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[01-Aug-2006 00:20:01] <chairuou> hello
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[01-Aug-2006 08:12:21] <gravitron> any developers around?
[01-Aug-2006 08:12:37] <ecn> what's up?
[01-Aug-2006 08:13:35] <gravitron> I've got a class of servers /Devices/Servers/Windows/Database
[01-Aug-2006 08:13:42] <gravitron> where I collect some additional performance type data
[01-Aug-2006 08:13:53] <gravitron> I'd like to collect this data on a more granular fashion
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:08] <gravitron> can I alter the polling period for these data elements only?
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:16] <ecn> not at this time
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:20] <gravitron> or can I alter the polling period for this path
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:25] <gravitron> is that a potential feature?
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:28] <gravitron> future
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:49] <ecn> it is... send a note to the mailing list describing it... maybe Erik will bump it up on the list
[01-Aug-2006 08:15:04] <gravitron> ok, also, one other thing
[01-Aug-2006 08:15:17] <gravitron> I'd like to gather some specific performance data based on my hardware
[01-Aug-2006 08:15:29] <gravitron> (in this case a Dell PERC raid controller)
[01-Aug-2006 08:16:09] <gravitron> currently, the 'hardware' tab does not contain a specific element for a raid controller (as there is with HardDisk)
[01-Aug-2006 08:16:30] <gravitron> 1. is there a way for me as a user to add my raid controllers as elements of the hardware to be discovered
[01-Aug-2006 08:16:40] <gravitron> so that I can generate a perf config template for it
[01-Aug-2006 08:17:18] <ecn> hmm
[01-Aug-2006 08:17:22] <ecn> to be discovered, no
[01-Aug-2006 08:17:32] <gravitron> you see what I am getting at though?
[01-Aug-2006 08:17:38] <ecn> but.. if you can monitor the performance data via snmp
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[01-Aug-2006 08:17:48] <gravitron> my particular hardware configuration goes beyond a HardDisk
[01-Aug-2006 08:18:03] <ecn> you can add those templates to a group and collect on them
[01-Aug-2006 08:18:12] <gravitron> right, I can gather it via SNMP, but I am trying to blend in with the 'organization' structure of zenoss
[01-Aug-2006 08:18:25] <gravitron> not sure I am following
[01-Aug-2006 08:18:38] <ecn> to be honest, I'm a bit fuzzy on the discovery side, since it was here before I started working on zenoss
[01-Aug-2006 08:18:58] <gravitron> well, one of the things I see in the admin guide is "Maps"
[01-Aug-2006 08:19:02] <gravitron> snmp collector maps
[01-Aug-2006 08:19:18] <gravitron> and it seems that for each of the 'hardware types' that are recognized (HardDisk, Route, Interface, etc)
[01-Aug-2006 08:19:37] <gravitron> there is a 'map' bullet (no description of what these thigns are though... documentation to come
)
[01-Aug-2006 08:20:24] <ecn> sorry I can't help
[01-Aug-2006 08:20:40] <ecn> send a note to the list... Erik is good about getting back in the same day
[01-Aug-2006 08:20:49] <ecn> unless it really stumps us
[01-Aug-2006 08:22:56] <gravitron> hehe
[01-Aug-2006 08:23:01] <gravitron> ok
[01-Aug-2006 08:23:14] <gravitron> what's the mailing list? (too lazy to look it up, if yoiu have it handy)
[01-Aug-2006 08:24:41] <ecn> http://lists.zenoss.org/mailman/listinfo/zenoss-users
[01-Aug-2006 08:24:41] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss-users Info Page (at lists.zenoss.org)
[01-Aug-2006 08:26:20] <gravitron> thanks
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[01-Aug-2006 16:13:57] <creiht> edahl: A minor enhancement request. When you are deleting a device, when deleting a device, some time of confirmation probably should be done
[01-Aug-2006 16:14:17] <edahl> good thought
[01-Aug-2006 16:14:47] <edahl> you can undo if you lost something
[01-Aug-2006 16:14:55] <edahl> need to go through the ZMI
[01-Aug-2006 16:16:01] <creiht> That is good to know... and I haven't lost something, just thought about it as I was showing some co-workers how to use zenoss
[01-Aug-2006 16:20:48] <edahl> cool
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[01-Aug-2006 20:20:13] <giesen> Is there any way to set a threshold that's a delta
[01-Aug-2006 20:20:18] <giesen> rather than a fixed number?
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[01-Aug-2006 22:04:27] <Jester888> 02I just installed Zenoss on a CentOS 4.6 host and added a few devices. The are repoting up and are communicating via snmp properly. The problem is, I am not getting any graphs.
[01-Aug-2006 22:05:41] <Jester888> 02The event log is giving several errors. The one that looks like it is causing the issue is..
[01-Aug-2006 22:05:52] <Jester888> 02error: opening '/usr/local/zenoss/perf/Devices/MAIL2/memoryPagesPerSec.rrd': No such file or directory
[01-Aug-2006 22:06:12] <Jester888> 02When I look in the perf dir.. there Device directory is not present
[01-Aug-2006 22:06:57] <Jester888> 02Everything else appears to be functioning correctly, the zenoss user owns the perf dir and has 775 perms.
[01-Aug-2006 22:07:33] <Jester888> 02Any ideas on how to get zenoss to create the Devices directory and populate it? or why it would not be?
[01-Aug-2006 22:10:12] <Jester888> 02Google and the mail archive, have not returned any results with a solution that I could find.
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[01-Aug-2006 22:22:31] <Jester888> 02Any one or would I be better off using the mailing list?
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[01-Aug-2006 22:34:34] <Jester888> 02I have posted my question to the userlist. http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001016.html Any help would be appreciated.
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[02-Aug-2006 10:16:03] <giesen> Is there any way to set the email address zenoss sends from?
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[02-Aug-2006 11:16:57] <creiht> edahl: How's it going?
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:18] <edahl> good close to the release
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:23] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:45] <creiht> I saw that it was in the /downloads folder
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:56] <edahl> don't take that one its bad
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:59] <creiht> hehe
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:59] <creiht> ok
[02-Aug-2006 11:18:25] <creiht> I was just reading the release notes
[02-Aug-2006 11:18:37] <creiht> I like the idea of ading the xml-rpc daemon
[02-Aug-2006 11:19:39] <creiht> When do you think the release will be ready?
[02-Aug-2006 11:19:40] <edahl> yea that helps alot
[02-Aug-2006 11:19:50] <edahl> another hour or so
[02-Aug-2006 11:19:54] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006 11:20:08] <creiht> I was going to walk some others here through the upgrade after lunch today
[02-Aug-2006 11:20:16] <creiht> So that will be great
[02-Aug-2006 11:22:07] <creiht> So I had another idea.... Have you guys thought about generating alerts through email?
[02-Aug-2006 11:22:26] <creiht> Somewhat similar to a trap
[02-Aug-2006 11:23:06] <edahl> yes I have but not sure we have a bug to track it
[02-Aug-2006 11:23:13] <edahl> I will had one
[02-Aug-2006 11:23:37] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:16] <creiht> It would make it super easy to generate alerts for some errors on various systems that we have here
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:32] <edahl> #226
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:37] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:42] <creiht> You guys rock
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:46] <edahl> I think its easy to add as well
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:50] <edahl> thanks!
[02-Aug-2006 11:56:45] <edahl> ok zenoss-0.22.0 is up on our downloads directory
[02-Aug-2006 11:57:01] * zaph cheers
[02-Aug-2006 11:58:12] <Hatter> cool
[02-Aug-2006 11:59:04] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.22.0.tar.gz
[02-Aug-2006 12:02:51] <zaf> just install.sh to upgrade, right?
[02-Aug-2006 12:05:37] <edahl> yep
[02-Aug-2006 12:05:45] <creiht> wohoo!
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[02-Aug-2006 13:39:07] <edahl> guys we found a bug in zenperfsnmp just now
[02-Aug-2006 13:39:19] <zaf> doh!
[02-Aug-2006 13:39:32] <zaf> let me know when 0.22.1 is up
[02-Aug-2006 13:40:42] <edahl> will do
[02-Aug-2006 13:42:46] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.22.1.tar.gz
[02-Aug-2006 13:42:46] <zaf>
[02-Aug-2006 13:42:51] <edahl> 0.22.0 was the shortest release ever!
[02-Aug-2006 13:45:21] * zaf rebuilds
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[02-Aug-2006 16:19:04] <zaf> is there a way to make the base zope url automatically go to the Zenoss main page?
[02-Aug-2006 16:20:42] <edahl> yes
[02-Aug-2006 16:20:54] <edahl> in the index_html
[02-Aug-2006 16:21:04] <edahl> in /
[02-Aug-2006 16:21:53] <creiht> Upgrade completed and seemed to work well
[02-Aug-2006 16:21:59] <zaf> just put a meta-refresh in there, right?
[02-Aug-2006 16:22:32] <edahl> need to put a redirect
[02-Aug-2006 16:23:36] <zaf> thanks
[02-Aug-2006 16:23:45] <edahl> is that enough
[02-Aug-2006 16:23:49] <edahl> info?
[02-Aug-2006 16:23:57] <edahl> need to do i in the zmi
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:05] <creiht> edahl: My alerting rules didn't quite come over correctly
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:16] <edahl> hum
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:21] <edahl> what happened?
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:40] <creiht> Well I don't know if you could have really converted it really well anyway
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:47] <creiht> My query used like
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:11] <creiht> I think it was something like
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:29] <creiht> deviceGroup like '%blahblahblah%'
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:46] <creiht> It turned it into Device Group is /
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:49] <zaf> edahl, yep, works
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:55] <edahl> zaf cool
[02-Aug-2006 16:26:10] <creiht> No biggie though... I can go through and change them
[02-Aug-2006 16:26:20] <edahl> creiht let me have ecn take a look
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[02-Aug-2006 16:27:11] <creiht> otherwise I like the new interface for email alerts
[02-Aug-2006 16:27:48] <ecn> creight: Erik said you are having problems with the alert filters?
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:05] <creiht> ecn: Well one of them didn't transfer over correctly
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:13] <creiht> With the upgrade
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:18] <ecn> whoo hoo only one!
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:21] <creiht> though I'm not sure if it could have
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:22] <creiht> laugh
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:31] <creiht> Well one that I duplicate for about 10 users
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:41] <ecn> you know what it's like to write a where clause parser in 2 days?
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:48] <creiht> I had used something like the following in my where clause
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:50] <creiht> lagus
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:52] <creiht> err
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:53] <ecn> super secret trick:
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:54] <creiht> laughs
[02-Aug-2006 16:29:06] <ecn> you can edit the where clause if you turn off java script when you visit the page
[02-Aug-2006 16:29:24] <creiht> deviceGroups like '%blahblah%'
[02-Aug-2006 16:29:59] <creiht> Now it shows in the new interface as
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:05] <creiht> Device Groups is /
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:16] <ecn> ah
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:25] <creiht> Otherwise I like the interface so far
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:38] <creiht> It looks really good... especially if you did it in two days
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:41] <ecn> good
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:52] <ecn> three days: one day to do the javascript 8-)
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:55] <creiht> hehe
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:11] <ecn> change your deviceGroups like '%blah%'
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:13] <ecn> to
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:24] <ecn> deviceGroups like '%|blah%'
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:41] <ecn> (that's a vertical bar in there)
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:47] <creiht> What does that do?
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:02] <ecn> device groups...
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:12] <creiht> But I can edit them to fit the new UI way
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:20] <ecn> ok
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:20] <creiht> So it isn't a biggie
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:29] <creiht> just thought I would let you know though
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:39] <ecn> you can see the generated where clause with the no-javascript trick
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:42] <ecn> thanks
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:51] <ecn> deviceGroup is a many many relationship
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:57] <creiht> yeah
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:12] <ecn> so it's this hacky list so we don't have to join the many list from the zeo db against the mysql db
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:22] <ecn> so we make device groups a list w/vert bars:
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:23] <creiht> right
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:27] <creiht> ok
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:39] <ecn> |/foo|/bar|/silly
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:52] <creiht> My other modified alert rules seem to have come over fine
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:53] <ecn> so against a group should really include that bar
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:58] <ecn> whoo hoo!
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:16] <ecn> there are limits to what it can reproduce
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:20] <ecn> don't do this:
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:29] <ecn> 2 < severity
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:29] <creiht> hehe
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:31] <ecn> for example
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:32] <creiht> oh I'm sure
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:34] <creiht> laugh
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:35] <ecn> but who does that?
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:39] <ecn> crazy people
[02-Aug-2006 16:35:06] <creiht> And I'm so happy to see disk sizes in GB now rather than bytes
[02-Aug-2006 16:35:16] <ecn> it's the little things...
[02-Aug-2006 16:35:27] <creiht> It's often the little things that make a big... err heh
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[02-Aug-2006 16:37:05] <creiht> The other thing that will be awesome is when you can define one alert and assign that alert to several users
[02-Aug-2006 16:38:40] <ecn> were you interested in the nagios plugins?
[02-Aug-2006 16:39:35] <creiht> Not really... Though that sounds cool
[02-Aug-2006 16:41:58] <creiht> I'm also excited about the Maintenance Windows
[02-Aug-2006 16:42:34] <creiht> That will prevent a lot of spam, and endless text messages
[02-Aug-2006 16:42:37] <ecn> ya, our customers were very happy w/it
[02-Aug-2006 16:56:08] <korozion> can zenoss monitor a website, to see whether or not it's responding?
[02-Aug-2006 16:57:15] <ecn> yes, in a couple of ways... it will run nagios plugins now, so that will do the higher application-level checks
[02-Aug-2006 16:57:25] <ecn> it will monitor port 80...
[02-Aug-2006 16:57:34] <ecn> it will monitor performance via SNMP
[02-Aug-2006 16:58:13] <korozion> ahh, good to hear
[02-Aug-2006 16:58:14] <korozion> hrm
[02-Aug-2006 16:58:31] <korozion> can I assume that zenoss can completly replace my Nagios setup?
[02-Aug-2006 16:59:53] <ecn> I don't know.. never ran nagios
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:03] <ecn> I just did the plugin interface
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:17] <korozion>
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:20] <ecn> my guess is no, since we are not yet gathering performance data
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:30] <ecn> give us a week, though 8-)
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:38] <korozion> I really only monitored different servers and their processes with it
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:53] <korozion> that's all I need
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:58] <korozion> If something is broke, I need to know
[02-Aug-2006 17:01:06] <ecn> and you can get perf data via snmp, w/Zenoss
[02-Aug-2006 17:01:34] <korozion> nice
[02-Aug-2006 17:01:43] <korozion> I'm still learning zenoss, but I think it'll do what I want
[02-Aug-2006 17:02:00] <korozion> I like that it's python
[02-Aug-2006 17:02:06] <ecn> my completely unbiased answer is that it's the best network manager ever 8-)
[02-Aug-2006 17:02:13] <korozion> we do a lot of python work, and django work too
[02-Aug-2006 17:02:15] <korozion> heh
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[02-Aug-2006 17:03:24] <ecn> gotta go... send bug reports to the mailing list... I'll be on later
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[02-Aug-2006 17:07:50] * korozion wonders how to upgrade ...
[02-Aug-2006 17:08:58] <creiht> korozion: You should be able to run the install.sh script as the zenoss user and it will automatically upgrade
[02-Aug-2006 17:11:39] <creiht> korozion: And I bet you will be very pleased with zenoss
[02-Aug-2006 17:22:02] <korozion> Ooo, nice
[02-Aug-2006 17:22:04] <korozion> 1 sec
[02-Aug-2006 17:22:20] <korozion> err, so just download the new zenoss install then run install.sh ?
[02-Aug-2006 17:22:54] <korozion> and what is the new version, is it released as of now
[02-Aug-2006 17:25:37] <creiht> .22.0
[02-Aug-2006 17:25:40] <creiht> I think
[02-Aug-2006 17:25:57] <korozion> .21.1 is still listed on the web site, so I'll wait a few
[02-Aug-2006 17:26:11] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/zenoss-0.22
[02-Aug-2006 17:26:11] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss-0.22 - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-Aug-2006 17:26:11] <creiht> Has upgrade instructions
[02-Aug-2006 17:26:25] <korozion> nice, thanks
[02-Aug-2006 17:27:14] <creiht> download is
[02-Aug-2006 17:27:28] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.22.1.tar.gz
[02-Aug-2006 17:28:01] <creiht> I just upgraded, and it went pretty well, but it probably isn't a bad idea to wait a bit
[02-Aug-2006 17:28:09] <korozion>
[02-Aug-2006 17:28:19] <korozion> it's in a testing env. so no worries
[02-Aug-2006 17:28:47] <korozion> I like that you picked a different port
[02-Aug-2006 17:28:59] <korozion> I had to change the port manually because of my existing zope install
[02-Aug-2006 17:29:35] <korozion> I'd like to change the install script, based on Debian, so the packages are installed from apt, rather than source
[02-Aug-2006 17:30:13] <creiht> I'm not a dev... just another user
[02-Aug-2006 17:30:45] <creiht> There was a guy that was working on on a debian package
[02-Aug-2006 17:30:52] <creiht> I'm not sure what happened to that though
[02-Aug-2006 17:31:08] <korozion> last I heard, they needed more help
[02-Aug-2006 17:31:18] <korozion> I was just going to try it, document it, and submit it
[02-Aug-2006 17:31:49] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006 17:34:36] <korozion> however, it's summer and hot
[02-Aug-2006 17:34:39] <korozion> so there's beer
[02-Aug-2006 17:34:48] <korozion> therefor my productivity is low
[02-Aug-2006 17:34:56] <creiht> hehe
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[03-Aug-2006 10:38:00] <aurel> hello help
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[03-Aug-2006 10:58:11] <creiht> aurel: What do you need help with?
[03-Aug-2006 11:15:49] <aurel> mm
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:08] <aurel> still the same questions
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:17] <aurel> monitoring processes and services
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:27] <aurel> services i know i have to use zenwin
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:31] <aurel> but processes
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:38] <aurel> regex seems not ok for me
[03-Aug-2006 11:17:35] <aurel>
[03-Aug-2006 11:32:40] <aurel> where can we find the results of zenwin ?
[03-Aug-2006 11:32:42] <aurel> please
[03-Aug-2006 11:33:37] <creiht> aurel: Oh sorry... I don't use that part so I'm not much hellp there
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[03-Aug-2006 14:42:22] <creiht> aurel: If you are still here... I actually started monitoring processes on a windows box today
[03-Aug-2006 14:42:41] <creiht> The process that I wanted to monitor was called dllhost.exe
[03-Aug-2006 14:42:53] <creiht> So I created a new process called dllhost.exe
[03-Aug-2006 14:43:16] <creiht> I recollected the configuration of the windows box
[03-Aug-2006 14:43:45] <creiht> And now under the OS tab, I have an OS Processes section
[03-Aug-2006 14:43:53] <creiht> Which shows the dllhost.exe
[03-Aug-2006 14:44:03] <creiht> And when I click on it, I see the performance graphs
[03-Aug-2006 14:56:09] <Raul> Anyone know if I can have discover organize by devices for me based on the OS that is installed, rather than haviing them all go into "Discoverd"?
[03-Aug-2006 14:56:33] <edahl> raul: not today
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[03-Aug-2006 15:56:32] <creiht> edahl: I just ran into something that is a little confusing at first
[03-Aug-2006 15:56:56] <creiht> I'm monitoring several processes now on windows boxes
[03-Aug-2006 15:57:15] <creiht> And some of them are using hardly any CPU, but the values show up as
[03-Aug-2006 15:57:34] <creiht> cur:71.35m avg:20.96m max:98.36m
[03-Aug-2006 15:58:01] <creiht> At first I didn't notice the m at the end, and thought the graphs were not showing up for some reason
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[03-Aug-2006 15:58:31] <creiht> It would be nicer to show something like .07 % instead
[03-Aug-2006 15:58:56] <creiht> edahl_: hehe... Well I'm guessing now that you missed everything that I just typed in
[03-Aug-2006 15:59:52] <edahl_> yep
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[03-Aug-2006 15:59:59] <edahl_> internet died
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:07] <creiht> creiht: edahl: I just ran into something that is a little confusing at first
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:07] <creiht> [2:56pm] creiht: I'm monitoring several processes now on windows boxes
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:07] <creiht> [2:57pm] creiht: And some of them are using hardly any CPU, but the values show up as
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:07] <creiht> [2:57pm] creiht: cur:71.35m avg:20.96m max:98.36m
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:08] <creiht> [2:58pm] creiht: At first I didn't notice the m at the end, and thought the graphs were not showing up for some reason
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:22] <creiht> creiht: It would be nicer to show something like .07 % instead
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:36] <edahl_> yes that is an rrd thing
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:50] <creiht> ahhh
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:52] <edahl_> not sure how to stop it
[03-Aug-2006 16:01:14] <creiht> gotcha... It's not a real biggie, just a bit confusing at first
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[03-Aug-2006 16:01:57] <edahl_> yes
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[03-Aug-2006 18:23:45] <landonf> Howdy
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[04-Aug-2006 00:02:42] <Raul> aaaauugh, I created an rrd template with 30 datasources and 5 graphs which are only applicable to one specif devices. Now I need to re-ip the device, there doesn't seem to be a way to re-ip and a device or transfer an rrd template to a new device. What can I do?
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[04-Aug-2006 09:49:20] <rputzler> I'd like to integrate my Inventory Control system and CRM systems with zenoss. Is the database schema available? Internal database is used I don't see much being stored in mysql.
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[04-Aug-2006 11:07:46] <creiht> edahl: So another interesting problem.... I'm monitoring a process on a windows box, and part of the parameter list is a process identifier for another process
[04-Aug-2006 11:08:01] <creiht> Thus each time it restarts the "fingerprint" for the process changes
[04-Aug-2006 11:08:26] <creiht> And I have to re-collect the device to get it to get the new process
[04-Aug-2006 11:08:47] <edahl> yuck
[04-Aug-2006 11:08:57] <creiht> yeah
[04-Aug-2006 11:09:26] <creiht> The process looks like:
[04-Aug-2006 11:09:27] <creiht> w3wp.exe -a \\.\pipe\iisipm87ea3d23-d50e-4ae8-883c-a9e0c7c38f74 -t 20 -ap "DefaultAppPool"
[04-Aug-2006 11:09:29] <edahl> not sure how to fix that
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:18] <edahl> can it be identified without the args
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:26] <creiht> yeah
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:34] <creiht> it's just w3wp.exe
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:47] <edahl> ok I will put a bug in for an option to match only process name
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:57] <creiht> that would be cool
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:59] <creiht> thanks
[04-Aug-2006 11:12:19] <edahl> #236
[04-Aug-2006 11:13:50] <rputzler> Is there any thing in zenoss that makes monitoring switches easy? I'd like to get port statistics on all my switches.
[04-Aug-2006 11:15:14] <edahl> should work
[04-Aug-2006 11:16:05] <edahl> rputzler: from earlier question model is stored in zeo "schema" files are in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel
[04-Aug-2006 11:17:15] <rputzler> Thanks!
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[04-Aug-2006 12:20:16] <jeffneradka> does anyone know what "localhost zenagios /Status/Heartbeat localhost zenagios heartbeat failure" means? i searched the mail list and didnt find it
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[04-Aug-2006 12:37:29] <giesen> I cant load any mib files
[04-Aug-2006 12:37:34] <giesen> can anyone help me out
[04-Aug-2006 12:40:44] <rputzler> bin/zenmib <mib file> worked for me.
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[04-Aug-2006 13:27:56] <giesen> yeah I get errors
[04-Aug-2006 13:28:27] <giesen> zenoss@netmon01 /data/zenoss/share/mibs/site $ zenmib run CPQCMC-MIB.mib
[04-Aug-2006 13:28:27] <giesen> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Failed to load mib: CPQCMC-MIB.mib
[04-Aug-2006 13:29:22] <giesen> tried it with 3 diff mib files
[04-Aug-2006 13:29:31] <giesen> so either I'm doing something systematically wrong
[04-Aug-2006 13:29:33] <giesen> or it's broken.
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[04-Aug-2006 14:23:35] <landonf> Mornin'
[04-Aug-2006 14:23:56] <landonf> edahl: Around?
[04-Aug-2006 14:25:46] <edahl> yep
[04-Aug-2006 14:26:48] <landonf> Howdy. So Jonathan (fellow on my team working on the xmlrpc stuff) has something that's working, needs a bit of cleanup. We're using it to monitor our game server load now.
[04-Aug-2006 14:27:00] <edahl> cool
[04-Aug-2006 14:27:06] <landonf> The next thing on my list to look at is implementing LDAP authentication, was wondering if you had any thoughts on that front.
[04-Aug-2006 14:27:23] <edahl> should be zope products that do this
[04-Aug-2006 14:27:27] <edahl> I haven't done it yet
[04-Aug-2006 14:28:04] <landonf> eg http://sourceforge.net/projects/zldapadapter/ ?
[04-Aug-2006 14:28:04] <adytum-bot> Title: SourceForge.net: ZOPE LDAP adapter product (at sourceforge.net)
[04-Aug-2006 14:29:09] <edahl> looks a little old
[04-Aug-2006 14:29:25] <edahl> but that's what you want
[04-Aug-2006 14:29:51] <edahl> might ask on zope-dev what the solution is
[04-Aug-2006 14:30:50] <landonf> Amiditly this is the first zope-based project I've ever even looked at, so apologies for dumb questions.
[04-Aug-2006 14:34:41] <oubiwann_> landonf: I did LDAP authentication a couple years ago for a client that was running Zope
[04-Aug-2006 14:34:57] <oubiwann> it was really straight-forward
[04-Aug-2006 14:35:14] <oubiwann> I even had it authenticating against AD
[04-Aug-2006 14:35:33] <oubiwann> edahl is right: there's a Zope product for this
[04-Aug-2006 14:36:23] <landonf> Didn't realize that authentication business could drop in, I was truthfully gearing up to write some code.
[04-Aug-2006 14:36:25] <oubiwann> if I remember correctly, the product extends the Group User Folder in Zope
[04-Aug-2006 14:37:32] <oubiwann> so basically all you have to do is make the appropriate entries in the ZMI management screen for your LDAP stuff
[04-Aug-2006 14:45:31] <oubiwann> I'm not sure if this is the one I used, but it should probably do what you want:
[04-Aug-2006 14:45:51] <oubiwann> http://plone.org/products/ldapuserfolder
[04-Aug-2006 14:46:38] <landonf> Cheers, I'll take a look. Need to do some more reading on Zope too.
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[04-Aug-2006 14:53:35] <oubiwann> landonf: the quick and dirty would be to download the LDAP User Folder product, untar it and put the Products folder and restart zope
[04-Aug-2006 14:53:45] <leplast> edahl: I have a good first draft of the xmlrpc perf code
[04-Aug-2006 14:53:51] <edahl> cool
[04-Aug-2006 14:54:05] <leplast> a few questions re: status
[04-Aug-2006 14:54:07] <oubiwann> landonf: then you'd need to go to the ZMI and work with it there
[04-Aug-2006 14:54:29] <edahl> ok
[04-Aug-2006 14:54:30] <leplast> it looks like the right move would be to have an eventClass of /Status/XmlRpc for xmlrpc threshold events
[04-Aug-2006 14:55:03] <leplast> rather /Perf/XmlRpc
[04-Aug-2006 14:55:05] <edahl> i'm actually going to add a field to rrdtheshold to input the class I thihnk
[04-Aug-2006 14:55:31] <edahl> are you tracking time series data or just up/down
[04-Aug-2006 14:56:02] <leplast> so the question is how to handle /Status.. it looks like this is more a device specific event, so I am thinking that /Status/Ping or /Status/Snmp might just continue to work for xmlrpc
[04-Aug-2006 14:56:42] <leplast> so the way we have implemented so far, is that RRD data sources now have a sourcetype
[04-Aug-2006 14:56:46] <leplast> either SNMP or XMLRPC
[04-Aug-2006 14:56:48] <edahl> /Status is for up/down events
[04-Aug-2006 14:57:06] <edahl> right
[04-Aug-2006 14:57:16] <leplast> and then for xmlrpc we have a url
[04-Aug-2006 14:57:18] <leplast> and a methodname
[04-Aug-2006 14:57:38] <leplast> so the results of an xml query might not necessarily be tied to the actual device
[04-Aug-2006 14:57:57] <leplast> as the url could potentially be associated with another device. I mean most people will be using URLs associated with the actual device
[04-Aug-2006 14:58:14] <leplast> but a lack of response from a URL doesn't necessarily mean the device is down
[04-Aug-2006 14:58:53] <leplast> so then a status event for an xmlrpc url would actually mean that that url was not accessible/down
[04-Aug-2006 14:58:56] <leplast> not the actual device
[04-Aug-2006 14:59:07] <leplast> so what makes the most sense in terms of how to send that alert?
[04-Aug-2006 15:01:57] <landonf> The conversation we had here was that even if you can point URLs at different devices, if you do such a thing, you're off in the woods and it's not our concern. IMHO a lack of response on a URL that is attached to device signals a down event.
[04-Aug-2006 15:02:30] <edahl> /Status/XmlRpc sounds good for up/down of url
[04-Aug-2006 15:02:44] <leplast> alright sounds good
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:16] <edahl> are you logging data from calls to rrd files?
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:21] <edahl> return data that is
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:24] <leplast> yes
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:33] <edahl> are you going to have thresholds on that?
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:36] <edahl> data
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:38] <leplast> yes
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:40] <edahl> cool
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:48] <leplast> I used zenperfsnmp as the model
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:52] <edahl> perfect
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:44] <edahl> is it called zenperfx
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:45] <edahl> ?
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:46] <edahl>
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:51] <leplast> zenperfxmlrpc
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:55] <edahl> sound sgood
[04-Aug-2006 15:05:17] <leplast> but wordy, but specific
[04-Aug-2006 15:05:20] <leplast> er bit
[04-Aug-2006 15:07:09] <landonf> One other problem we're not immediately addressing is that a given XMLRPC method might return more than a single numeric value. We were considering a plugin interface -- the plugin is passed the result of the XML-RPC method call, and it's up to the plugin to return a simple value.
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[04-Aug-2006 15:18:18] <giesen> edahl: I'm having issues loading MIB files with zenmib
[04-Aug-2006 15:18:26] <giesen> any chance you could spare a couple mins?
[04-Aug-2006 15:18:58] <giesen> zenoss@netmon01 /data/zenoss/share/mibs/site $ zenmib run
[04-Aug-2006 15:19:23] <giesen> zenoss@netmon01 /data/zenoss/share/mibs/site $ zenmib run CPQCMC-MIB.mib
[04-Aug-2006 15:19:27] <giesen> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Failed to load mib: CPQCMC-MIB.mib
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[04-Aug-2006 15:24:59] <edahl> landonf: we had that problem with nagios as well that's why we didn't do the perf stuff for nagios plugins
[04-Aug-2006 15:25:07] <edahl> which can have more than one return value
[04-Aug-2006 15:25:19] <edahl> need to go to a meeting but we should discuss more
[04-Aug-2006 16:09:16] <landonf> OK (back from lunch)
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[05-Aug-2006 23:14:34] <overworked554> hello
[05-Aug-2006 23:21:15] <overworked554> how can i change the email address that alerts are sent from?
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[06-Aug-2006 10:40:52] <Steven6040> hey, I have a problem with zenwin - http://rafb.net/paste/results/UBtxOi94.html anyone got any ideas?
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[06-Aug-2006 15:00:56] <giesen> how the heck do you use the new nagios plugin functionality
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[07-Aug-2006 05:08:01] <asaf> hello everyone
[07-Aug-2006 05:10:11] <benzopila> hello
[07-Aug-2006 05:11:36] <asaf> i have been looking for a good NMS and i think Zenoss fits the bill
[07-Aug-2006 05:13:27] <asaf> any idea about the hardware resource requirements to manage a large network
[07-Aug-2006 05:14:56] <benzopila> how mach large?
[07-Aug-2006 05:16:25] <asaf> say 1000 nodes
[07-Aug-2006 05:16:31] <asaf> heterogenous
[07-Aug-2006 05:16:47] <asaf> any idea on server memory sizing? other resources
[07-Aug-2006 05:18:22] <benzopila> i'm trying to set up zenoss at server whis Intel Xeon in, for ~ 4000-4500 hosts and 50-70 nodes( switches, routers and servers)
[07-Aug-2006 05:20:15] <benzopila> I realy don't know how it will work (:
[07-Aug-2006 05:24:16] <asaf> hmmm...need to visit the mail archives to see details
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[07-Aug-2006 09:43:35] <GreesMunky> what is version number of new release?
[07-Aug-2006 09:45:02] <GreesMunky> ps ax
[07-Aug-2006 09:51:39] <zaf> 0.22.1
[07-Aug-2006 09:51:52] *** zaf changes topic to "new Zenoss release today! || Current Version: 0.22.1"
[07-Aug-2006 09:52:03] <GreesMunky> Thanks ;-)
[07-Aug-2006 09:57:58] <edahl> giesen: there are some docs in the admin guide for the nagios stuff
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[07-Aug-2006 10:31:33] <dhopp> I keep getting a heartbeat failure for zenagios but $ZENHOME/bin/zenagios status says it's running and I can see it in out put of ps
[07-Aug-2006 10:32:05] <dhopp> I'm not using zenagios yet, but it's kind of annoying so I'm trying to figure out why this is happening
[07-Aug-2006 10:43:51] <GreesMunky> I have installed zenoss. According to the docs I should do a zenping start but it errors out
[07-Aug-2006 10:51:45] <dhopp> GreesMunky: have you setup sudo? zenping has to be run as root
[07-Aug-2006 10:52:42] <GreesMunky> de documentation is a little lacking with regard to sudoers
[07-Aug-2006 10:53:09] <GreesMunky> /usr/local/zenoss/bin/python,/bin/kill,/usr/local/
[07-Aug-2006 10:53:10] <GreesMunky> zenoss/bin/zopectl,/usr/local/zenoss/bin/zeoctl
[07-Aug-2006 10:53:26] <GreesMunky> is what I have in sudoers
[07-Aug-2006 10:54:17] <GreesMunky> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/zenping.py", line 22, in ?
[07-Aug-2006 10:54:19] <GreesMunky> import Globals # make zope imports work
[07-Aug-2006 10:54:20] <GreesMunky> ImportError: No module named Globals
[07-Aug-2006 10:54:48] <GreesMunky> zenping gives above error after adjusting sudoers file
[07-Aug-2006 10:55:26] <GreesMunky> gotta run. 5 o clock here and time for the train
[07-Aug-2006 10:55:30] <GreesMunky> later all
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[07-Aug-2006 11:32:29] <stuart_> hullo, I've got the vmware image of zenoss. But on connection via a web browser on port 8080 its asking for a username and passwd. I've tried zenoss with no luck. Anything else I can try?
[07-Aug-2006 11:34:08] <stuart_> anyone?
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[07-Aug-2006 13:37:04] <gumpa> Howdy. I have nothing listed in zport/dmd/Manufacturers, and zenload -i ../manufacturers.xml hangs
[07-Aug-2006 13:37:26] <gumpa> troubleshooting suggestions?
[07-Aug-2006 13:46:17] <gumpa> zenload hangs -> ctrl-c -> message: INFO:zen.ImportRM:Daemon ImportRM shutting down
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[07-Aug-2006 16:10:25] <edahl> stuart_: login is admin : zenoss
[07-Aug-2006 16:11:03] <edahl> gumpa: run zenload with -v10 you will get output as to what its doing.
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[07-Aug-2006 16:17:21] <fsweetser> hey all. I'm currently using nagios, but I've gotten frustrated with it's very simple dependencies. what kind of dependency relationships cna zenoss handle?
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[07-Aug-2006 17:11:12] <arne2> anyone here?
[07-Aug-2006 17:12:35] <steven_> im trying to install zenoss 0.21.0 but i get errors when it's compiling zope in AccessControl any ideas ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:13:18] <steven_> id paste the specific errors but i can't seem to get on to pastebin ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:13:24] <steven_> yet
[07-Aug-2006 17:13:51] <arne2> I'm installing zenoss on fc5 ... I get 'unable to install MySQL event tables'
[07-Aug-2006 17:14:12] <steven_> maybe a mysql permission problem ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:14:29] <arne2> any ideas? I think it's a mysql5.22 issue...but not sure
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:00] <steven_> mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.22, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.1
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:08] <steven_> mine worked fine past that stage
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:18] <arne2> on fc5?
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:38] <steven_> no but i would guess it wasn't a distribution problem
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:55] <steven_> try and see if it created the database at all ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:16:07] <arne2> yes it creats events
[07-Aug-2006 17:16:35] <steven_> does it create a zenbuild.log file with output maybe that will lead to clues ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:17:05] <steven_> i gotta go but ill be back trying to fix my error lol
[07-Aug-2006 17:17:07] <arne2> yes the last 2 lines are here...
[07-Aug-2006 17:17:10] <arne2> ERROR 1359 (HY000) at line 79: Trigger already exists
[07-Aug-2006 17:17:11] <arne2> ERROR 1146 (42S02) at line 4: Table 'mysql.proc' doesn't exist
[07-Aug-2006 17:17:49] <steven_> All i can say quickly is look at the code in the install.sh file that creates mysql.proc table and try to run it manually
[07-Aug-2006 17:18:00] <steven_> l8rs
[07-Aug-2006 17:18:05] <arne2> thx!
[07-Aug-2006 17:22:16] <arne2> hello everyone
[07-Aug-2006 17:22:19] <arne2> ?
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[07-Aug-2006 17:38:22] <arne2> I find an error about sudoer ... perhaps it's that..
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[07-Aug-2006 17:54:28] <arne2> nope
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[07-Aug-2006 18:03:05] <arne2> ERROR 1146 (42S02) at line 4: Table 'mysql.proc' doesn't exist
[07-Aug-2006 18:03:08] <arne2> anyone
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[08-Aug-2006 03:49:05] <giesen> you guys may want to update the link to the release notes on the download page
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[08-Aug-2006 12:25:00] <arne2> anyone there...?
[08-Aug-2006 12:25:16] <arne2> my install does this...
[08-Aug-2006 12:25:32] <arne2> unable to install MySQL event tables
[08-Aug-2006 12:28:10] <oubiwann> arne2: are you on the zenoss users mail list?
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[08-Aug-2006 12:33:24] <arne2> nope
[08-Aug-2006 12:33:42] <arne2> here I go...
[08-Aug-2006 12:36:39] <oubiwann> arne2: cool, here's the reason I asked:
[08-Aug-2006 12:37:06] <oubiwann> arne2: you need to send us (as an attachment) your zenbuild.log file
[08-Aug-2006 12:52:00] <arne2> ok... here's the last 2 lines
[08-Aug-2006 12:52:04] <arne2> ERROR 1359 (HY000) at line 79: Trigger already exists
[08-Aug-2006 12:52:04] <arne2> ERROR 1146 (42S02) at line 4: Table 'mysql.proc' doesn't exist
[08-Aug-2006 12:52:19] <arne2> it's a FC5 all yummed up
[08-Aug-2006 12:53:00] <arne2> seems to be a mysql thing... maybe a bug..
[08-Aug-2006 12:55:20] <arne2> all paths seems to point to the ENGINE=INNODB; line in zenevents.sql
[08-Aug-2006 12:55:48] <oubiwann> what version of mysql are you using?
[08-Aug-2006 12:56:15] <oubiwann> also, could you send the zenbuild.log to the mail list?
[08-Aug-2006 13:03:11] <arne2> Server version 5.0.22
[08-Aug-2006 13:03:12] <arne2> Protocol version 10
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[08-Aug-2006 14:03:59] <arne2> ok i posted to the use zenoss-user mail list
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[08-Aug-2006 14:12:59] <socialist> I may be missing this in the docs, but is there a way to bulk-add devices, like a mass import or subnet scan?
[08-Aug-2006 14:13:31] <socialist> oh duh I think I found it
[08-Aug-2006 14:13:47] <socialist> nevermind, found it
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[08-Aug-2006 15:27:35] <arne2> hmm... I don't see my post on the list...
[08-Aug-2006 15:35:59] <oubiwann> arne2: neither do I ;-)
[08-Aug-2006 15:43:33] <arne2> hmmm must be the attachment...
[08-Aug-2006 15:43:54] <arne2> if I include the log it'll be pretty big post...
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[08-Aug-2006 15:55:35] <arne2> ok i did the post...
[08-Aug-2006 15:55:48] <arne2> and I see it in the list...
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[08-Aug-2006 16:56:15] <socialist> are "twsnmp.protocol Bad response from...." errors seomthing to worry about?
[08-Aug-2006 16:56:45] <socialist> warnings I should say
[08-Aug-2006 16:56:59] <ecn> yes... it means that the program cannot decipher the SNMP data
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:15] <ecn> are they coming from a 64-bit machine?
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:16] <socialist> hm, why would that be
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:19] <socialist> yes
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:28] <ecn> bingo... broken SNMP agent
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:41] <ecn> sending us nice 64-bit IP addresses
[08-Aug-2006 16:58:07] <ecn> there's a patch to make some of these go away in the next release
[08-Aug-2006 16:58:13] <socialist> hm so that would explain the subsequent modeler timeout?
[08-Aug-2006 16:58:19] <ecn> I've sent it out in the mailing list if you want to go through the archives
[08-Aug-2006 16:58:23] <ecn> yes
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:00] <socialist> what was the subject? I was looking around before but I didn't see anything
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:08] <socialist> oh wait, users or annouce?
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:37] <ecn> bad protocol error
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:41] <ecn> -users
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:57] <socialist> got it, thanks
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[08-Aug-2006 17:04:38] <socialist> holy monkeycrap
[08-Aug-2006 17:04:44] <socialist> yeah that works a little better
[08-Aug-2006 17:05:11] <ecn> holy monkeycrap: yeah that works a little better
[08-Aug-2006 17:05:19] <ecn> best thing I've heard all day
[08-Aug-2006 17:05:31] <socialist> harhar
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[08-Aug-2006 22:54:27] <Shazburg> Good evenin'. Anyone got a sec for a quick question?
[08-Aug-2006 23:06:50] <Shazburg> Wait! Hold your responses: I've solved it myself.
[08-Aug-2006 23:07:32] <Shazburg> For the record (if this is being logged), the install notes make no mention that subversion must be installed regardless of whether you install from the tarball or from a trunk checkout.
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[09-Aug-2006 02:35:28] <benzopila> hello!
[09-Aug-2006 02:39:10] <benzopila> servises zenxevent, zenping, zensyslog, zenactions, zenstatus, zentrap don't want to start by "./zenoss start". Anybody know?
[09-Aug-2006 02:39:43] <benzopila> they are in sudoers file, but they don't want to start
[09-Aug-2006 02:40:39] <benzopila> zopectl, zenmodeler, zenperfsnmp, zenprocess, zenagios started good
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[09-Aug-2006 06:08:03] <benzopila> hi!
[09-Aug-2006 06:08:29] <benzopila> have anybody started zenoss on FreeBSD?
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[09-Aug-2006 09:25:03] <jeffneradka> hi, i have a quick question please
[09-Aug-2006 09:25:13] <jeffneradka> i have a server, where some development is going on, and they are messing with the smtp. I would like to stop being notified of that service going up and down, but i can not find where i can set an ignore just for that 1 service on that 1 machine
[09-Aug-2006 09:25:26] <jeffneradka> but i cant see where to make t hat setting
[09-Aug-2006 09:26:46] <jeffneradka> ahhh i found it, nevermind
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[09-Aug-2006 13:11:01] <Shazburg> Anyone in here this time?
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[09-Aug-2006 13:14:07] <Shazburg> Any pointers on why graphviz might fail to compile?
[09-Aug-2006 13:14:41] <Shazburg> Anyone? Anyone? Voodoo economics.
[09-Aug-2006 13:23:23] <oubiwann> Shazburg: there are a million reasons why a compile would fail ;-)
[09-Aug-2006 13:23:50] <oubiwann> Shazburg: but for us to help, we'll need more details
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:18] <oubiwann> Shazburg: you can paste erros and script output here:
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:29] <oubiwann> http://pastebin.adytum.us/
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:30] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:41] <Shazburg> Of course. And thanks for responding.
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:57] <oubiwann> and you can send your zenbuild.log to the mail list, if needed
[09-Aug-2006 13:26:23] <Shazburg> I did just find a similar posting on the mailing list that I'd overlooked before. I'm going to run with that for the moment and see how that pans out.
[09-Aug-2006 13:26:34] <oubiwann> also, you may want to check out these messages on the mail list:
[09-Aug-2006 13:26:48] <oubiwann> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001098.html
[09-Aug-2006 13:27:17] <oubiwann> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001102.html
[09-Aug-2006 13:27:31] <Shazburg> That first one! That's my problem!
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[09-Aug-2006 13:28:48] <oubiwann> Shazburg: cool -- then that should take care of it for you ;-)
[09-Aug-2006 13:29:10] <Shazburg> Thank you very much.
[09-Aug-2006 13:29:25] <oubiwann> np ;-)
[09-Aug-2006 13:39:09] <Shazburg> Am I correct in thinking that Zenoss is built on nagios?
[09-Aug-2006 13:39:31] <oubiwann> no! not at all, thank goodness!
[09-Aug-2006 13:39:46] <oubiwann> we've just recently added support for nagios plugins, though
[09-Aug-2006 13:40:00] <Shazburg> Ah.
[09-Aug-2006 13:40:17] <oubiwann> I think it's fair to say that zenoss is far more scalable than nagios
[09-Aug-2006 13:40:27] <Shazburg> That's why there's the "nagios" and "nagios-plugins" compiles.
[09-Aug-2006 13:40:41] <oubiwann> and provides a much more comprehensive set of tools for managing network resources
[09-Aug-2006 13:41:03] <oubiwann> Shazburg: yup -- just there for the Nagios plugins support
[09-Aug-2006 13:41:14] <Shazburg> I'm really looking forward to running Zenoss. I've used nagios before and was always frustrated by the configuration method.
[09-Aug-2006 13:41:24] <oubiwann> heh, indeed
[09-Aug-2006 13:45:12] <Shazburg> Now if I'm reading these mail posts right, I should just run ./install again once graphviz is finished compiling, correct?
[09-Aug-2006 13:46:15] <Shazburg> Or should I "make clean" first?
[09-Aug-2006 13:46:41] <oubiwann> no need to make clean
[09-Aug-2006 13:46:47] <Shazburg> Groovy.
[09-Aug-2006 14:19:01] <zaf> would it be a good idea to make a new production state for devices that are production, but non-critical? for example, printers that I have collected from snmp?
[09-Aug-2006 14:20:39] <zaf> .....and how would i do that? heh
[09-Aug-2006 14:21:08] <oubiwann> zaf: it's my understanding that the production state of the boxes is metadata intended to facilitate SLAs, but Erik is the one that came up with that originally, so he can speak to that
[09-Aug-2006 14:22:06] <oubiwann> zaf: so it really depends on the business model... you have printers that are "production"?
[09-Aug-2006 14:22:31] <zaf> i'm monitoring networks that belong to many companies
[09-Aug-2006 14:23:00] <zaf> i want to be alerted when things like servers and firewalls go down, but i dont care about printers. it's nice having the printers in there to see their stats, etc, though
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[09-Aug-2006 14:25:11] <zaf> in general, i want to be able to make certain devices more important than others
[09-Aug-2006 14:25:11] <oubiwann> zaf: for me personally, I'd not put them in production state... regardless, this goes back to your question :-) and yes, I think it's a good idea to separate into a different "prod state"
[09-Aug-2006 14:26:09] <zaf> i agree there. it just seems to be that there should be different levfels of production state
[09-Aug-2006 14:26:17] <zaf> er, levels
[09-Aug-2006 14:26:29] <oubiwann> zaf: have you considered using Groups?
[09-Aug-2006 14:26:43] <oubiwann> and/or Systems?
[09-Aug-2006 14:26:52] <zaf> hmm
[09-Aug-2006 14:27:05] <zaf> that's worth thinking about
[09-Aug-2006 14:27:07] <oubiwann> All of these (even the prod state) are on the Device Edit tab
[09-Aug-2006 14:27:35] <zaf> is there any real difference between 'group' and 'system' other than different ways of organizing things?
[09-Aug-2006 14:28:11] <oubiwann> I'm not sure what Erik had in mind exactly when he added those, but they are blank canvases and I think you can pretty much do what ever you want with them
[09-Aug-2006 14:28:44] <zaf> i'll give that a try, thanks
[09-Aug-2006 14:28:45] <oubiwann> given the little that I know about your setup, I might use the "Systems" one over the "Groups"
[09-Aug-2006 14:29:19] <zaf> what i'm thinking of doing is using Groups to categorize how important I think a device's status is
[09-Aug-2006 14:29:39] <oubiwann> that sounds great :-)
[09-Aug-2006 14:29:46] <zaf> a printer or pc will be very low, a branch office firewall will be higher, and a central vpn concentrator will be highest
[09-Aug-2006 14:38:35] <zaf> now i need a way to bulk-edit all these devices, heh
[09-Aug-2006 14:45:03] <zaf> are there any docs on using zendmd?
[09-Aug-2006 15:04:00] <oubiwann> zaf: I actually don't know
[09-Aug-2006 15:04:08] <oubiwann> but I do know a little about it
[09-Aug-2006 15:04:21] <oubiwann> I use it for testing, so feel free to ask questions
[09-Aug-2006 15:04:29] <oubiwann> and I'll do my best to answer :-)
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[09-Aug-2006 15:33:39] <zaf> hrm
[09-Aug-2006 15:33:45] <zaf> hrm
[09-Aug-2006 15:34:06] <zaf> erik may know
[09-Aug-2006 15:34:24] <zaf> edahl, is there any way to bulk-change the group membership of devices
[09-Aug-2006 15:35:20] <zaf> like in zendmd, could i modify the properties of a device?
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[09-Aug-2006 16:24:07] <jeffneradka> do you recommend disabling sun's snmp daemons and installing net-snmp or some other agent? im getting alot of bad oid messages on the default perf oid
[09-Aug-2006 16:42:46] <edahl> zaf: you can modify properties of a device in zendmd
[09-Aug-2006 16:42:59] <edahl> be carefull though you can mess things up
[09-Aug-2006 16:43:08] <edahl> you must commit after changes
[09-Aug-2006 16:43:09] <zaf> including the group it's in?
[09-Aug-2006 16:43:35] <edahl> yes one sec for example
[09-Aug-2006 16:44:59] <edahl> d=find('yourdevice')
[09-Aug-2006 16:45:31] <edahl> d.setGroups(["/Group1","/Group2"])
[09-Aug-2006 16:45:50] <edahl> for all devices call dmd.Devices.getSubDevices()
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[09-Aug-2006 16:46:02] <edahl> ie
[09-Aug-2006 16:46:09] <edahl> for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices()
[09-Aug-2006 16:46:53] <edahl> jeffneradka: we have a default template for net-snmp
[09-Aug-2006 16:47:06] <jeffneradka> right, thats why i was thinking of putting it on the sun boxes
[09-Aug-2006 16:47:08] <edahl> so that's a good bet (I think its pretty good on solaris)
[09-Aug-2006 16:47:13] <jeffneradka> ok
[09-Aug-2006 16:47:22] <edahl> I haven't done this in a while though
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[09-Aug-2006 16:59:21] <GreesMunky> join #opennms
[09-Aug-2006 16:59:45] <zaf> no
[09-Aug-2006 16:59:52] <GreesMunky> sorry, typo
[09-Aug-2006 17:00:03] <GreesMunky> it wasn't a request/recommendation!
[09-Aug-2006 17:00:08] <zaf> i know
[09-Aug-2006 17:00:16] <zaf> just thought it would be funny to say no
[09-Aug-2006 17:01:13] <GreesMunky> it would be a good reason to kick under normal circumstances...
[09-Aug-2006 17:11:58] <zaf> edahl, is there somewhere I can see how devices are addressed?
[09-Aug-2006 17:12:30] <edahl> hum what do you mean?
[09-Aug-2006 17:12:51] <zaf> for example, how would i query all devices under Devices/Printer ?
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:14] <edahl> for d in dmd.Devices.Printer.getSubDevices()
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:23] <edahl> will loop through all devices in Devices/Printer
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:31] <edahl> in zendmd
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:42] <zaf> ah, ha!
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:49] <zaf> cool
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:06] <edahl> you can call it anywhere in the devices tree
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:15] <edahl> to get the devices list from that point
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:39] <edahl> got to jump
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:48] <zaf> k, i'll start from here. thanks
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:53] <edahl> cool
[09-Aug-2006 17:20:11] <oubiwann> zaf: also, there's a generator version of that method:
[09-Aug-2006 17:20:18] <oubiwann> getSubDevicesGen()
[09-Aug-2006 17:20:34] <zaf> that 'find()' command, does it just find the first one, or is that some sort of list?
[09-Aug-2006 17:20:40] <oubiwann> in case there are thousands of them and you want to save memory, etc.
[09-Aug-2006 17:22:04] <Shazburg_> oubiwann: Could you post that link for posting debug output again? I've switched computers and forgot to bookmark it.
[09-Aug-2006 17:22:22] <oubiwann> yeah, beb
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[09-Aug-2006 17:28:23] <zaf> i get a syntax error with for d in dmd.Devices.Printer.getSubDevices()
[09-Aug-2006 17:29:35] * zaf should learn python
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[09-Aug-2006 17:42:14] <oubiwann> crap, sorry -- that took longer than I thought
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[09-Aug-2006 17:42:22] <Shazburg_> No worries.
[09-Aug-2006 17:42:41] <oubiwann> Shazburg_: sure thing, here's the url:
[09-Aug-2006 17:42:52] <oubiwann> http://pastebin.adytum.us/
[09-Aug-2006 17:42:52] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 17:43:13] <oubiwann> zaf: find() gets only one
[09-Aug-2006 17:43:20] <Shazburg_> Thank you.
[09-Aug-2006 17:43:39] <oubiwann> zaf and about that code, Erik never finished typing it to you :-)
[09-Aug-2006 17:43:58] <oubiwann> it should be
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:00] <oubiwann> or d in dmd.Devices.Printer.getSubDevices():
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:02] <oubiwann> crap
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:06] <oubiwann> for d in dmd.Devices.Printer.getSubDevices():
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:16] <oubiwann> print d
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:24] <oubiwann> # or do whatever else you want with d
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:38] <oubiwann> the indents are important, if you're not familiar with python
[09-Aug-2006 17:46:51] <oubiwann> hey fellas, I gotta run out to the store and buy a car battery... and then bring it back home in my backpack on my bike :-)
[09-Aug-2006 17:46:55] <Shazburg_> Can anyone point me in the right direction for this: http://pastebin.adytum.us/75
[09-Aug-2006 17:46:55] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 17:47:04] <oubiwann> Housemate killed the car battery
[09-Aug-2006 17:47:21] <oubiwann> Shazburg_: I'll take a quick look, then I gotta go
[09-Aug-2006 17:47:38] <Shazburg_> Groovy! Thank you.
[09-Aug-2006 17:48:13] <oubiwann> Oh, man Eric saw this one recently and Erik (edahl) figured it out... what was it...
[09-Aug-2006 17:48:38] <Shazburg_> Was it on the mailing list?
[09-Aug-2006 17:48:53] <oubiwann> nah, we three were in the same room at the time
[09-Aug-2006 17:49:49] <Shazburg_> Are there logs of this room kept on the site? Probably not.
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:11] <oubiwann> Oh, I think Eric had been doing some testing... yeah, this was it: he removed some directories in the Zenoss management interface
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:22] <oubiwann> I think he deleted "Devices" or something and hadn't put it back
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:32] <Shazburg_> He broke Trunk?
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:45] <oubiwann> no, no -- in his own Zenoss instance
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:50] <Shazburg_> Ah.
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:52] <oubiwann> not directories on the filesystem, but in Zope
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:57] <oubiwann> in the Zenoss interface
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:06] <oubiwann> have you removed anything from the interface?
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:26] <Shazburg_> Not a thing. This is the first thing I've tried to do post install.
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:28] <oubiwann> Deleted "Devices" or "Events"
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:30] <oubiwann> hmm
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:42] <oubiwann> What were you trying to do when you got this error?
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:53] <oubiwann> (and yet, there are logs of the chat rooms... getting link)
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:55] <Shazburg_> Add a device.
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:19] <Shazburg_> A Win2k3 box with SNMP
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:27] <oubiwann> IRC log files are here:
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:28] <oubiwann> http://www2.adytum.us/adytum-irclogs/
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:28] <adytum-bot> Title: Adytum IRC Logs (at www2.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:39] <Shazburg_> Groovy.
[09-Aug-2006 17:53:18] <oubiwann> Okay, so let me double check some things with you
[09-Aug-2006 17:53:32] <oubiwann> you're running under the user account "zenoss" correct?
[09-Aug-2006 17:54:16] <Shazburg_> Correct.
[09-Aug-2006 17:54:37] <oubiwann> can you paste the contents of your /etc/sudoers file to the pastebin?
[09-Aug-2006 17:55:03] <Shazburg_> Hold on.
[09-Aug-2006 17:55:19] <oubiwann> oh, and your zenoss account .profile/.bashrc/.bash_profile (which ever one you use)
[09-Aug-2006 17:56:28] <oubiwann> by account, I mean the shell account for the user "zenoss"
[09-Aug-2006 17:56:47] <Shazburg_> http://pastebin.adytum.us/76
[09-Aug-2006 17:56:47] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 17:56:54] <Shazburg_> Correct.
[09-Aug-2006 17:59:37] <oubiwann> I am completely not a sudoers guru, but I will list the differences between our files in case that's useful... but first:
[09-Aug-2006 18:00:11] <oubiwann> when you installed zenoss, did the install script output something about a successful ZODB import?
[09-Aug-2006 18:00:42] <Shazburg_> I didn't see one way or the other.
[09-Aug-2006 18:01:45] <Shazburg_> Though if I'd had a bogus Zope database, it shouldn't be starting up. Let me take a look at the Zope logs for any complaints.
[09-Aug-2006 18:02:00] <oubiwann> check your zenbuild.log and make sure there were no ZODB errors
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:06] <oubiwann> my Defaults section is different than yours in that I don't have an "env_reset" directive
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:09] <oubiwann> I just have the following:
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:10] <oubiwann> Defaults env_keep += "PYTHONPATH ZENHOME"
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:37] <oubiwann> Also, you should post your shell account profile so we can see the env vars you've set up
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:39] <Shazburg_> I don't seen any ZODB errors in the log.
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:43] <oubiwann> okay
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:58] <Shazburg_> I did. Scroll down on 76 there and you'll see it below the sudoers.
[09-Aug-2006 18:04:29] <oubiwann> it's having a problem because the zenoss instance isn't finding a ZENHOME declaration in your environment
[09-Aug-2006 18:04:50] <oubiwann> the most obvious potential causes of this would be:
[09-Aug-2006 18:05:09] <oubiwann> 1) a bad/missing entry in the account profile for ZENHOME
[09-Aug-2006 18:05:28] <oubiwann> 2) a bad entry in the sudoers file for the env settings
[09-Aug-2006 18:06:08] <oubiwann> the other things I've mentioned can also throw a similar error, if my memory serves, but the cause is not direct
[09-Aug-2006 18:06:26] <oubiwann> I do have to go, though. So here's what I would suggest:
[09-Aug-2006 18:06:42] <oubiwann> 1) double check your zenoss env settings in the profile/rc file
[09-Aug-2006 18:06:47] <Shazburg_> Hold the phone.
[09-Aug-2006 18:06:58] <oubiwann> 2) make sure that ...
[09-Aug-2006 18:07:00] <oubiwann> holding ;-)
[09-Aug-2006 18:07:33] <Shazburg_> You made me look at suders again. Thank you. Can't have two defaults.
[09-Aug-2006 18:07:48] <oubiwann> cool :-)
[09-Aug-2006 18:07:57] <Shazburg_> Defaults !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn,env_keep+="PYTHONPATH ZENHOME"
[09-Aug-2006 18:08:18] <Shazburg_> I combined the two lines and removed the differences between us.
[09-Aug-2006 18:08:33] <oubiwann> cool, I hope that works :-)
[09-Aug-2006 18:08:49] <Shazburg_> My new server is added. I have a brand new error from restarting Zenoss, but I'll work on it solo before bothering anyone else with it.
[09-Aug-2006 18:08:57] <oubiwann> gotta bounce, good luck, and I may be on later tonight
[09-Aug-2006 18:09:00] <Shazburg_> Thank you again, oubiwann.
[09-Aug-2006 18:09:12] <oubiwann> cool, glad there's some progress at least :-)
[09-Aug-2006 18:09:13] <oubiwann> np ;-)
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[09-Aug-2006 20:54:15] <socialist> I'm running a zendisc on a large subnet (/16) and I have no idea how far it's progressed or anything, is there a way to increase verbosity or otherwise see it's progress?
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[09-Aug-2006 21:36:49] <socialist> any ideas what this means? ERROR:zen.ZenDisc:Error performing net descovery on database conflict error (oid 0xdf4e, class Products.ZenRelations.ToManyContRelationship.ToManyContRelationship)
[09-Aug-2006 21:41:08] <socialist> zendisc spit that out after (I'm guessing) completing the pingscan of a /16, but before starting the modelling
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[10-Aug-2006 01:48:31] <Raul> Is there a way to provide single signon to zenoss? Anyone doing this?
[10-Aug-2006 02:05:10] <socialist> not sure, but I'd like to see kerberos support
[10-Aug-2006 03:10:34] <socialist> Raul: btw, zenoss appears to use Zope acl_users folders like most any other zope app. Not sure about the internals, but it looks mostly like it would support anything that zope can do..
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[10-Aug-2006 06:58:00] <GreesMunky> are there any more/updated documents regarding the install procesudre?
[10-Aug-2006 06:58:07] <GreesMunky> I mean procedure
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[10-Aug-2006 09:22:39] <zaf> socialist, add -v10 to your zendisc command line to increase verbosity so you can see what it's working on
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[10-Aug-2006 10:17:14] <adam_> oubiwann: i've got a quick question about building on an intel mac
[10-Aug-2006 10:17:43] <oubiwann> amodlin: go for it
[10-Aug-2006 10:18:00] <oubiwann> amodlin: er, I mean, share your question :-)
[10-Aug-2006 10:18:30] <amodlin> did you ever get any errors running the install script? i'm trying to install and i'm getting an error at the grahpviz part
[10-Aug-2006 10:18:38] <oubiwann> yeah, I did
[10-Aug-2006 10:18:53] <oubiwann> let me get the mail list item I posted about it
[10-Aug-2006 10:19:09] <amodlin> oh ok, I didn't realize you posted t the list about that
[10-Aug-2006 10:19:42] <oubiwann> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001098.html
[10-Aug-2006 10:19:42] <oubiwann> amodlin: no prob :-)
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[10-Aug-2006 10:21:03] <amodlin> ok, thanks a bunch
[10-Aug-2006 10:21:10] <oubiwann> you bet :-)
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[10-Aug-2006 10:42:08] <amodlin> oubiwann: am I going to have trouble installing zenoss with python 2.3?
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[10-Aug-2006 10:57:57] <amodlin> oubiwann: following your instructions i still got the same error
[10-Aug-2006 10:58:47] <GreesMunky> I get startup errors on Debian sarge...File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/zenping.py", line 22, in ?
[10-Aug-2006 10:58:49] <GreesMunky> import Globals # make zope imports work
[10-Aug-2006 10:58:50] <GreesMunky> ImportError: No module named Globals
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:03] <GreesMunky> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/zensyslog.py", line 24, in ?
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:05] <GreesMunky> import Globals
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:07] <GreesMunky> ImportError: No module named Globals
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:14] <GreesMunky> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/zentrap.py", line 17, in ?
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:15] <GreesMunky> from twisted.python import threadable
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:17] <GreesMunky> ImportError: No module named twisted.python
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:29] <ecn> sudo is not preserving your environment variables
[10-Aug-2006 11:01:48] <ecn> you probably need a "Defaults env_reset" line in /etc/sudoers
[10-Aug-2006 11:01:58] <GreesMunky> ok, thanks
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[10-Aug-2006 12:08:49] <oubiwann> amodlin: I'm back
[10-Aug-2006 12:09:09] <oubiwann> amodlin: edahl actually runs on python 2.3, so that shouldn't be a problem
[10-Aug-2006 12:09:22] <amodlin> oubiwann: i'm still getting the same problem after following the mailing list instuctions
[10-Aug-2006 12:09:42] <oubiwann> hmmm... could you post the traceback/error message to a pastebin
[10-Aug-2006 12:10:00] <oubiwann> you can use this one if you want:
[10-Aug-2006 12:10:01] <oubiwann> http://pastebin.adytum.us/
[10-Aug-2006 12:10:01] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[10-Aug-2006 12:10:12] <amodlin> sure thing
[10-Aug-2006 12:11:29] <amodlin> ok done
[10-Aug-2006 12:11:55] <amodlin> be right back real quick
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[10-Aug-2006 12:17:10] <amodlin> oubiwann: sorry about that, i'm back
[10-Aug-2006 12:17:16] <oubiwann> no prob
[10-Aug-2006 12:17:39] <oubiwann> taking a look... this is actually a different error than that which the mail list post addresses
[10-Aug-2006 12:18:28] <oubiwann> amodlin: I'm gonna ask one more favor :-)
[10-Aug-2006 12:18:32] <amodlin> sure thing
[10-Aug-2006 12:18:48] <oubiwann> amodlin: could you send me your zenbuild.log? duncan at zenoss dot com
[10-Aug-2006 12:19:17] <amodlin> sure
[10-Aug-2006 12:20:14] <oubiwann> there's a lib missing somewhere... and maybe more context will help me figure it out :-)
[10-Aug-2006 12:20:43] <amodlin> i had ecn take a look at it, he fooled around with some configure stuff...said the linking was out of order or somethng like that
[10-Aug-2006 12:21:58] <oubiwann> yeah, it's trying to link against a library it can't find
[10-Aug-2006 12:22:06] <oubiwann> at least, that's what it looks like so far
[10-Aug-2006 12:24:10] <amodlin> ok i've sent it. it might be a little wierd, because I tried to do what you had on that list
[10-Aug-2006 12:24:17] <amodlin> if you need me to I can i just run a fresh install
[10-Aug-2006 12:24:31] <zaf> oubiwann zaf: find() gets only one
[10-Aug-2006 12:24:42] <zaf> oubiwann, is there a command that will find them all?
[10-Aug-2006 12:24:56] <oubiwann> zaf: yup, that's what I said yesterday ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 12:25:06] <oubiwann> zaf: you're looking for devices, right?
[10-Aug-2006 12:26:49] <zaf> yeah, i want to pattern match device names into a list
[10-Aug-2006 12:27:30] <oubiwann> pattern match... well, that's not actually supported in trunk yet
[10-Aug-2006 12:28:07] <zaf> heh
[10-Aug-2006 12:28:21] <oubiwann> I've got the code written for it, but I need to write the migrate function that will move current zenoss installations into the new device search functionality
[10-Aug-2006 12:28:22] <oubiwann> however
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:09] <oubiwann> [ x for x in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices() if ... ]
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:15] <oubiwann> would do what you want
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:21] <oubiwann> and in ... you can do a regex
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:32] <zaf> ah
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:36] <amodlin> oubiwann: did you get that zenbuild?
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:48] <oubiwann> amodlin: sure did... got open now
[10-Aug-2006 12:30:07] <amodlin> ok
[10-Aug-2006 12:31:18] <oubiwann> amodlin: hmmm... you might want to try setting your LDFLAGS env var as well as the CPPFLAGS
[10-Aug-2006 12:31:57] <amodlin> what would I set that to
[10-Aug-2006 12:32:11] <oubiwann> amodlin: in that email, I set CPPFLAGS to use my apple framework python includes as well as the zenoss includes
[10-Aug-2006 12:32:38] <amodlin> oubiwann: right, I did that, except mine is with 2.3
[10-Aug-2006 12:32:38] <oubiwann> amodlin: so, for the LDFLAGS, you might want to try setting it to /Users/bk/zenoss/lib
[10-Aug-2006 12:32:59] <amodlin> all right, and just run the install script again?
[10-Aug-2006 12:33:11] <oubiwann> no guarantees, but that *might* help... still looking
[10-Aug-2006 12:33:52] <oubiwann> just to be sure, I'd start over with a rm -rf /Users/bk/zenoss/* as well as a removal of your build dir
[10-Aug-2006 12:35:02] <oubiwann> hmmm... but most of your graphviz stuff is compiling just fine
[10-Aug-2006 12:35:13] <amodlin> oubiwann: ok sounds good. i'm running a fresh install with the LDFLAGS env var
[10-Aug-2006 12:36:48] <oubiwann> amodlin: you did export LDFLAGS=-L/Users/bk/zenoss/lib, right?
[10-Aug-2006 12:37:09] <oubiwann> (or the equiv for whatever shell you use)
[10-Aug-2006 12:38:05] <amodlin> i did export LDFLAGS="/Users/bk/zenoss/lib"
[10-Aug-2006 12:38:15] <oubiwann> nope, that won't work
[10-Aug-2006 12:38:21] <amodlin> what's the -L for
[10-Aug-2006 12:39:13] <oubiwann> it's just the syntax for setting the lib paths
[10-Aug-2006 12:42:15] <amodlin> ok
[10-Aug-2006 12:42:25] <amodlin> did I need to do that for the CPPFLAGS also
[10-Aug-2006 12:42:29] <oubiwann> amodlin: so, it looks like lefty is the only problem
[10-Aug-2006 12:42:46] <oubiwann> lefty is a part of graphviz I'm pretty sure were not using at all
[10-Aug-2006 12:43:33] <amodlin> Ah
[10-Aug-2006 12:43:36] <amodlin> I see
[10-Aug-2006 12:44:00] <oubiwann> I need to unpack a graphviz tarball so I can see what options exist for building without lefty...
[10-Aug-2006 12:44:32] <amodlin> ok
[10-Aug-2006 12:46:20] <oubiwann> I guess try --without-lefty when you do the manual configure of graphviz...
[10-Aug-2006 12:55:20] <zaf> in zendmd, if d is a device, how do i return the ip address of d?
[10-Aug-2006 13:06:57] <oubiwann> zaf: starting up dmd now, and then I'll share some quick pointers with you :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:09:53] <oubiwann> okay, so you have python at your fingertips when in the dbd
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:01] <oubiwann> er, dmd even ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:15] <oubiwann> so you can do stuff like:
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:33] <oubiwann> d = find('192.168.*')
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:36] <oubiwann> and then dir(d)
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:39] <oubiwann> *however*
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:48] <oubiwann> you also get all of Zope's madness
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:58] <oubiwann> so there's a LOT of stuff that will return in a dir()
[10-Aug-2006 13:11:29] <zaf> yah, just found the dir() command, that helps a bunch
[10-Aug-2006 13:11:35] <oubiwann> to pare that down some, here's what I do
[10-Aug-2006 13:11:45] <oubiwann> [ x for x in dir(d) if '__' not in x ]
[10-Aug-2006 13:12:04] <oubiwann> that usualy gives me the attrs/methods that I'm curious about
[10-Aug-2006 13:12:19] <oubiwann> since I rarely ever need private stuff
[10-Aug-2006 13:12:29] <oubiwann> nor the *__* stuff that Zope defines
[10-Aug-2006 13:13:33] <oubiwann> to look at all the get*() methods, just do this:
[10-Aug-2006 13:13:42] <oubiwann> [ x for x in dir(d) if x.startswith('get') ]
[10-Aug-2006 13:13:46] <oubiwann> and so forth
[10-Aug-2006 13:14:50] <oubiwann> for the ip of a device, you probably want the .manageIp attr
[10-Aug-2006 13:15:13] <zaf> thanks
[10-Aug-2006 13:15:29] <oubiwann> sorry about the long answer, but I figure that will be very helpful for you as you play :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:15:35] <zaf> yeah
[10-Aug-2006 13:15:57] <zaf> it's mostly my lack of python knowledge that's slowing me down. if i knew python better i could figure this stuff out myself
[10-Aug-2006 13:16:10] <oubiwann> being a code guy, I prefer to work in the dmd than the web interface :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:16:16] <oubiwann> yeah, you'll catch on really quick
[10-Aug-2006 13:16:33] <oubiwann> if you found dir() on your own that fast, you're doing great ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:16:52] <zaf> found guido's tutorial
[10-Aug-2006 13:17:26] <oubiwann> yeah, that's where I started -- teach yourself python in 4 hours, tops :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:17:58] <zaf> yeah, if i ever had 4 hours without an interruption, i'd have a whole lot done in my life
[10-Aug-2006 13:22:58] * oubiwann laughs
[10-Aug-2006 13:23:00] <oubiwann> indeed
[10-Aug-2006 13:24:37] <zaf> woohoo! progress!
[10-Aug-2006 13:25:30] <oubiwann> nice :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:26:53] <zaf> now i have a way of mass-setting Location by regex on the IP
[10-Aug-2006 13:31:43] <oubiwann> zaf: what are you trying to do?
[10-Aug-2006 13:32:54] <zaf> organize all these devices i have discovered
[10-Aug-2006 13:33:03] <zaf> about 30 subnets
[10-Aug-2006 13:33:11] <zaf> all discovered with zendisc
[10-Aug-2006 13:33:42] <zaf> it's just a bit slow to do it with the web interface
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[10-Aug-2006 13:35:12] <oubiwann> zaf: ah, I see
[10-Aug-2006 13:35:36] <oubiwann> that's a good question
[10-Aug-2006 13:35:43] <oubiwann> should be fairly easy
[10-Aug-2006 13:35:55] <oubiwann> all you really need is the steps for a "move"
[10-Aug-2006 13:36:05] <oubiwann> s/is/are/
[10-Aug-2006 13:38:09] <zaf> for each device i've discovered, I need to set the Location Path, System, Group, and Device Class
[10-Aug-2006 13:38:34] <zaf> ideally if i could just select a few devices at a time and set those things, it would be perfect
[10-Aug-2006 13:40:21] <oubiwann> cool, you've already done the research on the methods -- that's awesome
[10-Aug-2006 13:40:44] <oubiwann> all you need to do is regex the IPs in a list comprehension like I showed you
[10-Aug-2006 13:40:51] <oubiwann> actually, I take it back
[10-Aug-2006 13:40:58] <oubiwann> you probably want to do this in a for loop
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:04] <oubiwann> too much going on at once
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:17] <oubiwann> so just iterate through all your devices
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:22] <oubiwann> and check their IPs
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:26] <oubiwann> and move accordingly
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:43] <oubiwann> for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices():
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[10-Aug-2006 13:42:00] <oubiwann> if d.manageIp == whatever
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:01] <oubiwann> or
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:28] <oubiwann> if regex.match('some_exp', d.manageIp):
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:40] <oubiwann> note that you will need to import re
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:52] <zaf> yeah, that's how i did i
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:53] <zaf> t
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:54] <oubiwann> doh, and my command above is wrong, it should be
[10-Aug-2006 13:43:01] <oubiwann> re.match(
[10-Aug-2006 13:43:20] <rputzler> Has anyone implemented a single signon solution with zenoss, I looked at RemoteUserAuth which is recommended for plone under zope but I was unable to get it to work. Wondering if this problem has already been solved.
[10-Aug-2006 13:43:24] <oubiwann> so I think you have everything you need -- are you having a specific hang-up?
[10-Aug-2006 13:43:35] <zaf> nah, just doing the leg work now
[10-Aug-2006 13:43:51] <oubiwann> rputzler: what are you trying to authenticate against?
[10-Aug-2006 13:44:24] <zaf> rputzler, that's one of my next projects.. that and getting plone and zenoss in the same zope instance
[10-Aug-2006 13:44:24] <oubiwann> rputzler: also, Zenoss if CMF-based, not plone-based (that's why it's so much faster than a plone app!)
[10-Aug-2006 13:44:38] <rputzler> User is already authenticated by apache against a custom datasource.
[10-Aug-2006 13:45:16] <oubiwann> rputzler: is it an http basic auth?
[10-Aug-2006 13:45:35] <rputzler> No, form based.
[10-Aug-2006 13:46:13] <rputzler> Most products I've integrated allow me to pass the authenticated user in a header and setup a trust relationship to the source ip of apache.
[10-Aug-2006 13:48:16] <oubiwann> hrm... all my experience in integrating is at the coding level
[10-Aug-2006 13:48:31] <oubiwann> auth integration, I mean
[10-Aug-2006 13:48:54] <oubiwann> rputzler: so help me with the flow you have
[10-Aug-2006 13:49:08] <oubiwann> rputzler: user fills in form
[10-Aug-2006 13:49:13] <oubiwann> rputzler: posts to apache
[10-Aug-2006 13:49:34] <oubiwann> rputzler: apache grants auth accordingly
[10-Aug-2006 13:49:45] <oubiwann> rputzler: then what does your other app do, exactly?
[10-Aug-2006 13:50:15] <rputzler> user logs into our support portal which authenticates via a ruby on rails app to mysql, user clicks a link to a reverse proxied url to zenoss.
[10-Aug-2006 13:50:15] <oubiwann> rputzler: or do you push from apache as soon as it auths a user?
[10-Aug-2006 13:50:41] <oubiwann> rputzler: I mean non-zenoss
[10-Aug-2006 13:51:08] <oubiwann> rputzler: I need a better picture of how your other apps are authingn against apache
[10-Aug-2006 13:53:18] <rputzler> They don't , basically I reverse proxy the other apps and during the reverse proxy I add a header of "REMOTE_USER" and populate with the userid of the authenticated user. The the app is configured to not challenge for a password when the source ip is apache and the REMOTE_USER header is populated with a valid userid.
[10-Aug-2006 13:56:50] <rputzler> I know I can have the reverse proxy insert the authorization header with the base64 encoded userid/password, I was just hoping that something better/simpler that might already exist so that I don't have to replicate passwords around to multiple systems. We are planning on using ldap at somepoint in the future, but that architecture has it's own set of issues and challenges.
[10-Aug-2006 13:57:56] <oubiwann> rputzler:
[10-Aug-2006 13:57:58] <oubiwann> oops
[10-Aug-2006 13:58:00] <oubiwann> :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:58:07] <oubiwann> rputzler: okay, that makes sense
[10-Aug-2006 13:58:37] <oubiwann> I'll add a ticket for it and see if that's something Erik wants one of us to add -- I don't see why not
[10-Aug-2006 13:59:35] <oubiwann> there might be some security concerns, so we might have to add a UI portion to enable this, with disclaimers and warnings, etc.
[10-Aug-2006 13:59:40] <rputzler> Thanks.
[10-Aug-2006 14:03:08] <oubiwann> rputzler: you know, in Zope you can auth against the URL directly
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[10-Aug-2006 14:03:16] <oubiwann> rputzler: you really want https for that, though ;-)
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[10-Aug-2006 14:04:00] <oubiwann> rputzler: so, you could hit https://user:passwd@yourserver.com:8080/zport/dmdpasswd@yourserver.com:8080/zport/dmd
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[10-Aug-2006 14:04:29] <oubiwann> (heh, the bot tried to look up the title for that URL)
[10-Aug-2006 14:05:10] <oubiwann> rputzler: if you're building links in your web interface dynamically, you could probably use that
[10-Aug-2006 14:06:03] <oubiwann> and if you're using https, that would be a more secure solution (we wouldn't have to mess with security issues in Zenoss, I mean)
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[10-Aug-2006 14:52:38] <rputzler> oubiwann: sorry had to step a way for a little while. Thanks for the suggestion I'll give it a try, I just wanted to avoid having to keep the users password around in clear text like that.
[10-Aug-2006 14:53:21] <oubiwann> well, if it's dynamically generated, it won't be saved anywhere
[10-Aug-2006 14:53:49] <oubiwann> you could just pull if from Apache/the header (after login)
[10-Aug-2006 14:54:19] <oubiwann> the user would click on the link, and they'd be in an auth'ed zenoss instance...
[10-Aug-2006 14:55:16] <rputzler> Good point, actually that should make this implementation pretty clean. Let me give it a try.
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[10-Aug-2006 15:45:07] <ecn> oubiwann: what files did you need?
[10-Aug-2006 15:45:35] <oubiwann> ecn: hey! lemme get their names...
[10-Aug-2006 15:46:07] <oubiwann> getRouterGraph and getNetworkGraph
[10-Aug-2006 15:46:39] <oubiwann> er, those should have .pt extensions...
[10-Aug-2006 15:46:45] <ecn> what box were you using?
[10-Aug-2006 15:46:53] <oubiwann> .14
[10-Aug-2006 15:48:25] <ecn> no getRouterGraph on the box
[10-Aug-2006 15:49:05] <oubiwann> it might be in a location that the locatedb is skipping
[10-Aug-2006 15:49:21] * oubiwann tries to remember the path
[10-Aug-2006 15:49:23] <ecn> I assumed it would be in /usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/skins/zenmodel
[10-Aug-2006 15:49:44] <oubiwann> yeah, that's where it should be...
[10-Aug-2006 15:50:15] <oubiwann> was the box wipped?
[10-Aug-2006 15:50:36] <oubiwann> the graphs we were looking at when I was there were generated by those files
[10-Aug-2006 15:50:44] <oubiwann> so at one point, they were there
[10-Aug-2006 15:51:04] <oubiwann> oh, doh
[10-Aug-2006 15:51:08] <oubiwann> I'm an idiot
[10-Aug-2006 15:51:25] <oubiwann> I think we took them out of .pt
[10-Aug-2006 15:51:43] <oubiwann> and put them on Device
[10-Aug-2006 15:52:17] <ecn> right... and they return '' for me
[10-Aug-2006 15:52:18] <ecn> 8-)
[10-Aug-2006 15:58:48] <oubiwann> In the browser, I get a URL instead of an image...
[10-Aug-2006 16:01:14] <oubiwann> ah
[10-Aug-2006 16:01:29] <oubiwann> there is a problem with graphviz or pydot compiling
[10-Aug-2006 16:02:08] <oubiwann> I just did a python session importing pydot and creating a graph
[10-Aug-2006 16:02:41] <oubiwann> loaded up the graph image in a browser, and there's no image -- just the URL to the image (file:///Users/oubiwann/Desktop/graph_from_edges_dot.jpg)
[10-Aug-2006 16:03:16] <oubiwann> this is a bigger problem than I thought... and doesn't seem to be Zenoss-related
[10-Aug-2006 16:04:03] <oubiwann> ecn: when you get a chance, could you run some code in an interactive python session for me?
[10-Aug-2006 16:04:34] <oubiwann> ecn: http://pastebin.adytum.us/78
[10-Aug-2006 16:04:34] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
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[10-Aug-2006 16:06:37] <oubiwann> ecn: then check out the image... if it's not an image of 4 nodes, then there's a problem how our graphviz's are being built
[10-Aug-2006 16:12:45] <ecn> zero-length file
[10-Aug-2006 16:14:25] <ecn> postscript isn't working either
[10-Aug-2006 16:14:27] <ecn> ugh
[10-Aug-2006 16:18:37] <oubiwann> I'm gonna try this with graphviz directly and confirm that pydot's not the problem...
[10-Aug-2006 16:24:48] <oubiwann> well, dot seems to be working
[10-Aug-2006 16:24:54] <oubiwann> so that's GREAT news :-)
[10-Aug-2006 16:25:27] <oubiwann> the problem then may lie with pydot
[10-Aug-2006 16:29:30] <oubiwann> yeah, this is great... pydot hasn't been updated since 2004
[10-Aug-2006 16:30:12] <oubiwann> I'm going to try running with this with an older version of pyparsing (first)
[10-Aug-2006 16:30:22] <oubiwann> and if that doesn't work, graphviz as well
[10-Aug-2006 16:36:52] <ecn> btw, I did have pictures coming up at one point
[10-Aug-2006 16:40:21] <oubiwann> ecn: did you?
[10-Aug-2006 16:40:29] <oubiwann> oh dear, that makes it worse
[10-Aug-2006 16:40:38] <ecn> yes, when I did the make target
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[10-Aug-2006 17:27:59] <socialist> I might be missing it, but is there a way to add a single device from the commandline?
[10-Aug-2006 17:28:30] <socialist> I'm finding that zendisc is missing lots of hosts in its scans
[10-Aug-2006 17:28:50] <socialist> I have lists of IPs that I can add, but it would be nice not to add them each manually
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[10-Aug-2006 18:31:54] <oubiwann> socialist: you can use zendmd
[10-Aug-2006 18:35:13] <socialist> are there docs for that somewhere?
[10-Aug-2006 18:35:19] <oubiwann> hahaha
[10-Aug-2006 18:35:23] <socialist> HAH
[10-Aug-2006 18:35:26] <oubiwann> sorry ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 18:35:32] <socialist> been there
[10-Aug-2006 18:35:35] <oubiwann> that wasn't directed at you ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 18:35:53] <oubiwann> I'm actually looking through it right now to see if I can get you started...
[10-Aug-2006 18:36:04] <socialist> I can look through it
[10-Aug-2006 18:36:29] <socialist> but I'll gladly take pointers
[10-Aug-2006 18:36:52] <oubiwann> you can start with firing up zendmd
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:07] <socialist> looks like commandline of the web interface
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:15] <oubiwann> exactly
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:26] <oubiwann> er, almost
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:32] <socialist> close enough
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:39] <socialist> I do python and zope stuff, it's familiar
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:40] <oubiwann> it's missing some of the zope stuff that's present in the web IU
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:44] <oubiwann> yeah
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:58] <oubiwann> so it's still not full zope like you'd get in the interactive zope debugger, but it's close
[10-Aug-2006 18:38:59] <oubiwann> I can't for the life of me find something that looks like it could add a device
[10-Aug-2006 18:39:06] <oubiwann> it's *got* to be here somewhere, though...
[10-Aug-2006 18:39:43] <oubiwann> ah
[10-Aug-2006 18:39:48] <oubiwann> dmd.DeviceLoader
[10-Aug-2006 18:44:39] <oubiwann> socialist: how familiar with Zope are you?
[10-Aug-2006 18:45:21] <oubiwann> socialist: because if you know your ZPT, you can look at Products/ZenModel/skins/zenmodel/addDevice.pt for tips on how adding a device is done through the UI
[10-Aug-2006 18:49:02] <oubiwann> oh, by the way
[10-Aug-2006 18:49:22] <oubiwann> and I forgot to mention this to zat earlier
[10-Aug-2006 18:50:02] <oubiwann> thanks to Itamar Shtull-Trauring pyhistory code, we now have autocomplete in the dmd
[10-Aug-2006 18:50:34] <oubiwann> for example, if you type this:
[10-Aug-2006 18:50:35] <oubiwann> dmd.DeviceLoader.
[10-Aug-2006 18:50:57] <oubiwann> and then hit ESC twice, it will show you all the possible completions
[10-Aug-2006 18:51:28] <socialist> oh nice
[10-Aug-2006 18:53:15] <oubiwann> socialist: and you can add a device by doing this:
[10-Aug-2006 18:53:27] <oubiwann> dmd.DeviceLoader.loadDevice(...)
[10-Aug-2006 18:53:54] <oubiwann> I'm getting a link for the parameters/sig of that method
[10-Aug-2006 18:55:41] <oubiwann> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/trunk/Products/ZenModel/ZDeviceLoader.py
[10-Aug-2006 18:55:41] <adytum-bot> Title: /trunk/Products/ZenModel/ZDeviceLoader.py - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[10-Aug-2006 18:55:41] <oubiwann> line 79
[10-Aug-2006 18:56:09] <oubiwann> you can add a device with a minimum of deviceName and discoverProto, I think (testing now...)
[10-Aug-2006 18:56:30] <socialist> you can add with just an IP I think
[10-Aug-2006 18:56:39] <socialist> well, deviceName
[10-Aug-2006 18:57:12] <oubiwann> only if SNMP is enabled on the box, though
[10-Aug-2006 18:57:58] <oubiwann> with the minimum parameters, your device will be in the class path in "/Discovered" (web ui)
[10-Aug-2006 18:58:31] <oubiwann> so if know where you want to put it, you can add the parameter "devicePath"
[10-Aug-2006 18:58:45] <oubiwann> that should get you started :-)
[10-Aug-2006 18:59:02] <socialist> yep
[10-Aug-2006 18:59:28] <socialist> not bad, I can extend that easy
[10-Aug-2006 18:59:30] <socialist> I think
[10-Aug-2006 19:01:33] <oubiwann> just holler if you run into troubs
[10-Aug-2006 19:02:24] <socialist> thanks
[10-Aug-2006 19:02:29] <oubiwann> you bet
[10-Aug-2006 19:02:32] <oubiwann> oh, also -- it'd be helpful for us to know why you're not getting all your network devices
[10-Aug-2006 19:02:46] <socialist> I'm not sure yet
[10-Aug-2006 19:02:49] <oubiwann> feel free to post an FYI for us to the mail list
[10-Aug-2006 19:02:51] <oubiwann> oh, okay
[10-Aug-2006 19:03:07] <oubiwann> let us know when you've got some ideas :-)
[10-Aug-2006 19:03:12] <socialist> I'm trying to determine exactly what and home many are missing
[10-Aug-2006 19:03:17] <oubiwann> cool
[10-Aug-2006 19:03:52] <socialist> oh one thing I can say for certain, scanning a large subnet (/16) is problematic
[10-Aug-2006 19:04:32] <socialist> ping scan alone took about 4 hours, and then it died before adding any devices
[10-Aug-2006 19:05:19] <oubiwann> holy crap
[10-Aug-2006 19:05:45] <socialist> not sure if that was normal (the 4 hrs) or not, it was my first run with zendisc
[10-Aug-2006 19:05:52] <oubiwann> man, I wish I could test on a network that large...
[10-Aug-2006 19:05:58] <socialist> it's not that large
[10-Aug-2006 19:06:07] <socialist> old admin was a twerp
[10-Aug-2006 19:06:08] <oubiwann> (without having my ISP shut me down, that is)
[10-Aug-2006 19:06:12] <oubiwann> hah
[10-Aug-2006 19:06:28] <socialist> seriously, he gave us a /16 because you "never know"
[10-Aug-2006 19:06:49] <oubiwann> regardless, though, a port scanner sees all of that /16
[10-Aug-2006 19:07:03] <socialist> nmap -sP, yeah
[10-Aug-2006 19:07:30] <oubiwann> the twisted port scanner I wrote for Zenoss *should* scale, though
[10-Aug-2006 19:07:47] <oubiwann> so I wish I could test, watch, and tweak so that it was usable for large nets
[10-Aug-2006 19:08:03] <socialist> You might want to thread it
[10-Aug-2006 19:08:08] <oubiwann> WHAT?!
[10-Aug-2006 19:08:13] <oubiwann> you're talking to a twisted guy!
[10-Aug-2006 19:08:15] <oubiwann> heh
[10-Aug-2006 19:08:19] <socialist> haha
[10-Aug-2006 19:08:25] <oubiwann> We Don't Do Threads
[10-Aug-2006 19:08:28] <oubiwann> :-)
[10-Aug-2006 19:09:03] <oubiwann> it's setup right now to only use 50 deferreds at a time (DeferredSemaphore)
[10-Aug-2006 19:09:20] <oubiwann> but hell, I can just setup a bogus net here, my own /16
[10-Aug-2006 19:09:28] <oubiwann> I'll add a bug ticket for that now
[10-Aug-2006 19:10:19] <oubiwann> socialist: is gemstone.co your company where you're running Zenoss?
[10-Aug-2006 19:10:34] <socialist> trying it out yeah
[10-Aug-2006 19:11:20] <socialist> zenoss is basically a realization of some stuff I've been toying with for about 5 years
[10-Aug-2006 19:11:32] <socialist> you even used "my" language
[10-Aug-2006 19:11:36] <socialist> bastards
[10-Aug-2006 19:12:06] * oubiwann laughs
[10-Aug-2006 19:12:43] <oubiwann> well, I'm the author of pymon, part of which was inspired by Erik Dahl's work at USi (we both used to work there)
[10-Aug-2006 19:12:50] <oubiwann> they found pymon on the net, and then me
[10-Aug-2006 19:12:59] <oubiwann> then offered me a job
[10-Aug-2006 19:13:12] <oubiwann> so... ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 19:13:28] <oubiwann> there may be a future for you at Zenoss ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 19:14:12] <socialist> ooh I found my missing hosts
[10-Aug-2006 19:14:20] <socialist> zendisc is fine
[10-Aug-2006 19:15:14] <socialist> will zendisc skip hosts completely if they don't answer SNMP?
[10-Aug-2006 19:15:34] <socialist> hm, I thought it added device records, albeit empty...
[10-Aug-2006 19:16:22] <oubiwann> socialist: They were in /Discovered, right?
[10-Aug-2006 19:16:30] <socialist> no
[10-Aug-2006 19:16:38] <oubiwann> oh
[10-Aug-2006 19:16:40] <oubiwann> where?
[10-Aug-2006 19:16:41] <socialist> they just aren't answering snmp
[10-Aug-2006 19:16:45] <oubiwann> ah
[10-Aug-2006 19:17:10] <oubiwann> hmmm... I've got a bunch of hosts on my net, only one of which has snmp and they were all discovered
[10-Aug-2006 19:17:22] <socialist> damn ok so something is odd
[10-Aug-2006 19:17:29] <oubiwann> btw, I just created a bug
[10-Aug-2006 19:17:37] <oubiwann> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/254
[10-Aug-2006 19:17:37] <adytum-bot> Title: #254 (Scalability Issues with Twisted Port Scanner) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[10-Aug-2006 19:17:49] <oubiwann> if you want to keep updated, feel free to add yourself to the CC field
[10-Aug-2006 19:17:55] <oubiwann> and make comments
[10-Aug-2006 19:25:10] <socialist> oh too funny now I think I do know what it is
[10-Aug-2006 19:25:39] <socialist> most if not all of the missing devices are management cards, like IPMI stuff
[10-Aug-2006 19:26:17] <socialist> they appear to be forwarding snmp data from the running OS, so I'm getting conflicts when I run zendisc
[10-Aug-2006 19:26:29] <socialist> basically getting the same exact snmp data from 2 different IPs
[10-Aug-2006 19:30:50] <oubiwann> ah, that's interesting
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[11-Aug-2006 10:56:56] <giesen> haha
[11-Aug-2006 10:57:04] <giesen> I have two /16s on my network I have to scan
[11-Aug-2006 10:57:14] <giesen> and a /25
[11-Aug-2006 10:57:25] <giesen> I've never had it actually detect a device though
[11-Aug-2006 10:57:33] <giesen> I ended up adding all of my devices manually
[11-Aug-2006 11:11:51] <zaf> i found the DeviceLoader page that's under the zope admin page. that makes it easier to be repetitive and add a lot of devices quickly
[11-Aug-2006 11:34:38] <giesen> zaf have you used nagios plugins at all with zenoss?
[11-Aug-2006 11:39:52] <zaf> haven't even tried yet
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[11-Aug-2006 11:58:31] <oubiwann> giesen: were you using the portscanner? or the snmp auto-detection of Zenoss?
[11-Aug-2006 11:59:29] <giesen> snmp auto-detection
[11-Aug-2006 11:59:41] <giesen> I can manually add devices
[11-Aug-2006 11:59:46] <giesen> and it shows up in /devices
[11-Aug-2006 11:59:54] <giesen> I've never had ANYTHING show up in /discovered
[11-Aug-2006 11:59:57] <giesen> it's not a big deal
[11-Aug-2006 12:00:12] <giesen> there's definitely things I'm more worried about getting working in zenoss
[11-Aug-2006 12:00:16] <giesen> like nagios plugins
[11-Aug-2006 12:00:25] <giesen> and the ability to manually add services
[11-Aug-2006 12:01:35] <giesen> the problem with the nagios plugins is more of a documenation problem than anything
[11-Aug-2006 12:03:03] <giesen> even an example setup would probably help
[11-Aug-2006 12:03:12] <giesen> for the command template
[11-Aug-2006 12:04:19] <giesen> also
[11-Aug-2006 12:04:25] <giesen> I've got devices showing up in my dashboard
[11-Aug-2006 12:04:29] <giesen> that plain dont exist
[11-Aug-2006 12:16:20] <oubiwann> did they exist at one point? (I've got that problem on my Zenoss instance)
[11-Aug-2006 12:24:35] <oubiwann> giesen: as for the discovery, have you posted this to the mail list?
[11-Aug-2006 12:25:00] <oubiwann> giesen: this is really important, and even more so that it work on large networks
[11-Aug-2006 12:25:55] <oubiwann> giesen: there may indeed be a problem, but I have had lots of stuff show up in /Discovered, so there's probably something amiss in what you're doing... or
[11-Aug-2006 12:26:05] <oubiwann> giesen: you have a new use case that we haven't accounted for
[11-Aug-2006 12:26:31] <oubiwann> giesen: for either one, we need to get Eric and Erik involved in the discussion and make sure this is working on your large networks
[11-Aug-2006 12:36:20] <oubiwann> giesen: with regard to the manual adding of services... could you be more specific? I'm not sure how useful that would be...
[11-Aug-2006 12:37:06] <oubiwann> giesen: Zenoss needs to be aware of it and how to check it... it needs to be able to automatically check the service
[11-Aug-2006 12:38:01] <oubiwann> giesen: so if a service was added manually, it wouldn't know this information
[11-Aug-2006 12:38:33] <giesen> well I'd like it to at least check that the port is open
[11-Aug-2006 12:38:37] <giesen> and accepting connections
[11-Aug-2006 12:38:43] <oubiwann> giesen: so, can you tell us more about what services are not getting automatically disc--
[11-Aug-2006 12:38:43] <giesen> I guess nagios plugin support will help there
[11-Aug-2006 12:38:55] <giesen> well a) udp services
[11-Aug-2006 12:38:59] <oubiwann> yeah, and that's actually what the port scanner does
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:08] <giesen> I have a sip server
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:11] <giesen> and a tftp server
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:14] <giesen> neither is being picked up
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:15] <oubiwann> ah, portscanner is tcp
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:18] <oubiwann> yup
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:19] <oubiwann> awesome
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:22] <oubiwann> this is great info
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:27] <giesen> also
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:30] <giesen> I have a weird case
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:34] <giesen> that I'm not sure how to work around
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:41] <giesen> because of the way zenoss is architected
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:50] <giesen> I have two machines in a redundant failover configuration
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:59] <giesen> that share an IP
[11-Aug-2006 12:40:01] <oubiwann> ah, yes...
[11-Aug-2006 12:40:07] <oubiwann> keep going :-)
[11-Aug-2006 12:40:12] <giesen> I'd like to be able to keep that IP as a separate instance
[11-Aug-2006 12:40:21] <giesen> instead of being associated with one of the machines
[11-Aug-2006 12:40:36] <giesen> so I can monitor to make sure at least one of the machines is providing services on that ip
[11-Aug-2006 12:40:58] <giesen> I'm using linux-ha and drbd on it
[11-Aug-2006 12:41:25] <oubiwann> hmmm... that should actually be working. what's zenoss doing with it now?
[11-Aug-2006 12:41:50] <oubiwann> zenoss checks against an IP
[11-Aug-2006 12:42:02] <oubiwann> so which ever one is active should be getting monitored
[11-Aug-2006 12:42:28] <giesen> it has the IP bound to a particular machine
[11-Aug-2006 12:42:36] <giesen> so I have machine a and machine b
[11-Aug-2006 12:42:46] <giesen> with ips .1 and .2 respectively
[11-Aug-2006 12:42:49] <giesen> and .3 is the shared IP
[11-Aug-2006 12:42:57] <giesen> (it's passed to whichever machine is the master)
[11-Aug-2006 12:43:07] <oubiwann> I see, and you don't want to monitor .1 or .2?
[11-Aug-2006 12:43:10] <oubiwann> just .3?
[11-Aug-2006 12:43:13] <giesen> right now .3 is bound to machine 1
[11-Aug-2006 12:43:18] <giesen> but if it fails over
[11-Aug-2006 12:43:21] <giesen> it'll be bound to machine 2
[11-Aug-2006 12:44:13] <giesen> I want to make sure services are running on that IP
[11-Aug-2006 12:44:19] <giesen> independent of what machine it's bound to
[11-Aug-2006 12:44:27] <giesen> so really what I want is logically a third machine
[11-Aug-2006 12:45:47] <oubiwann> two things: 1) I think you're absolutely right, this should be supported... it shouldn't be *too* difficult, and think it would require we create a subclass of Device or a new DeviceAlias class
[11-Aug-2006 12:45:49] <oubiwann> 2)
[11-Aug-2006 12:45:57] <oubiwann> you should be able to get around this now
[11-Aug-2006 12:46:11] <oubiwann> by removing .1 and .2 and only looking at .3
[11-Aug-2006 12:46:32] <oubiwann> whatever IP it's pointing at will be the one it monitors
[11-Aug-2006 12:48:15] <oubiwann> brb
[11-Aug-2006 12:49:18] <giesen> well I'd still like to monitor .1 and .2
[11-Aug-2006 12:49:23] <giesen> but for different things
[11-Aug-2006 12:49:29] <giesen> here's my exact case
[11-Aug-2006 12:49:35] <giesen> I'm running asterisk
[11-Aug-2006 12:49:46] <giesen> so I'd like to monitor the asterisk instance that's running
[11-Aug-2006 12:49:49] <giesen> to make sure it's available
[11-Aug-2006 12:54:24] <oubiwann> (back)
[11-Aug-2006 12:54:59] <ecn> I would add the shared device IP .3, and rename it via the Manage tab
[11-Aug-2006 12:55:10] <ecn> then add the .1 & .2 devices normally
[11-Aug-2006 12:55:18] <oubiwann> that's what I was just going to say :-)
[11-Aug-2006 12:55:22] <ecn> that way you can monitor all 3
[11-Aug-2006 12:55:33] <ecn> and if it doesn't work, let us know and we'll fix it
[11-Aug-2006 12:56:03] <ecn> if you have questions about how the nagios plugins are supposed to work, I can try to answer that
[11-Aug-2006 13:02:59] <giesen> okay, I'll try that suggestion, it sounds reasonable
[11-Aug-2006 13:03:09] <giesen> ecn I just basically need an example template
[11-Aug-2006 13:04:39] <giesen> ecn so you're saying add the shared IP without using snmp?
[11-Aug-2006 13:06:07] <ecn> no, go ahead and use snmp
[11-Aug-2006 13:06:11] <ecn> but then rename the device
[11-Aug-2006 13:06:15] <giesen> oh okay
[11-Aug-2006 13:06:36] <ecn> can you run the nagios plugin from the command line?
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:00] <giesen> yep
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:02] <ecn> just paste that in the command section
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:11] <giesen> okay, so I need the full path and everything
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:24] <ecn> assuming it lives in $ZENHOME/libexec, you don't need the path to it
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:31] <giesen> okay
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:40] <giesen> I wasnt sure what zenoss provided in terms of variables I could use
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:45] <giesen> like nagios does
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:56] <ecn> right, I'm not sure either... didn't write that part 8-)
[11-Aug-2006 13:08:42] <giesen> okay
[11-Aug-2006 13:08:48] <giesen> here's the problem with your first suggestion
[11-Aug-2006 13:08:53] <giesen> when I try to add the device
[11-Aug-2006 13:09:04] <giesen> and then rename it
[11-Aug-2006 13:09:11] <giesen> I go to add the .1
[11-Aug-2006 13:09:16] <giesen> and it says the device already exists
[11-Aug-2006 13:09:23] <giesen> because it's discovered the IP on the .3 device
[11-Aug-2006 13:09:35] <ecn> ooh
[11-Aug-2006 13:09:45] <ecn> tricky
[11-Aug-2006 13:10:18] <ecn> I'll add a ticket
[11-Aug-2006 13:10:19] <oubiwann> giesen: I've actually gotten around this on my network
[11-Aug-2006 13:10:22] <giesen> if there was an easy way to delete stuff that it monitors
[11-Aug-2006 13:10:33] <giesen> that'd probably solve the problem
[11-Aug-2006 13:10:35] <oubiwann> giesen: by having multiple resolvable names
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:01] <giesen> oubiwann: I do
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:21] <oubiwann> have you tried adding it with a resolvable name that
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:21] <giesen> I have pbx.domain
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:23] <giesen> which is the shared IP
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:27] <giesen> and pbx1.domain
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:29] <giesen> and pbx2.domain
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:39] <giesen> I'll try it
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:48] <oubiwann> cool
[11-Aug-2006 13:12:23] <giesen> also
[11-Aug-2006 13:12:30] <giesen> you guys really need to do something useful with the mibs =)
[11-Aug-2006 13:12:42] <oubiwann> giesen: how so? what do you have in mind?
[11-Aug-2006 13:13:06] <giesen> well right now when I define a device
[11-Aug-2006 13:13:09] <giesen> and then perfconf
[11-Aug-2006 13:13:15] <giesen> I have to manually add all the OIDs
[11-Aug-2006 13:13:27] <giesen> ideally I'd like to be able to bind a mib to a device
[11-Aug-2006 13:13:37] <giesen> so it'll walk those OIDs
[11-Aug-2006 13:14:09] <giesen> or even a copy and paste function would be nice
[11-Aug-2006 13:14:16] <giesen> also
[11-Aug-2006 13:14:31] <giesen> I'd love to be able to browse the oid tree on a device
[11-Aug-2006 13:14:35] <giesen> and read and set any value
[11-Aug-2006 13:14:46] <giesen> (assuming I have a particular mib bound to a device)
[11-Aug-2006 13:15:12] <giesen> hmmm
[11-Aug-2006 13:15:17] <giesen> the idea with the hostnames isnt gonna work
[11-Aug-2006 13:15:25] <giesen> since the hostnames point to external IPs
[11-Aug-2006 13:15:31] <giesen> I guess I could edit /etc/hosts
[11-Aug-2006 13:15:34] <giesen> but that seems kind of dirty to me
[11-Aug-2006 13:15:52] <ecn> there are plans to do more with the mibs
[11-Aug-2006 13:15:54] <oubiwann> yeah, there's not question that this is a hack ;-)
[11-Aug-2006 13:16:11] <ecn> like what you are describing
[11-Aug-2006 13:16:17] <giesen> ecn also I ran into a bug
[11-Aug-2006 13:16:29] <giesen> erm wait
[11-Aug-2006 13:16:31] <giesen> I think I fixed that
[11-Aug-2006 13:16:35] <giesen> it was an IE-specific bug
[11-Aug-2006 13:17:11] <giesen> but one sort thing I'd like to be able to do
[11-Aug-2006 13:17:17] <giesen> is use an OID as a product key
[11-Aug-2006 13:17:25] <giesen> so that if that OID is present
[11-Aug-2006 13:17:37] <giesen> then zenoss knows that device such and such a product
[11-Aug-2006 13:17:42] <giesen> made by such and such a manufacturer
[11-Aug-2006 13:18:36] <giesen> but dont get me wrong guys
[11-Aug-2006 13:18:39] <giesen> I love zenoss
[11-Aug-2006 13:18:49] <giesen> it's the most full-featured oss nms I've ever seen
[11-Aug-2006 13:18:51] <giesen> and it works great
[11-Aug-2006 13:18:52] <oubiwann> and don't get us wrong, we *love* your input
[11-Aug-2006 13:18:55] <oubiwann> :-)
[11-Aug-2006 13:19:12] <giesen> and the great thing is zenoss is so brimming with possibility
[11-Aug-2006 13:19:13] <oubiwann> awesome, that's great to hear!
[11-Aug-2006 13:19:20] <giesen> because it's so well designed
[11-Aug-2006 13:19:35] <giesen> but an OID browser
[11-Aug-2006 13:19:45] <giesen> would really make it an enterprise-class NMS
[11-Aug-2006 13:21:08] <giesen> also
[11-Aug-2006 13:21:18] <giesen> is the SNPP functionality actually working?
[11-Aug-2006 13:22:04] <oubiwann> giesen: dunno about that. ecn?
[11-Aug-2006 13:22:29] <giesen> I want to put a modem in the box
[11-Aug-2006 13:22:32] <giesen> so that if the network is down
[11-Aug-2006 13:22:36] <giesen> and it cant get mail out
[11-Aug-2006 13:22:46] <giesen> it actually dials up and sends an SMS/page
[11-Aug-2006 13:23:15] <giesen> even better would be text-to-speech functionality
[11-Aug-2006 13:23:21] <giesen> where I actually get a phone call from the machine
[11-Aug-2006 13:23:29] <giesen> I have a buddy who used to work at a radio station
[11-Aug-2006 13:23:33] <giesen> and his transmitter did that
[11-Aug-2006 13:23:46] <giesen> but that's definitely not a priority for me
[11-Aug-2006 13:23:53] <giesen> just a would be nice to have
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:00] <giesen> there's other things I'd rather see first
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:21] <ecn> yes, other customers have pages go out all the time
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:29] <giesen> how is it configured?
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:39] <giesen> how do you configure which gateway it uses
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:40] <ecn> under users
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:42] <giesen> etc.
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:43] <ecn> dunno
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:45] <ecn> 8-)
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:49] <ecn> helpful, aren't I?
[11-Aug-2006 13:25:07] <giesen> I think that's one of zenoss' current worse problems
[11-Aug-2006 13:25:12] <giesen> is a lack of documentation
[11-Aug-2006 13:25:23] <ecn> ya... doc guy/gal is coming
[11-Aug-2006 13:25:23] <giesen> I know it's hard because the product it always changing
[11-Aug-2006 13:25:48] <giesen> probably half the stuff I want is implemented in some fashion or another
[11-Aug-2006 13:25:52] <giesen> but I dont know where it is/how to use it
[11-Aug-2006 13:26:21] <ecn> i know... i even forget how to do things I used to do
[11-Aug-2006 13:27:16] <giesen> I'm sure once I've played with it more
[11-Aug-2006 13:27:21] <giesen> I'll figure out a lot of the stuff
[11-Aug-2006 13:27:37] <giesen> but getting that knowledge out to new users is important imho
[11-Aug-2006 13:27:53] <giesen> hmmm
[11-Aug-2006 13:28:02] <giesen> oubiwann's trick seems to have worked
[11-Aug-2006 13:28:18] <oubiwann> sweet
[11-Aug-2006 13:28:25] <giesen> it doesnt show me any IPs on the box though
[11-Aug-2006 13:28:27] <giesen> just 127.0.0.1
[11-Aug-2006 13:28:28] <oubiwann> at least for a temp, solution ;-)
[11-Aug-2006 13:28:44] <oubiwann> hmmm
[11-Aug-2006 13:28:56] <giesen> yeah it looks like pbx1 stole the ips
[11-Aug-2006 13:29:00] <giesen> from pbx
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:16] <giesen> that may work though
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:24] <giesen> since I can hard code the nagios plugin with the proper IP
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:27] <giesen> it's definitely a hack
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:33] <giesen> but I guess it'll work for the time being
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:42] <giesen> oh
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:44] <giesen> another suggestion
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:48] <giesen> just to throw something out there
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:51] <giesen> a WAP interface =)
[11-Aug-2006 13:31:31] <oubiwann> giesen: yeah, we're discussing this actually :-)
[11-Aug-2006 13:31:41] <giesen> man now look what you guys have done
[11-Aug-2006 13:31:45] <giesen> been talking to you so long
[11-Aug-2006 13:31:48] <giesen> I missed half of my show
[11-Aug-2006 13:31:51] <giesen> =p
[11-Aug-2006 13:33:29] <oubiwann> heh
[11-Aug-2006 13:34:40] <giesen> stuck home from work for like the next week
[11-Aug-2006 13:34:46] <giesen> so I'm watching 5 episodes of star trek a day
[11-Aug-2006 13:34:47] <giesen> haha
[11-Aug-2006 13:35:23] * oubiwann laughs
[11-Aug-2006 13:35:28] <oubiwann> I was wondering ;-)
[11-Aug-2006 13:37:15] <giesen> btw
[11-Aug-2006 13:37:21] <giesen> do you have any idea what the component is
[11-Aug-2006 13:37:26] <giesen> in the nagconf config
[11-Aug-2006 13:37:42] <giesen> event key would be nice to know too
[11-Aug-2006 13:37:57] <ecn> they are part of the log message
[11-Aug-2006 13:38:04] <ecn> you can put whatever you like in there
[11-Aug-2006 13:38:33] <ecn> So... if you are monitoring http, you can set the component to Apache or httpd
[11-Aug-2006 13:38:42] <giesen> ah
[11-Aug-2006 13:39:01] <ecn> you can set the event key to trigger log processing rules
[11-Aug-2006 13:39:13] <ecn> like "go right to the history table"
[11-Aug-2006 13:39:23] <ecn> or "raise the priority to something that will page me"
[11-Aug-2006 13:39:32] <giesen> gotcha
[11-Aug-2006 13:39:47] <giesen> yeah, this nagconf really needs to be documented
[11-Aug-2006 13:39:58] <giesen> cause otherwise it's useless on anything other than a per-device basis
[11-Aug-2006 14:17:48] <giesen> well I think I got my nagios stuff setup
[11-Aug-2006 14:18:07] <ecn> great!
[11-Aug-2006 14:18:27] <giesen> I guess I should actually test it
[11-Aug-2006 14:20:52] <giesen> ecn who would I talk to about the snpp stuff?
[11-Aug-2006 14:20:57] <giesen> edahl?
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:09] <ecn> Just send it to the list
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:14] <ecn> erik is out until tues
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:17] <giesen> ah
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:21] <giesen> that sucks
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:25] <giesen> cause I'm stuck at home till tues
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:34] <giesen> which is when all this stuff is gonna get done
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:52] <giesen> oh well, I'll make do I guess
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:53] <ecn> I will try to take a look monday
[11-Aug-2006 14:22:14] <ecn> if you have a message on -users it will stay in my "to do" list
[11-Aug-2006 14:22:25] <giesen> k
[11-Aug-2006 14:29:47] * giesen submits a bunch of tickets for other stuff
[11-Aug-2006 14:30:02] <ecn> thx
[11-Aug-2006 15:54:04] <socialist> so, I"m still getting a few
[11-Aug-2006 15:54:20] <socialist> "WARNING:twsnmp.protocol:Bad response" after patching
[11-Aug-2006 15:55:01] <giesen> poor ecn
[11-Aug-2006 15:55:07] <socialist> heheh
[11-Aug-2006 15:55:17] <giesen> I dogged him a little too mu
[11-Aug-2006 15:55:19] <giesen> *much
[11-Aug-2006 15:55:43] <ecn> send me packetses and I trick pysnmp into eating whatever is coming at you
[11-Aug-2006 15:55:56] <ecn> send me packetses and I will trick pysnmp into eating whatever is coming at you
[11-Aug-2006 15:55:56] <socialist> I can probly fix it
[11-Aug-2006 15:56:06] <socialist> ok
[11-Aug-2006 15:56:21] <ecn> 64-bit box?
[11-Aug-2006 15:56:36] <ecn> if so, I'll go to the heart and fix net-snmp
[11-Aug-2006 15:57:25] <giesen> oh
[11-Aug-2006 15:57:27] <giesen> I remember another bug
[11-Aug-2006 15:57:31] <giesen> you guys can look into
[11-Aug-2006 15:57:32] <giesen> =)
[11-Aug-2006 15:58:22] <socialist> ecn: yes it is
[11-Aug-2006 15:58:38] <socialist> ecn: I"ve already applied the patch from -users though
[11-Aug-2006 15:58:57] <socialist> fixed like 80% or more, but just a few still do it
[11-Aug-2006 15:59:46] <ecn> there are now 3 patches to pysnmp
[11-Aug-2006 15:59:48] <socialist> ah
[11-Aug-2006 15:59:59] <socialist> posted to the list?
[11-Aug-2006 15:59:59] <ecn> you can pull them out of svn
[11-Aug-2006 16:00:04] <socialist> ah even better
[11-Aug-2006 16:00:20] <socialist> so I don't need to fix it, yeah?
[11-Aug-2006 16:00:29] <ecn> maybe not
[11-Aug-2006 16:00:43] <ecn> last one was a counter >32 bits
[11-Aug-2006 16:06:21] <ecn> some news here: http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/applications/index.html
[11-Aug-2006 16:06:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Sources | InfoWorld (at weblog.infoworld.com)
[11-Aug-2006 16:06:31] *** ecn changes topic to "go team Zenoss! Bill is on his own."
[11-Aug-2006 16:06:45] <socialist> ecn: fixed, thanks
[11-Aug-2006 16:07:17] <socialist> "launched their first human child" HAHAH
[11-Aug-2006 16:18:57] <creiht> wow... Congrats guys!
[11-Aug-2006 16:22:28] <giesen> nice
[11-Aug-2006 16:22:32] * giesen goes to take a nap
[11-Aug-2006 16:23:33] <socialist> 4.8m huh
[11-Aug-2006 16:23:45] * giesen holds out his cup
[11-Aug-2006 16:23:51] <socialist> *cough* hire me as consultant *cough*
[11-Aug-2006 16:24:33] <creiht> laughs
[11-Aug-2006 16:24:49] <creiht> I'll start charging for my improvement ideas, and bug reports
[11-Aug-2006 16:24:55] <socialist> haha no doubt
[11-Aug-2006 16:25:42] <ecn> resume's to jobs@zenoss.com
[11-Aug-2006 16:26:02] <ecn> must be able to read SNMP packets without tools
[11-Aug-2006 16:26:04] <ecn> 8-)
[11-Aug-2006 16:26:15] <giesen> ecn do you know if the plan is to eventually have a tiered product?
[11-Aug-2006 16:26:23] <giesen> or are you guys gonna continue on a paid support model?
[11-Aug-2006 16:26:33] <ecn> always open source
[11-Aug-2006 16:27:24] <ecn> yes... make money on support & custom services... but I know _nothing_ of business model stuff
[11-Aug-2006 16:27:51] <ecn> I just know that everyone gets to make fun of my crappy code forever
[11-Aug-2006 16:27:53] <giesen> I was wondering if you're gonna go on like the SugarCRM model
[11-Aug-2006 16:28:02] <giesen> where they have the lowend open source model
[11-Aug-2006 16:28:11] <giesen> and then a higher end paid product
[11-Aug-2006 16:28:21] <socialist> ecn: see that's why you need us random people to give code, because ours will be funnier
[11-Aug-2006 16:28:30] <giesen> haha
[11-Aug-2006 16:28:40] <giesen> yeah everyone would have a chuckle at any code I write
[11-Aug-2006 16:28:51] <ecn> giesen: I don't know about the business plan
[11-Aug-2006 16:29:19] <ecn> friggin' phone rings more today than yesterday
[11-Aug-2006 16:29:26] <ecn> good day for erik & bill to be out
[11-Aug-2006 16:29:31] * giesen stops prank calling ecn
[11-Aug-2006 16:29:36] <ecn> lol
[11-Aug-2006 16:30:04] * socialist starts
[11-Aug-2006 16:30:12] <giesen> nice
[11-Aug-2006 16:30:16] <giesen> we gotta do this in shifts
[11-Aug-2006 16:30:21] <giesen> so we always keep him busy
[11-Aug-2006 16:30:26] <giesen> day and night
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:00] <ecn> in 30 mins I go home
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:03] <ecn> call all you like
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:09] <giesen> that's what you think =)
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:18] <socialist> so fiveruns looks like a hosted solution
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:30] <socialist> oh duh yes it is
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:34] <giesen> ooh
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:47] <giesen> I like the sounds of that
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:58] <socialist> depends, I suppose
[11-Aug-2006 16:32:31] <giesen> not for myself
[11-Aug-2006 16:32:36] <giesen> as something to sell to my customers
[11-Aug-2006 16:33:18] <socialist> idea: zenoss passive support for a central hosted instance to manage multiple sites
[11-Aug-2006 16:33:37] <socialist> where do I send the bill?
[11-Aug-2006 16:34:18] <ecn> sorry: already had the idea
[11-Aug-2006 16:34:33] <ecn> zenoss.net is reserved 8-)
[11-Aug-2006 16:34:51] <giesen> hehe
[11-Aug-2006 16:34:58] <giesen> I like the idea of that
[11-Aug-2006 16:51:12] <zaf> i'm using zenoss to monitor networks for multiple customers
[11-Aug-2006 16:53:13] <socialist> taking data passively?
[11-Aug-2006 16:56:42] <zaf> polling
[11-Aug-2006 16:56:48] <zaf> we have vpns to them all
[11-Aug-2006 16:57:07] <socialist> hehe that's different
[11-Aug-2006 16:57:30] <zaf> i have another product that passively collects data from certain types of devices too
[11-Aug-2006 16:58:28] <socialist> interesting
[11-Aug-2006 16:58:37] <zaf> between the two of them i get pretty good info
[11-Aug-2006 17:03:22] <socialist> cripes fscking a 4TB volume takes a long time
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[11-Aug-2006 17:04:00] <zaf> yah
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[11-Aug-2006 18:20:00] <socialist> hm, is it normal for zenmodeler.py to eat up 100% CPU for several hours straight
[11-Aug-2006 18:20:50] <ecn> do you have a /16 net?
[11-Aug-2006 18:21:13] <ecn> it's just pinging it's little heart out
[11-Aug-2006 18:22:10] <socialist> I think it's remodeling actually
[11-Aug-2006 18:22:16] <socialist> very little icmp traffic
[11-Aug-2006 18:22:22] <socialist> way way more snmp
[11-Aug-2006 18:22:25] <ecn> oh
[11-Aug-2006 18:22:30] <ecn> how many devices do you have?
[11-Aug-2006 18:22:37] <socialist> 250ish
[11-Aug-2006 18:22:53] <ecn> nice
[11-Aug-2006 18:23:46] <ecn> how many file descriptors are open for that process now? ls /proc/[process id]/fd | wc
[11-Aug-2006 18:24:36] <ecn> (btw, I'm just curious... not debugging)
[11-Aug-2006 18:25:09] <socialist> er, it just stopped
[11-Aug-2006 18:25:37] <socialist> 411
[11-Aug-2006 18:25:41] <giesen> man that nap was good
[11-Aug-2006 18:26:02] <socialist> may have been more though, it just calmed down right as you asked
[11-Aug-2006 18:26:17] <ecn> good zenmodeler, good boy
[11-Aug-2006 18:26:23] <giesen> haha
[11-Aug-2006 18:26:42] <giesen> socialist: how much ram is your machine using
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[11-Aug-2006 18:30:16] <socialist> total?
[11-Aug-2006 18:30:52] <socialist> 2039584k used, 20796k free, 149228k buffers 1006892k cached
[11-Aug-2006 18:31:34] <giesen> ah, very simialr to mine
[11-Aug-2006 18:31:48] <giesen> most of it being used by buffers and disk cache
[11-Aug-2006 18:32:03] <socialist> zope is always a bit of a hog, it's sitting on about ~500MB
[11-Aug-2006 18:32:11] <giesen> yeah same with mine
[11-Aug-2006 18:32:20] <giesen> and another gig between buffers and cache
[11-Aug-2006 18:33:22] <socialist> anyone using partitions larger than 2TB?
[11-Aug-2006 18:34:14] <ecn> no, but are you seeing any problems monitoring disks of that size?
[11-Aug-2006 18:34:52] <ecn> Sven, an advid zenoss user in germany said he saw problems
[11-Aug-2006 18:35:02] <ecn> I think w/memory over 2G.
[11-Aug-2006 18:35:18] <ecn> but it's all the same: disk & memory via snmp
[11-Aug-2006 18:35:36] <socialist> ecn: not yet, I'm having partitioning trouble
[11-Aug-2006 18:36:02] <socialist> I have lots of systems with more than 2GB RAM though
[11-Aug-2006 18:36:06] <socialist> no issues yet
[11-Aug-2006 18:42:49] <socialist> I feel dumb
[11-Aug-2006 18:43:17] <socialist> I can't seem to create a 3tb partition
[11-Aug-2006 18:45:07] <socialist> ahhhhhh
[11-Aug-2006 18:50:56] <socialist> > 2TB requires a GPT partition table
[11-Aug-2006 19:12:28] <giesen> ecn you add a ticket for that shared ip thing?
[11-Aug-2006 19:23:35] <giesen> Can someone update ticket 241 to say it's for IE only.
[11-Aug-2006 19:30:51] <ecn> giesen: ticket was added
[11-Aug-2006 19:32:31] <ecn> done
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[11-Aug-2006 20:05:09] <socialist> hm, in one device area, I have a warning event for a device under "events" but the device itself shows green
[11-Aug-2006 20:07:58] <socialist> that is, snmp is down for a system, but the system's snmp field in the device list is green
[11-Aug-2006 20:24:25] <giesen> yeah
[11-Aug-2006 20:24:33] <giesen> thats because the event has corrected it self
[11-Aug-2006 20:24:42] <giesen> but it's still unacknowledged
[11-Aug-2006 20:24:46] <giesen> that confused me a bit too
[11-Aug-2006 20:25:09] <giesen> should maybe have it setup to not have to acknowledge events that are no longer active
[11-Aug-2006 20:43:52] <socialist> hm
[11-Aug-2006 20:44:02] <socialist> it was green before it had been corrected though
[11-Aug-2006 20:44:11] <socialist> but otherwise that sounds accurate
[11-Aug-2006 20:44:49] <socialist> the device is question is bad to test with, it's acting weird anyway
[11-Aug-2006 21:00:37] <giesen> the best is the PDU that I constantly get complaining that it's exceeding 75% usage on the nic
[11-Aug-2006 21:00:57] <giesen> by like 3-4 times the speed of the nic
[11-Aug-2006 21:01:10] <giesen> or my freebsd boxes
[11-Aug-2006 21:01:22] <giesen> that constantly complaing about not being able to read ssWaitCpu
[11-Aug-2006 21:01:25] <giesen> or something like that
[11-Aug-2006 21:02:34] <socialist> I'm curious if the "count" field by events is accurate
[11-Aug-2006 21:03:02] <socialist> if it is, on event I have has has 648 retries in the past 20 minutes
[11-Aug-2006 21:03:06] <socialist> one*
[11-Aug-2006 21:03:15] <socialist> that seems a little excessive
[11-Aug-2006 21:08:15] <giesen> nice
[11-Aug-2006 21:08:35] <giesen> that's like one every 2 seconds
[11-Aug-2006 21:08:38] <giesen> that might not be that far off
[11-Aug-2006 21:32:51] <socialist> I'm off
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[12-Aug-2006 03:25:38] <DaiTengu> anyone alive?
[12-Aug-2006 03:43:26] <socialist> only dead people here
[12-Aug-2006 03:45:35] <DaiTengu> apparently
[12-Aug-2006 03:46:03] <DaiTengu> mkdir: cannot create directory `build': Permission denied" error
[12-Aug-2006 03:46:06] <DaiTengu> er
[12-Aug-2006 03:46:13] <DaiTengu> I'm trying to install zenoss but I keep getting a "mkdir: cannot create directory `build': Permission denied" errpr
[12-Aug-2006 03:46:17] <DaiTengu> something like that
[12-Aug-2006 03:46:17] <DaiTengu>
[12-Aug-2006 03:46:28] <DaiTengu> I can't find in the install.sh file where it's trying to create that directory
[12-Aug-2006 03:46:56] <socialist> do you have write permissions in the zenoss source directory?
[12-Aug-2006 03:47:13] <socialist> it creates it in the source directory itself
[12-Aug-2006 03:47:27] <DaiTengu> hmm
[12-Aug-2006 03:47:34] * DaiTengu gives it a try
[12-Aug-2006 03:47:57] <DaiTengu> yay!
[12-Aug-2006 03:48:19] <DaiTengu> so far so good
[12-Aug-2006 03:48:21] <DaiTengu> thanks
[12-Aug-2006 03:48:26] <socialist> no problem
[12-Aug-2006 05:00:04] <DaiTengu> grr
[12-Aug-2006 05:00:06] <DaiTengu> now I keep getting:
[12-Aug-2006 05:00:07] <DaiTengu> ERROR:zen.Events:(2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)")
[12-Aug-2006 05:00:17] <DaiTengu> mysql is running quite fine
[12-Aug-2006 05:00:42] <socialist> mysql user/password/permissions?
[12-Aug-2006 05:00:56] <DaiTengu> does the 111 mean it's trying to connect on that port, though?
[12-Aug-2006 05:01:10] <DaiTengu> It seems like it used the right username/password to install the databases.
[12-Aug-2006 05:01:43] <socialist> no, that's the error code
[12-Aug-2006 05:01:57] <DaiTengu> hmm
[12-Aug-2006 05:01:58] <socialist> on localhost it will be trying to connect via unix socket
[12-Aug-2006 05:02:08] <DaiTengu> maybe I fudged typing in the password on the install
[12-Aug-2006 05:03:18] <socialist> how familiar are you with mysql
[12-Aug-2006 05:03:37] <DaiTengu> fairly familliar
[12-Aug-2006 05:04:06] <socialist> check that you can connect to the local database manually, using hte username and password you gave to the zenoss install
[12-Aug-2006 05:04:11] <socialist> s/hte/the/
[12-Aug-2006 05:04:20] <DaiTengu> already tried that
[12-Aug-2006 05:04:22] <DaiTengu> it works
[12-Aug-2006 05:04:22] <DaiTengu>
[12-Aug-2006 05:04:33] <DaiTengu> I think I may have fudged typing the password in on the install.sh though
[12-Aug-2006 05:04:53] <DaiTengu> so maybe I gave zenoss the wrong password.
[12-Aug-2006 05:32:03] <DaiTengu> ha
[12-Aug-2006 05:32:07] <DaiTengu> it's not using the socket
[12-Aug-2006 05:32:12] <DaiTengu> I have mysql bound to one IP
[12-Aug-2006 05:32:19] <DaiTengu> it's trying to connect via 127.0.0.1
[12-Aug-2006 05:32:23] <socialist> ah
[12-Aug-2006 05:32:28] <socialist> that would do it
[12-Aug-2006 05:32:32] <DaiTengu> yep
[12-Aug-2006 05:33:09] <giesen> wow
[12-Aug-2006 05:33:17] <giesen> people alive at this hour
[12-Aug-2006 05:33:27] <giesen> on a saturday morning no less
[12-Aug-2006 05:33:36] <DaiTengu> heh
[12-Aug-2006 05:33:48] <DaiTengu> my CEO gave me 24 hours to get a good monitoring solution set up for our system.
[12-Aug-2006 05:33:50] <socialist> let's not magnify how little of a life I have these day, mkay?
[12-Aug-2006 05:33:53] <DaiTengu> I've got 3 hours left
[12-Aug-2006 05:34:16] <DaiTengu> I spent about 12 hours fighting with nagios
[12-Aug-2006 05:34:34] <socialist> tell your CEO to stop being a twerp
[12-Aug-2006 05:34:43] <DaiTengu> I did
[12-Aug-2006 05:34:43] <giesen> uh
[12-Aug-2006 05:34:56] <giesen> an nms setup is probably one of the most time consuming things to setup
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:02] <socialist> no doubt
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:09] <giesen> so it's hard enough to get a bad setup within 24 hours
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:12] <DaiTengu> I've been fighting with nagios for over a week actually.
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:12] <giesen> let alone a good one
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:24] <DaiTengu> spent a good 12 hours on it today
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:26] <giesen> yeah nagios is a bitch to config
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:31] <socialist> tedious
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:34] <DaiTengu> indeed
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:42] <giesen> did you use nagioswebconfig
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:45] <giesen> or do it by hand?
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:47] <DaiTengu> I used fruity
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:50] <giesen> au
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:52] <giesen> *ah
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:57] <socialist> hah have you seen their catchphrase?
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:03] <giesen> I setup a customer with nagios and nagiowebcfg
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:09] <giesen> seemed to work well enough
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:16] <giesen> that was before I discovered zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:18] <socialist> "Okay, so maybe it won't be fun; however, it won't be as difficult as before."
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:29] <DaiTengu> right
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:30] <giesen> I would have set him up with it had I known
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:40] <socialist> read: Fruity makes configuring Nagios suck less. A little.
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:50] <giesen> nagioswebcfg is not bad
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:54] <giesen> once you get it working
[12-Aug-2006 05:37:06] <DaiTengu> we went through about 2 hours of downtime this morning when an up2date update on our redhat machines fudged mysql
[12-Aug-2006 05:37:13] <socialist> I've been using nagios since it was netsaint 0.1-ish
[12-Aug-2006 05:37:15] <DaiTengu> well
[12-Aug-2006 05:37:17] <DaiTengu> yesterday morning
[12-Aug-2006 05:37:32] <giesen> nagios isnt that bad
[12-Aug-2006 05:37:36] <socialist> it's not
[12-Aug-2006 05:37:41] <giesen> ist' just not anywhere near as complete as zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 05:38:00] <giesen> or as pretty
[12-Aug-2006 05:38:04] <giesen> the plugin system is nice though
[12-Aug-2006 05:38:08] <DaiTengu> I'm looking for a decent balance of easy to set up and lots of features.
[12-Aug-2006 05:38:10] <giesen> I'm glad it was ported over to nagios
[12-Aug-2006 05:38:11] <socialist> well he has never managed to get a coherent roadmap as to what nagios should be doing
[12-Aug-2006 05:38:12] <giesen> erm, zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 05:39:30] <DaiTengu> yay
[12-Aug-2006 05:39:31] <DaiTengu> it's running
[12-Aug-2006 05:39:46] <DaiTengu> now I'll just firewall mysql off from outside IPs...
[12-Aug-2006 05:39:57] <socialist> btw, avoid renaming your objects for now
[12-Aug-2006 05:40:24] <socialist> I think my reorganizing everything broke some of the default setup
[12-Aug-2006 05:40:32] <socialist> very fixable, but costs time
[12-Aug-2006 05:41:27] <giesen> DaiTengu: or you could just set mysql to only run on localhost
[12-Aug-2006 05:41:40] <giesen> unless you have some other machine that needs access to it
[12-Aug-2006 05:43:07] <socialist> hey giesen, does a "normal" out-of-the-box setup have the performance graphs for Server devices?
[12-Aug-2006 05:43:15] <socialist> or do you have to add everything
[12-Aug-2006 05:43:26] <giesen> it should have a few graphs
[12-Aug-2006 05:43:29] <giesen> for CPU usage
[12-Aug-2006 05:43:32] <socialist> yeah those
[12-Aug-2006 05:43:33] <giesen> and memory usage
[12-Aug-2006 05:43:35] <giesen> swap usage
[12-Aug-2006 05:44:02] <socialist> I reorganized the hierarchy and I think it deleted the perfConf for Server
[12-Aug-2006 05:44:08] <socialist> well, I did
[12-Aug-2006 05:44:21] <giesen> well you can always reset it
[12-Aug-2006 05:44:33] <giesen> but you'll probably lose lose all your devices
[12-Aug-2006 05:44:48] <socialist> nah I'm just gonna recreate it
[12-Aug-2006 05:45:07] <giesen> if you want to do something with your hierarchy
[12-Aug-2006 05:45:15] <giesen> you're better off doing it using the groups
[12-Aug-2006 05:45:16] <giesen> or system
[12-Aug-2006 05:45:24] <socialist> I see that now
[12-Aug-2006 05:45:27] <giesen> and leave the devices tree alone
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:00] <socialist> actually, I might just be better off resetting and doing that
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:07] <socialist> this is just a POC anyway
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:14] <giesen> depends how many devices you have
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:20] <giesen> and how much time you have spent
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:25] <socialist> lots
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:27] <giesen> I'd die if I had to redo everything
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:38] <socialist> I discovered everything
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:42] <giesen> because I added tons of performance monitors
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:46] <giesen> by hand
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:48] <socialist> so it's more time than effort
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:50] <socialist> ack
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:57] <socialist> yeah I haven't done that yet
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:58] <giesen> so for example
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:10] <giesen> I can track the voltage and run time on my 2 UPSs
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:15] <giesen> and load
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:16] <socialist> nice
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:18] <giesen> it's great
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:31] <giesen> also have something to monitor temperature in the datacentre
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:36] <socialist> so you have live instances... how is the alerting workign for you?
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:45] <giesen> works great
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:53] <socialist> even without escalations?
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:54] <giesen> I wish it was a little more comprehensive
[12-Aug-2006 05:48:07] <giesen> I've submitted a couple tickets for enhancements
[12-Aug-2006 05:48:12] <socialist> I saw some
[12-Aug-2006 05:48:38] <giesen> the alerting is probably the weakest part of zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 05:48:43] <giesen> but it's getting better
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:04] <socialist> The only thing really bothering me so far is the zope-ness
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:14] <giesen> but Im pretty amazed by how quickly everything is getting better in it
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:27] <socialist> I use zope a lot and certain things about it never cease to annoy me
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:34] <giesen> the thing that bothers me is all the dependencies and how it's all bunlded together
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:41] <giesen> I was trying to write a gentoo ebuild for it
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:44] <socialist> haha
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:44] <giesen> and it's all a tangled mess
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:53] <socialist> I almost did that
[12-Aug-2006 05:50:02] <giesen> I made some progress
[12-Aug-2006 05:50:05] <socialist> s/did/attempted/
[12-Aug-2006 05:50:11] <giesen> I may take another crack at it this weekend
[12-Aug-2006 05:51:23] <giesen> I should probably write an init scripts for zenoss in the mean time
[12-Aug-2006 05:51:31] <giesen> rather than having to start it by hand every time I reboot the box
[12-Aug-2006 05:51:50] <socialist> you can pretty mush use bin/zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 05:51:59] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 05:52:06] <giesen> I'd probably want replace that
[12-Aug-2006 05:52:33] <giesen> I've never used anything that used zope before
[12-Aug-2006 05:52:40] <giesen> so Im not too sure what to make of it
[12-Aug-2006 05:52:51] <giesen> but based on how easily they're able to add funcationlity
[12-Aug-2006 05:53:03] <giesen> I'd have to say its pros probably outweigh its cons
[12-Aug-2006 05:53:14] <socialist> they do, generally
[12-Aug-2006 05:53:20] <giesen> and it doesnt bother me too much that it has a big memory footprint
[12-Aug-2006 05:53:26] <giesen> since ram is cheaper than developers
[12-Aug-2006 05:53:46] <socialist> heh yeah
[12-Aug-2006 05:53:56] <socialist> there are just some zope-isms you have to get used to
[12-Aug-2006 05:54:08] <socialist> they did a lot of wheel reinventing
[12-Aug-2006 05:54:10] <socialist> and renaming
[12-Aug-2006 05:55:23] <socialist> mysql part of install.sh is broken in svn
[12-Aug-2006 05:55:25] <socialist> blen
[12-Aug-2006 05:55:57] <giesen> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 05:56:11] <giesen> I generally wait for releases
[12-Aug-2006 05:56:17] <giesen> which come pretty often
[12-Aug-2006 05:56:27] <giesen> havent got to the point where I'm using trunk yet
[12-Aug-2006 05:56:34] <socialist> I'm just messing around
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:04] <giesen> did you ever try opennms
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:14] <socialist> very briefly
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:19] <giesen> same with me
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:28] <giesen> it's just nowhere near as comprehensive as zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:35] <giesen> it's more of a network ping utility
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:40] <socialist> I've been doing nagios for a long long time
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:51] <giesen> doesnt have anywhere near the snmp-awareness that zenoss does
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:53] <giesen> nor does nagios
[12-Aug-2006 05:58:03] <socialist> yeah I don't need another glorified ping script
[12-Aug-2006 06:03:33] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 06:03:49] <giesen> I'll love it when I'll be able to browse the snmp tree for a device
[12-Aug-2006 06:03:54] <giesen> and be able to read and set values at will
[12-Aug-2006 06:04:57] <socialist> are your devices identifying their CPUs ok?
[12-Aug-2006 06:05:11] <giesen> depends on the device
[12-Aug-2006 06:05:22] <socialist> any random server...
[12-Aug-2006 06:05:53] <giesen> most of the windows servers are
[12-Aug-2006 06:06:02] <giesen> assuming I have snmp-informat installed
[12-Aug-2006 06:06:07] <giesen> *informant
[12-Aug-2006 06:08:39] <socialist> I don't really have any windows boxes to compare, but I think none of my unix systems are getting their CPUs identified
[12-Aug-2006 06:09:56] <giesen> yeah none of my *nix boxen are
[12-Aug-2006 06:10:18] <socialist> need to find out what OID they're looking at for that ingo
[12-Aug-2006 06:10:19] <socialist> info*
[12-Aug-2006 06:10:49] <socialist> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrDeviceDescr.768 = STRING: AuthenticAMD: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 275
[12-Aug-2006 06:10:49] <socialist> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrDeviceDescr.769 = STRING: AuthenticAMD: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 275
[12-Aug-2006 06:11:01] <giesen> I think it's more a matter of getting an snmp agent on the box
[12-Aug-2006 06:11:01] <socialist> yet cpu isn't found on that system...
[12-Aug-2006 06:11:06] <giesen> that provides it
[12-Aug-2006 06:11:07] <giesen> dunno
[12-Aug-2006 06:11:14] <giesen> I'll add a ticket
[12-Aug-2006 06:11:46] <socialist> I agree about the agent, but the standard net-snmp should do it
[12-Aug-2006 06:11:54] <socialist> it's just info from /proc, basically
[12-Aug-2006 06:12:10] <socialist> no biggie, I'll dig around later
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:14] <socialist> thanks for that tip on groups and systems
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:14] <giesen> hehe I just submitted a ticket
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:23] <giesen> np
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:23] <socialist> I get it now
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:31] <giesen> I'm still trying to work out a usable system
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:43] <giesen> but I do my systems based on teh function of teh box
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:45] <giesen> so web severs
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:48] <giesen> ftp servers
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:49] <giesen> etc
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:53] <socialist> I"m thinking of systems as "what it does" and groups as "who it does it for"
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:57] <giesen> and my groups based who owns it
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:59] <giesen> so customers
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:01] <giesen> proviers
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:02] <giesen> us.
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:07] <socialist> yup
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:08] <giesen> haha
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:11] <giesen> exactly the same
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:21] <socialist> hehe yeah
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:44] <socialist> it's a nice way to cross-reference devices, which is something I am in love with
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:50] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 06:16:00] <giesen> I just wish there was a nice way to edit multiple devices
[12-Aug-2006 06:16:04] <socialist> the only thing nicer is if you could define your own top-level categories
[12-Aug-2006 06:16:09] <socialist> oh god yes
[12-Aug-2006 06:16:15] <socialist> I was going to ask about that
[12-Aug-2006 06:16:25] <giesen> there is apparently some hackish way to do it
[12-Aug-2006 06:16:29] <giesen> using the zope manager
[12-Aug-2006 06:16:34] <giesen> but I havent looked into it enough
[12-Aug-2006 06:17:01] <socialist> it will come
[12-Aug-2006 06:17:27] <socialist> has to, there is no way an enterprise will roll this out for 5000 nodes if you have to edit things individually
[12-Aug-2006 06:17:34] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 06:17:57] <giesen> Im really quite impressed with the rate at which functionality is being added
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:04] <giesen> I've only been using it for a couple weeks now
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:12] <giesen> and there's already been a lot added
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:22] <giesen> it's very promising
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:25] <socialist> I'm still trying to figure out where they came from
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:30] <giesen> and seems very well designed from the ground up
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:35] <giesen> to be able to add all of this
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:36] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:42] <giesen> I'd never heard of them before 2 weeks ago
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:47] <socialist> me neither
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:54] <giesen> and apparently they just got $4.8M of investment this week
[12-Aug-2006 06:19:02] <socialist> I see stuff dating back to about Feb., but nothing before that
[12-Aug-2006 06:19:07] <socialist> yeah I saw that
[12-Aug-2006 06:19:08] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 06:19:13] <giesen> the project is definitely new
[12-Aug-2006 06:19:16] <giesen> and it shows in a few parts
[12-Aug-2006 06:19:24] <giesen> but that's quickly changing
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:13] <socialist> well I hope it works out for me, I'd rather not have to write equivalents by myself
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:24] <socialist> heh
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:31] <socialist> ok I need to sleep
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:37] <socialist> g'night
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:37] <giesen> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:40] <giesen> been nice talking to ya
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:41] <giesen> night
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:49] <soc|zzz> you too
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[12-Aug-2006 12:56:48] <landonf_> Hallo
[12-Aug-2006 12:57:24] <socialist> hi
[12-Aug-2006 12:58:46] * landonf_ wonders about the topic
[12-Aug-2006 12:58:51] <landonf_> Also, hi fsweetser
[12-Aug-2006 12:59:23] <socialist> Bill had a baby I think
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[12-Aug-2006 13:08:51] <giesen> yep
[12-Aug-2006 13:09:55] <giesen> News: Zenoss lands $4.8m for OSS IT Management
[12-Aug-2006 13:10:21] <giesen> News: Zenoss lands $4.8m for Not only did founder Bill Karpovich announce the funding of Zenoss, his wife launched their first human child today. Congrats Bill and team.
[12-Aug-2006 13:10:51] <landonf__> Well that's pretty darn cool.
[12-Aug-2006 13:11:24] <landonf__> Makes me feel better about investing time and development resources in the project, too. Won't be gone, in theory, next year
[12-Aug-2006 13:11:38] <giesen> yeah
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[12-Aug-2006 13:24:07] <socialist> giesen, can you change the name of a device or do you just have to recreate it?
[12-Aug-2006 13:27:15] <giesen> you can change it
[12-Aug-2006 13:27:19] <giesen> it's under manage device
[12-Aug-2006 13:27:20] <giesen> sec
[12-Aug-2006 13:27:51] <socialist> oh ok I see it, thanks
[12-Aug-2006 13:28:18] <giesen> np
[12-Aug-2006 14:03:33] <socialist> I need an snmpd with portage and dpkg support{
[12-Aug-2006 14:08:49] <socialist> cripes I also need bulk editing
[12-Aug-2006 14:20:08] <giesen> yeah I know
[12-Aug-2006 14:20:21] <giesen> that's my big gripe with net-snmpd
[12-Aug-2006 14:20:32] <giesen> it's not setup to support portage
[12-Aug-2006 14:20:39] <giesen> I wonder how hard that would be to do
[12-Aug-2006 14:20:48] <giesen> \and yes, bulk editing would be nice
[12-Aug-2006 14:21:18] <giesen> I need a laptop with more ram :/
[12-Aug-2006 14:21:33] <giesen> 1 GB just isnt enough for running a vmware machine and eclipse
[12-Aug-2006 14:34:44] <socialist> ick yeah
[12-Aug-2006 14:36:22] <socialist> problem with net-snmp is that it has explicit RPM support built into it. Any other packaging systems would require additional code, or at least a subagent
[12-Aug-2006 14:37:16] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 14:37:31] <giesen> but I cant imagine it would be that hard to read the gentoo package database
[12-Aug-2006 14:37:38] <socialist> you wouldn't think
[12-Aug-2006 14:37:55] <socialist> you could do a python subagent and hook right into portage
[12-Aug-2006 14:38:10] <socialist> and a perl one for debian
[12-Aug-2006 14:38:12] <giesen> all you really need
[12-Aug-2006 14:38:24] <giesen> is something that parses the directory structure of /var/db/portage
[12-Aug-2006 14:44:28] <socialist> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalled
[12-Aug-2006 14:44:47] <socialist> all you would really need is to pass that OID onto a script
[12-Aug-2006 14:45:38] <socialist> see PASS-THROUGH CONTROL in the snmpd.conf manpage
[12-Aug-2006 14:47:13] <giesen> yep
[12-Aug-2006 14:47:20] <giesen> who knows
[12-Aug-2006 14:47:23] <giesen> maybe if I get really bored
[12-Aug-2006 14:47:25] <giesen> I'll do it
[12-Aug-2006 14:47:37] <socialist> I'd do one for debian
[12-Aug-2006 14:47:51] <socialist> I'm not using gentoo in production enough to warrant the time
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:10] <giesen> I am
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:17] <giesen> although I'm thinking of moving away from gentoo
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:25] <socialist> oh? why is that
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:26] <giesen> precisely because of stuff like this
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:32] <socialist> ah
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:39] <giesen> it's not supported by nocmonkey either
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:46] <giesen> or the HP monitoring stuff
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:56] <giesen> so I'm thinking of moving to CentOS
[12-Aug-2006 14:49:06] <socialist> I detest RPM
[12-Aug-2006 14:49:26] <socialist> proof positive that smart people can produce retarded software
[12-Aug-2006 14:50:15] <giesen> dont get me wrong
[12-Aug-2006 14:50:19] <giesen> I love gentoo
[12-Aug-2006 14:50:29] <giesen> but it takes me an hour or more to bring a single machine up
[12-Aug-2006 14:50:29] <socialist> no, I get it
[12-Aug-2006 14:50:36] <giesen> and then I have to deal with stuff like this
[12-Aug-2006 14:50:47] <socialist> yeah, managing your own entire binary tree is a lot of work
[12-Aug-2006 14:51:18] <socialist> that's why I'm using debian
[12-Aug-2006 14:51:41] <socialist> I only _need_ to built about 5 packages for custom stuff, and the rest I just rsync from the mirrors
[12-Aug-2006 14:51:55] <socialist> I can roll a debian server in like 25 minutes
[12-Aug-2006 14:55:15] <socialist> TBH though, we mostly run RH and SuSE
[12-Aug-2006 14:55:30] <socialist> development shop, so we run what customers run
[12-Aug-2006 14:56:28] <socialist> but the non-devel boxes are mostly debian or solaris
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[12-Aug-2006 14:57:22] <socialist> holy crap man, have you been up all night?
[12-Aug-2006 14:58:11] <giesen> I slept for about an hour and a half
[12-Aug-2006 14:58:25] <giesen> been napping on and off
[12-Aug-2006 14:58:27] <socialist> yikes
[12-Aug-2006 14:58:36] <giesen> just had surgery so I've had trouble sleeping
[12-Aug-2006 14:58:48] <socialist> ah, that's unfun
[12-Aug-2006 14:59:07] <giesen> meh, I'm surviving
[12-Aug-2006 15:03:43] <socialist> how exactly doe noc monkey pxe boot a server if it's just sitting on the internet
[12-Aug-2006 15:03:59] <socialist> oh nm I get it
[12-Aug-2006 16:07:32] <DaiTengu> hmm, trying to find more than a paragraph on how to set up service & process monitoring...
[12-Aug-2006 16:07:40] <DaiTengu> any idea if there's examples anywhere?
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[12-Aug-2006 16:25:05] <DaiTengu> woot
[12-Aug-2006 16:25:06] <DaiTengu> nevermind
[12-Aug-2006 16:25:07] <DaiTengu> found it
[12-Aug-2006 16:25:30] <giesen> or you can always harass oubiwann_
[12-Aug-2006 16:25:43] <oubiwann_> heh
[12-Aug-2006 16:25:45] <giesen> since he's the jedi master of zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 16:26:14] <oubiwann_> nah, man -- I still need to be approved by the Jedi Council ;-)
[12-Aug-2006 16:28:11] <DaiTengu> uh oh.
[12-Aug-2006 16:28:22] <DaiTengu> I guess I shouldn't be around here, since my path to the Dark Side is nearly complete.
[12-Aug-2006 16:28:25] <DaiTengu> :shifty:
[12-Aug-2006 16:29:51] <giesen> you've been using nagios again, havent you?
[12-Aug-2006 16:29:58] <DaiTengu> started out with it.
[12-Aug-2006 16:30:10] <DaiTengu> spent about 2 weeks, on and off working on it
[12-Aug-2006 16:30:15] <DaiTengu> started with zenoss yesterday
[12-Aug-2006 16:30:19] <DaiTengu> almost have everything set up
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[12-Aug-2006 16:32:19] <giesen> yeah zenoss is a lot quicker
[12-Aug-2006 16:32:22] <giesen> than configuring nagios
[12-Aug-2006 16:33:10] <DaiTengu> almost done configuring services .. then on to disk monitoring...
[12-Aug-2006 16:35:08] <giesen> most of that should be setup by default
[12-Aug-2006 16:35:14] <giesen> as long as your devices support snmp
[12-Aug-2006 16:36:51] <DaiTengu> it shows the partitions, but not the usage and whatnot
[12-Aug-2006 16:36:55] <DaiTengu> looks like I need to play with it a bit
[12-Aug-2006 16:47:57] <socialist> hey oubi what OID do you all look for to identify CPUs?
[12-Aug-2006 16:51:14] <socialist> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrDeviceDescr.768?
[12-Aug-2006 16:57:55] <DaiTengu> feh this admin guide is worthless
[12-Aug-2006 16:59:22] <socialist> it could use a bit more info
[12-Aug-2006 16:59:31] <DaiTengu> examples for idiots like me would be great
[12-Aug-2006 16:59:39] <DaiTengu> s/:0/:)/
[12-Aug-2006 16:59:51] <socialist> just ask here, I'm working through it too
[12-Aug-2006 17:00:58] <DaiTengu> well, my disk usage isn't showing up, and all the admin guide says is:
[12-Aug-2006 17:00:58] <DaiTengu> File system monitoring is only usable if the system has a good HOST-RESOURCES mib.
[12-Aug-2006 17:00:59] <DaiTengu> File systems monitor the amount of blocks used and show total bytes, available bytes,
[12-Aug-2006 17:00:59] <DaiTengu> used bytes and percent used. You can set thresholds to alert when a specific event occurs
[12-Aug-2006 17:00:59] <DaiTengu> such as the disk reaches 90% utilization.
[12-Aug-2006 17:01:09] <DaiTengu> that's great and all
[12-Aug-2006 17:01:10] <DaiTengu> but
[12-Aug-2006 17:01:12] <DaiTengu> how do I do that?
[12-Aug-2006 17:01:31] <DaiTengu> same with setting up CPU and Memory usage monitors
[12-Aug-2006 17:01:58] <socialist> request: a way to query any attribute of an object, I could really use the ability to see something like "all devices that have STRING in their disk list"
[12-Aug-2006 17:02:21] <socialist> did you reorganize the hierarchy?
[12-Aug-2006 17:02:41] <socialist> are all your machines still under /Devices/Server or did you change it?
[12-Aug-2006 17:02:42] <DaiTengu> nope
[12-Aug-2006 17:02:48] <DaiTengu> just saw that in the mailing list
[12-Aug-2006 17:02:50] <DaiTengu> I'm about to go do that now
[12-Aug-2006 17:03:03] <socialist> no don't change it
[12-Aug-2006 17:03:15] <giesen> no leave it
[12-Aug-2006 17:03:20] <giesen> use the system/group trees
[12-Aug-2006 17:03:24] <giesen> dont break the /device tree
[12-Aug-2006 17:03:30] <giesen> but yeah
[12-Aug-2006 17:03:32] <socialist> but _do_ put systems for which you want graphs under /Devices/Server
[12-Aug-2006 17:03:46] <socialist> click on Devices -> Server -> PerfConf
[12-Aug-2006 17:04:07] <giesen> a good example that I an another person are usijng
[12-Aug-2006 17:04:12] <giesen> is devices is the physical hardware
[12-Aug-2006 17:04:12] <socialist> then on "Device" at the top of the list of RRDTemplates
[12-Aug-2006 17:04:22] <giesen> system is the purpose of the machine (ie web server)
[12-Aug-2006 17:04:31] <giesen> and group is who it's for (ie customer, internal, etc)
[12-Aug-2006 17:04:52] <DaiTengu> hmm
[12-Aug-2006 17:05:59] <DaiTengu> should I be setting up the OS Manufacturer and all that? last time I tried doing that it moved the server elsewhere.
[12-Aug-2006 17:06:11] <giesen> depends
[12-Aug-2006 17:06:13] <giesen> if it's a dell
[12-Aug-2006 17:06:25] <giesen> it may move it to /server/OS/dell
[12-Aug-2006 17:06:32] <DaiTengu> I think they're all Dells...
[12-Aug-2006 17:06:34] <socialist> I considered doing that
[12-Aug-2006 17:06:37] <socialist> but it's up to you
[12-Aug-2006 17:06:57] <socialist> The important point here is about the /Devices tree
[12-Aug-2006 17:07:17] <socialist> and /Devices/Server
[12-Aug-2006 17:07:21] <DaiTengu> oh
[12-Aug-2006 17:07:22] <DaiTengu> I see here
[12-Aug-2006 17:07:37] <DaiTengu> I think
[12-Aug-2006 17:07:39] <socialist> if you look in PerfConf under /Devices/Server, you'll see some RRDTemplates
[12-Aug-2006 17:07:43] <DaiTengu> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 17:07:59] <socialist> those will apply to every Device under /Devices/Server
[12-Aug-2006 17:08:34] <socialist> if you put them elsewhere (like /Discovered) then that template will not be applied
[12-Aug-2006 17:08:42] <socialist> ergo no graphs
[12-Aug-2006 17:09:26] <socialist> I created som subdirs under /Devices/Server, but otherwise left the inital structure alone
[12-Aug-2006 17:09:35] <DaiTengu> there's /Devices/Server/Linux
[12-Aug-2006 17:09:46] <DaiTengu> since they're all Linux boxen, should I toss them there?
[12-Aug-2006 17:09:55] <socialist> sure
[12-Aug-2006 17:10:14] <DaiTengu> I'll create subdirectories from there.
[12-Aug-2006 17:11:52] <socialist> the Device RRDTemplate ( in /Devices/Server/PerfConf ) applies to everything under /Devices/Server as far as I can tell
[12-Aug-2006 17:12:00] <socialist> regardless of subdirectories
[12-Aug-2006 17:13:21] <DaiTengu> was just about to ask that.
[12-Aug-2006 17:13:31] <DaiTengu> must take awhile for the data to populate..
[12-Aug-2006 17:13:40] <socialist> yeah a little while
[12-Aug-2006 17:14:33] <socialist> oh, and to see disk graphs, under /Devices/Server/mymachine, click on "OS", then click on the mount-point name
[12-Aug-2006 17:15:14] <DaiTengu> yeah, found that so far .. just waiting for it to populate or whatever.
[12-Aug-2006 17:19:08] <socialist> grumble
[12-Aug-2006 17:20:04] <socialist> DaiTengu: if you end up wanting to move stuff to a different structure under /Devices, you can copy+paste the RRDTemplate elsewhere as well
[12-Aug-2006 17:20:21] <socialist> info for later, maybe
[12-Aug-2006 17:20:29] <DaiTengu> probably won't .. I've only got 8 servers to manage right now.
[12-Aug-2006 17:20:35] <socialist> lucky you
[12-Aug-2006 17:20:43] <DaiTengu> that'll change over the course of the next year, though.
[12-Aug-2006 17:22:25] <DaiTengu> now I have to figure out how to monitor mysql
[12-Aug-2006 17:22:36] <socialist> you can use nagios plugins
[12-Aug-2006 17:22:53] <DaiTengu> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 17:22:59] <giesen> DaiTengu: I'm sure there's a check_mysql
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:05] <giesen> I use check_sip for my asterisk server
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:09] <giesen> and check_tftp for my tftp server
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:15] <DaiTengu> I'd love to be able to graph things on it.
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:26] <DaiTengu> hits, etc.
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:34] <socialist> you're using asterisk?
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:35] <giesen> is that something you can pull out of the database?
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:39] <socialist> how do you like it?
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:43] <giesen> it's pretty good
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:54] <DaiTengu> I think so, yeah.
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:56] <giesen> it's a bit much to wrap your head around at first
[12-Aug-2006 17:24:06] <giesen> DaiTengu: then just write a nagios plugin to do what you want
[12-Aug-2006 17:24:09] <giesen> it's probably pretty easy
[12-Aug-2006 17:24:13] <socialist> very easy
[12-Aug-2006 17:24:22] <DaiTengu> I bet there's already one out there that'll do it.
[12-Aug-2006 17:24:25] <socialist> all it has to do it output a tiny bit of formatted text
[12-Aug-2006 17:24:31] <socialist> probably so
[12-Aug-2006 17:24:56] <socialist> damnit
[12-Aug-2006 17:25:06] <DaiTengu> I've got 5 mysql servers to monitor thus far.
[12-Aug-2006 17:25:08] <socialist> I'm going to have to double-organize some things
[12-Aug-2006 17:25:23] <socialist> unless there is a way to apply RRDTemplates to systems or groups :\
[12-Aug-2006 17:25:42] * giesen starts writing more tickets
[12-Aug-2006 17:26:05] <DaiTengu> yay, disk usage has populated!
[12-Aug-2006 17:26:11] <socialist> seriously, if I want to split up the way things get monitored, I can only do it under /Devices
[12-Aug-2006 17:26:32] <socialist> which will inevitably double-up on the structure of systems or groups
[12-Aug-2006 17:27:11] <socialist> for me, anywya
[12-Aug-2006 17:28:03] <DaiTengu> yeah, I've got servers that have apache on them, servers with lighttp, and some of them have mysql and some don't.
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[12-Aug-2006 17:29:08] <giesen> socialist: I just added a ticket for basically what you want
[12-Aug-2006 17:29:16] <giesen> I suggested device metadata
[12-Aug-2006 17:29:19] <giesen> a la gmail
[12-Aug-2006 17:29:27] <giesen> that allows you to tag a device as more than one group
[12-Aug-2006 17:29:39] <socialist> groovy
[12-Aug-2006 17:29:46] <giesen> and the trees would be represented by queries on the metadata rather than a hard folder structure
[12-Aug-2006 17:30:17] <socialist> cross referencing makes me very happy
[12-Aug-2006 17:30:59] <socialist> "Site 1 -> services -> DNS -> server1" == "Servers -> HP -> Linux -> server1"
[12-Aug-2006 17:31:21] <giesen> actually it would shorten the hierarchy significantly
[12-Aug-2006 17:31:30] <giesen> because you have it tagged as both Device > Server HP
[12-Aug-2006 17:31:36] <giesen> and Device > Server > Linux
[12-Aug-2006 17:31:41] <socialist> yes
[12-Aug-2006 17:31:49] <socialist> good stuff
[12-Aug-2006 17:31:49] <giesen> without duplicating the Linux part for each OS
[12-Aug-2006 17:32:50] <giesen> and templates for both would apply
[12-Aug-2006 17:33:02] <socialist> yes exactly
[12-Aug-2006 17:33:15] <giesen> man
[12-Aug-2006 17:33:22] <giesen> I wish I could go back and edit my tickets
[12-Aug-2006 17:33:29] <giesen> I wanna add some stuff to that ticket now
[12-Aug-2006 17:33:38] <giesen> ticket #263 btw
[12-Aug-2006 17:33:41] <socialist> could get a bit hairy though, if you had conflicting templates
[12-Aug-2006 17:34:03] <giesen> the templates shouldnt conflict at all
[12-Aug-2006 17:34:15] <giesen> they'd be duplicated if anything
[12-Aug-2006 17:34:27] <giesen> and the template would always have a finite path
[12-Aug-2006 17:35:03] <socialist> if a device gets a template for the same thing (say disk) from 2 groups, but each has a different threshhold...
[12-Aug-2006 17:35:26] <giesen> oh I see what you mean
[12-Aug-2006 17:35:32] <giesen> you'd have twice as many alerts
[12-Aug-2006 17:35:39] <socialist> or inaccurate ones
[12-Aug-2006 17:35:55] <socialist> that's why a lot of apps separate monitoring and statistics
[12-Aug-2006 17:36:08] <giesen> well that's eric's problem
[12-Aug-2006 17:36:11] <giesen> we're just idea guys =)
[12-Aug-2006 17:36:25] <giesen> up to them to work out the logistics =)
[12-Aug-2006 17:36:26] <socialist> yeah, I'm not sure if it's wise to tie threshholds to statistics graphs
[12-Aug-2006 17:36:40] <socialist> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 17:39:50] <giesen> well they're not tied per se.
[12-Aug-2006 17:49:06] <socialist> hm, what about the disk threshholds? They're set in the RRDTemplate..
[12-Aug-2006 17:49:16] <socialist> I could easily be misunderstanding this
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[12-Aug-2006 17:55:05] <giesen> yeah, they're set in the same template
[12-Aug-2006 17:55:09] <giesen> so in that sense they're connected
[12-Aug-2006 17:55:24] <giesen> but the graphs dont directly depend on the alerts and vice versa
[12-Aug-2006 17:55:29] <socialist> that is true
[12-Aug-2006 17:55:46] * giesen submits more tickets
[12-Aug-2006 17:55:55] <giesen> haha eric is gonna hate me when Im done
[12-Aug-2006 17:55:57] <socialist> plus you can use plugins for monitoring, and probably not even use threshholds in the RRDTemplates, yeah?
[12-Aug-2006 18:00:26] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 18:00:44] <giesen> you definitely dont have to define any thresholds
[12-Aug-2006 18:00:51] <giesen> but you can still do performance graphing
[12-Aug-2006 18:01:05] <socialist> certainly
[12-Aug-2006 18:05:05] <giesen> I managed to break my graphs today
[12-Aug-2006 18:05:18] <socialist> yay
[12-Aug-2006 18:05:20] <giesen> when I changed my temp settings from fahrenheit to celcius
[12-Aug-2006 18:05:33] <giesen> well not broke so much as screwed them up
[12-Aug-2006 18:28:09] <giesen> oubiwann: you = duncan?
[12-Aug-2006 18:34:26] <DaiTengu> I suppose I should do more reading about rrd, eh
[12-Aug-2006 18:34:41] <socialist> it's helpful
[12-Aug-2006 18:34:53] <socialist> plus it's about one of the coolest inventions of all time
[12-Aug-2006 18:35:14] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 18:35:45] <giesen> DaiTengu: it's basically a fixed-size database
[12-Aug-2006 18:35:50] <giesen> that keeps historical data
[12-Aug-2006 18:35:56] <giesen> but older the data
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:00] <giesen> the less samples it keeps
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:04] <giesen> so for example
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:13] <giesen> let's say I have a year's worth of data
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:22] <giesen> for a the current day
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:29] <giesen> I might have 1000 samples
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:35] <giesen> in 24 hours
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:40] <giesen> for the current week
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:48] <giesen> I might have 1000 samples for the whole week
[12-Aug-2006 18:37:09] <giesen> for the current month, I might have 1000 samples for the whole month (excluding the current week, and current day)
[12-Aug-2006 18:37:38] <giesen> and for the current year, I might have 1000 samples for the whole year (with previously mentioned exclusions)
[12-Aug-2006 18:37:45] <giesen> that way you can still see trends in your data
[12-Aug-2006 18:38:04] <giesen> without having super huge databases that you dont need
[12-Aug-2006 18:38:11] <giesen> cause you dont tend to need the resolution out to a year.
[12-Aug-2006 18:39:35] <giesen> and it's called round robin
[12-Aug-2006 18:39:42] <giesen> because it replaces those old samples
[12-Aug-2006 18:39:45] <giesen> with new samples
[12-Aug-2006 18:39:51] <giesen> so your database always stays the same size
[12-Aug-2006 18:40:11] <giesen> it's incredibly useful for all kinds of historical data
[12-Aug-2006 18:40:40] <socialist> oetiker is a genius
[12-Aug-2006 18:47:00] <giesen> aye
[12-Aug-2006 18:47:05] <giesen> man, taking a look at zope
[12-Aug-2006 18:47:17] <giesen> I'm seeing how they get new functionality implemented so quickly
[12-Aug-2006 18:47:23] <giesen> zope does 3/4 of the work
[12-Aug-2006 18:47:27] <socialist> hehe yeah
[12-Aug-2006 18:47:45] <giesen> it's like VB for the web
[12-Aug-2006 18:49:13] <socialist> bite your tongue
[12-Aug-2006 18:49:35] <giesen> haha
[12-Aug-2006 19:01:12] <socialist> uggghh must have commandline toolset
[12-Aug-2006 19:03:14] <socialist> Is there some way to completely delete events?
[12-Aug-2006 19:10:37] <giesen> hehe been reading my emails have ya? =)
[12-Aug-2006 19:10:51] <socialist> hah actually no
[12-Aug-2006 19:18:58] <oubiwann> giesen: yup, I'm duncan ;-)
[12-Aug-2006 19:24:24] <socialist> ooh a real bug
[12-Aug-2006 19:24:31] <socialist> minor but real
[12-Aug-2006 19:25:49] <socialist> oh nm I'm running svn
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[12-Aug-2006 19:41:22] <bulrog> hello
[12-Aug-2006 19:41:30] <giesen> hello
[12-Aug-2006 19:41:43] <bulrog>
[12-Aug-2006 19:43:32] <bulrog> I'm having trouble installing on os x (panther) . check_time.c in nagios plugin fails. is this the right place to ask?
[12-Aug-2006 19:44:18] <giesen> check_time.c is uncompile source code
[12-Aug-2006 19:44:22] <giesen> it has to be compiled
[12-Aug-2006 19:44:31] <giesen> *uncompiled
[12-Aug-2006 19:44:52] <bulrog> is there a paste url ?
[12-Aug-2006 19:45:06] <giesen> try running this
[12-Aug-2006 19:45:17] <giesen> gcc -o check_time check_time.c
[12-Aug-2006 19:45:48] <bulrog> same compile errors
[12-Aug-2006 19:45:57] <bulrog> check_time.c:36: error: parse error before "server_time"
[12-Aug-2006 19:45:57] <bulrog> check_time.c:36: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `server_time'
[12-Aug-2006 19:45:57] <bulrog> check_time.c:36: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `raw_server_time'
[12-Aug-2006 19:46:00] <bulrog> check_time.c:36: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
[12-Aug-2006 19:46:02] <bulrog> make[3]: *** [check_time.o] Error 1
[12-Aug-2006 19:46:05] <bulrog> make[2]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
[12-Aug-2006 19:46:07] <bulrog> make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
[12-Aug-2006 19:46:10] <bulrog> MRLO:~/build/zenoss-0.22.1 amal$
[12-Aug-2006 19:48:40] <bulrog> I got this from install.sh script
[12-Aug-2006 19:48:53] <bulrog> http://cl1p.net/zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 19:48:53] <adytum-bot> Title: cl1p.net (at cl1p.net)
[12-Aug-2006 19:57:12] <giesen> I'd remove it from the makefile for the time being
[12-Aug-2006 19:57:22] <giesen> it's probably a compatibility issue with os X
[12-Aug-2006 19:57:36] <giesen> or even just remove the .c file
[12-Aug-2006 19:57:40] <giesen> and see if that solve it
[12-Aug-2006 20:02:40] <bulrog> ok. i'll try that
[12-Aug-2006 20:02:52] <bulrog> thank you.
[12-Aug-2006 20:07:41] <bulrog> I'm really hoping zenoss is the one app we can start using. unicenter is killling us
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[12-Aug-2006 20:12:56] <giesen> bulrog: hehe pretty much anything CA makes is crap
[12-Aug-2006 20:13:07] <giesen> ever had to deal with ArcServ?
[12-Aug-2006 20:13:14] * giesen submits another ticket
[12-Aug-2006 20:13:19] <giesen> haha Im such a sadist
[12-Aug-2006 20:13:31] <bulrog> tell me about it. not only is their product shite, but their accounting practices is downright extortion
[12-Aug-2006 20:13:50] <giesen> I spent like 4 months trying to get ArcServ working with a tape library
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:03] <giesen> finally convinced the customer to move to backup exec
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:06] <bulrog> one good thing is I'll have significant input on the migration. Right now, i've got them thinking python
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:07] <giesen> had it working inside a couple hours
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:16] * bulrog loves python
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:29] <bulrog> tape. omg
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:31] <giesen> Im warming up to it
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:42] <giesen> although I wish they would write the remote agents in java
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:48] <giesen> pretty much any box has java on it
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:57] <giesen> whereas python is a lot further off
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:14] <giesen> specifically zenwin
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:18] <bulrog> ah
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:20] <bulrog> ok
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:29] <giesen> on the upside
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:30] * bulrog just found out about zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:36] <giesen> I only have to install zenwin on one windows machine
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:36] <bulrog> so, i'm getting used to the terms
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:39] <giesen> so it's not too bad
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:46] <giesen> bulrog: Ive been using it about 2 weeks
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:49] <giesen> and loving it.
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:53] <bulrog> excellent
[12-Aug-2006 20:16:06] <giesen> playing around with the nagios plugin functionality
[12-Aug-2006 20:16:08] <bulrog> the channel is pretty small
[12-Aug-2006 20:16:08] <giesen> which they just added
[12-Aug-2006 20:16:11] <giesen> it's great
[12-Aug-2006 20:16:14] <bulrog> cool.
[12-Aug-2006 20:16:24] <giesen> and I've been submitting LOTS of feature requests =)
[12-Aug-2006 20:16:42] <bulrog> we're looking to "manage" about 2000+ win servers
[12-Aug-2006 20:17:05] <giesen> just make sure you install snmp-informant on them
[12-Aug-2006 20:17:06] <bulrog> and hoping to triple that in the next 18 - 24 months
[12-Aug-2006 20:17:10] <giesen> and you'll like what you see
[12-Aug-2006 20:17:39] <bulrog> yea, i was originally looking at nagios. and liked the snmp plugins
[12-Aug-2006 20:18:22] <bulrog> god. i really want to turn this place into a python shop
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[12-Aug-2006 20:20:24] <giesen> if you like snmp
[12-Aug-2006 20:20:29] <giesen> you'll really like zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 20:20:32] <giesen> it's really based around it
[12-Aug-2006 20:20:50] <giesen> it has the most comprehensive snmp support I've seen in an oss nms project
[12-Aug-2006 20:21:01] <giesen> whereas nagios doesnt understand snmp
[12-Aug-2006 20:21:12] <giesen> and opennms doesnt really either
[12-Aug-2006 20:24:18] <bulrog> interesting
[12-Aug-2006 20:24:22] <bulrog> I got it!
[12-Aug-2006 20:24:43] <bulrog> there was a darwinport patch for that file. applied ... chugging along
[12-Aug-2006 20:24:53] * bulrog adds it to his installation memoirs
[12-Aug-2006 20:26:08] <giesen> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 20:26:11] <bulrog> yea, i'm glad i came on.
[12-Aug-2006 20:26:19] <giesen> yeah I had fun installing zenoss the first time
[12-Aug-2006 20:26:23] <giesen> I almost gave up on it
[12-Aug-2006 20:26:36] <giesen> it took like 45 minutes to populate the mib database
[12-Aug-2006 20:26:38] <bulrog> i would have REALLY hated getting mugged by snmp
[12-Aug-2006 20:26:49] <giesen> and I kept breaking out of the install
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:04] <giesen> mugged?
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:14] <bulrog> trying to get it to work
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:24] <bulrog> under stressful conditions
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:26] <giesen> oh
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:27] <giesen> haha
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:39] <giesen> once you get to know your way around zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:42] <giesen> it's pretty slick
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:58] <giesen> although there's some feature requests I put in that would make it even more so
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:59] <giesen> =)
[12-Aug-2006 20:29:13] <bulrog> i'm looking forward to it. I'm really glad they built on top of zope. i want to see how they leverage zeo .
[12-Aug-2006 20:29:30] <bulrog> crap.
[12-Aug-2006 20:29:35] <giesen> I dont know much about zope
[12-Aug-2006 20:29:39] <giesen> but from what Ive seen of it
[12-Aug-2006 20:29:46] <giesen> it looks like it's really easy to develop for
[12-Aug-2006 20:29:47] <bulrog> zope rocks
[12-Aug-2006 20:29:54] <bulrog> check out plone, which is built on it
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:15] <bulrog> http://plone.org
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:15] <giesen> so they implement features really quickly
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:15] <giesen> which is what makes me happy
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:15] <giesen> although I'm kinda disappointed they have 3 different databases
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:23] <giesen> I'd be happier if everything was on one
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:31] <bulrog> what do you mean?
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:41] <giesen> well there's the mysql events database
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:47] <giesen> the native zope object database
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:51] <giesen> and the rrd database
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:04] <bulrog> ah. well, i'm happy with that
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:08] <giesen> I'd be happier if everything is in mysql
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:14] <giesen> cause it's easier to backup one data source
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:15] <bulrog> zope needs to have somethings in its zodb
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:25] <giesen> yeah I see that
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:29] <bulrog> there's some decent scripts for zodb backup
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:42] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:53] <giesen> I'd just like it consolidated for ease of management
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:56] <bulrog> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:58] <giesen> but it's not that big a deal
[12-Aug-2006 20:32:33] <bulrog> have u experimented with splunk?
[12-Aug-2006 20:33:04] <giesen> nope
[12-Aug-2006 20:34:16] <giesen> I'm not really a developer
[12-Aug-2006 20:34:21] <bulrog> its on my list of todo
[12-Aug-2006 20:34:23] <giesen> although I'm trying to dabble in a little bit of j2me
[12-Aug-2006 20:34:53] <bulrog> take a look at jython if you feel the need for reaching out to java_
[12-Aug-2006 20:35:58] <bulrog> i haven't touched java since `99
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:16] <bulrog> hehe, when it was write once run nowhere
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:17] <bulrog>
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:18] <bulrog> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:25] <giesen> now it's actually useful
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:31] <giesen> and gaining popularity
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:34] <bulrog> yea. thats what i hear
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:38] <giesen> I especially like the idea of it on mobile platforms
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:45] <bulrog> it has uses
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:53] <giesen> the cool thing is
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:57] <giesen> the Nokia S60
[12-Aug-2006 20:37:08] <giesen> runs C++ programs, Java, and has Python on it
[12-Aug-2006 20:37:16] <bulrog> cool
[12-Aug-2006 20:37:21] <giesen> sounds like the perfect compliment for zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 20:37:42] <giesen> I'm looking at getting a Nokia E61
[12-Aug-2006 20:40:41] <bulrog> hrm
[12-Aug-2006 20:41:48] <giesen> I assume CPython is regular Python?
[12-Aug-2006 20:42:40] <bulrog> thata does look sexy
[12-Aug-2006 20:42:48] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:02] <giesen> I always kinda sneered at the Symbian platform
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:07] <giesen> but's caught my attention now
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:12] <giesen> I was a blackberry man before
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:19] <giesen> well, I still am for the time being
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:24] <giesen> and it's all about the java on it
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:29] <bulrog> CPython is the default impl of python
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:31] <giesen> and they have a pretty decent API
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:41] <giesen> but Symbian is just sexy
[12-Aug-2006 20:44:42] <bulrog> cool.
[12-Aug-2006 20:44:47] <giesen> I'm assuming python is object oriented
[12-Aug-2006 20:44:51] <giesen> I've never touched it before
[12-Aug-2006 20:44:55] * bulrog dreams of runing linux on a stick
[12-Aug-2006 20:45:10] <giesen> where's the carrot?
[12-Aug-2006 20:45:22] <bulrog> heh
[12-Aug-2006 20:45:57] <bulrog> oooh, made it to libsmi now
[12-Aug-2006 20:46:17] <giesen> hehe wait till you get to the .xml files
[12-Aug-2006 20:46:25] <giesen> takes about 45 mins on my box
[12-Aug-2006 20:46:27] <bulrog> awesome
[12-Aug-2006 20:46:28] <giesen> yours is probably faster
[12-Aug-2006 20:46:34] <giesen> but still
[12-Aug-2006 20:46:44] <bulrog> have you checked out TAL yet?
[12-Aug-2006 20:47:02] <bulrog> you'll love the templating ability it gives u
[12-Aug-2006 20:48:26] <giesen> okay Im still trying to figure out what splunk is
[12-Aug-2006 20:48:30] <giesen> some sort of KB/wiki?
[12-Aug-2006 20:49:11] <giesen> oh
[12-Aug-2006 20:49:12] <giesen> nm
[12-Aug-2006 20:51:38] <bulrog> btw, you've 3 weeks on zenoss?
[12-Aug-2006 20:52:02] <bulrog> how many machines are you monitoring? ... and i assume you give it two thumbs up?
[12-Aug-2006 20:52:53] <giesen> I've got about 50 devices
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:01] <giesen> and I'd give it 1.5 thumbs up
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:13] <giesen> it's the best open source nms Ive found so far
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:16] <giesen> at least for my needs
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:22] <giesen> and it has lots of excellent functionality
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:29] <giesen> but there's also some stuff Id like to see added
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:36] <giesen> the great part is though
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:41] <giesen> they've got a very solid base
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:47] <giesen> so it's got tons of potential
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:58] <giesen> it's lightyears ahead of nagios
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:05] <giesen> in terms of being able to add more functionality
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:18] <giesen> just by virture of the way it's architected
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:35] <giesen> and the project isnt that old
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:36] <bulrog> cool.
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:42] <giesen> whereas nagios is supposed to mature
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:50] <giesen> and already zenoss does everything nagios does and more
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:53] <giesen> as far as I can tell
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:57] <giesen> also
[12-Aug-2006 20:55:03] <giesen> they just got $4.8M worth of funding
[12-Aug-2006 20:55:04] <bulrog> yea. that is a concern. though i really like the architecture and platform choices
[12-Aug-2006 20:55:11] <giesen> so project should stick around
[12-Aug-2006 20:55:14] <giesen> which was one of my first worries
[12-Aug-2006 20:55:39] <bulrog> i didn't know about the funding. do u have a link?
[12-Aug-2006 20:55:49] <giesen> yeah, sec
[12-Aug-2006 20:55:53] <bulrog> is it related to the consortium they recently formed?
[12-Aug-2006 20:57:34] <giesen> http://news.com.com/2110-7344_3-6104706.html?part=rss&tag=6104706&subj=news
[12-Aug-2006 20:57:34] <adytum-bot> Title: Open-source firm Zenoss scores new funding | CNET News.com (at news.com.com)
[12-Aug-2006 20:57:49] <bulrog> excellent. i need fuel to make my case
[12-Aug-2006 20:58:13] <giesen> I dont think the funding was directly related to the consortium, no
[12-Aug-2006 20:58:14] <bulrog> zope is coming in its own. more projects will hop on it
[12-Aug-2006 20:58:35] <bulrog> well, its a confidence builder
[12-Aug-2006 20:58:40] <bulrog> thanks for that
[12-Aug-2006 20:58:45] <giesen> np
[12-Aug-2006 20:58:50] <giesen> luckily in my job
[12-Aug-2006 20:58:57] <giesen> I get more leverage in making the descisions
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:07] <giesen> and my bosses are supportive of OSS solutions
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:15] <giesen> mostly cause they're cheap bastards =)
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:34] <bulrog> aren't they all?
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:43] <bulrog> except when they fly
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:43] <giesen> depends
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:51] <bulrog> then its first class all the way
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:52] <giesen> some will spend the money on things like hardware
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:55] <giesen> and software
[12-Aug-2006 21:00:09] <giesen> but I get a lot of discretion when it comes to picking solutions
[12-Aug-2006 21:00:13] <giesen> for better or worse
[12-Aug-2006 21:00:21] <giesen> that's why Im hoping zenoss pays off
[12-Aug-2006 21:00:29] <giesen> otherwise I'm gonna get hanged for it =)
[12-Aug-2006 21:00:30] <bulrog> the best line i've heard to dodge the question is ... we invest in people
[12-Aug-2006 21:00:49] <bulrog> yea, i'm looking for some use cases
[12-Aug-2006 21:01:01] <giesen> hmm NetDirector looks pretty cool
[12-Aug-2006 21:01:27] <bulrog> plone has a nice tutorials and worksshops on spreading their propaganda
[12-Aug-2006 21:01:30] <giesen> we sorta have a half and half network
[12-Aug-2006 21:01:39] <giesen> half OSS/half windows
[12-Aug-2006 21:01:51] <bulrog> oss?
[12-Aug-2006 21:01:54] <giesen> I gotta start working towards solutions that integrate the two
[12-Aug-2006 21:01:55] <bulrog> *nix ?
[12-Aug-2006 21:02:01] <giesen> Open Source Software
[12-Aug-2006 21:02:03] <bulrog> ah
[12-Aug-2006 21:02:04] <giesen> but yeah, nix
[12-Aug-2006 21:02:12] <bulrog> cool
[12-Aug-2006 21:02:12] <giesen> a bunch of freebsd, a bunch of gentoo
[12-Aug-2006 21:02:26] <bulrog> yea. t hats why the snmp should be sweet
[12-Aug-2006 21:03:30] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 21:03:39] <bulrog> thats our environment as well
[12-Aug-2006 21:03:44] <giesen> Ideally Id like to be able to eventually integrate zenoss with Microsoft CRM
[12-Aug-2006 21:03:49] <giesen> though that's probably a longshot
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:01] <bulrog> redhat, wimp32, aix and bsds
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:05] <giesen> I've got definite plans to integrate it with our phone system though
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:17] <bulrog> integrate as in, send alerts?
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:25] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:34] <giesen> I put in a ticket to do text-to-speech
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:41] <giesen> so zenoss would call you
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:52] <bulrog> hehe.
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:52] <giesen> and you can acknowledge/escalate alerts over the phone
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:00] <giesen> also
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:05] <bulrog> leverage a mac
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:05] <giesen> to be able to call into the phone system
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:08] <bulrog> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:13] <giesen> and check system status over the phone
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:28] <giesen> it would be dead easy if zenoss had some CLI management tools
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:42] <bulrog> cli?
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:50] <giesen> command line intertface
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:53] <giesen> ie not web-based
[12-Aug-2006 21:06:03] <bulrog> doesn't it have xmlrpc?
[12-Aug-2006 21:06:11] <giesen> it does
[12-Aug-2006 21:06:16] <giesen> I dont know enough about it
[12-Aug-2006 21:06:20] <giesen> but I'm talking simple tools
[12-Aug-2006 21:06:24] <giesen> to get status reports
[12-Aug-2006 21:06:35] <giesen> think of the type of output a nagios plugin puts out
[12-Aug-2006 21:06:48] <bulrog> yea, python has an xmlrpc lib that will allow you to sip those out
[12-Aug-2006 21:07:00] <bulrog> and you can use pyxml or tal to format the results
[12-Aug-2006 21:08:11] <bulrog> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XML-RPC-HOWTO/xmlrpc-howto-python.html
[12-Aug-2006 21:16:55] <giesen> oubiwann: you here?
[12-Aug-2006 21:17:05] <oubiwann> yup
[12-Aug-2006 21:18:11] <oubiwann> giesen: (looking up at the comments) you know about the dmd, right? You mean a different CLI than that?
[12-Aug-2006 21:19:41] <oubiwann> brb
[12-Aug-2006 21:21:32] <giesen> the dmd?
[12-Aug-2006 21:21:41] <giesen> do you mean the zope managment interface?
[12-Aug-2006 21:21:46] <giesen> the web based one?
[12-Aug-2006 21:21:50] <giesen> or is there a CLI based one
[12-Aug-2006 21:22:01] <giesen> ideally, what'd I like is a bunch of simple command line tools
[12-Aug-2006 21:22:06] <giesen> for checking status on devices
[12-Aug-2006 21:22:14] <giesen> it may not be that big a deal
[12-Aug-2006 21:22:22] <giesen> I'm taking a look at some XML-RPC stuff
[12-Aug-2006 21:22:25] <giesen> and that may do it
[12-Aug-2006 21:23:27] <giesen> can I do things like send events from the zenoss machine via xml rpc
[12-Aug-2006 21:23:33] <giesen> and then acknowledge them back
[12-Aug-2006 21:24:19] <giesen> cause if I can
[12-Aug-2006 21:24:23] <giesen> I can get that into asterisk
[12-Aug-2006 21:24:32] <giesen> and implement the whole call system on asterisk
[12-Aug-2006 21:25:54] <oubiwann> back
[12-Aug-2006 21:26:01] <oubiwann> well, there's an interactive tool, zendmd
[12-Aug-2006 21:26:15] <oubiwann> puts you into a CLI, python/zope-based
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:01] <oubiwann> because of python and ZEO, you can write anything you want to get data out of Zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:16] <giesen> I'm in it now
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:20] <bulrog> damn, unable to create initial zenoss object database
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:23] <giesen> and I'm thinking of something a little more brainless to use
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:35] <oubiwann> right, that's what I was guess by your comments
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:37] <giesen> bulrog: I had to import mibs.xml manually on mine
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:45] <giesen> and found a bug
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:51] <giesen> that if your /tmp partition is less than 900 MB
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:53] <giesen> it wont do it.
[12-Aug-2006 21:28:02] <bulrog> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 21:28:04] <giesen> so you have two choices
[12-Aug-2006 21:28:05] <bulrog> hrm
[12-Aug-2006 21:28:07] <giesen> delete mibs.xml
[12-Aug-2006 21:28:11] <giesen> or import it manually
[12-Aug-2006 21:28:20] <giesen> sec, I'll see if I can dig up the post on it
[12-Aug-2006 21:29:14] <giesen> http://www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg00820.html//www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg00820.html
[12-Aug-2006 21:29:14] <adytum-bot> Title: Re: [zenoss-users] Install hangs at "ZentinelPortal loaded at zport" (at www.mail-archive.com)
[12-Aug-2006 21:30:51] <giesen> should probably submit a formal bug report
[12-Aug-2006 21:31:03] <bulrog> ouch
[12-Aug-2006 21:31:36] <bulrog> hrm
[12-Aug-2006 21:33:58] <giesen> I think I stumbled on a possible solution. Hit CTRL-C, and then run
[12-Aug-2006 21:33:58] <giesen> the installer again. Tell it you want to upgrade, and it should
[12-Aug-2006 21:33:58] <giesen> succeed. Now run zenss ( $ZENHOME/bin/zenoss start) and then go to
[12-Aug-2006 21:33:58] <giesen> $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/data and zenload -i <file.xml> where
[12-Aug-2006 21:33:59] <giesen> file.xml is each .xml file in that directory. That seems to have
[12-Aug-2006 21:34:01] <giesen> solved the issue for me.
[12-Aug-2006 21:34:20] <giesen> that's the mail I sent to the list
[12-Aug-2006 21:34:36] <giesen> I dont know if it's so much a bug per se
[12-Aug-2006 21:34:42] <giesen> as just a general performance issue
[12-Aug-2006 21:34:53] <giesen> but maybe something that needs to be better documented
[12-Aug-2006 21:46:04] <bulrog> thanks giesen, i'll let u know how it works out
[12-Aug-2006 21:46:15] <giesen> np
[12-Aug-2006 21:51:26] <giesen> man
[12-Aug-2006 21:51:37] <giesen> there's an a python xmlrpc interface for asterisk
[12-Aug-2006 22:14:10] <bulrog> yea, the pylibs are sick
[13-Aug-2006 08:24:33] <bulrog> is anyone running on a mac os x (panther?)
[13-Aug-2006 08:27:10] <bulrog> ERROR:Zope:Couldn't install ZenRRD
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[13-Aug-2006 23:20:33] <bulrog> Anyone running this on OS X Panther?
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[14-Aug-2006 12:31:00] <rputzler> Why is it that the admin user can see events in the dashboard view, but users I create have an empty dashboard?
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[14-Aug-2006 15:22:58] <Shaz> Any recommendations for how often I should update Zenoss?
[14-Aug-2006 15:40:22] <bulrog> hehe
[14-Aug-2006 15:52:30] <Shaz> Laughter is the only response? Should I be afraid?
[14-Aug-2006 15:54:50] <creiht> Shaz: Are you talking about from release to release or from source?
[14-Aug-2006 15:55:22] <creiht> btw... I have updated several releases since my initial install and haven't run into any major problems
[14-Aug-2006 15:55:57] <bulrog> sorry shaz: that went to the wrong window
[14-Aug-2006 16:17:09] <zaf> Shaz, read the release notes for each version that comes out. if you find that you have a bug that's fixed, or can take advantage of a feature that's introduced, then upgrade
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[14-Aug-2006 16:55:56] <rputzler> Hmm. Modeling using ssh doesn't seem to work unless you have ssh running on the default port 22.
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[14-Aug-2006 16:58:54] <Shaz> Thank you all. I'll just keep an eye on the releases and go from there.
[14-Aug-2006 17:12:52] <Shaz> Have any of you tried adding an auto-refresh to your graph pages?
[14-Aug-2006 17:20:05] <creiht> Shaz: I would make a request on the mailing list for the zenoss guys to add that (There is a Start Refresh button on several other pages -- the Events tab for example)
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[14-Aug-2006 17:22:17] <rputzler> I just submitted a ticket and patch (#266) for the ssh problem.
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[14-Aug-2006 20:01:07] <bulrog> anyone out there?
[14-Aug-2006 20:01:54] <Shaz> No one here but us chickens.
[14-Aug-2006 20:03:44] <bulrog> peck peck peck
[14-Aug-2006 20:04:01] <bulrog> so, how long have you been using zenoss?
[14-Aug-2006 20:05:01] <bulrog> i've been playing with it for two days. finally able to monitor some of my bsd boxes, and now i'm looking to add some windows machines.
[14-Aug-2006 20:05:39] <bulrog> not on an ideal installation , mac os x panther
[14-Aug-2006 20:06:07] * bulrog can't pull away from the mac
[14-Aug-2006 20:07:01] <Shaz> I've only been using Zenoss for a week. I'm happy with it. Just adding servers/routers/switches/what-have-you as I have time to.
[14-Aug-2006 20:07:53] <Shaz> I haven't tried to get zenwin running yet. One of our developers has volunteered to be a test subject.
[14-Aug-2006 20:08:55] <bulrog> yea, i just started. i installed the ms snmp and snmptrap. but damn windows xp sp2 firewall is gumming up the works
[14-Aug-2006 20:10:01] <Shaz> I prefer perimiter firewalling to doing it at the host (not that the two are exclusive). With this in mind, I just turn Windows Firewall off.
[14-Aug-2006 20:10:21] <Shaz> Errr..."perimeter".
[14-Aug-2006 20:10:53] <Shaz> Though you could likely setup a rule allowing SNMP through. Shouldn't be to tough.
[14-Aug-2006 20:12:11] <bulrog> yea
[14-Aug-2006 20:13:21] <Shaz> And now I've got to run. I'm sure I'll see you around: we'll have to swap zenwin stories sometime.
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[15-Aug-2006 13:22:23] <Shaz> Am I connected or not?
[15-Aug-2006 13:22:26] <Shaz> Guess I am.
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[15-Aug-2006 14:02:32] <socialist> so if I have a PerfConf for disk usage in /Devices/Server, and another for disk usage further down the tree in /Devices/Server/Production, does the further down the tree take precedence?
[15-Aug-2006 14:04:26] <socialist> oh I think I see..
[15-Aug-2006 14:07:52] <socialist> here is what is a little odd though. I changed the threshhold for disk usage in /Devices/Server to be 99% instead of 90%
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[15-Aug-2006 14:08:36] <korozion> yay, my shirt came!
[15-Aug-2006 14:09:05] <socialist> I can look at a server at /Devices/Server/Engineering/server.domain.com, and the PerfConf under a disk shows that it is using the 99% threshhold
[15-Aug-2006 14:09:20] <socialist> but I'm still getting events for over 90%
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[15-Aug-2006 15:17:47] <bulrog> What does the channel title mean?
[15-Aug-2006 15:19:18] <edahl> our CEO just had a baby
[15-Aug-2006 15:19:31] <edahl> bill's wife that is
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[15-Aug-2006 15:26:03] <bulrog> ahhh. gotcha
[15-Aug-2006 15:26:20] * bulrog wonders what the oid is for those baby monitors
[15-Aug-2006 15:37:45] <edahl> waaa more milk
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[15-Aug-2006 16:01:08] <korozion> are there upgrade instructions, or should I just run svn again, then install
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[15-Aug-2006 16:20:56] <kiddle> korozion: backing up might be a good idea
[15-Aug-2006 16:23:25] <korozion> too late
[15-Aug-2006 16:23:30] <korozion> it
[15-Aug-2006 16:23:35] <korozion> it's really just a test system anyway
[15-Aug-2006 16:30:04] <kiddle> ah
[15-Aug-2006 16:30:14] <kiddle> i'm no expert, just hobbling along myself
[15-Aug-2006 16:30:37] <kiddle> more documents would certainly help
[15-Aug-2006 16:31:05] <kiddle> anyone tried the corporate support?
[15-Aug-2006 16:34:33] <edahl> docs are a little thin right now but support is great (in my not so subjective opinion)
[15-Aug-2006 16:34:35] <edahl>
[15-Aug-2006 16:34:46] <edahl> objective that is
[15-Aug-2006 16:42:23] <kiddle> I'm evaluating for a company that wants to monitor 2000+ units of mostly windows OS. I like that its built on zope.
[15-Aug-2006 16:43:20] * kiddle kicks a windows machine while no employer is looking
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[15-Aug-2006 17:16:19] <giesen> show that windows machine who's boss =)
[15-Aug-2006 17:17:00] <giesen> edahl: any idea when the next release will be
[15-Aug-2006 17:17:06] <giesen> whether it's 0.22.2 or 0.23
[15-Aug-2006 17:17:22] <kiddle> hey giesen
[15-Aug-2006 17:18:47] * giesen goes back to writing more enhancement tickets to annoy edahl =)
[15-Aug-2006 17:19:06] <edahl> its been rough coming back from a 2 day vacation!
[15-Aug-2006 17:19:09] <edahl>
[15-Aug-2006 17:19:33] <edahl> I think I cut 0.22.2 ... can't remember!
[15-Aug-2006 17:20:00] <edahl> I guess not
[15-Aug-2006 17:20:13] <edahl> soon I think like this week
[15-Aug-2006 17:21:45] <kiddle> edahl: do you use an ide?
[15-Aug-2006 17:21:56] <edahl> vim
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[15-Aug-2006 17:22:11] <kiddle> old school
[15-Aug-2006 17:22:32] <kiddle> seriously, do you use anythibng beside cmdline for zope debugging?
[15-Aug-2006 17:22:48] <edahl> yes the pdb in python
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:01] * edahl set break with
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:12] <kiddle> wing gives free licenses to open source developers
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:24] <edahl> import pdb; pdb.set_trace()
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:40] <giesen> edahl: hehe I just had surgery
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:44] <giesen> and I was gone for 5 days
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:48] <giesen> all hell broke loose
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:51] <giesen> came back to work today
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:55] <giesen> still picking up the pieces
[15-Aug-2006 17:24:06] <kiddle> giesen, were we chatting pre or post surgery?
[15-Aug-2006 17:24:26] <giesen> probably post
[15-Aug-2006 17:24:33] <giesen> when was it again
[15-Aug-2006 17:24:35] <giesen> I cant remember
[15-Aug-2006 17:24:52] <giesen> had surgery last wednesday
[15-Aug-2006 17:25:53] <kiddle> might have been post - you were pretty funny
[15-Aug-2006 17:26:06] <giesen> yeah it was probalby the drugs
[15-Aug-2006 17:26:40] <giesen> but look how many feature request tickets I submitted!
[15-Aug-2006 17:27:27] <kiddle> you submitted a 'test and not record dry-run for sanity" one, right?
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[15-Aug-2006 17:29:41] <giesen> yeah
[15-Aug-2006 17:30:20] <giesen> I just hate software that I dont know what's going on with it
[15-Aug-2006 17:30:36] <giesen> that's one thing that kinda rubs me the wrong with zenoss
[15-Aug-2006 17:30:44] <giesen> dont get me wrong, I love teh software
[15-Aug-2006 17:30:56] <giesen> but there's all these magical processes that do all these magical things
[15-Aug-2006 17:31:04] <kiddle> yea, i'm trying the cmdline tools to see exactly whats going on
[15-Aug-2006 17:31:06] <giesen> and there's no way to tell if something is just working
[15-Aug-2006 17:31:27] <giesen> and with an nms package, I want to be sure it's getting the correct values
[15-Aug-2006 17:31:32] <giesen> and that my alerts at working
[15-Aug-2006 17:31:34] <kiddle> and right now, zenperfsnmp is blowing up on me
[15-Aug-2006 17:32:01] <kiddle> I agree
[15-Aug-2006 17:32:38] <kiddle> some testing tools would be a great add down the road as well
[15-Aug-2006 17:32:44] <kiddle> a python virtual device
[15-Aug-2006 17:33:19] <kiddle> blah blah... back to this zenperfsnmp prb
[15-Aug-2006 17:33:27] <giesen> hehe
[15-Aug-2006 17:33:33] <giesen> I find a good smack now and then
[15-Aug-2006 17:33:42] <giesen> keeps zenperfsnmp in line
[15-Aug-2006 17:33:55] * kiddle tries the pimp hand
[15-Aug-2006 17:45:04] * kiddle 's zenperfsnmp problem was a case of RTFM-itis
[15-Aug-2006 17:45:15] <kiddle> doh
[15-Aug-2006 17:56:12] <kiddle> I have devices that change their IP from time to time. How do you suggest managing that?
[15-Aug-2006 17:56:42] <edahl> ping will show down
[15-Aug-2006 17:56:52] <kiddle> yea
[15-Aug-2006 17:57:00] <edahl> go to the device manage tab and ...
[15-Aug-2006 17:57:16] <kiddle> ouch
[15-Aug-2006 17:57:27] <edahl> reset ip
[15-Aug-2006 17:57:27] <kiddle> i have 12 devices that just hopped
[15-Aug-2006 17:57:38] <edahl> if DNS is correct
[15-Aug-2006 18:00:36] <landonf> You monitor devices whose IPs and DNS records often change?
[15-Aug-2006 18:01:04] <kiddle> yea, switching between wireless and cable
[15-Aug-2006 18:01:17] <kiddle> not often , but possible
[15-Aug-2006 18:01:32] <landonf> You don't have a back-end network that remains consistent?
[15-Aug-2006 18:03:23] <kiddle> for the most part its consistent. but i do have some key deivces that switch over from wireless to wired
[15-Aug-2006 18:04:35] <landonf> Do they sometimes switch over to shortwave too?
[15-Aug-2006 18:05:25] <kiddle>
[15-Aug-2006 18:06:14] <landonf> As for suggestions as to how to manage that: Keep your dns records pointing at the right IP address. All bets are off when you can't rely on anything remaining consistent.
[15-Aug-2006 18:07:38] <kiddle> ty
[15-Aug-2006 18:08:12] <kiddle> IPs may change, but DNS lookup is always valid
[15-Aug-2006 18:08:27] <kiddle> except when its not
[15-Aug-2006 18:12:01] <kiddle> landonf, edahl: thanks. that solves this issue very nicely
[15-Aug-2006 18:34:50] <giesen> ouch
[15-Aug-2006 18:35:14] <giesen> you should see the nightmare of a problem I have to deal with
[15-Aug-2006 18:35:25] <giesen> where two devices trade an IP back and forth
[15-Aug-2006 18:47:19] <giesen> I've got it mostly sorted out
[15-Aug-2006 18:47:22] <giesen> thanks to nagios plugs
[15-Aug-2006 18:47:25] <giesen> plugins
[15-Aug-2006 18:47:32] <giesen> where I can specify the IP manually
[15-Aug-2006 18:47:37] <giesen> but it's a hack more than anything
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[15-Aug-2006 19:05:08] <kiddle> giesen, do those devices have their own names? and can u rely on dns?
[15-Aug-2006 19:05:12] <kiddle> just curious
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[15-Aug-2006 20:00:15] <giesen> kiddle: the problem I had
[15-Aug-2006 20:00:27] <giesen> is that I have 3 IPs
[15-Aug-2006 20:00:29] <giesen> and 2 devices
[15-Aug-2006 20:00:36] <giesen> and depending on which device is the master
[15-Aug-2006 20:00:40] <giesen> it has the third IP
[15-Aug-2006 20:00:51] <giesen> so it was difficult to make a third virtual device
[15-Aug-2006 20:00:58] <giesen> because zenoss kept detecting its IP
[15-Aug-2006 20:01:02] <giesen> on one of the other devices
[15-Aug-2006 20:01:49] <kiddle> (i stepped away and j ust returned for that)
[15-Aug-2006 20:02:42] <giesen> mine's not a common usage scenario
[15-Aug-2006 20:02:50] <giesen> unfortunately it's one I have ot deal with
[15-Aug-2006 20:02:57] <kiddle> that is an interesting problem, can u elaborate?
[15-Aug-2006 20:03:03] <giesen> okay
[15-Aug-2006 20:03:14] <giesen> so I have two servers setup in a hot failover setup
[15-Aug-2006 20:03:29] <giesen> so they each have their own IP that's dedicated to them
[15-Aug-2006 20:03:40] <giesen> and depending on which one it the primary (providing the actual service)
[15-Aug-2006 20:03:50] <giesen> it has the third IP
[15-Aug-2006 20:03:55] <giesen> if that device fails
[15-Aug-2006 20:04:04] <giesen> then the other server becomes the primary
[15-Aug-2006 20:04:06] <giesen> and gets the IP
[15-Aug-2006 20:04:30] <kiddle> got it
[15-Aug-2006 20:04:35] <kiddle> it is an interesting problem
[15-Aug-2006 20:04:37] <giesen> so what we ended up doing was
[15-Aug-2006 20:04:54] <giesen> I setup an entry in the hosts file on the zenoss box
[15-Aug-2006 20:04:57] <giesen> for all three IPs
[15-Aug-2006 20:05:03] <giesen> and referenced the servers by name
[15-Aug-2006 20:05:30] <giesen> so let's say we have server1, server2, and server (the virtual server)
[15-Aug-2006 20:05:43] <giesen> so we added all three device
[15-Aug-2006 20:05:50] <giesen> and even though server1 had all the IPs
[15-Aug-2006 20:06:05] <giesen> I at least got an entry in for the virtual server
[15-Aug-2006 20:06:14] <giesen> and I can monitor the services running on it using nagios plugins
[15-Aug-2006 20:06:18] <giesen> with the IP hardcoded
[15-Aug-2006 20:07:32] <giesen> so the virtual server tells me
[15-Aug-2006 20:07:39] <giesen> regardless of one of the machines failing
[15-Aug-2006 20:07:47] <giesen> that at least SOMETHING is providing service.
[15-Aug-2006 20:08:11] <kiddle> that is an interesting scenario
[15-Aug-2006 20:08:54] <kiddle> a concept of server group.
[15-Aug-2006 20:10:38] <kiddle> what do u think of a VirtualServer that can have x number of IPs ... if one of the IPs are alive, then that server is alive. if all three fail, the device is down
[15-Aug-2006 20:11:05] <kiddle> btw, i'm sufficiently medicated atm - so don't take me seriously
[15-Aug-2006 20:14:28] <kiddle> that sounds like a common enough occurrence giesen.
[15-Aug-2006 20:19:43] <giesen> I think it sounds like a pretty good idea
[15-Aug-2006 20:35:23] <socialist> that would be really handy to have as a type of system
[15-Aug-2006 20:35:40] <socialist> "web server" with 5 IPs, etc.
[15-Aug-2006 20:36:29] <socialist> er no, as a device since you can't exactly monitor systems yet
[15-Aug-2006 20:49:48] <giesen> gah
[15-Aug-2006 20:49:53] <giesen> stupid boss bothering on the phone
[15-Aug-2006 20:49:57] <giesen> he likes to yammer on forever
[15-Aug-2006 20:50:31] <giesen> the best is when he gets lonely at 3am
[15-Aug-2006 20:50:35] <giesen> and decides to call me
[15-Aug-2006 21:12:02] <kiddle> heh
[15-Aug-2006 21:12:18] <kiddle> i love 3am calls from the boss.
[15-Aug-2006 21:12:36] <kiddle> i get to tell him, ...now i'll be late getting into work
[15-Aug-2006 21:14:47] <kiddle> ack. trying to delete devices from zenoss
[15-Aug-2006 21:30:25] <socialist> try deleting events
[15-Aug-2006 21:30:37] <socialist> btw, hello giesen
[15-Aug-2006 21:40:32] <socialist> oubiwann you around?
[15-Aug-2006 21:40:41] <socialist> Failure: xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -1: 'Unexpected Zope exception: exceptions.OverflowError - int exceeds XML-RPC limits'>
[15-Aug-2006 21:41:09] <socialist> zenperfsnmp won't run, stats are hosed :\
[15-Aug-2006 21:43:26] <kiddle> socialist, where's the interface for deleting events?
[15-Aug-2006 21:43:54] <socialist> kiddle: if you find it, let me know
[15-Aug-2006 21:44:07] <socialist> seriously, I don't think you can
[15-Aug-2006 21:44:35] <kiddle> i zapped all refereces to the device in the mysql events db
[15-Aug-2006 21:44:49] <socialist> that might work, I dunno
[15-Aug-2006 21:44:50] <kiddle> but the device name is somewhere (zodb?) else
[15-Aug-2006 21:44:55] <socialist> yes
[15-Aug-2006 21:44:56] <kiddle> and they just regenerate
[15-Aug-2006 21:45:19] <socialist> a device shouldn't regenerate if you delete it...
[15-Aug-2006 21:45:33] <socialist> I have to run, I'll be back in about 30 min
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[15-Aug-2006 22:37:30] <duffyd> hello, I just installed zenoss (latest stable release) from the tar.gz file on Ubuntu Dapper and it seems to run fine but can't seem to get it to monitor our Small Business Server 2003 via zenwin
[15-Aug-2006 22:38:35] <duffyd> I have installed the latest version of zenwin using the instructions in the INSTALL.txt and also python 2.4 and pywin32 (for python 2.4) but when I try to add the 'device' in zenoss it says it can't find snmp on the SBS server
[15-Aug-2006 22:39:33] <duffyd> I have installed Network Monitoring Tools (as per instructions) and the SNMP server (plus snmp trap agent) show up in services but if I do a netstat on the SBS server it doesn't show anything running on port 161
[15-Aug-2006 22:39:50] <duffyd> Does anyone know how to get this running on a Windows 2K or SBS 2k3 server?
[15-Aug-2006 22:40:07] <duffyd> should I just install the net-snmp opensource package for window?
[15-Aug-2006 22:47:22] <giesen> duffyd: check the snmp gettings
[15-Aug-2006 22:47:36] <giesen> and make sure you can get to it from an address other than 127.0.0.1
[15-Aug-2006 22:47:46] <giesen> a good way to check is to run the following command:
[15-Aug-2006 22:47:52] <duffyd> thanks giesen
[15-Aug-2006 22:47:52] <giesen> (from the zenoss machine)
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:00] <giesen> snmpwalk -v1 -c public <ip>
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:11] <duffyd> cool, so 'public' is the snmp community name?
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:14] <giesen> yeah
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:19] <giesen> assuming you havent changed it
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:20] <duffyd> ta
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:27] <giesen> if you have, update accordingly
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:30] <duffyd> no haven't - didn't want to messs with th defaults
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:44] <giesen> if you get a response from your zenoss machine
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:48] <giesen> at least you know snmp is workin
[15-Aug-2006 22:49:27] <duffyd> says snmpwalk: command not found
[15-Aug-2006 22:49:49] <duffyd> I'll just apt-get the snmp modules
[15-Aug-2006 22:49:52] * duffyd goes to do this
[15-Aug-2006 22:50:25] <giesen> yeah it's a pretty good tool to have on the zenoss machine
[15-Aug-2006 22:50:33] <giesen> for troubleshooting
[15-Aug-2006 22:50:54] <duffyd> k, ta just installing the net snmp tools and the snmp agents
[15-Aug-2006 22:51:04] <giesen> np
[15-Aug-2006 22:51:44] <duffyd> I'm going to put a blog entry on my blog (kokorice.org) about my findings with zenoss - love to promote zope (and any tools that run on it) some more
[15-Aug-2006 22:51:56] <duffyd> I'm actually a Plone developer by trade so typically blog about Plone
[15-Aug-2006 22:52:34] <giesen> hehe I'm trying to become a j2me developer
[15-Aug-2006 22:52:42] <giesen> but I'm failing spectactularly
[15-Aug-2006 22:53:04] <duffyd> ;-) btw I did get a whole lot of responses from the snmp server
[15-Aug-2006 22:53:09] <duffyd> so looks like it's working
[15-Aug-2006 22:53:33] <giesen> okay
[15-Aug-2006 22:53:51] <giesen> you specified the ip of the windows machine, correct?
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:04] <duffyd> sorry, no - the zenoss machine
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:07] <duffyd> I'll do the windows box now
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:25] <duffyd> no response :-(
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:30] <giesen> okay
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:35] <giesen> my guess is it's just an access control thing
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:50] <giesen> go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Services
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:56] <duffyd> but nothing running under port 161 is showing currently
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:59] <giesen> right-click on SNMP Service and click properties
[15-Aug-2006 22:55:00] <duffyd> in services now
[15-Aug-2006 22:55:05] <duffyd> I'm in props
[15-Aug-2006 22:55:22] <giesen> sec
[15-Aug-2006 22:55:47] <giesen> click on security
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:01] <giesen> and make sure "Accept SNMP Packets from these hosts" is selected
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:06] <giesen> and add the IP of your zenoss machine
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:10] <giesen> also
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:17] <giesen> make sure you dont have any firewall software blocking the port
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:23] <giesen> and make sure the service is started.
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:26] <giesen> and set to automatic.
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:41] <duffyd> ok, great ta
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:46] <duffyd> trying now
[15-Aug-2006 22:57:09] <giesen> I just bought a Nokia E61 on ebay
[15-Aug-2006 22:57:13] <giesen> I cant wait till it gets here
[15-Aug-2006 22:57:19] <duffyd> lol
[15-Aug-2006 22:58:06] <duffyd> still nothing
[15-Aug-2006 22:58:37] <giesen> are you able to ping the windows machine from the zenoss box?
[15-Aug-2006 22:58:45] <giesen> and did you verify the SNMP service is started/
[15-Aug-2006 22:59:05] <duffyd> yup and yup
[15-Aug-2006 22:59:17] <giesen> and you dont have any firewalls that might be blocking the traffic
[15-Aug-2006 22:59:28] <giesen> oh
[15-Aug-2006 22:59:36] <giesen> uncheck "Send authentication trap"
[15-Aug-2006 22:59:41] <duffyd> ah ok
[15-Aug-2006 22:59:45] <giesen> in the SNMP Properties > Security tab
[15-Aug-2006 23:00:21] <duffyd> man, still no response
[15-Aug-2006 23:00:31] <duffyd> afaik there is no firewall on the server
[15-Aug-2006 23:00:32] <duffyd> I'
[15-Aug-2006 23:00:35] <duffyd> I'll just confirm that
[15-Aug-2006 23:00:44] * duffyd goes to check if there's a firewall on SBS 2K3
[15-Aug-2006 23:02:00] <giesen> there's one included
[15-Aug-2006 23:02:07] <giesen> I dont know if it's enabled by default or not
[15-Aug-2006 23:02:24] <duffyd> k, what's it called do you know? I've got an Intrnet Authentication Service running
[15-Aug-2006 23:02:46] <giesen> right-click on your network connection
[15-Aug-2006 23:02:50] <giesen> click properties
[15-Aug-2006 23:03:01] <giesen> click the settings tab
[15-Aug-2006 23:03:03] <giesen> click advanced
[15-Aug-2006 23:03:09] <giesen> it's called Windows Firewall
[15-Aug-2006 23:03:27] <giesen> and I think it depends on the ICS Service
[15-Aug-2006 23:04:38] <duffyd> no doesn't appear to be running
[15-Aug-2006 23:04:56] <duffyd> should I be able to telnet to 161 on the localhost?
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:01] <duffyd> as in the SBS2K3 server?
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:03] <giesen> no
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:07] <duffyd> k
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:07] <giesen> it's a UDP port
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:08] <giesen> not TCP
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:10] <duffyd> ahhh
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:12] <giesen> so telnet wont work
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:23] <duffyd> thanks for the clarification
[15-Aug-2006 23:06:06] <giesen> although netstat -a should list it
[15-Aug-2006 23:06:08] <giesen> under UDP
[15-Aug-2006 23:06:20] <giesen> should be like
[15-Aug-2006 23:06:34] <giesen> UDP <hostname>:snmp *:*
[15-Aug-2006 23:07:21] <duffyd> yes it's listed
[15-Aug-2006 23:07:24] <duffyd> which is a good sign
[15-Aug-2006 23:07:52] * bulrog listens with interest
[15-Aug-2006 23:08:12] <duffyd> under the agent tab I've enabled everything under 'service'
[15-Aug-2006 23:08:26] <duffyd> logon is as 'local system account'
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:00] <giesen> what if you set your security
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:06] <giesen> so it accepts SNMP packets from any host
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:14] <duffyd> k
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:18] <giesen> also
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:26] <giesen> did you fill in the contact and location under the agent tab?
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:32] <duffyd> no
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:39] <giesen> try that
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:42] <duffyd> k
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:47] <giesen> and your changes arent actually applied until you click OK
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:49] <giesen> I believe
[15-Aug-2006 23:10:00] <duffyd> yup, I've been restarting the service also
[15-Aug-2006 23:10:06] <giesen> okay cool
[15-Aug-2006 23:10:46] <duffyd> still no response :-(
[15-Aug-2006 23:10:57] <giesen> it sounds like a firewall or network issue
[15-Aug-2006 23:11:07] <duffyd> I've only been making these changes on the SNMP Service, though
[15-Aug-2006 23:11:15] <giesen> yeah that's fine
[15-Aug-2006 23:11:19] <giesen> you dont have to touch the trap service
[15-Aug-2006 23:11:29] <duffyd> k
[15-Aug-2006 23:11:31] <giesen> you definitely have the community name right, correct?
[15-Aug-2006 23:11:45] <giesen> it's listed under Accepted community names
[15-Aug-2006 23:11:48] <giesen> on the Security tab
[15-Aug-2006 23:12:23] <duffyd> no, adding that now
[15-Aug-2006 23:12:41] <bulrog> sadly my windows box overheated
[15-Aug-2006 23:12:44] <duffyd> bingo!!!!!!!!!!
[15-Aug-2006 23:12:50] <giesen> =)
[15-Aug-2006 23:12:56] <duffyd> thanks - how much do I owe you ;-)
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:11] * giesen tallies the bill
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:17] <duffyd> stupid windows options!
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:23] <giesen> $879,898,024,202.32
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:27] <duffyd> and unfortunately the doco is sadly lacking in this area
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:32] <duffyd> I'll have to blog about it ;-)
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:37] <giesen> also
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:42] <giesen> make sure you install SNMP Informant
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:45] <duffyd> oh, just give me your swiss bank account and I'll direct debit it
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:52] <duffyd> k, why's that?
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:06] <giesen> it'll give you a lot more information about the machine
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:14] <duffyd> k, cool
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:21] <giesen> it's documented somewhere
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:25] <duffyd> k, cool
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:25] <giesen> just google snmp informant
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:29] <giesen> and install the free version
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:52] <bulrog> giesen, do u know how to zap devices from zodb?
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:57] <duffyd> btw should I set the accepted community names' rights to 'read create'
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:59] <duffyd> is that cool?
[15-Aug-2006 23:15:04] <duffyd> or s'pose it only needs read?
[15-Aug-2006 23:15:13] <giesen> only needs read
[15-Aug-2006 23:15:15] <giesen> at least for now
[15-Aug-2006 23:15:19] <duffyd> k, cool
[15-Aug-2006 23:15:28] <giesen> although if I have my way
[15-Aug-2006 23:15:35] <giesen> it'll need right <evil grin>
[15-Aug-2006 23:15:38] <giesen> *write
[15-Aug-2006 23:20:26] <duffyd> ;-)
[15-Aug-2006 23:26:21] <duffyd> just a quick question - I've install snmp-informant but there isn't anything to configure is that correct?
[15-Aug-2006 23:28:16] <giesen> nope
[15-Aug-2006 23:28:20] <duffyd> k, cool
[15-Aug-2006 23:28:24] <giesen> erm, yes that's correct
[15-Aug-2006 23:28:28] <giesen> nothing to configure
[15-Aug-2006 23:28:30] <duffyd> great cool
[15-Aug-2006 23:28:45] <duffyd> *I love zenoss* and I think the channel's topic is cool too :-D
[15-Aug-2006 23:28:56] <duffyd> it might put me out of a job ;-)
[15-Aug-2006 23:29:17] <giesen> I think it was better when it said Bill and his life launched their first kid
[15-Aug-2006 23:29:26] <giesen> s/life/wife/
[15-Aug-2006 23:29:43] <duffyd> lol - someone has got a sense of humour
[15-Aug-2006 23:30:33] <giesen> http://osdir.com/Article9166.phtml
[15-Aug-2006 23:30:33] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss, Inc. Lands $4.8 Million in Venture Funding to Expand Open Source IT Management Offerings :: OSDir.com :: Open Source, Linux News & Software (at osdir.com)
[15-Aug-2006 23:30:37] <giesen> erm that's the wrong one
[15-Aug-2006 23:32:17] <giesen> http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2006/08/news_zenoss_lan.html
[15-Aug-2006 23:32:17] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Sources | InfoWorld | News: Zenoss lands $4.8m for OSS IT Management | August 11, 2006 09:11 AM | By Dave Rosenberg (at weblog.infoworld.com)
[15-Aug-2006 23:32:17] <giesen> that's the one
[15-Aug-2006 23:32:23] <duffyd> k, ta
[15-Aug-2006 23:32:47] <giesen> "Not only did founder Bill Karpovich announce the funding of Zenoss, his wife launched their first human child today. Congrats Bill and team."
[15-Aug-2006 23:33:01] <duffyd> ahh, cool
[15-Aug-2006 23:33:51] <duffyd> thanks very much for your assistance
[15-Aug-2006 23:34:15] <giesen> np
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[16-Aug-2006 10:06:24] <bulrog> another day
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[16-Aug-2006 10:07:28] <asyd> Hello
[16-Aug-2006 10:07:29] <korozion> another dollar
[16-Aug-2006 10:07:53] <bulrog> hi asyd
[16-Aug-2006 10:08:07] <bulrog> korozion: with inflation ....
[16-Aug-2006 10:08:19] <asyd> I'm testing zenoss, I discover it yesterday by lurking rrdtool's rrdworld page
[16-Aug-2006 10:08:23] <asyd> zenoss seem very interesting
[16-Aug-2006 10:08:47] <korozion> heh
[16-Aug-2006 10:09:36] <bulrog> asyd: I'm testing zenoss myself. It looks very promising. How are you looking to use it?
[16-Aug-2006 10:11:07] <bulrog> Yesterday, I installed snmpd on 15 of my bsd servers and got so much info, including installed programs that now, I have to upgrade a few of them
[16-Aug-2006 10:11:21] <asyd> hehe
[16-Aug-2006 10:11:46] <asyd> well, I'm actually more network admin than system, so I'll use it for routers/switch and others networks devices
[16-Aug-2006 10:12:09] <korozion> I do both, and I forget things easily, so zenoss is a must for me
[16-Aug-2006 10:12:14] <asyd> have you tried to create an extra graph ?
[16-Aug-2006 10:12:32] <korozion> I'm actually going to write a Debian install doc
[16-Aug-2006 10:12:37] <asyd> nice
[16-Aug-2006 10:12:51] <korozion> perhaps modify the install script so that it uses Debian packages rather than source
[16-Aug-2006 10:12:54] * asyd using the vmware image for testing purposes
[16-Aug-2006 10:12:56] <bulrog> no, i haven't tried to work with any graphs yet. I'm trying to get the windows monitor working to my liking
[16-Aug-2006 10:13:50] <bulrog> I hope zenoss implements a more usable website... like plone's
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[16-Aug-2006 10:16:53] <bulrog> morning edahl
[16-Aug-2006 10:16:59] <asyd> hmm I have no idea how to add a new graph
[16-Aug-2006 10:17:00] <edahl> hey
[16-Aug-2006 10:17:58] <asyd> I saw somewhere than there are helpers to create crickets graphs, but I can't find it
[16-Aug-2006 10:18:20] <creiht> edahl: Congrats on the new funding!
[16-Aug-2006 10:18:36] <edahl> thanks we are very happy
[16-Aug-2006 10:18:50] <asyd> you're a zenoss developer edahl ?
[16-Aug-2006 10:19:01] <edahl> y
[16-Aug-2006 10:19:37] <asyd> well, congrats
[16-Aug-2006 10:19:54] <asyd> hm, I'm afraid running zendoc was not a good idea
[16-Aug-2006 10:22:00] <asyd> are there some docs except the faq ?
[16-Aug-2006 10:22:11] <asyd> (and /trac)
[16-Aug-2006 10:25:54] <asyd> hm forget that
[16-Aug-2006 10:26:28] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/trunk/inst/docs/ZenossAdminGuide.pdf?format=raw
[16-Aug-2006 10:26:28] <edahl> admin doc
[16-Aug-2006 10:27:44] <asyd> hope there is a section about making new graphs
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[16-Aug-2006 10:53:24] <asyd> hmm ok, found how to create my own graphs
[16-Aug-2006 10:54:11] <asyd> question about snmptrap, why there is no daemon listenning to port 162 in vmware image ?
[16-Aug-2006 10:56:42] <edahl> is zentrap running?
[16-Aug-2006 10:56:45] <edahl> zentrap status
[16-Aug-2006 10:56:56] <asyd> nop
[16-Aug-2006 10:57:18] <asyd> just need to zentrap start ?
[16-Aug-2006 10:57:35] <asyd> hmm
[16-Aug-2006 10:57:37] <asyd> zenoss@zenoss ~]$ zentrap start
[16-Aug-2006 10:57:38] <asyd> starting...
[16-Aug-2006 10:57:38] <asyd> WARN: config file /usr/local/zenoss/etc/zentrap.conf not found skipping
[16-Aug-2006 10:57:59] <asyd> but it's now running anyway
[16-Aug-2006 10:59:23] <edahl> warning should be an issue
[16-Aug-2006 10:59:33] <edahl> touch $ZENHOME/etc/zentrap.conf
[16-Aug-2006 10:59:36] <edahl> should fix
[16-Aug-2006 10:59:56] <asyd> ok
[16-Aug-2006 11:00:04] <asyd> time to try to send a trap sample
[16-Aug-2006 11:01:54] <asyd> hmm, do you have an example of zentrap.conf ? the one in svn is empty, I'm wondering which community zentrap accept
[16-Aug-2006 11:04:30] <ecn> zentrap accepts all community strings
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[16-Aug-2006 11:05:13] <asyd> ok
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[16-Aug-2006 11:15:23] <asyd> [root@zenoss mail]# pwd
[16-Aug-2006 11:15:23] <asyd> /etc/mail
[16-Aug-2006 11:15:23] <asyd> [root@zenoss mail]# make
[16-Aug-2006 11:15:23] <asyd> WARNING: 'sendmail.mc' is modified. Please install package sendmail-cf to update your configuration.
[16-Aug-2006 11:15:26] <asyd> :/
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[16-Aug-2006 12:31:57] <creiht> oubiwann: How does adytum-bot choose which headlines to display? (As there are are many news items each day)
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[16-Aug-2006 12:47:03] <edahl> creiht: oubiwann is on vacation today
[16-Aug-2006 12:47:09] <edahl> not sure how this works though
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[16-Aug-2006 14:09:00] <socialist> did anyone ever have a chance to look at this problem with zenperfsnmp?
[16-Aug-2006 14:09:03] <socialist> Failure: xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -1: 'Unexpected Zope exception: exceptions.OverflowError - int exceeds XML-RPC limits'>
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[16-Aug-2006 14:18:05] <bulrog> Where is the snmptrap port specified?/
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[16-Aug-2006 14:33:12] <socialist> do you guys want any bugreports if I'm running the latest SVN, or would you rather only report for releases?
[16-Aug-2006 14:33:22] <socialist> have reports*
[16-Aug-2006 14:40:28] <socialist> FYI in case anyone is interested, I've got my zenoss running using LDAPUserFolder
[16-Aug-2006 14:41:58] <creiht> socialist: That is cool... Perhaps you should add a page to the wiki?
[16-Aug-2006 14:42:17] <socialist> I might do that
[16-Aug-2006 14:42:39] <socialist> my setup was far more involved getting LUF to work with my posix-style directory
[16-Aug-2006 14:42:58] <socialist> which doesn't really have anything to do with zenoss
[16-Aug-2006 14:44:29] <socialist> simply replacing the default acl_users was super easy
[16-Aug-2006 14:53:13] <bulrog> socialist. that is awesome
[16-Aug-2006 14:53:46] <socialist> it's certainly handy
[16-Aug-2006 14:54:01] <socialist> this way all my unix users are mapped to being ZenUsers
[16-Aug-2006 14:54:10] <socialist> and all us admins are Managers
[16-Aug-2006 14:54:14] <bulrog> yea
[16-Aug-2006 14:54:16] <bulrog> PAS is great
[16-Aug-2006 14:54:43] <bulrog> it's on my list of to-check, but i'm glad someone else succeeded as well
[16-Aug-2006 14:55:12] <socialist> the only real problem at all was me using posixGroups
[16-Aug-2006 14:55:14] <bulrog> i have to satisfy windows auth as well as unix boys
[16-Aug-2006 14:55:26] <socialist> this would work fine with ADS
[16-Aug-2006 14:56:11] <socialist> my next trick is to try and get straight kerberos auth working somehow
[16-Aug-2006 14:56:26] <socialist> but I don't know if zope does that at all, I might have to write it
[16-Aug-2006 14:56:50] <bulrog> search through http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-pas
[16-Aug-2006 14:56:51] <adytum-bot> Title: Zope-PAS Info Page (at mail.zope.org)
[16-Aug-2006 14:57:03] <bulrog> i remember it being a discussion in plone, so i assume its zopeable
[16-Aug-2006 14:57:21] <socialist> is 2.8.8 new enough to use PAS?
[16-Aug-2006 14:57:31] <socialist> I didn't even bother to look
[16-Aug-2006 14:59:34] <bulrog> I can't say, but worth a check
[16-Aug-2006 15:00:30] <socialist> ooh you're in nyc?
[16-Aug-2006 15:01:04] <socialist> I miss it
[16-Aug-2006 15:01:21] <bulrog> ya
[16-Aug-2006 15:01:45] <bulrog> you?
[16-Aug-2006 15:01:53] <socialist> portland, oregon now
[16-Aug-2006 15:02:12] <bulrog> quite a difference ?
[16-Aug-2006 15:02:16] <socialist> oh yes
[16-Aug-2006 15:02:31] <bulrog> my buddy just took his whole family to a commune in HI
[16-Aug-2006 15:02:40] <socialist> whoa
[16-Aug-2006 15:03:02] <socialist> I think I mostly miss the east coast in general
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[16-Aug-2006 15:03:15] <socialist> pizza here sucks
[16-Aug-2006 15:03:18] <bulrog> hahahaha
[16-Aug-2006 15:03:57] <bulrog> family?
[16-Aug-2006 15:04:07] <socialist> my wife and I
[16-Aug-2006 15:04:15] * bulrog is a cooking maniac
[16-Aug-2006 15:04:20] <socialist> me too
[16-Aug-2006 15:04:34] <socialist> oregon is incredible for food
[16-Aug-2006 15:04:49] <socialist> 365-day growing season, 80% of the produce around here is grown locally
[16-Aug-2006 15:04:50] <bulrog> really? fresh product?
[16-Aug-2006 15:04:59] <bulrog> nice!
[16-Aug-2006 15:05:31] <bulrog> i hit the farmer's market but i think i'll join the food-coop in bklyn
[16-Aug-2006 15:05:50] <socialist> I had some friends that did that
[16-Aug-2006 15:05:58] <socialist> I never went, but they seemed to like it
[16-Aug-2006 15:13:48] <creiht> edahl_: You here? I just ran into a couple of problems
[16-Aug-2006 15:25:26] <creiht> edahl_: A couple of times now we have hit a bug with Dell Perc 3 cards and EXT3 filesystems where we basically loose the filesystem, and the computer goes into a weird state
[16-Aug-2006 15:25:52] <creiht> Ports stay open, but never finish a request
[16-Aug-2006 15:26:03] <creiht> And Zenoss never alerts us to a problem
[16-Aug-2006 15:27:51] <creiht> Another problem I had is that I created a threshold for IfInUcastPackets on the main interface to be a minimum of 10
[16-Aug-2006 15:28:32] <creiht> When a server went below 10, it never generated an alert
[16-Aug-2006 15:28:54] <socialist> if you can reproduce the bug, submit a ticket
[16-Aug-2006 15:29:08] <socialist> it's been kinda quiet here this week so tickets may reach them better
[16-Aug-2006 15:29:40] <creiht> Yeah,... I just thought I would try pinging edahl first
[16-Aug-2006 15:58:16] * giesen writes up another ticket
[16-Aug-2006 16:02:52] <giesen> bye
[16-Aug-2006 16:02:55] <giesen> rtm, bte
[16-Aug-2006 16:02:57] <giesen> gah
[16-Aug-2006 16:03:00] <giesen> BTW
[16-Aug-2006 16:03:12] <giesen> who said obiwaun could have a vacation
[16-Aug-2006 16:03:29] <giesen> *oubiwann
[16-Aug-2006 16:04:26] <giesen> socialist: the LDAP stuff sounds sexy
[16-Aug-2006 16:04:31] <giesen> please write a wiki page =)
[16-Aug-2006 16:04:47] <giesen> I'm planning to move all my *nix boxen to LDAP
[16-Aug-2006 16:04:52] <giesen> and I'd love to have zenoss on LDAP as well
[16-Aug-2006 16:19:12] <bulrog> giesen
[16-Aug-2006 16:37:25] <giesen> hey
[16-Aug-2006 16:37:33] * giesen just submitted yet another ticket
[16-Aug-2006 16:37:36] * giesen is the YAT man
[16-Aug-2006 16:40:02] * giesen hums the original batman theme song
[16-Aug-2006 16:50:52] <creiht> edahl!
[16-Aug-2006 16:50:58] <edahl> creiht: i'm back
[16-Aug-2006 16:51:03] <creiht>
[16-Aug-2006 16:51:15] <creiht> So I had a couple of weird problems today
[16-Aug-2006 16:51:20] <edahl> k
[16-Aug-2006 16:51:25] <edahl> just reading the history
[16-Aug-2006 16:51:29] <creiht> cool
[16-Aug-2006 16:51:37] <creiht> The main ones are up there
[16-Aug-2006 16:51:55] <edahl> tcp port test is not enough to catch the problem correct?
[16-Aug-2006 16:52:01] <edahl> need full http request
[16-Aug-2006 16:52:09] <creiht> Well that would probably do it
[16-Aug-2006 16:52:14] <creiht> But the really weird thing
[16-Aug-2006 16:52:21] <creiht> is that it didn't even report snmp being down
[16-Aug-2006 16:52:34] <creiht> I had no graph data showing up
[16-Aug-2006 16:52:51] <edahl> hum that sounds like a bug
[16-Aug-2006 16:55:37] <edahl> and you had an issue with thresholds not clearing?
[16-Aug-2006 16:55:54] <edahl> sorry min threshold
[16-Aug-2006 16:56:00] <edahl> didn't work?
[16-Aug-2006 16:57:14] <creiht> Yes when that happened
[16-Aug-2006 16:57:27] <creiht> Our other server had overloaded, and basically apache stopped serving requests
[16-Aug-2006 16:57:44] <creiht> I had set a minimum threshold on the packets
[16-Aug-2006 16:57:44] * socialist pounces on edahl
[16-Aug-2006 16:58:03] <creiht> for that server so we would know if a situation like that ever happened
[16-Aug-2006 16:58:20] <creiht> I had set the minimum to 10, and when I looked at it, it was at 5
[16-Aug-2006 16:58:34] <creiht> No events were generated
[16-Aug-2006 16:59:33] <edahl> got it
[16-Aug-2006 17:05:32] <giesen> edahl: two more feature enhancement tickets for ya =)
[16-Aug-2006 17:07:38] <edahl> got them
[16-Aug-2006 17:08:10] <giesen> my goal is to eventually bury you in them
[16-Aug-2006 17:08:16] <giesen> so you'll never see the light of day again.
[16-Aug-2006 17:08:27] <giesen> =)
[16-Aug-2006 17:08:30] <edahl>
[16-Aug-2006 17:08:44] <giesen> that one actually came from a customer today
[16-Aug-2006 17:08:49] <giesen> that I showed zenoss to
[16-Aug-2006 17:08:54] <edahl> the list of tickets is getting quite large
[16-Aug-2006 17:09:01] <giesen> hehe just just spent a bunch of money on IP check
[16-Aug-2006 17:09:06] <giesen> like a week ago
[16-Aug-2006 17:09:09] <giesen> and I showed him zenoss
[16-Aug-2006 17:09:18] <giesen> and he's like "fuck, can you install it for me?"
[16-Aug-2006 17:09:23] <edahl> cool!
[16-Aug-2006 17:09:45] <giesen> which is good for me, cause I can bill him for the install
[16-Aug-2006 17:10:05] <edahl> great
[16-Aug-2006 17:10:45] <edahl> partitioning and relative thresholds are good features
[16-Aug-2006 17:11:01] <edahl> partitioning might be hard though
[16-Aug-2006 17:11:34] <edahl> going to put it in zenoss-3000 (new release for things we want to track but don't know when they will be released)
[16-Aug-2006 17:12:33] <giesen> yeah I know some of the stuff I suggested will be tough
[16-Aug-2006 17:12:40] <giesen> and probably require some major rewriting
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:03] <edahl> I like the text to speech one that would be cool
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:08] <giesen> yeah
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:12] <giesen> I actually figured out something
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:17] <creiht> wonders how many of his suggestions are in zenoss-3000
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:22] <giesen> as long as I have an interface to write asterisk AGIs to
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:22] <edahl>
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:46] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=zenoss-3000
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:46] <giesen> I can have asterisk+festival do the text to speech
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:46] <adytum-bot> Title: Custom Query - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:46] <edahl> only 8 so far
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:58] <giesen> so I guess I gotta figure out how the hell to use XMLRPC
[16-Aug-2006 17:16:36] <edahl> chuck min threshold ticket is #269
[16-Aug-2006 17:16:59] <creiht> edahl: Cool thanks
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[16-Aug-2006 17:33:09] <giesen> haha he says there's 8 only tickets for zenoss-8000
[16-Aug-2006 17:33:12] <giesen> and 6 of them are mine =p
[16-Aug-2006 17:33:21] <edahl>
[16-Aug-2006 17:34:37] <edahl> there are more to come I just haven't got to moving them yet...
[16-Aug-2006 17:35:23] <giesen> yeah I know
[16-Aug-2006 17:35:26] <giesen> I'm just poking fun
[16-Aug-2006 17:38:49] <socialist> hey edahl: Failure: xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -1: 'Unexpected Zope exception: exceptions.OverflowError - int exceeds XML-RPC limits'>
[16-Aug-2006 17:39:03] <socialist> I'm running svn, so I didn't want to submit a ticket yet
[16-Aug-2006 17:40:42] <giesen> oh
[16-Aug-2006 17:40:54] <giesen> and I can test for ticket #254
[16-Aug-2006 17:40:59] <giesen> since I have two /16
[16-Aug-2006 17:41:12] <giesen> and I have *never* had it show a device in /Discovered
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[16-Aug-2006 17:49:30] <leku> ahh
[16-Aug-2006 17:49:43] <leku> hello
[16-Aug-2006 17:50:08] <leku> hold me
[16-Aug-2006 17:50:14] <leku> i need something to replace cacti
[16-Aug-2006 17:57:34] <edahl> socialist: what is giving that error? zenperfsnmp?
[16-Aug-2006 17:57:39] <socialist> edah: yah
[16-Aug-2006 17:57:50] <socialist> leku: funny, that's why I cam here too
[16-Aug-2006 17:58:11] <edahl> hum
[16-Aug-2006 17:58:25] <socialist> I'm trying to run it through a debugger
[16-Aug-2006 17:58:33] <edahl> is it during startup?
[16-Aug-2006 17:58:38] <socialist> shortly after
[16-Aug-2006 17:58:41] <edahl> when its loading config?
[16-Aug-2006 17:58:42] <socialist> ~ 3 sec
[16-Aug-2006 17:59:12] <edahl> maybe you have a really big threshold value? > 4 trillion
[16-Aug-2006 17:59:17] <socialist> nooo
[16-Aug-2006 17:59:24] <edahl> hum
[16-Aug-2006 18:00:08] <leku> seriously
[16-Aug-2006 18:00:11] <leku> cacti fucking blows
[16-Aug-2006 18:00:12] <socialist> you aren't using eric3 by any change are you?
[16-Aug-2006 18:00:57] <edahl> no just vim
[16-Aug-2006 18:02:53] <socialist> in zpf.main()
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[16-Aug-2006 18:06:11] <socialist> wait a minute, my python shouldn't be heading out to the system libs should it?
[16-Aug-2006 18:06:44] <edahl> not sure just looking at the code
[16-Aug-2006 18:08:08] * edahl put at break after 206 in zenperfsnmp.py
[16-Aug-2006 18:08:14] <edahl> see if you get a device list back
[16-Aug-2006 18:12:44] <socialist> heh no, mine dies
[16-Aug-2006 18:12:55] <socialist> wait no it doesn't
[16-Aug-2006 18:12:59] <socialist> I'm dumb, hold on
[16-Aug-2006 18:15:13] <socialist> no I'm not getting a list
[16-Aug-2006 18:15:28] <edahl> ok that's what I expected
[16-Aug-2006 18:15:34] <socialist> faults immediately after
[16-Aug-2006 18:19:45] <socialist> I see the xmlrpc call in Z2.log, but no errors anywhere
[16-Aug-2006 18:20:13] <edahl> problem is encoding the response
[16-Aug-2006 18:20:18] <edahl> run zendmd
[16-Aug-2006 18:20:28] <edahl> within it run
[16-Aug-2006 18:20:34] <edahl> dmd.Monitors.Performance.localhost.getDevices()
[16-Aug-2006 18:20:47] <edahl> and see if you see a big integer somewhere
[16-Aug-2006 18:21:32] <socialist> doh need my prettyprint
[16-Aug-2006 18:22:07] <edahl> yes
[16-Aug-2006 18:25:01] <socialist> any idea which area of a device might have a number this big?
[16-Aug-2006 18:25:12] <socialist> that's a lot of text...
[16-Aug-2006 18:25:51] <edahl> hum not sure in a threshold maybe?
[16-Aug-2006 18:26:15] <socialist> I'm going to check my threshholds in the dmd
[16-Aug-2006 18:26:22] <socialist> i've only changed maybe 2...
[16-Aug-2006 18:28:15] <edahl> very strange
[16-Aug-2006 18:32:38] <socialist> hey I do have a system with a ~3TB array...
[16-Aug-2006 18:33:16] <edahl> hum that might be it
[16-Aug-2006 18:33:36] <edahl> max signed int
[16-Aug-2006 18:33:52] <edahl> thats definitely it
[16-Aug-2006 18:34:47] <edahl> can you do the following
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:14] <edahl> in zendmd
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:24] <edahl> d=find('yourdevname')
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:32] <edahl> d.getSnmpOidTargets()
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:35] <edahl> might pprint it
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:45] <socialist> for the device with the big array?
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:52] <edahl> see what the threshold on th
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:54] <edahl> is
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:55] <edahl> yes
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[16-Aug-2006 18:37:16] <Shazburg> So I'm kinda bummed.
[16-Aug-2006 18:38:38] <Shazburg> I had this nice working zenoss install (bar an annoying heartbeat error), then I updated from trunk and now it would seem that snmp polling is broken.
[16-Aug-2006 18:38:49] <Shazburg> This makes me sad. The tears...they are many.
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[16-Aug-2006 18:41:58] <Shazburg> Any ideas?
[16-Aug-2006 18:42:00] <Shazburg> http://pastebin.adytum.us/81
[16-Aug-2006 18:42:00] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[16-Aug-2006 18:42:57] <socialist> Shazburg: we might be working on that now
[16-Aug-2006 18:43:05] <socialist> and by "we" I mean "edahl"
[16-Aug-2006 18:43:23] <socialist> check your zenperfsnmp.log
[16-Aug-2006 18:43:30] <Shazburg> Really? Oh that would be so nice.
[16-Aug-2006 18:43:35] <Shazburg> What am I looking for?
[16-Aug-2006 18:43:57] <socialist> maybe an error about xml-rpc?
[16-Aug-2006 18:44:47] <socialist> (you may not see anything, my problem may be specific only to my setup, I'm just curious)
[16-Aug-2006 18:50:04] <Shazburg> I have an xml-rpc error from right after my initial install.
[16-Aug-2006 18:50:38] <Shazburg> The device I just added doesn't even show up in zenperfsnmp.log
[16-Aug-2006 18:50:51] <socialist> which error?
[16-Aug-2006 18:51:55] <Shazburg> %_safari
[16-Aug-2006 18:51:58] <Shazburg> Err.
[16-Aug-2006 18:52:06] <Shazburg> No scripts on this chat app.
[16-Aug-2006 18:52:17] <Shazburg> http://pastebin.adytum.us/82
[16-Aug-2006 18:52:17] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[16-Aug-2006 18:52:56] <socialist> not the same :\
[16-Aug-2006 18:53:09] <Shazburg> Yeah, and it was just the once right after install.
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[16-Aug-2006 19:40:32] <giesen> leku: zenoss isnt really a replacement for cacti
[16-Aug-2006 19:40:39] <giesen> cacti is more for bandwidth monitoring
[16-Aug-2006 19:40:45] <giesen> zenoss is for device monitoring
[16-Aug-2006 19:40:53] <giesen> they share some of the same functionality
[16-Aug-2006 19:41:01] <giesen> but they're not really competing products
[16-Aug-2006 19:41:19] <Shazburg> I must have missed the beginning of this conversation.
[16-Aug-2006 19:41:47] <giesen> hehe we use cacti for our bandwidth monitoring
[16-Aug-2006 19:42:01] <giesen> we had to intentionally break RRD so we'd keep our samples for a full year
[16-Aug-2006 19:42:06] <giesen> rather than having them dropped
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[16-Aug-2006 20:47:47] <socialist> ugh why are zope exports so stunningly slow
[16-Aug-2006 21:06:58] <giesen> god
[16-Aug-2006 21:07:06] <giesen> you know people really have too much time on their hands
[16-Aug-2006 21:07:16] <giesen> when there's an RFC/MIB for coffee makers
[16-Aug-2006 21:07:20] <socialist> oh I thought you mean god makes zope exports slow
[16-Aug-2006 21:07:24] <socialist> HAHAH
[16-Aug-2006 21:07:33] <socialist> I love that RFC
[16-Aug-2006 21:08:09] <socialist> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
[16-Aug-2006 21:08:09] <adytum-bot> Title: RFC 1149 (rfc1149) - Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avia (at www.faqs.org)
[16-Aug-2006 21:08:09] <socialist> you need to read that if you have not
[16-Aug-2006 21:11:31] <giesen> nice
[16-Aug-2006 22:22:39] <bulrog> hey giesen, how's your xmlrpc coming along?
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[17-Aug-2006 03:33:35] <asyd> \_o<
[17-Aug-2006 06:07:52] <asyd> anyone awake ?
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[17-Aug-2006 10:58:11] <leku> good morning
[17-Aug-2006 10:59:01] <leku> the zenoss homepage says simplifying systems management
[17-Aug-2006 10:59:08] <leku> zenoss can be used to graph routers too right?
[17-Aug-2006 10:59:43] <creiht> leku: That is what I have heard
[17-Aug-2006 10:59:50] <leku> nm i see the screenshots
[17-Aug-2006 11:00:04] <leku> I am looking for a cacti replacement
[17-Aug-2006 11:00:22] <creiht> leku: I'm currently using it to monitor systems, but have seen many here monitoring network devices
[17-Aug-2006 11:00:36] <leku> cool
[17-Aug-2006 11:00:41] <leku> what is up with this vmware virtual appliance?
[17-Aug-2006 11:00:48] <leku> maybe this might be a good way for me to test it out
[17-Aug-2006 11:00:51] <creiht> leku: A simple way to try it out
[17-Aug-2006 11:00:55] <creiht> yeah
[17-Aug-2006 11:01:13] <leku> I haven't used vmware in > 5 years, what do I need to get started?
[17-Aug-2006 11:02:17] <leku> nm
[17-Aug-2006 11:04:47] <fishstickz> VMWare server is free now, it's very easy to set up
[17-Aug-2006 11:05:22] <leku> the server?
[17-Aug-2006 11:05:26] <leku> i'm downloading the player I guess
[17-Aug-2006 11:06:17] <fishstickz> Eh, either works
[17-Aug-2006 11:06:47] <leku> what is the difference?
[17-Aug-2006 11:08:08] <creiht> I think the major difference is that the player just uses pre-made images
[17-Aug-2006 11:08:19] <fishstickz> You cant create new images in server
[17-Aug-2006 11:08:21] <creiht> Server allows you to create your own virtual machines
[17-Aug-2006 11:08:26] <leku> ahh cool
[17-Aug-2006 11:08:29] <leku> i'll have to play with that later
[17-Aug-2006 11:08:52] <leku> cant wait tos ee thsi stuff run
[17-Aug-2006 11:11:56] <leku> who are the developers here on the zenoss project?
[17-Aug-2006 11:12:00] <leku> any of you?
[17-Aug-2006 11:12:31] <creiht> leku: The ones that I know of are edahl, ecn, and oubiwann
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[17-Aug-2006 11:13:15] <fishstickz> Edahl, ecn and oubiwann are the devs, Im just an intern here for the summer
[17-Aug-2006 11:13:39] <leku> what is your job then fish?
[17-Aug-2006 11:13:55] <fishstickz> Alot of admininstrative stuff for them
[17-Aug-2006 11:14:09] <fishstickz> But I also set up the VMware images, set up our servers, etc
[17-Aug-2006 11:14:14] <leku> cool
[17-Aug-2006 11:14:25] <leku> wish i knew python
[17-Aug-2006 11:14:38] <creiht> leku: It's pretty easy to pick up
[17-Aug-2006 11:14:46] <leku> i know perl, php, and a few others
[17-Aug-2006 11:14:50] <leku> tcl, java, c
[17-Aug-2006 11:15:15] <leku> my boss might kill me if i start coding in python though
[17-Aug-2006 11:15:26] <creiht> laugh
[17-Aug-2006 11:15:55] <leku> how does zenoss compare to nagios?
[17-Aug-2006 11:16:37] <creiht> leku: Well if you want to give Python a try I recommend checking out http://diveintopython.org/
[17-Aug-2006 11:16:37] <adytum-bot> Title: Dive Into Python (at diveintopython.org)
[17-Aug-2006 11:16:43] <creiht> leku: I haven't personally used nagios, but I hear it is better
[17-Aug-2006 11:16:48] <leku> thanks, if i have a need I will
[17-Aug-2006 11:17:06] <leku> i don't get involved in projects unless I have to
[17-Aug-2006 11:17:25] <leku> same with learning new programming languages
[17-Aug-2006 11:17:43] <leku> what does zenoss do with syslog?
[17-Aug-2006 11:18:24] <creiht> It can listen on the syslog port, and will log events for any syslog messages sent to it
[17-Aug-2006 11:18:25] <fishstickz> Leku: In my completely unbiased opinion, zenoss is much better
[17-Aug-2006 11:18:28] <fishstickz> >.>
[17-Aug-2006 11:18:42] <leku> so it is a syslog-ng replacement?
[17-Aug-2006 11:18:56] <creiht> hmmm
[17-Aug-2006 11:18:59] <leku> does it do any event correlation?
[17-Aug-2006 11:19:14] <creiht> I actually haven't used that part yet
[17-Aug-2006 11:19:25] <leku> k
[17-Aug-2006 11:19:37] <creiht> This might be usefull though
[17-Aug-2006 11:19:59] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToSetupSyslog
[17-Aug-2006 11:19:59] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToSetupSyslog - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[17-Aug-2006 11:19:59] <leku> ya i just read that
[17-Aug-2006 11:19:59] <leku> thx tho
[17-Aug-2006 11:20:37] <fishstickz> It's a bot
[17-Aug-2006 11:20:45] <leku>
[17-Aug-2006 11:21:06] <leku> brb
[17-Aug-2006 12:10:15] <leku> what does "Local Copy' do in perfconf?
[17-Aug-2006 12:11:56] <asyd> it make config editable
[17-Aug-2006 12:11:59] <asyd> (add graphique, etc)
[17-Aug-2006 12:12:03] <asyd> oups, graphics
[17-Aug-2006 12:12:35] <leku> how do I set up diff oids to poll for and graph?
[17-Aug-2006 12:15:45] <asyd> not sure to understand
[17-Aug-2006 12:16:09] <leku> i want mrtg like graphs
[17-Aug-2006 12:16:15] <leku> i want to graph bits or bytes on a particular interface
[17-Aug-2006 12:16:16] <asyd> you query for an OID to store value in a data source
[17-Aug-2006 12:16:23] <asyd> and you graph the data source
[17-Aug-2006 12:16:34] <leku> heh
[17-Aug-2006 12:16:36] <leku> nm
[17-Aug-2006 12:16:43] <asyd> with optionals operations (bytes to bits, 95%th, etc)
[17-Aug-2006 12:20:59] <leku> blah
[17-Aug-2006 12:21:02] <leku> i dont see anything being graphed
[17-Aug-2006 12:21:05] <leku> not even the uptime default
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[17-Aug-2006 12:27:25] <creiht> leku: It usually takes a bit for the graphs to show up (It needs to collect some data first)
[17-Aug-2006 12:27:34] <leku> do i need to have a cron job to run a poller or osmething?
[17-Aug-2006 12:27:51] <creiht> Plus by default it reloads the configs every 20 minutes
[17-Aug-2006 12:27:52] <leku> and do i need to load some mib so i can graph interface statistics on a router?
[17-Aug-2006 12:28:03] <asyd> no
[17-Aug-2006 12:28:09] <creiht> leku: By default it already has some templates set up
[17-Aug-2006 12:28:18] <asyd> except if your router doesn't understand IF-MIB
[17-Aug-2006 12:28:58] <creiht> leku: Also check that zenperfsnmp is running
[17-Aug-2006 12:29:19] <creiht> It doesn't start up on a fresh install if there are no devices yet
[17-Aug-2006 12:29:31] <leku> i added 1 cisco router
[17-Aug-2006 12:29:38] <creiht> You can do that by going to $ZENHOME/bin
[17-Aug-2006 12:29:42] <creiht> and running
[17-Aug-2006 12:29:47] <creiht> zenperfsnmp status
[17-Aug-2006 12:29:52] <leku> its runni
[17-Aug-2006 12:29:59] <creiht> ok good
[17-Aug-2006 12:30:10] <creiht> leku: And you have added devices correct?
[17-Aug-2006 12:30:14] <leku> yep
[17-Aug-2006 12:30:29] <leku> and unfortunately it hink it is trying to discover more in my /16 ;9
[17-Aug-2006 12:30:32] <creiht> If you go to one of the devices, and you click on the Perf tab, what do you see?
[17-Aug-2006 12:30:35] <leku> nada
[17-Aug-2006 12:31:37] <leku> where are these templates/
[17-Aug-2006 12:31:42] <leku> becuase it looks like all i got is sysuptime
[17-Aug-2006 12:32:16] <creiht> Where is the device in the device heirarchy?
[17-Aug-2006 12:32:32] <leku> dunno but i think i needed to add an rrd graph
[17-Aug-2006 12:32:35] <leku> which i didn't do yet
[17-Aug-2006 12:32:41] <leku> it sin the network class
[17-Aug-2006 12:32:43] <creiht> You shouldn't have to do that
[17-Aug-2006 12:33:00] <creiht> when you are looking at the device, it should show you the path at the top
[17-Aug-2006 12:33:01] <creiht> for example
[17-Aug-2006 12:33:07] <creiht> with my servers I see something like
[17-Aug-2006 12:33:20] <Shazburg> leku: I missed the beginning. Did you install from svn?
[17-Aug-2006 12:33:21] <leku> /devices/network/router/hostname
[17-Aug-2006 12:33:26] <leku> i am running the vm image
[17-Aug-2006 12:34:14] <creiht> leku: Try this
[17-Aug-2006 12:34:22] <creiht> Click on the Manage tab
[17-Aug-2006 12:34:27] <creiht> from one of your devices
[17-Aug-2006 12:34:55] <creiht> and click the Collect Configuration button
[17-Aug-2006 12:35:13] <creiht> And see what it shows up
[17-Aug-2006 12:35:13] <leku> k
[17-Aug-2006 12:35:29] <creiht> It should show everything that it knows how to collect data from
[17-Aug-2006 12:35:52] <creiht> The other thing to make sure of is that the routers have snmp open for the box that you are polling from
[17-Aug-2006 12:36:17] <creiht> And that your community string is set correctly (If it isn't using public by default)
[17-Aug-2006 12:37:58] <leku> shit my ctrl key just broke
[17-Aug-2006 12:38:12] <leku> wtf
[17-Aug-2006 12:41:20] <Shazburg> Bummer of a birthmark, Al.
[17-Aug-2006 12:42:48] <leku> how come I only have one template for rrd?
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[17-Aug-2006 12:43:51] <leku> nm i see them now
[17-Aug-2006 12:43:55] <leku> this interface is really counterintuitive..
[17-Aug-2006 12:44:40] <creiht> leku: It is at least fairly consistent, once you learn where everything is
[17-Aug-2006 12:44:45] <Shazburg> It looks better when your ctrl key works.
[17-Aug-2006 12:44:57] <leku> its working now
[17-Aug-2006 12:45:04] <creiht> good
[17-Aug-2006 12:46:22] <creiht> leku: If you have suggestion on how it can be better, the devs are very receptive to suggestions
[17-Aug-2006 12:47:09] <leku> yeah
[17-Aug-2006 12:47:12] <leku> i don't know if i can use this or not
[17-Aug-2006 12:47:16] <leku> blah
[17-Aug-2006 12:47:35] <leku> not like you guys should care
[17-Aug-2006 12:47:40] <creiht> ???
[17-Aug-2006 12:47:47] <creiht> What do you need it to do?
[17-Aug-2006 12:47:50] <Shazburg> What is it you wanted to do?
[17-Aug-2006 12:48:14] <leku> replace cacti
[17-Aug-2006 12:48:22] <Shazburg> Ah.
[17-Aug-2006 12:48:28] <leku> i just want something that has an easy to use interface to graph interface statistics on network elements
[17-Aug-2006 12:48:50] <leku> this may not be the way to go for me though
[17-Aug-2006 12:49:01] <Shazburg> You're interested in just monitoring your router/switch usage, I take it?
[17-Aug-2006 12:49:04] <leku> yep
[17-Aug-2006 12:49:09] <creiht> If you click on the os tab for the device
[17-Aug-2006 12:49:18] <creiht> Do you see the interfaces for that device?
[17-Aug-2006 12:49:56] <leku> ahhh
[17-Aug-2006 12:50:01] <leku> this is what i've been looking for
[17-Aug-2006 12:50:05] <leku> blehh
[17-Aug-2006 12:50:07] <creiht> If you click on the interface name, it gives you graphs for that interface
[17-Aug-2006 12:50:19] <leku> finally
[17-Aug-2006 12:50:50] <leku> thx creiht
[17-Aug-2006 12:50:53] <creiht> np
[17-Aug-2006 12:50:58] <creiht> glad I could help
[17-Aug-2006 12:51:23] <leku> ok so now how do i setup the graphs for this?
[17-Aug-2006 12:51:25] <leku> i hit local copy
[17-Aug-2006 12:51:27] <leku> does that start it?
[17-Aug-2006 12:51:51] <creiht> local copy is if you want to change the template for that one device
[17-Aug-2006 12:52:04] <creiht> zenoss works off the idea of having templates
[17-Aug-2006 12:52:09] <creiht> for monitoring
[17-Aug-2006 12:52:10] <leku> where do I go to see the graphs then?
[17-Aug-2006 12:52:37] <Shazburg> How long has it been since you added this device?
[17-Aug-2006 12:52:44] <creiht> Which graphs do you want to see? There is a different place for device perf, interface perf, etc.
[17-Aug-2006 12:52:49] <leku> interface perf
[17-Aug-2006 12:52:57] <leku> how do i even tell it to start graphing?
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:03] <leku> shaz: about 5 min ago i think
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:07] <creiht> It does that automagically
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:08] <leku> don't I need to enable something?
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:13] <Shazburg> You'll need to give it a little time.
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:16] <leku> ok
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:23] <creiht> Yeah it just takes a little while
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:33] <creiht> zenoss re-loads the configs every 20 minutes
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:41] <Shazburg> It starts gathering data, but it will take 20 minutes for the graphs to show up.
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:45] <creiht> so each change you make can take up to 20 minutes to propigate
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:54] <leku> ok
[17-Aug-2006 12:54:01] <leku> cool, i'll just hang tight then
[17-Aug-2006 12:54:02] <leku> thx
[17-Aug-2006 12:54:35] <creiht> If you want it to happen more quickly
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[17-Aug-2006 12:54:39] <creiht> You can restart zenoss
[17-Aug-2006 12:54:46] <creiht> and it will immediately reload the configs then
[17-Aug-2006 12:55:07] <creiht> It will still need a bit of data collection before you will see a graph
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[17-Aug-2006 12:56:19] <creiht> I'm off to lunch, but will be back later
[17-Aug-2006 12:57:02] <leku> latez
[17-Aug-2006 13:07:42] <Shazburg> Okay, this one has been eating at me for the last day or so. I updated from trunk to resolve my Zenagios Heartbeat issue, but now I'm getting no love from SNMP. I'm still talking with my existing devices, but when I add a new device it doesn't seem to even try to talk to the new host.
[17-Aug-2006 13:08:05] <Shazburg> Where should I be looking for errors with snmp while adding new hosts?
[17-Aug-2006 13:16:26] <socialist> zenmodeler I think
[17-Aug-2006 13:17:03] <socialist> you should have a lot of logfiles in $ZENHOME/log, have to checked them?
[17-Aug-2006 13:17:57] <Shazburg> Yeah, I've been looking through them and I'm still sorting out what I'm looking at.
[17-Aug-2006 13:18:13] <Shazburg> I haven't come across any "ah-ha!" entries thus far.
[17-Aug-2006 13:21:43] <Shazburg> event.log:2006-08-17T10:03:40 INFO zen.ZenModeler snmp collection device medinfoapp
[17-Aug-2006 13:22:02] <Shazburg> event.log:2006-08-17T10:03:40 INFO zen.Device collected snmp information for device medinfoapp.north.renoimage.com
[17-Aug-2006 13:22:36] <Shazburg> zenmodeler.log:2006-08-17 09:50:41 INFO zen.ZenModeler: snmp collection device medinfoapp.north.renoimage.com
[17-Aug-2006 13:22:58] <Shazburg> zenmodeler.log:2006-08-17 09:50:42 WARNING zen.ZenModeler: Unable to create a snmp client for medinfoapp.north.renoimage.com
[17-Aug-2006 13:27:42] <socialist> weird
[17-Aug-2006 13:28:15] <socialist> I think you'll have to wait for one of the devs :\
[17-Aug-2006 13:28:20] <Shazburg> I go to add the device, it says everything is fine, but there is no data collected via SNMP.
[17-Aug-2006 13:28:24] <Shazburg> Schiesse.
[17-Aug-2006 13:28:53] <Shazburg> Hell, now I can't even spell my curses...
[17-Aug-2006 13:31:11] <giesen> Shazburg = Josh?
[17-Aug-2006 13:31:24] <Shazburg> Yep.
[17-Aug-2006 13:32:19] <giesen> giesen = YATman
[17-Aug-2006 13:32:27] <giesen> (Yet Another Ticket)
[17-Aug-2006 13:32:34] <giesen> =)
[17-Aug-2006 13:32:46] <giesen> although I havent submitted any today
[17-Aug-2006 13:32:51] <giesen> I guess I better get on that.
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[17-Aug-2006 13:51:37] <Shazburg> Has anyone in here done a fresh install off trunk in the last 24 hours or less?
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[17-Aug-2006 13:58:15] <leku> still no graphs
[17-Aug-2006 13:58:18] <leku> its been an hour at least
[17-Aug-2006 14:08:26] <Shazburg> Just to eliminate the obvious: did you try to refresh the page? You know, make certain your not pulling from a local cache?
[17-Aug-2006 14:13:19] <socialist> leku: make sure zenperfsnmp is running, make sure it's not spitting errors, and look at PerfConf of the interface you are trying to graph and make sure it has a configuration associated with it
[17-Aug-2006 14:20:17] <Shazburg> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there supposed to be a zenoss database?
[17-Aug-2006 14:20:35] <Shazburg> Called "zenoss".
[17-Aug-2006 14:21:28] <leku> hm
[17-Aug-2006 14:21:33] <leku> i did refresh..
[17-Aug-2006 14:28:11] <leku> and cleared my cache
[17-Aug-2006 14:28:21] <leku> starting to hate opensource today..
[17-Aug-2006 14:28:22] <leku> bbl
[17-Aug-2006 14:28:46] <kiddle> so, this doesn't seem to be a good thing
[17-Aug-2006 14:28:47] <kiddle> 2006-08-17 14:06:56 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: There are still 1 devices to query, waiting for them to finish
[17-Aug-2006 14:28:51] <kiddle> 2006-08-17 14:07:56 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Devices status is not clearing. Restarting.
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[17-Aug-2006 14:31:58] <Shazburg> Is it keeping you from doing something, kiddle?
[17-Aug-2006 14:32:41] <kiddle> i'm not sure shazburg, trying to monitor a bsdbox via snmp and peek at some graphs
[17-Aug-2006 14:33:11] <kiddle> but, what does it mean devices not clearing?
[17-Aug-2006 14:35:22] <Shazburg> I couldn't say. It's zenoss terminology (so far as I know), and I'm just getting my head wrapped around all this.
[17-Aug-2006 14:35:43] <Shazburg> Could be that it was having trouble talking with the host.
[17-Aug-2006 14:36:06] <Shazburg> (Just spitballing here. If someone knows, please tell me I'm an idiot and step in)
[17-Aug-2006 14:36:34] <Shazburg> Have you tested SNMP yourself on the remote host?
[17-Aug-2006 14:38:40] <kiddle> yes, i snmpwalked it
[17-Aug-2006 14:39:04] <Shazburg> Well that's out.
[17-Aug-2006 14:40:16] * kiddle is looking thru the code for hints
[17-Aug-2006 14:40:37] * kiddle rolls the dice
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[17-Aug-2006 16:37:32] <socialist> this is getting weird...why would a zope export of zport run at like 12KB/s
[17-Aug-2006 16:37:57] <socialist> I let one run for 20 hours, and it only exported about 180/460MB
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[17-Aug-2006 16:40:19] <creiht> socialist: Are all the zenoss daemons running while you are doing the export?
[17-Aug-2006 16:40:53] <socialist> I've had with and without
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[17-Aug-2006 17:00:57] * b_52Free just receive his zenoss tee shirt :d
[17-Aug-2006 17:25:17] <socialist> oh my god ldap overlays are not friendly
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[18-Aug-2006 02:05:46] <korozion> hehe, I've been pimping ZenOSS everywhere
[18-Aug-2006 02:11:43] <asyd> \_o<
[18-Aug-2006 02:12:05] <korozion> quack
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[18-Aug-2006 08:27:48] <gravitro1> where does zenoss get it's SMTP server config?
[18-Aug-2006 08:28:04] <asyd> hmm, maybe it just use /usr/sbin/sendmail ?
[18-Aug-2006 08:29:14] <asyd> (not sure though)
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[18-Aug-2006 11:32:51] <korozion> hey all, I get this on ./install http://uuoc.com/1573
[18-Aug-2006 11:32:51] <adytum-bot> Title: Useless Use of Cat (at uuoc.com)
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[18-Aug-2006 13:49:26] <socialist> korozion: that link takes me to http://www.w3.org/Protocols
[18-Aug-2006 13:49:26] <adytum-bot> Title: HTTP - Hypertext Transfer Protocol Overview (at www.w3.org)
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[18-Aug-2006 17:51:59] <socialist> ergh, anyone remember that zendmd method call to add a device manually?
[18-Aug-2006 17:52:24] <socialist> like devices.add() or something
[18-Aug-2006 17:52:41] <creiht> try
[18-Aug-2006 17:52:43] <creiht> help()
[18-Aug-2006 17:52:48] <creiht> does it tell you in there?
[18-Aug-2006 17:52:49] <socialist> it's not in the list
[18-Aug-2006 17:52:55] <creiht> try
[18-Aug-2006 17:53:00] <creiht> dir(devices)
[18-Aug-2006 17:53:10] <creiht> Should give you all the availble members, functions
[18-Aug-2006 17:55:00] <creiht> heh
[18-Aug-2006 17:55:09] <creiht> well there are a lot of members of devices
[18-Aug-2006 17:55:30] <socialist> import pprint
[18-Aug-2006 17:58:25] <socialist> cripes I don't remember
[18-Aug-2006 18:02:25] <creiht> Well I found deleteDevice
[18-Aug-2006 18:02:33] <socialist> yeah
[18-Aug-2006 18:02:45] <socialist> it was something sensible but not totally obvious
[18-Aug-2006 18:02:57] <socialist> like "discover" or "scan"
[18-Aug-2006 18:03:03] <socialist> I really can't remember
[18-Aug-2006 18:09:33] <socialist> dmd.DeviceLoader.loadDevice(<IP>)
[18-Aug-2006 18:11:01] <creiht> cool
[18-Aug-2006 18:17:54] <socialist> got a big network where you know the live IPs, and don't want to wait for a 7-hour discovery?
[18-Aug-2006 18:18:19] <socialist> f = open("/path/to/list/of/ips.txt", "r")
[18-Aug-2006 18:18:19] <socialist> for line in f.readlines():
[18-Aug-2006 18:18:19] <socialist> line.rstrip("\n")
[18-Aug-2006 18:18:19] <socialist> dmd.DeviceLoader.loadDevice(line)
[18-Aug-2006 18:23:02] <creiht> Sounds like a good candidate for a wiki entry
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[18-Aug-2006 19:31:09] <socialist> what does "Your information will be treated appropriately." mean exactly?
[18-Aug-2006 19:31:57] <socialist> not quite as reassuring as a privacy statement...
[18-Aug-2006 21:19:07] <socialist> er maybe I'm dumb, but which wiki exacly it writable
[18-Aug-2006 21:19:15] <socialist> s/it/is/
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[21-Aug-2006 04:31:27] <asyd> hello there
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[21-Aug-2006 05:07:35] <tim|mac> lol, nice topic
[21-Aug-2006 05:07:52] <tim|mac> I was wondering, does Zenoss support something like Nagios' Distributed model?
[21-Aug-2006 05:08:17] <tim|mac> so that I can run an instance of Zenoss at my customers and it keeps sending the data back to our central server?
[21-Aug-2006 05:08:56] <tim|mac> so I can have an aggregated view of all my customers at our central server, while our customers only see their own stuff, even when there's no internet connection
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[21-Aug-2006 10:33:36] <rputzler> Why is it that when I log into zenoss as admin the Dashboard is populated, when I log in as a user it is empty?
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[21-Aug-2006 15:34:10] <socialist> I have a web server with several virtual IPs, with apache running on the virtuals, not the main IP
[21-Aug-2006 15:35:05] <socialist> "os" shows that it found "http" IP service on the virtual IPs, which is correct
[21-Aug-2006 15:35:53] <socialist> but I am getting alerts because http is not running on the main IP, despite that IP not even being in the list for the http service
[21-Aug-2006 15:37:48] <edahl> hum that's a bug
[21-Aug-2006 15:38:01] <edahl> we are using the manageIp of the box not the ips from the service list
[21-Aug-2006 15:38:32] <edahl> is there a reason why apache does't listen on all ips?
[21-Aug-2006 15:38:43] <socialist> yep
[21-Aug-2006 15:39:10] <socialist> technically speaking, I could make it listen on the main IP as well, but I'd prefer not to
[21-Aug-2006 15:39:53] <socialist> incidentally, it does not do this for https, though that has the same setup
[21-Aug-2006 15:40:17] <socialist> I take that back, it's not watching https
[21-Aug-2006 15:42:14] <edahl> that's the short term fix I added #274 to track the issue
[21-Aug-2006 15:42:30] <socialist> thanks
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[21-Aug-2006 21:49:13] <socialist> why is it some events clear out after the issue is resolved (like a service becomes available), and other events stick around seemingly permanently even after being fixed ( like a missing OID becomes available)
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[22-Aug-2006 14:00:03] <socialist> I seem to be getting a lot of false positive "smtp down" events, are there any known quirks that might cause this?
[22-Aug-2006 14:01:04] <socialist> and for some reason, the zenoss box thinks its own main IP is down...
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[23-Aug-2006 08:28:37] <alexandre_securs> Hi I'm doing a study for my company to chose a Information Technology diagnostic system and I'm comparing Zenoss with another product, could some one help me?
[23-Aug-2006 08:32:08] <alexandre_securs> Hi someone
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[23-Aug-2006 10:50:24] <creiht> Has anyone used a nagios plugin yet with zenoss?
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[23-Aug-2006 14:11:34] <socialist> Rerun: I seem to be getting a lot of false positive "smtp down" events, are there any known quirks that might cause this?
[23-Aug-2006 14:11:51] <socialist> anyone else getting lots of false smtp down events?
[23-Aug-2006 14:26:37] <zaf> i haven't gotten false ones
[23-Aug-2006 14:36:11] <socialist> hm
[23-Aug-2006 14:37:34] <socialist> I think we need service flap control
[23-Aug-2006 14:53:37] <creiht> socialist: I have noticed that sometimes events will come in sometimes and hang around instead of moving to history when the service comes back up
[23-Aug-2006 14:54:03] <creiht> The services that are down, check the lastTime field in the events view to see if the event is just hanging around
[23-Aug-2006 14:54:27] <socialist> yeah, I did
[23-Aug-2006 14:54:44] <socialist> it's possible that the events are "real" but inaccurate
[23-Aug-2006 14:54:53] <creiht> hmmm
[23-Aug-2006 14:54:57] <creiht> That is odd
[23-Aug-2006 14:55:08] <socialist> I'm trying to get corroborating evidence
[23-Aug-2006 14:56:04] <socialist> to see if the service is really bouncing or if zenoss just thinks it is
[23-Aug-2006 14:56:39] <creiht> have you tried telneting to port 25 from your poller box?
[23-Aug-2006 14:56:42] <socialist> yup
[23-Aug-2006 14:56:50] <socialist> all manual tests have worked fine
[23-Aug-2006 14:57:24] <socialist> we'll see...these are not critical services, so I've just disable monitoring for the moment
[23-Aug-2006 15:43:15] <socialist> hm it would be really nice to see the OID of a process/disk/etc in the associated status tab
[23-Aug-2006 16:06:23] <socialist> this is getting a bit frustrating... I have events that show up, then never go away, so I clear all the events out of mysql. Most if not all of the "stale" events go away, but instead almost _all_ my devices suddenly show up as unpingable and I get a flood of 300 events
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[23-Aug-2006 17:37:41] <socialist> what in the hell
[23-Aug-2006 17:37:54] <socialist> all my manage IPs suddenly have a newline in them
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[23-Aug-2006 23:45:57] <duffyd> hello again all (those who I know anyway, i.e. giesen ;-)
[23-Aug-2006 23:46:10] <duffyd> just had a question regarding setting up the email alerts in zenoss
[23-Aug-2006 23:46:58] <duffyd> I've just run a test on my zenoss server (0.22.1) by turning off a monitored service on my SBS 2K3 server and it has shown in zenoss as an critical event
[23-Aug-2006 23:47:58] <duffyd> but I'm not getting any emails even though I've setup a email alert under my settings and 'alerting rules'
[23-Aug-2006 23:48:30] <duffyd> the alert I've setup will email me if there is any event <= Debug
[23-Aug-2006 23:48:44] <duffyd> sorry I mean >= Debug
[23-Aug-2006 23:49:32] <duffyd> I've checked the permissions on the MailHost and enabled all the perms for each role on the zope server
[23-Aug-2006 23:50:04] <duffyd> Do I need to setup the devices I manage under 'Administered Objects'
[24-Aug-2006 00:00:32] <duffyd> actually just found some errors in the zenactions.log (connection refused errors)
[24-Aug-2006 00:16:17] <duffyd> just realised that when the smtplib.py is trying to send an email it can't access the smtp server, how can I tell zenactions.py where to find its smtp server?
[24-Aug-2006 00:16:27] <duffyd> tried the mailhost in zope but no dice
[24-Aug-2006 00:20:31] <duffyd> just did some more digging and it appears it passes, 'self.options.smtphost' to the smtplib but wondering where it gets this from
[24-Aug-2006 00:25:03] <duffyd> I'm guessing it acquires this from the root of zope but doesn't seem to be working :-(
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[24-Aug-2006 00:44:00] <duffyd> btw if I run python2.4 manually and do an import smtplib and then a 'server = smtplib.SMTP('mysmtpserver', 'mysmtpport') it works fine - *shrug*
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[24-Aug-2006 10:26:54] <jjthomas> Does anyone mind taking a couple of small questions from a semi-n00b?
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[24-Aug-2006 10:32:27] <creiht> jjthomas: What questions do you have?
[24-Aug-2006 10:33:31] <jjthomas> One question concerns the system variable settings and how to make them "permanent." I essentially want Zenoss to run at startup on my Ubuntu Server install, and the problem I see is that I have not made the variable settings permanent.
[24-Aug-2006 10:35:25] <creiht> jjthomas: Which variable settings are you talking about?
[24-Aug-2006 10:35:53] <creiht> If you are talking about device information, that is stored in the zope database, and shouldn't be loss
[24-Aug-2006 10:36:26] <jjthomas> creiht: export ZENHOME=/usr/local/zenoss
[24-Aug-2006 10:36:26] <jjthomas> export PYTHONPATH=$ZENHOME/lib/python
[24-Aug-2006 10:36:26] <jjthomas> export PATH=$ZENHOME/bin:$PATH
[24-Aug-2006 10:36:35] <creiht> oh
[24-Aug-2006 10:36:45] <creiht> You can set those in your profile
[24-Aug-2006 10:36:58] <creiht> .profile in home
[24-Aug-2006 10:37:06] <jjthomas> OK.
[24-Aug-2006 10:37:14] <creiht> or to do it globally for all users on the system
[24-Aug-2006 10:37:32] <jjthomas> That's what I thought. It seemed everytime I did that it just would not work.
[24-Aug-2006 10:37:35] <creiht> looking up the the filename....
[24-Aug-2006 10:38:38] <creiht> Actually I have it in my .bashrc
[24-Aug-2006 10:38:59] <jjthomas> So, in my case, I would want to put it in root's .bashrc?
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:09] <creiht> yes
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:18] <creiht> If you are starting as root at startup
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:30] <jjthomas> Do you mind pasting in the area of your .bashrc file where these are set?
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:42] <creiht> export ZENHOME=/opt/zenoss
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:42] <creiht> export PYTHONPATH=$ZENHOME/lib/python
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:42] <creiht> export PATH=$ZENHOME/bin:$PATH
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:50] <jjthomas> At the end of the file?
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:53] <creiht> Of course I installed in a bit different area
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:54] <creiht> yes
[24-Aug-2006 10:40:46] <gumpa> install.sh question - I am always asked 'Do you want me to migrate your database to the new version? (y/n)
[24-Aug-2006 10:40:57] <gumpa> what should I answer?
[24-Aug-2006 10:41:18] <creiht> gumpa: Do you already have an installation of Zenoss?
[24-Aug-2006 10:41:22] <gumpa> yes
[24-Aug-2006 10:41:35] <creiht> gumpa: Do you want to keep all of your old configuration information?
[24-Aug-2006 10:41:42] <gumpa> might as well
[24-Aug-2006 10:42:06] <gumpa> 'y' restores defaults?
[24-Aug-2006 10:42:37] <creiht> y will migrate all your current device information
[24-Aug-2006 10:42:43] <creiht> otherwise n will install a clean setup
[24-Aug-2006 10:42:58] <gumpa> ah, so 'n' is for after I've borked it mucking about
[24-Aug-2006 10:43:17] <creiht> hehe
[24-Aug-2006 10:43:23] <gumpa> handy
[24-Aug-2006 10:43:24] <creiht> That is one way to do it
[24-Aug-2006 10:43:55] <gumpa> I suggest adding that zenwin is XP, 2003 only to the FAQ and README
[24-Aug-2006 10:44:33] <creiht> gumpa: I would post a ticket on zenoss.org
[24-Aug-2006 10:44:40] <gumpa> ok
[24-Aug-2006 10:44:53] <gumpa> thx
[24-Aug-2006 10:57:13] <jjthomas> creiht: Adding those variables appeared to stick, now my other question involves making sure zenoss always runs. The admin guide suggests doing the following: ln -s $ZENHOME/bin/zenoss /etc/rc.d/init.d. For my Ubuntu install, I added this symlink to /etc/rc5.d.
[24-Aug-2006 10:59:57] <creiht> jjthomas: I'm not familiar enough with ubuntu to know where it should go
[24-Aug-2006 11:00:19] <creiht> But I did what the admin guide suggests on Redhat and it works for me
[24-Aug-2006 11:00:21] <jjthomas> creiht: I will have to poke around at it a bit more.
[24-Aug-2006 11:00:55] <jjthomas> creiht: I am trying to recall where I found the information for where I placed the symlink. Darn googling like a madman 2 days ago. ;-)
[24-Aug-2006 11:01:33] <creiht> I run ubuntu at home on my desktop, but not here at work
[24-Aug-2006 11:03:52] <creiht> jjthomas: Do you have an /etc/init.d directory?
[24-Aug-2006 11:04:03] <jjthomas> creiht: It's been an experiment of mine. I have been flirting with different Linux flavors on an old desktop of mine. I essentially want to get some system monitoring to look at some things from the variety of devices I have at the SMB I work for.
[24-Aug-2006 11:04:16] <jjthomas> Yes.
[24-Aug-2006 11:04:22] <creiht> jjthomas: Try in there
[24-Aug-2006 11:04:32] <jjthomas> Create the symlink there?
[24-Aug-2006 11:04:35] <creiht> yes
[24-Aug-2006 11:05:06] <creiht> oh wait
[24-Aug-2006 11:05:07] <creiht> ok
[24-Aug-2006 11:05:09] <creiht> hmm
[24-Aug-2006 11:05:16] <jjthomas> creiht: I have it there already. I wonder if I have to pass it the start argument.
[24-Aug-2006 11:06:06] <creiht> If you are manually running it then you have to pass it start, otherwise the system should do it automatically on start up
[24-Aug-2006 11:06:28] <creiht> oh
[24-Aug-2006 11:06:39] <creiht> Apparently you have to do something like this
[24-Aug-2006 11:07:03] <creiht> sudo update-rc.d /etc/init.d/zenoss start 51 S .
[24-Aug-2006 11:07:33] <creiht> (taken from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto)
[24-Aug-2006 11:07:33] <adytum-bot> Title: UbuntuBootupHowto - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)
[24-Aug-2006 11:08:04] <jjthomas> Ahhhh.
[24-Aug-2006 11:18:25] <jjthomas> chreiht: Looks like the right way. I just need to get my syntax right.
[24-Aug-2006 11:18:51] <creiht> jjthomas: cool
[24-Aug-2006 11:27:14] <jjthomas> creiht: Restarting now, so let's see if this puppy works. ;-)
[24-Aug-2006 11:34:21] <creiht> crosses fingers
[24-Aug-2006 11:35:32] <jjthomas> creiht: No dice, but I am looking at something else. Crossing everything else but fingers.
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[24-Aug-2006 16:16:04] <giesen> muahahaha I got my zenoss shirt today
[24-Aug-2006 16:16:10] <giesen> and parchment with signatures
[24-Aug-2006 16:16:29] * giesen tucks it away in case they become rich and famous some day
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[25-Aug-2006 13:45:57] <joaochaves> Hi, I just installed zenoss-0.22.1 without problem, but I get Site Error in Zope
[25-Aug-2006 13:46:21] <joaochaves> Any idea?
[25-Aug-2006 13:46:35] <korozion> can you be a little more vague?
[25-Aug-2006 13:48:07] <joaochaves> I can't access http://127.0.0.1:8080/zport/dmd
[25-Aug-2006 13:48:29] <korozion> Did zope start?
[25-Aug-2006 13:49:33] <joaochaves> Yes, can acess ZMI
[25-Aug-2006 13:49:49] <korozion> hmm
[25-Aug-2006 13:51:00] <joaochaves> The zope error is "Site error Resource not found"
[25-Aug-2006 13:52:17] <joaochaves> I can't see any folder in the Zope root. Is it OK?
[25-Aug-2006 13:52:46] <korozion> I don't think so
[25-Aug-2006 13:53:38] <joaochaves> The installation process was OK and all services started OK.
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[25-Aug-2006 16:16:17] <dakotadogg> can someone help me with the install..
[25-Aug-2006 16:16:30] <dakotadogg> it keeps on looking for the zLib
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[27-Aug-2006 22:18:46] <Spydre13> Hello, does anyone have a minute to help me with a couple questions?
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[28-Aug-2006 02:20:07] <joel> sup guys
[28-Aug-2006 02:20:11] <joel> need some help
[28-Aug-2006 02:20:17] <joel> regarding my zenoss installation
[28-Aug-2006 02:20:18] <joel> T__T
[28-Aug-2006 02:20:32] <joel> any1 here willing to help?
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[28-Aug-2006 02:21:07] <joel> guys
[28-Aug-2006 02:21:17] <joel> i cant find zenperfxmlrpc
[28-Aug-2006 02:21:23] <joel> T_T
[28-Aug-2006 02:21:30] <joel> im stuck on my installation
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[28-Aug-2006 16:45:51] <kiddle> can anyone recommend a win32 text-editor that can edit files over (s)ftp ?
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[28-Aug-2006 20:38:58] <Spydre13> can anyone in here answer a couple questions about zenoss?
[28-Aug-2006 20:41:08] <kiddle> just ask, i'm sure someone will chime in
[28-Aug-2006 20:41:12] <kiddle> eventually
[28-Aug-2006 21:09:56] <Spydre13> I was wondering how the -1 severity works
[28-Aug-2006 21:10:26] <Spydre13> specifically for the ping status monitor
[28-Aug-2006 21:13:13] <Spydre13> and also how the zPingInterfaceName property works....for example I typed "Dialer1" in the box for a router which I would like the Dialer1 interface to be pinged on...but it doesn't seem to ping the Dialer1 interface's IP
[28-Aug-2006 21:43:19] <Spydre13> Also I would just like to say that I am using the VMWare appliance...I am going to try to update it to the 0.22.1 but it looks like I need to install some dependencies first
[28-Aug-2006 22:19:48] <Spydre13> Anyone know what the mysql password is for Zenoss events database for the VMWare appliance?
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[29-Aug-2006 03:24:39] <david32> Hi All
[29-Aug-2006 03:25:03] <david32> I've got some questions about Zenoss if any body is here
[29-Aug-2006 03:48:06] <david32> hi
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[29-Aug-2006 11:04:20] <junix|work> is there going to be a package available for ubuntu/debian???
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[29-Aug-2006 11:40:31] <Spla4t1> Quick question. After playing with the vmware image I cant seem to get into the system as root. Whats the root password?
[29-Aug-2006 12:05:30] <Spla4t1> Any Idea's
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[29-Aug-2006 12:25:00] <Spla4t1> Whats the root password on the vmware appliance? Didnt see it anywhere in documentation.
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[29-Aug-2006 13:05:55] <junix|work> no password?
[29-Aug-2006 13:10:15] <gumpa> Spla4t1: I don't know root password, user zenoss seems to be able to sudo without a password
[29-Aug-2006 13:12:42] <Spla4t1> I got it working using the sudo..
[29-Aug-2006 13:32:47] <dosle> does anyone here have experience with zenwin0.22.1 ?
[29-Aug-2006 14:12:20] <Spla4t1> dos1e: I just ran into a bunch of errors on zenwin. I think im going to look at groundwork/nagios package instead.
[29-Aug-2006 14:31:21] <dosle> I was looking at that myself last week, didn't delve too deep.
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[29-Aug-2006 15:29:27] <socialist> what happens to syslog messages after zensyslog receives them?
[29-Aug-2006 15:29:45] <socialist> do they get writtn to files or passed on to the real syslog?
[29-Aug-2006 15:30:19] <ecn> they are processed by zenoss' event system and stored in the status/history mysql tables
[29-Aug-2006 15:30:25] <ecn> not put to real syslog
[29-Aug-2006 15:44:26] <socialist> that is problematic
[29-Aug-2006 15:44:41] <ecn> it can probably be fixed, too.
[29-Aug-2006 15:44:49] <socialist> I just did
[29-Aug-2006 15:44:51] <socialist> sorat
[29-Aug-2006 15:44:54] <socialist> sorta*
[29-Aug-2006 15:45:13] <socialist> bound to 127.0.0.1 and piped syslog from syslog-ng
[29-Aug-2006 15:46:10] <ecn> you can change the syslog port by changing line 37 of zensyslog.py
[29-Aug-2006 15:47:00] <socialist> I thought about that, but I figured since I was passing eveything through syslog-ng anyway, might as well not have it listen to the network
[29-Aug-2006 15:48:13] <creiht> ecn: You guys need to make that a configuration variable
[29-Aug-2006 15:48:33] <creiht> Every time I upgrade I have to change that line
[29-Aug-2006 15:48:50] <ecn> I have pointed you to the tracker, right?
[29-Aug-2006 15:48:55] <creiht> yes
[29-Aug-2006 15:48:57] <ecn> 8-)
[29-Aug-2006 15:49:03] <creiht> Just a friendly reminder
[29-Aug-2006 15:49:38] <ecn> my email also works for a reminder list: ecn at swcomplete doter-commer (or zenoss doter-commer)
[29-Aug-2006 15:49:42] <creiht> btw... Had a good visit with Erik and Steve
[29-Aug-2006 15:49:53] <ecn> heh
[29-Aug-2006 15:50:01] <socialist> hey ecn, while you're here: is there a public wiki somewhere, or is the trac wiki for devs only?
[29-Aug-2006 15:50:20] <ecn> stupid spammers attack as soon as we open it up
[29-Aug-2006 15:50:33] <ecn> send erik a note to get access
[29-Aug-2006 15:50:45] <socialist> grr
[29-Aug-2006 15:51:12] <socialist> I was pretty impressed at how fast spam-slime figured out how to auto-post on trac
[29-Aug-2006 16:00:12] <ecn> syslog now supports --syslogport and syslogport option in it's config file
[29-Aug-2006 16:00:26] <ecn> it might even work ;-)
[29-Aug-2006 16:08:26] <junix|work> no password?
[29-Aug-2006 16:08:27] <junix|work> is there going to be a package available for ubuntu/debian???
[29-Aug-2006 16:09:10] <ecn> it would be great if someone could contribute a debian pkg ... it isn't on the list now (nor are .rpms)
[29-Aug-2006 16:09:42] <junix|work> is there a easier way to isntall this...it seems a lot like big brother which is a kludge already
[29-Aug-2006 16:10:06] <ecn> the VMWare image is pretty easy to run
[29-Aug-2006 16:10:46] <junix|work> is it linux?
[29-Aug-2006 16:10:55] <socialist> yep
[29-Aug-2006 16:10:56] <junix|work> duh
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:01] <junix|work> umm...what distro?
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:08] <socialist> fc4 I think
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:11] <junix|work> ugh
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:13] <ecn> FC5
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:17] <socialist> what he said
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:31] <ecn> patches welcome
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:45] <junix|work> well maybe when i get home, one of you guys can help me set this up....i'm a little confused...
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:45] <junix|work> ?
[29-Aug-2006 16:12:10] <socialist> if someone is here, I'm sure they'd help
[29-Aug-2006 16:12:50] <ecn> I won't be around tonight, maybe wed/thu
[29-Aug-2006 16:29:25] <junix|work> k
[29-Aug-2006 16:47:06] <junix|work> thanks
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[29-Aug-2006 19:01:56] <duffyd> hello again. I am experiencing a regular 30 min email from zenagios with a 'heartbeat failure' message. I have searched the Net but can't find a resolution for it. Anyone know how to fix this?
[29-Aug-2006 19:17:49] <socialist> duffyd: mine is doing the same thing
[29-Aug-2006 19:18:16] <socialist> I've been ignoring it
[29-Aug-2006 19:18:33] <duffyd> are you using version 0.22.1?
[29-Aug-2006 19:41:56] <duffyd> if it's that hard I'll just disable zenagios :-)
[29-Aug-2006 20:04:07] <socialist> yes 0.22.1
[29-Aug-2006 20:04:12] <duffyd> cool, ta
[29-Aug-2006 20:07:34] <duffyd> I'll just filter out that message :-)
[29-Aug-2006 20:07:36] <duffyd> that'll do it
[29-Aug-2006 20:08:21] <socialist> yeah that's what I did
[29-Aug-2006 20:08:35] <duffyd> cool. 'Great minds think alike' ;-)
[29-Aug-2006 20:08:36] <socialist> it will be fixed soon enough
[29-Aug-2006 20:08:40] <socialist> hehe
[29-Aug-2006 20:08:40] <duffyd> true
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[30-Aug-2006 12:29:37] <korozion> wow the website sure changed!
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[30-Aug-2006 15:56:35] <kanzen> hello. I'm looking to implement a NMS for a 20 node network that we expect to expand to several hundred nodes (probably remain <1000 nodes). I was going to go with OpenNMS, but have been reading a bit about zenoss. can anyone provide me with a link that has an objective comparison with other NMS products?
[30-Aug-2006 15:58:55] <creiht> kanzen: I'm not sure if they have a comparison chart anywhere, but if you have any questions about how it compares with OpenNMS, I can do my best to answer any of your questions
[30-Aug-2006 16:00:26] <kanzen> creiht, I'd appreciate that. Is zenoss more geared towards monitoring, management or does it do both equally well?
[30-Aug-2006 16:01:05] <creiht> kanzen: Define what you mean by management... as that can mean several different things
[30-Aug-2006 16:01:11] <creiht> As for my general impression
[30-Aug-2006 16:01:37] <creiht> OpenNMS scales very well, and as monitoring goes it gets the job done
[30-Aug-2006 16:01:45] <creiht> but
[30-Aug-2006 16:01:55] <creiht> OpenNMS is a pain to install, configure, and maintain
[30-Aug-2006 16:03:03] <creiht> To be fair to OpenNMS they are currently working on some of these issues, but it still may be a while before ease of use is anywhere near what is available from Zenoss
[30-Aug-2006 16:03:12] <kanzen> I mean management in the sense of policy configurations/reactive configuration changes (not so much provisioning... although that would be nice too), integration with CRM/ticketing systems (e.g. opening up tickets in third party systems)
[30-Aug-2006 16:04:11] <kanzen> right now my number one reason (but not only) for hesitating with openNMS is the javaness
[30-Aug-2006 16:04:48] <kanzen> I don't really have anything against java, however it does not seem like the best choice for a opensource product geared towards system/network admins
[30-Aug-2006 16:05:08] <kanzen> I know of a lot more SAs familiar with python than java
[30-Aug-2006 16:05:36] <creiht> Well hopefully you don't have to digg into the code too much of either
[30-Aug-2006 16:05:45] <creiht> OpenNMS exposes pieces through XMLRPC
[30-Aug-2006 16:05:54] <creiht> But it is a bit patchwork
[30-Aug-2006 16:06:27] <creiht> I haven't integrated anything with Zenoss yet, but with their usage of Zope, pretty much anything can be easily exposed through XMLRPC
[30-Aug-2006 16:08:41] <kanzen> what has me hesitating with zenoss is the maturity. While it impressive to see so many milestone releases since the product launch, it is not ideal for a production shop
[30-Aug-2006 16:09:08] <creiht> So far I have been pretty impressed
[30-Aug-2006 16:09:09] <kanzen> how easy is it upgrade between releases? are they required?
[30-Aug-2006 16:09:21] <creiht> I have been using since version .19
[30-Aug-2006 16:09:36] <creiht> I currently monitor about 50 devices
[30-Aug-2006 16:09:57] <creiht> Every upgrade so far has been very smooth
[30-Aug-2006 16:10:06] <creiht> Basically you run the install script
[30-Aug-2006 16:10:31] <creiht> It detects that you have an older version, asks you if you want to upgrade, and automatically migrates everything
[30-Aug-2006 16:12:00] <kanzen> I've read a couple of comments regarding zenoss's lack of flexibility, however the documentation seems to indication that is just as, if not more flexible than other products. Am I just misunderstanding what I'm reading?
[30-Aug-2006 16:12:33] <creiht> For me it has been very flexible... Where did you read those comments?
[30-Aug-2006 16:13:31] <kanzen> while googling for comparisons, I can try to find them again if you're interested.
[30-Aug-2006 16:13:36] <creiht> kanzen: The best thing I would recommend is to download the VMWare demo and try it out
[30-Aug-2006 16:14:26] <creiht> I have used both, and currently Zenoss has been much more flexible for me
[30-Aug-2006 16:14:50] <creiht> Though I have to admit that I am much more a Python programmer than a Java programmer
[30-Aug-2006 16:15:07] <creiht> The OpenNMS guys are also good guys... I don't in any way want to nock them
[30-Aug-2006 16:15:37] <kanzen> going to do an install on a debain box later today
[30-Aug-2006 16:16:09] <kanzen> yes, both projects seem to be contributing a lot
[30-Aug-2006 16:17:50] <creiht> Some things that you will notice right off the bat
[30-Aug-2006 16:18:06] <creiht> With OpenNMS a lot of the configuration has to be done through XML files
[30-Aug-2006 16:18:31] <creiht> and if you change the configuration, you have to restart OpenNMS
[30-Aug-2006 16:18:52] <creiht> Almost all configuration for Zenoss is done through the web UI
[30-Aug-2006 16:18:58] <kanzen> unforetunately I don't have a lot of time to evaluate the current oss offerings, so I'm trying to narrow things down a bit. So far I think I'm going to look at Zenoss and OpenNMS for NMSish stuff.
[30-Aug-2006 16:19:26] <creiht> Right now they seem to be both positioning themselves as the big players
[30-Aug-2006 16:19:33] <kanzen> yes, the config file thing is a major issue for. it does not scale.
[30-Aug-2006 16:20:44] <creiht> The things that are in OpenNMS favor right now (In my opinion):
[30-Aug-2006 16:21:06] <creiht> 1. More mature service availability monitoring (Though that is coming very soon to ZenOSS)
[30-Aug-2006 16:22:32] <creiht> 2. A bit more scalable... Though in your case it wouldn't matter as I'm talking about when you want to start monitoring 50K+ devices
[30-Aug-2006 16:23:31] <creiht> Another thing that is very welcome with Zenoss is that it monitors it-self
[30-Aug-2006 16:23:52] <creiht> So for example if a piece isn't working correctly, it will create an alert letting you know
[30-Aug-2006 16:24:00] <creiht> OpenNMS doesn't have anything like this
[30-Aug-2006 16:24:01] <kanzen> how about MoM type stuff... does Zenoss have any sort of distributed monitoring?
[30-Aug-2006 16:24:06] <creiht> Not yet
[30-Aug-2006 16:24:14] <creiht> OpenNMS doesn't yet either
[30-Aug-2006 16:25:32] <kanzen> I don't know of any f/oss NMS that does. well... nagios, but it seems more like NMS-lite
[30-Aug-2006 16:27:44] <kanzen> how about provisioning integration? Any comments there?
[30-Aug-2006 16:28:08] <creiht> Yeah I would steer clear of nagios
[30-Aug-2006 16:28:21] <creiht> What exactly do you mean by provisioning integration?
[30-Aug-2006 16:28:43] <creiht> You have an outside system that needs to tell the monitoring system that a new machine needs to be monitored?
[30-Aug-2006 16:28:59] <kanzen> how well does it integrate with third party provisioning systems...
[30-Aug-2006 16:29:08] <creiht> ahhh
[30-Aug-2006 16:29:16] <kanzen> yeah or tell the NMS that a machine is going down for maintenance, etc...
[30-Aug-2006 16:29:18] <creiht> I can't say as I have not done anything like that
[30-Aug-2006 16:29:43] <creiht> That functionality can/is available through xmlrpc
[30-Aug-2006 16:29:55] <creiht> And they have a mechanism for having maintenance windows
[30-Aug-2006 16:30:10] <creiht> So that you do not get alerts in the middle of the maintenance window
[30-Aug-2006 16:32:06] <kanzen> one of the features that I really liked about Spectrum was its out of the box ability to understand that if a node goes down, it doesn't have to try to tell us that every box behind said node is also down
[30-Aug-2006 16:32:26] <creiht> kanzen: I think Zenoss is supposed to do that
[30-Aug-2006 16:32:29] <creiht> For example
[30-Aug-2006 16:32:34] <creiht> If a router goes down
[30-Aug-2006 16:32:47] <creiht> Anything behind that router doesn't show alerts
[30-Aug-2006 16:33:17] <creiht> I currently only monitor a bunch of servers, and no network hardware, so I'm not completely sure how that works
[30-Aug-2006 16:35:04] <kanzen> do you know if there is any planned integration/overlap with ossim? (haven't used opensim or ossim yet, but they seem like rather interesting products)
[30-Aug-2006 16:35:23] <creiht> I'm not familiar with ossim... what is that?
[30-Aug-2006 16:36:07] <creiht> Ahhh... google is your friend
[30-Aug-2006 16:36:15] <kanzen> familiar with opensim? aggretation portals for monitoring stuff
[30-Aug-2006 16:36:16] <creiht> Hmmm... I'm not completely sure
[30-Aug-2006 16:36:28] <kanzen> heh... sorry, ircing between events
[30-Aug-2006 16:36:42] <creiht> That would be a better question for Edahl (The lead developer)
[30-Aug-2006 16:37:17] <creiht> I do know that they have a lot of stuff planned on the pipeline, and that things that are requested more get bumped up sonner
[30-Aug-2006 16:37:19] <creiht> err sooner
[30-Aug-2006 16:37:37] <creiht> For example we had asked them about IPv6
[30-Aug-2006 16:37:57] <creiht> It's on their roadmap, but nobody has requested IPv6 yet
[30-Aug-2006 16:38:05] <creiht> So it hasn't been a major priority yet
[30-Aug-2006 16:38:20] <kanzen> heh... funny you say that. I'm most impressed with what they have on their roadmap.
[30-Aug-2006 16:38:59] <kanzen> it seems like they will make products like opensim/ossim redundant on future zenoss managed networks
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[30-Aug-2006 16:42:42] <kanzen> just out of curiosity... what OS are you running zenoss on?
[30-Aug-2006 16:42:53] <creiht> Redhat ES3
[30-Aug-2006 16:43:01] <creiht> I did initial testing on Ubuntu
[30-Aug-2006 16:43:39] <ecn> FC5 and occasionally FreeBSD (eew), CentOS, MacOS
[30-Aug-2006 16:43:53] <kanzen> I'll be dropping it on debian most likely. noticed there was install guides for it which was nice
[30-Aug-2006 16:44:02] <kanzen> not a FreeBSD fan, eh?
[30-Aug-2006 16:44:09] <creiht> ecn: What's wrong with FreeBSD?
[30-Aug-2006 16:44:32] <ecn> I've become all cranky in my old age... pay no attention
[30-Aug-2006 16:44:46] <creiht> heh
[30-Aug-2006 16:45:00] <ecn> csh, for one
[30-Aug-2006 16:45:05] <creiht> kanzen: ecn is a Zenoss dev, so he can probably answer some of the question I was unable to
[30-Aug-2006 16:45:23] <ecn> ps -elf isn't accomodated (though, I hardly ever type that anymore)
[30-Aug-2006 16:45:25] <creiht> ecn: Well that is a pretty quick fix
[30-Aug-2006 16:45:27] <kanzen> cut my teeth on BSD. overall, I preferred it to linux, however it was no longer able to suit my needs/expectations so I made the switch to linux
[30-Aug-2006 16:46:04] <creiht> Yeah the ps thing is annoying, but you also have the same problem on OS X
[30-Aug-2006 16:46:23] <ecn> well, "we" meant the other Erik
[30-Aug-2006 16:47:17] <creiht> trying to find your reference to "we".....
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[30-Aug-2006 16:47:49] <kanzen> ecn: this question is more for my curiosity than anything else, noticed you guys are using both mysql and zodb. What was mysql able to do better than zodb for the product?
[30-Aug-2006 16:47:50] <ecn> as in "we use... "
[30-Aug-2006 16:47:54] <creiht> oh
[30-Aug-2006 16:47:55] <creiht> hehe
[30-Aug-2006 16:48:07] <ecn> zodb isn't good for lots of updates
[30-Aug-2006 16:48:16] <ecn> as in.. we have customers with 20K events a day
[30-Aug-2006 16:48:22] <kanzen> gotchya
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[30-Aug-2006 16:48:43] <kanzen> heh.. durr. that should have been obvious.
[30-Aug-2006 16:53:03] <kanzen> ecn: how does the event notification work? is there any bultin support for helpdesk/ticketing integration?
[30-Aug-2006 16:55:03] <ecn> heh... that needs to go into the FAQ
[30-Aug-2006 16:55:19] <ecn> under users... you can create filters that can be sent out as pages/email
[30-Aug-2006 16:55:39] <ecn> no, there's no direct helpdesk/ticketing support Right Now
[30-Aug-2006 16:55:42] <ecn> but it's on the list
[30-Aug-2006 16:57:37] <creiht> I'm starting to think that is your standard answer for every thing
[30-Aug-2006 16:57:37] <kanzen> I've got to run for now, but thank you both for being so helpful. I'm sure you'll see more of me in future as I evaluate zenoss.
[30-Aug-2006 16:57:45] <creiht> It currently doesn't do that
[30-Aug-2006 16:57:50] <creiht> But it is on a list somewhere
[30-Aug-2006 16:57:52] <creiht>
[30-Aug-2006 16:57:59] <kanzen> heh.
[30-Aug-2006 16:58:01] <kanzen> later guys
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[30-Aug-2006 19:55:17] <httped> this software rocks!
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[31-Aug-2006 18:59:57] <phobosd> ahoy!
[31-Aug-2006 19:00:24] <phobosd> so PEEP this out!
[31-Aug-2006 19:00:25] <phobosd> building '_mysql' extension
[31-Aug-2006 19:00:25] <phobosd> creating build/temp.linux-i686-2.3
[31-Aug-2006 19:00:25] <phobosd> gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fPIC -I/usr/include/mysql -I/usr/local/include/python2.3 -c _mysql.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-2.3/_mysql.o -I/usr/include/mysql -g -pipe -m32 -march=i386 -mtune=pentium4
[31-Aug-2006 19:00:30] <phobosd> cc1: invalid option `tune=pentium4'
[31-Aug-2006 19:00:32] <phobosd> error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
[31-Aug-2006 19:00:35] <phobosd> <3
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[31-Aug-2006 22:45:55] <chipach> anyone around?
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[01-Aug-2006 00:20:01] <chairuou> hello
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[01-Aug-2006 08:12:21] <gravitron> any developers around?
[01-Aug-2006 08:12:37] <ecn> what's up?
[01-Aug-2006 08:13:35] <gravitron> I've got a class of servers /Devices/Servers/Windows/Database
[01-Aug-2006 08:13:42] <gravitron> where I collect some additional performance type data
[01-Aug-2006 08:13:53] <gravitron> I'd like to collect this data on a more granular fashion
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:08] <gravitron> can I alter the polling period for these data elements only?
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:16] <ecn> not at this time
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:20] <gravitron> or can I alter the polling period for this path
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:25] <gravitron> is that a potential feature?
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:28] <gravitron> future
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:49] <ecn> it is... send a note to the mailing list describing it... maybe Erik will bump it up on the list
[01-Aug-2006 08:15:04] <gravitron> ok, also, one other thing
[01-Aug-2006 08:15:17] <gravitron> I'd like to gather some specific performance data based on my hardware
[01-Aug-2006 08:15:29] <gravitron> (in this case a Dell PERC raid controller)
[01-Aug-2006 08:16:09] <gravitron> currently, the 'hardware' tab does not contain a specific element for a raid controller (as there is with HardDisk)
[01-Aug-2006 08:16:30] <gravitron> 1. is there a way for me as a user to add my raid controllers as elements of the hardware to be discovered
[01-Aug-2006 08:16:40] <gravitron> so that I can generate a perf config template for it
[01-Aug-2006 08:17:18] <ecn> hmm
[01-Aug-2006 08:17:22] <ecn> to be discovered, no
[01-Aug-2006 08:17:32] <gravitron> you see what I am getting at though?
[01-Aug-2006 08:17:38] <ecn> but.. if you can monitor the performance data via snmp
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[01-Aug-2006 08:17:48] <gravitron> my particular hardware configuration goes beyond a HardDisk
[01-Aug-2006 08:18:03] <ecn> you can add those templates to a group and collect on them
[01-Aug-2006 08:18:12] <gravitron> right, I can gather it via SNMP, but I am trying to blend in with the 'organization' structure of zenoss
[01-Aug-2006 08:18:25] <gravitron> not sure I am following
[01-Aug-2006 08:18:38] <ecn> to be honest, I'm a bit fuzzy on the discovery side, since it was here before I started working on zenoss
[01-Aug-2006 08:18:58] <gravitron> well, one of the things I see in the admin guide is "Maps"
[01-Aug-2006 08:19:02] <gravitron> snmp collector maps
[01-Aug-2006 08:19:18] <gravitron> and it seems that for each of the 'hardware types' that are recognized (HardDisk, Route, Interface, etc)
[01-Aug-2006 08:19:37] <gravitron> there is a 'map' bullet (no description of what these thigns are though... documentation to come
)[01-Aug-2006 08:20:24] <ecn> sorry I can't help
[01-Aug-2006 08:20:40] <ecn> send a note to the list... Erik is good about getting back in the same day
[01-Aug-2006 08:20:49] <ecn> unless it really stumps us
[01-Aug-2006 08:22:56] <gravitron> hehe
[01-Aug-2006 08:23:01] <gravitron> ok
[01-Aug-2006 08:23:14] <gravitron> what's the mailing list? (too lazy to look it up, if yoiu have it handy)
[01-Aug-2006 08:24:41] <ecn> http://lists.zenoss.org/mailman/listinfo/zenoss-users
[01-Aug-2006 08:24:41] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss-users Info Page (at lists.zenoss.org)
[01-Aug-2006 08:26:20] <gravitron> thanks
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[01-Aug-2006 16:13:57] <creiht> edahl: A minor enhancement request. When you are deleting a device, when deleting a device, some time of confirmation probably should be done
[01-Aug-2006 16:14:17] <edahl> good thought
[01-Aug-2006 16:14:47] <edahl> you can undo if you lost something
[01-Aug-2006 16:14:55] <edahl> need to go through the ZMI
[01-Aug-2006 16:16:01] <creiht> That is good to know... and I haven't lost something, just thought about it as I was showing some co-workers how to use zenoss
[01-Aug-2006 16:20:48] <edahl> cool
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[01-Aug-2006 20:20:13] <giesen> Is there any way to set a threshold that's a delta
[01-Aug-2006 20:20:18] <giesen> rather than a fixed number?
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[01-Aug-2006 22:04:27] <Jester888> 02I just installed Zenoss on a CentOS 4.6 host and added a few devices. The are repoting up and are communicating via snmp properly. The problem is, I am not getting any graphs.
[01-Aug-2006 22:05:41] <Jester888> 02The event log is giving several errors. The one that looks like it is causing the issue is..
[01-Aug-2006 22:05:52] <Jester888> 02error: opening '/usr/local/zenoss/perf/Devices/MAIL2/memoryPagesPerSec.rrd': No such file or directory
[01-Aug-2006 22:06:12] <Jester888> 02When I look in the perf dir.. there Device directory is not present
[01-Aug-2006 22:06:57] <Jester888> 02Everything else appears to be functioning correctly, the zenoss user owns the perf dir and has 775 perms.
[01-Aug-2006 22:07:33] <Jester888> 02Any ideas on how to get zenoss to create the Devices directory and populate it? or why it would not be?
[01-Aug-2006 22:10:12] <Jester888> 02Google and the mail archive, have not returned any results with a solution that I could find.
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[01-Aug-2006 22:22:31] <Jester888> 02Any one or would I be better off using the mailing list?
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[01-Aug-2006 22:34:34] <Jester888> 02I have posted my question to the userlist. http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001016.html Any help would be appreciated.
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[02-Aug-2006 10:16:03] <giesen> Is there any way to set the email address zenoss sends from?
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[02-Aug-2006 11:16:57] <creiht> edahl: How's it going?
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:18] <edahl> good close to the release
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:23] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:45] <creiht> I saw that it was in the /downloads folder
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:56] <edahl> don't take that one its bad
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:59] <creiht> hehe
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:59] <creiht> ok
[02-Aug-2006 11:18:25] <creiht> I was just reading the release notes
[02-Aug-2006 11:18:37] <creiht> I like the idea of ading the xml-rpc daemon
[02-Aug-2006 11:19:39] <creiht> When do you think the release will be ready?
[02-Aug-2006 11:19:40] <edahl> yea that helps alot
[02-Aug-2006 11:19:50] <edahl> another hour or so
[02-Aug-2006 11:19:54] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006 11:20:08] <creiht> I was going to walk some others here through the upgrade after lunch today
[02-Aug-2006 11:20:16] <creiht> So that will be great
[02-Aug-2006 11:22:07] <creiht> So I had another idea.... Have you guys thought about generating alerts through email?
[02-Aug-2006 11:22:26] <creiht> Somewhat similar to a trap
[02-Aug-2006 11:23:06] <edahl> yes I have but not sure we have a bug to track it
[02-Aug-2006 11:23:13] <edahl> I will had one
[02-Aug-2006 11:23:37] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:16] <creiht> It would make it super easy to generate alerts for some errors on various systems that we have here
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:32] <edahl> #226
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:37] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:42] <creiht> You guys rock
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:46] <edahl> I think its easy to add as well
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:50] <edahl> thanks!
[02-Aug-2006 11:56:45] <edahl> ok zenoss-0.22.0 is up on our downloads directory
[02-Aug-2006 11:57:01] * zaph cheers
[02-Aug-2006 11:58:12] <Hatter> cool
[02-Aug-2006 11:59:04] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.22.0.tar.gz
[02-Aug-2006 12:02:51] <zaf> just install.sh to upgrade, right?
[02-Aug-2006 12:05:37] <edahl> yep
[02-Aug-2006 12:05:45] <creiht> wohoo!
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[02-Aug-2006 13:39:07] <edahl> guys we found a bug in zenperfsnmp just now
[02-Aug-2006 13:39:19] <zaf> doh!
[02-Aug-2006 13:39:32] <zaf> let me know when 0.22.1 is up
[02-Aug-2006 13:40:42] <edahl> will do
[02-Aug-2006 13:42:46] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.22.1.tar.gz
[02-Aug-2006 13:42:46] <zaf>
[02-Aug-2006 13:42:51] <edahl> 0.22.0 was the shortest release ever!
[02-Aug-2006 13:45:21] * zaf rebuilds
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[02-Aug-2006 16:19:04] <zaf> is there a way to make the base zope url automatically go to the Zenoss main page?
[02-Aug-2006 16:20:42] <edahl> yes
[02-Aug-2006 16:20:54] <edahl> in the index_html
[02-Aug-2006 16:21:04] <edahl> in /
[02-Aug-2006 16:21:53] <creiht> Upgrade completed and seemed to work well
[02-Aug-2006 16:21:59] <zaf> just put a meta-refresh in there, right?
[02-Aug-2006 16:22:32] <edahl> need to put a redirect
[02-Aug-2006 16:23:36] <zaf> thanks
[02-Aug-2006 16:23:45] <edahl> is that enough
[02-Aug-2006 16:23:49] <edahl> info?
[02-Aug-2006 16:23:57] <edahl> need to do i in the zmi
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:05] <creiht> edahl: My alerting rules didn't quite come over correctly
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:16] <edahl> hum
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:21] <edahl> what happened?
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:40] <creiht> Well I don't know if you could have really converted it really well anyway
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:47] <creiht> My query used like
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:11] <creiht> I think it was something like
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:29] <creiht> deviceGroup like '%blahblahblah%'
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:46] <creiht> It turned it into Device Group is /
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:49] <zaf> edahl, yep, works
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:55] <edahl> zaf cool
[02-Aug-2006 16:26:10] <creiht> No biggie though... I can go through and change them
[02-Aug-2006 16:26:20] <edahl> creiht let me have ecn take a look
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[02-Aug-2006 16:27:11] <creiht> otherwise I like the new interface for email alerts
[02-Aug-2006 16:27:48] <ecn> creight: Erik said you are having problems with the alert filters?
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:05] <creiht> ecn: Well one of them didn't transfer over correctly
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:13] <creiht> With the upgrade
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:18] <ecn> whoo hoo only one!
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:21] <creiht> though I'm not sure if it could have
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:22] <creiht> laugh
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:31] <creiht> Well one that I duplicate for about 10 users
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:41] <ecn> you know what it's like to write a where clause parser in 2 days?
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:48] <creiht> I had used something like the following in my where clause
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:50] <creiht> lagus
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:52] <creiht> err
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:53] <ecn> super secret trick:
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:54] <creiht> laughs
[02-Aug-2006 16:29:06] <ecn> you can edit the where clause if you turn off java script when you visit the page
[02-Aug-2006 16:29:24] <creiht> deviceGroups like '%blahblah%'
[02-Aug-2006 16:29:59] <creiht> Now it shows in the new interface as
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:05] <creiht> Device Groups is /
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:16] <ecn> ah
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:25] <creiht> Otherwise I like the interface so far
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:38] <creiht> It looks really good... especially if you did it in two days
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:41] <ecn> good
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:52] <ecn> three days: one day to do the javascript 8-)
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:55] <creiht> hehe
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:11] <ecn> change your deviceGroups like '%blah%'
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:13] <ecn> to
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:24] <ecn> deviceGroups like '%|blah%'
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:41] <ecn> (that's a vertical bar in there)
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:47] <creiht> What does that do?
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:02] <ecn> device groups...
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:12] <creiht> But I can edit them to fit the new UI way
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:20] <ecn> ok
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:20] <creiht> So it isn't a biggie
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:29] <creiht> just thought I would let you know though
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:39] <ecn> you can see the generated where clause with the no-javascript trick
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:42] <ecn> thanks
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:51] <ecn> deviceGroup is a many many relationship
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:57] <creiht> yeah
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:12] <ecn> so it's this hacky list so we don't have to join the many list from the zeo db against the mysql db
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:22] <ecn> so we make device groups a list w/vert bars:
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:23] <creiht> right
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:27] <creiht> ok
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:39] <ecn> |/foo|/bar|/silly
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:52] <creiht> My other modified alert rules seem to have come over fine
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:53] <ecn> so against a group should really include that bar
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:58] <ecn> whoo hoo!
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:16] <ecn> there are limits to what it can reproduce
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:20] <ecn> don't do this:
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:29] <ecn> 2 < severity
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:29] <creiht> hehe
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:31] <ecn> for example
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:32] <creiht> oh I'm sure
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:34] <creiht> laugh
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:35] <ecn> but who does that?
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:39] <ecn> crazy people
[02-Aug-2006 16:35:06] <creiht> And I'm so happy to see disk sizes in GB now rather than bytes
[02-Aug-2006 16:35:16] <ecn> it's the little things...
[02-Aug-2006 16:35:27] <creiht> It's often the little things that make a big... err heh
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[02-Aug-2006 16:37:05] <creiht> The other thing that will be awesome is when you can define one alert and assign that alert to several users
[02-Aug-2006 16:38:40] <ecn> were you interested in the nagios plugins?
[02-Aug-2006 16:39:35] <creiht> Not really... Though that sounds cool
[02-Aug-2006 16:41:58] <creiht> I'm also excited about the Maintenance Windows
[02-Aug-2006 16:42:34] <creiht> That will prevent a lot of spam, and endless text messages
[02-Aug-2006 16:42:37] <ecn> ya, our customers were very happy w/it
[02-Aug-2006 16:56:08] <korozion> can zenoss monitor a website, to see whether or not it's responding?
[02-Aug-2006 16:57:15] <ecn> yes, in a couple of ways... it will run nagios plugins now, so that will do the higher application-level checks
[02-Aug-2006 16:57:25] <ecn> it will monitor port 80...
[02-Aug-2006 16:57:34] <ecn> it will monitor performance via SNMP
[02-Aug-2006 16:58:13] <korozion> ahh, good to hear
[02-Aug-2006 16:58:14] <korozion> hrm
[02-Aug-2006 16:58:31] <korozion> can I assume that zenoss can completly replace my Nagios setup?
[02-Aug-2006 16:59:53] <ecn> I don't know.. never ran nagios
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:03] <ecn> I just did the plugin interface
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:17] <korozion>
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:20] <ecn> my guess is no, since we are not yet gathering performance data
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:30] <ecn> give us a week, though 8-)
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:38] <korozion> I really only monitored different servers and their processes with it
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:53] <korozion> that's all I need
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:58] <korozion> If something is broke, I need to know
[02-Aug-2006 17:01:06] <ecn> and you can get perf data via snmp, w/Zenoss
[02-Aug-2006 17:01:34] <korozion> nice
[02-Aug-2006 17:01:43] <korozion> I'm still learning zenoss, but I think it'll do what I want
[02-Aug-2006 17:02:00] <korozion> I like that it's python
[02-Aug-2006 17:02:06] <ecn> my completely unbiased answer is that it's the best network manager ever 8-)
[02-Aug-2006 17:02:13] <korozion> we do a lot of python work, and django work too
[02-Aug-2006 17:02:15] <korozion> heh
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[02-Aug-2006 17:03:24] <ecn> gotta go... send bug reports to the mailing list... I'll be on later
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[02-Aug-2006 17:07:50] * korozion wonders how to upgrade ...
[02-Aug-2006 17:08:58] <creiht> korozion: You should be able to run the install.sh script as the zenoss user and it will automatically upgrade
[02-Aug-2006 17:11:39] <creiht> korozion: And I bet you will be very pleased with zenoss
[02-Aug-2006 17:22:02] <korozion> Ooo, nice
[02-Aug-2006 17:22:04] <korozion> 1 sec
[02-Aug-2006 17:22:20] <korozion> err, so just download the new zenoss install then run install.sh ?
[02-Aug-2006 17:22:54] <korozion> and what is the new version, is it released as of now
[02-Aug-2006 17:25:37] <creiht> .22.0
[02-Aug-2006 17:25:40] <creiht> I think
[02-Aug-2006 17:25:57] <korozion> .21.1 is still listed on the web site, so I'll wait a few
[02-Aug-2006 17:26:11] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/zenoss-0.22
[02-Aug-2006 17:26:11] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss-0.22 - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-Aug-2006 17:26:11] <creiht> Has upgrade instructions
[02-Aug-2006 17:26:25] <korozion> nice, thanks
[02-Aug-2006 17:27:14] <creiht> download is
[02-Aug-2006 17:27:28] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.22.1.tar.gz
[02-Aug-2006 17:28:01] <creiht> I just upgraded, and it went pretty well, but it probably isn't a bad idea to wait a bit
[02-Aug-2006 17:28:09] <korozion>
[02-Aug-2006 17:28:19] <korozion> it's in a testing env. so no worries
[02-Aug-2006 17:28:47] <korozion> I like that you picked a different port
[02-Aug-2006 17:28:59] <korozion> I had to change the port manually because of my existing zope install
[02-Aug-2006 17:29:35] <korozion> I'd like to change the install script, based on Debian, so the packages are installed from apt, rather than source
[02-Aug-2006 17:30:13] <creiht> I'm not a dev... just another user
[02-Aug-2006 17:30:45] <creiht> There was a guy that was working on on a debian package
[02-Aug-2006 17:30:52] <creiht> I'm not sure what happened to that though
[02-Aug-2006 17:31:08] <korozion> last I heard, they needed more help
[02-Aug-2006 17:31:18] <korozion> I was just going to try it, document it, and submit it
[02-Aug-2006 17:31:49] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006 17:34:36] <korozion> however, it's summer and hot
[02-Aug-2006 17:34:39] <korozion> so there's beer
[02-Aug-2006 17:34:48] <korozion> therefor my productivity is low
[02-Aug-2006 17:34:56] <creiht> hehe
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[03-Aug-2006 10:38:00] <aurel> hello help
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[03-Aug-2006 10:58:11] <creiht> aurel: What do you need help with?
[03-Aug-2006 11:15:49] <aurel> mm
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:08] <aurel> still the same questions
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:17] <aurel> monitoring processes and services
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:27] <aurel> services i know i have to use zenwin
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:31] <aurel> but processes
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:38] <aurel> regex seems not ok for me
[03-Aug-2006 11:17:35] <aurel>
[03-Aug-2006 11:32:40] <aurel> where can we find the results of zenwin ?
[03-Aug-2006 11:32:42] <aurel> please
[03-Aug-2006 11:33:37] <creiht> aurel: Oh sorry... I don't use that part so I'm not much hellp there
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[03-Aug-2006 14:42:22] <creiht> aurel: If you are still here... I actually started monitoring processes on a windows box today
[03-Aug-2006 14:42:41] <creiht> The process that I wanted to monitor was called dllhost.exe
[03-Aug-2006 14:42:53] <creiht> So I created a new process called dllhost.exe
[03-Aug-2006 14:43:16] <creiht> I recollected the configuration of the windows box
[03-Aug-2006 14:43:45] <creiht> And now under the OS tab, I have an OS Processes section
[03-Aug-2006 14:43:53] <creiht> Which shows the dllhost.exe
[03-Aug-2006 14:44:03] <creiht> And when I click on it, I see the performance graphs
[03-Aug-2006 14:56:09] <Raul> Anyone know if I can have discover organize by devices for me based on the OS that is installed, rather than haviing them all go into "Discoverd"?
[03-Aug-2006 14:56:33] <edahl> raul: not today
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[03-Aug-2006 15:56:32] <creiht> edahl: I just ran into something that is a little confusing at first
[03-Aug-2006 15:56:56] <creiht> I'm monitoring several processes now on windows boxes
[03-Aug-2006 15:57:15] <creiht> And some of them are using hardly any CPU, but the values show up as
[03-Aug-2006 15:57:34] <creiht> cur:71.35m avg:20.96m max:98.36m
[03-Aug-2006 15:58:01] <creiht> At first I didn't notice the m at the end, and thought the graphs were not showing up for some reason
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[03-Aug-2006 15:58:31] <creiht> It would be nicer to show something like .07 % instead
[03-Aug-2006 15:58:56] <creiht> edahl_: hehe... Well I'm guessing now that you missed everything that I just typed in
[03-Aug-2006 15:59:52] <edahl_> yep
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[03-Aug-2006 15:59:59] <edahl_> internet died
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:07] <creiht> creiht: edahl: I just ran into something that is a little confusing at first
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:07] <creiht> [2:56pm] creiht: I'm monitoring several processes now on windows boxes
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:07] <creiht> [2:57pm] creiht: And some of them are using hardly any CPU, but the values show up as
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:07] <creiht> [2:57pm] creiht: cur:71.35m avg:20.96m max:98.36m
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:08] <creiht> [2:58pm] creiht: At first I didn't notice the m at the end, and thought the graphs were not showing up for some reason
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:22] <creiht> creiht: It would be nicer to show something like .07 % instead
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:36] <edahl_> yes that is an rrd thing
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:50] <creiht> ahhh
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:52] <edahl_> not sure how to stop it
[03-Aug-2006 16:01:14] <creiht> gotcha... It's not a real biggie, just a bit confusing at first
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[03-Aug-2006 16:01:57] <edahl_> yes
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[03-Aug-2006 18:23:45] <landonf> Howdy
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[04-Aug-2006 00:02:42] <Raul> aaaauugh, I created an rrd template with 30 datasources and 5 graphs which are only applicable to one specif devices. Now I need to re-ip the device, there doesn't seem to be a way to re-ip and a device or transfer an rrd template to a new device. What can I do?
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[04-Aug-2006 09:49:20] <rputzler> I'd like to integrate my Inventory Control system and CRM systems with zenoss. Is the database schema available? Internal database is used I don't see much being stored in mysql.
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[04-Aug-2006 11:07:46] <creiht> edahl: So another interesting problem.... I'm monitoring a process on a windows box, and part of the parameter list is a process identifier for another process
[04-Aug-2006 11:08:01] <creiht> Thus each time it restarts the "fingerprint" for the process changes
[04-Aug-2006 11:08:26] <creiht> And I have to re-collect the device to get it to get the new process
[04-Aug-2006 11:08:47] <edahl> yuck
[04-Aug-2006 11:08:57] <creiht> yeah
[04-Aug-2006 11:09:26] <creiht> The process looks like:
[04-Aug-2006 11:09:27] <creiht> w3wp.exe -a \\.\pipe\iisipm87ea3d23-d50e-4ae8-883c-a9e0c7c38f74 -t 20 -ap "DefaultAppPool"
[04-Aug-2006 11:09:29] <edahl> not sure how to fix that
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:18] <edahl> can it be identified without the args
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:26] <creiht> yeah
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:34] <creiht> it's just w3wp.exe
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:47] <edahl> ok I will put a bug in for an option to match only process name
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:57] <creiht> that would be cool
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:59] <creiht> thanks
[04-Aug-2006 11:12:19] <edahl> #236
[04-Aug-2006 11:13:50] <rputzler> Is there any thing in zenoss that makes monitoring switches easy? I'd like to get port statistics on all my switches.
[04-Aug-2006 11:15:14] <edahl> should work
[04-Aug-2006 11:16:05] <edahl> rputzler: from earlier question model is stored in zeo "schema" files are in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel
[04-Aug-2006 11:17:15] <rputzler> Thanks!
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[04-Aug-2006 12:20:16] <jeffneradka> does anyone know what "localhost zenagios /Status/Heartbeat localhost zenagios heartbeat failure" means? i searched the mail list and didnt find it
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[04-Aug-2006 12:37:29] <giesen> I cant load any mib files
[04-Aug-2006 12:37:34] <giesen> can anyone help me out
[04-Aug-2006 12:40:44] <rputzler> bin/zenmib <mib file> worked for me.
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[04-Aug-2006 13:27:56] <giesen> yeah I get errors
[04-Aug-2006 13:28:27] <giesen> zenoss@netmon01 /data/zenoss/share/mibs/site $ zenmib run CPQCMC-MIB.mib
[04-Aug-2006 13:28:27] <giesen> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Failed to load mib: CPQCMC-MIB.mib
[04-Aug-2006 13:29:22] <giesen> tried it with 3 diff mib files
[04-Aug-2006 13:29:31] <giesen> so either I'm doing something systematically wrong
[04-Aug-2006 13:29:33] <giesen> or it's broken.
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[04-Aug-2006 14:23:35] <landonf> Mornin'
[04-Aug-2006 14:23:56] <landonf> edahl: Around?
[04-Aug-2006 14:25:46] <edahl> yep
[04-Aug-2006 14:26:48] <landonf> Howdy. So Jonathan (fellow on my team working on the xmlrpc stuff) has something that's working, needs a bit of cleanup. We're using it to monitor our game server load now.
[04-Aug-2006 14:27:00] <edahl> cool
[04-Aug-2006 14:27:06] <landonf> The next thing on my list to look at is implementing LDAP authentication, was wondering if you had any thoughts on that front.
[04-Aug-2006 14:27:23] <edahl> should be zope products that do this
[04-Aug-2006 14:27:27] <edahl> I haven't done it yet
[04-Aug-2006 14:28:04] <landonf> eg http://sourceforge.net/projects/zldapadapter/ ?
[04-Aug-2006 14:28:04] <adytum-bot> Title: SourceForge.net: ZOPE LDAP adapter product (at sourceforge.net)
[04-Aug-2006 14:29:09] <edahl> looks a little old
[04-Aug-2006 14:29:25] <edahl> but that's what you want
[04-Aug-2006 14:29:51] <edahl> might ask on zope-dev what the solution is
[04-Aug-2006 14:30:50] <landonf> Amiditly this is the first zope-based project I've ever even looked at, so apologies for dumb questions.
[04-Aug-2006 14:34:41] <oubiwann_> landonf: I did LDAP authentication a couple years ago for a client that was running Zope
[04-Aug-2006 14:34:57] <oubiwann> it was really straight-forward
[04-Aug-2006 14:35:14] <oubiwann> I even had it authenticating against AD
[04-Aug-2006 14:35:33] <oubiwann> edahl is right: there's a Zope product for this
[04-Aug-2006 14:36:23] <landonf> Didn't realize that authentication business could drop in, I was truthfully gearing up to write some code.
[04-Aug-2006 14:36:25] <oubiwann> if I remember correctly, the product extends the Group User Folder in Zope
[04-Aug-2006 14:37:32] <oubiwann> so basically all you have to do is make the appropriate entries in the ZMI management screen for your LDAP stuff
[04-Aug-2006 14:45:31] <oubiwann> I'm not sure if this is the one I used, but it should probably do what you want:
[04-Aug-2006 14:45:51] <oubiwann> http://plone.org/products/ldapuserfolder
[04-Aug-2006 14:46:38] <landonf> Cheers, I'll take a look. Need to do some more reading on Zope too.
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[04-Aug-2006 14:53:35] <oubiwann> landonf: the quick and dirty would be to download the LDAP User Folder product, untar it and put the Products folder and restart zope
[04-Aug-2006 14:53:45] <leplast> edahl: I have a good first draft of the xmlrpc perf code
[04-Aug-2006 14:53:51] <edahl> cool
[04-Aug-2006 14:54:05] <leplast> a few questions re: status
[04-Aug-2006 14:54:07] <oubiwann> landonf: then you'd need to go to the ZMI and work with it there
[04-Aug-2006 14:54:29] <edahl> ok
[04-Aug-2006 14:54:30] <leplast> it looks like the right move would be to have an eventClass of /Status/XmlRpc for xmlrpc threshold events
[04-Aug-2006 14:55:03] <leplast> rather /Perf/XmlRpc
[04-Aug-2006 14:55:05] <edahl> i'm actually going to add a field to rrdtheshold to input the class I thihnk
[04-Aug-2006 14:55:31] <edahl> are you tracking time series data or just up/down
[04-Aug-2006 14:56:02] <leplast> so the question is how to handle /Status.. it looks like this is more a device specific event, so I am thinking that /Status/Ping or /Status/Snmp might just continue to work for xmlrpc
[04-Aug-2006 14:56:42] <leplast> so the way we have implemented so far, is that RRD data sources now have a sourcetype
[04-Aug-2006 14:56:46] <leplast> either SNMP or XMLRPC
[04-Aug-2006 14:56:48] <edahl> /Status is for up/down events
[04-Aug-2006 14:57:06] <edahl> right
[04-Aug-2006 14:57:16] <leplast> and then for xmlrpc we have a url
[04-Aug-2006 14:57:18] <leplast> and a methodname
[04-Aug-2006 14:57:38] <leplast> so the results of an xml query might not necessarily be tied to the actual device
[04-Aug-2006 14:57:57] <leplast> as the url could potentially be associated with another device. I mean most people will be using URLs associated with the actual device
[04-Aug-2006 14:58:14] <leplast> but a lack of response from a URL doesn't necessarily mean the device is down
[04-Aug-2006 14:58:53] <leplast> so then a status event for an xmlrpc url would actually mean that that url was not accessible/down
[04-Aug-2006 14:58:56] <leplast> not the actual device
[04-Aug-2006 14:59:07] <leplast> so what makes the most sense in terms of how to send that alert?
[04-Aug-2006 15:01:57] <landonf> The conversation we had here was that even if you can point URLs at different devices, if you do such a thing, you're off in the woods and it's not our concern. IMHO a lack of response on a URL that is attached to device signals a down event.
[04-Aug-2006 15:02:30] <edahl> /Status/XmlRpc sounds good for up/down of url
[04-Aug-2006 15:02:44] <leplast> alright sounds good
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:16] <edahl> are you logging data from calls to rrd files?
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:21] <edahl> return data that is
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:24] <leplast> yes
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:33] <edahl> are you going to have thresholds on that?
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:36] <edahl> data
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:38] <leplast> yes
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:40] <edahl> cool
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:48] <leplast> I used zenperfsnmp as the model
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:52] <edahl> perfect
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:44] <edahl> is it called zenperfx
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:45] <edahl> ?
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:46] <edahl>
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:51] <leplast> zenperfxmlrpc
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:55] <edahl> sound sgood
[04-Aug-2006 15:05:17] <leplast> but wordy, but specific
[04-Aug-2006 15:05:20] <leplast> er bit
[04-Aug-2006 15:07:09] <landonf> One other problem we're not immediately addressing is that a given XMLRPC method might return more than a single numeric value. We were considering a plugin interface -- the plugin is passed the result of the XML-RPC method call, and it's up to the plugin to return a simple value.
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[04-Aug-2006 15:18:18] <giesen> edahl: I'm having issues loading MIB files with zenmib
[04-Aug-2006 15:18:26] <giesen> any chance you could spare a couple mins?
[04-Aug-2006 15:18:58] <giesen> zenoss@netmon01 /data/zenoss/share/mibs/site $ zenmib run
[04-Aug-2006 15:19:23] <giesen> zenoss@netmon01 /data/zenoss/share/mibs/site $ zenmib run CPQCMC-MIB.mib
[04-Aug-2006 15:19:27] <giesen> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Failed to load mib: CPQCMC-MIB.mib
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[04-Aug-2006 15:24:59] <edahl> landonf: we had that problem with nagios as well that's why we didn't do the perf stuff for nagios plugins
[04-Aug-2006 15:25:07] <edahl> which can have more than one return value
[04-Aug-2006 15:25:19] <edahl> need to go to a meeting but we should discuss more
[04-Aug-2006 16:09:16] <landonf> OK (back from lunch)
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[05-Aug-2006 23:14:34] <overworked554> hello
[05-Aug-2006 23:21:15] <overworked554> how can i change the email address that alerts are sent from?
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[06-Aug-2006 10:40:52] <Steven6040> hey, I have a problem with zenwin - http://rafb.net/paste/results/UBtxOi94.html anyone got any ideas?
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[06-Aug-2006 15:00:56] <giesen> how the heck do you use the new nagios plugin functionality
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[07-Aug-2006 05:08:01] <asaf> hello everyone
[07-Aug-2006 05:10:11] <benzopila> hello
[07-Aug-2006 05:11:36] <asaf> i have been looking for a good NMS and i think Zenoss fits the bill
[07-Aug-2006 05:13:27] <asaf> any idea about the hardware resource requirements to manage a large network
[07-Aug-2006 05:14:56] <benzopila> how mach large?
[07-Aug-2006 05:16:25] <asaf> say 1000 nodes
[07-Aug-2006 05:16:31] <asaf> heterogenous
[07-Aug-2006 05:16:47] <asaf> any idea on server memory sizing? other resources
[07-Aug-2006 05:18:22] <benzopila> i'm trying to set up zenoss at server whis Intel Xeon in, for ~ 4000-4500 hosts and 50-70 nodes( switches, routers and servers)
[07-Aug-2006 05:20:15] <benzopila> I realy don't know how it will work (:
[07-Aug-2006 05:24:16] <asaf> hmmm...need to visit the mail archives to see details
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[07-Aug-2006 09:43:35] <GreesMunky> what is version number of new release?
[07-Aug-2006 09:45:02] <GreesMunky> ps ax
[07-Aug-2006 09:51:39] <zaf> 0.22.1
[07-Aug-2006 09:51:52] *** zaf changes topic to "new Zenoss release today! || Current Version: 0.22.1"
[07-Aug-2006 09:52:03] <GreesMunky> Thanks ;-)
[07-Aug-2006 09:57:58] <edahl> giesen: there are some docs in the admin guide for the nagios stuff
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[07-Aug-2006 10:31:33] <dhopp> I keep getting a heartbeat failure for zenagios but $ZENHOME/bin/zenagios status says it's running and I can see it in out put of ps
[07-Aug-2006 10:32:05] <dhopp> I'm not using zenagios yet, but it's kind of annoying so I'm trying to figure out why this is happening
[07-Aug-2006 10:43:51] <GreesMunky> I have installed zenoss. According to the docs I should do a zenping start but it errors out
[07-Aug-2006 10:51:45] <dhopp> GreesMunky: have you setup sudo? zenping has to be run as root
[07-Aug-2006 10:52:42] <GreesMunky> de documentation is a little lacking with regard to sudoers
[07-Aug-2006 10:53:09] <GreesMunky> /usr/local/zenoss/bin/python,/bin/kill,/usr/local/
[07-Aug-2006 10:53:10] <GreesMunky> zenoss/bin/zopectl,/usr/local/zenoss/bin/zeoctl
[07-Aug-2006 10:53:26] <GreesMunky> is what I have in sudoers
[07-Aug-2006 10:54:17] <GreesMunky> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/zenping.py", line 22, in ?
[07-Aug-2006 10:54:19] <GreesMunky> import Globals # make zope imports work
[07-Aug-2006 10:54:20] <GreesMunky> ImportError: No module named Globals
[07-Aug-2006 10:54:48] <GreesMunky> zenping gives above error after adjusting sudoers file
[07-Aug-2006 10:55:26] <GreesMunky> gotta run. 5 o clock here and time for the train
[07-Aug-2006 10:55:30] <GreesMunky> later all
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[07-Aug-2006 11:32:29] <stuart_> hullo, I've got the vmware image of zenoss. But on connection via a web browser on port 8080 its asking for a username and passwd. I've tried zenoss with no luck. Anything else I can try?
[07-Aug-2006 11:34:08] <stuart_> anyone?
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[07-Aug-2006 13:37:04] <gumpa> Howdy. I have nothing listed in zport/dmd/Manufacturers, and zenload -i ../manufacturers.xml hangs
[07-Aug-2006 13:37:26] <gumpa> troubleshooting suggestions?
[07-Aug-2006 13:46:17] <gumpa> zenload hangs -> ctrl-c -> message: INFO:zen.ImportRM:Daemon ImportRM shutting down
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[07-Aug-2006 16:10:25] <edahl> stuart_: login is admin : zenoss
[07-Aug-2006 16:11:03] <edahl> gumpa: run zenload with -v10 you will get output as to what its doing.
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[07-Aug-2006 16:17:21] <fsweetser> hey all. I'm currently using nagios, but I've gotten frustrated with it's very simple dependencies. what kind of dependency relationships cna zenoss handle?
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[07-Aug-2006 17:11:12] <arne2> anyone here?
[07-Aug-2006 17:12:35] <steven_> im trying to install zenoss 0.21.0 but i get errors when it's compiling zope in AccessControl any ideas ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:13:18] <steven_> id paste the specific errors but i can't seem to get on to pastebin ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:13:24] <steven_> yet
[07-Aug-2006 17:13:51] <arne2> I'm installing zenoss on fc5 ... I get 'unable to install MySQL event tables'
[07-Aug-2006 17:14:12] <steven_> maybe a mysql permission problem ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:14:29] <arne2> any ideas? I think it's a mysql5.22 issue...but not sure
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:00] <steven_> mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.22, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.1
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:08] <steven_> mine worked fine past that stage
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:18] <arne2> on fc5?
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:38] <steven_> no but i would guess it wasn't a distribution problem
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:55] <steven_> try and see if it created the database at all ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:16:07] <arne2> yes it creats events
[07-Aug-2006 17:16:35] <steven_> does it create a zenbuild.log file with output maybe that will lead to clues ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:17:05] <steven_> i gotta go but ill be back trying to fix my error lol
[07-Aug-2006 17:17:07] <arne2> yes the last 2 lines are here...
[07-Aug-2006 17:17:10] <arne2> ERROR 1359 (HY000) at line 79: Trigger already exists
[07-Aug-2006 17:17:11] <arne2> ERROR 1146 (42S02) at line 4: Table 'mysql.proc' doesn't exist
[07-Aug-2006 17:17:49] <steven_> All i can say quickly is look at the code in the install.sh file that creates mysql.proc table and try to run it manually
[07-Aug-2006 17:18:00] <steven_> l8rs
[07-Aug-2006 17:18:05] <arne2> thx!
[07-Aug-2006 17:22:16] <arne2> hello everyone
[07-Aug-2006 17:22:19] <arne2> ?
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[07-Aug-2006 17:38:22] <arne2> I find an error about sudoer ... perhaps it's that..
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[07-Aug-2006 17:54:28] <arne2> nope
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[07-Aug-2006 18:03:05] <arne2> ERROR 1146 (42S02) at line 4: Table 'mysql.proc' doesn't exist
[07-Aug-2006 18:03:08] <arne2> anyone
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[08-Aug-2006 03:49:05] <giesen> you guys may want to update the link to the release notes on the download page
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[08-Aug-2006 12:25:00] <arne2> anyone there...?
[08-Aug-2006 12:25:16] <arne2> my install does this...
[08-Aug-2006 12:25:32] <arne2> unable to install MySQL event tables
[08-Aug-2006 12:28:10] <oubiwann> arne2: are you on the zenoss users mail list?
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[08-Aug-2006 12:33:24] <arne2> nope
[08-Aug-2006 12:33:42] <arne2> here I go...
[08-Aug-2006 12:36:39] <oubiwann> arne2: cool, here's the reason I asked:
[08-Aug-2006 12:37:06] <oubiwann> arne2: you need to send us (as an attachment) your zenbuild.log file
[08-Aug-2006 12:52:00] <arne2> ok... here's the last 2 lines
[08-Aug-2006 12:52:04] <arne2> ERROR 1359 (HY000) at line 79: Trigger already exists
[08-Aug-2006 12:52:04] <arne2> ERROR 1146 (42S02) at line 4: Table 'mysql.proc' doesn't exist
[08-Aug-2006 12:52:19] <arne2> it's a FC5 all yummed up
[08-Aug-2006 12:53:00] <arne2> seems to be a mysql thing... maybe a bug..
[08-Aug-2006 12:55:20] <arne2> all paths seems to point to the ENGINE=INNODB; line in zenevents.sql
[08-Aug-2006 12:55:48] <oubiwann> what version of mysql are you using?
[08-Aug-2006 12:56:15] <oubiwann> also, could you send the zenbuild.log to the mail list?
[08-Aug-2006 13:03:11] <arne2> Server version 5.0.22
[08-Aug-2006 13:03:12] <arne2> Protocol version 10
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[08-Aug-2006 14:03:59] <arne2> ok i posted to the use zenoss-user mail list
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[08-Aug-2006 14:12:59] <socialist> I may be missing this in the docs, but is there a way to bulk-add devices, like a mass import or subnet scan?
[08-Aug-2006 14:13:31] <socialist> oh duh I think I found it
[08-Aug-2006 14:13:47] <socialist> nevermind, found it
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[08-Aug-2006 15:27:35] <arne2> hmm... I don't see my post on the list...
[08-Aug-2006 15:35:59] <oubiwann> arne2: neither do I ;-)
[08-Aug-2006 15:43:33] <arne2> hmmm must be the attachment...
[08-Aug-2006 15:43:54] <arne2> if I include the log it'll be pretty big post...
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[08-Aug-2006 15:55:35] <arne2> ok i did the post...
[08-Aug-2006 15:55:48] <arne2> and I see it in the list...
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[08-Aug-2006 16:56:15] <socialist> are "twsnmp.protocol Bad response from...." errors seomthing to worry about?
[08-Aug-2006 16:56:45] <socialist> warnings I should say
[08-Aug-2006 16:56:59] <ecn> yes... it means that the program cannot decipher the SNMP data
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:15] <ecn> are they coming from a 64-bit machine?
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:16] <socialist> hm, why would that be
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:19] <socialist> yes
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:28] <ecn> bingo... broken SNMP agent
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:41] <ecn> sending us nice 64-bit IP addresses
[08-Aug-2006 16:58:07] <ecn> there's a patch to make some of these go away in the next release
[08-Aug-2006 16:58:13] <socialist> hm so that would explain the subsequent modeler timeout?
[08-Aug-2006 16:58:19] <ecn> I've sent it out in the mailing list if you want to go through the archives
[08-Aug-2006 16:58:23] <ecn> yes
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:00] <socialist> what was the subject? I was looking around before but I didn't see anything
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:08] <socialist> oh wait, users or annouce?
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:37] <ecn> bad protocol error
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:41] <ecn> -users
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:57] <socialist> got it, thanks
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[08-Aug-2006 17:04:38] <socialist> holy monkeycrap
[08-Aug-2006 17:04:44] <socialist> yeah that works a little better
[08-Aug-2006 17:05:11] <ecn> holy monkeycrap: yeah that works a little better
[08-Aug-2006 17:05:19] <ecn> best thing I've heard all day
[08-Aug-2006 17:05:31] <socialist> harhar
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[08-Aug-2006 22:54:27] <Shazburg> Good evenin'. Anyone got a sec for a quick question?
[08-Aug-2006 23:06:50] <Shazburg> Wait! Hold your responses: I've solved it myself.
[08-Aug-2006 23:07:32] <Shazburg> For the record (if this is being logged), the install notes make no mention that subversion must be installed regardless of whether you install from the tarball or from a trunk checkout.
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[09-Aug-2006 02:35:28] <benzopila> hello!
[09-Aug-2006 02:39:10] <benzopila> servises zenxevent, zenping, zensyslog, zenactions, zenstatus, zentrap don't want to start by "./zenoss start". Anybody know?
[09-Aug-2006 02:39:43] <benzopila> they are in sudoers file, but they don't want to start
[09-Aug-2006 02:40:39] <benzopila> zopectl, zenmodeler, zenperfsnmp, zenprocess, zenagios started good
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[09-Aug-2006 06:08:03] <benzopila> hi!
[09-Aug-2006 06:08:29] <benzopila> have anybody started zenoss on FreeBSD?
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[09-Aug-2006 09:25:03] <jeffneradka> hi, i have a quick question please
[09-Aug-2006 09:25:13] <jeffneradka> i have a server, where some development is going on, and they are messing with the smtp. I would like to stop being notified of that service going up and down, but i can not find where i can set an ignore just for that 1 service on that 1 machine
[09-Aug-2006 09:25:26] <jeffneradka> but i cant see where to make t hat setting
[09-Aug-2006 09:26:46] <jeffneradka> ahhh i found it, nevermind
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[09-Aug-2006 13:11:01] <Shazburg> Anyone in here this time?
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[09-Aug-2006 13:14:07] <Shazburg> Any pointers on why graphviz might fail to compile?
[09-Aug-2006 13:14:41] <Shazburg> Anyone? Anyone? Voodoo economics.
[09-Aug-2006 13:23:23] <oubiwann> Shazburg: there are a million reasons why a compile would fail ;-)
[09-Aug-2006 13:23:50] <oubiwann> Shazburg: but for us to help, we'll need more details
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:18] <oubiwann> Shazburg: you can paste erros and script output here:
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:29] <oubiwann> http://pastebin.adytum.us/
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:30] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:41] <Shazburg> Of course. And thanks for responding.
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:57] <oubiwann> and you can send your zenbuild.log to the mail list, if needed
[09-Aug-2006 13:26:23] <Shazburg> I did just find a similar posting on the mailing list that I'd overlooked before. I'm going to run with that for the moment and see how that pans out.
[09-Aug-2006 13:26:34] <oubiwann> also, you may want to check out these messages on the mail list:
[09-Aug-2006 13:26:48] <oubiwann> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001098.html
[09-Aug-2006 13:27:17] <oubiwann> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001102.html
[09-Aug-2006 13:27:31] <Shazburg> That first one! That's my problem!
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[09-Aug-2006 13:28:48] <oubiwann> Shazburg: cool -- then that should take care of it for you ;-)
[09-Aug-2006 13:29:10] <Shazburg> Thank you very much.
[09-Aug-2006 13:29:25] <oubiwann> np ;-)
[09-Aug-2006 13:39:09] <Shazburg> Am I correct in thinking that Zenoss is built on nagios?
[09-Aug-2006 13:39:31] <oubiwann> no! not at all, thank goodness!
[09-Aug-2006 13:39:46] <oubiwann> we've just recently added support for nagios plugins, though
[09-Aug-2006 13:40:00] <Shazburg> Ah.
[09-Aug-2006 13:40:17] <oubiwann> I think it's fair to say that zenoss is far more scalable than nagios
[09-Aug-2006 13:40:27] <Shazburg> That's why there's the "nagios" and "nagios-plugins" compiles.
[09-Aug-2006 13:40:41] <oubiwann> and provides a much more comprehensive set of tools for managing network resources
[09-Aug-2006 13:41:03] <oubiwann> Shazburg: yup -- just there for the Nagios plugins support
[09-Aug-2006 13:41:14] <Shazburg> I'm really looking forward to running Zenoss. I've used nagios before and was always frustrated by the configuration method.
[09-Aug-2006 13:41:24] <oubiwann> heh, indeed
[09-Aug-2006 13:45:12] <Shazburg> Now if I'm reading these mail posts right, I should just run ./install again once graphviz is finished compiling, correct?
[09-Aug-2006 13:46:15] <Shazburg> Or should I "make clean" first?
[09-Aug-2006 13:46:41] <oubiwann> no need to make clean
[09-Aug-2006 13:46:47] <Shazburg> Groovy.
[09-Aug-2006 14:19:01] <zaf> would it be a good idea to make a new production state for devices that are production, but non-critical? for example, printers that I have collected from snmp?
[09-Aug-2006 14:20:39] <zaf> .....and how would i do that? heh
[09-Aug-2006 14:21:08] <oubiwann> zaf: it's my understanding that the production state of the boxes is metadata intended to facilitate SLAs, but Erik is the one that came up with that originally, so he can speak to that
[09-Aug-2006 14:22:06] <oubiwann> zaf: so it really depends on the business model... you have printers that are "production"?
[09-Aug-2006 14:22:31] <zaf> i'm monitoring networks that belong to many companies
[09-Aug-2006 14:23:00] <zaf> i want to be alerted when things like servers and firewalls go down, but i dont care about printers. it's nice having the printers in there to see their stats, etc, though
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[09-Aug-2006 14:25:11] <zaf> in general, i want to be able to make certain devices more important than others
[09-Aug-2006 14:25:11] <oubiwann> zaf: for me personally, I'd not put them in production state... regardless, this goes back to your question :-) and yes, I think it's a good idea to separate into a different "prod state"
[09-Aug-2006 14:26:09] <zaf> i agree there. it just seems to be that there should be different levfels of production state
[09-Aug-2006 14:26:17] <zaf> er, levels
[09-Aug-2006 14:26:29] <oubiwann> zaf: have you considered using Groups?
[09-Aug-2006 14:26:43] <oubiwann> and/or Systems?
[09-Aug-2006 14:26:52] <zaf> hmm
[09-Aug-2006 14:27:05] <zaf> that's worth thinking about
[09-Aug-2006 14:27:07] <oubiwann> All of these (even the prod state) are on the Device Edit tab
[09-Aug-2006 14:27:35] <zaf> is there any real difference between 'group' and 'system' other than different ways of organizing things?
[09-Aug-2006 14:28:11] <oubiwann> I'm not sure what Erik had in mind exactly when he added those, but they are blank canvases and I think you can pretty much do what ever you want with them
[09-Aug-2006 14:28:44] <zaf> i'll give that a try, thanks
[09-Aug-2006 14:28:45] <oubiwann> given the little that I know about your setup, I might use the "Systems" one over the "Groups"
[09-Aug-2006 14:29:19] <zaf> what i'm thinking of doing is using Groups to categorize how important I think a device's status is
[09-Aug-2006 14:29:39] <oubiwann> that sounds great :-)
[09-Aug-2006 14:29:46] <zaf> a printer or pc will be very low, a branch office firewall will be higher, and a central vpn concentrator will be highest
[09-Aug-2006 14:38:35] <zaf> now i need a way to bulk-edit all these devices, heh
[09-Aug-2006 14:45:03] <zaf> are there any docs on using zendmd?
[09-Aug-2006 15:04:00] <oubiwann> zaf: I actually don't know
[09-Aug-2006 15:04:08] <oubiwann> but I do know a little about it
[09-Aug-2006 15:04:21] <oubiwann> I use it for testing, so feel free to ask questions
[09-Aug-2006 15:04:29] <oubiwann> and I'll do my best to answer :-)
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[09-Aug-2006 15:33:39] <zaf> hrm
[09-Aug-2006 15:33:45] <zaf> hrm
[09-Aug-2006 15:34:06] <zaf> erik may know
[09-Aug-2006 15:34:24] <zaf> edahl, is there any way to bulk-change the group membership of devices
[09-Aug-2006 15:35:20] <zaf> like in zendmd, could i modify the properties of a device?
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[09-Aug-2006 16:24:07] <jeffneradka> do you recommend disabling sun's snmp daemons and installing net-snmp or some other agent? im getting alot of bad oid messages on the default perf oid
[09-Aug-2006 16:42:46] <edahl> zaf: you can modify properties of a device in zendmd
[09-Aug-2006 16:42:59] <edahl> be carefull though you can mess things up
[09-Aug-2006 16:43:08] <edahl> you must commit after changes
[09-Aug-2006 16:43:09] <zaf> including the group it's in?
[09-Aug-2006 16:43:35] <edahl> yes one sec for example
[09-Aug-2006 16:44:59] <edahl> d=find('yourdevice')
[09-Aug-2006 16:45:31] <edahl> d.setGroups(["/Group1","/Group2"])
[09-Aug-2006 16:45:50] <edahl> for all devices call dmd.Devices.getSubDevices()
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[09-Aug-2006 16:46:02] <edahl> ie
[09-Aug-2006 16:46:09] <edahl> for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices()
[09-Aug-2006 16:46:53] <edahl> jeffneradka: we have a default template for net-snmp
[09-Aug-2006 16:47:06] <jeffneradka> right, thats why i was thinking of putting it on the sun boxes
[09-Aug-2006 16:47:08] <edahl> so that's a good bet (I think its pretty good on solaris)
[09-Aug-2006 16:47:13] <jeffneradka> ok
[09-Aug-2006 16:47:22] <edahl> I haven't done this in a while though
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[09-Aug-2006 16:59:45] <zaf> no
[09-Aug-2006 16:59:52] <GreesMunky> sorry, typo
[09-Aug-2006 17:00:03] <GreesMunky> it wasn't a request/recommendation!
[09-Aug-2006 17:00:08] <zaf> i know
[09-Aug-2006 17:00:16] <zaf> just thought it would be funny to say no
[09-Aug-2006 17:01:13] <GreesMunky> it would be a good reason to kick under normal circumstances...
[09-Aug-2006 17:11:58] <zaf> edahl, is there somewhere I can see how devices are addressed?
[09-Aug-2006 17:12:30] <edahl> hum what do you mean?
[09-Aug-2006 17:12:51] <zaf> for example, how would i query all devices under Devices/Printer ?
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:14] <edahl> for d in dmd.Devices.Printer.getSubDevices()
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:23] <edahl> will loop through all devices in Devices/Printer
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:31] <edahl> in zendmd
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:42] <zaf> ah, ha!
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:49] <zaf> cool
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:06] <edahl> you can call it anywhere in the devices tree
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:15] <edahl> to get the devices list from that point
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:39] <edahl> got to jump
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:48] <zaf> k, i'll start from here. thanks
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:53] <edahl> cool
[09-Aug-2006 17:20:11] <oubiwann> zaf: also, there's a generator version of that method:
[09-Aug-2006 17:20:18] <oubiwann> getSubDevicesGen()
[09-Aug-2006 17:20:34] <zaf> that 'find()' command, does it just find the first one, or is that some sort of list?
[09-Aug-2006 17:20:40] <oubiwann> in case there are thousands of them and you want to save memory, etc.
[09-Aug-2006 17:22:04] <Shazburg_> oubiwann: Could you post that link for posting debug output again? I've switched computers and forgot to bookmark it.
[09-Aug-2006 17:22:22] <oubiwann> yeah, beb
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[09-Aug-2006 17:28:23] <zaf> i get a syntax error with for d in dmd.Devices.Printer.getSubDevices()
[09-Aug-2006 17:29:35] * zaf should learn python
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[09-Aug-2006 17:42:14] <oubiwann> crap, sorry -- that took longer than I thought
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[09-Aug-2006 17:42:22] <Shazburg_> No worries.
[09-Aug-2006 17:42:41] <oubiwann> Shazburg_: sure thing, here's the url:
[09-Aug-2006 17:42:52] <oubiwann> http://pastebin.adytum.us/
[09-Aug-2006 17:42:52] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 17:43:13] <oubiwann> zaf: find() gets only one
[09-Aug-2006 17:43:20] <Shazburg_> Thank you.
[09-Aug-2006 17:43:39] <oubiwann> zaf and about that code, Erik never finished typing it to you :-)
[09-Aug-2006 17:43:58] <oubiwann> it should be
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:00] <oubiwann> or d in dmd.Devices.Printer.getSubDevices():
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:02] <oubiwann> crap
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:06] <oubiwann> for d in dmd.Devices.Printer.getSubDevices():
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:16] <oubiwann> print d
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:24] <oubiwann> # or do whatever else you want with d
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:38] <oubiwann> the indents are important, if you're not familiar with python
[09-Aug-2006 17:46:51] <oubiwann> hey fellas, I gotta run out to the store and buy a car battery... and then bring it back home in my backpack on my bike :-)
[09-Aug-2006 17:46:55] <Shazburg_> Can anyone point me in the right direction for this: http://pastebin.adytum.us/75
[09-Aug-2006 17:46:55] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 17:47:04] <oubiwann> Housemate killed the car battery
[09-Aug-2006 17:47:21] <oubiwann> Shazburg_: I'll take a quick look, then I gotta go
[09-Aug-2006 17:47:38] <Shazburg_> Groovy! Thank you.
[09-Aug-2006 17:48:13] <oubiwann> Oh, man Eric saw this one recently and Erik (edahl) figured it out... what was it...
[09-Aug-2006 17:48:38] <Shazburg_> Was it on the mailing list?
[09-Aug-2006 17:48:53] <oubiwann> nah, we three were in the same room at the time
[09-Aug-2006 17:49:49] <Shazburg_> Are there logs of this room kept on the site? Probably not.
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:11] <oubiwann> Oh, I think Eric had been doing some testing... yeah, this was it: he removed some directories in the Zenoss management interface
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:22] <oubiwann> I think he deleted "Devices" or something and hadn't put it back
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:32] <Shazburg_> He broke Trunk?
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:45] <oubiwann> no, no -- in his own Zenoss instance
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:50] <Shazburg_> Ah.
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:52] <oubiwann> not directories on the filesystem, but in Zope
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:57] <oubiwann> in the Zenoss interface
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:06] <oubiwann> have you removed anything from the interface?
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:26] <Shazburg_> Not a thing. This is the first thing I've tried to do post install.
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:28] <oubiwann> Deleted "Devices" or "Events"
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:30] <oubiwann> hmm
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:42] <oubiwann> What were you trying to do when you got this error?
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:53] <oubiwann> (and yet, there are logs of the chat rooms... getting link)
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:55] <Shazburg_> Add a device.
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:19] <Shazburg_> A Win2k3 box with SNMP
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:27] <oubiwann> IRC log files are here:
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:28] <oubiwann> http://www2.adytum.us/adytum-irclogs/
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:28] <adytum-bot> Title: Adytum IRC Logs (at www2.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:39] <Shazburg_> Groovy.
[09-Aug-2006 17:53:18] <oubiwann> Okay, so let me double check some things with you
[09-Aug-2006 17:53:32] <oubiwann> you're running under the user account "zenoss" correct?
[09-Aug-2006 17:54:16] <Shazburg_> Correct.
[09-Aug-2006 17:54:37] <oubiwann> can you paste the contents of your /etc/sudoers file to the pastebin?
[09-Aug-2006 17:55:03] <Shazburg_> Hold on.
[09-Aug-2006 17:55:19] <oubiwann> oh, and your zenoss account .profile/.bashrc/.bash_profile (which ever one you use)
[09-Aug-2006 17:56:28] <oubiwann> by account, I mean the shell account for the user "zenoss"
[09-Aug-2006 17:56:47] <Shazburg_> http://pastebin.adytum.us/76
[09-Aug-2006 17:56:47] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 17:56:54] <Shazburg_> Correct.
[09-Aug-2006 17:59:37] <oubiwann> I am completely not a sudoers guru, but I will list the differences between our files in case that's useful... but first:
[09-Aug-2006 18:00:11] <oubiwann> when you installed zenoss, did the install script output something about a successful ZODB import?
[09-Aug-2006 18:00:42] <Shazburg_> I didn't see one way or the other.
[09-Aug-2006 18:01:45] <Shazburg_> Though if I'd had a bogus Zope database, it shouldn't be starting up. Let me take a look at the Zope logs for any complaints.
[09-Aug-2006 18:02:00] <oubiwann> check your zenbuild.log and make sure there were no ZODB errors
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:06] <oubiwann> my Defaults section is different than yours in that I don't have an "env_reset" directive
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:09] <oubiwann> I just have the following:
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:10] <oubiwann> Defaults env_keep += "PYTHONPATH ZENHOME"
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:37] <oubiwann> Also, you should post your shell account profile so we can see the env vars you've set up
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:39] <Shazburg_> I don't seen any ZODB errors in the log.
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:43] <oubiwann> okay
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:58] <Shazburg_> I did. Scroll down on 76 there and you'll see it below the sudoers.
[09-Aug-2006 18:04:29] <oubiwann> it's having a problem because the zenoss instance isn't finding a ZENHOME declaration in your environment
[09-Aug-2006 18:04:50] <oubiwann> the most obvious potential causes of this would be:
[09-Aug-2006 18:05:09] <oubiwann> 1) a bad/missing entry in the account profile for ZENHOME
[09-Aug-2006 18:05:28] <oubiwann> 2) a bad entry in the sudoers file for the env settings
[09-Aug-2006 18:06:08] <oubiwann> the other things I've mentioned can also throw a similar error, if my memory serves, but the cause is not direct
[09-Aug-2006 18:06:26] <oubiwann> I do have to go, though. So here's what I would suggest:
[09-Aug-2006 18:06:42] <oubiwann> 1) double check your zenoss env settings in the profile/rc file
[09-Aug-2006 18:06:47] <Shazburg_> Hold the phone.
[09-Aug-2006 18:06:58] <oubiwann> 2) make sure that ...
[09-Aug-2006 18:07:00] <oubiwann> holding ;-)
[09-Aug-2006 18:07:33] <Shazburg_> You made me look at suders again. Thank you. Can't have two defaults.
[09-Aug-2006 18:07:48] <oubiwann> cool :-)
[09-Aug-2006 18:07:57] <Shazburg_> Defaults !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn,env_keep+="PYTHONPATH ZENHOME"
[09-Aug-2006 18:08:18] <Shazburg_> I combined the two lines and removed the differences between us.
[09-Aug-2006 18:08:33] <oubiwann> cool, I hope that works :-)
[09-Aug-2006 18:08:49] <Shazburg_> My new server is added. I have a brand new error from restarting Zenoss, but I'll work on it solo before bothering anyone else with it.
[09-Aug-2006 18:08:57] <oubiwann> gotta bounce, good luck, and I may be on later tonight
[09-Aug-2006 18:09:00] <Shazburg_> Thank you again, oubiwann.
[09-Aug-2006 18:09:12] <oubiwann> cool, glad there's some progress at least :-)
[09-Aug-2006 18:09:13] <oubiwann> np ;-)
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[09-Aug-2006 20:54:15] <socialist> I'm running a zendisc on a large subnet (/16) and I have no idea how far it's progressed or anything, is there a way to increase verbosity or otherwise see it's progress?
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[09-Aug-2006 21:36:49] <socialist> any ideas what this means? ERROR:zen.ZenDisc:Error performing net descovery on database conflict error (oid 0xdf4e, class Products.ZenRelations.ToManyContRelationship.ToManyContRelationship)
[09-Aug-2006 21:41:08] <socialist> zendisc spit that out after (I'm guessing) completing the pingscan of a /16, but before starting the modelling
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[10-Aug-2006 01:48:31] <Raul> Is there a way to provide single signon to zenoss? Anyone doing this?
[10-Aug-2006 02:05:10] <socialist> not sure, but I'd like to see kerberos support
[10-Aug-2006 03:10:34] <socialist> Raul: btw, zenoss appears to use Zope acl_users folders like most any other zope app. Not sure about the internals, but it looks mostly like it would support anything that zope can do..
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[10-Aug-2006 06:58:00] <GreesMunky> are there any more/updated documents regarding the install procesudre?
[10-Aug-2006 06:58:07] <GreesMunky> I mean procedure
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[10-Aug-2006 09:22:39] <zaf> socialist, add -v10 to your zendisc command line to increase verbosity so you can see what it's working on
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[10-Aug-2006 10:17:14] <adam_> oubiwann: i've got a quick question about building on an intel mac
[10-Aug-2006 10:17:43] <oubiwann> amodlin: go for it
[10-Aug-2006 10:18:00] <oubiwann> amodlin: er, I mean, share your question :-)
[10-Aug-2006 10:18:30] <amodlin> did you ever get any errors running the install script? i'm trying to install and i'm getting an error at the grahpviz part
[10-Aug-2006 10:18:38] <oubiwann> yeah, I did
[10-Aug-2006 10:18:53] <oubiwann> let me get the mail list item I posted about it
[10-Aug-2006 10:19:09] <amodlin> oh ok, I didn't realize you posted t the list about that
[10-Aug-2006 10:19:42] <oubiwann> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001098.html
[10-Aug-2006 10:19:42] <oubiwann> amodlin: no prob :-)
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[10-Aug-2006 10:21:03] <amodlin> ok, thanks a bunch
[10-Aug-2006 10:21:10] <oubiwann> you bet :-)
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[10-Aug-2006 10:42:08] <amodlin> oubiwann: am I going to have trouble installing zenoss with python 2.3?
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[10-Aug-2006 10:57:57] <amodlin> oubiwann: following your instructions i still got the same error
[10-Aug-2006 10:58:47] <GreesMunky> I get startup errors on Debian sarge...File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/zenping.py", line 22, in ?
[10-Aug-2006 10:58:49] <GreesMunky> import Globals # make zope imports work
[10-Aug-2006 10:58:50] <GreesMunky> ImportError: No module named Globals
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:03] <GreesMunky> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/zensyslog.py", line 24, in ?
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:05] <GreesMunky> import Globals
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:07] <GreesMunky> ImportError: No module named Globals
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:14] <GreesMunky> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/zentrap.py", line 17, in ?
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:15] <GreesMunky> from twisted.python import threadable
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:17] <GreesMunky> ImportError: No module named twisted.python
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:29] <ecn> sudo is not preserving your environment variables
[10-Aug-2006 11:01:48] <ecn> you probably need a "Defaults env_reset" line in /etc/sudoers
[10-Aug-2006 11:01:58] <GreesMunky> ok, thanks
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[10-Aug-2006 12:08:49] <oubiwann> amodlin: I'm back
[10-Aug-2006 12:09:09] <oubiwann> amodlin: edahl actually runs on python 2.3, so that shouldn't be a problem
[10-Aug-2006 12:09:22] <amodlin> oubiwann: i'm still getting the same problem after following the mailing list instuctions
[10-Aug-2006 12:09:42] <oubiwann> hmmm... could you post the traceback/error message to a pastebin
[10-Aug-2006 12:10:00] <oubiwann> you can use this one if you want:
[10-Aug-2006 12:10:01] <oubiwann> http://pastebin.adytum.us/
[10-Aug-2006 12:10:01] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[10-Aug-2006 12:10:12] <amodlin> sure thing
[10-Aug-2006 12:11:29] <amodlin> ok done
[10-Aug-2006 12:11:55] <amodlin> be right back real quick
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[10-Aug-2006 12:17:10] <amodlin> oubiwann: sorry about that, i'm back
[10-Aug-2006 12:17:16] <oubiwann> no prob
[10-Aug-2006 12:17:39] <oubiwann> taking a look... this is actually a different error than that which the mail list post addresses
[10-Aug-2006 12:18:28] <oubiwann> amodlin: I'm gonna ask one more favor :-)
[10-Aug-2006 12:18:32] <amodlin> sure thing
[10-Aug-2006 12:18:48] <oubiwann> amodlin: could you send me your zenbuild.log? duncan at zenoss dot com
[10-Aug-2006 12:19:17] <amodlin> sure
[10-Aug-2006 12:20:14] <oubiwann> there's a lib missing somewhere... and maybe more context will help me figure it out :-)
[10-Aug-2006 12:20:43] <amodlin> i had ecn take a look at it, he fooled around with some configure stuff...said the linking was out of order or somethng like that
[10-Aug-2006 12:21:58] <oubiwann> yeah, it's trying to link against a library it can't find
[10-Aug-2006 12:22:06] <oubiwann> at least, that's what it looks like so far
[10-Aug-2006 12:24:10] <amodlin> ok i've sent it. it might be a little wierd, because I tried to do what you had on that list
[10-Aug-2006 12:24:17] <amodlin> if you need me to I can i just run a fresh install
[10-Aug-2006 12:24:31] <zaf> oubiwann zaf: find() gets only one
[10-Aug-2006 12:24:42] <zaf> oubiwann, is there a command that will find them all?
[10-Aug-2006 12:24:56] <oubiwann> zaf: yup, that's what I said yesterday ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 12:25:06] <oubiwann> zaf: you're looking for devices, right?
[10-Aug-2006 12:26:49] <zaf> yeah, i want to pattern match device names into a list
[10-Aug-2006 12:27:30] <oubiwann> pattern match... well, that's not actually supported in trunk yet
[10-Aug-2006 12:28:07] <zaf> heh
[10-Aug-2006 12:28:21] <oubiwann> I've got the code written for it, but I need to write the migrate function that will move current zenoss installations into the new device search functionality
[10-Aug-2006 12:28:22] <oubiwann> however
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:09] <oubiwann> [ x for x in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices() if ... ]
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:15] <oubiwann> would do what you want
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:21] <oubiwann> and in ... you can do a regex
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:32] <zaf> ah
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:36] <amodlin> oubiwann: did you get that zenbuild?
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:48] <oubiwann> amodlin: sure did... got open now
[10-Aug-2006 12:30:07] <amodlin> ok
[10-Aug-2006 12:31:18] <oubiwann> amodlin: hmmm... you might want to try setting your LDFLAGS env var as well as the CPPFLAGS
[10-Aug-2006 12:31:57] <amodlin> what would I set that to
[10-Aug-2006 12:32:11] <oubiwann> amodlin: in that email, I set CPPFLAGS to use my apple framework python includes as well as the zenoss includes
[10-Aug-2006 12:32:38] <amodlin> oubiwann: right, I did that, except mine is with 2.3
[10-Aug-2006 12:32:38] <oubiwann> amodlin: so, for the LDFLAGS, you might want to try setting it to /Users/bk/zenoss/lib
[10-Aug-2006 12:32:59] <amodlin> all right, and just run the install script again?
[10-Aug-2006 12:33:11] <oubiwann> no guarantees, but that *might* help... still looking
[10-Aug-2006 12:33:52] <oubiwann> just to be sure, I'd start over with a rm -rf /Users/bk/zenoss/* as well as a removal of your build dir
[10-Aug-2006 12:35:02] <oubiwann> hmmm... but most of your graphviz stuff is compiling just fine
[10-Aug-2006 12:35:13] <amodlin> oubiwann: ok sounds good. i'm running a fresh install with the LDFLAGS env var
[10-Aug-2006 12:36:48] <oubiwann> amodlin: you did export LDFLAGS=-L/Users/bk/zenoss/lib, right?
[10-Aug-2006 12:37:09] <oubiwann> (or the equiv for whatever shell you use)
[10-Aug-2006 12:38:05] <amodlin> i did export LDFLAGS="/Users/bk/zenoss/lib"
[10-Aug-2006 12:38:15] <oubiwann> nope, that won't work
[10-Aug-2006 12:38:21] <amodlin> what's the -L for
[10-Aug-2006 12:39:13] <oubiwann> it's just the syntax for setting the lib paths
[10-Aug-2006 12:42:15] <amodlin> ok
[10-Aug-2006 12:42:25] <amodlin> did I need to do that for the CPPFLAGS also
[10-Aug-2006 12:42:29] <oubiwann> amodlin: so, it looks like lefty is the only problem
[10-Aug-2006 12:42:46] <oubiwann> lefty is a part of graphviz I'm pretty sure were not using at all
[10-Aug-2006 12:43:33] <amodlin> Ah
[10-Aug-2006 12:43:36] <amodlin> I see
[10-Aug-2006 12:44:00] <oubiwann> I need to unpack a graphviz tarball so I can see what options exist for building without lefty...
[10-Aug-2006 12:44:32] <amodlin> ok
[10-Aug-2006 12:46:20] <oubiwann> I guess try --without-lefty when you do the manual configure of graphviz...
[10-Aug-2006 12:55:20] <zaf> in zendmd, if d is a device, how do i return the ip address of d?
[10-Aug-2006 13:06:57] <oubiwann> zaf: starting up dmd now, and then I'll share some quick pointers with you :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:09:53] <oubiwann> okay, so you have python at your fingertips when in the dbd
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:01] <oubiwann> er, dmd even ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:15] <oubiwann> so you can do stuff like:
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:33] <oubiwann> d = find('192.168.*')
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:36] <oubiwann> and then dir(d)
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:39] <oubiwann> *however*
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:48] <oubiwann> you also get all of Zope's madness
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:58] <oubiwann> so there's a LOT of stuff that will return in a dir()
[10-Aug-2006 13:11:29] <zaf> yah, just found the dir() command, that helps a bunch
[10-Aug-2006 13:11:35] <oubiwann> to pare that down some, here's what I do
[10-Aug-2006 13:11:45] <oubiwann> [ x for x in dir(d) if '__' not in x ]
[10-Aug-2006 13:12:04] <oubiwann> that usualy gives me the attrs/methods that I'm curious about
[10-Aug-2006 13:12:19] <oubiwann> since I rarely ever need private stuff
[10-Aug-2006 13:12:29] <oubiwann> nor the *__* stuff that Zope defines
[10-Aug-2006 13:13:33] <oubiwann> to look at all the get*() methods, just do this:
[10-Aug-2006 13:13:42] <oubiwann> [ x for x in dir(d) if x.startswith('get') ]
[10-Aug-2006 13:13:46] <oubiwann> and so forth
[10-Aug-2006 13:14:50] <oubiwann> for the ip of a device, you probably want the .manageIp attr
[10-Aug-2006 13:15:13] <zaf> thanks
[10-Aug-2006 13:15:29] <oubiwann> sorry about the long answer, but I figure that will be very helpful for you as you play :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:15:35] <zaf> yeah
[10-Aug-2006 13:15:57] <zaf> it's mostly my lack of python knowledge that's slowing me down. if i knew python better i could figure this stuff out myself
[10-Aug-2006 13:16:10] <oubiwann> being a code guy, I prefer to work in the dmd than the web interface :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:16:16] <oubiwann> yeah, you'll catch on really quick
[10-Aug-2006 13:16:33] <oubiwann> if you found dir() on your own that fast, you're doing great ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:16:52] <zaf> found guido's tutorial
[10-Aug-2006 13:17:26] <oubiwann> yeah, that's where I started -- teach yourself python in 4 hours, tops :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:17:58] <zaf> yeah, if i ever had 4 hours without an interruption, i'd have a whole lot done in my life
[10-Aug-2006 13:22:58] * oubiwann laughs
[10-Aug-2006 13:23:00] <oubiwann> indeed
[10-Aug-2006 13:24:37] <zaf> woohoo! progress!
[10-Aug-2006 13:25:30] <oubiwann> nice :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:26:53] <zaf> now i have a way of mass-setting Location by regex on the IP
[10-Aug-2006 13:31:43] <oubiwann> zaf: what are you trying to do?
[10-Aug-2006 13:32:54] <zaf> organize all these devices i have discovered
[10-Aug-2006 13:33:03] <zaf> about 30 subnets
[10-Aug-2006 13:33:11] <zaf> all discovered with zendisc
[10-Aug-2006 13:33:42] <zaf> it's just a bit slow to do it with the web interface
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[10-Aug-2006 13:35:12] <oubiwann> zaf: ah, I see
[10-Aug-2006 13:35:36] <oubiwann> that's a good question
[10-Aug-2006 13:35:43] <oubiwann> should be fairly easy
[10-Aug-2006 13:35:55] <oubiwann> all you really need is the steps for a "move"
[10-Aug-2006 13:36:05] <oubiwann> s/is/are/
[10-Aug-2006 13:38:09] <zaf> for each device i've discovered, I need to set the Location Path, System, Group, and Device Class
[10-Aug-2006 13:38:34] <zaf> ideally if i could just select a few devices at a time and set those things, it would be perfect
[10-Aug-2006 13:40:21] <oubiwann> cool, you've already done the research on the methods -- that's awesome
[10-Aug-2006 13:40:44] <oubiwann> all you need to do is regex the IPs in a list comprehension like I showed you
[10-Aug-2006 13:40:51] <oubiwann> actually, I take it back
[10-Aug-2006 13:40:58] <oubiwann> you probably want to do this in a for loop
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:04] <oubiwann> too much going on at once
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:17] <oubiwann> so just iterate through all your devices
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:22] <oubiwann> and check their IPs
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:26] <oubiwann> and move accordingly
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:43] <oubiwann> for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices():
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[10-Aug-2006 13:42:00] <oubiwann> if d.manageIp == whatever
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:01] <oubiwann> or
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:28] <oubiwann> if regex.match('some_exp', d.manageIp):
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:40] <oubiwann> note that you will need to import re
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:52] <zaf> yeah, that's how i did i
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:53] <zaf> t
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:54] <oubiwann> doh, and my command above is wrong, it should be
[10-Aug-2006 13:43:01] <oubiwann> re.match(
[10-Aug-2006 13:43:20] <rputzler> Has anyone implemented a single signon solution with zenoss, I looked at RemoteUserAuth which is recommended for plone under zope but I was unable to get it to work. Wondering if this problem has already been solved.
[10-Aug-2006 13:43:24] <oubiwann> so I think you have everything you need -- are you having a specific hang-up?
[10-Aug-2006 13:43:35] <zaf> nah, just doing the leg work now
[10-Aug-2006 13:43:51] <oubiwann> rputzler: what are you trying to authenticate against?
[10-Aug-2006 13:44:24] <zaf> rputzler, that's one of my next projects.. that and getting plone and zenoss in the same zope instance
[10-Aug-2006 13:44:24] <oubiwann> rputzler: also, Zenoss if CMF-based, not plone-based (that's why it's so much faster than a plone app!)
[10-Aug-2006 13:44:38] <rputzler> User is already authenticated by apache against a custom datasource.
[10-Aug-2006 13:45:16] <oubiwann> rputzler: is it an http basic auth?
[10-Aug-2006 13:45:35] <rputzler> No, form based.
[10-Aug-2006 13:46:13] <rputzler> Most products I've integrated allow me to pass the authenticated user in a header and setup a trust relationship to the source ip of apache.
[10-Aug-2006 13:48:16] <oubiwann> hrm... all my experience in integrating is at the coding level
[10-Aug-2006 13:48:31] <oubiwann> auth integration, I mean
[10-Aug-2006 13:48:54] <oubiwann> rputzler: so help me with the flow you have
[10-Aug-2006 13:49:08] <oubiwann> rputzler: user fills in form
[10-Aug-2006 13:49:13] <oubiwann> rputzler: posts to apache
[10-Aug-2006 13:49:34] <oubiwann> rputzler: apache grants auth accordingly
[10-Aug-2006 13:49:45] <oubiwann> rputzler: then what does your other app do, exactly?
[10-Aug-2006 13:50:15] <rputzler> user logs into our support portal which authenticates via a ruby on rails app to mysql, user clicks a link to a reverse proxied url to zenoss.
[10-Aug-2006 13:50:15] <oubiwann> rputzler: or do you push from apache as soon as it auths a user?
[10-Aug-2006 13:50:41] <oubiwann> rputzler: I mean non-zenoss
[10-Aug-2006 13:51:08] <oubiwann> rputzler: I need a better picture of how your other apps are authingn against apache
[10-Aug-2006 13:53:18] <rputzler> They don't , basically I reverse proxy the other apps and during the reverse proxy I add a header of "REMOTE_USER" and populate with the userid of the authenticated user. The the app is configured to not challenge for a password when the source ip is apache and the REMOTE_USER header is populated with a valid userid.
[10-Aug-2006 13:56:50] <rputzler> I know I can have the reverse proxy insert the authorization header with the base64 encoded userid/password, I was just hoping that something better/simpler that might already exist so that I don't have to replicate passwords around to multiple systems. We are planning on using ldap at somepoint in the future, but that architecture has it's own set of issues and challenges.
[10-Aug-2006 13:57:56] <oubiwann> rputzler:
[10-Aug-2006 13:57:58] <oubiwann> oops
[10-Aug-2006 13:58:00] <oubiwann> :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:58:07] <oubiwann> rputzler: okay, that makes sense
[10-Aug-2006 13:58:37] <oubiwann> I'll add a ticket for it and see if that's something Erik wants one of us to add -- I don't see why not
[10-Aug-2006 13:59:35] <oubiwann> there might be some security concerns, so we might have to add a UI portion to enable this, with disclaimers and warnings, etc.
[10-Aug-2006 13:59:40] <rputzler> Thanks.
[10-Aug-2006 14:03:08] <oubiwann> rputzler: you know, in Zope you can auth against the URL directly
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[10-Aug-2006 14:03:16] <oubiwann> rputzler: you really want https for that, though ;-)
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[10-Aug-2006 14:04:00] <oubiwann> rputzler: so, you could hit https://user:passwd@yourserver.com:8080/zport/dmdpasswd@yourserver.com:8080/zport/dmd
[10-Aug-2006 14:04:00] <adytum-bot> oubiwann: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[10-Aug-2006 14:04:29] <oubiwann> (heh, the bot tried to look up the title for that URL)
[10-Aug-2006 14:05:10] <oubiwann> rputzler: if you're building links in your web interface dynamically, you could probably use that
[10-Aug-2006 14:06:03] <oubiwann> and if you're using https, that would be a more secure solution (we wouldn't have to mess with security issues in Zenoss, I mean)
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[10-Aug-2006 14:52:38] <rputzler> oubiwann: sorry had to step a way for a little while. Thanks for the suggestion I'll give it a try, I just wanted to avoid having to keep the users password around in clear text like that.
[10-Aug-2006 14:53:21] <oubiwann> well, if it's dynamically generated, it won't be saved anywhere
[10-Aug-2006 14:53:49] <oubiwann> you could just pull if from Apache/the header (after login)
[10-Aug-2006 14:54:19] <oubiwann> the user would click on the link, and they'd be in an auth'ed zenoss instance...
[10-Aug-2006 14:55:16] <rputzler> Good point, actually that should make this implementation pretty clean. Let me give it a try.
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[10-Aug-2006 15:45:07] <ecn> oubiwann: what files did you need?
[10-Aug-2006 15:45:35] <oubiwann> ecn: hey! lemme get their names...
[10-Aug-2006 15:46:07] <oubiwann> getRouterGraph and getNetworkGraph
[10-Aug-2006 15:46:39] <oubiwann> er, those should have .pt extensions...
[10-Aug-2006 15:46:45] <ecn> what box were you using?
[10-Aug-2006 15:46:53] <oubiwann> .14
[10-Aug-2006 15:48:25] <ecn> no getRouterGraph on the box
[10-Aug-2006 15:49:05] <oubiwann> it might be in a location that the locatedb is skipping
[10-Aug-2006 15:49:21] * oubiwann tries to remember the path
[10-Aug-2006 15:49:23] <ecn> I assumed it would be in /usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/skins/zenmodel
[10-Aug-2006 15:49:44] <oubiwann> yeah, that's where it should be...
[10-Aug-2006 15:50:15] <oubiwann> was the box wipped?
[10-Aug-2006 15:50:36] <oubiwann> the graphs we were looking at when I was there were generated by those files
[10-Aug-2006 15:50:44] <oubiwann> so at one point, they were there
[10-Aug-2006 15:51:04] <oubiwann> oh, doh
[10-Aug-2006 15:51:08] <oubiwann> I'm an idiot
[10-Aug-2006 15:51:25] <oubiwann> I think we took them out of .pt
[10-Aug-2006 15:51:43] <oubiwann> and put them on Device
[10-Aug-2006 15:52:17] <ecn> right... and they return '' for me
[10-Aug-2006 15:52:18] <ecn> 8-)
[10-Aug-2006 15:58:48] <oubiwann> In the browser, I get a URL instead of an image...
[10-Aug-2006 16:01:14] <oubiwann> ah
[10-Aug-2006 16:01:29] <oubiwann> there is a problem with graphviz or pydot compiling
[10-Aug-2006 16:02:08] <oubiwann> I just did a python session importing pydot and creating a graph
[10-Aug-2006 16:02:41] <oubiwann> loaded up the graph image in a browser, and there's no image -- just the URL to the image (file:///Users/oubiwann/Desktop/graph_from_edges_dot.jpg)
[10-Aug-2006 16:03:16] <oubiwann> this is a bigger problem than I thought... and doesn't seem to be Zenoss-related
[10-Aug-2006 16:04:03] <oubiwann> ecn: when you get a chance, could you run some code in an interactive python session for me?
[10-Aug-2006 16:04:34] <oubiwann> ecn: http://pastebin.adytum.us/78
[10-Aug-2006 16:04:34] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
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[10-Aug-2006 16:06:37] <oubiwann> ecn: then check out the image... if it's not an image of 4 nodes, then there's a problem how our graphviz's are being built
[10-Aug-2006 16:12:45] <ecn> zero-length file
[10-Aug-2006 16:14:25] <ecn> postscript isn't working either
[10-Aug-2006 16:14:27] <ecn> ugh
[10-Aug-2006 16:18:37] <oubiwann> I'm gonna try this with graphviz directly and confirm that pydot's not the problem...
[10-Aug-2006 16:24:48] <oubiwann> well, dot seems to be working
[10-Aug-2006 16:24:54] <oubiwann> so that's GREAT news :-)
[10-Aug-2006 16:25:27] <oubiwann> the problem then may lie with pydot
[10-Aug-2006 16:29:30] <oubiwann> yeah, this is great... pydot hasn't been updated since 2004
[10-Aug-2006 16:30:12] <oubiwann> I'm going to try running with this with an older version of pyparsing (first)
[10-Aug-2006 16:30:22] <oubiwann> and if that doesn't work, graphviz as well
[10-Aug-2006 16:36:52] <ecn> btw, I did have pictures coming up at one point
[10-Aug-2006 16:40:21] <oubiwann> ecn: did you?
[10-Aug-2006 16:40:29] <oubiwann> oh dear, that makes it worse
[10-Aug-2006 16:40:38] <ecn> yes, when I did the make target
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[10-Aug-2006 17:27:59] <socialist> I might be missing it, but is there a way to add a single device from the commandline?
[10-Aug-2006 17:28:30] <socialist> I'm finding that zendisc is missing lots of hosts in its scans
[10-Aug-2006 17:28:50] <socialist> I have lists of IPs that I can add, but it would be nice not to add them each manually
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[10-Aug-2006 18:31:54] <oubiwann> socialist: you can use zendmd
[10-Aug-2006 18:35:13] <socialist> are there docs for that somewhere?
[10-Aug-2006 18:35:19] <oubiwann> hahaha
[10-Aug-2006 18:35:23] <socialist> HAH
[10-Aug-2006 18:35:26] <oubiwann> sorry ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 18:35:32] <socialist> been there
[10-Aug-2006 18:35:35] <oubiwann> that wasn't directed at you ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 18:35:53] <oubiwann> I'm actually looking through it right now to see if I can get you started...
[10-Aug-2006 18:36:04] <socialist> I can look through it
[10-Aug-2006 18:36:29] <socialist> but I'll gladly take pointers
[10-Aug-2006 18:36:52] <oubiwann> you can start with firing up zendmd
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:07] <socialist> looks like commandline of the web interface
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:15] <oubiwann> exactly
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:26] <oubiwann> er, almost
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:32] <socialist> close enough
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:39] <socialist> I do python and zope stuff, it's familiar
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:40] <oubiwann> it's missing some of the zope stuff that's present in the web IU
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:44] <oubiwann> yeah
[10-Aug-2006 18:37:58] <oubiwann> so it's still not full zope like you'd get in the interactive zope debugger, but it's close
[10-Aug-2006 18:38:59] <oubiwann> I can't for the life of me find something that looks like it could add a device
[10-Aug-2006 18:39:06] <oubiwann> it's *got* to be here somewhere, though...
[10-Aug-2006 18:39:43] <oubiwann> ah
[10-Aug-2006 18:39:48] <oubiwann> dmd.DeviceLoader
[10-Aug-2006 18:44:39] <oubiwann> socialist: how familiar with Zope are you?
[10-Aug-2006 18:45:21] <oubiwann> socialist: because if you know your ZPT, you can look at Products/ZenModel/skins/zenmodel/addDevice.pt for tips on how adding a device is done through the UI
[10-Aug-2006 18:49:02] <oubiwann> oh, by the way
[10-Aug-2006 18:49:22] <oubiwann> and I forgot to mention this to zat earlier
[10-Aug-2006 18:50:02] <oubiwann> thanks to Itamar Shtull-Trauring pyhistory code, we now have autocomplete in the dmd
[10-Aug-2006 18:50:34] <oubiwann> for example, if you type this:
[10-Aug-2006 18:50:35] <oubiwann> dmd.DeviceLoader.
[10-Aug-2006 18:50:57] <oubiwann> and then hit ESC twice, it will show you all the possible completions
[10-Aug-2006 18:51:28] <socialist> oh nice
[10-Aug-2006 18:53:15] <oubiwann> socialist: and you can add a device by doing this:
[10-Aug-2006 18:53:27] <oubiwann> dmd.DeviceLoader.loadDevice(...)
[10-Aug-2006 18:53:54] <oubiwann> I'm getting a link for the parameters/sig of that method
[10-Aug-2006 18:55:41] <oubiwann> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/trunk/Products/ZenModel/ZDeviceLoader.py
[10-Aug-2006 18:55:41] <adytum-bot> Title: /trunk/Products/ZenModel/ZDeviceLoader.py - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[10-Aug-2006 18:55:41] <oubiwann> line 79
[10-Aug-2006 18:56:09] <oubiwann> you can add a device with a minimum of deviceName and discoverProto, I think (testing now...)
[10-Aug-2006 18:56:30] <socialist> you can add with just an IP I think
[10-Aug-2006 18:56:39] <socialist> well, deviceName
[10-Aug-2006 18:57:12] <oubiwann> only if SNMP is enabled on the box, though
[10-Aug-2006 18:57:58] <oubiwann> with the minimum parameters, your device will be in the class path in "/Discovered" (web ui)
[10-Aug-2006 18:58:31] <oubiwann> so if know where you want to put it, you can add the parameter "devicePath"
[10-Aug-2006 18:58:45] <oubiwann> that should get you started :-)
[10-Aug-2006 18:59:02] <socialist> yep
[10-Aug-2006 18:59:28] <socialist> not bad, I can extend that easy
[10-Aug-2006 18:59:30] <socialist> I think
[10-Aug-2006 19:01:33] <oubiwann> just holler if you run into troubs
[10-Aug-2006 19:02:24] <socialist> thanks
[10-Aug-2006 19:02:29] <oubiwann> you bet
[10-Aug-2006 19:02:32] <oubiwann> oh, also -- it'd be helpful for us to know why you're not getting all your network devices
[10-Aug-2006 19:02:46] <socialist> I'm not sure yet
[10-Aug-2006 19:02:49] <oubiwann> feel free to post an FYI for us to the mail list
[10-Aug-2006 19:02:51] <oubiwann> oh, okay
[10-Aug-2006 19:03:07] <oubiwann> let us know when you've got some ideas :-)
[10-Aug-2006 19:03:12] <socialist> I'm trying to determine exactly what and home many are missing
[10-Aug-2006 19:03:17] <oubiwann> cool
[10-Aug-2006 19:03:52] <socialist> oh one thing I can say for certain, scanning a large subnet (/16) is problematic
[10-Aug-2006 19:04:32] <socialist> ping scan alone took about 4 hours, and then it died before adding any devices
[10-Aug-2006 19:05:19] <oubiwann> holy crap
[10-Aug-2006 19:05:45] <socialist> not sure if that was normal (the 4 hrs) or not, it was my first run with zendisc
[10-Aug-2006 19:05:52] <oubiwann> man, I wish I could test on a network that large...
[10-Aug-2006 19:05:58] <socialist> it's not that large
[10-Aug-2006 19:06:07] <socialist> old admin was a twerp
[10-Aug-2006 19:06:08] <oubiwann> (without having my ISP shut me down, that is)
[10-Aug-2006 19:06:12] <oubiwann> hah
[10-Aug-2006 19:06:28] <socialist> seriously, he gave us a /16 because you "never know"
[10-Aug-2006 19:06:49] <oubiwann> regardless, though, a port scanner sees all of that /16
[10-Aug-2006 19:07:03] <socialist> nmap -sP, yeah
[10-Aug-2006 19:07:30] <oubiwann> the twisted port scanner I wrote for Zenoss *should* scale, though
[10-Aug-2006 19:07:47] <oubiwann> so I wish I could test, watch, and tweak so that it was usable for large nets
[10-Aug-2006 19:08:03] <socialist> You might want to thread it
[10-Aug-2006 19:08:08] <oubiwann> WHAT?!
[10-Aug-2006 19:08:13] <oubiwann> you're talking to a twisted guy!
[10-Aug-2006 19:08:15] <oubiwann> heh
[10-Aug-2006 19:08:19] <socialist> haha
[10-Aug-2006 19:08:25] <oubiwann> We Don't Do Threads
[10-Aug-2006 19:08:28] <oubiwann> :-)
[10-Aug-2006 19:09:03] <oubiwann> it's setup right now to only use 50 deferreds at a time (DeferredSemaphore)
[10-Aug-2006 19:09:20] <oubiwann> but hell, I can just setup a bogus net here, my own /16
[10-Aug-2006 19:09:28] <oubiwann> I'll add a bug ticket for that now
[10-Aug-2006 19:10:19] <oubiwann> socialist: is gemstone.co your company where you're running Zenoss?
[10-Aug-2006 19:10:34] <socialist> trying it out yeah
[10-Aug-2006 19:11:20] <socialist> zenoss is basically a realization of some stuff I've been toying with for about 5 years
[10-Aug-2006 19:11:32] <socialist> you even used "my" language
[10-Aug-2006 19:11:36] <socialist> bastards
[10-Aug-2006 19:12:06] * oubiwann laughs
[10-Aug-2006 19:12:43] <oubiwann> well, I'm the author of pymon, part of which was inspired by Erik Dahl's work at USi (we both used to work there)
[10-Aug-2006 19:12:50] <oubiwann> they found pymon on the net, and then me
[10-Aug-2006 19:12:59] <oubiwann> then offered me a job
[10-Aug-2006 19:13:12] <oubiwann> so... ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 19:13:28] <oubiwann> there may be a future for you at Zenoss ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 19:14:12] <socialist> ooh I found my missing hosts
[10-Aug-2006 19:14:20] <socialist> zendisc is fine
[10-Aug-2006 19:15:14] <socialist> will zendisc skip hosts completely if they don't answer SNMP?
[10-Aug-2006 19:15:34] <socialist> hm, I thought it added device records, albeit empty...
[10-Aug-2006 19:16:22] <oubiwann> socialist: They were in /Discovered, right?
[10-Aug-2006 19:16:30] <socialist> no
[10-Aug-2006 19:16:38] <oubiwann> oh
[10-Aug-2006 19:16:40] <oubiwann> where?
[10-Aug-2006 19:16:41] <socialist> they just aren't answering snmp
[10-Aug-2006 19:16:45] <oubiwann> ah
[10-Aug-2006 19:17:10] <oubiwann> hmmm... I've got a bunch of hosts on my net, only one of which has snmp and they were all discovered
[10-Aug-2006 19:17:22] <socialist> damn ok so something is odd
[10-Aug-2006 19:17:29] <oubiwann> btw, I just created a bug
[10-Aug-2006 19:17:37] <oubiwann> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/254
[10-Aug-2006 19:17:37] <adytum-bot> Title: #254 (Scalability Issues with Twisted Port Scanner) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[10-Aug-2006 19:17:49] <oubiwann> if you want to keep updated, feel free to add yourself to the CC field
[10-Aug-2006 19:17:55] <oubiwann> and make comments
[10-Aug-2006 19:25:10] <socialist> oh too funny now I think I do know what it is
[10-Aug-2006 19:25:39] <socialist> most if not all of the missing devices are management cards, like IPMI stuff
[10-Aug-2006 19:26:17] <socialist> they appear to be forwarding snmp data from the running OS, so I'm getting conflicts when I run zendisc
[10-Aug-2006 19:26:29] <socialist> basically getting the same exact snmp data from 2 different IPs
[10-Aug-2006 19:30:50] <oubiwann> ah, that's interesting
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[11-Aug-2006 10:56:56] <giesen> haha
[11-Aug-2006 10:57:04] <giesen> I have two /16s on my network I have to scan
[11-Aug-2006 10:57:14] <giesen> and a /25
[11-Aug-2006 10:57:25] <giesen> I've never had it actually detect a device though
[11-Aug-2006 10:57:33] <giesen> I ended up adding all of my devices manually
[11-Aug-2006 11:11:51] <zaf> i found the DeviceLoader page that's under the zope admin page. that makes it easier to be repetitive and add a lot of devices quickly
[11-Aug-2006 11:34:38] <giesen> zaf have you used nagios plugins at all with zenoss?
[11-Aug-2006 11:39:52] <zaf> haven't even tried yet
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[11-Aug-2006 11:58:31] <oubiwann> giesen: were you using the portscanner? or the snmp auto-detection of Zenoss?
[11-Aug-2006 11:59:29] <giesen> snmp auto-detection
[11-Aug-2006 11:59:41] <giesen> I can manually add devices
[11-Aug-2006 11:59:46] <giesen> and it shows up in /devices
[11-Aug-2006 11:59:54] <giesen> I've never had ANYTHING show up in /discovered
[11-Aug-2006 11:59:57] <giesen> it's not a big deal
[11-Aug-2006 12:00:12] <giesen> there's definitely things I'm more worried about getting working in zenoss
[11-Aug-2006 12:00:16] <giesen> like nagios plugins
[11-Aug-2006 12:00:25] <giesen> and the ability to manually add services
[11-Aug-2006 12:01:35] <giesen> the problem with the nagios plugins is more of a documenation problem than anything
[11-Aug-2006 12:03:03] <giesen> even an example setup would probably help
[11-Aug-2006 12:03:12] <giesen> for the command template
[11-Aug-2006 12:04:19] <giesen> also
[11-Aug-2006 12:04:25] <giesen> I've got devices showing up in my dashboard
[11-Aug-2006 12:04:29] <giesen> that plain dont exist
[11-Aug-2006 12:16:20] <oubiwann> did they exist at one point? (I've got that problem on my Zenoss instance)
[11-Aug-2006 12:24:35] <oubiwann> giesen: as for the discovery, have you posted this to the mail list?
[11-Aug-2006 12:25:00] <oubiwann> giesen: this is really important, and even more so that it work on large networks
[11-Aug-2006 12:25:55] <oubiwann> giesen: there may indeed be a problem, but I have had lots of stuff show up in /Discovered, so there's probably something amiss in what you're doing... or
[11-Aug-2006 12:26:05] <oubiwann> giesen: you have a new use case that we haven't accounted for
[11-Aug-2006 12:26:31] <oubiwann> giesen: for either one, we need to get Eric and Erik involved in the discussion and make sure this is working on your large networks
[11-Aug-2006 12:36:20] <oubiwann> giesen: with regard to the manual adding of services... could you be more specific? I'm not sure how useful that would be...
[11-Aug-2006 12:37:06] <oubiwann> giesen: Zenoss needs to be aware of it and how to check it... it needs to be able to automatically check the service
[11-Aug-2006 12:38:01] <oubiwann> giesen: so if a service was added manually, it wouldn't know this information
[11-Aug-2006 12:38:33] <giesen> well I'd like it to at least check that the port is open
[11-Aug-2006 12:38:37] <giesen> and accepting connections
[11-Aug-2006 12:38:43] <oubiwann> giesen: so, can you tell us more about what services are not getting automatically disc--
[11-Aug-2006 12:38:43] <giesen> I guess nagios plugin support will help there
[11-Aug-2006 12:38:55] <giesen> well a) udp services
[11-Aug-2006 12:38:59] <oubiwann> yeah, and that's actually what the port scanner does
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:08] <giesen> I have a sip server
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:11] <giesen> and a tftp server
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:14] <giesen> neither is being picked up
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:15] <oubiwann> ah, portscanner is tcp
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:18] <oubiwann> yup
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:19] <oubiwann> awesome
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:22] <oubiwann> this is great info
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:27] <giesen> also
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:30] <giesen> I have a weird case
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:34] <giesen> that I'm not sure how to work around
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:41] <giesen> because of the way zenoss is architected
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:50] <giesen> I have two machines in a redundant failover configuration
[11-Aug-2006 12:39:59] <giesen> that share an IP
[11-Aug-2006 12:40:01] <oubiwann> ah, yes...
[11-Aug-2006 12:40:07] <oubiwann> keep going :-)
[11-Aug-2006 12:40:12] <giesen> I'd like to be able to keep that IP as a separate instance
[11-Aug-2006 12:40:21] <giesen> instead of being associated with one of the machines
[11-Aug-2006 12:40:36] <giesen> so I can monitor to make sure at least one of the machines is providing services on that ip
[11-Aug-2006 12:40:58] <giesen> I'm using linux-ha and drbd on it
[11-Aug-2006 12:41:25] <oubiwann> hmmm... that should actually be working. what's zenoss doing with it now?
[11-Aug-2006 12:41:50] <oubiwann> zenoss checks against an IP
[11-Aug-2006 12:42:02] <oubiwann> so which ever one is active should be getting monitored
[11-Aug-2006 12:42:28] <giesen> it has the IP bound to a particular machine
[11-Aug-2006 12:42:36] <giesen> so I have machine a and machine b
[11-Aug-2006 12:42:46] <giesen> with ips .1 and .2 respectively
[11-Aug-2006 12:42:49] <giesen> and .3 is the shared IP
[11-Aug-2006 12:42:57] <giesen> (it's passed to whichever machine is the master)
[11-Aug-2006 12:43:07] <oubiwann> I see, and you don't want to monitor .1 or .2?
[11-Aug-2006 12:43:10] <oubiwann> just .3?
[11-Aug-2006 12:43:13] <giesen> right now .3 is bound to machine 1
[11-Aug-2006 12:43:18] <giesen> but if it fails over
[11-Aug-2006 12:43:21] <giesen> it'll be bound to machine 2
[11-Aug-2006 12:44:13] <giesen> I want to make sure services are running on that IP
[11-Aug-2006 12:44:19] <giesen> independent of what machine it's bound to
[11-Aug-2006 12:44:27] <giesen> so really what I want is logically a third machine
[11-Aug-2006 12:45:47] <oubiwann> two things: 1) I think you're absolutely right, this should be supported... it shouldn't be *too* difficult, and think it would require we create a subclass of Device or a new DeviceAlias class
[11-Aug-2006 12:45:49] <oubiwann> 2)
[11-Aug-2006 12:45:57] <oubiwann> you should be able to get around this now
[11-Aug-2006 12:46:11] <oubiwann> by removing .1 and .2 and only looking at .3
[11-Aug-2006 12:46:32] <oubiwann> whatever IP it's pointing at will be the one it monitors
[11-Aug-2006 12:48:15] <oubiwann> brb
[11-Aug-2006 12:49:18] <giesen> well I'd still like to monitor .1 and .2
[11-Aug-2006 12:49:23] <giesen> but for different things
[11-Aug-2006 12:49:29] <giesen> here's my exact case
[11-Aug-2006 12:49:35] <giesen> I'm running asterisk
[11-Aug-2006 12:49:46] <giesen> so I'd like to monitor the asterisk instance that's running
[11-Aug-2006 12:49:49] <giesen> to make sure it's available
[11-Aug-2006 12:54:24] <oubiwann> (back)
[11-Aug-2006 12:54:59] <ecn> I would add the shared device IP .3, and rename it via the Manage tab
[11-Aug-2006 12:55:10] <ecn> then add the .1 & .2 devices normally
[11-Aug-2006 12:55:18] <oubiwann> that's what I was just going to say :-)
[11-Aug-2006 12:55:22] <ecn> that way you can monitor all 3
[11-Aug-2006 12:55:33] <ecn> and if it doesn't work, let us know and we'll fix it
[11-Aug-2006 12:56:03] <ecn> if you have questions about how the nagios plugins are supposed to work, I can try to answer that
[11-Aug-2006 13:02:59] <giesen> okay, I'll try that suggestion, it sounds reasonable
[11-Aug-2006 13:03:09] <giesen> ecn I just basically need an example template
[11-Aug-2006 13:04:39] <giesen> ecn so you're saying add the shared IP without using snmp?
[11-Aug-2006 13:06:07] <ecn> no, go ahead and use snmp
[11-Aug-2006 13:06:11] <ecn> but then rename the device
[11-Aug-2006 13:06:15] <giesen> oh okay
[11-Aug-2006 13:06:36] <ecn> can you run the nagios plugin from the command line?
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:00] <giesen> yep
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:02] <ecn> just paste that in the command section
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:11] <giesen> okay, so I need the full path and everything
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:24] <ecn> assuming it lives in $ZENHOME/libexec, you don't need the path to it
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:31] <giesen> okay
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:40] <giesen> I wasnt sure what zenoss provided in terms of variables I could use
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:45] <giesen> like nagios does
[11-Aug-2006 13:07:56] <ecn> right, I'm not sure either... didn't write that part 8-)
[11-Aug-2006 13:08:42] <giesen> okay
[11-Aug-2006 13:08:48] <giesen> here's the problem with your first suggestion
[11-Aug-2006 13:08:53] <giesen> when I try to add the device
[11-Aug-2006 13:09:04] <giesen> and then rename it
[11-Aug-2006 13:09:11] <giesen> I go to add the .1
[11-Aug-2006 13:09:16] <giesen> and it says the device already exists
[11-Aug-2006 13:09:23] <giesen> because it's discovered the IP on the .3 device
[11-Aug-2006 13:09:35] <ecn> ooh
[11-Aug-2006 13:09:45] <ecn> tricky
[11-Aug-2006 13:10:18] <ecn> I'll add a ticket
[11-Aug-2006 13:10:19] <oubiwann> giesen: I've actually gotten around this on my network
[11-Aug-2006 13:10:22] <giesen> if there was an easy way to delete stuff that it monitors
[11-Aug-2006 13:10:33] <giesen> that'd probably solve the problem
[11-Aug-2006 13:10:35] <oubiwann> giesen: by having multiple resolvable names
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:01] <giesen> oubiwann: I do
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:21] <oubiwann> have you tried adding it with a resolvable name that
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:21] <giesen> I have pbx.domain
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:23] <giesen> which is the shared IP
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:27] <giesen> and pbx1.domain
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:29] <giesen> and pbx2.domain
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:39] <giesen> I'll try it
[11-Aug-2006 13:11:48] <oubiwann> cool
[11-Aug-2006 13:12:23] <giesen> also
[11-Aug-2006 13:12:30] <giesen> you guys really need to do something useful with the mibs =)
[11-Aug-2006 13:12:42] <oubiwann> giesen: how so? what do you have in mind?
[11-Aug-2006 13:13:06] <giesen> well right now when I define a device
[11-Aug-2006 13:13:09] <giesen> and then perfconf
[11-Aug-2006 13:13:15] <giesen> I have to manually add all the OIDs
[11-Aug-2006 13:13:27] <giesen> ideally I'd like to be able to bind a mib to a device
[11-Aug-2006 13:13:37] <giesen> so it'll walk those OIDs
[11-Aug-2006 13:14:09] <giesen> or even a copy and paste function would be nice
[11-Aug-2006 13:14:16] <giesen> also
[11-Aug-2006 13:14:31] <giesen> I'd love to be able to browse the oid tree on a device
[11-Aug-2006 13:14:35] <giesen> and read and set any value
[11-Aug-2006 13:14:46] <giesen> (assuming I have a particular mib bound to a device)
[11-Aug-2006 13:15:12] <giesen> hmmm
[11-Aug-2006 13:15:17] <giesen> the idea with the hostnames isnt gonna work
[11-Aug-2006 13:15:25] <giesen> since the hostnames point to external IPs
[11-Aug-2006 13:15:31] <giesen> I guess I could edit /etc/hosts
[11-Aug-2006 13:15:34] <giesen> but that seems kind of dirty to me
[11-Aug-2006 13:15:52] <ecn> there are plans to do more with the mibs
[11-Aug-2006 13:15:54] <oubiwann> yeah, there's not question that this is a hack ;-)
[11-Aug-2006 13:16:11] <ecn> like what you are describing
[11-Aug-2006 13:16:17] <giesen> ecn also I ran into a bug
[11-Aug-2006 13:16:29] <giesen> erm wait
[11-Aug-2006 13:16:31] <giesen> I think I fixed that
[11-Aug-2006 13:16:35] <giesen> it was an IE-specific bug
[11-Aug-2006 13:17:11] <giesen> but one sort thing I'd like to be able to do
[11-Aug-2006 13:17:17] <giesen> is use an OID as a product key
[11-Aug-2006 13:17:25] <giesen> so that if that OID is present
[11-Aug-2006 13:17:37] <giesen> then zenoss knows that device such and such a product
[11-Aug-2006 13:17:42] <giesen> made by such and such a manufacturer
[11-Aug-2006 13:18:36] <giesen> but dont get me wrong guys
[11-Aug-2006 13:18:39] <giesen> I love zenoss
[11-Aug-2006 13:18:49] <giesen> it's the most full-featured oss nms I've ever seen
[11-Aug-2006 13:18:51] <giesen> and it works great
[11-Aug-2006 13:18:52] <oubiwann> and don't get us wrong, we *love* your input
[11-Aug-2006 13:18:55] <oubiwann> :-)
[11-Aug-2006 13:19:12] <giesen> and the great thing is zenoss is so brimming with possibility
[11-Aug-2006 13:19:13] <oubiwann> awesome, that's great to hear!
[11-Aug-2006 13:19:20] <giesen> because it's so well designed
[11-Aug-2006 13:19:35] <giesen> but an OID browser
[11-Aug-2006 13:19:45] <giesen> would really make it an enterprise-class NMS
[11-Aug-2006 13:21:08] <giesen> also
[11-Aug-2006 13:21:18] <giesen> is the SNPP functionality actually working?
[11-Aug-2006 13:22:04] <oubiwann> giesen: dunno about that. ecn?
[11-Aug-2006 13:22:29] <giesen> I want to put a modem in the box
[11-Aug-2006 13:22:32] <giesen> so that if the network is down
[11-Aug-2006 13:22:36] <giesen> and it cant get mail out
[11-Aug-2006 13:22:46] <giesen> it actually dials up and sends an SMS/page
[11-Aug-2006 13:23:15] <giesen> even better would be text-to-speech functionality
[11-Aug-2006 13:23:21] <giesen> where I actually get a phone call from the machine
[11-Aug-2006 13:23:29] <giesen> I have a buddy who used to work at a radio station
[11-Aug-2006 13:23:33] <giesen> and his transmitter did that
[11-Aug-2006 13:23:46] <giesen> but that's definitely not a priority for me
[11-Aug-2006 13:23:53] <giesen> just a would be nice to have
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:00] <giesen> there's other things I'd rather see first
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:21] <ecn> yes, other customers have pages go out all the time
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:29] <giesen> how is it configured?
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:39] <giesen> how do you configure which gateway it uses
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:40] <ecn> under users
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:42] <giesen> etc.
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:43] <ecn> dunno
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:45] <ecn> 8-)
[11-Aug-2006 13:24:49] <ecn> helpful, aren't I?
[11-Aug-2006 13:25:07] <giesen> I think that's one of zenoss' current worse problems
[11-Aug-2006 13:25:12] <giesen> is a lack of documentation
[11-Aug-2006 13:25:23] <ecn> ya... doc guy/gal is coming
[11-Aug-2006 13:25:23] <giesen> I know it's hard because the product it always changing
[11-Aug-2006 13:25:48] <giesen> probably half the stuff I want is implemented in some fashion or another
[11-Aug-2006 13:25:52] <giesen> but I dont know where it is/how to use it
[11-Aug-2006 13:26:21] <ecn> i know... i even forget how to do things I used to do
[11-Aug-2006 13:27:16] <giesen> I'm sure once I've played with it more
[11-Aug-2006 13:27:21] <giesen> I'll figure out a lot of the stuff
[11-Aug-2006 13:27:37] <giesen> but getting that knowledge out to new users is important imho
[11-Aug-2006 13:27:53] <giesen> hmmm
[11-Aug-2006 13:28:02] <giesen> oubiwann's trick seems to have worked
[11-Aug-2006 13:28:18] <oubiwann> sweet
[11-Aug-2006 13:28:25] <giesen> it doesnt show me any IPs on the box though
[11-Aug-2006 13:28:27] <giesen> just 127.0.0.1
[11-Aug-2006 13:28:28] <oubiwann> at least for a temp, solution ;-)
[11-Aug-2006 13:28:44] <oubiwann> hmmm
[11-Aug-2006 13:28:56] <giesen> yeah it looks like pbx1 stole the ips
[11-Aug-2006 13:29:00] <giesen> from pbx
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:16] <giesen> that may work though
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:24] <giesen> since I can hard code the nagios plugin with the proper IP
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:27] <giesen> it's definitely a hack
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:33] <giesen> but I guess it'll work for the time being
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:42] <giesen> oh
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:44] <giesen> another suggestion
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:48] <giesen> just to throw something out there
[11-Aug-2006 13:30:51] <giesen> a WAP interface =)
[11-Aug-2006 13:31:31] <oubiwann> giesen: yeah, we're discussing this actually :-)
[11-Aug-2006 13:31:41] <giesen> man now look what you guys have done
[11-Aug-2006 13:31:45] <giesen> been talking to you so long
[11-Aug-2006 13:31:48] <giesen> I missed half of my show
[11-Aug-2006 13:31:51] <giesen> =p
[11-Aug-2006 13:33:29] <oubiwann> heh
[11-Aug-2006 13:34:40] <giesen> stuck home from work for like the next week
[11-Aug-2006 13:34:46] <giesen> so I'm watching 5 episodes of star trek a day
[11-Aug-2006 13:34:47] <giesen> haha
[11-Aug-2006 13:35:23] * oubiwann laughs
[11-Aug-2006 13:35:28] <oubiwann> I was wondering ;-)
[11-Aug-2006 13:37:15] <giesen> btw
[11-Aug-2006 13:37:21] <giesen> do you have any idea what the component is
[11-Aug-2006 13:37:26] <giesen> in the nagconf config
[11-Aug-2006 13:37:42] <giesen> event key would be nice to know too
[11-Aug-2006 13:37:57] <ecn> they are part of the log message
[11-Aug-2006 13:38:04] <ecn> you can put whatever you like in there
[11-Aug-2006 13:38:33] <ecn> So... if you are monitoring http, you can set the component to Apache or httpd
[11-Aug-2006 13:38:42] <giesen> ah
[11-Aug-2006 13:39:01] <ecn> you can set the event key to trigger log processing rules
[11-Aug-2006 13:39:13] <ecn> like "go right to the history table"
[11-Aug-2006 13:39:23] <ecn> or "raise the priority to something that will page me"
[11-Aug-2006 13:39:32] <giesen> gotcha
[11-Aug-2006 13:39:47] <giesen> yeah, this nagconf really needs to be documented
[11-Aug-2006 13:39:58] <giesen> cause otherwise it's useless on anything other than a per-device basis
[11-Aug-2006 14:17:48] <giesen> well I think I got my nagios stuff setup
[11-Aug-2006 14:18:07] <ecn> great!
[11-Aug-2006 14:18:27] <giesen> I guess I should actually test it
[11-Aug-2006 14:20:52] <giesen> ecn who would I talk to about the snpp stuff?
[11-Aug-2006 14:20:57] <giesen> edahl?
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:09] <ecn> Just send it to the list
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:14] <ecn> erik is out until tues
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:17] <giesen> ah
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:21] <giesen> that sucks
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:25] <giesen> cause I'm stuck at home till tues
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:34] <giesen> which is when all this stuff is gonna get done
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:52] <giesen> oh well, I'll make do I guess
[11-Aug-2006 14:21:53] <ecn> I will try to take a look monday
[11-Aug-2006 14:22:14] <ecn> if you have a message on -users it will stay in my "to do" list
[11-Aug-2006 14:22:25] <giesen> k
[11-Aug-2006 14:29:47] * giesen submits a bunch of tickets for other stuff
[11-Aug-2006 14:30:02] <ecn> thx
[11-Aug-2006 15:54:04] <socialist> so, I"m still getting a few
[11-Aug-2006 15:54:20] <socialist> "WARNING:twsnmp.protocol:Bad response" after patching
[11-Aug-2006 15:55:01] <giesen> poor ecn
[11-Aug-2006 15:55:07] <socialist> heheh
[11-Aug-2006 15:55:17] <giesen> I dogged him a little too mu
[11-Aug-2006 15:55:19] <giesen> *much
[11-Aug-2006 15:55:43] <ecn> send me packetses and I trick pysnmp into eating whatever is coming at you
[11-Aug-2006 15:55:56] <ecn> send me packetses and I will trick pysnmp into eating whatever is coming at you
[11-Aug-2006 15:55:56] <socialist> I can probly fix it
[11-Aug-2006 15:56:06] <socialist> ok
[11-Aug-2006 15:56:21] <ecn> 64-bit box?
[11-Aug-2006 15:56:36] <ecn> if so, I'll go to the heart and fix net-snmp
[11-Aug-2006 15:57:25] <giesen> oh
[11-Aug-2006 15:57:27] <giesen> I remember another bug
[11-Aug-2006 15:57:31] <giesen> you guys can look into
[11-Aug-2006 15:57:32] <giesen> =)
[11-Aug-2006 15:58:22] <socialist> ecn: yes it is
[11-Aug-2006 15:58:38] <socialist> ecn: I"ve already applied the patch from -users though
[11-Aug-2006 15:58:57] <socialist> fixed like 80% or more, but just a few still do it
[11-Aug-2006 15:59:46] <ecn> there are now 3 patches to pysnmp
[11-Aug-2006 15:59:48] <socialist> ah
[11-Aug-2006 15:59:59] <socialist> posted to the list?
[11-Aug-2006 15:59:59] <ecn> you can pull them out of svn
[11-Aug-2006 16:00:04] <socialist> ah even better
[11-Aug-2006 16:00:20] <socialist> so I don't need to fix it, yeah?
[11-Aug-2006 16:00:29] <ecn> maybe not
[11-Aug-2006 16:00:43] <ecn> last one was a counter >32 bits
[11-Aug-2006 16:06:21] <ecn> some news here: http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/applications/index.html
[11-Aug-2006 16:06:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Sources | InfoWorld (at weblog.infoworld.com)
[11-Aug-2006 16:06:31] *** ecn changes topic to "go team Zenoss! Bill is on his own."
[11-Aug-2006 16:06:45] <socialist> ecn: fixed, thanks
[11-Aug-2006 16:07:17] <socialist> "launched their first human child" HAHAH
[11-Aug-2006 16:18:57] <creiht> wow... Congrats guys!
[11-Aug-2006 16:22:28] <giesen> nice
[11-Aug-2006 16:22:32] * giesen goes to take a nap
[11-Aug-2006 16:23:33] <socialist> 4.8m huh
[11-Aug-2006 16:23:45] * giesen holds out his cup
[11-Aug-2006 16:23:51] <socialist> *cough* hire me as consultant *cough*
[11-Aug-2006 16:24:33] <creiht> laughs
[11-Aug-2006 16:24:49] <creiht> I'll start charging for my improvement ideas, and bug reports
[11-Aug-2006 16:24:55] <socialist> haha no doubt
[11-Aug-2006 16:25:42] <ecn> resume's to jobs@zenoss.com
[11-Aug-2006 16:26:02] <ecn> must be able to read SNMP packets without tools
[11-Aug-2006 16:26:04] <ecn> 8-)
[11-Aug-2006 16:26:15] <giesen> ecn do you know if the plan is to eventually have a tiered product?
[11-Aug-2006 16:26:23] <giesen> or are you guys gonna continue on a paid support model?
[11-Aug-2006 16:26:33] <ecn> always open source
[11-Aug-2006 16:27:24] <ecn> yes... make money on support & custom services... but I know _nothing_ of business model stuff
[11-Aug-2006 16:27:51] <ecn> I just know that everyone gets to make fun of my crappy code forever
[11-Aug-2006 16:27:53] <giesen> I was wondering if you're gonna go on like the SugarCRM model
[11-Aug-2006 16:28:02] <giesen> where they have the lowend open source model
[11-Aug-2006 16:28:11] <giesen> and then a higher end paid product
[11-Aug-2006 16:28:21] <socialist> ecn: see that's why you need us random people to give code, because ours will be funnier
[11-Aug-2006 16:28:30] <giesen> haha
[11-Aug-2006 16:28:40] <giesen> yeah everyone would have a chuckle at any code I write
[11-Aug-2006 16:28:51] <ecn> giesen: I don't know about the business plan
[11-Aug-2006 16:29:19] <ecn> friggin' phone rings more today than yesterday
[11-Aug-2006 16:29:26] <ecn> good day for erik & bill to be out
[11-Aug-2006 16:29:31] * giesen stops prank calling ecn
[11-Aug-2006 16:29:36] <ecn> lol
[11-Aug-2006 16:30:04] * socialist starts
[11-Aug-2006 16:30:12] <giesen> nice
[11-Aug-2006 16:30:16] <giesen> we gotta do this in shifts
[11-Aug-2006 16:30:21] <giesen> so we always keep him busy
[11-Aug-2006 16:30:26] <giesen> day and night
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:00] <ecn> in 30 mins I go home
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:03] <ecn> call all you like
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:09] <giesen> that's what you think =)
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:18] <socialist> so fiveruns looks like a hosted solution
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:30] <socialist> oh duh yes it is
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:34] <giesen> ooh
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:47] <giesen> I like the sounds of that
[11-Aug-2006 16:31:58] <socialist> depends, I suppose
[11-Aug-2006 16:32:31] <giesen> not for myself
[11-Aug-2006 16:32:36] <giesen> as something to sell to my customers
[11-Aug-2006 16:33:18] <socialist> idea: zenoss passive support for a central hosted instance to manage multiple sites
[11-Aug-2006 16:33:37] <socialist> where do I send the bill?
[11-Aug-2006 16:34:18] <ecn> sorry: already had the idea
[11-Aug-2006 16:34:33] <ecn> zenoss.net is reserved 8-)
[11-Aug-2006 16:34:51] <giesen> hehe
[11-Aug-2006 16:34:58] <giesen> I like the idea of that
[11-Aug-2006 16:51:12] <zaf> i'm using zenoss to monitor networks for multiple customers
[11-Aug-2006 16:53:13] <socialist> taking data passively?
[11-Aug-2006 16:56:42] <zaf> polling
[11-Aug-2006 16:56:48] <zaf> we have vpns to them all
[11-Aug-2006 16:57:07] <socialist> hehe that's different
[11-Aug-2006 16:57:30] <zaf> i have another product that passively collects data from certain types of devices too
[11-Aug-2006 16:58:28] <socialist> interesting
[11-Aug-2006 16:58:37] <zaf> between the two of them i get pretty good info
[11-Aug-2006 17:03:22] <socialist> cripes fscking a 4TB volume takes a long time
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[11-Aug-2006 17:04:00] <zaf> yah
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[11-Aug-2006 18:20:00] <socialist> hm, is it normal for zenmodeler.py to eat up 100% CPU for several hours straight
[11-Aug-2006 18:20:50] <ecn> do you have a /16 net?
[11-Aug-2006 18:21:13] <ecn> it's just pinging it's little heart out
[11-Aug-2006 18:22:10] <socialist> I think it's remodeling actually
[11-Aug-2006 18:22:16] <socialist> very little icmp traffic
[11-Aug-2006 18:22:22] <socialist> way way more snmp
[11-Aug-2006 18:22:25] <ecn> oh
[11-Aug-2006 18:22:30] <ecn> how many devices do you have?
[11-Aug-2006 18:22:37] <socialist> 250ish
[11-Aug-2006 18:22:53] <ecn> nice
[11-Aug-2006 18:23:46] <ecn> how many file descriptors are open for that process now? ls /proc/[process id]/fd | wc
[11-Aug-2006 18:24:36] <ecn> (btw, I'm just curious... not debugging)
[11-Aug-2006 18:25:09] <socialist> er, it just stopped
[11-Aug-2006 18:25:37] <socialist> 411
[11-Aug-2006 18:25:41] <giesen> man that nap was good
[11-Aug-2006 18:26:02] <socialist> may have been more though, it just calmed down right as you asked
[11-Aug-2006 18:26:17] <ecn> good zenmodeler, good boy
[11-Aug-2006 18:26:23] <giesen> haha
[11-Aug-2006 18:26:42] <giesen> socialist: how much ram is your machine using
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[11-Aug-2006 18:30:16] <socialist> total?
[11-Aug-2006 18:30:52] <socialist> 2039584k used, 20796k free, 149228k buffers 1006892k cached
[11-Aug-2006 18:31:34] <giesen> ah, very simialr to mine
[11-Aug-2006 18:31:48] <giesen> most of it being used by buffers and disk cache
[11-Aug-2006 18:32:03] <socialist> zope is always a bit of a hog, it's sitting on about ~500MB
[11-Aug-2006 18:32:11] <giesen> yeah same with mine
[11-Aug-2006 18:32:20] <giesen> and another gig between buffers and cache
[11-Aug-2006 18:33:22] <socialist> anyone using partitions larger than 2TB?
[11-Aug-2006 18:34:14] <ecn> no, but are you seeing any problems monitoring disks of that size?
[11-Aug-2006 18:34:52] <ecn> Sven, an advid zenoss user in germany said he saw problems
[11-Aug-2006 18:35:02] <ecn> I think w/memory over 2G.
[11-Aug-2006 18:35:18] <ecn> but it's all the same: disk & memory via snmp
[11-Aug-2006 18:35:36] <socialist> ecn: not yet, I'm having partitioning trouble
[11-Aug-2006 18:36:02] <socialist> I have lots of systems with more than 2GB RAM though
[11-Aug-2006 18:36:06] <socialist> no issues yet
[11-Aug-2006 18:42:49] <socialist> I feel dumb
[11-Aug-2006 18:43:17] <socialist> I can't seem to create a 3tb partition
[11-Aug-2006 18:45:07] <socialist> ahhhhhh
[11-Aug-2006 18:50:56] <socialist> > 2TB requires a GPT partition table
[11-Aug-2006 19:12:28] <giesen> ecn you add a ticket for that shared ip thing?
[11-Aug-2006 19:23:35] <giesen> Can someone update ticket 241 to say it's for IE only.
[11-Aug-2006 19:30:51] <ecn> giesen: ticket was added
[11-Aug-2006 19:32:31] <ecn> done
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[11-Aug-2006 20:05:09] <socialist> hm, in one device area, I have a warning event for a device under "events" but the device itself shows green
[11-Aug-2006 20:07:58] <socialist> that is, snmp is down for a system, but the system's snmp field in the device list is green
[11-Aug-2006 20:24:25] <giesen> yeah
[11-Aug-2006 20:24:33] <giesen> thats because the event has corrected it self
[11-Aug-2006 20:24:42] <giesen> but it's still unacknowledged
[11-Aug-2006 20:24:46] <giesen> that confused me a bit too
[11-Aug-2006 20:25:09] <giesen> should maybe have it setup to not have to acknowledge events that are no longer active
[11-Aug-2006 20:43:52] <socialist> hm
[11-Aug-2006 20:44:02] <socialist> it was green before it had been corrected though
[11-Aug-2006 20:44:11] <socialist> but otherwise that sounds accurate
[11-Aug-2006 20:44:49] <socialist> the device is question is bad to test with, it's acting weird anyway
[11-Aug-2006 21:00:37] <giesen> the best is the PDU that I constantly get complaining that it's exceeding 75% usage on the nic
[11-Aug-2006 21:00:57] <giesen> by like 3-4 times the speed of the nic
[11-Aug-2006 21:01:10] <giesen> or my freebsd boxes
[11-Aug-2006 21:01:22] <giesen> that constantly complaing about not being able to read ssWaitCpu
[11-Aug-2006 21:01:25] <giesen> or something like that
[11-Aug-2006 21:02:34] <socialist> I'm curious if the "count" field by events is accurate
[11-Aug-2006 21:03:02] <socialist> if it is, on event I have has has 648 retries in the past 20 minutes
[11-Aug-2006 21:03:06] <socialist> one*
[11-Aug-2006 21:03:15] <socialist> that seems a little excessive
[11-Aug-2006 21:08:15] <giesen> nice
[11-Aug-2006 21:08:35] <giesen> that's like one every 2 seconds
[11-Aug-2006 21:08:38] <giesen> that might not be that far off
[11-Aug-2006 21:32:51] <socialist> I'm off
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[12-Aug-2006 03:25:38] <DaiTengu> anyone alive?
[12-Aug-2006 03:43:26] <socialist> only dead people here
[12-Aug-2006 03:45:35] <DaiTengu> apparently
[12-Aug-2006 03:46:03] <DaiTengu> mkdir: cannot create directory `build': Permission denied" error
[12-Aug-2006 03:46:06] <DaiTengu> er
[12-Aug-2006 03:46:13] <DaiTengu> I'm trying to install zenoss but I keep getting a "mkdir: cannot create directory `build': Permission denied" errpr
[12-Aug-2006 03:46:17] <DaiTengu> something like that
[12-Aug-2006 03:46:17] <DaiTengu>
[12-Aug-2006 03:46:28] <DaiTengu> I can't find in the install.sh file where it's trying to create that directory
[12-Aug-2006 03:46:56] <socialist> do you have write permissions in the zenoss source directory?
[12-Aug-2006 03:47:13] <socialist> it creates it in the source directory itself
[12-Aug-2006 03:47:27] <DaiTengu> hmm
[12-Aug-2006 03:47:34] * DaiTengu gives it a try
[12-Aug-2006 03:47:57] <DaiTengu> yay!
[12-Aug-2006 03:48:19] <DaiTengu> so far so good
[12-Aug-2006 03:48:21] <DaiTengu> thanks
[12-Aug-2006 03:48:26] <socialist> no problem
[12-Aug-2006 05:00:04] <DaiTengu> grr
[12-Aug-2006 05:00:06] <DaiTengu> now I keep getting:
[12-Aug-2006 05:00:07] <DaiTengu> ERROR:zen.Events:(2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)")
[12-Aug-2006 05:00:17] <DaiTengu> mysql is running quite fine
[12-Aug-2006 05:00:42] <socialist> mysql user/password/permissions?
[12-Aug-2006 05:00:56] <DaiTengu> does the 111 mean it's trying to connect on that port, though?
[12-Aug-2006 05:01:10] <DaiTengu> It seems like it used the right username/password to install the databases.
[12-Aug-2006 05:01:43] <socialist> no, that's the error code
[12-Aug-2006 05:01:57] <DaiTengu> hmm
[12-Aug-2006 05:01:58] <socialist> on localhost it will be trying to connect via unix socket
[12-Aug-2006 05:02:08] <DaiTengu> maybe I fudged typing in the password on the install
[12-Aug-2006 05:03:18] <socialist> how familiar are you with mysql
[12-Aug-2006 05:03:37] <DaiTengu> fairly familliar
[12-Aug-2006 05:04:06] <socialist> check that you can connect to the local database manually, using hte username and password you gave to the zenoss install
[12-Aug-2006 05:04:11] <socialist> s/hte/the/
[12-Aug-2006 05:04:20] <DaiTengu> already tried that
[12-Aug-2006 05:04:22] <DaiTengu> it works
[12-Aug-2006 05:04:22] <DaiTengu>
[12-Aug-2006 05:04:33] <DaiTengu> I think I may have fudged typing the password in on the install.sh though
[12-Aug-2006 05:04:53] <DaiTengu> so maybe I gave zenoss the wrong password.
[12-Aug-2006 05:32:03] <DaiTengu> ha
[12-Aug-2006 05:32:07] <DaiTengu> it's not using the socket
[12-Aug-2006 05:32:12] <DaiTengu> I have mysql bound to one IP
[12-Aug-2006 05:32:19] <DaiTengu> it's trying to connect via 127.0.0.1
[12-Aug-2006 05:32:23] <socialist> ah
[12-Aug-2006 05:32:28] <socialist> that would do it
[12-Aug-2006 05:32:32] <DaiTengu> yep
[12-Aug-2006 05:33:09] <giesen> wow
[12-Aug-2006 05:33:17] <giesen> people alive at this hour
[12-Aug-2006 05:33:27] <giesen> on a saturday morning no less
[12-Aug-2006 05:33:36] <DaiTengu> heh
[12-Aug-2006 05:33:48] <DaiTengu> my CEO gave me 24 hours to get a good monitoring solution set up for our system.
[12-Aug-2006 05:33:50] <socialist> let's not magnify how little of a life I have these day, mkay?
[12-Aug-2006 05:33:53] <DaiTengu> I've got 3 hours left
[12-Aug-2006 05:34:16] <DaiTengu> I spent about 12 hours fighting with nagios
[12-Aug-2006 05:34:34] <socialist> tell your CEO to stop being a twerp
[12-Aug-2006 05:34:43] <DaiTengu> I did
[12-Aug-2006 05:34:43] <giesen> uh
[12-Aug-2006 05:34:56] <giesen> an nms setup is probably one of the most time consuming things to setup
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:02] <socialist> no doubt
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:09] <giesen> so it's hard enough to get a bad setup within 24 hours
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:12] <DaiTengu> I've been fighting with nagios for over a week actually.
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:12] <giesen> let alone a good one
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:24] <DaiTengu> spent a good 12 hours on it today
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:26] <giesen> yeah nagios is a bitch to config
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:31] <socialist> tedious
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:34] <DaiTengu> indeed
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:42] <giesen> did you use nagioswebconfig
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:45] <giesen> or do it by hand?
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:47] <DaiTengu> I used fruity
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:50] <giesen> au
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:52] <giesen> *ah
[12-Aug-2006 05:35:57] <socialist> hah have you seen their catchphrase?
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:03] <giesen> I setup a customer with nagios and nagiowebcfg
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:09] <giesen> seemed to work well enough
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:16] <giesen> that was before I discovered zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:18] <socialist> "Okay, so maybe it won't be fun; however, it won't be as difficult as before."
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:29] <DaiTengu> right
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:30] <giesen> I would have set him up with it had I known
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:40] <socialist> read: Fruity makes configuring Nagios suck less. A little.
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:50] <giesen> nagioswebcfg is not bad
[12-Aug-2006 05:36:54] <giesen> once you get it working
[12-Aug-2006 05:37:06] <DaiTengu> we went through about 2 hours of downtime this morning when an up2date update on our redhat machines fudged mysql
[12-Aug-2006 05:37:13] <socialist> I've been using nagios since it was netsaint 0.1-ish
[12-Aug-2006 05:37:15] <DaiTengu> well
[12-Aug-2006 05:37:17] <DaiTengu> yesterday morning
[12-Aug-2006 05:37:32] <giesen> nagios isnt that bad
[12-Aug-2006 05:37:36] <socialist> it's not
[12-Aug-2006 05:37:41] <giesen> ist' just not anywhere near as complete as zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 05:38:00] <giesen> or as pretty
[12-Aug-2006 05:38:04] <giesen> the plugin system is nice though
[12-Aug-2006 05:38:08] <DaiTengu> I'm looking for a decent balance of easy to set up and lots of features.
[12-Aug-2006 05:38:10] <giesen> I'm glad it was ported over to nagios
[12-Aug-2006 05:38:11] <socialist> well he has never managed to get a coherent roadmap as to what nagios should be doing
[12-Aug-2006 05:38:12] <giesen> erm, zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 05:39:30] <DaiTengu> yay
[12-Aug-2006 05:39:31] <DaiTengu> it's running
[12-Aug-2006 05:39:46] <DaiTengu> now I'll just firewall mysql off from outside IPs...
[12-Aug-2006 05:39:57] <socialist> btw, avoid renaming your objects for now
[12-Aug-2006 05:40:24] <socialist> I think my reorganizing everything broke some of the default setup
[12-Aug-2006 05:40:32] <socialist> very fixable, but costs time
[12-Aug-2006 05:41:27] <giesen> DaiTengu: or you could just set mysql to only run on localhost
[12-Aug-2006 05:41:40] <giesen> unless you have some other machine that needs access to it
[12-Aug-2006 05:43:07] <socialist> hey giesen, does a "normal" out-of-the-box setup have the performance graphs for Server devices?
[12-Aug-2006 05:43:15] <socialist> or do you have to add everything
[12-Aug-2006 05:43:26] <giesen> it should have a few graphs
[12-Aug-2006 05:43:29] <giesen> for CPU usage
[12-Aug-2006 05:43:32] <socialist> yeah those
[12-Aug-2006 05:43:33] <giesen> and memory usage
[12-Aug-2006 05:43:35] <giesen> swap usage
[12-Aug-2006 05:44:02] <socialist> I reorganized the hierarchy and I think it deleted the perfConf for Server
[12-Aug-2006 05:44:08] <socialist> well, I did
[12-Aug-2006 05:44:21] <giesen> well you can always reset it
[12-Aug-2006 05:44:33] <giesen> but you'll probably lose lose all your devices
[12-Aug-2006 05:44:48] <socialist> nah I'm just gonna recreate it
[12-Aug-2006 05:45:07] <giesen> if you want to do something with your hierarchy
[12-Aug-2006 05:45:15] <giesen> you're better off doing it using the groups
[12-Aug-2006 05:45:16] <giesen> or system
[12-Aug-2006 05:45:24] <socialist> I see that now
[12-Aug-2006 05:45:27] <giesen> and leave the devices tree alone
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:00] <socialist> actually, I might just be better off resetting and doing that
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:07] <socialist> this is just a POC anyway
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:14] <giesen> depends how many devices you have
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:20] <giesen> and how much time you have spent
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:25] <socialist> lots
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:27] <giesen> I'd die if I had to redo everything
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:38] <socialist> I discovered everything
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:42] <giesen> because I added tons of performance monitors
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:46] <giesen> by hand
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:48] <socialist> so it's more time than effort
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:50] <socialist> ack
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:57] <socialist> yeah I haven't done that yet
[12-Aug-2006 05:46:58] <giesen> so for example
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:10] <giesen> I can track the voltage and run time on my 2 UPSs
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:15] <giesen> and load
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:16] <socialist> nice
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:18] <giesen> it's great
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:31] <giesen> also have something to monitor temperature in the datacentre
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:36] <socialist> so you have live instances... how is the alerting workign for you?
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:45] <giesen> works great
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:53] <socialist> even without escalations?
[12-Aug-2006 05:47:54] <giesen> I wish it was a little more comprehensive
[12-Aug-2006 05:48:07] <giesen> I've submitted a couple tickets for enhancements
[12-Aug-2006 05:48:12] <socialist> I saw some
[12-Aug-2006 05:48:38] <giesen> the alerting is probably the weakest part of zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 05:48:43] <giesen> but it's getting better
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:04] <socialist> The only thing really bothering me so far is the zope-ness
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:14] <giesen> but Im pretty amazed by how quickly everything is getting better in it
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:27] <socialist> I use zope a lot and certain things about it never cease to annoy me
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:34] <giesen> the thing that bothers me is all the dependencies and how it's all bunlded together
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:41] <giesen> I was trying to write a gentoo ebuild for it
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:44] <socialist> haha
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:44] <giesen> and it's all a tangled mess
[12-Aug-2006 05:49:53] <socialist> I almost did that
[12-Aug-2006 05:50:02] <giesen> I made some progress
[12-Aug-2006 05:50:05] <socialist> s/did/attempted/
[12-Aug-2006 05:50:11] <giesen> I may take another crack at it this weekend
[12-Aug-2006 05:51:23] <giesen> I should probably write an init scripts for zenoss in the mean time
[12-Aug-2006 05:51:31] <giesen> rather than having to start it by hand every time I reboot the box
[12-Aug-2006 05:51:50] <socialist> you can pretty mush use bin/zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 05:51:59] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 05:52:06] <giesen> I'd probably want replace that
[12-Aug-2006 05:52:33] <giesen> I've never used anything that used zope before
[12-Aug-2006 05:52:40] <giesen> so Im not too sure what to make of it
[12-Aug-2006 05:52:51] <giesen> but based on how easily they're able to add funcationlity
[12-Aug-2006 05:53:03] <giesen> I'd have to say its pros probably outweigh its cons
[12-Aug-2006 05:53:14] <socialist> they do, generally
[12-Aug-2006 05:53:20] <giesen> and it doesnt bother me too much that it has a big memory footprint
[12-Aug-2006 05:53:26] <giesen> since ram is cheaper than developers
[12-Aug-2006 05:53:46] <socialist> heh yeah
[12-Aug-2006 05:53:56] <socialist> there are just some zope-isms you have to get used to
[12-Aug-2006 05:54:08] <socialist> they did a lot of wheel reinventing
[12-Aug-2006 05:54:10] <socialist> and renaming
[12-Aug-2006 05:55:23] <socialist> mysql part of install.sh is broken in svn
[12-Aug-2006 05:55:25] <socialist> blen
[12-Aug-2006 05:55:57] <giesen> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 05:56:11] <giesen> I generally wait for releases
[12-Aug-2006 05:56:17] <giesen> which come pretty often
[12-Aug-2006 05:56:27] <giesen> havent got to the point where I'm using trunk yet
[12-Aug-2006 05:56:34] <socialist> I'm just messing around
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:04] <giesen> did you ever try opennms
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:14] <socialist> very briefly
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:19] <giesen> same with me
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:28] <giesen> it's just nowhere near as comprehensive as zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:35] <giesen> it's more of a network ping utility
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:40] <socialist> I've been doing nagios for a long long time
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:51] <giesen> doesnt have anywhere near the snmp-awareness that zenoss does
[12-Aug-2006 05:57:53] <giesen> nor does nagios
[12-Aug-2006 05:58:03] <socialist> yeah I don't need another glorified ping script
[12-Aug-2006 06:03:33] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 06:03:49] <giesen> I'll love it when I'll be able to browse the snmp tree for a device
[12-Aug-2006 06:03:54] <giesen> and be able to read and set values at will
[12-Aug-2006 06:04:57] <socialist> are your devices identifying their CPUs ok?
[12-Aug-2006 06:05:11] <giesen> depends on the device
[12-Aug-2006 06:05:22] <socialist> any random server...
[12-Aug-2006 06:05:53] <giesen> most of the windows servers are
[12-Aug-2006 06:06:02] <giesen> assuming I have snmp-informat installed
[12-Aug-2006 06:06:07] <giesen> *informant
[12-Aug-2006 06:08:39] <socialist> I don't really have any windows boxes to compare, but I think none of my unix systems are getting their CPUs identified
[12-Aug-2006 06:09:56] <giesen> yeah none of my *nix boxen are
[12-Aug-2006 06:10:18] <socialist> need to find out what OID they're looking at for that ingo
[12-Aug-2006 06:10:19] <socialist> info*
[12-Aug-2006 06:10:49] <socialist> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrDeviceDescr.768 = STRING: AuthenticAMD: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 275
[12-Aug-2006 06:10:49] <socialist> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrDeviceDescr.769 = STRING: AuthenticAMD: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 275
[12-Aug-2006 06:11:01] <giesen> I think it's more a matter of getting an snmp agent on the box
[12-Aug-2006 06:11:01] <socialist> yet cpu isn't found on that system...
[12-Aug-2006 06:11:06] <giesen> that provides it
[12-Aug-2006 06:11:07] <giesen> dunno
[12-Aug-2006 06:11:14] <giesen> I'll add a ticket
[12-Aug-2006 06:11:46] <socialist> I agree about the agent, but the standard net-snmp should do it
[12-Aug-2006 06:11:54] <socialist> it's just info from /proc, basically
[12-Aug-2006 06:12:10] <socialist> no biggie, I'll dig around later
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:14] <socialist> thanks for that tip on groups and systems
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:14] <giesen> hehe I just submitted a ticket
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:23] <giesen> np
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:23] <socialist> I get it now
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:31] <giesen> I'm still trying to work out a usable system
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:43] <giesen> but I do my systems based on teh function of teh box
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:45] <giesen> so web severs
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:48] <giesen> ftp servers
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:49] <giesen> etc
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:53] <socialist> I"m thinking of systems as "what it does" and groups as "who it does it for"
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:57] <giesen> and my groups based who owns it
[12-Aug-2006 06:14:59] <giesen> so customers
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:01] <giesen> proviers
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:02] <giesen> us.
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:07] <socialist> yup
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:08] <giesen> haha
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:11] <giesen> exactly the same
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:21] <socialist> hehe yeah
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:44] <socialist> it's a nice way to cross-reference devices, which is something I am in love with
[12-Aug-2006 06:15:50] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 06:16:00] <giesen> I just wish there was a nice way to edit multiple devices
[12-Aug-2006 06:16:04] <socialist> the only thing nicer is if you could define your own top-level categories
[12-Aug-2006 06:16:09] <socialist> oh god yes
[12-Aug-2006 06:16:15] <socialist> I was going to ask about that
[12-Aug-2006 06:16:25] <giesen> there is apparently some hackish way to do it
[12-Aug-2006 06:16:29] <giesen> using the zope manager
[12-Aug-2006 06:16:34] <giesen> but I havent looked into it enough
[12-Aug-2006 06:17:01] <socialist> it will come
[12-Aug-2006 06:17:27] <socialist> has to, there is no way an enterprise will roll this out for 5000 nodes if you have to edit things individually
[12-Aug-2006 06:17:34] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 06:17:57] <giesen> Im really quite impressed with the rate at which functionality is being added
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:04] <giesen> I've only been using it for a couple weeks now
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:12] <giesen> and there's already been a lot added
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:22] <giesen> it's very promising
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:25] <socialist> I'm still trying to figure out where they came from
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:30] <giesen> and seems very well designed from the ground up
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:35] <giesen> to be able to add all of this
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:36] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:42] <giesen> I'd never heard of them before 2 weeks ago
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:47] <socialist> me neither
[12-Aug-2006 06:18:54] <giesen> and apparently they just got $4.8M of investment this week
[12-Aug-2006 06:19:02] <socialist> I see stuff dating back to about Feb., but nothing before that
[12-Aug-2006 06:19:07] <socialist> yeah I saw that
[12-Aug-2006 06:19:08] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 06:19:13] <giesen> the project is definitely new
[12-Aug-2006 06:19:16] <giesen> and it shows in a few parts
[12-Aug-2006 06:19:24] <giesen> but that's quickly changing
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:13] <socialist> well I hope it works out for me, I'd rather not have to write equivalents by myself
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:24] <socialist> heh
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:31] <socialist> ok I need to sleep
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:37] <socialist> g'night
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:37] <giesen> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:40] <giesen> been nice talking to ya
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:41] <giesen> night
[12-Aug-2006 06:20:49] <soc|zzz> you too
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[12-Aug-2006 12:56:48] <landonf_> Hallo
[12-Aug-2006 12:57:24] <socialist> hi
[12-Aug-2006 12:58:46] * landonf_ wonders about the topic
[12-Aug-2006 12:58:51] <landonf_> Also, hi fsweetser
[12-Aug-2006 12:59:23] <socialist> Bill had a baby I think
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[12-Aug-2006 13:08:51] <giesen> yep
[12-Aug-2006 13:09:55] <giesen> News: Zenoss lands $4.8m for OSS IT Management
[12-Aug-2006 13:10:21] <giesen> News: Zenoss lands $4.8m for Not only did founder Bill Karpovich announce the funding of Zenoss, his wife launched their first human child today. Congrats Bill and team.
[12-Aug-2006 13:10:51] <landonf__> Well that's pretty darn cool.
[12-Aug-2006 13:11:24] <landonf__> Makes me feel better about investing time and development resources in the project, too. Won't be gone, in theory, next year
[12-Aug-2006 13:11:38] <giesen> yeah
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[12-Aug-2006 13:24:07] <socialist> giesen, can you change the name of a device or do you just have to recreate it?
[12-Aug-2006 13:27:15] <giesen> you can change it
[12-Aug-2006 13:27:19] <giesen> it's under manage device
[12-Aug-2006 13:27:20] <giesen> sec
[12-Aug-2006 13:27:51] <socialist> oh ok I see it, thanks
[12-Aug-2006 13:28:18] <giesen> np
[12-Aug-2006 14:03:33] <socialist> I need an snmpd with portage and dpkg support
{[12-Aug-2006 14:08:49] <socialist> cripes I also need bulk editing
[12-Aug-2006 14:20:08] <giesen> yeah I know
[12-Aug-2006 14:20:21] <giesen> that's my big gripe with net-snmpd
[12-Aug-2006 14:20:32] <giesen> it's not setup to support portage
[12-Aug-2006 14:20:39] <giesen> I wonder how hard that would be to do
[12-Aug-2006 14:20:48] <giesen> \and yes, bulk editing would be nice
[12-Aug-2006 14:21:18] <giesen> I need a laptop with more ram :/
[12-Aug-2006 14:21:33] <giesen> 1 GB just isnt enough for running a vmware machine and eclipse
[12-Aug-2006 14:34:44] <socialist> ick yeah
[12-Aug-2006 14:36:22] <socialist> problem with net-snmp is that it has explicit RPM support built into it. Any other packaging systems would require additional code, or at least a subagent
[12-Aug-2006 14:37:16] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 14:37:31] <giesen> but I cant imagine it would be that hard to read the gentoo package database
[12-Aug-2006 14:37:38] <socialist> you wouldn't think
[12-Aug-2006 14:37:55] <socialist> you could do a python subagent and hook right into portage
[12-Aug-2006 14:38:10] <socialist> and a perl one for debian
[12-Aug-2006 14:38:12] <giesen> all you really need
[12-Aug-2006 14:38:24] <giesen> is something that parses the directory structure of /var/db/portage
[12-Aug-2006 14:44:28] <socialist> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalled
[12-Aug-2006 14:44:47] <socialist> all you would really need is to pass that OID onto a script
[12-Aug-2006 14:45:38] <socialist> see PASS-THROUGH CONTROL in the snmpd.conf manpage
[12-Aug-2006 14:47:13] <giesen> yep
[12-Aug-2006 14:47:20] <giesen> who knows
[12-Aug-2006 14:47:23] <giesen> maybe if I get really bored
[12-Aug-2006 14:47:25] <giesen> I'll do it
[12-Aug-2006 14:47:37] <socialist> I'd do one for debian
[12-Aug-2006 14:47:51] <socialist> I'm not using gentoo in production enough to warrant the time
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:10] <giesen> I am
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:17] <giesen> although I'm thinking of moving away from gentoo
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:25] <socialist> oh? why is that
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:26] <giesen> precisely because of stuff like this
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:32] <socialist> ah
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:39] <giesen> it's not supported by nocmonkey either
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:46] <giesen> or the HP monitoring stuff
[12-Aug-2006 14:48:56] <giesen> so I'm thinking of moving to CentOS
[12-Aug-2006 14:49:06] <socialist> I detest RPM
[12-Aug-2006 14:49:26] <socialist> proof positive that smart people can produce retarded software
[12-Aug-2006 14:50:15] <giesen> dont get me wrong
[12-Aug-2006 14:50:19] <giesen> I love gentoo
[12-Aug-2006 14:50:29] <giesen> but it takes me an hour or more to bring a single machine up
[12-Aug-2006 14:50:29] <socialist> no, I get it
[12-Aug-2006 14:50:36] <giesen> and then I have to deal with stuff like this
[12-Aug-2006 14:50:47] <socialist> yeah, managing your own entire binary tree is a lot of work
[12-Aug-2006 14:51:18] <socialist> that's why I'm using debian
[12-Aug-2006 14:51:41] <socialist> I only _need_ to built about 5 packages for custom stuff, and the rest I just rsync from the mirrors
[12-Aug-2006 14:51:55] <socialist> I can roll a debian server in like 25 minutes
[12-Aug-2006 14:55:15] <socialist> TBH though, we mostly run RH and SuSE
[12-Aug-2006 14:55:30] <socialist> development shop, so we run what customers run
[12-Aug-2006 14:56:28] <socialist> but the non-devel boxes are mostly debian or solaris
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[12-Aug-2006 14:57:22] <socialist> holy crap man, have you been up all night?
[12-Aug-2006 14:58:11] <giesen> I slept for about an hour and a half
[12-Aug-2006 14:58:25] <giesen> been napping on and off
[12-Aug-2006 14:58:27] <socialist> yikes
[12-Aug-2006 14:58:36] <giesen> just had surgery so I've had trouble sleeping
[12-Aug-2006 14:58:48] <socialist> ah, that's unfun
[12-Aug-2006 14:59:07] <giesen> meh, I'm surviving
[12-Aug-2006 15:03:43] <socialist> how exactly doe noc monkey pxe boot a server if it's just sitting on the internet
[12-Aug-2006 15:03:59] <socialist> oh nm I get it
[12-Aug-2006 16:07:32] <DaiTengu> hmm, trying to find more than a paragraph on how to set up service & process monitoring...
[12-Aug-2006 16:07:40] <DaiTengu> any idea if there's examples anywhere?
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[12-Aug-2006 16:25:05] <DaiTengu> woot
[12-Aug-2006 16:25:06] <DaiTengu> nevermind
[12-Aug-2006 16:25:07] <DaiTengu> found it
[12-Aug-2006 16:25:30] <giesen> or you can always harass oubiwann_
[12-Aug-2006 16:25:43] <oubiwann_> heh
[12-Aug-2006 16:25:45] <giesen> since he's the jedi master of zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 16:26:14] <oubiwann_> nah, man -- I still need to be approved by the Jedi Council ;-)
[12-Aug-2006 16:28:11] <DaiTengu> uh oh.
[12-Aug-2006 16:28:22] <DaiTengu> I guess I shouldn't be around here, since my path to the Dark Side is nearly complete.
[12-Aug-2006 16:28:25] <DaiTengu> :shifty:
[12-Aug-2006 16:29:51] <giesen> you've been using nagios again, havent you?
[12-Aug-2006 16:29:58] <DaiTengu> started out with it.
[12-Aug-2006 16:30:10] <DaiTengu> spent about 2 weeks, on and off working on it
[12-Aug-2006 16:30:15] <DaiTengu> started with zenoss yesterday
[12-Aug-2006 16:30:19] <DaiTengu> almost have everything set up
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[12-Aug-2006 16:32:19] <giesen> yeah zenoss is a lot quicker
[12-Aug-2006 16:32:22] <giesen> than configuring nagios
[12-Aug-2006 16:33:10] <DaiTengu> almost done configuring services .. then on to disk monitoring...
[12-Aug-2006 16:35:08] <giesen> most of that should be setup by default
[12-Aug-2006 16:35:14] <giesen> as long as your devices support snmp
[12-Aug-2006 16:36:51] <DaiTengu> it shows the partitions, but not the usage and whatnot
[12-Aug-2006 16:36:55] <DaiTengu> looks like I need to play with it a bit
[12-Aug-2006 16:47:57] <socialist> hey oubi what OID do you all look for to identify CPUs?
[12-Aug-2006 16:51:14] <socialist> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrDeviceDescr.768?
[12-Aug-2006 16:57:55] <DaiTengu> feh this admin guide is worthless
[12-Aug-2006 16:59:22] <socialist> it could use a bit more info
[12-Aug-2006 16:59:31] <DaiTengu> examples for idiots like me would be great
[12-Aug-2006 16:59:39] <DaiTengu> s/:0/:)/
[12-Aug-2006 16:59:51] <socialist> just ask here, I'm working through it too
[12-Aug-2006 17:00:58] <DaiTengu> well, my disk usage isn't showing up, and all the admin guide says is:
[12-Aug-2006 17:00:58] <DaiTengu> File system monitoring is only usable if the system has a good HOST-RESOURCES mib.
[12-Aug-2006 17:00:59] <DaiTengu> File systems monitor the amount of blocks used and show total bytes, available bytes,
[12-Aug-2006 17:00:59] <DaiTengu> used bytes and percent used. You can set thresholds to alert when a specific event occurs
[12-Aug-2006 17:00:59] <DaiTengu> such as the disk reaches 90% utilization.
[12-Aug-2006 17:01:09] <DaiTengu> that's great and all
[12-Aug-2006 17:01:10] <DaiTengu> but
[12-Aug-2006 17:01:12] <DaiTengu> how do I do that?
[12-Aug-2006 17:01:31] <DaiTengu> same with setting up CPU and Memory usage monitors
[12-Aug-2006 17:01:58] <socialist> request: a way to query any attribute of an object, I could really use the ability to see something like "all devices that have STRING in their disk list"
[12-Aug-2006 17:02:21] <socialist> did you reorganize the hierarchy?
[12-Aug-2006 17:02:41] <socialist> are all your machines still under /Devices/Server or did you change it?
[12-Aug-2006 17:02:42] <DaiTengu> nope
[12-Aug-2006 17:02:48] <DaiTengu> just saw that in the mailing list
[12-Aug-2006 17:02:50] <DaiTengu> I'm about to go do that now
[12-Aug-2006 17:03:03] <socialist> no don't change it
[12-Aug-2006 17:03:15] <giesen> no leave it
[12-Aug-2006 17:03:20] <giesen> use the system/group trees
[12-Aug-2006 17:03:24] <giesen> dont break the /device tree
[12-Aug-2006 17:03:30] <giesen> but yeah
[12-Aug-2006 17:03:32] <socialist> but _do_ put systems for which you want graphs under /Devices/Server
[12-Aug-2006 17:03:46] <socialist> click on Devices -> Server -> PerfConf
[12-Aug-2006 17:04:07] <giesen> a good example that I an another person are usijng
[12-Aug-2006 17:04:12] <giesen> is devices is the physical hardware
[12-Aug-2006 17:04:12] <socialist> then on "Device" at the top of the list of RRDTemplates
[12-Aug-2006 17:04:22] <giesen> system is the purpose of the machine (ie web server)
[12-Aug-2006 17:04:31] <giesen> and group is who it's for (ie customer, internal, etc)
[12-Aug-2006 17:04:52] <DaiTengu> hmm
[12-Aug-2006 17:05:59] <DaiTengu> should I be setting up the OS Manufacturer and all that? last time I tried doing that it moved the server elsewhere.
[12-Aug-2006 17:06:11] <giesen> depends
[12-Aug-2006 17:06:13] <giesen> if it's a dell
[12-Aug-2006 17:06:25] <giesen> it may move it to /server/OS/dell
[12-Aug-2006 17:06:32] <DaiTengu> I think they're all Dells...
[12-Aug-2006 17:06:34] <socialist> I considered doing that
[12-Aug-2006 17:06:37] <socialist> but it's up to you
[12-Aug-2006 17:06:57] <socialist> The important point here is about the /Devices tree
[12-Aug-2006 17:07:17] <socialist> and /Devices/Server
[12-Aug-2006 17:07:21] <DaiTengu> oh
[12-Aug-2006 17:07:22] <DaiTengu> I see here
[12-Aug-2006 17:07:37] <DaiTengu> I think
[12-Aug-2006 17:07:39] <socialist> if you look in PerfConf under /Devices/Server, you'll see some RRDTemplates
[12-Aug-2006 17:07:43] <DaiTengu> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 17:07:59] <socialist> those will apply to every Device under /Devices/Server
[12-Aug-2006 17:08:34] <socialist> if you put them elsewhere (like /Discovered) then that template will not be applied
[12-Aug-2006 17:08:42] <socialist> ergo no graphs
[12-Aug-2006 17:09:26] <socialist> I created som subdirs under /Devices/Server, but otherwise left the inital structure alone
[12-Aug-2006 17:09:35] <DaiTengu> there's /Devices/Server/Linux
[12-Aug-2006 17:09:46] <DaiTengu> since they're all Linux boxen, should I toss them there?
[12-Aug-2006 17:09:55] <socialist> sure
[12-Aug-2006 17:10:14] <DaiTengu> I'll create subdirectories from there.
[12-Aug-2006 17:11:52] <socialist> the Device RRDTemplate ( in /Devices/Server/PerfConf ) applies to everything under /Devices/Server as far as I can tell
[12-Aug-2006 17:12:00] <socialist> regardless of subdirectories
[12-Aug-2006 17:13:21] <DaiTengu> was just about to ask that.
[12-Aug-2006 17:13:31] <DaiTengu> must take awhile for the data to populate..
[12-Aug-2006 17:13:40] <socialist> yeah a little while
[12-Aug-2006 17:14:33] <socialist> oh, and to see disk graphs, under /Devices/Server/mymachine, click on "OS", then click on the mount-point name
[12-Aug-2006 17:15:14] <DaiTengu> yeah, found that so far .. just waiting for it to populate or whatever.
[12-Aug-2006 17:19:08] <socialist> grumble
[12-Aug-2006 17:20:04] <socialist> DaiTengu: if you end up wanting to move stuff to a different structure under /Devices, you can copy+paste the RRDTemplate elsewhere as well
[12-Aug-2006 17:20:21] <socialist> info for later, maybe
[12-Aug-2006 17:20:29] <DaiTengu> probably won't .. I've only got 8 servers to manage right now.
[12-Aug-2006 17:20:35] <socialist> lucky you
[12-Aug-2006 17:20:43] <DaiTengu> that'll change over the course of the next year, though.
[12-Aug-2006 17:22:25] <DaiTengu> now I have to figure out how to monitor mysql
[12-Aug-2006 17:22:36] <socialist> you can use nagios plugins
[12-Aug-2006 17:22:53] <DaiTengu> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 17:22:59] <giesen> DaiTengu: I'm sure there's a check_mysql
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:05] <giesen> I use check_sip for my asterisk server
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:09] <giesen> and check_tftp for my tftp server
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:15] <DaiTengu> I'd love to be able to graph things on it.
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:26] <DaiTengu> hits, etc.
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:34] <socialist> you're using asterisk?
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:35] <giesen> is that something you can pull out of the database?
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:39] <socialist> how do you like it?
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:43] <giesen> it's pretty good
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:54] <DaiTengu> I think so, yeah.
[12-Aug-2006 17:23:56] <giesen> it's a bit much to wrap your head around at first
[12-Aug-2006 17:24:06] <giesen> DaiTengu: then just write a nagios plugin to do what you want
[12-Aug-2006 17:24:09] <giesen> it's probably pretty easy
[12-Aug-2006 17:24:13] <socialist> very easy
[12-Aug-2006 17:24:22] <DaiTengu> I bet there's already one out there that'll do it.
[12-Aug-2006 17:24:25] <socialist> all it has to do it output a tiny bit of formatted text
[12-Aug-2006 17:24:31] <socialist> probably so
[12-Aug-2006 17:24:56] <socialist> damnit
[12-Aug-2006 17:25:06] <DaiTengu> I've got 5 mysql servers to monitor thus far.
[12-Aug-2006 17:25:08] <socialist> I'm going to have to double-organize some things
[12-Aug-2006 17:25:23] <socialist> unless there is a way to apply RRDTemplates to systems or groups :\
[12-Aug-2006 17:25:42] * giesen starts writing more tickets
[12-Aug-2006 17:26:05] <DaiTengu> yay, disk usage has populated!
[12-Aug-2006 17:26:11] <socialist> seriously, if I want to split up the way things get monitored, I can only do it under /Devices
[12-Aug-2006 17:26:32] <socialist> which will inevitably double-up on the structure of systems or groups
[12-Aug-2006 17:27:11] <socialist> for me, anywya
[12-Aug-2006 17:28:03] <DaiTengu> yeah, I've got servers that have apache on them, servers with lighttp, and some of them have mysql and some don't.
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[12-Aug-2006 17:29:08] <giesen> socialist: I just added a ticket for basically what you want
[12-Aug-2006 17:29:16] <giesen> I suggested device metadata
[12-Aug-2006 17:29:19] <giesen> a la gmail
[12-Aug-2006 17:29:27] <giesen> that allows you to tag a device as more than one group
[12-Aug-2006 17:29:39] <socialist> groovy
[12-Aug-2006 17:29:46] <giesen> and the trees would be represented by queries on the metadata rather than a hard folder structure
[12-Aug-2006 17:30:17] <socialist> cross referencing makes me very happy
[12-Aug-2006 17:30:59] <socialist> "Site 1 -> services -> DNS -> server1" == "Servers -> HP -> Linux -> server1"
[12-Aug-2006 17:31:21] <giesen> actually it would shorten the hierarchy significantly
[12-Aug-2006 17:31:30] <giesen> because you have it tagged as both Device > Server HP
[12-Aug-2006 17:31:36] <giesen> and Device > Server > Linux
[12-Aug-2006 17:31:41] <socialist> yes
[12-Aug-2006 17:31:49] <socialist> good stuff
[12-Aug-2006 17:31:49] <giesen> without duplicating the Linux part for each OS
[12-Aug-2006 17:32:50] <giesen> and templates for both would apply
[12-Aug-2006 17:33:02] <socialist> yes exactly
[12-Aug-2006 17:33:15] <giesen> man
[12-Aug-2006 17:33:22] <giesen> I wish I could go back and edit my tickets
[12-Aug-2006 17:33:29] <giesen> I wanna add some stuff to that ticket now
[12-Aug-2006 17:33:38] <giesen> ticket #263 btw
[12-Aug-2006 17:33:41] <socialist> could get a bit hairy though, if you had conflicting templates
[12-Aug-2006 17:34:03] <giesen> the templates shouldnt conflict at all
[12-Aug-2006 17:34:15] <giesen> they'd be duplicated if anything
[12-Aug-2006 17:34:27] <giesen> and the template would always have a finite path
[12-Aug-2006 17:35:03] <socialist> if a device gets a template for the same thing (say disk) from 2 groups, but each has a different threshhold...
[12-Aug-2006 17:35:26] <giesen> oh I see what you mean
[12-Aug-2006 17:35:32] <giesen> you'd have twice as many alerts
[12-Aug-2006 17:35:39] <socialist> or inaccurate ones
[12-Aug-2006 17:35:55] <socialist> that's why a lot of apps separate monitoring and statistics
[12-Aug-2006 17:36:08] <giesen> well that's eric's problem
[12-Aug-2006 17:36:11] <giesen> we're just idea guys =)
[12-Aug-2006 17:36:25] <giesen> up to them to work out the logistics =)
[12-Aug-2006 17:36:26] <socialist> yeah, I'm not sure if it's wise to tie threshholds to statistics graphs
[12-Aug-2006 17:36:40] <socialist> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 17:39:50] <giesen> well they're not tied per se.
[12-Aug-2006 17:49:06] <socialist> hm, what about the disk threshholds? They're set in the RRDTemplate..
[12-Aug-2006 17:49:16] <socialist> I could easily be misunderstanding this
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[12-Aug-2006 17:55:05] <giesen> yeah, they're set in the same template
[12-Aug-2006 17:55:09] <giesen> so in that sense they're connected
[12-Aug-2006 17:55:24] <giesen> but the graphs dont directly depend on the alerts and vice versa
[12-Aug-2006 17:55:29] <socialist> that is true
[12-Aug-2006 17:55:46] * giesen submits more tickets
[12-Aug-2006 17:55:55] <giesen> haha eric is gonna hate me when Im done
[12-Aug-2006 17:55:57] <socialist> plus you can use plugins for monitoring, and probably not even use threshholds in the RRDTemplates, yeah?
[12-Aug-2006 18:00:26] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 18:00:44] <giesen> you definitely dont have to define any thresholds
[12-Aug-2006 18:00:51] <giesen> but you can still do performance graphing
[12-Aug-2006 18:01:05] <socialist> certainly
[12-Aug-2006 18:05:05] <giesen> I managed to break my graphs today
[12-Aug-2006 18:05:18] <socialist> yay
[12-Aug-2006 18:05:20] <giesen> when I changed my temp settings from fahrenheit to celcius
[12-Aug-2006 18:05:33] <giesen> well not broke so much as screwed them up
[12-Aug-2006 18:28:09] <giesen> oubiwann: you = duncan?
[12-Aug-2006 18:34:26] <DaiTengu> I suppose I should do more reading about rrd, eh
[12-Aug-2006 18:34:41] <socialist> it's helpful
[12-Aug-2006 18:34:53] <socialist> plus it's about one of the coolest inventions of all time
[12-Aug-2006 18:35:14] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 18:35:45] <giesen> DaiTengu: it's basically a fixed-size database
[12-Aug-2006 18:35:50] <giesen> that keeps historical data
[12-Aug-2006 18:35:56] <giesen> but older the data
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:00] <giesen> the less samples it keeps
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:04] <giesen> so for example
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:13] <giesen> let's say I have a year's worth of data
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:22] <giesen> for a the current day
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:29] <giesen> I might have 1000 samples
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:35] <giesen> in 24 hours
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:40] <giesen> for the current week
[12-Aug-2006 18:36:48] <giesen> I might have 1000 samples for the whole week
[12-Aug-2006 18:37:09] <giesen> for the current month, I might have 1000 samples for the whole month (excluding the current week, and current day)
[12-Aug-2006 18:37:38] <giesen> and for the current year, I might have 1000 samples for the whole year (with previously mentioned exclusions)
[12-Aug-2006 18:37:45] <giesen> that way you can still see trends in your data
[12-Aug-2006 18:38:04] <giesen> without having super huge databases that you dont need
[12-Aug-2006 18:38:11] <giesen> cause you dont tend to need the resolution out to a year.
[12-Aug-2006 18:39:35] <giesen> and it's called round robin
[12-Aug-2006 18:39:42] <giesen> because it replaces those old samples
[12-Aug-2006 18:39:45] <giesen> with new samples
[12-Aug-2006 18:39:51] <giesen> so your database always stays the same size
[12-Aug-2006 18:40:11] <giesen> it's incredibly useful for all kinds of historical data
[12-Aug-2006 18:40:40] <socialist> oetiker is a genius
[12-Aug-2006 18:47:00] <giesen> aye
[12-Aug-2006 18:47:05] <giesen> man, taking a look at zope
[12-Aug-2006 18:47:17] <giesen> I'm seeing how they get new functionality implemented so quickly
[12-Aug-2006 18:47:23] <giesen> zope does 3/4 of the work
[12-Aug-2006 18:47:27] <socialist> hehe yeah
[12-Aug-2006 18:47:45] <giesen> it's like VB for the web
[12-Aug-2006 18:49:13] <socialist> bite your tongue
[12-Aug-2006 18:49:35] <giesen> haha
[12-Aug-2006 19:01:12] <socialist> uggghh must have commandline toolset
[12-Aug-2006 19:03:14] <socialist> Is there some way to completely delete events?
[12-Aug-2006 19:10:37] <giesen> hehe been reading my emails have ya? =)
[12-Aug-2006 19:10:51] <socialist> hah actually no
[12-Aug-2006 19:18:58] <oubiwann> giesen: yup, I'm duncan ;-)
[12-Aug-2006 19:24:24] <socialist> ooh a real bug
[12-Aug-2006 19:24:31] <socialist> minor but real
[12-Aug-2006 19:25:49] <socialist> oh nm I'm running svn
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[12-Aug-2006 19:41:22] <bulrog> hello
[12-Aug-2006 19:41:30] <giesen> hello
[12-Aug-2006 19:41:43] <bulrog>
[12-Aug-2006 19:43:32] <bulrog> I'm having trouble installing on os x (panther) . check_time.c in nagios plugin fails. is this the right place to ask?
[12-Aug-2006 19:44:18] <giesen> check_time.c is uncompile source code
[12-Aug-2006 19:44:22] <giesen> it has to be compiled
[12-Aug-2006 19:44:31] <giesen> *uncompiled
[12-Aug-2006 19:44:52] <bulrog> is there a paste url ?
[12-Aug-2006 19:45:06] <giesen> try running this
[12-Aug-2006 19:45:17] <giesen> gcc -o check_time check_time.c
[12-Aug-2006 19:45:48] <bulrog> same compile errors
[12-Aug-2006 19:45:57] <bulrog> check_time.c:36: error: parse error before "server_time"
[12-Aug-2006 19:45:57] <bulrog> check_time.c:36: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `server_time'
[12-Aug-2006 19:45:57] <bulrog> check_time.c:36: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `raw_server_time'
[12-Aug-2006 19:46:00] <bulrog> check_time.c:36: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
[12-Aug-2006 19:46:02] <bulrog> make[3]: *** [check_time.o] Error 1
[12-Aug-2006 19:46:05] <bulrog> make[2]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
[12-Aug-2006 19:46:07] <bulrog> make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
[12-Aug-2006 19:46:10] <bulrog> MRLO:~/build/zenoss-0.22.1 amal$
[12-Aug-2006 19:48:40] <bulrog> I got this from install.sh script
[12-Aug-2006 19:48:53] <bulrog> http://cl1p.net/zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 19:48:53] <adytum-bot> Title: cl1p.net (at cl1p.net)
[12-Aug-2006 19:57:12] <giesen> I'd remove it from the makefile for the time being
[12-Aug-2006 19:57:22] <giesen> it's probably a compatibility issue with os X
[12-Aug-2006 19:57:36] <giesen> or even just remove the .c file
[12-Aug-2006 19:57:40] <giesen> and see if that solve it
[12-Aug-2006 20:02:40] <bulrog> ok. i'll try that
[12-Aug-2006 20:02:52] <bulrog> thank you.
[12-Aug-2006 20:07:41] <bulrog> I'm really hoping zenoss is the one app we can start using. unicenter is killling us
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[12-Aug-2006 20:12:56] <giesen> bulrog: hehe pretty much anything CA makes is crap
[12-Aug-2006 20:13:07] <giesen> ever had to deal with ArcServ?
[12-Aug-2006 20:13:14] * giesen submits another ticket
[12-Aug-2006 20:13:19] <giesen> haha Im such a sadist
[12-Aug-2006 20:13:31] <bulrog> tell me about it. not only is their product shite, but their accounting practices is downright extortion
[12-Aug-2006 20:13:50] <giesen> I spent like 4 months trying to get ArcServ working with a tape library
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:03] <giesen> finally convinced the customer to move to backup exec
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:06] <bulrog> one good thing is I'll have significant input on the migration. Right now, i've got them thinking python
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:07] <giesen> had it working inside a couple hours
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:16] * bulrog loves python
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:29] <bulrog> tape. omg
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:31] <giesen> Im warming up to it
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:42] <giesen> although I wish they would write the remote agents in java
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:48] <giesen> pretty much any box has java on it
[12-Aug-2006 20:14:57] <giesen> whereas python is a lot further off
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:14] <giesen> specifically zenwin
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:18] <bulrog> ah
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:20] <bulrog> ok
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:29] <giesen> on the upside
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:30] * bulrog just found out about zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:36] <giesen> I only have to install zenwin on one windows machine
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:36] <bulrog> so, i'm getting used to the terms
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:39] <giesen> so it's not too bad
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:46] <giesen> bulrog: Ive been using it about 2 weeks
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:49] <giesen> and loving it.
[12-Aug-2006 20:15:53] <bulrog> excellent
[12-Aug-2006 20:16:06] <giesen> playing around with the nagios plugin functionality
[12-Aug-2006 20:16:08] <bulrog> the channel is pretty small
[12-Aug-2006 20:16:08] <giesen> which they just added
[12-Aug-2006 20:16:11] <giesen> it's great
[12-Aug-2006 20:16:14] <bulrog> cool.
[12-Aug-2006 20:16:24] <giesen> and I've been submitting LOTS of feature requests =)
[12-Aug-2006 20:16:42] <bulrog> we're looking to "manage" about 2000+ win servers
[12-Aug-2006 20:17:05] <giesen> just make sure you install snmp-informant on them
[12-Aug-2006 20:17:06] <bulrog> and hoping to triple that in the next 18 - 24 months
[12-Aug-2006 20:17:10] <giesen> and you'll like what you see
[12-Aug-2006 20:17:39] <bulrog> yea, i was originally looking at nagios. and liked the snmp plugins
[12-Aug-2006 20:18:22] <bulrog> god. i really want to turn this place into a python shop
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[12-Aug-2006 20:20:24] <giesen> if you like snmp
[12-Aug-2006 20:20:29] <giesen> you'll really like zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 20:20:32] <giesen> it's really based around it
[12-Aug-2006 20:20:50] <giesen> it has the most comprehensive snmp support I've seen in an oss nms project
[12-Aug-2006 20:21:01] <giesen> whereas nagios doesnt understand snmp
[12-Aug-2006 20:21:12] <giesen> and opennms doesnt really either
[12-Aug-2006 20:24:18] <bulrog> interesting
[12-Aug-2006 20:24:22] <bulrog> I got it!
[12-Aug-2006 20:24:43] <bulrog> there was a darwinport patch for that file. applied ... chugging along
[12-Aug-2006 20:24:53] * bulrog adds it to his installation memoirs
[12-Aug-2006 20:26:08] <giesen> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 20:26:11] <bulrog> yea, i'm glad i came on.
[12-Aug-2006 20:26:19] <giesen> yeah I had fun installing zenoss the first time
[12-Aug-2006 20:26:23] <giesen> I almost gave up on it
[12-Aug-2006 20:26:36] <giesen> it took like 45 minutes to populate the mib database
[12-Aug-2006 20:26:38] <bulrog> i would have REALLY hated getting mugged by snmp
[12-Aug-2006 20:26:49] <giesen> and I kept breaking out of the install
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:04] <giesen> mugged?
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:14] <bulrog> trying to get it to work
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:24] <bulrog> under stressful conditions
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:26] <giesen> oh
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:27] <giesen> haha
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:39] <giesen> once you get to know your way around zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:42] <giesen> it's pretty slick
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:58] <giesen> although there's some feature requests I put in that would make it even more so
[12-Aug-2006 20:27:59] <giesen> =)
[12-Aug-2006 20:29:13] <bulrog> i'm looking forward to it. I'm really glad they built on top of zope. i want to see how they leverage zeo .
[12-Aug-2006 20:29:30] <bulrog> crap.
[12-Aug-2006 20:29:35] <giesen> I dont know much about zope
[12-Aug-2006 20:29:39] <giesen> but from what Ive seen of it
[12-Aug-2006 20:29:46] <giesen> it looks like it's really easy to develop for
[12-Aug-2006 20:29:47] <bulrog> zope rocks
[12-Aug-2006 20:29:54] <bulrog> check out plone, which is built on it
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:15] <bulrog> http://plone.org
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:15] <giesen> so they implement features really quickly
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:15] <giesen> which is what makes me happy
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:15] <giesen> although I'm kinda disappointed they have 3 different databases
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:23] <giesen> I'd be happier if everything was on one
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:31] <bulrog> what do you mean?
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:41] <giesen> well there's the mysql events database
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:47] <giesen> the native zope object database
[12-Aug-2006 20:30:51] <giesen> and the rrd database
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:04] <bulrog> ah. well, i'm happy with that
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:08] <giesen> I'd be happier if everything is in mysql
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:14] <giesen> cause it's easier to backup one data source
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:15] <bulrog> zope needs to have somethings in its zodb
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:25] <giesen> yeah I see that
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:29] <bulrog> there's some decent scripts for zodb backup
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:42] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:53] <giesen> I'd just like it consolidated for ease of management
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:56] <bulrog> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 20:31:58] <giesen> but it's not that big a deal
[12-Aug-2006 20:32:33] <bulrog> have u experimented with splunk?
[12-Aug-2006 20:33:04] <giesen> nope
[12-Aug-2006 20:34:16] <giesen> I'm not really a developer
[12-Aug-2006 20:34:21] <bulrog> its on my list of todo
[12-Aug-2006 20:34:23] <giesen> although I'm trying to dabble in a little bit of j2me
[12-Aug-2006 20:34:53] <bulrog> take a look at jython if you feel the need for reaching out to java
_[12-Aug-2006 20:35:58] <bulrog> i haven't touched java since `99
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:16] <bulrog> hehe, when it was write once run nowhere
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:17] <bulrog>
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:18] <bulrog> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:25] <giesen> now it's actually useful
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:31] <giesen> and gaining popularity
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:34] <bulrog> yea. thats what i hear
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:38] <giesen> I especially like the idea of it on mobile platforms
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:45] <bulrog> it has uses
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:53] <giesen> the cool thing is
[12-Aug-2006 20:36:57] <giesen> the Nokia S60
[12-Aug-2006 20:37:08] <giesen> runs C++ programs, Java, and has Python on it
[12-Aug-2006 20:37:16] <bulrog> cool
[12-Aug-2006 20:37:21] <giesen> sounds like the perfect compliment for zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 20:37:42] <giesen> I'm looking at getting a Nokia E61
[12-Aug-2006 20:40:41] <bulrog> hrm
[12-Aug-2006 20:41:48] <giesen> I assume CPython is regular Python?
[12-Aug-2006 20:42:40] <bulrog> thata does look sexy
[12-Aug-2006 20:42:48] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:02] <giesen> I always kinda sneered at the Symbian platform
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:07] <giesen> but's caught my attention now
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:12] <giesen> I was a blackberry man before
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:19] <giesen> well, I still am for the time being
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:24] <giesen> and it's all about the java on it
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:29] <bulrog> CPython is the default impl of python
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:31] <giesen> and they have a pretty decent API
[12-Aug-2006 20:43:41] <giesen> but Symbian is just sexy
[12-Aug-2006 20:44:42] <bulrog> cool.
[12-Aug-2006 20:44:47] <giesen> I'm assuming python is object oriented
[12-Aug-2006 20:44:51] <giesen> I've never touched it before
[12-Aug-2006 20:44:55] * bulrog dreams of runing linux on a stick
[12-Aug-2006 20:45:10] <giesen> where's the carrot?
[12-Aug-2006 20:45:22] <bulrog> heh
[12-Aug-2006 20:45:57] <bulrog> oooh, made it to libsmi now
[12-Aug-2006 20:46:17] <giesen> hehe wait till you get to the .xml files
[12-Aug-2006 20:46:25] <giesen> takes about 45 mins on my box
[12-Aug-2006 20:46:27] <bulrog> awesome
[12-Aug-2006 20:46:28] <giesen> yours is probably faster
[12-Aug-2006 20:46:34] <giesen> but still
[12-Aug-2006 20:46:44] <bulrog> have you checked out TAL yet?
[12-Aug-2006 20:47:02] <bulrog> you'll love the templating ability it gives u
[12-Aug-2006 20:48:26] <giesen> okay Im still trying to figure out what splunk is
[12-Aug-2006 20:48:30] <giesen> some sort of KB/wiki?
[12-Aug-2006 20:49:11] <giesen> oh
[12-Aug-2006 20:49:12] <giesen> nm
[12-Aug-2006 20:51:38] <bulrog> btw, you've 3 weeks on zenoss?
[12-Aug-2006 20:52:02] <bulrog> how many machines are you monitoring? ... and i assume you give it two thumbs up?
[12-Aug-2006 20:52:53] <giesen> I've got about 50 devices
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:01] <giesen> and I'd give it 1.5 thumbs up
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:13] <giesen> it's the best open source nms Ive found so far
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:16] <giesen> at least for my needs
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:22] <giesen> and it has lots of excellent functionality
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:29] <giesen> but there's also some stuff Id like to see added
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:36] <giesen> the great part is though
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:41] <giesen> they've got a very solid base
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:47] <giesen> so it's got tons of potential
[12-Aug-2006 20:53:58] <giesen> it's lightyears ahead of nagios
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:05] <giesen> in terms of being able to add more functionality
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:18] <giesen> just by virture of the way it's architected
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:35] <giesen> and the project isnt that old
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:36] <bulrog> cool.
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:42] <giesen> whereas nagios is supposed to mature
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:50] <giesen> and already zenoss does everything nagios does and more
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:53] <giesen> as far as I can tell
[12-Aug-2006 20:54:57] <giesen> also
[12-Aug-2006 20:55:03] <giesen> they just got $4.8M worth of funding
[12-Aug-2006 20:55:04] <bulrog> yea. that is a concern. though i really like the architecture and platform choices
[12-Aug-2006 20:55:11] <giesen> so project should stick around
[12-Aug-2006 20:55:14] <giesen> which was one of my first worries
[12-Aug-2006 20:55:39] <bulrog> i didn't know about the funding. do u have a link?
[12-Aug-2006 20:55:49] <giesen> yeah, sec
[12-Aug-2006 20:55:53] <bulrog> is it related to the consortium they recently formed?
[12-Aug-2006 20:57:34] <giesen> http://news.com.com/2110-7344_3-6104706.html?part=rss&tag=6104706&subj=news
[12-Aug-2006 20:57:34] <adytum-bot> Title: Open-source firm Zenoss scores new funding | CNET News.com (at news.com.com)
[12-Aug-2006 20:57:49] <bulrog> excellent. i need fuel to make my case
[12-Aug-2006 20:58:13] <giesen> I dont think the funding was directly related to the consortium, no
[12-Aug-2006 20:58:14] <bulrog> zope is coming in its own. more projects will hop on it
[12-Aug-2006 20:58:35] <bulrog> well, its a confidence builder
[12-Aug-2006 20:58:40] <bulrog> thanks for that
[12-Aug-2006 20:58:45] <giesen> np
[12-Aug-2006 20:58:50] <giesen> luckily in my job
[12-Aug-2006 20:58:57] <giesen> I get more leverage in making the descisions
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:07] <giesen> and my bosses are supportive of OSS solutions
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:15] <giesen> mostly cause they're cheap bastards =)
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:34] <bulrog> aren't they all?
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:43] <bulrog> except when they fly
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:43] <giesen> depends
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:51] <bulrog> then its first class all the way
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:52] <giesen> some will spend the money on things like hardware
[12-Aug-2006 20:59:55] <giesen> and software
[12-Aug-2006 21:00:09] <giesen> but I get a lot of discretion when it comes to picking solutions
[12-Aug-2006 21:00:13] <giesen> for better or worse
[12-Aug-2006 21:00:21] <giesen> that's why Im hoping zenoss pays off
[12-Aug-2006 21:00:29] <giesen> otherwise I'm gonna get hanged for it =)
[12-Aug-2006 21:00:30] <bulrog> the best line i've heard to dodge the question is ... we invest in people
[12-Aug-2006 21:00:49] <bulrog> yea, i'm looking for some use cases
[12-Aug-2006 21:01:01] <giesen> hmm NetDirector looks pretty cool
[12-Aug-2006 21:01:27] <bulrog> plone has a nice tutorials and worksshops on spreading their propaganda
[12-Aug-2006 21:01:30] <giesen> we sorta have a half and half network
[12-Aug-2006 21:01:39] <giesen> half OSS/half windows
[12-Aug-2006 21:01:51] <bulrog> oss?
[12-Aug-2006 21:01:54] <giesen> I gotta start working towards solutions that integrate the two
[12-Aug-2006 21:01:55] <bulrog> *nix ?
[12-Aug-2006 21:02:01] <giesen> Open Source Software
[12-Aug-2006 21:02:03] <bulrog> ah
[12-Aug-2006 21:02:04] <giesen> but yeah, nix
[12-Aug-2006 21:02:12] <bulrog> cool
[12-Aug-2006 21:02:12] <giesen> a bunch of freebsd, a bunch of gentoo
[12-Aug-2006 21:02:26] <bulrog> yea. t hats why the snmp should be sweet
[12-Aug-2006 21:03:30] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 21:03:39] <bulrog> thats our environment as well
[12-Aug-2006 21:03:44] <giesen> Ideally Id like to be able to eventually integrate zenoss with Microsoft CRM
[12-Aug-2006 21:03:49] <giesen> though that's probably a longshot
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:01] <bulrog> redhat, wimp32, aix and bsds
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:05] <giesen> I've got definite plans to integrate it with our phone system though
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:17] <bulrog> integrate as in, send alerts?
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:25] <giesen> yeah
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:34] <giesen> I put in a ticket to do text-to-speech
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:41] <giesen> so zenoss would call you
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:52] <bulrog> hehe.
[12-Aug-2006 21:04:52] <giesen> and you can acknowledge/escalate alerts over the phone
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:00] <giesen> also
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:05] <bulrog> leverage a mac
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:05] <giesen> to be able to call into the phone system
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:08] <bulrog> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:13] <giesen> and check system status over the phone
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:28] <giesen> it would be dead easy if zenoss had some CLI management tools
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:42] <bulrog> cli?
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:50] <giesen> command line intertface
[12-Aug-2006 21:05:53] <giesen> ie not web-based
[12-Aug-2006 21:06:03] <bulrog> doesn't it have xmlrpc?
[12-Aug-2006 21:06:11] <giesen> it does
[12-Aug-2006 21:06:16] <giesen> I dont know enough about it
[12-Aug-2006 21:06:20] <giesen> but I'm talking simple tools
[12-Aug-2006 21:06:24] <giesen> to get status reports
[12-Aug-2006 21:06:35] <giesen> think of the type of output a nagios plugin puts out
[12-Aug-2006 21:06:48] <bulrog> yea, python has an xmlrpc lib that will allow you to sip those out
[12-Aug-2006 21:07:00] <bulrog> and you can use pyxml or tal to format the results
[12-Aug-2006 21:08:11] <bulrog> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XML-RPC-HOWTO/xmlrpc-howto-python.html
[12-Aug-2006 21:16:55] <giesen> oubiwann: you here?
[12-Aug-2006 21:17:05] <oubiwann> yup
[12-Aug-2006 21:18:11] <oubiwann> giesen: (looking up at the comments) you know about the dmd, right? You mean a different CLI than that?
[12-Aug-2006 21:19:41] <oubiwann> brb
[12-Aug-2006 21:21:32] <giesen> the dmd?
[12-Aug-2006 21:21:41] <giesen> do you mean the zope managment interface?
[12-Aug-2006 21:21:46] <giesen> the web based one?
[12-Aug-2006 21:21:50] <giesen> or is there a CLI based one
[12-Aug-2006 21:22:01] <giesen> ideally, what'd I like is a bunch of simple command line tools
[12-Aug-2006 21:22:06] <giesen> for checking status on devices
[12-Aug-2006 21:22:14] <giesen> it may not be that big a deal
[12-Aug-2006 21:22:22] <giesen> I'm taking a look at some XML-RPC stuff
[12-Aug-2006 21:22:25] <giesen> and that may do it
[12-Aug-2006 21:23:27] <giesen> can I do things like send events from the zenoss machine via xml rpc
[12-Aug-2006 21:23:33] <giesen> and then acknowledge them back
[12-Aug-2006 21:24:19] <giesen> cause if I can
[12-Aug-2006 21:24:23] <giesen> I can get that into asterisk
[12-Aug-2006 21:24:32] <giesen> and implement the whole call system on asterisk
[12-Aug-2006 21:25:54] <oubiwann> back
[12-Aug-2006 21:26:01] <oubiwann> well, there's an interactive tool, zendmd
[12-Aug-2006 21:26:15] <oubiwann> puts you into a CLI, python/zope-based
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:01] <oubiwann> because of python and ZEO, you can write anything you want to get data out of Zenoss
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:16] <giesen> I'm in it now
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:20] <bulrog> damn, unable to create initial zenoss object database
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:23] <giesen> and I'm thinking of something a little more brainless to use
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:35] <oubiwann> right, that's what I was guess by your comments
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:37] <giesen> bulrog: I had to import mibs.xml manually on mine
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:45] <giesen> and found a bug
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:51] <giesen> that if your /tmp partition is less than 900 MB
[12-Aug-2006 21:27:53] <giesen> it wont do it.
[12-Aug-2006 21:28:02] <bulrog> hehe
[12-Aug-2006 21:28:04] <giesen> so you have two choices
[12-Aug-2006 21:28:05] <bulrog> hrm
[12-Aug-2006 21:28:07] <giesen> delete mibs.xml
[12-Aug-2006 21:28:11] <giesen> or import it manually
[12-Aug-2006 21:28:20] <giesen> sec, I'll see if I can dig up the post on it
[12-Aug-2006 21:29:14] <giesen> http://www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg00820.html//www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg00820.html
[12-Aug-2006 21:29:14] <adytum-bot> Title: Re: [zenoss-users] Install hangs at "ZentinelPortal loaded at zport" (at www.mail-archive.com)
[12-Aug-2006 21:30:51] <giesen> should probably submit a formal bug report
[12-Aug-2006 21:31:03] <bulrog> ouch
[12-Aug-2006 21:31:36] <bulrog> hrm
[12-Aug-2006 21:33:58] <giesen> I think I stumbled on a possible solution. Hit CTRL-C, and then run
[12-Aug-2006 21:33:58] <giesen> the installer again. Tell it you want to upgrade, and it should
[12-Aug-2006 21:33:58] <giesen> succeed. Now run zenss ( $ZENHOME/bin/zenoss start) and then go to
[12-Aug-2006 21:33:58] <giesen> $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/data and zenload -i <file.xml> where
[12-Aug-2006 21:33:59] <giesen> file.xml is each .xml file in that directory. That seems to have
[12-Aug-2006 21:34:01] <giesen> solved the issue for me.
[12-Aug-2006 21:34:20] <giesen> that's the mail I sent to the list
[12-Aug-2006 21:34:36] <giesen> I dont know if it's so much a bug per se
[12-Aug-2006 21:34:42] <giesen> as just a general performance issue
[12-Aug-2006 21:34:53] <giesen> but maybe something that needs to be better documented
[12-Aug-2006 21:46:04] <bulrog> thanks giesen, i'll let u know how it works out
[12-Aug-2006 21:46:15] <giesen> np
[12-Aug-2006 21:51:26] <giesen> man
[12-Aug-2006 21:51:37] <giesen> there's an a python xmlrpc interface for asterisk
[12-Aug-2006 22:14:10] <bulrog> yea, the pylibs are sick
[13-Aug-2006 08:24:33] <bulrog> is anyone running on a mac os x (panther?)
[13-Aug-2006 08:27:10] <bulrog> ERROR:Zope:Couldn't install ZenRRD
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[13-Aug-2006 17:13:28] <bulrog> anyone there>
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[13-Aug-2006 23:20:33] <bulrog> Anyone running this on OS X Panther?
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[14-Aug-2006 12:31:00] <rputzler> Why is it that the admin user can see events in the dashboard view, but users I create have an empty dashboard?
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[14-Aug-2006 15:22:58] <Shaz> Any recommendations for how often I should update Zenoss?
[14-Aug-2006 15:40:22] <bulrog> hehe
[14-Aug-2006 15:52:30] <Shaz> Laughter is the only response? Should I be afraid?
[14-Aug-2006 15:54:50] <creiht> Shaz: Are you talking about from release to release or from source?
[14-Aug-2006 15:55:22] <creiht> btw... I have updated several releases since my initial install and haven't run into any major problems
[14-Aug-2006 15:55:57] <bulrog> sorry shaz: that went to the wrong window
[14-Aug-2006 16:17:09] <zaf> Shaz, read the release notes for each version that comes out. if you find that you have a bug that's fixed, or can take advantage of a feature that's introduced, then upgrade
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[14-Aug-2006 16:55:56] <rputzler> Hmm. Modeling using ssh doesn't seem to work unless you have ssh running on the default port 22.
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[14-Aug-2006 16:58:54] <Shaz> Thank you all. I'll just keep an eye on the releases and go from there.
[14-Aug-2006 17:12:52] <Shaz> Have any of you tried adding an auto-refresh to your graph pages?
[14-Aug-2006 17:20:05] <creiht> Shaz: I would make a request on the mailing list for the zenoss guys to add that (There is a Start Refresh button on several other pages -- the Events tab for example)
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[14-Aug-2006 17:22:17] <rputzler> I just submitted a ticket and patch (#266) for the ssh problem.
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[14-Aug-2006 20:01:07] <bulrog> anyone out there?
[14-Aug-2006 20:01:54] <Shaz> No one here but us chickens.
[14-Aug-2006 20:03:44] <bulrog> peck peck peck
[14-Aug-2006 20:04:01] <bulrog> so, how long have you been using zenoss?
[14-Aug-2006 20:05:01] <bulrog> i've been playing with it for two days. finally able to monitor some of my bsd boxes, and now i'm looking to add some windows machines.
[14-Aug-2006 20:05:39] <bulrog> not on an ideal installation , mac os x panther
[14-Aug-2006 20:06:07] * bulrog can't pull away from the mac
[14-Aug-2006 20:07:01] <Shaz> I've only been using Zenoss for a week. I'm happy with it. Just adding servers/routers/switches/what-have-you as I have time to.
[14-Aug-2006 20:07:53] <Shaz> I haven't tried to get zenwin running yet. One of our developers has volunteered to be a test subject.
[14-Aug-2006 20:08:55] <bulrog> yea, i just started. i installed the ms snmp and snmptrap. but damn windows xp sp2 firewall is gumming up the works
[14-Aug-2006 20:10:01] <Shaz> I prefer perimiter firewalling to doing it at the host (not that the two are exclusive). With this in mind, I just turn Windows Firewall off.
[14-Aug-2006 20:10:21] <Shaz> Errr..."perimeter".
[14-Aug-2006 20:10:53] <Shaz> Though you could likely setup a rule allowing SNMP through. Shouldn't be to tough.
[14-Aug-2006 20:12:11] <bulrog> yea
[14-Aug-2006 20:13:21] <Shaz> And now I've got to run. I'm sure I'll see you around: we'll have to swap zenwin stories sometime.
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[15-Aug-2006 13:22:23] <Shaz> Am I connected or not?
[15-Aug-2006 13:22:26] <Shaz> Guess I am.
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[15-Aug-2006 14:02:32] <socialist> so if I have a PerfConf for disk usage in /Devices/Server, and another for disk usage further down the tree in /Devices/Server/Production, does the further down the tree take precedence?
[15-Aug-2006 14:04:26] <socialist> oh I think I see..
[15-Aug-2006 14:07:52] <socialist> here is what is a little odd though. I changed the threshhold for disk usage in /Devices/Server to be 99% instead of 90%
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[15-Aug-2006 14:08:36] <korozion> yay, my shirt came!
[15-Aug-2006 14:09:05] <socialist> I can look at a server at /Devices/Server/Engineering/server.domain.com, and the PerfConf under a disk shows that it is using the 99% threshhold
[15-Aug-2006 14:09:20] <socialist> but I'm still getting events for over 90%
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[15-Aug-2006 15:17:47] <bulrog> What does the channel title mean?
[15-Aug-2006 15:19:18] <edahl> our CEO just had a baby
[15-Aug-2006 15:19:31] <edahl> bill's wife that is
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[15-Aug-2006 15:26:03] <bulrog> ahhh. gotcha
[15-Aug-2006 15:26:20] * bulrog wonders what the oid is for those baby monitors
[15-Aug-2006 15:37:45] <edahl> waaa more milk
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[15-Aug-2006 16:01:08] <korozion> are there upgrade instructions, or should I just run svn again, then install
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[15-Aug-2006 16:20:56] <kiddle> korozion: backing up might be a good idea
[15-Aug-2006 16:23:25] <korozion> too late
[15-Aug-2006 16:23:30] <korozion> it
[15-Aug-2006 16:23:35] <korozion> it's really just a test system anyway
[15-Aug-2006 16:30:04] <kiddle> ah
[15-Aug-2006 16:30:14] <kiddle> i'm no expert, just hobbling along myself
[15-Aug-2006 16:30:37] <kiddle> more documents would certainly help
[15-Aug-2006 16:31:05] <kiddle> anyone tried the corporate support?
[15-Aug-2006 16:34:33] <edahl> docs are a little thin right now but support is great (in my not so subjective opinion)
[15-Aug-2006 16:34:35] <edahl>
[15-Aug-2006 16:34:46] <edahl> objective that is
[15-Aug-2006 16:42:23] <kiddle> I'm evaluating for a company that wants to monitor 2000+ units of mostly windows OS. I like that its built on zope.
[15-Aug-2006 16:43:20] * kiddle kicks a windows machine while no employer is looking
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[15-Aug-2006 17:16:19] <giesen> show that windows machine who's boss =)
[15-Aug-2006 17:17:00] <giesen> edahl: any idea when the next release will be
[15-Aug-2006 17:17:06] <giesen> whether it's 0.22.2 or 0.23
[15-Aug-2006 17:17:22] <kiddle> hey giesen
[15-Aug-2006 17:18:47] * giesen goes back to writing more enhancement tickets to annoy edahl =)
[15-Aug-2006 17:19:06] <edahl> its been rough coming back from a 2 day vacation!
[15-Aug-2006 17:19:09] <edahl>
[15-Aug-2006 17:19:33] <edahl> I think I cut 0.22.2 ... can't remember!
[15-Aug-2006 17:20:00] <edahl> I guess not
[15-Aug-2006 17:20:13] <edahl> soon I think like this week
[15-Aug-2006 17:21:45] <kiddle> edahl: do you use an ide?
[15-Aug-2006 17:21:56] <edahl> vim
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[15-Aug-2006 17:22:11] <kiddle> old school
[15-Aug-2006 17:22:32] <kiddle> seriously, do you use anythibng beside cmdline for zope debugging?
[15-Aug-2006 17:22:48] <edahl> yes the pdb in python
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:01] * edahl set break with
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:12] <kiddle> wing gives free licenses to open source developers
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:24] <edahl> import pdb; pdb.set_trace()
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:40] <giesen> edahl: hehe I just had surgery
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:44] <giesen> and I was gone for 5 days
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:48] <giesen> all hell broke loose
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:51] <giesen> came back to work today
[15-Aug-2006 17:23:55] <giesen> still picking up the pieces
[15-Aug-2006 17:24:06] <kiddle> giesen, were we chatting pre or post surgery?
[15-Aug-2006 17:24:26] <giesen> probably post
[15-Aug-2006 17:24:33] <giesen> when was it again
[15-Aug-2006 17:24:35] <giesen> I cant remember
[15-Aug-2006 17:24:52] <giesen> had surgery last wednesday
[15-Aug-2006 17:25:53] <kiddle> might have been post - you were pretty funny
[15-Aug-2006 17:26:06] <giesen> yeah it was probalby the drugs
[15-Aug-2006 17:26:40] <giesen> but look how many feature request tickets I submitted!
[15-Aug-2006 17:27:27] <kiddle> you submitted a 'test and not record dry-run for sanity" one, right?
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[15-Aug-2006 17:29:41] <giesen> yeah
[15-Aug-2006 17:30:20] <giesen> I just hate software that I dont know what's going on with it
[15-Aug-2006 17:30:36] <giesen> that's one thing that kinda rubs me the wrong with zenoss
[15-Aug-2006 17:30:44] <giesen> dont get me wrong, I love teh software
[15-Aug-2006 17:30:56] <giesen> but there's all these magical processes that do all these magical things
[15-Aug-2006 17:31:04] <kiddle> yea, i'm trying the cmdline tools to see exactly whats going on
[15-Aug-2006 17:31:06] <giesen> and there's no way to tell if something is just working
[15-Aug-2006 17:31:27] <giesen> and with an nms package, I want to be sure it's getting the correct values
[15-Aug-2006 17:31:32] <giesen> and that my alerts at working
[15-Aug-2006 17:31:34] <kiddle> and right now, zenperfsnmp is blowing up on me
[15-Aug-2006 17:32:01] <kiddle> I agree
[15-Aug-2006 17:32:38] <kiddle> some testing tools would be a great add down the road as well
[15-Aug-2006 17:32:44] <kiddle> a python virtual device
[15-Aug-2006 17:33:19] <kiddle> blah blah... back to this zenperfsnmp prb
[15-Aug-2006 17:33:27] <giesen> hehe
[15-Aug-2006 17:33:33] <giesen> I find a good smack now and then
[15-Aug-2006 17:33:42] <giesen> keeps zenperfsnmp in line
[15-Aug-2006 17:33:55] * kiddle tries the pimp hand
[15-Aug-2006 17:45:04] * kiddle 's zenperfsnmp problem was a case of RTFM-itis
[15-Aug-2006 17:45:15] <kiddle> doh
[15-Aug-2006 17:56:12] <kiddle> I have devices that change their IP from time to time. How do you suggest managing that?
[15-Aug-2006 17:56:42] <edahl> ping will show down
[15-Aug-2006 17:56:52] <kiddle> yea
[15-Aug-2006 17:57:00] <edahl> go to the device manage tab and ...
[15-Aug-2006 17:57:16] <kiddle> ouch
[15-Aug-2006 17:57:27] <edahl> reset ip
[15-Aug-2006 17:57:27] <kiddle> i have 12 devices that just hopped
[15-Aug-2006 17:57:38] <edahl> if DNS is correct
[15-Aug-2006 18:00:36] <landonf> You monitor devices whose IPs and DNS records often change?
[15-Aug-2006 18:01:04] <kiddle> yea, switching between wireless and cable
[15-Aug-2006 18:01:17] <kiddle> not often , but possible
[15-Aug-2006 18:01:32] <landonf> You don't have a back-end network that remains consistent?
[15-Aug-2006 18:03:23] <kiddle> for the most part its consistent. but i do have some key deivces that switch over from wireless to wired
[15-Aug-2006 18:04:35] <landonf> Do they sometimes switch over to shortwave too?
[15-Aug-2006 18:05:25] <kiddle>
[15-Aug-2006 18:06:14] <landonf> As for suggestions as to how to manage that: Keep your dns records pointing at the right IP address. All bets are off when you can't rely on anything remaining consistent.
[15-Aug-2006 18:07:38] <kiddle> ty
[15-Aug-2006 18:08:12] <kiddle> IPs may change, but DNS lookup is always valid
[15-Aug-2006 18:08:27] <kiddle> except when its not
[15-Aug-2006 18:12:01] <kiddle> landonf, edahl: thanks. that solves this issue very nicely
[15-Aug-2006 18:34:50] <giesen> ouch
[15-Aug-2006 18:35:14] <giesen> you should see the nightmare of a problem I have to deal with
[15-Aug-2006 18:35:25] <giesen> where two devices trade an IP back and forth
[15-Aug-2006 18:47:19] <giesen> I've got it mostly sorted out
[15-Aug-2006 18:47:22] <giesen> thanks to nagios plugs
[15-Aug-2006 18:47:25] <giesen> plugins
[15-Aug-2006 18:47:32] <giesen> where I can specify the IP manually
[15-Aug-2006 18:47:37] <giesen> but it's a hack more than anything
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[15-Aug-2006 19:05:08] <kiddle> giesen, do those devices have their own names? and can u rely on dns?
[15-Aug-2006 19:05:12] <kiddle> just curious
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[15-Aug-2006 20:00:15] <giesen> kiddle: the problem I had
[15-Aug-2006 20:00:27] <giesen> is that I have 3 IPs
[15-Aug-2006 20:00:29] <giesen> and 2 devices
[15-Aug-2006 20:00:36] <giesen> and depending on which device is the master
[15-Aug-2006 20:00:40] <giesen> it has the third IP
[15-Aug-2006 20:00:51] <giesen> so it was difficult to make a third virtual device
[15-Aug-2006 20:00:58] <giesen> because zenoss kept detecting its IP
[15-Aug-2006 20:01:02] <giesen> on one of the other devices
[15-Aug-2006 20:01:49] <kiddle> (i stepped away and j ust returned for that)
[15-Aug-2006 20:02:42] <giesen> mine's not a common usage scenario
[15-Aug-2006 20:02:50] <giesen> unfortunately it's one I have ot deal with
[15-Aug-2006 20:02:57] <kiddle> that is an interesting problem, can u elaborate?
[15-Aug-2006 20:03:03] <giesen> okay
[15-Aug-2006 20:03:14] <giesen> so I have two servers setup in a hot failover setup
[15-Aug-2006 20:03:29] <giesen> so they each have their own IP that's dedicated to them
[15-Aug-2006 20:03:40] <giesen> and depending on which one it the primary (providing the actual service)
[15-Aug-2006 20:03:50] <giesen> it has the third IP
[15-Aug-2006 20:03:55] <giesen> if that device fails
[15-Aug-2006 20:04:04] <giesen> then the other server becomes the primary
[15-Aug-2006 20:04:06] <giesen> and gets the IP
[15-Aug-2006 20:04:30] <kiddle> got it
[15-Aug-2006 20:04:35] <kiddle> it is an interesting problem
[15-Aug-2006 20:04:37] <giesen> so what we ended up doing was
[15-Aug-2006 20:04:54] <giesen> I setup an entry in the hosts file on the zenoss box
[15-Aug-2006 20:04:57] <giesen> for all three IPs
[15-Aug-2006 20:05:03] <giesen> and referenced the servers by name
[15-Aug-2006 20:05:30] <giesen> so let's say we have server1, server2, and server (the virtual server)
[15-Aug-2006 20:05:43] <giesen> so we added all three device
[15-Aug-2006 20:05:50] <giesen> and even though server1 had all the IPs
[15-Aug-2006 20:06:05] <giesen> I at least got an entry in for the virtual server
[15-Aug-2006 20:06:14] <giesen> and I can monitor the services running on it using nagios plugins
[15-Aug-2006 20:06:18] <giesen> with the IP hardcoded
[15-Aug-2006 20:07:32] <giesen> so the virtual server tells me
[15-Aug-2006 20:07:39] <giesen> regardless of one of the machines failing
[15-Aug-2006 20:07:47] <giesen> that at least SOMETHING is providing service.
[15-Aug-2006 20:08:11] <kiddle> that is an interesting scenario
[15-Aug-2006 20:08:54] <kiddle> a concept of server group.
[15-Aug-2006 20:10:38] <kiddle> what do u think of a VirtualServer that can have x number of IPs ... if one of the IPs are alive, then that server is alive. if all three fail, the device is down
[15-Aug-2006 20:11:05] <kiddle> btw, i'm sufficiently medicated atm - so don't take me seriously
[15-Aug-2006 20:14:28] <kiddle> that sounds like a common enough occurrence giesen.
[15-Aug-2006 20:19:43] <giesen> I think it sounds like a pretty good idea
[15-Aug-2006 20:35:23] <socialist> that would be really handy to have as a type of system
[15-Aug-2006 20:35:40] <socialist> "web server" with 5 IPs, etc.
[15-Aug-2006 20:36:29] <socialist> er no, as a device since you can't exactly monitor systems yet
[15-Aug-2006 20:49:48] <giesen> gah
[15-Aug-2006 20:49:53] <giesen> stupid boss bothering on the phone
[15-Aug-2006 20:49:57] <giesen> he likes to yammer on forever
[15-Aug-2006 20:50:31] <giesen> the best is when he gets lonely at 3am
[15-Aug-2006 20:50:35] <giesen> and decides to call me
[15-Aug-2006 21:12:02] <kiddle> heh
[15-Aug-2006 21:12:18] <kiddle> i love 3am calls from the boss.
[15-Aug-2006 21:12:36] <kiddle> i get to tell him, ...now i'll be late getting into work
[15-Aug-2006 21:14:47] <kiddle> ack. trying to delete devices from zenoss
[15-Aug-2006 21:30:25] <socialist> try deleting events
[15-Aug-2006 21:30:37] <socialist> btw, hello giesen
[15-Aug-2006 21:40:32] <socialist> oubiwann you around?
[15-Aug-2006 21:40:41] <socialist> Failure: xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -1: 'Unexpected Zope exception: exceptions.OverflowError - int exceeds XML-RPC limits'>
[15-Aug-2006 21:41:09] <socialist> zenperfsnmp won't run, stats are hosed :\
[15-Aug-2006 21:43:26] <kiddle> socialist, where's the interface for deleting events?
[15-Aug-2006 21:43:54] <socialist> kiddle: if you find it, let me know
[15-Aug-2006 21:44:07] <socialist> seriously, I don't think you can
[15-Aug-2006 21:44:35] <kiddle> i zapped all refereces to the device in the mysql events db
[15-Aug-2006 21:44:49] <socialist> that might work, I dunno
[15-Aug-2006 21:44:50] <kiddle> but the device name is somewhere (zodb?) else
[15-Aug-2006 21:44:55] <socialist> yes
[15-Aug-2006 21:44:56] <kiddle> and they just regenerate
[15-Aug-2006 21:45:19] <socialist> a device shouldn't regenerate if you delete it...
[15-Aug-2006 21:45:33] <socialist> I have to run, I'll be back in about 30 min
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[15-Aug-2006 22:37:30] <duffyd> hello, I just installed zenoss (latest stable release) from the tar.gz file on Ubuntu Dapper and it seems to run fine but can't seem to get it to monitor our Small Business Server 2003 via zenwin
[15-Aug-2006 22:38:35] <duffyd> I have installed the latest version of zenwin using the instructions in the INSTALL.txt and also python 2.4 and pywin32 (for python 2.4) but when I try to add the 'device' in zenoss it says it can't find snmp on the SBS server
[15-Aug-2006 22:39:33] <duffyd> I have installed Network Monitoring Tools (as per instructions) and the SNMP server (plus snmp trap agent) show up in services but if I do a netstat on the SBS server it doesn't show anything running on port 161
[15-Aug-2006 22:39:50] <duffyd> Does anyone know how to get this running on a Windows 2K or SBS 2k3 server?
[15-Aug-2006 22:40:07] <duffyd> should I just install the net-snmp opensource package for window?
[15-Aug-2006 22:47:22] <giesen> duffyd: check the snmp gettings
[15-Aug-2006 22:47:36] <giesen> and make sure you can get to it from an address other than 127.0.0.1
[15-Aug-2006 22:47:46] <giesen> a good way to check is to run the following command:
[15-Aug-2006 22:47:52] <duffyd> thanks giesen
[15-Aug-2006 22:47:52] <giesen> (from the zenoss machine)
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:00] <giesen> snmpwalk -v1 -c public <ip>
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:11] <duffyd> cool, so 'public' is the snmp community name?
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:14] <giesen> yeah
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:19] <giesen> assuming you havent changed it
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:20] <duffyd> ta
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:27] <giesen> if you have, update accordingly
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:30] <duffyd> no haven't - didn't want to messs with th defaults
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:44] <giesen> if you get a response from your zenoss machine
[15-Aug-2006 22:48:48] <giesen> at least you know snmp is workin
[15-Aug-2006 22:49:27] <duffyd> says snmpwalk: command not found
[15-Aug-2006 22:49:49] <duffyd> I'll just apt-get the snmp modules
[15-Aug-2006 22:49:52] * duffyd goes to do this
[15-Aug-2006 22:50:25] <giesen> yeah it's a pretty good tool to have on the zenoss machine
[15-Aug-2006 22:50:33] <giesen> for troubleshooting
[15-Aug-2006 22:50:54] <duffyd> k, ta just installing the net snmp tools and the snmp agents
[15-Aug-2006 22:51:04] <giesen> np
[15-Aug-2006 22:51:44] <duffyd> I'm going to put a blog entry on my blog (kokorice.org) about my findings with zenoss - love to promote zope (and any tools that run on it) some more
[15-Aug-2006 22:51:56] <duffyd> I'm actually a Plone developer by trade so typically blog about Plone
[15-Aug-2006 22:52:34] <giesen> hehe I'm trying to become a j2me developer
[15-Aug-2006 22:52:42] <giesen> but I'm failing spectactularly
[15-Aug-2006 22:53:04] <duffyd> ;-) btw I did get a whole lot of responses from the snmp server
[15-Aug-2006 22:53:09] <duffyd> so looks like it's working
[15-Aug-2006 22:53:33] <giesen> okay
[15-Aug-2006 22:53:51] <giesen> you specified the ip of the windows machine, correct?
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:04] <duffyd> sorry, no - the zenoss machine
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:07] <duffyd> I'll do the windows box now
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:25] <duffyd> no response :-(
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:30] <giesen> okay
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:35] <giesen> my guess is it's just an access control thing
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:50] <giesen> go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Services
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:56] <duffyd> but nothing running under port 161 is showing currently
[15-Aug-2006 22:54:59] <giesen> right-click on SNMP Service and click properties
[15-Aug-2006 22:55:00] <duffyd> in services now
[15-Aug-2006 22:55:05] <duffyd> I'm in props
[15-Aug-2006 22:55:22] <giesen> sec
[15-Aug-2006 22:55:47] <giesen> click on security
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:01] <giesen> and make sure "Accept SNMP Packets from these hosts" is selected
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:06] <giesen> and add the IP of your zenoss machine
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:10] <giesen> also
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:17] <giesen> make sure you dont have any firewall software blocking the port
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:23] <giesen> and make sure the service is started.
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:26] <giesen> and set to automatic.
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:41] <duffyd> ok, great ta
[15-Aug-2006 22:56:46] <duffyd> trying now
[15-Aug-2006 22:57:09] <giesen> I just bought a Nokia E61 on ebay
[15-Aug-2006 22:57:13] <giesen> I cant wait till it gets here
[15-Aug-2006 22:57:19] <duffyd> lol
[15-Aug-2006 22:58:06] <duffyd> still nothing
[15-Aug-2006 22:58:37] <giesen> are you able to ping the windows machine from the zenoss box?
[15-Aug-2006 22:58:45] <giesen> and did you verify the SNMP service is started/
[15-Aug-2006 22:59:05] <duffyd> yup and yup
[15-Aug-2006 22:59:17] <giesen> and you dont have any firewalls that might be blocking the traffic
[15-Aug-2006 22:59:28] <giesen> oh
[15-Aug-2006 22:59:36] <giesen> uncheck "Send authentication trap"
[15-Aug-2006 22:59:41] <duffyd> ah ok
[15-Aug-2006 22:59:45] <giesen> in the SNMP Properties > Security tab
[15-Aug-2006 23:00:21] <duffyd> man, still no response
[15-Aug-2006 23:00:31] <duffyd> afaik there is no firewall on the server
[15-Aug-2006 23:00:32] <duffyd> I'
[15-Aug-2006 23:00:35] <duffyd> I'll just confirm that
[15-Aug-2006 23:00:44] * duffyd goes to check if there's a firewall on SBS 2K3
[15-Aug-2006 23:02:00] <giesen> there's one included
[15-Aug-2006 23:02:07] <giesen> I dont know if it's enabled by default or not
[15-Aug-2006 23:02:24] <duffyd> k, what's it called do you know? I've got an Intrnet Authentication Service running
[15-Aug-2006 23:02:46] <giesen> right-click on your network connection
[15-Aug-2006 23:02:50] <giesen> click properties
[15-Aug-2006 23:03:01] <giesen> click the settings tab
[15-Aug-2006 23:03:03] <giesen> click advanced
[15-Aug-2006 23:03:09] <giesen> it's called Windows Firewall
[15-Aug-2006 23:03:27] <giesen> and I think it depends on the ICS Service
[15-Aug-2006 23:04:38] <duffyd> no doesn't appear to be running
[15-Aug-2006 23:04:56] <duffyd> should I be able to telnet to 161 on the localhost?
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:01] <duffyd> as in the SBS2K3 server?
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:03] <giesen> no
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:07] <duffyd> k
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:07] <giesen> it's a UDP port
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:08] <giesen> not TCP
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:10] <duffyd> ahhh
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:12] <giesen> so telnet wont work
[15-Aug-2006 23:05:23] <duffyd> thanks for the clarification
[15-Aug-2006 23:06:06] <giesen> although netstat -a should list it
[15-Aug-2006 23:06:08] <giesen> under UDP
[15-Aug-2006 23:06:20] <giesen> should be like
[15-Aug-2006 23:06:34] <giesen> UDP <hostname>:snmp *:*
[15-Aug-2006 23:07:21] <duffyd> yes it's listed
[15-Aug-2006 23:07:24] <duffyd> which is a good sign
[15-Aug-2006 23:07:52] * bulrog listens with interest
[15-Aug-2006 23:08:12] <duffyd> under the agent tab I've enabled everything under 'service'
[15-Aug-2006 23:08:26] <duffyd> logon is as 'local system account'
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:00] <giesen> what if you set your security
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:06] <giesen> so it accepts SNMP packets from any host
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:14] <duffyd> k
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:18] <giesen> also
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:26] <giesen> did you fill in the contact and location under the agent tab?
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:32] <duffyd> no
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:39] <giesen> try that
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:42] <duffyd> k
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:47] <giesen> and your changes arent actually applied until you click OK
[15-Aug-2006 23:09:49] <giesen> I believe
[15-Aug-2006 23:10:00] <duffyd> yup, I've been restarting the service also
[15-Aug-2006 23:10:06] <giesen> okay cool
[15-Aug-2006 23:10:46] <duffyd> still no response :-(
[15-Aug-2006 23:10:57] <giesen> it sounds like a firewall or network issue
[15-Aug-2006 23:11:07] <duffyd> I've only been making these changes on the SNMP Service, though
[15-Aug-2006 23:11:15] <giesen> yeah that's fine
[15-Aug-2006 23:11:19] <giesen> you dont have to touch the trap service
[15-Aug-2006 23:11:29] <duffyd> k
[15-Aug-2006 23:11:31] <giesen> you definitely have the community name right, correct?
[15-Aug-2006 23:11:45] <giesen> it's listed under Accepted community names
[15-Aug-2006 23:11:48] <giesen> on the Security tab
[15-Aug-2006 23:12:23] <duffyd> no, adding that now
[15-Aug-2006 23:12:41] <bulrog> sadly my windows box overheated
[15-Aug-2006 23:12:44] <duffyd> bingo!!!!!!!!!!
[15-Aug-2006 23:12:50] <giesen> =)
[15-Aug-2006 23:12:56] <duffyd> thanks - how much do I owe you ;-)
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:11] * giesen tallies the bill
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:17] <duffyd> stupid windows options!
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:23] <giesen> $879,898,024,202.32
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:27] <duffyd> and unfortunately the doco is sadly lacking in this area
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:32] <duffyd> I'll have to blog about it ;-)
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:37] <giesen> also
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:42] <giesen> make sure you install SNMP Informant
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:45] <duffyd> oh, just give me your swiss bank account and I'll direct debit it
[15-Aug-2006 23:13:52] <duffyd> k, why's that?
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:06] <giesen> it'll give you a lot more information about the machine
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:14] <duffyd> k, cool
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:21] <giesen> it's documented somewhere
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:25] <duffyd> k, cool
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:25] <giesen> just google snmp informant
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:29] <giesen> and install the free version
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:52] <bulrog> giesen, do u know how to zap devices from zodb?
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:57] <duffyd> btw should I set the accepted community names' rights to 'read create'
[15-Aug-2006 23:14:59] <duffyd> is that cool?
[15-Aug-2006 23:15:04] <duffyd> or s'pose it only needs read?
[15-Aug-2006 23:15:13] <giesen> only needs read
[15-Aug-2006 23:15:15] <giesen> at least for now
[15-Aug-2006 23:15:19] <duffyd> k, cool
[15-Aug-2006 23:15:28] <giesen> although if I have my way
[15-Aug-2006 23:15:35] <giesen> it'll need right <evil grin>
[15-Aug-2006 23:15:38] <giesen> *write
[15-Aug-2006 23:20:26] <duffyd> ;-)
[15-Aug-2006 23:26:21] <duffyd> just a quick question - I've install snmp-informant but there isn't anything to configure is that correct?
[15-Aug-2006 23:28:16] <giesen> nope
[15-Aug-2006 23:28:20] <duffyd> k, cool
[15-Aug-2006 23:28:24] <giesen> erm, yes that's correct
[15-Aug-2006 23:28:28] <giesen> nothing to configure
[15-Aug-2006 23:28:30] <duffyd> great cool
[15-Aug-2006 23:28:45] <duffyd> *I love zenoss* and I think the channel's topic is cool too :-D
[15-Aug-2006 23:28:56] <duffyd> it might put me out of a job ;-)
[15-Aug-2006 23:29:17] <giesen> I think it was better when it said Bill and his life launched their first kid
[15-Aug-2006 23:29:26] <giesen> s/life/wife/
[15-Aug-2006 23:29:43] <duffyd> lol - someone has got a sense of humour
[15-Aug-2006 23:30:33] <giesen> http://osdir.com/Article9166.phtml
[15-Aug-2006 23:30:33] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss, Inc. Lands $4.8 Million in Venture Funding to Expand Open Source IT Management Offerings :: OSDir.com :: Open Source, Linux News & Software (at osdir.com)
[15-Aug-2006 23:30:37] <giesen> erm that's the wrong one
[15-Aug-2006 23:32:17] <giesen> http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2006/08/news_zenoss_lan.html
[15-Aug-2006 23:32:17] <adytum-bot> Title: Open Sources | InfoWorld | News: Zenoss lands $4.8m for OSS IT Management | August 11, 2006 09:11 AM | By Dave Rosenberg (at weblog.infoworld.com)
[15-Aug-2006 23:32:17] <giesen> that's the one
[15-Aug-2006 23:32:23] <duffyd> k, ta
[15-Aug-2006 23:32:47] <giesen> "Not only did founder Bill Karpovich announce the funding of Zenoss, his wife launched their first human child today. Congrats Bill and team."
[15-Aug-2006 23:33:01] <duffyd> ahh, cool
[15-Aug-2006 23:33:51] <duffyd> thanks very much for your assistance
[15-Aug-2006 23:34:15] <giesen> np
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[16-Aug-2006 10:06:24] <bulrog> another day
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[16-Aug-2006 10:07:28] <asyd> Hello
[16-Aug-2006 10:07:29] <korozion> another dollar
[16-Aug-2006 10:07:53] <bulrog> hi asyd
[16-Aug-2006 10:08:07] <bulrog> korozion: with inflation ....
[16-Aug-2006 10:08:19] <asyd> I'm testing zenoss, I discover it yesterday by lurking rrdtool's rrdworld page
[16-Aug-2006 10:08:23] <asyd> zenoss seem very interesting
[16-Aug-2006 10:08:47] <korozion> heh
[16-Aug-2006 10:09:36] <bulrog> asyd: I'm testing zenoss myself. It looks very promising. How are you looking to use it?
[16-Aug-2006 10:11:07] <bulrog> Yesterday, I installed snmpd on 15 of my bsd servers and got so much info, including installed programs that now, I have to upgrade a few of them
[16-Aug-2006 10:11:21] <asyd> hehe
[16-Aug-2006 10:11:46] <asyd> well, I'm actually more network admin than system, so I'll use it for routers/switch and others networks devices
[16-Aug-2006 10:12:09] <korozion> I do both, and I forget things easily, so zenoss is a must for me
[16-Aug-2006 10:12:14] <asyd> have you tried to create an extra graph ?
[16-Aug-2006 10:12:32] <korozion> I'm actually going to write a Debian install doc
[16-Aug-2006 10:12:37] <asyd> nice
[16-Aug-2006 10:12:51] <korozion> perhaps modify the install script so that it uses Debian packages rather than source
[16-Aug-2006 10:12:54] * asyd using the vmware image for testing purposes
[16-Aug-2006 10:12:56] <bulrog> no, i haven't tried to work with any graphs yet. I'm trying to get the windows monitor working to my liking
[16-Aug-2006 10:13:50] <bulrog> I hope zenoss implements a more usable website... like plone's
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[16-Aug-2006 10:16:53] <bulrog> morning edahl
[16-Aug-2006 10:16:59] <asyd> hmm I have no idea how to add a new graph
[16-Aug-2006 10:17:00] <edahl> hey
[16-Aug-2006 10:17:58] <asyd> I saw somewhere than there are helpers to create crickets graphs, but I can't find it
[16-Aug-2006 10:18:20] <creiht> edahl: Congrats on the new funding!
[16-Aug-2006 10:18:36] <edahl> thanks we are very happy
[16-Aug-2006 10:18:50] <asyd> you're a zenoss developer edahl ?
[16-Aug-2006 10:19:01] <edahl> y
[16-Aug-2006 10:19:37] <asyd> well, congrats
[16-Aug-2006 10:19:54] <asyd> hm, I'm afraid running zendoc was not a good idea
[16-Aug-2006 10:22:00] <asyd> are there some docs except the faq ?
[16-Aug-2006 10:22:11] <asyd> (and /trac)
[16-Aug-2006 10:25:54] <asyd> hm forget that
[16-Aug-2006 10:26:28] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/trunk/inst/docs/ZenossAdminGuide.pdf?format=raw
[16-Aug-2006 10:26:28] <edahl> admin doc
[16-Aug-2006 10:27:44] <asyd> hope there is a section about making new graphs
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[16-Aug-2006 10:53:24] <asyd> hmm ok, found how to create my own graphs
[16-Aug-2006 10:54:11] <asyd> question about snmptrap, why there is no daemon listenning to port 162 in vmware image ?
[16-Aug-2006 10:56:42] <edahl> is zentrap running?
[16-Aug-2006 10:56:45] <edahl> zentrap status
[16-Aug-2006 10:56:56] <asyd> nop
[16-Aug-2006 10:57:18] <asyd> just need to zentrap start ?
[16-Aug-2006 10:57:35] <asyd> hmm
[16-Aug-2006 10:57:37] <asyd> zenoss@zenoss ~]$ zentrap start
[16-Aug-2006 10:57:38] <asyd> starting...
[16-Aug-2006 10:57:38] <asyd> WARN: config file /usr/local/zenoss/etc/zentrap.conf not found skipping
[16-Aug-2006 10:57:59] <asyd> but it's now running anyway
[16-Aug-2006 10:59:23] <edahl> warning should be an issue
[16-Aug-2006 10:59:33] <edahl> touch $ZENHOME/etc/zentrap.conf
[16-Aug-2006 10:59:36] <edahl> should fix
[16-Aug-2006 10:59:56] <asyd> ok
[16-Aug-2006 11:00:04] <asyd> time to try to send a trap sample
[16-Aug-2006 11:01:54] <asyd> hmm, do you have an example of zentrap.conf ? the one in svn is empty, I'm wondering which community zentrap accept
[16-Aug-2006 11:04:30] <ecn> zentrap accepts all community strings
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[16-Aug-2006 11:05:13] <asyd> ok
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[16-Aug-2006 11:15:23] <asyd> [root@zenoss mail]# pwd
[16-Aug-2006 11:15:23] <asyd> /etc/mail
[16-Aug-2006 11:15:23] <asyd> [root@zenoss mail]# make
[16-Aug-2006 11:15:23] <asyd> WARNING: 'sendmail.mc' is modified. Please install package sendmail-cf to update your configuration.
[16-Aug-2006 11:15:26] <asyd> :/
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[16-Aug-2006 12:31:57] <creiht> oubiwann: How does adytum-bot choose which headlines to display? (As there are are many news items each day)
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[16-Aug-2006 12:47:03] <edahl> creiht: oubiwann is on vacation today
[16-Aug-2006 12:47:09] <edahl> not sure how this works though
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[16-Aug-2006 14:09:00] <socialist> did anyone ever have a chance to look at this problem with zenperfsnmp?
[16-Aug-2006 14:09:03] <socialist> Failure: xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -1: 'Unexpected Zope exception: exceptions.OverflowError - int exceeds XML-RPC limits'>
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[16-Aug-2006 14:18:05] <bulrog> Where is the snmptrap port specified?/
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[16-Aug-2006 14:33:12] <socialist> do you guys want any bugreports if I'm running the latest SVN, or would you rather only report for releases?
[16-Aug-2006 14:33:22] <socialist> have reports*
[16-Aug-2006 14:40:28] <socialist> FYI in case anyone is interested, I've got my zenoss running using LDAPUserFolder
[16-Aug-2006 14:41:58] <creiht> socialist: That is cool... Perhaps you should add a page to the wiki?
[16-Aug-2006 14:42:17] <socialist> I might do that
[16-Aug-2006 14:42:39] <socialist> my setup was far more involved getting LUF to work with my posix-style directory
[16-Aug-2006 14:42:58] <socialist> which doesn't really have anything to do with zenoss
[16-Aug-2006 14:44:29] <socialist> simply replacing the default acl_users was super easy
[16-Aug-2006 14:53:13] <bulrog> socialist. that is awesome
[16-Aug-2006 14:53:46] <socialist> it's certainly handy
[16-Aug-2006 14:54:01] <socialist> this way all my unix users are mapped to being ZenUsers
[16-Aug-2006 14:54:10] <socialist> and all us admins are Managers
[16-Aug-2006 14:54:14] <bulrog> yea
[16-Aug-2006 14:54:16] <bulrog> PAS is great
[16-Aug-2006 14:54:43] <bulrog> it's on my list of to-check, but i'm glad someone else succeeded as well
[16-Aug-2006 14:55:12] <socialist> the only real problem at all was me using posixGroups
[16-Aug-2006 14:55:14] <bulrog> i have to satisfy windows auth as well as unix boys
[16-Aug-2006 14:55:26] <socialist> this would work fine with ADS
[16-Aug-2006 14:56:11] <socialist> my next trick is to try and get straight kerberos auth working somehow
[16-Aug-2006 14:56:26] <socialist> but I don't know if zope does that at all, I might have to write it
[16-Aug-2006 14:56:50] <bulrog> search through http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-pas
[16-Aug-2006 14:56:51] <adytum-bot> Title: Zope-PAS Info Page (at mail.zope.org)
[16-Aug-2006 14:57:03] <bulrog> i remember it being a discussion in plone, so i assume its zopeable
[16-Aug-2006 14:57:21] <socialist> is 2.8.8 new enough to use PAS?
[16-Aug-2006 14:57:31] <socialist> I didn't even bother to look
[16-Aug-2006 14:59:34] <bulrog> I can't say, but worth a check
[16-Aug-2006 15:00:30] <socialist> ooh you're in nyc?
[16-Aug-2006 15:01:04] <socialist> I miss it
[16-Aug-2006 15:01:21] <bulrog> ya
[16-Aug-2006 15:01:45] <bulrog> you?
[16-Aug-2006 15:01:53] <socialist> portland, oregon now
[16-Aug-2006 15:02:12] <bulrog> quite a difference ?
[16-Aug-2006 15:02:16] <socialist> oh yes
[16-Aug-2006 15:02:31] <bulrog> my buddy just took his whole family to a commune in HI
[16-Aug-2006 15:02:40] <socialist> whoa
[16-Aug-2006 15:03:02] <socialist> I think I mostly miss the east coast in general
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[16-Aug-2006 15:03:15] <socialist> pizza here sucks
[16-Aug-2006 15:03:18] <bulrog> hahahaha
[16-Aug-2006 15:03:57] <bulrog> family?
[16-Aug-2006 15:04:07] <socialist> my wife and I
[16-Aug-2006 15:04:15] * bulrog is a cooking maniac
[16-Aug-2006 15:04:20] <socialist> me too
[16-Aug-2006 15:04:34] <socialist> oregon is incredible for food
[16-Aug-2006 15:04:49] <socialist> 365-day growing season, 80% of the produce around here is grown locally
[16-Aug-2006 15:04:50] <bulrog> really? fresh product?
[16-Aug-2006 15:04:59] <bulrog> nice!
[16-Aug-2006 15:05:31] <bulrog> i hit the farmer's market but i think i'll join the food-coop in bklyn
[16-Aug-2006 15:05:50] <socialist> I had some friends that did that
[16-Aug-2006 15:05:58] <socialist> I never went, but they seemed to like it
[16-Aug-2006 15:13:48] <creiht> edahl_: You here? I just ran into a couple of problems
[16-Aug-2006 15:25:26] <creiht> edahl_: A couple of times now we have hit a bug with Dell Perc 3 cards and EXT3 filesystems where we basically loose the filesystem, and the computer goes into a weird state
[16-Aug-2006 15:25:52] <creiht> Ports stay open, but never finish a request
[16-Aug-2006 15:26:03] <creiht> And Zenoss never alerts us to a problem
[16-Aug-2006 15:27:51] <creiht> Another problem I had is that I created a threshold for IfInUcastPackets on the main interface to be a minimum of 10
[16-Aug-2006 15:28:32] <creiht> When a server went below 10, it never generated an alert
[16-Aug-2006 15:28:54] <socialist> if you can reproduce the bug, submit a ticket
[16-Aug-2006 15:29:08] <socialist> it's been kinda quiet here this week so tickets may reach them better
[16-Aug-2006 15:29:40] <creiht> Yeah,... I just thought I would try pinging edahl first
[16-Aug-2006 15:58:16] * giesen writes up another ticket
[16-Aug-2006 16:02:52] <giesen> bye
[16-Aug-2006 16:02:55] <giesen> rtm, bte
[16-Aug-2006 16:02:57] <giesen> gah
[16-Aug-2006 16:03:00] <giesen> BTW
[16-Aug-2006 16:03:12] <giesen> who said obiwaun could have a vacation
[16-Aug-2006 16:03:29] <giesen> *oubiwann
[16-Aug-2006 16:04:26] <giesen> socialist: the LDAP stuff sounds sexy
[16-Aug-2006 16:04:31] <giesen> please write a wiki page =)
[16-Aug-2006 16:04:47] <giesen> I'm planning to move all my *nix boxen to LDAP
[16-Aug-2006 16:04:52] <giesen> and I'd love to have zenoss on LDAP as well
[16-Aug-2006 16:19:12] <bulrog> giesen
[16-Aug-2006 16:37:25] <giesen> hey
[16-Aug-2006 16:37:33] * giesen just submitted yet another ticket
[16-Aug-2006 16:37:36] * giesen is the YAT man
[16-Aug-2006 16:40:02] * giesen hums the original batman theme song
[16-Aug-2006 16:50:52] <creiht> edahl!
[16-Aug-2006 16:50:58] <edahl> creiht: i'm back
[16-Aug-2006 16:51:03] <creiht>
[16-Aug-2006 16:51:15] <creiht> So I had a couple of weird problems today
[16-Aug-2006 16:51:20] <edahl> k
[16-Aug-2006 16:51:25] <edahl> just reading the history
[16-Aug-2006 16:51:29] <creiht> cool
[16-Aug-2006 16:51:37] <creiht> The main ones are up there
[16-Aug-2006 16:51:55] <edahl> tcp port test is not enough to catch the problem correct?
[16-Aug-2006 16:52:01] <edahl> need full http request
[16-Aug-2006 16:52:09] <creiht> Well that would probably do it
[16-Aug-2006 16:52:14] <creiht> But the really weird thing
[16-Aug-2006 16:52:21] <creiht> is that it didn't even report snmp being down
[16-Aug-2006 16:52:34] <creiht> I had no graph data showing up
[16-Aug-2006 16:52:51] <edahl> hum that sounds like a bug
[16-Aug-2006 16:55:37] <edahl> and you had an issue with thresholds not clearing?
[16-Aug-2006 16:55:54] <edahl> sorry min threshold
[16-Aug-2006 16:56:00] <edahl> didn't work?
[16-Aug-2006 16:57:14] <creiht> Yes when that happened
[16-Aug-2006 16:57:27] <creiht> Our other server had overloaded, and basically apache stopped serving requests
[16-Aug-2006 16:57:44] <creiht> I had set a minimum threshold on the packets
[16-Aug-2006 16:57:44] * socialist pounces on edahl
[16-Aug-2006 16:58:03] <creiht> for that server so we would know if a situation like that ever happened
[16-Aug-2006 16:58:20] <creiht> I had set the minimum to 10, and when I looked at it, it was at 5
[16-Aug-2006 16:58:34] <creiht> No events were generated
[16-Aug-2006 16:59:33] <edahl> got it
[16-Aug-2006 17:05:32] <giesen> edahl: two more feature enhancement tickets for ya =)
[16-Aug-2006 17:07:38] <edahl> got them
[16-Aug-2006 17:08:10] <giesen> my goal is to eventually bury you in them
[16-Aug-2006 17:08:16] <giesen> so you'll never see the light of day again.
[16-Aug-2006 17:08:27] <giesen> =)
[16-Aug-2006 17:08:30] <edahl>
[16-Aug-2006 17:08:44] <giesen> that one actually came from a customer today
[16-Aug-2006 17:08:49] <giesen> that I showed zenoss to
[16-Aug-2006 17:08:54] <edahl> the list of tickets is getting quite large
[16-Aug-2006 17:09:01] <giesen> hehe just just spent a bunch of money on IP check
[16-Aug-2006 17:09:06] <giesen> like a week ago
[16-Aug-2006 17:09:09] <giesen> and I showed him zenoss
[16-Aug-2006 17:09:18] <giesen> and he's like "fuck, can you install it for me?"
[16-Aug-2006 17:09:23] <edahl> cool!
[16-Aug-2006 17:09:45] <giesen> which is good for me, cause I can bill him for the install
[16-Aug-2006 17:10:05] <edahl> great
[16-Aug-2006 17:10:45] <edahl> partitioning and relative thresholds are good features
[16-Aug-2006 17:11:01] <edahl> partitioning might be hard though
[16-Aug-2006 17:11:34] <edahl> going to put it in zenoss-3000 (new release for things we want to track but don't know when they will be released)
[16-Aug-2006 17:12:33] <giesen> yeah I know some of the stuff I suggested will be tough
[16-Aug-2006 17:12:40] <giesen> and probably require some major rewriting
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:03] <edahl> I like the text to speech one that would be cool
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:08] <giesen> yeah
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:12] <giesen> I actually figured out something
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:17] <creiht> wonders how many of his suggestions are in zenoss-3000
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:22] <giesen> as long as I have an interface to write asterisk AGIs to
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:22] <edahl>
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:46] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=zenoss-3000
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:46] <giesen> I can have asterisk+festival do the text to speech
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:46] <adytum-bot> Title: Custom Query - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:46] <edahl> only 8 so far
[16-Aug-2006 17:13:58] <giesen> so I guess I gotta figure out how the hell to use XMLRPC
[16-Aug-2006 17:16:36] <edahl> chuck min threshold ticket is #269
[16-Aug-2006 17:16:59] <creiht> edahl: Cool thanks
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[16-Aug-2006 17:33:09] <giesen> haha he says there's 8 only tickets for zenoss-8000
[16-Aug-2006 17:33:12] <giesen> and 6 of them are mine =p
[16-Aug-2006 17:33:21] <edahl>
[16-Aug-2006 17:34:37] <edahl> there are more to come I just haven't got to moving them yet...
[16-Aug-2006 17:35:23] <giesen> yeah I know
[16-Aug-2006 17:35:26] <giesen> I'm just poking fun
[16-Aug-2006 17:38:49] <socialist> hey edahl: Failure: xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -1: 'Unexpected Zope exception: exceptions.OverflowError - int exceeds XML-RPC limits'>
[16-Aug-2006 17:39:03] <socialist> I'm running svn, so I didn't want to submit a ticket yet
[16-Aug-2006 17:40:42] <giesen> oh
[16-Aug-2006 17:40:54] <giesen> and I can test for ticket #254
[16-Aug-2006 17:40:59] <giesen> since I have two /16
[16-Aug-2006 17:41:12] <giesen> and I have *never* had it show a device in /Discovered
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[16-Aug-2006 17:49:30] <leku> ahh
[16-Aug-2006 17:49:43] <leku> hello
[16-Aug-2006 17:50:08] <leku> hold me
[16-Aug-2006 17:50:14] <leku> i need something to replace cacti
[16-Aug-2006 17:57:34] <edahl> socialist: what is giving that error? zenperfsnmp?
[16-Aug-2006 17:57:39] <socialist> edah: yah
[16-Aug-2006 17:57:50] <socialist> leku: funny, that's why I cam here too
[16-Aug-2006 17:58:11] <edahl> hum
[16-Aug-2006 17:58:25] <socialist> I'm trying to run it through a debugger
[16-Aug-2006 17:58:33] <edahl> is it during startup?
[16-Aug-2006 17:58:38] <socialist> shortly after
[16-Aug-2006 17:58:41] <edahl> when its loading config?
[16-Aug-2006 17:58:42] <socialist> ~ 3 sec
[16-Aug-2006 17:59:12] <edahl> maybe you have a really big threshold value? > 4 trillion
[16-Aug-2006 17:59:17] <socialist> nooo
[16-Aug-2006 17:59:24] <edahl> hum
[16-Aug-2006 18:00:08] <leku> seriously
[16-Aug-2006 18:00:11] <leku> cacti fucking blows
[16-Aug-2006 18:00:12] <socialist> you aren't using eric3 by any change are you?
[16-Aug-2006 18:00:57] <edahl> no just vim
[16-Aug-2006 18:02:53] <socialist> in zpf.main()
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[16-Aug-2006 18:06:11] <socialist> wait a minute, my python shouldn't be heading out to the system libs should it?
[16-Aug-2006 18:06:44] <edahl> not sure just looking at the code
[16-Aug-2006 18:08:08] * edahl put at break after 206 in zenperfsnmp.py
[16-Aug-2006 18:08:14] <edahl> see if you get a device list back
[16-Aug-2006 18:12:44] <socialist> heh no, mine dies
[16-Aug-2006 18:12:55] <socialist> wait no it doesn't
[16-Aug-2006 18:12:59] <socialist> I'm dumb, hold on
[16-Aug-2006 18:15:13] <socialist> no I'm not getting a list
[16-Aug-2006 18:15:28] <edahl> ok that's what I expected
[16-Aug-2006 18:15:34] <socialist> faults immediately after
[16-Aug-2006 18:19:45] <socialist> I see the xmlrpc call in Z2.log, but no errors anywhere
[16-Aug-2006 18:20:13] <edahl> problem is encoding the response
[16-Aug-2006 18:20:18] <edahl> run zendmd
[16-Aug-2006 18:20:28] <edahl> within it run
[16-Aug-2006 18:20:34] <edahl> dmd.Monitors.Performance.localhost.getDevices()
[16-Aug-2006 18:20:47] <edahl> and see if you see a big integer somewhere
[16-Aug-2006 18:21:32] <socialist> doh need my prettyprint
[16-Aug-2006 18:22:07] <edahl> yes
[16-Aug-2006 18:25:01] <socialist> any idea which area of a device might have a number this big?
[16-Aug-2006 18:25:12] <socialist> that's a lot of text...
[16-Aug-2006 18:25:51] <edahl> hum not sure in a threshold maybe?
[16-Aug-2006 18:26:15] <socialist> I'm going to check my threshholds in the dmd
[16-Aug-2006 18:26:22] <socialist> i've only changed maybe 2...
[16-Aug-2006 18:28:15] <edahl> very strange
[16-Aug-2006 18:32:38] <socialist> hey I do have a system with a ~3TB array...
[16-Aug-2006 18:33:16] <edahl> hum that might be it
[16-Aug-2006 18:33:36] <edahl> max signed int
[16-Aug-2006 18:33:52] <edahl> thats definitely it
[16-Aug-2006 18:34:47] <edahl> can you do the following
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:14] <edahl> in zendmd
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:24] <edahl> d=find('yourdevname')
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:32] <edahl> d.getSnmpOidTargets()
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:35] <edahl> might pprint it
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:45] <socialist> for the device with the big array?
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:52] <edahl> see what the threshold on th
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:54] <edahl> is
[16-Aug-2006 18:35:55] <edahl> yes
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[16-Aug-2006 18:37:16] <Shazburg> So I'm kinda bummed.
[16-Aug-2006 18:38:38] <Shazburg> I had this nice working zenoss install (bar an annoying heartbeat error), then I updated from trunk and now it would seem that snmp polling is broken.
[16-Aug-2006 18:38:49] <Shazburg> This makes me sad. The tears...they are many.
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[16-Aug-2006 18:41:58] <Shazburg> Any ideas?
[16-Aug-2006 18:42:00] <Shazburg> http://pastebin.adytum.us/81
[16-Aug-2006 18:42:00] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[16-Aug-2006 18:42:57] <socialist> Shazburg: we might be working on that now
[16-Aug-2006 18:43:05] <socialist> and by "we" I mean "edahl"
[16-Aug-2006 18:43:23] <socialist> check your zenperfsnmp.log
[16-Aug-2006 18:43:30] <Shazburg> Really? Oh that would be so nice.
[16-Aug-2006 18:43:35] <Shazburg> What am I looking for?
[16-Aug-2006 18:43:57] <socialist> maybe an error about xml-rpc?
[16-Aug-2006 18:44:47] <socialist> (you may not see anything, my problem may be specific only to my setup, I'm just curious)
[16-Aug-2006 18:50:04] <Shazburg> I have an xml-rpc error from right after my initial install.
[16-Aug-2006 18:50:38] <Shazburg> The device I just added doesn't even show up in zenperfsnmp.log
[16-Aug-2006 18:50:51] <socialist> which error?
[16-Aug-2006 18:51:55] <Shazburg> %_safari
[16-Aug-2006 18:51:58] <Shazburg> Err.
[16-Aug-2006 18:52:06] <Shazburg> No scripts on this chat app.
[16-Aug-2006 18:52:17] <Shazburg> http://pastebin.adytum.us/82
[16-Aug-2006 18:52:17] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[16-Aug-2006 18:52:56] <socialist> not the same :\
[16-Aug-2006 18:53:09] <Shazburg> Yeah, and it was just the once right after install.
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[16-Aug-2006 19:40:32] <giesen> leku: zenoss isnt really a replacement for cacti
[16-Aug-2006 19:40:39] <giesen> cacti is more for bandwidth monitoring
[16-Aug-2006 19:40:45] <giesen> zenoss is for device monitoring
[16-Aug-2006 19:40:53] <giesen> they share some of the same functionality
[16-Aug-2006 19:41:01] <giesen> but they're not really competing products
[16-Aug-2006 19:41:19] <Shazburg> I must have missed the beginning of this conversation.
[16-Aug-2006 19:41:47] <giesen> hehe we use cacti for our bandwidth monitoring
[16-Aug-2006 19:42:01] <giesen> we had to intentionally break RRD so we'd keep our samples for a full year
[16-Aug-2006 19:42:06] <giesen> rather than having them dropped
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[16-Aug-2006 20:47:47] <socialist> ugh why are zope exports so stunningly slow
[16-Aug-2006 21:06:58] <giesen> god
[16-Aug-2006 21:07:06] <giesen> you know people really have too much time on their hands
[16-Aug-2006 21:07:16] <giesen> when there's an RFC/MIB for coffee makers
[16-Aug-2006 21:07:20] <socialist> oh I thought you mean god makes zope exports slow
[16-Aug-2006 21:07:24] <socialist> HAHAH
[16-Aug-2006 21:07:33] <socialist> I love that RFC
[16-Aug-2006 21:08:09] <socialist> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
[16-Aug-2006 21:08:09] <adytum-bot> Title: RFC 1149 (rfc1149) - Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avia (at www.faqs.org)
[16-Aug-2006 21:08:09] <socialist> you need to read that if you have not
[16-Aug-2006 21:11:31] <giesen> nice
[16-Aug-2006 22:22:39] <bulrog> hey giesen, how's your xmlrpc coming along?
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[17-Aug-2006 03:33:35] <asyd> \_o<
[17-Aug-2006 06:07:52] <asyd> anyone awake ?
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[17-Aug-2006 10:58:11] <leku> good morning
[17-Aug-2006 10:59:01] <leku> the zenoss homepage says simplifying systems management
[17-Aug-2006 10:59:08] <leku> zenoss can be used to graph routers too right?
[17-Aug-2006 10:59:43] <creiht> leku: That is what I have heard
[17-Aug-2006 10:59:50] <leku> nm i see the screenshots
[17-Aug-2006 11:00:04] <leku> I am looking for a cacti replacement
[17-Aug-2006 11:00:22] <creiht> leku: I'm currently using it to monitor systems, but have seen many here monitoring network devices
[17-Aug-2006 11:00:36] <leku> cool
[17-Aug-2006 11:00:41] <leku> what is up with this vmware virtual appliance?
[17-Aug-2006 11:00:48] <leku> maybe this might be a good way for me to test it out
[17-Aug-2006 11:00:51] <creiht> leku: A simple way to try it out
[17-Aug-2006 11:00:55] <creiht> yeah
[17-Aug-2006 11:01:13] <leku> I haven't used vmware in > 5 years, what do I need to get started?
[17-Aug-2006 11:02:17] <leku> nm
[17-Aug-2006 11:04:47] <fishstickz> VMWare server is free now, it's very easy to set up
[17-Aug-2006 11:05:22] <leku> the server?
[17-Aug-2006 11:05:26] <leku> i'm downloading the player I guess
[17-Aug-2006 11:06:17] <fishstickz> Eh, either works
[17-Aug-2006 11:06:47] <leku> what is the difference?
[17-Aug-2006 11:08:08] <creiht> I think the major difference is that the player just uses pre-made images
[17-Aug-2006 11:08:19] <fishstickz> You cant create new images in server
[17-Aug-2006 11:08:21] <creiht> Server allows you to create your own virtual machines
[17-Aug-2006 11:08:26] <leku> ahh cool
[17-Aug-2006 11:08:29] <leku> i'll have to play with that later
[17-Aug-2006 11:08:52] <leku> cant wait tos ee thsi stuff run
[17-Aug-2006 11:11:56] <leku> who are the developers here on the zenoss project?
[17-Aug-2006 11:12:00] <leku> any of you?
[17-Aug-2006 11:12:31] <creiht> leku: The ones that I know of are edahl, ecn, and oubiwann
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[17-Aug-2006 11:13:15] <fishstickz> Edahl, ecn and oubiwann are the devs, Im just an intern here for the summer
[17-Aug-2006 11:13:39] <leku> what is your job then fish?
[17-Aug-2006 11:13:55] <fishstickz> Alot of admininstrative stuff for them
[17-Aug-2006 11:14:09] <fishstickz> But I also set up the VMware images, set up our servers, etc
[17-Aug-2006 11:14:14] <leku> cool
[17-Aug-2006 11:14:25] <leku> wish i knew python
[17-Aug-2006 11:14:38] <creiht> leku: It's pretty easy to pick up
[17-Aug-2006 11:14:46] <leku> i know perl, php, and a few others
[17-Aug-2006 11:14:50] <leku> tcl, java, c
[17-Aug-2006 11:15:15] <leku> my boss might kill me if i start coding in python though
[17-Aug-2006 11:15:26] <creiht> laugh
[17-Aug-2006 11:15:55] <leku> how does zenoss compare to nagios?
[17-Aug-2006 11:16:37] <creiht> leku: Well if you want to give Python a try I recommend checking out http://diveintopython.org/
[17-Aug-2006 11:16:37] <adytum-bot> Title: Dive Into Python (at diveintopython.org)
[17-Aug-2006 11:16:43] <creiht> leku: I haven't personally used nagios, but I hear it is better
[17-Aug-2006 11:16:48] <leku> thanks, if i have a need I will
[17-Aug-2006 11:17:06] <leku> i don't get involved in projects unless I have to
[17-Aug-2006 11:17:25] <leku> same with learning new programming languages
[17-Aug-2006 11:17:43] <leku> what does zenoss do with syslog?
[17-Aug-2006 11:18:24] <creiht> It can listen on the syslog port, and will log events for any syslog messages sent to it
[17-Aug-2006 11:18:25] <fishstickz> Leku: In my completely unbiased opinion, zenoss is much better
[17-Aug-2006 11:18:28] <fishstickz> >.>
[17-Aug-2006 11:18:42] <leku> so it is a syslog-ng replacement?
[17-Aug-2006 11:18:56] <creiht> hmmm
[17-Aug-2006 11:18:59] <leku> does it do any event correlation?
[17-Aug-2006 11:19:14] <creiht> I actually haven't used that part yet
[17-Aug-2006 11:19:25] <leku> k
[17-Aug-2006 11:19:37] <creiht> This might be usefull though
[17-Aug-2006 11:19:59] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToSetupSyslog
[17-Aug-2006 11:19:59] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToSetupSyslog - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[17-Aug-2006 11:19:59] <leku> ya i just read that
[17-Aug-2006 11:19:59] <leku> thx tho
[17-Aug-2006 11:20:37] <fishstickz> It's a bot
[17-Aug-2006 11:20:45] <leku>
[17-Aug-2006 11:21:06] <leku> brb
[17-Aug-2006 12:10:15] <leku> what does "Local Copy' do in perfconf?
[17-Aug-2006 12:11:56] <asyd> it make config editable
[17-Aug-2006 12:11:59] <asyd> (add graphique, etc)
[17-Aug-2006 12:12:03] <asyd> oups, graphics
[17-Aug-2006 12:12:35] <leku> how do I set up diff oids to poll for and graph?
[17-Aug-2006 12:15:45] <asyd> not sure to understand
[17-Aug-2006 12:16:09] <leku> i want mrtg like graphs
[17-Aug-2006 12:16:15] <leku> i want to graph bits or bytes on a particular interface
[17-Aug-2006 12:16:16] <asyd> you query for an OID to store value in a data source
[17-Aug-2006 12:16:23] <asyd> and you graph the data source
[17-Aug-2006 12:16:34] <leku> heh
[17-Aug-2006 12:16:36] <leku> nm
[17-Aug-2006 12:16:43] <asyd> with optionals operations (bytes to bits, 95%th, etc)
[17-Aug-2006 12:20:59] <leku> blah
[17-Aug-2006 12:21:02] <leku> i dont see anything being graphed
[17-Aug-2006 12:21:05] <leku> not even the uptime default
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[17-Aug-2006 12:27:25] <creiht> leku: It usually takes a bit for the graphs to show up (It needs to collect some data first)
[17-Aug-2006 12:27:34] <leku> do i need to have a cron job to run a poller or osmething?
[17-Aug-2006 12:27:51] <creiht> Plus by default it reloads the configs every 20 minutes
[17-Aug-2006 12:27:52] <leku> and do i need to load some mib so i can graph interface statistics on a router?
[17-Aug-2006 12:28:03] <asyd> no
[17-Aug-2006 12:28:09] <creiht> leku: By default it already has some templates set up
[17-Aug-2006 12:28:18] <asyd> except if your router doesn't understand IF-MIB
[17-Aug-2006 12:28:58] <creiht> leku: Also check that zenperfsnmp is running
[17-Aug-2006 12:29:19] <creiht> It doesn't start up on a fresh install if there are no devices yet
[17-Aug-2006 12:29:31] <leku> i added 1 cisco router
[17-Aug-2006 12:29:38] <creiht> You can do that by going to $ZENHOME/bin
[17-Aug-2006 12:29:42] <creiht> and running
[17-Aug-2006 12:29:47] <creiht> zenperfsnmp status
[17-Aug-2006 12:29:52] <leku> its runni
[17-Aug-2006 12:29:59] <creiht> ok good
[17-Aug-2006 12:30:10] <creiht> leku: And you have added devices correct?
[17-Aug-2006 12:30:14] <leku> yep
[17-Aug-2006 12:30:29] <leku> and unfortunately it hink it is trying to discover more in my /16 ;9
[17-Aug-2006 12:30:32] <creiht> If you go to one of the devices, and you click on the Perf tab, what do you see?
[17-Aug-2006 12:30:35] <leku> nada
[17-Aug-2006 12:31:37] <leku> where are these templates/
[17-Aug-2006 12:31:42] <leku> becuase it looks like all i got is sysuptime
[17-Aug-2006 12:32:16] <creiht> Where is the device in the device heirarchy?
[17-Aug-2006 12:32:32] <leku> dunno but i think i needed to add an rrd graph
[17-Aug-2006 12:32:35] <leku> which i didn't do yet
[17-Aug-2006 12:32:41] <leku> it sin the network class
[17-Aug-2006 12:32:43] <creiht> You shouldn't have to do that
[17-Aug-2006 12:33:00] <creiht> when you are looking at the device, it should show you the path at the top
[17-Aug-2006 12:33:01] <creiht> for example
[17-Aug-2006 12:33:07] <creiht> with my servers I see something like
[17-Aug-2006 12:33:20] <Shazburg> leku: I missed the beginning. Did you install from svn?
[17-Aug-2006 12:33:21] <leku> /devices/network/router/hostname
[17-Aug-2006 12:33:26] <leku> i am running the vm image
[17-Aug-2006 12:34:14] <creiht> leku: Try this
[17-Aug-2006 12:34:22] <creiht> Click on the Manage tab
[17-Aug-2006 12:34:27] <creiht> from one of your devices
[17-Aug-2006 12:34:55] <creiht> and click the Collect Configuration button
[17-Aug-2006 12:35:13] <creiht> And see what it shows up
[17-Aug-2006 12:35:13] <leku> k
[17-Aug-2006 12:35:29] <creiht> It should show everything that it knows how to collect data from
[17-Aug-2006 12:35:52] <creiht> The other thing to make sure of is that the routers have snmp open for the box that you are polling from
[17-Aug-2006 12:36:17] <creiht> And that your community string is set correctly (If it isn't using public by default)
[17-Aug-2006 12:37:58] <leku> shit my ctrl key just broke
[17-Aug-2006 12:38:12] <leku> wtf
[17-Aug-2006 12:41:20] <Shazburg> Bummer of a birthmark, Al.
[17-Aug-2006 12:42:48] <leku> how come I only have one template for rrd?
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[17-Aug-2006 12:43:51] <leku> nm i see them now
[17-Aug-2006 12:43:55] <leku> this interface is really counterintuitive..
[17-Aug-2006 12:44:40] <creiht> leku: It is at least fairly consistent, once you learn where everything is
[17-Aug-2006 12:44:45] <Shazburg> It looks better when your ctrl key works.
[17-Aug-2006 12:44:57] <leku> its working now
[17-Aug-2006 12:45:04] <creiht> good
[17-Aug-2006 12:46:22] <creiht> leku: If you have suggestion on how it can be better, the devs are very receptive to suggestions
[17-Aug-2006 12:47:09] <leku> yeah
[17-Aug-2006 12:47:12] <leku> i don't know if i can use this or not
[17-Aug-2006 12:47:16] <leku> blah
[17-Aug-2006 12:47:35] <leku> not like you guys should care
[17-Aug-2006 12:47:40] <creiht> ???
[17-Aug-2006 12:47:47] <creiht> What do you need it to do?
[17-Aug-2006 12:47:50] <Shazburg> What is it you wanted to do?
[17-Aug-2006 12:48:14] <leku> replace cacti
[17-Aug-2006 12:48:22] <Shazburg> Ah.
[17-Aug-2006 12:48:28] <leku> i just want something that has an easy to use interface to graph interface statistics on network elements
[17-Aug-2006 12:48:50] <leku> this may not be the way to go for me though
[17-Aug-2006 12:49:01] <Shazburg> You're interested in just monitoring your router/switch usage, I take it?
[17-Aug-2006 12:49:04] <leku> yep
[17-Aug-2006 12:49:09] <creiht> If you click on the os tab for the device
[17-Aug-2006 12:49:18] <creiht> Do you see the interfaces for that device?
[17-Aug-2006 12:49:56] <leku> ahhh
[17-Aug-2006 12:50:01] <leku> this is what i've been looking for
[17-Aug-2006 12:50:05] <leku> blehh
[17-Aug-2006 12:50:07] <creiht> If you click on the interface name, it gives you graphs for that interface
[17-Aug-2006 12:50:19] <leku> finally
[17-Aug-2006 12:50:50] <leku> thx creiht
[17-Aug-2006 12:50:53] <creiht> np
[17-Aug-2006 12:50:58] <creiht> glad I could help
[17-Aug-2006 12:51:23] <leku> ok so now how do i setup the graphs for this?
[17-Aug-2006 12:51:25] <leku> i hit local copy
[17-Aug-2006 12:51:27] <leku> does that start it?
[17-Aug-2006 12:51:51] <creiht> local copy is if you want to change the template for that one device
[17-Aug-2006 12:52:04] <creiht> zenoss works off the idea of having templates
[17-Aug-2006 12:52:09] <creiht> for monitoring
[17-Aug-2006 12:52:10] <leku> where do I go to see the graphs then?
[17-Aug-2006 12:52:37] <Shazburg> How long has it been since you added this device?
[17-Aug-2006 12:52:44] <creiht> Which graphs do you want to see? There is a different place for device perf, interface perf, etc.
[17-Aug-2006 12:52:49] <leku> interface perf
[17-Aug-2006 12:52:57] <leku> how do i even tell it to start graphing?
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:03] <leku> shaz: about 5 min ago i think
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:07] <creiht> It does that automagically
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:08] <leku> don't I need to enable something?
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:13] <Shazburg> You'll need to give it a little time.
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:16] <leku> ok
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:23] <creiht> Yeah it just takes a little while
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:33] <creiht> zenoss re-loads the configs every 20 minutes
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:41] <Shazburg> It starts gathering data, but it will take 20 minutes for the graphs to show up.
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:45] <creiht> so each change you make can take up to 20 minutes to propigate
[17-Aug-2006 12:53:54] <leku> ok
[17-Aug-2006 12:54:01] <leku> cool, i'll just hang tight then
[17-Aug-2006 12:54:02] <leku> thx
[17-Aug-2006 12:54:35] <creiht> If you want it to happen more quickly
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[17-Aug-2006 12:54:39] <creiht> You can restart zenoss
[17-Aug-2006 12:54:46] <creiht> and it will immediately reload the configs then
[17-Aug-2006 12:55:07] <creiht> It will still need a bit of data collection before you will see a graph
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[17-Aug-2006 12:56:19] <creiht> I'm off to lunch, but will be back later
[17-Aug-2006 12:57:02] <leku> latez
[17-Aug-2006 13:07:42] <Shazburg> Okay, this one has been eating at me for the last day or so. I updated from trunk to resolve my Zenagios Heartbeat issue, but now I'm getting no love from SNMP. I'm still talking with my existing devices, but when I add a new device it doesn't seem to even try to talk to the new host.
[17-Aug-2006 13:08:05] <Shazburg> Where should I be looking for errors with snmp while adding new hosts?
[17-Aug-2006 13:16:26] <socialist> zenmodeler I think
[17-Aug-2006 13:17:03] <socialist> you should have a lot of logfiles in $ZENHOME/log, have to checked them?
[17-Aug-2006 13:17:57] <Shazburg> Yeah, I've been looking through them and I'm still sorting out what I'm looking at.
[17-Aug-2006 13:18:13] <Shazburg> I haven't come across any "ah-ha!" entries thus far.
[17-Aug-2006 13:21:43] <Shazburg> event.log:2006-08-17T10:03:40 INFO zen.ZenModeler snmp collection device medinfoapp
[17-Aug-2006 13:22:02] <Shazburg> event.log:2006-08-17T10:03:40 INFO zen.Device collected snmp information for device medinfoapp.north.renoimage.com
[17-Aug-2006 13:22:36] <Shazburg> zenmodeler.log:2006-08-17 09:50:41 INFO zen.ZenModeler: snmp collection device medinfoapp.north.renoimage.com
[17-Aug-2006 13:22:58] <Shazburg> zenmodeler.log:2006-08-17 09:50:42 WARNING zen.ZenModeler: Unable to create a snmp client for medinfoapp.north.renoimage.com
[17-Aug-2006 13:27:42] <socialist> weird
[17-Aug-2006 13:28:15] <socialist> I think you'll have to wait for one of the devs :\
[17-Aug-2006 13:28:20] <Shazburg> I go to add the device, it says everything is fine, but there is no data collected via SNMP.
[17-Aug-2006 13:28:24] <Shazburg> Schiesse.
[17-Aug-2006 13:28:53] <Shazburg> Hell, now I can't even spell my curses...
[17-Aug-2006 13:31:11] <giesen> Shazburg = Josh?
[17-Aug-2006 13:31:24] <Shazburg> Yep.
[17-Aug-2006 13:32:19] <giesen> giesen = YATman
[17-Aug-2006 13:32:27] <giesen> (Yet Another Ticket)
[17-Aug-2006 13:32:34] <giesen> =)
[17-Aug-2006 13:32:46] <giesen> although I havent submitted any today
[17-Aug-2006 13:32:51] <giesen> I guess I better get on that.
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[17-Aug-2006 13:51:37] <Shazburg> Has anyone in here done a fresh install off trunk in the last 24 hours or less?
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[17-Aug-2006 13:58:15] <leku> still no graphs
[17-Aug-2006 13:58:18] <leku> its been an hour at least
[17-Aug-2006 14:08:26] <Shazburg> Just to eliminate the obvious: did you try to refresh the page? You know, make certain your not pulling from a local cache?
[17-Aug-2006 14:13:19] <socialist> leku: make sure zenperfsnmp is running, make sure it's not spitting errors, and look at PerfConf of the interface you are trying to graph and make sure it has a configuration associated with it
[17-Aug-2006 14:20:17] <Shazburg> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there supposed to be a zenoss database?
[17-Aug-2006 14:20:35] <Shazburg> Called "zenoss".
[17-Aug-2006 14:21:28] <leku> hm
[17-Aug-2006 14:21:33] <leku> i did refresh..
[17-Aug-2006 14:28:11] <leku> and cleared my cache
[17-Aug-2006 14:28:21] <leku> starting to hate opensource today..
[17-Aug-2006 14:28:22] <leku> bbl
[17-Aug-2006 14:28:46] <kiddle> so, this doesn't seem to be a good thing
[17-Aug-2006 14:28:47] <kiddle> 2006-08-17 14:06:56 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: There are still 1 devices to query, waiting for them to finish
[17-Aug-2006 14:28:51] <kiddle> 2006-08-17 14:07:56 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Devices status is not clearing. Restarting.
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[17-Aug-2006 14:31:58] <Shazburg> Is it keeping you from doing something, kiddle?
[17-Aug-2006 14:32:41] <kiddle> i'm not sure shazburg, trying to monitor a bsdbox via snmp and peek at some graphs
[17-Aug-2006 14:33:11] <kiddle> but, what does it mean devices not clearing?
[17-Aug-2006 14:35:22] <Shazburg> I couldn't say. It's zenoss terminology (so far as I know), and I'm just getting my head wrapped around all this.
[17-Aug-2006 14:35:43] <Shazburg> Could be that it was having trouble talking with the host.
[17-Aug-2006 14:36:06] <Shazburg> (Just spitballing here. If someone knows, please tell me I'm an idiot and step in)
[17-Aug-2006 14:36:34] <Shazburg> Have you tested SNMP yourself on the remote host?
[17-Aug-2006 14:38:40] <kiddle> yes, i snmpwalked it
[17-Aug-2006 14:39:04] <Shazburg> Well that's out.
[17-Aug-2006 14:40:16] * kiddle is looking thru the code for hints
[17-Aug-2006 14:40:37] * kiddle rolls the dice
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[17-Aug-2006 16:37:32] <socialist> this is getting weird...why would a zope export of zport run at like 12KB/s
[17-Aug-2006 16:37:57] <socialist> I let one run for 20 hours, and it only exported about 180/460MB
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[17-Aug-2006 16:40:19] <creiht> socialist: Are all the zenoss daemons running while you are doing the export?
[17-Aug-2006 16:40:53] <socialist> I've had with and without
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[17-Aug-2006 17:25:17] <socialist> oh my god ldap overlays are not friendly
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[18-Aug-2006 02:05:46] <korozion> hehe, I've been pimping ZenOSS everywhere
[18-Aug-2006 02:11:43] <asyd> \_o<
[18-Aug-2006 02:12:05] <korozion> quack
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[18-Aug-2006 08:27:48] <gravitro1> where does zenoss get it's SMTP server config?
[18-Aug-2006 08:28:04] <asyd> hmm, maybe it just use /usr/sbin/sendmail ?
[18-Aug-2006 08:29:14] <asyd> (not sure though)
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[18-Aug-2006 11:32:51] <korozion> hey all, I get this on ./install http://uuoc.com/1573
[18-Aug-2006 11:32:51] <adytum-bot> Title: Useless Use of Cat (at uuoc.com)
[18-Aug-2006 12:03:19] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Daily Python-URL! (from the Secret Labs) - [Voidspace] Flattening Lists
[18-Aug-2006 12:03:20] -adytum-bot- http://www.pythonware.com/daily/index.htm#115583253694504668
[18-Aug-2006 13:49:26] <socialist> korozion: that link takes me to http://www.w3.org/Protocols
[18-Aug-2006 13:49:26] <adytum-bot> Title: HTTP - Hypertext Transfer Protocol Overview (at www.w3.org)
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[18-Aug-2006 17:51:59] <socialist> ergh, anyone remember that zendmd method call to add a device manually?
[18-Aug-2006 17:52:24] <socialist> like devices.add() or something
[18-Aug-2006 17:52:41] <creiht> try
[18-Aug-2006 17:52:43] <creiht> help()
[18-Aug-2006 17:52:48] <creiht> does it tell you in there?
[18-Aug-2006 17:52:49] <socialist> it's not in the list
[18-Aug-2006 17:52:55] <creiht> try
[18-Aug-2006 17:53:00] <creiht> dir(devices)
[18-Aug-2006 17:53:10] <creiht> Should give you all the availble members, functions
[18-Aug-2006 17:55:00] <creiht> heh
[18-Aug-2006 17:55:09] <creiht> well there are a lot of members of devices
[18-Aug-2006 17:55:30] <socialist> import pprint
[18-Aug-2006 17:58:25] <socialist> cripes I don't remember
[18-Aug-2006 18:02:25] <creiht> Well I found deleteDevice
[18-Aug-2006 18:02:33] <socialist> yeah
[18-Aug-2006 18:02:45] <socialist> it was something sensible but not totally obvious
[18-Aug-2006 18:02:57] <socialist> like "discover" or "scan"
[18-Aug-2006 18:03:03] <socialist> I really can't remember
[18-Aug-2006 18:09:33] <socialist> dmd.DeviceLoader.loadDevice(<IP>)
[18-Aug-2006 18:11:01] <creiht> cool
[18-Aug-2006 18:17:54] <socialist> got a big network where you know the live IPs, and don't want to wait for a 7-hour discovery?
[18-Aug-2006 18:18:19] <socialist> f = open("/path/to/list/of/ips.txt", "r")
[18-Aug-2006 18:18:19] <socialist> for line in f.readlines():
[18-Aug-2006 18:18:19] <socialist> line.rstrip("\n")
[18-Aug-2006 18:18:19] <socialist> dmd.DeviceLoader.loadDevice(line)
[18-Aug-2006 18:23:02] <creiht> Sounds like a good candidate for a wiki entry
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[18-Aug-2006 19:31:09] <socialist> what does "Your information will be treated appropriately." mean exactly?
[18-Aug-2006 19:31:57] <socialist> not quite as reassuring as a privacy statement...
[18-Aug-2006 21:19:07] <socialist> er maybe I'm dumb, but which wiki exacly it writable
[18-Aug-2006 21:19:15] <socialist> s/it/is/
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[21-Aug-2006 04:31:27] <asyd> hello there
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[21-Aug-2006 05:07:35] <tim|mac> lol, nice topic
[21-Aug-2006 05:07:52] <tim|mac> I was wondering, does Zenoss support something like Nagios' Distributed model?
[21-Aug-2006 05:08:17] <tim|mac> so that I can run an instance of Zenoss at my customers and it keeps sending the data back to our central server?
[21-Aug-2006 05:08:56] <tim|mac> so I can have an aggregated view of all my customers at our central server, while our customers only see their own stuff, even when there's no internet connection
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[21-Aug-2006 10:33:36] <rputzler> Why is it that when I log into zenoss as admin the Dashboard is populated, when I log in as a user it is empty?
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[21-Aug-2006 15:34:10] <socialist> I have a web server with several virtual IPs, with apache running on the virtuals, not the main IP
[21-Aug-2006 15:35:05] <socialist> "os" shows that it found "http" IP service on the virtual IPs, which is correct
[21-Aug-2006 15:35:53] <socialist> but I am getting alerts because http is not running on the main IP, despite that IP not even being in the list for the http service
[21-Aug-2006 15:37:48] <edahl> hum that's a bug
[21-Aug-2006 15:38:01] <edahl> we are using the manageIp of the box not the ips from the service list
[21-Aug-2006 15:38:32] <edahl> is there a reason why apache does't listen on all ips?
[21-Aug-2006 15:38:43] <socialist> yep
[21-Aug-2006 15:39:10] <socialist> technically speaking, I could make it listen on the main IP as well, but I'd prefer not to
[21-Aug-2006 15:39:53] <socialist> incidentally, it does not do this for https, though that has the same setup
[21-Aug-2006 15:40:17] <socialist> I take that back, it's not watching https
[21-Aug-2006 15:42:14] <edahl> that's the short term fix I added #274 to track the issue
[21-Aug-2006 15:42:30] <socialist> thanks
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[21-Aug-2006 21:49:13] <socialist> why is it some events clear out after the issue is resolved (like a service becomes available), and other events stick around seemingly permanently even after being fixed ( like a missing OID becomes available)
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[22-Aug-2006 14:00:03] <socialist> I seem to be getting a lot of false positive "smtp down" events, are there any known quirks that might cause this?
[22-Aug-2006 14:01:04] <socialist> and for some reason, the zenoss box thinks its own main IP is down...
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[23-Aug-2006 08:28:37] <alexandre_securs> Hi I'm doing a study for my company to chose a Information Technology diagnostic system and I'm comparing Zenoss with another product, could some one help me?
[23-Aug-2006 08:32:08] <alexandre_securs> Hi someone
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[23-Aug-2006 10:50:24] <creiht> Has anyone used a nagios plugin yet with zenoss?
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[23-Aug-2006 14:11:34] <socialist> Rerun: I seem to be getting a lot of false positive "smtp down" events, are there any known quirks that might cause this?
[23-Aug-2006 14:11:51] <socialist> anyone else getting lots of false smtp down events?
[23-Aug-2006 14:26:37] <zaf> i haven't gotten false ones
[23-Aug-2006 14:36:11] <socialist> hm
[23-Aug-2006 14:37:34] <socialist> I think we need service flap control
[23-Aug-2006 14:53:37] <creiht> socialist: I have noticed that sometimes events will come in sometimes and hang around instead of moving to history when the service comes back up
[23-Aug-2006 14:54:03] <creiht> The services that are down, check the lastTime field in the events view to see if the event is just hanging around
[23-Aug-2006 14:54:27] <socialist> yeah, I did
[23-Aug-2006 14:54:44] <socialist> it's possible that the events are "real" but inaccurate
[23-Aug-2006 14:54:53] <creiht> hmmm
[23-Aug-2006 14:54:57] <creiht> That is odd
[23-Aug-2006 14:55:08] <socialist> I'm trying to get corroborating evidence
[23-Aug-2006 14:56:04] <socialist> to see if the service is really bouncing or if zenoss just thinks it is
[23-Aug-2006 14:56:39] <creiht> have you tried telneting to port 25 from your poller box?
[23-Aug-2006 14:56:42] <socialist> yup
[23-Aug-2006 14:56:50] <socialist> all manual tests have worked fine
[23-Aug-2006 14:57:24] <socialist> we'll see...these are not critical services, so I've just disable monitoring for the moment
[23-Aug-2006 15:43:15] <socialist> hm it would be really nice to see the OID of a process/disk/etc in the associated status tab
[23-Aug-2006 16:06:23] <socialist> this is getting a bit frustrating... I have events that show up, then never go away, so I clear all the events out of mysql. Most if not all of the "stale" events go away, but instead almost _all_ my devices suddenly show up as unpingable and I get a flood of 300 events
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[23-Aug-2006 17:37:41] <socialist> what in the hell
[23-Aug-2006 17:37:54] <socialist> all my manage IPs suddenly have a newline in them
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[23-Aug-2006 23:45:57] <duffyd> hello again all (those who I know anyway, i.e. giesen ;-)
[23-Aug-2006 23:46:10] <duffyd> just had a question regarding setting up the email alerts in zenoss
[23-Aug-2006 23:46:58] <duffyd> I've just run a test on my zenoss server (0.22.1) by turning off a monitored service on my SBS 2K3 server and it has shown in zenoss as an critical event
[23-Aug-2006 23:47:58] <duffyd> but I'm not getting any emails even though I've setup a email alert under my settings and 'alerting rules'
[23-Aug-2006 23:48:30] <duffyd> the alert I've setup will email me if there is any event <= Debug
[23-Aug-2006 23:48:44] <duffyd> sorry I mean >= Debug
[23-Aug-2006 23:49:32] <duffyd> I've checked the permissions on the MailHost and enabled all the perms for each role on the zope server
[23-Aug-2006 23:50:04] <duffyd> Do I need to setup the devices I manage under 'Administered Objects'
[24-Aug-2006 00:00:32] <duffyd> actually just found some errors in the zenactions.log (connection refused errors)
[24-Aug-2006 00:16:17] <duffyd> just realised that when the smtplib.py is trying to send an email it can't access the smtp server, how can I tell zenactions.py where to find its smtp server?
[24-Aug-2006 00:16:27] <duffyd> tried the mailhost in zope but no dice
[24-Aug-2006 00:20:31] <duffyd> just did some more digging and it appears it passes, 'self.options.smtphost' to the smtplib but wondering where it gets this from
[24-Aug-2006 00:25:03] <duffyd> I'm guessing it acquires this from the root of zope but doesn't seem to be working :-(
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[24-Aug-2006 00:44:00] <duffyd> btw if I run python2.4 manually and do an import smtplib and then a 'server = smtplib.SMTP('mysmtpserver', 'mysmtpport') it works fine - *shrug*
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[24-Aug-2006 10:26:54] <jjthomas> Does anyone mind taking a couple of small questions from a semi-n00b?
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[24-Aug-2006 10:32:27] <creiht> jjthomas: What questions do you have?
[24-Aug-2006 10:33:31] <jjthomas> One question concerns the system variable settings and how to make them "permanent." I essentially want Zenoss to run at startup on my Ubuntu Server install, and the problem I see is that I have not made the variable settings permanent.
[24-Aug-2006 10:35:25] <creiht> jjthomas: Which variable settings are you talking about?
[24-Aug-2006 10:35:53] <creiht> If you are talking about device information, that is stored in the zope database, and shouldn't be loss
[24-Aug-2006 10:36:26] <jjthomas> creiht: export ZENHOME=/usr/local/zenoss
[24-Aug-2006 10:36:26] <jjthomas> export PYTHONPATH=$ZENHOME/lib/python
[24-Aug-2006 10:36:26] <jjthomas> export PATH=$ZENHOME/bin:$PATH
[24-Aug-2006 10:36:35] <creiht> oh
[24-Aug-2006 10:36:45] <creiht> You can set those in your profile
[24-Aug-2006 10:36:58] <creiht> .profile in home
[24-Aug-2006 10:37:06] <jjthomas> OK.
[24-Aug-2006 10:37:14] <creiht> or to do it globally for all users on the system
[24-Aug-2006 10:37:32] <jjthomas> That's what I thought. It seemed everytime I did that it just would not work.
[24-Aug-2006 10:37:35] <creiht> looking up the the filename....
[24-Aug-2006 10:38:38] <creiht> Actually I have it in my .bashrc
[24-Aug-2006 10:38:59] <jjthomas> So, in my case, I would want to put it in root's .bashrc?
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:09] <creiht> yes
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:18] <creiht> If you are starting as root at startup
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:30] <jjthomas> Do you mind pasting in the area of your .bashrc file where these are set?
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:42] <creiht> export ZENHOME=/opt/zenoss
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:42] <creiht> export PYTHONPATH=$ZENHOME/lib/python
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:42] <creiht> export PATH=$ZENHOME/bin:$PATH
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:50] <jjthomas> At the end of the file?
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:53] <creiht> Of course I installed in a bit different area
[24-Aug-2006 10:39:54] <creiht> yes
[24-Aug-2006 10:40:46] <gumpa> install.sh question - I am always asked 'Do you want me to migrate your database to the new version? (y/n)
[24-Aug-2006 10:40:57] <gumpa> what should I answer?
[24-Aug-2006 10:41:18] <creiht> gumpa: Do you already have an installation of Zenoss?
[24-Aug-2006 10:41:22] <gumpa> yes
[24-Aug-2006 10:41:35] <creiht> gumpa: Do you want to keep all of your old configuration information?
[24-Aug-2006 10:41:42] <gumpa> might as well
[24-Aug-2006 10:42:06] <gumpa> 'y' restores defaults?
[24-Aug-2006 10:42:37] <creiht> y will migrate all your current device information
[24-Aug-2006 10:42:43] <creiht> otherwise n will install a clean setup
[24-Aug-2006 10:42:58] <gumpa> ah, so 'n' is for after I've borked it mucking about
[24-Aug-2006 10:43:17] <creiht> hehe
[24-Aug-2006 10:43:23] <gumpa> handy
[24-Aug-2006 10:43:24] <creiht> That is one way to do it
[24-Aug-2006 10:43:55] <gumpa> I suggest adding that zenwin is XP, 2003 only to the FAQ and README
[24-Aug-2006 10:44:33] <creiht> gumpa: I would post a ticket on zenoss.org
[24-Aug-2006 10:44:40] <gumpa> ok
[24-Aug-2006 10:44:53] <gumpa> thx
[24-Aug-2006 10:57:13] <jjthomas> creiht: Adding those variables appeared to stick, now my other question involves making sure zenoss always runs. The admin guide suggests doing the following: ln -s $ZENHOME/bin/zenoss /etc/rc.d/init.d. For my Ubuntu install, I added this symlink to /etc/rc5.d.
[24-Aug-2006 10:59:57] <creiht> jjthomas: I'm not familiar enough with ubuntu to know where it should go
[24-Aug-2006 11:00:19] <creiht> But I did what the admin guide suggests on Redhat and it works for me
[24-Aug-2006 11:00:21] <jjthomas> creiht: I will have to poke around at it a bit more.
[24-Aug-2006 11:00:55] <jjthomas> creiht: I am trying to recall where I found the information for where I placed the symlink. Darn googling like a madman 2 days ago. ;-)
[24-Aug-2006 11:01:33] <creiht> I run ubuntu at home on my desktop, but not here at work
[24-Aug-2006 11:03:52] <creiht> jjthomas: Do you have an /etc/init.d directory?
[24-Aug-2006 11:04:03] <jjthomas> creiht: It's been an experiment of mine. I have been flirting with different Linux flavors on an old desktop of mine. I essentially want to get some system monitoring to look at some things from the variety of devices I have at the SMB I work for.
[24-Aug-2006 11:04:16] <jjthomas> Yes.
[24-Aug-2006 11:04:22] <creiht> jjthomas: Try in there
[24-Aug-2006 11:04:32] <jjthomas> Create the symlink there?
[24-Aug-2006 11:04:35] <creiht> yes
[24-Aug-2006 11:05:06] <creiht> oh wait
[24-Aug-2006 11:05:07] <creiht> ok
[24-Aug-2006 11:05:09] <creiht> hmm
[24-Aug-2006 11:05:16] <jjthomas> creiht: I have it there already. I wonder if I have to pass it the start argument.
[24-Aug-2006 11:06:06] <creiht> If you are manually running it then you have to pass it start, otherwise the system should do it automatically on start up
[24-Aug-2006 11:06:28] <creiht> oh
[24-Aug-2006 11:06:39] <creiht> Apparently you have to do something like this
[24-Aug-2006 11:07:03] <creiht> sudo update-rc.d /etc/init.d/zenoss start 51 S .
[24-Aug-2006 11:07:33] <creiht> (taken from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto)
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[24-Aug-2006 11:08:04] <jjthomas> Ahhhh.
[24-Aug-2006 11:18:25] <jjthomas> chreiht: Looks like the right way. I just need to get my syntax right.
[24-Aug-2006 11:18:51] <creiht> jjthomas: cool
[24-Aug-2006 11:27:14] <jjthomas> creiht: Restarting now, so let's see if this puppy works. ;-)
[24-Aug-2006 11:34:21] <creiht> crosses fingers
[24-Aug-2006 11:35:32] <jjthomas> creiht: No dice, but I am looking at something else. Crossing everything else but fingers.
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[24-Aug-2006 16:16:04] <giesen> muahahaha I got my zenoss shirt today
[24-Aug-2006 16:16:10] <giesen> and parchment with signatures
[24-Aug-2006 16:16:29] * giesen tucks it away in case they become rich and famous some day
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[25-Aug-2006 13:45:57] <joaochaves> Hi, I just installed zenoss-0.22.1 without problem, but I get Site Error in Zope
[25-Aug-2006 13:46:21] <joaochaves> Any idea?
[25-Aug-2006 13:46:35] <korozion> can you be a little more vague?
[25-Aug-2006 13:48:07] <joaochaves> I can't access http://127.0.0.1:8080/zport/dmd
[25-Aug-2006 13:48:29] <korozion> Did zope start?
[25-Aug-2006 13:49:33] <joaochaves> Yes, can acess ZMI
[25-Aug-2006 13:49:49] <korozion> hmm
[25-Aug-2006 13:51:00] <joaochaves> The zope error is "Site error Resource not found"
[25-Aug-2006 13:52:17] <joaochaves> I can't see any folder in the Zope root. Is it OK?
[25-Aug-2006 13:52:46] <korozion> I don't think so
[25-Aug-2006 13:53:38] <joaochaves> The installation process was OK and all services started OK.
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[25-Aug-2006 16:16:17] <dakotadogg> can someone help me with the install..
[25-Aug-2006 16:16:30] <dakotadogg> it keeps on looking for the zLib
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[27-Aug-2006 22:18:46] <Spydre13> Hello, does anyone have a minute to help me with a couple questions?
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[28-Aug-2006 02:20:07] <joel> sup guys
[28-Aug-2006 02:20:11] <joel> need some help
[28-Aug-2006 02:20:17] <joel> regarding my zenoss installation
[28-Aug-2006 02:20:18] <joel> T__T
[28-Aug-2006 02:20:32] <joel> any1 here willing to help?
[28-Aug-2006 02:20:48] <joel> join #mapua
[28-Aug-2006 02:21:07] <joel> guys
[28-Aug-2006 02:21:17] <joel> i cant find zenperfxmlrpc
[28-Aug-2006 02:21:23] <joel> T_T
[28-Aug-2006 02:21:30] <joel> im stuck on my installation
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[28-Aug-2006 16:45:51] <kiddle> can anyone recommend a win32 text-editor that can edit files over (s)ftp ?
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[28-Aug-2006 20:38:58] <Spydre13> can anyone in here answer a couple questions about zenoss?
[28-Aug-2006 20:41:08] <kiddle> just ask, i'm sure someone will chime in
[28-Aug-2006 20:41:12] <kiddle> eventually
[28-Aug-2006 21:09:56] <Spydre13> I was wondering how the -1 severity works
[28-Aug-2006 21:10:26] <Spydre13> specifically for the ping status monitor
[28-Aug-2006 21:13:13] <Spydre13> and also how the zPingInterfaceName property works....for example I typed "Dialer1" in the box for a router which I would like the Dialer1 interface to be pinged on...but it doesn't seem to ping the Dialer1 interface's IP
[28-Aug-2006 21:43:19] <Spydre13> Also I would just like to say that I am using the VMWare appliance...I am going to try to update it to the 0.22.1 but it looks like I need to install some dependencies first
[28-Aug-2006 22:19:48] <Spydre13> Anyone know what the mysql password is for Zenoss events database for the VMWare appliance?
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[29-Aug-2006 03:24:39] <david32> Hi All
[29-Aug-2006 03:25:03] <david32> I've got some questions about Zenoss if any body is here
[29-Aug-2006 03:48:06] <david32> hi
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[29-Aug-2006 11:04:20] <junix|work> is there going to be a package available for ubuntu/debian???
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[29-Aug-2006 11:40:31] <Spla4t1> Quick question. After playing with the vmware image I cant seem to get into the system as root. Whats the root password?
[29-Aug-2006 12:05:30] <Spla4t1> Any Idea's
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[29-Aug-2006 12:25:00] <Spla4t1> Whats the root password on the vmware appliance? Didnt see it anywhere in documentation.
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[29-Aug-2006 13:05:55] <junix|work> no password?
[29-Aug-2006 13:10:15] <gumpa> Spla4t1: I don't know root password, user zenoss seems to be able to sudo without a password
[29-Aug-2006 13:12:42] <Spla4t1> I got it working using the sudo..
[29-Aug-2006 13:32:47] <dosle> does anyone here have experience with zenwin0.22.1 ?
[29-Aug-2006 14:12:20] <Spla4t1> dos1e: I just ran into a bunch of errors on zenwin. I think im going to look at groundwork/nagios package instead.
[29-Aug-2006 14:31:21] <dosle> I was looking at that myself last week, didn't delve too deep.
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[29-Aug-2006 15:29:27] <socialist> what happens to syslog messages after zensyslog receives them?
[29-Aug-2006 15:29:45] <socialist> do they get writtn to files or passed on to the real syslog?
[29-Aug-2006 15:30:19] <ecn> they are processed by zenoss' event system and stored in the status/history mysql tables
[29-Aug-2006 15:30:25] <ecn> not put to real syslog
[29-Aug-2006 15:44:26] <socialist> that is problematic
[29-Aug-2006 15:44:41] <ecn> it can probably be fixed, too.
[29-Aug-2006 15:44:49] <socialist> I just did
[29-Aug-2006 15:44:51] <socialist> sorat
[29-Aug-2006 15:44:54] <socialist> sorta*
[29-Aug-2006 15:45:13] <socialist> bound to 127.0.0.1 and piped syslog from syslog-ng
[29-Aug-2006 15:46:10] <ecn> you can change the syslog port by changing line 37 of zensyslog.py
[29-Aug-2006 15:47:00] <socialist> I thought about that, but I figured since I was passing eveything through syslog-ng anyway, might as well not have it listen to the network
[29-Aug-2006 15:48:13] <creiht> ecn: You guys need to make that a configuration variable
[29-Aug-2006 15:48:33] <creiht> Every time I upgrade I have to change that line
[29-Aug-2006 15:48:50] <ecn> I have pointed you to the tracker, right?
[29-Aug-2006 15:48:55] <creiht> yes
[29-Aug-2006 15:48:57] <ecn> 8-)
[29-Aug-2006 15:49:03] <creiht> Just a friendly reminder
[29-Aug-2006 15:49:38] <ecn> my email also works for a reminder list: ecn at swcomplete doter-commer (or zenoss doter-commer)
[29-Aug-2006 15:49:42] <creiht> btw... Had a good visit with Erik and Steve
[29-Aug-2006 15:49:53] <ecn> heh
[29-Aug-2006 15:50:01] <socialist> hey ecn, while you're here: is there a public wiki somewhere, or is the trac wiki for devs only?
[29-Aug-2006 15:50:20] <ecn> stupid spammers attack as soon as we open it up
[29-Aug-2006 15:50:33] <ecn> send erik a note to get access
[29-Aug-2006 15:50:45] <socialist> grr
[29-Aug-2006 15:51:12] <socialist> I was pretty impressed at how fast spam-slime figured out how to auto-post on trac
[29-Aug-2006 16:00:12] <ecn> syslog now supports --syslogport and syslogport option in it's config file
[29-Aug-2006 16:00:26] <ecn> it might even work ;-)
[29-Aug-2006 16:08:26] <junix|work> no password?
[29-Aug-2006 16:08:27] <junix|work> is there going to be a package available for ubuntu/debian???
[29-Aug-2006 16:09:10] <ecn> it would be great if someone could contribute a debian pkg ... it isn't on the list now (nor are .rpms)
[29-Aug-2006 16:09:42] <junix|work> is there a easier way to isntall this...it seems a lot like big brother which is a kludge already
[29-Aug-2006 16:10:06] <ecn> the VMWare image is pretty easy to run
[29-Aug-2006 16:10:46] <junix|work> is it linux?
[29-Aug-2006 16:10:55] <socialist> yep
[29-Aug-2006 16:10:56] <junix|work> duh
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:01] <junix|work> umm...what distro?
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:08] <socialist> fc4 I think
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:11] <junix|work> ugh
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:13] <ecn> FC5
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:17] <socialist> what he said
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:31] <ecn> patches welcome
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:45] <junix|work> well maybe when i get home, one of you guys can help me set this up....i'm a little confused...
[29-Aug-2006 16:11:45] <junix|work> ?
[29-Aug-2006 16:12:10] <socialist> if someone is here, I'm sure they'd help
[29-Aug-2006 16:12:50] <ecn> I won't be around tonight, maybe wed/thu
[29-Aug-2006 16:29:25] <junix|work> k
[29-Aug-2006 16:47:06] <junix|work> thanks
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[29-Aug-2006 19:01:56] <duffyd> hello again. I am experiencing a regular 30 min email from zenagios with a 'heartbeat failure' message. I have searched the Net but can't find a resolution for it. Anyone know how to fix this?
[29-Aug-2006 19:17:49] <socialist> duffyd: mine is doing the same thing
[29-Aug-2006 19:18:16] <socialist> I've been ignoring it
[29-Aug-2006 19:18:33] <duffyd> are you using version 0.22.1?
[29-Aug-2006 19:41:56] <duffyd> if it's that hard I'll just disable zenagios :-)
[29-Aug-2006 20:04:07] <socialist> yes 0.22.1
[29-Aug-2006 20:04:12] <duffyd> cool, ta
[29-Aug-2006 20:07:34] <duffyd> I'll just filter out that message :-)
[29-Aug-2006 20:07:36] <duffyd> that'll do it
[29-Aug-2006 20:08:21] <socialist> yeah that's what I did
[29-Aug-2006 20:08:35] <duffyd> cool. 'Great minds think alike' ;-)
[29-Aug-2006 20:08:36] <socialist> it will be fixed soon enough
[29-Aug-2006 20:08:40] <socialist> hehe
[29-Aug-2006 20:08:40] <duffyd> true
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[30-Aug-2006 12:29:37] <korozion> wow the website sure changed!
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[30-Aug-2006 15:56:35] <kanzen> hello. I'm looking to implement a NMS for a 20 node network that we expect to expand to several hundred nodes (probably remain <1000 nodes). I was going to go with OpenNMS, but have been reading a bit about zenoss. can anyone provide me with a link that has an objective comparison with other NMS products?
[30-Aug-2006 15:58:55] <creiht> kanzen: I'm not sure if they have a comparison chart anywhere, but if you have any questions about how it compares with OpenNMS, I can do my best to answer any of your questions
[30-Aug-2006 16:00:26] <kanzen> creiht, I'd appreciate that. Is zenoss more geared towards monitoring, management or does it do both equally well?
[30-Aug-2006 16:01:05] <creiht> kanzen: Define what you mean by management... as that can mean several different things
[30-Aug-2006 16:01:11] <creiht> As for my general impression
[30-Aug-2006 16:01:37] <creiht> OpenNMS scales very well, and as monitoring goes it gets the job done
[30-Aug-2006 16:01:45] <creiht> but
[30-Aug-2006 16:01:55] <creiht> OpenNMS is a pain to install, configure, and maintain
[30-Aug-2006 16:03:03] <creiht> To be fair to OpenNMS they are currently working on some of these issues, but it still may be a while before ease of use is anywhere near what is available from Zenoss
[30-Aug-2006 16:03:12] <kanzen> I mean management in the sense of policy configurations/reactive configuration changes (not so much provisioning... although that would be nice too), integration with CRM/ticketing systems (e.g. opening up tickets in third party systems)
[30-Aug-2006 16:04:11] <kanzen> right now my number one reason (but not only) for hesitating with openNMS is the javaness
[30-Aug-2006 16:04:48] <kanzen> I don't really have anything against java, however it does not seem like the best choice for a opensource product geared towards system/network admins
[30-Aug-2006 16:05:08] <kanzen> I know of a lot more SAs familiar with python than java
[30-Aug-2006 16:05:36] <creiht> Well hopefully you don't have to digg into the code too much of either
[30-Aug-2006 16:05:45] <creiht> OpenNMS exposes pieces through XMLRPC
[30-Aug-2006 16:05:54] <creiht> But it is a bit patchwork
[30-Aug-2006 16:06:27] <creiht> I haven't integrated anything with Zenoss yet, but with their usage of Zope, pretty much anything can be easily exposed through XMLRPC
[30-Aug-2006 16:08:41] <kanzen> what has me hesitating with zenoss is the maturity. While it impressive to see so many milestone releases since the product launch, it is not ideal for a production shop
[30-Aug-2006 16:09:08] <creiht> So far I have been pretty impressed
[30-Aug-2006 16:09:09] <kanzen> how easy is it upgrade between releases? are they required?
[30-Aug-2006 16:09:21] <creiht> I have been using since version .19
[30-Aug-2006 16:09:36] <creiht> I currently monitor about 50 devices
[30-Aug-2006 16:09:57] <creiht> Every upgrade so far has been very smooth
[30-Aug-2006 16:10:06] <creiht> Basically you run the install script
[30-Aug-2006 16:10:31] <creiht> It detects that you have an older version, asks you if you want to upgrade, and automatically migrates everything
[30-Aug-2006 16:12:00] <kanzen> I've read a couple of comments regarding zenoss's lack of flexibility, however the documentation seems to indication that is just as, if not more flexible than other products. Am I just misunderstanding what I'm reading?
[30-Aug-2006 16:12:33] <creiht> For me it has been very flexible... Where did you read those comments?
[30-Aug-2006 16:13:31] <kanzen> while googling for comparisons, I can try to find them again if you're interested.
[30-Aug-2006 16:13:36] <creiht> kanzen: The best thing I would recommend is to download the VMWare demo and try it out
[30-Aug-2006 16:14:26] <creiht> I have used both, and currently Zenoss has been much more flexible for me
[30-Aug-2006 16:14:50] <creiht> Though I have to admit that I am much more a Python programmer than a Java programmer
[30-Aug-2006 16:15:07] <creiht> The OpenNMS guys are also good guys... I don't in any way want to nock them
[30-Aug-2006 16:15:37] <kanzen> going to do an install on a debain box later today
[30-Aug-2006 16:16:09] <kanzen> yes, both projects seem to be contributing a lot
[30-Aug-2006 16:17:50] <creiht> Some things that you will notice right off the bat
[30-Aug-2006 16:18:06] <creiht> With OpenNMS a lot of the configuration has to be done through XML files
[30-Aug-2006 16:18:31] <creiht> and if you change the configuration, you have to restart OpenNMS
[30-Aug-2006 16:18:52] <creiht> Almost all configuration for Zenoss is done through the web UI
[30-Aug-2006 16:18:58] <kanzen> unforetunately I don't have a lot of time to evaluate the current oss offerings, so I'm trying to narrow things down a bit. So far I think I'm going to look at Zenoss and OpenNMS for NMSish stuff.
[30-Aug-2006 16:19:26] <creiht> Right now they seem to be both positioning themselves as the big players
[30-Aug-2006 16:19:33] <kanzen> yes, the config file thing is a major issue for. it does not scale.
[30-Aug-2006 16:20:44] <creiht> The things that are in OpenNMS favor right now (In my opinion):
[30-Aug-2006 16:21:06] <creiht> 1. More mature service availability monitoring (Though that is coming very soon to ZenOSS)
[30-Aug-2006 16:22:32] <creiht> 2. A bit more scalable... Though in your case it wouldn't matter as I'm talking about when you want to start monitoring 50K+ devices
[30-Aug-2006 16:23:31] <creiht> Another thing that is very welcome with Zenoss is that it monitors it-self
[30-Aug-2006 16:23:52] <creiht> So for example if a piece isn't working correctly, it will create an alert letting you know
[30-Aug-2006 16:24:00] <creiht> OpenNMS doesn't have anything like this
[30-Aug-2006 16:24:01] <kanzen> how about MoM type stuff... does Zenoss have any sort of distributed monitoring?
[30-Aug-2006 16:24:06] <creiht> Not yet
[30-Aug-2006 16:24:14] <creiht> OpenNMS doesn't yet either
[30-Aug-2006 16:25:32] <kanzen> I don't know of any f/oss NMS that does. well... nagios, but it seems more like NMS-lite
[30-Aug-2006 16:27:44] <kanzen> how about provisioning integration? Any comments there?
[30-Aug-2006 16:28:08] <creiht> Yeah I would steer clear of nagios
[30-Aug-2006 16:28:21] <creiht> What exactly do you mean by provisioning integration?
[30-Aug-2006 16:28:43] <creiht> You have an outside system that needs to tell the monitoring system that a new machine needs to be monitored?
[30-Aug-2006 16:28:59] <kanzen> how well does it integrate with third party provisioning systems...
[30-Aug-2006 16:29:08] <creiht> ahhh
[30-Aug-2006 16:29:16] <kanzen> yeah or tell the NMS that a machine is going down for maintenance, etc...
[30-Aug-2006 16:29:18] <creiht> I can't say as I have not done anything like that
[30-Aug-2006 16:29:43] <creiht> That functionality can/is available through xmlrpc
[30-Aug-2006 16:29:55] <creiht> And they have a mechanism for having maintenance windows
[30-Aug-2006 16:30:10] <creiht> So that you do not get alerts in the middle of the maintenance window
[30-Aug-2006 16:32:06] <kanzen> one of the features that I really liked about Spectrum was its out of the box ability to understand that if a node goes down, it doesn't have to try to tell us that every box behind said node is also down
[30-Aug-2006 16:32:26] <creiht> kanzen: I think Zenoss is supposed to do that
[30-Aug-2006 16:32:29] <creiht> For example
[30-Aug-2006 16:32:34] <creiht> If a router goes down
[30-Aug-2006 16:32:47] <creiht> Anything behind that router doesn't show alerts
[30-Aug-2006 16:33:17] <creiht> I currently only monitor a bunch of servers, and no network hardware, so I'm not completely sure how that works
[30-Aug-2006 16:35:04] <kanzen> do you know if there is any planned integration/overlap with ossim? (haven't used opensim or ossim yet, but they seem like rather interesting products)
[30-Aug-2006 16:35:23] <creiht> I'm not familiar with ossim... what is that?
[30-Aug-2006 16:36:07] <creiht> Ahhh... google is your friend
[30-Aug-2006 16:36:15] <kanzen> familiar with opensim? aggretation portals for monitoring stuff
[30-Aug-2006 16:36:16] <creiht> Hmmm... I'm not completely sure
[30-Aug-2006 16:36:28] <kanzen> heh... sorry, ircing between events
[30-Aug-2006 16:36:42] <creiht> That would be a better question for Edahl (The lead developer)
[30-Aug-2006 16:37:17] <creiht> I do know that they have a lot of stuff planned on the pipeline, and that things that are requested more get bumped up sonner
[30-Aug-2006 16:37:19] <creiht> err sooner
[30-Aug-2006 16:37:37] <creiht> For example we had asked them about IPv6
[30-Aug-2006 16:37:57] <creiht> It's on their roadmap, but nobody has requested IPv6 yet
[30-Aug-2006 16:38:05] <creiht> So it hasn't been a major priority yet
[30-Aug-2006 16:38:20] <kanzen> heh... funny you say that. I'm most impressed with what they have on their roadmap.
[30-Aug-2006 16:38:59] <kanzen> it seems like they will make products like opensim/ossim redundant on future zenoss managed networks
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[30-Aug-2006 16:42:42] <kanzen> just out of curiosity... what OS are you running zenoss on?
[30-Aug-2006 16:42:53] <creiht> Redhat ES3
[30-Aug-2006 16:43:01] <creiht> I did initial testing on Ubuntu
[30-Aug-2006 16:43:39] <ecn> FC5 and occasionally FreeBSD (eew), CentOS, MacOS
[30-Aug-2006 16:43:53] <kanzen> I'll be dropping it on debian most likely. noticed there was install guides for it which was nice
[30-Aug-2006 16:44:02] <kanzen> not a FreeBSD fan, eh?
[30-Aug-2006 16:44:09] <creiht> ecn: What's wrong with FreeBSD?
[30-Aug-2006 16:44:32] <ecn> I've become all cranky in my old age... pay no attention
[30-Aug-2006 16:44:46] <creiht> heh
[30-Aug-2006 16:45:00] <ecn> csh, for one
[30-Aug-2006 16:45:05] <creiht> kanzen: ecn is a Zenoss dev, so he can probably answer some of the question I was unable to
[30-Aug-2006 16:45:23] <ecn> ps -elf isn't accomodated (though, I hardly ever type that anymore)
[30-Aug-2006 16:45:25] <creiht> ecn: Well that is a pretty quick fix
[30-Aug-2006 16:45:27] <kanzen> cut my teeth on BSD. overall, I preferred it to linux, however it was no longer able to suit my needs/expectations so I made the switch to linux
[30-Aug-2006 16:46:04] <creiht> Yeah the ps thing is annoying, but you also have the same problem on OS X
[30-Aug-2006 16:46:23] <ecn> well, "we" meant the other Erik
[30-Aug-2006 16:47:17] <creiht> trying to find your reference to "we".....
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[30-Aug-2006 16:47:49] <kanzen> ecn: this question is more for my curiosity than anything else, noticed you guys are using both mysql and zodb. What was mysql able to do better than zodb for the product?
[30-Aug-2006 16:47:50] <ecn> as in "we use... "
[30-Aug-2006 16:47:54] <creiht> oh
[30-Aug-2006 16:47:55] <creiht> hehe
[30-Aug-2006 16:48:07] <ecn> zodb isn't good for lots of updates
[30-Aug-2006 16:48:16] <ecn> as in.. we have customers with 20K events a day
[30-Aug-2006 16:48:22] <kanzen> gotchya
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[30-Aug-2006 16:48:43] <kanzen> heh.. durr. that should have been obvious.
[30-Aug-2006 16:53:03] <kanzen> ecn: how does the event notification work? is there any bultin support for helpdesk/ticketing integration?
[30-Aug-2006 16:55:03] <ecn> heh... that needs to go into the FAQ
[30-Aug-2006 16:55:19] <ecn> under users... you can create filters that can be sent out as pages/email
[30-Aug-2006 16:55:39] <ecn> no, there's no direct helpdesk/ticketing support Right Now
[30-Aug-2006 16:55:42] <ecn> but it's on the list
[30-Aug-2006 16:57:37] <creiht> I'm starting to think that is your standard answer for every thing
[30-Aug-2006 16:57:37] <kanzen> I've got to run for now, but thank you both for being so helpful. I'm sure you'll see more of me in future as I evaluate zenoss.
[30-Aug-2006 16:57:45] <creiht> It currently doesn't do that
[30-Aug-2006 16:57:50] <creiht> But it is on a list somewhere
[30-Aug-2006 16:57:52] <creiht>
[30-Aug-2006 16:57:59] <kanzen> heh.
[30-Aug-2006 16:58:01] <kanzen> later guys
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[30-Aug-2006 19:55:17] <httped> this software rocks!
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[31-Aug-2006 18:59:57] <phobosd> ahoy!
[31-Aug-2006 19:00:24] <phobosd> so PEEP this out!
[31-Aug-2006 19:00:25] <phobosd> building '_mysql' extension
[31-Aug-2006 19:00:25] <phobosd> creating build/temp.linux-i686-2.3
[31-Aug-2006 19:00:25] <phobosd> gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fPIC -I/usr/include/mysql -I/usr/local/include/python2.3 -c _mysql.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-2.3/_mysql.o -I/usr/include/mysql -g -pipe -m32 -march=i386 -mtune=pentium4
[31-Aug-2006 19:00:30] <phobosd> cc1: invalid option `tune=pentium4'
[31-Aug-2006 19:00:32] <phobosd> error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
[31-Aug-2006 19:00:35] <phobosd> <3
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[31-Aug-2006 22:45:55] <chipach> anyone around?
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