> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Error: sh: smidump: command not found <-- this is oviously the problem but it is installed in bin becuase i can run it and $ZENPATH is set
[08-Jun-2007 07:12:03] <GSN> can someone paste there zenmib.conf file ?
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[08-Jun-2007 07:30:00] <GSN> anyone?
[08-Jun-2007 08:06:42] <GSN> ok had to add PATH var to .bash_profile
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[08-Jun-2007 09:37:08] <GSN> is there a good tutorial on how to graph interface stats ?
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[08-Jun-2007 10:29:29] <flip> hey all -- anyone around?
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[08-Jun-2007 11:13:44] <oggei> hi
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[08-Jun-2007 11:32:04] <oggei> are someone using twisted interface to zenoss net-snmp ctypes wrapper ? Little luck getting it to work at all, and no docs
[08-Jun-2007 11:37:31] <oggei> wth, it was a basic error in proxy instantiation, i'll fill a bug for that
[08-Jun-2007 11:37:37] <oggei> cya
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[08-Jun-2007 15:03:03] <s> question
[08-Jun-2007 15:03:13] <s> how do I send alerts for high load?
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[08-Jun-2007 15:16:45] <Keizer> Hey guys
[08-Jun-2007 15:16:52] <s> heya
[08-Jun-2007 15:17:14] <Keizer> Having some trouble with Zenoss. It's having gaps in the graphs
[08-Jun-2007 15:17:22] <Keizer> But it's always reading current throughput
[08-Jun-2007 15:17:45] <s> hmm. Im pretty new to the tool. Havent run into that
[08-Jun-2007 15:17:59] <s> I just know the basics
[08-Jun-2007 15:18:53] <Keizer> Are you using Gigabit ports?
[08-Jun-2007 15:19:30] <s> yeah , I my switch is gige
[08-Jun-2007 15:19:37] <s> I saw something about that
[08-Jun-2007 15:22:10] <Keizer> Succotash
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[08-Jun-2007 16:30:38] <Keizer> What does Bind Templates mean? I'm trying to switch my CISCO device over to 64bit reading
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[08-Jun-2007 18:36:05] <monrad> nice 2.0 is tagged in svn
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[09-Jun-2007 06:42:00] <giesen> I upgraded zenoss and seem to have lost all the standard mibs
[09-Jun-2007 06:42:05] <giesen> how do I get them back
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[09-Jun-2007 11:06:50] <giesen> anyone?
[09-Jun-2007 11:06:54] <giesen> I upgraded zenoss and seem to have lost all the standard mibs
[09-Jun-2007 11:06:57] <giesen> how do I get them back?
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[09-Jun-2007 14:33:58] <[swb]> hello all, I have a quick question
[09-Jun-2007 14:34:37] <[swb]> is it possible to get zenoss to perform custom actions (preferably run some kind of scripts) when certain alerts are triggered
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[10-Jun-2007 08:45:45] <fulgas> is there a ebuild for zenoss?
[10-Jun-2007 08:46:25] <monrad> nope
[10-Jun-2007 08:48:14] <fulgas> ok thk
[10-Jun-2007 08:48:15] <fulgas>
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[10-Jun-2007 17:44:05] <densone> hey guys, hows it going today ?
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[10-Jun-2007 18:05:57] <nassy> no matter what i try to add to zenoss (user, device, status or performance monitor) i get an error message. i am using 1.9.7 beta virtual machine.
[10-Jun-2007 18:06:16] <nassy> does the vm not allow you to add anything?
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[10-Jun-2007 18:07:31] <nassy> a specific example of an error when i try to add a user: username with email username@company.com is TypeError with value Value: hasattr(): attribute name must be string
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[11-Jun-2007 08:50:27] <IceGuest_7> Can you monitor a windows 2000 system with Zenoss 2.0?
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[11-Jun-2007 10:33:00] <AModlin> ok
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[11-Jun-2007 10:38:51] <spike> hi
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[11-Jun-2007 10:50:32] <josh__> hey guys.. what tells zenoss to upgrade vs a clean install?.. im trying to do a clean install of 2.0, but when running zenoss start, it tries to upgrade
[11-Jun-2007 10:55:48] <josh__> hm found it.
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[11-Jun-2007 11:08:25] <deny[all]> hi
[11-Jun-2007 11:08:37] <deny[all]> someone alive?
[11-Jun-2007 11:09:19] <giesen> man
[11-Jun-2007 11:09:22] <giesen> I knew that was coming
[11-Jun-2007 11:09:27] <giesen> as soon as they renamed it zenoss core
[11-Jun-2007 11:09:37] <giesen> I knew there was a pay version with more features coming
[11-Jun-2007 11:10:23] <creiht> giesen: They have been pretty open about that from the beginning
[11-Jun-2007 11:10:43] <creiht> That eventually there would be a pay version with extra functionality
[11-Jun-2007 11:11:13] <giesen> yeah
[11-Jun-2007 11:11:25] <giesen> I was just hoping it'd be more of a pay for support/certification type thing
[11-Jun-2007 11:14:50] <creiht> giesen: Looks like the main thing for the Enterprise version will be enhanced zenpacks and a hardware appliance
[11-Jun-2007 11:14:59] <deny[all]> zenoss have support for snmp v3?
[11-Jun-2007 11:16:30] <creiht> deny[all]: They should in the next release
[11-Jun-2007 11:16:59] <deny[all]> ok, what is that od pay version?
[11-Jun-2007 11:17:18] <deny[all]> it's not opensource anymore?
[11-Jun-2007 11:17:57] <creiht> the core stuff (what is available now) is still opensource, and will always be open source
[11-Jun-2007 11:18:16] <deny[all]> coz i'm thinking in replace my nagios with zenoss
[11-Jun-2007 11:18:25] <creiht> They are adding extra functionality that you can pay for
[11-Jun-2007 11:18:37] <creiht> for example a hardware appliance that you just install in your datacenter
[11-Jun-2007 11:19:02] <deny[all]> ok
[11-Jun-2007 11:19:07] <creiht> and extra zenpacks for monitoring things like MS SQL server
[11-Jun-2007 11:19:23] <creiht> And extra reports
[11-Jun-2007 11:19:47] <deny[all]> and the snmp v3 support it's not part of this new features?
[11-Jun-2007 11:19:52] <creiht> yes
[11-Jun-2007 11:19:56] <creiht> that is part of CORE
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:04] <creiht> or Zenoss CORE
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:05] <giesen> deny[all]: zenoss is a nice replacement for nagios
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:08] <creiht> whatever they call it
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:14] <giesen> I've replaced a few installations
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:15] <creiht> and yes giesen is very correct
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:17] <creiht>
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:22] <giesen> although they're all bugging me about one thing
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:26] <giesen> repeating notifications :/
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:36] <creiht> giesen: repeating?
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:39] <giesen> yeah
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:51] <giesen> zenoss wont repeat notificatiosn until acknowledged
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:57] <creiht> oh
[11-Jun-2007 11:20:59] <creiht> gotcha
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:04] <creiht> that works for me
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:06] <giesen> I have to create a workaround with a whole bunch of rules
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:14] <giesen> unless they just put it in 2.0
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:18] <giesen> Im upgrading to 2.0 right now
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:21] <deny[all]> giesen: yes i'm reading about it and that's what i'm thinking about the replace, but i'm need use snmp v3 since snmp v1 it's not secure enough
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:35] <giesen> meh
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:43] <giesen> the *vast* majority of people use snmp1/2c
[11-Jun-2007 11:21:47] <giesen> and secure with ip access lists
[11-Jun-2007 11:23:04] <deny[all]> giesen: i'm planning put the zenoss server on other datacenter far away from my main datacenter, snmp v1 does not use any encryption as a far i know
[11-Jun-2007 11:23:14] <giesen> ah
[11-Jun-2007 11:23:24] <giesen> relatively few devices support snmp3 though
[11-Jun-2007 11:23:31] <giesen> just saying, not a big concern for me
[11-Jun-2007 11:23:38] <giesen> can you could always use a vpn tunnel or something
[11-Jun-2007 11:24:47] <deny[all]> i mean, if i use a monitoring and alarm system the smart thing to do it's put it on other datacenter
[11-Jun-2007 11:25:16] <deny[all]> giesen: this is for linux servers, so they support v3
[11-Jun-2007 11:26:09] <giesen> ah yes
[11-Jun-2007 11:26:14] <creiht> deny[all]: The other thing you could do is set up a private network and monitor off of that
[11-Jun-2007 11:26:14] <giesen> I deal with a lot of different devices
[11-Jun-2007 11:26:27] <deny[all]> now i'm using nagios and cacti, but i see that zenoss have both features, statistics and alarm sistem
[11-Jun-2007 11:26:46] <deny[all]> creiht: like a vpn?
[11-Jun-2007 11:26:54] <giesen> deny[all]: zenoss has graphs
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:01] <giesen> but it's certainly no replacement for cacti
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:05] <creiht> deny[all]: Give each device a second set of nics
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:22] <creiht> And set up a private network that doesn't have public access
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:30] <creiht> connect the monitoring machine to that network
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:31] <giesen> it's great for seeing at a glance some stats
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:38] <giesen> but it's hard to pull any actual numbers out of it
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:49] <deny[all]> creiht: i got that already, but i want zenoss out of my main datacenter
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:55] <creiht> ahh
[11-Jun-2007 11:27:58] <creiht> gotcha
[11-Jun-2007 11:28:42] <deny[all]> creiht: if i lost connectivity with the main datacenter and zenoss is in there i never going to notice that
[11-Jun-2007 11:29:31] <creiht> true
[11-Jun-2007 11:29:51] <deny[all]> i'm not sure if i'm clear enough, my english it's really bad
[11-Jun-2007 11:31:46] <deny[all]> so i think i need wait for the new release or search for another alternative
[11-Jun-2007 11:31:48] <creiht> deny[all]: Not at all, I understand fine
[11-Jun-2007 11:31:56] <deny[all]> k grate
[11-Jun-2007 11:32:06] <creiht> deny[all]: There is a beta available of the next release
[11-Jun-2007 11:32:16] <creiht> So you could at least try it out to see how it will work
[11-Jun-2007 11:33:07] <deny[all]> but it's pay or not? because i'm looking for a GPL solution
[11-Jun-2007 11:33:19] <giesen> deny[all]: the core is still GPL
[11-Jun-2007 11:33:33] <giesen> just the enterprise version with more features that's coming is pay
[11-Jun-2007 11:33:44] <creiht> and the current stuff will always be GPL
[11-Jun-2007 11:33:46] <deny[all]> mm... ok, now i get it
[11-Jun-2007 11:33:56] <giesen> lots of open source projects work that way
[11-Jun-2007 11:34:03] <giesen> sugarcrm is a good example
[11-Jun-2007 11:35:35] * giesen wonders if nagios plugin performance is any better in 2.0
[11-Jun-2007 11:42:48] <spike> giesen: I'd love to avoid a flame, and it's been discussed to death already, sugarcrm is a rogue company living off of free software, and it's not open source (by mouth of one of the OSS's guys, cant remember which one)
[11-Jun-2007 11:43:18] <spike> should be fairly easy to google out
[11-Jun-2007 11:44:31] <spike> s/sugacrm/but sugarcrm/
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[11-Jun-2007 11:53:46] <giesen> well
[11-Jun-2007 11:53:56] <giesen> I dont know enough about sugarcrm to get into it
[11-Jun-2007 11:54:01] <giesen> but certainly their model is not unique
[11-Jun-2007 11:54:21] <giesen> Im definitely finding out freebsd is becoming less and less of a viable platform for zenoss though
[11-Jun-2007 11:54:25] <giesen> not taht I blame the zenoss guys
[11-Jun-2007 11:54:34] <spike> how so?
[11-Jun-2007 11:54:47] <spike> dont really run zenoss on fbsd so cant comment, just curious
[11-Jun-2007 11:55:02] <giesen> increasing amount of build errors
[11-Jun-2007 11:55:06] <giesen> with each new release
[11-Jun-2007 11:55:25] <giesen> if I could have I would have built this box on a proper linux platform
[11-Jun-2007 11:55:27] * giesen curses his boss
[11-Jun-2007 11:55:51] <giesen> and since freebsd isnt officially a supported platform
[11-Jun-2007 11:56:01] <giesen> it doesnt get much attention
[11-Jun-2007 11:56:07] <giesen> (again, i dont blame the zenoss guys for that)
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[11-Jun-2007 11:56:35] <giesen> gmake: *** [wmi-install] Error 2
[11-Jun-2007 11:56:37] <giesen> oops
[11-Jun-2007 11:58:26] <hspcd> folks, I am trying to get the new 2.0 version of Zenoss working on CentOS 4.4 and keep having the error at the link provided below. I've uninstalled, and reinstalled a couple of times, rebooted, checked the hosts file, etc. Nothing I've done seems to fix this. Anyone seen this or know how to help me?
[11-Jun-2007 11:58:28] <hspcd> http://rafb.net/p/XXgiz748.html
[11-Jun-2007 11:58:35] <adytum-bot> Title: Nopaste - Errors when running the zenoss init script as root (at rafb.net)
[11-Jun-2007 12:04:29] <giesen> dont run it as root
[11-Jun-2007 12:04:30] <giesen> =)
[11-Jun-2007 12:04:47] * giesen goes away nwo
[11-Jun-2007 12:07:22] <giesen> hspcd: is there anything in the logs?
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[11-Jun-2007 13:05:46] <giesen> gah
[11-Jun-2007 13:05:49] <giesen> upgrade to 2.0 failed :/
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[11-Jun-2007 13:12:03] <_3b> should zeoctl be available in a fresh install of 2.0?
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[11-Jun-2007 13:13:32] <_3b> giesen: out of curiosity, how did you upgrade?
[11-Jun-2007 13:13:51] <giesen> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/trunk/inst/ZEN2UPGRADE.txt?format=txt
[11-Jun-2007 13:13:51] <giesen> using instructions there
[11-Jun-2007 13:13:53] <giesen> plus a few hacks for freebsd
[11-Jun-2007 13:14:23] <_3b> heh, glad i didn't try that then
[11-Jun-2007 13:14:55] <_3b> trying to use those instructions to copy the copnfig to a test machine first, but missing the zeoctl command
[11-Jun-2007 13:15:39] <giesen> it might be freebsd-specific
[11-Jun-2007 13:15:41] <giesen> (the problem)
[11-Jun-2007 13:15:54] <giesen> I only get the error when I try to repopulate the database
[11-Jun-2007 13:16:29] <_3b> you install from the tarball?
[11-Jun-2007 13:16:30] <giesen> with zen2load.py
[11-Jun-2007 13:16:32] <giesen> yeah
[11-Jun-2007 13:20:59] <hspcd> giesen: you're saying that after I do an rpm -Uvh zenoss... that I should su - zenoss and do a zenoss start command instead of running /etc/init.d/zenoss start as root?
[11-Jun-2007 13:27:55] <giesen> no
[11-Jun-2007 13:27:57] <giesen> I was half joking
[11-Jun-2007 13:28:05] <giesen> using the init scripts is the proper way for RPM
[11-Jun-2007 13:28:11] <giesen> although I'd be curious to know if that works
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[11-Jun-2007 13:29:40] <_3b> giesen: do you have a zeoctl in the zenoss user's PATH after installing from the tarball?
[11-Jun-2007 13:30:53] <_3b> actually, i guess you probably do since you got stuck on the step after that
[11-Jun-2007 13:49:26] <giesen> yeah
[11-Jun-2007 13:49:30] <giesen> zeoctl is definitely there
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[11-Jun-2007 14:12:08] <_3b> heh, if i try starting it without trying to import the data, it can't find zeoctl or zopectl at all, and the rest can't find their config files...
[11-Jun-2007 14:56:26] <enots> uhm. zenoss.com -> Site Error
[11-Jun-2007 14:58:46] <_3b> site seems to work from here
[11-Jun-2007 14:58:46] <hspcd> giesen: what logs should I look at to determine what the problem is? I've removed the zenoss rpm with the -e switch and rebooted. Then I've installed zenoss again. I'm going to run the /etc/init.d/zenoss script as root and we'll see if I still get the same errors...
[11-Jun-2007 15:01:22] <_3b> hspcd: what errors do you get?
[11-Jun-2007 15:01:37] <hspcd> still getting the same error when starting /etc/init.d/zenoss script. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error
[11-Jun-2007 15:02:42] <_3b> ah...thanks, trying to reproduce your error may have fixed mine
[11-Jun-2007 15:02:44] <hspcd> _3b, the whole sequence is pasted here: http://rafb.net/p/qZvEVI81.html
[11-Jun-2007 15:02:51] <adytum-bot> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)
[11-Jun-2007 15:05:56] <_3b> seems to have worked OK here
[11-Jun-2007 15:07:31] <_3b> one difference I see, on your output, zeoctl is already running, while it wasn't in mine
[11-Jun-2007 15:08:25] <_3b> aside from the obvious 'Data migration failed' error that is
[11-Jun-2007 15:09:03] <_3b> i suppose the error could have left the daemon running though
[11-Jun-2007 15:09:31] <hspcd> what do you think i should do from here?
[11-Jun-2007 15:11:26] <_3b> my guess would be check /opt/zenoss/log/zeo.log
[11-Jun-2007 15:11:36] <_3b> not completely sure that is the right one though
[11-Jun-2007 15:13:48] <hspcd> no errors in that log file
[11-Jun-2007 15:18:14] <_3b> were you truing to upgrade?
[11-Jun-2007 15:22:31] <hspcd> no, this is a new install
[11-Jun-2007 15:30:38] <_3b> after you do an rpm -e, is there still anything in /opt/zenoss ?
[11-Jun-2007 15:31:00] <giesen> does anyone have any idea on the storage errors a bunch of us were getting?
[11-Jun-2007 15:31:14] <giesen> otherwise I gotta spend another hour or so backing out the install :/
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[11-Jun-2007 15:51:15] <_3b> looks like mine is working now, aside from trying to do WMI stuff with linux servers
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[11-Jun-2007 16:39:27] <hspcd> got zenoss 2.0 to finally start and the zeo db working. Now, there are a few procs that will not run. Anyone available to assist?
[11-Jun-2007 16:39:28] <hspcd> [zenoss@rdumon1 bin]$ ./zenstatus run
[11-Jun-2007 16:39:28] <hspcd> WARNING:zen.ZenStatus:Reconnected to ZenHub
[11-Jun-2007 16:39:29] <hspcd> INFO:zen.ZenStatus:fetching property items
[11-Jun-2007 16:39:29] <hspcd> ERROR:zen.ZenStatus:iteration over non-sequence
[11-Jun-2007 16:39:29] <hspcd> INFO:zen.ZenStatus:zenstatus shutting down
[11-Jun-2007 16:43:24] <giesen> hspcd: what was the problem if I may ask
[11-Jun-2007 16:44:56] * giesen thinks all the devs slept in today after pushing out the release
[11-Jun-2007 16:47:01] <hspcd> not sure. I ended up rpm -e on zenoss, then deleted the /opt/zenoss directory, rebooted, installed with rpm -Uvh and it worked. Now I've got the following procs that all fail with the 'iteration over non-sequence' error: zenstatus, zenperfsnmp, zenprocess
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[11-Jun-2007 17:04:50] <_3b> i think his problem may have been leftover $ZENHOME/var/Data.fs*, no idea why he would have those on a fresh install though
[11-Jun-2007 17:05:46] <_3b> i got the same error for a bit when i was importing old data
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[11-Jun-2007 17:17:58] <_3b> is there something in 2.0 that replaces the 'collect configuration' button on the manage tab of a specific device from 1.1?
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[11-Jun-2007 17:49:21] <Aziraphale> _3b: Model Device under the little arrow
[11-Jun-2007 17:49:50] <_3b> yeah, found it...apparently trying to import my old config broke it, so i had no little arrow
[11-Jun-2007 17:50:09] * _3b isn't having too much luck with 2.0
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[12-Jun-2007 03:44:28] <bsy1> Hi
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[12-Jun-2007 03:45:38] <bsy1> I just installed zenoss 2.0.0 on Centos 5. Everything went ok, but displaying events is broken under IE.
[12-Jun-2007 03:48:17] <bsy1> Anyone got rid of this problem ?
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[12-Jun-2007 05:52:25] <ToniVR> hi, I just downloaded the VMware image, and set up to discover my network. When discovering the 2nd subnet, I get loads of "Neighbour table overflow" in the console. ANy idea?
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[12-Jun-2007 06:49:25] <g00n> Im having som e problems upgrading my zenoss to 2.0.0; zen2dump.py gives me an error, AttributeError: 'PerformanceReport' object has no attribute 'isInTree'.
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[12-Jun-2007 09:29:39] <giesen> any of the devs around that can help with my 2.0 problem (or anyone else for that matter)
[12-Jun-2007 09:33:20] <giesen> http://rafb.net/p/W8DaJa94.html
[12-Jun-2007 09:33:28] <adytum-bot> Title: Nopaste - Upgrade from Zenoss 1.1.2 to 2.0 fails on import (at rafb.net)
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[12-Jun-2007 09:37:39] <jb> having trouble creating custom data sources/graphs in 2.0.. zenperfsnmp is telling me that my OIDs are bad (but they are not)
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[12-Jun-2007 10:06:49] <hspcd> is anyone else here having the issue where zenprocess, zenperfsnmp and zenstatus fail to start with an "iteration over non-sequence" error? This is a fresh install of Core 2.
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[12-Jun-2007 10:07:17] <hspcd> details at http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2245
[12-Jun-2007 10:07:17] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Daemons not starting - iteration over non-sequence (at community.zenoss.com)
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[12-Jun-2007 11:02:10] <halr9000> n00b question, zc2.0 vmware appliance, i've discovered a few networks and it modeled the few that have SNMP enabled. I tried to model others (preferrably using portscan or wmi) but so far can't figure out how to do that
[12-Jun-2007 11:02:29] <halr9000> insert the word "device" in there somewhere
[12-Jun-2007 11:06:31] <halr9000> quiet channel
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[12-Jun-2007 11:49:48] <r5> morning
[12-Jun-2007 11:54:43] <halr9000> howdy
[12-Jun-2007 11:54:59] <halr9000> might you know anything at all about zenoss?
[12-Jun-2007 11:55:10] <halr9000> [11:02] <halr9000> n00b question, zc2.0 vmware appliance, i've discovered a few networks and it modeled the few that have SNMP enabled. I tried to model others (preferrably using portscan or wmi) but so far can't figure out how to do that
[12-Jun-2007 11:55:15] <r5> I have JUST installed if for the first time
[12-Jun-2007 11:55:18] <halr9000> damn
[12-Jun-2007 11:55:28] <halr9000> of all the people here you and I are the only ones talking
[12-Jun-2007 11:55:44] <halr9000> guess I'll idle till someone who knows something shows up while I keep googling
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[12-Jun-2007 11:58:17] <creiht> halr9000: Sorry, I've only done SNMP monitoring... I thought there was an option of how you want to dectect services when you add a device though
[12-Jun-2007 12:03:36] <halr9000> seems the docs are outdated with the release of 2.0
[12-Jun-2007 12:03:44] <halr9000> thanks creiht
[12-Jun-2007 12:04:03] <halr9000> ideally i want to do nmap portscan modelling
[12-Jun-2007 12:04:03] <creiht> And I also haven't tried 2.0 out yet
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[12-Jun-2007 12:21:52] <zor0> hello? anyone unafk?
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[12-Jun-2007 13:14:08] <rkagin> Which events are mapped to XML-RPC? I have found two files, which map slightly different events: /zenoss-2.0.0/Products/ZenRRD/zenx.py and /zenoss-2.0.0/Products/ZenHub/XmlRpcService.py.
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[12-Jun-2007 13:22:03] <jb> anyone around that has made custom graphs/datapoints in 2.0?
[12-Jun-2007 13:27:52] * Aziraphale waves
[12-Jun-2007 13:30:31] <jb> hi
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[12-Jun-2007 15:00:33] <rkagin> Can anyone help on finding the differences between /zenoss-2.0.0/Products/ZenRRD/zenx.py and /zenoss-2.0.0/Products/ZenHub/XmlRpcService.py, in terms of their functionality, use, and interface with ZenModel (or relevant modules)?
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[12-Jun-2007 15:19:16] <jmizell> any one know how to get all the information from aix or an hpux box for snmp?
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[12-Jun-2007 16:20:59] <J-Bob> jmizell: AIX and HPUX are both tricky. They both have base agents with additional agents for things like host resources (CPU / Disk / Memory). There are good resources out there for configuring the AIX subagents. HPUX requires their extensible agent in addition to what ships with the base OS
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[12-Jun-2007 16:32:30] <bin2hex> Quick question - can you upgrade the appliance from 1.1.1 to 2.0 ?
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[12-Jun-2007 16:38:03] <DBCooper_> I'm getting a traceback when I try to discover devices on one of my subnets.
[12-Jun-2007 16:38:09] <DBCooper_> I assume it's working for others.
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[12-Jun-2007 16:45:49] <scrip> where does the zope save its logs?
[12-Jun-2007 16:46:01] <scrip> zopectl keeps exiting for no reason, and it won't accept requests
[12-Jun-2007 16:47:23] <DBCooper_> Logs should be in $ZENHOME/log
[12-Jun-2007 16:51:05] <scrip> but where is the zope log? there isn't a zopectl.log
[12-Jun-2007 16:54:47] <DBCooper_> I'm not sure, but your zopectl problem might show in the syslog on the server.
[12-Jun-2007 16:54:58] <creiht> scrip: Check Z2.log
[12-Jun-2007 16:55:01] <DBCooper_> It may not be getting far enough to show in the zope logs.
[12-Jun-2007 16:55:43] <DBCooper_> Z2.log is the log for the web interface
[12-Jun-2007 16:55:49] <creiht> creiht: and also check event.log
[12-Jun-2007 16:55:54] <creiht> Which is zope
[12-Jun-2007 16:56:07] <DBCooper_> indeed :-)
[12-Jun-2007 16:56:28] <creiht> zope logs to event.log and Z2.log
[12-Jun-2007 16:56:43] <creiht> event.log is most likely where you will find an error message
[12-Jun-2007 16:58:48] <bin2hex> Quick question - can you upgrade the appliance from 1.1.1 to 2.0 ?
[12-Jun-2007 16:59:26] <scrip> ok, zopectl was exiting with no error at all, when I run it by hand with zopectl run -v 10 I get this a message "ValueError: corrupted record, oid"
[12-Jun-2007 16:59:31] <scrip> what does that mean?
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[12-Jun-2007 17:08:48] <scrip> zopectl is exiting with a cryptic backtrace and no error message in the logs, what should I do?
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[12-Jun-2007 17:22:27] <giesen> not to mention the CSS seems horribly broken
[12-Jun-2007 17:23:17] <Aziraphale> bout the only complaint I have with that is that I can't scroll the event list
[12-Jun-2007 17:25:18] <J-Bob> giesen...if you do an upgrade, then you have to do a shift+reload to get all the new web updates
[12-Jun-2007 17:27:31] <giesen> do you know what the IE equivalent is?
[12-Jun-2007 17:27:47] <giesen> or is IE support just horribly broken
[12-Jun-2007 17:29:20] <Aziraphale> ugh. just tested that. It is
[12-Jun-2007 17:31:18] <Aziraphale> ah correction
[12-Jun-2007 17:31:50] <Aziraphale> ferkin' security settings. Scrollbar even works in IE, which it doesn't in Firefox
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:05] <scrip> scroll bar works fine for me in firefox
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:09] <giesen> man
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:18] <giesen> posting the system requirements somewhere where you can actually find them
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:21] <Aziraphale> slow as hell in IE though
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:23] <giesen> might be nice :/
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:27] <giesen> Aziraphale: no kidding
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:29] <J-Bob> giesen: hmm...we generally support (fully) FF on either *nix / mac os, but we have been working to get IE working
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:30] <giesen> loading the device list
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:35] <scrip> IE is just.... ew
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:54] <giesen> scrip: unfortunately it's still the browser of choice for 85% of people
[12-Jun-2007 17:32:59] <J-Bob> good point on requirements...I need to check on that
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:17] <giesen> J-Bob: like the new swig that was required
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:22] <giesen> wasn't mentioned ANYWHERE
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:23] <scrip> giesen: ok, 85% use it, but it is not the browser "of choice" for all of them
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:29] <Aziraphale> scroll bar works in FF/Win, not in FF/Debian
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:38] <giesen> scrip: agreed
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:41] <J-Bob> giesen: absolutely...many enterprises don't allow "rogue" =) browsers like FF
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:47] <giesen> yeah
[12-Jun-2007 17:33:54] <giesen> unfortunately I have to support IE users
[12-Jun-2007 17:34:05] <J-Bob> giesen: understood
[12-Jun-2007 17:34:23] <J-Bob> giesen: the swig deal was a yikes I think
[12-Jun-2007 17:35:17] <giesen> yeah it happens
[12-Jun-2007 17:35:21] <giesen> I dont mean to be bitchy
[12-Jun-2007 17:35:37] <giesen> but it just seems I spend many days defending zenoss to my boss
[12-Jun-2007 17:35:44] <giesen> and then it totally blows up when I try to upgrade :/
[12-Jun-2007 17:37:40] <J-Bob> giesen: murphy's law is very strong at times with opensource. I think the DEVs are having more free cycles to answer discuss list questions / issues in the next couple days, plus cluther is at zenoss now. Keep flaming zenoss-users
[12-Jun-2007 17:37:52] <giesen> yeah
[12-Jun-2007 17:38:00] <giesen> Im just a little unhappy with the release QA of late
[12-Jun-2007 17:38:10] <giesen> if this really is supposed to be an enterprise-class product :/
[12-Jun-2007 17:38:28] <giesen> but I'll keep plugging away
[12-Jun-2007 17:38:36] <giesen> the feature set seems to be getting there
[12-Jun-2007 17:39:12] <giesen> J-Bob: is there any specific requirements for libsnmp
[12-Jun-2007 17:39:20] <giesen> since it seems that's currently the source of my problems
[12-Jun-2007 17:39:26] <J-Bob> giesen: glad that's a bright spot. Make sure and send up flares on features that you need for your environment
[12-Jun-2007 17:39:46] <J-Bob> Hmm..I can dig on that.
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:04] <giesen> hehe
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:12] <giesen> #1 feature I need: repeating notifications
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:15] <giesen> =)
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:24] <giesen> it can sorta be worked around
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:27] <giesen> but a hack at best
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:29] <giesen> and doesnt scale
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:40] <J-Bob> giesen: how funny...knew that was coming
[12-Jun-2007 17:40:57] <giesen> yeah
[12-Jun-2007 17:41:00] <Aziraphale> that's somewhat hard to do properly...
[12-Jun-2007 17:41:14] <giesen> well it's also sorta important in an nms
[12-Jun-2007 17:41:27] <giesen> and I've actually had my old company switch away from zenoss because of the lack of it
[12-Jun-2007 17:41:29] <Aziraphale> even $$$$$$ commercial NMSs don't always get that right
[12-Jun-2007 17:41:43] <J-Bob> giesen: are you hitting node limitations? Like specific numbers of nodes?
[12-Jun-2007 17:42:05] <giesen> nah
[12-Jun-2007 17:42:14] <giesen> part of my current problems seem to be the amount of nagios plugins Im using
[12-Jun-2007 17:42:18] <giesen> and the box just cant handle it
[12-Jun-2007 17:42:58] <giesen> if I can get this thing to stabilize
[12-Jun-2007 17:43:06] <giesen> I'm gonna write some sexy asterisk integration
[12-Jun-2007 17:43:09] <giesen> for text to speech paging
[12-Jun-2007 17:43:19] <J-Bob> That would be cool
[12-Jun-2007 17:43:20] <Aziraphale> I've an old bug coming back
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[12-Jun-2007 18:12:16] <scrip> Configure the username and password for zenperfsnmp in the config file:
[12-Jun-2007 18:12:16] <scrip> bash$ vim $ZENHOME/etc/zenperfsnmp.conf
[12-Jun-2007 18:12:27] <scrip> configure it how? what is this the username and password for?
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[12-Jun-2007 18:30:30] <crshman> hello, i just did a fresh install of zenoss on a centos box and when i login as admin the "users" option in the left column doesn't show up.....anyone have any ideas or where i could find out why?
[12-Jun-2007 18:30:40] <crshman> i have already searched the forums, but nothing came up =(
[12-Jun-2007 18:32:35] <_3b> try under settings?
[12-Jun-2007 18:33:18] <crshman> ohhhh i see, wow i'm sorry, the how to guides don't show that.....doh...
[12-Jun-2007 18:38:42] <crshman> is there a "minumum requirements" page on the site somewhere? are there any "minumum requirements" ?
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[12-Jun-2007 19:02:07] <scrip> crshman: requirements depend on how many systems you want to monitor
[12-Jun-2007 19:02:52] <rkagin> Silly question here, but where is events.log?
[12-Jun-2007 19:03:00] <scrip> $ZENHOME/log/
[12-Jun-2007 19:03:10] <scrip> probably /usr/local/zenoss/log
[12-Jun-2007 19:03:48] <rkagin> I just checked out the zenoss-2.0.0 from the wiki, and I'm looking in that folder, and don't see the "log" directory.
[12-Jun-2007 19:04:32] <rkagin> Am I missing something here?
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[12-Jun-2007 19:11:18] <[Utah]tristanbob> I'm starting up the zenoss 2.0 vmware imagae
[12-Jun-2007 19:20:28] <scrip> good luck!
[12-Jun-2007 19:21:18] <scrip> remember to disable the x86_compat backport libraries, or it will corrupt your windows install
[12-Jun-2007 19:21:21] <scrip>
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[12-Jun-2007 21:24:24] <hspcd> anybody here?
[12-Jun-2007 21:24:30] <hspcd> urr, any developers here?
[12-Jun-2007 21:33:44] <hspcd> where's the love?
[12-Jun-2007 21:44:26] <Snake-Eyes> no love for j00
[12-Jun-2007 21:48:37] <Snake-Eyes> whats your problem ? (not a developer)
[12-Jun-2007 22:16:29] <hspcd> Snake-Eyes: I think I figured it out. I'm running Zenoss 2 on CentOS 4.5 which has python2.3.4 installed. I looked at the Zenoss requirements once more and it says that python2.3.5 is needed. I think that this is why I get the issue listed here: http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2245
[12-Jun-2007 22:16:29] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Daemons not starting - iteration over non-sequence (at community.zenoss.com)
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[12-Jun-2007 22:30:51] <Snake-Eyes> ah
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[13-Jun-2007 07:09:15] <iuso> hi, i'm getting an error during zenoss upgrade from 1.1.2 to 2.0.0
[13-Jun-2007 07:09:57] <iuso> WARNING:OFS.Application:Duplicate Product name
[13-Jun-2007 07:10:04] <iuso> After loading Product 'Five' from '/usr/local/zenoss/Products',
[13-Jun-2007 07:10:10] <iuso> I skipped the one in '/usr/local/zenoss/lib/python/Products'.
[13-Jun-2007 07:10:40] <iuso> ... well looks more like a warning than an error. i'll see if the upgrade proceeds OK from here
[13-Jun-2007 07:21:31] <iuso> didn't work. there are no devices in the device list
[13-Jun-2007 07:23:17] <iuso> _everything_ is empty!
[13-Jun-2007 07:23:29] <iuso> was 2.0.0 designed for upgrading at all=?
[13-Jun-2007 07:33:12] <iuso> i can see that the latest version is way too raw for enterprise use
[13-Jun-2007 07:33:39] <iuso> even the graphics wouldn't display properly
[13-Jun-2007 07:33:47] <iuso> moving back to 1.1.2 right this instant
[13-Jun-2007 07:34:45] <iuso> since zenoss doesn't really seem to even have a community, unless you want to call a bunch of bug-bitten end users that idle on an empty irc channel a "community"
[13-Jun-2007 07:35:51] <iuso> if the enterprise version is nothing more than the same zenoss with added support, then boy your helpdesk must be jammed with requests
[13-Jun-2007 07:36:15] <_zack> iuso: calm down, I don't think rants like these will help
[13-Jun-2007 07:36:53] <Aziraphale> time better spent R-ing TFM...
[13-Jun-2007 07:38:25] <iuso> you're absolutely right, it doesn't do much good other than let some steam out. but this isn't the first time i've noticed that problems are seldom answered to here or in the forums
[13-Jun-2007 07:38:43] <iuso> the only doc i can find is the standard upgrade howto, which i followed to the point
[13-Jun-2007 07:38:52] <iuso> and the forums echo of emptiness as usual
[13-Jun-2007 07:38:53] <_zack> maybe, but on the contrary tickets reported in the ticket tracker are answered incredibly fast
[13-Jun-2007 07:39:02] <iuso> hmm, thanks for the tip
[13-Jun-2007 07:39:08] <_zack> have you tried there? maybe checking before if a similar problem has already been reported of course....
[13-Jun-2007 07:39:54] <iuso> right now i just need to get the old version back running, we can't have a long break with the monitoring. but i'll check the tracker out, thanks agian
[13-Jun-2007 07:39:55] <Aziraphale> there is a 2.0 specific upgrade one.
[13-Jun-2007 07:40:19] <Aziraphale> have to export your db to xml or somesuch
[13-Jun-2007 07:44:04] <iuso> yeah, the INSTALL file shipped with 2.0.0 tells that
[13-Jun-2007 07:44:36] <iuso> i'm assuming that one of the steps listed in that doc _is_ the exporting and importing routine
[13-Jun-2007 07:44:48] <iuso> and unless not, well that's a bad flaw in the doc in that case
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[13-Jun-2007 07:45:11] <J-Bob> iuso: sorry you are struggling with the upgrade. This may seem obvious, but the upgrade instructions are VERY literal..not pretty..but seems to work consistently
[13-Jun-2007 07:45:39] <Aziraphale> check against this: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/trunk/inst/ZEN2UPGRADE.txt?format=txt
[13-Jun-2007 07:45:53] <iuso> J-Bob: yeah, i followed them as closely as i could
[13-Jun-2007 07:48:10] <iuso> Aziraphale: exactly the same url that i followed the doc from, i only noticed afterwards that the same file is included as INSTALL with the tarball
[13-Jun-2007 07:48:37] <Aziraphale> hmm
[13-Jun-2007 07:49:50] <iuso> uhm, i suppose i need to reload the zenoss mysql database after reinstating 1.1.2?
[13-Jun-2007 07:49:59] <iuso> i've a dump of the database
[13-Jun-2007 07:50:37] <iuso> nevermind that, the data seems to be in place
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[13-Jun-2007 07:50:40] <Aziraphale> you need the events and history?
[13-Jun-2007 07:50:46] <iuso> Aziraphale: not really no
[13-Jun-2007 07:51:04] <Aziraphale> that's all that's in mysql
[13-Jun-2007 07:51:32] <iuso> i'll have to give one compliment to balance the crap i sometimes spew out of my mouth: having the whole of zenoss in one directory makes reverting to the previous version a breeze
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[13-Jun-2007 07:53:20] <iuso> but... a huge load of various errors and warnings
[13-Jun-2007 07:53:47] <iuso> all flowing to my phone
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[13-Jun-2007 09:27:54] <giesen> iuso: I feel your pain :/
[13-Jun-2007 09:28:06] <giesen> the 1.1.2 > 2.0 upgrade = disaster
[13-Jun-2007 09:31:13] <hspcd> Ok, so I've been working on my Zenoss 2 install/config for a couple of days now. I'm running on CentOS 4.4 and get an error when I try to start several of the processes. Are there any developers here that can lend a hand? I've posted the error on the Zenoss forums at this location: http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2245&highlight=zenprocess
[13-Jun-2007 09:31:13] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Daemons not starting - iteration over non-sequence (at community.zenoss.com)
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[13-Jun-2007 09:48:30] <hspcd> Ground Control to Major Tom... Are there any Zenoss support or dev guys in this room?
[13-Jun-2007 09:49:07] <Bulwinkle> hardly ever, whats up?
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[13-Jun-2007 09:52:24] <creiht> hspcd: Hopefully one of us might be able to help
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[13-Jun-2007 09:53:06] <hspcd> I hope so, I'm really interested in testing Zenoss against our install of OpenNMS. I'm just stuck at the moment with these three daemons that will not start...
[13-Jun-2007 09:53:32] <creiht> hspcd: The first thing you will probably want to do is check the logs for the daemons
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[13-Jun-2007 09:53:39] <creiht> They can be found in
[13-Jun-2007 09:53:43] <creiht> $ZENHOME/log
[13-Jun-2007 09:53:58] <hspcd> I've actually posted the output of the logs in that forum post I linked to earlier...
[13-Jun-2007 09:54:24] <hspcd> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2245&highlight=zenprocess
[13-Jun-2007 09:54:24] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Daemons not starting - iteration over non-sequence (at community.zenoss.com)
[13-Jun-2007 09:54:32] <hspcd> keep getting an iteration over non-sequence (python error?) message in the logs
[13-Jun-2007 09:54:49] <creiht> hspcd: Interesting... which version is this one?
[13-Jun-2007 09:54:50] <creiht> er on?
[13-Jun-2007 09:55:34] <hspcd> Version of Zenoss is 2.0.0-0, Linux is CentOS 4.4, Python is 2.3.5
[13-Jun-2007 09:55:35] <hspcd> [root@rdumon1 ~]# python
[13-Jun-2007 09:55:35] <hspcd> Python 2.3.5 (#1, Jun 13 2007, 07:29:40)
[13-Jun-2007 09:55:35] <hspcd> [GCC 3.4.6 20060404 (Red Hat 3.4.6-8)] on linux2
[13-Jun-2007 09:55:35] <hspcd> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
[13-Jun-2007 09:55:35] <hspcd> >>>
[13-Jun-2007 09:55:55] <creiht> I haven't used Zenoss v2.0 yet
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:12] <giesen> you may wanna hold off for a couple releases
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:16] <creiht> hehe
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:20] <creiht> I usually do
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:30] <giesen> yeah I was an idiot and jumped right into it
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:35] <creiht> hehe
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:36] <hspcd> yes, but I want the newest and latest features
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:44] <giesen> hspcd: that was my excuse
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:44] <creiht> I made that mistake a while back as well
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:45] <creiht> hehe
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:47] <giesen> and now Im paying for it
[13-Jun-2007 09:56:53] <hspcd> bummer
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:05] <creiht> They usually respond pretty quickly with updates though
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:09] <hspcd> the vmware virt appliance seems to run fine, so why not our installs or upgrades?
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:20] <giesen> cause the install is the most brittle part
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:20] <creiht> hspcd: Do you know which snmp libs you are using?
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:25] <giesen> with the most variables
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:38] <hspcd> naw, how do I tell?
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:47] <creiht> ok then you are using the default
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:53] <hspcd> heh
[13-Jun-2007 09:57:57] <creiht> I know they changed the snmp stuff
[13-Jun-2007 09:58:15] <hspcd> seems like this is a python script execution error to me, no?
[13-Jun-2007 09:58:32] <creiht> I wish I could help you more... hopefully someone will respond soon to your forum post
[13-Jun-2007 09:58:41] <hspcd> at first I was thinking that it was due to me running python2.3.4 but I upgraded to 2.3.5 and still get the errors
[13-Jun-2007 09:58:49] <creiht> Well without seeing the code, it looks like the snmp stuff isn't returning the right data
[13-Jun-2007 09:59:07] <hspcd> based on my forum post?
[13-Jun-2007 09:59:11] <creiht> yeah
[13-Jun-2007 09:59:22] <hspcd> hmmm
[13-Jun-2007 09:59:22] <creiht> it's hard to say though
[13-Jun-2007 09:59:35] <creiht> let me look at something
[13-Jun-2007 09:59:35] <hspcd> do the devs/support crew monitor the forums at all?
[13-Jun-2007 09:59:41] <creiht> They usually do
[13-Jun-2007 10:01:05] <hspcd> creiht: did you look at something?
[13-Jun-2007 10:01:29] <creiht> I'm looking at the file where you had the error
[13-Jun-2007 10:01:33] <creiht> to see if anything stands out
[13-Jun-2007 10:01:55] <hspcd> I'm an impatient knob, I know. Thanks for helping
[13-Jun-2007 10:03:21] <cluther_> hspcd: Do you have a $ZENHOME/etc/hubpasswd file?
[13-Jun-2007 10:03:34] <cluther_> hspcd: It should normall contain one line that reads "admin:zenoss"
[13-Jun-2007 10:03:57] <cluther_> hspcd: Those errors you posted are typically caused when the daemons can't authenticate to zenhub.
[13-Jun-2007 10:04:13] <hspcd> yep
[13-Jun-2007 10:06:00] <cluther_> Is this a clean install of 2.0 or an upgrade?
[13-Jun-2007 10:07:15] <creiht> cluther_: Looking at the code, it doesn't look like it is doing any type of auth at that point
[13-Jun-2007 10:07:27] <creiht> The traceback happens after a poll happens
[13-Jun-2007 10:07:36] <creiht> and it is trying to update the data
[13-Jun-2007 10:07:50] <creiht> It is expecting a list of information back from the poll
[13-Jun-2007 10:07:58] <cluther_> creiht: Yup.. you're right
[13-Jun-2007 10:08:08] <creiht> but for some reason is not getting the data correctly
[13-Jun-2007 10:08:24] <cluther_> hspcd: Do you have any devices in Zenoss at all? Maybe the initial localhost device didn't get added in.
[13-Jun-2007 10:09:01] <hspcd> lemme check
[13-Jun-2007 10:09:42] <hspcd> there are NO devices, not even localhost
[13-Jun-2007 10:10:45] * giesen attempts reinstalling snmp from ports to see if he missed some option for SSL
[13-Jun-2007 10:17:13] <cluther_> hspcd: After you add a device, those daemons should start. I think that's the problem.
[13-Jun-2007 10:17:42] <cluther_> cluther_: Normally the installer will add localhost automatically to avoid this problem. I'm guessing that your localhost wasn't properly configured to be modeled via SNMP, so the addition failed.
[13-Jun-2007 10:21:23] <hspcd> cluther_: it's all horked up ... http://rafb.net/p/qIYawS42.html
[13-Jun-2007 10:21:23] <adytum-bot> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)
[13-Jun-2007 10:27:17] <monrad> anyone seen segmentation faults with zenmodeler?
[13-Jun-2007 10:27:22] <monrad> with 2.0
[13-Jun-2007 10:28:39] <hspcd> cluther_: any thoughts on what I should do from here?
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[13-Jun-2007 11:03:41] <cluther_> hspcd: Your install doesn't look like it was successful. That last error means that the MySQL database tables weren't even created. What install method did you use?
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[13-Jun-2007 11:06:10] <hspcd> cluther_: used the rpm install method
[13-Jun-2007 11:06:44] <cluther_> cluther_: Install (-I) or upgrade (-U) ?
[13-Jun-2007 11:06:49] <hspcd> yeah, just re-installed and it doesn't look like the db is getting created
[13-Jun-2007 11:06:52] <hspcd> -U
[13-Jun-2007 11:07:09] <cluther_> You need to do an install to create the database. Upgrade assumes that the database already exists.
[13-Jun-2007 11:07:30] <giesen> probably a problem with mysql permissions
[13-Jun-2007 11:07:39] <giesen> zenoss seems to lose the password every time I upgrade
[13-Jun-2007 11:08:10] <giesen> so I can only imagine the devs probably dont password protect their zenoss user on their mysql db
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[13-Jun-2007 11:16:14] <hspcd> cluther_: just ran through the install again with rpm -i zenoss....rpm and the mysql databases are still not created.
[13-Jun-2007 11:16:37] <cluther_> They'll be created once your start zenoss with "service zenoss start" as root.
[13-Jun-2007 11:17:32] <cluther_> When the RPM is installed rather then upgraded it created a file in $ZENHOME called something like .freshinstall. The startup script does the database initialization only if this file exists.
[13-Jun-2007 11:18:44] <giesen> cluther_: I dont think that works if a root password exists on mysql
[13-Jun-2007 11:19:03] <giesen> hrm
[13-Jun-2007 11:19:10] * giesen is getting pissed now :/
[13-Jun-2007 11:19:37] <hspcd> already ran the service as root but don't see the db created and I get a mysql error when trying to add localhost again
[13-Jun-2007 11:19:37] <cluther_> giesen: You're right.
[13-Jun-2007 11:19:52] <hspcd> no passwd exists for root
[13-Jun-2007 11:20:13] <giesen> cluther_: which speaks to my point =)
[13-Jun-2007 11:21:08] <hspcd> is there an import script that I can run to create the databases/tables?
[13-Jun-2007 11:24:36] <cluther_> hspcd: $ZENHOME/Products/ZenEvents/db/*.sql
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[13-Jun-2007 11:27:03] <hspcd> cluther_: thanks, I'll work on it some more and see what happens. Thanks a lot for your help with this.
[13-Jun-2007 11:27:46] <cluther_> hspcd: Good luck. Sorry for the short responses.. there's a lot going on with the new 2.0 launch.
[13-Jun-2007 11:29:43] <giesen> cluther_: you have any ideas on how I might correct my problem? =)
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[13-Jun-2007 11:31:46] <hspcd> cluther_: No worries and thanks. I can't wait to see how Zenoss 2 stacks up against our OpenNMS platform.
[13-Jun-2007 11:37:54] <cluther_> giesen: I don't think I was on here early enough to see what your problem was.
[13-Jun-2007 11:41:13] <giesen> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/1664#comment:1
[13-Jun-2007 11:41:13] <adytum-bot> Title: #1664 (Zenoss 2.0 wont start on FreeBSD 6.1) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[13-Jun-2007 11:41:50] <Aziraphale> giesen: read the FreeBSD 6.2 install doc, there's a workaround for that in the last paragraph
[13-Jun-2007 11:43:08] <Aziraphale> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/browser/trunk/inst/docs/INSTALL_FreeBSD62.txt?rev=5668
[13-Jun-2007 11:43:08] <adytum-bot> Title: /trunk/inst/docs/INSTALL_FreeBSD62.txt - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[13-Jun-2007 11:43:31] <giesen> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/install-guides/install-on-freebsd-6.2-1/
[13-Jun-2007 11:43:31] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[13-Jun-2007 11:43:31] <giesen> ah, I was looking at that
[13-Jun-2007 11:44:56] <giesen> at least Im know Im not going crazy
[13-Jun-2007 11:46:41] <giesen> woo
[13-Jun-2007 11:46:44] <giesen> Aziraphale: you're my hero.
[13-Jun-2007 11:47:18] <giesen> now I can go back to bitching about the lack of repeating notifications =)
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[13-Jun-2007 11:53:09] <thefoo> is there a common fix to the dashboard web page being obviously broken on 1st install?
[13-Jun-2007 11:53:23] <thefoo> none of the css or js files can be found
[13-Jun-2007 11:54:14] <thefoo> when you take the url to one and paste it into the browser, it forwards you to a login page
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[13-Jun-2007 12:01:27] <giesen> thefoo: shift-reload works on firefox
[13-Jun-2007 12:01:34] <giesen> I think IE is just horribly broken
[13-Jun-2007 12:02:05] <Aziraphale> reminds me, must file the ticket about the scroll bar in FF/*ix
[13-Jun-2007 12:02:09] <thefoo> that doesn't fix it
[13-Jun-2007 12:02:36] <thefoo> I'm using firefox, and have cleared the cache, restarted zenoss, restarted firefox, etc
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[13-Jun-2007 12:02:55] <thefoo> after the links, it says "Site error"
[13-Jun-2007 12:03:17] <thefoo> so I'm guessing something is broken in 2.0.0 for fresh installs
[13-Jun-2007 12:03:31] <thefoo> "The requested resource does not exist"
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[13-Jun-2007 12:03:45] <thefoo> I also was not asked for my username/password
[13-Jun-2007 12:10:22] <thefoo> where does the zope installation hold its logs?
[13-Jun-2007 12:11:14] <creiht> thefoo: $ZENHOME/log/Z2.log
[13-Jun-2007 12:11:29] <thefoo> right
[13-Jun-2007 12:11:36] <thefoo> well that's got a ton of 404s in it
[13-Jun-2007 12:11:56] <thefoo> as suspected, the .gif and .js files cannot be found
[13-Jun-2007 12:12:02] <thefoo> and .css
[13-Jun-2007 12:12:46] <thefoo> any suggestion?
[13-Jun-2007 12:12:55] <thefoo> wipe the db and reinstall completely?
[13-Jun-2007 12:13:57] <creiht> That is odd... not sure
[13-Jun-2007 12:14:14] <creiht> Was this an upgrade or new install?
[13-Jun-2007 12:14:20] <thefoo> new
[13-Jun-2007 12:14:35] <thefoo> I tried using apache as a proxy first, and had these problems
[13-Jun-2007 12:14:48] <thefoo> so I went straight to :8080 and it's happening still
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[13-Jun-2007 12:23:34] <thefoo> right
[13-Jun-2007 12:23:39] <thefoo> reinstalled and it works now
[13-Jun-2007 12:23:54] <creiht> cool
[13-Jun-2007 12:24:07] <J-Bob> sweet
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[13-Jun-2007 12:25:18] <thefoo> right, time for this tomorrow
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[13-Jun-2007 12:32:53] <Dislo> hey guys i need some help with getting some parts of zenoss installed
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[13-Jun-2007 12:36:31] <Dislo> i am having trouble getting zenmodeler zenprefsnmp and zenprocess to turn on
[13-Jun-2007 12:55:58] <Dislo> hey is there an idiots guide to zenoss out there somewhere
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[13-Jun-2007 13:12:05] <J-Bob> Dislo: are you getting any errors on startup?
[13-Jun-2007 13:13:17] <Dislo> J-Bob, yeah when i run /usr/local/zenoss/bin/zenoss start
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[13-Jun-2007 13:21:00] <litein> how can i export my data from zenoss vm appl 1.1.1 to zenoss vm appl 2.0
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[13-Jun-2007 13:23:37] <scrip> zenoss appears to load a device, but gives me this error:
[13-Jun-2007 13:23:38] <scrip> database conflict error (oid 0x6c3d, class Products.ZenModel.Device.Device)
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[13-Jun-2007 13:30:47] <BigHeadJeff> anyone else having problems with the PDF files on the ZenOSS website? for instance, http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/ZenossAdminGuide2-0.pdf
[13-Jun-2007 13:30:47] <litein> yes I am
[13-Jun-2007 13:30:50] <BigHeadJeff> I keep getting corruption errors
[13-Jun-2007 13:30:57] <J-Bob> Dislo: What is the error or errors?
[13-Jun-2007 13:35:08] <Dislo> J-Bob, let me pull up a teminal on this machine real quick
[13-Jun-2007 13:36:47] <Dislo> hey which pastebin do you want me to use
[13-Jun-2007 13:39:14] <scrip> zope keeps giving me database errors, where is information on how to fix this?
[13-Jun-2007 13:39:26] <scrip> database conflict error?
[13-Jun-2007 13:39:31] <scrip> what does that mean?
[13-Jun-2007 13:39:53] <Aziraphale> so, if I have created a ZenPack with a specialist template added, can that now be published to another Zenoss installation?
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[13-Jun-2007 13:45:26] <Ray_Haque> Hello everyone.
[13-Jun-2007 13:45:47] <Ray_Haque> I have what may be a stupid question about configuring Zenoss. Feel free to stone me.
[13-Jun-2007 13:46:19] <Ray_Haque> What might I do to enable me to see what IP address a connected host is holding, on a Cisco switch?
[13-Jun-2007 13:46:46] <Aziraphale> on a L2 switch, nothing
[13-Jun-2007 13:46:55] <Ray_Haque> Its a modern L2/L3 switch, which does retain the MAC and IP in a table ... and it's attainable by SNMP.
[13-Jun-2007 13:47:23] <Ray_Haque> One of our guys here is using some BEAT Solarwinds tool which shows it.
[13-Jun-2007 13:47:29] <Ray_Haque> *BETA
[13-Jun-2007 13:47:43] <Aziraphale> hmm, would need a plugin to collect the ARP table
[13-Jun-2007 13:47:58] <Aziraphale> not much point though, as it changes constantly
[13-Jun-2007 13:47:59] <J-Bob> Dislo: sorry...had to step away. any pastebin is fine...
[13-Jun-2007 13:48:36] <Ray_Haque> A plugin eh? Hrm.
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[13-Jun-2007 13:50:57] <giesen> Aziraphale: did you ever find a resolutin for the pingto 0 issue
[13-Jun-2007 13:51:05] <J-Bob> Ray_Hague: Zenoss does not collect that info natively (you already figured that out...), but it is being looked at. That is a SolarWindows nicety that we would like to have in Zenoss. It is a very useful piece of info
[13-Jun-2007 13:51:08] <giesen> I'm encountering it now too
[13-Jun-2007 13:51:31] <Ray_Haque> J-Bob : No doubt! :-) Thanks for the heads up.
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[13-Jun-2007 13:52:10] <Aziraphale> J-Bob: you could use it for modeling, but does it serve a purpose to collect that on every zenperfsnmp run?
[13-Jun-2007 13:52:52] <Aziraphale> considering an ARP table could run to five figures of entries
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[13-Jun-2007 13:54:23] <giesen> maybe he's just looking for an entry count?
[13-Jun-2007 13:54:41] <giesen> I'd love a bgp prefix count
[13-Jun-2007 13:54:46] <Aziraphale> not what I understand, but that'd be easy
[13-Jun-2007 13:54:58] <giesen> well yeah
[13-Jun-2007 13:54:58] <Aziraphale> giesen: I'm doing that on my Junipers
[13-Jun-2007 13:55:01] <giesen> yeah
[13-Jun-2007 13:55:13] <giesen> unforunately my ciscos dont support it :/
[13-Jun-2007 13:55:21] <giesen> I have to use a nagios plugin/expect script
[13-Jun-2007 13:55:24] <giesen> it's ugly as hell.
[13-Jun-2007 13:56:30] <Aziraphale> ipCidrRouteNumber if you don't mind getting the internal prefixes too
[13-Jun-2007 13:56:47] <scrip> alright, can anyone here help me figure out why zenoss 2.0 isn't working or do I just need to downgrade?
[13-Jun-2007 13:57:33] <scrip> is the zenoss 1 branch going to be maintained at all?
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[13-Jun-2007 13:59:49] <giesen> Aziraphale: I like to do it on a per-peer basis
[13-Jun-2007 14:00:02] <giesen> that way if Im not getting any prefixes
[13-Jun-2007 14:00:06] <giesen> or a low amount
[13-Jun-2007 14:00:09] <giesen> something's wrong with that peer
[13-Jun-2007 14:00:46] <Aziraphale> giesen: Hmmmm
[13-Jun-2007 14:00:50] <Aziraphale> plugin
[13-Jun-2007 14:01:13] <Aziraphale> could be done
[13-Jun-2007 14:02:20] <giesen> well I know if you have the right IOS
[13-Jun-2007 14:02:22] <Aziraphale> how many peers do you have?
[13-Jun-2007 14:02:57] <Aziraphale> any BGP device should export the BGP4-MIB
[13-Jun-2007 14:04:33] <giesen> dunno
[13-Jun-2007 14:04:34] <giesen> 50 or so
[13-Jun-2007 14:04:38] <giesen> maybe a few more
[13-Jun-2007 14:04:51] <Aziraphale> ah, no point in doing it manually then
[13-Jun-2007 14:04:55] <giesen> yeah
[13-Jun-2007 14:05:00] <giesen> I actually did do it manually
[13-Jun-2007 14:05:02] <giesen> but it was a pain
[13-Jun-2007 14:05:10] <Aziraphale> ugh
[13-Jun-2007 14:05:16] <giesen> so it's be kinda nice if zenoss could discover it
[13-Jun-2007 14:05:17] <Aziraphale> wouldn't have the patience
[13-Jun-2007 14:05:56] <giesen> my version of IOS will export the routes
[13-Jun-2007 14:06:01] <giesen> just not an actual count of prefixes
[13-Jun-2007 14:06:14] <Aziraphale> hmm, the way I read the mib there is a bgpPeer and a bgpPathAttr table
[13-Jun-2007 14:06:35] <Aziraphale> not necessarily linked
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[13-Jun-2007 14:07:42] <Aziraphale> I see. the mib just doesn't give it
[13-Jun-2007 14:09:05] <Aziraphale> I don't think trying to collect the bgp4PathAttrTable is a good idea
[13-Jun-2007 14:09:22] <Aziraphale> even in my case that's 400,000 rows
[13-Jun-2007 14:09:38] <Aziraphale> 440,000 even
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[13-Jun-2007 14:18:00] <giesen> yeah
[13-Jun-2007 14:18:05] <giesen> there's supposedly a mib
[13-Jun-2007 14:18:16] <giesen> that just gives you a total of the prefixes received for each peer
[13-Jun-2007 14:18:35] <giesen> rather than having to walk the treet and count the rows
[13-Jun-2007 14:18:41] <giesen> *tree
[13-Jun-2007 14:18:56] <Aziraphale> hmm, that I'd be interested in...
[13-Jun-2007 14:19:23] <giesen> and cisco supports it on later IOS revisions
[13-Jun-2007 14:19:35] <giesen> unfortunately the code on my routers is like 1 revision too early
[13-Jun-2007 14:20:48] <Aziraphale> I see. BGP-MIBv2
[13-Jun-2007 14:21:03] <Aziraphale> which I have for the junis but it's empty
[13-Jun-2007 14:21:08] <scrip> haz zenoss 2.0 worked smoothly for anyone here? I'm getting all kinds of problems running it. Ajax interface doesn't work (under Firefox) and the zope backend keeps giving me weird database issues
[13-Jun-2007 14:22:23] <monrad> the only problems i had with 2.0 is zenmodeler giving me segmentation faults and a few database issues
[13-Jun-2007 14:23:10] <giesen> scrip: Firefox under windows or *nix
[13-Jun-2007 14:23:24] <giesen> I think Zenoss 2.0 is finally working for me
[13-Jun-2007 14:23:27] <giesen> other than one small bug
[13-Jun-2007 14:23:49] <giesen> and the total lack of a usable interface under IE
[13-Jun-2007 14:24:52] <scrip> firefox under nix
[13-Jun-2007 14:25:32] <giesen> I think there's problems under nix
[13-Jun-2007 14:25:34] <giesen> and tickets open
[13-Jun-2007 14:25:40] <giesen> under windows it seems to be fine
[13-Jun-2007 14:25:53] <Dislo> J-Bob, hey sorry about that i am working on getting some front end stuff working for zenoss. are you still out there?
[13-Jun-2007 14:27:22] <Dislo> J-Bob, if you are here are the errors i am getting
[13-Jun-2007 14:27:36] <Dislo> J-Bob, http://pastebin.ca/564744
[13-Jun-2007 14:27:36] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Dislo - post number 564744 (at pastebin.ca)
[13-Jun-2007 14:29:48] <scrip> so... why was 2.0 released then?
[13-Jun-2007 14:30:05] <scrip> it still seems REALLY unstable compared to the 1.2 branch
[13-Jun-2007 14:30:10] <scrip> will 1.2 be maintained at all?
[13-Jun-2007 14:34:36] <J-Bob> Dislo: I took a look and got other eyes on your errors. What version are you trying to run?
[13-Jun-2007 14:36:08] <J-Bob> Dislo: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/1624
[13-Jun-2007 14:36:08] <adytum-bot> Title: #1624 (pynetsnmp error in FreeBSD) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[13-Jun-2007 14:39:21] <Dislo> J-Bob, i am using version 2.0.0 on a gentoo install
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[13-Jun-2007 15:02:47] <litein> how can i export my data from zenoss vm appl 1.1.1 to zenoss vm appl 2.0
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[13-Jun-2007 15:33:50] <WirelessWAN> is there documentation on upgrading from 1.97 beta to 2.00 release? I looked and all the migration documents seem to only apply to 1.1.x?
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[13-Jun-2007 15:38:24] <NolanG> Hi all
[13-Jun-2007 15:39:25] <J-Bob> NolanG: Greetings =)
[13-Jun-2007 15:40:20] <NolanG> I'm wondering if someone could give me a little info - I've got ZenOSS 2.0, and whenever I try to model any box at all, I get messages that say: no cmd plugins found for (boxname), no snmp plugins found for (boxname), no portscan plugins found for (boxname). The scantime usually takes about 0.01 seconds, making me think something is not working right.
[13-Jun-2007 15:40:35] <NolanG> Obviously I am new to ZenOSS, still trying to figure this all out
[13-Jun-2007 15:42:33] <WirelessWAN> I guess what I'm asking is: Is it safe to run appliance_update.sh to upgrade to go from 1.97 beta to 2.00 release?
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[13-Jun-2007 15:43:27] <J-Bob> NolanG: dumb question..can you snmpwalk from the Zenoss server to the device to be discovered?
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[13-Jun-2007 15:43:53] <NolanG> I could earlier, let me double check
[13-Jun-2007 15:44:06] <WirelessWAN> I'd like to keep the SNMP data for the last month if possible
[13-Jun-2007 15:44:08] <NolanG> J-Bob: Yes, snmp walk works fine
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[13-Jun-2007 15:46:51] <J-Bob> NolanG: if you got to the device page for the device and click on the down arrow, then select More-->zProperties, is the correct read community name in the field called: zSnmpCommunity
[13-Jun-2007 15:48:13] <NolanG> Yep, and that's the same snmp community string that snmpwalk is using - I'm using snmpwalk through the ZenOSS menu, so I am sure that that is pulling the string from the zProperties settings
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[13-Jun-2007 15:49:54] <Aziraphale> anyone know about the structure how a mib is stored in the database?
[13-Jun-2007 15:51:28] <Aziraphale> I've a mib that zenmib can't import for some reason
[13-Jun-2007 15:53:26] <J-Bob> NolanG: have you moved your device to a different class...appropriate to the type of device?
[13-Jun-2007 15:53:43] <J-Bob> NolanG: then try to model it?
[13-Jun-2007 15:53:46] <NolanG> J-Bob: This may be related - the zenstatus daemon won't run. It gives me this error in the log: ERROR zen.ZenStatus: iteration over non-sequence
[13-Jun-2007 15:53:53] <NolanG> J-Bob: Nope, let me try that
[13-Jun-2007 15:55:04] <NolanG> J-Bob: Maybe I need to set up some different classes. All I have for classes are / and /Discovered
[13-Jun-2007 15:55:45] <J-Bob> There should be some default classes like Network and Server
[13-Jun-2007 15:56:30] <J-Bob> click on classes-->devices from the dashboard
[13-Jun-2007 15:57:18] <NolanG> This is a 2.0 install from RPM on a CentOS 4 box... I am pretty sure I didn't delete any default classes of any kind
[13-Jun-2007 15:58:15] <NolanG> should I try uninstalling the RPM and reinstalling it to see if those classes get recreated?
[13-Jun-2007 15:59:36] <J-Bob> I am checking my 2.0 VM to see what is there....
[13-Jun-2007 15:59:49] <NolanG> ok, thanks
[13-Jun-2007 16:02:35] <J-Bob> NolanG: my 2.0 VM, which I haven't touched except for reference has 7 default device classes
[13-Jun-2007 16:02:53] <NolanG> ok, let me just try starting over
[13-Jun-2007 16:02:59] <NolanG> maybe I screwed something up and didn't know it
[13-Jun-2007 16:03:18] <J-Bob> If I click on devices under the classes heading, I get a page that lists them
[13-Jun-2007 16:03:48] <NolanG> On mine, there wasn't anything there (that I can remember) until I tried auto-discovery, then a "Discovered" class appeared
[13-Jun-2007 16:04:07] <J-Bob> Bizarre...
[13-Jun-2007 16:04:36] <NolanG> But who knows, I ran into zope database corruption on my first install as well, so that could have affected this whole thing
[13-Jun-2007 16:05:46] <Aziraphale> gack
[13-Jun-2007 16:06:42] <Aziraphale> if I do smidump -fpython -p mib-jnx-smi.txt mib-jnx-exp.txt mib-jnx-ipv4.txt
[13-Jun-2007 16:06:57] <Aziraphale> I get a valid dump
[13-Jun-2007 16:07:13] <Aziraphale> if I do the same out of zenmib, I get a segfault?
[13-Jun-2007 16:07:19] <J-Bob> NolanG: Wow..might be. I hate partial functionality...tricks you into thinking everything is okay when it is not
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[13-Jun-2007 16:17:04] <J-Bob> Aziraphale: have you looked at this contrib from the community >> http://www.webaj.com/how-setup-environmental-monitor-zenoss-1-1-2-and-centos-5-0.htm
[13-Jun-2007 16:17:04] <adytum-bot> Title: How to setup a environmental monitor in Zenoss 1.1.2 and Centos 5.0 | webAJ.com (at www.webaj.com)
[13-Jun-2007 16:17:18] <J-Bob> \alias J-BobAFK
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[13-Jun-2007 16:19:08] <Aziraphale> Wohooo
[13-Jun-2007 16:19:14] <Aziraphale> I fixed zenmib
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[13-Jun-2007 16:20:31] <J-BobAFK> Aziraphale: w00t \o/
[13-Jun-2007 16:20:50] <Aziraphale> J-BobAFK: little switch - big effect
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[13-Jun-2007 16:44:24] <NolanG> J-Bob: Removing the RPM, deleting the /opt/zenoss directory, and dropping the "events" table from the MySQL db fixed the problem - I can now see all the classes again.
[13-Jun-2007 16:44:35] <NolanG> Also, I think I found a bug in the initial install script...
[13-Jun-2007 16:50:32] <NolanG> It appears that after the install of the RPM, ZenOSS isn't fully initialized. When you run service zenoss start, that starts ZenOSS, and the init script checks to see if ZenOSS needs to be setup. At the end of the script, it does some stuff where it connects to the locally running zope server. The problem is that if you run service zenoss status, it still tries to initialize zenoss, but it ever starts ZenOSS, so those final steps
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[13-Jun-2007 17:12:20] <scrip> I have a couple questions about the INSTALL.txt included with zenoss 1.2.2
[13-Jun-2007 17:12:39] <scrip> it says to configure zenperfsnmp.conf with the username and password
[13-Jun-2007 17:13:31] <scrip> username and password to what? the mysql database? it shouldn't need a username and password to write the RRD files or ZEODB objects should it?
[13-Jun-2007 17:13:58] <scrip> also, it says to start zenping as root
[13-Jun-2007 17:14:12] <scrip> I can do that, but does that need to happen every time I start zenping?
[13-Jun-2007 17:18:28] <rkagin> I have a quick question if anyone can answer it - I'm fairly sure that ZenOSS can discover routers not configured for SNMP. However, looking through zendisc.py, it seems that it only discovers through SNMP or throws an exception. How does ZenOSS discover without SNMP? Is it in another file or am I missing something?
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[13-Jun-2007 17:30:16] <NolanG> So zenoss 2.0 by default pings to find a target, then uses SNMP to try to get more information about that host. How can I configure it to use WMI as well?
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[13-Jun-2007 18:27:14] <WirelessWAN> scrip, I think when the talk about the username and password for zenperfsnmp they mean the community string for SNMP V1 and V2 or the username and the password for V3
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[13-Jun-2007 18:29:56] <scrip> wirelesswan: but isn't that all set in the zProperties?
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[13-Jun-2007 18:56:20] <scrip> does the class of a device (/Network/Router, /Server/Linux etc) effect anything besides whech zproperties and perfconf are used/inherited?
[13-Jun-2007 18:56:46] <scrip> I created my own class, /VoIP/gateway, to track some devices and set all the zproperties to appropriate values
[13-Jun-2007 18:57:36] <scrip> I remember seeing that ssh monitoring "only worker with linux servers" somewhere, as if zenoss could only make it work if the device was classified as /Server/Linux
[13-Jun-2007 18:57:43] <scrip> are there other parts of zenoss like this?
[13-Jun-2007 19:02:06] <WirelessWAN> scrip, each class has attributes that are inherited from the parent, these can be overwritten by making a copy of the attributes and editing them on the child
[13-Jun-2007 19:03:25] <scrip> wirelesswan: OK, I've read what pittifully small amount of documentation is available and I researched nagios before I tried zenoss, I understand that
[13-Jun-2007 19:03:58] <scrip> for some reason, zenoss just dies with a backtrace and no usefull errors to a non python-developer when I'm trying to do things
[13-Jun-2007 19:04:21] <scrip> I install, it sorta works, I try running my own script against it that uses REST calls to add devices, and then zenoss stops working
[13-Jun-2007 19:04:41] <scrip> I can add the devices by hand, and it works
[13-Jun-2007 19:04:49] <scrip> with a REST call from the zenoss box, no luch
[13-Jun-2007 19:04:52] <scrip> *luck
[13-Jun-2007 19:05:27] <scrip> and I HAVE to specify the snmp community string in the device when I add it, even if I classify the device and that class has the community string set
[13-Jun-2007 19:06:16] <scrip> so, it looks like I'm back to rolling my own monitoring software because the zenoss project is still a long way off from being stable or well documented
[13-Jun-2007 19:18:56] <WirelessWAN> scrip, have you read the 109 page administrator's guide, that seemed pretty comprehensive to me and took me a while to digest
[13-Jun-2007 19:19:42] <WirelessWAN> the only tweak I did was run the discovery with nice -20 so that the SQL database could keep up
[13-Jun-2007 19:20:52] <WirelessWAN> ..and give the VM 1.3 Gig of RAM instead of .3 (I've got multiple /16s to discover and manage)
[13-Jun-2007 19:21:50] <scrip> wirelesswan: that guide is crap, its a quickstart and doesn't go into sufficient detail about anything I'm trying to do
[13-Jun-2007 19:22:13] <scrip> wirelesswan: ok, thats a little harsh, it IS a good quickstart guide
[13-Jun-2007 19:22:20] <scrip> it is NOT a full administrators guide
[13-Jun-2007 19:25:03] <WirelessWAN> just so we are clear, you are talking about the Admin Guide from http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/zenoss/ZenossAdminGuide2-0.pdf
[13-Jun-2007 19:25:48] <WirelessWAN> and not the quickstart guide from http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/zenoss/ZenossQStart-1.0.pdf
[13-Jun-2007 19:25:57] <scrip> wirelesswan: nope, that 109 page one, that first link
[13-Jun-2007 19:26:19] <scrip> oh, wait, thats a new manual for 2.0
[13-Jun-2007 19:26:23] <scrip> but I can't use 2.0 anyway
[13-Jun-2007 19:26:24] <WirelessWAN> it's now up to 181 pages
[13-Jun-2007 19:26:31] <scrip> but I've read the equivilant one for 1.1.2
[13-Jun-2007 19:28:03] <WirelessWAN> have you looked at this? http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/add-device/
[13-Jun-2007 19:28:03] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[13-Jun-2007 19:28:04] <WirelessWAN> they talk about adding via REST
[13-Jun-2007 19:28:04] <scrip> yes, thats what I'm trying to do
[13-Jun-2007 19:28:21] <scrip> I've been reading all the docs and howtos I can get my hands on for the last 3 weeks trying to integrate zenoss with our network
[13-Jun-2007 19:28:34] <scrip> thats the exact howto I've worked from]
[13-Jun-2007 19:28:54] <scrip> and a url formated like that now causes a zope db error when adding the device
[13-Jun-2007 19:30:56] <scrip> I'm going to take a final shot at it tomorrow I guess, full reinstall
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[13-Jun-2007 19:31:41] <WirelessWAN> I like the VM version since I can take snapshots and "undo"
[13-Jun-2007 19:32:13] <WirelessWAN> if you have snmp, can't you just do a discovery instead of REST inserts?
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[13-Jun-2007 22:32:34] <solarce> oh cool, there is a channel
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[13-Jun-2007 22:34:10] <solarce> I've been meaning to check out zenoss for a while, and am just now getting to it, how's the autodiscovery? I've been using nmap + perl glue to output xml files that I add details to
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[13-Jun-2007 22:34:57] <solarce> err, s/xml/xls
[13-Jun-2007 22:36:15] <J-Bob> solarce: welcome. Zenoss does discovery by subnet (ping sweep) or you can use a URL or XML-RPC interface to load lists of devices and specify device attributes as variables
[13-Jun-2007 22:36:48] <solarce> so it can't do service detection?
[13-Jun-2007 22:37:53] <J-Bob> solarce: sorry I was speaking of device discovery in a general sense...yes zenoss does service discovery
[13-Jun-2007 22:38:16] <solarce> nice
[13-Jun-2007 22:38:28] <solarce> and thanks for the welcome
[13-Jun-2007 22:38:31] <J-Bob> plus if you set up custom monitors for non-standard ports and such, it will be detected on all devices
[13-Jun-2007 22:38:56] <J-Bob> If you do kick the tires, pop in here with questions or hit the zenoss-users list.
[13-Jun-2007 22:39:19] <solarce> I'm going to, I have vmware server and the rpath appliance downloading right now
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[13-Jun-2007 22:40:12] <solarce> I'm hoping it will be a great replacement for my current setup, which is serversalive + some custom software for the platform at the place I work for monitoring and nmap + manual entry for inventory :>
[13-Jun-2007 22:41:14] <J-Bob> solarce: I think the big initial benefit will be quick startup and less upkeep =)
[13-Jun-2007 22:42:28] <solarce>
[13-Jun-2007 22:44:17] <solarce> bbl
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[14-Jun-2007 04:52:15] <Farhod> have some used zenoss beta release of 2 version?
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[14-Jun-2007 06:02:48] <Cr4z3> hi just having some problems starting zen again after a reboot
[14-Jun-2007 06:03:10] <Cr4z3> basically its having problems connecting back to mysql can't work out why though.
[14-Jun-2007 06:03:59] <Cr4z3> getting the following error: "Access denied for user 'zenoss'@'localhost' "
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[14-Jun-2007 06:19:07] <thefoo> I've added a Cisco router, but it's only doing graphs for cpu use and free memory. Why doesn't it graph interface performance too?
[14-Jun-2007 06:19:22] <thefoo> It has all the interfaces listed under "OS"
[14-Jun-2007 06:19:50] <Cr4z3> what model foo?
[14-Jun-2007 06:20:32] <thefoo> 3725
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[14-Jun-2007 06:29:57] <thefoo> so no ideas then?
[14-Jun-2007 06:30:05] <thefoo> seems like a fairly basic requirement to em
[14-Jun-2007 06:30:07] <thefoo> me
[14-Jun-2007 06:30:08] <Cr4z3> yeh i had the same issue with a 878
[14-Jun-2007 06:30:22] <Cr4z3> just fixing my sql issue and i'll be able 2 help u
[14-Jun-2007 06:30:31] <Cr4z3> basically you'll need to create a new template
[14-Jun-2007 06:31:02] <Cr4z3> and specify the OID's that are needed to monitor a particular string
[14-Jun-2007 06:31:11] <Cr4z3> what interfaces are there on the 3725?
[14-Jun-2007 06:32:27] <thefoo> Fa0/0, 0/1, 1/0 and 1/1
[14-Jun-2007 06:32:34] <Cr4z3> oh
[14-Jun-2007 06:32:41] <Cr4z3> it should be monitoring that by default.
[14-Jun-2007 06:32:51] <thefoo> strange they are listed under OS not hardware
[14-Jun-2007 06:32:53] <Cr4z3> i thought perhaps it would be a sub-interface on a serial or atm
[14-Jun-2007 06:32:58] <thefoo> oh no
[14-Jun-2007 06:33:06] <thefoo> like I said, this is basic stuff
[14-Jun-2007 06:33:40] <thefoo> I also have a Linux box which, since restarting zenoss, it thinks http died on
[14-Jun-2007 06:33:47] <thefoo> which it hasn't else I would be fixing it
[14-Jun-2007 06:33:58] <thefoo> not going well todya
[14-Jun-2007 06:34:30] <thefoo> I might delete / add again
[14-Jun-2007 06:34:52] <thefoo> it didn't like the snmpwalk getting 2x full route tables either
[14-Jun-2007 06:35:00] <thefoo> even though I told it to not get it
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[14-Jun-2007 06:39:39] <thefoo> oh ffs
[14-Jun-2007 06:39:54] <thefoo> who it God's name decided that when adding a Cisco router to get the routeMap?
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[14-Jun-2007 06:40:05] <thefoo> it's HUGE
[14-Jun-2007 06:40:08] <thefoo> and times out
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[14-Jun-2007 06:55:09] <thefoo> heh
[14-Jun-2007 06:55:26] <thefoo> I just added a cisco switch. it found all the interfaces but hasn't created any graphs
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[14-Jun-2007 07:10:21] <J-BobAFK> thefoo: You can disable RouteMap for any or all devices
[14-Jun-2007 07:11:01] <J-BobAFK> thefoo: you should be getting graps for your interfaces if you click the link on them
[14-Jun-2007 07:11:36] <J-BobAFK> thefoo: the graphs take a few minutes to render, but you should see place holders for them
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[14-Jun-2007 07:21:54] <thefoo> there are no placeholders for the switch
[14-Jun-2007 07:22:17] <thefoo> and I tried to disable the RouteMap before, it has returned and prevents the adding of our routers as they time out
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[14-Jun-2007 09:24:27] <Atomic-Punk> is there any way to replicate the 'passive' functionality of Nagios? specifically, triggering an alert if NO update from an application has been received in a certain time period?
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[14-Jun-2007 09:53:11] <thefoo> if you can see graph under individual OS interfaces, why don't they appear under the "Perf" tab ?
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[14-Jun-2007 10:03:11] <knutin> Will Zenoss Core 2 work with version 5.0.18 of the mysql server?
[14-Jun-2007 10:04:12] <Farhod> what can be the problem I am using zenoss 2 release and when I use auto discover for network I get an error =/
[14-Jun-2007 10:04:26] <Farhod> but with zenoss user in comand line every thing is ok
[14-Jun-2007 10:08:06] <thefoo> I'm getting the general impression zenoss has quite a long way to go before it's usable
[14-Jun-2007 10:08:15] <thefoo> it's just to complicated or otherwise buggy
[14-Jun-2007 10:09:20] <solarce> I think the auto discovery is lacking, but nothing that can't be made up with nmap and some perl or xslt glue to shove data in via the xmlrpc interface
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[14-Jun-2007 10:14:59] <Robbadub> Howdy
[14-Jun-2007 10:15:21] <J-Bob> Greetings =)
[14-Jun-2007 10:15:38] <thefoo> solarce: I'd like them to fix the basics
[14-Jun-2007 10:15:55] <Robbadub> Sounds like I'm on the rite channel
[14-Jun-2007 10:16:01] <thefoo> I mean, I've got two Cisco devices here, and neither has interface graphs under the "Perf" tab
[14-Jun-2007 10:16:05] <thefoo> thats insane
[14-Jun-2007 10:16:22] <thefoo> they all got found and put under "OS" instead
[14-Jun-2007 10:20:58] <Robbadub> They were under OS tab before
[14-Jun-2007 10:21:16] <Robbadub> Can anyone tell me more about the MIB situation?
[14-Jun-2007 10:21:24] <J-Bob> thefoo: the interface graphs are accessed by clicking on the interface itself....not the perf tab
[14-Jun-2007 10:21:46] <J-Bob> the perf tab is for hardware cpu / memory type things
[14-Jun-2007 10:21:48] * thefoo looks surprised
[14-Jun-2007 10:22:53] <thefoo> so when I need to quickly view the traffic loads across my switch ports, I can't see them under the performance tab?
[14-Jun-2007 10:24:23] <J-Bob> No you have to access the interfaces themselves. You could create an aggregate report of all switch ports, but it would have to be hacked together. You can also drag the util graps for individual ports to create a new page with all those graphs
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[14-Jun-2007 10:27:05] <Robbadub> J-Bob
[14-Jun-2007 10:27:14] <J-Bob> Robbadub: yup?
[14-Jun-2007 10:27:17] <Robbadub> Do you have time to elaborate on MIB with me?
[14-Jun-2007 10:28:11] <thefoo> well that's just counter-intuitive
[14-Jun-2007 10:28:45] <thefoo> even cacti knows to produce a page listing the graphs for all services on a device
[14-Jun-2007 10:29:40] <J-Bob> Robbadub: I can try
[14-Jun-2007 10:30:14] <Robbadub> OWkee. Just to check some assumption
[14-Jun-2007 10:30:16] <Robbadub> s
[14-Jun-2007 10:30:39] <Robbadub> I have a Dell PowerConnect 5324 and I downloaded the MIBs
[14-Jun-2007 10:31:10] <J-Bob> thefoo: for sure a different take on graphing. You can probably do what you want, but it will take some customizing. Maintaining Zenoss in general is easier than Cacti
[14-Jun-2007 10:31:20] <J-Bob> Robbadub: okay
[14-Jun-2007 10:31:38] <Robbadub> I uploaded the MIBS'(57 files) to the $ZENHOME/share/mibs/site folder
[14-Jun-2007 10:31:53] <Robbadub> I run: zenmib run mibfile
[14-Jun-2007 10:32:14] <Robbadub> but zenmib doesn't work and complains about a functions folder
[14-Jun-2007 10:32:52] <Robbadub> Q1: Do I need to upload all the MIB files or just specific ones in order to fully model mu Powerconnect device?
[14-Jun-2007 10:33:06] <Robbadub> Q2: Is this the rite procedure to get the MIBS in
[14-Jun-2007 10:33:31] <Robbadub> Q3: Doe the MIB's get automatically assigned to the device or do I have to do this myself?
[14-Jun-2007 10:33:58] <Robbadub> Tanks 4 your time
[14-Jun-2007 10:34:15] <Robbadub> Bu I suppose you prefer thanks ;-)
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[14-Jun-2007 10:36:20] <J-Bob> Robbadub: you have to load the mibs in Zenoss to get properly formatted traps. If you just want to set up data collection then you can just copy the files to the netsnmp directory on the zenoss server. If the devices have fairly standard OIDs for performance stats they should just work when you put them in the /Devices/Network/Switches class and remodel
[14-Jun-2007 10:36:56] <Robbadub> K
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[14-Jun-2007 10:38:17] <Robbadub> The netsnmp folder is this one? /opt/zenoss/lib/python/pynetsnmp
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[14-Jun-2007 10:41:12] <J-Bob> /usr/share/snmp/mibs
[14-Jun-2007 10:41:26] <J-Bob> you should change the filenames from .mib to .txt...no change to the file
[14-Jun-2007 10:42:40] <J-Bob> Robbadub: do an snmpwalk of your device before adding the files, then after...you should see more descriptive OIDs
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[14-Jun-2007 10:44:50] <Robbadub> OK
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[14-Jun-2007 10:58:25] <Robbadub> Thanks 4 your time once again
[14-Jun-2007 10:59:09] <J-Bob> Robbadub: you bet. I am on most of the time and my cohort cluther has his ears on most of the time. Plus hit the zenoss-users list as needed.
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[14-Jun-2007 12:16:43] <monrad> just made my first zenoss ticket
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[14-Jun-2007 13:24:47] <andrew_p> is a good howto on configuring event alerting in zenoss available somewhere on the web?
[14-Jun-2007 13:24:57] <andrew_p> or any howto at all
[14-Jun-2007 13:25:59] <cluther_> andrew_p: Have you looked at the Admin Guide? There is a chapter in there on Alerting Rules.
[14-Jun-2007 13:27:11] <andrew_p> cluther_: yes, but i need rather an insight on setting up the event monitoring. Admin Guide is not very clear about that. i created several ip services and os processes to monitor, defined alerting rules. still not getting any alerts
[14-Jun-2007 13:28:02] <cluther_> Check the zenactions log file. It will tell you if it is trying to send the alerts.
[14-Jun-2007 13:28:20] <andrew_p> then i mapped EventClass'es i am interested in to defaultmapping and sketched a text message for this default mapping - no luck.. do i need to create an event instance for the device somehow?
[14-Jun-2007 13:28:29] <andrew_p> cluther_: ok...
[14-Jun-2007 13:28:51] <cluther_> I think the most common problem is that Zenoss tries to send the emails and they get rejected by the mail server due to an invalid sender address.
[14-Jun-2007 13:29:54] <andrew_p> cluther_: it sends a test email well...
[14-Jun-2007 13:30:20] <cluther_> ok, that's a good sign.
[14-Jun-2007 13:30:29] <andrew_p> cluther_: in zenactions.log there all records are saying "processed 0 rules" or "processed 0 commands"
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[14-Jun-2007 13:30:34] <cluther_> So these events aren't even showing up in the event console?
[14-Jun-2007 13:30:43] <andrew_p> cluther_: they do show up
[14-Jun-2007 13:30:47] <cluther_> Ok,, good..
[14-Jun-2007 13:30:59] <cluther_> The real key here is the "processed 0 rules"
[14-Jun-2007 13:31:26] <cluther_> For some reason it isn't even processing the alerting rules you've created. I hate asking this question, but did you set the "Enabled" = True?
[14-Jun-2007 13:32:18] <andrew_p> cluther_: yes. Delay (secs) = 0, Enabled = True, Action = email, where Severity >= Info and Production State = Production
[14-Jun-2007 13:32:33] <cluther_> Try restarting the zenactions daemon, then look to see if it processes more than 0 rules.
[14-Jun-2007 13:37:07] <andrew_p> cluther_: still zero. in past, i tried restarting all daemons and it did not change anything
[14-Jun-2007 13:37:53] <cluther_> Doh.. I always forget about this one little tid bit.
[14-Jun-2007 13:38:17] <cluther_> alerting rules for the default admin user aren't used. Create an actual user and put the alerting rules on it.
[14-Jun-2007 13:38:36] <andrew_p> cluther_: haha.. great, thanks
[14-Jun-2007 13:38:42] <andrew_p> i think i had this idea in the past...
[14-Jun-2007 13:44:30] <andrew_p> it's a different pair of shoes
what are event mappings for in a few words?[14-Jun-2007 13:53:59] <cluther_> andrew_p: dressing up events to make them more appropriate, whatever your definition of that is.
[14-Jun-2007 13:54:51] <cluther_> At the most simple level, your move the events to different classes so instead of being /Unknown they are /Net/Link..
[14-Jun-2007 13:55:00] <andrew_p> cluther_: ok, thanks
[14-Jun-2007 13:55:32] <cluther_> cluther_: You can change anything about an event, the text that is displayed, the severity, or arbitrary attributes. You can even change the deduplication behavior if you'd like to combine multiple events into one.
[14-Jun-2007 13:56:01] <rkagin> To anyone who can help me: I'm currently going to the zenoss code learning more about how zenoss monitors devices; where in the code does it determine what type of device it is and thus what sort of checks it does (i.e. where does the code delineate between routers, switches, servers, etc.)?
[14-Jun-2007 14:01:01] <andrew_p> rkagin: does it?
[14-Jun-2007 14:01:43] <cluther_> rkagin: It is based upon the performance templates that are assigned to an object's device class, or the device itself.
[14-Jun-2007 14:02:29] <andrew_p> rkagin: yep. it comes with hardcoded templates, lets you define your own, but does not have the intelligence you mean
[14-Jun-2007 14:04:02] <rkagin> I guess I was under the impression that certain data was collected from certain devices depending on their type. The hardcoded templates - where are they located in the code? I'm perusing zenoss's trac now.
[14-Jun-2007 14:04:54] <cluther_> The templates aren't in the code. They are in the object database. The class they instantiate from the code is RRDTemplate
[14-Jun-2007 14:05:13] <cluther_> Should be in Products/ZenModel
[14-Jun-2007 14:06:45] <rkagin> cluther_: Thanks. And then I assume the MIBs are the ones setup in $ZENHOME/share/snmp/mibs ?
[14-Jun-2007 14:07:16] <cluther_> rkagin: When you run zenmib, it imports any MIBs under $ZENHOME/share/mibs that weren't previously imported.
[14-Jun-2007 14:09:18] <rkagin> cluther_: Ok. And then the templates in the database created for different types of devices choose certain MIBs to monitor?
[14-Jun-2007 14:09:35] <rkagin> [provided that different templates were created for different types of devices]
[14-Jun-2007 14:09:55] <cluther_> rkagin: Actually, MIBs and templates aren't linked in any way. MIBs are only used for translated SNMP traps into english.
[14-Jun-2007 14:10:09] <cluther_> rkagin: The raw OIDs are used inside the template definitions.
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[14-Jun-2007 14:12:12] <rkagin> cluther_: I guess my knowledge from reading up on the code is more limited than I thought. All MIBs enabled then are used for all devices, or is there a preference that you can choose which MIBs are used to translate certain traps (or is there a preference that allows you to choose which traps are generated for which type of devices)?
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[14-Jun-2007 14:25:57] <rkagin> cluther_: My understanding comes from Device.py's getDataSourceOptions()'s comment about how it returns the same value every time - does this mean that the characteristics monitored on routers vs. servers vs. switches are all the same?
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[14-Jun-2007 15:23:10] <qru> Should the discovery of a /24 take hours with maybe 50 devices (routers) on the network?
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[14-Jun-2007 15:46:10] <rkagin> I've been looking around in code and in the forums - I thought there was a difference in the way routers vs. servers vs. switches were monitored, but I can't seem to find anything that indicates this. If there are differences, where are these?
[14-Jun-2007 15:57:36] <cluther> qru: Definitely not. Do these routers have full BGP views?
[14-Jun-2007 15:58:50] <cluther> rkagin: Things are monitored depending on what components are discovered on them, and depending on what performance templates are applied to these components.. an example..
[14-Jun-2007 15:59:20] <cluther> rkagin: You have a Cisco router.. after Zenoss discovers it, you move it to the /Devices/Network/Router/Cisco device class.
[14-Jun-2007 16:00:05] <cluther> The zProperties of /Devices/Network/Router/Cisco say that Interfaces and Routes should be modeled on them. (zCollectorPlugins)
[14-Jun-2007 16:00:25] <cluther> So the Zenoss CMDB (configuration management database) learns about all of the interfaces and routes.
[14-Jun-2007 16:00:37] <cluther> Routes can't really be monitored, so they're only stored as configuration information.
[14-Jun-2007 16:01:22] <Aziraphale> cluther: they will if I ever get around to writing my bgpmib-2 plugin
[14-Jun-2007 16:05:48] <cluther> Interfaces automatically get the ethernetCsmacd applied to them, which will monitor throughput, packets and errors.
[14-Jun-2007 16:06:24] <cluther> Aziraphale: What do you want it to do?
[14-Jun-2007 16:06:49] <cluther> I'm only half here.. so please pardon my unresponsiveness.
[14-Jun-2007 16:07:20] <Aziraphale> cluther: collect BGP peers and stats (prefixes received/accepted/rejected) for them
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[14-Jun-2007 16:07:48] <cluther> Aziraphale: That would be really cool... hmm.
[14-Jun-2007 16:08:36] <Aziraphale> structure of the mib is similar to the way interfaces are handled, so was thinking of adapting InterfaceMap
[14-Jun-2007 16:08:55] <cluther> Aziraphale: I've built a couple of things that fit that mold.. dhcp pools, mail queues..
[14-Jun-2007 16:09:04] <Aziraphale> need the collector plugin howto, though
[14-Jun-2007 16:09:10] <cluther> Aziraphale: How's your zenfu?
[14-Jun-2007 16:09:31] <Aziraphale> cluther: middling
[14-Jun-2007 16:09:36] <Aziraphale> not a developer, me
[14-Jun-2007 16:10:53] <cluther> Aziraphale: Could you collect all of the interesting OIDs from the MIB into a nice little description?
[14-Jun-2007 16:11:15] <cluther> Aziraphale: Describe what columns you'd like to see in the BGP Peers table on the OS tab?
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[14-Jun-2007 16:11:33] <cluther> Aziraphale: .. and the data points you'd like graphed?
[14-Jun-2007 16:11:37] <Aziraphale> cluther: yeah, guess so
[14-Jun-2007 16:11:51] <Aziraphale> seeing as I've done some of it manually already
[14-Jun-2007 16:12:31] <cluther> Aziraphale: If you email that to me I could put it together.. would be a good example of all of the integration points.
[14-Jun-2007 16:12:53] <cluther> data collecter, performance template, ui..
[14-Jun-2007 16:12:57] <Aziraphale> right so, I'll get into that
[14-Jun-2007 16:13:03] <cluther> I'm cluther@zenoss.com
[14-Jun-2007 16:14:04] <Aziraphale> got it
[14-Jun-2007 16:15:35] <Aziraphale> actually, problem is that the mib is a) experimental and b) proprietary, so it'll only work for Junipers
[14-Jun-2007 16:16:07] <Aziraphale> I think Cisco might have one too for the bigger routers, haven't seen that yet
[14-Jun-2007 16:16:16] <Aziraphale> chances are it's all different
[14-Jun-2007 16:17:13] <Aziraphale> I do think it'll be an ietf standard eventually
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[14-Jun-2007 16:19:06] <rkagin> cluther: Sorry for the delay - was looking through other code and trying to understand things better. So essentially the zproperties of each category (i.e. Network/Router/Cisco/) determine what is monitored? What's the file that parses the zproperties of the category and does the checks every few minutes (and I assume zentrap.py collects the traps as a result of these tests)?
[14-Jun-2007 16:19:20] <cluther> Aziraphale: Might be hard for me to test it..
[14-Jun-2007 16:19:45] <Aziraphale> cluther: also not the best example for a doc seeing as it's so specialist
[14-Jun-2007 16:19:59] <qru> cluther: No BGP. EIGRP.
[14-Jun-2007 16:20:20] <Aziraphale> somebody actually uses that?
[14-Jun-2007 16:20:36] <cluther> rkagin: Separate modeling and monitoring from each other in your thoughts. the zCollectorPlugins determine what aspects of a device get modeled. The templates determine what aspects get monitored.
[14-Jun-2007 16:20:45] <cluther> Aziraphale: heh.. you'd be surprised.
[14-Jun-2007 16:23:03] <Aziraphale> cluther: don't think I've ever seen a live instance of EIGRP
[14-Jun-2007 16:23:09] <rkagin> cluther: Ok, so once a device is fully modeled, service checks get sent out every few minutes (which checks are determined by the template for the category) and the resulting traps get picked up by zentrap.py (?). Is the template actually sending out the pings to determine up/down time, CPU use, memory use, temperature, or whatever other characteristics are being monitored? Or is there something else I'm missing?
[14-Jun-2007 16:23:40] <Aziraphale> most of the networks I work on are far to heterogenous
[14-Jun-2007 16:23:43] <cluther> rkagin: This is basically the breakdown..
[14-Jun-2007 16:23:54] <cluther> rkagin: zenperfsnmp monitors SNMP data sources defined in templates.
[14-Jun-2007 16:24:03] <cluther> rkagin: zencommand monitors COMMAND data sources defined in templates.
[14-Jun-2007 16:24:49] <cluther> rkagin: zenprocess monitors data sources defined in the OSProcess template specifically.
[14-Jun-2007 16:25:01] <cluther> rkagin: zenping just pings everything's manageIp
[14-Jun-2007 16:25:26] <cluther> rkagin: zenstatus runs TCP connectivity tests on IpServices (listed on OS tab) that have monitored = True.
[14-Jun-2007 16:25:36] <cluther> rkagin: zentrap listens passively for SNMP traps and converts them into events.
[14-Jun-2007 16:25:51] <cluther> rkagin: zensyslog listens passively for syslog messages (514/udp) and converts them into events.
[14-Jun-2007 16:26:19] <cluther> Those are the key processes.. I've left the Windows WMI stuff out..
[14-Jun-2007 16:26:24] <rkagin> cluther: Gosh, I feel silly, because I have most of those files open and have perused through them at length, but I guess I just never got the stand-back picture.
[14-Jun-2007 16:27:07] <cluther> rkagin: It's one of those eureka! kind of things.. it will come to you. =}
[14-Jun-2007 16:27:51] <rkagin> cluther: In terms of each of these different tests, the instantiated RRDTemplate dictates which of these processes need to collect data for the device? And do any of these different tests delineate between different types of devices (i.e. routers or servers), or do they simply identify them as an object/device?
[14-Jun-2007 16:28:56] <cluther> rkagin: Each process cares only about its specialty.. none of them know the difference between a server and a router really. They go into the database and ask for information they care about.. for example..
[14-Jun-2007 16:29:22] <rkagin> cluther: [that's what I thought/understood, but please continue]
[14-Jun-2007 16:29:35] <cluther> rkagin: zenperfsnmp asks zenhub, "Hey, give me a list of all of the OIDs that are defined and the devices they're defined on."
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[14-Jun-2007 16:29:50] <cluther> cluther: Because all zenperfsnmp cares about are OIDs..
[14-Jun-2007 16:30:41] <cluther> talking to myself again..
[14-Jun-2007 16:31:09] <J-Bob> cluther: bad sign =(
[14-Jun-2007 16:31:18] <cluther> rkagin: zenprocess asks zenhub for all devices and processes that have monitor = true. It then tries to pull everything in the OSProcess template for every single one of these.
[14-Jun-2007 16:34:42] <rkagin> cluther: I feel like I was looking for a red herring and totally missed the cooperation between files within the unified model. The intervals for each different test (depending on whether the test succeeded or not) are hard-coded in each test, right?
[14-Jun-2007 16:35:36] <cluther> rkagin: For the most part, the intervals are defined at the daemon level. zenperfsnmp cycles every 5 minutes by default, zenstatus and zenping every 1 minute..
[14-Jun-2007 16:36:00] <cluther> rkagin: zencommand is a bit different. Each COMMAND type data source specifies it's own interval and zencommand takes care of the scheduling to keep that contract.
[14-Jun-2007 16:36:24] <cluther> rkagin: You can find most of these interval settings defined in Monitors->(Status|Performance)
[14-Jun-2007 16:39:12] <rkagin> cluther: I appreciate your help. I'm just trying to learn how things get modeled (I think I understand that), and then once they are modeled, how they are monitored, what happens when, and why.
[14-Jun-2007 16:40:51] <qru> 2007-06-14 09:42:54 Executing command: /opt/zenoss/bin/zendisc run --net=192.168.0.0
[14-Jun-2007 16:41:11] <qru> 2007-06-14 14:36:42 WARNING:zen.IpRouteEntry:interface index:0 not found
[14-Jun-2007 16:41:23] <qru> Still going.
[14-Jun-2007 16:43:08] <cluther> qru: How many entries in your routing table?
[14-Jun-2007 16:44:08] <qru> ~1000
[14-Jun-2007 16:45:30] <cluther> qru: Hmm.. go to the zProperties for /Devices/Discovered
[14-Jun-2007 16:45:35] <cluther> qru: What Zenoss version?
[14-Jun-2007 16:45:51] <qru> Will that abort the discovery?
[14-Jun-2007 16:46:11] <cluther> qru: Yes.. I recommend that you abort it.
[14-Jun-2007 16:46:38] <cluther> qru: SNMP isn't a great protocol for transferring large amounts of information.
[14-Jun-2007 16:46:47] <cluther> qru: Anything that takes that long in SNMP probably will result in failure.
[14-Jun-2007 16:46:53] <qru> chug chug
[14-Jun-2007 16:47:31] <cluther> qru: 2.0?
[14-Jun-2007 16:47:39] <qru> cluther: Yes. Fresh install.
[14-Jun-2007 16:47:59] <cluther> qru: Once you make it to those zProperties, click Edit for the zCollectorPlugins and remove RouteMap from the list.
[14-Jun-2007 16:48:08] <cluther> qru: Then try to discover that network again.
[14-Jun-2007 16:49:23] <Aziraphale> that'd be one for the doc...
[14-Jun-2007 16:50:19] <Aziraphale> seems I'm not the only one with big routing tables on some routers
[14-Jun-2007 16:51:50] <cluther> Aziraphale: Definitely not..
[14-Jun-2007 16:52:32] <cluther> cluther: The way to really fix this would be to write a telnet based route collector.
[14-Jun-2007 16:52:54] <Aziraphale> cluther: not standardised
[14-Jun-2007 16:53:15] <Aziraphale> besides, can zeodb handle 450,000 entries ina routing table?
[14-Jun-2007 16:53:35] <cluther> Aziraphale: The idea would be to only "sh ip route ospf" or something so you skip the BGP entries entirely.
[14-Jun-2007 16:53:57] <Aziraphale> ah, I see
[14-Jun-2007 16:54:47] <qru> Looks like the discovery added 303 networks.
[14-Jun-2007 16:55:06] <Aziraphale> for refence, the command on a Juniper is show route protocol ospf
[14-Jun-2007 16:55:34] <monrad> uhh i would like to have some juniper routers
[14-Jun-2007 16:56:15] <Aziraphale> monrad: there's a quite nice cheap series now
[14-Jun-2007 16:56:35] <monrad> Aziraphale: we are only looking at foundry right now
[14-Jun-2007 16:56:39] <qru> Displaying networks is taking forever now.
[14-Jun-2007 16:56:47] <Aziraphale> monrad: for L3 work?
[14-Jun-2007 16:56:53] <monrad> but foundry is kinda nice too
[14-Jun-2007 16:56:54] <Aziraphale> monrad: don't go there
[14-Jun-2007 16:57:13] <monrad> well they work for our needs right now
[14-Jun-2007 16:57:31] <Aziraphale> they're good for L2 stuff, wouldn't touch them with a barge pole for anything L3 related
[14-Jun-2007 16:58:02] <monrad> we use their XMR's for our routing needs
[14-Jun-2007 16:58:21] <Aziraphale> hm, haven't tried their theraton stuff
[14-Jun-2007 16:58:41] <Aziraphale> they really do wire-speed routing?
[14-Jun-2007 16:59:16] <monrad> we dont have any problems with them yet
[14-Jun-2007 16:59:42] <monrad> we i guess we are a kinda of smallish ISP
[14-Jun-2007 17:00:28] <monrad> minus the first we
getting kinda late here [14-Jun-2007 17:01:35] <qru> cluther: Would zenoss try to auto discover other networks that are identified when polling devices on the network I am discovering?
[14-Jun-2007 17:02:08] <cluther> qru: By default, yes. If this doesn't suite you, go the the zProperties for /Networks and set zAutoDiscover to False.
[14-Jun-2007 17:02:25] <cluther> qru: You can then in the future go to specific networks and enable the zAutoDiscover property on them.
[14-Jun-2007 17:03:28] <Aziraphale> that's a handy feature alright
[14-Jun-2007 17:03:54] <Aziraphale> I've, in the past, had trouble with Zenoss trying to auto-discover the internet
[14-Jun-2007 17:04:02] <monrad> turning autodiscovery off was the first thing i turned off
[14-Jun-2007 17:04:14] <monrad> damn maybe i should stop writing now
[14-Jun-2007 17:07:17] <knutin> I was just wondering, Zenoss claims that RHEL4 is a supported platform, but there is no way to install the version of mysql required by the zenoss-rpm.
[14-Jun-2007 17:07:28] <knutin> By no way, I mean with an rpm that is supported by redhat
[14-Jun-2007 17:07:30] <cluther> knutin: Grab the zenoss-deps RPM.
[14-Jun-2007 17:07:53] <cluther> knutin: ok, that's true. Zenoss required MySQL triggers. They simply don't exist on MySQL 4.
[14-Jun-2007 17:08:08] <knutin> Will 5.0.18 do?
[14-Jun-2007 17:08:35] <cluther> knutin: I think there are relevant bugs in 5.0.18. You could try it though.. we usually recommend 5.0.22 or later.
[14-Jun-2007 17:08:39] <knutin> I found that version in some channel or other and it did the trick for Zenoss 1, but now I'm trying to upgrade to 2
[14-Jun-2007 17:08:56] <cluther> knutin: If it worked for 1.x, it'll work for 2. The database schema hasn't changed a bit.
[14-Jun-2007 17:09:24] <knutin> Alright. I'll just install the rpm with --no-deps and I'm good to go then?
[14-Jun-2007 17:09:24] <knutin>
[14-Jun-2007 17:17:35] <cluther> knutin: Yeah.
[14-Jun-2007 17:17:53] <cluther> knutin: Unfortunately you'll probably feel unclean for a few days.
[14-Jun-2007 17:20:11] <monrad> i hope they speed up the network listing in the next version
[14-Jun-2007 17:21:54] <cluther> monrad: I think it could probably benefit from some indexing.
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[14-Jun-2007 17:23:07] <monrad> cluther: if i look at the /manage link the pop right up
[14-Jun-2007 17:24:07] <monrad> but i hope your right
[14-Jun-2007 17:29:05] <cluther> cluther: I'm out of here folks. Have a good one.
[14-Jun-2007 17:29:12] <cluther> Stop talking to yourself, cluther..
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[14-Jun-2007 18:02:34] <rkagin> Does anyone know where the default templates are located, i.e. the ones that are first imported to the database upon installing?
[14-Jun-2007 18:04:22] <scrip> is there a linux browser that works with zenoss 2.0? I've got the latest version of firefox, but the ajax code behaves unpredictably
[14-Jun-2007 18:05:16] <rkagin> scrip: I can't say, as I have not updated to 2.0 - been testing on 1.9.7 because I don't control what version I use.
[14-Jun-2007 18:05:34] <rkagin> scrip: But for the version I have, My version of Firefox works.
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[14-Jun-2007 18:49:07] <densone> anyone in here that can answer a quick question?
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[14-Jun-2007 20:40:53] * |__rb__| says hi to the room
[14-Jun-2007 20:41:30] <|__rb__|> need some help graphing cisco router interface statics? can anyone help me?
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[14-Jun-2007 20:46:36] <Aziraphale> go on...
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[14-Jun-2007 20:49:27] <|__rb__|> just need a documentation that shows how to add interface graphs for cisco router ethernet and serial ports
[14-Jun-2007 20:49:29] <|__rb__|> thanks
[14-Jun-2007 20:49:30] <monrad> wee go zenoss
[14-Jun-2007 20:49:40] <|__rb__|> br
[14-Jun-2007 20:49:42] <|__rb__|> brb
[14-Jun-2007 20:49:46] <monrad> or now i know that one of the UPS's lost its batterys
[14-Jun-2007 20:50:55] <Aziraphale> heh
[14-Jun-2007 20:51:16] <Aziraphale> better to know now than at the next power failure...
[14-Jun-2007 20:54:06] <monrad> well it then lost the power when i tried to start its selftest
[14-Jun-2007 20:54:10] <monrad> but dont tell my boss
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[14-Jun-2007 20:55:13] <Aziraphale> apc, is it?
[14-Jun-2007 20:57:43] <monrad> yes
[14-Jun-2007 20:57:57] <monrad> we have 2 small ones
[14-Jun-2007 20:58:38] <monrad> we were pondering if we should call the tech now but i guess we let him sleep 3-4 hours more
[14-Jun-2007 21:12:00] <Aziraphale> only ups i know that will happily commit suicide when self-testing...
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[14-Jun-2007 21:14:44] <hspcd> yo folks, is anyone else having trouble downloading the documentation
[14-Jun-2007 21:16:57] <hspcd> for version 2 of Zenoss Core?
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[15-Jun-2007 00:29:00] <monrad> are there a right way to use the 64 bit counter template in zenoss 2.0?
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[15-Jun-2007 03:51:01] <spike> hi
[15-Jun-2007 03:51:17] <spike> can anybody elaborate on the zenoss's graphing ability? is it just nagios + perf data?
[15-Jun-2007 03:52:00] <spike> 'cause I'm currently using nagios+munin/cricket, and it's annoying as most of the times I end up duplicating the effort
[15-Jun-2007 03:52:33] <spike> in general having the app that does check and the one that graph staff separated means repeating 2 times the same reading
[15-Jun-2007 03:53:01] <spike> but nagios itself is far from being as powerful as munin, so I had to give up tryign to use perf data
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[15-Jun-2007 06:27:58] <Farhod> I would like to know does zenoss have software deployment on monitored machine?
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[15-Jun-2007 09:11:55] <Myweb> Hello
[15-Jun-2007 09:16:04] <Myweb> Could I ask for help?
[15-Jun-2007 09:16:57] <Myweb> I have a small network, and I need to monitoring hosts (ping), but I can`t to setup it in Zenoss, please help me
[15-Jun-2007 09:17:39] <creiht> Myweb: All you want to do is ping?
[15-Jun-2007 09:18:02] <Myweb> As first step - Yes
[15-Jun-2007 09:18:12] <creiht> When you add a device
[15-Jun-2007 09:18:24] <creiht> let me look to make sure I have the right name
[15-Jun-2007 09:19:09] <creiht> Change Discovery Protocol to None
[15-Jun-2007 09:19:21] <creiht> And it should add the device, and just moniotr by ping
[15-Jun-2007 09:20:09] <Myweb> yes, I have made it, my PC has ip 192.168.9.23
[15-Jun-2007 09:20:23] <Myweb> I have added this device to Zenoss
[15-Jun-2007 09:20:34] <Myweb> but in Events I see: 192.168.9.23 ip 192.168.9.23 is down
[15-Jun-2007 09:21:20] <creiht> For that event, what is the value in lastTime?
[15-Jun-2007 09:21:31] <creiht> and how does that compare to your current time?
[15-Jun-2007 09:21:49] <Myweb> I sorry, I have Firewall on...
[15-Jun-2007 09:22:11] <creiht> ahh
[15-Jun-2007 09:22:15] <creiht> yeah that will do it too
[15-Jun-2007 09:22:57] <Myweb> I have a router, I have added it to zenoss, and Zenoss add 2 subnets : local (192.168.0.0/16) and Wan
[15-Jun-2007 09:23:27] <Myweb> but My computer (192.168.9.23) I don`t see in 192.168.0.0/16 network
[15-Jun-2007 09:23:49] <Myweb> how to "put" my computer to right network in zenoss
[15-Jun-2007 09:23:50] <Myweb> ?
[15-Jun-2007 09:25:49] <creiht> So when you click on the 192.168.0.0 network, what do you see inside there?
[15-Jun-2007 09:26:09] <creiht> On my installation it splits the networks up in smaller blocks
[15-Jun-2007 09:26:25] <creiht> And then my devices show up in the /24 blocks
[15-Jun-2007 09:27:53] <Myweb> I see only Ip adress of my router in IP Addresses block
[15-Jun-2007 09:28:08] <Myweb> Subnetworks block is empty
[15-Jun-2007 09:28:51] <creiht> Myweb: I'm not sure... I have never really looked/used the networks area before
[15-Jun-2007 09:29:48] <creiht> try this
[15-Jun-2007 09:29:56] <creiht> Open up your device in zenoss
[15-Jun-2007 09:30:01] <creiht> and then click on the OS tab
[15-Jun-2007 09:30:20] <creiht> At the top part you should see all the interfaces
[15-Jun-2007 09:30:43] <creiht> next to your primary interface you will see the IP, and it should be a link
[15-Jun-2007 09:30:46] <creiht> click on that
[15-Jun-2007 09:30:55] <creiht> and see where it takes you in the IP heirarchy
[15-Jun-2007 09:31:11] <Myweb> I add host witout snmp
[15-Jun-2007 09:31:25] <Myweb> And I have nothing on OS tab
[15-Jun-2007 09:31:28] <creiht> ahh
[15-Jun-2007 09:31:32] <creiht> interesting
[15-Jun-2007 09:31:47] <creiht> I bet that is why then it is not showing up on the network area
[15-Jun-2007 09:32:00] <creiht> Not sure if that is the desired behavior or not
[15-Jun-2007 09:32:57] <creiht> I don't think there are too many people that do just ping monitoring with zenoss
[15-Jun-2007 09:33:29] <Myweb>
[15-Jun-2007 09:41:36] <Myweb> thank You for Your help, bye
[15-Jun-2007 09:43:01] <Bulwinkle> creiht: can you help me with a WMI issue I am having on my windows side?
[15-Jun-2007 09:43:27] <Bulwinkle> or anyone for that matter
[15-Jun-2007 09:44:13] <creiht> Bulwinkle: I haven't done anything with WMI yet, but there are others on here usually that have... so ask away, and hopefully someone will see the question when they get the chance
[15-Jun-2007 09:45:11] <Bulwinkle> cluther: you around today?
[15-Jun-2007 09:45:47] <cluther> Bulwinkle: A bit.
[15-Jun-2007 09:46:29] <Bulwinkle> cluther: have you worked with the WMI portion of 2.0?
[15-Jun-2007 09:46:34] <cluther> yes
[15-Jun-2007 09:46:56] <Bulwinkle> cluther: any good docs you have read on setting it up?
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[15-Jun-2007 09:49:53] <giesen> Is there any solution to the "sendto error short format requires 0<=number<=USHRT_MAX" problem?
[15-Jun-2007 09:53:12] <cluther> Bulwinkle: No, that section of the Admin Guide hasn't been filled out yet.. it is very few steps though.
[15-Jun-2007 09:53:36] <Bulwinkle> cluther: if you have time can you run me through them?
[15-Jun-2007 09:53:40] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Put all of your Windows servers somewhere under /Devices/Server/Windows.
[15-Jun-2007 09:53:48] <Bulwinkle> Done
[15-Jun-2007 09:53:50] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Create a domain admin account if you have a domain.
[15-Jun-2007 09:54:04] <Bulwinkle> will a local admin on the box work?
[15-Jun-2007 09:54:17] <cluther> Yes.. for local admin..
[15-Jun-2007 09:54:23] <Bulwinkle> done
[15-Jun-2007 09:54:46] <cluther> Bulwinkle: In the zProperties for /Devices/Server/Windows set zWinUsername to ".\Administrator" and set the zWinPassword.
[15-Jun-2007 09:54:56] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Make sure that zWmiMonitorIgnore is set to False.
[15-Jun-2007 09:55:20] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Go the the Settings/Daemons page and verify that zenwinmodeler, zenwin and zeneventlog are running.
[15-Jun-2007 09:55:45] <cluther> cluther: That's it. After about 10 minutes you'll either see WMI errors in your event console, or windows services listed on the OS tab of your Windows server.
[15-Jun-2007 09:56:10] <cluther> Bulwinkle: So the key zProperties for WMI monitoring are zWinUsername, zWinPassword and zWmiMonitorIgnore.
[15-Jun-2007 09:56:41] <Bulwinkle> cluther: can I use a domain account (which is local admin on the boxes)?
[15-Jun-2007 09:57:48] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Hmm.. I haven't tried it, but I'd guess that it works.
[15-Jun-2007 09:58:04] <Bulwinkle> We'll see, Thanks... I'll let you know how it works out!
[15-Jun-2007 09:58:05] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Just format the zWinUsername as "DOMAIN\Username"
[15-Jun-2007 10:00:13] <cluther> giesen: Does this error occur on many devices, or just the zenoss server itself?
[15-Jun-2007 10:11:08] <Bulwinkle> cluther: worked flawlessly... Thanks!
[15-Jun-2007 10:11:30] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I always like to hear those words. =}
[15-Jun-2007 10:11:52] <Bulwinkle> cluther: Should I upgrade from 2.0 b2 to 2.0.0?
[15-Jun-2007 10:12:45] <cluther> hmm. b2 = 1.9.6?
[15-Jun-2007 10:13:13] <Bulwinkle> cluther: yeah.. sorry thats what I meant
[15-Jun-2007 10:15:05] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Yeah, go ahead. It is an easy upgrade (no zen2dump/zenload required) and fixes a number of bugs.
[15-Jun-2007 10:15:36] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I'm still having trouble with 3 services starting... let me upgrade and I'll ping back atcha in a few
[15-Jun-2007 10:18:52] <kompressor> cluther, im still using 1.1.2....is a complete 2.0 reinstall necessary?
[15-Jun-2007 10:19:45] <cluther> kompressor: There are instructions ZEN2UPGRADE.TXT linked to from the 2.0 release notes.
[15-Jun-2007 10:20:01] <cluther> kompressor: It shows the process to use to dump your object database and import it into 2.0.
[15-Jun-2007 10:21:16] <kompressor> cluther, thanx :-)
[15-Jun-2007 10:22:30] <cluther> kompressor: FYI to you and others.. use the RPM installation method if at all possible. It makes it so much easier for us to predict good upgrade paths.
[15-Jun-2007 10:23:07] <kompressor> eish cluther im using ubuntu debs or from source
[15-Jun-2007 10:23:15] <kompressor> no RPM
[15-Jun-2007 10:23:18] <cluther> kompressor: Yeah.. no choice for you. =}
[15-Jun-2007 10:24:07] <kompressor> cluther, how far is that feature of "authenticating zenoss via ldap" since 2.0 is just released?
[15-Jun-2007 10:24:40] <kompressor> just wondering....
[15-Jun-2007 10:25:01] <Bulwinkle> cluther: looks like they fixed my problem in 2.0.0
[15-Jun-2007 10:26:22] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I'm getting some SNMP errors on my windows servers memoryPagespersec, memoryAvailablekBytes, and cpuPercentProcessorTime...
[15-Jun-2007 10:27:14] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Those are the SNMP Informant polls. You can either install the SNMP Informant MIB extension on your Windows server(s) or remove those data sources from the Device template under /Devices/Server/Windows.
[15-Jun-2007 10:27:48] <Bulwinkle> cluther: where would I find that extension?
[15-Jun-2007 10:28:11] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Google "snmp informant" and get the free version.
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[15-Jun-2007 10:32:31] <Bulwinkle> cluther: thanks... you should be on the zenoss payroll
[15-Jun-2007 10:32:45] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I am.
[15-Jun-2007 10:34:01] <Bulwinkle> cluther: excellent...
[15-Jun-2007 10:37:41] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I've been with Zenoss for four weeks now. Previously I was known as chet on here and the forums and was deploying Zenoss on my previous company's network.
[15-Jun-2007 10:38:08] <creiht> cluther: Very cool... Good to hear that
[15-Jun-2007 10:38:18] <creiht> I was wondering if that would happen
[15-Jun-2007 10:39:38] <cluther> The architecture of the product was like something I had been dreaming of for years.
[15-Jun-2007 10:40:35] <creiht> Yeah... I love it
[15-Jun-2007 10:41:06] <creiht> I just wish I was still doing our main monitoring stuff here so that I could use it for it
[15-Jun-2007 10:41:06] <cluther> Me too.
I love it the way it already is, but what I really love is where the foundation will allow it to grow in the future.[15-Jun-2007 10:42:18] <creiht> cluther: So do you just do support, or are you coding as well?
[15-Jun-2007 10:43:10] <cluther> creiht: I'm primarily responsible for supporting our paying customers. Occasionally this results in small coding tasks.
[15-Jun-2007 10:43:21] <creiht> ahh
[15-Jun-2007 10:43:22] <creiht> cool
[15-Jun-2007 10:43:36] <creiht> I'm glad they have someone on the payroll on the channel now
[15-Jun-2007 10:44:36] <cluther> creiht: We really want to help the community get up to speed. Having people like you around really helps a lot as the community response sometimes falls to an as-time-allows state.
[15-Jun-2007 10:44:45] <_zack> hi all, i've a question about the mysql permission set by the zenoss installation
[15-Jun-2007 10:44:50] <_zack> from install-function.sh I read
[15-Jun-2007 10:44:58] <_zack> grant all on $MYSQLEVENTDB.* to '$MYSQLUSER'@'${MYSQL_HOST_PERM}' identified by '$MYSQLPASS';
[15-Jun-2007 10:44:58] <_zack> grant super, file on *.* to '$MYSQLUSER'@'${MYSQL_HOST_PERM}';
[15-Jun-2007 10:45:03] <_zack> the first line is fine
[15-Jun-2007 10:45:14] <_zack> but the second seems to me to grant all permissions on all databases to the zenoss user
[15-Jun-2007 10:45:21] <_zack> is this expected/needed?
[15-Jun-2007 10:48:17] <cluther> _zack: hmm.. those permissions are required for the run_zeneventbuild function to install the triggers. Unfortunately MySQL 5 requires super and file privileges to create triggers.
[15-Jun-2007 10:48:38] <cluther> _zack: I think the super, file permissions could be removed after the install.
[15-Jun-2007 10:48:51] <_zack> cluther: ah, ok
[15-Jun-2007 10:48:59] <Bulwinkle> cluther: are you helping in development (coding) or mainly with support issues?
[15-Jun-2007 10:49:09] <cluther> _zack: I'm not totally sure on this though.. I'm not sure if any special privileges on the mysql database are required to run triggers.
[15-Jun-2007 10:49:18] <cluther> Bulwinkle: support.
[15-Jun-2007 10:49:29] <_zack> cluther: i'll check that
[15-Jun-2007 10:49:32] <_zack> thanks
[15-Jun-2007 10:51:16] <Bulwinkle> cluther: congrats, I haven't found anyone here that knows as much as you... They need the help I know. Once I move my system to production we'll buy a support contract for sure and maybe even go for some training.
[15-Jun-2007 10:52:16] <creiht> cluther is quite the bundle of zenoss knowledge
[15-Jun-2007 10:52:17] <cluther> cluther: Great.. I'll probably be part of the training so I look forward to meeting you.
[15-Jun-2007 10:53:13] <_zack> cluther: still, why give them on *.*?, wouldn't it be enough to give them on the zenoss database?
[15-Jun-2007 10:53:19] <_zack> AFAIK triggers are database-specific
[15-Jun-2007 10:53:54] <cluther> _zack: You'd think that, but it does something on the mysql database too.
[15-Jun-2007 10:54:26] <cluther> _zack: We could probably do super,file on mysql.**something**
[15-Jun-2007 10:54:52] <cluther> _zack: Will have to do some research on that, you raise a good question.
[15-Jun-2007 10:55:08] <_zack> cluther: actually, I'm going to fill a ticket, is it ok?
[15-Jun-2007 10:55:21] <Bulwinkle> cluther: is there a way to check all of the windows services you want to monitor and add them all at once?
[15-Jun-2007 10:55:24] <cluther> _zack: Definitely. That's a good way to make sure nobody forgets about it.
[15-Jun-2007 10:55:38] <_zack> cluther: ack
[15-Jun-2007 10:55:52] <cluther> _zack: If you could figure out exactly what permissions are required to run the SQL scripts in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenEvents/db/*.sql it would really help!
[15-Jun-2007 10:56:09] <bzed> _zack, cluther: probably http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/triggers-table.html that's the reason for those perms
[15-Jun-2007 10:56:09] <adytum-bot> Title: MySQL AB :: MySQL 5.0 Reference Manual :: 20.16 The INFORMATION_SCHEMA TRIGGERS Table (at dev.mysql.com)
[15-Jun-2007 10:56:10] <bzed> is there anything checking iof those triggers exist/...!?
[15-Jun-2007 10:57:12] <_zack> cluther: will do, I'm writing the setup scripts for debian packages...
[15-Jun-2007 10:57:29] <cluther> _zack: Are you working with bzed?
[15-Jun-2007 10:57:42] <_zack> cluther: yep, he is in front of me at DebConf7
[15-Jun-2007 10:57:49] <cluther> Cool. =}
[15-Jun-2007 10:58:04] <creiht> _zack: Smack him on the back of the head for me
[15-Jun-2007 10:58:18] <_zack> creiht: I prefer to avoid that, if you don't mind
[15-Jun-2007 10:58:23] <creiht> hehe
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:01] <bzed> creiht: do you have to handle my bug reports?
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:08] <creiht> hehe
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:09] <creiht> no
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:14] <creiht> just saying hi
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:15] <creiht>
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:23] <creiht> And looking forward to debian packages
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:27] <bzed> ah ok
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:36] <creiht> How far out are you guys?
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:46] <cluther> bzed: The guys who handle your bug reports would rather shake your hand than smack you in the head.
[15-Jun-2007 10:59:52] <creiht> hehe
[15-Jun-2007 11:00:06] <bzed> cluther: they should come over to edinburgh
[15-Jun-2007 11:00:08] <creiht> I'm just a nobody that hangs out on the IRC channel
[15-Jun-2007 11:01:13] <bzed> cluther: https://debconf7.debconf.org/wiki/Main_Page
[15-Jun-2007 11:01:13] <adytum-bot> Title: Main Page - DebConf7 (at debconf7.debconf.org)
[15-Jun-2007 11:02:25] <Bulwinkle> cluther: just 5 minutes of your time got my dashboard clear of all configuration issues... THANKS!
[15-Jun-2007 11:03:19] <_zack> cluther: ticket opened, http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/1674
[15-Jun-2007 11:03:19] <adytum-bot> Title: #1674 (too broad mysql permissions to the zenoss database user) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[15-Jun-2007 11:04:39] <cluther> bzed: Shoot.. had I only heard about this farther in advance. She's a huge golfer and would have loved a trip to Scotland.
[15-Jun-2007 11:04:55] <cluther> bzed: heh.. my wife that is.. her birthday this weekend.
[15-Jun-2007 11:07:41] <bzed> cluther: you shold read your -dev list better
[15-Jun-2007 11:07:53] <giesen> cluther: just the zenoss server
[15-Jun-2007 11:08:34] <cluther> bzed: I'm not a developer. =}
[15-Jun-2007 11:10:04] <bzed> me neither
[15-Jun-2007 11:20:22] <Aziraphale> are they all wearing their debian tartan kilts then?
[15-Jun-2007 11:25:07] <bzed> the people who've ordered one are waering it, definitely.
[15-Jun-2007 11:26:09] <bzed> http://gallery.mcmillan.net.nz/v/Travels/Scotland07/Debconf7/General/?g2_page=2 << there're some kilt photos
[15-Jun-2007 11:26:09] <adytum-bot> Title: McMillan Gallery: General Conference Photos (at gallery.mcmillan.net.nz)
[15-Jun-2007 11:26:57] <bzed> http://bzed.de/blog/debcamp_hacklab yesterday's hacklab
[15-Jun-2007 11:26:58] <bzed> photo of our new room will be online later
[15-Jun-2007 11:43:18] <_zack> cluther: have a look at the previos ticket, I tested which premissions are required to executed the sql scripts
[15-Jun-2007 11:44:07] <cluther> _zack: Thanks!
[15-Jun-2007 11:45:34] <_zack> summary: super on *.* is needed, file is not
[15-Jun-2007 11:48:18] <_zack> i'm going to test on a live installation if both permission can be relaxed after the installation....
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[15-Jun-2007 13:18:32] <|__rb__|> kl
[15-Jun-2007 13:19:17] <|__rb__|> does anyone know how I can graph cisco interfaces serial/ethernet on zenoss, thanks,
[15-Jun-2007 13:22:10] <solarce> very carefully?
[15-Jun-2007 13:22:28] <cluther> |__rb__|: Which Zenoss version?
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[15-Jun-2007 14:01:52] <_zack> cluther: i'm now running a zenoss without the super/file privileges (which were however needed to install it), everything seems to be fine
[15-Jun-2007 14:02:05] <_zack> any particular test you think I should perform to ensure it's actually the case?
[15-Jun-2007 14:04:04] <cluther> _zack: Move some events to history.
[15-Jun-2007 14:04:54] <|__rb__|> hi cluther, it's zen 1.0
[15-Jun-2007 14:05:13] <cluther> |__rb__|: Ethernet interfaces are graphed by default, go to the OS tab and choose one of them.
[15-Jun-2007 14:05:55] <cluther> |__rb__|: To get graphing on you serial interfaces go to the PerfConf tab of /Devices and copy the ethernetCsmacd template, paste it, then rename it to serialPointToPoint.
[15-Jun-2007 14:06:08] <|__rb__|> AH!!! genious
[15-Jun-2007 14:06:10] <cluther> |__rb__|: Then restart the zenperfsnmp daemon.
[15-Jun-2007 14:06:35] <|__rb__|> I was looking in the perf for the graphs
[15-Jun-2007 14:06:38] <cluther> |__rb__|: 2.0 automatically graphs all interface types.. you have to tell it which ones you don't want to graph. I think this makes more sense.
[15-Jun-2007 14:06:52] <|__rb__|> sure, I will upgrade probably soon
[15-Jun-2007 14:06:56] <cluther> |__rb__|: You're going to have to get used to things being done the right way.. =}
[15-Jun-2007 14:07:26] <|__rb__|> nice, thanks cluther
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[15-Jun-2007 14:08:09] <_zack> cluther: uhm, what's the expected behaviour ... nothins is happening here
[15-Jun-2007 14:08:39] <cluther> _zack: The events should be removed from the event list and put into the "History" list.
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[15-Jun-2007 14:29:55] <|__rb__|> cluther, is that the same for multilink??
[15-Jun-2007 14:30:39] <cluther> |__rb__|: Interfaces are graphed according to what the template named after their "type" says. If you go into one of your multilink interfaces, what is the type set to?
[15-Jun-2007 14:31:37] <|__rb__|> type is ppp
[15-Jun-2007 14:31:53] <cluther> |__rb__|: So you'd just make a copy of that ethernetCsmacd template and name it "ppp"
[15-Jun-2007 14:32:47] <cluther> |__rb__|: Make sense?
[15-Jun-2007 14:32:58] <|__rb__|> there is alredy a ppp performance template, but it seems empty, should I just copy the ethernetCsmacd and name it ppp?
[15-Jun-2007 14:33:09] <|__rb__|> yep
[15-Jun-2007 14:33:19] <cluther> |__rb__|: Yep.. of course you'd have to delete the empty ppp template first.
[15-Jun-2007 14:34:01] <cluther> |__rb__|: If the multilink interface doesn't contains the same OIDs as an ethernetCsmacd interface there may be problems, but I think that they have the same basic OIDs.
[15-Jun-2007 14:34:08] <|__rb__|> nice
[15-Jun-2007 14:34:09] <cluther> throughput/packets/errors..
[15-Jun-2007 14:34:41] <cluther> |__rb__|: Once you start to do VLANs and stuff like that you have to remove the error related data sources and graphs from the template since virtual interfaces don't have errors.
[15-Jun-2007 14:34:52] <|__rb__|> do I need to restart the zenpefsnmp??
[15-Jun-2007 14:37:01] <cluther> |__rb__|: Yeah.. in 1.0 zenperfsnmp only grabs a new config every 20 minutes so impatient people like me just restart it for quicker satisfaction.
[15-Jun-2007 14:37:01] <cluther> |__rb__|: 2.0 pushes the changes to the collectors on the fly.
[15-Jun-2007 14:37:01] <|__rb__|> ah, me too
[15-Jun-2007 14:37:01] <|__rb__|> I tried upgrading yesterday..........and an unsuccessfull upgrade, I found the upgrade 1.0 to 2.0 how to
[15-Jun-2007 14:37:01] <cluther> |__rb__|: You'd have to be the luckiest person on earth to manage that without the instructions.
[15-Jun-2007 14:37:18] <cluther> |__rb__|: Most upgrades are very straightforward, but they changes the internal database structure in 2.0 to get some serious performance improvements.
[15-Jun-2007 14:38:12] <|__rb__|> kewl, I'm just experimenting with zenoss right now, nagios seems to be a little too complicated for some people
[15-Jun-2007 14:38:44] <|__rb__|> I just added the serial and multilink, hopefully I can start seeing the graphs soom.
[15-Jun-2007 14:39:07] <|__rb__|> how did you run acrosss zenoss, I've been a big nagios fan, but this seems very nice also.
[15-Jun-2007 14:42:49] <cluther> |__rb__|: I was running Nagios previously with much success, but I got tired of maintaining it.
[15-Jun-2007 14:43:12] <cluther> |__rb__|: I was actually looking for Zabbix to trial it when I ran across Zenoss.
[15-Jun-2007 14:43:13] <|__rb__|> yep
[15-Jun-2007 14:43:27] <|__rb__|> it's pretty fun though, I really liked the external command options,
[15-Jun-2007 14:43:35] <cluther> |__rb__|: After deploying Zenoss at my company and running it for a few months I actually joined Zenoss, Inc.
[15-Jun-2007 14:43:36] <|__rb__|> but hated the nrpe client installs,
[15-Jun-2007 14:43:44] <|__rb__|> oh, nice
[15-Jun-2007 14:44:10] <hspcd> hi peeps: does anyone have knowledge on how to disable alerts for events that are ack'd? I just had about 150 messages sent to my pager after ack'ing the events in Zenoss Core 2
[15-Jun-2007 14:44:13] <|__rb__|> we're kinda evaluating it now, I had a call into your sales yesterday, to maybe purchase the enterprise endition
[15-Jun-2007 14:44:31] <|__rb__|> edition
[15-Jun-2007 14:46:00] <cluther> hspcd: Ack'ing an event will make Zenoss send out a CLEAR to anyone who got the original failure alert..
[15-Jun-2007 14:46:35] <cluther> hspcd: There actually isn't a way to disable the sending of CLEARs at the moment.
[15-Jun-2007 14:46:51] <hspcd> cluther: is that a planned 'feature' to be added?
[15-Jun-2007 14:46:52] <creiht> cluther: acking, or sending to history? I didn't think acking would send out clear pages
[15-Jun-2007 14:47:12] <cluther> creiht is right.. nevermind me.
[15-Jun-2007 14:47:19] <creiht> heh
[15-Jun-2007 14:47:25] <hspcd> ok, I did also send them to history
[15-Jun-2007 14:47:41] <hspcd> is there a way to change this or is it a planned enhancement for the future?
[15-Jun-2007 14:47:55] <hspcd> btw, Zenoss Core2 is very nice
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:09] <creiht> hspcd: cool... I still need to check out 2.0
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:11] <cluther> hspcd: You're not the first person to request it. I don't recall seeing a ticket on it though, which is the way things actually get done.
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:25] <cluther> hspcd: I'll stick a ticket in there for it.
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:29] <hspcd> can I create a ticket as a Community User?
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:30] <creiht> And yes that would be a nice thing to have
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:31] <hspcd> ok
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:32] <hspcd> cool
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:45] <cluther> hspcd: You can! In fact if you'd like to do it, go right ahead.
[15-Jun-2007 14:48:55] <hspcd> cluther and creight: thanks for all of your help lately too
[15-Jun-2007 14:49:03] <cluther> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/
[15-Jun-2007 14:49:03] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[15-Jun-2007 14:51:28] <hspcd> can't seem to find a 'register' link on Trac, so I can't submit a ticket
[15-Jun-2007 14:55:33] <cluther> search for "add ticket"
[15-Jun-2007 14:55:45] <cluther> There is a community login to deter blog spam bots.
[15-Jun-2007 14:57:14] <Bulwinkle> How do I create a global alerting rule?
[15-Jun-2007 15:03:53] <cluther> Bulwinkle: What do you mean by that? An alerting rule that alerts on anything going wrong?
[15-Jun-2007 15:04:20] <Bulwinkle> cluther: one that alerts everyone on a given condition
[15-Jun-2007 15:05:01] <cluther> Bulwinkle: You can't.. you'd have to add the rule to each user. Hold on for a few minutes and I'll give you a tip for getting around this.
[15-Jun-2007 15:05:10] <Bulwinkle> okay
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:06] <creiht> Bulwinkle: You can create the alert for the user, and then go to the Zope management interface and copy and paste that rule to other users
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:25] <Bulwinkle> creiht: cool... thanks
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:34] <creiht> so
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:38] <creiht> after you add the alert
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:46] <creiht> open up the user that has that alert
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:50] <creiht> and then add
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:52] <creiht> /manage
[15-Jun-2007 15:08:55] <creiht> to the end of the url
[15-Jun-2007 15:09:04] <creiht> you can then check the alert you created
[15-Jun-2007 15:09:06] <creiht> click copy
[15-Jun-2007 15:09:18] <creiht> click on ZenUsers in your path at the top
[15-Jun-2007 15:09:31] <creiht> and then go into each users' folder
[15-Jun-2007 15:09:33] <creiht> and click paste
[15-Jun-2007 15:10:36] <Bulwinkle> thats pretty cool
[15-Jun-2007 15:11:50] <creiht> I have a ticket in for them to have something like that where you can define alerts, and then assign users to those alerts
[15-Jun-2007 15:12:08] <creiht> And I have bugged them several times about it
[15-Jun-2007 15:12:22] <creiht> I can understand though how it is probably a lower priority
[15-Jun-2007 15:12:55] <creiht> That workaround works fairly well though until they do something like that
[15-Jun-2007 15:13:20] <creiht> One thing to keep in mind is that if you change one after you have copied and paste, you will either have to copy and paste again, or change all the others as well
[15-Jun-2007 15:13:22] <Bulwinkle> I'd like to enter a feature where you can change the monitoring state to "true" for all of the services checked in the OS tab
[15-Jun-2007 15:13:49] <Bulwinkle> creiht: I see
[15-Jun-2007 15:15:46] <|__rb__|> what's a good rule to only allow for user to see the graphs? ZenUser or ZenMonitor?
[15-Jun-2007 15:17:12] <|__rb__|> rule=role
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[15-Jun-2007 15:41:58] <BATHORY> Hi
[15-Jun-2007 15:42:29] <BATHORY> anybody here are using the new version of zenoss, 2.0?
[15-Jun-2007 15:42:34] <bzed> cluther: btw, say hello to the developers from us, and greetings from edinburgh
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[15-Jun-2007 17:05:50] <bzed> cluther: ping
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[15-Jun-2007 22:15:39] <mathrock> Anyone here able to answer a question on device discovery / device classes?
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[16-Jun-2007 12:39:48] <andrew_p> how do it ignore an event ("sendto error short format requires 0<=number<=USHRT_MAX" error on freebsd is rather annoying; it was promised to fixed in 2.0..)? mapping it to /Ignore eventClass does not do the trick
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[16-Jun-2007 13:14:26] <monrad> is there a way to eg reload the ethernetCsmacd template if i deleted it
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[17-Jun-2007 00:20:18] <hspc1> Hi folks
[17-Jun-2007 00:21:10] <hspc1> I think I have a simple question here. I get alerts about snmp being down on hosts over a WAN connection rather frequently. Is there a way to increase the timeout for snmp checks to avoid these alerts? They usually clear a minute later.
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[17-Jun-2007 05:56:19] <jailbreaker> hey guys
[17-Jun-2007 05:56:45] <jailbreaker> need to know if there is a way to show hostname, or any other id on the performance graphs ?
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[17-Jun-2007 06:59:33] <jailbreaker> need to know if there is a way to show hostname, or any other device id on the performance graphs ?
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[17-Jun-2007 10:27:31] <jailbreaker> guys, I need to know if there is a way to show hostname, or any other device id on the performance graphs ?
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[17-Jun-2007 11:17:18] <b52laptop> Ã��¸Ã��Ã�ª #Ã��Ã�¦Ã��Ã�«Ã��…Ã��Ã�¹Ã��„
[17-Jun-2007 11:17:28] <b52laptop> oups sorry ...
[17-Jun-2007 11:50:23] <iuso> wow, my terminal can display most of those characters
[17-Jun-2007 11:55:36] <b52laptop> using irssi ?
[17-Jun-2007 11:55:52] <b52laptop> the characters are "arabic letters"
[17-Jun-2007 12:15:45] <Aziraphale> here too
[17-Jun-2007 12:15:55] <Aziraphale> apart from the hash
[17-Jun-2007 12:33:59] <jailbreaker> guys, I need to know if there is a way to show hostname, or any other device id on the performance graphs ?
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[17-Jun-2007 13:53:58] <jailbreaker> guys, I need to know if there is a way to show hostname, or any other device id on the performance graphs ?
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[17-Jun-2007 16:38:22] <jailbreaker> and again\
[17-Jun-2007 16:38:23] <jailbreaker> guys, I need to know if there is a way to show hostname, or any other device id on the performance graphs ?
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[17-Jun-2007 17:21:38] <nassy> hi
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[17-Jun-2007 17:24:43] <nassy> i installed zenoss virtual machine on my LAN at home. it found 2 devices with snmp: the virtual machine itself, and my router. i see performance graphs for the virtual machine. i don't see any performance graphs for the router. i see a few interface threshold for the router. what do i need to do to active performance graphing. zenoss has been running for several days now
[17-Jun-2007 17:25:15] <nassy> i don't see any errors in event log, or zenperfsnmp
[17-Jun-2007 17:25:48] <nassy> that should read: what do i need to do to activate performance graphs
[17-Jun-2007 17:26:32] <nassy> ie, how do i tell it to graph the activity on the network interface
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[17-Jun-2007 17:57:03] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Genshi Templates in Nevow - 11 Apr, 05:04PM
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[17-Jun-2007 19:10:08] <oakleeman> just installed zenoss 2.0 yesterday and added some machines to monitor
[17-Jun-2007 19:10:22] <oakleeman> know what could cause a 3-4 hr gap in the graphs
[17-Jun-2007 19:10:34] <oakleeman> in almost everything i'm monitoring
[17-Jun-2007 19:10:36] <oakleeman> ?
[17-Jun-2007 19:11:14] <monrad> watched the load on the machine?
[17-Jun-2007 19:12:37] <oakleeman> no, just now noticed the gap
[17-Jun-2007 19:12:59] <oakleeman> and the perf graphs are empty for the host
[17-Jun-2007 19:15:16] <oakleeman> looks like a gap in the perf graphs for the other servers too
[17-Jun-2007 19:15:40] <oakleeman> host machine is a P4-2.2 with 2GB of ram
[17-Jun-2007 19:15:45] <oakleeman> i'll try to keep an eye on the load
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[17-Jun-2007 21:25:20] <hanxin> hello, anyone here?
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[18-Jun-2007 04:17:46] <hanxin> hello, anyone has used non-English chars in zenoss?
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[18-Jun-2007 06:33:19] <_zack> regarding the IRC meeting of today: is 2 pm new york time? shouldn't that be EDT instead of EST?
[18-Jun-2007 06:45:46] <kompressor> what is the default username and password for the zenoss virtual appliance?
[18-Jun-2007 06:45:49] <kompressor> :-(
[18-Jun-2007 06:47:13] <jailbreaker__> uname: admin pwd: zenoss
[18-Jun-2007 06:47:20] <jailbreaker__> thats for the web ui
[18-Jun-2007 06:47:26] <jailbreaker__> AND its in the docs
[18-Jun-2007 06:47:44] <kompressor> jailbreaker__ and for the console?
[18-Jun-2007 06:47:52] <jailbreaker__> root no pass
[18-Jun-2007 06:48:17] <jailbreaker__> thats also in the docs ...
[18-Jun-2007 06:48:43] <kompressor> jailbreaker__, thanx :-) didnt download the docs...will do now
[18-Jun-2007 06:51:42] <kompressor> wow version 2.0 looks good :-)
[18-Jun-2007 06:52:52] <jailbreaker__> culd someone tell if there is a way for the performance graph to include a "label" with the device id ?
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[18-Jun-2007 07:41:33] <kompressor> hi cluther version 2.0 web interface looks good hey...
[18-Jun-2007 07:41:52] <cluther> morning, kompressor.
[18-Jun-2007 07:42:06] <kompressor> i guess the older versions admin guide does no longer apply for this version
[18-Jun-2007 07:42:37] <cluther> A lot of it still does, but the new admin guide is more complete.
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[18-Jun-2007 07:43:05] <kompressor> yes...ill have to download the new one just now
[18-Jun-2007 07:43:48] <cluther> It's getting to be quite a novel. 146 pages last time I checked.
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[18-Jun-2007 07:44:22] <kompressor> :-) eish
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[18-Jun-2007 08:58:36] <herbaliser> when i try to run the install script under ubuntu 7.04 feisty i get the error unable to find "patch" program anybody know how i can resolve this
[18-Jun-2007 08:59:38] <cluther_> herbaliser: You need the patch program.. I forget the name of the Ubuntu package.. try installing either the patch package or diffutils
[18-Jun-2007 09:01:19] <herbaliser> sudo apt-cache search patch return result --> maybe package name is simply patch
[18-Jun-2007 09:01:30] <herbaliser> will try
[18-Jun-2007 09:03:10] <herbaliser> patch it is
[18-Jun-2007 09:04:02] <herbaliser> tnx cluther
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[18-Jun-2007 11:12:33] <npmccallum> is it possible to have separate nodes which do the various scanning, etc and report back to the central admin host?
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[18-Jun-2007 11:15:21] <Bulwinkle> npmccallum: yes
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[18-Jun-2007 11:17:38] <creiht> npmccallum: I believe there is a section in the downloadable docs on how to do that
[18-Jun-2007 11:17:46] <creiht> I have not done it before though
[18-Jun-2007 11:18:08] <creiht> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs
[18-Jun-2007 11:18:08] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[18-Jun-2007 11:18:10] <creiht> It will be in the Zenoss Guide
[18-Jun-2007 11:18:26] <_zack> about the irc meeting: is that 2 pm new york time?
[18-Jun-2007 11:19:11] <creiht> _zack: irc meeting?
[18-Jun-2007 11:19:42] <bzed> 2:00 p.m. EST
[18-Jun-2007 11:20:47] <bzed> _zack: 5 hours differences to here according to my worldtimeclock
[18-Jun-2007 11:20:51] <_zack> bzed: ack
[18-Jun-2007 11:21:22] <creiht> bzed: What is the IRC meeting about?
[18-Jun-2007 11:21:38] <bzed> do you never read the mailinglists or mark's blog?
[18-Jun-2007 11:21:44] <creiht> hehe
[18-Jun-2007 11:21:46] <creiht> sometimes
[18-Jun-2007 11:21:52] <creiht> I've been really busy lately with work
[18-Jun-2007 11:21:54] <creiht> checking now
[18-Jun-2007 11:22:21] <bzed> http://blog.zenoss.com/
[18-Jun-2007 11:22:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss Blog (at blog.zenoss.com)
[18-Jun-2007 11:22:29] <creiht> ahh
[18-Jun-2007 11:22:30] <creiht> cool
[18-Jun-2007 11:22:56] <creiht> adds the zenoss blog feed to his RSS reader
[18-Jun-2007 11:24:33] <creiht> I need to get back in the loop
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[18-Jun-2007 12:16:04] <rkagin> Once you install ZenOSS, where are the default templates used to determine which devices get queried in certain ways (i.e. certain data is collected)? I'm currently in $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/, but only see the devices I loaded, and pickles inside (I assume the pickles are used to instantiate what sort of data is collected from each of the devices).
[18-Jun-2007 12:24:12] <cluther_> rkagin: You're looking for the Templates tab for devices or device classes.
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[18-Jun-2007 12:29:15] <rkagin> cluther_: I guess I don't understand: how does ZenOSS set up the default template? Is there not a file that says only run zenping on the device or run zencommand and zenping or whatever else?
[18-Jun-2007 12:30:09] <cluther_> rkagin: No, there aren't any files that say that. Everything is controlled via the templates assigned to the devices and zProperties.
[18-Jun-2007 12:30:40] <cluther_> rkagin: The template assigned to a device depends on what device class you have put it in.
[18-Jun-2007 12:31:09] <cluther_> rkagin: For example, a device in /Devices/Server/Linux will have a template applied to it that queries the Net-SNMP MIB.
[18-Jun-2007 12:31:28] <rkagin> cluther_: But the very first time, when there are no devices, and you load your first device in, how does it know what sort of checks are done on it?
[18-Jun-2007 12:31:30] <cluther_> rkagin: Where as a device put into /Devices/Network/Router/Cisco will have Cisco specific OIDS monitored.
[18-Jun-2007 12:31:49] <cluther_> rkagin: There are default templates pre-loaded into different points in the device class hierarchy.
[18-Jun-2007 12:32:06] <rkagin> cluther_: Where are these pre-loaded templates located in the code?
[18-Jun-2007 12:32:10] <cluther_> rkagin: You can use them as-is, take example from them, or a mixture of the two..
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[18-Jun-2007 12:33:04] <rkagin> cluther_: My /Devices directory only contains the devices I have loaded, and that's it - there's no sub-directories (because I haven't loaded devices in them?). Are you saying that these subdirectory templates already exist somewhere else?
[18-Jun-2007 12:33:12] <cluther_> rkagin: They are loaded from XML. If you really want to see them in this form for some reason, take a look in the $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/data directory.
[18-Jun-2007 12:33:42] <cluther_> rkagin: You should have things like /Network, /Server, /Power located under /Devices.
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[18-Jun-2007 12:33:50] <cluther_> rkagin: If you don't, your installation didn't complete successfully.
[18-Jun-2007 12:35:05] <rkagin> Well currently I don't 100% control the installation, but right now I don't have access to the web-interface of zenoss, only ssh'ing into it.
[18-Jun-2007 12:36:55] <rkagin> In $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/, the directory only contains directories for each device (which contains a pickle file). There are no other directories like /Network, /Server, etc. However, when I snuck a preview at the web interface, I am pretty sure I saw the folders existing.
[18-Jun-2007 12:37:07] <rkagin> By any chance, is this a small change between 1.9.7 and 2.0.0?
[18-Jun-2007 12:37:19] <creiht> rkagin: Those two things are totally different
[18-Jun-2007 12:37:30] <creiht> The web interface is totally separate of what you see on disk
[18-Jun-2007 12:37:51] <creiht> You are not really going to be able to see much of anything through a terminal
[18-Jun-2007 12:38:23] <creiht> The devices are organized in the web interface, and that is also where you will be able to see the templates
[18-Jun-2007 12:39:10] <rkagin> creiht: Fair enough. I guess I should just think of my next question and you'll answer it without seeing it (which has happened for the other two questions I typed out and almost asked).
[18-Jun-2007 12:39:24] <creiht> haha
[18-Jun-2007 12:40:22] <creiht> off to lunch
[18-Jun-2007 12:40:23] <creiht> bbl
[18-Jun-2007 12:40:39] <rkagin> creiht: Thanks for the help.
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[18-Jun-2007 12:47:48] <rkagin> cluther_: I guess I'm going to have to wait until I get access to the web-interface to view what queries are made. This is just under the perf tab, no?
[18-Jun-2007 12:49:19] <cluther_> Under 2.0 we renamed PerfConf to Templates.
[18-Jun-2007 12:49:27] <cluther_> That's where the definitions of what to monitor will be.
[18-Jun-2007 12:49:32] <cluther_> The Perf tab will have the resulting graphs.
[18-Jun-2007 12:50:06] <rkagin> Ok. I think we're still messing with 1.9.7, as I'm not responsible for updating the image to 2.0.0.
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[18-Jun-2007 13:07:24] <rkagin> Is there a view where you can see all templates, or do you have to go to each directory to view what template is used for that hierarchy?
[18-Jun-2007 13:07:52] <cluther> rkagin: Sure.. click on the menu icon (little down triangle) choose More->All Templates.
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[18-Jun-2007 13:11:07] <rkagin> cluther: I feel like an idiot, but I don't see this alleged "More" menu item. Just Main Views, Classes, Browse By, and Management (and their subsequent submenus).
[18-Jun-2007 13:11:32] <cluther> Up at the top of the table to the left of the "Classes" tab.
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[18-Jun-2007 13:14:11] <rkagin> cluther: Gotcha - was thinking of the wrong triangle (the one that drops down the Main Views, etc. menu).
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[18-Jun-2007 13:24:50] <Dislo> hey guys has anyone tried to install zenoss on gentoo
[18-Jun-2007 13:25:53] <solarce> one guy started about a month ago, he's still waiting for it to finish compiling :>
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[18-Jun-2007 13:30:10] <Dislo> solarce, good on it only took me two days to compile not like kde which took forever
[18-Jun-2007 13:30:44] <solarce> :>
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[18-Jun-2007 13:30:55] <cluther> solarce:
[18-Jun-2007 13:31:07] <_chris__> wow
[18-Jun-2007 13:31:12] <_chris__> lookit all these zenoss people
[18-Jun-2007 13:31:13] <_chris__>
[18-Jun-2007 13:31:24] <Tomi> you can say that again !!!
[18-Jun-2007 13:31:50] <Dislo> _chris__, as see i thought you were talking about how it took me forever to compile kde3
[18-Jun-2007 13:32:02] <Dislo> _chris__, kde*
[18-Jun-2007 13:32:14] <_chris__>
[18-Jun-2007 13:33:13] <Dislo> so i take it there isnt anyone stupid enough to help me out with zenoss gentoo problem in here
[18-Jun-2007 13:33:25] <_chris__> i can try
[18-Jun-2007 13:33:30] <_chris__> but i've been away from the gentoo for awhile....
[18-Jun-2007 13:33:34] <zombor> can anyone help me out with a problem? I'm trying to install, and I get this error "make: *** [pycrypto-install] Error 1" I am using debian
[18-Jun-2007 13:33:58] <_chris__> zombor: tail -200 zenbuild.log
[18-Jun-2007 13:35:02] <zombor> _chris__: http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5035
[18-Jun-2007 13:35:02] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.archlinux.org)
[18-Jun-2007 13:35:10] <zombor> i installed python-dev
[18-Jun-2007 13:35:40] <_chris__> zombor: you need to remove some of your pr0n
[18-Jun-2007 13:35:43] <_chris__> zombor: /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: No space left on device
[18-Jun-2007 13:36:03] <_chris__> zombor: just to be safe you can mail it to me and i'll keep a backup of it for you ;-)
[18-Jun-2007 13:36:14] <zombor> eh, no pr0n
[18-Jun-2007 13:36:20] <zombor> its a virtual machine hosted somewhere else
[18-Jun-2007 13:36:35] <zombor> um
[18-Jun-2007 13:36:47] <_chris__> zombor: df -h and look for something that's 100% full
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[18-Jun-2007 13:36:56] <zombor> /
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:01] <zombor> =/
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:30] <zombor> what is it trying to do to / ?
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:40] <_chris__> it's installing to /usr/local/zenoss
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:43] <zombor> i have GBs available in /usr
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:43] <_chris__> which could be on /
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:49] <Dislo> zombor, also try df on the machine that it is on
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:50] <_chris__> where is your download?
[18-Jun-2007 13:37:55] <_chris__> is it in /home/blah/zenoss?
[18-Jun-2007 13:38:00] <_chris__> sometimes /home is on /
[18-Jun-2007 13:38:04] <zombor> _chris__: yes, /root/
[18-Jun-2007 13:38:08] <zombor> oh
[18-Jun-2007 13:38:10] <zombor> drr
[18-Jun-2007 13:38:13] <_chris__> yup
[18-Jun-2007 13:38:14] <_chris__>
[18-Jun-2007 13:38:34] * zombor will move it to /home and try again
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[18-Jun-2007 13:39:58] <Dislo> ok so i am running zenoss on a vm and i cant get zenmodeler zenperfsnmp and zenprocess
[18-Jun-2007 13:40:01] <Dislo> to start
[18-Jun-2007 13:40:12] <_chris__> Dislo: what's in their logfiles? ($ZENHOME/log)
[18-Jun-2007 13:41:35] <Dislo> _chris__, there arent any
[18-Jun-2007 13:43:05] <Dislo> http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5036
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[18-Jun-2007 13:43:18] <solarce> edahl: I don't have any questions, I just want to say thanks for choosing to provide a VMware Appliance, it made it an easy sell to my boss to setup a test deployment, and thanks in general for making zenoss happen
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[18-Jun-2007 13:43:42] <_chris__> Dislo: what happens when you run "zenperfsnmp run -v 10"?
[18-Jun-2007 13:43:45] <zombor> _chris__: looks like its working, thanks
[18-Jun-2007 13:44:00] <_chris__> zombor: cool
[18-Jun-2007 13:44:14] <zombor> btw, it would be nice to have a debian package?
[18-Jun-2007 13:44:32] <_chris__> zombor: it's coming....
[18-Jun-2007 13:44:40] <zombor> ah
[18-Jun-2007 13:44:49] <zombor> =)
[18-Jun-2007 13:45:48] <_zack> is the question time already open?
[18-Jun-2007 13:47:10] <Dislo> _chris__, http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5037
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[18-Jun-2007 13:47:26] <rkagin> For anyone familiar with the templates, what's the difference between the default performance template OSProcess in /Devices (the CPU utilization monitor) and the default template Device in /Devices/Server (the CPU utilization monitor)? If some device is in /Devices/Server, is this just a duplicate monitor of the same information?
[18-Jun-2007 13:47:42] <_chris__> Dislo: what happens when you run "echo $ZENHOME"?
[18-Jun-2007 13:48:08] <Dislo> nothing it is a blank line
[18-Jun-2007 13:48:15] <_chris__> Dislo: that's a problem
[18-Jun-2007 13:48:33] <_chris__> Dislo: do you have a ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile that sets ZENHOME?
[18-Jun-2007 13:48:52] <_chris__> looks like you're running as root
[18-Jun-2007 13:48:53] <Dislo> no i just exported it into path i will go fix that
[18-Jun-2007 13:48:58] <_chris__> you should be running as the zenoss user
[18-Jun-2007 13:49:01] <_chris__> zenoss doesn't need root
[18-Jun-2007 13:49:15] <_chris__> for root stuff it uses a single setuid root program (zensocket) to do it's root business.
[18-Jun-2007 13:50:40] <Dislo> ok
[18-Jun-2007 13:51:37] <Aziraphale> rkagin: hmm, there are no oids in OsProcess, chances are it does bugger all
[18-Jun-2007 13:52:13] <rkagin> Aziraphale: So is the /Devices/Server check on CPU utilization a duplicate of the data?
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[18-Jun-2007 13:55:18] <Dislo> _chris__, do i need to set anything up with zensocket or is it already taken care of
[18-Jun-2007 13:55:21] <Aziraphale> duplicate of which data?
[18-Jun-2007 13:55:27] <joshb> Dislo: its already taken care of..
[18-Jun-2007 13:55:43] <Dislo> joshb, thanks
[18-Jun-2007 13:56:36] <rkagin> Aziraphale: /Devices/OSProcess collects CPU utilization, and /Devices/Server/Device collects CPU utilization as well. Is there a difference in this data, given that a device in /Devices/Server would have both templates acting on it?
[18-Jun-2007 13:57:28] <Aziraphale> OSProcess collects nothing, it has no OIDs
[18-Jun-2007 13:57:53] <cluther> Aziraphale: OSProcess is a special template handled by the zenprocess daemon. It does collect per-process CPU utilization and memory usage.
[18-Jun-2007 13:58:16] <cluther> rkagin: The data isn't duplicate.. OSProcess is per-process utilization, Device is for the whole OS.
[18-Jun-2007 13:58:26] <Aziraphale> cluther: where's the data coming from, without OISs?
[18-Jun-2007 13:58:30] <Aziraphale> OIDs even
[18-Jun-2007 13:58:48] <cluther> Aziraphale: The zenprocess daemons knows what the OIDs are, and has some specific logic to handle changing PIDs, etc..
[18-Jun-2007 13:59:04] <Aziraphale> cluther: oh, ok
[18-Jun-2007 13:59:36] <rkagin> cluther: Is this same delineation made between OSProcess and the Device template in /Network/Router/Cisco ?
[18-Jun-2007 13:59:54] <bzed> hey Mark-Zenoss
[18-Jun-2007 14:00:04] <bzed> got my mail?
[18-Jun-2007 14:00:07] <cluther> rkagin: It is made everywhere, but Cisco's don't expose the same per-process OIDs that servers do.
[18-Jun-2007 14:00:23] <Mark-Zenoss> Hi this is Mark the Zenoss Community Manager, we have Erik Dahl the Zenoss project lead here to answer any questions you like today
[18-Jun-2007 14:00:44] <Mark-Zenoss> hey bernd..got your mail, trying to figure out Amazon.de
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[18-Jun-2007 14:02:09] <joshb> hi
[18-Jun-2007 14:02:13] <_zack> hi all
[18-Jun-2007 14:02:17] <Mark-Zenoss> hey fellas
[18-Jun-2007 14:02:33] <Erik-Zenoss> these are really easy questions
[18-Jun-2007 14:02:36] <Erik-Zenoss>
[18-Jun-2007 14:02:42] <_zack> what's the process? moderation? open question time?
[18-Jun-2007 14:02:46] <joshb> so.. are there any plans to include some sort of "sysadmin log" that would be user defined per device?
[18-Jun-2007 14:03:09] <joshb> or is that beyond the scope of zen?
[18-Jun-2007 14:03:22] <Mark-Zenoss> just let your questions fly zack
[18-Jun-2007 14:03:24] <Erik-Zenoss> not sure I understand
[18-Jun-2007 14:03:28] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: ok
[18-Jun-2007 14:03:56] <Erik-Zenoss> do you mean something liek syslog?
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:16] <joshb> sorry.. well, most sysadmins keep "journals" of important changes to servers.. (ram failed, sysadmin replaced ram on 6/19/07, etc)
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:18] <_zack> my question is about the communication mechanism between zenoss.com and the community, I'll cut and paste my question (sorry for not posting this before on the blog post)
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:26] <_zack> I really like your company policy, in my mind you are one of the few which were able to merge *real* open source quality code and business.
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:26] <_zack> Nonethelss you are missing, IMO, an important bit in your community media: an open access wiki.
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:33] <_zack> That's why I opened http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/1647.
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:34] <_zack> Have you comment on that?
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:34] <_zack> Would you like to see such a wiki hosted by zenoss.com or even by third party (I'm volunteering on that) but at least supported by zenoss.com (with links and such)?
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[18-Jun-2007 14:04:51] <Erik-Zenoss> joshb: got it yes we would like to do something like that its kind like a trouble ticket system
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:55] <_zack> (take your time, I'm not in a hurry....)
[18-Jun-2007 14:04:59] <joshb> yes, like a ticket system
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:02] <Erik-Zenoss> but maybe something a little lighter
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:05] <Mark-Zenoss> Zack, what can you do with a Wiki that you couldn't do with plone? Just curious
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:05] <joshb> yep
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:18] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: for example you can change the structure of the site
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:21] <Erik-Zenoss> I think there is a ticket for htis
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:21] <joshb> somethign that I could run a query against that would return all entries in the past month on serverX
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:37] <_zack> right now your community web site is rather rigid in what can be changes and what can't
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:41] <Erik-Zenoss> also we want to be able to load documents with a device
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:46] <Erik-Zenoss> like a contract or something like it
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:48] <joshb> ah yes
[18-Jun-2007 14:05:50] <joshb> good idea!
[18-Jun-2007 14:06:14] <Mark-Zenoss> zack, that's fair, I have your ticket in my todo list, and I am meeting with the webmasters today
[18-Jun-2007 14:06:29] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: cool
[18-Jun-2007 14:06:42] <_zack> please note that I'm not strictly asking additional work from you guys
[18-Jun-2007 14:06:44] <bzed> Mark-Zenoss: i meant the mail from yesterday
[18-Jun-2007 14:07:02] <_zack> if you won't do that fine, I can (maybe under the behalf of the debian packaging process)
[18-Jun-2007 14:07:12] <_zack> but a wiki to be succesful needs publicity from you
[18-Jun-2007 14:07:17] <joshb> Ok.. what about reporting? I would like to see more advanced reporting features (customized reports based on data that is polled).. for instance, it would be nice if I could run a report that would return all of my Dell Service tags..
[18-Jun-2007 14:07:26] <Mark-Zenoss> bernd, checking
[18-Jun-2007 14:07:33] <_zack> so if it should be hosted outside zenoss.com we would really need you guys to advertise it on your website
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:03] <Erik-Zenoss> joshb: you can make a custom device report today
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:07] <joshb> o rly
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:19] <Erik-Zenoss> joshb: they are device focused though
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:22] <joshb> sorry, I have been super busy and haven't been able to play around with 2.0 as much as I would like..
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:23] <Mark-Zenoss> well if someone hosts something on their own, I am glad to publicize
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:44] <joshb> hm
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:44] <Aziraphale> Hmm, I reckon it's to splintered already between fora, mailing lists and ticket system...
[18-Jun-2007 14:08:49] <Mark-Zenoss> maybe we should just setup a wiki as a sandbox for you guys and you do what you like without our oversight
[18-Jun-2007 14:09:07] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: ok then, consider my ticket as an offer to set up a wiki elsewhere, then we would just need a "wiki" link in the comunity part of zenoss.com
[18-Jun-2007 14:09:11] <creiht> Mark-Zenoss: Is that still available with Trac?
[18-Jun-2007 14:09:34] <bzed> trac should have a wiki function, or it should be easily addable
[18-Jun-2007 14:09:52] <creiht> bzed: They used to have the trac wiki setup earlier
[18-Jun-2007 14:09:54] <_zack> bzed: trac has one, but the trac on zenoss.com is developer only and there is no way to register new users
[18-Jun-2007 14:09:59] <joshb> Erik-Zenoss: so I wouldn't be able to do a service tag report?
[18-Jun-2007 14:10:01] <creiht> ahhh
[18-Jun-2007 14:10:02] <Mark-Zenoss> okay, thanks Zack, we would probably be able to give you for range on an account, like wiki.zenoss.com but let me ask our web guys first
[18-Jun-2007 14:10:09] <bzed> _zack: true
[18-Jun-2007 14:10:11] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: sure, np
[18-Jun-2007 14:10:12] <Mark-Zenoss> no, creiht, no more wiki on Trac
[18-Jun-2007 14:10:20] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: many thanks
[18-Jun-2007 14:10:33] <Mark-Zenoss> your welcome, Zack, thanks for the suggestions
[18-Jun-2007 14:11:02] <Erik-Zenoss> joshb: not sure what is in a "service tag report" but if you are talking abou t the tag on a device should be no problem
[18-Jun-2007 14:11:27] <joshb> gr, cluther, not registered
[18-Jun-2007 14:11:31] <joshb> but, im messing with it now
[18-Jun-2007 14:11:42] <joshb> Erik-Zenoss: yeah, it's contained in the "Serial No" field on the status page
[18-Jun-2007 14:11:46] <_zack> other question, on the technical side: any plans to add a "zenoss federation" feature which enable multiple zenoss installation reporting stuff to each other? It has been asked several times on the forum with no decent answer so far.... Is it available in commercial zenoss? Will it be in future versione of -core?
[18-Jun-2007 14:12:27] <joshb> cluther: so I would just need a custom query?"
[18-Jun-2007 14:13:50] <Aziraphale> Also, is there a plan to have event views tied to users (ie a pareticular user can only see one device group)?
[18-Jun-2007 14:13:53] <Erik-Zenoss> _zack: we have a unified dashboard that is part of the enterprise subscription. It shows a summary of many zenoss instances on one page. you can drill into each instance from the dashboard and switch between instances with a top level navigation (its in an iframe)
[18-Jun-2007 14:14:07] <rkagin> _zack: I was under the impression this is somewhat related to distributed ZenOSS. Am I mistaken here?
[18-Jun-2007 14:14:39] <_zack> Erik-Zenoss: cool, but is in that case the underlying architecture a "star" or you can have arbitrarily graphs of zenoss instances?
[18-Jun-2007 14:14:59] <_zack> Erik-Zenoss: also, any plans to include it in any free versions of Zenoss? (I would understand a "no" answer :-) )
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:00] <Erik-Zenoss> rkagin: it unifies multiple zenoss masters which may have sub-collectors underneath them
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:11] <Erik-Zenoss> not today
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:23] <Erik-Zenoss> we have to make $$ somehow
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:27] <_zack>
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:49] <_zack> sure, you guys already provided for a lot of free software, you rocks for that
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:50] <rkagin> Erik: Is that not having multiple zenoss installations reporting stuff to each other?
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:57] <Erik-Zenoss> thanks!
[18-Jun-2007 14:15:59] <_zack> it's just a pity when it's not clear what the plans are ....
[18-Jun-2007 14:16:15] <Mark-Zenoss> zack, we are having a meeting this afternoon to figure it out
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[18-Jun-2007 14:16:25] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: this = ?
[18-Jun-2007 14:16:27] <Mark-Zenoss> when we know we'll make sure to share
[18-Jun-2007 14:16:41] <Mark-Zenoss> in otherwords we don't have our roadmap quite worked out
[18-Jun-2007 14:16:48] <_zack> fair enough
[18-Jun-2007 14:17:22] <Mark-Zenoss> we didn't look much past getting 2.0 and now getting that feedback (of which there was a lot) will inform when and how we add features
[18-Jun-2007 14:17:28] <_zack> what about the network architecture of zenoss federations (if you can say): is it a star topology or arbitrary?
[18-Jun-2007 14:17:55] <bzed> I think you'll get at least a list of stuff that really needs some rewriting in our function, like most of the start/stop/other shellscripts
[18-Jun-2007 14:18:08] <Erik-Zenoss> rkagin: the multi-dashboard (code named ZenMom) rolls up the event summaries from each zenoss master. So you can see events from all instances
[18-Jun-2007 14:18:26] <Erik-Zenoss> this isn't performance reporting across multiple masters for instance
[18-Jun-2007 14:19:18] <Aziraphale> any ideas yet about IPv6 support?
[18-Jun-2007 14:19:29] <rkagin> Erik: In other words, I can't do performance monitoring across distributed ZenOSS systems, i.e. if I have one behind a firewall and one at the main server, I can't do a total performance check?
[18-Jun-2007 14:19:36] <Erik-Zenoss> bzed: our start/stop scripts are perfect.
[18-Jun-2007 14:19:44] <bzed> *cough*
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[18-Jun-2007 14:19:56] <_zack> LOL
[18-Jun-2007 14:20:33] <Mark-Zenoss> bzed - Last email I see from you is from Thursday...
[18-Jun-2007 14:20:38] <bzed> hmm
[18-Jun-2007 14:20:39] <bzed> weird
[18-Jun-2007 14:21:03] <joshb> cluther: oh, wow, that was easy
how would I have known to use getHWSerialNumber if you hadn't of told me?[18-Jun-2007 14:21:04] <Mark-Zenoss> could be my mobile email munged my mail if you can resend I will gladly respond
[18-Jun-2007 14:21:05] <Erik-Zenoss> IPv6 when it comes to the top of the priority list. lots of ways things can get there. haven't thought about what implementing it would really mean
[18-Jun-2007 14:21:22] <bzed> Mark-Zenoss: i hope I didn;t send it to any other random Mark then
I mainly asked you if you were reading my blog and pointed you to http://bzed.de/blog/hacking_at_debconf [18-Jun-2007 14:22:01] <creiht> bzed: You rock!
[18-Jun-2007 14:22:02] <Mark-Zenoss> Oh, I did see your Hacking at debconf post that's very cool
[18-Jun-2007 14:22:02] <creiht>
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[18-Jun-2007 14:23:00] <Erik-Zenoss> guess IPv6 really is about parsing the addresses as they come in though auto-discovery and building the network data structure properly. including routes etc
[18-Jun-2007 14:23:06] <Erik-Zenoss> doesn't seem too hard
[18-Jun-2007 14:23:33] <bzed> rewriting the shellscripts is much related to #1442 btw
[18-Jun-2007 14:23:39] <Aziraphale> Erik-Zenoss: possibly some added commands (ping6/traceroute6)
[18-Jun-2007 14:24:15] <Erik-Zenoss> bzed: deb is working? rock on!
[18-Jun-2007 14:24:55] <Mark-Zenoss> sorry, bzed didn't realize that was the first official dpkg build i am now dancing a jig (It's not pretty
[18-Jun-2007 14:25:31] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: well, not really "official", it's not yet in the archive
[18-Jun-2007 14:25:31] <bzed> Erik-Zenoss: well, I'd not call it working
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[18-Jun-2007 14:25:45] <_zack> but I think we will have at least in experimental by the end of this week
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[18-Jun-2007 14:25:49] <bzed> Erik-Zenoss: it works if you know what you ahve to do manually yet
[18-Jun-2007 14:26:17] <Erik-Zenoss> right IPv6 we need to listen and send using the 6 api
[18-Jun-2007 14:26:25] <Aziraphale> bzed: hmm, will be interesting to see how you've resolved depenencies
[18-Jun-2007 14:26:34] <bzed> ibut all the dependencies should work, so if anybody is interested in pynetsnmp or wmi and others, they're all in debian's testing
[18-Jun-2007 14:26:38] <_zack> Erik-Zenoss: do you have any figure about how much code in -core has been contributed by community members? just curious...
[18-Jun-2007 14:27:19] <bzed> Aziraphale: most dependencies were in debian allready, and we've spent a lot of time on packaging the missing dependencies
[18-Jun-2007 14:27:36] <Erik-Zenoss> zack: don't have a great estimate of community contribution in -core
[18-Jun-2007 14:27:42] <Aziraphale> bzed: yeah, thinking about how to build a FreeBSD port
[18-Jun-2007 14:28:02] <Aziraphale> bzed: most deps would be in the ports tree already, too
[18-Jun-2007 14:28:14] <Erik-Zenoss> as a raw percentage I don't think its too large but we get lots more then
[18-Jun-2007 14:28:32] <Erik-Zenoss> strait code contribution
[18-Jun-2007 14:28:43] <_zack> I was asking because the python part seems to be really well shaped, so it should probably encourage people to contribute...
[18-Jun-2007 14:29:06] <Erik-Zenoss> zack: thanks
[18-Jun-2007 14:29:37] <Erik-Zenoss> its a big app so it can be hard to find the best place to contribute. making this process easier is a definite priority for us
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:03] <_zack> in this respect ZenPacks are good, I was astonished to discover that with them you can augment the data model
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:03] <Erik-Zenoss> of course documentation is always the forgotten child
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[18-Jun-2007 14:30:21] <bzed> Aziraphale: I think if we're done with the debian packaging and we've written down what we like to have changed in -core, and Erik and the other developers have implemented it (#1442 is a main part of that), I think it should become not much complicated anymore to create packages (or whatever else your favourite distribution is using). at the moment we're really patching a lot of stuff to get rid of $ZENHOME and other hardcoded paths
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:29] <Erik-Zenoss> you can do pretty much anything with a zenpack
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:29] <_zack> maybe you need a "market place" like CPAN and friends for uploading Packs
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:35] <Aziraphale> I'd say more people shoudld conribute their experiences with various non-ubiquitous devices
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:37] <Erik-Zenoss> we could develop the rest ofthe app with them
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:45] <_zack> at the very minimum you can even use the wiki for that
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:52] <bzed> Erik-Zenoss: read my lines to Aziraphale please
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:54] <creiht> Speaking of documentation... When are we going to get better docs for Zenpacks
[18-Jun-2007 14:30:54] <Erik-Zenoss> market place for zenpacks is definitely in our minds
[18-Jun-2007 14:31:05] <Mark-Zenoss> zack, that's totatlly the idea
[18-Jun-2007 14:31:09] <_zack> creiht: good question, seconded
[18-Jun-2007 14:31:15] <bzed> there's even a marketpalce for munin plugins, so you should REALLY have one
[18-Jun-2007 14:32:00] <Erik-Zenoss> bzed: i here you
[18-Jun-2007 14:32:21] <Aziraphale> bzed: that sounds like it'll make it much easier
[18-Jun-2007 14:32:41] <Erik-Zenoss> we were pretty maxed out trying to get 2.0 out the door
[18-Jun-2007 14:32:53] <Erik-Zenoss> 2.1 will be less about big new features
[18-Jun-2007 14:33:10] <bzed> Aziraphale: if you wanna have a look: http://sn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-zenoss/packages/zenoss << hope the link is right, didn;t test it yet
[18-Jun-2007 14:33:10] <Mark-Zenoss> so here's a question? If we set up a way for you guys to sell your plug-ins to other users is that something your interested in or more of an exchange, or both?
[18-Jun-2007 14:33:10] <Erik-Zenoss> and more about cleanup details etc
[18-Jun-2007 14:33:28] <bzed> Aziraphale: if you wanna have a look: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-zenoss/packages/zenoss
[18-Jun-2007 14:33:28] <Aziraphale> oh, and I really, really need the collector plugin howto
[18-Jun-2007 14:33:36] <bzed> zenoss-plugins is wainting in debian's new queue btw
[18-Jun-2007 14:33:44] <joshb> cluther: ok thanks for your help! is there anyway to manually populate the hwSerial field in the case that it is not automatically polled?
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:04] <Erik-Zenoss> collectors are so easy to write they don't need documentation.
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:24] <bzed> RTFS!
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:25] <bzed>
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:34] <Erik-Zenoss> they are also the cleanest part of the code!
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:36] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: I think you should be interested in providing an authoritative place where users can provide plugins and maybe rate them
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:50] <joshb> _zack, I agree.
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:50] <Erik-Zenoss> every time I look at them I want to barf
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:51] <Aziraphale> Erik-Zenoss: for a python god maybe
[18-Jun-2007 14:34:56] <_zack> that should hopefully create a virtuous cycle of people contributing plugins
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:15] <_zack> probably, assuming the wiki works, you wont need a special software for that, they wiki would be enough
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:16] <Erik-Zenoss> i'm looking for a plugin documentation ticket
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:16] <Aziraphale> it's more like how to integrate the collected data into the db
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:24] <_zack> i've seen that working for other wikis
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:29] <Mark-Zenoss> that's the idea, first step is to have really awesome documentation on Zenpacks
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:36] <creiht> yay!
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:38] <creiht>
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:39] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss: agreed
[18-Jun-2007 14:35:47] <Mark-Zenoss> we are now passing the buck on who owns the document
[18-Jun-2007 14:36:04] <Erik-Zenoss> aziraphale: yes plugin doc really needs a detailed description of the model
[18-Jun-2007 14:36:04] <joshb> cluther: nevermind, I'm a moron
[18-Jun-2007 14:36:12] <Mark-Zenoss> Jason is out of the office so I think he just got volunteered
[18-Jun-2007 14:36:19] <_zack> Mark-Zenoss:
[18-Jun-2007 14:36:45] <Aziraphale> I did add a template for Juniper routers to a ZenPack - can that now be simply added to another Zenoss instance?
[18-Jun-2007 14:36:52] <Erik-Zenoss> cluther are you hiding
[18-Jun-2007 14:36:54] <Erik-Zenoss> ?
[18-Jun-2007 14:37:00] <joshb> he is
[18-Jun-2007 14:37:01] <cluther> Not that I know of.
[18-Jun-2007 14:37:02] <Aziraphale> (don't have another one to test, etm)
[18-Jun-2007 14:38:21] <joshb> great job on 2.0 guys..
[18-Jun-2007 14:38:32] <Erik-Zenoss> aziraphale: you should be able to add it to any zenoss instance
[18-Jun-2007 14:38:33] <joshb> things are really starting to shape p
[18-Jun-2007 14:38:35] <joshb> up.
[18-Jun-2007 14:38:45] <Mark-Zenoss> Aziraphale - Are you talking about this : http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/1652?
[18-Jun-2007 14:38:45] <adytum-bot> Title: #1652 (RFC2096 RouteMap.py) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[18-Jun-2007 14:38:49] <Erik-Zenoss> clearly a system for sharing these is needed
[18-Jun-2007 14:39:26] <Aziraphale> Mark-Zenoss: nope, it's a performance template with Juniper proprietary OIDs
[18-Jun-2007 14:39:31] <joshb> now if I could only get WMI working
[18-Jun-2007 14:39:38] <Aziraphale> Mark-Zenoss: #1652 *is* mine though
[18-Jun-2007 14:39:59] <Erik-Zenoss> joshb: what's the issue with wmi?
[18-Jun-2007 14:40:06] <joshb> Erik-Zenoss: numerous errors..
[18-Jun-2007 14:40:09] <joshb> heres one: WMI error talking to lexibwiwsus01.na.follett.lan: com_error(1326): DOS code 0x0000052e
[18-Jun-2007 14:40:11] * Erik-Zenoss found a problem with 2.3.4 and zeneventlog today
[18-Jun-2007 14:40:25] <Erik-Zenoss> isn't that error clear?
[18-Jun-2007 14:40:29] <cluther> heh
[18-Jun-2007 14:40:31] <joshb> hah
[18-Jun-2007 14:40:54] <Erik-Zenoss> it comes after pcload error
[18-Jun-2007 14:41:02] <joshb> WMI error talking to lexibwilibs01.na.follett.lan: bad format char passed to Py_BuildValue
[18-Jun-2007 14:41:13] <Erik-Zenoss> yes that's the 2.3.4 error
[18-Jun-2007 14:41:18] <joshb> this particular device has a "Win Services" box
[18-Jun-2007 14:41:18] <Erik-Zenoss> python that is
[18-Jun-2007 14:41:20] <joshb> yeah i see that often
[18-Jun-2007 14:41:26] <joshb> but no services
[18-Jun-2007 14:41:28] <Erik-Zenoss> ecn is looking at it
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:11] <Erik-Zenoss> Py_BuildValue works in 2.4.3 so if you can upgrade to that it should start working
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:12] <Aziraphale> Mark-Zenoss: I like the way chris integrated that plugin, much cleaner than just replacing it
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:14] <joshb> WMI connect error on kyxxbwiextm01.na.follett.lan: com_error(88): DOS code 0x00000058
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:20] <joshb> ..
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:22] <_zack> other "community" question: what about localization of zenoss?
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:33] <Erik-Zenoss> i have no idea what com_error(88): DOS code 0x00000058 means
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:40] <_zack> have you any ready to use infrastructure for zenoss localization which can be passed over to the community
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:45] <Erik-Zenoss> but I did open a ticket to make the error messages better!
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:52] <joshb> hah
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:52] <joshb> ok
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:53] <_zack> so that one can just start translating strings and give the results back to you
[18-Jun-2007 14:42:59] <_zack> ?
[18-Jun-2007 14:43:37] <Erik-Zenoss> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/1679
[18-Jun-2007 14:43:37] <adytum-bot> Title: #1679 (Document Error Codes for zenwin) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[18-Jun-2007 14:44:08] <joshb> thanks
[18-Jun-2007 14:44:13] <Erik-Zenoss> we don't have the i18n infrastructure in place yet... zope has it but we need to change the templages for it to work (i think)
[18-Jun-2007 14:44:38] <Erik-Zenoss> once that's done translation stuff can get going
[18-Jun-2007 14:44:38] <_zack> I think right now the only way you have to do that is through new skins, which is suboptimal indeed
[18-Jun-2007 14:44:47] <Erik-Zenoss> yes
[18-Jun-2007 14:44:58] <Erik-Zenoss> of course there are all the log messages
[18-Jun-2007 14:44:58] <_zack> where is setting up the infrastructure in your todo list? bottom? :-)
[18-Jun-2007 14:45:53] <Erik-Zenoss> zenoss-3000
[18-Jun-2007 14:45:55] <Erik-Zenoss>
[18-Jun-2007 14:46:05] <_zack> :-P
[18-Jun-2007 14:46:29] <Erik-Zenoss> zenoss-3000 just means it hasn't been prioritized yet
[18-Jun-2007 14:46:29] <creiht> Is there going to be a Zencon anytime soon, or something like that?
[18-Jun-2007 14:46:42] <bzed> Erik-Zenoss: I hope that'll be out before py-3000
[18-Jun-2007 14:46:45] <Erik-Zenoss> not htat we don't think its important or that it won't happen soon ish
[18-Jun-2007 14:47:06] <Erik-Zenoss> will we ever get to py-3000?
[18-Jun-2007 14:47:18] <Erik-Zenoss> I think its for the next generation...
[18-Jun-2007 14:47:29] <creiht> Perhaps something to jumpstart community development/zenpack development?
[18-Jun-2007 14:47:41] <_zack> well, actually I don't think it's that important, since sysadms know english everywhere; but still for adoptions in some particular environments (since at public administration) it might be a requirement
[18-Jun-2007 14:47:56] <_zack> s/since/think (sorry)
[18-Jun-2007 14:47:59] <Erik-Zenoss> good feedback
[18-Jun-2007 14:49:33] <Erik-Zenoss> I like input that == less work
[18-Jun-2007 14:49:40] <Aziraphale> heh
[18-Jun-2007 14:50:18] <Erik-Zenoss> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/1577 i18n
[18-Jun-2007 14:50:18] <adytum-bot> Title: #1577 (Internationalization of Zenoss) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[18-Jun-2007 14:50:47] <Erik-Zenoss> seems like we still get a fair amount of unicode issues that come in though discovery
[18-Jun-2007 14:51:09] <Erik-Zenoss> that's the more pressing part of the issue i think
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:00] <bzed> ecn: any plan to get rid of twistedsnmp completely soon?
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:02] <bzed> Daemon: zentrap starting...
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:02] <bzed> Traceback (most recent call last):
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:02] <bzed> File "/var/lib/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/zentrap.py", line 42, in ?
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:02] <bzed> from twistedsnmp import snmpprotocol
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:03] <bzed> ImportError: No module named twistedsnmp
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:42] <_zack> bzed: aargh!
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:47] <bzed>
[18-Jun-2007 14:53:52] <Aziraphale> bzed: looks like you got rid of it already
[18-Jun-2007 14:54:05] <Dislo> hey guys i am having trouble getting soem daemons to start running
[18-Jun-2007 14:54:12] <Erik-Zenoss> hum I thought it was gone
[18-Jun-2007 14:54:12] <bzed> Aziraphale: _zack had packaged it a while ago anyway, but it means we have to depend on even more stuff
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[18-Jun-2007 14:54:37] <_zack> ....and actually twistedsnmp wasn't that stable....
[18-Jun-2007 14:54:45] <ecn> bzed: the plan is to get rid of it, but I've not figured out how to make python get traps out of net-snmp
[18-Jun-2007 14:55:28] <bzed> ecn: there's a oy binding shipped with the new netsnmp, probably you wanna have a look into that
[18-Jun-2007 14:56:33] <bzed> as far as I remember they're not using a ctypes binding, which is the way to prefer imho
[18-Jun-2007 14:56:57] <ecn> bzed: as long as its async, i have no desire to be the net-snmp python guy
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[18-Jun-2007 14:57:43] <Erik-Zenoss> last we looked the net-snmp binding was sync only
[18-Jun-2007 14:57:54] <Erik-Zenoss> hence our implementation
[18-Jun-2007 14:58:11] <bzed> ah ok
[18-Jun-2007 14:58:14] <bzed> never looked into it
[18-Jun-2007 15:00:06] <Dislo> ok so i am running zenoss on a vm and i cant get zenmodeler zenperfsnmp and zenprocess to start and there arent any log files
[18-Jun-2007 15:01:48] <ecn> Dislo: run like this:
[18-Jun-2007 15:01:52] <ecn> zenprocess run -v 10
[18-Jun-2007 15:02:02] <_chris__> ecn: he doesn't have ZENHOME set
[18-Jun-2007 15:02:07] <_chris__> he was running it as root before
[18-Jun-2007 15:02:15] <joshb> you still running it as root?
[18-Jun-2007 15:02:39] <joshb> export ZENHOME and try again as zenoss..
[18-Jun-2007 15:03:50] <Mark-Zenoss> well I got log out for a while, thanks everyone for showing up
[18-Jun-2007 15:03:58] <Erik-Zenoss> good talking to you guys!
[18-Jun-2007 15:04:13] <_zack> Erik-Zenoss: thanks you, a lot!
[18-Jun-2007 15:04:20] <Mark-Zenoss> nick /mrhinkle_away
[18-Jun-2007 15:04:30] <bzed> thanks guys, for fixing all the coming tickets
[18-Jun-2007 15:04:47] <Aziraphale> cheers lads
[18-Jun-2007 15:04:48] <Erik-Zenoss> np we love tickets
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[18-Jun-2007 15:04:52] <joshb> yep, seeya.
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[18-Jun-2007 15:07:43] <Dislo> hey guys i ran "zenprocess run -v 10" and this is my output http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5053
[18-Jun-2007 15:07:43] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.archlinux.org)
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[18-Jun-2007 15:09:33] <_chris__> Dislo: is your LD_LIBRARY_PATH set
[18-Jun-2007 15:09:50] <Dislo> _chris__, i dont know what that is so probably not
[18-Jun-2007 15:10:09] <_chris__> it should be set in zenoss' ~/.bashrc
[18-Jun-2007 15:10:16] <_chris__> it should point to $ZENHOME/lib
[18-Jun-2007 15:11:16] <Dislo> so export $LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$ZENHOME/lib
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[18-Jun-2007 15:12:06] <Aziraphale> no, export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:$ZENHOME/lib
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[18-Jun-2007 15:12:23] <Aziraphale> don't want to lose the system-wide one
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[18-Jun-2007 15:15:49] <Dislo> ah ok Aziraphale
[18-Jun-2007 15:15:57] <zombor> how can i switch the port from 8080 to just 80?
[18-Jun-2007 15:16:41] <giesen> my graphs have stopped updating after moving to 2.0
[18-Jun-2007 15:16:47] <giesen> all showing nan (not a number)
[18-Jun-2007 15:16:56] <giesen> how do I go about fixing this?
[18-Jun-2007 15:19:14] <gumpa> I arrived late, will a transcript of the chat be available?
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[18-Jun-2007 15:23:17] <rkagin> gumpa: At the end of the month, a transcript is posted of the IRC channel. As for this particular conversation, I'm not sure if that is the case.
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[18-Jun-2007 15:25:48] <mrhinkle> Hey Peter !
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[18-Jun-2007 15:29:19] <mrhinkle> bzed - http://blog.zenoss.com
[18-Jun-2007 15:29:19] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss Blog (at blog.zenoss.com)
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[18-Jun-2007 15:40:49] <bzed> mrhinkle: great!
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[18-Jun-2007 15:48:31] <zombor> can anyone help me out, im getting an error when I load a device: http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5054
[18-Jun-2007 15:48:31] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.archlinux.org)
[18-Jun-2007 15:48:45] <zombor> looks like $ZENHOME env variable is not being set?
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[18-Jun-2007 16:34:39] <|__rb__|> need some help, configure zenoss to monitor a tcp port and alert when it's not accessable/down, would appricate it
[18-Jun-2007 16:44:25] <giesen> |__rb__|: zenoss should list all open ports when you initially add the device
[18-Jun-2007 16:45:07] <|__rb__|> how can I specify what port I wan to monitor on which server
[18-Jun-2007 16:45:28] <giesen> if you go to the device
[18-Jun-2007 16:45:46] <giesen> and then click on the OS tab
[18-Jun-2007 16:45:51] <giesen> it lists all open ports
[18-Jun-2007 16:45:58] <giesen> well, open well-known ports
[18-Jun-2007 16:46:08] <giesen> and you can check whether you want to monitor it or not
[18-Jun-2007 16:47:12] <|__rb__|> under that device, under os, there is nothing listed
[18-Jun-2007 16:47:41] <solarce> you have to lower your shields for it to detect the OS
[18-Jun-2007 16:47:59] <giesen> is the device running SNMP?
[18-Jun-2007 16:48:04] <|__rb__|> yes
[18-Jun-2007 16:48:12] <|__rb__|> it's a redhat machine
[18-Jun-2007 16:48:21] <giesen> you should see a panel called IP Services
[18-Jun-2007 16:48:27] <giesen> and you can add services as well
[18-Jun-2007 16:49:04] <|__rb__|> ip services, whrere under that device or under devices in general
[18-Jun-2007 16:49:43] <giesen> under that device
[18-Jun-2007 16:49:45] <giesen> on the OS tab
[18-Jun-2007 16:50:12] <|__rb__|> yep, there isnothing there, it only has interfaces and routes, and they are both empty
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[18-Jun-2007 16:54:23] <|__rb__|> any ideas??
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[18-Jun-2007 17:05:54] <creiht> |__rb__|: First ensure that snmp is exposed properly so that the poller can read the information
[18-Jun-2007 17:06:20] <creiht> Try doing an snmp walk from the zenoss box of the box to make sure it can pull information
[18-Jun-2007 17:06:29] <creiht> Also make sure it is exposing all of the information
[18-Jun-2007 17:06:42] <creiht> The default snmpd.conf file only exposes a small amount of the data
[18-Jun-2007 17:07:33] <creiht> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/configuration-of-netsnmp-for-use-with-zenoss/
[18-Jun-2007 17:07:33] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[18-Jun-2007 17:07:34] <creiht> Is a good reference for a default snmpd.conf
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[18-Jun-2007 17:20:52] <rkagin> Does anyone know when ZenOSS detects and identifies a router, does it grab the routing table or generate it itself? I'm looking in RouteMap.py right now, and it seems that it does SNMP to get the information, but I am not sure if it's getting the routing table itself or if it's getting individual IPs that go through the router.
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[18-Jun-2007 17:35:44] <Aziraphale> rkagin: the routing table is a set of data defined in the RFC1213 or RFC2096 mibs
[18-Jun-2007 17:35:58] <Aziraphale> routers export one or the other, or both
[18-Jun-2007 17:36:16] <Dislo> hey guys I am still having no luck getting zenmodeler i keep on getting this set of errors http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5053
[18-Jun-2007 17:36:16] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.archlinux.org)
[18-Jun-2007 17:36:54] <Aziraphale> rkagin: so, zenoss actually gets the routing tabe data the router keeps
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[18-Jun-2007 17:54:12] <gumshoes> Hi, is there an easy way to get the network IO graphs (ethernetCsmacd) to display total bytes transferred for the displayed time period?
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[18-Jun-2007 18:10:57] <rkagin> Thanks Aziraphale - sorry for not responding sooner.
[18-Jun-2007 18:14:22] <lst> bzed: were you recommending netsnmpc?
[18-Jun-2007 18:15:41] <lst> ha, nevermind.. he left
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[18-Jun-2007 18:28:36] <Dislo> hey guys I am still having no luck getting zenmodeler i keep on getting this set of errors http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5053
[18-Jun-2007 18:28:36] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.archlinux.org)
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[18-Jun-2007 22:48:48] <antidrugue> hi everyone, on a fresh centos 5 installation, i get errors about "/opt/zenoss/bin/zeoctl" and "/opt/zenoss/bin/zopectl" when starting zenoss 2.0
[18-Jun-2007 22:49:50] <antidrugue> i did follow the instructions posted there: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/install-guides/install-on-redhat-enterprise-linux/
[18-Jun-2007 22:49:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[18-Jun-2007 22:50:21] <antidrugue> and had great success with zenoss 1.2 on centos 5 in the past... so what could be wrong ?
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[19-Jun-2007 08:33:23] <andrew_p> anydoby has idea what causes this error:
[19-Jun-2007 08:33:36] <andrew_p> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:getting device ping issues
[19-Jun-2007 08:33:36] <andrew_p> INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:Unresponsive devices: [[host.domain.com', 1, 2236]]
[19-Jun-2007 08:33:36] <andrew_p> INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:collected 0 of 0 devices in 0.00
[19-Jun-2007 08:33:36] <andrew_p> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:Sent 0 SNMP OID requests
[19-Jun-2007 08:34:26] <andrew_p> i think graphs aren't generated because of that. maybe zenping is not compatible with freebsd, what do you think?
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[19-Jun-2007 08:58:06] <jp10558> Hey, I'm trying to install Zenoss Core 2 on SL4 (RHEL4 derivative) and it keeps asking for MySQL-Client ... now I installed the RPMForge repository and installed MySql 5.0.44... but it looks like the RPM of Zenoss didn't see it yet
[19-Jun-2007 08:58:31] <jp10558> any ideas about RPMs for RHEL4 that will make the Zenoss 2 RPM happy?
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[19-Jun-2007 09:25:58] <OS|Marcelo> hello
[19-Jun-2007 09:27:04] <bzed> where does the zen.Ping:failed to parse host unreachable packet - warning come from usually?
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[19-Jun-2007 09:36:27] <zombor> can anyone help me out with a problem? When I try and add a device, I get a screen with this: http://pastebin.archlinux.org/5103
[19-Jun-2007 09:36:27] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.archlinux.org)
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[19-Jun-2007 09:37:41] <andrew_p> zombor: have you exported ZENHOME variable as described in INSTALL.txt?
[19-Jun-2007 09:38:20] <zombor> andrew_p: I followed the instructions at http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/installing-zenoss-on-debian-sarge/?searchterm=zenhome
[19-Jun-2007 09:38:20] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
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[19-Jun-2007 09:40:25] <andrew_p> zombor: maybe the variables in .bashrc or sudoers do not come into effect somehow. do "su zenoss" as root and then echo $ZENHOME; echo $PYTHONPATH
[19-Jun-2007 09:42:32] <zombor> ok, they are empty, I must have not done something right
[19-Jun-2007 09:42:43] <zombor> after I fix that do i just need to restart zen?
[19-Jun-2007 09:43:05] <andrew_p> zombor: for now you may do zenoss restart as zenoss user and it should work
[19-Jun-2007 09:43:17] <andrew_p> zombor: yes
[19-Jun-2007 09:43:25] <zombor> alright, ill work on it
[19-Jun-2007 09:46:13] <OS|Marcelo> i cant start zenhub
[19-Jun-2007 09:46:27] <OS|Marcelo> twisted.internet.error.CannotListenError: Couldn't listen on any:8789: (98, 'Address already in use').
[19-Jun-2007 09:46:55] <OS|Marcelo> how can i see which program use this port?
[19-Jun-2007 09:50:20] <OS|Marcelo> ok friends, i have all daemons running
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[19-Jun-2007 09:50:45] <zombor> andrew_p: im still getting the same error, i can echo both variables referenced above
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[19-Jun-2007 09:54:24] <andrew_p> zombor: have you restarted all the daemons? then launch python shell as zenoss user and type two lines: import os, print os.environ['ZENHOME']
[19-Jun-2007 09:55:02] <zombor> yes, i did `zenoss restart` as zenoss user
[19-Jun-2007 09:55:09] <andrew_p> hm..
[19-Jun-2007 09:55:16] <zombor> ill try the python thing
[19-Jun-2007 09:55:40] <zombor> yea, i get the correct output from python =/
[19-Jun-2007 09:55:53] <zombor> let me try re adding the device again
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[19-Jun-2007 10:04:03] <bzed> hey creiht
[19-Jun-2007 10:04:44] <bzed> any idea where "failed to parse host unreachable packet" results from?
[19-Jun-2007 10:04:49] <bzed> the host is pingable for sure
[19-Jun-2007 10:05:23] <creiht> bzed: howdy
[19-Jun-2007 10:05:31] <zombor> andrew_p: no luck
[19-Jun-2007 10:05:32] <creiht> hmmm
[19-Jun-2007 10:05:43] <creiht> I haven't seen that before
[19-Jun-2007 10:05:45] <creiht> I'm not sure
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[19-Jun-2007 10:07:05] <andrew_p> i don't know.. i'd say that debian has some beels and whistles that mess up the variables
[19-Jun-2007 10:08:25] <zombor> ill try asking in #debian
[19-Jun-2007 10:08:27] <OS|Marcelo> can you help me to show the file systems?
[19-Jun-2007 10:08:41] <OS|Marcelo> i see only the total bytes
[19-Jun-2007 10:08:49] <OS|Marcelo> but not used bytes?
[19-Jun-2007 10:08:55] <OS|Marcelo> how can i make it working?
[19-Jun-2007 10:10:45] <OS|Marcelo> ok, sorry
[19-Jun-2007 10:10:48] <OS|Marcelo> its working now
[19-Jun-2007 10:10:53] <OS|Marcelo> it needs some time
[19-Jun-2007 10:11:03] <bzed> creiht: too bad, thanks
[19-Jun-2007 10:11:18] <bzed> creiht: I think I'm still missing something in the install
[19-Jun-2007 10:11:50] <creiht> hmm
[19-Jun-2007 10:12:02] <creiht> Do you see that in one of the logs?
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[19-Jun-2007 10:12:26] <creiht> btw... I'm not a dev... just a happy user
[19-Jun-2007 10:12:31] <creiht> just in case
[19-Jun-2007 10:12:31] <bzed> i know
[19-Jun-2007 10:12:33] <creiht> ok
[19-Jun-2007 10:12:38] <bzed> but I'm not even a user .. yet
[19-Jun-2007 10:12:42] <creiht> hehe
[19-Jun-2007 10:12:52] <creiht> Where do you see that error message?
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[19-Jun-2007 10:19:04] <bzed> ------
[19-Jun-2007 10:19:04] <bzed> 2007-06-19T15:14:23 INFO zen WARNING:zen.Ping:failed to parse host unreachable packet
[19-Jun-2007 10:19:04] <bzed> ------
[19-Jun-2007 10:19:46] <creiht> bzed: And you have a host configured in zenoss?
[19-Jun-2007 10:19:56] <bzed> creiht: while adding a new device (which doesn't succeed then), same for auto-discovered devices and manually added devices
[19-Jun-2007 10:20:00] <bzed> localhost.localdomain is configured
[19-Jun-2007 10:20:20] <bzed> iit should be a normal, empty ddefault installation
[19-Jun-2007 10:20:25] <creiht> Are you adding the device by the hostname or the ip?
[19-Jun-2007 10:20:37] <bzed> tried both, same result
[19-Jun-2007 10:20:56] <creiht> so a weird question... are you typing it in manually or copy and pasting
[19-Jun-2007 10:21:15] <creiht> I'm asking since if an extra space gets added at the beginning or the end, it might cause a problem
[19-Jun-2007 10:21:29] <creiht> I think that was supposed to be fixed though
[19-Jun-2007 10:21:53] <creiht> bzed: This is on 2.0 right?
[19-Jun-2007 10:22:04] <bzed> yes
[19-Jun-2007 10:22:15] <bzed> uh
[19-Jun-2007 10:22:22] <bzed> no clue, I'll try it again
[19-Jun-2007 10:22:36] <bzed> but as it;'s the same for auto-discovered devices, I think it shouldn;t be the problem
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[19-Jun-2007 10:23:38] <creiht> ahh
[19-Jun-2007 10:23:45] <bzed> no
[19-Jun-2007 10:23:45] <creiht> let me look at the code real quick
[19-Jun-2007 10:23:47] <bzed> makes no difference
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[19-Jun-2007 10:24:14] <creiht> bzed: or you can ask cluther to see if he knows
[19-Jun-2007 10:24:15] <moredakka> hey, have a quick question. What causes a heartbeat failure?
[19-Jun-2007 10:24:41] <creiht> moredakka: When zenoss realizes that one of it's intenral services is not working correctly
[19-Jun-2007 10:26:49] <moredakka> Cause I've had heartbeat failures on zenmodler and zenping...the zenping seems to have been fixed since I lowered the amount of pings per device but the modeler is a new one.
[19-Jun-2007 10:28:56] <cluther> moredakka: zenmodeler can't fail to heartbeat regularly if some devices take a long time to model. I've seen this solved by adding "parallel 1" to the zenmodeler.conf file.
[19-Jun-2007 10:28:59] <zombor> how do I completely restart zenoss, I cant seem to get zope to work correctly now, its not opening port 80
[19-Jun-2007 10:29:12] <zombor> so i cant connect
[19-Jun-2007 10:29:23] <zombor> i tried zopectl stop and start
[19-Jun-2007 10:29:25] <bzed> creiht: will do
he wasn't around before, so I asked you[19-Jun-2007 10:30:21] <bzed> cluther: any idea where "failed to parse host unreachable packet" result from? as far as I understand the source, it doesn;t manage to parse/handle the icmp packet, but how could that be happen?
[19-Jun-2007 10:30:55] <moredakka> cluther: The zenmodeler.conf file is empty. Do I just add that line in the empty file?
[19-Jun-2007 10:31:11] <cluther> moredakka: Right, then restart zenmodeler.
[19-Jun-2007 10:31:54] <andrew_p> zombor: 8080? it may take a while before zope starts responding, at least i went into it several times...
[19-Jun-2007 10:32:22] <moredakka> cluther: thanks, I'll give that a shot. While I have your attention can you look at topic http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2213 ?
[19-Jun-2007 10:32:22] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Zenos not Alerting on CLEAR properly (BUG?) (at community.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 10:32:22] <zombor> andrew_p: i changed it to port 80, since 8080 is firewalled
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:22] <zombor> so even though the services have started, it might not respond?
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:34] <bzed> zombor: zope is not allowed to bind to port 80
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:49] <moredakka> cluther: Is that with or without quotes on the "parallel 1"?
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:50] <zombor> bzed: well it was working before i killed it
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:56] <andrew_p> since cluther has arrived, i will ask my question again
any idea what causes this?[19-Jun-2007 10:33:56] <andrew_p> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:getting device ping issues
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:56] <andrew_p> INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:Unresponsive devices: [[host.domain.com', 1, 2236]]
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:56] <andrew_p> INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:collected 0 of 0 devices in 0.00
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:56] <andrew_p> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:Sent 0 SNMP OID requests
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:57] <andrew_p> i think graphs aren't generated because of that. maybe some zenping/freebsd compatibility problems, what do you think?
[19-Jun-2007 10:33:58] <bzed> zombor: binding to ports < 1024 is not allowed for services running not as root
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:01] <cluther> moredakka: without
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:20] <zombor> i must have started zope as root then
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:26] <creiht> bzed: I'm looking at the code
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:32] <creiht> According to the error you are getting
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:33] <cluther> bzed: That unreachable packet problem has raised its head a couple of times. If I remember correctly, moredakka had it at one point.
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:41] <moredakka> thnx cluther
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:49] <zombor> bzed: so theres no way to run zenoss on port 80?
[19-Jun-2007 10:34:56] <creiht> It is receiving a packet
[19-Jun-2007 10:35:08] <creiht> returned from the ping
[19-Jun-2007 10:35:09] <cluther> bzed: I thought this was fixed with more permissive handling of ICMP packets in 1.1.2, but apparently not.
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[19-Jun-2007 10:35:30] <creiht> but can't parse the packet being returned from the host
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[19-Jun-2007 10:37:07] <cluther> bzed: Is this a Linux box with iptables running on it that's returning the unreachable?
[19-Jun-2007 10:37:31] <bzed> cluther: it's my development box at the debian conference at the moment, and it has no firewall rules applied at all
[19-Jun-2007 10:37:48] <giesen> I'm getting an error that zenstatus is unable to connect to zenhub
[19-Jun-2007 10:37:56] <giesen> anyone know how to troubleshoot/correct this?
[19-Jun-2007 10:38:13] <bzed> zombor: in your case I'd use an apache and proxy-rewriting, you could put zenoss on ssl at the same time using that
[19-Jun-2007 10:39:00] <bzed> cluther: and I'm running the svn trunk from yesterday or so, but as far as I remember there were no changes regarding that since then
[19-Jun-2007 10:39:06] <zombor> bzed: are there instructions somewhere to use apache? I would really rather use that anyway
[19-Jun-2007 10:39:21] <giesen> nm I corrected it
[19-Jun-2007 10:40:16] <bzed> zombor: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/setup-zenoss-with-apache/
[19-Jun-2007 10:40:16] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
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[19-Jun-2007 10:40:16] <zombor> bzed: thanks
[19-Jun-2007 10:40:23] <bzed> zombor: for non-ssl connections it works in the same way, just don;t configure ssl for the virtual host
[19-Jun-2007 10:40:30] <zombor> yep
[19-Jun-2007 10:40:50] <bzed> and use port 80 of course
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[19-Jun-2007 10:41:30] <zombor> why does zenoss run as a non-privileged user?
[19-Jun-2007 10:42:12] <bzed> do you raun all servers as root?
[19-Jun-2007 10:42:20] <bzed> *run
[19-Jun-2007 10:42:34] <zombor> apache, etc
[19-Jun-2007 10:42:43] <bzed> are you sure?
[19-Jun-2007 10:43:00] <creiht> bzed: Well looks like I was partly wrong... I misread part of the code... It's for some reason unreachable
[19-Jun-2007 10:43:01] <spike> can anybody tell me if zenoss does any additional graphing compared to what nagios does?
[19-Jun-2007 10:43:19] <spike> or if it's just nagios' perfdata/what nagios supports by itself
[19-Jun-2007 10:43:33] <creiht> bzed: The box that you are running zenoss on, does it have any firewall running?
[19-Jun-2007 10:43:39] <bzed> creiht: no
[19-Jun-2007 10:43:53] <bzed> creiht: but it is reachable, and even if there is an an icmp host unreachable reply, it should be able to parse it
[19-Jun-2007 10:44:39] <cluther> bzed: You could take out the try,except to see exactly which one of those statements is throwing the ValueError.
[19-Jun-2007 10:45:18] <cluther> bzed: It could be a couple of things.. maybe the jobqueue doesn't contain the dip (destination ip) because some other host is sending you unreachables for completely legitimate reasons.
[19-Jun-2007 10:45:31] <giesen> woo that fixed my other problem
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[19-Jun-2007 10:47:54] <bzed> cluther: hmm, I could imagine that we stukk have some pretty weird network issues here
[19-Jun-2007 10:48:11] <bzed> cluther: it's a conference withou any fixed cabled netowrk
[19-Jun-2007 10:48:23] <bzed> crazy things goign on here sometimes
[19-Jun-2007 10:48:24] <cluther> bzed: Can you feel the waves?
[19-Jun-2007 10:48:32] <bzed> sure
[19-Jun-2007 10:49:03] <zombor> bzed: I still need to run zope when using apache?
[19-Jun-2007 10:49:09] <bzed> zombor: yes
[19-Jun-2007 10:49:16] <zombor> =/
[19-Jun-2007 10:49:31] <bzed> zombor: zope is a web application framework
[19-Jun-2007 10:49:56] <zombor> with a built in webserver?
[19-Jun-2007 10:49:59] <bzed> zombor: it's pretty common to run it behind an apache
[19-Jun-2007 10:50:02] <bzed> sure
[19-Jun-2007 10:50:04] <bzed> even more
[19-Jun-2007 10:50:10] <bzed> webdave, ftp and a lot of other stuff
[19-Jun-2007 10:50:35] <bzed> it's really great stuff
[19-Jun-2007 10:51:27] <zombor> i guess im just used to my framework, which is pretty lightweight and doesnt do all that stuff =)
[19-Jun-2007 10:51:45] <bzed> izope is not lightweight, definitely
[19-Jun-2007 10:52:36] <bzed> but it provides a lot of things smaller frameworks definitely can;t provide
[19-Jun-2007 10:52:57] <bzed> cluther: so you think it could just be some crazyness of the network here?
[19-Jun-2007 10:53:15] <bzed> cluther: I'll grab wireshark and ahve a look on the icmp packets
[19-Jun-2007 10:54:10] <cluther> bzed: I think it shouldn't cause monitoring problems, but I also think that whatever it is shouldn't cause a warning log.
[19-Jun-2007 10:54:31] <cluther> bzed: I'm not sure about the cause though, so I can't say for sure.
[19-Jun-2007 10:55:15] <bzed> cluther: I'll have a look at the packaets arriving at my nic first
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[19-Jun-2007 11:00:40] <creiht> bzed: I've had similar problems on another monitoring system
[19-Jun-2007 11:00:51] <creiht> And it is usually due to bad network configs
[19-Jun-2007 11:01:40] <creiht> Things like having the netmask set incorrectly, or having odd routes that send outgoing traffic through another interface
[19-Jun-2007 11:01:58] <creiht> command line ping is a bit more forgiving
[19-Jun-2007 11:02:07] <creiht> in these types of circumstances
[19-Jun-2007 11:02:25] <creiht> Also bad NAT configs
[19-Jun-2007 11:09:21] <Aziraphale> whoah, icmp UNREACH packets are not bad network config
[19-Jun-2007 11:09:42] <Aziraphale> the downstream router from an unreachable host is supposed to send them
[19-Jun-2007 11:10:13] <Aziraphale> (if the host *is* unreachable that is)
[19-Jun-2007 11:10:46] <moredakka> cluther: Are you still around? if so, my zenping heartbeat failure is showing it's ugly face again. I'm not sure what I can do about it.
[19-Jun-2007 11:10:58] <moredakka> Are you able to help with this issue?
[19-Jun-2007 11:13:08] <creiht> Aziraphale: Sorry... I was just saying that I have seen similar behavior
[19-Jun-2007 11:13:54] <creiht> The code is saying it is unreachable, but it may not be actually because it is unreachable but because of some other error
[19-Jun-2007 11:14:22] <creiht> but at this point it is getting a bit over my head, so just trying to give some ideas to brainstorm
[19-Jun-2007 11:14:30] <Aziraphale> creiht: ah, ok. If I nsee them it's usually because the d/stream router has had the route to the host withdrawn
[19-Jun-2007 11:14:58] <Aziraphale> for whatever reason
[19-Jun-2007 11:15:03] <creiht> yeah
[19-Jun-2007 11:15:11] <bzed> Aziraphale: if you get more than one of them per try to connect, then you have a bad network config
[19-Jun-2007 11:15:17] <bzed>
[19-Jun-2007 11:15:49] <bzed> creiht: the main problem here was that the snmpd was not listening on the right port, but the issue of not beeing able to parse the pckets still exists
[19-Jun-2007 11:16:23] <Aziraphale> bzed: it's usually one per packet. If more than that, something *is* wrong
[19-Jun-2007 11:16:24] <moredakka> hey, does anyone know why zenping logs show "2007-06-19 07:03:54 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet"?
[19-Jun-2007 11:16:51] <bzed> Aziraphale: join us here, you ahve that feature on wifi
[19-Jun-2007 11:17:34] <bzed> moredakka: that was jsut my question some minutes ago
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[19-Jun-2007 11:18:13] <moredakka> bzed: ah, didn't see that post, do you know if that will generate a zenping heartbeat failure?
[19-Jun-2007 11:18:14] <Aziraphale> bzed: try OSPF ECMP routing
you may get an UNREACH frm every router that thinks it should have a route [19-Jun-2007 11:19:01] <bzed> moredakka: no clue. creiht probably knows more about that
[19-Jun-2007 11:19:10] <creiht> moredakka: It probably will since it will generate errors in your zenping log
[19-Jun-2007 11:19:51] <moredakka> creiht: How will I be able to find out which device is generating that error? zenping logs don't give me an IP
[19-Jun-2007 11:20:11] <moredakka> also, is there a way to gic the "not in topology" errors in zenping?
[19-Jun-2007 11:20:23] <Aziraphale> moredakka: chances are it's the router before the monitored host
[19-Jun-2007 11:20:29] <moredakka> uhh....gic == fix (tired monday morning).
[19-Jun-2007 11:20:37] <Aziraphale> ping it from the CLI and see where it comes from
[19-Jun-2007 11:21:00] <zombor> bzed: i got it working, thanks for your help
[19-Jun-2007 11:21:21] <bzed> zombor: you're welcome. and make sure your apache is using www-data or any other user to serve the requests
[19-Jun-2007 11:21:55] <zombor> bzed: yea, it is, i was just being an idiot because i always start apache as root, not an unprivileged user
[19-Jun-2007 11:21:55] <Claros> good evening
[19-Jun-2007 11:22:32] <zombor> the config has user:group set to non-root
[19-Jun-2007 11:22:38] <bzed> zombor: sure, it drops its privileges
[19-Jun-2007 11:23:06] <bzed> zombor: zope doesn;t have this function
[19-Jun-2007 11:23:06] <Claros> does anybody knows hot to change correctly localhost (zenoss host) name with zenoos 2.0?
[19-Jun-2007 11:23:21] <zombor> bzed: it would be nice if it did =)
[19-Jun-2007 11:23:33] <bzed> use debian
[19-Jun-2007 11:23:48] <bzed> well
[19-Jun-2007 11:23:58] <bzed> you can't bind to lowports
[19-Jun-2007 11:24:08] <bzed> but you can start it as root
[19-Jun-2007 11:24:16] <bzed> and it'll use the right user to run under
[19-Jun-2007 11:24:55] <zombor> bzed: when i started zope as root, zenoss didnt work correctly
[19-Jun-2007 11:25:18] <zombor> it didnt grab the enviornment variables
[19-Jun-2007 11:27:07] <bzed> yeah
[19-Jun-2007 11:27:34] <bzed> again YOU DO NOT WANT TO RUN STUFF AS ROOT, except you have a service that really needs to run as root
[19-Jun-2007 11:27:35] <creiht> moredakka: I'm not sure sorry... I haven't actually had the problem with zenoss yet.
[19-Jun-2007 11:28:20] <zombor> well like i said, im used to *starting* things as root, apache, sshd, etc even if they dont end up running as root
[19-Jun-2007 11:28:56] <bzed> you can use debian soon, then you can do that
[19-Jun-2007 11:29:06] <zombor> i am using debian
[19-Jun-2007 11:29:24] <zombor> unfortunately
[19-Jun-2007 11:30:36] <creiht> moredakka: You could try the following in a shell: $ZENHOME/bin/zenping run -v10
[19-Jun-2007 11:31:02] <creiht> That will run through the ping process and do verbose logging
[19-Jun-2007 11:31:08] <creiht> so you should see where the error happens
[19-Jun-2007 11:34:22] <moredakka> ah yes, always seem to forget about verbose :-/
[19-Jun-2007 11:34:45] <moredakka> thanks, I'll give that a try.
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[19-Jun-2007 11:39:44] <moredakka> creiht: It's weird. doing the verbose logging I get "DEBUG:zen.Ping:unexpected pkt 10.0.0.32 <ICMP packet 0 0 15980 0>" but if I ping 10.0.0.32 I get "64 bytes from 69.11.121.107: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=101 ms" so I don't see where zenoss is getting this problem from.
[19-Jun-2007 11:40:07] <zombor> tthis is probably a dumb question, but how do i add a service to monitor?
[19-Jun-2007 11:40:23] <zombor> i go to services, and i dont see anything to add like in the docs
[19-Jun-2007 11:41:18] <creiht> moredakka: Yeah... unfortunately I'm not sure what to tell you, other than to double check the networking configs on that 10.0.0.32 box
[19-Jun-2007 11:41:22] <Aziraphale> moredakka: is 10.0.0.32 the host zenoss is pinging?
[19-Jun-2007 11:41:39] <Aziraphale> ot the one that returns the UNREACH?
[19-Jun-2007 11:42:40] <moredakka> Aziraphale: yes, that is the ip set for the device in zenoss.
[19-Jun-2007 11:43:32] <moredakka> sorry, didn't read the 2nd part of your question
[19-Jun-2007 11:43:51] <moredakka> I don't get an unreach error in zenoss or CLI.
[19-Jun-2007 11:44:44] <creiht> I bet it is the networking config
[19-Jun-2007 11:44:53] <Aziraphale> ah, I see. the problem is that the source address for the return packet is different
[19-Jun-2007 11:45:06] <Aziraphale> ~thing is doing nat or something
[19-Jun-2007 11:46:00] <moredakka> Unfortunately I don't have access to the network config on the 10.0.0.32 device, it isn't controlled by us just monitored.
[19-Jun-2007 11:46:17] <creiht> hrmm
[19-Jun-2007 11:46:31] <creiht> moredakka: What does a traceroute look like?
[19-Jun-2007 11:47:05] <creiht> that will sometimes reveal if it is a NAT issue
[19-Jun-2007 11:47:29] <moredakka> traceroute to 10.0.0.32 (10.0.0.32), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
[19-Jun-2007 11:47:30] <moredakka> 1 10.10.10.1 0.709 ms 0.702 ms 1.249 ms
[19-Jun-2007 11:47:30] <moredakka> 2 * * *
[19-Jun-2007 11:47:30] <moredakka> 3 10.0.1.128 (10.0.1.128) 48.181 ms 48.129 ms 45.115 ms
[19-Jun-2007 11:47:30] <moredakka> 4 * * *
[19-Jun-2007 11:47:30] <moredakka> 5 10.0.0.32 (10.0.0.32) 48.258 ms 44.648 ms 48.464 ms
[19-Jun-2007 11:48:00] <moredakka> This is going through a VPN on the monitor box to our customer's site and monitoring through that vpn connection.
[19-Jun-2007 11:48:32] <Aziraphale> ~ah
[19-Jun-2007 11:48:41] <Aziraphale> I've seen that happen with VPN connections
[19-Jun-2007 11:49:07] <Aziraphale> ping returns from the *outside* interface where you ping the *inside* one
[19-Jun-2007 11:56:08] <moredakka> is there a way around that error or do I have to live with it since it's through a vpn?
[19-Jun-2007 11:56:59] <Aziraphale> moredakka: only way i know of is to fix the vpn, I'm afraid
[19-Jun-2007 11:59:38] <moredakka> What will be wrong with the vpn to cause this issue?
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[19-Jun-2007 12:01:17] <Aziraphale> moredakka: don't remember, something to do with the return path, I think
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[19-Jun-2007 12:05:03] <moredakka> Alright, thanks for the info. However I just did another zenping verbose check and I get this: 2007-06-19 10:03:41 DEBUG zen.Ping: unexpected pkt 127.0.0.1 <ICMP packet 8 0 22487 1280> which of course isn't through the vpn...
[19-Jun-2007 12:09:10] <creiht> moredakka: That is very odd... Unfortunately at this point it is beyond my experience... sorry
[19-Jun-2007 12:09:28] <moredakka> Also, when you run "zenping run -v 10 --logpath=/home/zenoss/" should it be in an endless loop?
[19-Jun-2007 12:09:41] <Aziraphale> and what is it you're trying to ping in that case?
[19-Jun-2007 12:09:48] <moredakka> heh, thanks for the info anyways creiht ;-)
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[19-Jun-2007 12:10:03] <moredakka> in the 127.0.0.1 case? That is the zenoss box.
[19-Jun-2007 12:10:30] <creiht> moredakka: No it just runs it once
[19-Jun-2007 12:10:40] <creiht> If you use zenping start
[19-Jun-2007 12:10:46] <creiht> that would start it as the daemon
[19-Jun-2007 12:11:12] <Aziraphale> odd
[19-Jun-2007 12:11:25] <moredakka> so instead of "run" insert "start" and it shouldn't loop like it is now?
[19-Jun-2007 12:11:47] <creiht> moredakka: well you probably already have it running
[19-Jun-2007 12:11:50] <creiht> so you would want to do
[19-Jun-2007 12:11:56] <creiht> zenping stop
[19-Jun-2007 12:11:57] <creiht> and then
[19-Jun-2007 12:12:06] <creiht> zenping start -v10
[19-Jun-2007 12:12:23] <creiht> and that will start the daemon, with it logging verbose information
[19-Jun-2007 12:12:24] <creiht> I think
[19-Jun-2007 12:12:56] <giesen> Can anyone lend a hand with performance templates
[19-Jun-2007 12:13:21] <giesen> My cisco boxen are reporting what appears to be an arbitrary speed
[19-Jun-2007 12:13:30] <giesen> for Tunnel and Dialer interfaces
[19-Jun-2007 12:13:43] <giesen> and so Im getting 95% threshold warnings
[19-Jun-2007 12:13:45] <giesen> constantly
[19-Jun-2007 12:13:52] <giesen> which is effectively rendering my zenoss box useless
[19-Jun-2007 12:14:11] <giesen> I still want to graph traffic on the interfaces
[19-Jun-2007 12:14:13] <giesen> but without the alerts
[19-Jun-2007 12:15:38] <Aziraphale> giesen: that's a bit of a bug, unfortunately
[19-Jun-2007 12:16:32] <Aziraphale> haven't seen that for tunnel ifs though, just Nu0 and VL type ifs
[19-Jun-2007 12:16:47] <giesen> yeah I've to TuXXX interfaces
[19-Jun-2007 12:16:50] <giesen> doing it constantly
[19-Jun-2007 12:16:59] <giesen> which are reporting an ifspeed of 9000
[19-Jun-2007 12:17:06] <giesen> I dunno if cisco pulled that out of a hat
[19-Jun-2007 12:19:06] <Aziraphale> just actually seeing exactly that...
[19-Jun-2007 12:20:01] <Aziraphale> Aha!
[19-Jun-2007 12:20:21] <moredakka> Alright. Tried the zenping start -v10 and I never (in the logs) get "Finished pinging 83 jobs in 0.17 seconds"...
[19-Jun-2007 12:20:31] <Aziraphale> you can set the bandwitdh and that becomes the ifspeed
[19-Jun-2007 12:20:48] <Aziraphale> default ppears to be 9k
[19-Jun-2007 12:21:06] <Aziraphale> dunno if that'll break things though
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[19-Jun-2007 12:23:58] <moredakka> bah, this not in toplology warning is annoying
[19-Jun-2007 12:24:30] <Aziraphale> i think it's harmless though
[19-Jun-2007 12:25:10] <spike> I'm trying to find out what the enterprise version costs/has more than the core but I dont see a "comparison" page
[19-Jun-2007 12:25:15] <spike> can anbyody point me at one?
[19-Jun-2007 12:27:37] <giesen> spike: there is no enterprise version yet
[19-Jun-2007 12:27:45] <giesen> but supposedly it supports more than one dashboard
[19-Jun-2007 12:27:49] <giesen> and has more zenplugins
[19-Jun-2007 12:28:07] <spike> I think I've seen somewhere a "45" node management
[19-Jun-2007 12:28:14] <giesen> http://www.zenoss.com/support
[19-Jun-2007 12:28:14] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 12:28:36] <spike> yeah, I've seen that page, and "Maintain focus" isnt rated as "useful information" in my scale sorry
[19-Jun-2007 12:28:56] <giesen> spike: the product isnt launched yet
[19-Jun-2007 12:29:02] <giesen> give it some time
[19-Jun-2007 12:29:22] <spike> well, I need to make a choice, zenoss or hyperic
[19-Jun-2007 12:29:39] <spike> and cant really find info on zenoss
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:12] <giesen> http://www.zenoss.com/product/enterprise?c=enterprise
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:12] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:18] <giesen> that may help as well
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:18] <giesen> there's all kinds of information on zenoss core
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:31] <giesen> as well as a vmware appliance for evaluation
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:49] <giesen> http://www.zenoss.com/product/
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:49] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:50] <spike> uhm, yeah, 'spose I should skip the reading and just try it out
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:50] <giesen> that has a decent amount of product information
[19-Jun-2007 12:30:58] <spike> it'd been useful to put together some preliminary list of pro/cons
[19-Jun-2007 12:31:38] <spike> giesen: mind to enlighten me a bit about zenoss' graphing capabilities?
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[19-Jun-2007 12:34:03] <spike> from the sshots they look like nagios' graphs
[19-Jun-2007 12:34:19] <spike> bah, ignore me, I'll just install it
[19-Jun-2007 12:34:19] <spike> ta
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:07] <giesen> they are
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:12] <giesen> they're mrtg graphs
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:20] <giesen> and you can graph from just about any data source
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:21] <spike> and there's no added feature?
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:22] <giesen> it's quite cool
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:24] <spike> lemme rephrase that
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:36] <spike> I need aggregated logs, which I cant do with nagios
[19-Jun-2007 12:35:36] <giesen> well they have some cool scrolling, and they'll summarize all the graphs on one page
[19-Jun-2007 12:36:02] <spike> atm I'm using nagios+munin, but that's a waste, as both apps tend to monitor/graph the same data ending with lots of duplicated checks
[19-Jun-2007 12:36:26] <spike> but I cant really just use nagios, as I hve some really important graphs which are build as aggregation of others
[19-Jun-2007 12:36:42] <giesen> the graphing in zenoss is more of a trending/visualization tool
[19-Jun-2007 12:36:45] <spike> and failing to be able to build such summaries defeat most of the point of a graphing app
[19-Jun-2007 12:37:03] <giesen> there's not really any way to pull raw data out of it
[19-Jun-2007 12:37:08] <giesen> and it wont overlay a bunch of graphs
[19-Jun-2007 12:37:19] <rkagin> spike: out of curiosity, how many nodes are you monitoring? I have heard that Munin suffers scalability issues.
[19-Jun-2007 12:37:32] <giesen> but you can summarize all the graphs for a subset of devices on one page
[19-Jun-2007 12:37:43] <spike> giesen: how hard would it be to extend that?
[19-Jun-2007 12:37:54] <spike> or there's no support at all and it's not possible by design?
[19-Jun-2007 12:38:03] <giesen> dunno
[19-Jun-2007 12:38:04] <giesen> Im not a dev
[19-Jun-2007 12:38:07] <spike> 'cause to me that's a show stopper really
[19-Jun-2007 12:38:10] <spike> ok
[19-Jun-2007 12:38:12] <giesen> but I dont imagine it would be trivial
[19-Jun-2007 12:38:37] <spike> rkagin: ~150
[19-Jun-2007 12:39:21] <rkagin> spike: Thanks. Just was wondering if you were monitoring on the scale of 100s or 1000s.
[19-Jun-2007 12:39:54] <spike> rkagin: but I kinda concur with scalability issue, I have friends using it for 1k type scale networks
[19-Jun-2007 12:40:10] <spike> and you necessarily have to distribute the graphs
[19-Jun-2007 12:40:35] <spike> even with 150, lots of aggregations and ~20 graphs host it can choke a dual core with 2GB of ram
[19-Jun-2007 12:41:02] <rkagin> spike: I see. That somewhat dissuaded me from Munin because the size of our network is much larger than 150.
[19-Jun-2007 12:41:42] <rkagin> On a separate note, I think I understand that ZenPack stores all preferences (i.e. UI changes, custom alerts/thresholds/events/monitors) in a zip file (of xml files); does anyone know, however, how this is done?
[19-Jun-2007 12:42:58] <spike> rkagin: so what do you use? I'm nt sure I see too much space for iprovements aside from writing pure C rather than perl to speed up things
[19-Jun-2007 12:43:21] <spike> 1k scale is a large number of info to crunch, put into rrd, and generate pics
[19-Jun-2007 12:43:30] <spike> +from
[19-Jun-2007 12:43:49] <spike> plus pics must be updated in 4 flavor at least, daily weekly monthy yearly
[19-Jun-2007 12:43:56] <rkagin> spike: Scalability in terms of RRD handling I think is conquered by ZenOSS much better than Munin, and ZenOSS allows Nagios plugins (in addition to their own form of the same plugins).
[19-Jun-2007 12:45:25] <spike> rkagin: perf graphs arent really the same thing, but I cant comment as I dont yet know how ZenOSS tackled the issue
[19-Jun-2007 12:45:48] <giesen> rkagin: the nagios plugins are a *real* performance pig though
[19-Jun-2007 12:45:52] <giesen> if you use a lot of them
[19-Jun-2007 12:46:05] <giesen> although it definitely seems much better in 2.0
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[19-Jun-2007 12:46:57] <rkagin> giesen: True. Do you know about ZenPacks?
[19-Jun-2007 12:47:02] <spike> and btw, what is zenoss written in?
[19-Jun-2007 12:47:08] <giesen> python/zope
[19-Jun-2007 12:47:26] <spike> back in the good unix days the about page said that besides listing features...
[19-Jun-2007 12:47:30] <giesen> rkagin: yep, although I havent had any time to seriously investigate them
[19-Jun-2007 12:47:34] <spike> oh, right, I read that somewhere and then forgot :/
[19-Jun-2007 12:48:02] <spike> so I 'spose one could scale zenoss install with zom? the zope clustering thingie
[19-Jun-2007 12:48:37] <rkagin> giesen: ZenPacks essentially store all the configurable settings you've created in ZenOSS in a zip file, and then you can send it to someone else, they can unpack it, and it would be as if they did it themselves on their own computer, right?
[19-Jun-2007 12:48:59] <spike> anyway, bbl, thanks for the info
[19-Jun-2007 12:51:43] <giesen> spike: zenoss scales nicely with multiple monitors
[19-Jun-2007 12:51:47] <giesen> and you can break out components
[19-Jun-2007 12:51:53] <giesen> onto multiple boxes
[19-Jun-2007 12:51:58] <giesen> and centrally manage from one box
[19-Jun-2007 12:54:12] <Aziraphale> giesen: is there a doc on that?
[19-Jun-2007 12:55:19] <giesen> it's in the admin guide I think
[19-Jun-2007 12:55:23] <giesen> I havent personally done it
[19-Jun-2007 12:55:38] <giesen> although I'm getting close to the point where I may need multiple monitor boxes
[19-Jun-2007 12:55:46] <giesen> 2.0 bought me some time though
[19-Jun-2007 12:57:43] <moredakka> i'm sure everyone here is getting tired of me and my zenping issues but I'm not sure if it's a critical issue yet or not. Zenping seems to be monitoring but it never generates a success message in the logs
[19-Jun-2007 12:57:52] <rkagin> Aziraphale: Check out information on distributed ZenOSS. I found this that may be of some help.
[19-Jun-2007 12:58:12] <rkagin> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2007/003392.html
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[19-Jun-2007 12:58:23] <Dislo> morning all
[19-Jun-2007 12:58:33] <moredakka> it pings until it gets to the unexpected pkt error then stops. Then it seems to start pinging about 45 seconds after the last unexpected packet.
[19-Jun-2007 12:59:16] <Aziraphale> rkagin: thanks for that. the CNAME thing is a bit hackish though
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[19-Jun-2007 13:00:08] <Dislo> hey guys i am having a small problem sending emails from zenoss
[19-Jun-2007 13:03:15] <rkagin> Aziraphale: That's true, but it's the best I could find. I do agree that I feel like I saw something in the Admin Guide, but am not sure.
[19-Jun-2007 13:03:49] <Dislo> i keep on getting this error Test failed: socket.gaierror - (-2, 'Name or service not known') 2007/06/19 09:55:57 when i am at the /zenusers/foobar and i click on test
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[19-Jun-2007 13:10:17] <rkagin> Does anyone know about ZenPacks?
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[19-Jun-2007 13:11:57] <jshadow> could someone tell me if there is a way to change the mysql password used on an existing install?
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[19-Jun-2007 13:16:56] <rkagin> jshadow: Google revealed this link (see if it helps you): http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/install-guides/installing-zenoss-on-ubuntu
[19-Jun-2007 13:16:56] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 13:16:57] <rkagin> Check point 15.
[19-Jun-2007 13:17:42] <jeisenberg> has anyone had issues with zeoctl and zopectl not installing when doing a fresh install of 2.0?
[19-Jun-2007 13:17:57] <jshadow> will take a look thanks, I was digging through the forums and didn't see anything
[19-Jun-2007 13:18:36] <jshadow> I did, I had to manually run mkzopeinstance.py and mkzeoinstance.py
[19-Jun-2007 13:18:47] <jeisenberg> that resolved it?
[19-Jun-2007 13:19:00] <jshadow> yep, worked for me anyhow
[19-Jun-2007 13:19:17] <jshadow> use /opt/zenoss or wherever your install is as the argument
[19-Jun-2007 13:20:15] <jeisenberg> i am trying that now
[19-Jun-2007 13:20:38] <jeisenberg> woot
[19-Jun-2007 13:20:47] <jeisenberg> well...
[19-Jun-2007 13:20:55] <jeisenberg> not really woot on that yet
[19-Jun-2007 13:23:00] <jeisenberg> when you ran mkz* you ran them as root and used /opt/zenoss as home
[19-Jun-2007 13:23:04] <jeisenberg> correct?
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[19-Jun-2007 13:24:42] <rkagin> jeisenberg: You should use whatever $ZENHOME is; if that's your home, then yes.
[19-Jun-2007 13:26:53] <jeisenberg> thanks
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[19-Jun-2007 13:32:47] <jeisenberg> i am unable to connect to the website at 8080.
[19-Jun-2007 13:33:06] <jeisenberg> is this controlled in the zope.conf file?
[19-Jun-2007 13:33:41] <Dislo> hey guys what kind of growth is there on this program
[19-Jun-2007 13:37:08] <Dislo> i am wondering if i can expect steady growth because of storing more data for uptimes or if there is going to be a pretty set ammount of memory usage and what is the log growth like
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[19-Jun-2007 13:49:27] <jeisenberg> i am still having a couple of issues. i cannot connect to the server over http on the port of 8080 after running mkzeoinstance and mkzeninstance. Anyone have any ideas?
[19-Jun-2007 13:50:05] <jeisenberg> zopectl is not running when I do a service zenoss status.
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[19-Jun-2007 14:03:09] <giesen> what actually defines how a template is applied to a particular interface?
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[19-Jun-2007 14:18:01] <zombor> is it possible to have a graph of ping times for my devices?
[19-Jun-2007 14:20:22] <giesen> it is, but you have to use a nagios plugin
[19-Jun-2007 14:20:55] <zombor> =(
[19-Jun-2007 14:21:23] <zombor> also, im following the user guide on adding a service, and I dont see any "Add" button on the main services page
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[19-Jun-2007 14:32:54] <Alan-D> Hi People!
[19-Jun-2007 14:34:19] <Alan-D> I tryout version 2.0 through the vmware image, but can't get it to add a device under windows 2003. Any ideas?
[19-Jun-2007 14:34:44] <Alan-D> I can get to see and add servers with windows 2000.
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[19-Jun-2007 14:53:01] <zombor> oh, theres a dropdown to add...when i click that i get the loading screen and it just sits there "Loading"
[19-Jun-2007 15:08:18] <giesen> zombor: using IE or Firefox?
[19-Jun-2007 15:08:27] <zombor> giesen: firefox
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[19-Jun-2007 15:34:15] <moredakka> Anyone here know a good mailing list or forum for updates on microsoft patches?
[19-Jun-2007 15:37:00] <rkagin> Anyone know about ZenPacks? I'm interested primarily in the technical features of it.
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[19-Jun-2007 15:43:50] <andrew_p> how to configure zenoss in such way that the event will be matched not against defaultmapping, but a custom one? using regexps only or also rules?
[19-Jun-2007 15:44:58] <rkagin> andrew_p: Do you mean creating a custom event that triggers based on a custom threshold? If so, that should all be in the Admin Guide.
[19-Jun-2007 15:59:33] <andrew_p> ok, more specifically: how is an event matched to Event Class Key?
[19-Jun-2007 16:00:52] <Dislo> hey guys i now have a slightly new error
[19-Jun-2007 16:01:09] <Dislo> whenever i test the email i get this Test failed: smtplib.SMTPAuthenticationError - (501, '5.7.0 Authentication failed')
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[19-Jun-2007 16:12:16] <shakeSpear> how do I compile zenoss 2.0 on debian sarge? I get following error: wmi/pywmi_wrap.c:2318: error: `__ERROR__XX__NEVER_USE_STRCPY___' undeclared (first use in this function)
[19-Jun-2007 16:16:33] <_zack> where does zenoss store the data for connecting to mysql? and is there a way from the web interface to change that?
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[19-Jun-2007 16:17:29] <Aziraphale> Settings
[19-Jun-2007 16:18:00] <Aziraphale> EventManager, soory
[19-Jun-2007 16:18:14] <Aziraphale> sorry, even
[19-Jun-2007 16:18:16] <_zack> ah,ok
[19-Jun-2007 16:18:28] <_zack> tnx
[19-Jun-2007 16:18:42] <Dislo> Aziraphale, do you know how the email portion works and how to set it up because i am getting some odd errors
[19-Jun-2007 16:19:45] <Aziraphale> never looked at that yet
[19-Jun-2007 16:20:22] <Dislo> do you have it working for you
[19-Jun-2007 16:20:30] <jp10558> IS there a MYSQL Client Standard 5.0.22+ for EL4? I can only find 4.xxx
[19-Jun-2007 16:21:35] <shakeSpear> jpl0558: take the zendeps from the zenoss webpage there is the right mysql included?!
[19-Jun-2007 16:26:43] <bzed> _zack: it's added by the zenbuild stuff, seee the postinst file
[19-Jun-2007 16:27:01] <jp10558> ahh
[19-Jun-2007 16:29:32] <_zack> bzed: ack
[19-Jun-2007 16:40:19] <shakeSpear> zenoss 2.0 on debian sarge anyone
[19-Jun-2007 16:41:29] <zombor> shakeSpear: i installed it on
[19-Jun-2007 16:41:34] <zombor> etch
[19-Jun-2007 16:43:59] <shakeSpear> zombor : hmm ok - no probs with "error: wmi/pywmi_wrap.c:2318: error: `__ERROR__XX__NEVER_USE_STRCPY___' undeclared (first use in this function)" ?
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[19-Jun-2007 16:57:39] <zombor> shakeSpear: nope
[19-Jun-2007 16:57:49] <zombor> just a whole bunch of dependancy issues
[19-Jun-2007 16:58:44] <shakeSpear> dependancy issues? is there a .deb package?
[19-Jun-2007 16:59:40] <zombor> not yet
[19-Jun-2007 16:59:45] <creiht> shakeSpear: There will be official debian packages soon
[19-Jun-2007 16:59:47] <zombor> i had to install a bunch of stuff
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:04] <zombor> mysql-dev, python dev, etc
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:28] <shakeSpear> creiht: but not for debian sarge I presume?
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:29] <bzed> zombor: there's a nice tuttorial.. or you ahve to wait
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:36] <bzed> shakeSpear: we'll make backports for etch
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:42] <bzed> sarge makes no sense to backport
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:44] <zombor> bzed: well, i have it installed
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:47] <bzed> way too much work
[19-Jun-2007 17:00:58] <zombor> bzed: the tutorial wasnt very helpful
[19-Jun-2007 17:01:38] <shakeSpear> Hmm - looks like thats the final reason to migrate to etch ...;)
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[19-Jun-2007 17:04:03] <bzed> zombor: i mean this one: http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1551&highlight=
[19-Jun-2007 17:04:03] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Installing on Debian etch using mostly native packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 17:04:37] <zombor> yea, that doesnt include the mysql development package
[19-Jun-2007 17:05:06] <zombor> it would be very nice if the zenoss installer check for dependancies before running
[19-Jun-2007 17:05:22] <zombor> i think i entered the beginning info of the installer 10 times yesterday
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[19-Jun-2007 17:31:30] <rkagin> Anyone here particularly knowledgeable on the code of ZenPacks? The ZenPackBase class has six different loaders in it (objects, reports, daemons, skins, data sources, and libraries). Does anyone know if you can load anything else besides these? Although I'm not sure what else is even customizable that someone would want to load.
[19-Jun-2007 17:32:58] <creiht> rkagin: Most of are in a similar boat to you... There isn't a lot of documentation yet
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[19-Jun-2007 17:33:42] <creiht> But according to one of the devs earlier, they stated that if they wanted to, they could pretty much build all future functionality off of zenpacks
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[19-Jun-2007 17:33:59] <creiht> So theorerically you should be able to do just about anything you want
[19-Jun-2007 17:34:30] <rkagin> Right, but say you made a new functionality in ZenOSS - how would it be loaded?
[19-Jun-2007 17:34:39] <creiht> oh
[19-Jun-2007 17:34:49] <creiht> There is actually documentation on that somewhere
[19-Jun-2007 17:35:25] <rkagin> The best I found was the loaders variable in /ZenModel/ZenPack.py
[19-Jun-2007 17:36:08] <creiht> rkagin: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/what-is-a-zenpack/
[19-Jun-2007 17:36:08] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 17:36:08] <creiht> does that answer your question?
[19-Jun-2007 17:36:18] <creiht> There is also a very basic example of a zenpack in the code
[19-Jun-2007 17:36:41] <rkagin> creiht: I understand the command line arguments, but within the code, it doesn't support importing anything other than those six types that I mentioned earlier.
[19-Jun-2007 17:36:56] <creiht> ahh
[19-Jun-2007 17:37:07] <creiht> That I do not know
[19-Jun-2007 17:37:08] <rkagin> creiht: I've seen the HelloWorldZenPack, and it also doesn't implement anything new. Monitors and events are fine, but new functionality - how is that done?
[19-Jun-2007 17:37:14] <creiht> I haven't been able to play with it yet
[19-Jun-2007 17:37:34] <creiht> rkagin: That is the golden question that many of us are wating for
[19-Jun-2007 17:37:38] <rkagin> creiht: I understand - I just am trying to figure things out as to why a dev would say you could import new functionality.
[19-Jun-2007 17:37:58] <rkagin> I totally believe them - it's just a matter of how it's done that I would like to know, from a programming standpoint.
[19-Jun-2007 17:38:09] <creiht> hehe
[19-Jun-2007 17:38:16] <creiht> I know... I have similar questions
[19-Jun-2007 17:38:33] <rkagin> And so we wait until one of the devs comes back.
[19-Jun-2007 17:38:38] <creiht> hehe
[19-Jun-2007 17:38:50] <creiht> Well... mostly we wait until we get good docs for zenpack
[19-Jun-2007 17:38:57] <creiht> or you could post the the mailing list
[19-Jun-2007 17:40:04] <rkagin> Well, since I've never done that, could you point me to where the form is I need to fill out for posting in the mailing list?
[19-Jun-2007 17:40:19] <creiht> oh sure
[19-Jun-2007 17:40:33] <creiht> there is actually a forum that mirros the list that is probably easier
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:06] <creiht> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: Index (at community.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:12] <rkagin> Oh, duh.
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:26] <rkagin> creiht: zenoss-dev, no?
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:28] <creiht> Or if you would like to sign up for the lists
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:35] <creiht> http://www.zenoss.com/community/discuss/lists
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:35] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 17:41:43] <creiht> probably
[19-Jun-2007 17:49:17] <rkagin> creiht: Looks like someone posted something similar to my question, but was unanswered:
[19-Jun-2007 17:49:31] <rkagin> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1764
[19-Jun-2007 17:49:31] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Root Cause ZenPack (at community.zenoss.com)
[19-Jun-2007 17:49:58] <creiht>
[19-Jun-2007 17:50:19] <creiht> Perhaps if more people ask, they will have more reason to answer?
[19-Jun-2007 17:50:20] <creiht>
[19-Jun-2007 17:52:57] <rkagin> Yeah, I'll spend a while trying to draft up something succinct but cover a breadth of question material.
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[19-Jun-2007 18:02:44] <zombor> iis it possible to graph bandwidth usage like in cacti?
[19-Jun-2007 18:06:49] <rkagin> zombor: Check this and the next post: http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2007/004559.html
[19-Jun-2007 18:07:12] <zombor> =(
[19-Jun-2007 18:07:24] <creiht> zombor: define "like cacti"
[19-Jun-2007 18:07:41] <zombor> cacti lets me graph bits per second over my interfaces
[19-Jun-2007 18:07:58] <zombor> using snmp i think
[19-Jun-2007 18:08:00] <creiht> It does that by default
[19-Jun-2007 18:08:16] <creiht> Bits/sec, Pkts/sec, and Errors/sec
[19-Jun-2007 18:08:36] <zombor> in my zenoss i see load avg, cpu %, memory
[19-Jun-2007 18:08:45] <creiht> click on the OS tab
[19-Jun-2007 18:08:45] <zombor> no network interface stats
[19-Jun-2007 18:09:00] <creiht> and then click on one of the interfaces
[19-Jun-2007 18:09:03] <creiht> ie eth0
[19-Jun-2007 18:09:28] <zombor> oh, there it is
[19-Jun-2007 18:09:40] <creiht>
[19-Jun-2007 18:09:55] <zombor> im still getting used to the interface, its is very....in depth
[19-Jun-2007 18:10:05] <creiht> hehe
[19-Jun-2007 18:10:19] <creiht> From the OS
[19-Jun-2007 18:10:20] <creiht> tab
[19-Jun-2007 18:10:28] <creiht> you can also click on filesystem mounts
[19-Jun-2007 18:10:37] <creiht> To see disk usage over time
[19-Jun-2007 18:11:31] <rkagin> creiht: Do you mind me sending you my draft post?
[19-Jun-2007 18:11:45] <rkagin> See if it covers your questions as well?
[19-Jun-2007 18:11:55] <creiht> hehe
[19-Jun-2007 18:12:00] <creiht> don't worry about my questions
[19-Jun-2007 18:12:03] <zombor> btw, under the OS tabs, and others
[19-Jun-2007 18:12:11] <zombor> what are the checkboxes for?
[19-Jun-2007 18:12:12] <creiht> I've already poked the devs enough
[19-Jun-2007 18:12:31] <creiht> at this point I am just waiting for docs
[19-Jun-2007 18:12:58] <creiht> zombor: hmm I don't see any check boxes under the OS tab
[19-Jun-2007 18:13:15] <creiht> Though it may have changed in 2.0, and I haven't tried it yet
[19-Jun-2007 18:13:21] <zombor> yeaim using 2.0
[19-Jun-2007 18:13:36] <zombor> theres checkboxes everywhere, but nothing to do?
[19-Jun-2007 18:13:37] <creiht> usually if there are check boxes
[19-Jun-2007 18:13:48] <creiht> theyn there is a toolbar below with operations that you can perform
[19-Jun-2007 18:13:55] <creiht> but that was the old system
[19-Jun-2007 18:13:59] <creiht> not sure about in 2.0
[19-Jun-2007 18:14:00] <zombor> yes, thats what i was expecting =/
[19-Jun-2007 18:14:00] <creiht> yet
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[19-Jun-2007 18:22:24] <moredakka> Quick question. Does anyone know why it would take zenoss 5 hours to report on a device?
[19-Jun-2007 18:22:44] <moredakka> firstTime 2007/06/19 10:07:17.440
[19-Jun-2007 18:23:03] <moredakka> lastTime 2007/06/19 16:15:34.145
[19-Jun-2007 18:23:09] <moredakka> Count of 6
[19-Jun-2007 18:23:24] <moredakka> it's like it's only pinging every hour.
[19-Jun-2007 18:24:03] <rkagin> moredakka: You can check the logs to see if it's failing the other times.
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[19-Jun-2007 18:35:20] <creiht> moredakka: It might be intermediately failing
[19-Jun-2007 18:35:31] <creiht> The event may still be in zenoss
[19-Jun-2007 18:35:37] <creiht> and so it just adds to the count
[19-Jun-2007 18:36:01] <creiht> sometimes the events don't clear themselves after they have come back up
[19-Jun-2007 18:37:16] <rkagin> creiht: How does one find the ping count? I can see firstTime and lastTime, but nothing about count.
[19-Jun-2007 18:38:50] <creiht> rkagin: Well it might have changed in 2.0 but in the events tab there is a count column right after lastTime
[19-Jun-2007 18:39:55] <rkagin> creiht: Oh, I thought he was talking about from the status tab of an individual device.
[19-Jun-2007 18:40:20] <creiht> oh yeah.. that might be a possibilty
[19-Jun-2007 18:42:05] <rkagin> creiht: Because in my events console, I don't necessarily see anything related to successful pings, whereas I figured that would be in the device's status tab (although I don't see it there either).
[19-Jun-2007 18:42:19] <rkagin> creiht: My post addresses your concerns enough?
[19-Jun-2007 18:42:27] <creiht> looking...
[19-Jun-2007 18:43:41] <creiht> rkagin: Which list did you post to?
[19-Jun-2007 18:45:27] <rkagin> creiht: Your email.
[19-Jun-2007 18:45:30] <creiht> oh
[19-Jun-2007 18:45:31] <creiht> hehe
[19-Jun-2007 18:45:59] <creiht> heh
[19-Jun-2007 18:46:04] <rkagin> Thought I'd get a look-over before I put it out there.
[19-Jun-2007 18:46:12] <creiht> for some reason google taged it as spam
[19-Jun-2007 18:46:14] <creiht> sorry
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[19-Jun-2007 18:47:06] <creiht> rkagin: Looks good
[19-Jun-2007 18:47:22] <creiht> Answering even small pieces of that will be very helpful
[19-Jun-2007 18:47:40] <rkagin> creiht: Gives options all around for devs/users alike.
[19-Jun-2007 18:47:46] <creiht> yeah
[19-Jun-2007 18:48:07] <creiht> If I ever get some time, I hope to poke at it soon
[19-Jun-2007 18:48:22] <creiht> It's that darn time thing that keeps getting in the way
[19-Jun-2007 18:49:11] <creiht> Well I'm out... everyone have a great evening... or morning... whichever comes first
[19-Jun-2007 18:49:36] <rkagin> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=7212
[19-Jun-2007 18:49:36] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - ZenPack Questions (at community.zenoss.com)
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[19-Jun-2007 19:09:20] <KeithBilly> i'm trying to upgrade to 2, i'm using a remote mysql server, it runs through fine utnil it tries to access the database, it doesn't seems to use the conf information from the previous install. A forum post claims that install.sh should be asking for this information but mine does not. where can i hardcode this?
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[19-Jun-2007 22:53:45] <cbleach> is anyone using the new http_check zenpack?
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[20-Jun-2007 00:17:11] <moredakka> anyone here?
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:38] <moredakka> Well if someone comes in I'm getting this error with zenping:
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:40] <moredakka> 2007-06-19 22:03:55 ERROR zen.Ping: receiving packet error: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:40] <moredakka> Traceback (most recent call last):
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:40] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 152, in recvPackets
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:40] <moredakka> self.pingJobSucceed(self.jobqueue[sip])
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:40] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 184, in pingJobSucceed
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:40] <moredakka> self.reportPingJob(pj)
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:42] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 205, in reportPingJob
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:44] <moredakka> pj.deferred.callback(pj)
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:46] <moredakka> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:51] <moredakka> .
[20-Jun-2007 00:17:59] <moredakka> I'm hoping someone can help me out.
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[20-Jun-2007 00:20:30] <moredakka> When I try to ping a device that is noted as down from the manage interface I get "Time to live exceeded" but if I ping it from the CLI it responds noo problem.
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[20-Jun-2007 00:36:12] <moredakka> So no one is here right now?
[20-Jun-2007 00:51:21] <moredakka> Hmmm
[20-Jun-2007 01:10:40] <moredakka> So it seems that Zenoss 1.1.1 cannot handle "Time to live exceeded" error on an ICMP packet. Throws zenping into chaos. I lied on my earlier comment about it responding no problem, CLI gives TTL error as well.
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[20-Jun-2007 02:43:47] <freakynl> hey there, is zenoss based on nagios?
[20-Jun-2007 02:44:36] <kompressor> zenoss has nagios plugins rather..:-)
[20-Jun-2007 02:45:22] <freakynl> but it isn't based on nagios code thus? Just has a compatible api/data exchange?
[20-Jun-2007 02:47:22] <freakynl> we already looked at nagios 3 years ago and i'm kind of sorry to see not much has changed on the exterior. Our main issues are it's hard to configure for non-linux admins and it can't be done through the webinterface, it looks ugly (yes, it's functional, but ppl like our managers will actually look away because of this), and it lacks 'real' support for snmp traps and graphing images for bandwidth and such (yes this can be done with other too
[20-Jun-2007 02:54:06] <kompressor> freakynl, i've used nagios for the past year and currently evaluating zenoss...yes nagios works though
[20-Jun-2007 02:55:19] <kompressor> freakynl, zenoss is not based on nagios, but for some of the functionality in nagios, you would install nagios plugins if you like in version 1.1.2 ...im not sure with this new version 2 out...
[20-Jun-2007 02:55:54] <kompressor> you should try it...with the virtual appliance for vmware..ive had zero configuration to do so far.:-)
[20-Jun-2007 02:55:59] <freakynl> kompressor: yea it works, but I think it's a very bad decission not to make the gui more functional and more beautiful. i think it would have drawn much more public to nagios
[20-Jun-2007 02:56:11] <freakynl> kompressor: yea it's running, going to import some mib's now.
[20-Jun-2007 02:56:26] <freakynl> atleast this has native snmp traps support
and appearantly a very cool ajax gui[20-Jun-2007 02:56:50] *** FuL|OUT has quit IRC
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[20-Jun-2007 03:02:48] <shakeSpear> the last 10 years we were migrating through mrtg, bigbrother, cacti, nagios => and finaly zenoss. To me Zenoss seems currently perfect in terms of manageability (gui/web), functionality (snmp, snmptraps, syslog, rest+xmlrpc)
[20-Jun-2007 03:03:28] <shakeSpear> bigbrother => strange architecture painfull configuration
[20-Jun-2007 03:03:41] <freakynl> shakeSpear: nice, yea bigbrother didn't really look usable to me
[20-Jun-2007 03:03:52] <freakynl> i don't think it's actively developped either
[20-Jun-2007 03:04:09] <shakeSpear> nagios => everything there - in some way - but painfull way
[20-Jun-2007 03:04:39] <shakeSpear> yeah - we dropped bigbrother 4 years ago - i think - is more than 3 weeks - can't remember anymore
[20-Jun-2007 03:05:27] <shakeSpear> cacti => nice rrd stuff for timerseries => but lack of availability monitoring
[20-Jun-2007 03:06:15] <shakeSpear> bigbrother has been bought by quest? => and they sell foglight
[20-Jun-2007 03:11:46] <freakynl> there was something called bigsister too, not sure if it's the precessor or successor tho'
[20-Jun-2007 03:14:52] <kompressor>
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[20-Jun-2007 03:59:44] <spike> giesen: I've actually found: "Aggregate Reports Ã�¢Ã�¤Ã�“ The Aggregate reports is a combination of all the performance graphs for all of the devices in the system."
[20-Jun-2007 04:00:12] <spike> giesen: that doesnt allow you tyo define aggregate reports but it suggests that there's already some code there to support such functionality
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[20-Jun-2007 04:31:08] <spike> hi, how does it work with zenoss and debian pkgs? according to this http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/being_packaged pkg is still in preparation, licence issues apparently
[20-Jun-2007 04:31:08] <adytum-bot> Title: Debian -- Packages being worked on (at www.debian.org)
[20-Jun-2007 04:31:22] <spike> but http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/1185 looks like it's all fixed
[20-Jun-2007 04:31:22] <adytum-bot> Title: #1185 (Copyright/Licensing issues) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[20-Jun-2007 04:31:53] * spike shrugs
[20-Jun-2007 04:32:00] <shakeSpear> Why licensing? Isn't it Open Source?
[20-Jun-2007 04:32:35] <spike> heresy!
[20-Jun-2007 04:32:37] * spike giggles
[20-Jun-2007 04:33:40] <spike> shakeSpear: if I were you I'd be careful now, RMS's ninjas will probably come and try to kill you
[20-Jun-2007 04:34:03] <shakeSpear> ??
[20-Jun-2007 04:34:11] <spike> shakeSpear: read the ticket, there were problems with some components released under ZPL
[20-Jun-2007 04:38:20] <shakeSpear> aha - read it - but as you mentioned seems fixed already
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[20-Jun-2007 04:49:41] <freakynl> opensource isn't necessarily license compatible with other opensource...
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[20-Jun-2007 05:11:20] <kompressor> so there is no real place to find debian pkgs at the moment? mmm
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[20-Jun-2007 05:21:19] <spike> can zenoss map boxes to switch ports?
[20-Jun-2007 05:21:32] <spike> I dont even ask for a map of the network, just what's plugged into a switch
[20-Jun-2007 05:21:47] <spike> switch is managed and can be queried via snmp
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[20-Jun-2007 06:01:58] <freakynl> kompressor: dunno debian has a lot of unofficial depositories, whether you want to use them is another q
[20-Jun-2007 06:02:41] <kompressor> freakynl, yes id like to try those unofficial depositories...know some?
[20-Jun-2007 06:03:00] <freakynl> kompressor: nope i use gentoo
[20-Jun-2007 06:03:34] <kompressor> hmmm, ubuntu has to make a plan then i guess
[20-Jun-2007 06:06:02] <spike> afaik there's nothing, neither official nor unofficial
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[20-Jun-2007 06:22:49] <claros> ciao bandini
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[20-Jun-2007 06:23:04] <bandini> heya claros
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[20-Jun-2007 06:23:35] <claros> uno dei pochi italiani che usa zenoss, come ti trovi?
[20-Jun-2007 06:56:51] <bandini> claros, non l'ho ancora in produzione lo sto testando. piace il fatto che sia in python naturalmente
[20-Jun-2007 06:58:47] <claros> qui (universitÃ� dell'aquila) Ã�¨ in produziona ma ho qualche problema con l'aggiornamento che abbiamo fatto alla 2.0
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[20-Jun-2007 08:44:38] <iuso> hi, something has happened with zenoss' monitoring of one device. i'm using the latest from the version 1 branch. zenperfsnmp doesn't react to invalid return values reported by snmp
[20-Jun-2007 08:45:17] <iuso> snmpwalk works, and moreover the graphs in perf are getting drawn, but the scripts that snmpd runs at the device's end which return non-0 don't cause any events
[20-Jun-2007 08:45:35] <iuso> here's the paste from running zenperfsnmp -v 10 for the device:
[20-Jun-2007 08:45:54] <iuso> http://pastebin.ca/578880
[20-Jun-2007 08:45:54] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - zenperfsnmp - post number 578880 (at pastebin.ca)
[20-Jun-2007 08:46:15] <iuso> what caught my eye is "exceptions.TypeError: float argument required
[20-Jun-2007 08:46:55] <iuso> that didn't happen before, at least i wouldn't think so because everything worked until yesterday midday
[20-Jun-2007 08:47:07] <moredakka> If anyone is around, I might have a problem with my zenping (still) on v1.1.1 "2007-06-20 06:11:58 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 84 jobs in 49.95 seconds" that seems a little long to me.
[20-Jun-2007 08:47:16] <iuso> which is when i enabled a maintenance break for this device (spanning 23:55 to 00:15)
[20-Jun-2007 08:47:40] <iuso> since then i've disabled and deleted the maintenance window, and even restarted zenoss, but to no avail. i get no events from the device
[20-Jun-2007 08:48:25] <iuso> (oh, and by "latest from the version 1 branch) i don't mean CVS or anything like that, just v1.1.2)
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[20-Jun-2007 09:00:54] <claros> iuso, try to have a look to your mysql database, events/status to see if an uncler event about that device is still present
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[20-Jun-2007 09:02:56] <claros> even if it is not so "polite", you can manually delete an event that for some reasons you cant modify from zenoss dashboard...
[20-Jun-2007 09:03:41] <claros> may be you maintenance event is still present...
[20-Jun-2007 09:11:45] <iuso> claros: thanks, that might help. can you tell me how i can dig the database for the event?
[20-Jun-2007 09:14:09] <iuso> claros: nevermind, my colleague knows mysql, i'll ask him
[20-Jun-2007 09:14:17] <claros> I feel confortable with mysql front, but you can use what you want...
[20-Jun-2007 09:15:09] <claros> .... mysql cmd line, php mysqladmin .... i'm at phone now....
[20-Jun-2007 09:16:16] <iuso> k
[20-Jun-2007 09:16:34] <iuso> there were no events for that device in the status table
[20-Jun-2007 09:20:26] <claros> sorry, I have no other advice... except deleting and adding again the device but it is a very extreme solution.. try to ask somebody else before
[20-Jun-2007 09:26:55] <iuso> yeah i'll try, thanks
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[20-Jun-2007 10:08:07] <moredakka> is there anyone here this morning.
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:09] <moredakka> ?
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:18] <moredakka> zenping is causing me greif
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:22] <moredakka> uhh
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:25] <moredakka> grief
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:37] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 06:54:33 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:37] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 06:59:33 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:37] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 07:04:33 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:37] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 07:09:32 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:37] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 07:11:58 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 84 jobs in 49.93 seconds
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:38] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 07:14:32 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:40] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 07:19:32 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:42] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 07:24:32 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:44] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 07:29:32 WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet
[20-Jun-2007 10:08:46] <moredakka> .
[20-Jun-2007 10:10:07] <moredakka> It seems to only be checking every 5 minutes or so plus with 84 jobs in 50 sec seems to be quite long (used to be 0.17 sec) and I don't know what's changed.
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[20-Jun-2007 10:29:28] <claros> 2007-06-20 16:26:28 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 71 jobs in 0.41 seconds
[20-Jun-2007 10:30:12] <claros> seem like you have a bad ip address in a device and zenping fails...
[20-Jun-2007 10:31:53] <claros> zenping here works every minute + the time needed to complete pings, usually 1 second or two...
[20-Jun-2007 10:32:21] <moredakka> that's the way it used to work.
[20-Jun-2007 10:33:05] <moredakka> I don't know when it started doing this and there is one set of systems that it seems to only check evey hour which is extra annoying.
[20-Jun-2007 10:33:25] <claros> check ip addresses and use reset ip to correct the one wrong
[20-Jun-2007 10:33:46] <creiht> moredakka: My gut wants to say that it is some type of network configuration problem
[20-Jun-2007 10:36:07] <claros> I think it is problem related to the list of ip address... try to execute zenping -test and che the ip list
[20-Jun-2007 10:36:28] <claros> sorry ..check the list...
[20-Jun-2007 10:38:31] <claros> have to leave, bye
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[20-Jun-2007 10:39:22] <moredakka> -test?
[20-Jun-2007 10:39:26] <moredakka> that doesn't seem to work
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[20-Jun-2007 10:40:44] <moredakka> creiht: the weird part is I haven't made any network configuration changes before this problem started happening.
[20-Jun-2007 10:41:04] <creiht> moredakka: try --test
[20-Jun-2007 10:41:10] <creiht> hmm
[20-Jun-2007 10:41:12] <creiht> that is odd
[20-Jun-2007 10:41:26] <moredakka> you're tellin' me.
[20-Jun-2007 10:42:46] <moredakka> check this out::
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[20-Jun-2007 10:43:18] <moredakka> wow, didn't like that
[20-Jun-2007 10:43:23] <creiht> hehe
[20-Jun-2007 10:43:30] <creiht> put it in a paste server
[20-Jun-2007 10:43:32] <creiht> like
[20-Jun-2007 10:43:35] <creiht> paste.lisp.org
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[20-Jun-2007 10:47:21] <moredakka> Well this is interesting. I ran "zenping run --test" and zenoss reported that everything was down (even though nothing was down).
[20-Jun-2007 10:53:36] <creiht> hehe... Yeah... I did that and it caused some weird problems
[20-Jun-2007 10:53:50] <creiht> All of a sudden everything was reporting down in Zenoss
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:09] <creiht> I had to stop zenping and start it again
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:12] <creiht> and it cleared it up
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:32] <creiht> It was funny to see some of my cowerkers faces though
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:41] <creiht> I think they thought the world was coming to an end
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:43] <moredakka> Yeah, yeesh....if I knew that was going to happen I would have turned off all the alerting.
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:45] <moredakka> haha
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:50] <creiht> hehe
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:52] <creiht> sorry
[20-Jun-2007 10:54:58] <creiht> I didn't know it was going to happen either
[20-Jun-2007 10:56:21] <moredakka> my boss is getting a million txt messages on his cell...he isn't too pleased with that :-/ Oh well, learning here.
[20-Jun-2007 10:56:48] <moredakka> So the first time I ran "zenping run --test" I got a wack of these http://paste.lisp.org/display/43100
[20-Jun-2007 10:57:05] <moredakka> it said it INFO:zen.ZenPing:Finished pinging 173 jobs in 1.21 seconds
[20-Jun-2007 10:57:17] <moredakka> I only have about 87 devices being monitored.
[20-Jun-2007 10:57:21] <creiht> luckily we have a 5 minute delay before we get paged
[20-Jun-2007 10:57:35] <creiht> otherwise I would be in the same boat
[20-Jun-2007 10:57:40] <moredakka> then I ran it again and got INFO:zen.ZenPing:Finished pinging 1 jobs in 0.05 seconds
[20-Jun-2007 10:57:49] <moredakka> but none of those errors.
[20-Jun-2007 10:58:03] <moredakka> Heh, I've fixed that so there is a 3 minute delay on that now.
[20-Jun-2007 10:59:15] <creiht> unfortunately the text of the actuall error is cut off on the paste
[20-Jun-2007 10:59:18] <creiht> can you try again?
[20-Jun-2007 11:00:45] <moredakka> try this one http://paste.lisp.org/display/43101
[20-Jun-2007 11:02:23] <creiht> oh
[20-Jun-2007 11:02:24] <creiht> I see
[20-Jun-2007 11:02:25] <creiht> hrmm
[20-Jun-2007 11:02:38] <moredakka> hrmm.....that can't be good.
[20-Jun-2007 11:02:55] <creiht> hehe
[20-Jun-2007 11:03:19] <creiht> unfortunately I don't know
[20-Jun-2007 11:03:46] <moredakka> haha
[20-Jun-2007 11:03:51] <creiht> I would send an email to the list, with the errors that you are getting, to see if you can get a response frm the devs
[20-Jun-2007 11:03:59] <moredakka> I was on the edge of my seat for a second.
[20-Jun-2007 11:04:19] <moredakka> Hmmm...haven't gone into the mailing list yet, just the forums.
[20-Jun-2007 11:04:21] <moredakka> and here.
[20-Jun-2007 11:05:09] <creiht> the forums are the same thing... they are linked to the mailing list
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[20-Jun-2007 11:09:22] <moredakka> Ah....I get little to no replies on the forums...I'm going to assume that I will get even less with all the 2.0 problems popping up.
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[20-Jun-2007 11:12:45] <creiht> hehe
[20-Jun-2007 11:12:49] <creiht> well it never hurts to try
[20-Jun-2007 11:12:50] <creiht>
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[20-Jun-2007 11:13:59] <moredakka> true true
[20-Jun-2007 11:15:14] <creiht> unfortunatly the errors that you are seeing are difficult to reproduce, so I can understand how it might be difficult for others to figure out what is going on
[20-Jun-2007 11:15:25] <creiht> fortunately bzed has been seeing similar problems
[20-Jun-2007 11:15:36] <creiht> so hopefully he might be able to help you figure it out
[20-Jun-2007 11:16:20] <moredakka> Well least I'm not the only one. How many systems are you monitoring?
[20-Jun-2007 11:17:31] <creiht> close to 100
[20-Jun-2007 11:17:35] <creiht> not very many
[20-Jun-2007 11:20:08] <moredakka> Ah, about the same as me.
[20-Jun-2007 11:20:10] <moredakka> us
[20-Jun-2007 11:20:12] <moredakka> rather.
[20-Jun-2007 11:20:41] <creiht> hehe
[20-Jun-2007 11:20:54] <moredakka> I guess the big thing that is bothering me with this zenping issue is that I have two devices (I'm going to go through them all) that are only being checked every hour.
[20-Jun-2007 11:21:06] <creiht> that is odd
[20-Jun-2007 11:21:09] <moredakka> They aren't in any groups or weird monitors or anything like that
[20-Jun-2007 11:21:19] <moredakka> but the count is only going up about every hour.
[20-Jun-2007 11:21:26] <moredakka> grrr.
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[20-Jun-2007 11:26:48] <moredakka> thanks for your help anyways creiht
[20-Jun-2007 11:27:14] <rkagin> moredakka: Where do you see the count of how many successful pings for each device?
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[20-Jun-2007 11:29:32] <moredakka> in event tab for the device or under the event tab for all the devices.
[20-Jun-2007 11:31:12] <rkagin> moredakka: In the events tab, I only see when certain thresholds are are exceeded, not anything regarding successful pings.
[20-Jun-2007 11:32:34] <moredakka> ./Status/Ping Site ip x.x.x.x is down 2007/06/19 10:07:17.440 2007/06/20 08:11:58.864 21
[20-Jun-2007 11:32:57] <rkagin> moredakka: Ah, so it says how many failed pings, not how many successful pings.
[20-Jun-2007 11:33:03] <moredakka> It's only incrementing the count of that device for every hour
[20-Jun-2007 11:33:49] <moredakka> Luckly we also have nagios running and it's pinging hasn't stopped like Zenoss's so we were covered for this one being down.
[20-Jun-2007 11:33:51] <rkagin> moredakka: Does the failure count corelate to the last seen time, i.e. after 30 minutes from that last count, the last seen time is 30 minutes ago still?
[20-Jun-2007 11:34:49] <moredakka> they increment every 60 minutes.
[20-Jun-2007 11:35:00] <moredakka> the device has been down for 21 hours now
[20-Jun-2007 11:35:02] <moredakka> ish
[20-Jun-2007 11:37:48] <rkagin> moredakka: I was just thinking about whether it gets seen only every 60 minutes or it fails one out of 60 times on the hour.
[20-Jun-2007 11:38:53] <moredakka> If it failed one every hour then it would still come back after a minute (like the other devices do) then it would report as down in the next hour.
[20-Jun-2007 11:40:13] <rkagin> moredakka: That's true - I guess I was under the impression that if it went up and then went down again, that the event would also simply increment, rather than clear itself and start over if that happened.
[20-Jun-2007 11:40:34] <creiht> moredakka: Sometimes the event doesn't clear, and thus you see what is happening
[20-Jun-2007 11:40:41] <creiht> It is actually pinging the device
[20-Jun-2007 11:40:51] <creiht> Just it fails once every hour
[20-Jun-2007 11:41:01] <creiht> at least that is the best that I can determine from what you describe
[20-Jun-2007 11:41:25] <moredakka> This is even weirder. The same device that has only bee checking every hour I blocked the packets in the iptables to that device and zenping created another even that is incrementing properly but isn't clearing.
[20-Jun-2007 11:42:04] <moredakka> The site is actually down right now so I don't know why it didn't created another event for this or increment these properly.
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[20-Jun-2007 11:45:35] <moredakka> Alright, this is getting to be fun. So I cleared my entry in the iptables to allow access to that device again and the event hasn't cleared. Just for fun I wanted to test it again so I blocked that IP again and it incremented the event like it was never a problem.
[20-Jun-2007 11:45:42] <moredakka> Why is this doing this.....soooo weird.
[20-Jun-2007 11:47:06] <creiht> moredakka: For some reason some events stay active, and don't go away
[20-Jun-2007 11:47:28] <creiht> I haven't figured out exactly why this happens or of this is the desired way it should work or not
[20-Jun-2007 11:47:37] <moredakka> that's what it seems...but it only seems to be that way for these two devices....I've tested with a couple others right now and it seems to clear those events.
[20-Jun-2007 11:47:52] <creiht> hmm
[20-Jun-2007 11:47:58] <creiht> I wish I knew as well
[20-Jun-2007 11:48:03] <moredakka> you and me both.
[20-Jun-2007 11:49:03] <moredakka> probably me more though
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[20-Jun-2007 11:54:24] <rkagin> Alright, I think I've read most everything about ZenPacks, but I still am not 100% sure about everything they have to offer.
[20-Jun-2007 11:59:50] <creiht> rkagin: Welcome to the club
[20-Jun-2007 12:05:14] <rkagin> creiht: 21 views and 0 replies to the post, so hopefully someone figures it out. Although I did read in a few places that ZenPacks was meant for monitors and performance graphs of specific devices, rather than what the code seems to indicate (skins, objects, etc.). So I'm not entirely sure as to the true capabilities are of ZenPacks (although the code is much more believable).
[20-Jun-2007 12:06:04] <creiht> rkagin: As far as I am aware, zenpacks are for all of the above
[20-Jun-2007 12:07:03] <creiht> Theoretically the piece for graphs and stuff for specific devices is a bit easier
[20-Jun-2007 12:07:08] <creiht> as you can export them from the UI
[20-Jun-2007 12:07:27] <rkagin> creiht: And that doesn't use ZenPacks?
[20-Jun-2007 12:07:28] <creiht> then there is also the API for you to add functionality programmatically
[20-Jun-2007 12:07:34] <creiht> that does use zenpacks
[20-Jun-2007 12:08:02] <rkagin> creiht: That's what I thought - from the UI, where is the export functionality? I haven't really toyed around with the GUI.
[20-Jun-2007 12:09:09] <tech_guy> anyone have Zenoss running with cisco 7206?
[20-Jun-2007 12:11:07] <creiht> rkagin: I haven't played with it much, but I remember seeing it somewhere
[20-Jun-2007 12:16:18] <rkagin> creiht: Alright - the Admin Guide does a lot from the command line, but I noticed the zendump command, and am trying to now find that in the code, and see if that sheds light on ZenPack of some sort...
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[20-Jun-2007 12:41:48] <tech_guy> Anyone have their Zenoss pulling a Cisco 7206?? I am having problem getting it to add correctly
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[20-Jun-2007 13:02:03] <tech_guy> Is there a way to view/edit the plugins?
[20-Jun-2007 13:12:07] <zombor> is it possible to view graphs over a specified time range?
[20-Jun-2007 13:16:28] <rkagin> tech_guy: You can view/edit plugins through the Template tab of any device subdirectory.
[20-Jun-2007 13:22:19] <rkagin> zombor: I'm only aware of the zoom in/out functionality, but if you can somehow get your target range with that,then you're set.
[20-Jun-2007 13:24:27] <zombor> =( that was a nice feature of cacti
[20-Jun-2007 13:24:35] <zombor> for monthly reporting and such
[20-Jun-2007 13:28:59] <rkagin> zombor: You can choose monthly view if you wanted.
[20-Jun-2007 13:30:59] <rkagin> zombor: In the performance graphs, you can choose daily, weekly, monthly, or even yearly. From there, you can choose to zoom in on certain parts or zoom out from your current view.
[20-Jun-2007 13:31:50] <zombor> but it it monthly from today, or monthly from the first of the month?
[20-Jun-2007 13:32:58] <rkagin> zombor: The view does not do aggregate by monthly - rather, it zooms out until you view the monthly view.
[20-Jun-2007 13:33:21] <rkagin> zombor: I'm sure you could fidget around to create a graph that graphs aggregate use over the course of a month or whatever you would like to see.
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[20-Jun-2007 13:56:51] <moredakka> anyone know the prices of the 1st level of support for zenoss?
[20-Jun-2007 13:57:09] <moredakka> can't seem to find pricing on the site.
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[20-Jun-2007 14:10:57] <EvanS> anyone around that can answer a few questions?
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[20-Jun-2007 14:12:02] <EvanS> anyone?
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[20-Jun-2007 14:16:49] <solarce> ok guys, now let's answer questions, he's gone
[20-Jun-2007 14:18:40] <creiht> heh
[20-Jun-2007 14:18:46] <creiht> He was only on for 2 mins
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[20-Jun-2007 14:54:33] <tech_guy> is there anyone that can help with Cisco 3750 stacks in Zenoss?
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[20-Jun-2007 15:19:58] <moredakka> So anyone think there is a problem with the timings on this? "2007-06-20 13:07:37 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 84 jobs in 19.96 seconds"
[20-Jun-2007 15:20:32] <bzed> yes, there is, it'll kill large networks
[20-Jun-2007 15:20:35] <bzed>
[20-Jun-2007 15:21:04] <moredakka> 20 sec to ping 84 devices...I'll say that'll kill a network
[20-Jun-2007 15:21:26] <bzed> I killed the whole network on the debian conference
[20-Jun-2007 15:21:29] <creiht> Mine poll in .12 seconds
[20-Jun-2007 15:21:34] <creiht> haha
[20-Jun-2007 15:21:53] <moredakka> :-P
[20-Jun-2007 15:21:54] <bzed> and the zenping daemon went amok, too.. was not killable anymore, had to reboot my computer pretty hard
[20-Jun-2007 15:22:00] <creiht> wow
[20-Jun-2007 15:22:09] <bzed> I'll need to write a bugreport about that
[20-Jun-2007 15:22:20] <bzed> it should support to scan 65000 IPs
[20-Jun-2007 15:22:31] <bzed> nmap manages it without interrupting the network, too
[20-Jun-2007 15:22:35] <moredakka> well looks like it's having problems with 84...
[20-Jun-2007 15:22:43] <moredakka> so only 64016 left.
[20-Jun-2007 15:22:53] <moredakka> before the world ends.
[20-Jun-2007 15:24:37] <creiht> There is probably some sort of time out with the errors that you are getting
[20-Jun-2007 15:24:45] <creiht> Which is causing the longer times
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[20-Jun-2007 15:26:03] <bzed> creiht: you don;t want it fast
[20-Jun-2007 15:26:45] <moredakka> yeah my system is on that mentality as well.
[20-Jun-2007 15:41:18] <jailbreaker_>
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[20-Jun-2007 15:42:03] <jailbreaker_> is there a way to add the device name to the perf graphs ?
[20-Jun-2007 15:42:44] <jailbreaker_> i.e so that when you are watching all the stats for a group to be able to tell which i which
[20-Jun-2007 15:49:54] <giesen> it used to show that
[20-Jun-2007 15:49:57] <giesen> it's gone now for some reason
[20-Jun-2007 15:50:01] <giesen> I have yet to figure out
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[20-Jun-2007 16:08:15] <jailbreaker_> yeah, bout hte "custom" way to add it back ?
[20-Jun-2007 16:20:00] <moredakka> What would cause zenping to only ping every hour on the hour?
[20-Jun-2007 16:20:07] <moredakka> well not on the hour just every hour.
[20-Jun-2007 16:20:51] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 13:07:37 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 84 jobs in 19.96 seconds
[20-Jun-2007 16:21:00] <moredakka> 2007-06-20 14:07:37 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 84 jobs in 20.01 seconds
[20-Jun-2007 16:22:10] <moredakka> But it is actually scanning every 60 seconds as I'm testing all the devices being monitored and they are all counting in 60 second chunks.
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[20-Jun-2007 16:32:48] <rkagin> Anyone know about the events mysql database?
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[20-Jun-2007 17:10:25] <lytrean> I am trying to send an event from a python script. I specify a severity of 3 but it always shows up in the event list with severity 2.
[20-Jun-2007 17:10:44] <lytrean> Anyone know how I can fix that?
[20-Jun-2007 17:16:32] <rkagin> lytrean: Are you using XML-RPC or a REST call? Both of them I feel are documented well in the HowTo section on the community website.
[20-Jun-2007 17:16:44] <lytrean> xmlrpc
[20-Jun-2007 17:19:24] <lytrean> data structure I sent to serv.sendEvent:
[20-Jun-2007 17:19:25] <lytrean> {'device': 'a-server', 'eventClass': '/App/SomeOther/Stuff', 'component': 'SomeComponent', 'severity': 3, 'summary': '...'}
[20-Jun-2007 17:20:13] <lytrean> everything else is submitted properly. all other fields are filled in. the severity just seems to be ignored
[20-Jun-2007 17:20:15] <rkagin> And it's adding the device correctly with everything except for severity?
[20-Jun-2007 17:20:20] <lytrean> yes
[20-Jun-2007 17:20:39] <lytrean> if severity isn't specified does it default to 2?
[20-Jun-2007 17:20:57] <rkagin> lytrean: Try dropping the severity term and checking.
[20-Jun-2007 17:21:05] <lytrean> ok
[20-Jun-2007 17:21:23] <rkagin> lytrean: Or you could verify your syntax by testing it in a REST call (or typing it right into your browser).
[20-Jun-2007 17:22:39] <lytrean> Unexpected Zope exception: Products.ZenEvents.Exceptions.ZenEventError - Required event field severity not found'
[20-Jun-2007 17:25:00] <rkagin> That was through the REST call?
[20-Jun-2007 17:25:13] <lytrean> no. that was pythong
[20-Jun-2007 17:25:17] <lytrean> trying rest gimme a sec..
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[20-Jun-2007 17:25:46] <moredakka> Can anyone tell me what this means (Debugging zenping generates it) "2007-06-20 15:10:53 DEBUG zen.Ping: calling checkTimeout needlessly for x.x.x.x"?
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[20-Jun-2007 17:29:48] <rkagin> moredakka: Check out line 220-230 in this file, and see if it sheds light:
[20-Jun-2007 17:30:07] <rkagin> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/browser/tags/zenoss-2.0.0/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py
[20-Jun-2007 17:30:07] <adytum-bot> Title: /tags/zenoss-2.0.0/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[20-Jun-2007 17:30:32] <rkagin> moredakka: So somehow, that function is being called when there's not a timeout.
[20-Jun-2007 17:31:58] <moredakka> Ah....it's been awhile since I've worked with code :-/
[20-Jun-2007 17:32:03] <lytrean> ok figured out the severity thing. I created an event class and the zEventSeverity is, by default, set to Info. You need to set it to "Default" to overwrite it. ...
[20-Jun-2007 17:32:07] <moredakka> I was assuming that this "if self.jobqueue.has_key(pj.ipaddr)" fails
[20-Jun-2007 17:32:07] <lytrean> Is that a bug or a feature? heh
[20-Jun-2007 17:34:11] <rkagin> lytrean: Honestly, I never had that problem - I just defined the dictionary with all the values that they wanted, and then sent it off through ZenEventManager, and all went well for me.
[20-Jun-2007 17:37:21] <moredakka> I'm curious why zenoss debug is generating soo many "unexpected pkt" errors and "calling checkTimeout needlessly" errors. I also get "failed to parse host unreachable packet" errors (lots of those). All of these errors are causing problems with zenping and slowing it down.
[20-Jun-2007 17:38:41] <rkagin> moredakka: I don't think I'm knowledgeable to help you on that issue.
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[20-Jun-2007 17:38:56] <rkagin> knowledgeable enough, rather.
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[20-Jun-2007 17:39:27] <moredakka> Also, why is zenping debug reporting "unexpected pkt" on IPs that aren't even in my device list? (I have a host unreachable for 10.10.10.67 and that device doesn't even exist on my network) :-(
[20-Jun-2007 17:39:56] <moredakka> Thanks for listening anyways. I'm pretty sure that these errors are breaking zenping somehow.
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[20-Jun-2007 17:41:50] <rkagin> moredakka: Check the IP table that it's running through - maybe it's scanning every device between 10.10.10.0 and 10.10.10.255 or something along those lines...?
[20-Jun-2007 17:42:27] <moredakka> zenoss has an IP table that I can check? Under network?
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[20-Jun-2007 17:45:53] <rkagin> moredakka: Well, I only know stuff from a code standpoint, but IpNetwork.py creates a big list of IPs and then pings all of them to determine which are "good" and which are "bad". Maybe deleting all devices and re-auto-detecting the devices may solve some of the issues?
[20-Jun-2007 17:45:54] <moredakka> nvm, found it. it shows that device as up and responding to ping but if I ping from CLI I get nothing....
[20-Jun-2007 17:46:05] <rkagin> moredakka: CLI?
[20-Jun-2007 17:46:14] <moredakka> Command line interface.
[20-Jun-2007 17:46:19] <moredakka> ;-)
[20-Jun-2007 17:46:22] <rkagin> moredakka: Gotcha.
[20-Jun-2007 17:47:16] <moredakka> I guess the 2 things that are really bugging me and I'm trying to find the root is: I have two devices that zenping is only checking every hour and incrementing the count every hour.
[20-Jun-2007 17:47:22] <moredakka> and
[20-Jun-2007 17:48:13] <moredakka> I haven't seen the "2007-06-20 13:07:37 INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 84 jobs in 19.96 seconds" in awhile. (even though it should be more like 0.17 seconds). I randomly see it on the hour but not always.
[20-Jun-2007 17:48:59] <moredakka> Also, deleting all the devices is not an option for me
[20-Jun-2007 17:49:10] <moredakka> Can I run that script on it's own?
[20-Jun-2007 17:51:25] <moredakka> One more thing, I've been told that the "not in topology" error isn't anything I should worry about?
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[20-Jun-2007 17:54:42] <rkagin> moredakka: Again, it's beyond me. I just am trying to research ZenOSS from a code standpoint, so my skills on debugging are limited at best.
[20-Jun-2007 17:57:51] <rkagin> moredakka: I also haven't gotten in depth as to where these alleged IP tables are stored (of all the good ips) other than the device list (which I now have to go back and locate, thanks for reminding me).
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[20-Jun-2007 17:59:32] <moredakka> ;-) At least something good came outta this. I've got it posted in the forums so cross your fingers and hope that a dev or anyone reads/responds to my post (doesn't seem to happen often for me. I do most of the talking in my threads...)
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[20-Jun-2007 18:06:34] <rkagin> moredakka: Best of luck - I got a response to my only question I posted on the form (about ZenPacks).
[20-Jun-2007 18:07:20] <creiht> rkagin: oh really? Wat type of response did you get?
[20-Jun-2007 18:09:29] <rkagin> creiht: Check it out on the forums: http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2312&sid=f07bdc4346ca18d045057ce5403f3bad
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[20-Jun-2007 18:09:29] <rkagin> [Probably should drop the sid part though]
[20-Jun-2007 18:10:33] <creiht> cool
[20-Jun-2007 18:10:48] <creiht> It's a start
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[20-Jun-2007 18:20:53] <rkagin> Yeah - tomorrow I'll probably truly parse through the answers, and any other questions I'll try and propose again. Who is this Eric though? Not Eric as in edahl, is it?
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[20-Jun-2007 19:00:26] <creiht> rkagin: It is a different Eric, but one of the devs, and a good guy
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[21-Jun-2007 03:46:17] <iuso> hi. i'm still experiencing the same problem as yesterday with not getting any snmp events from a device
[21-Jun-2007 03:46:47] <iuso> all seems to be working well, but one device won't report any events from snmp
[21-Jun-2007 03:47:12] <iuso> i've tried a lot of things already; i cleared the caches and heartbeats and all, and restarted more than once
[21-Jun-2007 03:47:45] <iuso> then i went to extreme measures and manually deleted all entries from the history and status databases
[21-Jun-2007 03:47:49] <iuso> still no luck
[21-Jun-2007 03:48:12] <iuso> zenperfsnmp persistently claims:
[21-Jun-2007 03:49:03] <iuso> "There are still 2 devices to query" "Problem devices: ['foo', 'bar']" "Devices status is not clearing. Restarting."
[21-Jun-2007 03:49:35] <iuso> this i get in zenperfsnmp.log every 5 minutes (when it tries to read snmp data, apparently)
[21-Jun-2007 03:50:23] <iuso> does anyone have an idea as to where this might stem from?
[21-Jun-2007 03:51:11] <iuso> (oh, i meant to say i'm not getting events from _two_ devices not one. but the other one isn't really important so i don't pay much attention to it)
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[21-Jun-2007 05:36:40] <Farhod> Hi, I need some help with installing zenwin, with python 2.4 and and pywin32-210.win32-py2.4 on win XP
[21-Jun-2007 05:37:11] <Farhod> while I want to run python zenwin.py -C etc\zenwin.cfg
[21-Jun-2007 05:37:42] <Farhod> I get error that do on exist logging module
[21-Jun-2007 05:38:10] <Farhod> maybe I should use other version of python?
[21-Jun-2007 05:38:21] <Farhod> I use latest of zenwin
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[21-Jun-2007 08:58:32] <spike> can you use zenoss as an invventory application with detailed info about the hw, apps running, etc?
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[21-Jun-2007 08:58:38] <spike> like a real inventory app would do
[21-Jun-2007 08:58:56] <spike> I cant install it now and would love to know if that's possible
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[21-Jun-2007 08:59:27] <spike> from this sshot http://www.zenoss.com/product/screenshots/7_desc I can see an "hardware" tab
[21-Jun-2007 08:59:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 08:59:31] <spike> which would suggest this is possible, but it doesnt say to which level of detail it goes
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[21-Jun-2007 10:27:34] <crazyal> Hey, anyone around today?
[21-Jun-2007 10:27:46] <spike> no
[21-Jun-2007 10:27:57] <crazyal> ah okay thanks spike....
[21-Jun-2007 10:28:23] <crazyal> I was just wondering whether it's pretty trivial to trigger a custom script if a server goes down?
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[21-Jun-2007 10:29:14] <spike> crazyal: I wasnt being sarcastic, there's really nobody around, but me, which knows nothing, and the bot which knows even less but it's also a lot annoying
[21-Jun-2007 10:29:47] <crazyal> spike: ah okay! I know there are a couple of the developers on here now and then
[21-Jun-2007 10:31:06] <spike> crazyal: by tge look of things it should get a bit more lively in a couple hrs
[21-Jun-2007 10:32:22] <crazyal> spike: cool. I think the answer to my question is yes but I wanted to check
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[21-Jun-2007 10:44:08] <moredakka> crazyal: We have a script that is triggered when a device goes down, calls a perl script, very easy to setup zenoss to do it.
[21-Jun-2007 10:44:19] <moredakka> Now if only I can get an answer about my zenping issues.
[21-Jun-2007 10:44:56] <crazyal> moredakka: thanks
I don't know what zenping is though hehe. I'm guessing it's the Zenoss system that pings the servers?[21-Jun-2007 10:46:03] <moredakka> Yeah and mine is partly broken and pissing me off.
[21-Jun-2007 10:46:05] <moredakka> :-/
[21-Jun-2007 10:46:18] <moredakka> did you figure out how to setup zenoss to call the script?
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[21-Jun-2007 10:47:41] <crazyal> moredakka: Well I haven't actually installed Zenoss yet, but one the big requirements is to be call scripts when the server goes down so I wanted to check first
[21-Jun-2007 10:48:39] <moredakka> Yeah, it's very easy to set that up actually.
[21-Jun-2007 10:53:47] <crazyal> excellent
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[21-Jun-2007 11:17:11] <creiht> spike: Most of us here are users that help out when we can
[21-Jun-2007 11:18:05] <creiht> We have day jobs as well
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[21-Jun-2007 11:47:35] <moredakka>
just wish there was a dev online so my zenping issue could be addressed [21-Jun-2007 11:47:56] *** scanf has joined #zenoss
[21-Jun-2007 11:48:36] <moredakka> had a device go down last night and I didn't get notified from zenoss until 1.5 hours after it went down
[21-Jun-2007 11:48:42] <scanf> ah. There actually is one. hey you guys (well the project) sort of got slashdotted today so congrats first
[21-Jun-2007 11:48:52] <moredakka> it was down from 20:19:27.308 -> 06:56:09.497 and zenping only counted 12.
[21-Jun-2007 11:49:43] <scanf> so I just was curious if there was any kind of topological network map in the works?
[21-Jun-2007 11:49:47] <moredakka> and of course on a test computer it works no problem down from 2007/06/21 09:33:56.230 -> 2007/06/21 09:48:53.151 count of 16
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[21-Jun-2007 12:04:13] <solarce> moredakka: perhaps you should be using something known to work for your monitoring, and not have a single point of failure
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[21-Jun-2007 12:06:02] <moredakka> Well right now zenoss is being our single point of failure. we have 2 other monitoring systems in place to make sure that we are bring alerted when soemthing goes down because right now zenoss is extremely unrelyable.
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[21-Jun-2007 12:08:28] <solarce> if you have two other systems in place, then it isn't a single point of failure
[21-Jun-2007 12:08:53] <solarce> and if it's so important to use zenoss, maybe pay for some support
[21-Jun-2007 12:12:18] <rkagin> What does dmd stand for?
[21-Jun-2007 12:13:35] <solarce> doctor of dental medicine?
[21-Jun-2007 12:14:24] <creiht> da monitoring dood?
[21-Jun-2007 12:14:36] <creiht>
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[21-Jun-2007 12:17:02] <andrew_p> how does event collection via xml-rpc actually work? i have not found a single word in admin guide?
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[21-Jun-2007 12:24:25] <rkagin> andrew_p: It just uses xml-rpc to enter event information into the database. The database is parsed by the web interface and displays everything in the table.
[21-Jun-2007 12:31:19] <andrew_p> rkagin: ok, per my understanding some xml-rpc listener must be placed on each network machine to monitor its health remotely. then what makes xml-rpc calls, what triggers the listener to write data into db?
[21-Jun-2007 12:34:18] <creiht> andrew_p: I think you have it a bit backwards
[21-Jun-2007 12:34:43] <creiht> There is an xmlrpc mechanism built in to zenoss, that allows external systems to create alerts in zenoss
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[21-Jun-2007 12:36:37] <andrew_p> creiht: aha, ok. then are there any specifications of this api available?
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[21-Jun-2007 12:39:31] <creiht> yes
[21-Jun-2007 12:39:34] <creiht> looking..
[21-Jun-2007 12:39:38] <rkagin> andrew_p: I think the howto guide on alerts/devices does well.
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:14] <rkagin> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/send-events/
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:14] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:27] <rkagin> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/add-device/
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:28] <rkagin> Try those out.
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:41] <creiht> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/send-events/
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:41] <creiht> hehe
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:41] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:41] <creiht> rkagin: beat me to it
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:41] <rkagin> creiht: Yeah, but I jumped in, so you didn't know I was looking already.
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:45] <creiht> hehe
[21-Jun-2007 12:40:49] <creiht> no problem
[21-Jun-2007 12:41:01] <creiht> I'm glad someone else can answer these questions besides me
[21-Jun-2007 12:41:02] <andrew_p> rkagin, creiht: many thanks
[21-Jun-2007 12:41:07] <creiht> and cluther when he is on
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[21-Jun-2007 12:42:04] <rkagin> creiht: I hardly can answer questions. I've just done lots of looking around figuring out how ZenOSS works from behind the scenes.
[21-Jun-2007 12:42:14] <s34n> has zenoss implemented any ngoss stuff?
[21-Jun-2007 12:42:58] <s34n> I see that it can do some server config, etc. How extensive is that?
[21-Jun-2007 12:43:31] <creiht> rkagin: That's how most of us start
[21-Jun-2007 12:43:59] <creiht> s34n: Zenoss does everything Nagios does but more, and better
[21-Jun-2007 12:44:14] <creiht> IT will also allow you to use your nagios plugins if you so need
[21-Jun-2007 12:44:40] <rkagin> s34n: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/create-modify-nagios-templates/ (to back up creiht)
[21-Jun-2007 12:44:40] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 12:45:35] <creiht> hehe
[21-Jun-2007 12:45:59] <s34n> creiht: I'm not all that familiar with what nagios does in the way of actively provisioning things
[21-Jun-2007 12:46:09] <creiht> ahh
[21-Jun-2007 12:46:10] <creiht> well
[21-Jun-2007 12:46:31] <creiht> There are several ways you can handle provisioning
[21-Jun-2007 12:46:41] <creiht> you can point it at a network and auto discover
[21-Jun-2007 12:46:52] <creiht> or you can manually add by ip address
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[21-Jun-2007 12:47:33] <creiht> If the devices are properly configured with SNMP it will pull pretty much all the info that you need
[21-Jun-2007 12:47:42] <s34n> creiht: by "provision" I mean to configure/alter the state of the thing
[21-Jun-2007 12:47:46] <creiht> ahh
[21-Jun-2007 12:47:53] <creiht> Well there is a UI
[21-Jun-2007 12:47:55] <rkagin> creiht: Can ZenOSS discover devices without SNMP?
[21-Jun-2007 12:47:58] <creiht> yes
[21-Jun-2007 12:48:05] <creiht> snmp is the default
[21-Jun-2007 12:48:13] <creiht> and the only wayt that I have used it so far
[21-Jun-2007 12:48:28] <creiht> It also has a portscan discovery
[21-Jun-2007 12:48:41] <s34n> creiht: for instance, if I want to add an email account, or adjust the heat of a boiler, or something like that..
[21-Jun-2007 12:48:53] <creiht> ohh
[21-Jun-2007 12:48:59] <creiht> It doesn't do that type of stuff
[21-Jun-2007 12:49:04] <creiht> It just monitors the servers
[21-Jun-2007 12:49:13] <creiht> It doesn't do server management
[21-Jun-2007 12:49:13] <s34n> that's what I figured
[21-Jun-2007 12:49:34] <s34n> would anybody be interested in a project that can do that?
[21-Jun-2007 12:49:47] <creiht> Well there already is webmin
[21-Jun-2007 12:49:47] <s34n> and a way to integrate it with zenoss?
[21-Jun-2007 12:49:53] <s34n> not webmin
[21-Jun-2007 12:50:02] <rkagin> creiht: Looking at ZenModel/IpNetwork.py, it looks like it generates a full list of IPs, pings them all, and then creates an object to put in the network category before using snmp to get extra information?
[21-Jun-2007 12:50:55] <creiht> rkagin: Good question... I'm not completely sure... I've only experimented with the auto discovery.
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:07] <s34n> creiht: A framework that allows plugins/drivers for anything anybody cares to dream up
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:15] <creiht> oh
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:20] <rkagin> creiht: I'm trying to research the autodiscovery technique ZenOSS uses, and really going into depth with all the functions and subfunctions it calls.
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:21] <s34n> creiht: and adheres to NGOSS and other standards
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:25] <creiht> Well zenoss currently has something like that
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:28] <creiht> oh soryr
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:38] <s34n> so that it can be integrated with an NMS like zenoss
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:39] <creiht> I misread NGOSS thinking you were talking about Nagios
[21-Jun-2007 12:51:47] <creiht> googles NGOSS
[21-Jun-2007 12:52:08] <rkagin> creiht: Oh, hah, me too on the misread.
[21-Jun-2007 12:52:31] <creiht> s34n: That is a good question... I'm not completely sure
[21-Jun-2007 12:52:44] <creiht> I wouldn't be interested, but I can't speak for everyone
[21-Jun-2007 12:53:06] <s34n> creiht: zenoss can be good ears and eyes. But where are the hands?
[21-Jun-2007 12:53:34] <creiht> I type with them
[21-Jun-2007 12:53:43] <creiht> Along those lines
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[21-Jun-2007 12:55:37] <creiht> It does some things that you may be interested in
[21-Jun-2007 12:55:55] <creiht> like it can be set up to automatically run scripts when events occure
[21-Jun-2007 12:55:57] <creiht> err occur
[21-Jun-2007 12:56:30] <creiht> Zenoss also has a plugin system called Zenpacks that you could probably use to extend the current functionality to do whatever you want
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[21-Jun-2007 12:59:41] <creiht> off to lunch... bbl
[21-Jun-2007 13:00:09] <rkagin> s34n: ZenOSS is network monitoring software, not network administrative software. My understanding is that it's supposed to automate the watching process, and when something fails or whatever, then you can get an email or alert. It allows you to analyze how your system has been used in the past through several different performance features, etc. ZenPacks will allow you to add custom features to it, and export it to a package that you could hand off t
[21-Jun-2007 13:17:49] <rkagin> So no one know what dmd stands for? As in "dmd configuration" of objects?
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[21-Jun-2007 13:24:42] <s34n> rkagin: data mapping document?
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[21-Jun-2007 13:38:02] <Tenkawa> I just started messing with zenoss today
[21-Jun-2007 13:38:30] <Tenkawa> I'm using the v2 branch and I was wondering if there any other discovery protocols that I could use besides snmp
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[21-Jun-2007 13:43:32] <jbsnake> hello all
[21-Jun-2007 13:44:17] <jbsnake> is support for CentOS no longer available. the install guide for it seems to have vanished
[21-Jun-2007 13:44:54] <rkagin> Tenkawa: By default, it first pings every IP on a network, and then if SNMP is enabled, it also does that. For modeling, it uses SNMP, but can use various plugins for monitoring.
[21-Jun-2007 13:45:03] <Tenkawa> ahh
[21-Jun-2007 13:45:33] <rkagin> Tenkawa: So by that, you can add devices that aren't SNMP enabled, but you don't get very much information on them besides up/down time.
[21-Jun-2007 13:45:55] <Tenkawa> right
[21-Jun-2007 13:45:59] <Tenkawa> thats ok for now
[21-Jun-2007 13:46:12] <rkagin> Tenkawa: I hope that answers your question in some form.
[21-Jun-2007 13:46:18] <Tenkawa> definitely.. thanks
[21-Jun-2007 13:46:33] <Tenkawa> I'm going to add my subnet and a few ips now and let the discovery begin
[21-Jun-2007 13:47:04] <Tenkawa> well.. guess I'll do that when I get home to a browser I can run javascipt on.. heh
[21-Jun-2007 13:47:09] <Tenkawa> er javascript
[21-Jun-2007 13:48:10] <rkagin> Tenkawa: It uses AJAX too for the GUI.
[21-Jun-2007 13:48:21] <Tenkawa> ahh
[21-Jun-2007 13:48:29] <Tenkawa> yeah.. better wait till I can fire up FF
[21-Jun-2007 13:48:43] <Tenkawa> lynx/links/elinks aint going to happen
[21-Jun-2007 13:48:44] <Tenkawa> heheh
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[21-Jun-2007 15:08:30] <jbsnake> is there an install guide for centos?
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[21-Jun-2007 15:20:14] <jshadow> jbsnake, the rhel one should suffice I'd think
[21-Jun-2007 15:24:19] <jbsnake> well... there is a dependancy loop
[21-Jun-2007 15:28:52] <jbsnake> i install the packages it says with yum
[21-Jun-2007 15:29:06] <jbsnake> yum -y install mysql mysql-server net-snmp net-snmp-utils
[21-Jun-2007 15:29:13] <jbsnake> then the deps files
[21-Jun-2007 15:29:21] <jbsnake> rpm -Uvh zenoss-deps/*.rpm
[21-Jun-2007 15:29:26] <jbsnake> i get an error
[21-Jun-2007 15:29:40] <jbsnake> rror: Failed dependencies: libmysqlclient.so.14 is needed by (installed) perl-DBD-MySQL-2.9004-3.1.centos4.i386
[21-Jun-2007 15:31:26] <jbsnake> which... the way i see it... means it is trying to replace the file libmysqlclient.so* with one within this package
[21-Jun-2007 15:49:00] <moredakka> DEBUG zen.Ping: calling checkTimeout needlessly for x.x.x.x <- This is causing problems with zenping, it seems to be skipping 4/94 devices that I'm checking and that is the error that it generates for each one.
[21-Jun-2007 15:51:33] <zombor> how can i find out why I'm not getting a CPU Utilization graph even though SNMP reports "CpuRawUser"??
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[21-Jun-2007 16:06:24] <rkagin> Does the installation of ZenOSS require anything other than just python (version 2.4) and mysql (version 5.0+)?
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[21-Jun-2007 16:11:46] <blistov_> has anyone yet created an ebuild for zenoss?
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[21-Jun-2007 16:35:28] <moredakka> any devs here that can help me with my ongoing zenping issue?
[21-Jun-2007 16:41:56] <creiht> moredakka: For future note, you will be looking for cluther (he's one of their support guys), ecn (dev), _chris_ (dev)
[21-Jun-2007 16:42:04] <creiht> cluther is on the most
[21-Jun-2007 16:43:41] <rkagin> creiht: Do you by chance know where the device list is stored? I can see where it is called, but I can't seem to determine from where the list would be stored (since only alerts are stored in mysql).
[21-Jun-2007 16:44:08] <creiht> rkagin: They will be stored in the ZODB (Zope Object Database)
[21-Jun-2007 16:44:27] <rkagin> creiht: Viewable by /manage appended to the url?
[21-Jun-2007 16:45:09] <creiht> not really
[21-Jun-2007 16:45:23] <creiht> You can get the zope management screen that way
[21-Jun-2007 16:45:31] <creiht> but that doesn't neccisarily get you to the data
[21-Jun-2007 16:45:58] <rkagin> creiht: Just trying to figure out how data gets in and out of it, etc.; but I wanted to see where it was stored, and how it got there, as well.
[21-Jun-2007 16:46:07] <creiht> gotcha
[21-Jun-2007 16:46:15] <creiht> How familiar are you with Zope?
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:01] <creiht> Because all Configuration information (devices, services to poll, etc.) are stored in the Zope DB
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:04] <rkagin> creiht: Let's just leave it at not.
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:08] <creiht> hehe
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:18] <moredakka> Thanks creiht. I just wish any of them were here now so I could get this problem fixed :-/
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:20] <creiht> Zope has its own build in object database
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:23] <rkagin> creiht: As in let's leave it at "I'm not familiar with it."
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:27] <creiht> hehe
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:32] <creiht> moredakka: understood
[21-Jun-2007 16:47:54] <rkagin> moredakka: Make a script that alerts you when one of the three of them speak.
[21-Jun-2007 16:48:05] <creiht> unfortunately it doesn't have a nice command line interface like you might get with Postgres or MySQL
[21-Jun-2007 16:48:18] <creiht> There is kind of a command line for Zenoss though
[21-Jun-2007 16:48:24] <creiht> that allows you to mess with the data a bit
[21-Jun-2007 16:48:30] <creiht> just sec let me look it up
[21-Jun-2007 16:48:44] <rkagin> creiht: Ok, thanks. I toyed with the alerts a bit through sql.
[21-Jun-2007 16:50:06] <creiht> rkagin: In $ZENHOME/bin there is a script called zendmd
[21-Jun-2007 16:50:40] <creiht> which basically just runs $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/zendmd.py
[21-Jun-2007 16:50:58] <creiht> Which opens up a python console with various objects available
[21-Jun-2007 16:51:00] <rkagin> creiht: And dmd stands for...?
[21-Jun-2007 16:51:07] <creiht> that is a good question
[21-Jun-2007 16:51:12] <moredakka> I don't think anyone knows
[21-Jun-2007 16:51:34] <moredakka> Dynamic Monitoring Device
[21-Jun-2007 16:51:41] <creiht> rkagin: But it will let you play with the internals
[21-Jun-2007 16:52:23] <rkagin> creiht: Alright, I'm going to go through the code to see what's going down, since I only need to research it - someone else will specialize in actually using it.
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[21-Jun-2007 16:53:40] <rkagin> creiht: There's a debug function called addDevicesTest() that adds 40,000 devices.
[21-Jun-2007 16:53:49] <creiht> hehe
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[21-Jun-2007 16:55:57] <rkagin> creiht: Also, /ZenModel/DmdBuilder.py looks promising for understanding what structure is built on install.
[21-Jun-2007 16:56:20] <creiht> cool
[21-Jun-2007 17:01:11] <rkagin> creiht: So the next person you help, you can point them to that url as well.
[21-Jun-2007 17:02:08] <creiht> noted
[21-Jun-2007 17:02:23] <creiht> one of these days, I'm going to have time to run through the code
[21-Jun-2007 17:05:43] <rkagin> creiht: One of these days, I'm going to have time to check out what the GUI actually does.
[21-Jun-2007 17:06:08] <rkagin> creiht: I have a version running, but my role right now is to understand how things work, now how to navigate through it.
[21-Jun-2007 17:06:20] <rkagin> not how, rather.
[21-Jun-2007 17:08:50] <creiht> heh
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[21-Jun-2007 17:15:35] <rkagin> creiht: Speaking of which, you installed ZenOSS on your server - was there anything required besides python 2.4 and mysql 5.0+?
[21-Jun-2007 17:16:30] <rkagin> I've been reading about certain dependencies from debian installs, but I can't seem to find a quick outline of what was deduced (http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5017).
[21-Jun-2007 17:16:30] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Ubuntu packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 17:19:37] <rkagin> For the future, this may be of some help to people installing ZenOSS on Centos:
[21-Jun-2007 17:19:51] <rkagin> http://www.webaj.com/how-install-zenoss-1-1-2-centos-5-0-server-and-network-monitoring.htm
[21-Jun-2007 17:19:51] <adytum-bot> Title: How to install Zenoss 1.1.2 on Centos 5.0 - Server and network monitoring. | webAJ.com (at www.webaj.com)
[21-Jun-2007 17:19:53] <creiht> rkagin: I believe that is it
[21-Jun-2007 17:20:18] <creiht> It includes all the other dependencies
[21-Jun-2007 17:20:36] <creiht> That may have changed a bit with 2.0
[21-Jun-2007 17:20:48] <creiht> I think with the RPM build there is a dependencies RPM
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[21-Jun-2007 17:21:15] <creiht> and when the debian stuff is done, it should pull all dependencies from packages already available
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[21-Jun-2007 17:22:51] <rkagin> creiht: Where would I find this alleged dependencies RPM? As for the debian stuff, I found this link as well: http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1551
[21-Jun-2007 17:22:51] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Installing on Debian etch using mostly native packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 17:22:55] <djhabeeb> anyone know what would be the cause of zenstatus process not staying up?
[21-Jun-2007 17:23:57] <rkagin> djhabeeb: What do you mean? I'm not sure I could help you, but more explanation may perk a few ears in here.
[21-Jun-2007 17:24:12] <djhabeeb> well if i go to the zenoss page
[21-Jun-2007 17:24:13] <djhabeeb> click about
[21-Jun-2007 17:24:19] <djhabeeb> the zenstatus process always shows as down
[21-Jun-2007 17:24:22] <djhabeeb> even after a restart
[21-Jun-2007 17:24:33] <djhabeeb> i mean after a restart it stays up for awhile....then goes back to being down
[21-Jun-2007 17:24:51] <djhabeeb> thought the log files were getting too big.....cleared that and still no luck
[21-Jun-2007 17:25:33] <rkagin> djahbeeb: Is zenstatus down for any particular devices, or all devices?
[21-Jun-2007 17:25:58] <rkagin> djhabeeb: Also, is zenstatus simply not polling, or is it returning that the device is down?
[21-Jun-2007 17:26:01] <djhabeeb> its down on the host
[21-Jun-2007 17:26:16] <djhabeeb> zenstatus is a process that runs on the zenoss host
[21-Jun-2007 17:26:17] <moredakka> creiht you know that problem I'm having with zenping? I don't know if I've narrowed it at all but in the zenping logs it shows:
[21-Jun-2007 17:26:18] <moredakka> 2007-06-21 15:23:45 DEBUG zen.ZenPing: starting 1.1.1.1
[21-Jun-2007 17:26:18] <moredakka> 2007-06-21 15:23:45 DEBUG zen.Ping: send icmp to '1.1.1.1'
[21-Jun-2007 17:26:42] <djhabeeb> zenstatus view log Down
[21-Jun-2007 17:26:59] <moredakka> but I never get:
[21-Jun-2007 17:27:00] <moredakka> 2007-06-21 15:23:45 DEBUG zen.Ping: echo reply pkt 1.1.1.1 <ICMP packet 0 0 24795 0>
[21-Jun-2007 17:27:00] <moredakka> 2007-06-21 15:23:45 DEBUG zen.Ping: pj succeed for 1.1.1.1
[21-Jun-2007 17:27:00] <moredakka> 2007-06-21 15:23:45 DEBUG zen.ZenPing: Success 1.1.1.1
[21-Jun-2007 17:27:00] <creiht> rkagin: I'm not sure... I've just heard people talk about it
[21-Jun-2007 17:27:33] <moredakka> or that it failed or anything at all. I've tried removing the device and re-adding it but it doesn't make a difference, it's like it doesn't remove it from the dbase.
[21-Jun-2007 17:28:12] <creiht> moredakka: hmm... sorry... I wish I could help more, but you have me stumped
[21-Jun-2007 17:29:20] <rkagin> moredakka: If it has it's own ip, what about release/renew it?
[21-Jun-2007 17:29:43] <rkagin> djhabeeb: I'm not really sure I can help you on that one, sorry. Don't really do well with debugging as of yet.
[21-Jun-2007 17:30:01] <djhabeeb> np thanks anyway
[21-Jun-2007 17:30:23] <rkagin> creiht: Alright, well the post on the debian install seemed to help somewhat with the missing dependencies, but that should be taken care of in zenoss2.0 for the most part, I think.
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[21-Jun-2007 17:31:10] <moredakka> rkagin: What do you mean, these are static IPs for the zenoss box and the device it's monitoring. I even tried to reboot the zenoss box but that didn't make a diff
[21-Jun-2007 17:31:49] <moredakka> bah, and I keep getting "DEBUG zen.Ping: calling checkTimeout needlessly for 1.1.1.1"
[21-Jun-2007 17:32:58] <djhabeeb> is using nagios scripts on zenoss as simple as just porting the commands over?
[21-Jun-2007 17:34:15] <creiht> djhabeeb: It is as easy as copying the script into a folder in the zenoss directory
[21-Jun-2007 17:34:34] <creiht> And then you have to use the UI to setup which script you want to call and how often
[21-Jun-2007 17:34:39] <djhabeeb> what are the variables it uses?
[21-Jun-2007 17:34:44] <djhabeeb> i ported over the scripts
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:10] <creiht> djhabeeb: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/create-modify-nagios-templates/
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:10] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:10] <djhabeeb> but not sure if its working since i dont think the variables are the same
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:10] <djhabeeb> ah cool
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:10] <djhabeeb> thanks
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:10] <creiht> np
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:17] <creiht> I've only done a little bit with then, re-using the http_check
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:41] <djhabeeb> ah that helps.....the variables are different
[21-Jun-2007 17:35:59] <djhabeeb> nagios is $HOST$ ......zenoss is $devname
[21-Jun-2007 17:36:29] <creiht> ahh
[21-Jun-2007 17:37:24] <rkagin> moredakka: Sorry, got no other techniques other than my limited ones.
[21-Jun-2007 17:45:12] <moredakka> ;-) that's all good ;-)
[21-Jun-2007 17:46:24] <jshadow> anyone running into problems renaming datapoints on 2?
[21-Jun-2007 17:46:33] <jshadow> I'm getting errors
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[21-Jun-2007 18:10:46] <moredakka> creiht are you still around?
[21-Jun-2007 18:10:52] <creiht> somewhat
[21-Jun-2007 18:10:55] <moredakka> ha
[21-Jun-2007 18:11:04] <moredakka> had a different question now.
[21-Jun-2007 18:11:07] <creiht> hehe ok
[21-Jun-2007 18:12:25] <moredakka> I haven't done this myself but my boss has been working with zenoss a litle bit. He set his machine up to be a windows "server" but it wasn't reading the memoryPagesPerSec, memoryAvailableKBytes or cpuPercentProcessorTime properly until he installed something (can't remember the fix) on his computer.
[21-Jun-2007 18:12:38] <moredakka> zenoss wasn't reading that.
[21-Jun-2007 18:13:07] <moredakka> but he has solar winds demo of the same kinda software that zenoss is and it was able to read those OIDs no problem. What could be the problem with zenoss?
[21-Jun-2007 18:13:52] <creiht> Well you have a couple of options
[21-Jun-2007 18:14:31] <creiht> One is that you install snmp-informant on the boxes, which is what enables those OIDs to be polled via snmp
[21-Jun-2007 18:14:43] <creiht> Or you could use ZenWin to pull the information via WMI
[21-Jun-2007 18:14:50] <creiht> I haven't used ZenWin yet
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:00] <moredakka> Is that just in 2.0
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:02] <moredakka> ?
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:07] <creiht> I'm guessing that solar winds stuff pulls via WMI
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:26] <creiht> 2.0 introduced a linux port of ZenWin
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:30] <moredakka> Because installing anything on our cusomter's servers isn't an option.
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:37] <moredakka> Ah but it should be on 1.1.1?
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:49] <creiht> on older versions you had to run zenwin on a windows box I believe
[21-Jun-2007 18:15:51] <creiht> ahh
[21-Jun-2007 18:16:50] <moredakka> older version being 1.1.1?
[21-Jun-2007 18:16:55] <creiht> yes
[21-Jun-2007 18:17:02] <creiht> I think
[21-Jun-2007 18:17:07] <creiht> I've never used the ZenWin stuff
[21-Jun-2007 18:17:30] <moredakka> Well I'm going to look it up ;-)
[21-Jun-2007 18:17:31] <moredakka> thnx
[21-Jun-2007 18:18:32] <creiht> np
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[21-Jun-2007 18:59:10] <MNSain> Hi. Anyone around
[21-Jun-2007 18:59:44] <rkagin> I'm around for now before I head home from work.
[21-Jun-2007 19:00:01] <MNSain> Mind if I ask a real quick question?
[21-Jun-2007 19:00:28] <rkagin> MNSain: Really gave me a chance there. I'll try to answer, but I can't guarantee.
[21-Jun-2007 19:00:36] <rkagin> :-)
[21-Jun-2007 19:00:41] <MNSain> :-)
[21-Jun-2007 19:01:00] <rkagin> MNSain: Seriously, though, go ahead.
[21-Jun-2007 19:01:23] <MNSain> rkagin: I'm running CentOS 4.4 and upgraded from 1.1.1 to 2.0.0.
[21-Jun-2007 19:01:40] <MNSain> When I go to the login page I get "Resource not found."
[21-Jun-2007 19:01:50] * MNSain is stumped.
[21-Jun-2007 19:02:18] <rkagin> MNSain: I can't really help on that issue. But I did find this article earlier: http://www.webaj.com/how-install-zenoss-1-1-2-centos-5-0-server-and-network-monitoring.htm
[21-Jun-2007 19:02:18] <adytum-bot> Title: How to install Zenoss 1.1.2 on Centos 5.0 - Server and network monitoring. | webAJ.com (at www.webaj.com)
[21-Jun-2007 19:02:20] <rkagin> MNSain: Best advice I can offer is that url, and hopefully you have something in common with that.
[21-Jun-2007 19:03:41] <MNSain> rkagin: Ok, I'll check it out. Thanks.
[21-Jun-2007 19:03:47] <MNSain> Have a good night.
[21-Jun-2007 19:03:48] <rkagin> MNSain: Best of luck.
[21-Jun-2007 19:03:50] <andrew_p> clearing browser's cache is also worth trying
2.0 is picky about that[21-Jun-2007 19:04:21] <andrew_p> anybody knows how to send an event clearance via xml-rpc?
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[21-Jun-2007 19:07:57] <rkagin> andrew_p: What's the problem?
[21-Jun-2007 19:10:17] <|andrew_p|> rkagin: i was playing with xml-rpc, created a bunch of events and now i'd like to clear them
[21-Jun-2007 19:11:22] <rkagin> |andrew_p|: Well I had some problems making them disappear, but I was able to send a clearing event. Are you talking about the former, or latter?
[21-Jun-2007 19:12:15] <|andrew_p|> rkagin: sorry? i need a clearing event
[21-Jun-2007 19:12:34] <|andrew_p|> maybe setting severity to 0 will help.. trying
[21-Jun-2007 19:13:24] <rkagin> |andrew_p|: Sorry, I should have suggested that earlier. That's what I did, and it seemed to work.
[21-Jun-2007 19:13:36] <|andrew_p|> rkagin: ok, great!
[21-Jun-2007 19:13:50] <rkagin> |andrew_p|: And it worked?
[21-Jun-2007 19:14:22] <|andrew_p|> rkagin: yes
[21-Jun-2007 19:14:43] <rkagin> |andrew_p|: Most of the information regarding the variables can be seen in the howto section: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/send-events/
[21-Jun-2007 19:14:43] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[21-Jun-2007 19:14:48] <|andrew_p|> rkagin: yep, great link
[21-Jun-2007 19:15:02] <rkagin> |andrew_p|: No problem - and now I'm done with work.
[21-Jun-2007 19:15:11] <rkagin> I'm out for now.
[21-Jun-2007 19:15:15] <|andrew_p|> (stupid isp cycled screwed up my connection while i was playing with xml-rpc)
[21-Jun-2007 19:15:21] <|andrew_p|> rkagin: have a nice day
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[21-Jun-2007 19:46:07] <MNSain> I suspect that there's still something left over from 1.1.1. I'm thinking that I'm just going to have to remove the whole thing and reload it from scratch.
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[21-Jun-2007 20:38:24] <MNSain> For the sake of the log, wiping out my attempt to upgrade zenoss and reloading 2.0.0 from scratch worked fine.
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[21-Jun-2007 21:23:42] <illsci> hey whats up
[21-Jun-2007 21:24:08] <illsci> does zenoss support different displays based on users...
[21-Jun-2007 21:24:28] <illsci> like can you restrict the view based on user
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[21-Jun-2007 21:29:09] <MNSain> I believe you can accomplish that with Roles, but I've never done it.
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[21-Jun-2007 21:36:54] <djhabeeb> anyone know what would cause zenstatus process to keep going down?
[21-Jun-2007 21:37:08] <djhabeeb> everytime i start it back up it just dies again shortly after
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[22-Jun-2007 07:26:18] <stennie> howdy .. anyone around who can offer tips on getting zenoss installed on os x 10.4 (intel) ?
[22-Jun-2007 07:27:14] <stennie> all bar 3 of the zenoss processes start up for me : zenmodeler, zenperfsnmp, and zenprocess being the exceptions
[22-Jun-2007 07:29:25] <stennie> fwiw, all 3 problem processes die when you try to start them with a rather cryptic "MacOS.Error: (-5551, 'undefined selector was passed to Gestalt')"
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[22-Jun-2007 09:05:13] <Bulwinkle> can anyone tell me how easy it will be to move a configuration running on one system (development) to another (production)?
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[22-Jun-2007 10:05:47] <moredakka> Awww....where have all to devs gone lately?
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[22-Jun-2007 10:13:28] <Robbadub> hey quux
[22-Jun-2007 10:13:32] <Robbadub> Hello
[22-Jun-2007 10:13:41] <Robbadub> r you from NL?
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[22-Jun-2007 10:41:32] <tty01> anyone know why after doing zenmib run MIBFILE i still cant snmpwalk it
[22-Jun-2007 10:41:43] <tty01> snmpwalk the device i mean
[22-Jun-2007 10:42:03] <creiht> tty01: That shouldn't have anything to do with zenmib
[22-Jun-2007 10:42:13] <creiht> Check that you are using the correct snmp community string
[22-Jun-2007 10:42:18] <tty01> strings right
[22-Jun-2007 10:42:22] <creiht> and that the device is allowing snmp connections from your server
[22-Jun-2007 10:42:31] <tty01> its loaded on a older zenoss box
[22-Jun-2007 10:42:36] <tty01> and i can walk it
[22-Jun-2007 10:42:48] <tty01> i copied over the same MIB file to the newer zenoss box
[22-Jun-2007 10:43:09] <creiht> are you talkinga bout an snmpwalk from the command line?
[22-Jun-2007 10:43:29] <tty01> well if i cant walk it, then zenoss wont be able to discover it either
[22-Jun-2007 10:43:50] <tty01> am i doing it wrong to load it into the box?
[22-Jun-2007 10:44:15] <creiht> As far as I understand, doing a basic snmpwalk doesn't need any mibs loaded
[22-Jun-2007 10:44:26] <tty01> community string is definitely right
[22-Jun-2007 10:44:44] <creiht> is the device a server, or some type of networking device?
[22-Jun-2007 10:44:53] <tty01> network device
[22-Jun-2007 10:45:03] <tty01> one of our main routers
[22-Jun-2007 10:45:12] <creiht> Did you have access to look at its configs?
[22-Jun-2007 10:45:22] <tty01> that i dont =\
[22-Jun-2007 10:45:31] <creiht> doh
[22-Jun-2007 10:45:39] <tty01> actually i think i do
[22-Jun-2007 10:45:58] <creiht> If you can, check the snmp config to make sure it allows your zenoss ip to access snmp
[22-Jun-2007 10:46:01] <creiht> my guess is it limits it to a select number of ips
[22-Jun-2007 10:46:08] <creiht> most places do this for security reasons
[22-Jun-2007 10:46:46] <tty01> ah ok i see it now
[22-Jun-2007 10:46:54] <tty01> it was sending traps to only the older zenoss box
[22-Jun-2007 10:47:25] <creiht> ok
[22-Jun-2007 10:47:34] <creiht> and for traps you will need the mibs loaded
[22-Jun-2007 10:47:39] <creiht> to correctly identify thme
[22-Jun-2007 10:48:02] <creiht> there are two pieces of snmp though
[22-Jun-2007 10:48:06] <tty01> yeah i thought the mib had to be loaded, even for a walk
[22-Jun-2007 10:48:12] <creiht> nah
[22-Jun-2007 10:48:25] <creiht> the mibs are only used when zenoss receives a trap
[22-Jun-2007 10:48:44] <creiht> At least as far as I understand
[22-Jun-2007 10:49:00] <tty01> works now
[22-Jun-2007 10:49:00] <creiht> cool
[22-Jun-2007 10:49:00] <tty01> thank you sir!
[22-Jun-2007 10:49:29] <tty01> anyway for me to add device and specify the ip for it?
[22-Jun-2007 10:50:01] <creiht> yeah
[22-Jun-2007 10:50:07] <creiht> Open up the web ui
[22-Jun-2007 10:50:26] <tty01> k
[22-Jun-2007 10:50:26] <creiht> and in the menu on the left, there should be an add device option
[22-Jun-2007 10:50:27] <tty01> yeah im there now
[22-Jun-2007 10:50:49] <creiht> put the ip in of the device, choose where you want in the device heirarchy, the community string, and any other options you want
[22-Jun-2007 10:51:01] <creiht> And then click the button
[22-Jun-2007 10:52:26] <tty01> what if i want to specify it by name instead of ip?....zenoss wont add it since its not a actual entry in dns
[22-Jun-2007 10:52:56] <tty01> discovery protocol is already set to none
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[22-Jun-2007 10:59:33] <tty01> ah never mind i figured it out....thanks creiht
[22-Jun-2007 11:03:01] <moredakka> creiht, you said you haven't used zenwin before right?
[22-Jun-2007 11:07:55] <Bulwinkle> can anyone tell me how easy it will be to move a configuration running on one system (development) to another (production)?
[22-Jun-2007 11:08:23] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: do you have questions with zenwin? I have it running quite nicely
[22-Jun-2007 11:15:22] <moredakka> yeah, I'm just not sure on how it acutally works. Does zenwin have to be installed on all the windows devices that are being monitored or does it get installed on another "zenoss server" that has an instance of windows then the main zenoss box polls from that one windows box?
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[22-Jun-2007 11:27:11] <moredakka> omg I %100 wish there was a dev around...
[22-Jun-2007 11:29:53] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: zenoss now uses SAMBA to poll windows. You don't need to install daemons on the windows servers any longer.
[22-Jun-2007 11:35:16] <creiht> moredakka: As far as I know is that it talks directly through WMI, so you just have ZenWin installed on a zenoss box which polls WMI on the windows servers. I believe that it does require a user on the box with certain rights to be able to read the WMI
[22-Jun-2007 11:37:57] <Bulwinkle> creiht: definitely... You provide the administrator (local to server) account to zenoss and it polls the server through WMI.... It has worked flawlessly so far.
[22-Jun-2007 11:41:24] <moredakka> Ok but currently I'm using 1.1.1, the zenwin deamon would ahve to be installed on those servers to get all the OIDs to respond properly?
[22-Jun-2007 11:41:54] <moredakka> The problem right now is, we don't have access to install extra agents and the company that we do monitoring for will not allow it.
[22-Jun-2007 11:41:56] <creiht> moredakka:
[22-Jun-2007 11:41:57] <creiht> err
[22-Jun-2007 11:41:59] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 11:42:00] <creiht> no
[22-Jun-2007 11:42:29] <creiht> on the old version you have to have ZenWin running on one windows machine that would then poll the other servers
[22-Jun-2007 11:43:03] <moredakka> Zenoss isn't reporting cpu usage and a couple other things on the windows boxes unless there is an agent or something like that installed on the windows machine
[22-Jun-2007 11:43:04] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: I'd highly recommend upgrading... there are step-by-step instructions on www.zenoss.com
[22-Jun-2007 11:43:12] <creiht> I'm not sure if the rest of the Zenoss has to be running on the windows box
[22-Jun-2007 11:43:25] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: the snmp extender does have to be installed... Its not an agent though.
[22-Jun-2007 11:44:01] <moredakka> I just can't remember the name...starts with an 'i'... :-/
[22-Jun-2007 11:44:22] <creiht> snmp-informant
[22-Jun-2007 11:44:26] <moredakka> Ahhhhhhhh
[22-Jun-2007 11:44:27] <moredakka> yes
[22-Jun-2007 11:44:48] <moredakka> without that installed zenoss wasn't reporting properly all the cpu usage and memory pages...etc....
[22-Jun-2007 11:45:08] <moredakka> but if I either upgraded to 2.0 or used zenwin that will fix the issue?
[22-Jun-2007 11:45:25] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: yeah... had that same problem... snmp-informant still needs to be installed with 2.0.0
[22-Jun-2007 11:45:35] <moredakka> boooo
[22-Jun-2007 11:45:40] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: but you don't need to install zenwin on individual boxes...
[22-Jun-2007 11:45:49] <moredakka> why doesn't zenoss read those oids properly?
[22-Jun-2007 11:46:10] <moredakka> Solarwind's product reads those oids right outta the box and nothing needs to get installed on the devices
[22-Jun-2007 11:46:36] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: *SHRUG*.... post something on the forum, maybe someone will answer
[22-Jun-2007 11:47:02] <creiht> moredakka: Windows doesn't expose the OIDS on its own
[22-Jun-2007 11:47:09] <creiht> That's why you have to install SNMP Informant
[22-Jun-2007 11:47:21] <moredakka> just to get off topic a little bit, with the monitors, the default one being localhost. How does zenoss know where that information is coming from?
[22-Jun-2007 11:47:21] <creiht> To expose the CPU and memory info
[22-Jun-2007 11:47:48] <moredakka> It just doesn't make sense that one product reads the not exposed oids properly and another doesn't unless you install the snmp-informant
[22-Jun-2007 11:48:13] <creiht> moredakka: It is probably getting it through another method
[22-Jun-2007 11:48:24] <moredakka> weird.
[22-Jun-2007 11:48:32] <creiht> Bulwinkle: I thought ZenWin allowed you to get CPU and Mem info?
[22-Jun-2007 11:48:38] <moredakka> well, I'll put that one on the back burner for a bit.
[22-Jun-2007 11:49:11] <creiht> moredakka: Well see that is what I was thinking, was that they were using the WMI, and that's why I thought that ZenWin would give you what you want
[22-Jun-2007 11:49:14] <Bulwinkle> creiht: I think it does... it will still flag SNMP errors if snmp informant is installed
[22-Jun-2007 11:49:16] <creiht> without having to install stuff
[22-Jun-2007 11:49:25] <Bulwinkle> creiht: (isn't installed)
[22-Jun-2007 11:49:32] <creiht> Bulwinkle: And that is fine
[22-Jun-2007 11:49:38] <creiht> You can modify the template
[22-Jun-2007 11:49:54] <creiht> to not try to pull the info through snmp
[22-Jun-2007 11:50:03] <creiht> But it should still be able to get it through WMI
[22-Jun-2007 11:50:38] <moredakka> So when zenoss uses zenwin it sends a request to the zenwin box which connects to the device?
[22-Jun-2007 11:50:41] <Bulwinkle> creiht: nid
[22-Jun-2007 11:50:57] <creiht> moredakka: Check out: http://www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg06648.html//www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg06648.html
[22-Jun-2007 11:50:57] <adytum-bot> Title: Re: [zenoss-users] Understanding ZenOSS 2.0 and ZenWin (at www.mail-archive.com)
[22-Jun-2007 11:50:57] <Bulwinkle> creiht: NOD
[22-Jun-2007 11:51:18] <creiht> moredakka: I believe Zenwin actively monitors WMI on the servers, and records information directly to ZenOSS
[22-Jun-2007 11:51:42] <moredakka> bah
[22-Jun-2007 11:51:48] <creiht> ?
[22-Jun-2007 11:51:51] <moredakka> if it works that way it won't work for me.
[22-Jun-2007 11:51:57] <creiht> Why is that?
[22-Jun-2007 11:52:11] <moredakka> I've got one box which is the only box that is allowed to access the customer's network via VPN.
[22-Jun-2007 11:52:41] <moredakka> unless the windows box can go through the other box via ssh or something like that it won't be able to see the machines we need to monitor.
[22-Jun-2007 11:52:52] <creiht> Is there a reason why you can't use Zenoss 2.0?
[22-Jun-2007 11:53:03] <creiht> Since ZenWin for 2.0 runs on the linux zenoss box
[22-Jun-2007 11:53:07] <moredakka> This might be a big reason to upgrade.
[22-Jun-2007 11:53:31] <moredakka> but there are sooo many problems with it still....it bothers me seeing all the posts about things that are going wrong with it.
[22-Jun-2007 11:54:16] <creiht> moredakka: I've been using it here for over a year without major problems
[22-Jun-2007 11:54:28] <creiht> Going through probably 4-5 upgrades in the process
[22-Jun-2007 11:54:37] <creiht> It has worked very well for us
[22-Jun-2007 11:54:43] <Bulwinkle> moredakka: I've been running it since 1.9.5 (beta 1) without any problems (besides me being an idiot)
[22-Jun-2007 11:54:45] <creiht> It does require some configuration
[22-Jun-2007 11:55:33] <creiht> moredakka: It would be interesting to see if you have the same problems with v2.0
[22-Jun-2007 11:55:40] <creiht> for the ZenPing stuff
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[22-Jun-2007 11:58:23] <moredakka> Yeah. I'm playing with the monitors to see if I can fix it or break it more.... :-/
[22-Jun-2007 11:59:00] <moredakka> So the trial software we are using for solarwinds is polling the snmp information and not wmi information. wmi extentions are not enabled on these servers so that isn't an option.
[22-Jun-2007 11:59:27] <moredakka> I'll just have to find the oid that zenoss isn't polling and build a custom mib or something to get zenoss to read those processes properly.
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[22-Jun-2007 11:59:41] <moredakka> just to get off topic a little bit, with the monitors, the default one being localhost. How does zenoss know where that information is coming from?
[22-Jun-2007 12:01:38] <creiht> moredakka: That is just what they call it
[22-Jun-2007 12:02:21] <creiht> zenoss gets a list of devices it needs to poll
[22-Jun-2007 12:02:29] <creiht> then itterates through that list polling each one
[22-Jun-2007 12:02:50] <creiht> so it knows what it is polling since it is actively polling each device
[22-Jun-2007 12:02:55] <creiht> but back to the Solar Winds thing
[22-Jun-2007 12:02:59] <creiht> right now
[22-Jun-2007 12:03:11] <creiht> Do you have Zenoss and SolarWinds monitoring the same devices?
[22-Jun-2007 12:04:01] <moredakka> My boss put solarwinds on his computer (trial) and we have a /2 dedicated box for zenoss
[22-Jun-2007 12:04:12] <creiht> right
[22-Jun-2007 12:04:18] <moredakka> 1/2 dedicated
[22-Jun-2007 12:04:25] <creiht> are they polling the same devices though?
[22-Jun-2007 12:04:29] <moredakka> yes
[22-Jun-2007 12:04:56] <creiht> do you see the CPU and memory graphs in both zenoss and Solar Winds or just in Solar Winds?
[22-Jun-2007 12:07:56] <Bulwinkle> creiht: is there a command line way to add devices by IP and automatically insert them in to a Group and System?
[22-Jun-2007 12:07:57] <moredakka> We see it on SolarWinds but not in Zenoss. Zenoss generates events:
[22-Jun-2007 12:07:58] <moredakka> Error reading value for "memoryPagesPerSec" on device1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.10.0 is bad)
[22-Jun-2007 12:07:58] <moredakka> Error reading value for "memoryAvailableKBytes" on device1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.2.0 is bad)
[22-Jun-2007 12:07:58] <moredakka> Error reading value for "cpuPercentProcessorTime" on device1 (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.5.1.5.6.95.84.111.116.97.108 is bad)
[22-Jun-2007 12:08:18] <creiht> Then I can guarantee you that it is not getting the info through snmp
[22-Jun-2007 12:08:31] <creiht> MS doesn't expose that information through snmp
[22-Jun-2007 12:10:10] <moredakka> how else could solar winds get that if it's not snmp or wmi?
[22-Jun-2007 12:10:18] <creiht> good question
[22-Jun-2007 12:10:19] <creiht> magic?
[22-Jun-2007 12:10:20] <creiht>
[22-Jun-2007 12:10:23] <creiht> I dunno
[22-Jun-2007 12:10:35] <moredakka> magic...haha
[22-Jun-2007 12:10:41] <creiht> I do know from experiece though that MS does not expose CPU info through snmp
[22-Jun-2007 12:11:10] <creiht> After reading too many MS knoledgebase articles, I finally found SNMP Informant
[22-Jun-2007 12:11:31] <solarce> creiht: any chance you can use the dell openmanage stuff to expose such stats, and not mess with snmp-informant?
[22-Jun-2007 12:11:48] <creiht> Quite possible
[22-Jun-2007 12:11:53] <solarce>
[22-Jun-2007 12:12:05] <solarce> I'll have to mess with that this weekend
[22-Jun-2007 12:12:33] <solarce> among the million other things to do, like learn how to setup squid :/
[22-Jun-2007 12:12:46] <moredakka> well back to my monitor question though, if I delete the 'localhost' monitor and add it back in then put the devices back into it will it start checking those devices again?
[22-Jun-2007 12:13:20] <solarce> yes/no/maybe?
[22-Jun-2007 12:13:30] <moredakka> haha
[22-Jun-2007 12:13:44] <moredakka> I'm hoping for a 1/0/0
[22-Jun-2007 12:13:47] <creiht> I've been wanting to do that so that we can monitor the RAIDS
[22-Jun-2007 12:13:53] <moredakka> not 0/1/0 or 0/0/1
[22-Jun-2007 12:14:02] <solarce> Bulwinkle: it's better to work out a scheme for using the xmlrpc interface
[22-Jun-2007 12:14:18] <solarce> I have an idea to use nmap and perl glue for autodiscovery
[22-Jun-2007 12:14:29] <creiht> moredakka: I don't think that would be a good idea
[22-Jun-2007 12:14:52] <moredakka> bah :-/ I'm trying anything to fix this zenping issue :-/
[22-Jun-2007 12:15:01] <creiht> If you want to try something like that
[22-Jun-2007 12:15:17] <creiht> you could just create a new monitor, and then tell your devices to use it
[22-Jun-2007 12:15:20] <solarce> bbl, rotating backup tapes
[22-Jun-2007 12:15:37] <moredakka> creiht: I've tried that but zenping doesn't ping those devices anymore.
[22-Jun-2007 12:16:17] <creiht> I think that is one of those pieces you normally don't need to mess with
[22-Jun-2007 12:16:28] <creiht> at this point I would recommend trying to remove it and reinstall
[22-Jun-2007 12:16:34] <creiht> and preferably v2.0
[22-Jun-2007 12:16:44] <moredakka> haha
[22-Jun-2007 12:17:45] <moredakka> The reason we haven't done that yet is how do we know that this problem doesn't exist in 2.0 and no one has addressed it and it will just happen to us again?
[22-Jun-2007 12:18:42] <creiht> You will not find out unless you try?
[22-Jun-2007 12:18:52] <creiht> Plus you have at least a chance that it might be fixes
[22-Jun-2007 12:18:55] <creiht> err fixed
[22-Jun-2007 12:19:06] <creiht> Worst case scenario you are in no worse a place
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[22-Jun-2007 12:20:21] <moredakka> heh unless I break the whole thing :-/
[22-Jun-2007 12:23:42] <solarce> how much time have you spent on this already? surely you can just pay to get some help?
[22-Jun-2007 12:25:31] <moredakka> Heh I checked into that... it's $3000 for a 50 device licence... :-/ And that's just for 24 hour email turnaround support :-/
[22-Jun-2007 12:25:45] <solarce> don't they have per incident support?
[22-Jun-2007 12:25:50] <solarce> I hadn't looked
[22-Jun-2007 12:26:46] <moredakka> Not sure, that's just what the email from the sales department said
[22-Jun-2007 12:28:04] <solarce> goodness, it's a tad more pricey than I would expect, but still, what's openview or other such packages cost
[22-Jun-2007 12:29:19] <Bulwinkle> solarce: I'm using the wget to do some testing
[22-Jun-2007 12:29:50] <Bulwinkle> For some reason ZenOSS isn't using all of my zSnmpCommunities when I do a wget 'blahblah'
[22-Jun-2007 12:37:02] <moredakka> Well I might have found the problem on the zenping issue I've been having for soo long :-/
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[22-Jun-2007 12:38:33] <creiht> moredakka: Oh yeah? What did you find?
[22-Jun-2007 12:38:54] <moredakka> Some of the devices that we have in the field sometimes don't respond quickly to pings so I set the response time in the localhost monitor to 700....but I was never sure if that was ms or sec...I think it's sec....
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:11] <moredakka> so the device would take an extremely long time to time out.
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:20] <creiht> ahh
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:21] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:25] <creiht> yeah that would probably do it
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:27] <moredakka> but it's weird that my test devices weren't having the same problem.
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:31] <moredakka> is it sec or ms?
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:38] <creiht> good question
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:45] <creiht> let me look at what I have them set to
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:46] <solarce> it should be epoch time like our apps use! :>
[22-Jun-2007 12:39:54] <creiht> hehe
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[22-Jun-2007 12:40:35] <moredakka> cause the default is 1.5
[22-Jun-2007 12:40:44] <moredakka> I set it to 50 and it breaks.
[22-Jun-2007 12:41:34] <creiht> I bet it is seconds then
[22-Jun-2007 12:43:37] <bapril> Anyone have a recipe to Poll n OIDs (one for each port) and graph the number of ports in a given state? (Trying to graph ports in use on an ATA)
[22-Jun-2007 12:43:41] <moredakka> Wow...need some labeling in there then. cycle interval is in sec, configuration reload is in minutes.....
[22-Jun-2007 12:45:17] <moredakka> Yeah it's totally in seconds. Watching the debug (I have it set to 7) and it took 7 seconds to time out.
[22-Jun-2007 12:45:45] <moredakka> It's still messed up that my local test machine in the same monitor as all the others was timing out no problem when I brought it offline...
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[22-Jun-2007 13:07:52] <moredakka> anyone here use splunk?
[22-Jun-2007 13:08:25] <moredakka> w/zenoss
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[22-Jun-2007 13:52:14] <bapril> when working with perf are COMMAND entries run locally or on the monitored device?
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[22-Jun-2007 13:57:01] <bmbr> im attempting to upgrade to zen2, but the install script is throwing an error waaaay down near the end at libsmi.. the build log simply says:
[22-Jun-2007 13:57:03] <bmbr> /bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
[22-Jun-2007 13:57:12] <bmbr> /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[22-Jun-2007 13:57:20] <bmbr> ich bin confused!
[22-Jun-2007 13:58:03] <bmbr> (i can compile libsmi ok by hand from the subdir)
[22-Jun-2007 14:04:14] <creiht> moredakka: I use splunk, but haven't actually tried hooking the two together
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[22-Jun-2007 14:18:04] <MNSain> I think I may have a permissions or a path problem in zenperfsnmp.
[22-Jun-2007 14:18:13] <MNSain> I get these error messages in the log:
[22-Jun-2007 14:18:15] <MNSain> ERROR zen.zenperfsnmp: [Failure instance: Traceback: exceptions.ImportError: librrd.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22-Jun-2007 14:21:00] <MNSain> I know that the file exists, but I don't know where to go next. Anyone have any ideas?
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[22-Jun-2007 15:25:00] <moredakka> anyone know if 2.0 has multi-level alerting or re-alerting (if something hasn't been fixed within an hour it alerts every hour)?
[22-Jun-2007 15:26:19] <MNSain> moredakka: I don't know for certain. Many of the people on the list are afk. Something about day jobs. :-P
[22-Jun-2007 15:26:45] <creiht> hah!
[22-Jun-2007 15:26:47] <creiht>
[22-Jun-2007 15:27:14] <creiht> MNSain: Just to let you know we are listening
[22-Jun-2007 15:27:30] <creiht> There are some questionst that I have no idea
[22-Jun-2007 15:27:39] <MNSain> creiht: LOL! I didn't doubt it.
[22-Jun-2007 15:27:54] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 15:28:15] <moredakka> creiht: do you know the answer to my question?
[22-Jun-2007 15:28:23] <creiht> moredakka: No... sorry
[22-Jun-2007 15:28:26] <moredakka>
[22-Jun-2007 15:28:34] <creiht> I still haven't installed 2.0
[22-Jun-2007 15:28:36] <creiht> yet
[22-Jun-2007 15:28:57] <MNSain> moredakka: I'm finishing up a few small problems with my 2.0 installation, and then I'll be in a position to tell you. :-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:29:15] <moredakka> :-D
[22-Jun-2007 15:29:16] <moredakka> yay
[22-Jun-2007 15:29:30] <moredakka> I'm happy with zenoss again now that zenping is all working again
[22-Jun-2007 15:29:40] <creiht> moredakka: good!
[22-Jun-2007 15:29:41] <MNSain> mredakka: Are you running an earlier version of Zenoss?
[22-Jun-2007 15:29:47] <moredakka> 1.1.1
[22-Jun-2007 15:30:08] <moredakka> I'll upgrade to 2.0 eventually
[22-Jun-2007 15:30:21] <moredakka> It's not really up to me, I'm just here to deal with the stupid problems.
[22-Jun-2007 15:30:46] <MNSain> moredakka: FYI: I had VERY bad luck upgrading to 2.0 from 1.1.1. Had to pretty much wipe and reload.
[22-Jun-2007 15:31:41] <moredakka> creiht: with the snmp polling from windows thing we were talking about earlier, I double checked with my boss and he verifies that wmi is off on those windows servers so solarwinds must be grabbing it from somewhere...a hidden oid?
[22-Jun-2007 15:32:00] <creiht> hmm
[22-Jun-2007 15:32:07] <moredakka> MNSain: thnx, it probably will be a clean install at a later time.
[22-Jun-2007 15:32:13] <creiht> good question
[22-Jun-2007 15:32:17] <creiht> I have no idea
[22-Jun-2007 15:32:36] <moredakka> where can I get a list of win2k server and win2k3 server mibs?
[22-Jun-2007 15:33:25] <MNSain> moredakka: Good plan. The only thing I have left to do is to figure out why Zenoss is giving me a heartbeat event on two processes that I'm not even using. Then I'll be ready to attempt notifications.
[22-Jun-2007 15:33:48] <creiht> MNSain: Try clearing the heartbeats
[22-Jun-2007 15:33:59] <creiht> If you are not running the procs
[22-Jun-2007 15:34:02] <creiht> they shouldn't come back
[22-Jun-2007 15:34:33] <moredakka> Yay and since I fixed that 700sec ping error I don't get zenping heartbeat errors anymore.
[22-Jun-2007 15:34:40] <MNSain> creiht: You mean move them to History?
[22-Jun-2007 15:34:41] <moredakka> (speaking of heartbeat errors)
[22-Jun-2007 15:34:55] <moredakka> clear the heartbeats in the event manager
[22-Jun-2007 15:35:59] <moredakka> do either of you know where can I get a list of win2k server and win2k3 server mibs?
[22-Jun-2007 15:37:45] <MNSain> creiht: I'm not sure where to clear them from. They changed the interface in 2.0.0. I don't dislike it... it's just... different. ;-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:37:54] <creiht> oh
[22-Jun-2007 15:37:55] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 15:38:02] <creiht> yeah.. sorry.. I'm not sure where in 2.0
[22-Jun-2007 15:38:14] <moredakka> haha...oops, forgot you were in 2.0 ;-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:38:17] <MNSain> creiht: That makes two of us. ;-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:38:24] <moredakka> three?
[22-Jun-2007 15:38:41] <MNSain> Moredakka: My bad. Three. :-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:43:16] <MNSain> Moredakka: Which platform are you going to run 2.0 on?
[22-Jun-2007 15:45:18] <moredakka> probably FC5 or CentOS5
[22-Jun-2007 15:45:26] <moredakka> depends on what my boss says.
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[22-Jun-2007 15:46:43] <MNSain> moredakka: I'm running 2.0 on Centos 4.4 and I wanted to give you a heads up... You'll need to install the python-rrdtool package or you won't get any graphs and a hearbeat error on zenperfsnmp.
[22-Jun-2007 15:47:01] <MNSain> Drove me nucking futs for two days.
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[22-Jun-2007 15:48:48] <zombor> does zen provide alerts when services go down?
[22-Jun-2007 15:49:11] <zombor> *email alerts
[22-Jun-2007 15:50:34] <creiht> zombor: yes
[22-Jun-2007 15:50:50] <MNSain> zombor: 1.1.1 did. I'm working on 2.0.0 at the moment. I'll let you know in a bit. :-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:51:04] <zombor> im using 2.0.0
[22-Jun-2007 15:51:18] <MNSain> K. Are you having trouble with it?
[22-Jun-2007 15:51:33] <creiht> 2.0 does as well
[22-Jun-2007 15:51:44] <creiht> That is a core functionality... I doubt they would get rid of it
[22-Jun-2007 15:51:59] <zombor> well, im not sure I know how to set alerts up
[22-Jun-2007 15:52:14] <creiht> zombor: First you add users
[22-Jun-2007 15:52:20] <zaf> what os is the vmware appliance running?
[22-Jun-2007 15:52:21] <MNSain> creiht: I'm sure you're right, but I didn't want to say for certain if I hadn't actually set it up, yet. ;-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:52:23] <creiht> Then for each user you can create alerting rules
[22-Jun-2007 15:52:25] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 15:52:39] <zombor> im tryying to go to "Services" then "add service" dropdown, but all i get is a spinning loading window
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:03] <creiht> to add alerting rules?
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:24] <zombor> well, thats not how i do it aparently, but yes, i was
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:31] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:33] <creiht> no problem
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:44] <creiht> In the main menu
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:50] <zombor> many things from the dropdowns just give me spinning loading windows though
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:54] <creiht> do you see a thing called Users?
[22-Jun-2007 15:53:57] <creiht> hmm
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:03] <zombor> i see no users link
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:13] <MNSain> Creiht: They moved it.
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:18] <creiht> ahh
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:23] <creiht> Well once you find users
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:24] <creiht>
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:33] <MNSain> Zombor: It'll be under Settings. There's a tab for it.
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:34] <creiht> click on a user
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:41] <creiht> ahh
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:52] <zombor> there it is
[22-Jun-2007 15:54:55] <creiht> The user will have an Alerting Rules tab
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:02] <creiht> if they haven't changed that either
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:06] <zombor> shouldnt i see the admin user there?
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:27] <creiht> I thought so
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:28] <MNSain> The tab for Alerting rules, but I dunno if they've messed with it or not. ;-)
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:33] <zombor> but i click the dropdown -> add user and i get a spinning loading window
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:34] <MNSain> Nope. Not in 2.0.0.
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:43] <creiht> zombor: What broser?
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:46] <creiht> err browser?
[22-Jun-2007 15:55:48] <zombor> firefox 2
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:01] <creiht> Do you have JS enabled?
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:05] <zombor> yes =)
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:07] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:17] <MNSain> I'm running Firefox 1.5 and it works.
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:22] <creiht> Sorry... Wish I could help more.. I haven't played with 2.0 yet
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:23] <creiht>
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:29] <MNSain> Try Internet Expunger.
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:30] <creiht> Guess I'm going to have to install it soon
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:32] <zombor> maybe ill try ie 6
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:35] <creiht> heh
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:41] <creiht> I heard it is much worse in IE
[22-Jun-2007 15:56:46] <creiht> They target Firefox
[22-Jun-2007 15:57:10] <zombor> is it using some sort of JS lib for ajax or something?
[22-Jun-2007 15:57:11] <creiht> zombor: Do you have any of the web developer plugins installed in FF?
[22-Jun-2007 15:57:14] <creiht> yeah
[22-Jun-2007 15:57:24] <creiht> To see if it is throwing a JS error
[22-Jun-2007 15:57:33] <zombor> creiht: yes, i have the web developer add on
[22-Jun-2007 15:57:53] <zombor> Warning: Expected declaration but found '{'. Skipped to next declaration.
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:15] <zombor> Source File: http://debian.imagemanagement.com/zport/dmd/ZenUsers/manageUserFolder
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:15] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss Login (at debian.imagemanagement.com)
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:15] <zombor> Line: 0
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:18] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:27] <creiht> Did you know that was on a public interface?
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:28] <creiht>
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:35] <zombor> yes
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:35] <MNSain> LOL!
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:40] <creiht> Sounds like some type of JS problem
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:46] <creiht> not sure what is causing it though
[22-Jun-2007 15:58:59] <zombor> =( i'd sure like to dump nagios
[22-Jun-2007 15:59:05] <MNSain> Zombor: Did you try it in IE?
[22-Jun-2007 15:59:17] <zombor> MNSain: yea, its totaly unusable in IE 6
[22-Jun-2007 15:59:22] <MNSain> Zombor: Yeah, I know the feeling.
[22-Jun-2007 15:59:48] <zombor> let me try safari
[22-Jun-2007 16:00:10] <MNSain> IE 7's no good, either.
[22-Jun-2007 16:00:46] <zombor> no go on safari too
[22-Jun-2007 16:01:17] <zombor> isnt 2.0 an official release?
[22-Jun-2007 16:01:29] <MNSain> Zombor: Yes, it is.
[22-Jun-2007 16:01:38] <zombor> so shouldnt it work?
[22-Jun-2007 16:01:52] <MNSain> Yes, that is the theory. ;-)
[22-Jun-2007 16:02:13] <zombor> seems like an obvious flaw
[22-Jun-2007 16:02:17] <zombor> unless its just me
[22-Jun-2007 16:02:35] <MNSain> I don't have Firefox 2 installed here. I'd have to check it at home and get back to you.
[22-Jun-2007 16:03:17] <MNSain> It seems really silly to upgrade my browser here and potentially break my ability to use Zenoss. :-P
[22-Jun-2007 16:04:32] <creiht> zombor: On the zenoss site they say that they are mainly onlys supporting FF at the moment
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:00] <creiht> They hope to support other browsers in the future
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:08] <MNSain> creiht: Right. And I know my copy of 1.5 works
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:21] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:26] <zombor> i just tried 1.5 and it didnt work either
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:31] <zombor> on a different computer
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:40] <MNSain> Hrrmmmm...
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:46] <MNSain> Something sounds broken.
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:55] <zombor> or should i be waiting longer than a minute?
[22-Jun-2007 16:05:57] <MNSain> I mean, with your install.
[22-Jun-2007 16:06:08] <MNSain> No. Mine is very responsive.
[22-Jun-2007 16:07:01] <zombor> how might i debug this?
[22-Jun-2007 16:07:29] <creiht> zombor: Install firebug
[22-Jun-2007 16:07:30] <creiht>
[22-Jun-2007 16:07:51] <zombor> creiht: i had that installed, but it made my firefox so bloated
[22-Jun-2007 16:07:56] <MNSain> Zombor: I wish I knew. I'm checking Google for a possible solution.
[22-Jun-2007 16:09:00] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 16:09:02] <creiht> true
[22-Jun-2007 16:09:15] <creiht> But it is invaluable if you are a web developer
[22-Jun-2007 16:09:30] <creiht> Do you have any other weird settings et?
[22-Jun-2007 16:09:45] <zombor> i am a web developer
[22-Jun-2007 16:09:53] <zombor> creiht: this is basically a fresh install
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:16] <MNSain> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=7135&sid=020c7f95e219d4929ee049a4841b7136
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:16] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - zenoss2 behind apache ssl (at community.zenoss.com)
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:16] <MNSain> Google is my friend.
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:23] <zombor> ah
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:23] <adytum-bot> http://www.myfriendmagazine.com/
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:23] <zombor> i am running it in front of apache
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:40] <creiht> ahh
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:47] <creiht> haha
[22-Jun-2007 16:10:54] <creiht> google 3+4
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:01] <adytum-bot> creiht: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:12] <creiht> haha
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:17] <MNSain> LOL!!
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:21] <creiht> Google Your Mom
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:28] <adytum-bot> http://yourmom.com/
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:29] <MNSain> LOL!!
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:32] <creiht> sorry couldn't resist
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:33] <MNSain> ROFLMAO!!!!
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:44] <MNSain> That's fantastic.
[22-Jun-2007 16:11:55] <creiht> google MNSain
[22-Jun-2007 16:12:02] <adytum-bot> http://www.torrentflux.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2817
[22-Jun-2007 16:12:09] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 16:12:15] <MNSain> hehehehe.
[22-Jun-2007 16:12:16] <bapril> anyone know how to do variable substitution in the Method Parameters of a XMLRPC Data Source for Performance?
[22-Jun-2007 16:12:38] <bapril> need to make one of the arguments ${devicename} and it's not getting replaced
[22-Jun-2007 16:13:06] <MNSain> bapril: Sorry, nope. Don't know the answer to that one.
[22-Jun-2007 16:13:07] <zombor> MNSain: ill try the solution in that thread
[22-Jun-2007 16:13:40] <MNSain> zombor: Cool. Good luck. Let me know if it works.
[22-Jun-2007 16:13:47] <zombor> would i have to reinstall?
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[22-Jun-2007 16:13:54] <zombor> im guessing not
[22-Jun-2007 16:14:01] <MNSain> I don't think so. It sounds like just a patch.
[22-Jun-2007 16:14:14] <creiht> google "What is the meaning of life?"
[22-Jun-2007 16:14:21] <adytum-bot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
[22-Jun-2007 16:14:30] <creiht> this is too much fun
[22-Jun-2007 16:14:40] <creiht> google "What is the meaning of life and everything?"
[22-Jun-2007 16:14:47] <adytum-bot> http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=85365
[22-Jun-2007 16:15:39] <MNSain> Hey crieht: Check this out.
[22-Jun-2007 16:15:42] <MNSain> google 42
[22-Jun-2007 16:15:51] <adytum-bot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything
[22-Jun-2007 16:15:59] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 16:16:31] <creiht> google "What is the answer to life, the unviverse, and everything?"
[22-Jun-2007 16:17:01] <creiht> hehe
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[22-Jun-2007 16:17:10] <creiht> I guess I asked a question it can't answer
[22-Jun-2007 16:17:33] <MNSain> google "What is the answer to life, the universe and everything"
[22-Jun-2007 16:17:40] <adytum-bot> http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=35935
[22-Jun-2007 16:17:40] <zombor> =(
[22-Jun-2007 16:18:08] <MNSain> Zombor: What's up?
[22-Jun-2007 16:18:20] <zombor> i did the change, but still broke
[22-Jun-2007 16:18:28] <MNSain> Damn.
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[22-Jun-2007 16:18:41] <zombor> maybe i need to restart the zenoss processes
[22-Jun-2007 16:20:10] * zombor crosses his fingers
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[22-Jun-2007 16:21:50] <creiht> google "Is anything better than zenoss?"
[22-Jun-2007 16:22:25] <creiht> I think the bot doesn't like me anymore
[22-Jun-2007 16:22:43] <zombor> maybe lots of things are and it doesnt want to tell you
[22-Jun-2007 16:22:49] <creiht> haha
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[22-Jun-2007 16:26:35] <KnckrBckr> still playing with both nagios and zenoss... i love the straightforward snmp collection of zenoss, but i am very confused about the IP service checks
[22-Jun-2007 16:27:11] <moredakka> creiht: I was reading in the chat history (google found it for me) and chet said that by default zenoss polls for the Informant snmp cpu usage while the device is in /Server/Windows/
[22-Jun-2007 16:27:43] <moredakka> So I moved it into a new group /Server/Windows-NoInformant and I'm just waiting to see if it polls the correct traffic.
[22-Jun-2007 16:29:02] <KnckrBckr> does zenoss natively have the same functionality as nagios' check_http and check_ssh service checks? For example, I have sshd running on all of my boxes, why does it not how up in the IP Services section of the OS Tab for a device?
[22-Jun-2007 16:29:12] <KnckrBckr> *show
[22-Jun-2007 16:29:20] <bmbr> has anyone had any issues using the install.sh script with CentOS5 and getting a vague error about libsmi?
[22-Jun-2007 16:29:43] <bmbr> it dies and points me to the build log, which shows an unexpected end of file
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[22-Jun-2007 16:30:06] <KnckrBckr> shows sshd running - tells me that via snmp - but I want zenoss to poll the box remotely to show me http, icmp, ssh, etc are running
[22-Jun-2007 16:30:57] <MNSain> Knckrbckr: I don't know about everyone else, but I use the processes section for that.
[22-Jun-2007 16:31:12] <moredakka> I use the nagios plugins
[22-Jun-2007 16:31:30] <KnckrBckr> i use the processes section too... but again this information is coming via snmp, right?
[22-Jun-2007 16:31:47] <KnckrBckr> not from a tcp/udp service check on the ssh port
[22-Jun-2007 16:32:08] <KnckrBckr> i actually want it to initiate a connection on 22, 80, 443
[22-Jun-2007 16:32:34] <moredakka> This is crude but it works awesome:
[22-Jun-2007 16:32:43] <moredakka> "/usr/local/zenoss/libexec/check_http -I ${dev/manageIp} -e "HTTP/1""
[22-Jun-2007 16:32:47] <KnckrBckr> just seems odd to me that zenoss doesn't have that basic function built in
[22-Jun-2007 16:33:42] <moredakka> " /usr/local/zenoss/libexec/check_tcp ${dev/manageIp} -p 23 "
[22-Jun-2007 16:33:59] <KnckrBckr> seems so rich in other areas... why not do something that whatsup and big brother have been doing for 10yrs
[22-Jun-2007 16:34:15] <moredakka> put those into a Class and it checks them ;-)
[22-Jun-2007 16:34:26] <KnckrBckr> place them in each device?
[22-Jun-2007 16:34:30] <moredakka> Nope
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[22-Jun-2007 16:34:31] <KnckrBckr> or general class
[22-Jun-2007 16:35:12] <moredakka> I have a class /Devices/Custom Monitoring/http-telnet/ and I have the devices that I need to monitor http and telnet under that class
[22-Jun-2007 16:35:21] <KnckrBckr> i see
[22-Jun-2007 16:35:37] <moredakka> I'm not sure if it works in 2.0, I'm running 1.1.1
[22-Jun-2007 16:35:57] <KnckrBckr> so you don't use the class definition as it was originally intended.. more of an asset tree
[22-Jun-2007 16:36:10] <KnckrBckr> use customize for each type of check
[22-Jun-2007 16:36:31] <zombor> MNSain: hooray restarting the deamons works
[22-Jun-2007 16:36:39] <moredakka> I have to move it out of the (eg /Device/Windows) class and put it in the custom monitoring class.
[22-Jun-2007 16:36:39] <MNSain> zombor: AWESOME.
[22-Jun-2007 16:37:10] <KnckrBckr> also, downloading 2.0 now... any improvements to this service check functionality?
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[22-Jun-2007 16:37:40] <KnckrBckr> just seems like i should have to hack this system to get a simple check_http-like check to occur
[22-Jun-2007 16:37:48] <KnckrBckr> shouldn't*
[22-Jun-2007 16:38:35] <MNSain> Knckbckr: It's not really a hack. The documentation specifies to do it that way.
[22-Jun-2007 16:39:04] <MNSain> See, I suspect that they didn't want to reinvent the wheel. Nagios checks work. Why rewrite them?
[22-Jun-2007 16:39:30] <KnckrBckr> i understand that.. but why not just integrate it right in?
[22-Jun-2007 16:39:50] <MNSain> Your guess is as good as mine, man.
[22-Jun-2007 16:39:52] <moredakka> Nagios handles the checks a lot better.
[22-Jun-2007 16:40:25] <moredakka> It should pretty much be a point, select and click type of operation.
[22-Jun-2007 16:40:57] <KnckrBckr> i suppose so... but is it really the best policy to break the "asset tree" classification and break the devices down based on what type of check you want?
[22-Jun-2007 16:40:58] <MNSain> I agree. Now if we can get the developers to see things our way, we'll be all set.
[22-Jun-2007 16:41:18] <KnckrBckr> also, what if i want to check ssh, http, iax, sip all on the same box?
[22-Jun-2007 16:41:59] <moredakka> With zenoss you'll have to create a class to monitor all those with the nagios commands....it's ugly
[22-Jun-2007 16:42:24] <KnckrBckr> oh
[22-Jun-2007 16:42:39] <MNSain> KnckrBckr: Under Servers/Linux/ add a new organizer: Asterisk Servers.
[22-Jun-2007 16:42:48] <KnckrBckr> done that
[22-Jun-2007 16:44:09] <KnckrBckr> i have /Devices /Server /Asterisk created with 2 boxes in it
[22-Jun-2007 16:44:49] <MNSain> K, so you should be able to add all the nagios checks you want to that container and not worry about them checking those services on boxes that don't provide them.
[22-Jun-2007 16:45:03] <MNSain> It's not a perfect solution. I know that.
[22-Jun-2007 16:45:06] <creiht> The device heirarchy is set up so that you can easily define a set of templates of how you want to monitor devices
[22-Jun-2007 16:45:18] <creiht> KnckrBckr: If you want, you can run any nagious script with zenoss
[22-Jun-2007 16:45:36] <creiht> Then latest version has it's own plugin system
[22-Jun-2007 16:46:03] <creiht> Which devs should start using to create their own plugins
[22-Jun-2007 16:46:10] <creiht> at least as soon as there are docs for it
[22-Jun-2007 16:46:26] <KnckrBckr> sorry, i am a bit of a noob... from /devices/server/asterisk - what tab do i click and under what field do i add these checks?
[22-Jun-2007 16:46:33] <KnckrBckr> i'm starting to understand...
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[22-Jun-2007 16:46:47] <creiht> In the end, it is a much more maintainable system
[22-Jun-2007 16:47:39] <creiht> KnckrBckr: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/create-modify-nagios-templates/
[22-Jun-2007 16:47:39] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[22-Jun-2007 16:47:39] <tty01> anyone know snmp real well?
[22-Jun-2007 16:47:56] <creiht> tty01: Not sure I would say real well, but I can give a question a shot
[22-Jun-2007 16:48:21] <tty01> i have a oid.....its supposedly the oid for client connections....how can i be sure?
[22-Jun-2007 16:48:51] <KnckrBckr> creight: thanks - i will rtfm and come back - likely with more questions
[22-Jun-2007 16:48:54] <creiht> tty01: You can run the command line command snmpget with the oid
[22-Jun-2007 16:49:04] <creiht> KnckrBckr: no problem... good luck
[22-Jun-2007 16:49:12] <creiht> Not completely sure the syntax
[22-Jun-2007 16:49:18] <creiht> probably something like
[22-Jun-2007 16:49:25] <MNSain> Knckbckr: Good luck. See you around.
[22-Jun-2007 16:49:42] <creiht> snmpget -cCommunityString ip_address OID
[22-Jun-2007 16:49:46] <MNSain> creiht: He could snmpwalk it, too.
[22-Jun-2007 16:49:49] <creiht> yeah
[22-Jun-2007 16:50:04] <moredakka> creiht: what's the snmpwalk command to get all the oids from a system?
[22-Jun-2007 16:50:04] <tty01> i walked it and it doesnt give me a definite answer
[22-Jun-2007 16:50:06] <creiht> Sorry I don't know the exact syntax... but something like snmpget --help should get you pretty far
[22-Jun-2007 16:50:25] <creiht> snmpwalk -cCommunityString -v1 ip_address
[22-Jun-2007 16:50:35] <moredakka> excellent...thnx
[22-Jun-2007 16:50:57] <moredakka> if I have rw on the server that won't try to write anything, will it?
[22-Jun-2007 16:51:19] <tty01> a walk doesnt write anything
[22-Jun-2007 16:51:24] <zombor> is it possible to simulate an event, such as a service failure?
[22-Jun-2007 16:51:25] <moredakka> kay, thnx
[22-Jun-2007 16:51:31] <zombor> so i know if my alerts will work properly
[22-Jun-2007 16:51:38] <tty01> kill the service?
[22-Jun-2007 16:51:49] <zombor> simulate
[22-Jun-2007 16:52:10] <creiht> zombor: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/send-events/
[22-Jun-2007 16:52:10] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[22-Jun-2007 16:52:10] <tty01> argh reading oid's are freaking confusing
[22-Jun-2007 16:52:11] <creiht> tty01: indeed
[22-Jun-2007 16:52:17] <bapril> add an ACL so your test-box can't get to it
[22-Jun-2007 16:52:43] <MNSain> tty01: I hear ya. I hate reading that crap.
[22-Jun-2007 16:53:57] <tty01> sigh i give up for now
[22-Jun-2007 16:54:14] <tty01> soooo....what do you guys do, as far as job wise
[22-Jun-2007 16:54:36] <creiht> tty01: I'm a web developer
[22-Jun-2007 16:54:47] <tty01> glorified typist!
[22-Jun-2007 16:54:56] <creiht> hah!
[22-Jun-2007 16:55:05] <creiht> No... a real web developer
[22-Jun-2007 16:55:07] <zombor> im a web developer/systems administrator/IT manager/video producer/etc,etc
[22-Jun-2007 16:55:18] <creiht>
[22-Jun-2007 16:55:24] <tty01> so zombor you're a underpaid person
[22-Jun-2007 16:55:26] <tty01> gotcha
[22-Jun-2007 16:55:32] <zombor> tty01: extremely
[22-Jun-2007 16:55:32] <creiht> I create apps that run on the web that run our company
[22-Jun-2007 16:56:01] <creiht> And I use zenoss to monitor those apps to make sure they stay up
[22-Jun-2007 16:56:06] <tty01> web development is apparently the wave of the future
[22-Jun-2007 16:56:12] <zombor> tty01: im mainly a php web developer though
[22-Jun-2007 16:56:46] <tty01> ah we're a apache/php shop
[22-Jun-2007 16:56:57] <creiht> php/python/java here
[22-Jun-2007 16:57:05] <zombor> im also a developer for the kohana php framework
[22-Jun-2007 16:57:27] <creiht> zombor: You need to learn python
[22-Jun-2007 16:57:45] <zombor> creiht: if i were to go to a new language, it would be ruby, not python
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:02] <creiht> heh
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:21] <creiht> I guess if you like to follow the crowd
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:31] <tty01> oooh! developer fight!
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:34] <creiht> haha
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:36] <zombor> ive been reading into ruby for years
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:39] <moredakka> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:47] <creiht> Sorry, it's friday, and I'm a bit tired
[22-Jun-2007 16:58:53] <zombor> its such a nice language
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[22-Jun-2007 16:59:16] <zombor> it makes php look like windows 95 compared to os x
[22-Jun-2007 16:59:21] <creiht> heh
[22-Jun-2007 16:59:35] <creiht> It is definately better than PHP
[22-Jun-2007 16:59:40] <creiht> but that doesn't say much
[22-Jun-2007 16:59:42] <zombor> but php pays my bills, so im stuck with it
[22-Jun-2007 16:59:56] <bapril> ok so is there a secret stash of Zenoss docs somewhere? I've seen people get fired for the kind of stuff on the zenoss.com
[22-Jun-2007 17:00:29] <creiht> bapril: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs
[22-Jun-2007 17:00:29] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[22-Jun-2007 17:02:37] <bapril> yea... that was fine for getting installed and working then it seems to have left me hanging with lots of single paragraph blurbs of almost no value
[22-Jun-2007 17:03:11] <creiht> bapril: What do you need?
[22-Jun-2007 17:03:43] <creiht> The Zenoss Guide is probably the most comprehensive that they have
[22-Jun-2007 17:03:55] <creiht> And then there are some user written how-to's on top of that
[22-Jun-2007 17:04:08] <bapril> At the moment the trick to allow me to use variable substitution in the "Method Parameters" when pulling perf data via XMLRPC.
[22-Jun-2007 17:04:09] <creiht> They cover most of the average stuff you want to do
[22-Jun-2007 17:04:35] <creiht> bapril: Ah yes... unfortunately some of the more advanced things like that haven't been documented very well yet
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[22-Jun-2007 17:04:41] <MNSain> creiht: I gotta take off. I'll see you Monday.
[22-Jun-2007 17:04:53] <creiht> MNSain: Have a good weekend
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[22-Jun-2007 17:05:07] <MNSain> creiht: You, too. :-)
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[22-Jun-2007 17:05:24] <bapril> ok, mainly wanted to make sure I wasn't pulling my hair-out for no reason.
[22-Jun-2007 17:06:15] <creiht> The only other suggestion is that you might search the forum to see if anyone else has asked the question
[22-Jun-2007 17:06:23] <bapril> been there too
[22-Jun-2007 17:06:27] <creiht> Or post to the forum to see if you can get a dev response
[22-Jun-2007 17:06:58] <bapril> That's my next step, wanted to be sure I'm not asking a question that has been asked 1000 times already
[22-Jun-2007 17:13:03] <KnckrBckr> The class Devices/Server/Asterisk/PerfConf/Asterisk Checks is now created... i have created simple check_http and check_ssh nagios checks, both tested from the command line... doesn't seem they are applied to the two class devices, how do I enable this class (Applying "Asterisk Checks" to my two asterisk boxes)?
[22-Jun-2007 17:15:11] <creiht> KnckrBckr: I think that is all you need to do
[22-Jun-2007 17:15:20] <creiht> What makes you think that they are not working?
[22-Jun-2007 17:16:33] <KnckrBckr> i just don't see it anywhere under the device... don't see "check_http = OK" on the device tabs
[22-Jun-2007 17:16:41] <creiht> ahh
[22-Jun-2007 17:16:48] <creiht> Not sure if it shows up anywhere or not
[22-Jun-2007 17:16:52] <creiht> let me look at mine
[22-Jun-2007 17:16:59] <creiht> It will generate an event if it goes down though
[22-Jun-2007 17:17:50] <creiht> Yeah I don't see it either, would be nice though
[22-Jun-2007 17:17:58] <creiht> You might submit a ticket to ask them to add it
[22-Jun-2007 17:18:52] <zombor> can anyone help me out with what this event means: "Free Space 90 Percent threshold of 921.6 exceeded: current value 1024.00" does it think the disk is running out of space?
[22-Jun-2007 17:19:03] <KnckrBckr> memory
[22-Jun-2007 17:19:03] <zombor> im not sure where those numbers are coming from
[22-Jun-2007 17:19:04] <creiht> zombor: yes
[22-Jun-2007 17:19:21] <zombor> creiht: where is the 921.6 coming from?
[22-Jun-2007 17:19:33] <creiht> that is what 90% of whatever amount would be
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:01] <creiht> click on the event
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:08] <zombor> oh, its monitoring /.vol
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:14] <zombor> and /dev
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:17] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:28] <creiht> You can globally tell it to not monitor those
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:34] <zombor> i didnt tell it to do that =/
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:49] <zombor> /.vol is always going to be full
[22-Jun-2007 17:20:49] <creiht> Well by default it will pick up everything
[22-Jun-2007 17:21:09] <zombor> where can i choose what it monitors?
[22-Jun-2007 17:22:19] <creiht> zombor: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/zenoss-guide/PartIV/Chapter10/Section2/guidesection_view
[22-Jun-2007 17:22:19] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[22-Jun-2007 17:22:34] <creiht> and search for http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/zenoss-guide/PartIV/Chapter10/Section2/guidesection_view
[22-Jun-2007 17:22:34] <creiht> err
[22-Jun-2007 17:22:34] <creiht> hehe
[22-Jun-2007 17:22:34] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[22-Jun-2007 17:22:34] <creiht> search for zFileSystemMapIgnoreNames
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[22-Jun-2007 17:23:07] <creiht> Those settings are available from teh zproperties tab of the device template that you are using for monitoring
[22-Jun-2007 17:24:44] <zombor> ok thanks
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[22-Jun-2007 18:08:25] <andrew_p> is any work on implementation of service-level dependency tracking is being done?
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[22-Jun-2007 18:24:09] <Dislo> hey guys could i get some help getting email notifications running
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[22-Jun-2007 18:38:31] <andrew_p> Dislo: what's wrong with them?
[22-Jun-2007 18:40:13] <andrew_p> Dislo: check zenactions.log. if you will see 0 rules/0 actions, this probably means that you have configured alerting rules under admin user. it won't work this way, create another user. otherwise, you will probably see email rejects etc.
[22-Jun-2007 18:40:19] <andrew_p> got to go
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[23-Jun-2007 03:04:04] <scanf> just another feature-stripped rebadge of OpenNMS.
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[23-Jun-2007 04:50:19] <blurred> evening...
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[23-Jun-2007 08:31:53] <blurred> evening all..
[23-Jun-2007 08:32:15] <blurred> anyone here good with zenwin / WMI under 2.0?
[23-Jun-2007 08:33:07] <blurred> looking for a brain to pick quickly...
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[23-Jun-2007 16:52:37] <DF1> Is there a way to view SNMP data point values without building them into an RRD graph? (eg: text strings)
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[23-Jun-2007 21:34:39] <blurred> hey.. anyone around?
[23-Jun-2007 21:35:06] <blurred> I am looking for someone to realign my perception of how IpServices are supposed to be linked to systems...
[23-Jun-2007 21:35:34] <blurred> I have several custom IpServices defined to perform tcp connects to services of interest..
[23-Jun-2007 21:35:55] <blurred> but can't for the life of me see how I am supposed to link them to devices I want to monitor it on.
[23-Jun-2007 21:36:48] <blurred> I have tried adding IpServices directly to the device object, but these just go green straight away regardless of a service actually listening on that tcp port...
[23-Jun-2007 21:38:25] <blurred> Can anyone provide advice on how to get IpServices linked to Devices you want them monitored on?
[23-Jun-2007 21:40:43] * blurred raps head several times on keyboard....
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[24-Jun-2007 22:28:21] <imperfect-> Howdy
[24-Jun-2007 22:28:59] <solarce> bonjour
[24-Jun-2007 22:29:15] <imperfect-> What sorts of things can I accomplish with ZenOSS?
[24-Jun-2007 22:29:33] <imperfect-> And how is is different from other SNMP monitors like nagious etc
[24-Jun-2007 22:29:54] <solarce> Est-ce que bienvenue au Zenoss le canal de soutien, comment je cherche peux vous aider ?
[24-Jun-2007 22:30:46] <solarce> Vous pouvez surveiller vos serveurs, obtenez des alertes quand les événements se produisent, et les employez même pour inventorier votre matériel.
[24-Jun-2007 22:31:24] <solarce> ce bruit bon ?
[24-Jun-2007 22:32:33] <solarce> imperfect-: no?
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[25-Jun-2007 00:14:37] <Snake-Eyes> lol
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[25-Jun-2007 00:41:28] <macka> good afternoon
[25-Jun-2007 00:41:57] <macka> Fairly simple question... where do I find the RPM for SLES10?
[25-Jun-2007 00:42:32] <macka> This page provides instructions for install, but I can't find the RPM it mentions anywhere! http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/install-guides/install-zenoss-on-suse-enterprise-linux-10/
[25-Jun-2007 00:42:32] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
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[25-Jun-2007 05:29:26] <_zack> anyone as figures about the disk space used by RRD graphs on the long run for zenoss?
[25-Jun-2007 05:29:56] <_zack> how many diskspaces will be user for 1 years of RRD data for XXX interfaces in a zenoss instance?
[25-Jun-2007 05:30:02] <_zack> questions like this....
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[25-Jun-2007 09:02:20] <DF8> Is there a way to allow for a text string as a data point?
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[25-Jun-2007 10:06:34] <tty01> anyone know of a dec to ascii calculator?
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[25-Jun-2007 10:44:22] <moredakka> Morning (or afternoon, depending on where in the world you are)
[25-Jun-2007 10:44:52] <moredakka> Does anyone know what OID I can use for CPU usage on Win 2k or 2k3 server without installing the Informant or WMI?
[25-Jun-2007 10:46:25] <DF8> moredakka: .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2
[25-Jun-2007 10:46:56] <DF8> moredakka: http://forums.adventnet.com/viewtopic.php?t=2418
[25-Jun-2007 10:47:32] <moredakka> Sweet, thanks DF8.
[25-Jun-2007 10:48:05] <DF8> Anyone know if there is a way to set up a text-type datapoint?
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[25-Jun-2007 11:02:48] <moredakka> Hey DF8, when I query .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2 it give me an invalid OID error. But if I query .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2.3 or .4 I get cpu usage for either one of the cpus I have (if I snmpwalk .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2 then I get both results but zenoss doesn't see that)
[25-Jun-2007 11:04:25] <moredakka> " 10.10.10.97|hrProcessorLoad |/Perf/Snmp||2|Error reading value for \"hrProcessorLoad \" on 10.10.10.97 (oid .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2 is bad) "
[25-Jun-2007 11:04:58] <moredakka> # snmpwalk -c public -v2c 10.10.10.97 .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2 -On
[25-Jun-2007 11:04:58] <moredakka> .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2.3 = INTEGER: 8
[25-Jun-2007 11:04:58] <moredakka> .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2.4 = INTEGER: 21
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[25-Jun-2007 11:11:41] <moredakka> # snmpwalk -c public -v2c 10.10.10.97 Processor -On
[25-Jun-2007 11:11:46] <moredakka> oops
[25-Jun-2007 11:11:47] <moredakka> haha
[25-Jun-2007 11:29:31] <moredakka> In the oid # snmpwalk -c public -v2c 10.10.10.97 .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2 -On
[25-Jun-2007 11:29:31] <moredakka> .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2.3 = INTEGER: 8
[25-Jun-2007 11:29:31] <moredakka> .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2.4 = INTEGER: 21
[25-Jun-2007 11:29:35] <moredakka> bah...oops
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[25-Jun-2007 11:31:13] <moredakka> in the oid .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2 the two values, would that be causing the problem in zenoss? How can I split that either into two graphs or have multiple lines in one graph? (the acutal server that I want to poll has 4 cpus so I don't want to have to setup 4 different oids for each server that I have to poll).
[25-Jun-2007 11:35:17] <wackyworld> Having zenping issues. sendto error Host myhost and myhost.fully.qualified are both using ip 192.168.44.22 This is on a linux host with the long and short name in /etc/hosts. Anybody know how to fix this? I'd rather not modify the hosts file if possible.
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[25-Jun-2007 11:47:53] <wackyworld> honest question... anyone know how long it usually takes to get a reply on this irc?
[25-Jun-2007 11:47:58] <DF8> moredakka: I think you would have to set up both the oids... Although, Im not that great with zenoss.
[25-Jun-2007 11:48:30] <DF8> you would do multiple lines in one graph by adding a custom graph to the device or template
[25-Jun-2007 11:48:44] <DF8> then, on the device, change the performance template to whatever you name it
[25-Jun-2007 11:53:54] <moredakka> :-/ That sucks
Cause the oids for the processors aren't the same on each server. (eg. .1-.4, or .106-.110 for 4 processors) That's why I was hoping zenoss could parse the information and get me both cpus in one command.[25-Jun-2007 11:55:25] <moredakka> another one is .3 .4 .5 .6 for the cpus....
[25-Jun-2007 12:02:18] <moredakka> Thanks for the suggestion but I don't think that will work for me as it seems that the oids are different on some servers (for some reason)...
[25-Jun-2007 12:06:47] <tty01> anyone know how to clear the errors on the dashboard?.....ack'ing it doesnt work
[25-Jun-2007 12:07:04] <moredakka> You could manually move them to history.
[25-Jun-2007 12:07:21] <solarce> I find some windex works well
[25-Jun-2007 12:07:27] <moredakka> har har
[25-Jun-2007 12:07:32] <solarce>
[25-Jun-2007 12:07:41] <moredakka> what? I laughed
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[25-Jun-2007 12:08:22] <solarce> don't make me talk french at you!
[25-Jun-2007 12:08:35] <moredakka> Yeah I saw that in the chat earlier
[25-Jun-2007 12:08:37] <moredakka> haha
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[25-Jun-2007 12:09:02] <solarce> argh, audible keeps spamming me
[25-Jun-2007 12:09:06] <solarce> moredakka:
[25-Jun-2007 12:09:53] <solarce> ok, must work now
[25-Jun-2007 12:10:02] <moredakka> solarce, did you see my snmp issue that I'm having? Have any idea?
[25-Jun-2007 12:11:06] <DF8> moredakka: Another option would be to use a custom command. Write a python script that will do the walk and parse it all. Haven't tried doing anything like that myself though
[25-Jun-2007 12:11:34] <tty01> thanks that worked
[25-Jun-2007 12:11:39] <moredakka> Hmmm....my boss knows lots of python commands...but he is going to tell me to learn how to write it :-/
[25-Jun-2007 12:11:47] <moredakka> np
[25-Jun-2007 12:12:15] <DF8> lol
[25-Jun-2007 12:13:12] <DF8> Personally, I think I would go the WMI route..
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[25-Jun-2007 12:13:54] <tty01> can someone elaborate on what this error message means CPU Utilization threshold of 2 not met: current value 0.00
[25-Jun-2007 12:14:28] <moredakka> I can't go the WMI route. The company that we are monitor will *NOT* allow that change to go on their network.
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[25-Jun-2007 12:14:35] <moredakka> which sucks
[25-Jun-2007 12:14:41] <DF8> ack
[25-Jun-2007 12:15:24] <moredakka> When in Data Point and selecting Type, what does DERIVE mean?
[25-Jun-2007 12:15:51] <DF8> it allows for a positive or negative change, I think
[25-Jun-2007 12:15:58] <moredakka> Ah.
[25-Jun-2007 12:16:10] <moredakka> man, why can't zenoss just do what I want it to do :-/
[25-Jun-2007 12:16:21] <DF8> Counter is +, Derive is +/-, absolute always assumes the previous value is 0, and gague just gives the value it found
[25-Jun-2007 12:16:47] <moredakka> I can't use the Informant or WMI cause the company doesn't want to install that stuff on their servers.
[25-Jun-2007 12:16:53] <moredakka> :-/
[25-Jun-2007 12:18:50] <moredakka> When putting a color selection in, do I have to use RGB color #s or just names?
[25-Jun-2007 12:19:08] <DF8> RGB I think
[25-Jun-2007 12:19:13] <DF8> could be wrong though
[25-Jun-2007 12:20:40] <moredakka> I'll just try it with just colors and see what happens.
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[25-Jun-2007 12:46:08] <moredakka> What is this telling me:
[25-Jun-2007 12:46:09] <moredakka> Type: ValueError
[25-Jun-2007 12:46:09] <moredakka> Value: need more than 1 value to unpack
[25-Jun-2007 12:47:00] <moredakka> I get that when trying to create a graph for the cpu usage.
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[25-Jun-2007 13:09:10] <moredakka> Type: ValueError
[25-Jun-2007 13:09:15] <moredakka> Value: need more than 1 value to unpack
[25-Jun-2007 13:09:16] <moredakka> I get that when trying to create a graph for the cpu usage.
[25-Jun-2007 13:21:22] <moredakka> The color code in the Data Points is broken in 1.1.1....i don't know if it's fixed in the other versions but when I insert a hex color code I get the "Value: need more than 1 value to unpack" error.
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[25-Jun-2007 13:25:47] <moredakka> Anyone know how I can creat a Data Source that will take all the memory that programs are using and subract it from the total memory with just using the Host Resources mib?
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[25-Jun-2007 13:41:12] <tty01> anyone know if i can make a graph of say the uptime of a image on a website?
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[25-Jun-2007 13:50:33] <r5> the uptime of an image?
[25-Jun-2007 13:50:40] <tty01> yeah
[25-Jun-2007 13:50:43] <r5> like how long an image has been accessible?
[25-Jun-2007 13:50:52] <tty01> or if the image is actually there instead of the red x
[25-Jun-2007 13:51:08] <r5> that would just be a URL
[25-Jun-2007 13:51:16] <tty01> but can you graph that?
[25-Jun-2007 13:51:28] <r5> it http://www.somesite.com/somejph.jpg
[25-Jun-2007 13:51:32] <r5> yeah if it doesn't work it is a 404...
[25-Jun-2007 13:51:43] <r5> you could at least have a perl script that polls it
[25-Jun-2007 13:51:58] <moredakka> I don't even thing you need a perl script for that.
[25-Jun-2007 13:52:00] <tty01> think there is already one written as a nagios check
[25-Jun-2007 13:52:10] <tty01> check_http
[25-Jun-2007 13:52:11] <r5> yeah there is probably a check there
[25-Jun-2007 13:52:15] <tty01> just wasnt sure if it can be graph'd
[25-Jun-2007 13:52:36] <r5> well what are you graphing? 1 = there, 0 = not there
[25-Jun-2007 13:53:13] <moredakka> The only other thing you could graph is access time to the image
[25-Jun-2007 13:54:22] <r5> but the TCP response would be the same..
[25-Jun-2007 13:54:24] <r5> I think
[25-Jun-2007 13:56:51] <tty01> yeah they just want to have a check for the image....and how long it stays up before it craps out
[25-Jun-2007 13:56:57] <tty01> dumb thing to monitor if ya ask me
[25-Jun-2007 13:58:59] <moredakka> well you can create a monitor for it, don't need to graph it.
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[25-Jun-2007 14:03:01] <tty01> if it was only as simple as that =\
[25-Jun-2007 14:10:15] <moredakka> I'm tryin gto figure out the command but lunch is going and my tummy is rumbling.
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[25-Jun-2007 14:25:10] <moredakka> cluther: Do you know how I can creat a Data Source that will take all the memory that programs are using and subract it from the total memory with just using the Host Resources mib?
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[25-Jun-2007 15:31:08] <tty01> anyone know where i can change the default communitystring ?
[25-Jun-2007 15:38:33] <tty01> nm figured it out
[25-Jun-2007 15:39:53] <moredakka> Gah, wish I could figure my problem out :-/
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[25-Jun-2007 15:50:53] <moredakka> tty01: I can't figure out how to get check_http to monitor a webpage without using an IP address. :-/
[25-Jun-2007 15:51:29] <moredakka> it says I can input a uri but it doesn't accept my http://www.domain.com as a valid one
[25-Jun-2007 15:51:29] <adytum-bot> Title: domain.com - Get online with a domain name and web hosting (at www.domain.com)
[25-Jun-2007 15:51:44] <moredakka> search mom
[25-Jun-2007 15:51:58] <moredakka> bah...what do you type in to bug the bot? ;-)
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[25-Jun-2007 15:55:11] <creiht> google moredakka problems
[25-Jun-2007 15:55:19] <adytum-bot> http://www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg06960.html//www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg06960.html
[25-Jun-2007 15:55:24] <creiht> haha
[25-Jun-2007 15:55:53] <moredakka> haha
[25-Jun-2007 15:55:58] <tty01> lol
[25-Jun-2007 15:56:04] <moredakka> google creiht problems
[25-Jun-2007 15:56:11] <adytum-bot> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=4945
[25-Jun-2007 15:56:11] <moredakka> dooo it
[25-Jun-2007 15:56:25] <creiht> hehe
[25-Jun-2007 15:56:44] <moredakka> that's funny stuff
[25-Jun-2007 15:56:57] <creiht> google 1 + 1
[25-Jun-2007 15:57:04] <adytum-bot> creiht: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[25-Jun-2007 15:57:09] <creiht> hehe
[25-Jun-2007 15:57:19] <moredakka> google bot's administrator
[25-Jun-2007 15:57:26] <adytum-bot> http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/20050822.html.gz
[25-Jun-2007 15:57:33] <moredakka> I'm scared
[25-Jun-2007 15:58:11] <moredakka> Creiht: have you seen the question that I'm asking about graphs?
[25-Jun-2007 15:58:25] <moredakka> ^ Capital letter cause it's important
[25-Jun-2007 15:58:31] <creiht> moredakka: I haven't made any custom graphs... sorry
[25-Jun-2007 15:58:35] <moredakka> bah
[25-Jun-2007 15:59:35] <moredakka> I've got the cpu graph going without the informant but the memory one requires some math or something to get it working. I just don't know how to write the forumal into the data source or data point :-/
[25-Jun-2007 16:08:38] <moredakka> Where has chet been lately? I haven't seen him around for a bit
[25-Jun-2007 16:08:59] <creiht> moredakka: cluther == chet
[25-Jun-2007 16:09:19] <moredakka> Yeah I know....cluther hasn't been here to answer questions lately
[25-Jun-2007 16:28:36] <cluther> It's true..
[25-Jun-2007 16:28:45] <cluther> Business travel all last week.
[25-Jun-2007 16:28:59] <moredakka> Ah...Mr. Man is back!
[25-Jun-2007 16:29:01] <moredakka> w00p w00p
[25-Jun-2007 16:29:15] <cluther> Digging myself out today. =}
[25-Jun-2007 16:29:19] <moredakka> haha
[25-Jun-2007 16:29:30] <moredakka> you probably have a million requests for help. ;-)
[25-Jun-2007 16:30:03] <cluther> Nah.. only about a tenth of that. heh
[25-Jun-2007 16:32:25] <moredakka> Well I'm hoping you can help me out here: I'm trying to get memmory graphing from Windows SNMP without WMI or the Informant, I read this topic http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1879&highlight=snmp and you mentionedto go through the admin guide and create a custom performance template. I can't figure out how to get the total of the memory to graph....need to make some sorta math equation :-/
[25-Jun-2007 16:32:25] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Why is the OID wrong?? (at community.zenoss.com)
[25-Jun-2007 16:40:23] <moredakka>
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[25-Jun-2007 17:26:42] <Coeus> hello, I am getting an iteration over non-sequence errors when trying to start zenhub, zenperfsnmp, and zenprocess. Does anyone know what could be up?
[25-Jun-2007 17:26:48] <Coeus> I am running a new install on centos5
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[25-Jun-2007 17:38:38] <moredakka> There certainly are alot of cluthers in here.
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[25-Jun-2007 17:46:46] <Coeus> if i try and start zenhub manually i get the following:
[25-Jun-2007 17:46:53] <Coeus> /opt/zenoss/bin/zenhub: line 13: /bin/zenfunctions: No such file or directory
[25-Jun-2007 17:46:53] <Coeus> /opt/zenoss/bin/zenhub: line 20: generic: command not found
[25-Jun-2007 17:47:58] <Coeus> seems my $ZENHOME isnt set properly
[25-Jun-2007 17:57:58] <moredakka> Are you logged in as root or zenoss?
[25-Jun-2007 17:58:06] <Coeus> root
[25-Jun-2007 17:58:12] <Coeus> suppose thats the problem
[25-Jun-2007 17:58:23] <moredakka> open another ssh session as the zenoss user....I had the same problem.
[25-Jun-2007 17:58:37] <moredakka> the environment isn't built properly if you don't do it that way
[25-Jun-2007 17:58:44] <Coeus> whats the default pw
[25-Jun-2007 17:59:39] <moredakka> zenoss?
[25-Jun-2007 17:59:54] <Coeus> no...
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[25-Jun-2007 18:01:31] <Coeus> i suppose i can just su to zenoss
[25-Jun-2007 18:01:31] <Coeus> ok, that brings up the correct variables
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[25-Jun-2007 18:01:57] <Coeus> hmm, now i get a permission denied
[25-Jun-2007 18:02:12] <Coeus> wait, nevermind
[25-Jun-2007 18:05:28] <Coeus> mm...nothing, i try to run zenhub as zenoss and it just says starting and then nothing
[25-Jun-2007 18:05:39] <moredakka> hmm....
[25-Jun-2007 18:05:41] <moredakka> not sure then
[25-Jun-2007 18:05:45] <Coeus> and now zenstatus is giving me the iteration error
[25-Jun-2007 18:06:08] <Coeus> log file on zenhub still stays empty
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[25-Jun-2007 19:06:11] <cluther> moredakka: Sorry for missing your Windows memory question earlier.
[25-Jun-2007 19:06:15] <cluther> moredakka: Are you still around?
[25-Jun-2007 19:07:03] <cluther> moredakka: If you have a number of data sources that you need to perform some math on before they go into your graph you'll need to come up with something for the "Custom" field in the graph.
[25-Jun-2007 19:08:54] <cluther> moredakka: It takes standard RRDTool graph definitions: http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/doc/rrdgraph_data.en.html
[25-Jun-2007 19:08:54] <adytum-bot> Title: RRDtool - rrdgraph_data (at oss.oetiker.ch)
[25-Jun-2007 19:08:55] <cluther> moredakka: The _data, _example, _graph and _rpn sections are valuable.
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[25-Jun-2007 19:14:53] <_keturn> hmm, this device keeps generating "snmp agent down" events even though I thought I configured it without SNMP.
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[25-Jun-2007 20:22:18] <djhabeeb> would anyone know why a command would work on a few systems and fail on others?
[25-Jun-2007 20:22:26] <djhabeeb> i mean a check that i run by hand
[25-Jun-2007 20:22:47] <djhabeeb> i get Unknown error code: 3
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[25-Jun-2007 20:56:42] <_keturn> heh. triggered the oom killer in the zenoss vmware image.
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[25-Jun-2007 21:33:45] <_keturn> aand now I can't bring it back, even after increasing the vmplayer memory allocation and rebooting the image.
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[26-Jun-2007 00:48:02] <Genera1> may i ask a question?
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[26-Jun-2007 00:58:04] <Genera1> am i missing something in the docs, what is the login for the web interface???
[26-Jun-2007 01:03:53] <Genera1> never mind
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[26-Jun-2007 05:42:57] <shakeSpear> hi, does anyone know about the datatype "selection" of cproperties? How can I use it?
[26-Jun-2007 05:43:44] <shakeSpear> and another question: is there a way to search for devices by looking for contents in cproperties?
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[26-Jun-2007 09:48:31] <tty01> anyone know why zensyslog wont stay up if syslogd is running
[26-Jun-2007 09:53:30] <cluther> tty01: Probably because they are both trying to bind to port 514/udp.
[26-Jun-2007 09:54:19] <tty01> argh
[26-Jun-2007 09:54:32] <tty01> you know where i can change the port which it binds to
[26-Jun-2007 09:54:37] <tty01> syslogd is sorta important
[26-Jun-2007 09:57:37] <creiht> tty01: You have to change the source file
[26-Jun-2007 09:57:40] <creiht> pretty easy though
[26-Jun-2007 09:57:44] <creiht> let me look it up real quick
[26-Jun-2007 09:57:50] <creiht> I had to do the same thing
[26-Jun-2007 09:58:50] <creiht> tty01: $ZENHOME/Products/ZenEvents/zensyslog.py
[26-Jun-2007 09:58:58] <creiht> look for SYSLOG_PORT
[26-Jun-2007 09:59:10] <tty01> ah thanks!
[26-Jun-2007 09:59:19] <creiht> I have a ticket in to have that be a configurable item
[26-Jun-2007 09:59:58] <tty01> whats a another port which i can bind it to?
[26-Jun-2007 10:00:09] <creiht> The other question is, are you going to send any syslog info to Zenoss?
[26-Jun-2007 10:00:19] <creiht> I just increased it by one
[26-Jun-2007 10:00:37] <tty01> no....just using syslog to monitor the local events of the box
[26-Jun-2007 10:07:31] <moredakka> cluther: are you here for a couple minutes to answer a quick question?
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[26-Jun-2007 10:15:07] <tty01> anyone know of a calculator to convert OID's to ascii?
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[26-Jun-2007 10:18:10] <tty01> hmm now that ive changed the port....i think syslogd is trying to send log to zenoss
[26-Jun-2007 10:18:19] <tty01> syslogd: sendto: Bad file descriptor
[26-Jun-2007 10:41:33] <tty01> is there anyway to force zenoss to run a specific check?
[26-Jun-2007 10:41:42] <cluther> moredakka: What's up?
[26-Jun-2007 10:47:53] <moredakka> cluther: Well I'm hoping you can help me out here: I'm trying to get memmory graphing from Windows SNMP without WMI or the Informant, I read this topic http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1879&highlight=snmp and you mentionedto go through the admin guide and create a custom performance template. I can't figure out how to get the total of the memory to graph....need to make some sorta math equation? :-/
[26-Jun-2007 10:47:53] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Why is the OID wrong?? (at community.zenoss.com)
[26-Jun-2007 10:47:53] <moredakka> I guess I can't find where it shows how to do that in the admin guide :-/
[26-Jun-2007 10:50:31] <moredakka> I've got the OIDs for the total memory and the set of OIDs for all of the programs that are using memory but there is no single oid to show memory in use.
[26-Jun-2007 10:53:20] <cluther> See if 1.3.6.1.4.1.311.1.1.3.1.1.7.1.0 gives you the available RAM.
[26-Jun-2007 10:56:48] <moredakka> nope, just drops down to the next line and shows nothing. I only have 1.3.6.1.4.1.311.1.7.x OIDs. Is there a way to get zenoss to total the amount from a group of OIDs? (also figure out how many are in the group)?
[26-Jun-2007 11:01:17] <cluther> moredakka: Not natively.. that's something you'd have to do with a script through zencommand.
[26-Jun-2007 11:03:09] <cluther> moredakka: Ah, that OID I posted requires that you install Microsoft's perfmib.
[26-Jun-2007 11:03:18] <cluther> moredakka: http://www.netinst.com/support/osup1039.html
[26-Jun-2007 11:03:18] <adytum-bot> Title: OSUP1039 - Enabling SNMP CPU and Memory Usage Stats on Windows Servers (at www.netinst.com)
[26-Jun-2007 11:05:33] <moredakka> :-/ The company that we are monitoring isn't willing to install anything on their servers for monitoring. Kinda outta luck there.
[26-Jun-2007 11:06:00] <moredakka> I might have to get my boss to write a python script for it. can a graph call a # number from a python script?
[26-Jun-2007 11:22:02] <cluther> Afraid not. I believe ticket #718 is currently open for v2.1. This ticket is get get computed data sources.
[26-Jun-2007 11:23:09] <moredakka> Ah, alright. So without installing/enabling Information or WMI there isn't much we can do with zenoss to get it to show the memory usage with the Host Resources mib right?
[26-Jun-2007 11:28:53] <Bulwinkle> cluther: is there any word about IE incompatibilities with ZenOSS 2.0? It has gotten a LOT better, but, I'm seeing some problems with IE6 and IE7
[26-Jun-2007 11:29:28] <cluther> Bulwinkle: IE6 is a bust, but IE7 works well in the latest trunk. There are several patches since 2.0 that will release in 2.0.1.
[26-Jun-2007 11:30:08] <Bulwinkle> cluther: any idea when that release will hit the shelves?
[26-Jun-2007 11:30:29] <moredakka> thnx for your help anyways cluther, I'll have to wait for the new versions to come out...
[26-Jun-2007 11:30:40] <cluther> Bulwinkle: No word yet. The current priority is to get Enterprise 2.0 out the door.
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[26-Jun-2007 13:44:07] <moredakka> anyone here that can answer a hopefully easy question?
[26-Jun-2007 14:06:20] <rkagin> moredakka: If you're still there, what's the question?
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[26-Jun-2007 15:31:04] <tty01> anyone know why a command by hand works....but fails when zenoss tries to run it?
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[26-Jun-2007 16:03:32] <moredakka> rkagin: if you're still around, I'm looking for a way to have 1-2 devices pinged at a 30 sec interval while all the other systems are pinged 60 seconds. is there a way to do it? I'm trying to setup a performance template to do it but I don't think it's working properly.
[26-Jun-2007 16:05:21] <rkagin> I'm trying to remember where those values are set...
[26-Jun-2007 16:05:53] <moredakka> I can set it in the status monitor but I can't set them....wait...might have just thought of it.
[26-Jun-2007 16:07:21] <moredakka> If you set the zCommandCycleTime (default is 60) to 20, will that run the commands that I have set in the template for it every 20 seconds?
[26-Jun-2007 16:08:03] <rkagin> moredakka: I would only assume so if zCommandCycleTime is for the template, rather than for a device.
[26-Jun-2007 16:09:16] <moredakka> Well I've set it on both the device and the template...lets see what happens.
[26-Jun-2007 16:12:11] <rkagin> moredakka: I would have thought that more information regarding the properties would be found here (http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/zenoss-guide/PartIV/Chapter10), but it's not there (that particular zProperty).
[26-Jun-2007 16:12:11] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[26-Jun-2007 16:13:04] <moredakka> What logs the commands that are run from the templates? zencommand?
[26-Jun-2007 16:13:59] <rkagin> I think so, but it should show up in the events if it pinged it correctly, no?
[26-Jun-2007 16:14:29] <moredakka> You would think so. I've got the nic disabled on the testing box and zenoss isn't doing anything to tell me about it.
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[26-Jun-2007 16:19:30] <moredakka> Well least I have something
[26-Jun-2007 16:19:31] <moredakka> Command invoked cannot execute, permissions problem or command is not an executable
[26-Jun-2007 16:19:53] <moredakka> That happens every 30 seconds....so I know it's happening every 30 seconds but the command isn't running properly.
[26-Jun-2007 16:20:30] <rkagin> moredakka: So now it can't ping properly?
[26-Jun-2007 16:20:43] <moredakka> No I get this error:
[26-Jun-2007 16:20:45] <moredakka> Command invoked cannot execute, permissions problem or command is not an executable
[26-Jun-2007 16:21:00] <moredakka> I can run the command as the zenoss user no problem from the CLI
[26-Jun-2007 16:21:09] <moredakka> same with from the manage screen
[26-Jun-2007 16:21:24] <moredakka> ping -c2 ${dev/manageIp}
[26-Jun-2007 16:22:13] <rkagin> moredakka: Interesting - don't know what to tell you.
[26-Jun-2007 16:22:26] <moredakka> That's what my brain is telling me too :-/
[26-Jun-2007 16:23:16] <rkagin> moredakka: Put it back to 60 and see if it works?
[26-Jun-2007 16:24:02] <moredakka> Zenoss is running the command at 30 seconds like it should but the error is indicating to me that there is a problem with the command that I'm trying to run.
[26-Jun-2007 16:43:16] <rkagin> moredakka: Did it have that error running at 60s?
[26-Jun-2007 16:44:20] <moredakka> yeah, same error.
[26-Jun-2007 16:44:32] <moredakka> I'm trying /bin/ping -c2..etc...etc instead
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[26-Jun-2007 17:10:16] <moredakka> Why can't zenoss just take an OID and print out all the information from it :-/
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[26-Jun-2007 17:49:25] <moredakka> Yeah that was the problem, needed to have the full path to the ping command, works like a charm now.
[26-Jun-2007 17:50:05] <rkagin> :-) Glad I could (not really) help.
[26-Jun-2007 17:51:14] <moredakka> ;-) hehe
[26-Jun-2007 17:51:33] <moredakka> sometimes it's good to type out the problem and figure the way through it ;-)
[26-Jun-2007 17:51:43] <moredakka> Thanks for being there ;-)
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[26-Jun-2007 19:37:06] <djhabeeb> anyone know the command to see whats the current speed of the interface?
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[26-Jun-2007 23:45:50] <lara375> Hi guys
[26-Jun-2007 23:47:16] <lara375> I would like to install DnsMonitor
[26-Jun-2007 23:47:40] <lara375> i have downloaded the package but i don't know how to install it
[26-Jun-2007 23:47:56] <lara375> Please help to me
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[27-Jun-2007 01:10:23] <lara375> Hi
[27-Jun-2007 01:54:11] <lara375> Any body there ?
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[27-Jun-2007 04:08:07] <jsegura> hi there, anyone alive?
[27-Jun-2007 04:08:16] <lara375> s
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[27-Jun-2007 04:20:51] <peterN> Hello, I am just exploring zenoss if it can help me manage to monitor ~30 servers. Currently I am struggling with some weird issues in ZenCore 2.0 (can't get template 'FileSystem' working, Performance:'Processes' duplicates the the 'Load'-Graph.
[27-Jun-2007 04:20:52] <peterN> Would it be rather smart for a newbie to start on 1.1.2 since this has been around for longer? Or should I stick and dig into 2.0? Thx for any suggestions/remarks.
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[27-Jun-2007 05:29:53] <AnAnD> I want to install DnsMonitor and HttpMonitor..... I could find the zip files to install in this url : http://www.zenoss.com/download/links?nt........ AT WHAT LOCATION DO I NEED INSTALL
[27-Jun-2007 05:29:53] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[27-Jun-2007 05:30:50] <AnAnD> can any one provide me the steps the to install
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[27-Jun-2007 05:45:59] <AnAnD> can anyone helpme
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[27-Jun-2007 05:56:45] <AnAnD> I want to install DnsMonitor and HttpMonitor..... I could find the zip files to install in this url : http://www.zenoss.com/download/links?nt........ AT WHAT LOCATION DO I NEED INSTALL
[27-Jun-2007 05:56:45] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[27-Jun-2007 05:56:46] <AnAnD> can any one provide me the steps the to install
[27-Jun-2007 05:59:27] <AnAnD> adytum-bot: Now i need to install DnsMonitor and HttpMonitor... can you provide me the steps in install.....i couldn't find it in the said url
[27-Jun-2007 05:59:27] <adytum-bot> AnAnD: Error: 'Now' is not a valid command.
[27-Jun-2007 06:00:08] <AnAnD> adytum-bot: ??
[27-Jun-2007 06:00:08] <adytum-bot> AnAnD: Error: '??' is not a valid command.
[27-Jun-2007 06:00:49] <AnAnD> adytum-bot: have you understood my problem
[27-Jun-2007 06:00:49] <adytum-bot> AnAnD: Error: 'have' is not a valid command.
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[27-Jun-2007 06:34:07] <peterN> anyone any advice/link to help what: 'Format %5.2lf%s' within Data Point means?
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[27-Jun-2007 09:37:54] <bain> alo
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[27-Jun-2007 09:55:00] <bain> how can I uninstall the zenoss plugin ?
[27-Jun-2007 09:57:36] <Bulwinkle> bain: which plugin?
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[27-Jun-2007 09:58:27] <bain> Zenoss-Plugins-1.1.2 ?
[27-Jun-2007 09:59:01] <bain> I used the one on the site .. and I'm getting errors .. I want to try the easyinstall one since it works on vmware machine .
[27-Jun-2007 10:01:40] <bain> don't worry ... foigured it out ..
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[27-Jun-2007 10:05:04] <prerydog> exit
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[27-Jun-2007 10:27:58] <tty01> anyone know how to fix ERROR zen.zencommand: [Errno 24] Too many open files
[27-Jun-2007 10:30:19] <rave182> what os are you running tty01?
[27-Jun-2007 10:30:25] <tty01> rhel 4
[27-Jun-2007 10:30:55] <rave182> in rhel you can configure the amount of open files for a user in /etc/security/limits.conf
[27-Jun-2007 10:31:18] <tty01> hmm lemme check the limits
[27-Jun-2007 10:31:53] <rave182> http://bcr2.uwaterloo.ca/~brecht/servers/openfiles.html
[27-Jun-2007 10:31:53] <adytum-bot> Title: Linux: Increasing the number of open file descriptors (at bcr2.uwaterloo.ca)
[27-Jun-2007 10:31:53] <rave182> check that link
[27-Jun-2007 10:32:12] <rave182> thank you bot
[27-Jun-2007 10:32:12] <tty01> yeah thats the link i used yesterday
[27-Jun-2007 10:32:14] <tty01> hehe
[27-Jun-2007 10:32:59] <tty01> cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max
[27-Jun-2007 10:32:59] <tty01> 65535
[27-Jun-2007 10:33:24] <rave182> wwhat user are you running zen as?
[27-Jun-2007 10:33:29] <tty01> zenoss
[27-Jun-2007 10:34:08] <tty01> argh and no limit binary
[27-Jun-2007 10:35:19] <rave182> ulimit
[27-Jun-2007 10:35:43] <rave182> as the user zenoss type ulimit -a
[27-Jun-2007 10:35:55] <rave182> should tell you the amount of open files the user can have
[27-Jun-2007 10:36:02] <rave182> open files (-n) 1024
[27-Jun-2007 10:36:03] <tty01> open files (-n) 1024
[27-Jun-2007 10:36:42] <rave182> open files (-n) 65536
[27-Jun-2007 10:36:47] <rave182> that's so much cooler
[27-Jun-2007 10:37:05] <tty01> yes i am envious
[27-Jun-2007 10:37:08] <rave182> lol
[27-Jun-2007 10:37:16] <tty01> how do i increase it as zenoss user?
[27-Jun-2007 10:37:41] <rave182> something in /etc/security/limits.conf
[27-Jun-2007 10:38:08] <tty01> * soft nofile 65535
[27-Jun-2007 10:38:08] <tty01> * hard nofile 65535
[27-Jun-2007 10:38:12] <tty01> is that right syntax?
[27-Jun-2007 10:38:17] <tty01> i had to add those in manually
[27-Jun-2007 10:38:37] <rave182> yeah that should do it for all users
[27-Jun-2007 10:38:47] <tty01> what process needs to be restarted?
[27-Jun-2007 10:38:53] <tty01> in order for the change to get picked up
[27-Jun-2007 10:39:00] <rave182> exit out of the zenoss user and su back in
[27-Jun-2007 10:39:07] <rave182> check your ulimit to see if it increased
[27-Jun-2007 10:39:48] <tty01> open files (-n) 65535
[27-Jun-2007 10:39:49] <tty01> whoop
[27-Jun-2007 10:39:50] <tty01> thanks!
[27-Jun-2007 10:39:53] <tty01> you rox
[27-Jun-2007 10:40:01] <rave182> you got it, restart the master zenoss process and you should be good to go
[27-Jun-2007 10:40:39] <tty01> hmm hope that was the cause of my command failures
[27-Jun-2007 10:40:56] <rave182> typically it is, you can check the openfiles for a suer with lsof
[27-Jun-2007 10:41:07] <rave182> wrong command
[27-Jun-2007 10:41:11] <tty01> hehe
[27-Jun-2007 10:41:31] <rave182> ah right command, just have to be root
[27-Jun-2007 10:41:46] <rave182> lsof | grep zenoss
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[27-Jun-2007 10:43:02] <tty01> seems to be working
[27-Jun-2007 10:43:21] <rave182> good deal
[27-Jun-2007 10:43:57] <tty01> you know what this means now CompilerError: $ must be doubled or followed by a simple path
[27-Jun-2007 10:44:01] <tty01> hehe
[27-Jun-2007 10:44:21] <rave182> no idea, i've never run zenoss, i'm just moonlighting here to see what the irc support channel is like
[27-Jun-2007 10:44:25] <rave182> seems to be pretty dead
[27-Jun-2007 10:44:36] <tty01> oh haha
[27-Jun-2007 10:44:41] <tty01> yeah its pretty dead most of the time
[27-Jun-2007 10:45:39] <rave182> do you use zenoss or are you just checking it out?
[27-Jun-2007 10:45:57] <tty01> using it....planning on switching over from nagios
[27-Jun-2007 10:46:09] <tty01> not a smooth transition so far
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[27-Jun-2007 10:46:21] <tty01> my manager wants it mainly for the graphing and the ability to group machines by cluster
[27-Jun-2007 10:46:36] <rave182> yeah managers seem to like pretty pictures
[27-Jun-2007 10:47:06] <tty01> naw....my manager actually knows stuff
[27-Jun-2007 10:47:14] <tty01> if he didnt and he just wanted pretty pictures i'd be piss
[27-Jun-2007 10:47:19] <rave182> haha
[27-Jun-2007 10:47:29] <rave182> consider yourself lucky
[27-Jun-2007 10:47:50] <peterN> I am still trying to figure out what: 'Format %5.2lf%s' within Data Point (working on local copies of performance-templates) means ;(
[27-Jun-2007 10:48:25] <rave182> i'd guess it's 5 characters and then 2 after the decimal
[27-Jun-2007 10:48:35] <tty01> hehe good thing i have yet to come across that error
[27-Jun-2007 10:48:36] <rave182> looks like a hacked fpring to me
[27-Jun-2007 10:48:45] <rave182> fprint even
[27-Jun-2007 10:49:50] <tty01> what are you using currently for monitoring rave?
[27-Jun-2007 10:50:15] <rave182> we mostly use Midas
[27-Jun-2007 10:50:31] <rave182> we're kind of married to it at the moment since we started using it a few years ago, but we're looking at moving off of it
[27-Jun-2007 10:50:41] <tty01> midas is enterprise?
[27-Jun-2007 10:50:44] <peterN> thx
[27-Jun-2007 10:50:50] <tty01> googling midas returns automechanic stuff
[27-Jun-2007 10:50:57] <rave182> lol
[27-Jun-2007 10:51:19] <rave182> midas is a defunct program for a few years now, no support at all
[27-Jun-2007 10:51:59] <rave182> i put up a nagios server in one of our data centers, i don't mind the complexity but other admins complain about the complexity
[27-Jun-2007 10:52:22] <tty01> yeah....zenoss would be easier to write checks for and such
[27-Jun-2007 10:52:27] <rave182> I upgraded it to groundworks, but I think groundworks is trying to make money off not doing too much
[27-Jun-2007 10:52:36] <prerydog> tty01 - have you guys tried the CMDB aspect of zenoss?
[27-Jun-2007 10:52:36] <tty01> when i started working at my job now...never used nagios and it was a bit confusing
[27-Jun-2007 10:53:05] <rave182> yeah the config files are pain in the ass... but i like the object oriented aspect
[27-Jun-2007 10:53:25] <rave182> I guess I have an advantage because I've done OOP before
[27-Jun-2007 10:53:38] <rave182> prerydog isn't very good at it
[27-Jun-2007 10:54:47] <tty01> nope i havent tried that yet perry.....we're currently contemplating wheather we wanna cut over from nagios or not
[27-Jun-2007 10:55:23] <rave182> how has your experience with zenoss been so far?
[27-Jun-2007 10:55:30] <tty01> hmm a bit confusing
[27-Jun-2007 10:55:31] <prerydog> I think one of the compelling features of zenoss that sets it apart from nagios is the CMDB feature
[27-Jun-2007 10:55:47] <rave182> change management is huge for you huh?
[27-Jun-2007 10:55:54] <tty01> hehe
[27-Jun-2007 10:55:55] <rave182> seems like you're pandering to management
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[27-Jun-2007 10:56:03] <tty01> unfortunately
[27-Jun-2007 10:56:27] <tty01> but i was told if you get zenoss working just right....it owns all monitoring
[27-Jun-2007 10:57:18] <rave182> what are the aspects of zenoss that you find attractive?
[27-Jun-2007 10:58:19] <tty01> mostly the ability to apply checks to a clustered environment....and if a box that is part of that cluster and you want to do custom checks for that single box alone you can
[27-Jun-2007 10:58:34] <prerydog> What kind of cluster?
[27-Jun-2007 10:58:45] <tty01> apache
[27-Jun-2007 10:59:18] <tty01> it was a bit confusing at first trying to create templates though
[27-Jun-2007 10:59:29] <rave182> what are you using as your content switch?
[27-Jun-2007 10:59:48] <tty01> you mean our load balancer?
[27-Jun-2007 11:00:01] <rave182> yeah, that thing
[27-Jun-2007 11:00:06] <tty01> netscaler
[27-Jun-2007 11:00:24] <rave182> woot
[27-Jun-2007 11:00:28] <tty01> hehe you too?
[27-Jun-2007 11:00:28] <rave182> <- huge fan of citrix
[27-Jun-2007 11:00:49] <tty01> i gotta admit that its very easy to use
[27-Jun-2007 11:00:51] <rave182> no, we're stuck with cisco, we've got 6 CSS 11501s
[27-Jun-2007 11:01:06] <tty01> seems like you guys are in bed with quite a few companies
[27-Jun-2007 11:02:33] <rave182> not so much, we're pretty much married to Cisco, EMC and Dell
[27-Jun-2007 11:02:47] <tty01> hehe sounds like my last local government job
[27-Jun-2007 11:02:53] <tty01> oh and Sun
[27-Jun-2007 11:03:08] <rave182> never used sun but the tech looks very cool
[27-Jun-2007 11:03:13] <prerydog> Well - a standardized OS would be nice
[27-Jun-2007 11:03:26] <tty01> lol
[27-Jun-2007 11:04:15] <tty01> it would be pretty nice but unfortunately we have the 3 normal os's here
[27-Jun-2007 11:04:31] <rave182> redhat, windows, and....
[27-Jun-2007 11:04:37] <tty01> osx
[27-Jun-2007 11:04:38] <prerydog> We run unbuntu, rhel, windows
[27-Jun-2007 11:04:49] <rave182> we've got osx on clients too
[27-Jun-2007 11:04:50] <tty01> ubuntu is gaining some pretty big ground
[27-Jun-2007 11:05:02] <rave182> i think they're going to go enterprise soon
[27-Jun-2007 11:05:11] <tty01> most likely
[27-Jun-2007 11:05:27] <tty01> and the ubuntu community is huge
[27-Jun-2007 11:05:46] <prerydog> I think that'll fragment the debian community too much though and galvanize the support debian has in the enterprise world
[27-Jun-2007 11:06:20] <prerydog> Did you try the VMImage of zenoss?
[27-Jun-2007 11:06:27] <tty01> i havent
[27-Jun-2007 11:06:35] <tty01> installed it via source
[27-Jun-2007 11:06:41] <tty01> wanted to try it though
[27-Jun-2007 11:06:49] <tty01> but im sure there would be a perfomance hit
[27-Jun-2007 11:06:50] <prerydog> I'm going to try that first - then probably install from RPM
[27-Jun-2007 11:07:08] <prerydog> we're evaluating so many different solutions now for monitoring/alerting that installing all of them is becoming a pain
[27-Jun-2007 11:07:08] <tty01> havent tried yet?
[27-Jun-2007 11:07:24] <prerydog> no - I work with rave - we're getting there
[27-Jun-2007 11:07:29] <tty01> ah
[27-Jun-2007 11:07:34] <rave182> uh... i know i'm behind by a bit, but debian doesn't have any enterprise support
[27-Jun-2007 11:08:03] <tty01> hehe neither does redhat.....well they call it support but it sux
[27-Jun-2007 11:08:28] <rave182> true true, but they do do the enterprise thing by patching the software to another level and not making you have to upgrade
[27-Jun-2007 11:08:59] <prerydog> HP for awhie was doing enterprise support on Debian
[27-Jun-2007 11:09:07] <tty01> you guys should give zenoss a try though....easy to use once you get the hang of it and makes the pretty pictures managers like
[27-Jun-2007 11:09:14] <rave182> prerydog, i suggest you start adding enterpriselinuxlog.blogs.techtarget.com to your rss reader
[27-Jun-2007 11:10:12] <soloman> hello
[27-Jun-2007 11:10:19] <rave182> yeah, that's why we're here
[27-Jun-2007 11:10:21] <soloman> please help me with my tasl
[27-Jun-2007 11:10:25] <soloman> task
[27-Jun-2007 11:10:32] <tty01> fixing the flux capacitator?
[27-Jun-2007 11:10:54] <rave182> only getting 87 mph?
[27-Jun-2007 11:11:07] <tty01> hehe not much support here soloman...its pretty dead
[27-Jun-2007 11:12:49] <tty01> having a template of all your checks is pretty nice as well
[27-Jun-2007 11:13:17] <prerydog> Better than the nagios templates?
[27-Jun-2007 11:13:23] <tty01> yep
[27-Jun-2007 11:13:58] <rave182> how so?
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:14] <soloman> I have a server under /Devices/Server/Linux
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:15] <soloman> I added a template into this section with data source type COMMAND
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:15] <soloman> I want to request a script /usr/local/bin/state.sh from this server every one minute. This script returns value from 1 to 100
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:15] <soloman> and I want to generate critical Event if the value is less than 40
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:15] <soloman> how can I make Zenoss to request this script every 1 minute because it doesn't do that now
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:41] <tty01> i think thats in the cycle time
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:49] <tty01> its set to 300 by default
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:52] <tty01> try 60 i think
[27-Jun-2007 11:14:59] <soloman> I set it to 1
[27-Jun-2007 11:15:10] <tty01> im sure its by seconds cycle time
[27-Jun-2007 11:15:12] <soloman> but I see that script was never called
[27-Jun-2007 11:15:17] <soloman> permissions are ok
[27-Jun-2007 11:15:40] <tty01> which nagios version have you tried so far rave?
[27-Jun-2007 11:15:58] <prerydog> 3.04a and 2.9
[27-Jun-2007 11:16:19] <tty01> heh we're still using 2.2
[27-Jun-2007 11:16:39] <soloman> maybe adding only template is not enough for my task?
[27-Jun-2007 11:16:44] <tty01> the zenoss template you simply export it and then import it to the cluster you want to apply the checks to
[27-Jun-2007 11:17:04] <tty01> and remove the checks you dont want applied
[27-Jun-2007 11:17:43] <tty01> which perf template did you apply this check to soloman?
[27-Jun-2007 11:18:26] <soloman> I added it to root of perf templates
[27-Jun-2007 11:18:39] <tty01> the only templates that is applied is "Device"
[27-Jun-2007 11:18:41] <tty01> so add that check in there
[27-Jun-2007 11:18:43] <soloman> Devices /Server /Templates /testtempl
[27-Jun-2007 11:18:50] <soloman> this is where I'm now
[27-Jun-2007 11:19:00] <soloman> testtempl is my template
[27-Jun-2007 11:20:13] <tty01> try going to http://yourzenossip/zport/dmd/Devices/rrdTemplates/Device
[27-Jun-2007 11:20:13] <tty01> thats where it should be applied to
[27-Jun-2007 11:20:51] <soloman> thanks I will try now
[27-Jun-2007 11:20:56] <tty01> np
[27-Jun-2007 11:21:09] <tty01> thats the only template that works i think
[27-Jun-2007 11:21:16] <tty01> all other templates arent applied for some reason
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[27-Jun-2007 11:42:41] <soloman> tty01: no luck
I added Data Source ds1 Source: /usr/local/bin/state.sh Source Type: COMMAND Enabled: True[27-Jun-2007 11:43:03] <soloman> but state.sh still not been called
[27-Jun-2007 11:43:52] <tty01> try placing that in $ZENHOME/libexec
[27-Jun-2007 11:44:41] <soloman> what will be the name of DataSource then?
[27-Jun-2007 11:45:33] <tty01> i mean put the script in $ZENHOME/libexec
[27-Jun-2007 11:47:04] <soloman> I did
[27-Jun-2007 11:47:45] <tty01> just name the datasource whatever you want
[27-Jun-2007 11:48:00] <tty01> and for the command take out the /usr/local/bin part
[27-Jun-2007 11:48:10] <tty01> just put state.sh and commandline arguments
[27-Jun-2007 11:48:40] <soloman> where to put it? in Command Template?
[27-Jun-2007 11:48:53] <tty01> yep
[27-Jun-2007 11:49:15] <tty01> like i have a command template check_snmp_load -H ${devname} -C public -m L -w 30,30,30 -c 40,40,40
[27-Jun-2007 11:49:28] <soloman> yep, that worked!
[27-Jun-2007 11:49:30] <soloman> thank you
[27-Jun-2007 11:49:31] <tty01>
[27-Jun-2007 11:50:11] <tty01> alll scripts are executed from the path you define.....or by default its $ZENHOME/libexec
[27-Jun-2007 11:50:17] <tty01> so place all your scripts in that dir
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[27-Jun-2007 12:59:50] <soloman> tty01: how to make zenoss reread config? I removed template for checking my script hour ago but it keeps calling this script
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[27-Jun-2007 13:30:45] <doorman> Some Brazilian?
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[27-Jun-2007 13:37:27] <doorman> am with problems in the graphics of Zenoss. Some it can help?
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[27-Jun-2007 14:19:54] <tty01> soloman restart zencommand
[27-Jun-2007 14:21:46] <soloman> tty01: yeah i got another issue and fixed it
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[27-Jun-2007 14:23:43] <soloman> now the problem is zenoss doesn't take the script return value. Script prints some number, f.e 45. I set min value to 50 in Threshold so it should generate a critical Event when it receive 45 but it doesn't
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[27-Jun-2007 14:24:24] <tty01> running a custom script?
[27-Jun-2007 14:24:31] <tty01> or a nagios plugin?
[27-Jun-2007 14:28:10] <soloman> custom script
[27-Jun-2007 14:28:15] <soloman> it just prints 45
[27-Jun-2007 14:28:56] <tty01> can you paste your print part
[27-Jun-2007 14:29:13] <tty01> im guessing its your script
[27-Jun-2007 14:29:25] <soloman> #!/bin/bash
[27-Jun-2007 14:29:25] <soloman> echo 45
[27-Jun-2007 14:29:37] <soloman> that's it. It only for testing
[27-Jun-2007 14:29:45] <tty01> thats your whole script?
[27-Jun-2007 14:30:13] <soloman> yeah. I want to generate a critical event if the value given by script is less than 50
[27-Jun-2007 14:30:32] <soloman> but I can modify script - that's not problem
[27-Jun-2007 14:30:51] <tty01> what did you want to test for?
[27-Jun-2007 14:32:12] <soloman> I have some process that give some number from 1 to 100 - I want to stat this number, draw graphs and generate events if the number is less than some value
[27-Jun-2007 14:32:58] <tty01> why not just have it check by its OID
[27-Jun-2007 14:32:59] <soloman> this process makes selections from mysql and count this value using it's algorithm
[27-Jun-2007 14:33:04] <tty01> oh
[27-Jun-2007 14:33:58] <tty01> where does this number get output to?
[27-Jun-2007 14:34:05] <doorman> I am with problems in the graficos of alguem it can help
[27-Jun-2007 14:34:17] <soloman> i could check by OID if it makes difference from COMMAND
the only thing I need is to get this number[27-Jun-2007 14:34:41] <doorman> Some Brazilian?
[27-Jun-2007 14:34:44] <tty01> soloman snmpwalk -v1 hostname -c stringcommunity
[27-Jun-2007 14:35:19] <doorman> I am with problems in the graphics on zenoss it some can help?
[27-Jun-2007 14:36:19] <soloman> tty01: but how to run this process via snmp?
[27-Jun-2007 14:36:37] <tty01> look for the value you want or its currently outputtin on the right hand side
[27-Jun-2007 14:37:52] <soloman> what value?
[27-Jun-2007 14:38:08] <tty01> that would depend on your program....you said you want to monitor it and then graph it
[27-Jun-2007 14:38:12] <tty01> you can do that via oid
[27-Jun-2007 14:38:32] <soloman> tty01: but i need to run the process to get this value
[27-Jun-2007 14:38:44] <tty01> isnt this process always running?
[27-Jun-2007 14:38:47] <soloman> no
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[27-Jun-2007 14:38:53] <tty01> oh
[27-Jun-2007 14:39:03] <tty01> what you can do is have it exec in the snmpd.conf file
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[27-Jun-2007 14:39:13] <soloman> that's why I use COMMAND. it run the proc gets the value and exit
[27-Jun-2007 14:39:19] <soloman> sounds simle
[27-Jun-2007 14:39:23] <soloman> simple
[27-Jun-2007 14:39:25] <tty01> one sec...i forgot the syntax
[27-Jun-2007 14:41:09] <tty01> ok so your script queuries mysql and prints its output is that correct?
[27-Jun-2007 14:41:41] <soloman> yes
[27-Jun-2007 14:42:02] <tty01> so just vi /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf
[27-Jun-2007 14:42:12] <tty01> enter exec /bin/sh /pathtoyourscript
[27-Jun-2007 14:42:45] <tty01> then you can do a snmpwalk -v1 hostname -c communitystring UCD-SNMP-MIB::extOutput.1
[27-Jun-2007 14:42:50] <tty01> and search for the value
[27-Jun-2007 14:42:56] <tty01> brb
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[27-Jun-2007 14:51:31] <soloman> I did but now it writes: Error reading value for "TestDpoint" on localhost.localdomain (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.8 is bad)
[27-Jun-2007 14:51:31] <soloman> Error reading value for "TestDpoint" on localhost.localdomain (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.8 is bad)
[27-Jun-2007 15:10:53] <tty01> copy and paste what you put into your snmpd.conf
[27-Jun-2007 15:16:28] <soloman> exec zen_test /usr/local/bin/zenoss_test
[27-Jun-2007 15:16:57] <soloman> and zenoss_test is #!/bin/bash
[27-Jun-2007 15:16:58] <soloman> echo 45
[27-Jun-2007 15:19:02] <tty01> you sure you're checking the right OID
[27-Jun-2007 15:19:38] <soloman> how can I find out what OID is right?
[27-Jun-2007 15:20:37] <tty01> do the walk again....but add enterprises.ucdavis.extTable.extEntry to the end this time
[27-Jun-2007 15:20:51] <tty01> see if the value you're looking for shows up there
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:16] <soloman> snmpwalk -v 1 localhost -c public enterprises.ucdavis.extTable.extEntry
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:16] <soloman> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extIndex.1 = INTEGER: 1
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:16] <soloman> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extNames.1 = STRING: zen_test
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:16] <soloman> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extCommand.1 = STRING: /usr/local/bin/zenoss_test
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:16] <soloman> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extResult.1 = INTEGER: 45
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:17] <soloman> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extOutput.1 = STRING: TestDP=45
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:19] <soloman> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extErrFix.1 = INTEGER: 0
[27-Jun-2007 15:21:21] <soloman> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extErrFixCmd.1 = STRING:
[27-Jun-2007 15:27:39] <tty01> do a snmptranslate -Td -On UCD-SNMP-MIB::extResult.1
[27-Jun-2007 15:27:44] <tty01> and thats the OID you do the check for
[27-Jun-2007 15:30:48] <soloman> great seems to be the right OID thank you
[27-Jun-2007 15:31:31] <soloman> but it still doesn't collect data from this script
[27-Jun-2007 15:31:49] <soloman> what Data point should I use to correctly parse data?
[27-Jun-2007 15:35:39] <tty01> i thought that interger was the data you wanted to grab?
[27-Jun-2007 15:36:49] <soloman> it doesn't seem to be grabbed correctly
[27-Jun-2007 15:37:01] <soloman> how can I check what was grabbed?
[27-Jun-2007 15:45:19] <soloman> i see only zeros on graph
[27-Jun-2007 15:47:21] <soloman> tty01: btw how can I change the cycle time of snmp requests to this script? now it is 300 sec.
[27-Jun-2007 15:51:07] <soloman> i'll be back in 20 minutes
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[27-Jun-2007 16:12:46] <Bulwinkle> does anyone have the fix for the utilization exceeded for vlans?
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[27-Jun-2007 16:53:04] <Bulwinkle> seems there is no way to differenciate between a Cisco port-channel and vlan.... bummer
[27-Jun-2007 16:53:27] <moredakka> Does zenoss filter snmp traps?
[27-Jun-2007 16:54:03] <moredakka> the reason I ask, solarwinds orion shows more traps from the same devices that zenoss is monitoring. Not sure if zenoss is filtering them somehow or?
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[27-Jun-2007 17:19:16] <rkagin> I'm working on adding a report, and going through the howto (http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/how-to-add-a-report/), but I'm getting stuck on the executing a plugin. I'm doing exactly as the howto says, but I'm not seeing any results. Anyone got insight for this?
[27-Jun-2007 17:19:16] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
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[27-Jun-2007 17:54:29] <cluther_> rkagin: Did you code the plugin and put it into the $ZENHOME/ZenReports/plugins directory?
[27-Jun-2007 17:56:35] <cluther_> cluther_: I usually try to avoid using plugins so that my report is entirely contained in one file.
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[27-Jun-2007 17:57:20] <cluther_> cluther_: You can get some pretty crazy data into a report without resorting to a plugin.
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[27-Jun-2007 18:02:33] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Genshi Templates in Nevow - 11 Apr, 05:04PM
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[27-Jun-2007 18:05:50] <moredakka> cluther, does zenoss filter an traps? It seems that zenoss isn't seeing some of the traps that are sent to it while other monitoring systems will see the trap (that zenoss doesn't see) from the same box.
[27-Jun-2007 18:08:45] <moredakka> (v 1.1.1)
[27-Jun-2007 18:13:06] <cluther_> moredakka: Not unless you setup event mapping rules to do it. No SNMP traps are ignored by default.
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[27-Jun-2007 18:16:18] <moredakka> Haven't set anything up...hmmm, I'll have to check through the logs to see where these traps are going. If Zenoss doesn't know what the trap is it will just put it in /Unknown, correct?
[27-Jun-2007 18:19:37] <moredakka> in v1.1.1 what log file will show the traps that zenoss processes?
[27-Jun-2007 18:22:46] <rkagin> cluther_: My apologies - I was out of the room for a while. I was simply following the tutorial posted on the howtos, which specifically referenced a sample plugin (of which comes with the install) - but it wouldn't work (it would show nothing but the template).
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[27-Jun-2007 18:23:56] <cluther_> cluther_: "objects" is where you put all of your data for the report. It should be an array, one entry for each row of the table.
[27-Jun-2007 18:26:38] <cluther_> cluther_: For example.. to get a list of all of your devices you would do this in your tal:define block..
[27-Jun-2007 18:26:55] <cluther_> objects python: here.Devices.getSubDevices();
[27-Jun-2007 18:27:02] <rkagin> cluther_: Talking to yourself again?
[27-Jun-2007 18:27:50] <_keturn> adytum-bot: what's up with you? why do you report the same blog post from April that you did yesterday?
[27-Jun-2007 18:27:50] <adytum-bot> _keturn: Error: "what's" is not a valid command.
[27-Jun-2007 18:30:53] <rkagin> cluther_: Where can I learn more about how the tal blocks work, or learn about the language that it uses?
[27-Jun-2007 18:45:09] <bzed> rkagin: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/
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[27-Jun-2007 18:53:58] <rkagin> bzed: I'm looking, but can't find a "reference" guide, shall we say, to TALES (TTML?)
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[27-Jun-2007 19:15:59] <cluther_> http://wiki.zope.org/ZPT/TALESSpecification13
[27-Jun-2007 19:15:59] <adytum-bot> Title: wiki.zope.org TALES Specification 1.3 (at wiki.zope.org)
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[27-Jun-2007 19:23:58] <rkagin> cluther_: Yup, I'm there already - but I segued into trying to get a custom graph and viewing it. I got the template made in the /Devices category, but now I can't seem to get the graph to display for a given device.
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[27-Jun-2007 21:19:42] <sand_2> 'lo .. anyone had any success getting zenoss-2 to build on bsd .. having nagios plugins problem .. and it won't recognize the port.
[27-Jun-2007 21:22:09] <bzed> somebopdy tried it allready
[27-Jun-2007 21:22:19] <bzed> there was some stupid option to set to get the nagios plugins to build
[27-Jun-2007 21:22:23] <sand_2> looks like the alloc.h problem n the nagioplugins is a problem
[27-Jun-2007 21:22:28] <sand_2> fixed that..
[27-Jun-2007 21:22:28] <bzed> but I don;t really reamember anymore with one
[27-Jun-2007 21:22:39] <bzed> --with-libFOO
[27-Jun-2007 21:22:41] <bzed> i think
[27-Jun-2007 21:23:27] <sand_2> yea .. I commented the require and the build finished.. the bsd port on my version is still 1.4.3 .. and didn't have that patch .. interestingly.
[27-Jun-2007 21:23:38] <sand_2> trying build.sh again
[27-Jun-2007 21:26:06] <bzed> as soon as we're done with the debian packages and upstream changed all the stuff IO'm going to suggest installing zenoss should become much more easy. well, at least I hope so
[27-Jun-2007 21:26:36] <sand_2> if this works .. I can help with the port on bsd .. it would take care of all this dependency stuff you're doing now.
[27-Jun-2007 21:37:34] <bzed> the dependencies are packaged for debian
[27-Jun-2007 21:37:38] <bzed> and zenoss, too
[27-Jun-2007 21:37:42] <bzed> except for some init scripts
[27-Jun-2007 21:37:48] <bzed> but there's much stuff to improve
[27-Jun-2007 21:38:31] <bzed> I'm thinking about a proper configure way to setup all files and paths in a proper, FHS-compatible way under a given prefix
[27-Jun-2007 21:38:32] <sand_2> the build script *Appears* to be working thus far .. but it'd be fun to convert this one to a port ;-) i'll see how far I get with the sw .. and then perhaps write it .. I have quite a few nagios installations i'd like to migrate if this works better.
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:05] <bzed> you wanna start with all the dependencies
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:12] <bzed> makes no sense to ship them with a zenoss port
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:19] <sand_2> agreed..
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:38] <bzed> Depends: ${python:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, ${zope:Depends},
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:38] <bzed> adduser, dbconfig-common (>= 1.8.35), snmp,
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:38] <bzed> python-elementtree (>= 1.2.6), python-epydoc (>= 2.1),
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:38] <bzed> python-mysqldb (>= 1.2.0),
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:38] <bzed> python-pydot (>= 0.9.10), python-simplejson (>= 1.4),
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:38] <bzed> python-rrd, python-twisted (>= 2.5.0),
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:40] <bzed> python-pynetsnmp, python-wmi,
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:42] <bzed> python-twill (>= 0.8.5), python-twisted-snmp, yapps2 (>= 2.1.1),
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:44] <bzed> zope-advancedquery, zope-managableindex,
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:46] <bzed> zope-cmfcore1.6, zope-genericsetup, zope-pas, zope-pluginregistry,
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:48] <bzed> zenoss-zensocket, mysql-client-5.0 (>= 5.0.22)
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:50] <bzed> Recommends: mysql-server-5.0 (>= 5.0.22), sendpage-server, snmpd
[27-Jun-2007 21:39:54] <bzed> not sure how bsd handles the zope stuff
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:00] <sand_2> hmm
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:16] <bzed> if there's nothing to handle it properly, you probably wanna look into debian's zope-common and zope-debheler
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:20] <sand_2> separate ports..
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:30] <sand_2> drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Dec 6 2006 /usr/ports/www/zope/
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:31] <sand_2> drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Dec 6 2006 /usr/ports/www/zope-FileSystemSite/
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:31] <sand_2> drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Dec 6 2006 /usr/ports/www/zope-annotations/
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:31] <sand_2> drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Dec 6 2006 /usr/ports/www/zope-archetypes/
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:31] <sand_2> drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Dec 6 2006 /usr/ports/www/zope-btreefolder2/
[27-Jun-2007 21:40:32] <sand_2> etc..
[27-Jun-2007 21:41:02] <bzed> is there a proper way to setup an instance and add specified modules to it?
[27-Jun-2007 21:41:07] <sand_2> thos I don't see some of the ports ..
[27-Jun-2007 21:41:07] <sand_2> yes .
[27-Jun-2007 21:41:27] <bzed> and for setting up a ZEO db?
[27-Jun-2007 21:41:56] <sand_2> not sure about that .. I am not as familiar with zope .. which version of zope are we using here.. bsd suports 2.8 2.9 and 3
[27-Jun-2007 21:42:21] <bzed> 2.8 and 2.9 are fine, didn;t test 2.10 yet
[27-Jun-2007 21:43:04] <bzed> but you can;t use Five and CMFCore from the zenoss pacakaging with 2.9, that's all 2.8 stuff
[27-Jun-2007 21:43:17] <sand_2> hmm .. swig needs to be added as a dependency.
[27-Jun-2007 21:43:18] <bzed> but there's CMFCore 1.6 for zope2.9 and Five is shipped with 2.9
[27-Jun-2007 21:43:34] <bzed> sand_2: that's a build-time dep. only
[27-Jun-2007 21:43:35] <sand_2> wmi uses it for the install
[27-Jun-2007 21:43:57] <bzed> yeah
[27-Jun-2007 21:44:14] <sand_2> I am doing the build from scratch ...
[27-Jun-2007 21:44:16] <bzed> we ship the wmi stuff in an other package
[27-Jun-2007 21:44:23] <bzed> not in the zenoss pacakge
[27-Jun-2007 21:44:29] <sand_2> ahh.
[27-Jun-2007 21:44:56] <bzed> reminds me that I need to change the build stuff so it doesn;t try to build winexe on arm
[27-Jun-2007 21:45:03] <bzed> there's no mingw32 on arm
[27-Jun-2007 21:45:21] <bzed> and I don;t like to use the binary blob in the source
[27-Jun-2007 21:45:25] <sand_2> yea .. mingw32 is unarmed
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[27-Jun-2007 21:45:30] <bzed>
[27-Jun-2007 21:45:58] <sand_2> after UF and xkcd today .. I am in a pun mood.
[27-Jun-2007 21:46:15] <bzed> i have to catch up with my feedreader
[27-Jun-2007 21:48:21] <sand_2> hmm .. finally loading objects .. that's a good step ;-)
[27-Jun-2007 21:56:45] <sand_2> hmm ... instance is up .. but login no workie .. hmm ..
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[27-Jun-2007 22:12:50] <bzed> sand_2: I think admin / zenoss is username / passsword
[27-Jun-2007 22:12:52] <bzed> not sure though
[27-Jun-2007 22:13:21] <bzed> when installing the debian package the user is being asked for a username and apssword
[27-Jun-2007 22:13:22] <bzed>
[27-Jun-2007 22:14:19] <sand_2> yea.. I tried using one from build .. had to go backl and build with default
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[27-Jun-2007 22:55:08] <billly_bobb> hello
[27-Jun-2007 23:08:24] <billly_bobb> :-(
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[28-Jun-2007 05:14:10] <Lejano> hello all..Got a question about zenoss anybody can answer?
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[28-Jun-2007 06:16:48] <Slidey> with zenoss, can i have a spearate user logging into a web interface that can only see graphs? and maybe configure a different subset of graphs for a different user ?
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[28-Jun-2007 07:13:57] <tripitaka> Hi, I can't see anything in the admin guide about nrpe. Is it supported in zenoss?
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[28-Jun-2007 09:29:18] <withoutend> Hello everyone
[28-Jun-2007 09:30:54] <withoutend> I've got a quick question, if anyone is available
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[28-Jun-2007 09:51:39] <soloman> hello
[28-Jun-2007 09:52:30] <soloman> I got a question: if my script which I want to monitor prints: somevalue=35 should DataPoint name be "somevalue" to collect the value?
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[28-Jun-2007 10:39:41] <FelipeBare> does zenoss monitor oracle databases ?
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[28-Jun-2007 11:06:33] <moredakka> anyone know if in v2.0 or the next release if there is going to be an option for alerting only if multi components fail?
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[28-Jun-2007 11:11:41] <MikeConigliaro> hey guys, i noticed that a system wont be autodiscovered unless it has snmp running. what about in the case of windows servers? can autodiscovery work with wmi too?
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[28-Jun-2007 11:32:15] <dubie> hi, I got zenoss working great on fedora cor6; however, I changed the hostname of my fedora box and now zenoss dows not respond at address:8080
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[28-Jun-2007 12:16:06] <moredakka> anyone know if in v2.0 or the next release if there is going to be an option for alerting only if multi components fail?
[28-Jun-2007 12:20:40] <jeisenberg> i am hoping so moredakka
[28-Jun-2007 12:21:29] <Slidey> what language are zenoss plugins written in? python?
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[28-Jun-2007 12:38:57] <moredakka> Slidey: I'm pretty sure that most everything is written in python
[28-Jun-2007 12:39:53] <jeisenberg> same here. not knowing python is an issue. the documentation is very sparse. (that is even an understatement)
[28-Jun-2007 12:42:57] <soloman> how can it be? TestDP threshold of 80 exceeded: current value 66.00
[28-Jun-2007 12:43:11] <soloman> min Threshold is 40 Max is 80
[28-Jun-2007 12:43:26] <soloman> but 66 generates an exceeded Event
[28-Jun-2007 12:43:37] <moredakka> Spike?
[28-Jun-2007 12:44:01] <moredakka> anyone know what log file shows the incoming traps?
[28-Jun-2007 12:44:08] <moredakka> (v1.1.1)
[28-Jun-2007 12:51:39] <Slidey> hrm - that pretty much writes zenoss out as an option for us then
[28-Jun-2007 12:51:44] <Slidey> strike another one
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[28-Jun-2007 13:25:39] <bmunger> i looked through the docs and screen shots, but couldnt find out if zenoss supports disk usage monitoring
[28-Jun-2007 13:25:51] <bmunger> is that one of the things it does?
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[28-Jun-2007 13:31:48] <MikeConigliaro> bmunger: yes
[28-Jun-2007 13:36:49] <jeisenberg> can anyone here tell me what i need to do to move templates from a specific device to a specific class?
[28-Jun-2007 13:37:00] <jeisenberg> those are perf templates btw
[28-Jun-2007 13:40:09] <jeisenberg> anyone?
[28-Jun-2007 13:44:24] <rkagin> jeisenberg: The only way I know how to do it is to recreate it, or add it to a zenpack and then export/import in a new directory.
[28-Jun-2007 13:45:23] <jeisenberg> i added it to a zenpack but i do not know how to import it to the device class directory. we are only talking about 40-45 oids...
[28-Jun-2007 13:45:24] <jeisenberg> lol
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[28-Jun-2007 13:47:13] <rkagin> jeisenberg: Well it would be a heck of a lot to recreate. Try this out: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/what-is-a-zenpack/
[28-Jun-2007 13:47:13] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[28-Jun-2007 13:48:52] <bmunger> thank you MikeConigliaro
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[28-Jun-2007 14:21:18] <aleron> is it just me or does the XML::RPC method of sending events to zenoss not work anymore? (using perl)
[28-Jun-2007 14:23:02] <aleron> ...I see this place is as active as ever.
[28-Jun-2007 14:28:07] <soloman> it's not working for me too
[28-Jun-2007 14:30:39] <aleron> I was having segfaults with zenevents under 1.x so I upgraded to 2.0, but now I don't have custom events working. wget method doesn't work either.
[28-Jun-2007 14:30:57] <aleron> I think I may switch to HP openview
[28-Jun-2007 14:31:01] <aleron> zenoss is kinda suckin
[28-Jun-2007 14:31:36] <jeisenberg> i would like zenoss if there was a little more documentation. it is not a bad system, just not documented properly.
[28-Jun-2007 14:36:38] <aleron> I would love it if features consistently worked. The simpleDashboard doesn't work in newer 1.x or 2.0 either. And the login mechanism changed so you can't have anonymous access to zope objects within the zenoss control structure.
[28-Jun-2007 14:37:01] <aleron> the rate of new features is occluded by stuff breaking all the time.
[28-Jun-2007 14:39:24] <soloman> does anybody know how to make snmp return an integer value not strings?
[28-Jun-2007 14:43:13] <aleron> like on the command line w/ snmpwalk?
[28-Jun-2007 14:46:16] <soloman> snmpwalk returns UCD-SNMP-MIB::extOutput.1 = STRING: 50 it's a string but zenoss count it as integer
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[28-Jun-2007 14:46:53] <soloman> so it creates thresholds like "TestDP threshold of 80 exceeded: current value 50.00"
[28-Jun-2007 14:47:13] <soloman> maximum is 80 and 50 is less than 80
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[28-Jun-2007 14:47:54] <aleron> yea I got you. There is a flag for snmp walk to make it return only OIDs and integers, but as far as getting zenoss to probe it as an int instead of a string, beats me. You would probably have to get into the code to fix it.
[28-Jun-2007 14:52:13] <soloman> I've already fixed for thresholds but I didn't think that zenoss has such dirty errors
[28-Jun-2007 14:53:09] <aleron> hah
[28-Jun-2007 14:53:14] <aleron> yea get used to it
[28-Jun-2007 14:56:12] <soloman> but maybe there's a way to make snmpd return integers?
[28-Jun-2007 14:56:59] <aleron> possibly.
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[28-Jun-2007 15:03:38] <soloman> my snmpd runs a file via exec directive and reads output from that file and send it tp zenoss
[28-Jun-2007 15:03:54] <soloman> and send String which Zenoss treats as Integer
[28-Jun-2007 15:04:25] <soloman> anybody knows how to fix it without source editing?
[28-Jun-2007 15:16:22] <moredakka> Anyone know how to get CentOS to send traps?
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[28-Jun-2007 17:33:00] <rkagin> If anyone can help me: I created a template in the /Devices category, and it seems to be working in /Network/Router/Devices, but when I look at an individual device, and look at the templates affecting it, it doesn't have the template I created. Why is this the case, what's going wrong, or what did I do wrong (more importantly, how do I correct it)?
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[28-Jun-2007 18:31:26] <mapex> Is there a way, or has anyone got something documented on how to see a bandwidth overview for a bunch of ports at once?
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[28-Jun-2007 20:10:57] <somealias> is there a known issue with the zenwin daemon in 2.0, or did i miss something that tells you that you need pywin to run on your zenoss server?
[28-Jun-2007 20:55:59] <mapex> wtf, there's no make command on the vmware appliance, can't even install vmtools
[28-Jun-2007 21:04:44] <thedude-42> i'm going to assume most folks are having issues with the wmi components with 2.0
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[29-Jun-2007 02:32:47] <jreese> anyone here have much experience with the REST API for zenoss?
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[29-Jun-2007 02:47:09] <jreese> actually, my issue seems to be with zope, not zenoss
[29-Jun-2007 02:47:33] <jreese> trying to get a device with a case insensitive name
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[29-Jun-2007 04:36:11] <jreese> can't do what i wanted... ended up changing my DataCollector to make sure everything is in upper case... meh
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[29-Jun-2007 10:11:21] <Bulwinkle> Anyone know how I can differentiate between VLANs and PortChannels in CiscoIOS?
[29-Jun-2007 10:12:31] <cluther> Bulwinkle: They're both of type "propVirtual" right?
[29-Jun-2007 10:13:14] <Bulwinkle> cluther: Unfortunately yes.... I want to collect stats for the portchannels but the VLANs keep on throwing back SNMP errors on the OIDs
[29-Jun-2007 10:14:16] <cluther> Bulwinkle: The only way to do it would be to cause them to be a different type. This could be done in the InterfaceMap data collector plugin. Let me show you what I mean..
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[29-Jun-2007 10:14:53] * Bulwinkle is watching
[29-Jun-2007 10:15:27] <cluther> Bulwinkle: 2.x?
[29-Jun-2007 10:15:47] <Bulwinkle> cluther: yeppers
[29-Jun-2007 10:16:03] <cluther> Great, we'll make it a ZenPack.
[29-Jun-2007 10:16:32] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Go to Settings/ZenPacks and add a new one. Call it whatever you want.. MyCustomPack or something.
[29-Jun-2007 10:17:24] <Bulwinkle> okie
[29-Jun-2007 10:17:51] <soloman> Hi! Can someone help me? I have an SNMP directive 'exec' which run an application and pass it's output to Zenoss. The output looks like: UCD-SNMP-MIB::extOutput.1 = STRING: 55
[29-Jun-2007 10:18:27] <soloman> but zenoss can't parse thresholds and build graphs for this value because it's a string while zenoss expect INTEGER
[29-Jun-2007 10:19:06] <soloman> how can I make zenoss understand the extOutput values?
[29-Jun-2007 10:19:11] <cluther> soloman: You'll need to use Net-SNMP's "pass" or "pass_persist" instead of exec if you want integers.
[29-Jun-2007 10:19:34] <soloman> cluther: one minutes I'll give a try
[29-Jun-2007 10:19:46] <cluther> soloman: Check out the SNMP::Persist module on CPAN for an easy way to do this with Perl.
[29-Jun-2007 10:19:54] <cluther> Bulwinkle: So you have that empty ZenPack now?
[29-Jun-2007 10:20:18] <Bulwinkle> cluther: yeppers
[29-Jun-2007 10:20:45] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Now see if you have a directory called $ZENHOME/Products/MyCustomPack
[29-Jun-2007 10:20:50] <soloman> cluther: and how can I find MIB for this value then?
[29-Jun-2007 10:21:33] <Bulwinkle> cluther: Its there
[29-Jun-2007 10:23:41] <cluther> soloman: You make it up. If your organization already has an enterprise MIB number assignment you should put it there.
[29-Jun-2007 10:23:56] <cluther> soloman: Otherwise you could use the extension point on the NetSNMP MIB.. looking that up..
[29-Jun-2007 10:26:44] <soloman> my organisation doesn't have any enterprise MIB number assignments
[29-Jun-2007 10:26:52] <cluther> soloman: Somewhere on the UCD experimental branch would be good: 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.??
[29-Jun-2007 10:27:40] <cluther> soloman: Check out http://support.ipmonitor.com/mibs_byoidtree.aspx?oid=1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13#h to see what's available.
[29-Jun-2007 10:27:40] <adytum-bot> Title: ipMonitor Support Portal :: Mibs (at support.ipmonitor.com)
[29-Jun-2007 10:27:42] <cluther> soloman: It looks like only 1, 14, 15 and 16 are taken so far.
[29-Jun-2007 10:27:58] <cluther> soloman: So you could grab 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.100 or something like that.
[29-Jun-2007 10:28:27] <soloman> cluther: ok and how can I set this MIB to my script?
[29-Jun-2007 10:29:00] <cluther> Bulwinkle: ok, great.. there should be a directory within it called modelers/plugins
[29-Jun-2007 10:29:41] <Bulwinkle> cluther: got them
[29-Jun-2007 10:29:55] <cluther> soloman: The SNMP::Persist module explains how to set the base OID in the docs: http://search.cpan.org/~anias/SNMP-Persist-0.05/lib/SNMP/Persist.pm
[29-Jun-2007 10:29:55] <adytum-bot> Title: SNMP::Persist - The SNMP pass_persist threaded backend - search.cpan.org (at search.cpan.org)
[29-Jun-2007 10:30:01] <soloman> cluther: ok thank you very much
[29-Jun-2007 10:30:49] <cluther> Bulwinkle: What you want to do is copy the stock InterfaceMap plugin to your zenpack so you can modify it. So cp $ZENHOME/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/InterfaceMap.py to $ZENHOME/Products/MyCustomPack/modeler/plugins/CustomInterfaceMap.py
[29-Jun-2007 10:32:50] <Bulwinkle> cluther: alrighty
[29-Jun-2007 10:32:56] <Bulwinkle> cluther: done that
[29-Jun-2007 10:33:19] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Now edit that new CustomInterfaceMap.py file.
[29-Jun-2007 10:33:59] <Bulwinkle> cluther: okie dokie, got it in nano
[29-Jun-2007 10:34:02] <cluther> Bulwinkle: First thing is to replace all mentions of InterfaceMap with CustomInterfaceMap. The class needs renamed.. docs, etc.
[29-Jun-2007 10:35:26] <Bulwinkle> cluther: will a global search and replace take care of it?
[29-Jun-2007 10:36:06] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Yup. After that you'll need to change the "maptype =" part near line 35 back to InterfaceMap. That's the only one that doesn't need changed.
[29-Jun-2007 10:37:02] <Bulwinkle> cluther: alright, global replace ... CHECK, maptype change back ... CHECK
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[29-Jun-2007 10:37:56] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Now to make the real change. Somewhere around line 134 you'll find: om.type = self.ifTypes.get(str(om.type), "Unknown")
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[29-Jun-2007 10:38:54] <Bulwinkle> cluther: got it
[29-Jun-2007 10:39:31] <cluther> Bulwinkle: This is setting the type based on the value returned by the ifType SNMP request. We need to add a little conditional right under this line that goes like..
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[29-Jun-2007 10:40:16] <cluther> Bulwinkle: if om.id.startswith('port-channel'): om.type = 'PortChannel'
[29-Jun-2007 10:40:38] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Your port-channel interfaces do look like that, right? "port-channel #"
[29-Jun-2007 10:40:45] <cluther> Bulwinkle: case is important.
[29-Jun-2007 10:41:23] <Bulwinkle> cluther: looking....
[29-Jun-2007 10:43:40] <MoreDakka> cluther: In v1.1.1 where does zenoss store the logs for snmptraps?
[29-Jun-2007 10:44:01] <Bulwinkle> cluther: okay, here is one of the things.... on the CatOS Cisco switches everything is handled correctly... VLAN results have error counters and all of the good stuff.... Its the IOS for switches that has the problems....
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[29-Jun-2007 10:44:50] <cluther> Bulwinkle: That won't be a problem.. just make sure you get the name of the interface to match that .startswith for your IOS devices.
[29-Jun-2007 10:45:02] <Bulwinkle> cluther: let me see what the port channels start with on IOS
[29-Jun-2007 10:45:15] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Seems crazy that a VLAN would have error counters though.
[29-Jun-2007 10:46:27] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I think they are aggregate errors for all interfaces assigned to that VLAN
[29-Jun-2007 10:47:38] <Bulwinkle> cluther: this may take a bit, I had to add a switch running IOS with port-channeled interfaces
[29-Jun-2007 10:48:25] <cluther> Bulwinkle: No problem. I have about an hour left.
[29-Jun-2007 10:48:54] <cluther> moredakka: Nowhere.
[29-Jun-2007 10:49:24] <Bulwinkle> cluther: hrmmmm interface index:0 not found.....
[29-Jun-2007 10:49:26] <cluther> moredakka: You'd be best served by running a tcpdump on port 162/udp and writing it to a file -w.
[29-Jun-2007 10:49:40] <cluther> moredakka: Then you can use tcpdump or ethereal (wireshark) to see exactly what traps came in.
[29-Jun-2007 10:49:55] <cluther> cluther: Don't worry about that.. it's probably just a route thing.
[29-Jun-2007 10:50:01] <MoreDakka> ah, alright, thanks again cluther.
[29-Jun-2007 10:50:04] <cluther> that was for Bulwinkle .
[29-Jun-2007 10:50:14] <MoreDakka> hehe...unles you were talking to yourself
[29-Jun-2007 10:50:20] <cluther> I do that all the time.
[29-Jun-2007 10:50:31] <MoreDakka> haha
[29-Jun-2007 10:50:48] <cluther> It's an artifact from when I was the only person on this channel.
[29-Jun-2007 10:50:58] <Bulwinkle> cluther: gotcha.... Zope.SiteErrorLog too..... Ah well, let me find the portchannel identifier
[29-Jun-2007 10:51:03] <MoreDakka> talking to yourself isn't bad, it's just when you start responding...that's the problem.
[29-Jun-2007 10:52:58] <Bulwinkle> cluther: so now.... should it be what the interface is called under the os portion of the switch? like FA8/9 ?
[29-Jun-2007 10:53:37] <cluther> Bulwinkle: crap.. you have the weird InterfaceMap.
[29-Jun-2007 10:54:00] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I have the one that came with 2.0.0
[29-Jun-2007 10:54:08] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Let's fix that first before we finish the customer plugin. Edit your $ZENHOME/Products/DataCollector/zenoss/snmp/InterfaceMap.py
[29-Jun-2007 10:54:51] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Right about line 57 should be something that looks like '.#' : 'id',
[29-Jun-2007 10:55:07] <cluther> Bulwinkle: with description right below it.
[29-Jun-2007 10:55:52] <cluther> Bulwinkle: You need to delete that whole line with "id" on it so that the map only contains description and highSpeed
[29-Jun-2007 10:56:53] <cluther> cluther: Someone snuck that in there right before the release of 2.0.. it causes the interface names to be the short variety instead of the proper "FastEthernet8/9"
[29-Jun-2007 10:57:08] <Bulwinkle> cluther: how is this going to affect everything else?
[29-Jun-2007 10:57:22] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Next time your interfaces get modeled, they will have the correct names.
[29-Jun-2007 10:57:45] <Bulwinkle> cluther: graphs and stuff will all be cool right?
[29-Jun-2007 10:58:16] <cluther> Bulwinkle: The interface graphs will start over unfortunately. It's better this happens now than later when you upgrade to 2.0.1 or later.
[29-Jun-2007 10:58:37] * Bulwinkle kicks ZenOSS
[29-Jun-2007 10:59:03] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I just commented that line out cool enough?
[29-Jun-2007 10:59:07] <cluther> Bulwinkle: It is possible to keep the graphs, but it is a lot of work.
[29-Jun-2007 10:59:09] <cluther> Bulwinkle: yes
[29-Jun-2007 10:59:27] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Do the same for your CustomInterfaceMap too.
[29-Jun-2007 10:59:42] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I'd have to go in a rename the fa*_* to fastethernet*_* right?
[29-Jun-2007 11:00:31] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Yeah.. under perf/Devices/devName/os/ there is a directory for each interface. You'd shut zenoss down and renamed each of those directories to FastEthernet#_#
[29-Jun-2007 11:00:45] <Bulwinkle> eh Screw it
[29-Jun-2007 11:01:16] <Bulwinkle> cluther: do I need to restart before I add in a new device and get the portchannel?
[29-Jun-2007 11:01:34] <cluther> Bulwinkle: You only need to restart zope "zopectl restart"
[29-Jun-2007 11:02:14] <cluther> Bulwinkle: To get your other devices remodeled down the line you'd also restart the zenmodeler daemon.
[29-Jun-2007 11:02:41] <Bulwinkle> cluther: will the old rdd files stay there too?
[29-Jun-2007 11:03:03] <cluther> Bulwinkle: They will, but zenperfsnmp actually cleans up unused RRD files after a month.
[29-Jun-2007 11:04:50] <Bulwinkle> cluther: adding a new device with PortChannels
[29-Jun-2007 11:05:56] <Bulwinkle> cluther: not adding it....
[29-Jun-2007 11:06:36] <cluther> Bulwinkle: The device or interface?
[29-Jun-2007 11:06:55] <Bulwinkle> cluther: the device.... what have you done?
[29-Jun-2007 11:07:30] <Bulwinkle> cluther: the deviceloader page comes back blank....
[29-Jun-2007 11:07:51] <cluther> Bulwinkle: hmm.. try restarting zenmodeler.
[29-Jun-2007 11:08:34] <Bulwinkle> cluther: nada
[29-Jun-2007 11:08:47] <Bulwinkle> cluther: should I just restart the whole thing?
[29-Jun-2007 11:09:01] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I suppose so.
[29-Jun-2007 11:09:36] <Bulwinkle> cluther: and you though this was gonna be easy
[29-Jun-2007 11:10:04] <cluther> Bulwinkle: As we go down the rabbit hole..
[29-Jun-2007 11:10:51] <Bulwinkle> cluther: still nothing... did I hose something up... maybe a permission change?
[29-Jun-2007 11:11:12] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Check out your log/event.log to see if any errors are popping up/
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[29-Jun-2007 11:13:30] <Bulwinkle> cluther: last entry : INFO Zope Ready to handle requests
[29-Jun-2007 11:15:44] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Try modeling an existing device from the command line "zenmodeler run -v 10 --device=devName"
[29-Jun-2007 11:17:20] <soloman> cluther: thank you for your help, now it works with pass_persist
i spent 2 days trying to get it worked [29-Jun-2007 11:18:20] <cluther> soloman: pass_persist is very cool. You can create complex MIBs with tables and such.
[29-Jun-2007 11:18:29] <Bulwinkle> cluther: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/111278
[29-Jun-2007 11:18:29] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[29-Jun-2007 11:18:41] <soloman> cluther: yeah I see now the power of this method
[29-Jun-2007 11:21:14] <cluther> Bulwinkle: That looks perfect.. so no help there. Could you close your browser out and retry in case it's a session caching thing?
[29-Jun-2007 11:21:34] <Bulwinkle> cluther: one sec
[29-Jun-2007 11:22:44] <Bulwinkle> cluther: nada still
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[29-Jun-2007 11:24:12] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Do you have another IOS switch you could try?
[29-Jun-2007 11:24:22] <Bulwinkle> sure
[29-Jun-2007 11:24:49] <Bulwinkle> cluther: nada
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[29-Jun-2007 11:29:20] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Once you click Add, the next page comes up immediately and is blank, right?
[29-Jun-2007 11:29:58] <Bulwinkle> cluther: yeppers
[29-Jun-2007 11:32:59] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Try adding the device with the discovery protcol set to none.
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[29-Jun-2007 11:34:18] <Bulwinkle> cluther: nope... nada
[29-Jun-2007 11:37:44] <soloman> cluther: is there a module in python similar to SNMP::Persist?
[29-Jun-2007 11:38:24] <cluther> soloman: Not that I've been able to find. Maybe it's something you could do?
[29-Jun-2007 11:39:21] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Man.. try stopping zope "zopectl stop" removing the persistent cache "rm $ZENHOME/var/zeo1-1.zec then starting zope again
[29-Jun-2007 11:40:02] <soloman> cluther: this module looks simple, maybe I'll find time to port it to python
[29-Jun-2007 11:41:02] <cluther> soloman: Check out the man page for snmpd.conf. Look at the section for the pass_persist syntax. It actually tells you what it sends to the script, and what it expects back.
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[29-Jun-2007 11:42:06] <soloman> but I wonder why this module is still not ported because zenoss is written on python. I guess lots of people needs tasks like my one to be done. I mean collecting data from certain data sources like scripts. Does all of them deal with SNMP::Persist
[29-Jun-2007 11:42:56] <cluther> soloman: Well, zenoss didn't write the snmp::persist module. We're not the only SNMP monitoring platform in the world.. (yet)
[29-Jun-2007 11:44:02] <soloman> cluther: so there are no other way to monitor scripts output yet, right?
[29-Jun-2007 11:44:08] <Bulwinkle> cluther: nothing dude....
[29-Jun-2007 11:44:10] <soloman> I mean with zenoss
[29-Jun-2007 11:44:20] <Bulwinkle> cluther: should I back out my changes?
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[29-Jun-2007 11:44:36] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Yeah, go ahead.. but I have a feeling it isn't going to make a difference.
[29-Jun-2007 11:44:56] <Bulwinkle> cluther: you aren't exactly filling me with confidence
[29-Jun-2007 11:44:57] <cluther> soloman: We support Nagios and Cacti plugin output natively.
[29-Jun-2007 11:45:20] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I only say that because those changes should not have caused this kind of behavior.
[29-Jun-2007 11:45:37] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Just the fact that the zenmodeler ran fine from the command line indicates that the plugins are working.
[29-Jun-2007 11:48:02] <soloman> cluther: what Nagios or Cacti plugins can my task like my one?
[29-Jun-2007 11:48:24] <Bulwinkle> cluther: undid my change, restarted Zenoss .... nada
[29-Jun-2007 11:48:39] <Bulwinkle> let me restart my server
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[29-Jun-2007 11:50:11] <cluther> soloman: What are you trying to see?
[29-Jun-2007 11:50:49] <soloman> my script outputs some digital value from 1 to 100 - this is what I want to monitor
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[29-Jun-2007 11:50:59] <soloman> via SNMP
[29-Jun-2007 11:51:40] <cluther> soloman: via SNMP pass_persist is the only way to handle it. If you can do it via SSH a COMMAND type data source could be used.
[29-Jun-2007 11:51:54] <cluther> soloman: Of course the overhead of doing it via SSH is way higher if you have a lot of these to monitor.
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[29-Jun-2007 11:53:26] <soloman> cluther: ok great, pass_persist is enough for me now
[29-Jun-2007 11:53:39] <soloman> cluther: are you from dev team of zenoss?
[29-Jun-2007 11:53:57] <cluther> soloman: No, just part of the client services group.
[29-Jun-2007 11:56:50] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I'm doing som other cleanup too... You're not waiting on me are you?
[29-Jun-2007 11:57:46] <cluther> Bulwinkle: No, although I would like to see the resolution to this. I have to hit the road in about 20 minutes.
[29-Jun-2007 11:58:18] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I'm deleting some old vmware snapshots.... it may be a while
[29-Jun-2007 11:58:39] <cluther> Bulwinkle: ok..
[29-Jun-2007 11:59:29] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I made the mistake of making my disk 12Gb (should have been plenty)... I'm at 83% now...
[29-Jun-2007 12:00:20] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Ok. When you get back to it, you'll have to replace the zenoss.snmp.InterfaceMap with your "CustomInterfaceMap" in the zDataCollectorPlugins for your network gear. This will allow it to collect the modified "type" for the port-channel interfaces.
[29-Jun-2007 12:00:41] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Then you'll be able to create a "PortChannel" performance template that is applied to the port channels specifically.
[29-Jun-2007 12:01:02] <Bulwinkle> cluther: will you be back today?
[29-Jun-2007 12:01:08] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I'd recommend adding that new performance template to your custom ZenPack too for completeness' sake.
[29-Jun-2007 12:01:18] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Afraid not, I'm out of town for the weekend.
[29-Jun-2007 12:01:28] <Bulwinkle> cluther: monday?
[29-Jun-2007 12:01:34] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Yeah, I'll be back.
[29-Jun-2007 12:01:56] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I've been wanting to upgrade my vm server anyways... I'll just circle back with you Monday
[29-Jun-2007 12:02:10] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Great. Talk to you then.
[29-Jun-2007 12:03:15] <Bulwinkle> cluther: have a good weekend
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[29-Jun-2007 13:07:23] <Bulwinkle> does anyone have any idea why my zenhub might keep dying?
[29-Jun-2007 13:12:54] <MoreDakka_> Sorry, don't know that one as I'm on v1.1.1, however I do have a question as well. I don't know much about snmp, why is zenoss only receiving traps about snmp another nothing else?
[29-Jun-2007 13:14:14] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: I don't know anything about 1.1.1
[29-Jun-2007 13:16:26] <MoreDakka_> I'm assuming you have traps going on 2.0?
[29-Jun-2007 13:16:51] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: yep
[29-Jun-2007 13:19:16] <MoreDakka_> Do all your devices send all the proper traps (like shutdowns, reboots, packet loss...etc...etc)? And does Zenoss read them properly?
[29-Jun-2007 13:19:44] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: all of my network devices do
[29-Jun-2007 13:21:14] <MoreDakka_> Bah.....I'm trying to get a CentOS 4.4 box to send traps to Zenoss and all I'm getting is snmp traps, nothing else. We've also got other devices sending traps to zenoss and it seems that zenoss isn't getting them or not processing them (have those same devices sending traps to solarwinds monitoring and it seels all the traps)....so I'm confused on why zenoss isn't reading all the traps.
[29-Jun-2007 13:22:20] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: do you mean it is not receiving them or not formatting them properly
[29-Jun-2007 13:22:40] <MoreDakka_> Well i'm unsure if zenoss is even getting them as there are no log files that show that information.
[29-Jun-2007 13:25:09] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: that would definitely be a starting point
[29-Jun-2007 13:25:43] <MoreDakka_> Well I know that zenoss is getting some of the traps but it seems that other traps that are being sent out aren't getting to zenoss or not being processed by zenoss
[29-Jun-2007 13:26:07] <MoreDakka_> We have the solarwinds trial running as well and it's receiving traps that aren't showing up in zenoss
[29-Jun-2007 13:29:11] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: *Shrug*
[29-Jun-2007 13:29:24] <MoreDakka_> Yeah, I'm doing the same thing here :-/
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[29-Jun-2007 13:51:24] <bmunger> does zenoss have the ability to monitor processes on the machines it monitors?
[29-Jun-2007 13:51:38] <MoreDakka_> yes
[29-Jun-2007 13:51:59] <bmunger> by default or with another addon? i dont have it installed yet
[29-Jun-2007 13:52:23] <MoreDakka_> by default. just setup snmp on the device and you're good to go.
[29-Jun-2007 13:52:41] <bmunger> oh ok didnt know snmp had that ability, thats cool
[29-Jun-2007 13:52:42] <MoreDakka_> zenoss "should" auto discover alot of stuff to monitor.
[29-Jun-2007 13:53:07] <MoreDakka_> Well zenoss checks most everything via snmp
[29-Jun-2007 13:53:24] <MoreDakka_> that and custom commands to monitor things like telnet and ssh..etc..
[29-Jun-2007 13:54:00] <MoreDakka_> example, I have a set of commands that monitor tcp port 2003 2004 2005 and 2006 on a set of boxes.
[29-Jun-2007 13:54:24] <MoreDakka_> It takes some configuring to get it the way you want it but it works quite well, the devs did a good job on this one.
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[29-Jun-2007 13:56:20] <bmunger> yea see we are using big brother and it uses agents on the machines to report processes etc
[29-Jun-2007 13:56:28] <bmunger> so snmp would be a better approach
[29-Jun-2007 13:56:51] <MoreDakka_> yep, specially if you are monitoring a company that doesn't like to do changes to their system
[29-Jun-2007 13:57:01] <MoreDakka_> The only thing you might need to install is the SNMP-Informant.
[29-Jun-2007 13:57:07] <bmunger> ok
[29-Jun-2007 13:57:26] <MoreDakka_> Just for windows boxes as MS doesn't like to give out some information in a very nice way
[29-Jun-2007 13:59:32] <MoreDakka_> (ue)
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[29-Jun-2007 20:52:54] <chowmeined> I am using the vmware appliance and there are some events that come up, but they are false: "localhost.localdomain zenping heartbeat failure"
[29-Jun-2007 20:55:04] <chowmeined> any ideas on how to make these events stop coming up? All the daemons show up as 'green' under the settings > daemons panel
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[30-Jun-2007 06:34:50] <noctmz> hey peoples
[30-Jun-2007 06:34:53] <noctmz> have a quick question
[30-Jun-2007 06:36:34] <noctmz> i'm using fc6 used the el5 rpm installed no problem diables firewall and all that and when i run zenoss i get zeoctl error
[30-Jun-2007 06:36:44] <noctmz> no such file or directory
[30-Jun-2007 06:41:51] <noctmz> hello
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[30-Jun-2007 18:04:12] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Genshi Templates in Nevow - 11 Apr, 05:04PM
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[30-Jun-2007 19:29:36] <bilke> hi people
[30-Jun-2007 19:29:54] <bilke> i have problem with zenoss installation (from source) on freebsd 5.3
[30-Jun-2007 19:30:08] <bilke> zenping is malfunctioning
[30-Jun-2007 19:30:20] <bilke> and keep filling my event log with following message:
[30-Jun-2007 19:30:49] <bilke> 203.212.121.2 sendto error short format requires 0<=number<=USHRT_MAX
[30-Jun-2007 19:31:15] <bilke> is there any workaround for this ?
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[30-Jun-2007 19:37:55] <bilke> anyone ?
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