[01-Oct-2006 00:00:03] <quux> I have the vmware virtual machine. snmpwalk -v 1 localhost -c public fails with 'No response from localhost'
[01-Oct-2006 00:00:57] <quux> I tell iptables to accept udp 161 and 161 ..
[01-Oct-2006 00:06:43] <quux> err, 161 and 162
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[01-Oct-2006 00:18:41] <quux> nevermind. duh, snmpd is not configured as a startup service
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[01-Oct-2006 14:19:47] <neolinux> hi
[01-Oct-2006 14:19:56] <neolinux> anyone can help me?
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[01-Oct-2006 23:56:29] <duffyd> hello all, it appears that when you rename a device or delete it from zenoss, the events remain and appear to be orphaned as you can no longer access the device
[01-Oct-2006 23:56:35] <duffyd> how would I remove these events?
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[02-Oct-2006 02:12:05] <Deciph> anyone else here using the vmware build and notice many of the processing crashing after a little while? All the servers I've put it on have this problem and I've heard from a few other people that also experience this.
[02-Oct-2006 04:34:30] <skopii> Deciph: I had this problem when I would move servers around and rename them
[02-Oct-2006 04:35:06] <skopii> after I figured out why it waas happening I used zendisc and added the servers to the correct path, and take frequent backups
[02-Oct-2006 04:35:12] <skopii> I no longer experiance the problem
[02-Oct-2006 04:45:50] <Deciph> hmm.. i haven't moved them at all.. just a fresh startup, added a few devices to monitor and it starts dieing after an hour or two
[02-Oct-2006 06:52:39] <quux> I'm getting many 'oid .1.x.x.x.x is bad' errors. Are there a few recommended mibs I should e importing?
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[02-Oct-2006 11:56:17] <Cyberai> I'm trying to get zenoss up and running on Ubuntu and I have followed the instructions at http://www.howtoforge.com/zenoss_network_monitor_ubuntu. I followed the instructions to the letter and everything went pretty much textbook. Yet when I go to http://localhost:8080/zport/dmd, I get nothing. Can anyone help?
[02-Oct-2006 11:57:57] <creiht> Cyberai: What happens if you go to http://localhost:8080/
[02-Oct-2006 11:57:57] <adytum-bot> Title: Zope (at localhost:8080)
[02-Oct-2006 11:58:27] <Cyberai> creiht, I get the zope quickstart
[02-Oct-2006 11:58:42] <creiht> ok good... then Zope is running
[02-Oct-2006 11:58:56] <Cyberai> ok
[02-Oct-2006 11:59:14] <creiht> When you say that you get nothing... you mean a blank screen?
[02-Oct-2006 11:59:26] <creiht> Does the cursor indicate that it is still trying to load?
[02-Oct-2006 12:00:38] <Cyberai> no, I get the "server not found" page in firefox
[02-Oct-2006 12:01:07] <creiht> Try forcing a refresh?
[02-Oct-2006 12:01:23] <Cyberai> still nothing
[02-Oct-2006 12:01:30] <creiht> Maybe it's caching
[02-Oct-2006 12:01:31] <creiht> hmm
[02-Oct-2006 12:03:28] <creiht> Cyberai: It's odd that it would find the server for the main zope page, bug it doesn't find the main zenoss page
[02-Oct-2006 12:03:57] <Cyberai> yeah, and I can log into the zope management interface at http://localhost:8080/manage
[02-Oct-2006 12:04:15] <Cyberai> using the admin username and the password I defined during zenoss install
[02-Oct-2006 12:05:12] <creiht> When in the admin interface you see the zport folder right?
[02-Oct-2006 12:05:48] <Cyberai> woah, I restarted zope and it started working
[02-Oct-2006 12:05:58] <creiht> heh... cool
[02-Oct-2006 12:06:02] <Cyberai> now localhost:8080/zport/dmd works
[02-Oct-2006 12:06:06] <Cyberai> yeah
[02-Oct-2006 12:06:07] <Cyberai> !
[02-Oct-2006 12:06:27] <Cyberai> hmmm, but is says "Lost connections to zenoss" in red in the upper right
[02-Oct-2006 12:07:48] <creiht> Give it a sec if you just restarted zope
[02-Oct-2006 12:07:54] <creiht> It should go away
[02-Oct-2006 12:08:22] <Cyberai> nope, refreshing the page doesn't make it go away eight
[02-Oct-2006 12:08:26] <Cyberai> either
[02-Oct-2006 12:08:46] <creiht> I would try restarting all of zenoss
[02-Oct-2006 12:08:50] <creiht> zenoss stop
[02-Oct-2006 12:08:54] <creiht> zenoss start
[02-Oct-2006 12:09:09] <Cyberai> ok, hold on
[02-Oct-2006 12:09:52] <Cyberai> hmmm, zopectl is asking for a password
[02-Oct-2006 12:10:06] <creiht> It is the user's password
[02-Oct-2006 12:10:10] <Cyberai> ok, it took my user asswd
[02-Oct-2006 12:10:20] <creiht> Since it has to run some things with suo
[02-Oct-2006 12:10:22] <creiht> err sudo
[02-Oct-2006 12:11:58] <Cyberai> ok, still says lost connection
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:19] <Cyberai> perhaps I need to set the password in the settings page?
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:26] <creiht> Cyberai: I don't think so
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:30] <Cyberai> hmm
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:33] <creiht> Taht should already be set up
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:44] <creiht> I would check your logs
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:47] <Cyberai> slots are empty
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:51] <Cyberai> ok
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:52] <creiht> in $ZENHOME/log
[02-Oct-2006 12:13:01] <creiht> and see if you can find anything noticeable
[02-Oct-2006 12:13:31] <Cyberai> OperationalError: (2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)")
[02-Oct-2006 12:13:36] <Cyberai> weird
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:09] <creiht> Can you connect to MySQL from the command line?
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:28] <Cyberai> nope
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:38] <Cyberai> error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:38] <Cyberai> Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:43] <creiht> Then I would say that is probably the problem
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:46] <Cyberai> let me try restarting it
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:49] <creiht> Yeah
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:54] <creiht> doesn't sound like it is running
[02-Oct-2006 12:17:35] <creiht> Off to lunch... I'll be back later if you are still running into issues
[02-Oct-2006 12:17:42] <Cyberai> ok, thanks
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[02-Oct-2006 14:18:58] <quux> When I get a message like the following, where should troubleshooting begin? Do I need to import a mib to zenoss, or update something on the monitored system?
[02-Oct-2006 14:19:00] <quux> Error reading value for "ssCpuRawSystem" on zenoss.cojones.org (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.11.52.0 is bad)
[02-Oct-2006 14:28:19] <creiht> quux: Does it happen just once in a while, or is it repeatedly getting that every time it polls?
[02-Oct-2006 14:28:42] <quux> creiht, I am getting it every poll
[02-Oct-2006 14:29:01] <creiht> Then the system being polled isn't exposing that oid
[02-Oct-2006 14:29:18] <creiht> At least that is what I would guess
[02-Oct-2006 14:29:28] <creiht> What type of system is it?
[02-Oct-2006 14:29:50] <quux> hmm. I am getting it on several wndows systems, and (the example above) the zenoss system itself. Which is the vmware image, btw
[02-Oct-2006 14:30:50] <creiht> Are other values being polled correctly?
[02-Oct-2006 14:30:56] <quux> yes
[02-Oct-2006 14:32:53] <creiht> Are the window's boxes getting the exact same message, or are they having problems polling other areas?
[02-Oct-2006 14:34:44] <quux> in the case of the windows systems, it's always the same three counters. memoryPagesPerSec, memoryAvailableKBytes, cpuPercentProcessorTime
[02-Oct-2006 14:35:01] <quux> the windows systems are 3x W2003R2, and 1x W2000SP4
[02-Oct-2006 14:35:23] <creiht> quux: Ok... that is because the built in windows agent does not expose those values
[02-Oct-2006 14:35:39] <creiht> If you would like to se those values, you will want to install SNMP Informant
[02-Oct-2006 14:35:47] <creiht> The basic version is free
[02-Oct-2006 14:36:04] <creiht> It is basically a plugin for the MS SNMP agent that exposes the other values
[02-Oct-2006 14:36:48] <quux> Ahhh, Garth Williams. I contributed some money to him, years ago ..
[02-Oct-2006 14:36:53] <quux> thanks.
[02-Oct-2006 14:37:01] <creiht> cool
[02-Oct-2006 14:39:07] <quux> I also see it for 7 values on the zenoss system itself. Is there a snmpd.conf example file you guys recommend?
[02-Oct-2006 14:39:34] <creiht> quux: First check to make snmp is running on the box
[02-Oct-2006 14:39:41] <creiht> err snmpd
[02-Oct-2006 14:39:42] <quux> I did; it is
[02-Oct-2006 14:40:04] <creiht> hmm I'm not sure of an example, but I just followed the examples that are in the default snmpd.conf
[02-Oct-2006 14:40:16] <creiht> This was on a redhat box
[02-Oct-2006 14:40:17] <quux> I may write a ticket for y'all to suggest that be added to the chkconfig on the next vmware appliance you release
[02-Oct-2006 14:40:43] <creiht> quux: Note that I'm not part of the team... Just a happy user
[02-Oct-2006 14:40:49] <creiht> But a good idea none the less
[02-Oct-2006 14:41:51] <quux> hmm. in my snmpd.conf I just stuck the line
[02-Oct-2006 14:41:53] <quux> view all included .1
[02-Oct-2006 14:43:21] <creiht> Just checked mine
[02-Oct-2006 14:43:23] <creiht> and I have
[02-Oct-2006 14:43:31] <creiht> view systemview included .1 80
[02-Oct-2006 14:44:02] <quux> mine has a a line just like that, minus the '80' mask
[02-Oct-2006 14:44:10] <quux> not sure what the mask does, btw
[02-Oct-2006 14:44:26] <creiht> I'm not sure either... it was just in the example I copied it from
[02-Oct-2006 14:51:21] <quux> are you running the vmware image?
[02-Oct-2006 14:53:10] <creiht> No I haven't used it yet
[02-Oct-2006 14:55:10] <quux> I appreciate the help you've given
[02-Oct-2006 14:55:48] <creiht> np
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[02-Oct-2006 17:06:57] <duffyd> hello, it appears that if you remove a device from zenoss it doesn't also remove the associated events and they subsequently become 'orphaned' (as far as I can tell)
[02-Oct-2006 17:07:04] <duffyd> Does anyone know how to remove these events?
[02-Oct-2006 17:07:58] <quux> did you try the zeo pack database thing?
[02-Oct-2006 17:08:57] <quux> see 10.5.2 in the admin doc
[02-Oct-2006 17:09:08] <duffyd> ahh, ta
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[02-Oct-2006 18:36:54] <quux> hello zenoss devs?
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[02-Oct-2006 18:48:20] <quux> how did that zeo pack go, duffy?
[02-Oct-2006 18:48:29] <duffyd> hello again quux, I tried the pack of the ZODB as you said and didn't seemed to fix it :-(
[02-Oct-2006 18:48:59] <quux> Sorry. I was just guessing and hoping. I'm still working my way through the zenoss thicket myself
[02-Oct-2006 18:49:22] <duffyd> k, ta
[02-Oct-2006 18:49:27] <duffyd> great product, though
[02-Oct-2006 18:49:33] <duffyd> esp cos it's running on zope :-)
[02-Oct-2006 18:49:37] <quux> curious: are you running the vmware appliance?
[02-Oct-2006 18:50:27] <duffyd> no, straight on top of ubuntu
[02-Oct-2006 18:50:35] <quux> ahh, ok
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[02-Oct-2006 18:51:21] <quux> Several of us (in vmware instances) have noticed that the zenperfsnmp seems to stop collecting data after awhile; I'm trying to figure out why
[02-Oct-2006 18:52:01] <duffyd> k, sorry haven't looked closely at the zenperfsnmp stuff but mine has been running for about 2 months and still collecting data fine
[02-Oct-2006 18:53:21] <duffyd> I'm just trying to setup a basic virtual host to the zenoss instance and I can do this fine using the standard zope VHM approach but for some reason no events show up in the dashboard
[02-Oct-2006 18:53:29] <duffyd> if I access the instance via localhost they all show up fine
[02-Oct-2006 18:53:30] <duffyd> strange
[02-Oct-2006 18:53:44] <quux> sorry, I'm not a zope wizard
[02-Oct-2006 18:54:06] <duffyd> np, I'm actually a zope developer so its got me a little stumped
[02-Oct-2006 18:54:20] <duffyd> probably just a setting pointing at localhost some where in zenoss config
[02-Oct-2006 18:54:36] <duffyd> *fingers crossed*
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[02-Oct-2006 22:26:36] <quux> through tral and error, I have learned that when zenperfsnmp stops collecting events, I can kickstart it by restarting zenxevent
[02-Oct-2006 23:16:42] <quux> OK, this is a big one - I am running the vmware image. Cannot create alerting rules
[02-Oct-2006 23:16:44] <quux> --Error Type: ImportError
[02-Oct-2006 23:16:44] <quux> --Error Value: No module named yapps
[02-Oct-2006 23:37:11] <quux> ok, I sent that and the zenperfsnmp stopping issue as tickets 369, 370
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[03-Oct-2006 03:35:09] <dimmer`> hi, guyz
[03-Oct-2006 03:35:37] <dimmer`> is anybody alive here?
[03-Oct-2006 04:11:47] <dimmer`> erhh, guyz-guyz...
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[03-Oct-2006 04:17:16] <quux> dimmer`: howdy
[03-Oct-2006 04:24:05] <dimmer`> fine
[03-Oct-2006 04:24:16] <dimmer`> did anybody tried zenoss?
[03-Oct-2006 04:24:42] <quux> I'm using it
[03-Oct-2006 04:24:43] <dimmer`> i'm interested in it, but i am not sure in its functionality
[03-Oct-2006 04:25:01] <dimmer`> espicially event log correlation
[03-Oct-2006 04:25:13] <dimmer`> aggregation and realtime monitoring
[03-Oct-2006 04:25:18] <quux> I have not worked with the eventlog stuff yet
[03-Oct-2006 04:25:38] <dimmer`> and what are you using in it?
[03-Oct-2006 04:25:50] <quux> I'll play with it, but am thinking of a combination of zenoss and splunk
[03-Oct-2006 04:25:59] <quux> So far, just the snmp monitoring
[03-Oct-2006 04:26:02] <dimmer`> how many servers does it serve?
[03-Oct-2006 04:26:46] <quux> Not sure how far it will scale. Right now I have it snmp polling about 12 servers, and it finishes its check cycle in about 8 seconds
[03-Oct-2006 04:29:00] <quux> the polling zenoss station is on my laptop via wireless, I'm sure that slows it down
[03-Oct-2006 04:30:05] <dimmer`> i've a big distributed net. there are hundreds of servers
[03-Oct-2006 04:30:14] <dimmer`> that's why i'm in doubts
[03-Oct-2006 04:32:02] <quux> I would say it's worth your time to test. I've looked at nagios, zabbix, and zenoss - so far zenoss is the one I find easiest to use
[03-Oct-2006 04:32:41] <dimmer`> ease of use isn't the main point. the main is functionality
[03-Oct-2006 04:32:52] <dimmer`> what about nagios and zabbix?
[03-Oct-2006 04:32:52] <quux> The object layout is *very* well designed
[03-Oct-2006 04:33:07] <dimmer`> and what's splunk?
[03-Oct-2006 04:33:37] <quux> I think with large large nets, ease of use is very important. If configuring hundres of hosts means performing literally thousands of config actions, you'll never get done
[03-Oct-2006 04:33:57] <quux> splunk is basically a syslog server that puts all entries into a searchable database
[03-Oct-2006 04:34:00] <dimmer`> did you think of using such systems as cisco MARS ?
[03-Oct-2006 04:34:25] <quux> I have not had the opportnity nor budget to get serious about Cisco mgmt software
[03-Oct-2006 04:35:15] <quux> Although we did use some of it at a company I used to be with - I found it pretty heavy.
[03-Oct-2006 04:35:25] <dimmer`> i see. i hope, i will have. but i want it work. and I am not sure that cisco wil comply my reqs
[03-Oct-2006 04:35:57] <quux> is this your first time setting up NMS/monitoring software?
[03-Oct-2006 04:36:27] <dimmer`> yes
[03-Oct-2006 04:36:59] <quux> OK. If you don't mind, I will mention a few bits of advice - I've been through this wringer a couple of times
[03-Oct-2006 04:37:07] <dimmer`> of course!
[03-Oct-2006 04:37:38] <quux> 1) Often you go into such a project with very grand plans to monitor many many things per host
[03-Oct-2006 04:38:27] <quux> I never see this really work well. What happens is it takes up *all* your time for many months, getting it right, and then keeping it up to date as systems change
[03-Oct-2006 04:39:12] <quux> So start small. Monitor the essentials - system responds to ping, has enough free disk, missioncritical services are running
[03-Oct-2006 04:39:27] <quux> you can add more later if it is needed.
[03-Oct-2006 04:40:32] <quux> 2) Start with a lowcost or free software, to do all the above. Get your feet wet with that; you'll learn a lot about what you *realy* want/need as opposed to what you thought you wanted.
[03-Oct-2006 04:40:40] <dimmer`> yes, but the system should have the possibility to scale
[03-Oct-2006 04:40:51] <quux> The lowcost/free software may do all you need in the end.
[03-Oct-2006 04:41:12] <quux> If not, this will help draw a realistic RFP for your next try
[03-Oct-2006 04:42:19] <quux> 3) Use high thresholds.
[03-Oct-2006 04:42:53] <quux> So often I see people setup, for instance, 'send alarm when cpu hits 90%'
[03-Oct-2006 04:43:35] <quux> what happens then is CPU spikes to 90% 5 times a day, and pretty soon nobody cares when the monitor system has red dots all over it
[03-Oct-2006 04:44:17] <quux> a better threshold, if your system can do it, is '100% cpu for 5 minutes continuously'
[03-Oct-2006 04:44:34] <quux> or 'average 90% cpu for 5 minutes'
[03-Oct-2006 04:45:39] <dimmer`> you know, my main goal to achieve is to get kind a IDS whole ove the network, including events correlation, privileged users activity, logs from firewalls, anti-virus software, routers etc
[03-Oct-2006 04:45:49] <quux> I can think of many other things, like setting SLA, and defining the workflow for responding to alarms, but that stuff will get you started
[03-Oct-2006 04:46:07] <quux> You might want to look at OSSIM
[03-Oct-2006 04:46:11] <dimmer`> sarbanes oxley act comlying
[03-Oct-2006 04:46:33] <quux> But honestly, that's exactly the mistake I have seen made over and over again.
[03-Oct-2006 04:46:41] <quux> Start small and realistic.
[03-Oct-2006 04:47:05] <dimmer`> thanks!
[03-Oct-2006 04:47:08] <dimmer`> i will try
[03-Oct-2006 04:47:13] <quux> Try to do too much at once and you will be overloaded in the details
[03-Oct-2006 04:47:42] <dimmer`> you seem to be very expirienced wity this things, don't you?
[03-Oct-2006 04:47:48] <quux> as to sarbanes oxley ... fah. Companies are going overboard with that
[03-Oct-2006 04:48:11] <quux> Well, I've been interested in monitoring for 10 years or so, been invloved with many such projects
[03-Oct-2006 04:48:30] <dimmer`> I am glad to meet you here!
[03-Oct-2006 04:48:54] <dimmer`> just not to lost can give me your email ? mine is golomidov@gmail.com
[03-Oct-2006 04:49:05] <quux> Section 404 of SOX is very clear: it is only necessary to apply it to those systems which substancially impact financial reports.
[03-Oct-2006 04:49:13] <dimmer`> i am an informational security specialist
[03-Oct-2006 04:49:24] <quux> ah. bryanlockwood@gmail.com
[03-Oct-2006 04:50:05] <dimmer`> nice to meet you, Bryan!
[03-Oct-2006 04:50:29] <quux> What part of the country are you in?
[03-Oct-2006 04:50:31] <dimmer`> ossim seems to be nice
[03-Oct-2006 04:50:37] <dimmer`> I am from Russia
[03-Oct-2006 04:50:42] <dimmer`> and you?
[03-Oct-2006 04:50:48] <quux> redmond, Washington
[03-Oct-2006 04:50:56] <quux> Russia and SOX compliance?
[03-Oct-2006 04:51:19] <dimmer`> Microsoft's main city Yes, and why are you surprised?
[03-Oct-2006 04:51:42] <dimmer`> it's not by law - it's because of our shareholders
[03-Oct-2006 04:51:57] <quux> oh I see
[03-Oct-2006 04:52:28] <dimmer`> SOA is very clever and smart document
[03-Oct-2006 04:53:15] <quux> It has caused much confusion, though
[03-Oct-2006 04:53:31] <quux> Many, many consultants are milking it to death
[03-Oct-2006 04:54:46] <quux> When you see someone applying SOX controls & audits to general file servers, you know someone is cashing in for the big fees
[03-Oct-2006 04:54:54] <dimmer`> of course. I hope, I will not be in that number of consultants.
[03-Oct-2006 04:55:34] <dimmer`> you know, as it is not by law I hope the deadline will be far from me
[03-Oct-2006 04:56:07] <dimmer`> did you try osssim?
[03-Oct-2006 04:56:50] <quux> I experimented with the online copy about a year ago. Have not used it since. I should try again; it has probably matured since then
[03-Oct-2006 04:58:22] <dimmer`> why don't you like it that time?
[03-Oct-2006 04:58:50] <quux> many things were not complete then. Oh yeah, I did actually run it in my test lab I remember now
[03-Oct-2006 05:01:10] <dimmer`> nice. may be, you know anything else like ossim?
[03-Oct-2006 05:01:44] <quux> it's the only one I can think of at the moment
[03-Oct-2006 05:03:25] <quux> you could look at NST also. It's quite different, but what's nice about it is that it can be a remote snort probe that sends IDS events to a central console - and provides many other utilities on your remote nets
[03-Oct-2006 05:04:15] <quux> bisically it makes a bootable CD that you can just send to the site and have someone run.
[03-Oct-2006 05:04:38] <quux> no install - the liveCD does it all
[03-Oct-2006 05:06:27] <dimmer`> NST - networksecuritytoolkit ?
[03-Oct-2006 05:06:36] <quux> yes
[03-Oct-2006 05:07:59] <dimmer`> Oh, I did look through it
[03-Oct-2006 05:09:01] <dimmer`> actually my workstation is almost NST same tools I 've installed. I want an enterprise solution
[03-Oct-2006 05:10:08] <quux> NST can be part of one... let it be a remote snort probe that reports to your central solution
[03-Oct-2006 05:10:25] <quux> in addition you get local nessus, nmap and so on for each subnet
[03-Oct-2006 05:10:41] <dimmer`> hm.. may be. I will think about it
[03-Oct-2006 05:11:00] <dimmer`> but it would get MS events
[03-Oct-2006 05:11:06] <quux> and ethereal of course. No matter how cool your central solution is, nothing beats having diagnostic tools local on the various subnets
[03-Oct-2006 05:11:17] <dimmer`> wireshark now
[03-Oct-2006 05:11:45] <quux> yeah, I have to train myself to say that ... benn using ethereal a long time
[03-Oct-2006 05:14:55] <dimmer`> I see. i also like it very much
[03-Oct-2006 05:15:27] <quux> It has gotten very good over the years
[03-Oct-2006 05:15:57] <dimmer`> yeh. And nmap
[03-Oct-2006 05:16:00] <dimmer`> and nessus
[03-Oct-2006 05:16:06] <dimmer`> and snort
[03-Oct-2006 05:17:47] <dimmer`> Ok. Thank you very much for an advice. I will look through all software you mention. And I will remember your advice. Thank you! If you don't mind I will ask you by email
[03-Oct-2006 05:17:52] <quux> ntop is pretyt handy too
[03-Oct-2006 05:17:56] <quux> sure
[03-Oct-2006 05:18:15] <dimmer`> bye!
[03-Oct-2006 05:18:28] <quux> take care
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[03-Oct-2006 17:32:05] <quux> I am a bit confused. I defined a new rrdTemplate called 'Test', and placed it at /Devices/Server/Windows ... how do I make it show up in individual server pages?
[03-Oct-2006 17:43:15] <quux> Ahh, nevermind, I see now that I need to add those OIDs and the graph definition to the 'Devices' rrd template
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[03-Oct-2006 18:25:37] <korozion> hey cool, that's two people I've converted to ZenOSS
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[03-Oct-2006 20:34:53] <quux> OK, I _really_ wanna congratulate you guys. Zenoss is very sweet!
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[04-Oct-2006 19:10:33] <shaggyoaf> hi everybody
[04-Oct-2006 19:12:54] <shaggyoaf> Im doing a basic-level software evaluation of a bunch of different manageability products (we want to know what's even worth looking at) and I'm really impressed by zenoss
[04-Oct-2006 19:13:47] <shaggyoaf> how well developed is its support for info outside of snmp?
[04-Oct-2006 19:14:15] <shaggyoaf> I'm seeing that it can do things via xmlrpc and on the wiki I found a stub for how to write a data collector (nothing in that link)
[04-Oct-2006 19:14:40] <shaggyoaf> so is it a matter of documentation not being there yet, or is it more a matter of the software itself not being there yet?
[04-Oct-2006 19:23:36] <shaggyoaf> can zenoss send xmlrpc messages back to agents?
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[05-Oct-2006 17:46:12] <_chris_> anyone using snmpd under gentoo?
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[05-Oct-2006 20:19:32] <korozion> bbl
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[06-Oct-2006 18:50:21] <Deciph> Can someone point me in the direction of setting a static IP on my vmware box?
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[06-Oct-2006 22:48:03] <quux> deciph: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
[07-Oct-2006 00:08:57] <Deciph> awesome thanks!
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[08-Oct-2006 03:55:49] <nictuku> hi
[08-Oct-2006 03:56:01] <quux> hello
[08-Oct-2006 03:56:21] <nictuku> I wonder why I haven't heard of zenoss before.
[08-Oct-2006 03:56:37] <nictuku> trying it now
[08-Oct-2006 03:57:08] <quux> It's a nice tool
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[12-Oct-2006 10:13:33] <floydian> I am having trouble loading MIB files - I seem to be getting python errors
[12-Oct-2006 10:28:57] <floydian> Here's the message I'm getting, which is 10-12 lines long
[12-Oct-2006 10:29:28] <floydian> sh: line 1: 10055 Segmentation fault smidump -fpython -p "/usr/local/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf/SNMPv2-SMI" -p "/usr/local/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf/SNMPv2-TC" -p "/usr/local/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf/SNMPv2-CONF" -p "/usr/local/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf/HOST-RESOURCES-MIB" -p "/usr/local/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf/IF-MIB" -p "/usr/local/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf/SNMPv2-MIB" -p "/usr/local/zenoss/share/mibs/iana/IANAifType-MIB" "43jobman.mib" 2>/dev/null
[12-Oct-2006 10:30:06] <floydian> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Failed to load mib: 43jobman.mib
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[13-Oct-2006 04:48:42] <keving> #zenoss is: Zenoss is your friend.
[13-Oct-2006 04:48:50] <keving> if i can figure out more about it
[13-Oct-2006 04:48:56] <keving> I am sure that would be true
[13-Oct-2006 04:48:59] <keving>
[13-Oct-2006 04:49:05] <keving> btw I love the program
[13-Oct-2006 04:49:15] <keving> been playing with the virt
[13-Oct-2006 04:49:20] <keving> just set up the server
[13-Oct-2006 04:49:28] <keving> need help setting it up further
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[13-Oct-2006 13:18:07] <srineer> hello
[13-Oct-2006 13:18:33] <quux> hiya
[13-Oct-2006 13:18:39] <srineer> is zenoss going to stay full Open source?
[13-Oct-2006 13:19:07] <quux> I can't speak for them (I'm just abother user), but they seem pretty committed to it
[13-Oct-2006 13:19:27] <srineer> how does it compare to nagios?
[13-Oct-2006 13:19:46] <quux> Given that they already have some venture capitalization and are still GPL, I'd say they'll probably stick to it
[13-Oct-2006 13:20:00] <quux> it's *way* easier to setup than nagios
[13-Oct-2006 13:20:28] <quux> doesn't (yet) provide some of the sophisticated reports nagios gives
[13-Oct-2006 13:21:16] <quux> But has (imo) a much more logical layout that nagios, is quite clean, and the head dev definitely has the vision to blow past nagios in time. Again, IMO
[13-Oct-2006 13:21:57] <quux> I sound a little like a cheerleader, but then I've been looking for a good monitoring program for 12+ years
[13-Oct-2006 13:22:12] <quux> And in zenoss I finally see the seeds
[13-Oct-2006 13:22:18] <srineer> hmm
[13-Oct-2006 13:23:09] <srineer> i currently am watching about 2300 services with 3 nagios boxes
[13-Oct-2006 13:23:18] <srineer> will zenoss handle that?
[13-Oct-2006 13:23:34] <quux> Can't say. I haven't scaled out that large yet
[13-Oct-2006 13:23:41] <quux> It does handle nagios plugins
[13-Oct-2006 13:24:20] <quux> Right now I don't see a provision for 'multiple zenoss boxen, one zenoss interface' though
[13-Oct-2006 13:24:49] <srineer> ok
[13-Oct-2006 13:25:07] <srineer> i will have to commit some time this weekend to put up a test box
[13-Oct-2006 13:25:26] <quux> the virtual appliance makes it easy
[13-Oct-2006 13:25:49] <quux> There's one bug in the appliance tho. The snmp gatherer will fail after a couple of hours.
[13-Oct-2006 13:26:23] <quux> I'm assured this is fixed for the next release, but at this rev I just cron a restart of the zensnmpd every hour
[13-Oct-2006 13:26:41] <srineer> k, im downloading the vmware image now
[13-Oct-2006 13:27:21] <quux> oops, sorry, I just referred to my notes. Actually I stuck this into an hourly cron job:
[13-Oct-2006 13:27:26] <quux> /home/zenoss/bin/zenxevent restart
[13-Oct-2006 13:27:46] <quux> I just added it into /etc/cron.hourly/zenoss
[13-Oct-2006 13:27:52] <srineer> i see
[13-Oct-2006 13:28:40] <quux> with that one thing, it's been running well against my little test farm for 2 weeks
[13-Oct-2006 13:28:54] <srineer> Cool
[13-Oct-2006 13:30:11] <quux> what I like best about zenoss is the hierarchical layout. So, if I have /devices/servers/linux/mail/{many different servers}
[13-Oct-2006 13:30:43] <quux> I can just define a check for mail services at that level, and all the servers in that branch of the tree inherit
[13-Oct-2006 13:31:00] <srineer> cool
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[13-Oct-2006 14:00:15] <r000t> hmmm .. where should i start .. just started playing around with this?? have done som work on nagios .. but how does this thing work
[13-Oct-2006 14:00:58] <r000t> i get confused on how you are supposed to use the nagios plugins and to check service-availability
[13-Oct-2006 14:01:14] <r000t> the docs are not as big as the ones that come with nagios
[13-Oct-2006 14:03:47] <r000t> ok its friday night and the beers are waiting .. i get it .. just me who cant keep away.. well have a good night then
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[14-Oct-2006 19:45:45] <keving> any one active in here?
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[15-Oct-2006 21:08:52] <davidn> Hey guys, I seem to be having a problem with snmp collection. The last collection point was 10/13, I ran conary updateall thinking it was the 10/2 update that might have taken care of the issue, but still not seeing collection.
[15-Oct-2006 21:09:07] <davidn> any ideas??
[15-Oct-2006 21:17:43] <quux> davidn: how long has your zenoss install been up?
[15-Oct-2006 21:18:38] <quux> try running: /home/zenoss/bin/zenxevent restart
[15-Oct-2006 21:34:29] <davidn> quux, around a week.....will try that
[15-Oct-2006 21:35:02] <quux> davidn, many have noted this on the Appliance. it's supposed to be solved for the next release
[15-Oct-2006 21:35:42] <quux> meanwhile, what I did was put that zenxevent restart lin in /etc/cron.hourly/zenoss
[15-Oct-2006 21:36:04] <quux> and now everything is fine, no missed snmp gathers for about a week and a half now
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[16-Oct-2006 11:49:45] <ke4qqq> Hey guys, I came in last night, explained that I had been using the vmware appliance for a couple of weeks now, and apparently after about 4-6 hours I noticed a lack of logging. Unfortunately I haven't had a whole lot of time to play with it until recently I read in the mailing list archives about the patch that came out, and I subsequently ran conary updateall, and even tried applying the patch, which told me that it had already been applied. S
[16-Oct-2006 11:49:45] <ke4qqq> ting zenxevent, however that has yielded no futher snmp logging. Any ideas on how to solve this issue?
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[16-Oct-2006 13:51:56] <quux> ke4qqq, you still there?
[16-Oct-2006 13:52:02] <ke4qqq> yep
[16-Oct-2006 13:54:43] <quux> Wat I did on the appliance was put this line:
[16-Oct-2006 13:54:49] <quux> /home/zenoss/bin/zenxevent
[16-Oct-2006 13:54:56] <quux> into this file:
[16-Oct-2006 13:55:05] <quux> /etc/cron.hourly/zenoss
[16-Oct-2006 13:55:49] <quux> and that solved the problem with snmp results quitting every 4 hours or so
[16-Oct-2006 13:56:14] <ke4qqq> even after I ran that, (haven't set it as a cron job) it never started collecting data
[16-Oct-2006 13:56:36] <ke4qqq> as a matter of fact, the first 4 hours are about the only time data was collected.....
[16-Oct-2006 13:57:32] <quux> hmm, do an etc/init.d/zenoss restart
[16-Oct-2006 13:57:38] <quux> to get everything rolling again
[16-Oct-2006 13:58:34] <ke4qqq> how soon after restarting should it start polling for data and posting it?
[16-Oct-2006 13:58:44] <quux> within 2 minutes
[16-Oct-2006 13:58:54] <ke4qqq> Thats the only bad thing about the vmware appliance, it doesn't force you to learn anything up front....
[16-Oct-2006 13:59:07] <quux> tail /home/zenoss/log/zenperfsnmp.log
[16-Oct-2006 14:00:40] <quux> I used that tail command (above) to see what was going on
[16-Oct-2006 14:01:03] <ke4qqq> I am getting this error but think it's still running: 2006-10-16 18:00:20 ERROR zen.zenperfsnmp: Error: Failure: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0x81 in position 51: unexpected code byte
[16-Oct-2006 14:01:26] <quux> hrm, I never saw that!
[16-Oct-2006 14:01:54] <ke4qqq> but I think the root problem was a persistent pid file....saw that a few entries up, once deleted the process stayed active
[16-Oct-2006 14:02:33] <quux> did you define any snmp tests yourself in the PerfConf tab?
[16-Oct-2006 14:03:08] <ke4qqq> no
[16-Oct-2006 14:04:21] <quux> does the error keep repeating in zenperfsnmp.log ?
[16-Oct-2006 14:04:38] <ke4qqq> no, just once
[16-Oct-2006 14:05:34] <ke4qqq> still not seeing any logging of snmp data either.....for instance hard drive free space, etc.
[16-Oct-2006 14:06:32] <quux> are you seeing something like this, about 1x/minute:
[16-Oct-2006 14:06:34] <quux> 2006-10-16 10:54:04 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: collected 11 of 11 devices in 2.55
[16-Oct-2006 14:06:46] <ke4qqq> no not seeing that at all....
[16-Oct-2006 14:07:14] <quux> Hmm, if you did the zenoss restart, then I do not know what to tell you
[16-Oct-2006 14:07:43] <ke4qqq> I think I see the problem, yet another pid file that didn't get rmed.
[16-Oct-2006 14:08:24] <ke4qqq> this was in zenxevent
[16-Oct-2006 14:09:06] <quux> that makes sense
[16-Oct-2006 14:12:58] <ke4qqq> hmmm should zenxevent continue running???
[16-Oct-2006 14:13:13] <ke4qqq> it dies (or fails to start)
[16-Oct-2006 14:13:43] <quux> it stays running on my box ..
[16-Oct-2006 14:13:57] <ke4qqq> i say it does, but I see the process running but when using the status command it says not running
[16-Oct-2006 14:14:32] <quux> check /home/zenoss/log/zenxevent.log
[16-Oct-2006 14:14:56] <ke4qqq> I did and it shows nothing other than the INFO zen.ZenXEvent: started
[16-Oct-2006 14:15:23] <quux> Hmm, I don't know. I'm just another user like you, don't know the internals
[16-Oct-2006 14:15:56] <quux> you may want to put in a ticket at http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki
[16-Oct-2006 14:15:56] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[16-Oct-2006 14:15:56] <ke4qqq> yeah....may try and revert it back and start afresh.....I am not too far down the road with it, and configuration is relatively easy....
[16-Oct-2006 14:16:17] <quux> Yeah, it's easy to config, that's one of the things I love
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[16-Oct-2006 17:06:05] <ke4qqq> interesting....I added a few servers (around 15) and apparently one of them is causing them to choke I stopped doing reviews of the log files on every item I added after the first few, but now, I get ERROR zen.zenperfsnmp: Error: Failure: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0x81 in position 51: unexpected code byte
[16-Oct-2006 17:07:24] <quux> just me yakking, but I bet if you could capture an snmpwalk of whatever is the problem system, and put that in as a ticket, it'd be a cool thing
[16-Oct-2006 17:12:34] <ke4qqq> yeah thats what I have been doing, just now narrowing it down to a single system
[16-Oct-2006 17:13:05] <ke4qqq> finally found it....now just to figure out what is position 51
[16-Oct-2006 17:13:48] <ke4qqq> incidentally, it's my solitary Win2k server
[16-Oct-2006 17:15:15] <quux> odd. I am doing snmp against a w2k server and no probs
[16-Oct-2006 17:15:31] <quux> I would bet it's within the software oid tho
[16-Oct-2006 17:37:47] <ke4qqq> might be
[16-Oct-2006 17:45:58] <ke4qqq> any idea how to narrow down what I might be looking for?
[16-Oct-2006 17:56:18] <quux> sorry, I wish I knew something!
[16-Oct-2006 17:56:28] <quux> be looking for strange chars, I think
[16-Oct-2006 18:10:16] <ke4qqq> well there are 2861 lines of data with nearly 200,000 characters, so that may take me a while
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[17-Oct-2006 11:33:53] <kippi617> hey
[17-Oct-2006 11:34:37] <kippi617> I have just installed this, looks brill, just added one of my servers which I cannot ping, or remote desktop to but it is saying that ping is ok, anyideas why this is?
[17-Oct-2006 11:38:11] <creiht> kippi617: Give it a few minutes... Configurations are reloaded every 20 minutes I think, so it may have not picked up the new device yet
[17-Oct-2006 11:38:33] <kippi617> its saying its online but i cannot ping it
[17-Oct-2006 11:38:38] <creiht> Right
[17-Oct-2006 11:38:50] <creiht> Because it hasn't actually started polling yet
[17-Oct-2006 11:38:56] <kippi617> ah
[17-Oct-2006 11:39:04] <creiht> There hasn't been anything to tell it is down yet
[17-Oct-2006 11:39:42] <creiht> If you are just testing, you could restart zenoss, and it should start polling immediately
[17-Oct-2006 11:40:08] <kippi617> ah ha
[17-Oct-2006 11:46:53] <kippi617> how can I restart zenoss, looked on google but can't see anything
[17-Oct-2006 11:50:19] <creiht> $ZENHOME/bin/zenoss stop
[17-Oct-2006 11:50:28] <creiht> $ZENHOME/bin/zenoss start
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[17-Oct-2006 11:58:07] <kippi617> hmm
[17-Oct-2006 11:58:19] <kippi617> even after a restart its still saying things are up
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[17-Oct-2006 12:00:33] <creiht> make sure everything is running with:
[17-Oct-2006 12:00:42] <creiht> $ZENHOME/bin/zenoss status
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[17-Oct-2006 13:48:57] <kippi617> creiht: ah great
[17-Oct-2006 13:49:13] <kippi617> getting errors: No such file/directory
[17-Oct-2006 14:17:55] <creiht> kippi617: Where are you seeing those errors?
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[17-Oct-2006 16:28:21] <zoehead> Is anyone available to answe a question?
[17-Oct-2006 16:39:22] <creiht> zoehead: What is the question?
[17-Oct-2006 17:04:11] <zoehead> hi
[17-Oct-2006 17:04:51] <zoehead> I am running zenoss on the vmware virtual appliance and want to load some additional MIBS onto the server
[17-Oct-2006 17:05:42] <zoehead> it seems to be a scaled down OS without FTP loaded, any recommendation on how to transfer files onto the VM?
[17-Oct-2006 17:26:07] <creiht> zoehead: I haven't used the VM so I'm not completely sure... sorry. I'm not sure what os the VM uses but you should be able to install any packages you need (i.e. FTP)
[17-Oct-2006 18:17:47] <zoehead> Thanks for the reply, on another note have you had any experience customizing the interface? Changing colors adding graphics?
[17-Oct-2006 18:28:30] <creiht> zoehead: I have not done that either... though I have looked at some of the code. It is in Zope, so making small changes like that should be fairly straight forward
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[17-Oct-2006 18:35:23] <zoehead> thanks much
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[18-Oct-2006 00:50:47] <Fuzz_tx> anyone around?
[18-Oct-2006 00:52:38] <Fuzz_tx> Just wondering if anyone has had any success with importing the VM Appliance into ESX 3.0? The importer complains because it is not Windows os and then continues to convert but hangs on boot
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[18-Oct-2006 04:35:53] <kippi617> has anyone got a good install guild on how to install zenoss on Linux?
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[18-Oct-2006 11:13:14] <Fuzz_tx> has anyone had any success in getting the VMWare image to work under esx 3.0?
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[19-Oct-2006 11:32:46] <zoehead> hello all, I am looking for someone that has used the zenoss vmware virtual appliance. I am stumped on how to load any files to the server.
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[19-Oct-2006 12:38:37] <joeboo> test
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[19-Oct-2006 12:42:33] <TommyGun> Hello, anybody out there?
[19-Oct-2006 12:42:40] <joeboo> Tommy Gun Long time
[19-Oct-2006 12:42:47] <TommyGun> joeboo
[19-Oct-2006 12:42:51] <TommyGun> how you been buddy?
[19-Oct-2006 12:43:02] <TommyGun> still trying to figure out event mapping?
[19-Oct-2006 12:43:18] <joeboo> and nagios with sip
[19-Oct-2006 12:43:23] <TommyGun> oh
[19-Oct-2006 12:43:24] <TommyGun> yeah
[19-Oct-2006 12:43:27] <TommyGun> sip is a BEAR
[19-Oct-2006 12:43:40] <TommyGun> wonder if anyone has got that figured out
[19-Oct-2006 12:45:13] <TommyGun> hey, does anybody use this channel?
[19-Oct-2006 12:49:28] <joeboo> does anyone have a primer other than the admin guide for event mappings with expressions. I have a fw syslogging and the timestamp is new everytime
[19-Oct-2006 12:50:54] <TommyGun> hey
[19-Oct-2006 12:50:59] <TommyGun> thanks for all your help guys
[19-Oct-2006 12:51:03] <TommyGun> great tool!
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[19-Oct-2006 13:58:56] <joeboo> so do folks not use this channel or do i chat one on one? any help would be cool
[19-Oct-2006 14:09:58] <socialist> it's a really quiet channel
[19-Oct-2006 14:10:15] <socialist> the devs used to talk in here a bit, but I've barely seen them in weeks
[19-Oct-2006 14:14:07] <joeboo> OK wow
[19-Oct-2006 14:14:35] <joeboo> so have you done any event classifications with FW and stuff
[19-Oct-2006 14:43:50] <socialist> no, sorry :\
[19-Oct-2006 14:44:16] <socialist> tbh, I'm not even using zenoss anymore
[19-Oct-2006 14:45:19] <socialist> I'm just like the project so I lurk around
[19-Oct-2006 14:45:26] <socialist> s/I'm/I/
[19-Oct-2006 15:41:00] <joeboo> what is Escalate Count
[19-Oct-2006 17:27:37] <ke4qqq> socialist: If not Zenoss, then what are you using now?
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[19-Oct-2006 17:33:30] <socialist> ke4qqq: nagios+cacti+smokeping and assorted snmp trap stuff
[19-Oct-2006 17:35:40] <ke4qqq> interesting
[19-Oct-2006 17:35:53] <ke4qqq> why did you choose not to stick with zenoss
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[19-Oct-2006 19:33:53] <socialist> I found it to be unstable, the graphing/stats features are minimal at best, notification options are nonexistant and there are no escalation features
[19-Oct-2006 19:34:11] <socialist> almost all the earmarks of a young app
[19-Oct-2006 19:35:12] <socialist> I think there is a good chance that it will be a killer app eventually
[19-Oct-2006 19:38:44] <socialist> on a good note, I love the combined inventory/stats/monitoring approach
[19-Oct-2006 19:38:47] <socialist> and I love python
[19-Oct-2006 19:45:06] <socialist> oh, and I've been using nagios/netsaint for years, and while it's the most horribly tedious thing in the universe to set up, it's _very_ reliable and extensible. Once zenoss starts to get close to that, I'll switch with glee.
[19-Oct-2006 20:32:35] <quux> socialist: I'm running the vmware appliance, and with one modification (add a cron job to restart zenxevent hourly) it's working well
[19-Oct-2006 20:33:13] <quux> I still need to spend more time with it, set up and test notifications, but so far I'm very impressed
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[20-Oct-2006 06:07:36] <thomaskeller> Hi, is anybody using SuSE10.1?
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[20-Oct-2006 11:17:53] <skel> has anyone used the vmware download, and do you know if there's a way to use it in ESX 3 Server instead of with the player?
[20-Oct-2006 11:40:24] <skel> anyone know if there's a scsi vmware image instead of a ide one for zenoss?
[20-Oct-2006 12:42:25] <ke4qqq> skel.... I have used the vmware download with vmware server but not esx....and what difference is scsi/ide supposed to make?? (I apologize for my ignorance)
[20-Oct-2006 14:08:32] <skel> sorry was out for lunch
[20-Oct-2006 14:08:52] <skel> no immediate difference other than ESX won't import ide based vmdk's
[20-Oct-2006 14:09:05] <skel> it only uses scsi
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[20-Oct-2006 14:36:16] <ke4qqq> interesting.....good to know, maybe the zenoss devs will take that into consideration for the next release.
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[20-Oct-2006 14:40:38] <excelacomsysadmi> Hello, my name is Alejandro. I work with ExcelaCom under Jeff.
[20-Oct-2006 14:40:49] <excelacomsysadmi> I had a question regarding Zenoss
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[20-Oct-2006 15:21:11] <skel> that would be cool
[20-Oct-2006 15:21:54] <skel> we just wanted to use the vmsetup to try it out, we'd most likely use it on a dedicated physical server
[20-Oct-2006 15:59:49] <ke4qqq> yeah I am just trying it out here....the project has a lot of potential, but also quite a few problems, mainly dealing with lack of documentation.
[20-Oct-2006 16:02:21] <ke4qqq> (they just appear as problems)
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[20-Oct-2006 16:27:22] <_chris_> ke4qqq: i think the docs are going to get a lot better
[20-Oct-2006 16:27:31] <_chris_> have you seen the screencasts on the website?
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[20-Oct-2006 17:13:00] <ke4qqq> _chris_ not yet, but hopefully will get some time to....I sent an email to the docs guy volunteering to help b/c my coding sucks.
[20-Oct-2006 17:23:21] <_chris_> ke4qqq: the screencasts are very cool. i hope they make more of them
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[22-Oct-2006 17:01:26] <kiddle> anyone around?
[22-Oct-2006 17:42:09] <quux> hiya
[22-Oct-2006 18:12:53] <kiddle> hey quux
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[23-Oct-2006 03:11:12] <zmoto> hey, anyone around?
[23-Oct-2006 03:12:06] <quux> whats up?
[23-Oct-2006 03:24:18] <zmoto> i have FC5 and tried to install zenoss from the tarball but i got the error "unable to create the initial Zenoss object database". But the install log said at the end "No module named event" and "No module named subscribers" among the errors.
[23-Oct-2006 03:29:38] <zmoto> quux ?
[23-Oct-2006 03:29:58] <quux> sorry, I've only used the appliance
[23-Oct-2006 03:53:59] <zmoto> ordering CD..... just kidding ;-)
[23-Oct-2006 03:54:02] <zmoto> hahhaa.. good one
[23-Oct-2006 03:55:22] <quux> by appliance I mean the vmware image
[23-Oct-2006 04:34:49] <zmoto> [root@localhost docs]# cat INSTALL_FC5.txt
[23-Oct-2006 04:34:50] <zmoto> 1.) rpm -Uvh zen-rpms/*
[23-Oct-2006 04:34:59] <zmoto> where are those zen-rpms ?
[23-Oct-2006 04:35:02] <zmoto> any idea?
[23-Oct-2006 04:57:04] <kiddle> zmoto did you have sql installed?
[23-Oct-2006 05:03:19] <zmoto> i have mysql installed and running, kiddle
[23-Oct-2006 05:05:06] <zmoto> kiddle can you help ?
[23-Oct-2006 05:05:41] <zmoto> I've joined this channel about two hours ago and since then i've been trying to make zenoss to work
[23-Oct-2006 05:23:09] <zmoto> nice support
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[23-Oct-2006 06:32:13] <Xyo> I have a question about virtual appliance: is it limited somehow compared with normal instalation? Becouse I can't find how to monitor processess
[23-Oct-2006 06:37:08] <Xyo> Or is it possible to find more detailed documentation than Admin guide?
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[23-Oct-2006 10:41:27] <kiddle> who's stevem ?
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[23-Oct-2006 11:28:17] <skel> anyone installed zenoss on ubuntu? I got snmpd but can't find any snmpconfig program?
[23-Oct-2006 11:34:58] <joeboo> I installed zenoss on unbuntu on parallels but i did not look for snmpconfig
[23-Oct-2006 11:35:26] <joeboo> There's no /etc/snmpd.conf
[23-Oct-2006 11:40:37] <skel> there is, I'm just unfamiliar with how to configure it
[23-Oct-2006 11:41:00] <skel> do I need to bother? I need to enable public something
[23-Oct-2006 11:48:26] <joeboo> the file should contain @ a min "rocommunity" <tab> "community name"
[23-Oct-2006 11:48:43] <joeboo> and with that you should be able to discover your host
[23-Oct-2006 11:51:19] <skel> ok thanks =]
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[23-Oct-2006 14:22:51] <uncoded> Hi All, someone get this error when install the zenoss? " unable to create the initial Zenoss object database" ?
[23-Oct-2006 14:25:03] <_chris_> uncoded: do you have your ZENHOME set?
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[23-Oct-2006 14:27:26] <uncoded> _chris_, not .
[23-Oct-2006 14:27:49] <_chris_> uncoded: i'm not sure i understand.
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[23-Oct-2006 14:51:03] <uncoded> _chris_, I'm looking the zenbuild.log, and I getting the message -> http://pastebin.com/812096
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[24-Oct-2006 03:59:00] <kippi> hey
[24-Oct-2006 03:59:14] <kippi> I am getting this error when starting zenoss zopectl zenoss is not allowed to run sudo on network. Any ideas?
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[24-Oct-2006 06:59:21] <kippi> hey
[24-Oct-2006 06:59:25] <kippi> is anyone around?
[24-Oct-2006 06:59:46] <kippi> I am getting this error list index out of range when setting up e-mail alerts
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[24-Oct-2006 10:09:53] <kippi> I am getting this error list index out of range when setting up e-mail alerts
[24-Oct-2006 10:09:58] <kippi> any ideas?
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[24-Oct-2006 15:53:30] <kippi> I am getting this error list index out of range when setting up e-mail alerts, anyideas?
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[25-Oct-2006 05:42:15] <kippi> I am getting this error list index out of range when setting up e-mail alerts, anyideas?
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[25-Oct-2006 10:51:16] <skel> can zenoss monitor the availability and performance of a j2ee platform/app?
[25-Oct-2006 10:54:17] <skel> I'm guessing I'll need some sort of snmp2jmx java app to run in the containers I want to monitor
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[25-Oct-2006 16:28:22] <skel> anyone around?
[25-Oct-2006 16:28:38] <skel> I've got some zenoss/snmp/java questions =D
[25-Oct-2006 16:33:09] <skel> basically.. I've started up jboss with the 1.5 jdk enabling the built-in snmpv2 agent in java
[25-Oct-2006 16:33:38] <skel> I've stopped the win2k3 snmp serverices and I can remotely do an snmpwalk of my jboss server on that box
[25-Oct-2006 16:34:29] <skel> but when I try to add that jboss as a device, it says no snmp found for the host I'm trying to add
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[25-Oct-2006 19:38:16] <lunix-aus> hello all
[25-Oct-2006 19:43:06] <nictuku> hi
[25-Oct-2006 19:51:23] <lunix-aus> is there a zenoss forum ?
[25-Oct-2006 19:51:44] <lunix-aus> just something I find helpfull when I have questions.
[25-Oct-2006 20:03:26] <nictuku> i believe there is
[25-Oct-2006 20:27:43] <lunix-aus> mmm I couldnt find it.
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[26-Oct-2006 09:37:01] <kippi> I am getting this error list index out of range when setting up e-mail alerts, anyideas?
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[26-Oct-2006 10:58:49] <joeboo> i have not seen that in the email alerts
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[26-Oct-2006 16:40:24] <Nickola> hello.
[26-Oct-2006 16:41:29] <Nickola> I would like to talk to someone about zenoss versus nagios.
[26-Oct-2006 16:41:34] <Nickola> I am currently using nagios.
[26-Oct-2006 16:41:47] <Nickola> and someone sent me the zenoss url.
[26-Oct-2006 16:41:52] <Nickola> It looks good.
[26-Oct-2006 16:46:33] <Nickola> oops...be back later.
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[26-Oct-2006 19:02:41] <zarrelli> hi
[26-Oct-2006 19:02:51] <zarrelli> anyone around?
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[27-Oct-2006 00:26:16] <Familiarrock> is zenwin necessary for any monitoring stats on win box's?
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[27-Oct-2006 12:11:00] <jcaum> i have a question about zenwin
[27-Oct-2006 12:11:38] <jcaum> when i run the test for zeneventlog.py it appears to return errors
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[27-Oct-2006 13:44:11] <superjon> Zen has a thing called ZenRRD for stats, RRD averages stats overtime. Would it be possible to keep statistics (using ZenRRD) at 5 minute detail for thousands of hosts and not tank Zen?
[27-Oct-2006 13:46:10] <superjon> My company is looking at migrating from a larg-ish nagios installation to something else. ZenOSS looks like it fits most of the requirements. Is anyone available to comment?
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[27-Oct-2006 14:05:06] <creiht> superjon: It is my understanding that it is possible, and being done currently, though I personally do not have experience with that yet
[27-Oct-2006 14:05:31] <creiht> superjon: It would also probably depend on if by thousands you mean something like 2000 or 10000
[27-Oct-2006 14:05:44] <superjon> Well ~4000
[27-Oct-2006 14:06:01] <superjon> But will soon be growing to ~9000
[27-Oct-2006 14:06:40] <creiht> superjon: Weird side point... Are you in San Antonio?
[27-Oct-2006 14:06:52] <superjon> No, Los Angeles
[27-Oct-2006 14:07:01] <superjon> But our hosts are all over the world
[27-Oct-2006 14:07:28] <creiht> heh... When I go to tmcs.net it took me to sananonio.citysearch.com
[27-Oct-2006 14:07:54] <superjon> tmcs = ticketmaster / citysearch
[27-Oct-2006 14:08:00] <creiht> ahh cool
[27-Oct-2006 14:08:08] <superjon> We used to be very close with citysearch but not so much anymore
[27-Oct-2006 14:08:13] <superjon> this is ticketmaster only
[27-Oct-2006 14:08:21] <superjon> And we HQ in Los Angeles
[27-Oct-2006 14:08:30] <superjon> W Hollywood to be exact
[27-Oct-2006 14:09:13] <superjon> Nagios has this idea of "dependencies". If one check fails it stops and does ALL of the rest of the checks synchronously. This takes ages for our hosts and is an architectural flaw in nagios. Can Zen do things like this asynch?
[27-Oct-2006 14:09:34] <creiht> Anyways... I would send an email to Erik Dahl (edahl@zenoss.com) with a bit more specifics of what you are wanting to do and he should be able to give you and idea of what it will take
[27-Oct-2006 14:10:29] <creiht> superjon: I don't know enough of the internals to be able to answer that
[27-Oct-2006 14:10:51] <creiht> I do know that the polling code is based on twisted, so that would lead me to believe that it is asynch
[27-Oct-2006 14:10:57] <superjon> Ok, thanks
[27-Oct-2006 14:11:04] <superjon> Twisted is a great networking library
[27-Oct-2006 14:11:09] <creiht> agreed
[27-Oct-2006 14:11:09] <superjon> And using dojo in the gui is really nice
[27-Oct-2006 14:11:18] <superjon> (ajax)
[27-Oct-2006 14:11:25] <creiht> (I know)
[27-Oct-2006 14:11:26] <creiht>
[27-Oct-2006 14:11:54] <superjon> I was hoping some more ZenOss devs would be on this channel
[27-Oct-2006 14:12:31] <creiht> We were looking at monitoring about 5K nodes per zenoss install, and that seemed like it was going to be very doable
[27-Oct-2006 14:12:40] <creiht> unfortunatly that project seems to have stalled
[27-Oct-2006 14:12:46] <creiht> They used to be on here a lot
[27-Oct-2006 14:13:02] <creiht> But they have gotten very busy, so they are not on so much
[27-Oct-2006 14:13:18] <creiht> Your best bet is either a direct email, or an email to the mailing list
[27-Oct-2006 14:13:40] <creiht> I've always gotten quick responses from them
[27-Oct-2006 14:17:27] <superjon> Ok, thanks for the help
[27-Oct-2006 14:17:47] <superjon> Well do you have any pros / cons of zenoss you would care to share with me?
[27-Oct-2006 14:18:29] <creiht> Pros:
[27-Oct-2006 14:18:51] <creiht> (Note that I do not have nagios experience, but I'm coming from using OpenNMS)
[27-Oct-2006 14:18:54] <creiht> Easy to install
[27-Oct-2006 14:18:59] <creiht> Easy to manage
[27-Oct-2006 14:19:36] <creiht> I hear that it is more scalable than Nagios
[27-Oct-2006 14:20:10] <creiht> There seem to be a lot of little things that make it nice
[27-Oct-2006 14:20:27] <creiht> I really like the idea of having monitoring templates
[27-Oct-2006 14:20:43] <creiht> So for most things you don't have to go configure what you want to monitor for every box
[27-Oct-2006 14:21:25] <creiht> It monitors itself, so that it alerts you if there is anything going wrong with the various processes that run
[27-Oct-2006 14:21:35] <creiht> Cons:
[27-Oct-2006 14:21:47] <creiht> Isn't quite as scalable as OpenNMS is
[27-Oct-2006 14:22:29] <creiht> The service level monitoring isn't quite what I would like (though they are in the process of making it better)
[27-Oct-2006 14:22:50] <superjon> And can you compare it to opennms. We are also looking at that.
[27-Oct-2006 14:23:01] <superjon> Why is it "not as scalable as opennms"?
[27-Oct-2006 14:23:33] <creiht> I"m not completly sure as to why
[27-Oct-2006 14:23:59] <creiht> But I know OpenNMS can scale to somewhere in the vicinity of 50K devices being monitored
[27-Oct-2006 14:24:07] <creiht> On one machine
[27-Oct-2006 14:24:11] <superjon> And zenoss can't?
[27-Oct-2006 14:24:33] <creiht> Well part of the problem I think is that they don't know for sure
[27-Oct-2006 14:24:56] <creiht> As they don't have any customers that large yet
[27-Oct-2006 14:25:43] <creiht> The problems with opennms are
[27-Oct-2006 14:25:50] <creiht> It is a royal pain to get installed
[27-Oct-2006 14:25:56] <creiht> Configuration is a pain
[27-Oct-2006 14:26:03] <creiht> (All configuration is in XML files)
[27-Oct-2006 14:26:09] <creiht> well most of it is
[27-Oct-2006 14:26:23] <creiht> If you change configuration, you have to restart Opennms
[27-Oct-2006 14:26:33] <creiht> General management is a pain
[27-Oct-2006 14:26:44] <creiht> Once you have it configured and working, it works very well
[27-Oct-2006 14:26:47] <creiht> And is very stable
[27-Oct-2006 14:26:54] <creiht> OpenNMS is a very good tool
[27-Oct-2006 14:27:06] <creiht> It just depends on what you need
[27-Oct-2006 14:27:16] <creiht> I needed something that was going to be much easier to maintain
[27-Oct-2006 14:27:27] <creiht> And that's what brought me to Zenoss
[27-Oct-2006 14:28:06] <creiht> Like the zenoss guys, the devs for OpenNMS are also a great group of guys
[27-Oct-2006 14:28:35] <creiht> It might also be a good thing to note that I know OpenNMS has been working on some of their UI issues
[27-Oct-2006 14:28:54] <creiht> And I know that Zenoss will alwyas be working on performance
[27-Oct-2006 14:28:54] <creiht>
[27-Oct-2006 14:29:19] <creiht> But for my current needs Zenoss is in that sweet spot
[27-Oct-2006 14:30:46] <creiht> I'm currently using it to monitor a little less than 100 devices
[27-Oct-2006 14:30:58] <creiht> That include development servers, and production devices
[27-Oct-2006 14:31:01] <superjon> Well I forgot to think of the thousands of network devices
[27-Oct-2006 14:31:29] <superjon> The ~4000 devices are linux servers. Forgetting the SAN devices, switches, and cisco gear would raise that number up a bit
[27-Oct-2006 14:31:31] <creiht> We also currently use OpenNMS to monitor our network
[27-Oct-2006 14:32:15] <creiht> I was working on getting them to take a look at Zenoss, but it looks like the whole company is going with something else
[27-Oct-2006 14:33:02] <creiht> I know that for sure OpenNMS will handle monitoring that, though it is going to be a bit more of a pain to get going, and to maintain
[27-Oct-2006 14:33:23] <creiht> I'm willing to bet that Zenoss would be able to handle it, but would be much easier to set up and to use
[27-Oct-2006 14:33:28] <superjon> So that means it is out
[27-Oct-2006 14:33:34] <superjon> Do you think ZenOSS could?
[27-Oct-2006 14:34:03] <superjon> We have a several boxes for monitoring in each cluster
[27-Oct-2006 14:34:22] <creiht> cluster?
[27-Oct-2006 14:34:32] <creiht> So you wouldn't need one box to monitor it all?
[27-Oct-2006 14:34:34] <superjon> Dont worry about it
[27-Oct-2006 14:34:47] <superjon> That is a single point of failure, are you kidding?
[27-Oct-2006 14:34:49] <creiht> or are you monitoring clusters
[27-Oct-2006 14:34:54] <creiht> hehe
[27-Oct-2006 14:35:10] <superjon> Well our infrastructure is made up of many clusters of servers
[27-Oct-2006 14:35:27] <creiht> How many servers on average for each cluster?
[27-Oct-2006 14:35:30] <superjon> Each cluster has some dedicated monitoring boxen
[27-Oct-2006 14:35:32] <superjon> Depends
[27-Oct-2006 14:35:37] <superjon> 60-500
[27-Oct-2006 14:35:50] <creiht> Zenoss could definately handle that
[27-Oct-2006 14:36:09] <creiht> The thing that it currently doesn't have is a MOM type setup
[27-Oct-2006 14:36:16] <superjon> MOM?
[27-Oct-2006 14:36:32] <creiht> Where you have a single interface into all the different monitoring setups
[27-Oct-2006 14:36:36] <creiht> Monitor of Monitors
[27-Oct-2006 14:36:45] <superjon> Like prelude is to IDS
[27-Oct-2006 14:36:57] <superjon> So I can't have nagios agents report to ZenOSS
[27-Oct-2006 14:37:04] <creiht> yes you can
[27-Oct-2006 14:37:13] <superjon> That alone makes it worth looking into
[27-Oct-2006 14:37:14] <creiht> Zenoss has nagios agent support
[27-Oct-2006 14:37:47] <creiht> The easiest thing to do is to try out their VM image that already has it set up
[27-Oct-2006 14:37:57] <superjon> Yeah I just downloaded it
[27-Oct-2006 14:37:59] <superjon> Thanks
[27-Oct-2006 14:38:10] <creiht> cool
[27-Oct-2006 14:38:16] <superjon> vmware player is vmwares gift to all ISVs
[27-Oct-2006 14:38:25] <creiht> yes indeed
[27-Oct-2006 14:52:23] <b_52Centos> creiht, what do you think about zabbix VS Zenoss ?
[27-Oct-2006 14:53:41] <superjon> Zabbix is pretty, but it has a major problem, it is *too* flexible. To make its main dashboard display useful information for our organization, it would need to be heavily customized
[27-Oct-2006 14:54:43] <b_52Centos> hm ok
[27-Oct-2006 14:54:55] <b_52Centos> add that he is php based :d
[27-Oct-2006 14:56:01] <superjon> That isn't really an issue so long as it works well
[27-Oct-2006 14:56:10] <superjon> Zabbix is a very nice system, but it is just too flexible
[27-Oct-2006 14:57:52] <b_52Centos> ok ! in the other hand zenoss appear to be much complex for customization ( Zope /ZODB ...)
[27-Oct-2006 15:01:58] <superjon> I mean the interface
[27-Oct-2006 15:02:12] <superjon> Zenoss looks like it has reasonable defaults
[27-Oct-2006 15:02:15] <superjon> Zabbix doesn't
[27-Oct-2006 15:02:18] <superjon> For my company
[27-Oct-2006 15:02:54] <b_52Centos> hm ok
[27-Oct-2006 15:22:03] <creiht> I haven't tried zabbix yet
[27-Oct-2006 15:22:19] <creiht> It was on my list of things to try... but I just really fell in love with Zenoss
[27-Oct-2006 15:22:34] <creiht> Plus the fact that Zenoss is in Python is a big win for me
[27-Oct-2006 15:23:46] <b_52Centos> python is wonderfull , zope & Co take more time to learn
[27-Oct-2006 15:24:35] <b_52Centos> but
[27-Oct-2006 15:24:37] <superjon> Its just another language. Its all for while do
[27-Oct-2006 15:24:51] <superjon> with forced whitespace
[27-Oct-2006 15:24:52] <creiht> heh
[27-Oct-2006 15:24:56] <b_52Centos> heh , yeah
[27-Oct-2006 15:28:21] <b_52Centos> but the big issue i think is still the docs , i mean for installing it tooke me more than it should
[27-Oct-2006 15:29:22] <creiht> They just hired a docs person, so that should get better... How long did it take you b_52Centos ? I had it up and running in a few hours.
[27-Oct-2006 15:31:16] <superjon> creiht: do you know the team personally?
[27-Oct-2006 15:31:59] <b_52Centos> creiht, 4/5 days , i try it under freebsd (i bake my freebsd box .... ) then i switch to ubuntu , then things went better but after a long battle , and after it was a little bit hard to find my self ! , how to make run correctly , i leaft zenoss i try nagios (life is too short to pass in modifying conf files :d ..) and now i am back in zenoss
[27-Oct-2006 15:32:16] <b_52Centos> 5 hours Vs 5 DAYS :d
[27-Oct-2006 15:32:39] <creiht> superjon: Erik came down to do a presentation to our company, and I have talked with him a couple times...
[27-Oct-2006 15:33:13] <creiht> b_52Centos: Wow... that is quite a bit of time... what problems do you end up running into?
[27-Oct-2006 15:33:16] <superjon> creiht: So I guess it wouldn't be difficult to get ZenOSS to give us a product demonstration?
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[27-Oct-2006 15:33:42] <creiht> I've installed on both Ubuntu and Redhat with few problems
[27-Oct-2006 15:33:51] <creiht> superjon: Email him and ask
[27-Oct-2006 15:34:47] <superjon> Thanks a ton for the info
[27-Oct-2006 15:35:02] <creiht> superjon: I think it might also depend if you are looking at paying for support
[27-Oct-2006 15:35:07] <creiht> superjon: np
[27-Oct-2006 15:35:49] <superjon> Well last year, we sold $5billion worth of tickets. Paying for support is not a problem :-D
[27-Oct-2006 15:35:55] <b_52Centos> creiht, well , it was just install problem i don't remeber all of them but what i remeber that answers were hard to get and a forum will help a lot :d , the mailling list is quite a mass
[27-Oct-2006 15:35:59] <superjon> This year, we've already surpassed last year
[27-Oct-2006 15:36:23] <b_52Centos> superjon, can i ask where you work ? :d
[27-Oct-2006 15:37:08] <superjon> brb, lunch
[27-Oct-2006 15:37:37] <superjon> www.ticketmaster.com
[27-Oct-2006 15:37:37] <b_52Centos> ok
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[27-Oct-2006 15:48:00] <edahl> superjon: you still around?
[27-Oct-2006 15:50:01] <b_52Centos> edahl, hi , he will be right back i think ! (lunch ...) :d
[27-Oct-2006 15:50:13] <edahl> cool
[27-Oct-2006 15:55:49] <tristanbob> creiht: watching your conversation with superjon makes me want to try zenoss before zabbix
[27-Oct-2006 15:55:57] <tristanbob> I have had my eye on those two
[27-Oct-2006 15:56:15] <tristanbob> perhaps also the open source version of groundwork (nagios) - anyone tried that?
[27-Oct-2006 15:56:26] <b_52Centos> tristanbob, can yu point me to the conversation ?
[27-Oct-2006 15:57:57] <tristanbob> you shoudl see it in your IRC log - that is where I see it
[27-Oct-2006 15:59:20] <b_52Centos> err ok
[27-Oct-2006 16:02:27] <tristanbob> creiht: one advantage of zenoss is that it recently got some venture capital funding
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[27-Oct-2006 16:06:33] <oubiwann> tristanbob: nagios is Teh Suck
[27-Oct-2006 16:06:44] <oubiwann> tristanbob: you want Zenoss :-)
[27-Oct-2006 16:06:51] <b_52Centos> heh
[27-Oct-2006 16:06:56] <tristanbob> I am going to test the vmware image today
[27-Oct-2006 16:07:14] <oubiwann> tristanbob: nice
[27-Oct-2006 16:08:18] <tristanbob> oubiwann: how long you been using zen?
[27-Oct-2006 16:08:51] <oubiwann> since May -- but I'm a developer
[27-Oct-2006 16:09:07] <oubiwann> caveat emptor and all that ;-)
[27-Oct-2006 16:09:56] <oubiwann> but I've been using and writing monitoring tools since the late 90s
[27-Oct-2006 16:10:22] <oubiwann> used NetSaint and Nagios a great deal at a hosting company in 2002-2003
[27-Oct-2006 16:10:31] <oubiwann> it made me so crazy I wrote my own
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[27-Oct-2006 16:15:39] <creiht> edahl_: !!!!!!
[27-Oct-2006 16:16:48] <tristanbob> oubiwann: thanks for the info - and for your work on zenoss!
[27-Oct-2006 16:17:10] <tristanbob> oubiwann: I just started up the vmware image - now what? go to port 80 on that DHCP-acquired address?
[27-Oct-2006 16:17:21] <oubiwann> tristanbob: hey, man -- no prob! we've got a killer team... I wish every developer could be so lucky!
[27-Oct-2006 16:18:22] <tristanbob> it paused a LONG time on zenoss-install - now it is moving on
[27-Oct-2006 16:18:57] <oubiwann> tristanbob: yeah, you wouldn't believe all the work it's doing quietly during the install :-)
[27-Oct-2006 16:19:26] <tristanbob> looks like port 8080
[27-Oct-2006 16:19:35] <tristanbob> why not https?
[27-Oct-2006 16:19:50] <oubiwann> tristanbob: most folks don't need that
[27-Oct-2006 16:20:08] <oubiwann> tristanbob: zenoss tends to be run on internal, trusted networks
[27-Oct-2006 16:20:15] <oubiwann> but you can run it with https if you want
[27-Oct-2006 16:20:20] <oubiwann> there are instructions on the wiki
[27-Oct-2006 16:20:39] <tristanbob> oubiwann: I understand. Yes, I will probably add HTTPS on the final install
[27-Oct-2006 16:21:26] <tristanbob> perhaps you should list the default username and password on the vmware console prompt (don't tell me, I will look it up)
[27-Oct-2006 16:23:09] <edahl_> creiht: i'm here
[27-Oct-2006 16:23:10] <edahl_>
[27-Oct-2006 16:23:26] <creiht> hehe... It's good to see you guys around
[27-Oct-2006 16:23:40] <edahl_> busy busy busy
[27-Oct-2006 16:23:42] <edahl_>
[27-Oct-2006 16:26:56] <tristanbob> ok, I am in the web-admin for the first time - now I just add devices one-by-one?
[27-Oct-2006 16:28:00] <creiht> So I have a tiny request I just thought about this morning. It would be nice to have a comments field when you make changes. For example if I turn http monitoring off for a device it would be nice to have a comments field so that 4 months later when I see it not monitored, and I ask my self, "Why in the world did I do that" I would know
[27-Oct-2006 16:29:35] <edahl_> hum
[27-Oct-2006 16:29:38] <edahl_> I like the idea
[27-Oct-2006 16:30:24] <edahl_> like a log that is attached to each device? or device organizer (system location etc)
[27-Oct-2006 16:30:36] <creiht> Yeah that would be cool
[27-Oct-2006 16:30:47] <creiht> It would be even more helpful when there are many hands in the pot
[27-Oct-2006 16:30:58] <edahl_> sure
[27-Oct-2006 16:31:04] <creiht> So if my coworker had made a change, hopefully he had left a comment as to why
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[27-Oct-2006 16:33:48] <creiht> edahl_: Any word on to how much longer before the improved service monitoring?
[27-Oct-2006 16:34:09] <edahl_> like URL testing?
[27-Oct-2006 16:34:24] <creiht> yes
[27-Oct-2006 16:36:54] <edahl_> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/476
[27-Oct-2006 16:36:54] <adytum-bot> Title: #476 (add threaded forums that are attached to devices or device organizer.) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[27-Oct-2006 16:37:00] <edahl_> ticket for log tracking
[27-Oct-2006 16:37:06] <creiht> cool
[27-Oct-2006 16:37:32] <edahl_> once we get 1.0 out we will redouble our service testing stuff
[27-Oct-2006 16:37:43] <creiht> cool
[27-Oct-2006 16:37:51] <edahl_> we are working on a way to do transactional testing of web apps
[27-Oct-2006 16:38:02] <creiht> very cool
[27-Oct-2006 16:38:08] <edahl_> ie login, goto a page fill out form etc
[27-Oct-2006 16:38:17] <creiht> right... like SiteScope
[27-Oct-2006 16:38:45] <edahl_> basically we want to replicate all sitescope features
[27-Oct-2006 16:38:53] <edahl_> in the long run'
[27-Oct-2006 16:39:20] <creiht> cool... But none of the Sitescope mess
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[27-Oct-2006 17:01:42] <superjon> edahl: ping
[27-Oct-2006 17:01:46] <edahl> yep
[27-Oct-2006 17:01:50] <superjon> You work for ZenOSS, right?
[27-Oct-2006 17:01:53] <edahl> yep
[27-Oct-2006 17:01:59] <edahl> co-founder
[27-Oct-2006 17:02:00] <edahl>
[27-Oct-2006 17:02:01] <superjon> Excellent, mind if I ask you a few questions?
[27-Oct-2006 17:02:07] <edahl> sure thing
[27-Oct-2006 17:02:38] <superjon> My company specced out a monitoring solution that would work for all of our sysadmin groups a year ago (to build inhouse) and your architecture diagram looks basicly identical
[27-Oct-2006 17:03:03] <superjon> We are frustrated with some of nagios's design flaws and are looking at what else is available
[27-Oct-2006 17:03:25] <superjon> For a lot of devices. Somewhere between 4k - 9k
[27-Oct-2006 17:03:45] <superjon> How scalable is zenoss?
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:04] <edahl> well the parts can be distributed across many boxe
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:05] <edahl> s
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:22] <edahl> the highest load is the performance collector
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:25] <superjon> We have dedicated monitoring boxen for each one of our clusters
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:26] <edahl> typically
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:40] <edahl> how many boxes per customer
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:54] <edahl> cluster
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:56] <edahl>
[27-Oct-2006 17:05:02] <superjon> That totally depends on the location
[27-Oct-2006 17:05:12] <superjon> Its worldwide
[27-Oct-2006 17:05:29] <edahl> 100 500? 1000?
[27-Oct-2006 17:05:42] <superjon> 30-400
[27-Oct-2006 17:05:50] <edahl> should be no problem
[27-Oct-2006 17:05:53] <superjon> It depends on their function
[27-Oct-2006 17:06:46] <superjon> A requirement is something rrdlike that does 5 minute statistics for every node monitored for 3+ years
[27-Oct-2006 17:06:58] <superjon> And RRD likes to round numbers overtime so thats no good
[27-Oct-2006 17:07:53] <superjon> Here is a major flaw with nagios... It has an idea of service dependencies when it does checks. If one fails, it starts doing every single following check synchronously in a row
[27-Oct-2006 17:07:59] <superjon> This takes ages for our thousands of boxen
[27-Oct-2006 17:08:35] <edahl> you can setup rrd to store as much as you like :
[27-Oct-2006 17:08:37] <edahl>
[27-Oct-2006 17:08:44] <edahl> just a question of disk space
[27-Oct-2006 17:08:57] <superjon> Stored on a san, thats no problem
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:00] <edahl> are checks are all async
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:21] <edahl> if ping fails we stop polling higher level tests
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:25] <superjon> So ZenOSS doesn't have that problem
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:31] <superjon> define ping
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:35] <edahl> if snmp fails we stop performance collection etc
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:39] <edahl> ping == ICMP
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:43] <superjon> What if you are monitoring hosts that the OS doesn't have a full tcpip stack
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:47] <superjon> And you need a custom ping
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:54] <superjon> Or maybe a tcp ping to go through a firewall
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:58] <edahl> hum example?
[27-Oct-2006 17:10:07] <edahl> goit
[27-Oct-2006 17:10:32] <superjon> Well we have specific (proprietary) devices that don't have tcp/ip stacks and only speak udp natively
[27-Oct-2006 17:10:41] <edahl> we can monitor a remote unix box using SSH
[27-Oct-2006 17:10:44] <superjon> They have special "ping" commands used to test if they are alive or not
[27-Oct-2006 17:11:08] <superjon> Could Zen treat a tcpping as a "ping"?
[27-Oct-2006 17:11:08] <edahl> you can setup a zencommand to do custom monitoring
[27-Oct-2006 17:11:25] <edahl> so you can run your special ping program
[27-Oct-2006 17:11:43] <superjon> How hard would it be to set up to work with an already existing nagios infrastructure?
[27-Oct-2006 17:11:45] <edahl> zencommand can use nagios or cacti plugin format
[27-Oct-2006 17:12:22] <edahl> install zencomand on nagios box and then add nagios config to zenoss db
[27-Oct-2006 17:12:33] <superjon> What do you mean by cacti plugin format?
[27-Oct-2006 17:12:33] <edahl> the plugins can be reused
[27-Oct-2006 17:12:44] <edahl> its an OSS performance collector
[27-Oct-2006 17:13:43] <superjon> Could you send me some information for "the suits"?
[27-Oct-2006 17:16:42] <superjon> Some of the guys look very interested in evaluating ZenOSS
[27-Oct-2006 17:17:02] <edahl> do you want to setup a call with them?
[27-Oct-2006 17:17:09] <edahl> its a good way to get started
[27-Oct-2006 17:18:52] <superjon> Our Director, (the guy you will liklely speak with), is on a cruise this week and next
[27-Oct-2006 17:19:04] <edahl> nice!
[27-Oct-2006 17:19:50] <edahl> drop me or steve (our sales guy) an email and we can set it up when he gets back
[27-Oct-2006 17:20:06] <superjon> Do you have any case study whitepapers or whatnot?
[27-Oct-2006 17:20:13] <superjon> That you could shoot my way?
[27-Oct-2006 17:20:28] <edahl> best today is the web site
[27-Oct-2006 17:20:33] <superjon> jeffrey.schroeder@ticketmaster.com
[27-Oct-2006 17:20:43] <edahl> I have product deck but I like to talk against it
[27-Oct-2006 17:20:57] <superjon> Meaning face to face?
[27-Oct-2006 17:21:04] <edahl> phone
[27-Oct-2006 17:21:07] <edahl> or webex
[27-Oct-2006 17:21:41] <superjon> webex is activex and most of our management were 'nix admins. That won'
[27-Oct-2006 17:21:43] <superjon> t work
[27-Oct-2006 17:21:52] <superjon> Activex doesn't work under linux
[27-Oct-2006 17:21:57] <edahl> java use it on my mac all the time
[27-Oct-2006 17:22:03] <edahl>
[27-Oct-2006 17:22:11] <edahl> think it will work on linux too
[27-Oct-2006 17:22:33] <superjon> Ok, well so I can talk to some of the guys, could you do me a favor?
[27-Oct-2006 17:22:51] <edahl> yep
[27-Oct-2006 17:22:55] <superjon> I'll send you and email and could you reply with ZenOSS vs nagios and ZenOSS vs OpenNMS
[27-Oct-2006 17:23:06] <superjon> Pro/con
[27-Oct-2006 17:23:08] <edahl> sounds good
[27-Oct-2006 17:23:17] <superjon> great, what is your email address?
[27-Oct-2006 17:23:24] <edahl> early next week
[27-Oct-2006 17:23:31] <edahl> sending you email address now...
[27-Oct-2006 17:23:43] <superjon> Thats understandable
[27-Oct-2006 17:24:45] <edahl> on its way
[27-Oct-2006 17:24:50] <superjon> ok
[27-Oct-2006 17:25:19] <superjon> rcvx. Thanks
[27-Oct-2006 17:26:00] <superjon> How big is the company? creiht mentioned you just hired a new guy for docs
[27-Oct-2006 17:26:08] <superjon> Just curious
[27-Oct-2006 17:27:02] <edahl> up to 16
[27-Oct-2006 17:27:03] <edahl> now
[27-Oct-2006 17:27:17] <creiht> Wow you guys have been busy
[27-Oct-2006 17:27:56] <edahl> yep
[27-Oct-2006 17:28:41] <superjon> How many developers?
[27-Oct-2006 17:28:42] <creiht> edahl: Are you guys going to have representation at Pycon?
[27-Oct-2006 17:29:50] <edahl> we are submitting to pycon
[27-Oct-2006 17:29:59] <creiht> cool
[27-Oct-2006 17:30:38] <edahl> we are also a platinum sponser
[27-Oct-2006 17:30:47] <creiht> That's awesome
[27-Oct-2006 17:31:05] <creiht> I should be there
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[27-Oct-2006 17:31:09] <edahl> cool
[27-Oct-2006 17:31:22] <superjon> Can zenoss run on mysql4, the rhel4 default?
[27-Oct-2006 17:31:46] <edahl> superjon: we are 100s of developers including all the sub projects we use
[27-Oct-2006 17:31:55] <superjon> Good answer
[27-Oct-2006 17:32:09] <edahl> mysql5 rhel4 rpm
[27-Oct-2006 17:32:18] <superjon> There are problems with that
[27-Oct-2006 17:32:25] <superjon> We have existing stuff that uses mysql4
[27-Oct-2006 17:32:50] <edahl> we use the trigger feature that is in 5
[27-Oct-2006 17:32:52] <superjon> And python 2.3.4
[27-Oct-2006 17:32:57] <superjon> So it won
[27-Oct-2006 17:32:59] <edahl> that's fine
[27-Oct-2006 17:33:04] <superjon> 't run in rhel4
[27-Oct-2006 17:33:06] <edahl> python that is
[27-Oct-2006 17:33:31] <edahl> rhel 4 is fine
[27-Oct-2006 17:33:46] <superjon> with mysql5
[27-Oct-2006 17:33:49] <edahl> we just announeced that we are redhat certified this week
[27-Oct-2006 17:33:52] <edahl> yep
[27-Oct-2006 17:34:04] <edahl> there is an rpm for mysql5
[27-Oct-2006 17:34:23] <superjon> That overwrites mysql4 and breaks existing stuff on our dev monitoring boxes
[27-Oct-2006 17:35:03] <edahl> isn't it backwards compatible?
[27-Oct-2006 17:35:08] <superjon> I'll just create a new vm in vmware esx server
[27-Oct-2006 17:35:13] <superjon> It won't matter then
[27-Oct-2006 17:37:18] <edahl> that works
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[27-Oct-2006 17:46:48] <superjon> What is the default login info?
[27-Oct-2006 17:50:33] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/FAQ#Whatisthedefaultloginfortheimage
[27-Oct-2006 17:50:33] <adytum-bot> Title: FAQ - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[27-Oct-2006 17:52:50] <superjon> I'm not using the vmware image
[27-Oct-2006 17:52:53] <superjon> I'm using the rpm
[27-Oct-2006 17:53:02] <superjon> And zenoss zenoss doesn't work
[27-Oct-2006 17:53:24] <creiht> I haven't installed from rpm
[27-Oct-2006 17:53:32] <creiht> Usuall the install asks you what you want to use
[27-Oct-2006 17:53:41] <creiht> Not sure what the rpm does
[27-Oct-2006 17:53:48] <lslatr> maybe admin zenoss?
[27-Oct-2006 17:54:09] <superjon> The rpm creates a user. I just need to set that password
[27-Oct-2006 17:56:12] <creiht> Have you tried a blank password?
[27-Oct-2006 17:56:37] <lslatr> maybe just set it as root?
[27-Oct-2006 17:57:21] <creiht> Are you talking about the system user, or the user to log into the web gui?
[27-Oct-2006 17:58:34] <superjon> Well the rpm creates a user
[27-Oct-2006 17:58:48] <superjon> I figured it out, dont worry about it
[27-Oct-2006 17:58:59] <superjon> Next question, how can I get it to autodiscover non snmp devices?
[27-Oct-2006 17:59:16] <superjon> Like zendisc all things running on port 80
[27-Oct-2006 17:59:26] <superjon> In x.x.x.x/24
[27-Oct-2006 18:00:11] <creiht> I know portscan is available as a discovery protocol, but I'm not sure how you limit to just one port
[27-Oct-2006 18:00:21] <superjon> Well how can you have it do portscans?
[27-Oct-2006 18:02:27] <creiht> Actually I'm not sure from the command line
[27-Oct-2006 18:02:41] <creiht> I do all my adds through the interface which gives you a discovery drop down
[27-Oct-2006 18:04:29] <creiht> I would guess otu se the --collect switch of zendisc, but not sure what to set it to... poking a little more...
[27-Oct-2006 18:05:49] <kiddle> hi eric. looking forward to the webex demo next week
[27-Oct-2006 18:08:13] <superjon> Well now there are a bunch of defunct mysql 4 processes
[27-Oct-2006 18:09:38] <creiht> superjon: I bet you do something like:
[27-Oct-2006 18:11:16] <creiht> $zenhome/bin/zendisc --collect=zenoss.portscan.IpServiceMap -net=x.x.x.x/24
[27-Oct-2006 18:12:08] <creiht> That will check for all services
[27-Oct-2006 18:12:19] <creiht> I think
[27-Oct-2006 18:17:54] <superjon> ok thanks
[27-Oct-2006 18:21:17] <superjon> What does, "Lost connection to ZenOSS database mean"?
[27-Oct-2006 18:23:53] <creiht> Did you check to see if MySQL is running?
[27-Oct-2006 18:24:06] <oubiwann> superjon: you're at the events page, right?
[27-Oct-2006 18:24:47] <oubiwann> events data is obtained via XHR
[27-Oct-2006 18:25:19] <oubiwann> if the JSON data (obtained from MySQL) is not available, that error will be printed
[27-Oct-2006 18:25:55] <superjon> Yeah, I installed the rpm and it is evil
[27-Oct-2006 18:26:13] <superjon> It doesn't seem to have access to the database schema it created
[27-Oct-2006 18:27:54] <oubiwann> sadly, I'm not the RPM dude... but! if you submit a ticket her, they will jump on it first thing tomorrow: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/newticket
[27-Oct-2006 18:27:54] <adytum-bot> Title: New Ticket - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[27-Oct-2006 18:28:15] <oubiwann> be sure to add your email to the CC field if you want to get status updates and notification of fixes
[27-Oct-2006 18:28:42] <oubiwann> Chris has been doing an awesome job with turn around on RPM bugs and feature requests
[27-Oct-2006 18:28:52] <superjon> ok
[27-Oct-2006 18:29:02] <oubiwann> oh, crap -- tomorrow's Saturday...
[27-Oct-2006 18:29:12] <oubiwann> so, he might not see it until Mon
[27-Oct-2006 18:30:23] <creiht> superjon: You might check the logs in $ZENHOME/log to see if any of those files reveal any error messages that might lead us to what is happening
[27-Oct-2006 18:30:38] <superjon> Nah, the problem was that mysql wasn't listening on localhost
[27-Oct-2006 18:30:44] <superjon> It was listening on a local socket
[27-Oct-2006 18:30:48] <superjon> zenoss should use that
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[27-Oct-2006 18:33:05] <superjon> creiht: zendisc --collect doesn't work
[27-Oct-2006 18:33:22] <creiht> hmmm what does it return
[27-Oct-2006 18:33:30] <superjon> /opt/zenoss/bin/zendiscc --collect
[27-Oct-2006 18:33:30] <superjon> Usage: ./zendisc {run|start|stop|restart|status|help}
[27-Oct-2006 18:33:43] <creiht> oh
[27-Oct-2006 18:33:48] <creiht> append run to the end of all that
[27-Oct-2006 18:33:50] <creiht> sorry
[27-Oct-2006 18:33:59] <creiht> run will run it once
[27-Oct-2006 18:34:18] <creiht> start will start it as a daemon re-discovering periodically
[27-Oct-2006 18:36:31] <superjon> ./zendisc --collect=zenoss.portscan.IpServiceMap -net=192.168.70.0/24 run
[27-Oct-2006 18:36:31] <superjon> Usage: ./zendisc {run|start|stop|restart|status|help}
[27-Oct-2006 18:36:48] <creiht> Try the run before the arguments then
[27-Oct-2006 18:36:56] <creiht> Sorry I don't use the command line tools very often
[27-Oct-2006 18:39:09] <superjon> ok now it is working
[27-Oct-2006 18:39:17] <superjon> When does the dashboard update?
[27-Oct-2006 18:39:45] <creiht> I think the dashboard reloads every 5 minutes or so
[27-Oct-2006 18:39:51] <creiht> You can click on devices on the left
[27-Oct-2006 18:39:58] <creiht> and then discovered
[27-Oct-2006 18:40:08] <creiht> And that is where new devices should show up
[27-Oct-2006 18:40:18] <creiht> Is it doing the portscanning that way as well?
[27-Oct-2006 18:43:43] <superjon> Well I did zendisc run
[27-Oct-2006 18:43:54] <superjon> It found 116 nodes on the class c net I have it
[27-Oct-2006 18:44:00] <superjon> And it is doing snmp on all of them
[27-Oct-2006 18:44:14] <superjon> Most of them are linux servers with some cisco and san gear throughout
[27-Oct-2006 18:44:24] <superjon> After that is done, I'll try to have it do a portscan
[27-Oct-2006 18:44:28] <creiht> cool
[27-Oct-2006 18:46:07] <tristanbob> do you recommend using SNMP on servers, or installing an agent?
[27-Oct-2006 18:47:56] <superjon> Question. I manually add in a cisco switch and put in it's snmp string. everything works. How can I get it to now graph the interface stats like cacti does?
[27-Oct-2006 18:48:02] <tristanbob> also - how do I start an autodiscovery on my entire network, searching for Cisco routers and switches?
[27-Oct-2006 18:48:30] <superjon> bin/zendisc run
[27-Oct-2006 18:50:17] <tristanbob> ok - how do I provide my SNMP password?
[27-Oct-2006 18:51:19] <tristanbob> superjon: and where is bin?
[27-Oct-2006 18:51:45] <superjon> well I installed the rpm and it is under /opt/zenoss
[27-Oct-2006 18:51:53] <superjon> cd to /opt/zenoss/bin
[27-Oct-2006 18:52:08] <tristanbob> hmm -I am using vmware image
[27-Oct-2006 18:52:12] <tristanbob> not in opt
[27-Oct-2006 18:52:46] <superjon> is the vmware image rpm based?
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:06] <tristanbob> /home/zenoss/
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:06] <superjon> if it is, do rpm -ql zenoss | grep bin
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:15] <superjon> well there you go
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:17] <tristanbob> it is running r-path linux
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:22] <tristanbob> find / | grep zenoss
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:24] <superjon> oh yuck
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:24] <tristanbob>
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:27] <superjon> damn conary
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:47] <tristanbob> superjon: so how do I provide my SNMP password?
[27-Oct-2006 18:54:08] <superjon> Well I manually added a device
[27-Oct-2006 18:55:44] <tristanbob> hmm - I am sure there is an easy answer to where I input my SNMP community
[27-Oct-2006 18:56:44] <tristanbob> /home/zenoss/etc/zendisc.conf is empty
[27-Oct-2006 19:02:21] <superjon> the portscan autodiscover was worthless
[27-Oct-2006 19:02:33] <superjon> It pinged the subnet, found 116 active ips, and then quit
[27-Oct-2006 19:02:44] <superjon> Adding nothing to the device list
[27-Oct-2006 19:04:34] <oubiwann> superjon: their big focus for the past couple years has been SNMP
[27-Oct-2006 19:04:53] <superjon> Well not all linux servers need to run snmp...
[27-Oct-2006 19:04:58] <oubiwann> and using that to scan, get devices, etc.
[27-Oct-2006 19:05:03] <oubiwann> yeah, I hear ya ;-)
[27-Oct-2006 19:05:28] <oubiwann> when I first started working with them, I had the same issues -- as I avoid SNMP like the plague
[27-Oct-2006 19:05:51] <oubiwann> they had me write a portscanner as a first step in greater support of non-SNMP boxes
[27-Oct-2006 19:06:04] <oubiwann> all it is is a service collector
[27-Oct-2006 19:06:15] <oubiwann> next on the list is adding devices from this
[27-Oct-2006 19:06:48] <superjon> So there is *no* way to do a portscan of all hosts returning in a pingscan and add those to the list?
[27-Oct-2006 19:06:54] <superjon> You've got to be kidding me, right?
[27-Oct-2006 19:07:28] <oubiwann> we had planned on doing this earlier, but there are a great number of subtle complications that crop up when doing this for the general case
[27-Oct-2006 19:07:37] <oubiwann> but you can do it programmatically
[27-Oct-2006 19:08:04] <oubiwann> in fact, I could probably help you do that right now, if you're interested
[27-Oct-2006 19:08:23] <superjon> Well that is what I'm trying to do right now
[27-Oct-2006 19:08:32] <superjon> Because my linux servers don't and shouldn't all run snmpd
[27-Oct-2006 19:08:47] <oubiwann> my personal view as well :-)
[27-Oct-2006 19:08:49] <oubiwann> how's your python?
[27-Oct-2006 19:08:53] <superjon> not
[27-Oct-2006 19:09:02] <superjon> And how can I specify the community string for devices it finds?
[27-Oct-2006 19:09:11] <oubiwann> no biggie -- we can work together on the python stuff
[27-Oct-2006 19:09:24] <superjon> Perl / bourne shell all the way
[27-Oct-2006 19:09:28] <superjon> python is new
[27-Oct-2006 19:09:51] <oubiwann> erm, I'm not the snmp guy :-( don't know about that. There's some snmp stuff on the FAQ that might provide clueful, though
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:05] <oubiwann> how big is your network?
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:18] <oubiwann> for what you're trying to add right now, anyway
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:24] <superjon> Well I am testing this on a dev class C
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:29] <superjon> But our whole network is massive
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:36] <superjon> global
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:46] <oubiwann> right, lets just focus on the dev class C ;-)
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:52] <superjon> yes, lets
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:54] <oubiwann> heh
[27-Oct-2006 19:11:10] <superjon> --collect=COLLECTPLUGINS
[27-Oct-2006 19:11:10] <superjon> Comma separated list of collection maps to use
[27-Oct-2006 19:11:32] <superjon> Trying to put the portscan plugin completely died
[27-Oct-2006 19:14:23] <oubiwann> are your linux hosts behind a router, from the perspective of your zenoss install?
[27-Oct-2006 19:14:36] <oubiwann> or same net?
[27-Oct-2006 19:15:08] <superjon> same
[27-Oct-2006 19:15:16] <oubiwann> cool, so ICMP won't be a problem
[27-Oct-2006 19:15:28] <creiht> tristanbob: If you open up the web UI, and click on the Devices view and the the zProperties tab
[27-Oct-2006 19:15:51] <creiht> You can add your communities to the zSnmpCommunities field
[27-Oct-2006 19:16:16] <creiht> It should try all of the communities there before giving up
[27-Oct-2006 19:16:28] <creiht> I'm out... Ya'll have a good weekend
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[27-Oct-2006 19:18:01] <superjon> Somewhere, I added zenoss.portscan.IpServiceMap under the zProperties tab where it says zCollectors or something like that
[27-Oct-2006 19:18:09] <superjon> Now I ran zendisc run and it seems to be working
[27-Oct-2006 19:18:14] <superjon> scanning and finding servers with ssh
[27-Oct-2006 19:20:06] <superjon> It is under Devices --> Properties --> zCollectorCollectPlugins and I added zenoss.portscan.IpServiceMap. That seems to work perfectly
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[27-Oct-2006 19:23:59] <oubiwann> it's getting devices and everything?!
[27-Oct-2006 19:29:10] <superjon> Yeah, but they are all running snmp
[27-Oct-2006 19:29:22] <superjon> Some of our linux servers run snmp, mabye about 2 dozen
[27-Oct-2006 19:29:34] <superjon> How can I say, monitor service foo on port foo with a tcp connect()
[27-Oct-2006 19:35:17] <superjon> After adding a monitor for ssh on a box that has ssh, it says, "None" under status. Why is that?
[27-Oct-2006 19:48:45] <oubiwann> hey, man -- sorry been away
[27-Oct-2006 19:48:50] <oubiwann> (Reading back...)
[27-Oct-2006 19:49:20] <oubiwann> I'm gonna have to disappoint -- I really don't know the UI at all :-( all my time is spend deep in the internals
[27-Oct-2006 19:50:10] <oubiwann> it's too bad creiht's not still around; he's spent lots of time in the UI
[27-Oct-2006 19:52:54] <superjon> Well it just seems like it's impossible to get a simple ssh monitor working
[27-Oct-2006 19:52:56] <superjon>
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[27-Oct-2006 19:54:02] <oubiwann> it's not... I've actually done that
[27-Oct-2006 19:54:31] <oubiwann> I put something in the FAQ about router tables (when you don't have ssh)
[27-Oct-2006 19:54:34] <oubiwann> (getting link)
[27-Oct-2006 19:55:12] <oubiwann> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/FAQ#HowdoIensurethatdevicesgetroutes
[27-Oct-2006 19:55:12] <adytum-bot> Title: FAQ - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[27-Oct-2006 19:55:22] <oubiwann> doing that requires working ssh monitoring
[27-Oct-2006 19:55:33] <oubiwann> uh, that was badly said...
[27-Oct-2006 19:55:50] <oubiwann> what I mean is that the steps provided there are the same steps (fulfill the same requirements) for ssh monitoring
[27-Oct-2006 19:57:45] <oubiwann> hey man, I gotta bail. I'll be on this weekend, though
[27-Oct-2006 19:58:47] <oubiwann> hang in there ;-) The UI is *really* complicated (due to all the features it provides); everyone who's stuck with it through the initial learning curve has been delighted with the power, flexibility, and scalability
[27-Oct-2006 19:59:05] <oubiwann> there are also some forth-coming screencasts
[27-Oct-2006 19:59:18] <oubiwann> which I personally look forward to greatly
[27-Oct-2006 19:59:19] <oubiwann> I
[27-Oct-2006 19:59:28] <oubiwann> I'm UI-disabled ;-)
[27-Oct-2006 19:59:43] <superjon> ha
[27-Oct-2006 19:59:45] <superjon> Ok, thanks
[27-Oct-2006 20:00:29] <oubiwann> you bet -- sorry I couldn't be more help; on Monday, be sure to catch edahl -- he's the author and GUI master; he'll totally get you hooked up
[27-Oct-2006 20:00:44] <oubiwann> catchya later
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[28-Oct-2006 00:25:23] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Daily Python-URL! (from the Secret Labs) - [online.effbot.org: Fredrik Lundh] understanding the "with" statement
[28-Oct-2006 00:25:24] -adytum-bot- http://www.pythonware.com/daily/index.htm#116195639255568700
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[28-Oct-2006 04:05:01] <coML> hi
[28-Oct-2006 04:05:47] <coML> halli everyone
[28-Oct-2006 04:05:52] <sheraz> hi
[28-Oct-2006 04:06:50] <coML> can you help me ?
[28-Oct-2006 04:06:59] <coML> i want ask you something about zenoss
[28-Oct-2006 04:07:39] <coML> there`s anyone know about zenoss
[28-Oct-2006 04:07:58] <sheraz> Sure if i can
[28-Oct-2006 04:08:56] <coML> thx ... what developement methodology
[28-Oct-2006 04:09:01] <coML> for zenoss
[28-Oct-2006 04:09:28] <sheraz> oh...Pal sorry i m not a development guy
[28-Oct-2006 04:09:43] <sheraz> I think u better ask chris
[28-Oct-2006 04:09:50] <coML> owh thx
[28-Oct-2006 04:11:12] <coML> sheraz ... are you using zenoss ?
[28-Oct-2006 04:11:30] <sheraz> yea.....for a consiiderable time.......
[28-Oct-2006 04:11:46] <sheraz> multiple time installed differnt versions :-)
[28-Oct-2006 04:12:00] <coML> i see .. i`m using too for monitoring in government project
[28-Oct-2006 04:12:18] <coML> so i wanna know more for zenoss
[28-Oct-2006 04:12:45] <coML> i`m newbie for zenoss
[28-Oct-2006 04:13:22] <sheraz> i will help u as much i can ....i think... btw i m too in a gov project :-)
[28-Oct-2006 04:14:00] <coML> owh .. same as me
[28-Oct-2006 04:14:40] <coML> do you know about zenoss diagram (DFD)
[28-Oct-2006 04:14:58] <sheraz> DFD????
[28-Oct-2006 04:15:00] <coML> architecture i can see in intrenet
[28-Oct-2006 04:15:08] <coML> but database for zenos
[28-Oct-2006 04:15:15] <coML> how`s that
[28-Oct-2006 04:15:27] <sheraz> as much as i ev understood
[28-Oct-2006 04:15:43] <sheraz> it keeps live events in Mysql memory table
[28-Oct-2006 04:16:13] <sheraz> which could then be moved to history table
[28-Oct-2006 04:16:31] <sheraz> therez a table called events
[28-Oct-2006 04:16:59] <coML> owh
[28-Oct-2006 04:17:02] <sheraz> it stores the events (as name sugessests)
[28-Oct-2006 04:20:02] <sheraz> zope data base which i havent understood ... stoes the modeling info
[28-Oct-2006 04:20:14] <sheraz> i mean device models...
[28-Oct-2006 04:20:25] <sheraz> bt i m not sure about it
[28-Oct-2006 04:20:36] <coML> i`m reading about zope ...
[28-Oct-2006 04:23:27] <sheraz> brb
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[28-Oct-2006 07:12:58] <sheraz> hey... anyone there??
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[29-Oct-2006 18:18:04] <KillMeNow> anyone actually at their keyboards?
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[30-Oct-2006 00:41:57] <sheraz> hi
[30-Oct-2006 00:42:38] <sheraz> anyone knows how to customize the RRD graphs or where could i find the commands to congiure the RRD graps template
[30-Oct-2006 00:51:56] <lunix-aus> hi from what I have worked out this chan doesnt come alive till later on
[30-Oct-2006 00:52:00] <lunix-aus> something about timezones
[30-Oct-2006 00:53:40] <sheraz> ??
[30-Oct-2006 01:01:52] <lunix-aus> well it is not daytime for most people in this chanel.
[30-Oct-2006 01:02:00] <lunix-aus> i am only guessing
[30-Oct-2006 01:02:22] <lunix-aus> I am in australia. and whenever there is activity in this chanel it is when I am in bed
[30-Oct-2006 01:18:03] <sheraz> hehehe
[30-Oct-2006 01:18:39] <sheraz> hey ... there sure is day time here in this part of the world
[30-Oct-2006 01:18:48] <sheraz> i mean central asia
[30-Oct-2006 01:18:52] <sheraz> ;-)
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[30-Oct-2006 10:49:29] <tristanbob> hmmm - I am using the vmware image - trying to discover my cisco devices on a network
[30-Oct-2006 10:50:02] <tristanbob> I have added the SNMP string in devices -> zproperties -> zSnmpCommunities
[30-Oct-2006 10:51:55] <tristanbob> then I run "zendisc run"
[30-Oct-2006 10:52:36] <tristanbob> I get and "error: (-2, 'Name or services not known') and it stops
[30-Oct-2006 10:53:14] <tristanbob> it also complains about the domain name oz.mydomain.com is not valid (it's not, not sure where oz came from)
[30-Oct-2006 10:53:38] <tristanbob> anyone know what I am doing wrong?
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[30-Oct-2006 11:06:57] <lslatr> try adding --net YOURNET maybe
[30-Oct-2006 11:07:15] <lslatr> hum no that doesn't sound like it
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[31-Oct-2006 20:38:21] <A08> Hi, just fiddling around with my rather fresh zenoss installation and realize that my servers show up with a used disk capacity of "unknown"...
[31-Oct-2006 20:38:26] <A08> ...what do I do wrong?
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[31-Oct-2006 20:38:46] <A08> I'm using SNMP btw
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[31-Oct-2006 23:27:32] -__adytum-bot__- New Blog/News Feed: Daily Python-URL! (from the Secret Labs) - [InfoWorld: Jon Udell] Scaling the Tufte effect
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[01-Oct-2006 00:00:57] <quux> I tell iptables to accept udp 161 and 161 ..
[01-Oct-2006 00:06:43] <quux> err, 161 and 162
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[01-Oct-2006 00:18:41] <quux> nevermind. duh, snmpd is not configured as a startup service
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[01-Oct-2006 14:19:47] <neolinux> hi
[01-Oct-2006 14:19:56] <neolinux> anyone can help me?
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[01-Oct-2006 23:56:29] <duffyd> hello all, it appears that when you rename a device or delete it from zenoss, the events remain and appear to be orphaned as you can no longer access the device
[01-Oct-2006 23:56:35] <duffyd> how would I remove these events?
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[02-Oct-2006 02:12:05] <Deciph> anyone else here using the vmware build and notice many of the processing crashing after a little while? All the servers I've put it on have this problem and I've heard from a few other people that also experience this.
[02-Oct-2006 04:34:30] <skopii> Deciph: I had this problem when I would move servers around and rename them
[02-Oct-2006 04:35:06] <skopii> after I figured out why it waas happening I used zendisc and added the servers to the correct path, and take frequent backups
[02-Oct-2006 04:35:12] <skopii> I no longer experiance the problem
[02-Oct-2006 04:45:50] <Deciph> hmm.. i haven't moved them at all.. just a fresh startup, added a few devices to monitor and it starts dieing after an hour or two
[02-Oct-2006 06:52:39] <quux> I'm getting many 'oid .1.x.x.x.x is bad' errors. Are there a few recommended mibs I should e importing?
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[02-Oct-2006 11:56:17] <Cyberai> I'm trying to get zenoss up and running on Ubuntu and I have followed the instructions at http://www.howtoforge.com/zenoss_network_monitor_ubuntu. I followed the instructions to the letter and everything went pretty much textbook. Yet when I go to http://localhost:8080/zport/dmd, I get nothing. Can anyone help?
[02-Oct-2006 11:57:57] <creiht> Cyberai: What happens if you go to http://localhost:8080/
[02-Oct-2006 11:57:57] <adytum-bot> Title: Zope (at localhost:8080)
[02-Oct-2006 11:58:27] <Cyberai> creiht, I get the zope quickstart
[02-Oct-2006 11:58:42] <creiht> ok good... then Zope is running
[02-Oct-2006 11:58:56] <Cyberai> ok
[02-Oct-2006 11:59:14] <creiht> When you say that you get nothing... you mean a blank screen?
[02-Oct-2006 11:59:26] <creiht> Does the cursor indicate that it is still trying to load?
[02-Oct-2006 12:00:38] <Cyberai> no, I get the "server not found" page in firefox
[02-Oct-2006 12:01:07] <creiht> Try forcing a refresh?
[02-Oct-2006 12:01:23] <Cyberai> still nothing
[02-Oct-2006 12:01:30] <creiht> Maybe it's caching
[02-Oct-2006 12:01:31] <creiht> hmm
[02-Oct-2006 12:03:28] <creiht> Cyberai: It's odd that it would find the server for the main zope page, bug it doesn't find the main zenoss page
[02-Oct-2006 12:03:57] <Cyberai> yeah, and I can log into the zope management interface at http://localhost:8080/manage
[02-Oct-2006 12:04:15] <Cyberai> using the admin username and the password I defined during zenoss install
[02-Oct-2006 12:05:12] <creiht> When in the admin interface you see the zport folder right?
[02-Oct-2006 12:05:48] <Cyberai> woah, I restarted zope and it started working
[02-Oct-2006 12:05:58] <creiht> heh... cool
[02-Oct-2006 12:06:02] <Cyberai> now localhost:8080/zport/dmd works
[02-Oct-2006 12:06:06] <Cyberai> yeah
[02-Oct-2006 12:06:07] <Cyberai> !
[02-Oct-2006 12:06:27] <Cyberai> hmmm, but is says "Lost connections to zenoss" in red in the upper right
[02-Oct-2006 12:07:48] <creiht> Give it a sec if you just restarted zope
[02-Oct-2006 12:07:54] <creiht> It should go away
[02-Oct-2006 12:08:22] <Cyberai> nope, refreshing the page doesn't make it go away eight
[02-Oct-2006 12:08:26] <Cyberai> either
[02-Oct-2006 12:08:46] <creiht> I would try restarting all of zenoss
[02-Oct-2006 12:08:50] <creiht> zenoss stop
[02-Oct-2006 12:08:54] <creiht> zenoss start
[02-Oct-2006 12:09:09] <Cyberai> ok, hold on
[02-Oct-2006 12:09:52] <Cyberai> hmmm, zopectl is asking for a password
[02-Oct-2006 12:10:06] <creiht> It is the user's password
[02-Oct-2006 12:10:10] <Cyberai> ok, it took my user asswd
[02-Oct-2006 12:10:20] <creiht> Since it has to run some things with suo
[02-Oct-2006 12:10:22] <creiht> err sudo
[02-Oct-2006 12:11:58] <Cyberai> ok, still says lost connection
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:19] <Cyberai> perhaps I need to set the password in the settings page?
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:26] <creiht> Cyberai: I don't think so
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:30] <Cyberai> hmm
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:33] <creiht> Taht should already be set up
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:44] <creiht> I would check your logs
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:47] <Cyberai> slots are empty
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:51] <Cyberai> ok
[02-Oct-2006 12:12:52] <creiht> in $ZENHOME/log
[02-Oct-2006 12:13:01] <creiht> and see if you can find anything noticeable
[02-Oct-2006 12:13:31] <Cyberai> OperationalError: (2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)")
[02-Oct-2006 12:13:36] <Cyberai> weird
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:09] <creiht> Can you connect to MySQL from the command line?
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:28] <Cyberai> nope
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:38] <Cyberai> error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:38] <Cyberai> Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:43] <creiht> Then I would say that is probably the problem
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:46] <Cyberai> let me try restarting it
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:49] <creiht> Yeah
[02-Oct-2006 12:16:54] <creiht> doesn't sound like it is running
[02-Oct-2006 12:17:35] <creiht> Off to lunch... I'll be back later if you are still running into issues
[02-Oct-2006 12:17:42] <Cyberai> ok, thanks
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[02-Oct-2006 14:18:58] <quux> When I get a message like the following, where should troubleshooting begin? Do I need to import a mib to zenoss, or update something on the monitored system?
[02-Oct-2006 14:19:00] <quux> Error reading value for "ssCpuRawSystem" on zenoss.cojones.org (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.11.52.0 is bad)
[02-Oct-2006 14:28:19] <creiht> quux: Does it happen just once in a while, or is it repeatedly getting that every time it polls?
[02-Oct-2006 14:28:42] <quux> creiht, I am getting it every poll
[02-Oct-2006 14:29:01] <creiht> Then the system being polled isn't exposing that oid
[02-Oct-2006 14:29:18] <creiht> At least that is what I would guess
[02-Oct-2006 14:29:28] <creiht> What type of system is it?
[02-Oct-2006 14:29:50] <quux> hmm. I am getting it on several wndows systems, and (the example above) the zenoss system itself. Which is the vmware image, btw
[02-Oct-2006 14:30:50] <creiht> Are other values being polled correctly?
[02-Oct-2006 14:30:56] <quux> yes
[02-Oct-2006 14:32:53] <creiht> Are the window's boxes getting the exact same message, or are they having problems polling other areas?
[02-Oct-2006 14:34:44] <quux> in the case of the windows systems, it's always the same three counters. memoryPagesPerSec, memoryAvailableKBytes, cpuPercentProcessorTime
[02-Oct-2006 14:35:01] <quux> the windows systems are 3x W2003R2, and 1x W2000SP4
[02-Oct-2006 14:35:23] <creiht> quux: Ok... that is because the built in windows agent does not expose those values
[02-Oct-2006 14:35:39] <creiht> If you would like to se those values, you will want to install SNMP Informant
[02-Oct-2006 14:35:47] <creiht> The basic version is free
[02-Oct-2006 14:36:04] <creiht> It is basically a plugin for the MS SNMP agent that exposes the other values
[02-Oct-2006 14:36:48] <quux> Ahhh, Garth Williams. I contributed some money to him, years ago ..
[02-Oct-2006 14:36:53] <quux> thanks.
[02-Oct-2006 14:37:01] <creiht> cool
[02-Oct-2006 14:39:07] <quux> I also see it for 7 values on the zenoss system itself. Is there a snmpd.conf example file you guys recommend?
[02-Oct-2006 14:39:34] <creiht> quux: First check to make snmp is running on the box
[02-Oct-2006 14:39:41] <creiht> err snmpd
[02-Oct-2006 14:39:42] <quux> I did; it is
[02-Oct-2006 14:40:04] <creiht> hmm I'm not sure of an example, but I just followed the examples that are in the default snmpd.conf
[02-Oct-2006 14:40:16] <creiht> This was on a redhat box
[02-Oct-2006 14:40:17] <quux> I may write a ticket for y'all to suggest that be added to the chkconfig on the next vmware appliance you release
[02-Oct-2006 14:40:43] <creiht> quux: Note that I'm not part of the team... Just a happy user
[02-Oct-2006 14:40:49] <creiht> But a good idea none the less
[02-Oct-2006 14:41:51] <quux> hmm. in my snmpd.conf I just stuck the line
[02-Oct-2006 14:41:53] <quux> view all included .1
[02-Oct-2006 14:43:21] <creiht> Just checked mine
[02-Oct-2006 14:43:23] <creiht> and I have
[02-Oct-2006 14:43:31] <creiht> view systemview included .1 80
[02-Oct-2006 14:44:02] <quux> mine has a a line just like that, minus the '80' mask
[02-Oct-2006 14:44:10] <quux> not sure what the mask does, btw
[02-Oct-2006 14:44:26] <creiht> I'm not sure either... it was just in the example I copied it from
[02-Oct-2006 14:51:21] <quux> are you running the vmware image?
[02-Oct-2006 14:53:10] <creiht> No I haven't used it yet
[02-Oct-2006 14:55:10] <quux> I appreciate the help you've given
[02-Oct-2006 14:55:48] <creiht> np
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[02-Oct-2006 17:06:57] <duffyd> hello, it appears that if you remove a device from zenoss it doesn't also remove the associated events and they subsequently become 'orphaned' (as far as I can tell)
[02-Oct-2006 17:07:04] <duffyd> Does anyone know how to remove these events?
[02-Oct-2006 17:07:58] <quux> did you try the zeo pack database thing?
[02-Oct-2006 17:08:57] <quux> see 10.5.2 in the admin doc
[02-Oct-2006 17:09:08] <duffyd> ahh, ta
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[02-Oct-2006 18:36:54] <quux> hello zenoss devs?
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[02-Oct-2006 18:48:20] <quux> how did that zeo pack go, duffy?
[02-Oct-2006 18:48:29] <duffyd> hello again quux, I tried the pack of the ZODB as you said and didn't seemed to fix it :-(
[02-Oct-2006 18:48:59] <quux> Sorry. I was just guessing and hoping. I'm still working my way through the zenoss thicket myself
[02-Oct-2006 18:49:22] <duffyd> k, ta
[02-Oct-2006 18:49:27] <duffyd> great product, though
[02-Oct-2006 18:49:33] <duffyd> esp cos it's running on zope :-)
[02-Oct-2006 18:49:37] <quux> curious: are you running the vmware appliance?
[02-Oct-2006 18:50:27] <duffyd> no, straight on top of ubuntu
[02-Oct-2006 18:50:35] <quux> ahh, ok
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[02-Oct-2006 18:51:21] <quux> Several of us (in vmware instances) have noticed that the zenperfsnmp seems to stop collecting data after awhile; I'm trying to figure out why
[02-Oct-2006 18:52:01] <duffyd> k, sorry haven't looked closely at the zenperfsnmp stuff but mine has been running for about 2 months and still collecting data fine
[02-Oct-2006 18:53:21] <duffyd> I'm just trying to setup a basic virtual host to the zenoss instance and I can do this fine using the standard zope VHM approach but for some reason no events show up in the dashboard
[02-Oct-2006 18:53:29] <duffyd> if I access the instance via localhost they all show up fine
[02-Oct-2006 18:53:30] <duffyd> strange
[02-Oct-2006 18:53:44] <quux> sorry, I'm not a zope wizard
[02-Oct-2006 18:54:06] <duffyd> np, I'm actually a zope developer so its got me a little stumped
[02-Oct-2006 18:54:20] <duffyd> probably just a setting pointing at localhost some where in zenoss config
[02-Oct-2006 18:54:36] <duffyd> *fingers crossed*
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[02-Oct-2006 22:26:36] <quux> through tral and error, I have learned that when zenperfsnmp stops collecting events, I can kickstart it by restarting zenxevent
[02-Oct-2006 23:16:42] <quux> OK, this is a big one - I am running the vmware image. Cannot create alerting rules
[02-Oct-2006 23:16:44] <quux> --Error Type: ImportError
[02-Oct-2006 23:16:44] <quux> --Error Value: No module named yapps
[02-Oct-2006 23:37:11] <quux> ok, I sent that and the zenperfsnmp stopping issue as tickets 369, 370
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[03-Oct-2006 03:35:09] <dimmer`> hi, guyz
[03-Oct-2006 03:35:37] <dimmer`> is anybody alive here?
[03-Oct-2006 04:11:47] <dimmer`> erhh, guyz-guyz...
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[03-Oct-2006 04:17:16] <quux> dimmer`: howdy
[03-Oct-2006 04:24:05] <dimmer`> fine
[03-Oct-2006 04:24:16] <dimmer`> did anybody tried zenoss?
[03-Oct-2006 04:24:42] <quux> I'm using it
[03-Oct-2006 04:24:43] <dimmer`> i'm interested in it, but i am not sure in its functionality
[03-Oct-2006 04:25:01] <dimmer`> espicially event log correlation
[03-Oct-2006 04:25:13] <dimmer`> aggregation and realtime monitoring
[03-Oct-2006 04:25:18] <quux> I have not worked with the eventlog stuff yet
[03-Oct-2006 04:25:38] <dimmer`> and what are you using in it?
[03-Oct-2006 04:25:50] <quux> I'll play with it, but am thinking of a combination of zenoss and splunk
[03-Oct-2006 04:25:59] <quux> So far, just the snmp monitoring
[03-Oct-2006 04:26:02] <dimmer`> how many servers does it serve?
[03-Oct-2006 04:26:46] <quux> Not sure how far it will scale. Right now I have it snmp polling about 12 servers, and it finishes its check cycle in about 8 seconds
[03-Oct-2006 04:29:00] <quux> the polling zenoss station is on my laptop via wireless, I'm sure that slows it down
[03-Oct-2006 04:30:05] <dimmer`> i've a big distributed net. there are hundreds of servers
[03-Oct-2006 04:30:14] <dimmer`> that's why i'm in doubts
[03-Oct-2006 04:32:02] <quux> I would say it's worth your time to test. I've looked at nagios, zabbix, and zenoss - so far zenoss is the one I find easiest to use
[03-Oct-2006 04:32:41] <dimmer`> ease of use isn't the main point. the main is functionality
[03-Oct-2006 04:32:52] <dimmer`> what about nagios and zabbix?
[03-Oct-2006 04:32:52] <quux> The object layout is *very* well designed
[03-Oct-2006 04:33:07] <dimmer`> and what's splunk?
[03-Oct-2006 04:33:37] <quux> I think with large large nets, ease of use is very important. If configuring hundres of hosts means performing literally thousands of config actions, you'll never get done
[03-Oct-2006 04:33:57] <quux> splunk is basically a syslog server that puts all entries into a searchable database
[03-Oct-2006 04:34:00] <dimmer`> did you think of using such systems as cisco MARS ?
[03-Oct-2006 04:34:25] <quux> I have not had the opportnity nor budget to get serious about Cisco mgmt software
[03-Oct-2006 04:35:15] <quux> Although we did use some of it at a company I used to be with - I found it pretty heavy.
[03-Oct-2006 04:35:25] <dimmer`> i see. i hope, i will have. but i want it work. and I am not sure that cisco wil comply my reqs
[03-Oct-2006 04:35:57] <quux> is this your first time setting up NMS/monitoring software?
[03-Oct-2006 04:36:27] <dimmer`> yes
[03-Oct-2006 04:36:59] <quux> OK. If you don't mind, I will mention a few bits of advice - I've been through this wringer a couple of times
[03-Oct-2006 04:37:07] <dimmer`> of course!
[03-Oct-2006 04:37:38] <quux> 1) Often you go into such a project with very grand plans to monitor many many things per host
[03-Oct-2006 04:38:27] <quux> I never see this really work well. What happens is it takes up *all* your time for many months, getting it right, and then keeping it up to date as systems change
[03-Oct-2006 04:39:12] <quux> So start small. Monitor the essentials - system responds to ping, has enough free disk, missioncritical services are running
[03-Oct-2006 04:39:27] <quux> you can add more later if it is needed.
[03-Oct-2006 04:40:32] <quux> 2) Start with a lowcost or free software, to do all the above. Get your feet wet with that; you'll learn a lot about what you *realy* want/need as opposed to what you thought you wanted.
[03-Oct-2006 04:40:40] <dimmer`> yes, but the system should have the possibility to scale
[03-Oct-2006 04:40:51] <quux> The lowcost/free software may do all you need in the end.
[03-Oct-2006 04:41:12] <quux> If not, this will help draw a realistic RFP for your next try
[03-Oct-2006 04:42:19] <quux> 3) Use high thresholds.
[03-Oct-2006 04:42:53] <quux> So often I see people setup, for instance, 'send alarm when cpu hits 90%'
[03-Oct-2006 04:43:35] <quux> what happens then is CPU spikes to 90% 5 times a day, and pretty soon nobody cares when the monitor system has red dots all over it
[03-Oct-2006 04:44:17] <quux> a better threshold, if your system can do it, is '100% cpu for 5 minutes continuously'
[03-Oct-2006 04:44:34] <quux> or 'average 90% cpu for 5 minutes'
[03-Oct-2006 04:45:39] <dimmer`> you know, my main goal to achieve is to get kind a IDS whole ove the network, including events correlation, privileged users activity, logs from firewalls, anti-virus software, routers etc
[03-Oct-2006 04:45:49] <quux> I can think of many other things, like setting SLA, and defining the workflow for responding to alarms, but that stuff will get you started
[03-Oct-2006 04:46:07] <quux> You might want to look at OSSIM
[03-Oct-2006 04:46:11] <dimmer`> sarbanes oxley act comlying
[03-Oct-2006 04:46:33] <quux> But honestly, that's exactly the mistake I have seen made over and over again.
[03-Oct-2006 04:46:41] <quux> Start small and realistic.
[03-Oct-2006 04:47:05] <dimmer`> thanks!
[03-Oct-2006 04:47:08] <dimmer`> i will try
[03-Oct-2006 04:47:13] <quux> Try to do too much at once and you will be overloaded in the details
[03-Oct-2006 04:47:42] <dimmer`> you seem to be very expirienced wity this things, don't you?
[03-Oct-2006 04:47:48] <quux> as to sarbanes oxley ... fah. Companies are going overboard with that
[03-Oct-2006 04:48:11] <quux> Well, I've been interested in monitoring for 10 years or so, been invloved with many such projects
[03-Oct-2006 04:48:30] <dimmer`> I am glad to meet you here!
[03-Oct-2006 04:48:54] <dimmer`> just not to lost can give me your email ? mine is golomidov@gmail.com
[03-Oct-2006 04:49:05] <quux> Section 404 of SOX is very clear: it is only necessary to apply it to those systems which substancially impact financial reports.
[03-Oct-2006 04:49:13] <dimmer`> i am an informational security specialist
[03-Oct-2006 04:49:24] <quux> ah. bryanlockwood@gmail.com
[03-Oct-2006 04:50:05] <dimmer`> nice to meet you, Bryan!
[03-Oct-2006 04:50:29] <quux> What part of the country are you in?
[03-Oct-2006 04:50:31] <dimmer`> ossim seems to be nice
[03-Oct-2006 04:50:37] <dimmer`> I am from Russia
[03-Oct-2006 04:50:42] <dimmer`> and you?
[03-Oct-2006 04:50:48] <quux> redmond, Washington
[03-Oct-2006 04:50:56] <quux> Russia and SOX compliance?
[03-Oct-2006 04:51:19] <dimmer`> Microsoft's main city
Yes, and why are you surprised?[03-Oct-2006 04:51:42] <dimmer`> it's not by law - it's because of our shareholders
[03-Oct-2006 04:51:57] <quux> oh I see
[03-Oct-2006 04:52:28] <dimmer`> SOA is very clever and smart document
[03-Oct-2006 04:53:15] <quux> It has caused much confusion, though
[03-Oct-2006 04:53:31] <quux> Many, many consultants are milking it to death
[03-Oct-2006 04:54:46] <quux> When you see someone applying SOX controls & audits to general file servers, you know someone is cashing in for the big fees
[03-Oct-2006 04:54:54] <dimmer`> of course. I hope, I will not be in that number of consultants.
[03-Oct-2006 04:55:34] <dimmer`> you know, as it is not by law I hope the deadline will be far from me
[03-Oct-2006 04:56:07] <dimmer`> did you try osssim?
[03-Oct-2006 04:56:50] <quux> I experimented with the online copy about a year ago. Have not used it since. I should try again; it has probably matured since then
[03-Oct-2006 04:58:22] <dimmer`> why don't you like it that time?
[03-Oct-2006 04:58:50] <quux> many things were not complete then. Oh yeah, I did actually run it in my test lab I remember now
[03-Oct-2006 05:01:10] <dimmer`> nice. may be, you know anything else like ossim?
[03-Oct-2006 05:01:44] <quux> it's the only one I can think of at the moment
[03-Oct-2006 05:03:25] <quux> you could look at NST also. It's quite different, but what's nice about it is that it can be a remote snort probe that sends IDS events to a central console - and provides many other utilities on your remote nets
[03-Oct-2006 05:04:15] <quux> bisically it makes a bootable CD that you can just send to the site and have someone run.
[03-Oct-2006 05:04:38] <quux> no install - the liveCD does it all
[03-Oct-2006 05:06:27] <dimmer`> NST - networksecuritytoolkit ?
[03-Oct-2006 05:06:36] <quux> yes
[03-Oct-2006 05:07:59] <dimmer`> Oh, I did look through it
[03-Oct-2006 05:09:01] <dimmer`> actually my workstation is almost NST
same tools I 've installed. I want an enterprise solution[03-Oct-2006 05:10:08] <quux> NST can be part of one... let it be a remote snort probe that reports to your central solution
[03-Oct-2006 05:10:25] <quux> in addition you get local nessus, nmap and so on for each subnet
[03-Oct-2006 05:10:41] <dimmer`> hm.. may be. I will think about it
[03-Oct-2006 05:11:00] <dimmer`> but it would get MS events
[03-Oct-2006 05:11:06] <quux> and ethereal of course. No matter how cool your central solution is, nothing beats having diagnostic tools local on the various subnets
[03-Oct-2006 05:11:17] <dimmer`> wireshark now
[03-Oct-2006 05:11:45] <quux> yeah, I have to train myself to say that ... benn using ethereal a long time
[03-Oct-2006 05:14:55] <dimmer`> I see. i also like it very much
[03-Oct-2006 05:15:27] <quux> It has gotten very good over the years
[03-Oct-2006 05:15:57] <dimmer`> yeh. And nmap
[03-Oct-2006 05:16:00] <dimmer`> and nessus
[03-Oct-2006 05:16:06] <dimmer`> and snort
[03-Oct-2006 05:17:47] <dimmer`> Ok. Thank you very much for an advice. I will look through all software you mention. And I will remember your advice. Thank you! If you don't mind I will ask you by email
[03-Oct-2006 05:17:52] <quux> ntop is pretyt handy too
[03-Oct-2006 05:17:56] <quux> sure
[03-Oct-2006 05:18:15] <dimmer`> bye!
[03-Oct-2006 05:18:28] <quux> take care
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[03-Oct-2006 17:32:05] <quux> I am a bit confused. I defined a new rrdTemplate called 'Test', and placed it at /Devices/Server/Windows ... how do I make it show up in individual server pages?
[03-Oct-2006 17:43:15] <quux> Ahh, nevermind, I see now that I need to add those OIDs and the graph definition to the 'Devices' rrd template
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[03-Oct-2006 18:25:37] <korozion> hey cool, that's two people I've converted to ZenOSS
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[03-Oct-2006 20:34:53] <quux> OK, I _really_ wanna congratulate you guys. Zenoss is very sweet!
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[04-Oct-2006 19:10:33] <shaggyoaf> hi everybody
[04-Oct-2006 19:12:54] <shaggyoaf> Im doing a basic-level software evaluation of a bunch of different manageability products (we want to know what's even worth looking at) and I'm really impressed by zenoss
[04-Oct-2006 19:13:47] <shaggyoaf> how well developed is its support for info outside of snmp?
[04-Oct-2006 19:14:15] <shaggyoaf> I'm seeing that it can do things via xmlrpc and on the wiki I found a stub for how to write a data collector (nothing in that link)
[04-Oct-2006 19:14:40] <shaggyoaf> so is it a matter of documentation not being there yet, or is it more a matter of the software itself not being there yet?
[04-Oct-2006 19:23:36] <shaggyoaf> can zenoss send xmlrpc messages back to agents?
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[05-Oct-2006 17:46:12] <_chris_> anyone using snmpd under gentoo?
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[06-Oct-2006 18:50:21] <Deciph> Can someone point me in the direction of setting a static IP on my vmware box?
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[06-Oct-2006 22:48:03] <quux> deciph: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
[07-Oct-2006 00:08:57] <Deciph> awesome thanks!
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[08-Oct-2006 03:55:49] <nictuku> hi
[08-Oct-2006 03:56:01] <quux> hello
[08-Oct-2006 03:56:21] <nictuku> I wonder why I haven't heard of zenoss before.
[08-Oct-2006 03:56:37] <nictuku> trying it now
[08-Oct-2006 03:57:08] <quux> It's a nice tool
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[12-Oct-2006 10:13:33] <floydian> I am having trouble loading MIB files - I seem to be getting python errors
[12-Oct-2006 10:28:57] <floydian> Here's the message I'm getting, which is 10-12 lines long
[12-Oct-2006 10:29:28] <floydian> sh: line 1: 10055 Segmentation fault smidump -fpython -p "/usr/local/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf/SNMPv2-SMI" -p "/usr/local/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf/SNMPv2-TC" -p "/usr/local/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf/SNMPv2-CONF" -p "/usr/local/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf/HOST-RESOURCES-MIB" -p "/usr/local/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf/IF-MIB" -p "/usr/local/zenoss/share/mibs/ietf/SNMPv2-MIB" -p "/usr/local/zenoss/share/mibs/iana/IANAifType-MIB" "43jobman.mib" 2>/dev/null
[12-Oct-2006 10:30:06] <floydian> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Failed to load mib: 43jobman.mib
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[13-Oct-2006 04:48:42] <keving> #zenoss is: Zenoss is your friend.
[13-Oct-2006 04:48:50] <keving> if i can figure out more about it
[13-Oct-2006 04:48:56] <keving> I am sure that would be true
[13-Oct-2006 04:48:59] <keving>
[13-Oct-2006 04:49:05] <keving> btw I love the program
[13-Oct-2006 04:49:15] <keving> been playing with the virt
[13-Oct-2006 04:49:20] <keving> just set up the server
[13-Oct-2006 04:49:28] <keving> need help setting it up further
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[13-Oct-2006 13:18:07] <srineer> hello
[13-Oct-2006 13:18:33] <quux> hiya
[13-Oct-2006 13:18:39] <srineer> is zenoss going to stay full Open source?
[13-Oct-2006 13:19:07] <quux> I can't speak for them (I'm just abother user), but they seem pretty committed to it
[13-Oct-2006 13:19:27] <srineer> how does it compare to nagios?
[13-Oct-2006 13:19:46] <quux> Given that they already have some venture capitalization and are still GPL, I'd say they'll probably stick to it
[13-Oct-2006 13:20:00] <quux> it's *way* easier to setup than nagios
[13-Oct-2006 13:20:28] <quux> doesn't (yet) provide some of the sophisticated reports nagios gives
[13-Oct-2006 13:21:16] <quux> But has (imo) a much more logical layout that nagios, is quite clean, and the head dev definitely has the vision to blow past nagios in time. Again, IMO
[13-Oct-2006 13:21:57] <quux> I sound a little like a cheerleader, but then I've been looking for a good monitoring program for 12+ years
[13-Oct-2006 13:22:12] <quux> And in zenoss I finally see the seeds
[13-Oct-2006 13:22:18] <srineer> hmm
[13-Oct-2006 13:23:09] <srineer> i currently am watching about 2300 services with 3 nagios boxes
[13-Oct-2006 13:23:18] <srineer> will zenoss handle that?
[13-Oct-2006 13:23:34] <quux> Can't say. I haven't scaled out that large yet
[13-Oct-2006 13:23:41] <quux> It does handle nagios plugins
[13-Oct-2006 13:24:20] <quux> Right now I don't see a provision for 'multiple zenoss boxen, one zenoss interface' though
[13-Oct-2006 13:24:49] <srineer> ok
[13-Oct-2006 13:25:07] <srineer> i will have to commit some time this weekend to put up a test box
[13-Oct-2006 13:25:26] <quux> the virtual appliance makes it easy
[13-Oct-2006 13:25:49] <quux> There's one bug in the appliance tho. The snmp gatherer will fail after a couple of hours.
[13-Oct-2006 13:26:23] <quux> I'm assured this is fixed for the next release, but at this rev I just cron a restart of the zensnmpd every hour
[13-Oct-2006 13:26:41] <srineer> k, im downloading the vmware image now
[13-Oct-2006 13:27:21] <quux> oops, sorry, I just referred to my notes. Actually I stuck this into an hourly cron job:
[13-Oct-2006 13:27:26] <quux> /home/zenoss/bin/zenxevent restart
[13-Oct-2006 13:27:46] <quux> I just added it into /etc/cron.hourly/zenoss
[13-Oct-2006 13:27:52] <srineer> i see
[13-Oct-2006 13:28:40] <quux> with that one thing, it's been running well against my little test farm for 2 weeks
[13-Oct-2006 13:28:54] <srineer> Cool
[13-Oct-2006 13:30:11] <quux> what I like best about zenoss is the hierarchical layout. So, if I have /devices/servers/linux/mail/{many different servers}
[13-Oct-2006 13:30:43] <quux> I can just define a check for mail services at that level, and all the servers in that branch of the tree inherit
[13-Oct-2006 13:31:00] <srineer> cool
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[13-Oct-2006 14:00:15] <r000t> hmmm .. where should i start .. just started playing around with this?? have done som work on nagios .. but how does this thing work
[13-Oct-2006 14:00:58] <r000t> i get confused on how you are supposed to use the nagios plugins and to check service-availability
[13-Oct-2006 14:01:14] <r000t> the docs are not as big as the ones that come with nagios
[13-Oct-2006 14:03:47] <r000t> ok its friday night and the beers are waiting .. i get it .. just me who cant keep away..
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[14-Oct-2006 19:45:45] <keving> any one active in here?
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[15-Oct-2006 21:08:52] <davidn> Hey guys, I seem to be having a problem with snmp collection. The last collection point was 10/13, I ran conary updateall thinking it was the 10/2 update that might have taken care of the issue, but still not seeing collection.
[15-Oct-2006 21:09:07] <davidn> any ideas??
[15-Oct-2006 21:17:43] <quux> davidn: how long has your zenoss install been up?
[15-Oct-2006 21:18:38] <quux> try running: /home/zenoss/bin/zenxevent restart
[15-Oct-2006 21:34:29] <davidn> quux, around a week.....will try that
[15-Oct-2006 21:35:02] <quux> davidn, many have noted this on the Appliance. it's supposed to be solved for the next release
[15-Oct-2006 21:35:42] <quux> meanwhile, what I did was put that zenxevent restart lin in /etc/cron.hourly/zenoss
[15-Oct-2006 21:36:04] <quux> and now everything is fine, no missed snmp gathers for about a week and a half now
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[16-Oct-2006 11:49:45] <ke4qqq> Hey guys, I came in last night, explained that I had been using the vmware appliance for a couple of weeks now, and apparently after about 4-6 hours I noticed a lack of logging. Unfortunately I haven't had a whole lot of time to play with it until recently I read in the mailing list archives about the patch that came out, and I subsequently ran conary updateall, and even tried applying the patch, which told me that it had already been applied. S
[16-Oct-2006 11:49:45] <ke4qqq> ting zenxevent, however that has yielded no futher snmp logging. Any ideas on how to solve this issue?
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[16-Oct-2006 13:51:56] <quux> ke4qqq, you still there?
[16-Oct-2006 13:52:02] <ke4qqq> yep
[16-Oct-2006 13:54:43] <quux> Wat I did on the appliance was put this line:
[16-Oct-2006 13:54:49] <quux> /home/zenoss/bin/zenxevent
[16-Oct-2006 13:54:56] <quux> into this file:
[16-Oct-2006 13:55:05] <quux> /etc/cron.hourly/zenoss
[16-Oct-2006 13:55:49] <quux> and that solved the problem with snmp results quitting every 4 hours or so
[16-Oct-2006 13:56:14] <ke4qqq> even after I ran that, (haven't set it as a cron job) it never started collecting data
[16-Oct-2006 13:56:36] <ke4qqq> as a matter of fact, the first 4 hours are about the only time data was collected.....
[16-Oct-2006 13:57:32] <quux> hmm, do an etc/init.d/zenoss restart
[16-Oct-2006 13:57:38] <quux> to get everything rolling again
[16-Oct-2006 13:58:34] <ke4qqq> how soon after restarting should it start polling for data and posting it?
[16-Oct-2006 13:58:44] <quux> within 2 minutes
[16-Oct-2006 13:58:54] <ke4qqq> Thats the only bad thing about the vmware appliance, it doesn't force you to learn anything up front....
[16-Oct-2006 13:59:07] <quux> tail /home/zenoss/log/zenperfsnmp.log
[16-Oct-2006 14:00:40] <quux> I used that tail command (above) to see what was going on
[16-Oct-2006 14:01:03] <ke4qqq> I am getting this error but think it's still running: 2006-10-16 18:00:20 ERROR zen.zenperfsnmp: Error: Failure: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0x81 in position 51: unexpected code byte
[16-Oct-2006 14:01:26] <quux> hrm, I never saw that!
[16-Oct-2006 14:01:54] <ke4qqq> but I think the root problem was a persistent pid file....saw that a few entries up, once deleted the process stayed active
[16-Oct-2006 14:02:33] <quux> did you define any snmp tests yourself in the PerfConf tab?
[16-Oct-2006 14:03:08] <ke4qqq> no
[16-Oct-2006 14:04:21] <quux> does the error keep repeating in zenperfsnmp.log ?
[16-Oct-2006 14:04:38] <ke4qqq> no, just once
[16-Oct-2006 14:05:34] <ke4qqq> still not seeing any logging of snmp data either.....for instance hard drive free space, etc.
[16-Oct-2006 14:06:32] <quux> are you seeing something like this, about 1x/minute:
[16-Oct-2006 14:06:34] <quux> 2006-10-16 10:54:04 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: collected 11 of 11 devices in 2.55
[16-Oct-2006 14:06:46] <ke4qqq> no not seeing that at all....
[16-Oct-2006 14:07:14] <quux> Hmm, if you did the zenoss restart, then I do not know what to tell you
[16-Oct-2006 14:07:43] <ke4qqq> I think I see the problem, yet another pid file that didn't get rmed.
[16-Oct-2006 14:08:24] <ke4qqq> this was in zenxevent
[16-Oct-2006 14:09:06] <quux> that makes sense
[16-Oct-2006 14:12:58] <ke4qqq> hmmm should zenxevent continue running???
[16-Oct-2006 14:13:13] <ke4qqq> it dies (or fails to start)
[16-Oct-2006 14:13:43] <quux> it stays running on my box ..
[16-Oct-2006 14:13:57] <ke4qqq> i say it does, but I see the process running but when using the status command it says not running
[16-Oct-2006 14:14:32] <quux> check /home/zenoss/log/zenxevent.log
[16-Oct-2006 14:14:56] <ke4qqq> I did and it shows nothing other than the INFO zen.ZenXEvent: started
[16-Oct-2006 14:15:23] <quux> Hmm, I don't know. I'm just another user like you, don't know the internals
[16-Oct-2006 14:15:56] <quux> you may want to put in a ticket at http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki
[16-Oct-2006 14:15:56] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[16-Oct-2006 14:15:56] <ke4qqq> yeah....may try and revert it back and start afresh.....I am not too far down the road with it, and configuration is relatively easy....
[16-Oct-2006 14:16:17] <quux> Yeah, it's easy to config, that's one of the things I love
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[16-Oct-2006 17:06:05] <ke4qqq> interesting....I added a few servers (around 15) and apparently one of them is causing them to choke I stopped doing reviews of the log files on every item I added after the first few, but now, I get ERROR zen.zenperfsnmp: Error: Failure: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0x81 in position 51: unexpected code byte
[16-Oct-2006 17:07:24] <quux> just me yakking, but I bet if you could capture an snmpwalk of whatever is the problem system, and put that in as a ticket, it'd be a cool thing
[16-Oct-2006 17:12:34] <ke4qqq> yeah thats what I have been doing, just now narrowing it down to a single system
[16-Oct-2006 17:13:05] <ke4qqq> finally found it....now just to figure out what is position 51
[16-Oct-2006 17:13:48] <ke4qqq> incidentally, it's my solitary Win2k server
[16-Oct-2006 17:15:15] <quux> odd. I am doing snmp against a w2k server and no probs
[16-Oct-2006 17:15:31] <quux> I would bet it's within the software oid tho
[16-Oct-2006 17:37:47] <ke4qqq> might be
[16-Oct-2006 17:45:58] <ke4qqq> any idea how to narrow down what I might be looking for?
[16-Oct-2006 17:56:18] <quux> sorry, I wish I knew something!
[16-Oct-2006 17:56:28] <quux> be looking for strange chars, I think
[16-Oct-2006 18:10:16] <ke4qqq> well there are 2861 lines of data with nearly 200,000 characters, so that may take me a while
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[17-Oct-2006 11:33:53] <kippi617> hey
[17-Oct-2006 11:34:37] <kippi617> I have just installed this, looks brill, just added one of my servers which I cannot ping, or remote desktop to but it is saying that ping is ok, anyideas why this is?
[17-Oct-2006 11:38:11] <creiht> kippi617: Give it a few minutes... Configurations are reloaded every 20 minutes I think, so it may have not picked up the new device yet
[17-Oct-2006 11:38:33] <kippi617> its saying its online but i cannot ping it
[17-Oct-2006 11:38:38] <creiht> Right
[17-Oct-2006 11:38:50] <creiht> Because it hasn't actually started polling yet
[17-Oct-2006 11:38:56] <kippi617> ah
[17-Oct-2006 11:39:04] <creiht> There hasn't been anything to tell it is down yet
[17-Oct-2006 11:39:42] <creiht> If you are just testing, you could restart zenoss, and it should start polling immediately
[17-Oct-2006 11:40:08] <kippi617> ah ha
[17-Oct-2006 11:46:53] <kippi617> how can I restart zenoss, looked on google but can't see anything
[17-Oct-2006 11:50:19] <creiht> $ZENHOME/bin/zenoss stop
[17-Oct-2006 11:50:28] <creiht> $ZENHOME/bin/zenoss start
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[17-Oct-2006 11:58:07] <kippi617> hmm
[17-Oct-2006 11:58:19] <kippi617> even after a restart its still saying things are up
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[17-Oct-2006 12:00:33] <creiht> make sure everything is running with:
[17-Oct-2006 12:00:42] <creiht> $ZENHOME/bin/zenoss status
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[17-Oct-2006 13:48:57] <kippi617> creiht: ah great
[17-Oct-2006 13:49:13] <kippi617> getting errors: No such file/directory
[17-Oct-2006 14:17:55] <creiht> kippi617: Where are you seeing those errors?
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[17-Oct-2006 16:28:21] <zoehead> Is anyone available to answe a question?
[17-Oct-2006 16:39:22] <creiht> zoehead: What is the question?
[17-Oct-2006 17:04:11] <zoehead> hi
[17-Oct-2006 17:04:51] <zoehead> I am running zenoss on the vmware virtual appliance and want to load some additional MIBS onto the server
[17-Oct-2006 17:05:42] <zoehead> it seems to be a scaled down OS without FTP loaded, any recommendation on how to transfer files onto the VM?
[17-Oct-2006 17:26:07] <creiht> zoehead: I haven't used the VM so I'm not completely sure... sorry. I'm not sure what os the VM uses but you should be able to install any packages you need (i.e. FTP)
[17-Oct-2006 18:17:47] <zoehead> Thanks for the reply, on another note have you had any experience customizing the interface? Changing colors adding graphics?
[17-Oct-2006 18:28:30] <creiht> zoehead: I have not done that either... though I have looked at some of the code. It is in Zope, so making small changes like that should be fairly straight forward
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[17-Oct-2006 18:35:23] <zoehead> thanks much
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[18-Oct-2006 00:50:47] <Fuzz_tx> anyone around?
[18-Oct-2006 00:52:38] <Fuzz_tx> Just wondering if anyone has had any success with importing the VM Appliance into ESX 3.0? The importer complains because it is not Windows os and then continues to convert but hangs on boot
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[18-Oct-2006 04:35:53] <kippi617> has anyone got a good install guild on how to install zenoss on Linux?
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[18-Oct-2006 11:13:14] <Fuzz_tx> has anyone had any success in getting the VMWare image to work under esx 3.0?
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[19-Oct-2006 11:32:46] <zoehead> hello all, I am looking for someone that has used the zenoss vmware virtual appliance. I am stumped on how to load any files to the server.
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[19-Oct-2006 12:38:37] <joeboo> test
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[19-Oct-2006 12:42:33] <TommyGun> Hello, anybody out there?
[19-Oct-2006 12:42:40] <joeboo> Tommy Gun Long time
[19-Oct-2006 12:42:47] <TommyGun> joeboo
[19-Oct-2006 12:42:51] <TommyGun> how you been buddy?
[19-Oct-2006 12:43:02] <TommyGun> still trying to figure out event mapping?
[19-Oct-2006 12:43:18] <joeboo> and nagios with sip
[19-Oct-2006 12:43:23] <TommyGun> oh
[19-Oct-2006 12:43:24] <TommyGun> yeah
[19-Oct-2006 12:43:27] <TommyGun> sip is a BEAR
[19-Oct-2006 12:43:40] <TommyGun> wonder if anyone has got that figured out
[19-Oct-2006 12:45:13] <TommyGun> hey, does anybody use this channel?
[19-Oct-2006 12:49:28] <joeboo> does anyone have a primer other than the admin guide for event mappings with expressions. I have a fw syslogging and the timestamp is new everytime
[19-Oct-2006 12:50:54] <TommyGun> hey
[19-Oct-2006 12:50:59] <TommyGun> thanks for all your help guys
[19-Oct-2006 12:51:03] <TommyGun> great tool!
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[19-Oct-2006 13:58:56] <joeboo> so do folks not use this channel or do i chat one on one? any help would be cool
[19-Oct-2006 14:09:58] <socialist> it's a really quiet channel
[19-Oct-2006 14:10:15] <socialist> the devs used to talk in here a bit, but I've barely seen them in weeks
[19-Oct-2006 14:14:07] <joeboo> OK wow
[19-Oct-2006 14:14:35] <joeboo> so have you done any event classifications with FW and stuff
[19-Oct-2006 14:43:50] <socialist> no, sorry :\
[19-Oct-2006 14:44:16] <socialist> tbh, I'm not even using zenoss anymore
[19-Oct-2006 14:45:19] <socialist> I'm just like the project so I lurk around
[19-Oct-2006 14:45:26] <socialist> s/I'm/I/
[19-Oct-2006 15:41:00] <joeboo> what is Escalate Count
[19-Oct-2006 17:27:37] <ke4qqq> socialist: If not Zenoss, then what are you using now?
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[19-Oct-2006 17:33:30] <socialist> ke4qqq: nagios+cacti+smokeping and assorted snmp trap stuff
[19-Oct-2006 17:35:40] <ke4qqq> interesting
[19-Oct-2006 17:35:53] <ke4qqq> why did you choose not to stick with zenoss
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[19-Oct-2006 19:33:53] <socialist> I found it to be unstable, the graphing/stats features are minimal at best, notification options are nonexistant and there are no escalation features
[19-Oct-2006 19:34:11] <socialist> almost all the earmarks of a young app
[19-Oct-2006 19:35:12] <socialist> I think there is a good chance that it will be a killer app eventually
[19-Oct-2006 19:38:44] <socialist> on a good note, I love the combined inventory/stats/monitoring approach
[19-Oct-2006 19:38:47] <socialist> and I love python
[19-Oct-2006 19:45:06] <socialist> oh, and I've been using nagios/netsaint for years, and while it's the most horribly tedious thing in the universe to set up, it's _very_ reliable and extensible. Once zenoss starts to get close to that, I'll switch with glee.
[19-Oct-2006 20:32:35] <quux> socialist: I'm running the vmware appliance, and with one modification (add a cron job to restart zenxevent hourly) it's working well
[19-Oct-2006 20:33:13] <quux> I still need to spend more time with it, set up and test notifications, but so far I'm very impressed
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[20-Oct-2006 06:07:36] <thomaskeller> Hi, is anybody using SuSE10.1?
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[20-Oct-2006 11:17:53] <skel> has anyone used the vmware download, and do you know if there's a way to use it in ESX 3 Server instead of with the player?
[20-Oct-2006 11:40:24] <skel> anyone know if there's a scsi vmware image instead of a ide one for zenoss?
[20-Oct-2006 12:42:25] <ke4qqq> skel.... I have used the vmware download with vmware server but not esx....and what difference is scsi/ide supposed to make?? (I apologize for my ignorance)
[20-Oct-2006 14:08:32] <skel> sorry was out for lunch
[20-Oct-2006 14:08:52] <skel> no immediate difference other than ESX won't import ide based vmdk's
[20-Oct-2006 14:09:05] <skel> it only uses scsi
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[20-Oct-2006 14:36:16] <ke4qqq> interesting.....good to know, maybe the zenoss devs will take that into consideration for the next release.
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[20-Oct-2006 14:40:38] <excelacomsysadmi> Hello, my name is Alejandro. I work with ExcelaCom under Jeff.
[20-Oct-2006 14:40:49] <excelacomsysadmi> I had a question regarding Zenoss
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[20-Oct-2006 15:21:11] <skel> that would be cool
[20-Oct-2006 15:21:54] <skel> we just wanted to use the vmsetup to try it out, we'd most likely use it on a dedicated physical server
[20-Oct-2006 15:59:49] <ke4qqq> yeah I am just trying it out here....the project has a lot of potential, but also quite a few problems, mainly dealing with lack of documentation.
[20-Oct-2006 16:02:21] <ke4qqq> (they just appear as problems)
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[20-Oct-2006 16:27:22] <_chris_> ke4qqq: i think the docs are going to get a lot better
[20-Oct-2006 16:27:31] <_chris_> have you seen the screencasts on the website?
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[20-Oct-2006 17:13:00] <ke4qqq> _chris_ not yet, but hopefully will get some time to....I sent an email to the docs guy volunteering to help b/c my coding sucks.
[20-Oct-2006 17:23:21] <_chris_> ke4qqq: the screencasts are very cool. i hope they make more of them
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[22-Oct-2006 17:01:26] <kiddle> anyone around?
[22-Oct-2006 17:42:09] <quux> hiya
[22-Oct-2006 18:12:53] <kiddle> hey quux
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[23-Oct-2006 03:11:12] <zmoto> hey, anyone around?
[23-Oct-2006 03:12:06] <quux> whats up?
[23-Oct-2006 03:24:18] <zmoto> i have FC5 and tried to install zenoss from the tarball but i got the error "unable to create the initial Zenoss object database". But the install log said at the end "No module named event" and "No module named subscribers" among the errors.
[23-Oct-2006 03:29:38] <zmoto> quux ?
[23-Oct-2006 03:29:58] <quux> sorry, I've only used the appliance
[23-Oct-2006 03:53:59] <zmoto> ordering CD..... just kidding ;-)
[23-Oct-2006 03:54:02] <zmoto> hahhaa.. good one
[23-Oct-2006 03:55:22] <quux> by appliance I mean the vmware image
[23-Oct-2006 04:34:49] <zmoto> [root@localhost docs]# cat INSTALL_FC5.txt
[23-Oct-2006 04:34:50] <zmoto> 1.) rpm -Uvh zen-rpms/*
[23-Oct-2006 04:34:59] <zmoto> where are those zen-rpms ?
[23-Oct-2006 04:35:02] <zmoto> any idea?
[23-Oct-2006 04:57:04] <kiddle> zmoto did you have sql installed?
[23-Oct-2006 05:03:19] <zmoto> i have mysql installed and running, kiddle
[23-Oct-2006 05:05:06] <zmoto> kiddle can you help ?
[23-Oct-2006 05:05:41] <zmoto> I've joined this channel about two hours ago and since then i've been trying to make zenoss to work
[23-Oct-2006 05:23:09] <zmoto> nice support
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[23-Oct-2006 06:30:50] * Xyo welcomes all
[23-Oct-2006 06:32:13] <Xyo> I have a question about virtual appliance: is it limited somehow compared with normal instalation? Becouse I can't find how to monitor processess
[23-Oct-2006 06:37:08] <Xyo> Or is it possible to find more detailed documentation than Admin guide?
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[23-Oct-2006 10:41:27] <kiddle> who's stevem ?
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[23-Oct-2006 11:28:17] <skel> anyone installed zenoss on ubuntu? I got snmpd but can't find any snmpconfig program?
[23-Oct-2006 11:34:58] <joeboo> I installed zenoss on unbuntu on parallels but i did not look for snmpconfig
[23-Oct-2006 11:35:26] <joeboo> There's no /etc/snmpd.conf
[23-Oct-2006 11:40:37] <skel> there is, I'm just unfamiliar with how to configure it
[23-Oct-2006 11:41:00] <skel> do I need to bother? I need to enable public something
[23-Oct-2006 11:48:26] <joeboo> the file should contain @ a min "rocommunity" <tab> "community name"
[23-Oct-2006 11:48:43] <joeboo> and with that you should be able to discover your host
[23-Oct-2006 11:51:19] <skel> ok thanks =]
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[23-Oct-2006 14:22:51] <uncoded> Hi All, someone get this error when install the zenoss? " unable to create the initial Zenoss object database" ?
[23-Oct-2006 14:25:03] <_chris_> uncoded: do you have your ZENHOME set?
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[23-Oct-2006 14:27:26] <uncoded> _chris_, not .
[23-Oct-2006 14:27:49] <_chris_> uncoded: i'm not sure i understand.
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[23-Oct-2006 14:51:03] <uncoded> _chris_, I'm looking the zenbuild.log, and I getting the message -> http://pastebin.com/812096
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[24-Oct-2006 03:59:00] <kippi> hey
[24-Oct-2006 03:59:14] <kippi> I am getting this error when starting zenoss zopectl zenoss is not allowed to run sudo on network. Any ideas?
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[24-Oct-2006 06:59:21] <kippi> hey
[24-Oct-2006 06:59:25] <kippi> is anyone around?
[24-Oct-2006 06:59:46] <kippi> I am getting this error list index out of range when setting up e-mail alerts
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[24-Oct-2006 10:09:53] <kippi> I am getting this error list index out of range when setting up e-mail alerts
[24-Oct-2006 10:09:58] <kippi> any ideas?
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[24-Oct-2006 15:53:30] <kippi> I am getting this error list index out of range when setting up e-mail alerts, anyideas?
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[25-Oct-2006 05:42:15] <kippi> I am getting this error list index out of range when setting up e-mail alerts, anyideas?
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[25-Oct-2006 10:51:16] <skel> can zenoss monitor the availability and performance of a j2ee platform/app?
[25-Oct-2006 10:54:17] <skel> I'm guessing I'll need some sort of snmp2jmx java app to run in the containers I want to monitor
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[25-Oct-2006 16:28:22] <skel> anyone around?
[25-Oct-2006 16:28:38] <skel> I've got some zenoss/snmp/java questions =D
[25-Oct-2006 16:33:09] <skel> basically.. I've started up jboss with the 1.5 jdk enabling the built-in snmpv2 agent in java
[25-Oct-2006 16:33:38] <skel> I've stopped the win2k3 snmp serverices and I can remotely do an snmpwalk of my jboss server on that box
[25-Oct-2006 16:34:29] <skel> but when I try to add that jboss as a device, it says no snmp found for the host I'm trying to add
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[25-Oct-2006 19:38:16] <lunix-aus> hello all
[25-Oct-2006 19:43:06] <nictuku> hi
[25-Oct-2006 19:51:23] <lunix-aus> is there a zenoss forum ?
[25-Oct-2006 19:51:44] <lunix-aus> just something I find helpfull when I have questions.
[25-Oct-2006 20:03:26] <nictuku> i believe there is
[25-Oct-2006 20:27:43] <lunix-aus> mmm I couldnt find it.
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[26-Oct-2006 09:37:01] <kippi> I am getting this error list index out of range when setting up e-mail alerts, anyideas?
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[26-Oct-2006 10:58:49] <joeboo> i have not seen that in the email alerts
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[26-Oct-2006 16:40:24] <Nickola> hello.
[26-Oct-2006 16:41:29] <Nickola> I would like to talk to someone about zenoss versus nagios.
[26-Oct-2006 16:41:34] <Nickola> I am currently using nagios.
[26-Oct-2006 16:41:47] <Nickola> and someone sent me the zenoss url.
[26-Oct-2006 16:41:52] <Nickola> It looks good.
[26-Oct-2006 16:46:33] <Nickola> oops...be back later.
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[26-Oct-2006 19:02:41] <zarrelli> hi
[26-Oct-2006 19:02:51] <zarrelli> anyone around?
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[27-Oct-2006 00:26:16] <Familiarrock> is zenwin necessary for any monitoring stats on win box's?
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[27-Oct-2006 12:11:00] <jcaum> i have a question about zenwin
[27-Oct-2006 12:11:38] <jcaum> when i run the test for zeneventlog.py it appears to return errors
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[27-Oct-2006 13:44:11] <superjon> Zen has a thing called ZenRRD for stats, RRD averages stats overtime. Would it be possible to keep statistics (using ZenRRD) at 5 minute detail for thousands of hosts and not tank Zen?
[27-Oct-2006 13:46:10] <superjon> My company is looking at migrating from a larg-ish nagios installation to something else. ZenOSS looks like it fits most of the requirements. Is anyone available to comment?
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[27-Oct-2006 14:05:06] <creiht> superjon: It is my understanding that it is possible, and being done currently, though I personally do not have experience with that yet
[27-Oct-2006 14:05:31] <creiht> superjon: It would also probably depend on if by thousands you mean something like 2000 or 10000
[27-Oct-2006 14:05:44] <superjon> Well ~4000
[27-Oct-2006 14:06:01] <superjon> But will soon be growing to ~9000
[27-Oct-2006 14:06:40] <creiht> superjon: Weird side point... Are you in San Antonio?
[27-Oct-2006 14:06:52] <superjon> No, Los Angeles
[27-Oct-2006 14:07:01] <superjon> But our hosts are all over the world
[27-Oct-2006 14:07:28] <creiht> heh... When I go to tmcs.net it took me to sananonio.citysearch.com
[27-Oct-2006 14:07:54] <superjon> tmcs = ticketmaster / citysearch
[27-Oct-2006 14:08:00] <creiht> ahh cool
[27-Oct-2006 14:08:08] <superjon> We used to be very close with citysearch but not so much anymore
[27-Oct-2006 14:08:13] <superjon> this is ticketmaster only
[27-Oct-2006 14:08:21] <superjon> And we HQ in Los Angeles
[27-Oct-2006 14:08:30] <superjon> W Hollywood to be exact
[27-Oct-2006 14:09:13] <superjon> Nagios has this idea of "dependencies". If one check fails it stops and does ALL of the rest of the checks synchronously. This takes ages for our hosts and is an architectural flaw in nagios. Can Zen do things like this asynch?
[27-Oct-2006 14:09:34] <creiht> Anyways... I would send an email to Erik Dahl (edahl@zenoss.com) with a bit more specifics of what you are wanting to do and he should be able to give you and idea of what it will take
[27-Oct-2006 14:10:29] <creiht> superjon: I don't know enough of the internals to be able to answer that
[27-Oct-2006 14:10:51] <creiht> I do know that the polling code is based on twisted, so that would lead me to believe that it is asynch
[27-Oct-2006 14:10:57] <superjon> Ok, thanks
[27-Oct-2006 14:11:04] <superjon> Twisted is a great networking library
[27-Oct-2006 14:11:09] <creiht> agreed
[27-Oct-2006 14:11:09] <superjon> And using dojo in the gui is really nice
[27-Oct-2006 14:11:18] <superjon> (ajax)
[27-Oct-2006 14:11:25] <creiht> (I know)
[27-Oct-2006 14:11:26] <creiht>
[27-Oct-2006 14:11:54] <superjon> I was hoping some more ZenOss devs would be on this channel
[27-Oct-2006 14:12:31] <creiht> We were looking at monitoring about 5K nodes per zenoss install, and that seemed like it was going to be very doable
[27-Oct-2006 14:12:40] <creiht> unfortunatly that project seems to have stalled
[27-Oct-2006 14:12:46] <creiht> They used to be on here a lot
[27-Oct-2006 14:13:02] <creiht> But they have gotten very busy, so they are not on so much
[27-Oct-2006 14:13:18] <creiht> Your best bet is either a direct email, or an email to the mailing list
[27-Oct-2006 14:13:40] <creiht> I've always gotten quick responses from them
[27-Oct-2006 14:17:27] <superjon> Ok, thanks for the help
[27-Oct-2006 14:17:47] <superjon> Well do you have any pros / cons of zenoss you would care to share with me?
[27-Oct-2006 14:18:29] <creiht> Pros:
[27-Oct-2006 14:18:51] <creiht> (Note that I do not have nagios experience, but I'm coming from using OpenNMS)
[27-Oct-2006 14:18:54] <creiht> Easy to install
[27-Oct-2006 14:18:59] <creiht> Easy to manage
[27-Oct-2006 14:19:36] <creiht> I hear that it is more scalable than Nagios
[27-Oct-2006 14:20:10] <creiht> There seem to be a lot of little things that make it nice
[27-Oct-2006 14:20:27] <creiht> I really like the idea of having monitoring templates
[27-Oct-2006 14:20:43] <creiht> So for most things you don't have to go configure what you want to monitor for every box
[27-Oct-2006 14:21:25] <creiht> It monitors itself, so that it alerts you if there is anything going wrong with the various processes that run
[27-Oct-2006 14:21:35] <creiht> Cons:
[27-Oct-2006 14:21:47] <creiht> Isn't quite as scalable as OpenNMS is
[27-Oct-2006 14:22:29] <creiht> The service level monitoring isn't quite what I would like (though they are in the process of making it better)
[27-Oct-2006 14:22:50] <superjon> And can you compare it to opennms. We are also looking at that.
[27-Oct-2006 14:23:01] <superjon> Why is it "not as scalable as opennms"?
[27-Oct-2006 14:23:33] <creiht> I"m not completly sure as to why
[27-Oct-2006 14:23:59] <creiht> But I know OpenNMS can scale to somewhere in the vicinity of 50K devices being monitored
[27-Oct-2006 14:24:07] <creiht> On one machine
[27-Oct-2006 14:24:11] <superjon> And zenoss can't?
[27-Oct-2006 14:24:33] <creiht> Well part of the problem I think is that they don't know for sure
[27-Oct-2006 14:24:56] <creiht> As they don't have any customers that large yet
[27-Oct-2006 14:25:43] <creiht> The problems with opennms are
[27-Oct-2006 14:25:50] <creiht> It is a royal pain to get installed
[27-Oct-2006 14:25:56] <creiht> Configuration is a pain
[27-Oct-2006 14:26:03] <creiht> (All configuration is in XML files)
[27-Oct-2006 14:26:09] <creiht> well most of it is
[27-Oct-2006 14:26:23] <creiht> If you change configuration, you have to restart Opennms
[27-Oct-2006 14:26:33] <creiht> General management is a pain
[27-Oct-2006 14:26:44] <creiht> Once you have it configured and working, it works very well
[27-Oct-2006 14:26:47] <creiht> And is very stable
[27-Oct-2006 14:26:54] <creiht> OpenNMS is a very good tool
[27-Oct-2006 14:27:06] <creiht> It just depends on what you need
[27-Oct-2006 14:27:16] <creiht> I needed something that was going to be much easier to maintain
[27-Oct-2006 14:27:27] <creiht> And that's what brought me to Zenoss
[27-Oct-2006 14:28:06] <creiht> Like the zenoss guys, the devs for OpenNMS are also a great group of guys
[27-Oct-2006 14:28:35] <creiht> It might also be a good thing to note that I know OpenNMS has been working on some of their UI issues
[27-Oct-2006 14:28:54] <creiht> And I know that Zenoss will alwyas be working on performance
[27-Oct-2006 14:28:54] <creiht>
[27-Oct-2006 14:29:19] <creiht> But for my current needs Zenoss is in that sweet spot
[27-Oct-2006 14:30:46] <creiht> I'm currently using it to monitor a little less than 100 devices
[27-Oct-2006 14:30:58] <creiht> That include development servers, and production devices
[27-Oct-2006 14:31:01] <superjon> Well I forgot to think of the thousands of network devices
[27-Oct-2006 14:31:29] <superjon> The ~4000 devices are linux servers. Forgetting the SAN devices, switches, and cisco gear would raise that number up a bit
[27-Oct-2006 14:31:31] <creiht> We also currently use OpenNMS to monitor our network
[27-Oct-2006 14:32:15] <creiht> I was working on getting them to take a look at Zenoss, but it looks like the whole company is going with something else
[27-Oct-2006 14:33:02] <creiht> I know that for sure OpenNMS will handle monitoring that, though it is going to be a bit more of a pain to get going, and to maintain
[27-Oct-2006 14:33:23] <creiht> I'm willing to bet that Zenoss would be able to handle it, but would be much easier to set up and to use
[27-Oct-2006 14:33:28] <superjon> So that means it is out
[27-Oct-2006 14:33:34] <superjon> Do you think ZenOSS could?
[27-Oct-2006 14:34:03] <superjon> We have a several boxes for monitoring in each cluster
[27-Oct-2006 14:34:22] <creiht> cluster?
[27-Oct-2006 14:34:32] <creiht> So you wouldn't need one box to monitor it all?
[27-Oct-2006 14:34:34] <superjon> Dont worry about it
[27-Oct-2006 14:34:47] <superjon> That is a single point of failure, are you kidding?
[27-Oct-2006 14:34:49] <creiht> or are you monitoring clusters
[27-Oct-2006 14:34:54] <creiht> hehe
[27-Oct-2006 14:35:10] <superjon> Well our infrastructure is made up of many clusters of servers
[27-Oct-2006 14:35:27] <creiht> How many servers on average for each cluster?
[27-Oct-2006 14:35:30] <superjon> Each cluster has some dedicated monitoring boxen
[27-Oct-2006 14:35:32] <superjon> Depends
[27-Oct-2006 14:35:37] <superjon> 60-500
[27-Oct-2006 14:35:50] <creiht> Zenoss could definately handle that
[27-Oct-2006 14:36:09] <creiht> The thing that it currently doesn't have is a MOM type setup
[27-Oct-2006 14:36:16] <superjon> MOM?
[27-Oct-2006 14:36:32] <creiht> Where you have a single interface into all the different monitoring setups
[27-Oct-2006 14:36:36] <creiht> Monitor of Monitors
[27-Oct-2006 14:36:45] <superjon> Like prelude is to IDS
[27-Oct-2006 14:36:57] <superjon> So I can't have nagios agents report to ZenOSS
[27-Oct-2006 14:37:04] <creiht> yes you can
[27-Oct-2006 14:37:13] <superjon> That alone makes it worth looking into
[27-Oct-2006 14:37:14] <creiht> Zenoss has nagios agent support
[27-Oct-2006 14:37:47] <creiht> The easiest thing to do is to try out their VM image that already has it set up
[27-Oct-2006 14:37:57] <superjon> Yeah I just downloaded it
[27-Oct-2006 14:37:59] <superjon> Thanks
[27-Oct-2006 14:38:10] <creiht> cool
[27-Oct-2006 14:38:16] <superjon> vmware player is vmwares gift to all ISVs
[27-Oct-2006 14:38:25] <creiht> yes indeed
[27-Oct-2006 14:52:23] <b_52Centos> creiht, what do you think about zabbix VS Zenoss ?
[27-Oct-2006 14:53:41] <superjon> Zabbix is pretty, but it has a major problem, it is *too* flexible. To make its main dashboard display useful information for our organization, it would need to be heavily customized
[27-Oct-2006 14:54:43] <b_52Centos> hm ok
[27-Oct-2006 14:54:55] <b_52Centos> add that he is php based
:d[27-Oct-2006 14:56:01] <superjon> That isn't really an issue so long as it works well
[27-Oct-2006 14:56:10] <superjon> Zabbix is a very nice system, but it is just too flexible
[27-Oct-2006 14:57:52] <b_52Centos> ok ! in the other hand zenoss appear to be much complex for customization ( Zope /ZODB ...)
[27-Oct-2006 15:01:58] <superjon> I mean the interface
[27-Oct-2006 15:02:12] <superjon> Zenoss looks like it has reasonable defaults
[27-Oct-2006 15:02:15] <superjon> Zabbix doesn't
[27-Oct-2006 15:02:18] <superjon> For my company
[27-Oct-2006 15:02:54] <b_52Centos> hm ok
[27-Oct-2006 15:22:03] <creiht> I haven't tried zabbix yet
[27-Oct-2006 15:22:19] <creiht> It was on my list of things to try... but I just really fell in love with Zenoss
[27-Oct-2006 15:22:34] <creiht> Plus the fact that Zenoss is in Python is a big win for me
[27-Oct-2006 15:23:46] <b_52Centos> python is wonderfull , zope & Co take more time to learn
[27-Oct-2006 15:24:35] <b_52Centos> but
[27-Oct-2006 15:24:37] <superjon> Its just another language. Its all for while do
[27-Oct-2006 15:24:51] <superjon> with forced whitespace
[27-Oct-2006 15:24:52] <creiht> heh
[27-Oct-2006 15:24:56] <b_52Centos> heh , yeah
[27-Oct-2006 15:28:21] <b_52Centos> but the big issue i think is still the docs , i mean for installing it tooke me more than it should
[27-Oct-2006 15:29:22] <creiht> They just hired a docs person, so that should get better... How long did it take you b_52Centos ? I had it up and running in a few hours.
[27-Oct-2006 15:31:16] <superjon> creiht: do you know the team personally?
[27-Oct-2006 15:31:59] <b_52Centos> creiht, 4/5 days , i try it under freebsd (i bake my freebsd box
.... ) then i switch to ubuntu , then things went better but after a long battle , and after it was a little bit hard to find my self ! , how to make run correctly , i leaft zenoss i try nagios (life is too short to pass in modifying conf files :d ..) and now i am back in zenoss [27-Oct-2006 15:32:16] <b_52Centos> 5 hours Vs 5 DAYS :d
[27-Oct-2006 15:32:39] <creiht> superjon: Erik came down to do a presentation to our company, and I have talked with him a couple times...
[27-Oct-2006 15:33:13] <creiht> b_52Centos: Wow... that is quite a bit of time... what problems do you end up running into?
[27-Oct-2006 15:33:16] <superjon> creiht: So I guess it wouldn't be difficult to get ZenOSS to give us a product demonstration?
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[27-Oct-2006 15:33:42] <creiht> I've installed on both Ubuntu and Redhat with few problems
[27-Oct-2006 15:33:51] <creiht> superjon: Email him and ask
[27-Oct-2006 15:34:47] <superjon> Thanks a ton for the info
[27-Oct-2006 15:35:02] <creiht> superjon: I think it might also depend if you are looking at paying for support
[27-Oct-2006 15:35:07] <creiht> superjon: np
[27-Oct-2006 15:35:49] <superjon> Well last year, we sold $5billion worth of tickets. Paying for support is not a problem :-D
[27-Oct-2006 15:35:55] <b_52Centos> creiht, well , it was just install problem i don't remeber all of them but what i remeber that answers were hard to get and a forum will help a lot :d , the mailling list is quite a mass
[27-Oct-2006 15:35:59] <superjon> This year, we've already surpassed last year
[27-Oct-2006 15:36:23] <b_52Centos> superjon, can i ask where you work ? :d
[27-Oct-2006 15:37:08] <superjon> brb, lunch
[27-Oct-2006 15:37:37] <superjon> www.ticketmaster.com
[27-Oct-2006 15:37:37] <b_52Centos> ok
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[27-Oct-2006 15:48:00] <edahl> superjon: you still around?
[27-Oct-2006 15:50:01] <b_52Centos> edahl, hi , he will be right back i think ! (lunch ...) :d
[27-Oct-2006 15:50:13] <edahl> cool
[27-Oct-2006 15:55:49] <tristanbob> creiht: watching your conversation with superjon makes me want to try zenoss before zabbix
[27-Oct-2006 15:55:57] <tristanbob> I have had my eye on those two
[27-Oct-2006 15:56:15] <tristanbob> perhaps also the open source version of groundwork (nagios) - anyone tried that?
[27-Oct-2006 15:56:26] <b_52Centos> tristanbob, can yu point me to the conversation ?
[27-Oct-2006 15:57:57] <tristanbob> you shoudl see it in your IRC log - that is where I see it
[27-Oct-2006 15:59:20] <b_52Centos> err ok
[27-Oct-2006 16:02:27] <tristanbob> creiht: one advantage of zenoss is that it recently got some venture capital funding
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[27-Oct-2006 16:06:33] <oubiwann> tristanbob: nagios is Teh Suck
[27-Oct-2006 16:06:44] <oubiwann> tristanbob: you want Zenoss :-)
[27-Oct-2006 16:06:51] <b_52Centos> heh
[27-Oct-2006 16:06:56] <tristanbob>
I am going to test the vmware image today[27-Oct-2006 16:07:14] <oubiwann> tristanbob: nice
[27-Oct-2006 16:08:18] <tristanbob> oubiwann: how long you been using zen?
[27-Oct-2006 16:08:51] <oubiwann> since May -- but I'm a developer
[27-Oct-2006 16:09:07] <oubiwann> caveat emptor and all that ;-)
[27-Oct-2006 16:09:56] <oubiwann> but I've been using and writing monitoring tools since the late 90s
[27-Oct-2006 16:10:22] <oubiwann> used NetSaint and Nagios a great deal at a hosting company in 2002-2003
[27-Oct-2006 16:10:31] <oubiwann> it made me so crazy I wrote my own
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[27-Oct-2006 16:15:39] <creiht> edahl_: !!!!!!
[27-Oct-2006 16:16:48] <tristanbob> oubiwann: thanks for the info - and for your work on zenoss!
[27-Oct-2006 16:17:10] <tristanbob> oubiwann: I just started up the vmware image - now what? go to port 80 on that DHCP-acquired address?
[27-Oct-2006 16:17:21] <oubiwann> tristanbob: hey, man -- no prob! we've got a killer team... I wish every developer could be so lucky!
[27-Oct-2006 16:18:22] <tristanbob> it paused a LONG time on zenoss-install - now it is moving on
[27-Oct-2006 16:18:57] <oubiwann> tristanbob: yeah, you wouldn't believe all the work it's doing quietly during the install :-)
[27-Oct-2006 16:19:26] <tristanbob> looks like port 8080
[27-Oct-2006 16:19:35] <tristanbob> why not https?
[27-Oct-2006 16:19:50] <oubiwann> tristanbob: most folks don't need that
[27-Oct-2006 16:20:08] <oubiwann> tristanbob: zenoss tends to be run on internal, trusted networks
[27-Oct-2006 16:20:15] <oubiwann> but you can run it with https if you want
[27-Oct-2006 16:20:20] <oubiwann> there are instructions on the wiki
[27-Oct-2006 16:20:39] <tristanbob> oubiwann: I understand. Yes, I will probably add HTTPS on the final install
[27-Oct-2006 16:21:26] <tristanbob> perhaps you should list the default username and password on the vmware console prompt (don't tell me, I will look it up)
[27-Oct-2006 16:23:09] <edahl_> creiht: i'm here
[27-Oct-2006 16:23:10] <edahl_>
[27-Oct-2006 16:23:26] <creiht> hehe... It's good to see you guys around
[27-Oct-2006 16:23:40] <edahl_> busy busy busy
[27-Oct-2006 16:23:42] <edahl_>
[27-Oct-2006 16:26:56] <tristanbob> ok, I am in the web-admin for the first time - now I just add devices one-by-one?
[27-Oct-2006 16:28:00] <creiht> So I have a tiny request I just thought about this morning. It would be nice to have a comments field when you make changes. For example if I turn http monitoring off for a device it would be nice to have a comments field so that 4 months later when I see it not monitored, and I ask my self, "Why in the world did I do that" I would know
[27-Oct-2006 16:29:35] <edahl_> hum
[27-Oct-2006 16:29:38] <edahl_> I like the idea
[27-Oct-2006 16:30:24] <edahl_> like a log that is attached to each device? or device organizer (system location etc)
[27-Oct-2006 16:30:36] <creiht> Yeah that would be cool
[27-Oct-2006 16:30:47] <creiht> It would be even more helpful when there are many hands in the pot
[27-Oct-2006 16:30:58] <edahl_> sure
[27-Oct-2006 16:31:04] <creiht> So if my coworker had made a change, hopefully he had left a comment as to why
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[27-Oct-2006 16:33:48] <creiht> edahl_: Any word on to how much longer before the improved service monitoring?
[27-Oct-2006 16:34:09] <edahl_> like URL testing?
[27-Oct-2006 16:34:24] <creiht> yes
[27-Oct-2006 16:36:54] <edahl_> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/476
[27-Oct-2006 16:36:54] <adytum-bot> Title: #476 (add threaded forums that are attached to devices or device organizer.) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[27-Oct-2006 16:37:00] <edahl_> ticket for log tracking
[27-Oct-2006 16:37:06] <creiht> cool
[27-Oct-2006 16:37:32] <edahl_> once we get 1.0 out we will redouble our service testing stuff
[27-Oct-2006 16:37:43] <creiht> cool
[27-Oct-2006 16:37:51] <edahl_> we are working on a way to do transactional testing of web apps
[27-Oct-2006 16:38:02] <creiht> very cool
[27-Oct-2006 16:38:08] <edahl_> ie login, goto a page fill out form etc
[27-Oct-2006 16:38:17] <creiht> right... like SiteScope
[27-Oct-2006 16:38:45] <edahl_> basically we want to replicate all sitescope features
[27-Oct-2006 16:38:53] <edahl_> in the long run'
[27-Oct-2006 16:39:20] <creiht> cool... But none of the Sitescope mess
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[27-Oct-2006 17:01:42] <superjon> edahl: ping
[27-Oct-2006 17:01:46] <edahl> yep
[27-Oct-2006 17:01:50] <superjon> You work for ZenOSS, right?
[27-Oct-2006 17:01:53] <edahl> yep
[27-Oct-2006 17:01:59] <edahl> co-founder
[27-Oct-2006 17:02:00] <edahl>
[27-Oct-2006 17:02:01] <superjon> Excellent, mind if I ask you a few questions?
[27-Oct-2006 17:02:07] <edahl> sure thing
[27-Oct-2006 17:02:38] <superjon> My company specced out a monitoring solution that would work for all of our sysadmin groups a year ago (to build inhouse) and your architecture diagram looks basicly identical
[27-Oct-2006 17:03:03] <superjon> We are frustrated with some of nagios's design flaws and are looking at what else is available
[27-Oct-2006 17:03:25] <superjon> For a lot of devices. Somewhere between 4k - 9k
[27-Oct-2006 17:03:45] <superjon> How scalable is zenoss?
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:04] <edahl> well the parts can be distributed across many boxe
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:05] <edahl> s
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:22] <edahl> the highest load is the performance collector
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:25] <superjon> We have dedicated monitoring boxen for each one of our clusters
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:26] <edahl> typically
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:40] <edahl> how many boxes per customer
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:54] <edahl> cluster
[27-Oct-2006 17:04:56] <edahl>
[27-Oct-2006 17:05:02] <superjon> That totally depends on the location
[27-Oct-2006 17:05:12] <superjon> Its worldwide
[27-Oct-2006 17:05:29] <edahl> 100 500? 1000?
[27-Oct-2006 17:05:42] <superjon> 30-400
[27-Oct-2006 17:05:50] <edahl> should be no problem
[27-Oct-2006 17:05:53] <superjon> It depends on their function
[27-Oct-2006 17:06:46] <superjon> A requirement is something rrdlike that does 5 minute statistics for every node monitored for 3+ years
[27-Oct-2006 17:06:58] <superjon> And RRD likes to round numbers overtime so thats no good
[27-Oct-2006 17:07:53] <superjon> Here is a major flaw with nagios... It has an idea of service dependencies when it does checks. If one fails, it starts doing every single following check synchronously in a row
[27-Oct-2006 17:07:59] <superjon> This takes ages for our thousands of boxen
[27-Oct-2006 17:08:35] <edahl> you can setup rrd to store as much as you like :
[27-Oct-2006 17:08:37] <edahl>
[27-Oct-2006 17:08:44] <edahl> just a question of disk space
[27-Oct-2006 17:08:57] <superjon> Stored on a san, thats no problem
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:00] <edahl> are checks are all async
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:21] <edahl> if ping fails we stop polling higher level tests
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:25] <superjon> So ZenOSS doesn't have that problem
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:31] <superjon> define ping
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:35] <edahl> if snmp fails we stop performance collection etc
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:39] <edahl> ping == ICMP
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:43] <superjon> What if you are monitoring hosts that the OS doesn't have a full tcpip stack
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:47] <superjon> And you need a custom ping
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:54] <superjon> Or maybe a tcp ping to go through a firewall
[27-Oct-2006 17:09:58] <edahl> hum example?
[27-Oct-2006 17:10:07] <edahl> goit
[27-Oct-2006 17:10:32] <superjon> Well we have specific (proprietary) devices that don't have tcp/ip stacks and only speak udp natively
[27-Oct-2006 17:10:41] <edahl> we can monitor a remote unix box using SSH
[27-Oct-2006 17:10:44] <superjon> They have special "ping" commands used to test if they are alive or not
[27-Oct-2006 17:11:08] <superjon> Could Zen treat a tcpping as a "ping"?
[27-Oct-2006 17:11:08] <edahl> you can setup a zencommand to do custom monitoring
[27-Oct-2006 17:11:25] <edahl> so you can run your special ping program
[27-Oct-2006 17:11:43] <superjon> How hard would it be to set up to work with an already existing nagios infrastructure?
[27-Oct-2006 17:11:45] <edahl> zencommand can use nagios or cacti plugin format
[27-Oct-2006 17:12:22] <edahl> install zencomand on nagios box and then add nagios config to zenoss db
[27-Oct-2006 17:12:33] <superjon> What do you mean by cacti plugin format?
[27-Oct-2006 17:12:33] <edahl> the plugins can be reused
[27-Oct-2006 17:12:44] <edahl> its an OSS performance collector
[27-Oct-2006 17:13:43] <superjon> Could you send me some information for "the suits"?
[27-Oct-2006 17:16:42] <superjon> Some of the guys look very interested in evaluating ZenOSS
[27-Oct-2006 17:17:02] <edahl> do you want to setup a call with them?
[27-Oct-2006 17:17:09] <edahl> its a good way to get started
[27-Oct-2006 17:18:52] <superjon> Our Director, (the guy you will liklely speak with), is on a cruise this week and next
[27-Oct-2006 17:19:04] <edahl> nice!
[27-Oct-2006 17:19:50] <edahl> drop me or steve (our sales guy) an email and we can set it up when he gets back
[27-Oct-2006 17:20:06] <superjon> Do you have any case study whitepapers or whatnot?
[27-Oct-2006 17:20:13] <superjon> That you could shoot my way?
[27-Oct-2006 17:20:28] <edahl> best today is the web site
[27-Oct-2006 17:20:33] <superjon> jeffrey.schroeder@ticketmaster.com
[27-Oct-2006 17:20:43] <edahl> I have product deck but I like to talk against it
[27-Oct-2006 17:20:57] <superjon> Meaning face to face?
[27-Oct-2006 17:21:04] <edahl> phone
[27-Oct-2006 17:21:07] <edahl> or webex
[27-Oct-2006 17:21:41] <superjon> webex is activex and most of our management were 'nix admins. That won'
[27-Oct-2006 17:21:43] <superjon> t work
[27-Oct-2006 17:21:52] <superjon> Activex doesn't work under linux
[27-Oct-2006 17:21:57] <edahl> java use it on my mac all the time
[27-Oct-2006 17:22:03] <edahl>
[27-Oct-2006 17:22:11] <edahl> think it will work on linux too
[27-Oct-2006 17:22:33] <superjon> Ok, well so I can talk to some of the guys, could you do me a favor?
[27-Oct-2006 17:22:51] <edahl> yep
[27-Oct-2006 17:22:55] <superjon> I'll send you and email and could you reply with ZenOSS vs nagios and ZenOSS vs OpenNMS
[27-Oct-2006 17:23:06] <superjon> Pro/con
[27-Oct-2006 17:23:08] <edahl> sounds good
[27-Oct-2006 17:23:17] <superjon> great, what is your email address?
[27-Oct-2006 17:23:24] <edahl> early next week
[27-Oct-2006 17:23:31] <edahl> sending you email address now...
[27-Oct-2006 17:23:43] <superjon> Thats understandable
[27-Oct-2006 17:24:45] <edahl> on its way
[27-Oct-2006 17:24:50] <superjon> ok
[27-Oct-2006 17:25:19] <superjon> rcvx. Thanks
[27-Oct-2006 17:26:00] <superjon> How big is the company? creiht mentioned you just hired a new guy for docs
[27-Oct-2006 17:26:08] <superjon> Just curious
[27-Oct-2006 17:27:02] <edahl> up to 16
[27-Oct-2006 17:27:03] <edahl> now
[27-Oct-2006 17:27:17] <creiht> Wow you guys have been busy
[27-Oct-2006 17:27:56] <edahl> yep
[27-Oct-2006 17:28:41] <superjon> How many developers?
[27-Oct-2006 17:28:42] <creiht> edahl: Are you guys going to have representation at Pycon?
[27-Oct-2006 17:29:50] <edahl> we are submitting to pycon
[27-Oct-2006 17:29:59] <creiht> cool
[27-Oct-2006 17:30:38] <edahl> we are also a platinum sponser
[27-Oct-2006 17:30:47] <creiht> That's awesome
[27-Oct-2006 17:31:05] <creiht> I should be there
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[27-Oct-2006 17:31:09] <edahl> cool
[27-Oct-2006 17:31:22] <superjon> Can zenoss run on mysql4, the rhel4 default?
[27-Oct-2006 17:31:46] <edahl> superjon: we are 100s of developers including all the sub projects we use
[27-Oct-2006 17:31:55] <superjon> Good answer
[27-Oct-2006 17:32:09] <edahl> mysql5 rhel4 rpm
[27-Oct-2006 17:32:18] <superjon> There are problems with that
[27-Oct-2006 17:32:25] <superjon> We have existing stuff that uses mysql4
[27-Oct-2006 17:32:50] <edahl> we use the trigger feature that is in 5
[27-Oct-2006 17:32:52] <superjon> And python 2.3.4
[27-Oct-2006 17:32:57] <superjon> So it won
[27-Oct-2006 17:32:59] <edahl> that's fine
[27-Oct-2006 17:33:04] <superjon> 't run in rhel4
[27-Oct-2006 17:33:06] <edahl> python that is
[27-Oct-2006 17:33:31] <edahl> rhel 4 is fine
[27-Oct-2006 17:33:46] <superjon> with mysql5
[27-Oct-2006 17:33:49] <edahl> we just announeced that we are redhat certified this week
[27-Oct-2006 17:33:52] <edahl> yep
[27-Oct-2006 17:34:04] <edahl> there is an rpm for mysql5
[27-Oct-2006 17:34:23] <superjon> That overwrites mysql4 and breaks existing stuff on our dev monitoring boxes
[27-Oct-2006 17:35:03] <edahl> isn't it backwards compatible?
[27-Oct-2006 17:35:08] <superjon> I'll just create a new vm in vmware esx server
[27-Oct-2006 17:35:13] <superjon> It won't matter then
[27-Oct-2006 17:37:18] <edahl> that works
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[27-Oct-2006 17:46:48] <superjon> What is the default login info?
[27-Oct-2006 17:50:33] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/FAQ#Whatisthedefaultloginfortheimage
[27-Oct-2006 17:50:33] <adytum-bot> Title: FAQ - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[27-Oct-2006 17:52:50] <superjon> I'm not using the vmware image
[27-Oct-2006 17:52:53] <superjon> I'm using the rpm
[27-Oct-2006 17:53:02] <superjon> And zenoss zenoss doesn't work
[27-Oct-2006 17:53:24] <creiht> I haven't installed from rpm
[27-Oct-2006 17:53:32] <creiht> Usuall the install asks you what you want to use
[27-Oct-2006 17:53:41] <creiht> Not sure what the rpm does
[27-Oct-2006 17:53:48] <lslatr> maybe admin zenoss?
[27-Oct-2006 17:54:09] <superjon> The rpm creates a user. I just need to set that password
[27-Oct-2006 17:56:12] <creiht> Have you tried a blank password?
[27-Oct-2006 17:56:37] <lslatr> maybe just set it as root?
[27-Oct-2006 17:57:21] <creiht> Are you talking about the system user, or the user to log into the web gui?
[27-Oct-2006 17:58:34] <superjon> Well the rpm creates a user
[27-Oct-2006 17:58:48] <superjon> I figured it out, dont worry about it
[27-Oct-2006 17:58:59] <superjon> Next question, how can I get it to autodiscover non snmp devices?
[27-Oct-2006 17:59:16] <superjon> Like zendisc all things running on port 80
[27-Oct-2006 17:59:26] <superjon> In x.x.x.x/24
[27-Oct-2006 18:00:11] <creiht> I know portscan is available as a discovery protocol, but I'm not sure how you limit to just one port
[27-Oct-2006 18:00:21] <superjon> Well how can you have it do portscans?
[27-Oct-2006 18:02:27] <creiht> Actually I'm not sure from the command line
[27-Oct-2006 18:02:41] <creiht> I do all my adds through the interface which gives you a discovery drop down
[27-Oct-2006 18:04:29] <creiht> I would guess otu se the --collect switch of zendisc, but not sure what to set it to... poking a little more...
[27-Oct-2006 18:05:49] <kiddle> hi eric. looking forward to the webex demo next week
[27-Oct-2006 18:08:13] <superjon> Well now there are a bunch of defunct mysql 4 processes
[27-Oct-2006 18:09:38] <creiht> superjon: I bet you do something like:
[27-Oct-2006 18:11:16] <creiht> $zenhome/bin/zendisc --collect=zenoss.portscan.IpServiceMap -net=x.x.x.x/24
[27-Oct-2006 18:12:08] <creiht> That will check for all services
[27-Oct-2006 18:12:19] <creiht> I think
[27-Oct-2006 18:17:54] <superjon> ok thanks
[27-Oct-2006 18:21:17] <superjon> What does, "Lost connection to ZenOSS database mean"?
[27-Oct-2006 18:23:53] <creiht> Did you check to see if MySQL is running?
[27-Oct-2006 18:24:06] <oubiwann> superjon: you're at the events page, right?
[27-Oct-2006 18:24:47] <oubiwann> events data is obtained via XHR
[27-Oct-2006 18:25:19] <oubiwann> if the JSON data (obtained from MySQL) is not available, that error will be printed
[27-Oct-2006 18:25:55] <superjon> Yeah, I installed the rpm and it is evil
[27-Oct-2006 18:26:13] <superjon> It doesn't seem to have access to the database schema it created
[27-Oct-2006 18:27:54] <oubiwann> sadly, I'm not the RPM dude... but! if you submit a ticket her, they will jump on it first thing tomorrow: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/newticket
[27-Oct-2006 18:27:54] <adytum-bot> Title: New Ticket - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[27-Oct-2006 18:28:15] <oubiwann> be sure to add your email to the CC field if you want to get status updates and notification of fixes
[27-Oct-2006 18:28:42] <oubiwann> Chris has been doing an awesome job with turn around on RPM bugs and feature requests
[27-Oct-2006 18:28:52] <superjon> ok
[27-Oct-2006 18:29:02] <oubiwann> oh, crap -- tomorrow's Saturday...
[27-Oct-2006 18:29:12] <oubiwann> so, he might not see it until Mon
[27-Oct-2006 18:30:23] <creiht> superjon: You might check the logs in $ZENHOME/log to see if any of those files reveal any error messages that might lead us to what is happening
[27-Oct-2006 18:30:38] <superjon> Nah, the problem was that mysql wasn't listening on localhost
[27-Oct-2006 18:30:44] <superjon> It was listening on a local socket
[27-Oct-2006 18:30:48] <superjon> zenoss should use that
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[27-Oct-2006 18:33:05] <superjon> creiht: zendisc --collect doesn't work
[27-Oct-2006 18:33:22] <creiht> hmmm what does it return
[27-Oct-2006 18:33:30] <superjon> /opt/zenoss/bin/zendiscc --collect
[27-Oct-2006 18:33:30] <superjon> Usage: ./zendisc {run|start|stop|restart|status|help}
[27-Oct-2006 18:33:43] <creiht> oh
[27-Oct-2006 18:33:48] <creiht> append run to the end of all that
[27-Oct-2006 18:33:50] <creiht> sorry
[27-Oct-2006 18:33:59] <creiht> run will run it once
[27-Oct-2006 18:34:18] <creiht> start will start it as a daemon re-discovering periodically
[27-Oct-2006 18:36:31] <superjon> ./zendisc --collect=zenoss.portscan.IpServiceMap -net=192.168.70.0/24 run
[27-Oct-2006 18:36:31] <superjon> Usage: ./zendisc {run|start|stop|restart|status|help}
[27-Oct-2006 18:36:48] <creiht> Try the run before the arguments then
[27-Oct-2006 18:36:56] <creiht> Sorry I don't use the command line tools very often
[27-Oct-2006 18:39:09] <superjon> ok now it is working
[27-Oct-2006 18:39:17] <superjon> When does the dashboard update?
[27-Oct-2006 18:39:45] <creiht> I think the dashboard reloads every 5 minutes or so
[27-Oct-2006 18:39:51] <creiht> You can click on devices on the left
[27-Oct-2006 18:39:58] <creiht> and then discovered
[27-Oct-2006 18:40:08] <creiht> And that is where new devices should show up
[27-Oct-2006 18:40:18] <creiht> Is it doing the portscanning that way as well?
[27-Oct-2006 18:43:43] <superjon> Well I did zendisc run
[27-Oct-2006 18:43:54] <superjon> It found 116 nodes on the class c net I have it
[27-Oct-2006 18:44:00] <superjon> And it is doing snmp on all of them
[27-Oct-2006 18:44:14] <superjon> Most of them are linux servers with some cisco and san gear throughout
[27-Oct-2006 18:44:24] <superjon> After that is done, I'll try to have it do a portscan
[27-Oct-2006 18:44:28] <creiht> cool
[27-Oct-2006 18:46:07] <tristanbob> do you recommend using SNMP on servers, or installing an agent?
[27-Oct-2006 18:47:56] <superjon> Question. I manually add in a cisco switch and put in it's snmp string. everything works. How can I get it to now graph the interface stats like cacti does?
[27-Oct-2006 18:48:02] <tristanbob> also - how do I start an autodiscovery on my entire network, searching for Cisco routers and switches?
[27-Oct-2006 18:48:30] <superjon> bin/zendisc run
[27-Oct-2006 18:50:17] <tristanbob> ok - how do I provide my SNMP password?
[27-Oct-2006 18:51:19] <tristanbob> superjon: and where is bin?
[27-Oct-2006 18:51:45] <superjon> well I installed the rpm and it is under /opt/zenoss
[27-Oct-2006 18:51:53] <superjon> cd to /opt/zenoss/bin
[27-Oct-2006 18:52:08] <tristanbob> hmm -I am using vmware image
[27-Oct-2006 18:52:12] <tristanbob> not in opt
[27-Oct-2006 18:52:46] <superjon> is the vmware image rpm based?
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:06] <tristanbob> /home/zenoss/
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:06] <superjon> if it is, do rpm -ql zenoss | grep bin
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:15] <superjon> well there you go
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:17] <tristanbob> it is running r-path linux
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:22] <tristanbob> find / | grep zenoss
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:24] <superjon> oh yuck
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:24] <tristanbob>
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:27] <superjon> damn conary
[27-Oct-2006 18:53:47] <tristanbob> superjon: so how do I provide my SNMP password?
[27-Oct-2006 18:54:08] <superjon> Well I manually added a device
[27-Oct-2006 18:55:44] <tristanbob> hmm - I am sure there is an easy answer to where I input my SNMP community
[27-Oct-2006 18:56:44] <tristanbob> /home/zenoss/etc/zendisc.conf is empty
[27-Oct-2006 19:02:21] <superjon> the portscan autodiscover was worthless
[27-Oct-2006 19:02:33] <superjon> It pinged the subnet, found 116 active ips, and then quit
[27-Oct-2006 19:02:44] <superjon> Adding nothing to the device list
[27-Oct-2006 19:04:34] <oubiwann> superjon: their big focus for the past couple years has been SNMP
[27-Oct-2006 19:04:53] <superjon> Well not all linux servers need to run snmp...
[27-Oct-2006 19:04:58] <oubiwann> and using that to scan, get devices, etc.
[27-Oct-2006 19:05:03] <oubiwann> yeah, I hear ya ;-)
[27-Oct-2006 19:05:28] <oubiwann> when I first started working with them, I had the same issues -- as I avoid SNMP like the plague
[27-Oct-2006 19:05:51] <oubiwann> they had me write a portscanner as a first step in greater support of non-SNMP boxes
[27-Oct-2006 19:06:04] <oubiwann> all it is is a service collector
[27-Oct-2006 19:06:15] <oubiwann> next on the list is adding devices from this
[27-Oct-2006 19:06:48] <superjon> So there is *no* way to do a portscan of all hosts returning in a pingscan and add those to the list?
[27-Oct-2006 19:06:54] <superjon> You've got to be kidding me, right?
[27-Oct-2006 19:07:28] <oubiwann> we had planned on doing this earlier, but there are a great number of subtle complications that crop up when doing this for the general case
[27-Oct-2006 19:07:37] <oubiwann> but you can do it programmatically
[27-Oct-2006 19:08:04] <oubiwann> in fact, I could probably help you do that right now, if you're interested
[27-Oct-2006 19:08:23] <superjon> Well that is what I'm trying to do right now
[27-Oct-2006 19:08:32] <superjon> Because my linux servers don't and shouldn't all run snmpd
[27-Oct-2006 19:08:47] <oubiwann> my personal view as well :-)
[27-Oct-2006 19:08:49] <oubiwann> how's your python?
[27-Oct-2006 19:08:53] <superjon> not
[27-Oct-2006 19:09:02] <superjon> And how can I specify the community string for devices it finds?
[27-Oct-2006 19:09:11] <oubiwann> no biggie -- we can work together on the python stuff
[27-Oct-2006 19:09:24] <superjon> Perl / bourne shell all the way
[27-Oct-2006 19:09:28] <superjon> python is new
[27-Oct-2006 19:09:51] <oubiwann> erm, I'm not the snmp guy :-( don't know about that. There's some snmp stuff on the FAQ that might provide clueful, though
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:05] <oubiwann> how big is your network?
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:18] <oubiwann> for what you're trying to add right now, anyway
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:24] <superjon> Well I am testing this on a dev class C
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:29] <superjon> But our whole network is massive
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:36] <superjon> global
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:46] <oubiwann> right, lets just focus on the dev class C ;-)
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:52] <superjon> yes, lets
[27-Oct-2006 19:10:54] <oubiwann> heh
[27-Oct-2006 19:11:10] <superjon> --collect=COLLECTPLUGINS
[27-Oct-2006 19:11:10] <superjon> Comma separated list of collection maps to use
[27-Oct-2006 19:11:32] <superjon> Trying to put the portscan plugin completely died
[27-Oct-2006 19:14:23] <oubiwann> are your linux hosts behind a router, from the perspective of your zenoss install?
[27-Oct-2006 19:14:36] <oubiwann> or same net?
[27-Oct-2006 19:15:08] <superjon> same
[27-Oct-2006 19:15:16] <oubiwann> cool, so ICMP won't be a problem
[27-Oct-2006 19:15:28] <creiht> tristanbob: If you open up the web UI, and click on the Devices view and the the zProperties tab
[27-Oct-2006 19:15:51] <creiht> You can add your communities to the zSnmpCommunities field
[27-Oct-2006 19:16:16] <creiht> It should try all of the communities there before giving up
[27-Oct-2006 19:16:28] <creiht> I'm out... Ya'll have a good weekend
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[27-Oct-2006 19:18:01] <superjon> Somewhere, I added zenoss.portscan.IpServiceMap under the zProperties tab where it says zCollectors or something like that
[27-Oct-2006 19:18:09] <superjon> Now I ran zendisc run and it seems to be working
[27-Oct-2006 19:18:14] <superjon> scanning and finding servers with ssh
[27-Oct-2006 19:20:06] <superjon> It is under Devices --> Properties --> zCollectorCollectPlugins and I added zenoss.portscan.IpServiceMap. That seems to work perfectly
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[27-Oct-2006 19:23:59] <oubiwann> it's getting devices and everything?!
[27-Oct-2006 19:29:10] <superjon> Yeah, but they are all running snmp
[27-Oct-2006 19:29:22] <superjon> Some of our linux servers run snmp, mabye about 2 dozen
[27-Oct-2006 19:29:34] <superjon> How can I say, monitor service foo on port foo with a tcp connect()
[27-Oct-2006 19:35:17] <superjon> After adding a monitor for ssh on a box that has ssh, it says, "None" under status. Why is that?
[27-Oct-2006 19:48:45] <oubiwann> hey, man -- sorry been away
[27-Oct-2006 19:48:50] <oubiwann> (Reading back...)
[27-Oct-2006 19:49:20] <oubiwann> I'm gonna have to disappoint -- I really don't know the UI at all :-( all my time is spend deep in the internals
[27-Oct-2006 19:50:10] <oubiwann> it's too bad creiht's not still around; he's spent lots of time in the UI
[27-Oct-2006 19:52:54] <superjon> Well it just seems like it's impossible to get a simple ssh monitor working
[27-Oct-2006 19:52:56] <superjon>
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[27-Oct-2006 19:54:02] <oubiwann> it's not... I've actually done that
[27-Oct-2006 19:54:31] <oubiwann> I put something in the FAQ about router tables (when you don't have ssh)
[27-Oct-2006 19:54:34] <oubiwann> (getting link)
[27-Oct-2006 19:55:12] <oubiwann> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/FAQ#HowdoIensurethatdevicesgetroutes
[27-Oct-2006 19:55:12] <adytum-bot> Title: FAQ - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[27-Oct-2006 19:55:22] <oubiwann> doing that requires working ssh monitoring
[27-Oct-2006 19:55:33] <oubiwann> uh, that was badly said...
[27-Oct-2006 19:55:50] <oubiwann> what I mean is that the steps provided there are the same steps (fulfill the same requirements) for ssh monitoring
[27-Oct-2006 19:57:45] <oubiwann> hey man, I gotta bail. I'll be on this weekend, though
[27-Oct-2006 19:58:47] <oubiwann> hang in there ;-) The UI is *really* complicated (due to all the features it provides); everyone who's stuck with it through the initial learning curve has been delighted with the power, flexibility, and scalability
[27-Oct-2006 19:59:05] <oubiwann> there are also some forth-coming screencasts
[27-Oct-2006 19:59:18] <oubiwann> which I personally look forward to greatly
[27-Oct-2006 19:59:19] <oubiwann> I
[27-Oct-2006 19:59:28] <oubiwann> I'm UI-disabled ;-)
[27-Oct-2006 19:59:43] <superjon> ha
[27-Oct-2006 19:59:45] <superjon> Ok, thanks
[27-Oct-2006 20:00:29] <oubiwann> you bet -- sorry I couldn't be more help; on Monday, be sure to catch edahl -- he's the author and GUI master; he'll totally get you hooked up
[27-Oct-2006 20:00:44] <oubiwann> catchya later
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[28-Oct-2006 04:05:01] <coML> hi
[28-Oct-2006 04:05:47] <coML> halli everyone
[28-Oct-2006 04:05:52] <sheraz> hi
[28-Oct-2006 04:06:50] <coML> can you help me ?
[28-Oct-2006 04:06:59] <coML> i want ask you something about zenoss
[28-Oct-2006 04:07:39] <coML> there`s anyone know about zenoss
[28-Oct-2006 04:07:58] <sheraz> Sure if i can
[28-Oct-2006 04:08:56] <coML> thx ... what developement methodology
[28-Oct-2006 04:09:01] <coML> for zenoss
[28-Oct-2006 04:09:28] <sheraz> oh...Pal sorry i m not a development guy
[28-Oct-2006 04:09:43] <sheraz> I think u better ask chris
[28-Oct-2006 04:09:50] <coML> owh thx
[28-Oct-2006 04:11:12] <coML> sheraz ... are you using zenoss ?
[28-Oct-2006 04:11:30] <sheraz> yea.....for a consiiderable time.......
[28-Oct-2006 04:11:46] <sheraz> multiple time installed differnt versions :-)
[28-Oct-2006 04:12:00] <coML> i see .. i`m using too for monitoring in government project
[28-Oct-2006 04:12:18] <coML> so i wanna know more for zenoss
[28-Oct-2006 04:12:45] <coML> i`m newbie for zenoss
[28-Oct-2006 04:13:22] <sheraz> i will help u as much i can ....i think... btw i m too in a gov project :-)
[28-Oct-2006 04:14:00] <coML> owh .. same as me
[28-Oct-2006 04:14:40] <coML> do you know about zenoss diagram (DFD)
[28-Oct-2006 04:14:58] <sheraz> DFD????
[28-Oct-2006 04:15:00] <coML> architecture i can see in intrenet
[28-Oct-2006 04:15:08] <coML> but database for zenos
[28-Oct-2006 04:15:15] <coML> how`s that
[28-Oct-2006 04:15:27] <sheraz> as much as i ev understood
[28-Oct-2006 04:15:43] <sheraz> it keeps live events in Mysql memory table
[28-Oct-2006 04:16:13] <sheraz> which could then be moved to history table
[28-Oct-2006 04:16:31] <sheraz> therez a table called events
[28-Oct-2006 04:16:59] <coML> owh
[28-Oct-2006 04:17:02] <sheraz> it stores the events (as name sugessests)
[28-Oct-2006 04:20:02] <sheraz> zope data base which i havent understood ... stoes the modeling info
[28-Oct-2006 04:20:14] <sheraz> i mean device models...
[28-Oct-2006 04:20:25] <sheraz> bt i m not sure about it
[28-Oct-2006 04:20:36] <coML> i`m reading about zope ...
[28-Oct-2006 04:23:27] <sheraz> brb
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[28-Oct-2006 07:12:58] <sheraz> hey... anyone there??
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[29-Oct-2006 18:18:04] <KillMeNow> anyone actually at their keyboards?
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[30-Oct-2006 00:41:57] <sheraz> hi
[30-Oct-2006 00:42:38] <sheraz> anyone knows how to customize the RRD graphs or where could i find the commands to congiure the RRD graps template
[30-Oct-2006 00:51:56] <lunix-aus> hi from what I have worked out this chan doesnt come alive till later on
[30-Oct-2006 00:52:00] <lunix-aus> something about timezones
[30-Oct-2006 00:53:40] <sheraz> ??
[30-Oct-2006 01:01:52] <lunix-aus> well it is not daytime for most people in this chanel.
[30-Oct-2006 01:02:00] <lunix-aus> i am only guessing
[30-Oct-2006 01:02:22] <lunix-aus> I am in australia. and whenever there is activity in this chanel it is when I am in bed
[30-Oct-2006 01:18:03] <sheraz> hehehe
[30-Oct-2006 01:18:39] <sheraz> hey ... there sure is day time here in this part of the world
[30-Oct-2006 01:18:48] <sheraz> i mean central asia
[30-Oct-2006 01:18:52] <sheraz> ;-)
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[30-Oct-2006 10:49:29] <tristanbob> hmmm - I am using the vmware image - trying to discover my cisco devices on a network
[30-Oct-2006 10:50:02] <tristanbob> I have added the SNMP string in devices -> zproperties -> zSnmpCommunities
[30-Oct-2006 10:51:55] <tristanbob> then I run "zendisc run"
[30-Oct-2006 10:52:36] <tristanbob> I get and "error: (-2, 'Name or services not known') and it stops
[30-Oct-2006 10:53:14] <tristanbob> it also complains about the domain name oz.mydomain.com is not valid (it's not, not sure where oz came from)
[30-Oct-2006 10:53:38] <tristanbob> anyone know what I am doing wrong?
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[30-Oct-2006 11:06:57] <lslatr> try adding --net YOURNET maybe
[30-Oct-2006 11:07:15] <lslatr> hum no that doesn't sound like it
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[31-Oct-2006 20:38:21] <A08> Hi, just fiddling around with my rather fresh zenoss installation and realize that my servers show up with a used disk capacity of "unknown"...
[31-Oct-2006 20:38:26] <A08> ...what do I do wrong?
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[31-Oct-2006 20:38:46] <A08> I'm using SNMP btw
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[31-Oct-2006 23:27:32] -__adytum-bot__- New Blog/News Feed: Daily Python-URL! (from the Secret Labs) - [InfoWorld: Jon Udell] Scaling the Tufte effect
[31-Oct-2006 23:27:33] -__adytum-bot__- http://www.pythonware.com/daily/index.htm#116233414491873691
