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[01-Sep-2006 10:28:53] <skopii> ahoy hoy #zenoss
[01-Sep-2006 10:29:23] <skopii> I have no idea why I am getting the error "ImportError: No module named Globals
[01-Sep-2006 10:29:32] <skopii> while trying to start zenping
[01-Sep-2006 10:29:59] <skopii> I added the lines (at ~22) to zenping.py:
[01-Sep-2006 10:30:00] <skopii> s.environ['PYTHONPATH']="/usr/local/zenoss/lib/python:/usr/local/zenoss"
[01-Sep-2006 10:30:00] <skopii> print os.environ['PYTHONPATH']
[01-Sep-2006 10:30:19] <skopii> it prints: /usr/local/zenoss/lib/python:/usr/local/zenoss
[01-Sep-2006 10:31:14] <skopii> -rwxr-xr-x 1 zenoss zenoss 1615 May 11 2004 /usr/local/zenoss/lib/python/Globals.py
[01-Sep-2006 10:32:30] <skopii> I guess ther is no one out there
[01-Sep-2006 10:32:44] <skopii> but this is wild, I see no reason why it would not import the mod...
[01-Sep-2006 10:51:39] <skopii> alright, I figured it out...RTFM!!! <3 sudo
[01-Sep-2006 10:52:01] <skopii> also, I think ping can be setuid root so any user can use it...
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[01-Sep-2006 12:26:24] <Kevin> hi
[01-Sep-2006 12:26:47] <Kevin> is it possible to use Zenoss for bandwidth monitoring?
[01-Sep-2006 12:29:56] <Kevin> <ding>
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[01-Sep-2006 12:51:40] <Kevin> hi everyone
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[01-Sep-2006 14:22:26] <dustobub> i am trying to get snmp-informant working to view performance graphs on my windows boxes, is there anything else I have to do with Zenoss after I install snmp-informant?
[01-Sep-2006 14:22:37] <dustobub> do I have to change perfconf?
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[01-Sep-2006 15:23:38] <Kevin> hi
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[03-Sep-2006 01:35:52] <laptop_crash3m> junix|work: fancy seeing you here
[03-Sep-2006 01:36:08] <foo> laptop_crash3m: Fancy seeing you here.
[03-Sep-2006 01:36:15] <laptop_crash3m> heh
[03-Sep-2006 01:36:17] <foo>
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[03-Sep-2006 15:14:51] <pd222> Hi all
[03-Sep-2006 15:15:07] <pd222> I was just installing zenoss looking at the INSTALL.txt
[03-Sep-2006 15:15:25] <pd222> Configure the username and password for zenperfsnmp in the config file
[03-Sep-2006 15:15:31] <pd222> what does this part do
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[03-Sep-2006 15:43:27] <laptop_crash3m> i'm going to guess polls remote systems via snmp for
[03-Sep-2006 15:43:30] <laptop_crash3m> stick around and find out :/
[04-Sep-2006 06:31:46] <skopii> what is the best time to catch the zenoss developers in here?
[04-Sep-2006 06:31:57] <skopii> I wouldn't mind picking their brains
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[05-Sep-2006 01:07:43] <laptop_crash3m> skopii: dunno, I've been here all weekend and havent noticed anyone looking developerish yet
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[05-Sep-2006 11:11:25] <b_52Free> :~/zenoss-0.22.2$ ./install.sh
[05-Sep-2006 11:11:25] <b_52Free> Unable to find python build environment
[05-Sep-2006 11:11:35] <b_52Free> python is installed
[05-Sep-2006 11:14:00] <b_52Free> echo $PYTHON
[05-Sep-2006 11:14:00] <b_52Free>
[05-Sep-2006 11:14:03] <b_52Free> is empty
[05-Sep-2006 11:14:04] <b_52Free> hm
[05-Sep-2006 11:27:33] <b_52Free> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/000642.html
[05-Sep-2006 11:27:33] <b_52Free> no answer
[05-Sep-2006 11:27:33] <b_52Free> :d
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[05-Sep-2006 12:25:47] <b_52Free> the solution was to install python-dev
[05-Sep-2006 12:25:48] <b_52Free> packages
[05-Sep-2006 12:34:23] <b_52Free> any one around
[05-Sep-2006 12:35:50] <oubiwann> yup
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[05-Sep-2006 12:58:29] <b_52Free> eoooooooooooo
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[06-Sep-2006 06:12:18] <b_52Free> someone there ?
[06-Sep-2006 06:45:09] <b_52Free> hm
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[06-Sep-2006 19:33:50] <em-dash> this channel is for the zenoss of www.zenoss.org, correct?
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[07-Sep-2006 07:10:27] <rexsum> are the custom patches for pysnmp and twisted included in a new revision of those packages?
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[07-Sep-2006 09:39:38] <rexsum> 2006-09-07 12:02:12 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: Unresponsive devices: [['dyn165', 1, 28]]
[07-Sep-2006 09:39:53] <rexsum> it reads out and monitors processes on the device
[07-Sep-2006 09:40:10] <rexsum> but empty perf graphs and this error in the logs
[07-Sep-2006 09:40:46] <rexsum> any idea why
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[07-Sep-2006 11:32:27] <rexsum> the dtnl files in the zenoss tree are they used at all?
[07-Sep-2006 11:32:34] <rexsum> dtml even
[07-Sep-2006 11:37:50] <creiht> rexsum: I would guess that they are used to render pages in the web interface
[07-Sep-2006 11:38:21] <rexsum> yeah but i've looked at the pages and cant say i ever encountered them in the webinterface
[07-Sep-2006 11:38:39] <rexsum> just trying to determine the relevant zenoss files in the project tree and how it interacts with zope
[07-Sep-2006 11:38:52] <rexsum> is zope itself usefull? or slowly ying?
[07-Sep-2006 11:38:59] <rexsum> *dying even
[07-Sep-2006 11:41:03] <creiht> rexsum: Depends on who you ask
[07-Sep-2006 11:41:48] <creiht> Personally I think zope will still be around for a while
[07-Sep-2006 11:42:06] <creiht> There are a couple of advantages that the zenoss app takes advantage of with zope
[07-Sep-2006 11:42:21] <rexsum> yeah i figured that
[07-Sep-2006 11:42:25] <creiht> 1. With ZODB you get automatic change control for your devices
[07-Sep-2006 11:42:34] <creiht> and other configuration information
[07-Sep-2006 11:42:53] <rexsum> not sure what you mean by that
[07-Sep-2006 11:43:19] <rexsum> it updates the pages as the zope db gets updated by the daemons?
[07-Sep-2006 11:43:25] <rexsum> like push updates out to the webpage?
[07-Sep-2006 11:43:47] <creiht> Basically every change you make to configuration (adding devices, devices being remodeled, etc.) are stored
[07-Sep-2006 11:43:55] <creiht> And can be reverted
[07-Sep-2006 11:44:07] <creiht> So say for example you accidently deleted a bunch of devices
[07-Sep-2006 11:44:14] <creiht> You could very easily bring them back
[07-Sep-2006 11:44:28] <creiht> Though I don't think that part is exposed yet in the zenoss ui
[07-Sep-2006 11:44:43] <creiht> But you can do it through the zope management console
[07-Sep-2006 11:44:46] <rexsum> the zenoss ui is rather limited/sparse
[07-Sep-2006 11:44:58] <creiht> rexsum: In what ways?
[07-Sep-2006 11:45:05] <rexsum> wished there were some links added next to certain fields pointing to what syntax it'll take etc
[07-Sep-2006 11:45:26] <creiht> rexsum: I would submit a ticket
[07-Sep-2006 11:45:32] <rexsum> and it seems to lack reporting features
[07-Sep-2006 11:45:52] <rexsum> hence me browsing the code to see how hard it is to get that in
[07-Sep-2006 11:45:53] <creiht> Yes, I have been told that is lower on the priority list at the moment
[07-Sep-2006 11:46:21] <rexsum> well it's not that vital
[07-Sep-2006 11:46:42] <rexsum> are there any guidelines i should follow if i write something usefull to get it into the zen tree?
[07-Sep-2006 11:47:20] <creiht> You can actually create new reports, though it is a bit rudimentary as you have to write the queries to pull the data
[07-Sep-2006 11:47:35] <creiht> rexsum: I'm not sure about any guidelines
[07-Sep-2006 11:47:55] <rexsum> queries is ok, but where do i do that?
[07-Sep-2006 11:48:09] <creiht> rexsum: Let me look... Erik showed it to me last week
[07-Sep-2006 11:48:33] <creiht> ahh yes
[07-Sep-2006 11:48:46] <creiht> Click on the Reports menu on the left hand side
[07-Sep-2006 11:48:52] <rexsum> check
[07-Sep-2006 11:48:56] <creiht> Then select for example Device Reports
[07-Sep-2006 11:49:04] <rexsum> k
[07-Sep-2006 11:49:34] <rexsum> and then?
[07-Sep-2006 11:49:52] <creiht> sorry
[07-Sep-2006 11:49:57] <creiht> Had to do real work for a sec
[07-Sep-2006 11:50:06] <rexsum>
[07-Sep-2006 11:50:37] <creiht> At the bottom, in the text field next to the Add button, type in the name of the report you want to create, and then click the Add button
[07-Sep-2006 11:50:58] <creiht> Click on your newly created report, and then hit the edit tab
[07-Sep-2006 11:51:11] <creiht> And at that point you are on your own
[07-Sep-2006 11:51:17] <creiht> I haven't fooled with it yet
[07-Sep-2006 11:51:28] <rexsum> hmm
[07-Sep-2006 11:51:51] <rexsum> what does it query on?
[07-Sep-2006 11:51:59] <rexsum> all rrd's? or the zope db?
[07-Sep-2006 11:52:14] <creiht> I do not know
[07-Sep-2006 11:52:33] <rexsum> heh ok, i'll go play with it and leave a wiki
[07-Sep-2006 11:52:47] <rexsum> seems the only serious thing lacking in zenoss is documentation heh
[07-Sep-2006 11:52:56] <creiht> Yeah they are working on that
[07-Sep-2006 11:53:09] <creiht> I heard that they either just did, or are about to hire a documentation person
[07-Sep-2006 11:53:28] <rexsum> what use have the manufacturer and mib section?
[07-Sep-2006 11:53:45] <rexsum> i've been able to add mib's to zenoss, though the currentt trunk doesnt seem to let me
[07-Sep-2006 11:53:55] <rexsum> not sure it actually does anything with it atm though
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[07-Sep-2006 11:54:19] <creiht> I'm not completely sure about those, as I have not used either yet
[07-Sep-2006 11:55:06] <rexsum> well next step for me is figure out the xml event logging and fetching xml documents from servers with value's to monitor
[07-Sep-2006 11:55:10] <creiht> Though I think some coming functionality is the ability for when a device is autodetected, and it is found in the manufacturers list, you can define what device class, group, and system it will be automatically assigned to
[07-Sep-2006 11:55:36] <rexsum> ah
[07-Sep-2006 11:56:01] <rexsum> well it's mostly 1u server clones running net-snmp with lm-sensors, so probably not much use to me
[07-Sep-2006 11:56:15] <creiht> Yeah same here
[07-Sep-2006 11:56:27] <creiht> It's more usefull for people doing monitoring of their networks
[07-Sep-2006 11:56:41] <creiht> switches, and routers and such
[07-Sep-2006 11:56:54] <rexsum> yeah i'd assume so
[07-Sep-2006 11:57:54] <rexsum> alright, thanx for the help creiht, i'm heading out
[07-Sep-2006 11:57:55] <rexsum> cya
[07-Sep-2006 11:58:18] <creiht> good luck
[07-Sep-2006 11:58:25] <rexsum> thanx
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[07-Sep-2006 15:28:00] <em-dash> hello? anybody around?
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[07-Sep-2006 17:57:29] <ksl> anyone around
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[07-Sep-2006 20:59:58] <em-dash_> hmm... still no one here?
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[07-Sep-2006 21:59:10] <oubiwann> em-dash: yeah, we're here... just step out sometimes ;-)
[07-Sep-2006 21:59:36] <em-dash> I've got a question about modeling a windows machine using snmp-informant
[07-Sep-2006 22:00:01] <em-dash> oubiwann: and I appreciate that you're here at all
[07-Sep-2006 22:00:10] <oubiwann> heh
[07-Sep-2006 22:01:36] <em-dash> basically, I have a package installed whose name includes an é (accented e)
[07-Sep-2006 22:01:49] <oubiwann> oh dear
[07-Sep-2006 22:01:55] <em-dash> and snmp barfs with : Hex-STRING: 43 61 63 68 E9 20 69 6E 20 43 3A 5C 43 61 63 68 65 53 79 73
[07-Sep-2006 22:02:07] <em-dash> where all the other installed packages are just fine
[07-Sep-2006 22:02:27] <oubiwann> yeah, I'm not sure how well unicode is supported in SNMP
[07-Sep-2006 22:02:46] <oubiwann> you need to email the list -- Eric Newton is our SNMP god
[07-Sep-2006 22:03:10] <em-dash> ok... that's kind of what I figured, but I thought I'd ask
[07-Sep-2006 22:03:19] <oubiwann> no worries :-)
[07-Sep-2006 22:03:37] <em-dash> do you know if there's any way to quickly hack around that code in zenoss, just so it'll use an underscore or something instead?
[07-Sep-2006 22:04:04] <oubiwann> I'm not sure that it is zenoss
[07-Sep-2006 22:04:09] <oubiwann> it could very well be PySNMP
[07-Sep-2006 22:04:42] <em-dash> that'd match what I'm seeing with snmpwalk --- the Hex-STRING I pasted above
[07-Sep-2006 22:05:09] <em-dash> whereas all the others are nice: STRING: "Windows XP Hotfix - KB834707"
[07-Sep-2006 22:05:16] <em-dash> ok, I'll e-mail the list
[07-Sep-2006 22:05:26] <oubiwann> I think everything should be unicode -- it drives me nuts that it has been so long in adoption
[07-Sep-2006 22:05:43] <oubiwann> even the python logging module can't handle unicode properly
[07-Sep-2006 22:05:47] <oubiwann> it's crazy-making
[07-Sep-2006 22:06:06] <em-dash> it's like watching glaciers move
[07-Sep-2006 22:06:09] <oubiwann> heh
[07-Sep-2006 22:06:24] <em-dash> powerful and awe-inspiring, but <yawn>
[07-Sep-2006 22:06:36] <em-dash> oh well, thanks oubiwann... say, you're not affiliated with trac, are you?
[07-Sep-2006 22:06:42] <oubiwann> and it doesn't make any sense either -- there' such a huge following in Europe
[07-Sep-2006 22:07:03] <oubiwann> nah, I'm not; other than the fact I have about a billion trac installs ;-)
[07-Sep-2006 22:07:22] <em-dash> yeah, and on the list I see traffic from all over the place -- east asia, europe, india
[07-Sep-2006 22:07:37] <em-dash> oh, ok, thought maybe I'd seen you hanging around in #trac some time
[07-Sep-2006 22:08:18] <em-dash> time for me to go home -- thanks again for the input
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[08-Sep-2006 11:54:45] <ksl> hello
[08-Sep-2006 11:56:52] <ksl> im having a problem with zenoss... when i try to start it i get lines liek this: Daemon: zeoctl Password:
[08-Sep-2006 11:56:59] <ksl> when i enter the password it says incorrect
[08-Sep-2006 11:57:11] <ksl> if i hit enter twice it forgets about asking the the password and says its started
[08-Sep-2006 11:57:14] <ksl> but its not working
[08-Sep-2006 12:11:49] <ksl> actually since i ran it as root it is working
[08-Sep-2006 12:11:55] <ksl> now i am getting a zope error
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[08-Sep-2006 18:19:57] <socialist> btw, you all can add Debian Stable and Unstable to your list of "it has been run on" on the download page
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[10-Sep-2006 11:40:18] <amazon> Hello, can anyone tell me the benefits of Zenoss over http://bixdata.com
[10-Sep-2006 11:40:31] <adytum-bot> Title: BixData | Cluster and Systems Management (at bixdata.com)
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[11-Sep-2006 00:15:34] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Handwriting on the Sky - Let's Get Pumped - 10 Sep, 09:55PM
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[11-Sep-2006 05:25:38] <b_52CEntos> any one under freebsd
[11-Sep-2006 05:25:40] <b_52CEntos> ?
[11-Sep-2006 06:22:37] <b_52CEntos> Loading initial Zenoss objects into the Zeo database
[11-Sep-2006 06:22:37] <b_52CEntos> (this can take a few minutes)
[11-Sep-2006 06:22:46] <b_52CEntos> ;is taking more than 30 minutes
[11-Sep-2006 06:22:49] <b_52CEntos> is it normal ?
[11-Sep-2006 06:57:27] <b_52CEntos> hello
[11-Sep-2006 06:57:53] * b_52CEntos is going to send a cafe cup to the one who is going to rely to his "hello "
[11-Sep-2006 07:15:07] <skopii> hello
[11-Sep-2006 07:15:33] <skopii> as much as I love *BSD I would say just suck it up and run linooks
[11-Sep-2006 07:15:50] * b_52CEntos send a moroccan tea cup to skopii
[11-Sep-2006 07:15:51] <skopii> check the zenoss mailing list to see peoples various troubles w/ freebsd
[11-Sep-2006 07:15:55] <skopii> heh
[11-Sep-2006 07:16:00] <b_52CEntos> arghh sorry cafe
[11-Sep-2006 07:16:05] <skopii> this chan is really dead
[11-Sep-2006 07:16:19] <b_52CEntos> yeah
[11-Sep-2006 07:16:22] <skopii> I have been idling here for about 2 weeks now
[11-Sep-2006 07:16:35] <b_52CEntos> argh
[11-Sep-2006 07:16:37] <skopii> and have seen the dev guy (obiwann) only once
[11-Sep-2006 07:17:15] <skopii> but yeah, apparently zope has issues running on FreeBSD
[11-Sep-2006 07:17:26] <b_52CEntos> hm!
[11-Sep-2006 07:17:54] <skopii> and the zenoss docs are pretty sparse
[11-Sep-2006 07:18:10] <skopii> however, once you get it installed you will see that its a solid monitoring system
[11-Sep-2006 07:18:25] <b_52CEntos> all i see thqt zenoss is pretty slow
[11-Sep-2006 07:18:36] <b_52CEntos> the instqll
[11-Sep-2006 07:19:00] <skopii> yeah it shouldn't take that long to install
[11-Sep-2006 07:19:06] <skopii> maybe try using truss or strace
[11-Sep-2006 07:19:11] <skopii> to see why the pid is hanging...
[11-Sep-2006 07:19:33] <b_52CEntos> to restart a new installl i have just to remove my /home/zenoss /usr/local/zenoss that's it ?
[11-Sep-2006 07:19:43] <b_52CEntos> strace hm ok
[11-Sep-2006 07:19:44] <skopii> more or less
[11-Sep-2006 07:19:51] <skopii> truss should be installed
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[11-Sep-2006 07:20:01] <skopii> truss -p $PID
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[11-Sep-2006 07:20:57] <b_52CEntos> mail# ps aux | grep zenoss
[11-Sep-2006 07:20:57] <b_52CEntos> mail#
[11-Sep-2006 07:21:51] <skopii> heh
[11-Sep-2006 07:22:15] <skopii> I dunno what to tell you...
[11-Sep-2006 07:22:24] <b_52CEntos> ok :d
[11-Sep-2006 07:22:39] <skopii> like I said, try running it under linux
[11-Sep-2006 07:22:45] <skopii> it was a piece of cake to install
[11-Sep-2006 07:22:46] <b_52CEntos> i think i m gone try it on ubuntu
[11-Sep-2006 07:22:53] <b_52CEntos> ok
[11-Sep-2006 07:22:55] <skopii> nooooo
[11-Sep-2006 07:23:02] <skopii> come on...real men use debian
[11-Sep-2006 07:23:04] <b_52CEntos> ubuntu why ?
[11-Sep-2006 07:23:16] <b_52CEntos> skopii, i'm q KID
[11-Sep-2006 07:23:18] <b_52CEntos>
[11-Sep-2006 07:23:30] <skopii> not sure what a q KID is...
[11-Sep-2006 07:23:50] <b_52CEntos> debiqn is strating to sink ; leave before it to be late
[11-Sep-2006 07:24:04] <b_52CEntos> skopii, with debian sarge you have only mysql4
[11-Sep-2006 07:24:10] <skopii> not true
[11-Sep-2006 07:24:19] <skopii> dotdeb provides elite mysql+php pks
[11-Sep-2006 07:24:23] <skopii> dotdeb.org
[11-Sep-2006 07:24:31] <skopii> also, I would imageine mysql5 is in debian-testing now
[11-Sep-2006 07:25:13] <skopii> I think ubuntu is fine for people that have never used linux before and are considering it for a windows replacement
[11-Sep-2006 07:25:36] <b_52CEntos> http://dotdeb.org/howto/php5_and_php4_on_the_same_apache2 rich docs
[11-Sep-2006 07:25:36] <adytum-bot> Title: howto:php5_and_php4_on_the_same_apache2 [Dotdeb] (at dotdeb.org)
[11-Sep-2006 07:25:36] <skopii> but even in that situation there are some really annoying problems with their repositorys
[11-Sep-2006 07:25:52] <b_52CEntos> skopii, ubuntu rep ?
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:06] <skopii> if you wanna know how to run php4+php5
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:19] <skopii> you just install one as mod php
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:24] <skopii> and just use the other as the cgi/cli
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:27] <b_52CEntos> i want just install mysql5
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:38] <b_52CEntos> lats time i didn't from source
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:41] <skopii> http://dotdeb.org/mirrors
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:43] <b_52CEntos> i brake my sarge
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:47] <adytum-bot> Title: mirrors [Dotdeb] (at dotdeb.org)
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:49] <skopii> deb http://download.concepts.nl/dotdeb stable all
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:49] <skopii> deb-src http://download.concepts.nl/dotdeb stable all
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:52] <skopii> apt-get update
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:58] <skopii> apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
[11-Sep-2006 07:27:03] <adytum-bot> Title: Index of /dotdeb (at download.concepts.nl)
[11-Sep-2006 07:27:25] <b_52CEntos> hm ok
[11-Sep-2006 07:27:40] <skopii> you will also need the dev-headers to install modpython
[11-Sep-2006 07:27:47] <skopii> err not modpython
[11-Sep-2006 07:27:48] <skopii> LoL
[11-Sep-2006 07:27:50] <skopii> what am I saying
[11-Sep-2006 07:27:54] <skopii> python-mysql
[11-Sep-2006 07:28:26] <b_52CEntos> yeqh i have encountred the dev-headersproblem ....
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[11-Sep-2006 08:03:47] <b_52CEntos_> skopii, brb just get back my debian sarge
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[11-Sep-2006 08:48:02] <b_52Centos> skopii, under debian sarge
[11-Sep-2006 08:48:04] <b_52Centos> .....
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[11-Sep-2006 09:24:05] <b_52Centos> skopii, there ?
[11-Sep-2006 09:25:00] <b_52Centos> ok i foudn it :d
[11-Sep-2006 09:52:54] <b_52Centos> Installing libart-install
[11-Sep-2006 09:52:55] <b_52Centos> unpacking freetype-2.1.9 in build/
[11-Sep-2006 09:52:55] <b_52Centos> configuring build/freetype-2.1.9/Makefile
[11-Sep-2006 09:52:55] <b_52Centos> Installing freetype-install
[11-Sep-2006 09:52:55] <b_52Centos> make: *** [freetype-install] Erreur 2
[11-Sep-2006 09:52:56] <b_52Centos> unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log
[11-Sep-2006 09:53:03] <b_52Centos> is it sound familiar
[11-Sep-2006 09:53:05] <b_52Centos> to someone ?
[11-Sep-2006 10:26:27] <b_52Centos> boys zich g+++ have you installed ??
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[11-Sep-2006 12:20:02] <dwight7001> does anyone here have any experience with installing zenwin?
[11-Sep-2006 12:20:22] <dwight7001> it seems to kick back the --help no matter what command line options i use
[11-Sep-2006 12:21:48] <creiht> dwight7001: Just to make sure... Are you running zenwin on a windows box?
[11-Sep-2006 12:22:50] <dwight7001> heh, yes. i mean i'm hungover but not THAT hungover
[11-Sep-2006 12:23:05] <creiht> hehe
[11-Sep-2006 12:23:23] <creiht> I haven't used it yet... so I can't help beyond that... sorry
[11-Sep-2006 12:23:31] <dwight7001> thanks
[11-Sep-2006 12:23:46] <dwight7001> i've been trying out zenoss for the first time
[11-Sep-2006 12:23:57] <dwight7001> marvelous package
[11-Sep-2006 12:24:12] <creiht> I like it a lot
[11-Sep-2006 12:24:19] <dwight7001> snmp setup was simple and the web interface is divine
[11-Sep-2006 12:24:37] <dwight7001> but this zenwin package is driving me nuts
[11-Sep-2006 12:25:40] <dwight7001> i have several *nix machines reporting flawlessly but i would really like more detailed reporting on the windows side...
[11-Sep-2006 12:26:33] <creiht> What info do you need?
[11-Sep-2006 12:27:08] <dwight7001> event logs... unless i'm totally missing something... the windows event logs are not appearing in zenoss
[11-Sep-2006 12:27:16] <creiht> I've been using SNMPInformant, and get quite a bit of info on our windows boxes
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[11-Sep-2006 12:27:19] <creiht> ahhh
[11-Sep-2006 12:27:42] <b_52CEntos> re
[11-Sep-2006 12:27:46] <creiht> Yeah I don't think SNMPInformant exposes that
[11-Sep-2006 12:28:12] <creiht> Is there anything that can send event logs to a syslog server?
[11-Sep-2006 12:28:59] <creiht> Otherwise then you would need to get zenwin working... I would post a message to the mailing list
[11-Sep-2006 12:29:09] <creiht> off to lunch... bbl
[11-Sep-2006 12:29:20] <b_52CEntos> cp: /home/zenoss/skel/etc: No such file or directory
[11-Sep-2006 12:29:20] <b_52CEntos> gmake: *** [zope-install] Error 1
[11-Sep-2006 12:29:20] <b_52CEntos> unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log
[11-Sep-2006 12:29:23] <b_52CEntos> bash-2.05b$
[11-Sep-2006 12:29:26] <dwight7001> excellent idea... thank you
[11-Sep-2006 12:35:31] <dwight7001> sorry b_52, I did not compile from source.
[11-Sep-2006 12:36:15] <b_52CEntos> oh is there package?
[11-Sep-2006 12:36:21] <b_52CEntos> for wich distro ?
[11-Sep-2006 12:44:13] <dwight7001> no, I used the premade virtual machine in VMTN
[11-Sep-2006 12:44:20] <dwight7001> just to try it out
[11-Sep-2006 12:45:12] <b_52CEntos> hm
[11-Sep-2006 12:45:13] <b_52CEntos> ok
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[11-Sep-2006 16:06:52] <b_52CEntos> installing into /home/zenoss
[11-Sep-2006 16:06:52] <b_52CEntos> build log is in zenbuild.log
[11-Sep-2006 16:06:52] <b_52CEntos> installing libzenos/Products.tar.gz
[11-Sep-2006 16:06:52] <b_52CEntos> installing libzenos/bin.tar.gz
[11-Sep-2006 16:06:52] <b_52CEntos> installing zope
[11-Sep-2006 16:06:53] <b_52CEntos> gmake: *** [zope-install] Error 2
[11-Sep-2006 16:06:55] <b_52CEntos> unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log
[11-Sep-2006 16:08:04] <b_52CEntos> someone around
[11-Sep-2006 16:10:57] <creiht> b_52CEntos: What does zenbuild.log say?
[11-Sep-2006 16:11:06] <creiht> Notice any errors?
[11-Sep-2006 16:13:07] <b_52CEntos> yeah plenty
[11-Sep-2006 16:13:13] <b_52CEntos> 1 minute to correct them
[11-Sep-2006 16:13:16] <b_52CEntos> :d
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[11-Sep-2006 16:34:51] <b_52Centos> re
[11-Sep-2006 16:34:54] <b_52Centos> still have
[11-Sep-2006 16:34:57] <b_52Centos> Zope binaries installed successfully.
[11-Sep-2006 16:34:57] <b_52Centos> Now run '/home/zenoss/bin/mkzopeinstance.py'
[11-Sep-2006 16:34:57] <b_52Centos> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final'
[11-Sep-2006 16:34:57] <b_52Centos> debian:/home/mohammed#
[11-Sep-2006 16:35:03] <b_52Centos> in the zenbuild log
[11-Sep-2006 16:37:34] <b_52Centos> any one awake
[11-Sep-2006 16:39:05] <creiht> b_52CEntos: Hmmm you got me Perhaps post it on the mailing list?
[11-Sep-2006 16:41:30] <b_52Centos> creiht, hm yeah .......
[11-Sep-2006 16:41:39] <b_52Centos> i have post
[11-Sep-2006 16:41:41] <b_52Centos>
[11-Sep-2006 16:42:04] <b_52Centos> but it didn't solve the problem :d
[11-Sep-2006 16:44:10] <creiht> What os are you building on?
[11-Sep-2006 16:44:25] <b_52Centos> a bastard Debian Sage
[11-Sep-2006 16:44:45] <b_52Centos> under freebsd too but the problem under free are *2
[11-Sep-2006 16:45:13] <creiht> hehe
[11-Sep-2006 16:45:28] <creiht> Well I have done it on Ubuntu and it went fairly well
[11-Sep-2006 16:45:36] <creiht> What directory are you installing to?
[11-Sep-2006 16:46:19] <b_52Centos> /usr/local/zenoss
[11-Sep-2006 16:46:33] <b_52Centos> i think i'm gone switch under ubuntu
[11-Sep-2006 16:46:36] <creiht> hehe
[11-Sep-2006 16:46:39] <creiht> Well I would try this
[11-Sep-2006 16:46:45] <creiht> well
[11-Sep-2006 16:46:48] <b_52Centos> under drqpper is there mysql5 by default ?
[11-Sep-2006 16:47:02] <creiht> are you upgrading or installing fresh
[11-Sep-2006 16:47:18] <b_52Centos> installing fresh
[11-Sep-2006 16:47:23] <creiht> hmmm... I don't remember, but I don't think I had any problems installing it
[11-Sep-2006 16:47:29] <b_52Centos> hhh
[11-Sep-2006 16:47:33] <b_52Centos> on debain too :d
[11-Sep-2006 16:47:39] <b_52Centos> dis you install it from source ?
[11-Sep-2006 16:47:43] <creiht> Then I would delete everything under /usr/local/zenoss
[11-Sep-2006 16:48:00] <creiht> Do a process list, and kill anything that is python/zope related
[11-Sep-2006 16:48:08] <creiht> and try re-installing
[11-Sep-2006 16:48:23] <creiht> I have had a couple of times where that fixed some install problems I was having
[11-Sep-2006 16:48:51] <creiht> As for Mysql I don't remember buy I could have sworn that I installed everything I needed through APT
[11-Sep-2006 16:49:22] <b_52Centos> hm ok
[11-Sep-2006 16:49:49] <creiht> It's been a while though, so I don't remember... I just remember getting it installed
[11-Sep-2006 16:50:20] <b_52Centos> heh
[11-Sep-2006 16:51:17] <b_52Centos> do you have python 2.4
[11-Sep-2006 16:51:22] <creiht> yes
[11-Sep-2006 16:51:25] <b_52Centos> installed ?
[11-Sep-2006 16:51:31] <creiht> yes
[11-Sep-2006 16:51:41] <b_52Centos> could you give from wich mirror did you take it ?
[11-Sep-2006 16:52:10] <creiht> I think 2.4 is default in Dapper
[11-Sep-2006 16:52:19] <creiht> yes it is
[11-Sep-2006 16:52:24] <b_52Centos> grr sorry i forget ubuntu
[11-Sep-2006 17:31:02] <b_52Centos> creiht, you know python ?
[11-Sep-2006 17:32:10] <b_52Centos> copying /home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final/build-base/python-2.3/build-lib/version.txt -> /home/zenoss/lib/python
[11-Sep-2006 17:32:10] <b_52Centos> byte-compiling /home/zenoss/lib/python/RestrictedPython/tests/before_and_after24.py to before_and_after24.pyc
[11-Sep-2006 17:32:10] <b_52Centos> File "/home/zenoss/lib/python/RestrictedPython/tests/before_and_after24.py", line 30
[11-Sep-2006 17:32:10] <b_52Centos> x = (y**2 for y in whatever if y > 3)
[11-Sep-2006 17:32:11] <b_52Centos> ^
[11-Sep-2006 17:32:13] <b_52Centos> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[11-Sep-2006 17:32:19] <b_52Centos> argh a syntax error
[11-Sep-2006 17:50:24] <creiht> b_52CEntos: Yes
[11-Sep-2006 17:50:33] <creiht> wierd
[11-Sep-2006 17:50:47] <creiht> Are you using a downloaded version, or checkout from svn?
[11-Sep-2006 17:51:35] <b_52Centos> zenoss
[11-Sep-2006 17:51:39] <b_52Centos> nedd pythn 2.4
[11-Sep-2006 17:51:46] <creiht> ahh
[11-Sep-2006 17:51:49] <creiht> hmm
[11-Sep-2006 17:51:54] <b_52Centos> i have install it but he want remove the kernl image
[11-Sep-2006 17:51:56] <b_52Centos> so
[11-Sep-2006 17:52:04] <creiht> heh
[11-Sep-2006 17:52:08] <b_52Centos> i think i' m gon switch to ubuntu :d
[11-Sep-2006 17:52:22] * b_52Centos has downladed Kubuntu
[11-Sep-2006 17:53:34] <creiht> hehe
[11-Sep-2006 17:53:58] <b_52Centos> :d
[11-Sep-2006 17:54:14] <b_52Centos> i am tired of installing linux's stuff
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[12-Sep-2006 10:25:55] <b_52Centos> holla
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[12-Sep-2006 10:47:29] <b_52Centos> guys wich gcc
[12-Sep-2006 10:47:32] <b_52Centos> do you have
[12-Sep-2006 10:47:42] <b_52Centos> skopii: wich one on ubvuntu ?
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:25] <b_52Centos> unable to execute gcc: No such file or directory
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:29] <b_52Centos> error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:33] <b_52Centos> make[1]: *** [build] Erreur 1
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:37] <b_52Centos> make[1]: quittant le répertoire « /home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final »
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:37] <b_52Centos> mardi 12 septembre 2006, 14:50:22 (UTC+0000)
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:37] <b_52Centos> make[1]: entrant dans le répertoire « /home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final »
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:37] <b_52Centos> /usr/bin/python2.4 "/home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final/setup.py" \
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:38] <b_52Centos> build --build-base="/home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final/build-base/python-2.4" --build-lib="/home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final/build-base/python-2.4/build-lib" --build-scripts="/home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final/build-base/python-2.4/build-scripts" --build-temp="/home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final/build-base/python-2.4/build-temp"
[12-Sep-2006 10:53:13] <creiht> b_52Centos: Did you upgrade to ubunut?
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:10] <b_52Centos> creiht: my ubuntu is fresh
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:22] <b_52Centos> fro; zhat i see she don4t regonize the gcc
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:26] <b_52Centos> command
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:29] <creiht> b_52Centos: cool... Ubuntu doesn't install gcc by default
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:37] <b_52Centos> but i have just installed gcc 3.4
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:39] <creiht> There is a base package that you can install
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:41] <b_52Centos> :d
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:48] <creiht> That install's all the development stuff
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:49] <creiht> oh
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:54] <b_52Centos> :d
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:14] <b_52Centos> apt-get install gcc-3.4
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:14] <b_52Centos> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:14] <b_52Centos> Construction de l'arbre des dépendances... Fait
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:15] <b_52Centos> gcc-3.4 est déjà la plus récente version disponible.
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:15] <b_52Centos> 0 mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 15 non mis à jour.
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:20] <b_52Centos> gcc instal done :d
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:46] <b_52Centos> should i install the gcc-3.4-base - The GNU Compiler Collection (base package) too
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:47] <b_52Centos> ?
[12-Sep-2006 10:56:00] <creiht> apt get build-essentials
[12-Sep-2006 10:56:30] <creiht> that should give you everything you need
[12-Sep-2006 10:57:22] <b_52Centos> ok
[12-Sep-2006 10:57:30] <b_52Centos> aptgetting ........... :d
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[12-Sep-2006 11:04:56] <ashcrow_> I can't seem to figure out how to change the admin password for zenoss ... can anyone point me in the right direction? ./zenpass and then ./zenoss restart still holds the original password
[12-Sep-2006 11:05:48] <ashcrow_> it's driving me insane :-)
[12-Sep-2006 11:06:14] <b_52Centos> sorry i am just fighting with tghe installation didn't walking to that step yet
[12-Sep-2006 11:06:23] <b_52Centos> ashcrow_: morning
[12-Sep-2006 11:07:04] <creiht> ashcrow_: Do you know the original admin password?
[12-Sep-2006 11:07:47] <b_52Centos> admin i think
[12-Sep-2006 11:07:51] <b_52Centos> 'admin'
[12-Sep-2006 11:08:00] <ashcrow_> yes
[12-Sep-2006 11:08:44] <creiht> You can change the password through the Zope management interface
[12-Sep-2006 11:09:11] <creiht> Log into your site, but instead of going to /zport/dmd/ go to /manage
[12-Sep-2006 11:09:20] <creiht> log in with the old password
[12-Sep-2006 11:09:39] <creiht> Then click on acl_users
[12-Sep-2006 11:09:48] <creiht> Then click on the admin user
[12-Sep-2006 11:09:55] <creiht> and you should be able to change the password there
[12-Sep-2006 11:11:42] <ashcrow_> oh wow
[12-Sep-2006 11:11:48] <ashcrow_> I didn't know this existed
[12-Sep-2006 11:11:49] <ashcrow_> thanks
[12-Sep-2006 11:12:07] <creiht> ashcrow_: No problem... Underneath everything it is still a Zope application
[12-Sep-2006 11:12:32] <ashcrow_> I honestly don't know much about zope --- I'm more of a Spring turned Django guy
[12-Sep-2006 11:12:40] <creiht> hehe
[12-Sep-2006 11:12:44] <creiht> Cool
[12-Sep-2006 11:12:48] * b_52Centos is smelling PHP !
[12-Sep-2006 11:12:53] <ashcrow_> php?
[12-Sep-2006 11:13:09] <b_52Centos> django is php based no ?
[12-Sep-2006 11:13:22] <ashcrow_> no python
[12-Sep-2006 11:13:24] <creiht> b_52Centos: nope
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[12-Sep-2006 11:13:57] <b_52Centos> hm ok
[12-Sep-2006 11:14:03] <creiht> b_52Centos: It's templating markup takes some ideas from PHP and smarty
[12-Sep-2006 11:14:16] <ashcrow_> creiht: ok I'm in the zope interface and looking for acl_users
[12-Sep-2006 11:14:51] <creiht> ashcrow_: It should be one of the folders in the list
[12-Sep-2006 11:14:51] <ashcrow_> I see ZenUsers
[12-Sep-2006 11:14:57] <creiht> hmmm
[12-Sep-2006 11:15:15] <ashcrow_> nm
[12-Sep-2006 11:15:17] <ashcrow_> I see it
[12-Sep-2006 11:15:24] <ashcrow_> I did /zport/dmd/manage
[12-Sep-2006 11:15:38] <creiht> ahh
[12-Sep-2006 11:15:38] <creiht> hehe
[12-Sep-2006 11:15:58] <ashcrow_> sweet, thanks!
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:02] <ashcrow_> creiht: are you one of the engineers?
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:09] <creiht> ashcrow_: hehe nope...
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:23] <ashcrow_> just a zope guy eh?
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:26] <creiht> I've just used it a bit now, and dug into a little
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[12-Sep-2006 11:16:30] <creiht> Well a python guy
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:30] <ashcrow_> cool
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:37] <ashcrow_> yeah I as well am a python guy
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:41] <creiht> That has done his fair share of Zope development
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:45] <ashcrow_> wxPython and Django
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:53] <creiht> I've done those as well
[12-Sep-2006 11:17:09] <ashcrow_> I started making rpms for Django svn a while back
[12-Sep-2006 11:17:10] <creiht> ashcrow_: Though currently I prefer Pylons for webapp development
[12-Sep-2006 11:17:20] <ashcrow_> pylons ... haven't heard of that one
[12-Sep-2006 11:17:39] <creiht> ashcrow_: http://pylonshq.com/
[12-Sep-2006 11:17:46] <ashcrow_> why pylons over django?
[12-Sep-2006 11:17:58] <creiht> ashcrow_: It's a lot more flexible
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:07] <ashcrow_> how so
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:13] <creiht> I can choose what templating engine best fits my project
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:16] <ashcrow_> ah
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:18] <ashcrow_> modular
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:18] <creiht> or which ORM I want to use
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:20] <creiht> yes
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:23] <creiht> very modular
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:27] <creiht> And stays out of your way
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:29] <ashcrow_> like turbo gears but more modular
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:32] <creiht> yes
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:39] <ashcrow_> I don't like that :-)
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:40] <creiht> It's very wsgi based
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:44] <ashcrow_> to each his own
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:45] <creiht> hehe
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:46] <creiht> yes
[12-Sep-2006 11:19:03] <ashcrow_> comming from the Spring world where each Spring app is compleatly different framework
[12-Sep-2006 11:19:09] <creiht> hehe
[12-Sep-2006 11:19:26] <creiht> I understand that... I dabbled in that world for a few months
[12-Sep-2006 11:20:02] <creiht> I have nothing against Django... It does some things very well
[12-Sep-2006 11:20:10] <b_52Centos> oading initial Zenoss objects into the Zeo database
[12-Sep-2006 11:20:10] <b_52Centos> (this can take a few minutes)
[12-Sep-2006 11:20:10] <b_52Centos> ZentinelPortal loaded at zport
[12-Sep-2006 11:20:16] <b_52Centos> is it take that long ?
[12-Sep-2006 11:20:41] <creiht> b_52Centos: I don't think it took too long for me
[12-Sep-2006 11:20:47] <b_52Centos> hm ok
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:05] <em-dash> there was an e-mail a while back about zeo db population taking a long time
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:19] <b_52Centos> yeah i see that in the maiiling list
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:25] <em-dash> are you performing a fresh install?
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:33] <b_52Centos> yeah
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:35] <em-dash> cause I believe the issue was about re-installing
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:42] <b_52Centos> a new ubuntu
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:47] <b_52Centos> who is just born :d
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:59] <em-dash> that's all I've got.... sorry
[12-Sep-2006 11:22:18] <b_52Centos> no problem
[12-Sep-2006 11:22:28] <b_52Centos> i see zenbiold the install is running
[12-Sep-2006 11:22:31] <b_52Centos> fromwhat i see :d
[12-Sep-2006 11:23:26] <b_52Centos> OFF the TOPIC question : do you know a crm based under Python who look lile to sugarcrm ?
[12-Sep-2006 11:23:45] <creiht> b_52Centos: Nothing that is mature
[12-Sep-2006 11:24:18] <b_52Centos> hm
[12-Sep-2006 11:24:29] <creiht> hehe... My thoughts exactly
[12-Sep-2006 11:24:40] <em-dash> sugarcrm is php, right?
[12-Sep-2006 11:24:47] <b_52Centos> yeap
[12-Sep-2006 11:25:17] * b_52Centos don't want to leanr php :d
[12-Sep-2006 11:25:25] <ashcrow_> you dont' have to learn php
[12-Sep-2006 11:25:30] <ashcrow_> it's super simple
[12-Sep-2006 11:25:30] <b_52Centos> heh :d
[12-Sep-2006 11:25:49] <ashcrow_> if you know any other language php is dead easy
[12-Sep-2006 11:25:59] * b_52Centos have sheat in his php exam :d
[12-Sep-2006 11:26:09] <ashcrow_> or php.net/whateverFuncName
[12-Sep-2006 11:26:24] * ashcrow_ use to be a php engineer for global lawyer apps
[12-Sep-2006 11:26:44] <creiht> is auditing some PHP code right now, and hating every minute of it
[12-Sep-2006 11:26:53] <b_52Centos> ashcrow_: could you recommand me a php book ?
[12-Sep-2006 11:26:57] <ashcrow_> it's easy, not fun :-)
[12-Sep-2006 11:27:00] <b_52Centos> creiht: heh
[12-Sep-2006 11:27:11] <ashcrow_> a lot of people write bad php code too
[12-Sep-2006 11:27:13] <ashcrow_> which makes it worse
[12-Sep-2006 11:27:53] <em-dash> anybody know if it's possible to create perf graphs of the ratio between multiple OID values?
[12-Sep-2006 11:28:04] <ashcrow_> IMHO the worst thing in PHP is when people do the stupid index.php which includes all other pages
[12-Sep-2006 11:28:35] <creiht> ashcrow_: Hehe... that's nothing... You should see some of the code that I have to look at
[12-Sep-2006 11:40:21] <ashcrow_> how bad?
[12-Sep-2006 11:41:55] <creiht> ashcrow_: Well one thing is implementing the same functionality over and over again, instead of creating a function for it
[12-Sep-2006 11:42:15] <creiht> And those usually include a lot of raw SQL queries
[12-Sep-2006 11:43:06] <creiht> And then for the things that are encapsulated in function calls, there are several versions that basically do the same thing scattered through out
[12-Sep-2006 11:43:17] <ashcrow_> wow
[12-Sep-2006 11:43:21] <ashcrow_> that is terrible
[12-Sep-2006 11:43:44] <creiht> Luckily I'm throwing most if it away
[12-Sep-2006 11:44:04] <ashcrow_> good
[12-Sep-2006 11:44:05] <creiht> But I still have to trace through it and document what I'm getting rid of
[12-Sep-2006 11:44:25] <ashcrow_> don't tell me .... a contractor wrote the code and is gone .. :-)
[12-Sep-2006 11:46:00] <creiht> ashcrow_: Hmmm... not exactly... I don't think I can get into too many details other than it is an app that has grown over the last 5 years and had a lot of hands in it
[12-Sep-2006 11:48:43] <ashcrow_> ah I see
[12-Sep-2006 11:48:49] <ashcrow_> so it's probably php3 code too
[12-Sep-2006 11:48:50] <ashcrow_> lovely
[12-Sep-2006 11:48:54] <creiht> hehe
[12-Sep-2006 11:48:54] <creiht> yup
[12-Sep-2006 11:49:02] <ashcrow_> creiht: where do you work?
[12-Sep-2006 11:49:13] <creiht> ashcrow_: Rackspace
[12-Sep-2006 11:49:19] <ashcrow_> cool
[12-Sep-2006 11:49:22] <ashcrow_> I work at Red Hat
[12-Sep-2006 11:49:36] <creiht> Ahhhh... cool... We like you guys
[12-Sep-2006 11:49:42] <ashcrow_> lol
[12-Sep-2006 11:54:48] <b_52Centos> tarannn finnally my zenoss is installed
[12-Sep-2006 11:55:04] * b_52Centos is jumping all over the room ..........
[12-Sep-2006 11:55:39] * ashcrow_ applauds.
[12-Sep-2006 11:56:00] <creiht> hehe
[12-Sep-2006 11:56:20] <b_52Centos>
[12-Sep-2006 12:00:12] <em-dash> b_52CEntos: what did you have to do?
[12-Sep-2006 12:01:26] <b_52Centos> em-dash: you make to make it run ?
[12-Sep-2006 12:01:36] <b_52Centos> you mean to make it run ?
[12-Sep-2006 12:01:40] <em-dash> yes
[12-Sep-2006 12:03:12] <b_52Centos> just to follow the install with the ubuntu all my package are updated .... with the debian sarge the problem come from some package , but under ubuntu i didn't make any thing that is not listened in the install
[12-Sep-2006 12:06:39] <em-dash> what was the issue with the zeo db population taking so long? or did it just take a while?
[12-Sep-2006 12:07:57] <b_52Centos> the logs seems normal let say it take < 15/10 minute so it's ok i think
[12-Sep-2006 12:08:16] <em-dash> ok, good to know
[12-Sep-2006 12:08:31] <em-dash> congratulations on your success
[12-Sep-2006 12:08:43] <b_52Centos> thanks :d
[12-Sep-2006 12:11:17] <creiht> Has anyone here played with cfengine?
[12-Sep-2006 12:35:02] <b_52Centos> med@monitor:~/zenoss-0.22.2$ /home/zenoss/bin/zendisc run --net 192.168.1.0
[12-Sep-2006 12:35:03] <b_52Centos> sudo: unable to lookup monitor via gethostbyname()
[12-Sep-2006 12:35:25] <b_52Centos> is it a problem of right accessing or zen manipulaton ?
[12-Sep-2006 13:41:51] <em-dash> does anybody know how Zenoss derives the filesystem utilization percentage on the OS tab?
[12-Sep-2006 13:43:43] <creiht> em-dash: It gets the total drive space, and used drive space from SNMP, and then calculates a percentage
[12-Sep-2006 13:43:47] <creiht> I think
[12-Sep-2006 13:44:01] <em-dash> ok, what I meant is -- do you know what MIB it's using to get that info?
[12-Sep-2006 13:44:07] <creiht> oh
[12-Sep-2006 13:44:08] <em-dash> s/MIB/OID
[12-Sep-2006 13:44:12] <creiht> looking...
[12-Sep-2006 13:45:04] <em-dash> I thought it was from SNMP informant, but I get data from a win box w/o Informant, as well (MS default SNMP)
[12-Sep-2006 13:45:31] <creiht> em-dash: 1.3.6.1.2.1.25.2.3.1.6
[12-Sep-2006 13:45:35] <creiht> (OID)
[12-Sep-2006 13:45:59] <creiht> You can see this info at
[12-Sep-2006 13:46:00] <creiht> zport/dmd/Devices/Server/rrdTemplates/FileSystem
[12-Sep-2006 13:46:03] <creiht> On your server
[12-Sep-2006 13:46:08] <em-dash> aha
[12-Sep-2006 13:47:36] <em-dash> total SNMP n00b q: is there an easy way to determine in which MIB to find a given OID?
[12-Sep-2006 13:48:26] <em-dash> and not just the MIB, but the hierarchical location within the MIB
[12-Sep-2006 13:51:59] <creiht> em-dash: I'm a fellow SNMP n00b as well... so that is about as far as I know
[12-Sep-2006 13:52:56] <em-dash> well, thanks for pointing out the FileSystem rrd template
[12-Sep-2006 13:53:25] <em-dash> do you know much about rrdtool?
[12-Sep-2006 13:53:55] <em-dash> like how to compose a template that would graph a derived value (eg., disk utilization percentage)?
[12-Sep-2006 13:54:11] <creiht> I haven't gotten that far yet
[12-Sep-2006 13:54:51] <em-dash> Eric (Newton | Dahl) mentioned on the list that they just hired a documentation person
[12-Sep-2006 13:55:32] <em-dash> I'm very excited for that, because it seems that there's decent install docs, but medium/complex setup is totally a blackhole
[12-Sep-2006 13:55:55] <creiht> Yeah... He told me about that
[12-Sep-2006 13:56:14] <creiht> I'm looking forward to seeing more docs
[12-Sep-2006 13:56:22] <creiht> So that I don't have to poke around so much
[12-Sep-2006 13:57:22] <em-dash> I know -- "it's open source, just poke around" -- but man, Zenoss is a complex beast to learn by trial and error
[12-Sep-2006 13:58:31] <creiht> Yeah... and I don't know how many times I have said something like... It would be nice if Zenoss did X, and then Eric replies, oh yeah just go here, and click this button
[12-Sep-2006 13:59:10] <creiht> I wish the Eric's were not so busy... I miss seeing them here
[12-Sep-2006 13:59:35] <em-dash> that'd be awesome
[12-Sep-2006 14:01:32] <em-dash> ok, I'm being awfully chatty. one more concrete question: the FileSystem RRD Template has a threshhold with a max value set to `here.totalBlocks * .9' -- do you know how it's getting totalBlocks? it doesn't seem to be in the Host Resources MIB...
[12-Sep-2006 14:04:33] <creiht> em-dash: My guess is that it doesn't read the total blocks every time (since the total filesystem size doesn't really change that often, and relies instead upon a variable that is set initially when the device information is first collected.
[12-Sep-2006 14:06:05] <creiht> "here" is used in zope for variable scoping
[12-Sep-2006 14:06:27] <em-dash> creiht: good thinking. I bet you're right. You don't have any guess as to where such initial values might be stored, do you? If you're right, ZenModeler is probably doing the collecting. A list of such values would be handy
[12-Sep-2006 14:06:45] <em-dash> ok, that's very helpful, too
[12-Sep-2006 14:07:20] <creiht> I bet it is part of the device's model
[12-Sep-2006 14:07:27] <creiht> Not sure how you get to that
[12-Sep-2006 14:07:34] <creiht> But now you have made me curious
[12-Sep-2006 14:11:44] <creiht> em-dash: found it
[12-Sep-2006 14:11:57] <creiht> In your zenoss console
[12-Sep-2006 14:12:05] <creiht> Open up a device
[12-Sep-2006 14:12:36] <creiht> append /manage to it
[12-Sep-2006 14:12:46] <creiht> click on os
[12-Sep-2006 14:12:51] <creiht> then filesystems
[12-Sep-2006 14:13:15] <creiht> then one of the listed filesystems (in my case -)
[12-Sep-2006 14:13:27] <creiht> Click on the properties tab
[12-Sep-2006 14:13:40] <creiht> And there you see the totalBlocks variable
[12-Sep-2006 14:16:09] <em-dash> hmmm... let me take a look
[12-Sep-2006 14:16:21] <em-dash> are you looking at unix/linux systems?
[12-Sep-2006 14:17:25] <creiht> yes
[12-Sep-2006 14:20:50] <em-dash> wow... I haven't seen the Zope management interface before
[12-Sep-2006 14:41:52] <em-dash> creiht: you still around?
[12-Sep-2006 14:44:30] <creiht> em-dash: More or less
[12-Sep-2006 14:46:03] <em-dash> tell me if I'm pestering -- I'm trying to attach the ethernet RRD Template to a switch in /Devices/Network/Switch, but I don't have the option to attach it. Any ideas?
[12-Sep-2006 14:46:20] <em-dash> the ethernet RRD Template is in Devices
[12-Sep-2006 14:46:25] <creiht> hmmm
[12-Sep-2006 14:46:49] <creiht> What do you need in the ethernet RRD template that isn't already in the switches?
[12-Sep-2006 14:47:26] <em-dash> I want to set up perf monitoring on the switches... but I need to attach the RRD Template to do that, I believe
[12-Sep-2006 14:47:44] <creiht> Hmmm... perf monitoring should already work
[12-Sep-2006 14:47:49] <creiht> Without doing that
[12-Sep-2006 14:48:01] <creiht> I was testing monitoring some switches
[12-Sep-2006 14:48:06] <creiht> And it showed all the ports
[12-Sep-2006 14:48:10] <creiht> and the bw of those ports
[12-Sep-2006 14:48:27] <creiht> Is that what you are looking for, or do you need something else?
[12-Sep-2006 14:48:37] <em-dash> I see the ports, with MAC addresses
[12-Sep-2006 14:49:01] <em-dash> I'm looking for errors/ I/O / percentage bw utilized
[12-Sep-2006 14:49:12] <em-dash> graphs
[12-Sep-2006 14:49:13] <creiht> Let me look at mine real quick
[12-Sep-2006 14:49:52] <creiht> ok
[12-Sep-2006 14:50:07] <creiht> The O column means online and A means active
[12-Sep-2006 14:50:28] <creiht> You will only see graphs for items that have a green light in the O column
[12-Sep-2006 14:50:42] <creiht> Click on the name of the port, and you should see graphs
[12-Sep-2006 14:50:47] <em-dash> ooooohhhhhhh
[12-Sep-2006 14:51:07] <em-dash> ok, I totally misunderstood how that was supposed to work
[12-Sep-2006 14:51:50] <em-dash> thank you
[12-Sep-2006 14:51:58] <creiht> No problem... glad I could help
[12-Sep-2006 14:52:02] <em-dash> I mean, really... thank you
[12-Sep-2006 14:52:06] <creiht> hehe
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[12-Sep-2006 19:17:43] <landonf> howdy
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[13-Sep-2006 10:33:42] <rexsum> is the zenxmlperf plugin working properly? having some problems to get it to work
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[15-Sep-2006 06:28:39] <b_52Centos> i don't to be more stupid more i am by asking this noob question ? i have add a device of my router things were add well
[15-Sep-2006 06:29:06] <b_52Centos> how could i see his traffic networking ?
[15-Sep-2006 06:29:10] <b_52Centos> bandwich ?
[15-Sep-2006 06:32:35] <b_52Centos> ok perconf --> localcopy
[15-Sep-2006 06:32:38] <b_52Centos> and then ?
[15-Sep-2006 07:07:20] <b_52Centos> :snif
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[15-Sep-2006 09:06:57] <b_52Centos> under my /device/router
[15-Sep-2006 09:07:30] <b_52Centos> in the perconf -->>>> RRDDataSources there is just one event sysUpTime sysUpTime 1.3.6.1.2.1.1.3.0 GAUGE
[15-Sep-2006 09:07:53] <b_52Centos> wh i try to add it it don't work i mean add another event
[15-Sep-2006 09:08:08] <b_52Centos> to permit the monitoring it don't work
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[15-Sep-2006 09:22:22] * b_52Centos : <start> S.O.S</start>
[15-Sep-2006 09:24:04] <b_52Centos> the rrddtool te;plate are generated fro; the zPropreties ?
[15-Sep-2006 09:24:08] <b_52Centos> so
[15-Sep-2006 09:30:46] <b_52Centos> i have this warning that repaeat it self manelly
[15-Sep-2006 09:30:48] <b_52Centos> 2006-09-15 13:30:05 WARNING zen.ZenModeler no portscan plugins found for router
[15-Sep-2006 09:50:41] <b_52Centos> some one in the area?
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[15-Sep-2006 13:39:40] <em-dash> oubiwann: ping!
[15-Sep-2006 13:39:50] <oubiwann> pong!
[15-Sep-2006 13:40:22] <em-dash> not to pry, but are you duncan?
[15-Sep-2006 13:40:29] <em-dash> er, mcgreggor
[15-Sep-2006 13:40:32] <oubiwann> that I be
[15-Sep-2006 13:41:12] <em-dash> I was looking at some stuff about CoyMon / PyRRD, but it looks like projects.adytum.us is down... is this a known issue?
[15-Sep-2006 13:41:35] <oubiwann> yeah, there was a hard drive crash or SCSI buss gone bad
[15-Sep-2006 13:41:42] <oubiwann> hosting provider's tying to sort it out
[15-Sep-2006 13:41:45] <em-dash> oh, that was what that e-mail was referring to
[15-Sep-2006 13:41:51] <oubiwann> yup ;-)
[15-Sep-2006 13:42:14] <em-dash> ok, I assumed that was an issue with coyotemonitoring.com
[15-Sep-2006 13:42:44] <em-dash> darn... so no code or docs or anything re: PyRRD, huh?
[15-Sep-2006 13:42:52] <em-dash> I mean, published on the web, of course
[15-Sep-2006 13:45:39] <em-dash> one other thing... there's a Zenoss e-mail thread about network graphs --- apparently there are supposed to be links on the Manage tab, but I'm not seeing 'em (the links). any pointers?
[15-Sep-2006 13:46:23] <oubiwann> yeah, there are a set of links on the manage tab for devices
[15-Sep-2006 13:47:23] <em-dash> would this be for any device, or just /Devices/Network, or /Networks/?
[15-Sep-2006 13:47:50] <oubiwann> (don't get your hopes up, though... we've found all sorts of issues with various system installs of graphviz)
[15-Sep-2006 13:48:17] <oubiwann> for instance, if you go to one of your routers and click the manage tab, you will see a section at the bottom called "Graphs"
[15-Sep-2006 13:48:39] <em-dash> hmmm, haven't modeled any routers yet, but I don't see graphs on any of my devices
[15-Sep-2006 13:48:55] <em-dash> no 'Graphs' mention on the Manage tab
[15-Sep-2006 13:49:02] <em-dash> s/mention/mentioned
[15-Sep-2006 13:49:26] <em-dash> Only three sections -- Device Management, Maintenance Windows, & Administrators
[15-Sep-2006 13:50:24] <b_52Centos> yeah
[15-Sep-2006 13:50:26] <b_52Centos> :d
[15-Sep-2006 13:50:55] <b_52Centos> how graphs should be added ?
[15-Sep-2006 13:52:55] <oubiwann> em-dash: yeah, there's a fourth section -- are you not running from a recent trunk?
[15-Sep-2006 13:53:21] <oubiwann> b_52Centos: you mean these graphviz graphs we're talking about, not RRD graphs, right?
[15-Sep-2006 13:54:12] <b_52Centos> oubiwann: oh ok sorry did understand well
[15-Sep-2006 13:54:12] <b_52Centos> .......
[15-Sep-2006 13:55:24] <em-dash> oubiwann: when I installed, I tried the tarball and an svn co. Now I can't recall which one I actually installed (both are sitting in /home/zenoss). Bad sysadmin, bad!
[15-Sep-2006 13:55:39] <em-dash> know any way to check an installed copy?
[15-Sep-2006 13:55:57] <b_52Centos> and about the graphs of RRD by the way ? :d
[15-Sep-2006 13:56:00] <em-dash> also, at the worst, I'm running the 0.22.2 tarball
[15-Sep-2006 13:56:16] <em-dash> b_52Centos: what issues are you having w/ RRD graphing?
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:02] <em-dash> nothing shows up on the Perf tab for your device?
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:13] <b_52Centos> em-dash: the issue is i didn't understand wel how to add graphing for my routuer i aff the device set the parameter password... !
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:31] <b_52Centos> RRDDataSources
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:32] <b_52Centos> Name
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:32] <b_52Centos> OID
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:32] <b_52Centos> Type
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:32] <b_52Centos> sysUpTime 1.3.6.1.2.1.1.3.0 GAUGE
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:37] <b_52Centos> thats is perf conf
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:40] <b_52Centos> perf is empty
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:57] <em-dash> so you've just got the most basic RRD template, which doesn't actually graph anything
[15-Sep-2006 13:58:21] <em-dash> first of all, one thing that I didn't realize at first, is that you're probably already collecting perf info for the ethernet interfaces
[15-Sep-2006 13:58:41] <em-dash> go to OS tab, click ethernet interface name, check out pretty RRD graphs
[15-Sep-2006 14:01:08] <em-dash> also, I had some initial issues with zenperfsnmp not collecting device model info, so I had to kick start it with a `zenpersnmp run -v 10`, just to get the performance collection started
[15-Sep-2006 14:02:54] <b_52Centos> your talking os tab of the router or the localhost ?
[15-Sep-2006 14:02:58] <b_52Centos> i think localhost
[15-Sep-2006 14:02:59] <b_52Centos> :d
[15-Sep-2006 14:06:05] <em-dash> I mean the OS tab of whatever device you want to get interface performance data about. It sounds like you're interested in your router, so look at its OS tab
[15-Sep-2006 14:07:48] <b_52Centos> ok the eth0/eth1 interface give nothing but other interfaces give
[15-Sep-2006 14:07:50] <b_52Centos> br0
[15-Sep-2006 14:08:57] <em-dash> when you say 'nothing', do you mean they have graph images without data, or no graph images at all?
[15-Sep-2006 14:09:24] <b_52Centos> in the eth0/1 not graphg at all in the other tab image with no data
[15-Sep-2006 14:10:26] <em-dash> try that `zenperfsnmp run` if you haven't already --- I needed to 'force' zenperfsnmp to load the device model before it started collecting perf data
[15-Sep-2006 14:18:04] <b_52Centos> em-dash: http://rafb.net/paste/results/b8tNCD58.html it run but ! i skill the zenperfsnmp process before that
[15-Sep-2006 14:22:26] <em-dash> I believe that error is related to incorrect username/password in $ZENHOME/etc/zenperfsnmp.conf
[15-Sep-2006 14:22:57] <em-dash> maybe the admin password was changed after the initial installation?
[15-Sep-2006 14:30:11] <b_52Centos> hm
[15-Sep-2006 14:30:17] <b_52Centos> ok gone check it
[15-Sep-2006 14:31:26] <b_52Centos> no the pass are correect
[15-Sep-2006 14:34:41] <em-dash> check also zenprocess.conf (reading from http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/FAQ)
[15-Sep-2006 14:34:48] <adytum-bot> Title: FAQ - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[15-Sep-2006 14:35:22] <b_52Centos> ok
[15-Sep-2006 14:37:46] <em-dash> I was looking at the section 'Connection was refused by other side', but if that's not your problem, then I'm out of suggestions.... sorry
[15-Sep-2006 14:38:30] <b_52Centos> em-dash: no problem man ! thanks for helping me
[15-Sep-2006 14:38:44] <em-dash> b_52Centos: my pleasure... sorry I wasn't more help
[15-Sep-2006 14:39:18] <b_52Centos> i think i m gone wait some time for more docs
[15-Sep-2006 14:39:38] <b_52Centos> and play with zope till that time
[15-Sep-2006 14:43:59] <em-dash> I would do well to learn more about zope, too
[15-Sep-2006 14:45:13] <b_52Centos> http://www.amazon.de/Web-Component-Development-Zope-3/dp/3540223592
[15-Sep-2006 14:45:14] <b_52Centos> not bad ...
[15-Sep-2006 14:45:14] <b_52Centos> :d
[15-Sep-2006 14:46:23] <creiht> b_52Centos: Note that Zenoss is built on Zope 2.x and not Zope 3.x currently
[15-Sep-2006 14:46:41] <creiht> And the two version are VERY different
[15-Sep-2006 14:49:31] <b_52Centos> creiht: hm
[15-Sep-2006 14:49:52] <b_52Centos> still the zope book in zope.org
[15-Sep-2006 14:50:11] <b_52Centos> but just to say that the book is good written
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[15-Sep-2006 16:19:12] <oubiwann> I just posted this to the mail list, but you guys might be see it first here:
[15-Sep-2006 16:19:20] <oubiwann> http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=788
[15-Sep-2006 16:19:20] <adytum-bot> Title: » XML closing the community-code gap | Open Source | ZDNet.com (at blogs.zdnet.com)
[15-Sep-2006 16:19:20] <oubiwann> very, very cool ;-)
[15-Sep-2006 16:19:36] <oubiwann> we're getting press almost as we're committing stuff to subversion!
[15-Sep-2006 17:04:43] <em-dash> oubiwann: so is that zenoss.net stuff actually working in the latest trunk?
[15-Sep-2006 17:04:56] <oubiwann> yup
[15-Sep-2006 17:05:02] <oubiwann> well...
[15-Sep-2006 17:05:05] <em-dash> wow.... time to update
[15-Sep-2006 17:05:10] <oubiwann> it depends on what you mean
[15-Sep-2006 17:05:19] <oubiwann> the site Zenoss.net is not up and running yet
[15-Sep-2006 17:05:30] <em-dash> oh, ok... so the code is there, but the portal not yet
[15-Sep-2006 17:05:39] <oubiwann> but you can import and export Zenoss objects to and from the filesystem
[15-Sep-2006 17:05:40] <oubiwann> yeah
[15-Sep-2006 17:06:14] <oubiwann> I just got off the phone with Bill Karpovich, and we're looking at a transition solution while we build out Zenoss.net
[15-Sep-2006 17:06:35] <em-dash> I saw your e-mail inviting people to share XML configs... didn't realize it was actually a NOW thing
[15-Sep-2006 17:06:39] <em-dash> exciting
[15-Sep-2006 17:06:41] <oubiwann> essentially, a mail list where people could upload their templates
[15-Sep-2006 17:07:18] <oubiwann> I have added code that supports downloading templates from a url
[15-Sep-2006 17:07:30] <oubiwann> so all I'll have to do is update the UI to take advantage of that
[15-Sep-2006 17:07:50] <oubiwann> and you'll be able to paste a template link in the mail list into Zenoss and import it
[15-Sep-2006 17:07:55] <em-dash> w00t!
[15-Sep-2006 17:08:08] * em-dash scuttles off to do an `svn update`
[15-Sep-2006 17:08:33] <oubiwann> also, if you have ideas, wishlists, etc., here are the Zenoss.net tickets:
[15-Sep-2006 17:08:48] <oubiwann> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/query?component=Zenoss.net+Portal&order=priority
[15-Sep-2006 17:08:48] <adytum-bot> Title: Custom Query - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[15-Sep-2006 17:08:54] <oubiwann> feel free to email the list or chat with me here about those
[15-Sep-2006 17:11:36] <creiht> oubiwann: So is the site development moving to Plone then?
[15-Sep-2006 17:12:52] <oubiwann> we'll probably have zenoss.org/com as Zope for a while longer and then a separate zenoss.net, but the goal is to run them all from a central management location
[15-Sep-2006 17:13:09] <oubiwann> but yes, zenoss.net will most likely be plone
[15-Sep-2006 17:13:23] <oubiwann> biab (getting a late, late lunch)
[15-Sep-2006 17:17:41] <em-dash> creiht: have you worked with the FileSystem RRD Template (or done other fs RRD work)?
[15-Sep-2006 17:19:09] <creiht> em-dash: Only a little
[15-Sep-2006 17:19:26] <em-dash> did you apply the FileSystem RRD Template, or define your own?
[15-Sep-2006 17:20:03] <creiht> I made a couple of small modifications to the thresholds to the default filesystem RRD Template
[15-Sep-2006 17:20:12] <creiht> Like I said.. only a little
[15-Sep-2006 17:20:50] <em-dash> you were able to apply the template to a device and collect data?
[15-Sep-2006 17:21:06] <creiht> Well it did it automagically
[15-Sep-2006 17:21:24] <creiht> What devices are you trying to monitor?
[15-Sep-2006 17:21:36] <em-dash> some windows boxen
[15-Sep-2006 17:22:06] <creiht> Open up one of those boxes in Zenoss and click on the OS tab
[15-Sep-2006 17:22:32] <creiht> Toward the bottom where you se File Systems, click on one of the filestems
[15-Sep-2006 17:22:50] <creiht> Is that what you are looking for?
[15-Sep-2006 17:25:15] <em-dash> yeah... damnit! I should've looked there after you guided me through the OS/Interfaces
[15-Sep-2006 17:25:21] <creiht>
[15-Sep-2006 17:25:54] <em-dash> I assumed that the filesystem template needed to be attached to the device !!!
[15-Sep-2006 17:26:24] <em-dash> ok, so filesystems and interfaces get the RRD Template based on type, rather than the standard device hierarchy inheritance
[15-Sep-2006 17:27:21] <creiht> Well I think they are still part of the inheritance, the base one is just a little further down the tree
[15-Sep-2006 17:28:05] <creiht> For example the default FileSystem PerfConf is under /Devices/Server rather than /Devices
[15-Sep-2006 17:28:28] <creiht> Since you would not need to monitor the filesystem size of a switch or router
[15-Sep-2006 17:29:01] <em-dash> yeah, I've seen it there, I just assumed that it participated in the same one-template-per-device inheritance scheme
[15-Sep-2006 17:29:12] <creiht> ahh
[15-Sep-2006 17:29:20] <em-dash> and that I needed to apply it to the devices I want to monitor FS usage on
[15-Sep-2006 17:31:04] <em-dash> ok, so another question --- I have an HPUX system that reports its info through HP-UNIX.MIB, and I don't see any filesystem info in the OS tab. do you have any idea how to tell the modeler to gather data from different OIDs?
[15-Sep-2006 17:31:33] <creiht> em-dash: Hmmm.... That part I do not know
[15-Sep-2006 17:31:53] <em-dash> yeah, that's moving into a part of the system that I've got little to no idea about..... yet
[15-Sep-2006 17:32:21] <em-dash> well, thanks for pointing out my shortsightedness. again.
[15-Sep-2006 17:32:27] <creiht> heh
[15-Sep-2006 17:32:35] <creiht> Glad I could help
[15-Sep-2006 17:32:46] <creiht> I've had plenty of those moments myself
[15-Sep-2006 17:33:10] <em-dash> how are you working through these issues? asking here? mailing list? brute force?
[15-Sep-2006 17:33:35] <em-dash> (brute force == staring at the interface)
[15-Sep-2006 17:33:35] <creiht> Well I'm past all the major issues for my current usage
[15-Sep-2006 17:33:50] <em-dash> that helps
[15-Sep-2006 17:34:03] <creiht> Luckily when I was having difficulties, one of the Eric's was usually online
[15-Sep-2006 17:34:10] <creiht> And they would help out
[15-Sep-2006 17:34:20] <creiht> So I'm just trying to return the favor
[15-Sep-2006 17:35:12] <em-dash> that's awesome. and as someone receiving the favor, I both appreciate it, and hope I get the chance to pay that generosity forward to the next batch of users
[15-Sep-2006 17:39:19] <em-dash> of course, there's still a non-trivial learning curve to ascend, but I'm not sweatin' it
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[15-Sep-2006 19:32:00] <em-dash> oubiwann: you there?
[15-Sep-2006 19:32:07] <oubiwann> yup
[15-Sep-2006 19:32:35] <em-dash> quick question: it looks like you cannot deselect every data source from an RRD graph
[15-Sep-2006 19:32:52] <em-dash> eg., I want to replace the straight datasource with a calculated value
[15-Sep-2006 19:33:24] <oubiwann> ug, I really need to get a box on my test network with SNMP running... I don't have any RRD stuff to look at right now :-(
[15-Sep-2006 19:33:32] <em-dash> ok, no prob
[15-Sep-2006 19:33:36] <em-dash> I'll e-mail the list
[15-Sep-2006 19:33:43] <em-dash> just wanted instant gratification
[15-Sep-2006 19:33:50] <oubiwann> I've done lots of RRD work in the past, just not Zenoss RRD
[15-Sep-2006 19:33:56] <oubiwann> heh, yeah -- I can understand that :-)
[15-Sep-2006 19:34:15] <socialist> em-d: I suggest using net-snmp on hp-ux if you can
[15-Sep-2006 19:34:26] <em-dash> yeah, it was actually that PyRRD stuff that got me thinking more about customizing the RRD graphs
[15-Sep-2006 19:34:46] <em-dash> socialist: heh, was I asking about that in here?
[15-Sep-2006 19:35:05] <socialist> something about disks yes
[15-Sep-2006 19:35:28] <socialist> filesystem info not showing up...
[15-Sep-2006 19:35:37] <em-dash> yeah, that's right thanks for the pointer
[15-Sep-2006 19:35:46] <em-dash> do you have any experience with net-snmp on hp-ux?
[15-Sep-2006 19:35:50] <socialist> yes
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:02] <em-dash> are there binary packages, or is it a source + compile proposition?
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:05] <socialist> I built 5.3.0.1 on all my hpux and it's running happily
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:11] <socialist> there are binaries
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:11] <em-dash> ok
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:14] <em-dash> oh
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:20] <socialist> you can download an official depot from HP in fact
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:50] <socialist> the official one is 5.2.x, and I wanted 5.3 so I built it
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:51] <em-dash> oh, that'll calm my colleagues nerves a lot
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:59] <socialist> yeah the 5.2 works fine
[15-Sep-2006 19:37:21] <em-dash> what were the features you wanted from 5.3?
[15-Sep-2006 19:38:26] <socialist> StorageUseNFS
[15-Sep-2006 19:38:48] <em-dash> which flags a filesystem as an NFS mount?
[15-Sep-2006 19:38:51] <socialist> pre-5.3 weren't properly differentiating my nfs mounts
[15-Sep-2006 19:38:55] <em-dash> aha
[15-Sep-2006 19:39:40] <socialist> go here for official lovin from HP: http://h20338.www2.hp.com/hpux11i/cache/324414-0-0-0-121.html
[15-Sep-2006 19:39:40] <adytum-bot> Title: HP-UX 11i Internet Express (at h20338.www2.hp.com)
[15-Sep-2006 19:39:51] <socialist> they have about a zillion open source packages, including net-snmp
[15-Sep-2006 19:39:54] <em-dash> brilliant -- I was just googling for that
[15-Sep-2006 19:41:09] <em-dash> thanks socialist, much appreciated
[15-Sep-2006 19:41:56] <socialist> no problem
[15-Sep-2006 19:47:50] <socialist> anyone running current SVN?
[15-Sep-2006 19:48:51] * em-dash plans to update, but hasn't yet
[15-Sep-2006 19:54:02] <socialist> I'm evaluating several different monitoring systems, some of these are pretty interesting
[15-Sep-2006 19:54:09] <socialist> some aren't
[15-Sep-2006 19:54:57] <em-dash> I've been looking around a bit lately as well. What are you finding thus far (generally)?
[15-Sep-2006 19:55:22] <em-dash> if I may inquire, of course
[15-Sep-2006 20:05:32] <em-dash> what I have found leads me to believe that there are quite a few 'entry-level' monitoring packages (MRTG, Pandora, Cacti, Big Sister) and only a few that hit the medium-to-large sweet spot (Zenoss, Nagios, OpenNMS)
[15-Sep-2006 20:08:59] <socialist> yes
[15-Sep-2006 20:11:09] <em-dash> several of them have some management functionality built in, but management and monitoring still seem somewhat segregated
[15-Sep-2006 20:11:17] <socialist> at the risk of sounding negative, every system I've seen is missing something important
[15-Sep-2006 20:11:41] <em-dash> and of course, this is just regarding the well-known open source offerings
[15-Sep-2006 20:13:45] <em-dash> what would you say zenoss is missing, for instance?
[15-Sep-2006 20:15:42] <em-dash> also, are you coming from a background of experience with an existing management system?
[15-Sep-2006 20:16:20] <em-dash> as in, are your expectations guided by a certain platform?
[15-Sep-2006 20:19:22] <socialist> umm not really
[15-Sep-2006 20:19:28] <socialist> I've used nagios for a long time
[15-Sep-2006 20:19:46] <socialist> they should put nagios in the dictionary under "tedious"
[15-Sep-2006 20:20:45] <em-dash> I've never used it, but it looks like a whole lot of plugin configuration time
[15-Sep-2006 20:24:19] <socialist> any monitoring system is going to be tedious, it's almost unavoidable
[15-Sep-2006 20:24:30] <socialist> nagios is just particularly bad about it
[15-Sep-2006 20:25:56] <socialist> as for missing things, for example, zenoss doesn't support an unlimited number of organizational groups
[15-Sep-2006 20:26:27] <socialist> i.e., I can put a device under devices, systems and groups, but I can't define my own hierarchy
[15-Sep-2006 20:26:58] <socialist> probably not an issue for most people, may or may not be for me
[15-Sep-2006 20:28:51] <socialist> hyperic HQ is really nice, but it's java and it requires it's own agent (also java)
[15-Sep-2006 20:29:48] <socialist> zabbix requires it's own agent as well
[15-Sep-2006 20:32:15] <em-dash> I basically didn't even look at agent-based solutions.... my network is mainly windows, with some HP-UX and linux boxes, and agent-based solutions seem like a nightmare in the making in a heterogeneous environment
[15-Sep-2006 20:32:29] <socialist> if I chose based on technology, I'd use Zenoss, if I chose based on features, I'd probably use Hyperic, and if I didn't want an appserver I'd probably try out Zabbix
[15-Sep-2006 20:32:49] <socialist> em-dash: hyperic is java, so supposedly no issue
[15-Sep-2006 20:33:00] <socialist> excecpt no you have to run java everywhere
[15-Sep-2006 20:33:05] <socialist> s/no/now/
[15-Sep-2006 20:33:52] <socialist> I'm pretty firmly of the belief right now that everything wrong with Zenoss is just a matter of it not being done yet
[15-Sep-2006 20:35:15] <landonf> Well, there are some bugs, too
[15-Sep-2006 20:35:24] <landonf> And zope2 pretty much sucks.
[15-Sep-2006 20:35:32] <socialist> that was me being optimistic, hush
[15-Sep-2006 20:37:50] <em-dash> well, I've heard whispers that a Zope3 migration is in consideration
[15-Sep-2006 20:38:14] <em-dash> of course, based on my understanding of the 2.x => 3.x transition, that would be a huge undertaking
[15-Sep-2006 20:38:48] <socialist> depends on home much of the code is really tied into Zope
[15-Sep-2006 20:39:06] <socialist> I'd imagine it wouldn't be simple in any case
[15-Sep-2006 20:45:11] <em-dash> socialist: are you in a situation where you need to be able to delegate administrative access to subsets of the network?
[15-Sep-2006 20:45:40] <socialist> mmm not really
[15-Sep-2006 20:45:41] <socialist> yet
[15-Sep-2006 20:45:58] <em-dash> just curious about the potential need for unlimited grouping / hierarchical organization
[15-Sep-2006 20:46:48] <socialist> I don't necessarily have one, it's just something I noticed
[15-Sep-2006 20:48:37] <socialist> The shortcomings that relate to me are: lack of notification options, lack of flap detection, and numerous little things (like missing CPU information)
[15-Sep-2006 20:49:04] <em-dash> flap detection?
[15-Sep-2006 20:49:37] <socialist> services that go up and down a lot really quickly
[15-Sep-2006 20:49:51] <socialist> either in error, or because that's what they do
[15-Sep-2006 20:50:20] <socialist> for example, nagios will not send 3 alerts when a service goes up-down-up-down-up-down-up
[15-Sep-2006 20:50:25] <em-dash> interesting... not familiar with that term or services of that type (the error condition makes sense, though)
[15-Sep-2006 20:50:43] <socialist> we get a lot of that because of system load
[15-Sep-2006 20:51:12] <em-dash> well, you can set escalation counts, so that notification doesn't bubble up until X event occurrences
[15-Sep-2006 20:51:16] <em-dash> but that's not the same
[15-Sep-2006 20:51:20] <socialist> it's close yes
[15-Sep-2006 20:52:05] <em-dash> as far as notification options, you're talking about something more than e-mail/pager alerts
[15-Sep-2006 20:52:26] <socialist> no, I mean more options about how and when you get notified
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[15-Sep-2006 20:54:02] <em-dash> not playing dumb, but: could you elaborate?
[15-Sep-2006 20:54:26] <socialist> sure
[15-Sep-2006 20:56:38] <socialist> In some other systems, I can set hours to be notified about a service, the maximum number of times I'll be notified, different methods if the event is not acknowledged within a certain amount of time
[15-Sep-2006 20:57:35] <socialist> So, for example, I can be emailed during business hours if the printer stops responding for more than 5 minutes
[15-Sep-2006 20:57:50] <em-dash> ahhh, ok, I wasn't really thinking that through
[15-Sep-2006 20:58:02] <socialist> then my co-worker will be paged if I don't acknowledge the problem within 15 minutes
[15-Sep-2006 20:58:16] <socialist> but after 5pm, we wouldn't get paged at all
[15-Sep-2006 20:58:55] <em-dash> that's a good point
[15-Sep-2006 21:00:43] <em-dash> have you suggested / requested something of the sort on the Zenoss ML?
[15-Sep-2006 21:00:56] <socialist> nope
[15-Sep-2006 21:01:16] <socialist> I'm gethering data first
[15-Sep-2006 21:01:35] <em-dash> that's an important feature, if you don't object, I'll make the suggestion
[15-Sep-2006 21:01:58] <socialist> go for it
[15-Sep-2006 21:06:55] <em-dash> socialist: thanks for the honest discussion, I appreciate you taking the time to share some of your findings
[15-Sep-2006 21:07:15] <socialist> you're welcome
[15-Sep-2006 21:07:43] <socialist> It's difficult to present well on IRC, I should write a paper
[15-Sep-2006 21:07:58] <em-dash> I think it would be very well received
[15-Sep-2006 21:08:04] <socialist> it might
[15-Sep-2006 21:08:34] <em-dash> the space is exploding, and well-considered research would save many people a tremendous amount of time in the aggregate
[15-Sep-2006 21:08:52] <em-dash> the space == network monitoring and management (particularly opensource)
[15-Sep-2006 21:09:04] <socialist> unfortunately, that also requires time, of which I am in short supply since I'm demoing all these monitoring systems
[15-Sep-2006 21:09:49] <em-dash> you're working on some offerings in the commercial sphere, as well?
[15-Sep-2006 21:10:00] <socialist> no
[15-Sep-2006 21:10:08] <socialist> I'm familiar with a lot of those
[15-Sep-2006 21:10:26] <socialist> and I don't feel like giving them money
[15-Sep-2006 21:11:18] <em-dash> oh, it's not a time limit re: the monitoring systems, just that your time is already absorbed in the evaluation itself
[15-Sep-2006 21:11:29] <socialist> hehe yes
[15-Sep-2006 21:11:36] <socialist> that and 1000 other tasks
[15-Sep-2006 21:11:59] <em-dash> but we've all got those
[15-Sep-2006 21:12:05] <em-dash>
[15-Sep-2006 21:12:34] <em-dash> well, if you have the time and consider it worthwhile, you've got a guaranteed audience of at least one
[15-Sep-2006 21:12:55] <socialist> hah thank you
[15-Sep-2006 21:13:51] <em-dash> in the interim, it's high time for me to call it a week, and head home; where I'll do more of the same
[15-Sep-2006 21:13:55] <socialist> btw, openview, tivoli, BMC.. all work great and all are so grotesquely overpriced it makes me want to chew my hands off
[15-Sep-2006 21:14:06] <socialist> particularly openview
[15-Sep-2006 21:14:26] <em-dash> I've never had the opportunity to touch any of them, but the prices are utterly prohibitive for my purposes
[15-Sep-2006 21:14:38] <socialist> Maybe tivoli is cheaper, I've never actually bought that one...
[15-Sep-2006 21:15:17] <socialist> we spent around $250k for openview at a previous employer
[15-Sep-2006 21:15:39] <em-dash> well, they've all got to watch their backs, because these OSS alternatives are going to gradually erode the market for $250k platforms
[15-Sep-2006 21:15:48] <socialist> 'bout time
[15-Sep-2006 21:16:03] <em-dash> are you serious --- $250k?!?
[15-Sep-2006 21:16:09] <em-dash> USD, I assume
[15-Sep-2006 21:16:14] <socialist> yes and yes
[15-Sep-2006 21:16:39] <em-dash> ok, your choice of the word 'grotesque' now makes a lot of sense
[15-Sep-2006 21:17:46] <socialist> I was stunned when I saw the budget
[15-Sep-2006 21:18:15] <socialist> but the execs liked it, and they had money at the time, so it stayed
[15-Sep-2006 21:18:26] <em-dash> I've never been involved in a project of that budget. I can only imagine that they scope of the deployment must have been impressive
[15-Sep-2006 21:18:46] <socialist> medium-sized
[15-Sep-2006 21:19:13] <socialist> about 500 systems
[15-Sep-2006 21:19:49] <socialist> mostly medium to large sun servers, plus a bunch of AIX and network hardware
[15-Sep-2006 21:20:31] <socialist> but it was a financial company, they generally have more money than god, and just buy the "best" because they can
[15-Sep-2006 21:21:09] <em-dash> that's a peculiar mindset
[15-Sep-2006 21:21:19] <em-dash> 250k can get a lot of things done
[15-Sep-2006 21:21:29] <socialist> yep
[15-Sep-2006 21:21:58] <socialist> but with a $20 million datacenter, it doesn't seem like all that much
[15-Sep-2006 21:22:04] <em-dash> oh well. I think your nick is an interesting response in the face of that kind of spending habit
[15-Sep-2006 21:22:12] <socialist> hey, I didn't spend it
[15-Sep-2006 21:22:17] <socialist> that was already there
[15-Sep-2006 21:22:43] <em-dash> I understand, just making a joke (stretching)
[15-Sep-2006 21:22:50] <socialist> heheh
[15-Sep-2006 21:23:25] <socialist> ./nick free-market-socialist-stop-yelling-at-me
[15-Sep-2006 21:23:43] <em-dash> hahaha
[15-Sep-2006 21:24:27] <em-dash> well hey, thanks again. nice getting your input. and I'm serious about the write-up
[15-Sep-2006 21:25:19] <socialist> I'll try to get it on the wiki if I write something
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[19-Sep-2006 00:57:08] <orlock> But.. does it make funky maps like nagios, eh?
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[19-Sep-2006 12:25:57] <neverone99> Has anyone seen this error in the zenbuild.log: unable to install MySQL event tables
[19-Sep-2006 12:26:19] <neverone99> ERROR 1074 (42000) at line 4: Column length too big for column 'message' (max = 255); use BLOB or TEXT instead
[19-Sep-2006 12:26:19] <neverone99> ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 2: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'PROCEDURE IF EXISTS close_events' at line 1
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[19-Sep-2006 17:30:10] <b_52GM> foxmjay, what the line to authetify
[19-Sep-2006 17:30:13] <b_52GM> ?
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[19-Sep-2006 17:30:24] <foxmjay> hmm
[19-Sep-2006 17:30:36] <foxmjay> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
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[21-Sep-2006 17:13:54] <socialist> anyone have idea on the timeframe to fully supporting RRD graphing options?
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[22-Sep-2006 08:35:10] <skopii> ping?
[22-Sep-2006 08:51:52] <Fonderia1igitale> pong
[22-Sep-2006 08:52:00] <skopii> I am wondering about monitoring load
[22-Sep-2006 08:52:16] <skopii> the thresholds are a bit confusing
[22-Sep-2006 08:53:14] <skopii> I want to configure a threshold for server load, so I would receive an alert when the load exceeds the threshold
[22-Sep-2006 08:53:17] <skopii> any advice?
[22-Sep-2006 08:54:31] <skopii> I tried to set it up once, but it went insane with alerts
[22-Sep-2006 08:57:00] <skopii> I think I am confused because of the RPN field in the laLoadInt5 data source
[22-Sep-2006 08:57:23] <skopii> so what is the deal..
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[22-Sep-2006 10:14:11] <rputzler> I have been using zenoss for a while and it is great, however I can't for the life of me get alerts to page or email me. Has anyone seen a set of detailed steps that I can verify I've done everything correctly against?
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[22-Sep-2006 13:44:25] <rputzler> I have been using zenoss for a while and it is great, however I can't for the life of me get alerts to page or email me. Has anyone seen a set of detailed steps that I can verify I've done everything correctly against?
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[22-Sep-2006 22:20:00] <Deciph> In zenperfsnmp.log I'm seeing, "WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Devices status is not clearing. Restarting." I see a bunch of those, then the graphing stops working.... any ideas why that might be happening?
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[25-Sep-2006 16:14:39] <jts1> hi... anybody home?
[25-Sep-2006 16:15:46] <jts1> lol... guess not.
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[25-Sep-2006 16:32:53] <korozion> patience
[25-Sep-2006 16:33:08] <korozion> he must be lacking zen
[25-Sep-2006 16:39:01] <annoyed> umm... me too
[25-Sep-2006 16:39:22] <annoyed> been trying to install for 2 days
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[25-Sep-2006 16:45:22] <korozion> what's the issue?
[25-Sep-2006 16:46:58] <annoyed> well it started out with all kinds of erros connecting to mysql
[25-Sep-2006 16:47:09] <annoyed> no I have built a clean box
[25-Sep-2006 16:48:18] <annoyed> and the install script needs every kind of decompression library known to man but doens't log half of it
[25-Sep-2006 16:49:48] <annoyed> for hours i was trying to install and it would die at building Zope then after it died the install log has nothing but a date stamp
[25-Sep-2006 16:51:16] <annoyed> ...it worked after I installed the debian build-essential package
[25-Sep-2006 16:51:32] <korozion> yeah, having a compiler always helps
[25-Sep-2006 16:51:40] <korozion> Debian doesn't install one by default
[25-Sep-2006 16:51:47] <korozion> being that it's package based and all
[25-Sep-2006 16:52:05] <annoyed> no it wasn't the compiler
[25-Sep-2006 16:52:16] <annoyed> i had all that installed
[25-Sep-2006 16:52:24] <korozion> weird
[25-Sep-2006 16:52:32] <korozion> So, what is the current problem?
[25-Sep-2006 16:52:35] <annoyed> make, g++ gcc all installed already
[25-Sep-2006 16:53:28] <annoyed> zlib, bzip2..... a new one every time I run ./install
[25-Sep-2006 16:53:40] <annoyed> all easily fixed
[25-Sep-2006 16:53:59] <annoyed> just with there was an actuall requirements list
[25-Sep-2006 16:54:09] <korozion> You could help the project by making one
[25-Sep-2006 16:54:20] <annoyed> I might just do that
[25-Sep-2006 16:54:40] <korozion> that'd be cool
[25-Sep-2006 16:54:54] <korozion> I'm sure the devs sure would like it, and the rest of us users too
[25-Sep-2006 16:56:21] <annoyed> funny thing is I am not sure what package build-essential installed that resolved the issue
[25-Sep-2006 16:57:21] <korozion> I'd guess gcc
[25-Sep-2006 16:57:30] <annoyed> the only error i got from the installer was "unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log"
[25-Sep-2006 16:57:44] <annoyed> had it
[25-Sep-2006 16:58:02] <annoyed> install.sh error checks for that
[25-Sep-2006 16:58:08] <korozion> make?
[25-Sep-2006 16:58:09] <korozion> I dunno
[25-Sep-2006 16:58:14] <annoyed> g++ too
[25-Sep-2006 16:58:34] <annoyed> maybe a secific version
[25-Sep-2006 16:58:44] <annoyed> but that's pretty picky
[25-Sep-2006 16:59:10] <annoyed> actualll, no
[25-Sep-2006 16:59:51] <annoyed> because i could configure/make Zope from the build dir that the installer produced manually
[25-Sep-2006 17:00:22] <annoyed> weird
[25-Sep-2006 17:00:27] <korozion> indeed weird :S
[25-Sep-2006 17:00:54] <annoyed> after i built manually the install errored on the next task
[25-Sep-2006 17:01:07] <annoyed> just after zope
[25-Sep-2006 17:02:30] <korozion> :S
[25-Sep-2006 17:03:18] <annoyed> know which Zlib it needs?
[25-Sep-2006 17:03:20] <korozion> It'd be nice to rip apart the install script, and rewrite one for Debian etc
[25-Sep-2006 17:03:57] <annoyed> it'd be nice to have a .deb
[25-Sep-2006 17:04:33] <annoyed> just imagine apt-get install zenoss
[25-Sep-2006 17:04:41] <annoyed> done
[25-Sep-2006 17:04:52] <korozion> yeah, you'd just have to tell it the deps
[25-Sep-2006 17:05:06] <korozion> I was starting on it, but became too busy
[25-Sep-2006 17:06:48] <korozion> I also wonder if it's possible to use an existing zope install, rather than install another one
[25-Sep-2006 17:08:25] <annoyed> it probably is but the installer is not built for it
[25-Sep-2006 17:08:37] <annoyed> it fails if you don't run a make clean
[25-Sep-2006 17:09:44] <korozion> indeed
[25-Sep-2006 17:11:54] <annoyed> are you running on Deb?
[25-Sep-2006 17:12:14] <korozion> yes
[25-Sep-2006 17:12:24] <annoyed> any issues?
[25-Sep-2006 17:12:33] <annoyed> after install that is
[25-Sep-2006 17:12:43] <korozion> dunno, zenoss is on my ubuntu desktop machine right now
[25-Sep-2006 17:12:52] <korozion> I was going to get used to zenoss, then write the debian install process
[25-Sep-2006 17:13:15] <annoyed> i couldn't get it running on ubuntu
[25-Sep-2006 17:13:26] <korozion> went pretty fast on my ubuntu box
[25-Sep-2006 17:13:42] <annoyed> it was a test box for me so it was very dirty
[25-Sep-2006 17:14:09] <annoyed> the installer ran but there were sql errors with the event tables
[25-Sep-2006 17:15:08] <annoyed> lots of posts about them on the mailing list but no answers
[25-Sep-2006 17:15:38] <korozion> yeah, it's hard when the user community isn't so big yet
[25-Sep-2006 17:16:40] <annoyed> yeah, the entire list is under 1 mb
[25-Sep-2006 17:16:57] <korozion> ouchie
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[25-Sep-2006 17:20:37] <jakehow> can zenoss monitor cisco switches and routers as well?
[25-Sep-2006 17:20:57] <annoyed> yeah
[25-Sep-2006 17:21:02] <annoyed> snmp
[25-Sep-2006 17:21:15] <annoyed> or nagios checks
[25-Sep-2006 17:21:42] <annoyed> I'll be able to answer that better once installed
[25-Sep-2006 17:24:39] <annoyed> im sure it can though
[25-Sep-2006 17:26:51] <annoyed> well gotta run...
[25-Sep-2006 17:27:01] <annoyed> thanks for yor help
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[26-Sep-2006 13:08:30] <gdavis> ls
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[26-Sep-2006 14:21:28] <elddik> hello, anyone around?
[26-Sep-2006 14:25:55] <elddik> i'm having a couple of problems with my ubuntu LAMP + zenoss install. when i add a device (windows box running snmp and wmi-snmp services) i get the following stack trace: http://cl1p.net/zenoss
[26-Sep-2006 14:25:55] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss trace (at cl1p.net)
[26-Sep-2006 14:27:31] <elddik> this is prb not the right place to ask this other question ... but i ssh to the ubuntu box, and my ssh session dies suddenly and i lose all network to the ubuntu box.
[26-Sep-2006 14:28:02] <elddik> can't even access webservices from the ssh client box, but other machines on t he network can see it.... if anyone seen this behavoir ... plz chime in
[26-Sep-2006 14:31:43] * elddik contemplates his pain as he calculates how many hours away his server is
[26-Sep-2006 14:33:22] <gdavis> sorry i can't even get the install script to run on a clean box...
[26-Sep-2006 14:38:23] <elddik> gdavis, what's the os on your clean box?
[26-Sep-2006 14:59:54] <gdavis> debian sarge
[26-Sep-2006 15:00:11] <gdavis> zenbuild keeps failing
[26-Sep-2006 15:02:20] <gdavis> third time i've started from scratch
[26-Sep-2006 15:02:29] <gdavis> it shouldn't be this delacate
[26-Sep-2006 15:06:55] <elddik> try ubuntu
[26-Sep-2006 15:07:42] <gdavis> that was my first try
[26-Sep-2006 15:08:06] <elddik> There's even a nice tutorial: http://www.howtoforge.com/zenoss_network_monitor_ubuntu
[26-Sep-2006 15:08:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Installing Zenoss network monitor on a Ubuntu Server | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials (at www.howtoforge.com)
[26-Sep-2006 15:08:54] <elddik> my problem is with the sshd config. sadly, i'm not infront of the machine to vent my frustration.
[26-Sep-2006 15:09:13] <elddik> and ssh keeps dying on me and taking away the connection to the box
[26-Sep-2006 15:09:17] * elddik screams
[26-Sep-2006 15:10:15] <gdavis> I've read that and most of it applies to deb as well. also it shouldn't only run under ubuntu, it's all source.
[26-Sep-2006 15:11:01] <gdavis> set a cron job to make sure its running every few minutes until you figure it out.
[26-Sep-2006 15:11:26] <gdavis> at least then you can work on it
[26-Sep-2006 15:15:09] <elddik> i know, i just like that the mysql stuff is done for me
[26-Sep-2006 15:15:46] <elddik> u wouldn't happen to know any ssh magic?
[26-Sep-2006 15:17:09] <gdavis> sshd dies or you just get disconned?
[26-Sep-2006 15:29:58] <elddik> yea
[26-Sep-2006 15:30:53] <elddik> i get disconnected and then i lose all network services between my local box and the server
[26-Sep-2006 15:31:06] <elddik> other machines on the same network can access network services
[26-Sep-2006 15:31:23] <gdavis> are you local to the box?
[26-Sep-2006 15:33:47] <elddik> not sure what u mean
[26-Sep-2006 15:35:11] <elddik> i'm home, the box is at work. i connect by rdc-ing (eek!) in to a windows box on the same network and use putty to ssh
[26-Sep-2006 15:36:23] <gdavis> do you stay connected to the rdp session?
[26-Sep-2006 15:37:34] <elddik> yes
[26-Sep-2006 15:39:00] <elddik> its just weird that it takes the network between my client and the unix server
[26-Sep-2006 15:39:45] <elddik> i've never encountered this in the freebsd world
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[26-Sep-2006 16:13:34] <elddik> hope dies
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[27-Sep-2006 14:50:51] <kiddle> *knock* *knock*
[27-Sep-2006 14:53:46] <kiddle> Anyone around used ubuntu as a zenoss server?
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[27-Sep-2006 15:13:16] <creiht> kiddle: I did for my original testing
[27-Sep-2006 15:13:29] <creiht> And it worked very well
[27-Sep-2006 15:13:59] <creiht> All of our production servers run Redhat, so my current production setup is running on that
[27-Sep-2006 15:15:14] <creiht> kiddle: Someone also wrote a howto not to long ago:
[27-Sep-2006 15:15:29] <creiht> http://www.howtoforge.com/zenoss_network_monitor_ubuntu
[27-Sep-2006 15:15:29] <adytum-bot> Title: Installing Zenoss network monitor on a Ubuntu Server | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials (at www.howtoforge.com)
[27-Sep-2006 15:49:55] <kiddle> creiht: I followed the tutorial and have problems
[27-Sep-2006 15:56:38] <creiht> kiddle: I have to go to a meeting, I'll try to help when I get back
[27-Sep-2006 15:56:39] <kiddle> i use ssh to connect to the server and when the session dies, I can't reach the network
[27-Sep-2006 15:57:05] <kiddle> it takes out the server as well (connection refused if any other machine tries to make that connection)
[27-Sep-2006 15:57:21] <kiddle> however, if i ssh in w/ putty, the service is available again
[27-Sep-2006 15:57:36] <kiddle> creiht: ty
[27-Sep-2006 16:41:28] <creiht> kiddle: Hmmm well that is beyond my understanding of the systems
[27-Sep-2006 16:41:43] <creiht> I would suggestion posting to the mailing list
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[27-Sep-2006 16:59:17] <kiddle> ahh. well.
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[28-Sep-2006 16:12:52] <rputzler> For a given user, can I have some alerts go to one e-mail address and others go to another?
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[28-Sep-2006 18:06:46] <difeta> I am getting a ping timeout when trying to snmpwalk my snmp controller. ANy ideas on where I can begin to troubleshoot?
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[29-Sep-2006 15:52:16] <zoehead> Hello, does anyone have knowledge on customizing the zenoss pages?
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[30-Sep-2006 16:54:52] <bin2hex> anyone here running Zenoss from the VMAppliance ?
[30-Sep-2006 16:55:39] <bin2hex> I started using it 2 days ago and I love it but the SNMP service seems to give up every few hours
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[30-Sep-2006 17:10:47] <bin2hex> HI, anyone here having probs with the SNMP services stopping every few hours - Im using the VM Applicance
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[30-Sep-2006 18:19:42] <quux> Howdy there. Nice looking product
[30-Sep-2006 18:20:07] <bin2hex> Hi, its very quiet in here
[30-Sep-2006 18:20:13] <bin2hex> my first visit too
[30-Sep-2006 18:20:23] <bin2hex> no-one talking
[30-Sep-2006 18:20:26] <bin2hex>
[30-Sep-2006 18:20:53] <quux> Just guessing, I bet they're more active during workaday hours
[30-Sep-2006 18:21:05] <bin2hex> more than likely
[30-Sep-2006 18:21:11] <quux> Are you running the vmware image?
[30-Sep-2006 18:21:16] <bin2hex> yes
[30-Sep-2006 18:21:28] <bin2hex> do you have any issue with snmp stopping all the time?
[30-Sep-2006 18:21:44] <quux> Not yet, but it's only been going for an hour
[30-Sep-2006 18:22:01] <quux> I did notice that it's not getting snmp info from *itself* ...
[30-Sep-2006 18:22:11] <bin2hex> mine works great for an hour or so then the SNMP stuff seems to stop
[30-Sep-2006 18:22:14] <quux> and there's no 'man' !
[30-Sep-2006 18:22:38] <bin2hex> there is a pdf guide
[30-Sep-2006 18:22:43] <bin2hex> and a wiki
[30-Sep-2006 18:23:02] <quux> yeah. At the moment I'm just wondering how to check if net-snmp is running locally
[30-Sep-2006 18:23:15] <bin2hex> thats why Im here - kinda
[30-Sep-2006 18:24:38] <bin2hex> I *think* there is a deamon called zenperfsnmp
[30-Sep-2006 18:24:44] <bin2hex> and it might be that
[30-Sep-2006 18:25:09] <quux> run bin/zenoss status
[30-Sep-2006 18:25:22] <quux> mine shows: Daemon: zenperfsnmp program running; pid=1692
[30-Sep-2006 18:25:30] <bin2hex> will do next time it stops
[30-Sep-2006 18:26:00] <bin2hex> so it looks like yours is working - have you added servers in yet ?
[30-Sep-2006 18:26:07] <quux> a couple
[30-Sep-2006 18:26:16] <quux> via autodiscover
[30-Sep-2006 18:26:17] <bin2hex> I have 8
[30-Sep-2006 18:26:51] <bin2hex> for a while it knows the size and utilisation on all the disks then it stops knowing
[30-Sep-2006 18:26:55] <bin2hex> when SNMP fails
[30-Sep-2006 18:27:04] <bin2hex> it also stops graphing my switchs
[30-Sep-2006 18:27:17] <bin2hex> its a real shame and it looks like a brilliant tool
[30-Sep-2006 18:27:29] <quux> well, it's version 0.23
[30-Sep-2006 18:27:45] <bin2hex> did you run auto discover via command line?
[30-Sep-2006 18:27:48] <quux> I suspect dev will move pretty fast, given what looks to be an ad blitz
[30-Sep-2006 18:27:51] <quux> yes
[30-Sep-2006 18:28:07] <quux> that's something they (imo) need to get into the web interface quickly
[30-Sep-2006 18:28:08] <bin2hex> ah so the player is running 0.23 then?
[30-Sep-2006 18:28:14] <bin2hex> I was wondering
[30-Sep-2006 18:28:28] <bin2hex> I was about to do a full install from scratch
[30-Sep-2006 18:28:47] <bin2hex> yes I agree
[30-Sep-2006 18:29:02] <bin2hex> looks like they have some major funding
[30-Sep-2006 18:29:07] <quux> I'm actually not sure. I went byt that (0.22 actually, my bad) being the latest release on the wiki
[30-Sep-2006 18:29:31] <bin2hex> hmmm, not sure how you tell
[30-Sep-2006 18:29:50] <quux> ahh. it's also in the name of the .vmx file
[30-Sep-2006 18:30:01] <bin2hex> LOL - didnt notice that
[30-Sep-2006 18:30:27] <bin2hex> install from scratch is a littel challenging :-/
[30-Sep-2006 18:30:35] <quux> gotta run, wife has rung the food bell. I need to be a good pavlovian husband ..
[30-Sep-2006 18:30:41] <bin2hex> cool
[30-Sep-2006 18:30:43] <bin2hex> see ay
[30-Sep-2006 18:30:46] <bin2hex> good luck
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[01-Sep-2006 08:39:08] <gravitron>
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[01-Sep-2006 10:28:53] <skopii> ahoy hoy #zenoss
[01-Sep-2006 10:29:23] <skopii> I have no idea why I am getting the error "ImportError: No module named Globals
[01-Sep-2006 10:29:32] <skopii> while trying to start zenping
[01-Sep-2006 10:29:59] <skopii> I added the lines (at ~22) to zenping.py:
[01-Sep-2006 10:30:00] <skopii> s.environ['PYTHONPATH']="/usr/local/zenoss/lib/python:/usr/local/zenoss"
[01-Sep-2006 10:30:00] <skopii> print os.environ['PYTHONPATH']
[01-Sep-2006 10:30:19] <skopii> it prints: /usr/local/zenoss/lib/python:/usr/local/zenoss
[01-Sep-2006 10:31:14] <skopii> -rwxr-xr-x 1 zenoss zenoss 1615 May 11 2004 /usr/local/zenoss/lib/python/Globals.py
[01-Sep-2006 10:32:30] <skopii> I guess ther is no one out there
[01-Sep-2006 10:32:44] <skopii> but this is wild, I see no reason why it would not import the mod...
[01-Sep-2006 10:51:39] <skopii> alright, I figured it out...RTFM!!! <3 sudo
[01-Sep-2006 10:52:01] <skopii> also, I think ping can be setuid root so any user can use it...
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[01-Sep-2006 12:26:24] <Kevin> hi
[01-Sep-2006 12:26:47] <Kevin> is it possible to use Zenoss for bandwidth monitoring?
[01-Sep-2006 12:29:56] <Kevin> <ding>
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[01-Sep-2006 12:51:40] <Kevin> hi everyone
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[01-Sep-2006 14:22:26] <dustobub> i am trying to get snmp-informant working to view performance graphs on my windows boxes, is there anything else I have to do with Zenoss after I install snmp-informant?
[01-Sep-2006 14:22:37] <dustobub> do I have to change perfconf?
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[01-Sep-2006 15:23:38] <Kevin> hi
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[03-Sep-2006 01:35:52] <laptop_crash3m> junix|work: fancy seeing you here
[03-Sep-2006 01:36:08] <foo> laptop_crash3m: Fancy seeing you here.
[03-Sep-2006 01:36:15] <laptop_crash3m> heh
[03-Sep-2006 01:36:17] <foo>
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[03-Sep-2006 15:14:51] <pd222> Hi all
[03-Sep-2006 15:15:07] <pd222> I was just installing zenoss looking at the INSTALL.txt
[03-Sep-2006 15:15:25] <pd222> Configure the username and password for zenperfsnmp in the config file
[03-Sep-2006 15:15:31] <pd222> what does this part do
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[03-Sep-2006 15:43:27] <laptop_crash3m> i'm going to guess polls remote systems via snmp for
[03-Sep-2006 15:43:30] <laptop_crash3m> stick around and find out :/
[04-Sep-2006 06:31:46] <skopii> what is the best time to catch the zenoss developers in here?
[04-Sep-2006 06:31:57] <skopii> I wouldn't mind picking their brains
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[05-Sep-2006 01:07:43] <laptop_crash3m> skopii: dunno, I've been here all weekend and havent noticed anyone looking developerish yet
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[05-Sep-2006 11:11:25] <b_52Free> :~/zenoss-0.22.2$ ./install.sh
[05-Sep-2006 11:11:25] <b_52Free> Unable to find python build environment
[05-Sep-2006 11:11:35] <b_52Free> python is installed
[05-Sep-2006 11:14:00] <b_52Free> echo $PYTHON
[05-Sep-2006 11:14:00] <b_52Free>
[05-Sep-2006 11:14:03] <b_52Free> is empty
[05-Sep-2006 11:14:04] <b_52Free> hm
[05-Sep-2006 11:27:33] <b_52Free> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/000642.html
[05-Sep-2006 11:27:33] <b_52Free> no answer
[05-Sep-2006 11:27:33] <b_52Free> :d
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[05-Sep-2006 12:25:47] <b_52Free> the solution was to install python-dev
[05-Sep-2006 12:25:48] <b_52Free> packages
[05-Sep-2006 12:34:23] <b_52Free> any one around
[05-Sep-2006 12:35:50] <oubiwann> yup
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[05-Sep-2006 12:58:29] <b_52Free> eoooooooooooo
[05-Sep-2006 12:58:32] <b_52Free>
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[06-Sep-2006 06:12:18] <b_52Free> someone there ?
[06-Sep-2006 06:45:09] <b_52Free> hm
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[06-Sep-2006 19:33:50] <em-dash> this channel is for the zenoss of www.zenoss.org, correct?
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[07-Sep-2006 07:10:27] <rexsum> are the custom patches for pysnmp and twisted included in a new revision of those packages?
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[07-Sep-2006 09:39:38] <rexsum> 2006-09-07 12:02:12 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: Unresponsive devices: [['dyn165', 1, 28]]
[07-Sep-2006 09:39:53] <rexsum> it reads out and monitors processes on the device
[07-Sep-2006 09:40:10] <rexsum> but empty perf graphs and this error in the logs
[07-Sep-2006 09:40:46] <rexsum> any idea why
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[07-Sep-2006 11:32:27] <rexsum> the dtnl files in the zenoss tree are they used at all?
[07-Sep-2006 11:32:34] <rexsum> dtml even
[07-Sep-2006 11:37:50] <creiht> rexsum: I would guess that they are used to render pages in the web interface
[07-Sep-2006 11:38:21] <rexsum> yeah but i've looked at the pages and cant say i ever encountered them in the webinterface
[07-Sep-2006 11:38:39] <rexsum> just trying to determine the relevant zenoss files in the project tree and how it interacts with zope
[07-Sep-2006 11:38:52] <rexsum> is zope itself usefull? or slowly ying?
[07-Sep-2006 11:38:59] <rexsum> *dying even
[07-Sep-2006 11:41:03] <creiht> rexsum: Depends on who you ask
[07-Sep-2006 11:41:48] <creiht> Personally I think zope will still be around for a while
[07-Sep-2006 11:42:06] <creiht> There are a couple of advantages that the zenoss app takes advantage of with zope
[07-Sep-2006 11:42:21] <rexsum> yeah i figured that
[07-Sep-2006 11:42:25] <creiht> 1. With ZODB you get automatic change control for your devices
[07-Sep-2006 11:42:34] <creiht> and other configuration information
[07-Sep-2006 11:42:53] <rexsum> not sure what you mean by that
[07-Sep-2006 11:43:19] <rexsum> it updates the pages as the zope db gets updated by the daemons?
[07-Sep-2006 11:43:25] <rexsum> like push updates out to the webpage?
[07-Sep-2006 11:43:47] <creiht> Basically every change you make to configuration (adding devices, devices being remodeled, etc.) are stored
[07-Sep-2006 11:43:55] <creiht> And can be reverted
[07-Sep-2006 11:44:07] <creiht> So say for example you accidently deleted a bunch of devices
[07-Sep-2006 11:44:14] <creiht> You could very easily bring them back
[07-Sep-2006 11:44:28] <creiht> Though I don't think that part is exposed yet in the zenoss ui
[07-Sep-2006 11:44:43] <creiht> But you can do it through the zope management console
[07-Sep-2006 11:44:46] <rexsum> the zenoss ui is rather limited/sparse
[07-Sep-2006 11:44:58] <creiht> rexsum: In what ways?
[07-Sep-2006 11:45:05] <rexsum> wished there were some links added next to certain fields pointing to what syntax it'll take etc
[07-Sep-2006 11:45:26] <creiht> rexsum: I would submit a ticket
[07-Sep-2006 11:45:32] <rexsum> and it seems to lack reporting features
[07-Sep-2006 11:45:52] <rexsum> hence me browsing the code to see how hard it is to get that in
[07-Sep-2006 11:45:53] <creiht> Yes, I have been told that is lower on the priority list at the moment
[07-Sep-2006 11:46:21] <rexsum> well it's not that vital
[07-Sep-2006 11:46:42] <rexsum> are there any guidelines i should follow if i write something usefull to get it into the zen tree?
[07-Sep-2006 11:47:20] <creiht> You can actually create new reports, though it is a bit rudimentary as you have to write the queries to pull the data
[07-Sep-2006 11:47:35] <creiht> rexsum: I'm not sure about any guidelines
[07-Sep-2006 11:47:55] <rexsum> queries is ok, but where do i do that?
[07-Sep-2006 11:48:09] <creiht> rexsum: Let me look... Erik showed it to me last week
[07-Sep-2006 11:48:33] <creiht> ahh yes
[07-Sep-2006 11:48:46] <creiht> Click on the Reports menu on the left hand side
[07-Sep-2006 11:48:52] <rexsum> check
[07-Sep-2006 11:48:56] <creiht> Then select for example Device Reports
[07-Sep-2006 11:49:04] <rexsum> k
[07-Sep-2006 11:49:34] <rexsum> and then?
[07-Sep-2006 11:49:52] <creiht> sorry
[07-Sep-2006 11:49:57] <creiht> Had to do real work for a sec
[07-Sep-2006 11:50:06] <rexsum>
[07-Sep-2006 11:50:37] <creiht> At the bottom, in the text field next to the Add button, type in the name of the report you want to create, and then click the Add button
[07-Sep-2006 11:50:58] <creiht> Click on your newly created report, and then hit the edit tab
[07-Sep-2006 11:51:11] <creiht> And at that point you are on your own
[07-Sep-2006 11:51:17] <creiht> I haven't fooled with it yet
[07-Sep-2006 11:51:28] <rexsum> hmm
[07-Sep-2006 11:51:51] <rexsum> what does it query on?
[07-Sep-2006 11:51:59] <rexsum> all rrd's? or the zope db?
[07-Sep-2006 11:52:14] <creiht> I do not know
[07-Sep-2006 11:52:33] <rexsum> heh ok
, i'll go play with it and leave a wiki[07-Sep-2006 11:52:47] <rexsum> seems the only serious thing lacking in zenoss is documentation heh
[07-Sep-2006 11:52:56] <creiht> Yeah they are working on that
[07-Sep-2006 11:53:09] <creiht> I heard that they either just did, or are about to hire a documentation person
[07-Sep-2006 11:53:28] <rexsum> what use have the manufacturer and mib section?
[07-Sep-2006 11:53:45] <rexsum> i've been able to add mib's to zenoss, though the currentt trunk doesnt seem to let me
[07-Sep-2006 11:53:55] <rexsum> not sure it actually does anything with it atm though
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[07-Sep-2006 11:54:19] <creiht> I'm not completely sure about those, as I have not used either yet
[07-Sep-2006 11:55:06] <rexsum> well next step for me is figure out the xml event logging and fetching xml documents from servers with value's to monitor
[07-Sep-2006 11:55:10] <creiht> Though I think some coming functionality is the ability for when a device is autodetected, and it is found in the manufacturers list, you can define what device class, group, and system it will be automatically assigned to
[07-Sep-2006 11:55:36] <rexsum> ah
[07-Sep-2006 11:56:01] <rexsum> well it's mostly 1u server clones running net-snmp with lm-sensors, so probably not much use to me
[07-Sep-2006 11:56:15] <creiht> Yeah same here
[07-Sep-2006 11:56:27] <creiht> It's more usefull for people doing monitoring of their networks
[07-Sep-2006 11:56:41] <creiht> switches, and routers and such
[07-Sep-2006 11:56:54] <rexsum> yeah i'd assume so
[07-Sep-2006 11:57:54] <rexsum> alright, thanx for the help creiht, i'm heading out
[07-Sep-2006 11:57:55] <rexsum> cya
[07-Sep-2006 11:58:18] <creiht> good luck
[07-Sep-2006 11:58:25] <rexsum> thanx
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[07-Sep-2006 15:28:00] <em-dash> hello? anybody around?
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[07-Sep-2006 17:57:29] <ksl> anyone around
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[07-Sep-2006 20:59:58] <em-dash_> hmm... still no one here?
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[07-Sep-2006 21:59:10] <oubiwann> em-dash: yeah, we're here... just step out sometimes ;-)
[07-Sep-2006 21:59:36] <em-dash> I've got a question about modeling a windows machine using snmp-informant
[07-Sep-2006 22:00:01] <em-dash> oubiwann: and I appreciate that you're here at all
[07-Sep-2006 22:00:10] <oubiwann> heh
[07-Sep-2006 22:01:36] <em-dash> basically, I have a package installed whose name includes an é (accented e)
[07-Sep-2006 22:01:49] <oubiwann> oh dear
[07-Sep-2006 22:01:55] <em-dash> and snmp barfs with : Hex-STRING: 43 61 63 68 E9 20 69 6E 20 43 3A 5C 43 61 63 68 65 53 79 73
[07-Sep-2006 22:02:07] <em-dash> where all the other installed packages are just fine
[07-Sep-2006 22:02:27] <oubiwann> yeah, I'm not sure how well unicode is supported in SNMP
[07-Sep-2006 22:02:46] <oubiwann> you need to email the list -- Eric Newton is our SNMP god
[07-Sep-2006 22:03:10] <em-dash> ok... that's kind of what I figured, but I thought I'd ask
[07-Sep-2006 22:03:19] <oubiwann> no worries :-)
[07-Sep-2006 22:03:37] <em-dash> do you know if there's any way to quickly hack around that code in zenoss, just so it'll use an underscore or something instead?
[07-Sep-2006 22:04:04] <oubiwann> I'm not sure that it is zenoss
[07-Sep-2006 22:04:09] <oubiwann> it could very well be PySNMP
[07-Sep-2006 22:04:42] <em-dash> that'd match what I'm seeing with snmpwalk --- the Hex-STRING I pasted above
[07-Sep-2006 22:05:09] <em-dash> whereas all the others are nice: STRING: "Windows XP Hotfix - KB834707"
[07-Sep-2006 22:05:16] <em-dash> ok, I'll e-mail the list
[07-Sep-2006 22:05:26] <oubiwann> I think everything should be unicode -- it drives me nuts that it has been so long in adoption
[07-Sep-2006 22:05:43] <oubiwann> even the python logging module can't handle unicode properly
[07-Sep-2006 22:05:47] <oubiwann> it's crazy-making
[07-Sep-2006 22:06:06] <em-dash> it's like watching glaciers move
[07-Sep-2006 22:06:09] <oubiwann> heh
[07-Sep-2006 22:06:24] <em-dash> powerful and awe-inspiring, but <yawn>
[07-Sep-2006 22:06:36] <em-dash> oh well, thanks oubiwann... say, you're not affiliated with trac, are you?
[07-Sep-2006 22:06:42] <oubiwann> and it doesn't make any sense either -- there' such a huge following in Europe
[07-Sep-2006 22:07:03] <oubiwann> nah, I'm not; other than the fact I have about a billion trac installs ;-)
[07-Sep-2006 22:07:22] <em-dash> yeah, and on the list I see traffic from all over the place -- east asia, europe, india
[07-Sep-2006 22:07:37] <em-dash> oh, ok, thought maybe I'd seen you hanging around in #trac some time
[07-Sep-2006 22:08:18] <em-dash> time for me to go home -- thanks again for the input
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[08-Sep-2006 11:54:45] <ksl> hello
[08-Sep-2006 11:56:52] <ksl> im having a problem with zenoss... when i try to start it i get lines liek this: Daemon: zeoctl Password:
[08-Sep-2006 11:56:59] <ksl> when i enter the password it says incorrect
[08-Sep-2006 11:57:11] <ksl> if i hit enter twice it forgets about asking the the password and says its started
[08-Sep-2006 11:57:14] <ksl> but its not working
[08-Sep-2006 12:11:49] <ksl> actually since i ran it as root it is working
[08-Sep-2006 12:11:55] <ksl> now i am getting a zope error
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[08-Sep-2006 18:19:57] <socialist> btw, you all can add Debian Stable and Unstable to your list of "it has been run on" on the download page
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[10-Sep-2006 11:40:18] <amazon> Hello, can anyone tell me the benefits of Zenoss over http://bixdata.com
[10-Sep-2006 11:40:31] <adytum-bot> Title: BixData | Cluster and Systems Management (at bixdata.com)
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[11-Sep-2006 05:25:38] <b_52CEntos> any one under freebsd
[11-Sep-2006 05:25:40] <b_52CEntos> ?
[11-Sep-2006 06:22:37] <b_52CEntos> Loading initial Zenoss objects into the Zeo database
[11-Sep-2006 06:22:37] <b_52CEntos> (this can take a few minutes)
[11-Sep-2006 06:22:46] <b_52CEntos> ;is taking more than 30 minutes
[11-Sep-2006 06:22:49] <b_52CEntos> is it normal ?
[11-Sep-2006 06:57:27] <b_52CEntos> hello
[11-Sep-2006 06:57:53] * b_52CEntos is going to send a cafe cup to the one who is going to rely to his "hello "
[11-Sep-2006 07:15:07] <skopii> hello
[11-Sep-2006 07:15:33] <skopii> as much as I love *BSD I would say just suck it up and run linooks
[11-Sep-2006 07:15:50] * b_52CEntos send a moroccan tea cup to skopii
[11-Sep-2006 07:15:51] <skopii> check the zenoss mailing list to see peoples various troubles w/ freebsd
[11-Sep-2006 07:15:55] <skopii> heh
[11-Sep-2006 07:16:00] <b_52CEntos> arghh sorry cafe
[11-Sep-2006 07:16:05] <skopii> this chan is really dead
[11-Sep-2006 07:16:19] <b_52CEntos> yeah
[11-Sep-2006 07:16:22] <skopii> I have been idling here for about 2 weeks now
[11-Sep-2006 07:16:35] <b_52CEntos> argh
[11-Sep-2006 07:16:37] <skopii> and have seen the dev guy (obiwann) only once
[11-Sep-2006 07:17:15] <skopii> but yeah, apparently zope has issues running on FreeBSD
[11-Sep-2006 07:17:26] <b_52CEntos> hm!
[11-Sep-2006 07:17:54] <skopii> and the zenoss docs are pretty sparse
[11-Sep-2006 07:18:10] <skopii> however, once you get it installed you will see that its a solid monitoring system
[11-Sep-2006 07:18:25] <b_52CEntos> all i see thqt zenoss is pretty slow
[11-Sep-2006 07:18:36] <b_52CEntos> the instqll
[11-Sep-2006 07:19:00] <skopii> yeah it shouldn't take that long to install
[11-Sep-2006 07:19:06] <skopii> maybe try using truss or strace
[11-Sep-2006 07:19:11] <skopii> to see why the pid is hanging...
[11-Sep-2006 07:19:33] <b_52CEntos> to restart a new installl i have just to remove my /home/zenoss /usr/local/zenoss that's it ?
[11-Sep-2006 07:19:43] <b_52CEntos> strace hm ok
[11-Sep-2006 07:19:44] <skopii> more or less
[11-Sep-2006 07:19:51] <skopii> truss should be installed
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[11-Sep-2006 07:20:01] <skopii> truss -p $PID
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[11-Sep-2006 07:20:57] <b_52CEntos> mail# ps aux | grep zenoss
[11-Sep-2006 07:20:57] <b_52CEntos> mail#
[11-Sep-2006 07:21:51] <skopii> heh
[11-Sep-2006 07:22:15] <skopii> I dunno what to tell you...
[11-Sep-2006 07:22:24] <b_52CEntos> ok :d
[11-Sep-2006 07:22:39] <skopii> like I said, try running it under linux
[11-Sep-2006 07:22:45] <skopii> it was a piece of cake to install
[11-Sep-2006 07:22:46] <b_52CEntos> i think i m gone try it on ubuntu
[11-Sep-2006 07:22:53] <b_52CEntos> ok
[11-Sep-2006 07:22:55] <skopii> nooooo
[11-Sep-2006 07:23:02] <skopii> come on...real men use debian
[11-Sep-2006 07:23:04] <b_52CEntos> ubuntu why ?
[11-Sep-2006 07:23:16] <b_52CEntos> skopii, i'm q KID
[11-Sep-2006 07:23:18] <b_52CEntos>
[11-Sep-2006 07:23:30] <skopii> not sure what a q KID is...
[11-Sep-2006 07:23:50] <b_52CEntos> debiqn is strating to sink ; leave before it to be late
[11-Sep-2006 07:24:04] <b_52CEntos> skopii, with debian sarge you have only mysql4
[11-Sep-2006 07:24:10] <skopii> not true
[11-Sep-2006 07:24:19] <skopii> dotdeb provides elite mysql+php pks
[11-Sep-2006 07:24:23] <skopii> dotdeb.org
[11-Sep-2006 07:24:31] <skopii> also, I would imageine mysql5 is in debian-testing now
[11-Sep-2006 07:25:13] <skopii> I think ubuntu is fine for people that have never used linux before and are considering it for a windows replacement
[11-Sep-2006 07:25:36] <b_52CEntos> http://dotdeb.org/howto/php5_and_php4_on_the_same_apache2 rich docs
[11-Sep-2006 07:25:36] <adytum-bot> Title: howto:php5_and_php4_on_the_same_apache2 [Dotdeb] (at dotdeb.org)
[11-Sep-2006 07:25:36] <skopii> but even in that situation there are some really annoying problems with their repositorys
[11-Sep-2006 07:25:52] <b_52CEntos> skopii, ubuntu rep ?
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:06] <skopii> if you wanna know how to run php4+php5
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:19] <skopii> you just install one as mod php
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:24] <skopii> and just use the other as the cgi/cli
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:27] <b_52CEntos> i want just install mysql5
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:38] <b_52CEntos> lats time i didn't from source
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:41] <skopii> http://dotdeb.org/mirrors
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:43] <b_52CEntos> i brake my sarge
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:47] <adytum-bot> Title: mirrors [Dotdeb] (at dotdeb.org)
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:49] <skopii> deb http://download.concepts.nl/dotdeb stable all
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:49] <skopii> deb-src http://download.concepts.nl/dotdeb stable all
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:52] <skopii> apt-get update
[11-Sep-2006 07:26:58] <skopii> apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
[11-Sep-2006 07:27:03] <adytum-bot> Title: Index of /dotdeb (at download.concepts.nl)
[11-Sep-2006 07:27:25] <b_52CEntos> hm ok
[11-Sep-2006 07:27:40] <skopii> you will also need the dev-headers to install modpython
[11-Sep-2006 07:27:47] <skopii> err not modpython
[11-Sep-2006 07:27:48] <skopii> LoL
[11-Sep-2006 07:27:50] <skopii> what am I saying
[11-Sep-2006 07:27:54] <skopii> python-mysql
[11-Sep-2006 07:28:26] <b_52CEntos> yeqh i have encountred the dev-headersproblem ....
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[11-Sep-2006 08:03:47] <b_52CEntos_> skopii, brb just get back my debian sarge
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[11-Sep-2006 08:48:02] <b_52Centos> skopii, under debian sarge
[11-Sep-2006 08:48:04] <b_52Centos> .....
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[11-Sep-2006 09:24:05] <b_52Centos> skopii, there ?
[11-Sep-2006 09:25:00] <b_52Centos> ok i foudn it :d
[11-Sep-2006 09:52:54] <b_52Centos> Installing libart-install
[11-Sep-2006 09:52:55] <b_52Centos> unpacking freetype-2.1.9 in build/
[11-Sep-2006 09:52:55] <b_52Centos> configuring build/freetype-2.1.9/Makefile
[11-Sep-2006 09:52:55] <b_52Centos> Installing freetype-install
[11-Sep-2006 09:52:55] <b_52Centos> make: *** [freetype-install] Erreur 2
[11-Sep-2006 09:52:56] <b_52Centos> unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log
[11-Sep-2006 09:53:03] <b_52Centos> is it sound familiar
[11-Sep-2006 09:53:05] <b_52Centos> to someone ?
[11-Sep-2006 10:26:27] <b_52Centos> boys zich g+++ have you installed ??
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[11-Sep-2006 12:20:02] <dwight7001> does anyone here have any experience with installing zenwin?
[11-Sep-2006 12:20:22] <dwight7001> it seems to kick back the --help no matter what command line options i use
[11-Sep-2006 12:21:48] <creiht> dwight7001: Just to make sure... Are you running zenwin on a windows box?
[11-Sep-2006 12:22:50] <dwight7001> heh, yes. i mean i'm hungover but not THAT hungover
[11-Sep-2006 12:23:05] <creiht> hehe
[11-Sep-2006 12:23:23] <creiht> I haven't used it yet... so I can't help beyond that... sorry
[11-Sep-2006 12:23:31] <dwight7001> thanks
[11-Sep-2006 12:23:46] <dwight7001> i've been trying out zenoss for the first time
[11-Sep-2006 12:23:57] <dwight7001> marvelous package
[11-Sep-2006 12:24:12] <creiht> I like it a lot
[11-Sep-2006 12:24:19] <dwight7001> snmp setup was simple and the web interface is divine
[11-Sep-2006 12:24:37] <dwight7001> but this zenwin package is driving me nuts
[11-Sep-2006 12:25:40] <dwight7001> i have several *nix machines reporting flawlessly but i would really like more detailed reporting on the windows side...
[11-Sep-2006 12:26:33] <creiht> What info do you need?
[11-Sep-2006 12:27:08] <dwight7001> event logs... unless i'm totally missing something... the windows event logs are not appearing in zenoss
[11-Sep-2006 12:27:16] <creiht> I've been using SNMPInformant, and get quite a bit of info on our windows boxes
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[11-Sep-2006 12:27:19] <creiht> ahhh
[11-Sep-2006 12:27:42] <b_52CEntos> re
[11-Sep-2006 12:27:46] <creiht> Yeah I don't think SNMPInformant exposes that
[11-Sep-2006 12:28:12] <creiht> Is there anything that can send event logs to a syslog server?
[11-Sep-2006 12:28:59] <creiht> Otherwise then you would need to get zenwin working... I would post a message to the mailing list
[11-Sep-2006 12:29:09] <creiht> off to lunch... bbl
[11-Sep-2006 12:29:20] <b_52CEntos> cp: /home/zenoss/skel/etc: No such file or directory
[11-Sep-2006 12:29:20] <b_52CEntos> gmake: *** [zope-install] Error 1
[11-Sep-2006 12:29:20] <b_52CEntos> unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log
[11-Sep-2006 12:29:23] <b_52CEntos> bash-2.05b$
[11-Sep-2006 12:29:26] <dwight7001> excellent idea... thank you
[11-Sep-2006 12:35:31] <dwight7001> sorry b_52, I did not compile from source.
[11-Sep-2006 12:36:15] <b_52CEntos> oh is there package?
[11-Sep-2006 12:36:21] <b_52CEntos> for wich distro ?
[11-Sep-2006 12:44:13] <dwight7001> no, I used the premade virtual machine in VMTN
[11-Sep-2006 12:44:20] <dwight7001> just to try it out
[11-Sep-2006 12:45:12] <b_52CEntos> hm
[11-Sep-2006 12:45:13] <b_52CEntos> ok
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[11-Sep-2006 16:06:52] <b_52CEntos> installing into /home/zenoss
[11-Sep-2006 16:06:52] <b_52CEntos> build log is in zenbuild.log
[11-Sep-2006 16:06:52] <b_52CEntos> installing libzenos/Products.tar.gz
[11-Sep-2006 16:06:52] <b_52CEntos> installing libzenos/bin.tar.gz
[11-Sep-2006 16:06:52] <b_52CEntos> installing zope
[11-Sep-2006 16:06:53] <b_52CEntos> gmake: *** [zope-install] Error 2
[11-Sep-2006 16:06:55] <b_52CEntos> unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log
[11-Sep-2006 16:08:04] <b_52CEntos> someone around
[11-Sep-2006 16:10:57] <creiht> b_52CEntos: What does zenbuild.log say?
[11-Sep-2006 16:11:06] <creiht> Notice any errors?
[11-Sep-2006 16:13:07] <b_52CEntos> yeah plenty
[11-Sep-2006 16:13:13] <b_52CEntos> 1 minute to correct them
[11-Sep-2006 16:13:16] <b_52CEntos> :d
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[11-Sep-2006 16:34:51] <b_52Centos> re
[11-Sep-2006 16:34:54] <b_52Centos> still have
[11-Sep-2006 16:34:57] <b_52Centos> Zope binaries installed successfully.
[11-Sep-2006 16:34:57] <b_52Centos> Now run '/home/zenoss/bin/mkzopeinstance.py'
[11-Sep-2006 16:34:57] <b_52Centos> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final'
[11-Sep-2006 16:34:57] <b_52Centos> debian:/home/mohammed#
[11-Sep-2006 16:35:03] <b_52Centos> in the zenbuild log
[11-Sep-2006 16:37:34] <b_52Centos> any one awake
[11-Sep-2006 16:39:05] <creiht> b_52CEntos: Hmmm you got me
Perhaps post it on the mailing list?[11-Sep-2006 16:41:30] <b_52Centos> creiht, hm yeah .......
[11-Sep-2006 16:41:39] <b_52Centos> i have post
[11-Sep-2006 16:41:41] <b_52Centos>
[11-Sep-2006 16:42:04] <b_52Centos> but it didn't solve the problem :d
[11-Sep-2006 16:44:10] <creiht> What os are you building on?
[11-Sep-2006 16:44:25] <b_52Centos> a bastard Debian Sage
[11-Sep-2006 16:44:45] <b_52Centos> under freebsd too but the problem under free are *2
[11-Sep-2006 16:45:13] <creiht> hehe
[11-Sep-2006 16:45:28] <creiht> Well I have done it on Ubuntu and it went fairly well
[11-Sep-2006 16:45:36] <creiht> What directory are you installing to?
[11-Sep-2006 16:46:19] <b_52Centos> /usr/local/zenoss
[11-Sep-2006 16:46:33] <b_52Centos> i think i'm gone switch under ubuntu
[11-Sep-2006 16:46:36] <creiht> hehe
[11-Sep-2006 16:46:39] <creiht> Well I would try this
[11-Sep-2006 16:46:45] <creiht> well
[11-Sep-2006 16:46:48] <b_52Centos> under drqpper is there mysql5 by default ?
[11-Sep-2006 16:47:02] <creiht> are you upgrading or installing fresh
[11-Sep-2006 16:47:18] <b_52Centos> installing fresh
[11-Sep-2006 16:47:23] <creiht> hmmm... I don't remember, but I don't think I had any problems installing it
[11-Sep-2006 16:47:29] <b_52Centos> hhh
[11-Sep-2006 16:47:33] <b_52Centos> on debain too :d
[11-Sep-2006 16:47:39] <b_52Centos> dis you install it from source ?
[11-Sep-2006 16:47:43] <creiht> Then I would delete everything under /usr/local/zenoss
[11-Sep-2006 16:48:00] <creiht> Do a process list, and kill anything that is python/zope related
[11-Sep-2006 16:48:08] <creiht> and try re-installing
[11-Sep-2006 16:48:23] <creiht> I have had a couple of times where that fixed some install problems I was having
[11-Sep-2006 16:48:51] <creiht> As for Mysql I don't remember buy I could have sworn that I installed everything I needed through APT
[11-Sep-2006 16:49:22] <b_52Centos> hm ok
[11-Sep-2006 16:49:49] <creiht> It's been a while though, so I don't remember... I just remember getting it installed
[11-Sep-2006 16:50:20] <b_52Centos> heh
[11-Sep-2006 16:51:17] <b_52Centos> do you have python 2.4
[11-Sep-2006 16:51:22] <creiht> yes
[11-Sep-2006 16:51:25] <b_52Centos> installed ?
[11-Sep-2006 16:51:31] <creiht> yes
[11-Sep-2006 16:51:41] <b_52Centos> could you give from wich mirror did you take it ?
[11-Sep-2006 16:52:10] <creiht> I think 2.4 is default in Dapper
[11-Sep-2006 16:52:19] <creiht> yes it is
[11-Sep-2006 16:52:24] <b_52Centos> grr sorry i forget ubuntu
[11-Sep-2006 17:31:02] <b_52Centos> creiht, you know python ?
[11-Sep-2006 17:32:10] <b_52Centos> copying /home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final/build-base/python-2.3/build-lib/version.txt -> /home/zenoss/lib/python
[11-Sep-2006 17:32:10] <b_52Centos> byte-compiling /home/zenoss/lib/python/RestrictedPython/tests/before_and_after24.py to before_and_after24.pyc
[11-Sep-2006 17:32:10] <b_52Centos> File "/home/zenoss/lib/python/RestrictedPython/tests/before_and_after24.py", line 30
[11-Sep-2006 17:32:10] <b_52Centos> x = (y**2 for y in whatever if y > 3)
[11-Sep-2006 17:32:11] <b_52Centos> ^
[11-Sep-2006 17:32:13] <b_52Centos> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[11-Sep-2006 17:32:19] <b_52Centos> argh a syntax error
[11-Sep-2006 17:50:24] <creiht> b_52CEntos: Yes
[11-Sep-2006 17:50:33] <creiht> wierd
[11-Sep-2006 17:50:47] <creiht> Are you using a downloaded version, or checkout from svn?
[11-Sep-2006 17:51:35] <b_52Centos> zenoss
[11-Sep-2006 17:51:39] <b_52Centos> nedd pythn 2.4
[11-Sep-2006 17:51:46] <creiht> ahh
[11-Sep-2006 17:51:49] <creiht> hmm
[11-Sep-2006 17:51:54] <b_52Centos> i have install it but he want remove the kernl image
[11-Sep-2006 17:51:56] <b_52Centos> so
[11-Sep-2006 17:52:04] <creiht> heh
[11-Sep-2006 17:52:08] <b_52Centos> i think i' m gon switch to ubuntu :d
[11-Sep-2006 17:52:22] * b_52Centos has downladed Kubuntu
[11-Sep-2006 17:53:34] <creiht> hehe
[11-Sep-2006 17:53:58] <b_52Centos> :d
[11-Sep-2006 17:54:14] <b_52Centos> i am tired of installing linux's stuff
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[12-Sep-2006 10:25:55] <b_52Centos> holla
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[12-Sep-2006 10:47:29] <b_52Centos> guys wich gcc
[12-Sep-2006 10:47:32] <b_52Centos> do you have
[12-Sep-2006 10:47:42] <b_52Centos> skopii: wich one on ubvuntu ?
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:25] <b_52Centos> unable to execute gcc: No such file or directory
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:29] <b_52Centos> error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:33] <b_52Centos> make[1]: *** [build] Erreur 1
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:37] <b_52Centos> make[1]: quittant le répertoire « /home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final »
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:37] <b_52Centos> mardi 12 septembre 2006, 14:50:22 (UTC+0000)
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:37] <b_52Centos> make[1]: entrant dans le répertoire « /home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final »
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:37] <b_52Centos> /usr/bin/python2.4 "/home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final/setup.py" \
[12-Sep-2006 10:52:38] <b_52Centos> build --build-base="/home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final/build-base/python-2.4" --build-lib="/home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final/build-base/python-2.4/build-lib" --build-scripts="/home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final/build-base/python-2.4/build-scripts" --build-temp="/home/mohammed/zenoss-0.22.2/build/Zope-2.8.8-final/build-base/python-2.4/build-temp"
[12-Sep-2006 10:53:13] <creiht> b_52Centos: Did you upgrade to ubunut?
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:10] <b_52Centos> creiht: my ubuntu is fresh
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:22] <b_52Centos> fro; zhat i see she don4t regonize the gcc
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:26] <b_52Centos> command
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:29] <creiht> b_52Centos: cool... Ubuntu doesn't install gcc by default
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:37] <b_52Centos> but i have just installed gcc 3.4
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:39] <creiht> There is a base package that you can install
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:41] <b_52Centos> :d
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:48] <creiht> That install's all the development stuff
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:49] <creiht> oh
[12-Sep-2006 10:54:54] <b_52Centos> :d
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:14] <b_52Centos> apt-get install gcc-3.4
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:14] <b_52Centos> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:14] <b_52Centos> Construction de l'arbre des dépendances... Fait
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:15] <b_52Centos> gcc-3.4 est déjà la plus récente version disponible.
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:15] <b_52Centos> 0 mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 15 non mis à jour.
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:20] <b_52Centos> gcc instal done :d
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:46] <b_52Centos> should i install the gcc-3.4-base - The GNU Compiler Collection (base package) too
[12-Sep-2006 10:55:47] <b_52Centos> ?
[12-Sep-2006 10:56:00] <creiht> apt get build-essentials
[12-Sep-2006 10:56:30] <creiht> that should give you everything you need
[12-Sep-2006 10:57:22] <b_52Centos> ok
[12-Sep-2006 10:57:30] <b_52Centos> aptgetting ........... :d
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[12-Sep-2006 11:04:56] <ashcrow_> I can't seem to figure out how to change the admin password for zenoss ... can anyone point me in the right direction? ./zenpass and then ./zenoss restart still holds the original password
[12-Sep-2006 11:05:48] <ashcrow_> it's driving me insane :-)
[12-Sep-2006 11:06:14] <b_52Centos> sorry i am just fighting with tghe installation didn't walking to that step yet
[12-Sep-2006 11:06:23] <b_52Centos> ashcrow_: morning
[12-Sep-2006 11:07:04] <creiht> ashcrow_: Do you know the original admin password?
[12-Sep-2006 11:07:47] <b_52Centos> admin i think
[12-Sep-2006 11:07:51] <b_52Centos> 'admin'
[12-Sep-2006 11:08:00] <ashcrow_> yes
[12-Sep-2006 11:08:44] <creiht> You can change the password through the Zope management interface
[12-Sep-2006 11:09:11] <creiht> Log into your site, but instead of going to /zport/dmd/ go to /manage
[12-Sep-2006 11:09:20] <creiht> log in with the old password
[12-Sep-2006 11:09:39] <creiht> Then click on acl_users
[12-Sep-2006 11:09:48] <creiht> Then click on the admin user
[12-Sep-2006 11:09:55] <creiht> and you should be able to change the password there
[12-Sep-2006 11:11:42] <ashcrow_> oh wow
[12-Sep-2006 11:11:48] <ashcrow_> I didn't know this existed
[12-Sep-2006 11:11:49] <ashcrow_> thanks
[12-Sep-2006 11:12:07] <creiht> ashcrow_: No problem... Underneath everything it is still a Zope application
[12-Sep-2006 11:12:32] <ashcrow_> I honestly don't know much about zope --- I'm more of a Spring turned Django guy
[12-Sep-2006 11:12:40] <creiht> hehe
[12-Sep-2006 11:12:44] <creiht> Cool
[12-Sep-2006 11:12:48] * b_52Centos is smelling PHP !
[12-Sep-2006 11:12:53] <ashcrow_> php?
[12-Sep-2006 11:13:09] <b_52Centos> django is php based no ?
[12-Sep-2006 11:13:22] <ashcrow_> no python
[12-Sep-2006 11:13:24] <creiht> b_52Centos: nope
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[12-Sep-2006 11:13:57] <b_52Centos> hm ok
[12-Sep-2006 11:14:03] <creiht> b_52Centos: It's templating markup takes some ideas from PHP and smarty
[12-Sep-2006 11:14:16] <ashcrow_> creiht: ok I'm in the zope interface and looking for acl_users
[12-Sep-2006 11:14:51] <creiht> ashcrow_: It should be one of the folders in the list
[12-Sep-2006 11:14:51] <ashcrow_> I see ZenUsers
[12-Sep-2006 11:14:57] <creiht> hmmm
[12-Sep-2006 11:15:15] <ashcrow_> nm
[12-Sep-2006 11:15:17] <ashcrow_> I see it
[12-Sep-2006 11:15:24] <ashcrow_> I did /zport/dmd/manage
[12-Sep-2006 11:15:38] <creiht> ahh
[12-Sep-2006 11:15:38] <creiht> hehe
[12-Sep-2006 11:15:58] <ashcrow_> sweet, thanks!
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:02] <ashcrow_> creiht: are you one of the engineers?
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:09] <creiht> ashcrow_: hehe nope...
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:23] <ashcrow_> just a zope guy eh?
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:26] <creiht> I've just used it a bit now, and dug into a little
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[12-Sep-2006 11:16:30] <creiht> Well a python guy
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:30] <ashcrow_> cool
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:37] <ashcrow_> yeah I as well am a python guy
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:41] <creiht> That has done his fair share of Zope development
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:45] <ashcrow_> wxPython and Django
[12-Sep-2006 11:16:53] <creiht> I've done those as well
[12-Sep-2006 11:17:09] <ashcrow_> I started making rpms for Django svn a while back
[12-Sep-2006 11:17:10] <creiht> ashcrow_: Though currently I prefer Pylons for webapp development
[12-Sep-2006 11:17:20] <ashcrow_> pylons ... haven't heard of that one
[12-Sep-2006 11:17:39] <creiht> ashcrow_: http://pylonshq.com/
[12-Sep-2006 11:17:46] <ashcrow_> why pylons over django?
[12-Sep-2006 11:17:58] <creiht> ashcrow_: It's a lot more flexible
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:07] <ashcrow_> how so
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:13] <creiht> I can choose what templating engine best fits my project
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:16] <ashcrow_> ah
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:18] <ashcrow_> modular
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:18] <creiht> or which ORM I want to use
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:20] <creiht> yes
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:23] <creiht> very modular
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:27] <creiht> And stays out of your way
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:29] <ashcrow_> like turbo gears but more modular
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:32] <creiht> yes
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:39] <ashcrow_> I don't like that :-)
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:40] <creiht> It's very wsgi based
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:44] <ashcrow_> to each his own
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:45] <creiht> hehe
[12-Sep-2006 11:18:46] <creiht> yes
[12-Sep-2006 11:19:03] <ashcrow_> comming from the Spring world where each Spring app is compleatly different framework
[12-Sep-2006 11:19:09] <creiht> hehe
[12-Sep-2006 11:19:26] <creiht> I understand that... I dabbled in that world for a few months
[12-Sep-2006 11:20:02] <creiht> I have nothing against Django... It does some things very well
[12-Sep-2006 11:20:10] <b_52Centos> oading initial Zenoss objects into the Zeo database
[12-Sep-2006 11:20:10] <b_52Centos> (this can take a few minutes)
[12-Sep-2006 11:20:10] <b_52Centos> ZentinelPortal loaded at zport
[12-Sep-2006 11:20:16] <b_52Centos> is it take that long ?
[12-Sep-2006 11:20:41] <creiht> b_52Centos: I don't think it took too long for me
[12-Sep-2006 11:20:47] <b_52Centos> hm ok
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:05] <em-dash> there was an e-mail a while back about zeo db population taking a long time
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:19] <b_52Centos> yeah i see that in the maiiling list
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:25] <em-dash> are you performing a fresh install?
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:33] <b_52Centos> yeah
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:35] <em-dash> cause I believe the issue was about re-installing
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:42] <b_52Centos> a new ubuntu
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:47] <b_52Centos> who is just born :d
[12-Sep-2006 11:21:59] <em-dash> that's all I've got.... sorry
[12-Sep-2006 11:22:18] <b_52Centos> no problem
[12-Sep-2006 11:22:28] <b_52Centos> i see zenbiold the install is running
[12-Sep-2006 11:22:31] <b_52Centos> fromwhat i see :d
[12-Sep-2006 11:23:26] <b_52Centos> OFF the TOPIC question : do you know a crm based under Python who look lile to sugarcrm ?
[12-Sep-2006 11:23:45] <creiht> b_52Centos: Nothing that is mature
[12-Sep-2006 11:24:18] <b_52Centos> hm
[12-Sep-2006 11:24:29] <creiht> hehe... My thoughts exactly
[12-Sep-2006 11:24:40] <em-dash> sugarcrm is php, right?
[12-Sep-2006 11:24:47] <b_52Centos> yeap
[12-Sep-2006 11:25:17] * b_52Centos don't want to leanr php :d
[12-Sep-2006 11:25:25] <ashcrow_> you dont' have to learn php
[12-Sep-2006 11:25:30] <ashcrow_> it's super simple
[12-Sep-2006 11:25:30] <b_52Centos> heh :d
[12-Sep-2006 11:25:49] <ashcrow_> if you know any other language php is dead easy
[12-Sep-2006 11:25:59] * b_52Centos have sheat in his php exam :d
[12-Sep-2006 11:26:09] <ashcrow_> or php.net/whateverFuncName
[12-Sep-2006 11:26:24] * ashcrow_ use to be a php engineer for global lawyer apps
[12-Sep-2006 11:26:44] <creiht> is auditing some PHP code right now, and hating every minute of it
[12-Sep-2006 11:26:53] <b_52Centos> ashcrow_: could you recommand me a php book ?
[12-Sep-2006 11:26:57] <ashcrow_> it's easy, not fun :-)
[12-Sep-2006 11:27:00] <b_52Centos> creiht: heh
[12-Sep-2006 11:27:11] <ashcrow_> a lot of people write bad php code too
[12-Sep-2006 11:27:13] <ashcrow_> which makes it worse
[12-Sep-2006 11:27:53] <em-dash> anybody know if it's possible to create perf graphs of the ratio between multiple OID values?
[12-Sep-2006 11:28:04] <ashcrow_> IMHO the worst thing in PHP is when people do the stupid index.php which includes all other pages
[12-Sep-2006 11:28:35] <creiht> ashcrow_: Hehe... that's nothing... You should see some of the code that I have to look at
[12-Sep-2006 11:40:21] <ashcrow_> how bad?
[12-Sep-2006 11:41:55] <creiht> ashcrow_: Well one thing is implementing the same functionality over and over again, instead of creating a function for it
[12-Sep-2006 11:42:15] <creiht> And those usually include a lot of raw SQL queries
[12-Sep-2006 11:43:06] <creiht> And then for the things that are encapsulated in function calls, there are several versions that basically do the same thing scattered through out
[12-Sep-2006 11:43:17] <ashcrow_> wow
[12-Sep-2006 11:43:21] <ashcrow_> that is terrible
[12-Sep-2006 11:43:44] <creiht> Luckily I'm throwing most if it away
[12-Sep-2006 11:44:04] <ashcrow_> good
[12-Sep-2006 11:44:05] <creiht> But I still have to trace through it and document what I'm getting rid of
[12-Sep-2006 11:44:25] <ashcrow_> don't tell me .... a contractor wrote the code and is gone .. :-)
[12-Sep-2006 11:46:00] <creiht> ashcrow_: Hmmm... not exactly... I don't think I can get into too many details other than it is an app that has grown over the last 5 years and had a lot of hands in it
[12-Sep-2006 11:48:43] <ashcrow_> ah I see
[12-Sep-2006 11:48:49] <ashcrow_> so it's probably php3 code too
[12-Sep-2006 11:48:50] <ashcrow_> lovely
[12-Sep-2006 11:48:54] <creiht> hehe
[12-Sep-2006 11:48:54] <creiht> yup
[12-Sep-2006 11:49:02] <ashcrow_> creiht: where do you work?
[12-Sep-2006 11:49:13] <creiht> ashcrow_: Rackspace
[12-Sep-2006 11:49:19] <ashcrow_> cool
[12-Sep-2006 11:49:22] <ashcrow_> I work at Red Hat
[12-Sep-2006 11:49:36] <creiht> Ahhhh... cool... We like you guys
[12-Sep-2006 11:49:42] <ashcrow_> lol
[12-Sep-2006 11:54:48] <b_52Centos> tarannn finnally my zenoss is installed
[12-Sep-2006 11:55:04] * b_52Centos is jumping all over the room
..........[12-Sep-2006 11:55:39] * ashcrow_ applauds.
[12-Sep-2006 11:56:00] <creiht> hehe
[12-Sep-2006 11:56:20] <b_52Centos>
[12-Sep-2006 12:00:12] <em-dash> b_52CEntos: what did you have to do?
[12-Sep-2006 12:01:26] <b_52Centos> em-dash: you make to make it run ?
[12-Sep-2006 12:01:36] <b_52Centos> you mean to make it run ?
[12-Sep-2006 12:01:40] <em-dash> yes
[12-Sep-2006 12:03:12] <b_52Centos> just to follow the install with the ubuntu all my package are updated .... with the debian sarge the problem come from some package , but under ubuntu i didn't make any thing that is not listened in the install
[12-Sep-2006 12:06:39] <em-dash> what was the issue with the zeo db population taking so long? or did it just take a while?
[12-Sep-2006 12:07:57] <b_52Centos> the logs seems normal let say it take < 15/10 minute so it's ok i think
[12-Sep-2006 12:08:16] <em-dash> ok, good to know
[12-Sep-2006 12:08:31] <em-dash> congratulations on your success
[12-Sep-2006 12:08:43] <b_52Centos> thanks :d
[12-Sep-2006 12:11:17] <creiht> Has anyone here played with cfengine?
[12-Sep-2006 12:35:02] <b_52Centos> med@monitor:~/zenoss-0.22.2$ /home/zenoss/bin/zendisc run --net 192.168.1.0
[12-Sep-2006 12:35:03] <b_52Centos> sudo: unable to lookup monitor via gethostbyname()
[12-Sep-2006 12:35:25] <b_52Centos> is it a problem of right accessing or zen manipulaton ?
[12-Sep-2006 13:41:51] <em-dash> does anybody know how Zenoss derives the filesystem utilization percentage on the OS tab?
[12-Sep-2006 13:43:43] <creiht> em-dash: It gets the total drive space, and used drive space from SNMP, and then calculates a percentage
[12-Sep-2006 13:43:47] <creiht> I think
[12-Sep-2006 13:44:01] <em-dash> ok, what I meant is -- do you know what MIB it's using to get that info?
[12-Sep-2006 13:44:07] <creiht> oh
[12-Sep-2006 13:44:08] <em-dash> s/MIB/OID
[12-Sep-2006 13:44:12] <creiht> looking...
[12-Sep-2006 13:45:04] <em-dash> I thought it was from SNMP informant, but I get data from a win box w/o Informant, as well (MS default SNMP)
[12-Sep-2006 13:45:31] <creiht> em-dash: 1.3.6.1.2.1.25.2.3.1.6
[12-Sep-2006 13:45:35] <creiht> (OID)
[12-Sep-2006 13:45:59] <creiht> You can see this info at
[12-Sep-2006 13:46:00] <creiht> zport/dmd/Devices/Server/rrdTemplates/FileSystem
[12-Sep-2006 13:46:03] <creiht> On your server
[12-Sep-2006 13:46:08] <em-dash> aha
[12-Sep-2006 13:47:36] <em-dash> total SNMP n00b q: is there an easy way to determine in which MIB to find a given OID?
[12-Sep-2006 13:48:26] <em-dash> and not just the MIB, but the hierarchical location within the MIB
[12-Sep-2006 13:51:59] <creiht> em-dash: I'm a fellow SNMP n00b as well... so that is about as far as I know
[12-Sep-2006 13:52:56] <em-dash> well, thanks for pointing out the FileSystem rrd template
[12-Sep-2006 13:53:25] <em-dash> do you know much about rrdtool?
[12-Sep-2006 13:53:55] <em-dash> like how to compose a template that would graph a derived value (eg., disk utilization percentage)?
[12-Sep-2006 13:54:11] <creiht> I haven't gotten that far yet
[12-Sep-2006 13:54:51] <em-dash> Eric (Newton | Dahl) mentioned on the list that they just hired a documentation person
[12-Sep-2006 13:55:32] <em-dash> I'm very excited for that, because it seems that there's decent install docs, but medium/complex setup is totally a blackhole
[12-Sep-2006 13:55:55] <creiht> Yeah... He told me about that
[12-Sep-2006 13:56:14] <creiht> I'm looking forward to seeing more docs
[12-Sep-2006 13:56:22] <creiht> So that I don't have to poke around so much
[12-Sep-2006 13:57:22] <em-dash> I know -- "it's open source, just poke around" -- but man, Zenoss is a complex beast to learn by trial and error
[12-Sep-2006 13:58:31] <creiht> Yeah... and I don't know how many times I have said something like... It would be nice if Zenoss did X, and then Eric replies, oh yeah just go here, and click this button
[12-Sep-2006 13:59:10] <creiht> I wish the Eric's were not so busy... I miss seeing them here
[12-Sep-2006 13:59:35] <em-dash> that'd be awesome
[12-Sep-2006 14:01:32] <em-dash> ok, I'm being awfully chatty. one more concrete question: the FileSystem RRD Template has a threshhold with a max value set to `here.totalBlocks * .9' -- do you know how it's getting totalBlocks? it doesn't seem to be in the Host Resources MIB...
[12-Sep-2006 14:04:33] <creiht> em-dash: My guess is that it doesn't read the total blocks every time (since the total filesystem size doesn't really change that often, and relies instead upon a variable that is set initially when the device information is first collected.
[12-Sep-2006 14:06:05] <creiht> "here" is used in zope for variable scoping
[12-Sep-2006 14:06:27] <em-dash> creiht: good thinking. I bet you're right. You don't have any guess as to where such initial values might be stored, do you? If you're right, ZenModeler is probably doing the collecting. A list of such values would be handy
[12-Sep-2006 14:06:45] <em-dash> ok, that's very helpful, too
[12-Sep-2006 14:07:20] <creiht> I bet it is part of the device's model
[12-Sep-2006 14:07:27] <creiht> Not sure how you get to that
[12-Sep-2006 14:07:34] <creiht> But now you have made me curious
[12-Sep-2006 14:11:44] <creiht> em-dash: found it
[12-Sep-2006 14:11:57] <creiht> In your zenoss console
[12-Sep-2006 14:12:05] <creiht> Open up a device
[12-Sep-2006 14:12:36] <creiht> append /manage to it
[12-Sep-2006 14:12:46] <creiht> click on os
[12-Sep-2006 14:12:51] <creiht> then filesystems
[12-Sep-2006 14:13:15] <creiht> then one of the listed filesystems (in my case -)
[12-Sep-2006 14:13:27] <creiht> Click on the properties tab
[12-Sep-2006 14:13:40] <creiht> And there you see the totalBlocks variable
[12-Sep-2006 14:16:09] <em-dash> hmmm... let me take a look
[12-Sep-2006 14:16:21] <em-dash> are you looking at unix/linux systems?
[12-Sep-2006 14:17:25] <creiht> yes
[12-Sep-2006 14:20:50] <em-dash> wow... I haven't seen the Zope management interface before
[12-Sep-2006 14:41:52] <em-dash> creiht: you still around?
[12-Sep-2006 14:44:30] <creiht> em-dash: More or less
[12-Sep-2006 14:46:03] <em-dash> tell me if I'm pestering
-- I'm trying to attach the ethernet RRD Template to a switch in /Devices/Network/Switch, but I don't have the option to attach it. Any ideas?[12-Sep-2006 14:46:20] <em-dash> the ethernet RRD Template is in Devices
[12-Sep-2006 14:46:25] <creiht> hmmm
[12-Sep-2006 14:46:49] <creiht> What do you need in the ethernet RRD template that isn't already in the switches?
[12-Sep-2006 14:47:26] <em-dash> I want to set up perf monitoring on the switches... but I need to attach the RRD Template to do that, I believe
[12-Sep-2006 14:47:44] <creiht> Hmmm... perf monitoring should already work
[12-Sep-2006 14:47:49] <creiht> Without doing that
[12-Sep-2006 14:48:01] <creiht> I was testing monitoring some switches
[12-Sep-2006 14:48:06] <creiht> And it showed all the ports
[12-Sep-2006 14:48:10] <creiht> and the bw of those ports
[12-Sep-2006 14:48:27] <creiht> Is that what you are looking for, or do you need something else?
[12-Sep-2006 14:48:37] <em-dash> I see the ports, with MAC addresses
[12-Sep-2006 14:49:01] <em-dash> I'm looking for errors/ I/O / percentage bw utilized
[12-Sep-2006 14:49:12] <em-dash> graphs
[12-Sep-2006 14:49:13] <creiht> Let me look at mine real quick
[12-Sep-2006 14:49:52] <creiht> ok
[12-Sep-2006 14:50:07] <creiht> The O column means online and A means active
[12-Sep-2006 14:50:28] <creiht> You will only see graphs for items that have a green light in the O column
[12-Sep-2006 14:50:42] <creiht> Click on the name of the port, and you should see graphs
[12-Sep-2006 14:50:47] <em-dash> ooooohhhhhhh
[12-Sep-2006 14:51:07] <em-dash> ok, I totally misunderstood how that was supposed to work
[12-Sep-2006 14:51:50] <em-dash> thank you
[12-Sep-2006 14:51:58] <creiht> No problem... glad I could help
[12-Sep-2006 14:52:02] <em-dash> I mean, really... thank you
[12-Sep-2006 14:52:06] <creiht> hehe
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[13-Sep-2006 10:33:42] <rexsum> is the zenxmlperf plugin working properly? having some problems to get it to work
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[15-Sep-2006 06:28:39] <b_52Centos> i don't to be more stupid more i am by asking this noob question ? i have add a device of my router things were add well
[15-Sep-2006 06:29:06] <b_52Centos> how could i see his traffic networking ?
[15-Sep-2006 06:29:10] <b_52Centos> bandwich ?
[15-Sep-2006 06:32:35] <b_52Centos> ok perconf --> localcopy
[15-Sep-2006 06:32:38] <b_52Centos> and then ?
[15-Sep-2006 07:07:20] <b_52Centos> :snif
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[15-Sep-2006 09:06:57] <b_52Centos> under my /device/router
[15-Sep-2006 09:07:30] <b_52Centos> in the perconf -->>>> RRDDataSources there is just one event sysUpTime sysUpTime 1.3.6.1.2.1.1.3.0 GAUGE
[15-Sep-2006 09:07:53] <b_52Centos> wh i try to add it it don't work i mean add another event
[15-Sep-2006 09:08:08] <b_52Centos> to permit the monitoring it don't work
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[15-Sep-2006 09:22:22] * b_52Centos : <start> S.O.S</start>
[15-Sep-2006 09:24:04] <b_52Centos> the rrddtool te;plate are generated fro; the zPropreties ?
[15-Sep-2006 09:24:08] <b_52Centos> so
[15-Sep-2006 09:30:46] <b_52Centos> i have this warning that repaeat it self manelly
[15-Sep-2006 09:30:48] <b_52Centos> 2006-09-15 13:30:05 WARNING zen.ZenModeler no portscan plugins found for router
[15-Sep-2006 09:50:41] <b_52Centos> some one in the area?
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[15-Sep-2006 13:39:40] <em-dash> oubiwann: ping!
[15-Sep-2006 13:39:50] <oubiwann> pong!
[15-Sep-2006 13:40:22] <em-dash> not to pry, but are you duncan?
[15-Sep-2006 13:40:29] <em-dash> er, mcgreggor
[15-Sep-2006 13:40:32] <oubiwann> that I be
[15-Sep-2006 13:41:12] <em-dash> I was looking at some stuff about CoyMon / PyRRD, but it looks like projects.adytum.us is down... is this a known issue?
[15-Sep-2006 13:41:35] <oubiwann> yeah, there was a hard drive crash or SCSI buss gone bad
[15-Sep-2006 13:41:42] <oubiwann> hosting provider's tying to sort it out
[15-Sep-2006 13:41:45] <em-dash> oh, that was what that e-mail was referring to
[15-Sep-2006 13:41:51] <oubiwann> yup ;-)
[15-Sep-2006 13:42:14] <em-dash> ok, I assumed that was an issue with coyotemonitoring.com
[15-Sep-2006 13:42:44] <em-dash> darn... so no code or docs or anything re: PyRRD, huh?
[15-Sep-2006 13:42:52] <em-dash> I mean, published on the web, of course
[15-Sep-2006 13:45:39] <em-dash> one other thing... there's a Zenoss e-mail thread about network graphs --- apparently there are supposed to be links on the Manage tab, but I'm not seeing 'em (the links). any pointers?
[15-Sep-2006 13:46:23] <oubiwann> yeah, there are a set of links on the manage tab for devices
[15-Sep-2006 13:47:23] <em-dash> would this be for any device, or just /Devices/Network, or /Networks/?
[15-Sep-2006 13:47:50] <oubiwann> (don't get your hopes up, though... we've found all sorts of issues with various system installs of graphviz)
[15-Sep-2006 13:48:17] <oubiwann> for instance, if you go to one of your routers and click the manage tab, you will see a section at the bottom called "Graphs"
[15-Sep-2006 13:48:39] <em-dash> hmmm, haven't modeled any routers yet, but I don't see graphs on any of my devices
[15-Sep-2006 13:48:55] <em-dash> no 'Graphs' mention on the Manage tab
[15-Sep-2006 13:49:02] <em-dash> s/mention/mentioned
[15-Sep-2006 13:49:26] <em-dash> Only three sections -- Device Management, Maintenance Windows, & Administrators
[15-Sep-2006 13:50:24] <b_52Centos> yeah
[15-Sep-2006 13:50:26] <b_52Centos> :d
[15-Sep-2006 13:50:55] <b_52Centos> how graphs should be added ?
[15-Sep-2006 13:52:55] <oubiwann> em-dash: yeah, there's a fourth section -- are you not running from a recent trunk?
[15-Sep-2006 13:53:21] <oubiwann> b_52Centos: you mean these graphviz graphs we're talking about, not RRD graphs, right?
[15-Sep-2006 13:54:12] <b_52Centos> oubiwann: oh ok sorry did understand well
[15-Sep-2006 13:54:12] <b_52Centos> .......
[15-Sep-2006 13:55:24] <em-dash> oubiwann: when I installed, I tried the tarball and an svn co. Now I can't recall which one I actually installed (both are sitting in /home/zenoss). Bad sysadmin, bad!
[15-Sep-2006 13:55:39] <em-dash> know any way to check an installed copy?
[15-Sep-2006 13:55:57] <b_52Centos> and about the graphs of RRD by the way ? :d
[15-Sep-2006 13:56:00] <em-dash> also, at the worst, I'm running the 0.22.2 tarball
[15-Sep-2006 13:56:16] <em-dash> b_52Centos: what issues are you having w/ RRD graphing?
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:02] <em-dash> nothing shows up on the Perf tab for your device?
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:13] <b_52Centos> em-dash: the issue is i didn't understand wel how to add graphing for my routuer i aff the device set the parameter password... !
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:31] <b_52Centos> RRDDataSources
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:32] <b_52Centos> Name
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:32] <b_52Centos> OID
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:32] <b_52Centos> Type
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:32] <b_52Centos> sysUpTime 1.3.6.1.2.1.1.3.0 GAUGE
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:37] <b_52Centos> thats is perf conf
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:40] <b_52Centos> perf is empty
[15-Sep-2006 13:57:57] <em-dash> so you've just got the most basic RRD template, which doesn't actually graph anything
[15-Sep-2006 13:58:21] <em-dash> first of all, one thing that I didn't realize at first, is that you're probably already collecting perf info for the ethernet interfaces
[15-Sep-2006 13:58:41] <em-dash> go to OS tab, click ethernet interface name, check out pretty RRD graphs
[15-Sep-2006 14:01:08] <em-dash> also, I had some initial issues with zenperfsnmp not collecting device model info, so I had to kick start it with a `zenpersnmp run -v 10`, just to get the performance collection started
[15-Sep-2006 14:02:54] <b_52Centos> your talking os tab of the router or the localhost ?
[15-Sep-2006 14:02:58] <b_52Centos> i think localhost
[15-Sep-2006 14:02:59] <b_52Centos> :d
[15-Sep-2006 14:06:05] <em-dash> I mean the OS tab of whatever device you want to get interface performance data about. It sounds like you're interested in your router, so look at its OS tab
[15-Sep-2006 14:07:48] <b_52Centos> ok the eth0/eth1 interface give nothing but other interfaces give
[15-Sep-2006 14:07:50] <b_52Centos> br0
[15-Sep-2006 14:08:57] <em-dash> when you say 'nothing', do you mean they have graph images without data, or no graph images at all?
[15-Sep-2006 14:09:24] <b_52Centos> in the eth0/1 not graphg at all in the other tab image with no data
[15-Sep-2006 14:10:26] <em-dash> try that `zenperfsnmp run` if you haven't already --- I needed to 'force' zenperfsnmp to load the device model before it started collecting perf data
[15-Sep-2006 14:18:04] <b_52Centos> em-dash: http://rafb.net/paste/results/b8tNCD58.html it run but ! i skill the zenperfsnmp process before that
[15-Sep-2006 14:22:26] <em-dash> I believe that error is related to incorrect username/password in $ZENHOME/etc/zenperfsnmp.conf
[15-Sep-2006 14:22:57] <em-dash> maybe the admin password was changed after the initial installation?
[15-Sep-2006 14:30:11] <b_52Centos> hm
[15-Sep-2006 14:30:17] <b_52Centos> ok gone check it
[15-Sep-2006 14:31:26] <b_52Centos> no the pass are correect
[15-Sep-2006 14:34:41] <em-dash> check also zenprocess.conf (reading from http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/FAQ)
[15-Sep-2006 14:34:48] <adytum-bot> Title: FAQ - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[15-Sep-2006 14:35:22] <b_52Centos> ok
[15-Sep-2006 14:37:46] <em-dash> I was looking at the section 'Connection was refused by other side', but if that's not your problem, then I'm out of suggestions.... sorry
[15-Sep-2006 14:38:30] <b_52Centos> em-dash: no problem man ! thanks for helping me
[15-Sep-2006 14:38:44] <em-dash> b_52Centos: my pleasure... sorry I wasn't more help
[15-Sep-2006 14:39:18] <b_52Centos> i think i m gone wait some time for more docs
[15-Sep-2006 14:39:38] <b_52Centos> and play with zope
till that time [15-Sep-2006 14:43:59] <em-dash> I would do well to learn more about zope, too
[15-Sep-2006 14:45:13] <b_52Centos> http://www.amazon.de/Web-Component-Development-Zope-3/dp/3540223592
[15-Sep-2006 14:45:14] <b_52Centos> not bad ...
[15-Sep-2006 14:45:14] <b_52Centos> :d
[15-Sep-2006 14:46:23] <creiht> b_52Centos: Note that Zenoss is built on Zope 2.x and not Zope 3.x currently
[15-Sep-2006 14:46:41] <creiht> And the two version are VERY different
[15-Sep-2006 14:49:31] <b_52Centos> creiht: hm
[15-Sep-2006 14:49:52] <b_52Centos> still the zope book in zope.org
[15-Sep-2006 14:50:11] <b_52Centos> but just to say that the book is good written
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[15-Sep-2006 16:19:12] <oubiwann> I just posted this to the mail list, but you guys might be see it first here:
[15-Sep-2006 16:19:20] <oubiwann> http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=788
[15-Sep-2006 16:19:20] <adytum-bot> Title: » XML closing the community-code gap | Open Source | ZDNet.com (at blogs.zdnet.com)
[15-Sep-2006 16:19:20] <oubiwann> very, very cool ;-)
[15-Sep-2006 16:19:36] <oubiwann> we're getting press almost as we're committing stuff to subversion!
[15-Sep-2006 17:04:43] <em-dash> oubiwann: so is that zenoss.net stuff actually working in the latest trunk?
[15-Sep-2006 17:04:56] <oubiwann> yup
[15-Sep-2006 17:05:02] <oubiwann> well...
[15-Sep-2006 17:05:05] <em-dash> wow.... time to update
[15-Sep-2006 17:05:10] <oubiwann> it depends on what you mean
[15-Sep-2006 17:05:19] <oubiwann> the site Zenoss.net is not up and running yet
[15-Sep-2006 17:05:30] <em-dash> oh, ok... so the code is there, but the portal not yet
[15-Sep-2006 17:05:39] <oubiwann> but you can import and export Zenoss objects to and from the filesystem
[15-Sep-2006 17:05:40] <oubiwann> yeah
[15-Sep-2006 17:06:14] <oubiwann> I just got off the phone with Bill Karpovich, and we're looking at a transition solution while we build out Zenoss.net
[15-Sep-2006 17:06:35] <em-dash> I saw your e-mail inviting people to share XML configs... didn't realize it was actually a NOW thing
[15-Sep-2006 17:06:39] <em-dash> exciting
[15-Sep-2006 17:06:41] <oubiwann> essentially, a mail list where people could upload their templates
[15-Sep-2006 17:07:18] <oubiwann> I have added code that supports downloading templates from a url
[15-Sep-2006 17:07:30] <oubiwann> so all I'll have to do is update the UI to take advantage of that
[15-Sep-2006 17:07:50] <oubiwann> and you'll be able to paste a template link in the mail list into Zenoss and import it
[15-Sep-2006 17:07:55] <em-dash> w00t!
[15-Sep-2006 17:08:08] * em-dash scuttles off to do an `svn update`
[15-Sep-2006 17:08:33] <oubiwann> also, if you have ideas, wishlists, etc., here are the Zenoss.net tickets:
[15-Sep-2006 17:08:48] <oubiwann> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/query?component=Zenoss.net+Portal&order=priority
[15-Sep-2006 17:08:48] <adytum-bot> Title: Custom Query - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[15-Sep-2006 17:08:54] <oubiwann> feel free to email the list or chat with me here about those
[15-Sep-2006 17:11:36] <creiht> oubiwann: So is the site development moving to Plone then?
[15-Sep-2006 17:12:52] <oubiwann> we'll probably have zenoss.org/com as Zope for a while longer and then a separate zenoss.net, but the goal is to run them all from a central management location
[15-Sep-2006 17:13:09] <oubiwann> but yes, zenoss.net will most likely be plone
[15-Sep-2006 17:13:23] <oubiwann> biab (getting a late, late lunch)
[15-Sep-2006 17:17:41] <em-dash> creiht: have you worked with the FileSystem RRD Template (or done other fs RRD work)?
[15-Sep-2006 17:19:09] <creiht> em-dash: Only a little
[15-Sep-2006 17:19:26] <em-dash> did you apply the FileSystem RRD Template, or define your own?
[15-Sep-2006 17:20:03] <creiht> I made a couple of small modifications to the thresholds to the default filesystem RRD Template
[15-Sep-2006 17:20:12] <creiht> Like I said.. only a little
[15-Sep-2006 17:20:50] <em-dash> you were able to apply the template to a device and collect data?
[15-Sep-2006 17:21:06] <creiht> Well it did it automagically
[15-Sep-2006 17:21:24] <creiht> What devices are you trying to monitor?
[15-Sep-2006 17:21:36] <em-dash> some windows boxen
[15-Sep-2006 17:22:06] <creiht> Open up one of those boxes in Zenoss and click on the OS tab
[15-Sep-2006 17:22:32] <creiht> Toward the bottom where you se File Systems, click on one of the filestems
[15-Sep-2006 17:22:50] <creiht> Is that what you are looking for?
[15-Sep-2006 17:25:15] <em-dash> yeah... damnit! I should've looked there after you guided me through the OS/Interfaces
[15-Sep-2006 17:25:21] <creiht>
[15-Sep-2006 17:25:54] <em-dash> I assumed that the filesystem template needed to be attached to the device !!!
[15-Sep-2006 17:26:24] <em-dash> ok, so filesystems and interfaces get the RRD Template based on type, rather than the standard device hierarchy inheritance
[15-Sep-2006 17:27:21] <creiht> Well I think they are still part of the inheritance, the base one is just a little further down the tree
[15-Sep-2006 17:28:05] <creiht> For example the default FileSystem PerfConf is under /Devices/Server rather than /Devices
[15-Sep-2006 17:28:28] <creiht> Since you would not need to monitor the filesystem size of a switch or router
[15-Sep-2006 17:29:01] <em-dash> yeah, I've seen it there, I just assumed that it participated in the same one-template-per-device inheritance scheme
[15-Sep-2006 17:29:12] <creiht> ahh
[15-Sep-2006 17:29:20] <em-dash> and that I needed to apply it to the devices I want to monitor FS usage on
[15-Sep-2006 17:31:04] <em-dash> ok, so another question
--- I have an HPUX system that reports its info through HP-UNIX.MIB, and I don't see any filesystem info in the OS tab. do you have any idea how to tell the modeler to gather data from different OIDs?[15-Sep-2006 17:31:33] <creiht> em-dash: Hmmm.... That part I do not know
[15-Sep-2006 17:31:53] <em-dash> yeah, that's moving into a part of the system that I've got little to no idea about..... yet
[15-Sep-2006 17:32:21] <em-dash> well, thanks for pointing out my shortsightedness. again.
[15-Sep-2006 17:32:27] <creiht> heh
[15-Sep-2006 17:32:35] <creiht> Glad I could help
[15-Sep-2006 17:32:46] <creiht> I've had plenty of those moments myself
[15-Sep-2006 17:33:10] <em-dash> how are you working through these issues? asking here? mailing list? brute force?
[15-Sep-2006 17:33:35] <em-dash> (brute force == staring at the interface)
[15-Sep-2006 17:33:35] <creiht> Well I'm past all the major issues for my current usage
[15-Sep-2006 17:33:50] <em-dash> that helps
[15-Sep-2006 17:34:03] <creiht> Luckily when I was having difficulties, one of the Eric's was usually online
[15-Sep-2006 17:34:10] <creiht> And they would help out
[15-Sep-2006 17:34:20] <creiht> So I'm just trying to return the favor
[15-Sep-2006 17:35:12] <em-dash> that's awesome. and as someone receiving the favor, I both appreciate it, and hope I get the chance to pay that generosity forward to the next batch of users
[15-Sep-2006 17:39:19] <em-dash> of course, there's still a non-trivial learning curve to ascend, but I'm not sweatin' it
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[15-Sep-2006 19:32:00] <em-dash> oubiwann: you there?
[15-Sep-2006 19:32:07] <oubiwann> yup
[15-Sep-2006 19:32:35] <em-dash> quick question: it looks like you cannot deselect every data source from an RRD graph
[15-Sep-2006 19:32:52] <em-dash> eg., I want to replace the straight datasource with a calculated value
[15-Sep-2006 19:33:24] <oubiwann> ug, I really need to get a box on my test network with SNMP running... I don't have any RRD stuff to look at right now :-(
[15-Sep-2006 19:33:32] <em-dash> ok, no prob
[15-Sep-2006 19:33:36] <em-dash> I'll e-mail the list
[15-Sep-2006 19:33:43] <em-dash> just wanted instant gratification
[15-Sep-2006 19:33:50] <oubiwann> I've done lots of RRD work in the past, just not Zenoss RRD
[15-Sep-2006 19:33:56] <oubiwann> heh, yeah -- I can understand that :-)
[15-Sep-2006 19:34:15] <socialist> em-d: I suggest using net-snmp on hp-ux if you can
[15-Sep-2006 19:34:26] <em-dash> yeah, it was actually that PyRRD stuff that got me thinking more about customizing the RRD graphs
[15-Sep-2006 19:34:46] <em-dash> socialist: heh, was I asking about that in here?
[15-Sep-2006 19:35:05] <socialist> something about disks yes
[15-Sep-2006 19:35:28] <socialist> filesystem info not showing up...
[15-Sep-2006 19:35:37] <em-dash> yeah, that's right
thanks for the pointer[15-Sep-2006 19:35:46] <em-dash> do you have any experience with net-snmp on hp-ux?
[15-Sep-2006 19:35:50] <socialist> yes
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:02] <em-dash> are there binary packages, or is it a source + compile proposition?
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:05] <socialist> I built 5.3.0.1 on all my hpux and it's running happily
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:11] <socialist> there are binaries
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:11] <em-dash> ok
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:14] <em-dash> oh
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:20] <socialist> you can download an official depot from HP in fact
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:50] <socialist> the official one is 5.2.x, and I wanted 5.3 so I built it
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:51] <em-dash> oh, that'll calm my colleagues nerves a lot
[15-Sep-2006 19:36:59] <socialist> yeah the 5.2 works fine
[15-Sep-2006 19:37:21] <em-dash> what were the features you wanted from 5.3?
[15-Sep-2006 19:38:26] <socialist> StorageUseNFS
[15-Sep-2006 19:38:48] <em-dash> which flags a filesystem as an NFS mount?
[15-Sep-2006 19:38:51] <socialist> pre-5.3 weren't properly differentiating my nfs mounts
[15-Sep-2006 19:38:55] <em-dash> aha
[15-Sep-2006 19:39:40] <socialist> go here for official lovin from HP: http://h20338.www2.hp.com/hpux11i/cache/324414-0-0-0-121.html
[15-Sep-2006 19:39:40] <adytum-bot> Title: HP-UX 11i Internet Express (at h20338.www2.hp.com)
[15-Sep-2006 19:39:51] <socialist> they have about a zillion open source packages, including net-snmp
[15-Sep-2006 19:39:54] <em-dash> brilliant -- I was just googling for that
[15-Sep-2006 19:41:09] <em-dash> thanks socialist, much appreciated
[15-Sep-2006 19:41:56] <socialist> no problem
[15-Sep-2006 19:47:50] <socialist> anyone running current SVN?
[15-Sep-2006 19:48:51] * em-dash plans to update, but hasn't yet
[15-Sep-2006 19:54:02] <socialist> I'm evaluating several different monitoring systems, some of these are pretty interesting
[15-Sep-2006 19:54:09] <socialist> some aren't
[15-Sep-2006 19:54:57] <em-dash> I've been looking around a bit lately as well. What are you finding thus far (generally)?
[15-Sep-2006 19:55:22] <em-dash> if I may inquire, of course
[15-Sep-2006 20:05:32] <em-dash> what I have found leads me to believe that there are quite a few 'entry-level' monitoring packages (MRTG, Pandora, Cacti, Big Sister) and only a few that hit the medium-to-large sweet spot (Zenoss, Nagios, OpenNMS)
[15-Sep-2006 20:08:59] <socialist> yes
[15-Sep-2006 20:11:09] <em-dash> several of them have some management functionality built in, but management and monitoring still seem somewhat segregated
[15-Sep-2006 20:11:17] <socialist> at the risk of sounding negative, every system I've seen is missing something important
[15-Sep-2006 20:11:41] <em-dash> and of course, this is just regarding the well-known open source offerings
[15-Sep-2006 20:13:45] <em-dash> what would you say zenoss is missing, for instance?
[15-Sep-2006 20:15:42] <em-dash> also, are you coming from a background of experience with an existing management system?
[15-Sep-2006 20:16:20] <em-dash> as in, are your expectations guided by a certain platform?
[15-Sep-2006 20:19:22] <socialist> umm not really
[15-Sep-2006 20:19:28] <socialist> I've used nagios for a long time
[15-Sep-2006 20:19:46] <socialist> they should put nagios in the dictionary under "tedious"
[15-Sep-2006 20:20:45] <em-dash> I've never used it, but it looks like a whole lot of plugin configuration time
[15-Sep-2006 20:24:19] <socialist> any monitoring system is going to be tedious, it's almost unavoidable
[15-Sep-2006 20:24:30] <socialist> nagios is just particularly bad about it
[15-Sep-2006 20:25:56] <socialist> as for missing things, for example, zenoss doesn't support an unlimited number of organizational groups
[15-Sep-2006 20:26:27] <socialist> i.e., I can put a device under devices, systems and groups, but I can't define my own hierarchy
[15-Sep-2006 20:26:58] <socialist> probably not an issue for most people, may or may not be for me
[15-Sep-2006 20:28:51] <socialist> hyperic HQ is really nice, but it's java and it requires it's own agent (also java)
[15-Sep-2006 20:29:48] <socialist> zabbix requires it's own agent as well
[15-Sep-2006 20:32:15] <em-dash> I basically didn't even look at agent-based solutions.... my network is mainly windows, with some HP-UX and linux boxes, and agent-based solutions seem like a nightmare in the making in a heterogeneous environment
[15-Sep-2006 20:32:29] <socialist> if I chose based on technology, I'd use Zenoss, if I chose based on features, I'd probably use Hyperic, and if I didn't want an appserver I'd probably try out Zabbix
[15-Sep-2006 20:32:49] <socialist> em-dash: hyperic is java, so supposedly no issue
[15-Sep-2006 20:33:00] <socialist> excecpt no you have to run java everywhere
[15-Sep-2006 20:33:05] <socialist> s/no/now/
[15-Sep-2006 20:33:52] <socialist> I'm pretty firmly of the belief right now that everything wrong with Zenoss is just a matter of it not being done yet
[15-Sep-2006 20:35:15] <landonf> Well, there are some bugs, too
[15-Sep-2006 20:35:24] <landonf> And zope2 pretty much sucks.
[15-Sep-2006 20:35:32] <socialist> that was me being optimistic, hush
[15-Sep-2006 20:37:50] <em-dash> well, I've heard whispers that a Zope3 migration is in consideration
[15-Sep-2006 20:38:14] <em-dash> of course, based on my understanding of the 2.x => 3.x transition, that would be a huge undertaking
[15-Sep-2006 20:38:48] <socialist> depends on home much of the code is really tied into Zope
[15-Sep-2006 20:39:06] <socialist> I'd imagine it wouldn't be simple in any case
[15-Sep-2006 20:45:11] <em-dash> socialist: are you in a situation where you need to be able to delegate administrative access to subsets of the network?
[15-Sep-2006 20:45:40] <socialist> mmm not really
[15-Sep-2006 20:45:41] <socialist> yet
[15-Sep-2006 20:45:58] <em-dash> just curious about the potential need for unlimited grouping / hierarchical organization
[15-Sep-2006 20:46:48] <socialist> I don't necessarily have one, it's just something I noticed
[15-Sep-2006 20:48:37] <socialist> The shortcomings that relate to me are: lack of notification options, lack of flap detection, and numerous little things (like missing CPU information)
[15-Sep-2006 20:49:04] <em-dash> flap detection?
[15-Sep-2006 20:49:37] <socialist> services that go up and down a lot really quickly
[15-Sep-2006 20:49:51] <socialist> either in error, or because that's what they do
[15-Sep-2006 20:50:20] <socialist> for example, nagios will not send 3 alerts when a service goes up-down-up-down-up-down-up
[15-Sep-2006 20:50:25] <em-dash> interesting... not familiar with that term or services of that type (the error condition makes sense, though)
[15-Sep-2006 20:50:43] <socialist> we get a lot of that because of system load
[15-Sep-2006 20:51:12] <em-dash> well, you can set escalation counts, so that notification doesn't bubble up until X event occurrences
[15-Sep-2006 20:51:16] <em-dash> but that's not the same
[15-Sep-2006 20:51:20] <socialist> it's close yes
[15-Sep-2006 20:52:05] <em-dash> as far as notification options, you're talking about something more than e-mail/pager alerts
[15-Sep-2006 20:52:26] <socialist> no, I mean more options about how and when you get notified
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[15-Sep-2006 20:54:02] <em-dash> not playing dumb, but: could you elaborate?
[15-Sep-2006 20:54:26] <socialist> sure
[15-Sep-2006 20:56:38] <socialist> In some other systems, I can set hours to be notified about a service, the maximum number of times I'll be notified, different methods if the event is not acknowledged within a certain amount of time
[15-Sep-2006 20:57:35] <socialist> So, for example, I can be emailed during business hours if the printer stops responding for more than 5 minutes
[15-Sep-2006 20:57:50] <em-dash> ahhh, ok, I wasn't really thinking that through
[15-Sep-2006 20:58:02] <socialist> then my co-worker will be paged if I don't acknowledge the problem within 15 minutes
[15-Sep-2006 20:58:16] <socialist> but after 5pm, we wouldn't get paged at all
[15-Sep-2006 20:58:55] <em-dash> that's a good point
[15-Sep-2006 21:00:43] <em-dash> have you suggested / requested something of the sort on the Zenoss ML?
[15-Sep-2006 21:00:56] <socialist> nope
[15-Sep-2006 21:01:16] <socialist> I'm gethering data first
[15-Sep-2006 21:01:35] <em-dash> that's an important feature, if you don't object, I'll make the suggestion
[15-Sep-2006 21:01:58] <socialist> go for it
[15-Sep-2006 21:06:55] <em-dash> socialist: thanks for the honest discussion, I appreciate you taking the time to share some of your findings
[15-Sep-2006 21:07:15] <socialist> you're welcome
[15-Sep-2006 21:07:43] <socialist> It's difficult to present well on IRC, I should write a paper
[15-Sep-2006 21:07:58] <em-dash> I think it would be very well received
[15-Sep-2006 21:08:04] <socialist> it might
[15-Sep-2006 21:08:34] <em-dash> the space is exploding, and well-considered research would save many people a tremendous amount of time in the aggregate
[15-Sep-2006 21:08:52] <em-dash> the space == network monitoring and management (particularly opensource)
[15-Sep-2006 21:09:04] <socialist> unfortunately, that also requires time, of which I am in short supply since I'm demoing all these monitoring systems
[15-Sep-2006 21:09:49] <em-dash> you're working on some offerings in the commercial sphere, as well?
[15-Sep-2006 21:10:00] <socialist> no
[15-Sep-2006 21:10:08] <socialist> I'm familiar with a lot of those
[15-Sep-2006 21:10:26] <socialist> and I don't feel like giving them money
[15-Sep-2006 21:11:18] <em-dash> oh, it's not a time limit re: the monitoring systems, just that your time is already absorbed in the evaluation itself
[15-Sep-2006 21:11:29] <socialist> hehe yes
[15-Sep-2006 21:11:36] <socialist> that and 1000 other tasks
[15-Sep-2006 21:11:59] <em-dash> but we've all got those
[15-Sep-2006 21:12:05] <em-dash>
[15-Sep-2006 21:12:34] <em-dash> well, if you have the time and consider it worthwhile, you've got a guaranteed audience of at least one
[15-Sep-2006 21:12:55] <socialist> hah thank you
[15-Sep-2006 21:13:51] <em-dash> in the interim, it's high time for me to call it a week, and head home; where I'll do more of the same
[15-Sep-2006 21:13:55] <socialist> btw, openview, tivoli, BMC.. all work great and all are so grotesquely overpriced it makes me want to chew my hands off
[15-Sep-2006 21:14:06] <socialist> particularly openview
[15-Sep-2006 21:14:26] <em-dash> I've never had the opportunity to touch any of them, but the prices are utterly prohibitive for my purposes
[15-Sep-2006 21:14:38] <socialist> Maybe tivoli is cheaper, I've never actually bought that one...
[15-Sep-2006 21:15:17] <socialist> we spent around $250k for openview at a previous employer
[15-Sep-2006 21:15:39] <em-dash> well, they've all got to watch their backs, because these OSS alternatives are going to gradually erode the market for $250k platforms
[15-Sep-2006 21:15:48] <socialist> 'bout time
[15-Sep-2006 21:16:03] <em-dash> are you serious --- $250k?!?
[15-Sep-2006 21:16:09] <em-dash> USD, I assume
[15-Sep-2006 21:16:14] <socialist> yes and yes
[15-Sep-2006 21:16:39] <em-dash> ok, your choice of the word 'grotesque' now makes a lot of sense
[15-Sep-2006 21:17:46] <socialist> I was stunned when I saw the budget
[15-Sep-2006 21:18:15] <socialist> but the execs liked it, and they had money at the time, so it stayed
[15-Sep-2006 21:18:26] <em-dash> I've never been involved in a project of that budget. I can only imagine that they scope of the deployment must have been impressive
[15-Sep-2006 21:18:46] <socialist> medium-sized
[15-Sep-2006 21:19:13] <socialist> about 500 systems
[15-Sep-2006 21:19:49] <socialist> mostly medium to large sun servers, plus a bunch of AIX and network hardware
[15-Sep-2006 21:20:31] <socialist> but it was a financial company, they generally have more money than god, and just buy the "best" because they can
[15-Sep-2006 21:21:09] <em-dash> that's a peculiar mindset
[15-Sep-2006 21:21:19] <em-dash> 250k can get a lot of things done
[15-Sep-2006 21:21:29] <socialist> yep
[15-Sep-2006 21:21:58] <socialist> but with a $20 million datacenter, it doesn't seem like all that much
[15-Sep-2006 21:22:04] <em-dash> oh well. I think your nick is an interesting response in the face of that kind of spending habit
[15-Sep-2006 21:22:12] <socialist> hey, I didn't spend it
[15-Sep-2006 21:22:17] <socialist> that was already there
[15-Sep-2006 21:22:43] <em-dash> I understand, just making a joke (stretching)
[15-Sep-2006 21:22:50] <socialist> heheh
[15-Sep-2006 21:23:25] <socialist> ./nick free-market-socialist-stop-yelling-at-me
[15-Sep-2006 21:23:43] <em-dash> hahaha
[15-Sep-2006 21:24:27] <em-dash> well hey, thanks again. nice getting your input. and I'm serious about the write-up
[15-Sep-2006 21:25:19] <socialist> I'll try to get it on the wiki if I write something
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[18-Sep-2006 12:04:59] <mr_c> hi
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[19-Sep-2006 00:57:08] <orlock> But.. does it make funky maps like nagios, eh?
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[19-Sep-2006 12:25:57] <neverone99> Has anyone seen this error in the zenbuild.log: unable to install MySQL event tables
[19-Sep-2006 12:26:19] <neverone99> ERROR 1074 (42000) at line 4: Column length too big for column 'message' (max = 255); use BLOB or TEXT instead
[19-Sep-2006 12:26:19] <neverone99> ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 2: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'PROCEDURE IF EXISTS close_events' at line 1
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[19-Sep-2006 17:30:10] <b_52GM> foxmjay, what the line to authetify
[19-Sep-2006 17:30:13] <b_52GM> ?
[19-Sep-2006 17:30:14] <b_52GM>
[19-Sep-2006 17:30:24] <foxmjay> hmm
[19-Sep-2006 17:30:36] <foxmjay> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
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[21-Sep-2006 17:13:54] <socialist> anyone have idea on the timeframe to fully supporting RRD graphing options?
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[22-Sep-2006 08:35:10] <skopii> ping?
[22-Sep-2006 08:51:52] <Fonderia1igitale> pong
[22-Sep-2006 08:52:00] <skopii> I am wondering about monitoring load
[22-Sep-2006 08:52:16] <skopii> the thresholds are a bit confusing
[22-Sep-2006 08:53:14] <skopii> I want to configure a threshold for server load, so I would receive an alert when the load exceeds the threshold
[22-Sep-2006 08:53:17] <skopii> any advice?
[22-Sep-2006 08:54:31] <skopii> I tried to set it up once, but it went insane with alerts
[22-Sep-2006 08:57:00] <skopii> I think I am confused because of the RPN field in the laLoadInt5 data source
[22-Sep-2006 08:57:23] <skopii> so what is the deal..
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[22-Sep-2006 10:14:11] <rputzler> I have been using zenoss for a while and it is great, however I can't for the life of me get alerts to page or email me. Has anyone seen a set of detailed steps that I can verify I've done everything correctly against?
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[22-Sep-2006 13:44:25] <rputzler> I have been using zenoss for a while and it is great, however I can't for the life of me get alerts to page or email me. Has anyone seen a set of detailed steps that I can verify I've done everything correctly against?
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[22-Sep-2006 22:20:00] <Deciph> In zenperfsnmp.log I'm seeing, "WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Devices status is not clearing. Restarting." I see a bunch of those, then the graphing stops working.... any ideas why that might be happening?
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[25-Sep-2006 16:14:39] <jts1> hi... anybody home?
[25-Sep-2006 16:15:46] <jts1> lol... guess not.
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[25-Sep-2006 16:32:53] <korozion> patience
[25-Sep-2006 16:33:08] <korozion> he must be lacking zen
[25-Sep-2006 16:39:01] <annoyed> umm... me too
[25-Sep-2006 16:39:22] <annoyed> been trying to install for 2 days
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[25-Sep-2006 16:45:22] <korozion> what's the issue?
[25-Sep-2006 16:46:58] <annoyed> well it started out with all kinds of erros connecting to mysql
[25-Sep-2006 16:47:09] <annoyed> no I have built a clean box
[25-Sep-2006 16:48:18] <annoyed> and the install script needs every kind of decompression library known to man but doens't log half of it
[25-Sep-2006 16:49:48] <annoyed> for hours i was trying to install and it would die at building Zope then after it died the install log has nothing but a date stamp
[25-Sep-2006 16:51:16] <annoyed> ...it worked after I installed the debian build-essential package
[25-Sep-2006 16:51:32] <korozion> yeah, having a compiler always helps
[25-Sep-2006 16:51:40] <korozion> Debian doesn't install one by default
[25-Sep-2006 16:51:47] <korozion> being that it's package based and all
[25-Sep-2006 16:52:05] <annoyed> no it wasn't the compiler
[25-Sep-2006 16:52:16] <annoyed> i had all that installed
[25-Sep-2006 16:52:24] <korozion> weird
[25-Sep-2006 16:52:32] <korozion> So, what is the current problem?
[25-Sep-2006 16:52:35] <annoyed> make, g++ gcc all installed already
[25-Sep-2006 16:53:28] <annoyed> zlib, bzip2..... a new one every time I run ./install
[25-Sep-2006 16:53:40] <annoyed> all easily fixed
[25-Sep-2006 16:53:59] <annoyed> just with there was an actuall requirements list
[25-Sep-2006 16:54:09] <korozion> You could help the project by making one
[25-Sep-2006 16:54:20] <annoyed> I might just do that
[25-Sep-2006 16:54:40] <korozion> that'd be cool
[25-Sep-2006 16:54:54] <korozion> I'm sure the devs sure would like it, and the rest of us users too
[25-Sep-2006 16:56:21] <annoyed> funny thing is I am not sure what package build-essential installed that resolved the issue
[25-Sep-2006 16:57:21] <korozion> I'd guess gcc
[25-Sep-2006 16:57:30] <annoyed> the only error i got from the installer was "unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log"
[25-Sep-2006 16:57:44] <annoyed> had it
[25-Sep-2006 16:58:02] <annoyed> install.sh error checks for that
[25-Sep-2006 16:58:08] <korozion> make?
[25-Sep-2006 16:58:09] <korozion> I dunno
[25-Sep-2006 16:58:14] <annoyed> g++ too
[25-Sep-2006 16:58:34] <annoyed> maybe a secific version
[25-Sep-2006 16:58:44] <annoyed> but that's pretty picky
[25-Sep-2006 16:59:10] <annoyed> actualll, no
[25-Sep-2006 16:59:51] <annoyed> because i could configure/make Zope from the build dir that the installer produced manually
[25-Sep-2006 17:00:22] <annoyed> weird
[25-Sep-2006 17:00:27] <korozion> indeed weird :S
[25-Sep-2006 17:00:54] <annoyed> after i built manually the install errored on the next task
[25-Sep-2006 17:01:07] <annoyed> just after zope
[25-Sep-2006 17:02:30] <korozion> :S
[25-Sep-2006 17:03:18] <annoyed> know which Zlib it needs?
[25-Sep-2006 17:03:20] <korozion> It'd be nice to rip apart the install script, and rewrite one for Debian etc
[25-Sep-2006 17:03:57] <annoyed> it'd be nice to have a .deb
[25-Sep-2006 17:04:33] <annoyed> just imagine apt-get install zenoss
[25-Sep-2006 17:04:41] <annoyed> done
[25-Sep-2006 17:04:52] <korozion> yeah, you'd just have to tell it the deps
[25-Sep-2006 17:05:06] <korozion> I was starting on it, but became too busy
[25-Sep-2006 17:06:48] <korozion> I also wonder if it's possible to use an existing zope install, rather than install another one
[25-Sep-2006 17:08:25] <annoyed> it probably is but the installer is not built for it
[25-Sep-2006 17:08:37] <annoyed> it fails if you don't run a make clean
[25-Sep-2006 17:09:44] <korozion> indeed
[25-Sep-2006 17:11:54] <annoyed> are you running on Deb?
[25-Sep-2006 17:12:14] <korozion> yes
[25-Sep-2006 17:12:24] <annoyed> any issues?
[25-Sep-2006 17:12:33] <annoyed> after install that is
[25-Sep-2006 17:12:43] <korozion> dunno, zenoss is on my ubuntu desktop machine right now
[25-Sep-2006 17:12:52] <korozion> I was going to get used to zenoss, then write the debian install process
[25-Sep-2006 17:13:15] <annoyed> i couldn't get it running on ubuntu
[25-Sep-2006 17:13:26] <korozion> went pretty fast on my ubuntu box
[25-Sep-2006 17:13:42] <annoyed> it was a test box for me so it was very dirty
[25-Sep-2006 17:14:09] <annoyed> the installer ran but there were sql errors with the event tables
[25-Sep-2006 17:15:08] <annoyed> lots of posts about them on the mailing list but no answers
[25-Sep-2006 17:15:38] <korozion> yeah, it's hard when the user community isn't so big yet
[25-Sep-2006 17:16:40] <annoyed> yeah, the entire list is under 1 mb
[25-Sep-2006 17:16:57] <korozion> ouchie
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[25-Sep-2006 17:20:37] <jakehow> can zenoss monitor cisco switches and routers as well?
[25-Sep-2006 17:20:57] <annoyed> yeah
[25-Sep-2006 17:21:02] <annoyed> snmp
[25-Sep-2006 17:21:15] <annoyed> or nagios checks
[25-Sep-2006 17:21:42] <annoyed> I'll be able to answer that better once installed
[25-Sep-2006 17:24:39] <annoyed> im sure it can though
[25-Sep-2006 17:26:51] <annoyed> well gotta run...
[25-Sep-2006 17:27:01] <annoyed> thanks for yor help
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[26-Sep-2006 13:08:30] <gdavis> ls
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[26-Sep-2006 14:21:28] <elddik> hello, anyone around?
[26-Sep-2006 14:25:55] <elddik> i'm having a couple of problems with my ubuntu LAMP + zenoss install. when i add a device (windows box running snmp and wmi-snmp services) i get the following stack trace: http://cl1p.net/zenoss
[26-Sep-2006 14:25:55] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss trace (at cl1p.net)
[26-Sep-2006 14:27:31] <elddik> this is prb not the right place to ask this other question ... but i ssh to the ubuntu box, and my ssh session dies suddenly and i lose all network to the ubuntu box.
[26-Sep-2006 14:28:02] <elddik> can't even access webservices from the ssh client box, but other machines on t he network can see it.... if anyone seen this behavoir ... plz chime in
[26-Sep-2006 14:31:43] * elddik contemplates his pain as he calculates how many hours away his server is
[26-Sep-2006 14:33:22] <gdavis> sorry i can't even get the install script to run on a clean box...
[26-Sep-2006 14:38:23] <elddik> gdavis, what's the os on your clean box?
[26-Sep-2006 14:59:54] <gdavis> debian sarge
[26-Sep-2006 15:00:11] <gdavis> zenbuild keeps failing
[26-Sep-2006 15:02:20] <gdavis> third time i've started from scratch
[26-Sep-2006 15:02:29] <gdavis> it shouldn't be this delacate
[26-Sep-2006 15:06:55] <elddik> try ubuntu
[26-Sep-2006 15:07:42] <gdavis> that was my first try
[26-Sep-2006 15:08:06] <elddik> There's even a nice tutorial: http://www.howtoforge.com/zenoss_network_monitor_ubuntu
[26-Sep-2006 15:08:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Installing Zenoss network monitor on a Ubuntu Server | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials (at www.howtoforge.com)
[26-Sep-2006 15:08:54] <elddik> my problem is with the sshd config. sadly, i'm not infront of the machine to vent my frustration.
[26-Sep-2006 15:09:13] <elddik> and ssh keeps dying on me and taking away the connection to the box
[26-Sep-2006 15:09:17] * elddik screams
[26-Sep-2006 15:10:15] <gdavis> I've read that and most of it applies to deb as well. also it shouldn't only run under ubuntu, it's all source.
[26-Sep-2006 15:11:01] <gdavis> set a cron job to make sure its running every few minutes until you figure it out.
[26-Sep-2006 15:11:26] <gdavis> at least then you can work on it
[26-Sep-2006 15:15:09] <elddik> i know, i just like that the mysql stuff is done for me
[26-Sep-2006 15:15:46] <elddik> u wouldn't happen to know any ssh magic?
[26-Sep-2006 15:17:09] <gdavis> sshd dies or you just get disconned?
[26-Sep-2006 15:29:58] <elddik> yea
[26-Sep-2006 15:30:53] <elddik> i get disconnected and then i lose all network services between my local box and the server
[26-Sep-2006 15:31:06] <elddik> other machines on the same network can access network services
[26-Sep-2006 15:31:23] <gdavis> are you local to the box?
[26-Sep-2006 15:33:47] <elddik> not sure what u mean
[26-Sep-2006 15:35:11] <elddik> i'm home, the box is at work. i connect by rdc-ing (eek!) in to a windows box on the same network and use putty to ssh
[26-Sep-2006 15:36:23] <gdavis> do you stay connected to the rdp session?
[26-Sep-2006 15:37:34] <elddik> yes
[26-Sep-2006 15:39:00] <elddik> its just weird that it takes the network between my client and the unix server
[26-Sep-2006 15:39:45] <elddik> i've never encountered this in the freebsd world
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[26-Sep-2006 16:13:34] <elddik> hope dies
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[27-Sep-2006 14:50:51] <kiddle> *knock* *knock*
[27-Sep-2006 14:53:46] <kiddle> Anyone around used ubuntu as a zenoss server?
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[27-Sep-2006 15:13:16] <creiht> kiddle: I did for my original testing
[27-Sep-2006 15:13:29] <creiht> And it worked very well
[27-Sep-2006 15:13:59] <creiht> All of our production servers run Redhat, so my current production setup is running on that
[27-Sep-2006 15:15:14] <creiht> kiddle: Someone also wrote a howto not to long ago:
[27-Sep-2006 15:15:29] <creiht> http://www.howtoforge.com/zenoss_network_monitor_ubuntu
[27-Sep-2006 15:15:29] <adytum-bot> Title: Installing Zenoss network monitor on a Ubuntu Server | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials (at www.howtoforge.com)
[27-Sep-2006 15:49:55] <kiddle> creiht: I followed the tutorial and have problems
[27-Sep-2006 15:56:38] <creiht> kiddle: I have to go to a meeting, I'll try to help when I get back
[27-Sep-2006 15:56:39] <kiddle> i use ssh to connect to the server and when the session dies, I can't reach the network
[27-Sep-2006 15:57:05] <kiddle> it takes out the server as well (connection refused if any other machine tries to make that connection)
[27-Sep-2006 15:57:21] <kiddle> however, if i ssh in w/ putty, the service is available again
[27-Sep-2006 15:57:36] <kiddle> creiht: ty
[27-Sep-2006 16:41:28] <creiht> kiddle: Hmmm well that is beyond my understanding of the systems
[27-Sep-2006 16:41:43] <creiht> I would suggestion posting to the mailing list
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[27-Sep-2006 16:59:17] <kiddle> ahh. well.
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[28-Sep-2006 16:12:52] <rputzler> For a given user, can I have some alerts go to one e-mail address and others go to another?
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[28-Sep-2006 18:06:46] <difeta> I am getting a ping timeout when trying to snmpwalk my snmp controller. ANy ideas on where I can begin to troubleshoot?
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[29-Sep-2006 15:52:16] <zoehead> Hello, does anyone have knowledge on customizing the zenoss pages?
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[30-Sep-2006 16:54:52] <bin2hex> anyone here running Zenoss from the VMAppliance ?
[30-Sep-2006 16:55:39] <bin2hex> I started using it 2 days ago and I love it but the SNMP service seems to give up every few hours
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[30-Sep-2006 17:10:47] <bin2hex> HI, anyone here having probs with the SNMP services stopping every few hours - Im using the VM Applicance
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[30-Sep-2006 18:19:42] <quux> Howdy there. Nice looking product
[30-Sep-2006 18:20:07] <bin2hex> Hi, its very quiet in here
[30-Sep-2006 18:20:13] <bin2hex> my first visit too
[30-Sep-2006 18:20:23] <bin2hex> no-one talking
[30-Sep-2006 18:20:26] <bin2hex>
[30-Sep-2006 18:20:53] <quux> Just guessing, I bet they're more active during workaday hours
[30-Sep-2006 18:21:05] <bin2hex> more than likely
[30-Sep-2006 18:21:11] <quux> Are you running the vmware image?
[30-Sep-2006 18:21:16] <bin2hex> yes
[30-Sep-2006 18:21:28] <bin2hex> do you have any issue with snmp stopping all the time?
[30-Sep-2006 18:21:44] <quux> Not yet, but it's only been going for an hour
[30-Sep-2006 18:22:01] <quux> I did notice that it's not getting snmp info from *itself* ...
[30-Sep-2006 18:22:11] <bin2hex> mine works great for an hour or so then the SNMP stuff seems to stop
[30-Sep-2006 18:22:14] <quux> and there's no 'man' !
[30-Sep-2006 18:22:38] <bin2hex> there is a pdf guide
[30-Sep-2006 18:22:43] <bin2hex> and a wiki
[30-Sep-2006 18:23:02] <quux> yeah. At the moment I'm just wondering how to check if net-snmp is running locally
[30-Sep-2006 18:23:15] <bin2hex> thats why Im here - kinda
[30-Sep-2006 18:24:38] <bin2hex> I *think* there is a deamon called zenperfsnmp
[30-Sep-2006 18:24:44] <bin2hex> and it might be that
[30-Sep-2006 18:25:09] <quux> run bin/zenoss status
[30-Sep-2006 18:25:22] <quux> mine shows: Daemon: zenperfsnmp program running; pid=1692
[30-Sep-2006 18:25:30] <bin2hex> will do next time it stops
[30-Sep-2006 18:26:00] <bin2hex> so it looks like yours is working - have you added servers in yet ?
[30-Sep-2006 18:26:07] <quux> a couple
[30-Sep-2006 18:26:16] <quux> via autodiscover
[30-Sep-2006 18:26:17] <bin2hex> I have 8
[30-Sep-2006 18:26:51] <bin2hex> for a while it knows the size and utilisation on all the disks then it stops knowing
[30-Sep-2006 18:26:55] <bin2hex> when SNMP fails
[30-Sep-2006 18:27:04] <bin2hex> it also stops graphing my switchs
[30-Sep-2006 18:27:17] <bin2hex> its a real shame and it looks like a brilliant tool
[30-Sep-2006 18:27:29] <quux> well, it's version 0.23
[30-Sep-2006 18:27:45] <bin2hex> did you run auto discover via command line?
[30-Sep-2006 18:27:48] <quux> I suspect dev will move pretty fast, given what looks to be an ad blitz
[30-Sep-2006 18:27:51] <quux> yes
[30-Sep-2006 18:28:07] <quux> that's something they (imo) need to get into the web interface quickly
[30-Sep-2006 18:28:08] <bin2hex> ah so the player is running 0.23 then?
[30-Sep-2006 18:28:14] <bin2hex> I was wondering
[30-Sep-2006 18:28:28] <bin2hex> I was about to do a full install from scratch
[30-Sep-2006 18:28:47] <bin2hex> yes I agree
[30-Sep-2006 18:29:02] <bin2hex> looks like they have some major funding
[30-Sep-2006 18:29:07] <quux> I'm actually not sure. I went byt that (0.22 actually, my bad) being the latest release on the wiki
[30-Sep-2006 18:29:31] <bin2hex> hmmm, not sure how you tell
[30-Sep-2006 18:29:50] <quux> ahh. it's also in the name of the .vmx file
[30-Sep-2006 18:30:01] <bin2hex> LOL - didnt notice that
[30-Sep-2006 18:30:27] <bin2hex> install from scratch is a littel challenging :-/
[30-Sep-2006 18:30:35] <quux> gotta run, wife has rung the food bell. I need to be a good pavlovian husband ..
[30-Sep-2006 18:30:41] <bin2hex> cool
[30-Sep-2006 18:30:43] <bin2hex> see ay
[30-Sep-2006 18:30:46] <bin2hex> good luck
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