[2009-04-02 10::01:25] raw__: sergeymasushko: connect to do what?
[2009-04-02 10::01:55] sergeymasushko: to work with tables there...
[2009-04-02 10::02:16] raw__: I don't think you really understand how the Zope database works hehe
[2009-04-02 10::02:37] sergeymasushko: is zope db is mysql db?
[2009-04-02 10::02:40] raw__: if you want to take a look at the contents via a web interface just go to any Zenoss UI page and put /manage at the end of the url
[2009-04-02 10::03:01] ** mrchippy joined the chat room.
[2009-04-02 10::03:02] raw__: the only things stored in mysql in zenoss are events
[2009-04-02 10::03:09] sergeymasushko: ok
[2009-04-02 10::03:39] mrayzenoss: Morning all, mrchippy and I will be answering any questions this morning
[2009-04-02 10::03:43] raw__: what is your end goal in accessing zope?
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[2009-04-02 10::03:53] raw__: good morning Matt
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[2009-04-02 10::04:51] sergeymasushko: raw__: I have a template that contain about 180 datasources... I need to edit all of them... how can I do it by shell ... to avoid manually edit each of them?
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[2009-04-02 10::05:52] mrchippy: sergey: zendmd is your friend
[2009-04-02 10::05:54] raw__: sergeymasushko: you'd probably have to use zendmd to do that, no idea how you'd do it though
[2009-04-02 10::06:01] sergeymasushko: mrayzenoss, mrchippy: morning...
[2009-04-02 10::06:13] mrchippy: what do you want to edit on them?
[2009-04-02 10::08:42] sergeymasushko: I have a template in the template I have data sources of http_monitor zenpack. I need to change timeout in each data source...
[2009-04-02 10::08:54] mrchippy: sergeymasushko: in a shell as your zenoss user, run zendmd
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[2009-04-02 10::10:12] sergeymasushko: mrchippy: will it take some time to run?
[2009-04-02 10::10:18] mrchippy: sergeymasushko: at the prompt, find the template with something like:
[2009-04-02 10::17:14] sergeymasushko: mrchippy: thanks... will try it.
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[2009-04-02 10::26:04] mrayzenoss: Anyone playing with the beta?
[2009-04-02 10::28:05] raw__: I've messed around with it a bit but haven't done much with it
[2009-04-02 10::30:32] ** kingj is now known as KingJ.
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[2009-04-02 10::37:40] mrayzenoss: There's the new SSH Linux Monitoring, the setup wizard, the job manager and some tweaks to report writing if you're into that
[2009-04-02 10::46:07] raw__: cascading event transforms will be nice
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[2009-04-02 10::47:17] raw__: the ssh linux monitoring will be nice to have too
[2009-04-02 10::47:24] ** raw__ is now known as rmatte.
[2009-04-02 10::47:49] mrayzenoss: Could you add your thoughts on reporting in the "What do you want in King Crab?" thread
[2009-04-02 10::48:42] rmatte: ok, some of the other guys on my development teams were the ones saying that it didn't currently meet their needs, I'll have them pass me feedback and post it in to the thread
[2009-04-02 10::49:20] ** KingJ is now known as kingj.
[2009-04-02 10::50:54] rmatte: one thing I'd love to see in king crab would be more advanced auto-identification of interfaces as well as more flexibility for applying templates to them. Example: I'd like to be able to completely remove the stock interface template from a particular interface and then bind another template stored at a higher level to it. Right now I'm having to constantly create local copies of templates then modify them for certain interface types.
[2009-04-02 10::53:10] mrayzenoss: that's a good post for the thread
[2009-04-02 10::53:12] mrchippy: rmatte: i second that one. that's a problem with the relationship between templates and components in general. i'll bring that up brandon specificaly.
[2009-04-02 10::53:25] ** kingj is now known as KingJ.
[2009-04-02 10::53:35] rmatte: either that, or even better, when a "debug" event comes in, perhaps add an option where you can have zenoss automatically ignore those OIDs for that interface from now on and remove those datapoints and graph from the interface
[2009-04-02 10::53:37] mrayzenoss: our Product Manager is watching the thread, so definitely post your grievances
[2009-04-02 10::54:07] rmatte: will do, I'll make a list and post it all tomorrow
[2009-04-02 10::54:16] mrayzenoss: cool
[2009-04-02 10::54:24] rmatte: other than a few things though, Zenoss is really shaping up in to a nice product
[2009-04-02 10::54:51] mrayzenoss: I credit mrchippy
[2009-04-02 10::55:15] mrchippy: oh mray, i'm blushing
[2009-04-02 10::55:27] rmatte: hehe
[2009-04-02 10::57:10] mrayzenoss: if it's public I'll link it
[2009-04-02 10::57:20] rmatte: yeh, it'll be public
[2009-04-02 10::59:59] mrayzenoss: funny you should ask
[2009-04-02 11::00:58] rmatte: nice
[2009-04-02 11::01:13] mrayzenoss: still fixes going in
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[2009-04-02 11::05:33] rocket: mrayzenoss: quick question for ya .. where would I find the info about using data I created in a collector plugin for a template?
[2009-04-02 11::06:51] mrayzenoss: I'm not sure what you're asking
[2009-04-02 11::07:00] rmatte: Oh, I also had another suggestion to increase Zenoss' monitoring capabilities. When doing auto-discovery tons of devices come up that don't have SNMP installed on them, best guess is generally that these are workstations but I thought of another type of query that could be used in the discovery/modeling process...
[2009-04-02 11::07:27] rocket: basically for my generic printer zenpack I am creating I have grabbed the snmp data for consumables
[2009-04-02 11::08:32] mrayzenoss: Are you asking how to add an SNMP datasource to a device template?
[2009-04-02 11::08:50] rocket: yeah but I need additional filtering on the table
[2009-04-02 11::10:27] mrayzenoss: rmatte: that's like a feature that didn't make the cut for Blue Crab. auto-classification of /Discovered devices based on snmp, wmi and ssh
[2009-04-02 11::10:50] mrchippy: rocket: i think what you want is to create the datasource and set RRDMin to 0. That will cause RRD to register the points as 'unknown', and they won't get graphed.
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[2009-04-02 11::14:27] mrayzenoss: but it will still create empty graphs
[2009-04-02 11::16:13] rmatte: xprobe2 yeh, but what if some of the interfaces don't support snmp, wmi, and ssh?
[2009-04-02 11::18:04] rocket: mrayzenoss: my issue is I have these 8 items .. cyan black magenta yellow stapler finisher formfeeder duplexer
[2009-04-02 11::19:45] mrayzenoss: trac-zenpacks/browser/zenpacks/ZenPacks.community.HPSIMMonitor/ZenPacks/community/HPSIMMonitor/modeler/plugins/community/snmp/HPDeviceTemplateMap.py
[2009-04-02 11::21:21] rocket: mrayzenoss: the problem is its a value of a column
[2009-04-02 11::21:34] dmyers: i'm trying to find it in the documentation but i just get pointed back to user group management, i want to take 8 devices and put them all into one "group" i just don't know the zenoss name for it.. top level organizer?
[2009-04-02 11::21:38] ** dmyers is now known as davidX.
[2009-04-02 11::21:41] rocket: unless I am misunderstanding it ..
[2009-04-02 11::23:12] mrayzenoss: davidX: you can add a new "System" or new "Group"
[2009-04-02 11::23:30] ** mrchippy left the chat room.
[2009-04-02 11::24:45] mrayzenoss: rmatte: yeah, we may add more fingerprinting to the discovery code, or perhaps wmi/snmp/ssh will be sufficient. It'll be in King Crab most likely
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[2009-04-02 11::25:37] mrayzenoss: rocket: I gotta go, I'll be back this afternoon and we can discuss it some more
[2009-04-02 11::25:42] rocket: ok
[2009-04-02 11::25:54] konsa79[ita]: Hi mray
[2009-04-02 11::26:01] mrayzenoss: thanks to everyone who showed up, I'll have the transcript up this afternoon
[2009-04-02 11::26:29] rmatte: another huge thing for King Crab to have would be device relations, basically being able to say, this device is related to this device, if this device goes down, don't notify on this other device, or all of these switches are related to this router, if the router goes down, don't notify on the switches.
[2009-04-02 11::26:37] ** You changed the topic to "Zenoss 2.4 Beta 2 is Available for Testing".
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[2009-04-02 11::27:11] mrayzenoss: rmatte: yeah
[2009-04-02 11::27:21] rmatte: ok
[2009-04-02 11::27:29] rmatte: cya around
[2009-04-02 11::28:18] konsa79[ita]: a question: it's possible to tell to alarm rules to don't send mail if main internet connection is down ? (i monitor all device from remove and sometime's i've internet connection failure so i don't want to full my outgoing smtp queue with false alarms)
[2009-04-02 11::46:09] ** jsm joined the chat room.
[2009-04-02 11::49:48] jsm: mrayzenoss: i've gotten a little further on my quest to add a http datasource via the api, thanks for your previous help. My latest reply to http://forums.zenoss.com/viewtopic.php?t=9242 still leaves me stumped at actually modifying the datasource values once they are added. any help would be appreciated
[2009-04-02 11::50:14] adytum-bot: Title: Forums :: View topic - using manage_addRRDDataSource via xmlrpc (at forums.zenoss.com)
[2009-04-02 11::51:10] rmatte: konsa79[ita]: not even sure if that's possible at the moment
[2009-04-02 11::52:41] davidX: mrayzenoss: how do i add the specific device to the group i just made?
[2009-04-02 11::53:27] rmatte: davidX: go to the devices list, put a checkmark next to the device, go in to the dropdown and select Set Groups
[2009-04-02 11::53:48] davidX: duhhh
[2009-04-02 11::53:52] rmatte: np
[2009-04-02 10::01:55] sergeymasushko: to work with tables there...
[2009-04-02 10::02:16] raw__: I don't think you really understand how the Zope database works hehe
[2009-04-02 10::02:37] sergeymasushko: is zope db is mysql db?
[2009-04-02 10::02:40] raw__: if you want to take a look at the contents via a web interface just go to any Zenoss UI page and put /manage at the end of the url
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[2009-04-02 10::03:02] raw__: the only things stored in mysql in zenoss are events
[2009-04-02 10::03:09] sergeymasushko: ok
[2009-04-02 10::03:39] mrayzenoss: Morning all, mrchippy and I will be answering any questions this morning
[2009-04-02 10::03:43] raw__: what is your end goal in accessing zope?
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[2009-04-02 10::03:53] raw__: good morning Matt
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[2009-04-02 10::04:51] sergeymasushko: raw__: I have a template that contain about 180 datasources... I need to edit all of them... how can I do it by shell ... to avoid manually edit each of them?
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[2009-04-02 10::05:52] mrchippy: sergey: zendmd is your friend
[2009-04-02 10::05:54] raw__: sergeymasushko: you'd probably have to use zendmd to do that, no idea how you'd do it though
[2009-04-02 10::06:01] sergeymasushko: mrayzenoss, mrchippy: morning...
[2009-04-02 10::06:13] mrchippy: what do you want to edit on them?
[2009-04-02 10::08:42] sergeymasushko: I have a template in the template I have data sources of http_monitor zenpack. I need to change timeout in each data source...
[2009-04-02 10::08:54] mrchippy: sergeymasushko: in a shell as your zenoss user, run zendmd
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[2009-04-02 10::10:12] sergeymasushko: mrchippy: will it take some time to run?
[2009-04-02 10::10:18] mrchippy: sergeymasushko: at the prompt, find the template with something like:
[2009-04-02 10::17:14] sergeymasushko: mrchippy: thanks... will try it.
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[2009-04-02 10::26:04] mrayzenoss: Anyone playing with the beta?
[2009-04-02 10::28:05] raw__: I've messed around with it a bit but haven't done much with it
[2009-04-02 10::30:32] ** kingj is now known as KingJ.
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[2009-04-02 10::37:40] mrayzenoss: There's the new SSH Linux Monitoring, the setup wizard, the job manager and some tweaks to report writing if you're into that
[2009-04-02 10::46:07] raw__: cascading event transforms will be nice
[2009-04-02 10::46:45] ** sergeymasushko left the chat room.
[2009-04-02 10::47:17] raw__: the ssh linux monitoring will be nice to have too
[2009-04-02 10::47:24] ** raw__ is now known as rmatte.
[2009-04-02 10::47:49] mrayzenoss: Could you add your thoughts on reporting in the "What do you want in King Crab?" thread
[2009-04-02 10::48:42] rmatte: ok, some of the other guys on my development teams were the ones saying that it didn't currently meet their needs, I'll have them pass me feedback and post it in to the thread
[2009-04-02 10::49:20] ** KingJ is now known as kingj.
[2009-04-02 10::50:54] rmatte: one thing I'd love to see in king crab would be more advanced auto-identification of interfaces as well as more flexibility for applying templates to them. Example: I'd like to be able to completely remove the stock interface template from a particular interface and then bind another template stored at a higher level to it. Right now I'm having to constantly create local copies of templates then modify them for certain interface types.
[2009-04-02 10::53:10] mrayzenoss: that's a good post for the thread
[2009-04-02 10::53:12] mrchippy: rmatte: i second that one. that's a problem with the relationship between templates and components in general. i'll bring that up brandon specificaly.
[2009-04-02 10::53:25] ** kingj is now known as KingJ.
[2009-04-02 10::53:35] rmatte: either that, or even better, when a "debug" event comes in, perhaps add an option where you can have zenoss automatically ignore those OIDs for that interface from now on and remove those datapoints and graph from the interface
[2009-04-02 10::53:37] mrayzenoss: our Product Manager is watching the thread, so definitely post your grievances
[2009-04-02 10::54:07] rmatte: will do, I'll make a list and post it all tomorrow
[2009-04-02 10::54:16] mrayzenoss: cool
[2009-04-02 10::54:24] rmatte: other than a few things though, Zenoss is really shaping up in to a nice product
[2009-04-02 10::54:51] mrayzenoss: I credit mrchippy
[2009-04-02 10::55:15] mrchippy: oh mray, i'm blushing
[2009-04-02 10::55:27] rmatte: hehe
[2009-04-02 10::57:10] mrayzenoss: if it's public I'll link it
[2009-04-02 10::57:20] rmatte: yeh, it'll be public
[2009-04-02 10::59:59] mrayzenoss: funny you should ask
[2009-04-02 11::00:58] rmatte: nice
[2009-04-02 11::01:13] mrayzenoss: still fixes going in
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[2009-04-02 11::05:33] rocket: mrayzenoss: quick question for ya .. where would I find the info about using data I created in a collector plugin for a template?
[2009-04-02 11::06:51] mrayzenoss: I'm not sure what you're asking
[2009-04-02 11::07:00] rmatte: Oh, I also had another suggestion to increase Zenoss' monitoring capabilities. When doing auto-discovery tons of devices come up that don't have SNMP installed on them, best guess is generally that these are workstations but I thought of another type of query that could be used in the discovery/modeling process...
[2009-04-02 11::07:27] rocket: basically for my generic printer zenpack I am creating I have grabbed the snmp data for consumables
[2009-04-02 11::08:32] mrayzenoss: Are you asking how to add an SNMP datasource to a device template?
[2009-04-02 11::08:50] rocket: yeah but I need additional filtering on the table
[2009-04-02 11::10:27] mrayzenoss: rmatte: that's like a feature that didn't make the cut for Blue Crab. auto-classification of /Discovered devices based on snmp, wmi and ssh
[2009-04-02 11::10:50] mrchippy: rocket: i think what you want is to create the datasource and set RRDMin to 0. That will cause RRD to register the points as 'unknown', and they won't get graphed.
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[2009-04-02 11::14:27] mrayzenoss: but it will still create empty graphs
[2009-04-02 11::16:13] rmatte: xprobe2 yeh, but what if some of the interfaces don't support snmp, wmi, and ssh?
[2009-04-02 11::18:04] rocket: mrayzenoss: my issue is I have these 8 items .. cyan black magenta yellow stapler finisher formfeeder duplexer
[2009-04-02 11::19:45] mrayzenoss: trac-zenpacks/browser/zenpacks/ZenPacks.community.HPSIMMonitor/ZenPacks/community/HPSIMMonitor/modeler/plugins/community/snmp/HPDeviceTemplateMap.py
[2009-04-02 11::21:21] rocket: mrayzenoss: the problem is its a value of a column
[2009-04-02 11::21:34] dmyers: i'm trying to find it in the documentation but i just get pointed back to user group management, i want to take 8 devices and put them all into one "group" i just don't know the zenoss name for it.. top level organizer?
[2009-04-02 11::21:38] ** dmyers is now known as davidX.
[2009-04-02 11::21:41] rocket: unless I am misunderstanding it ..
[2009-04-02 11::23:12] mrayzenoss: davidX: you can add a new "System" or new "Group"
[2009-04-02 11::23:30] ** mrchippy left the chat room.
[2009-04-02 11::24:45] mrayzenoss: rmatte: yeah, we may add more fingerprinting to the discovery code, or perhaps wmi/snmp/ssh will be sufficient. It'll be in King Crab most likely
[2009-04-02 11::25:33] ** konsa79[ita] joined the chat room.
[2009-04-02 11::25:37] mrayzenoss: rocket: I gotta go, I'll be back this afternoon and we can discuss it some more
[2009-04-02 11::25:42] rocket: ok
[2009-04-02 11::25:54] konsa79[ita]: Hi mray
[2009-04-02 11::26:01] mrayzenoss: thanks to everyone who showed up, I'll have the transcript up this afternoon
[2009-04-02 11::26:29] rmatte: another huge thing for King Crab to have would be device relations, basically being able to say, this device is related to this device, if this device goes down, don't notify on this other device, or all of these switches are related to this router, if the router goes down, don't notify on the switches.
[2009-04-02 11::26:37] ** You changed the topic to "Zenoss 2.4 Beta 2 is Available for Testing".
[2009-04-02 11::26:47] ** mikl left the chat room.
[2009-04-02 11::27:11] mrayzenoss: rmatte: yeah
[2009-04-02 11::27:21] rmatte: ok
[2009-04-02 11::27:29] rmatte: cya around
[2009-04-02 11::28:18] konsa79[ita]: a question: it's possible to tell to alarm rules to don't send mail if main internet connection is down ? (i monitor all device from remove and sometime's i've internet connection failure so i don't want to full my outgoing smtp queue with false alarms)
[2009-04-02 11::46:09] ** jsm joined the chat room.
[2009-04-02 11::49:48] jsm: mrayzenoss: i've gotten a little further on my quest to add a http datasource via the api, thanks for your previous help. My latest reply to http://forums.zenoss.com/viewtopic.php?t=9242 still leaves me stumped at actually modifying the datasource values once they are added. any help would be appreciated
[2009-04-02 11::50:14] adytum-bot: Title: Forums :: View topic - using manage_addRRDDataSource via xmlrpc (at forums.zenoss.com)
[2009-04-02 11::51:10] rmatte: konsa79[ita]: not even sure if that's possible at the moment
[2009-04-02 11::52:41] davidX: mrayzenoss: how do i add the specific device to the group i just made?
[2009-04-02 11::53:27] rmatte: davidX: go to the devices list, put a checkmark next to the device, go in to the dropdown and select Set Groups
[2009-04-02 11::53:48] davidX: duhhh
[2009-04-02 11::53:52] rmatte: np
