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[09:58] * Topic for #zenoss is: Zenoss Dev will be here Thursday, October 9 at 11am EDT (GMT -04:00)
[09:58] * Topic for #zenoss set by mrayzenoss at Thu Sep 25 11:03:58 2008
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[10:01] Good morning everybody.
[10:02] And good afternoon if you're in Europe
[10:02] * chudler (n=chudler@jenny.uchicago.edu) has joined #zenoss
[10:03] Wow, kinda quiet. I guess everyone's happy with their Zenoss install
[10:03] <__ian__> Sweet. I'm taking the day off.
[10:04] Anybody going to Ohio LinuxFest this weekend?
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[10:10] * mrayzenoss has changed the topic to: Zenoss Dev is in the house
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[10:12] there we go
[10:13] lol
[10:14] plenty of euros here mrayzenoss
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[10:16] Test.......
[10:16] nice and quiet this morning
[10:17] I've got a question I think then
[10:17] woohoo
[10:17] lol, In the list of interfaces on the OS tab I have noticed that there is the green/red dot for Operationally and Administratively up or down
[10:18] those only seem to get updated when I remodel the device
[10:18] right
[10:18] since the snmppref runs every 5 mins to get stats would it be possible to have it check interface status when that is running and update it
[10:19] I never really saw it as an issue, but our helpdesk manager got confused and asked about it.
[10:20] it'll change of course when modeling auto-runs
[10:20] that's come up before, let me double check with peeps to see if there is a reason it doesn't collect that oid with the perf data
[10:21] well the system uptime is updated each time the stats are pulled even tho that is on a different tab of the device, which is why I asked.
[10:21] *nod*
[10:22] Should I open an enhancement request for that to track finding more out about the issue/changes needed?
[10:23] i've got that question down and i can follow up with you, and then we can open one up if there isn't already one for it or a good reason?
[10:24] (looking through the code / talking to peeps not)
[10:24] *nod*
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[10:25] after I add an MIB file I notice that it doesn't start translating the messages until I restart zenoss . I'm reasonably sure this isn't necessary, is there a specific daemon I could restart or some more graceful way of handling this?
[10:26] i would think zenevent or zope but let me check
[10:26] I'm not one of the devs, but I just restating zentrap seems to work for me when I add a MIB
[10:30] thanks
[10:30] I will try that
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[10:34] chadwich I guess my e-mail address would help for following up on the Interface status question. afleming@kanren.net
[10:34] ok cool, got it
[10:39] Does anyone know of any good articles or postings about pulling the route tables via SSH? I've got 8 backbone routers which are Foundry and have a full Internet 1 and Internet 2 routing table. Using SSH and a plugin seems like the best way and maybe the only way to pull in the Local and OSPF route entries since the routing table is so big.
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[10:41] article meaning how you'd do it using a ssh datasource within zenoss?
[10:42] and would you actually want to be pulling routes out of the data to put into the zenoss model?
[10:42] well there is not much info in the administrators guide about using SSH. I found one plugin for getting the routing table via SSH, but not had any luck getting it to even connect to the router when I run a model yet
[10:44] These routers have oh about 200K route entries via BGP, but our OSPF routes for the network are about 300. And I have to populate the route entries for the devices for the layer 3 dependancy checking to work right in Zenoss. (If I could just manually define a "parent host" or dependancies it would not be necessary.)
[10:45] zzaflemi: well it could get kinda boring with lots of hosts
[10:45] and tricky with ring topologys
[10:45] I don't understand boring with lots of hosts?
[10:45] to do it manual
[10:45] oh manually defining dependancies
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[10:46] yea, but we have to right now with Nagios so its not any worse
[10:46] are they xmr,mlxs or something older?
[10:47] and it actually seems like more work to manually create transform rules for layer 2 dependancies then it would be to add all of them manually into a field on each device
[10:47] we run a few xmr's and hp's (rebranded bigirons)
[10:47] The foundries are XMRs
[10:47] Foundry Networks, Inc. NetIron XMR, IronWare Version V3.7.0cT163 Compiled on Mar 18 2008 at 13:59:23 labeled as V3.7.00c
[10:48] those are nice
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[10:49] yea except my problem is since they form the backbone ring I have to something about adding route entries to them for the dependancy checking (and thus maintenance windows) to work right
[10:49] have you looked at the standard plugins that do ssh right now, zzaflemi?
[10:50] And with with some pop moves that have happened the routing enviroment is not the cleanest and would need to add most of the 300 OSPF routes we have to all 8 of them
[10:50] here is a way to manually create a device dependency
[10:50] http://www.zenoss.com/Members/netdata/create-a-device-dependency/
[10:50] Title: Create a device dependency - Commercial Open Source Application, Systems and Network Monitoring - Zenoss (at www.zenoss.com)
[10:50] yea I've found that before, but that might be more work then adding the route entries manually to be honest.
[10:51] so what do you mean by the standard SSH plugins I guess?
[10:52] like linux2.py and darwin.py in zenplugins/zenoss/plugins - they do basic command execution for linux & darwin servers, might be a good model to use as a template
[10:52] Ok, now I follow, I haven't used them yet but have found them.
[10:53] What I already see in my list of plugins (maybe from one of the zen packs) is an OspfRouteMap and StaticRouteMap that are ssh based.
[10:54] just have not been able to make them actually work, but I'll try the linux ones on a linux host then to see if I can get any of them to work
[11:00] chadwick charlieS chowmeined chudler
[11:00] chadwick charlieS
[11:00] Well, this has been a nice quiet session, I have to drop off for another meeting. chadwick will stick around for a bit
[11:00] yup
[09:58] * Topic for #zenoss is: Zenoss Dev will be here Thursday, October 9 at 11am EDT (GMT -04:00)
[09:58] * Topic for #zenoss set by mrayzenoss at Thu Sep 25 11:03:58 2008
[10:00] * __ian__ (n=__ian__@bas1-kitchener06-1096764463.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #zenoss
[10:01] Good morning everybody.
[10:02] And good afternoon if you're in Europe
[10:02] * chudler (n=chudler@jenny.uchicago.edu) has joined #zenoss
[10:03] Wow, kinda quiet. I guess everyone's happy with their Zenoss install
[10:03] <__ian__> Sweet. I'm taking the day off.
[10:04] Anybody going to Ohio LinuxFest this weekend?
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[10:10] * mrayzenoss has changed the topic to: Zenoss Dev is in the house
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[10:12] there we go
[10:13] lol
[10:14] plenty of euros here mrayzenoss
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[10:16] Test.......
[10:16] nice and quiet this morning
[10:17] I've got a question I think then
[10:17] woohoo
[10:17] lol, In the list of interfaces on the OS tab I have noticed that there is the green/red dot for Operationally and Administratively up or down
[10:18] those only seem to get updated when I remodel the device
[10:18] right
[10:18] since the snmppref runs every 5 mins to get stats would it be possible to have it check interface status when that is running and update it
[10:19] I never really saw it as an issue, but our helpdesk manager got confused and asked about it.
[10:20] it'll change of course when modeling auto-runs
[10:20] that's come up before, let me double check with peeps to see if there is a reason it doesn't collect that oid with the perf data
[10:21] well the system uptime is updated each time the stats are pulled even tho that is on a different tab of the device, which is why I asked.
[10:21] *nod*
[10:22] Should I open an enhancement request for that to track finding more out about the issue/changes needed?
[10:23] i've got that question down and i can follow up with you, and then we can open one up if there isn't already one for it or a good reason?
[10:24] (looking through the code / talking to peeps not)
[10:24] *nod*
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[10:25] after I add an MIB file I notice that it doesn't start translating the messages until I restart zenoss . I'm reasonably sure this isn't necessary, is there a specific daemon I could restart or some more graceful way of handling this?
[10:26] i would think zenevent or zope but let me check
[10:26] I'm not one of the devs, but I just restating zentrap seems to work for me when I add a MIB
[10:30] thanks
[10:30] I will try that
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[10:34] chadwich I guess my e-mail address would help for following up on the Interface status question. afleming@kanren.net
[10:34] ok cool, got it
[10:39] Does anyone know of any good articles or postings about pulling the route tables via SSH? I've got 8 backbone routers which are Foundry and have a full Internet 1 and Internet 2 routing table. Using SSH and a plugin seems like the best way and maybe the only way to pull in the Local and OSPF route entries since the routing table is so big.
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[10:41] article meaning how you'd do it using a ssh datasource within zenoss?
[10:42] and would you actually want to be pulling routes out of the data to put into the zenoss model?
[10:42] well there is not much info in the administrators guide about using SSH. I found one plugin for getting the routing table via SSH, but not had any luck getting it to even connect to the router when I run a model yet
[10:44] These routers have oh about 200K route entries via BGP, but our OSPF routes for the network are about 300. And I have to populate the route entries for the devices for the layer 3 dependancy checking to work right in Zenoss. (If I could just manually define a "parent host" or dependancies it would not be necessary.)
[10:45] zzaflemi: well it could get kinda boring with lots of hosts
[10:45] and tricky with ring topologys
[10:45] I don't understand boring with lots of hosts?
[10:45] to do it manual
[10:45] oh manually defining dependancies
[10:45] * ktwilight has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[10:46] yea, but we have to right now with Nagios so its not any worse
[10:46] are they xmr,mlxs or something older?
[10:47] and it actually seems like more work to manually create transform rules for layer 2 dependancies then it would be to add all of them manually into a field on each device
[10:47] we run a few xmr's and hp's (rebranded bigirons)
[10:47] The foundries are XMRs
[10:47] Foundry Networks, Inc. NetIron XMR, IronWare Version V3.7.0cT163 Compiled on Mar 18 2008 at 13:59:23 labeled as V3.7.00c
[10:48] those are nice
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[10:49] yea except my problem is since they form the backbone ring I have to something about adding route entries to them for the dependancy checking (and thus maintenance windows) to work right
[10:49] have you looked at the standard plugins that do ssh right now, zzaflemi?
[10:50] And with with some pop moves that have happened the routing enviroment is not the cleanest and would need to add most of the 300 OSPF routes we have to all 8 of them
[10:50] here is a way to manually create a device dependency
[10:50] http://www.zenoss.com/Members/netdata/create-a-device-dependency/
[10:50] Title: Create a device dependency - Commercial Open Source Application, Systems and Network Monitoring - Zenoss (at www.zenoss.com)
[10:50] yea I've found that before, but that might be more work then adding the route entries manually to be honest.
[10:51] so what do you mean by the standard SSH plugins I guess?
[10:52] like linux2.py and darwin.py in zenplugins/zenoss/plugins - they do basic command execution for linux & darwin servers, might be a good model to use as a template
[10:52] Ok, now I follow, I haven't used them yet but have found them.
[10:53] What I already see in my list of plugins (maybe from one of the zen packs) is an OspfRouteMap and StaticRouteMap that are ssh based.
[10:54] just have not been able to make them actually work, but I'll try the linux ones on a linux host then to see if I can get any of them to work
[11:00] chadwick charlieS chowmeined chudler
[11:00] chadwick charlieS
[11:00] Well, this has been a nice quiet session, I have to drop off for another meeting. chadwick will stick around for a bit
[11:00] yup
