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[01-Mar-2007 10:27:34] <b00mer> Hi y'all... I see the recent mail thread regarding the ping only monitoring in the archives... was there a resolution? I want to monitor a device which doesn't have an snmp daemon. Is there a way to do it?
[01-Mar-2007 10:28:32] <creiht> b00mer: Yes
[01-Mar-2007 10:28:46] <creiht> looking...
[01-Mar-2007 10:30:14] <chet> You create a new status monitor and set the ping retries to 0
[01-Mar-2007 10:31:49] <b00mer> chet: do you mean "Ping Tries"
[01-Mar-2007 10:31:50] <b00mer> ?
[01-Mar-2007 10:32:14] <chet> oops, yes.
[01-Mar-2007 10:32:31] <chet> At least that was the solution posted to the list.
[01-Mar-2007 10:32:39] <b00mer> ok... just starting out with zenoss... how do I associate that to a specific device?
[01-Mar-2007 10:32:52] <chet> Go the the Edit tab for a device, status monitor is a drop-down.
[01-Mar-2007 10:34:48] <PerlStalker> Is it possible to create a user which can only see certain devices?
[01-Mar-2007 10:35:30] <chet> no, not yet.
[01-Mar-2007 10:36:01] <PerlStalker> Bummer. Alright, thanks.
[01-Mar-2007 11:02:49] <b00mer> another question... thinking about migrating from Nagios to Zenoss... and in Nagios there is parenting (has some issues, but works ok) of devices... is that in Zenoss? Is that the idea of the zenmodeler? and if I am doing some ping-only monitoring, is it as effective as it will need to be, if not can I add relationships manually?
[01-Mar-2007 11:03:52] <b00mer> btw: Thanks chet... testing out your explanation above.
[01-Mar-2007 11:11:19] <chet> Good question, b00mer. I'm not 100% clear on how the parenting works in Zenoss, but here's my understanding..
[01-Mar-2007 11:12:51] <chet> The zenping process uses the knowledge of your routing tables to build a hierarchy of systems, thus automatically discovering your parent relationships. It can determine if a host is unreachable or down using this data. The other processes like zenstatus or zenperfsnmp can that use this host down data to avoid polling hosts that are down.
[01-Mar-2007 11:13:17] <chet> I've been meaning to run a test of this capability to see how well it really works in the real world, but haven't had the chance yet.
[01-Mar-2007 11:13:47] <b00mer> chet: you work for Zenoss? I see your in MD?
[01-Mar-2007 11:13:49] <chet> You can't currently add relationships manually, but this is slated for the next release.
[01-Mar-2007 11:13:56] <chet> No.. just a user.
[01-Mar-2007 11:14:08] <chet> Oddly enough I work right down the street.
[01-Mar-2007 11:14:36] <b00mer> you using this in a production environment or just testing it out?
[01-Mar-2007 11:14:59] <b00mer> or both
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:00] <chet> Just testing right now.. having it shadow my existing Nagios system.
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:09] <b00mer> thats what I want to do
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:23] <b00mer> I just have a number of devices that are over VPNs and don't have SNMP
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:45] <b00mer> and I hate the tunnel goes down and 50 emails go out scenario
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:55] <b00mer> when one would have sufficed
[01-Mar-2007 11:16:14] <chet> Yeah.. I think you're SOL until the next release then.
[01-Mar-2007 11:16:31] <b00mer> so far... as a nagios guy... how do you like it? impressions?
[01-Mar-2007 11:16:36] <chet> You can manually hack the routes in, but it is anything but straightforward.
[01-Mar-2007 11:17:15] <chet> I love it.. I can't wait to replace Nagios with it. Unfortunately there are still a few things Nagios does better.
[01-Mar-2007 11:17:43] <chet> Sometimes better is just defined as differently.
[01-Mar-2007 11:18:49] <b00mer> yea... there wasn't as much of a learning curve looking at zenoss as I would have imagined... but still I don't even remotely understand the basics yet.
[01-Mar-2007 11:18:50] <creiht> b00mer: I'm using it in production and love it
[01-Mar-2007 11:19:08] <creiht> I used OpenNMS before though and not Nagios
[01-Mar-2007 11:19:25] <b00mer> its funny... it currently tells me when a host comes back online via email, but not when it goes offline
[01-Mar-2007 11:19:28] <chet> b00mer: If you don't already know Python, learn it and Zenoss becomes oodles better.
[01-Mar-2007 11:19:53] <b00mer> yea... php and perl... but its on my list of things to dive in to
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:41] <PerlStalker> I've trying to avoid finding a reason to learn python.
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:48] <PerlStalker> Seem like I can't avoid it any more.
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:49] <b00mer> creiht: I always found OpenNMS to be a bear to get started with... tried twice and both times lost interest
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:54] <chet> heh.. I didn't know a lick until I started using Zenoss.
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:58] <creiht> haha
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:04] <creiht> Yeah... It is a pain to get setup
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:19] <chet> More of a pain to extend.
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:25] <PerlStalker> Indeed.
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:25] <creiht> We lost our monitoring server, and I didn't want to go through setting up ONMS again
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:39] <creiht> That's when I found Zenoss, and haven't looked back
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:42] <PerlStalker> I tried to get opennms to talk to our APs and it was a PITA.
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:03] <creiht> Once you get it working, there are some nice things about it
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:11] <b00mer> so creiht ... you have the issues of parenting licked?
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:34] <creiht> luckily... I don't have to worry about that
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:44] <creiht> I just monitor servers
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:51] <creiht> Not network gear
[01-Mar-2007 11:23:10] <b00mer> I've tried that ping monitor... and so far no pings to the box being monitored
[01-Mar-2007 11:25:02] <chet> There wouldn't even be any if you set the ping tries to 100. The reason it works is that the default zenping process sees that it isn't the monitor for that device, so it doesn't check it. The monitor you created will never run.
[01-Mar-2007 11:26:01] <b00mer> I tried setting it to 0
[01-Mar-2007 11:26:06] <b00mer> now back to 2
[01-Mar-2007 11:26:23] <b00mer> then played with the maximum failures from 1440 to 5
[01-Mar-2007 11:28:14] <creiht> b00mer: Zenoss caches configs, and reloads every 20 minutes
[01-Mar-2007 11:28:26] <creiht> So if you make a change, it might take a while to register
[01-Mar-2007 11:28:30] <creiht> unless you restart zenoss
[01-Mar-2007 11:28:46] <b00mer> yea... its been 20 minutes since I did it... tried at 10:30 EST
[01-Mar-2007 11:29:38] <creiht> b00mer: How did you add the device?
[01-Mar-2007 11:30:11] <b00mer> "Add Device" then set "Discovery Protocol" to none.... and set
[01-Mar-2007 11:30:23] <b00mer> "Status Monitors" to "ping"
[01-Mar-2007 11:30:53] <chet> I thought you didn't want it to ping.
[01-Mar-2007 11:31:11] <creiht> If I recall correctly... all you should have to do is set the "Discovery Protocol" to none
[01-Mar-2007 11:31:18] <creiht> And it should check ping
[01-Mar-2007 11:31:24] <creiht> leave all the rest the default
[01-Mar-2007 11:31:40] <b00mer> ok
[01-Mar-2007 11:32:11] <b00mer> chet: no... all I want it to do is ping... for devices where there is no snmp or don't have access to snmp community
[01-Mar-2007 11:32:36] <chet> ok, then I gave you bad instructions. That is the default behavior. You can delete that "ping" status monitor and just let it use localhost.
[01-Mar-2007 11:35:00] <b00mer> no worries... go its set back to the localhost... what was weird when playing with it yesterday... was that it wouldn't alert when the host disappeared... but would alert when it came back online.
[01-Mar-2007 11:35:37] <chet> Was event state set to New in your alerting rule?
[01-Mar-2007 11:35:53] <b00mer> Iyes
[01-Mar-2007 11:36:48] <chet> I seem to remember a bug like this in a recent version. Which version are you running?
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:00] <b00mer> I am also running from vmware
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:03] <b00mer> so it could be old
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:15] <b00mer> started typing as you said that
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:43] <chet> Are the events created properly? IP down, then IP up?
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:54] <chet> You can check the history for the device to see.
[01-Mar-2007 11:39:40] <b00mer> I restarted the zenmodeler process and the web interface stopped responding... rebooting and I'll look
[01-Mar-2007 11:46:45] <b00mer> ok... its pinging
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[01-Mar-2007 11:48:25] <creiht> b00mer: wohoo
[01-Mar-2007 11:48:37] <creiht> oubiwann: How are the sprints going?
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:04] <oubiwann> creiht: pretty well... I'm actually packed up and waiting in the lobby, so I'm done now
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:10] <creiht> ahhh
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:15] <oubiwann> but I'll actually be continuing them when I get back to Colorado :-)
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:16] <creiht> Well safe travels then
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:20] <creiht> cool
[01-Mar-2007 11:56:15] <b00mer> ok... so I am back where I was... I brought down the interface to a system... it says its down... /Status/Ping 192.168.1.101 ip 192.168.1.101 is down
[01-Mar-2007 11:56:18] <b00mer> count is 6
[01-Mar-2007 11:56:21] <b00mer> but no email
[01-Mar-2007 11:56:37] <creiht> b00mer: That is odd... what version are you using?
[01-Mar-2007 11:57:02] <b00mer> aparently 1.1.1
[01-Mar-2007 11:58:28] <creiht> b00mer: Go to the $ZENOSS/logs dir
[01-Mar-2007 11:58:29] <b00mer> under alerting rules for my user... delay 0 enabled true action email.. production, error, new
[01-Mar-2007 11:58:32] <b00mer> ok
[01-Mar-2007 11:58:49] <creiht> And check the actions.log (I think that is what it is called) for any errors
[01-Mar-2007 11:59:22] <creiht> oh zenactions.log
[01-Mar-2007 11:59:51] <b00mer> doh
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:04] <b00mer> yea... I get the irc idiot of the day award
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:10] <creiht> haha
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:15] <b00mer> SPAM filtered... whereas the up message isn't
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:24] <creiht> Interesting
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:43] <chet> Most of my coworkers call it spam anyway.. so maybe appropriate.
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:46] <b00mer> good thing our spam filtering is consistent ...
[01-Mar-2007 12:01:06] <chet> SpamAngel (tm): You only get the good news.
[01-Mar-2007 12:03:14] <b00mer> ok... we'll now that I am passed this hurdle... getting closer to full size scale test... but that parenting will become an issue... but since it never really worked that well in nagios... it might not be that big an issue
[01-Mar-2007 12:04:31] <creiht> b00mer: I would send an email to the mailing list
[01-Mar-2007 12:04:42] <creiht> The devs are always fairly responsive
[01-Mar-2007 12:08:47] <chet> There are already a few tickets out there regarding the parenting. The one that looks like it's going to receive immediate attention is the one that will let you specify routes manually to build a correct pingtree and discover the dependencies.
[01-Mar-2007 12:08:52] <chet> I'd expect to see it in 1.2
[01-Mar-2007 12:10:18] <PerlStalker> I wonder how that would work with dynamic routes.
[01-Mar-2007 12:11:35] <chet> It depends what you mean by dynamic routes. Normally it discovers all routes regardless of metric, so it would know if any of them are a valid path.
[01-Mar-2007 12:12:03] <PerlStalker> Routes learned via OSPF
[01-Mar-2007 12:12:11] <chet> yes, it discovers those.
[01-Mar-2007 12:12:15] <PerlStalker> Shiny
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[01-Mar-2007 12:17:18] <creiht> b00mer: The zenoss team has been very receptive to user input. The more users that request certain features usually means the greater likelyhood that the feature will show up sooner
[01-Mar-2007 12:19:21] <b00mer> ok... I'll try and come up with a concise set of requirements I would like to see it handle
[01-Mar-2007 12:36:25] <b00mer> If you want to monitor windows servers... do you have install zenwin if you want to use WMI?
[01-Mar-2007 12:37:53] <chet> yes
[01-Mar-2007 12:38:04] <b00mer> thx
[01-Mar-2007 12:38:22] <chet> The Linux WMI clients are still quite buggy.
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[01-Mar-2007 18:29:05] <PerlStalker> How does one go about debugging DataCollector plugins?
[01-Mar-2007 18:40:38] <b00mer> bug: Changing the name of a device with a quote, a.k.a "b00mer's bitch box", causes all havoc.
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[01-Mar-2007 23:10:23] <Snake-Eyes> I assume theres a way to copy/clone a machine or make template ? eg I create graphs and data points for machine that I ssh into (not snmp), can I copy that another device to dont have to copy everything across manual
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[02-Mar-2007 10:22:32] <_chris_> Snake-Eyes: what you should do is set up a new performance template, and then set your first device to use that performance template. then when you add additional devices you can have them use the same performance template.
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[02-Mar-2007 14:09:29] <Feyr> hey guys. any reason the clock on the vmware appliance would just stop? that causes a problem with zenoss stopping the collection of its data
[02-Mar-2007 14:18:52] <PerlStalker> vmware went stupid?
[02-Mar-2007 14:21:33] <chet> vmware clock problems are always a pain, especially on SMP systems.
[02-Mar-2007 14:22:36] <chet> Your best bet is to set clock=pit in your grub.conf and set vmware-tools to sync the clock.
[02-Mar-2007 14:22:43] <Feyr> yeah i just found that. thanks
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[02-Mar-2007 14:26:01] <mangopudd> howdy. i need some assistance on setting up http monitor
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[02-Mar-2007 16:26:42] <chet> PerlStalker: Were you asking about the scalability of Zenoss the other day?
[02-Mar-2007 16:28:10] <PerlStalker> I was.
[02-Mar-2007 16:28:54] <chet> After some closer examination I think my numbers were a bit off.
[02-Mar-2007 16:32:27] <PerlStalker> Ok.
[02-Mar-2007 16:32:32] <chet> I have an old dual 550Mhz Dell 4350 that can actually get 35k data sources in 5 minutes.
[02-Mar-2007 16:32:44] <PerlStalker> Not bad.
[02-Mar-2007 16:32:50] <chet> A new Dell 2850 with dual 3Ghz processors can get nearly 70k.
[02-Mar-2007 16:33:03] <PerlStalker> That should work.
[02-Mar-2007 16:33:19] <monrad> 70K rrd files?
[02-Mar-2007 16:33:22] <chet> yeah
[02-Mar-2007 16:33:27] <PerlStalker> Now I just need to get my new DataCollector plugin working
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:07] <monrad> hmm i cant seem to get there on my server
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:26] <monrad> also dual 3ghz
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:29] <chet> monrad: that is with an average of 62 data sources per device.
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:39] <chet> on a US-wide network.
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:55] <monrad> i am collection more than 62 per device
[02-Mar-2007 16:35:15] <chet> Theoretically that would help performance..
[02-Mar-2007 16:35:37] <chet> Especially if you were using SNMPv2c..
[02-Mar-2007 16:37:24] <chet> ah.. maybe here's the catch.
[02-Mar-2007 16:37:34] <chet> My numbers are assuming you have your ZODB and MySQL databases on another server.
[02-Mar-2007 16:37:54] <monrad> ah
[02-Mar-2007 16:38:07] <chet> I do all my collection from remote monitors to keep my web interface as snappy as possible.
[02-Mar-2007 16:38:19] <monrad> well i have the rrd files on a SAN so i am offloading my IO
[02-Mar-2007 16:41:03] <chet> How are you connecting to the SAN/
[02-Mar-2007 16:41:30] <monrad> a qlogic fiber card
[02-Mar-2007 16:46:21] <monrad> i hope tobis RRDaccelerator is going to work
[02-Mar-2007 16:46:52] <monrad> i am looking forward to seeing his tutorial on rrd tomorrow
[02-Mar-2007 16:47:41] <chet> It's about time he did something like that. =}
[02-Mar-2007 16:48:00] <chet> Unfortunately I don't see how that would help Zenoss at all.
[02-Mar-2007 16:48:08] <chet> Considering that it only puts one archive in each file.
[02-Mar-2007 16:48:45] <monrad> well according to his wiki page thats whats its for
[02-Mar-2007 16:49:39] <monrad> http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool-trac/wiki/RRDaccelerator
[02-Mar-2007 16:49:39] <adytum-bot> Title: RRDaccelerator - RRDtool Trac - Trac (at oss.oetiker.ch)
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[03-Mar-2007 00:57:20] <oiaohm> Hi all
[03-Mar-2007 00:57:43] <oiaohm> Anyone know if zenoss can mointer file alterations on windows in real time.
[03-Mar-2007 01:16:42] <oiaohm> Ok is anyone home in here
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[04-Mar-2007 00:42:01] <calvinhp> I just downloaded the latest zenoss via svn so I could try it out on my mac
[04-Mar-2007 00:42:51] <calvinhp> the zope and most daemons start up except for a few like the perfsnmp monitor
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:03] <calvinhp> it errors out trying to setuid itself
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:09] <calvinhp> same for a couple others
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:18] <calvinhp> I installed it as my user
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:22] <calvinhp> and it runs fine that way
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:31] <calvinhp> I tried running it as root, but got the same error
[04-Mar-2007 00:46:01] <calvinhp> ok, my bad
[04-Mar-2007 00:46:09] <calvinhp> it has to be run as the uid zenoss
[04-Mar-2007 00:46:12] <calvinhp> sorry for the noise
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[04-Mar-2007 10:07:32] <TypMic1004> Anyone have or know of howtos for integrating MRTD or RDDTool to zenoss?
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[04-Mar-2007 21:36:19] <Snake-Eyes> any know what the trick is to get a device to use a new performance template ?
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[05-Mar-2007 09:05:48] <TypMic1004> anyone integrate MRTG or wireshark to Zenoss and willing to share how they did it?
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[05-Mar-2007 10:15:38] <rhester> Anyone awake?
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[05-Mar-2007 10:19:28] <e\ectro_> anyone around this morning?
[05-Mar-2007 10:19:47] <e\ectro_> was wonder if someone could say the differences between Nagios and Zenoss
[05-Mar-2007 10:20:09] <rhester> Zenoss essentially sits atop a Nagios structure. It's a superset of the functionality.
[05-Mar-2007 10:20:53] <PerlStalker> And it's prettier :-)
[05-Mar-2007 10:21:24] <rhester> Anyone have experience with Zenoss memory thresholds for Linux?
[05-Mar-2007 10:21:26] <PerlStalker> Because, of course, looks mean everything
[05-Mar-2007 10:21:37] <creiht> rhester: Zenoss is able to run nagios plugins, but is not built off of nagios itself
[05-Mar-2007 10:22:13] <creiht> e\ectro_: But I would bet that you will find it better all the way around
[05-Mar-2007 10:22:15] <rhester> creiht: I know - but from a user perspective, the "under-the-hood" stuff may not be Nagios, but it's a "Nagios-alike". =) I wasn't getting down to the implementation level.
[05-Mar-2007 10:22:23] <creiht> hehe
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:01] <creiht> Well the only problem with that is that if people think that if it sits atop of Nagios that it will have the same inherit problems as nagios
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:23] <rhester> Fair enough. OK, Zenoss has its own set of unique and hairy problems. *laughs*
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:31] <creiht> heh
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:51] <creiht> I would call them more fuzzy than hairy
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:56] <creiht>
[05-Mar-2007 10:24:17] <PerlStalker> Just watch out for the snake
[05-Mar-2007 10:24:21] <rhester> I'm still trying to figure out how to pull its head out of its ass w.r.t. memory tracking - for thresholds, I _need_ the ability for Zenoss to consider Linux free memory to be real + cached + buffers, NOT just real.
[05-Mar-2007 10:24:38] <rhester> The data's all there already...I don't want to write a plugin just to deliver data Zenoss already has :/
[05-Mar-2007 10:25:16] <creiht> PerlStalker: I'm a snake charmer
[05-Mar-2007 10:25:51] <creiht> rhester: Is there an MIB that exposes that data, or does it have to be added together after collection?
[05-Mar-2007 10:26:01] <PerlStalker> I have, thus far, avoided any reason to play with python.
[05-Mar-2007 10:26:06] <rhester> creiht: The latter - three MIBs
[05-Mar-2007 10:26:11] * PerlStalker curses zenoss for making him learn python
[05-Mar-2007 10:26:48] <creiht> PerlStalker will soon be know as SnakeCharmer
[05-Mar-2007 10:27:02] <PerlStalker> heh
[05-Mar-2007 10:27:34] <creiht> But lets not turn this into a Perl vs. Python religions rant
[05-Mar-2007 10:27:56] <creiht> rhester: Have you tried sending an email to the mailing list about it?
[05-Mar-2007 10:28:04] <PerlStalker> My dislike for python is only due to the enforced white space.
[05-Mar-2007 10:28:20] <PerlStalker> I seems like a decent enough language otherwise.
[05-Mar-2007 10:28:33] <PerlStalker> I also code PHP, so I try to avoid the holy wars.
[05-Mar-2007 10:30:21] <rhester> creiht: I haven't, only because of my strong dislike for mailing lists...they are so antiquated it's scary. I've actively considered hosting a forum for Zenoss on their behalf.
[05-Mar-2007 10:30:55] <rhester> It's staggering to me I'm the first with this problem, given memory threshold monitoring is a very common thing and Linux is a very common server OS, but I've searched the entire mailing list archive and nada. :/
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:09] <creiht> rhester: check out community.zenoss.org
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:22] <creiht> They arlready have a forum set up that mirrors the mailing list
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:39] <rhester> Hahaha - I see that
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:42] <rhester> Cool
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:43] <rhester> THanks
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:53] <creiht> rhester: Is there a nagios plugin that does it currently?
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[05-Mar-2007 10:33:41] <creiht> rhester: And the only reason that I ask about posting is that the devs are usually fairly responsive to questions there
[05-Mar-2007 10:33:52] <rhester> creiht: Not to my knowledge. That's sort of my point though - handling this via plugin seems asinine when the data is already in Zenoss now. We just need a way to specify thresholds via formulae.
[05-Mar-2007 10:33:59] <rhester> Going to register and post on the forum.
[05-Mar-2007 10:34:46] <creiht> rhester: I agree totally Was just trying to think of any possible work arounds
[05-Mar-2007 10:35:26] <rhester> I could just write a simple plugin to do the math on each server and send it up that way...but I refuse based on esoteric grounds. =)
[05-Mar-2007 10:35:45] <rhester> It's just impossible for me to imagine that there isn't a single Zenoss user monitoring Linux server memory =)
[05-Mar-2007 10:36:00] <creiht> Well we do... but not that closely
[05-Mar-2007 10:36:21] <creiht> Memory usually isn't an issue for us
[05-Mar-2007 10:36:30] <creiht> so we don't have to threshold it
[05-Mar-2007 10:36:43] <rhester> Who wouldn't want to alert on a low-memory condition, though? It's fatal to performance if not the server itself...it's more important than CPU thresholding, IMHO
[05-Mar-2007 10:37:25] <creiht> Well... When you have servers with 8GB of memory... it usually isn't a problem
[05-Mar-2007 10:37:52] <creiht> But you are right
[05-Mar-2007 10:38:16] <creiht> I had looked at setting thresholds for stuff, I came to the same thing that you did
[05-Mar-2007 10:38:41] <creiht> But since it wasn't a major problem for us, it is way down on my list of wants for zenoss
[05-Mar-2007 10:39:37] * b52lap think that server with 8GB of memory could be perfect for command and conquer :d
[05-Mar-2007 10:39:59] <rhester> I have servers with 32GB of memory and it's still critical - we actually run a business here *laughs*
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:05] <rhester> I work for a stock exchange
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:14] <creiht> haha
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:25] <creiht> I use it to monitor our production servers
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:30] <creiht> For our internal apps
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:53] <PerlStalker> Out here, a stock exchange is where they sell cattle :-)
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:54] <rhester> When one of our developers has an "oops!" memory leak, we only tend to find out about it once the server has crashed, hence the desire to pre-empt that
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[05-Mar-2007 10:42:37] <creiht> rhester: All of that to say... What you are suggestion would be very usefull, and I would not complain if it got added
[05-Mar-2007 10:43:19] <rhester> Sadly, I won't be the one to do it - me no speakee Python =)
[05-Mar-2007 10:44:11] <creiht> rhester: The one thing that I have found is that the devs have been fairly responsive to request. If something makes sense, they seem to add it to the pipeline
[05-Mar-2007 10:44:33] <creiht> I can't guarantee that... just an observation
[05-Mar-2007 10:45:59] <rhester>
[05-Mar-2007 10:48:17] <creiht> rhester: hmmm... I was just looking at the threshold UI, and I almost bet you can set a threshold based on more than one data source
[05-Mar-2007 10:49:29] <creiht> Unfortunately I don't know enough about how it works to know how to do it
[05-Mar-2007 10:49:31] <PerlStalker> I can see a pretty stacked chart with the memory pieces with the threshold based on ... something
[05-Mar-2007 10:49:52] <rhester> creiht: I've tried, and you can - independently. There's no way to indicate you want to sum them.
[05-Mar-2007 10:50:38] <creiht> hmm... true
[05-Mar-2007 10:51:01] <creiht> Well... I'll leave it to the devs on the forum before I stick my foot in my mouth
[05-Mar-2007 11:06:45] <chet> It seems like there should be an additional CDEF "Source Type" for data sources.
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[05-Mar-2007 12:10:55] <monrad> anyone having problems with the deviceloader example in the wiki?
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[05-Mar-2007 12:46:06] <e\ectro_> PerlStalker: I'm with ya on the Perl, so much easier for me to code / read
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[05-Mar-2007 15:18:30] <DiggyJr> hello all. i've struggled a bit with zenoss. i seem to have it installed ok. i can reach the admin console fine.
[05-Mar-2007 15:18:51] <DiggyJr> seems now like i can't get zendisc to work.
[05-Mar-2007 15:20:32] <DiggyJr> when i try to start it, I get "sudo: /bin/python: command not found". huh. is this a permission issue (pthon is at /opt/zenoss/bin/pyhton)?
[05-Mar-2007 15:20:54] <chet> How are you starting it?
[05-Mar-2007 15:20:55] <DiggyJr> yeesh on the spelling :-)
[05-Mar-2007 15:21:26] <DiggyJr> starting it with "./zendisc start"
[05-Mar-2007 15:21:42] <chet> While running as the zenoss user?
[05-Mar-2007 15:21:50] <DiggyJr> no
[05-Mar-2007 15:21:57] <chet> Try that.. "sudo su - zenoss"
[05-Mar-2007 15:22:02] <chet> Then just "zendisc start"
[05-Mar-2007 15:22:22] <DiggyJr> that might account for it (he said sheepishly). i'll try it.
[05-Mar-2007 15:22:26] <chet> There are a lot of user specific environment variables that the zenoss scripts rely on.
[05-Mar-2007 15:23:58] <DiggyJr> ah.
[05-Mar-2007 15:24:20] <DiggyJr> well, of course, it's now working via user zenoss
[05-Mar-2007 15:24:44] <chet> You live and you learn.. it's a common mistake.
[05-Mar-2007 15:26:25] <DiggyJr> true. and, at times, i also tend to leap before i look. the solution can be right under my nose if i'd be just a bit more patient.
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[05-Mar-2007 15:37:54] <DiggyJr> during discovery, i get "INFO:zen.ZenDisc:ip '192.168.100.25' on device 'HP4200_1.headquarters.firstbhph.com' skipping". same for other printers and networking devices (routers, switches). why?
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[05-Mar-2007 15:51:13] <_chris_> hey oubiwann
[05-Mar-2007 15:51:24] <oubiwann> _chris_: hey man
[05-Mar-2007 15:51:54] <_chris_> hows it goin?
[05-Mar-2007 15:52:06] <oubiwann> pretty good
[05-Mar-2007 15:52:17] <oubiwann> getting back into the swing
[05-Mar-2007 15:52:26] <_chris_> swing and a miss! ;-)
[05-Mar-2007 15:52:59] <oubiwann> hehe
[05-Mar-2007 15:53:21] <oubiwann> it was almost a miss today... comcast decided to shit itself today
[05-Mar-2007 15:53:41] <oubiwann> I had no internets for the first half of the day
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[05-Mar-2007 16:05:18] <monrad> Type: TypeError
[05-Mar-2007 16:05:18] <monrad> Value: list objects are unhashable
[05-Mar-2007 16:05:23] <monrad> anyone seen that?
[05-Mar-2007 16:05:36] <monrad> its a class i cant do anything with
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[05-Mar-2007 18:54:47] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, you're still awake, thanks for pointer on friday about templates. I made one but I'm not getting this meta tag business, how do you get the template used by new devices ?
[05-Mar-2007 18:56:19] <Snake-Eyes> I made class called /Devices/Server/Linux/Debian/ssh and the template called ssh
[05-Mar-2007 18:56:42] <_chris_> ok
[05-Mar-2007 18:58:20] <Snake-Eyes> it keeps using template Device in class /Devices/Server
[05-Mar-2007 19:01:39] <_chris_> go to the Manage tab for the device you want to change to use the /Devices/Server/Linux/Debian/ssh configuration
[05-Mar-2007 19:01:53] <_chris_> then change the Device Class Path, and click Change. that should do the trick
[05-Mar-2007 19:02:49] <creiht> haha
[05-Mar-2007 19:02:52] <creiht> doh
[05-Mar-2007 19:02:56] <creiht> wrong window
[05-Mar-2007 19:03:08] <_chris_>
[05-Mar-2007 19:06:01] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, tried that before, and tried it again now. changing Device Class Path didnt stopit from using /Devices/Server (Device) template
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:10] <Snake-Eyes> RRDTemplate @ /Devices/Server
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:10] <_chris_> that's not right
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:12] <_chris_> if you're looking at a device, and you click on Manage
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:13] <Snake-Eyes> yea
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:20] <_chris_> and then you change the Device Class Path to something else
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:24] <_chris_> and then you go back to PerfConf
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:32] <_chris_> you should see it say RRDTemplate @ /Whatever/You/Chose
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:45] <_chris_> there isn't a "Remove Local" button next to that RRDTemplate text is there?
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:56] <_chris_> there should be a "Make Local" but not a "Remove Local"
[05-Mar-2007 19:08:30] <Snake-Eyes> theres make local
[05-Mar-2007 19:08:50] <Snake-Eyes> /Devices /Server /Linux /Debian /ssh /10.0.100.12
[05-Mar-2007 19:08:55] <_chris_> ya -
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:12] <_chris_> i would delete the device
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:13] <_chris_> and re-add it
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:18] <_chris_> you won't lose your performance data
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:21] <_chris_> and you won't lose your events
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:25] <Snake-Eyes> ok
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[05-Mar-2007 19:11:00] <Snake-Eyes> deleted it and made it again under ssh class and its still using device/server
[05-Mar-2007 19:12:09] <_chris_> can you send me some screenshots?
[05-Mar-2007 19:12:11] <_chris_> chris@zenoss.com
[05-Mar-2007 19:12:25] <Snake-Eyes> ok
[05-Mar-2007 19:14:19] <_chris_> i'm heading home for dinner
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[05-Mar-2007 20:13:26] <monrad> well we got a couple of python guys around so zenoss is nice
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[06-Mar-2007 00:07:23] <Snake-Eyes> ok now to rearrange the templates now that I've made sucha mess
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[06-Mar-2007 10:22:24] <ski98033> Hi, Is there any way to change the graphs to keep 1 minute averages instead of 5 minute averages?
[06-Mar-2007 10:25:19] <_chris_> do you want to change ALL your graphs to use 1 minute averages? or do you just want to change a few of them?
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[06-Mar-2007 10:34:26] <ski98033> all or just a few - whatever is easier. I am doing some quick testing and could not figure out where to make the change
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[06-Mar-2007 10:48:21] <chet> ski98033: I believe all you have to do is go to Monitors->YourPerfMonitor->Edit and set the SnmpCycleInterval to 60 seconds.
[06-Mar-2007 10:48:50] <ski98033> ok, I will try that out.
[06-Mar-2007 10:49:06] <chet> You'll then have to stop zenperfsnmp, delete all of the 5 minute RRD files from under perf/Devices and then restart zenperfsnmp
[06-Mar-2007 10:50:11] <ski98033> Thanks,
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[06-Mar-2007 11:27:03] <Feyr> i think that's wrong, you'll just update the 5 minutes average every 1 minute
[06-Mar-2007 11:27:14] <Feyr> you want to change your graph to use the OID for 1 minute average one
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[06-Mar-2007 11:28:06] <Xeonel> hello
[06-Mar-2007 11:28:44] <Xeonel> I've succesfully installed zenoss on ubuntu, but I can't get the ssh monitoring to work... it times out...
[06-Mar-2007 11:28:51] <chet> Feyr: I checked the zenpersnmp.py and RRDUtil.py code. It uses the cycle time as the step when creating the RRD archives.
[06-Mar-2007 11:29:08] <Feyr> yes, but you're still populating it with the 5 minute average data
[06-Mar-2007 11:29:13] <Xeonel> all the settings are made by following the manual... any hints? or at least... where can I look for more info? all I get is a timeout error
[06-Mar-2007 11:29:43] <chet> Feyr: There's no such thing as 5 minute specific data in MIB trees, Feyr.
[06-Mar-2007 11:30:21] <chet> Xeonel: Are you able to ssh from the zenoss account on your monitoring server to the target system?
[06-Mar-2007 11:30:48] <Xeonel> yes I am... that's why I don't understand the error
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:07] <Feyr> i think you better check your MIB again
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:17] <Feyr> 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.5.2
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:25] <Feyr> is the 5min average data, provided by the OS
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:34] <Feyr> you want 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.5.1 for 1min average
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:35] <ski98033> chet, the change to get 1 min readings worked great. thanks
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:54] <chet> Feyr: I don't mean to sound insulting, but I think maybe you misunderstand
[06-Mar-2007 11:32:13] <chet> That OID mentions 5 minutes, but it is of the GAUGE type, so it will be valid no matter how often you poll it.
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[06-Mar-2007 11:32:35] <Feyr> which is exactly my point
[06-Mar-2007 11:32:57] <Feyr> you're updating your rrd 5 times with the same data
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:09] <PerlStalker> Not quite, I think.
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:16] <Feyr> not quite, but not far
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:17] <chet> Feyr: Not true.. the 5 minute average can change every second if it wants.
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:32] <chet> Feyr: It is a rolling average
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:37] <Feyr> i understand that
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:50] <Feyr> the guy wants 1 minute averages, so he's got the wrong OID
[06-Mar-2007 11:34:57] <Feyr> what you're giving him is a 5 minute average, updated every 60 seconds
[06-Mar-2007 11:35:18] <chet> What makes you think ski98033 even cares about CPU? Perhaps he's looking at interface utilization or some other arbitrary OID.
[06-Mar-2007 11:35:45] <Feyr> what makes you think he's not looking at cpu?
[06-Mar-2007 11:35:57] <chet> On top of that, a 5 minute average updated every 60 seconds still has a 5x greater resolution than a 5 minute average updated every 5 minutes.
[06-Mar-2007 11:36:12] <Feyr> sure, but it's not what he asked for
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:13] <chet> He was speaking of the RRD AVERAGE consolidation function, not load average.
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:19] <chet> Of course I'm assuming this..
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:25] <chet> Just like you're assuming the opposite.
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:33] <chet> Let's just agree that I'm right. =}
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:54] <Feyr> lets just agree that we dont have enough data to say who is right or wrong
[06-Mar-2007 11:38:05] <chet> Can we at least place a bet?
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[06-Mar-2007 11:39:25] <Feyr> alright
[06-Mar-2007 11:40:00] <chet> fine
[06-Mar-2007 11:40:15] <Feyr> ski98033, help us out here. what are you graphing with those 1mins averages?
[06-Mar-2007 11:40:35] <chet> Feyr: If you look back he said that my solution worked.
[06-Mar-2007 11:41:12] <Feyr> he must have a really good eye, because i have a hard time differentiating 1min vs 5min numbers just by eyeballing them
[06-Mar-2007 11:41:37] <chet> Ok, now you're just screwing with me. =}
[06-Mar-2007 11:45:01] <Xeonel> chet: http://pastebin.com/894691 for the actual output when trying to collect some data
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[06-Mar-2007 11:47:55] <chet> I'm having trouble loading that, Xeonel.
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:05] <_chris_> i hate how slow pastebin has become.
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:18] <Xeonel> hrm... any pastebin alternative?
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:30] <InAcrash> hello all
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:36] <chet> Hi InAcrash
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:50] <InAcrash> I'm having trouble receiving alerts...
[06-Mar-2007 11:49:09] <InAcrash> I've configured the smtp settings and receive the test just fine.
[06-Mar-2007 11:49:17] <chet> InAcrash: Have you looked in zenactions.log yet?
[06-Mar-2007 11:49:46] <InAcrash> I haven't, where can I find that?
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:08] <chet> in $ZENHOME/log
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:43] <Xeonel> chet: try this one http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4509
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:43] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:43] <Xeonel> should be faster...
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:53] <chet> Xeonel: much
[06-Mar-2007 11:51:42] <chet> Xeonel: Can you see the attempted connections in the logs of the target system?
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:04] <chet> Xeonel: Maybe check tcpdump/wireshark to see if it's really trying to connect over ssh?
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:05] <InAcrash> chet: what am I looking for in the log?
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:15] <Xeonel> yes... I'm getting something
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:34] <Xeonel> I'll try a tcpdump right now...
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:36] <chet> InAcrash: processed # rules and processed # commands
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:40] <chet> InAcrash: What are those #s?
[06-Mar-2007 11:53:00] <InAcrash> i dont know how to access $ZENHOME/log...
[06-Mar-2007 11:53:19] <InAcrash> im logged in as root, but how to get there im lost
[06-Mar-2007 11:53:27] <chet> InAcrash: su - zenoss
[06-Mar-2007 11:53:55] <chet> InAcrash: tail $ZENHOME/log/zenactions.log
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:03] <InAcrash> invalid option
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:22] <_chris_> InAcrash: echo $ZENHOME
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:23] <_chris_> what do you get?
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:24] <Xeonel> well... tcpdump reveals that communication does take place... but I don't have enough info to debug and see why it times out
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:52] <Xeonel> how does zenmodeler call the ssh client?
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:53] <chet> Xeonel: You get a SYN and SYN/ACK?
[06-Mar-2007 11:56:17] <Xeonel> chet: yes... I see the connection is established
[06-Mar-2007 11:56:49] <chet> Xeonel: It actually uses the twisted conch ssh client..
[06-Mar-2007 11:57:19] <chet> Xeonel: Are you using password authentication or public key?
[06-Mar-2007 11:57:31] <InAcrash> chet: 0 proccessed commands, 0 processed rules
[06-Mar-2007 11:57:52] <Xeonel> chet: passwor auth
[06-Mar-2007 11:57:53] <chet> InAcrash: Run "zenactions restart"
[06-Mar-2007 11:58:02] <chet> InAcrash: It's possible that it hasn't loaded your rules yet.
[06-Mar-2007 11:58:15] <chet> InAcrash: Another thing to verify is that your alerting rule has Enabled set to true.
[06-Mar-2007 11:58:25] <Xeonel> chet: even ran zenmodeler by hand... with proper params and the output was the same
[06-Mar-2007 11:59:22] <InAcrash> chet: all are set to true, restarted, and same results for 0 of commands and rules
[06-Mar-2007 11:59:22] <chet> Xeonel: I've never tried the password authentication. Would it be possible for you to try public key to see if it worked?
[06-Mar-2007 12:00:00] <_chris_> chet: SnakeEyes also had problems with the password authentication. the public key auth worked for him.
[06-Mar-2007 12:00:16] <_chris_> in version 1.2 i believe the passphrase enabled public key auth method works.
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[06-Mar-2007 12:00:54] <chet> InAcrash: What version are you running? I think there was a related bug in zenactions recently.
[06-Mar-2007 12:01:03] <chet> InAcrash: You should upgrade to 1.1 if you aren't already there.
[06-Mar-2007 12:01:28] <InAcrash> Zenoss 1.1.1
[06-Mar-2007 12:02:06] <chet> InAcrash: Something is definitely screwy.
[06-Mar-2007 12:02:27] <chet> InAcrash: Stop zenactions, delete all of your alerting rules, create a single simple one then start zenactions.
[06-Mar-2007 12:04:08] <InAcrash> simple one being the defaults?
[06-Mar-2007 12:04:41] <chet> yeah, that'll work.. except it should obviously be enabled.
[06-Mar-2007 12:04:58] <InAcrash> right, will do... one sec
[06-Mar-2007 12:08:53] <InAcrash> worked, thank you much
[06-Mar-2007 12:09:13] <chet> InAcrash: Had you upgraded from a previous version, or was 1.1.1 a fresh install?
[06-Mar-2007 12:11:45] <InAcrash> fresh install
[06-Mar-2007 12:12:00] <chet> strange.
[06-Mar-2007 12:12:29] <InAcrash> yeah, it's working now... so no complaints, ;-) i appreciate your time, thank you
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[06-Mar-2007 12:19:36] <Xeonel> chet: ok... I've configured the public key and checked the config... it works. What should I change in zProperties now?
[06-Mar-2007 12:20:01] <chet> You can delete the password.. everything else is the same.
[06-Mar-2007 12:20:45] <Xeonel> ah... ok
[06-Mar-2007 12:21:27] <chet> Public key authentication should probably be preferred anyway. You can use the command= directive in your authorized_keys file to limit the zenoss user to specific commands.
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[06-Mar-2007 12:25:24] <Xeonel> well... no luck. Same timeout error...
[06-Mar-2007 12:25:48] <Xeonel> is there any way to debugg it? like using ssh -v somehow and see what's wrong?
[06-Mar-2007 12:26:58] <Xeonel> also... there's no entry in auth.log when I try to collect data... but when I use ssh to test the public key setup... the connection is logged to auth.log
[06-Mar-2007 12:27:07] <chet> Not as far as I can tell from looking at the responsible code. You might be able to go about it the opposite way.
[06-Mar-2007 12:27:21] <Xeonel> the opposite way?
[06-Mar-2007 12:27:22] <chet> Shutdown SSHD on the target system and start it up in foreground debug mode..
[06-Mar-2007 12:28:10] <InAcrash> chet: when receiving alerts i have links to event detail, however, how can I change it from targeting to localhost.localdomain:8080
[06-Mar-2007 12:29:15] <chet> InAcrash: Edit $ZENHOME/etc/zenactions.conf
[06-Mar-2007 12:29:47] <chet> InAcrash: zopeurl http://zenoss.your.domain:8080
[06-Mar-2007 12:29:59] <InAcrash> thanks
[06-Mar-2007 12:30:20] <chet> InAcrash: In the same file you can specify the sender address for the emails if need be..
[06-Mar-2007 12:30:30] <chet> InAcrash: fromaddr you@your.domain
[06-Mar-2007 12:30:51] <chet> Of course zenactions needs to be restarted after these changes are made.
[06-Mar-2007 12:32:09] <Xeonel> chet: well I've got something... it seems that zenoss is using a diffrent client... a python client from what I see
[06-Mar-2007 12:38:42] <chet> yeah, that's true.. the conch client that's part of twisted.. http://twistedmatrix.com/projects/conch/
[06-Mar-2007 12:38:42] <adytum-bot> Title: Conch (at twistedmatrix.com)
[06-Mar-2007 12:42:50] <Xeonel> maybe you've got some ideeas... http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4511 : local ssh client vs twisted logged on the remote server
[06-Mar-2007 12:42:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[06-Mar-2007 12:44:17] <chet> Interesting! I'm beginning to think this conch method is new and maybe they used openssh back when I tried it. Let me try a few things..
[06-Mar-2007 12:46:24] <Xeonel> chet: it would help me alot if I knew how exactly does the zenoss server calls this twisted ssh client...
[06-Mar-2007 12:46:49] <chet> check out $ZENHOME/Products/DataCollector/SshClient.py
[06-Mar-2007 12:46:58] <chet> Although it isn't really that helpful.
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[06-Mar-2007 12:51:34] <PerlStalker> Are there any docs for writing DataCollectors?
[06-Mar-2007 12:51:46] <PerlStalker> The page on the wiki only has "In progress"
[06-Mar-2007 12:54:31] <Xeonel> seems to me like a dead end... I can't seem to be making any progress debugging this out...
[06-Mar-2007 12:54:40] <chet> Xeonel: Not a dead end.. I'm working it out.
[06-Mar-2007 12:54:53] <Xeonel> ah... thanks then
[06-Mar-2007 12:58:00] <PerlStalker> Maybe someone can help be troubleshoot this.
[06-Mar-2007 12:58:43] <PerlStalker> I'm trying to use snmpGetTableMaps = GetTableMap(...) like InterfacesMap does.
[06-Mar-2007 12:59:34] <PerlStalker> But ... hang on. It seems the typo monster has been rampaging through my code.
[06-Mar-2007 13:01:27] <PerlStalker> Stupid computers doing what I say and not what I mean.
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[06-Mar-2007 13:06:24] <loflika> Greetings
[06-Mar-2007 13:13:35] <PerlStalker> How are RRDTemplates matched with devices? I thought it was based off of the device class.
[06-Mar-2007 13:13:45] <_chris__> PerlStalker: it is.
[06-Mar-2007 13:15:17] <PerlStalker> The shouldn't a device in a custom class /Device/Network/AP/Trango show (in PerfConf) something like RRDTemplate @ /Device/Network/AP/...
[06-Mar-2007 13:18:38] <_chris__> PerlStalker: it should, unless you have not added or changed of the perfconf at /Network/AP/Trango level. if it's the same as /Network/AP then you'll just see RRDTemplate @/Network/AP
[06-Mar-2007 13:18:50] <PerlStalker> I have changed it there.
[06-Mar-2007 13:19:14] <PerlStalker> I added a custom thing to graph the performance data.
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[06-Mar-2007 13:30:28] <Xeonel> chet: any luck yet?
[06-Mar-2007 13:31:07] <PerlStalker> _chris__: Would that mapping happen right away or does it happen after the performance collection has run?
[06-Mar-2007 13:31:27] <_chris__> the new graph should appear right away
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[06-Mar-2007 13:33:53] <PerlStalker> Perhaps I need to be trying to figure out why the templates are not being applied.
[06-Mar-2007 13:35:27] <PerlStalker> Even if my thing isn't being used, shouldn't /Device/Network be used?
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[06-Mar-2007 13:56:23] <chet> Xeonel: Still around?
[06-Mar-2007 13:59:54] <Xeonel> yep
[06-Mar-2007 13:59:58] <Xeonel> shoot
[06-Mar-2007 14:00:36] <chet> Xeonel: I got this working in my setup after resolving one *shoulda been* obvious mistake.
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:00] <Xeonel> and? what was that obvious mistak?
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:03] <chet> I'm using RSA keys, so I had to change the zKeyPath to ~/.ssh/id_rsa
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:12] <Xeonel> did that... no avail
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:13] <Xeonel>
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:41] <chet> The only difference I see between our setups is that I'm not using OpenSSH's PAM integration.
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:47] <Xeonel> what's the ssh service?
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:52] <Xeonel> err... ssh version
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:56] <chet> OpenSSH4.1p1
[06-Mar-2007 14:02:31] <Xeonel> well... I'm using OpenSSH_4.3p2... but I don't think that's a problem...
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[06-Mar-2007 14:04:14] <Xeonel> ok... I've just disabled pam... I'll give it another shot
[06-Mar-2007 14:04:14] <chet> Try this: zenmodeler run -v 10 -d your.device
[06-Mar-2007 14:04:19] <chet> ok
[06-Mar-2007 14:06:33] <chet> BTW, I looked up that "no match" debug message in the OpenSSH source. All it means that no special compatibility options need to be turned on for that client.
[06-Mar-2007 14:07:05] <chet> It actually returns a 0 to the caller for the "OpenSSH*" pattern and the "no match"
[06-Mar-2007 14:07:13] <chet> So there's no difference at all.
[06-Mar-2007 14:08:07] <Xeonel> ah... I see
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[06-Mar-2007 14:32:48] <Xeonel> that's strange... zenmodeler runs fine... but when I call it from the web frontend... same error
[06-Mar-2007 14:32:51] <Xeonel> I don't get it
[06-Mar-2007 14:41:46] <chet> You launched zope from the same user that you're launching zenmodeler, right?
[06-Mar-2007 14:46:50] <Xeonel> hrm... I'm using the init script provided by the zenoss install process.. but I'll check the processes
[06-Mar-2007 14:47:49] <Xeonel> yes... only zenping, zensyslog and zentrap are started as root
[06-Mar-2007 14:49:20] <chet> That's odd.. maybe SELinux? Are you running it?
[06-Mar-2007 14:49:38] <Xeonel> nope
[06-Mar-2007 14:49:46] <Xeonel> I'll try restarting zenoss
[06-Mar-2007 14:49:59] <Xeonel> because now the timeout is almost instant
[06-Mar-2007 15:03:36] <Xeonel> hrm... python's taking around 70-90% cpu... and I'm running on a dual Xeon 2.4GHz
[06-Mar-2007 15:04:04] <Xeonel> actually... python2.4 is eating that much...
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[06-Mar-2007 15:32:52] <chet> Xeonel: Which one of the python processes is it? Cross reference the PID to ps ax..
[06-Mar-2007 15:33:25] <chet> zenmodeler is known to be very CPU heavy, but by default only runs every 12 hours.
[06-Mar-2007 15:33:36] <chet> It would probably be running since you just restarted the whole batch.
[06-Mar-2007 15:34:10] <chet> If you're worried about the CPU utilization you can limit the number of parallel jobs it runs.
[06-Mar-2007 15:34:21] <Xeonel> well... seems to be zope
[06-Mar-2007 15:35:38] <Xeonel> how can I start with a fresh config? without reinstalling? I thing something got fu%$ed up
[06-Mar-2007 15:37:57] <chet> If you installed from RPM, I'm not sure.
[06-Mar-2007 15:38:09] <chet> If you installed from source/SVN I have an idea.
[06-Mar-2007 15:38:25] <Xeonel> source install
[06-Mar-2007 15:40:17] <chet> stop all the zenoss processes, drop the mysql database, delete everything from $ZENHOME/var
[06-Mar-2007 15:40:28] <chet> Then run the install from the zenossinst directory again.
[06-Mar-2007 15:41:14] <Xeonel> you mean from the source dir... right?
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[06-Mar-2007 16:12:06] <PerlStalker> Oh, this is fun. I can't delete a device.
[06-Mar-2007 16:12:22] <PerlStalker> I get this error: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'deleteDevice'
[06-Mar-2007 16:14:37] <PerlStalker> How do I get this thing out of the database?
[06-Mar-2007 16:16:25] <PerlStalker> Odd. It's gone now. What the heck?
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[06-Mar-2007 16:50:19] <PerlStalker> What's the difference between Products/SnmpCollector/CustomMaps/InterfaceMap.py and Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/InterfaceMap.py?
[06-Mar-2007 17:25:53] <cote> Any chance of getting some help debugging a failed build/install on OS X?
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[06-Mar-2007 17:44:46] <brozow> w00t
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[06-Mar-2007 18:14:15] <kripton1x> exit
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[06-Mar-2007 18:20:35] <_chris__> cote: are you running a macbook or a PPC?
[06-Mar-2007 18:20:49] <_chris__> cote: and what's the error you're getting?
[06-Mar-2007 18:20:58] <cote> _chris__: PPC
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:16] <cote> I get this:
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:18] <cote> gcc -g -O2 -o check_mysql check_mysql-check_mysql.o netutils.o utils.o -L/Users/zenoss/zenoss/zenoss-1.1.1/build/nagios-plugins-1.4.5/plugins ../lib/libnagiosplug.a ../lib/libcoreutils.a -lresolv -L/usr/local/mysql/lib -lmysqlclient -lz -lm -ldl -lssl -lcrypto
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:18] <cote> ld: Undefined symbols:
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:19] <cote> _fprintf$LDBLStub
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:19] <cote> _sprintf$LDBLStub
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:20] <cote> _printf$LDBLStub
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:21] <cote> _vsprintf$LDBLStub
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:23] <cote> make[2]: *** [check_mysql] Error 1
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:25] <cote> make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:32] <cote> (Sorry for the cut-paste blob.)
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:38] <_chris__> this is for the nagios plugins
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:45] <_chris__> are you planning on using them?
[06-Mar-2007 18:22:25] <cote> Sure, but I don't have to. I'm just playing around with it so nagios isn't critical.
[06-Mar-2007 18:22:39] <_chris__> gotcha.
[06-Mar-2007 18:22:40] <_chris__> well
[06-Mar-2007 18:22:57] <_chris__> there's a whole bunch of capability within zenoss that doesn't require the nagios-plugins
[06-Mar-2007 18:23:08] <_chris__> so we could try to fix the nagios-plugins compile problem
[06-Mar-2007 18:23:18] <_chris__> or we could just comment out that line in the GNUmakefile, and move on
[06-Mar-2007 18:23:55] <cote> I'm happy to comment out the line.
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:07] <_chris__> if you're not planning on using them (for now) i'd edit the GNUmakefile, and find the line that says products-install:
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:14] <_chris__> then go to the line that says nagios-install below it
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:16] <_chris__> and delete it
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:17] <cote> I'll imagine the bountiful coolness that nagios would bring
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:22] <_chris__> that'll get you past nagios-plugins
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:23] <cote> OK, I'll try that.
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:31] <cote> Thanks a million, _chris__!
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[06-Mar-2007 18:29:47] <_chris__> no problem cote. i'm heading home for the evening... i'll ttyl
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[07-Mar-2007 10:35:15] <PerlStalker> I just don't get this. Why doesn't zenoss apply my custom RRD template when I set the device class?
[07-Mar-2007 10:36:53] <PerlStalker> Writing a new DataCollector shouldn't be this hard.
[07-Mar-2007 10:38:52] <monrad> PerlStalker: what are your trying to do?
[07-Mar-2007 10:39:33] <PerlStalker> I'm trying to collect SU performance from a Trango AP via SNMP
[07-Mar-2007 10:39:43] <monrad> SU?
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:00] <PerlStalker> SU => Subscriber Unit. The customer's end
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:05] <monrad> ah ok
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:27] <monrad> i have not played around with that part yet
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:38] <monrad> but i look forward to play around with zenpacks
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:43] <PerlStalker> Anyway, Trango set their stuff up so that you have to talk to the AP to get SU data.
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:56] <PerlStalker> I wish I could find complete docs on writing the stupid things.
[07-Mar-2007 10:41:17] <monrad> docs i think is zenoss weakest point right now
[07-Mar-2007 10:41:25] <PerlStalker> No kidding.
[07-Mar-2007 10:41:58] <PerlStalker> I was able to the app setup fairly quickly but this is just nuts.
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[07-Mar-2007 11:37:10] <jp10558> I'm having a problem with getting graphs to show up for my Linux, Windows and VMS machines. Actually, the only machine that pref shows graphs for is localhost. I am using the VMWare appliance with NAT. I can see uptime and other info, but I get errors about bad OID, and no performance graphs show up. Any ideas about how I'd fix the bad OID error?
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[07-Mar-2007 12:26:45] <PerlStalker> Is there anything magical about the interfaces or routes section of the 'os' page?
[07-Mar-2007 12:26:50] <PerlStalker> Can I add other sections to that?
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[07-Mar-2007 13:04:33] <jp10558> How do you add new graphs?
[07-Mar-2007 13:04:52] <jp10558> How do you know what you can monitor for a specific device?
[07-Mar-2007 13:29:48] <PerlStalker> jp10558: If it uses SNMP, you can read the MIB for the device.
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[07-Mar-2007 13:33:52] <jp10558> Where do I get MIBs, say for Linux or Windows?
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[07-Mar-2007 14:14:45] <jp10558> Should anything out of the box do graphs in Zenoss VMWare Appliance except for the system itself?
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[07-Mar-2007 14:18:42] <Zak_P> Can some one help me diagnose an issue with ver1.1.1 and a cisco caztalyst 6505e
[07-Mar-2007 14:18:52] <Zak_P> i am not able to get SNMP data from it with zenoss
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:00] <Zak_P> but i can get data from the command line
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:12] <Zak_P> this works like a champ
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:12] <Zak_P> snmpwalk -c public -v 1 host.foo IF-MIB::ifType
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:26] <Zak_P> but when ever i gather configuration i get a time out
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:56] <Zak_P> client host.foo timeout
[07-Mar-2007 14:20:31] <chet> Is Zenoss also using v1 and the public community?
[07-Mar-2007 14:20:53] <Zak_P> yes i have 8 switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:20:56] <Zak_P> 4 of them work
[07-Mar-2007 14:20:59] <Zak_P> and 4 of them dont
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:12] <Zak_P> 2 of them are edge routers
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:36] <Zak_P> the 4 that work are distribution switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:45] <Zak_P> and the 4 that do not are aggregate switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:46] <chet> Do the management IPs in Zenoss match the IPs you're polling from the command line?
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:51] <Zak_P> yes
[07-Mar-2007 14:22:27] <Zak_P> I also have cacti set up on the same machine (currently not polling) and it can gather data from all 8 switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:22:39] <Zak_P> so i am not sure why zenoss cant
[07-Mar-2007 14:24:02] <chet> It does sound strange. Have you watched in tcpdump/wireshark to see what packets are being sent/received to these systems?
[07-Mar-2007 14:24:20] <Zak_P> no, i have not set up a packet capture yet
[07-Mar-2007 14:24:41] <chet> It might also help to run a "zenmodeler run -v 10 -d your.aggr.switch"
[07-Mar-2007 14:26:14] <chet> If SNMP packets are flying back and forth during the modeling you might want to increase the zSnmpTimeout or lower the zMaxOIDPerRequest.
[07-Mar-2007 14:27:41] <Zak_P> what would be a good number for zMaxOIDPerRequest
[07-Mar-2007 14:27:43] <Zak_P> it is 40 now
[07-Mar-2007 14:28:04] <chet> 40 is normally a good number. I've honestly only heard of problems on older PIX.
[07-Mar-2007 14:28:19] <Zak_P> ok
[07-Mar-2007 14:28:31] <chet> Something as smoking as a 6506 really shouldn't be a problem.
[07-Mar-2007 14:29:40] <Zak_P> heh works perfectly on the 7500 series
[07-Mar-2007 14:29:43] <Zak_P> ;/
[07-Mar-2007 14:31:09] <chet> Cisco stuff usually works very well with Zenoss.. I have hundreds of EOL devices being monitored and haven't run into a snag yet.
[07-Mar-2007 14:31:31] <Zak_P> it works so perfect for the switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:31:35] <Zak_P> just hacing issues on the routers
[07-Mar-2007 14:31:41] <Zak_P> *having
[07-Mar-2007 14:32:14] <chet> v2c works from the command line too, right? If so, you might want to use it in Zenoss.
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[07-Mar-2007 14:32:38] <Zak_P> yeah
[07-Mar-2007 14:32:41] <Zak_P> i can try to change it
[07-Mar-2007 14:34:15] <Zak_P> http://pastebin.ca/385288
[07-Mar-2007 14:34:15] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Miscellany - post number 385288 (at pastebin.ca)
[07-Mar-2007 14:34:15] <Zak_P> this is the debug that i see
[07-Mar-2007 14:35:02] <Zak_P> also a time out on v2c
[07-Mar-2007 14:35:14] <Zak_P> shoiuld i not have posted that link?
[07-Mar-2007 14:38:51] <jp10558> Anyone know why with a SL4 (slightly modified RHEL4) box I'd get OID 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.4.14.0 is bad messages when I specify it is /server/linux/redhat?
[07-Mar-2007 14:39:39] <Zak_P> here is the debug i get when i do a zenperfsnmp
[07-Mar-2007 14:39:48] <Zak_P> http://pastebin.ca/385296
[07-Mar-2007 14:39:48] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Stuff - post number 385296 (at pastebin.ca)
[07-Mar-2007 14:40:39] <Zak_P> LOL it is not working because the device cant be pinged
[07-Mar-2007 14:41:11] <Zak_P> if the device cant be pinged then it looks like zenoss wont poll it
[07-Mar-2007 14:41:19] <Zak_P> the switches are pingable
[07-Mar-2007 14:41:27] <Zak_P> but the routers are not
[07-Mar-2007 14:45:02] <Zak_P> DOH!
[07-Mar-2007 14:45:08] <Zak_P> sorry to waste your time
[07-Mar-2007 14:45:20] <Zak_P> i think that once i allow ICMP it will work
[07-Mar-2007 14:45:36] <chet> No waste.. I didn't realize ICMP reachability was required.
[07-Mar-2007 14:47:27] <Zak_P> it looks to me like it is that is the only difference between them
[07-Mar-2007 14:47:51] <Zak_P> it says it in the debug
[07-Mar-2007 14:47:51] <Zak_P> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:getting device ping issues INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:Unresponsive devices: [['host.foo', 1, 73]] INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:collected 0 of 0 devices in 0.00
[07-Mar-2007 14:48:42] <chet> jp10558: Is that the only bad OID, or are there others too?
[07-Mar-2007 14:49:53] <jp10558> There are others
[07-Mar-2007 14:50:05] <jp10558> basically, I get that error for every device but the virtual host
[07-Mar-2007 14:50:22] <jp10558> I've tried Linux, WindowsXP with informant, VMS, Cisco...
[07-Mar-2007 14:50:38] <jp10558> they all show some data, but all give various bad OID errors
[07-Mar-2007 14:50:47] <jp10558> this is on the VWMare Appliance
[07-Mar-2007 14:52:59] <chet> jp10558: I would guess that the systems you are trying to monitor have restrictions in their snmpd.conf files.
[07-Mar-2007 14:53:17] <chet> jp10558: You should allow the zenoss server full access to the MIB.
[07-Mar-2007 14:54:07] <jp10558> Not clear how I would do this?
[07-Mar-2007 14:54:09] <chet> You could test this by backing up your snmpd.conf file on one of the target systems and creating a new one that has only the line "rocommunity public" in it then restarting the snmpd service.
[07-Mar-2007 14:54:26] <chet> Then go to the manage tab of the device and re-collect its configuration.
[07-Mar-2007 14:54:43] <chet> Move those bad OID events into history and then wait to see if they come back.
[07-Mar-2007 14:55:33] <jp10558> where would the snmpd.conf file be on Windows XP with informant?
[07-Mar-2007 14:56:23] <chet> jp10558: I thought you said this was a SL4 system.
[07-Mar-2007 14:56:37] <jp10558> I tried with several systems
[07-Mar-2007 14:56:56] <jp10558> I can edit configs on Windows systems
[07-Mar-2007 14:56:58] <chet> The OID you mentioned is only applicable to *nix systems.
[07-Mar-2007 14:57:16] <jp10558> right, the point I was making is all of them give similar errors
[07-Mar-2007 14:58:03] <chet> Would you give me an example of one of the errors you're experiencing with the Windows XP system?
[07-Mar-2007 14:58:05] <jp10558> On windows I get errors like 1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.10.0 is bad
[07-Mar-2007 14:59:02] <chet> thanks.
[07-Mar-2007 14:59:15] <chet> Did you restart the SNMP service on that system after installing the Informant extension?
[07-Mar-2007 14:59:47] <jp10558> I don't remember, but I'll restart it now - do I understand that nothing will come from windows hosts without informant?
[07-Mar-2007 15:00:34] <chet> I think that the device will still be modeled, you just won't get any graphs. I highly recommend installing informant.
[07-Mar-2007 15:00:48] <jp10558> right, I'm trying to get graphs
[07-Mar-2007 15:01:17] <jp10558> So, linux would be permissions set in snmpd.conf as the reason I can't see anything on the graphs?
[07-Mar-2007 15:01:47] <chet> I think so. That particular OID is definitely available on SL4 systems.
[07-Mar-2007 15:02:07] <jp10558> Do I need to find MIBs for things?
[07-Mar-2007 15:02:19] <chet> nope
[07-Mar-2007 15:03:14] <jp10558> I've got one question - maybe you know. Is Zenoss something that could replace HP Top Tools? Does it provide any real-time info like TopTools did if requested?
[07-Mar-2007 15:03:14] <chet> The only thing zenoss uses them for is to map snmp traps to their names. They're not necessary in the least, and zenoss comes with most of the common ones pre-installed.
[07-Mar-2007 15:04:30] <chet> I'm not familiar with TopTools. What do you mean by real-time info?
[07-Mar-2007 15:05:17] <jp10558> In TopTools, we could input/select a machine - say PC100 or whatever, and request it tell us the current memory use and CPU use
[07-Mar-2007 15:05:21] <chet> All of the data displayed by zenoss will be delayed anywhere from 0-5 minutes since it only polls every 5 minutes.
[07-Mar-2007 15:06:33] <chet> There is a mechanism in zenoss to run user-specified commands on the target system. You could set one up to run a "top" command on the remote system and show you the results. This would be real-time.
[07-Mar-2007 15:08:45] <jp10558> Zenoss also for some reason IDs WinXP SP2 as Windows 2000 version 5.1
[07-Mar-2007 15:13:17] <chet> Believe it or not, this is what Windows XP reports itself as through SNMP.
[07-Mar-2007 15:13:31] <jp10558> oh
[07-Mar-2007 15:14:02] <jp10558> do you know where snmpd.conf normally is on RH based linuxes?
[07-Mar-2007 15:14:15] <chet> In /etc/snmp
[07-Mar-2007 15:16:14] <jp10558> would a trapcommunity and trapsink be what I should tell Zenoss to connect as?
[07-Mar-2007 15:16:24] <jp10558> otherwise it looks like read access is there for public ...
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[07-Mar-2007 15:27:24] <PerlStalker> Does 1.1 support ZenPacks?
[07-Mar-2007 15:38:30] <PerlStalker> Apparently not since the 'zenpack' tool doesn't exit
[07-Mar-2007 15:43:51] <jp10558> I think it's aimed for 1.2
[07-Mar-2007 15:44:11] <PerlStalker> Ok
[07-Mar-2007 15:44:32] <PerlStalker> I try plan B. :-)
[07-Mar-2007 15:45:13] <Zak_P> chet: enabling ICMP was the solution
[07-Mar-2007 15:45:21] <chet> nice.
[07-Mar-2007 15:45:24] <jp10558> So, I restarted SNMP service on WinXP, I waited some time
[07-Mar-2007 15:45:32] <jp10558> still no graphs... nothing
[07-Mar-2007 15:46:19] <jp10558> Counts for windows error went up to 12, so I guess it got the error again
[07-Mar-2007 15:46:49] <jp10558> chet: any other ideas?
[07-Mar-2007 15:47:53] <jp10558> This wouldn't be a problem with NAT would it?
[07-Mar-2007 15:48:24] <chet> Any problem caused by NAT should create a totally different error.
[07-Mar-2007 15:48:38] <chet> Move those events into history to be sure that you're really still getting new ones.
[07-Mar-2007 15:48:42] <chet> Restart zenperfsnmp
[07-Mar-2007 15:49:46] <chet> I've never monitored a Windows XP system, so I suppose it's possible that they don't have that OID. Can anyone else here comment on that?
[07-Mar-2007 15:50:25] <chet> Is anyone on here monitoring a Windows XP SP2 system with SNMP-Informant installed?
[07-Mar-2007 15:50:35] <jp10558> Ok, so what I got now was:
[07-Mar-2007 15:50:58] <jp10558> 2007-03-07 15:45:42 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error collecting data on __, recollecting
[07-Mar-2007 15:51:15] <jp10558> that was repeated for 4 machines
[07-Mar-2007 15:51:34] <jp10558> only one was Windows
[07-Mar-2007 15:52:28] <jp10558> Then for each, there were several different OID is bad errors, one for each graph there was supposed to be
[07-Mar-2007 15:53:23] <chet> Are you able to poll these OIDs from the command line?
[07-Mar-2007 15:53:53] <jp10558> no idea - how do I do that?
[07-Mar-2007 15:56:22] <chet> snmpget -v1 -c yourcommunity yourhost .theOID
[07-Mar-2007 15:58:09] <jp10558> apparently not - I get an error there too - no such variable name in this MIB
[07-Mar-2007 15:58:29] <jp10558> so I need to find a different MIB then? Or get a different OID?
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[07-Mar-2007 16:20:23] <Rainhead> hi, all
[07-Mar-2007 16:21:13] <Rainhead> on a new install, when I run $ZENHOME/bin/zenping start, I get: ImportError: No module named ZenEvents.ZenEventClasses
[07-Mar-2007 16:21:31] <Rainhead> $PYTHONPATH is set to $ZENHOME/lib/python
[07-Mar-2007 16:32:39] <chet> Rainhead: It sounds like something is wrong with your environment. Are you doing this as the zenoss user?
[07-Mar-2007 16:35:41] <Rainhead> yes
[07-Mar-2007 16:38:25] <Rainhead> also, I had a problem with the install script assuming that python/site-packages would be under $ZENHOME/lib, which was wrong in my case
[07-Mar-2007 16:38:45] <Rainhead> specifically, when it was trying to move rrdtoolmodule.so
[07-Mar-2007 16:39:23] <Rainhead> I removed lib and lib64, remade lib64, and made lib a symlink to lib64, and it worked
[07-Mar-2007 16:40:11] <Rainhead> that is, a new install worked
[07-Mar-2007 16:41:17] <Rainhead> also, as someone complained of before, INSTALL.txt tells you to 'configure the username and password for zenperfsnmp', but I can't find anything that describes the format of that file
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[07-Mar-2007 17:06:41] <Rainhead> output from zenping run, whith a dump of sys.path, is here: http://pastie.caboo.se/45453
[07-Mar-2007 17:06:41] <adytum-bot> Title: #45453 - Pastie (at pastie.caboo.se)
[07-Mar-2007 17:07:36] <Rainhead> I'll probably try zenoss again when it's had some more time to mature
[07-Mar-2007 17:07:52] <Rainhead> and perhaps become more standardized
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[07-Mar-2007 17:38:25] <oubiwann> Rainhead: thanks for the input... passing this on to the rest of the developers now
[07-Mar-2007 17:40:21] <oubiwann> doh. guess he left already
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[07-Mar-2007 18:28:29] <Rainhead> ok, I've tracked down the problem
[07-Mar-2007 18:28:48] <Rainhead> it's looking in lib/python/Products, but the modules it wants are in ~/Products
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[07-Mar-2007 18:35:34] <Rainhead> I ran this and everything's peachy now:
[07-Mar-2007 18:35:55] <Rainhead> cd lib/python/Products; for i in ~/Products/*(/); do ln -s $i; done
[07-Mar-2007 18:36:06] <Rainhead> so's y'all know
[07-Mar-2007 18:36:20] <Rainhead> case'n ye wake up some day
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[07-Mar-2007 19:10:13] <oubiwann> man, I wish Rainhead would quit disappearing... sounds like there's something seriously wrong with his environment or install...
[07-Mar-2007 19:10:35] <oubiwann> what he did can lead to badness
[07-Mar-2007 19:10:49] * oubiwann wanders off to get some food
[07-Mar-2007 19:18:01] <Snake-Eyes> what i would like to know is why ssh login for zenoss fails, its seems zenoss/twisted sends a malformed ssh packet during nego.
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[07-Mar-2007 19:51:06] <Snake-Eyes> does the whole command over ssh work for any one when a password is used and not blank passphrase key
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[08-Mar-2007 09:08:26] <jp10558> I'm trying again to get SNMP Informant on Windows XP SP2 to work with the graphing in Zenoss VMWare Appliance
[08-Mar-2007 09:09:10] <jp10558> It seems like if I put the device into the /Server/Windows where it says requires informant, it should "just work" right?
[08-Mar-2007 09:09:33] <jp10558> I've restarted the SNMP service in windows... but I still don't get any graphs
[08-Mar-2007 09:09:46] <jp10558> Do I need to import some MIBS, and if so - how should I do that in the Appliance?
[08-Mar-2007 09:12:36] <chet> jp10558: I'm loading SNMP on my XP SP2 laptop to see if I can give you a straight answer on this
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[08-Mar-2007 10:55:47] <brozow> *chirp* *chirp*
[08-Mar-2007 10:56:04] <chet> Slow morning, eh brozow?
[08-Mar-2007 10:56:15] <brozow> heh... sure seems that way
[08-Mar-2007 10:58:20] <chet> We must have too many question answerers and not enough question askerers.
[08-Mar-2007 10:58:43] <brozow> yeah could be..though I know some projects use mailing lists over irc...
[08-Mar-2007 10:58:50] <brozow> I'm just better at irc than email
[08-Mar-2007 10:59:11] <chet> True.. I like the instant gratification of irc..
[08-Mar-2007 10:59:18] <brozow> yeah me too
[08-Mar-2007 10:59:26] <brozow> plus you get to know the people better
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:17] <chet> At least mailing lists tend to leave a better record of solutions.
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:25] <brozow> that's definitely true
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:30] <brozow> hard to google irc
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:40] <chet> speaking of which.. the weirdest thing happened to me yesterday.
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:47] <brozow> really?
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:56] <creiht> brozow: !!!!!!
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:00] <creiht>
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:05] <brozow> hey creiht
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:08] <brozow> hows it going?
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:17] <chet> I was having a conversation with someone in this very channel, and about 30 seconds after I typed a specific OID I did a google search for it. It actually showed the IRC log.
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:20] <creiht> hehe... You really don't want to know
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:22] <chet> That's some fast indexing..
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:29] <brozow> whoa! that's scary
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:39] <creiht> brozow: But I might be calling you guys soon
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:40] <brozow> better watch what i say
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:55] <creiht> brozow: So what brings you over here
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:56] <brozow> creiht: we'd love to hear from ya!
[08-Mar-2007 11:02:19] <brozow> just checking it out... I keep hearing about zenoss but don't know much about it
[08-Mar-2007 11:02:31] <creiht> cool
[08-Mar-2007 11:02:44] <brozow> you must be using creiht you're a python guy
[08-Mar-2007 11:02:55] <creiht> haha
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:06] <creiht> I'm using it to monitor our internal production servers
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:11] <brozow> chet: do yo use zenoss?
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:31] <creiht> brozow: I hope you will still be my friend
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:43] <chet> yeah, but it's only mirroring our existing Nagios at the moment.
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:57] <brozow> ok...
[08-Mar-2007 11:04:07] <brozow> yeah creiht I'll still like ya
[08-Mar-2007 11:04:34] <brozow> chet: btw.. where did you see that index?
[08-Mar-2007 11:05:48] <chet> http://www2.adytum.us/adytum-irclogs/%23zenoss@freenode.log
[08-Mar-2007 11:06:56] <brozow> adytum... never heard of that
[08-Mar-2007 11:07:22] <creiht> brozow: It's one of the dev's consulting companies
[08-Mar-2007 11:07:34] <brozow> ah I see
[08-Mar-2007 11:08:04] <brozow> I just looked and they only had zenoss logs that's why I was wondering
[08-Mar-2007 11:09:37] <creiht> hopes there is no incriminating evidence in those logs
[08-Mar-2007 11:09:46] <brozow> hehe
[08-Mar-2007 11:10:36] <chet> I seem to remember calling all of the developers python loving perl haters at some point.
[08-Mar-2007 11:10:39] * brozow searches for creith in the logs...
[08-Mar-2007 11:10:57] <creiht> uh oh
[08-Mar-2007 11:11:13] <PerlStalker> This could be fun
[08-Mar-2007 11:12:04] <chet> I don't understand what it is about python that makes you hate perl..
[08-Mar-2007 11:12:33] <creiht> chet: Well part of it is that you can come back to code a week later and still understand what you wrote
[08-Mar-2007 11:13:03] <creiht> But let's not turn this into a programming language advocacy rant
[08-Mar-2007 11:13:16] <creiht> In reality Python just fits how I think better
[08-Mar-2007 11:13:40] <chet> I love and hate all languages equally.
[08-Mar-2007 11:13:51] <creiht> I can imagine that it is similar for other languages like Perl and Ruby
[08-Mar-2007 11:14:21] <PerlStalker> Alright. This lack of documentation is really starting to get to me.
[08-Mar-2007 11:15:49] <PerlStalker> I'm trying to hack out this freaking data collector and it's like groping through a black room with big wholes in the floor and there are snakes everywhere.
[08-Mar-2007 11:17:00] <chet> I feel your pain, PerlStalker. There are a bunch of data collectors I wanted to build that include model updates, but it seems like a waste of my time to learn the current model if these ZenPacks are going to change everything soon.
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[08-Mar-2007 11:17:52] <creiht> PerlStalker: I agree with chet... I think they haven't documented it much yet, because they really want everyone to use ZenPacks for those types of things
[08-Mar-2007 11:18:32] <chet> Which makes sense because otherwise your code will be completely un-upgradeable.
[08-Mar-2007 11:19:09] <chet> As fast as Zenoss is moving at the moment, being able to upgrade with minimal hassle is very important.
[08-Mar-2007 11:19:10] <PerlStalker> I'd love to use ZenPacks
[08-Mar-2007 11:21:09] <b52laptop> anyone know a consultant (freelance) who work in deploying/consulting stuff arounf zenoss a part from zenoss inc ?
[08-Mar-2007 11:21:40] <creiht> b52laptop: I had heard that they were working on some partnerships for that
[08-Mar-2007 11:21:50] <creiht> But not sure what that has come to yet
[08-Mar-2007 11:22:07] <b52laptop> hm ok
[08-Mar-2007 11:22:33] <creiht> There was one guy that had been on the logs a bit, but I think he was from the UK
[08-Mar-2007 11:23:54] <b52laptop> in fact , i am interested in an intern (non paid and remote one) around zenoss stuff , so the location doesn't matter ....
[08-Mar-2007 11:24:21] <b52laptop> creiht, what the guy post on the mailling list about ?
[08-Mar-2007 11:25:28] <creiht> b52laptop: Oh sorry he was on IRC... and it seemed like he worked for some cosulting company that was partnering with Zenoss
[08-Mar-2007 11:25:57] <b52laptop> creiht, ah ok
[08-Mar-2007 11:32:27] <PerlStalker> So, any idea on when a release supporting zenpacks is due?
[08-Mar-2007 11:34:03] <chet> It's ticket is currently a blocker for the 1.2 release..
[08-Mar-2007 11:34:50] <chet> At the rate they've been making releases my WAG would put it somewhere around 2-3 weeks.
[08-Mar-2007 11:35:37] <PerlStalker> I see
[08-Mar-2007 11:47:30] <chet> Unfortunately I see nothing in the trunk related to zenpacks.
[08-Mar-2007 12:15:12] <PerlStalker> Great
[08-Mar-2007 12:15:36] <PerlStalker> Well, I hold off on getting performance graphs on the radios for now.
[08-Mar-2007 12:15:45] <PerlStalker> JFF is taking care of that currently
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[08-Mar-2007 16:21:58] <chet> I just upgraded to trunk and am getting the following failure in zenperfsnmp.log
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:00] <chet> Failure: exceptions.ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:11] <chet> Anyone know what this might be? the zenmigrate ran successfully.
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:20] <chet> It does cause zenperfsnmp to terminate.
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:41] <monrad> i have seen that too
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:52] <monrad> i guess its the price of running trunk
[08-Mar-2007 16:23:10] <chet> yup
[08-Mar-2007 16:24:27] <monrad> i guess its something with the new pickle stuff
[08-Mar-2007 16:28:13] <PerlStalker> I don't want a pickle
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[08-Mar-2007 18:49:49] <Snake-Eyes> hmm looks like every ones gone to bed
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[08-Mar-2007 20:22:13] <chet> Does anyone know anything about the pynetsnmp module? The trunk code optionally calls it, but a google actually returns no results.
[08-Mar-2007 21:17:03] <Snake-Eyes> nope
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[09-Mar-2007 03:23:53] <Snake-Eyes> any one know how often zenoss log's into into a box via ssh and runs the plugins ?
[09-Mar-2007 03:26:10] <Snake-Eyes> zCommandCycleTime ?
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[09-Mar-2007 09:09:40] <fritz> with the appliance the collector process gets killed when i try to setup a plugin as explained in the manual
[09-Mar-2007 09:09:54] <fritz> gets terminated because mem+swap is full
[09-Mar-2007 09:13:33] <fritz> hmm sucsesfull authenthication makes it not bomb out
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[09-Mar-2007 10:20:14] <fritz> hmm i have ssh working, followed the steps in the admin guide, zenplugin.py io works, added a ssIORawReceived to the perfconf
[09-Mar-2007 10:20:20] <fritz> but it's not filling the data source
[09-Mar-2007 10:21:06] <fritz> anyone know what i missed?
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[09-Mar-2007 10:23:53] <aarontdi> anyone available for a quick question?
[09-Mar-2007 10:24:49] <fritz> i'm around
[09-Mar-2007 10:25:08] <fritz> looking for an answer myself too, heh, but channels kinda quiet
[09-Mar-2007 10:25:25] <aarontdi> seems that way
[09-Mar-2007 10:25:39] <aarontdi> I'm getting this long, awful stack trace when I try to click on "Manage" anywhere
[09-Mar-2007 10:25:51] <fritz> pastebin it?
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:13] <aarontdi> its pretty long
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:24] <aarontdi> heres what seemst o be the most significant portion
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:25] <aarontdi> URL: file:ZenModel/skins/zenmodel/userCommandsMacros.pt
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:25] <aarontdi> Line 5, Column 0
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:25] <aarontdi> Expression: standard:'here/userCommands/objectValuesAll'
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:26] <aarontdi> Names:
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:46] <fritz> dunno, reinstall and try agian?
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:53] <aarontdi> done that
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:01] <fritz> wich version?
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:05] <aarontdi> 1.1.1
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:15] <fritz> hmm, havent had an issue
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:33] <aarontdi> it was an upgrade from 1.0 so I'm wondering if that is related
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:40] <aarontdi> I've made sure that the migration script ran though
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:51] <fritz> did you upgrade or remove the old and install the new
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:58] <aarontdi> upgrade
[09-Mar-2007 10:29:18] <fritz> try a fresh install
[09-Mar-2007 10:29:53] <aarontdi> if I remove the package will I lost all of my hosts and so forth or is that all in mysql?
[09-Mar-2007 10:30:13] <aarontdi> lose, rather
[09-Mar-2007 10:30:43] <fritz> yeah
[09-Mar-2007 10:30:47] <fritz> back it up
[09-Mar-2007 10:31:14] <fritz> or take a fresh install tree and do a diff
[09-Mar-2007 10:31:21] <fritz> see whats/wrong missing
[09-Mar-2007 10:31:29] <aarontdi> ok
[09-Mar-2007 10:36:18] <aarontdi> wow. even ripping it out and reinstalling it didn't fix this.
[09-Mar-2007 10:41:25] <chet> aarontdi: Part of the stack trace looks familiar.. could you pastebin the whole thing?
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:04] <aarontdi> just paste the whole thing in the channel?
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:17] <aarontdi> this error seems to be known
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:19] <aarontdi> An error was encountered while publishing this resource. Please use the form below to submit details of this error to Zenoss, Inc.
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:22] <aarontdi> Type: KeyError
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:24] <aarontdi> Value: 'userCommands'
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:51] <aarontdi> I've rerun the zenmigrate script per some threads I read and the problem remains
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:59] <chet> Actually.. try this..
[09-Mar-2007 10:44:08] <chet> zenmigrate run -v 10 --step=UserCommands --commit
[09-Mar-2007 10:44:21] <aarontdi> ok, one moment
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:13] <aarontdi> its thinking real hard
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:19] <aarontdi> DEBUG:zen.migrate:Level None, steps = ['UserCommands']
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:19] <aarontdi> INFO:zen.migrate:Database going to version Zenoss 1.1.0
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:20] <aarontdi> INFO:zen.migrate:Installing UserCommands
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:37] <chet> good... it takes a while.
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:47] <aarontdi> chet, thank you
[09-Mar-2007 10:46:22] <aarontdi> ouch, it ended in an error
[09-Mar-2007 10:46:35] <chet> btw, when people talk about pastebin, they mean go to a site like pastebin.com, paste your data in there and then paste the generated link to the channel.
[09-Mar-2007 10:46:43] <aarontdi> ahhh
[09-Mar-2007 10:46:47] <aarontdi> ok
[09-Mar-2007 10:48:23] <chet> fritz: Have you tried: zencommand run -v 10 -d your.device
[09-Mar-2007 10:48:36] <chet> Often the verbose output can give you a good idea what's going on.
[09-Mar-2007 10:48:56] <aarontdi> working on that pastebin. pastebin.com is moving a bit slowly for some reason
[09-Mar-2007 10:49:30] <chet> You could use pastebin.mozilla.com instead.
[09-Mar-2007 10:49:33] <chet> It's normally fast.
[09-Mar-2007 10:50:21] <aarontdi> ok
[09-Mar-2007 10:51:42] <aarontdi> http://pastebin.ca/387700
[09-Mar-2007 10:51:42] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Aaron / Zenoss - post number 387700 (at pastebin.ca)
[09-Mar-2007 10:52:18] <fritz> i'll tryt that chet thanx
[09-Mar-2007 10:54:19] <chet> aarontdi: ok, that's no big deal. Database conflict errors are usually transient. Try shutting down zenoss all together, then running zeoctl start to start the ZODB.
[09-Mar-2007 10:54:27] <chet> Then run that migrate command I gave you again.
[09-Mar-2007 10:54:37] <chet> That should eliminate any chance of conflicts.
[09-Mar-2007 10:55:45] <aarontdi> ok. I've run 'service zenoss stop' 'zeoctl start' and now I'm running the command you gave me before.
[09-Mar-2007 10:56:33] <aarontdi> aha! INFO:zen.migrate:Migration successful
[09-Mar-2007 10:57:02] <chet> Great.. start zenoss up, and hopefully those exceptions are gone.
[09-Mar-2007 10:57:29] <chet> I think this same issue snagged me going from 1.0 -> 1.1
[09-Mar-2007 10:58:05] <PerlStalker> Is it possible for zenoss to autodiscover devices that don't have snmp, i.e. they're only pingable?
[09-Mar-2007 10:58:06] <chet> The more problems you have, the more you learn about the internals. It can be pretty daunting at first.
[09-Mar-2007 10:58:15] <aarontdi> hurray! its working!
[09-Mar-2007 10:58:29] <aarontdi> chet, I can't thank you enough. My boss was ready to have a seizure over this
[09-Mar-2007 11:01:30] <fritz> hmm one seems to work
[09-Mar-2007 11:01:33] <fritz> the other doesnt
[09-Mar-2007 11:01:49] <fritz> same command, same config, but one gives a result according to debug, the other doesnt
[09-Mar-2007 11:08:10] <PerlStalker> I'm monitoring some Linux routers with net-snmp and ever once in a while I get this event on all of them: Error reading value for "ssCpuRawWait" on alamosa-gw (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.11.54.0 is bad)
[09-Mar-2007 11:08:27] <PerlStalker> It works the rest of the time.
[09-Mar-2007 11:08:55] <PerlStalker> What would be causing that?
[09-Mar-2007 11:08:58] <chet> RHEL3?
[09-Mar-2007 11:09:14] <PerlStalker> The zenoss server is running on Gentoo.
[09-Mar-2007 11:09:23] <PerlStalker> The routers are ImageStream
[09-Mar-2007 11:10:04] <chet> I have this same problem on my RHEL3 systems. It's just a bug in the version of net-snmp that comes with them.
[09-Mar-2007 11:10:26] <chet> Are you running less than v5.1.2?
[09-Mar-2007 11:11:34] <chet> I ended up creating a sub-class under Devices/Server/Linux for these that doesn't include the ssCpuRawWait oid
[09-Mar-2007 11:18:57] <fritz> odd
[09-Mar-2007 11:19:05] <fritz> as soon as i hit port 8080 zeoctl dies
[09-Mar-2007 11:19:16] <fritz> no segfaults in the logs though
[09-Mar-2007 11:20:12] <fritz> actually it just dies on it's own
[09-Mar-2007 11:23:26] <fritz> ah well
[09-Mar-2007 11:23:35] <fritz> i'll just try a source install
[09-Mar-2007 11:23:42] <fritz> thanx for the help chet
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[09-Mar-2007 11:29:19] <PerlStalker> net-snmp 5.2.1
[09-Mar-2007 11:30:01] <PerlStalker> I thought about that but it also flags on things like sysUpTime
[09-Mar-2007 11:30:27] <PerlStalker> It's all of these routers at the same time so I'm thinking it's a network thing.
[09-Mar-2007 11:30:53] <monrad> chet: still having snmp troubles?
[09-Mar-2007 11:31:58] <chet> Are you talking about that unpacking error in trunk?
[09-Mar-2007 11:34:56] <chet> PerlStalker: Of course there's my standard answer to most problems when it comes to zenoss..
[09-Mar-2007 11:35:19] <chet> stick "logseverity 10" in your zenperfsnmp to get some more information when this occurs.
[09-Mar-2007 11:35:31] <chet> er.. zenperfsnmp.conf
[09-Mar-2007 11:39:08] <monrad> ok
[09-Mar-2007 11:39:23] <chet> ok?
[09-Mar-2007 11:39:53] <monrad> i try to see what happens
[09-Mar-2007 11:40:25] <chet> that logseverity stuff was in response to PerlStalker..
[09-Mar-2007 11:40:33] <monrad> ohh
[09-Mar-2007 11:40:40] <monrad> ok i am kinda tried
[09-Mar-2007 11:41:13] <chet> monrad: There were too many issues with trunk for me.. I reverted back to 1.1.1
[09-Mar-2007 11:41:43] <chet> monrad: The web interface looked like it was halfway transitioned to something else. I'll be a good boy and wait for an actual release. =}
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[09-Mar-2007 13:02:07] <PerlStalker> Looks like my weird SNMP thing happens after zenperfsnmp "received config" for each device.
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[09-Mar-2007 13:15:03] <PerlStalker> Can someone tell me why the CPU Utilization graphs have units in percents but use the ssCpuRaw* values from the MIB?
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[09-Mar-2007 13:58:42] <aarontdi> anyone here ever tried to secure zenoss with SSL?
[09-Mar-2007 14:28:16] <chet> aarontdi: Here is a way to do it with stunnel: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToSetupZenossWithStunnel
[09-Mar-2007 14:28:16] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToSetupZenossWithStunnel - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[09-Mar-2007 14:36:30] <aarontdi> chet: thanks again!
[09-Mar-2007 14:59:54] <aarontdi> chet: it works! thanks
[09-Mar-2007 15:00:33] <chet> You're having a good day. =}
[09-Mar-2007 15:00:38] <aarontdi> yes sir I am
[09-Mar-2007 15:00:44] <aarontdi> my boss even likes me today
[09-Mar-2007 15:01:09] <aarontdi> chet: are you a zenoss developer or have you just become an expert through experience?
[09-Mar-2007 15:01:27] <chet> Just a user.. far from an expert.
[09-Mar-2007 15:02:15] <aarontdi> you're in the DC area?
[09-Mar-2007 15:02:32] <aarontdi> your hostname betrays you
[09-Mar-2007 15:02:42] <chet> Yeah.. I work near Bowie, MD and live in Fairfax, VA.
[09-Mar-2007 15:02:49] <aarontdi> I'm from Fairfax, VA!
[09-Mar-2007 15:03:04] <aarontdi> I live in NC now but I went to Robinson HS and everything
[09-Mar-2007 15:03:27] <chet> Wow.. I live about 2 miles from Robinson..
[09-Mar-2007 15:03:31] <chet> Small world.
[09-Mar-2007 15:03:33] <aarontdi> very
[09-Mar-2007 15:05:04] <chet> Apparently Zenoss' headquarters is in Annapolis, MD.
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[09-Mar-2007 15:05:21] <aarontdi> yup. They seem to have an office down here in Raleigh too
[09-Mar-2007 15:05:30] <aarontdi> one of their reps came to our company
[09-Mar-2007 15:05:39] <aarontdi> its a very impressive product and company
[09-Mar-2007 15:05:42] <chet> Cool. Is that how you found out about it?
[09-Mar-2007 15:06:17] <aarontdi> I had strictly been a nagios user for years but then I joined this managed hosting company that wanted to ditch a proprietary solution for Zenoss
[09-Mar-2007 15:06:23] <aarontdi> so I just kindof got thrust into it
[09-Mar-2007 15:06:53] <aarontdi> obviously there's no comparison between the two as far as features go
[09-Mar-2007 15:07:00] <aarontdi> we still use both, however.
[09-Mar-2007 15:07:18] <aarontdi> actually the VA Lottery is one of our customers
[09-Mar-2007 15:08:38] <aarontdi> their servers went crazy the other day with that huge jackpot
[09-Mar-2007 15:08:47] <aarontdi> bunch of silly Windows servers
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[09-Mar-2007 16:19:53] <chet> aarontdi: Think you can rig the next jackpot for me?
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[11-Mar-2007 14:03:10] <husku> o/
[11-Mar-2007 15:09:33] <husku> is it possible to make zensyslog to listen on another port?
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[11-Mar-2007 17:45:48] <chet> husku: Add a line like "syslogport 5514" to your $ZENHOME/etc/zensyslog.conf file.
[11-Mar-2007 17:57:51] <husku> chet: thanks, ill need that later
[11-Mar-2007 17:58:34] <husku> im using syslog-ng to get all the messages but still redirecting them also to zenoss, and they are on the same machine
[11-Mar-2007 17:59:46] <chet> Definitely a good idea. zensyslog is a lot heavier on system resources, so it's nice to have the ability to filter them beforehand.
[11-Mar-2007 18:00:40] <husku> yeah, and atm my zensyslog does not work corretly so... this is also a kind of backup arrangement
[11-Mar-2007 18:02:31] <husku> not sure why it is borked, everytime windows sends in an logevent it starts looping on some errors
[11-Mar-2007 18:02:53] <husku> at least i think it is related to windows
[11-Mar-2007 18:03:18] <chet> Are you using some kind of eventlog to syslog tool?
[11-Mar-2007 18:03:57] <husku> yes, the tool is even called "eventlog to syslog"
[11-Mar-2007 18:04:06] <chet> clever..
[11-Mar-2007 18:04:19] <husku> runs as nice little windows service
[11-Mar-2007 18:04:39] <chet> I'm just using the functionality built into zenwin to do it. It's nice in that you only have to install it on your zenwin server.. not all the systems you want to monitor.
[11-Mar-2007 18:05:41] <husku> well, i dont have any windows servers that could run zenwin
[11-Mar-2007 18:15:36] <husku> hmm, where do i see the log messages that zenoss gets?
[11-Mar-2007 18:16:00] <husku> im testing using logger -p crit message
[11-Mar-2007 18:16:30] <chet> They should show up under the events tab of the device that sent them.
[11-Mar-2007 18:16:51] <husku> well, then i have something wrong somewhere...
[11-Mar-2007 18:17:04] <husku> and not also to any logs?
[11-Mar-2007 18:17:29] <chet> No.. zenoss only cares about events. syslog-ng is the kind of thing that would put them in files.
[11-Mar-2007 18:18:01] <chet> You could probably run "zensyslog run -v 10" from the command line to get verbose logs if you're interested in it for debugging purposes.
[11-Mar-2007 18:20:11] <husku> and my messages should show up there, atleast, something should happen upon event...
[11-Mar-2007 18:20:28] <husku> atm, only heartbeats
[11-Mar-2007 18:21:06] <chet> I believe there's a default event mapping that silently drops heartbeats.
[11-Mar-2007 18:21:48] <chet> http://zenoss:8080/zport/dmd/Events/Heartbeat/eventClassStatus
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[11-Mar-2007 18:23:21] <husku> well, now i got something
[11-Mar-2007 18:23:32] <husku> and also log entries, but no events
[11-Mar-2007 18:23:38] <husku> and this : ERROR:zen.ZenSyslog:'SyslogProcessor' object has no attribute 'dmd'
[11-Mar-2007 18:24:50] <chet> That sounds like a bug. What version are you running?
[11-Mar-2007 18:25:01] <husku> latest svn
[11-Mar-2007 18:25:46] <chet> Can't help you there.. svn is in huge flux right now. There are all sorts of major bugs.
[11-Mar-2007 18:25:50] <chet> I'd suggest running 1.1.1
[11-Mar-2007 18:26:08] <husku> well, yes. it is a testig setup
[11-Mar-2007 18:26:14] <chet> You can do the SVN install, but export SVNTAG="tags/zenoss-1.1.1" first.
[11-Mar-2007 18:26:37] <husku> so id get the 1.1.1 version?
[11-Mar-2007 18:26:45] <chet> yeah
[11-Mar-2007 18:26:52] <husku> :/
[11-Mar-2007 18:27:06] <chet> That's how I do it.. just in case I feel like playing with other tags/branches/trunk in the future.
[11-Mar-2007 18:27:18] <husku> hehe
[11-Mar-2007 18:27:36] <chet> Hopefully once the developers get rested from PyCon SVN will become more usable.
[11-Mar-2007 18:27:47] <chet> s/SVN/trunk/
[11-Mar-2007 18:28:18] <husku> well, i could do some testing for the community, and report bugs...
[11-Mar-2007 18:28:32] <husku> i dont feel like going back to 1.1.1
[11-Mar-2007 18:28:36] <chet> I'm sure they'd appreciate it, but send that stuff to the mailing list. =}
[11-Mar-2007 18:29:03] <chet> Everyone on here is afraid of trunk.
[11-Mar-2007 18:29:08] <husku> haha
[11-Mar-2007 18:29:39] <husku> well, maybe ill send some reports...
[11-Mar-2007 18:33:08] <chet> ok, I can't help but look at it..
[11-Mar-2007 18:33:35] <chet> What do you have on line 87 of Products/ZenEvents/SyslogProcessing.py ?
[11-Mar-2007 18:34:14] <husku> ill put the whole error on pastebin, wait a second
[11-Mar-2007 18:35:18] <chet> I think I know what the bug is. Looks to be developer absentmindedness.. I can't believe gaim didn't flag absentmindedness as a spelling error.
[11-Mar-2007 18:36:37] <chet> The fix should be to change line #87 of Products/ZenEvents/SyslogProcessing.py from "self.dmd.ZenEventManager.sendEvent(evt)" to "self.zem.sendEvent(evt)"
[11-Mar-2007 18:37:39] <husku> http://pastebin.ca/391228
[11-Mar-2007 18:37:39] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 391228 (at pastebin.ca)
[11-Mar-2007 18:38:16] <chet> yup.. go ahead and make that change.
[11-Mar-2007 18:38:20] <husku> earlier today i tried to look for a "simple" error from the sources but, no luck... well, im no python coder
[11-Mar-2007 18:40:50] <husku> what about the other files, same kind of change?
[11-Mar-2007 18:41:53] <chet> Are you getting other errors like this?
[11-Mar-2007 18:42:37] <husku> i did i little grepping...
[11-Mar-2007 18:42:43] <husku> zenoss@valvomo ~ $ grep -r dmd.ZenEventManager /usr/local/zenoss/Products/* |wc -l
[11-Mar-2007 18:42:46] <husku> 158
[11-Mar-2007 18:43:09] <chet> That's probably fine. Most of the objects have the dmd as a instance variable.
[11-Mar-2007 18:43:39] <chet> I'd leave them alone.
[11-Mar-2007 18:43:43] <husku> ok
[11-Mar-2007 18:44:32] <husku> jei1
[11-Mar-2007 18:44:36] <husku> it works
[11-Mar-2007 18:44:52] <chet> Feel like submitting a summary of this to the mailing list. =}
[11-Mar-2007 18:45:23] <husku> feel free, you should get all the _whats_the_word_
[11-Mar-2007 18:45:34] <chet> blame?
[11-Mar-2007 18:45:38] <husku> yes
[11-Mar-2007 18:48:20] <husku> well, now i dont even feel like sleeping anymore
[11-Mar-2007 18:49:49] <husku> chet: btw, thanks a bunch for help
[11-Mar-2007 18:50:18] <chet> Sure thing.. that's why I leave this channel open.
[11-Mar-2007 18:51:30] <chet> I just added a ticket for it.. http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/1056 to keep track of its status.
[11-Mar-2007 18:51:30] <adytum-bot> Title: #1056 (zensyslog not able to send events) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[11-Mar-2007 18:52:05] <husku> one more thing, do you know how i can give extra option to zensyslog daemon so it gets applied on zenoss start ?
[11-Mar-2007 18:52:16] <husku> my setup needs the --parsehost flag
[11-Mar-2007 18:52:19] <chet> yeah, the etc/zensyslog.conf file.
[11-Mar-2007 18:52:33] <husku> just add the flag to the bottom of the file?
[11-Mar-2007 18:52:36] <chet> Any command line option can be set in that file using the long form.
[11-Mar-2007 18:52:44] <husku> ok, thanks
[11-Mar-2007 18:52:49] <chet> Is it a boolean flag?
[11-Mar-2007 18:53:28] <chet> yeah.. I guess so, you'd just add a line with "parsehost" on it.
[11-Mar-2007 18:53:41] <chet> Maybe "parsehost 1" .. not sure, I've never set a boolean that way.
[11-Mar-2007 18:54:27] <husku> i did parsehost true
[11-Mar-2007 18:54:42] <chet> sounds good to me
[11-Mar-2007 18:55:14] <husku> yep
[11-Mar-2007 18:55:22] <husku> maybe ill start reporting more bugs...
[11-Mar-2007 18:55:31] <husku> tomorrow
[11-Mar-2007 18:56:13] <husku> or what do you think, does the svn need one more tester?
[11-Mar-2007 18:57:00] <chet> If you don't need a working system, by all means test! =}
[11-Mar-2007 18:58:23] <husku> well, i have one virtualmachine just for testing stuff
[11-Mar-2007 19:00:33] <husku> btw, i did not found a way to remove devices, do you know is that possible?
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[11-Mar-2007 19:02:47] <husku> imean, i have a duplicate, two devices which are the same, localhost and "hostname" with address 127.0.0.1
[11-Mar-2007 19:03:33] <chet> I have a button on the device's manage tab called "Delete Device"..
[11-Mar-2007 19:03:44] <husku>
[11-Mar-2007 19:03:46] <husku> i dont
[11-Mar-2007 19:04:58] <husku> well, maybe on the next upgrade
[11-Mar-2007 19:06:12] <chet> In a pinch you can run the zendmd shell..
[11-Mar-2007 19:06:29] <chet> and do: find("devicename").deleteDevice()
[11-Mar-2007 19:06:31] <chet> commit()
[11-Mar-2007 19:06:34] <husku> oh, never heard of that
[11-Mar-2007 19:07:26] <monrad> it would be nice with more docs on the xml-rpc interfaces
[11-Mar-2007 19:08:18] <husku> whoa, that worked out nicely
[11-Mar-2007 19:08:50] <husku> yes it would be
[11-Mar-2007 19:09:10] <chet> zendmd and the source are really a great way to get intimately acquainted with zenoss.
[11-Mar-2007 19:09:28] <husku> maybe ill start learning python
[11-Mar-2007 19:10:04] <chet> You'll be glad you did. I'd never even seen a line of python until about a month ago when I picked zenoss up.
[11-Mar-2007 19:10:47] <husku> well, i have a long history with php
[11-Mar-2007 19:11:08] <chet> Then you should be good.. I'm a Perl monger.
[11-Mar-2007 19:11:32] <husku> i should study perl also, atleast, im running with gentoo
[11-Mar-2007 19:15:04] <husku> do you know if zenoss is able to use net-snmp instead of pysnmp?
[11-Mar-2007 19:15:50] <chet> They seem to putting support for that into trunk at the moment.
[11-Mar-2007 19:16:03] <husku> i thougt so...
[11-Mar-2007 19:16:11] <chet> I couldn't figure it out though.. as the module they're using to support net-snmp is called "pynetsnmp"
[11-Mar-2007 19:16:23] <chet> A quick google search reveals 0 matches.. so I'm at a loss.
[11-Mar-2007 19:16:28] <husku> warnings.warn("Using python-based snmp enging")
[11-Mar-2007 19:17:00] <husku> i get bunch of errors with zenperfsnmp and i think all is related to that transition
[11-Mar-2007 19:17:02] <chet> The best I can figure is that they're planning on writing a wrapper module themselves.
[11-Mar-2007 19:17:30] <chet> There was one show-stopping bug regarding the unpacking of data in trunk for me.
[11-Mar-2007 19:17:33] <chet> I couldn't figure it out.
[11-Mar-2007 19:18:20] <husku> what was that?
[11-Mar-2007 19:18:33] <monrad> i think that one was because of them moving configurations data into pickle format in the filesystem
[11-Mar-2007 19:18:54] <chet> yup.. I think I ran into that too.
[11-Mar-2007 19:19:04] <chet> Maybe it wouldn't have been a problem for a fresh install, but I was upgrading.
[11-Mar-2007 19:19:08] <chet> So I had existing data.
[11-Mar-2007 19:20:01] <monrad> i triede to delete my perf dir and it still gave that error
[11-Mar-2007 19:20:20] <chet> I was getting: Failure: exceptions.ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size
[11-Mar-2007 19:20:34] <chet> There's a thread on the mailing list about it, but no responses from the developers yet.
[11-Mar-2007 19:21:06] <monrad> Failure: exceptions.ValueError: need more than 3 values to unpack
[11-Mar-2007 19:21:12] <monrad> thats the one i got
[11-Mar-2007 19:21:23] <husku> well, mine is: Failure: exceptions.ValueError: need more than 3 values to unpack
[11-Mar-2007 19:21:25] <chet> Yeah.. probably the same cause..
[11-Mar-2007 19:21:30] <husku> oh
[11-Mar-2007 19:21:40] <husku> bug soulmates
[11-Mar-2007 19:22:55] <chet> I hate it when the exceptions don't have a stack trace..
[11-Mar-2007 19:26:47] <chet> monrad: Any idea what the fix might be?
[11-Mar-2007 19:27:49] <monrad> no i have not had any time to look at it yet
[11-Mar-2007 19:27:57] <monrad> i hope they fix it tomorrow
[11-Mar-2007 19:28:03] <chet> hehe..
[11-Mar-2007 19:28:39] <monrad> they start their checkins when i meet at work on mondays
[11-Mar-2007 19:31:42] <husku> well, i have to go to work soon so id better get some sleep
[11-Mar-2007 19:31:53] <husku> c u o/
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[11-Mar-2007 21:37:36] <Snake-Eyes> Any one know where you can change how often zenoss queries boxes via ssh ?
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[12-Mar-2007 05:23:44] <cappy> does zenoss support passive checks?
[12-Mar-2007 05:23:52] <cappy> hrm
[12-Mar-2007 05:23:57] <cappy> maybe i should've rephrased
[12-Mar-2007 05:24:41] <cappy> nagios has a pretty neat distributed model where you can have relay nagios servers that serves nothing more then data collectors which forwards to a central nagios server for processing
[12-Mar-2007 05:25:10] <cappy> can zenoss be setup in such a fashion where i can have the client nodes send the information back to a master server (via snmptraps or what not?)
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[12-Mar-2007 14:11:00] <stdaro_> just getting started with zenoss, and I have no experience with zope... is there a default username/password for /manage (zope management)?
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[12-Mar-2007 14:20:29] <chet> stdaro_: I think it is admin/admin
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[12-Mar-2007 14:22:32] <stdaro_> is there any way to do SSL aside from an external proxy?
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[12-Mar-2007 14:23:53] <chet> No.. stunnel is probably the easiest.
[12-Mar-2007 14:25:23] <stdaro_> I've done the config in apache before, no big deal, just hoping I didnt have to
[12-Mar-2007 14:32:22] <stdaro_> thanks for your help
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[12-Mar-2007 14:42:22] <PerlStalker> How do you set the SNMP trap community?
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[12-Mar-2007 15:34:55] <chet> The trap community for net-snmp?
[12-Mar-2007 15:35:08] <PerlStalker> n/m, I got it.
[12-Mar-2007 15:35:15] <PerlStalker> I'm just really confused today.
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[12-Mar-2007 16:03:00] <PerlStalker> How do I set the component field in an event?
[12-Mar-2007 16:03:40] <PerlStalker> Is it just component = evt.FieldName ?
[12-Mar-2007 16:05:56] <chet> evt.component = "whatever you want"
[12-Mar-2007 16:06:19] <chet> If you extracted something from the event text with ?P<component> it would automatically be set.
[12-Mar-2007 16:07:25] <chet> for example, if your event's text was: user PerlStalker failed password
[12-Mar-2007 16:07:48] <chet> Set your regex to: user (?P<component>\S+) failed login
[12-Mar-2007 16:07:54] <chet> And the component will be set to PerlStalker
[12-Mar-2007 16:08:05] <PerlStalker> I see
[12-Mar-2007 16:09:35] <PerlStalker> Ok. Now to test.
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[12-Mar-2007 16:25:26] <cappy> does anyone have a zendisc.conf file that lists what should actually go in there?
[12-Mar-2007 16:25:40] <cappy> i'm using zendisc to scan through our ip ranges but it seems to use the default 'public' community string
[12-Mar-2007 16:27:10] <chet> cappy, set your zSnmpCommunities to contain the community strings you want to try
[12-Mar-2007 16:27:23] <chet> You can do this on the zProperties tab at any level of the /Devices hierarchy.
[12-Mar-2007 16:27:31] <cappy> hrm
[12-Mar-2007 16:28:02] <cappy> so if it's set in the zProperties under the /Devices tree
[12-Mar-2007 16:28:11] <cappy> zendisc should use that com string to do the snmp scan?
[12-Mar-2007 16:28:28] <chet> Correct.
[12-Mar-2007 16:34:56] <cappy> is there a cli method of adding devices?
[12-Mar-2007 16:42:55] <chet> There are a few methods that can be used on the command line. There are articles on them in the wiki
[12-Mar-2007 16:46:51] <cappy> i noticed there was one about zenbatch* something
[12-Mar-2007 16:46:59] <cappy> but the script/prog isn't installed when i installed it
[12-Mar-2007 16:47:11] <cappy> but i do dig the REST method
[12-Mar-2007 16:54:43] <cappy> do you know if zenoss is capable of service/process dependencies?
[12-Mar-2007 16:55:30] <chet> It isn't.
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[13-Mar-2007 04:53:50] <husku> hey, where should i report bugs?
[13-Mar-2007 04:54:04] <husku> and i mean bugs that live in trunk
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[13-Mar-2007 07:12:42] <fritz> zCommandUsername seems to be ignored by zenoss for some strange reason(1.1.1 on suse 10.0
[13-Mar-2007 07:19:10] <fritz> nvm, fixed
[13-Mar-2007 07:19:32] <fritz> it was generated by the portscan
[13-Mar-2007 07:32:02] <husku> does someone know where i should report trunk bugs?
[13-Mar-2007 07:36:46] <aarontdi> have any of you seen any issues with zenoss 1.1.1 reporting intermittent false errors on services like sunrpc?
[13-Mar-2007 07:56:08] <fritz> is it possible to monitor normal values with snmp and some specific values by ssh/command?
[13-Mar-2007 07:56:28] <fritz> seems the manual suggests disabling snmp collection when using command collection
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[13-Mar-2007 09:02:30] <InAcrash> hello all
[13-Mar-2007 09:05:00] <InAcrash> Does zenoss have the capabilities of monitoring an SQL service on a windows machine?
[13-Mar-2007 09:07:47] <aarontdi> InAcrash: I can't say for sure but I believe it can
[13-Mar-2007 09:07:58] <aarontdi> I'm not a windows guru at all =/
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[13-Mar-2007 09:23:59] <fritz> InAcrash: sure
[13-Mar-2007 09:24:21] <fritz> you can collect using command plugins, remote ssh command scripts, snmp or xml-rpc
[13-Mar-2007 09:24:25] <fritz> take your pick
[13-Mar-2007 09:25:19] <fritz> how does xml-rpc monitoring compare to ssh performance wise
[13-Mar-2007 09:30:02] <fritz> also if xml-rpc returns an array of values, are they entered in the same order into the datasources associated with that query?
[13-Mar-2007 09:30:14] <fritz> or is there some other way to map those to an datasource
[13-Mar-2007 09:30:33] <fritz> datapoint even
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[13-Mar-2007 09:58:40] <InAcrash> how can i go about monitoring an sql service with snmp?
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[13-Mar-2007 10:27:09] <InAcrash> fritz: do you know the exact procedures that i can take towards monitoring an sql service with snmp on a windows machine?
[13-Mar-2007 10:33:58] <fritz> never done that
[13-Mar-2007 10:34:10] <fritz> tr snmp-informant thouh
[13-Mar-2007 10:34:17] <fritz> *try,*though
[13-Mar-2007 10:35:59] <fritz> basicly write something that gets you the vallues you want and integrate it with your snmp deamon
[13-Mar-2007 10:36:17] <fritz> but snmp-informant might already have something like that
[13-Mar-2007 10:36:34] <fritz> or use the mysql plugin, and connect to the db remoteky
[13-Mar-2007 10:36:36] <fritz> *remotely
[13-Mar-2007 10:39:27] <InAcrash> what mysql plugin?
[13-Mar-2007 10:41:01] <fritz> the one in the zenoss-plugin package
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[13-Mar-2007 10:45:57] <husku> hi
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[13-Mar-2007 11:14:53] <PerlStalker> Is there a standard way of rotating zenoss' logs?
[13-Mar-2007 11:15:16] <PerlStalker> Can I just use logrotate or newsyslog?
[13-Mar-2007 11:15:23] <fritz> err dunno, logrotate or syslog?
[13-Mar-2007 11:17:49] <PerlStalker> That's what I was thinking but some apps go a little nuts when you move their logs out from under them.
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[13-Mar-2007 18:51:53] <Snake-Eyes> Any one know where you can set the how often zenoss will log into a machine via ssh? At the momment it logs in every 12 hours which is to far apart.
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[13-Mar-2007 19:37:23] <Snake-Eyes> hey _chris_
[13-Mar-2007 19:37:32] <_chris_> hi Snake-eyes
[13-Mar-2007 19:38:25] <Snake-Eyes> you wouldnthappen to know where I can change ssh login interval ? eg how often ssh logs into a box
[13-Mar-2007 19:39:27] <Snake-Eyes> ive looked every where for it
[13-Mar-2007 19:48:47] * Snake-Eyes thinks _chris_ ran away
[13-Mar-2007 19:52:37] <_chris_> well -
[13-Mar-2007 19:52:43] <_chris_> if you're doing commands
[13-Mar-2007 19:52:49] <_chris_> zencommand keeps an open ssh connection to each box
[13-Mar-2007 19:53:23] <_chris_> so it doesn't login for each command each time.
[13-Mar-2007 19:55:24] <Snake-Eyes> ok
[13-Mar-2007 19:55:43] <Snake-Eyes> but its only logging in every 12 hours
[13-Mar-2007 19:56:10] <Snake-Eyes> doesnt break connection after its finished running all the comands ?
[13-Mar-2007 20:01:08] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, http://rafb.net/p/XkCKvL25.html
[13-Mar-2007 20:01:08] <adytum-bot> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)
[13-Mar-2007 20:26:04] <_chris_> it breaks the connection every 12 hours when zencommand reloads the model information
[13-Mar-2007 20:27:06] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, ok thanks for clearing that up
[13-Mar-2007 20:27:21] <Snake-Eyes> so how often does it query, every 5 mins ?
[13-Mar-2007 20:27:33] <_chris_> yup - out of the box we query every 5 mins
[13-Mar-2007 20:28:40] <Snake-Eyes> ok, cause the Last Collection 2007/03/14 03:34:24.538 thing was also making me think it was collecting every 12 hours or something
[13-Mar-2007 20:29:43] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, I'm graphing some services under perf (Device template), is there a better place or is that it ?
[13-Mar-2007 20:49:32] <_chris_> what are you graphing?
[13-Mar-2007 20:49:50] <Snake-Eyes> apache and mysql
[13-Mar-2007 20:53:20] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, where do you set how often to query a machine, all i see is timeouts every where?
[13-Mar-2007 21:11:19] <_chris_> apache and mysql are appropriate in the device template.
[13-Mar-2007 21:11:39] <_chris_> "how often to query a machine" is referred to as the cycle time
[13-Mar-2007 21:11:42] <_chris_> it's 5 minutes by default
[13-Mar-2007 21:11:49] <_chris_> and i believe you configure that at the performance collector level
[13-Mar-2007 21:12:09] <_chris_> by default zenoss has 1 performance collector installed (well it has 2 - zenperfsnmp, and zencommand)
[13-Mar-2007 21:12:40] <_chris_> but both use the same cycle time.
[13-Mar-2007 21:12:55] <_chris_> i believe you'd have to set up a separate performance collector if you wanted to adjust the cycle time from 5 minutes to something else
[13-Mar-2007 21:12:59] <_chris_> i could be wrong tho
[13-Mar-2007 21:13:16] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, ok thanks
[13-Mar-2007 21:13:40] <Snake-Eyes> btw hows the whole new DST thing treating you guys ?
[13-Mar-2007 21:14:36] <_chris_> we've had a lotta inquiries about that
[13-Mar-2007 21:14:46] <_chris_> there's nothing in the software that's impacted by it
[13-Mar-2007 21:14:55] <_chris_> but the underlying OS is impacted of course
[13-Mar-2007 21:15:10] <_chris_> so our answer is: zenoss is fine. but make sure you update centos/rhel/fedora/freebsd/whatever you're running.
[13-Mar-2007 21:16:08] <Snake-Eyes> lol, im not in the US
[13-Mar-2007 21:16:36] <_chris_> lucky for you!
[13-Mar-2007 21:16:37] <Snake-Eyes> I was just wonder what impact it had
[13-Mar-2007 21:17:14] <Snake-Eyes> our state doesnt have it, personal I dont see the need for it any where
[13-Mar-2007 21:19:17] <_chris_> where are you from?
[13-Mar-2007 21:19:30] <Snake-Eyes> au
[13-Mar-2007 21:19:35] <_chris_> very cool!
[13-Mar-2007 21:19:49] <Snake-Eyes> and can be very hot
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[14-Mar-2007 10:06:16] <aarontdi> 'morning chet
[14-Mar-2007 10:07:20] <chet> Good morning to you too.
[14-Mar-2007 10:09:50] <aarontdi> chet, I've got a weird zenoss error that won't go away. mind looking at a pastebin for me?
[14-Mar-2007 10:11:45] <chet> Not at all. Where is it?
[14-Mar-2007 10:11:58] <aarontdi> http://pastebin.ca/394725
[14-Mar-2007 10:11:58] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Mine - post number 394725 (at pastebin.ca)
[14-Mar-2007 10:12:11] <aarontdi> for some reason it suddenly started reporting this duplicate IP address error yesterday
[14-Mar-2007 10:12:17] <aarontdi> we've made no changes to anything
[14-Mar-2007 10:13:28] <aarontdi> this is kindof a long shot. it really makes no sense
[14-Mar-2007 10:13:57] <chet> First obvious question. Are both of those devices configured with the same IP?
[14-Mar-2007 10:14:16] <aarontdi> nope. RDU-CO-WWW01 *is* www.p4performance.com
[14-Mar-2007 10:14:21] <aarontdi> and its the only machine bound to that IP
[14-Mar-2007 10:16:16] <chet> ok, but are those two separate devices in zenoss?
[14-Mar-2007 10:16:29] <aarontdi> they don't appear to be
[14-Mar-2007 10:16:42] * aarontdi double checks
[14-Mar-2007 10:17:02] <aarontdi> aha
[14-Mar-2007 10:17:03] <chet> Just type each one into the search box at the top and see which one(s) comes up.
[14-Mar-2007 10:17:04] <aarontdi> it was hiding
[14-Mar-2007 10:17:31] <aarontdi> there were 41 devices and this one was hiding on the second page
[14-Mar-2007 10:17:54] <chet> Cool.. no zenfu required.
[14-Mar-2007 10:19:05] <aarontdi> ok. I've deleted the redundant entry
[14-Mar-2007 10:19:10] <aarontdi> we'll see if this goes away now
[14-Mar-2007 10:19:51] <chet> you can restart zenping if you want to know right away.
[14-Mar-2007 10:19:57] <aarontdi> ok
[14-Mar-2007 10:20:21] <chet> It has a 20 minute cycle on reloading config because it has to rebuild the network topology each time.
[14-Mar-2007 10:20:43] <aarontdi> ahh
[14-Mar-2007 10:21:01] <aarontdi> that cleared it!
[14-Mar-2007 10:21:11] <aarontdi> thank you
[14-Mar-2007 10:21:18] <chet> glad to help
[14-Mar-2007 10:21:28] <aarontdi> someday I'll hopefully be useful to you =)
[14-Mar-2007 10:29:55] <aarontdi> chet: what do you specifically? I'm a UNIX Admin right now about to accept a MySQL DBA job.
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[14-Mar-2007 10:33:13] <chet> They tell me I'm a security engineer.
[14-Mar-2007 10:33:43] <chet> Mostly it's network and unix administration.
[14-Mar-2007 10:34:31] <chet> I've a soft spot in my heart for software development, but it just doesn't seem to be as stable a career.
[14-Mar-2007 10:35:56] <aarontdi> me too, actually. I really enjoy programming.
[14-Mar-2007 10:36:32] <aarontdi> I've got this other job I'm interviewing for that is doing LAMP development/support. its intriguing but pays less than the DBA job
[14-Mar-2007 10:37:03] <aarontdi> I've been interviewing because my current position is just plain boring and my boss is less than ideal.
[14-Mar-2007 10:37:23] <chet> What a crock.. I don't understand why DBAs get the big salaries.
[14-Mar-2007 10:37:33] <aarontdi> hahah I know
[14-Mar-2007 10:38:10] <aarontdi> its not *that* challenging
[14-Mar-2007 10:38:33] <aarontdi> I'd argue being a unix admin is just as difficult and requires equal skill
[14-Mar-2007 10:38:47] <aarontdi> at least being a good unix admin does
[14-Mar-2007 10:38:49] <chet> I agree with you there.
[14-Mar-2007 10:42:03] <chet> Out of all the skilled IT people I'
[14-Mar-2007 10:42:18] <chet> I've ever dealt with, UNIX admins have always been the brightest..
[14-Mar-2007 10:42:29] <chet> They understand how everything works, whether they know the details or not.
[14-Mar-2007 10:43:11] <chet> Maybe I just haven't been lucky enough to know any good DBAs or developers.
[14-Mar-2007 10:43:38] <aarontdi> I've had the same experience
[14-Mar-2007 10:43:45] <aarontdi> every DBA I meet only knows databases and *nothing* else
[14-Mar-2007 10:44:08] <aarontdi> I'm almost scared to label myself a DBA
[14-Mar-2007 11:02:10] <_chris_> a lot of DBAs i've worked with only know what their DB Tool tells them
[14-Mar-2007 11:02:17] <_chris_> put them in front of a command prompt and they freeze
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[14-Mar-2007 11:05:08] <aarontdi> exactly
[14-Mar-2007 11:05:15] <aarontdi> I dont want people to think that of me in future jobs
[14-Mar-2007 11:26:37] <PerlStalker> Will someone please explain to me how data points are collected from commands?
[14-Mar-2007 11:26:47] <PerlStalker> I can see how to run the command.
[14-Mar-2007 11:27:02] <PerlStalker> But I don't see how one would pull the data desired from the command.
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[14-Mar-2007 11:32:45] <toddavis> The command output has to have Nagios-type performance data included.
[14-Mar-2007 11:33:06] <PerlStalker> I see
[14-Mar-2007 11:33:30] <toddavis> Then you just reference the variable names.
[14-Mar-2007 11:34:09] <PerlStalker> Ok. That little bit seems to be missing from the admin guide
[14-Mar-2007 11:43:41] <toddavis> I think I figured it out by looking at the PerfConf for /Remove. Knowing how the Zenoss-Plugins were returning information (same as Nagios) and seeing how they were getting the graph info. There's also been some mention of it on the users-list.
[14-Mar-2007 11:43:57] <toddavis> Sorry, that should have been /Remote
[14-Mar-2007 11:44:04] <PerlStalker> Ah
[14-Mar-2007 11:45:28] <toddavis> Ok. I should probably look at the full path first. It's /Devices/Server/Remote
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[14-Mar-2007 14:25:18] <bobirc> hi, I have zenoss up and running, and I have been reading alot the last couple days. I now have a question about how to handle virtual network interfaces with zenoss. (I am pretty new to irc)
[14-Mar-2007 14:26:48] <chet> ok.. what do you mean by virtual interfaces?
[14-Mar-2007 14:27:37] <bobirc> on my linux boxes I typically have multiple IP bound to each network interface
[14-Mar-2007 14:27:54] <chet> Such as eth0:1 eth0:2 ?
[14-Mar-2007 14:27:59] <bobirc> yeah
[14-Mar-2007 14:28:23] <bobirc> and I find that 1) zenss is not acknoledgeing those
[14-Mar-2007 14:28:34] <bobirc> it only sees hte first IP
[14-Mar-2007 14:29:50] <bobirc> and 2) the services it discovered (like smtp) it shows the correct bound IPs, but it shows them as down when they really are up
[14-Mar-2007 14:30:29] <bobirc> i think that its trying to conect to the mangement IP and not hte IP its really bound to
[14-Mar-2007 14:31:00] <bobirc> (I found a forum post of someone with the same problem a month ago, but there were no replies)
[14-Mar-2007 14:31:14] <chet> I've never actually tried that on linux.. doing so now.
[14-Mar-2007 14:31:52] <_chris_> bobirc: check your snmp agent
[14-Mar-2007 14:32:03] <_chris_> run snmpwalk -c public -v 1 <your host with aliases> if
[14-Mar-2007 14:32:16] <_chris_> and see if it returns counters for the interface aliases (eth0:0)
[14-Mar-2007 14:32:23] <bobirc> doing that now...
[14-Mar-2007 14:32:57] <chet> _chris_: I just checked.. net-snmp doesn't report on those interfaces at all.
[14-Mar-2007 14:33:03] <_chris_> yup
[14-Mar-2007 14:33:05] <_chris_> that's yer problem
[14-Mar-2007 14:33:14] <_chris_> you could write a zenplugin to do it
[14-Mar-2007 14:33:17] <_chris_> if you really cared about it
[14-Mar-2007 14:35:00] <bobirc> I think i might. Would you suggest writing a new pluggin as opposed to modifying an existing one?
[14-Mar-2007 14:35:19] <_chris_> you can start with the zenoss-plugins tarball
[14-Mar-2007 14:35:26] <_chris_> take a look at zenoss/plugins/linux2.py
[14-Mar-2007 14:35:29] <_chris_> look at the InterfaceCollector
[14-Mar-2007 14:36:50] <bobirc> what I don't yet understand is how this would interact with existing 'plugins'
[14-Mar-2007 14:37:35] <_chris_> the problem you're going to have tho is this -
[14-Mar-2007 14:37:52] <_chris_> when we model the device we walk the "interfaces" table in order to assemble the list of interfaces that a device has
[14-Mar-2007 14:38:01] <bobirc> for example, the /Services/IpService/Privileged/smtp reports the correct bound IP but is trying to connect to the wrong one
[14-Mar-2007 14:38:07] <_chris_> your snmp agent doesn't return an interface for eth0:0, eth0:1, etc.. it just returns eth0
[14-Mar-2007 14:38:26] <_chris_> so we're not going to capture those aliases in the model, which means they will not show up in the OS tab.
[14-Mar-2007 14:38:50] <_chris_> what you're going to need to do is to model the device using the "cmd" plugins. i'm not sure if our cmd plugins for modeling support aliases yet
[14-Mar-2007 14:39:49] <bobirc> are 'cmd' plugins ssh?
[14-Mar-2007 14:40:05] <chet> bobirc: zenoss already has a data collection plugin for this.
[14-Mar-2007 14:41:28] <chet> Go the the zProperties tab of this device, set your zCollectorCollectPlugins to "ifconfig"
[14-Mar-2007 14:41:38] <chet> Then recollect the device from the Manage tab.
[14-Mar-2007 14:42:02] <chet> This will require that you setup passwordless public key SSH authentication from your zenoss system to the system you're monitoring.
[14-Mar-2007 14:42:08] <bobirc> doing so now...
[14-Mar-2007 14:44:13] <chet> The relevant zProperties would be zCommandUsername (the user on the remote system that trusts zenoss) and zKeyPath (the location of your private key.. probably ~/.ssh/id_rsa)
[14-Mar-2007 14:44:42] <bobirc> i did not see any difference -- should that have listed the virtual interfaces in the OS tab?
[14-Mar-2007 14:44:44] <chet> I usually set zCommandUsername and zKeyPath at the /Devices level since they're likely to be consistent among your systems.
[14-Mar-2007 14:45:09] <chet> Are you familiar with ssh public key authentication?
[14-Mar-2007 14:47:07] <bobirc> oh, i get it. yes, i am familiar with ssh public key authentication
[14-Mar-2007 14:48:27] <bobirc> zKeyPath points to the private key of the system running Zenoss, and then I make sure hte public key is on the linux box(es) that I am monitoring
[14-Mar-2007 14:49:29] <bobirc> from what I read in the manual, I had the impression that I can use either SNMP or ssh to discover the model -- not both
[14-Mar-2007 14:49:54] <bobirc> so do I have to switch from using SNMP to shh completely?
[14-Mar-2007 15:02:01] <chet> I don't believe so.
[14-Mar-2007 15:02:15] <chet> I'm testing all of this as we speak and they're both being used.
[14-Mar-2007 15:02:50] <bobirc> I have not found zKeyPath in my /device zProperties
[14-Mar-2007 15:03:42] <bobirc> oh, I am runnig 1.0.2 could that be why?
[14-Mar-2007 15:03:57] <chet> Likely.. I'm using 1.1.1
[14-Mar-2007 15:04:43] <bobirc> I will upgrade and try it
[14-Mar-2007 15:05:59] <chet> I think you can actually leave your zCollectorCollectPlugins blank too.
[14-Mar-2007 15:07:04] <bobirc> you mean just enabling the ssh access will cause it to be discovered?
[14-Mar-2007 15:07:16] <chet> ah ha.. the right thing to do to make ssh work for interfaces and snmp for everything else is to set the zCollectorIgnorePlugins to InterfaceMap
[14-Mar-2007 15:07:21] <chet> yes
[14-Mar-2007 15:07:26] <bobirc> cool
[14-Mar-2007 15:08:17] <chet> One thing to note is that you won't get performance graphs for the virtual interface because SNMP doesn't report on it.
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[14-Mar-2007 15:08:29] <bobirc> is recollecting the model always safe in terms of not loosing any manualling entered info?
[14-Mar-2007 15:08:35] <chet> Definitely not.
[14-Mar-2007 15:09:12] <chet> A good rule to live by is don't enter anything by hand.
[14-Mar-2007 15:09:25] <chet> If it wasn't collected, it will probably be overwritten.
[14-Mar-2007 15:09:36] <bobirc> oh
[14-Mar-2007 15:10:25] <bobirc> so for each device you shoul decide to only use collected info or turn off automatic collection?
[14-Mar-2007 15:10:42] <chet> yeah. What are you entering by hand?
[14-Mar-2007 15:12:16] <bobirc> well, I don't know yet, but I was wondering if that would be a work aroiund for situations like this where SNMP is not provideing all the info
[14-Mar-2007 15:13:38] <bobirc> i am still trying to figure out how to think about the zenoss model -- I guess its device - servives -- proccesses
[14-Mar-2007 15:14:16] <_chris__> chet: does ifconfig return alias information?
[14-Mar-2007 15:14:27] <chet> yeah
[14-Mar-2007 15:14:32] <chet> wait..
[14-Mar-2007 15:16:36] <chet> What do you mean by alias? extra IP addresses or something like ifDescr?
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[14-Mar-2007 15:17:47] <_chris__> eth0:0 is an interface alias for eth0
[14-Mar-2007 15:17:53] <_chris__> eth0:1 is an interface alias for eth0
[14-Mar-2007 15:17:54] <_chris__> so -
[14-Mar-2007 15:17:59] <_chris__> i was just curious
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:01] <_chris__> i was in ifconfig last niht
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:03] <_chris__> night
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:10] <_chris__> and there's a regex that extracts the interface name from the ifconfig output
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:17] <_chris__> i'm not sure if it looks for eth(\d+)
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:32] <_chris__> or if it's like eth(\d+|:\d+)
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:33] <chet> oh, yeah.. it gets the aliases no problem.
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:33] <_chris__> you know?
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:35] <chet> I just tested it.
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:36] <_chris__> ahh ok
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:38] <_chris__> cool
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[14-Mar-2007 16:42:28] <bobirc> thanks, clris and chet for your help -- it will take me a while to upgrade to 1.1.1 to try this out, so I will finish later.
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[14-Mar-2007 17:30:02] <PerlStalker> I'm getting this error when I try to run a command on a remote server over ssh:
[14-Mar-2007 17:30:05] <PerlStalker> auth could not identify password for [user]
[14-Mar-2007 17:30:18] <PerlStalker> Where user is the name I'm trying to log in with.
[14-Mar-2007 17:30:26] <PerlStalker> What do I do to fix that?
[14-Mar-2007 17:32:02] <PerlStalker> Well, crap. Looks like it's a bug.
[14-Mar-2007 17:35:51] <PerlStalker> It it possible to tell zenoss to use a key instead of a password?
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[14-Mar-2007 17:55:50] <PerlStalker> Gah! I'm blind. I read right past zKeyPath about 27 times
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[15-Mar-2007 09:23:09] <PerlStalker> How can I tell if Zenoss is trying to run remote commands?
[15-Mar-2007 09:24:56] <chet> During which process? modeling or performance monitoring?
[15-Mar-2007 09:25:10] <PerlStalker> performance
[15-Mar-2007 09:26:06] <PerlStalker> I wrote a nagios plugin to check postfix queue sizes but I'm not getting performance graphs (they're no showing up at all)
[15-Mar-2007 09:26:14] <_chris_> PerlStalker: check the zencommand.log
[15-Mar-2007 09:26:57] <PerlStalker> _chris_: I have. There's nothing there.
[15-Mar-2007 09:27:12] <_chris_> did you restart zencommand?
[15-Mar-2007 09:27:33] <PerlStalker> Yes, but I'll do it again just to be sure.
[15-Mar-2007 09:28:23] <chet> You could run zencommand run -v 10 -d yourhost
[15-Mar-2007 09:29:02] <PerlStalker> Trying it now.
[15-Mar-2007 09:32:04] <PerlStalker> Should I see a line stating that it tried to run the command?
[15-Mar-2007 09:33:00] <_chris_> yup
[15-Mar-2007 09:33:35] <PerlStalker> I'm not seeing one so I guess it's not being run.
[15-Mar-2007 09:33:47] <spekul> hm guys.. i am at building a custom graph for traffic monitoring when youre billid with the 95%ile rule
[15-Mar-2007 09:34:42] <spekul> using ifInOctets_ifInOctets as data sources for my CDEF's
[15-Mar-2007 09:34:45] <PerlStalker> How does zenoss decide to use a performance template?
[15-Mar-2007 09:34:53] <spekul> but somehow there is nothing showing up.. only a placeholder
[15-Mar-2007 09:35:43] <spekul> ouh
[15-Mar-2007 09:36:00] <spekul> after reinvestigating on my custom definition.. hehe.. i got it
[15-Mar-2007 09:36:05] <spekul> sorry for the noise
[15-Mar-2007 09:36:11] <_chris_> no worries spekul
[15-Mar-2007 09:36:33] <spekul> i wondered if i had to restart some services
[15-Mar-2007 09:36:40] <spekul> and, btw, the custom field rox
[15-Mar-2007 09:37:20] <spekul> the only thing missing is, that it would be cool to define a time interval for it
[15-Mar-2007 09:39:24] <spekul> or am i just blind there?
[15-Mar-2007 09:39:43] <spekul> something like "this special graph should display the last 31 days"
[15-Mar-2007 09:39:50] <_chris_> ahhh i see
[15-Mar-2007 09:39:54] <_chris_> you can do that interactively
[15-Mar-2007 09:40:05] <spekul> with the buttons you mean
[15-Mar-2007 09:40:07] <_chris_> when you look at the graph there's a combo box you can clickity smack on that allows you to change the duration
[15-Mar-2007 09:40:10] <_chris_> right
[15-Mar-2007 09:40:14] <_chris_> but there's no config right now
[15-Mar-2007 09:40:26] <_chris_> that says "make graph #2 always show a past-31-days duration"
[15-Mar-2007 09:40:29] <spekul> what can be reasons that those buttons dont work?
[15-Mar-2007 09:40:37] <_chris_> they should work
[15-Mar-2007 09:41:04] <spekul> the < and > button works
[15-Mar-2007 09:41:12] <spekul> but the magnifying glasses dont
[15-Mar-2007 09:41:30] <spekul> they switch from gray to white but nothing else
[15-Mar-2007 09:41:32] <PerlStalker> You need to click on the graph
[15-Mar-2007 09:42:59] <spekul> arghs ok
[15-Mar-2007 09:43:04] <spekul> sorry again my fault
[15-Mar-2007 09:43:23] <spekul> i am not sure what made me behave like an enduser this time
[15-Mar-2007 09:43:25] <spekul> sorry.
[15-Mar-2007 09:43:57] <chet> PerlStalker: I just tried creating an ssh driven nagios plugin to see how it worked..
[15-Mar-2007 09:44:37] <chet> How did you create it? Did you make a local copy of the performance template on the device, then add your data source?
[15-Mar-2007 09:45:02] <PerlStalker> I created a new performance template
[15-Mar-2007 09:45:49] <chet> how?
[15-Mar-2007 09:46:39] <PerlStalker> I went to the PerfConf tab for the device class, put in a name for the template and clicked 'Add'
[15-Mar-2007 09:47:33] <chet> ahh.. what did you name it?
[15-Mar-2007 09:47:41] <spekul> ok now that i have this running.. is there a way to get the current time interval shown in the graph (selected through the buttons) to use it inside your custom rrd definitions?
[15-Mar-2007 09:47:47] <PerlStalker> postfix_mailq
[15-Mar-2007 09:48:00] <PerlStalker> Should I have overridden the Device thing?
[15-Mar-2007 09:48:14] <chet> PerlStalker: exactly.. "Device" is a magic name
[15-Mar-2007 09:48:19] <PerlStalker> Gotcha
[15-Mar-2007 09:48:56] <PerlStalker> Ok. Let's try this again.
[15-Mar-2007 10:00:18] <chet> spekul: It appears as though the custom field is evaluated as a tales expression. What kind of format are you looking for?
[15-Mar-2007 10:00:40] <chet> I think you could stick something like ${start} ${end}
[15-Mar-2007 10:11:34] <PerlStalker> Ah, that's better. Now I'm getting "command is not executable" events
[15-Mar-2007 10:19:06] <PerlStalker> So, this 'Use SSH' flag is important when talking to remote devices over SSH, huh?
[15-Mar-2007 10:19:11] <PerlStalker> Who'd a thunk it?
[15-Mar-2007 10:19:24] <chet> heh.. you, I would have expected.
[15-Mar-2007 10:19:26] * PerlStalker awards himself the I-D-10-T award for the day
[15-Mar-2007 10:22:54] <spekul> chet: need to come back with my shell later - then i am going to explain it in more detail
[15-Mar-2007 10:23:01] <spekul> chet/quit
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[15-Mar-2007 10:23:10] <chet> doh..
[15-Mar-2007 10:34:56] <PerlStalker> So how are the other performance templates used?
[15-Mar-2007 10:35:57] <PerlStalker> Are the names tied to DataCollector plugin names?
[15-Mar-2007 10:55:22] <chet> Nothing very specific. Any of the processes can look them up as they see fit.
[15-Mar-2007 10:55:43] <chet> zenperfsnmp looks interface templates up by their ifType.. like ethernetCsmacd
[15-Mar-2007 10:56:10] <PerlStalker> ok
[15-Mar-2007 10:56:19] <chet> DataCollectors are related to zenmodeler and really have nothing to do with performance templates.
[15-Mar-2007 10:57:33] <PerlStalker> Ok. So if I wanted to model a device like an AP that had performance data from a changing list of radios, I'd have to create a new model (derived from Device)
[15-Mar-2007 10:59:10] <chet> Try to remember that the "model" has nothing to do with the "performance"
[15-Mar-2007 10:59:20] <PerlStalker> ok.
[15-Mar-2007 10:59:58] <PerlStalker> Then, how would I approach such a setup?
[15-Mar-2007 11:00:48] <chet> Modeling it at this point would be a lot of know-how and work. You would need to create the datacollector plugins, the model classes themselves, the relationships to other model objects and the zope view.
[15-Mar-2007 11:01:20] <PerlStalker> Yowzah
[15-Mar-2007 11:02:04] <chet> Honestly, you'd probably waste a lot of time and never finish this pursuit.. =}
[15-Mar-2007 11:02:56] <PerlStalker> Are ZenPacks are supposed to make this process easier to create that mess or just package it?
[15-Mar-2007 11:05:37] <chet> Both.. they are actually documenting the process with an example zenpack too.
[15-Mar-2007 11:05:55] <PerlStalker> I see
[15-Mar-2007 11:06:24] <PerlStalker> That's the last piece I need to migrate off of my current NMS.
[15-Mar-2007 11:10:58] <chet> If you go to http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/trunk/inst/docs
[15-Mar-2007 11:10:58] <adytum-bot> Title: /trunk/inst/docs - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[15-Mar-2007 11:10:59] <chet> Check out ZenPack.txt, ZenPackNotes.txt and the HelloWorldZenPack directory.
[15-Mar-2007 11:11:02] <chet> You can get an idea for where they're going with it.
[15-Mar-2007 11:11:14] <PerlStalker> Shiny. Thanks for all the help
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[15-Mar-2007 14:33:13] <chet> Does anyone have graphing of performance data working on trunk?
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[15-Mar-2007 17:02:08] <monrad> anyone seen:
[15-Mar-2007 17:02:09] <monrad> Type: TypeError
[15-Mar-2007 17:02:10] <monrad> Value: list objects are unhashable
[15-Mar-2007 17:02:17] <monrad> i get it when i try to delete a class
[15-Mar-2007 17:24:33] <monrad> i think its because that class has an ' ' space after the name
[15-Mar-2007 17:28:44] <monrad> how do i wipe the zenoss database?
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[16-Mar-2007 08:20:39] <spekul> somebody there?
[16-Mar-2007 08:21:07] <spekul> yesterday i asked something related to custom rrd graphs
[16-Mar-2007 08:21:52] <spekul> when you manually create a graph with 'rrdtool graph', you provide a time range
[16-Mar-2007 08:22:12] <spekul> parameters on the commandline are --start and --end
[16-Mar-2007 08:23:00] <spekul> so when users zoom with the magnifying glases, this time range changes
[16-Mar-2007 08:24:14] <spekul> what i want to do is to calculate the total amount of traffic that went through an interface in the current time range
[16-Mar-2007 08:24:50] <spekul> this is for bandwith cost calculations for example, or to know if you exceeded your traffic quota you payed for
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[16-Mar-2007 08:34:54] <fritzi> anyone know if it's possible to pass the arguments added in the xml-rpc source as an array? instead of pasing them as individual parameters?
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[16-Mar-2007 13:49:11] <chet> I just posted a ethernetCsmacd performance template that uses 64bit counters to the zenoss-users mailing list if anyone is interested.
[16-Mar-2007 13:54:07] <PerlStalker> shiny
[16-Mar-2007 13:57:44] <PerlStalker> This is really annoying. I can get all my SNMP vars for a device with snmpget and zenmodeler can get what it needs from SNMP but zenperfsnmp is timing out
[16-Mar-2007 13:58:06] <chet> What version are you running?
[16-Mar-2007 13:58:15] <PerlStalker> 1.1
[16-Mar-2007 13:58:47] <PerlStalker> zenperfsnmp.py 1.10
[16-Mar-2007 14:00:58] <PerlStalker> It works fine for other devices but is failing for this one type
[16-Mar-2007 14:02:37] <monrad> chet: i made one yesterday myself
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[16-Mar-2007 17:32:40] <PerlStalker> Stupid crap hardware.
[16-Mar-2007 17:33:06] <PerlStalker> The SNMP daemon on the radio doesn't like it if you get more than 1 OID at once.
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[18-Mar-2007 05:34:54] <mturlot> Hi
[18-Mar-2007 05:35:01] <mturlot> maybe somebody can help me ?
[18-Mar-2007 05:35:39] <mturlot> i have problem to login on the zenoss console
[18-Mar-2007 05:35:56] <mturlot> the commande ./zpasswd.py -u admin -p admin inituser
[18-Mar-2007 05:36:11] <mturlot> seem to not change my problem
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[19-Mar-2007 02:05:00] <fulat2k> hi folks, i've setup a zenoss server (1.1.1) and it's monitoring a few RHEL servers. unfortunately, i can't seem to see the entire list of processing running on the servers. any idea if this could be a net-snmp config or zenoss config?
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[19-Mar-2007 09:22:59] <chet> Has anyone else noticed slower MySQL database performance on trunk than 1.1? It's most noticeable to me on the dashboard.
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[19-Mar-2007 10:38:30] <PerlStalker> Is it possible to create a custom report with graphs instead of (or in addition to) the raw numbers?
[19-Mar-2007 11:03:19] <chet> Yes, it's definitely possible. Take a look at /Reports/Performance Reports/Aggregate Reports
[19-Mar-2007 11:06:01] <PerlStalker> Ah, cool. Missed that one. :-)
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[19-Mar-2007 16:26:00] <monrad> anyone tried the upgrade of trunk?
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[19-Mar-2007 16:26:42] <chet> No.. was just thinking about it though.
[19-Mar-2007 16:28:29] <monrad> i just reverted to my backup
[19-Mar-2007 16:28:37] <chet> Didn't have any luck?
[19-Mar-2007 16:29:43] <monrad> no
[19-Mar-2007 16:37:14] <chet> I suppose I'll give it a try anyway.. my trunk install is relatively small.
[19-Mar-2007 16:38:24] <monrad> but i been quite busy with different stuff
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[19-Mar-2007 17:29:04] <chet> I took me a few tries, but I got that trunk upgrade done.
[19-Mar-2007 17:29:17] <chet> monrad: What problem were you running into? I think I must have hit them all.
[19-Mar-2007 17:31:03] <monrad> hehe
[19-Mar-2007 17:31:25] <monrad> just a sec i am doing a run of putting devices into zenoss
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[19-Mar-2007 17:39:02] <monrad> chet: did you follow the guide on the mailinglist?
[19-Mar-2007 17:39:36] <chet> Roughly.
[19-Mar-2007 17:40:20] <chet> I did need to use Ian's fix to get around the IpNetwork issue.
[19-Mar-2007 17:42:31] <monrad> that was the problem i ran into
[19-Mar-2007 17:45:10] <monrad> ahh i did not see that fix
[19-Mar-2007 17:45:12] <chet> twisted 2.5 is giving me problems with cmd data modelling..
[19-Mar-2007 17:45:48] <monrad> maybe i should give it a day or two
[19-Mar-2007 17:47:17] <chet> Probably.
[19-Mar-2007 17:47:27] <monrad> but thats not as fun
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[19-Mar-2007 20:46:03] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, hey
[19-Mar-2007 20:46:10] <_chris_> hey Snake-Eyes
[19-Mar-2007 20:46:36] <Snake-Eyes> how are things ?
[19-Mar-2007 20:48:11] <Snake-Eyes> I'm debating whether to put this changed zenoss plugin under my thread in zenoss-users or in the new zenoss-dev
[19-Mar-2007 20:48:54] <_chris_> things are good. pretty busy lately. how're things down in .au?
[19-Mar-2007 20:49:05] <_chris_> i'd push it over into zenoss-dev
[19-Mar-2007 20:52:18] <Snake-Eyes> alright, moving zenoss over to our soon to be production area
[19-Mar-2007 20:53:04] <Snake-Eyes> realised yesterday that zenoss apache plugin wouldnt work seeing most of our machines when running apache, run apache-ssl
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[19-Mar-2007 20:56:14] <Snake-Eyes> so I rewrote/added another collector for apache-ssl, with my limited python knowledge
[19-Mar-2007 21:01:09] <_chris_> nice! you should post that up on zenoss-dev!
[19-Mar-2007 21:11:07] <Snake-Eyes>
[19-Mar-2007 21:13:36] <Snake-Eyes> got remake the zenplugin deb again with the new common.py
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[19-Mar-2007 23:00:15] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, btw i posted the new collector (apache-ssl) for zenossplugin
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[20-Mar-2007 03:34:33] <Snake-Eyes> bah the InterfaceCollector stats it grabs from /proc/net/dev are max/overall stats not per second
[20-Mar-2007 03:53:55] <Snake-Eyes> hmm could tie it into uptime
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[20-Mar-2007 09:42:42] <chet> Does anyone know of a good way to run python-2.4 on CentOS 4?
[20-Mar-2007 09:43:04] <_chris_> chet: doesn't CentOS 4 come with python 2.4?
[20-Mar-2007 09:44:52] <_chris_> [chris@tilde ~]$ cat /etc/redhat-release
[20-Mar-2007 09:44:52] <_chris_> CentOS release 4.3 (Final)
[20-Mar-2007 09:44:52] <_chris_> [chris@tilde ~]$ python
[20-Mar-2007 09:44:53] <_chris_> Python 2.4.3 (#2, Jun 16 2006, 13:05:41)
[20-Mar-2007 09:45:11] <_chris_> oh wait
[20-Mar-2007 09:45:19] <_chris_> that must be something we built for ourselves
[20-Mar-2007 09:45:33] <_chris_> [chris@tilde ~]$ rpm -qa | grep python
[20-Mar-2007 09:45:39] <_chris_> python-2.3.4-14.2
[20-Mar-2007 09:45:47] <_chris_> we musta just built it from the source tarballs on python.org
[20-Mar-2007 09:47:57] <chet> yeah.. centos comes with 2.3.4
[20-Mar-2007 09:48:08] <chet> I should probably just stick a local copy in /opt/zenoss somewhere.
[20-Mar-2007 09:53:22] <_chris_> ours is in /usr/local/bin
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[20-Mar-2007 19:04:31] <Snake-Eyes> morning _chris_
[20-Mar-2007 19:04:41] <Snake-Eyes>
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[20-Mar-2007 19:13:21] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, did you write the zenoss plugins ?
[20-Mar-2007 19:13:31] <_chris_> Snake-Eyes: yup
[20-Mar-2007 19:15:01] <_chris_> they're on version 2 now
[20-Mar-2007 19:15:06] <_chris_> i would like to work on version 3
[20-Mar-2007 19:15:15] <_chris_> which will make it so that you don't have to install any software on the remote
[20-Mar-2007 19:15:27] <_chris_> but i haven't had the time
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[20-Mar-2007 19:16:41] <Snake-Eyes> ah ok
[20-Mar-2007 19:17:14] <Snake-Eyes> i was wondering, I noticed last night that in zenoss plugins 1.1.1
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[20-Mar-2007 19:22:17] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, last night I noticed that the network interface plugin is abit usless in its currect form, as the data it grabs from /proc/net/dev will always go up and is a total of all network traffic sent
[20-Mar-2007 19:22:40] <_chris_> are you referring to linux2.py?
[20-Mar-2007 19:22:45] <Snake-Eyes> yup
[20-Mar-2007 19:23:38] <Snake-Eyes> i was going to take the data it gets and divide it by the uptime, unless I'm ment to use it another way ?
[20-Mar-2007 19:23:50] <_chris_> ya -
[20-Mar-2007 19:23:55] <_chris_> it's the total of all network traffic sent
[20-Mar-2007 19:24:00] <_chris_> and then rrd calculates the rate for us
[20-Mar-2007 19:24:13] <_chris_> the types of the ifInOctets, ifOutOctets, etc is "COUNTER"
[20-Mar-2007 19:24:19] <_chris_> meaning it's always increasing
[20-Mar-2007 19:24:20] <Snake-Eyes> err
[20-Mar-2007 19:24:25] <Snake-Eyes> ah
[20-Mar-2007 19:24:46] <Snake-Eyes> i didnt set it to counter
[20-Mar-2007 19:25:51] <Snake-Eyes> thanks, didnt want to fiddle some more with python
[20-Mar-2007 19:27:12] <_chris_>
[20-Mar-2007 19:27:20] <_chris_> i've borked up the GAUGE/COUNTER thing before
[20-Mar-2007 19:27:27] <_chris_> got some really squirrely graphs too!
[20-Mar-2007 19:27:28] <_chris_>
[20-Mar-2007 19:27:38] <Snake-Eyes> hehe
[20-Mar-2007 19:30:17] <Snake-Eyes> how does zenoss (via ssh) tell if a service is up? cause i noticed that on machines with firewalls, it detects the service exists but soon as i set it to monitor, the service is reported down after few mins or so
[20-Mar-2007 19:34:02] <Snake-Eyes> hmm i should set ssCpu to Derive
[20-Mar-2007 19:38:59] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, is the a way to get dashboard to show more than just crit and error ?
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[20-Mar-2007 20:25:49] <Snake-Eyes> damn zenoss is detecting the speed of my network card as 0,
[20-Mar-2007 20:30:57] <Snake-Eyes> I cant use here.speed for any of the thresholds cause all machines using ssh, it thinks the speed is 0
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[21-Mar-2007 00:51:41] <spekul> morning
[21-Mar-2007 00:51:55] <spekul> still i have this question..
[21-Mar-2007 00:52:04] <spekul> maybe youre already tired
[21-Mar-2007 00:52:58] <spekul> i have a graph, calculation 95%ile for traffic account with a custom graph
[21-Mar-2007 00:53:32] <spekul> now i want to calculate the total sum of bytes sent in the currently displayed timeinterval
[21-Mar-2007 00:54:04] <spekul> when i manually call rrdtool, i supply --start and --end parameters for specifying this interval
[21-Mar-2007 00:54:22] <spekul> when zooming on the graph in zenoss, this interval grows or shrinks
[21-Mar-2007 00:55:08] <spekul> is there a way to reach this variable in the custom field so it gets replaced by the current time interval displayed?
[21-Mar-2007 00:55:20] <spekul> to be exact with an example:
[21-Mar-2007 00:55:27] <spekul> VDEF:in95=ifInBits,95,PERCENT
[21-Mar-2007 00:55:40] <spekul> this does the 95% calculation *wow*
[21-Mar-2007 00:56:13] <spekul> so i get the average bandwidth used per second
[21-Mar-2007 00:56:21] <spekul> i want to sum this like
[21-Mar-2007 00:56:48] <spekul> VDEF:in95total=in95,<TIMEINTERVAL>,*
[21-Mar-2007 00:57:24] <spekul> i dont know how to insert TIMEINTERVAL to map to what is currently selected with the magnifying glasses
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[21-Mar-2007 07:21:58] <monrad> hmm i still had no luck in updating to the new db
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[21-Mar-2007 13:08:57] <markw_> ok, question. I've got zenoss running on a RHEL 4 box. It
[21-Mar-2007 13:08:57] <markw_> starts, it runs, it discovers stuff. All is well, but... I go
[21-Mar-2007 13:08:57] <markw_> under the OS tab and it shows services running. 1, it doesn't
[21-Mar-2007 13:08:57] <markw_> show httpd which is running, and 2, it won't let me change some
[21-Mar-2007 13:09:06] <markw_> of the services from false to true for monitoring. any ideas?
[21-Mar-2007 13:09:32] <markw_> that's a pretty ugly cut and paste from our lug channel eh?
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[21-Mar-2007 13:37:13] <chet> markw_: You'll probably notice that the ones you can't change are only running on 127.0.0.1
[21-Mar-2007 13:37:29] <chet> Zenoss can't monitor those since they're only listening on the localhost adapter.
[21-Mar-2007 13:41:43] <chet> httpd is a special case.. due to the way it binds to support IPv4 and IPv6 at the same time, zenoss doesn't discover it properly.
[21-Mar-2007 13:42:18] <chet> If you change "Listen 80" to "Listen 0.0.0.0:80" in your httpd.conf file to disable the IPv6 support zenoss will discover it.
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[21-Mar-2007 19:59:34] <bsmith> ullo' /
[21-Mar-2007 20:24:06] <Snake-Eyes> hey
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[21-Mar-2007 21:27:17] <cdillardhsp> hi all
[21-Mar-2007 21:28:58] <cdillardhsp> I have an install of zenoss 1.1.1-0 on CentOS 4.4 and my graphs are all empty - actually they don't show up at all
[21-Mar-2007 21:29:16] <cdillardhsp> snmpwalk gives good results on all of my hosts
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[21-Mar-2007 21:32:29] <cdillardhsp> anyone got any ideas?
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[21-Mar-2007 22:15:30] <chet> cdillardhsp: restart zenperfsnmp and wait 15 minutes.
[21-Mar-2007 22:32:25] <Snake-Eyes> if you're using ssh as the transport procotol and have snmp and portscan plugins ignored, how does zenoss tell if a service is up or down?
[21-Mar-2007 22:33:01] <Snake-Eyes> I noticed that soon as i put up firewalls or the like on the remote machine, zenoss cant tell if theservice is up
[21-Mar-2007 22:53:47] <bsmith> services are probably detected via portscan primarily
[21-Mar-2007 22:54:04] <bsmith> but I'm not sure. i'm a noob at this app, but learning fast thru trial and error
[21-Mar-2007 23:01:54] <bsmith> anyone happen to know if i can get away with running two instances of 'zendisc' on two different sections of network at the same time?
[21-Mar-2007 23:06:49] <cdillardhsp> all of the names of the files in /perf/Devices/server1/os/interfaces/eth0 have duplicated names
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[21-Mar-2007 23:23:53] <cdillardhsp> anyone ever seen this before?
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[22-Mar-2007 00:07:33] <cdillardhsp> anyone here?
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[22-Mar-2007 00:11:51] <bsmith> just me
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[22-Mar-2007 00:16:23] <cdillardhsp> can you help me real quick?
[22-Mar-2007 00:16:50] <bsmith> i'll try. i'm kinda new here , but shoot
[22-Mar-2007 00:17:49] <cdillardhsp> none of my graphs are working. all of the snmp info from my target hosts is good in zenoss. I have noticed that the rrd files in ../perf/Devices have duplicate names. wondering if that could be part of the problem
[22-Mar-2007 00:18:58] <cdillardhsp> like this: ifOperStatus_ifOperStatus.rrd
[22-Mar-2007 00:19:05] <bsmith> well i don't know what caused it, but I think i know what i'd do...
[22-Mar-2007 00:19:12] <cdillardhsp> seems like they should be ifOperStatus.rrd
[22-Mar-2007 00:19:35] <bsmith> i'd probably try and remove those hosts, then rm any extra rrds, then add them back thru discovery, or device-add...
[22-Mar-2007 00:19:41] <bsmith> but that's totally off-the-cuff
[22-Mar-2007 00:20:00] <cdillardhsp> I'll try that but these were all newly added devices
[22-Mar-2007 00:20:07] <bsmith> are you using 1.1.1 ?
[22-Mar-2007 00:20:10] <cdillardhsp> yep
[22-Mar-2007 00:22:24] <Snake-Eyes> um ive noticed with snmp in zenoss, it tends to give the doulbe naming like that
[22-Mar-2007 00:23:06] <cdillardhsp> if all of the snmp data is good, why wouldn't the graphs show?
[22-Mar-2007 00:23:28] <Snake-Eyes> how long has it been runing for ?
[22-Mar-2007 00:23:40] <cdillardhsp> just an hour or so
[22-Mar-2007 00:24:22] <bsmith> they don't show up immediately, so perhaps they'll show up shortly.
[22-Mar-2007 00:24:43] <bsmith> but an hour would seem sufficient even at lower granularity settings
[22-Mar-2007 00:24:58] <cdillardhsp> yep
[22-Mar-2007 00:25:15] <cdillardhsp> and I've restarted the daemons a few times, plus run zenperfsnmp
[22-Mar-2007 00:25:33] <Snake-Eyes> i use zencommand , but you can try "zenperfsnmp run -v 10 -d machinesname"
[22-Mar-2007 00:26:49] <Snake-Eyes> i assume snmpwalk works fine
[22-Mar-2007 00:26:55] <cdillardhsp> yep
[22-Mar-2007 00:27:10] <cdillardhsp> I'm seeing disk utilization, all interface names, installed software, etc
[22-Mar-2007 00:27:46] <Snake-Eyes> if you look in perfConf
[22-Mar-2007 00:28:15] <Snake-Eyes> do you see datasources and graphs?
[22-Mar-2007 00:28:45] <cdillardhsp> yep
[22-Mar-2007 00:29:00] <cdillardhsp> and they all show the 'double names' in the graph section
[22-Mar-2007 00:29:07] <Snake-Eyes> eg Datasource aLoadInt5 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.5.2 and 0 Load Average 5 min laLoadInt5_laLoadInt5
[22-Mar-2007 00:29:15] <Snake-Eyes> yep, thats fine
[22-Mar-2007 00:29:54] <Snake-Eyes> did you say there was a graph with no data, or no graph at all ?
[22-Mar-2007 00:30:07] <cdillardhsp> no graph at all
[22-Mar-2007 00:31:51] <Snake-Eyes> I would try stopping zenoss compltetly (make sure theres no process hanging around after zenoss has stopped) then start it again
[22-Mar-2007 00:31:59] <bsmith> quick question, is there a 'batch' method by which i can take like 100 machines and add them to the same 'System' grouping?
[22-Mar-2007 00:32:06] <Snake-Eyes> and wait a few mins
[22-Mar-2007 00:32:14] <cdillardhsp> will try that
[22-Mar-2007 00:32:17] <bsmith> or, all machines of certain hostname prefix for that matter.
[22-Mar-2007 00:32:25] <cdillardhsp> meanwhile I've posted to the forums
[22-Mar-2007 00:32:34] <cdillardhsp> thanks for your help
[22-Mar-2007 00:32:56] <Snake-Eyes> bsmith, dunno, i did see something in the forums about command line to do something similiarly
[22-Mar-2007 00:33:09] <bsmith> yea. what is the cli named anyway?
[22-Mar-2007 00:33:14] <bsmith> i haven't played with that yet.
[22-Mar-2007 00:33:30] <bsmith> i was thinking i could probably go into mysql and do some fu there.
[22-Mar-2007 00:33:44] <bsmith> yea . i do recall seeing that in the forums.. i'll go back and look... thanks
[22-Mar-2007 00:34:10] <Snake-Eyes> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1480&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
[22-Mar-2007 00:34:10] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Mass Location Update ... How ?? (at community.zenoss.com)
[22-Mar-2007 00:34:31] <bsmith> that's what i'm talking about, a cmd shell. nice
[22-Mar-2007 00:34:42] <bsmith> I'm going to have alot of fun with zenoss i hope
[22-Mar-2007 00:35:13] <bsmith> I have a discovery script running right now that has ~500 pushed in, and will probably be ~1000 hosts by morning.
[22-Mar-2007 00:35:36] <Snake-Eyes> now i got figure out how this python stuff works, altering zenoss plugin to give total free space (buffer+real+cache)
[22-Mar-2007 00:35:48] <Snake-Eyes> wow hehe
[22-Mar-2007 00:39:26] <bsmith> so the functionality i want is fixed in r4087, which means i'll probably spend time tomorrow converting to CVS builds
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[22-Mar-2007 06:42:06] <monrad> chet: around?
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[22-Mar-2007 11:49:32] <DXManiac> Hi all.. I've tried adding some commands to the EventManager, but they aren't executed..
[22-Mar-2007 11:49:46] <DXManiac> any ideas, where I could look what went wront?
[22-Mar-2007 11:49:49] <DXManiac> wrong even
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[22-Mar-2007 19:25:42] <cappy> the zendisc util doesn't work 100% of the time
[22-Mar-2007 19:25:47] <cappy> even if the snmp com is correct
[22-Mar-2007 19:27:57] <bsmith> hrm.. i just ran a script w/ a bunch of ./zendiscs and i think i got everthing
[22-Mar-2007 19:28:11] <bsmith> and that was in the neighborhood of 1000 hosts
[22-Mar-2007 19:28:27] <cappy> not me
[22-Mar-2007 19:28:37] <bsmith> however i will say that the initial discovery doesn't do as much as later 'Collect now' runs...
[22-Mar-2007 19:28:39] <cappy> it just keeps going through the list saying "no snmp found for ip = xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"
[22-Mar-2007 19:28:45] <bsmith> and I need to know how to bring them all up to date.
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:05] <bsmith> and of course you know those machines are up and have snmp running, correct community etc.
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:09] <bsmith> it's just like intermittent?
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:25] <cappy> yeah
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:28] <cappy> something like that
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:37] <bsmith> are the targets in question heavily loaded?
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:38] <cappy> and it's not very intermittent
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:42] <cappy> out of a class c range
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:46] <cappy> i get maybe 5 hosts
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:49] <cappy> nah
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[22-Mar-2007 19:29:58] <bsmith> hrm. that's no good.
[22-Mar-2007 19:30:05] <cappy> no it's not
[22-Mar-2007 19:30:09] <cappy> it's quite irritating
[22-Mar-2007 19:30:26] <cappy> it picks up hosts i don't want it to pick up and it won't pick up hosts i want it to pick up
[22-Mar-2007 19:31:57] <bsmith> how are you separating the two?
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:02] <bsmith> pickup/nopickup
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:09] <cappy> i'm not
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:14] <cappy> i just run a zendisc on the entire class
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:15] <cappy> and let it go
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:25] <bsmith> ./zendisc run --net 10.16.172.0
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:26] <cappy> it just picks up things i wasn't expecting it to pick up
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:31] <cappy> pretty much
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:42] <bsmith> why wouldn you expect it to not pick something up?
[22-Mar-2007 19:33:03] <bsmith> mine walks the switch fine, but not the switches vrrp IP's which don't speak snmp;
[22-Mar-2007 19:33:19] <bsmith> and hits every host (net-snmp 5.1 and 5.2 clients on linux)
[22-Mar-2007 19:35:14] <bsmith> what sort of hosts do you have?
[22-Mar-2007 19:35:37] <cappy> just linux hosts
[22-Mar-2007 19:35:40] <cappy> and some management interfaces
[22-Mar-2007 19:35:49] <cappy> but the net i'm walking doesn't have management stuff
[22-Mar-2007 19:35:51] <cappy> so it's all linux hosts
[22-Mar-2007 19:36:17] <cappy> but the problem still remains i can't use zendisc properly
[22-Mar-2007 19:36:25] <cappy> i wish there was an alternate way of importing the hosts
[22-Mar-2007 19:37:13] <bsmith> there is i believe
[22-Mar-2007 19:37:23] <bsmith> if you can format up a list in xml
[22-Mar-2007 19:37:36] <bsmith> i believe there may even be a text way
[22-Mar-2007 19:38:05] <cappy> dunno bout xml part
[22-Mar-2007 19:38:07] <cappy> would like text
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[22-Mar-2007 20:10:31] <bsmith> anyone here that can talk scaling?
[22-Mar-2007 20:10:45] <bsmith> ie, which services to split out to a 2nd server.
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[23-Mar-2007 00:15:14] <bsmith> anybody lurking around?
[23-Mar-2007 02:27:18] <Snake-Eyes> yup
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[23-Mar-2007 09:50:48] <akemi> this zenoss stuff looks so neat, but i'm getting bogged down trying to set it all up
[23-Mar-2007 09:51:21] <chet> Yup.. setting it up is a huge project for sure.
[23-Mar-2007 09:53:19] <chet> Are you running into any problems, or is it just the amount of organization/input that's getting you down?
[23-Mar-2007 09:53:24] <akemi> we don't have any unix boxes
[23-Mar-2007 09:53:34] <akemi> i was trying with the vmplayer thing
[23-Mar-2007 09:53:59] <akemi> but i can't get it to see the snmp devices for some reason
[23-Mar-2007 09:54:06] <akemi> i'm thinking that the vmplayer thingisn't a very good test
[23-Mar-2007 09:56:37] <chet> I agree with you there. If you have any unix administration experience you'd probably be better off installing CentOS or something of that nature in a VM and installing Zenoss to it.
[23-Mar-2007 09:58:15] <chet> All of the community helpers on here and the mailing list have experience with this setup, and typically provide better answers.
[23-Mar-2007 09:58:49] <chet> However, if you don't have unix admin experience, and don't have the time/desire to gain some I'd really suggest that you look elsewhere for NMS.
[23-Mar-2007 10:00:07] <akemi> any suggestions
[23-Mar-2007 10:00:10] <akemi> ?
[23-Mar-2007 10:01:44] <chet> MOM or What's Up Gold are good for Windows only environments.
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[23-Mar-2007 10:22:05] <akemi> ok i'll look at them
[23-Mar-2007 10:23:32] <akemi> do you know what the best opensource/freeware one is?
[23-Mar-2007 10:23:39] <akemi> that will run under windows :|
[23-Mar-2007 10:31:56] <chet> Afraid not.. obviously open source developers concentrate more on open source operating systems.
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[23-Mar-2007 12:45:42] <Spec> zenoss was set up on this server before me, and i'm trying to "get it to work", but some of the services aren't starting, and there's a bunch of errors in the logfiles saying: "Column count doesn't match value count at row 1", where's a good place for documentation on troubleshooting this?
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[23-Mar-2007 12:48:07] <_chris_> Spec: you probably need to run zenmigrate
[23-Mar-2007 12:48:17] <_chris_> what version of zenoss do you have?
[23-Mar-2007 12:49:39] <Spec> looks like it's zenoss-1.1.0
[23-Mar-2007 12:49:44] <Spec> zenmigrate?
[23-Mar-2007 12:54:31] <_chris_> when column counts are wrong
[23-Mar-2007 12:54:40] <_chris_> it usually means your database is an old schema
[23-Mar-2007 12:54:46] <_chris_> and needs to be updated to be in sync with the software
[23-Mar-2007 12:54:50] <_chris_> as the zenoss user
[23-Mar-2007 12:54:52] <_chris_> cd ${ZENHOME}/bin
[23-Mar-2007 12:54:58] <_chris_> ./zenmigrate commit
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:04] <_chris_> it might be ./zenmigrate --commit
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:07] <_chris_> or ./zenmigrate run
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:11] <_chris_> or
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:12] <_chris_> ./zenmigrate run --commit
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:17] <_chris_> i don't recall because that changed recently
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:22] <_chris_> and i don't remember the old args
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:30] <_chris_> run zenmigrate --help and it'll tell you
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:33] <_chris_> give that a shot
[23-Mar-2007 12:57:03] <Spec> migration successful
[23-Mar-2007 12:57:57] <_chris_> do you still get the error?
[23-Mar-2007 12:58:09] <Spec>
[23-Mar-2007 12:58:10] <Spec> nope
[23-Mar-2007 12:58:12] <Spec> thanks much
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[23-Mar-2007 12:58:16] <_chris_> huzzah!
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:09] <Spec> so that vmplayer appliance image thingy on the zenoss website....
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:16] <_chris_> yup
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:19] <Spec> will that work with all vmware products? (esx/gsx/workstation)?
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:23] <_chris_> yup
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:25] <_chris_> well
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:27] <_chris_> with esx
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:38] <Spec> i see
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:38] <_chris_> i think you have to convert our image into their "optimized" format
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:46] <_chris_> but it's the same thing for everyone else's images
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:47] <Spec> with what tool?
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:56] <_chris_> the VMWare Infrastructure Client
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:58] <_chris_> or soemthing like that
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:01] <Spec> ah, ok,
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:03] <_chris_> we've just started poking around at ESX
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:07] <_chris_> i dunno how to use it
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:08] <Spec> we use esx
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:13] <_chris_> i just use the server
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:15] <Spec> i know how to use esx well,
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:30] <Spec> you just poke buttons and things work automagically, really
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:31] <_chris_> it'd be cool if you could post whatever steps you had to do to get our image to run in ESX
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:37] <_chris_> to zenoss-dev@zenoss.com
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:40] <_chris_> right -
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:44] <_chris_> we don't know the buttons to poke
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:46] <Spec> well, i haven't touched the image, i was setting it up manually
[23-Mar-2007 13:01:02] <Spec> but i think i'll try it out, just 'cause i've got it set up and others may learn from the experience
[23-Mar-2007 13:03:01] <_chris_> i seem to recall us talking about having to rekajigger the kernel
[23-Mar-2007 13:03:05] <_chris_> to be optimized for ESX
[23-Mar-2007 13:03:07] <_chris_> can't recall tho
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[23-Mar-2007 14:00:02] <Spec> so zenoss gets all of it's data (cpu/proc list/etc) via snmp?
[23-Mar-2007 14:00:35] <bsmith> well i think i blew my zope indexes somehow.. lame
[23-Mar-2007 14:01:07] <bsmith> anyone know when 1.2 is slated for?
[23-Mar-2007 14:04:17] <monrad> look at the roadmap
[23-Mar-2007 14:04:47] <monrad> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/roadmap
[23-Mar-2007 14:04:47] <adytum-bot> Title: Roadmap - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[23-Mar-2007 14:04:47] <bsmith> thanks
[23-Mar-2007 14:05:00] <bsmith> dunno how i missed that
[23-Mar-2007 14:11:50] <bsmith> here's a question i don't think i've seen on explicitly on the forums... when you do a discovery, I believe the expected behaviour is to not look at HOST-RESOURCES, eg, it only gets a subset of the full snmp pull...
[23-Mar-2007 14:12:26] <bsmith> and then when I move a box from /Discovered to /Systems/Linux (or otherwise) , then I can 'Collect' against it and get more info, such as the RPM list on the software tab.
[23-Mar-2007 14:13:03] <bsmith> am i missing an automated way of getting all of that info? or will it poll in the next X hours, and get that stuff?
[23-Mar-2007 14:13:25] <bsmith> zendmd commands?
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[23-Mar-2007 14:44:38] <Spec> so...anyone wanna clarify this crazy snmp stuff for me?
[23-Mar-2007 14:44:58] <bsmith> at it's basic?
[23-Mar-2007 14:45:41] <bsmith> SNMPd (net-snmp pkg on linux) listens on port :161 of your boxes, and switches/routers , etc if config'd right.
[23-Mar-2007 14:45:47] <bsmith> too basic?
[23-Mar-2007 14:47:39] <Spec> nope
[23-Mar-2007 14:47:47] <Spec> i mean, i knew that
[23-Mar-2007 14:48:09] <Spec> I don't know how much configuration is necessary on the boxes-to-be-monitored
[23-Mar-2007 14:48:11] <bsmith> you have your community names straight between zenoss and your devices?
[23-Mar-2007 14:48:14] <Spec> net-snmp? it's not snmpd?
[23-Mar-2007 14:48:29] <bsmith> net-snmp is the name of the package that contains snmpd.. on RH variants anyway
[23-Mar-2007 14:48:32] <bsmith> what linux are you running?
[23-Mar-2007 14:48:35] <Spec> debian
[23-Mar-2007 14:49:11] <bsmith> ok, snmpd on debian, yea
[23-Mar-2007 14:49:14] <Spec> So how do you configure snmpd for zenoss?
[23-Mar-2007 14:49:23] <Spec> 'snmpconf'?
[23-Mar-2007 14:49:37] <bsmith> zProperties tab.. or lemme check here...
[23-Mar-2007 14:49:59] <Spec> does snmpd need to run on the zenoss box and the other box that's going to be monitored?
[23-Mar-2007 14:50:35] <bsmith> Devices in the UI -> zProperties
[23-Mar-2007 14:50:44] <bsmith> on the monitored box
[23-Mar-2007 14:51:11] <bsmith> if you run on your zenoss box:
[23-Mar-2007 14:51:17] <bsmith> ./zenoss status
[23-Mar-2007 14:51:28] <bsmith> you should see (among other things):
[23-Mar-2007 14:51:36] <bsmith> Daemon: zenperfsnmp program running; pid=22843
[23-Mar-2007 14:52:07] <bsmith> you'll probably want to run snmpd on your zenoss server too, but it's not expressly necessary in order to model clients
[23-Mar-2007 14:52:40] <Spec> everything's running on the zenoss-box
[23-Mar-2007 14:52:57] <Spec> so what needs to be done on the clients?
[23-Mar-2007 14:53:38] <bsmith> snmpd needs to run on your clients, with the same community string defined in snmpd.conf
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:16] <bsmith> if all your ducks are in a row, then you can run ./zendisc run --net x.x.x.x against a network and get everything
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:17] <Spec> so a very-very simple config file for snmpd is fine?
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:22] <bsmith> yup
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:25] <chet> bsmith: zenmodeler runs every 12 hours by default and will model the extended attributes of your devices if you move them into the appropriate class.
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:34] <bsmith> nice, thanks chet.
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:51] <bsmith> also, chet. i saw some irc logs from last december i think where you were looking to do distributed perf
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:55] <bsmith> how did that work out for you?
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:55] <chet> spec: Something as simple as "rocommunity public" in /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf works fine.
[23-Mar-2007 14:55:06] <chet> bsmith: It works fine.
[23-Mar-2007 14:55:20] <Spec> should i be able to snmpwalk to that computer from the zenoss box?
[23-Mar-2007 14:55:23] <bsmith> cool. i'll likely need to spread the laod if I keep at this
[23-Mar-2007 14:55:28] <bsmith> yes
[23-Mar-2007 14:55:51] <chet> Spec: yes.. snmpwalk -v2c -c public <target> system
[23-Mar-2007 14:55:58] <bsmith> do you have a firewall on that box?
[23-Mar-2007 14:56:45] <Spec> no, not between the two
[23-Mar-2007 14:56:50] <Spec> i'm getting no response
[23-Mar-2007 14:56:51] <Spec> from the client
[23-Mar-2007 14:57:03] <Spec> (on zenoss-box: snmpwalk -v2c -c public 192.168.10.48 system)
[23-Mar-2007 14:58:08] <Spec> what is "netstat -anp|grep -i snmp" on the client supposed to return?
[23-Mar-2007 14:58:27] <Spec> because it looks like snmpd is only "listening" to requests on 127.0.0.1:161
[23-Mar-2007 14:58:54] <chet> odd, that must be a debian thing
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:00] <chet> See if you have /etc/defaults/snmpd
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:06] <bsmith> there ya go
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:24] <Spec> hehe
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:24] <Spec>
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:33] <bsmith> so. i corrupted my zeodb i think.
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:53] <Spec> woohoo, snmpwalk
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:55] <chet> Why?
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:56] <bsmith> if reindex() doesn't fix it, do i stand much hope?
[23-Mar-2007 15:00:10] <chet> Perhaps, I've recovered from some ugly stuff with enough digging.
[23-Mar-2007 15:00:13] <chet> What's your exception?
[23-Mar-2007 15:00:29] <bsmith> well. i've seen python traces come thru the interfaces eluding to index problems
[23-Mar-2007 15:00:43] <chet> Could you pastebin it?
[23-Mar-2007 15:00:57] <bsmith> This is my first couple of days with the app so i'v been "putting it thru it's paces" being very hard on it
[23-Mar-2007 15:01:08] <bsmith> if i can recreate i'll paste
[23-Mar-2007 15:01:23] <chet> It's good to learn how to fix hideous problems before you've put a ton of time into data input.
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:13] <bsmith> basically i also saw wrong hostnames show up in other records and that didn't seem like a good thing
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:13] <bsmith> I'm probably going to try and re-install and rediscover my whole network. as I'm stil in pre-prod evaluation mode.. i can do that
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:13] <bsmith> will take 30 hours to re-walk i figure.
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:28] <bsmith> agreed.
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:38] <bsmith> I will put some time in attempting to fix before resorting to that
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:43] <bsmith> i have ~1100 hosts
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:49] <bsmith> here is a trace:
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:50] <bsmith> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 77, in processClient changed = self._applyDataMap(device, datamap) File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 118, in _applyDataMap changed = self._updateRelationship(tobj, datamap) File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 131, in _updateRelationship rel = getattr(device, rname, None) File "u
[23-Mar-2007 15:04:16] <bsmith> Connection.py", line 701, in setstate ConnectionStateError: Shouldn't load state for 0x01220f when the connection is closed
[23-Mar-2007 15:04:46] <bsmith> definite index problem.. in the area below that.. (this was a 'Collect' i was running..)
[23-Mar-2007 15:05:01] <bsmith> i see elements from two differnt hosts
[23-Mar-2007 15:05:13] <chet> wow.. that is bad.
[23-Mar-2007 15:05:27] <bsmith> yea. next time i will take an immediate backup after getting discovered
[23-Mar-2007 15:05:33] <bsmith> for starters
[23-Mar-2007 15:05:45] <bsmith> i like what this app has to offer, i really want to see it work
[23-Mar-2007 15:05:57] <chet> If it takes you 30 hours to model the network in the first place, you should make sure that zenmodeler isn't running in daemon mode.
[23-Mar-2007 15:06:11] <bsmith> oh yea?
[23-Mar-2007 15:06:26] <bsmith> as in, it will be faster? or in , it's a bad idea?
[23-Mar-2007 15:06:36] <chet> It tries to make a pass every 12 hours under normal circumstances.. you don't want it stepping on its own toes.
[23-Mar-2007 15:06:43] <bsmith> ah.
[23-Mar-2007 15:06:50] <bsmith> last time i split it into two lads
[23-Mar-2007 15:06:53] <bsmith> loads
[23-Mar-2007 15:06:56] <bsmith> thanks for the tip
[23-Mar-2007 15:07:42] <bsmith> can I do a non-snmp discovery faster, and then let the 12 hour run bring everything up to date?
[23-Mar-2007 15:08:19] <bsmith> no biggie anyway this time. i have to leave town this weekend, and can let a script-in-screen run go crazy
[23-Mar-2007 15:10:25] <bsmith> thanks for the help chet.. I'll be continuing the eval this
[23-Mar-2007 15:10:50] <bsmith> I expect to have ~3000 hosts in no time.
[23-Mar-2007 15:13:17] <chet> That'll be a good test. I don't know of anyone with that many devices at this point.
[23-Mar-2007 15:13:34] <chet> Make sure you subscribe to the users mailing list if you haven't already.
[23-Mar-2007 15:13:41] <bsmith> you see why i asked about your perf breakout ?
[23-Mar-2007 15:13:47] <bsmith> will do
[23-Mar-2007 15:15:44] <monrad> which kind of hosts?
[23-Mar-2007 15:18:00] <bsmith> all linux, handful of SUN, S50 switches
[23-Mar-2007 15:18:20] <bsmith> possibly juniper routers, and some other devices... but mostly net-snmp on RH/FC/CentOS
[23-Mar-2007 15:35:46] <Spec> the hostname of the box that zenoss was originally set up on was changed....but when I go to the Dashboard I see the old hostname(domainname) under "Devices with Events", but it's not underlined/clickable, and I can't see it under the "Devices" menu, so how can I get rid of the device?
[23-Mar-2007 15:36:04] <chet> Go to the "Event Manager" and clear heartbeats
[23-Mar-2007 15:36:25] <Spec> still there
[23-Mar-2007 15:36:43] <chet> Then go to "Events" and move any events associated to the old address into history.
[23-Mar-2007 15:37:11] <Spec> ah, thanks
[23-Mar-2007 15:37:37] <chet> Changing the hostname of the zenoss system can be one of the more painful things to do. =}
[23-Mar-2007 15:37:51] <Spec> well, it seems all good now
[23-Mar-2007 15:46:06] <Spec> so what do you need to do to bring up the 'software' and 'hardware' information in the tabs for a particular system?
[23-Mar-2007 15:46:31] <bsmith> Spec, are the systems still in /Discovered ?
[23-Mar-2007 15:46:36] <Spec> no
[23-Mar-2007 15:46:54] <Spec> also, how do I make it discover all systems on a subnet?
[23-Mar-2007 15:47:06] <bsmith> ./zendisc run --net x.x.x.x
[23-Mar-2007 15:47:14] <bsmith> as uid zenoss from ./zenoss/bin
[23-Mar-2007 15:47:39] <Spec> and that'll put the new machines into /Discovered?
[23-Mar-2007 15:47:43] <bsmith> yup.
[23-Mar-2007 15:48:03] <bsmith> so, you can't get the HW/SW info during that discovery if i understand correct.
[23-Mar-2007 15:48:19] <Spec> the zendisc one?
[23-Mar-2007 15:48:23] <bsmith> you have to move them, and then wait and let the discovery service finish the job. this is what i've learned
[23-Mar-2007 15:48:29] <bsmith> yup
[23-Mar-2007 15:48:46] <Spec> so i just wait (a while?) for this zendisc to finish?
[23-Mar-2007 15:48:48] <bsmith> or else go into individual devices and do 'Collect' from the manage menu
[23-Mar-2007 15:49:01] <Spec> i did 'Collect' for a few things
[23-Mar-2007 15:49:03] <bsmith> yea. my Class-C's with ~40 hosts took ~30 minutes per
[23-Mar-2007 15:49:06] <Spec> I got the mountlist, for example,
[23-Mar-2007 15:49:18] <Spec> but I didn't get how much space was left
[23-Mar-2007 15:49:25] <bsmith> but that was because a couple of boxes had no snmp and therefore had to timeout
[23-Mar-2007 15:49:37] <Spec> lots of my boxes have no snmp and must timeout
[23-Mar-2007 15:49:38] <bsmith> right, i'm right there with ya spec
[23-Mar-2007 15:50:05] <chet> Spec: You won't get the free space stats until zenperfsnmp has had a chance to run over it.
[23-Mar-2007 15:50:17] <Spec> can i manually make zenperfsnmp do it's thing?
[23-Mar-2007 15:50:18] <chet> That's not actually part of modeling strangely enough.
[23-Mar-2007 15:50:23] <chet> Yeah.. zenperfsnmp restart
[23-Mar-2007 15:50:51] <chet> Still might take 10 or 15 minutes to get the RRD files into a usable state.
[23-Mar-2007 15:51:22] <Spec> So for one of the server's that's already under Devices/Server/Linux/Debian/foobarserver
[23-Mar-2007 15:51:36] <Spec> Clicking on "Collect" doesn't give me Hardware or Software information,
[23-Mar-2007 15:51:52] <Spec> do I have to run zendisc specifically against the ip of that host?
[23-Mar-2007 15:52:08] <chet> nope
[23-Mar-2007 15:52:31] <chet> That would just indicate that the system isn't exposing that information through SNMP.
[23-Mar-2007 15:53:32] <Spec> How do I get snmpd to expose all the information that zenoss can use?
[23-Mar-2007 15:56:08] <chet> For a Linux system, there's currently no good way to get hardware information out of snmp.
[23-Mar-2007 15:56:38] <bsmith> you mean like CPU type etc. right?
[23-Mar-2007 15:57:13] <bsmith> yea. like on my HP DL385's the snmpd is tweaked to call this:
[23-Mar-2007 15:57:16] <bsmith> dlmod cmaX /usr/lib64/libcmaX64.so
[23-Mar-2007 15:57:22] <bsmith> which gives you some cool stuff.
[23-Mar-2007 15:57:34] <bsmith> my 'off the shelf' boxes don't do that :/
[23-Mar-2007 15:59:48] <Spec> chet: what about software information?
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[23-Mar-2007 16:00:44] <chet> Make sure HRSWInstalledMap isn't listed in the zCollectorIgnorePlugins property of the device and that should work.
[23-Mar-2007 16:13:24] <bsmith> irc spammer, nice
[23-Mar-2007 16:13:37] <bsmith> class joint ya guys run here
[23-Mar-2007 16:13:42] <bsmith> j/k
[23-Mar-2007 16:16:27] <Spec> so...i've got process monitoring working fine
[23-Mar-2007 16:16:55] <bsmith> I'm doing initial discovery again on a fresh install
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:07] <bsmith> question: what is the minimum services i need running to do this.
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:26] <bsmith> after successful install there are only 2 services running, (probably fine)
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:26] <bsmith> Daemon: zeoctl program running; pid=7935
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:27] <bsmith> Daemon: zopectl program running; pid=8064
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:29] <Spec> so now that proc monitoring is working....how do I go about monitoring disk space usage/memory usage/cpu usage?
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:50] <chet> zeoctl and mysql are the only ones required to do the discovery.
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:58] <chet> zopectl if you want the web interface.
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:59] <bsmith> thanks chet.
[23-Mar-2007 16:18:10] <bsmith> have a good weekend everyone
[23-Mar-2007 16:18:22] <bsmith> i'm leaving everything else down until i've re-disc'd
[23-Mar-2007 16:18:28] <chet> Spec: Disk/CPU/Memory are probably already being monitored.
[23-Mar-2007 16:18:36] <bsmith> good luck Spec... we'll get there.
[23-Mar-2007 16:18:39] <Spec> how can I check?
[23-Mar-2007 16:18:42] <Spec> bsmith: good luck to you too
[23-Mar-2007 16:19:10] <Spec> on the "OS" tab I don't see any information about interfaces or routes, that's probably snmpd configuration stuff as well, right?
[23-Mar-2007 16:20:29] <Spec> for one server I can see the mount list and total bytes, but not used bytes/free bytes/% util, and on the zenoss-server's Device's entry, I cant' even see the mountlist
[23-Mar-2007 16:27:55] <Spec> zenperfsnmp no longer runs :-/
[23-Mar-2007 16:27:59] <Spec> and the log file is empty
[23-Mar-2007 16:28:09] <Spec> if I do "zenperfsnmp run" I get a traceback
[23-Mar-2007 16:29:05] <Spec> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11748/
[23-Mar-2007 16:29:07] <adytum-bot> Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[23-Mar-2007 16:29:25] <bsmith> wow.. neat paste app..how'd you do that?
[23-Mar-2007 16:29:38] <Spec> hmm?
[23-Mar-2007 16:29:53] <bsmith> never mind. i found the base page
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[23-Mar-2007 16:42:06] <bsmith> anyone on bulk adding networks to the dmd via zendmd or otherwise?
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[23-Mar-2007 17:37:49] <bsmith> ?
[23-Mar-2007 17:37:58] <bsmith> you pregnant Spec?
[23-Mar-2007 17:38:35] <x-spec-ting> nope, but i'm leaving
[23-Mar-2007 17:38:55] <x-spec-ting> i'm expecting to be back tuesday, i'll annoy ya'll with zenoss questions then
[23-Mar-2007 18:18:22] <bsmith> same for me x-spec
[23-Mar-2007 18:18:30] <bsmith> out of town until tuesday, then lots of zenoss
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[26-Mar-2007 09:33:19] <AliasNescio> Can anybody tell me how well zenoss scales, ballpark figures how many server monitored which what hardware
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[26-Mar-2007 09:50:26] <brendan_> Hello, i've got a bunch of servers and whatnot behind a firewall i need to monitor from outside the firewal, is there some sort of relay or agent for zenoss, or do i need to run zenoss inside the firewall
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[26-Mar-2007 10:49:24] <PerlStalker> brendan_: You need to put a monitor thing inside the firewall
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[26-Mar-2007 10:52:15] <PerlStalker> I have an issue with zensyslog I'd like to try and sort out.
[26-Mar-2007 10:52:42] <PerlStalker> I have zensyslog running on port 10514 and syslog-ng running on 514
[26-Mar-2007 10:53:05] <PerlStalker> My servers log to syslog-ng over the net and that gets thrown into MySQL
[26-Mar-2007 10:53:26] <PerlStalker> I'd like to send error and greater messages to zenoss, which I have setup
[26-Mar-2007 10:53:59] <PerlStalker> But ... when the messages hit zenoss, I lose all host information so I don't know where the message are coming from.
[26-Mar-2007 10:54:18] <PerlStalker> Is there something I can do about that within zensyslog or syslog-ng?
[26-Mar-2007 10:58:14] <PerlStalker> The simple solution would be to config my devices to log to the different port but few of devices have the option to set a port.
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[26-Mar-2007 11:00:45] <PerlStalker> And I don't want to bypass my SQL logging
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[26-Mar-2007 11:13:57] <chet> PerlStalker: syslog-ng does provide a way to do that if the --enable-spoof-source option is compiled in.. if you got a packaged version it likely is.
[26-Mar-2007 11:14:10] <chet> You can stick spoof_source(yes) in the destination stanza.
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[26-Mar-2007 11:14:44] <chet> like: destination zenoss { udp("127.0.0.1" port(10514) spoof_source(yes)); };
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[26-Mar-2007 11:15:29] <PerlStalker> I see.
[26-Mar-2007 11:16:25] <PerlStalker> Hmm. It seems the gentoo ebuild does not add that.
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[26-Mar-2007 11:19:35] <REdOG> PerlStalker: what ebuild do you have?
[26-Mar-2007 11:19:57] <PerlStalker> app-admin/syslog-ng/syslog-ng-1.6.11-r1.ebuild
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[26-Mar-2007 11:31:35] <REdOG> err, sry i ment of zenoss
[26-Mar-2007 11:32:00] <PerlStalker> I'm using zenoss 1.1.1 from source
[26-Mar-2007 11:32:14] <REdOG> k
[26-Mar-2007 11:33:04] <REdOG> the ebuild for 1.0.2 at bugs.gentoo.org is fubar
[26-Mar-2007 11:33:37] <PerlStalker> Gotcha
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[26-Mar-2007 11:48:16] <jp10558> Hi, I'm having some small issues with zenoss 1.1.1 on Scientific Linux 4 - specifically, the same thing is happening that happened with the VMWare image - I can get perf graphs for the machine it is installed on, but any other windows or linux machine I try, I get event errors with various bad OIDs listed
[26-Mar-2007 11:54:08] <jp10558> Is there any easy way to fix this? Or to find/install whatever it needs for that?
[26-Mar-2007 11:58:11] <AliasNescio> I want to know about zenoss' scaling how many server can be monitored
[26-Mar-2007 11:59:21] <chet> AliasNescio: There are a lot of factors involved with that question..
[26-Mar-2007 11:59:35] <chet> It depends on how many, and what type of data points you monitor on each server.
[26-Mar-2007 12:00:31] <chet> SNMP only performs very well. You can easily monitor over 200k data points on a modern server like a Dell 2850.
[26-Mar-2007 12:00:54] <AliasNescio> chet: lets say you monitor cpu load, mem use, disk use, plus 1-2 http pages perserver
[26-Mar-2007 12:02:42] <chet> The http pages are going to be the hit there. You could probably monitor 1000 of these servers off one 2850 like server..
[26-Mar-2007 12:03:13] <chet> Any more than that and you'd need another monitoring server, or to create a dedicated http monitoring daemon, which is in the works from what I hear.
[26-Mar-2007 12:03:39] <AliasNescio> i'm used to hp hadrware som 2850 doe not tell me very much can specify what that entails
[26-Mar-2007 12:04:14] <chet> Dual 3Ghz with hyperthreading.. 2+ GB of RAM.
[26-Mar-2007 12:04:32] <AliasNescio> ok, thanks
[26-Mar-2007 12:04:38] <chet> I only mention that because it's what I do most of my testing on.
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[26-Mar-2007 12:57:52] <jp10558> Is a Warning of No CMD plugins found on creating a new device a problem? I get this with every device I add
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[26-Mar-2007 13:24:12] <sobersabre> hi. some ... newbie q.-s
[26-Mar-2007 13:24:34] <sobersabre> is zenoss able to manage unified UNIX/windows users ?
[26-Mar-2007 13:26:09] <sobersabre> does the source distribution contain documentation ?
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[26-Mar-2007 13:31:28] <clippyoff> hi, is zenoss centralized or can I install event collecting agents on remote computers?
[26-Mar-2007 13:32:00] <clippyoff> for instance, can I plug in something that collects events remotely and ship the events to a zenoss server?
[26-Mar-2007 13:38:59] <sobersabre> I have asked a question... long ago.
[26-Mar-2007 13:39:14] <sobersabre> maybe the people's time zones are such they are asleep now.
[26-Mar-2007 13:41:11] <sobersabre> from what I've looked at... it seems server based.
[26-Mar-2007 13:41:21] <sobersabre> there's a collection server, and there are agents.
[26-Mar-2007 13:41:44] <sobersabre> maybe the central server can ( or will ) be replicated
[26-Mar-2007 13:42:03] <sobersabre> for fault tolerance & high availability.
[26-Mar-2007 13:42:26] <sobersabre> clippyoff, .. got me ?
[26-Mar-2007 13:42:51] <sobersabre> ( I am hoping to be proven wrong.. and maybe somebody hears this as bullshit and ... contradicts me... )
[26-Mar-2007 13:53:54] <jp10558> Anyone here use ZenWin?
[26-Mar-2007 13:53:59] <jp10558> and get it to work?
[26-Mar-2007 13:58:15] <clippyoff> sobersabre, yeah
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[26-Mar-2007 14:20:03] <sobersabre> jp10558, what doesn't work ?
[26-Mar-2007 14:20:08] <sobersabre> it is a WMI thing.
[26-Mar-2007 14:22:31] <jp10558> Basically I'm trying to figure out a way to get WMI and perf graphs to work
[26-Mar-2007 14:22:51] <jp10558> I get errors on perf graphs due to bad OID
[26-Mar-2007 14:23:02] <jp10558> for any machine but the zenoss server
[26-Mar-2007 14:23:25] <jp10558> on WMI issues - I get heartbeat down on ZenWin on the management server
[26-Mar-2007 14:23:36] <jp10558> and huge log files with file not found on the WMI server
[26-Mar-2007 14:27:30] <sobersabre> jp10558, do the wmi services run on the monitored machines ?
[26-Mar-2007 14:28:07] <sobersabre> jp10558, does the ZenWin zip file have a README etc. ?
[26-Mar-2007 14:28:29] <jp10558> I can connect with wbemtest
[26-Mar-2007 14:28:38] <jp10558> I've looked at the README, and the wiki
[26-Mar-2007 14:28:56] <jp10558> I've tried what was suggested, but I get nothing
[26-Mar-2007 14:29:51] <jp10558> I suppose WMI right now isn't so important, what's more vexing is the perf graphs not getting anything for CPU/memory use - anyone know how to fix the BAD OID error for the default graphs under perf tab?
[26-Mar-2007 14:35:21] <sobersabre> is it possible you're running some protection software on clients - like firewall/antivirus that blocks these things ?
[26-Mar-2007 14:36:11] <jp10558> No firewall - I am running SAV9 on windows clients - nothing running that I know of like those on the Linux clients
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[26-Mar-2007 14:41:40] <jp10558> I can get lots of data, but it seems that the perf OIDs are wrong - anyone know how to find out what they should be and fix them on the server?
[26-Mar-2007 14:42:30] <jp10558> For instance, I can get graphs of network use, HD used, etc - but nothing from CPU/Memory
[26-Mar-2007 14:58:32] <sobersabre> wierd.
[26-Mar-2007 14:58:46] <sobersabre> thank you... I'll beware this jabberwock.
[26-Mar-2007 14:58:53] <sobersabre> must leave
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[26-Mar-2007 15:19:29] <jreese> jp10558: did you install the snmp informant extension on your server?
[26-Mar-2007 15:22:49] <jp10558> I have on one of the test machines, that one also has blank cpu etc
[26-Mar-2007 15:23:25] <jp10558> Do I need to get something like informant for my Linux machines? And to get CPU use, I have to have informant on every windows machine? Would this be negated if I got WMI working?
[26-Mar-2007 15:23:36] <jreese> strange, the only issues i had was with the rrd files on the zenoss server being created... after i got those generated right everything worked
[26-Mar-2007 15:24:11] <jreese> i'm not sure :/, i just started using zenoss today, your issue looked similar to what i had
[26-Mar-2007 15:24:41] <jreese> i would imagine that linux would expose the cpu information in snmp without any plugins
[26-Mar-2007 15:25:39] <jp10558> rrd files? Those are the graphs?
[26-Mar-2007 15:25:58] <jreese> they hold the data for the graphs
[26-Mar-2007 15:25:59] <jp10558> if I have them for say HD and network use, then they would also presumably be working for CPU use right?
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[26-Mar-2007 15:26:25] <jreese> well, the file could be there, but it sounds like it's not able to get data for it
[26-Mar-2007 15:26:41] <jp10558> On all of my machines, Unix, Linux, Windows with and without informant (except the Zenoss server) I get BAD OID data error for CPU memory etc
[26-Mar-2007 15:26:55] <jp10558> is there any way to check what the OID should be on a machine?
[26-Mar-2007 15:28:10] <jreese> yeah, if you go to the perfconf tab on your device
[26-Mar-2007 15:28:29] <jreese> up at the top you'll see a "RRDTemplate @ /some/path" up at the top
[26-Mar-2007 15:28:46] <jreese> you can click the path and it'l show you all the OIDs it's going to try and query
[26-Mar-2007 15:31:03] <jp10558> Is there a way to figure out if the machines are publishing an OID for say CPU idle?
[26-Mar-2007 15:31:34] <jreese> you can do an snmp walk on the machine
[26-Mar-2007 15:32:11] <jreese> for your windows machine, do this...
[26-Mar-2007 15:32:31] <jreese> snmpwalk -v1 -c<community> <host> 1.3.6.1.4.1.9600
[26-Mar-2007 15:34:12] <jp10558> where do I get snmp walk? On WinXPSP2 and SL4 I get command not found
[26-Mar-2007 15:34:40] <jreese> where do you have zenoss installed?
[26-Mar-2007 15:35:57] <jp10558> On a SL4 machine - I tried on the terminal window in the Zenoss account, got BASH: snmpwalk: command not found
[26-Mar-2007 15:37:16] <jreese> hrm
[26-Mar-2007 15:37:25] <jreese> i used their vmware pre-configured environment
[26-Mar-2007 15:37:40] <jp10558> Ok - nevermind - it seems the first time I installed SNMP informant on my test windows machine it didn't work ...
[26-Mar-2007 15:37:48] <jp10558> now it is. What a waste of time !
[26-Mar-2007 15:38:08] <jreese> doh
[26-Mar-2007 15:38:46] <jp10558> Well, that was stupid - it said it worked before, second install on top, now I get graphs
[26-Mar-2007 15:39:03] <jp10558> ok, now I just need to see if I can graph something else too
[26-Mar-2007 15:40:11] <jreese> good luck
[26-Mar-2007 15:40:47] <jreese> i need to try and get it to graph some IIS snmp stats... probably going to have to write my own snmp plugin
[26-Mar-2007 15:40:58] <jreese> no idea hwo those are triggered right now though
[26-Mar-2007 15:41:02] <jreese> how*
[26-Mar-2007 15:42:30] <jp10558> yea, I still need to figure out why my Linux machines don't report anything useful
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[26-Mar-2007 16:32:12] <creiht> oubiwann: You around?
[26-Mar-2007 16:32:20] <oubiwann> creiht: yup
[26-Mar-2007 16:32:42] <creiht> oubiwann: I was just finally getting around to upgrading to 1.1.1
[26-Mar-2007 16:32:47] <creiht> But have run into this problem
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:06] <creiht> Loading initial Zenoss objects into the Zeo database
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:07] <creiht> (this can take a few minutes)
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:07] <creiht> zport portal object exits; exiting.
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:07] <creiht> Data migration failed
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:22] <creiht> This is from the install script
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:24] <oubiwann> hmmm... I haven't done the migration myself
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:35] <creiht> ok
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:38] <creiht> I'll rollback
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:41] <creiht> And send an email
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:43] <oubiwann> did you see the emails that Erik/Eric/Ian sent out last week or so?
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:49] <creiht> hmmm
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:57] <creiht> I saw about upgrading from svn
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:57] <oubiwann> they all addressed migration
[26-Mar-2007 16:34:05] <creiht> looking...
[26-Mar-2007 16:34:25] <oubiwann> IIRC, Eric had the definitive set of steps...
[26-Mar-2007 16:34:35] <oubiwann> it might have been on the dev list...
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[26-Mar-2007 16:46:08] <ivoks> howdy
[26-Mar-2007 16:46:41] <ivoks> may i ask why does zenoss requests NOPASSWD for /bin/kill?
[26-Mar-2007 16:47:20] <ivoks> i wanted to create .debs for ubuntu, but this doesn't look good :/
[26-Mar-2007 16:53:05] <oubiwann> ivoks: the guys that maintain that part of the code don't usually sit on channel here in IRC
[26-Mar-2007 16:53:15] <oubiwann> probably want to post that to the dev mail list
[26-Mar-2007 16:53:21] <ivoks> ok, thanks
[26-Mar-2007 16:53:21] <oubiwann> or forum
[26-Mar-2007 16:53:54] <oubiwann> anyone wanting to create .debs is going to be most welcome on the mail list ;-)
[26-Mar-2007 16:54:09] <oubiwann> (but everyone is welcome, of course :-)
[26-Mar-2007 16:54:20] <ivoks> yes, i've heard
[26-Mar-2007 16:55:19] <ivoks> anyway, with nopasswd for /bin/kill its unlikely it would get in main for ubuntu-server
[26-Mar-2007 16:55:36] <ivoks> but i'll raise that question on dev list
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[26-Mar-2007 18:58:02] <Tenkawa> is zenoss reliant on snmp?
[26-Mar-2007 18:59:04] <Tenkawa> snmp is the only discovery protocol listed .. is that normal?
[26-Mar-2007 18:59:18] <oubiwann> Tenkawa: it uses snmp extensively, but it's not limited to it
[26-Mar-2007 18:59:33] <oubiwann> I used it in a testing env for a while where there was no snmp
[26-Mar-2007 19:00:33] <Tenkawa> ok.. I'll read a bit more then
[26-Mar-2007 19:02:14] <Tenkawa> ok.. figured out at least part of my boneheadedness
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[26-Mar-2007 21:36:36] <MRWoofer> hey How does zenoss compare to opennms
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[26-Mar-2007 22:41:53] <Snake-Eyes> MRWoofer, i found zenoss to have features I needed and to be packaged compare opennms which requires a whole ton of packages to be installed which found unexceptable, and didnt cover some of needs as well
[26-Mar-2007 22:42:09] <Snake-Eyes> zenoss is alot easier to setup in my mind than opennms
[26-Mar-2007 22:43:59] <Snake-Eyes> not that opennms people aren't friendly it's just things like it need a whole of jave env stuff and adobe tools if you want the fancier look
[26-Mar-2007 22:47:23] <slocuk> jsut dld zenoss for the first time and having never used but attempted to install and configure opennsm I have to agree
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[27-Mar-2007 03:22:09] <yeled> hey
[27-Mar-2007 03:33:28] <yeled> im not quite sure how to enable TCP service checking
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[27-Mar-2007 03:33:42] <yeled> or what it does exactly
[27-Mar-2007 03:33:47] <yeled> a S/A to the port?
[27-Mar-2007 03:35:28] <yeled> the docs say smtp is default
[27-Mar-2007 03:35:34] <yeled> but it isnt being checked
[27-Mar-2007 03:44:49] <yeled> zTransportPreference perhaps
[27-Mar-2007 03:45:44] <yeled> aha
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[27-Mar-2007 05:20:19] <N[]VA> morning
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[27-Mar-2007 06:26:43] <yeled> re
[27-Mar-2007 06:27:26] <yeled> icant figure out how to add a port
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[27-Mar-2007 07:04:26] <xinit> hi
[27-Mar-2007 07:05:08] <xinit> I'm setting up zenoss on a debian box. Setup went great, but when I go to the URL, I get The path '/zport/dmd' was not found.
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[27-Mar-2007 07:20:27] <xinit> ah gottit
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[27-Mar-2007 08:18:55] <jp10558> I need some help getting WMI going
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[27-Mar-2007 08:46:14] <goschtl> hi i got these error on install: unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log but there is no zenbuild.log
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[27-Mar-2007 08:55:07] <N[]VA> did you grab the dzenoss-dep?
[27-Mar-2007 08:55:15] <N[]VA> zenoss-deps
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[27-Mar-2007 09:55:59] <chet> Lots of people in here today..
[27-Mar-2007 09:56:44] <b52laptop> chet, yeap , we're having a party ...
[27-Mar-2007 09:57:21] <chet> 1.2 release party? =}
[27-Mar-2007 09:57:26] <chet> j/k
[27-Mar-2007 09:57:36] <b52laptop> :d
[27-Mar-2007 09:57:39] <chet> It is looking more polished every day though..
[27-Mar-2007 09:58:39] <b52laptop> yeap , in few months it will kick nagios a**
[27-Mar-2007 09:58:40] <chet> I must say I'm impressed by whomever is working on the UI updates.
[27-Mar-2007 10:00:07] <chet> Nagios is like manually pinging hosts from the command line compared to Zenoss.
[27-Mar-2007 10:00:43] <b52laptop> :d
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[27-Mar-2007 10:09:44] <jp10558> Anyone know what MIBs should be imported to use Zenoss with Scientific Linux 4?
[27-Mar-2007 10:11:17] <PerlStalker> Is it possible to setup alerts based on multiple devices?
[27-Mar-2007 10:17:33] <PerlStalker> er, events, not alerts.
[27-Mar-2007 10:17:45] * PerlStalker blows the cobwebs off his brain
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[27-Mar-2007 10:21:03] <jp10558> Anyone here use ZenWin successfully?
[27-Mar-2007 10:21:36] <chet> PerlStalker: Of course.. just add your system/group/class to the command's filter.
[27-Mar-2007 10:21:38] <chet> jp10558: yes
[27-Mar-2007 10:22:05] <PerlStalker> chet: D'oh! Missed that completely. Shiny
[27-Mar-2007 10:22:47] <jp10558> Hmmm, I've followed what instructions I could find
[27-Mar-2007 10:22:53] <jp10558> but all I get is heartbeat errors
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:01] <jp10558> and LARGE logfiles on the zenwin machine
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:12] <jp10558> it seems to just repeat:
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:12] <chet> Are you jmp242?
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:13] <jp10558> 2007-03-26 14:20:00 ERROR zen.zeneventlogsvc: Exception in service ctl
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:13] <jp10558> Traceback (most recent call last):
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:13] <jp10558> File "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\zenutils\zensvc.py", line 42, in SvcDoRun
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:13] <jp10558> proc = Popen(cmd)
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:14] <jp10558> File "C:\Python24\lib\subprocess.py", line 543, in __init__
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:16] <jp10558> errread, errwrite)
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:18] <jp10558> File "C:\Python24\lib\subprocess.py", line 706, in _execute_child
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:20] <jp10558> startupinfo)
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:22] <jp10558> WindowsError: [Errno 2] The system cannot find the file specified
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:24] <jp10558> yes
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:29] <chet> I replied to your post on the mailing list with my guess.
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:38] <jp10558> not on forums yet I guess
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:45] <chet> I'll paste it in here..
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:54] <jp10558> I was checking there
[27-Mar-2007 10:24:16] <chet> I think it means python by "the file specified." Make sure that python is in your path. You can read about this at http://www.python.org/doc/faq/windows.html#how-do-i-run-a-python-program-under-windows
[27-Mar-2007 10:24:16] <adytum-bot> Title: Python Windows FAQ (at www.python.org)
[27-Mar-2007 10:25:03] <jp10558> I'm pretty sure python is in my path, as 1. I followed the README to add it to the path
[27-Mar-2007 10:25:18] <jp10558> and just typing 'python' at the cmd prompt gives me a >>> prompt
[27-Mar-2007 10:25:26] <jp10558> not an unrecognized command.
[27-Mar-2007 10:25:29] <chet> ok.
[27-Mar-2007 10:26:09] <jp10558> Wait - just had an idea, I set this in an admin account, but not the one zenwin is using, maybe it doesn't carry over?
[27-Mar-2007 10:27:37] <chet> It depends if you set it in the user variables or system variables section.
[27-Mar-2007 10:27:52] <chet> I put mine in the system variables under one user, and zenoss runs as another and it works.
[27-Mar-2007 10:28:04] <jp10558> Well, I just changed to the same account I'm logged in under, lets see what happens
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[27-Mar-2007 10:31:33] <jp10558> nope, still a heartbeat failure event
[27-Mar-2007 10:32:14] <jp10558> 2007-03-27 11:25:17 DEBUG zen.zeneventlogsvc: starting 'python C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\zeneventlog.py --logpath C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\log -C C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\etc\zeneventlog.cfg --cycle=60'
[27-Mar-2007 10:32:18] <jp10558> in the log
[27-Mar-2007 10:32:23] <jp10558> ?
[27-Mar-2007 10:35:02] <jp10558> That looks like it's just running, but not doing anything?
[27-Mar-2007 10:39:51] <jp10558> just before that is 2007-03-27 11:24:13 INFO zen.zeneventlogsvc: service clt ending
[27-Mar-2007 10:39:59] <jp10558> does that mean it's crashing or something?
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[27-Mar-2007 11:01:54] <jp10558> could it be the computer?
[27-Mar-2007 11:11:26] <chet> jp10558: Sorry, had to step away for a momoent.
[27-Mar-2007 11:11:41] <chet> Those logs seem good. A shutdown followed by a startup.
[27-Mar-2007 11:11:50] <chet> Anything after that startup at 11:25?
[27-Mar-2007 11:12:13] <jp10558> let me look
[27-Mar-2007 11:12:30] <jp10558> no
[27-Mar-2007 11:12:32] <jp10558> just that
[27-Mar-2007 11:12:56] <chet> It might be working.
[27-Mar-2007 11:13:19] <jp10558> oh - good...? Should I see something inside Zenoss console, or do I need to add things?
[27-Mar-2007 11:13:58] <jp10558> Cause under the Zenwin server I still get zenwin heartbeat failure
[27-Mar-2007 11:14:05] <jp10558> as recently as 11:54
[27-Mar-2007 11:14:20] <jp10558> but no log entry?
[27-Mar-2007 11:16:03] <chet> zenwin isn't the same thing as zeneventlog..
[27-Mar-2007 11:16:12] <chet> There are three services that make up the zenwin product.
[27-Mar-2007 11:16:51] <jp10558> right, three logs. So I check the zenwinsvc.log
[27-Mar-2007 11:16:59] <chet> right
[27-Mar-2007 11:17:10] <jp10558> same thing?
[27-Mar-2007 11:17:12] <jp10558> 2007-03-27 11:24:19 INFO zen.zenwinsvc: service clt ending
[27-Mar-2007 11:17:12] <jp10558> 2007-03-27 11:25:12 DEBUG zen.zenwinsvc: starting 'python C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\zenwin.py --logpath C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\log -C C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\etc\zenwin.cfg --cycle=60'
[27-Mar-2007 11:18:53] <jp10558> similar under zenwinmodelersvc.log
[27-Mar-2007 11:19:24] <chet> zenwinsvc starts zenwin, zeneventlogsvc starts zeneventlog, etc..
[27-Mar-2007 11:19:29] <chet> So check the zenwin.log
[27-Mar-2007 11:20:31] <PerlStalker> Ok. Here's a fun issue with syslog generated events.
[27-Mar-2007 11:20:38] <jp10558> I've only got zenwinsvc.log?
[27-Mar-2007 11:20:52] <jp10558> which has 2007-03-27 11:24:19 INFO zen.zenwinsvc: service clt ending
[27-Mar-2007 11:20:52] <jp10558> 2007-03-27 11:25:12 DEBUG zen.zenwinsvc: starting 'python C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\zenwin.py --logpath C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\log -C C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\etc\zenwin.cfg --cycle=60'
[27-Mar-2007 11:21:10] <PerlStalker> I get events that have the component set to 'postfix/smtpd'. Zenoss complains about the / when I try to map the event.
[27-Mar-2007 11:21:32] <PerlStalker> How might I work around this?
[27-Mar-2007 11:21:38] <chet> postfix\.smtpd
[27-Mar-2007 11:21:40] <chet> oops
[27-Mar-2007 11:21:43] <chet> postfix\/smtpd
[27-Mar-2007 11:22:34] <PerlStalker> chet: So I need to create the event before hand instead of mapping the existing /Unknown event, correct?
[27-Mar-2007 11:23:22] <jp10558> do I need snmp informant installed on the ZenWin server? or any special settings in zProperties specific to the ZenWin server?
[27-Mar-2007 11:23:39] <chet> PerlStalker: yes, you probably will
[27-Mar-2007 11:23:52] <PerlStalker> chet: fair enough. Thank you
[27-Mar-2007 11:24:50] <chet> jp10558: You should set these zProperties under your /Devices/Servers/Windows device class..
[27-Mar-2007 11:25:00] <chet> zWinEventlog == True
[27-Mar-2007 11:25:12] <chet> zWinUser == "Domain\Zenoss User"
[27-Mar-2007 11:25:19] <chet> zWinPassword == "Yourpassword"
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[27-Mar-2007 11:26:53] <jp10558> but they don't need to be different for the ZenWin server?
[27-Mar-2007 11:30:13] <ke4qqq> hey guys, running the 1.1.1 VM, when I add a device (Windows servers are my particular problem) it fails to collect a lot of information - sometimes even timing out beofre getting the full read (this is on a gig network, most of the machines connected to the same switch) If I chnge the time out period and tell it to collect configuration (from the manage tab) it intermittently works, but sometimes also fails, and also references other devices
[27-Mar-2007 11:30:14] <ke4qqq> that I didn't tell it to collect.
[27-Mar-2007 11:31:38] <jp10558> ke4qqq: windows needs snmp informant to give you things like the perf tab
[27-Mar-2007 11:31:52] <jp10558> I'm still trying to get WMI to work though
[27-Mar-2007 11:42:15] <jp10558> chet: do you know what sort of connection the ZenWin server is doing for the heartbeat?
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[27-Mar-2007 13:10:11] <ke4qqq> jp10558: I have snmp informant installed on all of my machines.
[27-Mar-2007 13:11:55] <jp10558> mmm - no good answer then
[27-Mar-2007 13:12:18] <jp10558> I don't have time out issues over 802.11g connection and 100Mbit max wired...
[27-Mar-2007 13:13:51] <chet> ke4qqq: I have that same problem.. it happens to me on all types of devices though.
[27-Mar-2007 13:14:18] <chet> ke4qqq: I'm running on the current SVN trunk too.
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[27-Mar-2007 13:16:08] <EmZee> Has anyone had issues compiling zenoss on i686?
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[27-Mar-2007 13:16:54] <chet> EmZee: No. I assume you mean some of the dependencies for Zenoss? Zenoss itself is in Python and not compiled.
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:09] <EmZee> chet; Apologies... yes you're correct.
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:29] <EmZee> xgettext: error while loading shared libraries: libexpat.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:31] <EmZee> whoops
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:34] <EmZee> i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -fPIC -IExtensionClass -IAcquisition -I/usr/include/python2.4 -$
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:34] <EmZee> unable to execute i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc: No such file or directory
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:34] <EmZee> error: command 'i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc' failed with exit status 1
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:40] <EmZee> I keep getting that in the build log
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:51] <EmZee> (I'm running gentoo, and my chost is set to i686)
[27-Mar-2007 13:19:40] <chet> I'm not too familiar with gentoo specifics, and this is definitely a gentoo specific error..
[27-Mar-2007 13:19:51] <chet> Try remerging python first.
[27-Mar-2007 13:20:01] <EmZee> alright.
[27-Mar-2007 13:20:18] <chet> I'm guessing that python was built with i386.
[27-Mar-2007 13:20:29] * EmZee watches the python configuration
[27-Mar-2007 13:20:34] <EmZee> it sees i686 in ./configure
[27-Mar-2007 13:20:40] <chet> good
[27-Mar-2007 13:20:45] <EmZee> I'll let you know what happens when I build against this
[27-Mar-2007 13:20:59] <EmZee> iirc, I never had my arch set to i386 but I could very well be wrong
[27-Mar-2007 13:21:07] <chet> What kind of "stage" install did you do? Perhaps this could have happened if you didn't do the really long boring one.
[27-Mar-2007 13:21:18] <EmZee> I did the really long boring one
[27-Mar-2007 13:21:21] <chet> doh
[27-Mar-2007 13:21:24] <EmZee> Hehe
[27-Mar-2007 13:21:50] <EmZee> I'd like to think I'm reasonably thorough with my gentoo boxen; I figure if one is going to go to the hassle of installing gentoo, it may as well be done right
[27-Mar-2007 13:22:13] <chet> Sure.. if you're not going to compile everything just use an easy distro.
[27-Mar-2007 13:22:23] * EmZee coughs "Ubuntu" gently.
[27-Mar-2007 13:22:45] <EmZee> If I can make this work on gentoo, I'd like to ask someone to add Gentoo to the list of "supported OSes"
[27-Mar-2007 13:22:56] <EmZee>
[27-Mar-2007 13:23:24] <chet> There are plenty of people running on Gentoo. I think it isn't on the list just because there isn't a step-by-step howto for it.
[27-Mar-2007 13:24:17] <EmZee> Makes sense.
[27-Mar-2007 13:24:48] <EmZee> Looks like that did it, thanks
[27-Mar-2007 13:24:56] <chet> Sweet.
[27-Mar-2007 13:25:10] <EmZee> I dunno if they're planning on adding a "Who uses this" list
[27-Mar-2007 13:25:17] <chet> I think I've read too much about Gentoo for never actually using it. =}
[27-Mar-2007 13:25:30] <EmZee> but if I can make it work, I'm head of the University of Rochester IT division for the Physics Department
[27-Mar-2007 13:25:44] <EmZee> and we're trying to manage our IT infrastructure with it
[27-Mar-2007 13:27:02] <chet> That'd be good press for sure. I'm surprised that they don't already have a list like that in a prominent place.
[27-Mar-2007 13:27:10] <chet> Could be that it's so new that no one has it in production yet.
[27-Mar-2007 13:28:16] <chet> I keep stalling moving it into production because the development is happening so fast right now. There's always a new feature two days away that I want to wait for, then another, etc..
[27-Mar-2007 13:29:15] * EmZee ndos
[27-Mar-2007 13:29:17] <EmZee> *nods
[27-Mar-2007 13:29:27] <EmZee> We're coming off a license with AdventNet OpManager
[27-Mar-2007 13:29:31] <chet> I just wish they were listed. I'd buy as much of that stock up as I could.
[27-Mar-2007 13:29:35] <EmZee> Heheh
[27-Mar-2007 13:29:42] <chet> It's going to explode.. I'm sure of it.
[27-Mar-2007 13:29:57] <EmZee> I wish there was a gentoo package for it
[27-Mar-2007 13:30:14] <EmZee> if I didn't think there was already someone working on a package for it I would totally snatch up first authorhood
[27-Mar-2007 13:30:15] <EmZee>
[27-Mar-2007 13:30:55] <chet> I don't think anyone is working on it.
[27-Mar-2007 13:31:06] <EmZee> Maybe I'll work on one when I'm off the clock
[27-Mar-2007 13:31:25] <EmZee> Or, depending on if I get this stupid motherboard to function, I'll start it in a few minutes
[27-Mar-2007 13:33:03] <EmZee> Yep
[27-Mar-2007 13:33:10] <EmZee> Found a package maintainer
[27-Mar-2007 13:33:21] <EmZee> unfortunately his last ebuild is... December 14, 2006.
[27-Mar-2007 13:33:23] <EmZee> hm.
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[27-Mar-2007 13:46:39] <kfh> I downloaded the vmware applicance today and started playing with it, how significant is it that the following services aren't running? zenperfsnmp zenperfxmlrpc zenprocess and zencommand???
[27-Mar-2007 13:48:46] <jp10558> hey, chet or anyone using WMI successfully
[27-Mar-2007 13:49:00] <jp10558> I've started running the tests of the services in the foreground again
[27-Mar-2007 13:49:37] <jp10558> and I think I may have found one of the problems - zenwinmodeler connects apparently successfully to several machines, but then others it says BAD WMI state and seems to break then
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[27-Mar-2007 14:04:28] <chet> jp10558: Check out http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToTestWmi
[27-Mar-2007 14:04:28] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToTestWmi - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[27-Mar-2007 14:04:30] <jp10558> chet: yea it's definately a problem with zenwinmodeler
[27-Mar-2007 14:04:36] <jp10558> bad WMI state
[27-Mar-2007 14:04:48] <jp10558> yea, I've done that
[27-Mar-2007 14:04:53] <jp10558> that works ok to the machines
[27-Mar-2007 14:05:07] <jp10558> but once zenwinmodeler hits that, it just starts looping
[27-Mar-2007 14:05:10] <chet> Using the same user that the service runs as?
[27-Mar-2007 14:05:25] <jp10558> and I now get WMI timeout errors in Zenoss for those machines
[27-Mar-2007 14:05:28] <jp10558> yes
[27-Mar-2007 14:05:38] <jp10558> I'm logged in under the same account
[27-Mar-2007 14:05:50] <jp10558> and right now, not running service, but the interactive versions
[27-Mar-2007 14:05:56] <jp10558> those at least gave me this output
[27-Mar-2007 14:06:59] <jp10558> wbemtest returns the service query in about 2 seconds
[27-Mar-2007 14:07:06] <jp10558> but zenwinmodeler just dies...
[27-Mar-2007 14:08:06] <chet> hmm.. does the name of your Windows server in Zenoss match its FQDN?
[27-Mar-2007 14:11:39] <jp10558> no, we usually just use the local DNS name so winserver might be an example name
[27-Mar-2007 14:12:13] <jp10558> but \\winserver\root\cimv2 works for say wbemtest ..?
[27-Mar-2007 14:13:21] <chet> I've heard that the FQDN has to match zenoss' device name, but I don't know why this would be.
[27-Mar-2007 14:13:29] <chet> Probably worth a shot though.
[27-Mar-2007 14:13:39] <jp10558> one thing I'm unclear on - I'm (trying to) run zenwin on XPSP2 machine, but some of the desired monitored machines run WIn2k - would a win2k machine break things?
[27-Mar-2007 14:13:57] <chet> No.. I monitor a bunch of 2k boxes through WMI.
[27-Mar-2007 14:14:11] <chet> My ZenWin server is 2k3
[27-Mar-2007 14:14:28] <jp10558> ok, well if this fails, I'll see about getting a 2k3 box to play with
[27-Mar-2007 14:16:18] <EmZee> Grr, stupid password
[27-Mar-2007 14:21:13] <EmZee> chet; any ideas what's going on if I can't login with the admin password I set?
[27-Mar-2007 14:21:29] <EmZee> I even tried running the password change script
[27-Mar-2007 14:21:33] <EmZee> and it sucked up the init file
[27-Mar-2007 14:21:36] <EmZee> deleted it
[27-Mar-2007 14:21:38] <EmZee> and I still can't get in
[27-Mar-2007 14:21:39] <EmZee>
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:03] <chet> Could be a stale cookie.. try closing your browser and then trying again.
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:35] <chet> Might want to "zopectl restart" too.
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:42] <EmZee> Yeah I tried that
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:45] <EmZee> oh one other thing
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:55] <EmZee> schizef bin # ./zenping start
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:55] <EmZee> ./zenping: line 3: /bin/zenfunctions: No such file or directory
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:55] <EmZee> ./zenping: line 11: generic: command not found
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:56] <EmZee>
[27-Mar-2007 14:23:35] <chet> Are you the zenoss user?
[27-Mar-2007 14:23:55] <EmZee> It told me to run that as root
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:11] <chet> No.. run everything as the zenoss user. It will sudo to run the three daemons that require root privileges.
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:21] <jp10558> so far chet
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:23] <chet> Assuming you setup sudo according to the instructions.
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:26] <jp10558> seems to have been the FQDN
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:30] <jp10558> stupid...
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:30] <EmZee> I did, hold on
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:35] <jp10558> no idea why that is
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:55] <chet> jp10558: Me either, but I'll definitely keep that one in the back of my brain for later.
[27-Mar-2007 14:25:01] <EmZee> zenoss@schizef /usr/local/zenoss/bin $ $ZENHOME/bin/zenping start
[27-Mar-2007 14:25:01] <EmZee> starting...
[27-Mar-2007 14:25:01] <EmZee> Traceback (most recent call last):
[27-Mar-2007 14:25:01] <EmZee> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/zenping.py", line 22, in ?
[27-Mar-2007 14:25:01] <EmZee> import Globals # make zope imports work
[27-Mar-2007 14:25:02] <EmZee> ImportError: No module named Globals
[27-Mar-2007 14:25:55] <chet> EmZee: Are you in a bash shell, did you "su - zenoss", did you setup your .bash_profile as per the instructions?
[27-Mar-2007 14:26:05] <EmZee> yes yes and yes
[27-Mar-2007 14:26:26] <chet> echo $PYTHON
[27-Mar-2007 14:26:26] <chet> echo
[27-Mar-2007 14:26:29] <chet> echo $PYTHONPATH
[27-Mar-2007 14:27:25] <EmZee> zenoss@schizef /usr/local/zenoss/bin $ echo $PYTHON
[27-Mar-2007 14:27:25] <EmZee> zenoss@schizef /usr/local/zenoss/bin $ echo $PYTHONPATH
[27-Mar-2007 14:27:25] <EmZee> /usr/local/zenoss/lib/python
[27-Mar-2007 14:27:42] <EmZee> ...
[27-Mar-2007 14:27:45] <EmZee> it just started working.
[27-Mar-2007 14:27:45] <EmZee> Weird.
[27-Mar-2007 14:28:17] <chet> That is weird.. isn't your .bash_profile setting PYTHON to /usr/local/zenoss/bin/python ?
[27-Mar-2007 14:28:30] <chet> I don't think that'd cause your error, but it should be set for other reasons.
[27-Mar-2007 14:29:03] <chet> PYTHONPATH is the one that'd cause your error if it was wrong.
[27-Mar-2007 14:29:50] <EmZee> Things are starting alright now, hm.
[27-Mar-2007 14:30:40] <EmZee> still not letting me log in though
[27-Mar-2007 14:32:19] <chet> Try to login to /manage
[27-Mar-2007 14:32:49] <EmZee> that works fine.
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[27-Mar-2007 14:32:52] <EmZee> crazy.
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:12] <EmZee> interesting.
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:14] <chet> See if you can browse up to the zope authenticate stuff for zport and sort it out.
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:21] <EmZee> I looked in the acl
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:24] <ecrist> afternoon folks.
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:31] <chet> afternoon, ecrist.
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:32] <EmZee> the password and confirm fields aren't the same length
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:44] <chet> bizarre
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:50] <EmZee> Seriously.
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:51] <EmZee> Bug?
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:55] <ecrist> someone have a minute to help me with a graphing error or some sort?
[27-Mar-2007 14:34:09] <chet> ecrist: As long as it's easy enough for me to understand. =}
[27-Mar-2007 14:34:09] <EmZee> zport has no users at all
[27-Mar-2007 14:34:47] <ecrist> chet, great! We just installed zenoss on our test box here at work, and we're trying to get graphing going against a Cisco router
[27-Mar-2007 14:35:12] <ecrist> the default graphs are working fine, and zenoss is able to connect via snmp
[27-Mar-2007 14:35:13] <chet> EmZee: Add yourself..
[27-Mar-2007 14:35:24] <EmZee> chet; Gets more bizarre; put a user/pass into the main portal page, it showed me some sort of disclaimer, I hit agree, and it booted me back to the login prompt with a username/password error
[27-Mar-2007 14:35:25] <EmZee>
[27-Mar-2007 14:36:01] <ecrist> I've tried to add the necessary bits to create some data points for snmp strings 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.10.6 and 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.16.6 for bandwith in/out
[27-Mar-2007 14:36:19] <ecrist> also created the graph from the web interface to stack the two data points.
[27-Mar-2007 14:36:46] <chet> ecrist: I think you might be creating unnecessary work for yourself.
[27-Mar-2007 14:36:58] <ecrist> I get the following error:
[27-Mar-2007 14:36:59] <ecrist> Type: ValueError
[27-Mar-2007 14:37:00] <ecrist> Value: need more than 1 value to unpack
[27-Mar-2007 14:37:05] <ecrist> chet, I hope so
[27-Mar-2007 14:37:13] <chet> Zenoss graphs that stuff by default. You just need to go to the OS tab and click on the interface you want to see the graphs for.
[27-Mar-2007 14:38:38] <chet> EmZee: I've actually had this problem. Unfortunately my solution was the "screw around with it for a while." I have no idea what I did to fix it.
[27-Mar-2007 14:38:51] <EmZee> chet, *snort*
[27-Mar-2007 14:38:51] <ecrist> chet, it's graphing eth0, but not Ser0.16 or Ser0.17
[27-Mar-2007 14:38:52] <EmZee> nice.
[27-Mar-2007 14:38:54] <EmZee>
[27-Mar-2007 14:39:01] <ecrist> I'm trying to get Ser0.17 specifically
[27-Mar-2007 14:39:03] <chet> EmZee: I think it had something to do with creating another user for myself under zport, then closing my browser and logging back into /
[27-Mar-2007 14:39:07] <EmZee> k
[27-Mar-2007 14:39:10] <ecrist> it's our T1 link
[27-Mar-2007 14:39:13] <chet> ecrist: Simple enough..
[27-Mar-2007 14:39:34] <EmZee> chet, Unfortunately now when I'm in /manage and I click "acl_users" on zport, it drops me to the portal auth window.
[27-Mar-2007 14:39:34] <EmZee>
[27-Mar-2007 14:40:38] <ecrist> chet, ?
[27-Mar-2007 14:46:14] <ecrist> also, is there a way to make some graphs by the minute, or 5 minute?
[27-Mar-2007 14:46:53] <jp10558> no good with the service versions though still get heartbeat failure
[27-Mar-2007 14:47:08] <jp10558> IF I run it by hand it seems to work ok with the FQDN
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[27-Mar-2007 14:59:53] <chet> ecrist: What version are you running?
[27-Mar-2007 15:00:39] <ecrist> hrm, let me check, just downloaded it last night off zenoss.com
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[27-Mar-2007 15:01:03] <ecrist> 1.1.1
[27-Mar-2007 15:01:12] <chet> ecrist: Go to /Devices and click on PerfConf.
[27-Mar-2007 15:01:30] <chet> Check ethernetCsmacd and click Copy.
[27-Mar-2007 15:01:44] <chet> Then Paste.
[27-Mar-2007 15:02:03] <ecrist> k
[27-Mar-2007 15:02:19] <chet> Go into the copy of ethernetCsmacd that was just created and change the name to propPointToPointSerial
[27-Mar-2007 15:02:32] <chet> then save.
[27-Mar-2007 15:02:47] <ecrist> k
[27-Mar-2007 15:02:59] <chet> Then restart zenperfsnmp.. you'll have graphs for serial interfaces in about 15 minutes.
[27-Mar-2007 15:03:50] <chet> zenoss applies the performance templates based on the ifType of the interface. By default it only has a template for ethernet interfaces (ethernetCsmacd is the ifType)
[27-Mar-2007 15:04:07] <chet> Serial interfaces are almost always of the propPointToPointSerial ifType.
[27-Mar-2007 15:04:32] <ecrist> wow, thanks for the help.
[27-Mar-2007 15:04:46] <chet> If you wanted graphs for Cisco VLAN interfaces you'd make a copy called propVirtual. You'd need to remove the error data sources from the template because VLANs don't have errors.
[27-Mar-2007 15:04:46] <ecrist> how do I increase the frequency of the graphs?
[27-Mar-2007 15:05:35] <chet> You'd go to "Monitors" and edit your performance monitor. Snmp Cycle Interval is what you'd change.
[27-Mar-2007 15:06:39] <ecrist> what's the config cycle interval?
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[27-Mar-2007 15:07:18] <chet> How often it reloads it's configuration. Earlier I told you to restart zenperfsnmp.. I did that because as you can see by default it only reads new configuration every 20 minutes.
[27-Mar-2007 15:07:36] <ecrist> ah, gotcha
[27-Mar-2007 15:07:37] <chet> Restarting it forces an immediate reload.
[27-Mar-2007 15:07:45] <ecrist> thanks again for the help chet.
[27-Mar-2007 15:08:02] <chet> Sure thing.
[27-Mar-2007 15:08:33] <ecrist> are the graphs rendered on page load, or snmp cycle?
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[27-Mar-2007 15:22:44] <jreese2> i'd imagine page load, since you can zoom in and stuff
[27-Mar-2007 15:23:25] <pozer> Is there a quick way I could just output the value of an SNMP string on a particular device class in zenoss? Like if a particular SNMP oid is a string, just print that entire string out to a section under one of the main tabs or some such nonsense?
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[27-Mar-2007 15:31:58] <ecrist> chet, I still have no graphs, would it make a difference is my Serial0.17 Type was listed as frame-relay?
[27-Mar-2007 15:32:34] <kfh> pozer: Use REST <standby for url>
[27-Mar-2007 15:34:40] <kfh> pozer: page 90, section 13.1 of the current admin guide.....
[27-Mar-2007 15:35:48] <jreese2> when the zenoss snmp cron runs does it check for plugins that are registered to the OID that is going to be queried, and use those plugins to process the returned data?
[27-Mar-2007 15:40:17] <chet> ecrist: Yes, it would matter. You should make a copy of the ethernetCsmacd template with a name that matches the interface's type.
[27-Mar-2007 15:40:57] <chet> jreese2: Not exactly. Each plugin can have a condition for running, but the condition can be almost anything.
[27-Mar-2007 15:41:13] <chet> jreese2: Some only run of the hardware falls under the Cisco category, etc..
[27-Mar-2007 15:41:49] <chet> jreese2: A lot of the plugins don't have any conditions, like RouteMap.. it will try to run against anything that has snmp enabled.
[27-Mar-2007 15:42:53] <pozer> kfh: Will check it out.. thanks. Basically been beating my head against it trying to figure out how to best display the names assigned to ports on an IPDU.
[27-Mar-2007 15:44:26] <chet> pozer: There's no easy way to do that at the moment. You'd have to create a datacollector plugin for it that worked similarly to the InterfaceMap, then you'd also have to create the user interface for it.
[27-Mar-2007 15:45:20] <pozer> Hmm, so the best way is probably going to be to manually dump all this information into the comments for the devices.
[27-Mar-2007 15:45:26] <pozer> That's just ugly, though.
[27-Mar-2007 15:53:02] <jreese2> chet: thanks, so if i were to make my own plugin i could specify what i want it to apply to, put it in the plugins directory, restart the snmp polling service(maybe?), and it'l get picked up?
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[27-Mar-2007 16:02:03] <bmbr> does zenoss have OOTB support for dell mibs?
[27-Mar-2007 16:02:14] <chet> jreese2: Yup.
[27-Mar-2007 16:02:29] <chet> bmbr: nope
[27-Mar-2007 16:02:32] <bmbr> i have a bunch of poweredge servers that im walking that are not populating as i expected them to.. is that a lack of setup on the zenoss side or the actual remote linux box
[27-Mar-2007 16:02:35] <bmbr> ahh!
[27-Mar-2007 16:02:43] <bmbr> is there a good doc in regards to how to make that happen?
[27-Mar-2007 16:02:50] <bmbr> im a mib noob
[27-Mar-2007 16:06:22] <bmbr> ah ha
[27-Mar-2007 16:06:31] <bmbr> zenmib
[27-Mar-2007 16:06:40] <jreese2> chet: very cool, thanks again
[27-Mar-2007 16:06:40] * bmbr walks away sheepishly
[27-Mar-2007 16:21:05] <ke4qqq> hey guys: wrt regards to my earlier post: here is adding a new device http://pastebin.ca/412664 and then when I went back to recollect, I get this http://pastebin.ca/412666, and still not everything is there (no software, etc)
[27-Mar-2007 16:21:05] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Miscellany - post number 412664 (at pastebin.ca)
[27-Mar-2007 16:21:06] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 412666 (at pastebin.ca)
[27-Mar-2007 16:23:17] <ke4qqq> the third time I run recollection, I get a bit more: http://pastebin.ca/412668; I seem to remember getting all of this at once with 1.0.
[27-Mar-2007 16:23:17] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 412668 (at pastebin.ca)
[27-Mar-2007 16:23:21] <ke4qqq> any ideas on why I am having to run collection over and over to get stuff?
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[27-Mar-2007 16:24:05] <chet> ke4qqq: Afraid not.. I'd suggest you post to the mailing list so one of the developers knows about it.
[27-Mar-2007 16:24:30] <ke4qqq> I was afraid you would say that...... I hate finding unique problems
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[27-Mar-2007 17:01:34] <bmbr> hey guys.. in my battle here with snmp and zenoss, i just wanted to make sure that i'm on the right track..
[27-Mar-2007 17:01:49] <bmbr> i should first get the proper mibs from dell installed and running with snmpd on my poweredge linux boxes
[27-Mar-2007 17:02:08] <bmbr> then zenmib run MIBNAME to import said mibs
[27-Mar-2007 17:02:15] <bmbr> sound about right?
[27-Mar-2007 17:02:46] <bmbr> i guess what confused me is that i have 1 box here that i discovered that displayed lots of great infos including the dell service tag, etc.. and it did this before i started messing with mibs at all
[27-Mar-2007 17:02:56] <bmbr> so im trying to figure out how that happened and see if im overworking the problem
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[27-Mar-2007 18:21:09] <bmbr> ok i surely MUST be missing something.. the admin documentation makes references to things such as the "informant mib" without ever previously describing what that is
[27-Mar-2007 18:21:30] <bmbr> there is also a section of the admin interface that says "mibs" with no further description
[27-Mar-2007 18:22:00] <bmbr> and i dont see anything that really discusses polling information from linux boxes..
[27-Mar-2007 18:22:11] <bmbr> my windows boxes supply a large amount of information right away
[27-Mar-2007 18:22:18] <bmbr> not so much with linux tho
[27-Mar-2007 18:23:32] <bmbr> ah.. so it was one of my windows boxes that prepopulated the service tag # via snmp
[27-Mar-2007 18:23:39] <bmbr> prolly because dell openmanage is installed on that machine
[27-Mar-2007 18:23:46] <bmbr> as its OS is actually supported by openmanage
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[27-Mar-2007 19:11:10] <chet> bmbr: It isn't supported natively by Zenoss, but you can take a look at OMSA from Dell. It's their set of Linux SNMP extensions.
[27-Mar-2007 19:12:42] <bmbr> yah
[27-Mar-2007 19:13:05] <bmbr> i have 3 rhel boxes here that support openmanage (omsa) and have it installed.. and a few windows boxes the same..
[27-Mar-2007 19:13:17] <bmbr> its very interesting, the windows boxes reports lots of information immediately.. name, service tag, etc
[27-Mar-2007 19:13:24] <bmbr> the linux boxes running the same omsa do not report that
[27-Mar-2007 19:13:29] <chet> hmm.. I just checked that out myself. Apparently the MIBs between windows and linux are the same.
[27-Mar-2007 19:13:32] <bmbr> prolly another linux failure on dells part
[27-Mar-2007 19:13:42] <chet> I don't think so.. might be a quick fix, one minute.
[27-Mar-2007 19:13:48] <bmbr> thatd be neat
[27-Mar-2007 19:14:18] <bmbr> i do have MIB-Dell-10892 loaded up in zenoss now
[27-Mar-2007 19:14:22] <bmbr> via zenmib run
[27-Mar-2007 19:14:31] <bmbr> which i believe is the latest OMSA mib file
[27-Mar-2007 19:14:38] <chet> currently zenoss only uses mibs to make trap messages look nice.
[27-Mar-2007 19:14:43] <chet> Not used for polling at all.
[27-Mar-2007 19:15:28] <bmbr> ok.. hm.. how then would it grab the service tag from my windows box right away? cos initial setup of the device = polling, correct?
[27-Mar-2007 19:15:35] <chet> It knows the OID.
[27-Mar-2007 19:15:47] <bmbr> it being zenoss?
[27-Mar-2007 19:16:01] <bmbr> sorry my brain is kinda fried
[27-Mar-2007 19:16:05] <bmbr> i understand what yer trying to tell me now
[27-Mar-2007 19:16:29] <chet> ok.. interesting. I have OMSA running on one of my CentOS boxes now. Zenoss picked the service tag right up.
[27-Mar-2007 19:16:45] <chet> Have you verified that OMSA is properly installed and integrated with NetSNMP?
[27-Mar-2007 19:17:15] <bmbr> no i have not, i only went into OMSA and verified that the asset information did incude the service tag
[27-Mar-2007 19:17:42] <bmbr> im slowly working on switching my network here away from fedora and onto centos.. it will be nice when i can run omsa everywhere again
[27-Mar-2007 19:18:41] <chet> ok, to enable it in NetSNMP you just need to add this line to your /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf
[27-Mar-2007 19:18:55] <chet> smuxpeer .1.3.6.1.4.1.674.10892.1
[27-Mar-2007 19:19:10] <chet> reload the snmpd service, then you can check to see if it works by this:
[27-Mar-2007 19:19:32] <chet> snmpget -v2c -c public yourhost .1.3.6.1.4.1.674.10892.1.300.10.1.11.1
[27-Mar-2007 19:19:54] <chet> That should return your service tag, and if it does.. you can recollect the device in zenoss and see the serial # populated just like under windows.
[27-Mar-2007 19:20:30] <chet> Zenoss also picked up my RAM, CPUs and expansion cards.
[27-Mar-2007 19:20:35] <chet> It also knows it's a PowerEdge 2650
[27-Mar-2007 19:20:42] <chet> Everything that Windows does.
[27-Mar-2007 19:20:57] <chet> Thanks for pointing me at this. =}
[27-Mar-2007 19:21:11] <bmbr> haha
[27-Mar-2007 19:21:14] <bmbr> ya sure np
[27-Mar-2007 19:21:43] <bmbr> hm
[27-Mar-2007 19:21:56] <bmbr> that smuxpeer line is there (was always there, actually) prolly due to the omsa install
[27-Mar-2007 19:22:06] <bmbr> but that oid returns nothing on my linux box
[27-Mar-2007 19:22:13] <bmbr> but does work properly on my windows box
[27-Mar-2007 19:22:21] <bmbr> so now i think i need to look at my omsa installs
[27-Mar-2007 19:22:30] <bmbr> and see what part of it failed (prolly the netsnmp part)
[27-Mar-2007 19:22:40] <bmbr> sound about right to you?
[27-Mar-2007 19:23:07] <chet> hmm.. check that these services are running:
[27-Mar-2007 19:23:24] <chet> dataeng, dsm_om_shrsvc, dsm_sa_ipmi, instsvcdrv, mptctl
[27-Mar-2007 19:24:15] <chet> chkconfig them to run at RLs 2-5 while you're there
[27-Mar-2007 19:26:31] <bmbr> hmm.. everything complained about already being started except for dsm_sa_ipmi and mptctl
[27-Mar-2007 19:26:38] <bmbr> (which said ok and started)
[27-Mar-2007 19:26:55] <chet> ok, restart snmpd and try the snmpget again.
[27-Mar-2007 19:28:50] <bmbr> hm still a timeout
[27-Mar-2007 19:29:12] <chet> snmp timeout, or a timeout response from snmp?
[27-Mar-2007 19:30:29] <chet> I guess that was a weird question. What I mean is that your snmpget will pause for several seconds then come back with a timeout if it couldn't contact the snmpd daemon, but if snmpd can't contact omsa it will actually give a timeout as the result of the snmpget.
[27-Mar-2007 19:30:41] <bmbr> Timeout: no response from servername
[27-Mar-2007 19:30:54] <bmbr> it hangs for a moment
[27-Mar-2007 19:30:57] <bmbr> so the former, i believe
[27-Mar-2007 19:31:34] <bmbr> im also doing a new install of omsa on a centos4 box
[27-Mar-2007 19:31:37] <bmbr> to see if the results are better
[27-Mar-2007 19:31:41] <chet> what if you use .1.3.6.1.2.1.1.5.0 as the OID?
[27-Mar-2007 19:32:04] <bmbr> same result
[27-Mar-2007 19:32:15] <bmbr> hm
[27-Mar-2007 19:32:16] <chet> oh, cool.. is iptables running?
[27-Mar-2007 19:32:22] <bmbr> lemme double check my conf / logs
[27-Mar-2007 19:33:49] <bmbr> hmm no, iptables is disabled..
[27-Mar-2007 19:34:13] <bmbr> oh hey, maybe its only answering as v1?
[27-Mar-2007 19:34:35] <bmbr> indeed
[27-Mar-2007 19:35:07] <chet> Weird.. do you have some access control in snmpd.conf that's causing that maybe? NetSNMP can definitely do v2c
[27-Mar-2007 19:35:31] <bmbr> im about to go on a comment spree in there.. the netadmin here was using it for mrtg..
[27-Mar-2007 19:35:35] <bmbr> could be a bad conf
[27-Mar-2007 19:35:38] <bmbr> uno momento
[27-Mar-2007 19:37:48] <bmbr> well i got it to at least talk to me now
[27-Mar-2007 19:37:49] <bmbr> SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.674.10892.1.300.10.1.11.1 = No Such Object available on this agent at this OID
[27-Mar-2007 19:38:37] <chet> Shoot.. I don't suppose you commented the smuxpeer out. =}
[27-Mar-2007 19:40:07] <bmbr> afraid not
[27-Mar-2007 19:40:20] <bmbr> i just redid the snmpd.conf completely based on the example config in the FAQ
[27-Mar-2007 19:40:26] <bmbr> including the smuxpeer line
[27-Mar-2007 19:40:36] <bmbr> but same.. bitches about NSO
[27-Mar-2007 19:40:38] <bmbr> but
[27-Mar-2007 19:40:44] <bmbr> im getting closer
[27-Mar-2007 19:42:49] <chet> Are the kernel modules loaded? dell_rbu, ipmi_devintf, ipmi_si, ipmi_msghandler ?
[27-Mar-2007 19:43:20] <chet> I think the services load them, but it can't hurt to check.
[27-Mar-2007 19:47:32] <cavehamster> interesting
[27-Mar-2007 19:47:34] <cavehamster> line 3: /bin/zenfunctions: No such file or directory
[27-Mar-2007 19:48:48] <chet> cavehamster: You need to su - to your zenoss user first.
[27-Mar-2007 19:49:49] <cavehamster> install docs not clear on this point, they say
[27-Mar-2007 19:49:51] <cavehamster> "Start zenping (it will need to be run as root to open a raw socket):"
[27-Mar-2007 19:49:59] <cavehamster> my assumption is, 'run this as root'
[27-Mar-2007 19:50:02] <chet> cavehamster: Yeah.. that is very misleading.
[27-Mar-2007 19:50:06] <chet> It actually uses sudo to do it.
[27-Mar-2007 19:50:15] <chet> Which is why the install guide asks you to configure sudo.
[27-Mar-2007 19:50:22] <cavehamster> i copy, its working now
[27-Mar-2007 19:52:18] <cavehamster> i also note the install didn't create a database in mysql
[27-Mar-2007 19:53:12] <bmbr> rpm or source? ive just been thru both installs and it created my db ok..
[27-Mar-2007 19:53:32] <cavehamster> source
[27-Mar-2007 19:53:50] <cavehamster> was I supposed to create a mysql user for zenoss or just fire up the install?
[27-Mar-2007 19:53:52] <bmbr> have you been to the web interface yet?
[27-Mar-2007 19:53:53] <chet> cavehamster: Most people suggest wiping out your mysql root password before the install, then setting it back up afterwards.
[27-Mar-2007 19:54:01] <bmbr> it will ask for the root word and create it all
[27-Mar-2007 19:54:23] <chet> cavehamster: After it's installed, you can create a mysql user for zenoss.. but it needs super privileges to install the database.
[27-Mar-2007 19:54:23] <bmbr> those were 2 seperate statements of mine btw
[27-Mar-2007 19:54:29] <cavehamster> it did let me log into the web interface
[27-Mar-2007 19:55:13] <cavehamster> ok, right now, i'm at step 2.2.2 of the install docs as per http://zenoss.com/docs/installsrc
[27-Mar-2007 19:55:13] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Installation Instructions : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at zenoss.com)
[27-Mar-2007 19:55:24] <cavehamster> i can log into the web interface
[27-Mar-2007 19:55:31] <cavehamster> i just got the ping thingy going
[27-Mar-2007 19:56:11] <cavehamster> "Configure the username and password for zenperfsnmp in the config file:" what does this mean? The config file doesn't really give me any clues as to what it wants
[27-Mar-2007 19:56:20] <chet> ignore that completely
[27-Mar-2007 19:56:32] <cavehamster> the whole 2.2.2 section?
[27-Mar-2007 19:56:59] <chet> You can start the daemons, but you don't need to edit the file.
[27-Mar-2007 19:57:06] <cavehamster> ok
[27-Mar-2007 19:57:10] <chet> You really need to get the database created though.
[27-Mar-2007 19:57:25] <chet> I'd suggest you "zenoss stop" to shut everything down, wipe your mysql root password and run the install again.
[27-Mar-2007 19:57:44] <cavehamster> interesting indeed
[27-Mar-2007 20:01:39] <cavehamster> should I do a 'make clean' or just run the install.sh again?
[27-Mar-2007 20:03:29] <chet> just install.sh is fine
[27-Mar-2007 20:03:44] <cavehamster> alrighty, here we go
[27-Mar-2007 20:05:04] <bmbr> ok.. got OMSA installed on a fresh centos box..
[27-Mar-2007 20:05:28] <bmbr> set all levels 2-5 to on for omsa and gave it a quick lil reboot (zenoss started nicely too!)
[27-Mar-2007 20:05:43] <bmbr> verified that the Summary in the omsa does indeed show asset tag infos
[27-Mar-2007 20:05:57] <bmbr> but alas, i get the same dang no such object
[27-Mar-2007 20:06:07] <bmbr> in regards to that OID
[27-Mar-2007 20:07:17] <bmbr> whats a good site like pastebin? pastebin is failing me atm
[27-Mar-2007 20:07:19] <cavehamster> ok it installed the database this time
[27-Mar-2007 20:09:02] <chet> pastebin.mozilla.org is usually fast.
[27-Mar-2007 20:09:37] <bmbr> ah there we go
[27-Mar-2007 20:09:57] <bmbr> so ya, here is my snmpd.conf (generic, OMSA just wrote it fresh): http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5303
[27-Mar-2007 20:09:57] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[27-Mar-2007 20:10:05] <bmbr> looks right.. smuxpeer line is there
[27-Mar-2007 20:10:24] <bmbr> atm its setup as default for host, so anyone can access it (fine for the moment)
[27-Mar-2007 20:11:02] <bmbr> is that pretty similar to yer centos box that worked immediately?
[27-Mar-2007 20:11:25] <chet> It should work.. but I don't use the extended access control.
[27-Mar-2007 20:11:41] <chet> I have a line like "rocommunity public" then the smuxpeer line under it.
[27-Mar-2007 20:11:46] <chet> I control the access with iptables.
[27-Mar-2007 20:12:09] <bmbr> hm
[27-Mar-2007 20:13:37] <cavehamster> should I be worried that on a default install, when I log in, i get a 'Lost connection to Zenoss' text on the dashboard?
[27-Mar-2007 20:13:59] <chet> That means that it can't connect to the database.
[27-Mar-2007 20:14:15] <chet> Create your mysql zenoss user with all privileges on events.*
[27-Mar-2007 20:14:27] <chet> Then setup the mysql connection settings in the "Event Manager" link on the left.
[27-Mar-2007 20:15:07] <cavehamster> er, I let the install script create the mysql user? did it not do everything it needed to do?
[27-Mar-2007 20:15:47] <cavehamster> ok nevermind
[27-Mar-2007 20:15:54] <cavehamster> apparently it was using the wrong database name
[27-Mar-2007 20:16:55] <bmbr> ok, just one last more generalized question before i call it a nite chet
[27-Mar-2007 20:17:23] <bmbr> when you first setup zenoss.. is it normal to config a lot of the inventory based information yourself? like setting the machine hw type, os, kernel revision, etc?
[27-Mar-2007 20:17:37] <bmbr> or should i aim to make it be able to grab most of that from snmp before i start worrying about adding machines
[27-Mar-2007 20:17:41] <bmbr> im not sure what to expect of zenoss OOTB
[27-Mar-2007 20:17:47] <chet> No.. aim to collect it automatically.
[27-Mar-2007 20:18:14] <bmbr> ok
[27-Mar-2007 20:18:33] <chet> Anything that isn't collected automatically will probably be overwritten eventually anyway.
[27-Mar-2007 20:18:35] <bmbr> and i should do that based on exactly what im doing now.. trying to get OMSA to install/run/report properly?
[27-Mar-2007 20:19:00] <bmbr> like if a box isnt giving up the info and seems to be configured properly, is it normal to go in and edit the OID its looking for/at?
[27-Mar-2007 20:19:03] <bmbr> or is that overkill
[27-Mar-2007 20:19:39] <chet> In this OMSA case that obviously wouldn't help, but it's completely normal to develop your own performance templates based on the OIDs you're interested in.
[27-Mar-2007 20:20:01] <bmbr> gotcha
[27-Mar-2007 20:20:16] <bmbr> ok, thanks for all of your help chet, i'm not there yet but i can at least see the road from here
[27-Mar-2007 20:20:31] <bmbr> if i make any major breakthrus ill report back for documentations sake
[27-Mar-2007 20:20:35] <bmbr> (or at least the irc log)
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[27-Mar-2007 21:42:13] <ioerror> Who's the best person to submit patches to the install instructions on the website to?
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[27-Mar-2007 21:49:29] <cdillardhsp> anybody be here?
[27-Mar-2007 21:50:09] <cdillardhsp> i gots problems yo
[27-Mar-2007 21:58:02] <oubiwann> ioerror: since those instructions are actually from the instructions in subversion (and thus code), you should post the patch to the zenoss-dev mail list
[27-Mar-2007 22:01:14] <ioerror> oubiwann, I could do that, depending on how it works out, I'll look into it
[27-Mar-2007 22:01:37] <ioerror> The installer itself is kinda weird when combined with the ubuntu install directions
[27-Mar-2007 22:02:17] <ioerror> Are there any plans to make ubuntu/debian packages for the project?
[27-Mar-2007 22:03:09] <oubiwann> ioerror: yes, it's come up several times in the past 9 months, but none of the volunteers has actually finished
[27-Mar-2007 22:03:28] <oubiwann> ioerror: someone did email the list (and post here in the channel) the other day
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[27-Mar-2007 22:03:31] <oubiwann> so we'll see
[27-Mar-2007 22:03:47] <oubiwann> _chris_: wassup, bro!
[27-Mar-2007 22:04:24] <_chris_> hey hoss!
[27-Mar-2007 22:04:29] <_chris_> i'm out in oakland
[27-Mar-2007 22:04:33] <_chris_> it's weird how TV is on all early here
[27-Mar-2007 22:04:37] <oubiwann> heh
[27-Mar-2007 22:04:46] <oubiwann> whatchya doin out there?
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:01] <_chris_> support for a new customer
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:02] <oubiwann> you're only one tz away, now ;-)
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:05] <oubiwann> sweet
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:08] <_chris_> yup
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:12] <oubiwann> zenoss, or swc?
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:19] <_chris_> zenoss
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:22] <oubiwann> nice
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:24] <_chris_> how're you?
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:32] <oubiwann> doing pretty well
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:43] <cdillardhsp> anyone know how to reduce the amount of memory that is siphoned up by python under zenoss?
[27-Mar-2007 22:06:17] <_chris_> cdillardhsp: what daemon is using up the memory?
[27-Mar-2007 22:10:52] <oubiwann> _chris_: hey, dunno if you ever saw it, but I did finally get around to posting about Django URL traversal in Nevow (you were asking about it at pycon)
[27-Mar-2007 22:11:05] <_chris_> i saw that -
[27-Mar-2007 22:11:10] <_chris_> i'm subscribed to your blog
[27-Mar-2007 22:11:15] <oubiwann> oh, cool :-)
[27-Mar-2007 22:11:46] <ioerror> oubiwann, is their work in subversion?
[27-Mar-2007 22:11:53] <oubiwann> ioerror: yup
[27-Mar-2007 22:12:07] <ioerror> Well then, I think I should probably check out the sources ;-)
[27-Mar-2007 22:12:44] <oubiwann> ioerror: if you have a co of the sources, you can make your changes in the appropriate dir and send the output of "svn diff" to the zenoss-dev mail list
[27-Mar-2007 22:12:44] <ioerror> thanks
[27-Mar-2007 22:12:55] <oubiwann> np
[27-Mar-2007 22:14:50] <ioerror> I just checked the source out, so I'll take a look at creating the package and get back to you
[27-Mar-2007 22:26:46] <cdillardhsp> not sure, top says that python is taking up all the mem
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:10] <cdillardhsp> 2673 zenoss 16 0 89516 67m 2576 S 0.0 8.9 1:43.73 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:10] <cdillardhsp> 2661 zenoss 16 0 114m 67m 3668 S 0.0 8.9 2:04.92 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:10] <cdillardhsp> 2690 zenoss 15 0 53712 33m 2608 S 0.0 4.5 3:05.21 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:10] <cdillardhsp> 2985 zenoss 16 0 51116 31m 2456 S 0.0 4.2 0:27.77 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:13] <cdillardhsp> 2899 zenoss 15 0 47360 28m 2500 S 0.0 3.7 3:05.59 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:16] <cdillardhsp> 2666 zenoss 15 0 47580 28m 2560 S 0.0 3.7 2:38.75 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:19] <cdillardhsp> 2704 zenoss 16 0 49080 28m 2428 S 0.0 3.7 0:04.61 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:22] <cdillardhsp> 2697 zenoss 16 0 48048 28m 2468 S 0.0 3.7 0:11.84 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:25] <cdillardhsp> 2719 root 15 0 49432 27m 2548 S 11.3 3.7 18:49.41 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:28] <cdillardhsp> 2711 root 16 0 48108 27m 2512 S 0.0 3.6 0:15.64 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:31] <cdillardhsp> 2941 zenoss 16 0 47168 27m 2476 S 0.0 3.6 0:23.85 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:34] <cdillardhsp> 2966 root 16 0 47484 27m 2544 S 0.0 3.6 0:29.92 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:37] <cdillardhsp> 2632 mysql 16 0 119m 24m 4072 S 0.0 3.3 37:29.16 mysqld
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:40] <cdillardhsp> 4029 root 16 0 19052 14m 1320 S 0.0 2.0 0:05.32 nessusd
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:43] <cdillardhsp> 2657 zenoss 16 0 16724 10m 2420 S 0.0 1.4 0:51.17 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:33:14] <_chris_> you can cross reference those process ids with the Status page in zenoss
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[27-Mar-2007 22:36:43] <cdillardhsp> top two are zenmodeler and zopectl
[27-Mar-2007 22:37:09] <cdillardhsp> then comes zenperfsnmp
[27-Mar-2007 22:37:29] <cdillardhsp> this app is really cool but man is it memory hungry
[27-Mar-2007 22:40:14] <cdillardhsp> is there any way to adjust the settings in these scripts so that they consume less memory?
[27-Mar-2007 22:41:01] <_chris_> cdillardhsp: zenmodeler, zope, and zenperfsnmp are the heavy hitters
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[27-Mar-2007 22:41:25] <_chris_> much of the memory you're seeing comes from zenperfsnmp and zenmodeler reading the model information from the zodb.
[27-Mar-2007 22:41:39] <_chris_> that'll improve in the next release - not sure how much better it'll be tho
[27-Mar-2007 22:50:32] <cdillardhsp> how much memory do I need in my system to support Zenoss fully without swapping?
[27-Mar-2007 22:51:15] <lelakimipa> hi guys
[27-Mar-2007 22:51:19] <lelakimipa> i wanna ask somthin
[27-Mar-2007 22:51:39] <lelakimipa> which better beetwen nagios, nmis, and zenoss?
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[28-Mar-2007 00:17:21] <Snake-Eyes> lelakimipa, zenoss
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[28-Mar-2007 02:52:23] <xinit> haha.. collecting data over ssh on a linux box running Quagga for BGP was not such a good idea
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[28-Mar-2007 04:27:52] <cavehamster> is this a problem? "no portscan plugins found for <device>"
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[28-Mar-2007 04:46:51] <kompressor> hi all zenoss people...
[28-Mar-2007 04:47:43] <kompressor> i wasnt aware that there is such a great oss project going on
[28-Mar-2007 04:48:23] <cavehamster> i just installed it today, its pretty slick
[28-Mar-2007 04:48:56] <kompressor> im about to try it ...busy downloading... :-[ you know how bandwidth is like in ZApersonnel can simultaneously provision and recover hundreds of Linux and Windows desktops, servers, blades and appliances from a single tool
[28-Mar-2007 04:49:19] <kompressor> yah my question above :can an IT personnel can simultaneously provision and recover hundreds of Linux and Windows desktops, servers, blades and appliances from a single tool
[28-Mar-2007 04:49:28] <kompressor> ??? using zenoss?
[28-Mar-2007 04:51:33] <kompressor>
[28-Mar-2007 04:51:59] <cavehamster> as far as I know, zenoss is just for monitoring
[28-Mar-2007 04:52:07] <cavehamster> and not so much for provisoning stuff
[28-Mar-2007 04:52:16] <cavehamster> but, hey, i just installed it today, so what do I know?
[28-Mar-2007 04:52:39] <kompressor> hmm, is there any provisioning planned maybe?
[28-Mar-2007 04:53:51] <cavehamster> sorry, i dont know
[28-Mar-2007 04:54:18] <kompressor> cavehamster: are you one of the users or a developer?
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:07] <xinit> it's not provisioning or recovering
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:10] <xinit> monitoring
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:14] <xinit> and a bit of inventarisation
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:16] <xinit> as it seems
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:17] <cavehamster> user
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:21] <xinit> I installed it yesterday
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:29] <xinit> but it works like a charm
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:33] <xinit> really nice stuff
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:48] <xinit> much more complete and user friendly than nagios
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[28-Mar-2007 04:58:02] <jeg1972> Morning everyone
[28-Mar-2007 04:58:53] <kompressor> 8-) xinit
[28-Mar-2007 05:02:36] <jeg1972> Lots more people on this channel recently
[28-Mar-2007 05:04:51] <cavehamster> so, any idea why zenoss doesn't seem to see the http services on my linux boxen?
[28-Mar-2007 05:05:31] <cavehamster> or, how do I go about adding a non-discovered service to be monitored?
[28-Mar-2007 05:05:32] <jeg1972> Router or firewall blocking port 80?
[28-Mar-2007 05:05:43] <cavehamster> nope, this is on localhost
[28-Mar-2007 05:06:03] <cavehamster> it sees everything else
[28-Mar-2007 05:06:24] <cavehamster> i'm seeing this same behaviour on at least 2 linux boxen, one localhost, one remote
[28-Mar-2007 05:06:30] <cavehamster> both of them have snmp enabled
[28-Mar-2007 05:07:01] <jeg1972> So, you're monitoring HTTP on the same box that Zenoss is installed on?
[28-Mar-2007 05:07:18] <cavehamster> yes
[28-Mar-2007 05:07:49] <jeg1972> You running Zenoss on port 8080?
[28-Mar-2007 05:07:54] <cavehamster> correct
[28-Mar-2007 05:08:16] <jeg1972> Wjhat happens if you perform a nmap 127.0.0.1?
[28-Mar-2007 05:08:32] <cavehamster> 80/tcp open http
[28-Mar-2007 05:09:47] <jeg1972> So, port 8080 isn't open?
[28-Mar-2007 05:10:10] <cavehamster> yes it is
[28-Mar-2007 05:10:24] <cavehamster> actually, it looks like the problem is that snmpd isn't reporting port 80 being in use
[28-Mar-2007 05:12:47] <jeg1972> OK, you've lost me now... You're running Zenoss on port 8080, but nmap doesn't show 8080 as being open.
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:01] <cavehamster> i apologize for the confusion
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:03] <cavehamster> here's the setup
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:12] <cavehamster> zenoss is running port 8080, which nmap shows open
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:20] <cavehamster> zenoss is using snmp to poll localhost
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:30] <cavehamster> localhost is also running a web server at port 80
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:37] <jeg1972> Ah I see!
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:48] <cavehamster> zenoss sees all the other ports (maybe 30 of them) that are open and in use
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:51] <cavehamster> but not port 80
[28-Mar-2007 05:14:10] <cavehamster> HOWEVER further debugging using snmpwalk shows that it is not returning the fact that port 80 is even open
[28-Mar-2007 05:14:23] <jeg1972> You've got Zenoss on 8080 and Apache (or something) on 80
[28-Mar-2007 05:14:32] <cavehamster> yes
[28-Mar-2007 05:14:54] <cavehamster> ok, further, the problem appears to be that snmp is not returning any data for ip6 enabled services
[28-Mar-2007 05:15:00] <cavehamster> sooo it looks like an snmp issue
[28-Mar-2007 05:15:21] <jeg1972> There isn't any permissions for your Webserver on port 80 that doens't allow localhost to view it is there?
[28-Mar-2007 05:15:32] <cavehamster> nah, its all open
[28-Mar-2007 05:15:50] <cavehamster> a netstat -lpn shows a number of services that look like this
[28-Mar-2007 05:15:50] <cavehamster> tcp6 0 0 :::80
[28-Mar-2007 05:16:00] <jeg1972> What does your snmpd.conf file look like? There isn't much in mine
[28-Mar-2007 05:16:03] <cavehamster> all of these listed services are not found in a snmpwalk
[28-Mar-2007 05:17:07] <jeg1972> The scond part of your questions easier ;-)
[28-Mar-2007 05:17:21] <cavehamster> lol
[28-Mar-2007 05:17:25] <cavehamster> well, let me ask you this
[28-Mar-2007 05:17:32] <jeg1972> Goto Management -> /Add Device
[28-Mar-2007 05:17:33] <cavehamster> i have a router, a WRT54GS
[28-Mar-2007 05:17:59] <cavehamster> which is running dd-wrt, but its one of the versions that does not have enough memory for snmp
[28-Mar-2007 05:18:03] <cavehamster> i can ping it
[28-Mar-2007 05:18:18] <cavehamster> but I would also like to check that the web service on port 8080 is up
[28-Mar-2007 05:18:51] <cavehamster> i added it to zenoss, using the discovery protocol 'none'
[28-Mar-2007 05:18:58] <cavehamster> (i only have snmp and none availible)
[28-Mar-2007 05:19:05] <cavehamster> so, it ping check it
[28-Mar-2007 05:19:17] <cavehamster> but how do I ask it to check a service?
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[28-Mar-2007 05:20:21] <cavehamster> following along in the admin docs, I added 'portmap' in the 'zTransportPreference' page, and did a 'collect configuration', but it doesn't seem to be doing a portmap
[28-Mar-2007 05:20:27] <cavehamster> do I need to install a plugin?
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[28-Mar-2007 05:44:23] <cavehamster> interesting
[28-Mar-2007 05:45:53] <N[]VA> oh?
[28-Mar-2007 05:46:17] <cavehamster> i guess ipv6 services just dont get reported via snmp
[28-Mar-2007 05:47:46] <cavehamster> do I have to install anything to get the portmap plugin working?
[28-Mar-2007 05:48:39] <N[]VA> sorry no idea there
[28-Mar-2007 05:48:40] <N[]VA> =]
[28-Mar-2007 05:56:26] <cavehamster> WARNING zen.ZenModeler no cmd plugins found for VPTA
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[28-Mar-2007 06:58:51] <cavehamster> ok how do you delete an event?
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[28-Mar-2007 07:05:20] <jeg1972> You can't delete an event from the GUI as that would break the Audit Trail. You can assign the evnt to history though
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[28-Mar-2007 07:06:45] <cavehamster> ok
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[28-Mar-2007 07:18:08] <jeg1972> If you really want to get rid of it, you can delete from db directly
[28-Mar-2007 07:19:40] <cavehamster> gotcha
[28-Mar-2007 07:20:47] <cavehamster> interesting, I moved a 'system' group around, and now although I have a device in it with an error, the dash board shows no errors in that system group
[28-Mar-2007 07:20:57] <cavehamster> although, it does show the device on the dashboard with the error
[28-Mar-2007 07:25:17] <xinit> the plugins that can be downloaded, is this for remote hosts, or the host running zenoss?
[28-Mar-2007 07:28:49] <jeg1972> I would advise not to install any plugins on the server running Zenoss... I've had strange things happen when I did this... keep them for remote servers onkly
[28-Mar-2007 07:28:52] <jeg1972> only
[28-Mar-2007 07:29:40] <xinit> ah ok
[28-Mar-2007 07:29:54] <jeg1972> cavehamster: I don't really have a use for groups as we don't have enough devices to use them
[28-Mar-2007 07:29:55] <xinit> jeg1972: do you know how I can read cpu info with snmpd on linux?
[28-Mar-2007 07:30:07] <xinit> currently, no cpu info shows up for a linux machin
[28-Mar-2007 07:31:55] <cavehamster> yeah, no worries
[28-Mar-2007 07:33:20] <jeg1972> All of my boxes display CPU info by default... I guess it's how you've set up you snmpd.conf file, mine has very little in...
[28-Mar-2007 07:33:58] <jeg1972> Unless you are talking about the CPUs info under the Hardware tab rather than the graphs under the Perf tanb?
[28-Mar-2007 07:34:02] <jeg1972> tab?
[28-Mar-2007 07:34:06] <xinit> I was
[28-Mar-2007 07:34:18] <xinit> I have them in Perf tab
[28-Mar-2007 07:34:22] <xinit> but not in hardware
[28-Mar-2007 07:35:12] <xinit> for the voltage stuff, you probably need lmsensors
[28-Mar-2007 07:35:26] <jeg1972> Yeah, that seems down to the hardware vendor... we have HP Proliants that show the CPU info and Supermicros that don't
[28-Mar-2007 07:35:29] <xinit> but the speed, model and l1/l2 can be read from /proc/cpuinfo
[28-Mar-2007 07:35:38] <xinit> ah ok
[28-Mar-2007 07:35:50] <xinit> you read that via snmp?
[28-Mar-2007 07:35:55] <xinit> or via ssh?
[28-Mar-2007 07:36:29] <jeg1972> Yeah, we read all of our stuff via SNMP, but I'm going to set up an SSH reading on one box just so I can test it out
[28-Mar-2007 07:36:45] <xinit> ah ok
[28-Mar-2007 07:36:51] <xinit> I did that this morning with a BGP router
[28-Mar-2007 07:36:55] <xinit> running quagga
[28-Mar-2007 07:37:00] <xinit> wasn't such a good idea
[28-Mar-2007 07:37:00] <jeg1972> How did it go?
[28-Mar-2007 07:37:07] <xinit> the thing has 200.000 routes
[28-Mar-2007 07:37:35] <jeg1972> Ah!
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[28-Mar-2007 07:37:48] <xinit> would be nice to disable what you want to get and what you don't want to get
[28-Mar-2007 07:37:57] <xinit> next to that.. the routes change very often
[28-Mar-2007 07:38:13] <jeg1972> I haven't got around to monitoring my routers yet, only the switches
[28-Mar-2007 07:38:20] <xinit> yeah
[28-Mar-2007 07:38:23] <xinit> switches are nice
[28-Mar-2007 07:38:43] <xinit> I just added 4 of our HP switches
[28-Mar-2007 07:39:12] <jeg1972> cool...
[28-Mar-2007 07:39:16] <cavehamster> jeg1972, thanks a bunch for your help, it is appreciated.
[28-Mar-2007 07:39:20] <cavehamster> i'm going to bed
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[28-Mar-2007 07:39:38] <xinit> cavehamster: where do you live then/
[28-Mar-2007 07:39:41] <xinit> australia?
[28-Mar-2007 07:39:48] <jeg1972> Sorry I couldn't be of more help... I'll help as much as I can usually :-)
[28-Mar-2007 07:39:56] <cavehamster> nope, new mexico, usa
[28-Mar-2007 07:40:04] <cavehamster> <--- night owl
[28-Mar-2007 07:40:06] <xinit> haha
[28-Mar-2007 07:40:17] <jeg1972> Where are you xinit?
[28-Mar-2007 07:40:22] <xinit> netherlands
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[28-Mar-2007 07:41:10] <xinit> you?
[28-Mar-2007 07:41:25] <jeg1972> England
[28-Mar-2007 07:41:29] <xinit> ah, cool
[28-Mar-2007 07:41:45] <xinit> really should go there one time
[28-Mar-2007 07:42:03] <jeg1972> I've been to the Netherlands more than any other country... I love it
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[28-Mar-2007 07:42:26] <xinit> jeg1972: any particular reason?
[28-Mar-2007 07:42:43] <jeg1972> Why I like it?
[28-Mar-2007 07:42:47] <xinit> yes
[28-Mar-2007 07:43:07] <xinit> I ask, since lot of english people come here for the coffee shops
[28-Mar-2007 07:43:42] <jeg1972> Atmosphere is very chilled... and the people are friendly... and my Dutch isn't very good, but you all speak English incredibly well :-)
[28-Mar-2007 07:43:59] <xinit> haha
[28-Mar-2007 07:44:01] <xinit> we have to
[28-Mar-2007 07:44:27] <xinit> and it's in our culture (trading history) to speak different languages
[28-Mar-2007 07:44:48] <xinit> next tot that, all foreign tv shows are subtitled
[28-Mar-2007 07:45:00] <xinit> as opposed to what they do in germany and france
[28-Mar-2007 07:45:04] <jeg1972> I can say enough to get me by
[28-Mar-2007 07:45:15] <xinit> great!
[28-Mar-2007 07:45:35] <xinit> same goes for my english
[28-Mar-2007 07:45:36] <xinit>
[28-Mar-2007 07:45:43] <jeg1972> But every time I try to speak Dutch, you all want to practice your English!!! :-)
[28-Mar-2007 07:45:47] <xinit> hahaha
[28-Mar-2007 07:46:53] <xinit> last weekend I was in Amsterdam.. noticed that you hear a lot of English on the street
[28-Mar-2007 07:48:06] <jeg1972> We're really bad at learning languages over here...
[28-Mar-2007 07:49:36] <xinit> what languages do you learn in highschool normally?
[28-Mar-2007 07:50:37] <jeg1972> Well, I learnt French and German... but that was many years ago, it seems that Spanish is very popular now
[28-Mar-2007 07:52:09] <xinit> here we get french, german, english, dutch.. most of it from 4 to 6 years. Next to that, some schools allow you to take russian and spanish as well
[28-Mar-2007 07:52:17] <xinit> and latin and ancient greek
[28-Mar-2007 08:02:38] <jeg1972> We don't start early enough, although there are plans to start introducing languages earlier... I only learnt languages from 11-16 which is far too late
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[28-Mar-2007 08:52:29] <N[]VA> quick question
[28-Mar-2007 08:52:37] <N[]VA> if I wanted to scan my network range
[28-Mar-2007 08:52:40] <N[]VA> and add every device
[28-Mar-2007 08:52:44] <N[]VA> just for ping monitoring
[28-Mar-2007 08:52:55] <N[]VA> how would I do that in the fastest way?
[28-Mar-2007 09:06:05] <jeg1972> Add the subnet you want to monitor under the 'Networks' section of the GUI and then run an autodiscovery
[28-Mar-2007 09:11:46] <N[]VA> thanks
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[28-Mar-2007 09:13:04] <N[]VA> how would you run autodiscovery?
[28-Mar-2007 09:24:31] <jeg1972> logon to the console as the zenoss user and then run:
[28-Mar-2007 09:24:33] <jeg1972> snmpwalk -v1 -c communityString gate system
[28-Mar-2007 09:25:55] <jeg1972> Sorry ignore that last item, I p[asted the wrong entry
[28-Mar-2007 09:25:59] <jeg1972> You need:
[28-Mar-2007 09:26:08] <jeg1972> zendisc run --net xx.xx.xx.xx
[28-Mar-2007 09:26:24] <jeg1972> where xx.xx.xx.xx is the start of the subnet you want to discover
[28-Mar-2007 09:26:45] <jeg1972> You must run it as the zenoss user though
[28-Mar-2007 09:35:01] <N[]VA> yea
[28-Mar-2007 09:35:04] <N[]VA> found the issue
[28-Mar-2007 09:35:05] <N[]VA>
[28-Mar-2007 09:37:54] <N[]VA> SystemExit: network xx.xx.xx.xx not found in dmd
[28-Mar-2007 09:37:56] <N[]VA> hurmf
[28-Mar-2007 09:38:06] <N[]VA> running as zenoss user
[28-Mar-2007 09:38:11] <N[]VA> and obviously using the ip
[28-Mar-2007 09:38:15] <N[]VA> not xx.xx
[28-Mar-2007 09:38:39] <jeg1972> Did you add it in the GUI first?
[28-Mar-2007 09:39:36] <N[]VA> added the full range
[28-Mar-2007 09:39:45] <N[]VA> xx.xx.xx.xx/xx
[28-Mar-2007 09:40:55] <chet> Make sure you leave off the /xx part in the zendisc command line.
[28-Mar-2007 09:41:12] <N[]VA> ok
[28-Mar-2007 09:41:24] <N[]VA> ah
[28-Mar-2007 09:41:24] <chet> zenoss identifies networks by their network id, not cidr representation.
[28-Mar-2007 09:41:25] <N[]VA> right
[28-Mar-2007 09:41:26] <N[]VA> working
[28-Mar-2007 09:41:32] <N[]VA>
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[28-Mar-2007 13:28:35] <jp10558> Does anyone know what winexe is that the admin guide refers to for running commands on windows systems?
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[28-Mar-2007 13:43:16] <korozion> If I open the snmp port on a remote server, will zenoss detect it as if it was local?
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[28-Mar-2007 13:51:12] <jp10558> Does anyone have and documentation on winexe commands?
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[28-Mar-2007 14:54:50] <chet> jp10558: winexe commands are anything you can run from a windows cmd shell.
[28-Mar-2007 14:55:43] <chet> I actually just tried it for the first time.. and it worked. I'm shocked.
[28-Mar-2007 15:03:05] <jp10558> But I have to install winexe right
[28-Mar-2007 15:06:19] <chet> I suppose so. Mine was installed automatically since I did the source method on a Linux system.
[28-Mar-2007 15:06:58] <jp10558> oh, I see
[28-Mar-2007 15:07:09] <jp10558> How often is the WMI data updated by ZenWin?
[28-Mar-2007 15:10:13] <chet> 12 hours.. just like zenmodeler.
[28-Mar-2007 15:10:43] <chet> That's how often the list of services is rebuilt.
[28-Mar-2007 15:12:13] <jp10558> Oh boy... so how exactly do you know if a windows service goes down? 12 hours is a very long time
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[28-Mar-2007 15:25:06] <jp10558> anyone know what a Fault: <Fault -1: 'Unexpected Zope exception: exceptions.TypeError - dictionary key must be string'> means with zenwin?
[28-Mar-2007 15:28:30] <jp10558> This thing was working and now it isn't
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[28-Mar-2007 15:32:11] <baribaultg> help!!! Hey out there ..
[28-Mar-2007 15:32:30] <baribaultg> trying to install zenoss on openSuSE 10.2
[28-Mar-2007 15:32:46] <baribaultg> can anyone offer any wise information?
[28-Mar-2007 15:35:04] <baribaultg> WOW .. some people are short on caffeine here!!!!
[28-Mar-2007 15:36:00] <jp10558> I'm not sure how many people here actually know much about Zenoss
[28-Mar-2007 15:36:10] <creiht> baribaultg: Most of us here are users, that happen to also be working at our job so ask and hopefully someone will answer
[28-Mar-2007 15:36:37] <creiht> The devs have been super busy lately so they are not on IRC much
[28-Mar-2007 15:37:09] <creiht> They are usually fairly responsive to the mailing list though if you don't find your answer here
[28-Mar-2007 15:37:17] <jp10558> Let me just say this isn't exactly easy, and specifically ZenWin seems to be pretty broken
[28-Mar-2007 15:37:20] <baribaultg> ok .. I'm installing 1.1.1 on SuSe 10.2 and getting a message that mkzomeinsance.py is not foud ...
[28-Mar-2007 15:37:25] <jp10558> or non intuitave to set up
[28-Mar-2007 15:37:50] <jp10558> Do they watch the zen-users list or zen-dev list? How do you get on one of the lists? I tried in the forum, and just got an error
[28-Mar-2007 15:37:53] <creiht> baribaultg: Are you installing froum source
[28-Mar-2007 15:37:53] <baribaultg> I went in and checked the configure script and found that it was looking for 2.3.5 and I had 2.4.2 which it figured was not enough ..
[28-Mar-2007 15:38:07] <baribaultg> yep .. RPN does'nt work
[28-Mar-2007 15:38:35] <baribaultg> says I have MySQL too old .. I installed MySQL from www.mysql.com
[28-Mar-2007 15:38:41] <baribaultg> RPM
[28-Mar-2007 15:39:02] <baribaultg> but it was still pissed .. so I got pissed too and started the install from source
[28-Mar-2007 15:39:47] <baribaultg> I changed the configure script to work ... and now that's stating "must supply either home or prefix/exec-prefix -- not both"
[28-Mar-2007 15:40:08] <baribaultg> i swear .. this thing has no sense of humour!!!
[28-Mar-2007 15:40:15] <creiht> baribaultg: Which version of zenoss are you installing
[28-Mar-2007 15:40:18] <creiht> hehe
[28-Mar-2007 15:40:22] <baribaultg> 1.1..1
[28-Mar-2007 15:41:05] <baribaultg> I've surmounted many problems, but this one has me stumped
[28-Mar-2007 15:41:23] <creiht> hmmm
[28-Mar-2007 15:41:30] <creiht> I'm not sure if I will be much help
[28-Mar-2007 15:41:39] <creiht> Install from source worked without an issue for me
[28-Mar-2007 15:41:53] <creiht> I would try posting to the mailing list
[28-Mar-2007 15:42:12] <baribaultg> I'm trying to make zope by hand .. I'm trying make install or make instance in the build/zope-2.8.8-final direct
[28-Mar-2007 15:42:27] <creiht> hmmm
[28-Mar-2007 15:42:33] <creiht> It shouldn't have to be that hard
[28-Mar-2007 15:42:48] <creiht> baribaultg: You tried installing it with install.sh right?
[28-Mar-2007 15:42:49] <baribaultg> yep .. that's the way it always is with it....
[28-Mar-2007 15:42:53] <creiht> zenoss that is
[28-Mar-2007 15:42:55] <baribaultg> yep
[28-Mar-2007 15:43:11] <baribaultg> that failed with mkzomeinstance.py not found
[28-Mar-2007 15:43:35] <baribaultg> mkzopeinstance.py that is
[28-Mar-2007 15:43:54] <baribaultg> damn this Australian wine!
[28-Mar-2007 15:44:03] <baribaultg> :-)
[28-Mar-2007 15:44:10] <creiht> hehe
[28-Mar-2007 15:44:12] <creiht> thinking....
[28-Mar-2007 15:44:37] <baribaultg> yep .. I've been doing that for a few hours .. but in my case .. it's still not working
[28-Mar-2007 15:44:53] <creiht> You created the zenoss user, and exported the various ZEN variables as well?
[28-Mar-2007 15:44:59] <baribaultg> yep ..
[28-Mar-2007 15:45:14] <baribaultg> I'.m pretty sure I'm past that at this point ..
[28-Mar-2007 15:45:24] <creiht> hehe
[28-Mar-2007 15:45:29] <baribaultg> it creates the MySQL tables and a bunch of stuff
[28-Mar-2007 15:45:35] <creiht> Did the install every fail before you had this issue?
[28-Mar-2007 15:45:41] <creiht> err ever
[28-Mar-2007 15:45:55] <baribaultg> hey .. I Downloaded it this afternoon for the first time ..
[28-Mar-2007 15:46:04] <creiht> hehe
[28-Mar-2007 15:46:12] <baribaultg> I got all of the SNMP working .. tested it with MRTG ..
[28-Mar-2007 15:46:21] <baribaultg> now I'm at zenoss .. :-D
[28-Mar-2007 15:46:25] <baribaultg> having fun ..
[28-Mar-2007 15:46:57] <creiht> look at zenbuild.log
[28-Mar-2007 15:47:05] <creiht> and see if it has anything revealing in there
[28-Mar-2007 15:47:11] <creiht> at the end of the file
[28-Mar-2007 15:47:25] <baribaultg> brb
[28-Mar-2007 15:48:05] <baribaultg> nah .. eof says events database created and loaded
[28-Mar-2007 15:48:26] <creiht> jp10558: And I wish I could help, but unfortunately I haven't had to use zenwin yet
[28-Mar-2007 15:48:57] <baribaultg> I'm not on Windoze .. I'm on OpenSuSE
[28-Mar-2007 15:49:17] <creiht> baribaultg: Yeah... I was just telling that to jp10558
[28-Mar-2007 15:49:33] <baribaultg> anyone else here alive? There's 31 people here .. anyone else awake?
[28-Mar-2007 15:49:40] <baribaultg> LOL
[28-Mar-2007 15:51:50] <creiht> baribaultg: What do you get if you type in
[28-Mar-2007 15:51:55] <creiht> echo $ZENHOME
[28-Mar-2007 15:52:08] <baribaultg> brb
[28-Mar-2007 15:52:30] <baribaultg> nada .. WTF
[28-Mar-2007 15:52:56] <creiht> baribaultg: Well that is probably the problem
[28-Mar-2007 15:53:49] <baribaultg> DAMN .. I was sure I was under the zenoss user .. and I adjusted .profile
[28-Mar-2007 15:53:55] <baribaultg> trying again
[28-Mar-2007 15:54:19] <baribaultg> this will take 2 or 3 minutes
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[28-Mar-2007 16:11:31] <baribaultg> still working on it
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[28-Mar-2007 16:13:23] <baribaultg> the ssytem was not reading and executing my .profile .. don't know why
[28-Mar-2007 16:13:39] <creiht> odd
[28-Mar-2007 16:13:41] <baribaultg> I just did the exports by hand
[28-Mar-2007 16:13:45] <baribaultg> yep
[28-Mar-2007 16:14:56] <jreese2> is there a good resource for the requirements of developing a plugin? the wiki page for it is empty :/
[28-Mar-2007 16:15:06] <jreese2> (data collector plugin)
[28-Mar-2007 16:16:39] <creiht> jreese2: There are not a whole lot of docs on that yet
[28-Mar-2007 16:16:47] <creiht> They are working on a system for that
[28-Mar-2007 16:16:50] <baribaultg> Tia%bB&M
[28-Mar-2007 16:16:52] <jreese2> ok
[28-Mar-2007 16:16:53] <creiht> A new system
[28-Mar-2007 16:17:00] <creiht> Called zenpack
[28-Mar-2007 16:17:17] <creiht> I'm waiting for that to come out myself
[28-Mar-2007 16:17:22] <creiht> so that I can write a plugin
[28-Mar-2007 16:17:29] <jreese2> no alpha/betas available?
[28-Mar-2007 16:17:45] <creiht> jreese2: Not that I know of...
[28-Mar-2007 16:18:07] <baribaultg> DAMN .. again .. 'can't open /usr/local/zenoss/bin/mkzopeinstance,py'
[28-Mar-2007 16:18:12] <jreese2> iight
[28-Mar-2007 16:18:35] <creiht> baribaultg: what happens if you do:
[28-Mar-2007 16:18:41] <creiht> ls /usr/local/zenoss/bin/mkzopeinstance,py
[28-Mar-2007 16:19:02] <baribaultg> and echo $ZENHOME is good this time
[28-Mar-2007 16:20:02] <baribaultg> no such file or direc##tory
[28-Mar-2007 16:20:10] <baribaultg> not found
[28-Mar-2007 16:20:18] <baribaultg> it didn't create it
[28-Mar-2007 16:20:28] <creiht> jreese2: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/WhatIsAZenPack
[28-Mar-2007 16:20:28] <adytum-bot> Title: WhatIsAZenPack - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[28-Mar-2007 16:20:36] <creiht> baribaultg: What is your ZENHOME set to?
[28-Mar-2007 16:22:13] <creiht> jreese2: It looks like they have the beginnings of the zenpack stuff in the current trunk
[28-Mar-2007 16:28:38] <baribaultg> $ZENHOME says /usr/local/zenoss
[28-Mar-2007 16:28:50] <baribaultg> gotta go get dinner
[28-Mar-2007 16:28:58] <baribaultg> be back later
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[28-Mar-2007 19:16:04] <breadatfacebook> hola zenoss chat
[28-Mar-2007 19:16:56] <breadatfacebook> I'm doing a zenoss eval, wondering how to drop incoming events (I know its possible, looking for an example of howto)
[28-Mar-2007 19:25:21] <breadatfacebook> I added 2000 hosts, now I've got thousands of events
[28-Mar-2007 19:25:28] <breadatfacebook> can't figure out how to clear the event console
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[28-Mar-2007 19:53:37] <cavehamster> so, maybe I am overlooking it, but is there a way to have zenoss continue to send an alert every x minutes until it is resolved?
[28-Mar-2007 20:00:52] <breadatfacebook> thats a good question, I'd like to know too
[28-Mar-2007 20:01:41] <breadatfacebook> damn, multiple event view rules on evt.component doesnt work
[28-Mar-2007 20:02:06] <cavehamster> hmm
[28-Mar-2007 20:02:59] <breadatfacebook> so its my 2nd day, but things that I thought would intuitively just "work" don't work the way I thought...uggg
[28-Mar-2007 20:03:59] <Snake-Eyes> events can be moved to history and then from there deleted
[28-Mar-2007 20:04:32] <Snake-Eyes> err or maybe not deleted from history
[28-Mar-2007 20:05:10] <Snake-Eyes> but they can be moved from events page to history
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[28-Mar-2007 21:01:51] <breadatfacebook> aahh..ok
[28-Mar-2007 21:10:44] <breadatfacebook> lets see if my eventclass works...
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[29-Mar-2007 02:58:12] <jeg1972> Morning everyone!
[29-Mar-2007 03:15:09] <Snake-Eyes> Good night, im off home
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[29-Mar-2007 04:37:38] <N[]VA> morning
[29-Mar-2007 04:44:19] <jeg1972> Morning
[29-Mar-2007 04:49:49] <N[]VA> have a question you might be able to help with
[29-Mar-2007 04:49:55] <N[]VA> web site monitoring
[29-Mar-2007 04:50:11] <N[]VA> I found the article inthe wiki
[29-Mar-2007 04:50:33] <N[]VA> though for checking and data points its blank
[29-Mar-2007 04:50:34] <N[]VA> =\
[29-Mar-2007 04:51:05] <N[]VA> there a pre set way to monitor websites in zenoss?
[29-Mar-2007 04:58:12] <jeg1972> Well, that's the next thing on my list to do... You can do it with the Nagios check_http plugin. See here: http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=236&highlight=checkhttp
[29-Mar-2007 04:58:12] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - website monitoring? (at community.zenoss.com)
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[29-Mar-2007 05:23:59] <N[]VA> thanks
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[29-Mar-2007 06:35:09] <N[]VA> jeg1972 got a min?
[29-Mar-2007 06:35:28] <jeg1972> Yes, I have at the moment
[29-Mar-2007 06:35:32] <N[]VA> kewl
[29-Mar-2007 06:35:40] <N[]VA> I still dont see how this is meant to work
[29-Mar-2007 06:36:17] <N[]VA> have added the rule as per the wiki/forum
[29-Mar-2007 06:36:19] <jeg1972> What part?
[29-Mar-2007 06:36:28] <jeg1972> OK.
[29-Mar-2007 06:37:13] <N[]VA> from console it works
[29-Mar-2007 06:37:18] <N[]VA> fetches the page
[29-Mar-2007 06:37:21] <N[]VA> finds what im looking for
[29-Mar-2007 06:37:46] <N[]VA> component set to pagecheks
[29-Mar-2007 06:38:23] <N[]VA> so thats all setup
[29-Mar-2007 06:38:25] <N[]VA> and from there?
[29-Mar-2007 06:38:32] <N[]VA> it just dosent seem to do any thing
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[29-Mar-2007 06:43:33] <N[]VA> getting OperationalError: (1305, 'PROCEDURE events.age_events does not exist')
[29-Mar-2007 06:43:37] <N[]VA> in zenactions.log
[29-Mar-2007 06:44:50] <N[]VA> thats mail related though
[29-Mar-2007 06:44:51] <N[]VA> i think
[29-Mar-2007 06:46:27] <jeg1972> MMmm, I'll try and investigate
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[29-Mar-2007 07:04:46] <N[]VA> I suspect there is a problem with my install
[29-Mar-2007 07:04:48] <N[]VA> busy redoing it
[29-Mar-2007 07:04:56] <N[]VA> though cant rpm -e nor yum remove
[29-Mar-2007 07:05:03] <N[]VA> line 2: /opt/zenoss/bin/shared-functions.sh: No such file or directory
[29-Mar-2007 07:05:11] <N[]VA> error: %preun(zenoss-1.1.1-0.i386) scriptlet failed, exit status 1
[29-Mar-2007 07:12:08] <jp10558> Still trying to get ZenWin working again - anyone here have any ideas about Fault: <Fault -1: 'Unexpected Zope exception: exceptions.TypeError - dictionary key must be string'> ?
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[29-Mar-2007 09:48:07] <jp10558> Still trying to get ZenWin working again - anyone here have any ideas about Fault: <Fault -1: 'Unexpected Zope exception: exceptions.TypeError - dictionary key must be string'> ? I've tried resetting the config file... I think there's something wrong in the Zenoss server...
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[29-Mar-2007 09:57:25] <chet> jp.. just posted the solution to the mailing list.
[29-Mar-2007 09:58:26] <chet> just forwarded it to you.
[29-Mar-2007 10:03:01] <jp10558> you know, I don't think I get mailing list posts in the forums
[29-Mar-2007 10:03:08] <jp10558> your old post on the other one never showed up
[29-Mar-2007 10:03:46] <chet> yeah.. the bridge seems broken.
[29-Mar-2007 10:03:56] <chet> I like mailing lists because it's easier for me to see what I've already read.
[29-Mar-2007 10:08:13] <jp10558> If I could join the mailing list
[29-Mar-2007 10:08:29] <jp10558> It just gives me errors on trying to set that in prefs in both Opera 9.1 and IE6
[29-Mar-2007 10:10:25] <jp10558> Do you know how to remove machines from the Zenoss infrastructure? Because my XP machine never worked with ZenWin, I've "retired" it and set up a Server 2k3 machine for that - but I keep getting dashboard entries for the old XP machine
[29-Mar-2007 10:10:42] <chet> What kind of entries?
[29-Mar-2007 10:10:43] <jp10558> I've removed the device that was the XP machine from the console, but it still gives infrastructure failures
[29-Mar-2007 10:10:51] <jp10558> on the overview of the dashboard
[29-Mar-2007 10:10:57] <chet> oh.. go into event manager and clear heartbeats
[29-Mar-2007 10:11:06] <chet> With no old heartbeats it won't expect new ones.
[29-Mar-2007 10:11:35] <jp10558> oh ok
[29-Mar-2007 10:11:37] <jp10558> thanks
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[29-Mar-2007 10:35:18] <jp10558> If I upgrade perl - do I need to reinstall Zenoss, or change the configuration, or will it just detect the new version?
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[29-Mar-2007 10:55:25] <chet> Your version of perl shouldn't matter at all.
[29-Mar-2007 10:58:24] <jreese2> does anyone know which ZenModel is used for bandwidth monitoring?
[29-Mar-2007 10:58:29] <jp10558> err python lol
[29-Mar-2007 10:59:32] <chet> jreese2: I'm not sure I understand the question.. IpInterface is the model it is keyed on. RRDTemplate would be the model for the time-series data.
[29-Mar-2007 11:00:01] <creiht> jp10558: It should in theory pick it up. I would stop zenoss before you do the upgrade. What version are you upgrading to, and on what OS?
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[29-Mar-2007 11:00:25] <chet> jp10558: You definitely need to reinstall zenoss and all of it's externallibs. Remove $ZENHOME/bin $ZENHOME/lib $ZENHOME/Products and reinstall zenoss.
[29-Mar-2007 11:00:29] <chet> Your data will stay.
[29-Mar-2007 11:01:06] <jreese2> RRDTemplate is probably what i needed, thanks
[29-Mar-2007 11:01:23] <jp10558> How do I evaulate $ZenHome?
[29-Mar-2007 11:01:32] <jp10558> do I just type that in?
[29-Mar-2007 11:01:46] <creiht> jp10558: Of course what chet said is much safer
[29-Mar-2007 11:01:52] <chet> As long as you're the zenoss user you sould be able to "echo $ZENHOME" and see.
[29-Mar-2007 11:02:00] <jp10558> ah ha
[29-Mar-2007 11:02:00] <chet> If I recall, yours is /usr/local/zenoss
[29-Mar-2007 11:03:02] <jp10558> cool - it's /opt/zenoss
[29-Mar-2007 11:03:04] <jp10558> found it
[29-Mar-2007 11:03:19] <jp10558> ok, so I remove those, and reinstall zenoss - should I also uninstall the older version of python?
[29-Mar-2007 11:03:54] <creiht> jp10558: You can leave the old version installed
[29-Mar-2007 11:04:25] <creiht> Most linuxes install separate versions, and then symlink python to a specific version
[29-Mar-2007 11:04:27] <jp10558> is there a safe RPM for RHEL4? I found one for fedora core 3, but ...
[29-Mar-2007 11:04:56] <creiht> jp10558: For python?
[29-Mar-2007 11:05:00] <jp10558> yes
[29-Mar-2007 11:05:08] <creiht> What version are you running right now?
[29-Mar-2007 11:05:19] <chet> jp10558: Run "env python -V"
[29-Mar-2007 11:05:28] <chet> That'll tell you which version of python is the default.
[29-Mar-2007 11:05:46] <jp10558> 2.3.4
[29-Mar-2007 11:05:46] <creiht> The latest "official" version of Python for RHEL4 is 2.3
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:02] <jp10558> I need to go to 2.4 for Zenoss to work with ZenWin correctly
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:13] <creiht> Install Ubuntu
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:31] <creiht> There are no "safe" RPMS for python 2.4 for RHEL4
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:41] <creiht> or supported I should say
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:44] <jp10558> Well, our Linux Support people only use Scientific Linux 4, which is basically RHEL4
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:46] <creiht> You can download the source
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:53] <creiht> And compile
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:58] <jp10558> mmm
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:59] <creiht> Which I did on RHEL3
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:00] <jp10558> ok
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:06] <creiht> It was fairly easy
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:11] <creiht> And has worked so far for me
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:17] <jp10558> ok
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:27] <creiht> Another sticky thing
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:44] <creiht> Redhat uses Python for a lot of its utilities and such
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:46] <jp10558> is there a zenoss uninstall? Or can I just remove $ZENHOME ... and run the installers again
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:57] <creiht> just remove $ZENHOME
[29-Mar-2007 11:08:12] <jp10558> ok
[29-Mar-2007 11:08:26] <creiht> So the safest thing is to keep the current python installed
[29-Mar-2007 11:08:34] <jp10558> right, and just install the newer one
[29-Mar-2007 11:08:39] <creiht> yes
[29-Mar-2007 11:08:47] <jp10558> ok, I think I will bug our Linux people a little too
[29-Mar-2007 11:08:57] <creiht> jp10558: It can be a bit of a pain
[29-Mar-2007 11:09:20] <creiht> Of course you could upgrade to RHEL5
[29-Mar-2007 11:09:28] <creiht> Which supports 2.4
[29-Mar-2007 11:12:18] <creiht> jp10558: How important is the box that you are installing zenoss on? I would suggest testing installing python 2.4 on a test system
[29-Mar-2007 11:12:28] <creiht> Just to be safe
[29-Mar-2007 11:16:20] <jp10558> oh, it's not an important machine at all
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[29-Mar-2007 11:36:19] <creiht> oubiwann: How's it going?
[29-Mar-2007 11:37:13] <creiht> oubiwann: Oh wow... it works now... so I guess I don't have a question for you
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[29-Mar-2007 12:05:02] <xerophyte> I have installed the zenoss using vmware image, what is the default password to login ?
[29-Mar-2007 12:07:17] <jp10558> zenoss
[29-Mar-2007 12:07:27] <jp10558> that is, un admin
[29-Mar-2007 12:07:29] <jp10558> pass zenoss
[29-Mar-2007 12:11:03] <jreese2> hrmf
[29-Mar-2007 12:11:21] <jreese2> ok, well i have my plugin written now... now i have to figure out how to get zenoss to try and query that oid
[29-Mar-2007 12:15:13] <jreese2> got it
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[29-Mar-2007 12:38:13] <jreese2> does zenoss cache datacollector plugins after it loads them? i'm trying to make modifications and restarting zenperfsnmp but it doesn't seem to change anything
[29-Mar-2007 12:52:06] <monrad_> anyone had problems removing data sources?
[29-Mar-2007 12:57:16] <chet> monrad: Yup.. known bug.
[29-Mar-2007 12:57:24] <chet> monrad: I can give you a temporary solution..
[29-Mar-2007 12:58:03] <monrad> yes
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[29-Mar-2007 12:58:07] <monrad> what
[29-Mar-2007 12:58:23] <chet> Open Products/ZenModel/RRDTemplate.py and comment out lines 222 and 223
[29-Mar-2007 12:58:30] <chet> Then zopectl restart
[29-Mar-2007 12:58:42] <monrad> i accidental collection temperature info for HP 380-DL g3 for all my servers
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[29-Mar-2007 12:59:03] <chet> jreese2: zenperfsnmp doesn't use datacollector plugins.
[29-Mar-2007 12:59:17] <chet> jreese2: zenmodeler and zendisc use them.
[29-Mar-2007 13:00:04] <jreese2> ah ok
[29-Mar-2007 13:01:38] <monrad> chet: thanks
[29-Mar-2007 13:01:55] <chet> monrad: The ticket is #1071 if you want to track it.
[29-Mar-2007 13:03:53] <jreese2> anyone know off the top of their head a really good site for a kickstart in python?
[29-Mar-2007 13:04:23] <chet> http://www.diveintopython.org/toc/index.html
[29-Mar-2007 13:04:23] <adytum-bot> Title: Dive Into Python (at www.diveintopython.org)
[29-Mar-2007 13:04:23] <jreese2> i can "get around" in it, but don't have much experience
[29-Mar-2007 13:04:32] <jreese2> thanks guys
[29-Mar-2007 13:09:22] <chet> jp10558: I'm running CentOS 4.4 and just installed python from source with --prefix=/opt/zenoss.
[29-Mar-2007 13:09:43] <chet> This way my CentOS still has its 2.3.5 for everything, but Zenoss runs using its own copy of 2.4.
[29-Mar-2007 13:11:09] <chet> The only other thing I had to change to make this work was adding PYTHON=$ZENHOME/bin/python to my zenoss user's .bash_profile and exporting it.
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[29-Mar-2007 13:19:16] <ghetek> Hey guys, i just saw zenoss core as project of the month at sourceforge. I'm having trouble understanding the use of zenoss. currently i use open-audit for a lot of my auditing and a little monitoring of networks i support (i work for an IT consulting firm) so, zenoss is a *nix webapp that takes in various types of info from clients and displays it right?
[29-Mar-2007 13:19:48] <ghetek> does it pick up system info from windows machines?
[29-Mar-2007 13:21:42] <creiht> ghetek: The main purpose of Zenoss is network monitoring
[29-Mar-2007 13:21:52] <creiht> So it makes sure systems and their services are up and running
[29-Mar-2007 13:21:57] <creiht> Alerts you if anything goes down
[29-Mar-2007 13:22:09] <ghetek> ah great
[29-Mar-2007 13:22:11] <creiht> It also does some inventory tracking on the side if you want it to
[29-Mar-2007 13:22:31] <ghetek> do i need root access, or can i put this puppy on my shared hosting?
[29-Mar-2007 13:22:55] <creiht> ghetek: For certain processes it needs sudo access
[29-Mar-2007 13:23:00] <chet> root access is required for ping, syslog and snmp trap monitoring.
[29-Mar-2007 13:23:39] <ghetek> mmm
[29-Mar-2007 13:24:15] <ghetek> well then it looks like im going to try and stuff another mini-itx into my quarter cabinet d:
[29-Mar-2007 13:24:40] <creiht> ghetek: If you just want to take it for a test drive, the easyiest way to try it out is to download the vmware player image
[29-Mar-2007 13:24:53] <ghetek> i think i will, thanks guys
[29-Mar-2007 13:26:36] <ghetek> last question, my clients are 90% windows. windows has ok functionality? does windows support all the features on the clientside?
[29-Mar-2007 13:28:58] <creiht> ghetek: For monitoring?
[29-Mar-2007 13:29:56] <ghetek> well for auditing (belarc advisor type stuff) and event monitoring (low disk space, high mem useage, system events...)
[29-Mar-2007 13:30:14] <creiht> Zenoss monitors Windows clients fine, though it is recommend to install SNMPInformant to get extra stats
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[29-Mar-2007 13:30:21] <ghetek> im just trying to get off of open-audit
[29-Mar-2007 13:30:38] <creiht> I haven't used open-audit before, so I'm not sure what it does
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[29-Mar-2007 13:31:17] <ghetek> its a network auditing web application that can monitor based on active directory access.
[29-Mar-2007 13:31:37] <ghetek> but it is VERY weak. it relies on .vbs scripting
[29-Mar-2007 13:32:17] <creiht> ghetek: What types of things are you wanting to audit?
[29-Mar-2007 13:34:17] <ghetek> i want to know everything that can be picked up about their hardware. i want it to check system status on a regular basis and tell me about possible system issues. Missing updates, low disk space, high mem useage...
[29-Mar-2007 13:34:29] <creiht> gotcha
[29-Mar-2007 13:34:40] <ghetek> does zenoss handle that?
[29-Mar-2007 13:34:40] <creiht> Well it will tell you what software is installed
[29-Mar-2007 13:34:54] <creiht> It doesn't go the extra step of telling you what might be out of date
[29-Mar-2007 13:35:36] <creiht> It also tells you when the software is installed
[29-Mar-2007 13:35:48] <ghetek> ok check this out. this is what i currently use. and if you dont mind looking at something you might get a better idea. http://audit.hamelinnovations.com
[29-Mar-2007 13:35:48] <adytum-bot> Title: Site Temporarily Unavailable (at audit.hamelinnovations.com)
[29-Mar-2007 13:36:02] <ghetek> hahaha neverming
[29-Mar-2007 13:36:03] <creiht> hehe
[29-Mar-2007 13:36:41] <ghetek> well thats troubling
[29-Mar-2007 13:37:01] <creiht> It will also tell you which servers have a particular piece of software installed
[29-Mar-2007 13:37:29] <ghetek> i do like that
[29-Mar-2007 13:37:35] <ghetek> yeah i will give it a shot
[29-Mar-2007 13:37:38] <ghetek> thanks again
[29-Mar-2007 13:37:43] <creiht> cool
[29-Mar-2007 13:37:48] <ghetek> creiht are you a dev?
[29-Mar-2007 13:37:58] <creiht> ghetek: Nope... just a happy user
[29-Mar-2007 13:38:14] <creiht> Most of the devs are very busy working on it right now
[29-Mar-2007 13:38:27] <creiht> So they are not on irc as much as they used to be
[29-Mar-2007 13:38:57] <ghetek> http://winventory.sourceforge.net/images/hardware.jpg
[29-Mar-2007 13:38:57] <ghetek> just curious as to what you think of this
[29-Mar-2007 13:38:57] <creiht> If you run into problems, ask here, and if you don't get a response, then ask on the mailing list
[29-Mar-2007 13:38:57] <ghetek> this is what i currently use (its an older version)
[29-Mar-2007 13:39:08] <creiht> They try to monitor the mailing list often
[29-Mar-2007 13:40:04] <creiht> ghetek: The base snmp stuff will give you information about CPU, Memory and disk
[29-Mar-2007 13:40:16] <ghetek> cool
[29-Mar-2007 13:40:23] <creiht> I don't think things like the video card, monitor, etc are exposed through snmp
[29-Mar-2007 13:40:31] <ghetek> yeah
[29-Mar-2007 13:40:44] <creiht> There is a WMI plugin that will pull more data, but I have not used it though, so I'm not sure what is available with it
[29-Mar-2007 13:40:44] <ghetek> im guessing that this software is a competitor
[29-Mar-2007 13:41:18] <creiht> The devs are very open to suggestions though
[29-Mar-2007 13:41:44] <creiht> So if you would like to see that type of stuff, send an email to the mailing list and/or open a ticket
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[29-Mar-2007 13:43:16] <ghetek> cool
[29-Mar-2007 13:47:04] <breadatfacebook> when I try to test my pager, I get 111, 'Connection refused'
[29-Mar-2007 13:47:13] <breadatfacebook> anyone seen that before?
[29-Mar-2007 13:47:31] <creiht> breadatfacebook: Is this for an alert inside Zenoss?
[29-Mar-2007 13:47:53] <breadatfacebook> its when you setup a new user and press the "test" button to send a test page
[29-Mar-2007 13:48:00] <breadatfacebook> the UI is fine
[29-Mar-2007 13:48:04] <breadatfacebook> but the "test" fails
[29-Mar-2007 13:48:35] <creiht> I think that it means that zope can't connect to your mail server
[29-Mar-2007 13:48:55] <breadatfacebook> ohh, got it. the "pager" does not use SMTP
[29-Mar-2007 13:49:13] <breadatfacebook> 111 = sunrpc
[29-Mar-2007 13:50:21] <creiht> breadatfacebook: You might also check:
[29-Mar-2007 13:50:36] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/FAQ#WhyistheerrorConnectionwasrefusedbyotherside:111:Connectionrefusedinmyzenperfsmporzenprocesslog
[29-Mar-2007 13:50:36] <adytum-bot> Title: FAQ - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[29-Mar-2007 13:50:55] <creiht> But I bet it is a mail server problem
[29-Mar-2007 13:54:16] <creiht> Off to a meeting... bbl
[29-Mar-2007 13:54:24] <breadatfacebook> thanks for the wiki link...checking.......
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[29-Mar-2007 14:53:51] <fincher> might as well break the silence...I'm looking into monitoring solutions; zenoss is a frontrunner, but what other solutions do you see yourself competing with?
[29-Mar-2007 14:53:55] <fincher> Nagios, clearly.
[29-Mar-2007 14:55:28] <breadatfacebook> hobbit is a competitor
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[29-Mar-2007 15:00:29] <breadatfacebook> so...whats the best way to "block" events from showing up?
[29-Mar-2007 15:00:48] <breadatfacebook> I've got a filesystem called /mnt/v14 that is 100% full on purpose. so I don't need an event for it.
[29-Mar-2007 15:01:18] <breadatfacebook> I tried EventClassMap-ing something, but can't get it to work
[29-Mar-2007 15:08:56] <creiht> fincher: OpenNMS
[29-Mar-2007 15:10:27] <creiht> breadatfacebook: Click on the /mnt/v14 filesystem in Zenoss to bring up the information
[29-Mar-2007 15:10:38] <creiht> Then click on the PerfConf tab
[29-Mar-2007 15:10:44] <creiht> Click the Local Copy button
[29-Mar-2007 15:10:52] <creiht> And delete the threshold
[29-Mar-2007 15:12:02] <breadatfacebook> cool...lets say I have 100 machines with /mnt/v14...is there a way to change them all at once?
[29-Mar-2007 15:12:28] <jreese2> hrmf
[29-Mar-2007 15:12:34] <jreese2> guess i have to make my own ZenModel
[29-Mar-2007 15:12:42] <creiht> breadatfacebook: I bet there is
[29-Mar-2007 15:12:51] <creiht> But I don't know off the top of my head
[29-Mar-2007 15:12:54] <creiht> hold on... looking
[29-Mar-2007 15:13:43] <creiht> hmm
[29-Mar-2007 15:13:47] <creiht> I dunno sorry breadatfacebook
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[29-Mar-2007 15:16:24] <breadatfacebook> cool, thanks for looking. I could always extend the FileSystem or "FreeSpace90Percent" logic I suppose
[29-Mar-2007 15:16:45] <breadatfacebook> be nice if I could exclude based on component.
[29-Mar-2007 15:17:02] <creiht> breadatfacebook: I would send an email first to the mailing list
[29-Mar-2007 15:17:10] <creiht> The devs have been very open to request
[29-Mar-2007 15:17:19] <breadatfacebook> OK, I'll try it, thanks
[29-Mar-2007 15:17:28] <creiht> There are also a lot of times where I have found out that things are possible, but I just wasn't looking in the right place
[29-Mar-2007 15:17:38] <creiht> I have found Zenoss to be very flexible
[29-Mar-2007 15:17:47] <breadatfacebook> I get that feeling too....you have to look in the right place
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[29-Mar-2007 15:29:28] <creiht> breadatfacebook: There have also been things that I have found out are there but haven't been exposed in the UI yet because nobody has asked for it yet
[29-Mar-2007 15:29:47] <breadatfacebook> like what?
[29-Mar-2007 15:30:01] <breadatfacebook> sounds cool.
[29-Mar-2007 15:30:28] <creiht> Well for a long time the "undo" like features were there but not exposed yet
[29-Mar-2007 15:31:25] <creiht> So a lot of times it's: "Ask, and ye shall receive!"
[29-Mar-2007 15:32:29] <jreese2> does anyone know of a good model i could map an iis web site to, or do you think i need to make my own? i want to track bandwidth use/etc
[29-Mar-2007 15:33:04] <creiht> jreese2: By default all devices track net usage
[29-Mar-2007 15:33:21] <jreese2> this is per-site in iis
[29-Mar-2007 15:33:36] <creiht> Oh for virtual domains?
[29-Mar-2007 15:33:39] <jreese2> yeah
[29-Mar-2007 15:33:43] <creiht> hmmm
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:12] <creiht> Right now zenoss looks at an interface level
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:27] <creiht> So any further will need to be implemented separately
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:33] <jreese2> yeah i know
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:36] <jreese2> i've got a plugin that i made
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:41] <creiht> ahhh
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:42] <creiht> cool
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:50] <jreese2> that seems to be going through each iis virt correctly, i just don't know where to store it
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:58] <creiht> oh gotcha
[29-Mar-2007 15:35:04] <jreese2> i'm getting an exception thrown when trying to put it into os/software
[29-Mar-2007 15:35:30] <creiht> I'm not sure where the best place for that would be
[29-Mar-2007 15:35:39] <creiht> But my guess is that you might need your own model
[29-Mar-2007 15:35:43] <jreese2> yeah :/
[29-Mar-2007 15:35:49] <jreese2> fun!
[29-Mar-2007 15:35:58] <jreese2> i'm pretty much completely new to python
[29-Mar-2007 15:36:14] <creiht> It's pretty easy to pick up
[29-Mar-2007 15:36:15] <jreese2> messed with it a little bit when using the Battlefield 2 / 2142 servers, but don't have anything to call experience
[29-Mar-2007 15:36:17] <jreese2> yeah
[29-Mar-2007 15:36:44] <creiht> jreese2: Are you playing with the new zenpack stuff, or are you hacking the old code?
[29-Mar-2007 15:36:59] <jreese2> lol, i think i'm hacking the old code
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:04] <jreese2> not sure though...
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:11] <creiht> The zenpack stuff is supposed to make it a lot easier
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:21] <creiht> If you were using the zenpacks you would know
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:25] <jreese2> working in ~/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:35] <creiht> yeah that is the old stuff
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:38] <jreese2> ahh
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:46] <jreese2> well dang, that seemed pretty simple
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:55] <jreese2> i just downloaded the vmware build of zenoss
[29-Mar-2007 15:38:16] <creiht> Yeah... they are still working on the zenpack stuff as far as I know
[29-Mar-2007 15:38:21] <jreese2> found it on /. and thought it'd work for something my employer is trying to do
[29-Mar-2007 15:38:29] <creiht> cool
[29-Mar-2007 15:39:23] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/WhatIsAZenPack
[29-Mar-2007 15:39:23] <adytum-bot> Title: WhatIsAZenPack - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[29-Mar-2007 15:39:23] <creiht> Is a taste of what is to come
[29-Mar-2007 15:39:24] <jreese2> zenpack is cool!
[29-Mar-2007 15:39:28] <creiht> I think the next release will have it
[29-Mar-2007 15:39:29] <creiht> hehe
[29-Mar-2007 15:39:50] <jreese2> so maybe i can pull a dev version
[29-Mar-2007 15:40:38] <creiht> jreese2: If you ar feeling brave, you can download trunk
[29-Mar-2007 15:41:21] <jreese2>
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[29-Mar-2007 16:33:59] <jreese> so, the datacollector just goes out and finds things to monitor, are there plugins that you can make that tell it *how* to monitor it? such as how to get the inbound/outbound traffic
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[29-Mar-2007 16:59:50] <densone> hey room
[29-Mar-2007 17:00:04] <densone> anyone have a sec to help with with a setup error?
[29-Mar-2007 17:00:33] <densone> $ ./build.sh
[29-Mar-2007 17:00:33] <densone> Password for the Zenoss "admin" user [zenoss]:
[29-Mar-2007 17:00:33] <densone> Enter the password again:
[29-Mar-2007 17:00:33] <densone> unable to find the "patch" program
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[29-Mar-2007 17:10:05] <creiht> densone: What os are you running?
[29-Mar-2007 17:11:53] <pozer> probably check for patch in your PATH
[29-Mar-2007 17:12:15] <creiht> densone: Or install patch if it isn't installed for some reason
[29-Mar-2007 17:13:12] <creiht> jreese: Yeah I think that stuff is in ZenRRD
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[29-Mar-2007 17:29:43] <breadatfacebook> I may have found a solution to my filesystem issues in a forum
[29-Mar-2007 17:30:06] <breadatfacebook> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1307
[29-Mar-2007 17:30:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - File Systems still alerting even with "Monitor = False (at community.zenoss.com)
[29-Mar-2007 17:33:52] <dens1> creiht:I installed patch and that was fine
[29-Mar-2007 17:34:39] <dens1> thanks so now its looking for mysql_confg
[29-Mar-2007 17:34:53] <dens1> the package I installed doesnt come with it
[29-Mar-2007 17:35:02] <dens1> anyone know what package it comes from
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[29-Mar-2007 17:39:55] <creiht> breadatfacebook: Cool... I knew it would be in there somewhere
[29-Mar-2007 17:40:33] <creiht> dens1: Sorry... not sure about that one
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[29-Mar-2007 18:56:07] <ricko73> hello
[29-Mar-2007 18:56:31] <ricko73> possible new user here. I'm evaluating zenoss and a few other options
[29-Mar-2007 19:02:24] <ricko73> Is it possible to use zenoss to fill out a form on a website and respond if the action completes OK?
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[29-Mar-2007 19:55:48] <breadatfacebook> anyone have the quick explanation of the difference between a "group" and a "system"
[29-Mar-2007 19:56:04] <breadatfacebook> both are methods of arranging hosts based on type or function, I think
[29-Mar-2007 19:56:16] <breadatfacebook> but I'm curious as to how people have actually used this
[29-Mar-2007 19:56:46] <breadatfacebook> for instance, I'm planning on creating "systems" for the different hardware functional tiers (ie database, web, etc)
[29-Mar-2007 19:59:30] <breadatfacebook> and then "groups" for hosts that have something in common other than the functional tier (such as all connected to the same netapp for example)
[29-Mar-2007 19:59:53] <breadatfacebook> what...everybody gone home? oh yeah, you guys are east coast...crap, should have run this from a screen, will next time.
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[30-Mar-2007 01:52:50] <reallove> hello,anybody around ?
[30-Mar-2007 02:13:23] <N[]VA> morning
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[30-Mar-2007 08:12:14] <N[]VA> Heya guys
[30-Mar-2007 08:12:25] <N[]VA> any way for us to create a rrdtemplate?
[30-Mar-2007 08:12:33] <N[]VA> basicly copy a current one and make additions to it
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[30-Mar-2007 08:20:32] <Bulwinkle> good morning all
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[30-Mar-2007 08:21:10] <jreese> hi
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[30-Mar-2007 08:22:07] <Bulwinkle> can anyone help with some installation problems I am having with Zenoss on a FC6 system?
[30-Mar-2007 08:37:07] <ricko73> I'm getting that this channel is not very active with people who know what's going on
[30-Mar-2007 08:37:28] <ricko73> since I joined it yeterday, no one has answered a question
[30-Mar-2007 08:37:40] <jp10558> true ricko73
[30-Mar-2007 08:37:50] <jp10558> I think I've run into 2 people who have some idea
[30-Mar-2007 08:38:00] <jp10558> chet and creiht
[30-Mar-2007 08:38:06] <ricko73> the project looks promising, but I wouldn't hold my breath about getting a question answered here. Perhaps the mailing list is better
[30-Mar-2007 08:38:14] <jp10558> If you can join it
[30-Mar-2007 08:38:20] <jp10558> I can get on the forums
[30-Mar-2007 08:38:28] <jp10558> but trying to join the list just gives me errors
[30-Mar-2007 08:38:41] <jp10558> and I've noticed their "bridge" doesn't work that well
[30-Mar-2007 08:39:20] <jp10558> I'm debating giving up on getting this to work with windows and just waiting till 1.2 for that
[30-Mar-2007 08:46:10] <Bulwinkle> All of the documentation says it works on Fedora Core 6 but.... no such luck
[30-Mar-2007 08:46:28] <jreese> you can use the forums online, the mailing list and the forums are linked
[30-Mar-2007 08:49:16] <Bulwinkle> The developers should realize that IRC is one of the best places to get an idea of the problems with their product.
[30-Mar-2007 08:50:28] <Tinuva> well so far im pretty much impressed with the system
[30-Mar-2007 08:50:48] <jreese> it's probably not, developers need to develop, not answer questions on irc
[30-Mar-2007 08:51:01] <jreese> mailing lists work better for that as they're not a "do it now" kind of communication
[30-Mar-2007 08:51:14] <jreese> zenoss is very impressive imo
[30-Mar-2007 08:51:27] <Bulwinkle> Tinuva: I got the VM image working (no big accomplishment) but, if I can't get the system to work from the RPMs... Not much hope for the product
[30-Mar-2007 08:51:59] <Tinuva> i havent installed it myself personally but it works on centos here which is rpm based as well
[30-Mar-2007 08:54:31] <Bulwinkle> We could very easily move from our Nagios/Cacti based Network management to Zenoss but I don't see it happening if I can't get it running on something other than a VMWare server
[30-Mar-2007 08:55:48] <Tinuva> thats understandable
[30-Mar-2007 08:55:58] <Tinuva> any reason why you are using fc?
[30-Mar-2007 08:59:19] <Bulwinkle> Tinuva: yeah, because they seem to favor Redhat flavors and on SuSE (my normal distro) I have to reinstall the python packages from tar
[30-Mar-2007 09:00:36] <Tinuva> ok
[30-Mar-2007 09:01:08] <b52laptop> any one know if zenoss is going to migrate from zope 2 to Zope3 ?
[30-Mar-2007 09:01:35] <jp10558> I got it to install from RPM on Scientific Linux 4 which is very similar to RHEL4/CentOS4
[30-Mar-2007 09:02:22] <jp10558> but the problem with v4 of these as I understand it is lots of the stuff for getting windows integration to work is too old - i.e. python 2.3, Samba 3
[30-Mar-2007 09:02:49] <jp10558> for linux and network devices, it's pretty much run the RPM dependencies, and then the RPM
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[30-Mar-2007 09:05:28] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: yeah, the network dependencies bz2 they provide.... the mysql-server wouldn't even start on my BRAND NEW fc6 install....
[30-Mar-2007 09:06:05] <jp10558> perhaps try CentOS4?
[30-Mar-2007 09:06:40] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: I have almost worked out the bugs with FC6...
[30-Mar-2007 09:06:43] <jp10558> I'm beginning to think about trying a debian based source install - they do have some instructions posted for that
[30-Mar-2007 09:06:59] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: once I do, I'll be sure to post a HOWTO in the users forum
[30-Mar-2007 09:07:23] <jp10558> I'd like to see a HOWTO on ZenWin - every time I think I have it working, it flips out again
[30-Mar-2007 09:07:51] <jp10558> but I think it might well be related to trying to have python 2.3 for the OS, and python 2.4 for zenoss user
[30-Mar-2007 09:07:54] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: my one line on ZenWin.... 1) Don't use Windows Servers
[30-Mar-2007 09:08:24] <jp10558> Well, the whole thing that got me started with Zenoss is a Win2k3 Autodesk Vault server with Web Services issues so . . .
[30-Mar-2007 09:09:21] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: if it weren't for windows server we woudn't need to monitor ANY of ours
[30-Mar-2007 09:09:33] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: I'm using Zenoss to monitor our network equiptment
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[30-Mar-2007 09:10:00] <jp10558> Well, we really want to try monitoring a large number of our desktops also - I sort of want to replace HP Top Tools - that's the second desire
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[30-Mar-2007 09:10:14] <jp10558> Cause TopTools isn't updated anymore
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[30-Mar-2007 09:12:20] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: we have LANDesk for that....
[30-Mar-2007 09:13:32] <Bulwinkle> I'm trying to get a pilot group of Linux desktop users at our company
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[30-Mar-2007 09:13:59] <kfhickel> I've got a problem where I can fetch an OID via snmpget but zenperfsnmp says it doesn't exist. Anyone that can help with that????
[30-Mar-2007 09:14:43] <jp10558> Yea, We have a slightly different setup, mainly, we have 45% Windows, 45% Linux 6% MacOSX , rest others
[30-Mar-2007 09:15:20] <jp10558> so we use things like OCSNG for a lot of what landesk does, but that doesn't give performance metrics like RAM use etc, which is where something like Zenoss looks real good
[30-Mar-2007 09:15:28] <jp10558> IF I could get it to work in testing lol
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[30-Mar-2007 09:16:26] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: you don't have it running yet?
[30-Mar-2007 09:17:37] <jp10558> oh, I had Zenoss running, but ZenWin would crap out randomly, and then I'd try one thing, it would work for a few hours, then I'd try something else, work for a few hours, then die
[30-Mar-2007 09:17:49] <jp10558> so I was trying a reinstall as suggested here with python 2.4
[30-Mar-2007 09:17:58] <jp10558> but now Zenoss won't start on my test machine
[30-Mar-2007 09:18:10] <jp10558> and RPM gives errors trying to remove it
[30-Mar-2007 09:18:22] <Bulwinkle> ZenWin = the Zenoss daemon that plugs in to Zenoss?
[30-Mar-2007 09:18:25] <jp10558> So I've punted to my Linux group and I'll wait to see what they think
[30-Mar-2007 09:18:39] <jp10558> ZenWin runs on XP or Server 2k3 and passes WMI data to Zenoss
[30-Mar-2007 09:18:42] <jp10558> when it works anyway
[30-Mar-2007 09:19:29] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: can't you just use the SNMP data for that?
[30-Mar-2007 09:19:45] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: for memory and CPU at least
[30-Mar-2007 09:19:53] <chet> Bulwinkle: WMI is used to monitor eventlogs and windows services.
[30-Mar-2007 09:20:12] <jp10558> Right, we need to monitor Windows Services too
[30-Mar-2007 09:20:22] <chet> Morning, jp.
[30-Mar-2007 09:20:30] <jp10558> morning
[30-Mar-2007 09:20:40] <jp10558> I killed my Zenoss server
[30-Mar-2007 09:21:06] <jp10558> I was trying the python upgrade, with removing those directories and running the install rpm again, and now it won't start
[30-Mar-2007 09:21:38] <chet> Which Linux distribution do you run?
[30-Mar-2007 09:21:44] <chet> How did you do the python upgrade?
[30-Mar-2007 09:21:50] <jp10558> Scientific Linux 4
[30-Mar-2007 09:22:08] <jp10558> I was using an RPM our linux group had for it
[30-Mar-2007 09:22:11] <jp10558> to 2.4.1
[30-Mar-2007 09:22:24] <jp10558> and we did the simlink for zenoss user
[30-Mar-2007 09:22:28] <chet> Cool, so you can blame them.
[30-Mar-2007 09:22:30] <jp10558> then I deleted the /bin etc
[30-Mar-2007 09:22:45] <jp10558> and tried to re run zenoss rpm, but it claimed it was already installed
[30-Mar-2007 09:22:50] <jp10558> rpm -e failed
[30-Mar-2007 09:23:02] <jp10558> they suggested I do rpm -Uvh --force
[30-Mar-2007 09:23:13] <jp10558> and that ran the install, but now the web interface doesn't start
[30-Mar-2007 09:23:36] <b52laptop> any one know if zenoss is going to migrate from zope 2 to Zope3 ?
[30-Mar-2007 09:23:41] <chet> Hmm.. what a mess.
[30-Mar-2007 09:23:45] <jp10558> I'm beginning to think a newer distro might be the best idea, but not sure which would be the best one
[30-Mar-2007 09:24:40] <chet> SL4 is fine..
[30-Mar-2007 09:25:31] <chet> Do you have any precious data in zenoss yet, or could you afford to lose it?
[30-Mar-2007 09:25:51] <jp10558> I could afford to lose it
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[30-Mar-2007 09:25:56] <jp10558> nothing but testing so far
[30-Mar-2007 09:26:35] <chet> After much banging around myself, I think the best way to setup zenoss is from source using it's own copy of python.
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[30-Mar-2007 09:28:52] <chet> Trying to upgrade python on RHEL/CentOS/SL causes too many other problems.
[30-Mar-2007 09:31:07] <jp10558> ok, that sounds ok to me - is there a HOWTO on this?
[30-Mar-2007 09:31:17] <jp10558> I see posted some stuff about source install
[30-Mar-2007 09:31:41] <jp10558> oh, and any suggestions about cleaning the broken machine, or do I need to do a reinstall of the OS
[30-Mar-2007 09:31:45] <chet> The source install guide is good, but it makes some assumptions that don't apply to you.
[30-Mar-2007 09:32:19] <chet> If you can afford it, reinstall the OS. A non-stock python on RHEL derivatives is a ticking time bomb.
[30-Mar-2007 09:32:36] <jp10558> ok
[30-Mar-2007 09:32:52] <chet> I'll put together a howto for the reinstall while you work on that. It'll save me a lot of typing in the future. =}
[30-Mar-2007 09:38:07] <jp10558> Oh, another question, regarding SAMBA 4, as SL4 comes with SAMBA3, how do you handle that?
[30-Mar-2007 09:39:39] <chet> Not a problem.. winexe works just fine with samba 3 on my CentOS.
[30-Mar-2007 09:43:17] <jreese> i'm installing zenoss from svn right now, so far so good
[30-Mar-2007 09:43:39] <jreese> chet: i found a chat session of yours online saying that relations can't be made manually right now, is that still the case?
[30-Mar-2007 09:44:40] <jp10558> So the install from source just put in Winexe?
[30-Mar-2007 09:44:45] <chet> jreese: You mean like parent/child relationships for event supression?
[30-Mar-2007 09:44:54] <chet> jp10558: yup
[30-Mar-2007 09:45:41] <jp10558> ok
[30-Mar-2007 09:45:42] <jreese> chet: i created my own ZenModel of "IISSite" and tried to create a relation to the OperatingSystem model, but it's not seeing it (added it to the _relations array in OperatingSystem.py)
[30-Mar-2007 09:47:13] <chet> What do you mean it's not seeing it?
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[30-Mar-2007 09:48:52] <densone> hey gius
[30-Mar-2007 09:49:01] <densone> guys*
[30-Mar-2007 09:49:13] <densone> zenoss install question
[30-Mar-2007 09:50:21] <kfhickel> I've got a problem where I can fetch an OID via snmpget but zenperfsnmp says it doesn't exist. Anyone here that can help with that????
[30-Mar-2007 09:50:49] <chet> Hi densone.
[30-Mar-2007 09:50:59] <chet> kfhickel: Where did you define it?
[30-Mar-2007 09:51:08] <chet> Which performance template?
[30-Mar-2007 09:52:04] <kfhickel> the device is a cisco PIX firewall, I put it in the Network/Router class and added a perf counter for the OID (to the device not an interface).
[30-Mar-2007 09:52:20] <kfhickel> If I run zenperfsnmp by hand for the device it spits out the OID and says it isn't valid
[30-Mar-2007 09:52:34] <kfhickel> If I run snmpget to the same device with the same OID, it gets a result
[30-Mar-2007 09:52:46] <chet> Is the value a gauge/counter?
[30-Mar-2007 09:52:49] <jreese> chet: let me start up the VM and get the warning, sec
[30-Mar-2007 09:52:58] <kfhickel> [zenoss@starbug2 ~]$ snmpget -L o -c public -v 1 mnpix .1.3.6.1.4.1.9.9.147.1.2.2.2.1.5.40.6
[30-Mar-2007 09:52:58] <kfhickel> SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.9.147.1.2.2.2.1.5.0.6 = Gauge32: 615
[30-Mar-2007 09:53:23] <kfhickel> WARNING:zen.zenperfsnmp:Error reading value for "connections" on mnpix (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9.9.147.1.2.2.2.1.5.40.6 is bad)
[30-Mar-2007 09:53:46] <kfhickel> the first two lines are the snmpget command and the result, the third line is output from zenperfsnmp run -dmnpix
[30-Mar-2007 09:54:06] <chet> Is the result OID really SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.9.147.1.2.2.2.1.5.0.6 ?
[30-Mar-2007 09:56:04] <kfhickel> hmm, not sure how to answer that. does this tell you? (same snmpget command, but output numerically):
[30-Mar-2007 09:56:05] <kfhickel> snmpget -L o -O n -c public -v 1 mnpix .1.3.6.1.4.1.9.9.147.1.2.2.2.1.5.40.6
[30-Mar-2007 09:56:05] <kfhickel> .1.3.6.1.4.1.9.9.147.1.2.2.2.1.5.0.6 = Gauge32: 593
[30-Mar-2007 09:56:20] <chet> Bizarre..
[30-Mar-2007 09:56:29] <kfhickel> yeah, that's what I thought! ;>
[30-Mar-2007 09:56:38] <chet> snmpget is never supposed to return a different OID than you requested, but it is.
[30-Mar-2007 09:57:04] <chet> You asked for ...40.6 and it gave ...0.6
[30-Mar-2007 09:57:07] <kfhickel> you're right, I didn't catch that.
[30-Mar-2007 09:57:19] <kfhickel> cisco is just too damn weird.
[30-Mar-2007 09:57:25] <chet> Mainly PIXs..
[30-Mar-2007 09:57:31] <chet> Can you upgrade your code?
[30-Mar-2007 09:57:37] <kfhickel> I'll stick in the one it gave me and try zenperfsnmp again.... stand by....
[30-Mar-2007 09:58:09] <jreese> chet: zenmodeler.log:2007-03-30 09:49:01 WARNING zen.ApplyDataMap: no relationship:iissites found on:os
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[30-Mar-2007 10:00:59] <chet> jreese: try "zenchkrels run --commit"
[30-Mar-2007 10:02:09] <jreese> eep, CheckRelations.py: error: no such option: --commit
[30-Mar-2007 10:02:46] <chet> ah, you're running trunk? run it without commit
[30-Mar-2007 10:02:52] <kfhickel> chet: stranger and stranger. the OID that snmpget stip out doesn't work with either zenperfsnmp OR snmpget!
[30-Mar-2007 10:02:54] <jreese> this one isn't trunk
[30-Mar-2007 10:02:57] <jreese> this is the vm release
[30-Mar-2007 10:03:06] <chet> kfhickel: heh.. good stuff.
[30-Mar-2007 10:03:40] <chet> kfhickel: Really sounds like an IOS bug to me.
[30-Mar-2007 10:03:46] <jreese> running now
[30-Mar-2007 10:03:56] <kfhickel> yeah. every time I start looking at this PIX it gives me a headache! (although the bug could be in snmpget, hard to know)
[30-Mar-2007 10:04:15] <jreese> chet: where did you learn everything about zenoss? just being exposed to it?
[30-Mar-2007 10:04:29] <chet> jreese: Yes.. just an inquisitive mind.
[30-Mar-2007 10:04:37] <jreese> hehe
[30-Mar-2007 10:05:02] <kfhickel> chet: well, I guess I'll crawl back under my rock. I was trying to get some decent info out of the pix, as the CPU perf item doesn't work....
[30-Mar-2007 10:08:10] <chet> kfhickel: I believe ethereal (wireshark) can disect snmp packets.. you could check to see where the error is.
[30-Mar-2007 10:08:48] <chet> kfhickel: Alternatively.. have you tested to see if v2c works?
[30-Mar-2007 10:09:38] <DBCooper_> Not directly Zenoss related, but I'm having trouble understanding how to install SNMP-Informant on a Win 2003 server. We only have a couple of these beasts around, and I would like to monitor a couple services on them. Everyone seems to suggest the Informant product, but it's not clear to me how I can engage it.
[30-Mar-2007 10:10:23] <chet> DBCooper_: Informant isn't needed to monitor services. You need to setup zenwin for that.
[30-Mar-2007 10:10:33] <jreese> chet: same error
[30-Mar-2007 10:10:51] <chet> DBCooper_: Informant is needed to monitor CPU/RAM/Network interface utilization and disk usage/performance.
[30-Mar-2007 10:11:10] <DBCooper_> I did install zenwin, but the service won't start.
[30-Mar-2007 10:11:33] <chet> Their is a log directory that might help you determine why that is.
[30-Mar-2007 10:11:34] <DBCooper_> It sounds like Informant would be handy though.
[30-Mar-2007 10:11:59] <chet> Yeah.. you should still install it. It's quite simple. You simply install the software, then configure your SNMP service.
[30-Mar-2007 10:12:12] <jreese> hrmf
[30-Mar-2007 10:12:26] <DBCooper_> I've got SNMP running on the box--the standard Windows service.
[30-Mar-2007 10:12:42] <DBCooper_> Is it supposed to see the Informant software automatically?
[30-Mar-2007 10:12:52] <chet> DBCooper_: Informant hooks into the standard windows service.
[30-Mar-2007 10:12:55] <chet> yes
[30-Mar-2007 10:13:03] <DBCooper_> Ah
[30-Mar-2007 10:13:10] <chet> I believe you need to restart the service after installing informant.
[30-Mar-2007 10:13:15] <DBCooper_> OK
[30-Mar-2007 10:13:43] <DBCooper_> I have Zenoss Eventlog, Modeling, and Status Monitoring installed on that windows box.
[30-Mar-2007 10:13:54] <DBCooper_> Do I need more for windows service monitoring?
[30-Mar-2007 10:14:03] <chet> Nope, that's everything.
[30-Mar-2007 10:14:21] <chet> modeling builds the list of services, status monitoring monitors their status.
[30-Mar-2007 10:14:29] <chet> I bet you can guess what eventlog does. =}
[30-Mar-2007 10:14:44] <DBCooper_> yep
[30-Mar-2007 10:14:56] <kfhickel> chet: the pix doesn't seem to respond to snmpget with -v 2c ....
[30-Mar-2007 10:15:23] <DBCooper_> The error I get when I try to start the services is authentication related.
[30-Mar-2007 10:15:46] <DBCooper_> Error 1069: The service did not start due to a logon failure.
[30-Mar-2007 10:16:01] <DBCooper_> I've got the zope username and password in the config file.
[30-Mar-2007 10:16:02] <chet> DBCooper_: Create a "zenwin" user in Zenoss with some password.
[30-Mar-2007 10:16:12] <DBCooper_> Ah, that's what I was missing.
[30-Mar-2007 10:16:15] <chet> Update the zenwin/etc files with that username/password information.
[30-Mar-2007 10:16:29] <chet> I think it needs to have the Manager role.
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:05] <DBCooper_> thanks
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:12] <DBCooper_> I'll give it a try.
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:32] <densone> anyone have any insight on this error:
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:33] <densone> $ ./install.sh
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:33] <densone> This installer actually builds Zenoss.
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:33] <densone> For a simpler installation try the VMPlayer Appliance image,
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:33] <densone> or use RPMs for Redhat based systems.
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:33] <densone> Building...
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:35] <densone> Password for the Zenoss "admin" user [zenoss]:
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:37] <densone> Enter the password again:
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:39] <densone> build-functions.sh: line 212: mysql_config: command not found
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:41] <densone> You must have a MySQL development environment installed
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:43] <densone> $
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:45] <densone> I have mysql5
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:47] <densone> just no mysql_config
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[30-Mar-2007 10:17:54] <chet> densone: install mysql-devel
[30-Mar-2007 10:18:12] <jreese> chet: no other ideas?
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[30-Mar-2007 10:20:08] <chet> jreese: Umm.. thinking about it.
[30-Mar-2007 10:21:43] <densone> hhhm
[30-Mar-2007 10:21:55] <densone> anyone know where I can get mysql-devel for ubuntu
[30-Mar-2007 10:22:00] <densone> or where the source is to it
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:05] <jreese> does ubuntu use yum?
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:18] <Tinuva> what!?
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:23] <Tinuva> i doubt that jreese
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:30] <jreese> lol, that's why i asked
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:33] <jreese> i've never used ubuntu
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:39] <Tinuva> apt-cache search mysql
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:48] <Tinuva> then probably something like apt-get install mysql-dev
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:50] <jreese> ah, uses apt
[30-Mar-2007 10:24:00] <jreese> learn something new every day!
[30-Mar-2007 10:24:15] <densone> i looked through aptitude
[30-Mar-2007 10:24:19] <densone> didnt find it
[30-Mar-2007 10:25:15] <Tinuva> also try apt-cache search mysql | grep "dev"
[30-Mar-2007 10:25:36] <Tinuva> i found "libmysql++-dev - mysql C++ library bindings (development)"
[30-Mar-2007 10:25:50] <chet> densone: aptitude install libmysqlclient15-dev
[30-Mar-2007 10:25:51] <Tinuva> do some searching on google too
[30-Mar-2007 10:26:06] <densone> chet: just found it thanks
[30-Mar-2007 10:27:08] <densone> mysql_config is now there
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[30-Mar-2007 10:46:48] <dens1> hey guys
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[30-Mar-2007 10:47:02] <dens1> anyone seen this err; installing pycrypto
[30-Mar-2007 10:47:02] <dens1> make: *** [pycrypto-install] Error 1
[30-Mar-2007 10:47:02] <dens1> unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log
[30-Mar-2007 10:50:30] <dens1> b
[30-Mar-2007 10:50:44] <dens1> b
[30-Mar-2007 10:50:54] <dens1> b
[30-Mar-2007 10:51:56] <dens1> src/MD2.c:15:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory
[30-Mar-2007 10:53:33] <chet> aptitude install python-dev
[30-Mar-2007 10:53:36] <jp10558> chet: now that I'm reinstalling Zenoss, do I need to reinstall zenwin on my 2k3 server? Or should it just start working when I restart the services with the new install? (Assume I fix the config files if needed)
[30-Mar-2007 10:53:51] <chet> jp10558: No need to reinstall zenwin if you're already running 1.1.1
[30-Mar-2007 10:54:13] <jp10558> chet: ok - thanks
[30-Mar-2007 10:54:42] <chet> jp10558: I just emailed you that howto.
[30-Mar-2007 10:56:12] <jp10558> thanks
[30-Mar-2007 10:56:31] <chet> Hopefully I remembered everything.
[30-Mar-2007 10:57:04] <dens1> chet: thanks
[30-Mar-2007 10:57:17] <dens1> my ubuntu installs are very barebone
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[30-Mar-2007 11:01:10] <Bulwinkle> EXCELLENT!!!! I got zenoss-1.1.1 working on my FC6 box....
[30-Mar-2007 11:01:20] <Bulwinkle> Now to write the HOWTO
[30-Mar-2007 11:04:45] <jreese> hrmf
[30-Mar-2007 11:08:13] <chet> jreese: Did you create the manage_addIssSite function in your IssSite model?
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[30-Mar-2007 11:24:37] <Bulwinkle> Anyone want to try out my howto and see if it works for them?
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[30-Mar-2007 11:43:10] <jp10558> Bulwinkle: I'd post it in the user forums...
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[30-Mar-2007 11:48:38] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: its there
[30-Mar-2007 12:14:14] <jreese> chet: i just got back from lunch, let me check if i did that
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[30-Mar-2007 12:15:37] <jreese> sure didn't
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[30-Mar-2007 12:23:04] <b52lap> any one know if zenoss is going to migrate from zope 2 to Zope3 ?
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[30-Mar-2007 12:24:26] <chet> b52lap: Nope
[30-Mar-2007 12:24:40] <jreese> chet: still no go
[30-Mar-2007 12:24:48] <chet> jreese: I'm playing with a custom model over here now..
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[30-Mar-2007 12:24:56] <b52lap> argh no migration to Z3
[30-Mar-2007 12:24:56] <jreese> cool
[30-Mar-2007 12:24:58] <chet> jreese: Try this in zendmd..
[30-Mar-2007 12:25:18] <chet> b52lap: By "Nope" I meant that I don't know.
[30-Mar-2007 12:25:34] <b52lap> chet, ah ok :d
[30-Mar-2007 12:25:39] <chet> jreese: find("device.in.question").os.buildRelations()
[30-Mar-2007 12:25:41] <chet> jreese: commit()
[30-Mar-2007 12:25:55] <jreese> done
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:02] <jreese> no output from either
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:05] <chet> That did the trick for me.
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:06] <jreese> (just fyi)
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:12] <chet> yeah.. no output is normal
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:14] <jreese> ok, so re-run zenmodeler on it
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:17] <chet> yup
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:38] <jreese> !!!!!
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:41] <jreese> badass
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:48] * jreese checks the ui
[30-Mar-2007 12:27:11] <chet> To auto-build your relations you'll need to create a migration script. You can take hints from ZenModel/migrate/usercommands.py
[30-Mar-2007 12:27:14] <jreese> darn, no where to be found there, hehe
[30-Mar-2007 12:27:18] <jreese> ok
[30-Mar-2007 12:27:20] <jreese> thanks a lot
[30-Mar-2007 12:27:32] <jreese> now to figure out how to get it in the gui
[30-Mar-2007 12:28:31] <jreese> and assign an rrdtemplate to em by default (i made my own)
[30-Mar-2007 12:29:09] <chet> I hope you're documenting what you do. There are definitely other people who would be interested in it.
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[30-Mar-2007 12:30:09] <chet> Take a look at Products/ZenModel/skins/zenmodel/deviceOsDetail.pt for the UI stuff. You can take hints from the "fileSysList" section.
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[30-Mar-2007 12:31:09] <jreese> oh i am
[30-Mar-2007 12:33:21] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Genshi Templates in Nevow - 26 Mar, 02:04AM
[30-Mar-2007 12:33:21] <jreese> is Wing IDE a good python ide to use?
[30-Mar-2007 12:33:22] -adytum-bot- http://www.advogato.org/person/oubiwann/diary.html?start=137
[30-Mar-2007 12:33:50] <oubiwann> jreese: I haven't used it personally, but I know several that do and they like it.
[30-Mar-2007 12:33:54] <Southron> Is there a place on the Zenoss site where I can find hardware recommendations based on number of nodes and type of monitoring, etc?
[30-Mar-2007 12:34:22] <oubiwann> one guy bought several licensed copies at PyCon after trying Wing with the vim key bindings
[30-Mar-2007 12:34:46] <jreese> kewl
[30-Mar-2007 12:34:48] <oubiwann> Southron: I don't think so... that's probably a good question for the users mail list/forum
[30-Mar-2007 12:35:43] <jreese> question unrelated to what i'm doing... can you set up zenoss to have multiple servers that do the querying?
[30-Mar-2007 12:35:58] <Southron> OK, I'll search the forums. Thanks.
[30-Mar-2007 12:36:09] <jreese> and have it accessable in a central db
[30-Mar-2007 12:37:52] <oubiwann> jreese: there's been some work done in that area lately, and some more planned
[30-Mar-2007 12:38:14] <oubiwann> I've been away from development for a few months, so best to check with the list
[30-Mar-2007 12:39:51] <jreese> cool deal, was just wondering
[30-Mar-2007 12:40:20] <jreese> i used to work at a large ISP (the planet), could make zenoss a pretty nice "offering" for better monitoring
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[30-Mar-2007 12:47:01] <Bulwinkle> jreese: I have a ticket open at the planet now
[30-Mar-2007 12:47:25] <jreese> hehe
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[30-Mar-2007 12:47:41] <jreese> i was a developer there...started in tech support about 3 years ago
[30-Mar-2007 12:48:09] <Bulwinkle> ah, the dark side.... (development) I went the other way
[30-Mar-2007 12:48:20] <jreese> hehe
[30-Mar-2007 12:48:21] <jreese> sales?
[30-Mar-2007 12:50:21] <Bulwinkle> no, network engineer
[30-Mar-2007 12:50:25] <jreese> ah
[30-Mar-2007 12:50:53] <jreese> i got to play around there for a while, sorta fell into development
[30-Mar-2007 12:50:59] <Bulwinkle> Layers 234 vs layer 7.... I like it down here...
[30-Mar-2007 12:51:03] <jreese> apparently i was too good at automating things, hehe
[30-Mar-2007 12:51:37] <Bulwinkle> jreese: that can be dangerous
[30-Mar-2007 12:51:45] <jreese> yeah :/
[30-Mar-2007 12:52:00] <creiht> jreese: Where do you work now?
[30-Mar-2007 12:52:55] <jreese> IMC2, an "interactive marketing agency"
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[30-Mar-2007 13:02:25] <b52lap> jreese, interesting , hm !
[30-Mar-2007 13:02:55] <b52lap> oubiwann, forgive my stupid question , is zenoss going to make a migration to Zope3 in the near future?
[30-Mar-2007 13:12:41] <chet> jreese: I've run a setup with multiple monitors reporting to the central zodb/mysql/zope server. It works just fine.
[30-Mar-2007 13:14:09] <jreese> sweet
[30-Mar-2007 13:15:33] <chet> I sent a howto on it to the mailing list, but it looks like it never made it into the wiki.
[30-Mar-2007 13:16:56] <chet> It's archived here: http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2007/003392.html
[30-Mar-2007 13:29:32] <jreese> chet: know off the top of your head which service to restart to recompile the deviceOsDetail.pt file?
[30-Mar-2007 13:30:58] <chet> zopectl restart
[30-Mar-2007 13:31:02] <jreese> k
[30-Mar-2007 13:31:36] <DBCooper_> Still trying to get my zenwin services to start on a Win 2003 server. System log says "This service account does not have the necessary user right 'Log on as a server.'" It's referring to the Administrator account apparently. Should I create a zenwin user on the server and run these services as that user? (I'm a Linux guy. My win 2003 skills are sketchy.)
[30-Mar-2007 13:32:22] <chet> I run my services as a Zenoss account I created on the domain. It has domain admin privileges.
[30-Mar-2007 13:33:14] <DBCooper_> I'll create a local account then. We don't use AD or a full domain here.
[30-Mar-2007 13:42:28] <DBCooper_> I'm getting closer.
[30-Mar-2007 13:42:40] <DBCooper_> The service still doesn't start, but at least it's trying to.
[30-Mar-2007 13:43:07] <DBCooper_> Now the log says "The Zenoss Status Monitoring service terminated with service-specific error 1 (0x1).
[30-Mar-2007 13:43:41] <DBCooper_> Not sure where to go from here.
[30-Mar-2007 13:45:26] <DBCooper_> Hmmm... the system log has "N/A" as the user that tried to start the server. Shouldn't that say "zenoss" if that's the name of the user I created?
[30-Mar-2007 13:47:53] <jreese> when you specify the user to run the service as it should grant privs to that user to run as a service
[30-Mar-2007 13:48:12] <jreese> should note that when you put in the user/password in the service properties, it won't tell you if the password is wrong
[30-Mar-2007 13:48:16] <jreese> it just won't start
[30-Mar-2007 13:50:52] <jreese> hoot, making progress
[30-Mar-2007 13:50:58] <DBCooper_> I did get the message that the user has rights to run as a service.
[30-Mar-2007 13:51:00] <jreese> i've got the IIS sites to show up on the OS tab now
[30-Mar-2007 13:51:09] <jreese> need to make them links to pages to view graphs
[30-Mar-2007 13:51:59] <DBCooper_> I just noticed in the Application log that there is a python error. "No module named zenwinmodelersvc."
[30-Mar-2007 13:58:37] <oubiwann> b52lap: hey man, not a stupid question ;-)
[30-Mar-2007 13:58:57] <oubiwann> b52lap: I've been pushing for that since last May ;-)
[30-Mar-2007 13:59:42] <oubiwann> b52lap: but a zope3 migration is very, very involved and product stability has the focus right now
[30-Mar-2007 14:00:42] <oubiwann> b52lap: there have been recent discussions and we even talked with a potential intern at PyCon who has lots of zope3 experient
[30-Mar-2007 14:00:50] <oubiwann> *experience
[30-Mar-2007 14:02:02] <oubiwann> b52lap: my dream project would be to work on that ;-)
[30-Mar-2007 14:02:36] <creiht> keeps hoping zenoss will move away from zope
[30-Mar-2007 14:02:44] <creiht> But it's friday
[30-Mar-2007 14:03:20] <creiht> So no religious battles today
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[30-Mar-2007 14:14:54] <b52lap> oubiwann, ah ok
[30-Mar-2007 14:15:27] <oubiwann> creiht: heh
[30-Mar-2007 14:15:46] <oubiwann> creiht: but have you used zope3? the only thing that's still the same is the name ;-)
[30-Mar-2007 14:15:52] <creiht> hehe
[30-Mar-2007 14:15:55] <creiht> Yeah I know
[30-Mar-2007 14:16:05] <creiht> I have to admit that I haven't tried it enough
[30-Mar-2007 14:16:16] <creiht> Though I did got through the 70 page into
[30-Mar-2007 14:16:20] <creiht> A while back
[30-Mar-2007 14:16:24] <oubiwann> zope3 is one of the most beautiful, self-consistent works of code/art I have ever seen
[30-Mar-2007 14:16:51] <creiht> I understand it's getting better
[30-Mar-2007 14:16:55] <oubiwann> it took a tremendous amount of inspiration from Twisted, but without the legacy code that Twisted has to support
[30-Mar-2007 14:16:56] <b52lap> creiht, you see the difference just before you start using it ,at the install , the zope3 compil is light quick !! , the zope2 compil doesn't end :d
[30-Mar-2007 14:17:20] <creiht> heh
[30-Mar-2007 14:17:37] <creiht> Different tools for different people
[30-Mar-2007 14:17:40] <b52lap> creiht, </bad_joke>
[30-Mar-2007 14:17:41] <creiht> Is what I always say
[30-Mar-2007 14:18:23] <creiht> Actually it isn't so much zope that I think is hampering zenoss so much at the moment but zodb
[30-Mar-2007 14:18:36] <creiht> And Z3 should make it easier to use other tools
[30-Mar-2007 14:18:38] <oubiwann> yeah, the zodb can be a little sticky
[30-Mar-2007 14:18:41] <creiht> So I'm all for that
[30-Mar-2007 14:19:45] <creiht> Of couse you would then loose some of the cool things that zodb gives you
[30-Mar-2007 14:19:57] <creiht> So it isn't an easy choice
[30-Mar-2007 14:20:08] <creiht> I just see the scaling/performance issues
[30-Mar-2007 14:24:13] <creiht> oubiwann: Ok so this is why I have a hard time with zope 3 I'm new with zope 3, and I want to try it out, so I think... "Hey I will download the zope tutorial doc and try it out"
[30-Mar-2007 14:24:19] <creiht> But that doc is 96 pages
[30-Mar-2007 14:24:34] <oubiwann> heh
[30-Mar-2007 14:24:40] <creiht> That's a lot to go through to just learn the basics of a system
[30-Mar-2007 14:24:47] <oubiwann> yeah, if you want to do something like that, then you actually want Grok
[30-Mar-2007 14:24:53] <oubiwann> grok.zope.org
[30-Mar-2007 14:25:07] <oubiwann> Zope 3 is really for building large/complex systems
[30-Mar-2007 14:25:08] * b52lap will continue to learn z3 tech , and will just focus and the user side of zenoss ,and will wait for the Zope3Zenoss
[30-Mar-2007 14:25:21] <oubiwann> ones were you can take advantage of the component architecture
[30-Mar-2007 14:29:48] <creiht> oubiwann: Yeah I have seen grok before... but it was still a bit akward
[30-Mar-2007 14:30:12] <oubiwann> heh
[30-Mar-2007 14:30:33] <oubiwann> to me it seems so natural, due to its similarities with Twisted/Nevow
[30-Mar-2007 14:30:37] <creiht> hehe
[30-Mar-2007 14:30:43] <oubiwann> but then I hear people complain about Nevow, too ;-)
[30-Mar-2007 14:30:48] <creiht> In the end it comes down to personal preference
[30-Mar-2007 14:30:55] <oubiwann> yup
[30-Mar-2007 14:31:02] <creiht> I'm in the camp that likes lighter weight solutions
[30-Mar-2007 14:31:14] <creiht> And that is my preference
[30-Mar-2007 14:31:25] <oubiwann> actually, that's all I do personally -- and I use Nevow for that
[30-Mar-2007 14:31:27] <creiht> It's not that that way is better or right
[30-Mar-2007 14:31:50] <oubiwann> I really need a system that offers me interfaces and adaptation
[30-Mar-2007 14:32:00] <creiht> Yeah... I saw your blog post in object publishing in Nevow
[30-Mar-2007 14:32:03] <creiht> That was pretty cool
[30-Mar-2007 14:32:34] <creiht> I personally like pylons myself
[30-Mar-2007 14:32:52] <creiht> But most of that is becuase that fits my way of thinking and development better
[30-Mar-2007 14:32:56] <oubiwann> this way, I can engineer solutions that allow me to keep stuff like data and presentation and logic separate, while using adaptation to bring them together when needed
[30-Mar-2007 14:33:03] <oubiwann> creiht: yup
[30-Mar-2007 14:33:05] <oubiwann> totally
[30-Mar-2007 14:33:19] <creiht> oubiwann: And you are more twisted, so that is why you like neveow
[30-Mar-2007 14:33:24] <oubiwann> heh
[30-Mar-2007 14:33:28] <oubiwann> I am very, very twisted
[30-Mar-2007 14:33:32] <creiht> pun inteneded
[30-Mar-2007 14:33:36] <oubiwann> :-D
[30-Mar-2007 14:35:23] <creiht> So I like to stay out of the religions battles
[30-Mar-2007 14:35:32] <creiht> Since you are not likely to change one's preferences
[30-Mar-2007 14:35:52] <creiht> Though one can always hope that their favorite projects would come around to their own preferences
[30-Mar-2007 14:37:34] <oubiwann> certain things would be difficult in other projects were Zenoss to be ported to them
[30-Mar-2007 14:37:53] <oubiwann> and Erik is not averse to trying another solution -- we've had that talk several times
[30-Mar-2007 14:38:00] <creiht> hehe
[30-Mar-2007 14:38:02] <creiht> Yeah I know
[30-Mar-2007 14:38:09] <oubiwann> but Zenoss makes excellent use of Zope's acquisition
[30-Mar-2007 14:38:15] <oubiwann> acquisition is usually a PITA
[30-Mar-2007 14:39:18] <oubiwann> but Zenoss is a perfect use-case for it: a limited, predictable usage that makes extensive use of object inheritance via URLs
[30-Mar-2007 14:39:18] <creiht> oubiwann: Right... That is one of the big thing in Zope that is a major advantage for Zenoss
[30-Mar-2007 14:39:53] <creiht> It makes the device heirarchy very simple
[30-Mar-2007 14:39:58] <oubiwann> exactly
[30-Mar-2007 14:39:59] <creiht> well relatively simple
[30-Mar-2007 14:40:00] <creiht>
[30-Mar-2007 14:40:22] <oubiwann> yeah, doing the same things in an RDBMS is actually insanely painful and not nearly as efficient
[30-Mar-2007 14:40:30] <creiht> right
[30-Mar-2007 14:40:37] <creiht> But then you pay a price for that
[30-Mar-2007 14:40:41] <oubiwann> it is an object-specific problem domain, not a relational one
[30-Mar-2007 14:40:50] <creiht> Hence the scalability and performance of zodb
[30-Mar-2007 14:41:01] <oubiwann> so to port that to a non-zope app server would be very involved
[30-Mar-2007 14:41:06] <oubiwann> creiht: exactly
[30-Mar-2007 14:41:13] <creiht> And you get the ultimate question... Ease of programming or performance
[30-Mar-2007 14:41:18] <creiht> Not an easy question
[30-Mar-2007 14:41:33] <oubiwann> my guess is we will start producing querying and reporting tools for Zenoss
[30-Mar-2007 14:41:50] <oubiwann> this has already happened to a certain extent
[30-Mar-2007 14:42:03] <creiht> Erik seemed pretty excited about SQLAlchemy at Pycon... Are they still looking into that?
[30-Mar-2007 14:42:49] <oubiwann> and as Zenoss gets more popular and we are better able to communicate the benefits of having the ZODB for Zenoss persistent storage, the more widely-used and appreciated these tools will be
[30-Mar-2007 14:43:15] <illsci> what are the benefits compared to a relational database
[30-Mar-2007 14:43:19] <oubiwann> I started talking with Erik and Eric about SQLAlchemy last August
[30-Mar-2007 14:43:32] <illsci> btw thanks for writing this..
[30-Mar-2007 14:43:37] <creiht> I had poked him about it a while ago as well
[30-Mar-2007 14:43:50] <oubiwann> there were a bunch of things that could have been ported immediately
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:02] <creiht> I think the SA presentation at pycon that got him excited about it
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:02] <oubiwann> like events, history
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:05] <creiht> right
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:09] <oubiwann> but it wasn't a high-priority
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:13] <creiht> That would be the first logical step
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:26] <creiht> And would allow for other DB's besides MySQL
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:28] <oubiwann> SQLAlchemy is still very immature, though
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:33] <oubiwann> ORMs are difficult to get right
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:40] <creiht> oubiwann: I would argue a bit differently
[30-Mar-2007 14:45:06] <creiht> It hasn't been around for a real long time
[30-Mar-2007 14:45:23] <creiht> But it has matured much faster than most open source apps
[30-Mar-2007 14:45:31] <creiht> At least in my opinion
[30-Mar-2007 14:46:13] <oubiwann> true, product dependency decisions can't be based on relative qualities
[30-Mar-2007 14:46:13] <creiht> illsci: The biggest advantage for zodb is that it makes things like the event tree and performance template inheritance super simple
[30-Mar-2007 14:46:31] <creiht> illsci: As well as the revision history so that you can easily roll back changes
[30-Mar-2007 14:47:11] <creiht> But I look at SQLAlchemy as finally an ORM done right in Python
[30-Mar-2007 14:47:21] <oubiwann> creiht: the problem is that it isn't
[30-Mar-2007 14:47:28] <creiht> oubiwann: In what way?
[30-Mar-2007 14:47:36] <oubiwann> the ORM part
[30-Mar-2007 14:47:43] <oubiwann> the SQL abstraction is okay
[30-Mar-2007 14:47:52] <oubiwann> but the ORM is riddled with bugs
[30-Mar-2007 14:48:25] <creiht> hrmmm... like?
[30-Mar-2007 14:48:26] <oubiwann> especially with complex relationship management
[30-Mar-2007 14:48:59] <creiht> What version was the last version you used?
[30-Mar-2007 14:49:06] <oubiwann> 0.2
[30-Mar-2007 14:49:24] <creiht> ahhh
[30-Mar-2007 14:49:29] <creiht> You should check out 0.3
[30-Mar-2007 14:49:36] <oubiwann> in fact, I know developers at a large company that is popular in the open source community
[30-Mar-2007 14:49:49] <oubiwann> they were ordered by their managers to use SQLAlchemy recently
[30-Mar-2007 14:49:54] <creiht> He's doen a lot of work to clean up the complex relations
[30-Mar-2007 14:50:17] <oubiwann> they tried but it was actually incapable of supporting their needs
[30-Mar-2007 14:50:21] <oubiwann> due to the bugs
[30-Mar-2007 14:50:30] <creiht> hrmmm
[30-Mar-2007 14:50:32] <oubiwann> they submitted 4 patches that would have fixed the majority of them
[30-Mar-2007 14:50:43] <creiht> I guess that hasn't been my experience yet
[30-Mar-2007 14:50:46] <oubiwann> but they got a lot of pushback from the SQLA dev team
[30-Mar-2007 14:50:56] <oubiwann> in the end, they had to write their own ORM
[30-Mar-2007 14:51:27] <oubiwann> it hasn't been released yet, but they plan on it
[30-Mar-2007 14:51:54] <creiht> What problems did they run into?
[30-Mar-2007 14:52:14] <oubiwann> managing complex relationships between multiples of tables
[30-Mar-2007 14:53:01] <creiht> What about the relationship caused the problem?
[30-Mar-2007 14:53:06] <oubiwann> there was one particularly nasty bug where some kind of infinite recursion bug was triggered
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[30-Mar-2007 14:53:18] <oubiwann> I didn't work on the code specifically, so I can't give any more details
[30-Mar-2007 14:53:26] <creiht> gotcha
[30-Mar-2007 14:53:32] <oubiwann> but these guys are insanely brilliant
[30-Mar-2007 14:54:26] <oubiwann> the SQLAlchemy team did eventually agree that there was a problem, but it was like pulling teeth just to get that far
[30-Mar-2007 14:54:49] <creiht> oubiwann: sistechnology?
[30-Mar-2007 14:54:54] <oubiwann> I had a similar personal experience when I found a bug in the ORM at version 0.1, once that impacted object history management in the ORM
[30-Mar-2007 14:55:01] <jreese> hrmf
[30-Mar-2007 14:55:28] <oubiwann> creiht: ?
[30-Mar-2007 14:55:35] <creiht> Is that the company?
[30-Mar-2007 14:55:40] <oubiwann> nope ;-)
[30-Mar-2007 14:55:46] <creiht> Sorry... was searching the tickets to see if I could find the issue
[30-Mar-2007 14:55:55] <creiht> And sounded like what you were talking about
[30-Mar-2007 14:56:14] <creiht> oh well
[30-Mar-2007 14:56:40] <oubiwann> now, that being said, I still use SQLAlchemy on small projects that *have* to have MySQL or Postgres support
[30-Mar-2007 14:57:36] <oubiwann> The ORM that makes the most sense to me is Divmod's Axiom, but it only supports SQLite, so when I have to work on a project that supports Postgres or MySQL, I use SQLAlchemy
[30-Mar-2007 14:57:50] <creiht> oubiwann: Of course
[30-Mar-2007 14:57:52] <oubiwann> but I make sure to use the ORM very, very carefully
[30-Mar-2007 14:58:59] <creiht> I guess my experience so far has been a bit different
[30-Mar-2007 14:59:15] <creiht> We have some pretty complex relations ships in our current schema
[30-Mar-2007 14:59:19] <oubiwann> yeah, and most people's has -- thus the general positive view of SQLA
[30-Mar-2007 14:59:35] <creiht> And everything that I have thrown at SA, it has handled very well
[30-Mar-2007 14:59:36] <oubiwann> it's the edge cases that can bring it crumbling down
[30-Mar-2007 15:00:18] <oubiwann> and with maturity, those edge cases will be discovered and remidied
[30-Mar-2007 15:00:19] <creiht> Could it also be from differences in philosphy?
[30-Mar-2007 15:00:42] <creiht> I do know that is one point where they seem to be at odds
[30-Mar-2007 15:01:12] <oubiwann> only if they difference comes from statements like "no, there's no bug here; we're not going to change that code." and then after much discussion "oh, yeah, I guess there might be a bug there..."
[30-Mar-2007 15:01:17] <creiht> Where I've seen people want to do things a certain way in SA, but wasn't really alligned with the philosophy of how the tool is supposed to work
[30-Mar-2007 15:01:23] <creiht> hrmmm
[30-Mar-2007 15:01:50] <oubiwann> I think the biggest problem with SA dev is the admitted inexperience they have with ORM development
[30-Mar-2007 15:02:03] <oubiwann> they're learning as they go
[30-Mar-2007 15:02:28] <oubiwann> and they sometimes don't believe it when they encounter other developers that have more experience then they do
[30-Mar-2007 15:02:44] <oubiwann> and I am most definitely NOT talking about myself here ;-)
[30-Mar-2007 15:02:57] <creiht> heh
[30-Mar-2007 15:02:59] <jreese> i'm really starting to like how zenoss is built
[30-Mar-2007 15:03:15] <jreese> starting to get a hang of it
[30-Mar-2007 15:03:36] <oubiwann> as they improve their relationships with other projects and developers from those projects, this will become less and less of an issue
[30-Mar-2007 15:03:48] <oubiwann> jreese: excellent!
[30-Mar-2007 15:03:50] <jreese> ok, i have all my UI elements done
[30-Mar-2007 15:04:07] <jreese> last thing i have to do is figure out how to associate the RRDTemplate with the IISSite model when it's created
[30-Mar-2007 15:04:14] <jreese> so it makes the rrd file and stuff
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[30-Mar-2007 15:10:52] <chet> jreese: Take a look at Products/SnmpCollector/CustomMaps/HRFileSystemMap.py for that.
[30-Mar-2007 15:11:45] <jreese> k
[30-Mar-2007 15:13:17] <jreese> ok, so just making the RRDTemplate in the interface isn't enough?
[30-Mar-2007 15:13:40] <chet> Definitely not.. it wouldn't know how to match the SNMP table indexes, etc..
[30-Mar-2007 15:13:54] <chet> Anytime you're dealing with an SNMP table structure an RRDTemplate will fall short.
[30-Mar-2007 15:14:30] <chet> I assume that's what you're dealing with if you've come this far already. =}
[30-Mar-2007 15:14:39] <jreese> yeah
[30-Mar-2007 15:14:51] <jreese> getting data from the snmp-informant advanced version
[30-Mar-2007 15:15:12] <jreese> their oids are nuts for iis, the key is an ascii representation of the site name
[30-Mar-2007 15:16:01] <jreese> so do i need both the RRDTemplate and the CustomMap or just the CustomMap?
[30-Mar-2007 15:16:07] <chet> Doh.. I've seen that in Dell's OMSA stuff too.
[30-Mar-2007 15:16:12] <Bulwinkle> when a device is added to zenoss and the system snmp sysobject ID is in manufacturers known list shouldn't it automatically populate it?
[30-Mar-2007 15:16:26] <chet> Both.. check out how the FileSystem template works.
[30-Mar-2007 15:16:36] <jreese> k, i'm working on it right now
[30-Mar-2007 15:16:50] <chet> Bulwinkle: Automatically populate the manufacturer fields? Yes.
[30-Mar-2007 15:16:53] <jreese> i've got to say, i really like python... very easy to follow
[30-Mar-2007 15:17:11] <chet> jreese: Couldn't agree more.
[30-Mar-2007 15:17:27] <Bulwinkle> chet: isn't happening for me for some reason....
[30-Mar-2007 15:17:28] <chet> jreese: Unfortunately Zope confuses me. =}
[30-Mar-2007 15:17:34] <Bulwinkle> I had some processes down though
[30-Mar-2007 15:17:47] <jreese> hehe, the only experience i have with zope is customers yelling at me when they screwed it up back when i was in tech support
[30-Mar-2007 15:18:36] <chet> Bulwinkle: So there's nothing in the HW Manufacturer or HW Model fields at all?
[30-Mar-2007 15:19:12] <chet> What about the SNMP sysName field?
[30-Mar-2007 15:19:33] <jreese> the SnmpCollector maps look a lot like the DataCollector maps
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[30-Mar-2007 15:20:45] <chet> jreese: Yeah.. makes sense since you're graphing the same stuff that you've modelled.
[30-Mar-2007 15:20:50] <chet> modeled..
[30-Mar-2007 15:21:00] <Bulwinkle> chet: appears that way
[30-Mar-2007 15:21:27] <chet> Bulwinkle: Sounds like the modeling errored out. Move the device into the appropriate class and recollect it from the manage tab.
[30-Mar-2007 15:23:48] <Bulwinkle> chet okay
[30-Mar-2007 15:28:42] <jreese> would fs['id'] and fs.id be the same thing?
[30-Mar-2007 15:29:04] <Bulwinkle> chet: no luck... I added a new device and the same thing happened
[30-Mar-2007 15:30:49] <chet> jreese: They referring to the same value..
[30-Mar-2007 15:31:05] <jreese> ok, just different syntax
[30-Mar-2007 15:31:16] <chet> The difference is that in fs['id'] fs is a dictionary. In fs.id fs is a FileSystem object.
[30-Mar-2007 15:31:31] <jreese> hrm, ok
[30-Mar-2007 15:31:37] <Bulwinkle> chet: it is finding the correct IOS version... (blink blink)
[30-Mar-2007 15:31:45] <jreese> i think i see how that works then
[30-Mar-2007 15:32:22] <chet> Bulwinkle: Did you move it into the /Network/Router/Cisco class and recollect it?
[30-Mar-2007 15:32:47] <Bulwinkle> chet: yeppers... I always change that when I add a device (cisco device at least)....
[30-Mar-2007 15:35:08] <jreese> i take it zenperfsnmp picks up the CustomMaps
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[30-Mar-2007 15:39:52] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'd love to help with the development of Zenoss.... If I can get some of the functionality working that looks promising then I can get some money from my company to donate to the project
[30-Mar-2007 15:41:10] <Bulwinkle> chet: here is what I get when it gets to the sysObjectID: set attribute 'snmpOid' to '.1.3.6.1.4.1.9.1.576' on object 'SUG-PEI-RTR00.energy.sug.pri'
[30-Mar-2007 15:46:11] <chet> Bulwinkle: Right after that does it go to "calling function 'setHWProductKey' with ...
[30-Mar-2007 15:46:34] <Bulwinkle> chet: it should follow it directly correct?
[30-Mar-2007 15:46:44] <chet> That's what it does on mine at least..
[30-Mar-2007 15:51:05] <Bulwinkle> Doesn't on mine....
[30-Mar-2007 15:51:33] <Bulwinkle> am I missing something? I have that Oid in my database
[30-Mar-2007 15:51:44] <Bulwinkle> Cisco 2811 Router
[30-Mar-2007 15:52:24] <chet> It shouldn't matter if you have it in your database or not. Even if it wasn't in your database it is supposed to set the hardware model to the OID string itself.
[30-Mar-2007 15:53:25] <chet> From looking at the code I don't understand how the IOS could be set, but not the hardware model.
[30-Mar-2007 15:53:53] <jreese> hrm, i don't see the snmp map being run
[30-Mar-2007 15:54:55] <chet> jreese: Forgot to mention.. add it to Products/SnmpCollector/CustomMaps/__init__.py
[30-Mar-2007 15:55:01] <Bulwinkle> chet: here is the OID string:
[30-Mar-2007 15:55:03] <Bulwinkle> SNMPv2-MIB::sysObjectID.0 = OID: SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.1.576
[30-Mar-2007 15:55:04] <jreese> ah hah, thanks!
[30-Mar-2007 15:55:42] <Bulwinkle> chet: that is with a snmpwalk (HOST) system
[30-Mar-2007 15:56:06] <Bulwinkle> Ah well... I'll look at it next week. Thanks for your help Chet!
[30-Mar-2007 15:56:18] * jreese is excited
[30-Mar-2007 15:56:29] <chet> Bulwinkle: Maybe you could try deleting the model from your manufacturer's list.
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[30-Mar-2007 15:57:06] <chet> jreese: I bet.. people have tried to do what you're doing and given up many times. =}
[30-Mar-2007 15:57:17] <chet> jreese: I'm too lazy to even try.
[30-Mar-2007 15:57:22] <jreese> haha
[30-Mar-2007 15:57:40] <jreese> it's really not too hard, the hardest part for me is learning how everything ties together in zenoss
[30-Mar-2007 15:57:51] <jreese> and not being very fluent in python
[30-Mar-2007 15:57:59] <chet> For some reason I find it a lot easier to explain it to you than understand it myself.
[30-Mar-2007 15:58:04] <jreese> haha
[30-Mar-2007 15:58:09] <jreese> you're a huge help
[30-Mar-2007 15:58:14] <jreese> would definately not have figured it out
[30-Mar-2007 15:58:21] <jreese> without your help, so thanks
[30-Mar-2007 15:58:44] <chet> My pleasure.. I've learned a lot in the process too.
[30-Mar-2007 15:59:26] <jreese> hrm, it's still not running the map
[30-Mar-2007 15:59:57] <chet> Are you modeling from the web, or command line?
[30-Mar-2007 16:00:02] <jreese> command line
[30-Mar-2007 16:00:39] <jreese> i'm running zenmodeler and zenperfsnmp on the device
[30-Mar-2007 16:00:47] <jreese> i wonder if i have to rebuild the mappings
[30-Mar-2007 16:02:19] <chet> Sure doesn't look like it.. it looks like it runs the initCustomMaps in __init__.py everytime SnmpCollector is instantiated.
[30-Mar-2007 16:02:40] <jreese> and zenperfsnmp should do that
[30-Mar-2007 16:06:32] <jreese> ah, maybe this is why
[30-Mar-2007 16:07:48] <jreese> grr, nope (i forgot to add from "InformantIISSiteMap import InformantIISSiteMap" to __init__.py)
[30-Mar-2007 16:07:57] <jreese> err "from InformantIISSiteMap import InformantIISSiteMap"
[30-Mar-2007 16:08:38] <chet> Hmm.. if you forgot to add that and you didn't get an exception thrown that means it never evaluated __init__.py at all.
[30-Mar-2007 16:08:47] <jreese>
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[30-Mar-2007 16:16:17] <chet> jreese: Are you running on trunk?
[30-Mar-2007 16:16:25] <chet> I keep forgetting.
[30-Mar-2007 16:16:26] <jreese> no
[30-Mar-2007 16:16:36] <jreese> i was going to try it, but you helped me around that
[30-Mar-2007 16:17:34] <jreese> i guess zenperfsnmp doesn't run the snmpcollector
[30-Mar-2007 16:17:54] <jreese> i put a bunch of log outputs into the _init_ and nothing is coming out
[30-Mar-2007 16:20:14] <chet> I think you're right.
[30-Mar-2007 16:20:37] <chet> It's really hard to follow what zenperfsnmp does.
[30-Mar-2007 16:21:10] <jreese> time for debug mode
[30-Mar-2007 16:23:33] <jreese> hrmf
[30-Mar-2007 16:27:11] <jreese> maybe i have to add the ZenModel to Products/ZenModel/__init__.py
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[30-Mar-2007 16:29:47] <jreese> nope
[30-Mar-2007 16:35:02] <jreese> Products/ZenModel/identify.py is the only script that looks like it uses the SnmpCollector
[30-Mar-2007 16:36:44] <chet> I think I might be on to something..
[30-Mar-2007 16:36:50] <jreese> oh?
[30-Mar-2007 16:40:01] <jreese> well, it's associated with the RRDTemplate from the looks of it
[30-Mar-2007 16:40:06] <jreese> it's just not making the .rrd file
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[30-Mar-2007 16:41:33] <chet> What class is your ZenMode derived from?
[30-Mar-2007 16:41:38] <chet> er.. ZenModel.
[30-Mar-2007 16:41:46] <jreese> OSComponent
[30-Mar-2007 16:41:52] <jreese> i think..
[30-Mar-2007 16:41:57] <chet> good.. it should be.
[30-Mar-2007 16:42:06] <chet> Have you set it's monitor property to true?
[30-Mar-2007 16:42:09] <jreese> from OSComponent import OSComponent <-- would that do it?
[30-Mar-2007 16:42:22] <jreese> yeah, it's true by default
[30-Mar-2007 16:43:07] <chet> How'd you set that?
[30-Mar-2007 16:43:09] <jreese> do you think it needs a threshhold?
[30-Mar-2007 16:43:26] <jreese> i have "monitor = True" in the beginning of the class
[30-Mar-2007 16:43:54] <jreese> it shows up as true in the interface
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[30-Mar-2007 16:44:49] <chet> And your data source has the same name as your class' value for getRRDNames?
[30-Mar-2007 16:46:47] <jreese> nope, i don't have that method
[30-Mar-2007 16:46:50] <jreese> sec
[30-Mar-2007 16:50:05] <chet> I have to get going. Good luck with that thing. Hopefully I'll have some time over the weekend to dig into it a bit more.
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[30-Mar-2007 16:50:44] <jreese> damn
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[30-Mar-2007 17:04:13] <TransTh> I have aquestion about adding a new service, whenever I add a service it does not have a place for a port number. I noticed this even in the documentation and haven't found anything about it other than adding services will be a future ability. Can anyone give me a solution or workaround other than canbalizing an already present service?
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[30-Mar-2007 18:30:07] <jreese> haha! got it
[30-Mar-2007 18:31:51] <jreese> i'm going to change my name to something really long so chet can hopefully not spend time looking into it
[30-Mar-2007 18:31:59] <jreese-chet-Prod> damn, nvm
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[30-Mar-2007 23:14:46] <matholio> Hi all.
[30-Mar-2007 23:15:43] <matholio> I've used Nagios for years and it's fine, but I find some aspect aren't good enough, so I'm a looking about at other offerings.
[30-Mar-2007 23:16:07] <matholio> Can Zenoss do distributed monitoring ?
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[31-Mar-2007 01:02:58] <matholio> Can Zenoss do distributed monitoring ?
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[01-Mar-2007 10:27:34] <b00mer> Hi y'all... I see the recent mail thread regarding the ping only monitoring in the archives... was there a resolution? I want to monitor a device which doesn't have an snmp daemon. Is there a way to do it?
[01-Mar-2007 10:28:32] <creiht> b00mer: Yes
[01-Mar-2007 10:28:46] <creiht> looking...
[01-Mar-2007 10:30:14] <chet> You create a new status monitor and set the ping retries to 0
[01-Mar-2007 10:31:49] <b00mer> chet: do you mean "Ping Tries"
[01-Mar-2007 10:31:50] <b00mer> ?
[01-Mar-2007 10:32:14] <chet> oops, yes.
[01-Mar-2007 10:32:31] <chet> At least that was the solution posted to the list.
[01-Mar-2007 10:32:39] <b00mer> ok... just starting out with zenoss... how do I associate that to a specific device?
[01-Mar-2007 10:32:52] <chet> Go the the Edit tab for a device, status monitor is a drop-down.
[01-Mar-2007 10:34:48] <PerlStalker> Is it possible to create a user which can only see certain devices?
[01-Mar-2007 10:35:30] <chet> no, not yet.
[01-Mar-2007 10:36:01] <PerlStalker> Bummer. Alright, thanks.
[01-Mar-2007 11:02:49] <b00mer> another question... thinking about migrating from Nagios to Zenoss... and in Nagios there is parenting (has some issues, but works ok) of devices... is that in Zenoss? Is that the idea of the zenmodeler? and if I am doing some ping-only monitoring, is it as effective as it will need to be, if not can I add relationships manually?
[01-Mar-2007 11:03:52] <b00mer> btw: Thanks chet... testing out your explanation above.
[01-Mar-2007 11:11:19] <chet> Good question, b00mer. I'm not 100% clear on how the parenting works in Zenoss, but here's my understanding..
[01-Mar-2007 11:12:51] <chet> The zenping process uses the knowledge of your routing tables to build a hierarchy of systems, thus automatically discovering your parent relationships. It can determine if a host is unreachable or down using this data. The other processes like zenstatus or zenperfsnmp can that use this host down data to avoid polling hosts that are down.
[01-Mar-2007 11:13:17] <chet> I've been meaning to run a test of this capability to see how well it really works in the real world, but haven't had the chance yet.
[01-Mar-2007 11:13:47] <b00mer> chet: you work for Zenoss? I see your in MD?
[01-Mar-2007 11:13:49] <chet> You can't currently add relationships manually, but this is slated for the next release.
[01-Mar-2007 11:13:56] <chet> No.. just a user.
[01-Mar-2007 11:14:08] <chet> Oddly enough I work right down the street.
[01-Mar-2007 11:14:36] <b00mer> you using this in a production environment or just testing it out?
[01-Mar-2007 11:14:59] <b00mer> or both
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:00] <chet> Just testing right now.. having it shadow my existing Nagios system.
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:09] <b00mer> thats what I want to do
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:23] <b00mer> I just have a number of devices that are over VPNs and don't have SNMP
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:45] <b00mer> and I hate the tunnel goes down and 50 emails go out scenario
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:55] <b00mer> when one would have sufficed
[01-Mar-2007 11:16:14] <chet> Yeah.. I think you're SOL until the next release then.
[01-Mar-2007 11:16:31] <b00mer> so far... as a nagios guy... how do you like it? impressions?
[01-Mar-2007 11:16:36] <chet> You can manually hack the routes in, but it is anything but straightforward.
[01-Mar-2007 11:17:15] <chet> I love it.. I can't wait to replace Nagios with it. Unfortunately there are still a few things Nagios does better.
[01-Mar-2007 11:17:43] <chet> Sometimes better is just defined as differently.
[01-Mar-2007 11:18:49] <b00mer> yea... there wasn't as much of a learning curve looking at zenoss as I would have imagined... but still I don't even remotely understand the basics yet.
[01-Mar-2007 11:18:50] <creiht> b00mer: I'm using it in production and love it
[01-Mar-2007 11:19:08] <creiht> I used OpenNMS before though and not Nagios
[01-Mar-2007 11:19:25] <b00mer> its funny... it currently tells me when a host comes back online via email, but not when it goes offline
[01-Mar-2007 11:19:28] <chet> b00mer: If you don't already know Python, learn it and Zenoss becomes oodles better.
[01-Mar-2007 11:19:53] <b00mer> yea... php and perl... but its on my list of things to dive in to
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:41] <PerlStalker> I've trying to avoid finding a reason to learn python.
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:48] <PerlStalker> Seem like I can't avoid it any more.
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:49] <b00mer> creiht: I always found OpenNMS to be a bear to get started with... tried twice and both times lost interest
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:54] <chet> heh.. I didn't know a lick until I started using Zenoss.
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:58] <creiht> haha
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:04] <creiht> Yeah... It is a pain to get setup
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:19] <chet> More of a pain to extend.
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:25] <PerlStalker> Indeed.
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:25] <creiht> We lost our monitoring server, and I didn't want to go through setting up ONMS again
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:39] <creiht> That's when I found Zenoss, and haven't looked back
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:42] <PerlStalker> I tried to get opennms to talk to our APs and it was a PITA.
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:03] <creiht> Once you get it working, there are some nice things about it
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:11] <b00mer> so creiht ... you have the issues of parenting licked?
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:34] <creiht> luckily... I don't have to worry about that
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:44] <creiht> I just monitor servers
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:51] <creiht> Not network gear
[01-Mar-2007 11:23:10] <b00mer> I've tried that ping monitor... and so far no pings to the box being monitored
[01-Mar-2007 11:25:02] <chet> There wouldn't even be any if you set the ping tries to 100. The reason it works is that the default zenping process sees that it isn't the monitor for that device, so it doesn't check it. The monitor you created will never run.
[01-Mar-2007 11:26:01] <b00mer> I tried setting it to 0
[01-Mar-2007 11:26:06] <b00mer> now back to 2
[01-Mar-2007 11:26:23] <b00mer> then played with the maximum failures from 1440 to 5
[01-Mar-2007 11:28:14] <creiht> b00mer: Zenoss caches configs, and reloads every 20 minutes
[01-Mar-2007 11:28:26] <creiht> So if you make a change, it might take a while to register
[01-Mar-2007 11:28:30] <creiht> unless you restart zenoss
[01-Mar-2007 11:28:46] <b00mer> yea... its been 20 minutes since I did it... tried at 10:30 EST
[01-Mar-2007 11:29:38] <creiht> b00mer: How did you add the device?
[01-Mar-2007 11:30:11] <b00mer> "Add Device" then set "Discovery Protocol" to none.... and set
[01-Mar-2007 11:30:23] <b00mer> "Status Monitors" to "ping"
[01-Mar-2007 11:30:53] <chet> I thought you didn't want it to ping.
[01-Mar-2007 11:31:11] <creiht> If I recall correctly... all you should have to do is set the "Discovery Protocol" to none
[01-Mar-2007 11:31:18] <creiht> And it should check ping
[01-Mar-2007 11:31:24] <creiht> leave all the rest the default
[01-Mar-2007 11:31:40] <b00mer> ok
[01-Mar-2007 11:32:11] <b00mer> chet: no... all I want it to do is ping... for devices where there is no snmp or don't have access to snmp community
[01-Mar-2007 11:32:36] <chet> ok, then I gave you bad instructions. That is the default behavior. You can delete that "ping" status monitor and just let it use localhost.
[01-Mar-2007 11:35:00] <b00mer> no worries... go its set back to the localhost... what was weird when playing with it yesterday... was that it wouldn't alert when the host disappeared... but would alert when it came back online.
[01-Mar-2007 11:35:37] <chet> Was event state set to New in your alerting rule?
[01-Mar-2007 11:35:53] <b00mer> Iyes
[01-Mar-2007 11:36:48] <chet> I seem to remember a bug like this in a recent version. Which version are you running?
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:00] <b00mer> I am also running from vmware
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:03] <b00mer> so it could be old
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:15] <b00mer> started typing as you said that
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:43] <chet> Are the events created properly? IP down, then IP up?
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:54] <chet> You can check the history for the device to see.
[01-Mar-2007 11:39:40] <b00mer> I restarted the zenmodeler process and the web interface stopped responding... rebooting and I'll look
[01-Mar-2007 11:46:45] <b00mer> ok... its pinging
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[01-Mar-2007 11:48:25] <creiht> b00mer: wohoo
[01-Mar-2007 11:48:37] <creiht> oubiwann: How are the sprints going?
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:04] <oubiwann> creiht: pretty well... I'm actually packed up and waiting in the lobby, so I'm done now
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:10] <creiht> ahhh
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:15] <oubiwann> but I'll actually be continuing them when I get back to Colorado :-)
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:16] <creiht> Well safe travels then
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:20] <creiht> cool
[01-Mar-2007 11:56:15] <b00mer> ok... so I am back where I was... I brought down the interface to a system... it says its down... /Status/Ping 192.168.1.101 ip 192.168.1.101 is down
[01-Mar-2007 11:56:18] <b00mer> count is 6
[01-Mar-2007 11:56:21] <b00mer> but no email
[01-Mar-2007 11:56:37] <creiht> b00mer: That is odd... what version are you using?
[01-Mar-2007 11:57:02] <b00mer> aparently 1.1.1
[01-Mar-2007 11:58:28] <creiht> b00mer: Go to the $ZENOSS/logs dir
[01-Mar-2007 11:58:29] <b00mer> under alerting rules for my user... delay 0 enabled true action email.. production, error, new
[01-Mar-2007 11:58:32] <b00mer> ok
[01-Mar-2007 11:58:49] <creiht> And check the actions.log (I think that is what it is called) for any errors
[01-Mar-2007 11:59:22] <creiht> oh zenactions.log
[01-Mar-2007 11:59:51] <b00mer> doh
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:04] <b00mer> yea... I get the irc idiot of the day award
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:10] <creiht> haha
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:15] <b00mer> SPAM filtered... whereas the up message isn't
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:24] <creiht> Interesting
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:43] <chet> Most of my coworkers call it spam anyway.. so maybe appropriate.
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:46] <b00mer> good thing our spam filtering is consistent ...
[01-Mar-2007 12:01:06] <chet> SpamAngel (tm): You only get the good news.
[01-Mar-2007 12:03:14] <b00mer> ok... we'll now that I am passed this hurdle... getting closer to full size scale test... but that parenting will become an issue... but since it never really worked that well in nagios... it might not be that big an issue
[01-Mar-2007 12:04:31] <creiht> b00mer: I would send an email to the mailing list
[01-Mar-2007 12:04:42] <creiht> The devs are always fairly responsive
[01-Mar-2007 12:08:47] <chet> There are already a few tickets out there regarding the parenting. The one that looks like it's going to receive immediate attention is the one that will let you specify routes manually to build a correct pingtree and discover the dependencies.
[01-Mar-2007 12:08:52] <chet> I'd expect to see it in 1.2
[01-Mar-2007 12:10:18] <PerlStalker> I wonder how that would work with dynamic routes.
[01-Mar-2007 12:11:35] <chet> It depends what you mean by dynamic routes. Normally it discovers all routes regardless of metric, so it would know if any of them are a valid path.
[01-Mar-2007 12:12:03] <PerlStalker> Routes learned via OSPF
[01-Mar-2007 12:12:11] <chet> yes, it discovers those.
[01-Mar-2007 12:12:15] <PerlStalker> Shiny
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[01-Mar-2007 12:17:18] <creiht> b00mer: The zenoss team has been very receptive to user input. The more users that request certain features usually means the greater likelyhood that the feature will show up sooner
[01-Mar-2007 12:19:21] <b00mer> ok... I'll try and come up with a concise set of requirements I would like to see it handle
[01-Mar-2007 12:36:25] <b00mer> If you want to monitor windows servers... do you have install zenwin if you want to use WMI?
[01-Mar-2007 12:37:53] <chet> yes
[01-Mar-2007 12:38:04] <b00mer> thx
[01-Mar-2007 12:38:22] <chet> The Linux WMI clients are still quite buggy.
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[01-Mar-2007 18:29:05] <PerlStalker> How does one go about debugging DataCollector plugins?
[01-Mar-2007 18:40:38] <b00mer> bug: Changing the name of a device with a quote, a.k.a "b00mer's bitch box", causes all havoc.
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[01-Mar-2007 23:10:23] <Snake-Eyes> I assume theres a way to copy/clone a machine or make template ? eg I create graphs and data points for machine that I ssh into (not snmp), can I copy that another device to dont have to copy everything across manual
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[02-Mar-2007 10:22:32] <_chris_> Snake-Eyes: what you should do is set up a new performance template, and then set your first device to use that performance template. then when you add additional devices you can have them use the same performance template.
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[02-Mar-2007 14:09:29] <Feyr> hey guys. any reason the clock on the vmware appliance would just stop? that causes a problem with zenoss stopping the collection of its data
[02-Mar-2007 14:18:52] <PerlStalker> vmware went stupid?
[02-Mar-2007 14:21:33] <chet> vmware clock problems are always a pain, especially on SMP systems.
[02-Mar-2007 14:22:36] <chet> Your best bet is to set clock=pit in your grub.conf and set vmware-tools to sync the clock.
[02-Mar-2007 14:22:43] <Feyr> yeah i just found that. thanks
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[02-Mar-2007 14:26:01] <mangopudd> howdy. i need some assistance on setting up http monitor
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[02-Mar-2007 16:26:42] <chet> PerlStalker: Were you asking about the scalability of Zenoss the other day?
[02-Mar-2007 16:28:10] <PerlStalker> I was.
[02-Mar-2007 16:28:54] <chet> After some closer examination I think my numbers were a bit off.
[02-Mar-2007 16:32:27] <PerlStalker> Ok.
[02-Mar-2007 16:32:32] <chet> I have an old dual 550Mhz Dell 4350 that can actually get 35k data sources in 5 minutes.
[02-Mar-2007 16:32:44] <PerlStalker> Not bad.
[02-Mar-2007 16:32:50] <chet> A new Dell 2850 with dual 3Ghz processors can get nearly 70k.
[02-Mar-2007 16:33:03] <PerlStalker> That should work.
[02-Mar-2007 16:33:19] <monrad> 70K rrd files?
[02-Mar-2007 16:33:22] <chet> yeah
[02-Mar-2007 16:33:27] <PerlStalker> Now I just need to get my new DataCollector plugin working
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:07] <monrad> hmm i cant seem to get there on my server
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:26] <monrad> also dual 3ghz
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:29] <chet> monrad: that is with an average of 62 data sources per device.
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:39] <chet> on a US-wide network.
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:55] <monrad> i am collection more than 62 per device
[02-Mar-2007 16:35:15] <chet> Theoretically that would help performance..
[02-Mar-2007 16:35:37] <chet> Especially if you were using SNMPv2c..
[02-Mar-2007 16:37:24] <chet> ah.. maybe here's the catch.
[02-Mar-2007 16:37:34] <chet> My numbers are assuming you have your ZODB and MySQL databases on another server.
[02-Mar-2007 16:37:54] <monrad> ah
[02-Mar-2007 16:38:07] <chet> I do all my collection from remote monitors to keep my web interface as snappy as possible.
[02-Mar-2007 16:38:19] <monrad> well i have the rrd files on a SAN so i am offloading my IO
[02-Mar-2007 16:41:03] <chet> How are you connecting to the SAN/
[02-Mar-2007 16:41:30] <monrad> a qlogic fiber card
[02-Mar-2007 16:46:21] <monrad> i hope tobis RRDaccelerator is going to work
[02-Mar-2007 16:46:52] <monrad> i am looking forward to seeing his tutorial on rrd tomorrow
[02-Mar-2007 16:47:41] <chet> It's about time he did something like that. =}
[02-Mar-2007 16:48:00] <chet> Unfortunately I don't see how that would help Zenoss at all.
[02-Mar-2007 16:48:08] <chet> Considering that it only puts one archive in each file.
[02-Mar-2007 16:48:45] <monrad> well according to his wiki page thats whats its for
[02-Mar-2007 16:49:39] <monrad> http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool-trac/wiki/RRDaccelerator
[02-Mar-2007 16:49:39] <adytum-bot> Title: RRDaccelerator - RRDtool Trac - Trac (at oss.oetiker.ch)
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[03-Mar-2007 00:57:20] <oiaohm> Hi all
[03-Mar-2007 00:57:43] <oiaohm> Anyone know if zenoss can mointer file alterations on windows in real time.
[03-Mar-2007 01:16:42] <oiaohm> Ok is anyone home in here
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[04-Mar-2007 00:42:01] <calvinhp> I just downloaded the latest zenoss via svn so I could try it out on my mac
[04-Mar-2007 00:42:51] <calvinhp> the zope and most daemons start up except for a few like the perfsnmp monitor
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:03] <calvinhp> it errors out trying to setuid itself
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:09] <calvinhp> same for a couple others
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:18] <calvinhp> I installed it as my user
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:22] <calvinhp> and it runs fine that way
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:31] <calvinhp> I tried running it as root, but got the same error
[04-Mar-2007 00:46:01] <calvinhp> ok, my bad
[04-Mar-2007 00:46:09] <calvinhp> it has to be run as the uid zenoss
[04-Mar-2007 00:46:12] <calvinhp> sorry for the noise
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[04-Mar-2007 10:07:32] <TypMic1004> Anyone have or know of howtos for integrating MRTD or RDDTool to zenoss?
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[04-Mar-2007 21:36:19] <Snake-Eyes> any know what the trick is to get a device to use a new performance template ?
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[05-Mar-2007 09:05:48] <TypMic1004> anyone integrate MRTG or wireshark to Zenoss and willing to share how they did it?
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[05-Mar-2007 10:15:38] <rhester> Anyone awake?
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[05-Mar-2007 10:19:28] <e\ectro_> anyone around this morning?
[05-Mar-2007 10:19:47] <e\ectro_> was wonder if someone could say the differences between Nagios and Zenoss
[05-Mar-2007 10:20:09] <rhester> Zenoss essentially sits atop a Nagios structure. It's a superset of the functionality.
[05-Mar-2007 10:20:53] <PerlStalker> And it's prettier :-)
[05-Mar-2007 10:21:24] <rhester> Anyone have experience with Zenoss memory thresholds for Linux?
[05-Mar-2007 10:21:26] <PerlStalker> Because, of course, looks mean everything
[05-Mar-2007 10:21:37] <creiht> rhester: Zenoss is able to run nagios plugins, but is not built off of nagios itself
[05-Mar-2007 10:22:13] <creiht> e\ectro_: But I would bet that you will find it better all the way around
[05-Mar-2007 10:22:15] <rhester> creiht: I know - but from a user perspective, the "under-the-hood" stuff may not be Nagios, but it's a "Nagios-alike". =) I wasn't getting down to the implementation level.
[05-Mar-2007 10:22:23] <creiht> hehe
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:01] <creiht> Well the only problem with that is that if people think that if it sits atop of Nagios that it will have the same inherit problems as nagios
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:23] <rhester> Fair enough. OK, Zenoss has its own set of unique and hairy problems. *laughs*
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:31] <creiht> heh
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:51] <creiht> I would call them more fuzzy than hairy
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:56] <creiht>
[05-Mar-2007 10:24:17] <PerlStalker> Just watch out for the snake
[05-Mar-2007 10:24:21] <rhester> I'm still trying to figure out how to pull its head out of its ass w.r.t. memory tracking - for thresholds, I _need_ the ability for Zenoss to consider Linux free memory to be real + cached + buffers, NOT just real.
[05-Mar-2007 10:24:38] <rhester> The data's all there already...I don't want to write a plugin just to deliver data Zenoss already has :/
[05-Mar-2007 10:25:16] <creiht> PerlStalker: I'm a snake charmer
[05-Mar-2007 10:25:51] <creiht> rhester: Is there an MIB that exposes that data, or does it have to be added together after collection?
[05-Mar-2007 10:26:01] <PerlStalker> I have, thus far, avoided any reason to play with python.
[05-Mar-2007 10:26:06] <rhester> creiht: The latter - three MIBs
[05-Mar-2007 10:26:11] * PerlStalker curses zenoss for making him learn python
[05-Mar-2007 10:26:48] <creiht> PerlStalker will soon be know as SnakeCharmer
[05-Mar-2007 10:27:02] <PerlStalker> heh
[05-Mar-2007 10:27:34] <creiht> But lets not turn this into a Perl vs. Python religions rant
[05-Mar-2007 10:27:56] <creiht> rhester: Have you tried sending an email to the mailing list about it?
[05-Mar-2007 10:28:04] <PerlStalker> My dislike for python is only due to the enforced white space.
[05-Mar-2007 10:28:20] <PerlStalker> I seems like a decent enough language otherwise.
[05-Mar-2007 10:28:33] <PerlStalker> I also code PHP, so I try to avoid the holy wars.
[05-Mar-2007 10:30:21] <rhester> creiht: I haven't, only because of my strong dislike for mailing lists...they are so antiquated it's scary. I've actively considered hosting a forum for Zenoss on their behalf.
[05-Mar-2007 10:30:55] <rhester> It's staggering to me I'm the first with this problem, given memory threshold monitoring is a very common thing and Linux is a very common server OS, but I've searched the entire mailing list archive and nada. :/
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:09] <creiht> rhester: check out community.zenoss.org
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:22] <creiht> They arlready have a forum set up that mirrors the mailing list
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:39] <rhester> Hahaha - I see that
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:42] <rhester> Cool
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:43] <rhester> THanks
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:53] <creiht> rhester: Is there a nagios plugin that does it currently?
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[05-Mar-2007 10:33:41] <creiht> rhester: And the only reason that I ask about posting is that the devs are usually fairly responsive to questions there
[05-Mar-2007 10:33:52] <rhester> creiht: Not to my knowledge. That's sort of my point though - handling this via plugin seems asinine when the data is already in Zenoss now. We just need a way to specify thresholds via formulae.
[05-Mar-2007 10:33:59] <rhester> Going to register and post on the forum.
[05-Mar-2007 10:34:46] <creiht> rhester: I agree totally
Was just trying to think of any possible work arounds[05-Mar-2007 10:35:26] <rhester> I could just write a simple plugin to do the math on each server and send it up that way...but I refuse based on esoteric grounds. =)
[05-Mar-2007 10:35:45] <rhester> It's just impossible for me to imagine that there isn't a single Zenoss user monitoring Linux server memory =)
[05-Mar-2007 10:36:00] <creiht> Well we do... but not that closely
[05-Mar-2007 10:36:21] <creiht> Memory usually isn't an issue for us
[05-Mar-2007 10:36:30] <creiht> so we don't have to threshold it
[05-Mar-2007 10:36:43] <rhester> Who wouldn't want to alert on a low-memory condition, though? It's fatal to performance if not the server itself...it's more important than CPU thresholding, IMHO
[05-Mar-2007 10:37:25] <creiht> Well... When you have servers with 8GB of memory... it usually isn't a problem
[05-Mar-2007 10:37:52] <creiht> But you are right
[05-Mar-2007 10:38:16] <creiht> I had looked at setting thresholds for stuff, I came to the same thing that you did
[05-Mar-2007 10:38:41] <creiht> But since it wasn't a major problem for us, it is way down on my list of wants for zenoss
[05-Mar-2007 10:39:37] * b52lap think that server with 8GB of memory could be perfect for command and conquer :d
[05-Mar-2007 10:39:59] <rhester> I have servers with 32GB of memory and it's still critical - we actually run a business here *laughs*
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:05] <rhester> I work for a stock exchange
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:14] <creiht> haha
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:25] <creiht> I use it to monitor our production servers
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:30] <creiht> For our internal apps
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:53] <PerlStalker> Out here, a stock exchange is where they sell cattle :-)
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:54] <rhester> When one of our developers has an "oops!" memory leak, we only tend to find out about it once the server has crashed, hence the desire to pre-empt that
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[05-Mar-2007 10:42:37] <creiht> rhester: All of that to say... What you are suggestion would be very usefull, and I would not complain if it got added
[05-Mar-2007 10:43:19] <rhester> Sadly, I won't be the one to do it - me no speakee Python =)
[05-Mar-2007 10:44:11] <creiht> rhester: The one thing that I have found is that the devs have been fairly responsive to request. If something makes sense, they seem to add it to the pipeline
[05-Mar-2007 10:44:33] <creiht> I can't guarantee that... just an observation
[05-Mar-2007 10:45:59] <rhester>
[05-Mar-2007 10:48:17] <creiht> rhester: hmmm... I was just looking at the threshold UI, and I almost bet you can set a threshold based on more than one data source
[05-Mar-2007 10:49:29] <creiht> Unfortunately I don't know enough about how it works to know how to do it
[05-Mar-2007 10:49:31] <PerlStalker> I can see a pretty stacked chart with the memory pieces with the threshold based on ... something
[05-Mar-2007 10:49:52] <rhester> creiht: I've tried, and you can - independently. There's no way to indicate you want to sum them.
[05-Mar-2007 10:50:38] <creiht> hmm... true
[05-Mar-2007 10:51:01] <creiht> Well... I'll leave it to the devs on the forum before I stick my foot in my mouth
[05-Mar-2007 11:06:45] <chet> It seems like there should be an additional CDEF "Source Type" for data sources.
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[05-Mar-2007 12:10:55] <monrad> anyone having problems with the deviceloader example in the wiki?
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[05-Mar-2007 12:46:06] <e\ectro_> PerlStalker: I'm with ya on the Perl, so much easier for me to code / read
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[05-Mar-2007 15:18:30] <DiggyJr> hello all. i've struggled a bit with zenoss. i seem to have it installed ok. i can reach the admin console fine.
[05-Mar-2007 15:18:51] <DiggyJr> seems now like i can't get zendisc to work.
[05-Mar-2007 15:20:32] <DiggyJr> when i try to start it, I get "sudo: /bin/python: command not found". huh. is this a permission issue (pthon is at /opt/zenoss/bin/pyhton)?
[05-Mar-2007 15:20:54] <chet> How are you starting it?
[05-Mar-2007 15:20:55] <DiggyJr> yeesh on the spelling :-)
[05-Mar-2007 15:21:26] <DiggyJr> starting it with "./zendisc start"
[05-Mar-2007 15:21:42] <chet> While running as the zenoss user?
[05-Mar-2007 15:21:50] <DiggyJr> no
[05-Mar-2007 15:21:57] <chet> Try that.. "sudo su - zenoss"
[05-Mar-2007 15:22:02] <chet> Then just "zendisc start"
[05-Mar-2007 15:22:22] <DiggyJr> that might account for it (he said sheepishly). i'll try it.
[05-Mar-2007 15:22:26] <chet> There are a lot of user specific environment variables that the zenoss scripts rely on.
[05-Mar-2007 15:23:58] <DiggyJr> ah.
[05-Mar-2007 15:24:20] <DiggyJr> well, of course, it's now working via user zenoss
[05-Mar-2007 15:24:44] <chet> You live and you learn.. it's a common mistake.
[05-Mar-2007 15:26:25] <DiggyJr> true. and, at times, i also tend to leap before i look. the solution can be right under my nose if i'd be just a bit more patient.
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[05-Mar-2007 15:37:54] <DiggyJr> during discovery, i get "INFO:zen.ZenDisc:ip '192.168.100.25' on device 'HP4200_1.headquarters.firstbhph.com' skipping". same for other printers and networking devices (routers, switches). why?
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[05-Mar-2007 15:51:13] <_chris_> hey oubiwann
[05-Mar-2007 15:51:24] <oubiwann> _chris_: hey man
[05-Mar-2007 15:51:54] <_chris_> hows it goin?
[05-Mar-2007 15:52:06] <oubiwann> pretty good
[05-Mar-2007 15:52:17] <oubiwann> getting back into the swing
[05-Mar-2007 15:52:26] <_chris_> swing and a miss! ;-)
[05-Mar-2007 15:52:59] <oubiwann> hehe
[05-Mar-2007 15:53:21] <oubiwann> it was almost a miss today... comcast decided to shit itself today
[05-Mar-2007 15:53:41] <oubiwann> I had no internets for the first half of the day
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[05-Mar-2007 16:05:18] <monrad> Type: TypeError
[05-Mar-2007 16:05:18] <monrad> Value: list objects are unhashable
[05-Mar-2007 16:05:23] <monrad> anyone seen that?
[05-Mar-2007 16:05:36] <monrad> its a class i cant do anything with
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[05-Mar-2007 18:54:47] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, you're still awake, thanks for pointer on friday about templates. I made one but I'm not getting this meta tag business, how do you get the template used by new devices ?
[05-Mar-2007 18:56:19] <Snake-Eyes> I made class called /Devices/Server/Linux/Debian/ssh and the template called ssh
[05-Mar-2007 18:56:42] <_chris_> ok
[05-Mar-2007 18:58:20] <Snake-Eyes> it keeps using template Device in class /Devices/Server
[05-Mar-2007 19:01:39] <_chris_> go to the Manage tab for the device you want to change to use the /Devices/Server/Linux/Debian/ssh configuration
[05-Mar-2007 19:01:53] <_chris_> then change the Device Class Path, and click Change. that should do the trick
[05-Mar-2007 19:02:49] <creiht> haha
[05-Mar-2007 19:02:52] <creiht> doh
[05-Mar-2007 19:02:56] <creiht> wrong window
[05-Mar-2007 19:03:08] <_chris_>
[05-Mar-2007 19:06:01] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, tried that before, and tried it again now. changing Device Class Path didnt stopit from using /Devices/Server (Device) template
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:10] <Snake-Eyes> RRDTemplate @ /Devices/Server
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:10] <_chris_> that's not right
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:12] <_chris_> if you're looking at a device, and you click on Manage
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:13] <Snake-Eyes> yea
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:20] <_chris_> and then you change the Device Class Path to something else
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:24] <_chris_> and then you go back to PerfConf
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:32] <_chris_> you should see it say RRDTemplate @ /Whatever/You/Chose
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:45] <_chris_> there isn't a "Remove Local" button next to that RRDTemplate text is there?
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:56] <_chris_> there should be a "Make Local" but not a "Remove Local"
[05-Mar-2007 19:08:30] <Snake-Eyes> theres make local
[05-Mar-2007 19:08:50] <Snake-Eyes> /Devices /Server /Linux /Debian /ssh /10.0.100.12
[05-Mar-2007 19:08:55] <_chris_> ya -
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:12] <_chris_> i would delete the device
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:13] <_chris_> and re-add it
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:18] <_chris_> you won't lose your performance data
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:21] <_chris_> and you won't lose your events
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:25] <Snake-Eyes> ok
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[05-Mar-2007 19:11:00] <Snake-Eyes> deleted it and made it again under ssh class and its still using device/server
[05-Mar-2007 19:12:09] <_chris_> can you send me some screenshots?
[05-Mar-2007 19:12:11] <_chris_> chris@zenoss.com
[05-Mar-2007 19:12:25] <Snake-Eyes> ok
[05-Mar-2007 19:14:19] <_chris_> i'm heading home for dinner
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[05-Mar-2007 20:13:26] <monrad> well we got a couple of python guys around so zenoss is nice
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[06-Mar-2007 00:07:23] <Snake-Eyes> ok now to rearrange the templates now that I've made sucha mess
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[06-Mar-2007 10:22:24] <ski98033> Hi, Is there any way to change the graphs to keep 1 minute averages instead of 5 minute averages?
[06-Mar-2007 10:25:19] <_chris_> do you want to change ALL your graphs to use 1 minute averages? or do you just want to change a few of them?
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[06-Mar-2007 10:34:26] <ski98033> all or just a few - whatever is easier. I am doing some quick testing and could not figure out where to make the change
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[06-Mar-2007 10:48:21] <chet> ski98033: I believe all you have to do is go to Monitors->YourPerfMonitor->Edit and set the SnmpCycleInterval to 60 seconds.
[06-Mar-2007 10:48:50] <ski98033> ok, I will try that out.
[06-Mar-2007 10:49:06] <chet> You'll then have to stop zenperfsnmp, delete all of the 5 minute RRD files from under perf/Devices and then restart zenperfsnmp
[06-Mar-2007 10:50:11] <ski98033> Thanks,
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[06-Mar-2007 11:27:03] <Feyr> i think that's wrong, you'll just update the 5 minutes average every 1 minute
[06-Mar-2007 11:27:14] <Feyr> you want to change your graph to use the OID for 1 minute average one
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[06-Mar-2007 11:28:06] <Xeonel> hello
[06-Mar-2007 11:28:44] <Xeonel> I've succesfully installed zenoss on ubuntu, but I can't get the ssh monitoring to work... it times out...
[06-Mar-2007 11:28:51] <chet> Feyr: I checked the zenpersnmp.py and RRDUtil.py code. It uses the cycle time as the step when creating the RRD archives.
[06-Mar-2007 11:29:08] <Feyr> yes, but you're still populating it with the 5 minute average data
[06-Mar-2007 11:29:13] <Xeonel> all the settings are made by following the manual... any hints? or at least... where can I look for more info? all I get is a timeout error
[06-Mar-2007 11:29:43] <chet> Feyr: There's no such thing as 5 minute specific data in MIB trees, Feyr.
[06-Mar-2007 11:30:21] <chet> Xeonel: Are you able to ssh from the zenoss account on your monitoring server to the target system?
[06-Mar-2007 11:30:48] <Xeonel> yes I am... that's why I don't understand the error
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:07] <Feyr> i think you better check your MIB again
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:17] <Feyr> 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.5.2
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:25] <Feyr> is the 5min average data, provided by the OS
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:34] <Feyr> you want 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.5.1 for 1min average
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:35] <ski98033> chet, the change to get 1 min readings worked great. thanks
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:54] <chet> Feyr: I don't mean to sound insulting, but I think maybe you misunderstand
[06-Mar-2007 11:32:13] <chet> That OID mentions 5 minutes, but it is of the GAUGE type, so it will be valid no matter how often you poll it.
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[06-Mar-2007 11:32:35] <Feyr> which is exactly my point
[06-Mar-2007 11:32:57] <Feyr> you're updating your rrd 5 times with the same data
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:09] <PerlStalker> Not quite, I think.
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:16] <Feyr> not quite, but not far
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:17] <chet> Feyr: Not true.. the 5 minute average can change every second if it wants.
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:32] <chet> Feyr: It is a rolling average
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:37] <Feyr> i understand that
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:50] <Feyr> the guy wants 1 minute averages, so he's got the wrong OID
[06-Mar-2007 11:34:57] <Feyr> what you're giving him is a 5 minute average, updated every 60 seconds
[06-Mar-2007 11:35:18] <chet> What makes you think ski98033 even cares about CPU? Perhaps he's looking at interface utilization or some other arbitrary OID.
[06-Mar-2007 11:35:45] <Feyr> what makes you think he's not looking at cpu?
[06-Mar-2007 11:35:57] <chet> On top of that, a 5 minute average updated every 60 seconds still has a 5x greater resolution than a 5 minute average updated every 5 minutes.
[06-Mar-2007 11:36:12] <Feyr> sure, but it's not what he asked for
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:13] <chet> He was speaking of the RRD AVERAGE consolidation function, not load average.
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:19] <chet> Of course I'm assuming this..
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:25] <chet> Just like you're assuming the opposite.
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:33] <chet> Let's just agree that I'm right. =}
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:54] <Feyr> lets just agree that we dont have enough data to say who is right or wrong
[06-Mar-2007 11:38:05] <chet> Can we at least place a bet?
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[06-Mar-2007 11:39:25] <Feyr> alright
[06-Mar-2007 11:40:00] <chet> fine
[06-Mar-2007 11:40:15] <Feyr> ski98033, help us out here. what are you graphing with those 1mins averages?
[06-Mar-2007 11:40:35] <chet> Feyr: If you look back he said that my solution worked.
[06-Mar-2007 11:41:12] <Feyr> he must have a really good eye, because i have a hard time differentiating 1min vs 5min numbers just by eyeballing them
[06-Mar-2007 11:41:37] <chet> Ok, now you're just screwing with me. =}
[06-Mar-2007 11:45:01] <Xeonel> chet: http://pastebin.com/894691 for the actual output when trying to collect some data
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[06-Mar-2007 11:47:55] <chet> I'm having trouble loading that, Xeonel.
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:05] <_chris_> i hate how slow pastebin has become.
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:18] <Xeonel> hrm... any pastebin alternative?
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:30] <InAcrash> hello all
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:36] <chet> Hi InAcrash
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:50] <InAcrash> I'm having trouble receiving alerts...
[06-Mar-2007 11:49:09] <InAcrash> I've configured the smtp settings and receive the test just fine.
[06-Mar-2007 11:49:17] <chet> InAcrash: Have you looked in zenactions.log yet?
[06-Mar-2007 11:49:46] <InAcrash> I haven't, where can I find that?
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:08] <chet> in $ZENHOME/log
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:43] <Xeonel> chet: try this one http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4509
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:43] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:43] <Xeonel> should be faster...
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:53] <chet> Xeonel: much
[06-Mar-2007 11:51:42] <chet> Xeonel: Can you see the attempted connections in the logs of the target system?
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:04] <chet> Xeonel: Maybe check tcpdump/wireshark to see if it's really trying to connect over ssh?
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:05] <InAcrash> chet: what am I looking for in the log?
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:15] <Xeonel> yes... I'm getting something
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:34] <Xeonel> I'll try a tcpdump right now...
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:36] <chet> InAcrash: processed # rules and processed # commands
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:40] <chet> InAcrash: What are those #s?
[06-Mar-2007 11:53:00] <InAcrash> i dont know how to access $ZENHOME/log...
[06-Mar-2007 11:53:19] <InAcrash> im logged in as root, but how to get there im lost
[06-Mar-2007 11:53:27] <chet> InAcrash: su - zenoss
[06-Mar-2007 11:53:55] <chet> InAcrash: tail $ZENHOME/log/zenactions.log
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:03] <InAcrash> invalid option
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:22] <_chris_> InAcrash: echo $ZENHOME
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:23] <_chris_> what do you get?
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:24] <Xeonel> well... tcpdump reveals that communication does take place... but I don't have enough info to debug and see why it times out
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:52] <Xeonel> how does zenmodeler call the ssh client?
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:53] <chet> Xeonel: You get a SYN and SYN/ACK?
[06-Mar-2007 11:56:17] <Xeonel> chet: yes... I see the connection is established
[06-Mar-2007 11:56:49] <chet> Xeonel: It actually uses the twisted conch ssh client..
[06-Mar-2007 11:57:19] <chet> Xeonel: Are you using password authentication or public key?
[06-Mar-2007 11:57:31] <InAcrash> chet: 0 proccessed commands, 0 processed rules
[06-Mar-2007 11:57:52] <Xeonel> chet: passwor auth
[06-Mar-2007 11:57:53] <chet> InAcrash: Run "zenactions restart"
[06-Mar-2007 11:58:02] <chet> InAcrash: It's possible that it hasn't loaded your rules yet.
[06-Mar-2007 11:58:15] <chet> InAcrash: Another thing to verify is that your alerting rule has Enabled set to true.
[06-Mar-2007 11:58:25] <Xeonel> chet: even ran zenmodeler by hand... with proper params and the output was the same
[06-Mar-2007 11:59:22] <InAcrash> chet: all are set to true, restarted, and same results for 0 of commands and rules
[06-Mar-2007 11:59:22] <chet> Xeonel: I've never tried the password authentication. Would it be possible for you to try public key to see if it worked?
[06-Mar-2007 12:00:00] <_chris_> chet: SnakeEyes also had problems with the password authentication. the public key auth worked for him.
[06-Mar-2007 12:00:16] <_chris_> in version 1.2 i believe the passphrase enabled public key auth method works.
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[06-Mar-2007 12:00:54] <chet> InAcrash: What version are you running? I think there was a related bug in zenactions recently.
[06-Mar-2007 12:01:03] <chet> InAcrash: You should upgrade to 1.1 if you aren't already there.
[06-Mar-2007 12:01:28] <InAcrash> Zenoss 1.1.1
[06-Mar-2007 12:02:06] <chet> InAcrash: Something is definitely screwy.
[06-Mar-2007 12:02:27] <chet> InAcrash: Stop zenactions, delete all of your alerting rules, create a single simple one then start zenactions.
[06-Mar-2007 12:04:08] <InAcrash> simple one being the defaults?
[06-Mar-2007 12:04:41] <chet> yeah, that'll work.. except it should obviously be enabled.
[06-Mar-2007 12:04:58] <InAcrash> right, will do... one sec
[06-Mar-2007 12:08:53] <InAcrash> worked, thank you much
[06-Mar-2007 12:09:13] <chet> InAcrash: Had you upgraded from a previous version, or was 1.1.1 a fresh install?
[06-Mar-2007 12:11:45] <InAcrash> fresh install
[06-Mar-2007 12:12:00] <chet> strange.
[06-Mar-2007 12:12:29] <InAcrash> yeah, it's working now... so no complaints, ;-) i appreciate your time, thank you
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[06-Mar-2007 12:19:36] <Xeonel> chet: ok... I've configured the public key and checked the config... it works. What should I change in zProperties now?
[06-Mar-2007 12:20:01] <chet> You can delete the password.. everything else is the same.
[06-Mar-2007 12:20:45] <Xeonel> ah... ok
[06-Mar-2007 12:21:27] <chet> Public key authentication should probably be preferred anyway. You can use the command= directive in your authorized_keys file to limit the zenoss user to specific commands.
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[06-Mar-2007 12:25:24] <Xeonel> well... no luck. Same timeout error...
[06-Mar-2007 12:25:48] <Xeonel> is there any way to debugg it? like using ssh -v somehow and see what's wrong?
[06-Mar-2007 12:26:58] <Xeonel> also... there's no entry in auth.log when I try to collect data... but when I use ssh to test the public key setup... the connection is logged to auth.log
[06-Mar-2007 12:27:07] <chet> Not as far as I can tell from looking at the responsible code. You might be able to go about it the opposite way.
[06-Mar-2007 12:27:21] <Xeonel> the opposite way?
[06-Mar-2007 12:27:22] <chet> Shutdown SSHD on the target system and start it up in foreground debug mode..
[06-Mar-2007 12:28:10] <InAcrash> chet: when receiving alerts i have links to event detail, however, how can I change it from targeting to localhost.localdomain:8080
[06-Mar-2007 12:29:15] <chet> InAcrash: Edit $ZENHOME/etc/zenactions.conf
[06-Mar-2007 12:29:47] <chet> InAcrash: zopeurl http://zenoss.your.domain:8080
[06-Mar-2007 12:29:59] <InAcrash> thanks
[06-Mar-2007 12:30:20] <chet> InAcrash: In the same file you can specify the sender address for the emails if need be..
[06-Mar-2007 12:30:30] <chet> InAcrash: fromaddr you@your.domain
[06-Mar-2007 12:30:51] <chet> Of course zenactions needs to be restarted after these changes are made.
[06-Mar-2007 12:32:09] <Xeonel> chet: well I've got something... it seems that zenoss is using a diffrent client... a python client from what I see
[06-Mar-2007 12:38:42] <chet> yeah, that's true.. the conch client that's part of twisted.. http://twistedmatrix.com/projects/conch/
[06-Mar-2007 12:38:42] <adytum-bot> Title: Conch (at twistedmatrix.com)
[06-Mar-2007 12:42:50] <Xeonel> maybe you've got some ideeas... http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4511 : local ssh client vs twisted logged on the remote server
[06-Mar-2007 12:42:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[06-Mar-2007 12:44:17] <chet> Interesting! I'm beginning to think this conch method is new and maybe they used openssh back when I tried it. Let me try a few things..
[06-Mar-2007 12:46:24] <Xeonel> chet: it would help me alot if I knew how exactly does the zenoss server calls this twisted ssh client...
[06-Mar-2007 12:46:49] <chet> check out $ZENHOME/Products/DataCollector/SshClient.py
[06-Mar-2007 12:46:58] <chet> Although it isn't really that helpful.
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[06-Mar-2007 12:51:34] <PerlStalker> Are there any docs for writing DataCollectors?
[06-Mar-2007 12:51:46] <PerlStalker> The page on the wiki only has "In progress"
[06-Mar-2007 12:54:31] <Xeonel> seems to me like a dead end... I can't seem to be making any progress debugging this out...
[06-Mar-2007 12:54:40] <chet> Xeonel: Not a dead end.. I'm working it out.
[06-Mar-2007 12:54:53] <Xeonel> ah... thanks then
[06-Mar-2007 12:58:00] <PerlStalker> Maybe someone can help be troubleshoot this.
[06-Mar-2007 12:58:43] <PerlStalker> I'm trying to use snmpGetTableMaps = GetTableMap(...) like InterfacesMap does.
[06-Mar-2007 12:59:34] <PerlStalker> But ... hang on. It seems the typo monster has been rampaging through my code.
[06-Mar-2007 13:01:27] <PerlStalker> Stupid computers doing what I say and not what I mean.
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[06-Mar-2007 13:06:24] <loflika> Greetings
[06-Mar-2007 13:13:35] <PerlStalker> How are RRDTemplates matched with devices? I thought it was based off of the device class.
[06-Mar-2007 13:13:45] <_chris__> PerlStalker: it is.
[06-Mar-2007 13:15:17] <PerlStalker> The shouldn't a device in a custom class /Device/Network/AP/Trango show (in PerfConf) something like RRDTemplate @ /Device/Network/AP/...
[06-Mar-2007 13:18:38] <_chris__> PerlStalker: it should, unless you have not added or changed of the perfconf at /Network/AP/Trango level. if it's the same as /Network/AP then you'll just see RRDTemplate @/Network/AP
[06-Mar-2007 13:18:50] <PerlStalker> I have changed it there.
[06-Mar-2007 13:19:14] <PerlStalker> I added a custom thing to graph the performance data.
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[06-Mar-2007 13:30:28] <Xeonel> chet: any luck yet?
[06-Mar-2007 13:31:07] <PerlStalker> _chris__: Would that mapping happen right away or does it happen after the performance collection has run?
[06-Mar-2007 13:31:27] <_chris__> the new graph should appear right away
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[06-Mar-2007 13:33:53] <PerlStalker> Perhaps I need to be trying to figure out why the templates are not being applied.
[06-Mar-2007 13:35:27] <PerlStalker> Even if my thing isn't being used, shouldn't /Device/Network be used?
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[06-Mar-2007 13:56:23] <chet> Xeonel: Still around?
[06-Mar-2007 13:59:54] <Xeonel> yep
[06-Mar-2007 13:59:58] <Xeonel> shoot
[06-Mar-2007 14:00:36] <chet> Xeonel: I got this working in my setup after resolving one *shoulda been* obvious mistake.
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:00] <Xeonel> and? what was that obvious mistak?
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:03] <chet> I'm using RSA keys, so I had to change the zKeyPath to ~/.ssh/id_rsa
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:12] <Xeonel> did that... no avail
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:13] <Xeonel>
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:41] <chet> The only difference I see between our setups is that I'm not using OpenSSH's PAM integration.
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:47] <Xeonel> what's the ssh service?
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:52] <Xeonel> err... ssh version
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:56] <chet> OpenSSH4.1p1
[06-Mar-2007 14:02:31] <Xeonel> well... I'm using OpenSSH_4.3p2... but I don't think that's a problem...
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[06-Mar-2007 14:04:14] <Xeonel> ok... I've just disabled pam... I'll give it another shot
[06-Mar-2007 14:04:14] <chet> Try this: zenmodeler run -v 10 -d your.device
[06-Mar-2007 14:04:19] <chet> ok
[06-Mar-2007 14:06:33] <chet> BTW, I looked up that "no match" debug message in the OpenSSH source. All it means that no special compatibility options need to be turned on for that client.
[06-Mar-2007 14:07:05] <chet> It actually returns a 0 to the caller for the "OpenSSH*" pattern and the "no match"
[06-Mar-2007 14:07:13] <chet> So there's no difference at all.
[06-Mar-2007 14:08:07] <Xeonel> ah... I see
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[06-Mar-2007 14:32:48] <Xeonel> that's strange... zenmodeler runs fine... but when I call it from the web frontend... same error
[06-Mar-2007 14:32:51] <Xeonel> I don't get it
[06-Mar-2007 14:41:46] <chet> You launched zope from the same user that you're launching zenmodeler, right?
[06-Mar-2007 14:46:50] <Xeonel> hrm... I'm using the init script provided by the zenoss install process.. but I'll check the processes
[06-Mar-2007 14:47:49] <Xeonel> yes... only zenping, zensyslog and zentrap are started as root
[06-Mar-2007 14:49:20] <chet> That's odd.. maybe SELinux? Are you running it?
[06-Mar-2007 14:49:38] <Xeonel> nope
[06-Mar-2007 14:49:46] <Xeonel> I'll try restarting zenoss
[06-Mar-2007 14:49:59] <Xeonel> because now the timeout is almost instant
[06-Mar-2007 15:03:36] <Xeonel> hrm... python's taking around 70-90% cpu... and I'm running on a dual Xeon 2.4GHz
[06-Mar-2007 15:04:04] <Xeonel> actually... python2.4 is eating that much...
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[06-Mar-2007 15:32:52] <chet> Xeonel: Which one of the python processes is it? Cross reference the PID to ps ax..
[06-Mar-2007 15:33:25] <chet> zenmodeler is known to be very CPU heavy, but by default only runs every 12 hours.
[06-Mar-2007 15:33:36] <chet> It would probably be running since you just restarted the whole batch.
[06-Mar-2007 15:34:10] <chet> If you're worried about the CPU utilization you can limit the number of parallel jobs it runs.
[06-Mar-2007 15:34:21] <Xeonel> well... seems to be zope
[06-Mar-2007 15:35:38] <Xeonel> how can I start with a fresh config? without reinstalling? I thing something got fu%$ed up
[06-Mar-2007 15:37:57] <chet> If you installed from RPM, I'm not sure.
[06-Mar-2007 15:38:09] <chet> If you installed from source/SVN I have an idea.
[06-Mar-2007 15:38:25] <Xeonel> source install
[06-Mar-2007 15:40:17] <chet> stop all the zenoss processes, drop the mysql database, delete everything from $ZENHOME/var
[06-Mar-2007 15:40:28] <chet> Then run the install from the zenossinst directory again.
[06-Mar-2007 15:41:14] <Xeonel> you mean from the source dir... right?
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[06-Mar-2007 16:12:06] <PerlStalker> Oh, this is fun. I can't delete a device.
[06-Mar-2007 16:12:22] <PerlStalker> I get this error: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'deleteDevice'
[06-Mar-2007 16:14:37] <PerlStalker> How do I get this thing out of the database?
[06-Mar-2007 16:16:25] <PerlStalker> Odd. It's gone now. What the heck?
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[06-Mar-2007 16:50:19] <PerlStalker> What's the difference between Products/SnmpCollector/CustomMaps/InterfaceMap.py and Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/InterfaceMap.py?
[06-Mar-2007 17:25:53] <cote> Any chance of getting some help debugging a failed build/install on OS X?
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[06-Mar-2007 17:44:46] <brozow> w00t
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[06-Mar-2007 18:14:15] <kripton1x> exit
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[06-Mar-2007 18:20:35] <_chris__> cote: are you running a macbook or a PPC?
[06-Mar-2007 18:20:49] <_chris__> cote: and what's the error you're getting?
[06-Mar-2007 18:20:58] <cote> _chris__: PPC
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:16] <cote> I get this:
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:18] <cote> gcc -g -O2 -o check_mysql check_mysql-check_mysql.o netutils.o utils.o -L/Users/zenoss/zenoss/zenoss-1.1.1/build/nagios-plugins-1.4.5/plugins ../lib/libnagiosplug.a ../lib/libcoreutils.a -lresolv -L/usr/local/mysql/lib -lmysqlclient -lz -lm -ldl -lssl -lcrypto
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:18] <cote> ld: Undefined symbols:
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:19] <cote> _fprintf$LDBLStub
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:19] <cote> _sprintf$LDBLStub
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:20] <cote> _printf$LDBLStub
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:21] <cote> _vsprintf$LDBLStub
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:23] <cote> make[2]: *** [check_mysql] Error 1
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:25] <cote> make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:32] <cote> (Sorry for the cut-paste blob.)
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:38] <_chris__> this is for the nagios plugins
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:45] <_chris__> are you planning on using them?
[06-Mar-2007 18:22:25] <cote> Sure, but I don't have to. I'm just playing around with it so nagios isn't critical.
[06-Mar-2007 18:22:39] <_chris__> gotcha.
[06-Mar-2007 18:22:40] <_chris__> well
[06-Mar-2007 18:22:57] <_chris__> there's a whole bunch of capability within zenoss that doesn't require the nagios-plugins
[06-Mar-2007 18:23:08] <_chris__> so we could try to fix the nagios-plugins compile problem
[06-Mar-2007 18:23:18] <_chris__> or we could just comment out that line in the GNUmakefile, and move on
[06-Mar-2007 18:23:55] <cote> I'm happy to comment out the line.
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:07] <_chris__> if you're not planning on using them (for now) i'd edit the GNUmakefile, and find the line that says products-install:
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:14] <_chris__> then go to the line that says nagios-install below it
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:16] <_chris__> and delete it
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:17] <cote> I'll imagine the bountiful coolness that nagios would bring
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:22] <_chris__> that'll get you past nagios-plugins
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:23] <cote> OK, I'll try that.
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:31] <cote> Thanks a million, _chris__!
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[06-Mar-2007 18:29:47] <_chris__> no problem cote. i'm heading home for the evening... i'll ttyl
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[07-Mar-2007 10:35:15] <PerlStalker> I just don't get this. Why doesn't zenoss apply my custom RRD template when I set the device class?
[07-Mar-2007 10:36:53] <PerlStalker> Writing a new DataCollector shouldn't be this hard.
[07-Mar-2007 10:38:52] <monrad> PerlStalker: what are your trying to do?
[07-Mar-2007 10:39:33] <PerlStalker> I'm trying to collect SU performance from a Trango AP via SNMP
[07-Mar-2007 10:39:43] <monrad> SU?
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:00] <PerlStalker> SU => Subscriber Unit. The customer's end
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:05] <monrad> ah ok
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:27] <monrad> i have not played around with that part yet
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:38] <monrad> but i look forward to play around with zenpacks
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:43] <PerlStalker> Anyway, Trango set their stuff up so that you have to talk to the AP to get SU data.
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:56] <PerlStalker> I wish I could find complete docs on writing the stupid things.
[07-Mar-2007 10:41:17] <monrad> docs i think is zenoss weakest point right now
[07-Mar-2007 10:41:25] <PerlStalker> No kidding.
[07-Mar-2007 10:41:58] <PerlStalker> I was able to the app setup fairly quickly but this is just nuts.
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[07-Mar-2007 11:37:10] <jp10558> I'm having a problem with getting graphs to show up for my Linux, Windows and VMS machines. Actually, the only machine that pref shows graphs for is localhost. I am using the VMWare appliance with NAT. I can see uptime and other info, but I get errors about bad OID, and no performance graphs show up. Any ideas about how I'd fix the bad OID error?
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[07-Mar-2007 12:26:45] <PerlStalker> Is there anything magical about the interfaces or routes section of the 'os' page?
[07-Mar-2007 12:26:50] <PerlStalker> Can I add other sections to that?
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[07-Mar-2007 13:04:33] <jp10558> How do you add new graphs?
[07-Mar-2007 13:04:52] <jp10558> How do you know what you can monitor for a specific device?
[07-Mar-2007 13:29:48] <PerlStalker> jp10558: If it uses SNMP, you can read the MIB for the device.
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[07-Mar-2007 13:33:52] <jp10558> Where do I get MIBs, say for Linux or Windows?
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[07-Mar-2007 14:14:45] <jp10558> Should anything out of the box do graphs in Zenoss VMWare Appliance except for the system itself?
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[07-Mar-2007 14:18:42] <Zak_P> Can some one help me diagnose an issue with ver1.1.1 and a cisco caztalyst 6505e
[07-Mar-2007 14:18:52] <Zak_P> i am not able to get SNMP data from it with zenoss
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:00] <Zak_P> but i can get data from the command line
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:12] <Zak_P> this works like a champ
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:12] <Zak_P> snmpwalk -c public -v 1 host.foo IF-MIB::ifType
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:26] <Zak_P> but when ever i gather configuration i get a time out
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:56] <Zak_P> client host.foo timeout
[07-Mar-2007 14:20:31] <chet> Is Zenoss also using v1 and the public community?
[07-Mar-2007 14:20:53] <Zak_P> yes i have 8 switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:20:56] <Zak_P> 4 of them work
[07-Mar-2007 14:20:59] <Zak_P> and 4 of them dont
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:12] <Zak_P> 2 of them are edge routers
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:36] <Zak_P> the 4 that work are distribution switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:45] <Zak_P> and the 4 that do not are aggregate switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:46] <chet> Do the management IPs in Zenoss match the IPs you're polling from the command line?
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:51] <Zak_P> yes
[07-Mar-2007 14:22:27] <Zak_P> I also have cacti set up on the same machine (currently not polling) and it can gather data from all 8 switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:22:39] <Zak_P> so i am not sure why zenoss cant
[07-Mar-2007 14:24:02] <chet> It does sound strange. Have you watched in tcpdump/wireshark to see what packets are being sent/received to these systems?
[07-Mar-2007 14:24:20] <Zak_P> no, i have not set up a packet capture yet
[07-Mar-2007 14:24:41] <chet> It might also help to run a "zenmodeler run -v 10 -d your.aggr.switch"
[07-Mar-2007 14:26:14] <chet> If SNMP packets are flying back and forth during the modeling you might want to increase the zSnmpTimeout or lower the zMaxOIDPerRequest.
[07-Mar-2007 14:27:41] <Zak_P> what would be a good number for zMaxOIDPerRequest
[07-Mar-2007 14:27:43] <Zak_P> it is 40 now
[07-Mar-2007 14:28:04] <chet> 40 is normally a good number. I've honestly only heard of problems on older PIX.
[07-Mar-2007 14:28:19] <Zak_P> ok
[07-Mar-2007 14:28:31] <chet> Something as smoking as a 6506 really shouldn't be a problem.
[07-Mar-2007 14:29:40] <Zak_P> heh works perfectly on the 7500 series
[07-Mar-2007 14:29:43] <Zak_P> ;/
[07-Mar-2007 14:31:09] <chet> Cisco stuff usually works very well with Zenoss.. I have hundreds of EOL devices being monitored and haven't run into a snag yet.
[07-Mar-2007 14:31:31] <Zak_P> it works so perfect for the switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:31:35] <Zak_P> just hacing issues on the routers
[07-Mar-2007 14:31:41] <Zak_P> *having
[07-Mar-2007 14:32:14] <chet> v2c works from the command line too, right? If so, you might want to use it in Zenoss.
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[07-Mar-2007 14:32:38] <Zak_P> yeah
[07-Mar-2007 14:32:41] <Zak_P> i can try to change it
[07-Mar-2007 14:34:15] <Zak_P> http://pastebin.ca/385288
[07-Mar-2007 14:34:15] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Miscellany - post number 385288 (at pastebin.ca)
[07-Mar-2007 14:34:15] <Zak_P> this is the debug that i see
[07-Mar-2007 14:35:02] <Zak_P> also a time out on v2c
[07-Mar-2007 14:35:14] <Zak_P> shoiuld i not have posted that link?
[07-Mar-2007 14:38:51] <jp10558> Anyone know why with a SL4 (slightly modified RHEL4) box I'd get OID 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.4.14.0 is bad messages when I specify it is /server/linux/redhat?
[07-Mar-2007 14:39:39] <Zak_P> here is the debug i get when i do a zenperfsnmp
[07-Mar-2007 14:39:48] <Zak_P> http://pastebin.ca/385296
[07-Mar-2007 14:39:48] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Stuff - post number 385296 (at pastebin.ca)
[07-Mar-2007 14:40:39] <Zak_P> LOL it is not working because the device cant be pinged
[07-Mar-2007 14:41:11] <Zak_P> if the device cant be pinged then it looks like zenoss wont poll it
[07-Mar-2007 14:41:19] <Zak_P> the switches are pingable
[07-Mar-2007 14:41:27] <Zak_P> but the routers are not
[07-Mar-2007 14:45:02] <Zak_P> DOH!
[07-Mar-2007 14:45:08] <Zak_P> sorry to waste your time
[07-Mar-2007 14:45:20] <Zak_P> i think that once i allow ICMP it will work
[07-Mar-2007 14:45:36] <chet> No waste.. I didn't realize ICMP reachability was required.
[07-Mar-2007 14:47:27] <Zak_P> it looks to me like it is that is the only difference between them
[07-Mar-2007 14:47:51] <Zak_P> it says it in the debug
[07-Mar-2007 14:47:51] <Zak_P> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:getting device ping issues INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:Unresponsive devices: [['host.foo', 1, 73]] INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:collected 0 of 0 devices in 0.00
[07-Mar-2007 14:48:42] <chet> jp10558: Is that the only bad OID, or are there others too?
[07-Mar-2007 14:49:53] <jp10558> There are others
[07-Mar-2007 14:50:05] <jp10558> basically, I get that error for every device but the virtual host
[07-Mar-2007 14:50:22] <jp10558> I've tried Linux, WindowsXP with informant, VMS, Cisco...
[07-Mar-2007 14:50:38] <jp10558> they all show some data, but all give various bad OID errors
[07-Mar-2007 14:50:47] <jp10558> this is on the VWMare Appliance
[07-Mar-2007 14:52:59] <chet> jp10558: I would guess that the systems you are trying to monitor have restrictions in their snmpd.conf files.
[07-Mar-2007 14:53:17] <chet> jp10558: You should allow the zenoss server full access to the MIB.
[07-Mar-2007 14:54:07] <jp10558> Not clear how I would do this?
[07-Mar-2007 14:54:09] <chet> You could test this by backing up your snmpd.conf file on one of the target systems and creating a new one that has only the line "rocommunity public" in it then restarting the snmpd service.
[07-Mar-2007 14:54:26] <chet> Then go to the manage tab of the device and re-collect its configuration.
[07-Mar-2007 14:54:43] <chet> Move those bad OID events into history and then wait to see if they come back.
[07-Mar-2007 14:55:33] <jp10558> where would the snmpd.conf file be on Windows XP with informant?
[07-Mar-2007 14:56:23] <chet> jp10558: I thought you said this was a SL4 system.
[07-Mar-2007 14:56:37] <jp10558> I tried with several systems
[07-Mar-2007 14:56:56] <jp10558> I can edit configs on Windows systems
[07-Mar-2007 14:56:58] <chet> The OID you mentioned is only applicable to *nix systems.
[07-Mar-2007 14:57:16] <jp10558> right, the point I was making is all of them give similar errors
[07-Mar-2007 14:58:03] <chet> Would you give me an example of one of the errors you're experiencing with the Windows XP system?
[07-Mar-2007 14:58:05] <jp10558> On windows I get errors like 1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.10.0 is bad
[07-Mar-2007 14:59:02] <chet> thanks.
[07-Mar-2007 14:59:15] <chet> Did you restart the SNMP service on that system after installing the Informant extension?
[07-Mar-2007 14:59:47] <jp10558> I don't remember, but I'll restart it now - do I understand that nothing will come from windows hosts without informant?
[07-Mar-2007 15:00:34] <chet> I think that the device will still be modeled, you just won't get any graphs. I highly recommend installing informant.
[07-Mar-2007 15:00:48] <jp10558> right, I'm trying to get graphs
[07-Mar-2007 15:01:17] <jp10558> So, linux would be permissions set in snmpd.conf as the reason I can't see anything on the graphs?
[07-Mar-2007 15:01:47] <chet> I think so. That particular OID is definitely available on SL4 systems.
[07-Mar-2007 15:02:07] <jp10558> Do I need to find MIBs for things?
[07-Mar-2007 15:02:19] <chet> nope
[07-Mar-2007 15:03:14] <jp10558> I've got one question - maybe you know. Is Zenoss something that could replace HP Top Tools? Does it provide any real-time info like TopTools did if requested?
[07-Mar-2007 15:03:14] <chet> The only thing zenoss uses them for is to map snmp traps to their names. They're not necessary in the least, and zenoss comes with most of the common ones pre-installed.
[07-Mar-2007 15:04:30] <chet> I'm not familiar with TopTools. What do you mean by real-time info?
[07-Mar-2007 15:05:17] <jp10558> In TopTools, we could input/select a machine - say PC100 or whatever, and request it tell us the current memory use and CPU use
[07-Mar-2007 15:05:21] <chet> All of the data displayed by zenoss will be delayed anywhere from 0-5 minutes since it only polls every 5 minutes.
[07-Mar-2007 15:06:33] <chet> There is a mechanism in zenoss to run user-specified commands on the target system. You could set one up to run a "top" command on the remote system and show you the results. This would be real-time.
[07-Mar-2007 15:08:45] <jp10558> Zenoss also for some reason IDs WinXP SP2 as Windows 2000 version 5.1
[07-Mar-2007 15:13:17] <chet> Believe it or not, this is what Windows XP reports itself as through SNMP.
[07-Mar-2007 15:13:31] <jp10558> oh
[07-Mar-2007 15:14:02] <jp10558> do you know where snmpd.conf normally is on RH based linuxes?
[07-Mar-2007 15:14:15] <chet> In /etc/snmp
[07-Mar-2007 15:16:14] <jp10558> would a trapcommunity and trapsink be what I should tell Zenoss to connect as?
[07-Mar-2007 15:16:24] <jp10558> otherwise it looks like read access is there for public ...
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[07-Mar-2007 15:27:24] <PerlStalker> Does 1.1 support ZenPacks?
[07-Mar-2007 15:38:30] <PerlStalker> Apparently not since the 'zenpack' tool doesn't exit
[07-Mar-2007 15:43:51] <jp10558> I think it's aimed for 1.2
[07-Mar-2007 15:44:11] <PerlStalker> Ok
[07-Mar-2007 15:44:32] <PerlStalker> I try plan B. :-)
[07-Mar-2007 15:45:13] <Zak_P> chet: enabling ICMP was the solution
[07-Mar-2007 15:45:21] <chet> nice.
[07-Mar-2007 15:45:24] <jp10558> So, I restarted SNMP service on WinXP, I waited some time
[07-Mar-2007 15:45:32] <jp10558> still no graphs... nothing
[07-Mar-2007 15:46:19] <jp10558> Counts for windows error went up to 12, so I guess it got the error again
[07-Mar-2007 15:46:49] <jp10558> chet: any other ideas?
[07-Mar-2007 15:47:53] <jp10558> This wouldn't be a problem with NAT would it?
[07-Mar-2007 15:48:24] <chet> Any problem caused by NAT should create a totally different error.
[07-Mar-2007 15:48:38] <chet> Move those events into history to be sure that you're really still getting new ones.
[07-Mar-2007 15:48:42] <chet> Restart zenperfsnmp
[07-Mar-2007 15:49:46] <chet> I've never monitored a Windows XP system, so I suppose it's possible that they don't have that OID. Can anyone else here comment on that?
[07-Mar-2007 15:50:25] <chet> Is anyone on here monitoring a Windows XP SP2 system with SNMP-Informant installed?
[07-Mar-2007 15:50:35] <jp10558> Ok, so what I got now was:
[07-Mar-2007 15:50:58] <jp10558> 2007-03-07 15:45:42 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error collecting data on __, recollecting
[07-Mar-2007 15:51:15] <jp10558> that was repeated for 4 machines
[07-Mar-2007 15:51:34] <jp10558> only one was Windows
[07-Mar-2007 15:52:28] <jp10558> Then for each, there were several different OID is bad errors, one for each graph there was supposed to be
[07-Mar-2007 15:53:23] <chet> Are you able to poll these OIDs from the command line?
[07-Mar-2007 15:53:53] <jp10558> no idea - how do I do that?
[07-Mar-2007 15:56:22] <chet> snmpget -v1 -c yourcommunity yourhost .theOID
[07-Mar-2007 15:58:09] <jp10558> apparently not - I get an error there too - no such variable name in this MIB
[07-Mar-2007 15:58:29] <jp10558> so I need to find a different MIB then? Or get a different OID?
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[07-Mar-2007 16:20:23] <Rainhead> hi, all
[07-Mar-2007 16:21:13] <Rainhead> on a new install, when I run $ZENHOME/bin/zenping start, I get: ImportError: No module named ZenEvents.ZenEventClasses
[07-Mar-2007 16:21:31] <Rainhead> $PYTHONPATH is set to $ZENHOME/lib/python
[07-Mar-2007 16:32:39] <chet> Rainhead: It sounds like something is wrong with your environment. Are you doing this as the zenoss user?
[07-Mar-2007 16:35:41] <Rainhead> yes
[07-Mar-2007 16:38:25] <Rainhead> also, I had a problem with the install script assuming that python/site-packages would be under $ZENHOME/lib, which was wrong in my case
[07-Mar-2007 16:38:45] <Rainhead> specifically, when it was trying to move rrdtoolmodule.so
[07-Mar-2007 16:39:23] <Rainhead> I removed lib and lib64, remade lib64, and made lib a symlink to lib64, and it worked
[07-Mar-2007 16:40:11] <Rainhead> that is, a new install worked
[07-Mar-2007 16:41:17] <Rainhead> also, as someone complained of before, INSTALL.txt tells you to 'configure the username and password for zenperfsnmp', but I can't find anything that describes the format of that file
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[07-Mar-2007 17:06:41] <Rainhead> output from zenping run, whith a dump of sys.path, is here: http://pastie.caboo.se/45453
[07-Mar-2007 17:06:41] <adytum-bot> Title: #45453 - Pastie (at pastie.caboo.se)
[07-Mar-2007 17:07:36] <Rainhead> I'll probably try zenoss again when it's had some more time to mature
[07-Mar-2007 17:07:52] <Rainhead> and perhaps become more standardized
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[07-Mar-2007 17:38:25] <oubiwann> Rainhead: thanks for the input... passing this on to the rest of the developers now
[07-Mar-2007 17:40:21] <oubiwann> doh. guess he left already
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[07-Mar-2007 18:28:29] <Rainhead> ok, I've tracked down the problem
[07-Mar-2007 18:28:48] <Rainhead> it's looking in lib/python/Products, but the modules it wants are in ~/Products
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[07-Mar-2007 18:35:34] <Rainhead> I ran this and everything's peachy now:
[07-Mar-2007 18:35:55] <Rainhead> cd lib/python/Products; for i in ~/Products/*(/); do ln -s $i; done
[07-Mar-2007 18:36:06] <Rainhead> so's y'all know
[07-Mar-2007 18:36:20] <Rainhead> case'n ye wake up some day
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[07-Mar-2007 19:10:13] <oubiwann> man, I wish Rainhead would quit disappearing... sounds like there's something seriously wrong with his environment or install...
[07-Mar-2007 19:10:35] <oubiwann> what he did can lead to badness
[07-Mar-2007 19:10:49] * oubiwann wanders off to get some food
[07-Mar-2007 19:18:01] <Snake-Eyes> what i would like to know is why ssh login for zenoss fails, its seems zenoss/twisted sends a malformed ssh packet during nego.
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[07-Mar-2007 19:51:06] <Snake-Eyes> does the whole command over ssh work for any one when a password is used and not blank passphrase key
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[08-Mar-2007 09:08:26] <jp10558> I'm trying again to get SNMP Informant on Windows XP SP2 to work with the graphing in Zenoss VMWare Appliance
[08-Mar-2007 09:09:10] <jp10558> It seems like if I put the device into the /Server/Windows where it says requires informant, it should "just work" right?
[08-Mar-2007 09:09:33] <jp10558> I've restarted the SNMP service in windows... but I still don't get any graphs
[08-Mar-2007 09:09:46] <jp10558> Do I need to import some MIBS, and if so - how should I do that in the Appliance?
[08-Mar-2007 09:12:36] <chet> jp10558: I'm loading SNMP on my XP SP2 laptop to see if I can give you a straight answer on this
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[08-Mar-2007 10:55:47] <brozow> *chirp* *chirp*
[08-Mar-2007 10:56:04] <chet> Slow morning, eh brozow?
[08-Mar-2007 10:56:15] <brozow> heh... sure seems that way
[08-Mar-2007 10:58:20] <chet> We must have too many question answerers and not enough question askerers.
[08-Mar-2007 10:58:43] <brozow> yeah could be..though I know some projects use mailing lists over irc...
[08-Mar-2007 10:58:50] <brozow> I'm just better at irc than email
[08-Mar-2007 10:59:11] <chet> True.. I like the instant gratification of irc..
[08-Mar-2007 10:59:18] <brozow> yeah me too
[08-Mar-2007 10:59:26] <brozow> plus you get to know the people better
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:17] <chet> At least mailing lists tend to leave a better record of solutions.
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:25] <brozow> that's definitely true
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:30] <brozow> hard to google irc
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:40] <chet> speaking of which.. the weirdest thing happened to me yesterday.
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:47] <brozow> really?
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:56] <creiht> brozow: !!!!!!
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:00] <creiht>
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:05] <brozow> hey creiht
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:08] <brozow> hows it going?
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:17] <chet> I was having a conversation with someone in this very channel, and about 30 seconds after I typed a specific OID I did a google search for it. It actually showed the IRC log.
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:20] <creiht> hehe... You really don't want to know
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:22] <chet> That's some fast indexing..
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:29] <brozow> whoa! that's scary
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:39] <creiht> brozow: But I might be calling you guys soon
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:40] <brozow> better watch what i say
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:55] <creiht> brozow: So what brings you over here
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:56] <brozow> creiht: we'd love to hear from ya!
[08-Mar-2007 11:02:19] <brozow> just checking it out... I keep hearing about zenoss but don't know much about it
[08-Mar-2007 11:02:31] <creiht> cool
[08-Mar-2007 11:02:44] <brozow> you must be using creiht you're a python guy
[08-Mar-2007 11:02:55] <creiht> haha
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:06] <creiht> I'm using it to monitor our internal production servers
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:11] <brozow> chet: do yo use zenoss?
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:31] <creiht> brozow: I hope you will still be my friend
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:43] <chet> yeah, but it's only mirroring our existing Nagios at the moment.
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:57] <brozow> ok...
[08-Mar-2007 11:04:07] <brozow> yeah creiht I'll still like ya
[08-Mar-2007 11:04:34] <brozow> chet: btw.. where did you see that index?
[08-Mar-2007 11:05:48] <chet> http://www2.adytum.us/adytum-irclogs/%23zenoss@freenode.log
[08-Mar-2007 11:06:56] <brozow> adytum... never heard of that
[08-Mar-2007 11:07:22] <creiht> brozow: It's one of the dev's consulting companies
[08-Mar-2007 11:07:34] <brozow> ah I see
[08-Mar-2007 11:08:04] <brozow> I just looked and they only had zenoss logs that's why I was wondering
[08-Mar-2007 11:09:37] <creiht> hopes there is no incriminating evidence in those logs
[08-Mar-2007 11:09:46] <brozow> hehe
[08-Mar-2007 11:10:36] <chet> I seem to remember calling all of the developers python loving perl haters at some point.
[08-Mar-2007 11:10:39] * brozow searches for creith in the logs...
[08-Mar-2007 11:10:57] <creiht> uh oh
[08-Mar-2007 11:11:13] <PerlStalker> This could be fun
[08-Mar-2007 11:12:04] <chet> I don't understand what it is about python that makes you hate perl..
[08-Mar-2007 11:12:33] <creiht> chet: Well part of it is that you can come back to code a week later and still understand what you wrote
[08-Mar-2007 11:13:03] <creiht> But let's not turn this into a programming language advocacy rant
[08-Mar-2007 11:13:16] <creiht> In reality Python just fits how I think better
[08-Mar-2007 11:13:40] <chet> I love and hate all languages equally.
[08-Mar-2007 11:13:51] <creiht> I can imagine that it is similar for other languages like Perl and Ruby
[08-Mar-2007 11:14:21] <PerlStalker> Alright. This lack of documentation is really starting to get to me.
[08-Mar-2007 11:15:49] <PerlStalker> I'm trying to hack out this freaking data collector and it's like groping through a black room with big wholes in the floor and there are snakes everywhere.
[08-Mar-2007 11:17:00] <chet> I feel your pain, PerlStalker. There are a bunch of data collectors I wanted to build that include model updates, but it seems like a waste of my time to learn the current model if these ZenPacks are going to change everything soon.
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[08-Mar-2007 11:17:52] <creiht> PerlStalker: I agree with chet... I think they haven't documented it much yet, because they really want everyone to use ZenPacks for those types of things
[08-Mar-2007 11:18:32] <chet> Which makes sense because otherwise your code will be completely un-upgradeable.
[08-Mar-2007 11:19:09] <chet> As fast as Zenoss is moving at the moment, being able to upgrade with minimal hassle is very important.
[08-Mar-2007 11:19:10] <PerlStalker> I'd love to use ZenPacks
[08-Mar-2007 11:21:09] <b52laptop> anyone know a consultant (freelance) who work in deploying/consulting stuff arounf zenoss a part from zenoss inc ?
[08-Mar-2007 11:21:40] <creiht> b52laptop: I had heard that they were working on some partnerships for that
[08-Mar-2007 11:21:50] <creiht> But not sure what that has come to yet
[08-Mar-2007 11:22:07] <b52laptop> hm ok
[08-Mar-2007 11:22:33] <creiht> There was one guy that had been on the logs a bit, but I think he was from the UK
[08-Mar-2007 11:23:54] <b52laptop> in fact , i am interested in an intern (non paid and remote one) around zenoss stuff , so the location doesn't matter ....
[08-Mar-2007 11:24:21] <b52laptop> creiht, what the guy post on the mailling list about ?
[08-Mar-2007 11:25:28] <creiht> b52laptop: Oh sorry he was on IRC... and it seemed like he worked for some cosulting company that was partnering with Zenoss
[08-Mar-2007 11:25:57] <b52laptop> creiht, ah ok
[08-Mar-2007 11:32:27] <PerlStalker> So, any idea on when a release supporting zenpacks is due?
[08-Mar-2007 11:34:03] <chet> It's ticket is currently a blocker for the 1.2 release..
[08-Mar-2007 11:34:50] <chet> At the rate they've been making releases my WAG would put it somewhere around 2-3 weeks.
[08-Mar-2007 11:35:37] <PerlStalker> I see
[08-Mar-2007 11:47:30] <chet> Unfortunately I see nothing in the trunk related to zenpacks.
[08-Mar-2007 12:15:12] <PerlStalker> Great
[08-Mar-2007 12:15:36] <PerlStalker> Well, I hold off on getting performance graphs on the radios for now.
[08-Mar-2007 12:15:45] <PerlStalker> JFF is taking care of that currently
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[08-Mar-2007 16:21:58] <chet> I just upgraded to trunk and am getting the following failure in zenperfsnmp.log
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:00] <chet> Failure: exceptions.ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:11] <chet> Anyone know what this might be? the zenmigrate ran successfully.
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:20] <chet> It does cause zenperfsnmp to terminate.
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:41] <monrad> i have seen that too
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:52] <monrad> i guess its the price of running trunk
[08-Mar-2007 16:23:10] <chet> yup
[08-Mar-2007 16:24:27] <monrad> i guess its something with the new pickle stuff
[08-Mar-2007 16:28:13] <PerlStalker> I don't want a pickle
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[08-Mar-2007 18:49:49] <Snake-Eyes> hmm looks like every ones gone to bed
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[08-Mar-2007 20:22:13] <chet> Does anyone know anything about the pynetsnmp module? The trunk code optionally calls it, but a google actually returns no results.
[08-Mar-2007 21:17:03] <Snake-Eyes> nope
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[09-Mar-2007 03:23:53] <Snake-Eyes> any one know how often zenoss log's into into a box via ssh and runs the plugins ?
[09-Mar-2007 03:26:10] <Snake-Eyes> zCommandCycleTime ?
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[09-Mar-2007 09:09:40] <fritz> with the appliance the collector process gets killed when i try to setup a plugin as explained in the manual
[09-Mar-2007 09:09:54] <fritz> gets terminated because mem+swap is full
[09-Mar-2007 09:13:33] <fritz> hmm sucsesfull authenthication makes it not bomb out
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[09-Mar-2007 10:20:14] <fritz> hmm i have ssh working, followed the steps in the admin guide, zenplugin.py io works, added a ssIORawReceived to the perfconf
[09-Mar-2007 10:20:20] <fritz> but it's not filling the data source
[09-Mar-2007 10:21:06] <fritz> anyone know what i missed?
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[09-Mar-2007 10:23:53] <aarontdi> anyone available for a quick question?
[09-Mar-2007 10:24:49] <fritz> i'm around
[09-Mar-2007 10:25:08] <fritz> looking for an answer myself too, heh, but channels kinda quiet
[09-Mar-2007 10:25:25] <aarontdi> seems that way
[09-Mar-2007 10:25:39] <aarontdi> I'm getting this long, awful stack trace when I try to click on "Manage" anywhere
[09-Mar-2007 10:25:51] <fritz> pastebin it?
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:13] <aarontdi> its pretty long
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:24] <aarontdi> heres what seemst o be the most significant portion
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:25] <aarontdi> URL: file:ZenModel/skins/zenmodel/userCommandsMacros.pt
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:25] <aarontdi> Line 5, Column 0
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:25] <aarontdi> Expression: standard:'here/userCommands/objectValuesAll'
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:26] <aarontdi> Names:
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:46] <fritz> dunno, reinstall and try agian?
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:53] <aarontdi> done that
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:01] <fritz> wich version?
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:05] <aarontdi> 1.1.1
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:15] <fritz> hmm, havent had an issue
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:33] <aarontdi> it was an upgrade from 1.0 so I'm wondering if that is related
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:40] <aarontdi> I've made sure that the migration script ran though
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:51] <fritz> did you upgrade or remove the old and install the new
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:58] <aarontdi> upgrade
[09-Mar-2007 10:29:18] <fritz> try a fresh install
[09-Mar-2007 10:29:53] <aarontdi> if I remove the package will I lost all of my hosts and so forth or is that all in mysql?
[09-Mar-2007 10:30:13] <aarontdi> lose, rather
[09-Mar-2007 10:30:43] <fritz> yeah
[09-Mar-2007 10:30:47] <fritz> back it up
[09-Mar-2007 10:31:14] <fritz> or take a fresh install tree and do a diff
[09-Mar-2007 10:31:21] <fritz> see whats/wrong missing
[09-Mar-2007 10:31:29] <aarontdi> ok
[09-Mar-2007 10:36:18] <aarontdi> wow. even ripping it out and reinstalling it didn't fix this.
[09-Mar-2007 10:41:25] <chet> aarontdi: Part of the stack trace looks familiar.. could you pastebin the whole thing?
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:04] <aarontdi> just paste the whole thing in the channel?
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:17] <aarontdi> this error seems to be known
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:19] <aarontdi> An error was encountered while publishing this resource. Please use the form below to submit details of this error to Zenoss, Inc.
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:22] <aarontdi> Type: KeyError
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:24] <aarontdi> Value: 'userCommands'
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:51] <aarontdi> I've rerun the zenmigrate script per some threads I read and the problem remains
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:59] <chet> Actually.. try this..
[09-Mar-2007 10:44:08] <chet> zenmigrate run -v 10 --step=UserCommands --commit
[09-Mar-2007 10:44:21] <aarontdi> ok, one moment
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:13] <aarontdi> its thinking real hard
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:19] <aarontdi> DEBUG:zen.migrate:Level None, steps = ['UserCommands']
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:19] <aarontdi> INFO:zen.migrate:Database going to version Zenoss 1.1.0
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:20] <aarontdi> INFO:zen.migrate:Installing UserCommands
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:37] <chet> good... it takes a while.
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:47] <aarontdi> chet, thank you
[09-Mar-2007 10:46:22] <aarontdi> ouch, it ended in an error
[09-Mar-2007 10:46:35] <chet> btw, when people talk about pastebin, they mean go to a site like pastebin.com, paste your data in there and then paste the generated link to the channel.
[09-Mar-2007 10:46:43] <aarontdi> ahhh
[09-Mar-2007 10:46:47] <aarontdi> ok
[09-Mar-2007 10:48:23] <chet> fritz: Have you tried: zencommand run -v 10 -d your.device
[09-Mar-2007 10:48:36] <chet> Often the verbose output can give you a good idea what's going on.
[09-Mar-2007 10:48:56] <aarontdi> working on that pastebin. pastebin.com is moving a bit slowly for some reason
[09-Mar-2007 10:49:30] <chet> You could use pastebin.mozilla.com instead.
[09-Mar-2007 10:49:33] <chet> It's normally fast.
[09-Mar-2007 10:50:21] <aarontdi> ok
[09-Mar-2007 10:51:42] <aarontdi> http://pastebin.ca/387700
[09-Mar-2007 10:51:42] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Aaron / Zenoss - post number 387700 (at pastebin.ca)
[09-Mar-2007 10:52:18] <fritz> i'll tryt that chet thanx
[09-Mar-2007 10:54:19] <chet> aarontdi: ok, that's no big deal. Database conflict errors are usually transient. Try shutting down zenoss all together, then running zeoctl start to start the ZODB.
[09-Mar-2007 10:54:27] <chet> Then run that migrate command I gave you again.
[09-Mar-2007 10:54:37] <chet> That should eliminate any chance of conflicts.
[09-Mar-2007 10:55:45] <aarontdi> ok. I've run 'service zenoss stop' 'zeoctl start' and now I'm running the command you gave me before.
[09-Mar-2007 10:56:33] <aarontdi> aha! INFO:zen.migrate:Migration successful
[09-Mar-2007 10:57:02] <chet> Great.. start zenoss up, and hopefully those exceptions are gone.
[09-Mar-2007 10:57:29] <chet> I think this same issue snagged me going from 1.0 -> 1.1
[09-Mar-2007 10:58:05] <PerlStalker> Is it possible for zenoss to autodiscover devices that don't have snmp, i.e. they're only pingable?
[09-Mar-2007 10:58:06] <chet> The more problems you have, the more you learn about the internals. It can be pretty daunting at first.
[09-Mar-2007 10:58:15] <aarontdi> hurray! its working!
[09-Mar-2007 10:58:29] <aarontdi> chet, I can't thank you enough. My boss was ready to have a seizure over this
[09-Mar-2007 11:01:30] <fritz> hmm one seems to work
[09-Mar-2007 11:01:33] <fritz> the other doesnt
[09-Mar-2007 11:01:49] <fritz> same command, same config, but one gives a result according to debug, the other doesnt
[09-Mar-2007 11:08:10] <PerlStalker> I'm monitoring some Linux routers with net-snmp and ever once in a while I get this event on all of them: Error reading value for "ssCpuRawWait" on alamosa-gw (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.11.54.0 is bad)
[09-Mar-2007 11:08:27] <PerlStalker> It works the rest of the time.
[09-Mar-2007 11:08:55] <PerlStalker> What would be causing that?
[09-Mar-2007 11:08:58] <chet> RHEL3?
[09-Mar-2007 11:09:14] <PerlStalker> The zenoss server is running on Gentoo.
[09-Mar-2007 11:09:23] <PerlStalker> The routers are ImageStream
[09-Mar-2007 11:10:04] <chet> I have this same problem on my RHEL3 systems. It's just a bug in the version of net-snmp that comes with them.
[09-Mar-2007 11:10:26] <chet> Are you running less than v5.1.2?
[09-Mar-2007 11:11:34] <chet> I ended up creating a sub-class under Devices/Server/Linux for these that doesn't include the ssCpuRawWait oid
[09-Mar-2007 11:18:57] <fritz> odd
[09-Mar-2007 11:19:05] <fritz> as soon as i hit port 8080 zeoctl dies
[09-Mar-2007 11:19:16] <fritz> no segfaults in the logs though
[09-Mar-2007 11:20:12] <fritz> actually it just dies on it's own
[09-Mar-2007 11:23:26] <fritz> ah well
[09-Mar-2007 11:23:35] <fritz> i'll just try a source install
[09-Mar-2007 11:23:42] <fritz> thanx for the help chet
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[09-Mar-2007 11:29:19] <PerlStalker> net-snmp 5.2.1
[09-Mar-2007 11:30:01] <PerlStalker> I thought about that but it also flags on things like sysUpTime
[09-Mar-2007 11:30:27] <PerlStalker> It's all of these routers at the same time so I'm thinking it's a network thing.
[09-Mar-2007 11:30:53] <monrad> chet: still having snmp troubles?
[09-Mar-2007 11:31:58] <chet> Are you talking about that unpacking error in trunk?
[09-Mar-2007 11:34:56] <chet> PerlStalker: Of course there's my standard answer to most problems when it comes to zenoss..
[09-Mar-2007 11:35:19] <chet> stick "logseverity 10" in your zenperfsnmp to get some more information when this occurs.
[09-Mar-2007 11:35:31] <chet> er.. zenperfsnmp.conf
[09-Mar-2007 11:39:08] <monrad> ok
[09-Mar-2007 11:39:23] <chet> ok?
[09-Mar-2007 11:39:53] <monrad> i try to see what happens
[09-Mar-2007 11:40:25] <chet> that logseverity stuff was in response to PerlStalker..
[09-Mar-2007 11:40:33] <monrad> ohh
[09-Mar-2007 11:40:40] <monrad> ok i am kinda tried
[09-Mar-2007 11:41:13] <chet> monrad: There were too many issues with trunk for me.. I reverted back to 1.1.1
[09-Mar-2007 11:41:43] <chet> monrad: The web interface looked like it was halfway transitioned to something else. I'll be a good boy and wait for an actual release. =}
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[09-Mar-2007 13:02:07] <PerlStalker> Looks like my weird SNMP thing happens after zenperfsnmp "received config" for each device.
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[09-Mar-2007 13:15:03] <PerlStalker> Can someone tell me why the CPU Utilization graphs have units in percents but use the ssCpuRaw* values from the MIB?
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[09-Mar-2007 13:58:42] <aarontdi> anyone here ever tried to secure zenoss with SSL?
[09-Mar-2007 14:28:16] <chet> aarontdi: Here is a way to do it with stunnel: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToSetupZenossWithStunnel
[09-Mar-2007 14:28:16] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToSetupZenossWithStunnel - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[09-Mar-2007 14:36:30] <aarontdi> chet: thanks again!
[09-Mar-2007 14:59:54] <aarontdi> chet: it works! thanks
[09-Mar-2007 15:00:33] <chet> You're having a good day. =}
[09-Mar-2007 15:00:38] <aarontdi> yes sir I am
[09-Mar-2007 15:00:44] <aarontdi> my boss even likes me today
[09-Mar-2007 15:01:09] <aarontdi> chet: are you a zenoss developer or have you just become an expert through experience?
[09-Mar-2007 15:01:27] <chet> Just a user.. far from an expert.
[09-Mar-2007 15:02:15] <aarontdi> you're in the DC area?
[09-Mar-2007 15:02:32] <aarontdi> your hostname betrays you
[09-Mar-2007 15:02:42] <chet> Yeah.. I work near Bowie, MD and live in Fairfax, VA.
[09-Mar-2007 15:02:49] <aarontdi> I'm from Fairfax, VA!
[09-Mar-2007 15:03:04] <aarontdi> I live in NC now but I went to Robinson HS and everything
[09-Mar-2007 15:03:27] <chet> Wow.. I live about 2 miles from Robinson..
[09-Mar-2007 15:03:31] <chet> Small world.
[09-Mar-2007 15:03:33] <aarontdi> very
[09-Mar-2007 15:05:04] <chet> Apparently Zenoss' headquarters is in Annapolis, MD.
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[09-Mar-2007 15:05:21] <aarontdi> yup. They seem to have an office down here in Raleigh too
[09-Mar-2007 15:05:30] <aarontdi> one of their reps came to our company
[09-Mar-2007 15:05:39] <aarontdi> its a very impressive product and company
[09-Mar-2007 15:05:42] <chet> Cool. Is that how you found out about it?
[09-Mar-2007 15:06:17] <aarontdi> I had strictly been a nagios user for years but then I joined this managed hosting company that wanted to ditch a proprietary solution for Zenoss
[09-Mar-2007 15:06:23] <aarontdi> so I just kindof got thrust into it
[09-Mar-2007 15:06:53] <aarontdi> obviously there's no comparison between the two as far as features go
[09-Mar-2007 15:07:00] <aarontdi> we still use both, however.
[09-Mar-2007 15:07:18] <aarontdi> actually the VA Lottery is one of our customers
[09-Mar-2007 15:08:38] <aarontdi> their servers went crazy the other day with that huge jackpot
[09-Mar-2007 15:08:47] <aarontdi> bunch of silly Windows servers
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[09-Mar-2007 16:19:53] <chet> aarontdi: Think you can rig the next jackpot for me?
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[11-Mar-2007 14:03:10] <husku> o/
[11-Mar-2007 15:09:33] <husku> is it possible to make zensyslog to listen on another port?
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[11-Mar-2007 17:45:48] <chet> husku: Add a line like "syslogport 5514" to your $ZENHOME/etc/zensyslog.conf file.
[11-Mar-2007 17:57:51] <husku> chet: thanks, ill need that later
[11-Mar-2007 17:58:34] <husku> im using syslog-ng to get all the messages but still redirecting them also to zenoss, and they are on the same machine
[11-Mar-2007 17:59:46] <chet> Definitely a good idea. zensyslog is a lot heavier on system resources, so it's nice to have the ability to filter them beforehand.
[11-Mar-2007 18:00:40] <husku> yeah, and atm my zensyslog does not work corretly so... this is also a kind of backup arrangement
[11-Mar-2007 18:02:31] <husku> not sure why it is borked, everytime windows sends in an logevent it starts looping on some errors
[11-Mar-2007 18:02:53] <husku> at least i think it is related to windows
[11-Mar-2007 18:03:18] <chet> Are you using some kind of eventlog to syslog tool?
[11-Mar-2007 18:03:57] <husku> yes, the tool is even called "eventlog to syslog"
[11-Mar-2007 18:04:06] <chet> clever..
[11-Mar-2007 18:04:19] <husku> runs as nice little windows service
[11-Mar-2007 18:04:39] <chet> I'm just using the functionality built into zenwin to do it. It's nice in that you only have to install it on your zenwin server.. not all the systems you want to monitor.
[11-Mar-2007 18:05:41] <husku> well, i dont have any windows servers that could run zenwin
[11-Mar-2007 18:15:36] <husku> hmm, where do i see the log messages that zenoss gets?
[11-Mar-2007 18:16:00] <husku> im testing using logger -p crit message
[11-Mar-2007 18:16:30] <chet> They should show up under the events tab of the device that sent them.
[11-Mar-2007 18:16:51] <husku> well, then i have something wrong somewhere...
[11-Mar-2007 18:17:04] <husku> and not also to any logs?
[11-Mar-2007 18:17:29] <chet> No.. zenoss only cares about events. syslog-ng is the kind of thing that would put them in files.
[11-Mar-2007 18:18:01] <chet> You could probably run "zensyslog run -v 10" from the command line to get verbose logs if you're interested in it for debugging purposes.
[11-Mar-2007 18:20:11] <husku> and my messages should show up there, atleast, something should happen upon event...
[11-Mar-2007 18:20:28] <husku> atm, only heartbeats
[11-Mar-2007 18:21:06] <chet> I believe there's a default event mapping that silently drops heartbeats.
[11-Mar-2007 18:21:48] <chet> http://zenoss:8080/zport/dmd/Events/Heartbeat/eventClassStatus
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[11-Mar-2007 18:23:21] <husku> well, now i got something
[11-Mar-2007 18:23:32] <husku> and also log entries, but no events
[11-Mar-2007 18:23:38] <husku> and this : ERROR:zen.ZenSyslog:'SyslogProcessor' object has no attribute 'dmd'
[11-Mar-2007 18:24:50] <chet> That sounds like a bug. What version are you running?
[11-Mar-2007 18:25:01] <husku> latest svn
[11-Mar-2007 18:25:46] <chet> Can't help you there.. svn is in huge flux right now. There are all sorts of major bugs.
[11-Mar-2007 18:25:50] <chet> I'd suggest running 1.1.1
[11-Mar-2007 18:26:08] <husku> well, yes. it is a testig setup
[11-Mar-2007 18:26:14] <chet> You can do the SVN install, but export SVNTAG="tags/zenoss-1.1.1" first.
[11-Mar-2007 18:26:37] <husku> so id get the 1.1.1 version?
[11-Mar-2007 18:26:45] <chet> yeah
[11-Mar-2007 18:26:52] <husku> :/
[11-Mar-2007 18:27:06] <chet> That's how I do it.. just in case I feel like playing with other tags/branches/trunk in the future.
[11-Mar-2007 18:27:18] <husku> hehe
[11-Mar-2007 18:27:36] <chet> Hopefully once the developers get rested from PyCon SVN will become more usable.
[11-Mar-2007 18:27:47] <chet> s/SVN/trunk/
[11-Mar-2007 18:28:18] <husku> well, i could do some testing for the community, and report bugs...
[11-Mar-2007 18:28:32] <husku> i dont feel like going back to 1.1.1
[11-Mar-2007 18:28:36] <chet> I'm sure they'd appreciate it, but send that stuff to the mailing list. =}
[11-Mar-2007 18:29:03] <chet> Everyone on here is afraid of trunk.
[11-Mar-2007 18:29:08] <husku> haha
[11-Mar-2007 18:29:39] <husku> well, maybe ill send some reports...
[11-Mar-2007 18:33:08] <chet> ok, I can't help but look at it..
[11-Mar-2007 18:33:35] <chet> What do you have on line 87 of Products/ZenEvents/SyslogProcessing.py ?
[11-Mar-2007 18:34:14] <husku> ill put the whole error on pastebin, wait a second
[11-Mar-2007 18:35:18] <chet> I think I know what the bug is. Looks to be developer absentmindedness.. I can't believe gaim didn't flag absentmindedness as a spelling error.
[11-Mar-2007 18:36:37] <chet> The fix should be to change line #87 of Products/ZenEvents/SyslogProcessing.py from "self.dmd.ZenEventManager.sendEvent(evt)" to "self.zem.sendEvent(evt)"
[11-Mar-2007 18:37:39] <husku> http://pastebin.ca/391228
[11-Mar-2007 18:37:39] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 391228 (at pastebin.ca)
[11-Mar-2007 18:38:16] <chet> yup.. go ahead and make that change.
[11-Mar-2007 18:38:20] <husku> earlier today i tried to look for a "simple" error from the sources but, no luck... well, im no python coder
[11-Mar-2007 18:40:50] <husku> what about the other files, same kind of change?
[11-Mar-2007 18:41:53] <chet> Are you getting other errors like this?
[11-Mar-2007 18:42:37] <husku> i did i little grepping...
[11-Mar-2007 18:42:43] <husku> zenoss@valvomo ~ $ grep -r dmd.ZenEventManager /usr/local/zenoss/Products/* |wc -l
[11-Mar-2007 18:42:46] <husku> 158
[11-Mar-2007 18:43:09] <chet> That's probably fine. Most of the objects have the dmd as a instance variable.
[11-Mar-2007 18:43:39] <chet> I'd leave them alone.
[11-Mar-2007 18:43:43] <husku> ok
[11-Mar-2007 18:44:32] <husku> jei1
[11-Mar-2007 18:44:36] <husku> it works
[11-Mar-2007 18:44:52] <chet> Feel like submitting a summary of this to the mailing list. =}
[11-Mar-2007 18:45:23] <husku> feel free, you should get all the _whats_the_word_
[11-Mar-2007 18:45:34] <chet> blame?
[11-Mar-2007 18:45:38] <husku> yes
[11-Mar-2007 18:48:20] <husku> well, now i dont even feel like sleeping anymore
[11-Mar-2007 18:49:49] <husku> chet: btw, thanks a bunch for help
[11-Mar-2007 18:50:18] <chet> Sure thing.. that's why I leave this channel open.
[11-Mar-2007 18:51:30] <chet> I just added a ticket for it.. http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/1056 to keep track of its status.
[11-Mar-2007 18:51:30] <adytum-bot> Title: #1056 (zensyslog not able to send events) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[11-Mar-2007 18:52:05] <husku> one more thing, do you know how i can give extra option to zensyslog daemon so it gets applied on zenoss start ?
[11-Mar-2007 18:52:16] <husku> my setup needs the --parsehost flag
[11-Mar-2007 18:52:19] <chet> yeah, the etc/zensyslog.conf file.
[11-Mar-2007 18:52:33] <husku> just add the flag to the bottom of the file?
[11-Mar-2007 18:52:36] <chet> Any command line option can be set in that file using the long form.
[11-Mar-2007 18:52:44] <husku> ok, thanks
[11-Mar-2007 18:52:49] <chet> Is it a boolean flag?
[11-Mar-2007 18:53:28] <chet> yeah.. I guess so, you'd just add a line with "parsehost" on it.
[11-Mar-2007 18:53:41] <chet> Maybe "parsehost 1" .. not sure, I've never set a boolean that way.
[11-Mar-2007 18:54:27] <husku> i did parsehost true
[11-Mar-2007 18:54:42] <chet> sounds good to me
[11-Mar-2007 18:55:14] <husku> yep
[11-Mar-2007 18:55:22] <husku> maybe ill start reporting more bugs...
[11-Mar-2007 18:55:31] <husku> tomorrow
[11-Mar-2007 18:56:13] <husku> or what do you think, does the svn need one more tester?
[11-Mar-2007 18:57:00] <chet> If you don't need a working system, by all means test! =}
[11-Mar-2007 18:58:23] <husku> well, i have one virtualmachine just for testing stuff
[11-Mar-2007 19:00:33] <husku> btw, i did not found a way to remove devices, do you know is that possible?
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[11-Mar-2007 19:02:47] <husku> imean, i have a duplicate, two devices which are the same, localhost and "hostname" with address 127.0.0.1
[11-Mar-2007 19:03:33] <chet> I have a button on the device's manage tab called "Delete Device"..
[11-Mar-2007 19:03:44] <husku>
[11-Mar-2007 19:03:46] <husku> i dont
[11-Mar-2007 19:04:58] <husku> well, maybe on the next upgrade
[11-Mar-2007 19:06:12] <chet> In a pinch you can run the zendmd shell..
[11-Mar-2007 19:06:29] <chet> and do: find("devicename").deleteDevice()
[11-Mar-2007 19:06:31] <chet> commit()
[11-Mar-2007 19:06:34] <husku> oh, never heard of that
[11-Mar-2007 19:07:26] <monrad> it would be nice with more docs on the xml-rpc interfaces
[11-Mar-2007 19:08:18] <husku> whoa, that worked out nicely
[11-Mar-2007 19:08:50] <husku> yes it would be
[11-Mar-2007 19:09:10] <chet> zendmd and the source are really a great way to get intimately acquainted with zenoss.
[11-Mar-2007 19:09:28] <husku> maybe ill start learning python
[11-Mar-2007 19:10:04] <chet> You'll be glad you did. I'd never even seen a line of python until about a month ago when I picked zenoss up.
[11-Mar-2007 19:10:47] <husku> well, i have a long history with php
[11-Mar-2007 19:11:08] <chet> Then you should be good.. I'm a Perl monger.
[11-Mar-2007 19:11:32] <husku> i should study perl also, atleast, im running with gentoo
[11-Mar-2007 19:15:04] <husku> do you know if zenoss is able to use net-snmp instead of pysnmp?
[11-Mar-2007 19:15:50] <chet> They seem to putting support for that into trunk at the moment.
[11-Mar-2007 19:16:03] <husku> i thougt so...
[11-Mar-2007 19:16:11] <chet> I couldn't figure it out though.. as the module they're using to support net-snmp is called "pynetsnmp"
[11-Mar-2007 19:16:23] <chet> A quick google search reveals 0 matches.. so I'm at a loss.
[11-Mar-2007 19:16:28] <husku> warnings.warn("Using python-based snmp enging")
[11-Mar-2007 19:17:00] <husku> i get bunch of errors with zenperfsnmp and i think all is related to that transition
[11-Mar-2007 19:17:02] <chet> The best I can figure is that they're planning on writing a wrapper module themselves.
[11-Mar-2007 19:17:30] <chet> There was one show-stopping bug regarding the unpacking of data in trunk for me.
[11-Mar-2007 19:17:33] <chet> I couldn't figure it out.
[11-Mar-2007 19:18:20] <husku> what was that?
[11-Mar-2007 19:18:33] <monrad> i think that one was because of them moving configurations data into pickle format in the filesystem
[11-Mar-2007 19:18:54] <chet> yup.. I think I ran into that too.
[11-Mar-2007 19:19:04] <chet> Maybe it wouldn't have been a problem for a fresh install, but I was upgrading.
[11-Mar-2007 19:19:08] <chet> So I had existing data.
[11-Mar-2007 19:20:01] <monrad> i triede to delete my perf dir and it still gave that error
[11-Mar-2007 19:20:20] <chet> I was getting: Failure: exceptions.ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size
[11-Mar-2007 19:20:34] <chet> There's a thread on the mailing list about it, but no responses from the developers yet.
[11-Mar-2007 19:21:06] <monrad> Failure: exceptions.ValueError: need more than 3 values to unpack
[11-Mar-2007 19:21:12] <monrad> thats the one i got
[11-Mar-2007 19:21:23] <husku> well, mine is: Failure: exceptions.ValueError: need more than 3 values to unpack
[11-Mar-2007 19:21:25] <chet> Yeah.. probably the same cause..
[11-Mar-2007 19:21:30] <husku> oh
[11-Mar-2007 19:21:40] <husku> bug soulmates
[11-Mar-2007 19:22:55] <chet> I hate it when the exceptions don't have a stack trace..
[11-Mar-2007 19:26:47] <chet> monrad: Any idea what the fix might be?
[11-Mar-2007 19:27:49] <monrad> no i have not had any time to look at it yet
[11-Mar-2007 19:27:57] <monrad> i hope they fix it tomorrow
[11-Mar-2007 19:28:03] <chet> hehe..
[11-Mar-2007 19:28:39] <monrad> they start their checkins when i meet at work on mondays
[11-Mar-2007 19:31:42] <husku> well, i have to go to work soon so id better get some sleep
[11-Mar-2007 19:31:53] <husku> c u o/
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[11-Mar-2007 21:37:36] <Snake-Eyes> Any one know where you can change how often zenoss queries boxes via ssh ?
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[12-Mar-2007 05:23:44] <cappy> does zenoss support passive checks?
[12-Mar-2007 05:23:52] <cappy> hrm
[12-Mar-2007 05:23:57] <cappy> maybe i should've rephrased
[12-Mar-2007 05:24:41] <cappy> nagios has a pretty neat distributed model where you can have relay nagios servers that serves nothing more then data collectors which forwards to a central nagios server for processing
[12-Mar-2007 05:25:10] <cappy> can zenoss be setup in such a fashion where i can have the client nodes send the information back to a master server (via snmptraps or what not?)
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[12-Mar-2007 14:11:00] <stdaro_> just getting started with zenoss, and I have no experience with zope... is there a default username/password for /manage (zope management)?
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[12-Mar-2007 14:20:29] <chet> stdaro_: I think it is admin/admin
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[12-Mar-2007 14:22:32] <stdaro_> is there any way to do SSL aside from an external proxy?
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[12-Mar-2007 14:23:53] <chet> No.. stunnel is probably the easiest.
[12-Mar-2007 14:25:23] <stdaro_> I've done the config in apache before, no big deal, just hoping I didnt have to
[12-Mar-2007 14:32:22] <stdaro_> thanks for your help
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[12-Mar-2007 14:42:22] <PerlStalker> How do you set the SNMP trap community?
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[12-Mar-2007 15:34:55] <chet> The trap community for net-snmp?
[12-Mar-2007 15:35:08] <PerlStalker> n/m, I got it.
[12-Mar-2007 15:35:15] <PerlStalker> I'm just really confused today.
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[12-Mar-2007 16:03:00] <PerlStalker> How do I set the component field in an event?
[12-Mar-2007 16:03:40] <PerlStalker> Is it just component = evt.FieldName ?
[12-Mar-2007 16:05:56] <chet> evt.component = "whatever you want"
[12-Mar-2007 16:06:19] <chet> If you extracted something from the event text with ?P<component> it would automatically be set.
[12-Mar-2007 16:07:25] <chet> for example, if your event's text was: user PerlStalker failed password
[12-Mar-2007 16:07:48] <chet> Set your regex to: user (?P<component>\S+) failed login
[12-Mar-2007 16:07:54] <chet> And the component will be set to PerlStalker
[12-Mar-2007 16:08:05] <PerlStalker> I see
[12-Mar-2007 16:09:35] <PerlStalker> Ok. Now to test.
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[12-Mar-2007 16:25:26] <cappy> does anyone have a zendisc.conf file that lists what should actually go in there?
[12-Mar-2007 16:25:40] <cappy> i'm using zendisc to scan through our ip ranges but it seems to use the default 'public' community string
[12-Mar-2007 16:27:10] <chet> cappy, set your zSnmpCommunities to contain the community strings you want to try
[12-Mar-2007 16:27:23] <chet> You can do this on the zProperties tab at any level of the /Devices hierarchy.
[12-Mar-2007 16:27:31] <cappy> hrm
[12-Mar-2007 16:28:02] <cappy> so if it's set in the zProperties under the /Devices tree
[12-Mar-2007 16:28:11] <cappy> zendisc should use that com string to do the snmp scan?
[12-Mar-2007 16:28:28] <chet> Correct.
[12-Mar-2007 16:34:56] <cappy> is there a cli method of adding devices?
[12-Mar-2007 16:42:55] <chet> There are a few methods that can be used on the command line. There are articles on them in the wiki
[12-Mar-2007 16:46:51] <cappy> i noticed there was one about zenbatch* something
[12-Mar-2007 16:46:59] <cappy> but the script/prog isn't installed when i installed it
[12-Mar-2007 16:47:11] <cappy> but i do dig the REST method
[12-Mar-2007 16:54:43] <cappy> do you know if zenoss is capable of service/process dependencies?
[12-Mar-2007 16:55:30] <chet> It isn't.
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[13-Mar-2007 04:53:50] <husku> hey, where should i report bugs?
[13-Mar-2007 04:54:04] <husku> and i mean bugs that live in trunk
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[13-Mar-2007 07:12:42] <fritz> zCommandUsername seems to be ignored by zenoss for some strange reason(1.1.1 on suse 10.0
[13-Mar-2007 07:19:10] <fritz> nvm, fixed
[13-Mar-2007 07:19:32] <fritz> it was generated by the portscan
[13-Mar-2007 07:32:02] <husku> does someone know where i should report trunk bugs?
[13-Mar-2007 07:36:46] <aarontdi> have any of you seen any issues with zenoss 1.1.1 reporting intermittent false errors on services like sunrpc?
[13-Mar-2007 07:56:08] <fritz> is it possible to monitor normal values with snmp and some specific values by ssh/command?
[13-Mar-2007 07:56:28] <fritz> seems the manual suggests disabling snmp collection when using command collection
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[13-Mar-2007 09:02:30] <InAcrash> hello all
[13-Mar-2007 09:05:00] <InAcrash> Does zenoss have the capabilities of monitoring an SQL service on a windows machine?
[13-Mar-2007 09:07:47] <aarontdi> InAcrash: I can't say for sure but I believe it can
[13-Mar-2007 09:07:58] <aarontdi> I'm not a windows guru at all =/
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[13-Mar-2007 09:23:59] <fritz> InAcrash: sure
[13-Mar-2007 09:24:21] <fritz> you can collect using command plugins, remote ssh command scripts, snmp or xml-rpc
[13-Mar-2007 09:24:25] <fritz> take your pick
[13-Mar-2007 09:25:19] <fritz> how does xml-rpc monitoring compare to ssh performance wise
[13-Mar-2007 09:30:02] <fritz> also if xml-rpc returns an array of values, are they entered in the same order into the datasources associated with that query?
[13-Mar-2007 09:30:14] <fritz> or is there some other way to map those to an datasource
[13-Mar-2007 09:30:33] <fritz> datapoint even
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[13-Mar-2007 09:58:40] <InAcrash> how can i go about monitoring an sql service with snmp?
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[13-Mar-2007 10:27:09] <InAcrash> fritz: do you know the exact procedures that i can take towards monitoring an sql service with snmp on a windows machine?
[13-Mar-2007 10:33:58] <fritz> never done that
[13-Mar-2007 10:34:10] <fritz> tr snmp-informant thouh
[13-Mar-2007 10:34:17] <fritz> *try,*though
[13-Mar-2007 10:35:59] <fritz> basicly write something that gets you the vallues you want and integrate it with your snmp deamon
[13-Mar-2007 10:36:17] <fritz> but snmp-informant might already have something like that
[13-Mar-2007 10:36:34] <fritz> or use the mysql plugin, and connect to the db remoteky
[13-Mar-2007 10:36:36] <fritz> *remotely
[13-Mar-2007 10:39:27] <InAcrash> what mysql plugin?
[13-Mar-2007 10:41:01] <fritz> the one in the zenoss-plugin package
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[13-Mar-2007 10:45:57] <husku> hi
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[13-Mar-2007 11:14:53] <PerlStalker> Is there a standard way of rotating zenoss' logs?
[13-Mar-2007 11:15:16] <PerlStalker> Can I just use logrotate or newsyslog?
[13-Mar-2007 11:15:23] <fritz> err dunno, logrotate or syslog?
[13-Mar-2007 11:17:49] <PerlStalker> That's what I was thinking but some apps go a little nuts when you move their logs out from under them.
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[13-Mar-2007 18:51:53] <Snake-Eyes> Any one know where you can set the how often zenoss will log into a machine via ssh? At the momment it logs in every 12 hours which is to far apart.
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[13-Mar-2007 19:37:23] <Snake-Eyes> hey _chris_
[13-Mar-2007 19:37:32] <_chris_> hi Snake-eyes
[13-Mar-2007 19:38:25] <Snake-Eyes> you wouldnthappen to know where I can change ssh login interval ? eg how often ssh logs into a box
[13-Mar-2007 19:39:27] <Snake-Eyes> ive looked every where for it
[13-Mar-2007 19:48:47] * Snake-Eyes thinks _chris_ ran away
[13-Mar-2007 19:52:37] <_chris_> well -
[13-Mar-2007 19:52:43] <_chris_> if you're doing commands
[13-Mar-2007 19:52:49] <_chris_> zencommand keeps an open ssh connection to each box
[13-Mar-2007 19:53:23] <_chris_> so it doesn't login for each command each time.
[13-Mar-2007 19:55:24] <Snake-Eyes> ok
[13-Mar-2007 19:55:43] <Snake-Eyes> but its only logging in every 12 hours
[13-Mar-2007 19:56:10] <Snake-Eyes> doesnt break connection after its finished running all the comands ?
[13-Mar-2007 20:01:08] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, http://rafb.net/p/XkCKvL25.html
[13-Mar-2007 20:01:08] <adytum-bot> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)
[13-Mar-2007 20:26:04] <_chris_> it breaks the connection every 12 hours when zencommand reloads the model information
[13-Mar-2007 20:27:06] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, ok thanks for clearing that up
[13-Mar-2007 20:27:21] <Snake-Eyes> so how often does it query, every 5 mins ?
[13-Mar-2007 20:27:33] <_chris_> yup - out of the box we query every 5 mins
[13-Mar-2007 20:28:40] <Snake-Eyes> ok, cause the Last Collection 2007/03/14 03:34:24.538 thing was also making me think it was collecting every 12 hours or something
[13-Mar-2007 20:29:43] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, I'm graphing some services under perf (Device template), is there a better place or is that it ?
[13-Mar-2007 20:49:32] <_chris_> what are you graphing?
[13-Mar-2007 20:49:50] <Snake-Eyes> apache and mysql
[13-Mar-2007 20:53:20] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, where do you set how often to query a machine, all i see is timeouts every where?
[13-Mar-2007 21:11:19] <_chris_> apache and mysql are appropriate in the device template.
[13-Mar-2007 21:11:39] <_chris_> "how often to query a machine" is referred to as the cycle time
[13-Mar-2007 21:11:42] <_chris_> it's 5 minutes by default
[13-Mar-2007 21:11:49] <_chris_> and i believe you configure that at the performance collector level
[13-Mar-2007 21:12:09] <_chris_> by default zenoss has 1 performance collector installed (well it has 2 - zenperfsnmp, and zencommand)
[13-Mar-2007 21:12:40] <_chris_> but both use the same cycle time.
[13-Mar-2007 21:12:55] <_chris_> i believe you'd have to set up a separate performance collector if you wanted to adjust the cycle time from 5 minutes to something else
[13-Mar-2007 21:12:59] <_chris_> i could be wrong tho
[13-Mar-2007 21:13:16] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, ok thanks
[13-Mar-2007 21:13:40] <Snake-Eyes> btw hows the whole new DST thing treating you guys ?
[13-Mar-2007 21:14:36] <_chris_> we've had a lotta inquiries about that
[13-Mar-2007 21:14:46] <_chris_> there's nothing in the software that's impacted by it
[13-Mar-2007 21:14:55] <_chris_> but the underlying OS is impacted of course
[13-Mar-2007 21:15:10] <_chris_> so our answer is: zenoss is fine. but make sure you update centos/rhel/fedora/freebsd/whatever you're running.
[13-Mar-2007 21:16:08] <Snake-Eyes> lol, im not in the US
[13-Mar-2007 21:16:36] <_chris_> lucky for you!
[13-Mar-2007 21:16:37] <Snake-Eyes> I was just wonder what impact it had
[13-Mar-2007 21:17:14] <Snake-Eyes> our state doesnt have it, personal I dont see the need for it any where
[13-Mar-2007 21:19:17] <_chris_> where are you from?
[13-Mar-2007 21:19:30] <Snake-Eyes> au
[13-Mar-2007 21:19:35] <_chris_> very cool!
[13-Mar-2007 21:19:49] <Snake-Eyes> and can be very hot
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[14-Mar-2007 10:06:16] <aarontdi> 'morning chet
[14-Mar-2007 10:07:20] <chet> Good morning to you too.
[14-Mar-2007 10:09:50] <aarontdi> chet, I've got a weird zenoss error that won't go away. mind looking at a pastebin for me?
[14-Mar-2007 10:11:45] <chet> Not at all. Where is it?
[14-Mar-2007 10:11:58] <aarontdi> http://pastebin.ca/394725
[14-Mar-2007 10:11:58] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Mine - post number 394725 (at pastebin.ca)
[14-Mar-2007 10:12:11] <aarontdi> for some reason it suddenly started reporting this duplicate IP address error yesterday
[14-Mar-2007 10:12:17] <aarontdi> we've made no changes to anything
[14-Mar-2007 10:13:28] <aarontdi> this is kindof a long shot. it really makes no sense
[14-Mar-2007 10:13:57] <chet> First obvious question. Are both of those devices configured with the same IP?
[14-Mar-2007 10:14:16] <aarontdi> nope. RDU-CO-WWW01 *is* www.p4performance.com
[14-Mar-2007 10:14:21] <aarontdi> and its the only machine bound to that IP
[14-Mar-2007 10:16:16] <chet> ok, but are those two separate devices in zenoss?
[14-Mar-2007 10:16:29] <aarontdi> they don't appear to be
[14-Mar-2007 10:16:42] * aarontdi double checks
[14-Mar-2007 10:17:02] <aarontdi> aha
[14-Mar-2007 10:17:03] <chet> Just type each one into the search box at the top and see which one(s) comes up.
[14-Mar-2007 10:17:04] <aarontdi> it was hiding
[14-Mar-2007 10:17:31] <aarontdi> there were 41 devices and this one was hiding on the second page
[14-Mar-2007 10:17:54] <chet> Cool.. no zenfu required.
[14-Mar-2007 10:19:05] <aarontdi> ok. I've deleted the redundant entry
[14-Mar-2007 10:19:10] <aarontdi> we'll see if this goes away now
[14-Mar-2007 10:19:51] <chet> you can restart zenping if you want to know right away.
[14-Mar-2007 10:19:57] <aarontdi> ok
[14-Mar-2007 10:20:21] <chet> It has a 20 minute cycle on reloading config because it has to rebuild the network topology each time.
[14-Mar-2007 10:20:43] <aarontdi> ahh
[14-Mar-2007 10:21:01] <aarontdi> that cleared it!
[14-Mar-2007 10:21:11] <aarontdi> thank you
[14-Mar-2007 10:21:18] <chet> glad to help
[14-Mar-2007 10:21:28] <aarontdi> someday I'll hopefully be useful to you =)
[14-Mar-2007 10:29:55] <aarontdi> chet: what do you specifically? I'm a UNIX Admin right now about to accept a MySQL DBA job.
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[14-Mar-2007 10:33:13] <chet> They tell me I'm a security engineer.
[14-Mar-2007 10:33:43] <chet> Mostly it's network and unix administration.
[14-Mar-2007 10:34:31] <chet> I've a soft spot in my heart for software development, but it just doesn't seem to be as stable a career.
[14-Mar-2007 10:35:56] <aarontdi> me too, actually. I really enjoy programming.
[14-Mar-2007 10:36:32] <aarontdi> I've got this other job I'm interviewing for that is doing LAMP development/support. its intriguing but pays less than the DBA job
[14-Mar-2007 10:37:03] <aarontdi> I've been interviewing because my current position is just plain boring and my boss is less than ideal.
[14-Mar-2007 10:37:23] <chet> What a crock.. I don't understand why DBAs get the big salaries.
[14-Mar-2007 10:37:33] <aarontdi> hahah I know
[14-Mar-2007 10:38:10] <aarontdi> its not *that* challenging
[14-Mar-2007 10:38:33] <aarontdi> I'd argue being a unix admin is just as difficult and requires equal skill
[14-Mar-2007 10:38:47] <aarontdi> at least being a good unix admin does
[14-Mar-2007 10:38:49] <chet> I agree with you there.
[14-Mar-2007 10:42:03] <chet> Out of all the skilled IT people I'
[14-Mar-2007 10:42:18] <chet> I've ever dealt with, UNIX admins have always been the brightest..
[14-Mar-2007 10:42:29] <chet> They understand how everything works, whether they know the details or not.
[14-Mar-2007 10:43:11] <chet> Maybe I just haven't been lucky enough to know any good DBAs or developers.
[14-Mar-2007 10:43:38] <aarontdi> I've had the same experience
[14-Mar-2007 10:43:45] <aarontdi> every DBA I meet only knows databases and *nothing* else
[14-Mar-2007 10:44:08] <aarontdi> I'm almost scared to label myself a DBA
[14-Mar-2007 11:02:10] <_chris_> a lot of DBAs i've worked with only know what their DB Tool tells them
[14-Mar-2007 11:02:17] <_chris_> put them in front of a command prompt and they freeze
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[14-Mar-2007 11:05:08] <aarontdi> exactly
[14-Mar-2007 11:05:15] <aarontdi> I dont want people to think that of me in future jobs
[14-Mar-2007 11:26:37] <PerlStalker> Will someone please explain to me how data points are collected from commands?
[14-Mar-2007 11:26:47] <PerlStalker> I can see how to run the command.
[14-Mar-2007 11:27:02] <PerlStalker> But I don't see how one would pull the data desired from the command.
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[14-Mar-2007 11:32:45] <toddavis> The command output has to have Nagios-type performance data included.
[14-Mar-2007 11:33:06] <PerlStalker> I see
[14-Mar-2007 11:33:30] <toddavis> Then you just reference the variable names.
[14-Mar-2007 11:34:09] <PerlStalker> Ok. That little bit seems to be missing from the admin guide
[14-Mar-2007 11:43:41] <toddavis> I think I figured it out by looking at the PerfConf for /Remove. Knowing how the Zenoss-Plugins were returning information (same as Nagios) and seeing how they were getting the graph info. There's also been some mention of it on the users-list.
[14-Mar-2007 11:43:57] <toddavis> Sorry, that should have been /Remote
[14-Mar-2007 11:44:04] <PerlStalker> Ah
[14-Mar-2007 11:45:28] <toddavis> Ok. I should probably look at the full path first. It's /Devices/Server/Remote
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[14-Mar-2007 14:25:18] <bobirc> hi, I have zenoss up and running, and I have been reading alot the last couple days. I now have a question about how to handle virtual network interfaces with zenoss. (I am pretty new to irc)
[14-Mar-2007 14:26:48] <chet> ok.. what do you mean by virtual interfaces?
[14-Mar-2007 14:27:37] <bobirc> on my linux boxes I typically have multiple IP bound to each network interface
[14-Mar-2007 14:27:54] <chet> Such as eth0:1 eth0:2 ?
[14-Mar-2007 14:27:59] <bobirc> yeah
[14-Mar-2007 14:28:23] <bobirc> and I find that 1) zenss is not acknoledgeing those
[14-Mar-2007 14:28:34] <bobirc> it only sees hte first IP
[14-Mar-2007 14:29:50] <bobirc> and 2) the services it discovered (like smtp) it shows the correct bound IPs, but it shows them as down when they really are up
[14-Mar-2007 14:30:29] <bobirc> i think that its trying to conect to the mangement IP and not hte IP its really bound to
[14-Mar-2007 14:31:00] <bobirc> (I found a forum post of someone with the same problem a month ago, but there were no replies)
[14-Mar-2007 14:31:14] <chet> I've never actually tried that on linux.. doing so now.
[14-Mar-2007 14:31:52] <_chris_> bobirc: check your snmp agent
[14-Mar-2007 14:32:03] <_chris_> run snmpwalk -c public -v 1 <your host with aliases> if
[14-Mar-2007 14:32:16] <_chris_> and see if it returns counters for the interface aliases (eth0:0)
[14-Mar-2007 14:32:23] <bobirc> doing that now...
[14-Mar-2007 14:32:57] <chet> _chris_: I just checked.. net-snmp doesn't report on those interfaces at all.
[14-Mar-2007 14:33:03] <_chris_> yup
[14-Mar-2007 14:33:05] <_chris_> that's yer problem
[14-Mar-2007 14:33:14] <_chris_> you could write a zenplugin to do it
[14-Mar-2007 14:33:17] <_chris_> if you really cared about it
[14-Mar-2007 14:35:00] <bobirc> I think i might. Would you suggest writing a new pluggin as opposed to modifying an existing one?
[14-Mar-2007 14:35:19] <_chris_> you can start with the zenoss-plugins tarball
[14-Mar-2007 14:35:26] <_chris_> take a look at zenoss/plugins/linux2.py
[14-Mar-2007 14:35:29] <_chris_> look at the InterfaceCollector
[14-Mar-2007 14:36:50] <bobirc> what I don't yet understand is how this would interact with existing 'plugins'
[14-Mar-2007 14:37:35] <_chris_> the problem you're going to have tho is this -
[14-Mar-2007 14:37:52] <_chris_> when we model the device we walk the "interfaces" table in order to assemble the list of interfaces that a device has
[14-Mar-2007 14:38:01] <bobirc> for example, the /Services/IpService/Privileged/smtp reports the correct bound IP but is trying to connect to the wrong one
[14-Mar-2007 14:38:07] <_chris_> your snmp agent doesn't return an interface for eth0:0, eth0:1, etc.. it just returns eth0
[14-Mar-2007 14:38:26] <_chris_> so we're not going to capture those aliases in the model, which means they will not show up in the OS tab.
[14-Mar-2007 14:38:50] <_chris_> what you're going to need to do is to model the device using the "cmd" plugins. i'm not sure if our cmd plugins for modeling support aliases yet
[14-Mar-2007 14:39:49] <bobirc> are 'cmd' plugins ssh?
[14-Mar-2007 14:40:05] <chet> bobirc: zenoss already has a data collection plugin for this.
[14-Mar-2007 14:41:28] <chet> Go the the zProperties tab of this device, set your zCollectorCollectPlugins to "ifconfig"
[14-Mar-2007 14:41:38] <chet> Then recollect the device from the Manage tab.
[14-Mar-2007 14:42:02] <chet> This will require that you setup passwordless public key SSH authentication from your zenoss system to the system you're monitoring.
[14-Mar-2007 14:42:08] <bobirc> doing so now...
[14-Mar-2007 14:44:13] <chet> The relevant zProperties would be zCommandUsername (the user on the remote system that trusts zenoss) and zKeyPath (the location of your private key.. probably ~/.ssh/id_rsa)
[14-Mar-2007 14:44:42] <bobirc> i did not see any difference -- should that have listed the virtual interfaces in the OS tab?
[14-Mar-2007 14:44:44] <chet> I usually set zCommandUsername and zKeyPath at the /Devices level since they're likely to be consistent among your systems.
[14-Mar-2007 14:45:09] <chet> Are you familiar with ssh public key authentication?
[14-Mar-2007 14:47:07] <bobirc> oh, i get it. yes, i am familiar with ssh public key authentication
[14-Mar-2007 14:48:27] <bobirc> zKeyPath points to the private key of the system running Zenoss, and then I make sure hte public key is on the linux box(es) that I am monitoring
[14-Mar-2007 14:49:29] <bobirc> from what I read in the manual, I had the impression that I can use either SNMP or ssh to discover the model -- not both
[14-Mar-2007 14:49:54] <bobirc> so do I have to switch from using SNMP to shh completely?
[14-Mar-2007 15:02:01] <chet> I don't believe so.
[14-Mar-2007 15:02:15] <chet> I'm testing all of this as we speak and they're both being used.
[14-Mar-2007 15:02:50] <bobirc> I have not found zKeyPath in my /device zProperties
[14-Mar-2007 15:03:42] <bobirc> oh, I am runnig 1.0.2 could that be why?
[14-Mar-2007 15:03:57] <chet> Likely.. I'm using 1.1.1
[14-Mar-2007 15:04:43] <bobirc> I will upgrade and try it
[14-Mar-2007 15:05:59] <chet> I think you can actually leave your zCollectorCollectPlugins blank too.
[14-Mar-2007 15:07:04] <bobirc> you mean just enabling the ssh access will cause it to be discovered?
[14-Mar-2007 15:07:16] <chet> ah ha.. the right thing to do to make ssh work for interfaces and snmp for everything else is to set the zCollectorIgnorePlugins to InterfaceMap
[14-Mar-2007 15:07:21] <chet> yes
[14-Mar-2007 15:07:26] <bobirc> cool
[14-Mar-2007 15:08:17] <chet> One thing to note is that you won't get performance graphs for the virtual interface because SNMP doesn't report on it.
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[14-Mar-2007 15:08:29] <bobirc> is recollecting the model always safe in terms of not loosing any manualling entered info?
[14-Mar-2007 15:08:35] <chet> Definitely not.
[14-Mar-2007 15:09:12] <chet> A good rule to live by is don't enter anything by hand.
[14-Mar-2007 15:09:25] <chet> If it wasn't collected, it will probably be overwritten.
[14-Mar-2007 15:09:36] <bobirc> oh
[14-Mar-2007 15:10:25] <bobirc> so for each device you shoul decide to only use collected info or turn off automatic collection?
[14-Mar-2007 15:10:42] <chet> yeah. What are you entering by hand?
[14-Mar-2007 15:12:16] <bobirc> well, I don't know yet, but I was wondering if that would be a work aroiund for situations like this where SNMP is not provideing all the info
[14-Mar-2007 15:13:38] <bobirc> i am still trying to figure out how to think about the zenoss model -- I guess its device - servives -- proccesses
[14-Mar-2007 15:14:16] <_chris__> chet: does ifconfig return alias information?
[14-Mar-2007 15:14:27] <chet> yeah
[14-Mar-2007 15:14:32] <chet> wait..
[14-Mar-2007 15:16:36] <chet> What do you mean by alias? extra IP addresses or something like ifDescr?
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[14-Mar-2007 15:17:47] <_chris__> eth0:0 is an interface alias for eth0
[14-Mar-2007 15:17:53] <_chris__> eth0:1 is an interface alias for eth0
[14-Mar-2007 15:17:54] <_chris__> so -
[14-Mar-2007 15:17:59] <_chris__> i was just curious
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:01] <_chris__> i was in ifconfig last niht
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:03] <_chris__> night
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:10] <_chris__> and there's a regex that extracts the interface name from the ifconfig output
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:17] <_chris__> i'm not sure if it looks for eth(\d+)
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:32] <_chris__> or if it's like eth(\d+|:\d+)
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:33] <chet> oh, yeah.. it gets the aliases no problem.
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:33] <_chris__> you know?
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:35] <chet> I just tested it.
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:36] <_chris__> ahh ok
[14-Mar-2007 15:18:38] <_chris__> cool
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[14-Mar-2007 16:42:28] <bobirc> thanks, clris and chet for your help -- it will take me a while to upgrade to 1.1.1 to try this out, so I will finish later.
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[14-Mar-2007 17:30:02] <PerlStalker> I'm getting this error when I try to run a command on a remote server over ssh:
[14-Mar-2007 17:30:05] <PerlStalker> auth could not identify password for [user]
[14-Mar-2007 17:30:18] <PerlStalker> Where user is the name I'm trying to log in with.
[14-Mar-2007 17:30:26] <PerlStalker> What do I do to fix that?
[14-Mar-2007 17:32:02] <PerlStalker> Well, crap. Looks like it's a bug.
[14-Mar-2007 17:35:51] <PerlStalker> It it possible to tell zenoss to use a key instead of a password?
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[14-Mar-2007 17:55:50] <PerlStalker> Gah! I'm blind. I read right past zKeyPath about 27 times
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[15-Mar-2007 09:23:09] <PerlStalker> How can I tell if Zenoss is trying to run remote commands?
[15-Mar-2007 09:24:56] <chet> During which process? modeling or performance monitoring?
[15-Mar-2007 09:25:10] <PerlStalker> performance
[15-Mar-2007 09:26:06] <PerlStalker> I wrote a nagios plugin to check postfix queue sizes but I'm not getting performance graphs (they're no showing up at all)
[15-Mar-2007 09:26:14] <_chris_> PerlStalker: check the zencommand.log
[15-Mar-2007 09:26:57] <PerlStalker> _chris_: I have. There's nothing there.
[15-Mar-2007 09:27:12] <_chris_> did you restart zencommand?
[15-Mar-2007 09:27:33] <PerlStalker> Yes, but I'll do it again just to be sure.
[15-Mar-2007 09:28:23] <chet> You could run zencommand run -v 10 -d yourhost
[15-Mar-2007 09:29:02] <PerlStalker> Trying it now.
[15-Mar-2007 09:32:04] <PerlStalker> Should I see a line stating that it tried to run the command?
[15-Mar-2007 09:33:00] <_chris_> yup
[15-Mar-2007 09:33:35] <PerlStalker> I'm not seeing one so I guess it's not being run.
[15-Mar-2007 09:33:47] <spekul> hm guys.. i am at building a custom graph for traffic monitoring when youre billid with the 95%ile rule
[15-Mar-2007 09:34:42] <spekul> using ifInOctets_ifInOctets as data sources for my CDEF's
[15-Mar-2007 09:34:45] <PerlStalker> How does zenoss decide to use a performance template?
[15-Mar-2007 09:34:53] <spekul> but somehow there is nothing showing up.. only a placeholder
[15-Mar-2007 09:35:43] <spekul> ouh
[15-Mar-2007 09:36:00] <spekul> after reinvestigating on my custom definition.. hehe.. i got it
[15-Mar-2007 09:36:05] <spekul> sorry for the noise
[15-Mar-2007 09:36:11] <_chris_> no worries spekul
[15-Mar-2007 09:36:33] <spekul> i wondered if i had to restart some services
[15-Mar-2007 09:36:40] <spekul> and, btw, the custom field rox
[15-Mar-2007 09:37:20] <spekul> the only thing missing is, that it would be cool to define a time interval for it
[15-Mar-2007 09:39:24] <spekul> or am i just blind there?
[15-Mar-2007 09:39:43] <spekul> something like "this special graph should display the last 31 days"
[15-Mar-2007 09:39:50] <_chris_> ahhh i see
[15-Mar-2007 09:39:54] <_chris_> you can do that interactively
[15-Mar-2007 09:40:05] <spekul> with the buttons you mean
[15-Mar-2007 09:40:07] <_chris_> when you look at the graph there's a combo box you can clickity smack on that allows you to change the duration
[15-Mar-2007 09:40:10] <_chris_> right
[15-Mar-2007 09:40:14] <_chris_> but there's no config right now
[15-Mar-2007 09:40:26] <_chris_> that says "make graph #2 always show a past-31-days duration"
[15-Mar-2007 09:40:29] <spekul> what can be reasons that those buttons dont work?
[15-Mar-2007 09:40:37] <_chris_> they should work
[15-Mar-2007 09:41:04] <spekul> the < and > button works
[15-Mar-2007 09:41:12] <spekul> but the magnifying glasses dont
[15-Mar-2007 09:41:30] <spekul> they switch from gray to white but nothing else
[15-Mar-2007 09:41:32] <PerlStalker> You need to click on the graph
[15-Mar-2007 09:42:59] <spekul> arghs ok
[15-Mar-2007 09:43:04] <spekul> sorry again my fault
[15-Mar-2007 09:43:23] <spekul> i am not sure what made me behave like an enduser this time
[15-Mar-2007 09:43:25] <spekul> sorry.
[15-Mar-2007 09:43:57] <chet> PerlStalker: I just tried creating an ssh driven nagios plugin to see how it worked..
[15-Mar-2007 09:44:37] <chet> How did you create it? Did you make a local copy of the performance template on the device, then add your data source?
[15-Mar-2007 09:45:02] <PerlStalker> I created a new performance template
[15-Mar-2007 09:45:49] <chet> how?
[15-Mar-2007 09:46:39] <PerlStalker> I went to the PerfConf tab for the device class, put in a name for the template and clicked 'Add'
[15-Mar-2007 09:47:33] <chet> ahh.. what did you name it?
[15-Mar-2007 09:47:41] <spekul> ok now that i have this running.. is there a way to get the current time interval shown in the graph (selected through the buttons) to use it inside your custom rrd definitions?
[15-Mar-2007 09:47:47] <PerlStalker> postfix_mailq
[15-Mar-2007 09:48:00] <PerlStalker> Should I have overridden the Device thing?
[15-Mar-2007 09:48:14] <chet> PerlStalker: exactly.. "Device" is a magic name
[15-Mar-2007 09:48:19] <PerlStalker> Gotcha
[15-Mar-2007 09:48:56] <PerlStalker> Ok. Let's try this again.
[15-Mar-2007 10:00:18] <chet> spekul: It appears as though the custom field is evaluated as a tales expression. What kind of format are you looking for?
[15-Mar-2007 10:00:40] <chet> I think you could stick something like ${start} ${end}
[15-Mar-2007 10:11:34] <PerlStalker> Ah, that's better. Now I'm getting "command is not executable" events
[15-Mar-2007 10:19:06] <PerlStalker> So, this 'Use SSH' flag is important when talking to remote devices over SSH, huh?
[15-Mar-2007 10:19:11] <PerlStalker> Who'd a thunk it?
[15-Mar-2007 10:19:24] <chet> heh.. you, I would have expected.
[15-Mar-2007 10:19:26] * PerlStalker awards himself the I-D-10-T award for the day
[15-Mar-2007 10:22:54] <spekul> chet: need to come back with my shell later - then i am going to explain it in more detail
[15-Mar-2007 10:23:01] <spekul> chet/quit
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[15-Mar-2007 10:23:10] <chet> doh..
[15-Mar-2007 10:34:56] <PerlStalker> So how are the other performance templates used?
[15-Mar-2007 10:35:57] <PerlStalker> Are the names tied to DataCollector plugin names?
[15-Mar-2007 10:55:22] <chet> Nothing very specific. Any of the processes can look them up as they see fit.
[15-Mar-2007 10:55:43] <chet> zenperfsnmp looks interface templates up by their ifType.. like ethernetCsmacd
[15-Mar-2007 10:56:10] <PerlStalker> ok
[15-Mar-2007 10:56:19] <chet> DataCollectors are related to zenmodeler and really have nothing to do with performance templates.
[15-Mar-2007 10:57:33] <PerlStalker> Ok. So if I wanted to model a device like an AP that had performance data from a changing list of radios, I'd have to create a new model (derived from Device)
[15-Mar-2007 10:59:10] <chet> Try to remember that the "model" has nothing to do with the "performance"
[15-Mar-2007 10:59:20] <PerlStalker> ok.
[15-Mar-2007 10:59:58] <PerlStalker> Then, how would I approach such a setup?
[15-Mar-2007 11:00:48] <chet> Modeling it at this point would be a lot of know-how and work. You would need to create the datacollector plugins, the model classes themselves, the relationships to other model objects and the zope view.
[15-Mar-2007 11:01:20] <PerlStalker> Yowzah
[15-Mar-2007 11:02:04] <chet> Honestly, you'd probably waste a lot of time and never finish this pursuit.. =}
[15-Mar-2007 11:02:56] <PerlStalker> Are ZenPacks are supposed to make this process easier to create that mess or just package it?
[15-Mar-2007 11:05:37] <chet> Both.. they are actually documenting the process with an example zenpack too.
[15-Mar-2007 11:05:55] <PerlStalker> I see
[15-Mar-2007 11:06:24] <PerlStalker> That's the last piece I need to migrate off of my current NMS.
[15-Mar-2007 11:10:58] <chet> If you go to http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/trunk/inst/docs
[15-Mar-2007 11:10:58] <adytum-bot> Title: /trunk/inst/docs - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[15-Mar-2007 11:10:59] <chet> Check out ZenPack.txt, ZenPackNotes.txt and the HelloWorldZenPack directory.
[15-Mar-2007 11:11:02] <chet> You can get an idea for where they're going with it.
[15-Mar-2007 11:11:14] <PerlStalker> Shiny. Thanks for all the help
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[15-Mar-2007 14:33:13] <chet> Does anyone have graphing of performance data working on trunk?
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[15-Mar-2007 17:02:08] <monrad> anyone seen:
[15-Mar-2007 17:02:09] <monrad> Type: TypeError
[15-Mar-2007 17:02:10] <monrad> Value: list objects are unhashable
[15-Mar-2007 17:02:17] <monrad> i get it when i try to delete a class
[15-Mar-2007 17:24:33] <monrad> i think its because that class has an ' ' space after the name
[15-Mar-2007 17:28:44] <monrad> how do i wipe the zenoss database?
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[16-Mar-2007 08:20:39] <spekul> somebody there?
[16-Mar-2007 08:21:07] <spekul> yesterday i asked something related to custom rrd graphs
[16-Mar-2007 08:21:52] <spekul> when you manually create a graph with 'rrdtool graph', you provide a time range
[16-Mar-2007 08:22:12] <spekul> parameters on the commandline are --start and --end
[16-Mar-2007 08:23:00] <spekul> so when users zoom with the magnifying glases, this time range changes
[16-Mar-2007 08:24:14] <spekul> what i want to do is to calculate the total amount of traffic that went through an interface in the current time range
[16-Mar-2007 08:24:50] <spekul> this is for bandwith cost calculations for example, or to know if you exceeded your traffic quota you payed for
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[16-Mar-2007 08:34:54] <fritzi> anyone know if it's possible to pass the arguments added in the xml-rpc source as an array? instead of pasing them as individual parameters?
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[16-Mar-2007 13:49:11] <chet> I just posted a ethernetCsmacd performance template that uses 64bit counters to the zenoss-users mailing list if anyone is interested.
[16-Mar-2007 13:54:07] <PerlStalker> shiny
[16-Mar-2007 13:57:44] <PerlStalker> This is really annoying. I can get all my SNMP vars for a device with snmpget and zenmodeler can get what it needs from SNMP but zenperfsnmp is timing out
[16-Mar-2007 13:58:06] <chet> What version are you running?
[16-Mar-2007 13:58:15] <PerlStalker> 1.1
[16-Mar-2007 13:58:47] <PerlStalker> zenperfsnmp.py 1.10
[16-Mar-2007 14:00:58] <PerlStalker> It works fine for other devices but is failing for this one type
[16-Mar-2007 14:02:37] <monrad> chet: i made one yesterday myself
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[16-Mar-2007 17:32:40] <PerlStalker> Stupid crap hardware.
[16-Mar-2007 17:33:06] <PerlStalker> The SNMP daemon on the radio doesn't like it if you get more than 1 OID at once.
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[18-Mar-2007 05:34:54] <mturlot> Hi
[18-Mar-2007 05:35:01] <mturlot> maybe somebody can help me ?
[18-Mar-2007 05:35:39] <mturlot> i have problem to login on the zenoss console
[18-Mar-2007 05:35:56] <mturlot> the commande ./zpasswd.py -u admin -p admin inituser
[18-Mar-2007 05:36:11] <mturlot> seem to not change my problem
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[19-Mar-2007 02:05:00] <fulat2k> hi folks, i've setup a zenoss server (1.1.1) and it's monitoring a few RHEL servers. unfortunately, i can't seem to see the entire list of processing running on the servers. any idea if this could be a net-snmp config or zenoss config?
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[19-Mar-2007 09:22:59] <chet> Has anyone else noticed slower MySQL database performance on trunk than 1.1? It's most noticeable to me on the dashboard.
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[19-Mar-2007 10:38:30] <PerlStalker> Is it possible to create a custom report with graphs instead of (or in addition to) the raw numbers?
[19-Mar-2007 11:03:19] <chet> Yes, it's definitely possible. Take a look at /Reports/Performance Reports/Aggregate Reports
[19-Mar-2007 11:06:01] <PerlStalker> Ah, cool. Missed that one. :-)
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[19-Mar-2007 16:26:00] <monrad> anyone tried the upgrade of trunk?
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[19-Mar-2007 16:26:42] <chet> No.. was just thinking about it though.
[19-Mar-2007 16:28:29] <monrad> i just reverted to my backup
[19-Mar-2007 16:28:37] <chet> Didn't have any luck?
[19-Mar-2007 16:29:43] <monrad> no
[19-Mar-2007 16:37:14] <chet> I suppose I'll give it a try anyway.. my trunk install is relatively small.
[19-Mar-2007 16:38:24] <monrad> but i been quite busy with different stuff
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[19-Mar-2007 17:29:04] <chet> I took me a few tries, but I got that trunk upgrade done.
[19-Mar-2007 17:29:17] <chet> monrad: What problem were you running into? I think I must have hit them all.
[19-Mar-2007 17:31:03] <monrad> hehe
[19-Mar-2007 17:31:25] <monrad> just a sec i am doing a run of putting devices into zenoss
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[19-Mar-2007 17:39:02] <monrad> chet: did you follow the guide on the mailinglist?
[19-Mar-2007 17:39:36] <chet> Roughly.
[19-Mar-2007 17:40:20] <chet> I did need to use Ian's fix to get around the IpNetwork issue.
[19-Mar-2007 17:42:31] <monrad> that was the problem i ran into
[19-Mar-2007 17:45:10] <monrad> ahh i did not see that fix
[19-Mar-2007 17:45:12] <chet> twisted 2.5 is giving me problems with cmd data modelling..
[19-Mar-2007 17:45:48] <monrad> maybe i should give it a day or two
[19-Mar-2007 17:47:17] <chet> Probably.
[19-Mar-2007 17:47:27] <monrad> but thats not as fun
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[19-Mar-2007 20:46:03] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, hey
[19-Mar-2007 20:46:10] <_chris_> hey Snake-Eyes
[19-Mar-2007 20:46:36] <Snake-Eyes> how are things ?
[19-Mar-2007 20:48:11] <Snake-Eyes> I'm debating whether to put this changed zenoss plugin under my thread in zenoss-users or in the new zenoss-dev
[19-Mar-2007 20:48:54] <_chris_> things are good. pretty busy lately. how're things down in .au?
[19-Mar-2007 20:49:05] <_chris_> i'd push it over into zenoss-dev
[19-Mar-2007 20:52:18] <Snake-Eyes> alright, moving zenoss over to our soon to be production area
[19-Mar-2007 20:53:04] <Snake-Eyes> realised yesterday that zenoss apache plugin wouldnt work seeing most of our machines when running apache, run apache-ssl
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[19-Mar-2007 20:56:14] <Snake-Eyes> so I rewrote/added another collector for apache-ssl, with my limited python knowledge
[19-Mar-2007 21:01:09] <_chris_> nice! you should post that up on zenoss-dev!
[19-Mar-2007 21:11:07] <Snake-Eyes>
[19-Mar-2007 21:13:36] <Snake-Eyes> got remake the zenplugin deb again with the new common.py
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[19-Mar-2007 23:00:15] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, btw i posted the new collector (apache-ssl) for zenossplugin
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[20-Mar-2007 03:34:33] <Snake-Eyes> bah the InterfaceCollector stats it grabs from /proc/net/dev are max/overall stats not per second
[20-Mar-2007 03:53:55] <Snake-Eyes> hmm could tie it into uptime
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[20-Mar-2007 09:42:42] <chet> Does anyone know of a good way to run python-2.4 on CentOS 4?
[20-Mar-2007 09:43:04] <_chris_> chet: doesn't CentOS 4 come with python 2.4?
[20-Mar-2007 09:44:52] <_chris_> [chris@tilde ~]$ cat /etc/redhat-release
[20-Mar-2007 09:44:52] <_chris_> CentOS release 4.3 (Final)
[20-Mar-2007 09:44:52] <_chris_> [chris@tilde ~]$ python
[20-Mar-2007 09:44:53] <_chris_> Python 2.4.3 (#2, Jun 16 2006, 13:05:41)
[20-Mar-2007 09:45:11] <_chris_> oh wait
[20-Mar-2007 09:45:19] <_chris_> that must be something we built for ourselves
[20-Mar-2007 09:45:33] <_chris_> [chris@tilde ~]$ rpm -qa | grep python
[20-Mar-2007 09:45:39] <_chris_> python-2.3.4-14.2
[20-Mar-2007 09:45:47] <_chris_> we musta just built it from the source tarballs on python.org
[20-Mar-2007 09:47:57] <chet> yeah.. centos comes with 2.3.4
[20-Mar-2007 09:48:08] <chet> I should probably just stick a local copy in /opt/zenoss somewhere.
[20-Mar-2007 09:53:22] <_chris_> ours is in /usr/local/bin
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[20-Mar-2007 19:04:31] <Snake-Eyes> morning _chris_
[20-Mar-2007 19:04:41] <Snake-Eyes>
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[20-Mar-2007 19:13:21] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, did you write the zenoss plugins ?
[20-Mar-2007 19:13:31] <_chris_> Snake-Eyes: yup
[20-Mar-2007 19:15:01] <_chris_> they're on version 2 now
[20-Mar-2007 19:15:06] <_chris_> i would like to work on version 3
[20-Mar-2007 19:15:15] <_chris_> which will make it so that you don't have to install any software on the remote
[20-Mar-2007 19:15:27] <_chris_> but i haven't had the time
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[20-Mar-2007 19:16:41] <Snake-Eyes> ah ok
[20-Mar-2007 19:17:14] <Snake-Eyes> i was wondering, I noticed last night that in zenoss plugins 1.1.1
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[20-Mar-2007 19:22:17] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, last night I noticed that the network interface plugin is abit usless in its currect form, as the data it grabs from /proc/net/dev will always go up and is a total of all network traffic sent
[20-Mar-2007 19:22:40] <_chris_> are you referring to linux2.py?
[20-Mar-2007 19:22:45] <Snake-Eyes> yup
[20-Mar-2007 19:23:38] <Snake-Eyes> i was going to take the data it gets and divide it by the uptime, unless I'm ment to use it another way ?
[20-Mar-2007 19:23:50] <_chris_> ya -
[20-Mar-2007 19:23:55] <_chris_> it's the total of all network traffic sent
[20-Mar-2007 19:24:00] <_chris_> and then rrd calculates the rate for us
[20-Mar-2007 19:24:13] <_chris_> the types of the ifInOctets, ifOutOctets, etc is "COUNTER"
[20-Mar-2007 19:24:19] <_chris_> meaning it's always increasing
[20-Mar-2007 19:24:20] <Snake-Eyes> err
[20-Mar-2007 19:24:25] <Snake-Eyes> ah
[20-Mar-2007 19:24:46] <Snake-Eyes> i didnt set it to counter
[20-Mar-2007 19:25:51] <Snake-Eyes> thanks, didnt want to fiddle some more with python
[20-Mar-2007 19:27:12] <_chris_>
[20-Mar-2007 19:27:20] <_chris_> i've borked up the GAUGE/COUNTER thing before
[20-Mar-2007 19:27:27] <_chris_> got some really squirrely graphs too!
[20-Mar-2007 19:27:28] <_chris_>
[20-Mar-2007 19:27:38] <Snake-Eyes> hehe
[20-Mar-2007 19:30:17] <Snake-Eyes> how does zenoss (via ssh) tell if a service is up? cause i noticed that on machines with firewalls, it detects the service exists but soon as i set it to monitor, the service is reported down after few mins or so
[20-Mar-2007 19:34:02] <Snake-Eyes> hmm i should set ssCpu to Derive
[20-Mar-2007 19:38:59] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, is the a way to get dashboard to show more than just crit and error ?
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[20-Mar-2007 20:25:49] <Snake-Eyes> damn zenoss is detecting the speed of my network card as 0,
[20-Mar-2007 20:30:57] <Snake-Eyes> I cant use here.speed for any of the thresholds cause all machines using ssh, it thinks the speed is 0
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[21-Mar-2007 00:51:41] <spekul> morning
[21-Mar-2007 00:51:55] <spekul> still i have this question..
[21-Mar-2007 00:52:04] <spekul> maybe youre already tired
[21-Mar-2007 00:52:58] <spekul> i have a graph, calculation 95%ile for traffic account with a custom graph
[21-Mar-2007 00:53:32] <spekul> now i want to calculate the total sum of bytes sent in the currently displayed timeinterval
[21-Mar-2007 00:54:04] <spekul> when i manually call rrdtool, i supply --start and --end parameters for specifying this interval
[21-Mar-2007 00:54:22] <spekul> when zooming on the graph in zenoss, this interval grows or shrinks
[21-Mar-2007 00:55:08] <spekul> is there a way to reach this variable in the custom field so it gets replaced by the current time interval displayed?
[21-Mar-2007 00:55:20] <spekul> to be exact with an example:
[21-Mar-2007 00:55:27] <spekul> VDEF:in95=ifInBits,95,PERCENT
[21-Mar-2007 00:55:40] <spekul> this does the 95% calculation *wow*
[21-Mar-2007 00:56:13] <spekul> so i get the average bandwidth used per second
[21-Mar-2007 00:56:21] <spekul> i want to sum this like
[21-Mar-2007 00:56:48] <spekul> VDEF:in95total=in95,<TIMEINTERVAL>,*
[21-Mar-2007 00:57:24] <spekul> i dont know how to insert TIMEINTERVAL to map to what is currently selected with the magnifying glasses
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[21-Mar-2007 07:21:58] <monrad> hmm i still had no luck in updating to the new db
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[21-Mar-2007 13:08:57] <markw_> ok, question. I've got zenoss running on a RHEL 4 box. It
[21-Mar-2007 13:08:57] <markw_> starts, it runs, it discovers stuff. All is well, but... I go
[21-Mar-2007 13:08:57] <markw_> under the OS tab and it shows services running. 1, it doesn't
[21-Mar-2007 13:08:57] <markw_> show httpd which is running, and 2, it won't let me change some
[21-Mar-2007 13:09:06] <markw_> of the services from false to true for monitoring. any ideas?
[21-Mar-2007 13:09:32] <markw_> that's a pretty ugly cut and paste from our lug channel eh?
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[21-Mar-2007 13:37:13] <chet> markw_: You'll probably notice that the ones you can't change are only running on 127.0.0.1
[21-Mar-2007 13:37:29] <chet> Zenoss can't monitor those since they're only listening on the localhost adapter.
[21-Mar-2007 13:41:43] <chet> httpd is a special case.. due to the way it binds to support IPv4 and IPv6 at the same time, zenoss doesn't discover it properly.
[21-Mar-2007 13:42:18] <chet> If you change "Listen 80" to "Listen 0.0.0.0:80" in your httpd.conf file to disable the IPv6 support zenoss will discover it.
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[21-Mar-2007 19:59:34] <bsmith> ullo' /
[21-Mar-2007 20:24:06] <Snake-Eyes> hey
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[21-Mar-2007 21:27:17] <cdillardhsp> hi all
[21-Mar-2007 21:28:58] <cdillardhsp> I have an install of zenoss 1.1.1-0 on CentOS 4.4 and my graphs are all empty - actually they don't show up at all
[21-Mar-2007 21:29:16] <cdillardhsp> snmpwalk gives good results on all of my hosts
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[21-Mar-2007 21:32:29] <cdillardhsp> anyone got any ideas?
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[21-Mar-2007 22:15:30] <chet> cdillardhsp: restart zenperfsnmp and wait 15 minutes.
[21-Mar-2007 22:32:25] <Snake-Eyes> if you're using ssh as the transport procotol and have snmp and portscan plugins ignored, how does zenoss tell if a service is up or down?
[21-Mar-2007 22:33:01] <Snake-Eyes> I noticed that soon as i put up firewalls or the like on the remote machine, zenoss cant tell if theservice is up
[21-Mar-2007 22:53:47] <bsmith> services are probably detected via portscan primarily
[21-Mar-2007 22:54:04] <bsmith> but I'm not sure. i'm a noob at this app, but learning fast thru trial and error
[21-Mar-2007 23:01:54] <bsmith> anyone happen to know if i can get away with running two instances of 'zendisc' on two different sections of network at the same time?
[21-Mar-2007 23:06:49] <cdillardhsp> all of the names of the files in /perf/Devices/server1/os/interfaces/eth0 have duplicated names
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[21-Mar-2007 23:23:53] <cdillardhsp> anyone ever seen this before?
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[22-Mar-2007 00:07:33] <cdillardhsp> anyone here?
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[22-Mar-2007 00:11:51] <bsmith> just me
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[22-Mar-2007 00:16:23] <cdillardhsp> can you help me real quick?
[22-Mar-2007 00:16:50] <bsmith> i'll try. i'm kinda new here , but shoot
[22-Mar-2007 00:17:49] <cdillardhsp> none of my graphs are working. all of the snmp info from my target hosts is good in zenoss. I have noticed that the rrd files in ../perf/Devices have duplicate names. wondering if that could be part of the problem
[22-Mar-2007 00:18:58] <cdillardhsp> like this: ifOperStatus_ifOperStatus.rrd
[22-Mar-2007 00:19:05] <bsmith> well i don't know what caused it, but I think i know what i'd do...
[22-Mar-2007 00:19:12] <cdillardhsp> seems like they should be ifOperStatus.rrd
[22-Mar-2007 00:19:35] <bsmith> i'd probably try and remove those hosts, then rm any extra rrds, then add them back thru discovery, or device-add...
[22-Mar-2007 00:19:41] <bsmith> but that's totally off-the-cuff
[22-Mar-2007 00:20:00] <cdillardhsp> I'll try that but these were all newly added devices
[22-Mar-2007 00:20:07] <bsmith> are you using 1.1.1 ?
[22-Mar-2007 00:20:10] <cdillardhsp> yep
[22-Mar-2007 00:22:24] <Snake-Eyes> um ive noticed with snmp in zenoss, it tends to give the doulbe naming like that
[22-Mar-2007 00:23:06] <cdillardhsp> if all of the snmp data is good, why wouldn't the graphs show?
[22-Mar-2007 00:23:28] <Snake-Eyes> how long has it been runing for ?
[22-Mar-2007 00:23:40] <cdillardhsp> just an hour or so
[22-Mar-2007 00:24:22] <bsmith> they don't show up immediately, so perhaps they'll show up shortly.
[22-Mar-2007 00:24:43] <bsmith> but an hour would seem sufficient even at lower granularity settings
[22-Mar-2007 00:24:58] <cdillardhsp> yep
[22-Mar-2007 00:25:15] <cdillardhsp> and I've restarted the daemons a few times, plus run zenperfsnmp
[22-Mar-2007 00:25:33] <Snake-Eyes> i use zencommand , but you can try "zenperfsnmp run -v 10 -d machinesname"
[22-Mar-2007 00:26:49] <Snake-Eyes> i assume snmpwalk works fine
[22-Mar-2007 00:26:55] <cdillardhsp> yep
[22-Mar-2007 00:27:10] <cdillardhsp> I'm seeing disk utilization, all interface names, installed software, etc
[22-Mar-2007 00:27:46] <Snake-Eyes> if you look in perfConf
[22-Mar-2007 00:28:15] <Snake-Eyes> do you see datasources and graphs?
[22-Mar-2007 00:28:45] <cdillardhsp> yep
[22-Mar-2007 00:29:00] <cdillardhsp> and they all show the 'double names' in the graph section
[22-Mar-2007 00:29:07] <Snake-Eyes> eg Datasource aLoadInt5 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.5.2 and 0 Load Average 5 min laLoadInt5_laLoadInt5
[22-Mar-2007 00:29:15] <Snake-Eyes> yep, thats fine
[22-Mar-2007 00:29:54] <Snake-Eyes> did you say there was a graph with no data, or no graph at all ?
[22-Mar-2007 00:30:07] <cdillardhsp> no graph at all
[22-Mar-2007 00:31:51] <Snake-Eyes> I would try stopping zenoss compltetly (make sure theres no process hanging around after zenoss has stopped) then start it again
[22-Mar-2007 00:31:59] <bsmith> quick question, is there a 'batch' method by which i can take like 100 machines and add them to the same 'System' grouping?
[22-Mar-2007 00:32:06] <Snake-Eyes> and wait a few mins
[22-Mar-2007 00:32:14] <cdillardhsp> will try that
[22-Mar-2007 00:32:17] <bsmith> or, all machines of certain hostname prefix for that matter.
[22-Mar-2007 00:32:25] <cdillardhsp> meanwhile I've posted to the forums
[22-Mar-2007 00:32:34] <cdillardhsp> thanks for your help
[22-Mar-2007 00:32:56] <Snake-Eyes> bsmith, dunno, i did see something in the forums about command line to do something similiarly
[22-Mar-2007 00:33:09] <bsmith> yea. what is the cli named anyway?
[22-Mar-2007 00:33:14] <bsmith> i haven't played with that yet.
[22-Mar-2007 00:33:30] <bsmith> i was thinking i could probably go into mysql and do some fu there.
[22-Mar-2007 00:33:44] <bsmith> yea . i do recall seeing that in the forums.. i'll go back and look... thanks
[22-Mar-2007 00:34:10] <Snake-Eyes> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1480&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
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[22-Mar-2007 00:34:31] <bsmith> that's what i'm talking about, a cmd shell. nice
[22-Mar-2007 00:34:42] <bsmith> I'm going to have alot of fun with zenoss i hope
[22-Mar-2007 00:35:13] <bsmith> I have a discovery script running right now that has ~500 pushed in, and will probably be ~1000 hosts by morning.
[22-Mar-2007 00:35:36] <Snake-Eyes> now i got figure out how this python stuff works, altering zenoss plugin to give total free space (buffer+real+cache)
[22-Mar-2007 00:35:48] <Snake-Eyes> wow hehe
[22-Mar-2007 00:39:26] <bsmith> so the functionality i want is fixed in r4087, which means i'll probably spend time tomorrow converting to CVS builds
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[22-Mar-2007 06:42:06] <monrad> chet: around?
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[22-Mar-2007 11:49:32] <DXManiac> Hi all.. I've tried adding some commands to the EventManager, but they aren't executed..
[22-Mar-2007 11:49:46] <DXManiac> any ideas, where I could look what went wront?
[22-Mar-2007 11:49:49] <DXManiac> wrong even
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[22-Mar-2007 19:25:42] <cappy> the zendisc util doesn't work 100% of the time
[22-Mar-2007 19:25:47] <cappy> even if the snmp com is correct
[22-Mar-2007 19:27:57] <bsmith> hrm.. i just ran a script w/ a bunch of ./zendiscs and i think i got everthing
[22-Mar-2007 19:28:11] <bsmith> and that was in the neighborhood of 1000 hosts
[22-Mar-2007 19:28:27] <cappy> not me
[22-Mar-2007 19:28:37] <bsmith> however i will say that the initial discovery doesn't do as much as later 'Collect now' runs...
[22-Mar-2007 19:28:39] <cappy> it just keeps going through the list saying "no snmp found for ip = xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"
[22-Mar-2007 19:28:45] <bsmith> and I need to know how to bring them all up to date.
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:05] <bsmith> and of course you know those machines are up and have snmp running, correct community etc.
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:09] <bsmith> it's just like intermittent?
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:25] <cappy> yeah
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:28] <cappy> something like that
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:37] <bsmith> are the targets in question heavily loaded?
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:38] <cappy> and it's not very intermittent
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:42] <cappy> out of a class c range
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:46] <cappy> i get maybe 5 hosts
[22-Mar-2007 19:29:49] <cappy> nah
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[22-Mar-2007 19:29:58] <bsmith> hrm. that's no good.
[22-Mar-2007 19:30:05] <cappy> no it's not
[22-Mar-2007 19:30:09] <cappy> it's quite irritating
[22-Mar-2007 19:30:26] <cappy> it picks up hosts i don't want it to pick up and it won't pick up hosts i want it to pick up
[22-Mar-2007 19:31:57] <bsmith> how are you separating the two?
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:02] <bsmith> pickup/nopickup
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:09] <cappy> i'm not
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:14] <cappy> i just run a zendisc on the entire class
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:15] <cappy> and let it go
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:25] <bsmith> ./zendisc run --net 10.16.172.0
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:26] <cappy> it just picks up things i wasn't expecting it to pick up
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:31] <cappy> pretty much
[22-Mar-2007 19:32:42] <bsmith> why wouldn you expect it to not pick something up?
[22-Mar-2007 19:33:03] <bsmith> mine walks the switch fine, but not the switches vrrp IP's which don't speak snmp;
[22-Mar-2007 19:33:19] <bsmith> and hits every host (net-snmp 5.1 and 5.2 clients on linux)
[22-Mar-2007 19:35:14] <bsmith> what sort of hosts do you have?
[22-Mar-2007 19:35:37] <cappy> just linux hosts
[22-Mar-2007 19:35:40] <cappy> and some management interfaces
[22-Mar-2007 19:35:49] <cappy> but the net i'm walking doesn't have management stuff
[22-Mar-2007 19:35:51] <cappy> so it's all linux hosts
[22-Mar-2007 19:36:17] <cappy> but the problem still remains i can't use zendisc properly
[22-Mar-2007 19:36:25] <cappy> i wish there was an alternate way of importing the hosts
[22-Mar-2007 19:37:13] <bsmith> there is i believe
[22-Mar-2007 19:37:23] <bsmith> if you can format up a list in xml
[22-Mar-2007 19:37:36] <bsmith> i believe there may even be a text way
[22-Mar-2007 19:38:05] <cappy> dunno bout xml part
[22-Mar-2007 19:38:07] <cappy> would like text
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[22-Mar-2007 20:10:31] <bsmith> anyone here that can talk scaling?
[22-Mar-2007 20:10:45] <bsmith> ie, which services to split out to a 2nd server.
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[23-Mar-2007 00:15:14] <bsmith> anybody lurking around?
[23-Mar-2007 02:27:18] <Snake-Eyes> yup
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[23-Mar-2007 09:50:48] <akemi> this zenoss stuff looks so neat, but i'm getting bogged down trying to set it all up
[23-Mar-2007 09:51:21] <chet> Yup.. setting it up is a huge project for sure.
[23-Mar-2007 09:53:19] <chet> Are you running into any problems, or is it just the amount of organization/input that's getting you down?
[23-Mar-2007 09:53:24] <akemi> we don't have any unix boxes
[23-Mar-2007 09:53:34] <akemi> i was trying with the vmplayer thing
[23-Mar-2007 09:53:59] <akemi> but i can't get it to see the snmp devices for some reason
[23-Mar-2007 09:54:06] <akemi> i'm thinking that the vmplayer thingisn't a very good test
[23-Mar-2007 09:56:37] <chet> I agree with you there. If you have any unix administration experience you'd probably be better off installing CentOS or something of that nature in a VM and installing Zenoss to it.
[23-Mar-2007 09:58:15] <chet> All of the community helpers on here and the mailing list have experience with this setup, and typically provide better answers.
[23-Mar-2007 09:58:49] <chet> However, if you don't have unix admin experience, and don't have the time/desire to gain some I'd really suggest that you look elsewhere for NMS.
[23-Mar-2007 10:00:07] <akemi> any suggestions
[23-Mar-2007 10:00:10] <akemi> ?
[23-Mar-2007 10:01:44] <chet> MOM or What's Up Gold are good for Windows only environments.
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[23-Mar-2007 10:22:05] <akemi> ok i'll look at them
[23-Mar-2007 10:23:32] <akemi> do you know what the best opensource/freeware one is?
[23-Mar-2007 10:23:39] <akemi> that will run under windows :|
[23-Mar-2007 10:31:56] <chet> Afraid not.. obviously open source developers concentrate more on open source operating systems.
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[23-Mar-2007 12:45:42] <Spec> zenoss was set up on this server before me, and i'm trying to "get it to work", but some of the services aren't starting, and there's a bunch of errors in the logfiles saying: "Column count doesn't match value count at row 1", where's a good place for documentation on troubleshooting this?
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[23-Mar-2007 12:48:07] <_chris_> Spec: you probably need to run zenmigrate
[23-Mar-2007 12:48:17] <_chris_> what version of zenoss do you have?
[23-Mar-2007 12:49:39] <Spec> looks like it's zenoss-1.1.0
[23-Mar-2007 12:49:44] <Spec> zenmigrate?
[23-Mar-2007 12:54:31] <_chris_> when column counts are wrong
[23-Mar-2007 12:54:40] <_chris_> it usually means your database is an old schema
[23-Mar-2007 12:54:46] <_chris_> and needs to be updated to be in sync with the software
[23-Mar-2007 12:54:50] <_chris_> as the zenoss user
[23-Mar-2007 12:54:52] <_chris_> cd ${ZENHOME}/bin
[23-Mar-2007 12:54:58] <_chris_> ./zenmigrate commit
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:04] <_chris_> it might be ./zenmigrate --commit
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:07] <_chris_> or ./zenmigrate run
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:11] <_chris_> or
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:12] <_chris_> ./zenmigrate run --commit
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:17] <_chris_> i don't recall because that changed recently
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:22] <_chris_> and i don't remember the old args
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:30] <_chris_> run zenmigrate --help and it'll tell you
[23-Mar-2007 12:55:33] <_chris_> give that a shot
[23-Mar-2007 12:57:03] <Spec> migration successful
[23-Mar-2007 12:57:57] <_chris_> do you still get the error?
[23-Mar-2007 12:58:09] <Spec>
[23-Mar-2007 12:58:10] <Spec> nope
[23-Mar-2007 12:58:12] <Spec> thanks much
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[23-Mar-2007 12:58:16] <_chris_> huzzah!
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:09] <Spec> so that vmplayer appliance image thingy on the zenoss website....
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:16] <_chris_> yup
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:19] <Spec> will that work with all vmware products? (esx/gsx/workstation)?
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:23] <_chris_> yup
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:25] <_chris_> well
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:27] <_chris_> with esx
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:38] <Spec> i see
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:38] <_chris_> i think you have to convert our image into their "optimized" format
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:46] <_chris_> but it's the same thing for everyone else's images
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:47] <Spec> with what tool?
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:56] <_chris_> the VMWare Infrastructure Client
[23-Mar-2007 12:59:58] <_chris_> or soemthing like that
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:01] <Spec> ah, ok,
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:03] <_chris_> we've just started poking around at ESX
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:07] <_chris_> i dunno how to use it
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:08] <Spec> we use esx
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:13] <_chris_> i just use the server
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:15] <Spec> i know how to use esx well,
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:30] <Spec> you just poke buttons and things work automagically, really
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:31] <_chris_> it'd be cool if you could post whatever steps you had to do to get our image to run in ESX
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:37] <_chris_> to zenoss-dev@zenoss.com
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:40] <_chris_> right -
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:44] <_chris_> we don't know the buttons to poke
[23-Mar-2007 13:00:46] <Spec> well, i haven't touched the image, i was setting it up manually
[23-Mar-2007 13:01:02] <Spec> but i think i'll try it out, just 'cause i've got it set up and others may learn from the experience
[23-Mar-2007 13:03:01] <_chris_> i seem to recall us talking about having to rekajigger the kernel
[23-Mar-2007 13:03:05] <_chris_> to be optimized for ESX
[23-Mar-2007 13:03:07] <_chris_> can't recall tho
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[23-Mar-2007 14:00:02] <Spec> so zenoss gets all of it's data (cpu/proc list/etc) via snmp?
[23-Mar-2007 14:00:35] <bsmith> well i think i blew my zope indexes somehow.. lame
[23-Mar-2007 14:01:07] <bsmith> anyone know when 1.2 is slated for?
[23-Mar-2007 14:04:17] <monrad> look at the roadmap
[23-Mar-2007 14:04:47] <monrad> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/roadmap
[23-Mar-2007 14:04:47] <adytum-bot> Title: Roadmap - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[23-Mar-2007 14:04:47] <bsmith> thanks
[23-Mar-2007 14:05:00] <bsmith> dunno how i missed that
[23-Mar-2007 14:11:50] <bsmith> here's a question i don't think i've seen on explicitly on the forums... when you do a discovery, I believe the expected behaviour is to not look at HOST-RESOURCES, eg, it only gets a subset of the full snmp pull...
[23-Mar-2007 14:12:26] <bsmith> and then when I move a box from /Discovered to /Systems/Linux (or otherwise) , then I can 'Collect' against it and get more info, such as the RPM list on the software tab.
[23-Mar-2007 14:13:03] <bsmith> am i missing an automated way of getting all of that info? or will it poll in the next X hours, and get that stuff?
[23-Mar-2007 14:13:25] <bsmith> zendmd commands?
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[23-Mar-2007 14:44:38] <Spec> so...anyone wanna clarify this crazy snmp stuff for me?
[23-Mar-2007 14:44:58] <bsmith> at it's basic?
[23-Mar-2007 14:45:41] <bsmith> SNMPd (net-snmp pkg on linux) listens on port :161 of your boxes, and switches/routers , etc if config'd right.
[23-Mar-2007 14:45:47] <bsmith> too basic?
[23-Mar-2007 14:47:39] <Spec> nope
[23-Mar-2007 14:47:47] <Spec> i mean, i knew that
[23-Mar-2007 14:48:09] <Spec> I don't know how much configuration is necessary on the boxes-to-be-monitored
[23-Mar-2007 14:48:11] <bsmith> you have your community names straight between zenoss and your devices?
[23-Mar-2007 14:48:14] <Spec> net-snmp? it's not snmpd?
[23-Mar-2007 14:48:29] <bsmith> net-snmp is the name of the package that contains snmpd.. on RH variants anyway
[23-Mar-2007 14:48:32] <bsmith> what linux are you running?
[23-Mar-2007 14:48:35] <Spec> debian
[23-Mar-2007 14:49:11] <bsmith> ok, snmpd on debian, yea
[23-Mar-2007 14:49:14] <Spec> So how do you configure snmpd for zenoss?
[23-Mar-2007 14:49:23] <Spec> 'snmpconf'?
[23-Mar-2007 14:49:37] <bsmith> zProperties tab.. or lemme check here...
[23-Mar-2007 14:49:59] <Spec> does snmpd need to run on the zenoss box and the other box that's going to be monitored?
[23-Mar-2007 14:50:35] <bsmith> Devices in the UI -> zProperties
[23-Mar-2007 14:50:44] <bsmith> on the monitored box
[23-Mar-2007 14:51:11] <bsmith> if you run on your zenoss box:
[23-Mar-2007 14:51:17] <bsmith> ./zenoss status
[23-Mar-2007 14:51:28] <bsmith> you should see (among other things):
[23-Mar-2007 14:51:36] <bsmith> Daemon: zenperfsnmp program running; pid=22843
[23-Mar-2007 14:52:07] <bsmith> you'll probably want to run snmpd on your zenoss server too, but it's not expressly necessary in order to model clients
[23-Mar-2007 14:52:40] <Spec> everything's running on the zenoss-box
[23-Mar-2007 14:52:57] <Spec> so what needs to be done on the clients?
[23-Mar-2007 14:53:38] <bsmith> snmpd needs to run on your clients, with the same community string defined in snmpd.conf
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:16] <bsmith> if all your ducks are in a row, then you can run ./zendisc run --net x.x.x.x against a network and get everything
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:17] <Spec> so a very-very simple config file for snmpd is fine?
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:22] <bsmith> yup
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:25] <chet> bsmith: zenmodeler runs every 12 hours by default and will model the extended attributes of your devices if you move them into the appropriate class.
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:34] <bsmith> nice, thanks chet.
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:51] <bsmith> also, chet. i saw some irc logs from last december i think where you were looking to do distributed perf
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:55] <bsmith> how did that work out for you?
[23-Mar-2007 14:54:55] <chet> spec: Something as simple as "rocommunity public" in /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf works fine.
[23-Mar-2007 14:55:06] <chet> bsmith: It works fine.
[23-Mar-2007 14:55:20] <Spec> should i be able to snmpwalk to that computer from the zenoss box?
[23-Mar-2007 14:55:23] <bsmith> cool. i'll likely need to spread the laod if I keep at this
[23-Mar-2007 14:55:28] <bsmith> yes
[23-Mar-2007 14:55:51] <chet> Spec: yes.. snmpwalk -v2c -c public <target> system
[23-Mar-2007 14:55:58] <bsmith> do you have a firewall on that box?
[23-Mar-2007 14:56:45] <Spec> no, not between the two
[23-Mar-2007 14:56:50] <Spec> i'm getting no response
[23-Mar-2007 14:56:51] <Spec> from the client
[23-Mar-2007 14:57:03] <Spec> (on zenoss-box: snmpwalk -v2c -c public 192.168.10.48 system)
[23-Mar-2007 14:58:08] <Spec> what is "netstat -anp|grep -i snmp" on the client supposed to return?
[23-Mar-2007 14:58:27] <Spec> because it looks like snmpd is only "listening" to requests on 127.0.0.1:161
[23-Mar-2007 14:58:54] <chet> odd, that must be a debian thing
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:00] <chet> See if you have /etc/defaults/snmpd
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:06] <bsmith> there ya go
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:24] <Spec> hehe
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:24] <Spec>
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:33] <bsmith> so. i corrupted my zeodb i think.
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:53] <Spec> woohoo, snmpwalk
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:55] <chet> Why?
[23-Mar-2007 14:59:56] <bsmith> if reindex() doesn't fix it, do i stand much hope?
[23-Mar-2007 15:00:10] <chet> Perhaps, I've recovered from some ugly stuff with enough digging.
[23-Mar-2007 15:00:13] <chet> What's your exception?
[23-Mar-2007 15:00:29] <bsmith> well. i've seen python traces come thru the interfaces eluding to index problems
[23-Mar-2007 15:00:43] <chet> Could you pastebin it?
[23-Mar-2007 15:00:57] <bsmith> This is my first couple of days with the app so i'v been "putting it thru it's paces" being very hard on it
[23-Mar-2007 15:01:08] <bsmith> if i can recreate i'll paste
[23-Mar-2007 15:01:23] <chet> It's good to learn how to fix hideous problems before you've put a ton of time into data input.
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:13] <bsmith> basically i also saw wrong hostnames show up in other records and that didn't seem like a good thing
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:13] <bsmith> I'm probably going to try and re-install and rediscover my whole network. as I'm stil in pre-prod evaluation mode.. i can do that
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:13] <bsmith> will take 30 hours to re-walk i figure.
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:28] <bsmith> agreed.
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:38] <bsmith> I will put some time in attempting to fix before resorting to that
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:43] <bsmith> i have ~1100 hosts
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:49] <bsmith> here is a trace:
[23-Mar-2007 15:03:50] <bsmith> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 77, in processClient changed = self._applyDataMap(device, datamap) File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 118, in _applyDataMap changed = self._updateRelationship(tobj, datamap) File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/ApplyDataMap.py", line 131, in _updateRelationship rel = getattr(device, rname, None) File "u
[23-Mar-2007 15:04:16] <bsmith> Connection.py", line 701, in setstate ConnectionStateError: Shouldn't load state for 0x01220f when the connection is closed
[23-Mar-2007 15:04:46] <bsmith> definite index problem.. in the area below that.. (this was a 'Collect' i was running..)
[23-Mar-2007 15:05:01] <bsmith> i see elements from two differnt hosts
[23-Mar-2007 15:05:13] <chet> wow.. that is bad.
[23-Mar-2007 15:05:27] <bsmith> yea. next time i will take an immediate backup after getting discovered
[23-Mar-2007 15:05:33] <bsmith> for starters
[23-Mar-2007 15:05:45] <bsmith> i like what this app has to offer, i really want to see it work
[23-Mar-2007 15:05:57] <chet> If it takes you 30 hours to model the network in the first place, you should make sure that zenmodeler isn't running in daemon mode.
[23-Mar-2007 15:06:11] <bsmith> oh yea?
[23-Mar-2007 15:06:26] <bsmith> as in, it will be faster? or in , it's a bad idea?
[23-Mar-2007 15:06:36] <chet> It tries to make a pass every 12 hours under normal circumstances.. you don't want it stepping on its own toes.
[23-Mar-2007 15:06:43] <bsmith> ah.
[23-Mar-2007 15:06:50] <bsmith> last time i split it into two lads
[23-Mar-2007 15:06:53] <bsmith> loads
[23-Mar-2007 15:06:56] <bsmith> thanks for the tip
[23-Mar-2007 15:07:42] <bsmith> can I do a non-snmp discovery faster, and then let the 12 hour run bring everything up to date?
[23-Mar-2007 15:08:19] <bsmith> no biggie anyway this time. i have to leave town this weekend, and can let a script-in-screen run go crazy
[23-Mar-2007 15:10:25] <bsmith> thanks for the help chet.. I'll be continuing the eval this
[23-Mar-2007 15:10:50] <bsmith> I expect to have ~3000 hosts in no time.
[23-Mar-2007 15:13:17] <chet> That'll be a good test. I don't know of anyone with that many devices at this point.
[23-Mar-2007 15:13:34] <chet> Make sure you subscribe to the users mailing list if you haven't already.
[23-Mar-2007 15:13:41] <bsmith> you see why i asked about your perf breakout
?[23-Mar-2007 15:13:47] <bsmith> will do
[23-Mar-2007 15:15:44] <monrad> which kind of hosts?
[23-Mar-2007 15:18:00] <bsmith> all linux, handful of SUN, S50 switches
[23-Mar-2007 15:18:20] <bsmith> possibly juniper routers, and some other devices... but mostly net-snmp on RH/FC/CentOS
[23-Mar-2007 15:35:46] <Spec> the hostname of the box that zenoss was originally set up on was changed....but when I go to the Dashboard I see the old hostname(domainname) under "Devices with Events", but it's not underlined/clickable, and I can't see it under the "Devices" menu, so how can I get rid of the device?
[23-Mar-2007 15:36:04] <chet> Go to the "Event Manager" and clear heartbeats
[23-Mar-2007 15:36:25] <Spec> still there
[23-Mar-2007 15:36:43] <chet> Then go to "Events" and move any events associated to the old address into history.
[23-Mar-2007 15:37:11] <Spec> ah, thanks
[23-Mar-2007 15:37:37] <chet> Changing the hostname of the zenoss system can be one of the more painful things to do. =}
[23-Mar-2007 15:37:51] <Spec> well, it seems all good now
[23-Mar-2007 15:46:06] <Spec> so what do you need to do to bring up the 'software' and 'hardware' information in the tabs for a particular system?
[23-Mar-2007 15:46:31] <bsmith> Spec, are the systems still in /Discovered ?
[23-Mar-2007 15:46:36] <Spec> no
[23-Mar-2007 15:46:54] <Spec> also, how do I make it discover all systems on a subnet?
[23-Mar-2007 15:47:06] <bsmith> ./zendisc run --net x.x.x.x
[23-Mar-2007 15:47:14] <bsmith> as uid zenoss from ./zenoss/bin
[23-Mar-2007 15:47:39] <Spec> and that'll put the new machines into /Discovered?
[23-Mar-2007 15:47:43] <bsmith> yup.
[23-Mar-2007 15:48:03] <bsmith> so, you can't get the HW/SW info during that discovery if i understand correct.
[23-Mar-2007 15:48:19] <Spec> the zendisc one?
[23-Mar-2007 15:48:23] <bsmith> you have to move them, and then wait and let the discovery service finish the job. this is what i've learned
[23-Mar-2007 15:48:29] <bsmith> yup
[23-Mar-2007 15:48:46] <Spec> so i just wait (a while?) for this zendisc to finish?
[23-Mar-2007 15:48:48] <bsmith> or else go into individual devices and do 'Collect' from the manage menu
[23-Mar-2007 15:49:01] <Spec> i did 'Collect' for a few things
[23-Mar-2007 15:49:03] <bsmith> yea. my Class-C's with ~40 hosts took ~30 minutes per
[23-Mar-2007 15:49:06] <Spec> I got the mountlist, for example,
[23-Mar-2007 15:49:18] <Spec> but I didn't get how much space was left
[23-Mar-2007 15:49:25] <bsmith> but that was because a couple of boxes had no snmp and therefore had to timeout
[23-Mar-2007 15:49:37] <Spec> lots of my boxes have no snmp and must timeout
[23-Mar-2007 15:49:38] <bsmith> right, i'm right there with ya spec
[23-Mar-2007 15:50:05] <chet> Spec: You won't get the free space stats until zenperfsnmp has had a chance to run over it.
[23-Mar-2007 15:50:17] <Spec> can i manually make zenperfsnmp do it's thing?
[23-Mar-2007 15:50:18] <chet> That's not actually part of modeling strangely enough.
[23-Mar-2007 15:50:23] <chet> Yeah.. zenperfsnmp restart
[23-Mar-2007 15:50:51] <chet> Still might take 10 or 15 minutes to get the RRD files into a usable state.
[23-Mar-2007 15:51:22] <Spec> So for one of the server's that's already under Devices/Server/Linux/Debian/foobarserver
[23-Mar-2007 15:51:36] <Spec> Clicking on "Collect" doesn't give me Hardware or Software information,
[23-Mar-2007 15:51:52] <Spec> do I have to run zendisc specifically against the ip of that host?
[23-Mar-2007 15:52:08] <chet> nope
[23-Mar-2007 15:52:31] <chet> That would just indicate that the system isn't exposing that information through SNMP.
[23-Mar-2007 15:53:32] <Spec> How do I get snmpd to expose all the information that zenoss can use?
[23-Mar-2007 15:56:08] <chet> For a Linux system, there's currently no good way to get hardware information out of snmp.
[23-Mar-2007 15:56:38] <bsmith> you mean like CPU type etc. right?
[23-Mar-2007 15:57:13] <bsmith> yea. like on my HP DL385's the snmpd is tweaked to call this:
[23-Mar-2007 15:57:16] <bsmith> dlmod cmaX /usr/lib64/libcmaX64.so
[23-Mar-2007 15:57:22] <bsmith> which gives you some cool stuff.
[23-Mar-2007 15:57:34] <bsmith> my 'off the shelf' boxes don't do that :/
[23-Mar-2007 15:59:48] <Spec> chet: what about software information?
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[23-Mar-2007 16:00:44] <chet> Make sure HRSWInstalledMap isn't listed in the zCollectorIgnorePlugins property of the device and that should work.
[23-Mar-2007 16:13:24] <bsmith> irc spammer, nice
[23-Mar-2007 16:13:37] <bsmith> class joint ya guys run here
[23-Mar-2007 16:13:42] <bsmith> j/k
[23-Mar-2007 16:16:27] <Spec> so...i've got process monitoring working fine
[23-Mar-2007 16:16:55] <bsmith> I'm doing initial discovery again on a fresh install
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:07] <bsmith> question: what is the minimum services i need running to do this.
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:26] <bsmith> after successful install there are only 2 services running, (probably fine)
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:26] <bsmith> Daemon: zeoctl program running; pid=7935
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:27] <bsmith> Daemon: zopectl program running; pid=8064
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:29] <Spec> so now that proc monitoring is working....how do I go about monitoring disk space usage/memory usage/cpu usage?
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:50] <chet> zeoctl and mysql are the only ones required to do the discovery.
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:58] <chet> zopectl if you want the web interface.
[23-Mar-2007 16:17:59] <bsmith> thanks chet.
[23-Mar-2007 16:18:10] <bsmith> have a good weekend everyone
[23-Mar-2007 16:18:22] <bsmith> i'm leaving everything else down until i've re-disc'd
[23-Mar-2007 16:18:28] <chet> Spec: Disk/CPU/Memory are probably already being monitored.
[23-Mar-2007 16:18:36] <bsmith> good luck Spec... we'll get there.
[23-Mar-2007 16:18:39] <Spec> how can I check?
[23-Mar-2007 16:18:42] <Spec> bsmith: good luck to you too
[23-Mar-2007 16:19:10] <Spec> on the "OS" tab I don't see any information about interfaces or routes, that's probably snmpd configuration stuff as well, right?
[23-Mar-2007 16:20:29] <Spec> for one server I can see the mount list and total bytes, but not used bytes/free bytes/% util, and on the zenoss-server's Device's entry, I cant' even see the mountlist
[23-Mar-2007 16:27:55] <Spec> zenperfsnmp no longer runs :-/
[23-Mar-2007 16:27:59] <Spec> and the log file is empty
[23-Mar-2007 16:28:09] <Spec> if I do "zenperfsnmp run" I get a traceback
[23-Mar-2007 16:29:05] <Spec> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11748/
[23-Mar-2007 16:29:07] <adytum-bot> Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[23-Mar-2007 16:29:25] <bsmith> wow.. neat paste app..how'd you do that?
[23-Mar-2007 16:29:38] <Spec> hmm?
[23-Mar-2007 16:29:53] <bsmith> never mind. i found the base page
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[23-Mar-2007 16:42:06] <bsmith> anyone on bulk adding networks to the dmd via zendmd or otherwise?
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[23-Mar-2007 17:37:49] <bsmith> ?
[23-Mar-2007 17:37:58] <bsmith> you pregnant Spec?
[23-Mar-2007 17:38:35] <x-spec-ting> nope, but i'm leaving
[23-Mar-2007 17:38:55] <x-spec-ting> i'm expecting to be back tuesday, i'll annoy ya'll with zenoss questions then
[23-Mar-2007 18:18:22] <bsmith> same for me x-spec
[23-Mar-2007 18:18:30] <bsmith> out of town until tuesday, then lots of zenoss
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[26-Mar-2007 09:33:19] <AliasNescio> Can anybody tell me how well zenoss scales, ballpark figures how many server monitored which what hardware
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[26-Mar-2007 09:50:26] <brendan_> Hello, i've got a bunch of servers and whatnot behind a firewall i need to monitor from outside the firewal, is there some sort of relay or agent for zenoss, or do i need to run zenoss inside the firewall
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[26-Mar-2007 10:49:24] <PerlStalker> brendan_: You need to put a monitor thing inside the firewall
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[26-Mar-2007 10:52:15] <PerlStalker> I have an issue with zensyslog I'd like to try and sort out.
[26-Mar-2007 10:52:42] <PerlStalker> I have zensyslog running on port 10514 and syslog-ng running on 514
[26-Mar-2007 10:53:05] <PerlStalker> My servers log to syslog-ng over the net and that gets thrown into MySQL
[26-Mar-2007 10:53:26] <PerlStalker> I'd like to send error and greater messages to zenoss, which I have setup
[26-Mar-2007 10:53:59] <PerlStalker> But ... when the messages hit zenoss, I lose all host information so I don't know where the message are coming from.
[26-Mar-2007 10:54:18] <PerlStalker> Is there something I can do about that within zensyslog or syslog-ng?
[26-Mar-2007 10:58:14] <PerlStalker> The simple solution would be to config my devices to log to the different port but few of devices have the option to set a port.
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[26-Mar-2007 11:00:45] <PerlStalker> And I don't want to bypass my SQL logging
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[26-Mar-2007 11:13:57] <chet> PerlStalker: syslog-ng does provide a way to do that if the --enable-spoof-source option is compiled in.. if you got a packaged version it likely is.
[26-Mar-2007 11:14:10] <chet> You can stick spoof_source(yes) in the destination stanza.
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[26-Mar-2007 11:14:44] <chet> like: destination zenoss { udp("127.0.0.1" port(10514) spoof_source(yes)); };
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[26-Mar-2007 11:15:29] <PerlStalker> I see.
[26-Mar-2007 11:16:25] <PerlStalker> Hmm. It seems the gentoo ebuild does not add that.
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[26-Mar-2007 11:19:35] <REdOG> PerlStalker: what ebuild do you have?
[26-Mar-2007 11:19:57] <PerlStalker> app-admin/syslog-ng/syslog-ng-1.6.11-r1.ebuild
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[26-Mar-2007 11:31:35] <REdOG> err, sry i ment of zenoss
[26-Mar-2007 11:32:00] <PerlStalker> I'm using zenoss 1.1.1 from source
[26-Mar-2007 11:32:14] <REdOG> k
[26-Mar-2007 11:33:04] <REdOG> the ebuild for 1.0.2 at bugs.gentoo.org is fubar
[26-Mar-2007 11:33:37] <PerlStalker> Gotcha
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[26-Mar-2007 11:48:16] <jp10558> Hi, I'm having some small issues with zenoss 1.1.1 on Scientific Linux 4 - specifically, the same thing is happening that happened with the VMWare image - I can get perf graphs for the machine it is installed on, but any other windows or linux machine I try, I get event errors with various bad OIDs listed
[26-Mar-2007 11:54:08] <jp10558> Is there any easy way to fix this? Or to find/install whatever it needs for that?
[26-Mar-2007 11:58:11] <AliasNescio> I want to know about zenoss' scaling how many server can be monitored
[26-Mar-2007 11:59:21] <chet> AliasNescio: There are a lot of factors involved with that question..
[26-Mar-2007 11:59:35] <chet> It depends on how many, and what type of data points you monitor on each server.
[26-Mar-2007 12:00:31] <chet> SNMP only performs very well. You can easily monitor over 200k data points on a modern server like a Dell 2850.
[26-Mar-2007 12:00:54] <AliasNescio> chet: lets say you monitor cpu load, mem use, disk use, plus 1-2 http pages perserver
[26-Mar-2007 12:02:42] <chet> The http pages are going to be the hit there. You could probably monitor 1000 of these servers off one 2850 like server..
[26-Mar-2007 12:03:13] <chet> Any more than that and you'd need another monitoring server, or to create a dedicated http monitoring daemon, which is in the works from what I hear.
[26-Mar-2007 12:03:39] <AliasNescio> i'm used to hp hadrware som 2850 doe not tell me very much can specify what that entails
[26-Mar-2007 12:04:14] <chet> Dual 3Ghz with hyperthreading.. 2+ GB of RAM.
[26-Mar-2007 12:04:32] <AliasNescio> ok, thanks
[26-Mar-2007 12:04:38] <chet> I only mention that because it's what I do most of my testing on.
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[26-Mar-2007 12:57:52] <jp10558> Is a Warning of No CMD plugins found on creating a new device a problem? I get this with every device I add
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[26-Mar-2007 13:24:12] <sobersabre> hi. some ... newbie q.-s
[26-Mar-2007 13:24:34] <sobersabre> is zenoss able to manage unified UNIX/windows users ?
[26-Mar-2007 13:26:09] <sobersabre> does the source distribution contain documentation ?
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[26-Mar-2007 13:31:28] <clippyoff> hi, is zenoss centralized or can I install event collecting agents on remote computers?
[26-Mar-2007 13:32:00] <clippyoff> for instance, can I plug in something that collects events remotely and ship the events to a zenoss server?
[26-Mar-2007 13:38:59] <sobersabre> I have asked a question... long ago.
[26-Mar-2007 13:39:14] <sobersabre> maybe the people's time zones are such they are asleep now.
[26-Mar-2007 13:41:11] <sobersabre> from what I've looked at... it seems server based.
[26-Mar-2007 13:41:21] <sobersabre> there's a collection server, and there are agents.
[26-Mar-2007 13:41:44] <sobersabre> maybe the central server can ( or will ) be replicated
[26-Mar-2007 13:42:03] <sobersabre> for fault tolerance & high availability.
[26-Mar-2007 13:42:26] <sobersabre> clippyoff, .. got me ?
[26-Mar-2007 13:42:51] <sobersabre> ( I am hoping to be proven wrong.. and maybe somebody hears this as bullshit and ... contradicts me... )
[26-Mar-2007 13:53:54] <jp10558> Anyone here use ZenWin?
[26-Mar-2007 13:53:59] <jp10558> and get it to work?
[26-Mar-2007 13:58:15] <clippyoff> sobersabre, yeah
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[26-Mar-2007 14:20:03] <sobersabre> jp10558, what doesn't work ?
[26-Mar-2007 14:20:08] <sobersabre> it is a WMI thing.
[26-Mar-2007 14:22:31] <jp10558> Basically I'm trying to figure out a way to get WMI and perf graphs to work
[26-Mar-2007 14:22:51] <jp10558> I get errors on perf graphs due to bad OID
[26-Mar-2007 14:23:02] <jp10558> for any machine but the zenoss server
[26-Mar-2007 14:23:25] <jp10558> on WMI issues - I get heartbeat down on ZenWin on the management server
[26-Mar-2007 14:23:36] <jp10558> and huge log files with file not found on the WMI server
[26-Mar-2007 14:27:30] <sobersabre> jp10558, do the wmi services run on the monitored machines ?
[26-Mar-2007 14:28:07] <sobersabre> jp10558, does the ZenWin zip file have a README etc. ?
[26-Mar-2007 14:28:29] <jp10558> I can connect with wbemtest
[26-Mar-2007 14:28:38] <jp10558> I've looked at the README, and the wiki
[26-Mar-2007 14:28:56] <jp10558> I've tried what was suggested, but I get nothing
[26-Mar-2007 14:29:51] <jp10558> I suppose WMI right now isn't so important, what's more vexing is the perf graphs not getting anything for CPU/memory use - anyone know how to fix the BAD OID error for the default graphs under perf tab?
[26-Mar-2007 14:35:21] <sobersabre> is it possible you're running some protection software on clients - like firewall/antivirus that blocks these things ?
[26-Mar-2007 14:36:11] <jp10558> No firewall - I am running SAV9 on windows clients - nothing running that I know of like those on the Linux clients
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[26-Mar-2007 14:41:40] <jp10558> I can get lots of data, but it seems that the perf OIDs are wrong - anyone know how to find out what they should be and fix them on the server?
[26-Mar-2007 14:42:30] <jp10558> For instance, I can get graphs of network use, HD used, etc - but nothing from CPU/Memory
[26-Mar-2007 14:58:32] <sobersabre> wierd.
[26-Mar-2007 14:58:46] <sobersabre> thank you... I'll beware this jabberwock.
[26-Mar-2007 14:58:53] <sobersabre> must leave
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[26-Mar-2007 15:19:29] <jreese> jp10558: did you install the snmp informant extension on your server?
[26-Mar-2007 15:22:49] <jp10558> I have on one of the test machines, that one also has blank cpu etc
[26-Mar-2007 15:23:25] <jp10558> Do I need to get something like informant for my Linux machines? And to get CPU use, I have to have informant on every windows machine? Would this be negated if I got WMI working?
[26-Mar-2007 15:23:36] <jreese> strange, the only issues i had was with the rrd files on the zenoss server being created... after i got those generated right everything worked
[26-Mar-2007 15:24:11] <jreese> i'm not sure :/, i just started using zenoss today, your issue looked similar to what i had
[26-Mar-2007 15:24:41] <jreese> i would imagine that linux would expose the cpu information in snmp without any plugins
[26-Mar-2007 15:25:39] <jp10558> rrd files? Those are the graphs?
[26-Mar-2007 15:25:58] <jreese> they hold the data for the graphs
[26-Mar-2007 15:25:59] <jp10558> if I have them for say HD and network use, then they would also presumably be working for CPU use right?
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[26-Mar-2007 15:26:25] <jreese> well, the file could be there, but it sounds like it's not able to get data for it
[26-Mar-2007 15:26:41] <jp10558> On all of my machines, Unix, Linux, Windows with and without informant (except the Zenoss server) I get BAD OID data error for CPU memory etc
[26-Mar-2007 15:26:55] <jp10558> is there any way to check what the OID should be on a machine?
[26-Mar-2007 15:28:10] <jreese> yeah, if you go to the perfconf tab on your device
[26-Mar-2007 15:28:29] <jreese> up at the top you'll see a "RRDTemplate @ /some/path" up at the top
[26-Mar-2007 15:28:46] <jreese> you can click the path and it'l show you all the OIDs it's going to try and query
[26-Mar-2007 15:31:03] <jp10558> Is there a way to figure out if the machines are publishing an OID for say CPU idle?
[26-Mar-2007 15:31:34] <jreese> you can do an snmp walk on the machine
[26-Mar-2007 15:32:11] <jreese> for your windows machine, do this...
[26-Mar-2007 15:32:31] <jreese> snmpwalk -v1 -c<community> <host> 1.3.6.1.4.1.9600
[26-Mar-2007 15:34:12] <jp10558> where do I get snmp walk? On WinXPSP2 and SL4 I get command not found
[26-Mar-2007 15:34:40] <jreese> where do you have zenoss installed?
[26-Mar-2007 15:35:57] <jp10558> On a SL4 machine - I tried on the terminal window in the Zenoss account, got BASH: snmpwalk: command not found
[26-Mar-2007 15:37:16] <jreese> hrm
[26-Mar-2007 15:37:25] <jreese> i used their vmware pre-configured environment
[26-Mar-2007 15:37:40] <jp10558> Ok - nevermind - it seems the first time I installed SNMP informant on my test windows machine it didn't work ...
[26-Mar-2007 15:37:48] <jp10558> now it is. What a waste of time !
[26-Mar-2007 15:38:08] <jreese> doh
[26-Mar-2007 15:38:46] <jp10558> Well, that was stupid - it said it worked before, second install on top, now I get graphs
[26-Mar-2007 15:39:03] <jp10558> ok, now I just need to see if I can graph something else too
[26-Mar-2007 15:40:11] <jreese> good luck
[26-Mar-2007 15:40:47] <jreese> i need to try and get it to graph some IIS snmp stats... probably going to have to write my own snmp plugin
[26-Mar-2007 15:40:58] <jreese> no idea hwo those are triggered right now though
[26-Mar-2007 15:41:02] <jreese> how*
[26-Mar-2007 15:42:30] <jp10558> yea, I still need to figure out why my Linux machines don't report anything useful
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[26-Mar-2007 16:32:12] <creiht> oubiwann: You around?
[26-Mar-2007 16:32:20] <oubiwann> creiht: yup
[26-Mar-2007 16:32:42] <creiht> oubiwann: I was just finally getting around to upgrading to 1.1.1
[26-Mar-2007 16:32:47] <creiht> But have run into this problem
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:06] <creiht> Loading initial Zenoss objects into the Zeo database
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:07] <creiht> (this can take a few minutes)
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:07] <creiht> zport portal object exits; exiting.
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:07] <creiht> Data migration failed
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:22] <creiht> This is from the install script
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:24] <oubiwann> hmmm... I haven't done the migration myself
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:35] <creiht> ok
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:38] <creiht> I'll rollback
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:41] <creiht> And send an email
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:43] <oubiwann> did you see the emails that Erik/Eric/Ian sent out last week or so?
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:49] <creiht> hmmm
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:57] <creiht> I saw about upgrading from svn
[26-Mar-2007 16:33:57] <oubiwann> they all addressed migration
[26-Mar-2007 16:34:05] <creiht> looking...
[26-Mar-2007 16:34:25] <oubiwann> IIRC, Eric had the definitive set of steps...
[26-Mar-2007 16:34:35] <oubiwann> it might have been on the dev list...
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[26-Mar-2007 16:46:08] <ivoks> howdy
[26-Mar-2007 16:46:41] <ivoks> may i ask why does zenoss requests NOPASSWD for /bin/kill?
[26-Mar-2007 16:47:20] <ivoks> i wanted to create .debs for ubuntu, but this doesn't look good :/
[26-Mar-2007 16:53:05] <oubiwann> ivoks: the guys that maintain that part of the code don't usually sit on channel here in IRC
[26-Mar-2007 16:53:15] <oubiwann> probably want to post that to the dev mail list
[26-Mar-2007 16:53:21] <ivoks> ok, thanks
[26-Mar-2007 16:53:21] <oubiwann> or forum
[26-Mar-2007 16:53:54] <oubiwann> anyone wanting to create .debs is going to be most welcome on the mail list ;-)
[26-Mar-2007 16:54:09] <oubiwann> (but everyone is welcome, of course :-)
[26-Mar-2007 16:54:20] <ivoks> yes, i've heard
[26-Mar-2007 16:55:19] <ivoks> anyway, with nopasswd for /bin/kill its unlikely it would get in main for ubuntu-server
[26-Mar-2007 16:55:36] <ivoks> but i'll raise that question on dev list
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[26-Mar-2007 18:58:02] <Tenkawa> is zenoss reliant on snmp?
[26-Mar-2007 18:59:04] <Tenkawa> snmp is the only discovery protocol listed .. is that normal?
[26-Mar-2007 18:59:18] <oubiwann> Tenkawa: it uses snmp extensively, but it's not limited to it
[26-Mar-2007 18:59:33] <oubiwann> I used it in a testing env for a while where there was no snmp
[26-Mar-2007 19:00:33] <Tenkawa> ok.. I'll read a bit more then
[26-Mar-2007 19:02:14] <Tenkawa> ok.. figured out at least part of my boneheadedness
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[26-Mar-2007 21:36:36] <MRWoofer> hey How does zenoss compare to opennms
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[26-Mar-2007 22:41:53] <Snake-Eyes> MRWoofer, i found zenoss to have features I needed and to be packaged compare opennms which requires a whole ton of packages to be installed which found unexceptable, and didnt cover some of needs as well
[26-Mar-2007 22:42:09] <Snake-Eyes> zenoss is alot easier to setup in my mind than opennms
[26-Mar-2007 22:43:59] <Snake-Eyes> not that opennms people aren't friendly it's just things like it need a whole of jave env stuff and adobe tools if you want the fancier look
[26-Mar-2007 22:47:23] <slocuk> jsut dld zenoss for the first time and having never used but attempted to install and configure opennsm I have to agree
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[27-Mar-2007 03:22:09] <yeled> hey
[27-Mar-2007 03:33:28] <yeled> im not quite sure how to enable TCP service checking
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[27-Mar-2007 03:33:42] <yeled> or what it does exactly
[27-Mar-2007 03:33:47] <yeled> a S/A to the port?
[27-Mar-2007 03:35:28] <yeled> the docs say smtp is default
[27-Mar-2007 03:35:34] <yeled> but it isnt being checked
[27-Mar-2007 03:44:49] <yeled> zTransportPreference perhaps
[27-Mar-2007 03:45:44] <yeled> aha
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[27-Mar-2007 05:20:19] <N[]VA> morning
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[27-Mar-2007 06:26:43] <yeled> re
[27-Mar-2007 06:27:26] <yeled> icant figure out how to add a port
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[27-Mar-2007 07:04:26] <xinit> hi
[27-Mar-2007 07:05:08] <xinit> I'm setting up zenoss on a debian box. Setup went great, but when I go to the URL, I get The path '/zport/dmd' was not found.
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[27-Mar-2007 07:20:27] <xinit> ah gottit
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[27-Mar-2007 08:18:55] <jp10558> I need some help getting WMI going
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[27-Mar-2007 08:46:14] <goschtl> hi i got these error on install: unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log but there is no zenbuild.log
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[27-Mar-2007 08:55:07] <N[]VA> did you grab the dzenoss-dep?
[27-Mar-2007 08:55:15] <N[]VA> zenoss-deps
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[27-Mar-2007 09:55:59] <chet> Lots of people in here today..
[27-Mar-2007 09:56:44] <b52laptop> chet, yeap , we're having a party ...
[27-Mar-2007 09:57:21] <chet> 1.2 release party? =}
[27-Mar-2007 09:57:26] <chet> j/k
[27-Mar-2007 09:57:36] <b52laptop> :d
[27-Mar-2007 09:57:39] <chet> It is looking more polished every day though..
[27-Mar-2007 09:58:39] <b52laptop> yeap , in few months it will kick nagios a**
[27-Mar-2007 09:58:40] <chet> I must say I'm impressed by whomever is working on the UI updates.
[27-Mar-2007 10:00:07] <chet> Nagios is like manually pinging hosts from the command line compared to Zenoss.
[27-Mar-2007 10:00:43] <b52laptop> :d
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[27-Mar-2007 10:09:44] <jp10558> Anyone know what MIBs should be imported to use Zenoss with Scientific Linux 4?
[27-Mar-2007 10:11:17] <PerlStalker> Is it possible to setup alerts based on multiple devices?
[27-Mar-2007 10:17:33] <PerlStalker> er, events, not alerts.
[27-Mar-2007 10:17:45] * PerlStalker blows the cobwebs off his brain
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[27-Mar-2007 10:21:03] <jp10558> Anyone here use ZenWin successfully?
[27-Mar-2007 10:21:36] <chet> PerlStalker: Of course.. just add your system/group/class to the command's filter.
[27-Mar-2007 10:21:38] <chet> jp10558: yes
[27-Mar-2007 10:22:05] <PerlStalker> chet: D'oh! Missed that completely. Shiny
[27-Mar-2007 10:22:47] <jp10558> Hmmm, I've followed what instructions I could find
[27-Mar-2007 10:22:53] <jp10558> but all I get is heartbeat errors
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:01] <jp10558> and LARGE logfiles on the zenwin machine
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:12] <jp10558> it seems to just repeat:
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:12] <chet> Are you jmp242?
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:13] <jp10558> 2007-03-26 14:20:00 ERROR zen.zeneventlogsvc: Exception in service ctl
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:13] <jp10558> Traceback (most recent call last):
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:13] <jp10558> File "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\zenutils\zensvc.py", line 42, in SvcDoRun
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:13] <jp10558> proc = Popen(cmd)
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:14] <jp10558> File "C:\Python24\lib\subprocess.py", line 543, in __init__
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:16] <jp10558> errread, errwrite)
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:18] <jp10558> File "C:\Python24\lib\subprocess.py", line 706, in _execute_child
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:20] <jp10558> startupinfo)
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:22] <jp10558> WindowsError: [Errno 2] The system cannot find the file specified
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:24] <jp10558> yes
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:29] <chet> I replied to your post on the mailing list with my guess.
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:38] <jp10558> not on forums yet I guess
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:45] <chet> I'll paste it in here..
[27-Mar-2007 10:23:54] <jp10558> I was checking there
[27-Mar-2007 10:24:16] <chet> I think it means python by "the file specified." Make sure that python is in your path. You can read about this at http://www.python.org/doc/faq/windows.html#how-do-i-run-a-python-program-under-windows
[27-Mar-2007 10:24:16] <adytum-bot> Title: Python Windows FAQ (at www.python.org)
[27-Mar-2007 10:25:03] <jp10558> I'm pretty sure python is in my path, as 1. I followed the README to add it to the path
[27-Mar-2007 10:25:18] <jp10558> and just typing 'python' at the cmd prompt gives me a >>> prompt
[27-Mar-2007 10:25:26] <jp10558> not an unrecognized command.
[27-Mar-2007 10:25:29] <chet> ok.
[27-Mar-2007 10:26:09] <jp10558> Wait - just had an idea, I set this in an admin account, but not the one zenwin is using, maybe it doesn't carry over?
[27-Mar-2007 10:27:37] <chet> It depends if you set it in the user variables or system variables section.
[27-Mar-2007 10:27:52] <chet> I put mine in the system variables under one user, and zenoss runs as another and it works.
[27-Mar-2007 10:28:04] <jp10558> Well, I just changed to the same account I'm logged in under, lets see what happens
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[27-Mar-2007 10:31:33] <jp10558> nope, still a heartbeat failure event
[27-Mar-2007 10:32:14] <jp10558> 2007-03-27 11:25:17 DEBUG zen.zeneventlogsvc: starting 'python C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\zeneventlog.py --logpath C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\log -C C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\etc\zeneventlog.cfg --cycle=60'
[27-Mar-2007 10:32:18] <jp10558> in the log
[27-Mar-2007 10:32:23] <jp10558> ?
[27-Mar-2007 10:35:02] <jp10558> That looks like it's just running, but not doing anything?
[27-Mar-2007 10:39:51] <jp10558> just before that is 2007-03-27 11:24:13 INFO zen.zeneventlogsvc: service clt ending
[27-Mar-2007 10:39:59] <jp10558> does that mean it's crashing or something?
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[27-Mar-2007 11:01:54] <jp10558> could it be the computer?
[27-Mar-2007 11:11:26] <chet> jp10558: Sorry, had to step away for a momoent.
[27-Mar-2007 11:11:41] <chet> Those logs seem good. A shutdown followed by a startup.
[27-Mar-2007 11:11:50] <chet> Anything after that startup at 11:25?
[27-Mar-2007 11:12:13] <jp10558> let me look
[27-Mar-2007 11:12:30] <jp10558> no
[27-Mar-2007 11:12:32] <jp10558> just that
[27-Mar-2007 11:12:56] <chet> It might be working.
[27-Mar-2007 11:13:19] <jp10558> oh - good...? Should I see something inside Zenoss console, or do I need to add things?
[27-Mar-2007 11:13:58] <jp10558> Cause under the Zenwin server I still get zenwin heartbeat failure
[27-Mar-2007 11:14:05] <jp10558> as recently as 11:54
[27-Mar-2007 11:14:20] <jp10558> but no log entry?
[27-Mar-2007 11:16:03] <chet> zenwin isn't the same thing as zeneventlog..
[27-Mar-2007 11:16:12] <chet> There are three services that make up the zenwin product.
[27-Mar-2007 11:16:51] <jp10558> right, three logs. So I check the zenwinsvc.log
[27-Mar-2007 11:16:59] <chet> right
[27-Mar-2007 11:17:10] <jp10558> same thing?
[27-Mar-2007 11:17:12] <jp10558> 2007-03-27 11:24:19 INFO zen.zenwinsvc: service clt ending
[27-Mar-2007 11:17:12] <jp10558> 2007-03-27 11:25:12 DEBUG zen.zenwinsvc: starting 'python C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\zenwin.py --logpath C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\log -C C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\etc\zenwin.cfg --cycle=60'
[27-Mar-2007 11:18:53] <jp10558> similar under zenwinmodelersvc.log
[27-Mar-2007 11:19:24] <chet> zenwinsvc starts zenwin, zeneventlogsvc starts zeneventlog, etc..
[27-Mar-2007 11:19:29] <chet> So check the zenwin.log
[27-Mar-2007 11:20:31] <PerlStalker> Ok. Here's a fun issue with syslog generated events.
[27-Mar-2007 11:20:38] <jp10558> I've only got zenwinsvc.log?
[27-Mar-2007 11:20:52] <jp10558> which has 2007-03-27 11:24:19 INFO zen.zenwinsvc: service clt ending
[27-Mar-2007 11:20:52] <jp10558> 2007-03-27 11:25:12 DEBUG zen.zenwinsvc: starting 'python C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\zenwin.py --logpath C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\log -C C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LNSNTCAD\Desktop\zenwin-1.1.1\etc\zenwin.cfg --cycle=60'
[27-Mar-2007 11:21:10] <PerlStalker> I get events that have the component set to 'postfix/smtpd'. Zenoss complains about the / when I try to map the event.
[27-Mar-2007 11:21:32] <PerlStalker> How might I work around this?
[27-Mar-2007 11:21:38] <chet> postfix\.smtpd
[27-Mar-2007 11:21:40] <chet> oops
[27-Mar-2007 11:21:43] <chet> postfix\/smtpd
[27-Mar-2007 11:22:34] <PerlStalker> chet: So I need to create the event before hand instead of mapping the existing /Unknown event, correct?
[27-Mar-2007 11:23:22] <jp10558> do I need snmp informant installed on the ZenWin server? or any special settings in zProperties specific to the ZenWin server?
[27-Mar-2007 11:23:39] <chet> PerlStalker: yes, you probably will
[27-Mar-2007 11:23:52] <PerlStalker> chet: fair enough. Thank you
[27-Mar-2007 11:24:50] <chet> jp10558: You should set these zProperties under your /Devices/Servers/Windows device class..
[27-Mar-2007 11:25:00] <chet> zWinEventlog == True
[27-Mar-2007 11:25:12] <chet> zWinUser == "Domain\Zenoss User"
[27-Mar-2007 11:25:19] <chet> zWinPassword == "Yourpassword"
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[27-Mar-2007 11:26:53] <jp10558> but they don't need to be different for the ZenWin server?
[27-Mar-2007 11:30:13] <ke4qqq> hey guys, running the 1.1.1 VM, when I add a device (Windows servers are my particular problem) it fails to collect a lot of information - sometimes even timing out beofre getting the full read (this is on a gig network, most of the machines connected to the same switch) If I chnge the time out period and tell it to collect configuration (from the manage tab) it intermittently works, but sometimes also fails, and also references other devices
[27-Mar-2007 11:30:14] <ke4qqq> that I didn't tell it to collect.
[27-Mar-2007 11:31:38] <jp10558> ke4qqq: windows needs snmp informant to give you things like the perf tab
[27-Mar-2007 11:31:52] <jp10558> I'm still trying to get WMI to work though
[27-Mar-2007 11:42:15] <jp10558> chet: do you know what sort of connection the ZenWin server is doing for the heartbeat?
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[27-Mar-2007 13:10:11] <ke4qqq> jp10558: I have snmp informant installed on all of my machines.
[27-Mar-2007 13:11:55] <jp10558> mmm - no good answer then
[27-Mar-2007 13:12:18] <jp10558> I don't have time out issues over 802.11g connection and 100Mbit max wired...
[27-Mar-2007 13:13:51] <chet> ke4qqq: I have that same problem.. it happens to me on all types of devices though.
[27-Mar-2007 13:14:18] <chet> ke4qqq: I'm running on the current SVN trunk too.
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[27-Mar-2007 13:16:08] <EmZee> Has anyone had issues compiling zenoss on i686?
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[27-Mar-2007 13:16:54] <chet> EmZee: No. I assume you mean some of the dependencies for Zenoss? Zenoss itself is in Python and not compiled.
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:09] <EmZee> chet; Apologies... yes you're correct.
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:29] <EmZee> xgettext: error while loading shared libraries: libexpat.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:31] <EmZee> whoops
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:34] <EmZee> i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -fPIC -IExtensionClass -IAcquisition -I/usr/include/python2.4 -$
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:34] <EmZee> unable to execute i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc: No such file or directory
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:34] <EmZee> error: command 'i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc' failed with exit status 1
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:40] <EmZee> I keep getting that in the build log
[27-Mar-2007 13:17:51] <EmZee> (I'm running gentoo, and my chost is set to i686)
[27-Mar-2007 13:19:40] <chet> I'm not too familiar with gentoo specifics, and this is definitely a gentoo specific error..
[27-Mar-2007 13:19:51] <chet> Try remerging python first.
[27-Mar-2007 13:20:01] <EmZee> alright.
[27-Mar-2007 13:20:18] <chet> I'm guessing that python was built with i386.
[27-Mar-2007 13:20:29] * EmZee watches the python configuration
[27-Mar-2007 13:20:34] <EmZee> it sees i686 in ./configure
[27-Mar-2007 13:20:40] <chet> good
[27-Mar-2007 13:20:45] <EmZee> I'll let you know what happens when I build against this
[27-Mar-2007 13:20:59] <EmZee> iirc, I never had my arch set to i386 but I could very well be wrong
[27-Mar-2007 13:21:07] <chet> What kind of "stage" install did you do? Perhaps this could have happened if you didn't do the really long boring one.
[27-Mar-2007 13:21:18] <EmZee> I did the really long boring one
[27-Mar-2007 13:21:21] <chet> doh
[27-Mar-2007 13:21:24] <EmZee> Hehe
[27-Mar-2007 13:21:50] <EmZee> I'd like to think I'm reasonably thorough with my gentoo boxen; I figure if one is going to go to the hassle of installing gentoo, it may as well be done right
[27-Mar-2007 13:22:13] <chet> Sure.. if you're not going to compile everything just use an easy distro.
[27-Mar-2007 13:22:23] * EmZee coughs "Ubuntu" gently.
[27-Mar-2007 13:22:45] <EmZee> If I can make this work on gentoo, I'd like to ask someone to add Gentoo to the list of "supported OSes"
[27-Mar-2007 13:22:56] <EmZee>
[27-Mar-2007 13:23:24] <chet> There are plenty of people running on Gentoo. I think it isn't on the list just because there isn't a step-by-step howto for it.
[27-Mar-2007 13:24:17] <EmZee> Makes sense.
[27-Mar-2007 13:24:48] <EmZee> Looks like that did it, thanks
[27-Mar-2007 13:24:56] <chet> Sweet.
[27-Mar-2007 13:25:10] <EmZee> I dunno if they're planning on adding a "Who uses this" list
[27-Mar-2007 13:25:17] <chet> I think I've read too much about Gentoo for never actually using it. =}
[27-Mar-2007 13:25:30] <EmZee> but if I can make it work, I'm head of the University of Rochester IT division for the Physics Department
[27-Mar-2007 13:25:44] <EmZee> and we're trying to manage our IT infrastructure with it
[27-Mar-2007 13:27:02] <chet> That'd be good press for sure. I'm surprised that they don't already have a list like that in a prominent place.
[27-Mar-2007 13:27:10] <chet> Could be that it's so new that no one has it in production yet.
[27-Mar-2007 13:28:16] <chet> I keep stalling moving it into production because the development is happening so fast right now. There's always a new feature two days away that I want to wait for, then another, etc..
[27-Mar-2007 13:29:15] * EmZee ndos
[27-Mar-2007 13:29:17] <EmZee> *nods
[27-Mar-2007 13:29:27] <EmZee> We're coming off a license with AdventNet OpManager
[27-Mar-2007 13:29:31] <chet> I just wish they were listed. I'd buy as much of that stock up as I could.
[27-Mar-2007 13:29:35] <EmZee> Heheh
[27-Mar-2007 13:29:42] <chet> It's going to explode.. I'm sure of it.
[27-Mar-2007 13:29:57] <EmZee> I wish there was a gentoo package for it
[27-Mar-2007 13:30:14] <EmZee> if I didn't think there was already someone working on a package for it I would totally snatch up first authorhood
[27-Mar-2007 13:30:15] <EmZee>
[27-Mar-2007 13:30:55] <chet> I don't think anyone is working on it.
[27-Mar-2007 13:31:06] <EmZee> Maybe I'll work on one when I'm off the clock
[27-Mar-2007 13:31:25] <EmZee> Or, depending on if I get this stupid motherboard to function, I'll start it in a few minutes
[27-Mar-2007 13:33:03] <EmZee> Yep
[27-Mar-2007 13:33:10] <EmZee> Found a package maintainer
[27-Mar-2007 13:33:21] <EmZee> unfortunately his last ebuild is... December 14, 2006.
[27-Mar-2007 13:33:23] <EmZee> hm.
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[27-Mar-2007 13:46:39] <kfh> I downloaded the vmware applicance today and started playing with it, how significant is it that the following services aren't running? zenperfsnmp zenperfxmlrpc zenprocess and zencommand???
[27-Mar-2007 13:48:46] <jp10558> hey, chet or anyone using WMI successfully
[27-Mar-2007 13:49:00] <jp10558> I've started running the tests of the services in the foreground again
[27-Mar-2007 13:49:37] <jp10558> and I think I may have found one of the problems - zenwinmodeler connects apparently successfully to several machines, but then others it says BAD WMI state and seems to break then
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[27-Mar-2007 14:04:28] <chet> jp10558: Check out http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToTestWmi
[27-Mar-2007 14:04:28] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToTestWmi - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[27-Mar-2007 14:04:30] <jp10558> chet: yea it's definately a problem with zenwinmodeler
[27-Mar-2007 14:04:36] <jp10558> bad WMI state
[27-Mar-2007 14:04:48] <jp10558> yea, I've done that
[27-Mar-2007 14:04:53] <jp10558> that works ok to the machines
[27-Mar-2007 14:05:07] <jp10558> but once zenwinmodeler hits that, it just starts looping
[27-Mar-2007 14:05:10] <chet> Using the same user that the service runs as?
[27-Mar-2007 14:05:25] <jp10558> and I now get WMI timeout errors in Zenoss for those machines
[27-Mar-2007 14:05:28] <jp10558> yes
[27-Mar-2007 14:05:38] <jp10558> I'm logged in under the same account
[27-Mar-2007 14:05:50] <jp10558> and right now, not running service, but the interactive versions
[27-Mar-2007 14:05:56] <jp10558> those at least gave me this output
[27-Mar-2007 14:06:59] <jp10558> wbemtest returns the service query in about 2 seconds
[27-Mar-2007 14:07:06] <jp10558> but zenwinmodeler just dies...
[27-Mar-2007 14:08:06] <chet> hmm.. does the name of your Windows server in Zenoss match its FQDN?
[27-Mar-2007 14:11:39] <jp10558> no, we usually just use the local DNS name so winserver might be an example name
[27-Mar-2007 14:12:13] <jp10558> but \\winserver\root\cimv2 works for say wbemtest ..?
[27-Mar-2007 14:13:21] <chet> I've heard that the FQDN has to match zenoss' device name, but I don't know why this would be.
[27-Mar-2007 14:13:29] <chet> Probably worth a shot though.
[27-Mar-2007 14:13:39] <jp10558> one thing I'm unclear on - I'm (trying to) run zenwin on XPSP2 machine, but some of the desired monitored machines run WIn2k - would a win2k machine break things?
[27-Mar-2007 14:13:57] <chet> No.. I monitor a bunch of 2k boxes through WMI.
[27-Mar-2007 14:14:11] <chet> My ZenWin server is 2k3
[27-Mar-2007 14:14:28] <jp10558> ok, well if this fails, I'll see about getting a 2k3 box to play with
[27-Mar-2007 14:16:18] <EmZee> Grr, stupid password
[27-Mar-2007 14:21:13] <EmZee> chet; any ideas what's going on if I can't login with the admin password I set?
[27-Mar-2007 14:21:29] <EmZee> I even tried running the password change script
[27-Mar-2007 14:21:33] <EmZee> and it sucked up the init file
[27-Mar-2007 14:21:36] <EmZee> deleted it
[27-Mar-2007 14:21:38] <EmZee> and I still can't get in
[27-Mar-2007 14:21:39] <EmZee>
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:03] <chet> Could be a stale cookie.. try closing your browser and then trying again.
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:35] <chet> Might want to "zopectl restart" too.
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:42] <EmZee> Yeah I tried that
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:45] <EmZee> oh one other thing
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:55] <EmZee> schizef bin # ./zenping start
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:55] <EmZee> ./zenping: line 3: /bin/zenfunctions: No such file or directory
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:55] <EmZee> ./zenping: line 11: generic: command not found
[27-Mar-2007 14:22:56] <EmZee>
[27-Mar-2007 14:23:35] <chet> Are you the zenoss user?
[27-Mar-2007 14:23:55] <EmZee> It told me to run that as root
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:11] <chet> No.. run everything as the zenoss user. It will sudo to run the three daemons that require root privileges.
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:21] <jp10558> so far chet
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:23] <chet> Assuming you setup sudo according to the instructions.
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:26] <jp10558> seems to have been the FQDN
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:30] <jp10558> stupid...
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:30] <EmZee> I did, hold on
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:35] <jp10558> no idea why that is
[27-Mar-2007 14:24:55] <chet> jp10558: Me either, but I'll definitely keep that one in the back of my brain for later.
[27-Mar-2007 14:25:01] <EmZee> zenoss@schizef /usr/local/zenoss/bin $ $ZENHOME/bin/zenping start
[27-Mar-2007 14:25:01] <EmZee> starting...
[27-Mar-2007 14:25:01] <EmZee> Traceback (most recent call last):
[27-Mar-2007 14:25:01] <EmZee> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/zenping.py", line 22, in ?
[27-Mar-2007 14:25:01] <EmZee> import Globals # make zope imports work
[27-Mar-2007 14:25:02] <EmZee> ImportError: No module named Globals
[27-Mar-2007 14:25:55] <chet> EmZee: Are you in a bash shell, did you "su - zenoss", did you setup your .bash_profile as per the instructions?
[27-Mar-2007 14:26:05] <EmZee> yes yes and yes
[27-Mar-2007 14:26:26] <chet> echo $PYTHON
[27-Mar-2007 14:26:26] <chet> echo
[27-Mar-2007 14:26:29] <chet> echo $PYTHONPATH
[27-Mar-2007 14:27:25] <EmZee> zenoss@schizef /usr/local/zenoss/bin $ echo $PYTHON
[27-Mar-2007 14:27:25] <EmZee> zenoss@schizef /usr/local/zenoss/bin $ echo $PYTHONPATH
[27-Mar-2007 14:27:25] <EmZee> /usr/local/zenoss/lib/python
[27-Mar-2007 14:27:42] <EmZee> ...
[27-Mar-2007 14:27:45] <EmZee> it just started working.
[27-Mar-2007 14:27:45] <EmZee> Weird.
[27-Mar-2007 14:28:17] <chet> That is weird.. isn't your .bash_profile setting PYTHON to /usr/local/zenoss/bin/python ?
[27-Mar-2007 14:28:30] <chet> I don't think that'd cause your error, but it should be set for other reasons.
[27-Mar-2007 14:29:03] <chet> PYTHONPATH is the one that'd cause your error if it was wrong.
[27-Mar-2007 14:29:50] <EmZee> Things are starting alright now, hm.
[27-Mar-2007 14:30:40] <EmZee> still not letting me log in though
[27-Mar-2007 14:32:19] <chet> Try to login to /manage
[27-Mar-2007 14:32:49] <EmZee> that works fine.
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[27-Mar-2007 14:32:52] <EmZee> crazy.
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:12] <EmZee> interesting.
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:14] <chet> See if you can browse up to the zope authenticate stuff for zport and sort it out.
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:21] <EmZee> I looked in the acl
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:24] <ecrist> afternoon folks.
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:31] <chet> afternoon, ecrist.
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:32] <EmZee> the password and confirm fields aren't the same length
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:44] <chet> bizarre
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:50] <EmZee> Seriously.
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:51] <EmZee> Bug?
[27-Mar-2007 14:33:55] <ecrist> someone have a minute to help me with a graphing error or some sort?
[27-Mar-2007 14:34:09] <chet> ecrist: As long as it's easy enough for me to understand. =}
[27-Mar-2007 14:34:09] <EmZee> zport has no users at all
[27-Mar-2007 14:34:47] <ecrist> chet, great! We just installed zenoss on our test box here at work, and we're trying to get graphing going against a Cisco router
[27-Mar-2007 14:35:12] <ecrist> the default graphs are working fine, and zenoss is able to connect via snmp
[27-Mar-2007 14:35:13] <chet> EmZee: Add yourself..
[27-Mar-2007 14:35:24] <EmZee> chet; Gets more bizarre; put a user/pass into the main portal page, it showed me some sort of disclaimer, I hit agree, and it booted me back to the login prompt with a username/password error
[27-Mar-2007 14:35:25] <EmZee>
[27-Mar-2007 14:36:01] <ecrist> I've tried to add the necessary bits to create some data points for snmp strings 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.10.6 and 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.16.6 for bandwith in/out
[27-Mar-2007 14:36:19] <ecrist> also created the graph from the web interface to stack the two data points.
[27-Mar-2007 14:36:46] <chet> ecrist: I think you might be creating unnecessary work for yourself.
[27-Mar-2007 14:36:58] <ecrist> I get the following error:
[27-Mar-2007 14:36:59] <ecrist> Type: ValueError
[27-Mar-2007 14:37:00] <ecrist> Value: need more than 1 value to unpack
[27-Mar-2007 14:37:05] <ecrist> chet, I hope so
[27-Mar-2007 14:37:13] <chet> Zenoss graphs that stuff by default. You just need to go to the OS tab and click on the interface you want to see the graphs for.
[27-Mar-2007 14:38:38] <chet> EmZee: I've actually had this problem. Unfortunately my solution was the "screw around with it for a while." I have no idea what I did to fix it.
[27-Mar-2007 14:38:51] <EmZee> chet, *snort*
[27-Mar-2007 14:38:51] <ecrist> chet, it's graphing eth0, but not Ser0.16 or Ser0.17
[27-Mar-2007 14:38:52] <EmZee> nice.
[27-Mar-2007 14:38:54] <EmZee>
[27-Mar-2007 14:39:01] <ecrist> I'm trying to get Ser0.17 specifically
[27-Mar-2007 14:39:03] <chet> EmZee: I think it had something to do with creating another user for myself under zport, then closing my browser and logging back into /
[27-Mar-2007 14:39:07] <EmZee> k
[27-Mar-2007 14:39:10] <ecrist> it's our T1 link
[27-Mar-2007 14:39:13] <chet> ecrist: Simple enough..
[27-Mar-2007 14:39:34] <EmZee> chet, Unfortunately now when I'm in /manage and I click "acl_users" on zport, it drops me to the portal auth window.
[27-Mar-2007 14:39:34] <EmZee>
[27-Mar-2007 14:40:38] <ecrist> chet, ?
[27-Mar-2007 14:46:14] <ecrist> also, is there a way to make some graphs by the minute, or 5 minute?
[27-Mar-2007 14:46:53] <jp10558> no good with the service versions though
still get heartbeat failure[27-Mar-2007 14:47:08] <jp10558> IF I run it by hand it seems to work ok with the FQDN
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[27-Mar-2007 14:59:53] <chet> ecrist: What version are you running?
[27-Mar-2007 15:00:39] <ecrist> hrm, let me check, just downloaded it last night off zenoss.com
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[27-Mar-2007 15:01:03] <ecrist> 1.1.1
[27-Mar-2007 15:01:12] <chet> ecrist: Go to /Devices and click on PerfConf.
[27-Mar-2007 15:01:30] <chet> Check ethernetCsmacd and click Copy.
[27-Mar-2007 15:01:44] <chet> Then Paste.
[27-Mar-2007 15:02:03] <ecrist> k
[27-Mar-2007 15:02:19] <chet> Go into the copy of ethernetCsmacd that was just created and change the name to propPointToPointSerial
[27-Mar-2007 15:02:32] <chet> then save.
[27-Mar-2007 15:02:47] <ecrist> k
[27-Mar-2007 15:02:59] <chet> Then restart zenperfsnmp.. you'll have graphs for serial interfaces in about 15 minutes.
[27-Mar-2007 15:03:50] <chet> zenoss applies the performance templates based on the ifType of the interface. By default it only has a template for ethernet interfaces (ethernetCsmacd is the ifType)
[27-Mar-2007 15:04:07] <chet> Serial interfaces are almost always of the propPointToPointSerial ifType.
[27-Mar-2007 15:04:32] <ecrist> wow, thanks for the help.
[27-Mar-2007 15:04:46] <chet> If you wanted graphs for Cisco VLAN interfaces you'd make a copy called propVirtual. You'd need to remove the error data sources from the template because VLANs don't have errors.
[27-Mar-2007 15:04:46] <ecrist> how do I increase the frequency of the graphs?
[27-Mar-2007 15:05:35] <chet> You'd go to "Monitors" and edit your performance monitor. Snmp Cycle Interval is what you'd change.
[27-Mar-2007 15:06:39] <ecrist> what's the config cycle interval?
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[27-Mar-2007 15:07:18] <chet> How often it reloads it's configuration. Earlier I told you to restart zenperfsnmp.. I did that because as you can see by default it only reads new configuration every 20 minutes.
[27-Mar-2007 15:07:36] <ecrist> ah, gotcha
[27-Mar-2007 15:07:37] <chet> Restarting it forces an immediate reload.
[27-Mar-2007 15:07:45] <ecrist> thanks again for the help chet.
[27-Mar-2007 15:08:02] <chet> Sure thing.
[27-Mar-2007 15:08:33] <ecrist> are the graphs rendered on page load, or snmp cycle?
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[27-Mar-2007 15:22:44] <jreese2> i'd imagine page load, since you can zoom in and stuff
[27-Mar-2007 15:23:25] <pozer> Is there a quick way I could just output the value of an SNMP string on a particular device class in zenoss? Like if a particular SNMP oid is a string, just print that entire string out to a section under one of the main tabs or some such nonsense?
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[27-Mar-2007 15:31:58] <ecrist> chet, I still have no graphs, would it make a difference is my Serial0.17 Type was listed as frame-relay?
[27-Mar-2007 15:32:34] <kfh> pozer: Use REST <standby for url>
[27-Mar-2007 15:34:40] <kfh> pozer: page 90, section 13.1 of the current admin guide.....
[27-Mar-2007 15:35:48] <jreese2> when the zenoss snmp cron runs does it check for plugins that are registered to the OID that is going to be queried, and use those plugins to process the returned data?
[27-Mar-2007 15:40:17] <chet> ecrist: Yes, it would matter. You should make a copy of the ethernetCsmacd template with a name that matches the interface's type.
[27-Mar-2007 15:40:57] <chet> jreese2: Not exactly. Each plugin can have a condition for running, but the condition can be almost anything.
[27-Mar-2007 15:41:13] <chet> jreese2: Some only run of the hardware falls under the Cisco category, etc..
[27-Mar-2007 15:41:49] <chet> jreese2: A lot of the plugins don't have any conditions, like RouteMap.. it will try to run against anything that has snmp enabled.
[27-Mar-2007 15:42:53] <pozer> kfh: Will check it out.. thanks. Basically been beating my head against it trying to figure out how to best display the names assigned to ports on an IPDU.
[27-Mar-2007 15:44:26] <chet> pozer: There's no easy way to do that at the moment. You'd have to create a datacollector plugin for it that worked similarly to the InterfaceMap, then you'd also have to create the user interface for it.
[27-Mar-2007 15:45:20] <pozer> Hmm, so the best way is probably going to be to manually dump all this information into the comments for the devices.
[27-Mar-2007 15:45:26] <pozer> That's just ugly, though.
[27-Mar-2007 15:53:02] <jreese2> chet: thanks, so if i were to make my own plugin i could specify what i want it to apply to, put it in the plugins directory, restart the snmp polling service(maybe?), and it'l get picked up?
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[27-Mar-2007 16:02:03] <bmbr> does zenoss have OOTB support for dell mibs?
[27-Mar-2007 16:02:14] <chet> jreese2: Yup.
[27-Mar-2007 16:02:29] <chet> bmbr: nope
[27-Mar-2007 16:02:32] <bmbr> i have a bunch of poweredge servers that im walking that are not populating as i expected them to.. is that a lack of setup on the zenoss side or the actual remote linux box
[27-Mar-2007 16:02:35] <bmbr> ahh!
[27-Mar-2007 16:02:43] <bmbr> is there a good doc in regards to how to make that happen?
[27-Mar-2007 16:02:50] <bmbr> im a mib noob
[27-Mar-2007 16:06:22] <bmbr> ah ha
[27-Mar-2007 16:06:31] <bmbr> zenmib
[27-Mar-2007 16:06:40] <jreese2> chet: very cool, thanks again
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[27-Mar-2007 16:21:05] <ke4qqq> hey guys: wrt regards to my earlier post: here is adding a new device http://pastebin.ca/412664 and then when I went back to recollect, I get this http://pastebin.ca/412666, and still not everything is there (no software, etc)
[27-Mar-2007 16:21:05] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Miscellany - post number 412664 (at pastebin.ca)
[27-Mar-2007 16:21:06] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 412666 (at pastebin.ca)
[27-Mar-2007 16:23:17] <ke4qqq> the third time I run recollection, I get a bit more: http://pastebin.ca/412668; I seem to remember getting all of this at once with 1.0.
[27-Mar-2007 16:23:17] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 412668 (at pastebin.ca)
[27-Mar-2007 16:23:21] <ke4qqq> any ideas on why I am having to run collection over and over to get stuff?
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[27-Mar-2007 16:24:05] <chet> ke4qqq: Afraid not.. I'd suggest you post to the mailing list so one of the developers knows about it.
[27-Mar-2007 16:24:30] <ke4qqq> I was afraid you would say that...... I hate finding unique problems
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[27-Mar-2007 17:01:34] <bmbr> hey guys.. in my battle here with snmp and zenoss, i just wanted to make sure that i'm on the right track..
[27-Mar-2007 17:01:49] <bmbr> i should first get the proper mibs from dell installed and running with snmpd on my poweredge linux boxes
[27-Mar-2007 17:02:08] <bmbr> then zenmib run MIBNAME to import said mibs
[27-Mar-2007 17:02:15] <bmbr> sound about right?
[27-Mar-2007 17:02:46] <bmbr> i guess what confused me is that i have 1 box here that i discovered that displayed lots of great infos including the dell service tag, etc.. and it did this before i started messing with mibs at all
[27-Mar-2007 17:02:56] <bmbr> so im trying to figure out how that happened and see if im overworking the problem
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[27-Mar-2007 18:21:09] <bmbr> ok i surely MUST be missing something.. the admin documentation makes references to things such as the "informant mib" without ever previously describing what that is
[27-Mar-2007 18:21:30] <bmbr> there is also a section of the admin interface that says "mibs" with no further description
[27-Mar-2007 18:22:00] <bmbr> and i dont see anything that really discusses polling information from linux boxes..
[27-Mar-2007 18:22:11] <bmbr> my windows boxes supply a large amount of information right away
[27-Mar-2007 18:22:18] <bmbr> not so much with linux tho
[27-Mar-2007 18:23:32] <bmbr> ah.. so it was one of my windows boxes that prepopulated the service tag # via snmp
[27-Mar-2007 18:23:39] <bmbr> prolly because dell openmanage is installed on that machine
[27-Mar-2007 18:23:46] <bmbr> as its OS is actually supported by openmanage
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[27-Mar-2007 19:11:10] <chet> bmbr: It isn't supported natively by Zenoss, but you can take a look at OMSA from Dell. It's their set of Linux SNMP extensions.
[27-Mar-2007 19:12:42] <bmbr> yah
[27-Mar-2007 19:13:05] <bmbr> i have 3 rhel boxes here that support openmanage (omsa) and have it installed.. and a few windows boxes the same..
[27-Mar-2007 19:13:17] <bmbr> its very interesting, the windows boxes reports lots of information immediately.. name, service tag, etc
[27-Mar-2007 19:13:24] <bmbr> the linux boxes running the same omsa do not report that
[27-Mar-2007 19:13:29] <chet> hmm.. I just checked that out myself. Apparently the MIBs between windows and linux are the same.
[27-Mar-2007 19:13:32] <bmbr> prolly another linux failure on dells part
[27-Mar-2007 19:13:42] <chet> I don't think so.. might be a quick fix, one minute.
[27-Mar-2007 19:13:48] <bmbr> thatd be neat
[27-Mar-2007 19:14:18] <bmbr> i do have MIB-Dell-10892 loaded up in zenoss now
[27-Mar-2007 19:14:22] <bmbr> via zenmib run
[27-Mar-2007 19:14:31] <bmbr> which i believe is the latest OMSA mib file
[27-Mar-2007 19:14:38] <chet> currently zenoss only uses mibs to make trap messages look nice.
[27-Mar-2007 19:14:43] <chet> Not used for polling at all.
[27-Mar-2007 19:15:28] <bmbr> ok.. hm.. how then would it grab the service tag from my windows box right away? cos initial setup of the device = polling, correct?
[27-Mar-2007 19:15:35] <chet> It knows the OID.
[27-Mar-2007 19:15:47] <bmbr> it being zenoss?
[27-Mar-2007 19:16:01] <bmbr> sorry my brain is kinda fried
[27-Mar-2007 19:16:05] <bmbr> i understand what yer trying to tell me now
[27-Mar-2007 19:16:29] <chet> ok.. interesting. I have OMSA running on one of my CentOS boxes now. Zenoss picked the service tag right up.
[27-Mar-2007 19:16:45] <chet> Have you verified that OMSA is properly installed and integrated with NetSNMP?
[27-Mar-2007 19:17:15] <bmbr> no i have not, i only went into OMSA and verified that the asset information did incude the service tag
[27-Mar-2007 19:17:42] <bmbr> im slowly working on switching my network here away from fedora and onto centos.. it will be nice when i can run omsa everywhere again
[27-Mar-2007 19:18:41] <chet> ok, to enable it in NetSNMP you just need to add this line to your /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf
[27-Mar-2007 19:18:55] <chet> smuxpeer .1.3.6.1.4.1.674.10892.1
[27-Mar-2007 19:19:10] <chet> reload the snmpd service, then you can check to see if it works by this:
[27-Mar-2007 19:19:32] <chet> snmpget -v2c -c public yourhost .1.3.6.1.4.1.674.10892.1.300.10.1.11.1
[27-Mar-2007 19:19:54] <chet> That should return your service tag, and if it does.. you can recollect the device in zenoss and see the serial # populated just like under windows.
[27-Mar-2007 19:20:30] <chet> Zenoss also picked up my RAM, CPUs and expansion cards.
[27-Mar-2007 19:20:35] <chet> It also knows it's a PowerEdge 2650
[27-Mar-2007 19:20:42] <chet> Everything that Windows does.
[27-Mar-2007 19:20:57] <chet> Thanks for pointing me at this. =}
[27-Mar-2007 19:21:11] <bmbr> haha
[27-Mar-2007 19:21:14] <bmbr> ya sure np
[27-Mar-2007 19:21:43] <bmbr> hm
[27-Mar-2007 19:21:56] <bmbr> that smuxpeer line is there (was always there, actually) prolly due to the omsa install
[27-Mar-2007 19:22:06] <bmbr> but that oid returns nothing on my linux box
[27-Mar-2007 19:22:13] <bmbr> but does work properly on my windows box
[27-Mar-2007 19:22:21] <bmbr> so now i think i need to look at my omsa installs
[27-Mar-2007 19:22:30] <bmbr> and see what part of it failed (prolly the netsnmp part)
[27-Mar-2007 19:22:40] <bmbr> sound about right to you?
[27-Mar-2007 19:23:07] <chet> hmm.. check that these services are running:
[27-Mar-2007 19:23:24] <chet> dataeng, dsm_om_shrsvc, dsm_sa_ipmi, instsvcdrv, mptctl
[27-Mar-2007 19:24:15] <chet> chkconfig them to run at RLs 2-5 while you're there
[27-Mar-2007 19:26:31] <bmbr> hmm.. everything complained about already being started except for dsm_sa_ipmi and mptctl
[27-Mar-2007 19:26:38] <bmbr> (which said ok and started)
[27-Mar-2007 19:26:55] <chet> ok, restart snmpd and try the snmpget again.
[27-Mar-2007 19:28:50] <bmbr> hm still a timeout
[27-Mar-2007 19:29:12] <chet> snmp timeout, or a timeout response from snmp?
[27-Mar-2007 19:30:29] <chet> I guess that was a weird question. What I mean is that your snmpget will pause for several seconds then come back with a timeout if it couldn't contact the snmpd daemon, but if snmpd can't contact omsa it will actually give a timeout as the result of the snmpget.
[27-Mar-2007 19:30:41] <bmbr> Timeout: no response from servername
[27-Mar-2007 19:30:54] <bmbr> it hangs for a moment
[27-Mar-2007 19:30:57] <bmbr> so the former, i believe
[27-Mar-2007 19:31:34] <bmbr> im also doing a new install of omsa on a centos4 box
[27-Mar-2007 19:31:37] <bmbr> to see if the results are better
[27-Mar-2007 19:31:41] <chet> what if you use .1.3.6.1.2.1.1.5.0 as the OID?
[27-Mar-2007 19:32:04] <bmbr> same result
[27-Mar-2007 19:32:15] <bmbr> hm
[27-Mar-2007 19:32:16] <chet> oh, cool.. is iptables running?
[27-Mar-2007 19:32:22] <bmbr> lemme double check my conf / logs
[27-Mar-2007 19:33:49] <bmbr> hmm no, iptables is disabled..
[27-Mar-2007 19:34:13] <bmbr> oh hey, maybe its only answering as v1?
[27-Mar-2007 19:34:35] <bmbr> indeed
[27-Mar-2007 19:35:07] <chet> Weird.. do you have some access control in snmpd.conf that's causing that maybe? NetSNMP can definitely do v2c
[27-Mar-2007 19:35:31] <bmbr> im about to go on a comment spree in there.. the netadmin here was using it for mrtg..
[27-Mar-2007 19:35:35] <bmbr> could be a bad conf
[27-Mar-2007 19:35:38] <bmbr> uno momento
[27-Mar-2007 19:37:48] <bmbr> well i got it to at least talk to me now
[27-Mar-2007 19:37:49] <bmbr> SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.674.10892.1.300.10.1.11.1 = No Such Object available on this agent at this OID
[27-Mar-2007 19:38:37] <chet> Shoot.. I don't suppose you commented the smuxpeer out. =}
[27-Mar-2007 19:40:07] <bmbr> afraid not
[27-Mar-2007 19:40:20] <bmbr> i just redid the snmpd.conf completely based on the example config in the FAQ
[27-Mar-2007 19:40:26] <bmbr> including the smuxpeer line
[27-Mar-2007 19:40:36] <bmbr> but same.. bitches about NSO
[27-Mar-2007 19:40:38] <bmbr> but
[27-Mar-2007 19:40:44] <bmbr> im getting closer
[27-Mar-2007 19:42:49] <chet> Are the kernel modules loaded? dell_rbu, ipmi_devintf, ipmi_si, ipmi_msghandler ?
[27-Mar-2007 19:43:20] <chet> I think the services load them, but it can't hurt to check.
[27-Mar-2007 19:47:32] <cavehamster> interesting
[27-Mar-2007 19:47:34] <cavehamster> line 3: /bin/zenfunctions: No such file or directory
[27-Mar-2007 19:48:48] <chet> cavehamster: You need to su - to your zenoss user first.
[27-Mar-2007 19:49:49] <cavehamster> install docs not clear on this point, they say
[27-Mar-2007 19:49:51] <cavehamster> "Start zenping (it will need to be run as root to open a raw socket):"
[27-Mar-2007 19:49:59] <cavehamster> my assumption is, 'run this as root'
[27-Mar-2007 19:50:02] <chet> cavehamster: Yeah.. that is very misleading.
[27-Mar-2007 19:50:06] <chet> It actually uses sudo to do it.
[27-Mar-2007 19:50:15] <chet> Which is why the install guide asks you to configure sudo.
[27-Mar-2007 19:50:22] <cavehamster> i copy, its working now
[27-Mar-2007 19:52:18] <cavehamster> i also note the install didn't create a database in mysql
[27-Mar-2007 19:53:12] <bmbr> rpm or source? ive just been thru both installs and it created my db ok..
[27-Mar-2007 19:53:32] <cavehamster> source
[27-Mar-2007 19:53:50] <cavehamster> was I supposed to create a mysql user for zenoss or just fire up the install?
[27-Mar-2007 19:53:52] <bmbr> have you been to the web interface yet?
[27-Mar-2007 19:53:53] <chet> cavehamster: Most people suggest wiping out your mysql root password before the install, then setting it back up afterwards.
[27-Mar-2007 19:54:01] <bmbr> it will ask for the root word and create it all
[27-Mar-2007 19:54:23] <chet> cavehamster: After it's installed, you can create a mysql user for zenoss.. but it needs super privileges to install the database.
[27-Mar-2007 19:54:23] <bmbr> those were 2 seperate statements of mine btw
[27-Mar-2007 19:54:29] <cavehamster> it did let me log into the web interface
[27-Mar-2007 19:55:13] <cavehamster> ok, right now, i'm at step 2.2.2 of the install docs as per http://zenoss.com/docs/installsrc
[27-Mar-2007 19:55:13] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Installation Instructions : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at zenoss.com)
[27-Mar-2007 19:55:24] <cavehamster> i can log into the web interface
[27-Mar-2007 19:55:31] <cavehamster> i just got the ping thingy going
[27-Mar-2007 19:56:11] <cavehamster> "Configure the username and password for zenperfsnmp in the config file:" what does this mean? The config file doesn't really give me any clues as to what it wants
[27-Mar-2007 19:56:20] <chet> ignore that completely
[27-Mar-2007 19:56:32] <cavehamster> the whole 2.2.2 section?
[27-Mar-2007 19:56:59] <chet> You can start the daemons, but you don't need to edit the file.
[27-Mar-2007 19:57:06] <cavehamster> ok
[27-Mar-2007 19:57:10] <chet> You really need to get the database created though.
[27-Mar-2007 19:57:25] <chet> I'd suggest you "zenoss stop" to shut everything down, wipe your mysql root password and run the install again.
[27-Mar-2007 19:57:44] <cavehamster> interesting indeed
[27-Mar-2007 20:01:39] <cavehamster> should I do a 'make clean' or just run the install.sh again?
[27-Mar-2007 20:03:29] <chet> just install.sh is fine
[27-Mar-2007 20:03:44] <cavehamster> alrighty, here we go
[27-Mar-2007 20:05:04] <bmbr> ok.. got OMSA installed on a fresh centos box..
[27-Mar-2007 20:05:28] <bmbr> set all levels 2-5 to on for omsa and gave it a quick lil reboot (zenoss started nicely too!)
[27-Mar-2007 20:05:43] <bmbr> verified that the Summary in the omsa does indeed show asset tag infos
[27-Mar-2007 20:05:57] <bmbr> but alas, i get the same dang no such object
[27-Mar-2007 20:06:07] <bmbr> in regards to that OID
[27-Mar-2007 20:07:17] <bmbr> whats a good site like pastebin? pastebin is failing me atm
[27-Mar-2007 20:07:19] <cavehamster> ok it installed the database this time
[27-Mar-2007 20:09:02] <chet> pastebin.mozilla.org is usually fast.
[27-Mar-2007 20:09:37] <bmbr> ah there we go
[27-Mar-2007 20:09:57] <bmbr> so ya, here is my snmpd.conf (generic, OMSA just wrote it fresh): http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5303
[27-Mar-2007 20:09:57] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[27-Mar-2007 20:10:05] <bmbr> looks right.. smuxpeer line is there
[27-Mar-2007 20:10:24] <bmbr> atm its setup as default for host, so anyone can access it (fine for the moment)
[27-Mar-2007 20:11:02] <bmbr> is that pretty similar to yer centos box that worked immediately?
[27-Mar-2007 20:11:25] <chet> It should work.. but I don't use the extended access control.
[27-Mar-2007 20:11:41] <chet> I have a line like "rocommunity public" then the smuxpeer line under it.
[27-Mar-2007 20:11:46] <chet> I control the access with iptables.
[27-Mar-2007 20:12:09] <bmbr> hm
[27-Mar-2007 20:13:37] <cavehamster> should I be worried that on a default install, when I log in, i get a 'Lost connection to Zenoss' text on the dashboard?
[27-Mar-2007 20:13:59] <chet> That means that it can't connect to the database.
[27-Mar-2007 20:14:15] <chet> Create your mysql zenoss user with all privileges on events.*
[27-Mar-2007 20:14:27] <chet> Then setup the mysql connection settings in the "Event Manager" link on the left.
[27-Mar-2007 20:15:07] <cavehamster> er, I let the install script create the mysql user? did it not do everything it needed to do?
[27-Mar-2007 20:15:47] <cavehamster> ok nevermind
[27-Mar-2007 20:15:54] <cavehamster> apparently it was using the wrong database name
[27-Mar-2007 20:16:55] <bmbr> ok, just one last more generalized question before i call it a nite chet
[27-Mar-2007 20:17:23] <bmbr> when you first setup zenoss.. is it normal to config a lot of the inventory based information yourself? like setting the machine hw type, os, kernel revision, etc?
[27-Mar-2007 20:17:37] <bmbr> or should i aim to make it be able to grab most of that from snmp before i start worrying about adding machines
[27-Mar-2007 20:17:41] <bmbr> im not sure what to expect of zenoss OOTB
[27-Mar-2007 20:17:47] <chet> No.. aim to collect it automatically.
[27-Mar-2007 20:18:14] <bmbr> ok
[27-Mar-2007 20:18:33] <chet> Anything that isn't collected automatically will probably be overwritten eventually anyway.
[27-Mar-2007 20:18:35] <bmbr> and i should do that based on exactly what im doing now.. trying to get OMSA to install/run/report properly?
[27-Mar-2007 20:19:00] <bmbr> like if a box isnt giving up the info and seems to be configured properly, is it normal to go in and edit the OID its looking for/at?
[27-Mar-2007 20:19:03] <bmbr> or is that overkill
[27-Mar-2007 20:19:39] <chet> In this OMSA case that obviously wouldn't help, but it's completely normal to develop your own performance templates based on the OIDs you're interested in.
[27-Mar-2007 20:20:01] <bmbr> gotcha
[27-Mar-2007 20:20:16] <bmbr> ok, thanks for all of your help chet, i'm not there yet but i can at least see the road from here
[27-Mar-2007 20:20:31] <bmbr> if i make any major breakthrus ill report back for documentations sake
[27-Mar-2007 20:20:35] <bmbr> (or at least the irc log)
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[27-Mar-2007 21:42:13] <ioerror> Who's the best person to submit patches to the install instructions on the website to?
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[27-Mar-2007 21:49:29] <cdillardhsp> anybody be here?
[27-Mar-2007 21:50:09] <cdillardhsp> i gots problems yo
[27-Mar-2007 21:58:02] <oubiwann> ioerror: since those instructions are actually from the instructions in subversion (and thus code), you should post the patch to the zenoss-dev mail list
[27-Mar-2007 22:01:14] <ioerror> oubiwann, I could do that, depending on how it works out, I'll look into it
[27-Mar-2007 22:01:37] <ioerror> The installer itself is kinda weird when combined with the ubuntu install directions
[27-Mar-2007 22:02:17] <ioerror> Are there any plans to make ubuntu/debian packages for the project?
[27-Mar-2007 22:03:09] <oubiwann> ioerror: yes, it's come up several times in the past 9 months, but none of the volunteers has actually finished
[27-Mar-2007 22:03:28] <oubiwann> ioerror: someone did email the list (and post here in the channel) the other day
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[27-Mar-2007 22:03:31] <oubiwann> so we'll see
[27-Mar-2007 22:03:47] <oubiwann> _chris_: wassup, bro!
[27-Mar-2007 22:04:24] <_chris_> hey hoss!
[27-Mar-2007 22:04:29] <_chris_> i'm out in oakland
[27-Mar-2007 22:04:33] <_chris_> it's weird how TV is on all early here
[27-Mar-2007 22:04:37] <oubiwann> heh
[27-Mar-2007 22:04:46] <oubiwann> whatchya doin out there?
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:01] <_chris_> support for a new customer
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:02] <oubiwann> you're only one tz away, now ;-)
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:05] <oubiwann> sweet
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:08] <_chris_> yup
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:12] <oubiwann> zenoss, or swc?
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:19] <_chris_> zenoss
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:22] <oubiwann> nice
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:24] <_chris_> how're you?
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:32] <oubiwann> doing pretty well
[27-Mar-2007 22:05:43] <cdillardhsp> anyone know how to reduce the amount of memory that is siphoned up by python under zenoss?
[27-Mar-2007 22:06:17] <_chris_> cdillardhsp: what daemon is using up the memory?
[27-Mar-2007 22:10:52] <oubiwann> _chris_: hey, dunno if you ever saw it, but I did finally get around to posting about Django URL traversal in Nevow (you were asking about it at pycon)
[27-Mar-2007 22:11:05] <_chris_> i saw that -
[27-Mar-2007 22:11:10] <_chris_> i'm subscribed to your blog
[27-Mar-2007 22:11:15] <oubiwann> oh, cool :-)
[27-Mar-2007 22:11:46] <ioerror> oubiwann, is their work in subversion?
[27-Mar-2007 22:11:53] <oubiwann> ioerror: yup
[27-Mar-2007 22:12:07] <ioerror> Well then, I think I should probably check out the sources ;-)
[27-Mar-2007 22:12:44] <oubiwann> ioerror: if you have a co of the sources, you can make your changes in the appropriate dir and send the output of "svn diff" to the zenoss-dev mail list
[27-Mar-2007 22:12:44] <ioerror> thanks
[27-Mar-2007 22:12:55] <oubiwann> np
[27-Mar-2007 22:14:50] <ioerror> I just checked the source out, so I'll take a look at creating the package and get back to you
[27-Mar-2007 22:26:46] <cdillardhsp> not sure, top says that python is taking up all the mem
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:10] <cdillardhsp> 2673 zenoss 16 0 89516 67m 2576 S 0.0 8.9 1:43.73 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:10] <cdillardhsp> 2661 zenoss 16 0 114m 67m 3668 S 0.0 8.9 2:04.92 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:10] <cdillardhsp> 2690 zenoss 15 0 53712 33m 2608 S 0.0 4.5 3:05.21 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:10] <cdillardhsp> 2985 zenoss 16 0 51116 31m 2456 S 0.0 4.2 0:27.77 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:13] <cdillardhsp> 2899 zenoss 15 0 47360 28m 2500 S 0.0 3.7 3:05.59 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:16] <cdillardhsp> 2666 zenoss 15 0 47580 28m 2560 S 0.0 3.7 2:38.75 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:19] <cdillardhsp> 2704 zenoss 16 0 49080 28m 2428 S 0.0 3.7 0:04.61 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:22] <cdillardhsp> 2697 zenoss 16 0 48048 28m 2468 S 0.0 3.7 0:11.84 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:25] <cdillardhsp> 2719 root 15 0 49432 27m 2548 S 11.3 3.7 18:49.41 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:28] <cdillardhsp> 2711 root 16 0 48108 27m 2512 S 0.0 3.6 0:15.64 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:31] <cdillardhsp> 2941 zenoss 16 0 47168 27m 2476 S 0.0 3.6 0:23.85 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:34] <cdillardhsp> 2966 root 16 0 47484 27m 2544 S 0.0 3.6 0:29.92 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:37] <cdillardhsp> 2632 mysql 16 0 119m 24m 4072 S 0.0 3.3 37:29.16 mysqld
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:40] <cdillardhsp> 4029 root 16 0 19052 14m 1320 S 0.0 2.0 0:05.32 nessusd
[27-Mar-2007 22:31:43] <cdillardhsp> 2657 zenoss 16 0 16724 10m 2420 S 0.0 1.4 0:51.17 python
[27-Mar-2007 22:33:14] <_chris_> you can cross reference those process ids with the Status page in zenoss
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[27-Mar-2007 22:36:43] <cdillardhsp> top two are zenmodeler and zopectl
[27-Mar-2007 22:37:09] <cdillardhsp> then comes zenperfsnmp
[27-Mar-2007 22:37:29] <cdillardhsp> this app is really cool but man is it memory hungry
[27-Mar-2007 22:40:14] <cdillardhsp> is there any way to adjust the settings in these scripts so that they consume less memory?
[27-Mar-2007 22:41:01] <_chris_> cdillardhsp: zenmodeler, zope, and zenperfsnmp are the heavy hitters
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[27-Mar-2007 22:41:25] <_chris_> much of the memory you're seeing comes from zenperfsnmp and zenmodeler reading the model information from the zodb.
[27-Mar-2007 22:41:39] <_chris_> that'll improve in the next release - not sure how much better it'll be tho
[27-Mar-2007 22:50:32] <cdillardhsp> how much memory do I need in my system to support Zenoss fully without swapping?
[27-Mar-2007 22:51:15] <lelakimipa> hi guys
[27-Mar-2007 22:51:19] <lelakimipa> i wanna ask somthin
[27-Mar-2007 22:51:39] <lelakimipa> which better beetwen nagios, nmis, and zenoss?
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[28-Mar-2007 00:17:21] <Snake-Eyes> lelakimipa, zenoss
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[28-Mar-2007 02:52:23] <xinit> haha.. collecting data over ssh on a linux box running Quagga for BGP was not such a good idea
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[28-Mar-2007 04:27:52] <cavehamster> is this a problem? "no portscan plugins found for <device>"
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[28-Mar-2007 04:46:51] <kompressor> hi all zenoss people...
[28-Mar-2007 04:47:43] <kompressor> i wasnt aware that there is such a great oss project going on
[28-Mar-2007 04:48:23] <cavehamster> i just installed it today, its pretty slick
[28-Mar-2007 04:48:56] <kompressor> im about to try it ...busy downloading... :-[ you know how bandwidth is like in ZApersonnel can simultaneously provision and recover hundreds of Linux and Windows desktops, servers, blades and appliances from a single tool
[28-Mar-2007 04:49:19] <kompressor> yah my question above :can an IT personnel can simultaneously provision and recover hundreds of Linux and Windows desktops, servers, blades and appliances from a single tool
[28-Mar-2007 04:49:28] <kompressor> ??? using zenoss?
[28-Mar-2007 04:51:33] <kompressor>
[28-Mar-2007 04:51:59] <cavehamster> as far as I know, zenoss is just for monitoring
[28-Mar-2007 04:52:07] <cavehamster> and not so much for provisoning stuff
[28-Mar-2007 04:52:16] <cavehamster> but, hey, i just installed it today, so what do I know?
[28-Mar-2007 04:52:39] <kompressor> hmm, is there any provisioning planned maybe?
[28-Mar-2007 04:53:51] <cavehamster> sorry, i dont know
[28-Mar-2007 04:54:18] <kompressor> cavehamster: are you one of the users or a developer?
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:07] <xinit> it's not provisioning or recovering
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:10] <xinit> monitoring
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:14] <xinit> and a bit of inventarisation
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:16] <xinit> as it seems
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:17] <cavehamster> user
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:21] <xinit> I installed it yesterday
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:29] <xinit> but it works like a charm
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:33] <xinit> really nice stuff
[28-Mar-2007 04:56:48] <xinit> much more complete and user friendly than nagios
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[28-Mar-2007 04:58:02] <jeg1972> Morning everyone
[28-Mar-2007 04:58:53] <kompressor> 8-) xinit
[28-Mar-2007 05:02:36] <jeg1972> Lots more people on this channel recently
[28-Mar-2007 05:04:51] <cavehamster> so, any idea why zenoss doesn't seem to see the http services on my linux boxen?
[28-Mar-2007 05:05:31] <cavehamster> or, how do I go about adding a non-discovered service to be monitored?
[28-Mar-2007 05:05:32] <jeg1972> Router or firewall blocking port 80?
[28-Mar-2007 05:05:43] <cavehamster> nope, this is on localhost
[28-Mar-2007 05:06:03] <cavehamster> it sees everything else
[28-Mar-2007 05:06:24] <cavehamster> i'm seeing this same behaviour on at least 2 linux boxen, one localhost, one remote
[28-Mar-2007 05:06:30] <cavehamster> both of them have snmp enabled
[28-Mar-2007 05:07:01] <jeg1972> So, you're monitoring HTTP on the same box that Zenoss is installed on?
[28-Mar-2007 05:07:18] <cavehamster> yes
[28-Mar-2007 05:07:49] <jeg1972> You running Zenoss on port 8080?
[28-Mar-2007 05:07:54] <cavehamster> correct
[28-Mar-2007 05:08:16] <jeg1972> Wjhat happens if you perform a nmap 127.0.0.1?
[28-Mar-2007 05:08:32] <cavehamster> 80/tcp open http
[28-Mar-2007 05:09:47] <jeg1972> So, port 8080 isn't open?
[28-Mar-2007 05:10:10] <cavehamster> yes it is
[28-Mar-2007 05:10:24] <cavehamster> actually, it looks like the problem is that snmpd isn't reporting port 80 being in use
[28-Mar-2007 05:12:47] <jeg1972> OK, you've lost me now... You're running Zenoss on port 8080, but nmap doesn't show 8080 as being open.
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:01] <cavehamster> i apologize for the confusion
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:03] <cavehamster> here's the setup
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:12] <cavehamster> zenoss is running port 8080, which nmap shows open
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:20] <cavehamster> zenoss is using snmp to poll localhost
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:30] <cavehamster> localhost is also running a web server at port 80
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:37] <jeg1972> Ah I see!
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:48] <cavehamster> zenoss sees all the other ports (maybe 30 of them) that are open and in use
[28-Mar-2007 05:13:51] <cavehamster> but not port 80
[28-Mar-2007 05:14:10] <cavehamster> HOWEVER further debugging using snmpwalk shows that it is not returning the fact that port 80 is even open
[28-Mar-2007 05:14:23] <jeg1972> You've got Zenoss on 8080 and Apache (or something) on 80
[28-Mar-2007 05:14:32] <cavehamster> yes
[28-Mar-2007 05:14:54] <cavehamster> ok, further, the problem appears to be that snmp is not returning any data for ip6 enabled services
[28-Mar-2007 05:15:00] <cavehamster> sooo it looks like an snmp issue
[28-Mar-2007 05:15:21] <jeg1972> There isn't any permissions for your Webserver on port 80 that doens't allow localhost to view it is there?
[28-Mar-2007 05:15:32] <cavehamster> nah, its all open
[28-Mar-2007 05:15:50] <cavehamster> a netstat -lpn shows a number of services that look like this
[28-Mar-2007 05:15:50] <cavehamster> tcp6 0 0 :::80
[28-Mar-2007 05:16:00] <jeg1972> What does your snmpd.conf file look like? There isn't much in mine
[28-Mar-2007 05:16:03] <cavehamster> all of these listed services are not found in a snmpwalk
[28-Mar-2007 05:17:07] <jeg1972> The scond part of your questions easier ;-)
[28-Mar-2007 05:17:21] <cavehamster> lol
[28-Mar-2007 05:17:25] <cavehamster> well, let me ask you this
[28-Mar-2007 05:17:32] <jeg1972> Goto Management -> /Add Device
[28-Mar-2007 05:17:33] <cavehamster> i have a router, a WRT54GS
[28-Mar-2007 05:17:59] <cavehamster> which is running dd-wrt, but its one of the versions that does not have enough memory for snmp
[28-Mar-2007 05:18:03] <cavehamster> i can ping it
[28-Mar-2007 05:18:18] <cavehamster> but I would also like to check that the web service on port 8080 is up
[28-Mar-2007 05:18:51] <cavehamster> i added it to zenoss, using the discovery protocol 'none'
[28-Mar-2007 05:18:58] <cavehamster> (i only have snmp and none availible)
[28-Mar-2007 05:19:05] <cavehamster> so, it ping check it
[28-Mar-2007 05:19:17] <cavehamster> but how do I ask it to check a service?
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[28-Mar-2007 05:20:21] <cavehamster> following along in the admin docs, I added 'portmap' in the 'zTransportPreference' page, and did a 'collect configuration', but it doesn't seem to be doing a portmap
[28-Mar-2007 05:20:27] <cavehamster> do I need to install a plugin?
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[28-Mar-2007 05:44:23] <cavehamster> interesting
[28-Mar-2007 05:45:53] <N[]VA> oh?
[28-Mar-2007 05:46:17] <cavehamster> i guess ipv6 services just dont get reported via snmp
[28-Mar-2007 05:47:46] <cavehamster> do I have to install anything to get the portmap plugin working?
[28-Mar-2007 05:48:39] <N[]VA> sorry no idea there
[28-Mar-2007 05:48:40] <N[]VA> =]
[28-Mar-2007 05:56:26] <cavehamster> WARNING zen.ZenModeler no cmd plugins found for VPTA
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[28-Mar-2007 06:58:51] <cavehamster> ok how do you delete an event?
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[28-Mar-2007 07:05:20] <jeg1972> You can't delete an event from the GUI as that would break the Audit Trail. You can assign the evnt to history though
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[28-Mar-2007 07:06:45] <cavehamster> ok
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[28-Mar-2007 07:18:08] <jeg1972> If you really want to get rid of it, you can delete from db directly
[28-Mar-2007 07:19:40] <cavehamster> gotcha
[28-Mar-2007 07:20:47] <cavehamster> interesting, I moved a 'system' group around, and now although I have a device in it with an error, the dash board shows no errors in that system group
[28-Mar-2007 07:20:57] <cavehamster> although, it does show the device on the dashboard with the error
[28-Mar-2007 07:25:17] <xinit> the plugins that can be downloaded, is this for remote hosts, or the host running zenoss?
[28-Mar-2007 07:28:49] <jeg1972> I would advise not to install any plugins on the server running Zenoss... I've had strange things happen when I did this... keep them for remote servers onkly
[28-Mar-2007 07:28:52] <jeg1972> only
[28-Mar-2007 07:29:40] <xinit> ah ok
[28-Mar-2007 07:29:54] <jeg1972> cavehamster: I don't really have a use for groups as we don't have enough devices to use them
[28-Mar-2007 07:29:55] <xinit> jeg1972: do you know how I can read cpu info with snmpd on linux?
[28-Mar-2007 07:30:07] <xinit> currently, no cpu info shows up for a linux machin
[28-Mar-2007 07:31:55] <cavehamster> yeah, no worries
[28-Mar-2007 07:33:20] <jeg1972> All of my boxes display CPU info by default... I guess it's how you've set up you snmpd.conf file, mine has very little in...
[28-Mar-2007 07:33:58] <jeg1972> Unless you are talking about the CPUs info under the Hardware tab rather than the graphs under the Perf tanb?
[28-Mar-2007 07:34:02] <jeg1972> tab?
[28-Mar-2007 07:34:06] <xinit> I was
[28-Mar-2007 07:34:18] <xinit> I have them in Perf tab
[28-Mar-2007 07:34:22] <xinit> but not in hardware
[28-Mar-2007 07:35:12] <xinit> for the voltage stuff, you probably need lmsensors
[28-Mar-2007 07:35:26] <jeg1972> Yeah, that seems down to the hardware vendor... we have HP Proliants that show the CPU info and Supermicros that don't
[28-Mar-2007 07:35:29] <xinit> but the speed, model and l1/l2 can be read from /proc/cpuinfo
[28-Mar-2007 07:35:38] <xinit> ah ok
[28-Mar-2007 07:35:50] <xinit> you read that via snmp?
[28-Mar-2007 07:35:55] <xinit> or via ssh?
[28-Mar-2007 07:36:29] <jeg1972> Yeah, we read all of our stuff via SNMP, but I'm going to set up an SSH reading on one box just so I can test it out
[28-Mar-2007 07:36:45] <xinit> ah ok
[28-Mar-2007 07:36:51] <xinit> I did that this morning with a BGP router
[28-Mar-2007 07:36:55] <xinit> running quagga
[28-Mar-2007 07:37:00] <xinit> wasn't such a good idea
[28-Mar-2007 07:37:00] <jeg1972> How did it go?
[28-Mar-2007 07:37:07] <xinit> the thing has 200.000 routes
[28-Mar-2007 07:37:35] <jeg1972> Ah!
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[28-Mar-2007 07:37:48] <xinit> would be nice to disable what you want to get and what you don't want to get
[28-Mar-2007 07:37:57] <xinit> next to that.. the routes change very often
[28-Mar-2007 07:38:13] <jeg1972> I haven't got around to monitoring my routers yet, only the switches
[28-Mar-2007 07:38:20] <xinit> yeah
[28-Mar-2007 07:38:23] <xinit> switches are nice
[28-Mar-2007 07:38:43] <xinit> I just added 4 of our HP switches
[28-Mar-2007 07:39:12] <jeg1972> cool...
[28-Mar-2007 07:39:16] <cavehamster> jeg1972, thanks a bunch for your help, it is appreciated.
[28-Mar-2007 07:39:20] <cavehamster> i'm going to bed
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[28-Mar-2007 07:39:38] <xinit> cavehamster: where do you live then/
[28-Mar-2007 07:39:41] <xinit> australia?
[28-Mar-2007 07:39:48] <jeg1972> Sorry I couldn't be of more help... I'll help as much as I can usually :-)
[28-Mar-2007 07:39:56] <cavehamster> nope, new mexico, usa
[28-Mar-2007 07:40:04] <cavehamster> <--- night owl
[28-Mar-2007 07:40:06] <xinit> haha
[28-Mar-2007 07:40:17] <jeg1972> Where are you xinit?
[28-Mar-2007 07:40:22] <xinit> netherlands
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[28-Mar-2007 07:41:10] <xinit> you?
[28-Mar-2007 07:41:25] <jeg1972> England
[28-Mar-2007 07:41:29] <xinit> ah, cool
[28-Mar-2007 07:41:45] <xinit> really should go there one time
[28-Mar-2007 07:42:03] <jeg1972> I've been to the Netherlands more than any other country... I love it
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[28-Mar-2007 07:42:26] <xinit> jeg1972: any particular reason?
[28-Mar-2007 07:42:43] <jeg1972> Why I like it?
[28-Mar-2007 07:42:47] <xinit> yes
[28-Mar-2007 07:43:07] <xinit> I ask, since lot of english people come here for the coffee shops
[28-Mar-2007 07:43:42] <jeg1972> Atmosphere is very chilled... and the people are friendly... and my Dutch isn't very good, but you all speak English incredibly well :-)
[28-Mar-2007 07:43:59] <xinit> haha
[28-Mar-2007 07:44:01] <xinit> we have to
[28-Mar-2007 07:44:27] <xinit> and it's in our culture (trading history) to speak different languages
[28-Mar-2007 07:44:48] <xinit> next tot that, all foreign tv shows are subtitled
[28-Mar-2007 07:45:00] <xinit> as opposed to what they do in germany and france
[28-Mar-2007 07:45:04] <jeg1972> I can say enough to get me by
[28-Mar-2007 07:45:15] <xinit> great!
[28-Mar-2007 07:45:35] <xinit> same goes for my english
[28-Mar-2007 07:45:36] <xinit>
[28-Mar-2007 07:45:43] <jeg1972> But every time I try to speak Dutch, you all want to practice your English!!! :-)
[28-Mar-2007 07:45:47] <xinit> hahaha
[28-Mar-2007 07:46:53] <xinit> last weekend I was in Amsterdam.. noticed that you hear a lot of English on the street
[28-Mar-2007 07:48:06] <jeg1972> We're really bad at learning languages over here...
[28-Mar-2007 07:49:36] <xinit> what languages do you learn in highschool normally?
[28-Mar-2007 07:50:37] <jeg1972> Well, I learnt French and German... but that was many years ago, it seems that Spanish is very popular now
[28-Mar-2007 07:52:09] <xinit> here we get french, german, english, dutch.. most of it from 4 to 6 years. Next to that, some schools allow you to take russian and spanish as well
[28-Mar-2007 07:52:17] <xinit> and latin and ancient greek
[28-Mar-2007 08:02:38] <jeg1972> We don't start early enough, although there are plans to start introducing languages earlier... I only learnt languages from 11-16 which is far too late
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[28-Mar-2007 08:52:29] <N[]VA> quick question
[28-Mar-2007 08:52:37] <N[]VA> if I wanted to scan my network range
[28-Mar-2007 08:52:40] <N[]VA> and add every device
[28-Mar-2007 08:52:44] <N[]VA> just for ping monitoring
[28-Mar-2007 08:52:55] <N[]VA> how would I do that in the fastest way?
[28-Mar-2007 09:06:05] <jeg1972> Add the subnet you want to monitor under the 'Networks' section of the GUI and then run an autodiscovery
[28-Mar-2007 09:11:46] <N[]VA> thanks
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[28-Mar-2007 09:13:04] <N[]VA> how would you run autodiscovery?
[28-Mar-2007 09:24:31] <jeg1972> logon to the console as the zenoss user and then run:
[28-Mar-2007 09:24:33] <jeg1972> snmpwalk -v1 -c communityString gate system
[28-Mar-2007 09:25:55] <jeg1972> Sorry ignore that last item, I p[asted the wrong entry
[28-Mar-2007 09:25:59] <jeg1972> You need:
[28-Mar-2007 09:26:08] <jeg1972> zendisc run --net xx.xx.xx.xx
[28-Mar-2007 09:26:24] <jeg1972> where xx.xx.xx.xx is the start of the subnet you want to discover
[28-Mar-2007 09:26:45] <jeg1972> You must run it as the zenoss user though
[28-Mar-2007 09:35:01] <N[]VA> yea
[28-Mar-2007 09:35:04] <N[]VA> found the issue
[28-Mar-2007 09:35:05] <N[]VA>
[28-Mar-2007 09:37:54] <N[]VA> SystemExit: network xx.xx.xx.xx not found in dmd
[28-Mar-2007 09:37:56] <N[]VA> hurmf
[28-Mar-2007 09:38:06] <N[]VA> running as zenoss user
[28-Mar-2007 09:38:11] <N[]VA> and obviously using the ip
[28-Mar-2007 09:38:15] <N[]VA> not xx.xx
[28-Mar-2007 09:38:39] <jeg1972> Did you add it in the GUI first?
[28-Mar-2007 09:39:36] <N[]VA> added the full range
[28-Mar-2007 09:39:45] <N[]VA> xx.xx.xx.xx/xx
[28-Mar-2007 09:40:55] <chet> Make sure you leave off the /xx part in the zendisc command line.
[28-Mar-2007 09:41:12] <N[]VA> ok
[28-Mar-2007 09:41:24] <N[]VA> ah
[28-Mar-2007 09:41:24] <chet> zenoss identifies networks by their network id, not cidr representation.
[28-Mar-2007 09:41:25] <N[]VA> right
[28-Mar-2007 09:41:26] <N[]VA> working
[28-Mar-2007 09:41:32] <N[]VA>
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[28-Mar-2007 13:28:35] <jp10558> Does anyone know what winexe is that the admin guide refers to for running commands on windows systems?
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[28-Mar-2007 13:43:16] <korozion> If I open the snmp port on a remote server, will zenoss detect it as if it was local?
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[28-Mar-2007 13:51:12] <jp10558> Does anyone have and documentation on winexe commands?
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[28-Mar-2007 14:54:50] <chet> jp10558: winexe commands are anything you can run from a windows cmd shell.
[28-Mar-2007 14:55:43] <chet> I actually just tried it for the first time.. and it worked. I'm shocked.
[28-Mar-2007 15:03:05] <jp10558> But I have to install winexe right
[28-Mar-2007 15:06:19] <chet> I suppose so. Mine was installed automatically since I did the source method on a Linux system.
[28-Mar-2007 15:06:58] <jp10558> oh, I see
[28-Mar-2007 15:07:09] <jp10558> How often is the WMI data updated by ZenWin?
[28-Mar-2007 15:10:13] <chet> 12 hours.. just like zenmodeler.
[28-Mar-2007 15:10:43] <chet> That's how often the list of services is rebuilt.
[28-Mar-2007 15:12:13] <jp10558> Oh boy... so how exactly do you know if a windows service goes down? 12 hours is a very long time
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[28-Mar-2007 15:25:06] <jp10558> anyone know what a Fault: <Fault -1: 'Unexpected Zope exception: exceptions.TypeError - dictionary key must be string'> means with zenwin?
[28-Mar-2007 15:28:30] <jp10558> This thing was working and now it isn't
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[28-Mar-2007 15:32:11] <baribaultg> help!!! Hey out there ..
[28-Mar-2007 15:32:30] <baribaultg> trying to install zenoss on openSuSE 10.2
[28-Mar-2007 15:32:46] <baribaultg> can anyone offer any wise information?
[28-Mar-2007 15:35:04] <baribaultg> WOW .. some people are short on caffeine here!!!!
[28-Mar-2007 15:36:00] <jp10558> I'm not sure how many people here actually know much about Zenoss
[28-Mar-2007 15:36:10] <creiht> baribaultg: Most of us here are users, that happen to also be working at our job
so ask and hopefully someone will answer[28-Mar-2007 15:36:37] <creiht> The devs have been super busy lately so they are not on IRC much
[28-Mar-2007 15:37:09] <creiht> They are usually fairly responsive to the mailing list though if you don't find your answer here
[28-Mar-2007 15:37:17] <jp10558> Let me just say this isn't exactly easy, and specifically ZenWin seems to be pretty broken
[28-Mar-2007 15:37:20] <baribaultg> ok .. I'm installing 1.1.1 on SuSe 10.2 and getting a message that mkzomeinsance.py is not foud ...
[28-Mar-2007 15:37:25] <jp10558> or non intuitave to set up
[28-Mar-2007 15:37:50] <jp10558> Do they watch the zen-users list or zen-dev list? How do you get on one of the lists? I tried in the forum, and just got an error
[28-Mar-2007 15:37:53] <creiht> baribaultg: Are you installing froum source
[28-Mar-2007 15:37:53] <baribaultg> I went in and checked the configure script and found that it was looking for 2.3.5 and I had 2.4.2 which it figured was not enough ..
[28-Mar-2007 15:38:07] <baribaultg> yep .. RPN does'nt work
[28-Mar-2007 15:38:35] <baribaultg> says I have MySQL too old .. I installed MySQL from www.mysql.com
[28-Mar-2007 15:38:41] <baribaultg> RPM
[28-Mar-2007 15:39:02] <baribaultg> but it was still pissed .. so I got pissed too and started the install from source
[28-Mar-2007 15:39:47] <baribaultg> I changed the configure script to work ... and now that's stating "must supply either home or prefix/exec-prefix -- not both"
[28-Mar-2007 15:40:08] <baribaultg> i swear .. this thing has no sense of humour!!!
[28-Mar-2007 15:40:15] <creiht> baribaultg: Which version of zenoss are you installing
[28-Mar-2007 15:40:18] <creiht> hehe
[28-Mar-2007 15:40:22] <baribaultg> 1.1..1
[28-Mar-2007 15:41:05] <baribaultg> I've surmounted many problems, but this one has me stumped
[28-Mar-2007 15:41:23] <creiht> hmmm
[28-Mar-2007 15:41:30] <creiht> I'm not sure if I will be much help
[28-Mar-2007 15:41:39] <creiht> Install from source worked without an issue for me
[28-Mar-2007 15:41:53] <creiht> I would try posting to the mailing list
[28-Mar-2007 15:42:12] <baribaultg> I'm trying to make zope by hand .. I'm trying make install or make instance in the build/zope-2.8.8-final direct
[28-Mar-2007 15:42:27] <creiht> hmmm
[28-Mar-2007 15:42:33] <creiht> It shouldn't have to be that hard
[28-Mar-2007 15:42:48] <creiht> baribaultg: You tried installing it with install.sh right?
[28-Mar-2007 15:42:49] <baribaultg> yep .. that's the way it always is with it....
[28-Mar-2007 15:42:53] <creiht> zenoss that is
[28-Mar-2007 15:42:55] <baribaultg> yep
[28-Mar-2007 15:43:11] <baribaultg> that failed with mkzomeinstance.py not found
[28-Mar-2007 15:43:35] <baribaultg> mkzopeinstance.py that is
[28-Mar-2007 15:43:54] <baribaultg> damn this Australian wine!
[28-Mar-2007 15:44:03] <baribaultg> :-)
[28-Mar-2007 15:44:10] <creiht> hehe
[28-Mar-2007 15:44:12] <creiht> thinking....
[28-Mar-2007 15:44:37] <baribaultg> yep .. I've been doing that for a few hours .. but in my case .. it's still not working
[28-Mar-2007 15:44:53] <creiht> You created the zenoss user, and exported the various ZEN variables as well?
[28-Mar-2007 15:44:59] <baribaultg> yep ..
[28-Mar-2007 15:45:14] <baribaultg> I'.m pretty sure I'm past that at this point ..
[28-Mar-2007 15:45:24] <creiht> hehe
[28-Mar-2007 15:45:29] <baribaultg> it creates the MySQL tables and a bunch of stuff
[28-Mar-2007 15:45:35] <creiht> Did the install every fail before you had this issue?
[28-Mar-2007 15:45:41] <creiht> err ever
[28-Mar-2007 15:45:55] <baribaultg> hey .. I Downloaded it this afternoon for the first time ..
[28-Mar-2007 15:46:04] <creiht> hehe
[28-Mar-2007 15:46:12] <baribaultg> I got all of the SNMP working .. tested it with MRTG ..
[28-Mar-2007 15:46:21] <baribaultg> now I'm at zenoss .. :-D
[28-Mar-2007 15:46:25] <baribaultg> having fun ..
[28-Mar-2007 15:46:57] <creiht> look at zenbuild.log
[28-Mar-2007 15:47:05] <creiht> and see if it has anything revealing in there
[28-Mar-2007 15:47:11] <creiht> at the end of the file
[28-Mar-2007 15:47:25] <baribaultg> brb
[28-Mar-2007 15:48:05] <baribaultg> nah .. eof says events database created and loaded
[28-Mar-2007 15:48:26] <creiht> jp10558: And I wish I could help, but unfortunately I haven't had to use zenwin yet
[28-Mar-2007 15:48:57] <baribaultg> I'm not on Windoze .. I'm on OpenSuSE
[28-Mar-2007 15:49:17] <creiht> baribaultg: Yeah... I was just telling that to jp10558
[28-Mar-2007 15:49:33] <baribaultg> anyone else here alive? There's 31 people here .. anyone else awake?
[28-Mar-2007 15:49:40] <baribaultg> LOL
[28-Mar-2007 15:51:50] <creiht> baribaultg: What do you get if you type in
[28-Mar-2007 15:51:55] <creiht> echo $ZENHOME
[28-Mar-2007 15:52:08] <baribaultg> brb
[28-Mar-2007 15:52:30] <baribaultg> nada .. WTF
[28-Mar-2007 15:52:56] <creiht> baribaultg: Well that is probably the problem
[28-Mar-2007 15:53:49] <baribaultg> DAMN .. I was sure I was under the zenoss user .. and I adjusted .profile
[28-Mar-2007 15:53:55] <baribaultg> trying again
[28-Mar-2007 15:54:19] <baribaultg> this will take 2 or 3 minutes
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[28-Mar-2007 16:11:31] <baribaultg> still working on it
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[28-Mar-2007 16:13:23] <baribaultg> the ssytem was not reading and executing my .profile .. don't know why
[28-Mar-2007 16:13:39] <creiht> odd
[28-Mar-2007 16:13:41] <baribaultg> I just did the exports by hand
[28-Mar-2007 16:13:45] <baribaultg> yep
[28-Mar-2007 16:14:56] <jreese2> is there a good resource for the requirements of developing a plugin? the wiki page for it is empty :/
[28-Mar-2007 16:15:06] <jreese2> (data collector plugin)
[28-Mar-2007 16:16:39] <creiht> jreese2: There are not a whole lot of docs on that yet
[28-Mar-2007 16:16:47] <creiht> They are working on a system for that
[28-Mar-2007 16:16:50] <baribaultg> Tia%bB&M
[28-Mar-2007 16:16:52] <jreese2> ok
[28-Mar-2007 16:16:53] <creiht> A new system
[28-Mar-2007 16:17:00] <creiht> Called zenpack
[28-Mar-2007 16:17:17] <creiht> I'm waiting for that to come out myself
[28-Mar-2007 16:17:22] <creiht> so that I can write a plugin
[28-Mar-2007 16:17:29] <jreese2> no alpha/betas available?
[28-Mar-2007 16:17:45] <creiht> jreese2: Not that I know of...
[28-Mar-2007 16:18:07] <baribaultg> DAMN .. again .. 'can't open /usr/local/zenoss/bin/mkzopeinstance,py'
[28-Mar-2007 16:18:12] <jreese2> iight
[28-Mar-2007 16:18:35] <creiht> baribaultg: what happens if you do:
[28-Mar-2007 16:18:41] <creiht> ls /usr/local/zenoss/bin/mkzopeinstance,py
[28-Mar-2007 16:19:02] <baribaultg> and echo $ZENHOME is good this time
[28-Mar-2007 16:20:02] <baribaultg> no such file or direc##tory
[28-Mar-2007 16:20:10] <baribaultg> not found
[28-Mar-2007 16:20:18] <baribaultg> it didn't create it
[28-Mar-2007 16:20:28] <creiht> jreese2: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/WhatIsAZenPack
[28-Mar-2007 16:20:28] <adytum-bot> Title: WhatIsAZenPack - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[28-Mar-2007 16:20:36] <creiht> baribaultg: What is your ZENHOME set to?
[28-Mar-2007 16:22:13] <creiht> jreese2: It looks like they have the beginnings of the zenpack stuff in the current trunk
[28-Mar-2007 16:28:38] <baribaultg> $ZENHOME says /usr/local/zenoss
[28-Mar-2007 16:28:50] <baribaultg> gotta go get dinner
[28-Mar-2007 16:28:58] <baribaultg> be back later
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[28-Mar-2007 19:16:04] <breadatfacebook> hola zenoss chat
[28-Mar-2007 19:16:56] <breadatfacebook> I'm doing a zenoss eval, wondering how to drop incoming events (I know its possible, looking for an example of howto)
[28-Mar-2007 19:25:21] <breadatfacebook> I added 2000 hosts, now I've got thousands of events
[28-Mar-2007 19:25:28] <breadatfacebook> can't figure out how to clear the event console
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[28-Mar-2007 19:53:37] <cavehamster> so, maybe I am overlooking it, but is there a way to have zenoss continue to send an alert every x minutes until it is resolved?
[28-Mar-2007 20:00:52] <breadatfacebook> thats a good question, I'd like to know too
[28-Mar-2007 20:01:41] <breadatfacebook> damn, multiple event view rules on evt.component doesnt work
[28-Mar-2007 20:02:06] <cavehamster> hmm
[28-Mar-2007 20:02:59] <breadatfacebook> so its my 2nd day, but things that I thought would intuitively just "work" don't work the way I thought...uggg
[28-Mar-2007 20:03:59] <Snake-Eyes> events can be moved to history and then from there deleted
[28-Mar-2007 20:04:32] <Snake-Eyes> err or maybe not deleted from history
[28-Mar-2007 20:05:10] <Snake-Eyes> but they can be moved from events page to history
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[28-Mar-2007 21:01:51] <breadatfacebook> aahh..ok
[28-Mar-2007 21:10:44] <breadatfacebook> lets see if my eventclass works...
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[29-Mar-2007 02:58:12] <jeg1972> Morning everyone!
[29-Mar-2007 03:15:09] <Snake-Eyes> Good night, im off home
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[29-Mar-2007 04:37:38] <N[]VA> morning
[29-Mar-2007 04:44:19] <jeg1972> Morning
[29-Mar-2007 04:49:49] <N[]VA> have a question you might be able to help with
[29-Mar-2007 04:49:55] <N[]VA> web site monitoring
[29-Mar-2007 04:50:11] <N[]VA> I found the article inthe wiki
[29-Mar-2007 04:50:33] <N[]VA> though for checking and data points its blank
[29-Mar-2007 04:50:34] <N[]VA> =\
[29-Mar-2007 04:51:05] <N[]VA> there a pre set way to monitor websites in zenoss?
[29-Mar-2007 04:58:12] <jeg1972> Well, that's the next thing on my list to do... You can do it with the Nagios check_http plugin. See here: http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=236&highlight=checkhttp
[29-Mar-2007 04:58:12] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - website monitoring? (at community.zenoss.com)
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[29-Mar-2007 05:23:59] <N[]VA> thanks
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[29-Mar-2007 06:35:09] <N[]VA> jeg1972 got a min?
[29-Mar-2007 06:35:28] <jeg1972> Yes, I have at the moment
[29-Mar-2007 06:35:32] <N[]VA> kewl
[29-Mar-2007 06:35:40] <N[]VA> I still dont see how this is meant to work
[29-Mar-2007 06:36:17] <N[]VA> have added the rule as per the wiki/forum
[29-Mar-2007 06:36:19] <jeg1972> What part?
[29-Mar-2007 06:36:28] <jeg1972> OK.
[29-Mar-2007 06:37:13] <N[]VA> from console it works
[29-Mar-2007 06:37:18] <N[]VA> fetches the page
[29-Mar-2007 06:37:21] <N[]VA> finds what im looking for
[29-Mar-2007 06:37:46] <N[]VA> component set to pagecheks
[29-Mar-2007 06:38:23] <N[]VA> so thats all setup
[29-Mar-2007 06:38:25] <N[]VA> and from there?
[29-Mar-2007 06:38:32] <N[]VA> it just dosent seem to do any thing
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[29-Mar-2007 06:43:33] <N[]VA> getting OperationalError: (1305, 'PROCEDURE events.age_events does not exist')
[29-Mar-2007 06:43:37] <N[]VA> in zenactions.log
[29-Mar-2007 06:44:50] <N[]VA> thats mail related though
[29-Mar-2007 06:44:51] <N[]VA> i think
[29-Mar-2007 06:46:27] <jeg1972> MMmm, I'll try and investigate
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[29-Mar-2007 07:04:46] <N[]VA> I suspect there is a problem with my install
[29-Mar-2007 07:04:48] <N[]VA> busy redoing it
[29-Mar-2007 07:04:56] <N[]VA> though cant rpm -e nor yum remove
[29-Mar-2007 07:05:03] <N[]VA> line 2: /opt/zenoss/bin/shared-functions.sh: No such file or directory
[29-Mar-2007 07:05:11] <N[]VA> error: %preun(zenoss-1.1.1-0.i386) scriptlet failed, exit status 1
[29-Mar-2007 07:12:08] <jp10558> Still trying to get ZenWin working again - anyone here have any ideas about Fault: <Fault -1: 'Unexpected Zope exception: exceptions.TypeError - dictionary key must be string'> ?
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[29-Mar-2007 09:48:07] <jp10558> Still trying to get ZenWin working again - anyone here have any ideas about Fault: <Fault -1: 'Unexpected Zope exception: exceptions.TypeError - dictionary key must be string'> ? I've tried resetting the config file... I think there's something wrong in the Zenoss server...
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[29-Mar-2007 09:57:25] <chet> jp.. just posted the solution to the mailing list.
[29-Mar-2007 09:58:26] <chet> just forwarded it to you.
[29-Mar-2007 10:03:01] <jp10558> you know, I don't think I get mailing list posts in the forums
[29-Mar-2007 10:03:08] <jp10558> your old post on the other one never showed up
[29-Mar-2007 10:03:46] <chet> yeah.. the bridge seems broken.
[29-Mar-2007 10:03:56] <chet> I like mailing lists because it's easier for me to see what I've already read.
[29-Mar-2007 10:08:13] <jp10558> If I could join the mailing list
[29-Mar-2007 10:08:29] <jp10558> It just gives me errors on trying to set that in prefs in both Opera 9.1 and IE6
[29-Mar-2007 10:10:25] <jp10558> Do you know how to remove machines from the Zenoss infrastructure? Because my XP machine never worked with ZenWin, I've "retired" it and set up a Server 2k3 machine for that - but I keep getting dashboard entries for the old XP machine
[29-Mar-2007 10:10:42] <chet> What kind of entries?
[29-Mar-2007 10:10:43] <jp10558> I've removed the device that was the XP machine from the console, but it still gives infrastructure failures
[29-Mar-2007 10:10:51] <jp10558> on the overview of the dashboard
[29-Mar-2007 10:10:57] <chet> oh.. go into event manager and clear heartbeats
[29-Mar-2007 10:11:06] <chet> With no old heartbeats it won't expect new ones.
[29-Mar-2007 10:11:35] <jp10558> oh ok
[29-Mar-2007 10:11:37] <jp10558> thanks
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[29-Mar-2007 10:35:18] <jp10558> If I upgrade perl - do I need to reinstall Zenoss, or change the configuration, or will it just detect the new version?
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[29-Mar-2007 10:55:25] <chet> Your version of perl shouldn't matter at all.
[29-Mar-2007 10:58:24] <jreese2> does anyone know which ZenModel is used for bandwidth monitoring?
[29-Mar-2007 10:58:29] <jp10558> err python lol
[29-Mar-2007 10:59:32] <chet> jreese2: I'm not sure I understand the question.. IpInterface is the model it is keyed on. RRDTemplate would be the model for the time-series data.
[29-Mar-2007 11:00:01] <creiht> jp10558: It should in theory pick it up. I would stop zenoss before you do the upgrade. What version are you upgrading to, and on what OS?
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[29-Mar-2007 11:00:25] <chet> jp10558: You definitely need to reinstall zenoss and all of it's externallibs. Remove $ZENHOME/bin $ZENHOME/lib $ZENHOME/Products and reinstall zenoss.
[29-Mar-2007 11:00:29] <chet> Your data will stay.
[29-Mar-2007 11:01:06] <jreese2> RRDTemplate is probably what i needed, thanks
[29-Mar-2007 11:01:23] <jp10558> How do I evaulate $ZenHome?
[29-Mar-2007 11:01:32] <jp10558> do I just type that in?
[29-Mar-2007 11:01:46] <creiht> jp10558: Of course what chet said is much safer
[29-Mar-2007 11:01:52] <chet> As long as you're the zenoss user you sould be able to "echo $ZENHOME" and see.
[29-Mar-2007 11:02:00] <jp10558> ah ha
[29-Mar-2007 11:02:00] <chet> If I recall, yours is /usr/local/zenoss
[29-Mar-2007 11:03:02] <jp10558> cool - it's /opt/zenoss
[29-Mar-2007 11:03:04] <jp10558> found it
[29-Mar-2007 11:03:19] <jp10558> ok, so I remove those, and reinstall zenoss - should I also uninstall the older version of python?
[29-Mar-2007 11:03:54] <creiht> jp10558: You can leave the old version installed
[29-Mar-2007 11:04:25] <creiht> Most linuxes install separate versions, and then symlink python to a specific version
[29-Mar-2007 11:04:27] <jp10558> is there a safe RPM for RHEL4? I found one for fedora core 3, but ...
[29-Mar-2007 11:04:56] <creiht> jp10558: For python?
[29-Mar-2007 11:05:00] <jp10558> yes
[29-Mar-2007 11:05:08] <creiht> What version are you running right now?
[29-Mar-2007 11:05:19] <chet> jp10558: Run "env python -V"
[29-Mar-2007 11:05:28] <chet> That'll tell you which version of python is the default.
[29-Mar-2007 11:05:46] <jp10558> 2.3.4
[29-Mar-2007 11:05:46] <creiht> The latest "official" version of Python for RHEL4 is 2.3
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:02] <jp10558> I need to go to 2.4 for Zenoss to work with ZenWin correctly
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:13] <creiht> Install Ubuntu
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:31] <creiht> There are no "safe" RPMS for python 2.4 for RHEL4
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:41] <creiht> or supported I should say
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:44] <jp10558> Well, our Linux Support people only use Scientific Linux 4, which is basically RHEL4
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:46] <creiht> You can download the source
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:53] <creiht> And compile
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:58] <jp10558> mmm
[29-Mar-2007 11:06:59] <creiht> Which I did on RHEL3
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:00] <jp10558> ok
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:06] <creiht> It was fairly easy
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:11] <creiht> And has worked so far for me
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:17] <jp10558> ok
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:27] <creiht> Another sticky thing
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:44] <creiht> Redhat uses Python for a lot of its utilities and such
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:46] <jp10558> is there a zenoss uninstall? Or can I just remove $ZENHOME ... and run the installers again
[29-Mar-2007 11:07:57] <creiht> just remove $ZENHOME
[29-Mar-2007 11:08:12] <jp10558> ok
[29-Mar-2007 11:08:26] <creiht> So the safest thing is to keep the current python installed
[29-Mar-2007 11:08:34] <jp10558> right, and just install the newer one
[29-Mar-2007 11:08:39] <creiht> yes
[29-Mar-2007 11:08:47] <jp10558> ok, I think I will bug our Linux people a little too
[29-Mar-2007 11:08:57] <creiht> jp10558: It can be a bit of a pain
[29-Mar-2007 11:09:20] <creiht> Of course you could upgrade to RHEL5
[29-Mar-2007 11:09:28] <creiht> Which supports 2.4
[29-Mar-2007 11:12:18] <creiht> jp10558: How important is the box that you are installing zenoss on? I would suggest testing installing python 2.4 on a test system
[29-Mar-2007 11:12:28] <creiht> Just to be safe
[29-Mar-2007 11:16:20] <jp10558> oh, it's not an important machine at all
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[29-Mar-2007 11:36:19] <creiht> oubiwann: How's it going?
[29-Mar-2007 11:37:13] <creiht> oubiwann: Oh wow... it works now... so I guess I don't have a question for you
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[29-Mar-2007 12:05:02] <xerophyte> I have installed the zenoss using vmware image, what is the default password to login ?
[29-Mar-2007 12:07:17] <jp10558> zenoss
[29-Mar-2007 12:07:27] <jp10558> that is, un admin
[29-Mar-2007 12:07:29] <jp10558> pass zenoss
[29-Mar-2007 12:11:03] <jreese2> hrmf
[29-Mar-2007 12:11:21] <jreese2> ok, well i have my plugin written now... now i have to figure out how to get zenoss to try and query that oid
[29-Mar-2007 12:15:13] <jreese2> got it
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[29-Mar-2007 12:38:13] <jreese2> does zenoss cache datacollector plugins after it loads them? i'm trying to make modifications and restarting zenperfsnmp but it doesn't seem to change anything
[29-Mar-2007 12:52:06] <monrad_> anyone had problems removing data sources?
[29-Mar-2007 12:57:16] <chet> monrad: Yup.. known bug.
[29-Mar-2007 12:57:24] <chet> monrad: I can give you a temporary solution..
[29-Mar-2007 12:58:03] <monrad> yes
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[29-Mar-2007 12:58:07] <monrad> what
[29-Mar-2007 12:58:23] <chet> Open Products/ZenModel/RRDTemplate.py and comment out lines 222 and 223
[29-Mar-2007 12:58:30] <chet> Then zopectl restart
[29-Mar-2007 12:58:42] <monrad> i accidental collection temperature info for HP 380-DL g3 for all my servers
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[29-Mar-2007 12:59:03] <chet> jreese2: zenperfsnmp doesn't use datacollector plugins.
[29-Mar-2007 12:59:17] <chet> jreese2: zenmodeler and zendisc use them.
[29-Mar-2007 13:00:04] <jreese2> ah ok
[29-Mar-2007 13:01:38] <monrad> chet: thanks
[29-Mar-2007 13:01:55] <chet> monrad: The ticket is #1071 if you want to track it.
[29-Mar-2007 13:03:53] <jreese2> anyone know off the top of their head a really good site for a kickstart in python?
[29-Mar-2007 13:04:23] <chet> http://www.diveintopython.org/toc/index.html
[29-Mar-2007 13:04:23] <adytum-bot> Title: Dive Into Python (at www.diveintopython.org)
[29-Mar-2007 13:04:23] <jreese2> i can "get around" in it, but don't have much experience
[29-Mar-2007 13:04:32] <jreese2> thanks guys
[29-Mar-2007 13:09:22] <chet> jp10558: I'm running CentOS 4.4 and just installed python from source with --prefix=/opt/zenoss.
[29-Mar-2007 13:09:43] <chet> This way my CentOS still has its 2.3.5 for everything, but Zenoss runs using its own copy of 2.4.
[29-Mar-2007 13:11:09] <chet> The only other thing I had to change to make this work was adding PYTHON=$ZENHOME/bin/python to my zenoss user's .bash_profile and exporting it.
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[29-Mar-2007 13:19:16] <ghetek> Hey guys, i just saw zenoss core as project of the month at sourceforge. I'm having trouble understanding the use of zenoss. currently i use open-audit for a lot of my auditing and a little monitoring of networks i support (i work for an IT consulting firm) so, zenoss is a *nix webapp that takes in various types of info from clients and displays it right?
[29-Mar-2007 13:19:48] <ghetek> does it pick up system info from windows machines?
[29-Mar-2007 13:21:42] <creiht> ghetek: The main purpose of Zenoss is network monitoring
[29-Mar-2007 13:21:52] <creiht> So it makes sure systems and their services are up and running
[29-Mar-2007 13:21:57] <creiht> Alerts you if anything goes down
[29-Mar-2007 13:22:09] <ghetek> ah great
[29-Mar-2007 13:22:11] <creiht> It also does some inventory tracking on the side if you want it to
[29-Mar-2007 13:22:31] <ghetek> do i need root access, or can i put this puppy on my shared hosting?
[29-Mar-2007 13:22:55] <creiht> ghetek: For certain processes it needs sudo access
[29-Mar-2007 13:23:00] <chet> root access is required for ping, syslog and snmp trap monitoring.
[29-Mar-2007 13:23:39] <ghetek> mmm
[29-Mar-2007 13:24:15] <ghetek> well then it looks like im going to try and stuff another mini-itx into my quarter cabinet d:
[29-Mar-2007 13:24:40] <creiht> ghetek: If you just want to take it for a test drive, the easyiest way to try it out is to download the vmware player image
[29-Mar-2007 13:24:53] <ghetek> i think i will, thanks guys
[29-Mar-2007 13:26:36] <ghetek> last question, my clients are 90% windows. windows has ok functionality? does windows support all the features on the clientside?
[29-Mar-2007 13:28:58] <creiht> ghetek: For monitoring?
[29-Mar-2007 13:29:56] <ghetek> well for auditing (belarc advisor type stuff) and event monitoring (low disk space, high mem useage, system events...)
[29-Mar-2007 13:30:14] <creiht> Zenoss monitors Windows clients fine, though it is recommend to install SNMPInformant to get extra stats
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[29-Mar-2007 13:30:21] <ghetek> im just trying to get off of open-audit
[29-Mar-2007 13:30:38] <creiht> I haven't used open-audit before, so I'm not sure what it does
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[29-Mar-2007 13:31:17] <ghetek> its a network auditing web application that can monitor based on active directory access.
[29-Mar-2007 13:31:37] <ghetek> but it is VERY weak. it relies on .vbs scripting
[29-Mar-2007 13:32:17] <creiht> ghetek: What types of things are you wanting to audit?
[29-Mar-2007 13:34:17] <ghetek> i want to know everything that can be picked up about their hardware. i want it to check system status on a regular basis and tell me about possible system issues. Missing updates, low disk space, high mem useage...
[29-Mar-2007 13:34:29] <creiht> gotcha
[29-Mar-2007 13:34:40] <ghetek> does zenoss handle that?
[29-Mar-2007 13:34:40] <creiht> Well it will tell you what software is installed
[29-Mar-2007 13:34:54] <creiht> It doesn't go the extra step of telling you what might be out of date
[29-Mar-2007 13:35:36] <creiht> It also tells you when the software is installed
[29-Mar-2007 13:35:48] <ghetek> ok check this out. this is what i currently use. and if you dont mind looking at something you might get a better idea. http://audit.hamelinnovations.com
[29-Mar-2007 13:35:48] <adytum-bot> Title: Site Temporarily Unavailable (at audit.hamelinnovations.com)
[29-Mar-2007 13:36:02] <ghetek> hahaha neverming
[29-Mar-2007 13:36:03] <creiht> hehe
[29-Mar-2007 13:36:41] <ghetek> well thats troubling
[29-Mar-2007 13:37:01] <creiht> It will also tell you which servers have a particular piece of software installed
[29-Mar-2007 13:37:29] <ghetek> i do like that
[29-Mar-2007 13:37:35] <ghetek> yeah i will give it a shot
[29-Mar-2007 13:37:38] <ghetek> thanks again
[29-Mar-2007 13:37:43] <creiht> cool
[29-Mar-2007 13:37:48] <ghetek> creiht are you a dev?
[29-Mar-2007 13:37:58] <creiht> ghetek: Nope... just a happy user
[29-Mar-2007 13:38:14] <creiht> Most of the devs are very busy working on it right now
[29-Mar-2007 13:38:27] <creiht> So they are not on irc as much as they used to be
[29-Mar-2007 13:38:57] <ghetek> http://winventory.sourceforge.net/images/hardware.jpg
[29-Mar-2007 13:38:57] <ghetek> just curious as to what you think of this
[29-Mar-2007 13:38:57] <creiht> If you run into problems, ask here, and if you don't get a response, then ask on the mailing list
[29-Mar-2007 13:38:57] <ghetek> this is what i currently use (its an older version)
[29-Mar-2007 13:39:08] <creiht> They try to monitor the mailing list often
[29-Mar-2007 13:40:04] <creiht> ghetek: The base snmp stuff will give you information about CPU, Memory and disk
[29-Mar-2007 13:40:16] <ghetek> cool
[29-Mar-2007 13:40:23] <creiht> I don't think things like the video card, monitor, etc are exposed through snmp
[29-Mar-2007 13:40:31] <ghetek> yeah
[29-Mar-2007 13:40:44] <creiht> There is a WMI plugin that will pull more data, but I have not used it though, so I'm not sure what is available with it
[29-Mar-2007 13:40:44] <ghetek> im guessing that this software is a competitor
[29-Mar-2007 13:41:18] <creiht> The devs are very open to suggestions though
[29-Mar-2007 13:41:44] <creiht> So if you would like to see that type of stuff, send an email to the mailing list and/or open a ticket
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[29-Mar-2007 13:43:16] <ghetek> cool
[29-Mar-2007 13:47:04] <breadatfacebook> when I try to test my pager, I get 111, 'Connection refused'
[29-Mar-2007 13:47:13] <breadatfacebook> anyone seen that before?
[29-Mar-2007 13:47:31] <creiht> breadatfacebook: Is this for an alert inside Zenoss?
[29-Mar-2007 13:47:53] <breadatfacebook> its when you setup a new user and press the "test" button to send a test page
[29-Mar-2007 13:48:00] <breadatfacebook> the UI is fine
[29-Mar-2007 13:48:04] <breadatfacebook> but the "test" fails
[29-Mar-2007 13:48:35] <creiht> I think that it means that zope can't connect to your mail server
[29-Mar-2007 13:48:55] <breadatfacebook> ohh, got it. the "pager" does not use SMTP
[29-Mar-2007 13:49:13] <breadatfacebook> 111 = sunrpc
[29-Mar-2007 13:50:21] <creiht> breadatfacebook: You might also check:
[29-Mar-2007 13:50:36] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/FAQ#WhyistheerrorConnectionwasrefusedbyotherside:111:Connectionrefusedinmyzenperfsmporzenprocesslog
[29-Mar-2007 13:50:36] <adytum-bot> Title: FAQ - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[29-Mar-2007 13:50:55] <creiht> But I bet it is a mail server problem
[29-Mar-2007 13:54:16] <creiht> Off to a meeting... bbl
[29-Mar-2007 13:54:24] <breadatfacebook> thanks for the wiki link...checking.......
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[29-Mar-2007 14:53:51] <fincher> might as well break the silence...I'm looking into monitoring solutions; zenoss is a frontrunner, but what other solutions do you see yourself competing with?
[29-Mar-2007 14:53:55] <fincher> Nagios, clearly.
[29-Mar-2007 14:55:28] <breadatfacebook> hobbit is a competitor
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[29-Mar-2007 15:00:29] <breadatfacebook> so...whats the best way to "block" events from showing up?
[29-Mar-2007 15:00:48] <breadatfacebook> I've got a filesystem called /mnt/v14 that is 100% full on purpose. so I don't need an event for it.
[29-Mar-2007 15:01:18] <breadatfacebook> I tried EventClassMap-ing something, but can't get it to work
[29-Mar-2007 15:08:56] <creiht> fincher: OpenNMS
[29-Mar-2007 15:10:27] <creiht> breadatfacebook: Click on the /mnt/v14 filesystem in Zenoss to bring up the information
[29-Mar-2007 15:10:38] <creiht> Then click on the PerfConf tab
[29-Mar-2007 15:10:44] <creiht> Click the Local Copy button
[29-Mar-2007 15:10:52] <creiht> And delete the threshold
[29-Mar-2007 15:12:02] <breadatfacebook> cool...lets say I have 100 machines with /mnt/v14...is there a way to change them all at once?
[29-Mar-2007 15:12:28] <jreese2> hrmf
[29-Mar-2007 15:12:34] <jreese2> guess i have to make my own ZenModel
[29-Mar-2007 15:12:42] <creiht> breadatfacebook: I bet there is
[29-Mar-2007 15:12:51] <creiht> But I don't know off the top of my head
[29-Mar-2007 15:12:54] <creiht> hold on... looking
[29-Mar-2007 15:13:43] <creiht> hmm
[29-Mar-2007 15:13:47] <creiht> I dunno sorry breadatfacebook
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[29-Mar-2007 15:16:24] <breadatfacebook> cool, thanks for looking. I could always extend the FileSystem or "FreeSpace90Percent" logic I suppose
[29-Mar-2007 15:16:45] <breadatfacebook> be nice if I could exclude based on component.
[29-Mar-2007 15:17:02] <creiht> breadatfacebook: I would send an email first to the mailing list
[29-Mar-2007 15:17:10] <creiht> The devs have been very open to request
[29-Mar-2007 15:17:19] <breadatfacebook> OK, I'll try it, thanks
[29-Mar-2007 15:17:28] <creiht> There are also a lot of times where I have found out that things are possible, but I just wasn't looking in the right place
[29-Mar-2007 15:17:38] <creiht> I have found Zenoss to be very flexible
[29-Mar-2007 15:17:47] <breadatfacebook> I get that feeling too....you have to look in the right place
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[29-Mar-2007 15:29:28] <creiht> breadatfacebook: There have also been things that I have found out are there but haven't been exposed in the UI yet because nobody has asked for it yet
[29-Mar-2007 15:29:47] <breadatfacebook> like what?
[29-Mar-2007 15:30:01] <breadatfacebook> sounds cool.
[29-Mar-2007 15:30:28] <creiht> Well for a long time the "undo" like features were there but not exposed yet
[29-Mar-2007 15:31:25] <creiht> So a lot of times it's: "Ask, and ye shall receive!"
[29-Mar-2007 15:32:29] <jreese2> does anyone know of a good model i could map an iis web site to, or do you think i need to make my own? i want to track bandwidth use/etc
[29-Mar-2007 15:33:04] <creiht> jreese2: By default all devices track net usage
[29-Mar-2007 15:33:21] <jreese2> this is per-site in iis
[29-Mar-2007 15:33:36] <creiht> Oh for virtual domains?
[29-Mar-2007 15:33:39] <jreese2> yeah
[29-Mar-2007 15:33:43] <creiht> hmmm
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:12] <creiht> Right now zenoss looks at an interface level
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:27] <creiht> So any further will need to be implemented separately
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:33] <jreese2> yeah i know
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:36] <jreese2> i've got a plugin that i made
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:41] <creiht> ahhh
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:42] <creiht> cool
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:50] <jreese2> that seems to be going through each iis virt correctly, i just don't know where to store it
[29-Mar-2007 15:34:58] <creiht> oh gotcha
[29-Mar-2007 15:35:04] <jreese2> i'm getting an exception thrown when trying to put it into os/software
[29-Mar-2007 15:35:30] <creiht> I'm not sure where the best place for that would be
[29-Mar-2007 15:35:39] <creiht> But my guess is that you might need your own model
[29-Mar-2007 15:35:43] <jreese2> yeah :/
[29-Mar-2007 15:35:49] <jreese2> fun!
[29-Mar-2007 15:35:58] <jreese2> i'm pretty much completely new to python
[29-Mar-2007 15:36:14] <creiht> It's pretty easy to pick up
[29-Mar-2007 15:36:15] <jreese2> messed with it a little bit when using the Battlefield 2 / 2142 servers, but don't have anything to call experience
[29-Mar-2007 15:36:17] <jreese2> yeah
[29-Mar-2007 15:36:44] <creiht> jreese2: Are you playing with the new zenpack stuff, or are you hacking the old code?
[29-Mar-2007 15:36:59] <jreese2> lol, i think i'm hacking the old code
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:04] <jreese2> not sure though...
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:11] <creiht> The zenpack stuff is supposed to make it a lot easier
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:21] <creiht> If you were using the zenpacks you would know
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:25] <jreese2> working in ~/Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:35] <creiht> yeah that is the old stuff
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:38] <jreese2> ahh
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:46] <jreese2> well dang, that seemed pretty simple
[29-Mar-2007 15:37:55] <jreese2> i just downloaded the vmware build of zenoss
[29-Mar-2007 15:38:16] <creiht> Yeah... they are still working on the zenpack stuff as far as I know
[29-Mar-2007 15:38:21] <jreese2> found it on /. and thought it'd work for something my employer is trying to do
[29-Mar-2007 15:38:29] <creiht> cool
[29-Mar-2007 15:39:23] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/WhatIsAZenPack
[29-Mar-2007 15:39:23] <adytum-bot> Title: WhatIsAZenPack - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[29-Mar-2007 15:39:23] <creiht> Is a taste of what is to come
[29-Mar-2007 15:39:24] <jreese2> zenpack is cool!
[29-Mar-2007 15:39:28] <creiht> I think the next release will have it
[29-Mar-2007 15:39:29] <creiht> hehe
[29-Mar-2007 15:39:50] <jreese2> so maybe i can pull a dev version
[29-Mar-2007 15:40:38] <creiht> jreese2: If you ar feeling brave, you can download trunk
[29-Mar-2007 15:41:21] <jreese2>
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[29-Mar-2007 16:33:59] <jreese> so, the datacollector just goes out and finds things to monitor, are there plugins that you can make that tell it *how* to monitor it? such as how to get the inbound/outbound traffic
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[29-Mar-2007 16:59:50] <densone> hey room
[29-Mar-2007 17:00:04] <densone> anyone have a sec to help with with a setup error?
[29-Mar-2007 17:00:33] <densone> $ ./build.sh
[29-Mar-2007 17:00:33] <densone> Password for the Zenoss "admin" user [zenoss]:
[29-Mar-2007 17:00:33] <densone> Enter the password again:
[29-Mar-2007 17:00:33] <densone> unable to find the "patch" program
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[29-Mar-2007 17:10:05] <creiht> densone: What os are you running?
[29-Mar-2007 17:11:53] <pozer> probably check for patch in your PATH
[29-Mar-2007 17:12:15] <creiht> densone: Or install patch if it isn't installed for some reason
[29-Mar-2007 17:13:12] <creiht> jreese: Yeah I think that stuff is in ZenRRD
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[29-Mar-2007 17:29:43] <breadatfacebook> I may have found a solution to my filesystem issues in a forum
[29-Mar-2007 17:30:06] <breadatfacebook> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1307
[29-Mar-2007 17:30:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - File Systems still alerting even with "Monitor = False (at community.zenoss.com)
[29-Mar-2007 17:33:52] <dens1> creiht:I installed patch and that was fine
[29-Mar-2007 17:34:39] <dens1> thanks
so now its looking for mysql_confg [29-Mar-2007 17:34:53] <dens1> the package I installed doesnt come with it
[29-Mar-2007 17:35:02] <dens1> anyone know what package it comes from
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[29-Mar-2007 17:39:55] <creiht> breadatfacebook: Cool... I knew it would be in there somewhere
[29-Mar-2007 17:40:33] <creiht> dens1: Sorry... not sure about that one
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[29-Mar-2007 18:56:07] <ricko73> hello
[29-Mar-2007 18:56:31] <ricko73> possible new user here. I'm evaluating zenoss and a few other options
[29-Mar-2007 19:02:24] <ricko73> Is it possible to use zenoss to fill out a form on a website and respond if the action completes OK?
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[29-Mar-2007 19:55:48] <breadatfacebook> anyone have the quick explanation of the difference between a "group" and a "system"
[29-Mar-2007 19:56:04] <breadatfacebook> both are methods of arranging hosts based on type or function, I think
[29-Mar-2007 19:56:16] <breadatfacebook> but I'm curious as to how people have actually used this
[29-Mar-2007 19:56:46] <breadatfacebook> for instance, I'm planning on creating "systems" for the different hardware functional tiers (ie database, web, etc)
[29-Mar-2007 19:59:30] <breadatfacebook> and then "groups" for hosts that have something in common other than the functional tier (such as all connected to the same netapp for example)
[29-Mar-2007 19:59:53] <breadatfacebook> what...everybody gone home? oh yeah, you guys are east coast...crap, should have run this from a screen, will next time.
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[30-Mar-2007 01:52:50] <reallove> hello,anybody around ?
[30-Mar-2007 02:13:23] <N[]VA> morning
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[30-Mar-2007 08:12:14] <N[]VA> Heya guys
[30-Mar-2007 08:12:25] <N[]VA> any way for us to create a rrdtemplate?
[30-Mar-2007 08:12:33] <N[]VA> basicly copy a current one and make additions to it
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[30-Mar-2007 08:20:32] <Bulwinkle> good morning all
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[30-Mar-2007 08:21:10] <jreese> hi
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[30-Mar-2007 08:22:07] <Bulwinkle> can anyone help with some installation problems I am having with Zenoss on a FC6 system?
[30-Mar-2007 08:37:07] <ricko73> I'm getting that this channel is not very active with people who know what's going on
[30-Mar-2007 08:37:28] <ricko73> since I joined it yeterday, no one has answered a question
[30-Mar-2007 08:37:40] <jp10558> true ricko73
[30-Mar-2007 08:37:50] <jp10558> I think I've run into 2 people who have some idea
[30-Mar-2007 08:38:00] <jp10558> chet and creiht
[30-Mar-2007 08:38:06] <ricko73> the project looks promising, but I wouldn't hold my breath about getting a question answered here. Perhaps the mailing list is better
[30-Mar-2007 08:38:14] <jp10558> If you can join it
[30-Mar-2007 08:38:20] <jp10558> I can get on the forums
[30-Mar-2007 08:38:28] <jp10558> but trying to join the list just gives me errors
[30-Mar-2007 08:38:41] <jp10558> and I've noticed their "bridge" doesn't work that well
[30-Mar-2007 08:39:20] <jp10558> I'm debating giving up on getting this to work with windows and just waiting till 1.2 for that
[30-Mar-2007 08:46:10] <Bulwinkle> All of the documentation says it works on Fedora Core 6 but.... no such luck
[30-Mar-2007 08:46:28] <jreese> you can use the forums online, the mailing list and the forums are linked
[30-Mar-2007 08:49:16] <Bulwinkle> The developers should realize that IRC is one of the best places to get an idea of the problems with their product.
[30-Mar-2007 08:50:28] <Tinuva> well so far im pretty much impressed with the system
[30-Mar-2007 08:50:48] <jreese> it's probably not, developers need to develop, not answer questions on irc
[30-Mar-2007 08:51:01] <jreese> mailing lists work better for that as they're not a "do it now" kind of communication
[30-Mar-2007 08:51:14] <jreese> zenoss is very impressive imo
[30-Mar-2007 08:51:27] <Bulwinkle> Tinuva: I got the VM image working (no big accomplishment) but, if I can't get the system to work from the RPMs... Not much hope for the product
[30-Mar-2007 08:51:59] <Tinuva> i havent installed it myself personally but it works on centos here which is rpm based as well
[30-Mar-2007 08:54:31] <Bulwinkle> We could very easily move from our Nagios/Cacti based Network management to Zenoss but I don't see it happening if I can't get it running on something other than a VMWare server
[30-Mar-2007 08:55:48] <Tinuva> thats understandable
[30-Mar-2007 08:55:58] <Tinuva> any reason why you are using fc?
[30-Mar-2007 08:59:19] <Bulwinkle> Tinuva: yeah, because they seem to favor Redhat flavors and on SuSE (my normal distro) I have to reinstall the python packages from tar
[30-Mar-2007 09:00:36] <Tinuva> ok
[30-Mar-2007 09:01:08] <b52laptop> any one know if zenoss is going to migrate from zope 2 to Zope3 ?
[30-Mar-2007 09:01:35] <jp10558> I got it to install from RPM on Scientific Linux 4 which is very similar to RHEL4/CentOS4
[30-Mar-2007 09:02:22] <jp10558> but the problem with v4 of these as I understand it is lots of the stuff for getting windows integration to work is too old - i.e. python 2.3, Samba 3
[30-Mar-2007 09:02:49] <jp10558> for linux and network devices, it's pretty much run the RPM dependencies, and then the RPM
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[30-Mar-2007 09:05:28] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: yeah, the network dependencies bz2 they provide.... the mysql-server wouldn't even start on my BRAND NEW fc6 install....
[30-Mar-2007 09:06:05] <jp10558> perhaps try CentOS4?
[30-Mar-2007 09:06:40] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: I have almost worked out the bugs with FC6...
[30-Mar-2007 09:06:43] <jp10558> I'm beginning to think about trying a debian based source install - they do have some instructions posted for that
[30-Mar-2007 09:06:59] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: once I do, I'll be sure to post a HOWTO in the users forum
[30-Mar-2007 09:07:23] <jp10558> I'd like to see a HOWTO on ZenWin - every time I think I have it working, it flips out again
[30-Mar-2007 09:07:51] <jp10558> but I think it might well be related to trying to have python 2.3 for the OS, and python 2.4 for zenoss user
[30-Mar-2007 09:07:54] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: my one line on ZenWin.... 1) Don't use Windows Servers
[30-Mar-2007 09:08:24] <jp10558> Well, the whole thing that got me started with Zenoss is a Win2k3 Autodesk Vault server with Web Services issues so . . .
[30-Mar-2007 09:09:21] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: if it weren't for windows server we woudn't need to monitor ANY of ours
[30-Mar-2007 09:09:33] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: I'm using Zenoss to monitor our network equiptment
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[30-Mar-2007 09:10:00] <jp10558> Well, we really want to try monitoring a large number of our desktops also - I sort of want to replace HP Top Tools - that's the second desire
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[30-Mar-2007 09:10:14] <jp10558> Cause TopTools isn't updated anymore
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[30-Mar-2007 09:12:20] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: we have LANDesk for that....
[30-Mar-2007 09:13:32] <Bulwinkle> I'm trying to get a pilot group of Linux desktop users at our company
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[30-Mar-2007 09:13:59] <kfhickel> I've got a problem where I can fetch an OID via snmpget but zenperfsnmp says it doesn't exist. Anyone that can help with that????
[30-Mar-2007 09:14:43] <jp10558> Yea, We have a slightly different setup, mainly, we have 45% Windows, 45% Linux 6% MacOSX , rest others
[30-Mar-2007 09:15:20] <jp10558> so we use things like OCSNG for a lot of what landesk does, but that doesn't give performance metrics like RAM use etc, which is where something like Zenoss looks real good
[30-Mar-2007 09:15:28] <jp10558> IF I could get it to work in testing lol
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[30-Mar-2007 09:16:26] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: you don't have it running yet?
[30-Mar-2007 09:17:37] <jp10558> oh, I had Zenoss running, but ZenWin would crap out randomly, and then I'd try one thing, it would work for a few hours, then I'd try something else, work for a few hours, then die
[30-Mar-2007 09:17:49] <jp10558> so I was trying a reinstall as suggested here with python 2.4
[30-Mar-2007 09:17:58] <jp10558> but now Zenoss won't start on my test machine
[30-Mar-2007 09:18:10] <jp10558> and RPM gives errors trying to remove it
[30-Mar-2007 09:18:22] <Bulwinkle> ZenWin = the Zenoss daemon that plugs in to Zenoss?
[30-Mar-2007 09:18:25] <jp10558> So I've punted to my Linux group and I'll wait to see what they think
[30-Mar-2007 09:18:39] <jp10558> ZenWin runs on XP or Server 2k3 and passes WMI data to Zenoss
[30-Mar-2007 09:18:42] <jp10558> when it works anyway
[30-Mar-2007 09:19:29] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: can't you just use the SNMP data for that?
[30-Mar-2007 09:19:45] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: for memory and CPU at least
[30-Mar-2007 09:19:53] <chet> Bulwinkle: WMI is used to monitor eventlogs and windows services.
[30-Mar-2007 09:20:12] <jp10558> Right, we need to monitor Windows Services too
[30-Mar-2007 09:20:22] <chet> Morning, jp.
[30-Mar-2007 09:20:30] <jp10558> morning
[30-Mar-2007 09:20:40] <jp10558> I killed my Zenoss server
[30-Mar-2007 09:21:06] <jp10558> I was trying the python upgrade, with removing those directories and running the install rpm again, and now it won't start
[30-Mar-2007 09:21:38] <chet> Which Linux distribution do you run?
[30-Mar-2007 09:21:44] <chet> How did you do the python upgrade?
[30-Mar-2007 09:21:50] <jp10558> Scientific Linux 4
[30-Mar-2007 09:22:08] <jp10558> I was using an RPM our linux group had for it
[30-Mar-2007 09:22:11] <jp10558> to 2.4.1
[30-Mar-2007 09:22:24] <jp10558> and we did the simlink for zenoss user
[30-Mar-2007 09:22:28] <chet> Cool, so you can blame them.
[30-Mar-2007 09:22:30] <jp10558> then I deleted the /bin etc
[30-Mar-2007 09:22:45] <jp10558> and tried to re run zenoss rpm, but it claimed it was already installed
[30-Mar-2007 09:22:50] <jp10558> rpm -e failed
[30-Mar-2007 09:23:02] <jp10558> they suggested I do rpm -Uvh --force
[30-Mar-2007 09:23:13] <jp10558> and that ran the install, but now the web interface doesn't start
[30-Mar-2007 09:23:36] <b52laptop> any one know if zenoss is going to migrate from zope 2 to Zope3 ?
[30-Mar-2007 09:23:41] <chet> Hmm.. what a mess.
[30-Mar-2007 09:23:45] <jp10558> I'm beginning to think a newer distro might be the best idea, but not sure which would be the best one
[30-Mar-2007 09:24:40] <chet> SL4 is fine..
[30-Mar-2007 09:25:31] <chet> Do you have any precious data in zenoss yet, or could you afford to lose it?
[30-Mar-2007 09:25:51] <jp10558> I could afford to lose it
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[30-Mar-2007 09:25:56] <jp10558> nothing but testing so far
[30-Mar-2007 09:26:35] <chet> After much banging around myself, I think the best way to setup zenoss is from source using it's own copy of python.
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[30-Mar-2007 09:28:52] <chet> Trying to upgrade python on RHEL/CentOS/SL causes too many other problems.
[30-Mar-2007 09:31:07] <jp10558> ok, that sounds ok to me - is there a HOWTO on this?
[30-Mar-2007 09:31:17] <jp10558> I see posted some stuff about source install
[30-Mar-2007 09:31:41] <jp10558> oh, and any suggestions about cleaning the broken machine, or do I need to do a reinstall of the OS
[30-Mar-2007 09:31:45] <chet> The source install guide is good, but it makes some assumptions that don't apply to you.
[30-Mar-2007 09:32:19] <chet> If you can afford it, reinstall the OS. A non-stock python on RHEL derivatives is a ticking time bomb.
[30-Mar-2007 09:32:36] <jp10558> ok
[30-Mar-2007 09:32:52] <chet> I'll put together a howto for the reinstall while you work on that. It'll save me a lot of typing in the future. =}
[30-Mar-2007 09:38:07] <jp10558> Oh, another question, regarding SAMBA 4, as SL4 comes with SAMBA3, how do you handle that?
[30-Mar-2007 09:39:39] <chet> Not a problem.. winexe works just fine with samba 3 on my CentOS.
[30-Mar-2007 09:43:17] <jreese> i'm installing zenoss from svn right now, so far so good
[30-Mar-2007 09:43:39] <jreese> chet: i found a chat session of yours online saying that relations can't be made manually right now, is that still the case?
[30-Mar-2007 09:44:40] <jp10558> So the install from source just put in Winexe?
[30-Mar-2007 09:44:45] <chet> jreese: You mean like parent/child relationships for event supression?
[30-Mar-2007 09:44:54] <chet> jp10558: yup
[30-Mar-2007 09:45:41] <jp10558> ok
[30-Mar-2007 09:45:42] <jreese> chet: i created my own ZenModel of "IISSite" and tried to create a relation to the OperatingSystem model, but it's not seeing it (added it to the _relations array in OperatingSystem.py)
[30-Mar-2007 09:47:13] <chet> What do you mean it's not seeing it?
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[30-Mar-2007 09:48:52] <densone> hey gius
[30-Mar-2007 09:49:01] <densone> guys*
[30-Mar-2007 09:49:13] <densone> zenoss install question
[30-Mar-2007 09:50:21] <kfhickel> I've got a problem where I can fetch an OID via snmpget but zenperfsnmp says it doesn't exist. Anyone here that can help with that????
[30-Mar-2007 09:50:49] <chet> Hi densone.
[30-Mar-2007 09:50:59] <chet> kfhickel: Where did you define it?
[30-Mar-2007 09:51:08] <chet> Which performance template?
[30-Mar-2007 09:52:04] <kfhickel> the device is a cisco PIX firewall, I put it in the Network/Router class and added a perf counter for the OID (to the device not an interface).
[30-Mar-2007 09:52:20] <kfhickel> If I run zenperfsnmp by hand for the device it spits out the OID and says it isn't valid
[30-Mar-2007 09:52:34] <kfhickel> If I run snmpget to the same device with the same OID, it gets a result
[30-Mar-2007 09:52:46] <chet> Is the value a gauge/counter?
[30-Mar-2007 09:52:49] <jreese> chet: let me start up the VM and get the warning, sec
[30-Mar-2007 09:52:58] <kfhickel> [zenoss@starbug2 ~]$ snmpget -L o -c public -v 1 mnpix .1.3.6.1.4.1.9.9.147.1.2.2.2.1.5.40.6
[30-Mar-2007 09:52:58] <kfhickel> SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.9.147.1.2.2.2.1.5.0.6 = Gauge32: 615
[30-Mar-2007 09:53:23] <kfhickel> WARNING:zen.zenperfsnmp:Error reading value for "connections" on mnpix (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.9.9.147.1.2.2.2.1.5.40.6 is bad)
[30-Mar-2007 09:53:46] <kfhickel> the first two lines are the snmpget command and the result, the third line is output from zenperfsnmp run -dmnpix
[30-Mar-2007 09:54:06] <chet> Is the result OID really SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.9.147.1.2.2.2.1.5.0.6 ?
[30-Mar-2007 09:56:04] <kfhickel> hmm, not sure how to answer that. does this tell you? (same snmpget command, but output numerically):
[30-Mar-2007 09:56:05] <kfhickel> snmpget -L o -O n -c public -v 1 mnpix .1.3.6.1.4.1.9.9.147.1.2.2.2.1.5.40.6
[30-Mar-2007 09:56:05] <kfhickel> .1.3.6.1.4.1.9.9.147.1.2.2.2.1.5.0.6 = Gauge32: 593
[30-Mar-2007 09:56:20] <chet> Bizarre..
[30-Mar-2007 09:56:29] <kfhickel> yeah, that's what I thought! ;>
[30-Mar-2007 09:56:38] <chet> snmpget is never supposed to return a different OID than you requested, but it is.
[30-Mar-2007 09:57:04] <chet> You asked for ...40.6 and it gave ...0.6
[30-Mar-2007 09:57:07] <kfhickel> you're right, I didn't catch that.
[30-Mar-2007 09:57:19] <kfhickel> cisco is just too damn weird.
[30-Mar-2007 09:57:25] <chet> Mainly PIXs..
[30-Mar-2007 09:57:31] <chet> Can you upgrade your code?
[30-Mar-2007 09:57:37] <kfhickel> I'll stick in the one it gave me and try zenperfsnmp again.... stand by....
[30-Mar-2007 09:58:09] <jreese> chet: zenmodeler.log:2007-03-30 09:49:01 WARNING zen.ApplyDataMap: no relationship:iissites found on:os
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[30-Mar-2007 10:00:59] <chet> jreese: try "zenchkrels run --commit"
[30-Mar-2007 10:02:09] <jreese> eep, CheckRelations.py: error: no such option: --commit
[30-Mar-2007 10:02:46] <chet> ah, you're running trunk? run it without commit
[30-Mar-2007 10:02:52] <kfhickel> chet: stranger and stranger. the OID that snmpget stip out doesn't work with either zenperfsnmp OR snmpget!
[30-Mar-2007 10:02:54] <jreese> this one isn't trunk
[30-Mar-2007 10:02:57] <jreese> this is the vm release
[30-Mar-2007 10:03:06] <chet> kfhickel: heh.. good stuff.
[30-Mar-2007 10:03:40] <chet> kfhickel: Really sounds like an IOS bug to me.
[30-Mar-2007 10:03:46] <jreese> running now
[30-Mar-2007 10:03:56] <kfhickel> yeah. every time I start looking at this PIX it gives me a headache! (although the bug could be in snmpget, hard to know)
[30-Mar-2007 10:04:15] <jreese> chet: where did you learn everything about zenoss? just being exposed to it?
[30-Mar-2007 10:04:29] <chet> jreese: Yes.. just an inquisitive mind.
[30-Mar-2007 10:04:37] <jreese> hehe
[30-Mar-2007 10:05:02] <kfhickel> chet: well, I guess I'll crawl back under my rock. I was trying to get some decent info out of the pix, as the CPU perf item doesn't work....
[30-Mar-2007 10:08:10] <chet> kfhickel: I believe ethereal (wireshark) can disect snmp packets.. you could check to see where the error is.
[30-Mar-2007 10:08:48] <chet> kfhickel: Alternatively.. have you tested to see if v2c works?
[30-Mar-2007 10:09:38] <DBCooper_> Not directly Zenoss related, but I'm having trouble understanding how to install SNMP-Informant on a Win 2003 server. We only have a couple of these beasts around, and I would like to monitor a couple services on them. Everyone seems to suggest the Informant product, but it's not clear to me how I can engage it.
[30-Mar-2007 10:10:23] <chet> DBCooper_: Informant isn't needed to monitor services. You need to setup zenwin for that.
[30-Mar-2007 10:10:33] <jreese> chet: same error
[30-Mar-2007 10:10:51] <chet> DBCooper_: Informant is needed to monitor CPU/RAM/Network interface utilization and disk usage/performance.
[30-Mar-2007 10:11:10] <DBCooper_> I did install zenwin, but the service won't start.
[30-Mar-2007 10:11:33] <chet> Their is a log directory that might help you determine why that is.
[30-Mar-2007 10:11:34] <DBCooper_> It sounds like Informant would be handy though.
[30-Mar-2007 10:11:59] <chet> Yeah.. you should still install it. It's quite simple. You simply install the software, then configure your SNMP service.
[30-Mar-2007 10:12:12] <jreese> hrmf
[30-Mar-2007 10:12:26] <DBCooper_> I've got SNMP running on the box--the standard Windows service.
[30-Mar-2007 10:12:42] <DBCooper_> Is it supposed to see the Informant software automatically?
[30-Mar-2007 10:12:52] <chet> DBCooper_: Informant hooks into the standard windows service.
[30-Mar-2007 10:12:55] <chet> yes
[30-Mar-2007 10:13:03] <DBCooper_> Ah
[30-Mar-2007 10:13:10] <chet> I believe you need to restart the service after installing informant.
[30-Mar-2007 10:13:15] <DBCooper_> OK
[30-Mar-2007 10:13:43] <DBCooper_> I have Zenoss Eventlog, Modeling, and Status Monitoring installed on that windows box.
[30-Mar-2007 10:13:54] <DBCooper_> Do I need more for windows service monitoring?
[30-Mar-2007 10:14:03] <chet> Nope, that's everything.
[30-Mar-2007 10:14:21] <chet> modeling builds the list of services, status monitoring monitors their status.
[30-Mar-2007 10:14:29] <chet> I bet you can guess what eventlog does. =}
[30-Mar-2007 10:14:44] <DBCooper_> yep
[30-Mar-2007 10:14:56] <kfhickel> chet: the pix doesn't seem to respond to snmpget with -v 2c ....
[30-Mar-2007 10:15:23] <DBCooper_> The error I get when I try to start the services is authentication related.
[30-Mar-2007 10:15:46] <DBCooper_> Error 1069: The service did not start due to a logon failure.
[30-Mar-2007 10:16:01] <DBCooper_> I've got the zope username and password in the config file.
[30-Mar-2007 10:16:02] <chet> DBCooper_: Create a "zenwin" user in Zenoss with some password.
[30-Mar-2007 10:16:12] <DBCooper_> Ah, that's what I was missing.
[30-Mar-2007 10:16:15] <chet> Update the zenwin/etc files with that username/password information.
[30-Mar-2007 10:16:29] <chet> I think it needs to have the Manager role.
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:05] <DBCooper_> thanks
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:12] <DBCooper_> I'll give it a try.
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:32] <densone> anyone have any insight on this error:
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:33] <densone> $ ./install.sh
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:33] <densone> This installer actually builds Zenoss.
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:33] <densone> For a simpler installation try the VMPlayer Appliance image,
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:33] <densone> or use RPMs for Redhat based systems.
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:33] <densone> Building...
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:35] <densone> Password for the Zenoss "admin" user [zenoss]:
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:37] <densone> Enter the password again:
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:39] <densone> build-functions.sh: line 212: mysql_config: command not found
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:41] <densone> You must have a MySQL development environment installed
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:43] <densone> $
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:45] <densone> I have mysql5
[30-Mar-2007 10:17:47] <densone> just no mysql_config
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[30-Mar-2007 10:17:54] <chet> densone: install mysql-devel
[30-Mar-2007 10:18:12] <jreese> chet: no other ideas?
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[30-Mar-2007 10:20:08] <chet> jreese: Umm.. thinking about it.
[30-Mar-2007 10:21:43] <densone> hhhm
[30-Mar-2007 10:21:55] <densone> anyone know where I can get mysql-devel for ubuntu
[30-Mar-2007 10:22:00] <densone> or where the source is to it
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:05] <jreese> does ubuntu use yum?
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:18] <Tinuva> what!?
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:23] <Tinuva> i doubt that jreese
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:30] <jreese> lol, that's why i asked
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:33] <jreese> i've never used ubuntu
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:39] <Tinuva> apt-cache search mysql
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:48] <Tinuva> then probably something like apt-get install mysql-dev
[30-Mar-2007 10:23:50] <jreese> ah, uses apt
[30-Mar-2007 10:24:00] <jreese> learn something new every day!
[30-Mar-2007 10:24:15] <densone> i looked through aptitude
[30-Mar-2007 10:24:19] <densone> didnt find it
[30-Mar-2007 10:25:15] <Tinuva> also try apt-cache search mysql | grep "dev"
[30-Mar-2007 10:25:36] <Tinuva> i found "libmysql++-dev - mysql C++ library bindings (development)"
[30-Mar-2007 10:25:50] <chet> densone: aptitude install libmysqlclient15-dev
[30-Mar-2007 10:25:51] <Tinuva> do some searching on google too
[30-Mar-2007 10:26:06] <densone> chet: just found it thanks
[30-Mar-2007 10:27:08] <densone> mysql_config is now there
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[30-Mar-2007 10:46:48] <dens1> hey guys
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[30-Mar-2007 10:47:02] <dens1> anyone seen this err; installing pycrypto
[30-Mar-2007 10:47:02] <dens1> make: *** [pycrypto-install] Error 1
[30-Mar-2007 10:47:02] <dens1> unable to build zenoss and prerequisites, see zenbuild.log
[30-Mar-2007 10:50:30] <dens1> b
[30-Mar-2007 10:50:44] <dens1> b
[30-Mar-2007 10:50:54] <dens1> b
[30-Mar-2007 10:51:56] <dens1> src/MD2.c:15:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory
[30-Mar-2007 10:53:33] <chet> aptitude install python-dev
[30-Mar-2007 10:53:36] <jp10558> chet: now that I'm reinstalling Zenoss, do I need to reinstall zenwin on my 2k3 server? Or should it just start working when I restart the services with the new install? (Assume I fix the config files if needed)
[30-Mar-2007 10:53:51] <chet> jp10558: No need to reinstall zenwin if you're already running 1.1.1
[30-Mar-2007 10:54:13] <jp10558> chet: ok - thanks
[30-Mar-2007 10:54:42] <chet> jp10558: I just emailed you that howto.
[30-Mar-2007 10:56:12] <jp10558> thanks
[30-Mar-2007 10:56:31] <chet> Hopefully I remembered everything.
[30-Mar-2007 10:57:04] <dens1> chet: thanks
[30-Mar-2007 10:57:17] <dens1> my ubuntu installs are very barebone
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[30-Mar-2007 11:01:10] <Bulwinkle> EXCELLENT!!!! I got zenoss-1.1.1 working on my FC6 box....
[30-Mar-2007 11:01:20] <Bulwinkle> Now to write the HOWTO
[30-Mar-2007 11:04:45] <jreese> hrmf
[30-Mar-2007 11:08:13] <chet> jreese: Did you create the manage_addIssSite function in your IssSite model?
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[30-Mar-2007 11:24:37] <Bulwinkle> Anyone want to try out my howto and see if it works for them?
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[30-Mar-2007 11:43:10] <jp10558> Bulwinkle: I'd post it in the user forums...
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[30-Mar-2007 11:48:38] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: its there
[30-Mar-2007 12:14:14] <jreese> chet: i just got back from lunch, let me check if i did that
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[30-Mar-2007 12:15:37] <jreese> sure didn't
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[30-Mar-2007 12:23:04] <b52lap> any one know if zenoss is going to migrate from zope 2 to Zope3 ?
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[30-Mar-2007 12:24:26] <chet> b52lap: Nope
[30-Mar-2007 12:24:40] <jreese> chet: still no go
[30-Mar-2007 12:24:48] <chet> jreese: I'm playing with a custom model over here now..
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[30-Mar-2007 12:24:56] <b52lap> argh no migration to Z3
[30-Mar-2007 12:24:56] <jreese> cool
[30-Mar-2007 12:24:58] <chet> jreese: Try this in zendmd..
[30-Mar-2007 12:25:18] <chet> b52lap: By "Nope" I meant that I don't know.
[30-Mar-2007 12:25:34] <b52lap> chet, ah ok :d
[30-Mar-2007 12:25:39] <chet> jreese: find("device.in.question").os.buildRelations()
[30-Mar-2007 12:25:41] <chet> jreese: commit()
[30-Mar-2007 12:25:55] <jreese> done
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:02] <jreese> no output from either
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:05] <chet> That did the trick for me.
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:06] <jreese> (just fyi)
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:12] <chet> yeah.. no output is normal
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:14] <jreese> ok, so re-run zenmodeler on it
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:17] <chet> yup
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:38] <jreese> !!!!!
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:41] <jreese> badass
[30-Mar-2007 12:26:48] * jreese checks the ui
[30-Mar-2007 12:27:11] <chet> To auto-build your relations you'll need to create a migration script. You can take hints from ZenModel/migrate/usercommands.py
[30-Mar-2007 12:27:14] <jreese> darn, no where to be found there, hehe
[30-Mar-2007 12:27:18] <jreese> ok
[30-Mar-2007 12:27:20] <jreese> thanks a lot
[30-Mar-2007 12:27:32] <jreese> now to figure out how to get it in the gui
[30-Mar-2007 12:28:31] <jreese> and assign an rrdtemplate to em by default (i made my own)
[30-Mar-2007 12:29:09] <chet> I hope you're documenting what you do. There are definitely other people who would be interested in it.
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[30-Mar-2007 12:30:09] <chet> Take a look at Products/ZenModel/skins/zenmodel/deviceOsDetail.pt for the UI stuff. You can take hints from the "fileSysList" section.
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[30-Mar-2007 12:31:09] <jreese> oh i am
[30-Mar-2007 12:33:21] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Genshi Templates in Nevow - 26 Mar, 02:04AM
[30-Mar-2007 12:33:21] <jreese> is Wing IDE a good python ide to use?
[30-Mar-2007 12:33:22] -adytum-bot- http://www.advogato.org/person/oubiwann/diary.html?start=137
[30-Mar-2007 12:33:50] <oubiwann> jreese: I haven't used it personally, but I know several that do and they like it.
[30-Mar-2007 12:33:54] <Southron> Is there a place on the Zenoss site where I can find hardware recommendations based on number of nodes and type of monitoring, etc?
[30-Mar-2007 12:34:22] <oubiwann> one guy bought several licensed copies at PyCon after trying Wing with the vim key bindings
[30-Mar-2007 12:34:46] <jreese> kewl
[30-Mar-2007 12:34:48] <oubiwann> Southron: I don't think so... that's probably a good question for the users mail list/forum
[30-Mar-2007 12:35:43] <jreese> question unrelated to what i'm doing... can you set up zenoss to have multiple servers that do the querying?
[30-Mar-2007 12:35:58] <Southron> OK, I'll search the forums. Thanks.
[30-Mar-2007 12:36:09] <jreese> and have it accessable in a central db
[30-Mar-2007 12:37:52] <oubiwann> jreese: there's been some work done in that area lately, and some more planned
[30-Mar-2007 12:38:14] <oubiwann> I've been away from development for a few months, so best to check with the list
[30-Mar-2007 12:39:51] <jreese> cool deal, was just wondering
[30-Mar-2007 12:40:20] <jreese> i used to work at a large ISP (the planet), could make zenoss a pretty nice "offering" for better monitoring
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[30-Mar-2007 12:47:01] <Bulwinkle> jreese: I have a ticket open at the planet now
[30-Mar-2007 12:47:25] <jreese> hehe
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[30-Mar-2007 12:47:41] <jreese> i was a developer there...started in tech support about 3 years ago
[30-Mar-2007 12:48:09] <Bulwinkle> ah, the dark side.... (development) I went the other way
[30-Mar-2007 12:48:20] <jreese> hehe
[30-Mar-2007 12:48:21] <jreese> sales?
[30-Mar-2007 12:50:21] <Bulwinkle> no, network engineer
[30-Mar-2007 12:50:25] <jreese> ah
[30-Mar-2007 12:50:53] <jreese> i got to play around there for a while, sorta fell into development
[30-Mar-2007 12:50:59] <Bulwinkle> Layers 234 vs layer 7.... I like it down here...
[30-Mar-2007 12:51:03] <jreese> apparently i was too good at automating things, hehe
[30-Mar-2007 12:51:37] <Bulwinkle> jreese: that can be dangerous
[30-Mar-2007 12:51:45] <jreese> yeah :/
[30-Mar-2007 12:52:00] <creiht> jreese: Where do you work now?
[30-Mar-2007 12:52:55] <jreese> IMC2, an "interactive marketing agency"
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[30-Mar-2007 13:02:25] <b52lap> jreese, interesting , hm !
[30-Mar-2007 13:02:55] <b52lap> oubiwann, forgive my stupid question , is zenoss going to make a migration to Zope3 in the near future?
[30-Mar-2007 13:12:41] <chet> jreese: I've run a setup with multiple monitors reporting to the central zodb/mysql/zope server. It works just fine.
[30-Mar-2007 13:14:09] <jreese> sweet
[30-Mar-2007 13:15:33] <chet> I sent a howto on it to the mailing list, but it looks like it never made it into the wiki.
[30-Mar-2007 13:16:56] <chet> It's archived here: http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2007/003392.html
[30-Mar-2007 13:29:32] <jreese> chet: know off the top of your head which service to restart to recompile the deviceOsDetail.pt file?
[30-Mar-2007 13:30:58] <chet> zopectl restart
[30-Mar-2007 13:31:02] <jreese> k
[30-Mar-2007 13:31:36] <DBCooper_> Still trying to get my zenwin services to start on a Win 2003 server. System log says "This service account does not have the necessary user right 'Log on as a server.'" It's referring to the Administrator account apparently. Should I create a zenwin user on the server and run these services as that user? (I'm a Linux guy. My win 2003 skills are sketchy.)
[30-Mar-2007 13:32:22] <chet> I run my services as a Zenoss account I created on the domain. It has domain admin privileges.
[30-Mar-2007 13:33:14] <DBCooper_> I'll create a local account then. We don't use AD or a full domain here.
[30-Mar-2007 13:42:28] <DBCooper_> I'm getting closer.
[30-Mar-2007 13:42:40] <DBCooper_> The service still doesn't start, but at least it's trying to.
[30-Mar-2007 13:43:07] <DBCooper_> Now the log says "The Zenoss Status Monitoring service terminated with service-specific error 1 (0x1).
[30-Mar-2007 13:43:41] <DBCooper_> Not sure where to go from here.
[30-Mar-2007 13:45:26] <DBCooper_> Hmmm... the system log has "N/A" as the user that tried to start the server. Shouldn't that say "zenoss" if that's the name of the user I created?
[30-Mar-2007 13:47:53] <jreese> when you specify the user to run the service as it should grant privs to that user to run as a service
[30-Mar-2007 13:48:12] <jreese> should note that when you put in the user/password in the service properties, it won't tell you if the password is wrong
[30-Mar-2007 13:48:16] <jreese> it just won't start
[30-Mar-2007 13:50:52] <jreese> hoot, making progress
[30-Mar-2007 13:50:58] <DBCooper_> I did get the message that the user has rights to run as a service.
[30-Mar-2007 13:51:00] <jreese> i've got the IIS sites to show up on the OS tab now
[30-Mar-2007 13:51:09] <jreese> need to make them links to pages to view graphs
[30-Mar-2007 13:51:59] <DBCooper_> I just noticed in the Application log that there is a python error. "No module named zenwinmodelersvc."
[30-Mar-2007 13:58:37] <oubiwann> b52lap: hey man, not a stupid question ;-)
[30-Mar-2007 13:58:57] <oubiwann> b52lap: I've been pushing for that since last May ;-)
[30-Mar-2007 13:59:42] <oubiwann> b52lap: but a zope3 migration is very, very involved and product stability has the focus right now
[30-Mar-2007 14:00:42] <oubiwann> b52lap: there have been recent discussions and we even talked with a potential intern at PyCon who has lots of zope3 experient
[30-Mar-2007 14:00:50] <oubiwann> *experience
[30-Mar-2007 14:02:02] <oubiwann> b52lap: my dream project would be to work on that ;-)
[30-Mar-2007 14:02:36] <creiht> keeps hoping zenoss will move away from zope
[30-Mar-2007 14:02:44] <creiht> But it's friday
[30-Mar-2007 14:03:20] <creiht> So no religious battles today
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[30-Mar-2007 14:14:54] <b52lap> oubiwann, ah ok
[30-Mar-2007 14:15:27] <oubiwann> creiht: heh
[30-Mar-2007 14:15:46] <oubiwann> creiht: but have you used zope3? the only thing that's still the same is the name ;-)
[30-Mar-2007 14:15:52] <creiht> hehe
[30-Mar-2007 14:15:55] <creiht> Yeah I know
[30-Mar-2007 14:16:05] <creiht> I have to admit that I haven't tried it enough
[30-Mar-2007 14:16:16] <creiht> Though I did got through the 70 page into
[30-Mar-2007 14:16:20] <creiht> A while back
[30-Mar-2007 14:16:24] <oubiwann> zope3 is one of the most beautiful, self-consistent works of code/art I have ever seen
[30-Mar-2007 14:16:51] <creiht> I understand it's getting better
[30-Mar-2007 14:16:55] <oubiwann> it took a tremendous amount of inspiration from Twisted, but without the legacy code that Twisted has to support
[30-Mar-2007 14:16:56] <b52lap> creiht, you see the difference just before you start using it ,at the install , the zope3 compil is light quick !! , the zope2 compil doesn't end :d
[30-Mar-2007 14:17:20] <creiht> heh
[30-Mar-2007 14:17:37] <creiht> Different tools for different people
[30-Mar-2007 14:17:40] <b52lap> creiht, </bad_joke>
[30-Mar-2007 14:17:41] <creiht> Is what I always say
[30-Mar-2007 14:18:23] <creiht> Actually it isn't so much zope that I think is hampering zenoss so much at the moment but zodb
[30-Mar-2007 14:18:36] <creiht> And Z3 should make it easier to use other tools
[30-Mar-2007 14:18:38] <oubiwann> yeah, the zodb can be a little sticky
[30-Mar-2007 14:18:41] <creiht> So I'm all for that
[30-Mar-2007 14:19:45] <creiht> Of couse you would then loose some of the cool things that zodb gives you
[30-Mar-2007 14:19:57] <creiht> So it isn't an easy choice
[30-Mar-2007 14:20:08] <creiht> I just see the scaling/performance issues
[30-Mar-2007 14:24:13] <creiht> oubiwann: Ok so this is why I have a hard time with zope 3
I'm new with zope 3, and I want to try it out, so I think... "Hey I will download the zope tutorial doc and try it out"[30-Mar-2007 14:24:19] <creiht> But that doc is 96 pages
[30-Mar-2007 14:24:34] <oubiwann> heh
[30-Mar-2007 14:24:40] <creiht> That's a lot to go through to just learn the basics of a system
[30-Mar-2007 14:24:47] <oubiwann> yeah, if you want to do something like that, then you actually want Grok
[30-Mar-2007 14:24:53] <oubiwann> grok.zope.org
[30-Mar-2007 14:25:07] <oubiwann> Zope 3 is really for building large/complex systems
[30-Mar-2007 14:25:08] * b52lap will continue to learn z3 tech , and will just focus and the user side of zenoss ,and will wait for the Zope3Zenoss
[30-Mar-2007 14:25:21] <oubiwann> ones were you can take advantage of the component architecture
[30-Mar-2007 14:29:48] <creiht> oubiwann: Yeah I have seen grok before... but it was still a bit akward
[30-Mar-2007 14:30:12] <oubiwann> heh
[30-Mar-2007 14:30:33] <oubiwann> to me it seems so natural, due to its similarities with Twisted/Nevow
[30-Mar-2007 14:30:37] <creiht> hehe
[30-Mar-2007 14:30:43] <oubiwann> but then I hear people complain about Nevow, too ;-)
[30-Mar-2007 14:30:48] <creiht> In the end it comes down to personal preference
[30-Mar-2007 14:30:55] <oubiwann> yup
[30-Mar-2007 14:31:02] <creiht> I'm in the camp that likes lighter weight solutions
[30-Mar-2007 14:31:14] <creiht> And that is my preference
[30-Mar-2007 14:31:25] <oubiwann> actually, that's all I do personally -- and I use Nevow for that
[30-Mar-2007 14:31:27] <creiht> It's not that that way is better or right
[30-Mar-2007 14:31:50] <oubiwann> I really need a system that offers me interfaces and adaptation
[30-Mar-2007 14:32:00] <creiht> Yeah... I saw your blog post in object publishing in Nevow
[30-Mar-2007 14:32:03] <creiht> That was pretty cool
[30-Mar-2007 14:32:34] <creiht> I personally like pylons myself
[30-Mar-2007 14:32:52] <creiht> But most of that is becuase that fits my way of thinking and development better
[30-Mar-2007 14:32:56] <oubiwann> this way, I can engineer solutions that allow me to keep stuff like data and presentation and logic separate, while using adaptation to bring them together when needed
[30-Mar-2007 14:33:03] <oubiwann> creiht: yup
[30-Mar-2007 14:33:05] <oubiwann> totally
[30-Mar-2007 14:33:19] <creiht> oubiwann: And you are more twisted, so that is why you like neveow
[30-Mar-2007 14:33:24] <oubiwann> heh
[30-Mar-2007 14:33:28] <oubiwann> I am very, very twisted
[30-Mar-2007 14:33:32] <creiht> pun inteneded
[30-Mar-2007 14:33:36] <oubiwann> :-D
[30-Mar-2007 14:35:23] <creiht> So I like to stay out of the religions battles
[30-Mar-2007 14:35:32] <creiht> Since you are not likely to change one's preferences
[30-Mar-2007 14:35:52] <creiht> Though one can always hope that their favorite projects would come around to their own preferences
[30-Mar-2007 14:37:34] <oubiwann> certain things would be difficult in other projects were Zenoss to be ported to them
[30-Mar-2007 14:37:53] <oubiwann> and Erik is not averse to trying another solution -- we've had that talk several times
[30-Mar-2007 14:38:00] <creiht> hehe
[30-Mar-2007 14:38:02] <creiht> Yeah I know
[30-Mar-2007 14:38:09] <oubiwann> but Zenoss makes excellent use of Zope's acquisition
[30-Mar-2007 14:38:15] <oubiwann> acquisition is usually a PITA
[30-Mar-2007 14:39:18] <oubiwann> but Zenoss is a perfect use-case for it: a limited, predictable usage that makes extensive use of object inheritance via URLs
[30-Mar-2007 14:39:18] <creiht> oubiwann: Right... That is one of the big thing in Zope that is a major advantage for Zenoss
[30-Mar-2007 14:39:53] <creiht> It makes the device heirarchy very simple
[30-Mar-2007 14:39:58] <oubiwann> exactly
[30-Mar-2007 14:39:59] <creiht> well relatively simple
[30-Mar-2007 14:40:00] <creiht>
[30-Mar-2007 14:40:22] <oubiwann> yeah, doing the same things in an RDBMS is actually insanely painful and not nearly as efficient
[30-Mar-2007 14:40:30] <creiht> right
[30-Mar-2007 14:40:37] <creiht> But then you pay a price for that
[30-Mar-2007 14:40:41] <oubiwann> it is an object-specific problem domain, not a relational one
[30-Mar-2007 14:40:50] <creiht> Hence the scalability and performance of zodb
[30-Mar-2007 14:41:01] <oubiwann> so to port that to a non-zope app server would be very involved
[30-Mar-2007 14:41:06] <oubiwann> creiht: exactly
[30-Mar-2007 14:41:13] <creiht> And you get the ultimate question... Ease of programming or performance
[30-Mar-2007 14:41:18] <creiht> Not an easy question
[30-Mar-2007 14:41:33] <oubiwann> my guess is we will start producing querying and reporting tools for Zenoss
[30-Mar-2007 14:41:50] <oubiwann> this has already happened to a certain extent
[30-Mar-2007 14:42:03] <creiht> Erik seemed pretty excited about SQLAlchemy at Pycon... Are they still looking into that?
[30-Mar-2007 14:42:49] <oubiwann> and as Zenoss gets more popular and we are better able to communicate the benefits of having the ZODB for Zenoss persistent storage, the more widely-used and appreciated these tools will be
[30-Mar-2007 14:43:15] <illsci> what are the benefits compared to a relational database
[30-Mar-2007 14:43:19] <oubiwann> I started talking with Erik and Eric about SQLAlchemy last August
[30-Mar-2007 14:43:32] <illsci> btw thanks for writing this..
[30-Mar-2007 14:43:37] <creiht> I had poked him about it a while ago as well
[30-Mar-2007 14:43:50] <oubiwann> there were a bunch of things that could have been ported immediately
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:02] <creiht> I think the SA presentation at pycon that got him excited about it
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:02] <oubiwann> like events, history
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:05] <creiht> right
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:09] <oubiwann> but it wasn't a high-priority
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:13] <creiht> That would be the first logical step
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:26] <creiht> And would allow for other DB's besides MySQL
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:28] <oubiwann> SQLAlchemy is still very immature, though
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:33] <oubiwann> ORMs are difficult to get right
[30-Mar-2007 14:44:40] <creiht> oubiwann: I would argue a bit differently
[30-Mar-2007 14:45:06] <creiht> It hasn't been around for a real long time
[30-Mar-2007 14:45:23] <creiht> But it has matured much faster than most open source apps
[30-Mar-2007 14:45:31] <creiht> At least in my opinion
[30-Mar-2007 14:46:13] <oubiwann> true, product dependency decisions can't be based on relative qualities
[30-Mar-2007 14:46:13] <creiht> illsci: The biggest advantage for zodb is that it makes things like the event tree and performance template inheritance super simple
[30-Mar-2007 14:46:31] <creiht> illsci: As well as the revision history so that you can easily roll back changes
[30-Mar-2007 14:47:11] <creiht> But I look at SQLAlchemy as finally an ORM done right in Python
[30-Mar-2007 14:47:21] <oubiwann> creiht: the problem is that it isn't
[30-Mar-2007 14:47:28] <creiht> oubiwann: In what way?
[30-Mar-2007 14:47:36] <oubiwann> the ORM part
[30-Mar-2007 14:47:43] <oubiwann> the SQL abstraction is okay
[30-Mar-2007 14:47:52] <oubiwann> but the ORM is riddled with bugs
[30-Mar-2007 14:48:25] <creiht> hrmmm... like?
[30-Mar-2007 14:48:26] <oubiwann> especially with complex relationship management
[30-Mar-2007 14:48:59] <creiht> What version was the last version you used?
[30-Mar-2007 14:49:06] <oubiwann> 0.2
[30-Mar-2007 14:49:24] <creiht> ahhh
[30-Mar-2007 14:49:29] <creiht> You should check out 0.3
[30-Mar-2007 14:49:36] <oubiwann> in fact, I know developers at a large company that is popular in the open source community
[30-Mar-2007 14:49:49] <oubiwann> they were ordered by their managers to use SQLAlchemy recently
[30-Mar-2007 14:49:54] <creiht> He's doen a lot of work to clean up the complex relations
[30-Mar-2007 14:50:17] <oubiwann> they tried but it was actually incapable of supporting their needs
[30-Mar-2007 14:50:21] <oubiwann> due to the bugs
[30-Mar-2007 14:50:30] <creiht> hrmmm
[30-Mar-2007 14:50:32] <oubiwann> they submitted 4 patches that would have fixed the majority of them
[30-Mar-2007 14:50:43] <creiht> I guess that hasn't been my experience yet
[30-Mar-2007 14:50:46] <oubiwann> but they got a lot of pushback from the SQLA dev team
[30-Mar-2007 14:50:56] <oubiwann> in the end, they had to write their own ORM
[30-Mar-2007 14:51:27] <oubiwann> it hasn't been released yet, but they plan on it
[30-Mar-2007 14:51:54] <creiht> What problems did they run into?
[30-Mar-2007 14:52:14] <oubiwann> managing complex relationships between multiples of tables
[30-Mar-2007 14:53:01] <creiht> What about the relationship caused the problem?
[30-Mar-2007 14:53:06] <oubiwann> there was one particularly nasty bug where some kind of infinite recursion bug was triggered
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[30-Mar-2007 14:53:18] <oubiwann> I didn't work on the code specifically, so I can't give any more details
[30-Mar-2007 14:53:26] <creiht> gotcha
[30-Mar-2007 14:53:32] <oubiwann> but these guys are insanely brilliant
[30-Mar-2007 14:54:26] <oubiwann> the SQLAlchemy team did eventually agree that there was a problem, but it was like pulling teeth just to get that far
[30-Mar-2007 14:54:49] <creiht> oubiwann: sistechnology?
[30-Mar-2007 14:54:54] <oubiwann> I had a similar personal experience when I found a bug in the ORM at version 0.1, once that impacted object history management in the ORM
[30-Mar-2007 14:55:01] <jreese> hrmf
[30-Mar-2007 14:55:28] <oubiwann> creiht: ?
[30-Mar-2007 14:55:35] <creiht> Is that the company?
[30-Mar-2007 14:55:40] <oubiwann> nope ;-)
[30-Mar-2007 14:55:46] <creiht> Sorry... was searching the tickets to see if I could find the issue
[30-Mar-2007 14:55:55] <creiht> And sounded like what you were talking about
[30-Mar-2007 14:56:14] <creiht> oh well
[30-Mar-2007 14:56:40] <oubiwann> now, that being said, I still use SQLAlchemy on small projects that *have* to have MySQL or Postgres support
[30-Mar-2007 14:57:36] <oubiwann> The ORM that makes the most sense to me is Divmod's Axiom, but it only supports SQLite, so when I have to work on a project that supports Postgres or MySQL, I use SQLAlchemy
[30-Mar-2007 14:57:50] <creiht> oubiwann: Of course
[30-Mar-2007 14:57:52] <oubiwann> but I make sure to use the ORM very, very carefully
[30-Mar-2007 14:58:59] <creiht> I guess my experience so far has been a bit different
[30-Mar-2007 14:59:15] <creiht> We have some pretty complex relations ships in our current schema
[30-Mar-2007 14:59:19] <oubiwann> yeah, and most people's has -- thus the general positive view of SQLA
[30-Mar-2007 14:59:35] <creiht> And everything that I have thrown at SA, it has handled very well
[30-Mar-2007 14:59:36] <oubiwann> it's the edge cases that can bring it crumbling down
[30-Mar-2007 15:00:18] <oubiwann> and with maturity, those edge cases will be discovered and remidied
[30-Mar-2007 15:00:19] <creiht> Could it also be from differences in philosphy?
[30-Mar-2007 15:00:42] <creiht> I do know that is one point where they seem to be at odds
[30-Mar-2007 15:01:12] <oubiwann> only if they difference comes from statements like "no, there's no bug here; we're not going to change that code." and then after much discussion "oh, yeah, I guess there might be a bug there..."
[30-Mar-2007 15:01:17] <creiht> Where I've seen people want to do things a certain way in SA, but wasn't really alligned with the philosophy of how the tool is supposed to work
[30-Mar-2007 15:01:23] <creiht> hrmmm
[30-Mar-2007 15:01:50] <oubiwann> I think the biggest problem with SA dev is the admitted inexperience they have with ORM development
[30-Mar-2007 15:02:03] <oubiwann> they're learning as they go
[30-Mar-2007 15:02:28] <oubiwann> and they sometimes don't believe it when they encounter other developers that have more experience then they do
[30-Mar-2007 15:02:44] <oubiwann> and I am most definitely NOT talking about myself here ;-)
[30-Mar-2007 15:02:57] <creiht> heh
[30-Mar-2007 15:02:59] <jreese> i'm really starting to like how zenoss is built
[30-Mar-2007 15:03:15] <jreese> starting to get a hang of it
[30-Mar-2007 15:03:36] <oubiwann> as they improve their relationships with other projects and developers from those projects, this will become less and less of an issue
[30-Mar-2007 15:03:48] <oubiwann> jreese: excellent!
[30-Mar-2007 15:03:50] <jreese> ok, i have all my UI elements done
[30-Mar-2007 15:04:07] <jreese> last thing i have to do is figure out how to associate the RRDTemplate with the IISSite model when it's created
[30-Mar-2007 15:04:14] <jreese> so it makes the rrd file and stuff
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[30-Mar-2007 15:10:52] <chet> jreese: Take a look at Products/SnmpCollector/CustomMaps/HRFileSystemMap.py for that.
[30-Mar-2007 15:11:45] <jreese> k
[30-Mar-2007 15:13:17] <jreese> ok, so just making the RRDTemplate in the interface isn't enough?
[30-Mar-2007 15:13:40] <chet> Definitely not.. it wouldn't know how to match the SNMP table indexes, etc..
[30-Mar-2007 15:13:54] <chet> Anytime you're dealing with an SNMP table structure an RRDTemplate will fall short.
[30-Mar-2007 15:14:30] <chet> I assume that's what you're dealing with if you've come this far already. =}
[30-Mar-2007 15:14:39] <jreese> yeah
[30-Mar-2007 15:14:51] <jreese> getting data from the snmp-informant advanced version
[30-Mar-2007 15:15:12] <jreese> their oids are nuts for iis, the key is an ascii representation of the site name
[30-Mar-2007 15:16:01] <jreese> so do i need both the RRDTemplate and the CustomMap or just the CustomMap?
[30-Mar-2007 15:16:07] <chet> Doh.. I've seen that in Dell's OMSA stuff too.
[30-Mar-2007 15:16:12] <Bulwinkle> when a device is added to zenoss and the system snmp sysobject ID is in manufacturers known list shouldn't it automatically populate it?
[30-Mar-2007 15:16:26] <chet> Both.. check out how the FileSystem template works.
[30-Mar-2007 15:16:36] <jreese> k, i'm working on it right now
[30-Mar-2007 15:16:50] <chet> Bulwinkle: Automatically populate the manufacturer fields? Yes.
[30-Mar-2007 15:16:53] <jreese> i've got to say, i really like python... very easy to follow
[30-Mar-2007 15:17:11] <chet> jreese: Couldn't agree more.
[30-Mar-2007 15:17:27] <Bulwinkle> chet: isn't happening for me for some reason....
[30-Mar-2007 15:17:28] <chet> jreese: Unfortunately Zope confuses me. =}
[30-Mar-2007 15:17:34] <Bulwinkle> I had some processes down though
[30-Mar-2007 15:17:47] <jreese> hehe, the only experience i have with zope is customers yelling at me when they screwed it up back when i was in tech support
[30-Mar-2007 15:18:36] <chet> Bulwinkle: So there's nothing in the HW Manufacturer or HW Model fields at all?
[30-Mar-2007 15:19:12] <chet> What about the SNMP sysName field?
[30-Mar-2007 15:19:33] <jreese> the SnmpCollector maps look a lot like the DataCollector maps
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[30-Mar-2007 15:20:45] <chet> jreese: Yeah.. makes sense since you're graphing the same stuff that you've modelled.
[30-Mar-2007 15:20:50] <chet> modeled..
[30-Mar-2007 15:21:00] <Bulwinkle> chet: appears that way
[30-Mar-2007 15:21:27] <chet> Bulwinkle: Sounds like the modeling errored out. Move the device into the appropriate class and recollect it from the manage tab.
[30-Mar-2007 15:23:48] <Bulwinkle> chet okay
[30-Mar-2007 15:28:42] <jreese> would fs['id'] and fs.id be the same thing?
[30-Mar-2007 15:29:04] <Bulwinkle> chet: no luck... I added a new device and the same thing happened
[30-Mar-2007 15:30:49] <chet> jreese: They referring to the same value..
[30-Mar-2007 15:31:05] <jreese> ok, just different syntax
[30-Mar-2007 15:31:16] <chet> The difference is that in fs['id'] fs is a dictionary. In fs.id fs is a FileSystem object.
[30-Mar-2007 15:31:31] <jreese> hrm, ok
[30-Mar-2007 15:31:37] <Bulwinkle> chet: it is finding the correct IOS version... (blink blink)
[30-Mar-2007 15:31:45] <jreese> i think i see how that works then
[30-Mar-2007 15:32:22] <chet> Bulwinkle: Did you move it into the /Network/Router/Cisco class and recollect it?
[30-Mar-2007 15:32:47] <Bulwinkle> chet: yeppers... I always change that when I add a device (cisco device at least)....
[30-Mar-2007 15:35:08] <jreese> i take it zenperfsnmp picks up the CustomMaps
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[30-Mar-2007 15:39:52] <Bulwinkle> chet: I'd love to help with the development of Zenoss.... If I can get some of the functionality working that looks promising then I can get some money from my company to donate to the project
[30-Mar-2007 15:41:10] <Bulwinkle> chet: here is what I get when it gets to the sysObjectID: set attribute 'snmpOid' to '.1.3.6.1.4.1.9.1.576' on object 'SUG-PEI-RTR00.energy.sug.pri'
[30-Mar-2007 15:46:11] <chet> Bulwinkle: Right after that does it go to "calling function 'setHWProductKey' with ...
[30-Mar-2007 15:46:34] <Bulwinkle> chet: it should follow it directly correct?
[30-Mar-2007 15:46:44] <chet> That's what it does on mine at least..
[30-Mar-2007 15:51:05] <Bulwinkle> Doesn't on mine....
[30-Mar-2007 15:51:33] <Bulwinkle> am I missing something? I have that Oid in my database
[30-Mar-2007 15:51:44] <Bulwinkle> Cisco 2811 Router
[30-Mar-2007 15:52:24] <chet> It shouldn't matter if you have it in your database or not. Even if it wasn't in your database it is supposed to set the hardware model to the OID string itself.
[30-Mar-2007 15:53:25] <chet> From looking at the code I don't understand how the IOS could be set, but not the hardware model.
[30-Mar-2007 15:53:53] <jreese> hrm, i don't see the snmp map being run
[30-Mar-2007 15:54:55] <chet> jreese: Forgot to mention.. add it to Products/SnmpCollector/CustomMaps/__init__.py
[30-Mar-2007 15:55:01] <Bulwinkle> chet: here is the OID string:
[30-Mar-2007 15:55:03] <Bulwinkle> SNMPv2-MIB::sysObjectID.0 = OID: SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.9.1.576
[30-Mar-2007 15:55:04] <jreese> ah hah, thanks!
[30-Mar-2007 15:55:42] <Bulwinkle> chet: that is with a snmpwalk (HOST) system
[30-Mar-2007 15:56:06] <Bulwinkle> Ah well... I'll look at it next week. Thanks for your help Chet!
[30-Mar-2007 15:56:18] * jreese is excited
[30-Mar-2007 15:56:29] <chet> Bulwinkle: Maybe you could try deleting the model from your manufacturer's list.
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[30-Mar-2007 15:57:06] <chet> jreese: I bet.. people have tried to do what you're doing and given up many times. =}
[30-Mar-2007 15:57:17] <chet> jreese: I'm too lazy to even try.
[30-Mar-2007 15:57:22] <jreese> haha
[30-Mar-2007 15:57:40] <jreese> it's really not too hard, the hardest part for me is learning how everything ties together in zenoss
[30-Mar-2007 15:57:51] <jreese> and not being very fluent in python
[30-Mar-2007 15:57:59] <chet> For some reason I find it a lot easier to explain it to you than understand it myself.
[30-Mar-2007 15:58:04] <jreese> haha
[30-Mar-2007 15:58:09] <jreese> you're a huge help
[30-Mar-2007 15:58:14] <jreese> would definately not have figured it out
[30-Mar-2007 15:58:21] <jreese> without your help, so thanks
[30-Mar-2007 15:58:44] <chet> My pleasure.. I've learned a lot in the process too.
[30-Mar-2007 15:59:26] <jreese> hrm, it's still not running the map
[30-Mar-2007 15:59:57] <chet> Are you modeling from the web, or command line?
[30-Mar-2007 16:00:02] <jreese> command line
[30-Mar-2007 16:00:39] <jreese> i'm running zenmodeler and zenperfsnmp on the device
[30-Mar-2007 16:00:47] <jreese> i wonder if i have to rebuild the mappings
[30-Mar-2007 16:02:19] <chet> Sure doesn't look like it.. it looks like it runs the initCustomMaps in __init__.py everytime SnmpCollector is instantiated.
[30-Mar-2007 16:02:40] <jreese> and zenperfsnmp should do that
[30-Mar-2007 16:06:32] <jreese> ah, maybe this is why
[30-Mar-2007 16:07:48] <jreese> grr, nope (i forgot to add from "InformantIISSiteMap import InformantIISSiteMap" to __init__.py)
[30-Mar-2007 16:07:57] <jreese> err "from InformantIISSiteMap import InformantIISSiteMap"
[30-Mar-2007 16:08:38] <chet> Hmm.. if you forgot to add that and you didn't get an exception thrown that means it never evaluated __init__.py at all.
[30-Mar-2007 16:08:47] <jreese>
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[30-Mar-2007 16:16:17] <chet> jreese: Are you running on trunk?
[30-Mar-2007 16:16:25] <chet> I keep forgetting.
[30-Mar-2007 16:16:26] <jreese> no
[30-Mar-2007 16:16:36] <jreese> i was going to try it, but you helped me around that
[30-Mar-2007 16:17:34] <jreese> i guess zenperfsnmp doesn't run the snmpcollector
[30-Mar-2007 16:17:54] <jreese> i put a bunch of log outputs into the _init_ and nothing is coming out
[30-Mar-2007 16:20:14] <chet> I think you're right.
[30-Mar-2007 16:20:37] <chet> It's really hard to follow what zenperfsnmp does.
[30-Mar-2007 16:21:10] <jreese> time for debug mode
[30-Mar-2007 16:23:33] <jreese> hrmf
[30-Mar-2007 16:27:11] <jreese> maybe i have to add the ZenModel to Products/ZenModel/__init__.py
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[30-Mar-2007 16:29:47] <jreese> nope
[30-Mar-2007 16:35:02] <jreese> Products/ZenModel/identify.py is the only script that looks like it uses the SnmpCollector
[30-Mar-2007 16:36:44] <chet> I think I might be on to something..
[30-Mar-2007 16:36:50] <jreese> oh?
[30-Mar-2007 16:40:01] <jreese> well, it's associated with the RRDTemplate from the looks of it
[30-Mar-2007 16:40:06] <jreese> it's just not making the .rrd file
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[30-Mar-2007 16:41:33] <chet> What class is your ZenMode derived from?
[30-Mar-2007 16:41:38] <chet> er.. ZenModel.
[30-Mar-2007 16:41:46] <jreese> OSComponent
[30-Mar-2007 16:41:52] <jreese> i think..
[30-Mar-2007 16:41:57] <chet> good.. it should be.
[30-Mar-2007 16:42:06] <chet> Have you set it's monitor property to true?
[30-Mar-2007 16:42:09] <jreese> from OSComponent import OSComponent <-- would that do it?
[30-Mar-2007 16:42:22] <jreese> yeah, it's true by default
[30-Mar-2007 16:43:07] <chet> How'd you set that?
[30-Mar-2007 16:43:09] <jreese> do you think it needs a threshhold?
[30-Mar-2007 16:43:26] <jreese> i have "monitor = True" in the beginning of the class
[30-Mar-2007 16:43:54] <jreese> it shows up as true in the interface
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[30-Mar-2007 16:44:49] <chet> And your data source has the same name as your class' value for getRRDNames?
[30-Mar-2007 16:46:47] <jreese> nope, i don't have that method
[30-Mar-2007 16:46:50] <jreese> sec
[30-Mar-2007 16:50:05] <chet> I have to get going. Good luck with that thing. Hopefully I'll have some time over the weekend to dig into it a bit more.
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[30-Mar-2007 16:50:44] <jreese> damn
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[30-Mar-2007 17:04:13] <TransTh> I have aquestion about adding a new service, whenever I add a service it does not have a place for a port number. I noticed this even in the documentation and haven't found anything about it other than adding services will be a future ability. Can anyone give me a solution or workaround other than canbalizing an already present service?
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[30-Mar-2007 18:30:07] <jreese> haha! got it
[30-Mar-2007 18:31:51] <jreese> i'm going to change my name to something really long so chet can hopefully not spend time looking into it
[30-Mar-2007 18:31:59] <jreese-chet-Prod> damn, nvm
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[30-Mar-2007 23:14:46] <matholio> Hi all.
[30-Mar-2007 23:15:43] <matholio> I've used Nagios for years and it's fine, but I find some aspect aren't good enough, so I'm a looking about at other offerings.
[30-Mar-2007 23:16:07] <matholio> Can Zenoss do distributed monitoring ?
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[31-Mar-2007 01:02:58] <matholio> Can Zenoss do distributed monitoring ?
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