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[01-Jun-2006 12:30:13] <creiht> All by myself....
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[01-Jun-2006 12:55:46] <creiht> ecn!
[01-Jun-2006 12:55:53] <ecn> hey!
[01-Jun-2006 12:55:56] <creiht> I was getting lonely in here
[01-Jun-2006 12:56:05] <creiht> Quick question
[01-Jun-2006 12:56:07] <ecn> sure
[01-Jun-2006 12:56:28] <creiht> Does the performance monitoring support authentification?
[01-Jun-2006 12:57:10] <ecn> at what level?
[01-Jun-2006 12:57:19] <ecn> at the snmp packet level? no
[01-Jun-2006 12:57:27] <creiht> hmmm
[01-Jun-2006 12:57:34] <ecn> besides sending the right community string
[01-Jun-2006 12:57:40] <ecn> which means, no, not really
[01-Jun-2006 12:57:44] <creiht> I'm not completely sure to tell you the truth
[01-Jun-2006 12:57:57] <creiht> I'm still a bit new to performance monitoring
[01-Jun-2006 12:58:01] <ecn> to look at graphs via Zope? Yes, that can probably be done.
[01-Jun-2006 12:58:13] <creiht> I'm trying to add a device
[01-Jun-2006 12:58:18] <ecn> k
[01-Jun-2006 12:58:31] <creiht> net-snmp is installed and running on the device
[01-Jun-2006 12:58:53] <creiht> But when it tries to detect, it errors out
[01-Jun-2006 12:58:57] <ecn> ah
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:00] <ecn> ok...
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:02] <creiht> I look at the config
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:09] <ecn> you have snmpwalk ?
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:11] <creiht> for snmp on the device
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:15] <creiht> I think so
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:19] <ecn> try to snmpwalk the device:
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:27] <creiht> yes I do
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:46] <ecn> snmpwalk -v1 -c public device.ip.addr system
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:58] <ecn> does that work?
[01-Jun-2006 13:00:59] <creiht> I get a Timeout
[01-Jun-2006 13:01:14] <ecn> then, no, it's not working 8-)
[01-Jun-2006 13:01:21] <creiht> hehe
[01-Jun-2006 13:01:26] <creiht> looking closer...
[01-Jun-2006 13:01:37] <ecn> so, is this a server box of some unix derivative?
[01-Jun-2006 13:01:39] <ecn> if so
[01-Jun-2006 13:01:52] <ecn> netstat -na | grep 161
[01-Jun-2006 13:02:11] <ecn> that will tell you if someone is using your snmp port (which is kinda necessary)
[01-Jun-2006 13:02:16] <ecn> it's a udp port
[01-Jun-2006 13:02:31] <ecn> I get this back:
[01-Jun-2006 13:02:34] <ecn> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:161 0.0.0.0:*
[01-Jun-2006 13:02:47] <ecn> which means it's listening on all interfaces on port 161
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:09] <ecn> if it's windows ... dunno
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:10] <creiht> ok
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:14] <creiht> It wasn't running
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:18] <creiht> So I started it
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:21] <ecn> ah
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:22] <creiht> And I still get a timeout
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:28] <creiht> And it is a Linux box
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:31] <creiht> Redhat ES3
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:36] <ecn> ok, is it still listening?
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:49] <creiht> netstat shows it is listening
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:53] <ecn> ok
[01-Jun-2006 13:04:02] <creiht> it might be firewalled
[01-Jun-2006 13:04:04] <ecn> ah
[01-Jun-2006 13:04:06] <creiht> justsec
[01-Jun-2006 13:07:15] <creiht> not a firewall problem
[01-Jun-2006 13:07:28] <ecn> do you have snmpwalk on the RH3 machine?
[01-Jun-2006 13:07:43] <ecn> snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost system
[01-Jun-2006 13:08:58] <creiht> IT doesn't have snmpwalk
[01-Jun-2006 13:09:13] <ecn> bummer
[01-Jun-2006 13:10:30] <ecn> take a look in /var/log for messages about not liking your packets, maybe?
[01-Jun-2006 13:10:44] <ecn> also check the config for "public" as the community string
[01-Jun-2006 13:11:59] <creiht> hmmm
[01-Jun-2006 13:12:14] <creiht> It looks like the config is modified quite a bit
[01-Jun-2006 13:12:18] <creiht> And I don't know enough about it
[01-Jun-2006 13:12:26] <creiht> What sets the community string?
[01-Jun-2006 13:12:45] <ecn> on my box (FC5) it's in /etc/snmp/snmp.conf
[01-Jun-2006 13:13:02] <ecn> first no-comment line
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:10] <creiht> Does it start with com2sec?
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:31] <ecn> yep
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:37] <creiht> ok
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:39] <creiht> well
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:41] <ecn> com2sec notConfigUser default public
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:41] <creiht> that is not public
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:44] <ecn> that's mine
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:54] <ecn> ok, just use that word instead of public in the snmpwalk
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:58] <ecn> and when you add the device
[01-Jun-2006 13:15:12] <creiht> hmmm
[01-Jun-2006 13:15:22] <creiht> It looks like it sets sepcific sources
[01-Jun-2006 13:15:31] <creiht> so it looks something like
[01-Jun-2006 13:15:45] <creiht> com2sec systems 1.1.1.1 communityname
[01-Jun-2006 13:16:35] <ecn> is 1.1.1.1 an ip address ?
[01-Jun-2006 13:16:38] <creiht> yes
[01-Jun-2006 13:16:41] <creiht> just generic
[01-Jun-2006 13:16:49] <creiht> to protect the innocent
[01-Jun-2006 13:16:54] <ecn> I'm pretty sure that's the only box that can talk to it
[01-Jun-2006 13:17:07] <creiht> Yeah I was starting to guess that
[01-Jun-2006 13:17:15] <ecn> so just change your ip 8-)
[01-Jun-2006 13:19:45] <creiht> ok I added my ip and it works
[01-Jun-2006 13:19:48] <creiht> Thanks for the help
[01-Jun-2006 13:19:54] <ecn> sure thing
[01-Jun-2006 13:23:43] <creiht> How long do I have to wait once it is discovered before performance graphs will show up?
[01-Jun-2006 13:24:05] <ecn> run:
[01-Jun-2006 13:24:09] <ecn> zenperfsnmp restart
[01-Jun-2006 13:24:25] <ecn> (was it running?)
[01-Jun-2006 13:24:46] <ecn> if you want to watch it run, do:
[01-Jun-2006 13:24:48] <ecn> zenperfsnmp stop
[01-Jun-2006 13:24:57] <ecn> zenperfsnmp run -v 10 --cycle
[01-Jun-2006 13:25:28] <ecn> run (don't be a daemon) -v 10 (show me anything debug level, or higher) --cycle (forever)
[01-Jun-2006 13:25:33] <creiht> wohoo
[01-Jun-2006 13:25:51] <ecn> values are all nan, right?
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:08] <creiht> nan?
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:11] <creiht> Well the graphs show up
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:14] <creiht> no values yet
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:15] <ecn> Not a Number
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:23] <ecn> labels at the bottom
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:28] <ecn> give it a few minutes
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:31] <creiht> yes
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:35] <creiht> Yeah no problem
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:38] <creiht> About to go to lunch
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:43] <creiht> Thanks again for the help
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:48] <ecn> rrdtool needs a few samples to display data
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:54] <creiht> yeah
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:57] <ecn> sure, nice to know it all works somewhere I'm not
[01-Jun-2006 13:28:20] <creiht> hehe
[01-Jun-2006 13:48:03] <creiht> ok so next question
[01-Jun-2006 13:48:21] <creiht> If I want to see the network interface stats for that device in the performance graphs... how do I do that?
[01-Jun-2006 13:50:13] <ecn> OS tab
[01-Jun-2006 13:50:21] <ecn> Interfaces
[01-Jun-2006 13:57:20] <ecn> does it work?
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[01-Jun-2006 15:18:06] <creiht> oh whoa... That rocks
[01-Jun-2006 15:18:08] <creiht>
[01-Jun-2006 15:18:14] <creiht> I missed that tab
[01-Jun-2006 15:18:48] <ecn> cool
[01-Jun-2006 15:19:49] <creiht> This is seriously cool
[01-Jun-2006 15:20:00] <ecn> 8-0
[01-Jun-2006 15:20:01] <ecn> 8-)
[01-Jun-2006 15:20:04] <ecn> tell your friends
[01-Jun-2006 15:20:10] <creiht> hehe
[01-Jun-2006 15:51:59] <creiht> ecn: How familiar are you with the Alerting Rules stuff?
[01-Jun-2006 15:52:08] <ecn> nope
[01-Jun-2006 15:52:16] <creiht> doh
[01-Jun-2006 15:52:19] <creiht>
[01-Jun-2006 15:52:28] <ecn> send a question to the mailing list
[01-Jun-2006 15:53:18] <creiht> It's kind of a pain to have to actually define a SQL Where clause when creating the alert
[01-Jun-2006 15:54:51] <creiht> I always hate waiting for responses on mailing lists
[01-Jun-2006 15:54:55] <ecn> Do you have a better idea?
[01-Jun-2006 15:56:06] <creiht> Well for starters
[01-Jun-2006 15:56:36] <creiht> If you want to continue to use a Where clause, then let the user know which fields are available and what the values mean for each field
[01-Jun-2006 15:56:53] <creiht> For example by default it pre-populatest with:
[01-Jun-2006 15:56:59] <creiht> severity >= 4 and eventState = 0 and prodState = 1000
[01-Jun-2006 15:57:17] <creiht> I have a good idea what severity means
[01-Jun-2006 15:57:39] <ecn> ok
[01-Jun-2006 15:57:39] <creiht> But what does 4 mean, what are the min/max values
[01-Jun-2006 15:57:47] <ecn> ha. right
[01-Jun-2006 15:58:00] <creiht> Those types of things are not easy for someone that is a new user
[01-Jun-2006 15:58:13] <ecn> right
[01-Jun-2006 15:58:16] <creiht> And then there is prodState = 1000
[01-Jun-2006 15:58:25] <creiht> I'm not even close to sure what that means
[01-Jun-2006 15:58:34] <ecn> wll, I have an idea
[01-Jun-2006 15:58:35] <creiht> anyway... I think you get the idea
[01-Jun-2006 15:58:39] <ecn> right
[01-Jun-2006 16:00:17] <creiht> The next step would be a nice ui that expands on it a bit
[01-Jun-2006 16:00:24] <creiht> For example
[01-Jun-2006 16:00:52] <creiht> You might add Severity to the list of rules, and then select a severity from a drop down list
[01-Jun-2006 16:01:00] <creiht> And instead of the list being 1,2,3...
[01-Jun-2006 16:01:02] <creiht> It would be
[01-Jun-2006 16:01:17] <creiht> Low, Medium, High... or whatever the values really mean
[01-Jun-2006 16:01:54] <ecn> ok
[01-Jun-2006 16:02:03] <creiht> Just some suggestions from a new user looking at it
[01-Jun-2006 17:14:28] <oubiwann> creiht : good points -- thanks :-)
[01-Jun-2006 17:15:04] <creiht> All the other stuff is really cool so far
[01-Jun-2006 17:15:12] <oubiwann> sweet!
[01-Jun-2006 17:15:17] <creiht> Hopefully it doesn't sound like I am complaining too much
[01-Jun-2006 17:15:24] <oubiwann> heh, not at all
[01-Jun-2006 17:15:43] <ecn> use it on 500 devices and then tell us what you find
[01-Jun-2006 17:15:45] <oubiwann> in fact, if you complained but stuck around anyway, that would be a great sign :-)
[01-Jun-2006 17:16:36] <creiht> Well I have to figure out how to use it before I can just start monitoring 500 devices
[01-Jun-2006 17:17:03] <ecn> details, details
[01-Jun-2006 17:17:29] <ecn> what bits do you normally monitor?
[01-Jun-2006 17:19:40] <creiht> Well I have several things going on
[01-Jun-2006 17:19:59] <creiht> For what I am interested in
[01-Jun-2006 17:20:23] <creiht> I have an immediate need to monitor our production servers for our webapps, DB, etc.
[01-Jun-2006 17:20:37] <creiht> So my first goal is to make sure it is suitable for that
[01-Jun-2006 17:21:08] <creiht> It's probably around 20-30 servers
[01-Jun-2006 17:21:13] <creiht> But a good initial test
[01-Jun-2006 17:21:39] <ecn> Yep.
[01-Jun-2006 17:21:47] <creiht> It will be a combination of performance monitoring and service monitoring
[01-Jun-2006 17:21:58] <creiht> And alerting us when stuff has problems through email
[01-Jun-2006 17:23:05] <creiht> If that happens then I have good reason to keep playing with zenoss
[01-Jun-2006 17:23:45] <creiht> We are also persuing replacing a current offering that is outsourced for doing performance monitoring
[01-Jun-2006 17:23:56] <creiht> Initially it would only be for a couple hundred of customers
[01-Jun-2006 17:24:28] <creiht> But if goes well would be opened up to all of our customers
[01-Jun-2006 17:24:44] <ecn> great!
[01-Jun-2006 17:25:05] <creiht> There are a couple of things competing for that though
[01-Jun-2006 17:25:15] <ecn> of course
[01-Jun-2006 17:25:44] <creiht> We also do service level monitoring for all of our customers
[01-Jun-2006 17:26:12] <creiht> And whatever solution is used for the performance level monitoring will take over the service level monitoring as well
[01-Jun-2006 17:26:53] <creiht> Those are the things that are within the scope of what I am looking at
[01-Jun-2006 17:28:01] <ecn> I'm fairly new to the monitoring domain... what do you mean by "service level monitoring"?
[01-Jun-2006 17:28:18] <creiht> monitoring things like http, ssh, etc.
[01-Jun-2006 17:28:52] <oubiwann> yeah, Erik wants to work on that
[01-Jun-2006 17:29:29] <oubiwann> support for that is not as strong as it should be in zenoss
[01-Jun-2006 17:29:35] <creiht> Yeah I noticed that
[01-Jun-2006 17:29:49] <oubiwann> that's what pymon's strenght is
[01-Jun-2006 17:29:50] <creiht> I'm still playing with it though
[01-Jun-2006 17:30:00] <oubiwann> well, pymon's real strength is it's architecture :-)
[01-Jun-2006 17:30:17] <creiht> Are there plans to integrate pymon into zenoss?
[01-Jun-2006 17:30:36] <ecn> the plan is to have zenoss take over the world
[01-Jun-2006 17:30:38] <ecn> 8-)
[01-Jun-2006 17:30:40] <creiht> I really liked some of the things you guys were doing with pymn
[01-Jun-2006 17:30:42] * creiht laughs
[01-Jun-2006 17:30:51] <oubiwann> we've talked briefly about it
[01-Jun-2006 17:31:08] <creiht> So another off the wall question
[01-Jun-2006 17:31:15] <creiht> What about integration with other systems
[01-Jun-2006 17:31:28] <creiht> Are there hooks to be able to send messages to other systems for alerts
[01-Jun-2006 17:31:56] <creiht> Or for handling monitoring tasks through other systems
[01-Jun-2006 17:36:06] <ecn> well, define other systems
[01-Jun-2006 17:37:44] <ecn> I think that there is (or will be) a plug-in system for alert notifiation
[01-Jun-2006 17:37:47] <ecn> notification
[01-Jun-2006 17:46:35] <ecn> time to go home... talk later
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[02-Jun-2006 12:02:31] <creiht> ecn!
[02-Jun-2006 12:02:45] <ecn> hey!
[02-Jun-2006 12:02:46] <creiht> I was worried that you came in saw that I was here, and then ran away
[02-Jun-2006 12:03:06] <ecn> nope... was trying to get a plugin for my IRC client to work
[02-Jun-2006 12:03:20] <ecn> and this irc client doesn't automagically put me back into #zenoos
[02-Jun-2006 12:03:48] <creiht> ahh
[02-Jun-2006 12:04:13] <creiht> So I'm still having fun playing with Zenoss
[02-Jun-2006 12:04:27] <ecn> good
[02-Jun-2006 12:04:40] <ecn> I'm forwarding your suggestions yesterday to Erik
[02-Jun-2006 12:04:51] <creiht> cool
[02-Jun-2006 12:04:55] <creiht> Well I have some more
[02-Jun-2006 12:05:07] <creiht> And some more questions
[02-Jun-2006 12:05:15] <ecn> ok
[02-Jun-2006 12:05:18] <creiht> I started playing with Systems, Groups, and Locations
[02-Jun-2006 12:06:30] <creiht> Do you know what the main differences are between them?
[02-Jun-2006 12:06:43] <creiht> And what their purpose is for
[02-Jun-2006 12:07:05] <creiht> I notice that Systems has a performance tab, but nothing shows up for it for the devices I have inside it
[02-Jun-2006 12:07:50] <ecn> huh
[02-Jun-2006 12:08:29] <ecn> I don't know what they are for
[02-Jun-2006 12:08:34] <creiht> hehe
[02-Jun-2006 12:09:03] <creiht> I have a general idea that they could be usefull for grouping things together
[02-Jun-2006 12:09:27] <creiht> For example I could imagine having groups for our Production servers and for our Support servers, etc.
[02-Jun-2006 12:09:35] <creiht> Making it easier to find the data that I am looking for
[02-Jun-2006 12:10:43] <creiht> Ahhh
[02-Jun-2006 12:11:04] <creiht> Well any of the Systems that you create show up on the dashbard
[02-Jun-2006 12:11:10] <creiht> err dashboard
[02-Jun-2006 12:11:26] <ecn> look at that
[02-Jun-2006 12:11:31] <ecn> 8-)
[02-Jun-2006 12:11:40] <creiht> ok
[02-Jun-2006 12:12:47] <creiht> Now for some oddities with the performance monitoring
[02-Jun-2006 12:13:13] <creiht> Every system that I add I get events saying that they can not read ssCpuRawWait values
[02-Jun-2006 12:18:29] <ecn> looking into it now
[02-Jun-2006 12:18:43] <creiht> cool
[02-Jun-2006 12:20:00] <creiht> There was another oddity where I stopped apache on a server that was being monitored. I received events that https went down, but didn't get events to show that http was down
[02-Jun-2006 12:21:03] <ecn> on what kinda box?
[02-Jun-2006 12:21:21] <creiht> Dell Redhat ES3
[02-Jun-2006 12:21:50] <ecn> try this:
[02-Jun-2006 12:22:07] <ecn> snmpget -v1 -c public dell.ip.addr UCD-SNMP-MIB::ssCpuRawWait.0
[02-Jun-2006 12:24:11] <creiht> I get an error that says
[02-Jun-2006 12:24:16] <creiht> Error in packet
[02-Jun-2006 12:24:32] <creiht> Reason: (noSuchName) There is no such variable name in this MIB
[02-Jun-2006 12:24:43] <ecn> well, that's the problem,then 8-)
[02-Jun-2006 12:24:51] <ecn> your machine isn't exposing that element
[02-Jun-2006 12:24:58] <creiht> ahhh
[02-Jun-2006 12:25:08] <creiht> So I need to expose that then in the snmpd.conf?
[02-Jun-2006 12:25:11] <ecn> (or whatever the funky language is for that in the SNMP world)
[02-Jun-2006 12:25:20] <ecn> it may not even be in your mib... I don't know
[02-Jun-2006 12:25:21] <creiht> heh
[02-Jun-2006 12:25:37] <creiht> I'm still new to the snmp stuff so I'm somewhat figuring it out as I go
[02-Jun-2006 12:25:58] <creiht> I thought it was exposing everything as I am using the default config that is supposed to expose everything
[02-Jun-2006 12:26:03] <ecn> you can get rid of the message by removing ssCpuRawWait from the perfconf template
[02-Jun-2006 12:26:13] <creiht> ok
[02-Jun-2006 12:26:18] <ecn> it might be a newish element in the mib
[02-Jun-2006 12:27:17] <ecn> mine is in /usr/share/snmp/mibs/UCD-SNMP-MIB.txt
[02-Jun-2006 12:27:38] <creiht> looking...
[02-Jun-2006 12:28:19] <ecn> last revision description is dated: REVISION "200404070000Z"
[02-Jun-2006 12:28:57] <creiht> Well if I look at that file
[02-Jun-2006 12:29:07] <creiht> there is a ssCpuRawWait def
[02-Jun-2006 12:30:05] <creiht> Hmm
[02-Jun-2006 12:30:24] <creiht> It must not be exposed
[02-Jun-2006 12:30:26] <creiht> no biggie
[02-Jun-2006 12:30:40] <creiht> I just thought it was odd that it has happened on all the servers I have added so far
[02-Jun-2006 12:30:43] <ecn> you can remove it from the template
[02-Jun-2006 12:30:47] <creiht> Yeah
[02-Jun-2006 12:30:50] <creiht> I'll do that
[02-Jun-2006 12:34:14] <creiht> ok cool
[02-Jun-2006 12:34:23] <creiht> Now the next observation/question
[02-Jun-2006 12:35:29] <creiht> For a specific device
[02-Jun-2006 12:35:50] <creiht> Is there a way that I can disable one of the things that is being monitored
[02-Jun-2006 12:35:52] <creiht> for example
[02-Jun-2006 12:36:18] <creiht> One of my boxes has 2 filesystems mounted
[02-Jun-2006 12:36:36] <creiht> One of them (/dev) is a virtual file system that is 100% full
[02-Jun-2006 12:37:37] <ecn> zen ticket #125
[02-Jun-2006 12:38:02] <creiht> off to lunch
[02-Jun-2006 12:38:02] <creiht> bbl
[02-Jun-2006 12:40:13] <creiht> ahh cool
[02-Jun-2006 12:40:42] <creiht> really off to lunch this time
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[02-Jun-2006 16:00:22] <creiht> ecn: So for my next question....
[02-Jun-2006 16:00:31] <ecn> yes?
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:01] <creiht> Is there a way to set the parameters of how a service is polled
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:03] <creiht> for example
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:08] <creiht> The delay between polls
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:18] <ecn> yes, but it's for everything
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:25] <creiht> Timeout that it waits before deciding a service is down
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:25] <creiht> etc
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:26] <creiht> ahh
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:34] <creiht> hmmm
[02-Jun-2006 16:03:00] <creiht> Something to consider, would be to allow that to be adjustable per device
[02-Jun-2006 16:03:03] <creiht> Use case:
[02-Jun-2006 16:03:28] <creiht> We monitor a lot of servers that can have a fairly high load at times
[02-Jun-2006 16:04:09] <creiht> The poller will time out before it gets a response
[02-Jun-2006 16:04:27] <creiht> And thus we get a bunch of "false positive" like events
[02-Jun-2006 16:04:47] <ecn> there might be some configs for that
[02-Jun-2006 16:05:49] <creiht> hmmm
[02-Jun-2006 16:06:01] <ecn> I've done the performance monitoring stuff
[02-Jun-2006 16:07:42] <creiht> For performance monitoring I figure I could make a local copy of the monitoring template for that specific device
[02-Jun-2006 16:08:00] <creiht> But there doesn't seem to be anything similar for service monitoring (http, etc.)
[02-Jun-2006 16:16:42] <ecn> right, but there isn't a poll rate that's different for different devices
[02-Jun-2006 16:16:55] <creiht> ahhh
[02-Jun-2006 16:16:56] <creiht> true
[02-Jun-2006 16:17:07] <ecn> oh, yes there is
[02-Jun-2006 16:17:18] <ecn> well not poll rate
[02-Jun-2006 16:17:23] <ecn> but other config items
[02-Jun-2006 16:17:27] <ecn> like snmp timeout
[02-Jun-2006 16:17:33] <ecn> and retries
[02-Jun-2006 16:17:48] <creiht> Those are the more important ones
[02-Jun-2006 16:18:05] <creiht> Polling interval isn't as important on a device to device basis
[02-Jun-2006 16:18:47] <creiht> What is the default polling interval btw?
[02-Jun-2006 16:19:05] <ecn> 60 seconds, I think
[02-Jun-2006 16:19:17] <ecn> and the pollers reload their config every 20 mins
[02-Jun-2006 16:19:26] <ecn> I change them to 10 and 1 respectively
[02-Jun-2006 16:19:32] <ecn> for testing 8-)
[02-Jun-2006 16:23:45] <creiht> One more oddity and that should finish my oddities for today
[02-Jun-2006 16:24:10] <creiht> I have zenoss running on my laptop right now as I am testing
[02-Jun-2006 16:24:25] <ecn> there is a "count" , after which an event's priority is raised... that might work for you, too
[02-Jun-2006 16:24:52] <ecn> like, if we ping it, and it fails once, that's a warning... if we ping it 5 more times, that's an error
[02-Jun-2006 16:25:17] <creiht> ecn: Hmmm that would probably suffice... Where do you set that?
[02-Jun-2006 16:25:27] <ecn> I'll have to find it
[02-Jun-2006 16:25:36] <ecn> I coded it... but I don't remember where it is in the gui
[02-Jun-2006 16:25:37] <creiht> Ahh
[02-Jun-2006 16:25:42] <creiht> Dn't worry about it right now
[02-Jun-2006 16:25:43] <creiht> hehe
[02-Jun-2006 16:25:51] <creiht> It's good to know that it is there though
[02-Jun-2006 16:26:31] <creiht> So on my laptop... when I brought it in this morning , I forgot to start all the zenoss services
[02-Jun-2006 16:26:53] <creiht> I had stoped http on one of the devices to test something, and it wasn't showing up
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:04] <creiht> And then I realized that I hadn't started zenoss
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:11] <creiht> well I had started zope
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:16] <creiht> but not all the other services
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:21] <ecn> ah
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:31] <ecn> on the dashboard...
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:34] <creiht> Then I started all the other services
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:41] <ecn> there's "Infrastructure Issues"
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:53] <ecn> that should tell you things like that
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:56] <creiht> Cool
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:57] <ecn> that your daemons are down
[02-Jun-2006 16:28:06] <ecn> they report heartbeats
[02-Jun-2006 16:28:16] <ecn> missing heartbeats make them show up
[02-Jun-2006 16:28:34] <creiht> I hadn't looked at the dashboard... I'll play with that later... but that isn't my main issue
[02-Jun-2006 16:28:45] <creiht> So when I started the services
[02-Jun-2006 16:29:09] <creiht> And reloaded the page for my device, http and https monitoring went away
[02-Jun-2006 16:29:19] <creiht> Like it did a rescan of the services
[02-Jun-2006 16:29:39] <ecn> did zendisc run ?
[02-Jun-2006 16:29:52] <creiht> I was expecting for it to come up and tell me that http and https were done
[02-Jun-2006 16:29:53] <creiht> not sure
[02-Jun-2006 16:29:56] <creiht> I did
[02-Jun-2006 16:30:01] <creiht> ./bin/zenoss start
[02-Jun-2006 16:30:10] <creiht> I don't think that runs zendisc
[02-Jun-2006 16:30:30] <ecn> runs zenmodeler, though
[02-Jun-2006 16:30:36] <ecn> I don't know what that does at startup
[02-Jun-2006 16:30:37] <creiht> probably
[02-Jun-2006 16:30:43] <creiht> hmmm
[02-Jun-2006 16:31:12] <creiht> So I'm not sure if that is the desired behavior or not, but it seems like it could be a bit akward
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[02-Jun-2006 16:31:58] <ecn> ok
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:13] <ecn> I'll turn all your comments into mail to Erik
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:17] <ecn> shall I copy you?
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:21] <creiht> Sure
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:25] <creiht> That would be great
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:28] <ecn> mail?
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:28] <creiht> cthier at gmail.com
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:31] <ecn> gotcha
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:35] <creiht> Thanks
[02-Jun-2006 16:33:08] <creiht> I'm really starting to like zenoss
[02-Jun-2006 16:33:27] <ecn> great!
[02-Jun-2006 16:34:07] <creiht> I just played with reports and they are really cool
[02-Jun-2006 16:34:38] <creiht> Do you know what it requires to create custom reports?
[02-Jun-2006 16:34:44] <ecn> I have no idea
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:04] <ecn> Erik just answered someone's question like "coming soon" or something
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:10] <creiht> hehe
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:12] <creiht> That's cool
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:14] <creiht> The problem
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:22] <ecn> they were hoping to connect to the model database over ODBC
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:28] <creiht> is that my curiosity is peaked
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:29] <ecn> but it's not an SQL database
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:53] <creiht> yeah
[02-Jun-2006 16:37:22] <creiht> That is one of the drawbacks of of ZODB is doing custom querying
[02-Jun-2006 16:38:12] <ecn> yep
[02-Jun-2006 16:38:24] <ecn> but all the inheritance stuff is pretty nice
[02-Jun-2006 16:38:40] <creiht> That and keeping track of changes
[02-Jun-2006 16:38:49] <creiht> I'm not against it at all
[02-Jun-2006 16:38:56] <creiht> I think it is a very good use of it
[02-Jun-2006 16:42:23] <ecn> time to get the kids... I'll be around later
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[02-Jun-2006 17:37:19] <creiht> ecn: How many kids do you have?'
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:26] <ecn> 2
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:30] <creiht> Cool
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:32] <ecn> 13 & 11
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:34] <creiht> I have 2 as well
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:40] <creiht> 2.5 and .4
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:41] <creiht>
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:50] <ecn> hard ages
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:54] <creiht> hehe
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:55] <creiht> yeah
[02-Jun-2006 17:38:00] <creiht> They are a lot of fun though
[02-Jun-2006 17:38:08] <creiht> I wouldn't trade it for anything
[02-Jun-2006 17:38:31] <creiht> hmmm
[02-Jun-2006 17:38:42] <creiht> Do you know what the SiteScopeParser is?
[02-Jun-2006 17:38:49] <ecn> googling
[02-Jun-2006 17:38:54] <creiht> hehe
[02-Jun-2006 17:38:58] <creiht> Well it's in the code
[02-Jun-2006 17:39:06] <creiht> I know what Site Scope is
[02-Jun-2006 17:39:09] <ecn> ha... it's in Zenoss 8-)
[02-Jun-2006 17:39:14] <creiht> yeah
[02-Jun-2006 17:39:26] <creiht> I've been looking through the code a bit and found it
[02-Jun-2006 17:39:40] <creiht> Haven't looked at it closely yet
[02-Jun-2006 17:39:59] <ecn> there are a bunch of things in zenoss that need to be cleaned out
[02-Jun-2006 17:40:06] <creiht> hehe
[02-Jun-2006 17:40:10] <ecn> things that were done for specific customers which no longer apply
[02-Jun-2006 17:40:15] <ecn> like anything with Sybase on it
[02-Jun-2006 17:40:28] <creiht> Well if it can catch Site Scope events... that would be really cool
[02-Jun-2006 17:40:36] <creiht> One of our divisions uses Site Scope
[02-Jun-2006 17:40:43] <creiht> hehe
[02-Jun-2006 17:41:13] <ecn> I think the idea is to have status plug-ins to do that stuff
[02-Jun-2006 17:41:20] <ecn> hopefully duncan will do that work
[02-Jun-2006 17:42:11] <creiht> cool
[02-Jun-2006 18:56:20] <creiht> Have a good weekend
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[03-Jun-2006 09:34:10] <openbysource> eric newton here ?
[03-Jun-2006 09:34:43] <ecn> yes
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[03-Jun-2006 09:36:21] <openbysource> I want to do some volunteer stuff for zenoss now I am completely unaware of the things I have studied the architecture though and some more things regarding the product I have personally installed it on my RHEL 4 system and it works great and now I want to help I have also subscribed to the mailing list and I try and understand user problems there , what you suggest me where to start should I learn python ?
[03-Jun-2006 09:37:06] <ecn> what's your background?
[03-Jun-2006 09:37:28] <ecn> ie... are you a programmer, do you know other languages, etc.
[03-Jun-2006 09:37:28] <openbysource> I am a computer science student doing linux for more than 3 years particularly hacking gnome
[03-Jun-2006 09:37:44] <openbysource> yeah c, cpp and of course gtk
[03-Jun-2006 09:38:07] <ecn> you can probably read the python reference manual and know more python than me, then. 8-)
[03-Jun-2006 09:38:48] <openbysource> okay
[03-Jun-2006 09:39:06] <ecn> if you were to learn about zope, the zeo database and twisted, they are all a lot more complex than python itself
[03-Jun-2006 09:39:21] <ecn> what parts are you interested in helping with?
[03-Jun-2006 09:39:35] <openbysource> troubleshooting I guess
[03-Jun-2006 09:40:12] <openbysource> initially though once I get a sound knowledge of the architecture then I can code too
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[03-Jun-2006 13:38:40] <openbysource> okay
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[03-Jun-2006 20:37:39] <openbysource> hello world
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[04-Jun-2006 07:31:19] <openbysource> evening world
[04-Jun-2006 09:10:51] <openbysource> hello anybody there
[04-Jun-2006 09:11:24] <openbysource> I installed zenoss in my fresh fc5 machine and everything seems to work fine but zensnmp daemon seems to die after sometime what's the problem I am not getting
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[04-Jun-2006 09:17:55] <openbysource> I installed zenoss in my fresh fc5 machine and everything seems to work fine but zensnmp daemon seems to die after sometime what's the problem I am not getting
[04-Jun-2006 09:18:56] <ecn> try to run it in the foreground:
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:01] <openbysource> okay
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:02] <ecn> oh... wait
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:06] <ecn> what version are you using?
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:06] <openbysource> ok
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:20] <ecn> you should really try to work from the svn trunk
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:23] <openbysource> 0.19.4
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:29] <ecn> ya, use the trunk
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:34] <ecn> just delete the install
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:40] <ecn> and follow the svn instructions
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:41] <openbysource> okay I clean it all
[04-Jun-2006 09:37:21] <openbysource> how to configure zenoss for one network , where we find this thing zenmonadmin guide ?
[04-Jun-2006 09:41:19] <openbysource> I really like to learn working in zenoss where do I go ?
[04-Jun-2006 09:48:23] <openbysource> okay, now I downloaded from svn trunk, it says version 0-18.0, its older than I had previously
[04-Jun-2006 09:48:40] <ecn> ask google:
[04-Jun-2006 09:48:53] <ecn> "zenoss admin guide"
[04-Jun-2006 09:48:54] <openbysource> oh
[04-Jun-2006 09:48:56] <ecn> it's the first hit
[04-Jun-2006 09:49:15] <ecn> documentation could be improved 8-)
[04-Jun-2006 09:49:37] <openbysource> what about the version , I have downloaded older version I guess from the trunk
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:12] <ecn> http://tinyurl.com/p2ajm
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:13] <ecn> 0.20
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:13] <ecn> which is very very close to the trunk
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:13] <ecn> maybe 2 lines of code different at this point
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:26] <openbysource> I did from > http://dev.zenoss.org/svn/trunk/inst
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:26] <adytum-bot> Title: Revision 1521: /trunk/inst (at dev.zenoss.org)
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:36] <ecn> ya, same version
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:52] <openbysource> okay it said me ,Checked out revision 1521.
[04-Jun-2006 10:08:02] <openbysource> join @zenoss-dev , lol
[04-Jun-2006 10:08:08] <openbysource> #
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[05-Jun-2006 09:48:08] <edahl> test
[05-Jun-2006 09:48:17] <ecn> test test test
[05-Jun-2006 09:48:22] <edahl> cool
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[05-Jun-2006 11:31:41] <openbysource> zenoss in gentoo and issues ?
[05-Jun-2006 11:38:21] <ecn> There may be issues... I haven't tried it personally
[05-Jun-2006 11:38:31] <openbysource> thanks
[05-Jun-2006 11:38:36] <openbysource> I am trying
[05-Jun-2006 11:38:38] <openbysource> lol
[05-Jun-2006 11:38:47] <ecn> what sort of errors are you seeing?
[05-Jun-2006 11:39:06] <openbysource> nothing till now I am emerging python right now lol
[05-Jun-2006 11:39:28] <openbysource> I will test zenoss on around 13 distros
[05-Jun-2006 11:40:39] <ecn> well, at least w/gentoo you won't have to pull down the -devel packages all the other distros need
[05-Jun-2006 11:41:08] <openbysource> yeah that's what the real thing I like about gentoo
[05-Jun-2006 11:41:10] <edahl> That's great that you are testing on a bunch of distros!
[05-Jun-2006 11:41:18] <openbysource> I love zenoss
[05-Jun-2006 11:41:29] <edahl> cool!
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:03] <creiht> openbysource: Installation was super easy on Ubuntu... working on Redhat ES3 right now
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:12] <openbysource> creiht: nice
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:23] <creiht> ES3 is a bit of a pain since RPM's are not available for Python
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:23] <openbysource> creiht: tried dapper ?
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:29] <ecn> i've tested freebsd (yuck!) and FC5
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:34] <openbysource> creiht: ES4
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:42] <creiht> openbysource: Yes it was dapper
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:52] <openbysource> creiht: how's dapper ?
[05-Jun-2006 11:44:02] <creiht> openbysource: Unfortunately our production boxes are running ES3
[05-Jun-2006 11:44:12] <openbysource> creiht: oh
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[05-Jun-2006 11:44:35] <creiht> openbysource: I love it... I have been running the beta on my laptop for the last few months
[05-Jun-2006 11:44:48] <openbysource> ecn: fc5, rhel4ws, gentoo (trying)
[05-Jun-2006 11:44:57] <openbysource> creiht: I started last week
[05-Jun-2006 11:47:23] <creiht> ecn: What's wrong with freebsd?
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[05-Jun-2006 12:05:33] <amodlin> man, wireless is a pain.
[05-Jun-2006 12:05:44] <openbysource> amodlin: lol
[05-Jun-2006 12:05:54] <openbysource> amodlin: what happened
[05-Jun-2006 12:06:10] <amodlin> openbysource: being new to linux is what happened, and trying to get working wireless
[05-Jun-2006 12:06:26] <openbysource> amodlin: need help ?
[05-Jun-2006 12:07:09] <amodlin> openbysource: well, i think i'm pretty good right now im running Ubuntu 6.06 and it's pretty simple to get it working. i was just having problems with VMWare installed and using my wireless
[05-Jun-2006 12:07:37] <openbysource> amodlin: okay
[05-Jun-2006 12:42:33] <creiht> Hmmm
[05-Jun-2006 12:43:01] <openbysource> creiht: what happened
[05-Jun-2006 12:43:40] <creiht> Well my internal server that I am trying to install this on can not reach the outside world via subversion
[05-Jun-2006 12:44:00] <openbysource> creiht: copy the install gz
[05-Jun-2006 12:44:24] <creiht> Where do I find that?
[05-Jun-2006 12:44:53] <creiht> err
[05-Jun-2006 12:44:54] <creiht> well
[05-Jun-2006 12:45:01] <creiht> How do I do that with .20?
[05-Jun-2006 12:45:43] <creiht> off to lunch... bbl
[05-Jun-2006 12:51:02] <ecn> we don't have a .20 tarball (yet)
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[05-Jun-2006 13:06:26] <ecn> what's wrong with freebsd? Hmm. root's login is csh, for one
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[05-Jun-2006 13:09:16] <ecn> creight: you can get the beta tarball:
[05-Jun-2006 13:09:34] <ecn> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.20.0-b1.tar.gz
[05-Jun-2006 13:09:40] <ecn> that's very close to up-to-date
[05-Jun-2006 13:09:54] <ecn> do your internal boxes have http access?
[05-Jun-2006 13:10:49] <ecn> since svn is over std http, it should work
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[05-Jun-2006 13:56:28] <creiht> ecn: It does have http access but evidently our proxy doesn't support the extra http commands used by svn (according to the subversion faq)
[05-Jun-2006 13:57:04] <creiht> ecn: The beta tar ball will probably do well enough for now... How long until an official .20?
[05-Jun-2006 13:57:20] <ecn> oh, maybe an hour 8-)
[05-Jun-2006 13:57:27] * creiht laughs
[05-Jun-2006 13:57:37] <creiht> Perhaps I will wait just a bit then
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[05-Jun-2006 14:37:47] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.20.0-b1.tar.gz
[05-Jun-2006 14:37:47] <edahl> Just cut the .20 release
[05-Jun-2006 14:38:13] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.20.0-b1.tar.gz
[05-Jun-2006 14:38:13] <ecn> erik is having a bad day 8-)
[05-Jun-2006 14:38:36] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.20.0.tar.gz
[05-Jun-2006 14:38:37] <edahl> ok that's it!
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[05-Jun-2006 14:56:15] <creiht> wohoo
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[05-Jun-2006 15:44:39] <creiht> What is the install doing when it is printing out a bunch of . . . . . ?
[05-Jun-2006 15:44:52] <ecn> it's trying to start zeo database
[05-Jun-2006 15:44:57] <creiht> ahhh
[05-Jun-2006 15:44:58] <creiht> ok
[05-Jun-2006 15:45:02] <ecn> and yours is already running
[05-Jun-2006 15:45:07] <creiht> oh
[05-Jun-2006 15:45:08] <creiht> laugh
[05-Jun-2006 15:45:21] <creiht> so should I stop it?
[05-Jun-2006 15:45:27] <ecn> yes
[05-Jun-2006 15:53:41] <creiht> hmmm
[05-Jun-2006 15:53:52] <creiht> I do a zenoss start
[05-Jun-2006 15:54:00] <creiht> Everything shows that they are starting up
[05-Jun-2006 15:54:06] <creiht> And when I do a zenoss status
[05-Jun-2006 15:54:28] <creiht> zenmoddler, ping, syslog, status and actions are not running
[05-Jun-2006 15:54:37] <creiht> Am I missing something
[05-Jun-2006 15:55:21] <ecn> hmm
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[05-Jun-2006 15:55:38] <creiht> Looking at the logs
[05-Jun-2006 15:55:45] <creiht> It says that everything starts up
[05-Jun-2006 15:55:50] * creiht finds nothing to collect
[05-Jun-2006 15:55:55] <creiht> and then says stopping
[05-Jun-2006 15:55:58] <ecn> oh
[05-Jun-2006 15:56:06] <ecn> add a device
[05-Jun-2006 15:56:07] <creiht> like it is doing a run rather than a start
[05-Jun-2006 15:56:13] <creiht> oh
[05-Jun-2006 15:56:14] <creiht> hehe
[05-Jun-2006 15:56:14] <creiht> ok
[05-Jun-2006 15:57:39] <creiht> hmm has the url for the portal changed?
[05-Jun-2006 15:58:03] <creiht> I get a Site Error when I try to go to /zport/dmd
[05-Jun-2006 15:58:12] <ecn> nope
[05-Jun-2006 15:58:15] <ecn> that's a problem
[05-Jun-2006 15:58:32] <ecn> did you restart zope after you brought out the zeo database?
[05-Jun-2006 15:58:47] <creiht> I don't think so
[05-Jun-2006 15:59:48] <creiht> zope restarted and still the same error
[05-Jun-2006 16:00:28] <creiht> I'm going to try re--installing
[05-Jun-2006 16:00:36] <creiht> I might have messed up the install
[05-Jun-2006 16:00:50] <creiht> The first attempt failed and I removed everything and tried again
[05-Jun-2006 16:00:58] <creiht> But forgot the zope process was still running
[05-Jun-2006 16:01:22] <ecn> kill everything that seems to be python 8-)
[05-Jun-2006 16:01:30] <ecn> make clean
[05-Jun-2006 16:01:35] <ecn> rm -rf $ZENHOME
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[05-Jun-2006 16:11:37] <creiht> Yes that seems to have been the problem
[05-Jun-2006 16:12:06] <ecn> the install script does shutdown zenoss if it finds it installed
[05-Jun-2006 16:12:53] <creiht> Well I had removed the directory
[05-Jun-2006 16:13:02] <creiht> but the processes were still running
[05-Jun-2006 16:13:09] <ecn> right
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[05-Jun-2006 16:23:15] <creiht> Is there a way that I can control what IP Services show up under the OS tab when looking at devices?
[05-Jun-2006 16:28:13] <edahl> zIpServiceMapMaxPort
[05-Jun-2006 16:28:27] <edahl> can be set to the highest port number collected
[05-Jun-2006 16:28:37] <creiht> hmmm
[05-Jun-2006 16:28:38] <edahl> default 1024
[05-Jun-2006 16:28:49] <creiht> Well that's not exactly what I am looking for
[05-Jun-2006 16:28:51] <creiht> For example
[05-Jun-2006 16:29:00] <creiht> smux show sup
[05-Jun-2006 16:29:13] <creiht> It's not even set up to monitor that and I will not be monitoring that
[05-Jun-2006 16:29:52] <creiht> What would be ideal is to only show the services that are currently being monitored
[05-Jun-2006 16:30:05] <edahl> we need a filter for that
[05-Jun-2006 16:30:21] <creiht> That would work
[05-Jun-2006 16:30:36] <edahl> its nice to see all ipservices sometimes
[05-Jun-2006 16:30:52] <creiht> Even ones that are set to not be monitored?
[05-Jun-2006 16:31:02] <edahl> so you know they are there
[05-Jun-2006 16:31:06] <creiht> ahhh
[05-Jun-2006 16:31:25] <creiht> That's true
[05-Jun-2006 16:32:01] <creiht> Perhaps another option in the service definition so you could define which ones show up
[05-Jun-2006 16:32:26] <edahl> good idea
[05-Jun-2006 16:32:34] <creiht> That would work well for us
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[05-Jun-2006 16:33:40] <creiht> Another nice thing would be to have the ability to manually set a service to be monitored on a device
[05-Jun-2006 16:33:46] <creiht> Even if it isn't detected
[05-Jun-2006 16:34:41] <creiht> We have to sometimes set things up before the customer has configured everything
[05-Jun-2006 16:35:14] <creiht> And it is easier to do it all up front, rather than having to remember to come back later and add stuff
[05-Jun-2006 16:35:40] <edahl> you shouldn't have to do stuff later if you setup the service class to be monitored
[05-Jun-2006 16:35:54] <edahl> once its discovered monitoring starts automagically
[05-Jun-2006 16:36:03] <creiht> That's true
[05-Jun-2006 16:36:19] <creiht> But that brings up another point
[05-Jun-2006 16:36:34] <creiht> Monitoring is a service we provide to customers
[05-Jun-2006 16:36:48] <creiht> We don't monitor everything
[05-Jun-2006 16:36:57] <creiht> We monitor specific things
[05-Jun-2006 16:37:24] <creiht> So one customer may not want monitoring for http, so we don't want it auto-detected
[05-Jun-2006 16:37:46] <edahl> difference between detected and monitored
[05-Jun-2006 16:37:59] <edahl> you can shut off monitoring at the instance (for one customer)
[05-Jun-2006 16:39:25] <creiht> so if I am looking at the device, and I click on one of the services, I can set monitored to False and it will turn off monitoring for just that one server, and not system wide?
[05-Jun-2006 16:39:28] <edahl> so all http monitored by default except cust xyz server pdq
[05-Jun-2006 16:39:35] <edahl> yes
[05-Jun-2006 16:39:38] <creiht> ok
[05-Jun-2006 16:39:42] <creiht> That's cool
[05-Jun-2006 16:39:51] <edahl> you need to go to the "class" to shut off system wide
[05-Jun-2006 16:39:57] <edahl> very powerfull!
[05-Jun-2006 16:40:00] <edahl> l
[05-Jun-2006 16:40:02] <creiht> I wasn't sure as it looked like it would shut it off system wide
[05-Jun-2006 16:40:05] <creiht> yes indeed
[05-Jun-2006 16:40:38] <creiht> Then something that would be nice is a column in IP Services that shows weather or not monitoring is turned on for the service
[05-Jun-2006 16:40:45] <edahl> most config in zenoss works this way
[05-Jun-2006 16:40:57] <creiht> cool
[05-Jun-2006 16:41:11] <edahl> if status == none its turned off
[05-Jun-2006 16:41:20] <creiht> oh
[05-Jun-2006 16:41:24] <creiht> That works
[05-Jun-2006 16:41:39] <edahl> guess it could be there explictly
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[05-Jun-2006 16:42:47] <creiht> So what does status show if monitoring is turned on for the service, but was not detected for the device?
[05-Jun-2006 16:43:07] <edahl> it won't be listed
[05-Jun-2006 16:43:17] <edahl> on device
[05-Jun-2006 16:43:42] <creiht> hmmm
[05-Jun-2006 16:44:26] <creiht> Then I guess I am a bit confused as to why then services that are turned off show up in the IP Services list
[05-Jun-2006 16:44:59] <edahl> they exist on the box but aren't being monitored
[05-Jun-2006 16:45:13] <creiht> oh
[05-Jun-2006 16:45:32] <creiht> That makes sense now
[05-Jun-2006 16:45:49] <creiht> I feel a bit silly now
[05-Jun-2006 16:46:24] <creiht> So then the opposite would hold true that if I turn a service on for a box (that is globally off) it will turn it on for just that box?
[05-Jun-2006 16:46:40] <edahl> yep
[05-Jun-2006 16:46:46] <creiht> Ahhh
[05-Jun-2006 16:46:48] <creiht> ok
[05-Jun-2006 16:47:11] <creiht> Now that I understand this a bit better ignore my previous statements
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[05-Jun-2006 17:18:57] <creiht> hmmm... So what would cause the SMTP service to be on globally but be turned off on the server that I auto-discovered?
[05-Jun-2006 17:27:08] <creiht> ugh
[05-Jun-2006 17:27:19] <creiht> Nevermind
[05-Jun-2006 17:27:36] <creiht> My brain intertwined SNMP and SMTP
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[06-Jun-2006 10:49:30] <creiht> Do any of you guys run port sentry?
[06-Jun-2006 10:49:56] <ecn> nope
[06-Jun-2006 10:50:06] <ecn> or rather, I don't
[06-Jun-2006 10:50:06] <creiht> Some of our servers run it
[06-Jun-2006 10:50:38] <creiht> And when I run the collect, a lot of extra services show up
[06-Jun-2006 10:50:46] <creiht> And I think it is because of port sentry
[06-Jun-2006 10:50:58] <creiht> Since it actually binds all the ports it is monitoring
[06-Jun-2006 10:51:07] <edahl> yuck!
[06-Jun-2006 10:51:12] <creiht> hehe
[06-Jun-2006 10:51:13] <creiht> yeah
[06-Jun-2006 10:51:26] <edahl> on every port?
[06-Jun-2006 10:51:41] <creiht> not every port
[06-Jun-2006 10:52:03] <creiht> It only monitors commonly exploited ports
[06-Jun-2006 10:52:24] <creiht> Like tftp
[06-Jun-2006 10:52:34] <creiht> At least I think... I'm not completely familiar with it
[06-Jun-2006 10:52:41] <edahl> got it and only when there is no server there
[06-Jun-2006 10:52:49] <edahl> ie tftp server?
[06-Jun-2006 10:52:57] <creiht> right
[06-Jun-2006 10:53:47] <creiht> So a currently monitored filter would be nice now
[06-Jun-2006 10:57:11] <edahl> yes would be nice
[06-Jun-2006 10:57:14] <edahl> I will add ticket
[06-Jun-2006 10:57:19] <creiht> cool
[06-Jun-2006 10:57:36] <creiht> One other interesting thing has also popped up
[06-Jun-2006 10:58:09] <edahl> #134
[06-Jun-2006 10:58:37] <creiht> well hmmm
[06-Jun-2006 10:58:42] <creiht> Let me test it some more
[06-Jun-2006 10:58:48] <edahl> k
[06-Jun-2006 10:58:54] <creiht> Otherwise things are going ver well
[06-Jun-2006 10:59:50] <edahl> cool
[06-Jun-2006 11:03:10] <creiht> I guess another option is that I could delete most of those services
[06-Jun-2006 11:03:23] <creiht> As I'm never going to need to monitor things like tftp
[06-Jun-2006 11:03:31] <creiht> or would that cause issues?
[06-Jun-2006 11:03:56] <edahl> best to mark them to not be monitored for now
[06-Jun-2006 11:04:07] <edahl> and then filter them out
[06-Jun-2006 11:04:19] <edahl> maybe we need a hide or something like that
[06-Jun-2006 11:04:34] <creiht> That would be cool as well
[06-Jun-2006 11:04:44] <edahl> deleting them makes it hard for autodiscovery to know not to add them back
[06-Jun-2006 11:04:59] <creiht> and Monitor is False for those services
[06-Jun-2006 11:05:11] <creiht> ahhh
[06-Jun-2006 11:05:29] <edahl> yes
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[06-Jun-2006 12:07:12] <creiht> Hmmm
[06-Jun-2006 12:07:22] <creiht> Anyone know what else might block snmp
[06-Jun-2006 12:08:13] <creiht> besides iptables
[06-Jun-2006 12:08:16] <creiht> and portsentry
[06-Jun-2006 12:08:39] <creiht> I'm using the same snmpd.conf as other servers that are working
[06-Jun-2006 12:08:43] * creiht logs show snmp starts
[06-Jun-2006 12:08:59] <creiht> I also get a log message that says
[06-Jun-2006 12:08:59] <creiht> Received SNMP packet(s) from
[06-Jun-2006 12:09:17] <creiht> But when trying to load the device, it can't find snmp
[06-Jun-2006 12:37:30] <creiht> On another note
[06-Jun-2006 12:37:47] <creiht> I've created a section in Systems and added devices to it
[06-Jun-2006 12:38:21] <creiht> No if I go to that systems page, and select the Performance tab I see the devices listed but no performance information... Is something supposed to show up here?
[06-Jun-2006 13:45:33] <creiht> Ahh well.. I will be back after lunch
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[06-Jun-2006 15:03:45] <ecn> creight: are you running zenperfsnmp?
[06-Jun-2006 15:04:24] <ecn> oops
[06-Jun-2006 15:04:37] <ecn> creiht: are you running zenperfsnmp?
[06-Jun-2006 15:07:35] <creiht> ecn: Yes
[06-Jun-2006 15:08:29] <ecn> hmm
[06-Jun-2006 15:08:38] <ecn> try running zensnmp in the foreground
[06-Jun-2006 15:08:43] <ecn> like this:
[06-Jun-2006 15:08:49] <ecn> zenperfsnmp run -v 10
[06-Jun-2006 15:09:35] <creiht> ok just a sec...
[06-Jun-2006 15:19:11] <creiht> ecn: Should I stop zenperfsnmp first?
[06-Jun-2006 15:19:19] <ecn> naw
[06-Jun-2006 15:19:58] <creiht> ok done
[06-Jun-2006 15:20:49] <creiht> What should I be looking for?
[06-Jun-2006 15:20:52] <ecn> errors
[06-Jun-2006 15:21:00] <ecn> did it say anything about creating files?
[06-Jun-2006 15:22:09] <creiht> No errors
[06-Jun-2006 15:22:14] <creiht> No creating files
[06-Jun-2006 15:22:22] <creiht> Which question is this in response to?
[06-Jun-2006 15:22:32] <creiht> Just receiving config for my devices
[06-Jun-2006 15:24:02] <creiht> I think my brain reset after lunch.. and I don't even remember what I asked earlier
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:03] <amodlin> <creiht> Anyone know what else might block snmp
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:05] <amodlin> <creiht> No if I go to that systems page, and select the Performance tab I see the devices listed but no performance information... Is something supposed to show up here?
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:06] <amodlin> those questions?
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:29] <creiht> ahhh
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:30] <ecn> yes, that's what I'm trying to figure out
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:31] <creiht> thanks
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:38] <ecn> ok, so...
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:42] <ecn> go look at the perf again
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:53] <ecn> do you see a lack of charts?
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:57] <ecn> or a lack of anything?
[06-Jun-2006 15:26:15] <creiht> ok
[06-Jun-2006 15:26:27] <creiht> The perf stuff shows if I go to a specific device
[06-Jun-2006 15:26:42] <creiht> If I go to my Systems group that I created
[06-Jun-2006 15:26:57] <creiht> And click on the performance tab
[06-Jun-2006 15:27:05] <creiht> I get the names of all the servers
[06-Jun-2006 15:27:08] <creiht> but no graphs
[06-Jun-2006 15:27:50] <ecn> ok, I'll ask Erik when he gets back in the office
[06-Jun-2006 15:28:14] <creiht> cool
[06-Jun-2006 15:28:15] <creiht> thanks
[06-Jun-2006 15:48:42] <edahl> are you sure they have perf graphs?
[06-Jun-2006 15:48:50] <edahl> each server that is
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[06-Jun-2006 15:50:37] <edahl> ok i'm seeing it on my demo system
[06-Jun-2006 15:50:48] <edahl> haven't looked at that screen in a while
[06-Jun-2006 15:50:52] <edahl> must be a bug
[06-Jun-2006 15:52:45] <creiht> edahl: cool
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[06-Jun-2006 16:05:40] <creiht> How do I add a device that doesn't have snmp, but I want to monitor the services (HTTP, etc.)?
[06-Jun-2006 16:09:39] <edahl> you can add a device with no snmp by setting Discovery Protocol to none on device add
[06-Jun-2006 16:09:45] <edahl> screen
[06-Jun-2006 16:09:51] <creiht> edahl: I tried that
[06-Jun-2006 16:09:55] <creiht> If I go to the OS tab
[06-Jun-2006 16:09:58] <creiht> Nothing shows up
[06-Jun-2006 16:10:03] <edahl> right
[06-Jun-2006 16:10:08] <creiht> At least no services do
[06-Jun-2006 16:10:12] <edahl> no services discovered
[06-Jun-2006 16:10:19] <edahl> you are in ping only mode at that point
[06-Jun-2006 16:10:26] <creiht> Ahhh
[06-Jun-2006 16:10:28] <edahl> can you discover though ssh?
[06-Jun-2006 16:10:55] <creiht> If I select that, it still tries to do an snmp discovery
[06-Jun-2006 16:11:01] <edahl> we have an enhancment request to discover services via tcp scan
[06-Jun-2006 16:11:06] <creiht> and no services are discovered
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:04] <creiht> Do I need to do anything else to do ssh discovery other than select ssh?
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:18] <edahl> ssh is there but doesn't work today
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:18] <creiht> And discovering via tcp would be nice
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:21] <edahl> set it on none
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:29] <creiht> ahh
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:39] <edahl> ssh can be done after you load the device
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:45] <creiht> oh
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:46] <creiht> ok
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:49] <creiht> let me add a device
[06-Jun-2006 16:13:19] <creiht> does it need login credentials
[06-Jun-2006 16:13:20] <creiht> ?
[06-Jun-2006 16:13:35] <edahl> just set zCommandUsername
[06-Jun-2006 16:13:46] <edahl> zCommandPassword
[06-Jun-2006 16:13:57] <creiht> hehe... well I don't have login access
[06-Jun-2006 16:13:59] <edahl> or preshared key in zenoss/.ssh
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:02] <edahl> right
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:14] <edahl> tcp scan is what you need
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:20] <creiht> yes
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:28] <creiht> pokes oubiwann
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:30] <edahl> how does opennms do this
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:30] <creiht>
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:33] <edahl> ?
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:40] <edahl> right
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:44] <creiht> I'm not completely sure
[06-Jun-2006 16:15:03] <creiht> We add an interface
[06-Jun-2006 16:15:16] <creiht> Well I think I know
[06-Jun-2006 16:15:50] <creiht> They have a config file in which you set up what services you want to monitor
[06-Jun-2006 16:16:39] <creiht> So for example you might define a SSH service as a TCP poll on port 23 (Don't remember the port of the top of my head)
[06-Jun-2006 16:17:09] <creiht> They have a daemon that runs called capsd
[06-Jun-2006 16:17:15] <creiht> That checks for capabilities
[06-Jun-2006 16:17:46] <creiht> So when I add a new interface (a device) it scans the config for all the configurations, and checks if that service is available
[06-Jun-2006 16:18:41] <creiht> So with zenoss does it use snmp to figure out what services are running?
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[06-Jun-2006 16:25:39] <edahl> snmp or ssh
[06-Jun-2006 16:26:31] <edahl> but tcp scan is easy to add
[06-Jun-2006 16:26:47] <edahl> and useful in this case (another user has asked for this as well)
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[06-Jun-2006 16:29:42] <edahl> made enhancement for this #135
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[06-Jun-2006 16:30:36] <creiht> wohoo
[06-Jun-2006 16:30:37] <creiht>
[06-Jun-2006 16:35:25] <creiht> So is the polling for services done then through snmp as well?
[06-Jun-2006 16:38:56] <edahl> either way snmp/ssh/tcpscan
[06-Jun-2006 16:39:33] <creiht> ok
[06-Jun-2006 16:39:38] <creiht> interesting
[06-Jun-2006 16:39:51] <creiht> This thing is very slick
[06-Jun-2006 16:43:04] <edahl> thanks!
[06-Jun-2006 16:43:24] <creiht> The thing that ONMS has lacked is a good UI
[06-Jun-2006 16:43:30] <edahl> ok
[06-Jun-2006 16:43:44] <creiht> And this UI is soooooo much better and more useful
[06-Jun-2006 16:43:51] <edahl> great!
[06-Jun-2006 16:44:02] <edahl> do you want to talk more on phone sometime?
[06-Jun-2006 16:44:12] <creiht> Actually that would be cool
[06-Jun-2006 16:44:44] <creiht> How scaleable is zenoss
[06-Jun-2006 16:44:44] <edahl> tomorrow afternoon and friday are good for me...
[06-Jun-2006 16:44:58] <creiht> Lets shoot for Friday
[06-Jun-2006 16:44:59] <edahl> largest customer is big cable company
[06-Jun-2006 16:45:15] <edahl> 1500 devices most large switches or routers
[06-Jun-2006 16:45:22] <creiht> Scaleability is what ONMS has going for it
[06-Jun-2006 16:45:24] <edahl> friday is great
[06-Jun-2006 16:45:46] <creiht> Friday's are much slower for me so that works well
[06-Jun-2006 16:45:55] <creiht> I should be on IRC then, so we can arange it then
[06-Jun-2006 16:45:55] <edahl> cool
[06-Jun-2006 16:45:59] <edahl> sounds good
[06-Jun-2006 16:47:06] <creiht> Right now I'm just going to be monitoring about 30 servers that we use for production
[06-Jun-2006 16:47:18] <creiht> On a larger scale we monitor about 25K devices total
[06-Jun-2006 16:47:19] <edahl> no problem there
[06-Jun-2006 16:47:44] <edahl> are you doing performance monitoring against 25k devs?
[06-Jun-2006 16:47:51] <edahl> or just service monitoring
[06-Jun-2006 16:47:55] <creiht> Right now that is just service monitoring
[06-Jun-2006 16:48:09] <creiht> A very small subset does performance monitoring
[06-Jun-2006 16:48:16] <edahl> should be no problem
[06-Jun-2006 16:48:19] <creiht> And we are looking to expanding the performance monitoring
[06-Jun-2006 16:48:50] <edahl> that requires serious horse power
[06-Jun-2006 16:48:58] <creiht> But I can't promise anything beyond my current 30 production servers right now
[06-Jun-2006 16:49:05] <edahl> no worries!
[06-Jun-2006 16:49:06] <creiht> Yeah
[06-Jun-2006 16:49:30] <creiht> Hardware shouldn't be a problem for us
[06-Jun-2006 16:49:57] <edahl>
[06-Jun-2006 16:49:57] <creiht> The nice thing is that those 25K devices are split across 5 datacenters
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:06] <edahl> that's cool
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:11] <creiht> With the biggest DC being about 6k devices
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:21] <edahl> cool we are in DC
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:21] <creiht> So we have separate systems in each DC
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:32] <creiht> oh DC=datacenter
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:34] <creiht> sorry
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:40] <creiht> We are in San Antonio, TX
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:41] <edahl>
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:49] <creiht> Though we have a DC in dulles
[06-Jun-2006 16:51:02] <edahl> that's what I thought
[06-Jun-2006 16:51:10] <creiht> Which is close I hear
[06-Jun-2006 16:51:15] <edahl> yep
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[07-Jun-2006 10:21:45] <creiht> Good morning
[07-Jun-2006 10:22:20] <amodli1> Morning
[07-Jun-2006 10:23:31] <creiht> So are you guys ready for some more suggestions?
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[07-Jun-2006 10:57:50] <creiht> ecn!
[07-Jun-2006 10:57:57] <ecn> Howdy
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[07-Jun-2006 10:58:17] <creiht> Do you know if you can handle SNMP Traps with zenoss?
[07-Jun-2006 10:58:27] <ecn> I don't know
[07-Jun-2006 10:58:35] <ecn> I think so
[07-Jun-2006 10:59:17] <ecn> Erik says it will in the next release
[07-Jun-2006 10:59:22] <creiht> ahh cool
[07-Jun-2006 10:59:27] <creiht> I need it now!
[07-Jun-2006 10:59:28] <creiht>
[07-Jun-2006 10:59:29] <creiht> jk
[07-Jun-2006 10:59:51] <edahl> #21
[07-Jun-2006 10:59:56] <edahl> enhancement
[07-Jun-2006 11:00:14] <creiht> Cool
[07-Jun-2006 11:01:42] <creiht> I have another suggestion for Alerting rules
[07-Jun-2006 11:02:12] <creiht> Right now the message is just one line and is used for both the subject and the message text
[07-Jun-2006 11:02:20] <creiht> It would be nice to have separate fields for both
[07-Jun-2006 11:02:36] <creiht> And a larger field to be able to enter more text
[07-Jun-2006 11:02:41] <creiht> for the message text
[07-Jun-2006 11:05:36] <edahl> yes good thought
[07-Jun-2006 11:06:01] <edahl> I'm adding it to #44
[07-Jun-2006 11:06:08] <edahl> which is about better alerting
[07-Jun-2006 11:06:15] <creiht> cool
[07-Jun-2006 11:09:05] <creiht> Any plans to be able to monitor JMX?
[07-Jun-2006 11:11:18] <edahl> definitely plan to do it
[07-Jun-2006 11:11:33] <edahl> your the first requester of the feature
[07-Jun-2006 11:11:41] <edahl> how important is it to you?
[07-Jun-2006 11:12:08] <creiht> Handling traps will most like do what I need
[07-Jun-2006 11:12:13] <edahl> cool
[07-Jun-2006 11:12:16] <creiht> We have some JBOSS cluseters
[07-Jun-2006 11:12:29] <creiht> And want to monitor for some events
[07-Jun-2006 11:12:48] <edahl> can you get events through JMX?
[07-Jun-2006 11:12:58] <creiht> We can expose those through either SNMP traps or JMX
[07-Jun-2006 11:13:03] <edahl> got it
[07-Jun-2006 11:13:25] <creiht> I suspect that SNMP traps are much easier
[07-Jun-2006 11:13:40] <edahl> yep nothing like open standards
[07-Jun-2006 11:14:05] <creiht> On down the road though, being able to monitor JMX opens up a lot of cool possibilities
[07-Jun-2006 11:14:28] <edahl> yep I will add an enhancement so we are tracking it
[07-Jun-2006 11:15:00] <creiht> And I would bet would open up a bunch of potential users of zenoss
[07-Jun-2006 11:16:22] <creiht> So I have showed it to several of my co-workers now
[07-Jun-2006 11:16:32] <creiht> Most of the responses have been
[07-Jun-2006 11:16:37] <creiht> Holy cow that is cool
[07-Jun-2006 11:17:44] <edahl> great!
[07-Jun-2006 11:17:56] <creiht> Setting up alerting seems to be the biggest downer for every one that I show it to
[07-Jun-2006 11:18:23] <edahl> having to put the where clause in?
[07-Jun-2006 11:18:27] <creiht> yeah
[07-Jun-2006 11:18:29] <edahl> IE no GUI
[07-Jun-2006 11:18:41] <creiht> yes
[07-Jun-2006 11:18:46] <edahl> so big three features of 0.21 are
[07-Jun-2006 11:18:48] <edahl> traps
[07-Jun-2006 11:18:59] <edahl> process monitoring through SNMP Host Resources
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:07] <edahl> and Alerting Improvements
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:13] <creiht> cool
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:23] <edahl> here is a good place to track
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:26] <edahl> progress
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:50] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/milestone/zenoss-0.21.0
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Milestone zenoss-0.21.0 - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:50] <creiht> ahh
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:50] <creiht> very good
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:50] <edahl> all features for existing customers
[07-Jun-2006 11:20:05] <creiht> process monitoring sounds cool as well
[07-Jun-2006 11:20:17] <edahl> yes
[07-Jun-2006 11:20:35] <creiht> Do you guys have a timeframe in mind for the .21 release?
[07-Jun-2006 11:21:05] <creiht> I know that is a tough question to ask
[07-Jun-2006 11:25:13] <edahl> 4 weeks right now but I'm guess we will need an extra 2
[07-Jun-2006 11:25:40] <edahl> (Its part of the milestone screen...)
[07-Jun-2006 11:27:16] <creiht> oh
[07-Jun-2006 11:27:21] <creiht> heh... I missed that
[07-Jun-2006 11:27:28] <creiht> Cool
[07-Jun-2006 11:29:34] <creiht> So next question...
[07-Jun-2006 11:29:46] <creiht> I notice that there is a syslog monitor
[07-Jun-2006 11:29:50] <creiht> err not monitor
[07-Jun-2006 11:29:51] <creiht> daemon
[07-Jun-2006 11:30:07] <creiht> Does that allow the monitoring of syslog messages?
[07-Jun-2006 11:30:21] <edahl> yep
[07-Jun-2006 11:30:24] <creiht> Cool
[07-Jun-2006 11:30:34] <creiht> How do you set that up?
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:05] <edahl> start it up and point boxes to it
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:13] <creiht> oh
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:17] <creiht> That makes sense
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:23] <edahl> admin guide talks about how to create mapping rules
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:34] <edahl> (although this needs some improvement)
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:35] <creiht> Cool I will check that out
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:37] <creiht> hehe
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:42] <edahl>
[07-Jun-2006 11:37:13] <creiht> Well if that works, we may be able to do what we needed traps for through the syslog monitor
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[07-Jun-2006 11:51:26] <edahl> cool!
[07-Jun-2006 12:09:41] <creiht> Is there a way to use a different port for the syslog daemon?
[07-Jun-2006 12:11:30] <ecn> yes
[07-Jun-2006 12:11:38] <ecn> but not via config
[07-Jun-2006 12:12:02] <ecn> change SYSLOG_PORT in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenEvents/zensyslog.py
[07-Jun-2006 12:12:22] <creiht> ahhh ok
[07-Jun-2006 12:12:55] <creiht> The server that is running zenoss is already running a syslog server
[07-Jun-2006 12:13:41] <ecn> ok
[07-Jun-2006 12:13:57] <ecn> well, then zensyslog isn't going to get those events
[07-Jun-2006 12:14:19] <creiht> and that is fine
[07-Jun-2006 12:14:38] <creiht> For now we are just going to send targeted events to zenoss
[07-Jun-2006 12:14:56] <creiht> for syslog
[07-Jun-2006 12:15:38] <creiht> If this works out well, then we may move all syslog traffic to go through zenoss
[07-Jun-2006 12:16:42] <ecn> ok, great!
[07-Jun-2006 12:18:42] <creiht> We also run splunk on this server
[07-Jun-2006 12:21:33] <ecn> googling
[07-Jun-2006 12:22:05] <ecn> ah
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[07-Jun-2006 14:51:03] <creiht> edahl: What SNMP agent do you guys recommend for monitoring Windows boxes?
[07-Jun-2006 14:54:54] <ecn> http://www.snmp-informant.com/download.htm
[07-Jun-2006 14:54:54] <adytum-bot> Title: snmp-informant.com (at www.snmp-informant.com)
[07-Jun-2006 14:54:54] <edahl> snmp-informant
[07-Jun-2006 14:54:55] <edahl> has a free thing thats cool
[07-Jun-2006 14:58:01] <creiht> Cool
[07-Jun-2006 14:58:09] <creiht> I have looked at that before
[07-Jun-2006 15:56:52] <creiht> Argh.... Log4J's Syslog appender doesn't allow you to set the port
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[08-Jun-2006 11:43:43] <creiht> ecn: Do you know by chance what unit of time the delay is when creating alerting rules?
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[08-Jun-2006 14:54:44] <ecn> creight: I don't think I even understand the question
[08-Jun-2006 14:55:31] <creiht> ecn: When you are creating an alerting rule for a user
[08-Jun-2006 14:55:56] <creiht> There is a field called delay
[08-Jun-2006 14:56:17] <creiht> I'm guessing that it is how long it waits after an event occurs before the action is taken
[08-Jun-2006 14:56:36] <creiht> And I'm guessing that it is in minutes... but it isn't completely obvious
[08-Jun-2006 14:56:41] <creiht> It could be seconds
[08-Jun-2006 15:15:01] <ecn> it is seconds
[08-Jun-2006 15:15:16] <ecn> it is used against a database timestamp() which is in seconds
[08-Jun-2006 15:15:59] <creiht> Ahh cool
[08-Jun-2006 15:16:03] <creiht> Thanks
[08-Jun-2006 15:16:52] <creiht> Things are going well
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:00] <creiht> I have about 30 servers being monitored
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:13] <ecn> erik is very happy to have an opennms person checking out the system
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:22] <ecn> thank you
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:24] <creiht> hehe
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:36] <creiht> I don't know if I would call myself an opennms person
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:46] <creiht> I just know enough to be dangerous
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:47] <ecn> well, you're at least familiar w/it
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:58] <ecn> we're just trying to get it installed 8-)
[08-Jun-2006 15:18:02] <creiht> hehe
[08-Jun-2006 15:18:10] <creiht> I have run into a couple of oddities
[08-Jun-2006 15:18:25] <creiht> I had one time that a service on a box went down
[08-Jun-2006 15:18:36] <creiht> The event triggered and I got an email
[08-Jun-2006 15:18:52] <creiht> I was at lunch so I checked the device when I got back
[08-Jun-2006 15:19:06] <creiht> And it didn't have the service listed as monitored any more
[08-Jun-2006 15:19:22] <creiht> And when I checked the server, the service was back up
[08-Jun-2006 15:19:36] <ecn> hmm
[08-Jun-2006 15:19:44] <ecn> that is strange
[08-Jun-2006 15:19:47] <creiht> I clicked on the manage tab, and told it to reload the configuration
[08-Jun-2006 15:19:54] <creiht> And everything went back to normal
[08-Jun-2006 15:19:59] <creiht> but yeah it was strange
[08-Jun-2006 15:20:14] <ecn> I know that it will sort of auto-ack events when things clear up
[08-Jun-2006 15:20:25] <ecn> so if a service goes away and comes back... the alert will clear
[08-Jun-2006 15:20:30] <creiht> Right
[08-Jun-2006 15:20:31] <ecn> but it should still be monitores
[08-Jun-2006 15:20:35] <ecn> monitored
[08-Jun-2006 15:21:56] <creiht> Right it wasn't monitored any longer, and I didn't receive a message letting me know that it was back up either
[08-Jun-2006 15:22:08] <creiht> So it seems to indicate that it stopped monitoring it while it was down
[08-Jun-2006 15:22:19] <creiht> As if it had done a re-scan while it was down or something
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[09-Jun-2006 10:43:42] <creiht> edahl: So I have had a couple of outages now where while the service is down, the service doesn't show up in the list of IP Services any longer.
[09-Jun-2006 10:44:14] <creiht> In one instance I recollected the configuration, and it picked it up again
[09-Jun-2006 10:44:36] <edahl> the machine got modeled during the outage
[09-Jun-2006 10:44:50] <edahl> you might take zenmodeler out of daemon mode
[09-Jun-2006 10:44:57] <creiht> ahhh
[09-Jun-2006 10:44:59] <edahl> and run once perday
[09-Jun-2006 10:45:03] <edahl> from cron
[09-Jun-2006 10:45:13] <creiht> ok that would make sense
[09-Jun-2006 10:45:30] <edahl> let me get an example on sec...
[09-Jun-2006 10:46:24] <creiht> So if I take zenmodeler out of daemon mode, will I still be able to Add new devices?
[09-Jun-2006 10:48:00] <edahl> yep
[09-Jun-2006 10:48:09] <creiht> cool
[09-Jun-2006 10:48:28] <creiht> Is there a way that I can configure it so that it will not start up with a zenoss start?
[09-Jun-2006 10:51:43] <edahl> yes take it out of zenoss control script
[09-Jun-2006 10:51:54] <edahl> there is a list of what to start ther
[09-Jun-2006 10:51:55] <edahl> e
[09-Jun-2006 10:55:14] <creiht> ok
[09-Jun-2006 10:55:46] <edahl> here is how to run from cron
[09-Jun-2006 10:55:48] <edahl> bin/zenmodeler run --logpath $ZENHOME/log -v30 >> log/zenmodeler.err.log 2>&1
[09-Jun-2006 10:55:57] <edahl> with proper path...
[09-Jun-2006 10:56:12] <edahl> and
[09-Jun-2006 10:56:13] <edahl> export ZENHOME=/usr/local/zenoss
[09-Jun-2006 10:56:14] <edahl> export PYTHONPATH=$ZENHOME/lib/python
[09-Jun-2006 10:58:44] <creiht> Do I have to run it, or can I just stop it and not worry about it?
[09-Jun-2006 10:58:58] <ecn> you can just stop it
[09-Jun-2006 11:00:07] <creiht> cool
[09-Jun-2006 11:00:15] <creiht> For our needs, that is probably best
[09-Jun-2006 11:01:22] <creiht> In another case we have several servers, where we actually removed MySQL
[09-Jun-2006 11:01:31] <creiht> I have events saying that it is down
[09-Jun-2006 11:01:41] <creiht> And the modeller has already removed them
[09-Jun-2006 11:01:45] <creiht> Which is fine
[09-Jun-2006 11:01:51] <creiht> How do I clear the events?
[09-Jun-2006 11:02:08] <edahl> history button on events console
[09-Jun-2006 11:02:45] <edahl> they may not have auto cleared because they were removed
[09-Jun-2006 11:04:23] <creiht> oh cooll
[09-Jun-2006 11:04:39] <creiht> I wondered what that button did
[09-Jun-2006 11:04:50] <creiht> It wasn't immediatly obviou
[09-Jun-2006 11:04:52] <creiht> err
[09-Jun-2006 11:04:55] <creiht> obvious
[09-Jun-2006 11:32:06] <edahl> right
[09-Jun-2006 11:32:12] <edahl> moves events to history db
[09-Jun-2006 12:06:25] <creiht> Hmmm
[09-Jun-2006 12:06:44] <creiht> I just noticed that it appears that performance monitoring is done every minute
[09-Jun-2006 12:07:19] <creiht> Is there a reason that it is done that often? (Most other monitoring systems that I have looked at do it every 5 minutes)
[09-Jun-2006 12:07:52] <ecn> Management -> Monitors -> Performance -> localhost -> Edit
[09-Jun-2006 12:08:27] <ecn> a paying customer recently challenged us by requesting perf measurement on 60 second intervals
[09-Jun-2006 12:08:44] <ecn> so, it's been the default
[09-Jun-2006 12:08:45] <creiht> Ahhh
[09-Jun-2006 12:08:54] <creiht> Yeah I'm about to edit it
[09-Jun-2006 12:09:03] <creiht> Just wanted to make sure that it wasn't going to cause problems
[09-Jun-2006 12:09:03] <ecn> I keep mine at 10
[09-Jun-2006 12:09:05] <ecn> seconds
[09-Jun-2006 12:09:13] <ecn> 8-)
[09-Jun-2006 12:09:17] <creiht> hehe
[09-Jun-2006 12:10:24] <creiht> What does Config Cycle Interval mean?
[09-Jun-2006 12:11:40] <ecn> that's how often the performance fetcher (zenperfsnmp) re-reads it's configuration information
[09-Jun-2006 12:11:50] <ecn> so, if you delete a device
[09-Jun-2006 12:12:00] <ecn> it learns about that in 20 minutes (by default)
[09-Jun-2006 12:12:05] <creiht> Ahhh
[09-Jun-2006 12:12:10] <creiht> ok
[09-Jun-2006 12:12:22] <ecn> also, if you add a device
[09-Jun-2006 12:12:53] <creiht> So if I change the Snmp cycle is that going to affect the RRD stuff?
[09-Jun-2006 12:19:36] <ecn> yes, in that the data will be collected less frequently
[09-Jun-2006 12:19:54] <ecn> if you decrease it too much RRD will not like the fact that the data is not arriving as fast as it was configured for
[09-Jun-2006 12:20:01] <ecn> and it will show gaps in the data collection
[09-Jun-2006 12:20:03] <ecn> so...
[09-Jun-2006 12:20:20] <ecn> if you were to collect data points every half hour, you might not see any data
[09-Jun-2006 12:20:32] <ecn> until you recreate your RRD files with those values
[09-Jun-2006 12:20:36] <ecn> (also on that page)
[09-Jun-2006 12:20:53] <ecn> but the default is 5 minute collects, so changing it to 5 minutes is just fine
[09-Jun-2006 13:23:12] <edahl> creiht: do you want to do a phone call to talk about zenoss?
[09-Jun-2006 15:20:23] <creiht> edahl: Yes... sorry been at a long lunch
[09-Jun-2006 15:20:31] <creiht> edahl: What is your email address?
[09-Jun-2006 15:21:01] <edahl> edahl@zenoss.com
[09-Jun-2006 15:24:30] <creiht> edahl: ok... I just sent you an email
[09-Jun-2006 15:24:39] <edahl> k
[09-Jun-2006 15:25:17] <edahl> is it better to talk Monday?
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[09-Jun-2006 15:37:25] <creiht> Today is good
[09-Jun-2006 15:37:30] <edahl> cool
[09-Jun-2006 15:37:32] <creiht> I'll just be at home instead of the office
[09-Jun-2006 15:37:37] <edahl> cool
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[09-Jun-2006 15:38:37] <creiht> edahl: Do you know if there is a way to get Apache info?
[09-Jun-2006 15:40:45] <edahl> like what?
[09-Jun-2006 15:42:04] <creiht> Like being able to monitor the number of connections, etc.
[09-Jun-2006 15:46:35] <creiht> edahl: Well I'm off... I look forward to talking with you this evening
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[09-Jun-2006 15:47:54] <edahl> cool
[09-Jun-2006 15:48:23] <edahl> will call in 30 mins
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[10-Jun-2006 16:22:23] <edahl> rrdtoolmodule_so_LDFLAGS = -module -shared
[10-Jun-2006 16:22:40] <oubiwann> rrdtoolmodule_so_LDFLAGS = -Wl,-framework -Wl,Python -module -dynamiclib
[10-Jun-2006 16:24:35] <oubiwann> PYTHON_INCLUDES = -I/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/python2.4
[10-Jun-2006 16:30:37] <edahl> ifeq ($(shell python -c 'import sys; print sys.platform'),darwin)
[10-Jun-2006 16:30:46] <edahl> GNUMakefile
[10-Jun-2006 16:30:58] <edahl> 187
[10-Jun-2006 16:32:11] <oubiwann> http://www2.adytum.us/adytum-irclogs/%23zenoss%40freenode.log
[10-Jun-2006 16:34:49] <edahl> make PYTHON=/bla
[10-Jun-2006 16:38:34] <edahl> zendm
[10-Jun-2006 16:38:35] <edahl> d
[10-Jun-2006 16:38:48] <edahl> dmd
[10-Jun-2006 16:39:00] <edahl> d=find("device*")
[10-Jun-2006 16:39:03] <edahl> d.os
[10-Jun-2006 16:39:06] <edahl> d.hw
[10-Jun-2006 16:39:14] <edahl> d.os.interfaces()
[10-Jun-2006 16:52:19] <edahl> hyperic
[10-Jun-2006 16:52:49] <edahl> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/06/07/1341228
[10-Jun-2006 16:52:49] <__adytum-bot__> Title: NewsForge | Hyperic Announces Open Source Model for Hyperic HQ (at www.newsforge.com)
[10-Jun-2006 16:58:33] <edahl> sdf
[10-Jun-2006 16:58:50] <edahl> /Users/edahl/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp
[10-Jun-2006 17:28:44] <edahl> http://gate.zentinel.com:8080/zport/dmd/Dashboard
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[12-Jun-2006 08:55:16] <creiht> Good morning
[12-Jun-2006 08:56:44] <creiht> How difficult would it be to set up an HA like config for zenoss?
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[12-Jun-2006 09:42:30] <edahl> we have a setup with veritas cluster server at a client
[12-Jun-2006 09:42:38] <edahl> haven't done this on linux
[12-Jun-2006 09:46:03] <edahl> totally doable though and in the plan for our high end packaged offer
[12-Jun-2006 09:49:03] <creiht> cool
[12-Jun-2006 09:49:07] <creiht> An another note
[12-Jun-2006 09:49:26] <creiht> I just noticed that the server that I set this up on keeps trying to ssh to itself
[12-Jun-2006 09:49:32] <creiht> every minute
[12-Jun-2006 09:49:37] <creiht> And I'm guessing that it is zenoss
[12-Jun-2006 09:49:52] <edahl> hum!
[12-Jun-2006 09:50:10] <edahl> is zenmodeler running that often?
[12-Jun-2006 09:50:35] <creiht> I thought I had turned zenmodler of
[12-Jun-2006 09:50:37] <creiht> err off
[12-Jun-2006 09:50:58] <edahl> that's the only guy doing ssh collection
[12-Jun-2006 09:50:59] <creiht> It is not running
[12-Jun-2006 09:51:20] <edahl> don't think its us then
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[12-Jun-2006 13:22:13] <Heebie> Hello. I'm not *REALLY* too lame to read BitchX.doc by the way.. just don't see any point in bothering to change my ircname! I'm a fellow Zenoss user at this point, and I like it!
[12-Jun-2006 13:26:59] <edahl__> cool!
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[12-Jun-2006 13:39:53] <Heebie> So.. are I see other people are having problems with collection events crashing..which ends up showing back as a Traceback in the information coming back into the web client. Any ideas on this?
[12-Jun-2006 13:42:17] <Heebie> I've got Zenoss working..but importing data seems a bit strange. (I think it might have something to do with having radically different snmpd.conf configurations on boxen.. and of course windows just being windows.
[12-Jun-2006 13:43:17] <edahl> is the trace you see during modeling (ie when you click "Collect Configuration" button on manage tab)?
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[12-Jun-2006 13:44:49] <Heebie> Yes, or when adding a new device.
[12-Jun-2006 13:45:21] <edahl> post the trace to the list so I can see it
[12-Jun-2006 13:45:29] <edahl> please
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[12-Jun-2006 13:47:39] <Heebie> Sent.
[12-Jun-2006 13:47:45] <edahl> k
[12-Jun-2006 13:48:22] <Heebie> You've got a nice fast listserver. It's went out & came back to me again within a matter of 2-3 seconds.
[12-Jun-2006 13:49:20] <edahl> your zeo server is down
[12-Jun-2006 13:49:24] <edahl> run zeoctl start
[12-Jun-2006 13:50:27] <Heebie> I wonder how that happened. :/
[12-Jun-2006 13:51:00] <edahl> good to run zenoss status
[12-Jun-2006 13:51:09] <edahl> to see what is actually running
[12-Jun-2006 13:51:51] <Heebie> It says everything is running now.
[12-Jun-2006 13:51:57] <edahl> coo
[12-Jun-2006 13:51:59] <edahl> l
[12-Jun-2006 13:52:21] <Heebie> and this import seems to be working right (I just went to MANAGE on the device and told it to re-read the configuration.)
[12-Jun-2006 13:52:36] <edahl> good
[12-Jun-2006 13:53:12] <Heebie> I think I'm going to be requisitioning a much faster machine for it, however! Scripted languages on database engines actually need memory and CPU time.
[12-Jun-2006 13:53:23] <Heebie> (BTW..that has NOTHING to do with your program!)
[12-Jun-2006 13:53:42] <edahl> how many devices are you managing?
[12-Jun-2006 13:54:01] <Heebie> Well.. right now it's a pilot thing.. but ideally we'll probably have close to 100·
[12-Jun-2006 13:54:27] <edahl> you should be able to do 100 with a fairly low power box
[12-Jun-2006 13:54:40] <Heebie> It's just on a 128M 500Mhz PIII right now..and that's not enough horsepower to run a decent e-mail client nowadays!
[12-Jun-2006 13:54:52] <edahl> no more would be better
[12-Jun-2006 13:54:57] <edahl>
[12-Jun-2006 13:55:14] <Heebie> It seems to have stalled on an error of "<hostname> is not found in active client list"
[12-Jun-2006 13:56:42] <Heebie> Hey.. one thing that would be helpful would be the ability to create a "link" from one device to another..such as a switch.. so you can see where things are plugged in even on unmanaged devices.
[12-Jun-2006 13:59:03] <Heebie> oh.. and a spot to add services that are on a box. Some services don't show up in the SNMP information (such as VNC on a Windows box, or SMTP on an MDaemon box)
[12-Jun-2006 14:11:33] <edahl> we are adding tcp port scan for services
[12-Jun-2006 14:11:55] <edahl> "link" thing is there for layer 3
[12-Jun-2006 14:12:02] <edahl> road map for layer 2
[12-Jun-2006 14:12:11] <edahl> ie what switch am I in
[12-Jun-2006 14:12:43] <Heebie> Are those being added? I don't recall seeing them anywyere.
[12-Jun-2006 14:13:17] <edahl> route tables show layer 3 map (not very easy to see though)
[12-Jun-2006 14:14:46] <Heebie> Yes, as long as you have IP addresses assigned to the ports. I'd like to see the layer 2 stuff as well, along with what port on the switch, and patch-panels would be nice too.
[12-Jun-2006 14:16:37] <Heebie> Here's one thing I'm slightly confused about.. will starting Zenoss via the script start all it's internal daemons? I had to start 2 of them manually during the install.
[12-Jun-2006 14:17:13] <ecn> "zenoss start" will start them all
[12-Jun-2006 14:18:41] <Heebie> Good to know. It's amazing how much information Zenoss puts at your fingertips
[12-Jun-2006 14:18:58] <Heebie> of course.. I want MORE MORE MORE!!!!
[12-Jun-2006 14:31:54] <edahl> always adding more!
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[13-Jun-2006 14:17:33] <creiht> So I get all excited to see a link called DataCollectorPlugin on the wiki
[13-Jun-2006 14:17:50] <creiht> But then I click on it and realize that I have to wait a bit longer
[13-Jun-2006 14:27:41] <oubiwann> creiht : heh
[13-Jun-2006 14:27:45] <oubiwann> that's my fault :-)
[13-Jun-2006 14:28:09] <oubiwann> I'm writing one right now, but there should be some more info up there in a week or two, once it's finished
[13-Jun-2006 14:30:44] <creiht> No biggie
[13-Jun-2006 14:30:52] <creiht> I'm looking forward to it
[13-Jun-2006 14:30:58] <oubiwann> but I'm glad you were excited :-)
[13-Jun-2006 14:31:57] <edahl> also have amodlin working on making the AdminGuide better
[13-Jun-2006 14:32:09] <oubiwann> yeah, just saw the email -- that's awesome
[13-Jun-2006 14:33:29] <edahl> That was to Andy Oram @ O'Rielly who is helping us as well
[13-Jun-2006 14:33:47] <oubiwann> verrrry sweet
[13-Jun-2006 14:34:00] <edahl> he is looking for new ways they can be involved in OSS docs.
[13-Jun-2006 14:40:39] <oubiwann> edahl : when I get some $ coming in, I'm going to invest in a 17" MacBook and put my powerbook out to stud
[13-Jun-2006 14:40:52] <edahl> sounds good!
[13-Jun-2006 14:41:04] <oubiwann> edahl : then I can dual boot ubuntu and have many more dev options that the ones I'm currently limited too :-(
[13-Jun-2006 14:41:22] <oubiwann> I can't tell you how bummed I am about the rrdtool (non-)builds
[13-Jun-2006 14:41:40] <edahl> no need to dual boot parallels is really fast
[13-Jun-2006 14:41:49] <oubiwann> really...
[13-Jun-2006 14:41:56] <oubiwann> that's freakin amazing
[13-Jun-2006 14:42:11] <edahl> yep
[13-Jun-2006 14:42:20] <oubiwann> does it still use the broadcom wireless cards?
[13-Jun-2006 14:44:16] <edahl> no clue
[13-Jun-2006 14:44:27] <edahl> I haven't tried linux on it yet
[13-Jun-2006 14:44:32] <edahl> just winblows
[13-Jun-2006 14:44:52] <oubiwann> I can't get wireless on ubuntu now because of the broadcom hardware (no drivers)
[13-Jun-2006 14:44:53] <oubiwann> heh
[13-Jun-2006 14:45:18] <oubiwann> oh, sweet:
[13-Jun-2006 14:45:28] <oubiwann> http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/macbook.xhtml
[13-Jun-2006 14:45:28] <__adytum-bot__> Title: Ubuntu Dapper on the Apple Macbook (at desrt.mcmaster.ca)
[13-Jun-2006 14:47:27] <edahl> cool
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[13-Jun-2006 15:58:44] <creiht> edahl: A small problem I ran into... I tried changing the data collection from 1 minute to 5 minutes and it stopped collecting data (no data in graphs) until I changed it back to 1 minute
[13-Jun-2006 16:02:15] <edahl> it was collecting but you had nan in graph?
[13-Jun-2006 16:07:34] <edahl> I think you need to make new files when you change polling interval
[13-Jun-2006 16:07:39] <edahl> this is rrd not us
[13-Jun-2006 16:08:02] <edahl> you might also change the default create command
[13-Jun-2006 16:13:19] <edahl> :q
[13-Jun-2006 16:27:01] <creiht> ahhh
[13-Jun-2006 16:27:10] <creiht> makes sense
[13-Jun-2006 16:30:57] <creiht> Ok... so say I want to monitor disk I/O.... where do I find what mib that is?
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[13-Jun-2006 16:46:24] <edahl> what type box?
[13-Jun-2006 16:46:30] <creiht_> Redhat ES3
[13-Jun-2006 16:46:52] <edahl> netsnmp doesn't do too well with disk i/o (last I looked)
[13-Jun-2006 16:46:59] <creiht_> doh
[13-Jun-2006 16:47:11] <creiht_> okay... so for any other type of thing that I would like to monitor
[13-Jun-2006 16:47:30] <creiht_> Where can I look to find out what mib to use?
[13-Jun-2006 16:47:48] <edahl> well you need the mib itself
[13-Jun-2006 16:47:52] <edahl> then snmptranslate
[13-Jun-2006 16:47:59] <edahl> to map names to oids
[13-Jun-2006 16:48:12] <edahl> want to talk on phone?
[13-Jun-2006 16:49:17] <creiht_> Unfortunately I can't at the moment
[13-Jun-2006 16:49:25] <creiht_> I only get a moment here and there
[13-Jun-2006 16:49:32] <creiht_> Asking questions when I get a chance
[13-Jun-2006 16:49:33] <creiht_>
[13-Jun-2006 16:49:36] <edahl> no worries its a big topic
[13-Jun-2006 16:49:39] <creiht_> ahhh
[13-Jun-2006 16:50:32] <edahl> here is a good place to look for mibs
[13-Jun-2006 16:50:44] <edahl> http://www.mibdepot.com/index.shtml
[13-Jun-2006 16:50:44] <__adytum-bot__> Title: mibDepot: Home Page (at www.mibdepot.com)
[13-Jun-2006 16:50:59] <creiht_> ahh
[13-Jun-2006 16:51:04] <creiht_> cool that is a good start for me
[13-Jun-2006 16:51:17] <edahl> that gets you the oid in one place
[13-Jun-2006 16:51:24] <edahl> with name
[13-Jun-2006 16:52:03] <edahl> sometimes you need to write a little collection plugin as well as rrdtemplate
[13-Jun-2006 16:52:28] <edahl> that is something we would need to talk about a bit. its not hard just no docs yet!
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[13-Jun-2006 21:47:02] <edahl> dhopp: is everything working?
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[14-Jun-2006 18:21:22] <creiht> Anyone know if there is a way that I can create a single alerting rule that has more than one email address attached to it?
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[01-Jun-2006 12:30:13] <creiht> All by myself....
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[01-Jun-2006 12:55:46] <creiht> ecn!
[01-Jun-2006 12:55:53] <ecn> hey!
[01-Jun-2006 12:55:56] <creiht> I was getting lonely in here
[01-Jun-2006 12:56:05] <creiht> Quick question
[01-Jun-2006 12:56:07] <ecn> sure
[01-Jun-2006 12:56:28] <creiht> Does the performance monitoring support authentification?
[01-Jun-2006 12:57:10] <ecn> at what level?
[01-Jun-2006 12:57:19] <ecn> at the snmp packet level? no
[01-Jun-2006 12:57:27] <creiht> hmmm
[01-Jun-2006 12:57:34] <ecn> besides sending the right community string
[01-Jun-2006 12:57:40] <ecn> which means, no, not really
[01-Jun-2006 12:57:44] <creiht> I'm not completely sure to tell you the truth
[01-Jun-2006 12:57:57] <creiht> I'm still a bit new to performance monitoring
[01-Jun-2006 12:58:01] <ecn> to look at graphs via Zope? Yes, that can probably be done.
[01-Jun-2006 12:58:13] <creiht> I'm trying to add a device
[01-Jun-2006 12:58:18] <ecn> k
[01-Jun-2006 12:58:31] <creiht> net-snmp is installed and running on the device
[01-Jun-2006 12:58:53] <creiht> But when it tries to detect, it errors out
[01-Jun-2006 12:58:57] <ecn> ah
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:00] <ecn> ok...
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:02] <creiht> I look at the config
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:09] <ecn> you have snmpwalk ?
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:11] <creiht> for snmp on the device
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:15] <creiht> I think so
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:19] <ecn> try to snmpwalk the device:
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:27] <creiht> yes I do
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:46] <ecn> snmpwalk -v1 -c public device.ip.addr system
[01-Jun-2006 12:59:58] <ecn> does that work?
[01-Jun-2006 13:00:59] <creiht> I get a Timeout
[01-Jun-2006 13:01:14] <ecn> then, no, it's not working 8-)
[01-Jun-2006 13:01:21] <creiht> hehe
[01-Jun-2006 13:01:26] <creiht> looking closer...
[01-Jun-2006 13:01:37] <ecn> so, is this a server box of some unix derivative?
[01-Jun-2006 13:01:39] <ecn> if so
[01-Jun-2006 13:01:52] <ecn> netstat -na | grep 161
[01-Jun-2006 13:02:11] <ecn> that will tell you if someone is using your snmp port (which is kinda necessary)
[01-Jun-2006 13:02:16] <ecn> it's a udp port
[01-Jun-2006 13:02:31] <ecn> I get this back:
[01-Jun-2006 13:02:34] <ecn> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:161 0.0.0.0:*
[01-Jun-2006 13:02:47] <ecn> which means it's listening on all interfaces on port 161
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:09] <ecn> if it's windows ... dunno
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:10] <creiht> ok
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:14] <creiht> It wasn't running
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:18] <creiht> So I started it
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:21] <ecn> ah
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:22] <creiht> And I still get a timeout
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:28] <creiht> And it is a Linux box
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:31] <creiht> Redhat ES3
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:36] <ecn> ok, is it still listening?
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:49] <creiht> netstat shows it is listening
[01-Jun-2006 13:03:53] <ecn> ok
[01-Jun-2006 13:04:02] <creiht> it might be firewalled
[01-Jun-2006 13:04:04] <ecn> ah
[01-Jun-2006 13:04:06] <creiht> justsec
[01-Jun-2006 13:07:15] <creiht> not a firewall problem
[01-Jun-2006 13:07:28] <ecn> do you have snmpwalk on the RH3 machine?
[01-Jun-2006 13:07:43] <ecn> snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost system
[01-Jun-2006 13:08:58] <creiht> IT doesn't have snmpwalk
[01-Jun-2006 13:09:13] <ecn> bummer
[01-Jun-2006 13:10:30] <ecn> take a look in /var/log for messages about not liking your packets, maybe?
[01-Jun-2006 13:10:44] <ecn> also check the config for "public" as the community string
[01-Jun-2006 13:11:59] <creiht> hmmm
[01-Jun-2006 13:12:14] <creiht> It looks like the config is modified quite a bit
[01-Jun-2006 13:12:18] <creiht> And I don't know enough about it
[01-Jun-2006 13:12:26] <creiht> What sets the community string?
[01-Jun-2006 13:12:45] <ecn> on my box (FC5) it's in /etc/snmp/snmp.conf
[01-Jun-2006 13:13:02] <ecn> first no-comment line
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:10] <creiht> Does it start with com2sec?
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:31] <ecn> yep
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:37] <creiht> ok
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:39] <creiht> well
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:41] <ecn> com2sec notConfigUser default public
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:41] <creiht> that is not public
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:44] <ecn> that's mine
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:54] <ecn> ok, just use that word instead of public in the snmpwalk
[01-Jun-2006 13:14:58] <ecn> and when you add the device
[01-Jun-2006 13:15:12] <creiht> hmmm
[01-Jun-2006 13:15:22] <creiht> It looks like it sets sepcific sources
[01-Jun-2006 13:15:31] <creiht> so it looks something like
[01-Jun-2006 13:15:45] <creiht> com2sec systems 1.1.1.1 communityname
[01-Jun-2006 13:16:35] <ecn> is 1.1.1.1 an ip address ?
[01-Jun-2006 13:16:38] <creiht> yes
[01-Jun-2006 13:16:41] <creiht> just generic
[01-Jun-2006 13:16:49] <creiht> to protect the innocent
[01-Jun-2006 13:16:54] <ecn> I'm pretty sure that's the only box that can talk to it
[01-Jun-2006 13:17:07] <creiht> Yeah I was starting to guess that
[01-Jun-2006 13:17:15] <ecn> so just change your ip 8-)
[01-Jun-2006 13:19:45] <creiht> ok I added my ip and it works
[01-Jun-2006 13:19:48] <creiht> Thanks for the help
[01-Jun-2006 13:19:54] <ecn> sure thing
[01-Jun-2006 13:23:43] <creiht> How long do I have to wait once it is discovered before performance graphs will show up?
[01-Jun-2006 13:24:05] <ecn> run:
[01-Jun-2006 13:24:09] <ecn> zenperfsnmp restart
[01-Jun-2006 13:24:25] <ecn> (was it running?)
[01-Jun-2006 13:24:46] <ecn> if you want to watch it run, do:
[01-Jun-2006 13:24:48] <ecn> zenperfsnmp stop
[01-Jun-2006 13:24:57] <ecn> zenperfsnmp run -v 10 --cycle
[01-Jun-2006 13:25:28] <ecn> run (don't be a daemon) -v 10 (show me anything debug level, or higher) --cycle (forever)
[01-Jun-2006 13:25:33] <creiht> wohoo
[01-Jun-2006 13:25:51] <ecn> values are all nan, right?
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:08] <creiht> nan?
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:11] <creiht> Well the graphs show up
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:14] <creiht> no values yet
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:15] <ecn> Not a Number
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:23] <ecn> labels at the bottom
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:28] <ecn> give it a few minutes
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:31] <creiht> yes
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:35] <creiht> Yeah no problem
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:38] <creiht> About to go to lunch
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:43] <creiht> Thanks again for the help
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:48] <ecn> rrdtool needs a few samples to display data
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:54] <creiht> yeah
[01-Jun-2006 13:26:57] <ecn> sure, nice to know it all works somewhere I'm not
[01-Jun-2006 13:28:20] <creiht> hehe
[01-Jun-2006 13:48:03] <creiht> ok so next question
[01-Jun-2006 13:48:21] <creiht> If I want to see the network interface stats for that device in the performance graphs... how do I do that?
[01-Jun-2006 13:50:13] <ecn> OS tab
[01-Jun-2006 13:50:21] <ecn> Interfaces
[01-Jun-2006 13:57:20] <ecn> does it work?
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[01-Jun-2006 15:18:06] <creiht> oh whoa... That rocks
[01-Jun-2006 15:18:08] <creiht>
[01-Jun-2006 15:18:14] <creiht> I missed that tab
[01-Jun-2006 15:18:48] <ecn> cool
[01-Jun-2006 15:19:49] <creiht> This is seriously cool
[01-Jun-2006 15:20:00] <ecn> 8-0
[01-Jun-2006 15:20:01] <ecn> 8-)
[01-Jun-2006 15:20:04] <ecn> tell your friends
[01-Jun-2006 15:20:10] <creiht> hehe
[01-Jun-2006 15:51:59] <creiht> ecn: How familiar are you with the Alerting Rules stuff?
[01-Jun-2006 15:52:08] <ecn> nope
[01-Jun-2006 15:52:16] <creiht> doh
[01-Jun-2006 15:52:19] <creiht>
[01-Jun-2006 15:52:28] <ecn> send a question to the mailing list
[01-Jun-2006 15:53:18] <creiht> It's kind of a pain to have to actually define a SQL Where clause when creating the alert
[01-Jun-2006 15:54:51] <creiht> I always hate waiting for responses on mailing lists
[01-Jun-2006 15:54:55] <ecn> Do you have a better idea?
[01-Jun-2006 15:56:06] <creiht> Well for starters
[01-Jun-2006 15:56:36] <creiht> If you want to continue to use a Where clause, then let the user know which fields are available and what the values mean for each field
[01-Jun-2006 15:56:53] <creiht> For example by default it pre-populatest with:
[01-Jun-2006 15:56:59] <creiht> severity >= 4 and eventState = 0 and prodState = 1000
[01-Jun-2006 15:57:17] <creiht> I have a good idea what severity means
[01-Jun-2006 15:57:39] <ecn> ok
[01-Jun-2006 15:57:39] <creiht> But what does 4 mean, what are the min/max values
[01-Jun-2006 15:57:47] <ecn> ha. right
[01-Jun-2006 15:58:00] <creiht> Those types of things are not easy for someone that is a new user
[01-Jun-2006 15:58:13] <ecn> right
[01-Jun-2006 15:58:16] <creiht> And then there is prodState = 1000
[01-Jun-2006 15:58:25] <creiht> I'm not even close to sure what that means
[01-Jun-2006 15:58:34] <ecn> wll, I have an idea
[01-Jun-2006 15:58:35] <creiht> anyway... I think you get the idea
[01-Jun-2006 15:58:39] <ecn> right
[01-Jun-2006 16:00:17] <creiht> The next step would be a nice ui that expands on it a bit
[01-Jun-2006 16:00:24] <creiht> For example
[01-Jun-2006 16:00:52] <creiht> You might add Severity to the list of rules, and then select a severity from a drop down list
[01-Jun-2006 16:01:00] <creiht> And instead of the list being 1,2,3...
[01-Jun-2006 16:01:02] <creiht> It would be
[01-Jun-2006 16:01:17] <creiht> Low, Medium, High... or whatever the values really mean
[01-Jun-2006 16:01:54] <ecn> ok
[01-Jun-2006 16:02:03] <creiht> Just some suggestions from a new user looking at it
[01-Jun-2006 17:14:28] <oubiwann> creiht : good points -- thanks :-)
[01-Jun-2006 17:15:04] <creiht> All the other stuff is really cool so far
[01-Jun-2006 17:15:12] <oubiwann> sweet!
[01-Jun-2006 17:15:17] <creiht> Hopefully it doesn't sound like I am complaining too much
[01-Jun-2006 17:15:24] <oubiwann> heh, not at all
[01-Jun-2006 17:15:43] <ecn> use it on 500 devices and then tell us what you find
[01-Jun-2006 17:15:45] <oubiwann> in fact, if you complained but stuck around anyway, that would be a great sign :-)
[01-Jun-2006 17:16:36] <creiht> Well I have to figure out how to use it before I can just start monitoring 500 devices
[01-Jun-2006 17:17:03] <ecn> details, details
[01-Jun-2006 17:17:29] <ecn> what bits do you normally monitor?
[01-Jun-2006 17:19:40] <creiht> Well I have several things going on
[01-Jun-2006 17:19:59] <creiht> For what I am interested in
[01-Jun-2006 17:20:23] <creiht> I have an immediate need to monitor our production servers for our webapps, DB, etc.
[01-Jun-2006 17:20:37] <creiht> So my first goal is to make sure it is suitable for that
[01-Jun-2006 17:21:08] <creiht> It's probably around 20-30 servers
[01-Jun-2006 17:21:13] <creiht> But a good initial test
[01-Jun-2006 17:21:39] <ecn> Yep.
[01-Jun-2006 17:21:47] <creiht> It will be a combination of performance monitoring and service monitoring
[01-Jun-2006 17:21:58] <creiht> And alerting us when stuff has problems through email
[01-Jun-2006 17:23:05] <creiht> If that happens then I have good reason to keep playing with zenoss
[01-Jun-2006 17:23:45] <creiht> We are also persuing replacing a current offering that is outsourced for doing performance monitoring
[01-Jun-2006 17:23:56] <creiht> Initially it would only be for a couple hundred of customers
[01-Jun-2006 17:24:28] <creiht> But if goes well would be opened up to all of our customers
[01-Jun-2006 17:24:44] <ecn> great!
[01-Jun-2006 17:25:05] <creiht> There are a couple of things competing for that though
[01-Jun-2006 17:25:15] <ecn> of course
[01-Jun-2006 17:25:44] <creiht> We also do service level monitoring for all of our customers
[01-Jun-2006 17:26:12] <creiht> And whatever solution is used for the performance level monitoring will take over the service level monitoring as well
[01-Jun-2006 17:26:53] <creiht> Those are the things that are within the scope of what I am looking at
[01-Jun-2006 17:28:01] <ecn> I'm fairly new to the monitoring domain... what do you mean by "service level monitoring"?
[01-Jun-2006 17:28:18] <creiht> monitoring things like http, ssh, etc.
[01-Jun-2006 17:28:52] <oubiwann> yeah, Erik wants to work on that
[01-Jun-2006 17:29:29] <oubiwann> support for that is not as strong as it should be in zenoss
[01-Jun-2006 17:29:35] <creiht> Yeah I noticed that
[01-Jun-2006 17:29:49] <oubiwann> that's what pymon's strenght is
[01-Jun-2006 17:29:50] <creiht> I'm still playing with it though
[01-Jun-2006 17:30:00] <oubiwann> well, pymon's real strength is it's architecture :-)
[01-Jun-2006 17:30:17] <creiht> Are there plans to integrate pymon into zenoss?
[01-Jun-2006 17:30:36] <ecn> the plan is to have zenoss take over the world
[01-Jun-2006 17:30:38] <ecn> 8-)
[01-Jun-2006 17:30:40] <creiht> I really liked some of the things you guys were doing with pymn
[01-Jun-2006 17:30:42] * creiht laughs
[01-Jun-2006 17:30:51] <oubiwann> we've talked briefly about it
[01-Jun-2006 17:31:08] <creiht> So another off the wall question
[01-Jun-2006 17:31:15] <creiht> What about integration with other systems
[01-Jun-2006 17:31:28] <creiht> Are there hooks to be able to send messages to other systems for alerts
[01-Jun-2006 17:31:56] <creiht> Or for handling monitoring tasks through other systems
[01-Jun-2006 17:36:06] <ecn> well, define other systems
[01-Jun-2006 17:37:44] <ecn> I think that there is (or will be) a plug-in system for alert notifiation
[01-Jun-2006 17:37:47] <ecn> notification
[01-Jun-2006 17:46:35] <ecn> time to go home... talk later
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[02-Jun-2006 12:02:31] <creiht> ecn!
[02-Jun-2006 12:02:45] <ecn> hey!
[02-Jun-2006 12:02:46] <creiht> I was worried that you came in saw that I was here, and then ran away
[02-Jun-2006 12:03:06] <ecn> nope... was trying to get a plugin for my IRC client to work
[02-Jun-2006 12:03:20] <ecn> and this irc client doesn't automagically put me back into #zenoos
[02-Jun-2006 12:03:48] <creiht> ahh
[02-Jun-2006 12:04:13] <creiht> So I'm still having fun playing with Zenoss
[02-Jun-2006 12:04:27] <ecn> good
[02-Jun-2006 12:04:40] <ecn> I'm forwarding your suggestions yesterday to Erik
[02-Jun-2006 12:04:51] <creiht> cool
[02-Jun-2006 12:04:55] <creiht> Well I have some more
[02-Jun-2006 12:05:07] <creiht> And some more questions
[02-Jun-2006 12:05:15] <ecn> ok
[02-Jun-2006 12:05:18] <creiht> I started playing with Systems, Groups, and Locations
[02-Jun-2006 12:06:30] <creiht> Do you know what the main differences are between them?
[02-Jun-2006 12:06:43] <creiht> And what their purpose is for
[02-Jun-2006 12:07:05] <creiht> I notice that Systems has a performance tab, but nothing shows up for it for the devices I have inside it
[02-Jun-2006 12:07:50] <ecn> huh
[02-Jun-2006 12:08:29] <ecn> I don't know what they are for
[02-Jun-2006 12:08:34] <creiht> hehe
[02-Jun-2006 12:09:03] <creiht> I have a general idea that they could be usefull for grouping things together
[02-Jun-2006 12:09:27] <creiht> For example I could imagine having groups for our Production servers and for our Support servers, etc.
[02-Jun-2006 12:09:35] <creiht> Making it easier to find the data that I am looking for
[02-Jun-2006 12:10:43] <creiht> Ahhh
[02-Jun-2006 12:11:04] <creiht> Well any of the Systems that you create show up on the dashbard
[02-Jun-2006 12:11:10] <creiht> err dashboard
[02-Jun-2006 12:11:26] <ecn> look at that
[02-Jun-2006 12:11:31] <ecn> 8-)
[02-Jun-2006 12:11:40] <creiht> ok
[02-Jun-2006 12:12:47] <creiht> Now for some oddities with the performance monitoring
[02-Jun-2006 12:13:13] <creiht> Every system that I add I get events saying that they can not read ssCpuRawWait values
[02-Jun-2006 12:18:29] <ecn> looking into it now
[02-Jun-2006 12:18:43] <creiht> cool
[02-Jun-2006 12:20:00] <creiht> There was another oddity where I stopped apache on a server that was being monitored. I received events that https went down, but didn't get events to show that http was down
[02-Jun-2006 12:21:03] <ecn> on what kinda box?
[02-Jun-2006 12:21:21] <creiht> Dell Redhat ES3
[02-Jun-2006 12:21:50] <ecn> try this:
[02-Jun-2006 12:22:07] <ecn> snmpget -v1 -c public dell.ip.addr UCD-SNMP-MIB::ssCpuRawWait.0
[02-Jun-2006 12:24:11] <creiht> I get an error that says
[02-Jun-2006 12:24:16] <creiht> Error in packet
[02-Jun-2006 12:24:32] <creiht> Reason: (noSuchName) There is no such variable name in this MIB
[02-Jun-2006 12:24:43] <ecn> well, that's the problem,then 8-)
[02-Jun-2006 12:24:51] <ecn> your machine isn't exposing that element
[02-Jun-2006 12:24:58] <creiht> ahhh
[02-Jun-2006 12:25:08] <creiht> So I need to expose that then in the snmpd.conf?
[02-Jun-2006 12:25:11] <ecn> (or whatever the funky language is for that in the SNMP world)
[02-Jun-2006 12:25:20] <ecn> it may not even be in your mib... I don't know
[02-Jun-2006 12:25:21] <creiht> heh
[02-Jun-2006 12:25:37] <creiht> I'm still new to the snmp stuff so I'm somewhat figuring it out as I go
[02-Jun-2006 12:25:58] <creiht> I thought it was exposing everything as I am using the default config that is supposed to expose everything
[02-Jun-2006 12:26:03] <ecn> you can get rid of the message by removing ssCpuRawWait from the perfconf template
[02-Jun-2006 12:26:13] <creiht> ok
[02-Jun-2006 12:26:18] <ecn> it might be a newish element in the mib
[02-Jun-2006 12:27:17] <ecn> mine is in /usr/share/snmp/mibs/UCD-SNMP-MIB.txt
[02-Jun-2006 12:27:38] <creiht> looking...
[02-Jun-2006 12:28:19] <ecn> last revision description is dated: REVISION "200404070000Z"
[02-Jun-2006 12:28:57] <creiht> Well if I look at that file
[02-Jun-2006 12:29:07] <creiht> there is a ssCpuRawWait def
[02-Jun-2006 12:30:05] <creiht> Hmm
[02-Jun-2006 12:30:24] <creiht> It must not be exposed
[02-Jun-2006 12:30:26] <creiht> no biggie
[02-Jun-2006 12:30:40] <creiht> I just thought it was odd that it has happened on all the servers I have added so far
[02-Jun-2006 12:30:43] <ecn> you can remove it from the template
[02-Jun-2006 12:30:47] <creiht> Yeah
[02-Jun-2006 12:30:50] <creiht> I'll do that
[02-Jun-2006 12:34:14] <creiht> ok cool
[02-Jun-2006 12:34:23] <creiht> Now the next observation/question
[02-Jun-2006 12:35:29] <creiht> For a specific device
[02-Jun-2006 12:35:50] <creiht> Is there a way that I can disable one of the things that is being monitored
[02-Jun-2006 12:35:52] <creiht> for example
[02-Jun-2006 12:36:18] <creiht> One of my boxes has 2 filesystems mounted
[02-Jun-2006 12:36:36] <creiht> One of them (/dev) is a virtual file system that is 100% full
[02-Jun-2006 12:37:37] <ecn> zen ticket #125
[02-Jun-2006 12:38:02] <creiht> off to lunch
[02-Jun-2006 12:38:02] <creiht> bbl
[02-Jun-2006 12:40:13] <creiht> ahh cool
[02-Jun-2006 12:40:42] <creiht> really off to lunch this time
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[02-Jun-2006 16:00:22] <creiht> ecn: So for my next question....
[02-Jun-2006 16:00:31] <ecn> yes?
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:01] <creiht> Is there a way to set the parameters of how a service is polled
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:03] <creiht> for example
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:08] <creiht> The delay between polls
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:18] <ecn> yes, but it's for everything
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:25] <creiht> Timeout that it waits before deciding a service is down
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:25] <creiht> etc
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:26] <creiht> ahh
[02-Jun-2006 16:01:34] <creiht> hmmm
[02-Jun-2006 16:03:00] <creiht> Something to consider, would be to allow that to be adjustable per device
[02-Jun-2006 16:03:03] <creiht> Use case:
[02-Jun-2006 16:03:28] <creiht> We monitor a lot of servers that can have a fairly high load at times
[02-Jun-2006 16:04:09] <creiht> The poller will time out before it gets a response
[02-Jun-2006 16:04:27] <creiht> And thus we get a bunch of "false positive" like events
[02-Jun-2006 16:04:47] <ecn> there might be some configs for that
[02-Jun-2006 16:05:49] <creiht> hmmm
[02-Jun-2006 16:06:01] <ecn> I've done the performance monitoring stuff
[02-Jun-2006 16:07:42] <creiht> For performance monitoring I figure I could make a local copy of the monitoring template for that specific device
[02-Jun-2006 16:08:00] <creiht> But there doesn't seem to be anything similar for service monitoring (http, etc.)
[02-Jun-2006 16:16:42] <ecn> right, but there isn't a poll rate that's different for different devices
[02-Jun-2006 16:16:55] <creiht> ahhh
[02-Jun-2006 16:16:56] <creiht> true
[02-Jun-2006 16:17:07] <ecn> oh, yes there is
[02-Jun-2006 16:17:18] <ecn> well not poll rate
[02-Jun-2006 16:17:23] <ecn> but other config items
[02-Jun-2006 16:17:27] <ecn> like snmp timeout
[02-Jun-2006 16:17:33] <ecn> and retries
[02-Jun-2006 16:17:48] <creiht> Those are the more important ones
[02-Jun-2006 16:18:05] <creiht> Polling interval isn't as important on a device to device basis
[02-Jun-2006 16:18:47] <creiht> What is the default polling interval btw?
[02-Jun-2006 16:19:05] <ecn> 60 seconds, I think
[02-Jun-2006 16:19:17] <ecn> and the pollers reload their config every 20 mins
[02-Jun-2006 16:19:26] <ecn> I change them to 10 and 1 respectively
[02-Jun-2006 16:19:32] <ecn> for testing 8-)
[02-Jun-2006 16:23:45] <creiht> One more oddity and that should finish my oddities for today
[02-Jun-2006 16:24:10] <creiht> I have zenoss running on my laptop right now as I am testing
[02-Jun-2006 16:24:25] <ecn> there is a "count" , after which an event's priority is raised... that might work for you, too
[02-Jun-2006 16:24:52] <ecn> like, if we ping it, and it fails once, that's a warning... if we ping it 5 more times, that's an error
[02-Jun-2006 16:25:17] <creiht> ecn: Hmmm that would probably suffice... Where do you set that?
[02-Jun-2006 16:25:27] <ecn> I'll have to find it
[02-Jun-2006 16:25:36] <ecn> I coded it... but I don't remember where it is in the gui
[02-Jun-2006 16:25:37] <creiht> Ahh
[02-Jun-2006 16:25:42] <creiht> Dn't worry about it right now
[02-Jun-2006 16:25:43] <creiht> hehe
[02-Jun-2006 16:25:51] <creiht> It's good to know that it is there though
[02-Jun-2006 16:26:31] <creiht> So on my laptop... when I brought it in this morning , I forgot to start all the zenoss services
[02-Jun-2006 16:26:53] <creiht> I had stoped http on one of the devices to test something, and it wasn't showing up
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:04] <creiht> And then I realized that I hadn't started zenoss
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:11] <creiht> well I had started zope
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:16] <creiht> but not all the other services
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:21] <ecn> ah
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:31] <ecn> on the dashboard...
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:34] <creiht> Then I started all the other services
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:41] <ecn> there's "Infrastructure Issues"
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:53] <ecn> that should tell you things like that
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:56] <creiht> Cool
[02-Jun-2006 16:27:57] <ecn> that your daemons are down
[02-Jun-2006 16:28:06] <ecn> they report heartbeats
[02-Jun-2006 16:28:16] <ecn> missing heartbeats make them show up
[02-Jun-2006 16:28:34] <creiht> I hadn't looked at the dashboard... I'll play with that later... but that isn't my main issue
[02-Jun-2006 16:28:45] <creiht> So when I started the services
[02-Jun-2006 16:29:09] <creiht> And reloaded the page for my device, http and https monitoring went away
[02-Jun-2006 16:29:19] <creiht> Like it did a rescan of the services
[02-Jun-2006 16:29:39] <ecn> did zendisc run ?
[02-Jun-2006 16:29:52] <creiht> I was expecting for it to come up and tell me that http and https were done
[02-Jun-2006 16:29:53] <creiht> not sure
[02-Jun-2006 16:29:56] <creiht> I did
[02-Jun-2006 16:30:01] <creiht> ./bin/zenoss start
[02-Jun-2006 16:30:10] <creiht> I don't think that runs zendisc
[02-Jun-2006 16:30:30] <ecn> runs zenmodeler, though
[02-Jun-2006 16:30:36] <ecn> I don't know what that does at startup
[02-Jun-2006 16:30:37] <creiht> probably
[02-Jun-2006 16:30:43] <creiht> hmmm
[02-Jun-2006 16:31:12] <creiht> So I'm not sure if that is the desired behavior or not, but it seems like it could be a bit akward
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[02-Jun-2006 16:31:58] <ecn> ok
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:13] <ecn> I'll turn all your comments into mail to Erik
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:17] <ecn> shall I copy you?
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:21] <creiht> Sure
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:25] <creiht> That would be great
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:28] <ecn> mail?
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:28] <creiht> cthier at gmail.com
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:31] <ecn> gotcha
[02-Jun-2006 16:32:35] <creiht> Thanks
[02-Jun-2006 16:33:08] <creiht> I'm really starting to like zenoss
[02-Jun-2006 16:33:27] <ecn> great!
[02-Jun-2006 16:34:07] <creiht> I just played with reports and they are really cool
[02-Jun-2006 16:34:38] <creiht> Do you know what it requires to create custom reports?
[02-Jun-2006 16:34:44] <ecn> I have no idea
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:04] <ecn> Erik just answered someone's question like "coming soon" or something
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:10] <creiht> hehe
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:12] <creiht> That's cool
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:14] <creiht> The problem
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:22] <ecn> they were hoping to connect to the model database over ODBC
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:28] <creiht> is that my curiosity is peaked
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:29] <ecn> but it's not an SQL database
[02-Jun-2006 16:35:53] <creiht> yeah
[02-Jun-2006 16:37:22] <creiht> That is one of the drawbacks of of ZODB is doing custom querying
[02-Jun-2006 16:38:12] <ecn> yep
[02-Jun-2006 16:38:24] <ecn> but all the inheritance stuff is pretty nice
[02-Jun-2006 16:38:40] <creiht> That and keeping track of changes
[02-Jun-2006 16:38:49] <creiht> I'm not against it at all
[02-Jun-2006 16:38:56] <creiht> I think it is a very good use of it
[02-Jun-2006 16:42:23] <ecn> time to get the kids... I'll be around later
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[02-Jun-2006 17:37:19] <creiht> ecn: How many kids do you have?'
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:26] <ecn> 2
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:30] <creiht> Cool
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:32] <ecn> 13 & 11
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:34] <creiht> I have 2 as well
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:40] <creiht> 2.5 and .4
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:41] <creiht>
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:50] <ecn> hard ages
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:54] <creiht> hehe
[02-Jun-2006 17:37:55] <creiht> yeah
[02-Jun-2006 17:38:00] <creiht> They are a lot of fun though
[02-Jun-2006 17:38:08] <creiht> I wouldn't trade it for anything
[02-Jun-2006 17:38:31] <creiht> hmmm
[02-Jun-2006 17:38:42] <creiht> Do you know what the SiteScopeParser is?
[02-Jun-2006 17:38:49] <ecn> googling
[02-Jun-2006 17:38:54] <creiht> hehe
[02-Jun-2006 17:38:58] <creiht> Well it's in the code
[02-Jun-2006 17:39:06] <creiht> I know what Site Scope is
[02-Jun-2006 17:39:09] <ecn> ha... it's in Zenoss 8-)
[02-Jun-2006 17:39:14] <creiht> yeah
[02-Jun-2006 17:39:26] <creiht> I've been looking through the code a bit and found it
[02-Jun-2006 17:39:40] <creiht> Haven't looked at it closely yet
[02-Jun-2006 17:39:59] <ecn> there are a bunch of things in zenoss that need to be cleaned out
[02-Jun-2006 17:40:06] <creiht> hehe
[02-Jun-2006 17:40:10] <ecn> things that were done for specific customers which no longer apply
[02-Jun-2006 17:40:15] <ecn> like anything with Sybase on it
[02-Jun-2006 17:40:28] <creiht> Well if it can catch Site Scope events... that would be really cool
[02-Jun-2006 17:40:36] <creiht> One of our divisions uses Site Scope
[02-Jun-2006 17:40:43] <creiht> hehe
[02-Jun-2006 17:41:13] <ecn> I think the idea is to have status plug-ins to do that stuff
[02-Jun-2006 17:41:20] <ecn> hopefully duncan will do that work
[02-Jun-2006 17:42:11] <creiht> cool
[02-Jun-2006 18:56:20] <creiht> Have a good weekend
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[03-Jun-2006 09:34:10] <openbysource> eric newton here ?
[03-Jun-2006 09:34:43] <ecn> yes
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[03-Jun-2006 09:36:21] <openbysource> I want to do some volunteer stuff for zenoss now I am completely unaware of the things I have studied the architecture though and some more things regarding the product I have personally installed it on my RHEL 4 system and it works great and now I want to help I have also subscribed to the mailing list and I try and understand user problems there , what you suggest me where to start should I learn python ?
[03-Jun-2006 09:37:06] <ecn> what's your background?
[03-Jun-2006 09:37:28] <ecn> ie... are you a programmer, do you know other languages, etc.
[03-Jun-2006 09:37:28] <openbysource> I am a computer science student doing linux for more than 3 years particularly hacking gnome
[03-Jun-2006 09:37:44] <openbysource> yeah c, cpp and of course gtk
[03-Jun-2006 09:38:07] <ecn> you can probably read the python reference manual and know more python than me, then. 8-)
[03-Jun-2006 09:38:48] <openbysource> okay
[03-Jun-2006 09:39:06] <ecn> if you were to learn about zope, the zeo database and twisted, they are all a lot more complex than python itself
[03-Jun-2006 09:39:21] <ecn> what parts are you interested in helping with?
[03-Jun-2006 09:39:35] <openbysource> troubleshooting I guess
[03-Jun-2006 09:40:12] <openbysource> initially though once I get a sound knowledge of the architecture then I can code too
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[03-Jun-2006 13:38:40] <openbysource> okay
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[03-Jun-2006 20:37:39] <openbysource> hello world
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[04-Jun-2006 07:31:19] <openbysource> evening world
[04-Jun-2006 09:10:51] <openbysource> hello anybody there
[04-Jun-2006 09:11:24] <openbysource> I installed zenoss in my fresh fc5 machine and everything seems to work fine but zensnmp daemon seems to die after sometime what's the problem I am not getting
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[04-Jun-2006 09:17:55] <openbysource> I installed zenoss in my fresh fc5 machine and everything seems to work fine but zensnmp daemon seems to die after sometime what's the problem I am not getting
[04-Jun-2006 09:18:56] <ecn> try to run it in the foreground:
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:01] <openbysource> okay
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:02] <ecn> oh... wait
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:06] <ecn> what version are you using?
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:06] <openbysource> ok
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:20] <ecn> you should really try to work from the svn trunk
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:23] <openbysource> 0.19.4
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:29] <ecn> ya, use the trunk
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:34] <ecn> just delete the install
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:40] <ecn> and follow the svn instructions
[04-Jun-2006 09:19:41] <openbysource> okay I clean it all
[04-Jun-2006 09:37:21] <openbysource> how to configure zenoss for one network , where we find this thing zenmonadmin guide ?
[04-Jun-2006 09:41:19] <openbysource> I really like to learn working in zenoss where do I go ?
[04-Jun-2006 09:48:23] <openbysource> okay, now I downloaded from svn trunk, it says version 0-18.0, its older than I had previously
[04-Jun-2006 09:48:40] <ecn> ask google:
[04-Jun-2006 09:48:53] <ecn> "zenoss admin guide"
[04-Jun-2006 09:48:54] <openbysource> oh
[04-Jun-2006 09:48:56] <ecn> it's the first hit
[04-Jun-2006 09:49:15] <ecn> documentation could be improved 8-)
[04-Jun-2006 09:49:37] <openbysource> what about the version , I have downloaded older version I guess from the trunk
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:12] <ecn> http://tinyurl.com/p2ajm
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:13] <ecn> 0.20
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:13] <ecn> which is very very close to the trunk
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:13] <ecn> maybe 2 lines of code different at this point
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:26] <openbysource> I did from > http://dev.zenoss.org/svn/trunk/inst
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:26] <adytum-bot> Title: Revision 1521: /trunk/inst (at dev.zenoss.org)
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:36] <ecn> ya, same version
[04-Jun-2006 09:51:52] <openbysource> okay it said me ,Checked out revision 1521.
[04-Jun-2006 10:08:02] <openbysource> join @zenoss-dev , lol
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[05-Jun-2006 09:48:08] <edahl> test
[05-Jun-2006 09:48:17] <ecn> test test test
[05-Jun-2006 09:48:22] <edahl> cool
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[05-Jun-2006 11:31:41] <openbysource> zenoss in gentoo and issues ?
[05-Jun-2006 11:38:21] <ecn> There may be issues... I haven't tried it personally
[05-Jun-2006 11:38:31] <openbysource> thanks
[05-Jun-2006 11:38:36] <openbysource> I am trying
[05-Jun-2006 11:38:38] <openbysource> lol
[05-Jun-2006 11:38:47] <ecn> what sort of errors are you seeing?
[05-Jun-2006 11:39:06] <openbysource> nothing till now I am emerging python right now lol
[05-Jun-2006 11:39:28] <openbysource> I will test zenoss on around 13 distros
[05-Jun-2006 11:40:39] <ecn> well, at least w/gentoo you won't have to pull down the -devel packages all the other distros need
[05-Jun-2006 11:41:08] <openbysource> yeah that's what the real thing I like about gentoo
[05-Jun-2006 11:41:10] <edahl> That's great that you are testing on a bunch of distros!
[05-Jun-2006 11:41:18] <openbysource> I love zenoss
[05-Jun-2006 11:41:29] <edahl> cool!
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:03] <creiht> openbysource: Installation was super easy on Ubuntu... working on Redhat ES3 right now
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:12] <openbysource> creiht: nice
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:23] <creiht> ES3 is a bit of a pain since RPM's are not available for Python
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:23] <openbysource> creiht: tried dapper ?
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:29] <ecn> i've tested freebsd (yuck!) and FC5
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:34] <openbysource> creiht: ES4
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:42] <creiht> openbysource: Yes it was dapper
[05-Jun-2006 11:43:52] <openbysource> creiht: how's dapper ?
[05-Jun-2006 11:44:02] <creiht> openbysource: Unfortunately our production boxes are running ES3
[05-Jun-2006 11:44:12] <openbysource> creiht: oh
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[05-Jun-2006 11:44:35] <creiht> openbysource: I love it... I have been running the beta on my laptop for the last few months
[05-Jun-2006 11:44:48] <openbysource> ecn: fc5, rhel4ws, gentoo (trying)
[05-Jun-2006 11:44:57] <openbysource> creiht: I started last week
[05-Jun-2006 11:47:23] <creiht> ecn: What's wrong with freebsd?
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[05-Jun-2006 12:05:33] <amodlin> man, wireless is a pain.
[05-Jun-2006 12:05:44] <openbysource> amodlin: lol
[05-Jun-2006 12:05:54] <openbysource> amodlin: what happened
[05-Jun-2006 12:06:10] <amodlin> openbysource: being new to linux is what happened, and trying to get working wireless
[05-Jun-2006 12:06:26] <openbysource> amodlin: need help ?
[05-Jun-2006 12:07:09] <amodlin> openbysource: well, i think i'm pretty good right now im running Ubuntu 6.06 and it's pretty simple to get it working. i was just having problems with VMWare installed and using my wireless
[05-Jun-2006 12:07:37] <openbysource> amodlin: okay
[05-Jun-2006 12:42:33] <creiht> Hmmm
[05-Jun-2006 12:43:01] <openbysource> creiht: what happened
[05-Jun-2006 12:43:40] <creiht> Well my internal server that I am trying to install this on can not reach the outside world via subversion
[05-Jun-2006 12:44:00] <openbysource> creiht: copy the install gz
[05-Jun-2006 12:44:24] <creiht> Where do I find that?
[05-Jun-2006 12:44:53] <creiht> err
[05-Jun-2006 12:44:54] <creiht> well
[05-Jun-2006 12:45:01] <creiht> How do I do that with .20?
[05-Jun-2006 12:45:43] <creiht> off to lunch... bbl
[05-Jun-2006 12:51:02] <ecn> we don't have a .20 tarball (yet)
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[05-Jun-2006 13:06:26] <ecn> what's wrong with freebsd? Hmm. root's login is csh, for one
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[05-Jun-2006 13:09:16] <ecn> creight: you can get the beta tarball:
[05-Jun-2006 13:09:34] <ecn> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.20.0-b1.tar.gz
[05-Jun-2006 13:09:40] <ecn> that's very close to up-to-date
[05-Jun-2006 13:09:54] <ecn> do your internal boxes have http access?
[05-Jun-2006 13:10:49] <ecn> since svn is over std http, it should work
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[05-Jun-2006 13:56:28] <creiht> ecn: It does have http access but evidently our proxy doesn't support the extra http commands used by svn (according to the subversion faq)
[05-Jun-2006 13:57:04] <creiht> ecn: The beta tar ball will probably do well enough for now... How long until an official .20?
[05-Jun-2006 13:57:20] <ecn> oh, maybe an hour 8-)
[05-Jun-2006 13:57:27] * creiht laughs
[05-Jun-2006 13:57:37] <creiht> Perhaps I will wait just a bit then
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[05-Jun-2006 14:37:47] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.20.0-b1.tar.gz
[05-Jun-2006 14:37:47] <edahl> Just cut the .20 release
[05-Jun-2006 14:38:13] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.20.0-b1.tar.gz
[05-Jun-2006 14:38:13] <ecn> erik is having a bad day 8-)
[05-Jun-2006 14:38:36] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.20.0.tar.gz
[05-Jun-2006 14:38:37] <edahl> ok that's it!
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[05-Jun-2006 14:56:15] <creiht> wohoo
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[05-Jun-2006 15:44:39] <creiht> What is the install doing when it is printing out a bunch of . . . . . ?
[05-Jun-2006 15:44:52] <ecn> it's trying to start zeo database
[05-Jun-2006 15:44:57] <creiht> ahhh
[05-Jun-2006 15:44:58] <creiht> ok
[05-Jun-2006 15:45:02] <ecn> and yours is already running
[05-Jun-2006 15:45:07] <creiht> oh
[05-Jun-2006 15:45:08] <creiht> laugh
[05-Jun-2006 15:45:21] <creiht> so should I stop it?
[05-Jun-2006 15:45:27] <ecn> yes
[05-Jun-2006 15:53:41] <creiht> hmmm
[05-Jun-2006 15:53:52] <creiht> I do a zenoss start
[05-Jun-2006 15:54:00] <creiht> Everything shows that they are starting up
[05-Jun-2006 15:54:06] <creiht> And when I do a zenoss status
[05-Jun-2006 15:54:28] <creiht> zenmoddler, ping, syslog, status and actions are not running
[05-Jun-2006 15:54:37] <creiht> Am I missing something
[05-Jun-2006 15:55:21] <ecn> hmm
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[05-Jun-2006 15:55:38] <creiht> Looking at the logs
[05-Jun-2006 15:55:45] <creiht> It says that everything starts up
[05-Jun-2006 15:55:50] * creiht finds nothing to collect
[05-Jun-2006 15:55:55] <creiht> and then says stopping
[05-Jun-2006 15:55:58] <ecn> oh
[05-Jun-2006 15:56:06] <ecn> add a device
[05-Jun-2006 15:56:07] <creiht> like it is doing a run rather than a start
[05-Jun-2006 15:56:13] <creiht> oh
[05-Jun-2006 15:56:14] <creiht> hehe
[05-Jun-2006 15:56:14] <creiht> ok
[05-Jun-2006 15:57:39] <creiht> hmm has the url for the portal changed?
[05-Jun-2006 15:58:03] <creiht> I get a Site Error when I try to go to /zport/dmd
[05-Jun-2006 15:58:12] <ecn> nope
[05-Jun-2006 15:58:15] <ecn> that's a problem
[05-Jun-2006 15:58:32] <ecn> did you restart zope after you brought out the zeo database?
[05-Jun-2006 15:58:47] <creiht> I don't think so
[05-Jun-2006 15:59:48] <creiht> zope restarted and still the same error
[05-Jun-2006 16:00:28] <creiht> I'm going to try re--installing
[05-Jun-2006 16:00:36] <creiht> I might have messed up the install
[05-Jun-2006 16:00:50] <creiht> The first attempt failed and I removed everything and tried again
[05-Jun-2006 16:00:58] <creiht> But forgot the zope process was still running
[05-Jun-2006 16:01:22] <ecn> kill everything that seems to be python 8-)
[05-Jun-2006 16:01:30] <ecn> make clean
[05-Jun-2006 16:01:35] <ecn> rm -rf $ZENHOME
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[05-Jun-2006 16:11:37] <creiht> Yes that seems to have been the problem
[05-Jun-2006 16:12:06] <ecn> the install script does shutdown zenoss if it finds it installed
[05-Jun-2006 16:12:53] <creiht> Well I had removed the directory
[05-Jun-2006 16:13:02] <creiht> but the processes were still running
[05-Jun-2006 16:13:09] <ecn> right
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[05-Jun-2006 16:23:15] <creiht> Is there a way that I can control what IP Services show up under the OS tab when looking at devices?
[05-Jun-2006 16:28:13] <edahl> zIpServiceMapMaxPort
[05-Jun-2006 16:28:27] <edahl> can be set to the highest port number collected
[05-Jun-2006 16:28:37] <creiht> hmmm
[05-Jun-2006 16:28:38] <edahl> default 1024
[05-Jun-2006 16:28:49] <creiht> Well that's not exactly what I am looking for
[05-Jun-2006 16:28:51] <creiht> For example
[05-Jun-2006 16:29:00] <creiht> smux show sup
[05-Jun-2006 16:29:13] <creiht> It's not even set up to monitor that and I will not be monitoring that
[05-Jun-2006 16:29:52] <creiht> What would be ideal is to only show the services that are currently being monitored
[05-Jun-2006 16:30:05] <edahl> we need a filter for that
[05-Jun-2006 16:30:21] <creiht> That would work
[05-Jun-2006 16:30:36] <edahl> its nice to see all ipservices sometimes
[05-Jun-2006 16:30:52] <creiht> Even ones that are set to not be monitored?
[05-Jun-2006 16:31:02] <edahl> so you know they are there
[05-Jun-2006 16:31:06] <creiht> ahhh
[05-Jun-2006 16:31:25] <creiht> That's true
[05-Jun-2006 16:32:01] <creiht> Perhaps another option in the service definition so you could define which ones show up
[05-Jun-2006 16:32:26] <edahl> good idea
[05-Jun-2006 16:32:34] <creiht> That would work well for us
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[05-Jun-2006 16:33:40] <creiht> Another nice thing would be to have the ability to manually set a service to be monitored on a device
[05-Jun-2006 16:33:46] <creiht> Even if it isn't detected
[05-Jun-2006 16:34:41] <creiht> We have to sometimes set things up before the customer has configured everything
[05-Jun-2006 16:35:14] <creiht> And it is easier to do it all up front, rather than having to remember to come back later and add stuff
[05-Jun-2006 16:35:40] <edahl> you shouldn't have to do stuff later if you setup the service class to be monitored
[05-Jun-2006 16:35:54] <edahl> once its discovered monitoring starts automagically
[05-Jun-2006 16:36:03] <creiht> That's true
[05-Jun-2006 16:36:19] <creiht> But that brings up another point
[05-Jun-2006 16:36:34] <creiht> Monitoring is a service we provide to customers
[05-Jun-2006 16:36:48] <creiht> We don't monitor everything
[05-Jun-2006 16:36:57] <creiht> We monitor specific things
[05-Jun-2006 16:37:24] <creiht> So one customer may not want monitoring for http, so we don't want it auto-detected
[05-Jun-2006 16:37:46] <edahl> difference between detected and monitored
[05-Jun-2006 16:37:59] <edahl> you can shut off monitoring at the instance (for one customer)
[05-Jun-2006 16:39:25] <creiht> so if I am looking at the device, and I click on one of the services, I can set monitored to False and it will turn off monitoring for just that one server, and not system wide?
[05-Jun-2006 16:39:28] <edahl> so all http monitored by default except cust xyz server pdq
[05-Jun-2006 16:39:35] <edahl> yes
[05-Jun-2006 16:39:38] <creiht> ok
[05-Jun-2006 16:39:42] <creiht> That's cool
[05-Jun-2006 16:39:51] <edahl> you need to go to the "class" to shut off system wide
[05-Jun-2006 16:39:57] <edahl> very powerfull!
[05-Jun-2006 16:40:00] <edahl> l
[05-Jun-2006 16:40:02] <creiht> I wasn't sure as it looked like it would shut it off system wide
[05-Jun-2006 16:40:05] <creiht> yes indeed
[05-Jun-2006 16:40:38] <creiht> Then something that would be nice is a column in IP Services that shows weather or not monitoring is turned on for the service
[05-Jun-2006 16:40:45] <edahl> most config in zenoss works this way
[05-Jun-2006 16:40:57] <creiht> cool
[05-Jun-2006 16:41:11] <edahl> if status == none its turned off
[05-Jun-2006 16:41:20] <creiht> oh
[05-Jun-2006 16:41:24] <creiht> That works
[05-Jun-2006 16:41:39] <edahl> guess it could be there explictly
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[05-Jun-2006 16:42:47] <creiht> So what does status show if monitoring is turned on for the service, but was not detected for the device?
[05-Jun-2006 16:43:07] <edahl> it won't be listed
[05-Jun-2006 16:43:17] <edahl> on device
[05-Jun-2006 16:43:42] <creiht> hmmm
[05-Jun-2006 16:44:26] <creiht> Then I guess I am a bit confused as to why then services that are turned off show up in the IP Services list
[05-Jun-2006 16:44:59] <edahl> they exist on the box but aren't being monitored
[05-Jun-2006 16:45:13] <creiht> oh
[05-Jun-2006 16:45:32] <creiht> That makes sense now
[05-Jun-2006 16:45:49] <creiht> I feel a bit silly now
[05-Jun-2006 16:46:24] <creiht> So then the opposite would hold true that if I turn a service on for a box (that is globally off) it will turn it on for just that box?
[05-Jun-2006 16:46:40] <edahl> yep
[05-Jun-2006 16:46:46] <creiht> Ahhh
[05-Jun-2006 16:46:48] <creiht> ok
[05-Jun-2006 16:47:11] <creiht> Now that I understand this a bit better ignore my previous statements
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[05-Jun-2006 17:18:57] <creiht> hmmm... So what would cause the SMTP service to be on globally but be turned off on the server that I auto-discovered?
[05-Jun-2006 17:27:08] <creiht> ugh
[05-Jun-2006 17:27:19] <creiht> Nevermind
[05-Jun-2006 17:27:36] <creiht> My brain intertwined SNMP and SMTP
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[06-Jun-2006 10:49:30] <creiht> Do any of you guys run port sentry?
[06-Jun-2006 10:49:56] <ecn> nope
[06-Jun-2006 10:50:06] <ecn> or rather, I don't
[06-Jun-2006 10:50:06] <creiht> Some of our servers run it
[06-Jun-2006 10:50:38] <creiht> And when I run the collect, a lot of extra services show up
[06-Jun-2006 10:50:46] <creiht> And I think it is because of port sentry
[06-Jun-2006 10:50:58] <creiht> Since it actually binds all the ports it is monitoring
[06-Jun-2006 10:51:07] <edahl> yuck!
[06-Jun-2006 10:51:12] <creiht> hehe
[06-Jun-2006 10:51:13] <creiht> yeah
[06-Jun-2006 10:51:26] <edahl> on every port?
[06-Jun-2006 10:51:41] <creiht> not every port
[06-Jun-2006 10:52:03] <creiht> It only monitors commonly exploited ports
[06-Jun-2006 10:52:24] <creiht> Like tftp
[06-Jun-2006 10:52:34] <creiht> At least I think... I'm not completely familiar with it
[06-Jun-2006 10:52:41] <edahl> got it and only when there is no server there
[06-Jun-2006 10:52:49] <edahl> ie tftp server?
[06-Jun-2006 10:52:57] <creiht> right
[06-Jun-2006 10:53:47] <creiht> So a currently monitored filter would be nice now
[06-Jun-2006 10:57:11] <edahl> yes would be nice
[06-Jun-2006 10:57:14] <edahl> I will add ticket
[06-Jun-2006 10:57:19] <creiht> cool
[06-Jun-2006 10:57:36] <creiht> One other interesting thing has also popped up
[06-Jun-2006 10:58:09] <edahl> #134
[06-Jun-2006 10:58:37] <creiht> well hmmm
[06-Jun-2006 10:58:42] <creiht> Let me test it some more
[06-Jun-2006 10:58:48] <edahl> k
[06-Jun-2006 10:58:54] <creiht> Otherwise things are going ver well
[06-Jun-2006 10:59:50] <edahl> cool
[06-Jun-2006 11:03:10] <creiht> I guess another option is that I could delete most of those services
[06-Jun-2006 11:03:23] <creiht> As I'm never going to need to monitor things like tftp
[06-Jun-2006 11:03:31] <creiht> or would that cause issues?
[06-Jun-2006 11:03:56] <edahl> best to mark them to not be monitored for now
[06-Jun-2006 11:04:07] <edahl> and then filter them out
[06-Jun-2006 11:04:19] <edahl> maybe we need a hide or something like that
[06-Jun-2006 11:04:34] <creiht> That would be cool as well
[06-Jun-2006 11:04:44] <edahl> deleting them makes it hard for autodiscovery to know not to add them back
[06-Jun-2006 11:04:59] <creiht> and Monitor is False for those services
[06-Jun-2006 11:05:11] <creiht> ahhh
[06-Jun-2006 11:05:29] <edahl> yes
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[06-Jun-2006 12:07:12] <creiht> Hmmm
[06-Jun-2006 12:07:22] <creiht> Anyone know what else might block snmp
[06-Jun-2006 12:08:13] <creiht> besides iptables
[06-Jun-2006 12:08:16] <creiht> and portsentry
[06-Jun-2006 12:08:39] <creiht> I'm using the same snmpd.conf as other servers that are working
[06-Jun-2006 12:08:43] * creiht logs show snmp starts
[06-Jun-2006 12:08:59] <creiht> I also get a log message that says
[06-Jun-2006 12:08:59] <creiht> Received SNMP packet(s) from
[06-Jun-2006 12:09:17] <creiht> But when trying to load the device, it can't find snmp
[06-Jun-2006 12:37:30] <creiht> On another note
[06-Jun-2006 12:37:47] <creiht> I've created a section in Systems and added devices to it
[06-Jun-2006 12:38:21] <creiht> No if I go to that systems page, and select the Performance tab I see the devices listed but no performance information... Is something supposed to show up here?
[06-Jun-2006 13:45:33] <creiht> Ahh well.. I will be back after lunch
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[06-Jun-2006 15:03:45] <ecn> creight: are you running zenperfsnmp?
[06-Jun-2006 15:04:24] <ecn> oops
[06-Jun-2006 15:04:37] <ecn> creiht: are you running zenperfsnmp?
[06-Jun-2006 15:07:35] <creiht> ecn: Yes
[06-Jun-2006 15:08:29] <ecn> hmm
[06-Jun-2006 15:08:38] <ecn> try running zensnmp in the foreground
[06-Jun-2006 15:08:43] <ecn> like this:
[06-Jun-2006 15:08:49] <ecn> zenperfsnmp run -v 10
[06-Jun-2006 15:09:35] <creiht> ok just a sec...
[06-Jun-2006 15:19:11] <creiht> ecn: Should I stop zenperfsnmp first?
[06-Jun-2006 15:19:19] <ecn> naw
[06-Jun-2006 15:19:58] <creiht> ok done
[06-Jun-2006 15:20:49] <creiht> What should I be looking for?
[06-Jun-2006 15:20:52] <ecn> errors
[06-Jun-2006 15:21:00] <ecn> did it say anything about creating files?
[06-Jun-2006 15:22:09] <creiht> No errors
[06-Jun-2006 15:22:14] <creiht> No creating files
[06-Jun-2006 15:22:22] <creiht> Which question is this in response to?
[06-Jun-2006 15:22:32] <creiht> Just receiving config for my devices
[06-Jun-2006 15:24:02] <creiht> I think my brain reset after lunch.. and I don't even remember what I asked earlier
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:03] <amodlin> <creiht> Anyone know what else might block snmp
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:05] <amodlin> <creiht> No if I go to that systems page, and select the Performance tab I see the devices listed but no performance information... Is something supposed to show up here?
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:06] <amodlin> those questions?
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:29] <creiht> ahhh
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:30] <ecn> yes, that's what I'm trying to figure out
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:31] <creiht> thanks
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:38] <ecn> ok, so...
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:42] <ecn> go look at the perf again
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:53] <ecn> do you see a lack of charts?
[06-Jun-2006 15:25:57] <ecn> or a lack of anything?
[06-Jun-2006 15:26:15] <creiht> ok
[06-Jun-2006 15:26:27] <creiht> The perf stuff shows if I go to a specific device
[06-Jun-2006 15:26:42] <creiht> If I go to my Systems group that I created
[06-Jun-2006 15:26:57] <creiht> And click on the performance tab
[06-Jun-2006 15:27:05] <creiht> I get the names of all the servers
[06-Jun-2006 15:27:08] <creiht> but no graphs
[06-Jun-2006 15:27:50] <ecn> ok, I'll ask Erik when he gets back in the office
[06-Jun-2006 15:28:14] <creiht> cool
[06-Jun-2006 15:28:15] <creiht> thanks
[06-Jun-2006 15:48:42] <edahl> are you sure they have perf graphs?
[06-Jun-2006 15:48:50] <edahl> each server that is
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[06-Jun-2006 15:50:37] <edahl> ok i'm seeing it on my demo system
[06-Jun-2006 15:50:48] <edahl> haven't looked at that screen in a while
[06-Jun-2006 15:50:52] <edahl> must be a bug
[06-Jun-2006 15:52:45] <creiht> edahl: cool
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[06-Jun-2006 16:05:40] <creiht> How do I add a device that doesn't have snmp, but I want to monitor the services (HTTP, etc.)?
[06-Jun-2006 16:09:39] <edahl> you can add a device with no snmp by setting Discovery Protocol to none on device add
[06-Jun-2006 16:09:45] <edahl> screen
[06-Jun-2006 16:09:51] <creiht> edahl: I tried that
[06-Jun-2006 16:09:55] <creiht> If I go to the OS tab
[06-Jun-2006 16:09:58] <creiht> Nothing shows up
[06-Jun-2006 16:10:03] <edahl> right
[06-Jun-2006 16:10:08] <creiht> At least no services do
[06-Jun-2006 16:10:12] <edahl> no services discovered
[06-Jun-2006 16:10:19] <edahl> you are in ping only mode at that point
[06-Jun-2006 16:10:26] <creiht> Ahhh
[06-Jun-2006 16:10:28] <edahl> can you discover though ssh?
[06-Jun-2006 16:10:55] <creiht> If I select that, it still tries to do an snmp discovery
[06-Jun-2006 16:11:01] <edahl> we have an enhancment request to discover services via tcp scan
[06-Jun-2006 16:11:06] <creiht> and no services are discovered
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:04] <creiht> Do I need to do anything else to do ssh discovery other than select ssh?
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:18] <edahl> ssh is there but doesn't work today
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:18] <creiht> And discovering via tcp would be nice
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:21] <edahl> set it on none
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:29] <creiht> ahh
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:39] <edahl> ssh can be done after you load the device
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:45] <creiht> oh
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:46] <creiht> ok
[06-Jun-2006 16:12:49] <creiht> let me add a device
[06-Jun-2006 16:13:19] <creiht> does it need login credentials
[06-Jun-2006 16:13:20] <creiht> ?
[06-Jun-2006 16:13:35] <edahl> just set zCommandUsername
[06-Jun-2006 16:13:46] <edahl> zCommandPassword
[06-Jun-2006 16:13:57] <creiht> hehe... well I don't have login access
[06-Jun-2006 16:13:59] <edahl> or preshared key in zenoss/.ssh
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:02] <edahl> right
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:14] <edahl> tcp scan is what you need
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:20] <creiht> yes
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:28] <creiht> pokes oubiwann
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:30] <edahl> how does opennms do this
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:30] <creiht>
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:33] <edahl> ?
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:40] <edahl> right
[06-Jun-2006 16:14:44] <creiht> I'm not completely sure
[06-Jun-2006 16:15:03] <creiht> We add an interface
[06-Jun-2006 16:15:16] <creiht> Well I think I know
[06-Jun-2006 16:15:50] <creiht> They have a config file in which you set up what services you want to monitor
[06-Jun-2006 16:16:39] <creiht> So for example you might define a SSH service as a TCP poll on port 23 (Don't remember the port of the top of my head)
[06-Jun-2006 16:17:09] <creiht> They have a daemon that runs called capsd
[06-Jun-2006 16:17:15] <creiht> That checks for capabilities
[06-Jun-2006 16:17:46] <creiht> So when I add a new interface (a device) it scans the config for all the configurations, and checks if that service is available
[06-Jun-2006 16:18:41] <creiht> So with zenoss does it use snmp to figure out what services are running?
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[06-Jun-2006 16:25:39] <edahl> snmp or ssh
[06-Jun-2006 16:26:31] <edahl> but tcp scan is easy to add
[06-Jun-2006 16:26:47] <edahl> and useful in this case (another user has asked for this as well)
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[06-Jun-2006 16:29:42] <edahl> made enhancement for this #135
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[06-Jun-2006 16:30:36] <creiht> wohoo
[06-Jun-2006 16:30:37] <creiht>
[06-Jun-2006 16:35:25] <creiht> So is the polling for services done then through snmp as well?
[06-Jun-2006 16:38:56] <edahl> either way snmp/ssh/tcpscan
[06-Jun-2006 16:39:33] <creiht> ok
[06-Jun-2006 16:39:38] <creiht> interesting
[06-Jun-2006 16:39:51] <creiht> This thing is very slick
[06-Jun-2006 16:43:04] <edahl> thanks!
[06-Jun-2006 16:43:24] <creiht> The thing that ONMS has lacked is a good UI
[06-Jun-2006 16:43:30] <edahl> ok
[06-Jun-2006 16:43:44] <creiht> And this UI is soooooo much better and more useful
[06-Jun-2006 16:43:51] <edahl> great!
[06-Jun-2006 16:44:02] <edahl> do you want to talk more on phone sometime?
[06-Jun-2006 16:44:12] <creiht> Actually that would be cool
[06-Jun-2006 16:44:44] <creiht> How scaleable is zenoss
[06-Jun-2006 16:44:44] <edahl> tomorrow afternoon and friday are good for me...
[06-Jun-2006 16:44:58] <creiht> Lets shoot for Friday
[06-Jun-2006 16:44:59] <edahl> largest customer is big cable company
[06-Jun-2006 16:45:15] <edahl> 1500 devices most large switches or routers
[06-Jun-2006 16:45:22] <creiht> Scaleability is what ONMS has going for it
[06-Jun-2006 16:45:24] <edahl> friday is great
[06-Jun-2006 16:45:46] <creiht> Friday's are much slower for me so that works well
[06-Jun-2006 16:45:55] <creiht> I should be on IRC then, so we can arange it then
[06-Jun-2006 16:45:55] <edahl> cool
[06-Jun-2006 16:45:59] <edahl> sounds good
[06-Jun-2006 16:47:06] <creiht> Right now I'm just going to be monitoring about 30 servers that we use for production
[06-Jun-2006 16:47:18] <creiht> On a larger scale we monitor about 25K devices total
[06-Jun-2006 16:47:19] <edahl> no problem there
[06-Jun-2006 16:47:44] <edahl> are you doing performance monitoring against 25k devs?
[06-Jun-2006 16:47:51] <edahl> or just service monitoring
[06-Jun-2006 16:47:55] <creiht> Right now that is just service monitoring
[06-Jun-2006 16:48:09] <creiht> A very small subset does performance monitoring
[06-Jun-2006 16:48:16] <edahl> should be no problem
[06-Jun-2006 16:48:19] <creiht> And we are looking to expanding the performance monitoring
[06-Jun-2006 16:48:50] <edahl> that requires serious horse power
[06-Jun-2006 16:48:58] <creiht> But I can't promise anything beyond my current 30 production servers right now
[06-Jun-2006 16:49:05] <edahl> no worries!
[06-Jun-2006 16:49:06] <creiht> Yeah
[06-Jun-2006 16:49:30] <creiht> Hardware shouldn't be a problem for us
[06-Jun-2006 16:49:57] <edahl>
[06-Jun-2006 16:49:57] <creiht> The nice thing is that those 25K devices are split across 5 datacenters
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:06] <edahl> that's cool
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:11] <creiht> With the biggest DC being about 6k devices
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:21] <edahl> cool we are in DC
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:21] <creiht> So we have separate systems in each DC
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:32] <creiht> oh DC=datacenter
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:34] <creiht> sorry
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:40] <creiht> We are in San Antonio, TX
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:41] <edahl>
[06-Jun-2006 16:50:49] <creiht> Though we have a DC in dulles
[06-Jun-2006 16:51:02] <edahl> that's what I thought
[06-Jun-2006 16:51:10] <creiht> Which is close I hear
[06-Jun-2006 16:51:15] <edahl> yep
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[07-Jun-2006 10:21:45] <creiht> Good morning
[07-Jun-2006 10:22:20] <amodli1> Morning
[07-Jun-2006 10:23:31] <creiht> So are you guys ready for some more suggestions?
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[07-Jun-2006 10:57:50] <creiht> ecn!
[07-Jun-2006 10:57:57] <ecn> Howdy
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[07-Jun-2006 10:58:17] <creiht> Do you know if you can handle SNMP Traps with zenoss?
[07-Jun-2006 10:58:27] <ecn> I don't know
[07-Jun-2006 10:58:35] <ecn> I think so
[07-Jun-2006 10:59:17] <ecn> Erik says it will in the next release
[07-Jun-2006 10:59:22] <creiht> ahh cool
[07-Jun-2006 10:59:27] <creiht> I need it now!
[07-Jun-2006 10:59:28] <creiht>
[07-Jun-2006 10:59:29] <creiht> jk
[07-Jun-2006 10:59:51] <edahl> #21
[07-Jun-2006 10:59:56] <edahl> enhancement
[07-Jun-2006 11:00:14] <creiht> Cool
[07-Jun-2006 11:01:42] <creiht> I have another suggestion for Alerting rules
[07-Jun-2006 11:02:12] <creiht> Right now the message is just one line and is used for both the subject and the message text
[07-Jun-2006 11:02:20] <creiht> It would be nice to have separate fields for both
[07-Jun-2006 11:02:36] <creiht> And a larger field to be able to enter more text
[07-Jun-2006 11:02:41] <creiht> for the message text
[07-Jun-2006 11:05:36] <edahl> yes good thought
[07-Jun-2006 11:06:01] <edahl> I'm adding it to #44
[07-Jun-2006 11:06:08] <edahl> which is about better alerting
[07-Jun-2006 11:06:15] <creiht> cool
[07-Jun-2006 11:09:05] <creiht> Any plans to be able to monitor JMX?
[07-Jun-2006 11:11:18] <edahl> definitely plan to do it
[07-Jun-2006 11:11:33] <edahl> your the first requester of the feature
[07-Jun-2006 11:11:41] <edahl> how important is it to you?
[07-Jun-2006 11:12:08] <creiht> Handling traps will most like do what I need
[07-Jun-2006 11:12:13] <edahl> cool
[07-Jun-2006 11:12:16] <creiht> We have some JBOSS cluseters
[07-Jun-2006 11:12:29] <creiht> And want to monitor for some events
[07-Jun-2006 11:12:48] <edahl> can you get events through JMX?
[07-Jun-2006 11:12:58] <creiht> We can expose those through either SNMP traps or JMX
[07-Jun-2006 11:13:03] <edahl> got it
[07-Jun-2006 11:13:25] <creiht> I suspect that SNMP traps are much easier
[07-Jun-2006 11:13:40] <edahl> yep nothing like open standards
[07-Jun-2006 11:14:05] <creiht> On down the road though, being able to monitor JMX opens up a lot of cool possibilities
[07-Jun-2006 11:14:28] <edahl> yep I will add an enhancement so we are tracking it
[07-Jun-2006 11:15:00] <creiht> And I would bet would open up a bunch of potential users of zenoss
[07-Jun-2006 11:16:22] <creiht> So I have showed it to several of my co-workers now
[07-Jun-2006 11:16:32] <creiht> Most of the responses have been
[07-Jun-2006 11:16:37] <creiht> Holy cow that is cool
[07-Jun-2006 11:17:44] <edahl> great!
[07-Jun-2006 11:17:56] <creiht> Setting up alerting seems to be the biggest downer for every one that I show it to
[07-Jun-2006 11:18:23] <edahl> having to put the where clause in?
[07-Jun-2006 11:18:27] <creiht> yeah
[07-Jun-2006 11:18:29] <edahl> IE no GUI
[07-Jun-2006 11:18:41] <creiht> yes
[07-Jun-2006 11:18:46] <edahl> so big three features of 0.21 are
[07-Jun-2006 11:18:48] <edahl> traps
[07-Jun-2006 11:18:59] <edahl> process monitoring through SNMP Host Resources
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:07] <edahl> and Alerting Improvements
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:13] <creiht> cool
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:23] <edahl> here is a good place to track
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:26] <edahl> progress
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:50] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/milestone/zenoss-0.21.0
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Milestone zenoss-0.21.0 - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:50] <creiht> ahh
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:50] <creiht> very good
[07-Jun-2006 11:19:50] <edahl> all features for existing customers
[07-Jun-2006 11:20:05] <creiht> process monitoring sounds cool as well
[07-Jun-2006 11:20:17] <edahl> yes
[07-Jun-2006 11:20:35] <creiht> Do you guys have a timeframe in mind for the .21 release?
[07-Jun-2006 11:21:05] <creiht> I know that is a tough question to ask
[07-Jun-2006 11:25:13] <edahl> 4 weeks right now but I'm guess we will need an extra 2
[07-Jun-2006 11:25:40] <edahl> (Its part of the milestone screen...)
[07-Jun-2006 11:27:16] <creiht> oh
[07-Jun-2006 11:27:21] <creiht> heh... I missed that
[07-Jun-2006 11:27:28] <creiht> Cool
[07-Jun-2006 11:29:34] <creiht> So next question...
[07-Jun-2006 11:29:46] <creiht> I notice that there is a syslog monitor
[07-Jun-2006 11:29:50] <creiht> err not monitor
[07-Jun-2006 11:29:51] <creiht> daemon
[07-Jun-2006 11:30:07] <creiht> Does that allow the monitoring of syslog messages?
[07-Jun-2006 11:30:21] <edahl> yep
[07-Jun-2006 11:30:24] <creiht> Cool
[07-Jun-2006 11:30:34] <creiht> How do you set that up?
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:05] <edahl> start it up and point boxes to it
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:13] <creiht> oh
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:17] <creiht> That makes sense
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:23] <edahl> admin guide talks about how to create mapping rules
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:34] <edahl> (although this needs some improvement)
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:35] <creiht> Cool I will check that out
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:37] <creiht> hehe
[07-Jun-2006 11:31:42] <edahl>
[07-Jun-2006 11:37:13] <creiht> Well if that works, we may be able to do what we needed traps for through the syslog monitor
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[07-Jun-2006 11:51:26] <edahl> cool!
[07-Jun-2006 12:09:41] <creiht> Is there a way to use a different port for the syslog daemon?
[07-Jun-2006 12:11:30] <ecn> yes
[07-Jun-2006 12:11:38] <ecn> but not via config
[07-Jun-2006 12:12:02] <ecn> change SYSLOG_PORT in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenEvents/zensyslog.py
[07-Jun-2006 12:12:22] <creiht> ahhh ok
[07-Jun-2006 12:12:55] <creiht> The server that is running zenoss is already running a syslog server
[07-Jun-2006 12:13:41] <ecn> ok
[07-Jun-2006 12:13:57] <ecn> well, then zensyslog isn't going to get those events
[07-Jun-2006 12:14:19] <creiht> and that is fine
[07-Jun-2006 12:14:38] <creiht> For now we are just going to send targeted events to zenoss
[07-Jun-2006 12:14:56] <creiht> for syslog
[07-Jun-2006 12:15:38] <creiht> If this works out well, then we may move all syslog traffic to go through zenoss
[07-Jun-2006 12:16:42] <ecn> ok, great!
[07-Jun-2006 12:18:42] <creiht> We also run splunk on this server
[07-Jun-2006 12:21:33] <ecn> googling
[07-Jun-2006 12:22:05] <ecn> ah
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[07-Jun-2006 14:51:03] <creiht> edahl: What SNMP agent do you guys recommend for monitoring Windows boxes?
[07-Jun-2006 14:54:54] <ecn> http://www.snmp-informant.com/download.htm
[07-Jun-2006 14:54:54] <adytum-bot> Title: snmp-informant.com (at www.snmp-informant.com)
[07-Jun-2006 14:54:54] <edahl> snmp-informant
[07-Jun-2006 14:54:55] <edahl> has a free thing thats cool
[07-Jun-2006 14:58:01] <creiht> Cool
[07-Jun-2006 14:58:09] <creiht> I have looked at that before
[07-Jun-2006 15:56:52] <creiht> Argh.... Log4J's Syslog appender doesn't allow you to set the port
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[08-Jun-2006 11:43:43] <creiht> ecn: Do you know by chance what unit of time the delay is when creating alerting rules?
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[08-Jun-2006 14:54:44] <ecn> creight: I don't think I even understand the question
[08-Jun-2006 14:55:31] <creiht> ecn: When you are creating an alerting rule for a user
[08-Jun-2006 14:55:56] <creiht> There is a field called delay
[08-Jun-2006 14:56:17] <creiht> I'm guessing that it is how long it waits after an event occurs before the action is taken
[08-Jun-2006 14:56:36] <creiht> And I'm guessing that it is in minutes... but it isn't completely obvious
[08-Jun-2006 14:56:41] <creiht> It could be seconds
[08-Jun-2006 15:15:01] <ecn> it is seconds
[08-Jun-2006 15:15:16] <ecn> it is used against a database timestamp() which is in seconds
[08-Jun-2006 15:15:59] <creiht> Ahh cool
[08-Jun-2006 15:16:03] <creiht> Thanks
[08-Jun-2006 15:16:52] <creiht> Things are going well
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:00] <creiht> I have about 30 servers being monitored
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:13] <ecn> erik is very happy to have an opennms person checking out the system
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:22] <ecn> thank you
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:24] <creiht> hehe
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:36] <creiht> I don't know if I would call myself an opennms person
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:46] <creiht> I just know enough to be dangerous
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:47] <ecn> well, you're at least familiar w/it
[08-Jun-2006 15:17:58] <ecn> we're just trying to get it installed 8-)
[08-Jun-2006 15:18:02] <creiht> hehe
[08-Jun-2006 15:18:10] <creiht> I have run into a couple of oddities
[08-Jun-2006 15:18:25] <creiht> I had one time that a service on a box went down
[08-Jun-2006 15:18:36] <creiht> The event triggered and I got an email
[08-Jun-2006 15:18:52] <creiht> I was at lunch so I checked the device when I got back
[08-Jun-2006 15:19:06] <creiht> And it didn't have the service listed as monitored any more
[08-Jun-2006 15:19:22] <creiht> And when I checked the server, the service was back up
[08-Jun-2006 15:19:36] <ecn> hmm
[08-Jun-2006 15:19:44] <ecn> that is strange
[08-Jun-2006 15:19:47] <creiht> I clicked on the manage tab, and told it to reload the configuration
[08-Jun-2006 15:19:54] <creiht> And everything went back to normal
[08-Jun-2006 15:19:59] <creiht> but yeah it was strange
[08-Jun-2006 15:20:14] <ecn> I know that it will sort of auto-ack events when things clear up
[08-Jun-2006 15:20:25] <ecn> so if a service goes away and comes back... the alert will clear
[08-Jun-2006 15:20:30] <creiht> Right
[08-Jun-2006 15:20:31] <ecn> but it should still be monitores
[08-Jun-2006 15:20:35] <ecn> monitored
[08-Jun-2006 15:21:56] <creiht> Right it wasn't monitored any longer, and I didn't receive a message letting me know that it was back up either
[08-Jun-2006 15:22:08] <creiht> So it seems to indicate that it stopped monitoring it while it was down
[08-Jun-2006 15:22:19] <creiht> As if it had done a re-scan while it was down or something
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[09-Jun-2006 10:43:42] <creiht> edahl: So I have had a couple of outages now where while the service is down, the service doesn't show up in the list of IP Services any longer.
[09-Jun-2006 10:44:14] <creiht> In one instance I recollected the configuration, and it picked it up again
[09-Jun-2006 10:44:36] <edahl> the machine got modeled during the outage
[09-Jun-2006 10:44:50] <edahl> you might take zenmodeler out of daemon mode
[09-Jun-2006 10:44:57] <creiht> ahhh
[09-Jun-2006 10:44:59] <edahl> and run once perday
[09-Jun-2006 10:45:03] <edahl> from cron
[09-Jun-2006 10:45:13] <creiht> ok that would make sense
[09-Jun-2006 10:45:30] <edahl> let me get an example on sec...
[09-Jun-2006 10:46:24] <creiht> So if I take zenmodeler out of daemon mode, will I still be able to Add new devices?
[09-Jun-2006 10:48:00] <edahl> yep
[09-Jun-2006 10:48:09] <creiht> cool
[09-Jun-2006 10:48:28] <creiht> Is there a way that I can configure it so that it will not start up with a zenoss start?
[09-Jun-2006 10:51:43] <edahl> yes take it out of zenoss control script
[09-Jun-2006 10:51:54] <edahl> there is a list of what to start ther
[09-Jun-2006 10:51:55] <edahl> e
[09-Jun-2006 10:55:14] <creiht> ok
[09-Jun-2006 10:55:46] <edahl> here is how to run from cron
[09-Jun-2006 10:55:48] <edahl> bin/zenmodeler run --logpath $ZENHOME/log -v30 >> log/zenmodeler.err.log 2>&1
[09-Jun-2006 10:55:57] <edahl> with proper path...
[09-Jun-2006 10:56:12] <edahl> and
[09-Jun-2006 10:56:13] <edahl> export ZENHOME=/usr/local/zenoss
[09-Jun-2006 10:56:14] <edahl> export PYTHONPATH=$ZENHOME/lib/python
[09-Jun-2006 10:58:44] <creiht> Do I have to run it, or can I just stop it and not worry about it?
[09-Jun-2006 10:58:58] <ecn> you can just stop it
[09-Jun-2006 11:00:07] <creiht> cool
[09-Jun-2006 11:00:15] <creiht> For our needs, that is probably best
[09-Jun-2006 11:01:22] <creiht> In another case we have several servers, where we actually removed MySQL
[09-Jun-2006 11:01:31] <creiht> I have events saying that it is down
[09-Jun-2006 11:01:41] <creiht> And the modeller has already removed them
[09-Jun-2006 11:01:45] <creiht> Which is fine
[09-Jun-2006 11:01:51] <creiht> How do I clear the events?
[09-Jun-2006 11:02:08] <edahl> history button on events console
[09-Jun-2006 11:02:45] <edahl> they may not have auto cleared because they were removed
[09-Jun-2006 11:04:23] <creiht> oh cooll
[09-Jun-2006 11:04:39] <creiht> I wondered what that button did
[09-Jun-2006 11:04:50] <creiht> It wasn't immediatly obviou
[09-Jun-2006 11:04:52] <creiht> err
[09-Jun-2006 11:04:55] <creiht> obvious
[09-Jun-2006 11:32:06] <edahl> right
[09-Jun-2006 11:32:12] <edahl> moves events to history db
[09-Jun-2006 12:06:25] <creiht> Hmmm
[09-Jun-2006 12:06:44] <creiht> I just noticed that it appears that performance monitoring is done every minute
[09-Jun-2006 12:07:19] <creiht> Is there a reason that it is done that often? (Most other monitoring systems that I have looked at do it every 5 minutes)
[09-Jun-2006 12:07:52] <ecn> Management -> Monitors -> Performance -> localhost -> Edit
[09-Jun-2006 12:08:27] <ecn> a paying customer recently challenged us by requesting perf measurement on 60 second intervals
[09-Jun-2006 12:08:44] <ecn> so, it's been the default
[09-Jun-2006 12:08:45] <creiht> Ahhh
[09-Jun-2006 12:08:54] <creiht> Yeah I'm about to edit it
[09-Jun-2006 12:09:03] <creiht> Just wanted to make sure that it wasn't going to cause problems
[09-Jun-2006 12:09:03] <ecn> I keep mine at 10
[09-Jun-2006 12:09:05] <ecn> seconds
[09-Jun-2006 12:09:13] <ecn> 8-)
[09-Jun-2006 12:09:17] <creiht> hehe
[09-Jun-2006 12:10:24] <creiht> What does Config Cycle Interval mean?
[09-Jun-2006 12:11:40] <ecn> that's how often the performance fetcher (zenperfsnmp) re-reads it's configuration information
[09-Jun-2006 12:11:50] <ecn> so, if you delete a device
[09-Jun-2006 12:12:00] <ecn> it learns about that in 20 minutes (by default)
[09-Jun-2006 12:12:05] <creiht> Ahhh
[09-Jun-2006 12:12:10] <creiht> ok
[09-Jun-2006 12:12:22] <ecn> also, if you add a device
[09-Jun-2006 12:12:53] <creiht> So if I change the Snmp cycle is that going to affect the RRD stuff?
[09-Jun-2006 12:19:36] <ecn> yes, in that the data will be collected less frequently
[09-Jun-2006 12:19:54] <ecn> if you decrease it too much RRD will not like the fact that the data is not arriving as fast as it was configured for
[09-Jun-2006 12:20:01] <ecn> and it will show gaps in the data collection
[09-Jun-2006 12:20:03] <ecn> so...
[09-Jun-2006 12:20:20] <ecn> if you were to collect data points every half hour, you might not see any data
[09-Jun-2006 12:20:32] <ecn> until you recreate your RRD files with those values
[09-Jun-2006 12:20:36] <ecn> (also on that page)
[09-Jun-2006 12:20:53] <ecn> but the default is 5 minute collects, so changing it to 5 minutes is just fine
[09-Jun-2006 13:23:12] <edahl> creiht: do you want to do a phone call to talk about zenoss?
[09-Jun-2006 15:20:23] <creiht> edahl: Yes... sorry been at a long lunch
[09-Jun-2006 15:20:31] <creiht> edahl: What is your email address?
[09-Jun-2006 15:21:01] <edahl> edahl@zenoss.com
[09-Jun-2006 15:24:30] <creiht> edahl: ok... I just sent you an email
[09-Jun-2006 15:24:39] <edahl> k
[09-Jun-2006 15:25:17] <edahl> is it better to talk Monday?
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[09-Jun-2006 15:37:25] <creiht> Today is good
[09-Jun-2006 15:37:30] <edahl> cool
[09-Jun-2006 15:37:32] <creiht> I'll just be at home instead of the office
[09-Jun-2006 15:37:37] <edahl> cool
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[09-Jun-2006 15:38:37] <creiht> edahl: Do you know if there is a way to get Apache info?
[09-Jun-2006 15:40:45] <edahl> like what?
[09-Jun-2006 15:42:04] <creiht> Like being able to monitor the number of connections, etc.
[09-Jun-2006 15:46:35] <creiht> edahl: Well I'm off... I look forward to talking with you this evening
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[09-Jun-2006 15:47:54] <edahl> cool
[09-Jun-2006 15:48:23] <edahl> will call in 30 mins
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[10-Jun-2006 16:22:23] <edahl> rrdtoolmodule_so_LDFLAGS = -module -shared
[10-Jun-2006 16:22:40] <oubiwann> rrdtoolmodule_so_LDFLAGS = -Wl,-framework -Wl,Python -module -dynamiclib
[10-Jun-2006 16:24:35] <oubiwann> PYTHON_INCLUDES = -I/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/python2.4
[10-Jun-2006 16:30:37] <edahl> ifeq ($(shell python -c 'import sys; print sys.platform'),darwin)
[10-Jun-2006 16:30:46] <edahl> GNUMakefile
[10-Jun-2006 16:30:58] <edahl> 187
[10-Jun-2006 16:32:11] <oubiwann> http://www2.adytum.us/adytum-irclogs/%23zenoss%40freenode.log
[10-Jun-2006 16:34:49] <edahl> make PYTHON=/bla
[10-Jun-2006 16:38:34] <edahl> zendm
[10-Jun-2006 16:38:35] <edahl> d
[10-Jun-2006 16:38:48] <edahl> dmd
[10-Jun-2006 16:39:00] <edahl> d=find("device*")
[10-Jun-2006 16:39:03] <edahl> d.os
[10-Jun-2006 16:39:06] <edahl> d.hw
[10-Jun-2006 16:39:14] <edahl> d.os.interfaces()
[10-Jun-2006 16:52:19] <edahl> hyperic
[10-Jun-2006 16:52:49] <edahl> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/06/07/1341228
[10-Jun-2006 16:52:49] <__adytum-bot__> Title: NewsForge | Hyperic Announces Open Source Model for Hyperic HQ (at www.newsforge.com)
[10-Jun-2006 16:58:33] <edahl> sdf
[10-Jun-2006 16:58:50] <edahl> /Users/edahl/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp
[10-Jun-2006 17:28:44] <edahl> http://gate.zentinel.com:8080/zport/dmd/Dashboard
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[12-Jun-2006 08:55:16] <creiht> Good morning
[12-Jun-2006 08:56:44] <creiht> How difficult would it be to set up an HA like config for zenoss?
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[12-Jun-2006 09:42:30] <edahl> we have a setup with veritas cluster server at a client
[12-Jun-2006 09:42:38] <edahl> haven't done this on linux
[12-Jun-2006 09:46:03] <edahl> totally doable though and in the plan for our high end packaged offer
[12-Jun-2006 09:49:03] <creiht> cool
[12-Jun-2006 09:49:07] <creiht> An another note
[12-Jun-2006 09:49:26] <creiht> I just noticed that the server that I set this up on keeps trying to ssh to itself
[12-Jun-2006 09:49:32] <creiht> every minute
[12-Jun-2006 09:49:37] <creiht> And I'm guessing that it is zenoss
[12-Jun-2006 09:49:52] <edahl> hum!
[12-Jun-2006 09:50:10] <edahl> is zenmodeler running that often?
[12-Jun-2006 09:50:35] <creiht> I thought I had turned zenmodler of
[12-Jun-2006 09:50:37] <creiht> err off
[12-Jun-2006 09:50:58] <edahl> that's the only guy doing ssh collection
[12-Jun-2006 09:50:59] <creiht> It is not running
[12-Jun-2006 09:51:20] <edahl> don't think its us then
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[12-Jun-2006 13:22:13] <Heebie> Hello. I'm not *REALLY* too lame to read BitchX.doc by the way.. just don't see any point in bothering to change my ircname! I'm a fellow Zenoss user at this point, and I like it!
[12-Jun-2006 13:26:59] <edahl__> cool!
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[12-Jun-2006 13:39:53] <Heebie> So.. are I see other people are having problems with collection events crashing..which ends up showing back as a Traceback in the information coming back into the web client. Any ideas on this?
[12-Jun-2006 13:42:17] <Heebie> I've got Zenoss working..but importing data seems a bit strange. (I think it might have something to do with having radically different snmpd.conf configurations on boxen.. and of course windows just being windows.
[12-Jun-2006 13:43:17] <edahl> is the trace you see during modeling (ie when you click "Collect Configuration" button on manage tab)?
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[12-Jun-2006 13:44:49] <Heebie> Yes, or when adding a new device.
[12-Jun-2006 13:45:21] <edahl> post the trace to the list so I can see it
[12-Jun-2006 13:45:29] <edahl> please
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[12-Jun-2006 13:47:39] <Heebie> Sent.
[12-Jun-2006 13:47:45] <edahl> k
[12-Jun-2006 13:48:22] <Heebie> You've got a nice fast listserver. It's went out & came back to me again within a matter of 2-3 seconds.
[12-Jun-2006 13:49:20] <edahl> your zeo server is down
[12-Jun-2006 13:49:24] <edahl> run zeoctl start
[12-Jun-2006 13:50:27] <Heebie> I wonder how that happened. :/
[12-Jun-2006 13:51:00] <edahl> good to run zenoss status
[12-Jun-2006 13:51:09] <edahl> to see what is actually running
[12-Jun-2006 13:51:51] <Heebie> It says everything is running now.
[12-Jun-2006 13:51:57] <edahl> coo
[12-Jun-2006 13:51:59] <edahl> l
[12-Jun-2006 13:52:21] <Heebie> and this import seems to be working right (I just went to MANAGE on the device and told it to re-read the configuration.)
[12-Jun-2006 13:52:36] <edahl> good
[12-Jun-2006 13:53:12] <Heebie> I think I'm going to be requisitioning a much faster machine for it, however! Scripted languages on database engines actually need memory and CPU time.
[12-Jun-2006 13:53:23] <Heebie> (BTW..that has NOTHING to do with your program!)
[12-Jun-2006 13:53:42] <edahl> how many devices are you managing?
[12-Jun-2006 13:54:01] <Heebie> Well.. right now it's a pilot thing.. but ideally we'll probably have close to 100·
[12-Jun-2006 13:54:27] <edahl> you should be able to do 100 with a fairly low power box
[12-Jun-2006 13:54:40] <Heebie> It's just on a 128M 500Mhz PIII right now..and that's not enough horsepower to run a decent e-mail client nowadays!
[12-Jun-2006 13:54:52] <edahl> no more would be better
[12-Jun-2006 13:54:57] <edahl>
[12-Jun-2006 13:55:14] <Heebie> It seems to have stalled on an error of "<hostname> is not found in active client list"
[12-Jun-2006 13:56:42] <Heebie> Hey.. one thing that would be helpful would be the ability to create a "link" from one device to another..such as a switch.. so you can see where things are plugged in even on unmanaged devices.
[12-Jun-2006 13:59:03] <Heebie> oh.. and a spot to add services that are on a box. Some services don't show up in the SNMP information (such as VNC on a Windows box, or SMTP on an MDaemon box)
[12-Jun-2006 14:11:33] <edahl> we are adding tcp port scan for services
[12-Jun-2006 14:11:55] <edahl> "link" thing is there for layer 3
[12-Jun-2006 14:12:02] <edahl> road map for layer 2
[12-Jun-2006 14:12:11] <edahl> ie what switch am I in
[12-Jun-2006 14:12:43] <Heebie> Are those being added? I don't recall seeing them anywyere.
[12-Jun-2006 14:13:17] <edahl> route tables show layer 3 map (not very easy to see though)
[12-Jun-2006 14:14:46] <Heebie> Yes, as long as you have IP addresses assigned to the ports. I'd like to see the layer 2 stuff as well, along with what port on the switch, and patch-panels would be nice too.
[12-Jun-2006 14:16:37] <Heebie> Here's one thing I'm slightly confused about.. will starting Zenoss via the script start all it's internal daemons? I had to start 2 of them manually during the install.
[12-Jun-2006 14:17:13] <ecn> "zenoss start" will start them all
[12-Jun-2006 14:18:41] <Heebie> Good to know. It's amazing how much information Zenoss puts at your fingertips
[12-Jun-2006 14:18:58] <Heebie> of course.. I want MORE MORE MORE!!!!
[12-Jun-2006 14:31:54] <edahl> always adding more!
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[13-Jun-2006 14:17:33] <creiht> So I get all excited to see a link called DataCollectorPlugin on the wiki
[13-Jun-2006 14:17:50] <creiht> But then I click on it and realize that I have to wait a bit longer
[13-Jun-2006 14:27:41] <oubiwann> creiht : heh
[13-Jun-2006 14:27:45] <oubiwann> that's my fault :-)
[13-Jun-2006 14:28:09] <oubiwann> I'm writing one right now, but there should be some more info up there in a week or two, once it's finished
[13-Jun-2006 14:30:44] <creiht> No biggie
[13-Jun-2006 14:30:52] <creiht> I'm looking forward to it
[13-Jun-2006 14:30:58] <oubiwann> but I'm glad you were excited :-)
[13-Jun-2006 14:31:57] <edahl> also have amodlin working on making the AdminGuide better
[13-Jun-2006 14:32:09] <oubiwann> yeah, just saw the email -- that's awesome
[13-Jun-2006 14:33:29] <edahl> That was to Andy Oram @ O'Rielly who is helping us as well
[13-Jun-2006 14:33:47] <oubiwann> verrrry sweet
[13-Jun-2006 14:34:00] <edahl> he is looking for new ways they can be involved in OSS docs.
[13-Jun-2006 14:40:39] <oubiwann> edahl : when I get some $ coming in, I'm going to invest in a 17" MacBook and put my powerbook out to stud
[13-Jun-2006 14:40:52] <edahl> sounds good!
[13-Jun-2006 14:41:04] <oubiwann> edahl : then I can dual boot ubuntu and have many more dev options that the ones I'm currently limited too :-(
[13-Jun-2006 14:41:22] <oubiwann> I can't tell you how bummed I am about the rrdtool (non-)builds
[13-Jun-2006 14:41:40] <edahl> no need to dual boot parallels is really fast
[13-Jun-2006 14:41:49] <oubiwann> really...
[13-Jun-2006 14:41:56] <oubiwann> that's freakin amazing
[13-Jun-2006 14:42:11] <edahl> yep
[13-Jun-2006 14:42:20] <oubiwann> does it still use the broadcom wireless cards?
[13-Jun-2006 14:44:16] <edahl> no clue
[13-Jun-2006 14:44:27] <edahl> I haven't tried linux on it yet
[13-Jun-2006 14:44:32] <edahl> just winblows
[13-Jun-2006 14:44:52] <oubiwann> I can't get wireless on ubuntu now because of the broadcom hardware (no drivers)
[13-Jun-2006 14:44:53] <oubiwann> heh
[13-Jun-2006 14:45:18] <oubiwann> oh, sweet:
[13-Jun-2006 14:45:28] <oubiwann> http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/macbook.xhtml
[13-Jun-2006 14:45:28] <__adytum-bot__> Title: Ubuntu Dapper on the Apple Macbook (at desrt.mcmaster.ca)
[13-Jun-2006 14:47:27] <edahl> cool
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[13-Jun-2006 15:58:44] <creiht> edahl: A small problem I ran into... I tried changing the data collection from 1 minute to 5 minutes and it stopped collecting data (no data in graphs) until I changed it back to 1 minute
[13-Jun-2006 16:02:15] <edahl> it was collecting but you had nan in graph?
[13-Jun-2006 16:07:34] <edahl> I think you need to make new files when you change polling interval
[13-Jun-2006 16:07:39] <edahl> this is rrd not us
[13-Jun-2006 16:08:02] <edahl> you might also change the default create command
[13-Jun-2006 16:13:19] <edahl> :q
[13-Jun-2006 16:27:01] <creiht> ahhh
[13-Jun-2006 16:27:10] <creiht> makes sense
[13-Jun-2006 16:30:57] <creiht> Ok... so say I want to monitor disk I/O.... where do I find what mib that is?
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[13-Jun-2006 16:46:24] <edahl> what type box?
[13-Jun-2006 16:46:30] <creiht_> Redhat ES3
[13-Jun-2006 16:46:52] <edahl> netsnmp doesn't do too well with disk i/o (last I looked)
[13-Jun-2006 16:46:59] <creiht_> doh
[13-Jun-2006 16:47:11] <creiht_> okay... so for any other type of thing that I would like to monitor
[13-Jun-2006 16:47:30] <creiht_> Where can I look to find out what mib to use?
[13-Jun-2006 16:47:48] <edahl> well you need the mib itself
[13-Jun-2006 16:47:52] <edahl> then snmptranslate
[13-Jun-2006 16:47:59] <edahl> to map names to oids
[13-Jun-2006 16:48:12] <edahl> want to talk on phone?
[13-Jun-2006 16:49:17] <creiht_> Unfortunately I can't at the moment
[13-Jun-2006 16:49:25] <creiht_> I only get a moment here and there
[13-Jun-2006 16:49:32] <creiht_> Asking questions when I get a chance
[13-Jun-2006 16:49:33] <creiht_>
[13-Jun-2006 16:49:36] <edahl> no worries its a big topic
[13-Jun-2006 16:49:39] <creiht_> ahhh
[13-Jun-2006 16:50:32] <edahl> here is a good place to look for mibs
[13-Jun-2006 16:50:44] <edahl> http://www.mibdepot.com/index.shtml
[13-Jun-2006 16:50:44] <__adytum-bot__> Title: mibDepot: Home Page (at www.mibdepot.com)
[13-Jun-2006 16:50:59] <creiht_> ahh
[13-Jun-2006 16:51:04] <creiht_> cool that is a good start for me
[13-Jun-2006 16:51:17] <edahl> that gets you the oid in one place
[13-Jun-2006 16:51:24] <edahl> with name
[13-Jun-2006 16:52:03] <edahl> sometimes you need to write a little collection plugin as well as rrdtemplate
[13-Jun-2006 16:52:28] <edahl> that is something we would need to talk about a bit. its not hard just no docs yet!
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[13-Jun-2006 21:47:02] <edahl> dhopp: is everything working?
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[14-Jun-2006 18:21:22] <creiht> Anyone know if there is a way that I can create a single alerting rule that has more than one email address attached to it?
