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[01-May-2007 20:21:41] <b52GM> hi
[01-May-2007 20:32:43] <b52GM> do you know were i can find the snmpCycleTime parameter
[01-May-2007 20:32:46] <b52GM> ?
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[02-May-2007 04:36:38] <Foley> Hellò! Is there a zenoss server for windows?
[02-May-2007 04:37:40] <Foley> I guess not
[02-May-2007 04:39:25] <b52GM> Foley,
[02-May-2007 04:39:28] <bzed> you don't wanna run something liek zenoss under windows
[02-May-2007 04:39:57] <b52GM> Foley, i don't want to be impolite man , but could i ask what dd you eat this morning
?
[02-May-2007 04:39:59] <bzed> except you like to have pain
[02-May-2007 04:48:30] <b52GM> epople i have change the ZsnmpCycle
[02-May-2007 04:48:40] <b52GM> but how to tell zenoss
[02-May-2007 04:48:53] <b52GM> to reload the RDD graph
[02-May-2007 04:48:58] <b52GM> and use these parameters
[02-May-2007 04:48:59] <b52GM> ?
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[02-May-2007 04:55:43] <foo> Does zenoss create graphs of things such as system load? Or any plugin I create... ?
[02-May-2007 04:59:54] <Foley> b52GM: egg and bacon
[02-May-2007 04:59:59] <Foley> bzed: okei..
[02-May-2007 05:00:13] <Foley> then this system is not for us.
[02-May-2007 05:00:21] <Foley>
[02-May-2007 05:00:26] <b52GM> Foley, wait
[02-May-2007 05:01:13] <b52GM> Foley, zenoss is based under zope , and zope under windows you can just shutdoan and start , i mean if you want push the things further , it must me a *Unix like
[02-May-2007 05:01:22] <b52GM> or you gone get problem !
[02-May-2007 05:02:01] <bzed> in theory it could run under windows
[02-May-2007 05:02:06] <bzed> I'm pretty sure
[02-May-2007 05:02:15] <b52GM> yeah it will run
[02-May-2007 05:02:18] <bzed> but again, it would be pain
[02-May-2007 05:02:28] <b52GM> but if it crash you will not know the reason
[02-May-2007 05:02:38] <foo> Any ideas?
[02-May-2007 05:02:42] <foo> I don't seem to see anything on the website
[02-May-2007 05:02:42] <b52GM> Foley, zope under windows is like Bondage
[02-May-2007 05:02:45] <bzed> that's not the only problem
[02-May-2007 05:03:24] <bzed> Foley: there's not any serious network monitoring system that runs under windows. detup a linux box and run zenoss (or whatever else you prefer), you can use sucky IE to control it later
[02-May-2007 05:04:17] <foo> Foley: Use VMware under Windows
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[02-May-2007 05:13:48] <b52GM> how could do to see the graphs in reel time
[02-May-2007 05:13:51] <b52GM> is it possile
[02-May-2007 05:13:51] <b52GM> ?
[02-May-2007 05:14:10] <b52GM> i mean graphs reloaded every 5 seconde or stull like that
[02-May-2007 05:14:12] <b52GM> ?
[02-May-2007 05:14:33] <bzed> doesn't make sense imho
[02-May-2007 05:14:45] <b52GM> euh !
[02-May-2007 05:15:10] <b52GM> bzed, i mean yu don't see that as usefull stuff ?
[02-May-2007 05:15:17] <bzed> no
[02-May-2007 05:15:32] * b52GM send to bzed a tea cup
[02-May-2007 05:15:44] <bzed>
[02-May-2007 05:15:54] <b52GM> bzed, but is it possibe ?
[02-May-2007 05:16:59] <bzed> no clue, sorry (well, you have the code, so it is possible, but I don;t know enough about zenoss yet to know how to do it at all)
[02-May-2007 05:20:44] <b52GM> bzed, a guy on the mailling list just reply to me and describe to me how to do , but it can not make it work
[02-May-2007 05:20:47] <b52GM> anyway
[02-May-2007 05:20:48] <b52GM>
[02-May-2007 05:20:51] <b52GM>
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[02-May-2007 10:37:06] <erastes> so anyone know how to enable anonymous access to parts of zenoss (like the simple dashboard)?
[02-May-2007 10:37:22] <erastes> the new version has a different login mechanism that seems to prevent anonymous access
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[02-May-2007 10:40:22] <b52GM> did someone executed this tutto successufully http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToSimpleDashboard
[02-May-2007 10:40:22] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToSimpleDashboard - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-May-2007 10:40:24] <b52GM> i for some problem to implement this tuto
[02-May-2007 10:40:41] <erastes> I've read that
[02-May-2007 10:40:53] <erastes> and triple checked every part of it to make sure I'm in compliance
[02-May-2007 10:41:00] <creiht> As I understand that, it doesn't work for the latest version
[02-May-2007 10:41:09] <creiht> erastes: What version are you running?
[02-May-2007 10:41:17] <erastes> I forget, let me check
[02-May-2007 10:41:36] <erastes> 1.1.1
[02-May-2007 10:42:08] <creiht> erastes: Do you need people to see everything in the dashboard, or just say the graphs
[02-May-2007 10:42:19] <erastes> erastes: pretty much everything
[02-May-2007 10:42:37] <erastes> and it needs to be embeddable in an iframe so no wget post tricks
[02-May-2007 10:42:38] <b52GM> is it possble to make real time monitoring on a interfaces for an exemple ? 5 seconde for example or so
[02-May-2007 10:42:39] <b52GM> ?
[02-May-2007 10:42:55] <erastes> er, I meant to direct my comment to creiht
[02-May-2007 10:43:01] <erastes> not myself obviously
[02-May-2007 10:43:49] <creiht> The one thing that I have done
[02-May-2007 10:43:56] <creiht> Is set it up so that I can link the graphs
[02-May-2007 10:44:06] <erastes> yea I saw a post on that
[02-May-2007 10:44:07] <creiht> I then created a page in our corporate wiki
[02-May-2007 10:44:21] <creiht> That displays all the important graphs
[02-May-2007 10:44:35] <creiht> But that doesn't sound like what you are looking for
[02-May-2007 10:44:56] <erastes> yea, I imagine that there will be an updated method for anonymous access
[02-May-2007 10:45:12] <erastes> but it's kind of annoying to upgrade and have that feature gone/changed
[02-May-2007 10:47:02] <b52GM> h so one see the utility of real time monitoring :d
[02-May-2007 10:52:03] <b52GM> poeple how could i acceess to the zmi ?
[02-May-2007 10:52:17] <b52GM> http://127.0.0.1:8080/zport
[02-May-2007 10:52:24] <b52GM> --> send me automaticcly to the dmd
[02-May-2007 10:52:25] <b52GM> zone
[02-May-2007 10:52:27] <b52GM> ?
[02-May-2007 10:52:41] <erastes> http://yourserver:8080/manage
[02-May-2007 10:53:01] <b52GM> erastes, thks
[02-May-2007 11:49:08] <b52GM> any one got a link that permit to create kind of a ash road but with specified graphs on certains interfaces , if he could look like this one http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToSimpleDashboard ?
[02-May-2007 11:49:08] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToSimpleDashboard - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[02-May-2007 14:47:04] <foo> Is there a way to have zenoss create graphs of something such as zenoss?
[02-May-2007 14:47:14] <erastes> what?
[02-May-2007 14:47:30] <erastes> english, do you speak it?
[02-May-2007 14:47:31] <foo> I mean, such as system load
[02-May-2007 14:47:31] <foo> haha
[02-May-2007 14:47:54] <erastes> you mean like plot load averages?
[02-May-2007 14:48:21] <foo> Yeah, a plot graph works
[02-May-2007 14:48:54] <erastes> I don't think there's a way to do this out of the box without coding some stuff for zenoss.
[02-May-2007 14:49:24] <erastes> personally, when I want to graph custom metrics I use bash/perl + mysql to store the data and then either rddtool or jpgraph to write the graphs.
[02-May-2007 14:49:40] <erastes> there's probably a "right" way to do it and integrate it with zenoss but I'm not sure.
[02-May-2007 14:51:27] <foo> gah, ok
[02-May-2007 14:51:31] * foo is on nagios now, thinking about moving
[02-May-2007 14:52:18] <erastes> nagios is a pain, if you can change it's definitely worth it
[02-May-2007 14:52:48] <foo> I know it very well, have about 20 devices setup on it
[02-May-2007 14:53:00] <foo> But yeah, I've seen zenoss in person, been to a talk, and have 2 zenoss hats
[02-May-2007 14:53:00] <foo>
[02-May-2007 14:53:34] * erastes has no hat
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[02-May-2007 14:54:20] <foo> hehe
[02-May-2007 14:55:03] <chet> foo: Zenoss graphs load average by default on any system with a Net-SNMP agent installed.
[02-May-2007 14:55:50] <erastes> it does load average?
[02-May-2007 14:55:51] <erastes> since when?
[02-May-2007 14:56:15] <chet> I only started using at version 0.23, but since then at least.
[02-May-2007 14:56:43] <erastes> I've seen memory and cpu usage but not load averages
[02-May-2007 14:57:01] <erastes> oh there it is
[02-May-2007 14:57:06] * erastes is on crack today
[02-May-2007 14:57:13] <chet> I get 5 minute load average, cpu utilization, cpu idle, free memory and free swap.
[02-May-2007 14:57:33] <erastes> yea I see it now.
[02-May-2007 14:57:46] <erastes> foo: well there you go
[02-May-2007 14:58:24] <foo> sweet, thanks
[02-May-2007 14:58:27] <chet> foo: You'll also get interface throughput/packets/errors and file system utilization.
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[02-May-2007 15:01:28] <foo> chet: hm, can you take a screenshot for me by any chance? I didn't see one on the site
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[02-May-2007 15:10:20] <chet> Take a look at http://www.zenoss.com/product/tour/graphing
[02-May-2007 15:10:20] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Product Tour : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[02-May-2007 15:11:16] <chet> That screenshot is a bit out of date though. The "swoopy" graphs have been added since then. You can navigate and zoom in/out on the performance graphs now.
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[02-May-2007 15:19:06] <foo> chet: ahhh, sweet.
[02-May-2007 15:19:14] <foo> chet: I thought that was just mrtg and skimmed over it
[02-May-2007 15:19:15] <foo>
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[02-May-2007 16:26:00] <mdbalderas> trying to rebuild Zenoss from the rhel5 src rpm and getting a
[02-May-2007 16:26:08] <mdbalderas> "replace: command not found"
[02-May-2007 16:26:31] <mdbalderas> can't find package to install containing the replace command
[02-May-2007 16:26:35] <mdbalderas> anyone have any idea?
[02-May-2007 16:29:01] <progma> is it on your system at all? in /usr/bin on my 4 and 5 boxes
[02-May-2007 16:29:26] <mdbalderas> nope
[02-May-2007 16:29:39] <mdbalderas> can you rpm -qf /usr/bin/replace ?
[02-May-2007 16:32:24] <mdbalderas> nevermind...found it on another of my boxes, installed from mysql-server
[02-May-2007 16:32:30] <chet> mdbalderas: It looks to be part of the
[02-May-2007 16:32:33] <chet> .. yup
[02-May-2007 16:32:51] <mdbalderas> weird that the rpm-build --rebuild had a dep error for mysql but not mysql-server
[02-May-2007 16:33:28] <chet> Every distribution calls their mysql packages by different names..
[02-May-2007 16:33:34] <chet> It's a pain.
[02-May-2007 16:33:50] <mdbalderas> but I am using the rhel5.src.rpm of zenoss on a rhel5 box
[02-May-2007 16:33:55] <mdbalderas> that's the rub
[02-May-2007 16:34:10] <mdbalderas> ah well...working now
[02-May-2007 16:34:33] <chet> Oh.. I'd report that to the mailing list or create a ticket in that case.
[02-May-2007 16:34:50] <chet> Better to get these packaging issues sorted out now with 2.0 coming down the pike.
[02-May-2007 16:39:09] <mdbalderas> yeah...recreating for exact error and submiting a ticket now
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[03-May-2007 06:54:18] <dmnd> hi
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[03-May-2007 08:36:41] <mw`> hi
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[03-May-2007 08:41:46] <mw`> is it possible to run zenoss as a distributed service? not only the sensors should be distributed but also the webfrondends should be. eg theres one huge zenoss monitoring many small zenoss installations
[03-May-2007 08:46:01] <erastes> if you get it running through apache you could probably use ultramonkey
[03-May-2007 08:46:05] <erastes> and clustered mysql
[03-May-2007 08:48:50] <mw`> uhm, we are planning to monitor several subsidiary companies, each with their own monitoring tool, and one central tool at the headquarters
[03-May-2007 08:53:19] <mw`> nagios has some nice feature to forward any event to another nagios instance (called "obessive compulsive service processor")
[03-May-2007 08:58:24] <mw`> btw there is a 2.0 tag in subversion, is this the 2.0 final?
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[03-May-2007 15:23:23] <jimmy-james> i am playing with the vm image and have successfully added my first device, but there are no interfaces showing up for the device, anyone experience this problem before?
[03-May-2007 15:24:02] <jimmy-james> maybe snmp isnt configured on the device i added properly
[03-May-2007 15:26:41] <dmnd> try a snmpwalk on that system
[03-May-2007 15:28:00] <jimmy-james> what params do i have to pass to that command
[03-May-2007 15:28:11] <jimmy-james> i tried snmpwalk hostname.com
[03-May-2007 15:28:22] <jimmy-james> but i got snmpwalk: No securityName specified back
[03-May-2007 15:28:39] <dmnd> snmpwalk -c community plep.tld
[03-May-2007 15:30:08] <jimmy-james> what is plep.tld is that the host?
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[03-May-2007 15:30:58] <dmnd> yes
[03-May-2007 15:31:32] <progma> what os are you guys running zenoss in
[03-May-2007 15:31:42] <jimmy-james> hmm i keep on getting No securityName
[03-May-2007 15:32:02] <progma> that sounds like snmp
[03-May-2007 15:32:09] <jimmy-james> snmpwalk -c community hostname.com is what i ran
[03-May-2007 15:32:27] <progma> dmnd: what is your public r/o community name
[03-May-2007 15:33:00] <dmnd> progma: i'm still on nagios, but i want to try out zenoss because of the trending support
[03-May-2007 15:33:22] <dmnd> jimmy-james: you need to place community to public or whatever you have set yhe community to on your host
[03-May-2007 15:33:48] <progma> dmnd: does it make a diff if you change snmp version i.e. "snmpwalk -v 1 -c public host" or -v 2c
[03-May-2007 15:34:00] <dmnd> yes
[03-May-2007 15:35:47] <jimmy-james> it looks like its set to public in my snmpd.conf and my device's settings
[03-May-2007 15:35:55] <jimmy-james> http://dpaste.com/9560/
[03-May-2007 15:35:55] <adytum-bot> Title: dpaste: #9560: snmpd.conf, by jimmy (at dpaste.com)
[03-May-2007 15:36:14] <jimmy-james> dmnd: could you possibly paste a sample snmpd.conf ?
[03-May-2007 15:38:07] <dmnd> http://dpaste.com/9561/
[03-May-2007 15:38:07] <adytum-bot> Title: dpaste: #9561: bla, by dmnd (at dpaste.com)
[03-May-2007 15:45:51] <progma> yup
[03-May-2007 15:46:04] <progma> dmnd: snmpwalk -v 1 -c public host system
[03-May-2007 15:46:13] <progma> where host is your hostname
[03-May-2007 15:46:29] <dmnd> progma: jimmy-james has a problem ;>
[03-May-2007 15:46:55] <progma> oh sorry
[03-May-2007 15:47:17] <progma> too many windows :|
[03-May-2007 15:47:57] <dmnd> doesnt matter
[03-May-2007 15:55:41] <jimmy-james> yeah i guess i just dont understand this snmpd.conf file
[03-May-2007 15:55:58] <jimmy-james> trying to figure out what the lines mean
[03-May-2007 15:58:50] <progma> jimmy-james: what kind of server hardware
[03-May-2007 15:59:15] <jimmy-james> its just an ubuntu box sitting in my room
[03-May-2007 15:59:47] <jimmy-james> not an ideal server, but i just wanted to play with zenoss to see how it compares to nagios
[03-May-2007 16:02:35] <progma> i was trying out zabbix as a replacement for nagios since i like it's built in graphing (plus i have painful memories of getting nagiosgraph working)
[03-May-2007 16:02:57] <progma> but its templates are retarded it takes like 8 yrs to add an item then a trigger and then add it to your maps
[03-May-2007 16:03:01] <progma> great for free though
[03-May-2007 16:03:15] <jimmy-james> yeah, the configuration was a hassle
[03-May-2007 16:03:42] <progma> so, i'm checking out zenoss as a replacement for nagios/fruity and cacti basically
[03-May-2007 16:03:59] <dmnd> progma: same here
[03-May-2007 16:04:03] <jimmy-james> yeah
[03-May-2007 16:04:18] <jimmy-james> it all seems great so far, slick interface
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[03-May-2007 18:39:54] <garrett__> I'm trying to install zenoss on debian following the zforum.org thread, but installing Zope2.9 gives me a Zope2.9: no instances found after installing, and I have a feeling that's why I can't create the zope and zeo instances with dzhandle.
[03-May-2007 18:39:56] <garrett__> any ideas?
[03-May-2007 18:45:00] <bzed> yeah, two ideas
[03-May-2007 18:45:29] <bzed> 1. wait for debian packages (we wann have them ready at the end of may)
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[03-May-2007 18:46:38] <bzed> 2. http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1551&highlight= << follow this
[03-May-2007 18:46:38] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Installing on Debian etch using mostly native packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[03-May-2007 18:46:38] <chris_d> Can someone help with email alerts? I've read the docs and the forums, and I *think* I've done everything right, but I don't receive alerts.
[03-May-2007 18:46:57] <garrett__> bzed: that's the walkthrough that i'm following, actually.
[03-May-2007 18:47:16] <garrett__> everything works up to the dzhandle
[03-May-2007 18:47:28] <bzed> that's the problem with dzhandle?
[03-May-2007 18:47:37] <bzed> paste your command and the output in a pastebin please
[03-May-2007 18:47:43] <bzed> *what's....
[03-May-2007 18:50:18] <garrett__> bzed: well, I tought that dzhandle was throwing the error "no such option: --addon-mode" because maybe my zope install from the apt didn't finish correcly, and that there might be an older version sitting on the server somewhere.
[03-May-2007 18:51:13] <bzed> can you put all error messages and you commands into a pastebin please?
[03-May-2007 18:51:25] <bzed> I can't read minds, unfortunately
[03-May-2007 18:52:05] <garrett__> sure
[03-May-2007 18:53:41] <garrett__> http://pastebin.ca/469834
[03-May-2007 18:53:41] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - dzhandle - post number 469834 (at pastebin.ca)
[03-May-2007 18:56:08] <bzed> and the error of apt while isntalling zope?
[03-May-2007 18:57:13] <bzed> ah
[03-May-2007 18:57:16] <bzed> I see the problem
[03-May-2007 18:57:31] <bzed> dzhandle -z2.9 -u zenoss make-zopeinstance zenoss --addon-mode=manual --user=admin:zenoss --service-user=zenoss:zope --service-port=8080
[03-May-2007 18:57:34] <garrett__> well, it might be an error from zope if zope's trying to start right after the install finished.
[03-May-2007 18:57:35] <bzed> use this
[03-May-2007 18:57:41] <bzed> no
[03-May-2007 18:57:55] <bzed> it only tries to find isntances and doesn;t do anything if there's no instance
[03-May-2007 18:58:09] <garrett__> oh
[03-May-2007 18:58:09] <garrett__> ok
[03-May-2007 18:58:12] <bzed> but you ahve to create a zopeinstance there, and not a zeoinstance
[03-May-2007 18:58:28] <garrett__> ok
[03-May-2007 19:00:18] <garrett__> hm. knowing action ' make-zopeinstance'
[03-May-2007 19:01:39] <bzed> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6210#6210
[03-May-2007 19:01:39] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Installing on Debian etch using mostly native packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[03-May-2007 19:02:25] <garrett__> erp
[03-May-2007 19:02:40] <garrett__> i ran that, but got "unknown action 'make-zopeinstance'
[03-May-2007 19:02:43] <garrett__> running zope2.9
[03-May-2007 19:05:30] <garrett__> maybe make-instance, instead?
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[03-May-2007 19:23:15] <bzed> garrett__: err yes, of course
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[04-May-2007 00:07:33] <bashu_> hi all
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[04-May-2007 14:38:45] <garrett__> Hi. Any idea why run_zenbuild would error out with "unable to create the initial Zenoss object database"?
[04-May-2007 14:39:35] <garrett__> zenbuild.log says "ImportError: No module named Globals" in a python traceback from /srv/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/zenbuild.py
[04-May-2007 14:49:26] <foo> It's just as easy to make plugins for zenoss as it is for nagios, right?
[04-May-2007 14:50:15] <chet> garrett__: That error is normally the result of not having the environment setup properly with ZENHOME/etc..
[04-May-2007 14:50:39] <chet> foo: Zenoss can use Nagios plugins unmodified, so I'd say it is exactly as easy.
[04-May-2007 14:51:04] <chet> foo: For most SNMP monitoring you don't even need plugins though, so those applications would be even easier.
[04-May-2007 14:51:10] <foo> chet: Thought so. If I have, say, 30 devices I want to monitor. Will 512mb of ram or such suffice?
[04-May-2007 14:51:15] <foo> chet: cool
[04-May-2007 14:51:37] <chet> yeah, 30 devices should be no problem at all.
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[04-May-2007 15:01:58] <foo> chet: thanks. I plan on setting this up in a VM in ubuntu soon.
[04-May-2007 15:16:47] <garrett__> should there be a Globals.py in $ZENHOME/lib/python?
[04-May-2007 15:17:01] <garrett__> or does zenoss import zope's Globals?
[04-May-2007 15:23:06] <garrett__> because there's no Globals.py in my $ZENHOME/lib/python
[04-May-2007 15:24:20] <chet> garrett__: I do have Globals.py in that directory.
[04-May-2007 15:24:32] <garrett__> I'm pretty sure that's what my issue is, then
[04-May-2007 15:24:42] <garrett__> there's no Globals.py in the package that I downloaded.
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[04-May-2007 15:37:20] <bzed> which one did you download?
[04-May-2007 15:43:11] <garrett__> 1.1.1
[04-May-2007 15:43:19] <garrett__> downloading 1.1.2 right now
[04-May-2007 16:22:39] <garrett__> should zenoss-1.1.2 have a Globals.py or something in the tarball?
[04-May-2007 16:22:43] <garrett__> I just unpacked it and it's not there.
[04-May-2007 16:25:45] <garrett__> or does that come from Zope?
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[04-May-2007 17:21:01] <garrett__> soooo.. is Globals.py supposed to be in $ZENHOME/lib/python?
[04-May-2007 17:21:14] <garrett__> because there is no Globals.py in either 1.1.1 or 1.1.2 source packages.
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[04-May-2007 17:37:59] <mdbalderas> RHEL5, testing email addresses and alerting all tagging /var/log/maillog with "did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA"
[04-May-2007 17:38:01] <mdbalderas> any ideas?
[04-May-2007 17:45:13] <progma> just info
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[04-May-2007 17:45:34] <progma> not serious; means there wasn't a full smtp conversation i think
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[04-May-2007 17:55:53] <garrett__> still no ideas on where that Globals.py comes from?
[04-May-2007 17:56:10] <garrett__> I can't find a single Globals.py on my system...
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[04-May-2007 17:58:21] <garrett__> I even checked svn and the 1.1.2 rpm
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[05-May-2007 12:17:09] <darcon> How do you search for values in custom fields?
[05-May-2007 12:17:35] <darcon> the search box on the top seems to only find device names
[05-May-2007 12:25:56] <darcon> the features page says "Search for resources using custom fields" so I must just be missing something
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[07-May-2007 07:01:41] <iuso> hi, i have a problem. i want to see network traffic graphs for each linux server on the same page where the cpu and disk usage graphs etc. are shown. in effect i want to merge the ethernetCsmacd perfconf with the /Devices/Server/Linux perfconf
[07-May-2007 07:02:24] <iuso> is that possible with some handy feature or do i need to copy all the datasources, thresholds and graphs by hand?
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[07-May-2007 12:45:43] <chris_d> Good morning. I'm getting strange (and incorrect) numbers for disk partitions on one of my Solaris systems.
[07-May-2007 12:46:08] <chris_d> Can somebody tell me how to determine the source of the data?
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[07-May-2007 14:39:09] <zntneo> anyone know why i can't install zenoss on os x?
[07-May-2007 14:39:13] <zntneo> I get this error make: *** [mysql-python-install] Error 1
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[07-May-2007 14:42:19] <zntneo> anyone?
[07-May-2007 14:45:40] <_chris_> zntneo: check your build/zenbuild.log
[07-May-2007 14:45:44] <_chris_> there should be more details in there
[07-May-2007 14:45:52] <_chris_> you might be missing the Python.h file
[07-May-2007 14:45:57] <_chris_> although on osx i think that's installed by default
[07-May-2007 14:46:09] <zntneo> it say si'm missing mysql.h
[07-May-2007 14:46:18] <_chris_> did you install mysql via fink?
[07-May-2007 14:46:20] <zntneo> mysqld_error.h and errmsg.h
[07-May-2007 14:46:30] <zntneo> via macports
[07-May-2007 14:46:51] <_chris_> hmm... i installed via fink so my version of those files are in /sw/include
[07-May-2007 14:47:06] <zntneo> how do i get it so they are found?
[07-May-2007 14:47:40] <_chris_> i'm not sure how gcc under osx resolves the header files. i know it ultimately boils down to either the CFLAGS variable
[07-May-2007 14:47:53] <_chris_> or some file somewhere that lists what directories are supposed to be included in the search path
[07-May-2007 14:49:07] <zntneo> what did you do with the fink install?
[07-May-2007 14:49:37] <_chris_> long long time ago i just installed fink (followed the instructions on their website)
[07-May-2007 14:49:42] <_chris_> and then installed mysql
[07-May-2007 14:49:56] <_chris_> the fink installation process must set some include search path in /etc somewhere
[07-May-2007 14:50:13] <zntneo> so zenoss installe djust fine?
[07-May-2007 14:51:42] <_chris_> oh yes.
[07-May-2007 14:51:51] <_chris_> many of us use OSX as our development platform
[07-May-2007 14:51:59] <zntneo> i think i fixed it
[07-May-2007 14:52:10] <_chris_> was it a file in /etc somewhere?
[07-May-2007 14:52:21] <zntneo> had to change a few lines in setup.py
[07-May-2007 14:53:07] <zntneo> i think it was because i am using mysql5
[07-May-2007 15:02:50] <zntneo> now i get make: *** [nagios-install]
[07-May-2007 15:03:29] <zntneo> Error 2
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[07-May-2007 16:05:10] <dan__t> 'afternoon.
[07-May-2007 16:05:30] <dan__t> Anyone know what might be able to explain this one, when gathering data on a device manually: http://pastebin.ca/475937
[07-May-2007 16:05:30] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Mine - post number 475937 (at pastebin.ca)
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[07-May-2007 16:35:16] <garrett__> If I'm building an admin panel, is there a way to filter the options presented when using an admin_double_list? I don't want all the entries for that table in the listing.
[07-May-2007 16:36:18] <garrett__> doh
[07-May-2007 16:36:21] <garrett__> wrong window.
[07-May-2007 16:36:25] <garrett__> right question/right window:
[07-May-2007 16:36:32] <garrett__> I posted a thread on the forums on friday, but haven't received a response about this: In the rpm's for 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 there is a /lib/python/Globals.py file. This file doesn't exist in the source packages. Is there a reason for that? ./zenbuild errors out saying that it can't find Globals.py
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[07-May-2007 17:00:44] <garrett__> So I copied the globals.py file from the 1.1.2 rpm (trying to install the 1.1.2 source distro), and now I get a floating point exception in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/zenbuild.py
[07-May-2007 17:06:23] <bzed> garrett__: did you ppost that on the zenoss-dev mailing list?
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[08-May-2007 00:15:24] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Genshi Templates in Nevow - 11 Apr, 05:04PM
[08-May-2007 00:15:25] -adytum-bot- http://www.advogato.org/person/oubiwann/diary.html?start=138
[08-May-2007 02:06:25] <Snake-Eyes> this is strange, zenoss isnt sending off emails when a alert is reached, yet it did before
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[08-May-2007 02:36:45] <Snake-Eyes> is there a full changelog some where showing whats been done between 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 ?
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[08-May-2007 06:18:07] <yeled> oi
[08-May-2007 06:18:40] <yeled> can someone tell me why all commands are "missing Globals.py" ?
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[08-May-2007 06:20:50] <yeled> it's been a month since i last tried to zendisc.py
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[08-May-2007 07:05:20] <yeled> ok
[08-May-2007 07:05:28] <yeled> export PYTHONPATH=$ZENHOME/lib/python
[08-May-2007 07:05:29] <yeled>
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[08-May-2007 07:41:49] <yeled> oops
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[08-May-2007 10:05:15] <zntneo> dangn't i'm getting an error again when i try installing zenoss
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[08-May-2007 10:06:01] <zntneo> make: *** [mysql-python-install] Error 1
[08-May-2007 10:07:15] <zntneo> here is my zenbuild.log http://www.pastebin.ca/477122
[08-May-2007 10:07:15] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Anonymous - post number 477122 (at www.pastebin.ca)
[08-May-2007 10:07:15] <zntneo> can anyone help?
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[08-May-2007 10:08:51] <zntneo> anyone?
[08-May-2007 10:19:39] <zntneo> why can't it just work!
[08-May-2007 10:43:22] <creiht> zntneo: What platform?
[08-May-2007 10:43:35] <zntneo> os x
[08-May-2007 10:43:40] <creiht> Most of us here are on and off, as we have day jobs as well
[08-May-2007 10:44:00] <zntneo> no no i'm not mad at you guys
[08-May-2007 10:44:06] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 10:44:26] <creiht> It looks like it can't find the mysql headers
[08-May-2007 10:44:52] <creiht> Are you using something like fink or macports?
[08-May-2007 10:45:15] <zntneo> i actually just installed mysql fromt he official binary package from mysql
[08-May-2007 10:45:30] <creiht> ok
[08-May-2007 10:45:47] <creiht> I'm not sure if that includes the headers or not
[08-May-2007 10:45:58] <creiht> Usually there is a separate dev package that includes that
[08-May-2007 10:46:12] <creiht> I havn't done that much on "OS X" though, so i can't tell you for sure
[08-May-2007 10:46:40] <creiht> The other possibility is that the headers are installed, but it doesn't know how to find them
[08-May-2007 10:47:48] <creiht> Once you get that straightened out, then you should be good to go
[08-May-2007 10:48:01] <zntneo> what header files does it need?
[08-May-2007 10:48:08] <creiht> mysql.h
[08-May-2007 10:48:10] <creiht> is the first
[08-May-2007 10:48:22] <creiht> look at line 6380 on your paste
[08-May-2007 10:48:43] <creiht> That's where your errors start
[08-May-2007 10:52:13] <zntneo> where does zenosss look to find the header files?
[08-May-2007 10:57:21] <creiht> I'm not so sure on that mac
[08-May-2007 10:57:39] <creiht> I use a mac, but I do no mac development
[08-May-2007 10:58:56] <zntneo> darn
[08-May-2007 11:04:06] <creiht> zntneo: You might try asking on the mailing lists, as the devs watch that fairly regularly
[08-May-2007 11:07:38] <zntneo> should i post on zenoss-users or zenoss-dev?
[08-May-2007 11:07:45] <creiht> zenoss-users
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[08-May-2007 14:51:56] <adeeln> how scalable is zenoss?
[08-May-2007 14:52:01] <adeeln> anyone know?
[08-May-2007 14:53:21] <creiht> adeeln: How scalable do you need it to be?
[08-May-2007 14:53:22] <creiht>
[08-May-2007 14:53:54] <creiht> I've heard of several people using for thousands of devices
[08-May-2007 14:54:05] <adeeln> creiht: pretty large...somewhere in the vicinity of 100,000
[08-May-2007 14:54:32] <creiht> adeeln: That is a good question
[08-May-2007 14:54:44] <creiht> It probably is with a bit of work
[08-May-2007 14:54:45] <adeeln> i know of another NMS that can do about 50,000 per server
[08-May-2007 14:54:54] <creiht> OpenNMS?
[08-May-2007 14:54:59] <adeeln> yep
[08-May-2007 14:55:03] <creiht> yes
[08-May-2007 14:55:06] <bzed> adeeln: i guess as you want to have a support contract for such a high number of devices anyway - you probalyt just wanna ask the team by mail, there's a contact form on the page
[08-May-2007 14:55:42] <creiht> adeeln: Yeah I would contact the zenoss guys, tell them what you want to do and see what they say
[08-May-2007 14:55:43] <bzed> distributed agents will be added in 2.1 - but no clue how many devices you can handle then
[08-May-2007 14:56:06] <adeeln> bzed: yeah i probably will contact them, but i was just wondering if anyone had any figures
[08-May-2007 14:56:34] <adeeln> anyone know what the base system resources are?
[08-May-2007 14:56:52] <bzed> i guess that depends on the number of events it needs to process
[08-May-2007 14:57:10] <adeeln> bzed: i mean just having the server running, with no clients...how much cpu/ram does it need?
[08-May-2007 14:57:20] <creiht> adeeln: My guess is that it is currently not as scalable as OpenNMS at the moment, but scalability is one of their top goals, and actively working on it at this moment
[08-May-2007 14:58:22] <adeeln> is there benefit to switching to zenoss from opennms?
[08-May-2007 14:58:24] <creiht> adeeln: You might also search the forums a bit, as I remember seeing several people talking about what they are monitoring
[08-May-2007 14:58:53] <creiht> Well my experience so far is that it is much simpler to set up and maintain
[08-May-2007 14:59:17] <adeeln> i'm getting the vmware app right now, and will play with that
[08-May-2007 14:59:36] <creiht> The devs for zenoss have been very open to suggestions
[08-May-2007 14:59:50] <creiht> Where as the OpenNMS guys are a little more set in their ways
[08-May-2007 14:59:58] <creiht> And note that I love the OpenNMS guys
[08-May-2007 15:00:11] <bzed> does opennms have something like zendisc ?
[08-May-2007 15:00:16] <creiht> yes
[08-May-2007 15:00:28] <adeeln> creight: i recognized your name from the countless hours i've spent in opennms
[08-May-2007 15:00:35] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:00:58] <adeeln> although, i will give you, simplicity of configuration is definitely a plus
[08-May-2007 15:01:04] <bzed> gettign rid of java is a good argument for me
[08-May-2007 15:01:07] <creiht> To me, the main thing that OpenNMS has over zenoss is scalability
[08-May-2007 15:01:09] <creiht> haha
[08-May-2007 15:01:16] <creiht> And they seem to be working on that
[08-May-2007 15:01:31] <creiht> The zenoss guys are very cool too
[08-May-2007 15:01:33] <adeeln> i don't mind how OpenNMS only uses tomcat/jetty verus jboss
[08-May-2007 15:01:42] <adeeln> jboss is a pain
[08-May-2007 15:01:46] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:02:05] <creiht> OpenNMS currently has better service monitoring as well
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[08-May-2007 15:02:19] <creiht> Zenoss does basically just port monitoring
[08-May-2007 15:02:30] <adeeln> can you monitor lm_sensors from zenoss?
[08-May-2007 15:02:38] <creiht> what are lm_sensors?
[08-May-2007 15:02:57] <adeeln> local machine sensors....basically you can monitor hardware temps, voltages, fan speeds, hd temps, etc
[08-May-2007 15:03:14] <creiht> Can you see them in a snmp_walk?
[08-May-2007 15:03:27] <adeeln> creiht: dunno...i'm not too familiar with snmp
[08-May-2007 15:03:30] <creiht> By default it is not set up to monitor those
[08-May-2007 15:03:34] <adeeln> you might be able to
[08-May-2007 15:03:41] <creiht> You have a couple of options
[08-May-2007 15:03:58] <creiht> Are you currently monitoring them in OpenNMS?
[08-May-2007 15:04:16] <adeeln> creiht: nope, i've been side tracked, haven't gotten to configuring opennms all the way through yet
[08-May-2007 15:04:18] <bzed> adeeln: i think fi you run a snmp daemon on the machines you should be able to monitor them, or you use the goold old nagios plugins instead
[08-May-2007 15:04:37] <creiht> Yeah the other option is that you could use a nagios plugin to monitor them
[08-May-2007 15:04:43] <adeeln> interesting
[08-May-2007 15:04:56] <creiht> Or in the next version write a Zenpack (Zenoss' new plugin system)
[08-May-2007 15:05:03] <adeeln> too bad no one has support for pulling information from an rrd dbase
[08-May-2007 15:05:24] <bzed> write a plugin?
[08-May-2007 15:05:37] <adeeln> bzed: it's on the todo list
[08-May-2007 15:05:55] <creiht> hmmm
[08-May-2007 15:05:59] <bzed> my todo list is getting longer every day, too
[08-May-2007 15:06:03] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:06:08] <creiht> You should see my todo list
[08-May-2007 15:06:09] <creiht>
[08-May-2007 15:06:15] <adeeln> mine's pretty hefty too
[08-May-2007 15:06:17] <creiht> I just do monitoring on the side
[08-May-2007 15:06:31] <adeeln> ahh, i do basically everything...IT to development
[08-May-2007 15:07:08] <creiht> I'm a developer, but somehow I ended up also being our monitoring person
[08-May-2007 15:07:40] <adeeln> see that's the weird thing with me...i'm not a developer...i hate programming, well not so much hate, as i never got into it much....
[08-May-2007 15:07:56] <adeeln> i'm an engineer, but i know a lot about computers, so here i am
[08-May-2007 15:08:13] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:08:41] <creiht> Another nice thing about Zenoss is no editing XML files
[08-May-2007 15:09:19] <adeeln> it's finally booting, so i'll be able to take a gander at it
[08-May-2007 15:09:25] <creiht> cool
[08-May-2007 15:09:32] <creiht> Pretty much everything can be done from the GUI
[08-May-2007 15:09:37] <adeeln> i can only hope that vmware will develop FULL opengl capabilities soon
[08-May-2007 15:09:55] <creiht> Zenoss also monitors itself, so it lets you know if one of the subsystems is not functioning properly
[08-May-2007 15:09:57] <adeeln> creiht: is it a web ui or an actual gui?
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[08-May-2007 15:09:59] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:10:04] <creiht> I've been hoping that for years
[08-May-2007 15:10:07] <creiht> it is a web ui
[08-May-2007 15:10:19] <adeeln> hey, they're using lighttpd
[08-May-2007 15:10:22] <adeeln> i like them already
[08-May-2007 15:11:20] <RobGault> creiht: have you used OpenNMS?
[08-May-2007 15:12:00] <creiht> Yes
[08-May-2007 15:12:05] <creiht> Quite a bit
[08-May-2007 15:12:11] <creiht> Well still do actually
[08-May-2007 15:12:12] <RobGault> how long ago?
[08-May-2007 15:12:24] <creiht> I've used it for the past couple of years
[08-May-2007 15:12:46] <creiht> Though a much older version
[08-May-2007 15:12:53] <creiht> that what is available now
[08-May-2007 15:13:03] <RobGault> I'm looking at switching, I'm only monitoring about 100 devices < 300 interfaces and am having trouble justifying the amount of time it is taking to configure OpenNMS
[08-May-2007 15:13:04] <creiht> I know they have been working on improvements
[08-May-2007 15:13:11] <creiht> haha
[08-May-2007 15:13:31] <creiht> sorry... didn't mean to laugh
[08-May-2007 15:13:51] <creiht> I currently use zenoss for close to 100 devices and like it a lot
[08-May-2007 15:13:57] <creiht> It's much easier to manage
[08-May-2007 15:14:20] <RobGault> What are you running it on?
[08-May-2007 15:14:26] <creiht> hrmm
[08-May-2007 15:14:39] <creiht> I think it is a dell 2650
[08-May-2007 15:14:51] <creiht> Some P4 with probably 1GB memory
[08-May-2007 15:15:02] <RobGault> are you aware of any issues running under Solaris?
[08-May-2007 15:15:04] <creiht> It also shares the same server as splunk
[08-May-2007 15:15:08] <creiht> I'm not sure
[08-May-2007 15:15:50] <creiht> I remember seeing Solaris pass by in the forums, so you might search there
[08-May-2007 15:15:55] <creiht> It should work
[08-May-2007 15:16:39] <creiht> Everything said.... I don't want to sound like I'm bashing OpenNMS... It is a good product with a good group of guys developing it
[08-May-2007 15:16:52] <RobGault> I'm hoping to get some time later this week or next to give it a try.
[08-May-2007 15:16:54] <creiht> So it would still be a good idea to evaluate both
[08-May-2007 15:17:19] <bzed> adeeln: ah btw, I think the num,ber of machines you can monitor also depends much on your mysql and ZEO. at least you can deploy them on different hosts to share the load a bit
[08-May-2007 15:17:42] <creiht> There are a lot of factors
[08-May-2007 15:17:56] <RobGault> I like the product very much, I just am running into an issue not being a programmer, and lacking documentation getting things running reliably.
[08-May-2007 15:18:05] <bzed> RobGault: i guess what you need on solaris are at least the gnu tools liek a gnu make and gcc
[08-May-2007 15:19:10] <bzed> i guess neither installing mysql nor zope will be a big problem on solaris, but as usual, there can be a lot of things be a pain in the ass if you want to compile something
[08-May-2007 15:19:20] <bzed> I'd probably run it on a linux box instead
[08-May-2007 15:19:42] <bzed> but I guess the zenoss dev team would be happy to know how to deploy it on solaris, if they don't do allready
[08-May-2007 15:19:43] <creiht> RobGault: There are usually people either here or on the forums that are willing to help
[08-May-2007 15:20:02] <RobGault> I've already got the hardware otherwise I would look at a Linux install.
[08-May-2007 15:20:28] <RobGault> Thanks for the input I'll let you know how it goes.
[08-May-2007 15:20:40] <creiht> cool
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[08-May-2007 15:26:55] <adeeln> bzed: ZEO?
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[08-May-2007 15:27:50] <adeeln> as far as deployment on linux, i've found deploying things on gentoo to be overall easier, for people who aren't programmers
[08-May-2007 15:28:10] <adeeln> rpm's for some reason just never work well, nor are they really consistent
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[08-May-2007 15:29:26] <adeeln> this is completely off topic, but i was wondering if anyone knew of any good open source collaboration software?
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[08-May-2007 15:34:09] <bzed> adeeln: zope enterprise objects
[08-May-2007 15:34:41] <bzed> adeeln: the way zope can store it's data if you need something scaleable
[08-May-2007 15:35:24] <bzed> adeeln: we're working on zenoss packages for debian at the moment... and for collab... what about gforge?
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[08-May-2007 16:22:15] <adeeln> bzed: i've been looking at open-xchange so far for collab
[08-May-2007 16:22:38] <bzed> ah you mean as groupware?
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[08-May-2007 16:23:02] <bzed> I wouldn't use a normal groupware for collab on software projects
[08-May-2007 16:23:39] <b52laptop> bzed, collab seem dead !
[08-May-2007 16:23:43] <adeeln> bzed: well that's the thing, we have both needs....software and normal
[08-May-2007 16:23:53] <adeeln> and i'm hoping that i don't have to install 10 different things
[08-May-2007 16:24:00] <bzed> hmm
[08-May-2007 16:24:08] <b52laptop> adeeln, open xchange seems too complicated to install ! zimbra seems less scary at the install !
[08-May-2007 16:24:26] <adeeln> b52laptop: yeah but zimbra doesn't seem like it's very powerful
[08-May-2007 16:24:33] <adeeln> ox has a nice list of features
[08-May-2007 16:24:39] <b52laptop> hm
[08-May-2007 16:24:48] <bzed> zimbra's interface sucks imho, and they include postfix and everything, and it's hard to configure as you'd like to configure it.
[08-May-2007 16:24:58] <adeeln> installation isn't that big of an issue for me
[08-May-2007 16:24:59] <bzed> I'd take scalix instead
[08-May-2007 16:25:09] <adeeln> with gentoo, things become semi-simple to install
[08-May-2007 16:25:13] <b52laptop> yeah they integrated postfix and mysql and .... pffff
[08-May-2007 16:25:24] <b52laptop> bzed, scalix don't seems open source :d
[08-May-2007 16:25:36] <b52laptop> and it's the same headache as zimbra
[08-May-2007 16:25:36] <b52laptop> :d
[08-May-2007 16:25:46] <adeeln> i don't really need an email program...my web host gives me free email, but i do need calenders
[08-May-2007 16:25:58] <adeeln> b52laptop: scalix should have a public license
[08-May-2007 16:26:07] <b52laptop> so openxchange :d
[08-May-2007 16:26:08] <bzed> b52laptop: zimbra is not better....
[08-May-2007 16:26:23] <adeeln> yeah, scalix isn't gpl, but it's OS
[08-May-2007 16:26:26] <b52laptop> adeeln, does scalix came with mysql and postfix at the install ?
[08-May-2007 16:26:27] <bzed> b52laptop: and open-exchange is worse, their important stuff is under CC non-commercial
[08-May-2007 16:26:33] <b52laptop> bzed, yeah
[08-May-2007 16:26:50] <bzed> no, scalix doesn;t bring postfix
[08-May-2007 16:27:02] <b52laptop> hm
[08-May-2007 16:27:09] <bzed> it configures your system's sendmail by default, but you can configure your postfix for it if you want
[08-May-2007 16:27:19] <adeeln> i'd love for an OS software to give me Outlook integration
[08-May-2007 16:27:42] <adeeln> ooo...scalix does support outlook
[08-May-2007 16:28:07] <bzed> i thkn zimbra and scaliz support outlook, but you ahve to pay for that
[08-May-2007 16:28:16] <adeeln> scalix includes it free apparently
[08-May-2007 16:28:25] <adeeln> As with all Scalix editions, it has a flexible, open architecture, and supports Outlook, Evolution, Scalix Web Access, and any IMAP or POP client.
[08-May-2007 16:28:54] <adeeln> scalix has a community edition....which supports 25 premium users...but you should be able to hack that
[08-May-2007 16:29:47] <adeeln> oooo...nero 3 for linux
[08-May-2007 16:29:48] <adeeln> interesting
[08-May-2007 16:30:03] <bzed> eww
[08-May-2007 16:30:07] <bzed> nero for linux sucks ass
[08-May-2007 16:30:09] <bzed> use k3b
[08-May-2007 16:30:14] <adeeln> bzed: i don't use kde
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[08-May-2007 16:32:27] <bzed> that doesn;t matter
[08-May-2007 16:32:32] <bzed> it will happily run under gnome
[08-May-2007 16:32:41] <bzed> all you need are a few libraries, as usual
[08-May-2007 16:32:48] <bzed> but it's still the best cd burning program ever
[08-May-2007 16:35:29] <adeel_n> i'm actually using xfce, but still
[08-May-2007 16:35:36] <adeel_n> i might try out scalix
[08-May-2007 16:36:44] <adeel_n> hmm....i like zenoss...but i think opennms might be better for me
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[08-May-2007 16:40:52] <bzed> just give the zenoss guys a call
[08-May-2007 16:41:54] <adeel_n> bzed: zenoss seems to be geared towards monitoring multiple different nodes....the vast majority of my nodes will be identical, and with opennms, i only have to set it up once, and it should be simple
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[08-May-2007 16:48:59] <bzed> adeel_n: that shouldn;t be a problem with zenoss either... I think. didn't do much with it until now, except working on packages - we want to have it packaged before usign it
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[08-May-2007 16:54:24] <adeel_n> ah...hmm...well i like the fact that opennms can do auto discovery, where any node that pops up in a subnet will be automatically monitored
[08-May-2007 16:55:09] <adeel_n> i'll definitely keep my eye on zenoss but i already have opennms installed and semi-configured
[08-May-2007 16:55:45] <bzed> zenoss can do that, too
[08-May-2007 16:56:48] <progma> k3b is excellent
[08-May-2007 16:56:56] <progma> regardless of wm
[08-May-2007 16:58:10] <adeel_n> any recommendations for a winblows recording program?
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[08-May-2007 16:59:29] <bzed> i guess nero
[08-May-2007 16:59:40] <adeel_n> thats unfortunate
[08-May-2007 16:59:41] <progma> the last time i used windows it was nero and roxio
[08-May-2007 17:00:15] <adeel_n> i used to like roxio a lot...but then they just crapped out
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[08-May-2007 17:06:38] <goomie> I am trying to set up zenwin on a win2k3 box I followed the doc on installing it. I now have this message in my events under this device "wmi connection failed: User credentials cannot be used for local connections"
[08-May-2007 17:14:16] <bzed> zenwin will be replaced in the new version
[08-May-2007 17:14:33] <bzed> you probably don't wanna mess with it at all
[08-May-2007 17:14:46] <bzed> better give the alpha (or is it beta yet) of 2.0 a try
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[08-May-2007 18:10:15] <WolfeWLU> Is there a way to get Zentrap to bind to a specific IP?
[08-May-2007 18:13:11] <WolfeWLU> Heellloooo? ;-)
[08-May-2007 18:14:37] <creiht> howdy
[08-May-2007 18:14:49] <creiht> You probably have to make a modification to the zentrap.py file
[08-May-2007 18:15:01] <creiht> I had to do that to change the port that zensyslog bound to
[08-May-2007 18:15:30] <creiht> Unfortunately they don't expose those as config options
[08-May-2007 18:15:37] <creiht> At least on the last version that I checked
[08-May-2007 18:15:59] <creiht> let me check
[08-May-2007 18:19:11] <WolfeWLU> creiht: Thank you!
[08-May-2007 18:21:07] <bzed> hmm, in theory you should not need to change the syslog port
[08-May-2007 18:21:14] <bzed> the IP to bind to is a different thing, though
[08-May-2007 18:21:31] <creiht> bzed: Well I am running syslog on our syslog server
[08-May-2007 18:21:33] <creiht>
[08-May-2007 18:21:42] <creiht> In hindsight not the best decision
[08-May-2007 18:21:52] <creiht> yeah and changing the ip is a bit different
[08-May-2007 18:22:01] <bzed> use syslog-ng and forward all stuff?
[08-May-2007 18:22:32] <bzed> i think syslog-ng should be able to write to log files and send all stuff to a different host
[08-May-2007 18:22:32] <creiht> The server is a generic syslog server that receives all our generic syslog stuff
[08-May-2007 18:22:47] <creiht> They both run on the same host though
[08-May-2007 18:22:56] <creiht> that is why I have to run it on another port
[08-May-2007 18:23:01] <creiht> which I could forward to if I wanted
[08-May-2007 18:23:10] <bzed> well, it won;t receive stuff on the different port?
[08-May-2007 18:23:12] <creiht> But I only have a couple of apps that forward messages to it
[08-May-2007 18:23:13] <bzed> ah
[08-May-2007 18:23:23] <creiht> It doesn't receive all syslog dtuff
[08-May-2007 18:23:44] <creiht> I think we have about 500GB syslog trafic a day on this box
[08-May-2007 18:23:53] <creiht> I don't want to run that through zenoss
[08-May-2007 18:24:07] <creiht> err not 500GB
[08-May-2007 18:24:09] <creiht> 50GB
[08-May-2007 18:24:11] <creiht> sorry
[08-May-2007 18:24:13] <creiht>
[08-May-2007 18:24:45] <b52laptop>
[08-May-2007 18:25:07] <bzed> yeah, that's a bit much
[08-May-2007 18:25:53] <creiht> Like I said... in hindsight not the best server for me to choose to install zenoss on
[08-May-2007 18:26:27] <bzed> no, i guess not
[08-May-2007 18:26:43] <creiht> I'll be moving it as soon as I have time
[08-May-2007 18:26:52] <creiht> but I have been saying that probably for the last 6 months
[08-May-2007 18:28:05] <creiht> WolfeWLU: Well good news and bad news
[08-May-2007 18:28:11] <creiht> I found it
[08-May-2007 18:28:22] <creiht> But they don't specify the interface
[08-May-2007 18:28:40] <creiht> which means there is no config for it
[08-May-2007 18:28:44] <creiht> If you want to modify the source
[08-May-2007 18:28:47] <creiht> You can edit
[08-May-2007 18:29:07] <WolfeWLU> creiht: LOL. That's OK. Its probably easier to move the other program that needs to listen for traps to another server.
[08-May-2007 18:29:15] <WolfeWLU> Thank you very much for digging.
[08-May-2007 18:29:22] <creiht> $ZENHOME/ZenEvents/zentrap.py
[08-May-2007 18:29:36] <WolfeWLU> Editing the source means I'll probably forget about the edit when I upgrade. :-)
[08-May-2007 18:29:41] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 18:29:42] <creiht> yeah
[08-May-2007 18:30:04] <creiht> until you see it show up as a heartbeat error, and you ask yourself, why is that not working
[08-May-2007 18:30:10] <creiht> Anyways if anyone is interested
[08-May-2007 18:30:14] <creiht> change the line
[08-May-2007 18:30:19] <creiht> reactor.listenUDP(self.port, self)
[08-May-2007 18:30:20] <creiht> to
[08-May-2007 18:30:41] <creiht> reactor.listenUDP(self.port, self, interface='192.168.10.10')
[08-May-2007 18:30:55] <creiht> of course replace the ip with whatever ip you want it to bind to
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[08-May-2007 18:32:24] <WolfeWLU> creiht: I'll put it in our wiki.
[08-May-2007 18:32:25] <WolfeWLU> :-)
[08-May-2007 18:32:43] <creiht> They really need to expose those things as a config option
[08-May-2007 18:32:54] <creiht> (port and ipaddress to bind to)
[08-May-2007 18:35:22] <WolfeWLU> creiht: Yeah. Its not like Python doesn't have a really nice config file library.
[08-May-2007 18:35:52] <creiht> I think I submitted a ticket for that, but I'm sure it is on the lower end of the priority list
[08-May-2007 18:36:02] <creiht> They have quite a few things on their plate right now
[08-May-2007 18:36:16] <creiht> And they already have the config structure set up
[08-May-2007 18:36:35] <creiht> I've told myself a couple of times that I would make the changes and contribute them, but then have had no time
[08-May-2007 18:37:12] <WolfeWLU> It's be nice they find time to put 95th percentile support in out of the box.
[08-May-2007 18:39:13] <WolfeWLU> It'd also be nice if I could figure out why mount is claiming NFSv3 Not Supported!....
[08-May-2007 18:40:40] <creiht> Could it be because NFSv3 is not supported?
[08-May-2007 18:40:46] <WolfeWLU> LOL.
[08-May-2007 18:41:00] <WolfeWLU> Yeah...yeah. ;-) NFS module is loaded in the kernel and portmap is running.
[08-May-2007 18:41:59] <WolfeWLU> Seems to be a problem across most of our Gentoo boxes.
[08-May-2007 18:42:09] <creiht> Ah there is the problem
[08-May-2007 18:42:26] <WolfeWLU> creiht: Hey now. ;-)
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[08-May-2007 22:27:28] <Snake-Eyes> Any one know why zenoss would stop sending alert emails, I have gone over all settings (test email, alert rules, added to device, etc) ?
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[09-May-2007 00:38:25] <chester01> newbie here. Managed to get everything set up and monitoring but I am not quite getting how to graph interfaces for a Cisco router. Can anyone point me to a resource? The admin guide does not explain the concept of what I need to do.
[09-May-2007 00:39:17] <chester01> I found a few guides but it is all greek. I guess I am looking for a config example or walkthrough which will help me make sense of it all.
[09-May-2007 00:41:03] <chester01> Tried forum searches as well. I did find references but I am not understanding them at all.
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[09-May-2007 03:39:20] <Igbothom_III> http://www.petitiononline.com/PH2JAIL/
[09-May-2007 03:39:20] <Igbothom_III>
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[09-May-2007 09:26:27] <kompressor> hi all...Im about to hit ./install.sh and cross your fingers
[09-May-2007 09:27:00] <seans> I just got through that myself
[09-May-2007 09:27:14] <kompressor> seans, on ubuntu?
[09-May-2007 09:27:22] <seans> Debian Etch
[09-May-2007 09:27:25] <seans> so pretty close
[09-May-2007 09:27:53] <kompressor> actually its an ubuntu derivative...impi
[09-May-2007 09:28:03] <kompressor> seans, ok let me see
[09-May-2007 09:28:07] <seans> the ./install.sh takes quite a long while to run, at least it did on a p3 733
[09-May-2007 09:28:33] <kompressor> X
[09-May-2007 09:30:12] <kompressor> seans, how does zenoss relate to zope?
[09-May-2007 09:31:55] <kompressor>
[09-May-2007 09:32:15] <seans> honestly I couldnt tell you, Ive only heard of Zope
[09-May-2007 09:33:22] <kompressor> ok
[09-May-2007 09:34:08] <kompressor> seans, how many machines are you monitoring
[09-May-2007 09:35:38] <seans> right at the moment I am trying to add a device though the web-management page, eventually there might be up to 90 if it works how we would like it to
[09-May-2007 09:36:28] <kompressor> hmmm
[09-May-2007 09:36:44] <kompressor> in which country are you?
[09-May-2007 09:36:59] <seans> at the moment we are using a system call Spong, its a little dated
[09-May-2007 09:37:02] <seans> US
[09-May-2007 09:37:39] <kompressor> so Spong is running on Debian Etch?
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[09-May-2007 09:39:21] <seans> our spong server might possibly be running Debian sarge
[09-May-2007 09:39:26] <seans> I would have to check
[09-May-2007 09:40:39] <kompressor> i was using nagios until today
[09-May-2007 09:44:48] <seans> that is what our network department uses, and we need to update a bit
[09-May-2007 09:45:47] <kompressor> yah nagios is not bad ...even zenoss uses it..i see here - configuring build/nagios-plugins-1.4.5
[09-May-2007 09:46:08] <seans> I believe they just have support for Nagios plugins
[09-May-2007 09:46:29] <kompressor> yes
[09-May-2007 09:46:49] <kompressor> so what do you use for provisioning
[09-May-2007 09:47:41] <seans> for provisioning? Im not sure I understand
[09-May-2007 09:50:40] <kompressor> for rolling out new installations and so forth
[09-May-2007 09:51:22] <chet> kompressor: Zope is a Python application server. It also includes a persistent object data called ZODB. Zenoss uses Zope for the web interface and ZODB for model data.
[09-May-2007 09:51:22] <kompressor> considering that you have 90 machines..
[09-May-2007 09:52:13] <kompressor> chet, i see...
[09-May-2007 09:52:51] <kompressor> chet, ohhh ...Starting Zope Object Database
[09-May-2007 09:54:17] <chet> yup, it uses three different types of data stores for the three different types of data.
[09-May-2007 09:54:42] <chet> MySQL for events, ZODB for object storage and RRD for time-based performance data.
[09-May-2007 09:54:52] <seans> well honestly we dont do that many new installations, we have to have a pretty high uptime on a majority of our systems, if it works why play with it mentality
[09-May-2007 09:56:55] <kompressor> yah
[09-May-2007 09:57:51] <seans> Before I go looking around myself, does anyone know how one would go about checking running processes on a server with Zenoss? currently with Spong we have to install a client on every system that the Spong server poll for information
[09-May-2007 09:58:47] <chet> seans: Zenoss can poll that via SNMP through the HOST-RESOURCES-MIB for Unix hosts.
[09-May-2007 10:00:42] <kompressor> chet, install was successful but now when i hit ..http:// 192.168.3.10:8080/zport/dmd..page is not found :-(
[09-May-2007 10:01:29] <seans> chet: thank you, I will have to take a look into that, all of our servers are on a Linux platform, I will just have to see how difficult it will be to get snmp up and running on the systems
[09-May-2007 10:01:45] <seans> kompressor: 192.168.3.10 needs to be the IP of the server that this is installed on
[09-May-2007 10:02:02] <kompressor> seans, yes mine is 10.0.0.128
[09-May-2007 10:03:01] <kompressor> should i restart any services?
[09-May-2007 10:04:56] <kompressor>
[09-May-2007 10:05:16] <seans> you should not have to do that, just modify your ulr to look like this http://10.0.0.128:8080
[09-May-2007 10:06:08] <kompressor> seans, thanx you rock
[09-May-2007 10:07:32] <seans> no problem, beyond that I will most likely be pretty pointless, Im totally new to the system myself, I just set it up today on a test box to see how it goes
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[09-May-2007 11:06:22] <kompressor> seans, chet bye everyone...
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[09-May-2007 11:27:55] <toddavi1> I'm getting an "AttributeError: Power" trying to run zenmigrate to go from 1.1.1 to 1.8.1 (RPM install on CentOS 4.4). The last line of the stack trace is: if not dmd.Devices.Power._getOb('zCollectorPlugins',False):
[09-May-2007 11:28:03] <toddavi1> Anyone have an idea on how to fix?
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[09-May-2007 11:35:45] <bzed> toddavi1: I guess you wanna post that on the mailinglist - zenoss-dev@zenoss.org
[09-May-2007 11:37:17] <toddavi1> thx. I will.
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[09-May-2007 11:44:21] <chet> toddavi1: Did you remove the Power device class?
[09-May-2007 11:44:44] <chet> If so, you could simple add it back to make zenmigrate run.
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[09-May-2007 11:59:59] <toddavi1> No, I didn't remove anything. All I've done is follow the directions for the upgrade.
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[09-May-2007 12:21:36] <chet> toddavi1: Try adding a Power device class to the /Devices tree.
[09-May-2007 12:22:15] <toddavi1> That's what I am trying to do. right now, I can't even get it to show the menu drop-downs in order to add it (they were earlier).
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[09-May-2007 13:01:45] <chet> toddavi1: ok, there's an another way to work around it..
[09-May-2007 13:02:02] <chet> Edit $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/migrate/zCollectorPlugins.py
[09-May-2007 13:03:55] <chet> Delete that whole if clause around line 123 that references the Power device class.
[09-May-2007 13:04:04] <chet> Then the migrate should run.
[09-May-2007 13:04:38] <toddavi1> I'll give it a shot.
[09-May-2007 13:15:06] <toddavi1> I had another Attribute error, but after removing that one too, migrate finished. Everything appears to be working now (including the menus). Thanks.
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[09-May-2007 14:22:30] <Bulwinkle> Can anyone tell me how to change the polling for Cisco interfaces? I have an interface that changed state and I want Zenoss to register it
[09-May-2007 14:23:06] <chet> Bulwinkle: The best way to handle that is to set your Cisco devices to trap to your zenoss server.
[09-May-2007 14:23:26] <chet> Zenoss has an SNMP trap handler that will receive the link up/down traps.
[09-May-2007 14:23:30] <Bulwinkle> chet: Is there any other way?
[09-May-2007 14:23:39] <chet> syslog also works.
[09-May-2007 14:24:06] <Bulwinkle> chet: I will trap to the Zenoss server eventually but I want the poller to know about interface state too
[09-May-2007 14:24:37] <chet> You could setup a data sources based on the ifOperStatus OID, then setup a threshold to alert if it went to anything except up.
[09-May-2007 14:25:24] <chet> 1 = up, so the threshold would be setup with a minimum value of 1 and a maximum value of 1
[09-May-2007 14:26:08] <Bulwinkle> That is what we are currently doing in Nagios and we are looking for the same functionality in Zenoss....
[09-May-2007 14:26:19] <chet> Yet another option would be to setup a performance template using the check_ifoperstatus nagios plugin.
[09-May-2007 14:26:52] <Bulwinkle> I see that Zenoss keeps the interface status (O and A), that is what I want to update
[09-May-2007 14:27:24] <chet> Ah.. I think the functionality surrounding that has changed in the latest version. What version are you running?
[09-May-2007 14:27:26] <Bulwinkle> I have an interface that just went up but the O column didn't change from red
[09-May-2007 14:27:30] <Bulwinkle> 1.1.2
[09-May-2007 14:27:31] <Bulwinkle>
[09-May-2007 14:27:38] <Bulwinkle> just upgraded today
[09-May-2007 14:28:03] <chet> You should have a directory like $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/routerName/os/interfaces/interfaceName
[09-May-2007 14:28:19] <Bulwinkle> one sec ...
[09-May-2007 14:28:34] <chet> See if you have a file in there that looks like ifOperStatus....
[09-May-2007 14:30:46] <Bulwinkle> that interface name is missing.....
[09-May-2007 14:31:04] <Bulwinkle> hrm
[09-May-2007 14:31:09] <chet> hmm.. is it a non-ethernet interface?
[09-May-2007 14:32:44] <Bulwinkle> chet: Yes
[09-May-2007 14:33:06] <Bulwinkle> but I see the ethernet interface also
[09-May-2007 14:33:34] <Bulwinkle> chet: I though going in to manage and rescan would fix it but, nope
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[09-May-2007 14:33:44] <chet> That version of Zenoss only has a performance template for ethernet interfaces by default..
[09-May-2007 14:34:16] <chet> Check out this link for setting up performance graphing for serial interfaces: http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2007/005780.html
[09-May-2007 14:34:16] <chet> Assuming it is a serial interface.
[09-May-2007 14:34:22] <Bulwinkle> chet: I created the performance template... it is recording the performance just, not state changes
[09-May-2007 14:34:48] <chet> If it was recording the performance data, there would be a directory there for it to store the rrd files.
[09-May-2007 14:35:09] <chet> Did you create the template recently? Maybe you just need to restart zenperfsnmp for it to pickup the change.
[09-May-2007 14:36:25] <Bulwinkle> chet: I guess what I trying to get at is that the default Router template behavior should check for interface status when it checks for performance?
[09-May-2007 14:36:40] <Bulwinkle> chet: is there a way I can do that for the Cisco template?
[09-May-2007 14:38:34] <Bulwinkle> chet: the fact that the interface is up now and still displays the O as red should be driven by that....
[09-May-2007 14:50:04] <chet> I agree that it should be. It is on the latest beta. I'm trying to figure out if it is in 1.1.2. That's why I was asking about the file in your perf directory.
[09-May-2007 14:50:17] <chet> If that file doesn't exist it means that your zenperfsnmp poller isn't looking for it.
[09-May-2007 14:50:37] <chet> However, if you don't have a directory for that interface at all it would mean that zenperfsnmp isn't polling that interface for any information.
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[09-May-2007 14:54:08] <Bulwinkle> chet: the directory isn't there....
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[09-May-2007 14:54:59] <Bulwinkle> chet: even after I polled the device again (manage -> Collect Configuration)
[09-May-2007 14:55:27] <Bulwinkle> is there another way to repoll the device?
[09-May-2007 14:56:39] <Bulwinkle> chet: when do those subdirectories get created?
[09-May-2007 14:58:44] <chet> oh, they get created when the zenperfsnmp daemon makes a pass. Not by the data collection.
[09-May-2007 14:59:24] <chet> So you do have a performance template called propPointToPointSerial?
[09-May-2007 15:00:09] <Bulwinkle> chet: yeppers
[09-May-2007 15:00:29] <Bulwinkle> chet: how do I kick off the zenperfsnmp?
[09-May-2007 15:04:07] <Bulwinkle> BRB
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[09-May-2007 15:12:05] <Bulwinkle> Back
[09-May-2007 15:12:17] <Bulwinkle> chet: any ideas?
[09-May-2007 15:12:37] <chet> Bulwinkle: Check your About page.. it should already be running. If so, restart it.
[09-May-2007 15:13:25] <Bulwinkle> chet: did that.... how long should it take to update?
[09-May-2007 15:13:37] <chet> Within 5 minutes that directory should exist.
[09-May-2007 15:15:09] <Bulwinkle> chet: so, here is my next question. how can I make it poll the interface status and alert on any change?
[09-May-2007 15:15:50] <chet> The ifOperStatus OID would have to be part of the performance template. Is it?
[09-May-2007 15:17:31] <Bulwinkle> chet: not yet
[09-May-2007 15:17:59] <Bulwinkle> chet: I was thinking about creating a new template in the Cisco Directory to do what I am trying....
[09-May-2007 15:18:56] <Bulwinkle> chet: basically if the ifAdminStatus = 1 and the ifOperStatus has been 2 for 4 polls, then alert.... Is there a way I can do that without graphing it?
[09-May-2007 15:19:36] <Bulwinkle> chet: BTW Still hasn't created the directory for my newly up interface
[09-May-2007 15:19:44] <chet> Yes, create a command type of data source in the template. Use the Nagios check_ifoperstatus plugin to drive it.
[09-May-2007 15:26:06] <Bulwinkle> chet: are the nagios plugins already there?
[09-May-2007 15:26:45] <chet> They should be. You can check under $ZENHOME/libexec
[09-May-2007 15:28:38] <Bulwinkle> chet: some of them are there... I can get the rest in... Do you have a link to how to create the command type you described above?
[09-May-2007 15:30:22] <chet> http://community.zenoss.com/docs/howtos/create-modify-nagios-templates/
[09-May-2007 15:30:22] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[09-May-2007 15:34:48] <Bulwinkle> chet: thanks.....
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[09-May-2007 15:35:30] <Bulwinkle> chet: any ideas why my O hasn't changed from red?
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[09-May-2007 15:57:04] <Bulwinkle> Does anyone know where the list of variables I can pass to A Command Template are?
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[09-May-2007 16:30:02] <Bulwinkle> no one has an idea what arguments I can pass to external commands from Zenoss?
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[09-May-2007 17:20:55] <warthog9> is it possible with Zenoss to have it display say all of the traffic graphs for a switch in a single window (I can see it display the status of all of the ports and what not but I'm not seeing how to do it with the graphs)
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[09-May-2007 17:31:45] <ste1664> anyone got any tips for getting troublesome MIBS to load
[09-May-2007 17:32:34] <ste1664> I want to get all our cisco devices monitored properly and I cant get SNMPv2-TC loaded which seems to be required by every other cisco MIB
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[09-May-2007 18:11:23] <yeled> what zen process spwans data source scripts?
[09-May-2007 18:12:50] <yeled> ah zencommand
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[09-May-2007 19:17:31] <mikeymike> hey
[09-May-2007 19:17:45] <mikeymike> i am having a problem upgrading the vmware image
[09-May-2007 19:19:11] <mikeymike> keeps saying failed to find required troves for update
[09-May-2007 19:21:25] <mikeymike> anyone here?
[09-May-2007 19:51:16] <Snake-Eyes> no idea, never used vmware image
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[09-May-2007 20:35:58] <progma> mikeymike
[09-May-2007 20:36:14] <progma> there is a recent thing while running vmware-config.pl
[09-May-2007 20:36:22] <progma> where it craps out and says it can't compile the module
[09-May-2007 20:36:34] <progma> it's not that is it
[09-May-2007 20:36:43] <progma> i had to do that when going to rhel5
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[09-May-2007 20:42:58] <progma> oh duh
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[09-May-2007 20:47:27] <Snake-Eyes> progma, dont you love how they dont bother to hang around it they dont there answer right away
[09-May-2007 20:49:09] <Snake-Eyes> I really dont get how my alert emails were working and now they have stopped, ive gone over everything with no luck ;(
[09-May-2007 20:54:11] <progma> does email work otherwise
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[09-May-2007 23:18:20] <yeled> can i take multiple nagios/script output values and automagically make lines on graphs for them?
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[09-May-2007 23:21:53] <yeled> ah
[09-May-2007 23:21:56] <yeled> multiple data sources
[09-May-2007 23:24:26] <yeled> balls
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[10-May-2007 01:15:33] <yeled> hm
[10-May-2007 01:15:36] <yeled> after upgrade
[10-May-2007 01:15:39] <yeled> well..
[10-May-2007 01:15:45] <yeled> port 8080 just hangs
[10-May-2007 01:37:04] <yeled> ah ok
[10-May-2007 01:37:06] <yeled> now..
[10-May-2007 01:37:19] <yeled> i've lost an id on one of my devices
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[10-May-2007 03:57:40] <kompressor> lo all
[10-May-2007 03:57:59] <kompressor> im having a problem with installing exim4...
[10-May-2007 03:58:40] <kompressor> it is having some dependecies and it doesnt get resolve...anyone ever came across such?
[10-May-2007 03:59:58] <kompressor> :-(
[10-May-2007 04:05:51] <kompressor> hmm...i found out i had to put debian repo to solve it
[10-May-2007 04:05:54] <kompressor>
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[10-May-2007 07:35:50] <Polak> Hi
[10-May-2007 07:36:10] <Polak> Someone to help me ?
[10-May-2007 07:38:15] <Polak> I'm trying Zenoss 2 beta and i can see in my dashbord some events
[10-May-2007 07:38:39] <Polak> but when i click in events section i see nothing
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[10-May-2007 08:03:09] <qubix_> Polak: did you look into the history?
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[10-May-2007 08:22:05] <Polak> yes
[10-May-2007 08:22:09] <Polak> i have nothing
[10-May-2007 08:22:27] <Polak> i have this problem since i have upgrade zenoss 1.1.2 to 1.9.5
[10-May-2007 08:30:38] <Polak> i receive trap but i didn't see it
[10-May-2007 08:31:12] <Bulwinkle> Does anyone have a list of variables I can pass to external applications (Nagios plugins for example)?
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[10-May-2007 09:20:03] <qubix_> Polak: maybe you have a faulty events table in mysql - is there anything in the logs vor the zen services, especially zenevents.log? maybe it helps to re-setup a fresh mysql table: just drop it and then do a "$ZENHOME/bin/zeneventbuild $MYSQLUSER $MYSQLPASS $MYSQLEVENTDB" (and obviously substitute the variables with your values)
[10-May-2007 09:23:51] <Polak> thanks
[10-May-2007 09:23:59] <Polak> i'm trying
[10-May-2007 09:29:47] <Bulwinkle> Does anyone have a list of variables I can pass to external applications (Nagios plugins for example)?
[10-May-2007 09:43:15] <Polak> no sorry
[10-May-2007 09:43:28] <RobGault> Can anyone tell me, does Zenoss come with any Mibs defined or do I need to add them?
[10-May-2007 09:43:44] <Polak> you need add them
[10-May-2007 09:43:53] <Polak> connect you with zenoss user
[10-May-2007 09:44:07] <Polak> and then do zenmin run mibfile
[10-May-2007 09:44:12] <Polak> zenmib*
[10-May-2007 09:44:33] <chet> Bulwinkle: There isn't a documented set of variables, but you do have access to the device object "dev" and the context "context"
[10-May-2007 09:44:44] <chet> Bulwinkle: Oops.. the context variable is actually called "here"
[10-May-2007 09:44:59] <RobGault> That's a relief I thought I was going to have to manually add every OID. Thank you
[10-May-2007 09:45:07] <chet> Bulwinkle: Are you looking for something in particular?
[10-May-2007 09:45:41] <Bulwinkle> chet: I need to pass three variables to the ifoperstatus nagios plugin.... the community, the OID of the interface and and the hostname (IP)
[10-May-2007 09:48:45] <J-Bob> chet: what up? (BobJ) here =)
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[10-May-2007 09:52:04] <chet> Hi Bob. Sneaking in some Zenoss time. Did you get that report settled?
[10-May-2007 09:52:30] <J-Bob> chet: yup..ECN wrote it for me. That was a bear
[10-May-2007 09:52:58] <J-Bob> chet: Thx for all the zenusers love
[10-May-2007 09:54:30] <chet> Bulwinkle: ok, that should be easy enough.. try something like this..
[10-May-2007 09:55:36] <chet> Bulwinkle: check_ifoperstatus -H ${dev/manageIp} -C ${dev/zSnmpCommunity} -k ${here/ifindex}
[10-May-2007 09:58:51] <Bulwinkle> chet: awesome! that is what I was looking for... how to get the script running on all "Monitored interfaces" interfaces?
[10-May-2007 10:00:40] <chet> To have it run on all ethernet type interfaces, you'd add the data source to the ethernetCsmacd template in the root of /Devices.
[10-May-2007 10:00:54] <chet> For serial interfaces you'd add it to the propPointToPointSerial.. etc.
[10-May-2007 10:01:01] <chet> The type of interface is the key to the naming of the template.
[10-May-2007 10:01:01] <Bulwinkle> gotcha....
[10-May-2007 10:01:45] <chet> fyi, this still won't update your red and green dots, but it will get you alerting on up/down.
[10-May-2007 10:02:46] <Bulwinkle> chet: one thing at a time
[10-May-2007 10:03:16] <Bulwinkle> chet: how about filling out the Data Source template... I'm kind of iffy on some of the fields
[10-May-2007 10:03:27] <chet> The dots get updated in the automated modelling cycle.. every 12 hours.
[10-May-2007 10:03:51] <Bulwinkle> chet: ah excellent... no way to change that?
[10-May-2007 10:04:13] <chet> You can change the frequency of the modeling passes, but they are very resource intensive so I recommend against it.
[10-May-2007 10:04:33] <chet> The interface O/A dots will be handled better (how you want it) in 2.0.
[10-May-2007 10:04:49] <chet> So the easiest thing would be to wait for a month and have it done for you.
[10-May-2007 10:05:04] <Bulwinkle> chet: I named my Data Source ifStatus..... (I'll wait for the dots )
[10-May-2007 10:05:14] <Bulwinkle> Source type: COMMAND
[10-May-2007 10:05:17] <kompressor> chet, hi...great to see that ldap authentication is in the 2.1 milestone hey
[10-May-2007 10:05:19] <Bulwinkle> Enabled : TRUE (DUH)
[10-May-2007 10:05:49] <Bulwinkle> Use SSH: no
[10-May-2007 10:06:01] <Bulwinkle> what exactly is "Component?"
[10-May-2007 10:06:27] <kompressor> is there a way to report a bug directly from the web interface?
[10-May-2007 10:06:35] <kompressor> :-|
[10-May-2007 10:06:50] <chet> kompressor: Login to trac as zenoss/zenoss and create a new ticket.
[10-May-2007 10:07:13] <chet> Bulwinkle: Component is what shows up in the "Component" field of events this data source generates.
[10-May-2007 10:07:23] <kompressor> chet, ive created a username already
[10-May-2007 10:07:24] <chet> Bulwinkle: Just stick "interface" in there.
[10-May-2007 10:07:49] <kompressor> chet, but i think that should just be a wish ...what do you think?
[10-May-2007 10:08:05] <chet> kompressor: Ah, no way to report the bug from your Zenoss console. Go to http://dev.zenoss.org/trac
[10-May-2007 10:08:05] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[10-May-2007 10:08:10] <Bulwinkle> chet: how about the Event Class?
[10-May-2007 10:08:33] <Bulwinkle> I did read the documentation on this but those three weren't very clear
[10-May-2007 10:08:50] <Bulwinkle> ( those two and Event Key)
[10-May-2007 10:09:15] <chet> Bulwinkle: The event class can be important when building your event mappings. I'd suggest creating an event class like /Net/Link and using that.
[10-May-2007 10:09:58] <Bulwinkle> chet: do I do that in Add event?
[10-May-2007 10:10:01] <chet> Event class and key are a bit complicated. Like I said, they are used for event mapping, auto-clearing of events, etc.
[10-May-2007 10:10:57] <chet> I think you need to go to Events then the Classes tab. Add a new class called Net, go into it, add a class in Net of Link..
[10-May-2007 10:12:52] <Bulwinkle> chet: There is already a /net/link
[10-May-2007 10:13:04] <Bulwinkle> WHat do I use the Event Key for?
[10-May-2007 10:14:58] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: Event Key is used primarily in event mappings for de-duplicating and for doing matches for event suppression or modification
[10-May-2007 10:15:44] <Bulwinkle> So, something unique?
[10-May-2007 10:19:21] <Bulwinkle> j-bob: so it can be anything?
[10-May-2007 10:19:41] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: he..he..you got me there...I would have to check for ya
[10-May-2007 10:23:13] <Bulwinkle> chet: Do you have a good suggestion for The Event Key?
[10-May-2007 10:25:04] <chet> I suggest you leave it blank until you know how you want to map the generated events.
[10-May-2007 10:25:15] <chet> You can always change it later.
[10-May-2007 10:25:35] <Bulwinkle> chet: I guess I'm ready to enable it then
[10-May-2007 10:26:29] <Bulwinkle> chet: anyway to get a poll to kick off?
[10-May-2007 10:26:35] <chet> Once you enable it, you can run "zencommand run -v 10 --device=yourDevice" from the command line as the zenoss user to get some good debugging output of what's going on.
[10-May-2007 10:27:24] <chet> Once you're happy with what it's doing, you can restart the zencommand daemon to make sure it gets the configuration immediately.
[10-May-2007 10:29:55] <Bulwinkle> chet: okay... it ran but I can't understand any of the output... Let me look at it some more
[10-May-2007 10:30:17] <chet> I'm quite sure you can understand the output.. you just haven't yet.
[10-May-2007 10:30:54] <Bulwinkle> chet: I don't see any referenced to the host I entered... just the server zenoss is running on
[10-May-2007 10:31:13] <kompressor> chet, i just created a ticket, a feature request actually
[10-May-2007 10:32:15] <kompressor> chet, what's the best place for one to read and familiarize with zen infrastructure and the entire zenoss concepts and development
[10-May-2007 10:34:18] <chet> Start with this picture: http://www.zenoss.com/images/product/prod_arch_big.jpg
[10-May-2007 10:34:18] <chet> Although some portions of it are a bit outdated.
[10-May-2007 10:34:21] <chet> Then read the admin guide.
[10-May-2007 10:34:25] <kompressor> ok
[10-May-2007 10:34:27] <chet> Then read the source code.
[10-May-2007 10:34:56] <kompressor> chet, isnt there a pdf version of the admin guide?
[10-May-2007 10:35:05] <chet> Yes, there is.
[10-May-2007 10:35:31] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: got some clarification. You can use or not use event class key when you set up an event. It can be unique or the same if you do similar events. It is basically a match field for mapping events later
[10-May-2007 10:35:49] <kompressor> where to get it
[10-May-2007 10:36:17] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: thanks... guess I'll fill it out when I need to do reporting and whatnot later....
[10-May-2007 10:36:47] <J-Bob> kompressor: http://community.zenoss.com/community/docs/zenoss-guide
[10-May-2007 10:36:47] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[10-May-2007 10:37:31] <Polak> Anyone can tell me why i don't see any events in this section
[10-May-2007 10:37:37] <Polak> ?
[10-May-2007 10:37:52] <Polak> i recceive snmp traps and my dashboard notify me
[10-May-2007 10:38:17] <Bulwinkle> chet: do I need to do something to get notifications if an interface is down?
[10-May-2007 10:38:19] <kompressor> J-Bob, isnt that the admin guide? I have downloaded the Quick Start guide already...but its quite basic...i wish to download a more compresive one
[10-May-2007 10:38:59] <kompressor>
[10-May-2007 10:40:01] <ricko73> yeah documentation is somewhat lacking
[10-May-2007 10:40:10] <ricko73> hopefully it will catch up to the features
[10-May-2007 10:40:53] <chet> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/ZenossAdminGuide-1.1.pdf?modtime=1177365591&big_mirror=0
[10-May-2007 10:42:28] <kompressor> chet, dankie houer
[10-May-2007 10:46:51] <jivey32> ricko73: Yeah, as a newb, I've found this to be the case as well. HUGE learning curve coming into this.
[10-May-2007 10:47:32] <kompressor> jivey32, you're right
[10-May-2007 10:47:43] <kompressor> but i think it will get better
[10-May-2007 10:48:01] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'm getting notifications of "misuse of shell builtins"
[10-May-2007 10:48:10] <kompressor> chet, how many developers currently contribute ?
[10-May-2007 10:50:14] <Bulwinkle> chet: now this is a problem.....
[10-May-2007 10:52:57] <chet> Bulwinkle: Hmm.. have you tried running the expected command from the command line to verify that it returns what you'd expect?
[10-May-2007 10:53:16] <chet> kompressor: I don't know.
[10-May-2007 10:53:58] <Bulwinkle> chet: yes, it runs okay but it returns OK: Interface Serial1/1:0 (index XX) is up. Where do I change what is expected?
[10-May-2007 10:54:27] <kompressor> ill definitely do testing and documentation as a start and maybe later help with ldap authentication
[10-May-2007 10:54:56] <chet> Bulwinkle: Zenoss is concerned about the return code, not the text in this case. You don't have to worry about that.
[10-May-2007 10:55:42] <Bulwinkle> chet: how do I run the command through zenoss and see what code it being returned?
[10-May-2007 10:55:50] <chet> Bulwinkle: Let me try this on my system to see if I can figure out why you'd get that misuse error.
[10-May-2007 10:56:05] <Bulwinkle> chet: do you need me to send you anything?
[10-May-2007 10:56:33] <chet> Not at the moment.
[10-May-2007 10:56:37] <Bulwinkle> I don't have any performance data, is that correct?
[10-May-2007 10:57:00] <chet> Right.. check_ifoperstatus doesn't return any performance data.
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[10-May-2007 11:09:25] <chet> ok, that seemed to work for me. When you did the "zencommand -v 10 --device=blah" did it show you the command line that it was trying to run?
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[10-May-2007 11:13:07] <Bulwinkle> chet: Where should I post my output?
[10-May-2007 11:15:35] <chet> Try pastebin.mozilla.org
[10-May-2007 11:16:48] <Bulwinkle> chet: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/50080
[10-May-2007 11:16:48] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[10-May-2007 11:18:59] <chet> It looks like it isn't even using your template. What is the name of your template?
[10-May-2007 11:20:13] <Bulwinkle> chet: ifStatus
[10-May-2007 11:20:30] <chet> Ah ha!
[10-May-2007 11:20:39] <Bulwinkle> chet: propPointToPointSerial
[10-May-2007 11:20:45] <chet> aww..
[10-May-2007 11:21:04] <chet> Template is named propPointToPointSerial and data source is named ifStatus?
[10-May-2007 11:21:11] <Bulwinkle> Yes
[10-May-2007 11:22:44] <chet> You device is named SUTower-7206?
[10-May-2007 11:22:52] <Bulwinkle> chet: yes
[10-May-2007 11:23:01] <Bulwinkle> chet: a 7206 Cisco Router
[10-May-2007 11:23:17] <chet> hmm.. try this.
[10-May-2007 11:23:30] <chet> rm $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/SUTower-7206/config.pickle
[10-May-2007 11:23:37] <chet> Then run that zencommand command again.
[10-May-2007 11:25:49] <Bulwinkle> I should be using the FQDN , that is how everything is in zenoss
[10-May-2007 11:26:30] <Bulwinkle> that would help
[10-May-2007 11:26:36] <Bulwinkle> let me pastebin again
[10-May-2007 11:27:39] <Bulwinkle> okay...
[10-May-2007 11:32:05] <Bulwinkle> sorry, work, back
[10-May-2007 11:33:33] <Bulwinkle> chet: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/50096
[10-May-2007 11:33:33] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[10-May-2007 11:36:24] <chet> ok, that looks good. Events should have been generated. You can now map these however you want.
[10-May-2007 11:39:06] <Bulwinkle> chet: so the up down status in the /NET/LINK Event I need to change the Regex?
[10-May-2007 11:40:16] <chet> Yeah. I doubt that you care about admin down events. So you'd build an event mapping for that and set its action to discard.
[10-May-2007 11:41:15] <chet> Bad terminology there.. you'd set the event mapping's zEventAction to drop.
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[10-May-2007 11:43:25] <Bulwinkle> chet: so in eventclass Mappings I need to create a new one to deal with the results returned by the check_ifoperstatus plugin
[10-May-2007 11:46:21] <chet> Yeah. The easiest way to do this is usually to find the event in the event list, check it, choose the event class at the bottom, then click Map. It will fill out some of the mapping information for you.
[10-May-2007 11:46:47] <Bulwinkle> chet: and how do I deal only with CHANGES of the interface status as far as notification is concerned?
[10-May-2007 11:49:49] <Bulwinkle> chet: any docs on how to build the Regex?
[10-May-2007 12:02:40] <Bulwinkle> chet: yeah, that map button still isn't working because I still have the: Misuse of Shell builtins
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[10-May-2007 12:17:12] <ed___> Wow, so many of you... and I thought it'd be a couple of people here
[10-May-2007 12:17:42] <Bulwinkle> ed___: Zenoss is becoming popular
[10-May-2007 12:18:10] <ed___> Anyhow, been reading the ZenAgent stuff and disclosure - I work for www.413technologies.co.uk - so know the agent/agentless redux rather well, I'm here to learn why you think deploying an agent is 'value'
[10-May-2007 12:19:03] <ed___> agents are good for offline /poor connectivity - is that the segment of users with those use cases asking for agents or are others and what are their reasons?
[10-May-2007 12:20:06] <ed___> BTW nice move getting Zenwin ported
[10-May-2007 12:24:02] <Polak> Someone use Zenoss beta 1.9 ?
[10-May-2007 12:24:38] <ed___> Oh well, no immediate answers then - perhaps something to post to the Zenoss blog to help raise visibility on your efforts in this direction and why you're bothering.
[10-May-2007 12:27:20] <ed___> Another tip for you - ZenPacks are great but... you want to create the same capability for reports - so you have a ITIL, CoBIT themed report suite - get those going and people can then more easily understand the business value and how to mix the Zenoss proposition into the IT operations management - it might sound obvious but my experience thus far is that everyone wants reports and each one...
[10-May-2007 12:27:21] <ed___> ...wants something slightly different - Report packs will help solve those user challenges and further improve your proposition - all the best!
[10-May-2007 12:27:23] <ed___> TTFN
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[10-May-2007 12:48:20] <yeled> i've lost an "id" for a device. meaning i cant delete and re-add
[10-May-2007 12:48:37] <yeled> Type: AttributeError
[10-May-2007 12:48:38] <yeled> Value: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'id'
[10-May-2007 12:51:34] <yeled> woot
[10-May-2007 12:51:34] <yeled> >>> reindex()
[10-May-2007 12:51:38] <yeled> man
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[10-May-2007 12:52:48] <israelalvarez> hello - is this the right place to ask an installation question?
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[10-May-2007 12:53:55] <J-Bob> israelalvarez: ask away..we can try =)
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[10-May-2007 12:54:06] <israelalvarez> great thanks
[10-May-2007 12:54:51] <israelalvarez> I've downloaded and built all the dependencies I need (under Suse ), created the zenoss user, etc.
[10-May-2007 12:55:07] <israelalvarez> running install.sh as zenoss, I get the following error:
[10-May-2007 12:55:44] <israelalvarez> zenoss gmake: *** [mysql-python-install] Error 1
[10-May-2007 12:56:02] <Bulwinkle> chet: you still around?
[10-May-2007 12:56:36] <israelalvarez> looking in zenbuild.log I see the following:
[10-May-2007 12:56:54] <israelalvarez> gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fPIC -I/usr/local/include/mysql -I/usr/local/include/python2.3 -c _mysql.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-2.3/_mysql.o -I/usr/local/include/mysql
[10-May-2007 12:57:09] <israelalvarez> error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
[10-May-2007 12:57:27] <yeled> we'll need more than that
[10-May-2007 12:57:32] <yeled> use a pastebin
[10-May-2007 12:57:50] <israelalvarez> thing is, I've looked in /usr/local/lib/mysql and I see libmysqlclient
[10-May-2007 12:58:24] <yeled> what platform?
[10-May-2007 12:58:52] <israelalvarez> suse
[10-May-2007 12:59:00] <israelalvarez> how much of the log should I attach?
[10-May-2007 12:59:29] <israelalvarez> just the python_mysql section
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[10-May-2007 13:13:45] <israelalvarez> ok sorry about that - had a repair tech come in
[10-May-2007 13:13:58] <israelalvarez> past is at http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1194365965
[10-May-2007 13:13:58] <adytum-bot> Title: CakeBin : Pastes (at bin.cakephp.org)
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[10-May-2007 13:39:30] <RobGault> can anyone tell me if Trunk is 1.9 (2 beta)?
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[10-May-2007 16:12:37] <Polak> Hi
[10-May-2007 16:12:47] <Polak> someone to help me ?
[10-May-2007 16:13:24] <Polak> i meet an error whit zentrap since i used Zenoss 1.9
[10-May-2007 16:13:40] <Polak> i did'nt receive traps of my network deveices
[10-May-2007 16:14:51] <Polak> 2007-05-10 20:59:25 ERROR zen.ZenTrap: 'dict' object has no attribute 'manager'
[10-May-2007 16:14:52] <Polak> Traceback (most recent call last):
[10-May-2007 16:14:52] <Polak> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/EventServer.py", line 99, in run
[10-May-2007 16:14:52] <Polak> self.doHandleRequest(*args)
[10-May-2007 16:14:52] <Polak> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/zentrap.py", line 174, in doHandleRequest
[10-May-2007 16:14:52] <Polak> self.sendEvent(result)
[10-May-2007 16:14:54] <Polak> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/EventServer.py", line 113, in sendEvent
[10-May-2007 16:14:56] <Polak> evt.manager = self.myfqdn
[10-May-2007 16:14:58] <Polak> AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'manager'
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[10-May-2007 16:25:13] <chet> Polak: I got that too.. let me dig up the solution for you.
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[10-May-2007 16:32:48] <chet> Polak: Still around?
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[10-May-2007 17:36:47] <foo> Hm, can zenoss do all that nagios can do + more?
[10-May-2007 17:45:40] <bzed> foo: don't compare it with nagios, compare it with products from IBM and others. nagios is ok to monitor your home, nothign more
[10-May-2007 17:47:20] <foo> bzed: uh, what are you talking about? Nagios is used in a ton of large scale corporate monitoring solutions. I know several people who use it in large corporations. I've seen zenoss in person, web interface, graphs... it's all real nice, and I'm thinking about moving. Going to test it out soon. I know it works with nagios plugins, plus nrpe + nsca (I've been told by a rep). But, I didn't know if there is something nagios can do that zenoss can't. I ...
[10-May-2007 17:47:26] <foo> ... probably just need to test it out and get my hands on it. It's on to do list.
[10-May-2007 17:48:05] <bzed> definitely, do it
[10-May-2007 17:48:17] <bzed> and yes, I know that large corporations use nagios, and I can't understand it
[10-May-2007 17:48:34] <bzed> there're better tools then nagios
[10-May-2007 17:49:15] <bzed> i know that one huge flight company is maintaining their nagios configuration in a huge excel sheet O_o
[10-May-2007 17:49:21] <foo> ah, I see. Yeah. Hopefully zenoss can do the trick, need to test it
[10-May-2007 17:49:26] <foo> Buahaha.
[10-May-2007 17:49:45] <foo> Well, nagios (I think) has been around for a while, and runs on linux ... sometimes you need to work with what is available.
[10-May-2007 17:49:50] <foo> (I think, anyways)
[10-May-2007 17:50:10] <bzed> yeah, nagios exists for a long time now
[10-May-2007 17:50:48] <foo> I have a zenoss hat So I hope it gets what I need done
[10-May-2007 17:50:52] <foo> Thanks bzed
[10-May-2007 17:51:30] <bzed> you wanna try the new beta
[10-May-2007 17:51:37] <bzed> if you're not in a hurry
[10-May-2007 17:51:55] <foo> Hm, kind of am, and I just need something that works. Hopefully the upgrade process won't be too painful
[10-May-2007 17:52:21] <foo> Beta got some cool stuff or something?
[10-May-2007 17:52:27] <bzed> yeah
[10-May-2007 17:52:29] <bzed> lot of new updates
[10-May-2007 17:52:33] <foo> hm /me checks changelog
[10-May-2007 17:52:39] <bzed> and a big move towards distributed monitoring
[10-May-2007 17:52:49] <bzed> and if you need to monitor windows machines, go with it
[10-May-2007 17:53:15] <bzed> but the beta is still beta, I'd not use it in production yet
[10-May-2007 17:53:39] <foo> Yeah, I probably won't use that
[10-May-2007 17:53:44] <foo> Hm, yeah, one windows machine
[10-May-2007 17:53:49] <foo> Mhmm, you're a debian person. Nice
[10-May-2007 17:57:33] <chet> Zenoss > Nagios+5 years of customizations
[10-May-2007 17:57:41] <chet> IMHO.
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[10-May-2007 17:58:17] <foo> Ah! Hit and run!
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[10-May-2007 18:21:50] <foo> Hm, the zenoss INSTALL.txt needs to tell me to install patch
[10-May-2007 18:24:54] * foo installs the deps
[10-May-2007 18:45:10] <bzed> foo: for a try you could use the vmware image
[10-May-2007 18:45:22] <bzed> foo: in case you're using debian, I have a howto for that avaiable
[10-May-2007 18:54:46] <foo> bzed: ubuntu, close enough. And I'm installing it in my VM.
[10-May-2007 18:54:48] <foo> It's going now
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[10-May-2007 18:55:38] <bzed> foo: if you run into trouble because of python 2.5 use 2.4 instead
[10-May-2007 18:55:52] <bzed> foo: and we're working on debian and ubuntu packages at the moment
[10-May-2007 18:56:11] <foo> oh, nice
[10-May-2007 18:56:13] <foo> Where are you located?
[10-May-2007 18:56:58] <bzed> we want to have them ready with the 2.0 release, but I'm not sure if we manage to do so. the "we" I'm talking about is the debian zenoss packaging team, and we're across europe
[10-May-2007 18:57:05] <foo> Nice
[10-May-2007 18:57:12] <foo> You guys were down for SCALE in Southern California few months ago
[10-May-2007 18:58:14] <bzed> ah, we have nothign to do with the zenoss company, they're our upstream only
[10-May-2007 18:58:21] <foo> ahh
[10-May-2007 18:58:23] <bzed> and we fill their bugtracker
[10-May-2007 18:58:27] <foo> I see
[10-May-2007 18:59:17] <bzed> ok
[10-May-2007 18:59:23] <bzed> time for bed, 1am...
[10-May-2007 18:59:23] <bzed> n8
[10-May-2007 18:59:27] <foo> unpacking winexe-0.7 in build/
[10-May-2007 18:59:27] <foo> configuring winexe-install
[10-May-2007 18:59:29] <foo> mhmm
[10-May-2007 18:59:31] <foo> ohh, night!
[10-May-2007 18:59:35] <foo> Thanks for the help bzed !
[10-May-2007 19:01:14] <bzed> have fun, building winexe takes 5 minutes on a fast machine
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[10-May-2007 20:55:34] <WolfeWLU> Does anyone know if Zenoss plans to put together a place on the community site for contributing ZenPacks?
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[10-May-2007 21:48:00] <J-Bob> WolfeWLU: If not, we need to =)
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[10-May-2007 22:16:33] <WolfeWLU> J-Bob: Absolutely. :-)
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[11-May-2007 02:22:16] <Polak> 2007-05-10 19:59:03 ERROR zen.ZenTrap: 'dict' object has no attribute 'manager'
[11-May-2007 02:22:16] <Polak> Traceback (most recent call last):
[11-May-2007 02:22:16] <Polak> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/EventServer.py", line 99, in run
[11-May-2007 02:22:16] <Polak> self.doHandleRequest(*args)
[11-May-2007 02:22:16] <Polak> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/zentrap.py", line 174, in doHandleRequest
[11-May-2007 02:22:17] <Polak> self.sendEvent(result)
[11-May-2007 02:22:19] <Polak> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/EventServer.py", line 113, in sendEvent
[11-May-2007 02:22:21] <Polak> evt.manager = self.myfqdn
[11-May-2007 02:22:23] <Polak> AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'manager'
[11-May-2007 02:22:28] <Polak> anyone knows this error ?
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[11-May-2007 05:28:45] <kompressor> does anyone know how long it takes to "Collect Configuration" of one device?
[11-May-2007 05:30:40] <kompressor>
[11-May-2007 05:30:53] <kompressor> seans, hi
[11-May-2007 05:31:13] <kompressor> seans, hows your zenoss doing?
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[11-May-2007 06:02:20] <iuso> hi, can anyone help me add a network throughput monitor perfconf to the linux server template=
[11-May-2007 06:02:23] <iuso> ?
[11-May-2007 06:14:55] <iuso> hmm, disregard that
[11-May-2007 07:51:32] <kompressor> zenoss Collect Configuration hangs...anyone know why?
[11-May-2007 07:54:39] <kompressor>
[11-May-2007 07:55:17] <J-Bob> kompressor: define "hangs"
[11-May-2007 07:56:01] <kompressor> J-Bob, oh it just says reading 10.0.0.128 on the status bar for the past 2 hours
[11-May-2007 07:56:10] <kompressor> and no info seems to be collected
[11-May-2007 07:56:26] <J-Bob> yikes...this is for a device you can snmpwalk with no problem?
[11-May-2007 07:56:44] <kompressor> no i was trying it with ssh
[11-May-2007 07:59:05] <kompressor> J-Bob, i changed the zProperties
[11-May-2007 07:59:38] <J-Bob> What do you have listed in zCollectorIgnorePlugins?
[11-May-2007 08:00:42] <J-Bob> On our demo instance, we monitor a box with ssh and here is what we have in zCollectorIgnorePlugins > snmp|portscan
[11-May-2007 08:01:04] <kompressor> snmp|portscan
[11-May-2007 08:02:04] <J-Bob> & your zCommandProtocol is ssh? and your zTransportPreference is command?
[11-May-2007 08:03:06] <kompressor> zTransportPreference is ssh
[11-May-2007 08:03:19] <kompressor> zCommandProtocol...checking quickly
[11-May-2007 08:04:40] <kompressor> eish now its freezing and waitning
[11-May-2007 08:06:00] <kompressor> oh zenoss is not running
[11-May-2007 08:08:07] <J-Bob> Doh
[11-May-2007 08:11:44] <kompressor> hmm. i think something else is wrong ...started it and login page does not show
[11-May-2007 08:13:50] <J-Bob> as zenoss if you run zenstatus, what do you get?
[11-May-2007 08:13:55] <J-Bob> from CLI
[11-May-2007 08:15:10] <kompressor> i get program running; pid=1103
[11-May-2007 08:15:51] <kompressor> i just cleared the browser cache as well
[11-May-2007 08:18:18] <kompressor> this is from netstat
[11-May-2007 08:18:21] <kompressor> tcp 0 0 10.0.0.128:8080 10.0.0.103:42048 ESTABLISHED26423/python2.4
[11-May-2007 08:18:26] <J-Bob> sorry I meant zenoss status
[11-May-2007 08:18:40] <J-Bob> That should list all the daemons
[11-May-2007 08:18:42] <kompressor> yes the zenoss is running
[11-May-2007 08:19:11] <kompressor> meaning other daemons are not started?
[11-May-2007 08:20:40] <J-Bob> If you run zenoss status, it should list all the daemons and whether they are all running. If the GUI won't come up, then zopectl is probably not running.
[11-May-2007 08:21:10] <J-Bob> [zenoss@zenoss ~]$ zenoss status
[11-May-2007 08:21:10] <J-Bob> Daemon: zeoctl program running; pid=19445
[11-May-2007 08:21:10] <J-Bob> Daemon: zopectl program running; pid=19449
[11-May-2007 08:21:10] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenxevent program running; pid=19454
[11-May-2007 08:21:10] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenmodeler program running; pid=19463
[11-May-2007 08:21:11] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenperfsnmp program running; pid=19500
[11-May-2007 08:21:13] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenperfxmlrpc program running; pid=19510
[11-May-2007 08:21:15] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenprocess program running; pid=19536
[11-May-2007 08:21:17] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenping program running; pid=19599
[11-May-2007 08:21:19] <J-Bob> Daemon: zensyslog program running; pid=19636
[11-May-2007 08:21:21] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenstatus program running; pid=19664
[11-May-2007 08:21:25] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenactions program running; pid=19694
[11-May-2007 08:21:27] <J-Bob> Daemon: zentrap program running; pid=19731
[11-May-2007 08:21:29] <J-Bob> Daemon: zencommand program running; pid=19781
[11-May-2007 08:21:57] <kompressor> ohh..only two are running
[11-May-2007 08:24:04] <J-Bob> You could try service zenoss stop, then kill the straglers, then restart zenoss
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[11-May-2007 08:51:52] <kompressor> no cmd, snmp or portscan found for device during configuration collection....but all daemons are running :-(
[11-May-2007 08:57:15] <kompressor> :-)
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[11-May-2007 09:35:35] <SeJo> is there a reason why the latest version of zenos isn't released for rhel4 ?
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[11-May-2007 09:51:17] <kompressor> J-Bob, no cmd, snmp or portscan found for device during configuration collection....but all daemons are running :-(
[11-May-2007 09:51:29] <kompressor> sorry to jump on you
[11-May-2007 09:55:57] <kompressor> :-|
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[11-May-2007 10:01:53] <J-Bob> kompressor: Normally for non-SNMP monitoring, you have to set up the monitoring plugins. I'm not sure collect configuration does anything in that case. I think you have to set up all the monitoring stuff manually.
[11-May-2007 10:02:04] <J-Bob> kompressor: I can give you some tips on that
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[11-May-2007 10:10:32] <kompressor> J-Bob, hmm thats interesting...
[11-May-2007 10:11:56] <kompressor> J-Bob, pray advice
[11-May-2007 10:18:46] <kompressor> :-)
[11-May-2007 10:26:08] <kompressor> J-Bob, do i have to run python setup.py install ?
[11-May-2007 10:29:32] <chet> kompressor: To install Zenoss? From source?
[11-May-2007 10:29:57] <kompressor> chet, no...to install plugins manually
[11-May-2007 10:31:33] <chet> Did they not automatically install into $ZENHOME/libexec for you?
[11-May-2007 10:32:15] <kompressor> chet, yes that is the case because collect configuration does not work
[11-May-2007 10:33:10] <chet> Those plugins are not actually used for collecting configuration. They are only used for status and performance monitoring.
[11-May-2007 10:33:38] <chet> Collecting configuration from a system can be done without SNMP, but it sure is a hekuva lot easier with SNMP.
[11-May-2007 10:33:54] <chet> What kind of system are you trying to collect?
[11-May-2007 10:34:36] <kompressor> its a vmware machine running impi/ubuntu linux and a laptop running ubuntu feisty
[11-May-2007 10:35:29] <chet> I came into the conversation late.. why do you not want to use SNMP?
[11-May-2007 10:35:51] <kompressor> i was trying to use ssh not snmp
[11-May-2007 10:36:14] <kompressor> $ZENHOME/libexe does contain a lot of check_* executables
[11-May-2007 10:37:10] <J-Bob> kompressor: For the systems I have set up for ssh monitoring, I didn't do a collect config. I just changed the transport and set up the collection plugins manually. I have even had some clients turn on snmp, model the device, then turn it off and set up the ssh plugins
[11-May-2007 10:40:54] <kompressor> hmm
[11-May-2007 10:41:10] <chet> kompressor: Did you already setup public key authentication from your zenoss system to the systems you want to monitor?
[11-May-2007 10:41:45] <kompressor> chet, no i havent...how do that?
[11-May-2007 10:42:37] <chet> Change to the zenoss user on your zenoss server and run "ssh-keygen -t rsa" to create the public/private key pair. Don't put a password on the key.
[11-May-2007 10:43:29] <kompressor> chet, done
[11-May-2007 10:44:04] <chet> Go to the zProperties for the /Device class.
[11-May-2007 10:44:15] <chet> Make sure the zKeyPath = ~/.ssh/id_rsa
[11-May-2007 10:45:22] <kompressor> ohh mine was set to dsa
[11-May-2007 10:45:43] <kompressor> let me see
[11-May-2007 10:46:13] <chet> We're not nearly done yet. =} Go ahead and change it to rsa..
[11-May-2007 10:46:33] <kompressor> done
[11-May-2007 10:46:52] <chet> Let's start with your laptop as our example..
[11-May-2007 10:47:03] <chet> Create a zenoss user on it.
[11-May-2007 10:47:30] <kompressor> ok on it now
[11-May-2007 10:48:35] <kompressor> user addedd
[11-May-2007 10:49:10] <chet> On the laptop create a new directory called /home/zenoss/.ssh
[11-May-2007 10:49:20] <chet> Assuming your new zenoss user's home directory is /home/zenoss.. which it probably is.
[11-May-2007 10:52:40] <kompressor> done
[11-May-2007 10:54:49] <kompressor> :-) going on....
[11-May-2007 11:00:23] <chet> Add a file into that new .ssh directory called "authorized_keys" and copy the contents of the file $ZENHOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub on your zenoss server into this new authorized_keys file.
[11-May-2007 11:00:42] <chet> This will authorize your zenoss server to ssh into your laptop using that key you created.
[11-May-2007 11:01:23] <kompressor> yes i see that now
[11-May-2007 11:03:28] <kompressor> and ....done
[11-May-2007 11:03:38] <chet> Can you test it from the zenoss server? As the zenoss user try to ssh into the laptop. You should not be prompted with a password.
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[11-May-2007 11:04:57] <kompressor> nope it prompts for the password
[11-May-2007 11:05:04] <stockholm> chet: hi!
[11-May-2007 11:05:08] <kompressor> should i restart the laptop maybe?
[11-May-2007 11:05:34] <stockholm> chet: does zenoss do different frequencies for different targets?
[11-May-2007 11:05:46] <stockholm> chet: or flexible frequencies, even?
[11-May-2007 11:11:41] <chet> stockholm: It is possible to setup multiple performance monitors on the same system.. check out http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2007/004711.html
[11-May-2007 11:13:17] <chet> kompressor: one sec and I'll help you troubleshoot that.
[11-May-2007 11:13:17] <kompressor> chet, the laptop still requires the passwd.. :-(
[11-May-2007 11:13:23] <kompressor> chet, sure
[11-May-2007 11:15:42] <chet> Does your /var/log/messages on the laptop contain any errors from sshd?
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[11-May-2007 11:17:14] <kompressor> chet, no errors on sshd
[11-May-2007 11:18:29] <chet> On the zenoss server, as the zenoss user try to ssh to your laptop again, but this time run ssh like "ssh -v -v -v yourLaptop"
[11-May-2007 11:19:54] <chet> You should get a copious amount of debugging output.. could you paste that into pastebin.mozilla.org?
[11-May-2007 11:20:21] <kompressor> sure
[11-May-2007 11:20:26] <kompressor> ill paste now
[11-May-2007 11:21:55] <kompressor> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/53437
[11-May-2007 11:21:55] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[11-May-2007 11:23:12] <chet> odd, it didn't even find your key.
[11-May-2007 11:23:26] <chet> Could you verify that /home/zenoss/.ssh/id_rsa id_rsa.pub exist?
[11-May-2007 11:23:31] <chet> On the zenoss server.
[11-May-2007 11:24:21] <kompressor> yes it exists
[11-May-2007 11:24:42] <kompressor> is it necessary to restart the laptop maybe in order to pick up the key
[11-May-2007 11:25:10] <chet> No, definitely not. Actually it looks like that isn't the full output in pastebin. Could you get the beginning of the output too?
[11-May-2007 11:25:31] <kompressor> ok
[11-May-2007 11:27:25] <Bulwinkle> heya chet!
[11-May-2007 11:27:35] <bzed> amke sure the .ssh directory is 700 and authorized_keys is 600 and the user is the owner, as far as I remember is ssh picky about that
[11-May-2007 11:27:37] <chet> Good morning, Bulwinkle.
[11-May-2007 11:27:45] <chet> bzed: Good point.
[11-May-2007 11:28:07] <stockholm> chet: i was hoping to get something like daily sampling for checks on google hits and 30secs or so for bandwidth graphs
[11-May-2007 11:28:26] <stockholm> chet: in ONE setup, not multiple
[11-May-2007 11:28:46] <Bulwinkle> chet: should I still be getting the Misuse of shell builtins until I get the Regex correctly configured?
[11-May-2007 11:29:35] <kompressor> posted here http://pastebin.mozilla.org/53443 - let me try bzed's suggestion
[11-May-2007 11:29:35] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[11-May-2007 11:29:43] <chet> Bulwinkle: No.. I'm surprised you're still getting that since the debugging output showed it returning properly.
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[11-May-2007 11:30:05] <Bulwinkle> chet: well, that is the only thing showing up
[11-May-2007 11:30:29] <chet> kompressor: It looks like you ran that command as impi instead of the zenoss user.
[11-May-2007 11:30:53] <kompressor> chet, let me double check that
[11-May-2007 11:31:39] <chet> Bulwinkle: Is that misuse of shell builtins event coming from the same device that you specified in the manual run with --device= ?
[11-May-2007 11:32:16] <Bulwinkle> chet: all devices with pointtopointserial interfaces
[11-May-2007 11:32:53] <jgw> i am very new to zenoss and currently using the vmware appliance to monitor a few windows servers and a few cisco devices. i am getting constant event errors for a cisco asa5520 device stating "snmp agent down on device fw-01", the settings appear to be perfectly correct, and when i go to the Manage tab for the device and select "collect configuration" it reads any changes i made on the cisco device info
[11-May-2007 11:33:44] <chet> jgw: Go the the zProperties of fw-01 and verify that the zSnmpCommunity and zSnmpVer are appropriate.
[11-May-2007 11:34:16] <chet> After that try restarting zenperfsnmp from the About page.
[11-May-2007 11:35:32] <kompressor> chet, i double checked that here... http://pastebin.mozilla.org/53452
[11-May-2007 11:35:32] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[11-May-2007 11:37:01] <chet> Looks like only the last part of the output again..
[11-May-2007 11:38:51] <kompressor> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/53456 ok check here
[11-May-2007 11:38:51] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[11-May-2007 11:39:03] <kompressor> chet, can we chat again tomoro...i have to go now ...thanx
[11-May-2007 11:39:22] <kompressor> bye all
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[11-May-2007 11:39:42] <chet> I'll be golfing tomorrow.
[11-May-2007 11:42:05] <chet> That's pretty cool.. I'd never tried modeling a Linux system via ssh before. It worked amazingly well.. interfaces, processes, ip services, file systems and routes all look great.
[11-May-2007 11:44:31] <seans> that might be how I am hoping to use the system, you used a host key authentication?
[11-May-2007 11:44:38] <chet> yeah
[11-May-2007 11:45:40] <chet> Personally I'm still partial to SNMP.
[11-May-2007 11:45:51] <jgw> chet: do i not need to worry about zSnmpCommunities? and just focus on vSnmpCommunity?
[11-May-2007 11:46:12] <seans> honestly if it is able to monitor over ssh, there would be so many things you could do i would imagine, I havent had time to poke at zenoss too much after installing it
[11-May-2007 11:46:21] <chet> zSnmpCommunity is the one that'll be used to poll the system. zSnmpCommunities is for discovery and modeling.
[11-May-2007 11:46:28] <jgw> chet: the vSnmpVer was set to v1, whereas the device is set for v2c, so i changed it to "v2c"
[11-May-2007 11:46:40] <chet> Great.
[11-May-2007 11:47:05] <chet> seans: True.. if you aren't familiar with extending your SNMP agent it may be easier to script extensions into zenplugins.
[11-May-2007 11:47:39] <chet> seans: Ever since I found the SNMP::Persist module on CPAN extending NetSNMP has been a breeze.
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[11-May-2007 11:48:33] <israelalvarez> hello - I'm having some trouble installing the mysql bindings for python required by zenoss
[11-May-2007 11:48:48] <chet> israelalvarez: What kind of troubles?
[11-May-2007 11:48:50] <israelalvarez> can anyone offer some advice?
[11-May-2007 11:49:04] <chet> israelalvarez: 90% chance I'd say..
[11-May-2007 11:49:20] <seans> chet: I honestly I dont know a thing about SNMP, I have an idea of what OIDs are, and can snmp walk things, but acutally using it for something useful, Ive yet to do that, I will have to find a server to do something testing wiht it
[11-May-2007 11:49:29] <israelalvarez> install.sh fails at mysql-python saying it can't find libmysql
[11-May-2007 11:49:50] <israelalvarez> I have a paste of the output: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/385462133
[11-May-2007 11:49:50] <adytum-bot> Title: CakeBin : Pastes (at bin.cakephp.org)
[11-May-2007 11:49:50] <chet> israelalvarez: What Linux distribution are you using?
[11-May-2007 11:49:50] <israelalvarez> suse
[11-May-2007 11:50:07] <chet> What version of MySQL?
[11-May-2007 11:50:54] <israelalvarez> SUSE LINUX 10.0 (i586) OSS specifically
[11-May-2007 11:51:22] <israelalvarez> mysql-5.0.41
[11-May-2007 11:51:29] <israelalvarez> built from source
[11-May-2007 11:51:46] <jgw> chet: i'm still getting those errors argh
[11-May-2007 11:51:58] <jgw> chet: unfortunately, the vmware image doesnt have strace
[11-May-2007 11:52:06] <jgw> will try reverting everything to v1 for the heck of it
[11-May-2007 11:52:42] <chet> jgw: You could try running this as the zenoss user: zenperfsnmp run -v 10 --device=yourRouter
[11-May-2007 11:52:43] <israelalvarez> I installed mysql using prefix=/usr/local, but I've copied the headers and libs to /usr/local/inclu
[11-May-2007 11:52:44] <israelalvarez> de/mysql and /usr/local/lib/mysql respectively
[11-May-2007 11:52:50] <israelalvarez> but still no luck
[11-May-2007 11:53:21] <chet> Do you have mysqlclient_r.so.15 in /usr/local/lib/mysql?
[11-May-2007 11:53:49] <jgw> chet: 10-4
[11-May-2007 11:53:56] <israelalvarez> I have libmysqlclient.so.15
[11-May-2007 11:54:03] <israelalvarez> but no libmysqlclient_r.so.15
[11-May-2007 11:54:05] <chet> But not _r?
[11-May-2007 11:54:07] <chet> hmm..
[11-May-2007 11:54:17] <israelalvarez> lemme do a search
[11-May-2007 11:54:18] <chet> one sec, I'll have to look into that one.
[11-May-2007 11:54:51] <israelalvarez> hmmm
[11-May-2007 11:55:20] <jgw> heh setting snmp ver to v1 cleared the error
[11-May-2007 11:55:21] <israelalvarez> I have mysqlclient_r.so.14 in /usr/lib/mysql/
[11-May-2007 11:56:20] <chet> That must be the stock Suse MySQL4 install.
[11-May-2007 11:56:35] <israelalvarez> ya I figured that's where it came from
[11-May-2007 11:56:36] <chet> Are you dependent upon that? If not, I'd recommend uninstalling it.
[11-May-2007 11:56:47] <chet> You know how multiple versions can be..
[11-May-2007 11:57:00] <israelalvarez> thought I had - at least I instructed yast to uninstall all mysql it knew about
[11-May-2007 11:57:12] <israelalvarez> possible there's another dependency in the system though
[11-May-2007 11:57:56] <israelalvarez> ok, I have no libmysqlclient_r.so.15 anywhere on my system, including the mysql build dir
[11-May-2007 12:02:15] <chet> Could you check your mysql ./configure options? _r is the threadsafe library. You might need to force the configure script to include it.
[11-May-2007 12:02:35] <israelalvarez> ah ok
[11-May-2007 12:02:58] <israelalvarez> do I need to rebuild and reinstall or can I just rebuild the threadsafe lib and manually copy it?
[11-May-2007 12:03:09] <israelalvarez> mysql I mean
[11-May-2007 12:03:30] <chet> Manually copying that stuff makes me nervous. It should install it automatically.
[11-May-2007 12:04:25] <israelalvarez> k ty
[11-May-2007 12:04:36] <israelalvarez> I appreciate the help very much
[11-May-2007 12:05:08] <chet> Not a problem.. I wish I were more familiar with SUSE.
[11-May-2007 12:10:37] <jgw> a couple friends kept going on and on about zenoss, so i decided to download the vmware image, play with it for 5 minutes, then drag it to the trash
[11-May-2007 12:10:45] <jgw> but i've got to say the zenoss folks have something here
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[11-May-2007 12:11:05] <jgw> its very intuitive imho
[11-May-2007 12:11:10] <jgw> especially with cisco devices
[11-May-2007 12:11:18] <jgw> there are lots of areas that need to be worked on, but
[11-May-2007 12:11:46] <chet> jgw: It's very new, but the pace of development is blazing..
[11-May-2007 12:12:23] <chet> jgw: Monitoring/Management software is quite an expansive problem domain. Obviously it'll take time to solve even a large minority of problems.
[11-May-2007 12:12:59] <chet> jgw: As far as I can tell, Zenoss is tackling the problem better than most.
[11-May-2007 12:13:53] <chet> The day that anyone, open source or not, comes up with a fully functional and easy to use NMS my grandchildren will be living on the moon. =}
[11-May-2007 12:14:06] <jgw> i love nagios, but its a pita to set things up. i have the smarts to do it, but not the time
[11-May-2007 12:14:20] <jgw> right now we use hobbitmon for production monitoring
[11-May-2007 12:14:32] <jgw> its quick and easy, but also too basic for our current needs
[11-May-2007 12:15:01] <chet> jgw: Agreed.. I was using Nagios previously. The solution to every problem seemed like a hack.
[11-May-2007 12:15:05] <jgw> i like how zenoss automatically breaks out cisco device interfaces and graphs them individually with virtually no work
[11-May-2007 12:15:49] <jgw> is there a way to bulk add Devices to a System?
[11-May-2007 12:16:15] <jgw> the way i'm thinking is that i create systems that are our various geographical locations, and then move devices into those
[11-May-2007 12:16:21] <chet> Quite a few ways.. zendisc will discover them for you. You can use REST/XMLRPC to do them programatically.
[11-May-2007 12:16:21] <jgw> is my thinking incorrect?
[11-May-2007 12:16:28] * jgw goes to rtfm
[11-May-2007 12:17:15] <chet> jgw: No.. use Locations for geographical locations. Use Systems for "Systems" .. most people seem to be using Systems like SAP, Oracle, PeopleSoft, Email, Web
[11-May-2007 12:17:28] <jgw> doh, ok
[11-May-2007 12:17:29] <chet> Systems in the managers' sense of the word.
[11-May-2007 12:17:45] <jgw> one silly thing i've been trying to do is avoid the documentation to test intuitiveness
[11-May-2007 12:18:14] <jgw> totally glossed over the existence of Locations, oops
[11-May-2007 12:18:32] <chet> That works to a point.. some things aren't intuitive. At least to me they aren't.
[11-May-2007 12:18:37] <chet> Event mapping is a good example.
[11-May-2007 12:20:22] <jgw> i dont suppose there are any zenoss addons to graphically map a network?
[11-May-2007 12:20:32] <jgw> according to a device's dependencies, ala nagios
[11-May-2007 12:20:47] <chet> Not yet, but I know it's on their minds.
[11-May-2007 12:21:10] <WolfeWLU> Is there anyway to create an aggregate view of all the interface graphs on a single page?
[11-May-2007 12:21:22] <chet> I've heard a few community members mention that they're working on it themselves.
[11-May-2007 12:21:42] <jgw> WolfeWLU: i havent really investigated it yet, but if you figure it out before i do, let me know
[11-May-2007 12:23:20] <chet> WolfeWLU: Not in the stock installation. Search the mailing list for "organized graphs" and you'll find a little project to do that.
[11-May-2007 12:23:29] <chet> A fellow named Ikenticus has been working on it.
[11-May-2007 12:23:38] <chet> I think the latest version is 1.4-5
[11-May-2007 12:24:47] <israelalvarez> Chet - that solved the problem. Thank you very much again for your help.
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[11-May-2007 12:28:32] <WolfeWLU> chet: Thank you!
[11-May-2007 12:29:19] <Bulwinkle> chet: any ideas with my problem?
[11-May-2007 12:29:59] <chet> Bulwinkle: I was curious if the misuse of shell builtins events were coming from the device that you specified when you ran the zenperfsnmp --device=??? command manually.
[11-May-2007 12:30:28] <Bulwinkle> chet: yes, and all devices with pointtopointserial interfaces
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[11-May-2007 12:40:59] <chet> Whether the interfaces are up or down? They all generate this event?
[11-May-2007 12:51:13] <jgw> are there any templates or whatever for cisco aironets, for zenoss?
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[11-May-2007 14:18:01] <Bulwinkle> chet: yes, all of them produce this Misuse
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[11-May-2007 15:56:31] <Bulwinkle> chet: are you still around?
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[11-May-2007 16:08:45] <jgw> hrm i like 1.1, but 1.9 beta is annoying me to no end
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[11-May-2007 16:17:40] <bzed> jgw: feel free to report all issues/problems to the forum or mailing lists
[11-May-2007 16:20:33] <Bulwinkle> Any developers in channel who can help me with a problem?
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[11-May-2007 18:20:34] <jgw> bzed: 10-4
[11-May-2007 18:37:32] <bzed> jgw: 10-4!?
[11-May-2007 18:39:01] <jgw> < bzed> jgw: feel free to report all issues/problems to the forum or mailing lists
[11-May-2007 18:39:48] <bzed> yes, and?
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[12-May-2007 00:56:32] <israelalvarez> anyone here?
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[12-May-2007 04:39:20] <foo> hmm, in the INSTALL.txt it says this: - Configure the username and password for zenperfsnmp in the config file: bash$ vim $ZENHOME/etc/zenperfsnmp.conf ... in this file, it just has: #PARAMETER VALUE \n monitor localhost ... where do I configure the username/password there? That could be documented better.
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[13-May-2007 05:29:47] <foo> Anyone here a convert from nagios?
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[14-May-2007 03:02:32] <Loady__> hi.
[14-May-2007 03:03:52] <Loady__> how do i set zenoss to monitor a service without a public ip. like mysql witch only listens on localhost
[14-May-2007 03:04:20] <bzed> use a nagios plugin for example
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[14-May-2007 03:14:05] <iuso> is there a doc somewhere on zenoss.org about upgrading from 1.1.1 to 1.1.2?
[14-May-2007 03:17:38] <bzed> i think it's mentioneed in the install.txt or so, not sure about the right filename
[14-May-2007 03:17:45] <bzed> but it's in the tar.gz
[14-May-2007 03:18:50] <iuso> ok thanks
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[15-May-2007 02:02:42] <kompressor> hello all
[15-May-2007 02:03:04] <Snake-Eyes> hey
[15-May-2007 02:07:01] <kompressor> hey Snake-Eyes !
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[15-May-2007 02:52:18] <kompressor> Snake-Eyes, what zenoss version are you using?
[15-May-2007 03:02:07] <Snake-Eyes> 1.1.2 now
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[15-May-2007 03:08:04] <solitude> hi
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[15-May-2007 03:09:09] <solitude> I'm looking for some help.
[15-May-2007 03:09:52] <esv> hello folks, I just installed zenoss 1.1.2 from rpms but get an error message when trying to start it: Daemon: zeoctl /opt/zenoss/bin/zenoss: line 77: /opt/zenoss/bin/zeoctl: No such file or directory
[15-May-2007 03:09:52] <solitude> when I run zendisc --run routers I get the error snmp discover of self 'localhost' failed
[15-May-2007 03:10:33] <esv> am I missing any rpms?
[15-May-2007 03:11:22] <esv> solitude: are you able to run snmpwalk localhost ?
[15-May-2007 03:11:46] <esv> maybe you'll need to use -v1 or the snmp version you configured for snmpd.
[15-May-2007 03:14:31] <solitude> yup, snmpwalk works just fine
[15-May-2007 03:15:39] <esv> did u setup the community name in the zenoss config file, there is a similar question in the FAQ, isn't it?
[15-May-2007 03:19:59] <esv> did u check zSnmpCommunities in /Devices ? is your community name there?
[15-May-2007 03:21:09] <solitude> le me check on that
[15-May-2007 03:22:06] <solitude> is it zenperfsnmp file?
[15-May-2007 03:22:33] <kompressor> solitude, check in your web interface /Devices
[15-May-2007 03:30:03] <esv> kompressor: have you seen before the error message I posted above ?
[15-May-2007 03:30:04] <solitude> ok..
[15-May-2007 03:30:06] <esv> /opt/zenoss/bin/zenoss: line 77: /opt/zenoss/bin/zeoctl: No such file or directory
[15-May-2007 03:30:22] <esv> when installing from rpm.
[15-May-2007 03:30:40] <kompressor> esv, i havent come across it....
[15-May-2007 03:31:20] <kompressor> esv, i tested an rpm install yesterday and did not experience any problems
[15-May-2007 03:31:29] <esv> FC6?
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[15-May-2007 03:32:53] <kompressor> nope, on suse 10
[15-May-2007 03:33:38] <esv> I searched either on google or the site about the problem and it found 1 hit. the guy worked around it installing from source.
[15-May-2007 03:33:43] <esv> I am trying that now.
[15-May-2007 03:33:44] <kompressor> but i now use an ubuntu system again this morning
[15-May-2007 03:36:08] <esv> did you install the RPM Dependencies package too ?
[15-May-2007 03:37:02] <kompressor> yes
[15-May-2007 03:37:32] <esv> which one, rhel43 or rhel5-1?
[15-May-2007 03:38:18] <esv> since I am trying FC6, should I use zenoss-deps-rhel5-1.1.2.i386.tar.bz2 ?
[15-May-2007 03:42:36] <esv> good night.
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[15-May-2007 03:48:12] <kompressor> esv, i have used zenoss-1.1.2-0.rhel5.src.rpm
[15-May-2007 03:48:27] <kompressor> the zenoss-deps-rhel5-1.1.2.i386.tar.bz should also be fine
[15-May-2007 03:50:42] <iuso> hi, is it possible to use more than one RRD templates for a device? we have servers of which most but not all have ssh, some have a mail service, and so on -- i'd like to have separate templates for these features, and build each device's data sources collection from separate pieces
[15-May-2007 03:51:27] <iuso> right now i just make local copies of the standard linux server template for each device and then manually add the pieces, but this is much work
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[15-May-2007 03:58:58] <kompressor> esv, i have used zenoss-1.1.2-0.rhel5.src.rpm
[15-May-2007 03:59:14] <esv> thnx
[15-May-2007 03:59:14] <kompressor> the zenoss-deps-rhel5-1.1.2.i386.tar.bz should also work fine
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[15-May-2007 04:11:19] <iuso> hello, is there anyone around who would care to help?
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[15-May-2007 04:26:25] <esv> maybe, why don't you ask and find out ?
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[15-May-2007 04:31:42] <iuso> esv: because i have asked before, don't remember getting a reply
[15-May-2007 04:32:19] <iuso> esv: you seemed to be offline when i did, want to hear my question if i paste it again?
[15-May-2007 04:37:33] <iuso> well here goes anyway
[15-May-2007 04:37:39] <iuso> is it possible to use more than one RRD template for a device? i'd like to have separate templates for different features, and build each device's data sources collection from these individual templates
[15-May-2007 04:37:45] <iuso> right now i just make local copies of the standard linux server template for each device and then manually add the pieces, but this is much work
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[15-May-2007 04:43:39] <iuso> and while i'm at it: is it possible to collect configuration for a group of devices instead of one at a time?
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[15-May-2007 06:38:03] <solitude> I downloaded using svn.. is that ok?
[15-May-2007 06:38:29] <kompressor> yes..that is fine
[15-May-2007 06:38:46] <kompressor> solitude, what version is it?
[15-May-2007 06:39:03] <solitude> 1.1.2
[15-May-2007 06:39:45] <solitude> Zenoss Zenoss 1.9.5 r5324
[15-May-2007 06:39:51] <solitude> sorry, its this version
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[15-May-2007 06:43:14] <kompressor> solitude, you also dont have "Users" link?
[15-May-2007 06:45:16] <solitude> no
[15-May-2007 06:45:45] <solitude> there are totally 4 main links which are main views, classes, browse by and management
[15-May-2007 06:48:54] <solitude> the print screwns that I see on the website zenoss.com and what i have here is completely different
[15-May-2007 06:53:24] <kompressor> ok let me check something bcoz im trying to setup the same version you have quickly
[15-May-2007 06:55:12] <solitude> oh ok
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[15-May-2007 07:06:34] <solitude> ouch
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[15-May-2007 07:28:16] <kompressor> hi bzed
[15-May-2007 07:28:26] <bzed> hi
[15-May-2007 07:28:45] <kompressor> bzed, are u using Zenoss 1.9.5 r532?
[15-May-2007 07:29:36] <bzed> haven't "used" it at all for a while, at the moment I'm only packaging it and when the packages are done, we'll use it
[15-May-2007 07:29:49] <kompressor> ok...
[15-May-2007 07:30:42] <bzed> not beeing able to use it is a good reason to work more on the packages
[15-May-2007 07:31:22] <kompressor> what is the command for adding a new ZenUser, or should this be done in mysql?
[15-May-2007 07:33:22] <iuso> how do i create a new performance template under /Device/Server/Linux? i need it to have the same data sources etc. as /Device/Server/Linux and add new ones
[15-May-2007 07:38:40] <kompressor> brb
[15-May-2007 08:02:37] <solitude> kompressor: any ideas how to add a new device?
[15-May-2007 08:03:31] <kompressor> solitude, im still figuring out how on your version, maybe with a command ...
[15-May-2007 08:04:58] <kompressor> solitude, the other thing is that version 1.1.2 is the current stable one
[15-May-2007 08:05:23] <kompressor> 1.9.5 is not stable
[15-May-2007 08:17:19] <iuso> hi, i've created a new performance template under /Devices/Server/Linux. how can i tell a device to use it?
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[15-May-2007 08:28:07] <solitude> I guess I will degrade..
[15-May-2007 08:29:17] <kompressor> solitude, i think its better for now..
[15-May-2007 08:34:23] <solitude> thx a lot kompressor
[15-May-2007 08:34:51] <J-Bob> kompressor: what up?
[15-May-2007 08:50:49] <solitude> reinstalling the stable version
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[15-May-2007 09:12:12] <kompressor> J-Bob, its cool here howzit!
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[15-May-2007 09:13:38] <Bulwinkle> Good morning all
[15-May-2007 09:14:01] <J-Bob> kompressor: dandy =)
[15-May-2007 09:14:11] <J-Bob> Mornin Bulwinkle!
[15-May-2007 09:14:13] <kompressor> hi Bulwinkle
[15-May-2007 09:14:51] <Bulwinkle> anyone here who can help me with a problem I have been having running a nagios plugin?
[15-May-2007 09:15:06] <Bulwinkle> (I've been working with chad
[15-May-2007 09:15:29] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: be glad to try
[15-May-2007 09:17:44] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: I've been trying to run the nagios check_ifoperstatus plugin to chek the status of my Cisco router interfaces with no success
[15-May-2007 09:19:21] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: the command seems to run correctly (zcommand run -v 10 --device=XXXXXXX) no errors at the command line but....
[15-May-2007 09:20:28] <Bulwinkle> (I'm doing a snapshot of the VM server it is on... one sec)
[15-May-2007 09:25:57] <solitude> finished the installation
[15-May-2007 09:32:52] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: So you are getting nothing back in the GUI from that command?
[15-May-2007 09:34:44] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: Damn VM server is hung, one sec
[15-May-2007 09:34:55] <Bulwinkle> I can give you the errors that show in the Error log
[15-May-2007 09:37:40] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: do that...
[15-May-2007 09:38:06] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: once VM starts acting right I will.....
[15-May-2007 09:41:58] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: he..he..'cay
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[15-May-2007 10:00:41] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: alrighty, slapped around the server, still here?
[15-May-2007 10:02:54] <J-Bob> Yup
[15-May-2007 10:03:35] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: at first I was getting a Misuse of shell builtins... then I went ahead and deleted the command and put THE EXACT COMMAND back in and now I am getting General error...
[15-May-2007 10:04:51] <kompressor> solitude, how is it going?
[15-May-2007 10:12:41] <solitude> good.. much easier to work on this
[15-May-2007 10:12:58] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: but you can run the command from the command line on the zenoss server with no problem?
[15-May-2007 10:13:22] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: yeppers, getting ready to post an example, one sec
[15-May-2007 10:16:28] <Bulwinkle> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/61535
[15-May-2007 10:16:35] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[15-May-2007 10:17:12] <Bulwinkle> I think I see a problem, how do I change the command prefix from /bin/sh -C exec 'blach'
[15-May-2007 10:19:18] <solitude> just a question, how better is it when compared to nagios?
[15-May-2007 10:19:36] * solitude mumbles
[15-May-2007 10:19:38] <solitude> never mind
[15-May-2007 10:19:55] <kompressor> solitude, its outstanding ....much better
[15-May-2007 10:20:07] <kompressor> solitude, zenoss has nagios plugins as well
[15-May-2007 10:20:39] <kompressor> solitude, i havent played much with it but the web interface is outstanding
[15-May-2007 10:20:44] <Bulwinkle> solitude: it looks to have GREAT potential... unfortunately the userbase isn't as large and it is harder to get help from anyone who knows anything
[15-May-2007 10:20:56] <Bulwinkle> (No offense to those that HAVE helped me)
[15-May-2007 10:21:02] <solitude> I liked the status map of nagios.. Is it possible to setup that on zenoss?
[15-May-2007 10:21:23] <Bulwinkle> solitude: nope
[15-May-2007 10:21:33] <solitude> oh ok
[15-May-2007 10:21:49] <kompressor> solitude, however you get graphs and other nice features
[15-May-2007 10:21:57] <J-Bob> solitude: Better than nagios is a relative thing. nagios is a solid tool, but requires much care & feeding and you need rrdtool & cacti (or similar) for data collection and graphing. Zenoss attempts to simplify device monitoring and eliminate editing text files
[15-May-2007 10:22:22] <kompressor> Bulwinkle, i guess you'd get that functionality with nagios-plugins
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[15-May-2007 10:23:18] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: did you get my earlier message about the command thingey? It seems to run all of the command plugins with a /bin/sh prefix and that doesn't work
[15-May-2007 10:23:49] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: yuppers..I am checking a few things!
[15-May-2007 10:23:52] <solitude> I was using nagios with various plugins which was using information from nagios for data collection and graphing..
[15-May-2007 10:23:54] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: thanks
[15-May-2007 10:23:57] <giesen> man I think my zenoss is hosed
[15-May-2007 10:24:06] <giesen> either that or it's very broken
[15-May-2007 10:24:33] <kompressor> giesen, why is that
[15-May-2007 10:24:48] <Bulwinkle> solitude: well, if you do a lot of interface graphing and collection then Zenoss is great out-of-the-box so to speak
[15-May-2007 10:24:51] <giesen> my alerts that are supposed to be marked critical are being marked as info
[15-May-2007 10:25:08] <giesen> my ssh monitoring and interface monitoring isnt working at all
[15-May-2007 10:25:16] <giesen> ie I dont get alerted on it
[15-May-2007 10:25:21] <giesen> when they go over 80%
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[15-May-2007 10:28:16] <eki1> i have a small issue with zenoss on centos 5, i'm unable to connect to the web console, tho everything seems to be running and server is listening on 8080
[15-May-2007 10:28:38] <eki1> any advice?
[15-May-2007 10:28:49] <dmnd> tcpdump it
[15-May-2007 10:28:53] <giesen> I'm 99% sure I have everything configured correctly
[15-May-2007 10:28:54] <dmnd> ?
[15-May-2007 10:29:09] <giesen> it just seems very hit and miss about notifications
[15-May-2007 10:29:23] <kompressor> hmmm
[15-May-2007 10:29:29] <eki1> performing that now
[15-May-2007 10:29:38] <giesen> for example
[15-May-2007 10:29:41] <J-Bob> giesen: there is a bug on alerts...what version are you running?
[15-May-2007 10:29:46] <giesen> 1.1.0
[15-May-2007 10:29:55] <giesen> I'm upgrading to 1.1.2 right now
[15-May-2007 10:30:35] <giesen> and everything else aside, my biggest issue right now is becoming lack of repeat notifications
[15-May-2007 10:31:00] <J-Bob> giesen: I think the fix is in 1.1.2. For some reason the filter code was prepending a "|" on the front of the event classes, so the query would not return any events for zenevent to alert
[15-May-2007 10:31:16] <J-Bob> giesen: repeat notifications, like for ignored events?
[15-May-2007 10:31:20] <giesen> yeah
[15-May-2007 10:31:33] <giesen> ie make noise until the problem is fixed
[15-May-2007 10:32:05] <giesen> I may have to pull zenoss out of two sites because of that, as much as I dont want to
[15-May-2007 10:34:08] <solitude> ever tried zenping topology testing?
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[15-May-2007 10:34:46] <J-Bob> giesen: Hmm...there are some things you can do. You can map an event so that when it comes in you can alert, then if the count changes, you can change the severity and re-issue, then alert again. The other option is to set up an escalation for ignored alerts which alerts a manager =)
[15-May-2007 10:34:59] <giesen> yeah
[15-May-2007 10:35:12] <giesen> we have that
[15-May-2007 10:35:22] <giesen> but we still need it to be more annoying :/
[15-May-2007 10:35:33] <Bulwinkle> I've been working on this problem I'm having for a week+ now.... Thats annoying
[15-May-2007 10:35:39] <giesen> there's only 2 of us
[15-May-2007 10:35:47] <giesen> and one of us has a baby
[15-May-2007 10:35:52] <giesen> so if I miss it
[15-May-2007 10:35:57] <giesen> we're screwed
[15-May-2007 10:35:58] <J-Bob> giesen: lemme see what can be done in the code to ramp up the alerts
[15-May-2007 10:36:05] <giesen> you're my hero =)
[15-May-2007 10:36:10] <giesen> I'll give you the ticket number if that helps
[15-May-2007 10:36:27] <J-Bob> giesen: sure
[15-May-2007 10:36:27] <giesen> ticket #919
[15-May-2007 10:42:37] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: BTW I'm back to Misuse of shell builtins
[15-May-2007 10:43:32] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: Hmm... is this the syntax you are using for the plugin? ${zCommandPath}/zenplugin.py uptime
[15-May-2007 10:43:56] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: nope
[15-May-2007 10:44:18] <Bulwinkle> I just posted to the user forum the syntax I am using.
[15-May-2007 10:44:43] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: what is the default $zCommandPath?
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[15-May-2007 10:48:39] <solitude> is it possible to add a service with a port number and monitor the service
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[15-May-2007 10:53:56] <eki1> finished tcpdump, ran /opt/zenoss/bin/zenoss status, everything is running, still no access to the web console
[15-May-2007 10:54:22] <chet> Bulwinkle: Around?
[15-May-2007 10:54:32] <Bulwinkle> hells yeah
[15-May-2007 10:54:45] <J-Bob> Hi Chet...
[15-May-2007 10:54:49] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'm playing with my problem more and getting some new stuff
[15-May-2007 10:54:56] <chet> Hi J-Bob.
[15-May-2007 10:55:04] <chet> Bulwinkle: New is good when old is broken..
[15-May-2007 10:55:23] <solitude> eki1: checked your apache config?
[15-May-2007 10:55:36] <solitude> see the apache error.log file
[15-May-2007 10:56:05] <Bulwinkle> chet: have you read my post?
[15-May-2007 10:56:13] <Bulwinkle> chet: brand new
[15-May-2007 10:56:13] <eki1> one sec
[15-May-2007 10:56:48] <chet> Bulwinkle: reading it now..
[15-May-2007 10:57:16] <Bulwinkle> chet: I have a meeting but I think it boils down to the fact that the command prefix "/bin/sh -c exec" makes any command following it not run
[15-May-2007 10:57:38] <chet> Bulwinkle: Try it from the command line as the zenoss user.. see what happens.
[15-May-2007 10:59:02] <Bulwinkle> chet: Nadda....
[15-May-2007 10:59:31] <eki1> solitude: i didn't see any problem in the error log, this is a new server that replaced an old one with zenoss working on it, i have the old copy of the httpd.conf file... whats supposed to configured there
[15-May-2007 10:59:33] <eki1> ?
[15-May-2007 10:59:59] <Bulwinkle> chet: I've got a meeting for a few minutes BRB
[15-May-2007 11:03:18] <solitude> how do I add alerting rules?
[15-May-2007 11:04:11] <chet> solitude: To add them for yourself, go to the Preferences link in the top right, then the alerting rules tab.
[15-May-2007 11:04:24] <chet> solitude: To add them for others, you start at the Users link on the left.
[15-May-2007 11:10:49] <esv> folks, I just installed zenoss from source on FC 6, it seems to have gone ok ,except that at the end it "hung" with a message... "Loading initial Zenoss objects into Zeo database (this can take a few minutes)"
[15-May-2007 11:11:19] <esv> but it has been hours on that state. is it trying to discover the network and other devices?
[15-May-2007 11:11:31] <giesen> esv: I've seen it take a couple hours
[15-May-2007 11:11:43] <giesen> also, if your /tmp partition isnt at least 1 Gb
[15-May-2007 11:11:44] <chet> esv: It isn't discovering anything.
[15-May-2007 11:11:47] <giesen> it'll usually fail
[15-May-2007 11:11:54] <giesen> (silently)
[15-May-2007 11:12:52] <esv> well, it hasn't printed anything and (there isn't much to discover ).
[15-May-2007 11:13:39] <chet> esv: Check top to see if it's doing anything.
[15-May-2007 11:13:48] <giesen> it's not discovering, it's just populating the database with the default stuff
[15-May-2007 11:14:14] <esv> mysql?
[15-May-2007 11:14:41] <giesen> there's actually two databases
[15-May-2007 11:14:44] <giesen> there's the mysql database
[15-May-2007 11:14:47] <giesen> and the zope database
[15-May-2007 11:14:54] <giesen> it's populating the zope database
[15-May-2007 11:15:07] <esv> is there a way to query it?
[15-May-2007 11:15:09] <giesen> check how big your tmp partiion is
[15-May-2007 11:15:17] <giesen> in my experience that's usually the problem
[15-May-2007 11:15:25] <esv> the disk is 1 big fat partition.
[15-May-2007 11:15:32] <giesen> ah
[15-May-2007 11:15:33] <giesen> hrm
[15-May-2007 11:16:38] <esv> I mean, it is not FAT formatted, just 1 big partition.
[15-May-2007 11:17:13] <solitude> chet: I got that, but how to set the options
[15-May-2007 11:23:54] <chet> solitude: Which options do you want to know about?
[15-May-2007 11:38:10] <solitude> chet: I figured it out
[15-May-2007 11:38:11] <solitude> thx
[15-May-2007 11:50:44] <chet> Glad I could help.
[15-May-2007 11:59:11] <Bulwinkle> chet: back.... any more ideas?
[15-May-2007 12:00:53] <chet> Bulwinkle: Could you run the: /opt/zenoss/libexec/check_ifoperstatus -k 13 -H 192.168.186.38 -C SNMPString
[15-May-2007 12:01:03] <chet> Bulwinkle: as the zenoss user just to be sure it gives a good response?
[15-May-2007 12:03:15] <Bulwinkle> chet: it does.... "OK: Interface Serial1/0 (index 33) is ip."
[15-May-2007 12:04:13] <chet> Bulwinkle: What about: /bin/sh -c 'exec /opt/zenoss/libexec/check_ifoperstatus -k 13 -H 192.168.186.38 -C SNMPString'
[15-May-2007 12:07:13] <Bulwinkle> that worked....
[15-May-2007 12:08:14] <Bulwinkle> chet: I've got to eat something bbiab
[15-May-2007 12:16:25] <giesen> mmm clearing the event cache on zenoss is fun
[15-May-2007 12:16:31] <giesen> and the 10,000 emails I get afterwards
[15-May-2007 12:23:47] * esv figured out his problem.
[15-May-2007 12:25:24] <esv> as it turns out iptables was blocking access to port 8100
[15-May-2007 12:26:05] <giesen> anyone know how to edit the thresholds for ALL network cards
[15-May-2007 12:26:07] <giesen> on utilization
[15-May-2007 12:26:48] <giesen> nm I found it
[15-May-2007 12:28:01] <esv> k, just installed zenoss from source files, do I need to create the startup scripts?
[15-May-2007 12:28:33] <esv> or does the process creates them?
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[15-May-2007 12:59:26] <WolfeWLU> Does anyone know the recommended way to flag a device or service into downtime?
[15-May-2007 13:00:33] <chet> WolfeWLU: Setup a maintenance window. I believe this is on the Manage tab of a device or device class.
[15-May-2007 13:00:46] <chet> WolfeWLU: Be sure to make sure it starts in the future or it won't trigger properly.
[15-May-2007 13:02:24] <WolfeWLU> Ah so. Thank you. :-)
[15-May-2007 13:02:38] <WolfeWLU> Does moving the device from Production to Maintenance also take it down until changed?
[15-May-2007 13:02:53] <Bulwinkle> chet: back.... any good ideas?
[15-May-2007 13:05:19] <chet> WolfeWLU: Yes. Behind the scenes that is what a maintenance window does. It downgrades the production status for a fixed perioud of itme.
[15-May-2007 13:05:22] <chet> itme = time
[15-May-2007 13:05:56] <chet> Bulwinkle: I must say, I'm a bit baffled. How would you like to try the latest beta?
[15-May-2007 13:06:55] <Bulwinkle> chet: how do I get my command to run either a) in quotes or b) just from the command line?
[15-May-2007 13:07:12] <Bulwinkle> chet: is there a Fedora Package for it?
[15-May-2007 13:09:45] <chet> Bulwinkle: zencommand actually does run it in quotes.. it just isn't displaying that way in the log.
[15-May-2007 13:10:08] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'm totally stumped....
[15-May-2007 13:10:42] <chet> Bulwinkle: The EL package should work on Fedora.
[15-May-2007 13:11:17] <Bulwinkle> chet: thats what I'm gonna do then.... I'm following the instructions in the forum
[15-May-2007 13:16:15] <Bulwinkle> chet: You are a member of the development team aren't you?
[15-May-2007 13:16:53] <chet> Bulwinkle: heh.. no. Just a user.
[15-May-2007 13:17:34] <chet> Bulwinkle: By the way.. you'll also want to add a "-D i" to your check_ifoperstatus command template. This will keep it from notifying you of admin down interfaces.
[15-May-2007 13:17:55] <Bulwinkle> chet: gotcha, thx...
[15-May-2007 13:20:20] <Bulwinkle> chet: you gonna stick around until I get it installed?
[15-May-2007 13:21:00] <chet> Bulwinkle: Depends on how long it takes you. I'll be around in my usual spotty manner for a few more hours.
[15-May-2007 13:21:35] <Bulwinkle> chet: I should be done before then.... I'll msg you again once I get it running. What IM do you use?
[15-May-2007 13:23:03] <Bulwinkle> chet: if I installed from RPM should I uninstall the RPM before installing the new one?
[15-May-2007 13:23:07] <chet> Just keep it here in the channel if you don't mind.
[15-May-2007 13:23:36] <chet> Bulwinkle: You don't have much setup yet, right? You might want to start completely fresh.
[15-May-2007 13:23:38] <Bulwinkle> NP
[15-May-2007 13:24:40] <Bulwinkle> I have a few objects in there.... Guess I can re-create them all. Delete the /opt/zenoss directory after a rpm -e ?
[15-May-2007 13:25:40] <chet> Probably your best bet. I think with your setup it'll be faster to recreate the objects than to go through the upgrade process.
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[15-May-2007 13:29:22] <Bulwinkle> chet: done deal ( the delete, I hope you're right )
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[15-May-2007 13:30:38] <andrewdied> Does the zenoss guide (http://community.zenoss.com/docs/documentation/zenoss-guide/index.html) have a pdf or "all in one big page" option?
[15-May-2007 13:30:38] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[15-May-2007 13:30:50] <Bulwinkle> chet: should I have dropped the database?
[15-May-2007 13:31:44] <chet> Bulwinkle: All that's in the database are your previously generated events. If you don't need them, drop it.
[15-May-2007 13:31:50] <chet> Bulwinkle: Make it as clean as possible.
[15-May-2007 13:32:13] <Bulwinkle> chet: i'm doing the install of the 1.9.5 package now
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[15-May-2007 13:33:45] <Bulwinkle> chet: default login again?
[15-May-2007 13:34:10] <chet> Bulwinkle: hmm.. admin/zenoss?
[15-May-2007 13:34:57] <chet> andrewdied: There is a PDF for the 1.1 series at https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=163126&package_id=229634
[15-May-2007 13:34:57] <adytum-bot> Title: SourceForge.net: Files (at sourceforge.net)
[15-May-2007 13:35:43] <andrewdied> chet: Thanks, I hadn't thought of looking at sourceforge for it. I'm trying out the new beta now, but since I hadn't used 1.1 very long, I'm still learning the core concepts.
[15-May-2007 13:36:10] <Bulwinkle> chet: man my screen is all screwed up....
[15-May-2007 13:36:24] <chet> The documentation for 1.1 is still good for that. They'll probably release the documentation for 2 in PDF format once it done with beta.
[15-May-2007 13:36:32] <chet> Bulwinkle: SHIFT-REFRESH
[15-May-2007 13:36:41] <chet> Bulwinkle: You probably have some old CSS or JS cached.
[15-May-2007 13:36:53] <Bulwinkle> aaaah.... much cleaner
[15-May-2007 13:37:02] <chet> Bulwinkle: Isn't the new one pretty? =}
[15-May-2007 13:38:01] <Bulwinkle> chet: much prettier....
[15-May-2007 13:38:08] <Bulwinkle> Lets see if the sucker works
[15-May-2007 13:38:18] <RobGault> Is anyone here running on OSX?
[15-May-2007 13:41:30] <Bulwinkle> chet: zenping, zensyslog, and zentrap won't start
[15-May-2007 13:42:03] <chet> Make sure $ZENHOME/bin/zensocket is setuid root.
[15-May-2007 13:43:03] <Bulwinkle> not existant
[15-May-2007 13:43:50] <chet> Oops..
[15-May-2007 13:43:54] <chet> That's correct.
[15-May-2007 13:44:12] <chet> visudo and see if you have a line allowing the zenoss user to run some commands..
[15-May-2007 13:46:09] <Bulwinkle> chet: yeah, I put that one in... /opt/zenoss/bin/python, /bin/kill
[15-May-2007 13:46:46] <chet> Could you paste the whole line in here?
[15-May-2007 13:47:40] <Bulwinkle> zenoss gthou-zenoss01d = NOPASSWD: /opt/zenoss/bin/python,/bin/kill
[15-May-2007 13:48:14] <chet> Does the RPM install it in /opt/zenoss?
[15-May-2007 13:48:32] <Bulwinkle> chet: yes
[15-May-2007 13:49:06] <chet> Try doing "zenping run -v 10" as the zenoss user.. maybe it'll be more obvious why it isn't starting.
[15-May-2007 13:50:01] <Bulwinkle> when I su zenoss i get /home/zenoss/.bashrc: permission denied... One sec
[15-May-2007 13:54:03] <Bulwinkle> I'm going to start with a fresh OS install too
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[15-May-2007 18:34:48] <pack> what does the zenoss 3000 on http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/149 mean?
[15-May-2007 18:34:48] <adytum-bot> Title: #149 (Add Support for NetFlow) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[15-May-2007 18:34:50] <pack> does that mean netflow stuff is never showing up?
[15-May-2007 18:53:30] <giesen> pack: zenoss 3000 is their "future milestone"
[15-May-2007 18:53:35] <giesen> stuff that they'd like to do
[15-May-2007 18:53:51] <giesen> but either requires rewriting/rearchitecting a lot of stuff
[15-May-2007 18:53:59] <giesen> or is low priority
[15-May-2007 18:54:11] <giesen> man
[15-May-2007 18:54:18] <giesen> my zenoss box is at its *limit*
[15-May-2007 18:54:20] <giesen> last pid: 96818; load averages: 2.45, 3.55, 3.72 up 0+07:31:33 18:51:13
[15-May-2007 18:54:23] <giesen> 159 processes: 4 running, 135 sleeping, 1 stopped, 19 zombie
[15-May-2007 18:54:25] <giesen> CPU states: 37.3% user, 0.0% nice, 61.9% system, 0.7% interrupt, 0.0% idle
[15-May-2007 18:55:27] <giesen> damn ping graphing is killing my cpu
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[15-May-2007 19:18:00] <foo> giesen: How many devices?
[15-May-2007 19:21:16] <giesen> 100 or so
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[15-May-2007 19:23:27] <foo> giesen: hmm, ok. I have been under the impression zenoss is a little more resource intensive, than, say, nagios
[15-May-2007 19:23:37] <foo> I'm on nagios now, testing out zenoss... it's installed, have some further stuff to do
[15-May-2007 19:24:05] <giesen> it's very nice
[15-May-2007 19:24:11] <giesen> head and shoulders above nagios
[15-May-2007 19:24:23] <giesen> the issue isnt zenoss really
[15-May-2007 19:24:42] <giesen> it's the fact I'm running a nagios plugin to graph ping response times for 90 devices
[15-May-2007 19:26:43] <bzed> foo: it's more ressource intensive then nagios for sure, and that doesn't make me wonder either you want to have the "features" of nagios, or you want to have something complete
[15-May-2007 19:31:44] <giesen> yeah
[15-May-2007 19:31:50] <giesen> it definitely loves lots of ram
[15-May-2007 19:31:59] <giesen> zenoss actually understands SNMP
[15-May-2007 19:32:11] <giesen> which makes it vastly different from any other open source nms
[15-May-2007 19:32:19] <giesen> and its strength is snmp
[15-May-2007 19:32:38] <foo> Nice
[15-May-2007 19:48:03] <bzed> zope likes to eat soem ram
[15-May-2007 19:48:14] <bzed> including caches and stuff...
[15-May-2007 19:48:27] <bzed> a normal plone installation uses about 250-300M
[15-May-2007 19:49:31] <bzed> I guess snmp will work times better in zenoss 2.0 as they've written a new snmp library using a ctype binding to the netsnmp library
[15-May-2007 19:49:39] <giesen> nice
[15-May-2007 19:49:51] <bzed> that will be times better than the buggy twistedsnmp/pythonsnmp v3
[15-May-2007 19:49:57] <giesen> hehe I'm just waiting for snmp browse/write support =)
[15-May-2007 19:50:26] * giesen holds his breath
[15-May-2007 19:50:42] <giesen> hrm
[15-May-2007 19:50:57] <giesen> I think maybe I should go flip the breakers downstairs
[15-May-2007 19:51:00] <bzed> as far as I remember from reading the pynetsnmp lib there're only get function in there yet
[15-May-2007 19:51:04] <giesen> see if my UPS monitoring is still working =)
[15-May-2007 19:51:11] <bzed> hehe
[15-May-2007 19:51:20] <bzed> and see if the UPS still works
[15-May-2007 19:51:23] <giesen> I have some sexy UPS graphs
[15-May-2007 19:51:27] <giesen> haha trust me it works
[15-May-2007 19:51:34] <giesen> it does an auto maintenance once a once
[15-May-2007 19:51:36] <giesen> at 2 am
[15-May-2007 19:51:42] <giesen> and I get woken up every damn time
[15-May-2007 19:51:43] <bzed> APC ?
[15-May-2007 19:51:58] <giesen> liebert I think
[15-May-2007 19:52:01] <bzed> ah
[15-May-2007 19:52:05] <bzed> we have a large APC
[15-May-2007 19:52:08] <bzed> rock solid
[15-May-2007 19:52:32] <bzed> tyhe only failure it ever had so far was a buggy temperature sensor somewhere next to the main switch
[15-May-2007 19:52:33] <bzed> well
[15-May-2007 19:52:51] <giesen> sorry I lied
[15-May-2007 19:52:52] <bzed> it's possible to replace the main switch on a runnign USV
[15-May-2007 19:52:54] <giesen> PowerWare
[15-May-2007 19:53:01] <giesen> who are owned by liebert anyways
[15-May-2007 19:53:08] <bzed> never thought that it would be possible, but it worked like a charm
[15-May-2007 19:53:30] <giesen> the only thing that bugs me
[15-May-2007 19:53:40] <giesen> is some of the readings on SNMP dont match the readings in the web interface
[15-May-2007 19:53:45] <giesen> and I know the web interface is right
[15-May-2007 19:54:27] <bzed> is it a problem in zenoss or is the machine buggy in general?
[15-May-2007 19:54:38] <giesen> no it's the snmp stack on the management module that's lying
[15-May-2007 19:54:57] <giesen> UPS are notorious for that
[15-May-2007 19:55:07] <giesen> it's not a huge difference
[15-May-2007 19:55:11] <giesen> but it still annoys me
[15-May-2007 19:55:29] <bzed> yeah
[15-May-2007 19:55:31] <giesen> I have some uber sexy graphs for my UPS though
[15-May-2007 19:55:33] <bzed> it should not happen
[15-May-2007 19:55:53] <giesen> I graph every thing from battery run time to input voltage to percent load
[15-May-2007 19:56:42] <giesen> hehe I can see every month when it does its maintenance
[15-May-2007 19:56:55] <giesen> cause the battery current shoots up from 0
[15-May-2007 19:57:04] <bzed> hehe
[15-May-2007 20:00:35] <giesen> my next big monitoring project will be integrating zenoss with asterisk
[15-May-2007 20:00:37] <giesen> so that I get called by phone when something is broken
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[16-May-2007 03:00:40] <solitude> anybody awake?
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[16-May-2007 03:23:22] <Snake-Eyes> no, now go back to bed
[16-May-2007 03:23:55] * Snake-Eyes grumbles about it getting dark already
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[16-May-2007 03:53:38] <kompressor> lo everyone
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[16-May-2007 04:38:29] <kompressor> solitude, how did your setup of 1.1.2 go yesterday
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[16-May-2007 05:59:51] <foo> Hm, I set it up too.... but, had some issues. Going to tackle those when the time comes
[16-May-2007 06:00:23] <kompressor> ok
[16-May-2007 06:00:58] <foo> Anyone convert from nagios?
[16-May-2007 06:02:06] <kompressor> convert ????
[16-May-2007 06:02:24] <foo> Yeah, move from nagios to zenoss..
[16-May-2007 06:02:35] <foo> I'm currently have nagios setup, but was looking to migrate to zenoss
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[16-May-2007 06:10:38] <kompressor> foo, i didnt do a migration....
[16-May-2007 06:11:01] <kompressor> i just installed a new instance of zenoss alongside nagios so that i can compare
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[16-May-2007 07:15:51] <iuso> i have a problem here, error events don't trigger alarm mails to be sent
[16-May-2007 07:16:37] <iuso> i have the user configured correctly and the test mail comes through, and the event aging and other settings are OK so they shouldn't interfere
[16-May-2007 07:16:51] <iuso> no matter what the event severity is, there are no mails being sent
[16-May-2007 07:18:19] <iuso> these are critical errors too
[16-May-2007 07:35:05] <solitude> hey kompressor
[16-May-2007 07:40:10] <kompressor> solitude, howzit!
[16-May-2007 07:40:27] <solitude> goin good! :>
[16-May-2007 07:40:38] <solitude> do you get alerts though email whenever something goes down?
[16-May-2007 07:42:51] <iuso> solitude: no
[16-May-2007 07:43:54] <iuso> solitude: i'm looking at zenactions.log and there are mentions of mail been sent to my address, but nothing arrives
[16-May-2007 07:44:27] <iuso> solitude: i considered that maybe our spam filter would be the culprit, but test mails do arrive
[16-May-2007 07:51:53] <iuso> my /etc/hosts is OK (i read somewhere that it may affect this)
[16-May-2007 07:53:01] <iuso> i'm getting fresh critical errors, and zenactions.log still says mail has been sent
[16-May-2007 07:53:05] <iuso> but none arrives
[16-May-2007 07:57:32] <iuso> ok, figured it out. it was going to an unsubscribed mailbox
[16-May-2007 08:03:40] <solitude> got it?
[16-May-2007 08:05:18] <solitude> if we're monitoring a service, is there a way to know what is the downtime of that particular service?
[16-May-2007 08:05:23] <solitude> I dont see anything in reports
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[16-May-2007 08:31:16] <solitude> hey Bulwinkle
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[16-May-2007 08:31:30] <Bulwinkle> hey solitude
[16-May-2007 08:33:38] <solitude> I guess gentoo doesnt support zenoss so very well
[16-May-2007 08:33:56] <Bulwinkle> I could fit all I know about gentoo on the head of a pin....
[16-May-2007 08:34:37] <solitude> I dont see any details on the dashboard, no email alerts..
[16-May-2007 08:39:45] <solitude> Bulwinkle: When I test the mail address provided for a user I get the mail just fine
[16-May-2007 08:40:10] <solitude> do I need to make any extra changes to make alters work?
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[16-May-2007 08:40:14] <Bulwinkle> solitude: guess the mail portion works fine
[16-May-2007 08:43:06] <solitude> I dont see any attempts to send alerts in the log files of my postfix/zenactions.log
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[16-May-2007 09:24:21] <chet> Bulwinkle: How are you getting along with 1.9.5?
[16-May-2007 09:24:33] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'm not there yet
[16-May-2007 09:24:43] <Bulwinkle> chet: still reinstalling my OS
[16-May-2007 09:26:01] <Bulwinkle> chet: is the vm image of 1.9.5 fully loaded?
[16-May-2007 09:27:28] <chet> Bulwinkle: I recommend against it. It is still running that rPath distribution.
[16-May-2007 09:28:15] <chet> RHEL4/5 or derivatives are the best option if you don't favor something else for another reason.
[16-May-2007 09:28:49] <chet> 5 is probably the best because it comes with Python 2.4 and MySQL 5.
[16-May-2007 09:29:35] <chet> Personally I'm still running CentOS 4 with MySQL 5 from the centosplus repository and a local copy of Python 2.4 just for Zenoss.
[16-May-2007 09:29:40] <chet> Not quite as clean.
[16-May-2007 09:31:56] <Bulwinkle> chet: would you recommend running the cvs?
[16-May-2007 09:35:16] <chet> Only if you're interested in fixing a lot of problem yourself.
[16-May-2007 09:35:37] <Bulwinkle> I think you know what I think about that idea
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[16-May-2007 10:20:59] <Bulwinkle> chet: got it running.... looks like some things failed.... zentrap, zensyslog, zenping (all say sudo: sorry you must have tty to run sudo)
[16-May-2007 10:23:06] <chet> You probably have "Defaults requiretty" in you sudoers file. Run visudo to comment it out.
[16-May-2007 10:27:08] <Bulwinkle> you're such a stud... that got it
[16-May-2007 10:27:22] <Bulwinkle> now I gotta add in ONE device and see if we can get the command working
[16-May-2007 10:27:31] <chet> I have my fingers crossed.
[16-May-2007 10:30:54] <Bulwinkle> looks like it takes a LOT longer to load in devices. How do I stop it from adding all the routes from my Cisco devices?
[16-May-2007 10:34:38] <chet> Bulwinkle: You can set zRouteMapCollectOnlyLocal = True on their device class if you want. This will ignore all routes that were learned through any dynamic routing protocol.
[16-May-2007 10:34:54] <chet> Bulwinkle: Try to do this on as few devices as possible. Such as anything with a full BGP view.
[16-May-2007 10:35:18] <chet> Zenoss does use the routing tables to build a network topology internally.
[16-May-2007 10:35:30] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'll leave it alone for noe
[16-May-2007 10:35:32] <Bulwinkle> er now
[16-May-2007 10:35:44] <chet> It isn't required, but it will help suppress events in the case of a large network failure.
[16-May-2007 10:35:47] <Bulwinkle> I've already noticed one change and that is the community strings
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[16-May-2007 10:38:55] <Bulwinkle> the old one used to go through all of the snmp strings I set in the root zProperties....
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[16-May-2007 10:42:31] <Bulwinkle> how do I add in my propPointToPointSerial template?
[16-May-2007 10:43:14] <chet> Go to /Devices and the Templates tab.
[16-May-2007 10:44:01] <chet> Check ethernetCsmacd, then go to the little down arrow in the top left next to "Available Per.." and choose Copy.
[16-May-2007 10:44:12] <chet> Then paste it, go into the copy and rename it to propPointToPointSerial
[16-May-2007 10:44:19] <Bulwinkle> yeah, the GUI is a LOT different
[16-May-2007 10:50:01] <Bulwinkle> Where should $ZENHOME be set?
[16-May-2007 10:50:55] <kompressor> Bulwinkle, i think its /usr/local/zenoss hmmmm not sure
[16-May-2007 10:51:48] <Bulwinkle> I mean where is the variable set /etc/profile or what
[16-May-2007 10:52:08] <chet> Usually it is set in the .bash_profile in your zenoss user's home directory.
[16-May-2007 10:56:06] <Bulwinkle> chet: GRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! http://pastebin.mozilla.org/62673
[16-May-2007 10:56:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[16-May-2007 10:56:12] <Bulwinkle> same old problem, blank output
[16-May-2007 11:05:00] <chet> Try this again: /bin/sh -c 'exec /opt/zenoss/libexec/check_ifoperstatus -k 13 -H 192.168.186.38 -C mibcms'
[16-May-2007 11:07:58] <chet> hmm.. exit code 126. I think that indicates a non-executable file. What are the permissions on your $ZENHOME/libexec/check_ifoperstatus file?
[16-May-2007 11:16:04] <Bulwinkle> chet: I think you're going to want to kill me
[16-May-2007 11:16:07] <giesen> This is probably covered in an FAQ somewhere, but is there any expected timeline for a 2.0 release?
[16-May-2007 11:18:52] <chet> Bulwinkle: I doubt it.. that's usually what people tell me when they've found the solution to their own problem.
[16-May-2007 11:19:29] <Bulwinkle> chet: problem still isn't solved but I didn't do a make install on the nagios plugins which is apparently needed
[16-May-2007 11:20:12] <chet> giesen: No specific date. It'll be released once all the blocking bugs from the beta are squashed.
[16-May-2007 11:23:18] <chet> giesen: I like to keep an eye on this RSS feed: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&format=rss&priority=blocker&milestone=zenoss-2.0&order=priority
[16-May-2007 11:23:18] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss: Ticket Query (at dev.zenoss.org)
[16-May-2007 11:23:18] <chet> It lists the current blocking tickets for 2.0
[16-May-2007 11:27:43] <Bulwinkle> chet: Here is what I'm getting now in the event manager : - Code: 1 - Msg: General error
[16-May-2007 11:28:31] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'm getting something in the performance data now!
[16-May-2007 11:28:49] <chet> Paste up the zencommand run again.
[16-May-2007 11:31:22] <Bulwinkle> chet: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/62704
[16-May-2007 11:31:22] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[16-May-2007 11:32:54] <chet> That looks perfect.. except it should be "-D i" instead of "-D=i"
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[16-May-2007 11:37:04] <Bulwinkle> chet: it works (blink blink blink)..... now, how do I send alerts on the stuff?
[16-May-2007 11:37:45] <chet> If you setup the typical alerting rule to email everything Error or greater, you'll get these.
[16-May-2007 11:38:06] <Bulwinkle> chet: how does it know it is an error?
[16-May-2007 11:38:17] <Bulwinkle> now I have more questions than before
[16-May-2007 11:38:41] <chet> When you created the command you set the severity to warning. This is a little confusing with the Nagios plugins.
[16-May-2007 11:39:06] <chet> If you set the severity to Warning on the command, a Nagios WARNING will become a Zenoss Warning and a Nagios CRITICAL will become a Zenoss Error.
[16-May-2007 11:39:31] <chet> Basically if the plugin returns critical, it will escalate what you set the severity to by one degree.
[16-May-2007 11:39:50] <chet> That plugins will return critical if an interface is admin up/oper down
[16-May-2007 11:42:31] <Bulwinkle> Thats pretty cool! So I can get it to send out a email after the error is seen 5 consecutive times?
[16-May-2007 11:43:29] <chet> Yeah.. the escalate count will increment the severity one level once it sees the same event that number of times..
[16-May-2007 11:43:50] <chet> So if you wanted to do that, you'd set the severity to Info, and set the escalate count.
[16-May-2007 11:55:13] <Bulwinkle> chet: I noticed they are monitoring my loopback and null interfaces... How do I stop them from doing that by default for all of my Cisco devices?
[16-May-2007 11:58:12] <chet> Setup templates for those types "softwareLoopback" and "Other" with no data sources in them.
[16-May-2007 11:58:15] <chet> At the /Devices level.
[16-May-2007 11:59:04] <chet> Zenoss will by default try to apply the ethernetCsmacd template to interface types it doesn't know about. You stop this behavior by telling it about these interface types.
[16-May-2007 11:59:43] <chet> I had to add one for "ds1" too.
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[16-May-2007 12:05:12] <Bulwinkle> chet: coolio...
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[16-May-2007 12:15:34] <scott_> Hi, can the zenoss appliance run on vmware server?
[16-May-2007 12:18:53] <kompressor> scott_, yes ive tried it before
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[16-May-2007 12:21:08] <scott_> how easy is it to upgrade to new versions using the appliance version?
[16-May-2007 12:22:26] <Bulwinkle> chet: this new version seems to be doing pretty good... I'm going to let it gel for a while and see how it goes....
[16-May-2007 12:29:12] <kompressor> Bulwinkle, you mean 1.9.5?
[16-May-2007 12:29:21] <Bulwinkle> kompressor: yeah
[16-May-2007 12:30:02] <kompressor> ok ...but i think ill wait on 1.1.2 for now...
[16-May-2007 12:30:24] <kompressor> ill be trying to configure more stuff tomorrow...hope youll be here to assist
[16-May-2007 12:30:32] <kompressor> and chet also
[16-May-2007 12:30:37] <kompressor> bye guys
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[16-May-2007 13:25:31] <Bulwinkle> chet: you around? I having trouble adding devices....
[16-May-2007 13:25:38] <chet> yeah
[16-May-2007 13:42:03] <Bulwinkle> I'm having problems adding devices....
[16-May-2007 13:46:44] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'm having trouble adding devices....
[16-May-2007 13:49:30] <Bulwinkle> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 78, in processClient datamaps = plugin.process(device, results, log) File "/opt/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/RouteMap.py", line 61, in process om.routemask = self.maskToBits(om.routemask) AttributeError: 'ObjectMap' object has no attribute 'routemask'
[16-May-2007 13:49:34] <Bulwinkle> Ring a bell?
[16-May-2007 13:54:34] <chet> yeah.. I've had this happen on devices with broken routing mibs.. notably solaris.
[16-May-2007 13:54:47] <chet> What kind of system is yours?
[16-May-2007 13:57:03] <Bulwinkle> chet: Cisco Router
[16-May-2007 13:58:13] <chet> Strange.. none of my Ciscos have that problem. You can remove zenoss.snmp.RouteMap from the zCollectorPlugins to get around it.
[16-May-2007 13:59:32] <Bulwinkle> if I just keep on rescaning it, it works
[16-May-2007 14:04:08] <Bulwinkle> chet: its not pulling any of my interfaces on the first add
[16-May-2007 14:08:25] <chet> Which collector plugins do you have defined?
[16-May-2007 14:08:59] <chet> If it hits an exception anywhere along the line all of the results are lost.
[16-May-2007 14:09:12] <chet> So if it is hitting that routemask exception it won't add the interfaces it found.
[16-May-2007 14:12:53] <Bulwinkle> chet: where do I find my collector plugins?
[16-May-2007 14:13:10] <chet> In the zCollectorPlugins property.
[16-May-2007 14:14:15] <Bulwinkle> under where (I knew ehere it was in the old one)
[16-May-2007 14:14:39] <chet> For a device, More->zProperties. For a device class it is one of the tabs.
[16-May-2007 14:16:25] <Bulwinkle> Devices has: NewDeviceMap, DeviceMap, InterfaceMap, and RouteMap
[16-May-2007 14:17:03] <chet> Go the the device in question and see where it is inheriting it's zCollectorPlugins from.
[16-May-2007 14:17:22] <Bulwinkle> Device/Network/Router/Cisco has the above plus CiscoHSRP and CiscoMap
[16-May-2007 14:18:23] <Bulwinkle> looks like it is the same as Cisco (when I add a device I know is a cisco device I always specify /network/router/cisco
[16-May-2007 14:43:46] <giesen> hey
[16-May-2007 14:43:56] <giesen> is there any way to manually set the interface speed
[16-May-2007 14:44:01] <giesen> in zenoss for an interface
[16-May-2007 14:44:09] <giesen> rather than relying on what snmp tells it (it's misreporting)
[16-May-2007 14:49:42] <giesen> ie I want to change here.speed
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[16-May-2007 18:57:14] <Cireas> Hello
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[16-May-2007 18:57:49] <Cireas> Hello J-Bob
[16-May-2007 18:57:59] <J-Bob> Cireas: Hi!
[16-May-2007 19:00:19] <Cireas> is it possible to get baseboard-management infos with zenoss?
[16-May-2007 19:00:52] <J-Bob> Cireas: what is that?
[16-May-2007 19:01:32] <Cireas> this is the server management on e.g. Intel-Server-Boards.
[16-May-2007 19:02:09] <J-Bob> Cireas: is that information presented in SNMP?
[16-May-2007 19:02:12] <Cireas> Its for information from hardware (e.g. the speed of each fan, etc.)
[16-May-2007 19:02:23] <Cireas> THIS is my problem ,-)
[16-May-2007 19:03:24] <Cireas> I think I need a service that pushes the information of the ipmi or dmi to smnp ...
[16-May-2007 19:03:27] <J-Bob> Cireas: generally speaking how do you get at the info, with a proprietary console of some sort?
[16-May-2007 19:04:01] <Cireas> Yes. For example with the Intel-System-Manager
[16-May-2007 19:04:11] <J-Bob> Cireas: even it it writes to syslog or sends traps, you can alert on it
[16-May-2007 19:04:37] <Cireas> hehe ... i am thinking of windows-servers ;-)
[16-May-2007 19:04:53] <Cireas> In linux it is called lm-sensors ...
[16-May-2007 19:05:14] <J-Bob> Cireas: sounds like a cool project.
[16-May-2007 19:08:00] <Cireas> In linux it should be possible, because of the lm-sensors sources (http://lm-sensors.org), but in Windows it seems i must use Intel-System-Management :-( (never seen such big pile of dirt and complexity)
[16-May-2007 19:08:00] <adytum-bot> Title: lm-sensors - Trac (at lm-sensors.org)
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[16-May-2007 20:36:34] <giesen> i'm getting a zenping heartbeat failure all the time on my zenoss box
[16-May-2007 20:36:39] <giesen> any ideas how to correct it
[16-May-2007 20:46:53] <J-Bob> giesen: have you restarted zenping, then cleared the heartbeats on the event manager tab?
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[16-May-2007 21:07:15] <giesen> I just tried it now
[16-May-2007 21:07:21] <giesen> seems to have solved the problem
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[16-May-2007 21:10:19] <J-Bob> giesen: cool
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[17-May-2007 09:02:45] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: Hey..did you get your ifoperstatus plugin working or do you still need some guidance?
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[17-May-2007 10:59:43] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: got it working thanks!
[17-May-2007 11:04:53] <J-Bob> Wahoo!!!!
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[17-May-2007 11:18:07] <bensherman> Hi all!
[17-May-2007 11:18:16] <bensherman> My head is exploding with cacti and nagios.
[17-May-2007 11:18:28] <bensherman> Is zenoss a suitable replacement for both of those?
[17-May-2007 11:18:48] <bensherman> This package looks too perfect.
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[17-May-2007 11:25:57] <bzed> bensherman: it is,d efinitely
[17-May-2007 11:27:57] <bzed> bensherman: get the vmware image and give it a try
[17-May-2007 11:38:01] <bensherman> grr
[17-May-2007 11:38:07] <bensherman> I'm the only python advocate here.
[17-May-2007 11:38:17] <bensherman> At my office, I mean.
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[17-May-2007 11:40:12] <bzed> tell them it's php
[17-May-2007 11:40:21] <bzed> or show them how much php sucks
[17-May-2007 11:45:08] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: you still around? Apparently it isn't working the way I was hoping
[17-May-2007 11:45:56] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: uh oh...
[17-May-2007 11:46:25] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: it was working great when all of my circuits were up Now I have one down and it isn't reporting it as an error?
[17-May-2007 11:48:15] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: It shows as down when I run the zcommand run -v 10 --device=XXXX on the device with the circuit down... but it doesn't show up as an error
[17-May-2007 11:56:06] <bensherman> Can I configure zenoss to run a script an graph the result? A shell script that counts the number of occurances of "foo" in a text file for instance
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[17-May-2007 12:11:35] <bzed> bensherman: you can use nagios plugins or the zenoss plugins to feed zenoss. if you need a function which is not avaiable in then, jsut write your own one
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[17-May-2007 14:57:24] <Bulwinkle> any Zenoss gurus in the channel?
[17-May-2007 15:48:29] <foo> Just ask
[17-May-2007 15:50:54] <Bulwinkle> anyone know how the zSnmpCommunities string works in 1.9.5? In 1.1.x it used to use them in order to determine which one to use... Doesn't seem to do that in 1.9.5
[17-May-2007 16:01:14] <Bulwinkle> Can the modeler add two different devices at the same time?
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[17-May-2007 16:54:11] <sbb> Hi, in Zenoss 1.1.0, I'm polling everything via snmp every 60 seconds...is there any way to specify certain values only be polled every 5 min?...like disk space?
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[18-May-2007 08:53:56] <Bulwinkle> Does anyone have some settings I can use to improve performance of python and apache as it relates to Zenoss?
[18-May-2007 09:00:17] <iuso> are the {{{ }}} characters in this manual actually part of the command or just wiki formatting? http://community.zenoss.com/docs/zenoss-guide/PartIV/Chapter12/guidechapter_view
[18-May-2007 09:00:17] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[18-May-2007 09:05:53] <iuso> apparently it was just wiki formatting
[18-May-2007 09:06:10] <iuso> should be removed, if anyone here can edit those docs
[18-May-2007 09:08:38] <iuso> but i have a question: what's the correct formatting to include the event summary in the command? i have an SMS sender script, but 'echo ${event/summary} | sendsms' doesn't work. the command is otherwise OK, so apparently ${event/summary} isn't correct
[18-May-2007 09:09:04] <iuso> but what is the correct format then? the doc whose url i pasted is quite obscure
[18-May-2007 09:14:48] <iuso> if i put 'echo foo > /tmp/cmd' i get 'foo' in /tmp/cmd, but 'echo ${event/summary} > /tmp/foo' has no effect
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[18-May-2007 11:03:25] <Bulwinkle> Can someone point me to where to report a bug?
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[18-May-2007 11:46:35] <bzed> Bulwinkle: send a mail to zenoss-dev@zenoss.org
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[18-May-2007 14:27:58] <withoutend> Hello all
[18-May-2007 14:40:09] <withoutend> I have a quick question about Windows WMI
[18-May-2007 14:41:35] <withoutend> mostly: which ports do I need to keep open when I turn the firewall on
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[18-May-2007 14:58:19] <withoutend> anyone?
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[18-May-2007 15:08:19] <withoutend> ok. Well, how about getting a WMI failed 67 message?
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[18-May-2007 16:11:34] <Bulwinkle> man, 1.9.6 really hosed some of my stuff up, anyone here to help?
[18-May-2007 16:46:22] <Bulwinkle> Anyone here that can help loading in MIBS?
[18-May-2007 16:47:24] <_chris_> Bulwinkle: did you try to load them using zenmib?
[18-May-2007 16:48:06] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: yeah, I get a few skipping file the Failed to load mib /opt/zenoss/share/mibs/site/FILES
[18-May-2007 16:48:16] <_chris_> hmmm
[18-May-2007 16:48:18] <_chris_> no core dump tho?
[18-May-2007 16:48:45] <Bulwinkle> core dump?
[18-May-2007 16:48:48] <Bulwinkle> nah
[18-May-2007 16:48:49] <_chris_> ya -
[18-May-2007 16:48:51] <Bulwinkle> just errors
[18-May-2007 16:48:52] <_chris_> zenmib used to core dump
[18-May-2007 16:48:55] <_chris_> if there were mib files
[18-May-2007 16:48:58] <_chris_> that referenced other mib files
[18-May-2007 16:48:59] <_chris_> that didn't exist
[18-May-2007 16:49:07] <_chris_> cause zenmib used net-snmp's lib files to parse
[18-May-2007 16:49:19] <_chris_> and they'd crap out when mibs referenced mibs that didn't exist
[18-May-2007 16:49:54] <Bulwinkle> here is a pastebin http://pastebin.mozilla.org/65443
[18-May-2007 16:49:54] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[18-May-2007 16:50:17] <_chris_> ya -
[18-May-2007 16:50:20] <_chris_> that's what happens
[18-May-2007 16:50:33] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: shouldn't it work?
[18-May-2007 16:50:37] <_chris_> if you run the smidump -fpython -p "/opt/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf/RFC1213-MIB" -p ....
[18-May-2007 16:50:38] <_chris_> blah blah blah
[18-May-2007 16:50:42] <_chris_> i'll bet you'll SIGSEGV
[18-May-2007 16:50:45] <_chris_> try and run that command
[18-May-2007 16:50:52] <_chris_> but don't 2>& /dev/null
[18-May-2007 16:52:03] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: so, what do I do to get them loaded?
[18-May-2007 16:52:59] <_chris_> what i usually do in this situation
[18-May-2007 16:53:19] <_chris_> i try to use snmptranslate
[18-May-2007 16:53:43] <_chris_> use the -m argument
[18-May-2007 16:53:47] <_chris_> it's like -mALL
[18-May-2007 16:53:56] <_chris_> you might have to also pass -d/opt/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf
[18-May-2007 16:54:06] <_chris_> and try to translate some OIDS from the cisco mibs
[18-May-2007 16:54:21] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: so, there isn't an easy fix?
[18-May-2007 16:54:21] <_chris_> snmptranslate will warn you about: "hey CISCO-MIB is trying to import a non-existant mib"
[18-May-2007 16:54:24] <_chris_> find those other mibs
[18-May-2007 16:54:27] <_chris_> and that'll help
[18-May-2007 16:54:58] <Bulwinkle> Okie, I'll tackle it monday. Thanks for the help. Every have a great weekend!
[18-May-2007 16:55:05] <_chris_> you too!
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[18-May-2007 16:56:16] <_chris_> back to the jimi hendrix for me... ;-)
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[18-May-2007 17:29:32] <drv4doe> darkhorse: would be centriccrm darkhorse?
[18-May-2007 17:35:18] <drv4doe> j-bob?
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[18-May-2007 17:45:27] <drv4doe> buhbye
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[18-May-2007 20:06:38] <WolfeWLU> Anybody run into an issue with modeling a Solaris Zone where Zenoss tracebacks because it can't find a RouteMap?
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[20-May-2007 22:02:17] <Snake-Eyes> this is very strange i have this box which zenoss thinks is sending 400 mb of traffic even thou its 100mb network card, some how the amount of traffic throughput zenoss calutaltes for this seems to be at least 1000 off, yet its using the same templates as other machines.
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[21-May-2007 06:09:10] <iuso> how can i add the event summary as argument in an event command?
[21-May-2007 06:09:48] <iuso> i tried adding the command 'echo ${dev/manageIp} > /tmp/test' and it worked, but i don't know what the variable is for the event summary
[21-May-2007 06:10:04] <iuso> i tried with ${event/summary} but that does nothing
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[21-May-2007 12:57:37] <ke4qqq> hey guys, I am trying to setup a Zenoss beta 2 machine.....and would like to use a remote db server.....is that possible?
[21-May-2007 12:57:55] <ke4qqq> if so where do I tell it the location of the remote web server?
[21-May-2007 12:58:01] <ke4qqq> corr: remote db server
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[21-May-2007 14:26:05] <PY1NB> whats better? zenoss or nagios? why?
[21-May-2007 14:43:18] <pack> zenoss....cause you are in it's irc channel.
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[21-May-2007 15:38:09] <illsci> hey whats up
[21-May-2007 15:38:16] <illsci> does zenoss support snmpv3?
[21-May-2007 15:40:53] <illsci> ahhh ok
[21-May-2007 15:40:57] <illsci> 2.0 release..
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[21-May-2007 16:53:10] <bts3685|work> has anyone gotten zenoss on a debian system?
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[21-May-2007 17:24:57] <bzed> bts3685|work: we're working on debian packages for it
[21-May-2007 17:25:27] <bts3685|work> bzed: any idea when those will be ready? i'm trying to choose between groundworks and zenoss
[21-May-2007 17:25:28] <bzed> bts3685|work: there's a howto in the forum on how to install it with as many avaiable packages as possible, wanna have a link?
[21-May-2007 17:26:00] <bzed> bts3685|work: as it seems we're trying to get them finished during the debcamp/debconf in june
[21-May-2007 17:26:19] <bzed> we spent most of the time with dependencies until now
[21-May-2007 17:26:29] <bts3685|work> oh wow! that's great news, bzed!
[21-May-2007 17:27:01] <bts3685|work> bzed: a link would be great if it's not too much trouble
[21-May-2007 17:27:26] <bzed> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1551&highlight=
[21-May-2007 17:27:26] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Installing on Debian etch using mostly native packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[21-May-2007 17:27:33] <bzed> you'll ahve to find a way to upgrade from that to debian packages though
[21-May-2007 17:27:49] <bzed> we'll not support such installations with the debian packages
[21-May-2007 17:27:55] <bzed> but I guess it's enough to try it out
[21-May-2007 17:27:59] <bzed> or just use the vmware image
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[21-May-2007 17:29:03] <bts3685|work> thanks. yeah, we're mainly concerned with learning the system before we implement it. i'll forward this irc session to my partner. looks great! you've been a big help, it's been a pleasure
[21-May-2007 17:29:17] <grew> can anyone point me to a guide as to how to configure zensyslog to write logfiles in /var/log as described in http://community.zenoss.com/docs/howtos/syslog-overview
[21-May-2007 17:29:17] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
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[21-May-2007 17:29:17] <grew> i cant seem to find documentation on zensyslog anywhere
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[21-May-2007 17:31:23] <lst> is there documentation somewhere for the xmlrpc interfaces?
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[21-May-2007 17:51:32] <illsci> i run zenoss on debian....
[21-May-2007 17:56:09] <bzed> illsci: how did you isntall it?
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[21-May-2007 18:08:37] <lst> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/browser/trunk/Products/ZenHub/XmlRpcService.py
[21-May-2007 18:08:37] <adytum-bot> Title: /trunk/Products/ZenHub/XmlRpcService.py - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[21-May-2007 18:08:37] <lst> fyi.
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[21-May-2007 19:21:42] <py1nb_on_shack> what is the default user password for a fresh rpm install?
[21-May-2007 19:28:14] <py1nb_on_shack> heloooo
[21-May-2007 19:28:59] <bzed> i think admin - zenoss
[21-May-2007 19:29:33] <py1nb_on_shack> cool! great success!
[21-May-2007 19:32:31] <py1nb_on_shack> bzed: is there any google maps integration with zenoss?
[21-May-2007 19:32:46] <bzed> not as far as I know
[21-May-2007 19:32:58] <py1nb_on_shack> ;(
[21-May-2007 19:33:02] <py1nb_on_shack> that would be cool
[21-May-2007 19:37:44] <bzed> py1nb_on_shack: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/1543
[21-May-2007 19:37:44] <adytum-bot> Title: #1543 (google maps integration - where the hell is my machine/network/....?) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[21-May-2007 19:40:57] <py1nb_on_shack> tnx
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[21-May-2007 19:41:54] <py1nb_on_shack> bzed: I was starting to deploy nagios here, but then zenosss came across
[21-May-2007 19:42:00] <py1nb_on_shack> seems rather nice
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[21-May-2007 19:45:09] <bzed> py1nb_on_shack: much more nice than nagios. nagios is pain in the ass
[21-May-2007 19:48:13] <py1nb_on_shack> I agree so far
[21-May-2007 19:48:44] <py1nb_on_shack> where does bzed stores data? all in mysql? can I add devices for it monitor remotely?
[21-May-2007 19:48:54] <py1nb_on_shack> ops, where does zenoss...
[21-May-2007 19:50:33] <bzed> afaik mysql is only used to store events
[21-May-2007 19:50:53] <bzed> and afaik one of those little tools is able to add devices via command line, but I'm not sure
[21-May-2007 19:51:23] <bzed> didn;t have the time to play with it, spent it all on packaging it for debian
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[21-May-2007 19:57:04] <py1nb_on_shack> ok
[21-May-2007 20:00:33] <py1nb_on_shack> does it generate graphs to devices per default? or do I need to tell zenoss to do it?
[21-May-2007 20:03:05] <bzed> i thinkit graphs everythign it knows about
[21-May-2007 20:03:16] <bzed> for unknown devices you need to add mibs and probably templates
[21-May-2007 20:04:59] <py1nb_on_shack> ok
[21-May-2007 20:05:28] <py1nb_on_shack> does it auto discover devices?
[21-May-2007 20:05:51] <bzed> yes
[21-May-2007 20:06:05] <bzed> you can enable that somewhere I think, or use zendisc or however the tool was called
[21-May-2007 20:06:15] <bzed> that stuff changed between 1.1 and the 2.0 beta
[21-May-2007 20:06:25] <bzed> you wanna test the 2.0 beta if you're not in a hurry btw
[21-May-2007 20:08:42] <py1nb_on_shack> I am, I need to deply this quickly.
[21-May-2007 20:11:36] <bzed> i guess there'll be an upgrade path when 2.0 is out
[21-May-2007 20:12:06] <py1nb_on_shack> that would be cool, so job wouldnt be lost
[21-May-2007 20:12:23] <py1nb_on_shack> so far it seems fantastic
[21-May-2007 20:13:15] <bzed> that's why we're packaging it for debian
[21-May-2007 20:13:19] <bzed> which is a TON of work
[21-May-2007 20:13:47] <bzed> but the zenos dev team is fantastic, they fix all problems we find in a very short time
[21-May-2007 20:14:37] <bzed> although I sometimes thought they'd now start to hate me after sending a blocking ticket for 2.0, the reaction was like: yes, you're absolutely right... and a few hours later... fixed
[21-May-2007 20:16:24] <py1nb_on_shack> thats fantastic
[21-May-2007 20:16:38] <py1nb_on_shack> can I add a host whic doesnt have snmp?
[21-May-2007 20:16:54] <bzed> you can use the zenoss plugins or the nagios plugins
[21-May-2007 20:17:20] <bzed> if you need to have remote agents sitting in some remote, probably nat-ted networks, you'll have to look into 2.0
[21-May-2007 20:17:46] <bzed> but the zenoss and nagios plugins work well, there's a howto in the wiki on how to set them up properly
[21-May-2007 20:17:59] <py1nb_on_shack> ok
[21-May-2007 20:18:19] <py1nb_on_shack> I would just like to check if a given host would answer on certain tcp port
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[21-May-2007 20:19:34] <bzed> py1nb_on_shack: that's something the nagios plugins should be capable to to, probably the zenoss plugins, too
[21-May-2007 20:19:57] <bzed> in the worst case it's plain easy to write a plugin
[21-May-2007 20:22:51] <py1nb_on_shack> how do I enable/load the plugin?
[21-May-2007 20:25:03] <bzed> no clue, read the wiki please
[21-May-2007 20:25:18] <py1nb_on_shack> ok
[21-May-2007 20:26:33] <bzed> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate
[21-May-2007 20:26:33] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToNagiosCreateTemplate - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[21-May-2007 20:29:11] <py1nb_on_shack> I see that there is a check_tcp script laying there on libexec
[21-May-2007 20:30:06] <bzed> i think that's a nagios plugin
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[21-May-2007 20:35:45] <py1nb_on_shack> hmmm I added the thing, cant find how to associate it to a given host
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[21-May-2007 20:38:11] <py1nb_on_shack> well, I will check this tomorrow, so far, so good!
[21-May-2007 20:40:41] <py1nb_on_shack> bzed, can you suggest those guys something? the ability to store information about devices, like "captains log". In such way that the information would be tied to the ipaddress and to the mac (in case one device has its ip changed, moved to another location, etc?)
[21-May-2007 20:46:11] <bzed> py1nb_on_shack: please do me a favour and mail those wishes at zenoss-dev@zenoss.org or at my addy bernd@bzed.de - what ever you prefer. I need to get up in 4.5 hours :|
[21-May-2007 20:46:13] <bzed> n8n8
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[21-May-2007 22:15:55] <illsci> hey when is 2.0 comming out?
[21-May-2007 22:46:19] <illsci> anyone alive? how can i verify that zenoss is working correctly.... I am trying to add my first device and the Discovery Protocol drop down only has snmp and none, there is no portscan or ssh and also the device class path has only /
[21-May-2007 22:46:35] <illsci> is this not connected to a database or soemthing.... what causes this..
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[22-May-2007 05:34:32] <monrad_> anyone played around with the new rrdtool code?
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[22-May-2007 05:58:22] <xinit> hi!
[22-May-2007 05:58:56] <xinit> I'm checking out the 2.0 beta, but for some reason IP services don't appear for a device I added. Have they been moved?
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[22-May-2007 06:32:40] <pressureman> hi, i've seen some discussion on one of the lists about debian/ubuntu packages. are there any betas of these kicking around yet?
[22-May-2007 06:34:46] <foo> pressureman: hm, I just installed from source on ubuntu recently. Didn't have any issues, hmph
[22-May-2007 06:35:37] <pressureman> foo: thanks, will do so if we decide to use seriously. will take a nosey at the vm for now...
[22-May-2007 06:36:07] <pressureman> would be nice to see it packaged as a .deb at some point however
[22-May-2007 06:36:09] <foo> pressureman: hm, nice. I'm testing it myself. I've seen it live in person, heard talks on it... so I'm probably going to move to it.
[22-May-2007 06:36:16] <foo> pressureman: Definitely, I think the package is still growing.
[22-May-2007 06:36:19] <foo> I mean, project
[22-May-2007 06:36:26] <foo> Hm, aren't they always... hehe
[22-May-2007 06:36:53] <pressureman> we're using a commercial, win32 solution called hostmon at present, which i and a few of the other engineers are not that impressed with.
[22-May-2007 06:37:19] <pressureman> no network baselines, no sla reports... it's either not capable of them, or they so hard to set up that nobody has bothered
[22-May-2007 06:37:40] <foo> hm, "commercial win30 solution" is enough to deter me
[22-May-2007 06:37:50] <foo>
[22-May-2007 06:37:54] <foo> We're currently on nagios
[22-May-2007 06:37:56] <pressureman> heh... legacy stuff
[22-May-2007 06:38:04] <pressureman> ah, yes i've used nagios before
[22-May-2007 06:38:20] <pressureman> i think i just about wore out a keyboard configuring it
[22-May-2007 06:38:24] <foo>
[22-May-2007 06:38:49] <pressureman> i have memories of needing to restart it a lot whenever making changes
[22-May-2007 06:39:14] <foo> hmm, yeah. That's not too bad, though, I don't think
[22-May-2007 06:39:32] <pressureman> we're looking at both zabbix and zenoss... althought just the fact that zenoss is python is an advantage, imho
[22-May-2007 06:39:33] <foo> I guess my main reason for zenoss is the easy web interface (I can do configs, but time is precious), and graphing abilities
[22-May-2007 06:40:00] <foo> Not to mention, nagios has a bigger learning curve than zenoss
[22-May-2007 06:40:02] <pressureman> i've used mrtg waaay back, and cacti more recently
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[22-May-2007 06:40:33] <foo> Hm, even though I'm close to knowing how to do most of what it has to offer... still some quirks I can't seem to get around
[22-May-2007 06:40:33] <foo> ah, I see
[22-May-2007 06:40:33] <foo> Nice
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[22-May-2007 06:40:44] <pressureman> i configured nagios to monitor quite a large number of hosts, but it's a lot of work to set up
[22-May-2007 06:41:15] <pressureman> would be nice to just point something at an snmp-enabled host, maybe supply a mib, and have it do an snmpwalk, then ask me what i want to monitor
[22-May-2007 06:41:39] <foo> mhmm, nice
[22-May-2007 06:41:44] <pressureman> monitoring custom oids in cacti is a "wtf?" moment....
[22-May-2007 06:41:49] <foo> haha
[22-May-2007 06:42:01] <foo> Hm, I'm not too familiar with the snmp stuff.
[22-May-2007 06:42:09] <pressureman> you can't just feed it a mib. you have to reinvent the wheel and program the oids into cacti, so it can build an xml template
[22-May-2007 06:42:22] <foo> I've always done active checks, and passive checks (nrpe / nsca)
[22-May-2007 06:42:52] <foo> Hm, that sounds laborous
[22-May-2007 06:43:08] <pressureman> yeah, most of our snmp stuff is active polling too... although hostmon uses it's own agent, which probably has flakey security
[22-May-2007 06:43:54] <pressureman> i'm trying to educate my colleagues that we need to set up more snmp traps, so we get instant notification of a failure, not have to wait for the next poll
[22-May-2007 06:44:52] <pressureman> half the guys didn't even know what snmp was until i explained it to them.... too used to running proprietary solutions with closed source, proprietary agents
[22-May-2007 06:45:12] <foo> ah
[22-May-2007 06:45:21] * foo needs to read up on snmp
[22-May-2007 06:45:22] <pressureman> i'm slowly convincing them that open standards are a Good Thing
[22-May-2007 06:45:28] <foo> I've heard about it, a ton, but never really understood it
[22-May-2007 06:45:30] <foo>
[22-May-2007 06:45:55] * foo congratulates pressureman
[22-May-2007 06:46:11] <pressureman> you should read up about it... it's a pretty big piece of the puzzle for network management
[22-May-2007 06:46:44] <foo> Yeah, that's what I thought
[22-May-2007 06:47:12] <pressureman> well, i've downloaded the beta vm... will have a play with it tomorrow, and probably drop by here again in the near future
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[22-May-2007 07:12:52] <xinit> aha
[22-May-2007 07:12:57] <xinit> got the ip services
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[22-May-2007 07:22:36] <foo> nice
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[22-May-2007 08:10:14] <PY1NB> hi there
[22-May-2007 08:10:16] <PY1NB> hi bzed
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[22-May-2007 08:28:01] <xinit> I configured a couple of http services
[22-May-2007 08:28:11] <xinit> I disable them and get a critical event
[22-May-2007 08:28:12] <xinit> that's ok
[22-May-2007 08:28:38] <xinit> but when I enable the services again, I see normal traffic (using tcpdump), but zenoss doesn't see that the service is up again
[22-May-2007 08:28:58] <xinit> events keep on counting
[22-May-2007 08:29:22] <xinit> or am I doing something wrong
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[22-May-2007 08:30:34] <illsci> morning
[22-May-2007 08:31:19] <xinit> and where are the device definitions stored? they're not in the database right?
[22-May-2007 08:38:28] <xinit> strange..
[22-May-2007 08:38:36] <xinit> services don't come up again
[22-May-2007 08:38:50] <xinit> although I see zenoss making a succesful tcp connection
[22-May-2007 08:43:08] <xinit> next to that, if I want to do a REST call, http://admin:zenoss@myhost/blahblah still gives me the login form
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[22-May-2007 08:43:20] <xinit> ?
[22-May-2007 08:47:55] <illsci> If you have zenoss setup but you don't see any default classes.... all I see is / is that normal?
[22-May-2007 08:48:08] <illsci> isn't there a bunch of default class's like /Network /Linux and stuff....
[22-May-2007 08:48:15] <illsci> if I dont get those what am I missing...
[22-May-2007 08:53:11] <illsci> oh wow.... zenoss is headquartered in annapolis?
[22-May-2007 08:53:33] <illsci> that's sweet
[22-May-2007 08:54:43] <xinit> mhh
[22-May-2007 08:55:03] <xinit> and where do the custom views go in the 2.0 beta2?
[22-May-2007 08:56:10] <illsci> hey are any of the zenoss guys in here?
[22-May-2007 08:56:45] <PY1NB> how far are we from 2.0?
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[22-May-2007 09:00:00] <xinit> ah
[22-May-2007 09:00:06] <xinit> I should use the zope interface, right?
[22-May-2007 09:04:22] <illsci> such a small world
[22-May-2007 09:16:56] <xinit> man
[22-May-2007 09:17:01] <xinit> docs of zenoss suck
[22-May-2007 09:17:08] <xinit> try to make a simple dashboard
[22-May-2007 09:17:13] <xinit> but I failed
[22-May-2007 09:26:27] <xinit> no developers online?
[22-May-2007 09:27:34] <xinit> getSimpleDashboardInfo gives me the correct hosts
[22-May-2007 09:27:40] <xinit> but the view doesn't work
[22-May-2007 09:27:47] <xinit> next to that, I still need to login
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[22-May-2007 09:58:03] <xinit> man
[22-May-2007 09:58:05] <xinit> got it
[22-May-2007 09:58:42] <xinit> code is just buggy
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[22-May-2007 11:39:18] <giesen> are the lights on the interface list supposed to update dynamically?
[22-May-2007 11:39:38] <giesen> they don't seem to update unless you recollect configuration
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[22-May-2007 11:45:58] <jakehow> hey guys, so are there hardware requirements guidelines for zenoss?
[22-May-2007 11:46:22] <giesen> lots of ram.
[22-May-2007 11:46:27] <giesen> 1 GB minimum
[22-May-2007 11:48:15] <jakehow> giesen: does it eat more ram as you ad more monitors?
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[22-May-2007 11:58:45] <giesen> somewhat
[22-May-2007 11:58:50] <giesen> but it's the baseload that's pretty high
[22-May-2007 11:58:58] <giesen> as you add more monitors, it starts eating more into cpu than memory
[22-May-2007 11:59:10] <giesen> the thing will use almost 500 MB without any monitors
[22-May-2007 11:59:25] <giesen> the nagios plugins really gobble up CPU
[22-May-2007 11:59:52] <giesen> but if you have the choice between memory and CPU, go for memory every time
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[22-May-2007 13:44:13] <zor0> I'm having trouble getting a nagios plugin to run, but I think I can debug it once I get zenoss to run the thing
[22-May-2007 13:44:39] <zor0> I have it set as a data collector in the devices class and in the device itself, but it doesn't work, and the logs don't show it being run at all
[22-May-2007 13:45:06] <zor0> how many different settings can affect which plugins do and don't run at collection?
[22-May-2007 13:47:26] <zor0> is there anyone in here who isn't AFK?
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[22-May-2007 15:33:55] <giesen> zor0: does it work if you run the command manually?
[22-May-2007 15:36:04] <zor0> giesen: yes, its not a real plugin even, its just a script that logs its input, writes '7' to STDOUT, and gives an exit code of 1
[22-May-2007 15:36:18] <zor0> Its just intended to see if I can make zenoss run anything
[22-May-2007 15:36:35] <zor0> and it does run correctly when I run it as the zenoss user from the command line
[22-May-2007 15:37:21] <zor0> eventually I'm going to be implimenting my own data collectors, and I don't have any standard nagios ones that I want to use, so I just wrote a quck prototype
[22-May-2007 15:41:09] <zor0> giesen: are you there?
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[22-May-2007 15:42:13] <PY1NB> hi there
[22-May-2007 15:42:15] <PY1NB> hi bzed
[22-May-2007 15:50:23] <PY1NB> how far are we from zenoss 2.0?
[22-May-2007 15:52:26] <enots> one digit =)
[22-May-2007 15:56:09] <PY1NB> days? years?
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[22-May-2007 19:49:40] <zor0> I'm having trouble setting up zenoss, there seems to be a major lack of documentation
[22-May-2007 19:50:01] <zor0> can anyone here tell me more about how the command line plugin system works for nagios style data collectors?
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[22-May-2007 20:18:35] <omar> hi
[22-May-2007 20:18:51] <omar> I added a 3660 router and want to know if it's possible to make that a user be able to see only one vlan.
[22-May-2007 20:18:53] <omar> For example,I detect some vlans like:
[22-May-2007 20:18:54] <omar> /Devices /Network /Router/Cisco/MPSNet3660IE/os /Fa0_1.6
[22-May-2007 20:18:56] <omar> How can I make that user "oarmas" be able to see only this interface?
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[22-May-2007 22:55:20] <giesen> anyone still alive?
[22-May-2007 22:55:39] <giesen> I need to know how to use the zcommand username/password in a command template
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[22-May-2007 23:15:42] * giesen kicks the crap out of his zenoss box with even more nagios plugins
[22-May-2007 23:17:11] <foo> giesen:
[22-May-2007 23:17:33] <giesen> the damn thing is running full bore and cant keep up
[22-May-2007 23:18:12] <giesen> I just hacked up some ugly expect scripts
[22-May-2007 23:18:19] <giesen> to get a bgp prefix count out of a router
[22-May-2007 23:19:24] <giesen> and wrapped them in a nagios-compliant perl wrapper
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[23-May-2007 05:10:54] <xinit> any developers here?
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[23-May-2007 05:37:17] <xinit> where can I set check_http in the 2.0 beta for different machines?
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[23-May-2007 06:48:33] <xinit> mhh
[23-May-2007 06:48:44] <xinit> what's zen.Zenstatus: iteration of non-sequence?
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[23-May-2007 08:29:02] <PY1NB> hi hi
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[23-May-2007 09:29:37] <bkingx> Let me ask a dumb question:
[23-May-2007 09:29:51] <bkingx> I just installed, what is the url to open zenoss?
[23-May-2007 09:30:40] <iuso> hostname:8080
[23-May-2007 09:31:02] <bkingx> I do that and get the generic zope page
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[23-May-2007 09:56:36] <sdunn> I usually use hostname:8080/zport/dmd
[23-May-2007 09:56:55] <sdunn> Not sure if that's what you're looking for...
[23-May-2007 09:58:18] <bkingx> sdunn: I think that is.
[23-May-2007 09:58:34] <bkingx> I am going to try a fresh install from scratch and see if it works any better.
[23-May-2007 09:59:14] <bkingx> BTW, installing on Ubuntu Fiesty running on a MAC.
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[23-May-2007 10:42:20] <giesen> bkingx: how old is the version you're using
[23-May-2007 10:42:31] <giesen> you shouldnt have had to specify /zport/dmd for quite a few releases now
[23-May-2007 10:43:05] <bkingx> I believe it was 1.9? I am doing a fresh install from svn right now.
[23-May-2007 10:43:16] <giesen> oh you're trying the betas
[23-May-2007 10:43:18] <bkingx> Installation is going smooth.
[23-May-2007 10:43:30] <bkingx> I digress....I think it was 1.1
[23-May-2007 10:43:41] <giesen> hrm
[23-May-2007 10:43:49] <giesen> I feel so dirty
[23-May-2007 10:44:00] <giesen> I'm pulling prefix counts from my routers with expect scripts
[23-May-2007 10:44:02] <bkingx> LOL... how come?
[23-May-2007 10:44:17] <bkingx> Ah!
[23-May-2007 10:44:26] <bkingx> This is a fantastic app!
[23-May-2007 10:44:35] <giesen> yes it is
[23-May-2007 10:44:50] <giesen> just don't go nuts with the nagios plugins like I do =)
[23-May-2007 10:44:53] <bkingx> I am running the VM version on my local machine while doing a parallel install on the server.
[23-May-2007 10:45:01] <giesen> otherwise you'll need gobs of ram and CPU
[23-May-2007 10:45:09] <bkingx> Naw...I just need basic ping, for the most part.
[23-May-2007 10:45:25] <giesen> I like to graph *everything*
[23-May-2007 10:45:32] <giesen> I'm a graph whore
[23-May-2007 10:47:40] <bkingx> I just found nagios WAY to convoluted.
[23-May-2007 10:48:29] <giesen> well zenoss certainly has its quirks
[23-May-2007 10:48:37] <giesen> but the fact it actually has a decent appreciation of SNMP is nice
[23-May-2007 10:48:45] <giesen> and the ability to use nagios plugins is pimp too
[23-May-2007 10:48:58] <giesen> to do stuff that cant be done via SNMP
[23-May-2007 10:49:02] <bkingx> yes sir!
[23-May-2007 10:49:16] <giesen> for example, grabbing prefix counts off my router =)
[23-May-2007 10:51:19] <bzed> if you don;t like the nagios plugins, enhance the zenoss plugins instead
[23-May-2007 10:54:15] <giesen> I like them
[23-May-2007 10:54:21] <giesen> they're just a bit of a pig =)
[23-May-2007 10:55:00] <giesen> part of the problem is I'm doing ping graphing to like 70 hosts
[23-May-2007 10:55:18] <giesen> which when the new ping graphing stuff comes out, I can do away with the nagios plugins for those
[23-May-2007 10:56:07] <giesen> and the zenoss plugins run on the host you're monitoring, do they not?
[23-May-2007 10:56:16] <giesen> most of my nagios plugins run locally
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[23-May-2007 11:00:07] <bzed> yeah, afaik they run on the host
[23-May-2007 11:00:12] <giesen> yeah
[23-May-2007 11:00:22] <giesen> that doesn't help me for 99% of stuff unfortunately
[23-May-2007 11:00:31] <bzed> but you could run them on any host, just code it as you like it
[23-May-2007 11:00:39] <bzed> imho they should be a bit more plugin-like
[23-May-2007 11:00:47] <bzed> too much in one file at the moment
[23-May-2007 11:01:05] <bzed> when the debian packages for zenoss are ready, I'll look into that
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[23-May-2007 11:22:40] <zor0> I have a question about PerfConf templates
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[23-May-2007 11:24:26] <zor0> I have a template set up in my device tree, and that device tree object has one device, which is still inheriting the default "Device" template instead of my custom one
[23-May-2007 11:24:49] <zor0> acording to the Zenoss Administration guide, the template that is "closest" to the device will be used, whats going on?
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[23-May-2007 11:41:40] <jenocin> hey people, I'm on suse 10.2, seem to be hitting a common problem, just can't find the answer out on the web, i'm getting the following message when I go to install: /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/local/zenoss/bin/mkzopeinstance.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
[23-May-2007 11:45:10] <zor0> jenocin: are you running it as the zenoss user?
[23-May-2007 11:51:50] <jenocin> zor0: yeah, made it a system user, is that ok?
[23-May-2007 11:52:05] <jenocin> then did a sudo -u zenoss ./install.sh
[23-May-2007 11:54:24] <zor0> well, thats right, if the installer is unpacking the files correctly and the permissions are right, I don't know what to tell you
[23-May-2007 11:54:41] <zor0> I installed on a debian 3.1 box with no problems
[23-May-2007 11:54:52] <zor0> from source actually
[23-May-2007 11:55:01] <jenocin> i was scanning the web and its come up before, just not sure, it like the mkzopeinstance.py is not being created
[23-May-2007 11:55:02] <zor0> are you using a packaged version of zenoss?
[23-May-2007 11:55:06] <bkingx> What is the typical install time for Zenoss? Seems to take a long time! About 30-45 minutes.
[23-May-2007 11:55:08] <jenocin> nope, tarball
[23-May-2007 11:55:18] <zor0> hm, alright
[23-May-2007 11:55:30] <jenocin> had to recomple, on a x86_64 box
[23-May-2007 11:55:35] <zor0> what version are you running? is it a bleeding edge svn copy or something?
[23-May-2007 11:55:37] <bkingx> granted, small cpu and only 768MB RAM
[23-May-2007 11:56:03] <zor0> bkingx: yeah, install time is high, and installing is a pain, but thats source installs in general for ya
[23-May-2007 11:56:39] <jenocin> zenoss-1.1.2.tar.gz
[23-May-2007 11:56:42] <zor0> bkingx: set up webgui once, thats fun, one source install that loads apache2, mysql, perl, and a huge pile of cgis
[23-May-2007 11:57:03] <bkingx> OK...just making sure I wasn't doing anything wrong.
[23-May-2007 11:57:04] <zor0> jenocin: yeah, thats the same version I'm running, sorry I can't help much
[23-May-2007 11:57:29] <zor0> maybe look for that file, see if its being installed in the wrong place or with some bizare permissions
[23-May-2007 11:57:56] <jenocin> cool, i'll check it out, recreating the user and dirs now just to make sure everything is right
[23-May-2007 11:58:12] <jenocin> does anything in the env need to be set ahead of time
[23-May-2007 11:58:56] <zor0> yeah, follow the source install guide
[23-May-2007 11:59:14] <zor0> theres a few things you'll need to add to the zenoss users .profile or .bash_rc or somewhere they'll be loaded
[23-May-2007 11:59:29] <zor0> $ZENHOME and a few others
[23-May-2007 11:59:30] <jenocin> got a link for the guide
[23-May-2007 11:59:44] <jenocin> yeah I added those, but recreating everything again to be on the safe side
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[23-May-2007 12:00:12] <thehawk> hello
[23-May-2007 12:00:37] <thehawk> i am trying to install zenoss on centos 5.0 and we are having some issues...do you know if centos 5 is supported ?
[23-May-2007 12:04:39] <thehawk> hello...is this an active channel?
[23-May-2007 12:06:12] <bkingx> It IS active
[23-May-2007 12:06:53] <bkingx> thehawk: I do not know, but if someone else here does, I am sure they will speak up.
[23-May-2007 12:07:12] <thehawk>
[23-May-2007 12:07:15] <thehawk> sounds good...thanks
[23-May-2007 12:07:21] <bkingx> NP!
[23-May-2007 12:07:54] <zor0> hey, can someone here help me figure out why my device is using the wrong RRD Template?
[23-May-2007 12:11:33] <jenocin> hey, wheres the doc with the environment variables on a manual install?
[23-May-2007 12:12:04] <zor0> ok, so, this ISNT an active channel?
[23-May-2007 12:12:31] <zor0> jenocin: it should be a section in the source install guide
[23-May-2007 12:12:43] <zor0> I already spent 2 days digging through all those details
[23-May-2007 12:13:00] <zor0> zenoss looks great but its going to be a phenominal pain in the ass to use until the documentation catches up
[23-May-2007 12:13:19] <zor0> but thats 2.0
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[23-May-2007 12:28:56] <omarmx> I added a 3660 router and want to know if it's possible to make that a user be able to see only one vlan.
[23-May-2007 12:28:58] <omarmx> For example,I detect some vlans like:
[23-May-2007 12:29:00] <omarmx> "/Devices /Network /Router/Cisco/MPSNet3660IE/os /Fa0_1.6"
[23-May-2007 12:29:01] <omarmx> How can I make that user "oarmas" be able to see only this interface?
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[23-May-2007 12:43:10] <jenocin> nope still can't find mkzopeinstance.py with the installer, going to try and install zope and copy it over from that directory
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[23-May-2007 12:45:51] <jenocin> will python 2.5 be ok with the install, maybe thats were the problem is
[23-May-2007 12:51:18] <bkingx> I've heard it needs to be python2.4
[23-May-2007 12:51:29] <zor0> yeah, 2.5 doesn't work for some reason
[23-May-2007 13:01:11] <jenocin> trying the svn version
[23-May-2007 13:13:57] <bkingx> OK...looks like I might have it installed successfully now.
[23-May-2007 13:14:57] <bkingx> after messing with mysql for a bit, realized it wasn't running during the install, DUH!!
[23-May-2007 13:15:11] <bkingx> Then standard install from svn went smooth.
[23-May-2007 13:15:32] <bkingx> made sure that no password was set for mysql user root
[23-May-2007 13:15:50] <bkingx> That seemed to be the ticket.
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[23-May-2007 13:42:07] <bkingx> Zenoss 1.9 is SOOOO Sexy!
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[23-May-2007 14:02:14] <illsci> heh... does it have snmpv3 in it?
[23-May-2007 14:05:07] <bkingx> Don't know.
[23-May-2007 14:05:13] <bkingx> Where can I find that?
[23-May-2007 14:05:55] <illsci> im not sure... i have 1.1? installed and it uses snmpv1... which uses community strings...
[23-May-2007 14:06:20] <illsci> for snmpv3 you would have to have a user and password and possibly passphrase
[23-May-2007 14:07:26] <bkingx> Ah...it appears 1.1 by default.
[23-May-2007 14:08:53] <monrad> i dont think snmp version 3 yet
[23-May-2007 14:09:06] <monrad> damn i am too tired to write
[23-May-2007 14:09:27] <monrad> i dont think version 2 has snmp version 3 yet
[23-May-2007 14:16:15] <bkingx> I'm prob gonna be sorry for installing 1.9
[23-May-2007 14:16:29] <bkingx> Most people seem to be on 1.1
[23-May-2007 14:18:29] <monrad> 2.0 should be release soon (tm)
[23-May-2007 14:19:15] <monrad> yesterday according to the roadmap
[23-May-2007 14:24:51] <bkingx> I was referring more to help.
[23-May-2007 14:25:06] <bkingx> Seems to be easier when other people are on the same platform/version.
[23-May-2007 14:38:12] <sbellows> is there an updated timetable for the 2.0 release?
[23-May-2007 14:52:24] <bkingx> I know snmp is enabled and installed on a windows server (zenoss in the VM saw it fine), but now it seems I can't search an snmp device. Any thoughts?
[23-May-2007 15:03:57] <bkingx> Does this help: snmpwalk: Error building ASN.1 representation (Can't build OID for variable)
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[23-May-2007 15:19:58] <illsci> what snmpwalk command did you use
[23-May-2007 15:25:07] <bkingx> I tried: snmpwalk -v1 -c public <ipaddress> system
[23-May-2007 15:25:32] <bkingx> obviously replacing ipaddress with the correct one.
[23-May-2007 15:26:02] <illsci> maybe you're not allowed to run the command from where you're running it
[23-May-2007 15:26:16] <bkingx> yup works fine with the 1.1.1 version from the Virtual Machine image.
[23-May-2007 15:26:21] <illsci> com2sec lines... i think for v1
[23-May-2007 15:26:48] <bkingx> com2sec?
[23-May-2007 15:27:01] <illsci> oh this is windows...
[23-May-2007 15:27:08] <illsci> im not sure how its configured on windows
[23-May-2007 15:27:11] <bkingx> nope...Linux
[23-May-2007 15:27:22] <illsci> # sec.name source community
[23-May-2007 15:27:22] <illsci> #com2sec localsec localhost private
[23-May-2007 15:27:25] <illsci> something like t hat...
[23-May-2007 15:27:34] <illsci> instead of localhost you can have any prefix
[23-May-2007 15:27:43] <bkingx> Oh...OK.
[23-May-2007 15:28:06] <bkingx> I'm gonna downgrade to 1.1.2 to see if it fixes the problem.
[23-May-2007 15:28:24] <illsci> i would just try and run snmp and get it to work sucessfully...
[23-May-2007 15:28:33] <illsci> with snmpwalk from the command line
[23-May-2007 15:28:49] <bkingx> btw...that command work fine for a Netopia router I configured.
[23-May-2007 15:29:27] <bkingx> But it is wierd it will work fine for the Netopia, but for no other devices even when I know snmp is working fine for those.
[23-May-2007 15:29:53] <illsci> you have to configure the snmp agent on the device
[23-May-2007 15:30:01] <bkingx> Yup...already did.
[23-May-2007 15:30:02] <illsci> netopia... cisco router... whatever
[23-May-2007 15:30:24] <bkingx> Like I said, works fine from the 1.1.1 VM image, but not from the local install.
[23-May-2007 15:30:25] <illsci> if you can run snmpwalk against that box from the host you are running zenoss... zenoss should have no problem doing the same
[23-May-2007 15:30:40] <illsci> does the vm image have a different ip address
[23-May-2007 15:30:45] <illsci> than the local install
[23-May-2007 15:30:46] <bkingx> yes
[23-May-2007 15:30:48] <illsci> well
[23-May-2007 15:30:54] <illsci> theres a good place to start looking
[23-May-2007 15:30:59] <bkingx> same subnet, though
[23-May-2007 15:31:13] <illsci> look at you snmpd config on the device.... or how its configured
[23-May-2007 15:31:17] <illsci> maybe its not allowing a whole subnet
[23-May-2007 15:31:26] <illsci> its configurable
[23-May-2007 15:31:31] <zor0> what is a "meta_type"? its refered to in the zenoss docs, but doesn't explain how meta_types are associated with a device
[23-May-2007 15:31:53] <bkingx> illsci: I'll double check those.
[23-May-2007 15:32:14] <illsci> it might allow a whole subnet but only for a certain oid's...
[23-May-2007 15:32:27] <illsci> you can get pretty granualar with com2sec and groups and views
[23-May-2007 15:33:20] <zor0> ok, is there a single zenoss developer in here?
[23-May-2007 15:33:32] <zor0> or a single admin who has actually implimented and used zenoss?
[23-May-2007 15:34:34] * zor0 wants some documentation
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[23-May-2007 15:38:33] <bkingx> OMG, illsci
[23-May-2007 15:38:37] <bkingx> You are so right!
[23-May-2007 15:38:48] <bkingx> It was restricted to the IP address.
[23-May-2007 15:38:57] <illsci> there you go..
[23-May-2007 15:40:12] <bkingx> Man I feel stupid!
[23-May-2007 15:40:47] <illsci> dont...
[23-May-2007 15:40:58] <illsci> i tried to swing an anycasted site the other day...
[23-May-2007 15:41:00] <illsci> that was stupid
[23-May-2007 15:41:09] <bkingx> lol
[23-May-2007 15:41:24] <illsci> i was sitting there wondering why my swing site wasnt taking any traffic..
[23-May-2007 15:42:29] <bkingx> now I have to kill the install of 1.1.2 and go back to 1.9.6
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[23-May-2007 17:51:56] <scrip> when the zenmodeler says "2007-05-23 14:48:06 WARNING zen.ZenModeler no cmd plugins found for Claro"
[23-May-2007 17:52:17] <scrip> is that related to zenCommand? does that mean that zenCommand doesn't think it has anything to run against the device?
[23-May-2007 17:53:21] <chet> scrip: It means that the DataCollector (zenmodeler) doesn't have any plugins that use the cmd transport. It could still have plugins that are using the snmp or portscan transports.
[23-May-2007 17:54:16] <scrip> so that means that zenCommand won't run any collection against the device?
[23-May-2007 17:54:42] <scrip> I have a data collector configured, it shows up in perfConf, but it never runs
[23-May-2007 17:55:20] <scrip> I don't even get errors in the zenCommand log file, and zenCommand is running with -v 10
[23-May-2007 17:55:28] <chet> scrip: I think you're confusing zenmodeler and zencommand.
[23-May-2007 17:55:36] <scrip> no, I'm not
[23-May-2007 17:55:51] <scrip> I'm trying to troubleshoot zenCommand and I wasn't sure if that message was related
[23-May-2007 17:56:02] <chet> ah, okay. It isn't.
[23-May-2007 17:57:01] <scrip> alright, what controlls data collectors running besides the actual configuration in a Device Tree object or a Device's perfconf section?
[23-May-2007 17:57:31] <scrip> I have the zproperty zCollectorCollectPlugins set to include the collector I want to use
[23-May-2007 17:57:57] <chet> zCollectorCollectPlugins is a property that's used by zenmodeler. zencommand doesn't use it at all.
[23-May-2007 17:57:59] <scrip> the collector is a script in libexec
[23-May-2007 17:58:25] <chet> The PerfConf section is the only thing that matters as far as what zencommand runs.
[23-May-2007 17:58:34] <scrip> ok, so I have a collector configured, it is a COMMAND type collector, it shows up in perfConf, and the command isn't being run
[23-May-2007 17:58:55] <scrip> do I need to restart zenCommand? it says in the log that it's reloaded its config since I made the changes
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[23-May-2007 17:59:24] <andrew_p> hi
[23-May-2007 17:59:27] <chet> Try stopping it and running it with zencommand run -v 10 so it goes through once in the foreground.
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[23-May-2007 18:01:11] <andrew_p> it's not clear from documentation what exactly needs to be put into zenperfsnmp.conf: mysql access info, snmp or something else
[23-May-2007 18:01:15] <andrew_p> please advice
[23-May-2007 18:01:27] <chet> andrew_p: It can be blank.
[23-May-2007 18:01:44] <chet> For a normal configuration that's the way to go.
[23-May-2007 18:02:31] <andrew_p> chet: ok, thank you
[23-May-2007 18:08:36] <monrad> i hope we get 2.0 soon then its going into production
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[23-May-2007 18:08:58] <monrad> and i hope we get the new rrdtool when its release to in the next release
[23-May-2007 18:09:03] <monrad> too
[23-May-2007 18:24:41] <andrew_p> i'm going to ask a dumb question, but hope it's tolerable when the site does not work
[23-May-2007 18:25:26] <andrew_p> what is the web part of zenoss based on and what is needed to make it work on freebsd? (just installed zenoss first time in my like and documentation section on site does not work:)
[23-May-2007 18:25:36] <andrew_p> s/like/life/;
[23-May-2007 18:26:05] <chet> The web part runs on Zope. A python application server. It comes bundled with Zenoss.
[23-May-2007 18:26:56] <andrew_p> ok, i see python listens on 8080. i can telnet onto it, but nothing shows up in firefox
[23-May-2007 18:27:09] <andrew_p> ok, i guess zope documentation helps
[23-May-2007 18:36:32] <bzed> andrew_p: reading the log could help, too
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[23-May-2007 18:36:44] <bzed> zope usuallyu logs into the instance's home, into the log dir
[23-May-2007 18:37:05] <bzed> i guess $ZENHOME/log, not sure if there's a log with zenoss, though
[23-May-2007 18:56:22] <andrew_p> bzed: thank you
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[23-May-2007 20:25:55] <sadkin> hello all
[23-May-2007 20:26:03] <sadkin> anyone alive?
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[23-May-2007 21:00:33] <dec-w> Can I run Zenoss on Postgresql?
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[23-May-2007 22:52:48] <daMaestro> what zope version does zenoss target?
[23-May-2007 22:52:55] <daMaestro> anyone object to packages in fedora?
[23-May-2007 23:00:53] <daMaestro> dan__t, ping
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[23-May-2007 23:48:59] <sadkin> Hello all
[23-May-2007 23:49:11] <sadkin> seems like the zenoss community is kinda.. death
[23-May-2007 23:49:19] <sadkin> rise your hand if you are alive
[23-May-2007 23:49:36] <sadkin> dead*
[23-May-2007 23:51:54] <dec-w> im dead
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[24-May-2007 00:24:26] <sadkin> lol
[24-May-2007 00:24:44] <sadkin> dont really understan why being here in a chatroom if you are not going to "be" here
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[24-May-2007 00:48:52] <iuso> i can agree with sadkin who was here an hour ago. i have to admit that i do see some activity on this channel every now and then, but mostly there seems to be no one here who's interested in helping users
[24-May-2007 00:50:32] <iuso> and the forum/ml seems like it's pretty void too
[24-May-2007 00:51:19] <iuso> or maybe it's just me? i've asked different questions on this channel and i think only once someone tried to help
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[24-May-2007 00:52:06] <iuso> i finally gave in and thought, well they must really hate to hang out here and prefer the forums instead. wrong. my question went without replies there also
[24-May-2007 00:52:45] <iuso> i'd be alright with this if the docs were good, but that's not the case
[24-May-2007 00:53:20] <iuso> i do realize how it goes with OSS; i can always claim my money back if i'm disappointed
[24-May-2007 00:54:46] <iuso> but nevertheless i'm starting to feel ever so slightly pissed off at this "community". don't get me wrong, the software is great -- it's just very frustrating to have absolutely NO feedback whatsoever for a simple help request
[24-May-2007 00:55:24] <iuso> at this point i'd be happy to even read someone say "i'm not gonna talk to you", but i guess not, huh
[24-May-2007 00:56:55] <iuso> i don't know if it makes any difference, but we're testing Zenoss at the company i work for, and some features are must-have. and it's precisely because of this that i insist on finding some basic stuff out that seems to not be documented at all
[24-May-2007 01:01:35] <daMaestro> iuso, i think with zenoss going into the RHX and beta 2 on the floor
[24-May-2007 01:01:44] <daMaestro> they have much better things to work on
[24-May-2007 01:01:56] <iuso> daMaestro: that sounds acceptable in a way
[24-May-2007 01:02:17] <daMaestro> i think you point that we are not paying customers is the most likely issue at this time
[24-May-2007 01:02:22] <iuso> yep
[24-May-2007 01:02:30] <daMaestro> this would be part of the reason zenoss is moving into RHX
[24-May-2007 01:02:41] * iuso looks up RHX
[24-May-2007 01:02:49] <daMaestro> the red hat exchange
[24-May-2007 01:02:52] <iuso> oh
[24-May-2007 01:03:30] <daMaestro> http://rhx.redhat.com/
[24-May-2007 01:03:30] <adytum-bot> Title: Product List (at rhx.redhat.com)
[24-May-2007 01:03:30] <iuso> thanks
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[24-May-2007 07:28:40] <Southron> On the Download page of the Zenoss web site, Zenwin is listed under the Zenoss Core section -- is it "the Windows version" of Zenoss core?
[24-May-2007 07:29:29] <Southron> I was under the impression that the main Zenoss application only runs on the Linux platform, but one of my staff thought otherwise.
[24-May-2007 07:29:39] <Southron> Can anyone clarify this for me?
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[24-May-2007 08:31:22] <RobGault> Southron: Zenwin is an application for pulling wmi information from Windows servers and for the stable version of Zenoss only runs on windows. Zenoss core needs to be running elseware, on *nix of some sort.
[24-May-2007 08:31:51] <RobGault> Zenoss v2.0 has Zenwin that will run on the *nix platform.
[24-May-2007 08:31:55] <RobGault> hth
[24-May-2007 08:40:10] <Southron> Thanks RobGault, but I'm trying to figure out if Zenoss Core -- the main application -- is a *nix only app.
[24-May-2007 08:41:22] <Southron> Is Zenwin a component of Zenoss Core that lets it gather WMI info, or is Zenwin basically a "Zenoss Core for Windows" kind of thing?
[24-May-2007 08:47:23] <Southron> Oh, sorry RobGault -- I didn't see your previous answer to my question.
[24-May-2007 08:47:25] <Southron> :\
[24-May-2007 08:47:32] <Southron> That's what I thought.
[24-May-2007 08:48:21] <Southron> Thanks for your help.
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[24-May-2007 09:41:58] <zombiehunter> Hello all- Can anyone tell me if it's possible to setup a zenoss box at our shop and have it remotely monitor our business clients machines? Would we need to setup another zenoss box and have it forward the data to our box? Are there any links for this type of setup? Can't seem to find much documentation on this.
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[24-May-2007 10:48:41] <scrip> is there documentation on the zenCommand daemon somewhere? I can't find anything, I need to know how zenoss parses cmd plugin data and stores it, having trouble making it generate graphs
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[24-May-2007 11:10:22] <scrip> I have a data collector configured, I can see it running in the logs, it generates events, but I can't graph the values it returns
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[24-May-2007 12:06:27] <ricko73> Anyone know if there will be an upgrade path from the beta releases of Zenoss v2 to the final 2.0 release?
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[24-May-2007 12:50:41] <zombiehunter> Hello all- Can anyone tell me if it's possible to setup a zenoss box at our shop and have it remotely monitor our business clients machines? Would we need to setup another zenoss box and have it forward the data to our box? Are there any links for this type of setup? Can't seem to find much documentation on this.
[24-May-2007 12:51:11] <chet> ricko73: Yes, it is a very simple upgrade path from the beta to the release.
[24-May-2007 12:51:42] <chet> zombiehunter: It is possible to setup remote monitors, but generally VPNs are suggested to support this type of setup.
[24-May-2007 12:54:16] <ricko73> chet: so 1.9.6 is stable enough to test with?
[24-May-2007 12:55:08] <chet> ricko73: That's exactly what it's for.
[24-May-2007 12:55:18] <zombiehunter> I see. It would probably be an issue setting up VPNs to all of our business customers though. Are there issues with remote monitors? Is there somewhere where I could find manuals or docs on setup and configuration? best practices? taht sort of thing?
[24-May-2007 12:55:33] <illsci> you don't need vpns
[24-May-2007 12:55:57] <ricko73> you can restrict access to specific ports from specific ip addresses with a decent firewall
[24-May-2007 12:56:19] <ricko73> say for example port 22 is only open from your monitoring system ip address
[24-May-2007 12:57:48] <illsci> so... does zenoss support distributed monitoring?
[24-May-2007 13:00:22] <chet> illsci: Yes, it does. It will be better implemented and documented in 2.0. You can documentation on the process for the 1.1 series at http://community.zenoss.com/docs/zenoss-guide/PartIII/Chapter9/Section3/guidesection_view
[24-May-2007 13:00:22] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[24-May-2007 13:00:55] <illsci> chet: do you work for zenoss?
[24-May-2007 13:01:08] <chet> yes
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[24-May-2007 13:03:41] <illsci> i filled out the web form to get information on training... It's been two days and I haven't heard anything back about it
[24-May-2007 13:05:10] <chet> That's not good. Do you know close to what date/time you filled it out?
[24-May-2007 13:05:34] <chet> I was actually a user and community participant up until this Monday when I became an employee.
[24-May-2007 13:06:50] <illsci> actually... someone did email me back..
[24-May-2007 13:07:27] <illsci> but he didn't give me information on training...
[24-May-2007 13:07:47] <illsci> "Apparently you filled out a form that addresses all purchase purposes with Zenoss. I will have a representative contact you shortly on our next training session."
[24-May-2007 13:07:54] <illsci> still waiting on that...
[24-May-2007 13:09:11] <chet> illsci: Ok, the next training session probably hasn't been scheduled yet.
[24-May-2007 13:09:36] <illsci> on the site it was listed as being in june... i forget the exact date that was on there..
[24-May-2007 13:09:47] <illsci> i was surprised it's in annapolis
[24-May-2007 13:09:55] <chet> Where are you located?
[24-May-2007 13:10:02] <illsci> right now im in va
[24-May-2007 13:10:11] <illsci> but i used to live in severna park
[24-May-2007 13:10:20] <illsci> and worked at the naval academy at one point..
[24-May-2007 13:10:21] <zombiehunter> chet: sorry- i guess im a little confused... as for remote monitoring, are vpns required? I don't really need distributed monitoring, we need seperate sites that forward the data to one main location. Can you setup separate sites/nets in zenoss?
[24-May-2007 13:10:51] <illsci> "seperate sites that forward the data to one main location" == distributed monitoring
[24-May-2007 13:10:58] <chet> zombiehunter: Even in a remote monitoring setup the remote monitors needs to be able to contact the main server.. so that connectivity would have to be worked out.
[24-May-2007 13:11:42] <illsci> you either have a single monitoring station pollling all your sites
[24-May-2007 13:12:10] <illsci> or you have a bunch of monitoring stations polling some sites and forwarding that info back to a central place where i can be looked at and alerted upon or whatever...
[24-May-2007 13:12:30] <illsci> you only would want to use vpns if you want to secure those communications
[24-May-2007 13:12:49] <illsci> and if you use ssh checks or snmpv3 you might decide not to bother with that
[24-May-2007 13:13:04] <illsci> because those communications are going to be encrypted anyway
[24-May-2007 13:13:44] <illsci> you can monitor as many networks or sites as you want from a single zenoss box.. but that might not be what you want...
[24-May-2007 13:14:41] <zombiehunter> oh i see. *grins* makes sense. what about WMI? def. need vpn then? alot of windows boxes.
[24-May-2007 13:14:54] <illsci> you could do that
[24-May-2007 13:15:02] <illsci> or you could install a box locally at each site...
[24-May-2007 13:15:16] <illsci> or each network... behind the firewalls
[24-May-2007 13:15:41] <illsci> and then just allow outbound connectivity from that monitoring box behind the firewall to your central monitoring station
[24-May-2007 13:16:14] <illsci> or
[24-May-2007 13:17:06] <illsci> install agents on the boxes you want to monitor and have them report back... rather than having the monitoring station initiate the coummunication... so your monitored systems are reporting back... as opposed to your monitoring box querying your monitored systems
[24-May-2007 13:17:33] <illsci> which may or may not work with zenoss.... im not sure how zenoss handles this stuff
[24-May-2007 13:18:25] <illsci> personally if I was trying to make money by offering monitoring services... i would try and get a box at each site
[24-May-2007 13:18:53] <illsci> then you could do other things from those boxes... like vulnerability scanning or something like that
[24-May-2007 13:19:13] <chet> illsci: Our prices are structured solely on monitored devices, not the number of monitoring servers.
[24-May-2007 13:19:33] <chet> illsci: Of course if you're buying appliances for the monitoring servers more would cost more.
[24-May-2007 13:20:12] <zombiehunter> that was my thought too but my boss is pushing for one box that is collecting data for many sites, less chances of trouble, maintenance, etc.
[24-May-2007 13:21:03] <illsci> zombiehunter... then every client you have is going to have to allow inbound communication from your single monitoring server to everyone of their internet networks
[24-May-2007 13:21:36] <illsci> which could be traversing many firewalls or router acl's...
[24-May-2007 13:22:22] <zombiehunter> any idea if the data (wmi/snmp) can be sent across internet over ssl? (assuming there were a box at each site)
[24-May-2007 13:22:52] <zombiehunter> im just trying to get around the whole vpn issue. not sure its feasible.
[24-May-2007 13:23:16] <illsci> well im not sure how zenoss distributed monitoring works.... you would hope that inter zenoss station communication was done over an encrypted channel
[24-May-2007 13:23:42] <zombiehunter> heh. I would hope.
[24-May-2007 13:23:46] <illsci> the whole point of putting a box on site is so that you do not have to care if the stuff is encrypted
[24-May-2007 13:24:47] <illsci> so you can use snmpv1 snmpv2 wmi... and stuff locally and then agregate the monitoring information locally and then send that back to your central box... and you would want that communication to be encrypted
[24-May-2007 13:25:43] <zombiehunter> Right, via which method? im back to that again, heh.
[24-May-2007 13:25:56] <illsci> i dont know what you mean
[24-May-2007 13:26:39] <zombiehunter> that aggregated data being sent back to central box. encryption, which method? ssl/vpn/other options?
[24-May-2007 13:26:55] <zombiehunter> as im trying to steer away from vpn.
[24-May-2007 13:27:56] <zombiehunter> oh, you weren't sure. My bad. Maybe someone on the forums will know.
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[24-May-2007 13:28:31] <illsci> yeah i dont know how zenoss talks to other zenoss boxes...
[24-May-2007 13:29:20] <zombiehunter> well i really appreciate all your help. thanks so much.
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[24-May-2007 14:53:49] <Dislo> hey guys i am trying to get zenoss to send email to two different email addresses when there is an error, so i was on the user page and i put in "foo@bar.com; not_giving@outmyemail.com" in the email section and it successfully sent to foo@bar.com but not the other am i doing it wrong should i be using a , instead of a ; or what
[24-May-2007 14:54:46] <ricko73> try it with a comma or even a space
[24-May-2007 14:56:38] <Dislo> comma succesfully delivered to the first one but not the second still and space did nothing
[24-May-2007 14:57:42] <ricko73> bummer!
[24-May-2007 14:57:50] <Dislo> yeah
[24-May-2007 14:57:59] <Dislo> any other ideas by chance
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[24-May-2007 15:02:26] <chet_> Dislo: Setup two alerting rules and specify the optional address in the second one.
[24-May-2007 15:03:34] <Dislo> and how do i do that
[24-May-2007 15:04:04] <Dislo> i didnt even know you could do that
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[24-May-2007 15:28:00] <Bulwinkle> can someone point me to zenwin for 1.9.x?
[24-May-2007 15:28:10] <Bulwinkle> hiya chet_!
[24-May-2007 15:29:28] <RobGault> http://community.zenoss.com/code/zenoss-2.0/
[24-May-2007 15:29:28] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
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[24-May-2007 15:30:04] <RobGault> Bulwinkle: it's part of core now.
[24-May-2007 15:30:51] <Bulwinkle> RobGault: so, the install file is located in the directory structure somewhere?
[24-May-2007 15:31:22] <RobGault> It compiles and runs on *nix now. It's not a seperat app for 2.0
[24-May-2007 15:31:35] <Bulwinkle> RobGault: okay gotcha, thanks!
[24-May-2007 15:31:47] <RobGault> no problem.
[24-May-2007 15:40:26] <Bulwinkle> Is there anything I have to do on Windows to get Zenoss to talk to WMI
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[24-May-2007 19:35:58] <riiv> are most/all cisco routers and switches with snmp supported well? any with gotchas or problems?
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[25-May-2007 17:30:53] <jimc2> anyone here familiar with zenoss who also has a background with nagios? I'm interested in mapping my past nagios experience into the world of zenoss and could use a bit of a leg up.
[25-May-2007 17:34:25] <jimc2> hold that thought... looking at the March archives, and right away I see some potentially helpful answers.
[25-May-2007 18:09:20] <bzed> jimc2: there's also a nagios-plugin howto
[25-May-2007 18:09:39] <jimc2> yeah I wasn't so much interested in learning about the plugins per se
[25-May-2007 18:09:43] <jimc2> more about the concepts
[25-May-2007 18:10:11] <jimc2> for example (going from memory - it's been a few years now), a trivial test in nagios would be to ping a server
[25-May-2007 18:10:18] <jimc2> but that doesn't seem to be the case with zenoss
[25-May-2007 18:10:31] <jimc2> zenoss seems to insist on snmp
[25-May-2007 18:10:38] <jimc2> and without it, I'm flailing in the wind
[25-May-2007 18:11:41] <jimc2> of the devices that *do* speak snmp, zenoss seems to be aware of, say, a web server listening on port 80
[25-May-2007 18:11:55] <jimc2> but for something it pings, I haven't been able to figure out how to tell it "hey, probe port 80"
[25-May-2007 18:13:13] <jimc2> I think the nagios equivalent is check_port
[25-May-2007 18:13:56] <jimc2> er... unless you're saying that the only way to get there from here is to snag the nagios-plugins?
[25-May-2007 18:14:38] <bzed> I think you'd just use the nagios plugin in that case
[25-May-2007 18:14:50] <bzed> or look if the zenoss plugins can do it
[25-May-2007 18:14:59] <bzed> doesn;t make much difference, though
[25-May-2007 18:15:16] <jimc2> so this functionality doesn't exist within zenoss out of the box?
[25-May-2007 18:15:37] <bzed> but I have to admit that I didn't ahve the time to play with zenoss very much, all my free time is spent on apckagaging it for debian
[25-May-2007 18:15:51] <bzed> afaik - no.
[25-May-2007 18:15:57] <jimc2> :|
[25-May-2007 18:16:29] <jimc2> thx... I'll go browse the plugin list for zenoss... maybe they have 'native' zenoss plugins which provide that functionality
[25-May-2007 18:16:37] <jimc2> if not... guess it'll be the nagios plugins for me
[25-May-2007 18:16:56] <jimc2> and... kudos to you for doing the deb pkg
[25-May-2007 18:17:06] <bzed> the zenoss plugins are written in py, you could just add some line of code
[25-May-2007 18:17:16] <bzed> but the nagios plugins work well, so why not use them
[25-May-2007 18:17:32] <bzed> imho it's better then re-inventing the wheel a lot of times
[25-May-2007 18:17:42] <jimc2> would prefer to stick with a pure zenoss environment, rather than downloading a patchwork quilt
[25-May-2007 18:18:04] <bzed> zenoss ships with the nagios plugins anyway
[25-May-2007 18:18:08] <jimc2> it does?
[25-May-2007 18:18:14] <bzed> yeah
[25-May-2007 18:18:19] <bzed> they're in the bin directory afaik
[25-May-2007 18:18:20] <jimc2> hm
[25-May-2007 18:18:22] <jimc2> nice
[25-May-2007 18:18:29] <jimc2> I'll go poke my noe in there then
[25-May-2007 18:18:42] <jimc2> s/noe/nose/
[25-May-2007 18:19:13] <bzed> nagios-plugins-1.4.5.tar.gz should be installed
[25-May-2007 18:19:14] <bzed> btw
[25-May-2007 18:19:19] <bzed> are you testing the 2.0 beta?
[25-May-2007 18:19:30] <bzed> if not, and you're not in a hurry - do it
[25-May-2007 18:19:47] <jimc2> not yet... I've downloaded the 2.0 beta VMware container, but haven't fired it up yet
[25-May-2007 18:19:59] <jimc2> that nice, eh/
[25-May-2007 18:20:01] <jimc2> ?
[25-May-2007 18:20:04] <bzed> and if you find any bugs, report them please, the developers are pretty fast on fixing them usually
[25-May-2007 18:20:22] <jimc2> what's the method for reporting bugs? mailing list? bugzilla?
[25-May-2007 18:20:35] <jimc2> (guess I should just look on the site)
[25-May-2007 18:20:42] <bzed> either the zenoss-dev list or trac on dev.zenoss.com
[25-May-2007 18:20:50] <bzed> user/password is zenoss
[25-May-2007 18:21:03] * jimc2 nods
[25-May-2007 18:21:05] <jimc2> thx
[25-May-2007 18:21:23] <bzed> if you register a community account, you can subscribe to the mailing list in your user profile
[25-May-2007 18:21:55] <bzed> or just use the forum, new entries there are mailed to the list, too
[25-May-2007 18:22:03] <jimc2> does anyone have any sense of when 2.0 will be GA?
[25-May-2007 18:22:21] <jimc2> as in, within the next month, the next 3 months...?
[25-May-2007 18:26:49] <bzed> it was supposed to be out allready
[25-May-2007 18:29:49] <bzed> jimc2: http://community.zenoss.com/docs/howtos
[25-May-2007 18:29:49] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[25-May-2007 18:45:16] <jimc2> yeah, I was browsing that recently already
[25-May-2007 18:45:30] <jimc2> of the sections which interested me most, it left a bit to be desired
[25-May-2007 18:45:33] <jimc2> for example:
[25-May-2007 18:45:35] <jimc2> "Instructions on how to use the "use anywhere" Zenoss Plugins"
[25-May-2007 18:46:04] <jimc2> tells you how the plugins get used at the command line, but doesn't tell you, from the Zenoss UI, how to actually *use* them.
[25-May-2007 18:48:00] <bzed> typical proper documentation problem
[25-May-2007 18:48:03] <bzed>
[25-May-2007 18:48:19] <bzed> I'd add a bug about it
[25-May-2007 18:51:11] <jimc2> a picture is worth a thousand words
[25-May-2007 18:51:20] <jimc2> and one example can go a long way to painting that picture
[25-May-2007 18:51:52] <jimc2> would be great if there were a way to add comments to the howtos like they have for other areas of the docco
[25-May-2007 18:53:34] <jimc2> haven't really found a clear explanation of what the 'localhost' status monitor does
[25-May-2007 18:53:48] <jimc2> my first impression was that it monitored itself, ie, the host where zenoss was installed
[25-May-2007 18:54:57] <bzed> jimc2: get a community account, login and click edit in the upper right corner
[25-May-2007 18:55:02] <bzed> I guess that should work
[25-May-2007 18:55:04] <bzed> never tried it, thoguh
[25-May-2007 18:55:13] <jimc2> cool
[25-May-2007 18:56:54] <jimc2> one thing I'd heard about... OpenNMS, I think it was, was that once ONMS was monitoring a given IP address, that if it discovered any additional open ports during subsequent checks, that it would automagically add those to be monitored
[25-May-2007 18:57:02] <jimc2> I don't suppose there's anything like that in zenoss?
[25-May-2007 18:57:03] <jimc2> heh
[25-May-2007 18:58:51] <bzed> look at zendisc
[25-May-2007 18:59:00] <bzed> I think it's integrated in the 2.0 UI
[25-May-2007 18:59:20] <bzed> but on 1.2 you have to use the zendisc tool
[25-May-2007 18:59:37] <bzed> add a network and let it run on it
[25-May-2007 18:59:51] <bzed> and it'll add at least all snmp devices
[25-May-2007 19:00:18] <jimc2> nice
[25-May-2007 19:00:28] <jimc2> yeah, I was just reading "Added Network Auto-Discovery to UI" for 2.0
[25-May-2007 19:00:40] <jimc2> I'll have to take a closer look at that
[25-May-2007 19:01:26] <jimc2> for my company's purpose, we're only interested in monitoring a rather limited number of hosts... so I'd be interested in specifying IP addresses and letting zenoss have at it, rather than letting it run wild across the client's network, poking anything that has a pulse
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[25-May-2007 19:03:56] <jimc2> what the heck... lemme go shut down the 1.1 VM and fire up the 1.96 VM and see what happens
[25-May-2007 19:03:59] <jimc2> brb
[25-May-2007 19:27:39] <jimc2> nice!
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[26-May-2007 11:23:38] <zombiehunter> greets again everyone- can anyone tell me if given the scenario that I setup a master zenoss box at my site, and want to remotely monitor other businesses domains with a slave box, would I need to have the slave box joined to my domain in order to talk to the master box? Can zenoss monitor the domain that it would be installed a (given I had snmp community names the same, and credentials and whatnot)
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[26-May-2007 12:54:29] <andrew_p> hi. for how long has the community.zenoss.com/docs been down?
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[26-May-2007 13:07:07] <bzed> andrew_p: http://community.zenoss.com/docs/howtos works for me
[26-May-2007 13:07:07] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[26-May-2007 13:08:28] <andrew_p> weird. i am getting site errors (a large traceback of UnicodeEncodeError) everywhere on community.zenoss.com/docs
[26-May-2007 13:09:27] <andrew_p> bzed: is at least admin guide available in pdf?
[26-May-2007 13:09:59] <bzed> probably a problem with your language settings?
[26-May-2007 13:10:06] <bzed> what's your browser's default language?
[26-May-2007 13:12:12] <bzed> btw, in the worse case, you can get the 1.1 admin guide from the svn
[26-May-2007 13:12:21] <bzed> http://dev.zenoss.org/svn/trunk/zendocs/
[26-May-2007 13:12:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Revision 5524: /trunk/zendocs (at dev.zenoss.org)
[26-May-2007 13:12:25] <bzed> the 2.0 is nto done afaik
[26-May-2007 13:15:36] <cluther> andrew_p: Would you send that traceback via the feedback form along with your browser's language setting? The link is http://www.zenoss.com/about/contact_form?c=feedback
[26-May-2007 13:15:36] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Contact Form : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[26-May-2007 13:15:47] <andrew_p> cluther: ok. however, i've just posted it to the mailing list
[26-May-2007 13:16:00] <andrew_p> bzed: thanks for the link
[26-May-2007 13:16:41] <cluther> andrew_p: Great.. I'll see to it that it's looked into next week.
[26-May-2007 13:17:16] <andrew_p> site works after moving English onto the top of the list of preferred languages. previously there was Russian
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[26-May-2007 13:19:44] <bzed> soemtimes the unicode encoding erros in py can be quiet annoying
[26-May-2007 13:19:57] <bzed> but that looks more like a bug in plone's translation service
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[26-May-2007 13:24:54] <cluther> Thanks for the report, andrew. I'm surprised that hasn't come up before.
[26-May-2007 13:25:55] <bzed> cluther: are you runnin the latest plone version? if so, I think I should go and try to reproduce this with the debian packages :\
[26-May-2007 13:26:28] <cluther> bzed: I'm not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me with how new the community site is.
[26-May-2007 13:26:41] <cluther> bzed: If I remember correctly it only launched a few weeks ago.
[26-May-2007 13:26:43] <andrew_p> thanks for your operability
[26-May-2007 13:27:40] * bzed fires his devel zope up.....
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[26-May-2007 13:36:28] <bzed> hmm
[26-May-2007 13:36:31] <bzed> no issues at all
[26-May-2007 13:36:34] <bzed> seems to work well
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[26-May-2007 13:46:24] <andrew_p> i have tried loading site in both firefox and IE 7 and both showed the same effect when preferred language was russian
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[26-May-2007 14:24:55] <andrew_p> it seems zendisc uses "public" community string which is hardcoded in Products/DataColelctor/SnmpClient.py. am i right?
[26-May-2007 14:25:24] <andrew_p> i'm just looking for a way to specify community string for auto-discovery
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[27-May-2007 09:32:45] <andrew_p> what component of zenoss is supposed to send email alerts? i do not get any alerts for services and processes going up and down, although configuration is ok :/
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[27-May-2007 09:47:48] <cluther> andrew_p: That would be zenactions.
[27-May-2007 09:47:56] <cluther> andrew_p: You set your alerting rules up?
[27-May-2007 09:49:56] <andrew_p> cluther: yes, there is one enabled alerting rule. delay=0, action=email, filter (severity>=warning, production state=production). schedule is disabled
[27-May-2007 09:50:11] <andrew_p> and i did get test email well...
[27-May-2007 09:50:43] <cluther> Sounds good to me. Which version are you running?
[27-May-2007 09:51:35] <andrew_p> 1.1.2 on freebsd
[27-May-2007 09:52:04] <cluther> Try restarting zenactions from the About screen.
[27-May-2007 09:52:28] <andrew_p> when i put down the service and run zenmodeler manually, nothing interesting appears in maillog or zenactions.log... ok
[27-May-2007 09:52:37] <cluther> It probably just hasn't reloaded it's configuration yet. This is a common problem with all of the daemons in the 1.x series. They only reload their config every x minutes.. usually 20.
[27-May-2007 09:59:41] <andrew_p> did not help. (and much time have passed since i enabled alerts)
[27-May-2007 10:00:22] <andrew_p> btw, zenmodeler is run every 6 hours. isn't that too long to detect a failed service/process or is it detected by some other component?
[27-May-2007 10:00:55] <cluther> zenmodeler doesn't detect failures. It only builds configuration models of your systems. Are you trying this with a Windows service, or a *nix process?
[27-May-2007 10:01:46] <andrew_p> *nix process
[27-May-2007 10:02:22] <cluther> the zenprocess daemon watches those. Every minute.
[27-May-2007 10:03:21] <cluther> If you go the OS tab of the device you're testing with, can you see the process you're trying to monitor?
[27-May-2007 10:07:50] <andrew_p> yes, i do. zenprocesses daemon appears to work fine. my concern is rather ip service monitoring by zenstatus. i have started a service 10 minutes ago, but zenstatus still shows it as down. running zenstatus with -v 10 or restarting it does not reveal anything new
[27-May-2007 10:09:19] <cluther> oh, ok.
[27-May-2007 10:09:49] <cluther> Which service is it?
[27-May-2007 10:10:17] <andrew_p> httpd
[27-May-2007 10:10:52] <andrew_p> only if i run zenmodeler this critical error does disappear from dashboard
[27-May-2007 10:11:07] <cluther> There can be problems monitoring IPv6 enabled apps.
[27-May-2007 10:11:16] <cluther> Let me see if I can dig up discussion about this..
[27-May-2007 10:12:20] <cluther> http://community.zenoss.com/docs/faqs/faq-english/#Whydoesnthttpdshowupinmylistofservices
[27-May-2007 10:12:20] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[27-May-2007 10:12:20] <andrew_p> thank you
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[27-May-2007 16:12:58] <andrew_p> does zenoss 2.0-beta support dependency tracking (i mean not level 3)?
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[28-May-2007 02:53:53] <aikie> How can I add a custom MIB to zenoss
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[28-May-2007 07:30:35] <lawnchair> chairuou|work, settle down
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[28-May-2007 15:41:15] <rollerskatejamms> Is it possible to use zenoss with python 2.4 or 2.5 rather then 2.3?
[28-May-2007 15:42:12] <rollerskatejamms> ah 2.4 great
[28-May-2007 15:53:47] <bzed> 2.4 is default
[28-May-2007 15:53:54] <bzed> afaik there're some issues with 2.5
[28-May-2007 15:54:52] <rollerskatejamms> bzed, thats fine, 2.4 is in the repositories for my distro
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[28-May-2007 15:56:47] <fernando> hey all
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[28-May-2007 17:32:12] <NytWolf> I could use some assistance in installing Zenoss if anyone is around. There is an install error I just can't figure out
[28-May-2007 17:32:18] <NytWolf> Regarding libsmi
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[28-May-2007 18:01:53] <rollerskatejamms> Why isn't there anywhere to specify an ip address when I try to add a device?
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[28-May-2007 18:33:55] <NytWolf> If anyone is listening
[28-May-2007 18:34:30] <NytWolf> This is the error I'm getting after a few minutes of running install.sh
[28-May-2007 18:35:14] <NytWolf> make enters directory "/home/zenoss/zenoss-1.1.2/build/libsmi-0.4.5" then gets: /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected and finally make does this: make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 2
[28-May-2007 18:35:20] <NytWolf> And leaves the directory
[28-May-2007 18:35:55] <NytWolf> I'd try to find the unexpected "(" but there are only thousands of them in the files of that directory
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[28-May-2007 18:54:31] <cluther> NytWolf: That sounds like a problem with an outdated make/automake/autoconf.. what distribution are you trying this on?
[28-May-2007 18:54:46] <NytWolf> Ubuntu
[28-May-2007 18:54:50] <NytWolf> 7
[28-May-2007 18:55:24] <cluther> Hmm.. I previously had it running on that.
[28-May-2007 18:55:43] <NytWolf> Well, it's running on Ubuntu 7.04 but gcc says: gcc version 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4)
[28-May-2007 18:55:49] <NytWolf> Not sure if thats significant
[28-May-2007 18:56:01] <cluther> Nah, that's normal.
[28-May-2007 18:56:14] <NytWolf> GNU Make 3.81
[28-May-2007 18:56:20] <cluther> How big is your zenbuild.log?
[28-May-2007 18:56:39] <NytWolf> Looks like about 2.5 mb
[28-May-2007 18:57:48] <cluther> Do a make clean in your zenossinst directory, make sure the zenbuild.log is removed, then run make libsmi-install.
[28-May-2007 18:58:01] <cluther> Then could you email me your zenbuild.log? cluther@zenoss.com
[28-May-2007 18:58:07] <NytWolf> Will do!
[28-May-2007 18:59:19] <NytWolf> oh
[28-May-2007 18:59:49] <NytWolf> It errors out before it even builds zenbuild.log
[28-May-2007 18:59:54] <NytWolf> I'll put it in a txt file
[28-May-2007 19:01:26] <NytWolf> Sent away
[28-May-2007 19:02:25] <NytWolf> Whats strange is that 'libsmi-0.4.5.tar.gz' does exist, in that directory
[28-May-2007 19:05:16] <NytWolf> Looks like its trying to go a directory below where its supposed to be
[28-May-2007 19:38:41] <cluther> NytWolf: Ah.. it expects the build directory to exist. Trying making a build directory under zenossinst first.
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[28-May-2007 23:13:31] <NytWolf> Dang, he left just as I got back
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[29-May-2007 04:56:31] <crazyal> Hey people
[29-May-2007 04:56:40] <crazyal> All zenoss lovers here/
[29-May-2007 04:56:41] <crazyal> ?
[29-May-2007 04:57:27] <crazyal> Can Zenoss run across a public network? Or has it got to be a dedicated box on the same network?
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[29-May-2007 08:57:16] <crazyal> anyone about right now?
[29-May-2007 09:01:31] <crazyal> Can Zenoss run on a dedicated server which isn't on the private network of the machines it is monitoring? So over public network?
[29-May-2007 09:04:24] <jshadow> as long as it can connect to the snmp port on the machines it's monitoring
[29-May-2007 09:05:09] <crazyal> jshadow: okay thanks, and do you think it would suck much bandwidth? As it's constant monitoring
[29-May-2007 09:06:34] <jshadow> we don't notice too much effect on our network here... but its all local, never tried over internet or whatnot, you can control the rate at which it polls though
[29-May-2007 09:06:43] <jshadow> if it gets bad you could tune it down
[29-May-2007 09:07:16] <crazyal> cool, I guess I could just try and see!! No idea how secure snmp would be over public network, would have to look it up
[29-May-2007 09:07:39] <jshadow> you'd want to use a different community other than the standard "public" for sure
[29-May-2007 09:08:10] <crazyal> yeah
[29-May-2007 09:08:15] <crazyal> thanks for the tips
[29-May-2007 09:08:55] <jshadow> we have all of our boxes set to only reply to our monitoring box's ip as well, I suppose that could be spoofed or something, but we haven't had any probs yet
[29-May-2007 09:09:00] <jshadow> np
[29-May-2007 09:09:36] <crazyal> that's what I was thinking, it would only be a temporary solution anyway until I could get a new dedi box on the private network
[29-May-2007 09:09:49] <crazyal> I wonder if the pager works for the UK, that would be cool
[29-May-2007 09:10:23] <jshadow> I haven't explored the pager yet, we need to get an smtp gateway or something, it's on the todo list =)
[29-May-2007 09:10:36] <crazyal> cool
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[29-May-2007 09:36:40] <bkingx> Good morning!
[29-May-2007 09:36:58] <bkingx> When adding a device, I get this error:
[29-May-2007 09:37:19] <bkingx> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 89, in processClient datamaps = plugin.process(device, results, log) File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/RouteMap.py", line 62, in process if not rm and not self.checkColumns(route, self.columns, log): AttributeError: RouteMap instance has no attribute 'checkColumns'
[29-May-2007 09:37:42] <bkingx> And in the table, I get this:
[29-May-2007 09:37:44] <bkingx> 2007-05-29 09:23:37 ERROR zen.ApplyDataMap plugin zenoss.snmp.RouteMap device PIPPIN
[29-May-2007 09:38:00] <bkingx> Anyone know how to fix this?
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[29-May-2007 10:50:34] <scrip> hello, I'm looking for more info on the Rest interface, where can I get a complete list of methods?
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[29-May-2007 10:52:21] <bkingx> Hi scrip: I can't help, but I wanted you to know there are people here listening.
[29-May-2007 10:52:34] <bkingx> I think most are afk.
[29-May-2007 10:52:47] <scrip> yeah, always the case :-/
[29-May-2007 10:52:55] <scrip> and they ignore my forum posts too
[29-May-2007 10:53:37] <bkingx> I've gotten help here before. Just depends on who is here.
[29-May-2007 10:53:40] <scrip> wish the were as far along with the docs as they are with the rest of it, its a real pain to impliment, I'm trying to figure out a system for monitoring dynamic IP boxes
[29-May-2007 10:54:38] <bkingx> No kidding!
[29-May-2007 10:55:42] <bkingx> The installation itself was hard.
[29-May-2007 10:55:55] <bkingx> And not specific enough for newbies.
[29-May-2007 10:56:05] <bkingx> I still don't think I have it installed right.
[29-May-2007 10:56:47] <bkingx> I think I am having a DB permissions problem. Even though I delete a device, it still shows up as having issues.
[29-May-2007 10:57:34] <bkingx> Oops...think I JUST NOW figured that out.
[29-May-2007 10:57:51] <bkingx> I think they were events not acknowldeged
[29-May-2007 10:58:09] <bkingx> I'll have to see if they come back.
[29-May-2007 10:58:19] <bkingx> But another issue I have is adding a device.
[29-May-2007 10:58:33] <bkingx> I get this error at the top of the screen:
[29-May-2007 10:58:41] <bkingx> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 89, in processClient datamaps = plugin.process(device, results, log) File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/RouteMap.py", line 62, in process if not rm and not self.checkColumns(route, self.columns, log): AttributeError: RouteMap instance has no attribute 'checkColumns'
[29-May-2007 10:58:48] <bkingx> and this error in the table:
[29-May-2007 10:58:59] <bkingx> 2007-05-29 09:23:37 ERROR zen.ApplyDataMap plugin zenoss.snmp.RouteMap device PIPPIN
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[29-May-2007 11:19:26] <bkingx> Can someone help me solve a device problem?
[29-May-2007 11:19:37] <bkingx> When adding a device, I get this:
[29-May-2007 11:19:42] <bkingx> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 89, in processClient datamaps = plugin.process(device, results, log) File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/RouteMap.py", line 62, in process if not rm and not self.checkColumns(route, self.columns, log): AttributeError: RouteMap instance has no attribute 'checkColumns'
[29-May-2007 11:19:50] <bkingx> And in the table below:
[29-May-2007 11:19:54] <bkingx> 2007-05-29 09:23:37 ERROR zen.ApplyDataMap plugin zenoss.snmp.RouteMap device PIPPIN
[29-May-2007 11:23:10] <jimc2> wild speculation, but is this after upgrading Zenoss?
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[29-May-2007 11:25:13] <bkingx> jimc2: no...fresh install
[29-May-2007 11:25:46] <jimc2> hm
[29-May-2007 11:26:03] <jimc2> so in other words, you haven't been able to add *any* devices.
[29-May-2007 11:26:28] <bkingx> I can add them, but they all have this error in them.
[29-May-2007 11:27:27] <scrip> I think that error means that the zope interface died
[29-May-2007 11:27:34] <scrip> what are you setting?
[29-May-2007 11:27:51] <scrip> btw, name should be an ip or hostname, that threw me the first time I tried to add a device
[29-May-2007 11:28:37] <bkingx> scrip: name or IP seems to work fine. Oh...and I do not get the error when I select none itn he discovery protocol.
[29-May-2007 11:29:03] <scrip> check the logs, is something not running/dying?
[29-May-2007 11:29:56] <bkingx> OK...complete newbie here. Where should I check?
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[29-May-2007 11:34:28] <bkingx> I think this is the key: ERROR zen.ApplyDataMap plugin zenoss.snmp.RouteMap device
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[29-May-2007 16:54:30] <taupe> what's best, opennms or zenoss
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[29-May-2007 17:05:25] <jimc2> taupe: I think I saw a response to that question somewhere in the forum archives or some such
[29-May-2007 17:05:30] * jimc2 searches
[29-May-2007 17:05:44] <taupe>
[29-May-2007 17:08:57] <jimc2> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/000884.html
[29-May-2007 17:09:51] <taupe> thats very true
[29-May-2007 17:09:56] <taupe> however doesn't mention opennms
[29-May-2007 17:10:58] <jimc2> sure it does
[29-May-2007 17:11:03] <taupe> ahh the next one
[29-May-2007 17:11:07] <taupe> yeah, i'd agree with all those comments
[29-May-2007 17:11:07] <jimc2> it says:
[29-May-2007 17:11:09] <jimc2> OpenNMS - scales well focused on status checking. Lots of xml sit-
[29-May-2007 17:11:09] <jimc2> ups for config.
[29-May-2007 17:11:31] <jimc2> thought this was interesting too: http://blog.zenoss.com/tag/Debian
[29-May-2007 17:11:38] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss Blog (at blog.zenoss.com)
[29-May-2007 17:11:48] <jimc2> I've taken a poke at ONMS myself as well as attempted to build zabbix in the past
[29-May-2007 17:12:02] <jimc2> mind you, I'm dealing with different constraints
[29-May-2007 17:12:04] <tessier_> When I download the zenoss tarball does it include zope or do I need to install zope separately myself?
[29-May-2007 17:12:10] <taupe> i dont like the looks of zabbix
[29-May-2007 17:12:22] <jimc2> decided this time "to heck with the constraints" and am playing with Zenoss VM at home on the big iron
[29-May-2007 17:12:43] <jimc2> tessier_: I don't recall... it's been a while for me
[29-May-2007 17:12:53] <jimc2> tessier_: I'm tempted to say that they include zope
[29-May-2007 17:13:40] <tessier_> I'm hoping zenoss is much better/more complete than nagios and I am also hoping it is suitable as a host database for keeping track of our servers, what they are, where they are, what they do, etc.
[29-May-2007 17:13:40] <bzed> tessier_: it includes zope
[29-May-2007 17:13:41] * jimc2 ponders an environment which integrates zope, zenoss and plone
[29-May-2007 17:13:46] <tessier_> bzed: Cool, thanks
[29-May-2007 17:14:05] <bzed> jimc2: wait until the debian packages with zenoss are ready
[29-May-2007 17:14:30] <bzed> jimc2: then you'll be able to install zenoss and plone and whatever you liek just by aptitude install-ing it
[29-May-2007 17:14:32] <jimc2> tessier_: I'm an old Nagios guy from some years back, and recently started playing with Zenoss 2.0 beta... it's like freakin' night and day
[29-May-2007 17:14:50] <jimc2> bzed: I look forward to that, being a big Ubuntu fan
[29-May-2007 17:15:22] <jimc2> there are some Zenoss concepts which I had to puzzle over... with Nagios, I tended to start off with a simple ping test and went from there
[29-May-2007 17:15:45] <jimc2> BUT, not having to muck around with config files by hand is suh-WEET
[29-May-2007 17:16:12] <jimc2> plus, back in the day when I tried getting the rrdtool plugin to work with nagios... I just found the config file a tad bit mind-bending, so I gave it a miss
[29-May-2007 17:16:27] <taupe> i'll come back once i've trialed the two and let you know my thoughts
[29-May-2007 17:16:29] <taupe> cheers all
[29-May-2007 17:16:33] <jimc2> cheers
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[29-May-2007 17:16:41] <jimc2> he'll be back.
[29-May-2007 17:16:57] <jimc2> ONMS looked promising when I played with it, but a PITA to set up
[29-May-2007 17:17:15] <jimc2> and when I saw that there were features in the live demo that weren't there in the version I was playing with....
[29-May-2007 17:18:20] <jimc2> I did discover a bug with Zenoss 2.0 beta which I need to file
[29-May-2007 17:18:36] <tessier_> jimc2: The nice thing about flat text config files is that you can revision control them.
[29-May-2007 17:18:41] <tessier_> I wonder about that with zenoss.
[29-May-2007 17:18:43] <jimc2> if you try to do a test ping/traceroute/dns/etc, it behaves as though there's a newline between the command and the IP address
[29-May-2007 17:19:46] <jimc2> tessier_: don't recall if there's a way to revision control things you're monitoring
[29-May-2007 17:19:57] <jimc2> to some extent, ask yourself how easy it is to revision control a DB
[29-May-2007 17:20:00] <tessier_> Does everyone really use snmp to collect their data? I have always avoided it for fear of it being a gaping security hole.
[29-May-2007 17:20:11] <jimc2> but I do believe you can lock a server's config
[29-May-2007 17:20:13] <tessier_> jimc2: Not easy at all which is why I wonder about storing the configs in a db.
[29-May-2007 17:20:21] <tessier_> Our dns is stored in a db. Kinda scary.
[29-May-2007 17:20:38] <jimc2> I'm partial to djbdns anyway
[29-May-2007 17:20:48] <jimc2> but yeah, the snmp is a curious one
[29-May-2007 17:20:50] <jimc2> that said,
[29-May-2007 17:20:58] <jimc2> there seem to be at least a couple other vectors to monitor
[29-May-2007 17:21:08] <jimc2> like apparently there's a plugin to leverage the Nagios plugins
[29-May-2007 17:22:29] <jimc2> pretty sure I saw something which indicates that one way to monitor is to leverage ssh
[29-May-2007 17:22:44] <jimc2> so you could in essence ssh to the target server and run the snmp command locally
[29-May-2007 17:22:54] <jimc2> assuming you've limited snmp connections to 127.0.0.1
[29-May-2007 17:23:12] <jimc2> munge the output, return resuts to Zenoss
[29-May-2007 17:23:15] <jimc2> done and done
[29-May-2007 17:23:37] <jimc2> I'll admit I'm curious as to the scalability of ssh'ing to multiple devices every few mins
[29-May-2007 17:24:31] <tessier_> The nagios plugins kinda suck.
[29-May-2007 17:24:42] <jimc2> howso?
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[29-May-2007 17:24:44] <tessier_> And you have to use nrpe etc. to get the data off of the local host over to your nagios server
[29-May-2007 17:25:05] <jimc2> oh, THOSE plugins
[29-May-2007 17:25:12] <tessier_> Using ssh to do monitoring isn't a bad idea for unix boxes
[29-May-2007 17:25:15] <jimc2> I was more interested in things like getting the response time of an http server
[29-May-2007 17:25:22] <tessier_> oh
[29-May-2007 17:25:52] <jimc2> because if you have to login via ssh, you might as well leverage the one Zenoss tidbit (can't remember the name offhand) or else just script your own stuff
[29-May-2007 17:26:23] <jimc2> I also haven't tried pumping syslog into Zenoss... curious to see what it does with that
[29-May-2007 17:28:04] <jimc2> personally I'd like to see more "config by example" examples on the Zenoss site
[29-May-2007 17:28:25] <jimc2> there are some low-level things which are interesting, but no indication of how to leverage those from within Zenoss
[29-May-2007 17:30:33] <tessier_> wow, zenoss takes a while to install...
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[29-May-2007 17:48:07] <jimc2> one thing that's not clear to me is that Zenoss seems to (on some level) be aware of the various ports which can be checked, but on another level, doesn't seem to be too fussed about monitoring them
[29-May-2007 17:50:42] <jimc2> for example:
[29-May-2007 17:50:50] <jimc2> Services > IpService
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[29-May-2007 17:51:48] <jimc2> in the Sub-Folders pane, it lists Privileged and Registered
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[29-May-2007 17:52:41] <jimc2> in the Services pane, it lists tcp_00953, udp_01022 and udp_01023 -- why, I don't know.
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[29-May-2007 18:21:40] <BucketOfTruth> I'm evaluating Zenoss as an alternative to Nagios. My primary need is to monitor whether a customer's DSL is up, and various services are functioning (SMTP, HTTP, etc) and load or disk usage. Am I barking up the wrong tree with Zenoss?
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[29-May-2007 18:23:21] <BucketOfTruth> I'm seeing a lot of references to SNMP which is unnecessary for the type of monitoring I'm doing.
[29-May-2007 18:28:31] <BucketOfTruth> gotta love the dead irc channels. later...
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[29-May-2007 19:25:11] <NytWolf> I am still having installation problems. Would anyone know if its possible to bypass libsmi in the ./install.sh script? Sounds silly but I can explain...
[29-May-2007 19:29:42] <scrip> can zenoss monitor by hostname instead of IP?
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[29-May-2007 20:36:56] <scrip> ROFLMAO THIS CHANNEL IS AS DEAD AS THE FORUMS LOL
[29-May-2007 20:37:01] <scrip>
[29-May-2007 20:37:24] * scrip pouts
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[29-May-2007 20:52:11] <cluther> scrip: What's up?
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[30-May-2007 07:55:48] <VlaDar> heloo there
[30-May-2007 07:58:35] <VlaDar> I dont understand I monitor several servers with zenoss. My debian servers all well monitored, but my ubuntu workstation, i cant get perf graphs to work & don't have FS usage informations in OS tab
[30-May-2007 08:00:20] <VlaDar> alsoo i dont understand how to set SNMP Informant (on wondows XP) I added snmp service and installed standard
[30-May-2007 08:00:22] <VlaDar> SNMP Informant
[30-May-2007 08:01:04] <VlaDar> somme idea ?
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[30-May-2007 09:03:06] <cluther> VlaDar: For SNMP-Informant you've done the right things. However, you should be sure to setup the SNMP configuration by going to the properties for the Windows SNMP service. Then restart the service.
[30-May-2007 09:03:42] <cluther> VlaDar: Ubuntu doesn't come with SNMP installed by default. You'll have to install the package and start it up.
[30-May-2007 09:03:54] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Good morning! This is chet..
[30-May-2007 09:04:17] <Bulwinkle> heya chet.. how goes it?
[30-May-2007 09:05:16] <VlaDar> I even rebooted it since I've installed it (it's wondows, one rboot per day)
[30-May-2007 09:07:31] <VlaDar> and for ubuntu, of caurse I've installed all necessery packages, my ubuntu workstation is well monitored, as I said, in OS tab, I can see all my mounts and "Total bytes" sizes, but not "Free bytes" and "% Util" informations
[30-May-2007 09:08:23] <VlaDar> I've put the same /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf ont my debian servers and on my ubuntu WS
[30-May-2007 09:19:34] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Good. How goes your install?
[30-May-2007 09:19:54] <cluther> VlaDar: How long ago did you add your workstation into Zenoss, and which version are you using?
[30-May-2007 09:20:38] <Bulwinkle> ah, it goes... I am still having problems when I do the interface polling and the problem is resolved. I have to move it to history to clear it (doesn't clear on its own)... Other than that so far, so good.
[30-May-2007 09:40:47] <VlaDar> more than few weeks
[30-May-2007 09:41:32] <VlaDar> cluther : which version of zenoss ?
[30-May-2007 09:42:18] <cluther> VlaDar: Yeah. Also, what device class is your workstation installed in?
[30-May-2007 09:43:50] <VlaDar> cluther: Zenoss 1.1.1/Zope 2.8.8/Python 2.4.4/MySQL 5.0.32 (Ver 5.0.32)/RRDtool 1.2.15/Twisted 2.4.0/PySNMP 3.4.3/TwistedSNMP 0.3.13
[30-May-2007 09:44:35] <VlaDar> cluther : mi Ws is in /Devices /Workstation /Linux /
[30-May-2007 09:45:06] <cluther> Ah, the performance template that collect all of that information are setup in /Devices/Server.
[30-May-2007 09:45:40] <cluther> You could try copying the Device performance template from /Devices/Server/Linux to /Devices/Workstation/Linux if you want to keep the device classes separated like that.
[30-May-2007 09:46:43] <VlaDar> cluther : not necessarely ... can I just change dec class for my WS ?
[30-May-2007 09:46:58] <VlaDar> cluther : not necessarely ... can I just change Devices class for my WS ?
[30-May-2007 09:47:04] <Bulwinkle> has anyone had problems opening graphs in Internet Exploder?
[30-May-2007 09:47:29] <cluther> VlaDar: That'd be easier. You can add it to a Workstations group to keep them organized.
[30-May-2007 09:47:47] <cluther> Bulwinkle: 2.0 really doesn't work well at all in Internet Explorer.
[30-May-2007 09:48:10] <Bulwinkle> cluther: Yeah, I'm getting that
[30-May-2007 09:48:15] <Bulwinkle> Any fixes?
[30-May-2007 09:50:09] <VlaDar> cluther : thanks ... I changed mi /Device Class ... now I have just to wait & see or I have to remodel the device ?
[30-May-2007 09:50:47] <cluther> VlaDar: You may want to remodel. There are a different set of modeling plugins defined for Server/Linux.
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[30-May-2007 09:54:27] <VlaDar> cluther : thanks
[30-May-2007 09:54:50] <crazyal> Hey, do Zenoss developers hang around in the channel? from time to time
[30-May-2007 09:59:12] <Bulwinkle> crazyal: very rarely
[30-May-2007 09:59:48] <cluther> crazyal: Occasionally.. they're more likely to see comments on the forum or mailing list.
[30-May-2007 10:00:33] <cluther> crazyal: Why do you ask?
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[30-May-2007 10:28:30] <crazyal> cool, was just curious. I do alot of work in data visualisation, could've been interesting to get involved
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[30-May-2007 10:36:22] <cluther_> crazyal: That sounds great. The code is easy to jump into, and they are very receptive to patches from the community.
[30-May-2007 10:37:31] <crazyal> cluther_: excellent I'll give it a go, makes stats a little more interesting to explore
[30-May-2007 10:38:22] <cluther_> crazyal: I've some interest in data visualization myself. What tools do you typically use?
[30-May-2007 10:39:08] <crazyal> cluther_: I've experimented with many but now I usually use Flash, because you can make it interactive and more fluid
[30-May-2007 10:39:26] <crazyal> it's not ideal for huge data sets but other than that it can work very well
[30-May-2007 10:39:43] <cluther_> Cool.. the folks at digg seem to be doing something interesting things with it.
[30-May-2007 10:40:01] <crazyal> yeah there've been quite a few nice experiments from those guys
[30-May-2007 10:40:57] <crazyal> cluther_: This is a nice site if you like that sort of thing http://www.visualcomplexity.com/
[30-May-2007 10:41:10] <cluther_> Thanks, I'll have to check it out.
[30-May-2007 10:41:30] <adytum-bot> Title: visualcomplexity.com | A visual exploration on mapping complex networks (at www.visualcomplexity.com)
[30-May-2007 10:41:43] <crazyal> thanks bot lol
[30-May-2007 10:42:15] <crazyal> cluther_: I haven't actually setup Zenoss yet, I take it you like it though?
[30-May-2007 10:42:44] <cluther_> crazyal: You take it correctly.
[30-May-2007 10:43:23] <crazyal> cluther_: excellent
[30-May-2007 10:43:24] <cluther_> crazyal: I started replacing Nagios plus a ton of customizations with it about three months ago. I was active in the community, and now I work for Zenos.
[30-May-2007 10:43:55] <crazyal> cluther_: Oh excellent! so you know your stuff
[30-May-2007 10:44:36] <cluther_> Sure thing. If you know the visualization part, I can definitely tell you how to get the data out.
[30-May-2007 10:44:50] <crazyal> cluther_: Do you think it would be possible for me to setup Zenoss on a dedicated machine but over a public network? And use some sort of secure SNMP connection? Or is that really a bad idea?
[30-May-2007 10:45:15] <crazyal> cluther_: THAT WOULD BE GREAT. That's the only thing holding me back, if I can get the data out I can start playing with it
[30-May-2007 10:45:18] <cluther_> crazyal: I'd suggest setting using a VPN of some sort back to the monitored network.
[30-May-2007 10:45:41] <crazyal> the network I am monitoring does have VPN setup actually
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[30-May-2007 11:29:43] <dmnd> crazyal: thanks for that site, it's cool
[30-May-2007 11:30:31] <crazyal> dmnd: no probs, it's really useful
[30-May-2007 11:30:42] <dmnd> i passed it along to some collegues
[30-May-2007 11:30:48] <dmnd> to bad you cannot order posters of it
[30-May-2007 11:30:49] <dmnd>
[30-May-2007 11:30:57] <dmnd> would be cool in our labs
[30-May-2007 11:31:33] <crazyal> yeah :-D
[30-May-2007 11:31:36] <crazyal> labs? sounds cool
[30-May-2007 11:31:53] <dmnd> it is
[30-May-2007 11:31:53] <dmnd>
[30-May-2007 11:32:03] <crazyal> dmnd: Take a look at this too, very interesting lecture, academic but useful http://www.bestechvideos.com/2007/04/12/15-views-of-a-node-link-graph-an-information-visualization-portfolio/
[30-May-2007 11:32:03] <adytum-bot> Title: 15 Views of a Node Link Graph: An Information Visualization Portfolio :: Tech Videos, Screencasts, Tutorials, Webinars, Techtalks, Tutorials (at www.bestechvideos.com)
[30-May-2007 11:32:13] <crazyal> What kind of labs if I may be so bold as to ask!
[30-May-2007 11:32:50] <dmnd> network gear
[30-May-2007 11:33:34] <dmnd> http://gallery.null0.nl/main.php?g2_itemId=5762 is one closet
[30-May-2007 11:33:34] <adytum-bot> Title: Cisco Networks (at gallery.null0.nl)
[30-May-2007 11:33:34] <crazyal> excellent
[30-May-2007 11:33:42] <crazyal> nice :-D
[30-May-2007 11:34:12] <crazyal> I'm hosting with Softlayer, I really want to visit their Datacenter, stuff like that is cool
[30-May-2007 11:34:27] <dmnd> you need hosting then?
[30-May-2007 11:36:24] <dmnd> bbl, f00ds0r ;>
[30-May-2007 11:36:46] <crazyal> hosting indeed!
[30-May-2007 11:39:54] <crazyal> I've looked into hosting for months, it's not easy to find good hosting
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[30-May-2007 11:50:51] <aikie> how can I use a custom MIB in zenoss?
[30-May-2007 11:51:10] <aikie> I have a MIB for squid, but I don't know how to use it
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[30-May-2007 11:54:57] <b52laptop> crazyal, what could yu recommand like compagny for dedicated servers?
[30-May-2007 11:55:36] <creiht> b52laptop: I would recommend Rackspace, but then I might be a bit biased
[30-May-2007 11:55:40] <crazyal> b52laptop: I'd say 100% Softlayer, good prices, good support even though it's not managed. And in the price range, they're the first company I've seen that really emphasizes the private network
[30-May-2007 11:56:08] <crazyal> Rackspace is only good if you can afford to buy the big stuff, not for single boxes in my opinion
[30-May-2007 11:56:29] <crazyal> they're sales support and support is awesome obviously
[30-May-2007 11:56:35] <creiht> crazyal: It's not for everyone
[30-May-2007 11:56:59] <creiht> If you don't want to worry about your servers going down at 2am then you go with us
[30-May-2007 11:57:00] <b52laptop> creiht, argghh i forget that you re working there (may be one day i will got my app server in rackspace / but i am stile poor .... , if i become rich i will come to rackspace )
[30-May-2007 11:57:09] <creiht> hehe
[30-May-2007 11:57:13] <creiht> I understand
[30-May-2007 11:57:14] <b52laptop> crazyal, rackspace offer managed servers
[30-May-2007 11:57:22] <b52laptop> i want unmannaged ones
[30-May-2007 11:57:38] <b52laptop> creiht, so if i come true you i got discount
[30-May-2007 11:57:43] <crazyal> Softlayer is unmanaged but will still help you
[30-May-2007 11:57:51] <b52laptop> creiht, just joking ..... :d
[30-May-2007 11:57:53] <creiht> hehe
[30-May-2007 11:57:54] <creiht>
[30-May-2007 11:58:05] <crazyal> Rackspace bandwidth is the best but the cost is crazy
[30-May-2007 11:58:05] <b52laptop> crazyal, hm ok
[30-May-2007 11:58:07] <creiht> I don't even get a discount if I want a real server
[30-May-2007 11:58:27] <b52laptop> creiht, errr !! ; ok ....
[30-May-2007 11:58:39] <creiht> crazyal: Note that we also only bill on outgoing BW, we don't count incoming
[30-May-2007 11:58:49] <creiht> but yeah it is very good bandwidth
[30-May-2007 11:58:53] <crazyal> creiht: yeah very true, that would make a difference
[30-May-2007 11:58:54] <creiht> You get what you pay for
[30-May-2007 11:59:09] <creiht> I do get a very basic box... enough to run my blog
[30-May-2007 11:59:29] <b52laptop>
[30-May-2007 11:59:36] <crazyal> I'm getting a cluster anyway so not too worried about downtime hehe
[30-May-2007 12:00:03] <b52laptop> crazyal, cluster= ? how many machine / on the same corp ?
[30-May-2007 12:00:06] <creiht> hehe... clusters don't fix everything
[30-May-2007 12:00:14] <b52laptop> why ?
[30-May-2007 12:00:14] <creiht> They still go down at 2:00am
[30-May-2007 12:00:21] <crazyal> nah I know but I just find it cool
[30-May-2007 12:00:22] <creiht> just less often
[30-May-2007 12:00:34] <crazyal> b52laptop: 6 boxes, Softlayer, with hardware load balancers
[30-May-2007 12:00:46] <b52laptop> crazyal, hm nice !!
[30-May-2007 12:01:03] <crazyal> the prices for the load balancers are really good actually, fair prices
[30-May-2007 12:01:35] <crazyal> but as creiht mentions the support at Rackspace is awesome, quality stuff all around, but they will charge for absolutely everything
[30-May-2007 12:01:40] <b52laptop> i think it's hard to make clusters but whith different compagnies ? i mean on different datacenters to avoid to be "down "
[30-May-2007 12:01:52] <crazyal> not generous with the equipment etc... in my VERY limited experience though!
[30-May-2007 12:02:19] <crazyal> b52laptop: a cluster can't run properly across a public network, it's not really a cluster if you do that
[30-May-2007 12:02:33] <creiht> The main difference for us is the service
[30-May-2007 12:02:41] <creiht> You pay for it
[30-May-2007 12:02:46] <creiht> But you also sleep better at night
[30-May-2007 12:02:59] <creiht> because you know that if a server goes down at 2:00am we will take care of it
[30-May-2007 12:03:04] <crazyal> creiht: and it's all 24 hours etc... and people are polite and stuff which is nice
[30-May-2007 12:03:13] <b52laptop> crazyal, even if you do a vpn betwwen the 2 side ? i mean imagine 2 clutsers with load balancing but in a different areas
[30-May-2007 12:03:32] <creiht> anyways... enough selling... I'm here for Zenoss
[30-May-2007 12:03:59] <crazyal> b52laptop: You could do that but I'd see that as more of a backup, not a performance boost. The performance comes from having hardware load balancers on the a private network
[30-May-2007 12:04:14] <b52laptop> creiht,
[30-May-2007 12:04:17] <crazyal> that's my understanding anyway! I'm sure I could be proven wrong
[30-May-2007 12:04:37] <crazyal> creiht: Is the atmosphere quite nice there? when you go to work and stuff?
[30-May-2007 12:04:41] <crazyal> sorry to mention it again! lol
[30-May-2007 12:04:48] <b52laptop> crazyal, hm ok
[30-May-2007 12:05:30] <creiht> crazyal: It rocks... I love working here, and most others do as well
[30-May-2007 12:05:40] <creiht> It is very relaxed atmosphere
[30-May-2007 12:05:46] <crazyal> creiht: cool, that makes a difference to the service too I guess
[30-May-2007 12:05:49] <creiht> oh yeah
[30-May-2007 12:06:16] <creiht> I develop internal software here, so I'm not on the support floor
[30-May-2007 12:06:21] <crazyal> creiht: I know you can easily lie but how are the tech guys? always learning or just getting by? And I know it's impossible to generalise!
[30-May-2007 12:06:23] <creiht> But the teams are very close nit
[30-May-2007 12:06:27] <crazyal> cool
[30-May-2007 12:07:47] <creiht> crazyal: It varys a bit
[30-May-2007 12:08:03] <creiht> One of the nice things here is that they have a really good training program
[30-May-2007 12:08:34] <creiht> So people come in that may not know much, but we immerse them very quickly
[30-May-2007 12:08:43] <crazyal> creiht: so most of them will have a kinda base knowledge to run things.
[30-May-2007 12:08:49] <creiht> Note that I don't speak officially for my employer
[30-May-2007 12:09:03] <creiht> And we have several levels of techs
[30-May-2007 12:09:07] <crazyal> You little evangelist you!
[30-May-2007 12:09:12] <creiht> haha
[30-May-2007 12:09:24] <creiht> So more difficult things can be sent up the chain
[30-May-2007 12:09:41] <creiht> but overall I would say we have very competent people
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[30-May-2007 12:10:24] <crazyal> creiht: I was going to look into it again at some point, when I know more about my requirements and the app has been running for a few months. Get a sense of usage etc...
[30-May-2007 12:10:48] <creiht> cool
[30-May-2007 12:11:58] <b52laptop> creiht, are you extending zenoss in rack .... ? so you are doing python specificlly or others technologies ?
[30-May-2007 12:13:30] <creiht> b52laptop: We have several internal systems that are running on various technologies. Many of those (which I work on) use Python
[30-May-2007 12:13:54] <creiht> I use zenoss to monitor our internal production systems
[30-May-2007 12:14:02] <b52laptop> hm ok
[30-May-2007 12:14:25] <creiht> I would like to see zenoss used more here, but that is outside the realm of what I have influence over
[30-May-2007 12:14:36] <b52laptop>
[30-May-2007 12:17:23] <crazyal> creiht: I love me some Python, I use Django for my web apps
[30-May-2007 12:25:32] <creiht> crazyal: I wish we were using cool stuff like that
[30-May-2007 12:25:43] <crazyal> creiht: hehe it's alot of fun
[30-May-2007 12:25:44] <creiht> But we have been doing python web apps long before any of that was available
[30-May-2007 12:25:56] <crazyal> creiht: I bet! Python has a long history of coolness
[30-May-2007 12:26:00] <creiht> hehe
[30-May-2007 12:26:10] <creiht> Though I am more partial to pylons myself
[30-May-2007 12:26:26] <crazyal> I haven't tried it to be honest
[30-May-2007 12:26:36] <creiht> Depends on what your needs are
[30-May-2007 12:26:53] <creiht> pylons is a bit more flexible
[30-May-2007 12:27:02] <creiht> But with that flexibility comes a bit more complexity
[30-May-2007 12:27:08] <creiht> not much though
[30-May-2007 12:28:13] <crazyal> heard of plone too? some sort of CMS thing
[30-May-2007 12:28:21] <creiht> yeah... I have used it quite a bit
[30-May-2007 12:28:25] <creiht> awefully slow
[30-May-2007 12:28:32] <creiht> but can be quite uesfull
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[30-May-2007 12:28:54] <creiht> Zenoss is based off of Zope which is what Plone is based off of
[30-May-2007 12:29:04] * b52laptop is planning to do plone business in the future :d (lkearning at the moment ...)
[30-May-2007 12:29:08] <creiht> Well the UI is at least
[30-May-2007 12:30:18] <crazyal> Django is a full-stack framework. Pylons and TurboGears are glue frameworks
[30-May-2007 12:30:26] <crazyal> (just quoting a site)
[30-May-2007 12:30:58] <creiht> crazyal: hehe
[30-May-2007 12:31:01] <b52laptop> but for cms stuff , i think plone , even if he is slow and COMPLICATED but do the job
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[30-May-2007 12:31:25] <creiht> b52laptop: Plone is very capable
[30-May-2007 12:31:42] <creiht> btw... You can speed it quite a bit by using a squid proxy cache
[30-May-2007 12:31:42] <crazyal> does plone generate interfaces for you etc...? it helps you with all that?
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[30-May-2007 12:32:08] <crazyal> templates I mean I guess
[30-May-2007 12:32:32] <b52laptop> creiht, yeah ...
[30-May-2007 12:32:43] <b52laptop> crazyal, "template " =
[30-May-2007 12:32:44] <crazyal> I do development in Flex and Flash so I only use the frameworks as a backend and to build an API
[30-May-2007 12:32:53] <b52laptop> hm flex !!
[30-May-2007 12:32:57] <crazyal> yeah see I don't need the templates so just want me some speed
[30-May-2007 12:32:58] <creiht> blech!
[30-May-2007 12:33:22] <b52laptop> crazyal, do you got an example of a web app developped in flex ?
[30-May-2007 12:33:26] <crazyal> You can't really beat it when you need advanced interactive elements, data visualisation etc...
[30-May-2007 12:33:33] <creiht> crazyal: Have you taken a look at:
[30-May-2007 12:33:36] <creiht> extjs.com
[30-May-2007 12:33:44] <crazyal> b52laptop: the best ones are internal
[30-May-2007 12:33:51] <b52laptop> crazyal, ok
[30-May-2007 12:34:07] <crazyal> b52laptop: http://www.picnik.com/app try that in Ajax...
[30-May-2007 12:34:07] <adytum-bot> Title: Picnik (at www.picnik.com)
[30-May-2007 12:34:16] <crazyal> creiht: no haven't seen that before
[30-May-2007 12:34:24] <creiht> picnik is very nice
[30-May-2007 12:34:54] <crazyal> Flex is still new, and at the moment it's mostly used for CMS applications and data management
[30-May-2007 12:35:03] <b52laptop> crazyal, what will you recommand like ajax framework / dojo ?
[30-May-2007 12:35:25] <creiht> b52laptop: http://extjs.com
[30-May-2007 12:35:25] <adytum-bot> Title: Ext JS - JavaScript Library (at extjs.com)
[30-May-2007 12:35:25] <crazyal> b52laptop: dojo is good, but to be honest I'm not very much into Ajax
[30-May-2007 12:35:42] <b52laptop> creiht, ok :d
[30-May-2007 12:36:48] <crazyal> like the data visualisation stuff, you pretty much have to use Flash or Flex for that. If you want it online and dynamic
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[30-May-2007 12:37:27] <creiht> crazyal: Do you have a link to an example of what you are talking about?
[30-May-2007 12:37:33] <bzed> flash sucks
[30-May-2007 12:37:36] <creiht> hehe
[30-May-2007 12:38:05] <crazyal> http://www.visualcomplexity.com/vc/ projects like that but animated
[30-May-2007 12:38:05] <adytum-bot> Title: visualcomplexity.com | A visual exploration on mapping complex networks (at www.visualcomplexity.com)
[30-May-2007 12:38:10] <crazyal> come on now lets not start a bashing war
[30-May-2007 12:38:20] <creiht> I'm not... just curious
[30-May-2007 12:38:26] <crazyal> I meant bzed
[30-May-2007 12:38:30] <creiht> oh
[30-May-2007 12:38:31] <creiht> hehe
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[30-May-2007 12:39:05] <creiht> That can be done with JS
[30-May-2007 12:39:08] <crazyal> Flash works more like a real application, application behaviour in AJAX is more of a hack
[30-May-2007 12:39:23] <bzed> crazyal: no, it jsut sucks becuase it's slow on old computers, and it doesn't even work on 64bit browsers yet
[30-May-2007 12:39:24] <crazyal> You can't do Flash type animations in JS
[30-May-2007 12:39:35] <crazyal> bzed: who gives a shit about old computers?
[30-May-2007 12:39:45] <b52laptop> crazyal, me
[30-May-2007 12:39:47] <bzed> crazyal: every sysadmin
[30-May-2007 12:39:54] <creiht> advanced JS is going to be slow in old servers as well
[30-May-2007 12:40:10] <bzed> sure, but it'll run with more browsers than flash
[30-May-2007 12:40:13] <crazyal> bzed: I do work for 3 of the top 10 biggest banks in the World. trust me JS and slow computers isn't their concern
[30-May-2007 12:40:20] <crazyal> not for internal applications
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[30-May-2007 12:40:49] <crazyal> and it takes alot more time to get results in JS
[30-May-2007 12:41:06] <crazyal> you can't animate things properly in JS, you couldn't animate diagrams and make things truly interactive
[30-May-2007 12:41:16] <creiht> crazyal: That's not as true now as it used to be
[30-May-2007 12:41:20] <crazyal> and if you could it would take you hours, days. In Flash, 2 seconds
[30-May-2007 12:41:28] <crazyal> creiht: no but it's still true, it would still be a poor choice
[30-May-2007 12:41:49] <creiht> Right tool for the right job
[30-May-2007 12:41:53] <crazyal> exactly
[30-May-2007 12:41:57] <bzed> crazyal: not all people do so
[30-May-2007 12:42:01] <creiht> It's going to be different for different people
[30-May-2007 12:42:54] <crazyal> different needs, different tools
[30-May-2007 12:43:37] <creiht> For example Flash wouldn't fly here very well
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[30-May-2007 12:43:50] <creiht> Over half of the workforce uses Linux
[30-May-2007 12:43:59] <creiht> And most of those guys don't want to mess with flash
[30-May-2007 12:44:17] <crazyal> You wouldn't want to force people to learn Flash
[30-May-2007 12:44:34] <crazyal> the ebay intranet is in Flex for example
[30-May-2007 12:44:41] <crazyal> in terms of user experience, you can't beat it
[30-May-2007 12:44:52] <crazyal> but it's not always about user experience
[30-May-2007 12:45:14] <creiht> I wish you could see the UI that I just rolled out this week
[30-May-2007 12:45:26] <crazyal> good stuff?
[30-May-2007 12:45:35] <creiht> I think so
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[30-May-2007 12:45:46] <creiht> Much better than what we have had in the past
[30-May-2007 12:46:08] <crazyal> people seem to forget the amount of work needed though. To create a top of the range AJAX site, you need a team.
[30-May-2007 12:46:33] <crazyal> you can create interfaces ALOT quicker in Flex and Flash
[30-May-2007 12:46:45] <creiht> crazyal: For a quick easy example of what is possible with the ExtJS framework:
[30-May-2007 12:46:58] <creiht> http://www.extjs.com/deploy/ext/examples/layout/feed-viewer.html
[30-May-2007 12:46:58] <adytum-bot> Title: RSS Feed Viewer 2.0 (at www.extjs.com)
[30-May-2007 12:47:22] <crazyal> nice
[30-May-2007 12:47:23] <b52laptop> crazyal, flex got a environment dev working under linux ?
[30-May-2007 12:47:28] <creiht> crazyal: I would argure that for me, I could create an interface a lot faster in JS than I could in flash
[30-May-2007 12:47:41] <creiht> But it is so much more than just creating the interface
[30-May-2007 12:47:50] <creiht> You have to hook it up to a backend as well
[30-May-2007 12:48:05] <crazyal> creiht: How do you keep state in AJAX applications? Cache?
[30-May-2007 12:48:24] <creiht> crazyal: Depends
[30-May-2007 12:49:08] <crazyal> It's alot easier to keep and track state using Flex, alot more can be done client side
[30-May-2007 12:49:13] <crazyal> which is a massive speed boost
[30-May-2007 12:49:16] <creiht> ExtJS has some pretty nice state management functionality
[30-May-2007 12:49:27] <creiht> All done client side
[30-May-2007 12:49:41] <crazyal> and working on all browsers? I doubt it
[30-May-2007 12:49:45] <creiht> yup
[30-May-2007 12:49:57] <creiht> Firefox 1.5+ IE 6+ and Safari
[30-May-2007 12:50:05] <creiht> At least those are the ones we are concerned with
[30-May-2007 12:50:11] <crazyal> yeah fair enough
[30-May-2007 12:50:13] <creiht> I think it works in opera as well
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[30-May-2007 12:50:19] <creiht> But we don't actively test it
[30-May-2007 12:50:23] <crazyal> anyway you make your millions with Ajax and I'll make my millions with Flash
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[30-May-2007 12:50:28] <crazyal> :-D
[30-May-2007 12:50:28] <creiht> exactly
[30-May-2007 12:50:45] <creiht> Except for I will make 1 million more
[30-May-2007 12:50:58] <crazyal> have you made some millions already?
[30-May-2007 12:51:06] <creiht> hehe
[30-May-2007 12:51:07] <creiht> nah
[30-May-2007 12:51:15] * b52laptop remmeber crazyal and creiht if he either need help in ajax or flex
[30-May-2007 12:51:31] <creiht> And I probably wont
[30-May-2007 12:51:37] <creiht> I'm content though
[30-May-2007 12:52:07] <crazyal> content is good!
[30-May-2007 12:52:09] <crazyal> b52laptop: lol
[30-May-2007 12:52:16] <b52laptop> ;d
[30-May-2007 12:52:30] <crazyal> Anyway guys, I'm off to do some development.... in FLEX! :-D
[30-May-2007 12:52:35] <crazyal> nice chat
[30-May-2007 12:53:16] <b52laptop> crazyal, see you :d
[30-May-2007 12:55:18] <creiht> hehe
[30-May-2007 12:55:22] <creiht> crazyal: Nice talking to you
[30-May-2007 12:55:24] <creiht> good luck
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[30-May-2007 12:57:06] <crazyal> thanks!
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[30-May-2007 14:23:03] <aaahhh> can someone help me setup zenwin for a domain environment for the zenoss beta
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[30-May-2007 14:25:21] <aaahhh> i get an error saying bad wmi state
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[30-May-2007 15:56:20] <sbb> {Zenoss 1.1.0} How do I monitor a custom http port? (proxy server running on 8080)
[30-May-2007 16:02:24] <bzed> use the nagios plugins
[30-May-2007 16:02:49] <bzed> a howto is in the documentation on zenoss.com
[30-May-2007 16:16:23] <sbb> ok, thanks, didn't know if there was a way other than the nagios plugins.
[30-May-2007 16:23:35] <lawnchair> does zenoss rely on nagios checking mechanisms to monitor services
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[30-May-2007 16:52:00] <creiht> lawnchair: No, but it allows you to use nagios checks if you need to
[30-May-2007 16:52:05] <lawnchair> ok
[30-May-2007 16:52:11] <lawnchair> does zenoss rely on snmp for checks?
[30-May-2007 16:52:37] <creiht> lawnchair: That is one way for it to do checks
[30-May-2007 16:52:46] <creiht> It can collect data through many means
[30-May-2007 16:52:48] <lawnchair> ewll i guess im wondering if it invented it's own way like nr pe
[30-May-2007 16:52:54] <creiht> snmp is primary
[30-May-2007 16:52:57] * lawnchair nods
[30-May-2007 16:53:02] <creiht> you can also use nagios
[30-May-2007 16:53:06] <creiht> or ssh
[30-May-2007 16:53:19] <creiht> or some plugin scripts that they have created
[30-May-2007 16:53:21] <lawnchair> using nrpe would make transition easier nagios -> zenoss
[30-May-2007 16:53:30] <lawnchair> so i like that
[30-May-2007 16:55:18] <taupe> can it ssh to a system or mstsc in and grab info that way
[30-May-2007 16:55:31] <lawnchair> i think htats a shitty method
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[30-May-2007 16:57:30] <taupe> ..
[30-May-2007 16:59:27] <creiht> taupe: If you really need to then yes
[30-May-2007 16:59:39] <taupe> ok
[30-May-2007 16:59:40] <creiht> That is not very scalable though
[30-May-2007 17:00:06] <bzed> there're remote agents coming in 2.1
[30-May-2007 17:00:09] <taupe> it ensures things like being able to actually ssh to a machine which is important to our environment.
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[30-May-2007 17:35:35] <taupe> hm
[30-May-2007 17:36:12] <taupe> the ssCpuRawUser 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.11.50.0 snmp trap doesn't work on my rhel machine.
[30-May-2007 17:36:33] <taupe> sorry the 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.11.54.0 not the .50
[30-May-2007 17:36:43] <taupe> ssCpuRawWait
[30-May-2007 17:37:19] <taupe> meaning the CPU utilization doesn't graph
[30-May-2007 17:37:20] <taupe> any ideas?
[30-May-2007 17:45:18] <lawnchair> thats a bad way to ensure ssh connectivity
[30-May-2007 17:49:34] <taupe> lawnchair: it's not ssh connectivity - it's login availability
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[31-May-2007 01:29:15] <jakehow> trying to start zenoss for the first time and its lookin like this... http://pastie.caboo.se/66416
[31-May-2007 01:29:17] <adytum-bot> Title: #66416 - Pastie (at pastie.caboo.se)
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[31-May-2007 01:30:53] <jakehow> is that a permissions issue or something?
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[31-May-2007 08:11:26] <jp10558> Does anyone know what the winexe error : ERROR: Cannot open control pipe - NT_STATUS_OBJECT_NAME_NOT_FOUND means? Is this a connection issue, or an authentication issue ?
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[31-May-2007 08:21:32] <jp10558> anyone know where to get help with winexe problems?
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[31-May-2007 08:49:30] <kfh2> <warning: stupid newb question in 3... 2.... 1....>
[31-May-2007 08:50:12] <kfh2> So, I've got a selection of devices where I want to send an email if they're down. I can't quite seem to figure out how you're supposed to do this from the manual.
[31-May-2007 08:51:09] <kfh2> I've got that you have to set up an alert to send an email, but how do I flag specific hosts so that they trigger the email if they go down? is it by class (so I have to put the device in a class that specifies the alerts I want)?
[31-May-2007 08:57:30] <jp10558> You can under alert rules specify devices to match on
[31-May-2007 08:57:39] <jp10558> but it would be easier I think if you grouped them into a class
[31-May-2007 09:01:34] <kfh2> but if I have a machine that is, say both a build machine and a web server and I have different alerting rules for those two types of thing what do I do? I can't put a single device in more than one class
[31-May-2007 09:01:52] <kfh2> Are "Groups" the answer to this, and I need to dig deeper into how groups work?
[31-May-2007 09:11:50] <jp10558> I don't really know on that
[31-May-2007 09:12:06] <jp10558> You want different alerts based on what with the above machine?
[31-May-2007 09:12:24] <jp10558> You could create one alerting rule for IP based services (HTTP etc)
[31-May-2007 09:12:41] <jp10558> and one that alerts on somethine else (low memory?)
[31-May-2007 09:13:48] <jp10558> Take a look at the choices for specifying alert rules
[31-May-2007 09:14:16] <jp10558> you can do an or on devices
[31-May-2007 09:16:12] <hspcd> Hi all, I've just installed the 1.9.6 beta on Centos 4.4 and the install seemed to go just fine. However I get the following message when I attempt to access the webUI: Site error An error was encountered while publishing this resource. The requested resource does not exist. Please click here to return to the Zenoss dashboard
[31-May-2007 09:16:12] <hspcd> Anyone else seen this or have a suggestion?
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[31-May-2007 10:00:05] <hspcd> bump...
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[31-May-2007 10:34:19] <enots> zenoss.com broken...
[31-May-2007 10:35:09] <enots> community.zenoss.com
[31-May-2007 10:35:15] * enots sigh
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[31-May-2007 10:38:26] <crazyal> what's up lads?
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[31-May-2007 12:26:21] <hspcd> anyone having this issue when installing beta 2 on RHEL4? --12:24:29-- http://localhost.localdomain:8080/zport/dmd/DeviceLoader/loadDevice?deviceName=localhost.localdomain&devicePath=/Server/Linux
[31-May-2007 12:26:21] <hspcd> => `/dev/null'
[31-May-2007 12:26:21] <hspcd> Resolving localhost.localdomain... 127.0.0.1
[31-May-2007 12:26:21] <hspcd> Connecting to localhost.localdomain|127.0.0.1|:8080... connected.
[31-May-2007 12:26:21] <hspcd> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error
[31-May-2007 12:26:21] <hspcd> 12:24:30 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.
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[31-May-2007 12:42:42] <scrip> hey guys
[31-May-2007 12:43:02] <scrip> I'm having trouble making the ssh monitoring collect data, it seems to be very incomplete
[31-May-2007 12:43:42] <scrip> it has disk partitions sizes, but not space used or available, and it knows what network interfaces the box has, but not the traffic that those interfaces are using.
[31-May-2007 12:44:03] <scrip> is this just a limitation of the ssh monitoring interface? would a newer bleeding-edge set of plugins be more likely to find data?
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[31-May-2007 14:40:56] <hspcd> anyone here had luck getting 1.9.6 to install properly and run on CentOS 4?
[31-May-2007 14:42:53] <hspcd> anyone really give a rat's ass?
[31-May-2007 14:44:43] <creiht> hspcd: heh
[31-May-2007 14:45:12] <creiht> Most of us here have day jobs as well
[31-May-2007 14:45:40] <creiht> And I haven't installed 1.9.6 on a RPM system
[31-May-2007 14:46:14] <creiht> actually I haven't installed 1.9.6 yet at all
[31-May-2007 14:46:30] <creiht> What problem are you having? Ask and hopefully someone will answer when they get a sec
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[31-May-2007 14:47:10] <creiht> Another avenue is that you can post on the forum. Most of the devs watch the mailinglist/forum
[31-May-2007 14:50:36] <hspcd> maybe I'll post....
[31-May-2007 15:04:22] <scrip> hspcd: and no, no rats asses have been given that I am aware of, my forum posts remain unanswered
[31-May-2007 15:05:03] <scrip> hspcd: but I'll help you out if I can, whats the error you're getting?
[31-May-2007 15:05:42] <scrip> hspcd: also, the source install I ran on a debian box was relatively painless once I found all the prereqs
[31-May-2007 15:06:08] <aaahhh> oh i have a question too
[31-May-2007 15:06:22] <aaahhh> for monitoring windows hardware and installed software
[31-May-2007 15:06:25] <aaahhh> do you need snmp
[31-May-2007 15:06:31] <aaahhh> or can you just use zenwiin
[31-May-2007 15:06:50] <scrip> aaahhh: no, you should be able to use snmp if you want, but its my understanding that zenwin can do it
[31-May-2007 15:07:04] <scrip> aaahhh: but I'm a unix guy, no idea how to use it on windows
[31-May-2007 15:07:16] <aaahhh> damn
[31-May-2007 15:07:26] <aaahhh> well i got zenwin to work in an domain environment
[31-May-2007 15:07:30] <aaahhh> it detects the services
[31-May-2007 15:07:32] <aaahhh> but nothing else
[31-May-2007 15:07:56] <aaahhh> and i didn't install snmp yet
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[31-May-2007 15:53:10] <creiht> aaahhh: On Windows boxes there is a standard MS SNMP service
[31-May-2007 15:53:17] <creiht> That gives basic info
[31-May-2007 15:53:27] <creiht> You can suppliment it with snmp-informant
[31-May-2007 15:53:33] <creiht> Which exposes all snmp info
[31-May-2007 15:53:41] <creiht> It's pretty easy to set up
[31-May-2007 15:53:53] <aaahhh> well i know that ms has an snmp service
[31-May-2007 15:54:16] <aaahhh> my question is what all does the WMI provide
[31-May-2007 15:54:23] <aaahhh> can it all be done with WMI
[31-May-2007 15:54:29] <aaahhh> or do i still need SNMP to be setup
[31-May-2007 15:54:33] <creiht> I haven't used zenwin, so I couldn't tell you
[31-May-2007 15:54:38] <creiht> sorry
[31-May-2007 15:54:47] <creiht> But I get everything that I need through snmp
[31-May-2007 15:54:51] <aaahhh> lol
[31-May-2007 15:55:01] <aaahhh> yea i use snmp for my cacti on my network
[31-May-2007 15:55:36] <aaahhh> but i was just wondering if zenoss can do everything with WMI and not require snmp for windows boxes
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[31-May-2007 15:58:46] <smclewin> I have a agent architectural question about zenoss.
[31-May-2007 16:01:47] <smclewin> The systems my company manages are 98% behind other corporate firewalls - we essentially sell an appliance. Our current home grown management solution reaches out from the appliance to a web service running in our NOC, which collects the data and forwards it on to our stats database. From the zenoss web site it appears that it assumes agents are running with IP connectivity between the box...
[31-May-2007 16:01:49] <smclewin> ...being monitored and the zenoss core. Is this true, or is there a deployment option that would fit our pattern?
[31-May-2007 16:02:33] <smclewin> We have no IP routing from the NOC to the client boxes, only from the client appliance box back to our facility, via the public internet.
[31-May-2007 16:03:44] <smclewin> Only ports 80 and/or 443 are allowed out of the appliance box too.
[31-May-2007 16:20:45] <creiht> smclewin: I'm not sure, other than I know that question has been asked quite a lot
[31-May-2007 16:20:47] <scrip> you could create a command plugin to retrieve that data, as long as there was some process that actually pushed it from your client boxes to a server you can connect to
[31-May-2007 16:21:28] <creiht> smclewin: Try searching the forums on community.zenoss.com
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[31-May-2007 16:21:47] <creiht> I seem to remember seeing a lot of questions go by like that
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[31-May-2007 17:10:16] <smclewin> Ok. I searched the forums for 'firewall' before coming here, being at a loss for other good keywords that might be related to the question. What would you search for in the forum to find topics that may help me?
[31-May-2007 17:11:51] <smclewin> scrip: I'll go search more on command plugins. I take it that is a component that works against an API exposed by the agent that runs on one of the boxes being monitored?
[31-May-2007 17:16:07] <scrip> smclewin: command can be used to execute a script on the zenoss host (monitoring system) or over ssh on a remote system (in which case you have to install the script)
[31-May-2007 17:17:02] <creiht> smclewin: I don't think command plugins will do what you want though, because those are initiated from the zenoss server
[31-May-2007 17:17:09] <creiht> And not the firewalled clients
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[31-May-2007 17:19:11] <smclewin> scrip: ah, therein lies the problem. If we installed a zenos host, it could not reach out to remote systems over anything. Only remote systems can reach back to us, over the public net, so security comes into play too. And only over ports 80 or 443.
[31-May-2007 17:19:44] <smclewin> Ah sorry creiht - I didn't see your reply before typing back and ended up repeating it.
[31-May-2007 17:19:48] <creiht> hehe
[31-May-2007 17:19:49] <creiht> np
[31-May-2007 17:19:53] <creiht> doing some searching
[31-May-2007 17:20:02] <smclewin> thanks
[31-May-2007 17:20:15] <creiht> Looks like the common suggestion they provide is setting up a VPN
[31-May-2007 17:20:23] <creiht> so that the server can reach the client
[31-May-2007 17:20:28] <creiht> that may not work for you though
[31-May-2007 17:20:52] <creiht> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=839&highlight=firewall
[31-May-2007 17:20:52] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Zenoss remote monitoring? (at community.zenoss.com)
[31-May-2007 17:20:52] <creiht> And I remember seeing them talk about that before as well
[31-May-2007 17:22:52] <creiht> smclewin: Do you need to monitor performance metrics, or just be notified when something goes wrong?
[31-May-2007 17:29:03] <creiht> smclewin: Yeah, for right now VPN seems to be it, until the Zenoss guys can develop a remote agent that send data back
[31-May-2007 17:29:19] <creiht> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=684&highlight=vpn
[31-May-2007 17:29:19] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Distributed monitoring for hard to get places (at community.zenoss.com)
[31-May-2007 17:29:23] <creiht> There are some other possibilities
[31-May-2007 17:29:36] <creiht> If all you need is to know when a problem happens on the remote box
[31-May-2007 17:30:02] <creiht> You could write a script that runs on the box, and when an error happens, have it manually create an event in zenoss
[31-May-2007 17:30:54] <creiht> See: http://community.zenoss.com/docs/howtos/send-events/
[31-May-2007 17:30:54] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[31-May-2007 17:30:54] <creiht> for how to do that
[31-May-2007 17:31:09] <creiht> Another option (that I admit is probably a bit far fetched)
[31-May-2007 17:31:18] <creiht> If you have control over the appliances
[31-May-2007 17:31:41] <creiht> well nm... you wouldn't want to do what I was just thinking
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[31-May-2007 17:44:55] <smclewin> creiht - I'm back and reading the links now.
[31-May-2007 17:45:12] <smclewin> (just so you don't think I've run away just as you started posting all the work you did to answer my question)
[31-May-2007 17:47:22] <creiht> hehe
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[31-May-2007 17:51:52] <smclewin> The send-events is certainly good for events, and as we do fully control the boxes this would work. Events are a small percentage of what we collect (not on bad days...). Most of the information are performance metrics and system state - roughly 125-150 items per server. Zenoss certainly looks compelling but it appears that in its current form it won't work for our appliance boxes - I...
[31-May-2007 17:51:53] <smclewin> ...appreciate your helping me figure that out. I was not seeing answers in the architecture docs nor the forums and figured it had been a decade since I'd used IRC so why not visit an old command line friend?
[31-May-2007 17:59:08] <creiht> hehe
[31-May-2007 17:59:11] <creiht> np
[31-May-2007 17:59:15] <creiht> Keep checking back
[31-May-2007 17:59:39] <creiht> This project seems to progress quite rapidly
[31-May-2007 18:03:07] <cluther> smclewin: Still around?
[31-May-2007 18:03:19] <smclewin> Yes.
[31-May-2007 18:03:53] <cluther> smclewin: I was reading back in my log about your appliance question.. are these appliances supposed to be monitoring only themselves, or the customers' networks?
[31-May-2007 18:04:06] <smclewin> Only themselves.
[31-May-2007 18:04:50] <cluther> Would running a reverse ssh tunnel over 80 or 443 be a no-no?
[31-May-2007 18:06:06] <smclewin> Probably. Are you thinking about routing IP over the ssh tunnel?
[31-May-2007 18:06:26] <cluther> No.. I was thinking of a setup something like this ...
[31-May-2007 18:07:10] <cluther> Each appliance establishes a pubkey authenticated reverse tunnel such as -L 22:localhost:22001 back to the Zenoss server.
[31-May-2007 18:07:33] <cluther> The Zenoss server then monitors each of the appliances by simply sshing to a different port on localhost.. ie 22001
[31-May-2007 18:07:52] <cluther> You wouldn't get ping monitoring or SNMP monitoring, but you could use the zenplugins pack.
[31-May-2007 18:08:15] <cluther> And it would avoid the routing issue that a lot of people would have with a typical VPN.
[31-May-2007 18:08:19] <cluther> Just a thought.
[31-May-2007 18:10:09] <smclewin> Interesting. I'm tucking this into my evaluation notebook too. My two challenges with that are exposure of the zenoss server to the 'net and then managing all of the system-to-port mappings. I'm talking hundreds of appliance servers rather than tens. And they are Win2k3, so ssh is a bolt-on (but that can be managed and is not a fact to sway either way).
[31-May-2007 18:10:19] <cluther> Although I think an OpenVPN connection with ip_forwarding turned off on both sides would be far better.
[31-May-2007 18:10:33] <cluther> People always seem to balk when I bring it up.
[31-May-2007 18:11:00] <smclewin> But I can see ways of just telling zenoss to run through a range of ports.
[31-May-2007 18:11:50] <smclewin> ...rather than having to associate port to system. Not getting SNMP would negate some of the benefits/reason for thinking of about zenoss, but I'm glad to have more options to dig through.
[31-May-2007 18:13:51] <smclewin> (heading out, I'll find out how this unfolds in the logs tomorrow)
[31-May-2007 18:25:11] <bzed> cluther: in theory you can create a vpn with the recent openssh versions
[31-May-2007 18:27:21] <cluther> bzed: Haven't tried that yet myself.
[31-May-2007 18:32:26] <bzed> I wanted to try it all the time, but... ENOTIME
[31-May-2007 18:33:20] <cluther> heh
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[31-May-2007 20:15:56] * NytWolf still needs help with his zenoss installation ;.;
[31-May-2007 20:16:15] <NytWolf> I haven't even seen the application yet.
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[31-May-2007 20:20:13] <davetoo> howdy
[31-May-2007 20:21:11] <NytWolf> Hello
[31-May-2007 20:21:32] <tessier_> hmmm
[31-May-2007 20:21:39] <tessier_> So I finally got around to setting up zenoss.
[31-May-2007 20:21:46] <tessier_> I need to learn something about snmp I guess.
[31-May-2007 20:21:59] <NytWolf> You wouldn't happened to have had compile errors for libsmi, would you?
[31-May-2007 20:22:01] <tessier_> Because right now I really don't have anything interesting being reported.
[31-May-2007 20:22:02] <davetoo> Anybody here play with the template mix-in feature of the version 2 beta?
[31-May-2007 20:22:06] <tessier_> NytWolf: Nope
[31-May-2007 20:22:11] <NytWolf> dang
[31-May-2007 20:23:16] <davetoo> ok,
[31-May-2007 20:23:35] <davetoo> how about anybody who knows what the IpServices RRDTemplate is for?
[31-May-2007 20:26:22] <NytWolf> oh crap I think I just figured it out
[31-May-2007 20:28:21] <tessier_> hmm... bin/zendisc run doesn't find anything but my local machine. But there are dozens of machines on this network. Maybe hundreds.
[31-May-2007 20:28:40] <davetoo> How many times did you run it? Which version?
[31-May-2007 20:29:13] <tessier_> I ran it three times. Just downloaded it from zenoss.org a couple days ago and compiled from source.
[31-May-2007 20:29:29] <tessier_> INFO:zen.ZenDisc:discovered 0 active ips
[31-May-2007 20:29:36] <davetoo> Did you have zAutoDiscover = True at /networks ?
[31-May-2007 20:30:03] <davetoo> is snmpd running on the host machine?
[31-May-2007 20:30:08] <tessier_> Yes and yes
[31-May-2007 20:30:30] <tessier_> The host machine is configured as a device and it did get the OS version and a few other things from the snmpd
[31-May-2007 20:30:56] <tessier_> I shouldn't have to manually add a network to /Networks should I?
[31-May-2007 20:31:09] <davetoo> Have you run 'zendisc run --routers' ?
[31-May-2007 20:31:50] <tessier_> Yes
[31-May-2007 20:31:55] <tessier_> Just once though
[31-May-2007 20:31:55] <davetoo> Try that first/next, if you have snmp access to at least your default gateway
[31-May-2007 20:31:59] <tessier_> Not sure if it found anything...
[31-May-2007 20:32:03] <davetoo> well, that should populate /networks
[31-May-2007 20:32:20] <tessier_> I should run that as user zenoss right?
[31-May-2007 20:32:23] <tessier_> I'm reading the admin guide.
[31-May-2007 20:32:40] <davetoo> yes
[31-May-2007 20:32:59] <tessier_> It says run --routers as user zenoss and then without --routers as root
[31-May-2007 20:33:19] <davetoo> hmm
[31-May-2007 20:33:29] <davetoo> don't know why you'd want to run it as root
[31-May-2007 20:33:38] <tessier_> To get a raw socket?
[31-May-2007 20:34:03] <davetoo> "Make sure that you su zenoss to make sure you are not running in root. Running zendisc as root does not work"
[31-May-2007 20:34:12] <davetoo> from the admin guide
[31-May-2007 20:34:44] <tessier_> Right and then in the next paragraph or two it says to be root
[31-May-2007 20:34:51] <tessier_> To run zendisc without --routers
[31-May-2007 20:35:07] <tessier_> Performing full discovery of all devices on the network run ZenDisc without the --routers flag. This will need to be done as root so that a raw socket for ICMP pinging can be created.
[31-May-2007 20:35:26] <tessier_> It must not use the ping binary (which is already suid root)
[31-May-2007 20:35:30] <davetoo> oh, odd, I see that
[31-May-2007 20:35:37] <tessier_> Does my hostname need to be resolvable?
[31-May-2007 20:35:57] <tessier_> It doesn't list any routers as having been discovered
[31-May-2007 20:36:24] <tessier_> http://www.pastebin.ca/526868
[31-May-2007 20:36:24] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 526868 (at www.pastebin.ca)
[31-May-2007 20:36:24] <tessier_> That's all it says
[31-May-2007 20:36:35] <tessier_> neat bot
[31-May-2007 20:37:15] <davetoo> I dunno
[31-May-2007 20:37:28] <tessier_> I guess I have more reading to do
[31-May-2007 20:37:36] <davetoo> I never set anything up *without* working DNS
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[31-May-2007 20:38:33] <davetoo> hi chet!
[31-May-2007 20:38:55] <davetoo> Mr ZenDMD
[31-May-2007 20:43:27] <davetoo> well, I"m running zendisc as user zenoss right now and it's working,
[31-May-2007 20:43:34] <davetoo> but this is 1.9.6
[31-May-2007 20:44:00] <davetoo> I don't know if it's using zenhub or .. ?
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[31-May-2007 20:51:08] <tessier__> I gave myself a static IP and put my ip and hostname in /etc/hosts so dns shouldn't be a problem and it still doesn't find anything.
[31-May-2007 20:51:29] <tessier__> Do I need to do any configuring in my snmpd.conf to tell snmp what the routers are or anythign/
[31-May-2007 20:51:31] <tessier__> ?
[31-May-2007 20:51:37] <tessier__> I just turned on the default snmpd config in FC6
[31-May-2007 20:54:21] <davetoo> I'm not sure if you can get a routemap with the default config
[31-May-2007 20:54:28] <davetoo> does the OS tab for the server show any routes?
[31-May-2007 20:55:36] <davetoo> I replaced /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf with the single line "rocommunity public"
[31-May-2007 20:55:42] <tessier__> ah, maybe that's the problem then.
[31-May-2007 20:55:45] <tessier__> It doesn't show any routes.
[31-May-2007 20:55:47] <davetoo> I think the default file has a restricted view
[31-May-2007 20:55:53] <tessier__> Yes, it does.
[31-May-2007 20:56:16] <davetoo> Now, mind you, I'm intentionally ignoring security ramifications
[31-May-2007 20:56:35] <davetoo> because the rest of our insides are so soft and gooey already that it doesn't matter
[31-May-2007 20:57:01] <tessier__> ah, it's doing much more now.
[31-May-2007 20:57:06] <tessier__> Same here.
[31-May-2007 20:57:15] <tessier__> I'll have to learn more about snmpd before doing this on external machines.
[31-May-2007 20:58:35] <tessier__> I'm also wondering what snmpd can do that ssh can't, Rather than configure snmpd everywhere I might want to go with straight ssh.
[31-May-2007 21:00:34] <davetoo> You'd have to install other agents on the monitored systems
[31-May-2007 21:00:42] <tessier__> Right.
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[31-May-2007 21:07:23] <NytWolf> cluther
[31-May-2007 21:07:35] <NytWolf> I think I found the answer to the problem you were trying to help me with a few days ago. ^^
[31-May-2007 21:07:50] <cluther> Oh yeah, what was it?
[31-May-2007 21:08:05] <NytWolf> I'm about to try again... but I think it was the password I had.
[31-May-2007 21:08:32] <NytWolf> I made the build script echo the make line... and then I tried to run that line myself and it error'd out immediately
[31-May-2007 21:08:36] <davetoo> hey cluther thanks for all the help with zendmd
[31-May-2007 21:09:02] <NytWolf> then I looked.. there is a '(' in my password... so now I'm using one with just numbers and letters
[31-May-2007 21:09:03] <davetoo> Now I just need to learn python :|
[31-May-2007 21:09:53] <cluther> davetoo: Check out "Dive Into Python" if you haven't already. I picked up Python in a couple of weeks using only that and the Zenoss source.
[31-May-2007 21:10:13] <tessier__> wow
[31-May-2007 21:10:18] <cluther> NytWolf: Ah! I've run into that problem with MySQL passwords so many times, and I always forget about it.
[31-May-2007 21:10:24] <davetoo> They haven't let me take the time to learn it the right way Project is too important :|
[31-May-2007 21:10:25] <tessier__> Install rrdtool, restart zenoss, instant rrdtool graphs. Holy shit.
[31-May-2007 21:10:35] <davetoo> silly
[31-May-2007 21:10:57] <davetoo> but yeah, I think I have a few days of breathing room to go back to the "hello world" stage.
[31-May-2007 21:11:24] <davetoo> What I need to figure out how to do is, essentially, use zendmd non-interactively to parse some script output
[31-May-2007 21:11:33] <davetoo> and use that to add/move/remodel devices
[31-May-2007 21:11:52] <cluther> davetoo: 1.9.x or 1.1.x?
[31-May-2007 21:12:02] * NytWolf compiles with an alphanumeric password
[31-May-2007 21:12:22] <tessier__> Anyone know if zenoss can take data from sar and graph things like iowait? I'm surprised I don't see a bandwidth graph here already...
[31-May-2007 21:12:30] <davetoo> well I want to move to 2 as soon as it's stable but I think I'll need to work with 1.1.x for a few months still
[31-May-2007 21:12:57] <davetoo> tessier__: if not, write a nagios plugin
[31-May-2007 21:13:21] <cluther> davetoo: To get zendmd like functionality in a non-interactive script in 1.1.x you make your script extend ZCmdBase
[31-May-2007 21:13:28] <davetoo> I wrote a nagios plugin in shell that parses rup() output
[31-May-2007 21:13:32] <tessier__> davetoo: zenoss takes nagios plugins?
[31-May-2007 21:13:37] <davetoo> yep
[31-May-2007 21:13:48] <tessier__> Cool. I already have some python code that will work with it then.
[31-May-2007 21:13:51] <cluther> tessier__: And Cacti plugins.
[31-May-2007 21:13:56] <davetoo> but you have to create an RRDTemplate and associated datasource
[31-May-2007 21:14:20] <davetoo> cluther: ok on extending zcmdbase
[31-May-2007 21:14:23] <davetoo> will look there
[31-May-2007 21:14:38] <davetoo> what's coming in 2?
[31-May-2007 21:14:42] <cluther> davetoo: It gives you access to the dmd, which gives you access to everything..
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[31-May-2007 21:14:55] <cluther> davetoo: ZenScriptBase would be the class to extend in 2.0
[31-May-2007 21:15:40] <davetoo> Have you played with the mix-in template feature in 1.9.x/2?
[31-May-2007 21:16:01] <davetoo> I'
[31-May-2007 21:16:24] <cluther> Yeah! It's great.. it allows for what basically amounts to multiple inheritance for performance templates.
[31-May-2007 21:16:25] <davetoo> I'm really looking forward to that but haven't found any docs yet. But I haven't peeked at any 1.9.x/2 code at all yet
[31-May-2007 21:16:43] <davetoo> cluther: which is what I asked about on the list about a week after I started learning/using zenoss
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[31-May-2007 21:16:52] <cluther> davetoo: I remember that.
[31-May-2007 21:16:57] <_jellydonut_> evenin all
[31-May-2007 21:17:15] <cluther> cluther: It is so stupidly easy.. there is a zProperty you can set called something like "zDeviceTemplates" that accepts a list.
[31-May-2007 21:17:17] <davetoo> Iv'e gotta say, I am incredibly impressed with the Zenoss staff
[31-May-2007 21:17:49] <davetoo> They're the most right-thinking, responsive, productive project team I've ever seen
[31-May-2007 21:17:57] <cluther> davetoo: The default contains "Device" but if you wanted some DHCP stuff you could create a DHCP template anywhere up the hierarchy and add "DHCP" to the zDeviceTemplates prop.
[31-May-2007 21:18:04] <cluther> davetoo: Glad you think so!
[31-May-2007 21:18:20] <cluther> _jellydonut_: Evening, jelly.
[31-May-2007 21:18:41] * davetoo is not quite sure where you fit into the project, just a power-user or offical team member
[31-May-2007 21:18:46] <_jellydonut_> need some help in getting a few services started
[31-May-2007 21:19:12] <cluther> cluther: Used to be a power-user, now I work in client services. What amounts to technical support for commercial customers.
[31-May-2007 21:19:20] <davetoo> cool
[31-May-2007 21:19:30] <cluther> cluther: We're pretty excited to have someone from NetApp poking around in the project too.
[31-May-2007 21:19:37] <_jellydonut_> when i try and start zenperfsnmp, i get a trace - AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'QueryFactory'
[31-May-2007 21:19:45] <_jellydonut_> No clues, checked forums
[31-May-2007 21:19:54] <cluther> _jellydonut_: What version of zenoss?
[31-May-2007 21:20:22] <_jellydonut_> 1.1.2
[31-May-2007 21:20:40] <davetoo> Oh, I did a survey the other day and we have about 10,000 systems monitored among our five engineering sites. But that is the stripped-down, load-average-only monitoring I've been talking about.
[31-May-2007 21:21:10] <davetoo> ok, time to go split traffic on my bike for 45 minutes to get home.
[31-May-2007 21:21:22] <cluther> davetoo: Good luck.
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[31-May-2007 21:22:25] <cluther> _jellydonut_: Are you running zenperfsnmp start as the zenoss user?
[31-May-2007 21:22:31] <_jellydonut_> trying to
[31-May-2007 21:23:13] <_jellydonut_> i have 5 or so services that don't start with the same error
[31-May-2007 21:24:13] <cluther> Appears to have something to do with the xmlrpc module. What version of Python are you using?
[31-May-2007 21:24:23] <_jellydonut_> 2.4 on ubuntu 7.04
[31-May-2007 21:27:44] <cluther> As the zenoss user, run python to get into the interactive interpreter..
[31-May-2007 21:27:56] <_jellydonut_> done
[31-May-2007 21:27:59] <cluther> At the >>> prompt try running "from twisted.web import xmlrpc"
[31-May-2007 21:28:39] <_jellydonut_> no module named twisted.web
[31-May-2007 21:28:54] <cluther> ah, okay. What installation method did you use? Source?
[31-May-2007 21:29:02] <_jellydonut_> Yes
[31-May-2007 21:29:16] <cluther> I guess that's your only choice on Ubuntu.
[31-May-2007 21:29:24] <_jellydonut_> yup
[31-May-2007 21:30:31] <cluther> Try running "make twisted-install" from the zenossinst dir.
[31-May-2007 21:31:02] <_jellydonut_> done
[31-May-2007 21:31:28] <cluther> Are you installing to /opt/zenoss?
[31-May-2007 21:31:55] <_jellydonut_> to usr/local/zenoss
[31-May-2007 21:32:16] <cluther> Check to see if you have /usr/local/zenoss/lib/python/twisted/web/xmlrpc.py
[31-May-2007 21:32:46] <_jellydonut_> yup
[31-May-2007 21:33:16] <cluther> Did you setup your zenoss user's .bash_profile like the install doc mentions?
[31-May-2007 21:33:28] <_jellydonut_> sure did
[31-May-2007 21:33:46] <cluther> hmm.. try starting zenperfsnmp again
[31-May-2007 21:34:17] <_jellydonut_> same
[31-May-2007 21:34:38] <cluther> What's "echo $PYTHONPATH" say?
[31-May-2007 21:34:59] <_jellydonut_> think I found it
[31-May-2007 21:35:48] <cluther> Cool.. let me know. I haven't seen this one before.
[31-May-2007 21:35:57] <_jellydonut_> usr/local/zenoss/lib/python
[31-May-2007 21:36:03] <_jellydonut_> Wasn't what I thought
[31-May-2007 21:37:33] <_jellydonut_> I did have al ittle fat finger in my .bashrc but that wasn't it
[31-May-2007 21:40:17] <cluther> still looking..
[31-May-2007 21:40:23] <_jellydonut_> cool
[31-May-2007 21:47:27] <cluther> hmm.. this is weird.
[31-May-2007 21:47:33] <_jellydonut_> you are telling me
[31-May-2007 21:47:49] <cluther> Did you download the 1.1.2 source tarball, or grab the tag from SVN?
[31-May-2007 21:48:08] <_jellydonut_> downloaded the 1.1.2 source tarball
[31-May-2007 21:48:45] <cluther> I think your code and libs are not quite in sync.
[31-May-2007 21:48:59] <cluther> Is there a specific reason you're using 1.1.2 instead of the 2.0 beta?
[31-May-2007 21:49:06] <_jellydonut_> nope
[31-May-2007 21:49:43] <_jellydonut_> i am looking at replacing nagios and need something that will scale better and I came across zenoss
[31-May-2007 21:50:04] <_jellydonut_> since it does better discovery I am hooked, now just need to get it to work and test it
[31-May-2007 21:50:19] <cluther> Cool.. 2.0 should be released soon. I'd recommend following the SVN install instructions with one addendum.
[31-May-2007 21:50:27] <_jellydonut_> okie
[31-May-2007 21:51:31] <cluther> export SVNTAG="tags/zenoss-1.9.7" for the install so you get that tag instead of the bleeding edge.
[31-May-2007 21:51:45] <_jellydonut_> I will start fresh in the morn
[31-May-2007 21:51:53] <cluther> Cool.. good luck.
[31-May-2007 21:52:00] <_jellydonut_> thanks
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[31-May-2007 22:05:32] <NytWolf> cluther: Have a new error...
[31-May-2007 22:05:40] <NytWolf> Good news is that it go through libsmi
[31-May-2007 22:05:59] <cluther> Baby steps, eh?
[31-May-2007 22:06:43] <NytWolf> Nah, I don't think so. I'm just mentioning it, I'll trying to work with it first before requesting help
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[01-May-2007 20:21:41] <b52GM> hi
[01-May-2007 20:32:43] <b52GM> do you know were i can find the snmpCycleTime parameter
[01-May-2007 20:32:46] <b52GM> ?
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[02-May-2007 04:36:38] <Foley> Hellò! Is there a zenoss server for windows?
[02-May-2007 04:37:40] <Foley> I guess not
[02-May-2007 04:39:25] <b52GM> Foley,
[02-May-2007 04:39:28] <bzed> you don't wanna run something liek zenoss under windows
[02-May-2007 04:39:57] <b52GM> Foley, i don't want to be impolite man , but could i ask what dd you eat this morning
?[02-May-2007 04:39:59] <bzed> except you like to have pain
[02-May-2007 04:48:30] <b52GM> epople i have change the ZsnmpCycle
[02-May-2007 04:48:40] <b52GM> but how to tell zenoss
[02-May-2007 04:48:53] <b52GM> to reload the RDD graph
[02-May-2007 04:48:58] <b52GM> and use these parameters
[02-May-2007 04:48:59] <b52GM> ?
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[02-May-2007 04:55:43] <foo> Does zenoss create graphs of things such as system load? Or any plugin I create... ?
[02-May-2007 04:59:54] <Foley> b52GM: egg and bacon
[02-May-2007 04:59:59] <Foley> bzed: okei..
[02-May-2007 05:00:13] <Foley> then this system is not for us.
[02-May-2007 05:00:21] <Foley>
[02-May-2007 05:00:26] <b52GM> Foley, wait
[02-May-2007 05:01:13] <b52GM> Foley, zenoss is based under zope , and zope under windows you can just shutdoan and start , i mean if you want push the things further , it must me a *Unix like
[02-May-2007 05:01:22] <b52GM> or you gone get problem !
[02-May-2007 05:02:01] <bzed> in theory it could run under windows
[02-May-2007 05:02:06] <bzed> I'm pretty sure
[02-May-2007 05:02:15] <b52GM> yeah it will run
[02-May-2007 05:02:18] <bzed> but again, it would be pain
[02-May-2007 05:02:28] <b52GM> but if it crash you will not know the reason
[02-May-2007 05:02:38] <foo> Any ideas?
[02-May-2007 05:02:42] <foo> I don't seem to see anything on the website
[02-May-2007 05:02:42] <b52GM> Foley, zope under windows is like Bondage
[02-May-2007 05:02:45] <bzed> that's not the only problem
[02-May-2007 05:03:24] <bzed> Foley: there's not any serious network monitoring system that runs under windows. detup a linux box and run zenoss (or whatever else you prefer), you can use sucky IE to control it later
[02-May-2007 05:04:17] <foo> Foley: Use VMware under Windows
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[02-May-2007 05:13:48] <b52GM> how could do to see the graphs in reel time
[02-May-2007 05:13:51] <b52GM> is it possile
[02-May-2007 05:13:51] <b52GM> ?
[02-May-2007 05:14:10] <b52GM> i mean graphs reloaded every 5 seconde or stull like that
[02-May-2007 05:14:12] <b52GM> ?
[02-May-2007 05:14:33] <bzed> doesn't make sense imho
[02-May-2007 05:14:45] <b52GM> euh !
[02-May-2007 05:15:10] <b52GM> bzed, i mean yu don't see that as usefull stuff
?[02-May-2007 05:15:17] <bzed> no
[02-May-2007 05:15:32] * b52GM send to bzed a tea cup
[02-May-2007 05:15:44] <bzed>
[02-May-2007 05:15:54] <b52GM> bzed, but is it possibe ?
[02-May-2007 05:16:59] <bzed> no clue, sorry (well, you have the code, so it is possible, but I don;t know enough about zenoss yet to know how to do it at all)
[02-May-2007 05:20:44] <b52GM> bzed, a guy on the mailling list just reply to me and describe to me how to do , but it can not make it work
[02-May-2007 05:20:47] <b52GM> anyway
[02-May-2007 05:20:48] <b52GM>
[02-May-2007 05:20:51] <b52GM>
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[02-May-2007 10:37:06] <erastes> so anyone know how to enable anonymous access to parts of zenoss (like the simple dashboard)?
[02-May-2007 10:37:22] <erastes> the new version has a different login mechanism that seems to prevent anonymous access
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[02-May-2007 10:40:22] <b52GM> did someone executed this tutto successufully http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToSimpleDashboard
[02-May-2007 10:40:22] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToSimpleDashboard - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-May-2007 10:40:24] <b52GM> i for some problem to implement this tuto
[02-May-2007 10:40:41] <erastes> I've read that
[02-May-2007 10:40:53] <erastes> and triple checked every part of it to make sure I'm in compliance
[02-May-2007 10:41:00] <creiht> As I understand that, it doesn't work for the latest version
[02-May-2007 10:41:09] <creiht> erastes: What version are you running?
[02-May-2007 10:41:17] <erastes> I forget, let me check
[02-May-2007 10:41:36] <erastes> 1.1.1
[02-May-2007 10:42:08] <creiht> erastes: Do you need people to see everything in the dashboard, or just say the graphs
[02-May-2007 10:42:19] <erastes> erastes: pretty much everything
[02-May-2007 10:42:37] <erastes> and it needs to be embeddable in an iframe so no wget post tricks
[02-May-2007 10:42:38] <b52GM> is it possble to make real time monitoring on a interfaces for an exemple ? 5 seconde for example or so
[02-May-2007 10:42:39] <b52GM> ?
[02-May-2007 10:42:55] <erastes> er, I meant to direct my comment to creiht
[02-May-2007 10:43:01] <erastes> not myself obviously
[02-May-2007 10:43:49] <creiht> The one thing that I have done
[02-May-2007 10:43:56] <creiht> Is set it up so that I can link the graphs
[02-May-2007 10:44:06] <erastes> yea I saw a post on that
[02-May-2007 10:44:07] <creiht> I then created a page in our corporate wiki
[02-May-2007 10:44:21] <creiht> That displays all the important graphs
[02-May-2007 10:44:35] <creiht> But that doesn't sound like what you are looking for
[02-May-2007 10:44:56] <erastes> yea, I imagine that there will be an updated method for anonymous access
[02-May-2007 10:45:12] <erastes> but it's kind of annoying to upgrade and have that feature gone/changed
[02-May-2007 10:47:02] <b52GM> h so one see the utility of real time monitoring :d
[02-May-2007 10:52:03] <b52GM> poeple how could i acceess to the zmi ?
[02-May-2007 10:52:17] <b52GM> http://127.0.0.1:8080/zport
[02-May-2007 10:52:24] <b52GM> --> send me automaticcly to the dmd
[02-May-2007 10:52:25] <b52GM> zone
[02-May-2007 10:52:27] <b52GM> ?
[02-May-2007 10:52:41] <erastes> http://yourserver:8080/manage
[02-May-2007 10:53:01] <b52GM> erastes, thks
[02-May-2007 11:49:08] <b52GM> any one got a link that permit to create kind of a ash road but with specified graphs on certains interfaces , if he could look like this one http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToSimpleDashboard ?
[02-May-2007 11:49:08] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToSimpleDashboard - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[02-May-2007 14:47:04] <foo> Is there a way to have zenoss create graphs of something such as zenoss?
[02-May-2007 14:47:14] <erastes> what?
[02-May-2007 14:47:30] <erastes> english, do you speak it?
[02-May-2007 14:47:31] <foo> I mean, such as system load
[02-May-2007 14:47:31] <foo> haha
[02-May-2007 14:47:54] <erastes> you mean like plot load averages?
[02-May-2007 14:48:21] <foo> Yeah, a plot graph works
[02-May-2007 14:48:54] <erastes> I don't think there's a way to do this out of the box without coding some stuff for zenoss.
[02-May-2007 14:49:24] <erastes> personally, when I want to graph custom metrics I use bash/perl + mysql to store the data and then either rddtool or jpgraph to write the graphs.
[02-May-2007 14:49:40] <erastes> there's probably a "right" way to do it and integrate it with zenoss but I'm not sure.
[02-May-2007 14:51:27] <foo> gah, ok
[02-May-2007 14:51:31] * foo is on nagios now, thinking about moving
[02-May-2007 14:52:18] <erastes> nagios is a pain, if you can change it's definitely worth it
[02-May-2007 14:52:48] <foo> I know it very well, have about 20 devices setup on it
[02-May-2007 14:53:00] <foo> But yeah, I've seen zenoss in person, been to a talk, and have 2 zenoss hats
[02-May-2007 14:53:00] <foo>
[02-May-2007 14:53:34] * erastes has no hat
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[02-May-2007 14:54:20] <foo> hehe
[02-May-2007 14:55:03] <chet> foo: Zenoss graphs load average by default on any system with a Net-SNMP agent installed.
[02-May-2007 14:55:50] <erastes> it does load average?
[02-May-2007 14:55:51] <erastes> since when?
[02-May-2007 14:56:15] <chet> I only started using at version 0.23, but since then at least.
[02-May-2007 14:56:43] <erastes> I've seen memory and cpu usage but not load averages
[02-May-2007 14:57:01] <erastes> oh there it is
[02-May-2007 14:57:06] * erastes is on crack today
[02-May-2007 14:57:13] <chet> I get 5 minute load average, cpu utilization, cpu idle, free memory and free swap.
[02-May-2007 14:57:33] <erastes> yea I see it now.
[02-May-2007 14:57:46] <erastes> foo: well there you go
[02-May-2007 14:58:24] <foo> sweet, thanks
[02-May-2007 14:58:27] <chet> foo: You'll also get interface throughput/packets/errors and file system utilization.
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[02-May-2007 15:01:28] <foo> chet: hm, can you take a screenshot for me by any chance? I didn't see one on the site
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[02-May-2007 15:10:20] <chet> Take a look at http://www.zenoss.com/product/tour/graphing
[02-May-2007 15:10:20] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Product Tour : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[02-May-2007 15:11:16] <chet> That screenshot is a bit out of date though. The "swoopy" graphs have been added since then. You can navigate and zoom in/out on the performance graphs now.
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[02-May-2007 15:19:06] <foo> chet: ahhh, sweet.
[02-May-2007 15:19:14] <foo> chet: I thought that was just mrtg and skimmed over it
[02-May-2007 15:19:15] <foo>
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[02-May-2007 16:26:00] <mdbalderas> trying to rebuild Zenoss from the rhel5 src rpm and getting a
[02-May-2007 16:26:08] <mdbalderas> "replace: command not found"
[02-May-2007 16:26:31] <mdbalderas> can't find package to install containing the replace command
[02-May-2007 16:26:35] <mdbalderas> anyone have any idea?
[02-May-2007 16:29:01] <progma> is it on your system at all? in /usr/bin on my 4 and 5 boxes
[02-May-2007 16:29:26] <mdbalderas> nope
[02-May-2007 16:29:39] <mdbalderas> can you rpm -qf /usr/bin/replace ?
[02-May-2007 16:32:24] <mdbalderas> nevermind...found it on another of my boxes, installed from mysql-server
[02-May-2007 16:32:30] <chet> mdbalderas: It looks to be part of the
[02-May-2007 16:32:33] <chet> .. yup
[02-May-2007 16:32:51] <mdbalderas> weird that the rpm-build --rebuild had a dep error for mysql but not mysql-server
[02-May-2007 16:33:28] <chet> Every distribution calls their mysql packages by different names..
[02-May-2007 16:33:34] <chet> It's a pain.
[02-May-2007 16:33:50] <mdbalderas> but I am using the rhel5.src.rpm of zenoss on a rhel5 box
[02-May-2007 16:33:55] <mdbalderas> that's the rub
[02-May-2007 16:34:10] <mdbalderas> ah well...working now
[02-May-2007 16:34:33] <chet> Oh.. I'd report that to the mailing list or create a ticket in that case.
[02-May-2007 16:34:50] <chet> Better to get these packaging issues sorted out now with 2.0 coming down the pike.
[02-May-2007 16:39:09] <mdbalderas> yeah...recreating for exact error and submiting a ticket now
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[03-May-2007 06:54:18] <dmnd> hi
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[03-May-2007 08:36:41] <mw`> hi
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[03-May-2007 08:41:46] <mw`> is it possible to run zenoss as a distributed service? not only the sensors should be distributed but also the webfrondends should be. eg theres one huge zenoss monitoring many small zenoss installations
[03-May-2007 08:46:01] <erastes> if you get it running through apache you could probably use ultramonkey
[03-May-2007 08:46:05] <erastes> and clustered mysql
[03-May-2007 08:48:50] <mw`> uhm, we are planning to monitor several subsidiary companies, each with their own monitoring tool, and one central tool at the headquarters
[03-May-2007 08:53:19] <mw`> nagios has some nice feature to forward any event to another nagios instance (called "obessive compulsive service processor")
[03-May-2007 08:58:24] <mw`> btw there is a 2.0 tag in subversion, is this the 2.0 final?
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[03-May-2007 15:23:23] <jimmy-james> i am playing with the vm image and have successfully added my first device, but there are no interfaces showing up for the device, anyone experience this problem before?
[03-May-2007 15:24:02] <jimmy-james> maybe snmp isnt configured on the device i added properly
[03-May-2007 15:26:41] <dmnd> try a snmpwalk on that system
[03-May-2007 15:28:00] <jimmy-james> what params do i have to pass to that command
[03-May-2007 15:28:11] <jimmy-james> i tried snmpwalk hostname.com
[03-May-2007 15:28:22] <jimmy-james> but i got snmpwalk: No securityName specified back
[03-May-2007 15:28:39] <dmnd> snmpwalk -c community plep.tld
[03-May-2007 15:30:08] <jimmy-james> what is plep.tld is that the host?
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[03-May-2007 15:30:58] <dmnd> yes
[03-May-2007 15:31:32] <progma> what os are you guys running zenoss in
[03-May-2007 15:31:42] <jimmy-james> hmm i keep on getting No securityName
[03-May-2007 15:32:02] <progma> that sounds like snmp
[03-May-2007 15:32:09] <jimmy-james> snmpwalk -c community hostname.com is what i ran
[03-May-2007 15:32:27] <progma> dmnd: what is your public r/o community name
[03-May-2007 15:33:00] <dmnd> progma: i'm still on nagios, but i want to try out zenoss because of the trending support
[03-May-2007 15:33:22] <dmnd> jimmy-james: you need to place community to public or whatever you have set yhe community to on your host
[03-May-2007 15:33:48] <progma> dmnd: does it make a diff if you change snmp version i.e. "snmpwalk -v 1 -c public host" or -v 2c
[03-May-2007 15:34:00] <dmnd> yes
[03-May-2007 15:35:47] <jimmy-james> it looks like its set to public in my snmpd.conf and my device's settings
[03-May-2007 15:35:55] <jimmy-james> http://dpaste.com/9560/
[03-May-2007 15:35:55] <adytum-bot> Title: dpaste: #9560: snmpd.conf, by jimmy (at dpaste.com)
[03-May-2007 15:36:14] <jimmy-james> dmnd: could you possibly paste a sample snmpd.conf ?
[03-May-2007 15:38:07] <dmnd> http://dpaste.com/9561/
[03-May-2007 15:38:07] <adytum-bot> Title: dpaste: #9561: bla, by dmnd (at dpaste.com)
[03-May-2007 15:45:51] <progma> yup
[03-May-2007 15:46:04] <progma> dmnd: snmpwalk -v 1 -c public host system
[03-May-2007 15:46:13] <progma> where host is your hostname
[03-May-2007 15:46:29] <dmnd> progma: jimmy-james has a problem ;>
[03-May-2007 15:46:55] <progma> oh sorry
[03-May-2007 15:47:17] <progma> too many windows :|
[03-May-2007 15:47:57] <dmnd> doesnt matter
[03-May-2007 15:55:41] <jimmy-james> yeah i guess i just dont understand this snmpd.conf file
[03-May-2007 15:55:58] <jimmy-james> trying to figure out what the lines mean
[03-May-2007 15:58:50] <progma> jimmy-james: what kind of server hardware
[03-May-2007 15:59:15] <jimmy-james> its just an ubuntu box sitting in my room
[03-May-2007 15:59:47] <jimmy-james> not an ideal server, but i just wanted to play with zenoss to see how it compares to nagios
[03-May-2007 16:02:35] <progma> i was trying out zabbix as a replacement for nagios since i like it's built in graphing (plus i have painful memories of getting nagiosgraph working)
[03-May-2007 16:02:57] <progma> but its templates are retarded it takes like 8 yrs to add an item then a trigger and then add it to your maps
[03-May-2007 16:03:01] <progma> great for free though
[03-May-2007 16:03:15] <jimmy-james> yeah, the configuration was a hassle
[03-May-2007 16:03:42] <progma> so, i'm checking out zenoss as a replacement for nagios/fruity and cacti basically
[03-May-2007 16:03:59] <dmnd> progma: same here
[03-May-2007 16:04:03] <jimmy-james> yeah
[03-May-2007 16:04:18] <jimmy-james> it all seems great so far, slick interface
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[03-May-2007 18:39:54] <garrett__> I'm trying to install zenoss on debian following the zforum.org thread, but installing Zope2.9 gives me a Zope2.9: no instances found after installing, and I have a feeling that's why I can't create the zope and zeo instances with dzhandle.
[03-May-2007 18:39:56] <garrett__> any ideas?
[03-May-2007 18:45:00] <bzed> yeah, two ideas
[03-May-2007 18:45:29] <bzed> 1. wait for debian packages (we wann have them ready at the end of may)
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[03-May-2007 18:46:38] <bzed> 2. http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1551&highlight= << follow this
[03-May-2007 18:46:38] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Installing on Debian etch using mostly native packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[03-May-2007 18:46:38] <chris_d> Can someone help with email alerts? I've read the docs and the forums, and I *think* I've done everything right, but I don't receive alerts.
[03-May-2007 18:46:57] <garrett__> bzed: that's the walkthrough that i'm following, actually.
[03-May-2007 18:47:16] <garrett__> everything works up to the dzhandle
[03-May-2007 18:47:28] <bzed> that's the problem with dzhandle?
[03-May-2007 18:47:37] <bzed> paste your command and the output in a pastebin please
[03-May-2007 18:47:43] <bzed> *what's....
[03-May-2007 18:50:18] <garrett__> bzed: well, I tought that dzhandle was throwing the error "no such option: --addon-mode" because maybe my zope install from the apt didn't finish correcly, and that there might be an older version sitting on the server somewhere.
[03-May-2007 18:51:13] <bzed> can you put all error messages and you commands into a pastebin please?
[03-May-2007 18:51:25] <bzed> I can't read minds, unfortunately
[03-May-2007 18:52:05] <garrett__> sure
[03-May-2007 18:53:41] <garrett__> http://pastebin.ca/469834
[03-May-2007 18:53:41] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - dzhandle - post number 469834 (at pastebin.ca)
[03-May-2007 18:56:08] <bzed> and the error of apt while isntalling zope?
[03-May-2007 18:57:13] <bzed> ah
[03-May-2007 18:57:16] <bzed> I see the problem
[03-May-2007 18:57:31] <bzed> dzhandle -z2.9 -u zenoss make-zopeinstance zenoss --addon-mode=manual --user=admin:zenoss --service-user=zenoss:zope --service-port=8080
[03-May-2007 18:57:34] <garrett__> well, it might be an error from zope if zope's trying to start right after the install finished.
[03-May-2007 18:57:35] <bzed> use this
[03-May-2007 18:57:41] <bzed> no
[03-May-2007 18:57:55] <bzed> it only tries to find isntances and doesn;t do anything if there's no instance
[03-May-2007 18:58:09] <garrett__> oh
[03-May-2007 18:58:09] <garrett__> ok
[03-May-2007 18:58:12] <bzed> but you ahve to create a zopeinstance there, and not a zeoinstance
[03-May-2007 18:58:28] <garrett__> ok
[03-May-2007 19:00:18] <garrett__> hm. knowing action ' make-zopeinstance'
[03-May-2007 19:01:39] <bzed> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6210#6210
[03-May-2007 19:01:39] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Installing on Debian etch using mostly native packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[03-May-2007 19:02:25] <garrett__> erp
[03-May-2007 19:02:40] <garrett__> i ran that, but got "unknown action 'make-zopeinstance'
[03-May-2007 19:02:43] <garrett__> running zope2.9
[03-May-2007 19:05:30] <garrett__> maybe make-instance, instead?
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[03-May-2007 19:23:15] <bzed> garrett__: err yes, of course
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[04-May-2007 14:38:45] <garrett__> Hi. Any idea why run_zenbuild would error out with "unable to create the initial Zenoss object database"?
[04-May-2007 14:39:35] <garrett__> zenbuild.log says "ImportError: No module named Globals" in a python traceback from /srv/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/zenbuild.py
[04-May-2007 14:49:26] <foo> It's just as easy to make plugins for zenoss as it is for nagios, right?
[04-May-2007 14:50:15] <chet> garrett__: That error is normally the result of not having the environment setup properly with ZENHOME/etc..
[04-May-2007 14:50:39] <chet> foo: Zenoss can use Nagios plugins unmodified, so I'd say it is exactly as easy.
[04-May-2007 14:51:04] <chet> foo: For most SNMP monitoring you don't even need plugins though, so those applications would be even easier.
[04-May-2007 14:51:10] <foo> chet: Thought so. If I have, say, 30 devices I want to monitor. Will 512mb of ram or such suffice?
[04-May-2007 14:51:15] <foo> chet: cool
[04-May-2007 14:51:37] <chet> yeah, 30 devices should be no problem at all.
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[04-May-2007 15:01:58] <foo> chet: thanks. I plan on setting this up in a VM in ubuntu soon.
[04-May-2007 15:16:47] <garrett__> should there be a Globals.py in $ZENHOME/lib/python?
[04-May-2007 15:17:01] <garrett__> or does zenoss import zope's Globals?
[04-May-2007 15:23:06] <garrett__> because there's no Globals.py in my $ZENHOME/lib/python
[04-May-2007 15:24:20] <chet> garrett__: I do have Globals.py in that directory.
[04-May-2007 15:24:32] <garrett__> I'm pretty sure that's what my issue is, then
[04-May-2007 15:24:42] <garrett__> there's no Globals.py in the package that I downloaded.
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[04-May-2007 15:37:20] <bzed> which one did you download?
[04-May-2007 15:43:11] <garrett__> 1.1.1
[04-May-2007 15:43:19] <garrett__> downloading 1.1.2 right now
[04-May-2007 16:22:39] <garrett__> should zenoss-1.1.2 have a Globals.py or something in the tarball?
[04-May-2007 16:22:43] <garrett__> I just unpacked it and it's not there.
[04-May-2007 16:25:45] <garrett__> or does that come from Zope?
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[04-May-2007 17:21:01] <garrett__> soooo.. is Globals.py supposed to be in $ZENHOME/lib/python?
[04-May-2007 17:21:14] <garrett__> because there is no Globals.py in either 1.1.1 or 1.1.2 source packages.
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[04-May-2007 17:37:59] <mdbalderas> RHEL5, testing email addresses and alerting all tagging /var/log/maillog with "did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA"
[04-May-2007 17:38:01] <mdbalderas> any ideas?
[04-May-2007 17:45:13] <progma> just info
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[04-May-2007 17:45:34] <progma> not serious; means there wasn't a full smtp conversation i think
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[04-May-2007 17:55:53] <garrett__> still no ideas on where that Globals.py comes from?
[04-May-2007 17:56:10] <garrett__> I can't find a single Globals.py on my system...
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[04-May-2007 17:58:21] <garrett__> I even checked svn and the 1.1.2 rpm
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[05-May-2007 12:17:09] <darcon> How do you search for values in custom fields?
[05-May-2007 12:17:35] <darcon> the search box on the top seems to only find device names
[05-May-2007 12:25:56] <darcon> the features page says "Search for resources using custom fields" so I must just be missing something
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[07-May-2007 07:01:41] <iuso> hi, i have a problem. i want to see network traffic graphs for each linux server on the same page where the cpu and disk usage graphs etc. are shown. in effect i want to merge the ethernetCsmacd perfconf with the /Devices/Server/Linux perfconf
[07-May-2007 07:02:24] <iuso> is that possible with some handy feature or do i need to copy all the datasources, thresholds and graphs by hand?
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[07-May-2007 12:45:43] <chris_d> Good morning. I'm getting strange (and incorrect) numbers for disk partitions on one of my Solaris systems.
[07-May-2007 12:46:08] <chris_d> Can somebody tell me how to determine the source of the data?
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[07-May-2007 14:39:09] <zntneo> anyone know why i can't install zenoss on os x?
[07-May-2007 14:39:13] <zntneo> I get this error make: *** [mysql-python-install] Error 1
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[07-May-2007 14:42:19] <zntneo> anyone?
[07-May-2007 14:45:40] <_chris_> zntneo: check your build/zenbuild.log
[07-May-2007 14:45:44] <_chris_> there should be more details in there
[07-May-2007 14:45:52] <_chris_> you might be missing the Python.h file
[07-May-2007 14:45:57] <_chris_> although on osx i think that's installed by default
[07-May-2007 14:46:09] <zntneo> it say si'm missing mysql.h
[07-May-2007 14:46:18] <_chris_> did you install mysql via fink?
[07-May-2007 14:46:20] <zntneo> mysqld_error.h and errmsg.h
[07-May-2007 14:46:30] <zntneo> via macports
[07-May-2007 14:46:51] <_chris_> hmm... i installed via fink so my version of those files are in /sw/include
[07-May-2007 14:47:06] <zntneo> how do i get it so they are found?
[07-May-2007 14:47:40] <_chris_> i'm not sure how gcc under osx resolves the header files. i know it ultimately boils down to either the CFLAGS variable
[07-May-2007 14:47:53] <_chris_> or some file somewhere that lists what directories are supposed to be included in the search path
[07-May-2007 14:49:07] <zntneo> what did you do with the fink install?
[07-May-2007 14:49:37] <_chris_> long long time ago i just installed fink (followed the instructions on their website)
[07-May-2007 14:49:42] <_chris_> and then installed mysql
[07-May-2007 14:49:56] <_chris_> the fink installation process must set some include search path in /etc somewhere
[07-May-2007 14:50:13] <zntneo> so zenoss installe djust fine?
[07-May-2007 14:51:42] <_chris_> oh yes.
[07-May-2007 14:51:51] <_chris_> many of us use OSX as our development platform
[07-May-2007 14:51:59] <zntneo> i think i fixed it
[07-May-2007 14:52:10] <_chris_> was it a file in /etc somewhere?
[07-May-2007 14:52:21] <zntneo> had to change a few lines in setup.py
[07-May-2007 14:53:07] <zntneo> i think it was because i am using mysql5
[07-May-2007 15:02:50] <zntneo> now i get make: *** [nagios-install]
[07-May-2007 15:03:29] <zntneo> Error 2
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[07-May-2007 16:05:10] <dan__t> 'afternoon.
[07-May-2007 16:05:30] <dan__t> Anyone know what might be able to explain this one, when gathering data on a device manually: http://pastebin.ca/475937
[07-May-2007 16:05:30] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Mine - post number 475937 (at pastebin.ca)
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[07-May-2007 16:35:16] <garrett__> If I'm building an admin panel, is there a way to filter the options presented when using an admin_double_list? I don't want all the entries for that table in the listing.
[07-May-2007 16:36:18] <garrett__> doh
[07-May-2007 16:36:21] <garrett__> wrong window.
[07-May-2007 16:36:25] <garrett__> right question/right window:
[07-May-2007 16:36:32] <garrett__> I posted a thread on the forums on friday, but haven't received a response about this: In the rpm's for 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 there is a /lib/python/Globals.py file. This file doesn't exist in the source packages. Is there a reason for that? ./zenbuild errors out saying that it can't find Globals.py
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[07-May-2007 17:00:44] <garrett__> So I copied the globals.py file from the 1.1.2 rpm (trying to install the 1.1.2 source distro), and now I get a floating point exception in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/zenbuild.py
[07-May-2007 17:06:23] <bzed> garrett__: did you ppost that on the zenoss-dev mailing list?
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[08-May-2007 02:06:25] <Snake-Eyes> this is strange, zenoss isnt sending off emails when a alert is reached, yet it did before
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[08-May-2007 02:36:45] <Snake-Eyes> is there a full changelog some where showing whats been done between 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 ?
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[08-May-2007 06:18:07] <yeled> oi
[08-May-2007 06:18:40] <yeled> can someone tell me why all commands are "missing Globals.py" ?
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[08-May-2007 06:20:50] <yeled> it's been a month since i last tried to zendisc.py
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[08-May-2007 07:05:20] <yeled> ok
[08-May-2007 07:05:28] <yeled> export PYTHONPATH=$ZENHOME/lib/python
[08-May-2007 07:05:29] <yeled>
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[08-May-2007 07:41:49] <yeled> oops
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[08-May-2007 10:05:15] <zntneo> dangn't i'm getting an error again when i try installing zenoss
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[08-May-2007 10:06:01] <zntneo> make: *** [mysql-python-install] Error 1
[08-May-2007 10:07:15] <zntneo> here is my zenbuild.log http://www.pastebin.ca/477122
[08-May-2007 10:07:15] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Anonymous - post number 477122 (at www.pastebin.ca)
[08-May-2007 10:07:15] <zntneo> can anyone help?
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[08-May-2007 10:08:51] <zntneo> anyone?
[08-May-2007 10:19:39] <zntneo> why can't it just work!
[08-May-2007 10:43:22] <creiht> zntneo: What platform?
[08-May-2007 10:43:35] <zntneo> os x
[08-May-2007 10:43:40] <creiht> Most of us here are on and off, as we have day jobs as well
[08-May-2007 10:44:00] <zntneo> no no i'm not mad at you guys
[08-May-2007 10:44:06] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 10:44:26] <creiht> It looks like it can't find the mysql headers
[08-May-2007 10:44:52] <creiht> Are you using something like fink or macports?
[08-May-2007 10:45:15] <zntneo> i actually just installed mysql fromt he official binary package from mysql
[08-May-2007 10:45:30] <creiht> ok
[08-May-2007 10:45:47] <creiht> I'm not sure if that includes the headers or not
[08-May-2007 10:45:58] <creiht> Usually there is a separate dev package that includes that
[08-May-2007 10:46:12] <creiht> I havn't done that much on "OS X" though, so i can't tell you for sure
[08-May-2007 10:46:40] <creiht> The other possibility is that the headers are installed, but it doesn't know how to find them
[08-May-2007 10:47:48] <creiht> Once you get that straightened out, then you should be good to go
[08-May-2007 10:48:01] <zntneo> what header files does it need?
[08-May-2007 10:48:08] <creiht> mysql.h
[08-May-2007 10:48:10] <creiht> is the first
[08-May-2007 10:48:22] <creiht> look at line 6380 on your paste
[08-May-2007 10:48:43] <creiht> That's where your errors start
[08-May-2007 10:52:13] <zntneo> where does zenosss look to find the header files?
[08-May-2007 10:57:21] <creiht> I'm not so sure on that mac
[08-May-2007 10:57:39] <creiht> I use a mac, but I do no mac development
[08-May-2007 10:58:56] <zntneo> darn
[08-May-2007 11:04:06] <creiht> zntneo: You might try asking on the mailing lists, as the devs watch that fairly regularly
[08-May-2007 11:07:38] <zntneo> should i post on zenoss-users or zenoss-dev?
[08-May-2007 11:07:45] <creiht> zenoss-users
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[08-May-2007 14:51:56] <adeeln> how scalable is zenoss?
[08-May-2007 14:52:01] <adeeln> anyone know?
[08-May-2007 14:53:21] <creiht> adeeln: How scalable do you need it to be?
[08-May-2007 14:53:22] <creiht>
[08-May-2007 14:53:54] <creiht> I've heard of several people using for thousands of devices
[08-May-2007 14:54:05] <adeeln> creiht: pretty large...somewhere in the vicinity of 100,000
[08-May-2007 14:54:32] <creiht> adeeln: That is a good question
[08-May-2007 14:54:44] <creiht> It probably is with a bit of work
[08-May-2007 14:54:45] <adeeln> i know of another NMS that can do about 50,000 per server
[08-May-2007 14:54:54] <creiht> OpenNMS?
[08-May-2007 14:54:59] <adeeln> yep
[08-May-2007 14:55:03] <creiht> yes
[08-May-2007 14:55:06] <bzed> adeeln: i guess as you want to have a support contract for such a high number of devices anyway - you probalyt just wanna ask the team by mail, there's a contact form on the page
[08-May-2007 14:55:42] <creiht> adeeln: Yeah I would contact the zenoss guys, tell them what you want to do and see what they say
[08-May-2007 14:55:43] <bzed> distributed agents will be added in 2.1 - but no clue how many devices you can handle then
[08-May-2007 14:56:06] <adeeln> bzed: yeah i probably will contact them, but i was just wondering if anyone had any figures
[08-May-2007 14:56:34] <adeeln> anyone know what the base system resources are?
[08-May-2007 14:56:52] <bzed> i guess that depends on the number of events it needs to process
[08-May-2007 14:57:10] <adeeln> bzed: i mean just having the server running, with no clients...how much cpu/ram does it need?
[08-May-2007 14:57:20] <creiht> adeeln: My guess is that it is currently not as scalable as OpenNMS at the moment, but scalability is one of their top goals, and actively working on it at this moment
[08-May-2007 14:58:22] <adeeln> is there benefit to switching to zenoss from opennms?
[08-May-2007 14:58:24] <creiht> adeeln: You might also search the forums a bit, as I remember seeing several people talking about what they are monitoring
[08-May-2007 14:58:53] <creiht> Well my experience so far is that it is much simpler to set up and maintain
[08-May-2007 14:59:17] <adeeln> i'm getting the vmware app right now, and will play with that
[08-May-2007 14:59:36] <creiht> The devs for zenoss have been very open to suggestions
[08-May-2007 14:59:50] <creiht> Where as the OpenNMS guys are a little more set in their ways
[08-May-2007 14:59:58] <creiht> And note that I love the OpenNMS guys
[08-May-2007 15:00:11] <bzed> does opennms have something like zendisc ?
[08-May-2007 15:00:16] <creiht> yes
[08-May-2007 15:00:28] <adeeln> creight: i recognized your name from the countless hours i've spent in opennms
[08-May-2007 15:00:35] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:00:58] <adeeln> although, i will give you, simplicity of configuration is definitely a plus
[08-May-2007 15:01:04] <bzed> gettign rid of java is a good argument for me
[08-May-2007 15:01:07] <creiht> To me, the main thing that OpenNMS has over zenoss is scalability
[08-May-2007 15:01:09] <creiht> haha
[08-May-2007 15:01:16] <creiht> And they seem to be working on that
[08-May-2007 15:01:31] <creiht> The zenoss guys are very cool too
[08-May-2007 15:01:33] <adeeln> i don't mind how OpenNMS only uses tomcat/jetty verus jboss
[08-May-2007 15:01:42] <adeeln> jboss is a pain
[08-May-2007 15:01:46] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:02:05] <creiht> OpenNMS currently has better service monitoring as well
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[08-May-2007 15:02:19] <creiht> Zenoss does basically just port monitoring
[08-May-2007 15:02:30] <adeeln> can you monitor lm_sensors from zenoss?
[08-May-2007 15:02:38] <creiht> what are lm_sensors?
[08-May-2007 15:02:57] <adeeln> local machine sensors....basically you can monitor hardware temps, voltages, fan speeds, hd temps, etc
[08-May-2007 15:03:14] <creiht> Can you see them in a snmp_walk?
[08-May-2007 15:03:27] <adeeln> creiht: dunno...i'm not too familiar with snmp
[08-May-2007 15:03:30] <creiht> By default it is not set up to monitor those
[08-May-2007 15:03:34] <adeeln> you might be able to
[08-May-2007 15:03:41] <creiht> You have a couple of options
[08-May-2007 15:03:58] <creiht> Are you currently monitoring them in OpenNMS?
[08-May-2007 15:04:16] <adeeln> creiht: nope, i've been side tracked, haven't gotten to configuring opennms all the way through yet
[08-May-2007 15:04:18] <bzed> adeeln: i think fi you run a snmp daemon on the machines you should be able to monitor them, or you use the goold old nagios plugins instead
[08-May-2007 15:04:37] <creiht> Yeah the other option is that you could use a nagios plugin to monitor them
[08-May-2007 15:04:43] <adeeln> interesting
[08-May-2007 15:04:56] <creiht> Or in the next version write a Zenpack (Zenoss' new plugin system)
[08-May-2007 15:05:03] <adeeln> too bad no one has support for pulling information from an rrd dbase
[08-May-2007 15:05:24] <bzed> write a plugin?
[08-May-2007 15:05:37] <adeeln> bzed: it's on the todo list
[08-May-2007 15:05:55] <creiht> hmmm
[08-May-2007 15:05:59] <bzed> my todo list is getting longer every day, too
[08-May-2007 15:06:03] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:06:08] <creiht> You should see my todo list
[08-May-2007 15:06:09] <creiht>
[08-May-2007 15:06:15] <adeeln> mine's pretty hefty too
[08-May-2007 15:06:17] <creiht> I just do monitoring on the side
[08-May-2007 15:06:31] <adeeln> ahh, i do basically everything...IT to development
[08-May-2007 15:07:08] <creiht> I'm a developer, but somehow I ended up also being our monitoring person
[08-May-2007 15:07:40] <adeeln> see that's the weird thing with me...i'm not a developer...i hate programming, well not so much hate, as i never got into it much....
[08-May-2007 15:07:56] <adeeln> i'm an engineer, but i know a lot about computers, so here i am
[08-May-2007 15:08:13] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:08:41] <creiht> Another nice thing about Zenoss is no editing XML files
[08-May-2007 15:09:19] <adeeln> it's finally booting, so i'll be able to take a gander at it
[08-May-2007 15:09:25] <creiht> cool
[08-May-2007 15:09:32] <creiht> Pretty much everything can be done from the GUI
[08-May-2007 15:09:37] <adeeln> i can only hope that vmware will develop FULL opengl capabilities soon
[08-May-2007 15:09:55] <creiht> Zenoss also monitors itself, so it lets you know if one of the subsystems is not functioning properly
[08-May-2007 15:09:57] <adeeln> creiht: is it a web ui or an actual gui?
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[08-May-2007 15:09:59] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:10:04] <creiht> I've been hoping that for years
[08-May-2007 15:10:07] <creiht> it is a web ui
[08-May-2007 15:10:19] <adeeln> hey, they're using lighttpd
[08-May-2007 15:10:22] <adeeln> i like them already
[08-May-2007 15:11:20] <RobGault> creiht: have you used OpenNMS?
[08-May-2007 15:12:00] <creiht> Yes
[08-May-2007 15:12:05] <creiht> Quite a bit
[08-May-2007 15:12:11] <creiht> Well still do actually
[08-May-2007 15:12:12] <RobGault> how long ago?
[08-May-2007 15:12:24] <creiht> I've used it for the past couple of years
[08-May-2007 15:12:46] <creiht> Though a much older version
[08-May-2007 15:12:53] <creiht> that what is available now
[08-May-2007 15:13:03] <RobGault> I'm looking at switching, I'm only monitoring about 100 devices < 300 interfaces and am having trouble justifying the amount of time it is taking to configure OpenNMS
[08-May-2007 15:13:04] <creiht> I know they have been working on improvements
[08-May-2007 15:13:11] <creiht> haha
[08-May-2007 15:13:31] <creiht> sorry... didn't mean to laugh
[08-May-2007 15:13:51] <creiht> I currently use zenoss for close to 100 devices and like it a lot
[08-May-2007 15:13:57] <creiht> It's much easier to manage
[08-May-2007 15:14:20] <RobGault> What are you running it on?
[08-May-2007 15:14:26] <creiht> hrmm
[08-May-2007 15:14:39] <creiht> I think it is a dell 2650
[08-May-2007 15:14:51] <creiht> Some P4 with probably 1GB memory
[08-May-2007 15:15:02] <RobGault> are you aware of any issues running under Solaris?
[08-May-2007 15:15:04] <creiht> It also shares the same server as splunk
[08-May-2007 15:15:08] <creiht> I'm not sure
[08-May-2007 15:15:50] <creiht> I remember seeing Solaris pass by in the forums, so you might search there
[08-May-2007 15:15:55] <creiht> It should work
[08-May-2007 15:16:39] <creiht> Everything said.... I don't want to sound like I'm bashing OpenNMS... It is a good product with a good group of guys developing it
[08-May-2007 15:16:52] <RobGault> I'm hoping to get some time later this week or next to give it a try.
[08-May-2007 15:16:54] <creiht> So it would still be a good idea to evaluate both
[08-May-2007 15:17:19] <bzed> adeeln: ah btw, I think the num,ber of machines you can monitor also depends much on your mysql and ZEO. at least you can deploy them on different hosts to share the load a bit
[08-May-2007 15:17:42] <creiht> There are a lot of factors
[08-May-2007 15:17:56] <RobGault> I like the product very much, I just am running into an issue not being a programmer, and lacking documentation getting things running reliably.
[08-May-2007 15:18:05] <bzed> RobGault: i guess what you need on solaris are at least the gnu tools liek a gnu make and gcc
[08-May-2007 15:19:10] <bzed> i guess neither installing mysql nor zope will be a big problem on solaris, but as usual, there can be a lot of things be a pain in the ass if you want to compile something
[08-May-2007 15:19:20] <bzed> I'd probably run it on a linux box instead
[08-May-2007 15:19:42] <bzed> but I guess the zenoss dev team would be happy to know how to deploy it on solaris, if they don't do allready
[08-May-2007 15:19:43] <creiht> RobGault: There are usually people either here or on the forums that are willing to help
[08-May-2007 15:20:02] <RobGault> I've already got the hardware otherwise I would look at a Linux install.
[08-May-2007 15:20:28] <RobGault> Thanks for the input I'll let you know how it goes.
[08-May-2007 15:20:40] <creiht> cool
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[08-May-2007 15:26:55] <adeeln> bzed: ZEO?
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[08-May-2007 15:27:50] <adeeln> as far as deployment on linux, i've found deploying things on gentoo to be overall easier, for people who aren't programmers
[08-May-2007 15:28:10] <adeeln> rpm's for some reason just never work well, nor are they really consistent
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[08-May-2007 15:29:26] <adeeln> this is completely off topic, but i was wondering if anyone knew of any good open source collaboration software?
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[08-May-2007 15:34:09] <bzed> adeeln: zope enterprise objects
[08-May-2007 15:34:41] <bzed> adeeln: the way zope can store it's data if you need something scaleable
[08-May-2007 15:35:24] <bzed> adeeln: we're working on zenoss packages for debian at the moment... and for collab... what about gforge?
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[08-May-2007 16:22:15] <adeeln> bzed: i've been looking at open-xchange so far for collab
[08-May-2007 16:22:38] <bzed> ah you mean as groupware?
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[08-May-2007 16:23:02] <bzed> I wouldn't use a normal groupware for collab on software projects
[08-May-2007 16:23:39] <b52laptop> bzed, collab seem dead !
[08-May-2007 16:23:43] <adeeln> bzed: well that's the thing, we have both needs....software and normal
[08-May-2007 16:23:53] <adeeln> and i'm hoping that i don't have to install 10 different things
[08-May-2007 16:24:00] <bzed> hmm
[08-May-2007 16:24:08] <b52laptop> adeeln, open xchange seems too complicated to install ! zimbra seems less scary at the install !
[08-May-2007 16:24:26] <adeeln> b52laptop: yeah but zimbra doesn't seem like it's very powerful
[08-May-2007 16:24:33] <adeeln> ox has a nice list of features
[08-May-2007 16:24:39] <b52laptop> hm
[08-May-2007 16:24:48] <bzed> zimbra's interface sucks imho, and they include postfix and everything, and it's hard to configure as you'd like to configure it.
[08-May-2007 16:24:58] <adeeln> installation isn't that big of an issue for me
[08-May-2007 16:24:59] <bzed> I'd take scalix instead
[08-May-2007 16:25:09] <adeeln> with gentoo, things become semi-simple to install
[08-May-2007 16:25:13] <b52laptop> yeah they integrated postfix and mysql and .... pffff
[08-May-2007 16:25:24] <b52laptop> bzed, scalix don't seems open source :d
[08-May-2007 16:25:36] <b52laptop> and it's the same headache as zimbra
[08-May-2007 16:25:36] <b52laptop> :d
[08-May-2007 16:25:46] <adeeln> i don't really need an email program...my web host gives me free email, but i do need calenders
[08-May-2007 16:25:58] <adeeln> b52laptop: scalix should have a public license
[08-May-2007 16:26:07] <b52laptop> so openxchange :d
[08-May-2007 16:26:08] <bzed> b52laptop: zimbra is not better....
[08-May-2007 16:26:23] <adeeln> yeah, scalix isn't gpl, but it's OS
[08-May-2007 16:26:26] <b52laptop> adeeln, does scalix came with mysql and postfix at the install ?
[08-May-2007 16:26:27] <bzed> b52laptop: and open-exchange is worse, their important stuff is under CC non-commercial
[08-May-2007 16:26:33] <b52laptop> bzed, yeah
[08-May-2007 16:26:50] <bzed> no, scalix doesn;t bring postfix
[08-May-2007 16:27:02] <b52laptop> hm
[08-May-2007 16:27:09] <bzed> it configures your system's sendmail by default, but you can configure your postfix for it if you want
[08-May-2007 16:27:19] <adeeln> i'd love for an OS software to give me Outlook integration
[08-May-2007 16:27:42] <adeeln> ooo...scalix does support outlook
[08-May-2007 16:28:07] <bzed> i thkn zimbra and scaliz support outlook, but you ahve to pay for that
[08-May-2007 16:28:16] <adeeln> scalix includes it free apparently
[08-May-2007 16:28:25] <adeeln> As with all Scalix editions, it has a flexible, open architecture, and supports Outlook, Evolution, Scalix Web Access, and any IMAP or POP client.
[08-May-2007 16:28:54] <adeeln> scalix has a community edition....which supports 25 premium users...but you should be able to hack that
[08-May-2007 16:29:47] <adeeln> oooo...nero 3 for linux
[08-May-2007 16:29:48] <adeeln> interesting
[08-May-2007 16:30:03] <bzed> eww
[08-May-2007 16:30:07] <bzed> nero for linux sucks ass
[08-May-2007 16:30:09] <bzed> use k3b
[08-May-2007 16:30:14] <adeeln> bzed: i don't use kde
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[08-May-2007 16:32:27] <bzed> that doesn;t matter
[08-May-2007 16:32:32] <bzed> it will happily run under gnome
[08-May-2007 16:32:41] <bzed> all you need are a few libraries, as usual
[08-May-2007 16:32:48] <bzed> but it's still the best cd burning program ever
[08-May-2007 16:35:29] <adeel_n> i'm actually using xfce, but still
[08-May-2007 16:35:36] <adeel_n> i might try out scalix
[08-May-2007 16:36:44] <adeel_n> hmm....i like zenoss...but i think opennms might be better for me
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[08-May-2007 16:40:52] <bzed> just give the zenoss guys a call
[08-May-2007 16:41:54] <adeel_n> bzed: zenoss seems to be geared towards monitoring multiple different nodes....the vast majority of my nodes will be identical, and with opennms, i only have to set it up once, and it should be simple
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[08-May-2007 16:48:59] <bzed> adeel_n: that shouldn;t be a problem with zenoss either... I think. didn't do much with it until now, except working on packages - we want to have it packaged before usign it
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[08-May-2007 16:54:24] <adeel_n> ah...hmm...well i like the fact that opennms can do auto discovery, where any node that pops up in a subnet will be automatically monitored
[08-May-2007 16:55:09] <adeel_n> i'll definitely keep my eye on zenoss but i already have opennms installed and semi-configured
[08-May-2007 16:55:45] <bzed> zenoss can do that, too
[08-May-2007 16:56:48] <progma> k3b is excellent
[08-May-2007 16:56:56] <progma> regardless of wm
[08-May-2007 16:58:10] <adeel_n> any recommendations for a winblows recording program?
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[08-May-2007 16:59:29] <bzed> i guess nero
[08-May-2007 16:59:40] <adeel_n> thats unfortunate
[08-May-2007 16:59:41] <progma> the last time i used windows it was nero and roxio
[08-May-2007 17:00:15] <adeel_n> i used to like roxio a lot...but then they just crapped out
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[08-May-2007 17:06:38] <goomie> I am trying to set up zenwin on a win2k3 box I followed the doc on installing it. I now have this message in my events under this device "wmi connection failed: User credentials cannot be used for local connections"
[08-May-2007 17:14:16] <bzed> zenwin will be replaced in the new version
[08-May-2007 17:14:33] <bzed> you probably don't wanna mess with it at all
[08-May-2007 17:14:46] <bzed> better give the alpha (or is it beta yet) of 2.0 a try
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[08-May-2007 18:10:15] <WolfeWLU> Is there a way to get Zentrap to bind to a specific IP?
[08-May-2007 18:13:11] <WolfeWLU> Heellloooo? ;-)
[08-May-2007 18:14:37] <creiht> howdy
[08-May-2007 18:14:49] <creiht> You probably have to make a modification to the zentrap.py file
[08-May-2007 18:15:01] <creiht> I had to do that to change the port that zensyslog bound to
[08-May-2007 18:15:30] <creiht> Unfortunately they don't expose those as config options
[08-May-2007 18:15:37] <creiht> At least on the last version that I checked
[08-May-2007 18:15:59] <creiht> let me check
[08-May-2007 18:19:11] <WolfeWLU> creiht: Thank you!
[08-May-2007 18:21:07] <bzed> hmm, in theory you should not need to change the syslog port
[08-May-2007 18:21:14] <bzed> the IP to bind to is a different thing, though
[08-May-2007 18:21:31] <creiht> bzed: Well I am running syslog on our syslog server
[08-May-2007 18:21:33] <creiht>
[08-May-2007 18:21:42] <creiht> In hindsight not the best decision
[08-May-2007 18:21:52] <creiht> yeah and changing the ip is a bit different
[08-May-2007 18:22:01] <bzed> use syslog-ng and forward all stuff?
[08-May-2007 18:22:32] <bzed> i think syslog-ng should be able to write to log files and send all stuff to a different host
[08-May-2007 18:22:32] <creiht> The server is a generic syslog server that receives all our generic syslog stuff
[08-May-2007 18:22:47] <creiht> They both run on the same host though
[08-May-2007 18:22:56] <creiht> that is why I have to run it on another port
[08-May-2007 18:23:01] <creiht> which I could forward to if I wanted
[08-May-2007 18:23:10] <bzed> well, it won;t receive stuff on the different port?
[08-May-2007 18:23:12] <creiht> But I only have a couple of apps that forward messages to it
[08-May-2007 18:23:13] <bzed> ah
[08-May-2007 18:23:23] <creiht> It doesn't receive all syslog dtuff
[08-May-2007 18:23:44] <creiht> I think we have about 500GB syslog trafic a day on this box
[08-May-2007 18:23:53] <creiht> I don't want to run that through zenoss
[08-May-2007 18:24:07] <creiht> err not 500GB
[08-May-2007 18:24:09] <creiht> 50GB
[08-May-2007 18:24:11] <creiht> sorry
[08-May-2007 18:24:13] <creiht>
[08-May-2007 18:24:45] <b52laptop>
[08-May-2007 18:25:07] <bzed> yeah, that's a bit much
[08-May-2007 18:25:53] <creiht> Like I said... in hindsight not the best server for me to choose to install zenoss on
[08-May-2007 18:26:27] <bzed> no, i guess not
[08-May-2007 18:26:43] <creiht> I'll be moving it as soon as I have time
[08-May-2007 18:26:52] <creiht> but I have been saying that probably for the last 6 months
[08-May-2007 18:28:05] <creiht> WolfeWLU: Well good news and bad news
[08-May-2007 18:28:11] <creiht> I found it
[08-May-2007 18:28:22] <creiht> But they don't specify the interface
[08-May-2007 18:28:40] <creiht> which means there is no config for it
[08-May-2007 18:28:44] <creiht> If you want to modify the source
[08-May-2007 18:28:47] <creiht> You can edit
[08-May-2007 18:29:07] <WolfeWLU> creiht: LOL. That's OK. Its probably easier to move the other program that needs to listen for traps to another server.
[08-May-2007 18:29:15] <WolfeWLU> Thank you very much for digging.
[08-May-2007 18:29:22] <creiht> $ZENHOME/ZenEvents/zentrap.py
[08-May-2007 18:29:36] <WolfeWLU> Editing the source means I'll probably forget about the edit when I upgrade. :-)
[08-May-2007 18:29:41] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 18:29:42] <creiht> yeah
[08-May-2007 18:30:04] <creiht> until you see it show up as a heartbeat error, and you ask yourself, why is that not working
[08-May-2007 18:30:10] <creiht> Anyways if anyone is interested
[08-May-2007 18:30:14] <creiht> change the line
[08-May-2007 18:30:19] <creiht> reactor.listenUDP(self.port, self)
[08-May-2007 18:30:20] <creiht> to
[08-May-2007 18:30:41] <creiht> reactor.listenUDP(self.port, self, interface='192.168.10.10')
[08-May-2007 18:30:55] <creiht> of course replace the ip with whatever ip you want it to bind to
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[08-May-2007 18:32:24] <WolfeWLU> creiht: I'll put it in our wiki.
[08-May-2007 18:32:25] <WolfeWLU> :-)
[08-May-2007 18:32:43] <creiht> They really need to expose those things as a config option
[08-May-2007 18:32:54] <creiht> (port and ipaddress to bind to)
[08-May-2007 18:35:22] <WolfeWLU> creiht: Yeah. Its not like Python doesn't have a really nice config file library.
[08-May-2007 18:35:52] <creiht> I think I submitted a ticket for that, but I'm sure it is on the lower end of the priority list
[08-May-2007 18:36:02] <creiht> They have quite a few things on their plate right now
[08-May-2007 18:36:16] <creiht> And they already have the config structure set up
[08-May-2007 18:36:35] <creiht> I've told myself a couple of times that I would make the changes and contribute them, but then have had no time
[08-May-2007 18:37:12] <WolfeWLU> It's be nice they find time to put 95th percentile support in out of the box.
[08-May-2007 18:39:13] <WolfeWLU> It'd also be nice if I could figure out why mount is claiming NFSv3 Not Supported!....
[08-May-2007 18:40:40] <creiht> Could it be because NFSv3 is not supported?
[08-May-2007 18:40:46] <WolfeWLU> LOL.
[08-May-2007 18:41:00] <WolfeWLU> Yeah...yeah. ;-) NFS module is loaded in the kernel and portmap is running.
[08-May-2007 18:41:59] <WolfeWLU> Seems to be a problem across most of our Gentoo boxes.
[08-May-2007 18:42:09] <creiht> Ah there is the problem
[08-May-2007 18:42:26] <WolfeWLU> creiht: Hey now. ;-)
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[08-May-2007 22:27:28] <Snake-Eyes> Any one know why zenoss would stop sending alert emails, I have gone over all settings (test email, alert rules, added to device, etc) ?
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[09-May-2007 00:38:25] <chester01> newbie here. Managed to get everything set up and monitoring but I am not quite getting how to graph interfaces for a Cisco router. Can anyone point me to a resource? The admin guide does not explain the concept of what I need to do.
[09-May-2007 00:39:17] <chester01> I found a few guides but it is all greek. I guess I am looking for a config example or walkthrough which will help me make sense of it all.
[09-May-2007 00:41:03] <chester01> Tried forum searches as well. I did find references but I am not understanding them at all.
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[09-May-2007 03:39:20] <Igbothom_III> http://www.petitiononline.com/PH2JAIL/
[09-May-2007 03:39:20] <Igbothom_III>
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[09-May-2007 09:26:27] <kompressor> hi all...Im about to hit ./install.sh and cross your fingers
[09-May-2007 09:27:00] <seans> I just got through that myself
[09-May-2007 09:27:14] <kompressor> seans, on ubuntu?
[09-May-2007 09:27:22] <seans> Debian Etch
[09-May-2007 09:27:25] <seans> so pretty close
[09-May-2007 09:27:53] <kompressor> actually its an ubuntu derivative...impi
[09-May-2007 09:28:03] <kompressor> seans, ok let me see
[09-May-2007 09:28:07] <seans> the ./install.sh takes quite a long while to run, at least it did on a p3 733
[09-May-2007 09:28:33] <kompressor> X
[09-May-2007 09:30:12] <kompressor> seans, how does zenoss relate to zope?
[09-May-2007 09:31:55] <kompressor>
[09-May-2007 09:32:15] <seans> honestly I couldnt tell you, Ive only heard of Zope
[09-May-2007 09:33:22] <kompressor> ok
[09-May-2007 09:34:08] <kompressor> seans, how many machines are you monitoring
[09-May-2007 09:35:38] <seans> right at the moment I am trying to add a device though the web-management page, eventually there might be up to 90 if it works how we would like it to
[09-May-2007 09:36:28] <kompressor> hmmm
[09-May-2007 09:36:44] <kompressor> in which country are you?
[09-May-2007 09:36:59] <seans> at the moment we are using a system call Spong, its a little dated
[09-May-2007 09:37:02] <seans> US
[09-May-2007 09:37:39] <kompressor> so Spong is running on Debian Etch?
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[09-May-2007 09:39:21] <seans> our spong server might possibly be running Debian sarge
[09-May-2007 09:39:26] <seans> I would have to check
[09-May-2007 09:40:39] <kompressor> i was using nagios until today
[09-May-2007 09:44:48] <seans> that is what our network department uses, and we need to update a bit
[09-May-2007 09:45:47] <kompressor> yah nagios is not bad ...even zenoss uses it..i see here - configuring build/nagios-plugins-1.4.5
[09-May-2007 09:46:08] <seans> I believe they just have support for Nagios plugins
[09-May-2007 09:46:29] <kompressor> yes
[09-May-2007 09:46:49] <kompressor> so what do you use for provisioning
[09-May-2007 09:47:41] <seans> for provisioning? Im not sure I understand
[09-May-2007 09:50:40] <kompressor> for rolling out new installations and so forth
[09-May-2007 09:51:22] <chet> kompressor: Zope is a Python application server. It also includes a persistent object data called ZODB. Zenoss uses Zope for the web interface and ZODB for model data.
[09-May-2007 09:51:22] <kompressor> considering that you have 90 machines..
[09-May-2007 09:52:13] <kompressor> chet, i see...
[09-May-2007 09:52:51] <kompressor> chet, ohhh ...Starting Zope Object Database
[09-May-2007 09:54:17] <chet> yup, it uses three different types of data stores for the three different types of data.
[09-May-2007 09:54:42] <chet> MySQL for events, ZODB for object storage and RRD for time-based performance data.
[09-May-2007 09:54:52] <seans> well honestly we dont do that many new installations, we have to have a pretty high uptime on a majority of our systems, if it works why play with it mentality
[09-May-2007 09:56:55] <kompressor> yah
[09-May-2007 09:57:51] <seans> Before I go looking around myself, does anyone know how one would go about checking running processes on a server with Zenoss? currently with Spong we have to install a client on every system that the Spong server poll for information
[09-May-2007 09:58:47] <chet> seans: Zenoss can poll that via SNMP through the HOST-RESOURCES-MIB for Unix hosts.
[09-May-2007 10:00:42] <kompressor> chet, install was successful but now when i hit ..http:// 192.168.3.10:8080/zport/dmd..page is not found :-(
[09-May-2007 10:01:29] <seans> chet: thank you, I will have to take a look into that, all of our servers are on a Linux platform, I will just have to see how difficult it will be to get snmp up and running on the systems
[09-May-2007 10:01:45] <seans> kompressor: 192.168.3.10 needs to be the IP of the server that this is installed on
[09-May-2007 10:02:02] <kompressor> seans, yes mine is 10.0.0.128
[09-May-2007 10:03:01] <kompressor> should i restart any services?
[09-May-2007 10:04:56] <kompressor>
[09-May-2007 10:05:16] <seans> you should not have to do that, just modify your ulr to look like this http://10.0.0.128:8080
[09-May-2007 10:06:08] <kompressor> seans, thanx you rock
[09-May-2007 10:07:32] <seans> no problem, beyond that I will most likely be pretty pointless, Im totally new to the system myself, I just set it up today on a test box to see how it goes
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[09-May-2007 11:06:22] <kompressor> seans, chet bye everyone...
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[09-May-2007 11:27:55] <toddavi1> I'm getting an "AttributeError: Power" trying to run zenmigrate to go from 1.1.1 to 1.8.1 (RPM install on CentOS 4.4). The last line of the stack trace is: if not dmd.Devices.Power._getOb('zCollectorPlugins',False):
[09-May-2007 11:28:03] <toddavi1> Anyone have an idea on how to fix?
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[09-May-2007 11:35:45] <bzed> toddavi1: I guess you wanna post that on the mailinglist - zenoss-dev@zenoss.org
[09-May-2007 11:37:17] <toddavi1> thx. I will.
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[09-May-2007 11:44:21] <chet> toddavi1: Did you remove the Power device class?
[09-May-2007 11:44:44] <chet> If so, you could simple add it back to make zenmigrate run.
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[09-May-2007 11:59:59] <toddavi1> No, I didn't remove anything. All I've done is follow the directions for the upgrade.
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[09-May-2007 12:21:36] <chet> toddavi1: Try adding a Power device class to the /Devices tree.
[09-May-2007 12:22:15] <toddavi1> That's what I am trying to do. right now, I can't even get it to show the menu drop-downs in order to add it (they were earlier).
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[09-May-2007 13:01:45] <chet> toddavi1: ok, there's an another way to work around it..
[09-May-2007 13:02:02] <chet> Edit $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/migrate/zCollectorPlugins.py
[09-May-2007 13:03:55] <chet> Delete that whole if clause around line 123 that references the Power device class.
[09-May-2007 13:04:04] <chet> Then the migrate should run.
[09-May-2007 13:04:38] <toddavi1> I'll give it a shot.
[09-May-2007 13:15:06] <toddavi1> I had another Attribute error, but after removing that one too, migrate finished. Everything appears to be working now (including the menus). Thanks.
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[09-May-2007 14:22:30] <Bulwinkle> Can anyone tell me how to change the polling for Cisco interfaces? I have an interface that changed state and I want Zenoss to register it
[09-May-2007 14:23:06] <chet> Bulwinkle: The best way to handle that is to set your Cisco devices to trap to your zenoss server.
[09-May-2007 14:23:26] <chet> Zenoss has an SNMP trap handler that will receive the link up/down traps.
[09-May-2007 14:23:30] <Bulwinkle> chet: Is there any other way?
[09-May-2007 14:23:39] <chet> syslog also works.
[09-May-2007 14:24:06] <Bulwinkle> chet: I will trap to the Zenoss server eventually but I want the poller to know about interface state too
[09-May-2007 14:24:37] <chet> You could setup a data sources based on the ifOperStatus OID, then setup a threshold to alert if it went to anything except up.
[09-May-2007 14:25:24] <chet> 1 = up, so the threshold would be setup with a minimum value of 1 and a maximum value of 1
[09-May-2007 14:26:08] <Bulwinkle> That is what we are currently doing in Nagios and we are looking for the same functionality in Zenoss....
[09-May-2007 14:26:19] <chet> Yet another option would be to setup a performance template using the check_ifoperstatus nagios plugin.
[09-May-2007 14:26:52] <Bulwinkle> I see that Zenoss keeps the interface status (O and A), that is what I want to update
[09-May-2007 14:27:24] <chet> Ah.. I think the functionality surrounding that has changed in the latest version. What version are you running?
[09-May-2007 14:27:26] <Bulwinkle> I have an interface that just went up but the O column didn't change from red
[09-May-2007 14:27:30] <Bulwinkle> 1.1.2
[09-May-2007 14:27:31] <Bulwinkle>
[09-May-2007 14:27:38] <Bulwinkle> just upgraded today
[09-May-2007 14:28:03] <chet> You should have a directory like $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/routerName/os/interfaces/interfaceName
[09-May-2007 14:28:19] <Bulwinkle> one sec ...
[09-May-2007 14:28:34] <chet> See if you have a file in there that looks like ifOperStatus....
[09-May-2007 14:30:46] <Bulwinkle> that interface name is missing.....
[09-May-2007 14:31:04] <Bulwinkle> hrm
[09-May-2007 14:31:09] <chet> hmm.. is it a non-ethernet interface?
[09-May-2007 14:32:44] <Bulwinkle> chet: Yes
[09-May-2007 14:33:06] <Bulwinkle> but I see the ethernet interface also
[09-May-2007 14:33:34] <Bulwinkle> chet: I though going in to manage and rescan would fix it but, nope
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[09-May-2007 14:33:44] <chet> That version of Zenoss only has a performance template for ethernet interfaces by default..
[09-May-2007 14:34:16] <chet> Check out this link for setting up performance graphing for serial interfaces: http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2007/005780.html
[09-May-2007 14:34:16] <chet> Assuming it is a serial interface.
[09-May-2007 14:34:22] <Bulwinkle> chet: I created the performance template... it is recording the performance just, not state changes
[09-May-2007 14:34:48] <chet> If it was recording the performance data, there would be a directory there for it to store the rrd files.
[09-May-2007 14:35:09] <chet> Did you create the template recently? Maybe you just need to restart zenperfsnmp for it to pickup the change.
[09-May-2007 14:36:25] <Bulwinkle> chet: I guess what I trying to get at is that the default Router template behavior should check for interface status when it checks for performance?
[09-May-2007 14:36:40] <Bulwinkle> chet: is there a way I can do that for the Cisco template?
[09-May-2007 14:38:34] <Bulwinkle> chet: the fact that the interface is up now and still displays the O as red should be driven by that....
[09-May-2007 14:50:04] <chet> I agree that it should be. It is on the latest beta. I'm trying to figure out if it is in 1.1.2. That's why I was asking about the file in your perf directory.
[09-May-2007 14:50:17] <chet> If that file doesn't exist it means that your zenperfsnmp poller isn't looking for it.
[09-May-2007 14:50:37] <chet> However, if you don't have a directory for that interface at all it would mean that zenperfsnmp isn't polling that interface for any information.
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[09-May-2007 14:54:08] <Bulwinkle> chet: the directory isn't there....
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[09-May-2007 14:54:59] <Bulwinkle> chet: even after I polled the device again (manage -> Collect Configuration)
[09-May-2007 14:55:27] <Bulwinkle> is there another way to repoll the device?
[09-May-2007 14:56:39] <Bulwinkle> chet: when do those subdirectories get created?
[09-May-2007 14:58:44] <chet> oh, they get created when the zenperfsnmp daemon makes a pass. Not by the data collection.
[09-May-2007 14:59:24] <chet> So you do have a performance template called propPointToPointSerial?
[09-May-2007 15:00:09] <Bulwinkle> chet: yeppers
[09-May-2007 15:00:29] <Bulwinkle> chet: how do I kick off the zenperfsnmp?
[09-May-2007 15:04:07] <Bulwinkle> BRB
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[09-May-2007 15:12:05] <Bulwinkle> Back
[09-May-2007 15:12:17] <Bulwinkle> chet: any ideas?
[09-May-2007 15:12:37] <chet> Bulwinkle: Check your About page.. it should already be running. If so, restart it.
[09-May-2007 15:13:25] <Bulwinkle> chet: did that.... how long should it take to update?
[09-May-2007 15:13:37] <chet> Within 5 minutes that directory should exist.
[09-May-2007 15:15:09] <Bulwinkle> chet: so, here is my next question. how can I make it poll the interface status and alert on any change?
[09-May-2007 15:15:50] <chet> The ifOperStatus OID would have to be part of the performance template. Is it?
[09-May-2007 15:17:31] <Bulwinkle> chet: not yet
[09-May-2007 15:17:59] <Bulwinkle> chet: I was thinking about creating a new template in the Cisco Directory to do what I am trying....
[09-May-2007 15:18:56] <Bulwinkle> chet: basically if the ifAdminStatus = 1 and the ifOperStatus has been 2 for 4 polls, then alert.... Is there a way I can do that without graphing it?
[09-May-2007 15:19:36] <Bulwinkle> chet: BTW Still hasn't created the directory for my newly up interface
[09-May-2007 15:19:44] <chet> Yes, create a command type of data source in the template. Use the Nagios check_ifoperstatus plugin to drive it.
[09-May-2007 15:26:06] <Bulwinkle> chet: are the nagios plugins already there?
[09-May-2007 15:26:45] <chet> They should be. You can check under $ZENHOME/libexec
[09-May-2007 15:28:38] <Bulwinkle> chet: some of them are there... I can get the rest in... Do you have a link to how to create the command type you described above?
[09-May-2007 15:30:22] <chet> http://community.zenoss.com/docs/howtos/create-modify-nagios-templates/
[09-May-2007 15:30:22] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[09-May-2007 15:34:48] <Bulwinkle> chet: thanks.....
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[09-May-2007 15:35:30] <Bulwinkle> chet: any ideas why my O hasn't changed from red?
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[09-May-2007 15:57:04] <Bulwinkle> Does anyone know where the list of variables I can pass to A Command Template are?
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[09-May-2007 16:30:02] <Bulwinkle> no one has an idea what arguments I can pass to external commands from Zenoss?
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[09-May-2007 17:20:55] <warthog9> is it possible with Zenoss to have it display say all of the traffic graphs for a switch in a single window (I can see it display the status of all of the ports and what not but I'm not seeing how to do it with the graphs)
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[09-May-2007 17:31:45] <ste1664> anyone got any tips for getting troublesome MIBS to load
[09-May-2007 17:32:34] <ste1664> I want to get all our cisco devices monitored properly and I cant get SNMPv2-TC loaded which seems to be required by every other cisco MIB
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[09-May-2007 18:11:23] <yeled> what zen process spwans data source scripts?
[09-May-2007 18:12:50] <yeled> ah zencommand
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[09-May-2007 19:17:31] <mikeymike> hey
[09-May-2007 19:17:45] <mikeymike> i am having a problem upgrading the vmware image
[09-May-2007 19:19:11] <mikeymike> keeps saying failed to find required troves for update
[09-May-2007 19:21:25] <mikeymike> anyone here?
[09-May-2007 19:51:16] <Snake-Eyes> no idea, never used vmware image
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[09-May-2007 20:35:58] <progma> mikeymike
[09-May-2007 20:36:14] <progma> there is a recent thing while running vmware-config.pl
[09-May-2007 20:36:22] <progma> where it craps out and says it can't compile the module
[09-May-2007 20:36:34] <progma> it's not that is it
[09-May-2007 20:36:43] <progma> i had to do that when going to rhel5
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[09-May-2007 20:42:58] <progma> oh duh
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[09-May-2007 20:47:27] <Snake-Eyes> progma, dont you love how they dont bother to hang around it they dont there answer right away
[09-May-2007 20:49:09] <Snake-Eyes> I really dont get how my alert emails were working and now they have stopped, ive gone over everything with no luck ;(
[09-May-2007 20:54:11] <progma> does email work otherwise
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[09-May-2007 23:18:20] <yeled> can i take multiple nagios/script output values and automagically make lines on graphs for them?
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[09-May-2007 23:21:53] <yeled> ah
[09-May-2007 23:21:56] <yeled> multiple data sources
[09-May-2007 23:24:26] <yeled> balls
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[10-May-2007 01:15:33] <yeled> hm
[10-May-2007 01:15:36] <yeled> after upgrade
[10-May-2007 01:15:39] <yeled> well..
[10-May-2007 01:15:45] <yeled> port 8080 just hangs
[10-May-2007 01:37:04] <yeled> ah ok
[10-May-2007 01:37:06] <yeled> now..
[10-May-2007 01:37:19] <yeled> i've lost an id on one of my devices
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[10-May-2007 03:57:40] <kompressor> lo all
[10-May-2007 03:57:59] <kompressor> im having a problem with installing exim4...
[10-May-2007 03:58:40] <kompressor> it is having some dependecies and it doesnt get resolve...anyone ever came across such?
[10-May-2007 03:59:58] <kompressor> :-(
[10-May-2007 04:05:51] <kompressor> hmm...i found out i had to put debian repo to solve it
[10-May-2007 04:05:54] <kompressor>
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[10-May-2007 07:35:50] <Polak> Hi
[10-May-2007 07:36:10] <Polak> Someone to help me ?
[10-May-2007 07:38:15] <Polak> I'm trying Zenoss 2 beta and i can see in my dashbord some events
[10-May-2007 07:38:39] <Polak> but when i click in events section i see nothing
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[10-May-2007 08:03:09] <qubix_> Polak: did you look into the history?
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[10-May-2007 08:22:05] <Polak> yes
[10-May-2007 08:22:09] <Polak> i have nothing
[10-May-2007 08:22:27] <Polak> i have this problem since i have upgrade zenoss 1.1.2 to 1.9.5
[10-May-2007 08:30:38] <Polak> i receive trap but i didn't see it
[10-May-2007 08:31:12] <Bulwinkle> Does anyone have a list of variables I can pass to external applications (Nagios plugins for example)?
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[10-May-2007 09:20:03] <qubix_> Polak: maybe you have a faulty events table in mysql - is there anything in the logs vor the zen services, especially zenevents.log? maybe it helps to re-setup a fresh mysql table: just drop it and then do a "$ZENHOME/bin/zeneventbuild $MYSQLUSER $MYSQLPASS $MYSQLEVENTDB" (and obviously substitute the variables with your values)
[10-May-2007 09:23:51] <Polak> thanks
[10-May-2007 09:23:59] <Polak> i'm trying
[10-May-2007 09:29:47] <Bulwinkle> Does anyone have a list of variables I can pass to external applications (Nagios plugins for example)?
[10-May-2007 09:43:15] <Polak> no sorry
[10-May-2007 09:43:28] <RobGault> Can anyone tell me, does Zenoss come with any Mibs defined or do I need to add them?
[10-May-2007 09:43:44] <Polak> you need add them
[10-May-2007 09:43:53] <Polak> connect you with zenoss user
[10-May-2007 09:44:07] <Polak> and then do zenmin run mibfile
[10-May-2007 09:44:12] <Polak> zenmib*
[10-May-2007 09:44:33] <chet> Bulwinkle: There isn't a documented set of variables, but you do have access to the device object "dev" and the context "context"
[10-May-2007 09:44:44] <chet> Bulwinkle: Oops.. the context variable is actually called "here"
[10-May-2007 09:44:59] <RobGault> That's a relief I thought I was going to have to manually add every OID. Thank you
[10-May-2007 09:45:07] <chet> Bulwinkle: Are you looking for something in particular?
[10-May-2007 09:45:41] <Bulwinkle> chet: I need to pass three variables to the ifoperstatus nagios plugin.... the community, the OID of the interface and and the hostname (IP)
[10-May-2007 09:48:45] <J-Bob> chet: what up? (BobJ) here =)
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[10-May-2007 09:52:04] <chet> Hi Bob. Sneaking in some Zenoss time. Did you get that report settled?
[10-May-2007 09:52:30] <J-Bob> chet: yup..ECN wrote it for me. That was a bear
[10-May-2007 09:52:58] <J-Bob> chet: Thx for all the zenusers love
[10-May-2007 09:54:30] <chet> Bulwinkle: ok, that should be easy enough.. try something like this..
[10-May-2007 09:55:36] <chet> Bulwinkle: check_ifoperstatus -H ${dev/manageIp} -C ${dev/zSnmpCommunity} -k ${here/ifindex}
[10-May-2007 09:58:51] <Bulwinkle> chet: awesome! that is what I was looking for... how to get the script running on all "Monitored interfaces" interfaces?
[10-May-2007 10:00:40] <chet> To have it run on all ethernet type interfaces, you'd add the data source to the ethernetCsmacd template in the root of /Devices.
[10-May-2007 10:00:54] <chet> For serial interfaces you'd add it to the propPointToPointSerial.. etc.
[10-May-2007 10:01:01] <chet> The type of interface is the key to the naming of the template.
[10-May-2007 10:01:01] <Bulwinkle> gotcha....
[10-May-2007 10:01:45] <chet> fyi, this still won't update your red and green dots, but it will get you alerting on up/down.
[10-May-2007 10:02:46] <Bulwinkle> chet: one thing at a time
[10-May-2007 10:03:16] <Bulwinkle> chet: how about filling out the Data Source template... I'm kind of iffy on some of the fields
[10-May-2007 10:03:27] <chet> The dots get updated in the automated modelling cycle.. every 12 hours.
[10-May-2007 10:03:51] <Bulwinkle> chet: ah excellent... no way to change that?
[10-May-2007 10:04:13] <chet> You can change the frequency of the modeling passes, but they are very resource intensive so I recommend against it.
[10-May-2007 10:04:33] <chet> The interface O/A dots will be handled better (how you want it) in 2.0.
[10-May-2007 10:04:49] <chet> So the easiest thing would be to wait for a month and have it done for you.
[10-May-2007 10:05:04] <Bulwinkle> chet: I named my Data Source ifStatus..... (I'll wait for the dots
)[10-May-2007 10:05:14] <Bulwinkle> Source type: COMMAND
[10-May-2007 10:05:17] <kompressor> chet, hi...great to see that ldap authentication is in the 2.1 milestone hey
[10-May-2007 10:05:19] <Bulwinkle> Enabled : TRUE (DUH)
[10-May-2007 10:05:49] <Bulwinkle> Use SSH: no
[10-May-2007 10:06:01] <Bulwinkle> what exactly is "Component?"
[10-May-2007 10:06:27] <kompressor> is there a way to report a bug directly from the web interface?
[10-May-2007 10:06:35] <kompressor> :-|
[10-May-2007 10:06:50] <chet> kompressor: Login to trac as zenoss/zenoss and create a new ticket.
[10-May-2007 10:07:13] <chet> Bulwinkle: Component is what shows up in the "Component" field of events this data source generates.
[10-May-2007 10:07:23] <kompressor> chet, ive created a username already
[10-May-2007 10:07:24] <chet> Bulwinkle: Just stick "interface" in there.
[10-May-2007 10:07:49] <kompressor> chet, but i think that should just be a wish ...what do you think?
[10-May-2007 10:08:05] <chet> kompressor: Ah, no way to report the bug from your Zenoss console. Go to http://dev.zenoss.org/trac
[10-May-2007 10:08:05] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[10-May-2007 10:08:10] <Bulwinkle> chet: how about the Event Class?
[10-May-2007 10:08:33] <Bulwinkle> I did read the documentation on this but those three weren't very clear
[10-May-2007 10:08:50] <Bulwinkle> ( those two and Event Key)
[10-May-2007 10:09:15] <chet> Bulwinkle: The event class can be important when building your event mappings. I'd suggest creating an event class like /Net/Link and using that.
[10-May-2007 10:09:58] <Bulwinkle> chet: do I do that in Add event?
[10-May-2007 10:10:01] <chet> Event class and key are a bit complicated. Like I said, they are used for event mapping, auto-clearing of events, etc.
[10-May-2007 10:10:57] <chet> I think you need to go to Events then the Classes tab. Add a new class called Net, go into it, add a class in Net of Link..
[10-May-2007 10:12:52] <Bulwinkle> chet: There is already a /net/link
[10-May-2007 10:13:04] <Bulwinkle> WHat do I use the Event Key for?
[10-May-2007 10:14:58] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: Event Key is used primarily in event mappings for de-duplicating and for doing matches for event suppression or modification
[10-May-2007 10:15:44] <Bulwinkle> So, something unique?
[10-May-2007 10:19:21] <Bulwinkle> j-bob: so it can be anything?
[10-May-2007 10:19:41] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: he..he..you got me there...I would have to check for ya
[10-May-2007 10:23:13] <Bulwinkle> chet: Do you have a good suggestion for The Event Key?
[10-May-2007 10:25:04] <chet> I suggest you leave it blank until you know how you want to map the generated events.
[10-May-2007 10:25:15] <chet> You can always change it later.
[10-May-2007 10:25:35] <Bulwinkle> chet: I guess I'm ready to enable it then
[10-May-2007 10:26:29] <Bulwinkle> chet: anyway to get a poll to kick off?
[10-May-2007 10:26:35] <chet> Once you enable it, you can run "zencommand run -v 10 --device=yourDevice" from the command line as the zenoss user to get some good debugging output of what's going on.
[10-May-2007 10:27:24] <chet> Once you're happy with what it's doing, you can restart the zencommand daemon to make sure it gets the configuration immediately.
[10-May-2007 10:29:55] <Bulwinkle> chet: okay... it ran but I can't understand any of the output
... Let me look at it some more[10-May-2007 10:30:17] <chet> I'm quite sure you can understand the output.. you just haven't yet.
[10-May-2007 10:30:54] <Bulwinkle> chet: I don't see any referenced to the host I entered... just the server zenoss is running on
[10-May-2007 10:31:13] <kompressor> chet, i just created a ticket, a feature request actually
[10-May-2007 10:32:15] <kompressor> chet, what's the best place for one to read and familiarize with zen infrastructure and the entire zenoss concepts and development
[10-May-2007 10:34:18] <chet> Start with this picture: http://www.zenoss.com/images/product/prod_arch_big.jpg
[10-May-2007 10:34:18] <chet> Although some portions of it are a bit outdated.
[10-May-2007 10:34:21] <chet> Then read the admin guide.
[10-May-2007 10:34:25] <kompressor> ok
[10-May-2007 10:34:27] <chet> Then read the source code.
[10-May-2007 10:34:56] <kompressor> chet, isnt there a pdf version of the admin guide?
[10-May-2007 10:35:05] <chet> Yes, there is.
[10-May-2007 10:35:31] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: got some clarification. You can use or not use event class key when you set up an event. It can be unique or the same if you do similar events. It is basically a match field for mapping events later
[10-May-2007 10:35:49] <kompressor>
where to get it [10-May-2007 10:36:17] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: thanks... guess I'll fill it out when I need to do reporting and whatnot later....
[10-May-2007 10:36:47] <J-Bob> kompressor: http://community.zenoss.com/community/docs/zenoss-guide
[10-May-2007 10:36:47] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[10-May-2007 10:37:31] <Polak> Anyone can tell me why i don't see any events in this section
[10-May-2007 10:37:37] <Polak> ?
[10-May-2007 10:37:52] <Polak> i recceive snmp traps and my dashboard notify me
[10-May-2007 10:38:17] <Bulwinkle> chet: do I need to do something to get notifications if an interface is down?
[10-May-2007 10:38:19] <kompressor> J-Bob, isnt that the admin guide? I have downloaded the Quick Start guide already...but its quite basic...i wish to download a more compresive one
[10-May-2007 10:38:59] <kompressor>
[10-May-2007 10:40:01] <ricko73> yeah documentation is somewhat lacking
[10-May-2007 10:40:10] <ricko73> hopefully it will catch up to the features
[10-May-2007 10:40:53] <chet> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/ZenossAdminGuide-1.1.pdf?modtime=1177365591&big_mirror=0
[10-May-2007 10:42:28] <kompressor> chet, dankie houer
[10-May-2007 10:46:51] <jivey32> ricko73: Yeah, as a newb, I've found this to be the case as well. HUGE learning curve coming into this.
[10-May-2007 10:47:32] <kompressor> jivey32, you're right
[10-May-2007 10:47:43] <kompressor> but i think it will get better
[10-May-2007 10:48:01] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'm getting notifications of "misuse of shell builtins"
[10-May-2007 10:48:10] <kompressor> chet, how many developers currently contribute ?
[10-May-2007 10:50:14] <Bulwinkle> chet: now this is a problem.....
[10-May-2007 10:52:57] <chet> Bulwinkle: Hmm.. have you tried running the expected command from the command line to verify that it returns what you'd expect?
[10-May-2007 10:53:16] <chet> kompressor: I don't know.
[10-May-2007 10:53:58] <Bulwinkle> chet: yes, it runs okay but it returns OK: Interface Serial1/1:0 (index XX) is up. Where do I change what is expected?
[10-May-2007 10:54:27] <kompressor> ill definitely do testing and documentation as a start and maybe later help with ldap authentication
[10-May-2007 10:54:56] <chet> Bulwinkle: Zenoss is concerned about the return code, not the text in this case. You don't have to worry about that.
[10-May-2007 10:55:42] <Bulwinkle> chet: how do I run the command through zenoss and see what code it being returned?
[10-May-2007 10:55:50] <chet> Bulwinkle: Let me try this on my system to see if I can figure out why you'd get that misuse error.
[10-May-2007 10:56:05] <Bulwinkle> chet: do you need me to send you anything?
[10-May-2007 10:56:33] <chet> Not at the moment.
[10-May-2007 10:56:37] <Bulwinkle> I don't have any performance data, is that correct?
[10-May-2007 10:57:00] <chet> Right.. check_ifoperstatus doesn't return any performance data.
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[10-May-2007 11:09:25] <chet> ok, that seemed to work for me. When you did the "zencommand -v 10 --device=blah" did it show you the command line that it was trying to run?
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[10-May-2007 11:13:07] <Bulwinkle> chet: Where should I post my output?
[10-May-2007 11:15:35] <chet> Try pastebin.mozilla.org
[10-May-2007 11:16:48] <Bulwinkle> chet: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/50080
[10-May-2007 11:16:48] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[10-May-2007 11:18:59] <chet> It looks like it isn't even using your template. What is the name of your template?
[10-May-2007 11:20:13] <Bulwinkle> chet: ifStatus
[10-May-2007 11:20:30] <chet> Ah ha!
[10-May-2007 11:20:39] <Bulwinkle> chet: propPointToPointSerial
[10-May-2007 11:20:45] <chet> aww..
[10-May-2007 11:21:04] <chet> Template is named propPointToPointSerial and data source is named ifStatus?
[10-May-2007 11:21:11] <Bulwinkle> Yes
[10-May-2007 11:22:44] <chet> You device is named SUTower-7206?
[10-May-2007 11:22:52] <Bulwinkle> chet: yes
[10-May-2007 11:23:01] <Bulwinkle> chet: a 7206 Cisco Router
[10-May-2007 11:23:17] <chet> hmm.. try this.
[10-May-2007 11:23:30] <chet> rm $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/SUTower-7206/config.pickle
[10-May-2007 11:23:37] <chet> Then run that zencommand command again.
[10-May-2007 11:25:49] <Bulwinkle> I should be using the FQDN , that is how everything is in zenoss
[10-May-2007 11:26:30] <Bulwinkle> that would help
[10-May-2007 11:26:36] <Bulwinkle> let me pastebin again
[10-May-2007 11:27:39] <Bulwinkle> okay...
[10-May-2007 11:32:05] <Bulwinkle> sorry, work, back
[10-May-2007 11:33:33] <Bulwinkle> chet: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/50096
[10-May-2007 11:33:33] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[10-May-2007 11:36:24] <chet> ok, that looks good. Events should have been generated. You can now map these however you want.
[10-May-2007 11:39:06] <Bulwinkle> chet: so the up down status in the /NET/LINK Event I need to change the Regex?
[10-May-2007 11:40:16] <chet> Yeah. I doubt that you care about admin down events. So you'd build an event mapping for that and set its action to discard.
[10-May-2007 11:41:15] <chet> Bad terminology there.. you'd set the event mapping's zEventAction to drop.
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[10-May-2007 11:43:25] <Bulwinkle> chet: so in eventclass Mappings I need to create a new one to deal with the results returned by the check_ifoperstatus plugin
[10-May-2007 11:46:21] <chet> Yeah. The easiest way to do this is usually to find the event in the event list, check it, choose the event class at the bottom, then click Map. It will fill out some of the mapping information for you.
[10-May-2007 11:46:47] <Bulwinkle> chet: and how do I deal only with CHANGES of the interface status as far as notification is concerned?
[10-May-2007 11:49:49] <Bulwinkle> chet: any docs on how to build the Regex?
[10-May-2007 12:02:40] <Bulwinkle> chet: yeah, that map button still isn't working because I still have the: Misuse of Shell builtins
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[10-May-2007 12:17:12] <ed___> Wow, so many of you... and I thought it'd be a couple of people here
[10-May-2007 12:17:42] <Bulwinkle> ed___: Zenoss is becoming popular
[10-May-2007 12:18:10] <ed___> Anyhow, been reading the ZenAgent stuff and disclosure - I work for www.413technologies.co.uk - so know the agent/agentless redux rather well, I'm here to learn why you think deploying an agent is 'value'
[10-May-2007 12:19:03] <ed___> agents are good for offline /poor connectivity - is that the segment of users with those use cases asking for agents or are others and what are their reasons?
[10-May-2007 12:20:06] <ed___> BTW nice move getting Zenwin ported
[10-May-2007 12:24:02] <Polak> Someone use Zenoss beta 1.9 ?
[10-May-2007 12:24:38] <ed___> Oh well, no immediate answers then - perhaps something to post to the Zenoss blog to help raise visibility on your efforts in this direction and why you're bothering.
[10-May-2007 12:27:20] <ed___> Another tip for you - ZenPacks are great but... you want to create the same capability for reports - so you have a ITIL, CoBIT themed report suite - get those going and people can then more easily understand the business value and how to mix the Zenoss proposition into the IT operations management - it might sound obvious but my experience thus far is that everyone wants reports and each one...
[10-May-2007 12:27:21] <ed___> ...wants something slightly different - Report packs will help solve those user challenges and further improve your proposition - all the best!
[10-May-2007 12:27:23] <ed___> TTFN
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[10-May-2007 12:48:20] <yeled> i've lost an "id" for a device. meaning i cant delete and re-add
[10-May-2007 12:48:37] <yeled> Type: AttributeError
[10-May-2007 12:48:38] <yeled> Value: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'id'
[10-May-2007 12:51:34] <yeled> woot
[10-May-2007 12:51:34] <yeled> >>> reindex()
[10-May-2007 12:51:38] <yeled> man
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[10-May-2007 12:52:48] <israelalvarez> hello - is this the right place to ask an installation question?
[10-May-2007 12:53:22] *** israelalvarez changes topic to ""
[10-May-2007 12:53:55] <J-Bob> israelalvarez: ask away..we can try =)
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[10-May-2007 12:54:06] <israelalvarez> great thanks
[10-May-2007 12:54:51] <israelalvarez> I've downloaded and built all the dependencies I need (under Suse ), created the zenoss user, etc.
[10-May-2007 12:55:07] <israelalvarez> running install.sh as zenoss, I get the following error:
[10-May-2007 12:55:44] <israelalvarez> zenoss gmake: *** [mysql-python-install] Error 1
[10-May-2007 12:56:02] <Bulwinkle> chet: you still around?
[10-May-2007 12:56:36] <israelalvarez> looking in zenbuild.log I see the following:
[10-May-2007 12:56:54] <israelalvarez> gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fPIC -I/usr/local/include/mysql -I/usr/local/include/python2.3 -c _mysql.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-2.3/_mysql.o -I/usr/local/include/mysql
[10-May-2007 12:57:09] <israelalvarez> error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
[10-May-2007 12:57:27] <yeled> we'll need more than that
[10-May-2007 12:57:32] <yeled> use a pastebin
[10-May-2007 12:57:50] <israelalvarez> thing is, I've looked in /usr/local/lib/mysql and I see libmysqlclient
[10-May-2007 12:58:24] <yeled> what platform?
[10-May-2007 12:58:52] <israelalvarez> suse
[10-May-2007 12:59:00] <israelalvarez> how much of the log should I attach?
[10-May-2007 12:59:29] <israelalvarez> just the python_mysql section
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[10-May-2007 13:13:45] <israelalvarez> ok sorry about that - had a repair tech come in
[10-May-2007 13:13:58] <israelalvarez> past is at http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1194365965
[10-May-2007 13:13:58] <adytum-bot> Title: CakeBin : Pastes (at bin.cakephp.org)
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[10-May-2007 13:39:30] <RobGault> can anyone tell me if Trunk is 1.9 (2 beta)?
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[10-May-2007 16:12:37] <Polak> Hi
[10-May-2007 16:12:47] <Polak> someone to help me ?
[10-May-2007 16:13:24] <Polak> i meet an error whit zentrap since i used Zenoss 1.9
[10-May-2007 16:13:40] <Polak> i did'nt receive traps of my network deveices
[10-May-2007 16:14:51] <Polak> 2007-05-10 20:59:25 ERROR zen.ZenTrap: 'dict' object has no attribute 'manager'
[10-May-2007 16:14:52] <Polak> Traceback (most recent call last):
[10-May-2007 16:14:52] <Polak> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/EventServer.py", line 99, in run
[10-May-2007 16:14:52] <Polak> self.doHandleRequest(*args)
[10-May-2007 16:14:52] <Polak> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/zentrap.py", line 174, in doHandleRequest
[10-May-2007 16:14:52] <Polak> self.sendEvent(result)
[10-May-2007 16:14:54] <Polak> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/EventServer.py", line 113, in sendEvent
[10-May-2007 16:14:56] <Polak> evt.manager = self.myfqdn
[10-May-2007 16:14:58] <Polak> AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'manager'
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[10-May-2007 16:25:13] <chet> Polak: I got that too.. let me dig up the solution for you.
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[10-May-2007 16:32:48] <chet> Polak: Still around?
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[10-May-2007 17:36:47] <foo> Hm, can zenoss do all that nagios can do + more?
[10-May-2007 17:45:40] <bzed> foo: don't compare it with nagios, compare it with products from IBM and others. nagios is ok to monitor your home, nothign more
[10-May-2007 17:47:20] <foo> bzed: uh, what are you talking about? Nagios is used in a ton of large scale corporate monitoring solutions. I know several people who use it in large corporations. I've seen zenoss in person, web interface, graphs... it's all real nice, and I'm thinking about moving. Going to test it out soon. I know it works with nagios plugins, plus nrpe + nsca (I've been told by a rep). But, I didn't know if there is something nagios can do that zenoss can't. I ...
[10-May-2007 17:47:26] <foo> ... probably just need to test it out and get my hands on it. It's on to do list.
[10-May-2007 17:48:05] <bzed> definitely, do it
[10-May-2007 17:48:17] <bzed> and yes, I know that large corporations use nagios, and I can't understand it
[10-May-2007 17:48:34] <bzed> there're better tools then nagios
[10-May-2007 17:49:15] <bzed> i know that one huge flight company is maintaining their nagios configuration in a huge excel sheet O_o
[10-May-2007 17:49:21] <foo> ah, I see. Yeah. Hopefully zenoss can do the trick, need to test it
[10-May-2007 17:49:26] <foo> Buahaha.
[10-May-2007 17:49:45] <foo> Well, nagios (I think) has been around for a while, and runs on linux ... sometimes you need to work with what is available.
[10-May-2007 17:49:50] <foo> (I think, anyways)
[10-May-2007 17:50:10] <bzed> yeah, nagios exists for a long time now
[10-May-2007 17:50:48] <foo> I have a zenoss hat
So I hope it gets what I need done[10-May-2007 17:50:52] <foo> Thanks bzed
[10-May-2007 17:51:30] <bzed> you wanna try the new beta
[10-May-2007 17:51:37] <bzed> if you're not in a hurry
[10-May-2007 17:51:55] <foo> Hm, kind of am, and I just need something that works. Hopefully the upgrade process won't be too painful
[10-May-2007 17:52:21] <foo> Beta got some cool stuff or something?
[10-May-2007 17:52:27] <bzed> yeah
[10-May-2007 17:52:29] <bzed> lot of new updates
[10-May-2007 17:52:33] <foo> hm /me checks changelog
[10-May-2007 17:52:39] <bzed> and a big move towards distributed monitoring
[10-May-2007 17:52:49] <bzed> and if you need to monitor windows machines, go with it
[10-May-2007 17:53:15] <bzed> but the beta is still beta, I'd not use it in production yet
[10-May-2007 17:53:39] <foo> Yeah, I probably won't use that
[10-May-2007 17:53:44] <foo> Hm, yeah, one windows machine
[10-May-2007 17:53:49] <foo> Mhmm, you're a debian person. Nice
[10-May-2007 17:57:33] <chet> Zenoss > Nagios+5 years of customizations
[10-May-2007 17:57:41] <chet> IMHO.
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[10-May-2007 17:58:17] <foo> Ah! Hit and run!
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[10-May-2007 18:21:50] <foo> Hm, the zenoss INSTALL.txt needs to tell me to install patch
[10-May-2007 18:24:54] * foo installs the deps
[10-May-2007 18:45:10] <bzed> foo: for a try you could use the vmware image
[10-May-2007 18:45:22] <bzed> foo: in case you're using debian, I have a howto for that avaiable
[10-May-2007 18:54:46] <foo> bzed: ubuntu, close enough. And I'm installing it in my VM.
[10-May-2007 18:54:48] <foo> It's going now
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[10-May-2007 18:55:38] <bzed> foo: if you run into trouble because of python 2.5 use 2.4 instead
[10-May-2007 18:55:52] <bzed> foo: and we're working on debian and ubuntu packages at the moment
[10-May-2007 18:56:11] <foo> oh, nice
[10-May-2007 18:56:13] <foo> Where are you located?
[10-May-2007 18:56:58] <bzed> we want to have them ready with the 2.0 release, but I'm not sure if we manage to do so. the "we" I'm talking about is the debian zenoss packaging team, and we're across europe
[10-May-2007 18:57:05] <foo> Nice
[10-May-2007 18:57:12] <foo> You guys were down for SCALE in Southern California few months ago
[10-May-2007 18:58:14] <bzed> ah, we have nothign to do with the zenoss company, they're our upstream only
[10-May-2007 18:58:21] <foo> ahh
[10-May-2007 18:58:23] <bzed> and we fill their bugtracker
[10-May-2007 18:58:27] <foo> I see
[10-May-2007 18:59:17] <bzed> ok
[10-May-2007 18:59:23] <bzed> time for bed, 1am...
[10-May-2007 18:59:23] <bzed> n8
[10-May-2007 18:59:27] <foo> unpacking winexe-0.7 in build/
[10-May-2007 18:59:27] <foo> configuring winexe-install
[10-May-2007 18:59:29] <foo> mhmm
[10-May-2007 18:59:31] <foo> ohh, night!
[10-May-2007 18:59:35] <foo> Thanks for the help bzed !
[10-May-2007 19:01:14] <bzed> have fun, building winexe takes 5 minutes on a fast machine
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[10-May-2007 20:55:34] <WolfeWLU> Does anyone know if Zenoss plans to put together a place on the community site for contributing ZenPacks?
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[10-May-2007 21:48:00] <J-Bob> WolfeWLU: If not, we need to =)
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[10-May-2007 22:16:33] <WolfeWLU> J-Bob: Absolutely. :-)
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[11-May-2007 02:22:16] <Polak> 2007-05-10 19:59:03 ERROR zen.ZenTrap: 'dict' object has no attribute 'manager'
[11-May-2007 02:22:16] <Polak> Traceback (most recent call last):
[11-May-2007 02:22:16] <Polak> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/EventServer.py", line 99, in run
[11-May-2007 02:22:16] <Polak> self.doHandleRequest(*args)
[11-May-2007 02:22:16] <Polak> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/zentrap.py", line 174, in doHandleRequest
[11-May-2007 02:22:17] <Polak> self.sendEvent(result)
[11-May-2007 02:22:19] <Polak> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/EventServer.py", line 113, in sendEvent
[11-May-2007 02:22:21] <Polak> evt.manager = self.myfqdn
[11-May-2007 02:22:23] <Polak> AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'manager'
[11-May-2007 02:22:28] <Polak> anyone knows this error ?
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[11-May-2007 05:28:45] <kompressor> does anyone know how long it takes to "Collect Configuration" of one device?
[11-May-2007 05:30:40] <kompressor>
[11-May-2007 05:30:53] <kompressor> seans, hi
[11-May-2007 05:31:13] <kompressor> seans, hows your zenoss doing?
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[11-May-2007 06:02:20] <iuso> hi, can anyone help me add a network throughput monitor perfconf to the linux server template=
[11-May-2007 06:02:23] <iuso> ?
[11-May-2007 06:14:55] <iuso> hmm, disregard that
[11-May-2007 07:51:32] <kompressor> zenoss Collect Configuration hangs...anyone know why?
[11-May-2007 07:54:39] <kompressor>
[11-May-2007 07:55:17] <J-Bob> kompressor: define "hangs"
[11-May-2007 07:56:01] <kompressor> J-Bob, oh it just says reading 10.0.0.128 on the status bar for the past 2 hours
[11-May-2007 07:56:10] <kompressor> and no info seems to be collected
[11-May-2007 07:56:26] <J-Bob> yikes...this is for a device you can snmpwalk with no problem?
[11-May-2007 07:56:44] <kompressor> no i was trying it with ssh
[11-May-2007 07:59:05] <kompressor> J-Bob, i changed the zProperties
[11-May-2007 07:59:38] <J-Bob> What do you have listed in zCollectorIgnorePlugins?
[11-May-2007 08:00:42] <J-Bob> On our demo instance, we monitor a box with ssh and here is what we have in zCollectorIgnorePlugins > snmp|portscan
[11-May-2007 08:01:04] <kompressor> snmp|portscan
[11-May-2007 08:02:04] <J-Bob> & your zCommandProtocol is ssh? and your zTransportPreference is command?
[11-May-2007 08:03:06] <kompressor> zTransportPreference is ssh
[11-May-2007 08:03:19] <kompressor> zCommandProtocol...checking quickly
[11-May-2007 08:04:40] <kompressor> eish now its freezing and waitning
[11-May-2007 08:06:00] <kompressor> oh zenoss is not running
[11-May-2007 08:08:07] <J-Bob> Doh
[11-May-2007 08:11:44] <kompressor> hmm. i think something else is wrong ...started it and login page does not show
[11-May-2007 08:13:50] <J-Bob> as zenoss if you run zenstatus, what do you get?
[11-May-2007 08:13:55] <J-Bob> from CLI
[11-May-2007 08:15:10] <kompressor> i get program running; pid=1103
[11-May-2007 08:15:51] <kompressor> i just cleared the browser cache as well
[11-May-2007 08:18:18] <kompressor> this is from netstat
[11-May-2007 08:18:21] <kompressor> tcp 0 0 10.0.0.128:8080 10.0.0.103:42048 ESTABLISHED26423/python2.4
[11-May-2007 08:18:26] <J-Bob> sorry I meant zenoss status
[11-May-2007 08:18:40] <J-Bob> That should list all the daemons
[11-May-2007 08:18:42] <kompressor> yes the zenoss is running
[11-May-2007 08:19:11] <kompressor> meaning other daemons are not started?
[11-May-2007 08:20:40] <J-Bob> If you run zenoss status, it should list all the daemons and whether they are all running. If the GUI won't come up, then zopectl is probably not running.
[11-May-2007 08:21:10] <J-Bob> [zenoss@zenoss ~]$ zenoss status
[11-May-2007 08:21:10] <J-Bob> Daemon: zeoctl program running; pid=19445
[11-May-2007 08:21:10] <J-Bob> Daemon: zopectl program running; pid=19449
[11-May-2007 08:21:10] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenxevent program running; pid=19454
[11-May-2007 08:21:10] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenmodeler program running; pid=19463
[11-May-2007 08:21:11] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenperfsnmp program running; pid=19500
[11-May-2007 08:21:13] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenperfxmlrpc program running; pid=19510
[11-May-2007 08:21:15] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenprocess program running; pid=19536
[11-May-2007 08:21:17] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenping program running; pid=19599
[11-May-2007 08:21:19] <J-Bob> Daemon: zensyslog program running; pid=19636
[11-May-2007 08:21:21] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenstatus program running; pid=19664
[11-May-2007 08:21:25] <J-Bob> Daemon: zenactions program running; pid=19694
[11-May-2007 08:21:27] <J-Bob> Daemon: zentrap program running; pid=19731
[11-May-2007 08:21:29] <J-Bob> Daemon: zencommand program running; pid=19781
[11-May-2007 08:21:57] <kompressor> ohh..only two are running
[11-May-2007 08:24:04] <J-Bob> You could try service zenoss stop, then kill the straglers, then restart zenoss
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[11-May-2007 08:51:52] <kompressor> no cmd, snmp or portscan found for device during configuration collection....but all daemons are running :-(
[11-May-2007 08:57:15] <kompressor> :-)
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[11-May-2007 09:35:35] <SeJo> is there a reason why the latest version of zenos isn't released for rhel4 ?
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[11-May-2007 09:51:17] <kompressor> J-Bob, no cmd, snmp or portscan found for device during configuration collection....but all daemons are running :-(
[11-May-2007 09:51:29] <kompressor> sorry to jump on you
[11-May-2007 09:55:57] <kompressor> :-|
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[11-May-2007 10:01:53] <J-Bob> kompressor: Normally for non-SNMP monitoring, you have to set up the monitoring plugins. I'm not sure collect configuration does anything in that case. I think you have to set up all the monitoring stuff manually.
[11-May-2007 10:02:04] <J-Bob> kompressor: I can give you some tips on that
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[11-May-2007 10:10:32] <kompressor> J-Bob, hmm thats interesting...
[11-May-2007 10:11:56] <kompressor> J-Bob, pray advice
[11-May-2007 10:18:46] <kompressor> :-)
[11-May-2007 10:26:08] <kompressor> J-Bob, do i have to run python setup.py install ?
[11-May-2007 10:29:32] <chet> kompressor: To install Zenoss? From source?
[11-May-2007 10:29:57] <kompressor> chet, no...to install plugins manually
[11-May-2007 10:31:33] <chet> Did they not automatically install into $ZENHOME/libexec for you?
[11-May-2007 10:32:15] <kompressor> chet, yes that is the case because collect configuration does not work
[11-May-2007 10:33:10] <chet> Those plugins are not actually used for collecting configuration. They are only used for status and performance monitoring.
[11-May-2007 10:33:38] <chet> Collecting configuration from a system can be done without SNMP, but it sure is a hekuva lot easier with SNMP.
[11-May-2007 10:33:54] <chet> What kind of system are you trying to collect?
[11-May-2007 10:34:36] <kompressor> its a vmware machine running impi/ubuntu linux and a laptop running ubuntu feisty
[11-May-2007 10:35:29] <chet> I came into the conversation late.. why do you not want to use SNMP?
[11-May-2007 10:35:51] <kompressor> i was trying to use ssh not snmp
[11-May-2007 10:36:14] <kompressor> $ZENHOME/libexe does contain a lot of check_* executables
[11-May-2007 10:37:10] <J-Bob> kompressor: For the systems I have set up for ssh monitoring, I didn't do a collect config. I just changed the transport and set up the collection plugins manually. I have even had some clients turn on snmp, model the device, then turn it off and set up the ssh plugins
[11-May-2007 10:40:54] <kompressor> hmm
[11-May-2007 10:41:10] <chet> kompressor: Did you already setup public key authentication from your zenoss system to the systems you want to monitor?
[11-May-2007 10:41:45] <kompressor> chet, no i havent...how do that?
[11-May-2007 10:42:37] <chet> Change to the zenoss user on your zenoss server and run "ssh-keygen -t rsa" to create the public/private key pair. Don't put a password on the key.
[11-May-2007 10:43:29] <kompressor> chet, done
[11-May-2007 10:44:04] <chet> Go to the zProperties for the /Device class.
[11-May-2007 10:44:15] <chet> Make sure the zKeyPath = ~/.ssh/id_rsa
[11-May-2007 10:45:22] <kompressor> ohh mine was set to dsa
[11-May-2007 10:45:43] <kompressor> let me see
[11-May-2007 10:46:13] <chet> We're not nearly done yet. =} Go ahead and change it to rsa..
[11-May-2007 10:46:33] <kompressor> done
[11-May-2007 10:46:52] <chet> Let's start with your laptop as our example..
[11-May-2007 10:47:03] <chet> Create a zenoss user on it.
[11-May-2007 10:47:30] <kompressor> ok on it now
[11-May-2007 10:48:35] <kompressor> user addedd
[11-May-2007 10:49:10] <chet> On the laptop create a new directory called /home/zenoss/.ssh
[11-May-2007 10:49:20] <chet> Assuming your new zenoss user's home directory is /home/zenoss.. which it probably is.
[11-May-2007 10:52:40] <kompressor> done
[11-May-2007 10:54:49] <kompressor> :-) going on....
[11-May-2007 11:00:23] <chet> Add a file into that new .ssh directory called "authorized_keys" and copy the contents of the file $ZENHOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub on your zenoss server into this new authorized_keys file.
[11-May-2007 11:00:42] <chet> This will authorize your zenoss server to ssh into your laptop using that key you created.
[11-May-2007 11:01:23] <kompressor> yes i see that now
[11-May-2007 11:03:28] <kompressor> and ....done
[11-May-2007 11:03:38] <chet> Can you test it from the zenoss server? As the zenoss user try to ssh into the laptop. You should not be prompted with a password.
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[11-May-2007 11:04:57] <kompressor> nope it prompts for the password
[11-May-2007 11:05:04] <stockholm> chet: hi!
[11-May-2007 11:05:08] <kompressor> should i restart the laptop maybe?
[11-May-2007 11:05:34] <stockholm> chet: does zenoss do different frequencies for different targets?
[11-May-2007 11:05:46] <stockholm> chet: or flexible frequencies, even?
[11-May-2007 11:11:41] <chet> stockholm: It is possible to setup multiple performance monitors on the same system.. check out http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2007/004711.html
[11-May-2007 11:13:17] <chet> kompressor: one sec and I'll help you troubleshoot that.
[11-May-2007 11:13:17] <kompressor> chet, the laptop still requires the passwd.. :-(
[11-May-2007 11:13:23] <kompressor> chet, sure
[11-May-2007 11:15:42] <chet> Does your /var/log/messages on the laptop contain any errors from sshd?
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[11-May-2007 11:17:14] <kompressor> chet, no errors on sshd
[11-May-2007 11:18:29] <chet> On the zenoss server, as the zenoss user try to ssh to your laptop again, but this time run ssh like "ssh -v -v -v yourLaptop"
[11-May-2007 11:19:54] <chet> You should get a copious amount of debugging output.. could you paste that into pastebin.mozilla.org?
[11-May-2007 11:20:21] <kompressor> sure
[11-May-2007 11:20:26] <kompressor> ill paste now
[11-May-2007 11:21:55] <kompressor> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/53437
[11-May-2007 11:21:55] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[11-May-2007 11:23:12] <chet> odd, it didn't even find your key.
[11-May-2007 11:23:26] <chet> Could you verify that /home/zenoss/.ssh/id_rsa id_rsa.pub exist?
[11-May-2007 11:23:31] <chet> On the zenoss server.
[11-May-2007 11:24:21] <kompressor> yes it exists
[11-May-2007 11:24:42] <kompressor> is it necessary to restart the laptop maybe in order to pick up the key
[11-May-2007 11:25:10] <chet> No, definitely not. Actually it looks like that isn't the full output in pastebin. Could you get the beginning of the output too?
[11-May-2007 11:25:31] <kompressor> ok
[11-May-2007 11:27:25] <Bulwinkle> heya chet!
[11-May-2007 11:27:35] <bzed> amke sure the .ssh directory is 700 and authorized_keys is 600 and the user is the owner, as far as I remember is ssh picky about that
[11-May-2007 11:27:37] <chet> Good morning, Bulwinkle.
[11-May-2007 11:27:45] <chet> bzed: Good point.
[11-May-2007 11:28:07] <stockholm> chet: i was hoping to get something like daily sampling for checks on google hits and 30secs or so for bandwidth graphs
[11-May-2007 11:28:26] <stockholm> chet: in ONE setup, not multiple
[11-May-2007 11:28:46] <Bulwinkle> chet: should I still be getting the Misuse of shell builtins until I get the Regex correctly configured?
[11-May-2007 11:29:35] <kompressor> posted here http://pastebin.mozilla.org/53443 - let me try bzed's suggestion
[11-May-2007 11:29:35] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[11-May-2007 11:29:43] <chet> Bulwinkle: No.. I'm surprised you're still getting that since the debugging output showed it returning properly.
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[11-May-2007 11:30:05] <Bulwinkle> chet: well, that is the only thing showing up
[11-May-2007 11:30:29] <chet> kompressor: It looks like you ran that command as impi instead of the zenoss user.
[11-May-2007 11:30:53] <kompressor> chet, let me double check that
[11-May-2007 11:31:39] <chet> Bulwinkle: Is that misuse of shell builtins event coming from the same device that you specified in the manual run with --device= ?
[11-May-2007 11:32:16] <Bulwinkle> chet: all devices with pointtopointserial interfaces
[11-May-2007 11:32:53] <jgw> i am very new to zenoss and currently using the vmware appliance to monitor a few windows servers and a few cisco devices. i am getting constant event errors for a cisco asa5520 device stating "snmp agent down on device fw-01", the settings appear to be perfectly correct, and when i go to the Manage tab for the device and select "collect configuration" it reads any changes i made on the cisco device info
[11-May-2007 11:33:44] <chet> jgw: Go the the zProperties of fw-01 and verify that the zSnmpCommunity and zSnmpVer are appropriate.
[11-May-2007 11:34:16] <chet> After that try restarting zenperfsnmp from the About page.
[11-May-2007 11:35:32] <kompressor> chet, i double checked that here... http://pastebin.mozilla.org/53452
[11-May-2007 11:35:32] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[11-May-2007 11:37:01] <chet> Looks like only the last part of the output again..
[11-May-2007 11:38:51] <kompressor> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/53456 ok check here
[11-May-2007 11:38:51] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[11-May-2007 11:39:03] <kompressor> chet, can we chat again tomoro...i have to go now ...thanx
[11-May-2007 11:39:22] <kompressor> bye all
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[11-May-2007 11:39:42] <chet> I'll be golfing tomorrow.
[11-May-2007 11:42:05] <chet> That's pretty cool.. I'd never tried modeling a Linux system via ssh before. It worked amazingly well.. interfaces, processes, ip services, file systems and routes all look great.
[11-May-2007 11:44:31] <seans> that might be how I am hoping to use the system, you used a host key authentication?
[11-May-2007 11:44:38] <chet> yeah
[11-May-2007 11:45:40] <chet> Personally I'm still partial to SNMP.
[11-May-2007 11:45:51] <jgw> chet: do i not need to worry about zSnmpCommunities? and just focus on vSnmpCommunity?
[11-May-2007 11:46:12] <seans> honestly if it is able to monitor over ssh, there would be so many things you could do i would imagine, I havent had time to poke at zenoss too much after installing it
[11-May-2007 11:46:21] <chet> zSnmpCommunity is the one that'll be used to poll the system. zSnmpCommunities is for discovery and modeling.
[11-May-2007 11:46:28] <jgw> chet: the vSnmpVer was set to v1, whereas the device is set for v2c, so i changed it to "v2c"
[11-May-2007 11:46:40] <chet> Great.
[11-May-2007 11:47:05] <chet> seans: True.. if you aren't familiar with extending your SNMP agent it may be easier to script extensions into zenplugins.
[11-May-2007 11:47:39] <chet> seans: Ever since I found the SNMP::Persist module on CPAN extending NetSNMP has been a breeze.
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[11-May-2007 11:48:33] <israelalvarez> hello - I'm having some trouble installing the mysql bindings for python required by zenoss
[11-May-2007 11:48:48] <chet> israelalvarez: What kind of troubles?
[11-May-2007 11:48:50] <israelalvarez> can anyone offer some advice?
[11-May-2007 11:49:04] <chet> israelalvarez: 90% chance I'd say..
[11-May-2007 11:49:20] <seans> chet: I honestly I dont know a thing about SNMP, I have an idea of what OIDs are, and can snmp walk things, but acutally using it for something useful, Ive yet to do that, I will have to find a server to do something testing wiht it
[11-May-2007 11:49:29] <israelalvarez> install.sh fails at mysql-python saying it can't find libmysql
[11-May-2007 11:49:50] <israelalvarez> I have a paste of the output: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/385462133
[11-May-2007 11:49:50] <adytum-bot> Title: CakeBin : Pastes (at bin.cakephp.org)
[11-May-2007 11:49:50] <chet> israelalvarez: What Linux distribution are you using?
[11-May-2007 11:49:50] <israelalvarez> suse
[11-May-2007 11:50:07] <chet> What version of MySQL?
[11-May-2007 11:50:54] <israelalvarez> SUSE LINUX 10.0 (i586) OSS specifically
[11-May-2007 11:51:22] <israelalvarez> mysql-5.0.41
[11-May-2007 11:51:29] <israelalvarez> built from source
[11-May-2007 11:51:46] <jgw> chet: i'm still getting those errors argh
[11-May-2007 11:51:58] <jgw> chet: unfortunately, the vmware image doesnt have strace
[11-May-2007 11:52:06] <jgw> will try reverting everything to v1 for the heck of it
[11-May-2007 11:52:42] <chet> jgw: You could try running this as the zenoss user: zenperfsnmp run -v 10 --device=yourRouter
[11-May-2007 11:52:43] <israelalvarez> I installed mysql using prefix=/usr/local, but I've copied the headers and libs to /usr/local/inclu
[11-May-2007 11:52:44] <israelalvarez> de/mysql and /usr/local/lib/mysql respectively
[11-May-2007 11:52:50] <israelalvarez> but still no luck
[11-May-2007 11:53:21] <chet> Do you have mysqlclient_r.so.15 in /usr/local/lib/mysql?
[11-May-2007 11:53:49] <jgw> chet: 10-4
[11-May-2007 11:53:56] <israelalvarez> I have libmysqlclient.so.15
[11-May-2007 11:54:03] <israelalvarez> but no libmysqlclient_r.so.15
[11-May-2007 11:54:05] <chet> But not _r?
[11-May-2007 11:54:07] <chet> hmm..
[11-May-2007 11:54:17] <israelalvarez> lemme do a search
[11-May-2007 11:54:18] <chet> one sec, I'll have to look into that one.
[11-May-2007 11:54:51] <israelalvarez> hmmm
[11-May-2007 11:55:20] <jgw> heh setting snmp ver to v1 cleared the error
[11-May-2007 11:55:21] <israelalvarez> I have mysqlclient_r.so.14 in /usr/lib/mysql/
[11-May-2007 11:56:20] <chet> That must be the stock Suse MySQL4 install.
[11-May-2007 11:56:35] <israelalvarez> ya I figured that's where it came from
[11-May-2007 11:56:36] <chet> Are you dependent upon that? If not, I'd recommend uninstalling it.
[11-May-2007 11:56:47] <chet> You know how multiple versions can be..
[11-May-2007 11:57:00] <israelalvarez> thought I had - at least I instructed yast to uninstall all mysql it knew about
[11-May-2007 11:57:12] <israelalvarez> possible there's another dependency in the system though
[11-May-2007 11:57:56] <israelalvarez> ok, I have no libmysqlclient_r.so.15 anywhere on my system, including the mysql build dir
[11-May-2007 12:02:15] <chet> Could you check your mysql ./configure options? _r is the threadsafe library. You might need to force the configure script to include it.
[11-May-2007 12:02:35] <israelalvarez> ah ok
[11-May-2007 12:02:58] <israelalvarez> do I need to rebuild and reinstall or can I just rebuild the threadsafe lib and manually copy it?
[11-May-2007 12:03:09] <israelalvarez> mysql I mean
[11-May-2007 12:03:30] <chet> Manually copying that stuff makes me nervous. It should install it automatically.
[11-May-2007 12:04:25] <israelalvarez> k ty
[11-May-2007 12:04:36] <israelalvarez> I appreciate the help very much
[11-May-2007 12:05:08] <chet> Not a problem.. I wish I were more familiar with SUSE.
[11-May-2007 12:10:37] <jgw> a couple friends kept going on and on about zenoss, so i decided to download the vmware image, play with it for 5 minutes, then drag it to the trash
[11-May-2007 12:10:45] <jgw> but i've got to say the zenoss folks have something here
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[11-May-2007 12:11:05] <jgw> its very intuitive imho
[11-May-2007 12:11:10] <jgw> especially with cisco devices
[11-May-2007 12:11:18] <jgw> there are lots of areas that need to be worked on, but
[11-May-2007 12:11:46] <chet> jgw: It's very new, but the pace of development is blazing..
[11-May-2007 12:12:23] <chet> jgw: Monitoring/Management software is quite an expansive problem domain. Obviously it'll take time to solve even a large minority of problems.
[11-May-2007 12:12:59] <chet> jgw: As far as I can tell, Zenoss is tackling the problem better than most.
[11-May-2007 12:13:53] <chet> The day that anyone, open source or not, comes up with a fully functional and easy to use NMS my grandchildren will be living on the moon. =}
[11-May-2007 12:14:06] <jgw> i love nagios, but its a pita to set things up. i have the smarts to do it, but not the time
[11-May-2007 12:14:20] <jgw> right now we use hobbitmon for production monitoring
[11-May-2007 12:14:32] <jgw> its quick and easy, but also too basic for our current needs
[11-May-2007 12:15:01] <chet> jgw: Agreed.. I was using Nagios previously. The solution to every problem seemed like a hack.
[11-May-2007 12:15:05] <jgw> i like how zenoss automatically breaks out cisco device interfaces and graphs them individually with virtually no work
[11-May-2007 12:15:49] <jgw> is there a way to bulk add Devices to a System?
[11-May-2007 12:16:15] <jgw> the way i'm thinking is that i create systems that are our various geographical locations, and then move devices into those
[11-May-2007 12:16:21] <chet> Quite a few ways.. zendisc will discover them for you. You can use REST/XMLRPC to do them programatically.
[11-May-2007 12:16:21] <jgw> is my thinking incorrect?
[11-May-2007 12:16:28] * jgw goes to rtfm
[11-May-2007 12:17:15] <chet> jgw: No.. use Locations for geographical locations. Use Systems for "Systems" .. most people seem to be using Systems like SAP, Oracle, PeopleSoft, Email, Web
[11-May-2007 12:17:28] <jgw> doh, ok
[11-May-2007 12:17:29] <chet> Systems in the managers' sense of the word.
[11-May-2007 12:17:45] <jgw> one silly thing i've been trying to do is avoid the documentation to test intuitiveness
[11-May-2007 12:18:14] <jgw> totally glossed over the existence of Locations, oops
[11-May-2007 12:18:32] <chet> That works to a point.. some things aren't intuitive. At least to me they aren't.
[11-May-2007 12:18:37] <chet> Event mapping is a good example.
[11-May-2007 12:20:22] <jgw> i dont suppose there are any zenoss addons to graphically map a network?
[11-May-2007 12:20:32] <jgw> according to a device's dependencies, ala nagios
[11-May-2007 12:20:47] <chet> Not yet, but I know it's on their minds.
[11-May-2007 12:21:10] <WolfeWLU> Is there anyway to create an aggregate view of all the interface graphs on a single page?
[11-May-2007 12:21:22] <chet> I've heard a few community members mention that they're working on it themselves.
[11-May-2007 12:21:42] <jgw> WolfeWLU: i havent really investigated it yet, but if you figure it out before i do, let me know
[11-May-2007 12:23:20] <chet> WolfeWLU: Not in the stock installation. Search the mailing list for "organized graphs" and you'll find a little project to do that.
[11-May-2007 12:23:29] <chet> A fellow named Ikenticus has been working on it.
[11-May-2007 12:23:38] <chet> I think the latest version is 1.4-5
[11-May-2007 12:24:47] <israelalvarez> Chet - that solved the problem. Thank you very much again for your help.
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[11-May-2007 12:28:32] <WolfeWLU> chet: Thank you!
[11-May-2007 12:29:19] <Bulwinkle> chet: any ideas with my problem?
[11-May-2007 12:29:59] <chet> Bulwinkle: I was curious if the misuse of shell builtins events were coming from the device that you specified when you ran the zenperfsnmp --device=??? command manually.
[11-May-2007 12:30:28] <Bulwinkle> chet: yes, and all devices with pointtopointserial interfaces
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[11-May-2007 12:40:59] <chet> Whether the interfaces are up or down? They all generate this event?
[11-May-2007 12:51:13] <jgw> are there any templates or whatever for cisco aironets, for zenoss?
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[11-May-2007 14:18:01] <Bulwinkle> chet: yes, all of them produce this Misuse
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[11-May-2007 15:56:31] <Bulwinkle> chet: are you still around?
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[11-May-2007 16:08:45] <jgw> hrm i like 1.1, but 1.9 beta is annoying me to no end
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[11-May-2007 16:17:40] <bzed> jgw: feel free to report all issues/problems to the forum or mailing lists
[11-May-2007 16:20:33] <Bulwinkle> Any developers in channel who can help me with a problem?
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[11-May-2007 18:20:34] <jgw> bzed: 10-4
[11-May-2007 18:37:32] <bzed> jgw: 10-4!?
[11-May-2007 18:39:01] <jgw> < bzed> jgw: feel free to report all issues/problems to the forum or mailing lists
[11-May-2007 18:39:48] <bzed> yes, and?
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[11-May-2007 22:01:57] <AIChains> hi guys
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[12-May-2007 00:56:32] <israelalvarez> anyone here?
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[12-May-2007 04:39:20] <foo> hmm, in the INSTALL.txt it says this: - Configure the username and password for zenperfsnmp in the config file: bash$ vim $ZENHOME/etc/zenperfsnmp.conf ... in this file, it just has: #PARAMETER VALUE \n monitor localhost ... where do I configure the username/password there? That could be documented better.
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[12-May-2007 20:18:48] <oakleeman> anybody awake in here?
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[13-May-2007 05:29:47] <foo> Anyone here a convert from nagios?
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[14-May-2007 03:02:32] <Loady__> hi.
[14-May-2007 03:03:52] <Loady__> how do i set zenoss to monitor a service without a public ip. like mysql witch only listens on localhost
[14-May-2007 03:04:20] <bzed> use a nagios plugin for example
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[14-May-2007 03:14:05] <iuso> is there a doc somewhere on zenoss.org about upgrading from 1.1.1 to 1.1.2?
[14-May-2007 03:17:38] <bzed> i think it's mentioneed in the install.txt or so, not sure about the right filename
[14-May-2007 03:17:45] <bzed> but it's in the tar.gz
[14-May-2007 03:18:50] <iuso> ok thanks
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[15-May-2007 02:02:42] <kompressor> hello all
[15-May-2007 02:03:04] <Snake-Eyes> hey
[15-May-2007 02:07:01] <kompressor> hey Snake-Eyes !
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[15-May-2007 02:52:18] <kompressor> Snake-Eyes, what zenoss version are you using?
[15-May-2007 03:02:07] <Snake-Eyes> 1.1.2 now
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[15-May-2007 03:08:04] <solitude> hi
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[15-May-2007 03:09:09] <solitude> I'm looking for some help.
[15-May-2007 03:09:52] <esv> hello folks, I just installed zenoss 1.1.2 from rpms but get an error message when trying to start it: Daemon: zeoctl /opt/zenoss/bin/zenoss: line 77: /opt/zenoss/bin/zeoctl: No such file or directory
[15-May-2007 03:09:52] <solitude> when I run zendisc --run routers I get the error snmp discover of self 'localhost' failed
[15-May-2007 03:10:33] <esv> am I missing any rpms?
[15-May-2007 03:11:22] <esv> solitude: are you able to run snmpwalk localhost ?
[15-May-2007 03:11:46] <esv> maybe you'll need to use -v1 or the snmp version you configured for snmpd.
[15-May-2007 03:14:31] <solitude> yup, snmpwalk works just fine
[15-May-2007 03:15:39] <esv> did u setup the community name in the zenoss config file, there is a similar question in the FAQ, isn't it?
[15-May-2007 03:19:59] <esv> did u check zSnmpCommunities in /Devices ? is your community name there?
[15-May-2007 03:21:09] <solitude> le me check on that
[15-May-2007 03:22:06] <solitude> is it zenperfsnmp file?
[15-May-2007 03:22:33] <kompressor> solitude, check in your web interface /Devices
[15-May-2007 03:30:03] <esv> kompressor: have you seen before the error message I posted above ?
[15-May-2007 03:30:04] <solitude> ok..
[15-May-2007 03:30:06] <esv> /opt/zenoss/bin/zenoss: line 77: /opt/zenoss/bin/zeoctl: No such file or directory
[15-May-2007 03:30:22] <esv> when installing from rpm.
[15-May-2007 03:30:40] <kompressor> esv, i havent come across it....
[15-May-2007 03:31:20] <kompressor> esv, i tested an rpm install yesterday and did not experience any problems
[15-May-2007 03:31:29] <esv> FC6?
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[15-May-2007 03:32:53] <kompressor> nope, on suse 10
[15-May-2007 03:33:38] <esv> I searched either on google or the site about the problem and it found 1 hit. the guy worked around it installing from source.
[15-May-2007 03:33:43] <esv> I am trying that now.
[15-May-2007 03:33:44] <kompressor> but i now use an ubuntu system again this morning
[15-May-2007 03:36:08] <esv> did you install the RPM Dependencies package too ?
[15-May-2007 03:37:02] <kompressor> yes
[15-May-2007 03:37:32] <esv> which one, rhel43 or rhel5-1?
[15-May-2007 03:38:18] <esv> since I am trying FC6, should I use zenoss-deps-rhel5-1.1.2.i386.tar.bz2 ?
[15-May-2007 03:42:36] <esv> good night.
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[15-May-2007 03:48:12] <kompressor> esv, i have used zenoss-1.1.2-0.rhel5.src.rpm
[15-May-2007 03:48:27] <kompressor> the zenoss-deps-rhel5-1.1.2.i386.tar.bz should also be fine
[15-May-2007 03:50:42] <iuso> hi, is it possible to use more than one RRD templates for a device? we have servers of which most but not all have ssh, some have a mail service, and so on -- i'd like to have separate templates for these features, and build each device's data sources collection from separate pieces
[15-May-2007 03:51:27] <iuso> right now i just make local copies of the standard linux server template for each device and then manually add the pieces, but this is much work
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[15-May-2007 03:58:58] <kompressor> esv, i have used zenoss-1.1.2-0.rhel5.src.rpm
[15-May-2007 03:59:14] <esv> thnx
[15-May-2007 03:59:14] <kompressor> the zenoss-deps-rhel5-1.1.2.i386.tar.bz should also work fine
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[15-May-2007 04:11:19] <iuso> hello, is there anyone around who would care to help?
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[15-May-2007 04:26:25] <esv> maybe, why don't you ask and find out ?
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[15-May-2007 04:31:42] <iuso> esv: because i have asked before, don't remember getting a reply
[15-May-2007 04:32:19] <iuso> esv: you seemed to be offline when i did, want to hear my question if i paste it again?
[15-May-2007 04:37:33] <iuso> well here goes anyway
[15-May-2007 04:37:39] <iuso> is it possible to use more than one RRD template for a device? i'd like to have separate templates for different features, and build each device's data sources collection from these individual templates
[15-May-2007 04:37:45] <iuso> right now i just make local copies of the standard linux server template for each device and then manually add the pieces, but this is much work
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[15-May-2007 04:43:39] <iuso> and while i'm at it: is it possible to collect configuration for a group of devices instead of one at a time?
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[15-May-2007 06:38:03] <solitude> I downloaded using svn.. is that ok?
[15-May-2007 06:38:29] <kompressor> yes..that is fine
[15-May-2007 06:38:46] <kompressor> solitude, what version is it?
[15-May-2007 06:39:03] <solitude> 1.1.2
[15-May-2007 06:39:45] <solitude> Zenoss Zenoss 1.9.5 r5324
[15-May-2007 06:39:51] <solitude> sorry, its this version
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[15-May-2007 06:43:14] <kompressor> solitude, you also dont have "Users" link?
[15-May-2007 06:45:16] <solitude> no
[15-May-2007 06:45:45] <solitude> there are totally 4 main links which are main views, classes, browse by and management
[15-May-2007 06:48:54] <solitude> the print screwns that I see on the website zenoss.com and what i have here is completely different
[15-May-2007 06:53:24] <kompressor> ok let me check something bcoz im trying to setup the same version you have quickly
[15-May-2007 06:55:12] <solitude> oh ok
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[15-May-2007 07:06:34] <solitude> ouch
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[15-May-2007 07:28:16] <kompressor> hi bzed
[15-May-2007 07:28:26] <bzed> hi
[15-May-2007 07:28:45] <kompressor> bzed, are u using Zenoss 1.9.5 r532?
[15-May-2007 07:29:36] <bzed> haven't "used" it at all for a while, at the moment I'm only packaging it and when the packages are done, we'll use it
[15-May-2007 07:29:49] <kompressor> ok...
[15-May-2007 07:30:42] <bzed> not beeing able to use it is a good reason to work more on the packages
[15-May-2007 07:31:22] <kompressor>
what is the command for adding a new ZenUser, or should this be done in mysql?[15-May-2007 07:33:22] <iuso> how do i create a new performance template under /Device/Server/Linux? i need it to have the same data sources etc. as /Device/Server/Linux and add new ones
[15-May-2007 07:38:40] <kompressor> brb
[15-May-2007 08:02:37] <solitude> kompressor: any ideas how to add a new device?
[15-May-2007 08:03:31] <kompressor> solitude, im still figuring out how on your version, maybe with a command ...
[15-May-2007 08:04:58] <kompressor> solitude, the other thing is that version 1.1.2 is the current stable one
[15-May-2007 08:05:23] <kompressor> 1.9.5 is not stable
[15-May-2007 08:17:19] <iuso> hi, i've created a new performance template under /Devices/Server/Linux. how can i tell a device to use it?
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[15-May-2007 08:28:07] <solitude> I guess I will degrade..
[15-May-2007 08:29:17] <kompressor> solitude, i think its better for now..
[15-May-2007 08:34:23] <solitude> thx a lot kompressor
[15-May-2007 08:34:51] <J-Bob> kompressor: what up?
[15-May-2007 08:50:49] <solitude> reinstalling the stable version
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[15-May-2007 09:12:12] <kompressor> J-Bob, its cool here howzit!
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[15-May-2007 09:13:38] <Bulwinkle> Good morning all
[15-May-2007 09:14:01] <J-Bob> kompressor: dandy =)
[15-May-2007 09:14:11] <J-Bob> Mornin Bulwinkle!
[15-May-2007 09:14:13] <kompressor> hi Bulwinkle
[15-May-2007 09:14:51] <Bulwinkle> anyone here who can help me with a problem I have been having running a nagios plugin?
[15-May-2007 09:15:06] <Bulwinkle> (I've been working with chad
[15-May-2007 09:15:29] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: be glad to try
[15-May-2007 09:17:44] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: I've been trying to run the nagios check_ifoperstatus plugin to chek the status of my Cisco router interfaces with no success
[15-May-2007 09:19:21] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: the command seems to run correctly (zcommand run -v 10 --device=XXXXXXX) no errors at the command line but....
[15-May-2007 09:20:28] <Bulwinkle> (I'm doing a snapshot of the VM server it is on... one sec)
[15-May-2007 09:25:57] <solitude> finished the installation
[15-May-2007 09:32:52] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: So you are getting nothing back in the GUI from that command?
[15-May-2007 09:34:44] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: Damn VM server is hung, one sec
[15-May-2007 09:34:55] <Bulwinkle> I can give you the errors that show in the Error log
[15-May-2007 09:37:40] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: do that...
[15-May-2007 09:38:06] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: once VM starts acting right I will.....
[15-May-2007 09:41:58] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: he..he..'cay
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[15-May-2007 10:00:41] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: alrighty, slapped around the server, still here?
[15-May-2007 10:02:54] <J-Bob> Yup
[15-May-2007 10:03:35] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: at first I was getting a Misuse of shell builtins... then I went ahead and deleted the command and put THE EXACT COMMAND back in and now I am getting General error...
[15-May-2007 10:04:51] <kompressor> solitude, how is it going?
[15-May-2007 10:12:41] <solitude> good.. much easier to work on this
[15-May-2007 10:12:58] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: but you can run the command from the command line on the zenoss server with no problem?
[15-May-2007 10:13:22] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: yeppers, getting ready to post an example, one sec
[15-May-2007 10:16:28] <Bulwinkle> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/61535
[15-May-2007 10:16:35] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[15-May-2007 10:17:12] <Bulwinkle> I think I see a problem, how do I change the command prefix from /bin/sh -C exec 'blach'
[15-May-2007 10:19:18] <solitude> just a question, how better is it when compared to nagios?
[15-May-2007 10:19:36] * solitude mumbles
[15-May-2007 10:19:38] <solitude> never mind
[15-May-2007 10:19:55] <kompressor> solitude, its outstanding ....much better
[15-May-2007 10:20:07] <kompressor> solitude, zenoss has nagios plugins as well
[15-May-2007 10:20:39] <kompressor> solitude, i havent played much with it but the web interface is outstanding
[15-May-2007 10:20:44] <Bulwinkle> solitude: it looks to have GREAT potential... unfortunately the userbase isn't as large and it is harder to get help from anyone who knows anything
[15-May-2007 10:20:56] <Bulwinkle> (No offense to those that HAVE helped me)
[15-May-2007 10:21:02] <solitude> I liked the status map of nagios.. Is it possible to setup that on zenoss?
[15-May-2007 10:21:23] <Bulwinkle> solitude: nope
[15-May-2007 10:21:33] <solitude> oh ok
[15-May-2007 10:21:49] <kompressor> solitude, however you get graphs and other nice features
[15-May-2007 10:21:57] <J-Bob> solitude: Better than nagios is a relative thing. nagios is a solid tool, but requires much care & feeding and you need rrdtool & cacti (or similar) for data collection and graphing. Zenoss attempts to simplify device monitoring and eliminate editing text files
[15-May-2007 10:22:22] <kompressor> Bulwinkle, i guess you'd get that functionality with nagios-plugins
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[15-May-2007 10:23:18] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: did you get my earlier message about the command thingey? It seems to run all of the command plugins with a /bin/sh prefix and that doesn't work
[15-May-2007 10:23:49] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: yuppers..I am checking a few things!
[15-May-2007 10:23:52] <solitude> I was using nagios with various plugins which was using information from nagios for data collection and graphing..
[15-May-2007 10:23:54] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: thanks
[15-May-2007 10:23:57] <giesen> man I think my zenoss is hosed
[15-May-2007 10:24:06] <giesen> either that or it's very broken
[15-May-2007 10:24:33] <kompressor> giesen, why is that
[15-May-2007 10:24:48] <Bulwinkle> solitude: well, if you do a lot of interface graphing and collection then Zenoss is great out-of-the-box so to speak
[15-May-2007 10:24:51] <giesen> my alerts that are supposed to be marked critical are being marked as info
[15-May-2007 10:25:08] <giesen> my ssh monitoring and interface monitoring isnt working at all
[15-May-2007 10:25:16] <giesen> ie I dont get alerted on it
[15-May-2007 10:25:21] <giesen> when they go over 80%
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[15-May-2007 10:28:16] <eki1> i have a small issue with zenoss on centos 5, i'm unable to connect to the web console, tho everything seems to be running and server is listening on 8080
[15-May-2007 10:28:38] <eki1> any advice?
[15-May-2007 10:28:49] <dmnd> tcpdump it
[15-May-2007 10:28:53] <giesen> I'm 99% sure I have everything configured correctly
[15-May-2007 10:28:54] <dmnd> ?
[15-May-2007 10:29:09] <giesen> it just seems very hit and miss about notifications
[15-May-2007 10:29:23] <kompressor> hmmm
[15-May-2007 10:29:29] <eki1> performing that now
[15-May-2007 10:29:38] <giesen> for example
[15-May-2007 10:29:41] <J-Bob> giesen: there is a bug on alerts...what version are you running?
[15-May-2007 10:29:46] <giesen> 1.1.0
[15-May-2007 10:29:55] <giesen> I'm upgrading to 1.1.2 right now
[15-May-2007 10:30:35] <giesen> and everything else aside, my biggest issue right now is becoming lack of repeat notifications
[15-May-2007 10:31:00] <J-Bob> giesen: I think the fix is in 1.1.2. For some reason the filter code was prepending a "|" on the front of the event classes, so the query would not return any events for zenevent to alert
[15-May-2007 10:31:16] <J-Bob> giesen: repeat notifications, like for ignored events?
[15-May-2007 10:31:20] <giesen> yeah
[15-May-2007 10:31:33] <giesen> ie make noise until the problem is fixed
[15-May-2007 10:32:05] <giesen> I may have to pull zenoss out of two sites because of that, as much as I dont want to
[15-May-2007 10:34:08] <solitude> ever tried zenping topology testing?
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[15-May-2007 10:34:46] <J-Bob> giesen: Hmm...there are some things you can do. You can map an event so that when it comes in you can alert, then if the count changes, you can change the severity and re-issue, then alert again. The other option is to set up an escalation for ignored alerts which alerts a manager =)
[15-May-2007 10:34:59] <giesen> yeah
[15-May-2007 10:35:12] <giesen> we have that
[15-May-2007 10:35:22] <giesen> but we still need it to be more annoying :/
[15-May-2007 10:35:33] <Bulwinkle> I've been working on this problem I'm having for a week+ now.... Thats annoying
[15-May-2007 10:35:39] <giesen> there's only 2 of us
[15-May-2007 10:35:47] <giesen> and one of us has a baby
[15-May-2007 10:35:52] <giesen> so if I miss it
[15-May-2007 10:35:57] <giesen> we're screwed
[15-May-2007 10:35:58] <J-Bob> giesen: lemme see what can be done in the code to ramp up the alerts
[15-May-2007 10:36:05] <giesen> you're my hero =)
[15-May-2007 10:36:10] <giesen> I'll give you the ticket number if that helps
[15-May-2007 10:36:27] <J-Bob> giesen: sure
[15-May-2007 10:36:27] <giesen> ticket #919
[15-May-2007 10:42:37] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: BTW I'm back to Misuse of shell builtins
[15-May-2007 10:43:32] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: Hmm... is this the syntax you are using for the plugin? ${zCommandPath}/zenplugin.py uptime
[15-May-2007 10:43:56] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: nope
[15-May-2007 10:44:18] <Bulwinkle> I just posted to the user forum the syntax I am using.
[15-May-2007 10:44:43] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: what is the default $zCommandPath?
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[15-May-2007 10:48:39] <solitude> is it possible to add a service with a port number and monitor the service
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[15-May-2007 10:53:56] <eki1> finished tcpdump, ran /opt/zenoss/bin/zenoss status, everything is running, still no access to the web console
[15-May-2007 10:54:22] <chet> Bulwinkle: Around?
[15-May-2007 10:54:32] <Bulwinkle> hells yeah
[15-May-2007 10:54:45] <J-Bob> Hi Chet...
[15-May-2007 10:54:49] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'm playing with my problem more and getting some new stuff
[15-May-2007 10:54:56] <chet> Hi J-Bob.
[15-May-2007 10:55:04] <chet> Bulwinkle: New is good when old is broken..
[15-May-2007 10:55:23] <solitude> eki1: checked your apache config?
[15-May-2007 10:55:36] <solitude> see the apache error.log file
[15-May-2007 10:56:05] <Bulwinkle> chet: have you read my post?
[15-May-2007 10:56:13] <Bulwinkle> chet: brand new
[15-May-2007 10:56:13] <eki1> one sec
[15-May-2007 10:56:48] <chet> Bulwinkle: reading it now..
[15-May-2007 10:57:16] <Bulwinkle> chet: I have a meeting but I think it boils down to the fact that the command prefix "/bin/sh -c exec" makes any command following it not run
[15-May-2007 10:57:38] <chet> Bulwinkle: Try it from the command line as the zenoss user.. see what happens.
[15-May-2007 10:59:02] <Bulwinkle> chet: Nadda....
[15-May-2007 10:59:31] <eki1> solitude: i didn't see any problem in the error log, this is a new server that replaced an old one with zenoss working on it, i have the old copy of the httpd.conf file... whats supposed to configured there
[15-May-2007 10:59:33] <eki1> ?
[15-May-2007 10:59:59] <Bulwinkle> chet: I've got a meeting for a few minutes BRB
[15-May-2007 11:03:18] <solitude> how do I add alerting rules?
[15-May-2007 11:04:11] <chet> solitude: To add them for yourself, go to the Preferences link in the top right, then the alerting rules tab.
[15-May-2007 11:04:24] <chet> solitude: To add them for others, you start at the Users link on the left.
[15-May-2007 11:10:49] <esv> folks, I just installed zenoss from source on FC 6, it seems to have gone ok ,except that at the end it "hung" with a message... "Loading initial Zenoss objects into Zeo database (this can take a few minutes)"
[15-May-2007 11:11:19] <esv> but it has been hours on that state. is it trying to discover the network and other devices?
[15-May-2007 11:11:31] <giesen> esv: I've seen it take a couple hours
[15-May-2007 11:11:43] <giesen> also, if your /tmp partition isnt at least 1 Gb
[15-May-2007 11:11:44] <chet> esv: It isn't discovering anything.
[15-May-2007 11:11:47] <giesen> it'll usually fail
[15-May-2007 11:11:54] <giesen> (silently)
[15-May-2007 11:12:52] <esv> well, it hasn't printed anything and (there isn't much to discover
).[15-May-2007 11:13:39] <chet> esv: Check top to see if it's doing anything.
[15-May-2007 11:13:48] <giesen> it's not discovering, it's just populating the database with the default stuff
[15-May-2007 11:14:14] <esv> mysql?
[15-May-2007 11:14:41] <giesen> there's actually two databases
[15-May-2007 11:14:44] <giesen> there's the mysql database
[15-May-2007 11:14:47] <giesen> and the zope database
[15-May-2007 11:14:54] <giesen> it's populating the zope database
[15-May-2007 11:15:07] <esv> is there a way to query it?
[15-May-2007 11:15:09] <giesen> check how big your tmp partiion is
[15-May-2007 11:15:17] <giesen> in my experience that's usually the problem
[15-May-2007 11:15:25] <esv> the disk is 1 big fat partition.
[15-May-2007 11:15:32] <giesen> ah
[15-May-2007 11:15:33] <giesen> hrm
[15-May-2007 11:16:38] <esv> I mean, it is not FAT formatted, just 1 big partition.
[15-May-2007 11:17:13] <solitude> chet: I got that, but how to set the options
[15-May-2007 11:23:54] <chet> solitude: Which options do you want to know about?
[15-May-2007 11:38:10] <solitude> chet: I figured it out
[15-May-2007 11:38:11] <solitude> thx
[15-May-2007 11:50:44] <chet> Glad I could help.
[15-May-2007 11:59:11] <Bulwinkle> chet: back.... any more ideas?
[15-May-2007 12:00:53] <chet> Bulwinkle: Could you run the: /opt/zenoss/libexec/check_ifoperstatus -k 13 -H 192.168.186.38 -C SNMPString
[15-May-2007 12:01:03] <chet> Bulwinkle: as the zenoss user just to be sure it gives a good response?
[15-May-2007 12:03:15] <Bulwinkle> chet: it does.... "OK: Interface Serial1/0 (index 33) is ip."
[15-May-2007 12:04:13] <chet> Bulwinkle: What about: /bin/sh -c 'exec /opt/zenoss/libexec/check_ifoperstatus -k 13 -H 192.168.186.38 -C SNMPString'
[15-May-2007 12:07:13] <Bulwinkle> that worked....
[15-May-2007 12:08:14] <Bulwinkle> chet: I've got to eat something bbiab
[15-May-2007 12:16:25] <giesen> mmm clearing the event cache on zenoss is fun
[15-May-2007 12:16:31] <giesen> and the 10,000 emails I get afterwards
[15-May-2007 12:23:47] * esv figured out his problem.
[15-May-2007 12:25:24] <esv> as it turns out iptables was blocking access to port 8100
[15-May-2007 12:26:05] <giesen> anyone know how to edit the thresholds for ALL network cards
[15-May-2007 12:26:07] <giesen> on utilization
[15-May-2007 12:26:48] <giesen> nm I found it
[15-May-2007 12:28:01] <esv> k, just installed zenoss from source files, do I need to create the startup scripts?
[15-May-2007 12:28:33] <esv> or does the process creates them?
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[15-May-2007 12:59:26] <WolfeWLU> Does anyone know the recommended way to flag a device or service into downtime?
[15-May-2007 13:00:33] <chet> WolfeWLU: Setup a maintenance window. I believe this is on the Manage tab of a device or device class.
[15-May-2007 13:00:46] <chet> WolfeWLU: Be sure to make sure it starts in the future or it won't trigger properly.
[15-May-2007 13:02:24] <WolfeWLU> Ah so. Thank you. :-)
[15-May-2007 13:02:38] <WolfeWLU> Does moving the device from Production to Maintenance also take it down until changed?
[15-May-2007 13:02:53] <Bulwinkle> chet: back.... any good ideas?
[15-May-2007 13:05:19] <chet> WolfeWLU: Yes. Behind the scenes that is what a maintenance window does. It downgrades the production status for a fixed perioud of itme.
[15-May-2007 13:05:22] <chet> itme = time
[15-May-2007 13:05:56] <chet> Bulwinkle: I must say, I'm a bit baffled. How would you like to try the latest beta?
[15-May-2007 13:06:55] <Bulwinkle> chet: how do I get my command to run either a) in quotes or b) just from the command line?
[15-May-2007 13:07:12] <Bulwinkle> chet: is there a Fedora Package for it?
[15-May-2007 13:09:45] <chet> Bulwinkle: zencommand actually does run it in quotes.. it just isn't displaying that way in the log.
[15-May-2007 13:10:08] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'm totally stumped....
[15-May-2007 13:10:42] <chet> Bulwinkle: The EL package should work on Fedora.
[15-May-2007 13:11:17] <Bulwinkle> chet: thats what I'm gonna do then.... I'm following the instructions in the forum
[15-May-2007 13:16:15] <Bulwinkle> chet: You are a member of the development team aren't you?
[15-May-2007 13:16:53] <chet> Bulwinkle: heh.. no. Just a user.
[15-May-2007 13:17:34] <chet> Bulwinkle: By the way.. you'll also want to add a "-D i" to your check_ifoperstatus command template. This will keep it from notifying you of admin down interfaces.
[15-May-2007 13:17:55] <Bulwinkle> chet: gotcha, thx...
[15-May-2007 13:20:20] <Bulwinkle> chet: you gonna stick around until I get it installed?
[15-May-2007 13:21:00] <chet> Bulwinkle: Depends on how long it takes you. I'll be around in my usual spotty manner for a few more hours.
[15-May-2007 13:21:35] <Bulwinkle> chet: I should be done before then.... I'll msg you again once I get it running. What IM do you use?
[15-May-2007 13:23:03] <Bulwinkle> chet: if I installed from RPM should I uninstall the RPM before installing the new one?
[15-May-2007 13:23:07] <chet> Just keep it here in the channel if you don't mind.
[15-May-2007 13:23:36] <chet> Bulwinkle: You don't have much setup yet, right? You might want to start completely fresh.
[15-May-2007 13:23:38] <Bulwinkle> NP
[15-May-2007 13:24:40] <Bulwinkle> I have a few objects in there.... Guess I can re-create them all. Delete the /opt/zenoss directory after a rpm -e ?
[15-May-2007 13:25:40] <chet> Probably your best bet. I think with your setup it'll be faster to recreate the objects than to go through the upgrade process.
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[15-May-2007 13:29:22] <Bulwinkle> chet: done deal ( the delete, I hope you're right
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[15-May-2007 13:30:38] <andrewdied> Does the zenoss guide (http://community.zenoss.com/docs/documentation/zenoss-guide/index.html) have a pdf or "all in one big page" option?
[15-May-2007 13:30:38] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[15-May-2007 13:30:50] <Bulwinkle> chet: should I have dropped the database?
[15-May-2007 13:31:44] <chet> Bulwinkle: All that's in the database are your previously generated events. If you don't need them, drop it.
[15-May-2007 13:31:50] <chet> Bulwinkle: Make it as clean as possible.
[15-May-2007 13:32:13] <Bulwinkle> chet: i'm doing the install of the 1.9.5 package now
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[15-May-2007 13:33:45] <Bulwinkle> chet: default login again?
[15-May-2007 13:34:10] <chet> Bulwinkle: hmm.. admin/zenoss?
[15-May-2007 13:34:57] <chet> andrewdied: There is a PDF for the 1.1 series at https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=163126&package_id=229634
[15-May-2007 13:34:57] <adytum-bot> Title: SourceForge.net: Files (at sourceforge.net)
[15-May-2007 13:35:43] <andrewdied> chet: Thanks, I hadn't thought of looking at sourceforge for it. I'm trying out the new beta now, but since I hadn't used 1.1 very long, I'm still learning the core concepts.
[15-May-2007 13:36:10] <Bulwinkle> chet: man my screen is all screwed up....
[15-May-2007 13:36:24] <chet> The documentation for 1.1 is still good for that. They'll probably release the documentation for 2 in PDF format once it done with beta.
[15-May-2007 13:36:32] <chet> Bulwinkle: SHIFT-REFRESH
[15-May-2007 13:36:41] <chet> Bulwinkle: You probably have some old CSS or JS cached.
[15-May-2007 13:36:53] <Bulwinkle> aaaah.... much cleaner
[15-May-2007 13:37:02] <chet> Bulwinkle: Isn't the new one pretty? =}
[15-May-2007 13:38:01] <Bulwinkle> chet: much prettier....
[15-May-2007 13:38:08] <Bulwinkle> Lets see if the sucker works
[15-May-2007 13:38:18] <RobGault> Is anyone here running on OSX?
[15-May-2007 13:41:30] <Bulwinkle> chet: zenping, zensyslog, and zentrap won't start
[15-May-2007 13:42:03] <chet> Make sure $ZENHOME/bin/zensocket is setuid root.
[15-May-2007 13:43:03] <Bulwinkle> not existant
[15-May-2007 13:43:50] <chet> Oops..
[15-May-2007 13:43:54] <chet> That's correct.
[15-May-2007 13:44:12] <chet> visudo and see if you have a line allowing the zenoss user to run some commands..
[15-May-2007 13:46:09] <Bulwinkle> chet: yeah, I put that one in... /opt/zenoss/bin/python, /bin/kill
[15-May-2007 13:46:46] <chet> Could you paste the whole line in here?
[15-May-2007 13:47:40] <Bulwinkle> zenoss gthou-zenoss01d = NOPASSWD: /opt/zenoss/bin/python,/bin/kill
[15-May-2007 13:48:14] <chet> Does the RPM install it in /opt/zenoss?
[15-May-2007 13:48:32] <Bulwinkle> chet: yes
[15-May-2007 13:49:06] <chet> Try doing "zenping run -v 10" as the zenoss user.. maybe it'll be more obvious why it isn't starting.
[15-May-2007 13:50:01] <Bulwinkle> when I su zenoss i get /home/zenoss/.bashrc: permission denied... One sec
[15-May-2007 13:54:03] <Bulwinkle> I'm going to start with a fresh OS install too
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[15-May-2007 18:34:48] <pack> what does the zenoss 3000 on http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/149 mean?
[15-May-2007 18:34:48] <adytum-bot> Title: #149 (Add Support for NetFlow) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[15-May-2007 18:34:50] <pack> does that mean netflow stuff is never showing up?
[15-May-2007 18:53:30] <giesen> pack: zenoss 3000 is their "future milestone"
[15-May-2007 18:53:35] <giesen> stuff that they'd like to do
[15-May-2007 18:53:51] <giesen> but either requires rewriting/rearchitecting a lot of stuff
[15-May-2007 18:53:59] <giesen> or is low priority
[15-May-2007 18:54:11] <giesen> man
[15-May-2007 18:54:18] <giesen> my zenoss box is at its *limit*
[15-May-2007 18:54:20] <giesen> last pid: 96818; load averages: 2.45, 3.55, 3.72 up 0+07:31:33 18:51:13
[15-May-2007 18:54:23] <giesen> 159 processes: 4 running, 135 sleeping, 1 stopped, 19 zombie
[15-May-2007 18:54:25] <giesen> CPU states: 37.3% user, 0.0% nice, 61.9% system, 0.7% interrupt, 0.0% idle
[15-May-2007 18:55:27] <giesen> damn ping graphing is killing my cpu
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[15-May-2007 19:18:00] <foo> giesen: How many devices?
[15-May-2007 19:21:16] <giesen> 100 or so
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[15-May-2007 19:23:27] <foo> giesen: hmm, ok. I have been under the impression zenoss is a little more resource intensive, than, say, nagios
[15-May-2007 19:23:37] <foo> I'm on nagios now, testing out zenoss... it's installed, have some further stuff to do
[15-May-2007 19:24:05] <giesen> it's very nice
[15-May-2007 19:24:11] <giesen> head and shoulders above nagios
[15-May-2007 19:24:23] <giesen> the issue isnt zenoss really
[15-May-2007 19:24:42] <giesen> it's the fact I'm running a nagios plugin to graph ping response times for 90 devices
[15-May-2007 19:26:43] <bzed> foo: it's more ressource intensive then nagios for sure, and that doesn't make me wonder
either you want to have the "features" of nagios, or you want to have something complete[15-May-2007 19:31:44] <giesen> yeah
[15-May-2007 19:31:50] <giesen> it definitely loves lots of ram
[15-May-2007 19:31:59] <giesen> zenoss actually understands SNMP
[15-May-2007 19:32:11] <giesen> which makes it vastly different from any other open source nms
[15-May-2007 19:32:19] <giesen> and its strength is snmp
[15-May-2007 19:32:38] <foo> Nice
[15-May-2007 19:48:03] <bzed> zope likes to eat soem ram
[15-May-2007 19:48:14] <bzed> including caches and stuff...
[15-May-2007 19:48:27] <bzed> a normal plone installation uses about 250-300M
[15-May-2007 19:49:31] <bzed> I guess snmp will work times better in zenoss 2.0 as they've written a new snmp library using a ctype binding to the netsnmp library
[15-May-2007 19:49:39] <giesen> nice
[15-May-2007 19:49:51] <bzed> that will be times better than the buggy twistedsnmp/pythonsnmp v3
[15-May-2007 19:49:57] <giesen> hehe I'm just waiting for snmp browse/write support =)
[15-May-2007 19:50:26] * giesen holds his breath
[15-May-2007 19:50:42] <giesen> hrm
[15-May-2007 19:50:57] <giesen> I think maybe I should go flip the breakers downstairs
[15-May-2007 19:51:00] <bzed> as far as I remember from reading the pynetsnmp lib there're only get function in there yet
[15-May-2007 19:51:04] <giesen> see if my UPS monitoring is still working =)
[15-May-2007 19:51:11] <bzed> hehe
[15-May-2007 19:51:20] <bzed> and see if the UPS still works
[15-May-2007 19:51:23] <giesen> I have some sexy UPS graphs
[15-May-2007 19:51:27] <giesen> haha trust me it works
[15-May-2007 19:51:34] <giesen> it does an auto maintenance once a once
[15-May-2007 19:51:36] <giesen> at 2 am
[15-May-2007 19:51:42] <giesen> and I get woken up every damn time
[15-May-2007 19:51:43] <bzed> APC ?
[15-May-2007 19:51:58] <giesen> liebert I think
[15-May-2007 19:52:01] <bzed> ah
[15-May-2007 19:52:05] <bzed> we have a large APC
[15-May-2007 19:52:08] <bzed> rock solid
[15-May-2007 19:52:32] <bzed> tyhe only failure it ever had so far was a buggy temperature sensor somewhere next to the main switch
[15-May-2007 19:52:33] <bzed> well
[15-May-2007 19:52:51] <giesen> sorry I lied
[15-May-2007 19:52:52] <bzed> it's possible to replace the main switch on a runnign USV
[15-May-2007 19:52:54] <giesen> PowerWare
[15-May-2007 19:53:01] <giesen> who are owned by liebert anyways
[15-May-2007 19:53:08] <bzed> never thought that it would be possible, but it worked like a charm
[15-May-2007 19:53:30] <giesen> the only thing that bugs me
[15-May-2007 19:53:40] <giesen> is some of the readings on SNMP dont match the readings in the web interface
[15-May-2007 19:53:45] <giesen> and I know the web interface is right
[15-May-2007 19:54:27] <bzed> is it a problem in zenoss or is the machine buggy in general?
[15-May-2007 19:54:38] <giesen> no it's the snmp stack on the management module that's lying
[15-May-2007 19:54:57] <giesen> UPS are notorious for that
[15-May-2007 19:55:07] <giesen> it's not a huge difference
[15-May-2007 19:55:11] <giesen> but it still annoys me
[15-May-2007 19:55:29] <bzed> yeah
[15-May-2007 19:55:31] <giesen> I have some uber sexy graphs for my UPS though
[15-May-2007 19:55:33] <bzed> it should not happen
[15-May-2007 19:55:53] <giesen> I graph every thing from battery run time to input voltage to percent load
[15-May-2007 19:56:42] <giesen> hehe I can see every month when it does its maintenance
[15-May-2007 19:56:55] <giesen> cause the battery current shoots up from 0
[15-May-2007 19:57:04] <bzed> hehe
[15-May-2007 20:00:35] <giesen> my next big monitoring project will be integrating zenoss with asterisk
[15-May-2007 20:00:37] <giesen> so that I get called by phone when something is broken
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[16-May-2007 03:00:40] <solitude> anybody awake?
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[16-May-2007 03:23:22] <Snake-Eyes> no, now go back to bed
[16-May-2007 03:23:55] * Snake-Eyes grumbles about it getting dark already
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[16-May-2007 03:53:38] <kompressor> lo everyone
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[16-May-2007 04:38:29] <kompressor> solitude, how did your setup of 1.1.2 go yesterday
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[16-May-2007 05:59:51] <foo> Hm, I set it up too.... but, had some issues. Going to tackle those when the time comes
[16-May-2007 06:00:23] <kompressor> ok
[16-May-2007 06:00:58] <foo> Anyone convert from nagios?
[16-May-2007 06:02:06] <kompressor> convert ????
[16-May-2007 06:02:24] <foo> Yeah, move from nagios to zenoss..
[16-May-2007 06:02:35] <foo> I'm currently have nagios setup, but was looking to migrate to zenoss
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[16-May-2007 06:10:38] <kompressor> foo, i didnt do a migration....
[16-May-2007 06:11:01] <kompressor> i just installed a new instance of zenoss alongside nagios so that i can compare
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[16-May-2007 07:15:51] <iuso> i have a problem here, error events don't trigger alarm mails to be sent
[16-May-2007 07:16:37] <iuso> i have the user configured correctly and the test mail comes through, and the event aging and other settings are OK so they shouldn't interfere
[16-May-2007 07:16:51] <iuso> no matter what the event severity is, there are no mails being sent
[16-May-2007 07:18:19] <iuso> these are critical errors too
[16-May-2007 07:35:05] <solitude> hey kompressor
[16-May-2007 07:40:10] <kompressor> solitude, howzit!
[16-May-2007 07:40:27] <solitude> goin good! :>
[16-May-2007 07:40:38] <solitude> do you get alerts though email whenever something goes down?
[16-May-2007 07:42:51] <iuso> solitude: no
[16-May-2007 07:43:54] <iuso> solitude: i'm looking at zenactions.log and there are mentions of mail been sent to my address, but nothing arrives
[16-May-2007 07:44:27] <iuso> solitude: i considered that maybe our spam filter would be the culprit, but test mails do arrive
[16-May-2007 07:51:53] <iuso> my /etc/hosts is OK (i read somewhere that it may affect this)
[16-May-2007 07:53:01] <iuso> i'm getting fresh critical errors, and zenactions.log still says mail has been sent
[16-May-2007 07:53:05] <iuso> but none arrives
[16-May-2007 07:57:32] <iuso> ok, figured it out. it was going to an unsubscribed mailbox
[16-May-2007 08:03:40] <solitude> got it?
[16-May-2007 08:05:18] <solitude> if we're monitoring a service, is there a way to know what is the downtime of that particular service?
[16-May-2007 08:05:23] <solitude> I dont see anything in reports
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[16-May-2007 08:31:16] <solitude> hey Bulwinkle
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[16-May-2007 08:31:30] <Bulwinkle> hey solitude
[16-May-2007 08:33:38] <solitude> I guess gentoo doesnt support zenoss so very well
[16-May-2007 08:33:56] <Bulwinkle> I could fit all I know about gentoo on the head of a pin....
[16-May-2007 08:34:37] <solitude> I dont see any details on the dashboard, no email alerts..
[16-May-2007 08:39:45] <solitude> Bulwinkle: When I test the mail address provided for a user I get the mail just fine
[16-May-2007 08:40:10] <solitude> do I need to make any extra changes to make alters work?
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[16-May-2007 08:40:14] <Bulwinkle> solitude: guess the mail portion works fine
[16-May-2007 08:43:06] <solitude> I dont see any attempts to send alerts in the log files of my postfix/zenactions.log
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[16-May-2007 09:24:21] <chet> Bulwinkle: How are you getting along with 1.9.5?
[16-May-2007 09:24:33] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'm not there yet
[16-May-2007 09:24:43] <Bulwinkle> chet: still reinstalling my OS
[16-May-2007 09:26:01] <Bulwinkle> chet: is the vm image of 1.9.5 fully loaded?
[16-May-2007 09:27:28] <chet> Bulwinkle: I recommend against it. It is still running that rPath distribution.
[16-May-2007 09:28:15] <chet> RHEL4/5 or derivatives are the best option if you don't favor something else for another reason.
[16-May-2007 09:28:49] <chet> 5 is probably the best because it comes with Python 2.4 and MySQL 5.
[16-May-2007 09:29:35] <chet> Personally I'm still running CentOS 4 with MySQL 5 from the centosplus repository and a local copy of Python 2.4 just for Zenoss.
[16-May-2007 09:29:40] <chet> Not quite as clean.
[16-May-2007 09:31:56] <Bulwinkle> chet: would you recommend running the cvs?
[16-May-2007 09:35:16] <chet> Only if you're interested in fixing a lot of problem yourself.
[16-May-2007 09:35:37] <Bulwinkle> I think you know what I think about that idea
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[16-May-2007 10:20:59] <Bulwinkle> chet: got it running.... looks like some things failed.... zentrap, zensyslog, zenping (all say sudo: sorry you must have tty to run sudo)
[16-May-2007 10:23:06] <chet> You probably have "Defaults requiretty" in you sudoers file. Run visudo to comment it out.
[16-May-2007 10:27:08] <Bulwinkle> you're such a stud... that got it
[16-May-2007 10:27:22] <Bulwinkle> now I gotta add in ONE device and see if we can get the command working
[16-May-2007 10:27:31] <chet> I have my fingers crossed.
[16-May-2007 10:30:54] <Bulwinkle> looks like it takes a LOT longer to load in devices. How do I stop it from adding all the routes from my Cisco devices?
[16-May-2007 10:34:38] <chet> Bulwinkle: You can set zRouteMapCollectOnlyLocal = True on their device class if you want. This will ignore all routes that were learned through any dynamic routing protocol.
[16-May-2007 10:34:54] <chet> Bulwinkle: Try to do this on as few devices as possible. Such as anything with a full BGP view.
[16-May-2007 10:35:18] <chet> Zenoss does use the routing tables to build a network topology internally.
[16-May-2007 10:35:30] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'll leave it alone for noe
[16-May-2007 10:35:32] <Bulwinkle> er now
[16-May-2007 10:35:44] <chet> It isn't required, but it will help suppress events in the case of a large network failure.
[16-May-2007 10:35:47] <Bulwinkle> I've already noticed one change and that is the community strings
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[16-May-2007 10:38:55] <Bulwinkle> the old one used to go through all of the snmp strings I set in the root zProperties....
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[16-May-2007 10:42:31] <Bulwinkle> how do I add in my propPointToPointSerial template?
[16-May-2007 10:43:14] <chet> Go to /Devices and the Templates tab.
[16-May-2007 10:44:01] <chet> Check ethernetCsmacd, then go to the little down arrow in the top left next to "Available Per.." and choose Copy.
[16-May-2007 10:44:12] <chet> Then paste it, go into the copy and rename it to propPointToPointSerial
[16-May-2007 10:44:19] <Bulwinkle> yeah, the GUI is a LOT different
[16-May-2007 10:50:01] <Bulwinkle> Where should $ZENHOME be set?
[16-May-2007 10:50:55] <kompressor> Bulwinkle, i think its /usr/local/zenoss hmmmm not sure
[16-May-2007 10:51:48] <Bulwinkle> I mean where is the variable set /etc/profile or what
[16-May-2007 10:52:08] <chet> Usually it is set in the .bash_profile in your zenoss user's home directory.
[16-May-2007 10:56:06] <Bulwinkle> chet: GRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! http://pastebin.mozilla.org/62673
[16-May-2007 10:56:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[16-May-2007 10:56:12] <Bulwinkle> same old problem, blank output
[16-May-2007 11:05:00] <chet> Try this again: /bin/sh -c 'exec /opt/zenoss/libexec/check_ifoperstatus -k 13 -H 192.168.186.38 -C mibcms'
[16-May-2007 11:07:58] <chet> hmm.. exit code 126. I think that indicates a non-executable file. What are the permissions on your $ZENHOME/libexec/check_ifoperstatus file?
[16-May-2007 11:16:04] <Bulwinkle> chet: I think you're going to want to kill me
[16-May-2007 11:16:07] <giesen> This is probably covered in an FAQ somewhere, but is there any expected timeline for a 2.0 release?
[16-May-2007 11:18:52] <chet> Bulwinkle: I doubt it.. that's usually what people tell me when they've found the solution to their own problem.
[16-May-2007 11:19:29] <Bulwinkle> chet: problem still isn't solved but I didn't do a make install on the nagios plugins which is apparently needed
[16-May-2007 11:20:12] <chet> giesen: No specific date. It'll be released once all the blocking bugs from the beta are squashed.
[16-May-2007 11:23:18] <chet> giesen: I like to keep an eye on this RSS feed: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&format=rss&priority=blocker&milestone=zenoss-2.0&order=priority
[16-May-2007 11:23:18] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss: Ticket Query (at dev.zenoss.org)
[16-May-2007 11:23:18] <chet> It lists the current blocking tickets for 2.0
[16-May-2007 11:27:43] <Bulwinkle> chet: Here is what I'm getting now in the event manager : - Code: 1 - Msg: General error
[16-May-2007 11:28:31] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'm getting something in the performance data now!
[16-May-2007 11:28:49] <chet> Paste up the zencommand run again.
[16-May-2007 11:31:22] <Bulwinkle> chet: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/62704
[16-May-2007 11:31:22] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[16-May-2007 11:32:54] <chet> That looks perfect.. except it should be "-D i" instead of "-D=i"
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[16-May-2007 11:37:04] <Bulwinkle> chet: it works (blink blink blink)..... now, how do I send alerts on the stuff?
[16-May-2007 11:37:45] <chet> If you setup the typical alerting rule to email everything Error or greater, you'll get these.
[16-May-2007 11:38:06] <Bulwinkle> chet: how does it know it is an error?
[16-May-2007 11:38:17] <Bulwinkle> now I have more questions than before
[16-May-2007 11:38:41] <chet> When you created the command you set the severity to warning. This is a little confusing with the Nagios plugins.
[16-May-2007 11:39:06] <chet> If you set the severity to Warning on the command, a Nagios WARNING will become a Zenoss Warning and a Nagios CRITICAL will become a Zenoss Error.
[16-May-2007 11:39:31] <chet> Basically if the plugin returns critical, it will escalate what you set the severity to by one degree.
[16-May-2007 11:39:50] <chet> That plugins will return critical if an interface is admin up/oper down
[16-May-2007 11:42:31] <Bulwinkle> Thats pretty cool! So I can get it to send out a email after the error is seen 5 consecutive times?
[16-May-2007 11:43:29] <chet> Yeah.. the escalate count will increment the severity one level once it sees the same event that number of times..
[16-May-2007 11:43:50] <chet> So if you wanted to do that, you'd set the severity to Info, and set the escalate count.
[16-May-2007 11:55:13] <Bulwinkle> chet: I noticed they are monitoring my loopback and null interfaces... How do I stop them from doing that by default for all of my Cisco devices?
[16-May-2007 11:58:12] <chet> Setup templates for those types "softwareLoopback" and "Other" with no data sources in them.
[16-May-2007 11:58:15] <chet> At the /Devices level.
[16-May-2007 11:59:04] <chet> Zenoss will by default try to apply the ethernetCsmacd template to interface types it doesn't know about. You stop this behavior by telling it about these interface types.
[16-May-2007 11:59:43] <chet> I had to add one for "ds1" too.
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[16-May-2007 12:05:12] <Bulwinkle> chet: coolio...
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[16-May-2007 12:15:34] <scott_> Hi, can the zenoss appliance run on vmware server?
[16-May-2007 12:18:53] <kompressor> scott_, yes ive tried it before
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[16-May-2007 12:21:08] <scott_> how easy is it to upgrade to new versions using the appliance version?
[16-May-2007 12:22:26] <Bulwinkle> chet: this new version seems to be doing pretty good... I'm going to let it gel for a while and see how it goes....
[16-May-2007 12:29:12] <kompressor> Bulwinkle, you mean 1.9.5?
[16-May-2007 12:29:21] <Bulwinkle> kompressor: yeah
[16-May-2007 12:30:02] <kompressor> ok ...but i think ill wait on 1.1.2 for now...
[16-May-2007 12:30:24] <kompressor> ill be trying to configure more stuff tomorrow...hope youll be here to assist
[16-May-2007 12:30:32] <kompressor> and chet also
[16-May-2007 12:30:37] <kompressor>
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[16-May-2007 13:25:31] <Bulwinkle> chet: you around? I having trouble adding devices....
[16-May-2007 13:25:38] <chet> yeah
[16-May-2007 13:42:03] <Bulwinkle> I'm having problems adding devices....
[16-May-2007 13:46:44] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'm having trouble adding devices....
[16-May-2007 13:49:30] <Bulwinkle> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 78, in processClient datamaps = plugin.process(device, results, log) File "/opt/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/RouteMap.py", line 61, in process om.routemask = self.maskToBits(om.routemask) AttributeError: 'ObjectMap' object has no attribute 'routemask'
[16-May-2007 13:49:34] <Bulwinkle> Ring a bell?
[16-May-2007 13:54:34] <chet> yeah.. I've had this happen on devices with broken routing mibs.. notably solaris.
[16-May-2007 13:54:47] <chet> What kind of system is yours?
[16-May-2007 13:57:03] <Bulwinkle> chet: Cisco Router
[16-May-2007 13:58:13] <chet> Strange.. none of my Ciscos have that problem. You can remove zenoss.snmp.RouteMap from the zCollectorPlugins to get around it.
[16-May-2007 13:59:32] <Bulwinkle> if I just keep on rescaning it, it works
[16-May-2007 14:04:08] <Bulwinkle> chet: its not pulling any of my interfaces on the first add
[16-May-2007 14:08:25] <chet> Which collector plugins do you have defined?
[16-May-2007 14:08:59] <chet> If it hits an exception anywhere along the line all of the results are lost.
[16-May-2007 14:09:12] <chet> So if it is hitting that routemask exception it won't add the interfaces it found.
[16-May-2007 14:12:53] <Bulwinkle> chet: where do I find my collector plugins?
[16-May-2007 14:13:10] <chet> In the zCollectorPlugins property.
[16-May-2007 14:14:15] <Bulwinkle> under where (I knew ehere it was in the old one)
[16-May-2007 14:14:39] <chet> For a device, More->zProperties. For a device class it is one of the tabs.
[16-May-2007 14:16:25] <Bulwinkle> Devices has: NewDeviceMap, DeviceMap, InterfaceMap, and RouteMap
[16-May-2007 14:17:03] <chet> Go the the device in question and see where it is inheriting it's zCollectorPlugins from.
[16-May-2007 14:17:22] <Bulwinkle> Device/Network/Router/Cisco has the above plus CiscoHSRP and CiscoMap
[16-May-2007 14:18:23] <Bulwinkle> looks like it is the same as Cisco (when I add a device I know is a cisco device I always specify /network/router/cisco
[16-May-2007 14:43:46] <giesen> hey
[16-May-2007 14:43:56] <giesen> is there any way to manually set the interface speed
[16-May-2007 14:44:01] <giesen> in zenoss for an interface
[16-May-2007 14:44:09] <giesen> rather than relying on what snmp tells it (it's misreporting)
[16-May-2007 14:49:42] <giesen> ie I want to change here.speed
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[16-May-2007 18:57:14] <Cireas> Hello
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[16-May-2007 18:57:49] <Cireas> Hello J-Bob
[16-May-2007 18:57:59] <J-Bob> Cireas: Hi!
[16-May-2007 19:00:19] <Cireas> is it possible to get baseboard-management infos with zenoss?
[16-May-2007 19:00:52] <J-Bob> Cireas: what is that?
[16-May-2007 19:01:32] <Cireas> this is the server management on e.g. Intel-Server-Boards.
[16-May-2007 19:02:09] <J-Bob> Cireas: is that information presented in SNMP?
[16-May-2007 19:02:12] <Cireas> Its for information from hardware (e.g. the speed of each fan, etc.)
[16-May-2007 19:02:23] <Cireas> THIS is my problem ,-)
[16-May-2007 19:03:24] <Cireas> I think I need a service that pushes the information of the ipmi or dmi to smnp ...
[16-May-2007 19:03:27] <J-Bob> Cireas: generally speaking how do you get at the info, with a proprietary console of some sort?
[16-May-2007 19:04:01] <Cireas> Yes. For example with the Intel-System-Manager
[16-May-2007 19:04:11] <J-Bob> Cireas: even it it writes to syslog or sends traps, you can alert on it
[16-May-2007 19:04:37] <Cireas> hehe ... i am thinking of windows-servers ;-)
[16-May-2007 19:04:53] <Cireas> In linux it is called lm-sensors ...
[16-May-2007 19:05:14] <J-Bob> Cireas: sounds like a cool project.
[16-May-2007 19:08:00] <Cireas> In linux it should be possible, because of the lm-sensors sources (http://lm-sensors.org), but in Windows it seems i must use Intel-System-Management :-( (never seen such big pile of dirt and complexity)
[16-May-2007 19:08:00] <adytum-bot> Title: lm-sensors - Trac (at lm-sensors.org)
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[16-May-2007 20:36:34] <giesen> i'm getting a zenping heartbeat failure all the time on my zenoss box
[16-May-2007 20:36:39] <giesen> any ideas how to correct it
[16-May-2007 20:46:53] <J-Bob> giesen: have you restarted zenping, then cleared the heartbeats on the event manager tab?
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[16-May-2007 21:07:15] <giesen> I just tried it now
[16-May-2007 21:07:21] <giesen> seems to have solved the problem
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[16-May-2007 21:10:19] <J-Bob> giesen: cool
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[17-May-2007 09:02:45] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: Hey..did you get your ifoperstatus plugin working or do you still need some guidance?
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[17-May-2007 10:59:43] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: got it working thanks!
[17-May-2007 11:04:53] <J-Bob> Wahoo!!!!
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[17-May-2007 11:18:07] <bensherman> Hi all!
[17-May-2007 11:18:16] <bensherman> My head is exploding with cacti and nagios.
[17-May-2007 11:18:28] <bensherman> Is zenoss a suitable replacement for both of those?
[17-May-2007 11:18:48] <bensherman> This package looks too perfect.
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[17-May-2007 11:25:57] <bzed> bensherman: it is,d efinitely
[17-May-2007 11:27:57] <bzed> bensherman: get the vmware image and give it a try
[17-May-2007 11:38:01] <bensherman> grr
[17-May-2007 11:38:07] <bensherman> I'm the only python advocate here.
[17-May-2007 11:38:17] <bensherman> At my office, I mean.
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[17-May-2007 11:40:12] <bzed> tell them it's php
[17-May-2007 11:40:21] <bzed> or show them how much php sucks
[17-May-2007 11:45:08] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: you still around? Apparently it isn't working the way I was hoping
[17-May-2007 11:45:56] <J-Bob> Bulwinkle: uh oh...
[17-May-2007 11:46:25] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: it was working great when all of my circuits were up
Now I have one down and it isn't reporting it as an error?[17-May-2007 11:48:15] <Bulwinkle> J-Bob: It shows as down when I run the zcommand run -v 10 --device=XXXX on the device with the circuit down... but it doesn't show up as an error
[17-May-2007 11:56:06] <bensherman> Can I configure zenoss to run a script an graph the result? A shell script that counts the number of occurances of "foo" in a text file for instance
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[17-May-2007 12:11:35] <bzed> bensherman: you can use nagios plugins or the zenoss plugins to feed zenoss. if you need a function which is not avaiable in then, jsut write your own one
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[17-May-2007 14:57:24] <Bulwinkle> any Zenoss gurus in the channel?
[17-May-2007 15:48:29] <foo> Just ask
[17-May-2007 15:50:54] <Bulwinkle> anyone know how the zSnmpCommunities string works in 1.9.5? In 1.1.x it used to use them in order to determine which one to use... Doesn't seem to do that in 1.9.5
[17-May-2007 16:01:14] <Bulwinkle> Can the modeler add two different devices at the same time?
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[17-May-2007 16:54:11] <sbb> Hi, in Zenoss 1.1.0, I'm polling everything via snmp every 60 seconds...is there any way to specify certain values only be polled every 5 min?...like disk space?
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[18-May-2007 08:53:56] <Bulwinkle> Does anyone have some settings I can use to improve performance of python and apache as it relates to Zenoss?
[18-May-2007 09:00:17] <iuso> are the {{{ }}} characters in this manual actually part of the command or just wiki formatting? http://community.zenoss.com/docs/zenoss-guide/PartIV/Chapter12/guidechapter_view
[18-May-2007 09:00:17] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[18-May-2007 09:05:53] <iuso> apparently it was just wiki formatting
[18-May-2007 09:06:10] <iuso> should be removed, if anyone here can edit those docs
[18-May-2007 09:08:38] <iuso> but i have a question: what's the correct formatting to include the event summary in the command? i have an SMS sender script, but 'echo ${event/summary} | sendsms' doesn't work. the command is otherwise OK, so apparently ${event/summary} isn't correct
[18-May-2007 09:09:04] <iuso> but what is the correct format then? the doc whose url i pasted is quite obscure
[18-May-2007 09:14:48] <iuso> if i put 'echo foo > /tmp/cmd' i get 'foo' in /tmp/cmd, but 'echo ${event/summary} > /tmp/foo' has no effect
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[18-May-2007 11:03:25] <Bulwinkle> Can someone point me to where to report a bug?
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[18-May-2007 11:46:35] <bzed> Bulwinkle: send a mail to zenoss-dev@zenoss.org
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[18-May-2007 14:27:58] <withoutend> Hello all
[18-May-2007 14:40:09] <withoutend> I have a quick question about Windows WMI
[18-May-2007 14:41:35] <withoutend> mostly: which ports do I need to keep open when I turn the firewall on
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[18-May-2007 14:58:19] <withoutend> anyone?
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[18-May-2007 15:08:19] <withoutend> ok. Well, how about getting a WMI failed 67 message?
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[18-May-2007 16:11:34] <Bulwinkle> man, 1.9.6 really hosed some of my stuff up, anyone here to help?
[18-May-2007 16:46:22] <Bulwinkle> Anyone here that can help loading in MIBS?
[18-May-2007 16:47:24] <_chris_> Bulwinkle: did you try to load them using zenmib?
[18-May-2007 16:48:06] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: yeah, I get a few skipping file the Failed to load mib /opt/zenoss/share/mibs/site/FILES
[18-May-2007 16:48:16] <_chris_> hmmm
[18-May-2007 16:48:18] <_chris_> no core dump tho?
[18-May-2007 16:48:45] <Bulwinkle> core dump?
[18-May-2007 16:48:48] <Bulwinkle> nah
[18-May-2007 16:48:49] <_chris_> ya -
[18-May-2007 16:48:51] <Bulwinkle> just errors
[18-May-2007 16:48:52] <_chris_> zenmib used to core dump
[18-May-2007 16:48:55] <_chris_> if there were mib files
[18-May-2007 16:48:58] <_chris_> that referenced other mib files
[18-May-2007 16:48:59] <_chris_> that didn't exist
[18-May-2007 16:49:07] <_chris_> cause zenmib used net-snmp's lib files to parse
[18-May-2007 16:49:19] <_chris_> and they'd crap out when mibs referenced mibs that didn't exist
[18-May-2007 16:49:54] <Bulwinkle> here is a pastebin http://pastebin.mozilla.org/65443
[18-May-2007 16:49:54] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[18-May-2007 16:50:17] <_chris_> ya -
[18-May-2007 16:50:20] <_chris_> that's what happens
[18-May-2007 16:50:33] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: shouldn't it work?
[18-May-2007 16:50:37] <_chris_> if you run the smidump -fpython -p "/opt/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf/RFC1213-MIB" -p ....
[18-May-2007 16:50:38] <_chris_> blah blah blah
[18-May-2007 16:50:42] <_chris_> i'll bet you'll SIGSEGV
[18-May-2007 16:50:45] <_chris_> try and run that command
[18-May-2007 16:50:52] <_chris_> but don't 2>& /dev/null
[18-May-2007 16:52:03] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: so, what do I do to get them loaded?
[18-May-2007 16:52:59] <_chris_> what i usually do in this situation
[18-May-2007 16:53:19] <_chris_> i try to use snmptranslate
[18-May-2007 16:53:43] <_chris_> use the -m argument
[18-May-2007 16:53:47] <_chris_> it's like -mALL
[18-May-2007 16:53:56] <_chris_> you might have to also pass -d/opt/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf
[18-May-2007 16:54:06] <_chris_> and try to translate some OIDS from the cisco mibs
[18-May-2007 16:54:21] <Bulwinkle> _chris_: so, there isn't an easy fix?
[18-May-2007 16:54:21] <_chris_> snmptranslate will warn you about: "hey CISCO-MIB is trying to import a non-existant mib"
[18-May-2007 16:54:24] <_chris_> find those other mibs
[18-May-2007 16:54:27] <_chris_> and that'll help
[18-May-2007 16:54:58] <Bulwinkle> Okie, I'll tackle it monday. Thanks for the help. Every have a great weekend!
[18-May-2007 16:55:05] <_chris_> you too!
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[18-May-2007 16:56:16] <_chris_> back to the jimi hendrix for me... ;-)
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[18-May-2007 17:29:32] <drv4doe> darkhorse: would be centriccrm darkhorse?
[18-May-2007 17:35:18] <drv4doe> j-bob?
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[18-May-2007 17:45:27] <drv4doe> buhbye
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[18-May-2007 20:06:38] <WolfeWLU> Anybody run into an issue with modeling a Solaris Zone where Zenoss tracebacks because it can't find a RouteMap?
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[20-May-2007 22:02:17] <Snake-Eyes> this is very strange i have this box which zenoss thinks is sending 400 mb of traffic even thou its 100mb network card, some how the amount of traffic throughput zenoss calutaltes for this seems to be at least 1000 off, yet its using the same templates as other machines.
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[21-May-2007 06:09:10] <iuso> how can i add the event summary as argument in an event command?
[21-May-2007 06:09:48] <iuso> i tried adding the command 'echo ${dev/manageIp} > /tmp/test' and it worked, but i don't know what the variable is for the event summary
[21-May-2007 06:10:04] <iuso> i tried with ${event/summary} but that does nothing
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[21-May-2007 12:57:37] <ke4qqq> hey guys, I am trying to setup a Zenoss beta 2 machine.....and would like to use a remote db server.....is that possible?
[21-May-2007 12:57:55] <ke4qqq> if so where do I tell it the location of the remote web server?
[21-May-2007 12:58:01] <ke4qqq> corr: remote db server
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[21-May-2007 14:26:05] <PY1NB> whats better? zenoss or nagios? why?
[21-May-2007 14:43:18] <pack> zenoss....cause you are in it's irc channel.
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[21-May-2007 15:38:09] <illsci> hey whats up
[21-May-2007 15:38:16] <illsci> does zenoss support snmpv3?
[21-May-2007 15:40:53] <illsci> ahhh ok
[21-May-2007 15:40:57] <illsci> 2.0 release..
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[21-May-2007 16:53:10] <bts3685|work> has anyone gotten zenoss on a debian system?
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[21-May-2007 17:24:57] <bzed> bts3685|work: we're working on debian packages for it
[21-May-2007 17:25:27] <bts3685|work> bzed: any idea when those will be ready? i'm trying to choose between groundworks and zenoss
[21-May-2007 17:25:28] <bzed> bts3685|work: there's a howto in the forum on how to install it with as many avaiable packages as possible, wanna have a link?
[21-May-2007 17:26:00] <bzed> bts3685|work: as it seems we're trying to get them finished during the debcamp/debconf in june
[21-May-2007 17:26:19] <bzed> we spent most of the time with dependencies until now
[21-May-2007 17:26:29] <bts3685|work> oh wow! that's great news, bzed!
[21-May-2007 17:27:01] <bts3685|work> bzed: a link would be great if it's not too much trouble
[21-May-2007 17:27:26] <bzed> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1551&highlight=
[21-May-2007 17:27:26] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Installing on Debian etch using mostly native packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[21-May-2007 17:27:33] <bzed> you'll ahve to find a way to upgrade from that to debian packages though
[21-May-2007 17:27:49] <bzed> we'll not support such installations with the debian packages
[21-May-2007 17:27:55] <bzed> but I guess it's enough to try it out
[21-May-2007 17:27:59] <bzed> or just use the vmware image
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[21-May-2007 17:29:03] <bts3685|work>
thanks. yeah, we're mainly concerned with learning the system before we implement it. i'll forward this irc session to my partner. looks great! you've been a big help, it's been a pleasure[21-May-2007 17:29:17] <grew> can anyone point me to a guide as to how to configure zensyslog to write logfiles in /var/log as described in http://community.zenoss.com/docs/howtos/syslog-overview
[21-May-2007 17:29:17] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
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[21-May-2007 17:29:17] <grew> i cant seem to find documentation on zensyslog anywhere
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[21-May-2007 17:31:23] <lst> is there documentation somewhere for the xmlrpc interfaces?
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[21-May-2007 17:51:32] <illsci> i run zenoss on debian....
[21-May-2007 17:56:09] <bzed> illsci: how did you isntall it?
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[21-May-2007 18:08:37] <lst> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/browser/trunk/Products/ZenHub/XmlRpcService.py
[21-May-2007 18:08:37] <adytum-bot> Title: /trunk/Products/ZenHub/XmlRpcService.py - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[21-May-2007 18:08:37] <lst> fyi.
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[21-May-2007 19:21:42] <py1nb_on_shack> what is the default user password for a fresh rpm install?
[21-May-2007 19:28:14] <py1nb_on_shack> heloooo
[21-May-2007 19:28:59] <bzed> i think admin - zenoss
[21-May-2007 19:29:33] <py1nb_on_shack> cool! great success!
[21-May-2007 19:32:31] <py1nb_on_shack> bzed: is there any google maps integration with zenoss?
[21-May-2007 19:32:46] <bzed> not as far as I know
[21-May-2007 19:32:58] <py1nb_on_shack> ;(
[21-May-2007 19:33:02] <py1nb_on_shack> that would be cool
[21-May-2007 19:37:44] <bzed> py1nb_on_shack: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/1543
[21-May-2007 19:37:44] <adytum-bot> Title: #1543 (google maps integration - where the hell is my machine/network/....?) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[21-May-2007 19:40:57] <py1nb_on_shack> tnx
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[21-May-2007 19:41:54] <py1nb_on_shack> bzed: I was starting to deploy nagios here, but then zenosss came across
[21-May-2007 19:42:00] <py1nb_on_shack> seems rather nice
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[21-May-2007 19:45:09] <bzed> py1nb_on_shack: much more nice than nagios. nagios is pain in the ass
[21-May-2007 19:48:13] <py1nb_on_shack> I agree so far
[21-May-2007 19:48:44] <py1nb_on_shack> where does bzed stores data? all in mysql? can I add devices for it monitor remotely?
[21-May-2007 19:48:54] <py1nb_on_shack> ops, where does zenoss...
[21-May-2007 19:50:33] <bzed> afaik mysql is only used to store events
[21-May-2007 19:50:53] <bzed> and afaik one of those little tools is able to add devices via command line, but I'm not sure
[21-May-2007 19:51:23] <bzed> didn;t have the time to play with it, spent it all on packaging it for debian
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[21-May-2007 19:57:04] <py1nb_on_shack> ok
[21-May-2007 20:00:33] <py1nb_on_shack> does it generate graphs to devices per default? or do I need to tell zenoss to do it?
[21-May-2007 20:03:05] <bzed> i thinkit graphs everythign it knows about
[21-May-2007 20:03:16] <bzed> for unknown devices you need to add mibs and probably templates
[21-May-2007 20:04:59] <py1nb_on_shack> ok
[21-May-2007 20:05:28] <py1nb_on_shack> does it auto discover devices?
[21-May-2007 20:05:51] <bzed> yes
[21-May-2007 20:06:05] <bzed> you can enable that somewhere I think, or use zendisc or however the tool was called
[21-May-2007 20:06:15] <bzed> that stuff changed between 1.1 and the 2.0 beta
[21-May-2007 20:06:25] <bzed> you wanna test the 2.0 beta if you're not in a hurry btw
[21-May-2007 20:08:42] <py1nb_on_shack> I am, I need to deply this quickly.
[21-May-2007 20:11:36] <bzed> i guess there'll be an upgrade path when 2.0 is out
[21-May-2007 20:12:06] <py1nb_on_shack> that would be cool, so job wouldnt be lost
[21-May-2007 20:12:23] <py1nb_on_shack> so far it seems fantastic
[21-May-2007 20:13:15] <bzed> that's why we're packaging it for debian
[21-May-2007 20:13:19] <bzed> which is a TON of work
[21-May-2007 20:13:47] <bzed> but the zenos dev team is fantastic, they fix all problems we find in a very short time
[21-May-2007 20:14:37] <bzed> although I sometimes thought they'd now start to hate me after sending a blocking ticket for 2.0, the reaction was like: yes, you're absolutely right... and a few hours later... fixed
[21-May-2007 20:16:24] <py1nb_on_shack> thats fantastic
[21-May-2007 20:16:38] <py1nb_on_shack> can I add a host whic doesnt have snmp?
[21-May-2007 20:16:54] <bzed> you can use the zenoss plugins or the nagios plugins
[21-May-2007 20:17:20] <bzed> if you need to have remote agents sitting in some remote, probably nat-ted networks, you'll have to look into 2.0
[21-May-2007 20:17:46] <bzed> but the zenoss and nagios plugins work well, there's a howto in the wiki on how to set them up properly
[21-May-2007 20:17:59] <py1nb_on_shack> ok
[21-May-2007 20:18:19] <py1nb_on_shack> I would just like to check if a given host would answer on certain tcp port
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[21-May-2007 20:19:34] <bzed> py1nb_on_shack: that's something the nagios plugins should be capable to to, probably the zenoss plugins, too
[21-May-2007 20:19:57] <bzed> in the worst case it's plain easy to write a plugin
[21-May-2007 20:22:51] <py1nb_on_shack> how do I enable/load the plugin?
[21-May-2007 20:25:03] <bzed> no clue, read the wiki please
[21-May-2007 20:25:18] <py1nb_on_shack> ok
[21-May-2007 20:26:33] <bzed> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate
[21-May-2007 20:26:33] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToNagiosCreateTemplate - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[21-May-2007 20:29:11] <py1nb_on_shack> I see that there is a check_tcp script laying there on libexec
[21-May-2007 20:30:06] <bzed> i think that's a nagios plugin
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[21-May-2007 20:35:45] <py1nb_on_shack> hmmm I added the thing, cant find how to associate it to a given host
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[21-May-2007 20:38:11] <py1nb_on_shack> well, I will check this tomorrow, so far, so good!
[21-May-2007 20:40:41] <py1nb_on_shack> bzed, can you suggest those guys something? the ability to store information about devices, like "captains log". In such way that the information would be tied to the ipaddress and to the mac (in case one device has its ip changed, moved to another location, etc?)
[21-May-2007 20:46:11] <bzed> py1nb_on_shack: please do me a favour and mail those wishes at zenoss-dev@zenoss.org or at my addy bernd@bzed.de - what ever you prefer. I need to get up in 4.5 hours :|
[21-May-2007 20:46:13] <bzed> n8n8
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[21-May-2007 22:15:55] <illsci> hey when is 2.0 comming out?
[21-May-2007 22:46:19] <illsci> anyone alive? how can i verify that zenoss is working correctly.... I am trying to add my first device and the Discovery Protocol drop down only has snmp and none, there is no portscan or ssh and also the device class path has only /
[21-May-2007 22:46:35] <illsci> is this not connected to a database or soemthing.... what causes this..
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[22-May-2007 05:34:32] <monrad_> anyone played around with the new rrdtool code?
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[22-May-2007 05:58:22] <xinit> hi!
[22-May-2007 05:58:56] <xinit> I'm checking out the 2.0 beta, but for some reason IP services don't appear for a device I added. Have they been moved?
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[22-May-2007 06:32:40] <pressureman> hi, i've seen some discussion on one of the lists about debian/ubuntu packages. are there any betas of these kicking around yet?
[22-May-2007 06:34:46] <foo> pressureman: hm, I just installed from source on ubuntu recently. Didn't have any issues, hmph
[22-May-2007 06:35:37] <pressureman> foo: thanks, will do so if we decide to use seriously. will take a nosey at the vm for now...
[22-May-2007 06:36:07] <pressureman> would be nice to see it packaged as a .deb at some point however
[22-May-2007 06:36:09] <foo> pressureman: hm, nice. I'm testing it myself. I've seen it live in person, heard talks on it... so I'm probably going to move to it.
[22-May-2007 06:36:16] <foo> pressureman: Definitely, I think the package is still growing.
[22-May-2007 06:36:19] <foo> I mean, project
[22-May-2007 06:36:26] <foo> Hm, aren't they always... hehe
[22-May-2007 06:36:53] <pressureman> we're using a commercial, win32 solution called hostmon at present, which i and a few of the other engineers are not that impressed with.
[22-May-2007 06:37:19] <pressureman> no network baselines, no sla reports... it's either not capable of them, or they so hard to set up that nobody has bothered
[22-May-2007 06:37:40] <foo> hm, "commercial win30 solution" is enough to deter me
[22-May-2007 06:37:50] <foo>
[22-May-2007 06:37:54] <foo> We're currently on nagios
[22-May-2007 06:37:56] <pressureman> heh... legacy stuff
[22-May-2007 06:38:04] <pressureman> ah, yes i've used nagios before
[22-May-2007 06:38:20] <pressureman> i think i just about wore out a keyboard configuring it
[22-May-2007 06:38:24] <foo>
[22-May-2007 06:38:49] <pressureman> i have memories of needing to restart it a lot whenever making changes
[22-May-2007 06:39:14] <foo> hmm, yeah. That's not too bad, though, I don't think
[22-May-2007 06:39:32] <pressureman> we're looking at both zabbix and zenoss... althought just the fact that zenoss is python is an advantage, imho
[22-May-2007 06:39:33] <foo> I guess my main reason for zenoss is the easy web interface (I can do configs, but time is precious), and graphing abilities
[22-May-2007 06:40:00] <foo> Not to mention, nagios has a bigger learning curve than zenoss
[22-May-2007 06:40:02] <pressureman> i've used mrtg waaay back, and cacti more recently
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[22-May-2007 06:40:33] <foo> Hm, even though I'm close to knowing how to do most of what it has to offer... still some quirks I can't seem to get around
[22-May-2007 06:40:33] <foo> ah, I see
[22-May-2007 06:40:33] <foo> Nice
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[22-May-2007 06:40:44] <pressureman> i configured nagios to monitor quite a large number of hosts, but it's a lot of work to set up
[22-May-2007 06:41:15] <pressureman> would be nice to just point something at an snmp-enabled host, maybe supply a mib, and have it do an snmpwalk, then ask me what i want to monitor
[22-May-2007 06:41:39] <foo> mhmm, nice
[22-May-2007 06:41:44] <pressureman> monitoring custom oids in cacti is a "wtf?" moment....
[22-May-2007 06:41:49] <foo> haha
[22-May-2007 06:42:01] <foo> Hm, I'm not too familiar with the snmp stuff.
[22-May-2007 06:42:09] <pressureman> you can't just feed it a mib. you have to reinvent the wheel and program the oids into cacti, so it can build an xml template
[22-May-2007 06:42:22] <foo> I've always done active checks, and passive checks (nrpe / nsca)
[22-May-2007 06:42:52] <foo> Hm, that sounds laborous
[22-May-2007 06:43:08] <pressureman> yeah, most of our snmp stuff is active polling too... although hostmon uses it's own agent, which probably has flakey security
[22-May-2007 06:43:54] <pressureman> i'm trying to educate my colleagues that we need to set up more snmp traps, so we get instant notification of a failure, not have to wait for the next poll
[22-May-2007 06:44:52] <pressureman> half the guys didn't even know what snmp was until i explained it to them.... too used to running proprietary solutions with closed source, proprietary agents
[22-May-2007 06:45:12] <foo> ah
[22-May-2007 06:45:21] * foo needs to read up on snmp
[22-May-2007 06:45:22] <pressureman> i'm slowly convincing them that open standards are a Good Thing
[22-May-2007 06:45:28] <foo> I've heard about it, a ton, but never really understood it
[22-May-2007 06:45:30] <foo>
[22-May-2007 06:45:55] * foo congratulates pressureman
[22-May-2007 06:46:11] <pressureman> you should read up about it... it's a pretty big piece of the puzzle for network management
[22-May-2007 06:46:44] <foo> Yeah, that's what I thought
[22-May-2007 06:47:12] <pressureman> well, i've downloaded the beta vm... will have a play with it tomorrow, and probably drop by here again in the near future
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[22-May-2007 07:12:52] <xinit> aha
[22-May-2007 07:12:57] <xinit> got the ip services
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[22-May-2007 07:22:36] <foo> nice
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[22-May-2007 08:10:14] <PY1NB> hi there
[22-May-2007 08:10:16] <PY1NB> hi bzed
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[22-May-2007 08:28:01] <xinit> I configured a couple of http services
[22-May-2007 08:28:11] <xinit> I disable them and get a critical event
[22-May-2007 08:28:12] <xinit> that's ok
[22-May-2007 08:28:38] <xinit> but when I enable the services again, I see normal traffic (using tcpdump), but zenoss doesn't see that the service is up again
[22-May-2007 08:28:58] <xinit> events keep on counting
[22-May-2007 08:29:22] <xinit> or am I doing something wrong
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[22-May-2007 08:30:34] <illsci> morning
[22-May-2007 08:31:19] <xinit> and where are the device definitions stored? they're not in the database right?
[22-May-2007 08:38:28] <xinit> strange..
[22-May-2007 08:38:36] <xinit> services don't come up again
[22-May-2007 08:38:50] <xinit> although I see zenoss making a succesful tcp connection
[22-May-2007 08:43:08] <xinit> next to that, if I want to do a REST call, http://admin:zenoss@myhost/blahblah still gives me the login form
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[22-May-2007 08:43:20] <xinit> ?
[22-May-2007 08:47:55] <illsci> If you have zenoss setup but you don't see any default classes.... all I see is / is that normal?
[22-May-2007 08:48:08] <illsci> isn't there a bunch of default class's like /Network /Linux and stuff....
[22-May-2007 08:48:15] <illsci> if I dont get those what am I missing...
[22-May-2007 08:53:11] <illsci> oh wow.... zenoss is headquartered in annapolis?
[22-May-2007 08:53:33] <illsci> that's sweet
[22-May-2007 08:54:43] <xinit> mhh
[22-May-2007 08:55:03] <xinit> and where do the custom views go in the 2.0 beta2?
[22-May-2007 08:56:10] <illsci> hey are any of the zenoss guys in here?
[22-May-2007 08:56:45] <PY1NB> how far are we from 2.0?
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[22-May-2007 09:00:00] <xinit> ah
[22-May-2007 09:00:06] <xinit> I should use the zope interface, right?
[22-May-2007 09:04:22] <illsci> such a small world
[22-May-2007 09:16:56] <xinit> man
[22-May-2007 09:17:01] <xinit> docs of zenoss suck
[22-May-2007 09:17:08] <xinit> try to make a simple dashboard
[22-May-2007 09:17:13] <xinit> but I failed
[22-May-2007 09:26:27] <xinit> no developers online?
[22-May-2007 09:27:34] <xinit> getSimpleDashboardInfo gives me the correct hosts
[22-May-2007 09:27:40] <xinit> but the view doesn't work
[22-May-2007 09:27:47] <xinit> next to that, I still need to login
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[22-May-2007 09:58:03] <xinit> man
[22-May-2007 09:58:05] <xinit> got it
[22-May-2007 09:58:42] <xinit> code is just buggy
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[22-May-2007 11:39:18] <giesen> are the lights on the interface list supposed to update dynamically?
[22-May-2007 11:39:38] <giesen> they don't seem to update unless you recollect configuration
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[22-May-2007 11:45:58] <jakehow> hey guys, so are there hardware requirements guidelines for zenoss?
[22-May-2007 11:46:22] <giesen> lots of ram.
[22-May-2007 11:46:27] <giesen> 1 GB minimum
[22-May-2007 11:48:15] <jakehow> giesen: does it eat more ram as you ad more monitors?
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[22-May-2007 11:58:45] <giesen> somewhat
[22-May-2007 11:58:50] <giesen> but it's the baseload that's pretty high
[22-May-2007 11:58:58] <giesen> as you add more monitors, it starts eating more into cpu than memory
[22-May-2007 11:59:10] <giesen> the thing will use almost 500 MB without any monitors
[22-May-2007 11:59:25] <giesen> the nagios plugins really gobble up CPU
[22-May-2007 11:59:52] <giesen> but if you have the choice between memory and CPU, go for memory every time
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[22-May-2007 13:44:13] <zor0> I'm having trouble getting a nagios plugin to run, but I think I can debug it once I get zenoss to run the thing
[22-May-2007 13:44:39] <zor0> I have it set as a data collector in the devices class and in the device itself, but it doesn't work, and the logs don't show it being run at all
[22-May-2007 13:45:06] <zor0> how many different settings can affect which plugins do and don't run at collection?
[22-May-2007 13:47:26] <zor0> is there anyone in here who isn't AFK?
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[22-May-2007 15:33:55] <giesen> zor0: does it work if you run the command manually?
[22-May-2007 15:36:04] <zor0> giesen: yes, its not a real plugin even, its just a script that logs its input, writes '7' to STDOUT, and gives an exit code of 1
[22-May-2007 15:36:18] <zor0> Its just intended to see if I can make zenoss run anything
[22-May-2007 15:36:35] <zor0> and it does run correctly when I run it as the zenoss user from the command line
[22-May-2007 15:37:21] <zor0> eventually I'm going to be implimenting my own data collectors, and I don't have any standard nagios ones that I want to use, so I just wrote a quck prototype
[22-May-2007 15:41:09] <zor0> giesen: are you there?
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[22-May-2007 15:42:13] <PY1NB> hi there
[22-May-2007 15:42:15] <PY1NB> hi bzed
[22-May-2007 15:50:23] <PY1NB> how far are we from zenoss 2.0?
[22-May-2007 15:52:26] <enots> one digit =)
[22-May-2007 15:56:09] <PY1NB> days? years?
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[22-May-2007 19:49:40] <zor0> I'm having trouble setting up zenoss, there seems to be a major lack of documentation
[22-May-2007 19:50:01] <zor0> can anyone here tell me more about how the command line plugin system works for nagios style data collectors?
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[22-May-2007 20:18:35] <omar> hi
[22-May-2007 20:18:51] <omar> I added a 3660 router and want to know if it's possible to make that a user be able to see only one vlan.
[22-May-2007 20:18:53] <omar> For example,I detect some vlans like:
[22-May-2007 20:18:54] <omar> /Devices /Network /Router/Cisco/MPSNet3660IE/os /Fa0_1.6
[22-May-2007 20:18:56] <omar> How can I make that user "oarmas" be able to see only this interface?
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[22-May-2007 22:55:20] <giesen> anyone still alive?
[22-May-2007 22:55:39] <giesen> I need to know how to use the zcommand username/password in a command template
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[22-May-2007 23:15:42] * giesen kicks the crap out of his zenoss box with even more nagios plugins
[22-May-2007 23:17:11] <foo> giesen:
[22-May-2007 23:17:33] <giesen> the damn thing is running full bore and cant keep up
[22-May-2007 23:18:12] <giesen> I just hacked up some ugly expect scripts
[22-May-2007 23:18:19] <giesen> to get a bgp prefix count out of a router
[22-May-2007 23:19:24] <giesen> and wrapped them in a nagios-compliant perl wrapper
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[23-May-2007 05:10:54] <xinit> any developers here?
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[23-May-2007 05:37:17] <xinit> where can I set check_http in the 2.0 beta for different machines?
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[23-May-2007 06:48:33] <xinit> mhh
[23-May-2007 06:48:44] <xinit> what's zen.Zenstatus: iteration of non-sequence?
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[23-May-2007 08:29:02] <PY1NB> hi hi
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[23-May-2007 09:29:37] <bkingx> Let me ask a dumb question:
[23-May-2007 09:29:51] <bkingx> I just installed, what is the url to open zenoss?
[23-May-2007 09:30:40] <iuso> hostname:8080
[23-May-2007 09:31:02] <bkingx> I do that and get the generic zope page
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[23-May-2007 09:56:36] <sdunn> I usually use hostname:8080/zport/dmd
[23-May-2007 09:56:55] <sdunn> Not sure if that's what you're looking for...
[23-May-2007 09:58:18] <bkingx> sdunn: I think that is.
[23-May-2007 09:58:34] <bkingx> I am going to try a fresh install from scratch and see if it works any better.
[23-May-2007 09:59:14] <bkingx> BTW, installing on Ubuntu Fiesty running on a MAC.
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[23-May-2007 10:42:20] <giesen> bkingx: how old is the version you're using
[23-May-2007 10:42:31] <giesen> you shouldnt have had to specify /zport/dmd for quite a few releases now
[23-May-2007 10:43:05] <bkingx> I believe it was 1.9? I am doing a fresh install from svn right now.
[23-May-2007 10:43:16] <giesen> oh you're trying the betas
[23-May-2007 10:43:18] <bkingx> Installation is going smooth.
[23-May-2007 10:43:30] <bkingx> I digress....I think it was 1.1
[23-May-2007 10:43:41] <giesen> hrm
[23-May-2007 10:43:49] <giesen> I feel so dirty
[23-May-2007 10:44:00] <giesen> I'm pulling prefix counts from my routers with expect scripts
[23-May-2007 10:44:02] <bkingx> LOL... how come?
[23-May-2007 10:44:17] <bkingx> Ah!
[23-May-2007 10:44:26] <bkingx> This is a fantastic app!
[23-May-2007 10:44:35] <giesen> yes it is
[23-May-2007 10:44:50] <giesen> just don't go nuts with the nagios plugins like I do =)
[23-May-2007 10:44:53] <bkingx> I am running the VM version on my local machine while doing a parallel install on the server.
[23-May-2007 10:45:01] <giesen> otherwise you'll need gobs of ram and CPU
[23-May-2007 10:45:09] <bkingx> Naw...I just need basic ping, for the most part.
[23-May-2007 10:45:25] <giesen> I like to graph *everything*
[23-May-2007 10:45:32] <giesen> I'm a graph whore
[23-May-2007 10:47:40] <bkingx> I just found nagios WAY to convoluted.
[23-May-2007 10:48:29] <giesen> well zenoss certainly has its quirks
[23-May-2007 10:48:37] <giesen> but the fact it actually has a decent appreciation of SNMP is nice
[23-May-2007 10:48:45] <giesen> and the ability to use nagios plugins is pimp too
[23-May-2007 10:48:58] <giesen> to do stuff that cant be done via SNMP
[23-May-2007 10:49:02] <bkingx> yes sir!
[23-May-2007 10:49:16] <giesen> for example, grabbing prefix counts off my router =)
[23-May-2007 10:51:19] <bzed> if you don;t like the nagios plugins, enhance the zenoss plugins instead
[23-May-2007 10:54:15] <giesen> I like them
[23-May-2007 10:54:21] <giesen> they're just a bit of a pig =)
[23-May-2007 10:55:00] <giesen> part of the problem is I'm doing ping graphing to like 70 hosts
[23-May-2007 10:55:18] <giesen> which when the new ping graphing stuff comes out, I can do away with the nagios plugins for those
[23-May-2007 10:56:07] <giesen> and the zenoss plugins run on the host you're monitoring, do they not?
[23-May-2007 10:56:16] <giesen> most of my nagios plugins run locally
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[23-May-2007 11:00:07] <bzed> yeah, afaik they run on the host
[23-May-2007 11:00:12] <giesen> yeah
[23-May-2007 11:00:22] <giesen> that doesn't help me for 99% of stuff unfortunately
[23-May-2007 11:00:31] <bzed> but you could run them on any host, just code it as you like it
[23-May-2007 11:00:39] <bzed> imho they should be a bit more plugin-like
[23-May-2007 11:00:47] <bzed> too much in one file at the moment
[23-May-2007 11:01:05] <bzed> when the debian packages for zenoss are ready, I'll look into that
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[23-May-2007 11:22:40] <zor0> I have a question about PerfConf templates
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[23-May-2007 11:24:26] <zor0> I have a template set up in my device tree, and that device tree object has one device, which is still inheriting the default "Device" template instead of my custom one
[23-May-2007 11:24:49] <zor0> acording to the Zenoss Administration guide, the template that is "closest" to the device will be used, whats going on?
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[23-May-2007 11:41:40] <jenocin> hey people, I'm on suse 10.2, seem to be hitting a common problem, just can't find the answer out on the web, i'm getting the following message when I go to install: /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/local/zenoss/bin/mkzopeinstance.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
[23-May-2007 11:45:10] <zor0> jenocin: are you running it as the zenoss user?
[23-May-2007 11:51:50] <jenocin> zor0: yeah, made it a system user, is that ok?
[23-May-2007 11:52:05] <jenocin> then did a sudo -u zenoss ./install.sh
[23-May-2007 11:54:24] <zor0> well, thats right, if the installer is unpacking the files correctly and the permissions are right, I don't know what to tell you
[23-May-2007 11:54:41] <zor0> I installed on a debian 3.1 box with no problems
[23-May-2007 11:54:52] <zor0> from source actually
[23-May-2007 11:55:01] <jenocin> i was scanning the web and its come up before, just not sure, it like the mkzopeinstance.py is not being created
[23-May-2007 11:55:02] <zor0> are you using a packaged version of zenoss?
[23-May-2007 11:55:06] <bkingx> What is the typical install time for Zenoss? Seems to take a long time! About 30-45 minutes.
[23-May-2007 11:55:08] <jenocin> nope, tarball
[23-May-2007 11:55:18] <zor0> hm, alright
[23-May-2007 11:55:30] <jenocin> had to recomple, on a x86_64 box
[23-May-2007 11:55:35] <zor0> what version are you running? is it a bleeding edge svn copy or something?
[23-May-2007 11:55:37] <bkingx> granted, small cpu and only 768MB RAM
[23-May-2007 11:56:03] <zor0> bkingx: yeah, install time is high, and installing is a pain, but thats source installs in general for ya
[23-May-2007 11:56:39] <jenocin> zenoss-1.1.2.tar.gz
[23-May-2007 11:56:42] <zor0> bkingx: set up webgui once, thats fun
, one source install that loads apache2, mysql, perl, and a huge pile of cgis[23-May-2007 11:57:03] <bkingx> OK...just making sure I wasn't doing anything wrong.
[23-May-2007 11:57:04] <zor0> jenocin: yeah, thats the same version I'm running, sorry I can't help much
[23-May-2007 11:57:29] <zor0> maybe look for that file, see if its being installed in the wrong place or with some bizare permissions
[23-May-2007 11:57:56] <jenocin> cool, i'll check it out, recreating the user and dirs now just to make sure everything is right
[23-May-2007 11:58:12] <jenocin> does anything in the env need to be set ahead of time
[23-May-2007 11:58:56] <zor0> yeah, follow the source install guide
[23-May-2007 11:59:14] <zor0> theres a few things you'll need to add to the zenoss users .profile or .bash_rc or somewhere they'll be loaded
[23-May-2007 11:59:29] <zor0> $ZENHOME and a few others
[23-May-2007 11:59:30] <jenocin> got a link for the guide
[23-May-2007 11:59:44] <jenocin> yeah I added those, but recreating everything again to be on the safe side
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[23-May-2007 12:00:12] <thehawk> hello
[23-May-2007 12:00:37] <thehawk> i am trying to install zenoss on centos 5.0 and we are having some issues...do you know if centos 5 is supported ?
[23-May-2007 12:04:39] <thehawk> hello...is this an active channel?
[23-May-2007 12:06:12] <bkingx> It IS active
[23-May-2007 12:06:53] <bkingx> thehawk: I do not know, but if someone else here does, I am sure they will speak up.
[23-May-2007 12:07:12] <thehawk>
[23-May-2007 12:07:15] <thehawk> sounds good...thanks
[23-May-2007 12:07:21] <bkingx> NP!
[23-May-2007 12:07:54] <zor0> hey, can someone here help me figure out why my device is using the wrong RRD Template?
[23-May-2007 12:11:33] <jenocin> hey, wheres the doc with the environment variables on a manual install?
[23-May-2007 12:12:04] <zor0> ok, so, this ISNT an active channel?
[23-May-2007 12:12:31] <zor0> jenocin: it should be a section in the source install guide
[23-May-2007 12:12:43] <zor0> I already spent 2 days digging through all those details
[23-May-2007 12:13:00] <zor0> zenoss looks great but its going to be a phenominal pain in the ass to use until the documentation catches up
[23-May-2007 12:13:19] <zor0> but thats 2.0
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[23-May-2007 12:28:56] <omarmx> I added a 3660 router and want to know if it's possible to make that a user be able to see only one vlan.
[23-May-2007 12:28:58] <omarmx> For example,I detect some vlans like:
[23-May-2007 12:29:00] <omarmx> "/Devices /Network /Router/Cisco/MPSNet3660IE/os /Fa0_1.6"
[23-May-2007 12:29:01] <omarmx> How can I make that user "oarmas" be able to see only this interface?
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[23-May-2007 12:43:10] <jenocin> nope still can't find mkzopeinstance.py with the installer, going to try and install zope and copy it over from that directory
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[23-May-2007 12:45:51] <jenocin> will python 2.5 be ok with the install, maybe thats were the problem is
[23-May-2007 12:51:18] <bkingx> I've heard it needs to be python2.4
[23-May-2007 12:51:29] <zor0> yeah, 2.5 doesn't work for some reason
[23-May-2007 13:01:11] <jenocin> trying the svn version
[23-May-2007 13:13:57] <bkingx> OK...looks like I might have it installed successfully now.
[23-May-2007 13:14:57] <bkingx> after messing with mysql for a bit, realized it wasn't running during the install, DUH!!
[23-May-2007 13:15:11] <bkingx> Then standard install from svn went smooth.
[23-May-2007 13:15:32] <bkingx> made sure that no password was set for mysql user root
[23-May-2007 13:15:50] <bkingx> That seemed to be the ticket.
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[23-May-2007 13:42:07] <bkingx> Zenoss 1.9 is SOOOO Sexy!
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[23-May-2007 14:02:14] <illsci> heh... does it have snmpv3 in it?
[23-May-2007 14:05:07] <bkingx> Don't know.
[23-May-2007 14:05:13] <bkingx> Where can I find that?
[23-May-2007 14:05:55] <illsci> im not sure... i have 1.1? installed and it uses snmpv1... which uses community strings...
[23-May-2007 14:06:20] <illsci> for snmpv3 you would have to have a user and password and possibly passphrase
[23-May-2007 14:07:26] <bkingx> Ah...it appears 1.1 by default.
[23-May-2007 14:08:53] <monrad> i dont think snmp version 3 yet
[23-May-2007 14:09:06] <monrad> damn i am too tired to write
[23-May-2007 14:09:27] <monrad> i dont think version 2 has snmp version 3 yet
[23-May-2007 14:16:15] <bkingx> I'm prob gonna be sorry for installing 1.9
[23-May-2007 14:16:29] <bkingx> Most people seem to be on 1.1
[23-May-2007 14:18:29] <monrad> 2.0 should be release soon (tm)
[23-May-2007 14:19:15] <monrad> yesterday according to the roadmap
[23-May-2007 14:24:51] <bkingx> I was referring more to help.
[23-May-2007 14:25:06] <bkingx> Seems to be easier when other people are on the same platform/version.
[23-May-2007 14:38:12] <sbellows> is there an updated timetable for the 2.0 release?
[23-May-2007 14:52:24] <bkingx> I know snmp is enabled and installed on a windows server (zenoss in the VM saw it fine), but now it seems I can't search an snmp device. Any thoughts?
[23-May-2007 15:03:57] <bkingx> Does this help: snmpwalk: Error building ASN.1 representation (Can't build OID for variable)
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[23-May-2007 15:19:58] <illsci> what snmpwalk command did you use
[23-May-2007 15:25:07] <bkingx> I tried: snmpwalk -v1 -c public <ipaddress> system
[23-May-2007 15:25:32] <bkingx> obviously replacing ipaddress with the correct one.
[23-May-2007 15:26:02] <illsci> maybe you're not allowed to run the command from where you're running it
[23-May-2007 15:26:16] <bkingx> yup works fine with the 1.1.1 version from the Virtual Machine image.
[23-May-2007 15:26:21] <illsci> com2sec lines... i think for v1
[23-May-2007 15:26:48] <bkingx> com2sec?
[23-May-2007 15:27:01] <illsci> oh this is windows...
[23-May-2007 15:27:08] <illsci> im not sure how its configured on windows
[23-May-2007 15:27:11] <bkingx> nope...Linux
[23-May-2007 15:27:22] <illsci> # sec.name source community
[23-May-2007 15:27:22] <illsci> #com2sec localsec localhost private
[23-May-2007 15:27:25] <illsci> something like t hat...
[23-May-2007 15:27:34] <illsci> instead of localhost you can have any prefix
[23-May-2007 15:27:43] <bkingx> Oh...OK.
[23-May-2007 15:28:06] <bkingx> I'm gonna downgrade to 1.1.2 to see if it fixes the problem.
[23-May-2007 15:28:24] <illsci> i would just try and run snmp and get it to work sucessfully...
[23-May-2007 15:28:33] <illsci> with snmpwalk from the command line
[23-May-2007 15:28:49] <bkingx> btw...that command work fine for a Netopia router I configured.
[23-May-2007 15:29:27] <bkingx> But it is wierd it will work fine for the Netopia, but for no other devices even when I know snmp is working fine for those.
[23-May-2007 15:29:53] <illsci> you have to configure the snmp agent on the device
[23-May-2007 15:30:01] <bkingx> Yup...already did.
[23-May-2007 15:30:02] <illsci> netopia... cisco router... whatever
[23-May-2007 15:30:24] <bkingx> Like I said, works fine from the 1.1.1 VM image, but not from the local install.
[23-May-2007 15:30:25] <illsci> if you can run snmpwalk against that box from the host you are running zenoss... zenoss should have no problem doing the same
[23-May-2007 15:30:40] <illsci> does the vm image have a different ip address
[23-May-2007 15:30:45] <illsci> than the local install
[23-May-2007 15:30:46] <bkingx> yes
[23-May-2007 15:30:48] <illsci> well
[23-May-2007 15:30:54] <illsci> theres a good place to start looking
[23-May-2007 15:30:59] <bkingx> same subnet, though
[23-May-2007 15:31:13] <illsci> look at you snmpd config on the device.... or how its configured
[23-May-2007 15:31:17] <illsci> maybe its not allowing a whole subnet
[23-May-2007 15:31:26] <illsci> its configurable
[23-May-2007 15:31:31] <zor0> what is a "meta_type"? its refered to in the zenoss docs, but doesn't explain how meta_types are associated with a device
[23-May-2007 15:31:53] <bkingx> illsci: I'll double check those.
[23-May-2007 15:32:14] <illsci> it might allow a whole subnet but only for a certain oid's...
[23-May-2007 15:32:27] <illsci> you can get pretty granualar with com2sec and groups and views
[23-May-2007 15:33:20] <zor0> ok, is there a single zenoss developer in here?
[23-May-2007 15:33:32] <zor0> or a single admin who has actually implimented and used zenoss?
[23-May-2007 15:34:34] * zor0 wants some documentation
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[23-May-2007 15:38:33] <bkingx> OMG, illsci
[23-May-2007 15:38:37] <bkingx> You are so right!
[23-May-2007 15:38:48] <bkingx> It was restricted to the IP address.
[23-May-2007 15:38:57] <illsci> there you go..
[23-May-2007 15:40:12] <bkingx> Man I feel stupid!
[23-May-2007 15:40:47] <illsci> dont...
[23-May-2007 15:40:58] <illsci> i tried to swing an anycasted site the other day...
[23-May-2007 15:41:00] <illsci> that was stupid
[23-May-2007 15:41:09] <bkingx> lol
[23-May-2007 15:41:24] <illsci> i was sitting there wondering why my swing site wasnt taking any traffic..
[23-May-2007 15:42:29] <bkingx> now I have to kill the install of 1.1.2 and go back to 1.9.6
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[23-May-2007 17:51:56] <scrip> when the zenmodeler says "2007-05-23 14:48:06 WARNING zen.ZenModeler no cmd plugins found for Claro"
[23-May-2007 17:52:17] <scrip> is that related to zenCommand? does that mean that zenCommand doesn't think it has anything to run against the device?
[23-May-2007 17:53:21] <chet> scrip: It means that the DataCollector (zenmodeler) doesn't have any plugins that use the cmd transport. It could still have plugins that are using the snmp or portscan transports.
[23-May-2007 17:54:16] <scrip> so that means that zenCommand won't run any collection against the device?
[23-May-2007 17:54:42] <scrip> I have a data collector configured, it shows up in perfConf, but it never runs
[23-May-2007 17:55:20] <scrip> I don't even get errors in the zenCommand log file, and zenCommand is running with -v 10
[23-May-2007 17:55:28] <chet> scrip: I think you're confusing zenmodeler and zencommand.
[23-May-2007 17:55:36] <scrip> no, I'm not
[23-May-2007 17:55:51] <scrip> I'm trying to troubleshoot zenCommand and I wasn't sure if that message was related
[23-May-2007 17:56:02] <chet> ah, okay. It isn't.
[23-May-2007 17:57:01] <scrip> alright, what controlls data collectors running besides the actual configuration in a Device Tree object or a Device's perfconf section?
[23-May-2007 17:57:31] <scrip> I have the zproperty zCollectorCollectPlugins set to include the collector I want to use
[23-May-2007 17:57:57] <chet> zCollectorCollectPlugins is a property that's used by zenmodeler. zencommand doesn't use it at all.
[23-May-2007 17:57:59] <scrip> the collector is a script in libexec
[23-May-2007 17:58:25] <chet> The PerfConf section is the only thing that matters as far as what zencommand runs.
[23-May-2007 17:58:34] <scrip> ok, so I have a collector configured, it is a COMMAND type collector, it shows up in perfConf, and the command isn't being run
[23-May-2007 17:58:55] <scrip> do I need to restart zenCommand? it says in the log that it's reloaded its config since I made the changes
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[23-May-2007 17:59:24] <andrew_p> hi
[23-May-2007 17:59:27] <chet> Try stopping it and running it with zencommand run -v 10 so it goes through once in the foreground.
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[23-May-2007 18:01:11] <andrew_p> it's not clear from documentation what exactly needs to be put into zenperfsnmp.conf: mysql access info, snmp or something else
[23-May-2007 18:01:15] <andrew_p> please advice
[23-May-2007 18:01:27] <chet> andrew_p: It can be blank.
[23-May-2007 18:01:44] <chet> For a normal configuration that's the way to go.
[23-May-2007 18:02:31] <andrew_p> chet: ok, thank you
[23-May-2007 18:08:36] <monrad> i hope we get 2.0 soon then its going into production
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[23-May-2007 18:08:58] <monrad> and i hope we get the new rrdtool when its release to in the next release
[23-May-2007 18:09:03] <monrad> too
[23-May-2007 18:24:41] <andrew_p> i'm going to ask a dumb question, but hope it's tolerable when the site does not work
[23-May-2007 18:25:26] <andrew_p> what is the web part of zenoss based on and what is needed to make it work on freebsd? (just installed zenoss first time in my like and documentation section on site does not work:)
[23-May-2007 18:25:36] <andrew_p> s/like/life/;
[23-May-2007 18:26:05] <chet> The web part runs on Zope. A python application server. It comes bundled with Zenoss.
[23-May-2007 18:26:56] <andrew_p> ok, i see python listens on 8080. i can telnet onto it, but nothing shows up in firefox
[23-May-2007 18:27:09] <andrew_p> ok, i guess zope documentation helps
[23-May-2007 18:36:32] <bzed> andrew_p: reading the log could help, too
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[23-May-2007 18:36:44] <bzed> zope usuallyu logs into the instance's home, into the log dir
[23-May-2007 18:37:05] <bzed> i guess $ZENHOME/log, not sure if there's a log with zenoss, though
[23-May-2007 18:56:22] <andrew_p> bzed: thank you
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[23-May-2007 20:25:55] <sadkin> hello all
[23-May-2007 20:26:03] <sadkin>
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[23-May-2007 21:00:33] <dec-w> Can I run Zenoss on Postgresql?
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[23-May-2007 22:52:48] <daMaestro> what zope version does zenoss target?
[23-May-2007 22:52:55] <daMaestro> anyone object to packages in fedora?
[23-May-2007 23:00:53] <daMaestro> dan__t, ping
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[23-May-2007 23:48:59] <sadkin> Hello all
[23-May-2007 23:49:11] <sadkin> seems like the zenoss community is kinda.. death
[23-May-2007 23:49:19] <sadkin> rise your hand if you are alive
[23-May-2007 23:49:36] <sadkin> dead*
[23-May-2007 23:51:54] <dec-w> im dead
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[24-May-2007 00:24:26] <sadkin> lol
[24-May-2007 00:24:44] <sadkin> dont really understan why being here in a chatroom if you are not going to "be" here
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[24-May-2007 00:48:52] <iuso> i can agree with sadkin who was here an hour ago. i have to admit that i do see some activity on this channel every now and then, but mostly there seems to be no one here who's interested in helping users
[24-May-2007 00:50:32] <iuso> and the forum/ml seems like it's pretty void too
[24-May-2007 00:51:19] <iuso> or maybe it's just me? i've asked different questions on this channel and i think only once someone tried to help
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[24-May-2007 00:52:06] <iuso> i finally gave in and thought, well they must really hate to hang out here and prefer the forums instead. wrong. my question went without replies there also
[24-May-2007 00:52:45] <iuso> i'd be alright with this if the docs were good, but that's not the case
[24-May-2007 00:53:20] <iuso> i do realize how it goes with OSS; i can always claim my money back if i'm disappointed
[24-May-2007 00:54:46] <iuso> but nevertheless i'm starting to feel ever so slightly pissed off at this "community". don't get me wrong, the software is great -- it's just very frustrating to have absolutely NO feedback whatsoever for a simple help request
[24-May-2007 00:55:24] <iuso> at this point i'd be happy to even read someone say "i'm not gonna talk to you", but i guess not, huh
[24-May-2007 00:56:55] <iuso> i don't know if it makes any difference, but we're testing Zenoss at the company i work for, and some features are must-have. and it's precisely because of this that i insist on finding some basic stuff out that seems to not be documented at all
[24-May-2007 01:01:35] <daMaestro> iuso, i think with zenoss going into the RHX and beta 2 on the floor
[24-May-2007 01:01:44] <daMaestro> they have much better things to work on
[24-May-2007 01:01:56] <iuso> daMaestro: that sounds acceptable in a way
[24-May-2007 01:02:17] <daMaestro> i think you point that we are not paying customers is the most likely issue at this time
[24-May-2007 01:02:22] <iuso> yep
[24-May-2007 01:02:30] <daMaestro> this would be part of the reason zenoss is moving into RHX
[24-May-2007 01:02:41] * iuso looks up RHX
[24-May-2007 01:02:49] <daMaestro> the red hat exchange
[24-May-2007 01:02:52] <iuso> oh
[24-May-2007 01:03:30] <daMaestro> http://rhx.redhat.com/
[24-May-2007 01:03:30] <adytum-bot> Title: Product List (at rhx.redhat.com)
[24-May-2007 01:03:30] <iuso> thanks
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[24-May-2007 07:28:40] <Southron> On the Download page of the Zenoss web site, Zenwin is listed under the Zenoss Core section -- is it "the Windows version" of Zenoss core?
[24-May-2007 07:29:29] <Southron> I was under the impression that the main Zenoss application only runs on the Linux platform, but one of my staff thought otherwise.
[24-May-2007 07:29:39] <Southron> Can anyone clarify this for me?
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[24-May-2007 08:31:22] <RobGault> Southron: Zenwin is an application for pulling wmi information from Windows servers and for the stable version of Zenoss only runs on windows. Zenoss core needs to be running elseware, on *nix of some sort.
[24-May-2007 08:31:51] <RobGault> Zenoss v2.0 has Zenwin that will run on the *nix platform.
[24-May-2007 08:31:55] <RobGault> hth
[24-May-2007 08:40:10] <Southron> Thanks RobGault, but I'm trying to figure out if Zenoss Core -- the main application -- is a *nix only app.
[24-May-2007 08:41:22] <Southron> Is Zenwin a component of Zenoss Core that lets it gather WMI info, or is Zenwin basically a "Zenoss Core for Windows" kind of thing?
[24-May-2007 08:47:23] <Southron> Oh, sorry RobGault -- I didn't see your previous answer to my question.
[24-May-2007 08:47:25] <Southron> :\
[24-May-2007 08:47:32] <Southron> That's what I thought.
[24-May-2007 08:48:21] <Southron> Thanks for your help.
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[24-May-2007 09:41:58] <zombiehunter> Hello all- Can anyone tell me if it's possible to setup a zenoss box at our shop and have it remotely monitor our business clients machines? Would we need to setup another zenoss box and have it forward the data to our box? Are there any links for this type of setup? Can't seem to find much documentation on this.
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[24-May-2007 10:48:41] <scrip> is there documentation on the zenCommand daemon somewhere? I can't find anything, I need to know how zenoss parses cmd plugin data and stores it, having trouble making it generate graphs
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[24-May-2007 11:10:22] <scrip> I have a data collector configured, I can see it running in the logs, it generates events, but I can't graph the values it returns
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[24-May-2007 12:06:27] <ricko73> Anyone know if there will be an upgrade path from the beta releases of Zenoss v2 to the final 2.0 release?
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[24-May-2007 12:50:41] <zombiehunter> Hello all- Can anyone tell me if it's possible to setup a zenoss box at our shop and have it remotely monitor our business clients machines? Would we need to setup another zenoss box and have it forward the data to our box? Are there any links for this type of setup? Can't seem to find much documentation on this.
[24-May-2007 12:51:11] <chet> ricko73: Yes, it is a very simple upgrade path from the beta to the release.
[24-May-2007 12:51:42] <chet> zombiehunter: It is possible to setup remote monitors, but generally VPNs are suggested to support this type of setup.
[24-May-2007 12:54:16] <ricko73> chet: so 1.9.6 is stable enough to test with?
[24-May-2007 12:55:08] <chet> ricko73: That's exactly what it's for.
[24-May-2007 12:55:18] <zombiehunter> I see. It would probably be an issue setting up VPNs to all of our business customers though. Are there issues with remote monitors? Is there somewhere where I could find manuals or docs on setup and configuration? best practices? taht sort of thing?
[24-May-2007 12:55:33] <illsci> you don't need vpns
[24-May-2007 12:55:57] <ricko73> you can restrict access to specific ports from specific ip addresses with a decent firewall
[24-May-2007 12:56:19] <ricko73> say for example port 22 is only open from your monitoring system ip address
[24-May-2007 12:57:48] <illsci> so... does zenoss support distributed monitoring?
[24-May-2007 13:00:22] <chet> illsci: Yes, it does. It will be better implemented and documented in 2.0. You can documentation on the process for the 1.1 series at http://community.zenoss.com/docs/zenoss-guide/PartIII/Chapter9/Section3/guidesection_view
[24-May-2007 13:00:22] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[24-May-2007 13:00:55] <illsci> chet: do you work for zenoss?
[24-May-2007 13:01:08] <chet> yes
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[24-May-2007 13:03:41] <illsci> i filled out the web form to get information on training... It's been two days and I haven't heard anything back about it
[24-May-2007 13:05:10] <chet> That's not good. Do you know close to what date/time you filled it out?
[24-May-2007 13:05:34] <chet> I was actually a user and community participant up until this Monday when I became an employee.
[24-May-2007 13:06:50] <illsci> actually... someone did email me back..
[24-May-2007 13:07:27] <illsci> but he didn't give me information on training...
[24-May-2007 13:07:47] <illsci> "Apparently you filled out a form that addresses all purchase purposes with Zenoss. I will have a representative contact you shortly on our next training session."
[24-May-2007 13:07:54] <illsci> still waiting on that...
[24-May-2007 13:09:11] <chet> illsci: Ok, the next training session probably hasn't been scheduled yet.
[24-May-2007 13:09:36] <illsci> on the site it was listed as being in june... i forget the exact date that was on there..
[24-May-2007 13:09:47] <illsci> i was surprised it's in annapolis
[24-May-2007 13:09:55] <chet> Where are you located?
[24-May-2007 13:10:02] <illsci> right now im in va
[24-May-2007 13:10:11] <illsci> but i used to live in severna park
[24-May-2007 13:10:20] <illsci> and worked at the naval academy at one point..
[24-May-2007 13:10:21] <zombiehunter> chet: sorry- i guess im a little confused... as for remote monitoring, are vpns required? I don't really need distributed monitoring, we need seperate sites that forward the data to one main location. Can you setup separate sites/nets in zenoss?
[24-May-2007 13:10:51] <illsci> "seperate sites that forward the data to one main location" == distributed monitoring
[24-May-2007 13:10:58] <chet> zombiehunter: Even in a remote monitoring setup the remote monitors needs to be able to contact the main server.. so that connectivity would have to be worked out.
[24-May-2007 13:11:42] <illsci> you either have a single monitoring station pollling all your sites
[24-May-2007 13:12:10] <illsci> or you have a bunch of monitoring stations polling some sites and forwarding that info back to a central place where i can be looked at and alerted upon or whatever...
[24-May-2007 13:12:30] <illsci> you only would want to use vpns if you want to secure those communications
[24-May-2007 13:12:49] <illsci> and if you use ssh checks or snmpv3 you might decide not to bother with that
[24-May-2007 13:13:04] <illsci> because those communications are going to be encrypted anyway
[24-May-2007 13:13:44] <illsci> you can monitor as many networks or sites as you want from a single zenoss box.. but that might not be what you want...
[24-May-2007 13:14:41] <zombiehunter> oh i see. *grins* makes sense. what about WMI? def. need vpn then? alot of windows boxes.
[24-May-2007 13:14:54] <illsci> you could do that
[24-May-2007 13:15:02] <illsci> or you could install a box locally at each site...
[24-May-2007 13:15:16] <illsci> or each network... behind the firewalls
[24-May-2007 13:15:41] <illsci> and then just allow outbound connectivity from that monitoring box behind the firewall to your central monitoring station
[24-May-2007 13:16:14] <illsci> or
[24-May-2007 13:17:06] <illsci> install agents on the boxes you want to monitor and have them report back... rather than having the monitoring station initiate the coummunication... so your monitored systems are reporting back... as opposed to your monitoring box querying your monitored systems
[24-May-2007 13:17:33] <illsci> which may or may not work with zenoss.... im not sure how zenoss handles this stuff
[24-May-2007 13:18:25] <illsci> personally if I was trying to make money by offering monitoring services... i would try and get a box at each site
[24-May-2007 13:18:53] <illsci> then you could do other things from those boxes... like vulnerability scanning or something like that
[24-May-2007 13:19:13] <chet> illsci: Our prices are structured solely on monitored devices, not the number of monitoring servers.
[24-May-2007 13:19:33] <chet> illsci: Of course if you're buying appliances for the monitoring servers more would cost more.
[24-May-2007 13:20:12] <zombiehunter> that was my thought too but my boss is pushing for one box that is collecting data for many sites, less chances of trouble, maintenance, etc.
[24-May-2007 13:21:03] <illsci> zombiehunter... then every client you have is going to have to allow inbound communication from your single monitoring server to everyone of their internet networks
[24-May-2007 13:21:36] <illsci> which could be traversing many firewalls or router acl's...
[24-May-2007 13:22:22] <zombiehunter> any idea if the data (wmi/snmp) can be sent across internet over ssl? (assuming there were a box at each site)
[24-May-2007 13:22:52] <zombiehunter> im just trying to get around the whole vpn issue. not sure its feasible.
[24-May-2007 13:23:16] <illsci> well im not sure how zenoss distributed monitoring works.... you would hope that inter zenoss station communication was done over an encrypted channel
[24-May-2007 13:23:42] <zombiehunter> heh. I would hope.
[24-May-2007 13:23:46] <illsci> the whole point of putting a box on site is so that you do not have to care if the stuff is encrypted
[24-May-2007 13:24:47] <illsci> so you can use snmpv1 snmpv2 wmi... and stuff locally and then agregate the monitoring information locally and then send that back to your central box... and you would want that communication to be encrypted
[24-May-2007 13:25:43] <zombiehunter> Right, via which method? im back to that again, heh.
[24-May-2007 13:25:56] <illsci> i dont know what you mean
[24-May-2007 13:26:39] <zombiehunter> that aggregated data being sent back to central box. encryption, which method? ssl/vpn/other options?
[24-May-2007 13:26:55] <zombiehunter> as im trying to steer away from vpn.
[24-May-2007 13:27:56] <zombiehunter> oh, you weren't sure. My bad. Maybe someone on the forums will know.
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[24-May-2007 13:28:31] <illsci> yeah i dont know how zenoss talks to other zenoss boxes...
[24-May-2007 13:29:20] <zombiehunter> well i really appreciate all your help. thanks so much.
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[24-May-2007 14:53:49] <Dislo> hey guys i am trying to get zenoss to send email to two different email addresses when there is an error, so i was on the user page and i put in "foo@bar.com; not_giving@outmyemail.com" in the email section and it successfully sent to foo@bar.com but not the other am i doing it wrong should i be using a , instead of a ; or what
[24-May-2007 14:54:46] <ricko73> try it with a comma or even a space
[24-May-2007 14:56:38] <Dislo> comma succesfully delivered to the first one but not the second still and space did nothing
[24-May-2007 14:57:42] <ricko73> bummer!
[24-May-2007 14:57:50] <Dislo> yeah
[24-May-2007 14:57:59] <Dislo> any other ideas by chance
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[24-May-2007 15:02:26] <chet_> Dislo: Setup two alerting rules and specify the optional address in the second one.
[24-May-2007 15:03:34] <Dislo> and how do i do that
[24-May-2007 15:04:04] <Dislo> i didnt even know you could do that
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[24-May-2007 15:28:00] <Bulwinkle> can someone point me to zenwin for 1.9.x?
[24-May-2007 15:28:10] <Bulwinkle> hiya chet_!
[24-May-2007 15:29:28] <RobGault> http://community.zenoss.com/code/zenoss-2.0/
[24-May-2007 15:29:28] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
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[24-May-2007 15:30:04] <RobGault> Bulwinkle: it's part of core now.
[24-May-2007 15:30:51] <Bulwinkle> RobGault: so, the install file is located in the directory structure somewhere?
[24-May-2007 15:31:22] <RobGault> It compiles and runs on *nix now. It's not a seperat app for 2.0
[24-May-2007 15:31:35] <Bulwinkle> RobGault: okay gotcha, thanks!
[24-May-2007 15:31:47] <RobGault> no problem.
[24-May-2007 15:40:26] <Bulwinkle> Is there anything I have to do on Windows to get Zenoss to talk to WMI
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[24-May-2007 19:35:58] <riiv> are most/all cisco routers and switches with snmp supported well? any with gotchas or problems?
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[25-May-2007 17:30:53] <jimc2> anyone here familiar with zenoss who also has a background with nagios? I'm interested in mapping my past nagios experience into the world of zenoss and could use a bit of a leg up.
[25-May-2007 17:34:25] <jimc2> hold that thought... looking at the March archives, and right away I see some potentially helpful answers.
[25-May-2007 18:09:20] <bzed> jimc2: there's also a nagios-plugin howto
[25-May-2007 18:09:39] <jimc2> yeah I wasn't so much interested in learning about the plugins per se
[25-May-2007 18:09:43] <jimc2> more about the concepts
[25-May-2007 18:10:11] <jimc2> for example (going from memory - it's been a few years now), a trivial test in nagios would be to ping a server
[25-May-2007 18:10:18] <jimc2> but that doesn't seem to be the case with zenoss
[25-May-2007 18:10:31] <jimc2> zenoss seems to insist on snmp
[25-May-2007 18:10:38] <jimc2> and without it, I'm flailing in the wind
[25-May-2007 18:11:41] <jimc2> of the devices that *do* speak snmp, zenoss seems to be aware of, say, a web server listening on port 80
[25-May-2007 18:11:55] <jimc2> but for something it pings, I haven't been able to figure out how to tell it "hey, probe port 80"
[25-May-2007 18:13:13] <jimc2> I think the nagios equivalent is check_port
[25-May-2007 18:13:56] <jimc2> er... unless you're saying that the only way to get there from here is to snag the nagios-plugins?
[25-May-2007 18:14:38] <bzed> I think you'd just use the nagios plugin in that case
[25-May-2007 18:14:50] <bzed> or look if the zenoss plugins can do it
[25-May-2007 18:14:59] <bzed> doesn;t make much difference, though
[25-May-2007 18:15:16] <jimc2> so this functionality doesn't exist within zenoss out of the box?
[25-May-2007 18:15:37] <bzed> but I have to admit that I didn't ahve the time to play with zenoss very much, all my free time is spent on apckagaging it for debian
[25-May-2007 18:15:51] <bzed> afaik - no.
[25-May-2007 18:15:57] <jimc2> :|
[25-May-2007 18:16:29] <jimc2> thx... I'll go browse the plugin list for zenoss... maybe they have 'native' zenoss plugins which provide that functionality
[25-May-2007 18:16:37] <jimc2> if not... guess it'll be the nagios plugins for me
[25-May-2007 18:16:56] <jimc2> and... kudos to you for doing the deb pkg
[25-May-2007 18:17:06] <bzed> the zenoss plugins are written in py, you could just add some line of code
[25-May-2007 18:17:16] <bzed> but the nagios plugins work well, so why not use them
[25-May-2007 18:17:32] <bzed> imho it's better then re-inventing the wheel a lot of times
[25-May-2007 18:17:42] <jimc2> would prefer to stick with a pure zenoss environment, rather than downloading a patchwork quilt
[25-May-2007 18:18:04] <bzed> zenoss ships with the nagios plugins anyway
[25-May-2007 18:18:08] <jimc2> it does?
[25-May-2007 18:18:14] <bzed> yeah
[25-May-2007 18:18:19] <bzed> they're in the bin directory afaik
[25-May-2007 18:18:20] <jimc2> hm
[25-May-2007 18:18:22] <jimc2> nice
[25-May-2007 18:18:29] <jimc2> I'll go poke my noe in there then
[25-May-2007 18:18:42] <jimc2> s/noe/nose/
[25-May-2007 18:19:13] <bzed> nagios-plugins-1.4.5.tar.gz should be installed
[25-May-2007 18:19:14] <bzed> btw
[25-May-2007 18:19:19] <bzed> are you testing the 2.0 beta?
[25-May-2007 18:19:30] <bzed> if not, and you're not in a hurry - do it
[25-May-2007 18:19:47] <jimc2> not yet... I've downloaded the 2.0 beta VMware container, but haven't fired it up yet
[25-May-2007 18:19:59] <jimc2> that nice, eh/
[25-May-2007 18:20:01] <jimc2> ?
[25-May-2007 18:20:04] <bzed> and if you find any bugs, report them please, the developers are pretty fast on fixing them usually
[25-May-2007 18:20:22] <jimc2> what's the method for reporting bugs? mailing list? bugzilla?
[25-May-2007 18:20:35] <jimc2> (guess I should just look on the site)
[25-May-2007 18:20:42] <bzed> either the zenoss-dev list or trac on dev.zenoss.com
[25-May-2007 18:20:50] <bzed> user/password is zenoss
[25-May-2007 18:21:03] * jimc2 nods
[25-May-2007 18:21:05] <jimc2> thx
[25-May-2007 18:21:23] <bzed> if you register a community account, you can subscribe to the mailing list in your user profile
[25-May-2007 18:21:55] <bzed> or just use the forum, new entries there are mailed to the list, too
[25-May-2007 18:22:03] <jimc2> does anyone have any sense of when 2.0 will be GA?
[25-May-2007 18:22:21] <jimc2> as in, within the next month, the next 3 months...?
[25-May-2007 18:26:49] <bzed> it was supposed to be out allready
[25-May-2007 18:29:49] <bzed> jimc2: http://community.zenoss.com/docs/howtos
[25-May-2007 18:29:49] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[25-May-2007 18:45:16] <jimc2> yeah, I was browsing that recently already
[25-May-2007 18:45:30] <jimc2> of the sections which interested me most, it left a bit to be desired
[25-May-2007 18:45:33] <jimc2> for example:
[25-May-2007 18:45:35] <jimc2> "Instructions on how to use the "use anywhere" Zenoss Plugins"
[25-May-2007 18:46:04] <jimc2> tells you how the plugins get used at the command line, but doesn't tell you, from the Zenoss UI, how to actually *use* them.
[25-May-2007 18:48:00] <bzed> typical proper documentation problem
[25-May-2007 18:48:03] <bzed>
[25-May-2007 18:48:19] <bzed> I'd add a bug about it
[25-May-2007 18:51:11] <jimc2> a picture is worth a thousand words
[25-May-2007 18:51:20] <jimc2> and one example can go a long way to painting that picture
[25-May-2007 18:51:52] <jimc2> would be great if there were a way to add comments to the howtos like they have for other areas of the docco
[25-May-2007 18:53:34] <jimc2> haven't really found a clear explanation of what the 'localhost' status monitor does
[25-May-2007 18:53:48] <jimc2> my first impression was that it monitored itself, ie, the host where zenoss was installed
[25-May-2007 18:54:57] <bzed> jimc2: get a community account, login and click edit in the upper right corner
[25-May-2007 18:55:02] <bzed> I guess that should work
[25-May-2007 18:55:04] <bzed> never tried it, thoguh
[25-May-2007 18:55:13] <jimc2> cool
[25-May-2007 18:56:54] <jimc2> one thing I'd heard about... OpenNMS, I think it was, was that once ONMS was monitoring a given IP address, that if it discovered any additional open ports during subsequent checks, that it would automagically add those to be monitored
[25-May-2007 18:57:02] <jimc2> I don't suppose there's anything like that in zenoss?
[25-May-2007 18:57:03] <jimc2> heh
[25-May-2007 18:58:51] <bzed> look at zendisc
[25-May-2007 18:59:00] <bzed> I think it's integrated in the 2.0 UI
[25-May-2007 18:59:20] <bzed> but on 1.2 you have to use the zendisc tool
[25-May-2007 18:59:37] <bzed> add a network and let it run on it
[25-May-2007 18:59:51] <bzed> and it'll add at least all snmp devices
[25-May-2007 19:00:18] <jimc2> nice
[25-May-2007 19:00:28] <jimc2> yeah, I was just reading "Added Network Auto-Discovery to UI" for 2.0
[25-May-2007 19:00:40] <jimc2> I'll have to take a closer look at that
[25-May-2007 19:01:26] <jimc2> for my company's purpose, we're only interested in monitoring a rather limited number of hosts... so I'd be interested in specifying IP addresses and letting zenoss have at it, rather than letting it run wild across the client's network, poking anything that has a pulse
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[25-May-2007 19:03:56] <jimc2> what the heck... lemme go shut down the 1.1 VM and fire up the 1.96 VM and see what happens
[25-May-2007 19:03:59] <jimc2> brb
[25-May-2007 19:27:39] <jimc2> nice!
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[26-May-2007 11:23:38] <zombiehunter> greets again everyone- can anyone tell me if given the scenario that I setup a master zenoss box at my site, and want to remotely monitor other businesses domains with a slave box, would I need to have the slave box joined to my domain in order to talk to the master box? Can zenoss monitor the domain that it would be installed a (given I had snmp community names the same, and credentials and whatnot)
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[26-May-2007 12:54:29] <andrew_p> hi. for how long has the community.zenoss.com/docs been down?
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[26-May-2007 13:07:07] <bzed> andrew_p: http://community.zenoss.com/docs/howtos works for me
[26-May-2007 13:07:07] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[26-May-2007 13:08:28] <andrew_p> weird. i am getting site errors (a large traceback of UnicodeEncodeError) everywhere on community.zenoss.com/docs
[26-May-2007 13:09:27] <andrew_p> bzed: is at least admin guide available in pdf?
[26-May-2007 13:09:59] <bzed> probably a problem with your language settings?
[26-May-2007 13:10:06] <bzed> what's your browser's default language?
[26-May-2007 13:12:12] <bzed> btw, in the worse case, you can get the 1.1 admin guide from the svn
[26-May-2007 13:12:21] <bzed> http://dev.zenoss.org/svn/trunk/zendocs/
[26-May-2007 13:12:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Revision 5524: /trunk/zendocs (at dev.zenoss.org)
[26-May-2007 13:12:25] <bzed> the 2.0 is nto done afaik
[26-May-2007 13:15:36] <cluther> andrew_p: Would you send that traceback via the feedback form along with your browser's language setting? The link is http://www.zenoss.com/about/contact_form?c=feedback
[26-May-2007 13:15:36] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Contact Form : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[26-May-2007 13:15:47] <andrew_p> cluther: ok. however, i've just posted it to the mailing list
[26-May-2007 13:16:00] <andrew_p> bzed: thanks for the link
[26-May-2007 13:16:41] <cluther> andrew_p: Great.. I'll see to it that it's looked into next week.
[26-May-2007 13:17:16] <andrew_p> site works after moving English onto the top of the list of preferred languages. previously there was Russian
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[26-May-2007 13:19:44] <bzed> soemtimes the unicode encoding erros in py can be quiet annoying
[26-May-2007 13:19:57] <bzed> but that looks more like a bug in plone's translation service
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[26-May-2007 13:24:54] <cluther> Thanks for the report, andrew. I'm surprised that hasn't come up before.
[26-May-2007 13:25:55] <bzed> cluther: are you runnin the latest plone version? if so, I think I should go and try to reproduce this with the debian packages :\
[26-May-2007 13:26:28] <cluther> bzed: I'm not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me with how new the community site is.
[26-May-2007 13:26:41] <cluther> bzed: If I remember correctly it only launched a few weeks ago.
[26-May-2007 13:26:43] <andrew_p> thanks for your operability
[26-May-2007 13:27:40] * bzed fires his devel zope up.....
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[26-May-2007 13:36:28] <bzed> hmm
[26-May-2007 13:36:31] <bzed> no issues at all
[26-May-2007 13:36:34] <bzed> seems to work well
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[26-May-2007 13:46:24] <andrew_p> i have tried loading site in both firefox and IE 7 and both showed the same effect when preferred language was russian
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[26-May-2007 14:24:55] <andrew_p> it seems zendisc uses "public" community string which is hardcoded in Products/DataColelctor/SnmpClient.py. am i right?
[26-May-2007 14:25:24] <andrew_p> i'm just looking for a way to specify community string for auto-discovery
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[27-May-2007 09:32:45] <andrew_p> what component of zenoss is supposed to send email alerts? i do not get any alerts for services and processes going up and down, although configuration is ok :/
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[27-May-2007 09:47:48] <cluther> andrew_p: That would be zenactions.
[27-May-2007 09:47:56] <cluther> andrew_p: You set your alerting rules up?
[27-May-2007 09:49:56] <andrew_p> cluther: yes, there is one enabled alerting rule. delay=0, action=email, filter (severity>=warning, production state=production). schedule is disabled
[27-May-2007 09:50:11] <andrew_p> and i did get test email well...
[27-May-2007 09:50:43] <cluther> Sounds good to me. Which version are you running?
[27-May-2007 09:51:35] <andrew_p> 1.1.2 on freebsd
[27-May-2007 09:52:04] <cluther> Try restarting zenactions from the About screen.
[27-May-2007 09:52:28] <andrew_p> when i put down the service and run zenmodeler manually, nothing interesting appears in maillog or zenactions.log... ok
[27-May-2007 09:52:37] <cluther> It probably just hasn't reloaded it's configuration yet. This is a common problem with all of the daemons in the 1.x series. They only reload their config every x minutes.. usually 20.
[27-May-2007 09:59:41] <andrew_p> did not help. (and much time have passed since i enabled alerts)
[27-May-2007 10:00:22] <andrew_p> btw, zenmodeler is run every 6 hours. isn't that too long to detect a failed service/process or is it detected by some other component?
[27-May-2007 10:00:55] <cluther> zenmodeler doesn't detect failures. It only builds configuration models of your systems. Are you trying this with a Windows service, or a *nix process?
[27-May-2007 10:01:46] <andrew_p> *nix process
[27-May-2007 10:02:22] <cluther> the zenprocess daemon watches those. Every minute.
[27-May-2007 10:03:21] <cluther> If you go the OS tab of the device you're testing with, can you see the process you're trying to monitor?
[27-May-2007 10:07:50] <andrew_p> yes, i do. zenprocesses daemon appears to work fine. my concern is rather ip service monitoring by zenstatus. i have started a service 10 minutes ago, but zenstatus still shows it as down. running zenstatus with -v 10 or restarting it does not reveal anything new
[27-May-2007 10:09:19] <cluther> oh, ok.
[27-May-2007 10:09:49] <cluther> Which service is it?
[27-May-2007 10:10:17] <andrew_p> httpd
[27-May-2007 10:10:52] <andrew_p> only if i run zenmodeler this critical error does disappear from dashboard
[27-May-2007 10:11:07] <cluther> There can be problems monitoring IPv6 enabled apps.
[27-May-2007 10:11:16] <cluther> Let me see if I can dig up discussion about this..
[27-May-2007 10:12:20] <cluther> http://community.zenoss.com/docs/faqs/faq-english/#Whydoesnthttpdshowupinmylistofservices
[27-May-2007 10:12:20] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[27-May-2007 10:12:20] <andrew_p> thank you
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[27-May-2007 16:12:58] <andrew_p> does zenoss 2.0-beta support dependency tracking (i mean not level 3)?
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[28-May-2007 02:53:53] <aikie> How can I add a custom MIB to zenoss
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[28-May-2007 07:30:35] <lawnchair> chairuou|work, settle down
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[28-May-2007 15:41:15] <rollerskatejamms> Is it possible to use zenoss with python 2.4 or 2.5 rather then 2.3?
[28-May-2007 15:42:12] <rollerskatejamms> ah 2.4 great
[28-May-2007 15:53:47] <bzed> 2.4 is default
[28-May-2007 15:53:54] <bzed> afaik there're some issues with 2.5
[28-May-2007 15:54:52] <rollerskatejamms> bzed, thats fine, 2.4 is in the repositories for my distro
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[28-May-2007 15:56:47] <fernando> hey all
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[28-May-2007 17:32:12] <NytWolf> I could use some assistance in installing Zenoss if anyone is around.
There is an install error I just can't figure out[28-May-2007 17:32:18] <NytWolf> Regarding libsmi
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[28-May-2007 18:01:53] <rollerskatejamms> Why isn't there anywhere to specify an ip address when I try to add a device?
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[28-May-2007 18:33:55] <NytWolf> If anyone is listening
[28-May-2007 18:34:30] <NytWolf> This is the error I'm getting after a few minutes of running install.sh
[28-May-2007 18:35:14] <NytWolf> make enters directory "/home/zenoss/zenoss-1.1.2/build/libsmi-0.4.5" then gets: /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected and finally make does this: make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 2
[28-May-2007 18:35:20] <NytWolf> And leaves the directory
[28-May-2007 18:35:55] <NytWolf> I'd try to find the unexpected "(" but there are only thousands of them in the files of that directory
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[28-May-2007 18:54:31] <cluther> NytWolf: That sounds like a problem with an outdated make/automake/autoconf.. what distribution are you trying this on?
[28-May-2007 18:54:46] <NytWolf> Ubuntu
[28-May-2007 18:54:50] <NytWolf> 7
[28-May-2007 18:55:24] <cluther> Hmm.. I previously had it running on that.
[28-May-2007 18:55:43] <NytWolf> Well, it's running on Ubuntu 7.04 but gcc says: gcc version 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4)
[28-May-2007 18:55:49] <NytWolf> Not sure if thats significant
[28-May-2007 18:56:01] <cluther> Nah, that's normal.
[28-May-2007 18:56:14] <NytWolf> GNU Make 3.81
[28-May-2007 18:56:20] <cluther> How big is your zenbuild.log?
[28-May-2007 18:56:39] <NytWolf> Looks like about 2.5 mb
[28-May-2007 18:57:48] <cluther> Do a make clean in your zenossinst directory, make sure the zenbuild.log is removed, then run make libsmi-install.
[28-May-2007 18:58:01] <cluther> Then could you email me your zenbuild.log? cluther@zenoss.com
[28-May-2007 18:58:07] <NytWolf> Will do!
[28-May-2007 18:59:19] <NytWolf> oh
[28-May-2007 18:59:49] <NytWolf> It errors out before it even builds zenbuild.log
[28-May-2007 18:59:54] <NytWolf> I'll put it in a txt file
[28-May-2007 19:01:26] <NytWolf> Sent away
[28-May-2007 19:02:25] <NytWolf> Whats strange is that 'libsmi-0.4.5.tar.gz' does exist, in that directory
[28-May-2007 19:05:16] <NytWolf> Looks like its trying to go a directory below where its supposed to be
[28-May-2007 19:38:41] <cluther> NytWolf: Ah.. it expects the build directory to exist. Trying making a build directory under zenossinst first.
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[28-May-2007 23:13:31] <NytWolf> Dang, he left just as I got back
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[29-May-2007 04:56:31] <crazyal> Hey people
[29-May-2007 04:56:40] <crazyal> All zenoss lovers here/
[29-May-2007 04:56:41] <crazyal> ?
[29-May-2007 04:57:27] <crazyal> Can Zenoss run across a public network? Or has it got to be a dedicated box on the same network?
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[29-May-2007 08:57:16] <crazyal> anyone about right now?
[29-May-2007 09:01:31] <crazyal> Can Zenoss run on a dedicated server which isn't on the private network of the machines it is monitoring? So over public network?
[29-May-2007 09:04:24] <jshadow> as long as it can connect to the snmp port on the machines it's monitoring
[29-May-2007 09:05:09] <crazyal> jshadow: okay thanks, and do you think it would suck much bandwidth? As it's constant monitoring
[29-May-2007 09:06:34] <jshadow> we don't notice too much effect on our network here... but its all local, never tried over internet or whatnot, you can control the rate at which it polls though
[29-May-2007 09:06:43] <jshadow> if it gets bad you could tune it down
[29-May-2007 09:07:16] <crazyal> cool, I guess I could just try and see!! No idea how secure snmp would be over public network, would have to look it up
[29-May-2007 09:07:39] <jshadow> you'd want to use a different community other than the standard "public" for sure
[29-May-2007 09:08:10] <crazyal> yeah
[29-May-2007 09:08:15] <crazyal> thanks for the tips
[29-May-2007 09:08:55] <jshadow> we have all of our boxes set to only reply to our monitoring box's ip as well, I suppose that could be spoofed or something, but we haven't had any probs yet
[29-May-2007 09:09:00] <jshadow> np
[29-May-2007 09:09:36] <crazyal> that's what I was thinking, it would only be a temporary solution anyway until I could get a new dedi box on the private network
[29-May-2007 09:09:49] <crazyal> I wonder if the pager works for the UK, that would be cool
[29-May-2007 09:10:23] <jshadow> I haven't explored the pager yet, we need to get an smtp gateway or something, it's on the todo list =)
[29-May-2007 09:10:36] <crazyal> cool
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[29-May-2007 09:36:40] <bkingx> Good morning!
[29-May-2007 09:36:58] <bkingx> When adding a device, I get this error:
[29-May-2007 09:37:19] <bkingx> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 89, in processClient datamaps = plugin.process(device, results, log) File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/RouteMap.py", line 62, in process if not rm and not self.checkColumns(route, self.columns, log): AttributeError: RouteMap instance has no attribute 'checkColumns'
[29-May-2007 09:37:42] <bkingx> And in the table, I get this:
[29-May-2007 09:37:44] <bkingx> 2007-05-29 09:23:37 ERROR zen.ApplyDataMap plugin zenoss.snmp.RouteMap device PIPPIN
[29-May-2007 09:38:00] <bkingx> Anyone know how to fix this?
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[29-May-2007 10:50:34] <scrip> hello, I'm looking for more info on the Rest interface, where can I get a complete list of methods?
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[29-May-2007 10:52:21] <bkingx> Hi scrip: I can't help, but I wanted you to know there are people here listening.
[29-May-2007 10:52:34] <bkingx> I think most are afk.
[29-May-2007 10:52:47] <scrip> yeah, always the case :-/
[29-May-2007 10:52:55] <scrip> and they ignore my forum posts too
[29-May-2007 10:53:37] <bkingx> I've gotten help here before. Just depends on who is here.
[29-May-2007 10:53:40] <scrip> wish the were as far along with the docs as they are with the rest of it, its a real pain to impliment, I'm trying to figure out a system for monitoring dynamic IP boxes
[29-May-2007 10:54:38] <bkingx> No kidding!
[29-May-2007 10:55:42] <bkingx> The installation itself was hard.
[29-May-2007 10:55:55] <bkingx> And not specific enough for newbies.
[29-May-2007 10:56:05] <bkingx> I still don't think I have it installed right.
[29-May-2007 10:56:47] <bkingx> I think I am having a DB permissions problem. Even though I delete a device, it still shows up as having issues.
[29-May-2007 10:57:34] <bkingx> Oops...think I JUST NOW figured that out.
[29-May-2007 10:57:51] <bkingx> I think they were events not acknowldeged
[29-May-2007 10:58:09] <bkingx> I'll have to see if they come back.
[29-May-2007 10:58:19] <bkingx> But another issue I have is adding a device.
[29-May-2007 10:58:33] <bkingx> I get this error at the top of the screen:
[29-May-2007 10:58:41] <bkingx> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 89, in processClient datamaps = plugin.process(device, results, log) File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/RouteMap.py", line 62, in process if not rm and not self.checkColumns(route, self.columns, log): AttributeError: RouteMap instance has no attribute 'checkColumns'
[29-May-2007 10:58:48] <bkingx> and this error in the table:
[29-May-2007 10:58:59] <bkingx> 2007-05-29 09:23:37 ERROR zen.ApplyDataMap plugin zenoss.snmp.RouteMap device PIPPIN
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[29-May-2007 11:19:26] <bkingx> Can someone help me solve a device problem?
[29-May-2007 11:19:37] <bkingx> When adding a device, I get this:
[29-May-2007 11:19:42] <bkingx> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 89, in processClient datamaps = plugin.process(device, results, log) File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/RouteMap.py", line 62, in process if not rm and not self.checkColumns(route, self.columns, log): AttributeError: RouteMap instance has no attribute 'checkColumns'
[29-May-2007 11:19:50] <bkingx> And in the table below:
[29-May-2007 11:19:54] <bkingx> 2007-05-29 09:23:37 ERROR zen.ApplyDataMap plugin zenoss.snmp.RouteMap device PIPPIN
[29-May-2007 11:23:10] <jimc2> wild speculation, but is this after upgrading Zenoss?
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[29-May-2007 11:25:13] <bkingx> jimc2: no...fresh install
[29-May-2007 11:25:46] <jimc2> hm
[29-May-2007 11:26:03] <jimc2> so in other words, you haven't been able to add *any* devices.
[29-May-2007 11:26:28] <bkingx> I can add them, but they all have this error in them.
[29-May-2007 11:27:27] <scrip> I think that error means that the zope interface died
[29-May-2007 11:27:34] <scrip> what are you setting?
[29-May-2007 11:27:51] <scrip> btw, name should be an ip or hostname, that threw me the first time I tried to add a device
[29-May-2007 11:28:37] <bkingx> scrip: name or IP seems to work fine. Oh...and I do not get the error when I select none itn he discovery protocol.
[29-May-2007 11:29:03] <scrip> check the logs, is something not running/dying?
[29-May-2007 11:29:56] <bkingx> OK...complete newbie here. Where should I check?
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[29-May-2007 11:34:28] <bkingx> I think this is the key: ERROR zen.ApplyDataMap plugin zenoss.snmp.RouteMap device
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[29-May-2007 16:54:30] <taupe> what's best, opennms or zenoss
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[29-May-2007 17:05:25] <jimc2> taupe: I think I saw a response to that question somewhere in the forum archives or some such
[29-May-2007 17:05:30] * jimc2 searches
[29-May-2007 17:05:44] <taupe>
[29-May-2007 17:08:57] <jimc2> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/000884.html
[29-May-2007 17:09:51] <taupe> thats very true
[29-May-2007 17:09:56] <taupe> however doesn't mention opennms
[29-May-2007 17:10:58] <jimc2> sure it does
[29-May-2007 17:11:03] <taupe> ahh the next one
[29-May-2007 17:11:07] <taupe> yeah, i'd agree with all those comments
[29-May-2007 17:11:07] <jimc2> it says:
[29-May-2007 17:11:09] <jimc2> OpenNMS - scales well focused on status checking. Lots of xml sit-
[29-May-2007 17:11:09] <jimc2> ups for config.
[29-May-2007 17:11:31] <jimc2> thought this was interesting too: http://blog.zenoss.com/tag/Debian
[29-May-2007 17:11:38] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss Blog (at blog.zenoss.com)
[29-May-2007 17:11:48] <jimc2> I've taken a poke at ONMS myself as well as attempted to build zabbix in the past
[29-May-2007 17:12:02] <jimc2> mind you, I'm dealing with different constraints
[29-May-2007 17:12:04] <tessier_> When I download the zenoss tarball does it include zope or do I need to install zope separately myself?
[29-May-2007 17:12:10] <taupe> i dont like the looks of zabbix
[29-May-2007 17:12:22] <jimc2> decided this time "to heck with the constraints" and am playing with Zenoss VM at home on the big iron
[29-May-2007 17:12:43] <jimc2> tessier_: I don't recall... it's been a while for me
[29-May-2007 17:12:53] <jimc2> tessier_: I'm tempted to say that they include zope
[29-May-2007 17:13:40] <tessier_> I'm hoping zenoss is much better/more complete than nagios and I am also hoping it is suitable as a host database for keeping track of our servers, what they are, where they are, what they do, etc.
[29-May-2007 17:13:40] <bzed> tessier_: it includes zope
[29-May-2007 17:13:41] * jimc2 ponders an environment which integrates zope, zenoss and plone
[29-May-2007 17:13:46] <tessier_> bzed: Cool, thanks
[29-May-2007 17:14:05] <bzed> jimc2: wait until the debian packages with zenoss are ready
[29-May-2007 17:14:30] <bzed> jimc2: then you'll be able to install zenoss and plone and whatever you liek just by aptitude install-ing it
[29-May-2007 17:14:32] <jimc2> tessier_: I'm an old Nagios guy from some years back, and recently started playing with Zenoss 2.0 beta... it's like freakin' night and day
[29-May-2007 17:14:50] <jimc2> bzed: I look forward to that, being a big Ubuntu fan
[29-May-2007 17:15:22] <jimc2> there are some Zenoss concepts which I had to puzzle over... with Nagios, I tended to start off with a simple ping test and went from there
[29-May-2007 17:15:45] <jimc2> BUT, not having to muck around with config files by hand is suh-WEET
[29-May-2007 17:16:12] <jimc2> plus, back in the day when I tried getting the rrdtool plugin to work with nagios... I just found the config file a tad bit mind-bending, so I gave it a miss
[29-May-2007 17:16:27] <taupe> i'll come back once i've trialed the two and let you know my thoughts
[29-May-2007 17:16:29] <taupe> cheers all
[29-May-2007 17:16:33] <jimc2> cheers
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[29-May-2007 17:16:41] <jimc2> he'll be back.
[29-May-2007 17:16:57] <jimc2> ONMS looked promising when I played with it, but a PITA to set up
[29-May-2007 17:17:15] <jimc2> and when I saw that there were features in the live demo that weren't there in the version I was playing with....
[29-May-2007 17:18:20] <jimc2> I did discover a bug with Zenoss 2.0 beta which I need to file
[29-May-2007 17:18:36] <tessier_> jimc2: The nice thing about flat text config files is that you can revision control them.
[29-May-2007 17:18:41] <tessier_> I wonder about that with zenoss.
[29-May-2007 17:18:43] <jimc2> if you try to do a test ping/traceroute/dns/etc, it behaves as though there's a newline between the command and the IP address
[29-May-2007 17:19:46] <jimc2> tessier_: don't recall if there's a way to revision control things you're monitoring
[29-May-2007 17:19:57] <jimc2> to some extent, ask yourself how easy it is to revision control a DB
[29-May-2007 17:20:00] <tessier_> Does everyone really use snmp to collect their data? I have always avoided it for fear of it being a gaping security hole.
[29-May-2007 17:20:11] <jimc2> but I do believe you can lock a server's config
[29-May-2007 17:20:13] <tessier_> jimc2: Not easy at all which is why I wonder about storing the configs in a db.
[29-May-2007 17:20:21] <tessier_> Our dns is stored in a db. Kinda scary.
[29-May-2007 17:20:38] <jimc2> I'm partial to djbdns anyway
[29-May-2007 17:20:48] <jimc2> but yeah, the snmp is a curious one
[29-May-2007 17:20:50] <jimc2> that said,
[29-May-2007 17:20:58] <jimc2> there seem to be at least a couple other vectors to monitor
[29-May-2007 17:21:08] <jimc2> like apparently there's a plugin to leverage the Nagios plugins
[29-May-2007 17:22:29] <jimc2> pretty sure I saw something which indicates that one way to monitor is to leverage ssh
[29-May-2007 17:22:44] <jimc2> so you could in essence ssh to the target server and run the snmp command locally
[29-May-2007 17:22:54] <jimc2> assuming you've limited snmp connections to 127.0.0.1
[29-May-2007 17:23:12] <jimc2> munge the output, return resuts to Zenoss
[29-May-2007 17:23:15] <jimc2> done and done
[29-May-2007 17:23:37] <jimc2> I'll admit I'm curious as to the scalability of ssh'ing to multiple devices every few mins
[29-May-2007 17:24:31] <tessier_> The nagios plugins kinda suck.
[29-May-2007 17:24:42] <jimc2> howso?
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[29-May-2007 17:24:44] <tessier_> And you have to use nrpe etc. to get the data off of the local host over to your nagios server
[29-May-2007 17:25:05] <jimc2> oh, THOSE plugins
[29-May-2007 17:25:12] <tessier_> Using ssh to do monitoring isn't a bad idea for unix boxes
[29-May-2007 17:25:15] <jimc2> I was more interested in things like getting the response time of an http server
[29-May-2007 17:25:22] <tessier_> oh
[29-May-2007 17:25:52] <jimc2> because if you have to login via ssh, you might as well leverage the one Zenoss tidbit (can't remember the name offhand) or else just script your own stuff
[29-May-2007 17:26:23] <jimc2> I also haven't tried pumping syslog into Zenoss... curious to see what it does with that
[29-May-2007 17:28:04] <jimc2> personally I'd like to see more "config by example" examples on the Zenoss site
[29-May-2007 17:28:25] <jimc2> there are some low-level things which are interesting, but no indication of how to leverage those from within Zenoss
[29-May-2007 17:30:33] <tessier_> wow, zenoss takes a while to install...
[29-May-2007 17:34:24] * jimc2 shrugs
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[29-May-2007 17:48:07] <jimc2> one thing that's not clear to me is that Zenoss seems to (on some level) be aware of the various ports which can be checked, but on another level, doesn't seem to be too fussed about monitoring them
[29-May-2007 17:50:42] <jimc2> for example:
[29-May-2007 17:50:50] <jimc2> Services > IpService
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[29-May-2007 17:51:48] <jimc2> in the Sub-Folders pane, it lists Privileged and Registered
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[29-May-2007 17:52:41] <jimc2> in the Services pane, it lists tcp_00953, udp_01022 and udp_01023 -- why, I don't know.
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[29-May-2007 18:21:40] <BucketOfTruth> I'm evaluating Zenoss as an alternative to Nagios. My primary need is to monitor whether a customer's DSL is up, and various services are functioning (SMTP, HTTP, etc) and load or disk usage. Am I barking up the wrong tree with Zenoss?
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[29-May-2007 18:23:21] <BucketOfTruth> I'm seeing a lot of references to SNMP which is unnecessary for the type of monitoring I'm doing.
[29-May-2007 18:28:31] <BucketOfTruth> gotta love the dead irc channels. later...
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[29-May-2007 19:25:11] <NytWolf> I am still having installation problems. Would anyone know if its possible to bypass libsmi in the ./install.sh script? Sounds silly but I can explain...
[29-May-2007 19:29:42] <scrip> can zenoss monitor by hostname instead of IP?
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[29-May-2007 20:36:56] <scrip> ROFLMAO THIS CHANNEL IS AS DEAD AS THE FORUMS LOL
[29-May-2007 20:37:01] <scrip>
[29-May-2007 20:37:24] * scrip pouts
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[29-May-2007 20:52:11] <cluther> scrip: What's up?
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[30-May-2007 07:55:48] <VlaDar> heloo there
[30-May-2007 07:58:35] <VlaDar> I dont understand I monitor several servers with zenoss. My debian servers all well monitored, but my ubuntu workstation, i cant get perf graphs to work & don't have FS usage informations in OS tab
[30-May-2007 08:00:20] <VlaDar> alsoo i dont understand how to set SNMP Informant (on wondows XP) I added snmp service and installed standard
[30-May-2007 08:00:22] <VlaDar> SNMP Informant
[30-May-2007 08:01:04] <VlaDar> somme idea ?
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[30-May-2007 09:03:06] <cluther> VlaDar: For SNMP-Informant you've done the right things. However, you should be sure to setup the SNMP configuration by going to the properties for the Windows SNMP service. Then restart the service.
[30-May-2007 09:03:42] <cluther> VlaDar: Ubuntu doesn't come with SNMP installed by default. You'll have to install the package and start it up.
[30-May-2007 09:03:54] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Good morning! This is chet..
[30-May-2007 09:04:17] <Bulwinkle> heya chet.. how goes it?
[30-May-2007 09:05:16] <VlaDar> I even rebooted it since I've installed it (it's wondows, one rboot per day)
[30-May-2007 09:07:31] <VlaDar> and for ubuntu, of caurse I've installed all necessery packages, my ubuntu workstation is well monitored, as I said, in OS tab, I can see all my mounts and "Total bytes" sizes, but not "Free bytes" and "% Util" informations
[30-May-2007 09:08:23] <VlaDar> I've put the same /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf ont my debian servers and on my ubuntu WS
[30-May-2007 09:19:34] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Good. How goes your install?
[30-May-2007 09:19:54] <cluther> VlaDar: How long ago did you add your workstation into Zenoss, and which version are you using?
[30-May-2007 09:20:38] <Bulwinkle> ah, it goes... I am still having problems when I do the interface polling and the problem is resolved. I have to move it to history to clear it (doesn't clear on its own)... Other than that so far, so good.
[30-May-2007 09:40:47] <VlaDar> more than few weeks
[30-May-2007 09:41:32] <VlaDar> cluther : which version of zenoss ?
[30-May-2007 09:42:18] <cluther> VlaDar: Yeah. Also, what device class is your workstation installed in?
[30-May-2007 09:43:50] <VlaDar> cluther: Zenoss 1.1.1/Zope 2.8.8/Python 2.4.4/MySQL 5.0.32 (Ver 5.0.32)/RRDtool 1.2.15/Twisted 2.4.0/PySNMP 3.4.3/TwistedSNMP 0.3.13
[30-May-2007 09:44:35] <VlaDar> cluther : mi Ws is in /Devices /Workstation /Linux /
[30-May-2007 09:45:06] <cluther> Ah, the performance template that collect all of that information are setup in /Devices/Server.
[30-May-2007 09:45:40] <cluther> You could try copying the Device performance template from /Devices/Server/Linux to /Devices/Workstation/Linux if you want to keep the device classes separated like that.
[30-May-2007 09:46:43] <VlaDar> cluther : not necessarely ... can I just change dec class for my WS ?
[30-May-2007 09:46:58] <VlaDar> cluther : not necessarely ... can I just change Devices class for my WS ?
[30-May-2007 09:47:04] <Bulwinkle> has anyone had problems opening graphs in Internet Exploder?
[30-May-2007 09:47:29] <cluther> VlaDar: That'd be easier. You can add it to a Workstations group to keep them organized.
[30-May-2007 09:47:47] <cluther> Bulwinkle: 2.0 really doesn't work well at all in Internet Explorer.
[30-May-2007 09:48:10] <Bulwinkle> cluther: Yeah, I'm getting that
[30-May-2007 09:48:15] <Bulwinkle> Any fixes?
[30-May-2007 09:50:09] <VlaDar> cluther : thanks ... I changed mi /Device Class ... now I have just to wait & see or I have to remodel the device ?
[30-May-2007 09:50:47] <cluther> VlaDar: You may want to remodel. There are a different set of modeling plugins defined for Server/Linux.
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[30-May-2007 09:54:27] <VlaDar> cluther : thanks
[30-May-2007 09:54:50] <crazyal> Hey, do Zenoss developers hang around in the channel? from time to time
[30-May-2007 09:59:12] <Bulwinkle> crazyal: very rarely
[30-May-2007 09:59:48] <cluther> crazyal: Occasionally.. they're more likely to see comments on the forum or mailing list.
[30-May-2007 10:00:33] <cluther> crazyal: Why do you ask?
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[30-May-2007 10:28:30] <crazyal> cool, was just curious. I do alot of work in data visualisation, could've been interesting to get involved
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[30-May-2007 10:36:22] <cluther_> crazyal: That sounds great. The code is easy to jump into, and they are very receptive to patches from the community.
[30-May-2007 10:37:31] <crazyal> cluther_: excellent I'll give it a go, makes stats a little more interesting to explore
[30-May-2007 10:38:22] <cluther_> crazyal: I've some interest in data visualization myself. What tools do you typically use?
[30-May-2007 10:39:08] <crazyal> cluther_: I've experimented with many but now I usually use Flash, because you can make it interactive and more fluid
[30-May-2007 10:39:26] <crazyal> it's not ideal for huge data sets but other than that it can work very well
[30-May-2007 10:39:43] <cluther_> Cool.. the folks at digg seem to be doing something interesting things with it.
[30-May-2007 10:40:01] <crazyal> yeah there've been quite a few nice experiments from those guys
[30-May-2007 10:40:57] <crazyal> cluther_: This is a nice site if you like that sort of thing http://www.visualcomplexity.com/
[30-May-2007 10:41:10] <cluther_> Thanks, I'll have to check it out.
[30-May-2007 10:41:30] <adytum-bot> Title: visualcomplexity.com | A visual exploration on mapping complex networks (at www.visualcomplexity.com)
[30-May-2007 10:41:43] <crazyal> thanks bot lol
[30-May-2007 10:42:15] <crazyal> cluther_: I haven't actually setup Zenoss yet, I take it you like it though?
[30-May-2007 10:42:44] <cluther_> crazyal: You take it correctly.
[30-May-2007 10:43:23] <crazyal> cluther_: excellent
[30-May-2007 10:43:24] <cluther_> crazyal: I started replacing Nagios plus a ton of customizations with it about three months ago. I was active in the community, and now I work for Zenos.
[30-May-2007 10:43:55] <crazyal> cluther_: Oh excellent! so you know your stuff
[30-May-2007 10:44:36] <cluther_> Sure thing. If you know the visualization part, I can definitely tell you how to get the data out.
[30-May-2007 10:44:50] <crazyal> cluther_: Do you think it would be possible for me to setup Zenoss on a dedicated machine but over a public network? And use some sort of secure SNMP connection? Or is that really a bad idea?
[30-May-2007 10:45:15] <crazyal> cluther_: THAT WOULD BE GREAT. That's the only thing holding me back, if I can get the data out I can start playing with it
[30-May-2007 10:45:18] <cluther_> crazyal: I'd suggest setting using a VPN of some sort back to the monitored network.
[30-May-2007 10:45:41] <crazyal> the network I am monitoring does have VPN setup actually
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[30-May-2007 11:29:43] <dmnd> crazyal: thanks for that site, it's cool
[30-May-2007 11:30:31] <crazyal> dmnd: no probs, it's really useful
[30-May-2007 11:30:42] <dmnd> i passed it along to some collegues
[30-May-2007 11:30:48] <dmnd> to bad you cannot order posters of it
[30-May-2007 11:30:49] <dmnd>
[30-May-2007 11:30:57] <dmnd> would be cool in our labs
[30-May-2007 11:31:33] <crazyal> yeah :-D
[30-May-2007 11:31:36] <crazyal> labs? sounds cool
[30-May-2007 11:31:53] <dmnd> it is
[30-May-2007 11:31:53] <dmnd>
[30-May-2007 11:32:03] <crazyal> dmnd: Take a look at this too, very interesting lecture, academic but useful http://www.bestechvideos.com/2007/04/12/15-views-of-a-node-link-graph-an-information-visualization-portfolio/
[30-May-2007 11:32:03] <adytum-bot> Title: 15 Views of a Node Link Graph: An Information Visualization Portfolio :: Tech Videos, Screencasts, Tutorials, Webinars, Techtalks, Tutorials (at www.bestechvideos.com)
[30-May-2007 11:32:13] <crazyal> What kind of labs if I may be so bold as to ask!
[30-May-2007 11:32:50] <dmnd> network gear
[30-May-2007 11:33:34] <dmnd> http://gallery.null0.nl/main.php?g2_itemId=5762 is one closet
[30-May-2007 11:33:34] <adytum-bot> Title: Cisco Networks (at gallery.null0.nl)
[30-May-2007 11:33:34] <crazyal> excellent
[30-May-2007 11:33:42] <crazyal> nice :-D
[30-May-2007 11:34:12] <crazyal> I'm hosting with Softlayer, I really want to visit their Datacenter, stuff like that is cool
[30-May-2007 11:34:27] <dmnd> you need hosting then?
[30-May-2007 11:36:24] <dmnd> bbl, f00ds0r ;>
[30-May-2007 11:36:46] <crazyal> hosting indeed!
[30-May-2007 11:39:54] <crazyal> I've looked into hosting for months, it's not easy to find good hosting
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[30-May-2007 11:50:51] <aikie> how can I use a custom MIB in zenoss?
[30-May-2007 11:51:10] <aikie> I have a MIB for squid, but I don't know how to use it
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[30-May-2007 11:54:57] <b52laptop> crazyal, what could yu recommand like compagny for dedicated servers?
[30-May-2007 11:55:36] <creiht> b52laptop: I would recommend Rackspace, but then I might be a bit biased
[30-May-2007 11:55:40] <crazyal> b52laptop: I'd say 100% Softlayer, good prices, good support even though it's not managed. And in the price range, they're the first company I've seen that really emphasizes the private network
[30-May-2007 11:56:08] <crazyal> Rackspace is only good if you can afford to buy the big stuff, not for single boxes in my opinion
[30-May-2007 11:56:29] <crazyal> they're sales support and support is awesome obviously
[30-May-2007 11:56:35] <creiht> crazyal: It's not for everyone
[30-May-2007 11:56:59] <creiht> If you don't want to worry about your servers going down at 2am then you go with us
[30-May-2007 11:57:00] <b52laptop> creiht, argghh i forget that you re working there
(may be one day i will got my app server in rackspace / but i am stile poor .... , if i become rich i will come to rackspace )[30-May-2007 11:57:09] <creiht> hehe
[30-May-2007 11:57:13] <creiht> I understand
[30-May-2007 11:57:14] <b52laptop> crazyal, rackspace offer managed servers
[30-May-2007 11:57:22] <b52laptop> i want unmannaged ones
[30-May-2007 11:57:38] <b52laptop> creiht, so if i come true you i got discount
[30-May-2007 11:57:43] <crazyal> Softlayer is unmanaged but will still help you
[30-May-2007 11:57:51] <b52laptop> creiht, just joking ..... :d
[30-May-2007 11:57:53] <creiht> hehe
[30-May-2007 11:57:54] <creiht>
[30-May-2007 11:58:05] <crazyal> Rackspace bandwidth is the best but the cost is crazy
[30-May-2007 11:58:05] <b52laptop> crazyal, hm ok
[30-May-2007 11:58:07] <creiht> I don't even get a discount if I want a real server
[30-May-2007 11:58:27] <b52laptop> creiht, errr !! ; ok ....
[30-May-2007 11:58:39] <creiht> crazyal: Note that we also only bill on outgoing BW, we don't count incoming
[30-May-2007 11:58:49] <creiht> but yeah it is very good bandwidth
[30-May-2007 11:58:53] <crazyal> creiht: yeah very true, that would make a difference
[30-May-2007 11:58:54] <creiht> You get what you pay for
[30-May-2007 11:59:09] <creiht> I do get a very basic box... enough to run my blog
[30-May-2007 11:59:29] <b52laptop>
[30-May-2007 11:59:36] <crazyal> I'm getting a cluster anyway so not too worried about downtime hehe
[30-May-2007 12:00:03] <b52laptop> crazyal, cluster= ? how many machine / on the same corp ?
[30-May-2007 12:00:06] <creiht> hehe... clusters don't fix everything
[30-May-2007 12:00:14] <b52laptop> why ?
[30-May-2007 12:00:14] <creiht> They still go down at 2:00am
[30-May-2007 12:00:21] <crazyal> nah I know but I just find it cool
[30-May-2007 12:00:22] <creiht> just less often
[30-May-2007 12:00:34] <crazyal> b52laptop: 6 boxes, Softlayer, with hardware load balancers
[30-May-2007 12:00:46] <b52laptop> crazyal, hm nice !!
[30-May-2007 12:01:03] <crazyal> the prices for the load balancers are really good actually, fair prices
[30-May-2007 12:01:35] <crazyal> but as creiht mentions the support at Rackspace is awesome, quality stuff all around, but they will charge for absolutely everything
[30-May-2007 12:01:40] <b52laptop> i think it's hard to make clusters but whith different compagnies ? i mean on different datacenters to avoid to be "down "
[30-May-2007 12:01:52] <crazyal> not generous with the equipment etc... in my VERY limited experience though!
[30-May-2007 12:02:19] <crazyal> b52laptop: a cluster can't run properly across a public network, it's not really a cluster if you do that
[30-May-2007 12:02:33] <creiht> The main difference for us is the service
[30-May-2007 12:02:41] <creiht> You pay for it
[30-May-2007 12:02:46] <creiht> But you also sleep better at night
[30-May-2007 12:02:59] <creiht> because you know that if a server goes down at 2:00am we will take care of it
[30-May-2007 12:03:04] <crazyal> creiht: and it's all 24 hours etc... and people are polite and stuff which is nice
[30-May-2007 12:03:13] <b52laptop> crazyal, even if you do a vpn betwwen the 2 side ? i mean imagine 2 clutsers with load balancing but in a different areas
[30-May-2007 12:03:32] <creiht> anyways... enough selling... I'm here for Zenoss
[30-May-2007 12:03:59] <crazyal> b52laptop: You could do that but I'd see that as more of a backup, not a performance boost. The performance comes from having hardware load balancers on the a private network
[30-May-2007 12:04:14] <b52laptop> creiht,
[30-May-2007 12:04:17] <crazyal> that's my understanding anyway! I'm sure I could be proven wrong
[30-May-2007 12:04:37] <crazyal> creiht: Is the atmosphere quite nice there? when you go to work and stuff?
[30-May-2007 12:04:41] <crazyal> sorry to mention it again! lol
[30-May-2007 12:04:48] <b52laptop> crazyal, hm ok
[30-May-2007 12:05:30] <creiht> crazyal: It rocks... I love working here, and most others do as well
[30-May-2007 12:05:40] <creiht> It is very relaxed atmosphere
[30-May-2007 12:05:46] <crazyal> creiht: cool, that makes a difference to the service too I guess
[30-May-2007 12:05:49] <creiht> oh yeah
[30-May-2007 12:06:16] <creiht> I develop internal software here, so I'm not on the support floor
[30-May-2007 12:06:21] <crazyal> creiht: I know you can easily lie but how are the tech guys? always learning or just getting by? And I know it's impossible to generalise!
[30-May-2007 12:06:23] <creiht> But the teams are very close nit
[30-May-2007 12:06:27] <crazyal> cool
[30-May-2007 12:07:47] <creiht> crazyal: It varys a bit
[30-May-2007 12:08:03] <creiht> One of the nice things here is that they have a really good training program
[30-May-2007 12:08:34] <creiht> So people come in that may not know much, but we immerse them very quickly
[30-May-2007 12:08:43] <crazyal> creiht: so most of them will have a kinda base knowledge to run things.
[30-May-2007 12:08:49] <creiht> Note that I don't speak officially for my employer
[30-May-2007 12:09:03] <creiht> And we have several levels of techs
[30-May-2007 12:09:07] <crazyal> You little evangelist you!
[30-May-2007 12:09:12] <creiht> haha
[30-May-2007 12:09:24] <creiht> So more difficult things can be sent up the chain
[30-May-2007 12:09:41] <creiht> but overall I would say we have very competent people
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[30-May-2007 12:10:24] <crazyal> creiht: I was going to look into it again at some point, when I know more about my requirements and the app has been running for a few months. Get a sense of usage etc...
[30-May-2007 12:10:48] <creiht> cool
[30-May-2007 12:11:58] <b52laptop> creiht, are you extending zenoss in rack .... ? so you are doing python specificlly or others technologies ?
[30-May-2007 12:13:30] <creiht> b52laptop: We have several internal systems that are running on various technologies. Many of those (which I work on) use Python
[30-May-2007 12:13:54] <creiht> I use zenoss to monitor our internal production systems
[30-May-2007 12:14:02] <b52laptop> hm ok
[30-May-2007 12:14:25] <creiht> I would like to see zenoss used more here, but that is outside the realm of what I have influence over
[30-May-2007 12:14:36] <b52laptop>
[30-May-2007 12:17:23] <crazyal> creiht: I love me some Python, I use Django for my web apps
[30-May-2007 12:25:32] <creiht> crazyal: I wish we were using cool stuff like that
[30-May-2007 12:25:43] <crazyal> creiht: hehe it's alot of fun
[30-May-2007 12:25:44] <creiht> But we have been doing python web apps long before any of that was available
[30-May-2007 12:25:56] <crazyal> creiht: I bet! Python has a long history of coolness
[30-May-2007 12:26:00] <creiht> hehe
[30-May-2007 12:26:10] <creiht> Though I am more partial to pylons myself
[30-May-2007 12:26:26] <crazyal> I haven't tried it to be honest
[30-May-2007 12:26:36] <creiht> Depends on what your needs are
[30-May-2007 12:26:53] <creiht> pylons is a bit more flexible
[30-May-2007 12:27:02] <creiht> But with that flexibility comes a bit more complexity
[30-May-2007 12:27:08] <creiht> not much though
[30-May-2007 12:28:13] <crazyal> heard of plone too? some sort of CMS thing
[30-May-2007 12:28:21] <creiht> yeah... I have used it quite a bit
[30-May-2007 12:28:25] <creiht> awefully slow
[30-May-2007 12:28:32] <creiht> but can be quite uesfull
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[30-May-2007 12:28:54] <creiht> Zenoss is based off of Zope which is what Plone is based off of
[30-May-2007 12:29:04] * b52laptop is planning to do plone business in the future :d (lkearning at the moment ...)
[30-May-2007 12:29:08] <creiht> Well the UI is at least
[30-May-2007 12:30:18] <crazyal> Django is a full-stack framework. Pylons and TurboGears are glue frameworks
[30-May-2007 12:30:26] <crazyal> (just quoting a site)
[30-May-2007 12:30:58] <creiht> crazyal: hehe
[30-May-2007 12:31:01] <b52laptop> but for cms stuff , i think plone , even if he is slow and COMPLICATED but do the job
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[30-May-2007 12:31:25] <creiht> b52laptop: Plone is very capable
[30-May-2007 12:31:42] <creiht> btw... You can speed it quite a bit by using a squid proxy cache
[30-May-2007 12:31:42] <crazyal> does plone generate interfaces for you etc...? it helps you with all that?
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[30-May-2007 12:32:08] <crazyal> templates I mean I guess
[30-May-2007 12:32:32] <b52laptop> creiht, yeah ...
[30-May-2007 12:32:43] <b52laptop> crazyal, "template " =
[30-May-2007 12:32:44] <crazyal> I do development in Flex and Flash so I only use the frameworks as a backend and to build an API
[30-May-2007 12:32:53] <b52laptop> hm flex !!
[30-May-2007 12:32:57] <crazyal> yeah see I don't need the templates
so just want me some speed[30-May-2007 12:32:58] <creiht> blech!
[30-May-2007 12:33:22] <b52laptop> crazyal, do you got an example of a web app developped in flex ?
[30-May-2007 12:33:26] <crazyal> You can't really beat it when you need advanced interactive elements, data visualisation etc...
[30-May-2007 12:33:33] <creiht> crazyal: Have you taken a look at:
[30-May-2007 12:33:36] <creiht> extjs.com
[30-May-2007 12:33:44] <crazyal> b52laptop: the best ones are internal
[30-May-2007 12:33:51] <b52laptop> crazyal, ok
[30-May-2007 12:34:07] <crazyal> b52laptop: http://www.picnik.com/app try that in Ajax...
[30-May-2007 12:34:07] <adytum-bot> Title: Picnik (at www.picnik.com)
[30-May-2007 12:34:16] <crazyal> creiht: no haven't seen that before
[30-May-2007 12:34:24] <creiht> picnik is very nice
[30-May-2007 12:34:54] <crazyal> Flex is still new, and at the moment it's mostly used for CMS applications and data management
[30-May-2007 12:35:03] <b52laptop> crazyal, what will you recommand like ajax framework / dojo ?
[30-May-2007 12:35:25] <creiht> b52laptop: http://extjs.com
[30-May-2007 12:35:25] <adytum-bot> Title: Ext JS - JavaScript Library (at extjs.com)
[30-May-2007 12:35:25] <crazyal> b52laptop: dojo is good, but to be honest I'm not very much into Ajax
[30-May-2007 12:35:42] <b52laptop> creiht, ok :d
[30-May-2007 12:36:48] <crazyal> like the data visualisation stuff, you pretty much have to use Flash or Flex for that. If you want it online and dynamic
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[30-May-2007 12:37:27] <creiht> crazyal: Do you have a link to an example of what you are talking about?
[30-May-2007 12:37:33] <bzed> flash sucks
[30-May-2007 12:37:36] <creiht> hehe
[30-May-2007 12:38:05] <crazyal> http://www.visualcomplexity.com/vc/ projects like that but animated
[30-May-2007 12:38:05] <adytum-bot> Title: visualcomplexity.com | A visual exploration on mapping complex networks (at www.visualcomplexity.com)
[30-May-2007 12:38:10] <crazyal> come on now lets not start a bashing war
[30-May-2007 12:38:20] <creiht> I'm not... just curious
[30-May-2007 12:38:26] <crazyal> I meant bzed
[30-May-2007 12:38:30] <creiht> oh
[30-May-2007 12:38:31] <creiht> hehe
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[30-May-2007 12:39:05] <creiht> That can be done with JS
[30-May-2007 12:39:08] <crazyal> Flash works more like a real application, application behaviour in AJAX is more of a hack
[30-May-2007 12:39:23] <bzed> crazyal: no, it jsut sucks becuase it's slow on old computers, and it doesn't even work on 64bit browsers yet
[30-May-2007 12:39:24] <crazyal> You can't do Flash type animations in JS
[30-May-2007 12:39:35] <crazyal> bzed: who gives a shit about old computers?
[30-May-2007 12:39:45] <b52laptop> crazyal, me
[30-May-2007 12:39:47] <bzed> crazyal: every sysadmin
[30-May-2007 12:39:54] <creiht> advanced JS is going to be slow in old servers as well
[30-May-2007 12:40:10] <bzed> sure, but it'll run with more browsers than flash
[30-May-2007 12:40:13] <crazyal> bzed: I do work for 3 of the top 10 biggest banks in the World. trust me JS and slow computers isn't their concern
[30-May-2007 12:40:20] <crazyal> not for internal applications
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[30-May-2007 12:40:49] <crazyal> and it takes alot more time to get results in JS
[30-May-2007 12:41:06] <crazyal> you can't animate things properly in JS, you couldn't animate diagrams and make things truly interactive
[30-May-2007 12:41:16] <creiht> crazyal: That's not as true now as it used to be
[30-May-2007 12:41:20] <crazyal> and if you could it would take you hours, days. In Flash, 2 seconds
[30-May-2007 12:41:28] <crazyal> creiht: no but it's still true, it would still be a poor choice
[30-May-2007 12:41:49] <creiht> Right tool for the right job
[30-May-2007 12:41:53] <crazyal> exactly
[30-May-2007 12:41:57] <bzed> crazyal: not all people do so
[30-May-2007 12:42:01] <creiht> It's going to be different for different people
[30-May-2007 12:42:54] <crazyal> different needs, different tools
[30-May-2007 12:43:37] <creiht> For example Flash wouldn't fly here very well
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[30-May-2007 12:43:50] <creiht> Over half of the workforce uses Linux
[30-May-2007 12:43:59] <creiht> And most of those guys don't want to mess with flash
[30-May-2007 12:44:17] <crazyal> You wouldn't want to force people to learn Flash
[30-May-2007 12:44:34] <crazyal> the ebay intranet is in Flex for example
[30-May-2007 12:44:41] <crazyal> in terms of user experience, you can't beat it
[30-May-2007 12:44:52] <crazyal> but it's not always about user experience
[30-May-2007 12:45:14] <creiht> I wish you could see the UI that I just rolled out this week
[30-May-2007 12:45:26] <crazyal>
good stuff?[30-May-2007 12:45:35] <creiht> I think so
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[30-May-2007 12:45:46] <creiht> Much better than what we have had in the past
[30-May-2007 12:46:08] <crazyal> people seem to forget the amount of work needed though. To create a top of the range AJAX site, you need a team.
[30-May-2007 12:46:33] <crazyal> you can create interfaces ALOT quicker in Flex and Flash
[30-May-2007 12:46:45] <creiht> crazyal: For a quick easy example of what is possible with the ExtJS framework:
[30-May-2007 12:46:58] <creiht> http://www.extjs.com/deploy/ext/examples/layout/feed-viewer.html
[30-May-2007 12:46:58] <adytum-bot> Title: RSS Feed Viewer 2.0 (at www.extjs.com)
[30-May-2007 12:47:22] <crazyal> nice
[30-May-2007 12:47:23] <b52laptop> crazyal, flex got a environment dev working under linux ?
[30-May-2007 12:47:28] <creiht> crazyal: I would argure that for me, I could create an interface a lot faster in JS than I could in flash
[30-May-2007 12:47:41] <creiht> But it is so much more than just creating the interface
[30-May-2007 12:47:50] <creiht> You have to hook it up to a backend as well
[30-May-2007 12:48:05] <crazyal> creiht: How do you keep state in AJAX applications? Cache?
[30-May-2007 12:48:24] <creiht> crazyal: Depends
[30-May-2007 12:49:08] <crazyal> It's alot easier to keep and track state using Flex, alot more can be done client side
[30-May-2007 12:49:13] <crazyal> which is a massive speed boost
[30-May-2007 12:49:16] <creiht> ExtJS has some pretty nice state management functionality
[30-May-2007 12:49:27] <creiht> All done client side
[30-May-2007 12:49:41] <crazyal> and working on all browsers? I doubt it
[30-May-2007 12:49:45] <creiht> yup
[30-May-2007 12:49:57] <creiht> Firefox 1.5+ IE 6+ and Safari
[30-May-2007 12:50:05] <creiht> At least those are the ones we are concerned with
[30-May-2007 12:50:11] <crazyal> yeah fair enough
[30-May-2007 12:50:13] <creiht> I think it works in opera as well
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[30-May-2007 12:50:19] <creiht> But we don't actively test it
[30-May-2007 12:50:23] <crazyal> anyway you make your millions with Ajax and I'll make my millions with Flash
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[30-May-2007 12:50:28] <crazyal> :-D
[30-May-2007 12:50:28] <creiht> exactly
[30-May-2007 12:50:45] <creiht> Except for I will make 1 million more
[30-May-2007 12:50:58] <crazyal> have you made some millions already?
[30-May-2007 12:51:06] <creiht> hehe
[30-May-2007 12:51:07] <creiht> nah
[30-May-2007 12:51:15] * b52laptop remmeber crazyal and creiht if he either need help in ajax or flex
[30-May-2007 12:51:31] <creiht> And I probably wont
[30-May-2007 12:51:37] <creiht> I'm content though
[30-May-2007 12:52:07] <crazyal> content is good!
[30-May-2007 12:52:09] <crazyal> b52laptop: lol
[30-May-2007 12:52:16] <b52laptop> ;d
[30-May-2007 12:52:30] <crazyal> Anyway guys, I'm off to do some development.... in FLEX! :-D
[30-May-2007 12:52:35] <crazyal> nice chat
[30-May-2007 12:53:16] <b52laptop> crazyal, see you :d
[30-May-2007 12:55:18] <creiht> hehe
[30-May-2007 12:55:22] <creiht> crazyal: Nice talking to you
[30-May-2007 12:55:24] <creiht> good luck
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[30-May-2007 12:57:06] <crazyal> thanks!
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[30-May-2007 14:23:03] <aaahhh> can someone help me setup zenwin for a domain environment for the zenoss beta
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[30-May-2007 14:25:21] <aaahhh> i get an error saying bad wmi state
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[30-May-2007 15:56:20] <sbb> {Zenoss 1.1.0} How do I monitor a custom http port? (proxy server running on 8080)
[30-May-2007 16:02:24] <bzed> use the nagios plugins
[30-May-2007 16:02:49] <bzed> a howto is in the documentation on zenoss.com
[30-May-2007 16:16:23] <sbb> ok, thanks, didn't know if there was a way other than the nagios plugins.
[30-May-2007 16:23:35] <lawnchair> does zenoss rely on nagios checking mechanisms to monitor services
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[30-May-2007 16:52:00] <creiht> lawnchair: No, but it allows you to use nagios checks if you need to
[30-May-2007 16:52:05] <lawnchair> ok
[30-May-2007 16:52:11] <lawnchair> does zenoss rely on snmp for checks?
[30-May-2007 16:52:37] <creiht> lawnchair: That is one way for it to do checks
[30-May-2007 16:52:46] <creiht> It can collect data through many means
[30-May-2007 16:52:48] <lawnchair> ewll i guess im wondering if it invented it's own way like nr pe
[30-May-2007 16:52:54] <creiht> snmp is primary
[30-May-2007 16:52:57] * lawnchair nods
[30-May-2007 16:53:02] <creiht> you can also use nagios
[30-May-2007 16:53:06] <creiht> or ssh
[30-May-2007 16:53:19] <creiht> or some plugin scripts that they have created
[30-May-2007 16:53:21] <lawnchair> using nrpe would make transition easier nagios -> zenoss
[30-May-2007 16:53:30] <lawnchair> so i like that
[30-May-2007 16:55:18] <taupe> can it ssh to a system or mstsc in and grab info that way
[30-May-2007 16:55:31] <lawnchair> i think htats a shitty method
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[30-May-2007 16:57:30] <taupe> ..
[30-May-2007 16:59:27] <creiht> taupe: If you really need to then yes
[30-May-2007 16:59:39] <taupe> ok
[30-May-2007 16:59:40] <creiht> That is not very scalable though
[30-May-2007 17:00:06] <bzed> there're remote agents coming in 2.1
[30-May-2007 17:00:09] <taupe> it ensures things like being able to actually ssh to a machine which is important to our environment.
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[30-May-2007 17:35:35] <taupe> hm
[30-May-2007 17:36:12] <taupe> the ssCpuRawUser 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.11.50.0 snmp trap doesn't work on my rhel machine.
[30-May-2007 17:36:33] <taupe> sorry the 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.11.54.0 not the .50
[30-May-2007 17:36:43] <taupe> ssCpuRawWait
[30-May-2007 17:37:19] <taupe> meaning the CPU utilization doesn't graph
[30-May-2007 17:37:20] <taupe> any ideas?
[30-May-2007 17:45:18] <lawnchair> thats a bad way to ensure ssh connectivity
[30-May-2007 17:49:34] <taupe> lawnchair: it's not ssh connectivity - it's login availability
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[31-May-2007 01:29:15] <jakehow> trying to start zenoss for the first time and its lookin like this... http://pastie.caboo.se/66416
[31-May-2007 01:29:17] <adytum-bot> Title: #66416 - Pastie (at pastie.caboo.se)
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[31-May-2007 01:30:53] <jakehow> is that a permissions issue or something?
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[31-May-2007 08:11:26] <jp10558> Does anyone know what the winexe error : ERROR: Cannot open control pipe - NT_STATUS_OBJECT_NAME_NOT_FOUND means? Is this a connection issue, or an authentication issue ?
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[31-May-2007 08:21:32] <jp10558> anyone know where to get help with winexe problems?
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[31-May-2007 08:49:30] <kfh2> <warning: stupid newb question in 3... 2.... 1....>
[31-May-2007 08:50:12] <kfh2> So, I've got a selection of devices where I want to send an email if they're down. I can't quite seem to figure out how you're supposed to do this from the manual.
[31-May-2007 08:51:09] <kfh2> I've got that you have to set up an alert to send an email, but how do I flag specific hosts so that they trigger the email if they go down? is it by class (so I have to put the device in a class that specifies the alerts I want)?
[31-May-2007 08:57:30] <jp10558> You can under alert rules specify devices to match on
[31-May-2007 08:57:39] <jp10558> but it would be easier I think if you grouped them into a class
[31-May-2007 09:01:34] <kfh2> but if I have a machine that is, say both a build machine and a web server and I have different alerting rules for those two types of thing what do I do? I can't put a single device in more than one class
[31-May-2007 09:01:52] <kfh2> Are "Groups" the answer to this, and I need to dig deeper into how groups work?
[31-May-2007 09:11:50] <jp10558> I don't really know on that
[31-May-2007 09:12:06] <jp10558> You want different alerts based on what with the above machine?
[31-May-2007 09:12:24] <jp10558> You could create one alerting rule for IP based services (HTTP etc)
[31-May-2007 09:12:41] <jp10558> and one that alerts on somethine else (low memory?)
[31-May-2007 09:13:48] <jp10558> Take a look at the choices for specifying alert rules
[31-May-2007 09:14:16] <jp10558> you can do an or on devices
[31-May-2007 09:16:12] <hspcd> Hi all, I've just installed the 1.9.6 beta on Centos 4.4 and the install seemed to go just fine. However I get the following message when I attempt to access the webUI: Site error An error was encountered while publishing this resource. The requested resource does not exist. Please click here to return to the Zenoss dashboard
[31-May-2007 09:16:12] <hspcd> Anyone else seen this or have a suggestion?
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[31-May-2007 10:00:05] <hspcd> bump...
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[31-May-2007 10:34:19] <enots> zenoss.com broken...
[31-May-2007 10:35:09] <enots> community.zenoss.com
[31-May-2007 10:35:15] * enots sigh
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[31-May-2007 10:38:26] <crazyal> what's up lads?
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[31-May-2007 12:26:21] <hspcd> anyone having this issue when installing beta 2 on RHEL4? --12:24:29-- http://localhost.localdomain:8080/zport/dmd/DeviceLoader/loadDevice?deviceName=localhost.localdomain&devicePath=/Server/Linux
[31-May-2007 12:26:21] <hspcd> => `/dev/null'
[31-May-2007 12:26:21] <hspcd> Resolving localhost.localdomain... 127.0.0.1
[31-May-2007 12:26:21] <hspcd> Connecting to localhost.localdomain|127.0.0.1|:8080... connected.
[31-May-2007 12:26:21] <hspcd> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error
[31-May-2007 12:26:21] <hspcd> 12:24:30 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.
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[31-May-2007 12:42:42] <scrip> hey guys
[31-May-2007 12:43:02] <scrip> I'm having trouble making the ssh monitoring collect data, it seems to be very incomplete
[31-May-2007 12:43:42] <scrip> it has disk partitions sizes, but not space used or available, and it knows what network interfaces the box has, but not the traffic that those interfaces are using.
[31-May-2007 12:44:03] <scrip> is this just a limitation of the ssh monitoring interface? would a newer bleeding-edge set of plugins be more likely to find data?
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[31-May-2007 14:40:56] <hspcd> anyone here had luck getting 1.9.6 to install properly and run on CentOS 4?
[31-May-2007 14:42:53] <hspcd> anyone really give a rat's ass?
[31-May-2007 14:44:43] <creiht> hspcd: heh
[31-May-2007 14:45:12] <creiht> Most of us here have day jobs as well
[31-May-2007 14:45:40] <creiht> And I haven't installed 1.9.6 on a RPM system
[31-May-2007 14:46:14] <creiht> actually I haven't installed 1.9.6 yet at all
[31-May-2007 14:46:30] <creiht> What problem are you having? Ask and hopefully someone will answer when they get a sec
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[31-May-2007 14:47:10] <creiht> Another avenue is that you can post on the forum. Most of the devs watch the mailinglist/forum
[31-May-2007 14:50:36] <hspcd> maybe I'll post....
[31-May-2007 15:04:22] <scrip> hspcd: and no, no rats asses have been given that I am aware of, my forum posts remain unanswered
[31-May-2007 15:05:03] <scrip> hspcd: but I'll help you out if I can, whats the error you're getting?
[31-May-2007 15:05:42] <scrip> hspcd: also, the source install I ran on a debian box was relatively painless once I found all the prereqs
[31-May-2007 15:06:08] <aaahhh> oh i have a question too
[31-May-2007 15:06:22] <aaahhh> for monitoring windows hardware and installed software
[31-May-2007 15:06:25] <aaahhh> do you need snmp
[31-May-2007 15:06:31] <aaahhh> or can you just use zenwiin
[31-May-2007 15:06:50] <scrip> aaahhh: no, you should be able to use snmp if you want, but its my understanding that zenwin can do it
[31-May-2007 15:07:04] <scrip> aaahhh: but I'm a unix guy, no idea how to use it on windows
[31-May-2007 15:07:16] <aaahhh> damn
[31-May-2007 15:07:26] <aaahhh> well i got zenwin to work in an domain environment
[31-May-2007 15:07:30] <aaahhh> it detects the services
[31-May-2007 15:07:32] <aaahhh> but nothing else
[31-May-2007 15:07:56] <aaahhh> and i didn't install snmp yet
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[31-May-2007 15:53:10] <creiht> aaahhh: On Windows boxes there is a standard MS SNMP service
[31-May-2007 15:53:17] <creiht> That gives basic info
[31-May-2007 15:53:27] <creiht> You can suppliment it with snmp-informant
[31-May-2007 15:53:33] <creiht> Which exposes all snmp info
[31-May-2007 15:53:41] <creiht> It's pretty easy to set up
[31-May-2007 15:53:53] <aaahhh> well i know that ms has an snmp service
[31-May-2007 15:54:16] <aaahhh> my question is what all does the WMI provide
[31-May-2007 15:54:23] <aaahhh> can it all be done with WMI
[31-May-2007 15:54:29] <aaahhh> or do i still need SNMP to be setup
[31-May-2007 15:54:33] <creiht> I haven't used zenwin, so I couldn't tell you
[31-May-2007 15:54:38] <creiht> sorry
[31-May-2007 15:54:47] <creiht> But I get everything that I need through snmp
[31-May-2007 15:54:51] <aaahhh> lol
[31-May-2007 15:55:01] <aaahhh> yea i use snmp for my cacti on my network
[31-May-2007 15:55:36] <aaahhh> but i was just wondering if zenoss can do everything with WMI and not require snmp for windows boxes
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[31-May-2007 15:58:46] <smclewin> I have a agent architectural question about zenoss.
[31-May-2007 16:01:47] <smclewin> The systems my company manages are 98% behind other corporate firewalls - we essentially sell an appliance. Our current home grown management solution reaches out from the appliance to a web service running in our NOC, which collects the data and forwards it on to our stats database. From the zenoss web site it appears that it assumes agents are running with IP connectivity between the box...
[31-May-2007 16:01:49] <smclewin> ...being monitored and the zenoss core. Is this true, or is there a deployment option that would fit our pattern?
[31-May-2007 16:02:33] <smclewin> We have no IP routing from the NOC to the client boxes, only from the client appliance box back to our facility, via the public internet.
[31-May-2007 16:03:44] <smclewin> Only ports 80 and/or 443 are allowed out of the appliance box too.
[31-May-2007 16:20:45] <creiht> smclewin: I'm not sure, other than I know that question has been asked quite a lot
[31-May-2007 16:20:47] <scrip> you could create a command plugin to retrieve that data, as long as there was some process that actually pushed it from your client boxes to a server you can connect to
[31-May-2007 16:21:28] <creiht> smclewin: Try searching the forums on community.zenoss.com
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[31-May-2007 16:21:47] <creiht> I seem to remember seeing a lot of questions go by like that
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[31-May-2007 17:10:16] <smclewin> Ok. I searched the forums for 'firewall' before coming here, being at a loss for other good keywords that might be related to the question. What would you search for in the forum to find topics that may help me?
[31-May-2007 17:11:51] <smclewin> scrip: I'll go search more on command plugins. I take it that is a component that works against an API exposed by the agent that runs on one of the boxes being monitored?
[31-May-2007 17:16:07] <scrip> smclewin: command can be used to execute a script on the zenoss host (monitoring system) or over ssh on a remote system (in which case you have to install the script)
[31-May-2007 17:17:02] <creiht> smclewin: I don't think command plugins will do what you want though, because those are initiated from the zenoss server
[31-May-2007 17:17:09] <creiht> And not the firewalled clients
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[31-May-2007 17:19:11] <smclewin> scrip: ah, therein lies the problem. If we installed a zenos host, it could not reach out to remote systems over anything. Only remote systems can reach back to us, over the public net, so security comes into play too. And only over ports 80 or 443.
[31-May-2007 17:19:44] <smclewin> Ah sorry creiht - I didn't see your reply before typing back and ended up repeating it.
[31-May-2007 17:19:48] <creiht> hehe
[31-May-2007 17:19:49] <creiht> np
[31-May-2007 17:19:53] <creiht> doing some searching
[31-May-2007 17:20:02] <smclewin> thanks
[31-May-2007 17:20:15] <creiht> Looks like the common suggestion they provide is setting up a VPN
[31-May-2007 17:20:23] <creiht> so that the server can reach the client
[31-May-2007 17:20:28] <creiht> that may not work for you though
[31-May-2007 17:20:52] <creiht> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=839&highlight=firewall
[31-May-2007 17:20:52] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Zenoss remote monitoring? (at community.zenoss.com)
[31-May-2007 17:20:52] <creiht> And I remember seeing them talk about that before as well
[31-May-2007 17:22:52] <creiht> smclewin: Do you need to monitor performance metrics, or just be notified when something goes wrong?
[31-May-2007 17:29:03] <creiht> smclewin: Yeah, for right now VPN seems to be it, until the Zenoss guys can develop a remote agent that send data back
[31-May-2007 17:29:19] <creiht> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=684&highlight=vpn
[31-May-2007 17:29:19] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Distributed monitoring for hard to get places (at community.zenoss.com)
[31-May-2007 17:29:23] <creiht> There are some other possibilities
[31-May-2007 17:29:36] <creiht> If all you need is to know when a problem happens on the remote box
[31-May-2007 17:30:02] <creiht> You could write a script that runs on the box, and when an error happens, have it manually create an event in zenoss
[31-May-2007 17:30:54] <creiht> See: http://community.zenoss.com/docs/howtos/send-events/
[31-May-2007 17:30:54] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[31-May-2007 17:30:54] <creiht> for how to do that
[31-May-2007 17:31:09] <creiht> Another option (that I admit is probably a bit far fetched)
[31-May-2007 17:31:18] <creiht> If you have control over the appliances
[31-May-2007 17:31:41] <creiht> well nm... you wouldn't want to do what I was just thinking
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[31-May-2007 17:44:55] <smclewin> creiht - I'm back and reading the links now.
[31-May-2007 17:45:12] <smclewin> (just so you don't think I've run away just as you started posting all the work you did to answer my question)
[31-May-2007 17:47:22] <creiht> hehe
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[31-May-2007 17:51:52] <smclewin> The send-events is certainly good for events, and as we do fully control the boxes this would work. Events are a small percentage of what we collect (not on bad days...
). Most of the information are performance metrics and system state - roughly 125-150 items per server. Zenoss certainly looks compelling but it appears that in its current form it won't work for our appliance boxes - I...[31-May-2007 17:51:53] <smclewin> ...appreciate your helping me figure that out. I was not seeing answers in the architecture docs nor the forums and figured it had been a decade since I'd used IRC so why not visit an old command line friend?
[31-May-2007 17:59:08] <creiht> hehe
[31-May-2007 17:59:11] <creiht> np
[31-May-2007 17:59:15] <creiht> Keep checking back
[31-May-2007 17:59:39] <creiht> This project seems to progress quite rapidly
[31-May-2007 18:03:07] <cluther> smclewin: Still around?
[31-May-2007 18:03:19] <smclewin> Yes.
[31-May-2007 18:03:53] <cluther> smclewin: I was reading back in my log about your appliance question.. are these appliances supposed to be monitoring only themselves, or the customers' networks?
[31-May-2007 18:04:06] <smclewin> Only themselves.
[31-May-2007 18:04:50] <cluther> Would running a reverse ssh tunnel over 80 or 443 be a no-no?
[31-May-2007 18:06:06] <smclewin> Probably. Are you thinking about routing IP over the ssh tunnel?
[31-May-2007 18:06:26] <cluther> No.. I was thinking of a setup something like this ...
[31-May-2007 18:07:10] <cluther> Each appliance establishes a pubkey authenticated reverse tunnel such as -L 22:localhost:22001 back to the Zenoss server.
[31-May-2007 18:07:33] <cluther> The Zenoss server then monitors each of the appliances by simply sshing to a different port on localhost.. ie 22001
[31-May-2007 18:07:52] <cluther> You wouldn't get ping monitoring or SNMP monitoring, but you could use the zenplugins pack.
[31-May-2007 18:08:15] <cluther> And it would avoid the routing issue that a lot of people would have with a typical VPN.
[31-May-2007 18:08:19] <cluther> Just a thought.
[31-May-2007 18:10:09] <smclewin> Interesting. I'm tucking this into my evaluation notebook too. My two challenges with that are exposure of the zenoss server to the 'net and then managing all of the system-to-port mappings. I'm talking hundreds of appliance servers rather than tens. And they are Win2k3, so ssh is a bolt-on (but that can be managed and is not a fact to sway either way).
[31-May-2007 18:10:19] <cluther> Although I think an OpenVPN connection with ip_forwarding turned off on both sides would be far better.
[31-May-2007 18:10:33] <cluther> People always seem to balk when I bring it up.
[31-May-2007 18:11:00] <smclewin> But I can see ways of just telling zenoss to run through a range of ports.
[31-May-2007 18:11:50] <smclewin> ...rather than having to associate port to system. Not getting SNMP would negate some of the benefits/reason for thinking of about zenoss, but I'm glad to have more options to dig through.
[31-May-2007 18:13:51] <smclewin> (heading out, I'll find out how this unfolds in the logs tomorrow)
[31-May-2007 18:25:11] <bzed> cluther: in theory you can create a vpn with the recent openssh versions
[31-May-2007 18:27:21] <cluther> bzed: Haven't tried that yet myself.
[31-May-2007 18:32:26] <bzed> I wanted to try it all the time, but... ENOTIME
[31-May-2007 18:33:20] <cluther> heh
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[31-May-2007 20:15:56] * NytWolf still needs help with his zenoss installation ;.;
[31-May-2007 20:16:15] <NytWolf> I haven't even seen the application yet.
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[31-May-2007 20:20:13] <davetoo> howdy
[31-May-2007 20:21:11] <NytWolf> Hello
[31-May-2007 20:21:32] <tessier_> hmmm
[31-May-2007 20:21:39] <tessier_> So I finally got around to setting up zenoss.
[31-May-2007 20:21:46] <tessier_> I need to learn something about snmp I guess.
[31-May-2007 20:21:59] <NytWolf> You wouldn't happened to have had compile errors for libsmi, would you?
[31-May-2007 20:22:01] <tessier_> Because right now I really don't have anything interesting being reported.
[31-May-2007 20:22:02] <davetoo> Anybody here play with the template mix-in feature of the version 2 beta?
[31-May-2007 20:22:06] <tessier_> NytWolf: Nope
[31-May-2007 20:22:11] <NytWolf> dang
[31-May-2007 20:23:16] <davetoo> ok,
[31-May-2007 20:23:35] <davetoo> how about anybody who knows what the IpServices RRDTemplate is for?
[31-May-2007 20:26:22] <NytWolf> oh crap I think I just figured it out
[31-May-2007 20:28:21] <tessier_> hmm... bin/zendisc run doesn't find anything but my local machine. But there are dozens of machines on this network. Maybe hundreds.
[31-May-2007 20:28:40] <davetoo> How many times did you run it? Which version?
[31-May-2007 20:29:13] <tessier_> I ran it three times. Just downloaded it from zenoss.org a couple days ago and compiled from source.
[31-May-2007 20:29:29] <tessier_> INFO:zen.ZenDisc:discovered 0 active ips
[31-May-2007 20:29:36] <davetoo> Did you have zAutoDiscover = True at /networks ?
[31-May-2007 20:30:03] <davetoo> is snmpd running on the host machine?
[31-May-2007 20:30:08] <tessier_> Yes and yes
[31-May-2007 20:30:30] <tessier_> The host machine is configured as a device and it did get the OS version and a few other things from the snmpd
[31-May-2007 20:30:56] <tessier_> I shouldn't have to manually add a network to /Networks should I?
[31-May-2007 20:31:09] <davetoo> Have you run 'zendisc run --routers' ?
[31-May-2007 20:31:50] <tessier_> Yes
[31-May-2007 20:31:55] <tessier_> Just once though
[31-May-2007 20:31:55] <davetoo> Try that first/next, if you have snmp access to at least your default gateway
[31-May-2007 20:31:59] <tessier_> Not sure if it found anything...
[31-May-2007 20:32:03] <davetoo> well, that should populate /networks
[31-May-2007 20:32:20] <tessier_> I should run that as user zenoss right?
[31-May-2007 20:32:23] <tessier_> I'm reading the admin guide.
[31-May-2007 20:32:40] <davetoo> yes
[31-May-2007 20:32:59] <tessier_> It says run --routers as user zenoss and then without --routers as root
[31-May-2007 20:33:19] <davetoo> hmm
[31-May-2007 20:33:29] <davetoo> don't know why you'd want to run it as root
[31-May-2007 20:33:38] <tessier_> To get a raw socket?
[31-May-2007 20:34:03] <davetoo> "Make sure that you su zenoss to make sure you are not running in root. Running zendisc as root does not work"
[31-May-2007 20:34:12] <davetoo> from the admin guide
[31-May-2007 20:34:44] <tessier_> Right and then in the next paragraph or two it says to be root
[31-May-2007 20:34:51] <tessier_> To run zendisc without --routers
[31-May-2007 20:35:07] <tessier_> Performing full discovery of all devices on the network run ZenDisc without the --routers flag. This will need to be done as root so that a raw socket for ICMP pinging can be created.
[31-May-2007 20:35:26] <tessier_> It must not use the ping binary (which is already suid root)
[31-May-2007 20:35:30] <davetoo> oh, odd, I see that
[31-May-2007 20:35:37] <tessier_> Does my hostname need to be resolvable?
[31-May-2007 20:35:57] <tessier_> It doesn't list any routers as having been discovered
[31-May-2007 20:36:24] <tessier_> http://www.pastebin.ca/526868
[31-May-2007 20:36:24] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 526868 (at www.pastebin.ca)
[31-May-2007 20:36:24] <tessier_> That's all it says
[31-May-2007 20:36:35] <tessier_> neat bot
[31-May-2007 20:37:15] <davetoo> I dunno
[31-May-2007 20:37:28] <tessier_> I guess I have more reading to do
[31-May-2007 20:37:36] <davetoo> I never set anything up *without* working DNS
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[31-May-2007 20:38:33] <davetoo> hi chet!
[31-May-2007 20:38:55] <davetoo> Mr ZenDMD
[31-May-2007 20:43:27] <davetoo> well, I"m running zendisc as user zenoss right now and it's working,
[31-May-2007 20:43:34] <davetoo> but this is 1.9.6
[31-May-2007 20:44:00] <davetoo> I don't know if it's using zenhub or .. ?
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[31-May-2007 20:51:08] <tessier__> I gave myself a static IP and put my ip and hostname in /etc/hosts so dns shouldn't be a problem and it still doesn't find anything.
[31-May-2007 20:51:29] <tessier__> Do I need to do any configuring in my snmpd.conf to tell snmp what the routers are or anythign/
[31-May-2007 20:51:31] <tessier__> ?
[31-May-2007 20:51:37] <tessier__> I just turned on the default snmpd config in FC6
[31-May-2007 20:54:21] <davetoo> I'm not sure if you can get a routemap with the default config
[31-May-2007 20:54:28] <davetoo> does the OS tab for the server show any routes?
[31-May-2007 20:55:36] <davetoo> I replaced /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf with the single line "rocommunity public"
[31-May-2007 20:55:42] <tessier__> ah, maybe that's the problem then.
[31-May-2007 20:55:45] <tessier__> It doesn't show any routes.
[31-May-2007 20:55:47] <davetoo> I think the default file has a restricted view
[31-May-2007 20:55:53] <tessier__> Yes, it does.
[31-May-2007 20:56:16] <davetoo> Now, mind you, I'm intentionally ignoring security ramifications
[31-May-2007 20:56:35] <davetoo> because the rest of our insides are so soft and gooey already that it doesn't matter
[31-May-2007 20:57:01] <tessier__> ah, it's doing much more now.
[31-May-2007 20:57:06] <tessier__> Same here.
[31-May-2007 20:57:15] <tessier__> I'll have to learn more about snmpd before doing this on external machines.
[31-May-2007 20:58:35] <tessier__> I'm also wondering what snmpd can do that ssh can't, Rather than configure snmpd everywhere I might want to go with straight ssh.
[31-May-2007 21:00:34] <davetoo> You'd have to install other agents on the monitored systems
[31-May-2007 21:00:42] <tessier__> Right.
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[31-May-2007 21:07:23] <NytWolf> cluther
[31-May-2007 21:07:35] <NytWolf> I think I found the answer to the problem you were trying to help me with a few days ago. ^^
[31-May-2007 21:07:50] <cluther> Oh yeah, what was it?
[31-May-2007 21:08:05] <NytWolf> I'm about to try again... but I think it was the password I had.
[31-May-2007 21:08:32] <NytWolf> I made the build script echo the make line... and then I tried to run that line myself and it error'd out immediately
[31-May-2007 21:08:36] <davetoo> hey cluther thanks for all the help with zendmd
[31-May-2007 21:09:02] <NytWolf> then I looked.. there is a '(' in my password... so now I'm using one with just numbers and letters
[31-May-2007 21:09:03] <davetoo> Now I just need to learn python :|
[31-May-2007 21:09:53] <cluther> davetoo: Check out "Dive Into Python" if you haven't already. I picked up Python in a couple of weeks using only that and the Zenoss source.
[31-May-2007 21:10:13] <tessier__> wow
[31-May-2007 21:10:18] <cluther> NytWolf: Ah! I've run into that problem with MySQL passwords so many times, and I always forget about it.
[31-May-2007 21:10:24] <davetoo> They haven't let me take the time to learn it the right way
Project is too important :|[31-May-2007 21:10:25] <tessier__> Install rrdtool, restart zenoss, instant rrdtool graphs. Holy shit.
[31-May-2007 21:10:35] <davetoo> silly
[31-May-2007 21:10:57] <davetoo> but yeah, I think I have a few days of breathing room to go back to the "hello world" stage.
[31-May-2007 21:11:24] <davetoo> What I need to figure out how to do is, essentially, use zendmd non-interactively to parse some script output
[31-May-2007 21:11:33] <davetoo> and use that to add/move/remodel devices
[31-May-2007 21:11:52] <cluther> davetoo: 1.9.x or 1.1.x?
[31-May-2007 21:12:02] * NytWolf compiles with an alphanumeric password
[31-May-2007 21:12:22] <tessier__> Anyone know if zenoss can take data from sar and graph things like iowait? I'm surprised I don't see a bandwidth graph here already...
[31-May-2007 21:12:30] <davetoo> well I want to move to 2 as soon as it's stable but I think I'll need to work with 1.1.x for a few months still
[31-May-2007 21:12:57] <davetoo> tessier__: if not, write a nagios plugin
[31-May-2007 21:13:21] <cluther> davetoo: To get zendmd like functionality in a non-interactive script in 1.1.x you make your script extend ZCmdBase
[31-May-2007 21:13:28] <davetoo> I wrote a nagios plugin in shell that parses rup() output
[31-May-2007 21:13:32] <tessier__> davetoo: zenoss takes nagios plugins?
[31-May-2007 21:13:37] <davetoo> yep
[31-May-2007 21:13:48] <tessier__> Cool. I already have some python code that will work with it then.
[31-May-2007 21:13:51] <cluther> tessier__: And Cacti plugins.
[31-May-2007 21:13:56] <davetoo> but you have to create an RRDTemplate and associated datasource
[31-May-2007 21:14:20] <davetoo> cluther: ok on extending zcmdbase
[31-May-2007 21:14:23] <davetoo> will look there
[31-May-2007 21:14:38] <davetoo> what's coming in 2?
[31-May-2007 21:14:42] <cluther> davetoo: It gives you access to the dmd, which gives you access to everything..
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[31-May-2007 21:14:55] <cluther> davetoo: ZenScriptBase would be the class to extend in 2.0
[31-May-2007 21:15:40] <davetoo> Have you played with the mix-in template feature in 1.9.x/2?
[31-May-2007 21:16:01] <davetoo> I'
[31-May-2007 21:16:24] <cluther> Yeah! It's great.. it allows for what basically amounts to multiple inheritance for performance templates.
[31-May-2007 21:16:25] <davetoo> I'm really looking forward to that but haven't found any docs yet. But I haven't peeked at any 1.9.x/2 code at all yet
[31-May-2007 21:16:43] <davetoo> cluther: which is what I asked about on the list about a week after I started learning/using zenoss
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[31-May-2007 21:16:52] <cluther> davetoo: I remember that.
[31-May-2007 21:16:57] <_jellydonut_> evenin all
[31-May-2007 21:17:15] <cluther> cluther: It is so stupidly easy.. there is a zProperty you can set called something like "zDeviceTemplates" that accepts a list.
[31-May-2007 21:17:17] <davetoo> Iv'e gotta say, I am incredibly impressed with the Zenoss staff
[31-May-2007 21:17:49] <davetoo> They're the most right-thinking, responsive, productive project team I've ever seen
[31-May-2007 21:17:57] <cluther> davetoo: The default contains "Device" but if you wanted some DHCP stuff you could create a DHCP template anywhere up the hierarchy and add "DHCP" to the zDeviceTemplates prop.
[31-May-2007 21:18:04] <cluther> davetoo: Glad you think so!
[31-May-2007 21:18:20] <cluther> _jellydonut_: Evening, jelly.
[31-May-2007 21:18:41] * davetoo is not quite sure where you fit into the project, just a power-user or offical team member
[31-May-2007 21:18:46] <_jellydonut_> need some help in getting a few services started
[31-May-2007 21:19:12] <cluther> cluther: Used to be a power-user, now I work in client services. What amounts to technical support for commercial customers.
[31-May-2007 21:19:20] <davetoo> cool
[31-May-2007 21:19:30] <cluther> cluther: We're pretty excited to have someone from NetApp poking around in the project too.
[31-May-2007 21:19:37] <_jellydonut_> when i try and start zenperfsnmp, i get a trace - AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'QueryFactory'
[31-May-2007 21:19:45] <_jellydonut_> No clues, checked forums
[31-May-2007 21:19:54] <cluther> _jellydonut_: What version of zenoss?
[31-May-2007 21:20:22] <_jellydonut_> 1.1.2
[31-May-2007 21:20:40] <davetoo> Oh, I did a survey the other day and we have about 10,000 systems monitored among our five engineering sites. But that is the stripped-down, load-average-only monitoring I've been talking about.
[31-May-2007 21:21:10] <davetoo> ok, time to go split traffic on my bike for 45 minutes to get home.
[31-May-2007 21:21:22] <cluther> davetoo: Good luck.
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[31-May-2007 21:22:25] <cluther> _jellydonut_: Are you running zenperfsnmp start as the zenoss user?
[31-May-2007 21:22:31] <_jellydonut_> trying to
[31-May-2007 21:23:13] <_jellydonut_> i have 5 or so services that don't start with the same error
[31-May-2007 21:24:13] <cluther> Appears to have something to do with the xmlrpc module. What version of Python are you using?
[31-May-2007 21:24:23] <_jellydonut_> 2.4 on ubuntu 7.04
[31-May-2007 21:27:44] <cluther> As the zenoss user, run python to get into the interactive interpreter..
[31-May-2007 21:27:56] <_jellydonut_> done
[31-May-2007 21:27:59] <cluther> At the >>> prompt try running "from twisted.web import xmlrpc"
[31-May-2007 21:28:39] <_jellydonut_> no module named twisted.web
[31-May-2007 21:28:54] <cluther> ah, okay. What installation method did you use? Source?
[31-May-2007 21:29:02] <_jellydonut_> Yes
[31-May-2007 21:29:16] <cluther> I guess that's your only choice on Ubuntu.
[31-May-2007 21:29:24] <_jellydonut_> yup
[31-May-2007 21:30:31] <cluther> Try running "make twisted-install" from the zenossinst dir.
[31-May-2007 21:31:02] <_jellydonut_> done
[31-May-2007 21:31:28] <cluther> Are you installing to /opt/zenoss?
[31-May-2007 21:31:55] <_jellydonut_> to usr/local/zenoss
[31-May-2007 21:32:16] <cluther> Check to see if you have /usr/local/zenoss/lib/python/twisted/web/xmlrpc.py
[31-May-2007 21:32:46] <_jellydonut_> yup
[31-May-2007 21:33:16] <cluther> Did you setup your zenoss user's .bash_profile like the install doc mentions?
[31-May-2007 21:33:28] <_jellydonut_> sure did
[31-May-2007 21:33:46] <cluther> hmm.. try starting zenperfsnmp again
[31-May-2007 21:34:17] <_jellydonut_> same
[31-May-2007 21:34:38] <cluther> What's "echo $PYTHONPATH" say?
[31-May-2007 21:34:59] <_jellydonut_> think I found it
[31-May-2007 21:35:48] <cluther> Cool.. let me know. I haven't seen this one before.
[31-May-2007 21:35:57] <_jellydonut_> usr/local/zenoss/lib/python
[31-May-2007 21:36:03] <_jellydonut_> Wasn't what I thought
[31-May-2007 21:37:33] <_jellydonut_> I did have al ittle fat finger in my .bashrc but that wasn't it
[31-May-2007 21:40:17] <cluther> still looking..
[31-May-2007 21:40:23] <_jellydonut_> cool
[31-May-2007 21:47:27] <cluther> hmm.. this is weird.
[31-May-2007 21:47:33] <_jellydonut_> you are telling me
[31-May-2007 21:47:49] <cluther> Did you download the 1.1.2 source tarball, or grab the tag from SVN?
[31-May-2007 21:48:08] <_jellydonut_> downloaded the 1.1.2 source tarball
[31-May-2007 21:48:45] <cluther> I think your code and libs are not quite in sync.
[31-May-2007 21:48:59] <cluther> Is there a specific reason you're using 1.1.2 instead of the 2.0 beta?
[31-May-2007 21:49:06] <_jellydonut_> nope
[31-May-2007 21:49:43] <_jellydonut_> i am looking at replacing nagios and need something that will scale better and I came across zenoss
[31-May-2007 21:50:04] <_jellydonut_> since it does better discovery I am hooked, now just need to get it to work and test it
[31-May-2007 21:50:19] <cluther> Cool.. 2.0 should be released soon. I'd recommend following the SVN install instructions with one addendum.
[31-May-2007 21:50:27] <_jellydonut_> okie
[31-May-2007 21:51:31] <cluther> export SVNTAG="tags/zenoss-1.9.7" for the install so you get that tag instead of the bleeding edge.
[31-May-2007 21:51:45] <_jellydonut_> I will start fresh in the morn
[31-May-2007 21:51:53] <cluther> Cool.. good luck.
[31-May-2007 21:52:00] <_jellydonut_> thanks
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[31-May-2007 22:05:32] <NytWolf> cluther: Have a new error...
[31-May-2007 22:05:40] <NytWolf> Good news is that it go through libsmi
[31-May-2007 22:05:59] <cluther> Baby steps, eh?
[31-May-2007 22:06:43] <NytWolf> Nah, I don't think so. I'm just mentioning it, I'll trying to work with it first before requesting help
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